| 00:00.03 | techie | is that correct or is it the other way around |
| 00:00.16 | simonlnu | /orig /new |
| 00:00.21 | techie | cool |
| 00:00.41 | techie | so lndir /path_to_files /path_to_skeleton |
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| 00:07.55 | IndexPhinger | Hello |
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| 00:08.38 | IndexPhinger | Is there any slim chance I can compile a debian to run on a mobile phone as a small portable PC? |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | emdebian perhaps? |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | not sure about 'compile', but perhaps install |
| 00:08.54 | rawburt | I think people have it working on the N900 |
| 00:09.02 | mczhb | debootstrap |
| 00:09.11 | mczhb | its actually possible on android |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | that's side by side last i knew |
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| 00:10.18 | IndexPhinger | its a samsung galaxy Mini, I got xscreensaver working on it from within android |
| 00:10.36 | IndexPhinger | its really kludgy tho |
| 00:10.36 | techie | on android you can run debian inide a chroot, it works quite well i must add, although ive never managed to get X natively |
| 00:10.57 | IndexPhinger | I like ARM based processors :P |
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| 00:12.37 | mczhb | techie: what programms did you run? |
| 00:12.43 | IndexPhinger | Its kind of funny when people see me open my iPhone's screen from VNC on my debian rig, they're like "You have an iphone emulator?" |
| 00:13.12 | techie | mczhb: not much really, it was only for testing out the theory of it, not for actual use... i have an i5 at home for that |
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| 00:13.56 | mczhb | techie: how responsive is it? eg. ssh session? |
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| 00:14.42 | techie | mczhb: im not sure about responsiveness via ssh, but on the hardware itself it was snappy |
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| 00:22.26 | techie | i understand where the debian codenames come from, but is there any specific order to them? |
| 00:22.46 | simonlnu | order? |
| 00:22.53 | abrotman | techie: no |
| 00:23.03 | techie | well thats just confusing |
| 00:23.05 | simonlnu | only in terms of when each was released... |
| 00:23.09 | abrotman | techie: tehy're just names |
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| 00:30.47 | mazzanet | anyone know anything about openldap? |
| 00:31.02 | gnarface | mazzanet: i know i alittle |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 00:31.21 | abrotman | there's also a #ldap IIRC |
| 00:31.32 | mazzanet | i haven't changed my config in ages, but i just went to check on something |
| 00:31.53 | mazzanet | and i have "olcAccess: {0}to * by * none" on cn=config |
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| 00:33.39 | simonlnu | and #openldap |
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| 00:52.14 | rhenani | hello guys I've gotten the new version of testin debian from a netist iso |
| 00:52.29 | rhenani | and Installed it on a virtual machine in vmware workstation to taste it |
| 00:52.47 | rhenani | I am running debian squeeze 6.0.3 64 bits |
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| 00:52.57 | mczhb | rhenani: this is correct |
| 00:53.12 | mczhb | rhenani: there are two ways of installing sid (testing) |
| 00:53.24 | mczhb | select expert install during installation |
| 00:53.55 | mczhb | or change /etc/apt/sources.list squeeze -> sid, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:54.30 | rhenani | my virtual machine has nothing right now. no desktop enviroment. nothing |
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| 00:56.20 | rhenani | and |
| 00:56.29 | rhenani | I want to knoe |
| 00:56.44 | rhenani | what do I have to do to install the new version of gnome 3.6.0 |
| 00:56.50 | rhenani | in my virtual machine |
| 00:56.55 | dvs | ,v gnome |
| 00:56.56 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+2; sid: 1:3.4+4 |
| 00:57.06 | dvs | you cant |
| 00:57.14 | dvs | at least not with a Debian package |
| 00:57.17 | rhenani | why? |
| 00:57.31 | dvs | ,v gnome |
| 00:57.33 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+2; sid: 1:3.4+4 |
| 00:58.31 | rhenani | what do you exactly mean with that? |
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| 00:58.57 | dvs | The highest Debian package is for 3.4 |
| 01:00.31 | rhenani | ok that one works, so what would I have to do to get gnome 3.4 in my debian wheezy virtual machine? |
| 01:01.09 | dvs | aptitude install gnome? |
| 01:01.26 | rhenani | E: Unable to locate package.. |
| 01:01.31 | techie | su root -c apt-get install gnome ? |
| 01:02.13 | rhenani | It says this: E: Unable to locate package when I run: apt-get install gnome |
| 01:02.28 | techie | apt-get update ? |
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| 01:05.36 | abrotman | rhenani: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 01:05.54 | alesan^ | WTF? I want to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and it pulls in xserver-xorg and a lot of other stuff???? who made those dependencies? |
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| 01:07.01 | mczhb | you can disable recommends via --no-recommends |
| 01:07.19 | rhenani | abrotman: Could you explain how to do that. I am new. I am planing to do the same with my computer if It works in the virtual machine |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | don't think that'll do much .. those plugins are a lot of video codecs |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | rhenani: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 01:08.09 | alesan^ | mczhb, that option is not recognized |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | alesan^: use aptitude |
| 01:08.23 | alesan^ | I do not have aptitude |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | alesan^: install aptitude |
| 01:08.40 | Devastator | is this debian anyway? |
| 01:08.51 | alesan^ | why? I have limited space and I do not want unnecessary stuff |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | like gstreamer plugins ? |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | gstreamer installed is 2MB, aptitude is 1.5MB |
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| 01:09.34 | mczhb | my bad, its acutally "--no-install-recommends |
| 01:09.37 | alesan^ | --no-install-recommends seems to work with apt-get |
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| 01:09.58 | abrotman | but gstreamer-bad doesn't have any recommends, though the deps may |
| 01:10.00 | alesan^ | abrotman, what kind of advantage is there with aptitude? |
| 01:10.22 | alesan^ | abrotman, with that option I halved the "volume" of the install |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | alesan^: dependency/problem resolution .. there are many more advanced features |
| 01:11.14 | alesan^ | I hope to never have to use those features! |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | they're pretty useful |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | some of them anyway |
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| 01:12.50 | abrotman | such as, removing everything from the 'gnome' section .. aptitude purge '~sgnome' |
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| 01:15.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i fix the untrust key error on apt again.. |
| 01:15.41 | Devastator | install debian-keyring |
| 01:16.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | try |
| 01:16.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 01:17.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok now i see its the other packages no in offical repo |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | so install the key for that repo |
| 01:17.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup yup |
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| 01:22.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i was missin a key |
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| 01:42.10 | insync | i have the following locale settings: http://fpaste.org/GLTD/raw/ when i open gnome-terminal dates appear in greek, when i am inside tmux, dates are in english. why is that? |
| 01:42.17 | insync | locale -a: http://fpaste.org/K0QN/raw/ |
| 01:42.30 | insync | also the behaviour is different in urxvt where dates are always in english |
| 01:42.45 | insync | i would like my environment to be US besides currency and measurement settings. is that possible? |
| 01:43.25 | insync | im using gnome 3.4 fwiw |
| 01:43.50 | dioz | the ati drivers in the wheezy repo pop and crack a lot for me |
| 01:44.14 | dioz | gonna go back to the latest/greatest from the site |
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| 01:47.49 | insync | anyone have a clue? |
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| 01:49.02 | zinx | insync: there are probably LC_ environment variables you can set |
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| 01:49.21 | zinx | insync: man locale, though i forget which section has the goodies |
| 01:49.28 | zinx | insync: try 5/7/8 |
| 01:49.31 | insync | zinx: how do you mean? they are set |
| 01:49.48 | insync | did you see the first link? |
| 01:50.47 | zinx | insync: ah |
| 01:51.24 | zinx | insync: i'm going to blame gnome |
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| 01:52.37 | insync | i agree thats probably to blame |
| 01:54.04 | insync | do you think the settings are correct for what i want to achieve though? |
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| 02:12.17 | ARCADIVS | I need to use my regular home directory when I sudo to preserve my hard earned configurations. There is no point in /root. There is no root user. There are only users with and without root privileges. How do I remedy this situation? |
| 02:12.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey pees what tool i need to connect to an openvpn? |
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| 02:13.03 | gnarface | !openvpn |
| 02:13.04 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys and the openvpn-blacklist package. As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:14.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | :( |
| 02:15.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | that tells me hardly anything userfull. |
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| 02:16.11 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: it has the literal answer to your question in the second sentence. if that is not helpful enough i suggest you read the howto on openvpn.net (its pretty good) |
| 02:18.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 02:18.28 | ARCADIVS | Okay apparently all this time all I needed was sudo -E |
| 02:20.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | now i feel dumb he has a how-to on his page lol |
| 02:20.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | sudo -E? what does that do? |
| 02:20.54 | abrotman | man sudo ? |
| 02:21.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | fine i will look at it later |
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| 02:28.44 | stonerfish | now is the best time |
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| 02:38.37 | tables | i wanna run some bash commands at startup, what file can i edit? |
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| 02:39.26 | abrotman | !tell tables about run at startup |
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| 02:44.09 | McClein | hi how can i know my domain name? |
| 02:45.05 | abrotman | McClein: hostname -d |
| 02:45.50 | McClein | abrotman, is that what i need to set in /etc/ppp/peers/myvpn? |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | i have no idea |
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| 02:46.43 | McClein | thanks anyway |
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| 02:53.17 | blackshirt | hello |
| 02:53.36 | blackshirt | how we can search a package come from specific repository ? |
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| 02:54.14 | McClein | blackshirt, you can use the source button in synaptic |
| 02:54.41 | McClein | sorry, origin |
| 02:55.26 | blackshirt | McClein: i'm not on gui environment, i,m sitting on cli/text mode |
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| 02:56.16 | blackshirt | McClein: how we can do that on cli environment ? |
| 02:56.29 | McClein | what is cli? |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | !tell blackshirt about which repo |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | McClein: Command line, no X |
| 02:56.45 | McClein | ok |
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| 02:56.55 | blackshirt | McClein: command line, text based |
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| 02:58.01 | blackshirt | abrotman: can we just use apt-cache or aptitude tool ? i don't want install others tool ? |
| 02:58.52 | SiDz | why there's no more acidbase pkg on wheezy? |
| 02:59.35 | blackshirt | abrotman: can we just use apt-cache or aptitude tool ? i don't want install others tool ? |
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| 03:01.20 | McClein | where must i set remote and local ip for a point to point vpn? |
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| 03:06.13 | iateadonut | i installed a debian image on amazon ec2 - just wondering if anyone knows where i can point the browser to see my /var/www/index.html file |
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| 03:07.48 | McClein | iateadonut, did you look in /doc? |
| 03:07.58 | McClein | in the cd |
| 03:09.32 | iateadonut | i have a /user/share/doc directory |
| 03:09.37 | iateadonut | from the image that was installed |
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| 03:09.47 | McClein | ok |
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| 03:10.07 | McClein | is it not what you're looking for iateadonut ? |
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| 03:15.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | well so much for that i cant vpn to it |
| 03:15.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to bug the vpn peeps ttyl |
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| 03:18.02 | iateadonut | i think i've got it - maybe the port is not open. |
| 03:18.25 | iateadonut | it is responding to ssh requests but not ping; how can i tell what ports are open on a server? |
| 03:19.29 | gnarface | nmap |
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| 03:22.07 | iateadonut | thanks |
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| 03:50.27 | ARCADIVS | In Gentoo a symlink to the current linux kernel sources in use is maintained automatically as /usr/src/linux. Does Debian provide automatically provide such a symlink? |
| 03:51.00 | ARCADIVS | *Debian automatically |
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| 04:07.30 | jelly-home | ARCADIVS: no, but there are links in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/{build,source} if you install the matching headers for the running kernel |
| 04:08.14 | jelly-home | this is usually enough to build external modules |
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| 04:11.45 | ARCADIVS | jelly-home: see the thing is I want to add my kernel configuration to a git repository and I need the automatic /usr/src/linux symlink for that. |
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| 04:14.10 | ARCADIVS | (At least if I want changes to happen automatically when I install a new kernel.) |
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| 04:16.34 | jelly-home | ARCADIVS: if you use typical kernel packaging, you'll have the config at /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 04:21.04 | ARCADIVS | Yeah that's fine but my point is that git add /boot/config-$(uname-r) is not a permanent solution. I'm not sure what you're pointing out. |
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| 04:39.35 | gasull | How do you connect your Android phone so you can copy the pictures? |
| 04:39.45 | gasull | What program do you use? |
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| 04:41.26 | wilee-nilee | gasull, In ubuntu I use gMTP, you need a mtp tool. |
| 04:41.40 | jelly-home | ARCADIVS: sorry, I just see no reason why you need a fixed path |
| 04:41.45 | wilee-nilee | this is with a nexus 7 though |
| 04:43.03 | gasull | wilee-nilee: isn't that a media player? http://gmtp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:44.29 | wilee-nilee | gasull, I'm not sure in debian to be honest I use it as the page says to "Upload, Download, Removal, Renaming and Moving of files as needed" |
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| 04:44.54 | gasull | wilee-nilee: what's the ubuntu package? |
| 04:45.05 | redwarriors25 | how can i be the owner i create the debian 6.06 but i cant copy my files from the hard drive i inserted |
| 04:45.08 | wilee-nilee | gasull, gMTP |
| 04:45.23 | wilee-nilee | same one I suspect |
| 04:45.59 | gasull | wilee-nilee: so it is a media player but it also works for transferring files |
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| 04:48.14 | wilee-nilee | gasull, I have not seen the media player it may not be the same app, I was only suggesting that a mtp tool is probably needed and gMTP is the one I have used. I have W7 it is much easier ti use then linux for the nexus 7 ironically, lol. |
| 04:49.25 | gasull | wilee-nilee: thanks. I'm searching for MTP tools and I think I already found something. |
| 04:49.32 | wilee-nilee | cool |
| 04:49.41 | ARCADIVS | jelly-home: if I do a kernel update my git tree containing the kernel configuration wouldn't get changes to commit automatically without a fixed path. |
| 04:50.16 | ARCADIVS | But anyways what I want to know now is why don't I see an option for shell in update-alternatives. |
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| 04:50.29 | ARCADIVS | Is it not there at all? Do I need to install that option? |
| 04:50.47 | Zer000 | hello. I'm a bit lost on how to get wireless up and running. I see wlan0 when i do ifconfig, but there's no ip. What do? |
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| 04:51.39 | Zer000 | I should mention I'm not using X |
| 04:52.38 | redwarriors25 | how can i be the owner i create the debian 6.06 but i cant copy my files from the hard drive i inserted |
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| 04:53.27 | gasull | Zer000: sudo ip link set wlan0 up |
| 04:54.07 | jelly-home | ARCADIVS: what do you mean by shell, default login shell for new users? /bin/sh? the latter is not managed by alternatives |
| 04:54.21 | ARCADIVS | /bin/sh |
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| 04:54.23 | jelly-home | !dash |
| 04:54.23 | dpkg | dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of Squeeze and later releases, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old Squeeze installations: "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 04:55.55 | gasull | Zer000: I believe I read somewhere that you should use ip instead of ifconfig. Maybe it was in the #ipfilter channel. Anyway, if you still prefer wlan0, try sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 04:56.21 | ARCADIVS | jelly-home: okay that clears things up. Thanks. :) |
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| 04:58.22 | Zer000 | ggasull, i ran ip link set wlan0 up, still no ip. How do I know if i'm assiciated and request an ip (dhcp?) |
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| 04:58.38 | Zer000 | gasull** |
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| 05:00.25 | vivid | Zer000, you know, sometimes the router can cause issues. personally, i had to change some settings to get the macbook to play nice with the wireless |
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| 05:01.43 | Zer000 | vivid: so does the command "ip link set wlan0 up" know to use dhcp and request an ip? |
| 05:02.12 | Zer000 | Maybe you can link me to relevant documentation of getting wifi working? Its a wep protected access point |
| 05:02.25 | vivid | shrug, mine works automagically. im just saying, depending on your wireless chip, you might need to set the router up |
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| 05:05.54 | Zer000 | vivid: haha I had the essid wrong |
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| 05:07.03 | Zer000 | so now i'm associated but don't have an up..... |
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| 05:19.46 | Zer000 | for the record i got it - i had to edit /etc/network/interfaces and add my wlan0 there. then i rebooted. |
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| 05:46.27 | redwarriors25 | how can i be the owner i create the debian 6.06 but i cant copy my files from the hard drive i inserted |
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| 05:50.16 | tryy3 | hey i got a question about this page http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-dvd/ does it mean i haft to download debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-1.iso - debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-8.iso ? |
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| 06:01.40 | redwarriors25 | how can i be the owner i create the debian 6.06 but i cant copy my files from the hard drive i inserted |
| 06:03.42 | dawud | ,v linux-image |
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| 06:03.43 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 06:03.43 | oskie | tryy3: just get the netinst image, and download everything from the net instead. as for the DVDs I am not sure - the first DVD may be enough |
| 06:04.12 | missPapaya | when preseed runs the post script, where is the installed system? |
| 06:04.23 | missPapaya | I modified /target but I didn't see any results |
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| 06:05.20 | dawud | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 06:05.21 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+45~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+45; sid: 3.2+46 |
