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| 00:00.35 | gena2x | yes |
| 00:00.40 | gena2x | tried mirrors |
| 00:00.46 | gena2x | or without mirror |
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| 00:01.20 | gena2x | E: Couldn't download dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages |
| 00:01.31 | gena2x | ^^^ error |
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| 00:02.24 | gena2x | cancel |
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| 00:02.38 | gena2x | oh, no, it still can't download |
| 00:02.50 | gena2x | what's wrong... |
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| 00:03.37 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 00:03.51 | gena2x | waiting |
| 00:03.56 | abrotman | nope, i was wrong |
| 00:04.06 | gena2x | stops wait |
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| 00:04.22 | abrotman | can you wget it manually ? |
| 00:04.30 | gena2x | yes... |
| 00:04.32 | waynr | howdy folks |
| 00:04.42 | gena2x | but Packages.gz |
| 00:04.48 | gena2x | or Packages.bz2 |
| 00:04.58 | gena2x | not just 'Packages' |
| 00:04.58 | waynr | anyone know of any active efforts to get debian working on Asus Transformer Pad Infinity (TF700) |
| 00:05.22 | gena2x | may be i cat put it somewhere? |
| 00:05.26 | gena2x | manually |
| 00:05.44 | waynr | or even efforts aimed at general guides to getting debian running on embedded ARM devices |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | waynr: /msg dpkg arm |
| 00:06.08 | abrotman | gena2x: i don't see the Packages on mirrors either .. sure your debootstreap is up to date? |
| 00:06.15 | gena2x | yes |
| 00:06.21 | gena2x | it is latest |
| 00:06.25 | gena2x | i installed it manually |
| 00:06.33 | gena2x | downloaded from p.d.o |
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| 00:06.59 | gena2x | ii debootstrap 1.0.42 |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | judd: versions debootstrap |
| 00:08.24 | judd | Package: debootstrap on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.10lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.25~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.26+squeeze1; sid: 1.0.42; wheezy: 1.0.42 |
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| 00:08.33 | abrotman | nope doesn't get newer than that |
| 00:08.54 | gena2x | judd: help |
| 00:08.55 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 00:09.00 | gena2x | hm |
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| 00:09.44 | gena2x | and it worked month ago i think |
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| 00:09.56 | gena2x | so i am wondering... |
| 00:11.10 | gena2x | for x86 it is ok |
| 00:11.12 | gena2x | weird |
| 00:13.17 | gena2x | --arch=armel works for i386 |
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| 00:13.54 | waynr | thanks abrotman |
| 00:15.15 | gena2x | got it. sorry for bothering =) |
| 00:15.52 | abrotman | gena2x: glad you worked it out |
| 00:16.19 | gena2x | abrotman, it had no free space =) |
| 00:16.31 | gena2x | message was really weird |
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| 00:16.49 | gena2x | abrotman, thank you for attempt to help =) |
| 00:17.06 | abrotman | whoops |
| 00:20.51 | a111 | where is a umask set, is it per user, per folder, per group |
| 00:20.52 | a111 | or what |
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| 00:21.42 | fortress_ | hello, does anyone know a way to mount an encrypted sparseimage (mac created disk image) on debian? |
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| 00:39.32 | eilyx | i found an apt line for backports for squeeze |
| 00:39.43 | eilyx | while squeeze is wht i am actually using right now |
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| 00:39.52 | eilyx | are there more recent backports |
| 00:40.03 | eilyx | something later, source-wise |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | you can make your own |
| 00:41.08 | eilyx | is there a place where i can get the latest source packages? |
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| 00:44.36 | abrotman | !tell eilyx about ssb |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | it doesn't work for all packages |
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| 00:47.02 | eilyx | that seems complicated |
| 00:47.12 | eilyx | but it is guaranteed to get me the latest source code |
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| 00:48.18 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:53.42 | tryy3 | hi, iam trying to boot my desktop with debian liveCD but i getting black screen after it tryed to load gnome! please help me! |
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| 01:03.26 | LtL | tryy3: still can't boot off your hdd? |
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| 01:06.11 | tryy3 | LtL nope talked with some others and relised i had overwrite normal W7 boot so iam trying to use LiveCD to acess my files to quickly backup some stuff but getting black screen after it loads gnome now! |
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| 01:07.42 | LtL | tryy3: so this is a dual-boot box ? |
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| 01:08.08 | LtL | tryy3: is windows on the hdd |
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| 01:09.45 | tryy3 | LtL if debian didn't overwrite windows too then yes, but i cant boot to it cuz debian overwrote that part (i took No for debian to be master boot loader cuz i thought if i took yes then it would over write windows |
| 01:09.45 | LtL | tryy3: it's not illegal if it is! do you get a grub menu booting off the hard drive |
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| 01:10.23 | LtL | tryy3: so where did you install grub |
| 01:11.13 | LtL | tryy3: did the install 'see' windows |
| 01:12.12 | LtL | tryy3: windows is still there unless you chose to use the entire drive for debian |
| 01:12.38 | LtL | tryy3: what type of partitioning did you do |
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| 01:13.05 | tryy3 | i get a grub meny booting when botting of the hard drive but i only get debian there |
| 01:13.18 | tryy3 | and i dont think there was a section with 'see' windows |
| 01:13.33 | LtL | tryy3: thats kinda normal, can you boot that? |
| 01:13.35 | tryy3 | and if i remember correctly it said something about it couldn't find another OS |
| 01:14.00 | LtL | tryy3: can you still boot the machine with nomodeset |
| 01:14.22 | tryy3 | nope i got black-screen there too |
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| 01:16.14 | LtL | tryy3: you don't happen to have a gparted live cd available do you, i have no idea whats on the disk |
| 01:16.57 | LtL | tryy3: i've never used a debian live cd, but you should be able to get a console and then take it from there |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | nvidia video card? |
| 01:17.20 | tryy3 | LtL not sure what gparted is but i downloaded a liveCD with gnome on thats what i tryed to boot now and only got black screen after it loaded gnome |
| 01:17.24 | tryy3 | abrotman correct |
| 01:17.34 | LtL | tryy3: abrotman is talking to you i believe |
| 01:17.52 | tryy3 | LtL i know ^_^ |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | i'm talking to the other two poeple talking in the channel :) |
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| 01:18.08 | tryy3 | :) |
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| 01:18.24 | tryy3 | abrotman but ye i got a nvidia card (gtx 550ti) |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | tryy3: have you tried an ubuntu liveCD? it may have newer support for some cards |
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| 01:18.35 | LtL | tryy3: k, nvidia is part of your problem i'll assume. its happened to me. i use nomodeset |
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| 01:19.05 | tryy3 | abrotman not liveCD but i tryed wubi before but it was same problem so i uninstalled that and was gonna use a CD so i took debian instead |
| 01:19.19 | tryy3 | LtL well nomodeset dont work for me ;( |
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| 01:20.25 | LtL | tryy3: yeah, mine is a junky old laptop and nomodeset is what i make is work with, nouveau video driver doesnt play not with it. |
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| 01:21.36 | tryy3 | LtL i got a new desktop :D |
| 01:21.56 | gnarface | hmm. i have a gtx 550 ti and i'm pretty sure the squeeze livecd worked for me... |
| 01:22.04 | gnarface | i could be wrong about that |
| 01:22.18 | LtL | tryy3: the trick is to get a newer kernel on your box, hopefully to recognize your hardware. i would try to re-install debian with no desktop and take it from there, but that may be more work than needed. |
| 01:22.19 | gnarface | oh no i have a 560 Ti maybe that is the difference |
| 01:22.52 | LtL | gnarface: my laptop is a 11 year old toshiba nvidia archaic model |
| 01:23.12 | LtL | gnarface: nouveau hate it |
| 01:23.20 | LtL | *hates |
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| 01:24.31 | tryy3 | LtL well, i still wanna be able to acess windows as fast possible cuz i forgot to make a backup of a few things cuz i was in a stress due to my friend wanted hes server to go on -.- |
| 01:25.26 | LtL | tryy3: your box is fixable, i'm just not sure how you should go about it, there are a few ways. try to boot debian live cd to a console, no desktop if it will |
| 01:26.17 | LtL | tryy3: if you can boot to a console with r/w access you can probably mount the windows partition and copy files to media |
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| 01:27.17 | tryy3 | LtL k gonna reboot my desktop then cuz it doesn't seem wanna do anything atm |
| 01:27.24 | LtL | tryy3: or, you can use a windows disk, repair the mbr and boot windows right away, worry about debian later |
| 01:27.59 | LtL | tryy3: fixmbr is the command iirc |
| 01:28.16 | tryy3 | LtL ye thats what iam trying to do but while its downloading i trying to fix debian |
| 01:28.27 | LtL | tryy3: let me guess your window disk is on a partition? |
| 01:28.45 | LtL | hates that. |
| 01:28.53 | tryy3 | LtL its on my internal hdd |
| 01:29.06 | LtL | tryy3: nod. ack |
| 01:29.18 | tryy3 | LtL or well the installation is on a disk but the normal windows i have is on my internal hdd |
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| 01:29.59 | LtL | tryy3: use the install disk and fix it |
| 01:30.19 | LtL | tryy3: check the drive and run debian later |
| 01:30.22 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
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| 01:30.46 | tryy3 | LtL i hope it didn't overwrote the whole disk :S |
| 01:31.19 | LtL | tryy3: i doubt it, did you prepare free space first?? |
| 01:31.38 | LtL | tryy3: you'll soon know |
| 01:31.46 | tryy3 | LtL i had about 200-400gb left so :P |
| 01:32.18 | tryy3 | LtL or well it was 1tb hdd so maybe 600-800gb |
| 01:32.39 | LtL | tryy3: debian should have asked how much to use during install |
| 01:33.21 | LtL | tryy3: if you had a cd to boot with a partitioner you could see if its there |
| 01:33.28 | tryy3 | LtL i think i picked something with the whole or rest of the disk or similiar :S |
| 01:33.56 | LtL | tryy3: pop in windows and choose repair if you wanna |
| 01:34.17 | LtL | tryy3: whole or rest is totally different |
| 01:34.36 | tryy3 | LtL i know but i cant remember what i took :S |
| 01:34.49 | LtL | tryy3: free available would be the proper choice, then windows is still there |
| 01:35.04 | tryy3 | then i hope i took that :S |
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| 01:35.48 | LtL | tryy3: well a gparted live cd could be d\l'd in minutes...depending |
| 01:36.10 | LtL | tryy3: its only 200-300 MB iirc |
| 01:36.27 | tryy3 | LtL mind linking me so i dont download wrong? |
| 01:36.33 | LtL | tryy3: 124 MB |
| 01:36.42 | LtL | tryy3: SEC. |
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| 01:36.46 | tryy3 | LtL k |
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| 01:37.26 | LtL | tryy3: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 01:37.56 | LtL | tryy3: don't destroy anything, just look |
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| 01:38.14 | tryy3 | LtL hehe ok, whats gparted btw? |
| 01:38.46 | LtL | tryy3: well, to see what is on the drive, exactly. then decide what to do |
| 01:38.46 | tryy3 | LtL nvm i read at top :D |
| 01:38.47 | nsadmin | partition tool, gui |
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| 01:44.34 | tryy3 | i took Live (failsafe) from debian liveCD and now it seems to booted up |
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| 01:45.21 | LtL | tryy3: you see an NTFS partition, plus an ext3 |
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| 01:46.01 | LtL | tryy3: oh nm |
| 01:46.14 | LtL | tryy3: gui or console |
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| 01:46.38 | tryy3 | LtL console |
| 01:46.40 | LtL | i assume console |
| 01:47.22 | LtL | tryy3: can you run fdisk -l |
| 01:47.36 | LtL | tryy3: thats an 'L' |
| 01:48.19 | LtL | tryy3: if you see a ntfs partition windows is ok |
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| 01:49.18 | LtL | tryy3: you really need better help than me, i would be 'winging' it myself. |
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| 01:51.49 | tryy3 | LtL i belive this is the windows part '/dev/sdg1 * 1 39732 (alot of numbers) 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 01:52.00 | tryy3 | that is windows right? |
| 01:53.00 | LtL | tryy3: yeah thats windows |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | are you still playing with this? |
| 01:53.19 | LtL | tryy3: how many drives do you have |
| 01:53.46 | LtL | tryy3: oh n, youre on a live cd |
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| 01:54.44 | LtL | tryy3: you could boot off your hdd, edit grub like this, init=/bin/bash thats all then get a console, fix from there, mount windows. |
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| 01:55.19 | tryy3 | LtL i cant touch windows from LiveCD? |
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| 01:55.36 | LtL | tryy3: i never tried to be honest |
| 01:56.02 | tryy3 | LtL :S |
| 01:56.33 | ItzExor | what are you trying to do |
| 01:56.49 | LtL | tryy3: tryy3 if you have removable media, you might |
| 01:56.59 | tryy3 | LtL i got a external hdd? |
| 01:57.01 | FlatBaroque | Hi all...just wondering if anyone has the binary nvidia drivers working with a xen kernel? |
| 01:58.03 | nsadmin | FlatBaroque, for a dom0? |
| 01:58.11 | FlatBaroque | yeup |
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| 01:58.57 | ItzExor | tryy3, if you need files you should be able to easily mount the ntfs volume and copy the files to dropbox or usb flash drive or w/e |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | ItzExor: without X ? |
| 01:59.18 | LtL | tryy3: like i said, i've never used a live OS cd, ..um what ItzExor said |
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| 01:59.44 | ItzExor | idk if you can get it on dropbox without x but the rest yeah |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | great plan |
| 02:00.03 | nsadmin | that should be easy (and "should" is close enuf only in horseshoes, so ymmv)... what makes it easy is the dom0 is what has as unrestricted access to hardware as a normal non xen setup; |
| 02:00.16 | tryy3 | ItzExor how can i mount the ntfs volume? |
| 02:00.24 | tryy3 | LtL ok only 1 way to find out :P |
| 02:00.41 | FlatBaroque | nsadmin: am wanting to run normal workstation in dom0, but some domU's for network services without X |
| 02:00.57 | ItzExor | in a terminal make a folder to mount it to like mkdir mnt and mount /dev/sdg1 mnt |
| 02:01.32 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure that;s worked before when I was doing it under xen-3.1 and 3.2 |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | FlatBaroque: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570365 .. is that related? |
| 02:02.09 | nsadmin | I had an nvidia mobo and swapped a ati mobo in |
| 02:02.40 | FlatBaroque | nsadmin: yeah thats what i was thinking, but I can't seem to get X working at all with nvidia... |
| 02:02.48 | tryy3 | o.O i open that folder now and it was my external hdd not my internal hdd :S |
| 02:02.54 | FlatBaroque | abrotman: yeup...it looks very similiar to what im geting |
| 02:03.00 | LtL | tryy3: mkdir mnt then mount -t ntfs /dev/sdg1 /mnt maybe |
| 02:03.08 | ItzExor | tryy3, ok that's the wrong drive |
| 02:03.18 | ItzExor | do umount /dev/sdg1 |
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| 02:04.42 | FlatBaroque | maybe i'll try an ati card...thanks guys |
| 02:04.44 | ItzExor | tryy3, check fdisk -l again and see if there are any other ntfs partitions listed |
| 02:05.24 | nsadmin | FlatBaroque, if you've tried it, what exactly were the symptoms and indications? |
| 02:07.14 | tryy3 | ItzExor nope ;( only HPFS/NTFS (the one i just tryed) then Extended, Linux and Linux swap / Solaris |
| 02:07.27 | ItzExor | that sucks |
| 02:07.47 | ItzExor | you might have overwritten the partition then |
| 02:08.07 | tryy3 | probly ;( |
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| 02:09.20 | LtL | tryy3: ntfs is windows, the rest is your debian install, if you have windows install media you probably only have one ntfs partition. i would think. i.e. no recovery ntfs partition. |
| 02:09.20 | tryy3 | gonna try boot with a W7 disk and test the thingy from CMD if not then i lost the stuff ,( |
| 02:10.40 | LtL | tryy3: its there |
| 02:10.47 | nsadmin | tryy3, also note that you could try restoring from your backup |
| 02:11.12 | tryy3 | nsadmin i dont got any backups... or does it create an automatic backup? |
| 02:11.16 | tryy3 | LtL what you mean? |
| 02:11.41 | FlatBaroque | nsadmin: pretty much as described in OP of that bug report but with standard deb packages. Module loads seemingly ok, but upon starting X get debug output in dmesg and no X. |
| 02:11.45 | nsadmin | no, if you didn't create any, you probably don't have one |
| 02:12.31 | nsadmin | FlatBaroque, had you tried xen/x on a dom0 before/ |
| 02:12.34 | nsadmin | ? |
| 02:12.54 | nsadmin | and had itworking? |
| 02:13.07 | FlatBaroque | nsadmin: all consoles break, and need to ssh in to reboot. No never used x on xen prior, but familiar with xen in server env. |
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| 02:13.42 | abrotman | FlatBaroque: i vaguely recall they are not compatible |
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| 02:14.30 | tryy3 | LtL iam gonna test to do the W7 disk stuff but i think i wrote it over compeltly ;( |
| 02:14.53 | nsadmin | I tried to run jack/xen together (well at the time jack started) and the dom0 crashed |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | FlatBaroque: you could try the bpo kernel + nviida |
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| 02:16.38 | LtL | tryy3: i doubt you over-wrote it. |
| 02:17.05 | tryy3 | LtL lets hope i got my luck with me :S |
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| 02:17.38 | LtL | tryy3: boot win7 choose repair |
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| 02:17.51 | tryy3 | LtL burning atm :D |
| 02:18.13 | nsadmin | squirts water at LtL to put him out! |
| 02:18.17 | LtL | tryy3: burning what, you said you had the installation disk |
| 02:18.36 | LtL | nsadmin: ok ok, i'll stfu |
| 02:19.03 | nsadmin | LtL, no, go on... I thougth you were burning! |
| 02:19.13 | tryy3 | LtL my desktop came with windows 7 so i dont got a installation disk but i did that manufaction backup thingy but the disks is at my dad and i dont wanna wait a whole week to get them :S |
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| 02:20.36 | LtL | tryy3: depends if the installer created a backup partition, then you'd have seen two ntfs partitions. not sure how your disk will work. i would still do the debian fix |
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| 02:21.48 | tryy3 | LtL well i got a debian LiveCD in the desktop now and i can only see 1 ntfs if i got my external hdd in if i plug it out i cant see any |
| 02:22.00 | LtL | tryy3: a system builers disk would give you a repait or install option, repair and a fixmbr would make w7 boot |
| 02:22.05 | nsadmin | LtL, absolutely go for it... it sounds like you had to go thru this... when tryy3 said "<tryy3> LtL burning atm :D", I thougth you were on fire! |
| 02:22.07 | LtL | *builders |
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| 02:22.52 | tryy3 | LtL what you mean? |
| 02:23.11 | LtL | nsadmin: ah, ok. actually if he does the debian fix i wish you would help :) ya know, the boot=init/bin/sh |
| 02:23.15 | LtL | way |
| 02:23.53 | LtL | tryy3: thing is who installed your win7 and with what, a factory install? |
| 02:24.12 | tryy3 | LtL ye a factory |
| 02:24.55 | LtL | tryy3: if you installed with the actual system builder disk it may be simple, if its on a recovery partition,, good luck never did it that way |
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| 02:25.27 | LtL | tryy3: boot it , see what the options are, risk is you may destroy your data |
| 02:25.41 | tryy3 | LtL i dont think there came any system builder disk, i only got a backup from first day but those disks are at my dad |
| 02:26.04 | LtL | tryy3: if you fix debian, win7 is there, im nearly certain |
| 02:26.28 | tryy3 | LtL k then i go with debian fix first then... |
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| 02:28.38 | nsadmin | LtL, so far as I remember, I think maybe what it was, I had the nv mobo and when I had the free driver (nv) things worked with xen but when I tried (one of many maybe?) the nvidia proprietary/closed-source driver, xen with that didn't work (and I don't remember the details or what a more detailed version of "didn't work" was at that time) |
| 02:28.52 | abrotman | wrong person ... |
| 02:29.17 | nsadmin | what I may be able to do is help to troubleshoot |
| 02:29.19 | LtL | tryy3: get to the grub menu, edit the boot line to say init=/bin/sh |
| 02:29.22 | ItzExor | i have debian installed dual boot and my ntfs drives always show up in fdisk -l |
| 02:29.43 | tryy3 | LtL ok iam at GNU GRUB ... with the options debian GNU/Linux ... and Debian GNU/Linux.... (recovery mode) |
| 02:29.59 | LtL | ItzExor: why more than one ntfs is the question? |
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| 02:30.18 | LtL | ItzExor: im guessing its the recovery factory backup |
| 02:30.24 | ItzExor | win7 creates a 100mb boot partition by default |
| 02:30.37 | LtL | ItzExor: ah, ok |
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| 02:31.08 | LtL | tryy3: recovery, but its read-only, now you need some pro advice |
| 02:31.10 | tryy3 | LtL with boot line do you mean linux /boot.... ? |
| 02:31.28 | tryy3 | oh recovery oh |
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| 02:31.45 | LtL | tryy3: just use recovery, that'll be console |
| 02:32.12 | tryy3 | LtL ok, so press e on recovery? what line was iam supposed to edit? |
| 02:32.43 | LtL | tryy3: no just down arrow to recovery entry and smash enter |
| 02:32.52 | tryy3 | oh ok |
| 02:33.17 | LtL | now I need help.... help |
| 02:33.17 | tryy3 | LtL k now its booting... |
| 02:33.29 | dvs | hulk smash enter? |
| 02:34.04 | LtL | dvs: i find 'smash enter' very descriptive ;) |
| 02:34.35 | KsM | step 1) take fist // step 2) locate enter // step 3) SMASH. |
| 02:34.48 | LtL | tryy3: i havent been in recovery mode since years so im kinda lost |
| 02:34.58 | nsadmin | no, not hulk smash... tinkerbell smash! |
| 02:35.17 | LtL | tryy3: see if the filesystem is read-only |
| 02:35.29 | tryy3 | LtL ok its still booting |
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| 02:35.40 | LtL | tryy3: if it is, you got steps to take which i forget |
| 02:35.53 | KsM | what is tryy3 trying to do by the way? |
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| 02:35.56 | stonerfish | If it fixes itself, do a reboot atleast 2 or three times to complete fix |
| 02:35.59 | nsadmin | is osprober installed? |
| 02:36.03 | stonerfish | Winders is wierd |
| 02:36.31 | LtL | KsM: get a working debian with win7 recognized and no black screen entering gui nome |
| 02:36.35 | LtL | gnome |
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| 02:37.27 | stonerfish | never mind. I re-read and see you are not booting into window to fix it. |
| 02:37.31 | LtL | tryy3: try /usr/bin/os-prober |
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| 02:37.56 | tryy3 | LtL i dont think i an type anything yet... |
| 02:38.40 | LtL | stonerfish: yeah we'd like to not go the windows route but save it just for kicks and data, no sarcasm :) |
| 02:39.04 | LtL | tryy3: wait, debian does not like your hardware |
| 02:39.13 | LtL | tryy3: patience |
| 02:39.27 | tryy3 | LtL already figure out that |
| 02:39.58 | stonerfish | I am saving my winders 7 partition. When I run out of space, I will wipe it. |
| 02:40.04 | LtL | tryy3: you've been at this all day right? |
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| 02:40.36 | LtL | stonerfish: i figure i payed for w7 i might as well keep it, but this box is strictly deb |
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| 02:40.48 | tryy3 | LtL sorta i been playing tf2 for a few hours before but otherwise ye |
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| 02:41.14 | LtL | tryy3: do you have a funky win7 keyboard maybe? |
| 02:41.18 | stonerfish | Same here. I kept it because I paid for it. But I don't use it. |
| 02:41.29 | tryy3 | LtL funky? |
| 02:41.33 | LtL | stonerfish: likewise |
| 02:42.00 | LtL | tryy3: yeah, extra wiz-bang keys like web browser, email etc |
| 02:42.07 | tryy3 | i just want win7 so that if my lappy breaks i can boot win 7 to play games :D |
| 02:42.23 | nsadmin | I'd like a kbd with nice key actions |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | tryy3: so X doesn't work? you can't mount NTFS? have you made any progress ? |
| 02:42.34 | LtL | thats all its good for imo, music is good too |
| 02:42.35 | tryy3 | LtL possibly |
| 02:42.47 | nsadmin | when you press keys, they don't bind from plastic |
| 02:42.48 | tryy3 | abrotman i got a liveCD working? :P |
| 02:42.57 | LtL | tryy3: still booting recovery? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | tryy3: i'm being serious |
| 02:43.03 | tryy3 | LtL yep |
| 02:43.15 | tryy3 | abrotman iam being serious too |
| 02:43.18 | LtL | tryy3: hdd light thrashing? |
| 02:43.29 | tryy3 | LtL ok now it went black... |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | tryy3: but you still haven't mounted your NTFS? or gotten X ? |
| 02:43.39 | LtL | tryy3: cursor? |
| 02:43.46 | tryy3 | LtL huh? hdd light trashing whats that? |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | tHrashing |
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| 02:44.04 | tryy3 | abrotman correct or well X worked on liveCD but normal no |
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| 02:44.06 | LtL | tryy3: an LED on most cases/boxes |
| 02:44.09 | tryy3 | LtL not yet |
| 02:44.12 | nsadmin | tryy3, press shift key to see if it's the screen saver |
| 02:44.22 | stonerfish | I do boot into winders once in a while. I haven't figured out how to watch |
| 02:44.23 | stonerfish | http://gardengrove.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=3&clip_id=804 |
| 02:44.23 | stonerfish | on debian. Any pointers? |
| 02:44.29 | tryy3 | LtL dont think i got any of that only a led on the boot button |
| 02:44.38 | tryy3 | nsadmin ok hold on |
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| 02:44.53 | LtL | tryy3: can you hear the drive thrashing |
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| 02:45.19 | LtL | recovery mode shouldnt take so long |
| 02:45.34 | tryy3 | LtL hold on gonna turn off my fan |
| 02:45.55 | stonerfish | yell in it first for the sound effects |
| 02:45.58 | LtL | tryy3: not the case or cpu fan i trust |
| 02:46.02 | tryy3 | nsadmin now it went out of black screen and gave me something with keymap |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | stonerfish: works just fine here |
| 02:46.14 | LtL | progress! |
| 02:46.27 | stonerfish | You get the video? |
| 02:46.28 | tryy3 | LtL no just an external fan |
| 02:46.34 | nsadmin | tryy3, as soon as you hit shift? that's probably the screensaver |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | stonerfish: yeah, some guy with a big beard talking |
| 02:46.40 | tryy3 | LtL but it says done and not much more atm |
| 02:46.46 | tryy3 | nsadmin ok |
| 02:46.49 | stonerfish | I get a picture saying I need windows media player. |
| 02:47.30 | nsadmin | tryy3, it's normal for it to blank the screen after a short period of no user activity |
| 02:47.34 | tryy3 | progress |
| 02:47.42 | tryy3 | iam on a terminal now |
| 02:47.50 | LtL | tryy3: yay! |
| 02:47.50 | tryy3 | i think.... |
| 02:47.54 | stonerfish | abrotman: Using firefox? |
| 02:48.08 | LtL | type something |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | in this case, epiphany |
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| 02:49.02 | tryy3 | i dont think debian likes my keyboard but i can type stuff now |
| 02:49.12 | tryy3 | and iam logged in as root |
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| 02:50.46 | abrotman | stonerfish: mozplugger might help you ? |
| 02:50.54 | LtL | tryy3: try /usr/bin/os-prober |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | stonerfish: i'm also showing totem and vlc plugins |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | totem probably implies gstreamer |
| 02:51.43 | tryy3 | LtL just type that out or cd there? |
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| 02:52.06 | LtL | tryy3: hopefully it says, 'found windows 7' type it |
| 02:52.14 | minty-dio | OK. I installed debian squeeze. Having issues with alsa. Spent hours reading about it but haven't made any progress. My sound hardware works fine in other distros. It appears that alsa is trying to use the hdmi-audio instead of the hda. Anyone got a solution or even some useful how-to page? |
| 02:52.33 | LtL | tryy3: type, /usr/bin/os-prober yes smash enter then. |
| 02:53.21 | stonerfish | Yeah I have totem totem-mozilla mozplugger, vlc installed |
| 02:53.50 | tryy3 | LtL 'bash: /usr/bin/os-prober: No such file or directory' |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | stonerfish: also, flash |
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| 02:55.13 | LtL | tryy3: do you have net? type ping google.com |
| 02:55.19 | LtL | tryy3: do you have net? type ping -c 5 google.com |
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| 02:55.52 | abrotman | stonerfish: http://paste.debian.net/197937/ |
| 02:55.58 | tryy3 | LtL 'ping: unkown host google.com' |
| 02:56.08 | LtL | tryy3: ugh |
| 02:56.17 | abrotman | stonerfish: that's my 'about:plugins' |
| 02:56.24 | LtL | tryy3: type ip addr |
| 02:56.37 | LtL | tryy3: whats the ip after eth0 |
| 02:57.05 | stonerfish | thanks. |
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| 02:57.54 | tryy3 | LtL 2: eth0: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdis noop state DOWN qlen 1000 link/ether c8:9c:dc:d1:bd:5f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 02:57.59 | LtL | tryy3: what all did you install when you installed debian, did you configure net etc. i recall seeing alot of udev errors earlier today |
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| 02:58.33 | tryy3 | LtL if i remember correctly i had some trouble with it and i think i might skipped that part |
| 02:58.38 | LtL | tryy3: type ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 03:00.35 | tryy3 | LtL '.... eth0: link down ' '... eth0: link is not ready' |
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| 03:01.04 | LtL | tryy3: ok, you need to config networking |
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| 03:01.21 | LtL | *sigh* |
| 03:01.35 | tryy3 | LtL and how do i do that :S |
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| 03:02.46 | LtL | tryy3: type ifconfig ... does it show Link encap:Local Loopback address 127.0.0.1 |
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| 03:03.04 | tryy3 | LtL yep |
| 03:04.06 | LtL | tryy3: k, whew, this isn't my forte. you need a /etc/network/interface file edit and nameserver(s) |
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| 03:06.41 | LtL | tryy3: type 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' what does it say, should only be loopback at the moment |
| 03:06.50 | LtL | tryy3: no quotes] |
| 03:07.28 | tryy3 | LtL 'auto lo iface lo inet loopback' |
| 03:07.38 | LtL | tryy3: thats all right |
| 03:08.52 | tryy3 | LtL now? |
| 03:09.11 | LtL | tryy3: i would rather re-install than do this, but thats me |
| 03:09.23 | LtL | tryy3: yeah thats all its gonna say |
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| 03:10.03 | tryy3 | LtL will i 'possibly' able to access w7 files if i do re-install? |
| 03:10.27 | LtL | tryy3: you could mount it now maybe |
| 03:10.41 | LtL | tryy3: fdisk -l |
| 03:11.14 | tryy3 | LtL nope nothing there, only debian stuff |
