| 00:01.43 | peterrooney | confusid: /usr/local is more traditional |
| 00:02.34 | BenNZ | i think i have a thunar problem , but want to check its not a problem with permissions , when trying to access ssh://user1@ip.address from thunar's open location, i cant open files (altho i can read and write to the directory) , but when using sshfs everthing works the way it should |
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| 00:03.25 | BenNZ | i also have the same problems using the 'network' location , it opens i can access read/write , but not actually open documents etc , but i can if i use smbfs |
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| 00:04.15 | confusid | peterrooney: ty, I just found /opt is from root and is less then 500 mb :/ |
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| 00:08.45 | BenNZ | ok , maybe its not just thunar , nautilus is having the same trouble |
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| 00:10.39 | Guest26177 | ironm , thanks for your time |
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| 00:10.57 | Guest26177 | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:11.00 | Nethox | BenNZ, then it sounds like a gvfs problem |
| 00:11.45 | BenNZ | Nethox: ok , any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 00:11.53 | BenNZ | Nethox: or what to google? |
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| 00:14.02 | Nethox | No, because I didn't install the gvfs recommendation, just thunar as local file manager. I would start with the bugs.debian.org gvfs/thunar/nautilus page |
| 00:14.29 | BenNZ | Nethox: ok thanks |
| 00:14.32 | tryy3 | LtL it seems to be working to update now, but i dont think it will be done for quite a while :S |
| 00:18.39 | aguitel | is there anyway to enable single click to open files in desktop in xfce ? |
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| 00:20.35 | BenNZ | aguitel: in thunar , edit , preferences , behaviour |
| 00:20.37 | gnarface | aguitel: its open source software. there is *always* a way. |
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| 00:21.10 | baki^ | does the installer not support wpa? |
| 00:21.19 | aguitel | BenNZ, this not work for icons in desktop |
| 00:21.54 | Nethox | It must be a xfwm4 setting, not a thunar one. Maybe hidden in ~/.config files without a GUI configurator |
| 00:22.08 | gnarface | baki^: its my understanding that it only supports WEP (or unencrypted) you have to enable WPA afterwards because it relies on non-free firmware |
| 00:23.00 | baki^ | gnarface, thanks. i had a feeling that was the case. |
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| 00:23.21 | Nethox | Drivers like ath5k and ath9k can use WPA without propietary firmware |
| 00:23.32 | gnarface | WPA1 only |
| 00:23.41 | gnarface | right? WPA2 is a no-go in the installer |
| 00:24.08 | gnarface | WPA1 *might* work with a couple cards that don't need external firmware packages |
| 00:24.23 | gnarface | WEP should work with everything |
| 00:24.36 | gnarface | (but be little more secure than plain text) |
| 00:25.10 | baki^ | eh, i can change to wep for now. |
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| 00:26.42 | gnarface | baki^: you are only stuck with it till you complete the install and can add the contrib and non-free directories |
| 00:26.44 | Nethox | gnarface, WPA1 and RSN (WPA2) are supported by OpenHAL (the firmware used by ath5k and ath9k) without propietary software or firmware. Just the kernel and wpasupplicant. |
| 00:27.12 | gnarface | Nethox: news to me. so those ones will work in the installer or is wpasupplicant in non-free? |
| 00:27.21 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 00:27.47 | HardDisk_WP | i need a filesystem for ~1.500.000 files, each between 0.5 and 40K |
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| 00:28.20 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 00:28.23 | Nethox | gnarface, wpasupplicant is free ("main" section), but I'm not sure about the installer support for WPA/WPA2 support. But I am sure it is not a license issue |
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| 00:30.21 | gnarface | Nethox: that's just the way it was explained to me but sometimes a licensing issue is only an issue until one company decides to leave the wagon circle |
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| 00:34.30 | buu | I have two machines. One is connected to a monitor/tv, the other is remote. I want the remote machine to be able to launch gui programs and interact with them via mouse and keyboard while at the same time having the guis show up on machine 1's monitor |
