| 00:00.13 | alesan | themill, I said I need to run an ARMEL binary as primary application. It would not work with ARMHF libraries |
| 00:00.37 | alesan | and in any case, there are some flags that even on ARMHF would help my specific CPU |
| 00:01.12 | alesan | unrelated to the FPU usage: instruction scheduling etc |
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| 00:08.35 | peterrooney | alesan: you'd probably have to do some extremely smart patching of various debian/rules files, but it's not impossible - keeping up-to-date might be interesting. I'm curious about which packages. |
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| 00:10.03 | uiopqwer | my new laptop has no ethernet port, and the wireless card is atheros. :'( it seems the best i can do is compile madwifi from source. is there no other way to get wireless working? |
| 00:11.06 | peterrooney | alesan: a quick check on things led to apt-build |
| 00:11.13 | peterrooney | ,package apt-build |
| 00:11.36 | brokencycle | the rescue mode of the installer cd gets it right, however |
| 00:12.41 | peterrooney | ,apt-build |
| 00:13.16 | asturel | how do i remove the x% free space reversation on root partition? it was some tune2fs or mtune or something |
| 00:13.58 | asturel | ah sudo tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1 |
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| 00:14.58 | peterrooney | alesan: apt-build: "This is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimized for your architecture by creating a local repository with built packages. It can manage system upgrades too." |
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| 00:16.28 | brokencycle | i would like to bypass the partitioner, and just set up grub. any idea, please? |
| 00:17.20 | brokencycle | i mean, in rescue mode |
| 00:18.01 | peterrooney | msg dpkg listkeys grub |
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| 00:18.55 | peterrooney | dpkg: fixgrub |
| 00:18.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 00:19.35 | brokencycle | dpkg: thanks, sounds useful |
| 00:19.35 | dpkg | bitte, brokencycle |
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| 00:25.29 | Aartsie | Hi all, i'm trying to compile node.js on my Debian server but when i do make i got the message : make: command not found, what do i wrong ? |
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| 00:29.41 | brokencycle | ok. how can i disable the boot flag on a partition w/o touching the rest of the content> |
| 00:29.44 | gnarface | Aartsie: you are assuming make was installed by default (nothing in debian is installed by default) |
| 00:29.44 | brokencycle | ? |
| 00:29.45 | brokencycle | please? |
| 00:29.55 | Coweater | Aartsie: simple solution is probably to install the metapackage build-essential |
| 00:30.03 | gnarface | brokencycle: with pretty much any disk partitioning tool |
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| 00:30.20 | Aartsie | i don't got any errors only this one :( |
| 00:30.39 | brokencycle | gnarface: so they won't overwrite aything... let's see |
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| 00:32.04 | Aartsie | Hmm i thought make was installed by default |
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| 00:32.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aartsie -about b-e |
| 00:32.33 | gnarface | Aartsie: did you verify that assumption? did you even READ the message you pasted to us? |
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| 00:33.10 | gnarface | Aartsie: is your comprehension of english very bad? the message you pasted us is about the most self-explanatory message in the history of error messages. |
| 00:33.20 | babilen | heh |
| 00:33.37 | alesan | peterrooney, oh OK thanks. Well so far I have recompiled several packages by hand with apt-source etc and it was enough to set CFLAGS to the right values and everything was quite smooth |
| 00:33.44 | asciiker | hello, I need some grep help, I need to get just the email address from this result: /var/log/kloxo/maillog-6:Oct 5 20:47:25 SERVER qmail: 1349462845.947189 delivery 661940: failure: User_and_password_not_set,_continuing_with out_authentication./208.47.185.21_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_550_5.1.1_Recipient_sbuchanan@insightbb.com_does_not_exist_here/ Giving_up_on_208.47.185.21./ |
| 00:34.16 | asciiker | which would be sbuchanan@insightbb.com |
| 00:34.22 | Aartsie | i have always used ubuntu, this is my first debian installation |
| 00:34.34 | alesan | so far packages have been all the alsa stuff, gstreamer, anything related to video and audio, Qt, but every single day we discover a new one that can improve dramatically |
| 00:34.37 | Aartsie | i thought that make was a default linux function |
| 00:34.44 | alesan | that is why we wanted to recompile "everything" :) |
| 00:34.49 | brokencycle | gnarface: not quite: the disk was set up quite nicely, but now i get: 'cfdisk /dev/sdc'-> "fatal error: bad primary partition 2: partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 00:35.00 | brokencycle | but i booted from that stack before (though different machine) |
| 00:35.20 | brokencycle | how can i do this from the installer env, please? |
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| 00:36.13 | gnarface | brokencycle: sounds like your partition table is a bit mangled. i'd recommend fixing it using a live image, rather than the installer's built-in partitioner |
| 00:37.33 | gnarface | Aartsie: like Coweater told you earlier; install build-essential. it will contain make and probably a dozen other things you assumed were "default commands" |
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| 00:38.58 | gnarface | Aartsie: you can list currently installed packages with dpkg -lk |
| 00:39.09 | gnarface | Aartsie: sorry dpkg -l i meant |
| 00:39.28 | Aartsie | gnarface: Thank you :) |
| 00:40.21 | gnarface | no problem |
| 00:40.41 | Posterdati | hi |
| 00:41.18 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem with hplip on wheezy: hp-setup or hp-setup gave python errors |
| 00:41.59 | brokencycle | uh. have no live image atm, and just installed these disks today from a 6.0.6 cd |
| 00:42.06 | brokencycle | using cfdisk |
| 00:42.16 | brokencycle | this drives me crazy |
| 00:42.29 | gnarface | brokencycle: using cfdisk? you mean you didn't use the installer's partitioner??? |
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| 00:42.54 | brokencycle | gnarface: sorry, i used the installer's partitioner |
| 00:42.59 | brokencycle | uh. what now? |
| 00:43.04 | gnarface | brokencycle: do you have a spare usb key that is at least 1GB in size? |
| 00:43.39 | gnarface | brokencycle: if so and your machine can boot from usb, download the live image |
| 00:43.58 | brokencycle | no. also, all my attempts to create bootable usb sticks haven't yet succeeded (eg. with 'dd', or with 'unetbootin') |
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| 00:44.44 | gnarface | brokencycle: well do you know if your hardware is configured to boot via USB by default? its common that it is disabled at the BIOS level by default even when supported. |
| 00:44.44 | jagginess | brokencycle, i know the desktop iso 6+ is usb makeable |
| 00:46.17 | gnarface | brokencycle: due to this being previously a difficult process that as of squeeze has been made into a trivial process, booting via usb is usually sabotaged by user error rather than anything else. frankly i'm pretty sure you hosed your partition table doing something weird that you haven't told us about yet too. |
| 00:46.24 | rainfyre | brokencycle: what happens when you try to make your usb sticks bootable? |
| 00:47.25 | brokencycle | gnarface: yes, the hardware tries to boot from usb drive. i see the led on the usb drive flicker, but then the bios says it can't find anything. doesn't way what it was looking for, though |
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| 00:48.08 | gnarface | Posterdati: that sounds like a wheezy issue to me. like a problem with python version mismatching. did you ask in #debian-next on OFTC? |
| 00:48.09 | brokencycle | gnarface: i am having two problems: (1) i h |
| 00:48.31 | simonlnu | problems with your enter key? |
| 00:48.32 | brokencycle | somehow broke the grub installation on a raid1 (md0 -> /, md1 -> lvm container) |
| 00:48.36 | Posterdati | gnarface: no, I'm going to ask now |
| 00:49.07 | brokencycle | (2): i have added two more disks to that box that i have installed from cd, as described, also as raid1 but slightly different partitioning |
| 00:49.29 | brokencycle | now when i get into grub's rescue mode, grub finds 2x (md/0) |
| 00:49.39 | brokencycle | and picks the wrong one by default |
| 00:50.02 | gnarface | ah |
| 00:50.11 | gnarface | you have a mess |
| 00:50.14 | gnarface | that's the part i was missing |
| 00:50.20 | brokencycle | if i let the installer from that same cd that i used to install, assemble the raid, then go into a shell in the real root partition |
| 00:50.32 | gnarface | that is supposed to work, yes |
| 00:50.41 | gnarface | but you will probably lose all the data on the raid |
| 00:51.09 | brokencycle | i can see everything. the second disk stack is supposed to hold some data, and has a minimal system to be swapped in as boot disks in emergency, that's why they are also bootable |
| 00:51.34 | brokencycle | with a complete, though stripped, version of squeeze (ie, ssh, puppet, not much more) |
| 00:52.29 | brokencycle | gnarface: the installer assembles the raid in the wrong way, but if i do it manually, the data is there |
| 00:53.06 | brokencycle | tried, also used dpkg's tip about re-installing grub, with no error message |
| 00:53.23 | brokencycle | (using the original disks, that is |
| 00:53.25 | brokencycle | ) |
| 00:53.37 | brokencycle | can differentiate because of the contents... |
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| 00:54.49 | brokencycle | now i'm in the installer shell, chrooted to the real root (on /target), with the real system mounted, and would like to just kill the boot flags on the second stack, but cfdisk won't let me |
| 00:55.08 | veryhappy | hi guys, from where do i get seperate modules like libjpeg, libcap and fontconfig? |
| 00:55.46 | gnarface | brokencycle: you should try rescue mode to see if it has any more useful tools than cfdisk |
| 00:55.53 | gnarface | brokencycle: you really need a livecd |
| 00:55.54 | veryhappy | ok, sorry guys, already found the solution :D read the fucking manual ;) |
| 00:56.02 | veryhappy | bye guys |
| 00:56.45 | brokencycle | gnarface: i am in rescue mode for that reason, but it tries to force disk partitioning on me, even after i manually assembled the raid and fs and lvm stuff that the installer gets wrong |
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| 00:58.04 | gnarface | brokencycle: i've given you the only helpful advice that i can come up with |
| 00:58.17 | rainfyre | hm |
| 00:58.31 | brokencycle | ok, so it's a rescue disk... i think i should then try to get some |
| 00:58.38 | brokencycle | s/some/one |
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| 01:00.08 | brokencycle | gnarface: thank you! i'll try... |
| 01:00.50 | gnarface | brokencycle: how does it try to force partitioning on you by the way? why can't you just enter the partitioner in manual mode, look at the partition table and just save it as-is if its already set up right? |
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| 01:02.48 | brokencycle | gnarface: when i mount the partiions by hand after "detect disks", then go back to the menu to let the installer do the "install grub" step, the next thing is that it tries to force partitioning on me, and when i go into a shell thereafter, all my mounting and other assembly stuff is undone |
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| 01:03.36 | gnarface | brokencycle: why did you mount them by hand in the middle of the installation process again? |
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| 01:05.51 | brokencycle | gnarface: when i let the installer assemble things automatically and then enter a shell, i see a lot of bogus statements about mounted partitions which frankly aren't (all dirs are empty). if i try to unmount those allegedly mounted partitions, i invariably get an error message like 'this partition is not mounted' or so |
| 01:06.15 | brokencycle | when i specify different device paths, things work |
| 01:06.19 | brokencycle | and i see my data |
| 01:07.58 | gnarface | brokencycle: you still haven't told me why your shit is broken. is this some non-debian installation base you're trying to preserve here? |
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| 01:10.18 | brokencycle | gnarface: no, it's probably broken because of user error - ie, my error. i pulled some broken disks, but may have forgotten to stop swap to them, then the machine panicked, and would not come up correctly (althoug it should have been fairly idle), |
| 01:10.37 | brokencycle | but can't say whether they were used for swapping in the first place |
| 01:11.11 | gnarface | oy |
| 01:11.29 | gnarface | you need to back your data up and then do a fresh build on this thing |
| 01:11.38 | brokencycle | so that's *shit* |
| 01:11.54 | brokencycle | maybe, but i think i should go to bed first |
| 01:12.09 | brokencycle | thanks a bunch, anyway |
| 01:12.22 | gnarface | try the livecd |
| 01:12.33 | gnarface | maybe parted or something on there can help you |
| 01:13.16 | gnarface | you should be able to dd if=[live image] of=/dev/sdb (or whatever your usb thing is) and it will work if your bios can boot usb |
| 01:13.31 | brokencycle | gnarface; i got the debian-live-...-rescue.iso now, now i only need to get a stick/cd to use it,right? |
| 01:13.50 | gnarface | brokencycle: that has been everyone else's experience, generally, yes |
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| 01:14.18 | brokencycle | gnarface: this dd thingy didn't work on the other machine where i tried - anything else i should keep i mind? |
| 01:14.24 | gnarface | brokencycle: however warning; the rescue iso and "standard" one both don't have X. if you want a GUI you should get one of the other ones |
| 01:14.54 | brokencycle | gnarface: i'm happy with a shell and vi as long as the man pages are good |
| 01:15.40 | gnarface | well you can always apt-get whatever you want into the live image |
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| 01:15.51 | gnarface | i've only had problems booting the live image on old hardware really |
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| 01:16.19 | brokencycle | nope, it was a core2duo |
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| 01:16.27 | gnarface | did you check the BIOS settings? |
| 01:16.32 | brokencycle | not that old, methinks - it can run amd64 from cd just fine |
| 01:16.35 | gnarface | you'd have to move the USB key to the front of the boot order |
| 01:17.04 | gnarface | also you'd have to have a USB key that wasn't you know... fried, or have bad blocks |
| 01:17.29 | gnarface | you'd have to have enough ram |
| 01:17.33 | gnarface | 128MB won't cut it |
| 01:17.56 | gnarface | you need enough ram to unpack the whole live image into memory and run it |
| 01:18.06 | brokencycle | (also usb), and i can select to treat the usb as floppy, cd, disk or auto |
| 01:18.17 | gnarface | i'd try auto first |
| 01:18.24 | brokencycle | i have 2gigs in that machine where it failed |
| 01:19.07 | gnarface | i would actually also make sure the board has the latest non-beta BIOS version available as well, and if not flash it up. that has actually solved problems for me in the past |
| 01:19.12 | brokencycle | ok, i pulled the two new disks, and the system appears to boot |
| 01:19.45 | gnarface | what are you trying to do now, just add them to the raid array? |
| 01:19.48 | brokencycle | not nicely (massive fsck errors) but it boots. now how can i make it not try the other stack |
| 01:20.01 | gnarface | i don't know mdadm that well |
| 01:20.17 | gnarface | can't you just let it finish fscking ? |
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| 01:27.15 | brokency1le | hi gnarface: i've pulled the new disks, and voila, the machine is back online. now i 'only" need to teach the system to not boot from the wrong stack |
| 01:27.46 | brokency1le | but now it's time to go to bed. =/ |
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| 01:47.40 | redwarriors25 | gud am |
| 01:47.53 | redwarriors25 | how to create webserver in debian |
| 01:48.29 | dvs | aptitude install apache2 ? |
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| 01:49.28 | redwarriors25 | ok |
| 01:49.40 | redwarriors25 | can debian be a proxy server also? |
| 01:50.03 | dvs | probably, but I've never used one before |
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| 01:50.14 | redwarriors25 | i see |
| 01:50.15 | gnarface | redwarriors25: even apache2 can be a proxy server |
| 01:50.25 | redwarriors25 | how |
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| 01:50.39 | gnarface | redwarriors25: that part is your homework |
| 01:50.47 | redwarriors25 | : D |
| 01:51.18 | uiopqwer | does anyone have experience setting up wireless on an acer aspire v5? my wireless card is not being detected at all and there's no ethernet port |
| 01:51.21 | redwarriors25 | are you all guys have certified in linux |
| 01:51.24 | peterrooney | redwarriors25: if only a proxy is wanted, tinyproxy might serve. |
| 01:51.37 | redwarriors25 | oh i see peter |
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| 01:52.44 | gnarface | redwarriors25: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_proxy.html the official apache documentation is very good. make sure the version you're reading matches your apache version though. |
| 01:52.55 | peterrooney | redwarriors25: I am not certified, merely a talented amateur. I would not be surprised if that is true for the majority of participants in this channel. |
| 01:53.14 | gnarface | objects to certifications |
| 01:53.28 | gnarface | does get paid to do this though |
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| 01:55.16 | peterrooney | gnarface: aside from the moving-target problem of linux certs, why? |
| 01:56.51 | gnarface | peterrooney: certifications are a racket and in my market i find that the more of them a potential employee has, the less relevant expertise they actually seem to have gathered per year. i can't prove that's anything other than awkward correlation but i do suspect there is some indirect causal link somewhere. obviously there are exceptions to every rule; but as i said. certifications are a racket |
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| 01:57.54 | Mysterytrain | gnarface: so you think a linux certification isn't worth the paper it's printed on? |
| 01:58.22 | gnarface | Mysterytrain: yes but in no way to i think this is unique to the linux ones. |
| 01:58.34 | Hydroxide | many of them are PDF |
| 01:58.37 | Hydroxide | :P |
| 01:58.42 | Mysterytrain | lol |
| 01:58.44 | gnarface | hawahwhaw |
| 01:59.08 | peterrooney | gnarface: here's the correlation: once you're certified, why bother keeping at learning it? |
| 01:59.41 | z_marco | gnarface: Certifications are relevant for two things. The meeting for a job application, and HRM. That's really it. They will always prefer certified engineers. |
| 01:59.48 | gnarface | peterrooney: yes, that's true but microsoft obsoletes their certifications with new product releases, but that somehow only compounds the problem |
| 01:59.59 | Mysterytrain | yeah you cant just walk in and say "hey, I yam experienced, hire me" |
| 02:00.17 | Mysterytrain | they'll want proof |
| 02:00.57 | gnarface | yea i don't take anyone's word for shit. i'm used to both administering and being administered testing |
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| 02:01.24 | Mysterytrain | that said I did plan on an LPI cert next year |
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| 02:03.44 | z_marco | Mysterytrain: I would consider both RHCE and LPI. RHCE is in high demand at the moment. |
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| 02:06.23 | Mysterytrain | z_marco: what's RHCE? |
| 02:08.01 | peterrooney | Mysterytrain: a Red Hat Cert |
| 02:08.12 | Mysterytrain | ah |
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| 02:08.58 | peterrooney | Mysterytrain: Probably illegal in Canada - they don't like "Engineer" abused like Microsoft does it. |
| 02:09.42 | z_marco | Mysterytrain: RHCE = Red Hat Certified Engineer. It's two examinations, multiple choice and practical exam. |
| 02:09.58 | Mysterytrain | wonder if there's a testing center up here |
| 02:10.03 | Mysterytrain | investigates |
| 02:10.17 | krisfremen | investigates the Mysterytrain |
| 02:10.28 | Mysterytrain | kickz krisfremen |
| 02:10.45 | dvs | investigates investigating |
| 02:11.02 | Mysterytrain | don't hurt yourself |
| 02:11.24 | redwarriors25 | i think more experience than have a cert but not have exp yet which much better? |
| 02:11.53 | Mysterytrain | experience always does beat out fancy titles and papers |
| 02:12.05 | z_marco | redwarriors25: I don't think you will get hired easily without certifications. |
| 02:12.15 | Mysterytrain | but..yeah, what z_marco said |
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| 02:14.45 | redwarriors25 | i see |
| 02:14.52 | redwarriors25 | so certifications are important |
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| 02:16.46 | z_marco | and.. didn't Oscar Wilde once say about experience.. "Experience is just the name we give to our mistakes". |
| 02:16.49 | gnarface | well if you have no portfolio, no recommendations and no salary history, certifications are just about all you've got that can make your resume sound appealing |
| 02:17.02 | gnarface | but its as much about who you know as what you know |
| 02:17.10 | gnarface | not all job interviews were created equal |
| 02:17.30 | z_marco | redwarriors25: Certifications is important for two things, your meeting for the job application and HRM. |
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| 02:18.25 | gnarface | well also if you're completely new to a field, certification coursework is a good place to get an outline for your study plan |