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| 03:11.31 | LtL | tryy3: no ntfs partition? |
| 03:12.17 | tryy3 | LtL nope |
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| 03:13.24 | LtL | tryy3: thats seems odd, you can re-install but i'm not sure if auto-partitioning wont destroy win7, you might need guided install. |
| 03:13.25 | redwarriors25 | how to see my active eth0 |
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| 03:13.27 | redwarriors25 | how to see my active eth |
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| 03:13.44 | LtL | redwarriors25: ip addr show eth0 |
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| 03:14.16 | tryy3 | LtL should i maybe try with W7 disk? |
| 03:14.29 | LtL | tryy3: hrm, i don't see why ntfs doesnt show up |
| 03:14.43 | redwarriors25 | i inserted other lan card |
| 03:14.59 | redwarriors25 | how to activate the one ive inserted lan |
| 03:15.23 | tryy3 | LtL gonna do 1 last test |
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| 03:15.59 | LtL | tryy3: if i were you i would boot gparted, erase everything EXCEPT NTFS, reboot and boot debian install disk and say use un-allocated space |
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| 03:16.30 | tryy3 | LtL gonna test nomodeset 1 last time otherwise i do that |
| 03:16.35 | LtL | tryy3: otherwise you have some editting to do, at the minumum |
| 03:17.57 | LtL | tryy3: do that |
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| 03:18.34 | stonerfish | abrotman: How did you get the text of your plugins. Copy and past of about:plugins, or is there a command line option? |
| 03:18.43 | tryy3 | LtL gonna go grab some night breakfest as this will boot for a while... |
| 03:18.52 | LtL | tryy3: ok |
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| 03:19.52 | tryy3 | LtL its 5am here so i start get hungry ^_^ |
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| 03:21.34 | LtL | tryy3: me too, i'll have a steak thanks :) oh and some beers |
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| 03:24.16 | tryy3 | LtL lol at 5am? isn't that kinda early for a beer? |
| 03:24.52 | ItzExor | 8:24pm in california |
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| 03:25.17 | LtL | tryy3: it's 22:25 hours hee |
| 03:25.28 | tryy3 | LtL oh :P 5on morning for me |
| 03:25.47 | LtL | tryy3: go eat something |
| 03:25.55 | tryy3 | i did :P |
| 03:26.13 | LtL | tryy3: what kind of NIC does this box have |
| 03:26.31 | tryy3 | LtL whats NIC ? |
| 03:26.49 | LtL | tryy3: factory on-board netwwork interface? |
| 03:27.24 | LtL | tryy3: describe your equipment abit |
| 03:27.59 | LtL | tryy3: those udev errors i saw hours ago didnt look good |
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| 03:29.00 | LtL | tryy3: is the network card built in, or plugin |
| 03:29.21 | LtL | tryy3: any info would help |
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| 03:29.52 | tryy3 | LtL oh, ehum some AMD processor quad core, 3ghz (i belive), motherboard unkown, nvidia gtx 550ti, 16gb ram 1333mhz, and for keyboard its a ehum... acer (came with the computer) same with mouse, and its a predator g3120 acer |
| 03:30.17 | tryy3 | LtL i might got a network card inbuilt but i doubt it, so plugin :D |
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| 03:31.10 | sney | tryy3: if you do the command 'lspci -nn' and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ and link here, that'll be all the needed information |
| 03:31.23 | LtL | tryy3: you mean your cable plugs into the back of the box.. yes? |
| 03:32.00 | simonlnu | probably built-in |
| 03:32.15 | LtL | sney: i shoulda had him do that earlier but we're not that far yet |
| 03:32.43 | sney | wildly guessing at what the nic is based on whether it's a pci card or onboard is not very productive, though |
| 03:32.47 | LtL | tryy3: acer, ok enough info |
| 03:33.07 | LtL | tryy3: why did you skip networking on install |
| 03:33.20 | tryy3 | LtL k, i can probly get you more info if needed |
| 03:33.28 | tryy3 | LtL cuz i had some error |
| 03:33.43 | tryy3 | LtL btw, nomodeset gave me black screen and now i nothing works |
| 03:33.46 | simonlnu | gives LtL a few question marks |
| 03:33.58 | tryy3 | i take that back... i pressed shift and now stuff happens again |
| 03:34.22 | simonlnu | dpms kicks in right away, it seems |
| 03:35.15 | LtL | simonlnu: and fast! |
| 03:35.53 | LtL | tryy3: did you install a desktop, like gnome etc |
| 03:36.25 | tryy3 | LtL i dont know, if there was an option for that then possibly |
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| 03:36.52 | LtL | tryy3: is this your first linux |
| 03:36.52 | simonlnu | probaby took the defaults. which is desktop task |
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| 03:37.16 | simonlnu | kde, gnome, xfce IIRC |
| 03:37.47 | LtL | i think he mentioned gnome earlier, not sure |
| 03:38.00 | simonlnu | defaults to gnome, wheezy it's gonna be xfce |
| 03:38.13 | tryy3 | LtL i had wubi/ubuntu before had problem with x server there too was gonna reinstall with a cd so i decided to go with debian instead |
| 03:38.19 | simonlnu | probably* |
| 03:38.28 | LtL | a screenshot/camera showed lots of udev unrecognized hardware |
| 03:38.41 | simonlnu | new box? |
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| 03:39.11 | tryy3 | simonlnu kinda i have having this desktop for about 4-5month or so (used W7 before) |
| 03:39.12 | LtL | simonlnu: new win7 i think |
| 03:39.48 | simonlnu | pretty new still then. hmm, newer kernel + udev perhaps, might help |
| 03:40.16 | LtL | simonlnu: i think so but we need a console a network would be cool |
| 03:40.28 | simonlnu | squeeze is showing its age ;). yes, indeed. |
| 03:40.29 | tryy3 | it been saying 'Starting ACPI services...' for a few min now -.- |
| 03:40.58 | tryy3 | maybe i just should reinstall instead -.- |
| 03:40.59 | LtL | tryy3: you could try noacpi on the boot line tryy3 |
| 03:41.17 | tryy3 | LtL i dont wanna sit here for 30min again ^_^ |
| 03:41.21 | stonerfish | thanks abrotman. I installed moonlight and still no good. So I cleared my cookies, and now I get the videos. Maybe I will never need to run winders again. |
| 03:41.25 | simonlnu | reinstalling won't help anything |
| 03:41.35 | LtL | tryy3: i think i would attempt a clean, no skipping steps install |
| 03:41.55 | tryy3 | simonlnu it will fix the internet problem |
| 03:41.56 | simonlnu | hm, for that, maybe. |
| 03:42.01 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 03:42.05 | LtL | simonlnu: you're probably right |
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| 03:42.40 | tryy3 | LtL just gonna find the installation disk again... got like 5 disks i burned today due to this :S |
| 03:42.52 | LtL | tryy3: maybe, if you skipped networking...that would help, but we can establish that |
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| 03:43.16 | simonlnu | get around that acpi ;) |
| 03:43.19 | LtL | tryy3: i dont wanna fry your win7 though |
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| 03:43.54 | LtL | tryy3: edit boot, nomodeset noacpi |
| 03:44.16 | tryy3 | LtL k gonna try that |
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| 03:44.22 | simonlnu | if he does decide to reinstall, booting with nomodeset noacpi will probably help a lot |
| 03:44.27 | simonlnu | or that |
| 03:44.31 | LtL | tryy3: its the safe play i think |
| 03:45.01 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 03:45.05 | LtL | simonlnu: why would ntfs not show up in a recovery mode fdisk? |
| 03:45.18 | simonlnu | for sure. at least he'll get things working better. win7 probably has some sup3r s3cr37 acpi hacks for that box... |
| 03:45.30 | simonlnu | unloaded driver? |
| 03:45.48 | simonlnu | no support for partition type? |
| 03:45.49 | LtL | simonlnu: must be |
| 03:46.20 | tryy3 | k loading |
| 03:46.50 | simonlnu | latter doesn't make sense... ignore that. |
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| 03:48.08 | LtL | i neeed food brb |
| 03:49.44 | LtL | tryy3: curious, what debian install media did you use |
| 03:50.54 | tryy3 | LtL cant remember if i took linuxmint-201204-xfce-dvd-64bit.iso or debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 03:52.36 | LtL | tryy3: big difference dude |
| 03:52.50 | tryy3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.01 | tryy3 | btw i got to a terminal now |
| 03:53.16 | LtL | tryy3: debian 6.0.6 is what you want |
| 03:53.30 | tryy3 | LtL netinst? |
| 03:53.39 | KsM | What would be the 'correct' subpixel order to use on a typical laptop lcd monitor |
| 03:53.51 | LtL | tryy3: /sbin/ifconfig see if eth0 is there |
| 03:54.32 | tryy3 | LtL cant see any |
| 03:54.36 | LtL | tryy3: i dont use netinstall, many do |
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| 03:55.07 | LtL | tryy3: are you root |
| 03:55.13 | tryy3 | LtL yes |
| 03:55.36 | nsadmin | try ifconfig -a |
| 03:55.45 | nsadmin | just to see if anything's there |
| 03:56.11 | tryy3 | nsadmin there is a eth0 there |
| 03:56.18 | nsadmin | no output from ifconfig (without -a) means no configuration there) |
| 03:56.21 | tryy3 | 'Link encap: Ethernet' |
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| 03:56.58 | tryy3 | on ifconfig there is only lo |
| 03:57.09 | nsadmin | so it's not up... what's your current situation? are you installing, or done installing and rebooted in, or something else? |
| 03:57.20 | LtL | tryy3: ok go here http://paste.debian.net/197946/ |
| 03:57.47 | tryy3 | LtL where should i type that? |
| 03:58.00 | LtL | tryy3: then, nano /etc/network/interfaces fill it in |
| 03:58.23 | LtL | tryy3: i assume youre using dhcp addressing |
| 03:58.24 | tryy3 | nsadmin i done installation many hours ago, no reinstallation yet, but i rebooted with nomodetset and noasci and iam in a terminal |
| 03:58.41 | tryy3 | LtL idk what is dhcp? |
| 03:59.20 | LtL | tryy3: dynamic host control protocol, you are likely using it, you using a router per chance? |
| 03:59.23 | simonlnu | gets an ip address from a kind of server |
| 03:59.46 | tryy3 | LtL ye a router |
| 04:00.54 | LtL | tryy3: type that file in, no typo's, then ctrl+x to save/close i think |
| 04:01.33 | tryy3 | LtL k #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp is that line even correct? |
| 04:02.07 | LtL | tryy3: thats commented/ignored you can skip that |
| 04:02.19 | nsadmin | tryy3, ok... once you get a connection from dhcp, try something like ping yahoo.com , which will tell you if you're all the way up |
| 04:02.21 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
| 04:02.35 | LtL | tryy3: now we need a nameserver |
| 04:02.53 | LtL | tryy3: nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:02.56 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
| 04:03.13 | tryy3 | LtL done |
| 04:03.21 | LtL | tryy3: type in: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:03.37 | tryy3 | LtL done |
| 04:03.48 | LtL | tryy3: can i have that beer now :) |
| 04:03.50 | LtL | j/k |
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| 04:04.01 | tryy3 | LtL i dont got any beer... iam 15 :P |
| 04:04.06 | LtL | tryy3: ok as root, /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:04.37 | tryy3 | LtL didn't print anything |
| 04:04.53 | LtL | tryy3: ping -c 5 google.com |
| 04:05.10 | tryy3 | LtL nope :S |
| 04:05.14 | LtL | tryy3: if it answers, epic win |
| 04:05.17 | LtL | shit |
| 04:06.03 | LtL | tryy3: /usr/bin/lspci -nn |grep -i ethernet #paste the ONE line here |
| 04:06.23 | LtL | tryy3: actually i just need the hex pci id number |
| 04:06.38 | LtL | tryy3: its in brackets |
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| 04:07.21 | tryy3 | LtL 10ec:8168 ? |
| 04:07.45 | tryy3 | LtL or is it 0200? |
| 04:07.47 | LtL | ok type this too, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 04:08.09 | LtL | , pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 04:08.10 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 04:08.43 | LtL | tryy3: lsmod |grep r8169 |
| 04:08.44 | tryy3 | still nothing |
| 04:08.47 | tryy3 | k |
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| 04:09.32 | tryy3 | LtL 'r8169 36840 0' 'mii 3210 1 r8169' |
| 04:09.43 | LtL | tryy3: good |
| 04:09.57 | LtL | tryy3: ping -c 5 google.com |
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| 04:10.13 | tryy3 | unkown google.com... |
| 04:10.27 | tryy3 | 1 progress atleast... |
| 04:10.34 | tryy3 | i did ifconfig and eth0 shows up there |
| 04:10.38 | LtL | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 04:10.46 | LtL | then up |
| 04:11.10 | tryy3 | still nothing |
| 04:11.18 | LtL | no address |
| 04:11.41 | tryy3 | LtL nope 'eth0 link encap: Ethernet' |
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| 04:12.13 | LtL | tryy3: cat /etc/hosts whats it say |
| 04:12.23 | nsadmin | are you trying to find his wireless? |
| 04:12.38 | LtL | nsadmin: trying to just get an address |
| 04:12.55 | LtL | nsadmin: we're on a wire i believe |
| 04:12.55 | nsadmin | ik |
| 04:12.59 | nsadmin | err ok |
| 04:13.21 | LtL | nsadmin: i'm running out of clues rapidly |
| 04:13.28 | tryy3 | LtL iam on wireless... for the record :D |
| 04:13.41 | nsadmin | tryy3 yoy |
| 04:13.48 | tryy3 | 127.0.0.1 localhost, 127.0.1.1 Dennis |
| 04:14.04 | nsadmin | err as you're on the machine you're ircing from? |
| 04:14.11 | LtL | tryy3: thats two lines, should be fine |
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| 04:14.30 | tryy3 | LtL there is other but i didn't think they were important |
| 04:14.43 | LtL | tryy3: the debian box is wireless ? |
| 04:14.53 | tryy3 | LtL as they aren't ips |
| 04:14.58 | LtL | tryy3: yeah ipv6 stuff |
| 04:15.00 | tryy3 | LtL yes its wireless |
| 04:15.16 | LtL | tryy3: ok, heres where im lost. |
| 04:15.23 | tryy3 | nsadmin iam ircing from my lappy and doing debian stuff on my desktop |
| 04:15.29 | em | does debian have multicore support? |
| 04:15.36 | tryy3 | LtL what you mean? |
| 04:16.00 | LtL | tryy3: without network manager i dont know wifi configuring |
| 04:16.11 | em | LtL: no one does |
| 04:16.18 | tryy3 | LtL :S so iam kinda locked out? |
| 04:16.26 | LtL | tryy3: like i would neeed google |
| 04:16.51 | LtL | tryy3: no, youre close, we need some help is all |
| 04:16.51 | tryy3 | LtL oh |
| 04:18.12 | tryy3 | i hope someone that knows wifi configuration comes on soon then... |
| 04:18.23 | nsadmin | what can we call the machine you're ircing from? |
| 04:18.36 | tryy3 | nsadmin a lappy |
| 04:18.58 | nsadmin | and the machine you installed debian onto? |
| 04:19.07 | tryy3 | nsadmin a desktop |
| 04:19.39 | nsadmin | lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 04:20.00 | nsadmin | should -probably- get two lines... yes? |
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| 04:21.01 | LtL | tryy3: and im not on wifi at the moment, you'll see a wlan in ifconfig when we get there |
| 04:21.14 | nsadmin | you should see these things (one in each line) that looks like [abcd:ef01] |
| 04:21.27 | tryy3 | LtL K |
| 04:21.58 | tryy3 | nsadmin YE 10EC:8168 |
| 04:22.02 | tryy3 | sry cap :P |
| 04:22.12 | tryy3 | caps* |
| 04:22.16 | nsadmin | , pciid 10EC:8168 |
| 04:22.17 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 04:22.28 | nsadmin | ok, that's the wired one |
| 04:22.45 | LtL | tryy3: i dont suppose you can plug in a wire, i think you'll need a package, wpasupplicant |
| 04:22.52 | tryy3 | should i try unplug and plug the wireless? |
| 04:23.04 | tryy3 | LtL no sorry i cant ;( |
| 04:23.12 | nsadmin | what firmware package would that card need? |
| 04:23.45 | LtL | nsadmin: no clue, realtek i imagime |
| 04:24.04 | LtL | err thats the wired |
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| 04:24.36 | nsadmin | firmware-realtek is the firmware package for that |
| 04:25.02 | LtL | nsadmin: then thats two packages he needs atleast right |
| 04:25.14 | tryy3 | with wired, do you mean a inbuilt internet card that will activate when you run with wire? |
| 04:25.19 | nsadmin | oh, the wpa? |
| 04:25.34 | LtL | tryy3: yes a cable from box to router |
| 04:25.43 | nsadmin | well we may have to configure it but basically yes |
| 04:25.51 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok, well i cant get an wire ;( |
| 04:26.05 | LtL | tryy3: cool! wire it up |
| 04:26.18 | tryy3 | LtL read that sentence again... |
| 04:26.20 | LtL | tryy3: then we grab the packages |
| 04:26.32 | LtL | tryy3: oh, sorry. |
| 04:26.51 | nsadmin | so we have at the moment a catch22 |
| 04:27.03 | LtL | tryy3: well burn the packages on a cd transfer the dpkg -i package |
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| 04:27.20 | tryy3 | was about to ask if that was possibly lol |
| 04:27.23 | nsadmin | there's something called apt-offline |
| 04:27.28 | LtL | s/the/then |
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| 04:28.19 | tryy3 | nsadmin will that work? |
| 04:28.52 | nsadmin | is your wireless router presently unsecured? |
| 04:29.08 | tryy3 | nsadmin nope it got a key |
| 04:29.11 | LtL | tryy3: ive never seen a desktop with no wired interface :( |
| 04:29.40 | em | Does this seem wrong to anyone -- Android uses a linux kernel but I cannot take the SD card out of my Android Phone and put it into my Linux Desktop and read it. |
| 04:29.41 | nsadmin | he does have a wired interface, but something about not being able to cable |
| 04:29.50 | em | it is like an unknown format |
| 04:29.52 | tryy3 | LtL gz to my world... tonight i probly succed with alot of stuff that people thought was impossible lol |
| 04:30.03 | LtL | nsadmin: ah |
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| 04:30.15 | nsadmin | em, the sd card is probably in vfat |
| 04:30.34 | em | nsadmin: perhaps. but shouldn't linux be able to read vfat? |
| 04:30.41 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:31.00 | LtL | tryy3: well if you can grab those two packages on your present machine, burn then to a cd and copy to the debian box we may be in business |
| 04:31.08 | nsadmin | a driver you'd insert (vfat) would |
| 04:31.14 | LtL | em: sure it can |
| 04:31.26 | nsadmin | or, do you have a usb storage device |
| 04:31.32 | tryy3 | LtL ok gonna find them on internet |
| 04:31.48 | LtL | tryy3: packages.debian.net i think |
| 04:32.06 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 04:32.16 | em | i dunno. I have a micro SD card in my phone. I put it into the little SD card adapter thing and stick it into my laptop and then i get a message saying like, "linux has no .. something.. to read this format' |
| 04:32.21 | tryy3 | LtL 'Sorry, down for maintenance' |
| 04:32.36 | LtL | yeah, seen that. |
| 04:32.48 | LtL | first time ive ever seen that |
| 04:32.54 | tryy3 | LtL lol |
| 04:33.26 | tryy3 | LtL and debian.net is loading slow... |
| 04:33.34 | tryy3 | LtL maybe its down too |
| 04:33.43 | tryy3 | LtL nvm it just loaded kinda slow |
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| 04:33.46 | LtL | tryy3: if i had them you could scp from me but i dont have them |
| 04:34.01 | nsadmin | debian.net is a lot of separate and indep machines |
| 04:34.02 | tryy3 | LtL aw |
| 04:34.12 | LtL | tryy3: even from windows |
| 04:34.29 | tryy3 | LtL cant you do apt-get on them? |
| 04:34.51 | LtL | tryy3: yes, actually i could but theyre offline |
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| 04:35.08 | tryy3 | oh even apt-get? |
| 04:35.09 | LtL | tryy3: nm, the repos should be up |
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| 04:35.20 | LtL | tryy3: let me look |
| 04:35.31 | nsadmin | what's the issue with the cable? is it just that you don't have an extra? |
| 04:35.36 | tryy3 | LtL i was hoping it would be only the page ^_^ |
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| 04:37.13 | tryy3 | nsadmin i live in a house that they sort of made into 2 'story house' so my family lives on the top floor then we got a family in the middle (owner of the house) and its the owners that got the internet and i dont know where they got router and if i would wanna draw a wire i would need a long one |
| 04:39.59 | nsadmin | tryy3, ok.. so when you did the "lspci -nn | grep -i net" before, did you get one line or two? |
| 04:39.59 | tryy3 | LtL the page is now up :D |
| 04:40.33 | tryy3 | nsadmin well technically 1 line |
| 04:40.41 | tryy3 | ignore that techniaclly :D |
| 04:41.16 | nsadmin | hmm. so, you have only the ethernet card on the pci bus |
| 04:41.38 | nsadmin | is the wireless a usb? |
| 04:41.44 | tryy3 | nsadmin yep |
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| 04:42.05 | nsadmin | ok, that explains that ;) |
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| 04:42.57 | tryy3 | nsadmin if it helps, all my usb is 2.0 (i got usb outputs for 3.0 but i dont got any usb 3.0 stuff) |
| 04:43.11 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:43.16 | LtL | tryy3: working, got the files |
| 04:43.38 | tryy3 | LtL k you know the page is up btw? |
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| 04:44.21 | LtL | tryy3: no but i have realtek and wpa debs already |
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| 04:44.33 | LtL | tryy3: hang on |
| 04:44.38 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 04:44.51 | nsadmin | you could try the apt-offline thing... it could be helpful to know what packages are needed... I think it outputs a wget script |
| 04:45.11 | LtL | tryy3: you want hem ftp or scp |
| 04:45.15 | tryy3 | nsadmin what am i supposed to type then? |
| 04:45.29 | tryy3 | LtL dont know what scp is so ftp :D |
| 04:45.36 | LtL | sec |
| 04:45.52 | nsadmin | he would give you the apt-offline package, then you would install it, and each of you (and myself) would read the docs to see what to do |
| 04:46.10 | tryy3 | nsadmin oh |
| 04:46.37 | nsadmin | which also needs the package python-argparse |
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| 04:49.41 | nsadmin | , depends python-argparse |
| 04:49.42 | judd | Package python-argparse in squeeze/i386 -- depends: python (>= 2.4), python-support (>= 0.90.0). |
| 04:50.00 | nsadmin | and those two packages |
| 04:50.10 | tryy3 | that bot, is amazing :D |
| 04:50.51 | nsadmin | it connects to the UDD |
| 04:51.33 | tryy3 | nsadmin what is UDD? |
| 04:52.00 | nsadmin | judd, udd |
| 04:52.09 | nsadmin | dpkg, udd |
| 04:52.10 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 04:52.45 | tryy3 | oh |
| 04:53.32 | LtL | tryy3: pm you? |
| 04:53.43 | tryy3 | LtL haven't got any pm yet |
| 04:54.02 | nsadmin | it's still am for me |
| 04:54.12 | tryy3 | its 7am for me :D |
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| 04:55.36 | nsadmin | damn, that's 12 hours wasted! ya can't pm in the am! |
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| 04:55.51 | LtL | tryy3: auto-generated |
| 04:55.56 | LtL | shit |
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| 04:56.16 | tryy3 | 'Internal Server Error' |
| 04:56.39 | LtL | tryy3: it was easier to put it on my web host than forward a port, and i dont use a ftp server! |
| 04:56.57 | tryy3 | LtL ah k |
| 04:57.02 | LtL | ftp = evil telnet= even worse |
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| 04:57.11 | tryy3 | lol |
| 04:57.36 | nsadmin | the problem is any sniffing cracker can see all keystrokes |
| 04:58.05 | tryy3 | i dont know what keystrokers is and i doubt i ever gonna need to know :D |
| 04:58.08 | nsadmin | but telnet itself is actually a useful tool |
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| 04:58.43 | nsadmin | a keystroke is when you press a key on your keyboard |
| 04:58.46 | LtL | tryy3: to install just put them in home is fine, then dpkg -i packagename |
| 04:59.02 | LtL | tryy3: err, i forget youre in windows |
| 04:59.11 | tryy3 | nsadmin so like they can see if i type a password? |
| 04:59.12 | LtL | home is home i guess |
| 04:59.32 | tryy3 | LtL i put them anywhere i can remember :P |
| 04:59.43 | LtL | tryy3: 10-4 |
| 04:59.49 | tryy3 | iam still getting 'Internal Server Error' :D |
| 05:00.02 | nsadmin | filename actually :) (a debian package name can be extracted from a .deb filename by starting at the far left and going until you see _) |
| 05:00.17 | LtL | tryy3: really. let me check |
| 05:00.34 | tryy3 | nsadmin huh? |
| 05:01.23 | LtL | tryy3: i get right in |
| 05:01.36 | tryy3 | LtL :S |
| 05:02.35 | LtL | tryy3: they are small, want them zipped and mailed |
| 05:02.53 | LtL | the server works for sure |
| 05:03.08 | LtL | its your bloody window-ware ;) |
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| 05:03.37 | tryy3 | LtL :P |
| 05:03.41 | nsadmin | you can't see out of a bloody window! |
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| 05:03.51 | LtL | very smudgy |
| 05:04.06 | tryy3 | LtL i might typed wrong but i guess it should of said incorrect then :S |
| 05:04.17 | tryy3 | nsadmin but with out windows i cant play tf2 ;( |
| 05:05.01 | LtL | tryy3: try try again, if not i can mail em or you can grab putty |
| 05:05.22 | nsadmin | tryy3, here is the name of a debian package file: transmission-common_2.03-2_all.deb |
| 05:05.30 | nsadmin | just a random package... |
| 05:05.34 | LtL | tryy3: but i need to change your account for that |
| 05:05.38 | tryy3 | LtL only problem is i cant type again... i only get internal error thingy i dont get the login stuff |
| 05:05.56 | nsadmin | now, find the package name by starting from the left and moving right until you get to a _ |
| 05:06.01 | LtL | tryy3: disconnect |
| 05:06.12 | tryy3 | nsadmin why would i need that? |
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| 05:06.33 | tryy3 | LtL how am i supposed to disconnect? |
| 05:06.42 | nsadmin | you might need to (say) remove a package |
| 05:06.58 | LtL | tryy3: i dont know your software, just do over till it works |
| 05:07.07 | nsadmin | so what package is contained in that file? |
| 05:07.15 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 05:07.37 | tryy3 | relaunched chrom now i can login :D |
| 05:07.40 | tryy3 | lets test it again |
| 05:08.03 | LtL | tryy3: your nick my domain |
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| 05:08.54 | LtL | maybe it hasnt propagated yet, give it a minute if not |
| 05:08.59 | tryy3 | aha |
| 05:09.02 | tryy3 | i foudn the problem :D |
| 05:09.10 | tryy3 | i forgot the part ftp://... |
| 05:09.11 | tryy3 | :D |
| 05:09.27 | LtL | windows... |
| 05:09.29 | tryy3 | .deb files right? |
| 05:09.34 | LtL | yes |
| 05:09.34 | tryy3 | windows <3 |
| 05:09.46 | tryy3 | k there |
| 05:09.58 | tryy3 | now shuld i burn them or just move them to a disc? |
| 05:10.20 | LtL | tryy3: whatever you prefer, or works |
| 05:10.33 | tryy3 | i guess i test and hope on the best ^_^ |
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| 05:11.20 | LtL | tryy3: i dont think i ever ftp'd in a browser |
| 05:11.31 | tryy3 | first time here too |
| 05:11.41 | tryy3 | if you dont count a minecraft control panel ofc |
| 05:11.49 | tryy3 | but using ftp:// was my first time |
| 05:13.08 | LtL | I guess i have used a browser but its been eons |
| 05:13.24 | tryy3 | k :D |
| 05:13.36 | ag4ve | a while ago i had an apt.conf file with two APT:: lines in it that stopped all unnecessary "dependencies", any idea what i might be looking for? |
| 05:13.43 | LtL | i live in a cli world mostly |
| 05:14.20 | tryy3 | LtL i dont think browsers is that advanced for ftp either so you better of using a client for ftp :P |
| 05:14.21 | LtL | <-- brb |
| 05:14.39 | tryy3 | LtL only thing i dont with ftp on browser is to download |
| 05:15.15 | LtL | tryy3: windows has ftp in a dos box |
| 05:15.57 | LtL | tryy3: put puTTy on that machine so you can use scp protocol |
| 05:15.57 | tryy3 | LtL that means? |
| 05:16.06 | tryy3 | LtL i already got the files ^_^ |
| 05:16.27 | LtL | tryy3: ok, install each as root dpkg -i |
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| 05:16.45 | tryy3 | i haft to put them on a disc first... hold on |
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| 05:18.09 | tryy3 | i wont need to reboot with the disc right? |
| 05:18.32 | LtL | tryy3: no, and i hope they downloaded as binary |
| 05:18.53 | tryy3 | LtL k i hope that too |
| 05:19.59 | LtL | tryy3: scp = secure copy |
| 05:20.16 | tryy3 | hmm... do i haft to like cd there? |
| 05:20.38 | LtL | tryy3: yes or type the absolute path |
| 05:21.04 | tryy3 | hmm... |
| 05:21.09 | LtL | tryy3: then hope nsadmin is still awake :) |
| 05:21.12 | tryy3 | where does a disc get booted then? |
| 05:21.24 | LtL | tryy3: what disk |
| 05:21.32 | tryy3 | the disk with the files |
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| 05:22.07 | LtL | tryy3: copy the files from the disk to ~ ...home /home/yourusername |
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| 05:23.02 | LtL | tryy3: you have to find where your cdrom is mounted, you can probably install from the cdrom, never tried it |
| 05:23.30 | LtL | tryy3: probably /mnt/cdrom or /mnt/cdrom0 |
| 05:24.03 | LtL | tryy3: cp /mnt/cdrom/*deb ~ hit enter |
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| 05:24.10 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
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| 05:25.23 | tryy3 | i really need to get a english keyboard -.- |
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| 05:26.08 | LtL | tryy3: i would have guessed english is your first language |
| 05:26.25 | tryy3 | LtL nah swedish :D |
| 05:26.40 | tryy3 | LtL but i accidently picked english keyboard layout and i got a swedish keyboard :D |
| 05:26.42 | LtL | tryy3: you swedes are so smart i swear |
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| 05:27.06 | LtL | not kidding, known many |
| 05:27.19 | tryy3 | LtL btw 'cp: cannot stat '/mnt/cdrom/*deb ': No such file or directory' |
| 05:27.26 | tryy3 | LtL :P |
| 05:27.41 | LtL | tryy3: type mount see where its mounted |
| 05:28.00 | LtL | tryy3: you may have to mount it first |
| 05:28.20 | cardamon | apologies for asking a google question, but not X at the moment. how do I search for, to remove, any package containing a name? |
| 05:28.23 | tryy3 | dont think its in the list of mount |
| 05:28.28 | cardamon | s/not/no/ |
| 05:28.40 | LtL | tryy3: probably mount /dev/cdrom /mnt |
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| 05:30.00 | tryy3 | LtL ' Mount: blok devicd /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only ....' |
| 05:30.05 | tryy3 | should i burn instead :S |
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| 05:30.19 | LtL | tryy3: yeah |
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| 05:31.01 | tryy3 | LtL i probly gonna be out of cd's before i get any sleep lol |
| 05:31.03 | LtL | cardamon: aptitude search ^wpa for example just a regex |
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| 05:32.44 | LtL | tryy3: wait read only is fine just copy |
| 05:33.41 | LtL | tryy3: burns a drink coaster |
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| 05:33.56 | tryy3 | LtL so type /dev/cdrom instead of /mnt/cdrom ? |
| 05:34.18 | LtL | tryy3: copy from the mountpoint |
| 05:34.34 | LtL | tryy3: /mnt/whatever |
| 05:34.55 | tryy3 | LtL but mount failed didn't it? |
| 05:35.19 | LtL | tryy3: mounting read-only means you're good |
| 05:35.26 | tryy3 | oh |
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| 05:35.39 | LtL | tryy3: you will have to umount after |
| 05:36.42 | tryy3 | k there the files is copied |
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| 05:37.23 | tryy3 | LtL and unmount done |
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| 05:37.46 | LtL | epic, noe the fun begins |
| 05:37.51 | LtL | now |
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| 05:38.29 | LtL | tryy3: and i don't know how to do this part manually |
| 05:38.34 | tryy3 | LtL dpkg -i (filename) ? |
| 05:38.38 | LtL | yes |
| 05:38.49 | tryy3 | k installing firmware now |
| 05:38.58 | LtL | tryy3: by the way, be very careful as root. |
| 05:39.15 | tryy3 | LtL i dont understand what bad can happen as root |
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| 05:39.34 | LtL | tryy3: you are kidding right |
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| 05:40.12 | LtL | yes you are, and its past your bedtime :) |
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| 05:40.46 | tryy3 | LtL not kidding and ofc its past my bedtime its 8am :D |
| 05:41.14 | LtL | tryy3: being root is bad dangerous without caution |
| 05:41.38 | tryy3 | its not like i gonna delete the whole system... |
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| 05:42.14 | LtL | tryy3: you cant actually without an argument but you can still wreak havoc |
| 05:42.27 | tryy3 | oh... |
| 05:42.54 | tryy3 | well atm iam just installing stuff not deleting? |
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| 05:43.28 | LtL | tryy3: rule 1, never use root's name in vain. 2. be careful what you type, you just might get it. |
| 05:44.10 | tryy3 | k |
| 05:44.22 | tryy3 | i dont think i got a difrent account atm anyway |
| 05:44.51 | LtL | tryy3: no by default you don't |
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| 05:46.17 | tryy3 | firmware got installed with no errors |
| 05:46.27 | tryy3 | but wpasupplicant got errors :S |