| 06:05.24 | tryy3 | oskie oh ok, |
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| 06:06.34 | dawud | ,v selinux-policy-src |
| 06:06.35 | judd | Package: selinux-policy-src on i386 -- lenny: 2:0.0.20080702-6; squeeze: 2:0.2.20100524-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 2:2.20110726-9; sid: 2:2.20110726-11 |
| 06:07.01 | dawud | !ssb |
| 06:07.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 06:21.55 | dawud | ,v puppet |
| 06:21.56 | judd | Package: puppet on i386 -- lenny: 0.24.5-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.24.5-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.6.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.7.18-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.7.18-2; wheezy: 2.7.18-2; experimental: 3.0.0~rc2-1 |
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| 06:31.02 | nmschulte | o/ |
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| 06:34.02 | redwarriors25 | how to set the login as a root in settings |
| 06:34.22 | nmschulte | I'm wanting to use fglrx with X.org's X on debian sid. |
| 06:34.45 | nmschulte | The wiki says to use version < sid, because the API/ABI changes too often for fglrx. |
| 06:34.56 | nmschulte | Looking at the package manager, X in Wheezy is the same as X in sid. |
| 06:34.59 | nmschulte | What should I do? |
| 06:35.22 | nmschulte | Are the versions of the dependencies different from Wheezy -> Sid? |
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| 06:36.03 | redwarriors25 | how to set the login as a root in settings |
| 06:36.09 | redwarriors25 | upon restart |
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| 06:37.07 | redwarriors25 | how to i view the root content |
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| 06:45.53 | redwarriors25 | how to check version of apache in debian 6.06 |
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| 06:47.59 | nvz | ,versions apache |
| 06:48.00 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 06:48.04 | nvz | ,versions apache2 |
| 06:48.05 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; sid: 2.2.22-11; wheezy: 2.2.22-11; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
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| 06:48.36 | nvz | redwarriors25: that'd be squeeze so.. 2.2.16-16+squeeze8 |
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| 06:49.24 | bullgard4 | 'mysql> dbBegriffe2011 source backup-file.sql' responds: "->". What does that mean? |
| 06:49.39 | nvz | redwarriors25: in the future, you can check packages.debian.org or come here and /msg judd versions foo |
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| 06:54.40 | mrklowny | I'm having the issue where I put Wheezy on a usb and when I go to install, the cd rom is not detected. I don't have any cd's so does anyone know the fix for this? |
| 06:54.44 | nvz | bullgard4: nfc, but two things I'm curious about is what is the "dbBegriffe2011" and what makes you think it has any idea what backup-file.sql is? |
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| 06:55.15 | nvz | i.e. you can do this from your actual shell i.e. bash/dash, where it has a PATH and such.. I'm not sure mysql would understand a relative path name |
| 06:55.39 | nvz | and also near as I can tell the source command goes first.. and takes one argument.. so.. |
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| 06:55.47 | bullgard4 | nvz: What does "nfc" stand for? |
| 06:55.56 | nvz | bullgard4: means I don't know |
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| 06:58.17 | nvz | mrklowny: well for one thing use squeeze, then if you must, upgrade.. difference being you're using a stable installer, not one being rolled nightly that may have issues and isn't supported in THIS channel, and another might be to try using unetbootin, its fairly simple and has always worked well for me |
| 06:58.52 | redwarriors25 | how to set the login as a root in settings |
| 06:58.58 | Sm0ke0ut | bullgard4: near field communication (as far as I know) |
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| 06:59.11 | nvz | redwarriors25: no clue what you're talking about, you're going to need to be more specific |
| 06:59.11 | Sm0ke0ut | oh :P |
| 06:59.44 | nvz | redwarriors25: elaborate on what "the" is |
| 07:00.01 | mrklowny | Unetbootin is where I'm having the problem. |
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| 07:00.09 | bullgard4 | nvz: I have read that the command 'source filename.sql' is to be used to read in my backup dump file. When I did at the mysql prompt 'source backup-file.sql', mysql responded: "Query ok, 0 rows affected. ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected." |
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| 07:01.00 | nvz | bullgard4: I have read that source filename.sql is to run a SQL script.. i.e. must contain valid MYSQL commands just as you'd type them there on the interactive shell |
| 07:01.20 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: This does not make sense to me in this scope. |
| 07:01.36 | nvz | bullgard4: sadly I dont know crap about this, was just trying to help you figure it out since most people seem to be sleepin right now :-P |
| 07:02.02 | nvz | bullgard4: there is a mysql help channel #mysql on this network |
| 07:02.57 | bullgard4 | nvz: Yes. Let me see what I can do about it. -- I attended the channel which you mentioned. It is full of trolls. |
| 07:03.19 | nvz | hah, oh well.. was worth a try.. |
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| 07:03.39 | bullgard4 | nvz: Yes indeed. -- Thank you. |
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| 07:03.55 | Sm0ke0ut | what command are you performing? |
| 07:04.02 | nvz | bullgard4: so let me get this straight, you did what? dumped an entire database using mysqldump? |
| 07:04.15 | nvz | and now want to load it back onto a server? |
| 07:04.18 | bullgard4 | nvz: Yes I did. |
| 07:04.43 | bullgard4 | nvz: No. I moved th dump to another operarting system (Debian) |
| 07:05.02 | nvz | bullgard4: this seems to be the method of restoring a dump file "mysql -h hostname -u user --password=password databasename < filename" |
| 07:05.05 | Sm0ke0ut | mysql -Ddatabase < source.sql |
| 07:05.12 | bullgard4 | nvz: Now I want to reconstruct this database in Debian. |
| 07:05.24 | nvz | bullgard4: from your shell, now mind you, you will have to create the database first in order to do this I would imagine |
| 07:05.47 | Sm0ke0ut | depends how the dump is being made |
| 07:05.57 | nvz | well then you sound like you know more than I do.. heh |
| 07:06.01 | nvz | I'm just guessing |
| 07:06.05 | bullgard4 | nvz: How to create the database from my shell? |
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| 07:06.28 | Sm0ke0ut | mysql -uUser -p |
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| 07:06.32 | Sm0ke0ut | CREATE DATABASE name; |
| 07:06.34 | nvz | I know from the mysql shell you use CREATE in some form or another |
| 07:06.48 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: Tha dump has been meade using the 'mysqldump' command. |
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| 07:07.42 | nvz | I personally try to make good use of CSV files and sqlite databases, I've only issued a handful of SQL commands in my day/ hah |
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| 07:09.26 | nvz | mrklowny: well this may be where your problem is compounding.. IDK how up to date unetbootin keeps its sources and being that you're trying to do wheezy directly you're probably not only pulling a TESTING installer, but a STALE one at that |
| 07:09.54 | nvz | mrklowny: hence my recommendation, as most people in here would tell you (I've been here for about 12 years), install stable then upgrade |
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| 07:10.14 | nvz | mrklowny: only time anyone would recommend you actually use a testing installer is if you are in fact testing the installer ;) |
| 07:10.37 | nvz | mrklowny: support for that is on #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net IIRC |
| 07:10.43 | nvz | !d-i |
| 07:10.43 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 07:11.50 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: The command ' CREATE DATABASE name;' was successful. |
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| 07:12.38 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: How can I now reconstruct my backed up database? |
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| 07:13.02 | Sm0ke0ut | mysql -Dname < file.sql |
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| 07:17.49 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: 'root@T61:/home/<username># mysql dbBegriffe2011 < backup-file.sql; ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
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| 07:18.27 | Sm0ke0ut | mysql -p -Dname < file.sql |
| 07:18.58 | Sm0ke0ut | assuming the root user still exists, but with password protection |
| 07:19.12 | Sm0ke0ut | if not, you should add `-uUsername` as parameter |
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| 07:19.17 | Sm0ke0ut | replace Username ofcourse :) |
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| 07:21.11 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: My computer has accepted apparently: The hard disk indicator flashed a few times and I have not got any error message. How can I check if this command was successful? |
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| 07:23.34 | Sm0ke0ut | mysql -p -Dname -e"SHOW TABLES;" |
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| 07:24.00 | gtredx69 | I have a WD My book live, which runs a version of Debian. I have installed 'transmisson' (torrent client) on the device. My problem is I want to add make transmission secure with the use of OpenVPN or anoter option is to install another client that supports openVPN but would need alot of help as I have limited knowlege of Debian and Linux in general. There is also this link which seems very |
| 07:24.00 | gtredx69 | promising (http://highlevelbits.free.fr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=626%3Aopenvpn-mybook-live&catid=79%3Aopenvpn&Itemid=82&lang=en) but it looks like it will reduce access to my device in general instead if just the torrent side. Any advice be appreciated |
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| 07:28.54 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: »# mysql -p -dbBegriffe2011 -e"SHOW TABLES;"; mysql: unknown option #-d |
| 07:29.16 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: »# mysql -p -dbBegriffe2011 -e"SHOW TABLES;"; mysql: unknown option '-d'« |
| 07:29.36 | Sm0ke0ut | -db? |
| 07:29.47 | Sm0ke0ut | I think you need to replace that with -D |
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| 07:30.24 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: What exactly do I have to replace wirh '-D'? |
| 07:30.39 | Sm0ke0ut | your database is named 'Begriffe2011' ? |
| 07:31.12 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: No. It is named 'dbBegriffe2011'. |
| 07:31.45 | Sm0ke0ut | ok, in that case try: mysql -p -DdbBegriffe2011 -e"SHOW TABLES;" |
| 07:32.06 | Sm0ke0ut | with the -D parameter you select the database you want to use |
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| 07:37.08 | nvz | gtredx69: do you even understand what a VPN is? |
| 07:37.09 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: » mysql -p -DdbBegriffe2011 -e"SHOW TABLES;"; Enter password: ***; ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ':' at line 1." |
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| 07:37.50 | nvz | gtredx69: because pretty much anything works with a VPN.. its just a secure tunnel between two trusted networks across an untrusted network (the internet) |
| 07:38.08 | Sm0ke0ut | not sure where the ':' is coming form bullgard4 |
| 07:38.08 | nvz | once that tunnel is open, all apps work the way they normally do, they need not be aware of the VPN |
| 07:38.20 | Sm0ke0ut | another aproach will just be `mysql -p` |
| 07:38.28 | Sm0ke0ut | USE dbBegriffe2011; |
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| 07:38.32 | Sm0ke0ut | SHOW TABLES; |
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| 07:39.11 | Sm0ke0ut | if the database doesn't exist or throws an error you can try; SHOW DATABASES; |
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| 07:39.29 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: I made a mistake. |
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| 07:40.42 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: I inadvertently typed ':' instead of ';'. Now your command shows all table names of my imported database. |
| 07:41.05 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 07:41.16 | nvz | gtredx69: this would only help for accessing your bittorent client, you can't exactly tunnel the client's traffic through a VPN unless all peers of the torrents were also on the VPN, so.. yeah.. you're not going to make bittorent more secure in that respect, you're just gonna make it not work. |
| 07:41.18 | Sm0ke0ut | no problem :-) |
| 07:41.24 | gtredx69 | nvz: I have a basic knowlege of VPN, I am just looking a way to direct my torrent traffic through the VPN and 'Transmission' client dosen't give any GUI options |
| 07:42.15 | xand | you make the vpn gw your default gw |
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| 07:42.39 | nvz | gtredx69: you can't direct your torrent traffic through an encrypted tunnel and achieve any security really.. unless your peers are also on the VPN, and thus have access to your network just the same if you didn't use a vpn |
| 07:42.50 | Sm0ke0ut | any reason why you want to redirect torrent traffic trough a VPN connection? VPN is really not designed for that |
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| 07:43.05 | nvz | all that'd do is keep people outside the vpn from knowing wth you're doing, and participating as peers |
| 07:43.41 | nvz | and inherantly allowing all peers to be on your local network, which if they're not trusted peers, then you're actually introducing a serious security hole |
| 07:44.00 | gtredx69 | will give you a better idea of my plan, trying to be a bit more secure but let me know what you think. I am using a company called bolehvpn to hopefully route certain traffic over there network using vpn |
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| 07:45.00 | bullgard4 | Sm0ke0ut: All's well. You made my day! |
| 07:45.46 | nvz | gtredx69: well in doing something such as that, you're 1) putting complete trust in the VPN provider and they can compromise your security at multiple levels and anyone that compromises them, compromises you.. and all you're protecting yourself from when still connecting to endpoints such as torrent peers on the public internet, is achieving security from other people on YOUR network |
| 07:45.47 | Sm0ke0ut | VPN doesn't really work that way. I think you're more looking in some sort of proxy/SOCKS routing |
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| 07:46.16 | nvz | I guess if I was gonna number that list, I needed a 2) in there.. heh |
| 07:46.40 | UukGoblin | so that dist-upgrade worked yesterday |
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| 07:47.12 | UukGoblin | but it looks like gnome got updated and all of: desktop icons, launcher shortcuts, panel widgets are gone |
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| 07:48.06 | nvz | gtredx69: i.e. if I got my router here, and you and me are both on this router, and I connect to foobar vpn service and use it to download a torrent from Sm0ke0ut, I'm still open from said VPN service to Sm0ke0ut, I'm only encrypted from me to the foobar vpn service so that YOU can't tell what I'm doing.. even though we're on the same router |
| 07:48.12 | UukGoblin | even when I choose "gnome classic" |
| 07:48.24 | UukGoblin | the wallpaper's gone too :-/ |
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| 07:48.42 | Sm0ke0ut | depending on the VPN connection/protocol it's not that secure either |
| 07:49.01 | gtredx69 | i get your puting your trust with another provider but I ain't doing nything were the CIA or who ever is gonna be coming 4 me, just looking to add extra security |
| 07:49.51 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, dist-upgrade in what? |
| 07:50.00 | nvz | gtredx69: yes but what I'm telling you is a VPN worst case scenario breaks the usefulness of bitttorent, and best case only provides you minimal privacy.. i.e. on a university network where torrents aren't allowed, so you tunnel past the Uni to a provider.. |
| 07:50.04 | UukGoblin | boudiccas, from squeeze to sid |
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| 07:50.15 | gtredx69 | I done alot of reseah on wilders security forum and thid VPX seems to be generally accepted as the best |
| 07:50.37 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, ah, right, i'm on wheezy and theres been no gnome upgrades for a day or two, sorry, cant help |
| 07:50.49 | Sm0ke0ut | gtredx69: using transmission you said? |
| 07:50.57 | nvz | gtredx69: yeah well sounds to me like as you said initially you don't know very much and you're just failing to understand that ESPECIALLY in the case of torrents, VPN isn't going to help |
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| 07:51.14 | Sm0ke0ut | go to settings > peer; and set "Encyption Mode" to "require encryption" |
| 07:51.28 | Trewas | nvz: using VPN at least hides your own IP-address from other torrent users, which may help if the company providing VPN is less likely to give out your name than your own ISP |
| 07:51.37 | nvz | gtredx69: if you and me wanted to share a file directly.. and we used a VPN.. that would create a tunnel directly from you to me.. encrypted end to end.. nobody inbetween could see what we were doing. |
| 07:51.44 | nvz | Trewas: so does a proxy and much easier |
| 07:51.47 | Sm0ke0ut | Trewas: for that reason I say socks proxy :) |
| 07:52.08 | UukGoblin | boudiccas, just wondering if trashing all user's settings between major releases is the indended behaviour :-S |
| 07:52.23 | nvz | torrents on the other hand aren't like that.. they're not end-to-end connections.. they're a swarm of peers.. and by closing them off you're just making it less effective and might as well not be using torrent in the first place |
| 07:52.24 | UukGoblin | at least some option to import them would be cool... |
| 07:52.56 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, is this the dist-upgrade from squueeze to sid and with a reboot in between? |
| 07:53.07 | UukGoblin | boudiccas, yes |
| 07:53.39 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, so it hasnt come up properly from the reboot then? maybe i'd try reboon to see if it then takes |
| 07:53.51 | UukGoblin | boudiccas, it's up allright |
| 07:53.53 | boudiccas | reboot again |
| 07:54.01 | UukGoblin | it's just that gnome's experience is totally different |
| 07:54.01 | nvz | gtredx69: the main goal of a VPN is to create a secure connection between two remote networks, using a middleman not only means you trust that middleman, but that everything beyond them is not secure. Its the same as just using a basic proxy or something like tor |
| 07:54.11 | UukGoblin | some flashy activities and expose on by default |
| 07:54.29 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, remeber you're on gnome3 which si different from squeeze's gnome2 |
| 07:54.37 | UukGoblin | and all the meticulously created panel apps and settings like themes and wallpapers are gone |
| 07:55.31 | boudiccas | UukGoblin, sounds par for the course with gnome3. it wouldnt take any settings from gnome2 as its all different |
| 07:55.42 | Sm0ke0ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extranet |
| 07:57.42 | gtredx69 | I get that, if you place your security into the hands of a 3rd party there will be an issue of trust, but let me put this in my way so I get this right. I connected to my VPN provider from there am connection is then assigned another IP which goes out into the big bad web, then it returens to my VPN company and then back to me. The security comes from my VPN company assiging another ip to the |
| 07:57.43 | gtredx69 | data so not to implcate me, now if my vpn give up my data well than I am screwed but it comes down to trust and what records the vpn company hold |
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| 07:59.11 | nvz | gtredx69: thats EXACTLY what a proxy does, and tor takes it a step further.. its constantly switching your IP and routing it through a vast network of hosts all over the globe.. slows your stuff down a bit, but makes it so I not only can't tell your IP, but I can't attempt to trace it because by time I've gone 2 hops towards you, your whole route has changed |
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| 08:00.30 | nvz | gtredx69: what you're failing to understand is that VPN is MORE than just a proxy, its an encrypted tunnel makes things problematic for certain kinds of internet protocols.. not only that, but you don't need a program to be compatible.. once the tunnel is open, traffic goes through it regardless |
| 08:00.32 | redwarriors25 | how to enable log in as user in debian squeeze |
| 08:00.59 | Sm0ke0ut | redwarriors25: err? :) |
| 08:01.21 | Sm0ke0ut | redwarriors25: you mean something like su / sudo ? |
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| 08:01.37 | nvz | gtredx69: with a proxy, you have to configure each app to use it.. with a vpn, you open the tunnel, it creates a whole new network interface for that tunnel.. tun0 for example.. that tun0 has an IP ON THE VPN.. and anything going through that tunnel interface which works just like a normal eth0 interface, is using the VPN.. it doesn't know that, it doesn't care.. it just is |
| 08:02.09 | redwarriors25 | upon login in the dektop |
| 08:02.18 | redwarriors25 | as root already |