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| 02:19.49 | gnarface | i don't think an A+ certification is something everyone in this room needs, but i *do* think everyone in this room should know how to build a computer from scratch |
| 02:20.15 | dvs | starts to gather some rare Earth |
| 02:20.24 | gnarface | not from scratch literally dvs |
| 02:20.43 | gnarface | you know from retail/whitebox parts |
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| 02:21.03 | gnarface | basic care and maintenance, etc |
| 02:21.18 | dvs | starts to gather some Dell websites |
| 02:21.42 | gnarface | fuck dell too |
| 02:21.47 | gnarface | but now we're way off topic |
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| 02:22.37 | z_marco | gnarface: Most medium to large companies already have Data Centers with staff. I don't think a SysAdmin should go to the Data Center. There are remote consoles like iLO and DRAC that can can aid you. |
| 02:23.22 | gnarface | z_marco: if you think that the sysadmins aren't the ones at the data center you have a massively confused definition of the job |
| 02:24.18 | gnarface | z_marco: also if you think that just because you can get your job done without being physically next to the machine doesn't mean that you shouldn't know how to upgrade some ram |
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| 02:24.46 | gnarface | z_marco: ...then you also have a really radically confused mental image of the tasks at hand |
| 02:25.38 | z_marco | gnarface: I've worked for a large company for many many many years, and these days it's almost impossible to gain access to the Data Centers. There really isn't an excuse for a SysAdmin to go there. Only Data Center Staff and Vendor Support can walk there. If a SysAdmin desperately needs access, they have to say it 24 hours before. For the financial branche it's even more impossible to gain access to the Data Centers. |
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| 02:26.16 | gnarface | z_marco: so in your head i assume you think these places are run by robots then, because you don't go there? |
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| 02:27.36 | z_marco | gnarface: read my last message. I said there are staff there. I also said that vendor support can go there for a Severity 1 issue. But a SysAdmin to walk in the Data Center? Why? There are remote console like iLO and DRAC. Also there are motherboards equipped with IPMI. |
| 02:27.39 | gnarface | z_marco: its clear you mistakenly think that not knowing how to set up a computer cluster isn't a liability to your grasp of how to do YOUR job, and mabye that's true for YOUR specific job but i doubt that by and large the job title of "sysadmin" is well served by people who've never seen the inside of a computer case or who couldn't tell the difference between rj12 and rj45 to save their lives |
| 02:28.33 | gnarface | z_marco: and its really not on topic anyway |
| 02:28.54 | z_marco | gnarfce: I have been doing SysAdmin work for the last 15 years. Please give me some credit. Yes, I know how to build a computer. I know how to build clusters. I just said that a SysAdmin doesn't really need to be in the Data Centers. |
| 02:29.11 | z_marco | gnarface: true it's OT. |
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| 02:31.17 | veryhappy | someone here that knows if i can ask vdr related questions on here? i use debian, so it should be anyhow related to debian and vdr |
| 02:32.01 | gnarface | veryhappy: you can ask |
| 02:32.23 | gnarface | veryhappy: nobody may know though |
| 02:33.04 | gnarface | veryhappy: if your problem isn't specifically about vdr but rather about the debian packaging of it then someone may be able to help you even if they are not familiar with vdr |
| 02:33.09 | veryhappy | gnarface: thank you. well my first problem is, although i've set up the video path for vdr it still says cannot access /var/lib/video.00 (i set the video path to /srv/vdr) |
| 02:33.43 | veryhappy | gnarface: ok |
| 02:34.22 | gnarface | veryhappy: well that's already more than i know about vdr sorry. just be patient someone might know though. all i can suggest is check the filesystem permissions and make sure you are not following non-debian documentation |
| 02:34.40 | gnarface | veryhappy: (those are the two most common causes of "it doesn't work") |
| 02:34.54 | veryhappy | ok |
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| 02:35.05 | veryhappy | well the permissions ok |
| 02:35.32 | veryhappy | perhaps i just did chown -R vdr:vdr /srv/vdr and not chown 744 /srv/vdr |
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| 02:38.20 | veryhappy | that's weird. it says while i tried to execute /etc/init.d/vdr start "it's already running" and then i can stop it or start it again but if i try to execute vdr manually it says "can't access /var/lib/video.00 |
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| 02:42.05 | gnarface | well sometimes scripts have dumb error cases |
| 02:42.17 | veryhappy | but another problem that i also have is: at the end of the boot process it says tda1004x: setting up plls for 48MHy sampling clock |
| 02:42.44 | veryhappy | tda1004x: found firmware revision 26 -- ok |
| 02:43.38 | veryhappy | gnarface: weird tho |
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| 02:45.24 | gnarface | veryhappy: that doesn't really sound like a problem to me... |
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| 02:46.18 | veryhappy | gnarface: ok, then it's ok? good, i just thought i want to get this lines away linux usually always writes also informations still behind the login prompt |
| 02:48.00 | gnarface | veryhappy: its just delayed output |
| 02:48.18 | gnarface | there is some way to redirect it back to the log but its usually not worth it unless its exposing security info |
| 02:48.37 | ratcheer | I've tried about thirty suggestions I've found on the web, but I cannot get "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" to run at startup with slim and LXDE. Can anyone help? |
| 02:48.52 | veryhappy | gnarface: i anyway will always log in over network. so that doesn't really disturb |
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| 02:53.48 | veryhappy | gnarface: i just still don't know how to access vdr now over network and how to install plugins |
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| 02:54.32 | thanosdave | hi, all files and dirs in /proc/asound/card0 are root:root; is this normal |
| 02:54.41 | thanosdave | ? |
| 02:54.53 | gnarface | veryhappy: apt-cache search ^vdr shows me that many plugins have their own package. just install it with apt-get or aptitude as usual |
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| 02:56.59 | Rix | hi, i want to kill a ssh user but if i kill the process to log him out i'll loose the ssh history (of commands) how can i save the history first |
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| 02:58.10 | veryhappy | gnarface: ok thank you |
| 02:58.15 | veryhappy | see you |
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| 03:05.19 | selfevident | Hi. I'm using Wheezy with Linux 3.5.5 and I'm having problems with X since I last updated. |
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| 03:05.37 | selfevident | It freezes right after I do startx. |
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| 03:06.32 | selfevident | When I do X -configure, it tells me the number of created screens does not match the number of detected devices. |
| 03:11.53 | thanosdave | hi, still wondering about perms/ownerships on my nound files in /proc... anyone available to help? involves /proc/asound atleast card0 and probably udev |
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| 03:13.36 | somiaj | thanosdave: why do you want them to not be owned by root.root, /proc is mainly info about the kernel. |
| 03:13.55 | thanosdave | oh, so that's normal? |
| 03:14.08 | somiaj | yea they are root.root on mine too and my sound works fine. What is your problem? |
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| 03:16.02 | thanosdave | trying to determine that... had chipset on motherboard, not making any sound; disabled that in bios and bought new card, seems drivers are ok but still no sound yet |
| 03:17.05 | thanosdave | I'm running 2.6.32 and the card's pciid is... |
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| 03:19.45 | MagisterQuis | So, I'm trying to change a service's $PATH |
| 03:20.03 | MagisterQuis | Dropbear's specifically, so it can run executables in other directories. |
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| 03:20.19 | MagisterQuis | Where's the appropriate place to do that? |
| 03:22.16 | thanosdave | 13f6:0111 |
| 03:26.11 | thanosdave | , pciid 13f6:0111 |
| 03:26.12 | judd | [13f6:0111] is 'CM8738' from 'C-Media Electronics Inc' with kernel module 'snd-cmipci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=13f6:0111 and the out-of-tree 'snd-cmipci' module. |
| 03:28.53 | thanosdave | and that driver is loaded |
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| 03:48.19 | fanderal | In conky, would I use 'pad_percents' to show hundreths instead of tenths? |
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| 03:52.22 | veryhappy | i'm get lost, i don't know why vdr isn't accepting my path that i wrote in the conf file VIDEO_DIR="/srv/vdr" it only start when i say directly on the command line: "vdr -v /srv/vdr" |
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| 04:02.03 | MagisterQuis | Is it possible to modify the $PATH passed to a service that starts at boot? (dropbear, in this case) |
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| 04:06.23 | veryhappy | everybody sleeping in here? |
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| 04:07.36 | MagisterQuis | veryhappy: I think so. |
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| 04:11.31 | veryhappy | MagisterQuis: i don't think that you can change the $PATH |
| 04:12.38 | MagisterQuis | Hm. |
| 04:12.45 | MagisterQuis | That doesn't seem right, though. |
| 04:12.45 | veryhappy | MagisterQuis: if you install the program it always uses the same path i guess it's like a symlink, but i don't think that that's possible |
| 04:12.52 | MagisterQuis | dropbear's $PATH is /bin:/usr/bin |
| 04:13.07 | veryhappy | where did you get this out? |
| 04:13.24 | MagisterQuis | Instead of bash told it to run a script that printed the $PATH. |
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| 04:13.38 | veryhappy | i see |
| 04:15.03 | LittleFoot | holy shit |
| 04:15.21 | LittleFoot | i installed nvidias.run driers |
| 04:15.26 | LittleFoot | it works |
| 04:15.35 | veryhappy | MagisterQuis: don't you find something in here? http://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
| 04:16.58 | veryhappy | i'm sorry i have to go. |
| 04:17.14 | veryhappy | bye |
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| 04:17.56 | LittleFoot2 | sup |
| 04:18.35 | MagisterQuis | Not so much, no. No shell is actually started. |
| 04:18.48 | LittleFoot2 | upgraded to 6.0.6 |
| 04:19.01 | LittleFoot2 | very niese |
| 04:20.03 | damacus | i wonder if you can set an env var from grub |
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| 04:20.08 | damacus | or if it's get overwritten |
| 04:20.24 | LittleFoot2 | wen will debian 7 live be added??? |
| 04:21.02 | MagisterQuis | damacus: It's a VPS, so no way to test it anyways. |
| 04:21.09 | damacus | ah |
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| 04:23.40 | damacus | LittleFoot2: free was june 30 |
| 04:23.43 | damacus | freeze |
| 04:24.00 | LittleFoot2 | ? |
| 04:24.14 | damacus | http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&fnewer=ign&fnewerval=10&rc=1&sortby=severity&sorto=desc&cpopcon=1&crttags=1 |
| 04:24.28 | damacus | they wont release wheezy until they finish working out some of the bugs |
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| 04:25.41 | LittleFoot2 | wat bugs |
| 04:25.51 | damacus | i just posted a link. |
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| 04:26.00 | LittleFoot2 | have you tried runing beta 2 |
| 04:26.05 | damacus | yeah |
| 04:26.08 | LittleFoot2 | and |
| 04:26.22 | damacus | it's fine if you're not affected by a specific bug :) |
| 04:26.45 | LittleFoot2 | does compiz and opengl work? |
| 04:27.09 | damacus | try it and see. i dont use those features. |
| 04:27.20 | LittleFoot2 | oh |
| 04:27.42 | LittleFoot2 | home networking doesnt work after you install fresh |
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| 04:28.35 | damacus | not sure what you mean by home networking. i've not had any network issues with it. |
| 04:28.54 | LittleFoot2 | when i first installed |
| 04:28.58 | LittleFoot2 | twice today |
| 04:29.24 | LittleFoot2 | 605 and then 603 |
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| 04:29.41 | LittleFoot2 | internet worked in the installer |
| 04:29.55 | LittleFoot2 | but not in the desktop |
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| 04:30.17 | LittleFoot2 | i had to comment out all ip6 lines in hosts |
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| 04:56.39 | cryo__ | Hello, I assume my system is defaulted to alsa, because alsamixer controls the main |
| 04:56.43 | cryo__ | but i may have changed something in the gnome control panel to disable sound from firefox |
| 04:56.45 | cryo__ | could i get some help in fixing that maybe? |
| 04:57.07 | cryo__ | not sure |
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| 05:03.44 | klync | cryo__: disabled in ffx but you know it still works from, say, aplay? |
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| 05:06.48 | qw12 | my crons are not working properly |
| 05:07.08 | qw12 | i checked the crontab and it looks fine. i see the syslog and i dont see any error |
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| 05:09.35 | qw12 | in the syslog it shows that the crons are being cycled at the interval |
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| 05:09.49 | qw12 | howver the script is not really running. when i manually run the script it is running fine |
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| 05:14.40 | archetech_i486 | running on a amd k6-2-500 |
| 05:14.46 | archetech_i486 | db 6 |
| 05:14.50 | archetech_i486 | deb 6 |
| 05:15.05 | archetech_i486 | amazing it runs ok |
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| 05:18.11 | LittleFoot2 | yaya |
| 05:18.25 | LittleFoot2 | deb 606 ? |
| 05:18.32 | gnarface | archetech_i486: deb6 runs for me on a p2-266 toshiba laptop |
| 05:18.41 | LittleFoot2 | 6.0.6? |
| 05:18.56 | gnarface | yep |
| 05:18.58 | gnarface | fully updated |
| 05:19.12 | LittleFoot2 | ya mint with mate lags |
| 05:19.16 | LittleFoot2 | weird |
| 05:19.31 | LittleFoot2 | must be the ubuntu craps |
| 05:20.14 | gnarface | staying closer to current with upstream brings more bugs than features |
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| 05:20.22 | LittleFoot2 | yes |
| 05:20.43 | LittleFoot2 | i like to have 2 installs tho |
| 05:20.49 | LittleFoot2 | to try out new stuf |
| 05:21.29 | LittleFoot2 | but gnome2 with macbuntu skin looks best for me |
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| 05:30.25 | archetech_i486 | gnar cool ya mines 6.0.6 fully updated too with lxde on 192mb ram |
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| 05:54.56 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 05:55.03 | ZaSeal | omg |
| 05:55.31 | ZaSeal | helo EasyAsPie |
| 05:55.33 | EasyAsPie | hi ZaSeal |
| 05:55.35 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 05:55.45 | ZaSeal | r u using debian |
| 05:55.50 | ZaSeal | :\ |
| 05:56.03 | EasyAsPie | no |
| 05:56.04 | EasyAsPie | y? |
| 05:56.21 | ZaSeal | ok u need to leave |
| 05:56.26 | ZaSeal | debian only |
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| 05:57.42 | EasyAsPie | no |
| 05:57.44 | EasyAsPie | mean |
| 05:57.59 | ectospasm | as long as easyaspie doesn't ask for support for non-debian oses, s/he can stay |
| 05:58.12 | EasyAsPie | ty |
| 05:58.21 | EasyAsPie | how r u ectospasm ? |
| 05:59.36 | ectospasm | not a support question... |
| 06:00.46 | EasyAsPie | emotional support |
| 06:00.54 | ZaSeal | omg |
| 06:01.09 | ZaSeal | akshuly im kinda sad today too |
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| 06:01.33 | EasyAsPie | i need support |
| 06:01.36 | EasyAsPie | can you please help? |
| 06:01.46 | ZaSeal | wat? |
| 06:02.43 | ZaSeal | james stewart iz bak |
| 06:03.05 | EasyAsPie | I'm so sad and lonely |
| 06:03.07 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 06:03.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:04.04 | ZaSeal | sunday ride to g riders bbq tomorow |
| 06:04.09 | EasyAsPie | I have a problem with life. I am aspie and have no friends. I am depressed and lonely. |
| 06:04.14 | ZaSeal | cier |
| 06:04.19 | Max^ | ok |
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| 06:04.29 | ectospasm | emotional support questions should be taken to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:04.30 | EasyAsPie | hi finkata |
| 06:04.44 | boudiccas | EasyAsPie, social chit-chat should go to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:04.54 | EasyAsPie | it is not chit chat |
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| 06:05.06 | ectospasm | twss |
| 06:05.11 | EasyAsPie | i just tried |
| 06:05.13 | EasyAsPie | nobody replied |
| 06:05.35 | ZaSeal | ok help him |
| 06:05.43 | ZaSeal | for the love of god |
| 06:05.47 | boudiccas | EasyAsPie, waiting one minute is ridiculous, wait longer |
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| 06:06.19 | ZaSeal | ok race starting bai |
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| 06:09.23 | neonoe | Hello, do you know when the 3.4 kernel will be packaged in Debian (for amd64) ? (seen 3.5 in experimental) |
| 06:10.11 | ZaSeal | well i just upgraded to latest updates |
| 06:10.16 | ZaSeal | and im still at 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 06:10.25 | ZaSeal | SO... never |
| 06:10.43 | neonoe | ... |
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| 06:26.42 | ZaSeal | i feel beter getting rid of 3.2 kernal |
| 06:26.51 | ZaSeal | i feel more stabel |
| 06:28.04 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, what country do you live on please? |
| 06:28.15 | boudiccas | in |
| 06:28.41 | ZaSeal | i live in syberia |
| 06:28.51 | ZaSeal | u kno wer iz it |
| 06:28.52 | rainfyre | cyberia? |
| 06:29.02 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 06:29.33 | boudiccas | then maybe that accounts for your atrocious spelling |
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| 06:29.59 | ZaSeal | ya probly |
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| 06:31.56 | qw12 | i have /etc/cron.twentymin where there are two scripts, script1, script2 Both scripts run fine if I run them manually. However script1 works through the cron also fine but not script2 Can anyone please tell why/how to fix this ? |
| 06:32.40 | boudiccas | qw12, not without seeing the line from crontab that should trigger it, and also seeing what the script itself is |
| 06:32.46 | ectospasm | qw12: does script2 report anything to stdout/stderr when it fails? |
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| 06:35.20 | cryo__ | wth klync how can i re-renable |
| 06:35.32 | cryo__ | i thik i changed the asound2 libv on my pc for skype |
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| 06:37.23 | qw12 | boudiccas: ectospasm /etc/cron.twentymin/script2 works fine, and doens't report any error |
| 06:37.32 | qw12 | boudiccas: i am putting in pastebin |
| 06:37.48 | boudiccas | dont use pastebin use dpaste |
| 06:38.06 | boudiccas | !pastebin |
| 06:38.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 06:39.26 | cryo__ | yes my aplay works but firefox sound doesnt |
| 06:39.27 | cryo__ | please help |
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| 06:41.19 | boudiccas | cryo__, firefox is unsupported here, ask in #firefox |
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| 06:46.17 | ectospasm | qw12: do you have MAILTO= set in crontab? |
| 06:46.46 | qw12 | ectospasm: yes, i put it to root, but don't really see any emails |
| 06:46.49 | qw12 | http://pastebin.com/6vViY20K is the script2 |
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| 06:47.10 | ectospasm | qw12: did you pastebin your crontab, too? |
| 06:47.27 | qw12 | ok |
| 06:47.28 | neonoe | ZaSeal: but I need 3.4 for specific material. |
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| 06:48.40 | ZaSeal | probly gcc |
| 06:48.57 | qw12 | ectospasm: http://pastebin.com/irFpWL4v |
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| 06:50.14 | ectospasm | qw12: if I'm not mistaken, that's not the right crontab, is it? |
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| 06:50.35 | ectospasm | your misbehaving script is in cron.twentymin, no? |
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| 06:53.44 | qw12 | ectospasm: it is, what part made you think so ? |
| 06:54.17 | ectospasm | qw12: you pasted your main crontab, not /etc/cron.twentymin |
| 06:54.34 | qw12 | ectospasm: i pasted the script2 in /etc/cron.twentymin also |
| 06:54.45 | qw12 | ectospasm: it is at http://pastebin.com/6vViY20K |
| 06:55.02 | redwarriors25 | how to setup a webserver |
| 06:55.09 | redwarriors25 | for debian squeeze |
| 06:55.23 | ectospasm | qw12: that's the first time I saw that link... |
| 06:55.43 | microcosm | ／f #feroda |
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| 06:56.06 | ectospasm | qw12: that still doesn't look like the contents of cron.twentymin... |
| 06:56.09 | ectospasm | that looks like script2 |
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| 06:56.34 | ectospasm | qw12: and choose the right syntax, if you would |
| 06:56.41 | ectospasm | ...makes it much easier to read |
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| 07:01.34 | qw12 | ectospasm: i didn't get what you mean by syntax easier to read. the file is the same |
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| 07:01.49 | qw12 | ectospasm: can u elaborate ? |
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| 07:02.14 | qw12 | ectospasm: i copied the file contents and put up in pastebin.com |
| 07:02.41 | ectospasm | qw12: when pasting bash or Bourne shell code, you can select the syntax (in pastebin) to be bash/sh, so it gets highlighted |