| 05:46.40 | tryy3 | oh... |
| 05:46.44 | LtL | tryy3: what errors |
| 05:46.50 | tryy3 | i need other packages... |
| 05:47.11 | tryy3 | , depends wpasupplicant |
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| 05:47.12 | judd | Package wpasupplicant in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libnl1 (>= 1.1), libpcsclite1 (>= 1.5.5), libreadline6 (>= 6.0), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), adduser. |
| 05:47.16 | tryy3 | ... |
| 05:47.31 | LtL | tryy3: you should have them |
| 05:47.39 | LtL | or most |
| 05:48.21 | tryy3 | got error about this ones: libdbus-1-3, libn11, libpcsclite1 |
| 05:48.44 | LtL | tryy3: ok i'll get them |
| 05:49.16 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 05:52.06 | LtL | E: Can't find a package named "libn11 |
| 05:52.22 | LtL | that cant be good |
| 05:52.30 | tryy3 | :S |
| 05:52.36 | tryy3 | oh... |
| 05:52.38 | tryy3 | libnl1 |
| 05:52.44 | tryy3 | :P |
| 05:52.51 | tryy3 | libnl1 (>= 1.1) |
| 05:54.00 | LtL | i don't get that, cant find it |
| 05:54.09 | tryy3 | :S |
| 05:54.37 | tryy3 | even judd said it depends on it |
| 05:55.10 | ag4ve | i'm trying to setup apt pinning, and it's not having any affect. i've created an /etc/apt/preferences file with the pinnings copied from here: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 05:55.30 | LtL | tryy3: i have the others |
| 05:55.40 | ag4ve | i run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and get tons of stuff i don't get when i run apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade |
| 05:55.47 | LtL | tryy3: sure you typed it right |
| 05:55.57 | tryy3 | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libnl1 |
| 05:56.04 | tryy3 | ye check the message from judd |
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| 05:57.02 | LtL | tryy3: got it, one minute |
| 05:57.06 | tryy3 | k |
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| 05:59.11 | LtL | tryy3: i need full names |
| 05:59.26 | tryy3 | LtL full names of what? |
| 06:00.46 | LtL | the full filename..looking |
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| 06:01.04 | LtL | it said it d/l them but it didnt |
| 06:01.18 | tryy3 | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libnl1 |
| 06:01.23 | tryy3 | theres it |
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| 06:04.55 | LtL | ok, how many total |
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| 06:05.49 | LtL | tryy3: http://paste.debian.net/197969/ |
| 06:06.06 | LtL | tryy3: Thats what on your site |
| 06:06.24 | tryy3 | k |
| 06:06.33 | tryy3 | just gonna open that page again |
| 06:06.38 | LtL | i don't think i missed any |
| 06:06.55 | LtL | i used aptitude not the web |
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| 06:07.11 | tryy3 | LtL what you mean? |
| 06:08.01 | LtL | tryy3: i used the command line, except for libl1 |
| 06:08.38 | LtL | aptitude is another form of apt-get |
| 06:08.41 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok, but are they on your ftp page? |
| 06:08.49 | LtL | yes indeed |
| 06:08.55 | tryy3 | ah ok |
| 06:09.14 | LtL | so install those first then do the errored one |
| 06:09.24 | tryy3 | k |
| 06:09.30 | LtL | chills |
| 06:10.29 | LtL | tryy3: its 'your' site :) |
| 06:10.37 | LtL | i just own it |
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| 06:10.43 | tryy3 | LtL k cool :D |
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| 06:10.55 | LtL | hope this works |
| 06:11.12 | tryy3 | k there now its transfared to the disk now i gonna need to move to my desktop :D |
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| 06:11.48 | tryy3 | gonna run on wc quickly brb |
| 06:13.39 | tryy3 | bk |
| 06:14.03 | LtL | tryy3: when you have debian running, it will be worth the effort. |
| 06:14.24 | tryy3 | LtL i really hope so :D |
| 06:14.29 | vsMS12 | I'm creating a .deb that has to install a nm-system connection to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ The file must have a mode of 0166 but when I install the package the fileperms are rw r r I already use dh_fixperms in debian/rules but this does not help. Can someone help pls? |
| 06:14.47 | tryy3 | LtL i really gonna learn new ways to run a minecraft server later when i get everything working |
| 06:14.52 | tryy3 | like logrotate and stuff :D |
| 06:16.00 | LtL | tryy3: i've never had to install logrotate since early 2000, its just always there |
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| 06:16.36 | tryy3 | LtL oh well then set it up and stuff :P but logrotate was just an example :D |
| 06:17.36 | LtL | tryy3: you'll install a lot of stuff, avoid daemons you don't need or use |
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| 06:18.04 | tryy3 | LtL ye i will :P |
| 06:18.16 | LtL | tryy3: and disable stuff you don't want running, but definetly get openssh |
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| 06:18.54 | tryy3 | ok there i think it starting |
| 06:19.11 | LtL | client and server but block that port from the WAN unless you want thousands of chinese trying to hack your box :) |
| 06:19.12 | tryy3 | and ye i gonna get ftp and ssh as fast as possible so i can lay in my bed and not need to sit in this chair :D |
| 06:19.34 | tryy3 | LtL lol |
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| 06:19.47 | tryy3 | what is it with people and chinese hackers? :D |
| 06:19.48 | LtL | tryy3: avoid inbound ftp server, worthless when you have ssh/scp |
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| 06:20.07 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok |
| 06:20.40 | tryy3 | oh btw |
| 06:20.44 | tryy3 | all packages is installed now |
| 06:20.46 | LtL | tryy3: your /var/log/auth.log will stream with peoples republic of china attempts among others. dont forward that port |
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| 06:21.05 | tryy3 | LtL what port was it? |
| 06:21.15 | LtL | 22 ssh/scp |
| 06:21.38 | tryy3 | but then i cant access my computer from my dad? |
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| 06:21.58 | LtL | tryy3: you should call it a day, configuring wpa will take awhile |
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| 06:22.26 | LtL | well just disable root logins and usecdamn strong passwords |
| 06:22.48 | tryy3 | LtL oh okej, well thats the future haft to get this working first :P |
| 06:22.59 | tryy3 | but as i said the packages is installed now |
| 06:23.17 | LtL | tryy3: you got a lot done the hard way, call it a day |
| 06:23.33 | tryy3 | but its morning? :D |
| 06:23.39 | LtL | many ppl here can help you with wireless |
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| 06:23.57 | LtL | tryy3: i thought you've been up all night |
| 06:24.08 | tryy3 | LtL i was :D |
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| 06:24.31 | tryy3 | LtL i been dealing with this for about 6-7h more or less now :D |
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| 06:24.49 | LtL | yeah, ive done many all-nighters |
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| 06:25.29 | LtL | Local 01:25:07 01:25:07 AM Tuesday 2012 UTC Tue Oct 9 06:25:07 UTC 2012 Unix Time 1349763907 |
| 06:25.32 | tryy3 | i guess i continue later |
| 06:25.33 | LtL | my time |
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| 06:25.45 | tryy3 | 08:25 am for me |
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| 06:26.20 | tryy3 | btw thanks for all help :P |
| 06:26.25 | LtL | tryy3: i would just leave the box running if i were you |
| 06:26.35 | LtL | tryy3: happy to help |
| 06:26.48 | tryy3 | ye i dont wanna shut it down when i come this far... |
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| 06:27.23 | tryy3 | LtL probly gonna fix some on my website or go play some tf2 then i gonna take a nap :P |
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| 06:27.36 | LtL | this box has been on for about i dunno 6-7 years practically 24/7 |
| 06:27.47 | tryy3 | lol |
| 06:28.05 | tryy3 | and iam happy if my lappy lasts 8 days... |
| 06:28.18 | LtL | tryy3: i'll leave that ftp account open just in case |
| 06:28.21 | tryy3 | usally restart my personal lappy once every week |
| 06:28.34 | tryy3 | LtL k |
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| 06:28.55 | tryy3 | oh my lappy been on for a week now o.O |
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| 06:29.16 | LtL | tryy3: my advice is don't install a ftp server though, its up to you |
| 06:29.55 | LtL | you should have net later today hopefully |
| 06:29.57 | tryy3 | LtL well i want something similiar to ftp so i can edit/upload/download files easy |
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| 06:30.08 | LtL | tryy3: ssh rules |
| 06:30.27 | tryy3 | LtL lol i guess i check it out more later ^_^ |
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| 06:30.44 | LtL | tryy3: ssh you have a direct shell, scp copies |
| 06:31.08 | Beast | hi all |
| 06:31.16 | LtL | you'll like it tryy3 |
| 06:31.21 | LtL | hi Beast |
| 06:31.24 | tryy3 | Beast hi |
| 06:32.02 | tryy3 | LtL :P i used ssh but iam not sure if i used ftp or what i used oh well i test some when i get it working :D |
| 06:32.03 | Beast | hey LtL tryy3 |
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| 06:32.16 | tryy3 | LtL priority 1 atm is to get the net working :D |
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| 06:33.06 | LtL | tryy3: like i said, ssh and scp does it all. even has windows ports of it so you can tranfer between windows/linux |
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| 06:33.34 | tryy3 | LtL then i gonna try remember scp and check it out later when iam more ... alive :D |
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| 06:33.51 | LtL | tryy3: heh, yeah |
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| 06:34.31 | LtL | tryy3: later today you'll find plenty of help, you have the packages now |
| 06:34.46 | tryy3 | LtL okej thanks :D |
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| 06:34.57 | LtL | tryy3: anytime |
| 06:35.04 | tryy3 | LtL i hope i remember most of the stuff we did... |
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| 06:35.31 | LtL | tryy3: you will, type history in your terminal |
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| 06:36.06 | tryy3 | LtL well i have restarted the computer a couple of times too :D |
| 06:36.11 | LtL | tryy3: root commands are in root's history file |
| 06:36.22 | tryy3 | LtL though i dont think thats so important |
| 06:36.31 | LtL | tryy3: your big problem is display i think. |
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| 06:37.08 | tryy3 | LtL atm its the net second problem i know of is i cant access the windows and third is the X server |
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| 06:37.12 | LtL | tryy3: that may require a different kernel, once you have net, no problem |
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| 06:38.02 | LtL | tryy3: your net is ready, just need to configure wireless |
| 06:38.13 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok |
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| 06:39.26 | LtL | tryy3: if you rebooted your ifconfig would probably show a wlan0 interface, thats the one |
| 06:39.38 | LtL | but its not ready yet |
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| 06:40.07 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok well i wait until more people is on :P |
| 06:40.47 | LtL | later today, no problem, you could probably google yourself but wiki's are outdated often] |
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| 06:41.37 | tryy3 | LtL ye but i start getting tired now and i dont like reading and reading when iam tired is even worse :P |
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| 06:42.09 | LtL | tryy3: i'm going to bed pretty soon myself or i would give it a whirl |
| 06:42.15 | sevenfourk | fellas, there're no security updates for sid? |
| 06:42.25 | LtL | sevenfourk: nope |
| 06:42.29 | sevenfourk | thanks |
| 06:42.34 | LtL | yep |
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| 06:42.45 | sevenfourk | can I use testing ones? mainly using unstable packages |
| 06:42.52 | tryy3 | LtL k gn i probly gonna be up for a little longer gonna try get a few things working and possibly play some tf2 if iam not to tired :D |
| 06:42.58 | sevenfourk | I meant unstable repo |
| 06:43.28 | LtL | sevenfourk: i wouldn't mess with it but others may have better advice |
| 06:44.27 | sevenfourk | I just want to stick with the most newest soft |
| 06:44.39 | sevenfourk | s/most // |
| 06:44.42 | LtL | sevenfourk: go with wheezy |
| 06:45.01 | LtL | sevenfourk: or use backports on stable |
| 06:45.03 | sevenfourk | using now |
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| 06:45.18 | sevenfourk | just choosing security repo |
| 06:45.26 | jelly-home | sevenfourk: there are no security updates for testing either |
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| 06:46.19 | sevenfourk | weird, I had something "#deb http://ftp.ua.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates main contrib non-free" similar in my config |
| 06:46.29 | sevenfourk | ok |
| 06:46.56 | jelly-home | the repo exists, but is not maintained or populated |
| 06:47.21 | sevenfourk | Oo |
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| 06:47.41 | LtL | tryy3: by the way, you will want to edit and take care of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:47.58 | tryy3 | LtL what are they for? |
| 06:48.12 | LtL | !tell tryy3 about sources.list |
| 06:48.51 | LtL | tryy3: dpkg sent you a pm. |
| 06:49.07 | tryy3 | didn't made me much smarter or its that iam tired with out knowing iam that tired... |
| 06:49.32 | lawe | Hello, will the NVIDIA GeForce 210 work with Debian out of the box? |
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| 06:51.06 | tryy3 | LtL maybe it helps if i know what iam supposed to edit it in it :D |
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| 06:52.14 | LtL | tryy3: it's strictly for adding repositories and non-free and contrib software, all your repo's are in it. do not mix with other distro's |
| 06:53.03 | tryy3 | LtL so i should add the one i did dpkg for? |
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| 06:53.31 | LtL | tryy3: i'll pastebin mine |
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| 06:53.38 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 06:54.25 | LtL | tryy3: http://paste.debian.net/197978/ |
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| 06:54.49 | LtL | tryy3: always apt-get update after any edits |
| 06:55.55 | tryy3 | i guess i need help with edit that file :P |
| 06:56.00 | tryy3 | i do it later |
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| 06:57.03 | LtL | tryy3: the base repo and security is all you need for now, you'll want to #comment out the cdrom line from the installer |
| 06:58.25 | tryy3 | LtL ok but as i said i fix it later ^_^ start to get really tired now :S |
| 06:58.52 | LtL | tryy3: i bet you're tired |
| 06:59.06 | tryy3 | LtL ^_^ |
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| 06:59.38 | LtL | tryy3: you'll have your wireless up by sunset i bet. |
| 06:59.55 | tryy3 | LtL you never know with linux lol |
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| 07:00.23 | tryy3 | my previous experince with linux is that it like to troll once in a while :P |
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| 07:01.56 | LtL | tryy3: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 07:02.45 | LtL | tryy3: ive been 'trolling' here for about 7 years.. get a life right |
| 07:02.53 | nsadmin | ++++++++++------------------------ |
| 07:04.49 | tryy3 | LtL lol :P but i belive that linux got its own brain sometimes lol |
| 07:05.04 | tryy3 | LtL sometimes it wanna work sometimes it dont wanna work |
| 07:05.24 | LtL | tryy3: in the right hands, it's pretty awesome. |
| 07:05.47 | tryy3 | LtL ye i know its awesome just sometimes it dont wanna work correctly thats all :D |
| 07:06.02 | tryy3 | LtL if it wouldn't be awesome i would refuse to use it lol |
| 07:06.11 | LtL | tryy3: treat it right, it'll behave |
| 07:06.22 | tryy3 | lol |
| 07:06.54 | tryy3 | one of the best things i love so far with linux is the screeen :D |
| 07:06.58 | tryy3 | screen* |
| 07:07.05 | tryy3 | the program screen |
| 07:07.10 | LtL | yeah, screen rocks |
| 07:07.26 | tryy3 | no need for extra monitors :D |
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| 07:08.33 | tryy3 | LtL thats a good site you linked me... they say iam supposed to install something when i dont even got internet... |
| 07:08.49 | LtL | tryy3: screen is the biggest reason i use a cli irc client |
| 07:09.01 | tryy3 | or should i skip the network manager part? |
| 07:09.08 | tryy3 | LtL ye i can see why :D |
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| 07:09.48 | LtL | tryy3: i'm gonna let the experts handle that question for ya.... hint nsadmin et al |
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| 07:10.06 | tryy3 | eh i gonna follow that guide later |
| 07:10.15 | tryy3 | i almost faceplanting my lappy :D |
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| 07:10.25 | LtL | tryy3: i had no trouble with mine but i used gnome to do it. |
| 07:10.55 | tryy3 | LtL k i test later :P |
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| 07:11.21 | tryy3 | LtL now i gonna do faceplant on my pillows :D gn |
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| 07:11.38 | LtL | ok tryy3 see you later |
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| 07:13.25 | minty-dio | OK. I installed debian squeeze. Having issues with alsa. Spent hours reading about it but haven't made any progress. My sound hardware works fine in other distros. It appears that alsa is trying to use the hdmi-audio instead of the hda. Anyone got a solution idea or even some useful how-to page? |
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| 07:19.03 | LtL | minty-dio: create a /etc/asound.conf has worked for many |
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| 07:20.55 | LtL | minty-dio: this may help, http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 07:21.20 | minty-dio | LtL: Followed some instructions to create an .asoundrc (I believe the contents are the same, just a per-user settings instead of system-wide) |
| 07:21.44 | minty-dio | That didn't seem to accomplish what I hoped it would. |
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| 07:23.15 | LtL | minty-dio: i've read those too, someone the other night created /etc/asound.conf adjusted hdmi and sound order and it worked, not sure of its content. |
| 07:23.16 | minty-dio | LtL: And I've worked the entire wiki alsa page already. |
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| 07:24.13 | LtL | minty-dio: i've had to mess around with sound on about every machine, every release and always got it finally. |
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| 07:24.33 | minty-dio | LtL: The issue with that appears to be that my hdmi and hda both use snd-hda-intel as the driver... |
| 07:24.34 | LtL | wish i was more help |
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| 07:25.21 | LtL | minty-dio: a little code arranges that so hdmi doesnt interfere, google it, though im sure you have |
| 07:25.44 | LtL | minty-dio: try killing pulse if its running |
| 07:27.07 | LtL | i forget where i saw the script for asound.conf |
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| 07:27.20 | LtL | very simple it was though |
| 07:28.08 | minty-dio | LtL: I don't think I have Pulseaudio even installed |
| 07:28.21 | LtL | neither do i |
| 07:28.48 | LtL | dpkg -s pulseaudio will tell you. |
| 07:28.48 | dpkg | Package: pulseaudio will tell you.: Status: install ok installed |
| 07:29.32 | LtL | heh... bot |
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| 07:30.07 | minty-dio | Yeah. so will aptitude search pulseaudio. it's not installed. Didn't think so |
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| 07:31.30 | LtL | minty-dio: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sound-problems-with-new-squeeze-install-859148/ |
| 07:31.55 | smw | hi all, is there any easy way to get a list of all packages a package depends on recursively? |
| 07:32.09 | smw | including ones installed, pretending I started with nothing |
| 07:32.22 | smw | so that something as mundane as libc shows up :-) |
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| 07:33.08 | minty-dio | LtL: Yup. I've got exactly that in my .asoundrc from alother post. (well fixed to refrence the card I have) |
| 07:33.59 | minty-dio | I suppose I could copy it to /etc/asound.conf, but according to the other post having it in ~/.asoundrc should have identical results. |
| 07:34.26 | tryy3 | LtL isn't cronjob powerfull |
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| 07:34.37 | tryy3 | powerfull/good |
| 07:34.54 | LtL | tryy3: syntax is everything but yeah |
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| 07:35.07 | LtL | crontab |
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| 07:35.17 | tryy3 | LtL k i gonna play around with those too :D |
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| 07:35.33 | tryy3 | LtL cronned backups ftw :D |
| 07:35.54 | LtL | tryy3: rsync is sweet |
| 07:36.08 | LtL | im going to bed, nights |
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| 07:36.51 | tryy3 | k night |
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| 07:40.31 | Beast | ciao |
| 07:40.32 | minty-dio | <sigh> I guess it's about time to just reinstall Ubuntu while I still have some hair lest on my head. |
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| 08:07.28 | MidnighToker | good morning people; having some initramfs / mdadm issues if anyone can advise |
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| 08:08.28 | MidnighToker | basically in the initramfs I can't assemble any raid devices as its failing to find any disks (eg i have no /dev/sdX entries, or /deb/block) o_0 |
| 08:09.05 | frikinz | smw: you could try : apt-cache dotty mypackage | dot -Tpng | display - (dot is part of graphviz) . But beware of recursivity ;) there are also some settings to limit what you want to see |
| 08:09.34 | tryy3 | lol i get inlove with debian by typing to dpkg :P |
| 08:10.05 | smw | frikinz, yeah, already have dot :-) |
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| 08:10.25 | smw | frikinz, heh, this is taking a while |
| 08:10.26 | frikinz | smw: there's also apt-cache rdepends . apt-rdepends, .. |
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| 08:10.35 | frikinz | smw: it is indeed :) |
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| 08:10.58 | frikinz | smw: when it takes a while, you usually get a graph with a million vertex, unreadable ;) |
| 08:11.12 | smw | lol |
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| 08:11.50 | garulf | Hi.. how to debug program that when crush missed up the stack? |
| 08:12.00 | smw | frikinz, rdepends is perfect |
| 08:12.06 | smw | I am going to stop your other one |
| 08:12.12 | smw | or should I let it run overnight? |
| 08:12.16 | smw | :-D |
| 08:12.27 | frikinz | smw: apt-cache -o APT::Cache::GivenOnly=1 dotty xterm | dot -Tpng | display - |
| 08:12.54 | smw | sweet |
| 08:13.37 | smw | still not recursive though |
| 08:14.11 | smw | frikinz, rdepends was awesome though |
| 08:14.12 | smw | thanks |
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| 08:15.54 | Thomas1ab | I did that, grub loaded, showd the debian entry and then it tried to boot |
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| 08:20.53 | Thomas1ab | screen turned into colorful snow and then hdd led was permanent on for more than half an hour with nothing changing on the screen, no login no nothing, no ctrl+alt+F2 or F3 or so |
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| 08:58.53 | nsadmin | I just discovered I put some crap in the channel... didn 't mean to do that |
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| 09:13.45 | sauvin | Trying to download stuff from debian-multimedia (100% debian squeeze, no backports) and suddenly getting hit with "not authenticated" and "unable to download stuff". What gives? Is debian-multimedia down? |
| 09:14.47 | blackshirt | maybe |
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| 09:20.46 | sevenfourk | sauvin: check site |
| 09:21.15 | sevenfourk | maybe you haven't updated sources.list |
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| 09:21.49 | sauvin | I haven't recently, no, but haven't ever had this problem before since installing debian squeeze. |
| 09:22.18 | nevyn | !whynotdm |
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| 09:22.30 | sauvin | Oh. I see what you're saying. |
| 09:22.51 | nevyn | !why not dmm |
| 09:22.52 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
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| 09:24.03 | sauvin | sevenfourk, you fixed it. |
| 09:24.03 | frikinz | So everything is back in the default official repositories ? |
| 09:24.18 | nevyn | no. |
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| 09:24.38 | nevyn | in particular libffmpeg is still pretty violently crippled imnsho |
| 09:24.42 | sevenfourk | I'm not sure precisely I did that |
| 09:24.42 | frikinz | I thought initally it was for legal reasons. |
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| 09:26.24 | sauvin | It never occurred to me that the repo's name might change. |
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| 10:18.19 | dannNiel | Hi. Does anybody know if it's possible to deactivate rsnapshot? |
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| 10:21.20 | ectospasm | dannNiel: you can't just remove it from crontab, or /etc/cron.*? |
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| 10:27.52 | linduxed | let's say i've got a terminal up that i've fired up a command in that i KNOW will take a lot of time. i want to be notified when it finishes, although this time i forgot to add "&& finished" at the end of the command (an alias of mine, plays a sound) |
| 10:28.16 | linduxed | is there a way to somehow track an existing process and execute a command when that process finishes? |
| 10:28.40 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.13 | ectospasm | linduxed: unless the process reports its progress (like dd does when you send "kill -USR1 $(PID)" |
| 10:29.15 | ectospasm | ) |
| 10:29.36 | linduxed | regardless what i could have done, this happens from time to time |
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| 10:29.50 | linduxed | firing up a long command that is, and forgetting to add && finished |
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| 10:30.11 | linduxed | i'm just wondering if there's a general method to track whether a process is still going |
| 10:30.13 | ectospasm | is it a command you fire up a lot? |
| 10:30.18 | linduxed | and reacting to its completion |
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| 10:30.24 | linduxed | no |
| 10:30.43 | ectospasm | still, do the parameters or format of the command change often? |
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| 10:30.58 | linduxed | i think you misunderstand me |
| 10:31.03 | linduxed | this is not ONE command |
| 10:31.20 | linduxed | this is general, there are many commands that i run that might take a while |
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| 10:32.02 | linduxed | and for all of those, when i feel like it, i can add "&& finished" to have a sound play when it's done |
| 10:32.09 | linduxed | but sometimes i forget to do that |
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| 10:32.34 | linduxed | so therefore, <insert my question i asked before> |
| 10:32.47 | ectospasm | linduxed: so if the parameters don't change, wrap them in aliases and be sure to put && finished at the end of each command |
| 10:32.59 | ectospasm | s/command$/alias/ |
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| 10:33.15 | ectospasm | linduxed: I don't think there's a way to do it *this time* |
| 10:33.24 | ectospasm | I'm trying to cover you for the next time |
| 10:33.41 | linduxed | ok... |
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| 10:34.26 | linduxed | i've got to be honest with you though: I find it hard to believe that there's no way to do this |
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| 10:35.23 | ectospasm | linduxed: you could probably write a script to watch for a particular process, and notify you when its done... but honestly unleass it's a REALLY long process, the process will be done before the script is written. |
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| 10:40.06 | nevyn | while pgrep process; do sleep 2; done && aplay sound |
| 10:40.22 | nevyn | or some riff on that. |
| 10:40.35 | ectospasm | heh, I always forget about pgrem |
| 10:40.39 | ectospasm | s/m$/p/ |
| 10:41.31 | nevyn | linduxed: ^^ |
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| 11:01.03 | Lasse- | talsamon: YOu mean you aren't able to start old kernel? |
| 11:01.20 | Lasse- | oops wth, backlog |
| 11:01.36 | Sevet | does anyone know why grub2 fails to reinstall from the rescue disk with 'Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 failed'? |
| 11:01.42 | Sevet | I can execute a shell in /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 from the rescue disk and see all files fine. |
| 11:02.03 | Sevet | /dev/md0 is a RAID1 md array created from /dev/sda1 + missing. sda1 is the only partition on the disk. v1.2 superblock. LVM is on top of the md0 with 2 logical volumes (ext3 and swap) |
| 11:02.15 | talsamon | Lasse-, that was yesterday, i have installed the nvidia-driver new, and the problem was solved |
| 11:02.27 | Lasse- | yeah, my irssi was scrolled up, didn't notice |
| 11:02.28 | Lasse- | sorry :) |
| 11:02.34 | nevyn | Sevet: is booting of lvm on raid supported? |
| 11:03.48 | talsamon | Lasse-, the new was the problem, not the old |
| 11:03.58 | rkaw | nevyn: it is, I did that several times... |
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| 11:06.04 | Sevet | nevyn: i've had it working fine on this system before |
| 11:06.23 | Sevet | i had a md array but the drives failed, i'm replacin them with newer disks |
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| 11:06.49 | Sevet | but they've got 4k sectors and it didn't like the old layout, so i've created a new array with a v1.2 superblock (the old one used 0.90) |
| 11:06.59 | Sevet | (which is larger than the old md array) |
| 11:07.17 | Sevet | and used dd to copy the lvm from the old md127 to the new md0 |
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| 11:07.39 | Sevet | i'm wondering if grub2 doesn't like the 1.2 superblock though (it worked fine on the old 0.90 one) |
| 11:08.20 | Sevet | 1.2 gets placed in the first 4k of the partition, while 0.90 was at the end - so i'm wondering if grub2 is looking for the filesystem but seeing the superblock instead |
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| 11:10.02 | rkaw | hmm, are you on Squeeze? |
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| 11:10.41 | rkaw | I am not completely sure, but Squeeze's GRUB2 might not support 1.2 superblocks |
| 11:11.13 | Sevet | yes this is squeeze... |
| 11:11.30 | frikinz | Sevet: you saw this I guess? Might be some info https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_superblock_formats |
| 11:12.33 | Sevet | i have, but it didn't really clear up whether grub2 would like 1.2 or not |
| 11:13.20 | Sevet | i initially tried the old 0.90 superblock, but for some reason it said sda and sda1 had the same superblock, even when i put a sda2 partition after sda1 at the end of the disk |
| 11:13.33 | Sevet | which meant grub would install but wouldn't boot |
| 11:15.20 | rkaw | Sevet: if you have stale superblocks, be sure to erase (zero) them |
| 11:15.28 | rkaw | GRUB is sure to choke on that |
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| 11:15.51 | Sevet | i did mdadm --zero-superblock and then dd from /dev/zero just to be sure ;) |
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| 11:16.29 | Sevet | the dd from the old array to the new one was on the md device so should'nt have had access to the superblocks |
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| 11:18.58 | frikinz | Looks like supported but the grub2 is a bit weak.. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Root_filesystem_over_LVM2,_DM-Crypt_and_RAID#GRUB2 |
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| 11:19.47 | linduxed | nevyn: exactly what i was looking for |
| 11:19.47 | frikinz | s/grub2/grub2 wiki/ |
| 11:19.49 | linduxed | nevyn: thx |
| 11:20.28 | nevyn | linduxed: np |
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| 11:26.59 | Sevet | grikinz: ok thanks for the pointer |
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| 11:41.42 | Sevet | grikinz: hmm, it may be working now... grub-probe claimed the disk didn't exist even though it was mounted |
| 11:41.59 | Sevet | the grub device.map still had the old disks listed by-id, updated that and grub-install now shows no error |