| 00:34.39 | buu | Anyone have an idea I could pursue? |
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| 00:35.22 | gnarface | !vnc |
| 00:35.23 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 00:37.33 | buu | gnarface: I am running vnc but all the output shows up on the remote screen, not the one 'local' one |
| 00:37.54 | gnarface | i suspect that means you got them backwards :) |
| 00:38.25 | buu | gnarface: Well, I'm running vncserver on the 'local' computer, which is hooked up to a tv |
| 00:38.32 | buu | Then the remote machine runs vnc-viewer |
| 00:38.43 | buu | And when I connect and launch firefox, it only shows up on the 'remote' machine |
| 00:39.43 | buu | The terms remote and local are a tad vague |
| 00:40.32 | buu | I have machine A talking to a tv and running VNC server. I have machine B running vnc-viewer connecting to mchine A, but when B launches firefox it shows up on B |
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| 00:41.48 | gnarface | buu: right. run VNC server on the remote machine, and the VNC client on the one connected to the TV. control them both from a mouse&keyboard attached to *either* |
| 00:42.11 | gnarface | buu: the problem is you're trying to control the machine running the client |
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| 00:43.49 | buu | gnarface: How would the machine running the server issue commands to the one running the client? |
| 00:44.14 | gnarface | buu: it wouldn't but since that one is in the same room with you it doesn't have to |
| 00:44.35 | gnarface | buu: the point is you want to watch stuff that's happening on the remote machine through the TV right? |
| 00:44.41 | buu | Oh no |
| 00:44.46 | buu | See, my remote and local confused everyone |
| 00:44.55 | buu | gnarface: I want the laptop to send commands to the server attached to the tv |
| 00:45.07 | buu | laptop was the 'remote machine' |
| 00:45.14 | buu | server attached to tv is 'local' |
| 00:45.22 | buu | But I don't want to plug in a keyboard and mouse to 'local' |
| 00:45.24 | buu | Does that make any sense? |
| 00:45.40 | KsM | with make-kpkg, how would I go about compiling a kernel for amd64 on an i386 install |
| 00:45.50 | gnarface | buu: so you ... just need ssh |
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| 00:46.02 | buu | gnarface: Right, but sadly ssh won't let me, say, click on a flash video =/ |
| 00:46.17 | gnarface | buu: yes it will |
| 00:46.25 | buu | Oh. Tell me more! |
| 00:46.26 | KsM | buu: ssh -X (ssh tunneling)? |
| 00:46.32 | KsM | ERM |
| 00:46.32 | gnarface | buu: ^^ |
| 00:46.38 | KsM | TUNNELING x THROUGH SSH RATHER |
| 00:46.41 | KsM | -caps |
| 00:46.51 | gnarface | its called X11 Forwarding |
| 00:46.55 | gnarface | (over ssh) |
| 00:46.57 | buu | oh |
| 00:47.10 | buu | So I run an xserver on my 'laptop' and forward its output to the 'server'? |
| 00:47.18 | KsM | is tired after unsuccessfully trying to compile his kernel twice |
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| 00:48.48 | gnarface | buu: you'd run iceweasel on the remote machine (X11 libraries would need to be installed, but X11 does not run there). you'd then use ssh to forward its output to the local machine (connected to the TV, where X11 is running) |
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| 00:49.02 | gnarface | buu: this is pointlessly complex though. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 00:49.28 | buu | gnarface: I'm trying to watch twitch.tv on my tv without touching a machine plugged into the tv |
| 00:49.41 | buu | aka flash video player |
| 00:49.57 | buu | Obviously I can do things like DISPLAY=:0 chrome-webpage |
| 00:50.07 | buu | But I can't launch the video inside the webpage =[ |
| 00:50.58 | gnarface | ah |
| 00:52.04 | gnarface | so you were right then you run the vnc server on the one connected to the TV, i was confused because your original question implied that the source of the playback also had to be the remote machine. if you're just using the remote machine as a remote control, just run a vnc client on it and a vnc server on the one connected to the TV. problem solved, no? |
| 00:52.48 | buu | gnarface: Yeah, the remote/local was very confusing.I can run vnc, and that works, but the display only shows up on DISPLAY :1 |
| 00:52.48 | gnarface | fyi though you'll spend FAR less money and effort on a wireless keyboard+mouse for your coffee table |