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| 07:02.52 | ectospasm | unfortunately you can't set cron as the syntax |
| 07:03.13 | jokar | how can i use https in linux? |
| 07:03.15 | ectospasm | ...but you STILL haven't pasted the contents of cron.twentymin, qw12... |
| 07:03.22 | jokar | vpn |
| 07:03.41 | ectospasm | jokar: most browsers support HTTPS, and OpenVPN is what I use in Debian |
| 07:03.49 | qw12 | ectospasm: when you say contents you mean the script2 correct ? |
| 07:03.58 | ectospasm | qw12: nope |
| 07:04.09 | qw12 | ectospasm: you mean listo f ifles ? |
| 07:04.11 | ectospasm | qw12: I mean the contents of the file /etc/cron.twentymin |
| 07:04.20 | qw12 | ectospasm: its not a file, its a directory |
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| 07:04.50 | ectospasm | qw12: I thought those were supposed to go in /etc/cron.d/... |
| 07:05.06 | ectospasm | maybe not |
| 07:06.08 | ectospasm | what is that script trying to do anyway? It looks wrong |
| 07:06.26 | qw12 | ectospasm: it just sends a mail that's all |
| 07:06.30 | ectospasm | mailx is meant to be interactive, no? Why not use mail or sendmail |
| 07:06.51 | qw12 | ectospasm: i don't know but that script works fine when i manually run it |
| 07:06.55 | jokar | how can i use openvpn,it need CA? |
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| 07:07.06 | qw12 | ectospasm: basically i put that there to test and see if the crons are working |
| 07:07.21 | ectospasm | jokar: yeah, you'll probably need a CA from the entity you're connecting to |
| 07:07.43 | jokar | i just have user name and password |
| 07:07.54 | qw12 | ectospasm: i don't us esendmail, i searched online to find mailx, mail was just checking mail for root |
| 07:07.56 | ectospasm | jokar: you should probably have a CA, and your user keys and certs |
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| 07:08.08 | ectospasm | qw12: I meant the sendmail command |
| 07:08.29 | ectospasm | I just use the mail command myself |
| 07:08.30 | jokar | my provider take me user name and password and gateway |
| 07:08.33 | qw12 | boudiccas: http://pastebin.com/6vViY20K is the script2 in /etc/cron.twentymin, http://pastebin.com/irFpWL4v is my crontab |
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| 07:08.50 | qw12 | ectospasm: i am looking up how to use mail |
| 07:08.59 | qw12 | ectospasm: can u pls tell why tihs may be happening ? |
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| 07:09.22 | redwarriors25 | how to get updates in debian squeeze |
| 07:09.29 | ectospasm | qw12: can your system send mail from the command line? |
| 07:10.02 | ectospasm | if so, just let cron send the mail... do something like "echo Does it work?", which should get mailed to the MAILTO= user |
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| 07:10.05 | qw12 | yes, like i said the script works fine if manually run it and i see the mail |
| 07:10.14 | qw12 | ectospasm: yes, like i said the script works fine if manually run it and i see the mail |
| 07:10.27 | qw12 | ectospasm: by the way mail is expecting me to stop it by putting . i tihnk, |
| 07:10.41 | ectospasm | use a heredoc |
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| 07:10.50 | qw12 | ectospasm: is that to me ? heredoc ? |
| 07:10.54 | jokar | anybody here for help? |
| 07:10.59 | ectospasm | cat > file << EOF .... end with EOF |
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| 07:11.21 | ectospasm | or cat | mailx ... << EOF |
| 07:11.52 | qw12 | ectospasm: so i need the << EOF at end of the line in the script yo umean ? |
| 07:11.53 | ectospasm | jokar: is this for VPN, or HTTPS? |
| 07:12.24 | ectospasm | qw12: actually, it will take everything up until a second EOF on a line by itself... |
| 07:12.36 | qw12 | ectospasm: if i put EOF, it is going interfactive |
| 07:12.52 | qw12 | ectospasm: here's the ething, when i run the script manually it works fine. did you get that ? |
| 07:13.05 | jokar | ectospasm: i have a VPN,user name and password with a gateway |
| 07:13.13 | qw12 | ectospasm: i see the mail and i see the next command line showping up. do you think it can still be issue with the script ? |
| 07:13.26 | jokar | my provider take me a username and password,how can i use it? |
| 07:13.30 | qw12 | ectospasm: given that fact that this script doesn't work, but the other does, it probably is also, |
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| 07:13.43 | ectospasm | http://paste.debian.net/197213/ << qw12 heredoc, the syntax highlighting is a bit off |
| 07:14.21 | ectospasm | qw12: cron must be doing something differently, probably not the same environment that you get in your shell |
| 07:14.33 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok, i am using bash |
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| 07:14.40 | jokar | ectospasm: can i make a CA? |
| 07:14.42 | qw12 | ectospasm: i didn't get your pastebin or what do with it |
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| 07:15.00 | ectospasm | jokar: yeah, you'll need to look up how to do that with openssl |
| 07:15.11 | ectospasm | qw12: google heredoc |
| 07:15.15 | qw12 | jokar: go to openvpn channel, its more suited for that |
| 07:15.16 | ectospasm | ...bash heredoc |
| 07:15.28 | jokar | ectospasm: thanks,can you show me a link? |
| 07:15.32 | qw12 | ectospasm: given its bash, u think the shell is still different ? |
| 07:15.41 | qw12 | jokar: why don't you search online, there are 100's of these |
| 07:15.47 | ectospasm | jokar: google is your friend |
| 07:15.51 | jokar | thank you |
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| 07:16.11 | ectospasm | qw12: not the shell, the environment |
| 07:16.16 | ectospasm | what does the other script do? |
| 07:16.28 | ectospasm | qw12: I think you're overthinking it |
| 07:16.41 | ectospasm | ...cron is supposed to mail any output to MAILTO= |
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| 07:17.11 | ectospasm | I have MAILTO=myEmail@address.com, and all of my scripts that produce output send me a mail, automagically |
| 07:17.39 | qw12 | ectospasm: the other script does some generic processing and based on condition sends mail, that mail works fine and the command is basically same as this command |
| 07:18.04 | qw12 | ectospasm: now while talking i will take that other script, strip it down to just the mail command and check. but its still strange |
| 07:18.06 | ectospasm | pastebin the other script (script1) |
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| 07:20.15 | ectospasm | qw12: you might want to read man 5 crontab, and read about the environment |
| 07:20.23 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok |
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| 07:21.55 | oops | anyone knows this guy: https://github.com/tidux ? |
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| 07:27.45 | neonoe | ectospasm: thx |
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| 07:28.58 | jp2v | pas mieux apres reboot mon libreoffice |
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| 07:30.31 | jokar | Excuse me,my provider is not OPenVPN |
| 07:30.40 | SiDz | there's no acidbase in wheezy? |
| 07:30.54 | jokar | how can i setup a vpn connection? |
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| 07:38.48 | ectospasm | jokar: try #openvpn and ask there, they're more likely to know than we are |
| 07:38.53 | project2501a | hmmm |
| 07:39.00 | ectospasm | jokar: if you don't get a response, just wait... |
| 07:39.07 | jokar | i have not openvpn |
| 07:39.16 | project2501a | it looks like the debian openmpi binaries are not SGE aware.... |
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| 07:43.53 | redwarriors25 | how to get updates in debian squeeze |
| 07:44.16 | XReaper | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 07:56.32 | Grr | o.o |
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| 08:03.19 | kawe | Hello, I just installed Debian and cannot connect to the internet. In the installer I didn't connect to a network because it doesn't support WPA2 networks, and now there appears to be no network manager? |
| 08:05.28 | DeusEx | kawe, is your last sentence a question or you're surprised? |
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| 08:06.55 | babilen | kawe: That is "normal" if slightly annoying. The reason is that CD1 (which you used presumably) does *not* contain everything you need for a complete Gnome installation. Can you connect via ethernet? |
| 08:07.00 | kawe | DeusEx: It's a question. |
| 08:07.40 | kawe | Nope, I tried plugging in the LAN cable and still have no network connection. |
| 08:07.54 | babilen | kawe: But you *do* have ethernet? |
| 08:08.32 | kawe | Um, yes. |
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| 08:08.48 | kawe | But no internet connection. |
| 08:09.21 | babilen | Ok, great. Plug it in and run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" as root. Do you get an address and are you connected to the internet then? |
| 08:09.27 | DeusEx | kawe, what does /sbin/ifconfig return ? |
| 08:09.51 | DeusEx | yeah, the second part of the command would have been next ;) |
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| 08:10.40 | babilen | kawe: You should have used a different installer essentially. Either DVD1 which contains network-manager-gnome (/msg dpkg cd contents) or kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) which comes with a newer kernel and supports connections to wpa2 networks or the wheezy beta2 ... Well, it would have been best if you just used ethernet during the installation |
| 08:10.46 | DeusEx | babilen, why did you assume kawe's installing gnome? |
| 08:11.12 | babilen | DeusEx: Because it is the default installation and kawe didn't say anything else. But valid point, I made an assumption there. |
| 08:11.21 | babilen | kawe: Which desktop environment did you install? |
| 08:11.29 | babilen | s/installation/ |
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| 08:12.07 | kawe | "chown, chmod: failed to get attributes of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:12.13 | kawe | Gnome 2 afaik |
| 08:12.20 | DeusEx | ok |
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| 08:13.08 | babilen | kawe: Are you connected now? Could you try "ping 8.8.8.8" ? |
| 08:13.21 | kawe | Connected now. |
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| 08:14.23 | kawe | Do I need to install a network manager package? |
| 08:14.28 | babilen | kawe: Ok, you are in a slightly bad position now as the system won't be configured to install software from online repositories. So you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add them there |
| 08:14.36 | babilen | !tell kawe -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 08:14.38 | bullgard4 | Using mysqlbackup I generated a file »backup-file.sql«. I copied it to another Debian operating system. How can I here reconstruct my MySQL database? I did not find the answer in 'man mysqlbackup'. I grepped it for »restore«. |
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| 08:16.29 | DeusEx | bullgard4, mysql your-db-name < backup-file.sql |
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| 08:17.33 | babilen | kawe: You should end up with a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/197226/ -- You can remove the entries for the CD. Continue with running "apt-get update" and install network-manager-gnome with "apt-get install network-manager gnome" |
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| 08:18.38 | babilen | kawe: Could you give me the PCIID (alphanumerical identifier that looks like abcd:1234) at the end of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
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| 08:19.23 | kawe | Okay, 1 sec.. |
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| 08:20.10 | qw12 | ectospasm: i could not figure out how to fix the cron problem |
| 08:20.31 | ectospasm | qw12: I still think you're going about it the wrong way |
| 08:20.33 | qw12 | ectospasm: can you tell an easy way to test if a cron script is supposted to work etc. |
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| 08:20.41 | qw12 | ectospasm: so what is the way ? |
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| 08:21.17 | SiDz | how can i stop my debian broadcasting to 224.0.0.1... i've played with linux-igd some week ago and can't stop that since then |
| 08:21.42 | SiDz | linux-igd and deps arent installed anymore |
| 08:21.46 | ectospasm | qw12: if a script produces output on stdin or stderr, cron should mail the MAILTO= recipient. So just run "echo 'Some test text..." as the cronjob, and see if MAILTO=whoever gets the mail. |
| 08:22.02 | ectospasm | qw12: I'd recommend setting MAILTO= something other than root |
| 08:22.17 | kawe | babilen: "168c:002b" |
| 08:22.26 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 08:22.27 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 08:23.01 | babilen | kawe: That wireless adaptor should be well supported and doesn't need firmware. Installed everything? |
| 08:23.27 | kawe | . |
| 08:23.57 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok, i am not getting any mails etc. at all. but maybe because none have stdout or stderr, i'll try that. why should mailto be not root ? |
| 08:24.13 | kawe | I'm installing the network-manager and updating the system now. |
| 08:24.24 | ectospasm | qw12: depends on your sysadmin habits |
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| 08:24.31 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok |
| 08:25.08 | SiDz | http://i.imgur.com/zm6Dq.png id like to fix that:) |
| 08:25.16 | SiDz | i dont know what is doing that |
| 08:25.25 | kawe | babilen: I guess then my network should be working fine? |
| 08:25.41 | kawe | (Wirelessly and through LAN) |
| 08:26.00 | SiDz | i have 3 other debian that arent "connecting" to 224.0.0.1 on igmp port |
| 08:26.08 | SiDz | i can't find why that one is |
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| 08:26.38 | bullgard4 | DeusEx: '# mysql dbBegriffe2011 --password=*** < backup-file.sql' responds: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)." What's wrong? |
| 08:26.49 | babilen | kawe: Did you install everything? |
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| 08:27.03 | babilen | s/everything/network-manager-gnome/ |
| 08:27.09 | kawe | Yes. |
| 08:27.11 | kawe | babilen |
| 08:27.57 | DeusEx | bullgard4, you've probably got the root access from localhost hinibited |
| 08:28.05 | babilen | kawe: Great. Yeah, it should work fine now. Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:28.20 | babilen | wants to check if the rest of your hardware is supported |
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| 08:29.12 | DeusEx | bullgard4, if you've got a dedicated user for that db, i'd use it to import the db, I mean with the -u user param for the mysql client |
| 08:29.24 | kawe | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/197228 |
| 08:29.41 | DeusEx | bullgard4, so you'll have probably no problem in importing it |
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| 08:31.05 | DeusEx | bullgard4, just to be clear: mysql dbBegriffe2011 -u your-user -p your-db < backup-file.sql |
| 08:31.42 | babilen | kawe: Ok, checked on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see that your graphic card would benefit from a newer kernel and xorg. Please add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to your sources.list and run "apt-get update" again. Did you install amd64 or i386? |
| 08:32.00 | DeusEx | bullgard4, sorry, I meant: mysql dbBegriffe2011 -u your-user -p < backup-file.sql |
| 08:32.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell kawe about backports |
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| 08:34.56 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 08:35.36 | bluesm | Is there any package of modwsgi on Debian ? |
| 08:35.45 | babilen | kawe: Assuming you use amd64 continue with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree" and reboot into the new kernel. You can then upgrade Xorg by running "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx" |
| 08:35.46 | bluesm | Or I have to build it up with http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/QuickInstallationGuide |
| 08:35.46 | bluesm | ? |
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| 08:36.47 | kawe | babilen: Got disconnected, could you repaste what you said? |
| 08:37.07 | babilen | ,v libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 08:37.08 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-wsgi on i386 -- lenny: 2.5-1~lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.8-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.3-2; sid: 3.3-4; wheezy: 3.3-4; experimental: 3.4-1 |
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| 08:37.13 | babilen | bluesm: ^^^ |
| 08:37.20 | ompaul | [09:31:42] <babilen> kawe: Ok, checked on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and see that your graphic card would benefit from a newer kernel and xorg. Please add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to your sources.list and run "apt-get update" again. Did you install amd64 or i386? |
| 08:37.27 | ompaul | morning babilen |
| 08:37.37 | bullgard4 | DeusEx: The only user was and is "root". '# mysql dbBegriffe2011 -u root --password=*** < backup-file.sql' still responds: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)." What has gone wrong? |
| 08:37.38 | babilen | !tell bluesm -about search |
| 08:37.44 | babilen | kawe: Assuming you use amd64 continue with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree" and reboot into the new kernel. You can then upgrade Xorg by running "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx" |
| 08:38.04 | kawe | I use amd64 |
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| 08:39.24 | kawe | babilen: Where is sources.list stored again? |
| 08:39.45 | ompaul | kawe: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:39.54 | bluesm | babilen: So I can Install this. And this would be equal the compiling it from source code ? |
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| 08:40.43 | ompaul | bluesm: that's the idea |
| 08:40.45 | babilen | kawe: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:41.37 | babilen | bluesm: Depends on *how* you compile it, but yeah. I wouldn't compile it unless you *really* have to. And even then there are better options such as "/msg dpkg package recompile" |
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| 08:43.28 | babilen | kawe: Oh, btw. During the Xorg installation you will be presented with a screen that informs you about the fact that you need a certain kernel version for Xorg to work properly. You can exit that with "q" and it is fine as you've just installed a new kernel |
| 08:44.11 | kawe | Is it okay to reboot after reinstalling Xorg? |
| 08:44.26 | kawe | *upgrading |
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| 08:45.03 | kawe | Instead of rebooting now then upgrading it |
| 08:45.22 | bluesm | Thanks :) |
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| 08:47.10 | oops | is tidux a regular to this channel? |
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| 08:52.47 | DeusEx | bullgard4, then your root@localhost has no access to the db |
| 08:53.29 | bullgard4 | DeusEx: How can I change that? |
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| 08:56.03 | lawe | babilen: I've installed the packages you have suggested and Xorg. |
| 08:56.34 | lawe | My screen is streched out so my graphics card isn't working.. |
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| 08:58.13 | DeusEx | bullgard4, you have to grant the access to root from localhost. Something like: grant <your-grants> on your-db.* to 'root'@'localhost'; |
| 08:58.39 | qw12 | ectospasm: i don't see anyhitng in the mail |
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| 08:58.51 | qw12 | ectospasm: is it that only stderr gets mailed ? and not stdout ? |
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| 09:03.16 | bullgard4 | DeusEx: I know the term »to grant« in common English parlance. '~$ which grant' does not produce any output. packages.debian.org did not find a »grant« filename. So what »grant« do you mean? |
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| 09:04.17 | ksk | bullgard4: thats maysql syntax |
| 09:04.33 | ksk | take a look at "mysql grant" (google it) |
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| 09:06.03 | babilen | kawe: ping |
| 09:06.07 | bluesm | Is "debian handbook" is good book for begginer who wants use linux to |
| 09:06.19 | bluesm | make web appliaction ? |
| 09:06.46 | babilen | bluesm: Yeah, the Debian handbook is IMHO pretty good, but I don't think that it will introduce you to programming web applications. Or in fact I know that it won't. |
| 09:07.00 | ectospasm | qw12: I was under the impression that stdout gets mailed too |
| 09:07.06 | babilen | bluesm: It will give you a solid understanding of Debian though |
| 09:07.11 | ectospasm | qw12: again, check the man 5 crontab |
| 09:07.25 | qw12 | ectospasm: is therea way ti make it mailed > |
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| 09:08.35 | DeusEx | bullgard4, you have to do it while logged in to mysql |
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| 09:11.49 | ectospasm | qw12: on my system, I have MAILTO set to my main email address. Whenever a script generates output, I get an email. I can't tell what you're doing wrong. |
| 09:12.13 | ectospasm | qw12: using mail/mailx in crontab just sounds silly |
| 09:12.23 | bullgard4 | ksk: I have found a tutorial. -- Thank you. |
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| 09:13.23 | bluesm | babilen: Yes. But I just want understand what's happen when I use the python on Linux, and structures of files. And want to effectively maintaining server. :) |
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| 09:36.18 | babilen | bluesm: Generally speaking I would: 1. Use whatever is packaged by Debian for production systems (i.e. those systems that have to provide the service) 2. Develop in virtual environments and install/manage software with pip. See http://www.virtualenv.org/ and http://www.pip-installer.org/ for details. It makes sense to develop against the version that you will eventually run on (i.e. those in Debian stable). So install whatever you can with ... |