| 11:42.18 | Sevet | rebooting, *fingers crossed* |
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| 11:49.50 | txomon|nqas | hi, I have a debian etch and making apt-get update brought KEYSPIRED message error |
| 11:50.02 | txomon|nqas | how may I erase that message? |
| 11:50.44 | Sevet | upgrade |
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| 11:53.45 | boudiccas | using apt-listbugs in wheezy, how do i 'turn' the page in a long list of bugs please? |
| 11:54.31 | txomon|nqas | Sevet, I can't we need that version to work |
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| 11:54.39 | txomon|nqas | just that version, and it is locked to one date |
| 11:54.44 | Sevet | apt-get update is going to be pointless |
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| 11:55.02 | Sevet | etch is not on the mirrors and has received no updates for over 2 years |
| 11:55.04 | rkaw | boudiccas: does it use $PAGER, or a custom output facility? |
| 11:55.20 | rkaw | Sevet: but it's still in the archive, no? |
| 11:55.26 | themill | txomon|nqas: that key is expired... that's not going to change and there will never be updated packages for etch,... that also means no security support for etch for several years |
| 11:55.29 | boudiccas | rkaw, dont know, i use its default settings |
| 11:55.33 | Sevet | not only is it end of life, it's successor (lenny) is also eol too |
| 11:55.47 | Sevet | yes it'll be on archives but the key will never be renewed |
| 11:55.48 | themill | rkaw: sure, but archive.d.o doesn't change, so there's little point in an "apt-get update" |
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| 11:56.21 | rkaw | themill: maybe they deleted the index files or something :P |
| 11:56.30 | themill | then don't do that. |
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| 11:57.06 | niels1 | boudiccas, try pagedown or space bar. maybe one of them works |
| 11:57.21 | boudiccas | niels1, okay, thanks |
| 11:57.32 | Eric- | How to list the number of times a NAT rules was used in iptables? iptables -L -t nat ??? |
| 11:57.35 | niels1 | boudiccas, i'm just guessing |
| 11:58.15 | Sevet | eric: iptables doesn't count on individual rules |
| 11:58.20 | niels1 | Eric-, try the -v switch (verbose) |
| 11:58.43 | niels1 | Sevet, he probably means displaying the counters |
| 11:59.15 | Eric- | yes!! counters :) |
| 11:59.17 | Sevet | oh hang on it does... :) |
| 11:59.18 | Eric- | sorry |
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| 12:04.45 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 12:04.46 | ShapeShifter499 | so xrandr.... if it only shows 60+ under my display modes that means I can't have a display refresh mode over 60Hz? |
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| 12:06.16 | rkaw | why? have you got a 120Hz screen? |
| 12:06.45 | txomon|nqas | I know etch is not going to be in the mirrors never ever more, but I need to make dissapear that message |
| 12:06.55 | txomon|nqas | either disabling something etc. |
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| 12:07.15 | boudiccas | txomon|nqas, dont run 'apt-get update' then |
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| 12:08.03 | txomon|nqas | boudiccas, I also found another way, deleting the security updates |
| 12:08.13 | txomon|nqas | etch/updates main line |
| 12:08.25 | themill | txomon|nqas: there are no security updates for etch any more. That's the point |
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| 12:08.47 | boudiccas | txomon|nqas, with no updates available, its pointless trying to update, ergo, problem solved! :) |
| 12:08.59 | themill | (I assume that this machine is not on a public network) |
| 12:09.02 | rkaw | oh, btw. any idea if the archive repo contains the updated versions, or the "baseline" only from the time of release? |
| 12:09.25 | themill | it should contain the last point release which is made after security support finishes |
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| 12:10.21 | themill | See the Version field in http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release |
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| 12:10.34 | rkaw | great |
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| 12:13.23 | txomon|nqas | ty themill boudiccas |
| 12:13.38 | ShapeShifter499 | rkaw, no just seeing if I can push gaming speeds up a bit |
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| 12:15.19 | rkaw | ShapeShifter499: you can not, unless your screen can display higher frequencies |
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| 12:17.38 | ShapeShifter499 | ok thanks |
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| 12:31.51 | rkaw | how does one use the recent RdRand instructions of Ivy Bridge CPUs to fill up the entropy buffer? I can't seem to find any daemon for this... |
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| 12:33.22 | iliv | hi |
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| 12:35.21 | iliv | I have backport packages of Zabbix 2.0.2 for squeeze, and they work fine, but on Ubuntu Lucid libsnmp15 is of slightly lower version. My question to experience backports makers is what are my options here? Ideally, I would love to have one set of zabbix packages that could work for squeeze and ... |
| 12:35.26 | iliv | ... lucid, any ideas how I could do that elegantly (if at all possible)? |
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| 12:35.55 | rkaw | no, you can't have the same package for Debian and Ubuntu |
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| 12:37.25 | iliv | I almost do, if not for the libnsmp15 differring versions :P |
| 12:38.28 | iliv | seriously, I force installed these backport packages for squeeze on lucide and they work, but of course apt throws out a warning about broken package every time one runs apt |
| 12:38.50 | iliv | which isn't cool, so I thought maybe somehow this could be worked aroun |
| 12:38.51 | iliv | d |
| 12:39.24 | themill | just rebuild them |
| 12:39.34 | iliv | i.e. two sets of packages |
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| 12:40.04 | rkaw | Ubuntu will have different package names, versions etc. anyway, so you need separate repositories |
| 12:40.19 | rkaw | with different package files, if only for the control fields to differ |
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| 12:41.06 | iliv | I see |
| 12:41.08 | iliv | thank you |
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| 12:52.00 | frikinz | Slowly discovering lvm and rediscovering mdadm. One question.Would my raid conf be written automatically in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf when the raid is created? And in theory, is the conf needed if the partitions are set as Linux raid autodetect? |
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| 12:52.46 | jelly | frikinz: "automatically?" probably not if you do it after the installation |
| 12:53.00 | jelly | frikinz: autodetect is fragile, avoid using it |
| 12:53.31 | rkaw | at least you can get by with just an UUID in the file, instead of all the devices listed |
| 12:53.37 | niels1 | frikinz, you can get a line for your mdadm.conf by running "mdadm --examine --scan" |
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| 12:54.54 | frikinz | ok thanks |
| 12:57.14 | frikinz | hum during my tests I've probably created a raid as I see the scan detected /dev/md1 . mdadm -D tells me there are 2 disks. One being /dev/dm-3. Is there something at DM layer to know what this /dev/dm-3 is ? |
| 12:57.53 | frikinz | ahah I got lost in all the layers. could be an LV or a luks. |
| 12:58.03 | Sevet | are you doing lvm on raid or raid on lvm? |
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| 12:59.04 | frikinz | Sevet: lol now I'm about to do lvm on raid. But this md1 I can't remember what it was. and this member doesn't ring a bell. Was more a general question. |
| 12:59.16 | frikinz | file -s tells me ... /dev/dm-3: sticky data |
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| 13:00.07 | frikinz | I'll look with dmsetup |
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| 13:00.51 | nsadmin | if the raids are up you could try pvscan |
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| 13:01.14 | rkaw | so... any solution for filling up /dev/random from rdrand yet? |
| 13:01.23 | frikinz | ok, I got it with dmsetup info /dev/dm-3 . UUID: LVMxxx . Also maybe by doing what the kernel is doing, inspecting the partition type |
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| 13:01.58 | nsadmin | so, pvscan and vgscan |
| 13:02.38 | rkaw | right now my machine is stuck at "loading random data", and my entropy pool is probably short |
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| 13:03.16 | frikinz | yes, pvscan helps too |
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| 13:03.41 | nsadmin | does it tell you which vg the pvs are part of? |
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| 13:04.16 | nsadmin | actually yes it does :) |
| 13:04.17 | frikinz | nsadmin: yes, the VG from the initial debian setup |
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| 13:05.14 | kaneda^ | hallo |
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| 13:05.26 | nsadmin | cool, that's all I wanted, was to have you get to see additional info |
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| 13:05.57 | kaneda^ | why am i lagging so hard? |
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| 13:06.29 | nsadmin | sabretooth tiger is stepping on your coattails? |
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| 13:07.24 | nsadmin | kaneda^, j/k... but seriously, I dunno :) |
| 13:07.40 | abrotman | how could you .. not that it stops you from talking .. |
| 13:07.51 | frikinz | raid on top of lvm vs lvm on top of raid. I'll drink another sip and think about it :) |
| 13:08.34 | nsadmin | I wouldn't think raid on lvm makes sense |
| 13:08.35 | nevyn | frikinz: lvm on multipath on flashcache and md (with a prefered path of flashcache) |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: why not? |
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| 13:09.19 | abrotman | frikinz: i think i'd rather do the LVM on top of RAID |
| 13:09.21 | nsadmin | abrotman, I would have thought raid is optimized for performance... |
| 13:09.29 | nsadmin | metoo |
| 13:09.46 | abrotman | you can't agree with me after you say you don't understand RAID+LVM .. |
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| 13:10.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: RAID has many uses, performance is one .. depends on your RAID level |
| 13:10.15 | frikinz | abrotman: yes that's what I do |
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| 13:10.41 | nsadmin | abrotman, what level supports random access well? |
| 13:11.15 | abrotman | frikinz: though, remember you don't need to have swap on RAID |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: read or write? |
| 13:11.35 | nsadmin | both |
| 13:11.43 | nsadmin | for a database |
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| 13:11.53 | abrotman | load the database into RAM? |
| 13:12.11 | Sevet | abrotman: although if a non-raided drive with swap on disappears that won't cause data loss of files but could crash your system... |
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| 13:12.37 | abrotman | Sevet: i meant more that swap is already raided .. no need to add it explicitly |
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| 13:12.54 | Sevet | it is? |
| 13:12.54 | abrotman | it's striped i should say |
| 13:13.00 | nsadmin | interesting idea... but I have at least hundreds of tables and I am expecting a lot of data in a month or tw |
| 13:13.08 | Sevet | right, so that covers speed but not redundancy |
| 13:13.34 | abrotman | Sevet: but you'd still have swap if 1/2 disappeared .. it'd just be a miss |
| 13:13.36 | abrotman | right? |
| 13:13.56 | bolt | lvm on raid on lvm :D |
| 13:14.00 | Sevet | nsadmin: if it's a database you may want to consider a real hardware raid card with battery-backed cache |
| 13:14.02 | nsadmin | abrotman, is a database on raid (reading/writing the raid) a good idea? |
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| 13:14.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: better than a single disk? yes |
| 13:14.23 | Sevet | abrotman: but any programs with paged data would crash |
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| 13:14.46 | abrotman | Sevet: and does real RAID1 or LVM help with this? |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | erm .. real RAID0 |
| 13:14.52 | Sevet | (perhaps only a problem if you're actually paging, and then you already have another issue) |
| 13:14.56 | Sevet | swap on raid1 would |
| 13:15.24 | abrotman | would rather just have more RAM and ignore the swap completely :) |
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| 13:15.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: depending ont eh size, probably raid 1+0 |
| 13:15.40 | nsadmin | abrotman, I understand that raid-5 has been said to be particularly poor performance for databases... if databases on raid are a good idea, what is a good choice for level? |
| 13:16.00 | slava_dp | hi! what do I need to setup, to be able to send mail from console and from daemons in debian to an outside e-mail address? |
| 13:16.04 | abrotman | answers nsadmin before he asks |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: that is not 'the gospel' .. you shold do your own testing of course |
| 13:16.50 | nsadmin | understood... so mirroring plus concatenation? |
| 13:16.57 | abrotman | slava_dp: setup exim or postfix to send mail, use a smarthost if needed |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: mirror plus striping |
| 13:17.24 | abrotman | wikipedia has a decent article about raid levels |
| 13:17.29 | kaneda^ | what disk/cpu monitoring software would you recommend for debian? i've seen munin recommended before |
| 13:17.36 | nsadmin | oh good :) |
| 13:17.48 | nsadmin | lemme look |
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| 13:18.16 | kaneda^ | and i remember BB from many years ago, but i dont think this exists any more |
| 13:18.49 | jelly | slava_dp: if you do not need mail delivered to local accounts, use a simplified /usr/sbin/sendmail provider like nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 13:19.07 | abrotman | kaneda^: how do you want the data displayed? |
| 13:19.09 | jelly | personally I like my root mail to be in a local inbox |
| 13:19.26 | kaneda^ | abrotman, i just want warnings of the disk space reaches a certain percentage and the likewise the CPU load |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | kaneda^: you can use munin to watch, nagios to have it alert you |
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| 13:20.15 | kaneda^ | abrotman, ok, i've seen this before, but i think from 2007 |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | munin may be able to alert you also, but i've never used it for that |
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| 13:20.35 | kaneda^ | abrotman, i'd prefer to stay away from a larger solution like nagios for now |
| 13:20.41 | kaneda^ | so i'll see what munin can do on its own |
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| 13:21.30 | nsadmin | presence of this: /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.6.3 would mean I have qt4? |
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| 13:22.20 | cmanns | hi |
| 13:23.10 | bolt | !greet cmanns |
| 13:23.11 | dpkg | Hello, cmanns |
| 13:23.36 | cmanns | I did backports install of Munin 2.0 |
| 13:23.45 | cmanns | How can I get it working? Apache /munin shows nothing. |
| 13:23.51 | abrotman | read the docs? |
| 13:23.56 | cmanns | ok |
| 13:23.56 | kaneda^ | nsadmin, aptitude show libqt4-core |
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| 13:26.37 | nsadmin | kaneda^, good thought :) hmm, I'm trying to get apt-offline gui going, it says "ERROR: Incomplete installation. PyQT or apt-offline GUI libraries not available." and, I have the right python stuff and pyqt and qt libs installed... |
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| 13:27.27 | themill | nsadmin: qtsql doesn't sound like qt |
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| 13:28.31 | basic6 | hi |
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| 13:28.35 | nsadmin | I just did ls /usr/lib/lib[Qq]t* and got lots of files matching... picked one at random to show |
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| 13:28.57 | themill | wouldn't asking apt be more sensible? |
| 13:28.58 | basic6 | i think the world has ended 6 minutes ago |
| 13:29.42 | nsadmin | themill, yes; didn't at the time have a package name |
| 13:30.37 | abrotman | themill: stop with common sense .. that's not useful |
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| 13:31.14 | nsadmin | these are computers... sense is never required to be common |
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| 13:34.29 | nsadmin | trying it again, it says "Graphical Interface is currently not ready. \n ERROR: Incomplete installation. PyQT or apt-offline GUI libraries not available." |
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| 13:34.59 | themill | and do you have pyqt installed? |
| 13:35.08 | nsadmin | looks that way |
| 13:35.36 | nsadmin | that's python-qt4? |
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| 13:36.32 | nsadmin | , v pyqt |
| 13:36.33 | judd | No package named 'pyqt' was found in i386. |
| 13:36.38 | themill | yes |
| 13:36.48 | nsadmin | that's installed |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | there's a package for apt-offline .. why are you doing this? |
| 13:37.10 | abrotman | there's also apt-zip |
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| 13:37.51 | nsadmin | I installed apt-offline... I'm doing this so if it comes up (like it did today), I could help |
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| 13:38.02 | nsadmin | apt-zip, that's the other one |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | help what? |
| 13:38.25 | nsadmin | never mind, that's presently irrelevent |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | not really, you're the one asking for help now |
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| 13:39.00 | abrotman | or asking to be spoonfed it would appear |
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| 13:39.35 | abrotman | if you'd explain what you're actually trying to do, we may be able to tell you a better way to do it |
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| 13:39.53 | nsadmin | ok, so presently, I read the docs which say there is a gui option to apt-offline, and when I try it (as user, as root with su, as root with ssh) it continues saying that |
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| 13:40.08 | abrotman | are you compiling things? |
| 13:40.08 | themill | wfm |
| 13:40.14 | nsadmin | inope |
| 13:40.21 | niels1 | abrotman, maybe he's using the package which is missing dependencies? |
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| 13:41.03 | nsadmin | niels1, the package involved is apt-offline, in squeeze |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | niels1: then he's done something bad .. and he should tell us |
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| 13:41.15 | themill | nsadmin: real output showing the command you gave in a pastebin would be much more useful. |
| 13:41.35 | cmanns | You don't have permission to access /munin on this server. |
| 13:41.41 | cmanns | On debian munin 2.0 install |
| 13:41.46 | niels1 | abrotman, he might, but it might also be a bug of the package. i meant that the package's control field is missing dependencies |
| 13:41.47 | cmanns | i been editing the apache.conf but no go |
| 13:41.52 | themill | nsadmin: apt-offline in squeeze doesn't have a gui |
| 13:41.57 | nsadmin | that's the only output, I ran: apt-offline gui |
| 13:42.15 | rkaw | I think I just ran into the strangest problem ever... there was an unspecified GSS failure, which got fixed by installing "ntp". but I was only working locally... the system time was out of sync with itself! |
| 13:42.20 | nsadmin | oh. so this is a documentation bug |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | documentation where? |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | niels1: or it was intentional |
| 13:42.52 | nsadmin | where else? man apt-offline |
| 13:43.10 | themill | nsadmin: apt-offline(1) in squeeze doesn't have "gui" in it anywhere |
| 13:43.17 | themill | err (8) |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | just making sure you weren't reading it on a website |
| 13:44.38 | nsadmin | hmm. where did I read that... the other guy had squeeze too, so if he was to install it he must have had the same doc |
| 13:44.38 | abrotman | how many levels of fail? :) |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | nsadmin: he could have read the man page on a website .. it happens |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | or random website |
| 13:45.53 | niels1 | or he could be using wheezy or sid |
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| 13:47.27 | niels1 | (in which case he should install apt-offline-gui) |
| 13:47.33 | nsadmin | nope, I do have a wheezy installed, but it's on a sata drive currently powered down |
| 13:48.59 | niels1 | i meant the other guy |
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| 13:49.16 | themill | so we've concluded that apt-offline in both squeeze and wheezy works as advertised. Perfect. |
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| 13:51.21 | nsadmin | yeah I could of read something weird... looked like a man page to me |
| 13:51.22 | kaneda^ | ooooh, so munin looks purty |
| 13:51.42 | kaneda^ | i made it accessible to an entire subnet |
| 13:51.50 | kaneda^ | i think that's OK |
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| 13:53.01 | kaneda^ | i guess i'll check back in a day and see what we got! |
| 13:53.13 | abrotman | colors |
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| 14:05.14 | nsadmin | I still wonder where I read that and why apt-offline does respond to gui, and when I try apt-offline foo it says: apt-offline: error: invalid choice: 'foo' (choose from 'gui', 'set', 'install', 'get') |
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| 14:12.02 | themill | nsadmin: "Graphical Interface is currently not ready." sounds pretty clear to me. |
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| 14:13.21 | nsadmin | yeah, me too. where'd you find that? |
| 14:13.43 | Sevet | frikinz: figured out that grub booting issue - i had to update /boot/grub/device.map for the new device ids, and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf needed updating and update-initramfs running as the array uuid had changed, plus the ARRAY line now contains metadata=1.2 (mdadm --examine --scan output) |
| 14:13.52 | nsadmin | oh, in the outpit |
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| 14:14.15 | vpicavet | hi, d-i question : while installing, I want to update to latest kernel, which is not in the iso, but on the repository. what d-i command should I add in my preseed file ? |
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| 14:19.46 | txomon|nqas | vpicavet, check docs... |
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| 14:21.17 | tharkun | I've got one machine that suddenly decided that it will not mount an nfs partition on boot. If it is done manualy after boot there is no problem. Where can I start debugging, syslog doesn't mention anything? |
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| 14:21.25 | vpicavet | txomon|nqas: found "d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image" but I do not know if it will select latest available on iso or on repos |
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| 14:22.45 | vpicavet | I think I can do it with late_command, but there probably is a better way |
| 14:22.46 | txomon|nqas | vpicavet, don't know how much people of here know about d-i exists, but I think much less will know such specific questions ;S |
| 14:22.47 | nsadmin | tharkun, "suddenly", what's that mean, incl. what are some things you've done during the period of "suddenly" |
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| 14:23.47 | tharkun | nsadmin: No updates, the server which has the fisical disk stoped working on Saturday 23:25 Every other machine is working as before but this one. |
| 14:24.04 | tharkun | nsadmin: I haven't even touched the machines until today |
| 14:24.06 | vpicavet | txomon|nqas: i thought people in here would be interested in cryptic specific questions generally :) |
| 14:24.15 | tharkun | nsadmin: I'M INOCENT :) |
| 14:24.26 | nsadmin | suddenly... |
| 14:25.13 | tharkun | nsadmin: yes, I don't have a clue what happened apt-cacher logs are empty no updates, no config changes (/etc signatures match) ... |
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| 14:25.44 | nsadmin | you say the physical disk failed? |
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| 14:25.54 | nsadmin | which physical disk, btw? |
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| 14:26.54 | tharkun | no, the server which holds the physical disks that hold the nfs partition failed. It got frozen on Saturday 23:25. There are no log entries from that time until Monday morning that got restarted |
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| 14:27.38 | tharkun | nsadmin: Every other machine is mounting the partition flawlessly and working fine. Only this particular machine is not working properly |
| 14:28.14 | tharkun | where does nfs log its relevant entries? |
| 14:28.54 | nsadmin | would it be in the boot log? |
| 14:29.07 | nsadmin | or messages, or syslog? |
| 14:29.54 | tharkun | boot (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
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| 14:30.21 | tharkun | if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 14:30.28 | tharkun | nsadmin: you are a genius thanks |
| 14:30.36 | txomon|nqas | anyone knows any method to compile an old kernel in a debian wheezy? I have problems with gcc |
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| 14:31.00 | nsadmin | tharkun, thanks :) |
| 14:31.09 | DotHack | cool that it just reading syslog or messages makes you a genius |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | txomon|nqas: what's worng with the kernel in Debian ? |
| 14:31.26 | nsadmin | it's nice to get a complement for a job really well done :) |
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| 14:31.56 | DotHack | yeah compliments are nice :) |
| 14:32.07 | nsadmin | DotHack, I know, right? and I'm not even the one that read it! |
| 14:32.14 | kaneda^ | complements are nice, money is better |
| 14:32.30 | nsadmin | YEAH! gimme MONEY! |
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| 14:32.51 | abrotman | reading output is hard eh ? |
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| 14:33.13 | txomon|nqas | abrotman, that doesn't have my modifications in the capture phase |
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| 14:33.35 | abrotman | txomon|nqas: and your patches won't apply ? |
| 14:34.09 | txomon|nqas | abrotman, no, we are currently on 2.6.23-rc7 and have modified too many things |
| 14:34.21 | abrotman | txomon|nqas: wheezy does have a gcc4.4 .. |
| 14:34.23 | txomon|nqas | we need to make further testing while we upgrade |
| 14:34.36 | txomon|nqas | then installing gcc4.4 would solve? |
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| 14:35.05 | abrotman | i can't answer that for you .. i know nothing about the errors or your patches |
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| 14:36.28 | ujjain | I added a new monitor via DVI, but it only shows a black screen. The other monitor worked fine. |
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| 14:37.22 | ujjain | the old monitor still works fine, but the new one doesn't. |
| 14:37.23 | ujjain | http://pastebin.visilang.com/view/raw/160aed24 |
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| 14:38.10 | DotHack | ujjain: remove the hirzsync and vertrefresh stanzas |
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| 14:39.12 | ujjain | good idea |
| 14:39.13 | txomon|nqas | abrotman, working on that lack of info |
| 14:39.16 | ujjain | rebooting to test |
| 14:39.24 | somiaj | ujjain: modern xorg can detect many monintors settings, you really only need the Device section in your xorg.conf and you can remove all the rest |
| 14:39.33 | DotHack | ujjain: hehe rebooting..... |
| 14:39.49 | somiaj | ujjain: I'd suggest backing up that xorg.conf, and then removong all lines except the the Device section and let xorg try to automatically detect things |
| 14:39.50 | ujjain | it was not necessary to reboot hehe? |
| 14:39.57 | somiaj | also you only need to restart X, you don't need to reboot |
| 14:39.59 | ujjain | ah ok, I ran nvidia-xconfig, i thought it would do it |
| 14:40.00 | DotHack | ujjain: just restart X |
| 14:40.03 | somiaj | if you use gdm3, /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
| 14:40.08 | ujjain | ah thanks |
| 14:40.13 | somiaj | ujjain: that is old and doesn't create good configs. |
| 14:40.22 | somiaj | sorry /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 14:40.35 | txomon|nqas | gcc: error: unrecognized command line option -m \n gcc: error: elf_x86_64: Doesn't exist the file or dir |
| 14:40.38 | abrotman | txomon|nqas: in the meantime .. just try it .. |
| 14:40.43 | ujjain | I will delete all the lines then except the device part |
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| 14:41.05 | maxxe | will there be a legacy fglrx driver available for wheezy? |
| 14:41.05 | txomon|nqas | I am just compiling the 2.6.23-rc7 |
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| 14:41.15 | txomon|nqas | if I can compile that version, I can compile my version |
| 14:41.32 | somiaj | strange kernel versin to be compling...is this on lenny txomon|nqas ? |
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| 14:41.49 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, no, its project decided |
| 14:41.58 | txomon|nqas | the one when the project started ;S |
| 14:42.13 | themill | (not a terribly sustainable position) |
| 14:43.09 | somiaj | well that kernel is older than lenny, so you may need older gcc versions to. But I wasn't following the conversation. |
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| 14:44.05 | ujjain | X is still not working |
| 14:44.09 | ujjain | the configuration is near empty |
| 14:44.15 | DotHack | ujjain: X logs? |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | txomon|nqas: that's awful, good luck |
| 14:44.49 | ujjain | http://pastebin.visilang.com/view/raw/725b72e3 |
| 14:44.52 | somiaj | ujjain: read though /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what was going wrong |
| 14:45.49 | ujjain | Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8500 GT at PCI:5:0:0 / No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" / Virtual screen size determined to be 640 x 480 |
| 14:46.04 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, any tip on creating an env to compile it? |
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| 14:46.43 | somiaj | the two things I noticed was at 26.090 -- the EDID on your monintor is not being decteded correctly. Sounds like you'll have to set up the xorg.conf because it cannot figure your monintor out |
| 14:46.52 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: you could make a lenny chroot from archive.debian.org and try to build it in there |
| 14:47.13 | txomon|nqas | we are using etch in the computer we have |
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| 14:47.46 | somiaj | well that build env should work as well. Is it a 64bit install of etch? |
| 14:47.53 | DotHack | ujjain: what type of monitor are you connecting.. seems its edid is invalid |
| 14:48.03 | ujjain | DotHack, 1440p Korean monitor. |
| 14:48.12 | ujjain | it works on Windows 7, dual OS setup |
| 14:48.17 | DotHack | ujjain: type, brand? |
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| 14:48.49 | ujjain | ACHIEVA Shimian QH270-Lite |
| 14:49.01 | dio-does-debian | It only took 3 days of digging, but finally alsa works. By far the worst distro for getting working alsa on this machine I've tried. Even Arch was easier. :( But, at least I can move on now. Was really close to pulling the plug on the Debian experiment early over sound... |
| 14:49.11 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, I think so |
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| 14:49.44 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: well the error you are getting seems to be dealing with x86_64 elf binaries. Do you want a 64 bit kernel? You could try to build it in a 32bit chroot |
| 14:50.30 | rkaw | guys, I am seeing this while trying to mount nfsv4 with krb5. any ideas? http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/07/msg00687.html |