| 00:53.21 | buu | gnarface: I have a wireless keyboard! It's just attached to my laptop |
| 00:53.31 | gnarface | buu: well if your TV-out isn't the default desktop thats an X11 configuration issue specific to your video card driver |
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| 00:53.49 | gnarface | buu: you need to make sure the TV sees the primary desktop first |
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| 00:54.01 | buu | gnarface: I have it configured so :0 is on the tv, but when I run vnc server it creates :1 and stuff shows up there |
| 00:54.05 | buu | But that isn't on my tc |
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| 00:54.28 | buu | *tv |
| 00:54.37 | gnarface | buu: tried another vnc server? |
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| 00:54.50 | buu | Oh, no, I assumed that's how they all worked |
| 00:55.27 | gnarface | buu: i'm not even sure that's how the one you're currently using actually works. i recommend reading the instructions before assuming. |
| 00:55.43 | buu | It told me it created :1! |
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| 00:55.59 | gnarface | buu: also, consider trying mirroring the outputs rather than giving them separate desktops |
| 00:56.09 | buu | Right, that's what I'd like |
| 00:56.21 | gnarface | buu: that's typically an X11 configuration not a VNC one though |
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| 00:56.44 | gnarface | buu: whether your VNC server is defaulting to creating its own DESKTOP rather than running on the one you started it in though i've no idea |
| 00:56.54 | gnarface | buu: i'd recommend checking the instructions on that |
| 00:57.13 | buu | "It acts like an X server with a virtual display. The display can be seen by a VNC viewer application, which may be running on a di |
| 00:57.17 | buu | fferent machine:" |
| 00:57.45 | gnarface | keep reading... |
| 00:57.54 | gnarface | (not out loud) |
| 00:58.03 | buu | .... |
| 00:59.13 | gnarface | buu: if the documentation clearly states it doesn't do what you want, check for something that does |
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| 01:00.32 | gnarface | buu: its not my experience that VNC servers only share the desktop with 1 client at a time and won't show it to the local console while doing so. i suspect your VNC server is ghetto, or you are doing something very obvious wrong |
| 01:00.59 | gnarface | buu: (like you forgot to set it to share desktop) |
| 01:01.01 | buu | I'm using tightvncserver |
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| 01:01.45 | thewanderer1 | buu: tightvnc starts up a new session. it does not connect to the current one. x11vnc or something like that does what you want, use that. |
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| 01:02.23 | Nethox | "Note: This server does not support or need a display." |
| 01:02.23 | gnarface | seems to recall using vnc4 or something like that when he had to do this with a Mac |
| 01:02.46 | buu | thewanderer1: Thanks, I'll give it a go |
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| 01:04.34 | Nethox | A "display" is mouse + keyboard + monitor (or TV). The lack of support was on the tightvncserver package description |
| 01:04.53 | gnarface | wasn't about to read it for him |
| 01:05.05 | gnarface | not without being paid at least |
| 01:05.26 | buu | thewanderer1: Good call, that was the right program to be using |
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| 01:07.57 | gnarface | now, personally here's what i'd do; i'd hook the video card up to a display that has an HD15 connector and doesn't need TV-out |
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| 01:09.02 | gnarface | then i'd set up LIRCD and use an old hauppage tv-tuner card remote control to run it, or just get a wireless keyboard or just one with a chord long enough to reach the coffee table |
| 01:09.44 | gnarface | same workflow accomplished with half the computers and no dependency on the network just to change channels |
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| 01:10.20 | gnarface | (no need for VNC either, which just causes shit to LAG) |
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| 01:11.42 | gnarface | buu: but if the *real* goal is "find a perverse excuse to make this old hardware I have laying around look useful again" and watching flash videos is only secondary... more power to you. i definitely know what that urge is like. :) |