| 09:36.24 | babilen | ... apt-get and get the rest with pip in a virtualenv. |
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| 09:36.50 | babilen | bluesm: I also like http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ for managing virtualenvs |
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| 09:40.07 | bullgard4 | DeusEx: 'mysql> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON dbBegriffe2011 global TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTFIED BY '<myrootpassword>';' responds: "ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected." What's wrong in this syntax? |
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| 09:44.38 | adaro | bullgard4: type show databases to show all databases, then type use <database name> to switch to that database |
| 09:44.56 | adaro | oh wait |
| 09:45.07 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning guys |
| 09:45.26 | Hatori | evening guys |
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| 09:47.43 | adaro | bullgard4: "dbBegriffe2011 global" is wrong it should be database.table |
| 09:47.45 | adaro | with a dot |
| 09:47.53 | adaro | or database.* for all |
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| 09:53.11 | melissublime1 | i have install multiget. how can i download a mediafire rar file? i use chrome |
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| 09:56.57 | marian_ | Hi all, anybody knows when wheezy will be released as stable? I heard something about January... |
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| 09:57.39 | xand | marian_: when it's ready |
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| 09:59.03 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i need som info, anyone known if the default debian squeezy kernel and initrd file supports the root=/dev/net parameter on boot, i plan put one rootfs to remote linux debian boot on one freebsd diskless server, with gentoo this works fine?... |
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| 10:01.03 | Hatori | sould_of_root, read how to configure initrd |
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| 10:01.46 | SOUL_OF_R00T | but the kernel have be compiled with nfs root support |
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| 10:02.58 | Hatori | soul_of_root, if gentoo works, i think debian works too ... Mounting root was done on initrd image script |
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| 10:03.56 | SOUL_OF_R00T | ok i try it to put my other mix x86 amd64 network to work |
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| 10:07.24 | Zeeflo | Hello there |
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| 10:09.42 | bullgard4 | adaro: No luck. I obtain again »ERROR 1044 (42000): Access Denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'dbBegriffe2011'.« |
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| 10:10.51 | bullgard4 | adaro: I'll give up now. May be I'll get an aftermath sometime. |
| 10:11.34 | adaro | bullgard4: why are you assigning permissions to root btw, it already has all permissions |
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| 10:13.54 | bullgard4 | adaro: Because I obtain alway the response: "Access denied." |
| 10:14.00 | bullgard4 | +s |
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| 10:14.17 | adaro | bullgard4: then either you don't know the password or the password is blank |
| 10:14.35 | babilen | bullgard4: Do you specify the user you want to connect with? It doesn't look like it ... (the '' in ''@'localhost') |
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| 10:15.22 | bullgard4 | adaro: adaro I know the password. |
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| 10:16.03 | adaro | but if you try and switch to dbBegriffe2011 you get access denied ? |
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| 10:17.41 | xand | mysql -u root -p dbBegriffe2011 |
| 10:18.25 | Hatori | sorry bullgard4, are yoi working on local server? |
| 10:18.25 | Hatori | You |
| 10:18.25 | Hatori | hello |
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| 10:20.27 | bullgard4 | babilen: I entered: »GRANT ALL PRIVIEGES ON dbBegriffe.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<myrootpassword>';«. So you can clearly see the usernam, can't you. |
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| 10:21.20 | bullgard4 | +e |
| 10:21.49 | bullgard4 | Hatori: Yes. I am working on the local server. |
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| 10:22.39 | babilen | bullgard4: What do you do that causes the "»ERROR 1044 (42000): Access Denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'dbBegriffe2011'.«" error? Btw it is PRIVILEGES not PRIVIEGES, but the root should have all of them already |
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| 10:23.59 | xand | bullgard4: but root has access to everything. you weren't running mysql as the root user to begin with |
| 10:24.08 | xand | thus the blank username |
| 10:24.15 | babilen | bullgard4: How to you connect to the database? |
| 10:24.15 | xand | (not sure how you managed that) |
| 10:24.22 | babilen | xand: yeah :) |
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| 11:33.00 | camelcase_ | would it be a good idea to setup a productive rootserver with wheezy right now? |
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| 11:35.45 | camelcase_ | all folks afk??? |
| 11:36.11 | dios_mio | !grub-install |
| 11:36.11 | dpkg | See all that crap in grub-install Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead. |
| 11:36.24 | dios_mio | !update-grub |
| 11:36.25 | dpkg | update-grub is a magical Debian system for maintaining the <GRUB> menu automatically whenever kernel images are installed and removed (assuming they are built using make-kpkg as they should be). Also might want to man kernel-img.conf, and have a look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/grub , do 'zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz' |
| 11:37.17 | xand | dios_mio: it says in the file. |
| 11:37.23 | dios_mio | ooh sorry |
| 11:37.36 | dios_mio | yeah i am so stupid |
| 11:37.36 | dios_mio | thanks |
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| 11:39.06 | camelcase_ | would it be a good idea to setup a productive rootserver with wheezy right now? |
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| 11:42.53 | daemonkeeper | camelcase_: If you have to ask you shouldn't. |
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| 11:45.28 | camelcase_ | i'm expecting more problems upgrading from squeeze to wheezy in about 2 or 3 montg |
| 11:45.41 | camelcase_ | i'm expecting more problems upgrading from squeeze to wheezy in about 2 or 3 month than installing testing right now |
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| 11:50.58 | leo-unglaub | hey, i just found an error in the debian devel installer. where do i report that bug? |
| 11:51.09 | leo-unglaub | is there a special bug tracker for the installer? |
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| 12:00.21 | retnan | can u tell me where am wrong... registrar says invalid nameserver. but i have bind9 runing on my VPS |
| 12:00.44 | JPT | invalid nameserver can mean a lot of things |
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| 12:02.25 | daemonkeeper | In particular since bind needs a configuration for feeling authoritative for a zone. |
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| 12:03.10 | melissublime1 | hi friends |
| 12:03.28 | melissublime1 | i have installd axel and it don't download from mediafire |
| 12:03.59 | melissublime1 | it say Server unsupported, starting from scratch with one connection what should i do? |
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| 12:07.25 | retnan | daemonkeeper: so u think i should revisit my config file |
| 12:07.50 | melissublime1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:09.41 | daemonkeeper | retnan: use dig from dnsutils and look if your NS answers as expected. |
| 12:09.59 | melissublime1 | please someone help me |
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| 12:25.23 | klausl | Hello! |
| 12:25.47 | klausl | Who can help me? |
| 12:25.50 | klausl | I am new! |
| 12:26.24 | bassliner | klausl: i can only show you the door, neo, you're the one that has to walk through it. |
| 12:26.25 | benben159 | :) |
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| 12:27.06 | klausl | bassliner: Who can help me then? |
| 12:27.10 | gnugr | klausl:just ask and soon you'll get an answer |
| 12:27.22 | klausl | gnugr: Only german! |
| 12:27.41 | bassliner | klausl: you have to ask a few more times. |
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| 12:27.49 | xand | !de |
| 12:27.50 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 12:27.53 | bassliner | klausl: we only help people who asked for help at least 3 times. |
| 12:27.56 | gnugr | klausl:English only here |
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| 12:28.25 | klausl | gnugr: I am from Austria! I can`t speak english! |
| 12:28.44 | sKeiths | I upgraded squeeze to wheezy yesterday. When i goto system settings network, if complains that 'the system network services are not compatible with this version' |
| 12:28.45 | gnugr | klausl:then try #debian-de |
| 12:28.50 | xand | klausl: you are speaking english. and join the german channel. |
| 12:28.52 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 12:29.53 | klausl | moment! This the german channel? |
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| 12:30.18 | xand | are you trolling? |
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| 12:30.41 | jelly-home | xand: that question never gets a positive answer |
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| 12:32.05 | alexj | hello! I have a debian 6 stable installed with gnome-shell (default) |
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| 12:32.41 | bassliner | alexj: ...and...? |
| 12:32.55 | alexj | when I open gnome-terminal, the window that aperrs doesn't have the alt meniu (File, Edit, View etc.) |
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| 12:33.41 | alexj | why is that? |
| 12:34.45 | bassliner | alexj: that is a gnome-specific question and should be asked in #gnome instead. |
| 12:34.58 | alexj | ok, thanks |
| 12:34.58 | bassliner | alexj: but that is very likely a thing you can easily configure. |
| 12:35.08 | bassliner | alexj: i'm not a gnome-user so i can't say. |
| 12:35.17 | alexj | where? in the new gnome-shell I can't find anything |
| 12:35.24 | Coweater | alexj: just right click on the terminal window, should be a show menubar option |
| 12:35.46 | alexj | : |
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| 12:35.55 | alexj | :| that is so non intuitive :( |
| 12:36.00 | bassliner | hehe |
| 12:36.36 | Coweater | i thought it was visible by default, but lots of people work from keyboard commands in a terminal so a menu would be unnecesarry |
| 12:37.14 | bassliner | nothing wrong with asking questions like this i think, it often happens that you just don't see the woods while you're hiding in the trees in linux. |
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| 12:38.02 | alexj | soneone who is sitting next to me that also has debian6, has that menu |
| 12:38.47 | klausl | Thanks! |
| 12:39.13 | sKeiths | is it possible to return to reverse full-upgrade back to squeeze? |
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| 12:42.03 | retnan_ | daemonkeeper: the additional section of my dig request is empty, could it be the reason |
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| 12:48.13 | tremon | !tell sKeiths about downgrade |
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| 12:52.43 | melissublime1 | not just axel but wget and multiget didn't download mediafire files |
| 12:52.51 | melissublime1 | not even aria2 |
| 12:52.58 | frikinz | jdownloader? |
| 12:54.18 | melissublime1 | ii havn't try jdownloader |
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| 12:55.12 | melissublime1 | i think if wget.aria2,axel.multiget couldn't do this problem isn't the download manager |
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| 12:55.43 | user210 | Hi! Is there any way to install any distro from image (.iso) without burning to disc/extract to usb? (Only copy iso image) |
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| 12:56.30 | melissublime1 | no one here download mediafire files? |
| 12:57.14 | user210 | ? |
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| 12:58.57 | frikinz | melissublime1: we don't know |
| 12:59.50 | melissublime1 | ok thanx |
| 12:59.56 | melissublime1 | :-( |
| 13:00.59 | tremon | !tell user210 about usb install |
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| 13:01.43 | benben159 | user201 try unetbootin |
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| 13:03.42 | sKeiths | I fixed my network issue. aptitude install network-manager installed the missing component |
| 13:05.03 | sKeiths | I think I can now get rid of the long network cable. :) |
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| 13:07.20 | DieGuiTo | hello |
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| 13:07.45 | sKeiths | why did full-upgrade remove my wicd if it wasn't going to install network-manager automatically.. |
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| 13:08.28 | DieGuiTo | friends Someone can say to me where I obtain shell gratis |
| 13:08.37 | DieGuiTo | friends Someone can say to me where I obtain shell free |
| 13:08.54 | dvs | sKeiths, wicd is not supported upstream anymore |
| 13:09.32 | DieGuiTo | ??????? |
| 13:10.24 | DieGuiTo | friends Someone can say to me where I obtain shell free |
| 13:10.26 | DieGuiTo | friends Someone can say to me where I obtain shell free |
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| 13:10.56 | cinka_ | hi |
| 13:11.06 | sKeiths | dvs. what does not supported upstream mean. |
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| 13:11.27 | dvs | sKeiths, The original developer are not working on wicd anymore |
| 13:11.48 | sKeiths | so, its been removed from aptitude? |
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| 13:12.34 | sKeiths | i'm not complaining, i just dont understand the terminology |
| 13:12.36 | dvs | sKeiths, it is no longer in Debian 7.0 but still available in 6.0 |
| 13:13.29 | sKeiths | thanks dvs. now i understand what happened. |
| 13:14.05 | dvs | ,v wicd |
| 13:14.06 | judd | Package: wicd on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3; sid: 1.7.2.4-2; wheezy: 1.7.2.4-2 |
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| 13:15.44 | JimLesta | I can't install libreoffice 3.6.2 (I got the installer from libreoffice site) I got an error: install libreoffice 3.6 and than update, google is not helping. |
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| 13:16.19 | cinka_ | why from their site? just install by apt-get :o ? |
| 13:17.01 | JimLesta | no, from their site |
| 13:17.31 | JimLesta | ok, let me search the sources |
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| 13:20.39 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm working on a cronjob which checkes whether an application has enough instances, when it does not the application is restarted and an echo is printer, now shouldn't that echo be mailed when I correctly set the MAILTO option? |
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| 13:35.53 | orl | Hi! |
| 13:36.17 | orl | I'm having a problem with grub2 in SID, remember to have already had this one, but can't remember how I fixed it: |
| 13:36.25 | orl | /usr/sbin/grub-probe : erreur : cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?). |
| 13:36.42 | orl | (that's the message the dist-upgrade finished with) |
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| 13:36.56 | cinka_ | from fun |
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| 13:37.12 | orl | and actually, I get it as soon as I run grub-install /dev/sd[put here the number you want, it doesn't matter) |
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| 13:38.30 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, is /dev mounted and does the output of "mount" correspond with the actual /boot (or / if you don't have /boot) mountpoint? |
| 13:39.08 | orl | blubberdiblub: this quesiton "is /Dev mounted" I never understood it really well |
| 13:39.22 | orl | but actually /boot is mounted at the right place, and mount outputs things that looks fine |
| 13:39.35 | orl | (or at least usual to me) |
| 13:39.51 | blubberdiblub | orl, is that inside a chroot? |
| 13:39.55 | orl | no |
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| 13:40.11 | orl | blubberdiblub: my usual system |
| 13:40.41 | orl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.03 | orl | but nothing else, no LVM, nothing but something really usual (except me administrating it!) |
| 13:41.20 | blubberdiblub | the question is if that what "mount" says for /boot is an actual device inside /dev/ |
| 13:41.49 | orl | ok |
| 13:42.02 | orl | yes it is |
| 13:42.03 | orl | /dev/sdb16 on /boot type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
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| 13:42.33 | blubberdiblub | does it agree with "cat /proc/mounts" ? |
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| 13:42.48 | orl | blubberdiblub: yes |
| 13:43.03 | blubberdiblub | then i don't know |
| 13:43.20 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok, thank you, though! |
| 13:43.33 | orl | actually, I remember having a hard time last time it happened |
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| 13:44.17 | babilen | orl: Could you paste the output of "mount" along with that of "update-grub2" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:44.26 | orl | and actually, I remember also to have thought at one time that a disk was down, but finally not, and have done much crappy stuff |
| 13:45.08 | orl | babilen: mount: http://paste.debian.net/197295/ |
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| 13:45.53 | orl | babilen: output of update-grub2 I cannot paste it to paste.debian.org cause two lines only: |
| 13:45.56 | orl | $> update-grub2 |
| 13:45.57 | orl | /usr/sbin/grub-probe : erreur : cannot find a device for /boot (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 13:47.41 | Guest69377 | Hi there. I did buy an Acer Aspire V5, installed the Debian but the wireless drivers as also the audio drivers are not installed. Any ideas how to install them ? I don't even know how to get the full description of the hardware. |
| 13:48.03 | orl | Guest69377: for full desdcription lspci |
| 13:48.06 | babilen | orl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669946 probably |
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| 13:48.19 | orl | and for full description with more verbosity: lspci -v |
| 13:48.20 | babilen | orl: Do you run apt-listbugs (and apt-listchanges) |
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| 13:48.36 | orl | babilen: yeah, and had nothing about grub, os-prober or whatever in it |
| 13:48.44 | orl | I'm going to read the bug report |
| 13:48.44 | babilen | Guest69377: Could you paste "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:49.12 | babilen | orl: Looks like your bug report :) |
| 13:49.26 | orl | babilen: yeah, it's mine! |
| 13:49.36 | orl | Guest69377: as far as sound is concerned, it's probably a matter of intel hda audio cards |
| 13:50.02 | babilen | orl: Ok, so ... what happened in the meanwhile? |
| 13:50.09 | orl | you've got to look for your model and paste the correct option in /etc/alsa/alsa-base.conf (iirc) |
| 13:50.50 | orl | babilen: hmmmm, nothing, I added a new kernel several days ago (rt-branch), but nothing more |
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| 13:51.09 | orl | babilen: I've got a hd with smart data telling me this is the end, but it's /dev/sda |
| 13:51.34 | Guest69377 | prl what that means ? |
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| 13:52.35 | orl | Guest69377: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53708 |
| 13:53.06 | orl | I guess reading (and applying) this should resolve your sound problem (but first check with lspci whether you've got an intel hda audio chip) |
| 13:53.24 | orl | Guest69377: and you should paste what babilen asked you to paste.debian.net |
| 13:53.58 | orl | babilen: in the meanwhile I did a lot of upgrades without any problem, but that might be the first one with grub changes in it |
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| 13:54.55 | RLa | anyone using amazon glacier to backup their data? |
| 13:55.08 | RLa | i wonder what tools are available |
| 13:55.37 | orl | babilen: and as for this time, /boot was correctly mounted |
| 13:55.57 | orl | babilen: I think I begin to remember, there was something about mknod, or something like this |
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| 13:57.02 | orl | I made this with people on this channel, and actually I didn't deeply understand what I did then, so I couldn't tell exactly why, but there was something about an entry point to the FS missing |
| 13:57.07 | blubberdiblub | orl, is that a non-udev system? |
| 13:57.47 | orl | blubberdiblub: I don't think so, but it could be, how can I check this? |
| 13:58.02 | orl | I don't think so, still, I've some udev rules in /Etc |
| 13:58.07 | orl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.24 | blubberdiblub | yeah, and /dev is a tmpfs, so it's udev-based |
| 13:58.34 | Guest69377 | http://paste.debian.net/197298/ |
| 13:58.34 | orl | yeah, I think so |
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| 13:58.58 | Guest69377 | Sorry the waiting, but Debian is in the other pc with no internet connection |
| 13:59.39 | orl | Guest69377: OK, for audio, my assumptions were true, so you will get audio working by following the link I gave you |
| 13:59.59 | Guest69377 | And for the wireless ? |
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| 14:00.43 | orl | Guest69377: for WiFi, I never use it (it cooks your brains, if you ask me), but I know there several things with non-free driver for those devices |
| 14:00.53 | orl | it might be a route to follow |