| 08:02.24 | gtredx69 | starting to trickle in my brain lol,, there is also a proxy service I can make use of its just figuring how to make transmission look to my proxy as there is no GUI options. |
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| 08:02.48 | nvz | gtredx69: so there is no how to make transmission, or internet explorer, or britney spears use a vpn.. there is just login to the vpn, and now britney spears is in the tunnel.. she doesn't know it.. but she is.. |
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| 08:03.56 | redwarriors25 | as root already |
| 08:04.36 | gtredx69 | lol very good, ok but I need to be able to tell what program where to look.. iexplorer internet options, connections, lan settings to direct your traffic |
| 08:05.16 | nvz | redwarriors25: its a very bad idea to run your system as root. there are far better ways to address things that need root permissions. |
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| 08:10.01 | nvz | gtredx69: typically in your scenario you'd do what whomever said to you earlier.. make the tunnel endpoint your default gateway so that all traffic goes through there or otherwise use your local firewall on the device or on the nearest router to route the traffic there. |
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| 08:14.40 | Trewas | nvz: btw why would VPN create more problems for bittorrent etc compared to using a proxy? with a proxy you won't be getting incoming connections which work fine with VPN (assuming the VPN address is not NATted/firewalled) |
| 08:15.18 | nvz | Trewas: creates a bottleneck at the VPN for such a high connection, high bandwidth protocol |
| 08:15.28 | nvz | and the security is hypothetical at best |
| 08:16.07 | Trewas | nvz: well yes, but surely if a company is providing bittorrent-friendly VPN service they have more bandwidth than a random proxy or TOR |
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| 08:16.33 | nvz | I've done my fair share of illegal shtuff online.. he'll if you threw it all in front of a local judge I could probably be in jail for more lifetimes than there are debian users.. and yet the only thing I got even warned about was one time I had an ftp server and it was crawled by a website that isn't the same now as it was then, and listed copyrighted music files I had on my drive |
| 08:17.18 | redwarriors25 | but i need to do that because i will copy smthng important |
| 08:17.27 | nvz | furthermore, as a hypothetical federal agent, if I want to bust you for this torrent you're sharing I'm just gonna get a warrant and subpoena your VPN provider and ISP and I'll get you anyhow |
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| 08:18.29 | nvz | redwarriors25: you can run individual apps as root without running the whole computer as root.. what you need to do is back up and ask a question that explains what you're actually trying to do, rather than how you think it needs to be done. |
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| 08:19.05 | Trewas | nvz: besides, having an IP from a country where you don't live can be surprisingly effective here in the european side of the pond, for example if I would torrent finnish music using a VPN in netherlands, there is zero change that the finnish copyright holder would come after me |
| 08:19.11 | nvz | redwarriors25: it might also help to mention if you don't speak good english, what you native language is.. or otherwise what is causing you to have been asking this for hours now and not making any sense to long time supporters who understand english |
| 08:19.30 | Sm0ke0ut | Trewas: not really nowdays |
| 08:19.46 | Sm0ke0ut | the law for that is slowly changing here :) |
| 08:20.24 | Trewas | Sm0ke0ut: copyright holders like the low hanging fruits, dealing with justice in another country is always more of a bother |
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| 08:21.08 | Sm0ke0ut | depends |
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| 08:21.30 | nvz | all I'd like people to understand is that when it comes to any form of security be it you're worried about privacy, integrity, viruses, ad cookies, whatever.. your best options are education and change of your behaviors.. security is an idea at best.. its not something you can install.. cause hackers don't just apt-get install uber-1337-tool and run it and if it doesn't work say "oh well" and move on |
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| 08:22.05 | nvz | the people who can or will get you, will... bottom line.. so unless you have less of a life, more time, and more knowledge than that particular person, you have no defense.. |
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| 08:22.18 | redwarriors25 | i need it the command |
| 08:22.32 | nvz | redwarriors25: you were already told that su or sudo could help |
| 08:22.56 | nvz | redwarriors25: what you need is to be able to make sense.. you're failing to use complete sentances, to paint a picture of what your problem is.. |
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| 08:23.26 | Sm0ke0ut | Though IP addresses are not counted as legit evidence in here (but that probably depends per country) |
| 08:23.34 | redwarriors25 | in a log in session i want to log as a root |
| 08:23.38 | redwarriors25 | thats what i mean |
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| 08:23.57 | nvz | redwarriors25: su - |
| 08:25.24 | nvz | redwarriors25: if you mean on the graphical desktop.. then just leave now.. cause nobody is gonna tell you how to do that.. its unshamedly foolish. If you need to access say a file that needs root permissions, either you need to adjust the permissions of the file, the user, or run ONE specific program as root.. thats all speculation because you still haven't stated what your problem is |
| 08:27.26 | redwarriors25 | it says i have dnt have permission to view the contents of the root |
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| 08:27.53 | nvz | redwarriors25: what says this? and the root of what? as in / the root of the VFS? |
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| 08:28.29 | redwarriors25 | in the root folder sir because i cant delete what i copy in my /home |
| 08:29.11 | nvz | redwarriors25: now you're getting somewhere.. so you would like to temporarily run your filemanager as root to fix something. Are you using GNOME? |
| 08:29.34 | redwarriors25 | yes |
| 08:29.41 | redwarriors25 | sorry for that |
| 08:29.47 | redwarriors25 | yes om using gnome |
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| 08:30.58 | nvz | redwarriors25: can you manage bringing up a terminal window? |
| 08:31.14 | redwarriors25 | yes |
| 08:31.51 | nvz | redwarriors25: gksu nautilus |
| 08:32.08 | nvz | redwarriors25: should ask you for your root pw then open your filemanager with root permissions |
| 08:32.29 | nvz | personally when I wind up with root files accidentally in my home I just chmod them from the command line |
| 08:32.41 | nvz | or chown -R nvz:nvz /home/nvz |
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| 08:34.10 | nvz | cause its really not a good idea to run even nautilus as root, can ruin the whole system far too easily |
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| 08:35.20 | redwarriors25 | all access is it correct 777 |
| 08:35.50 | nvz | redwarriors25: yes.. but please ask for advice before you go changing permissions outside your homedir.. you can screw the whole system up |
| 08:36.24 | nvz | and you're not the greatest question asker in the first place.. heh.. would be a nightmare to undo the damage you can cause |
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| 08:39.29 | madtux | good morning to everyone |
| 08:39.38 | bjelleklang | morning madtux |
| 08:39.53 | redwarriors25 | hehe its already safe because im just transfering the debian lenny webserver to squeeze i have my clone :D |
| 08:40.02 | madtux | sorry guys just a quick one |
| 08:40.07 | jeredepp | i noticed that useradd and adduser don't behave the same way, so for ex. useradd adds a user (doesn't create the home) and so on. But i wanted to know what the differences are, so far googling only brought me the answer that useradd is distrospecific, does anyone know what the main difference between a user reated in useradd and one created with adduser is? |
| 08:40.17 | nvz | redwarriors25: ah well why the hell didn't you say that.. coulda gave you way better advice |
| 08:40.31 | nvz | redwarriors25: nautilus is the slowest imaginable way to do that.. you'd wanna use rsync |
| 08:40.35 | madtux | anyone know how to get the output from a grep over ssh connection? |
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| 08:41.25 | bjelleklang | madtux, what do you mean? Have you stored the output in a file on another machine? |
| 08:41.31 | themill | madtux: what do you mean by that? (what have you tried, what's not working?) |
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| 08:42.31 | nvz | redwarriors25: not even to mention rsync can be resumed if something should go wrong during massive data transfers and it has means of properly preserving file permissions |
| 08:42.46 | madtux | sorry I mean saving the output locally from a remote machine |
| 08:42.52 | madtux | over ssh |
| 08:42.53 | redwarriors25 | sorry my fault |
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| 08:43.09 | nirvana | > |
| 08:43.27 | nvz | redwarriors25: just think of support like this.. if you have to ask, you obviously don't know.. so explain what you're doing and let people come up with ideas of how to do it |
| 08:43.42 | bjelleklang | madtux, one way is to store it first on the remote machine, and then use scp to transfer the file |
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| 08:44.26 | nirvana | or a script which upload the output to pastebin.com |
| 08:44.34 | nirvana | i dont know that simple script |
| 08:45.25 | nvz | redwarriors25: if the dest fills up, or any kind of error occurs a normal file copy is dead in the water and you have no idea what made it and what didn't.. rsync examines the src and dst first and only moves what needs to be, can compress it to make it quicker, can preserve file permissions, can resume if it gets interrupted.. and can be done remotely over a network |
| 08:46.23 | nvz | nirvana: are you aware of the fact you've only said 3 lines that don't add up to making any sense? |
| 08:46.47 | nvz | nirvana: I think you may be looking for pastebinit |
| 08:47.04 | nvz | !info pastebinit |
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| 08:47.21 | nirvana | thanks mate |
| 08:47.28 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 426 kB |
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| 08:48.40 | themill | madtux: something like «ssh foo.example.com grep bar pr0n/index > results.txt» ? |
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| 08:49.44 | nvz | just realized nirvana was attempting to answer madtux |
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| 08:50.36 | madtux | nirvana sorry but the script is run via cronjob so in this case I've a problem to retrieve the output |
| 08:51.06 | nvz | madtux: use a redirect to a file then scp the file back if need be |
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| 08:51.16 | themill | madtux: you keep moving the goal posts on us... |
| 08:51.45 | nvz | but as far as I'm concerned anywhere there is a script there can be a redirect or a pipe sending it to a file or to pastebinit |
| 08:51.57 | nvz | scripts are editable |
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| 08:52.33 | bjelleklang | nvz, afaik using > to redirect output to a file from grep should work, even in cron |
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| 08:52.59 | madtux | look bjelleklang I've tried yesterday and still didn't work |
| 08:53.05 | bjelleklang | And if need be, just write a short script that runs after the cronjob that transfers the file, either by scp, pastebinit or whatever |
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| 08:54.09 | madtux | ok thanks for the ideas |
| 08:54.16 | madtux | I'll let you know shortly |
| 08:54.20 | nvz | I think what we need is to modify the ircd yet again, so that when people /j #debian they get delivered a valium or something.. so they're calm |
| 08:54.59 | nvz | cause it happens to the best of us..we're so frustrated by the problem by time we get to asking for help, we're getting in our own way |
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| 08:55.13 | carrera | Greetings Everyone! :) |
| 08:55.18 | nvz | o/ |
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| 09:01.24 | L337hium | good morning :) |
| 09:01.37 | carrera | Hi L337hium |
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| 09:04.20 | redwarriors25 | do u know dis nano etc/pam.d/gdm3 |
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| 09:05.45 | Danielss89 | Hi |
| 09:06.12 | Danielss89 | I'm playing around with Jenkins and i need a command to "exit 0" |
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| 09:06.25 | Danielss89 | this is the command i run "phpcs module/ --report=checkstyle --report-file=checkstyle-result.xml" |
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| 09:06.44 | Danielss89 | and the docs says "… and the build is considered a failure if any of the commands exits with a non-zero exit code." |
| 09:06.59 | Danielss89 | i've tried with "phpcs module/ --report=checkstyle --report-file=checkstyle-result.xml && exit 0" but it doesn't seem to work |
| 09:07.00 | babilen | Danielss89: What does #jenkins think about it? |
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| 09:07.35 | Danielss89 | babilen: well i'm asking in there, but i don't think it's a jenkins error.. |
| 09:08.05 | Danielss89 | babilen: well if "phpcs module/ --report=checkstyle --report-file=checkstyle-result.xml && exit 0" is the right way to do it, it might be a jenkins error :D |
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| 09:08.39 | babilen | Danielss89: What error exactly? "exit 0" does definitely exit with 0 |
| 09:08.48 | babilen | Danielss89: To do what? |
| 09:09.28 | Danielss89 | babilen: well i'm not getting mych |
| 09:09.29 | Danielss89 | much* |
| 09:09.30 | Danielss89 | http://ds.gl/59443d.png |
| 09:09.42 | Danielss89 | i'm only told that[workspace] $ /bin/sh -xe /tmp/hudson6143940460690787954.sh |
| 09:09.43 | Danielss89 | + phpcs module/ --report=checkstyle --report-file=checkstyle-result.xml |
| 09:09.44 | Danielss89 | Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure |
| 09:10.13 | Danielss89 | wait.. it seems like it ignores " && exit 0" |
| 09:10.40 | nvz | Danielss89: heh, you realize && implies to only do what's over here if the last command was successful right? |
| 09:10.55 | babilen | Danielss89: Ok, to shed some light on your issue. How did you install jenkins? What are you actually trying to do and why are you executing (seemingly random) shell scripts? |
| 09:11.11 | nvz | Danielss89: this means do this; then do that. This means do this and if it's successful && do that |
| 09:11.16 | Danielss89 | nvz: no xD i was just told to add that so it exited 0 |
| 09:11.36 | nvz | Danielss89: thats ridiculous cause && exit 0 is a pointless command |
| 09:11.45 | babilen | Danielss89: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 09:11.50 | Danielss89 | sec |
| 09:11.53 | nvz | cause that'll only run if something exits 0 |
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| 09:12.24 | Danielss89 | babilen: i just downloaded jenkinks.war from their site.. |
| 09:12.55 | Danielss89 | babilen: Debian 6.0.5 |
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| 09:13.16 | babilen | Danielss89: Well, then ask in #jenkins -- We provide a Debian package of jenkins for wheezy and sid that comes with an init script. Unfortunately you cannot easily backport that to Squeeze. |
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| 09:13.43 | Danielss89 | and i'm new to jenkins so right now i'm just playing around.. It's a PHP project and i just want to run codesniffer |
| 09:13.48 | nvz | Danielss89: false && echo "this will never appear" |
| 09:13.48 | babilen | (that == the jenkins package) |
| 09:13.50 | Danielss89 | babilen: ok |
| 09:13.57 | nvz | Danielss89: true; echo "this will always appear" |
| 09:14.06 | nvz | erm s/true/false/ |
| 09:14.08 | Danielss89 | nvz: ok, so theres no way to make the command exit 0? |
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| 09:14.46 | nvz | Danielss89: not that I'm aware.. I'm just pointing out how f'n stupid it is for anyone to ever say "&& exit 0" cause its only going to get there if the command before exited 0 |
| 09:14.48 | babilen | Danielss89: If the command *itself* doesn't exit 0 you cannot make it to. Well, you can, but that would mean that you fix the error that caused it to exit with a different value than 0 |
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| 09:15.05 | babilen | nvz: heh :) |
| 09:15.11 | Danielss89 | nvz: haha ok :D |
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| 09:16.10 | Sevet | '&& exit 0' would only exit 0 if the command also exit 0 (so pointless) |
| 09:16.13 | Danielss89 | babilen: hmm what if i create a shell script with that command and then exit 0 and call this script instead.. |
| 09:16.21 | Sevet | '|| exit 0' would exit 0 on any error, hiding/overriding the exit code |
| 09:16.28 | babilen | Danielss89: Seriously: Discuss this is |
| 09:17.26 | Danielss89 | babilen: in #jenkins ok, i just thought it was more a scripting problem than a jenkins problem |
| 09:17.43 | carrera | for some reason NTFS-3G doesn't recognize NTFS formatted usb and drives on my Debian Wheezy. Any ideas are highly appreciated. |
| 09:17.54 | babilen | Danielss89: (sorry) ... in #jenkins as they are much more likely to know their software. I would personally recommend to maybe play with this in a wheezy chroot/virtual machine/installation. Do you want to deploy this? Is it meant to be accessible on the internet? |
| 09:18.20 | Danielss89 | babilen: well not right now :D but in the future it is |
| 09:18.31 | babilen | Danielss89: You might be able to use our (i.e. Debian's) init script to start whatever war you downloaded from them, but I have no idea if that is a good idea. |
| 09:18.56 | Danielss89 | babilen: ok thx :) |
| 09:19.04 | Danielss89 | || exit 0 did the trick |
| 09:19.47 | babilen | Danielss89: The problem with jenkins (or at least the Debian package) is that backporting it to Squeeze involves backporting a couple of other packages too. (See "/msg judd checkbackport jenkins") This is certainly doable, but might be some effort. |
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| 09:21.09 | babilen | Danielss89: Doing so would, however, get your a jenkins package that is well integrated into Debian as opposed to whatever you are doing now. From *my* perspective I would prefer that and I therefore recommend to play with Jenkins in wheezy but deploy it on Squeeze by using backports. |
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| 09:21.42 | Danielss89 | babilen: thx, i'll look into doing that :) |
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| 09:23.50 | babilen | Danielss89: I furthermore recommend to discuss this in #jenkins as they are probably well aware of the fact that their software is not in the repositories of some distributions. I also know that java-land doesn't really care at all about distributions and prefers "the almighty [jw]ar". This means that you can probably just run it directly |
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| 09:25.58 | babilen | Danielss89: This doesn't mean that it is well integrated into Debian (or Ubuntu or RedHat or Fedora or SuSe or ..) but it might get you running. In the long term (and if this is a professional setup) I would either: 1. Make 100% sure that the upstream blessed way of doing things integrates well with the distribution (i.e. install to /usr/local, good init scripts, ...) or 2. Deploy on a platform that actually supports jenkins. I wouldn't consider ... |
| 09:26.04 | babilen | ... Debian to be the best choice for this (frankly) as our *stable* release doesn't come with jenkins |
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| 09:26.07 | wiherek | Hi |
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| 09:26.41 | Danielss89 | babilen: i'll keep that in mind :) Thx |
| 09:26.50 | wiherek | I need to configure my mail nullclient (ssmtp) to be able to send emails from multiple accounts, based on the app that uses it |
| 09:26.54 | wiherek | how can I do that? |
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| 09:27.35 | babilen | Danielss89: Do you might want to choose Ubuntu or something else. The next stable release (wheezy) of Debian will include jenkins and you could even run that now, but I wouldn't recommend to run a development branch as production. You might argue that Debian/testing is probably better than DISTRIBUTION, but that is your call. Just trying to give you honest advice. |
| 09:27.44 | babilen | s/Do/So :) |
| 09:28.03 | Danielss89 | hehe ok :D |
| 09:28.20 | Danielss89 | appreciate that :) |
| 09:29.55 | babilen | wiherek: Gah, read that as msmtp and was about to say: It picks configurations based on the Sender, but .. meh .. ssmtp. Don't know that by heart. Don't they have a similar mechanism? (i.e. "accounts" or "profiles" or the like) |
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| 09:32.26 | himanshu_linux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.02 | mah454 | How can set kwin shortcut for all users ? |
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| 09:35.18 | mah454 | i use kubuntu 12.04 |
| 09:35.32 | themill | mah454: I'd ask #ubuntu |
| 09:35.35 | boudiccas | mah454, ask in #ubuntu |
| 09:35.51 | mah454 | opsss ! |
| 09:36.22 | himanshu_linux | do anyone have nice "dwww" css script ? |
| 09:36.28 | nirvana | #kubuntu |
| 09:37.01 | mah454 | themill: boudiccas can do this in debian ? ( Debian KDE) |
| 09:37.02 | boudiccas | himanshu_linux, what is this 'dwww'? |
| 09:37.24 | boudiccas | mah454, no idea, i use xfce |
| 09:37.30 | mah454 | ok |