| 01:12.39 | ix | How is pulseaudio started when it is configured for per-user sessions? |
| 01:13.11 | buu | gnarface: What does the HD15 connector do for you? |
| 01:13.20 | ix | I want to temporarily disable pulseaudio in favor of ALSA. |
| 01:13.28 | Infiltrator | Does anybody know of a list (or some other way to find out) of SRVIO-enabled NICs? |
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| 01:13.40 | gnarface | ix: usually i just uninstall it |
| 01:13.51 | gnarface | buu: also know as "VGA connector" |
| 01:13.52 | buu | gnarface: I mean I already have two laptops, so it's literally cheaper to use a laptop then a wireless keyboard |
| 01:14.01 | buu | gnarface: Right, how is that improvement over hdmi? |
| 01:14.10 | buu | That being said, a wireless keyboard isn't a terrible idea |
| 01:14.30 | buu | And if I really start using this machine I might go for that |
| 01:14.39 | ix | gnarface: Yeah, I used to do that, until I decided to embrace it. Now I'm struggling a bit with wine, and don't wish to mess around with some pulseaudio driver for it unless I know the program will actually run decently under wine. |
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| 01:15.11 | Nethox | HDMI is better than VGA for any modern TV, it avoids unnecessary AD/DA conversions |
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| 01:16.34 | gnarface | buu: its only an improvement over HDMI in the sense that it doesn't support anti-piracy measures and in every phsyical way is a more durable, better-designed standard and physical product as far as plugs go; i only listed it as an example though. my projector's HDMI input was already occupied by the HD-DVR so using the standard available PC input for a PC was a no-brainer |
| 01:16.36 | Pici | Plus it can transmit multi-channel audio too |
| 01:17.31 | gnarface | has a few spares lying around, likes to make them look useful too |
| 01:18.02 | buu | gnarface: I'm running all my hdmi through my receiver which is pretty sweet |
| 01:18.09 | buu | So I get sound+video into the receiver |
| 01:18.23 | buu | So now I can watch terrible quality flash videos on my 40 inch tv and 7.1 speaker system |
| 01:18.39 | gnarface | buu: my livingroom floor is a interlocking web of ad-hoc cable meshing |
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| 01:19.30 | gnarface | buu: now you just need to hook an atari 2600 up to it on a composite connector and you'll be all set |
| 01:19.56 | buu | haha |
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| 01:20.06 | buu | I managed to shove 90% of the cables into the gap behind the tv stand |
| 01:20.14 | buu | Wireless really does make this stuff simpler |
| 01:20.15 | Nethox | Can't one wireless keyboard be connected to 2 different receivers on demand (not at the same time)? |
| 01:20.47 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 01:20.47 | gnarface | wireless KVM? now there's an idea.... |
| 01:20.49 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
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| 01:21.33 | Infiltrator | gnarface: You probably could do that with a regular USB KVM; just plug the receiver into it. |
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| 01:22.55 | Nethox | The bluetooth password could be used to choose the receiver to connect to |
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| 01:23.42 | Infiltrator | Does anybody know of a list (or some other way to find out) of SRVIO-enabled NICs? |
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| 01:23.59 | buu | This is pretty cool, x11vnc shares my desktop soI can connect, launch stuff then close it |
| 01:24.05 | buu | And I killed power management and screensaver |
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| 01:29.12 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 01:30.13 | gnarface | i much prefer vlc for video playback from my media PC, buu. just FYI flash has *serious* performance problems on Linux. it can't really be understated. you'll get better frame rates out of anything at all |
| 01:32.16 | Nethox | Flash performance for video sucks, Adobe says it is because of the YUV<>RGB conversion. But Youtube videos can be downloaded and played with mplayer/VLC with regular performance and even hardware accel decoding (with NVidia and Intel) |
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| 01:32.52 | nevyn | so flash sucks on linux for reasons but yes it does suck. |
| 01:33.34 | Nethox | Flashblock to the rescue |
| 01:33.57 | Nethox | And youtube-dl script |