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| 14:01.15 | orl | but it means using non-free software... (if I'm right, which is not sure) |
| 14:01.57 | Guest69377 | Hmmm. |
| 14:02.19 | sney | broadcom nics normally require non-free components and are not very good even when they work |
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| 14:04.13 | orl | Guest69377: so you should add non-free to your sources.list, and probably use that non-free driver tool (can't remember its name, joker or something like this), it's the easiest way |
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| 14:04.31 | orl | but Virtual Richard M Stallman won't be proud of you! |
| 14:04.34 | orl | :p |
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| 14:04.57 | jelly-home | ,i vrms |
| 14:04.58 | judd | Package vrms (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.15; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: http://vrms.alioth.debian.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/vrms |
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| 14:05.54 | jelly-home | (good luck picking wifi hardware that works well and does NOT need non-free firmware) |
| 14:06.03 | orl | Guest69377: you also might use electrical socket adapter (in french CPL, but I don't know in english), and keep your brainsand protein out of cook-hazard! |
| 14:06.07 | sney | jelly-home: (ath9k/ath5k) |
| 14:07.05 | orl | are the discussions on this channel logged somewhere? I might find back the discussions I had that lead me to the solution in April |
| 14:07.31 | jelly-home | !logs |
| 14:07.31 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 14:07.36 | jelly-home | !irclog |
| 14:07.36 | dpkg | [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://thegrebs.com/irc/ |
| 14:07.48 | jelly-home | orl: you are on freenode right now. |
| 14:08.04 | orl | jelly-home: thanks I was wondering what the keywords would be! |
| 14:08.59 | blubberdiblub | orl, when you've found it, can you point us to it or tell us the answer, please? |
| 14:09.49 | orl | blubberdiblub: sure I will, cause I'm pretty sure not to be able to understand it once more!! ;) |
| 14:09.55 | orl | (at first read, at least) |
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| 14:20.22 | Guest69377 | orl i did iwconfig and it said " No wireless extensions "... |
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| 14:20.52 | Guest69377 | Is this normal, at least it shouldn't recognize the hardware |
| 14:21.08 | Guest69377 | should* |
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| 14:21.25 | orl | Guest69377: I don't know, about Wireless, I don't know really much |
| 14:21.35 | orl | but if the firmware is not loaded, it might not detect it |
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| 14:33.01 | orl | blubberdiblub: hard to scan log files!!!! long-time job |
| 14:33.31 | blubberdiblub | orl, helps when you remember your nickname. so you can grep or Strg+F or something ;) |
| 14:34.09 | orl | blubberdiblub: that's what I'm doing right now, but day after day, cause I'm not sure exactly when I was on it! |
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| 14:46.30 | gits1225 | "CD1 without a network mirror isn't sufficient to install a full desktop environment." |
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| 14:46.46 | gits1225 | Does that mean, internet should be on when installing wheezy? |
| 14:46.52 | oops | When I press PrntSc in the login screen, where does the screenshot get saved? |
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| 14:47.47 | gits1225 | In gnome and KDE, the screenshot utility gets activated automatically, doesn't it? |
| 14:47.47 | damacus | gits1225: or that you need to download more CDs and/or switch to DVDs |
| 14:48.09 | gits1225 | damacus: So, just having the internet on will do then? |
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| 14:48.14 | abrotman | gits1225: yes |
| 14:48.16 | damacus | yep |
| 14:48.17 | gits1225 | k |
| 14:48.21 | oops | I am using GNOME 3 |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | and CD1 is 'sufficient' depending on your needs |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | oops: i'd guess your desktop |
| 14:48.45 | damacus | well, if he's at the login screen |
| 14:48.51 | damacus | possibly nothing will happen |
| 14:48.51 | oops | normally, a screenshot inside a session, creates the screenshot at ~/Pictures/Screenshot from <date>.png |
| 14:48.57 | orl | blubberdiblub: do you think there might be a way to scan more "automatically" this logs? |
| 14:48.59 | oops | but I am taking the screenshot before logging in |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | oops: let me look |
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| 14:49.04 | oops | damacus: so whose desktop? |
| 14:49.14 | damacus | i doubt its even bound |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | oops: oh, you took it during GDM ? |
| 14:49.17 | damacus | yes. |
| 14:49.21 | blubberdiblub | orl: wget them, gunzip them, grep them? |
| 14:49.48 | oops | abrotman: /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart; then I took screenshot before logging in |
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| 14:50.07 | oops | i pressed PrtSc and heard the camera sound that gnome3 plays when I take a screenshot |
| 14:50.10 | oops | but I don't know where the screenshot went |
| 14:50.10 | abrotman | oops: find / -name "Screenshot*" ? |
| 14:50.17 | damacus | oops: you could try shelling in and import -window root -display :0.0 -screen /tmp/0.png |
| 14:50.17 | blubberdiblub | orl, unfortunately i deleted my own old logs at some point ... |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | oops: gdm runs as root though, right ? |
| 14:50.37 | orl | blubberdiblub: OK, that's what I was thinking about, but I thought there might be something easier |
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| 14:50.40 | orl | let's go |
| 14:50.55 | Guest69377 | What is the command to install a .deb in the same directory as i am in the terminal ? |
| 14:51.00 | gits1225 | since its gnome 3, you might have to search in extensions for the previously avaialabe screenshot utiltiy. |
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| 14:51.02 | abrotman | Guest69377: man dpkg |
| 14:51.10 | gits1225 | I mean, to make it more easier. |
| 14:51.32 | abrotman | that doesn't .. make sense? |
| 14:52.18 | gits1225 | mmm, in gnome 2, when you press PrtScn, the screenshot utility gets activated asking you to "where to save and stuff" |
| 14:52.26 | gits1225 | I don't think its the same as in gnome 3. |
| 14:52.35 | orl | Guest69377: dpkg -i (in root), but you've got to be sure to know what you're doing |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | gits1225: he's taking the screenshot at GDM3 .. not inside gnome |
| 14:52.36 | oops | damacus: I get the error "Unable to open display 0.0" |
| 14:52.44 | gits1225 | oh, my bad. |
| 14:52.54 | orl | Guest69377: why not using apt-get, aptitude or synaptic? |
| 14:53.06 | damacus | oops: try running with sudo |
| 14:53.27 | damacus | also you can try getting rid of the .0 |
| 14:53.58 | oops | damacus: I am running it as root already |
| 14:55.34 | oops | damacus: didn't help |
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| 14:56.55 | oops | abrotman: I thought gdm runs as Debian-gdm user |
| 14:57.15 | pzn | I have a small hardware (i386 compatible) for field usage... battery sometimes just dies... which is good filesystem to handle with unexpected power problems? |
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| 14:58.30 | Guest69377 | orl because i want to install a package that i believe it contains my wireless driver. But nothing changes when i try to install it manually. If i install it through the shell as a root i think it will be installed . |
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| 14:59.21 | oops | abrotman: did find / -name "Screenshot*" - Seems like the screenshot wasn't saved anywhere |
| 14:59.31 | oops | so I need to learn how to take a screenshot of the login window |
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| 14:59.56 | orl | Guest69377: installing manually means apt-get? |
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| 15:00.44 | jair | can you run virtual box in debian together with other virtualization software like vmware workstation? I wonder if anyone has done that in squeeze? |
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| 15:02.06 | babilen | Guest69377: Please show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 15:02.26 | orl | babilen: it was given several lines above |
| 15:02.44 | orl | http://paste.debian.net/197298/ |
| 15:02.57 | babilen | orl: That's not "lspci -nn" |
| 15:03.04 | orl | babilen, ah, ok, sorry |
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| 15:03.36 | orl | babilen: kids awoken, I'll get back later, but actually, didn't find much trace of me (several though) in the logs from 22nd of April to 19th of May! |
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| 15:04.48 | Guest69377 | 03:00.0 network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corpration Device [14e4:4359] |
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| 15:04.58 | Guest69377 | babilen |
| 15:05.05 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4359 |
| 15:05.06 | judd | [14e4:4359] is 'BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4359 |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | ick |
| 15:05.32 | imgx64 | How do I install a system without X? I used the netist CD, turned installer priority to low, unchecked the graphical desktop environment, and still got X. |
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| 15:05.37 | babilen | !bcm43228 |
| 15:05.37 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43228 (PCI ID 14e4:4359) is an 802.11a/n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, found in the Dell Latitude E5520m. Supported by the vendor driver since version 5.100.82.38 (available in wheezy), ask me about <wl>. |
| 15:05.51 | abrotman | imgx64: how did you get X ? |
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| 15:06.24 | imgx64 | abrotman: new installation, it has X. |
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| 15:06.39 | abrotman | imgx64: you mean it runs Xorg, or has some X libraries? |
| 15:07.01 | Guest69377 | judd are you trying to say that this new netbook that i did buy yesterday only for using debian doesn't have wireless driver ? |
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| 15:07.45 | blubberdiblub | Guest69377, judd is a bot |
| 15:07.53 | babilen | Guest69377: You need wl from wheezy (testing) -- You can probably backport broadcom-sta-dkms from wheezy (/msg dpkg ssb) and install it after having installed a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Another option would be to upgrade to testing as detailed in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
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| 15:08.48 | babilen | Guest69377: Yes, essentially that wireless card is horribly supported on Linux. There is a proprietary driver, but broadcom is, well, not really the best choice for wireless adaptors that you expect to use with Linux. |
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| 15:09.48 | imgx64 | abrotman, I have "xserver-xorg" package installed. |
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| 15:09.58 | Guest69377 | babilen this is the second time i'm using linux, i need something more for introduction. I have no ideia what you're trying to say. I need step by step. |
| 15:10.08 | abrotman | imgx64: so remove it |
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| 15:10.23 | abrotman | imgx64: i'm not sure what options you picked when you installed, but you can remove that and see what else it removes |
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| 15:11.38 | babilen | Guest69377: Ok, when did you install that box? |
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| 15:13.01 | babilen | Guest69377: Well, essentially you can try two things but I consider both to be suboptimal and therefore can't really recommend one over the other. The first approach is to stick with the stable release (squeeze) and update selected components, namely the Linux kernel and the proprietary driver for you card. |
| 15:13.28 | imgx64 | ooh, I see. The virtualbox packages pulled Xorg. |
| 15:14.07 | babilen | Guest69377: To be honest I am also not 100% sure if that will work, but it will most probably work fine. |
| 15:14.10 | babilen | Guest69377: The second approach is to upgrade to testing (wheezy) which is a development branch of Debian and therefore not really the best choice for a newcomer. |
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| 15:14.30 | abrotman | imgx64: there you go ... |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | imgx64: though, there should be like a vbox-nox or something |
| 15:14.43 | Guest69377 | Yeah, i prefer to stay with the first one. |
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| 15:15.00 | Guest69377 | Could you tell me step by step of what do i have to do ? |
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| 15:15.46 | babilen | Guest69377: Ok, fair enough. The first thing for you to do is to enable backports in /etc/apt/sources.list by adding "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to it and running "apt-get update" |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | imgx64: oh, the main package pulls in all sorts of stuff, you're going to have to be more selective |
| 15:15.55 | babilen | Guest69377: (cf. http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/) |
| 15:16.07 | babilen | Guest69377: Did you install amd64 or i386? |
| 15:16.56 | babilen | Guest69377: And do you know *how* to add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:16.57 | Guest69377 | amd64 |
| 15:18.25 | Guest69377 | Not sure something like... |
| 15:18.32 | Guest69377 | # http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 15:18.35 | Guest69377 | ? |
| 15:18.41 | Guest69377 | in etc/.... |
| 15:18.48 | babilen | Guest69377: No :) |
| 15:19.17 | Guest69377 | I have no idea then. |
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| 15:21.54 | babilen | Guest69377: There is a file /etc/apt/sources.list in which you configure the repositories. You have to edit that file as root. So, become root with "su" (enter your root password) and use "nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list" to edit it. Add the line I mentioned above in there and use CTRL-W to write the file and then CTRL-X to exit. Finish it by running "apt-get update" |
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| 15:22.25 | Kiril | hello guys |
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| 15:22.33 | babilen | Guest69377: To be honest: I think it is a better idea for you to install wheezy .... You need to upgrade a bunch of software for your hardware and I can see that it is going to be tricky for you. |
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| 15:22.50 | babilen | Guest69377: I have to leave soon so I will just describe both approaches, ok? |
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| 15:23.12 | Kiril | i've got this version installed |
| 15:23.12 | Kiril | http://paste2.org/p/2311190 |
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| 15:23.31 | Kiril | what i have to do to upgrade to latest stable ( 6.0.6 ) |
| 15:23.48 | lynks | im getting the dreaded 'cant trust you' message when trying to log into pure-ftpd as www-data. minuid is set to 0, www-data has shell /bin/bash in passwd, pam auth is off, unix auth is on. is there something im missing? |
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| 15:24.28 | oops | import -window root -display :0.0 -screen /tmp/0.png -- I'm trying to take the screenshot of my GNOME3 session from tty1. But, this command is taking the screenshot of the active window only. I want it to take the screenshot of the entire window. How can I do it? |
| 15:24.49 | Guest69377 | and which is the difference between both ? if i install wheezy i will not have this problems ? |
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| 15:25.22 | babilen | Guest69377: No you won't but you might/will have others due to it not being stable |
| 15:25.32 | lynks | oops; from my fluxbox config: [exec] (Screenshot) {import -pause 1 -window root ~/temp/screenshot.bmp} |
| 15:25.49 | babilen | Guest69377: The first approach continues by running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree". You then have to reboot into the kernel and follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" (an IRC command, enter it here in the chat) to backport the broadcom-sta-dkms package. You start at step 3 and just replace "packagename" with "broadcom-sta-dkms" |
| 15:26.12 | abrotman | Kiril: aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 15:26.14 | lynks | oops; yours looks fine, but at least you know theres a working example |
| 15:27.30 | oops | lynks: that doesn't work too. |
| 15:27.37 | oops | lynks: it takes the screenshot of the active window only. |
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| 15:27.50 | babilen | Guest69377: Install the newly backported packages with "dpkg -i the_backported.deb" and reboot. I would also recommend to uprade Xorg by running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx" ... You will be shown a warning/information thingie that informs you about the kernel version which is OK and can be skipped/exited with "q" |
| 15:27.55 | oops | lynks: if I try my command as well as your command from gnome-terminal running in my gnome3 session, then I get the complete screenshot |
| 15:28.04 | oops | lynks: but not when I run the command from tty1 |
| 15:28.13 | oops | I want to get the complete screenshot of my gnome3 session from tty1 |
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| 15:28.22 | Kiril | abrotman |
| 15:28.27 | lynks | oops: might be some weird permissions problem then, tried as root? |
| 15:28.40 | babilen | Guest69377: Ok, that's the first approach. Once you've done that you have upgraded a few key components to much newer versions ... It is a lot of work and I am not 100% sure that it will result in a working wireless adaptor. (I'm quite sure though) |
| 15:28.53 | oops | lynks: with 'root', I get the error "Cannot open display 0.0" |
| 15:28.54 | Kiril | how should looks source.list ? |
| 15:29.11 | Kiril | http://paste2.org/p/2311208 |
| 15:29.12 | abrotman | !tell Kiril about squeeze sources.list |
| 15:29.37 | lynks | oops: of course, its not a root session! im not sure of the answer :( |
| 15:29.49 | Kiril | abrotman see the link |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | Kiril: you sohuldn't be using ftp.debian.org, but otherwise, looks fine |
| 15:30.04 | babilen | Guest69377: The second approach is to download http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install wheezy. What you have to do after the installation is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free" at the end of each "deb" line. (or make sure you enable those in expert mode during the installation). You can then run "apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms" to install the wireless drivers. |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | Kiril: also, s/stable/squeeze/ on your first line |
| 15:30.16 | babilen | Guest69377: As you can see the second approach is a little bit easier. |
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| 15:30.46 | Kiril | abrotman, what i should change ? |
| 15:30.51 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | the bot also told you |
| 15:31.19 | babilen | Guest69377: Unfortunately wheezy is not done and finished and you have to take care of it. If you come here when you have problems you will be fine, just make sure you install "apt-listbugs" and "apt-listchanges" and *do not* install packages with serious bugs. (Hold them with "p" when apt-listbugs asks you) |
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| 15:31.31 | babilen | Guest69377: Was that understandable enough? |
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| 15:31.56 | Guest69377 | I'm applying just a sec |
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| 15:41.24 | Guest69377 | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:41.59 | Guest69377 | When i run this command it says Unable to locate package linux-headers-amd64 |
| 15:42.41 | Guest69377 | the samething for # firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:43.21 | themill | did you add backports to your sources.list and then run "apt-get update"? |
| 15:43.30 | Guest69377 | Yep |
| 15:44.01 | imgx64 | Is there any advantage to running an amd64 virtual machine over i386? |
| 15:44.17 | abrotman | it's your VM |
| 15:44.34 | themill | Guest69377: what architecture do you have installed? (dpkg --print-architecture) |
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| 15:45.05 | Guest69377 | Wait the backports is not in the source.list. I don't know why, i saved it |
| 15:45.07 | Guest69377 | Just a sec |
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| 15:46.30 | imgx64 | well, are amd64 VMs faster? |
| 15:47.36 | engla | faster for what? Which VM platform etc etc |
| 15:49.01 | Guest69377 | themill it says the samething and now i confirm that the link is in the source-list |
| 15:49.31 | engla | Guest69377: check apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:49.35 | imgx64 | engla: in general. With an amd64 host, will amd64 vm always be faster than an i386 vm? or are there cases the latter will be faster? |
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| 15:49.58 | boudiccas | Guest69377, in that case you've done it wrong, it must be /etc/a[t/sources.list and npy source.list |
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| 15:50.15 | boudiccas | apt |
| 15:51.02 | Guest69377 | it says " Installed: (none) |
| 15:51.07 | themill | !show sources.list Guest69377 |
| 15:51.07 | Guest69377 | Is this what you need ? |
| 15:51.07 | dpkg | Guest69377: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 16:00.11 | Kiril | abrotman, after: aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 16:00.15 | Kiril | reboot ? |