| 09:37.58 | himanshu_linux | boudiccas : debian documentation browser !! |
| 09:38.21 | boudiccas | ah |
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| 09:39.00 | himanshu_linux | boudiccas : i mean accessing documentation via WWW |
| 09:39.29 | himanshu_linux | boudiccas : do you use it ? |
| 09:39.37 | boudiccas | no |
| 09:40.00 | himanshu_linux | try it .. |
| 09:40.46 | himanshu_linux | it is nice way to view documentation .. |
| 09:41.19 | himanshu_linux | i want to change its css sheet ... |
| 09:41.23 | babilen | himanshu_linux: You want alternative stylesheets for dwww? |
| 09:41.38 | himanshu_linux | babilen : yes |
| 09:41.53 | babilen | himanshu_linux: Hmm, I am not sure how to do that. Do you have a stylesheet already or are you looking for alternative ones? |
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| 09:42.25 | himanshu_linux | babilen : ok .. where to get it ..? |
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| 09:43.20 | babilen | himanshu_linux: I don't know if there *are* alternative ones yet, I just wanted to clarify if you merely wanted to know how to configure dwww to use one or if you are looking for them :) |
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| 09:44.20 | babilen | himanshu_linux: All I can find is /usr/share/dwww/dwww.css -- You might be able to adapt that to your liking. What do you want to change? |
| 09:44.25 | himanshu_linux | babilen : do you use "dwww"? |
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| 09:45.57 | himanshu_linux | babilen : no from there it will not change . you have to change it from /var/www/dwww/ |
| 09:46.25 | babilen | himanshu_linux: Yeah, sure. But that is the stylesheet that comes with dwww |
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| 09:46.58 | himanshu_linux | babilen : hmm . but i don't it . i want to change .. |
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| 09:50.09 | babilen | himanshu_linux: And to answer your earlier question: I typically use doc-central -- Why can't you change the stylesheet to your liking? |
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| 09:51.37 | redwarriors25 | How to enable gnome root login on Debian 6? |
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| 09:58.19 | himanshu_linux | babilen : actually i don't know how to edit css . and when i replace it with other css sheet, it does not suite it completely . |
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| 10:00.31 | babilen | himanshu_linux: You could learn it! I would recommend to ask in #css for pointers to good documentation. What do you actually want to change? |
| 10:02.07 | themill | redwarriors25: you don't, and luckily, you also don't need to. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:02.44 | LEDfan-laptop | Hi, I'm trying to make a server of an old computer (10 years), Debian is installed, but the network card isn't detected or working. In lspci the card isn't listed. The LED's are on on the card. The only thing I can find on the card is: 'YD2000PCT' and 2 other numbers. In freenas the card is working. I can't find any drivers, only on google groups that I need to install the NIC drivers. I already installed 'firmware-bnx2' but dat doesn't |
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| 10:02.55 | LEDfan-laptop | Ps sorry for my bad English. |
| 10:04.28 | himanshu_linux | babilen : ok i will try it . :) i want to change its background . and want to add some feature to it . |
| 10:04.34 | redwarriors25 | im copying my important files |
| 10:04.58 | nirvana | . |
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| 10:36.58 | bullgard4 | RFC4255 titles: "Using DNS to securely publish Secure Shell (SSH) Key Fingerprints." Does DNS here stand for »Domain Name System«? |
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| 10:41.17 | madtux | guys sorry anyone know how to manage the white space in the command date onver ssh |
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| 10:41.46 | madtux | I mean if the date has 2 white space over ssh they became 1 |
| 10:42.37 | themill | bullgard4: perhaps you should read the first line of the RFC for yourself? |
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| 10:43.33 | themill | madtux: can we deal with real commands and output (at paste.debian.net if it's more than a couple of lines) rather than hypotheticals? |
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| 10:46.30 | bullgard4 | themill: I did. Perhaps you should do likewise. |
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| 10:47.15 | themill | bullgard4: Abstract: This document describes a method of verifying Secure Shell (SSH) host keys using Domain Name System Security (DNSSEC). |
| 10:47.20 | themill | sounds pretty clear to me |
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| 10:50.11 | nsadmin | how do you tell date a timezone to show time in? |
| 10:50.30 | themill | nsadmin: man date has examples |
| 10:50.35 | joar | is libc 2.15 available in debian? |
| 10:50.48 | bullgard4 | themill: This is not line 1 but non-empty line 17. -- Thank you. |
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| 10:51.04 | joar | I want it for a desktop computer, I'm getting confused between embedded stuff, etc. |
| 10:51.08 | themill | bullgard4: you can do your homework in other channels form now on. Thanks. |
| 10:52.06 | nsadmin | themill, for example I tried... TZ="UTC+7" date |
| 10:52.06 | themill | joar: no and will quite possibly be skipped over |
| 10:52.15 | nsadmin | and it did just UTC |
| 10:52.21 | themill | nsadmin: that's not a valid timezone |
| 10:52.23 | joar | themill: all right, how about 2.14? |
| 10:52.29 | themill | joar: no. |
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| 10:52.49 | joar | seems that OpenNI requires one of them, first asking for 2.15, then 2.14, then failing. |
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| 10:53.02 | nsadmin | oh ok... are there any timezones which use offset from UTC? |
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| 10:53.35 | joar | nsadmin: what timezone is it you're trying to fetch? |
| 10:53.54 | nsadmin | well this was from yesterday... but UTC+7 |
| 10:53.55 | joar | I think you can use TZ="Europe/Stockholm", but I haven't tried. |
| 10:54.37 | joar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B07:00 has a list of tzs |
| 10:54.51 | themill | nsadmin: TZ=Etc/GMT+7 |
| 10:55.03 | nsadmin | oh, cool! thanks |
| 10:55.04 | themill | nsadmin: timezones are all in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
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| 10:59.36 | carrera | can anyone tell me how to get the ntfs-3g driver to work with the external FUSE lib? |
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| 11:02.05 | nsadmin | carrera, are there any kernel-space modules that use user-space libs? |
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| 11:02.40 | fredl | FUSE is a kernel module, right? |
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| 11:08.24 | carrera | nsadmin, yes, sir. Please see http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 11:10.16 | nsadmin | that's strange... if you look at how the kernel is compiled, it doesn't need libs other than that which is needed by the compiler/binutils/assembler... |
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| 11:13.48 | martxel | hi |
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| 11:14.15 | nsadmin | so maybe the question becomes... is fuse support for ntfs-3g provided by a lib or by a module? |
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| 11:23.05 | linduxed | if i've got a file with a lot of lines formatted like "582 foo" and "1412 bar", is there a command that would sort the lines according to the number in the first "column"? |
| 11:23.35 | pippin | linduxed: | sort -n |
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| 11:24.17 | nsadmin | linduxed, also, man sort so that you can see how flexible sort is |
| 11:25.05 | linduxed | pippin: ok thx |
| 11:25.08 | linduxed | nsadmin: i will |
| 11:25.42 | nsadmin | you could for example sort by the second column |
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| 11:35.34 | spm_Draget | I am running current debian squeeze and setup a postgresql server. Eventho postgres provides functions for seperated user/databases/etc. whatnot, I would like to run a second instance with different configuration parameters and seperatly start/stoppable to the default install. Is there some 'easy/intended' way of doing this, or must I hack the initscripts myself? |
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| 11:37.20 | bobby_ct | Hi Guys , I got a 16 port composite video card that is suppose to be compatiable with the bt787 video4linux driver. I have tried to define the card in modprobe but i still get "bttv0: subsystem: f40a:903a (UNKNOWN)" whatever option i use for the card. Any tips would be greatly received http://pastebin.com/DtdJguqP |
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| 11:38.13 | bobby_ct | I am running squeeze |
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| 11:56.56 | raz | is there a way to run the iso-installer directly with a kernel from backports? |
| 11:57.11 | raz | (the squeeze-kernel has no drivers for PERC H710 controller) |
| 11:57.15 | raz | scsi-controller |
| 11:58.11 | jrm-rnl | I pressed alt+sysrq+r, and now I can't figure out how to return the keyboard to raw mode in X's tty so that stuff like alt+F2 won't change tty |
| 11:58.33 | jrm-rnl | anyone know what to do? |
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| 12:01.58 | dutchfish | raz, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666108 |
| 12:02.10 | raz | dutchfish: yes, that's where i come from |
| 12:02.20 | fredl | hey look it's dutchfish :) |
| 12:02.27 | dutchfish | raz, you could try the patches from there |
| 12:02.37 | dutchfish | fredl, hi hi |
| 12:02.42 | fredl | hi dutchfish! |
| 12:03.05 | dutchfish | raz, or port it back from 2.6.38-rc1 |
| 12:04.30 | jrm-rnl | nevermind, I figured it out: # kbd_mode -s /dev/console |
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| 12:05.23 | dutchfish | raz, as an alternative, you could of couse use wheezy, where it runs out of the box, depends on your project |
| 12:05.47 | fredl | wheezy is almost-stable isn't it? :) |
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| 12:06.19 | dutchfish | fredl, well, its ready when its ready, but if you look at the release critical stats, its progressing |
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| 12:06.54 | raz | dutchfish: well, i want to end up with a squeeze (stable) install, downgrading wheezy probably doesn't work so well ;) |
| 12:07.06 | dutchfish | raz, nope |
| 12:07.08 | fredl | I've moved a fair bit of my servers to wheezy already |
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| 12:07.23 | fredl | may be a bit premature but oh well. |
| 12:07.42 | dutchfish | raz, i do not know if newer kernels are in bpo, you can check that out also |
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| 12:08.04 | raz | dutchfish: they are, trying to install with the bpo installer image now |
| 12:08.09 | fredl | they are. |
| 12:08.12 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:08.29 | raz | dutchfish: not sure what of install i end up with then tho. does it install with all packages updated from bpo? or does it install a normal squeeze and only the installer-iso kernel is patched up? |
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| 12:09.03 | dutchfish | raz, if you tell it not, it wont, just take the kernel not a full upgrade |
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| 12:09.12 | raz | i mean this one http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:09.14 | dutchfish | raz, watch out of libc6 and friends too |
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| 12:09.22 | raz | dutchfish: this is not an upgrade, it's a fresh install |
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| 12:09.28 | raz | i.e. booting from installer |
| 12:09.36 | dutchfish | raz, that could work, yes |
| 12:09.42 | raz | hehe |
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| 12:25.14 | woshty | what is the current way to get uptodate icedove/thunderbird with squeeze? |
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| 12:25.33 | themill | dpkg: tell woshty about mozilla.debian.net |
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| 12:26.14 | Nunnsby | hey all |
| 12:26.15 | Nunnsby | question |
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| 12:26.30 | Nunnsby | debian server in a windows environment |
| 12:26.44 | Nunnsby | I have a debian server running network monitoring |
| 12:27.11 | Nunnsby | I have been asked byt eh security monkeys to make sure it uses a single-sign-on strategy for security |
| 12:27.16 | Nunnsby | so no individual logins |
| 12:27.24 | Nunnsby | must be part of the windows auth |
| 12:27.31 | Nunnsby | so, do I use radius or kerberos? |
| 12:27.52 | Nunnsby | I'm not running Samba, as I don't share files from the unix machine, purely a website |
| 12:28.06 | Nunnsby | the website doesn't need the windows login, only the console/ssh access |
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| 12:29.56 | talsamon | hello after kernel-update kernel 3.2.0-4 doesn't start right |
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| 12:31.03 | talsamon | i can't see the grub-menu and alt+strg+fn doesn't work, (able to start with the old kernel) |
| 12:31.19 | boudiccas | talsamon, what version of debian? and in what way doesnt it start right? |
| 12:31.28 | talsamon | boudiccas, wheezy |
| 12:31.53 | boudiccas | talsamon, its working okay on my wheezy box |
| 12:32.12 | talsamon | boudiccas, it seems starts normal, till grub-menu , grub menu does't appear, i can't reach console |
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| 12:33.31 | woshty | themill: thx, so 10 is the newest i can get? i usually run into problems because the newest version of a plugin always requires the latest version of the mozilla software |
| 12:33.41 | boudiccas | talsamon, was this a fresh install of wheezy, or an upgrade from squeze? |
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| 12:34.05 | talsamon | boudiccas, only update from the kernel |
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| 12:35.06 | boudiccas | talsamon, i upgraded from squeeze and got the new kernel which works okay on my box, maybe you need to run grub-configure or whatever its called |
| 12:35.07 | themill | woshty: for icedove, yes, I believe so |
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| 12:41.21 | FilipeMaia | Does NFS over IPoIB usually give crappy performance? |
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| 12:42.05 | kzar | I'm not sure which kernel to install on a virtualbox VM, I need it to be 64bit |
| 12:42.19 | scriptwarlock | halo gudday everyone, new to debian squeeze 6 any install script or howto links for me? i have nvidia card mounted. |
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| 12:44.07 | magicalChicken | scriptwarlock: Everything you need to know for install is either on the install disk or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 12:44.30 | kzar | (I'm not sure if say an amd64 kernel would work on a virtualbox vm) |
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| 12:45.24 | scriptwarlock | magicalChicken, thanks |
| 12:45.37 | magicalChicken | scriptwarlock: good luck on install |
| 12:45.59 | scriptwarlock | magicalChicken, you mean the nvidia |
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| 12:47.04 | frikinz | LVM-noob question. On a default debian install (LVM with /home, /boot and /root and no space left) if I want to add a LV I have to shrink one meaning do it from a livecd right? (or boot in single user and umount /home) |
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| 12:47.13 | magicalChicken | scriptwarlock: Yeah, their drivers kinda suck |
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| 12:47.26 | scriptwarlock | magicalChicken, awtz |
| 12:47.32 | SiDz | http://imgur.com/c1K9C id need help to stop that... if anyone can help... ive played with linux-igd some week ago but ive removed every pkg related to linux-igd |
| 12:47.53 | raz | hmm |
| 12:47.58 | SiDz | snort is also complaining about bad packet from 0.0.0.0 to 224.0.0.1 |
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| 12:48.07 | raz | why does the backport kernel say linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1? |
| 12:48.20 | raz | i.e. isn't that version 3.2.20 (but uname reports 3.2.0)? |
| 12:48.43 | themill | raz: package name is uname -r; package version is completely separate |
| 12:48.52 | SiDz | 3.2.0-3 |
| 12:49.06 | raz | themill: yes, but isn't that the 3.2.20 kernel version that i have here? |
| 12:49.22 | raz | it's a bit confusing to have uname not report the actual kernel version |
| 12:49.26 | themill | raz: depends what you mean by kernel versoin |
| 12:49.36 | themill | it's not the package version -- debian has never done that |
| 12:49.51 | raz | themill: http://kernel.org/ |
| 12:49.58 | themill | raz: your kernel is not from ther |
| 12:49.59 | themill | e |
| 12:50.25 | SiDz | anyone can help me? |
| 12:50.28 | raz | themill: yes what i'm trying to understand is: apparently 3.2.20 was packaged in a way so it reports itself as 3.2.0-0 |
| 12:50.46 | raz | why? |
| 12:51.02 | themill | dpkg: tell raz about kernel abi |
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| 12:51.51 | SiDz | ive been asking for some day about that problem it seems like a mysterie |
| 12:52.00 | SiDz | no one never answer me |
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| 12:52.14 | raz | themill: hm, perhaps i'm dense but that doesn't tell me why my 3.2.20 kernel reports itself as 3.2.0 in uname |
| 12:52.22 | themill | SiDz: posting a hard to read screenshot is a bad start |
| 12:52.28 | themill | raz: 3.2.0-x-flavour is the Debian kernel version and ABI. 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1 is the package version. There are quite different concepts and so have different numbers |
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| 12:52.45 | SiDz | well... 0.0.0.0 is trying to connect to 224.0.0.1 on igmp port |
| 12:52.51 | SiDz | or somethimg "similar" |
| 12:52.56 | SiDz | i can't find how to stop that |
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| 12:53.11 | raz | themill: so, how would i see the actual version of the running kernel, without looking at deb packages that may or may not represent the running kernel? |
| 12:54.06 | themill | raz: what do you mean by "actual version of the running kernel"? there are about 4 things that could mean and it's important you are clear about what you want to know. |
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| 12:54.57 | raz | themill: so a certain driver gets added to mainline in, say, 3.2.42. my uname always says "3.2.0", how would i see which mainline-version the package was built from? |
| 12:54.59 | themill | raz: note that the Debian package versions *mostly* follow the upstream version numbers but no always |
| 12:55.22 | sKeiths | ?uname -a? |
| 12:55.31 | raz | somehow i never noticed that it futzes with the uname-versino, i find that rather confusing |
| 12:55.33 | themill | raz: you need to look in the package changelog -- driver get backported too. |
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| 12:56.03 | raz | sKeiths: yes, uname -a says 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, after installing 3.2.20 |
| 12:56.17 | frikinz | SiDz: do you see the source mac adress? probably a router. there's nothing wrong about that I'd say |
| 12:56.20 | themill | raz: "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)" will show you the installed package version |
| 12:56.47 | raz | themill: why on earth didn't you just leave the uname alone? |
| 12:56.48 | themill | raz: note that when a sloppy admin is involved, installed != running |
| 12:56.51 | raz | (not you personally) |
| 12:57.02 | themill | raz: because uname is there to specify the ABI compatability. |
| 12:57.27 | themill | i.e. whether out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt or not |
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| 12:58.05 | raz | themill: why on earth did you not leave the original version in the uname string? |
| 12:58.11 | raz | i mean, debian is free to tack on all it wants |
| 12:58.30 | raz | i don't understand why it removes this critical part |
| 12:58.45 | raz | i understand even less how i never noticed in all these years |
| 12:58.49 | raz | :< |
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| 12:58.57 | themill | because it's not as critical as you make out? |
| 12:59.15 | themill | I don't know where you'd put that information that wouldn't break lots of other bits of the debian ecosystem |
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| 12:59.52 | themill | also, the package version *is* in /proc/version |
| 12:59.53 | raz | does any other distro does that? |
| 12:59.55 | raz | do* |
| 13:00.08 | raz | ahhh! |
| 13:00.09 | themill | sure, all debian-derivatives |
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| 13:00.16 | woshty | how would i set up xscreensaver for all users to start and with global config |
| 13:00.17 | raz | \/proc/version to the rescue :) |
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| 13:00.41 | raz | themill: that's just terrible :( |
| 13:01.30 | raz | themill: why didn't you just tack your debian-specific stuff at the end of the version, like everyone else? |
| 13:01.54 | themill | raz: I don't know a way of doing that that doesn't break the usefulness of uname -r |
| 13:02.23 | Trewas | raz: no new drivers etc get included in 3.2.x, only small bugfixes are included, so knowing the "x" there is pretty irrelevant |
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| 13:02.41 | themill | actually, new drivers are added to 3.2.x |
| 13:02.52 | raz | what about security fixes? |