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| 02:40.26 | LtL | anybody getting these messages with apt-get update: connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 80] |
| 02:40.39 | LtL | the net works fine |
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| 02:41.04 | abrotman | on v6 too ? |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | LtL: pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:41.21 | LtL | ok |
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| 02:42.42 | Infiltrator | So... my initramfs for 3.2 doesn't seem to have an lvm module; but the 2.6 one does. How do I tell it to include the lvm module? |
| 02:42.46 | LtL | gime a sec pastebin got deconfigured |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | paste.debian.net ? |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | Infiltrator: /etc/initramfs/modules |
| 02:45.05 | LtL | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/198341/ |
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| 02:45.58 | sney | I still think apt should have the option to bypass ipv6 capability on the system |
| 02:46.05 | LtL | abrotman: its been doing this off and on for a week, sometimes it works fine |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | LtL: security.debian.org is a round robin |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | sney: wouldn't that be splendid? |
| 02:46.43 | sney | abrotman: there's a bug from like 3 years ago that hasn't even gotten a response. |
| 02:46.52 | sney | I me-too'd it a few months ago and that didn't help |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | LtL: and one of them is schein.d.o, which has a v6 address, which since your system has a v6 address, it's asking for a AAAA, and then can't get there via v6 |
| 02:47.02 | LtL | abrotman: so how would that line read |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | LtL: it reads "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | guesses |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | LtL: you could hardcode an IP if you wanted to be lazy |
| 02:47.52 | LtL | abrotman: it works fine at times |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | LtL: round .. robin .. |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | not rockin robin |
| 02:48.08 | abrotman | TWEET TWEET |
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| 02:48.26 | LtL | abrotman: so what needs to change, all repo's do this |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | LtL: as sney mentioned, there's no method to force v4 .. so you can remove the v6 address from your box, or hardcode v4 IPs |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | just a hunch |
| 02:48.57 | LtL | and sometimes like earlier they all works |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | LtL: you understand what a DNS roundrobin is ? |
| 02:49.22 | LtL | abrotman: basically |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | LtL: in your terminal, type 'host security.debian.org' |
| 02:49.34 | sney | LtL: if you aren't using ipv6 for anything you may as well disable it for now. that's the most direct solution beyond just "deal with it" |
| 02:50.55 | LtL | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/198342/ |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | right, that's what mine says |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | LtL: so when it's a round robin, you get a random result from that list |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | some are v4, some are v6 |
| 02:51.53 | LtL | abrotman: right, so best to disable my ipv6? |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | LtL: best? no .. easiest? by far |
| 02:52.18 | LtL | abrotman: alright, thanks |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | best would be if you could provide a patch for the apt system to only use v4 or v6 or allow it to choose :) |
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| 02:55.25 | eilyx | why are some debian packages pretty ancient (IMVHO) |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | such as? |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | if you say Wine, we'll all groan :) |
| 02:56.33 | sney | fsvo "ancient" it's just something that happens to stable after a while because of what stable is for. |
| 02:56.52 | sney | you want to see ancient, though, look at centos. |