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| 16:02.35 | babilen | Guest69377: Could you run the command in the factoid themill just had shown to you and paste the result to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:04.34 | montreux | Hi, does anyone use modem [usb:19d2:0167] ONDA Communication S.p.A. ? It's gsm mdem |
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| 16:05.19 | abrotman | guess he re booted |
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| 16:12.17 | dfgfhjfjg | http://paste.debian.net/197355/ |
| 16:12.36 | dfgfhjfjg | It doesn't have nothing inside of the source list.d |
| 16:12.52 | dfgfhjfjg | It's me, Guest |
| 16:13.27 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: Check line 14 -- That one is incorrect and need to be changed to "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 16:14.52 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: You want http://paste.debian.net/197358/ |
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| 16:16.48 | dfgfhjfjg | root@Debian-PC:/home/shinigami/Desktop# apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree root@Debian-PC:/home/shinigami/Desktop# |
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| 16:17.06 | dfgfhjfjg | I already did the apt-get update |
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| 16:18.03 | dfgfhjfjg | Now i tried the next command and it says unable to locate... |
| 16:18.51 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: did you change you sources.list to the one I pasted? |
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| 16:19.15 | anddam | is there a list of available backports? |
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| 16:19.34 | anddam | http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ shows the search form |
| 16:20.31 | anddam | also the search seems broken, "py" will give pysieved as results but no python-babel or python-beautifulsoup |
| 16:21.35 | engla | anddam: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
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| 16:21.48 | engla | linked from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/ |
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| 16:23.33 | alesan | hi I have installed some graphica applicaton on a server installation by mistake. it pulled the whole X, gnome, all sorts of unnecessary stuff |
| 16:23.35 | dfgfhjfjg | I can't copy the text |
| 16:23.47 | dfgfhjfjg | -.- |
| 16:23.57 | alesan | now I have uninstalled that app (qtcreator) but all the X stuff and libraries are still there and I am running short of disk space |
| 16:23.59 | anddam | engla: thanks |
| 16:24.04 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok, back on mu quest! |
| 16:24.06 | alesan | how can I uninstall all the stuff? |
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| 16:24.17 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: Why not? |
| 16:24.46 | dfgfhjfjg | That's what i would like to know |
| 16:24.47 | anddam | I was searching for python 2.7 without going wheezy |
| 16:25.09 | anddam | it seems there's no ptyhon2.7 backport |
| 16:25.28 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: Well, select it with your mouse and press the middle mouse button to paste it. |
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| 16:25.57 | dfgfhjfjg | I already did that |
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| 16:26.02 | dfgfhjfjg | Doesn't work |
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| 16:26.31 | dfgfhjfjg | Well i'm going to try to install the other version |
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| 16:26.59 | dfgfhjfjg | It's not possible to do the upgrade to the other version instead of formating and install it all over again ? |
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| 16:28.07 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: Ok - Run "wget http://paste.debian.net/plain/197358 -O sources.list ; mv sources.list /etc/apt/" as root. |
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| 16:28.40 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: You can also upgrade to the new version from your current installation, but you have to edit your sources.list for that as well. It is details in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 16:28.46 | babilen | *detailed |
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| 16:39.54 | anddam | would a python2.7 backport conflict with python2.6? |
| 16:40.14 | orl | blubberdiblub: seems to be in the 2012-04-26 logs |
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| 16:41.26 | babilen | dfgfhjfjg: Figured it out now? Did you run the last command I gave you? |
| 16:42.21 | blubberdiblub | orl, okay, thanks, i'll look it up when i've finished dinner ;) |
| 16:42.34 | orl | blubberdiblub: thanks a lot |
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| 16:42.44 | orl | blubberdiblub: it began around 8:13 |
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| 16:43.21 | orl | themill: hi! |
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| 16:43.38 | orl | remember me (probably not), had a problem with grub2 and partitions several monthes ago |
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| 16:43.50 | orl | looked like a grub2 bug, but not sure of it |
| 16:43.54 | orl | well, it's back |
| 16:44.08 | orl | I'm reading the logs of our conversation right now to remember how we solved this |
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| 16:48.34 | anddam | is the hostname correct in deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free ? |
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| 16:48.43 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok, the very same, my /dev/sdb16 disappear of /dev, though mounted (as you might have seen in the pastes before) |
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| 16:49.25 | orl | babilen: take a look at my sentence above, that's the point I had last time, the partitions isn't present in /dev |
| 16:50.15 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, for a quick fix, create the device node |
| 16:50.30 | babilen | orl: I can grep my logs ... one second. |
| 16:50.36 | blubberdiblub | orl, but for a long term solution, you'll have to find out why it disappears |
| 16:50.44 | orl | blubberdiblub: yeah for sure |
| 16:51.04 | orl | but I must admit it's way above what I'm able to do/comprehend |
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| 16:51.49 | blubberdiblub | orl, it may have to do with 16 being too "large", somehow. just a wild guess, tho |
| 16:51.56 | orl | blubberdiblub: I've got an sdb15 and an sdb17, but no sdb16... really weird... anyhow |
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| 16:52.20 | orl | and as last time, cat /proc/partitions lists /deb/sdb16 |
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| 16:52.42 | orl | and fdisk -l too |
| 16:52.45 | orl | the very same problem |
| 16:52.46 | babilen | orl: I found it -- Do you still need the logs? |
| 16:52.49 | anddam | note to self: yes it is |
| 16:53.08 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, the output of /proc/partitions has got nothing to do with the contents of /dev/ |
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| 16:53.22 | blubberdiblub | orl, not directly at least |
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| 16:53.49 | blubberdiblub | orl, it usually corresponds for obvious reasons, tho ;) |
| 16:53.49 | orl | babilen: no I got them right now under my eyes |
| 16:53.55 | babilen | orl: Ack |
| 16:53.58 | LittleFoot | any1 have experience configuring custom xorg |
| 16:54.08 | babilen | LittleFoot: No, and neither should you |
| 16:54.09 | LittleFoot | for 1 mon 1 projector |
| 16:54.12 | babilen | !tell LittleFoot -about empty xorg.conf |
| 16:54.13 | orl | blubberdiblub: yeah, for sure, and on my machines, it sometimes doesn't correspond for less obvious reasons! |
| 16:54.17 | babilen | !tell LittleFoot -about xorg.conf.d |
| 16:54.24 | LittleFoot | babilen, STOP! |
| 16:54.53 | babilen | stops everything (yes, even time) |
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| 16:55.04 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, it sounds like a udev bug to me. you could try using fewer partitions |
| 16:55.11 | orl | LittleFoot: I do, but it's not useful anymore, I guess |
| 16:55.20 | LittleFoot | orl i need help |
| 16:55.23 | orl | blubberdiblub: oh, yes, I should try.... |
| 16:55.24 | mfblackmail69 | hi all |
| 16:55.27 | LittleFoot | i have a korean mon |
| 16:55.30 | babilen | LittleFoot: A lot of people have experience with writing a xorg.conf. You might want to ask your real question though. |
| 16:55.32 | LittleFoot | w no EDID |
| 16:55.55 | mfblackmail69 | i wanted to change from mbox to maildir but mail still reads from /var/mail. any suggestions? |
| 16:56.15 | mfblackmail69 | i edited /etc/mail.rc |
| 16:56.15 | LittleFoot | so i have a custom monitor section with a bin file |
| 16:56.16 | blubberdiblub | orl, what drives do you have? /dev/sda and /dev/sdb only? |
| 16:56.17 | orl | blubberdiblub: how could I check whether it's a udev bug? |
| 16:56.20 | Armand | LittleFoot, there are plenty of guides for tweaking xorg.conf.. |
| 16:56.26 | orl | oh no, much more, I think |
| 16:56.53 | LittleFoot | so its either no monitor or no projector lol |
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| 16:57.00 | orl | blubberdiblub: a little quote: 08:54.06orlto explain a bit, this machine is the first one I've installed, some 9 years ago( Debian SID, already), never been reinstalled since, but some disks have been changed, I switched from ext3 to ext4, and finally, came to use RAID-1 devices for several datas |
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| 16:57.34 | blubberdiblub | orl, how many /dev/sd* drives do you have currently? |
| 16:57.37 | orl | blubberdiblub: so, here it is concerning disks |
| 16:57.41 | LittleFoot | is there a way to let pc know the monitor bin and let the rest auto config |
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| 16:59.22 | blubberdiblub | orl, or can you just paste /proc/partitions, please? |
| 16:59.26 | orl | /dev/sda (with SMART data indicating it's going to die soon) /dev/sdb (the one we're working on), /dev/sdc /dev/sr0, /dev/sdd, /dev/md0 (RAID 1 array between /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1), /dev/md1 (RAID 1 array between /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2) |
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| 17:00.05 | orl | blubberdiblub: http://paste.debian.net/197382/ |
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| 17:00.34 | skope | hello, i have this weird problem when i try to install something with apt-get: http://pastie.org/4928148 |
| 17:00.37 | blubberdiblub | orl, okay, can you paste the output of "ls -l /dev/sdb* /dev/sdc*" please? |
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| 17:01.30 | orl | blubberdiblub: http://paste.debian.net/197383/ |
| 17:01.48 | skope | i had this earlier, but it went away after a while. i can't make new ssh connections either |
| 17:02.01 | skope | this is VPS |
| 17:02.22 | abrotman | skope: dpkg -l libgcc1 .. which version is it ? |
| 17:02.52 | skope | abrotman: 1:4.4.5-8 |
| 17:03.01 | blubberdiblub | orl, okay, the device node numbers don't clash at least (what i suspected first), that's good. but maybe udev treats any minor % 16 == 0 for disk related device nodes special |
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| 17:03.32 | abrotman | skope: and nothing installs ? |
| 17:03.52 | orl | blubberdiblub: I understood the first part of your sentence, but not the second one concerning udev |
| 17:03.55 | blubberdiblub | orl, observe that usually the minor % 16 == 0 nodes are whole disks |
| 17:04.01 | orl | probably a mix of my english and my limitations about udev |
| 17:04.04 | skope | abrotman: this apparently cant load a lots of shared libraries. every time i try to apt-get something, libapt-pkg.so.4.10, libutil.so.1 or so fails to load |
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| 17:04.11 | skope | abrotman: no, nothing installs |
| 17:04.19 | blubberdiblub | orl, i.e. all minor numbers that are evenly divisible by 16 are usually the whole disk |
| 17:04.21 | orl | blubberdiblub: oh, there's a modulo 16 on disk partition? |
| 17:04.36 | orl | blubberdiblub: that's interesting |
| 17:04.37 | skope | something very funny is going on |
| 17:04.47 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, there shouldn't be nowadays, but there might be some remnants of that era |
| 17:04.54 | blubberdiblub | orl, in form of bugs |
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| 17:05.12 | skope | abrotman: now i got this: -bash: /usr/bin/lsof: Too many open files in system |
| 17:05.16 | oops | can someone please help me to take a screenshot of the gdm3 logon screen? |
| 17:05.17 | orl | blubberdiblub: hmmm, and that could be the reason why I get this quite regularly |
| 17:05.25 | abrotman | skope: that's cute |
| 17:05.34 | skope | abrotman: how cute? |
| 17:05.45 | orl | blubberdiblub: and do you have an idea about how I could prove/verify/check that this bug is linked to udev? |
| 17:05.57 | jelly-home | my little pony cute |
| 17:06.01 | blubberdiblub | orl, reducing your number of partitions below 16 might help ;) it's still a bug tho, and someone more knowledgable of udev should probably research into it |
| 17:06.24 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, you should try to reproduce it |
| 17:06.37 | orl | blubberdiblub: reducing partitions number: got to think about it, but it obvisouly can't be done taht quickly (my HD's are full!!!) |
| 17:06.42 | skope | that is cute then |
| 17:06.46 | blubberdiblub | orl, maybe while monitoring syslog and/or udevadm in monitor mode |
| 17:06.47 | skope | maybe i just reboot |
| 17:06.54 | orl | blubberdiblub: by downgrading/upgrading udev |
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| 17:07.25 | jelly-home | skope: your vps might have a verylow limit on the number of processes or files or memory usage |
| 17:07.27 | Armand | Sorry, I totally misplaced the link... someone gave me a URL for some good CF tweaks, for tempfs and suchlike? |
| 17:07.27 | blubberdiblub | orl, if the bug has never been reported, all udev versions might suffer from that bug |
| 17:07.38 | orl | blubberdiblub: yeah that might be true |
| 17:07.48 | blubberdiblub | orl, using that many conventional partitions is not very usual |
| 17:07.48 | skope | jelly-home: it maybe has, but i have nothing big going on in the server |
| 17:07.59 | orl | blubberdiblub: yeah, it's a fact of time! |
| 17:08.11 | orl | blubberdiblub: I'm going on "udev too, to ask them what they think about |
| 17:08.17 | blubberdiblub | orl, you should think about lvm in the long run ;) |
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| 17:08.28 | orl | blubberdiblub: actually, if I want to fix it, just to mknod /dev/sdb16 b 259 0 |
| 17:08.30 | orl | right? |
| 17:08.46 | blubberdiblub | orl, yes, looks correct to me |
| 17:09.01 | blubberdiblub | orl, that's the quick fix for getting your grub to update |
| 17:09.33 | orl | blubberdiblub: OK, I'll do it right after having asked udev guys |
| 17:09.43 | orl | if they need the bug to stay in place, who knows |
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| 17:09.59 | oops | any help for me? |
| 17:10.00 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, you can delete the device node again, if need be ;) |
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| 17:10.34 | orl | blubberdiblub: oh, yes, that's true |
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| 17:12.18 | blubberdiblub | orl, if your /dev/sdb15 has a filesystem on it that rounded its size a bit down when it was created, you might be able to squeeze in an additional partition between /dev/sdb15 and the current /dev/sdb16, that will get the new /dev/sdb16 and serve as dummy from then on. but that's not easy and not without its dangers |
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| 17:12.49 | huso | hello |
| 17:12.56 | orl | blubberdiblub: yeah... the real solutions would be to clean a bit my discks!! hehe |
| 17:13.20 | blubberdiblub | orl, yeah, and think about LVM, too ;) will make your partitions a lot more manageable |
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| 17:14.41 | huso | I use debian squeeze |
| 17:15.03 | orl | blubberdiblub: I've thought about it already, but the pace was too big, and the time too short, last time I've thought about!! |
| 17:15.14 | orl | blubberdiblub: thanks a lot, by the way |
| 17:15.19 | huso | My computer samsung NP300V5A-S06TR |
| 17:15.30 | huso | I dont work wifi |
| 17:15.56 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, i didn't really do anything ;) i'm not even sure whether it's udev. only about 90% |
| 17:15.56 | huso | I install firmware-lwlwifi |
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| 17:16.15 | huso | please help |
| 17:16.29 | orl | blubberdiblub: anyhow, you spent time |
| 17:17.38 | abrotman | lspci -nn .. what's yoru wifi device |
| 17:17.52 | orl | blubberdiblub: hmmm, just checked dpkg logs, there were no udev upgrade this time... |
| 17:18.01 | blubberdiblub | orl, anyway, a udev guru might be more knowledgable why that happens and what causes it ;) i'm very sure it's related to the minor % 16 == 0 thing, tho |
| 17:18.11 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm having issues with dm-crypt/LUKS and UUIDs w/ Debian Wheezy. I've got /boot as unencrypted, / as encrypted, and some swap space as encrypted, derived from the / encrypt. |
| 17:18.17 | orl | blubberdiblub: that makes sense, yes |
| 17:18.29 | nmschulte | Everything worked fine until I went to setup /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab w/ UUIDs. |
| 17:18.37 | huso | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09) |
| 17:18.37 | huso | 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge PCI Express Root Port [8086:0101] (rev 09) |
| 17:18.37 | huso | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 17:18.37 | huso | 00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Cougar Point HECI Controller #1 [8086:1c3a] (rev 04) |
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| 17:18.51 | nmschulte | I did update-initramfs, and it was happy. But, do I need to run update-grub as well or something? |
| 17:19.15 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok, back with kids, see you |
| 17:19.20 | abrotman | smart fella |
| 17:19.25 | nmschulte | I get this after initrd spins up the array for /: "cryptsetup: evms_activate is not available" |
| 17:19.26 | blubberdiblub | orl, see you |
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| 17:20.31 | huso | Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi 130 Series [8086:0896] (rev 34) |
| 17:21.02 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:0896 |
| 17:21.03 | judd | [8086:0896] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 130' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0896 |
| 17:21.08 | abrotman | you'll likely need the kernel and firmware-iwlwifi from backports.debian.org .. see the instructions there |
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| 17:21.14 | jelly-home | judd: you suck |
| 17:21.44 | huso | now I see |
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| 17:23.55 | anddam | can I uninstall packages installed due to a build-dep command? |
| 17:24.07 | judd | sulks |
| 17:24.07 | anddam | that is they have been installed as dependencies |
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| 17:25.06 | huso | abrotman How kernel install |
| 17:25.12 | abrotman | there are instructions at the site |
| 17:25.57 | huso | ok |
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| 17:30.13 | lynks | im getting the dreaded 'cant trust you' message when trying to log into pure-ftpd as www-data. minuid is set to 0, www-data has shell /bin/bash in passwd, pam auth is off, unix auth is on. is there something im missing? |
| 17:30.39 | huso | now I restart |
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| 17:32.12 | theplanet | this is apt-cache stats for debian 6 |
| 17:32.13 | theplanet | Total package structures: 36927 (1,772 k) |
| 17:32.31 | theplanet | this is a line from the same for ubuntu 12.04 lts |
| 17:32.32 | theplanet | Total package structures: 84607 (4,738 k) |
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| 17:32.49 | theplanet | why are there more than twice as many packages in ubuntu? |
| 17:32.50 | abrotman | theplanet: and what? |
| 17:33.05 | abrotman | theplanet: ask them? |
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| 17:34.12 | husonet | I think dont use fn button maybe wifi not open |
| 17:34.39 | theplanet | abrotman, i am asking you |
| 17:35.16 | husonet | I use openbox |
| 17:35.22 | husonet | please help |
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| 17:37.24 | germnboy8 | http://posatori.com/videos/spanish-hardcore-anal-in-Madrid-Amateur |
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| 17:39.12 | abrotman | theplanet: okay |
| 17:39.34 | jelly-home | theplanet: you might have multiarch enabled on one but not both. You might have different releases or third party repos enabled. Hard to say |
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| 17:39.57 | jelly-home | s/different/multiple/ |
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| 17:46.15 | orl | blubberdiblub: on #udev : looks like it has nothing to deal with udev |
| 17:46.25 | orl | but I'm not skilled enough to present the problem really well, I guess |
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| 17:46.43 | orl | anyhow: 19:45 < falconindy> it isn't udev which manages the nodes in /dev |
| 17:46.58 | yareckon | hi guys, wanting some advice on how to set up a music server. |
| 17:46.58 | abrotman | orl: do you have more than 16 devices or something? |
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| 17:47.12 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, yes, he's got more than 16 partitions |
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| 17:47.29 | orl | abrotman: yes, indeed, I do have a sdb16 and sdb17, and the sdb16 disappear sometimes after upgrades |