| 14:50.50 | txomon|nqas | i am using Linux opteron 2.6.23-ksensor-v0.2-stats #1 SMP Wed Feb 29 23:22:19 CET 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux in the machine |
| 14:51.16 | txomon|nqas | and I want to replicate the compilation env in my home |
| 14:51.20 | txomon|nqas | without installing an etch |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | wouldn't be a very good replication |
| 14:51.44 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: you can install an etch chroot with debootstrap from archive.debian.org |
| 14:52.00 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: is the best I can think of. so at least you are building it in an etch enviorment. |
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| 14:53.15 | ujjain | [ 121.541] (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "2560x1440"; removing. |
| 14:53.24 | rkaw | I seem to be hitting this, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682709 ... anyone got kerberized NFSv4 working on Wheezy, or should I assume it is broken? |
| 14:53.56 | DotHack | ujjain: did some googling but seems its an issue with nvidia and your screen |
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| 14:54.07 | ujjain | should I try the nouveau drivers? |
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| 14:55.14 | DotHack | ujjain: check: http://www.codesim.com/tips/index.php?t=3 |
| 14:55.54 | txomon|nqas | at the end, I just want to run our app, nearly sure all apps would fail, but this is just to compile ;D |
| 14:56.09 | txomon|nqas | compiling in old computers is horrible thing |
| 14:56.35 | ujjain | DotHack, trying |
| 14:57.31 | anigma | any gimp enthusiasts here? |
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| 14:58.10 | ujjain | omg DotHack |
| 14:58.14 | ujjain | you are my hero ! :) you truly are |
| 14:58.16 | ujjain | thanks so much |
| 14:58.29 | DotHack | no problem! |
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| 15:01.06 | burd | I think there was a regression in the latest kernel update for Squeeze. I got this in my Tiger reports over the weekend "Disk device /dev/sdb1 has read/write access for group floppy" in my search I found this old bug that seems identical http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404927 not sure if this has been reported lately or not. |
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| 15:05.12 | txomon|nqas | this command is working, and I spect good results: debootstrap --no-check-gpg etch ./etch/ http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20090515T215714Z/ |
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| 15:12.40 | txomon|nqas | I know I should know this... but how can I ln an external dir from the chroot system? |
| 15:13.04 | ksk | bindmounts |
| 15:13.10 | txomon|nqas | ? |
| 15:13.19 | ksk | what do you want to do? |
| 15:13.28 | boudiccas | txomon|nqas, how can you what? |
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| 15:14.37 | txomon|nqas | I have a the project out of the debootstrap dir, so I just want to ln it into the debootstrap dir |
| 15:15.07 | boudiccas | txomon|nqas, you're not making sense, please explain |
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| 15:16.14 | themill | txomon|nqas: you'd either copy it in or bind-mount the project directory inside the chroot. (or use schroot to do all this automatically) |
| 15:17.04 | txomon|nqas | ah mount --bind |
| 15:17.09 | txomon|nqas | I did it with that |
| 15:17.31 | txomon|nqas | I was searching for bindmount cmd |
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| 15:33.20 | txomon|nqas | worked! |
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| 15:34.28 | TheWarden | I want to set the environment variable DISPLAY, would this be set in the ~/.profile ? That would just be done by doing DISPLAY=:0 or do I need to add export DISPLAY=:0 ? |
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| 15:36.51 | TheWarden | I suppose it could be done in the /etc/profile for all users. mmm |
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| 15:41.01 | themill | TheWarden: what are you trying to achieve here? |
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| 15:42.10 | TheWarden | themill: I want to set the DISPLAY environment variable to :0 globally. I figured I would do it in the ~/.profile with one line as "DISPLAY=:0" and the next line as "export DISPLAY" without double quotes. I think that should work. |
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| 15:42.32 | themill | that's a pretty weird thing to be wanting to do |
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| 15:43.24 | TheWarden | themill: why is that? I've been told VLC is being ran by a cronjob and it doesn't know about X Window so I set the DISPLAY environment variable and the issue should be solved at least I'm hoping. |
| 15:43.57 | blubberdiblub | you have to set that in the crontab then, TheWarden |
| 15:44.06 | themill | settings in .profile won't apply to cronjobs anyway -- set that in your user's crontab |
| 15:44.27 | themill | (you may also need to work hard to give your user the appropriate xauthority in crontab) |
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| 15:45.20 | TheWarden | themill: oh really, I though doing export would make it global. So you saying I should set the environment variable within my script that is ran via cron? |
| 15:45.22 | themill | TheWarden: setting DISPLAY like that would screw up X for anyone else logging into your machine on a second X session and also X forwarding |
| 15:45.42 | themill | TheWarden: .profile is not "global" it's for login shells |
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| 15:46.24 | TheWarden | xauthority... mm I've done some reading on this but not sure I understand this file let alone how to make one. Any info you know of on the subject I could read on? |
| 15:46.47 | themill | TheWarden: are you using gdm3? or some other display manager? |
| 15:47.00 | TheWarden | themill: gdm3 with lxde. |
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| 15:47.32 | themill | gdm3 is a bugger for this.... it hides xauthority in a different path every time. apparently this is helpful in some way |
| 15:48.18 | TheWarden | oh okay well now I'm confused lol. Do I set the DISPLAY environment variable via my script being executed in the user's crontab? |
| 15:48.36 | TheWarden | as for xauthority, what do you suggest then? I really don't know much about this file. |
| 15:49.01 | engla | whatever you are doing TheWarden, it sounds like a mess |
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| 15:49.22 | TheWarden | engla: what?! Why do you say that? |
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| 15:50.15 | engla | why do you run vlc from cron? |
| 15:50.30 | engla | and why don't you set the display variable when running vlc, not "everywhere" |
| 15:50.31 | rkaw | TheWarden: how about using a separate cron running under X? |
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| 15:50.59 | rkaw | this way, it will inherit the DISPLAY variable, and it will always point to the right display |
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| 15:52.23 | TheWarden | engla: because its a system that plays videos on a loop that and it needs to start VLC automatically, then it adds content to play to the playlist and begins playing. New content can be added remotely which it checks for new content and updates playlist accordingly. |
| 15:52.42 | TheWarden | engla: VLC is being ran via RC (remote control) interface using a Unix socket. |
| 15:53.11 | TheWarden | engla: well that's what I was asking if I could set the DISPLAY variable within my script that |
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| 15:54.17 | TheWarden | rkaw: how do you mean? X is already ran at startup automatically and goes straight to desktop. I setup crontabs via crontab -e. |
| 15:54.55 | rkaw | TheWarden: I mean use a daemon that you will start inside xinitrc, not the system-wide cron |
| 15:55.01 | rkaw | cron is not designed for running X programs |
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| 15:55.10 | engla | pretty arcane stuff. listen to rkaw |
| 15:55.11 | themill | TheWarden: it doesn't sound like cron is needed at all here. |
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| 15:56.27 | rkaw | indeed, I'd put this in .xinitrc |
| 15:56.58 | rkaw | maybe some loop around VLC so that it restarts when killed... that should solve the 'refresh the playlist' part |
| 15:57.27 | TheWarden | rkaw: I'm using user cron to be specific for the kisok user. Mmm that would work for initial startup I suppose but this script runs every 1 minute to check if there is still a VLC process and if not it starts it again, it also makes sure content is always playing and in full screen as well as update the playlist with new content or to remove content. |
| 15:58.07 | rkaw | TheWarden: do the same in an infinite loop... while true; do vlc <arg1> <arg2>...; done; |
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| 15:59.56 | TheWarden | okay so if I understand correctly you two are suggesting I start VLC via xinitrc and have a infinite loop and then let my other script handle the rest via a cron? If that is correct then VLC will find the correct display to use for X? |
| 16:00.04 | confusid | When trying to create a new VM in KVM I get Storage parameter error. There is not enouph free space on the storage pool to create the volume. (8192 M Requested allocation > 2415 M available) I am not understanding what it means. There is enough space for a 20GB VM. |
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| 16:01.34 | rkaw | TheWarden: yes... be careful bout loops in xinitrc though, it's best if you put the loop in an external script and fork that into background ( script1 &) |
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| 16:05.05 | TheWarden | rkaw: if I start it this way, is it going to find the correct display for sure in X? |
| 16:05.51 | TheWarden | this is the file correct, /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc? |
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| 16:06.30 | TheWarden | mmm do I add my code before or after ./etc/X11/Xsession line? |
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| 16:08.51 | TheWarden | oh it could be the user's ~/.xinitrc as well |
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| 16:12.01 | babilen | !tell TheWarden -about .xinitrc |
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| 16:17.41 | gretchen | hi |
| 16:17.54 | gretchen | what is new in the 3.2 kernel |
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| 16:18.13 | gretchen | and what is the bpo version kernel |
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| 16:19.26 | engla | nothing is new by now :-) |
| 16:19.51 | TheWarden | mm okay then so I use .xession instead of .xinitrc |
| 16:21.13 | woshty | how does debian backport kernels determine whether to go to graphical mode after startup? |
| 16:21.46 | gretchen | woshty: what video card |
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| 16:22.08 | PerfDave | woshty: That's not the kernel's decision |
| 16:22.08 | woshty | gretchen: the one that does not some atom n2600 stuff .. whatever that is |
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| 16:22.32 | TheWarden | so doing the following statement would only run VLC when its not running? while true; do vlc --loop --fullscreen --no-video-title; done; |
| 16:22.53 | dio-does-debian | OK, Spent way too much time getting alsa working. Would like a sound-server setup so it can share the audio output. I'm kinda familiar with pulseaudio from some unnamed downstream distros, but is there an easier/better choice? I'm a little chicken because it looks like I need to go in and change all the files I fixed to make alsa work... |
| 16:22.55 | woshty | cedarview |
| 16:23.15 | TheWarden | also is .xsession use #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh ? |
| 16:23.18 | gretchen | are you having probs w it? |
| 16:23.34 | woshty | i have some issues with weird scrolling in aptitude .. |
| 16:23.38 | gretchen | TheWarden: look at the script |
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| 16:24.05 | gretchen | if thers no shabang probably your default login shell rite? |
| 16:24.23 | woshty | downward it basically uses only the lowest two lines .. upwards it get even messier |
| 16:24.35 | TheWarden | gretchen: I am looking at it, I wrote. I'm asking what is it suppose to be sh or bash. |
| 16:24.38 | gretchen | woshty: gnome? |
| 16:24.56 | gretchen | TheWarden: probaly bash |
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| 16:25.01 | woshty | nope, no X at all .. just the 3.2 bpo kernel for squeeze |
| 16:25.04 | danols_work | hi all - apt-get source zabbix grabs bersion 1.8 but I wish to grab 2.0* I tried apt-get source zabbix=2.0.2+dfsg-4 - but it's not working any idea ? |
| 16:25.18 | danols_work | I think my syntax is a little off |
| 16:25.27 | gretchen | woshty have you tried the 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:29.10 | woshty | oh, i am wrong .. it goes to framebuffer .. but with a really bad resolution .. 2.6 seems to work |
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| 16:30.09 | woshty | how would i go about disabling framebuffer completely? |
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| 16:31.59 | gretchen | no clue |
| 16:32.11 | Sevet | woshty: the kernel parameters in grub |
| 16:32.19 | Sevet | a mix of nofb and vga= (eg vga=normal) |
| 16:32.25 | gretchen | id like to know how to up my resolution in tty1 myself |
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| 16:32.38 | gretchen | i get 1440p in gdm3 |
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| 16:32.54 | woshty | Sevet: can i set that globally for all kernels? |
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| 16:33.13 | gretchen | but if i switch to tty1 2 3 .. it goes to some bad res |
| 16:33.21 | gretchen | is there a way to fix that |
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| 16:34.01 | Sevet | woshty: i'd probably try it out first, press e at the grub screen to modify the kernel boot line then enter to boot with it |
| 16:34.17 | gretchen | in linux mint teh tty prompts are nice and crisp |
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| 16:45.49 | naquad | is there some wrapper for /etc/rc.d scripts? kind of rc x y z w start |
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| 16:45.58 | naquad | will start services x, y, z and w |
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| 16:49.01 | themill | naquad: for s in x y z w; do service x start; done? wrapper not required. |
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| 16:49.44 | naquad | themill, aha, service. i didn't mean exactly this functionality, just tired to type /etc/init.d/... |
| 16:49.46 | naquad | thank you |
| 16:49.59 | themill | or invoke-rc.d |
| 16:50.09 | danols_work | how do I do apt-get source package to get specific version? can I not just download the source myself ? |
| 16:50.24 | danols_work | I wish to use apt-get source package to get the unstable version |
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| 16:50.47 | themill | danols_work: if you have a deb-src line for unstable in your sources.list, then that is what apt-get source will do |
| 16:51.24 | danols_work | themill I can install stable/unstable but apt-get source package defaults to stable and i've tried apt-get source package=version but it can't find it |
| 16:51.26 | danols_work | I am puzzled |
| 16:51.52 | danols_work | https://secure.join.me/671-937-257 |
| 16:51.57 | themill | danols_work: sounds like you've not got a deb-src line for unstable then |
| 16:51.58 | danols_work | you can see my screen |
| 16:52.11 | themill | umm...? what? |
| 16:52.15 | danols_work | themil I have both, but PIN stable by default |
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| 16:52.37 | themill | !show sources.list danols_work |
| 16:52.37 | dpkg | danols_work: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 16:52.47 | MaddinXx | !show sources.list |
| 16:52.48 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 16:53.13 | danols_work | in the version list I see the stable/unstable ones |
| 16:53.22 | danols_work | by default it uses stable pin priority 500 |
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| 16:53.36 | themill | I'm not interested in binary packages... |
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| 16:53.41 | TheWarden | well then that was not successfully at all. I create an .xession file which called startvlc.sh & and at each SSH login it appeared to start the script which it shouldn't and when I tried to login vi gdm3 into X it wouldn't login anymore. As soon as I removed the ~/.xsession file things returned back to normal. |
| 16:53.50 | danols_work | themil that's my source list see it ? |
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| 16:54.04 | TheWarden | sighs |
| 16:54.05 | themill | danols_work: paste.debian.net, please |
| 16:54.09 | danols_work | yes |
| 16:54.11 | danols_work | one moment |
| 16:54.18 | danols_work | (who's viewing my screen ?) |
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| 16:54.34 | danols_work | http://dpaste.com/811614/ |
| 16:54.36 | themill | danols_work: there are 1200 people in here... |
| 16:54.53 | themill | danols_work: yeah, so there's no deb-src line for unstable there. |
| 16:55.07 | danols_work | Ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:55.30 | themill | danols_work: also, I'd recommend removing that deb line for unstable. That's not going to end well. |
| 16:55.41 | danols_work | themil it is just fine |
| 16:55.48 | danols_work | by default all my stable packages are pinned higher |
| 16:56.11 | danols_work | so automatically it install stable - only if I manually select it through aptitude it will install unstable |
| 16:56.17 | themill | pinning doesn't stop you from creating a hideous, unsupported frankendebian of a mixture |
| 16:56.27 | chrisirc | Hello. On a Debian server that I got already-installed, bash doesn't complete paths with tab when after some unknwon command. Quite obviously some complex completion rules are going on. How can I throw them out? |
| 16:56.37 | danols_work | themill correct and hence I use it with extra care, and only once I think so far |
| 16:56.46 | chrisirc | I've already copied over .profile, .bashrc, no .bash_profile, same as on my work station. No change. |
| 16:56.47 | cardamon | themill: If anything it helps you make a frankendebian. |
| 16:57.00 | cardamon | And then come the townsfolk and pitchforks and torches. |
| 16:57.08 | chrisirc | I've also removed the bash-completion package to no avail. |
| 16:57.41 | danols_work | in all honestly it works just fine guys. Aptitude in the package details tells me avail version and if I have some reason I install unstable, otherwise it's always stable |
| 16:58.10 | cardamon | You removed bash-completion and you're wondering why your bash completion isn't working? |
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| 16:58.50 | danols_work | ok back to deb-src I just add deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 16:58.52 | chrisirc | I *don't* want special rules. |
| 16:59.19 | fprophet | how do I properly install nvidia drivers on the latest version of debian? |
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| 17:00.07 | danols_work | why are there deb and deb-src ? |
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| 17:00.15 | chrisirc | cardamon, and the thing is that "cd /et<tab>" *will* complete. |
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| 17:00.53 | chrisirc | cardamon, hence, something more complex that I *haven't* enabled in my .bashrc or .profile is going on; why? |
| 17:01.01 | chrisirc | How can I kick it out? |
| 17:01.45 | chrisirc | I'm not sourcing any system files from those files either. |
| 17:01.52 | fprophet | when I try to install linux headers, I get unable to fetch archives errors. any ideas? |
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| 17:02.09 | fprophet | im using apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:02.15 | danols_work | would someone just clarify why we have deb and deb-src ? |
| 17:02.18 | daimrod | danols_work: because most people don't care about sources and just want the binary. |
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| 17:02.49 | danols_work | and how to manually specify which version to download with apt-get source package ? |
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| 17:04.12 | danols_work | apt-get source zabbix grabs the latest sources version, but when I try a specific version it says unable to find source package http://dpaste.com/811617/ |
| 17:05.12 | danols_work | these versions do exist: http://dpaste.com/811617/ |
| 17:05.13 | chrisirc | *ç%&*, /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh was still around, dpkg --purge bash-completion and finally I've got peace. |
| 17:05.37 | danols_work | chrisirc thanks for the 'purge' option reminder |
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| 17:06.23 | themill | ,v src:zabbix |
| 17:06.24 | judd | Package: src:zabbix on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.6-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.1-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; wheezy: 1:1.8.11-1; sid: 1:2.0.2+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:2.0.3+dfsg-1~exp0 |
| 17:06.31 | themill | danols_work: ^^ the version you requested doesn't exist. |
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| 17:07.11 | danols_work | ok I have deb-src to stable/unstable repositories, HOW to tell apt-get source package to install source files for either stable or unstable. |
| 17:07.39 | danols_work | themill it does though - that's why I am puzzled |
| 17:07.43 | themill | danols_work: apt-get source package=version for values of package and version that actually exist |
| 17:07.54 | themill | danols_work: it doesn't.... |
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| 17:08.17 | gretchen | k |
| 17:08.21 | danols_work | themil I know it's what it says - I'll paste what I mean |
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| 17:08.30 | gretchen | i uninstalled 3.2 bpo stuff |
| 17:08.35 | gretchen | back to stock kernel |
| 17:08.42 | themill | danols_work: look at what judd said about the available versions. |
| 17:08.47 | confusid | gretchen: if I may ask why did you go to stock? |
| 17:08.50 | gretchen | also uninstalled the nvidia dkms and all that stuff |
| 17:08.59 | gretchen | and installed latest nvidia.run |
| 17:09.03 | danols_work | ohh |
| 17:09.05 | gretchen | i feel so much cleaner |
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| 17:09.12 | boudiccas | danols_work, see what judd says, thats all the zabbix sources available. if you have different then you got it from outside debian |
| 17:09.13 | danols_work | but I just installed 2.0.0 |
| 17:09.15 | gretchen | i also blacklisted and uninstalled noveau |
| 17:09.25 | gretchen | did all my updates |
| 17:09.26 | danols_work | crap I am not making myself clear |
| 17:09.34 | gretchen | and now im all updated to 6.0.6 |
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| 17:09.59 | babilen | gretchen: Why do consider *not* using Debian packages for nvidia drivers to be a cleaner approach? |
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| 17:10.22 | gretchen | because nvidia-dkms would always keep my updates messed |
| 17:10.24 | TheCrowe | I'm having an issue with my debian server, where when the cable is unplugged from the network card and plugged back in, the IP address on the interface disappears. Is there a way to make sure it comes back when the cable is plugged back in? |
| 17:10.31 | babilen | gretchen: How so? |
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| 17:10.40 | gretchen | and if i try to update i mite lose video |
| 17:10.47 | danols_work | themill ok I just said I tried apt-get source zabbix=2.0.2+dfsg-4 it says package not found - is my syntax incorrect ? |
| 17:10.58 | gretchen | i jus feel much safer this way |
| 17:11.08 | gretchen | package manager doesnt know of nvidia at all |
| 17:11.34 | danols_work | slap on forehead, it's 1:2.0.2+dfsg-4 NOT 2.0.2+dfsg-4 |
| 17:11.39 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: It does not come back? |
| 17:11.49 | sney | gretchen: well, just hope you don't have an Xorg upgrade in the future |
| 17:11.50 | bitcycle | Hey all. I'm writing rules for a debian package. I'm wondering if someone could advise me on how to write a for loop to perform an operation on each line in a file? |
| 17:12.06 | gretchen | its fine |
| 17:12.18 | babilen | gretchen: Which updates get "messed" and why do you might lose video if you upgrade what? The problem with nvidia.com's drivers are manifold (cf. "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks") and you *will* have problems on kernel upgrades. What was wrong with the Debian packages? |
| 17:12.19 | gretchen | it wont affect it |
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| 17:12.31 | karlpinc | bitcycle: Use "read". man sh |
| 17:12.38 | themill | danols_work: btw just "apt-get source zabbix" would get the most recent version. In wheezy, you could use "-t unstable" instead (but not in squeeze). You may also like to look at debcheckout. |
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| 17:12.56 | gretchen | well i already ran it debian way |
| 17:13.00 | gretchen | and i didtn like it |
| 17:13.04 | karlpinc | bitcycle: (and "while") |
| 17:13.06 | bitcycle | karlpinc: That's a super short answer... can you elaborate? |
| 17:13.10 | gretchen | so its time to give nvidia way a chance |
| 17:13.21 | bitcycle | karlpinc: Can I use normal bash in the rules file? |
| 17:13.30 | themill | gretchen: you're allowed not to like it. Just make sure you work out how to unbreak it next time there's an update to any xorg related packages. |
| 17:13.37 | TheCrowe | karlpinc: yeah the interface does not have the IP, ifconfig shows nothing |
| 17:13.41 | karlpinc | bitcycle: I suspect not, but I'm not up on packaging. |
| 17:14.06 | danols_work | themill thanks I was trying the -t unstable/stable but it didn't seem to work - it always defaults to unstable version 2.0.2 |
| 17:14.13 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: That's after you plug it back in? How is it getting it's ip in the first place? |
| 17:14.18 | gretchen | why would xorg update break nvidia |
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| 17:14.24 | karlpinc | s/'// |
| 17:14.32 | danols_work | another newb questions how can I get version of packages ? aptitude versions zabbix complains package not found |
| 17:14.32 | TheCrowe | karlpinc: its in the interfaces file |
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| 17:14.44 | TheCrowe | statically assigned |
| 17:14.44 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: With a static ip? |
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| 17:14.49 | TheCrowe | karlpinc: yes |
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| 17:14.58 | themill | gretchen: because apt owns the files on your system and the nvidia installer randomly overwrites some of them. |
| 17:15.31 | themill | gretchen: next time apt needs to update these files, it will overwrite some of the nvidia stuff and the mess it generates is all yours to fix. |
| 17:15.37 | gretchen | oh ok |
| 17:15.52 | babilen | gretchen: Please believe us that our recommendation to use the Debian packages is based on experience. What problems did you have with them? |
| 17:16.12 | gretchen | well i didnt like using the backports |
| 17:16.14 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: This is a bit of a new one for me. I've not heard of the interface going away when you unplug the cable. ethtool might help. The other thing to look at is the output of dmesg and what shows up on the console. It may have to do with the driver that's involved as well. What version of debian? |
| 17:16.22 | gretchen | and it wasnt working w out them |
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| 17:16.40 | babilen | gretchen: What didn't you like about it? |
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| 17:16.46 | gretchen | backports? |
| 17:16.50 | babilen | yes |
| 17:16.58 | gretchen | cuz they are backports lol |
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| 17:17.06 | karlpinc | gretchen: See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, if you want more lecturing on using the package manager. |
| 17:17.08 | babilen | gretchen: What is inherently bad about them? |
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| 17:17.09 | danols_work | ,v src:zabbix |
| 17:17.10 | gretchen | im trying to stay legit |
| 17:17.10 | judd | Package: src:zabbix on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.6-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.1-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; wheezy: 1:1.8.11-1; sid: 1:2.0.2+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:2.0.3+dfsg-1~exp0 |
| 17:17.30 | danols_work | is there a way to get a list of sources like I just did ? |
| 17:17.33 | gretchen | what are backports |
| 17:17.48 | babilen | gretchen: backports are officially supported and maintained newer versions of selected packages in testing (development branch) -- Why are those bad? |
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| 17:17.57 | babilen | !tell gretchen about backports |
| 17:18.02 | gretchen | yea i dont want to be in testing |
| 17:18.14 | gretchen | i want a whole separate OS install for that |
| 17:18.22 | gretchen | i want to install debian7 beta2 |
| 17:18.23 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: Always start with the logs/console output, and demsg. The system wants to tell you what's happening. You could <pastebin> those messages so we can look. |
| 17:18.37 | babilen | gretchen: Yes, so you don't have to we officially provide backports |
| 17:18.37 | themill | danols_work: on your local machine? "rmadison zabbix" (that runs the same sort of query as judd against a debian.org server) |
| 17:18.50 | gretchen | i dont know backports seem weird |
| 17:18.59 | gretchen | its nice and clean this way |
| 17:19.06 | gretchen | as debian intended |
| 17:19.10 | gretchen | :D |
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| 17:19.32 | danols_work | no rmadison - and not package by that name |
| 17:19.40 | danols_work | s/not/no |
| 17:19.41 | babilen | gretchen: Backports cover the case in which you want to use newer software on stable (squeeze) .. nothin fishy about them |
| 17:19.45 | TheCrowe | karlpinc: here's what I could find....http://pastebin.com/jYxE0SiZ |
| 17:19.55 | themill | dpkg: tell danols_work about apt-file |
| 17:20.00 | karlpinc | !tell gretchen about overview |
| 17:20.05 | gretchen | well i had them because i thot i needed them |
| 17:20.07 | TheWarden | I think I'm about to scream |
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| 17:20.16 | TheWarden | I even set the DISPLAY environment variable within my script before starting VLC however that appears to not make any difference as I still get the same error. |
| 17:20.19 | gretchen | since i couldnt get nvidia to work w out them |
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| 17:20.38 | gretchen | but now that i know i dotn need them |
| 17:20.47 | gretchen | i feel cleaner w out |
| 17:20.51 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:20.53 | TheWarden | Either its not seeing the environment variable or its not the solution an "Error opening terminal: unknown". |
| 17:20.53 | gretchen | lol |
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| 17:21.02 | babilen | gretchen: Well enjoy ;( |
| 17:21.03 | TheWarden | https://gist.github.com/64d898e0399aeda94a2a |
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| 17:21.23 | gretchen | when is debian7 live coming out |
| 17:21.28 | danols_work | apt-file is awesome! |
| 17:21.29 | bitcycle | Hey all. Can someone advise me where to go for details on the syntax supported in debian pkg rules file? |
| 17:21.41 | gretchen | danols_work: u mean apt-get |
| 17:21.53 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: Let's look at more detail on the card. What's the pciid of the nic? |
| 17:21.59 | karlpinc | !tell TheCrowe about pciid |
| 17:22.00 | txomon|nqas | !emdebian |
| 17:22.01 | TheWarden | This runs fine when I running it manually but not via cron. VLC is just not seeing X or using the correct display is what I've been told but I'm not sure now. |
| 17:22.02 | danols_work | nope: apt-file search rsmadison :) |
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| 17:22.11 | gretchen | or is apt-file install from file |
| 17:22.52 | txomon|nqas | !emdebian |
| 17:22.52 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:23.05 | fprophet | I can't seem to get linux headers to install. I keep getting failed archives or something. Trying to install an nvidia driver |
| 17:23.05 | gretchen | wat is apt-file |