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| 03:03.20 | tryy3 | quick question gonna see if i get this file permissions right, 7 would mean rwx does the 7 mean like r+w+x ? |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | !tell tryy3 about permissions |
| 03:03.37 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:03.45 | nsadmin | oh good, read that |
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| 03:04.09 | tryy3 | i was reading from a cheat sheet :D but i read what dpkg said too :D |
| 03:04.37 | nsadmin | excellent (I was trying to remember the name of that factoid, which will serve you well) |
| 03:04.55 | tryy3 | ^_^ |
| 03:05.05 | tryy3 | i like debian just by watching this bots work :D |
| 03:05.53 | tryy3 | let me guess, file permissions is important? |
| 03:05.59 | sney | ha, dpkg is my supplementary memory |
| 03:06.13 | tryy3 | sney XD |
| 03:06.14 | sney | some people have wikipedia, I have dpkg and judd. I am mostly worthless as a helper if either of them is offline |
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| 03:06.20 | nsadmin | yes, it's as important as it is basic |
| 03:06.43 | KsM | nsadmin: can I query you |
| 03:06.54 | nsadmin | for what purpose? |
| 03:07.04 | nsadmin | and thanks very much for asking |
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| 03:07.25 | KsM | asking a question about doing something sort of complicated |
| 03:07.33 | rue_house | did debian drop support for mounting samba volumes because of a closed source issue? |
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| 03:07.50 | rue_house | mount dosn't seem to understand -t smbfs |
| 03:08.21 | nsadmin | smbfs would be a kernel module, |
| 03:08.27 | nsadmin | one sec |
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| 03:08.35 | rue_house | there are no kernel modules with "smb" |
| 03:08.36 | nsadmin | KsM, sec |
| 03:08.40 | rue_house | accept an i2c one |
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| 03:09.33 | nsadmin | rue_house, try apt-cache search smbfs |
| 03:09.39 | Flynn` | hey, anyone know if Debian/kFreeBSD supports usb0 android tethering? |
| 03:09.48 | rue_house | mount -t cifs -o user=luke //192.168.1.104/share /mnt/linky_share |
| 03:09.50 | rue_house | whats cifs? |
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| 03:11.21 | rue_house | huh that worked |
| 03:11.41 | rue_house | wonder if they were legally bound to not call it samba anymore |
| 03:12.26 | damacus | cifs is the protocol on which smb is based iirc |
| 03:12.34 | damacus | common internet filesystem |
| 03:13.03 | rue_house | haha, common |
| 03:13.14 | tryy3 | while ago when i used ubuntu on my lappy i had some graphic issues on minecraft (that is a java game) and i got the solution that it was due to i had intel graphic 3000 or something is that an issue on debian too? |
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| 03:14.37 | KsM | tryy3: i915? |
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| 03:15.04 | sney | intel gma 3000 is new enough as to not be fully supported by the kernel in squeeze |
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| 03:15.11 | tryy3 | ksk no something like intel graphic hd 3000 or similiar cant remember my intergrated gpu |
| 03:15.13 | sney | I think the backport kernel and backport Xorg solve that, though |
| 03:15.14 | nsadmin | tryy3, there are issues in debian which are reported... to find out how to browse them, /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:15.44 | Infiltrator | Okay, why is my 3.2 kernel/initrd saying 'volume group lvm not found'; yet when I drop into the initrd shell, I can vgscan and vgchange -a y it just fine? Also, the 2.6 kernel/initrd boots just fine. |
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| 03:16.23 | tryy3 | nsadmin k i hope its fixed or something :D |
| 03:16.35 | nsadmin | Infiltrator, you may need to rebuild your initrd |
| 03:17.01 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Did that a few times. Even put lvm explicitly in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. |
| 03:17.27 | nsadmin | KsM, go ahead and pm me... (again thanks for asking) |
| 03:17.42 | Infiltrator | Is there any way to tell where the initrd is looking at to try to find my LVM? |
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| 03:17.59 | Infiltrator | I suspect that it's not looking at the correct drive. |
| 03:18.18 | nsadmin | Infiltrator, it may not have the stuff in it to mount / |
| 03:18.43 | nsadmin | for example, if / is in your lvm, then maybe what's missing is lvm support |