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| 17:47.38 | yareckon | have been running mpd and pulseaudio in system mode, but wondering if I should heed the warnings about how bad it is to run pulseaudio in system mode |
| 17:47.40 | abrotman | orl: pretty sure this is in the BTS |
| 17:47.51 | yareckon | how else would you do it for a headless box? |
| 17:47.51 | orl | blubberdiblub: to be correct, I do not have more than 16 partitions, but the partitiosn IDs go to 17 |
| 17:48.00 | orl | abrotman: oh, cool |
| 17:48.09 | blubberdiblub | orl, what else does manage the device nodes in /dev/ if it's not udev? |
| 17:48.25 | orl | blubberdiblub: couldn't tell, the answer comes from udev guys themselves |
| 17:48.30 | orl | you should ask them! ;) |
| 17:48.38 | orl | I'm not skilled / vocabulary-filled enough |
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| 17:48.56 | orl | got to go eating (just got back here for several minutes cause udev guys had answered) |
| 17:49.08 | orl | be back in several dozens of minutes |
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| 18:01.52 | teraflop | hi, i have reinstalled the system withs lbv and encription, the AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) have a extremely poor performance , i have tested with others kernels and have disable hwcrypt and power |
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| 18:03.21 | teraflop | *lvm |
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| 18:19.10 | mdim | when I try to install a new package version, I get conflicts in config files. How to resolve them? |
| 18:19.29 | mdim | I can start a shell, but then what? |
| 18:19.41 | mdim | it's apt-get that I use |
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| 18:22.41 | dondelelcaro | mdim: once you start a shell, you have both your config file and the new version. you can then edit yours to apply the changes, and then keep your changes, or whatever else you want |
| 18:22.58 | dondelelcaro | mdim: you can also try to create a patch file with the differences between the two configuration files and apply that. |
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| 18:27.30 | ner0x | How can I get use of xfce4 version 4.10 ? |
| 18:28.35 | AimHere | It's not in Debian yet, which means you probably have to compile it yourself, with all the risk of breaking things and making a mess of your system that that entails |
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| 18:28.54 | orl | blubberdiblub: back |
| 18:29.27 | orl | abrotman: do you remember the focus/subject of the thread in the BTS with that "16" number inside? |
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| 18:32.02 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev suggests that it is udev who manages the device nodes in /dev/. other documents on the web suggest the same |
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| 18:32.51 | desrt | hi. is there a way i can disable dpkg-shlibdeps in a package build? |
| 18:33.20 | simonlnu | better is to fix what the problem is |
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| 18:33.33 | desrt | the problem is that dpkg-shlibdeps is looking at files that i don't want it to :) |
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| 18:34.14 | orl | blubberdiblub: that must then be true |
| 18:34.15 | desrt | i have private versions of libraries in my package that also have system versions and dpkg-shlibdeps is getting upset about that |
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| 18:34.55 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, not necessarily (not everything on the web is true). but it's quite likely |
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| 18:35.21 | blubberdiblub | orl, and it coincides with my impression of what udev is doing |
| 18:35.51 | orl | blubberdiblub: actually, I would have said that's the way, as for several years now, removable media and so on are managed through udev, and you don't have to pass them to /etc/fstab anymore (in my head both of those things were linked) |
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| 18:36.56 | desrt | lovely: DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL := -X* |
| 18:36.58 | blubberdiblub | orl, well, fstab is a different story. but you can have udev automount devices, too. or act as a helper for other automounting mechanisms. |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | orl: i don't . it may have even been a blog post |
| 18:37.18 | heoa_ | http://pastie.org/4928558 InsServ bug, how can I fix the repeating errors with InsServ? |
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| 18:37.19 | abrotman | orl: but i thought it was drives, not partitions ... |
| 18:37.22 | orl | abrotman: I guess I got it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667638 |
| 18:37.27 | orl | but it's with GPT |
| 18:37.37 | orl | blubberdiblub: yes, that's partly glow for me! |
| 18:37.53 | heoa_ | $ sudo aptitude reinstall lsb-base <-- I already reinstalled the lsb-base |
| 18:38.14 | heoa_ | but the InsServ -bug came again, ideas why? |
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| 18:38.50 | teraflop | i have reinstalled the system with lvm and encription, the AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) have an extremely poor performance , i have tested with other kernels and have disable hwcrypt and power |
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| 18:39.11 | orl | hmmm, the bug report I've found doesn't tell much |
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| 18:39.39 | heoa_ | http://pastie.org/4928587 <-- InsServ reinstalling does not help, why? |
| 18:39.43 | abrotman | orl: not what i was talking about |
| 18:39.50 | blubberdiblub | orl, generally, it udev acts on kernel events. like when drives come available or go away. and one of its main purposes is to create/destroy device nodes in /dev/ according to those events. at least that's my impression |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | orl: could be the same bug though |
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| 18:40.30 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok, it "attaches" the devices, finally? |
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| 18:40.35 | orl | abrotman: ok |
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| 18:41.08 | blubberdiblub | orl, no. i think it just creates the device nodes. the driver setup and initialization is done in the kernel |
| 18:41.24 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok |
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| 18:42.36 | blubberdiblub | orl, you can see that by your /boot partition still working (so it's correctly set up), even while /dev/sdb16 is missing. device nodes are just a helper file-lookalike to make accessing them via the file system easier and orthogonal to other files |
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| 18:43.38 | bcv | My modem manager automatically unlocks my SIM card. How can I get modem-manager to forget the password so that I can ask it to prompt ? (Wheezy) |
| 18:44.12 | orl | blubberdiblub: ok |
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| 18:44.35 | orl | blubberdiblub: though I couldn't tell whether /boot works, as I thought it was only loaded at startup (well, it's true the kernel is in it...) |
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| 18:44.57 | blubberdiblub | orl, if you can access files on /boot, it works |
| 18:45.56 | orl | blubberdiblub: yes, obvisouly |
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| 18:48.00 | blubberdiblub | orl, when you mount a /dev/something, it reads the major and minor number from that device node, and henceforth, the device is accessed through those major and minor numbers (that's a bit oversimplification). so you can delete /dev/something and the mounted filesystem still works. the /dev/something is only needed at mount time (and at other special times, for example when grub does its magic) |
| 18:48.42 | orl | oh yes |
| 18:48.57 | orl | it's only a pointer, in some ways? |
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| 18:50.14 | blubberdiblub | orl, correct |
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| 18:55.49 | nandofer | hi, |
| 18:55.53 | nandofer | about hexedit |
| 18:56.06 | nandofer | i've only found the 'truncate' feature, but it works only with the end of the file. How can i 'truncate' the first few bytes of a file? is it possible to do that via hexedit or is vi the only way? |
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| 18:59.17 | blubberdiblub | nandofer, to "truncate" means to cut off something at the end by definition. if hexedit can't delete stuff at the beginning of the file or in the middle, you'd need a different program. either a different editor or something completely different. there are various ways to do that |
| 18:59.55 | UukGoblin | boo :-( just trying to do a dist-upgrade from squeeze to sid, and got: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 19:02.26 | nandofer | blubberdiblub: right. that's why i said " 'truncate' " instead of " truncate ". |
| 19:03.05 | blubberdiblub | nandofer, the advantage of hexedit, however, is that it doesn't read the file completely into memory. so you can easily edit very large files or even block devices with it. but that's also the reason why it can't delete stuff from the beginning or the middle |
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| 19:04.26 | nandofer | blubberdiblub: btw, since other version of hex editors allows to delete ( "edit" ) bytes in a file, it seems strange that the linux version doesnt allow that. Indeed i was in doubt, i thought maybe there's some undocumented way to edit a file, a sort of 'cut' feature. |
| 19:04.30 | nandofer | ah, ok |
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| 19:04.55 | blubberdiblub | nandofer, there are a lot of hexeditors available for debian, not only "hexedit" |
| 19:05.01 | scooty_puff | how do i allow users to access serial ports? i tried 'usermod -a -G tty barbs' but it still gives me permisson denied. |
| 19:05.25 | blubberdiblub | nandofer, just choose one that reads the complete file into memory |
| 19:06.36 | nandofer | blubberdiblub: ok. for what i have to do (cut few bytes at the beginning) vi'll be ok |
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| 19:08.38 | nandofer | scooty_puff: add the user to the 'dip' group. If it doesnt work try with the dialout group |
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| 19:10.26 | nandofer | scooty_puff: btw, if you do "ls -l /dev/ttyS*" you should have those files in the 'dialout' group (i've just verified it now). so i think the right group is 'dialout'. |
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| 19:16.47 | scooty_puff | nandofer: i tried "usermod -a -G dialout barbs" but it still isnt giving me permission. |
| 19:17.08 | blubberdiblub | scooty_puff, you need to log out and in again before changed groups take effect |
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| 19:17.27 | scooty_puff | gottcha. thanks |
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| 19:25.48 | Mogget | This might not be Debian specific; When I log onto the work network I have to type ^bspace to delete. backspace just gives me ? Any ideas why? |
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| 19:29.04 | themill | dpkg: tell UukGoblin about immediate configuration |
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| 19:29.57 | UukGoblin | themill, thanks |
| 19:29.59 | wt0vremr | Hello everyone. I've been using debian for 6 years now, but today I faced a problem related to proprietary software. Can anyone please help me with flash player? |
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| 19:32.22 | Mogget | Sorry. I meant I have to enter ctrl-h, not ctrl-backspace as I said in earlier sentence. |
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| 19:33.31 | sssslidjur | when I create a file withing a ACL enabled folder. my default group is still the same as the username |
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| 19:33.44 | simonlnu | Mogget: that's term config |
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| 19:34.31 | simonlnu | sssslidjur: probably because that's your default group... |
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| 19:35.25 | sssslidjur | simonlnu: im pretty sure i setfacl -m d:g:marketgroup:rwx /home/market |
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| 19:38.57 | blubberdiblub | sssslidjur, that doesn't mean that the primary group of files/directories created inside there gets changed. it just means that the group you specified gets additional rights on the files. check the created files with getfacl |
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| 19:39.58 | Mogget | simonlnu: Thanks. Found the wiki and understand a bit more now. |
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| 19:42.27 | sssslidjur | blubberdiblub: ok. how do i set the default group for created files in that dir? |
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| 19:43.17 | blubberdiblub | sssslidjur, set the group you want on the dir and set the setguid bit on that dir. chmod g+s your/dir |
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| 19:43.36 | blubberdiblub | setgid, even |
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| 19:45.28 | sssslidjur | that worked well. allthough nano and touch seems not to set the permission to g+x even though it is set in setfacl |
| 19:45.39 | ooldirty | Hey fellas/ladies, is there an updated apt repository howto for squeeze? |
| 19:46.16 | michelh | use sid |
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| 19:46.29 | michelh | or compile things yourself |
| 19:46.49 | michelh | or search apt pinning |
| 19:47.01 | blubberdiblub | sssslidjur, that's normal. not all files should be set executable by default |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | michelh: that is no help |
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| 19:47.30 | ooldirty | I have a set of packages I maintain for internal use at my hosting co. trust me, I know why I'm doing this :) |
| 19:47.39 | blubberdiblub | sssslidjur, it should work on created directories inside there, tho |
| 19:47.40 | abrotman | ooldirty: repopro |
| 19:47.40 | sssslidjur | blubberdiblub: but then other groupmembers cant make the files executeable? |
| 19:48.02 | ooldirty | abrotman, I'll check it out. Thank you :) |
| 19:48.32 | UukGoblin | themill, I can't actually remove python-pyatspi2 cause it doesn't seem installed: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove python-pyatspi2 which isn't installed. |
| 19:48.58 | ooldirty | reprepro, btw ;) |
| 19:49.01 | abrotman | ooldirty: reprepro |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:49.17 | themill | UukGoblin: you probably need to work out what is causing it to be installed and remove it instead |
| 19:49.39 | themill | (gnome-orca?) |
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| 19:50.47 | UukGoblin | themill, yup, that seems to be it :-) |
| 19:50.59 | UukGoblin | now it can't perform immediate autoconf on default-jre |
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| 19:51.59 | UukGoblin | but that I can remove fine |
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| 19:55.17 | ooldirty | abrotman: this is beautiful - last week, I was using a crazy pile of 'sed | awk | tr | perl' inherited from "the last guy". |
| 19:55.22 | ooldirty | You just made my day. |
| 19:55.59 | ooldirty | not to mention manual GPG signing and hash generation... |
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| 20:01.43 | abrotman | ooldirty: eww |
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| 20:12.40 | oops | hi |
| 20:12.50 | oops | What's the difference between 'gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri file:///foo.png' and 'GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri file:///foo.png'? I find both of them to have the same effect. Also, how does setting an environment variable update gsettings in the latter case? |
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| 20:14.35 | ooldirty | i would hope that the gsettings documentation would explain that for you. |
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| 20:14.57 | ooldirty | i'm not using gnome, personally, so that's all I can contribute :( |
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| 20:16.34 | tremon | oops: dconf is the default gsettings backend, iirc the only other one is "memory" which will not store your modifications. but indeed, see the gsettings docs or ask #gnome |
| 20:16.37 | iri | Is there any way to speed up the installation of many .deb files? For example, packaging many of them together somehow? Skipping the configuration step? I want to install an X11 environment and lots of dependencies efficiently in a CI environment which starts off with a fresh server each time |
| 20:16.55 | tremon | iri: eatmydata |
| 20:17.09 | iri | tremon: Not sure if insult, or name of awesome program |
| 20:17.14 | iri | //googles |
| 20:17.45 | iri | hm, I'm unsure if this will give me the speedup I desire. I can give it a shot. |
| 20:17.48 | tremon | ,v eatmydata |
| 20:17.49 | judd | Package: eatmydata on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 26-1~bpo60+1; sid: 26-2; wheezy: 26-2 |
| 20:18.48 | tremon | iri, also, what are you looking to speedup? the download of many .debs or the installation of them? |
| 20:19.00 | iri | Primarily the installation. |
| 20:19.10 | iri | I imagine I could pre-download them all and shove them in the cache dir |
| 20:19.23 | iri | though I was looking for more general solutions, mainly to the installation step |
| 20:19.25 | tremon | yes, or run a local apt proxy |
| 20:20.17 | tremon | installation can't realistically be sped up without compromising integrity, unless you want to overhaul dpkg's internal architecture |
| 20:20.37 | iri | I'm happy to compromise integrity |
| 20:20.43 | iri | I know the start state of the machine every time |
| 20:20.47 | iri | and I don't care about the end state |
| 20:20.55 | iri | (other than that it will run my one-shot test) |
| 20:20.59 | tremon | figured as much when you said CI :) |
| 20:21.14 | iri | :) |
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| 20:21.52 | Lis | hello everyone. How do I re run the network setup in debian testing? |
| 20:21.58 | tremon | basically, libeatmydata will turn all filesystem sync calls into no-ops (and I believe there are some other corners it cuts too) |
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| 20:22.53 | tremon | ooh... good question. Don't know if there is such a thing |
| 20:23.03 | tremon | Lis: what are you looking to reconfigure? |
| 20:23.33 | Lis | tremon, network settings like domain name etc. |
| 20:23.35 | iri | tremon: I have actually heard of it before |
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| 20:24.11 | oops | ps -aef shows: root 4923 1 0 00:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3 |
| 20:24.32 | DarthExpeditor | my debian install has gone a little insane and keeps trying to get me to set the root password for mysql-server even when I ask it to remove mysql server |
| 20:24.34 | iri | tremon: eatmydata shaved of 30s from an (originally) 1m20 run. |
| 20:24.39 | iri | So that's a big help already |
| 20:24.41 | oops | How is it then that when I need to run gsettings to change login background, I need to su - Debian-gdm -s /bin/bash ? |
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| 20:24.46 | DarthExpeditor | it ran out of space when installing mysql-server and screwed the install. |
| 20:25.00 | oops | shouldn't it just work with 'su' because gdm3 is running as 'root'? |
| 20:25.22 | DarthExpeditor | I have fixed the space problem but I want to rip and reinstall mysql-server but it keeps trying to install instead of uninstall |
| 20:25.46 | DarthExpeditor | I am using the command apt-get remove --purge mysql-server* |
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| 20:26.53 | DarthExpeditor | got it |
| 20:26.59 | DarthExpeditor | missed the * |
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| 20:28.33 | DarthExpeditor | there is a command I can type to bring up a package/mission manager for debian and select what I want to have it become. Does anyone remember the command? |
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| 20:29.42 | Lis | DarthExpeditor, aptitude maybe? |
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| 20:30.50 | tremon | oops: not sure what you are asking, but gdm3 doesn't get its configuration from root's dconf, I think it's getting it from /var/lib/gdm3 or somesuch |
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| 20:31.35 | oops | tremon, yes, I understand that. In fact /var/lib/gdm3 is set as the home directory of Debian-gdm in /etc/passwd. |
| 20:31.46 | oops | my question is that ps -aef output shows that gdm3 is running as the 'root' user. |
| 20:31.53 | oops | why then do we need to bother about this Debian-gdm user? |
| 20:33.21 | tremon | oops: I don't know either gdm or debian's packaging enough to answer that. But many programs use root only when necessary, and use a normal user for all normal operations. Presumably that's why debian-gdm exists |
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| 20:33.44 | Lis | still noone knows how to rerun the debian network configuration? |
| 20:34.13 | oops | tremon, that makes sense but my observations indicate the opposite. I see 'gdm3' running as 'root' all the time in the output of 'ps'. |
| 20:34.15 | DarthExpeditor | why do you need to rerun it? |
| 20:34.21 | abrotman | Lis: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:34.28 | tremon | we can probably tell how to change what you want to have changed, but I know of no command that will rerun debian's installer wizard |
| 20:34.38 | DarthExpeditor | I can walk you through configuring it with nano and config files |
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| 20:36.03 | Lis | I just want to change the hostname and domain but if there is no way to do that with a script I do it manually, thanks anyway |
| 20:36.19 | DarthExpeditor | Once you have done it through the files you won't want to ever screw with it in the wizards again. Its way easier in the files. |