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| 17:23.14 | jhutchins | gretchen: wheezy will be released when the critical bugs are fixed. apt-file is a search tool. |
| 17:23.21 | danols_work | nice devscripts contains rmadison - themill but any way to get the version lists using plain apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 17:23.23 | karlpinc | !tell txomon|nqas about msg the bot |
| 17:23.24 | gretchen | fprophet: omg i jsut did this |
| 17:23.29 | gretchen | you want my awesome help |
| 17:23.38 | fprophet | gretchen: yes :) |
| 17:23.45 | gretchen | http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/debian-linux/install-nvidia-proprietary-unix-driver/ |
| 17:23.49 | gretchen | flow this |
| 17:23.57 | themill | danols_work: apt-cache showsrc zabbix|grep ^Version |
| 17:24.18 | gretchen | danols_work: apt-cache search blah |
| 17:24.20 | fprophet | I am kind of doing that right now. However, I cant get linux headers to install |
| 17:24.26 | thewanderer1 | gretchen: why not the Debian way? |
| 17:24.34 | themill | gretchen: ugh... that's exactly what we're encouraging you not to do. |
| 17:24.43 | gretchen | no i did it already |
| 17:24.46 | gretchen | i like it this way |
| 17:24.47 | themill | I know. |
| 17:24.52 | gretchen | i had it the other way already |
| 17:24.53 | damacus | fprophet: apt-get update? |
| 17:24.53 | themill | gretchen: please stop now |
| 17:25.01 | thewanderer1 | fprophet: what command are you executing and what error do you get? |
| 17:25.05 | fprophet | damacus: did. didn't help |
| 17:25.15 | karlpinc | fprophet: It's usually best to follow the offical instructions. The bot has them in <nvidia>, if you chase the factoids. |
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| 17:25.25 | gretchen | fprophet: type uname -r and tell me what you get |
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| 17:25.28 | fprophet | , I get unable to fetch archives |
| 17:25.29 | judd | No package named 'get' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:25.31 | danols_work | bows for themill - you sir are a gentleman and a fine scholar, thank you for the help! |
| 17:25.55 | lxsameer | how can i just unpack a package ? |
| 17:26.09 | karlpinc | lxsameer: use 'ar' |
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| 17:26.20 | lxsameer | karlpinc: ? |
| 17:26.22 | themill | danols_work: that doesn't tell you releases they come from -- you'd need some more sophisticated grep-dctrl for that |
| 17:26.37 | ansgar | lxsameer: dpkg-deb |
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| 17:26.48 | karlpinc | lxsameer: ar is a command, like tar. |
| 17:26.56 | lxsameer | karlpinc: nice |
| 17:27.02 | danols_work | rmadison has a nice output |
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| 17:27.20 | fprophet | gretchen: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 17:27.24 | gretchen | ok good |
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| 17:27.36 | karlpinc | lxsameer: dpkg-deb might work "better", depending on why you really want to do this. It does not sound like a good idea.... |
| 17:27.40 | gretchen | do you have any pending updates |
| 17:27.47 | fprophet | how do I check |
| 17:27.49 | danols_work | ok - so correct me if I'm wrong, debian can install from sources (deb-src) or binaries (deb), aptitude only deals with binaries, apt-get deals both with binaries and sources |
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| 17:28.18 | gretchen | system > admin > update manager |
| 17:28.22 | themill | danols_work: correct. Also, you're not installing source packages, only downloading them to the current directory |
| 17:28.24 | lxsameer | karlpinc: i need some configuration file |
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| 17:28.27 | karlpinc | danols_work: Debian does not really install from sources. It can manipulate/package/unpackage sources. |
| 17:28.32 | danols_work | and this would explain what apt-get showsrc zabbix finds a packages where aptitude show zabbix dosen't ? |
| 17:28.53 | themill | danols_work: there's no binary package called zabbix, correct. |
| 17:29.05 | themill | ,binaries zabbix |
| 17:29.07 | judd | Source zabbix in squeeze: Binaries: zabbix-frontend-php, zabbix-proxy-mysql, zabbix-agent, zabbix-server-pgsql, zabbix-proxy-pgsql, zabbix-server-mysql |
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| 17:29.20 | danols_work | themill yes no binary package zabbix, but source package zabbix exists --- how do they relate ? |
| 17:29.43 | karlpinc | danols_work: Well, it _can_ install from sources, which happens sometimes with stuff in contrib/non-free where external sources are fetched and compiled. At least I think it can happen that way. But that's wierd. |
| 17:29.44 | themill | danols_work: source package has a debian/control file that defines all the binary packages it makes; they're the ones judd just listed |
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| 17:30.25 | danols_work | so source packages are the things package maintainers make and maintain ? |
| 17:30.37 | themill | yeah |
| 17:30.42 | themill | dpkg: tell danols_work about nmg |
| 17:31.01 | karlpinc | danols_work: A single pile of source code can result in multiple binary packages, for when you don't need everything under the sun but just the relevant bits. |
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| 17:31.20 | danols_work | karlpinc 10-4 |
| 17:31.40 | danols_work | and with apt-get you can access these source packages but not with aptitude |
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| 17:32.01 | gretchen | apt is aptitude lol |
| 17:32.26 | danols_work | apt-get != aptitude |
| 17:32.35 | karlpinc | danols_work: Yes. Or with ftp or whatever and then dpkg, the package tool. Lots of instructions in the debian developer section on the website. (see bblin's nmg factoid.) |
| 17:32.58 | gretchen | aptitude-get |
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| 17:33.05 | gretchen | apt.....itude |
| 17:33.13 | gretchen | hahaha |
| 17:33.18 | danols_work | k thanks all for entertaining my questions |
| 17:34.01 | gretchen | aptitude is a front-end to the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT). |
| 17:34.02 | danols_work | gretchen NO apt-get != aptitude , apt-get showsrc zabbix has no equivalent to aptitude, apt-get is the old way, aptitude is the new way - my understanding |
| 17:34.08 | gretchen | aptitude is a front-end to the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT). |
| 17:34.12 | fprophet | gretchen: system is up to date |
| 17:34.13 | danols_work | exactly it's a front end |
| 17:34.16 | danols_work | it's not apt-get |
| 17:34.22 | gretchen | danols_work: anyhow |
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| 17:34.34 | gretchen | fprophet: ok follow that guide now |
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| 17:34.58 | themill | fprophet: no. please don't |
| 17:34.59 | fprophet | gretchen: I cant, it asks to install linux-headers and I cant get them to install |
| 17:34.59 | gretchen | u can skip installing kernel |
| 17:35.07 | themill | gretchen: please stop now |
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| 17:35.10 | gretchen | since u already have them |
| 17:35.14 | gretchen | so just do apt-get install build-essential |
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| 17:35.21 | fprophet | themill: I want to use the latest drivers for ym laptop graphic chip |
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| 17:35.28 | ag4ve | is there any way to squeeze a bit more compression out of zip? i need 200 k, -1 gives me 100 k ... i'm sending something to someone on windows, so whatever windows can read besides zip i guess would work too. |
| 17:35.35 | karlpinc | fprophet: |
| 17:35.41 | themill | fprophet: please don't use the nvidia installer as described it makes more problems than it solves |
| 17:35.45 | gretchen | leave him alone |
| 17:35.47 | karlpinc | there's a right way and a wrong way. |
| 17:35.57 | gretchen | if it doesnt work he can listen to you |
| 17:35.57 | fprophet | is there an inbetween way |
| 17:35.59 | fprophet | :/ |
| 17:36.10 | abrotman | gretchen: it won't work, that's already been proven |
| 17:36.18 | gretchen | it does work |
| 17:36.24 | fprophet | I just want to use my laptop and not have the browser stall while looking at a page |
| 17:36.27 | abrotman | until you update your kernel or Xorg .. |
| 17:36.27 | gretchen | and its beter |
| 17:36.31 | abrotman | it is not better |
| 17:36.33 | themill | gretchen: we've been through this loop several times already. Please stop |
| 17:36.34 | abrotman | you haven't a clue |
| 17:36.47 | gretchen | fprophet: msg me if u like |
| 17:36.52 | gretchen | these pppl are pedants |
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| 17:37.09 | abrotman | fprophet: i'd advise against folowing gretchen's "advice" .. it will leave your system broken in the future |
| 17:37.10 | themill | gretchen: that's more than enough from you on this. thanks |
| 17:37.14 | sney | gretchen: this is an official support channel. you are free to do whatever you want on your own system, but when you are supporting things in #debian you need to restrict yourself to debian-supported methods. |
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| 17:37.41 | sney | gretchen: if for no other reason than to ensure the person can get more support if they come back when you aren't here. |
| 17:38.03 | fprophet | okay, so. how do I do this |
| 17:38.21 | fprophet | my laptop uses an nvidia 8200m |
| 17:38.39 | fprophet | i dont see anything with aptitude search nvidia that looks like it relates to that chip |
| 17:38.46 | abrotman | that's a few years old, right ? |
| 17:38.47 | TheWarden | I even tried doing export TERM=linux before starting vlc via my script via cron but same issue. |
| 17:39.07 | fprophet | yes |
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| 17:42.34 | abrotman | fprophet: see what the bot told you ? |
| 17:42.40 | fprophet | yes |
| 17:42.58 | fprophet | I'm reading the link right onw. My concern though, do these drivers provide 3D acceleration? |
| 17:43.00 | TheCrowe | karlpinc: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E |
| 17:43.11 | abrotman | fprophet: that's the idea |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | fprophet: that's the Debian Way of installing the nvidia drivers |
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| 17:43.49 | fprophet | The Debian Way seems complicated and confusing :P |
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| 17:44.35 | abrotman | it's really not .. and the results are better in the long run |
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| 17:46.50 | fprophet | abrotman: I know little about linux in general. which method would you suggest |
| 17:48.03 | Quix0r | i had to manually shutdown network-manager (/etc/init.d/ script) somehow the network-manager keeps me "waiting for a connection" after an update |
| 17:48.30 | Quix0r | when I start it now, all chat protocols are turned offline |
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| 17:50.08 | Quix0r | any help/suggestions? |
| 17:50.42 | PerfDave | Quix0r: What has network-manager got to do with chat protocols? And what do you mean by "keeps you 'waiting for a connection'", and what is the "update" you've performed? |
| 17:51.02 | PerfDave | Quix0r: And why did you have to manually shut down the daemon with the init script? |
| 17:51.22 | Quix0r | PerfDave: I use pidgin here and it goes immediately offline and displays that message: Waiting for a connection |
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| 17:51.40 | Quix0r | because else pidgin won't connect |
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| 17:52.08 | Quix0r | it was package update (aptitude) |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | fprophet: the Debian way .. i've seen all the problems that come from using the .run from nvidia.com |
| 17:53.06 | abrotman | Quix0r: there's an option to use pidgin without waiting for n-m |
| 17:53.34 | Quix0r | abrotman: sorry, no. i didn't found it :( |
| 17:53.53 | Quix0r | -f, --force-online force online, regardless of network status |
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| 17:53.58 | Quix0r | that maybe |
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| 17:54.10 | Quix0r | hmmm, can I somehow debug n-m? |
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| 17:55.12 | PerfDave | Quix0r: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 17:55.15 | Quix0r | ah, logging :) |
| 17:55.21 | Quix0r | Unstable AMD64 |
| 17:55.31 | Quix0r | as usual over many years |
| 17:55.33 | PerfDave | Quix0r: Is network-manager running now? (the actual daemon, not a GUI) |
| 17:55.36 | PerfDave | Quix0r: Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:55.50 | Quix0r | PerfDave: no it is down now |
| 17:56.41 | Quix0r | I try it now with more logging |
| 17:56.44 | PerfDave | Quix0r: Why did you shut it down manually, and why haven't you started it up? |
| 17:56.59 | PerfDave | Quix0r: Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:57.10 | Quix0r | because it would prevent pidgin from coming online, and no i didn't check bug tracker |
| 17:57.18 | peterrooney | I have yet to see any convincing reason for anyone to use network-manager anywhere |
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| 17:57.34 | abrotman | peterrooney: and not really any reason to avoid it anymore |
| 17:57.39 | PerfDave | Meh, network-manager is nice and simple |
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| 17:57.57 | peterrooney | abrotman: aside from it generating all kinds of problems like these? |
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| 17:58.11 | abrotman | peterrooney: i'd wager his box is out of date and is only half upgraded |
| 17:58.19 | peterrooney | PerfDave: nice, simple, and interferes with a working system |
| 17:58.25 | abrotman | it really doesn't |
| 17:58.27 | PerfDave | peterrooney: I suspect this problem is caused by Quix0r running unstable, not by n-m |
| 17:58.42 | abrotman | it used to be a huge PITA .. it's worked pretty well since squeeze was released |
| 17:59.19 | PerfDave | n-m makes it nice and easy for me to jump on arbitrary wireless networks, set up VPNs etc. without messing around with root or config files |
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| 17:59.52 | abrotman | peterrooney: if your WM can use it, i'd suggest you try it, it's far far better than a few years ago |
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| 18:04.12 | Quix0r | here is verbose logfile: http://pastie.org/5025417 |
| 18:04.17 | Quix0r | level=DEBUG :) |
| 18:04.39 | Quix0r | eth0 is my main device and I have br0/tap0 here for qemu |
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| 18:09.23 | Quix0r | sorry for wrong coloring :) |
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| 18:09.57 | abrotman | fprophet: how are you making out with the nvidia stuff? |
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| 18:23.42 | fprophet | abrotman: I cant seem to install nvidia-kernel-common packages. They're just not found |
| 18:24.18 | thewanderer1 | ,versions nvidia-kernel-common |
| 18:24.19 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-common on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1; squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 20120630+3; wheezy/contrib: 20120630+3; experimental/contrib: 20120731+1 |
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| 18:24.35 | thewanderer1 | fprophet: well, have you enabled contrib in sources.list ? |
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| 18:24.44 | fprophet | the what in the who now |
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| 18:25.15 | saban | hi. anybody knows how to disable ipv6 in mail server? |
| 18:26.02 | thewanderer1 | fprophet: /etc/apt/sources.list ... you need to have the contrib and non-free sections enabled, in addition to main |
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| 18:28.21 | abrotman | fprophet: did you follow in structions about contrib? |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell saban about noipv6 |
| 18:28.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fprophet about contrib |
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| 18:29.10 | saban | abrotman: is there any other way to disable it without reboot? |
| 18:29.46 | thewanderer1 | saban: why do you want to disable IPv6? |
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| 18:31.29 | saban | thewanderer1: we have problem with our isp provider. they say that our PTR records are wrong... That they are pointing to ipv6 not ipv4.. strange but ok we will disable ipv6 |
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| 18:32.39 | format_c | saban, what won |
| 18:32.43 | format_c | 't help at all |
| 18:32.48 | format_c | you have to correct the DNS entry |
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| 18:33.11 | format_c | PTR records BTW can not point to IP addresses of any type. |
| 18:33.20 | format_c | PTR records point to names |
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| 18:35.12 | saban | format_c: dns goes to correct ip and reverse dns also works to correct domain... |
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| 18:36.34 | abrotman | saban: is this an IP you can shsare with us ? |
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| 18:37.38 | basic6 | hi, i'm unmounting a partition and a couple of bind mounts ppointing to that partition. umount says it's busy. lsof | grep sdaX lists 3 items with the same PID, called "jbd2/sdaX" and PPID is 2 (ktheadd]) |
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| 18:38.03 | basic6 | how do I stop whatever this is in order to properly unmount the partiton? |
| 18:38.19 | saban | abrotman: unfortunately i can't |
| 18:38.21 | abrotman | fprophet: okay, so the way it works is that there are sections of packages .. main,contrib,non-free ... |
| 18:38.28 | abrotman | saban: it's a public IP! :) |
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| 18:39.01 | abrotman | fprophet: so you'd use an editor like nano or vi to edit /etc/apt/sources/list .. make sure each line has ' contrib' at the end |
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| 18:39.22 | saban | abrotman: i typed it to you on privat |
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| 18:39.32 | fprophet | ok |
| 18:40.28 | abrotman | saban: i see |
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| 18:42.09 | tryy3 | hi iam trying to get connection from debian to my internet using wireless network but i cant seem to get it working, iam following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 18:42.41 | tryy3 | it says the network is down and stuff |
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| 18:43.34 | abrotman | saban: ask your ISP to show you what they're looking at |
| 18:43.54 | saban | abrotman: i pasted 2 more from pastebin :P |
| 18:44.27 | LtL | tryy3: what wireless device is it, usb pci ? |
| 18:44.43 | abrotman | i see |
| 18:44.50 | tryy3 | LtL dont you remember from earlier? |
| 18:44.54 | LtL | tryy3: i'll help get the packages if someone can help w/config |
| 18:45.25 | LtL | tryy3: i recall a gigabit ethernet but no wireless device name |
| 18:45.49 | tryy3 | LtL :S how can i check what usb pci? |
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| 18:46.01 | LtL | tryy3: lsusb or lspci should say the name |
| 18:47.14 | LtL | tryy3: is the wireless a USB port device, did you plug it in? |
| 18:47.43 | LtL | tryy3: i remember seeing the usb errors |
| 18:48.05 | tryy3 | LtL yes it is plugged in, and lsusb dont show anything and lspci shows alot of stuff |
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| 18:48.33 | LtL | tryy3: it is plugged in a USB port |
| 18:48.57 | tryy3 | LtL no directly into the computer |
| 18:49.01 | thomas12b | Hi! |
| 18:49.24 | thomas12b | I freshly installed debian via netinstall, but couldn't boot. Had only random colored pixels at boot |
| 18:49.34 | LtL | tryy3: tryy3 so its a card, lspci -nn should give a hint about wireless device |
| 18:49.50 | thomas12b | google showed me that in the grub I need to psecify at boot time radeon.modeset=0 |
| 18:49.54 | thomas12b | now it looks good. |
| 18:49.56 | tryy3 | LtL its a usb stick |
| 18:50.10 | thomas12b | how can I do it will be permanent? |
| 18:50.21 | thomas12b | i.e. that I won't have to enter this every time? |
| 18:50.24 | LtL | tryy3: but lsusb lists nothing |
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| 18:51.09 | tryy3 | LtL well it was like it was searching i couldn't do any commands so i was in need to stop it by doing ctrl + c or what ever stops a process |
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| 18:51.50 | LtL | thomas12b: you can edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg but any kernel change or update-grub will overwrite it |
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| 18:52.39 | fprophet | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/G8P2PvCT yet I still cant locate nvidia kernel common |
| 18:52.41 | thomas12b | LtL: thank you. So is there no other alternative? |
| 18:53.04 | thomas12b | to tell it permanently that this option is what my card likes? |
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| 18:53.46 | LtL | tryy3: do this, unplug it now, then plug it in a type dmesg |
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| 18:54.14 | LtL | thomas12b: i'm guessing there is but offhand not sure what |
| 18:54.48 | LtL | tryy3: dmesg will say what the kernel detected when plugged back in |
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| 18:55.36 | garulf | why network-manager-applet is not in the repository? |
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| 18:55.58 | tryy3 | LtL it dont wanna load/start the wireless, when i plug it in it should start get a blinking lamp but it dont do that :S |
| 18:56.01 | thomas12b | ok, thank you |
| 18:56.02 | garulf | If I want to use network manager but without installing gnome-libraries what I need to use? |
| 18:56.05 | abrotman | fprophet: you probably need it also with lines 12 and 16 .. and then run aptitude update |
| 18:56.47 | LtL | tryy3: does dmesg say anything about a failed usb device |
| 18:57.00 | thomas12b | and how can i make that the touchpad can be clicked by touching it and not hitting the button? |
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| 18:58.07 | tryy3 | LtL not failed just disconnect and stuff last line is 'usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and adress 13' |
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| 18:58.38 | p8m | garulf: wicd is similar to network manager but has a curses client |
| 18:58.42 | tryy3 | LtL nvm i did it again and now i got some more info |
| 18:58.44 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 18:58.56 | HardDisk_WP | i want to provide two friends with ssh access on my machine |
| 18:58.58 | thomas12b | LtL, I have no /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 18:59.05 | LtL | tryy3: now try lsusb |
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| 18:59.15 | thomas12b | the dir exists, but not this file |
| 18:59.15 | HardDisk_WP | but i dont want them to be able to see my home-directory nor those of other users |
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| 18:59.17 | garulf | p8m, yes, i understand.. but i don't want curses i want gtk. Why nm-applet is discarded |
| 18:59.19 | HardDisk_WP | how do I do this? |
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| 18:59.40 | tryy3 | LtL 'rt2800usb_init_eeprom: Error -Invalid RT Chipset detected.' and 'rt2x00lib_Probe_dev: Error - failed to allocate device. |
| 18:59.41 | garulf | p8m, or is nm-gnome the same of nm-applet? |
| 19:00.34 | LtL | thomas12b: i can't explain no /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:01.24 | LtL | tryy3: i don't think this device will be easy if it will work at all, perhaps a newer kernel |
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| 19:01.59 | thomas12b | sorry, I misspelled and did grep grup |
| 19:02.00 | p8m | garulf: the front ends I know about are network-manager-gnome network-manager-kde and cnetworkmanager |
| 19:02.02 | thomas12b | hehe |
| 19:02.07 | tryy3 | LtL :S |
| 19:02.46 | LtL | tryy3: i would move your machine closer to the router and use a cable until you sort this out |
| 19:02.52 | p8m | garulf: wicd has a gtk frontend |
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| 19:04.44 | LtL | tryy3: linksys yes? |
| 19:04.52 | tryy3 | LtL well i cant move it closer to the router :S |
| 19:05.03 | tryy3 | LtL huh? what is linksys? |
| 19:06.58 | LtL | tryy3: google has a ton of hits on that error, looks like a linksys device |
| 19:07.42 | sney | LtL: it's ralink |
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| 19:09.15 | nalex | I'm quiet new to debian and I'm often reading "there's only security fixes in stable". Does that mean there're no bugfixes once testing becomes stable? |
| 19:09.42 | tryy3 | LtL i belive its a dlink |
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| 19:10.13 | LtL | tryy3: linksys makes them. |
| 19:10.13 | sney | nalex: there are some bugfixes but the intent of the testing process is to eliminate them. |
| 19:10.15 | babilen | garulf: You want network-manager-gnome (see also "/msg dpkg apt-file" on how to find out in which package a file is) |
| 19:10.15 | garulf | babilen, thank you :) |
| 19:10.16 | LtL | tryy3: it may be a d-link, what does the device say for model like what is it! |
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| 19:10.46 | tryy3 | LtL D-link, DWA-140 |
| 19:11.29 | sney | it doesn't matter who makes the card since it's a rt2800usb. that means the nic chip is made by ralink, it's supported by the rt2800usb driver, and that's what you need to troubleshoot. |
| 19:11.48 | nalex | sney true, but it's impossible to find everything I guess. So assuming I find a spelling error in a documentation or a little gui glitch, then there will be no fix for it for ~2 years? |
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| 19:12.44 | LtL | sney: looks like the chipset is in a few different makers of usb devices |
| 19:13.09 | sney | nalex: sometimes there are bug fixes. the thing that absolutely will not change is the package version. your example would depend on the package maintainers. |
| 19:13.31 | sney | LtL: indeed, ralink chips are pretty common among a lot of different manufacturers. see also broadcom and realtek. |
| 19:14.03 | LtL | sney: so maybe modprobe rt2800usb ? |
| 19:14.33 | sney | LtL: if rt2800usb is printing errors in dmesg then the module is already loaded |
| 19:15.03 | sney | it does need the firmware-ralink package, though. see http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 19:15.22 | fprophet | abrotman: I followed the module-assistant method, however when I attempted to load a game everything was incredibly choppy. Any ideas? |
| 19:15.25 | LtL | sney: thanks |
| 19:15.55 | LtL | tryy3: im looking |
| 19:17.08 | sney | fprophet: did you reboot to enable the nouveau blacklist? also, are you on amd64 or i686? |
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| 19:17.18 | nalex | sney (and everyone else): then I got another question. My hardware is too modern for the current stable release. Can I use testing now and let it become stable or is a new installation of wheezy "mandatory" ? |
| 19:18.05 | sney | nalex: you can use testing now and let it become stable. the final update from wheezy (testing) to wheezy (stable) is usually little more than a couple packages with config files in them. |
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| 19:18.25 | LtL | tryy3: i'll fetch soe packages ok |
| 19:18.52 | nalex | sney sorry my English is not the best. Was that "little more" ironical or does little mean really little? |
| 19:19.28 | tryy3 | LtL k i got a P/N, FCC ID, H/W ver, S/N and MAC numbers if it helps |
| 19:19.28 | sney | nalex: really means little. by the time testing transitions to stable, all the updates and bugfixes have (hopefully) already been finished. |
| 19:19.43 | nalex | Because I really prefer reinstalling once it is stable if it protects me of problems later |
| 19:20.04 | nalex | hmmm okay |
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| 19:20.23 | nalex | and all I need to do is writing "wheezy" in my sources.lst ? |
| 19:20.32 | sney | nalex: correct |
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| 19:20.36 | nalex | cool :) |
| 19:20.39 | ujjain | io error on superblock detected < what can I do about this error, sounds scary |
| 19:20.45 | nalex | thank you sney |
| 19:20.48 | sney | ujjain: contet |
| 19:20.51 | sney | context* |
| 19:20.54 | sney | nalex: no problem |
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| 19:22.18 | LtL | tryy3: download firmware-ralink*.deb and wireless-tools.deb on my site |
| 19:22.28 | LtL | sney: thank you |
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| 19:22.44 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 19:23.00 | LtL | tryy3: whats the pciid |
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| 19:23.14 | sney | (usb devices don't have pci ids) |
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| 19:23.35 | LtL | tryy3: thats ok we have the model, its supported, grab those packages |
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| 19:24.03 | LtL | sney: ugh, i didnt know that, thanks once again |
| 19:24.19 | jhutchins | lsusb |
| 19:24.23 | sney | I'm helping the helper. |
| 19:24.24 | LtL | sney: makes sense, im not quite awake |
| 19:24.35 | sney | yeah, they have usb ids, but we don't have a database of usb ids that I'm aware of |
| 19:24.49 | jhutchins | sney: There's the interwebs |
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| 19:24.59 | LtL | sney: nice to know, i appreciate it |
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| 19:25.31 | jhutchins | Although rather obviously the OS -does- have a database of usbids. |
| 19:26.19 | jhutchins | Hrmn... "Protocol spec without prior class and subclass spec at line 4297". |
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| 19:26.40 | Chousuke | actually there is a /usr/share/misc/usb.ids from usbutils |
| 19:27.50 | LtL | Chousuke: thanks |
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| 19:28.04 | Chousuke | I actually learned this just the other day trying to figure out what it would take to get a newer udev and systemd working on debian (turns out, longer than one weekend, for me at least) |
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| 19:28.52 | jmd | What is it that sets the xkezmap on login_ And how can I stop it doing that_ |
| 19:29.03 | sney | systemd is supposed to be the default eventually, I think |
| 19:29.08 | Chousuke | It's kind of fun installing your own version of a core package and then seeing what breaks. btrfs helps with recovery :P |
| 19:29.32 | Chousuke | I hope so. It's better than init scripts at least |
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| 19:30.53 | Chousuke | currently I've gotten so far that my system boots with a newer udev and systemd but X doesn't come up and something seems to be seriously breaking with rsyslog (I get a couple thousand messages in the journal about it trying to start and failing) |
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| 19:31.46 | Chousuke | the X stuff probably isn't working because the newer libudev seems to require a recompile of packages depending on it. |
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| 19:33.43 | abrotman | fprophet: did you reboot adfter th install? |
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| 19:34.49 | woshty | i failed so far to disable framebuffer with the bpo kernel. any ideas other than nofb vga=normal? i do not see any module i could blacklist either .. |
| 19:36.00 | tryy3 | LtL i need a another package |
| 19:36.02 | jeredepp | i need to import a pretty large file into a programm, but i need to put redirect another file first so in one file, i set the options and in the other one i do the operations, but i can't edit the second file because it's too big, how do i do that? |
| 19:36.32 | tryy3 | , depends wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64 |
| 19:36.33 | judd | No package named 'wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:36.36 | tryy3 | -.- |
| 19:36.38 | jeredepp | programm < textfile1 < textfile2, something like that |
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| 19:36.57 | tryy3 | LtL i need libiw30 |
| 19:37.03 | Chousuke | cat textfile1 textfile2 | program? |
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| 19:38.01 | jelly-home | Chousuke: you win a Useful Use of Cat Award! |
| 19:38.22 | jeredepp | Chousuke: it's a sql dump which i'm importing to mysql so it would be mysqlcommand < cat firstfile secondfile ? |
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| 19:38.56 | LtL | tryy3: ok, sec. |
| 19:39.11 | babilen | tryy3: Try "/msg judd depends wireless-tools" and if you want another release you can do, for example, "/msg judd depends wireless-tools --release wheezy" |