| 13:03.31 | themill | raz: see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 13:03.31 | raz | i'm actually running into this because i had to upgrade a fleet of servers to 3.2 from backports (nasty bug on dell-hardware in 2.6). |
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| 13:03.47 | Trewas | themill: not according to the rules (http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt) |
| 13:03.49 | raz | and just verifying all boxes are on the same kernel version has been more interesting than it should be |
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| 13:04.34 | raz | themill: every other distro gives a meaningful uname string.. it seems a terrible design to mess with that |
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| 13:04.58 | themill | raz: debian gives a nice stable uname string; it seems a terrible design to mess with that |
| 13:05.36 | Sevet | define 'any other' - any debian based one is likely to act the same way as debian |
| 13:05.47 | raz | themill: erm. if the debian-toolchain is concerned with the last part of the x.x.x triplet. why doesn't the toolchain just ignore that part? |
| 13:05.51 | Sevet | *every other |
| 13:06.02 | raz | Sevet: redhat derivates and iirc gentoo |
| 13:06.11 | raz | probably everything not debian based :) |
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| 13:06.25 | themill | raz: it's not just the tool chain, for example the command I just gave you |
| 13:06.44 | raz | themill: yes, on debian it lies to me. that is your justification? |
| 13:07.01 | themill | raz: no. you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here |
| 13:07.17 | raz | that's my job, i'm the user |
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| 13:07.47 | Sevet | you can't always expect debian to always act in the same way as another distribution, otherwise all distros would be 100% identical and there'd be just 1 distribution |
| 13:07.59 | SiDz | 09:06:47.326871 IP 0.0.0.0 > all-systems.mcast.net: igmp query v2 |
| 13:07.59 | SiDz | 09:06:47.326903 IP 0.0.0.0 > all-systems.mcast.net: igmp query v2 |
| 13:08.04 | SiDz | id like to find what is doing that? |
| 13:08.08 | SiDz | and stop it |
| 13:08.13 | Sevet | (the same argument goes for s/debian/insert_distribution_name_here/) |
| 13:08.29 | raz | Sevet: sure, but that decision seems to extra-ordinarily dumb, i can't wrap my head around it |
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| 13:08.31 | themill | Trewas: have a look for the word "backport" in the changelog for the kernel package |
| 13:08.34 | raz | s/to/so/ |
| 13:08.47 | SiDz | anyone have an idea? |
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| 13:09.34 | themill | raz: I'm looking at it from the opposite direction -- having uname -r change all the time would be exceedingly annoying to me. It's nice that it only changes when important things change. *If* I want more information it's trivially available but 99+% of the time I don't. |
| 13:09.52 | Trewas | themill: debian can, upstream stable kernels don't |
| 13:10.02 | themill | Trewas: we're talking about debian kernel packages here |
| 13:10.09 | themill | (obviously) |
| 13:10.28 | raz | themill: well, i now write a special-case in my chef-recipes to determine the friggin' kernel-version on debian.. |
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| 13:10.44 | themill | raz: eh? why do you care? |
| 13:10.45 | Trewas | themill: I think raz was mostly whining that debian kernels hide the exact upstream kernel version, and I argued that knowing it is pretty irrelevant because there will be only trivial changes/fixes |
| 13:10.47 | Sevet | SiDz: source 0.0.0.0 is a special case in the standard where the switch is forwarding the packet for another switch, it can't use its own ip as it'd interfere with the algorithm |
| 13:10.57 | raz | themill: i are that all my machines run on the same kernel, unless there's a good reason not to |
| 13:10.59 | raz | care* |
| 13:11.02 | Sevet | SiDz: get a packet capture and look at the ethernet level for the mac address |
| 13:11.07 | themill | raz: except they won't be anyway... |
| 13:11.44 | themill | raz: so now we go back to "what do you mean by running kernel version" that I asked earlier. |
| 13:12.06 | themill | raz: if you really want the same kernel running on all your machines, you need to compile it for all of them. |
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| 13:12.16 | raz | themill: i mean the exact kernel that was installed, i.e. upstream version and debian patchlevel |
| 13:12.22 | Sevet | SiDz: if you open the capture file in wireshark you'll be able to see the ethernet frame source mac to see the switch forwarding the packet, and likely igmp fields indicating the original sender |
| 13:12.39 | SiDz | Sevet can i do that with tcpdump? |
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| 13:15.04 | Sevet | yes: tcpdump -w outfile.pcap [OTHER_OPTIONS], download pcap from server, open in wireshark locally |
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| 13:17.00 | Sevet | tcpdump -e will show the ethernet mac, but that won't show the original sender, you'd need something like tshark/wireshark to decode the igmp |
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| 13:21.01 | SiDz | i dont see any mac adress |
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| 13:24.41 | ujjain | How do I get rid of this error at boot time? - *** /dev/sda2 will be checked for errors at next reboot *** |
| 13:25.10 | abrotman | let it check the filesystem |
| 13:25.25 | dvs | that ain't no error message |
| 13:26.01 | nirvana | heh |
| 13:26.48 | ujjain | I already did, it doesn't check the file system. |
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| 13:27.03 | ujjain | every reboot same message, even when I touch /forcecheck |
| 13:27.16 | ujjain | or rename the motd file |
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| 13:29.06 | raz | ok, read up on the ABI stuff (with ubuntu apparently having the best docs on it). still convinced this is nothing but a terrible design flaw that stuck. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance#ABI |
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| 13:30.07 | ujjain | raz is that for me? |
| 13:30.26 | raz | ujjain: no sorry, was a general comment about the uname-discussion had earlier |
| 13:30.33 | ujjain | ah ok, np :) |
| 13:31.08 | ujjain | /var/lib/update-notifier/fsck-at-reboot < seems related to this fine |
| 13:31.09 | raz | what is mounted on your sda2? |
| 13:31.29 | ujjain | a big ext4 partition, data disk |
| 13:31.39 | themill | raz: we're not going to agree on this. My view is the exact opposite -- randomly changing uname -r for otherwise compatible kernels is a terrible design decision that stuck in other distros. Perhaps we should just move on? |
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| 13:32.44 | ujjain | another question, is update-rc.d meant to make services start at boot? |
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| 13:33.20 | epsilon | ujjain: add or delete on runlevel |
| 13:33.59 | ujjain | update-rc.d -f vnstat remove, update-rc.d vnstat defaults |
| 13:34.05 | epsilon | so actually symlink from etc/rc... -> init.d script |
| 13:34.07 | ujjain | what could explain this working for apache, but not for vnstat? |
| 13:34.08 | ujjain | and others |
| 13:34.27 | raz | themill: it's rather that other distros didn't change a perfectly fine version string for no good reason. |
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| 13:35.22 | raz | themill: it's the equivalent of my OSX about box telling me a random number instead of the real version, because someone found that a convenient place to store some internal ABI-revision... |
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| 13:36.00 | themill | raz: no. It's not like that at all. |
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| 13:36.15 | raz | themill: as a human i have little problem to parse uname -r as '3.2.*-1' if that's what i care about. i really find that argument hilarious. |
| 13:36.30 | _Sam-- | hi, can anyone tell me how to get openssl 1.0.1 on debian lenny (yes, i know its old. no, i can't upgrade it and its not a 'public' server so no security issues ) |
| 13:36.33 | themill | umm... that's not what it's about at all. |
| 13:36.56 | themill | raz: the entire output of uname -r is used not just the x.y.*-n. |
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| 13:37.16 | raz | themill: yes. as i understand it someone didn't want to parse the uname-string in the build-scripts and instead decided to "normalize" the uname-string. |
| 13:37.24 | themill | no |
| 13:38.05 | raz | so enlighten me, i can't find more than superficial docs about this |
| 13:38.10 | themill | raz: btw did you miss the memo where linux stopped using x.y.z for the version string and started using x.y only? |
| 13:38.19 | dutchfish | _Sam--, http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 13:38.38 | themill | raz: so you used to have to care about 2.6.37.12 but you *never* got to see the .12 at all |
| 13:38.40 | raz | themill: perhaps should tell that to the kernel.org guys |
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| 13:40.18 | dutchfish | _Sam--, also http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 13:40.21 | _Sam-- | dutchfish : you mean add that to my apt.sources? |
| 13:40.24 | raz | themill: i'm still waiting for the reason why uname was changed |
| 13:40.50 | raz | themill: you only ever say "it's not so bad, you don't need the real version string, look how easy you can still get it in non-standard ways" |
| 13:40.56 | themill | raz: I've explained it several times and have given up on this discussion. I don't intend to do so again. |
| 13:41.33 | _Sam-- | dutchfish : i was thinking i needed some kind of 'backport' ? |
| 13:41.37 | raz | themill: scrolled up, didn't find a single explanation |
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| 13:41.48 | themill | raz: that's because you don't want to. It's time to move on now. |
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| 13:41.54 | dutchfish | _Sam--, read http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive, all you need is in there |
| 13:42.15 | raz | themill: what would break if uname was left unchanged? |
| 13:42.33 | _Sam-- | dutchfish : i dont think you get it. the package i need isnt in the archives, cause it was never for lenny? |
| 13:42.37 | dutchfish | _Sam--, but i advise to upgrade to stable, some day |
| 13:42.52 | Sevet | raz: uname output has never been standardised across all platforms |
| 13:42.59 | dutchfish | _Sam--, then lenny backports, or port it back yourself |
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| 13:43.47 | dutchfish | _Sam--, what package you are tergetting? |
| 13:43.49 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to start stunnel4 but I get the message "/etc/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem: No such file or directory" Where can I get this file ? |
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| 13:44.05 | _Sam-- | dutchfish : can anyone tell me how to get openssl 1.0.1 on debian lenny (y |
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| 13:44.38 | Sevet | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 13:44.39 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- sid: 1.0.1c-4; wheezy: 1.0.1c-4 |
| 13:44.44 | dutchfish | _Sam--, sorry, i missed that. I think you can forget that (security). I vote for upgrading to stable. |
| 13:44.48 | themill | _Sam--: you need to upgrade to wheezy for that. What makes you want that version? |
| 13:45.05 | _Sam-- | themill : tls1.2 for httpd |
| 13:45.16 | Sevet | sam: you may be able to install from source, but that wouldn't be supported and may cause problems with other packages |
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| 13:46.00 | Sevet | sam: but importantly lenny is end of life and you should consider upgrading to at least squeeze |
| 13:46.05 | _Sam-- | sevet: exactly correct. i did install from source, but the old debian .98 openssl package is still causing me trouble compiling ssl stuff. |
| 13:46.20 | Sevet | ,v libssl-dev |
| 13:46.21 | judd | Package: libssl-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; sid: 1.0.1c-4; wheezy: 1.0.1c-4 |
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| 13:46.31 | raz | Sevet: now that's a valid point but i'm still trying to figure out why it was changed to begin with instead of just appending whatever extra-info that debian would like (or parse the uname in that way). there seems to be a defacto standard of uname reporting the real kernel version... |
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| 13:47.00 | Sevet | probably you still have that package installed, and haven't installed the devel files from your 1.0.0 source |
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| 13:47.34 | _Sam-- | correct. i was scared to remove -purge the openssl on there. |
| 13:47.36 | carandraug | hi guys! I'm running Debian from a USB stick and was working fine. However, after an update, the USB port that I was using after an update no longer recognizes it. The other USB port, was ok but again, after an update, also does not work. Could the automatic update-grub be doing something? |
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| 13:48.43 | themill | _Sam--: is that actually supported by any browsers yet? |
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| 13:50.09 | _Sam-- | themill : a few. i could probably get by with tls1.1. |
| 13:51.41 | themill | is this for SNI? |
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| 13:55.29 | wolf29 | Made squeeze VM which is a clone of another VM, so booted, changed the hostname and ip address. Reboot and ejabberd is hanging. Is there any way to pass a signal to ejabber to ask it not to start? It has been trying for several minutes. |
| 13:56.00 | wolf29 | root |
| 13:56.05 | wolf29 | lts@dm1n1438 |
| 13:56.26 | wolf29 | whoops wrong cli |
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| 13:56.50 | themill | wolf29: New UNIX Password: |
| 13:57.08 | wolf29 | themill: amen |
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| 14:00.17 | Armand | lol |
| 14:00.22 | Armand | Always one.... |
| 14:00.47 | wolf29 | Armand: usually this is a "ls -l" |
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| 14:01.17 | wolf29 | Lucky it is a VM on the private network. |
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| 14:08.27 | ezel | hello friends |
| 14:08.41 | ezel | somehow my data partition has become unallocated |
| 14:08.51 | ezel | it happened after my brother tried to do a windows recovery |
| 14:08.55 | ezel | on a dualboot syste... |
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| 14:09.07 | ezel | the question now is, does anyone know how to get those files back? |
| 14:09.44 | starsinmypockets | I'm working on a debian install (I think 3.5.2 -- the default from linode's current installer). Shouldn't there be a sudoers file in/etc? There isn't. |
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| 14:10.32 | carandraug | ezel, depends on what he did. Is it only the partition table that kaput? |
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| 14:10.59 | ezel | carandraug, i think so |
| 14:11.08 | ezel | i mean, i dident touch it otherwise |
| 14:11.17 | ezel | i am using testdisk |
| 14:11.24 | carandraug | ezel, changing the partition table is touching it |
| 14:11.39 | carandraug | ezel, yes, I was gonna tell you to use testdisk |
| 14:11.41 | ezel | ok i guess, but the point is is this recoverable |
| 14:11.56 | ezel | could you help me with recovery carandraug |
| 14:12.01 | ezel | i am confused by testdisk |
| 14:12.02 | carandraug | ezel, try it and see. Sometimes yes. You may want to make a backup first |
| 14:12.07 | ezel | yes of course |
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| 14:12.16 | carandraug | ezel, hod did you do the backup? |
| 14:12.17 | ezel | so i am currently "analyzing" |
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| 14:12.32 | ezel | carandraug, all my important files are on a different server |
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| 14:12.35 | ezel | this is my home computer |
| 14:12.45 | ezel | so i think i am safe (never put anything from work on home computer anyways) |
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| 14:13.00 | carandraug | ezel, nah.. I mean backup the device file |
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| 14:13.20 | carandraug | ezel, do you have another device that is larger than the one that got damaged? |
| 14:13.28 | ezel | not on hand |
| 14:13.46 | ezel | its fine if i completely f--- this machine |
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| 14:14.02 | carandraug | ezel, if you did, then you could "dd -if /dev/damageddevice -of /backupdevice" |
| 14:14.03 | ezel | let's proceed regardless, the machine is due for a reformat anyways |
| 14:14.20 | carandraug | ezel, and then just copy back everything if you are not happy with the recovery |
| 14:14.29 | ezel | ok |
| 14:14.41 | ezel | so it finished anaylzing |
| 14:14.48 | carandraug | ezel, then just run sudo testdisk, analyze, make sure you are happy with the results and then say write partition table |
| 14:14.58 | ezel | yes, i have finished analyze |
| 14:15.07 | ezel | now how can i tell which partition it is i want to recover |
| 14:15.09 | ezel | is my main concern |
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| 14:16.16 | carandraug | ezel, testdisk recovers everything |
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| 14:16.31 | DammitJim | what is a good desktop sharing application? |
| 14:16.37 | carandraug | ezel, it does not recover files, it recovers partitions by only writing a new partition table |
| 14:16.40 | DammitJim | I want to demo something to someone on the other coast |
| 14:16.49 | ezel | correct, i understand that carandraug |
| 14:16.54 | carandraug | DammitJim, a plane ticket :p |
| 14:17.02 | mmnicolas | what if I don't mind being able to retrieve different versions of a file, do I have any reasons left to stick with rdiff-backup instead of just rsync ? |
| 14:17.11 | ezel | i am confused as to which partition to recover, in gparted it shows up as "unallocated, 66.49 GB" |
| 14:17.14 | DammitJim | carandraug, I would love that and visit Palo Alto :D |
| 14:17.18 | carandraug | DammitJim, vino and vinagre |
| 14:17.19 | ezel | however, in testdisk, it does not even show up |
| 14:17.30 | carandraug | ezel, what does show up |
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| 14:17.40 | carandraug | DammitJim, and already comes installed on Debian |
| 14:17.48 | ezel | carandraug, just about everything else |
| 14:18.25 | DammitJim | debian 6 is lenny, right? |
| 14:18.32 | mmnicolas | DammitJim: I'm afraid the more easy to use would be the non-free and wrapped in wine version of teamviewer |
| 14:18.35 | DammitJim | no, squeeze |
| 14:18.44 | ezel | carandraug, i did send you a pm with what does show up |
| 14:18.46 | DammitJim | oh man, no wine |
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| 14:19.00 | carandraug | ezel, gparted says it's unallocated because the partition table is gone. testdisk tries to guess what it really is there. Just select the ones you know are correct |
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| 14:19.19 | carandraug | DammitJim, vino, not wine |
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| 14:19.37 | DammitJim | mmnicolas, mentioned wine |
| 14:19.46 | DammitJim | vino is wine in Spanish |
| 14:20.06 | carandraug | DammitJim, yes. And also an application |
| 14:20.33 | ezel | carandraug, so essentially testdisk is asking me "what partitions are you certain on, that way we can suggest where possible partition once were" |
| 14:20.39 | ezel | is this assertion correct? |
| 14:21.12 | starsinmypockets | Also my debian install has no visudo? Is this normal? |
| 14:21.31 | carandraug | ezel, yes. Because of the way ext4 woorks, there's backups of the superblock through the partition. How can testdisk know if it's really a single ext4 partition with multiple backups, or multiple ext4 partitions with no backups? |
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| 14:22.04 | ezel | so, at this point what am i supposed to physically do on the terminal, the options are to hit left and right, toggling individual partitions between ok and bad |
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| 14:22.08 | carandraug | starsinmypockets, no. Run "sudo visudo" |
| 14:22.14 | ezel | hitting Add partition |
| 14:22.21 | ezel | load backup |
| 14:22.22 | frikinz | starsinmypockets: apt-cache show sudo | grep Priority ==> optional |
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| 14:22.31 | ezel | change type, or list files |
| 14:22.43 | carandraug | ezel, I haven't used in some time. You can also change if the partition was primary, extended, logical etc |
| 14:23.03 | starsinmypockets | Oh.. err.. apt-get install sudo |
| 14:23.12 | carandraug | ezel, once you are happy with the set up, select write changes to disk (or something like that) and hope for the best |
| 14:23.15 | mmnicolas | DammitJim: how about some screencapture ? |
| 14:23.16 | ezel | correct, so think back a bit (i know), what does your instinct tell me to do at this point |
| 14:23.37 | ezel | do i need to add any partitions |
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| 14:23.58 | ezel | or do i simply proceed after confirming the valid partitions |
| 14:24.17 | carandraug | ezel, you proceed. I don't know the setup you had before, I can't tell you |
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| 14:24.40 | carandraug | ezel, in theory, testdisk will not change anything other than the partition table |
| 14:25.18 | carandraug | ezel, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Running_TestDisk |
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| 14:25.59 | carandraug | ezel, and then http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Menu_Analyse |