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| 20:49.06 | Rix | if i have debian 5.0.4 is it possible (and easy) to update to the current version using just online connection? |
| 20:49.18 | abrotman | !tell Rix about lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:49.38 | Rix | thanks |
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| 20:52.56 | DarthExpeditor | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
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| 20:55.02 | dvs | DarthExpeditor, They way dependency conflicts are resolved. |
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| 20:59.45 | basket | anyone familiar with mousepad fixes/issues? |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | the mousepad on your desk ? |
| 21:00.14 | basket | mousepad on laptop |
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| 21:00.24 | abrotman | touchpad you mean? |
| 21:00.33 | basket | yes. |
| 21:00.40 | basket | i'm already off to a bad start... lol |
| 21:01.53 | basket | i've tried everything that's suggested by anyone online... but i can't seem to get the tap-to-click feature to work. however side-scroll will work |
| 21:02.12 | basket | if i get tap-to-click working, then the side-scroll won't work |
| 21:02.29 | basket | i would prefer to have both working as it does with every other OS i have tried |
| 21:02.37 | basket | it's an ALPS touchpad |
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| 21:04.26 | abrotman | did you look at the Debian wiki ? |
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| 21:04.50 | DarthExpeditor | thanks dvs |
| 21:05.11 | basket | abrotman> me? |
| 21:05.12 | dvs | np |
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| 21:06.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:06.37 | basket | yes, i have followed the wiki |
| 21:06.51 | basket | and other walkthroughs/guides |
| 21:06.59 | basket | the only success i have is one option or the other, as i have stated... |
| 21:07.13 | basket | either sidescroll or tap-to-click. never both.... |
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| 21:11.12 | abrotman | basket: so paste your files |
| 21:11.33 | basket | sh*t just got real. :p |
| 21:11.42 | basket | what files would you like to see? |
| 21:11.50 | basket | should i pastebin as to not flood the channel? |
| 21:12.05 | DarthExpeditor | yes |
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| 21:12.22 | abrotman | basket: what do you think? |
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| 21:12.59 | basket | lmao. a good question always has at least 50% of the answer within it. ;) |
| 21:13.17 | abrotman | you think? |
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| 21:15.18 | basket | which files please? |
| 21:15.35 | abrotman | the ones you changed? |
| 21:15.58 | basket | at this point, they are all default as i use an external mouse |
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| 21:16.55 | abrotman | that will be kind of hard to test ... |
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| 21:18.53 | basket | i can still test. i just haven't had luck with anything from any wiki or with other users successful settings... |
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| 21:19.19 | abrotman | which wiki page did you use? |
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| 21:20.48 | basket | i've tried the debian one's and crunchbang ones... |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | are you using Debian or Crunchbang? |
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| 21:21.35 | basket | Crunchbang. (which is debian wheezy with some tweaks) |
| 21:21.49 | Devastator | heheh busted |
| 21:21.52 | abrotman | then you should ask #crunchbang, this channel is for Debian support. |
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| 21:21.59 | abrotman | and that's not up for debate |
| 21:22.01 | dvs | yay |
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| 21:23.52 | basket | oh. sorry |
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| 21:33.03 | frikinz | If I have two external disks, I guess its possible to put them as raid1. But what if I intend to sometimes plug on in and then a week later I'd plug the other and this one would sync to the "clean" one. Is this use ok or is it just plain stupid/risky. I'd like to minimize data loss in case one crashes. |
| 21:33.17 | frikinz | and let's pretend I also do from time to time manual backups.. |
| 21:34.11 | frikinz | I'd like to have encrypted fs on lvm on raid with these 2 disks but not having always both disks plugged in |
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| 21:38.09 | DarthExpeditor | LVM is a piece of shit pain in the ass. |
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| 21:38.29 | tremon | frikinz: it is risky, and not really what is intended with raid |
| 21:38.43 | frikinz | Yes? Since 8 hours I'm moving my data because i miss a few GB. |
| 21:38.59 | tremon | it may work, but you're much better off using a file-level synchronisation tool like rsync |
| 21:39.10 | frikinz | tremon: why risky? When I plug back, I have to make sure which one is clean,dirty? |
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| 21:39.50 | jelly-home | frikinz: I guess you could use a three-member raid1 and write-intent bitmaps |
| 21:40.18 | jelly-home | I've only done a split mirror like that with 2 raid1 members |
| 21:40.25 | tremon | yes, for one. If you modify files on one, then use the other on another system or without the first one, you'd better hope that mdadm bails out before overwriting one of the two changes |
| 21:41.00 | jelly-home | uh, no, they have to be read-only when disconnected |
| 21:41.21 | tremon | I thought you could run read/write on a degraded raid1? |
| 21:41.28 | tremon | or do you mean something else? |
| 21:41.49 | jelly-home | you don't want to diverge and write to the copies |
| 21:42.01 | ARCADIVS | ZFS question. My ZFS configuration seems to be working fine except that I have an rbind mount to a certain folder in my zpool which doesn't automatically mount because the zpool is mounted after the fstab mounts. How do I fix this? |
| 21:42.02 | jelly-home | they're to be used as backup only |
| 21:42.07 | tremon | ah, don't want, but does mdadm prevent you from killing yourself? :) |
| 21:42.28 | jelly-home | tremon: as long as you only ever mount and mdadm them in the same machine |
| 21:42.44 | jelly-home | on the same OS installation |
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| 21:43.29 | frikinz | yes, it would always be on the same. I have to read again what mdadm does when the 2nd disk is reintegrated in the raid. Long time ago I didn't play with mdadm |
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| 21:44.06 | jelly-home | frikinz: unless write-intent bitmap is active, is rewrites the whole thing |
| 21:44.10 | jelly-home | it* |
| 21:44.23 | tremon | like jelly says, make sure to enable write-intent bitmap otherwise it will always do a full resync (I think it's possible with just a two-member raid1 too... bitmap=internal) |
| 21:44.34 | oops | I'm using GNOME 3.4 on Debian 7.0 (Wheezy - testing). I'm trying to change the login wallpaper. Updating /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings to |
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| 21:44.35 | oops | didn't work for me even after /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart. What am I missing? |
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| 21:44.54 | oops | I'm using GNOME 3.4 on Debian 7.0 (Wheezy - testing). I'm trying to change the login wallpaper. Updating /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings to |
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| 21:44.54 | oops | picture-uri='file:///etc/gdm3/thinkpad.jpg' |
| 21:44.56 | jelly-home | external bitmap is typically faster |
| 21:44.58 | oops | didn't work for me even after /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart. What am I missing? |
| 21:46.03 | frikinz | full resync? does this mean as soon as the two members are different, the dirty one will get completly rewritten? |
| 21:46.17 | tremon | yes |
| 21:46.53 | frikinz | ok, not good :) I intend to always have one master and one slave not always connected. dirty one. |
| 21:47.34 | tremon | obligatory note: raid is intended as a high-availability solution, not a backup solution |
| 21:47.39 | frikinz | all this would be easier than rsyncing this or that. I'll read a bit and try |
| 21:48.19 | frikinz | tremon: yes, its only for minimizing data loss in case one disk fails. |
| 21:48.19 | tremon | I'd prefer to use a udev hook to trigger rsync synchronisation or the like |
| 21:48.50 | frikinz | tremon: yes but then I have to know what I backup and typically I spread data everywhere. took me a whole day to know what to backup. I'm messy :) |
| 21:49.21 | frikinz | udev triggering rsync is a nice idea tho :) |
| 21:49.44 | tremon | you can resursively rsync / though... |
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| 21:50.15 | jelly-home | tremon: I keep my backups on raid. |
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| 21:50.37 | tremon | never said it couldn't be done. it's just needlessly hairy imho :) |
| 21:50.42 | jelly-home | one assumes frikinz is doing the same |
| 21:50.51 | frikinz | yes yes ;) |
| 21:51.31 | jelly-home | and not, say, using split members of a production array as poor man backup |
| 21:51.34 | frikinz | its for personnal stuffs. music, pictures, some coding stuffs. hum have to buy some dvd |
| 21:52.07 | DarthExpeditor | apt-get thinks mysql-common and mysql-client are still installed but they aren't. |
| 21:52.15 | DarthExpeditor | What action should I take to fix this |
| 21:52.23 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 21:52.23 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:52.32 | abrotman | DarthExpeditor: how did you uninstall them ? |
| 21:52.34 | frikinz | jelly-home and tremon : thank you! |
| 21:52.39 | Lis | Hi everyone. I have a internal hostname resolve problem. I have two linux machines connected to my router. My problem is that I only can connect with ip names, hostnames do not get resolved, nslookup shows the wrong IPs. If I boot up windows I can use the hostnames without problems |
| 21:52.58 | DarthExpeditor | Like a dip stick |
| 21:53.10 | abrotman | with rm ? |
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| 21:53.29 | DarthExpeditor | yeah |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | that was silly |
| 21:53.48 | DarthExpeditor | I was trying to remove mysql-server and didn't realize they were installed. |
| 21:53.50 | DarthExpeditor | yeah |
| 21:53.56 | DarthExpeditor | don't I know it |
| 21:54.38 | tremon | Lis: presumably you need a send host-name directive in your dhclient.conf |
| 21:54.41 | DarthExpeditor | got it |
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| 21:55.02 | ARCADIVS | I need to add an extra mount -a to my init process. How do I do this? |
| 21:55.14 | tremon | ARCADIVS: rc.local? |
| 21:55.34 | ARCADIVS | Just put it in that file? |
| 21:55.57 | tremon | yes, and make sure it is executable (not sure if it is by default) |
| 21:56.35 | Lis | tremon, thats already a default in debian testing, and I can see the hostnames in the router network list. windows resolves the hostnames correctly |
| 21:57.39 | tremon | Lis: can you paste the contents of /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 21:58.13 | ARCADIVS | tremon: this file looks like it is used to start all the other services. I don't want to run mount -a for everything in /etc/init.d that is executed. I just need a mount -a after everything else. |
| 21:58.38 | Lis | tremon, http://pastebin.com/723P4GUT |
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| 21:59.17 | tremon | ARCADIVS: "this file" being /etc/rc.local, or are you looking at somewhere else? |
| 21:59.26 | ARCADIVS | rc.local |
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| 22:00.31 | ARCADIVS | Besides won't an update to rc.local make my mount -a disappear? |
| 22:00.57 | tremon | that file should be empty by default (except for some comment lines ending with "By default this script does nothing") |
| 22:01.11 | tremon | no, rc.local is never overwritten |
| 22:01.53 | ARCADIVS | Oh sorry I got confused because I wasn't paying close attention to the directory I was in. |
| 22:02.00 | ARCADIVS | /etc/init.d has another rc.local |
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| 22:02.39 | tremon | Lis: other than the ridiculous local domain name, that looks fine |
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| 22:02.54 | chaterz | hi all |
| 22:02.58 | chaterz | alguien spanyol? |
| 22:03.05 | tremon | !es |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 22:03.08 | Lis | tremon, well I dont know what could cause this problem. |
| 22:03.21 | ARCADIVS | tremon: somehow I don't think that's Spanish. |
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| 22:03.55 | Lis | tremon, winbind is installed samba is configured |
| 22:03.56 | tremon | well, it was my best guess... |
| 22:04.25 | chaterz | someone know how to configure wireless in debian ,please? |
| 22:04.34 | abrotman | !wifi |
| 22:04.35 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:04.39 | abrotman | see the URL |
| 22:04.41 | chaterz | i cant find any wifi network, and i dont know how to conf it |
| 22:05.06 | nevyn | chaterz: what wireless card do you have? |
| 22:05.14 | chaterz | idont know |
| 22:05.25 | chaterz | i have a usb wifi to find wifi networks |
| 22:05.30 | chaterz | in a cpu. |
| 22:06.00 | chaterz | nevyn: |
| 22:06.01 | chaterz | ? |
| 22:06.16 | tremon | Lis: I've never had to deal with winbind name resolution, can't help you with that. You can try nslookup from both windows and linux to test your router's dns information, but if windows if using winbind I can't help you |
| 22:06.21 | nevyn | !tell chaterz about what's my wireless |
| 22:06.45 | ARCADIVS | tremon: spanyol is apparently Hungarian for Spanish. I'm confused. |
| 22:07.54 | Lis | tremon, well thank you anyway somehow I will fix it |
| 22:08.14 | DarthExpeditor | http://pastebin.com/f4Zc5NVA |
| 22:08.26 | DarthExpeditor | OK. This is my mysql-server install problem. |
| 22:08.30 | DarthExpeditor | I am completely stuck |
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| 22:10.52 | jelly-home | DarthExpeditor: grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:11.28 | themill | DarthExpeditor: is this a fresh install or an upgrade from lenny? |
| 22:11.42 | DarthExpeditor | fresh |
| 22:11.56 | DarthExpeditor | standby on the grep |
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| 22:14.29 | DarthExpeditor | http://pastebin.com/x6FNbTGz |
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| 22:17.14 | themill | DarthExpeditor: «ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!» |
| 22:18.05 | DarthExpeditor | fixed that already |
| 22:18.13 | DarthExpeditor | that's what started this problem though. |
| 22:18.27 | DarthExpeditor | I have 16gb free on the device now |
| 22:19.27 | abrotman | oh dear! |
| 22:19.40 | DarthExpeditor | yeah |
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| 22:19.55 | DarthExpeditor | wasted half my day on this already |
| 22:21.13 | themill | but at this stage, you've got a corrupted mysql table at a guess, or at least a mysql table that doesn't contain root / debian-sys-maint credentials |
| 22:21.46 | DarthExpeditor | ok. how would I fix it? |
| 22:21.48 | frikinz | Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use <-- not this? |
| 22:22.01 | DarthExpeditor | what the |
| 22:22.06 | DarthExpeditor | standby |
| 22:22.40 | DarthExpeditor | this is so fricken bizzar |
| 22:23.03 | DarthExpeditor | removed mysql server and yes I have a mysql-server running on 3306 |
| 22:23.05 | DarthExpeditor | WTF |
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| 22:24.25 | DarthExpeditor | ok. its actually gone at the moment |
| 22:24.29 | DarthExpeditor | this is so wierd |
| 22:24.37 | DarthExpeditor | I have never had this much trouble |
| 22:25.10 | frikinz | full disks brings a lot of trouble.. |
| 22:25.29 | DarthExpeditor | yeah |
| 22:25.35 | DarthExpeditor | its on flash memory |
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| 22:26.03 | DarthExpeditor | when I loaded it originally I issued a command to resize the disk to take up the entire flash media but apparently it didn't do it. |
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| 22:26.15 | DarthExpeditor | I didn't realize until I went to install mysql-server |
| 22:27.25 | DarthExpeditor | how can I flush that log so I can start fresh instead of sifting through the massive amount of information |
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| 22:31.43 | DarthExpeditor | WTF. I just started working. |
| 22:31.52 | DarthExpeditor | There is no way I am deploying this like this. |
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| 22:38.47 | McClein | hi, to ssh from debian to windows machine, does the target pc run a ssh server like putty? |
| 22:39.28 | abrotman | ask your Windows admin ? |
| 22:39.41 | dvs | putty is an ssh server? |
| 22:40.21 | asturel | is there sshd for windows?:D |
| 22:40.35 | abrotman | ask ##windows |
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| 22:41.16 | JohnWittle | How do I get less or more or vim or something to wrap lines? I have a .txt with no linebreaks and I'm not sure the best cli tool. |
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| 22:42.20 | abrotman | to wrap or not wrap ? |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | they should wrap lines by default |
| 22:43.10 | DarthExpeditor | WoW! |
| 22:43.37 | McClein | to ssh a windows pc do i need run something on windows? |
| 22:43.46 | abrotman | McClein: ask ##windows |
| 22:43.54 | McClein | thanks |
| 22:44.13 | JohnWittle | McClein: any ssh server will work. just google 'ssh server windows' |
| 22:44.29 | abrotman | JohnWittle: you can help him in ##windows |
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| 22:44.46 | JohnWittle | too late, already helped him. |
| 22:45.00 | McClein | hehehe thanks |
| 22:45.35 | JohnWittle | and... not to sound mean... but really? |
| 22:46.04 | JohnWittle | is it windows bashing or is it just, anything that isn't specifically about debian gnu/linux is strictly prohibited in your mind? |
| 22:46.25 | themill | JohnWittle: if the answer is really just "google ssh server windows" then he could have done that himself. If it's more than that, then it belongs elsewhere. |
| 22:46.34 | abrotman | JohnWittle: the channel is #debian, relating to Debian .. if we let everyone ask whatever we wanted, it wouldn't bve #debian anymore |
| 22:47.50 | JohnWittle | i was just in here asking about line wrapping text editors, but you guys didn't send me to #texteditors. i could be on cygwin! |
| 22:47.52 | JohnWittle | but i won't push it. |
| 22:48.18 | McClein | thank you, have a nice day everyone |
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| 23:44.16 | nuffigel | meh, it is init, any ideas how to shut down a hanging proftpd that doesn't even react to kill -9 ? |
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| 23:48.12 | tro | Hey! I have a question I imagine is pretty basic and I was wondering if anyone could give me a tip, it's in regard to hotkeying special characters / strings with xdotool. |
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| 23:49.11 | j_v | I know how to change the font size, say for xterm, using xresources. Will this work more generally for all X11 apps? |
| 23:50.12 | techie | is there a way to recursively create symlinks and have directories be created rather than symlinked (for shared game server resources) |
| 23:51.04 | JoshuaP | How do I create SSH keys? |
| 23:51.41 | j_v | techie: I'm not sure the command line, but I think that rsync might be a tool to use for that. |
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| 23:51.52 | simonlnu | techie: `lndir' |
| 23:51.57 | tro | if I link the command "xdotool key l" to ctrl+alt+numpad0 it fails to execute. The same occurs when I run the command via a file. I've managed to hotkey other things with the same method in order to do basic tasks such as hiding the task bar. Does anyone know why it wouldn't be working in this case? |
| 23:52.06 | techie | j_v: rsync would just sync the files, correct? |
| 23:52.11 | simonlnu | !ssh-keygen |
| 23:52.11 | dpkg | Create a RSA key (for SSH protocol 2 connections) with ssh-keygen ; then copy it to a remote host with ssh-copy-id user@remotehost ; also look at ssh-agent/ssh-add |
| 23:52.44 | JoshuaP | Which program can I use? |
| 23:52.57 | simonlnu | read what the bot said... |
| 23:53.14 | j_v | techie: rsync can be used for recursive file copying, not just remote. |
| 23:53.43 | simonlnu | s/he wants to make recursive symlinks. lndir does exactly that. |
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| 23:53.51 | simonlnu | mkdir then -n -s |
| 23:53.55 | simonlnu | ln -s |
| 23:54.02 | techie | j_v: that would result in seperate copies of shared resources, which could cause the overall size to be 500% greater than it needs to be |
| 23:54.25 | simonlnu | lndir lndir lndir lndir |
| 23:54.30 | techie | simonlnu: you may call me a 'he' if you wish |
| 23:54.43 | techie | simonlnu: looking at the manpage now, thanks |
| 23:54.59 | simonlnu | might not exist by default |
| 23:55.17 | techie | simonlnu: online man pages |
| 23:55.40 | simonlnu | man pages are online :P |
| 23:56.59 | techie | simonlnu: looks like it should do the trick, ill play around with it when i get home after work |
| 23:57.53 | simonlnu | techie: only issue there is with it it requires absolute pathnames. other than that, it works as advertised. |
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| 23:58.08 | simonlnu | lndir /path1 /path2 |
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| 23:58.31 | techie | simonlnu: absolute is what im after, i would do it by hand but that would take ages creating the directory tree |
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| 23:58.52 | simonlnu | no kidding... heh. that thing is fricking handy |
| 23:59.29 | techie | i always have trouble with this part though |
| 23:59.53 | techie | lndir /new_links /original_files |