| 19:39.25 | Chousuke | jeredepp: if concatenating files is not a useful use of cat then I don't know what is. :) |
| 19:39.35 | tryy3 | babilen k ty |
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| 19:39.50 | jeredepp | well let's just try it then |
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| 19:40.12 | babilen | tryy3: You can also use "apt-cache depends wireless-tools" locally fwiw |
| 19:40.20 | LtL | tryy3: its there |
| 19:40.27 | tryy3 | babilen k |
| 19:40.28 | Chousuke | jeredepp: yeah it's probably easier with a pipe |
| 19:40.32 | tryy3 | LtL ok gonna download it |
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| 19:41.06 | LtL | tryy3: im downloading coffee fyi :D |
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| 19:41.42 | jeredepp | mysqlcommand < firstfile | secondfile ? I'm not sure of the direction |
| 19:41.58 | Chousuke | jeredepp: no, just "cat file1 file2 | mysqlcommand" |
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| 19:42.14 | Chousuke | cat joins the files together, the pipe sends the output to mysqlcommand |
| 19:42.33 | jeredepp | allright, thanks i just don't want to mess things up because it's a 40gb file and i don't want it to fill my partition |
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| 19:43.17 | tryy3 | LtL lol, i forgot to umount the cdrom so i was like 'why aren't you opening -.-' :D |
| 19:43.20 | LtL | thomas12b: xserver-xorg-video-radeon may be what you need but ask an expert first. |
| 19:43.33 | Chousuke | jeredepp: just make sure that the concatenation of the two files actually makes sense in the first place |
| 19:43.41 | LtL | tryy3: yeah that'll happen |
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| 19:44.07 | jeredepp | Chousuke: seems to work fine, yeah it's a huuuuuge dump and i need to disable binlog logging first |
| 19:44.19 | jeredepp | so i'm guessing it makes sense |
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| 19:46.17 | drigolli2r | hi all |
| 19:47.43 | thomas12b | LtL, is that a runnable command or is that for the grub.cfg or for anything else? |
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| 19:48.29 | Chousuke | woshty: did you try disabling kernel mode setting, if that's possible for your graphics driver? |
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| 19:48.44 | tryy3 | LtL there now i got everything installed |
| 19:49.06 | woshty | Chousuke: how would i do that? |
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| 19:50.47 | Chousuke | it's driver specific :/ |
| 19:51.10 | Chousuke | was your graphics chip cedarview or something? I found this much http://people.freedesktop.org/~zhen/cedarview/README.cedarview |
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| 19:52.47 | LtL | tryy3: ok unplug and plugin the device |
| 19:53.17 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 19:53.19 | LtL | tryy3: then try iwconfig |
| 19:53.35 | saban | hi. ok i had some problems with ipv6 and mail server.. so i disable ipv6 with echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf && /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf => use-ipv6=no //// and i also commented "#" ipv6 lines in hosts.. now i want to fix ipv6 so how to enable ipv6 again? i disable it in first place yust to see if there is problem on our server. tnx |
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| 19:53.43 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/t3ekr8fu0pi2iqj/20121009_215416.jpg thats what happens now when i do lsusb |
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| 19:54.41 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:54.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.30-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:54.52 | LtL | tryy3: oh $hit |
| 19:55.25 | jhutchins | What are the different portions of a kernel version called? 2.xxx 2.6... 2.6.18... 2.6.32-5... |
| 19:55.40 | tryy3 | LtL when i do iwconfig this what happens: 'lo no wireless extensions.' 'eth0 no wireless extensions' 'wlan 0 Ralin STA ESSID: "" Nickname:"T2870STA" and some other shit' |
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| 19:56.54 | LtL | tryy3: well, that looks promising actually |
| 19:57.05 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok :P |
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| 19:58.06 | LtL | tryy3: lsusb -vv |
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| 19:58.32 | tryy3 | LtL ok what am i looking for now? |
| 19:58.50 | LtL | tryy3: a bus id in hex format |
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| 19:59.55 | LtL | tryy3: probably says ralink |
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| 20:01.05 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/51vltnu15axtqn1/20121009_220216.jpg |
| 20:01.38 | tryy3 | LtL o.O the usb is blinking btw :D |
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| 20:01.56 | LtL | tryy3: type dmesg again see if it loaded a driver |
| 20:02.07 | LtL | tryy3: blinking is good |
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| 20:02.46 | tryy3 | LtL no error or anything on dmesg so i belive it loaded it |
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| 20:03.41 | dummy_ | hi, does someone know how to search for single characters in vim ? |
| 20:03.53 | LtL | tryy3: ok, do this just for starters, chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:04.16 | LtL | tryy3: then nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:04.44 | tryy3 | LtL k now? |
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| 20:05.03 | tryy3 | LtL oh here where i added a few things (it told me that from the wiki page |
| 20:05.11 | LtL | tryy3: ok, type the info into that file verbatum, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 20:05.30 | LtL | tryy3: use your ssid etc |
| 20:05.39 | Aether | dummy_: Press esc on your keyboard and make sure you're in command mode and type / and then the charactor or regex that you wish to search and then press enter |
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| 20:05.59 | tryy3 | LtL http://pastebay.net/1149851 thats what i added, but i changed 'mynetworkname' to what the network is named (from my lappy) same with password |
| 20:06.01 | Aether | It will highlight all of them matches, press n to jump between them |
| 20:06.22 | Aether | Also, to un-highlight them type :nohl |
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| 20:07.13 | LtL | tryy3: ifup wlan0 |
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| 20:08.10 | tryy3 | LtL its loading, but so far it looks okej |
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| 20:08.23 | LtL | tryy3: damn i hope so |
| 20:08.27 | tryy3 | LtL no errore yet |
| 20:08.32 | tryy3 | LtL errors* |
| 20:09.07 | LtL | tryy3: does ifconfig show wlan0 |
| 20:09.29 | LtL | tryy3: or iwconfig possibly, im not on wifi atm |
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| 20:10.49 | tryy3 | LtL http://pastebay.net/1149851 |
| 20:10.56 | tryy3 | LtL opps wrong link |
| 20:11.01 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/0txuu5dnosxeak5/20121009_221235.jpg there |
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| 20:12.26 | carandraug | hey! I think I may have a bug to report on gcc. Can this be possible? Compiling some stuff I get a buch of errors coming down from /usr/include/c++/4.7/ |
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| 20:12.38 | Onkeltem | Hi all |
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| 20:12.52 | LtL | tryy3: well its trying to grab a lease.. are you using the correct protocol i.e wps-psk? |
| 20:13.13 | LtL | tryy3: wpa rather |
| 20:13.32 | tryy3 | LtL yes |
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| 20:14.09 | LtL | tryy3: hrm, i don't know what to try atm. |
| 20:14.12 | Onkeltem | I'm selecting new operating system for a web server and since I have Ubuntu on my desktop I was ready to use Ubuntu Server there. But when I opened a list of available OSes to autoinstall, I saw Debian 6 there and sarted doubting about the right choice |
| 20:14.25 | carandraug | http://paste.debian.net/198251/ <--- this is the error. WOuld gcc be the right project to submit the report? |
| 20:14.28 | Onkeltem | Any pros cons for Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 20:14.51 | LtL | tryy3: maybe restarting the network would help.. i grasping at straws here |
| 20:15.23 | carandraug | Onkeltem, if you ask on #debian, everyonw will tell you to use debian. Answer might change if you ask on #ubuntu |
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| 20:16.00 | tryy3 | LtL maybe :S |
| 20:16.13 | LtL | tryy3: youre really close |
| 20:16.32 | tryy3 | LtL brb i gonna try restart try think of more solution while iam off |
| 20:16.35 | Onkeltem | carandraug: I'm smart enough to here and weight several opinions. Debian users know advantages of their system, otherwise they wouldn't be here :) |
| 20:16.39 | Onkeltem | hear* |
| 20:16.47 | LtL | tryy3: ok, i'll get coffee |
| 20:17.20 | Onkeltem | carandraug: I came to Ubuntu from Debian. So I'm not a newbie. But this happened some years ago, things could change |
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| 20:18.02 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Onkeltem about why debian |
| 20:18.02 | thewanderer1 | Onkeltem: well, it's stable, and upgrades don't break the system between releases. also packages are high-quality and tested/debugged for months before release... |
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| 20:22.52 | tryy3 | back |
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| 20:23.45 | tryy3 | LtL HURRAY i got internet :D |
| 20:24.18 | PerfDave | Onkeltem: I'd use Debian. But then I'd use Debian over Ubuntu any day. |
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| 20:24.54 | woshty | i managed to reduce my strange scrolling problem in aptitude and vim .. it happens with bpo 3.2 kernel WITHOUT framebuffer. if i manually load uvesafb it disappears. |
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| 20:25.22 | Onkeltem | PerfDave: From day to day I get more and more positive messages from ex. Ubuntu desktop users who migrated to Debian (sid) |
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| 20:25.46 | TheWarden | I would like to start VLC automatically after a successful X session login. What would be the best way to do this? Presently I was doing it under the user's crontab but I keep getting "Error opening terminal: unknown". I've tried doing it under ~/.xsession and same issue. |
| 20:25.49 | Onkeltem | PerfDave: Gnome 3 is more stable they say. This is key feature for me since I like it a lot. |
| 20:26.12 | TheWarden | I've also tried doing it vi ~/.config/autostart/vlc.desktop but oddly its not working either. |
| 20:26.24 | woshty | TheWarden: what wm are you using? |
| 20:26.31 | Onkeltem | PerfDave: so most likely I'll join Debian community back soon :) |
| 20:26.32 | PerfDave | Onkeltem: I don't use Gnome, so I don't care. But then I wouldn't recommend people use sid either. |
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| 20:26.48 | TheWarden | woshty: I'm using LXDE |
| 20:27.41 | TheWarden | woshty: oh ops I mean gdm3 |
| 20:28.37 | karlpinc | PerfDave: Sid may be slightly more sane at the moment because of the freeze, or maybe not. I don't really know how that works. These things seem to go in cycles. Debian picks up users as a new release approaches, then after a while bitch about the lack of <sns>. |
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| 20:28.53 | ratcheer | TheWarden: How about etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart ? |
| 20:28.54 | TheWarden | I want to start VLC via a script and it does work fine when ran manually but not when ran via cron so now I'm trying to think of other avenues to go that could work. I'm drawing at straws here.. so frustrated. |
| 20:29.20 | PerfDave | karlpinc: Slightly more sane than what? I use stable on my systems :) |
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| 20:29.28 | PerfDave | TheWarden: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:29.34 | karlpinc | TheWarden: If it does not work from cron then it's probably a PATH issue. (man crontab.) |
| 20:29.37 | TheWarden | ratcheer: well that would be globally for all users I believe. I'm just doing it under the specific user's home. Which works for other things such as x11vnc, and so on. |
| 20:29.49 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Exactly. Why run from cron? |
| 20:29.54 | TheWarden | okay folks let me explain further. |
| 20:29.57 | karlpinc | PerfDave: I prefer stable too. |
| 20:30.09 | ratcheer | Ok, then ~/.config/openbox/autostart |
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| 20:30.35 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: why did it not work from .xsession? did it produce an error message? |
| 20:31.00 | PerfDave | Hang on people, let's try to work out what TheWarden is trying to achieve, so we can best advise on the way to achieve it ;) |
| 20:31.26 | TheWarden | I'm running VLC with RC (remote control) interface via a script. The script starts the player if its not running, adds content to the playlist and starts playing. If its not running it starts it again. This is all done via a crontab but unfortunately it doesn't work when using cron for some reason. https://gist.github.com/64d898e0399aeda94a2a |
| 20:31.38 | tryy3 | LtL gonna get ssh and scp so i can lay in my bed then wanna help me get the X server working? |
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| 20:31.59 | PerfDave | TheWarden: You're trying to set up a dumb terminal you can remote control for media playback, sort of like XBMC? |
| 20:31.59 | TheWarden | it all works fine ran manually. So I started thinking after talking to a few people and I could start it VLC first via a different means but thus far no go. |
| 20:32.44 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: what error message are you getting when you try to start it from those scripts? |
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| 20:32.53 | LtL | tryy3: how are you preventing it from starting now? |
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| 20:33.03 | TheWarden | when I mean it doesn't work it runs then it runs again the script that is and adds content and then crashes just before that it gives an "Error opening terminal: unknown". |
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| 20:33.22 | tryy3 | LtL how iam preventing what from starting? |
| 20:33.30 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I don't think its a path issue but rather a display/environment issue. Its not finding the display or X to display the video. |
| 20:33.49 | PerfDave | TheWarden: How are you getting logged in to X in the first place? Automatically on boot? |
| 20:34.00 | LtL | tryy3: your DE, Gnome im guessing |
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| 20:34.14 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: Well I tried it from there and as soon as I did I could no longer login to X anymore. It would be stuck in a loop... try to login takes me back to login screen. try again and same thing over and over. As soon as I removed the code it worked again. |
| 20:34.24 | tryy3 | LtL well its not starting at all :D |
| 20:34.40 | LtL | tryy3: so iy just drops to console right |
| 20:35.00 | tryy3 | LtL yes |
| 20:35.03 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: well, use an autostart script instead of .xsession, as recommended |
| 20:35.10 | TheWarden | PerfDave: Its a server to player setup. The system plays fullscreen content continuously and it adds/removes content when there is changes made on the server as it checks in every so often. This way one can track what is being played, how long, etc. |
| 20:35.12 | LtL | tryy3: did a restart get the wifi to work |
| 20:35.23 | tryy3 | LtL btw didn't i need to edit a file or something? |
| 20:35.25 | tryy3 | LtL yep |
| 20:35.30 | tryy3 | LtL working now |
| 20:35.34 | TheWarden | PerfDave: Auto login |
| 20:35.39 | LtL | tryy3: it did, great |
| 20:35.42 | TheWarden | the system is being used like a kiosk |
| 20:35.58 | PerfDave | TheWarden: OK, so you're using what, lxdm? kdm? gdm? to do the auto login? |
| 20:36.22 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: tried that, doesn't work. At least as far as I can tell. Maybe I have code wrong, let me post that to show. |
| 20:36.26 | PerfDave | has something similar, but it's a VNC session that auto-starts on boot and spawns a load of graphical programs |
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| 20:36.40 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: the fact is though if VLC process dies I need to start it again some how. |
| 20:36.47 | LtL | tryy3: yeah you could tweak /etc/apt/sources.list just append contrib non-free after the word 'main' same line, then update but that can wait, your call |
| 20:36.53 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: first, get a dummy script such as xeyes to work, so that you know your autostart hook actually runs |
| 20:36.56 | TheWarden | PerfDave: I'm using gdm3 with LXDE |
| 20:37.16 | tryy3 | LtL oh ok then i guess i wait until i need to do it :D |
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| 20:37.30 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I have x11vnc and another script running fine via autostart. I'll get what I have. one minute. |
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| 20:38.40 | PerfDave | TheWarden: You might want to look at avoiding a DE entirely if you're just running one app fullscreen. |
| 20:39.06 | LtL | tryy3: apt-get install ssh |
| 20:39.23 | LtL | tryy3: its the meta-package, client/server |
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| 20:39.30 | LtL | i think. |
| 20:39.32 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay here is the startup script along with the autostart file, https://gist.github.com/f0dcbd49313861ca3c37. |
| 20:39.38 | tryy3 | LtL ' E: Package 'ssh' has no installation candidate' |
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| 20:39.47 | LtL | sney: thanks a million for the help :) |
| 20:39.49 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: --fulcreen ... |
| 20:40.14 | TheWarden | PerfDave: DE as in desktop environment? Ahh not sure how I would do that but I do need a few other things in certain cases so can't really get rid of it all. |
| 20:40.25 | LtL | tryy3: ummm, let me look around |
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| 20:41.23 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: you're passing an unknown argument to VLC, unless --fulcreen actually exists |
| 20:41.29 | LtL | tryy3: edit sources.list and update that package exists |
| 20:41.54 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: oh crap... I didn't see this oh man. I've been working on this issue for almost a week I have blinders on. let me try again. |
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| 20:42.33 | LtL | tryy3: btw have you done any updates, are you running 6.0.6 squeeze |
| 20:42.57 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: also, I am not completely sure if the syntax you're using in that .desktop file is valid... try giving it just a script name without shell controls (i.e. no stream redirection) |
| 20:43.03 | tryy3 | LtL dont think i done any updates |
| 20:43.31 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/e9fu9b4769d9aov/20121009_224350.jpg |
| 20:43.42 | LtL | tryy3: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade # all in one line works |
| 20:44.03 | frikinz | TheWarden: what does this do 2<&1 ? |
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| 20:44.46 | LtL | tryy3: edit sources.list and comment the cdrom line, add contrib non-free |
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| 20:45.00 | frikinz | Never seen this. Rather 2>&1 |
| 20:45.07 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: it appears to be running VLC but I don't see anything on the display. Also when I look for the Unix socket file there isn't one present so for some reason its not reading the user's VLC configuration file. |
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| 20:46.22 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: how do you know it's running VLC? |
| 20:46.27 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay, I'll look at that. That is valid syntax as I use it via cron or when ran manually but I'll remove for now. I just need to capture errors etc. |
| 20:46.56 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: because I looked for a process named VLC. ps -u kiosk |
| 20:47.26 | TheWarden | frikinz: it IO redirection stdout and stderr to a log file. |
| 20:47.38 | tuvwx | i can't believe that i can't find a sinlge screen-lock program that (1) powers down the screen and (2) works well with libpam-google-authenticator |
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| 20:48.21 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: and you can't see the window? maybe it starts minimized? O.o |
| 20:48.35 | tuvwx | i can't get gnome-screensaver to power down the screen, and can't get i3lock to accept my password (with libpam_google_authenticator) |
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| 20:49.04 | woshty | do i need to modeset=1 with bpo squezze kernel to enable kms? |
| 20:49.05 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: nope its not there. which is normal in the mode I'm running but I can't communicate to the player via the socket as it doesn't exist oddly. So its no starting VLC correctly. |
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| 20:50.22 | DammitJim | how do I get vim to color my code for bash scripts? |
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| 20:50.32 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: when using VLC in RC (remote control) interface it puts it in a console mode in a sense where it listens for commands via a Unix socket. so my script after VLC is running checks every minute via cron to ensure its playing, and to add/remote content to the playlist as needed. |
| 20:50.34 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: does it show up if you replace your script with just a single "vlc" command, no loop, no arguments? |
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| 20:50.52 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: via vlc.desktop you mean? |
| 20:51.00 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: yes |
| 20:51.00 | woshty | DammitJim: /etc/vim/vimrc enable syntax highlighting |
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| 20:52.10 | tryy3 | LtL what lines did i need? |
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| 20:52.26 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay removed the io direction and same deal VLC running just not properly and no interface. trying to run just as vlc command |
| 20:52.52 | LtL | tryy3: comment out the cdrom line, and append contrib and non-free after the word/line 'main' |
| 20:53.17 | LtL | tryy3: follow me? |
| 20:53.46 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: so it runs in the background, but if you start a terminal and type `vlc`, then it'll show up normally? |
| 20:54.01 | tryy3 | LtL oh hold on i start get what you mean |
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| 20:54.32 | LtL | tryy3: put a # in front of the cdrom line |
| 20:54.40 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 20:54.52 | LtL | tryy3: the first deb line append main non-free |
| 20:55.12 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay just ran VLC command in vlc.desktop and no VLC process found. If I run vlc manually it runs and goes in to RC mode as its suppose to. |
| 20:55.17 | tryy3 | LtL and deb-src? |
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| 20:55.55 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: strange, something is not being run when it should |
| 20:56.10 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yup I typw vlc and it goes in the RC interface waiting for commands I can do at the shell echo playlist | nc -U /home/kiosk/vlc.sock and it will return playlist. I would need to add files to the playlist before it starts playing. |
| 20:56.16 | LtL | tryy3: you don't need to add to source but i suppose you can. |
| 20:56.25 | PerfDave | TheWarden: Try specifying /usr/bin/vlc instead of just vlc |
| 20:56.36 | tryy3 | LtL k done |
| 20:56.55 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: so it's not supposed to be visible until you add files? |
| 20:57.02 | crazydip | what's the easiest/fastest way to upload a built package to debian for sponsorship approval? i was asked to do so by a sponsor |
| 20:57.02 | tryy3 | LtL now do the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:57.08 | LtL | tryy3: yessir |
| 20:57.49 | TheWarden | PerfDave: okay trying that now |
| 20:57.50 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 20:58.09 | LtL | tryy3: now install ssh |
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| 20:58.55 | tryy3 | LtL its saying '0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] atm |
| 20:59.13 | LtL | tryy3: normal |
| 20:59.18 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: correct. I have a script as shown here https://gist.github.com/64d898e0399aeda94a2a that runs it and I can login to X go to the terminal do a ./check_player.php and the way it goes. Starts VLC, adds files to the playlist and starts playing. I then can remove and add on the remote server content and later it will check in and then locally make adjustments to the system locally. |
| 20:59.22 | tryy3 | LtL k |
| 20:59.56 | tryy3 | LtL k now stuff is happening .D |
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| 21:00.23 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: hmm okay... so your issue is not being able to start vlc from autostart, but it starts just fine from a terminal |
| 21:00.33 | TheWarden | PerfDave: I tried doing /usr/bin/vlc in vlc.desktop and it didn't make a difference. No VLC process found running. |
| 21:00.53 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 21:01.09 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yeah I can run it just fine manually but can't get it to go automatically. |
| 21:02.24 | tryy3 | LtL gonna run out with doggy quickly |
| 21:02.35 | LtL | tryy3: roger that |
| 21:02.43 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yes it doesn't have anything that helps that I can see. shows a bunch of x11vnc info and then some info about VLC RC and then multiple lines about it shutting down. |
| 21:03.45 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: see check this out, https://gist.github.com/64d898e0399aeda94a2a. see when I run this via a cron see the error it gives under vlc.log? And then look at the environment variables under three different tests. |
| 21:04.15 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: at least via cron it loads VLC properly but then craps out after it adds content to play. It just gets stuck in that loop. |
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| 21:07.30 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: also this is setup on a freshly setup system. |
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| 21:08.53 | gartenstuhl | hi |
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| 21:09.04 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: I think it tries to connect to D-Bus and fails for some reason |
| 21:09.23 | TheWarden | yup just ran my check_player.php script again manually start VLC ran the script again manually and ban it works. I see fullscreen video playing. argh. |
| 21:09.25 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: where did you put this autostart file? what other files have you got in the same directory? |
| 21:09.43 | gartenstuhl | I deleted several very big files but the space on my Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 cli system is still not changed. Where can I find the trash folder when it is not in /root/local/.Trash? |
| 21:09.46 | thewanderer1 | I think it's a timing issue involving D-Bus |
| 21:09.53 | gartenstuhl | find /|grep trash gives no results |
| 21:10.08 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: how did you delete them? |
| 21:10.36 | PerfDave | gartenstuhl: How are you measuring space used? |
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| 21:11.14 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well I do have some d-bus errors I think. Check it out, https://gist.github.com/f0dcbd49313861ca3c37 |
| 21:11.17 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: I found the big files with du -shx * like you wrote me yesterday and deleted them with rm -R |
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| 21:11.33 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: then they are gone |
| 21:11.40 | gartenstuhl | TheWarden: just with df |
| 21:12.39 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: here is what it is and what other files are present, https://gist.github.com/f0dcbd49313861ca3c37 scroll towards the bottom |
| 21:12.48 | TheWarden | gartenstuhl: df? |
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| 21:13.18 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: this looks rather good. I know it's a hack, but can you put a "sleep 10;" in front of your vlc-launching command? |
| 21:13.20 | gartenstuhl | sorry |
| 21:13.25 | gartenstuhl | PerfDave: just with df |
| 21:13.54 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: what looks rather good? where are you wanting sleep 10; ? |
| 21:14.54 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: the file listing is sane (no dbus in the same dir that would conflict), and sleep should be put in the same script that the vlc launch is done... like in startvlc.sh, before launching |
| 21:15.55 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: oh okay. like so, https://gist.github.com/f0dcbd49313861ca3c37? |
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| 21:16.25 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/yNVLVz5z this makes no sense. there is 36Gb used up |
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| 21:16.36 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: yes, and fix this miserable --fulcreen typo |
| 21:17.13 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: oh ops, yeah I did just not on that page. I'll do that. |
| 21:17.14 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: oh, you're in OpenVZ. abandon all reason now. |
| 21:17.19 | tryy3 | LtL back |
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| 21:17.57 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zszm2ypfhqhdsi/20121009_231917.jpg is those errors bad? |
| 21:18.56 | LtL | tryy3: i've been getting those recently, methinks it's their problem, server side, try later it'll work. |
| 21:19.11 | tryy3 | LtL k |
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| 21:19.40 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay and then change the vlc.desktop as well to Exec=/home/kiosk/startvlc.sh ? |
| 21:19.47 | gartenstuhl | thewanderer1: yes virtual image. ok, I thought I have 75GB |
| 21:19.50 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: and try again? |
| 21:19.58 | tryy3 | LtL hmm... i cant seem to find openssh server with apt-get :S |
| 21:19.58 | gartenstuhl | thx |
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| 21:20.36 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: that's the idea, yes |
| 21:20.46 | LtL | tryy3: ssh is supposed to be the meta-package, it has both but the name may have changed, i'm looking |
| 21:20.57 | tryy3 | LtL k |
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| 21:21.20 | thewanderer1 | gartenstuhl: you're not on a real system, df won't show you sensible things (nor will `free -m`) |
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| 21:22.21 | LtL | tryy3: try aptitude install ssh-server, it should pull in the client and maybe some other depends, aptitude is good for that. |
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| 21:23.02 | LtL | tryy3: install aptitude if you don't have it. ad update it same as apt-get |
| 21:23.13 | hidinginabunker | has anyone else had switching shells using chsh -s `which zsh`,? it appears to complete fine but when I log back in I'm back in bash |
| 21:23.29 | tryy3 | LtL looks like i already got it |
| 21:23.41 | jhutchins | LtL: It's installed by default afik. |
| 21:23.55 | LtL | tryy3: netstat -tunap do you see port 22 listening |
| 21:24.18 | LtL | jhutchins: i thought so, ok..thanyou :) |
| 21:24.22 | tryy3 | LtL no :S |
| 21:24.54 | LtL | tryy3: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:25.12 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: this entirely bizarre. VLC is running but again not properly. There is no Unix socket file found. |
| 21:25.15 | Guest26177 | I just installed posgresql daatabase and would like to copy the history of commands to a file. Would you please let me know which command I need to use. |