| 14:26.49 | ezel | yes, i've seen it |
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| 14:32.40 | mmnicolas | DammitJim: have a look at byzanz |
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| 14:37.34 | FilipeMaia | I have a very big performance difference between UDP and TCP over IB when using IPoIB. What could be the problem? |
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| 14:39.04 | tim_flatus | Is there a gtk3 inspector that works in Debian? |
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| 14:39.44 | DammitJim | ok, I'm going to use join.me |
| 14:39.47 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 14:40.14 | tim_flatus | Parasite looked promising, but I can't get it to compile. |
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| 14:45.51 | ezel | would anyone like to help me with testdisk |
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| 14:46.33 | ezel | recently a partition containing files (ext4) was changed to "unallocated space" according to gparted |
| 14:46.47 | ezel | this is most likely due to my brother trying to do a windows restore |
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| 14:47.09 | ezel | i ran testdisk to no avail, it does not display the partition i lost |
| 14:47.26 | ezel | which somewhat makes sense because it is unallocated space now |
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| 14:47.45 | ezel | the question is, how do i get that partition back |
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| 14:47.52 | ezel | do i need to write a new table? |
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| 14:48.28 | woshty | why isnt xscreensaver started by default with xfce? |
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| 14:49.38 | tim_flatus | woshty: xscreensaver isn't started by default by anything. |
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| 14:50.29 | toolunious | tim_flatus, interesting problem, should this go into /etc/profile or ~/.init or.. ? |
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| 14:52.02 | tim_flatus | toolunious: long time since I did it by script. .xsession? |
| 14:53.53 | toolunious | hmm, yeah, that one is even better |
| 14:54.01 | toolunious | is there a system wide xsession? |
| 14:54.27 | somiaj | toolunious: really depends on how your users log into X |
| 14:54.55 | ksk | ,version nginx |
| 14:54.56 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.1-2.2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2 |
| 14:54.58 | somiaj | toolunious: but if you use a display manager you can configure their session. Note ~/.xsession is usually only read on the 'default' session when using a DM |
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| 14:55.11 | tim_flatus | create a script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 14:55.27 | somiaj | toolunious: but you can configure you own sessions and set that as default (Though users can and should be able to pick another one if they like) |
| 14:55.33 | ksk | if id like to know if there any bugs on the nginx from squeeze - where to take a look? sid and/or wheeze - where it comes from? |
| 14:55.42 | ksk | *from squeeze-backports |
| 14:56.33 | Sevet_ | try the changelog in the squeeze-backports package |
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| 14:57.40 | woshty | tim_flatus: but why? and what is the easiest and nondestructive way to start it? |
| 14:58.19 | toolunious | hmm somiaj true |
| 14:58.34 | Sevet_ | though 'New upstream release' probably hides a lot since the versions are quite different, so i'd look at the nginx.org changelog |
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| 15:11.21 | SzosszeNET | Hello, sorry for the noob question, but I'm strugling with a server install on network card, could someone give me the right directions? |
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| 15:12.24 | tim_flatus | woshty: Debian kind of assumes that users who don't want to write their own configs will be using Gnome. Each user really should put it in their startup script, wherever that lives. |
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| 15:16.24 | frostschutz | Sevet_: that doesn't really make sense. when you add a drive to an array, the metadata on that drive is overwritten anyway. I don't think there is a way to "update" an array's metadata other than copying the data over entirely. |
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| 15:20.49 | tim_flatus | I'm writing a gtk3 theme, where is the best place to ask leading questions about what widgets are called? |
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| 15:22.08 | SzosszeNET | Seems the installer does not recongnize my integrated network card broadcom bcm5720, tried with bnx2 and tg3 as well (netinstaller), but I just get that there is no usable network adapter...Any hint? |
| 15:22.22 | tim_flatus | I have read the gtk3 docs, tried g-inspect to no avail - and there are still theme issues that I can't find answers to. |
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| 15:27.32 | tim_flatus | Maybe I'm asking the wrong questions or in the wrong place. |
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| 15:27.52 | tim_flatus | How do I define a style for multiple selections in gtk3? |
| 15:27.55 | frikinz | tim_flatus: did you try #gnome? |
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| 15:28.22 | tim_flatus | frikinz: not yet. Thanks :-) |
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| 15:34.26 | abrotman | tim_flatus: you definitely want irc.gnome.org, |
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| 15:35.49 | tim_flatus | abrotman: as in the official channel? OK thanks. |
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| 15:41.25 | Woet | For a new install, would you recommend ext3/ext4? I remember some criticism about reliability of ext4 |
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| 15:42.08 | dvs | Woet, ext3 would be more reliable because it's been around longer. |
| 15:42.17 | Woet | fair enough |
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| 15:58.27 | tryy3 | hi iam trying to install debian now and it says 'Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 38....] SP5100 TCO timer: mmio address 0xbafe00 already in use, what should i do? |
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| 16:11.13 | damacus | is it stuck there? if so, when you reboot, does it always stop there? |
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| 16:12.33 | damacus | i've seen boot hang up there on a laptop before - didn't like booting with an off-brand PCNCIA network card inserted on boot. other machines will sometimes print messages, but continue booting up fine. |
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| 16:14.04 | mczhb | could anybody tell me how to apply a downloaded .patch file to a kernel driver? |
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| 16:17.06 | somiaj | mczhb: Is this a kernel module that is inside the full kernel source? do you know how to compile your own kernel? |
| 16:18.37 | mczhb | nah, its a wireless driver id like to patch against a patch file and build it via make |
| 16:18.47 | mczhb | but i dont know how to apply the .patch |
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| 16:19.07 | somiaj | man patch |
| 16:19.30 | somiaj | though you kinda need to know what version of the driver/kernel tree the patch is made against |
| 16:19.39 | somiaj | if there are lots of change that tool can't always correctly patch |
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| 16:19.56 | maxxe | seems like i'll keep squeeze on this comp. wheezy introduces problems with fglrx for my old gfx card |
| 16:19.59 | somiaj | mczhb: lets go back the the begining. What wireless card are you using? And why do you need a patch for it? |
| 16:20.01 | slb_ | i booted and get a DRDY ERR UNC which is obviously bad and nothing will boot so I can't even run fsck or anything..What boot cd can i use to at least get a prompt where i can run these? |
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| 16:20.23 | slb_ | or how can i at least try to fix this situation which is freaking me out |
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| 16:20.32 | somiaj | maxxe: yea I have that problem here too. They need a fglrx legacy driver. I can't seem to get wine to run games with just the open radeon drivers. |
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| 16:21.01 | somiaj | slb_: the debian install cd's contain a minimial system you can do some stuff you can boot up into (hit alt-f2 once the install starts but dont install) |
| 16:21.13 | somiaj | slb_: that is useful if you want to do simple things or chroot into your actual install |
| 16:21.22 | slb_ | i tried the rescue and it wouldnt do anything cuase of those errors, but i will definitely try that thanks |
| 16:21.26 | maxxe | somiaj: yeah |
| 16:21.56 | somiaj | slb_: there is a rescue live cd you can get at live.debian.net (or get one that contains a desktop if you go that way) |
| 16:22.07 | somiaj | slb_: if you want a live system with more than the minimial tools on a debian install cd. |
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| 16:22.24 | mfblackmail69 | hi all |
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| 16:23.18 | somiaj | oh nice, live.debian.net is starting to provide wheezy images. I thought they would wait for the system to stable for that |
| 16:24.07 | somiaj | slb_: but if you want a full live resucue enviroment with a good collection of tools, grab the rescue image from live.debian.net |
| 16:24.37 | mczhb | somiaj: its an zd1211rw... i got it patched, but how do i continue from here? |
| 16:25.00 | somiaj | you now have to compile that module (or the kernel) |
| 16:25.07 | mczhb | somiaj: ./configure fails |
| 16:25.27 | somiaj | mczhb: why do you need this patch? |
| 16:25.33 | somiaj | !zd1211rw |
| 16:25.33 | dpkg | zd1211rw is a Linux kernel driver supporting USB wireless LAN devices based on ZyDAS ZD1211 and ZD1211B (aka Atheros AR5007UG) chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the zd1211-firmware package to provide. Supports master mode (access point) operation as of Linux 2.6.39. http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
| 16:25.45 | slb_ | i cant even get to a point after install or rescue |
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| 16:26.02 | mczhb | somiaj: for enabling injection on this wireless device |
| 16:26.08 | somiaj | mczhb: I am just making sure you need to patch the driver as opposed to just install the non-free firmware or a backported kernel. |
| 16:26.15 | slb_ | i guess i will try the live version u told me |
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| 16:27.14 | mczhb | somiaj: nope, im aware of the non-free firmware. The patch is required for my special preferences. Currently the file in ther kernel sources was patched but how to build it? |
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| 16:27.34 | mczhb | there is an Makefile in the directory |
| 16:27.50 | somiaj | mczhb: if you use make-kpkg (part of the kernel-package module) you can compile yourself a custom kernel that contains that patched kernel |
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| 16:28.15 | somiaj | mczhb: otherwise you have to use make menuconfig, make bzimage (basic kernel compile rules). I don't know how to specify to build only one module though. Maybe someone else can help wth that |
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| 16:28.42 | somiaj | mczhb: sorry kernel-package compiles a custom debian kernel package |
| 16:29.18 | slb_ | i really hope this image works |
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| 16:34.05 | tryy3 | hmm... i keep getting fatal error on the part 'Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk' can anyone help me? |
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| 16:39.31 | tryy3 | hmm... i keep getting fatal error on the part 'Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk' can anyone help me? |
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| 16:42.42 | ]||[ | tryy3: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:44.10 | tryy3 | ]||[ Iam trying to do the part 'Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk' in the installation and iam not sure what iam supposed to type not to get fatal error! |
| 16:44.56 | ]||[ | tryy3: you do want to install grub |
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| 16:45.21 | tryy3 | ]||[ nvm i got it working! |
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| 16:45.50 | ]||[ | alright |
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| 16:49.25 | tryy3 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/m76fq7qz0w405iq/20121008_185033.jpg i tryed to boot debian now but this is what i get now :S |
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| 16:50.19 | tim_flatus | OK, so I successfully patched, compiled and installed parasite for gtk3 - and now I can't find the application! How do I find out what make has done with it? |
| 16:50.30 | mfblackmail69 | any ideas on how to find out why i can't telnet into port 143 but 110? both are being forwarded. couriertcpd is running as fuser -n tcp 143 shows. any input appreciated |
| 16:50.55 | thewanderer1 | tryy3: looks OK, despite some wireless-related errors. is it stuck? |
| 16:51.01 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: man whereis |
| 16:51.17 | tim_flatus | MrFrood: I tried that d'oh. |
| 16:51.37 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: did you run make install? |
| 16:51.46 | tryy3 | thewanderer1 looks like it, the part 'Setting preliminary keymap...' haven't disepeard for a while |
| 16:51.52 | tim_flatus | It has clearly named it something less-than-obvious |
| 16:51.57 | tryy3 | thewanderer1 nvm it just said done :P |
| 16:52.11 | tim_flatus | MrFrood: yes |
| 16:53.04 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: there should be a coby of the compiled file in the dir you compiled it in - check the name there |
| 16:53.40 | tryy3 | thewanderer1 at the moment i just got a blinking _ but i guess thats normal? (its the first boot) |
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| 16:54.26 | thewanderer1 | tryy3: well, there should be some graphical interface if you installed one... but it seems that the boot is going extremely slow, so just wait |
| 16:54.46 | tryy3 | thewanderer1 ok i will! |
| 16:54.50 | tim_flatus | MrFrood: except I just did a make clean. :/ |
| 16:55.16 | slb_ | i cant even reach a prompt all it gives me during any load is DRDY ERR UNC |
| 16:55.49 | MrFrood | shift+pageup in the xterm to check the output from make install |
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| 16:56.04 | slb_ | any ideas of what i can do to at least run fsck or do something |
| 16:56.10 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: ^^^ |
| 16:57.28 | slb_ | this boot issue just happened randomly obviously my hard drive is messed up in some way |
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| 16:59.01 | tim_flatus | It just tells me Libraries have been installed in: /usr/local/lib/gtk-3.0/modules - so I know where libgtkparasite is. |
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| 17:00.26 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: I don't think there is a lot else that can be done, sorry |
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| 17:02.05 | MrFrood | tim_flatus: if it's any help binaries are normally installed in usr/local/bin for stuff you compile yourself |
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| 17:06.15 | tim_flatus | MrFrood: Thanks for your help. I think I may have to just redo it and look at the results before I make clean. I don't see another option. I suspect it didn't install a binary anywhere other than src. |
| 17:06.48 | MrFrood | np - good luck |
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| 17:18.41 | tables | or volume |
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| 17:29.46 | tim_flatus | Double d'oh - it is just a module. |
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| 17:34.05 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 17:34.36 | tryy3 | debian is booting for me (just some errors but i dont think its super important atm) but not the screen goes all black! please help me! |
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| 17:36.56 | LtL | tryy3: i can give you something that 'sometimes' works but it's a temporary hack |
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| 17:37.18 | tryy3 | LtL go for it |
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| 17:38.23 | LtL | tryy3: at the grub menu hit the letter 'e' for edit, move the cursor to the end of the boot linux line and append the parameter 'nomodeset' then ctrl-x to boot it. it sometimes works |
| 17:38.59 | LtL | tryy3: no quotes, dont spell it wrong, its a video driver issue most likely. |
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| 17:39.43 | somiaj | could it be tryy3's display manager isn't loading X correctly. He should try to boot after disabling display managers |
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| 17:40.19 | tryy3 | LtL testing now! |
| 17:40.26 | LtL | somiaj: thats a good idea! |
| 17:40.29 | mike_o | tryy3: If your system is getting all the way through the boot process (up to the desktop manager and going black try 'ctrl-alt-f2' to switch to another console and see if you see anything. |
| 17:40.35 | tryy3 | somiaj could be :S |
| 17:41.04 | somiaj | or after it boots hit ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you get to a console you can see |
| 17:41.16 | somiaj | as mike_o suggested |
| 17:41.24 | tryy3 | mike_o when i click to boot normal debian (and not recovery mode) it loads some stuff then goes black |
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| 17:41.44 | tryy3 | somiaj testing with nomodeset and will see if that works or not |
| 17:41.46 | somiaj | again lets make sure it isn't just an X problem and take that out of the equation. |
| 17:41.54 | somiaj | yea try that test first |
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| 17:46.56 | sikilpaake | how can i disable a service on a mounted boot disk? |
| 17:47.40 | tryy3 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ftxg6ua8t6gmdpp/20121008_194839.jpg iam getting this errors nw (when i did nomodeset) |
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| 17:48.06 | somiaj | sikilpaake: chroot into your mount, then use update-rc.d service disable |
| 17:50.00 | tryy3 | still black screen on nomodeset |
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| 17:50.42 | tryy3 | nvm... it doing some other stuff now :S |
| 17:50.59 | LtL | tryy3: hrm, i've never seen that result before... thinking |
| 17:51.43 | LtL | tryy3: do you have any peripheral device plugged in? |
| 17:52.02 | tryy3 | LtL if it helps, i tryed use wubi before for ubuntu and X server didn't load properly there either and i got nvidia gpu |
| 17:52.15 | tryy3 | LtL i got a extern hdd? |
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| 17:52.30 | LtL | tryy3: unplug the ext drive |
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| 17:52.44 | edju | I have an external hd and two usb sticks. fstab, pasted at http://pastebin.com/427yeyxU, lists them by UUID as sdb2, sdc1 and sdd1. Yet, when they're attached, the device name is determined by the order in which they're attached, but are mounted acc/to the fstab listing. E.g.,if the hd is attached last, it's id'd as sdd2 and is mounted in sdb2. Any help appreciated. |
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| 17:53.30 | LtL | tryy3: ambiguous term, 'external hd' |
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| 17:53.54 | tryy3 | LtL opps... the external hdd wasn't plugged in |
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| 17:54.42 | gartenstuhl | hi |
| 17:54.46 | LtL | tryy3: any idea what device that is that udev errors on? |
| 17:55.06 | somiaj | edju: just making sure I follow you. You want to make it mount in /mnt/sdd1 only if it is /dev/sdd1 and change the mount point if the order changes? |
| 17:55.09 | edju | Sorry, ignore that posting - makes no sense. |
| 17:55.20 | tryy3 | LtL not sure only thing i got plugged in now is 2 screens, 1 keyboard, 1 mouse and 1 wireless network |
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| 17:55.51 | gartenstuhl | how can I see how used space on my system is allotted? My disk has 37.5GB used of 75GB and I do not know how this could happen |
| 17:55.55 | LtL | tryy3: any usb stuff |
| 17:55.55 | somiaj | edju: you could use the info in /dev/disks/by-uuid/ to determine where each uuid is located and adjust the mount point accordingly |
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| 17:56.10 | somiaj | opps that is /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 17:56.12 | tryy3 | LtL keyboard, mouse and wireless network is usb |
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| 17:56.41 | LtL | tryy3: use one monitor, the usb error may be the unknown keyboard mouse |
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| 17:57.06 | LtL | tryy3: unplug all usb stuff and see if it boots |
| 17:57.09 | tryy3 | LtL but it looks like its starting now its loading other stuff atm! |
| 17:57.47 | LtL | tryy3: perhaps you can ssh into it and load firmware |
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| 17:58.43 | tryy3 | LtL gonna wait and see what happens after it loaded all this stuff |
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| 17:59.25 | LtL | tryy3: ok, i've got to go, i'm sure others can help, somiaj is a good helper. good luck :) |
| 17:59.47 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
| 18:00.11 | streulma | gartenstuh1: on / run du -h |
| 18:00.53 | streulma | gartenstuhl: on / run du -h |
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| 18:01.41 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: are you on a CLI system, or have you got some kind of graphical interface? |
| 18:01.52 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: cli |
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| 18:03.05 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: cd /; du -shx * |
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| 18:03.32 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: then go into the biggest dirs and repeat the du, in order to get more granularity |
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| 18:03.54 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: thx that looks good |
| 18:03.55 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: also, this is neat for cases like yours: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3842/list-your-largest-installed-packages-on-debianubuntu |
| 18:03.59 | frikinz | shopt -s dotglob ; cd ; du -shx * |
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| 18:04.30 | somiaj | thewanderer1: hmm, makes me wonder if there is a simple command to ask dpkg what it's installed size is (minus say logs, configs and the likes). |
| 18:05.07 | SmashingX | hey guys, this question may be stupid but I would like to know how stable is the testing branch version of debian? |
| 18:05.15 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: I imagine dpkg-query could do this, given the right options |
| 18:05.50 | somiaj | thewanderer1: yea, only way I could think of was add up all the Install-Size values in installed packages, but that sounds like a script that may have been done already (I know apt already does some calculations when installing) |
| 18:05.56 | somiaj | SmashingX: it is not stable enough to be called stable. |
| 18:06.18 | SmashingX | is it pretty close at least somiaj? |
| 18:06.35 | somiaj | SmashingX: basic issue is there are still release critical bugs. There are NO quick security updates (that is the big issue) |
| 18:06.40 | SmashingX | how stable would you rate it from 1 to 10 somiaj? |
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| 18:07.09 | boudiccas | SmashingX, what are you thinking of using it for? |
| 18:07.11 | somiaj | it works well for most people and doesn't crash (if you call that stable). But there are still some ugrading bugs, some installing/removing package bugs, and some packages need their bugs squashed. You may or may not run across these issues. |
| 18:07.48 | MaddinXx | hello everyone. may I ask you which of the packages: "tiger" "lynis" and "rkhunter" you can recommend? or would you say that running an audit with every of it is the smartest? |
| 18:07.49 | frikinz | what about his for sorting installed packages by installed-size ? dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
| 18:07.50 | somiaj | SmashingX: I run sid (unstable) on my desktop/laptop and for the most part it works just fine. I do have to fix things from time to time and i would not recomend that to someone who is not familar with debian or a server. |
| 18:07.52 | SmashingX | boudiccas: I want to know how stable would be Linux Mint DE if it comes from the debian testing |
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| 18:08.11 | somiaj | SmashingX: but for the most part it works fine and once you deal with any of the bugs you may run across you should be fine. |
| 18:08.18 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: thank you very much. I got worst with du -shx * there were way to big log files |
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| 18:08.33 | boudiccas | SmashingX, yost be asking them then |
| 18:08.42 | boudiccas | you'd best |
| 18:09.07 | SmashingX | boudiccas: they told me I should ask about Debian in this channel not in their channel |
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| 18:09.23 | somiaj | SmashingX: mint provides it's own definition of stable, and will fix the bugs from testing it deems do not make it stable. But that is their issue of what they consider to be stable. |
| 18:09.55 | boudiccas | SmashingX, we dont know diddly squat about linux mint, we only support debian, thats why i suggest you ask them |
| 18:09.57 | somiaj | SmashingX: but as I said, security is the biggest issue testing is missing. The other is just there are bugs you can look up on the BTS for various packages. Some of which are deemed to buggy for debian stable. |
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| 18:10.29 | SmashingX | boudiccas: But I'm asking about debian, not about linux mint |
| 18:10.33 | somiaj | so mint supusally supplys the security and support. So ask them what sort of security/support they provide. |
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| 18:11.15 | SmashingX | somiaj: But would you say that is pretty secure as well? I mean I wont have a system that is unsecure to have connected to the net? |
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| 18:12.14 | somiaj | SmashingX: I just said testing gets no security support from debian (besides for the fact we fix the packages and let the fixed ones drift into testing with the fixes..but this can take weeks if not longer) |
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| 18:12.51 | somiaj | i.e. security holes are fixed in both stable and unstable (or upstream). Then testing/unstable get the fixes as these newer version filter down |
| 18:12.54 | SmashingX | ok cool somiaj |
| 18:13.18 | SmashingX | thanks for the info Someguy123 |
| 18:13.23 | SmashingX | I mean somiaj |
| 18:13.47 | somiaj | note since testing is right now under a freeze, security support is slowly being added to it. But in general what I said above is the case. |
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| 18:14.52 | SmashingX | just last question: is there any date for the release of the next version of debian 7? |
| 18:15.01 | somiaj | SmashingX: debian uses the date when it is ready |
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| 18:15.20 | Sevet_ | 'when it's ready', which is ~ when the release critical bugs have been squashed |
| 18:15.23 | somiaj | which means all of the release critical bugs are squashed and not before |
| 18:15.40 | Sevet_ | !t rc bugs |
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| 18:15.52 | Sevet_ | !tell SmashingX about rc bugs |
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| 18:16.34 | SmashingX | thanks guys |
| 18:16.36 | SmashingX | :) |
| 18:16.51 | edju | somiaj, Earlier post didn't make much sense. So, is it possible to have the external devices load with a consistent device name no matter the order in which they're attached? |
| 18:17.24 | somiaj | edju: why do you want the device name to be constant. Shoudln't only the mount point matter? |
| 18:18.00 | somiaj | edju: what you did works fine if you want a constant mountpoint but use names like /mnt/external_hd, /mnt/usb1, /mnt/usb2 (things so you can identify which is which eaisly) |
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| 18:18.20 | somiaj | edju: if you want the actual device name to be fixed, you can try to be tricky with udev rules, but I don't see a reason to do that. |
| 18:18.36 | somiaj | edju: since you can always access the device by uuid no reason to force it to be in a certain place |
| 18:19.06 | edju | somiaj, I suppose it doesn't matter - just seems to be a glitch in the cosmos. |
| 18:19.09 | tyll | Hi, I just installed debian to my seagate dockstar and it does not boot because it does not find the root file system. It looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616689 because the LVM volumes are not activated, but bootdelay=20 or scsi_mod.scan=sync on the kernel commandline do not help, however running 'vgchange -a y' in lvm and then quitting the initramfs shell works |
| 18:19.11 | somiaj | cause recall I said /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID will link to the right device |
| 18:19.24 | tyll | Is there some way to get the system boot automatically? |
| 18:19.31 | somiaj | edju: its not really a glitch, usb devices are just not always detected in order. |
| 18:20.00 | somiaj | sound devices have the same issue. |
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| 18:20.59 | frikinz | There's also a way with setting labels to filesystems. In kde I get my external disks automatically mounted in /media/foo without an entry in fstab. I guess even without a DE its possible |
| 18:21.22 | somiaj | frikinz: that is basically what the UUID is |
| 18:21.39 | frikinz | yes, well, slightly nicer names .. :) |
| 18:21.45 | somiaj | my guess is the automounter attaches the label to the UUID and does it all for you in the background (hence no need for fstab) |
| 18:21.57 | edju | somiaj, I mount by bash aliases - saves typing. eg, sdb2. If I don't know the device name, it won't work. |
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| 18:22.16 | somiaj | edju: it will, just use names that mean something to you |
| 18:22.22 | somiaj | edju: so call it /mnt/usb1 |
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| 18:22.40 | somiaj | edju: then mount /mnt/usb1 will always mount the filesystem with the UUID in fstab at /mnt/usb1 |
| 18:23.10 | edju | somiaj, We can mount by mnt point? |
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| 18:23.25 | somiaj | yes mount will look in both device and mountpoint |
| 18:23.34 | somiaj | so mount /pat/to/mountpoint works |
| 18:23.44 | somiaj | it only works if you have an fstab entry though |
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| 18:24.09 | edju | Well, that settles it - didn't know that. Thanks. |
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| 18:24.59 | somiaj | edju: see now why uuid's can be useful. That way you mount the same file system at the same mount point each time. Either automatically at boot up, or when you request it |
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| 18:38.12 | lawe | Hello, I'm going to do a cheap desktop build, but want to make it fully compatable with Debian. Is there any lists of supported hardware and what hardware should I do for? |
| 18:38.26 | jordanm | !tell lawe about hcl |
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| 18:45.53 | confusid | This is my current /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/itksiSWF Is there a way to set the wired connection (eth0) so it does not use dhcp while in boot time? But have it so when the cable is plugged in it uses dhcp? |
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| 18:46.44 | abrotman | is the cable plugged in at boot time ? |
| 18:47.01 | confusid | some times yes and some times no. But it checks for dhcp both times |
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| 18:47.28 | jordanm | network-manager will do the right thing when the cable is not plugged in |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 18:47.48 | abrotman | should .. work? |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | but if it's plugged in, it will try to use it |
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| 18:49.27 | dr_balor | Is there a reason that libstdc++-version is not symlinked to libstdc++ ? |
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| 18:52.03 | confusid | abrotman: ty |
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| 18:56.50 | Sevet_ | dr_balor: suspect that such a symlink would be in a -dev package not the binary package |
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| 19:01.25 | dr_balor | Sevet_: thanks. I'll investigate |
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| 19:03.00 | Sevet_ | there does look to be a versionless .so in there, i assume it's a symlink... it's in a arch & version specific subdirectory of /usr/lib/gcc though |
| 19:03.18 | nogginBasher | if top says 8144k free that is not a lot. but if it also says 137000k cached, then actually we are doing fine? |
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| 19:04.25 | nogginBasher | my guess is that cached data in is memory, and can be turned into free memory pretty fast if needed |
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| 19:04.48 | nogginBasher | it's just a little confusing, as it appears on the same line as Swap |
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| 19:07.51 | thewanderer1 | nogginBasher: http://linuxatemyram.com |
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| 19:08.43 | nogginBasher | thanks :) |
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| 19:10.41 | nogginBasher | got a machine here with vm.swappiness=0, but it's a game server so perhaps that's desirable |
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| 19:20.22 | minty-dio | It's been a really really long (like more than 10 years long) time since I messed with debian. Considering installing it on some spare partition space, well just because. It used to be kinda difficult to get a good gui desktop going from a netinstall. How is it these days? The install guide doesn't seem to even mention it, so I assume it's more automated than it used to be? |
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| 19:23.46 | klync_ | minty-dio: a lot has changed in 10 years ;) |
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| 19:24.22 | klync_ | minty-dio: netinst and the std installer both work flawlessly for me, mostly on amd64 hw |
| 19:24.35 | klync_ | .. given dfsg hw, of course |
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| 19:25.10 | MrFrood | minty-dio: it's pretty smooth these days |
| 19:25.42 | minty-dio | Yeah. This as an A8-3850 based machine. So far other than crappy fglrx support for the built-in Radeon, It's worked well in every Didtro I've given a spin the last couple weeks. |
| 19:25.46 | MrFrood | if you just want a full DE netinstall can handle that |
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| 19:26.03 | aussa | hi, how do I know what version of firefox is iceweasel based on? |
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| 19:26.36 | Gapi_ | aussa : use chrome |
| 19:26.58 | MrFrood | aussa: click help, click about iceweasel |
| 19:27.15 | MrFrood | the version numbers are the same iirc |
| 19:27.47 | thewanderer1 | minty-dio: keep in mind that the current Stable was released at the beginning of 2011 and here we are at 2012's far end... you may run into graphics drivers issues (probably solved by installing a new kernel + X.org from backports) |
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| 19:29.00 | minty-dio | How soon until the next next version shift? (where current experimental replaces old stable) |
| 19:29.17 | aussa | MrFrood, ok, thank you, so I suppose it's version 10.0.7 |
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| 19:29.57 | thewanderer1 | minty-dio: current experimental? old stable? maybe 6-8 years? :P |
| 19:30.17 | MrFrood | aussa: if that's what it says |
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| 19:30.31 | frikinz | I'm creating partitions with gparted(lazy me). Does alignment matter (cylinder or MiB) ? I'll only manage (!=use) partitions in Linux. I'm actually building a raid-1 for tests so MiB would be better suited probably. |
| 19:30.33 | aussa | thank you |
| 19:30.52 | minty-dio | Burning the 6.06 netinst now. thewanderer1 That response makes me think I don't understand the Debian development cycle. I guess I need to go read more :P |
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| 19:31.10 | frikinz | I remember windows didn't like building partitions not on cylinder boundaries. |
| 19:31.21 | fahad | hi, I have a system where X has crashed, I can't swtich to the TTY. I can ssh in though. /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart hasn't helped. is there much else I can beside the three/one finger salute? |
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| 19:31.44 | frikinz | fahad: chvt 1 would change to vt1 but not sure it helps.. |
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| 19:32.16 | klync_ | fahad: `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log` |
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| 19:32.25 | klync_ | fahad: `dmesg | tail` |
| 19:33.12 | fahad | frikinz: thanks, doesn't do much right now. |
| 19:33.18 | klync_ | frikinz: i don't think that matters with modern drives bc the chs are just virtualized afaik |
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| 19:33.48 | jakenl | fahad: If that doesn't work telinit 1, switches you to single user mode |
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| 19:35.33 | fahad | klync_: Xorg.0.log nothing interesting. dmesg... bunch of messages from fglrx nothing interesting again |
| 19:35.56 | fahad | jakenl: telinit would break my ssh connection though right? |
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| 19:36.25 | jakenl | I thought you were at the console too? But yes I guess so. |
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| 19:37.51 | fahad | I don't think my next machine wll have an amd card/cpu |
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| 19:38.08 | fahad | oops mischan |
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| 19:53.40 | Armand | How do I check my graphics are set up for OpenGL? |
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| 19:55.43 | fahad | Armand: glx_info |
| 19:55.46 | break19 | Armand: by trying to use something that uses OpenGL. you'll know pretty quick |
| 19:56.06 | fahad | Armand: right at the top should say direct rendering: Yes |
| 19:56.15 | Armand | I tried running an OpenGL screensaver, it's awful slow. |
| 19:56.36 | Armand | None of the compiz effects will work. |
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| 19:57.50 | Armand | glx_info: command not found |
| 19:59.00 | fahad | Armand: followed one of there? http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FAtiHowTo&ei=ZzBzUMTiM-HM0QX9_4CQAQ&usg=AFQjCNHVCQr6ggX7n-kiOz1m0wLvH2Xqvg&sig2=TTyyVOVGnfvsebtAcaGXqw http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FNvidiaGraphicsDrivers&ei=ZzBzUMTiM-HM0QX9_4CQAQ&us |
| 19:59.07 | fahad | oops |
| 19:59.11 | fahad | wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 19:59.17 | fahad | wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:59.35 | Armand | Ok, thanks |
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| 20:01.38 | thewanderer1 | so what's the preferred way to install Wheezy these days? still a Squeeze->Wheezy upgrade, or the testing d-i? |
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| 20:03.44 | fahad | dist-upgrade worked ok for me. not perfect though |
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| 20:05.25 | slb_ | does anyone hknow how i can restore my debian drive using a windows tool? after boot i got a drdy err and i cant do a thing so i moved it to a windows box to try to access it but its definitely corrupted any ideas of what I can do? |
| 20:05.26 | Armand | fahad, looking at this... it's the nouveau driver I'm using, just ain't enough.. ? |
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| 20:07.13 | confusid | using squeeze as host, what vm program should I use? |
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| 20:09.55 | fahad | confusid: kvm works well for me |
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| 20:10.53 | confusid | fahad: ty |
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| 20:12.25 | fahad | Armand: In my experience, I've had to use nv. |
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| 20:12.50 | frikinz | glxinfo not glx_info |
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| 20:16.20 | Armand | fahad, I did try that.. it told it was claimed by the kernel. O.o |
| 20:16.57 | Armand | brb, reboot.. |
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| 20:23.51 | mark_ | hi guys I have a problem. I am dist-upgrading squeeze->wheezy and I get an error: Impossibile eseguire immediatamente la configurazione su "default-jre". Per maggiori informazioni, consultare "man 5 apt.conf" alla sezione "APT::Immediate-Configure" (2). |
| 20:24.14 | mark_ | I see that there is a bug on the net but how to solve this?? |
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| 20:25.25 | sney | !tell mark_ about immediate configuration |
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| 20:27.45 | mark_ | sney, sudo dpkg -r default-jre tells me that ldconfig, start-stop-daemon and update-rc.d are not found in PATH |
| 20:28.19 | sney | mark_: do it with su then |
| 20:30.33 | mark_ | sney, it depends from frostwire, now I'm removing it I will reinstall it later let's see |
| 20:32.08 | mark_ | sney, now openjdk-6-jre |
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| 20:32.33 | sney | mark_: I cannot tell you anything more that dpkg did not already say |
| 20:32.44 | sney | mark_: just continue until it no longer gives the error. |
| 20:32.52 | mark_ | ok |
| 20:32.55 | mark_ | let's see.. |
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| 20:34.57 | thewanderer1 | hmm, DHCP didn't work for me during install, timed out (6.0.5-amd64 iso on a pendrive). is that a known issue? manual configuration of the NIC worked. |
| 20:35.12 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Nope. |
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| 20:35.29 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe my DHCP server sucks... |
| 20:35.33 | jhutchins | Interesting that manual worked though. |
| 20:36.01 | thewanderer1 | the NIC only went up at the installing packages stage, AFAICT... right after config, I could not ping the machine |
| 20:36.01 | jhutchins | I would have said nic driver issues, but then it probably wouldn't have come up manually. |
| 20:36.20 | jhutchins | Possibly something about broadcast/promiscuous mode. |
| 20:36.39 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Does DHCP work post-install? |
| 20:36.54 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure, installing package sets now |
| 20:37.06 | thewanderer1 | strange that I didn't see any broadcast packets arrive at my DHCP server, though |
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| 20:38.29 | mark_ | sney, it's installing with su ... with sudo there are problems of "PATH"... let's see |