| 21:25.20 | tryy3 | LtL :S 'No such file or directory' |
| 21:25.32 | LtL | tryy3: its not installed |
| 21:25.55 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: do you also get an error message about not being able to connect to dbus? |
| 21:26.05 | jhutchins | Guest26177: history > file? cp .bash_history file? |
| 21:26.13 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I can see VLC process running but I noticed that it runs for a little bit and then dies and then startvlc.sh starts it again and so on. |
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| 21:27.07 | LtL | tryy3: seems debian servers are down atm |
| 21:27.23 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/dooa2f0v52risqh/20121009_232840.jpg |
| 21:28.13 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well I can't see anything visually. I'm looking at the VLC log the one I told it to turn for debugging in the .config/vlc/vlcrc file. and I have stuff like "main error: interface "default" initialization failed" and "main error: interface "signals" initialization failed". |
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| 21:28.49 | Guest26177 | jhutchins, I am logged in database psql as postgres user and I created database, user ... , now I want to see where is the history |
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| 21:29.04 | LtL | tryy3: openssh-server |
| 21:29.22 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: strange, X DISPLAY should be all set by then |
| 21:29.41 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: take a look I posted what I found in the .xsession file, https://gist.github.com/f0dcbd49313861ca3c37. |
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| 21:29.56 | tryy3 | LtL for aptitude it cant find a package whose name or description matched openssh-server |
| 21:29.56 | LtL | tryy3: packages.debian.net is down, security is having issues but repo's should be working, this is rare |
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| 21:30.12 | LtL | gah |
| 21:30.22 | jhutchins | Guest26177: Ah, don't know if pg stores it in recordable form. |
| 21:30.23 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: according to the .xsession file VLC is going into RC interface mode. One would thinkg. |
| 21:30.48 | jhutchins | Guest26177: There is always pencil and paper. |
| 21:30.49 | LtL | tryy3: its there damnit ... wait a few |
| 21:30.54 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: I imagine you would get more help from people who actually use VLC and know how it works |
| 21:30.58 | tryy3 | LtL k |
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| 21:31.36 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: lol one would think |
| 21:31.49 | LtL | tryy3: excuse me if i sounded irate, didnt intend to :") |
| 21:31.56 | jhutchins | Guest26177: Google "postgresql command history" - first synopsis answers your question. |
| 21:32.20 | tryy3 | LtL its okej :D you can be irate on my linux box :P after all hassle we done :P |
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| 21:34.35 | LtL | tryy3: i was just kidding with the damnit business, i cant get security updates, can't find the ssh package...bah! |
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| 21:35.49 | tryy3 | LtL :P i guess i wait until the packages.debian.net is up? playing unicorn dash on mobile atm :D |
| 21:36.03 | themill | it's .org not .net |
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| 21:36.52 | tryy3 | themill iam not gonna go on that pages anyway i just need to get ssh server working :P |
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| 21:39.24 | jhutchins | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/packages.debian.net says it's up. |
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| 21:39.38 | peterrooney | Uhh... why not packages.debian.org ??? |
| 21:40.36 | jhutchins | peterrooney: That says it's down. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/packages.debian.org |
| 21:40.39 | LtL | tryy3: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ssh&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 21:40.52 | SiDz | both are working here |
| 21:41.06 | peterrooney | It's fine here. (western canada) |
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| 21:41.26 | jhutchins | Yeah, I can reach it here... |
| 21:41.31 | LtL | yeah things are working again |
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| 21:42.22 | tryy3 | LtL weird that apt-get says its not working, oh well i guess i go with dpkg again |
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| 21:42.58 | jhutchins | isup.me says .org is back. |
| 21:43.16 | jhutchins | tryy3: It was down. It's back. Since we started the discussion. |
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| 21:43.38 | LtL | tryy3: apt-get install openssh-client, openssh-server |
| 21:43.49 | themill | it's a dns round-robin |
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| 21:44.37 | tryy3 | LtL it says openssh-client is already newest version and for server it cant locate the package |
| 21:44.39 | jhutchins | themill: Implying that it can be both up and down at the same time. |
| 21:44.48 | themill | quite |
| 21:45.00 | jhutchins | ,versiopns openssh-server |
| 21:45.03 | jhutchins | ,versions openssh-server |
| 21:45.05 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2; sid: 1:6.0p1-3; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-3; experimental: 1:6.1p1-1 |
| 21:45.47 | tryy3 | LtL maybe it thinks apt-get is like update thing and not install program? |
| 21:45.56 | jhutchins | tryy3: Perhaps you typed an extra p in the package name. |
| 21:46.08 | lusers | `versions gnome-core |
| 21:46.20 | lusers | ,versions gnome-core |
| 21:46.21 | judd | Package: gnome-core on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+2; sid: 1:3.4+4 |
| 21:46.39 | LtL | tryy3: things are just weirtd today, i dunno |
| 21:46.44 | tryy3 | jhutchins no its done |
| 21:46.48 | tryy3 | jhutchins no its correct * |
| 21:47.15 | tryy3 | LtL i tryed install pastebinit it couldn't locate that either |
| 21:47.17 | jhutchins | tryy3: So did you try apt-get install openssh-server? |
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| 21:47.36 | jhutchins | !tell tryy3 about squeeze sources.list |
| 21:47.37 | tryy3 | jhutchins yes |
| 21:47.46 | jhutchins | tryy3: We hope you are running squeeze. |
| 21:47.58 | tryy3 | i hope that too :S how can i check? |
| 21:48.07 | jhutchins | openssh-server should be in main though. |
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| 21:48.25 | jhutchins | tryy3: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:49.01 | LtL | tryy3: do that, paste the first deb line here |
| 21:49.09 | tryy3 | hope on... |
| 21:49.16 | tryy3 | hold* |
| 21:49.43 | tryy3 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jirocqfpcf7ivus/20121009_235121.jpg |
| 21:49.45 | tryy3 | there |
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| 21:51.18 | LtL | tryy3: put this at the top and update, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 21:51.40 | ptrkmj | i would like to download a file over http and and at the same time send it over scp (ssh), that means not store it on hd. is that possible? some clever pipe, perhaps? |
| 21:52.01 | TheWarden | screams out of frustration |
| 21:52.16 | tryy3 | LtL and then save? |
| 21:52.29 | LtL | tryy3: absolutely |
| 21:52.36 | jakenl | netcat, curl; look into that sort of thing. |
| 21:52.47 | LtL | tryy3: then apt-get update |
| 21:53.32 | themill | ptrkmj: wget and curl can output the file to stdout which you could pipe to ssh |
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| 21:54.20 | tryy3 | LtL doing apt-get update atm |
| 21:54.36 | LtL | tryy3: you should be good now |
| 21:54.46 | LtL | tryy3: upgrade also |
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| 21:56.54 | themill | TheWarden: are you still using that php class that kills vlc? |
| 21:58.05 | LtL | tryy3: after you get pastebinit you'll need to re-configure it, dpkg will send the factoid. |
| 21:58.18 | TheWarden | themill: still on the same problem. The script works fine I found out running manually but dies when running via cron after files are added to the playlist with "Error opening terminal: unknown:. https://gist.github.com/64d898e0399aeda94a2a |
| 21:58.18 | LtL | !tell tryy3 about pastebinit |
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| 22:00.54 | TheWarden | themill: the PHP itself is not killing VLC :) |
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| 22:01.14 | themill | $szKillVLC = shell_exec('killall vlc'); |
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| 22:02.05 | TheWarden | themill: oh yeah that's just to ensure its not running at that state. Believe me I've done endless tests it works perfectly when ran manually using the PHP script. |
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| 22:02.57 | themill | killing and restarting vlc is not something that you want to do with this as it will be running with the wrong environment |
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| 22:03.48 | Benkinooby | hi, is there software to measure wireless signal strength with high time resolution (i want to adjust a directed antenna) |
| 22:03.59 | TheWarden | themill: but if the process is not running I have to be able to start it again. This script is what starts VLC in the first place. What if VLC crashes, etc. this script makes sure it is always running and ensures the playlist has content to play. |
| 22:05.35 | TheWarden | themill: no I'm open to running a script another way to start VLC and keep VLC running and then use my PHP script to handle the rest after the fact. But thus far I haven't found a way to do it yet. |
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| 22:08.34 | freebird | you guys, please, my new installation of debian squeeze, with iceweasel, wont let me access the big part of the sites I try |
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| 22:08.48 | freebird | I get an "This Connection is Untrusted", for every single page, what should I do ?? |
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| 22:09.08 | freebird | facebook wont work, very weird, how should I proceed ? |
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| 22:09.39 | esto | TheWarden: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Nano |
| 22:09.41 | tryy3 | LtL sry my mom needed to talk some |
| 22:09.48 | esto | search for your error message |
| 22:10.27 | tryy3 | LtL still updating but it had some connection problem! |
| 22:10.28 | TheWarden | freebird: is your date and time set correctly? |
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| 22:10.55 | LtL | tryy3: no problem, you now have a network mirror, you skipped it in the install. |
| 22:11.07 | TheWarden | esto: what? I use nano but mostly use vi, why? |
| 22:11.21 | freebird | hmmm, nooooo |
| 22:11.27 | freebird | looolll TheWarden |
| 22:11.39 | freebird | good observation, I've just formatted a pc because oft hat |
| 22:11.46 | freebird | shooooo0ttt |
| 22:11.50 | LtL | tryy3: those connections have been weird, i they may being switching to ipv6 i dunno |
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| 22:12.15 | esto | search for the error message |
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| 22:12.26 | esto | the problem is not vi specific |
| 22:12.29 | tryy3 | LtL https://www.dropbox.com/s/ux6src3pxhl6byu/20121010_001347.jpg thats the connetion problem i got atm |
| 22:13.24 | TheWarden | freebird: been there done that :-). Always check your date/time in time sensative situations such as browsing web sites. |
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| 22:13.47 | freebird | true |
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| 22:13.58 | TheWarden | freebird: make sure the date/time change sticks and I would suggest using NTP to keep it auto correcting the time date/time for you. |
| 22:14.36 | LtL | tryy3: the line should look like this in sources, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:14.46 | LtL | tryy3: i think its the mirrors |
| 22:15.20 | specing | browsing web sites is a time-sensitive situation? Since when?! |
| 22:15.43 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys any way to fix the issue on libvirt not supporting network management? |
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| 22:16.00 | LtL | tryy3: ftp.us should be fine, you may want to use eu instead, should'nt matter |
| 22:16.13 | Dagger2 | SSL certs have validity periods |
| 22:16.17 | TheWarden | esto: oh I see what you mean, thanks. I'll read and see if I find anything. I've gone done this path earlier today but this appears to be more then what I've done so far of what I've read. |
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| 22:16.35 | tryy3 | LtL oh... i dont got a squeeze-updates line should it be under the squeeze main contrib ? |
| 22:16.58 | abrotman | !tell tryy3 about squeeze sources.list |
| 22:17.03 | Dagger2 | it should be pretty obvious if that's the problem, because your browser will claim the cert is invalid due to being expired/not valid yet, for a date that should be valid |
| 22:17.09 | LtL | tryy3: i'm not sure, try to pastebin your sources.list |
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| 22:17.51 | LtL | tryy3: like i said, ive been getting those connection errors lately too, erratic |
| 22:18.25 | LtL | tryy3: your install didn't go well, things were skipped |
| 22:18.27 | tryy3 | gonna test to apt-get update now |
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| 22:18.35 | moogler | Everytime I turn on my laptop, I keep on getting this error: [drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info] *ERROR* MUX INFO call failed |
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| 22:18.55 | moogler | Is there any reason I should be getting that? |
| 22:19.01 | abrotman | moogler: and then what happens? |
| 22:19.26 | engla | I think it's related to support for multiple graphics cards |
| 22:19.33 | moogler | abrotman: My laptop just sits there, acpi=off seems to be a temp fix but it messed up my resolution a lot |
| 22:19.42 | abrotman | moogler: uname -r ? |
| 22:20.01 | pzn | I use debian 6.0 + thunderbird... all ok, I like it... but some big imap mailboxes are making my notebook too slow and eating too much RAM. another problem with thunderbird is that in a big message with 3 attachs for example, it has to "download" the message 3 times... need advice about any good mail client for debian to replace thunderbird for better RAM + network performance for big imap folders... in the old times I used "mutt". any hints? |
| 22:20.05 | engla | that message doesn't have to mean trouble moogler |
| 22:20.12 | moogler | abrotman: 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 22:20.44 | moogler | engla: Yea that's what a quick websearch told me aswell, however my laptop just seems to freeze after getting that message |
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| 22:21.57 | zifnab | can someone explain how RPC works really quick? |
| 22:22.13 | thewanderer1 | zifnab: Wikipedia can |
| 22:22.23 | zifnab | i feel really stupid right now |
| 22:22.24 | zifnab | ignore that |
| 22:22.30 | moogler | Is there anyway I can disable my second video card? |
| 22:22.35 | zifnab | unplug it |
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| 22:22.41 | moogler | It's a laptop |
| 22:22.42 | moogler | :| |
| 22:22.50 | Rienzilla | errrr |
| 22:22.52 | thewanderer1 | moogler: what is the second card? some kind of NVIDIA? |
| 22:22.55 | zifnab | if it uses a different kernel module than the other one, you can blacklist that module |
| 22:23.05 | zifnab | (ie, intel hd 3000 vs nvidia something) |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | moogler: does your BIOS have an option? |
| 22:23.26 | tryy3 | maybe i should hange the source list to use swedish mirrors LtL ? |
| 22:23.36 | moogler | thewanderer1: Yes it's a nvidia card |
| 22:23.37 | tryy3 | change* |
| 22:23.38 | abrotman | tryy3: see what the bot told you |
| 22:23.46 | tryy3 | abrotman i did |
| 22:23.47 | moogler | abrotman: I don't know, I can check really fast though |
| 22:24.09 | tryy3 | abrotman thats where i got to know there was a swedish mirror :D |
| 22:24.11 | thewanderer1 | moogler: http://hybrid-graphics-linux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=ACPI_calls use one of these calls, also blacklist nouveau, and you're set |
| 22:24.12 | LtL | tryy3: i don't think its that, i have two squeeze boxes getting those connection errors lately. |
| 22:24.25 | tryy3 | LtL oh |
| 22:24.36 | thewanderer1 | moogler: at least that's what worked for me on a Dell L702x, when GPU-related lockups kicked in |
| 22:24.45 | moogler | thewanderer1: Thanks |
| 22:24.47 | LtL | tryy3: then it just goes away and work fine. |
| 22:25.03 | LtL | tryy3: try to install something |
| 22:25.07 | tryy3 | LtL :P but i ment wouldn't it go faster with .se mirrors? |
| 22:25.14 | tryy3 | LtL its still updating |
| 22:25.54 | LtL | tryy3: when i install from scratch i use germany... it flies so who knows, closer 'should' be better, isn't always |
| 22:26.22 | LtL | tryy3: be patient, this will clear up |
| 22:26.24 | tryy3 | LtL ah k i guess i keep it .us until i get time to do other stuff :D |
| 22:26.34 | LtL | i would |
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| 22:28.06 | LtL | tryy3: bookmark this, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:28.23 | tryy3 | LtL ye iam on that page already :D |
| 22:29.01 | LtL | tryy3: k, that sources.list is really important so use caution be sure its correct. |
| 22:29.23 | themill | just use http.debian.net |
| 22:29.25 | tryy3 | LtL k gonna be much easier when i get pastebinit/ssh |
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| 22:30.50 | LtL | tryy3: themill is right, that'll use the round-robin and use the fastest mirrors available. but youre ok for now |
| 22:31.03 | tryy3 | k |
| 22:31.17 | tryy3 | but i like .se links :D |
| 22:31.20 | tryy3 | they are pretty |
| 22:31.45 | themill | http.d.n is not a round-robin |
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| 22:32.12 | kupo | I erased my raid1 partition by accident on my system |
| 22:32.24 | kupo | could anyone advise on how to recreate it |
| 22:32.30 | kupo | the machine is still up and running |
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| 22:34.02 | LtL | themill: oh, my bad, thought it was |
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| 22:37.48 | pzn | kupo, what is "erased"? how/what commands did you use to erase? |
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| 22:38.59 | kupo | pzn: I was formatting a pendrive on the system with gparted and hit the wrong partition |
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| 22:39.14 | abrotman | did it complete? |
| 22:39.17 | kupo | yes |
| 22:39.28 | pzn | kupo, did you hit "/dev/sdX" or did you hit "/dev/mdX"? |
| 22:39.33 | kupo | there was effectively no way to cancel it fast enough |
| 22:39.36 | kupo | pzn: /dev/md0 |
| 22:39.56 | pzn | kupo, too bad... I don't know how to recover this |
| 22:40.00 | kupo | I'd found a few articles saying I could pull the copy out of in kernel memory |
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| 22:40.07 | kupo | in /sys/block/ |
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| 22:40.21 | kupo | pzn: thanks for attempting anyhow |
| 22:40.27 | pzn | kupo, how big is your HD? how big is your RAM? |
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| 22:41.22 | kupo | pzn: 8GB ram |
| 22:42.03 | pzn | kupo, and /dev/md0, what size? |
| 22:42.04 | kupo | checking... |
| 22:42.20 | kupo | ah it looks like it was the boot raid1 |
| 22:42.24 | kupo | not the main fs |
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| 22:42.40 | pzn | kupo, you are lucky! |
| 22:42.48 | kupo | pzn: we'll see |
| 22:42.59 | LtL | tryy3: just grab ssh, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ssh |
| 22:43.05 | kupo | the sad party is I was doing this to create a pendrive for another system I'm fixing |
| 22:43.14 | tryy3 | LtL its still updating... |
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| 22:43.27 | LtL | tryy3: wow. |
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| 22:43.43 | LtL | tryy3: how many updates |
| 22:43.55 | tryy3 | LtL i dont know |
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| 22:44.07 | pzn | kupo, if it the boot partition, you are lucky and at least your important data is safe. must go out of work and go home now... will connect again in 1 hour... |
| 22:44.25 | kupo | pzn: ok I'll be online for a bit if you pop back |
| 22:44.28 | moogler | Gah, that still didn't work :( |
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| 22:44.42 | kupo | moogler: nice nick |
| 22:44.47 | kupo | abrotman: any thoughts? |
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| 22:45.43 | tryy3 | LtL this looks like it gonna take a while so gonna go play tf2 |
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| 22:45.56 | LtL | tryy3: ok |
| 22:46.08 | moogler | Who was it who said they had a dell 7xxx laptop? |
| 22:46.27 | tryy3 | LtL btw is there any known ways to play c++ games on debian? |
| 22:46.47 | LtL | tryy3: i would think so |
| 22:47.18 | LtL | tryy3: install build-essential when you get time btw |
| 22:47.22 | p8m | tryy3: g++? |
| 22:47.29 | tryy3 | LtL oh then i gonna investigate that later :P if its not too many bugs i might considering changeing to debian :D |
| 22:47.46 | tryy3 | p8m no c++ games like tf2 |
| 22:47.50 | LtL | tryy3: and install os-prober |
| 22:47.59 | tryy3 | LtL ok |
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| 22:48.37 | LtL | tryy3: you need fuse, ntfs-3g and lots of stuff |
| 22:48.42 | tryy3 | p8m basicly games from steam |
| 22:49.16 | tryy3 | LtL k well its still updating... |
| 22:49.19 | Guest26177 | I am using Debian Wheezy and just installed Postgresql 9.1. Can you please tell me where postgresql database is located in linux |
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| 22:49.37 | LtL | tryy3: whats the download speed say |
| 22:50.31 | LtL | tryy3: how fast is that box? |
| 22:50.33 | moogler | 2/exit |
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| 22:51.03 | tryy3 | LtL cant remember |
| 22:51.09 | tryy3 | LtL anyway brb gonna play tf2 now |
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| 22:51.18 | tryy3 | LtL i come back later when its done |
| 22:51.22 | LtL | tryy3: good work, later |
| 22:51.25 | brian98 | Guys quick q |
| 22:51.53 | brian98 | I have some debian servers - debian being so reliable they are up a long time.. |
| 22:51.58 | brian98 | For example |
| 22:51.59 | brian98 | p 909 days, 5:37, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 |
| 22:52.17 | brian98 | I'm getting concerned. Should I take them offline to check disks or leave them running? |
| 22:52.21 | brian98 | What is best practise? |
| 22:52.30 | themill | uptimes like that are a sign or poor administration |
| 22:52.49 | abrotman | s/or/of/ |
| 22:53.10 | abrotman | brian98: uhm, so you haven't upgrdaed to squeeze, or installed a security kernel in 2.5 years? |
| 22:53.56 | brian98 | They are running 5.0.10 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
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| 22:54.37 | abrotman | and they perform what functoin ? |
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| 22:55.32 | brian98 | SIP proxies and media relays. |
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| 22:58.01 | abrotman | so uh .. external? |
| 22:58.20 | brian98 | external? |
| 22:58.23 | brian98 | sorry |
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| 22:59.49 | abrotman | internet accessable |
| 23:00.05 | brian98 | yes |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | feels like the lack of docs for vpnc, and especially network-manager-vpnc, is sort of sad |
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| 23:02.56 | brian98 | they are fire walled with only required ports open |
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| 23:03.39 | abrotman | brian98: squeeze hasn't had security support in quite a few months |
| 23:03.42 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | s/squeeze/lenny/ |
| 23:03.50 | abrotman | smacks himself |
| 23:03.53 | brian98 | :) |
| 23:03.54 | brian98 | I |
| 23:04.02 | brian98 | I understand this. |
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| 23:04.30 | brian98 | aside from this aspect I guess running fsck once a month is probably a good idea? |
| 23:05.12 | abrotman | on a mounted filesystem ? |
| 23:05.12 | TheWarden | good night all |
| 23:05.18 | abrotman | nn |
| 23:05.21 | brian98 | thats my point |
| 23:05.22 | brian98 | t |
| 23:05.23 | brian98 | ak |
| 23:05.31 | brian98 | taking it offline to run an fsck once a month |
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| 23:05.51 | abrotman | i'd be more concerned about the security than the filesystem |
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| 23:06.22 | brian98 | right |
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| 23:13.34 | brian98 | Thanks for your advice.. |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | what did you decide? |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | in reality, you should be working on your migration path to squeeze, or possibly even wheezy |
| 23:14.26 | brian98 | We have 11 debian servers. |
| 23:14.35 | brian98 | 2 of them are running that version of lenny |
| 23:14.41 | brian98 | the rest are all on 6.0.x |
| 23:14.49 | abrotman | well, as long as the rest aren't sarge or woody :) |
| 23:14.54 | brian98 | haha |
| 23:14.59 | brian98 | redhat version 4 |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:15.24 | brian98 | ….. |
| 23:16.14 | brian98 | Can I ask you about the requirement to check the disks from time to time |
| 23:16.19 | brian98 | do you think this is important? |
| 23:16.57 | themill | depends whether it finds errors or not |
| 23:17.05 | abrotman | I think that depends on what resides on the filesystem |
| 23:17.24 | abrotman | if it's a proxy where things merely pass through, probably not that important .. if it's hosting files, probably more important |
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| 23:18.01 | thomas12b | is there no package for i2p? |
| 23:18.30 | Guest26177 | I am running Postgresql, but I am not sure if the service is initiated. How can I find out? |
| 23:18.38 | brian98 | ps faux |grep post |
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| 23:19.15 | brian98 | or pg I dunno what the pgsql daemon is called. |
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| 23:19.42 | confusid | http://pastebin.com/s4U90ZX5 I'm trying to understand the sources.list/repos What do I need and what should I use? |
| 23:19.55 | confusid | the pastbin is what I currently have in my sources.list |
| 23:20.09 | abrotman | confusid: that seems fine |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | confusid: though, you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org .. use http.debian.net instead |
| 23:20.28 | confusid | what about media files, codecs to play non free things? |
| 23:20.39 | tryy3 | LtL i belive its on 26 packages atm |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | you have non-free enabled .. are you unable to play some media files? |
| 23:20.48 | ironm | Hello. I hope you can give me a hint. I am getting an kernel panic during the boot of iso image with the following error: |
| 23:20.51 | ironm | [ 3.216889] Pid: 1, comm: init Not tainted 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 Debian 3.2.30-1 |
| 23:20.59 | ironm | what does it exactly mean? |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | that's a panic? |
| 23:21.31 | ironm | abrotman, yes : [ 3.216819] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 23:21.58 | confusid | abrotman: tried to play a couple avi moves I have that I own on dvd. has sound but no video. also do I leave the /debian after http.debian.net? |
| 23:22.21 | Guest26177 | Can someone tell me where Postgresql is locaated in Debian Linux after it is installed and running??? |
| 23:22.34 | ironm | abrotman, full error text: err.txt |
| 23:22.34 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/198307/ |
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| 23:24.03 | ironm | Guest26177, what do you exactly mean? binaries, config files or the database files? |
| 23:24.17 | klync_ | ironm: idunno, i can only suggest this: go into bios and see if you have an option "reset ecsd"; if so, select it, reboot, then when grub loads, turn the computer *off* and start the installer after a cold boot |
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| 23:25.07 | ironm | hello klync. thank you. I try to follow your hint |
| 23:25.34 | Guest26177 | ironm, database files |
| 23:25.44 | confusid | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/7aQC3jRE This ok now? |
| 23:25.46 | abrotman | Guest26177: usually under /var/lib/ IIRC |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | confusid: and lines 18/19 |
| 23:26.20 | abrotman | ironm: it gives you a complaint |
| 23:26.23 | ironm | Guest26177, it depends where you define them ... e.g. in /var/cache/postgresql/ |
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| 23:26.51 | confusid | abrotman: done. Ty! |
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| 23:27.38 | ironm | abrotman, i does also "do_exit ... " and so on |
| 23:28.13 | tryy3 | while ago when i used ubuntu on my lappy i had some graphic issues on minecraft (that is a java game) and i got the solution that it was due to i had intel graphic 3000 or something is that an issue on debian too? |
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| 23:28.46 | thomas12b | I have installed tor now, but it does not find i2p with apt-get install i2p |
| 23:28.50 | thomas12b | where can I find that? |
| 23:29.10 | thomas12b | or do I have to compile it from source? (I have never compiled) |
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| 23:30.50 | barbarian | Hi |
| 23:31.19 | Guest26177 | abrotman, there is no IIRC in /var/lib. The version of Posgresql is 9.1 |
| 23:31.23 | barbarian | If i have a debian net-boot CD how can i figure out if it is i386 or x64? |
| 23:31.38 | remote | hmm |
| 23:31.44 | barbarian | i have burned so many, and i really want the 386-pae disk. |
| 23:31.57 | remote | did you try to boot from it? |
| 23:31.57 | barbarian | i am in windows at the moment |
| 23:32.02 | remote | boot from it |
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| 23:32.18 | remote | i think you will see if it's not i386 |
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| 23:32.38 | barbarian | i could do that, but can i not look it uo from within windows somehow so i did not have to boot from all disks just to find the correct one? |
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| 23:33.21 | remote | maybe put them in a bag, shuffle, boot one randomly until you find the one you want |
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| 23:33.28 | remote | and after install go invest in a sharpie |
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| 23:34.59 | Aleks3Y | hey guys, can anyone help me with bonding? |
| 23:35.41 | ironm | Guest26177, an example: postgres@sid:~$ /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/initdb -D /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/date |
| 23:35.43 | Aleks3Y | i have been using bonding rr with no problem with two interfaces, after adding another card, when i'm adding 3rd interface to bonding, speed goes down like 10-100 times |
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| 23:36.11 | Aleks3Y | i've removed 3rd, and speed is back |
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| 23:37.03 | Guest26177 | ironman, I am running Debian Wheezy and Postgresql 9.1. I need default location for the database |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | Guest26177: it has one |
| 23:38.27 | confusid | once the source.list has been updated I run? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and the system should be good at that point? |
| 23:38.39 | ironm | Guest26177, it should be in /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/ |
| 23:38.50 | barbarian | haha there is a file in the cd root with the content :Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1+%buildnumber% |
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| 23:38.59 | barbarian | so i guess i hit the jackpot |
| 23:39.05 | Guest26177 | abrotman Is it hidden??? |
| 23:39.43 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 23:40.22 | Guest26177 | ironman, 9.1 only has main |
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| 23:41.57 | Guest26177 | irnman, in 9.1/main is base directory is it the one?? |
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| 23:57.19 | confusid | should one creat a seperate /opt? |
| 23:58.10 | confusid | and is /usr/local the other place to install 3rd party items? |