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| 20:39.16 | sney | mark_: yes, there was a change in /etc/sudoers that caused that issue for some people, mostly when dpkg asked if they wanted the new sudoers and they said no, keep the old one |
| 20:39.37 | mark_ | yeah... that's what I did :S |
| 20:40.31 | rkaw | oh, another strange occurence... why would Debian always want to install GRUB's MBR bootcode to /dev/sda, even though my root is on /dev/sde? |
| 20:40.42 | rkaw | (yes, this is in d-i) |
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| 20:40.59 | rkaw | I had to specify the device manually |
| 20:41.30 | jhutchins | rkaw: first hard drive would be a normal default. |
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| 20:41.46 | jhutchins | rkaw: It needs to be on the MBR of the first bootable drive. |
| 20:42.02 | jhutchins | rkaw: That or you have to select the drive with a bios boot menu. |
| 20:42.19 | jelly-home | jhutchins: even when it finds the usb stick it booted from as first drive? |
| 20:42.23 | jhutchins | rkaw: Doesn't care where root actually is as long as it can fnind it. |
| 20:42.51 | jhutchins | jelly-home: It wouldn't know that the usb drive wasn't intended to be permanent. |
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| 20:43.09 | jelly-home | jhutchins: it should, when it's the installation media |
| 20:43.14 | jhutchins | jelly-home: It's not detecting it as sr but a normal sd |
| 20:43.24 | jelly-home | irrelevant |
| 20:43.28 | jhutchins | jelly-home: It's RW, not RO, a CD would be RO. |
| 20:43.32 | rkaw | jhutchins: well, yes... the problem is, the drive has a GPT on it and no real place to put the GRUB |
| 20:43.59 | jelly-home | jhutchins: "installation media", not CD |
| 20:44.09 | rkaw | I guess this area could use some care |
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| 20:44.20 | jhutchins | That's why you can change it after all, you're smarter than the software. |
| 20:44.54 | rkaw | see, that's the issue :P |
| 20:45.14 | mark_ | sney, now a problem on "phonon-backend-vlc" |
| 20:45.16 | jelly-home | and that takes us back to the original question |
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| 20:45.40 | KsM | err |
| 20:45.47 | KsM | is there any way to refresh /dev |
| 20:45.52 | KsM | and have everything recreated |
| 20:45.57 | Armand | fahad, got it.. thank you. :) |
| 20:46.12 | jhutchins | jelly-home: What would you suggest? |
| 20:46.18 | fahad | Armand: well done! |
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| 20:46.41 | steveydevey | KsM, maybe: sudo udevadm trigger |
| 20:46.42 | Armand | It's messed up my fonts, but that's easy to fix. :) |
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| 20:47.16 | mark_ | sney, I have a problem because of dependency from phyton <2.7 but I have 2.7.3.rc1... |
| 20:47.48 | mark_ | sney, and if I apt-get install -f it gives phonon-backend-vlc problem (apt 5) but it's not installed... |
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| 20:50.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins: do not default to the device where the installer image is found |
| 20:50.35 | KsM | steveydevey: that didn't seem to really do anything |
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| 20:50.56 | KsM | Thing is I accidentally symlinked /dev/sr0 to /dev/cdrom instead of the other way around |
| 20:51.14 | KsM | and now there's a symlink loop and the actual device for the cdrom is gone |
| 20:51.37 | mark_ | sney, I don't have connection to check this... what about this problem?E: Impossibile eseguire immediatamente la configurazione su "phonon-backend-vlc". Per maggiori informazioni, consultare "man 5 apt.conf" alla sezione "APT::Immediate-Configure" (2) |
| 20:51.39 | rkaw | KsM: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV generic |
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| 20:53.26 | mark_ | guys I'm blocked in the squeeze to wheezy upgrade...E: Impossibile eseguire immediatamente la configurazione su "phonon-backend-vlc". Per maggiori informazioni, consultare "man 5 apt.conf" alla sezione "APT::Immediate-Configure" (2) |
| 20:54.09 | KsM | rkaw: thanks, steveydevey too |
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| 20:55.21 | steveydevey | ksk: Sorry I couldn't be ACTUALLY helpful :) |
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| 20:56.19 | sKeiths | what package does switchdesk come in? |
| 20:56.52 | mark_ | if I remove this package it says that it is not installed... |
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| 21:07.44 | frikinz | How to remove a (software..) raid with mdadm ? |
| 21:08.00 | frikinz | mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdb6 results in mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
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| 21:10.36 | frikinz | ah so simple. no need to go through removing the members. ok.. mdadm --stop followed by --remove /dev/md0 |
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| 21:13.31 | smithi | good evening, everyone |
| 21:14.05 | smithi | I wanted to install soon wheezy. Is there something i must note, when i later upgrade from testing to stable? |
| 21:14.39 | nkuttler | smithi: that would be a downgrade and downgrade is not supported |
| 21:15.17 | nkuttler | smithi: if you mean install testing wheezy and keep running wheezy, just do it |
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| 21:16.21 | smithi | nkuttler: when wheezy becomes stable, I must re-install? |
| 21:16.30 | nkuttler | smithi: no |
| 21:16.53 | tim_flatus | smithi: just got it the wrong way round methinks |
| 21:17.29 | tim_flatus | There are a few gotchas. Gnome3 for a start. ;-p |
| 21:18.13 | tim_flatus | But you can disable gnome shell |
| 21:18.39 | nkuttler | tim_flatus: smithi never mentioned gnome.. |
| 21:19.10 | tim_flatus | nkuttler: I'll get back under the bridge ... |
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| 21:20.52 | smithi | no, i use openbox |
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| 21:23.24 | mark_ | guys I am doing the dist-upgrade. When it finishes (hopefully without errors...) what should I run? |
| 21:23.55 | nkuttler | mark_: what do you mean? nothing? |
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| 21:24.12 | mark_ | just because usually I am scared of rebooting :) |
| 21:24.26 | nkuttler | mark_: well if you get a new kernel you should reboot asap |
| 21:24.36 | mark_ | k |
| 21:25.10 | tim_flatus | smithi: I just did the upgrade and found it reasonably straightforward. Are you installing from scratch or upgrading? |
| 21:26.28 | smithi | tim_flatus: I would now wheezy (testing) install and use, without re-install later when wheezy becomes stable. Is this possible? |
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| 21:26.57 | JessicaW | is it possible to have static IP's on eth1-3 on a PXE booted machine if several machines are using the same dracut image? |
| 21:27.38 | tim_flatus | smithi: yes, just set your sources to 'wheezy' rather than 'testing' |
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| 21:28.11 | rkaw | JessicaW: you can always hack the initramfs to do MAC<>IP mapping... how to do that precisely, I don't know |
| 21:28.32 | smithi | i use anyway the names in fstab |
| 21:28.34 | JessicaW | rkaw: ouch. that sounds SUPER FUN.... |
| 21:28.51 | smithi | sorry sources.list |
| 21:28.57 | rkaw | I couldn't get my interfaces to be named sensibly, so now I only PXE-boot machines with 1 NIC :P |
| 21:30.33 | smithi | tim_flatus: i use anyway the names in sources.list. Must i also make a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:30.42 | JessicaW | well, I have my compute nodes on my cluster booting to one nic but, I need to have the other three to use for an ISCSI SAN... |
| 21:31.38 | tim_flatus | smithi: are you currently running stable (squeeze)? You need dist-upgrade to testing (wheezy) |
| 21:31.49 | rkaw | JessicaW: so you're not limited to configuring the interfaces inside the initramfs, correct? you can do it after the node has booted? |
| 21:32.28 | shicy_ | tim_flatus, smithi , i had some troubles switching from squeeze to testing... |
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| 21:32.54 | JessicaW | rkaw: correct. I could even edit the network interfaces after it's booted but the config won't stay if we have to reboot. |
| 21:32.59 | shicy_ | but, it was long time ago, maybe it's safe at the moment... |
| 21:33.15 | tim_flatus | shicy_: Some people do, it depends on how clean your existing install is. |
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| 21:33.40 | rkaw | JessicaW: well, you need a way to edit the root filesystem anyway |
| 21:34.09 | shicy_ | tim_flatus, that could be the possible explanation ;) |
| 21:34.16 | rkaw | JessicaW: then you can use udev rules to specify MAC<>ifname mappings, and use interface names in /etc/network/interfaces to configure them per-node |
| 21:35.00 | smithi | tim_flatus: i know, i must do a dist-upgrading from stable to testing. But also the other way from wheezy (testing) later to wheezy (stable)? |
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| 21:35.08 | abrotman | no |
| 21:35.12 | mark_ | I have errors in /var/cache/apt/archives/libav-tools_6%3a0.8.3-7_amd64.deb |
| 21:35.15 | JessicaW | rkaw: I'm going to have to read up on that. |
| 21:35.16 | JessicaW | rkaw: but it sound plausible. :) |
| 21:35.16 | JessicaW | rkaw: *sounds |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | smithi: change your sources to point at wheezy now |
| 21:35.24 | abrotman | mark_: use a pastebin to show us |
| 21:35.39 | tim_flatus | Sometimes you have to be prepared to uninstall certain applications and re-install. Best make a copy of your package choices. |
| 21:35.51 | shicy_ | smithi, if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list to "deb ..... wheezy ..." |
| 21:36.13 | shicy_ | you will not have to change anything later |
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| 21:36.26 | shicy_ | so you'll have Wheezy ;) |
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| 21:37.17 | tim_flatus | smithi: no you don't have to dist upgrade from wheezy to wheezy when it becomes stable. |
| 21:37.46 | smithi | abrotman: i will not make a upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. i will install wheezy (testing) and later, if wheezy becomes stable, then make a upgrade from wheezy (testing) to wheezy (stable) without re-install |
| 21:38.20 | abrotman | smithi: that's a bit silly, but your decision |
| 21:38.25 | shicy_ | smithi, if you change your repositories to Wheezy |
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| 21:38.29 | tim_flatus | smithi: in that case you don't need to worry about dist-upgrade. |
| 21:38.38 | shicy_ | you won't have to change them later |
| 21:39.39 | shicy_ | if you change repos to Wheezy just now, you'll run "freeze version" of Debian ;) |
| 21:40.12 | shicy_ | and, when Wheezy becomes stable, you'll automatically have stable (Wheezy) release ;) |
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| 21:41.25 | smithi | tim_flatus: just set "wheezy" in sources.list and thats it. Debian will take updates later then from the stable repos? I need to do anything? |
| 21:41.49 | tim_flatus | smithi: that's it. :-) |
| 21:42.02 | Guest28974 | Ok guys i need help. I just started a Debian server and wanted to start a minecraft server? |
| 21:42.08 | smithi | tim_flatus: ok thanks. |
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| 21:42.46 | tim_flatus | Guest28974: ooh is minecraaft in Debian now? |
| 21:42.56 | abrotman | Guest28974: there's a #minecraft |
| 21:43.21 | shicy_ | tim_flatus, smithi has to dist-upgrade? i think he/she has to... |
| 21:43.25 | rkaw | what was the kernel make target for automatic selection of modules, based on the local hardware? |
| 21:43.25 | Guest28974 | tim_flatus you cant run MC on debian? |
| 21:43.49 | tim_flatus | shicy_: NO |
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| 21:44.00 | shicy_ | ok, thanks ;) |
| 21:44.05 | Guest28974 | tim_flatus ohhhh ok |
| 21:44.19 | Guest28974 | tim_flatus should i go to the mc IRC |
| 21:44.23 | tim_flatus | Guest28974: haven't tried. I'm addicted to Sauerbraten, so minecraft is a bit blocky after that ... |
| 21:44.57 | tim_flatus | Guest28974: yes. You need app-specific help. |
| 21:45.09 | nsadmin | apt-get and aptitude has this parameter -t foo, and I want to know where it gets the possible values of -t for a particular installation |
| 21:45.21 | Guest28974 | tim_flatus ok thanks for the help |
| 21:45.55 | tim_flatus | Guest28974: thank abrotman. |
| 21:46.06 | nsadmin | minecraft is a bit blocky after anything :) and yet, it made it to the media |
| 21:46.33 | rkaw | okay, "localmodconfig", got it |
| 21:46.41 | tim_flatus | nsadmin: unique gameplay. |
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| 21:47.13 | nsadmin | never got to that part I suppose :) for one, never played it on the net |
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| 21:49.31 | nsadmin | so, apt-get ... -t foo ...; where does foo come from? sources.list? |
| 21:49.53 | nsadmin | or the files downloaded by apt-get update? |
| 21:50.03 | jelly-home | nsadmin: apt-cache policy, a= or v= or n= values? |
| 21:50.21 | jelly-home | (just guessing from the docs) |
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| 21:51.55 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.31 | nsadmin | so maybe a= or n=? |
| 21:53.08 | smithi | another question: some sites call wheezy is frozen, but I cannot read about it on debian.org. Is wheezy frozen? |
| 21:53.09 | nsadmin | o= looks like "pretty"/human-readable |
| 21:53.19 | nsadmin | yes |
| 21:53.51 | nsadmin | it froze maybe 3-4 months ago |
| 21:53.52 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I was thinking any of a, v or n |
| 21:54.08 | jelly-home | so 6.0.6 or squeeze or stable |
| 21:54.32 | jelly-home | inclusive or. |
| 21:54.42 | themill | (which is what apt-get(1) says too) |
| 21:54.53 | jelly-home | which is where I read it! |
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| 21:55.27 | wizbit | apt-get leave-channel |
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| 21:55.36 | jelly-home | woohoo, 3.2.30 in unstable |
| 21:56.05 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.54 | jelly-home | !wheeze freeze |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | again! |
| 21:57.10 | jelly-home | wheezy freezy? |
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| 21:57.23 | nsadmin | apt-get flip-million-dollar-hotel |
| 21:58.07 | nsadmin | fleas sez to squeeze frozen wheez |
| 21:58.13 | smithi | nsadmin: why has not reported on debian.org |
| 21:59.10 | nsadmin | there should have been something, http://lists.debian.org and maybe look at debian-release, debian-devel and debian-user |
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| 21:59.12 | abrotman | smithi: it is, see the News section |
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| 22:01.01 | shicy_ | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/13/#freeze |
| 22:02.36 | smithi | abrotman: i read the news, from 20. Jan. to 29. Sep. 2012. http://www.debian.org/News/ but here nothing about the freeze. |
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| 22:04.13 | themill | smithi: if you want to know about debian development, you should subscribe to the debian-devel-announce list; /msg dpkg d-d-a |
| 22:04.38 | shicy_ | smithi, take a look at my previous sentence |
| 22:04.54 | shicy_ | and click on it :P |
| 22:05.20 | smithi | thanks for your tip :-P |
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| 22:05.34 | shicy_ | ;) |
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| 22:07.23 | KsM | can e4defrag be run on a mounted filesystem |
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| 22:08.31 | smithi | shicy: ok. i need to subscribe the news |
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| 22:10.44 | smithi | ok, many thanks to all who helped me with my questions. Good Night |
| 22:11.00 | shicy_ | good night smithi |
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| 22:12.08 | tim_flatus | You shouldn't have to subscribe to debian_devel just to find out if testing is frozen. |
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| 22:12.55 | themill | tim_flatus: you don't |
| 22:13.07 | KsM | /topic |
| 22:13.14 | shicy_ | are there any news in becoming FSF's recommended distro? |
| 22:14.31 | themill | tim_flatus: if knowing such development details is important to you, you could subscribe to debian-devel-*announce* (which is what I said earlier too) which is a very low volume announcement list about umm debian development. |
| 22:14.38 | shicy_ | "Is" there any news ;) |
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| 22:19.10 | tim_flatus | themill: actually I read the News. i just think the information could be made more prominent on the website as it is of interest to more than just developers. |
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| 22:21.58 | themill | The News archive is press releases to the announcement list. Freezing is a milestone in development and there's a separate list for that. This is the sort of thing where half the people are going to complain that there are too many announcements and half the people are going to complain there are too few. It's irrelevant to stable users and testing/unstable users should already be reading d-d-a anyway. |
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| 22:22.44 | tim_flatus | themill: I disagree. |
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| 22:24.42 | themill | and it was also in debian project news for those who want a semi-regular digest of news. |
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| 22:30.43 | tim_flatus | themill: Fair enough. I don't personally, I got bored with mailing lists. I know you can't please all the people all the time. Many 'ordinary' desktop users run testing. |
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| 22:32.02 | abrotman | htf can you read a year of news and see nothing about the freeze? .. wtf |
| 22:32.39 | themill | abrotman: the freeze wasn't announced on debian-announce (but was mentioned in a later news item) |
| 22:32.39 | jelly-home | I think that's his point. |
| 22:33.06 | jhutchins | Developers are expected to seek out the information they need to a greater extent than casual users. Since testing is not intended as the public release, news regarding it is not front page stuff. |
| 22:33.46 | jhutchins | People are confused enough that testing is just the bright new shiney and don't understand it's a work in progress. It shouldn't be treated as a regular release until it is released. |
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| 22:35.11 | abrotman | themill: click the News link .. it's like the fifth one down |
| 22:35.26 | jhutchins | tim_flatus: We should probably point out that the freeze is in the topic here too. |
| 22:35.27 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2012/13/ |
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| 22:35.48 | themill | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/News/ is where people are looking |
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| 22:36.24 | abrotman | not my fault! |
| 22:36.28 | themill | abrotman: the fact that there is both "News" and "Project News" differing in verbosity and content is apparently challenging. |
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| 22:37.34 | jelly-home | confusing as a pony breaking the fourth wall |
| 22:37.42 | abrotman | fourth meal! |
| 22:39.02 | tim_flatus | It's no-one's 'fault'. It's just that ordinary users don't follow Debian Policy, they check in at the front page of the site and follow the links. OK sure, you can tell them that they should run stable, but stable is as boring as your grandparent's marriage. |
| 22:39.38 | tim_flatus | The trouble is that most users don't look at it from a developer's point of view. |
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| 22:41.49 | tim_flatus | A lot of Debian users fall into a big grey area. |
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| 23:02.53 | KsM | hm |
| 23:03.48 | KsM | what does e4defrag mean by "Failure" when it gives the end result of Success/Failure and a fraction |
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| 23:04.18 | KsM | The amount of files that weren't defragmented, or something bad like they got corrupted during fragmentation |
| 23:04.46 | rkaw | if files would get corrupted, ext4 wouldn't be in use today... |
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| 23:05.17 | KsM | rkaw: not ext4, but I've heard lots of people say e4defrag is buggy |
| 23:07.29 | rkaw | why are you trying to defragment the fs, anyway? it's designed to avoid fragmentation in the first place |
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| 23:10.38 | KsM | IT still gets fragmented, very little but still |
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| 23:13.40 | rkaw | well, yes. and I don't have to tell you what to choose if your options are 1% fragmentation or data corruption :P |
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| 23:22.44 | arthulia | I can install zsh and it won't set itself as the default shell for users or anything like that, right? |
| 23:23.00 | MrFrood | right |
| 23:23.08 | arthulia | sweet |
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| 23:57.37 | gena2x | what may be wrong: debootstrap --arch=armel --verbose unstable target http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian |
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| 23:57.50 | gena2x | wget http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz <-- ok |
| 23:58.07 | gena2x | same with stable, testing and so on =( |
| 23:58.12 | gena2x | debootstrap is latest |
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| 23:59.36 | abrotman | tried a different mirror ? |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | you're not showing us an error either |
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