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| 03:19.47 | LtL | abrotman: disabling ipv6 prompted masty responses from some of the hosts :) |
| 03:19.49 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Well, that's what I thought; but when it drops to the initrd shell, I can do vgscan; vgchange -a y and it finds the LVM. |
| 03:19.58 | nsadmin | once you boot into your system after activating the vg, the info is available for knowing what to put into the new initrd |
| 03:20.15 | Infiltrator | I don't know, though, how to continue booting at that point. :( |
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| 03:20.35 | LtL | abrotman: i guess using static numeric ip's in the sources.list is the only sure fire way isn't it? |
| 03:20.37 | nsadmin | you mean from the initrd shell? |
| 03:20.44 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Yeah. |
| 03:20.58 | r3m | ,v dex |
| 03:21.00 | judd | No package named 'dex' was found in i386. |
| 03:21.58 | nsadmin | Infiltrator, try ctrl-D to exit from that shell... let us know hwo that goes |
| 03:23.45 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Will try. Thanks. |
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| 03:25.00 | nsadmin | !multiarch |
| 03:25.01 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 03:25.18 | factotum | !ppc |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:26.29 | gnarface | does anyone know if xlock still has a problem causing io-locks on the nvidia proprietary drivers when using the any of the opengl modes for too long? |
| 03:26.44 | gnarface | (may have been a memory leak, same ultimate result) |
| 03:27.39 | r3m | hi what the 0 mean at the end of a package ? liblua5.1-filesystem0 <== is it still related to version? |
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| 03:28.22 | nsadmin | for one thing, the 0 is just part of the package name |
| 03:28.37 | cardamon | Weird. I managed to get the same instance of screen inside two screens... |
| 03:28.49 | r3m | nsadmin: thanks |
| 03:30.05 | gnarface | r3m: its confusing at first but sometimes the version number gets put into the package name so that multiple versions can co-exist interchangeably (for example) but if you use dpkg -l it is clear what version everything is |
| 03:30.40 | r3m | gnarface: oh ok thanks |
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| 03:30.47 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 03:31.12 | gnarface | date |
| 03:31.16 | gnarface | woops, wrong window |
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| 03:31.41 | Infiltrator | nsadmin et al: Well, that was embarrisingly easy. :P However, once I got in, I did a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2, which recreated the initrd and did an update-grub, but I still had the same 'volume group lvm not found' error again. |
| 03:32.39 | nsadmin | hmm. that sucks... |
| 03:32.43 | SiDz | if i want to rebuid squid3 with --enable-ipv6 what source do i need to get? squid3-common or squid3? |
| 03:32.44 | KsM | So, anyone using multiarch, to do from i386 to amd64, just add "[arch=amd64,i386]" to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:32.57 | Infiltrator | cardamon: You can use screen -x name to connect an arbitrary number of screens to one screen, I believe. :) |
| 03:33.05 | KsM | s/to do/to go/ |
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| 03:34.10 | cardamon | Infiltrator: No, I think I just embedded one with in another, but when I detach that detach gets propigated. |
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| 03:34.16 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Do you know how I can see where the initrd is originally looking for my VG? |
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| 03:34.27 | gnarface | KsM: no its advised you do not specify it in sources.list (though that is possible) it is advised instead you just use dpkg --add-architecture (according to what i read, at least) |
| 03:34.28 | nsadmin | KsM, multiarch lets you have packages from more than one arch... |
| 03:34.41 | nsadmin | your vg is called lvm Infiltrator ? |
| 03:35.02 | Infiltrator | cardamon: You mean you ran a screen inside another? Again, possible. Use C-A A if you want to send screen signals to the deeper one. (And more As for deeper yet.) |
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| 03:35.11 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Boring, I know. :) |
| 03:35.35 | KsM | gnarface: so, do that, add to sources.list, done? do I even need to make sure I have a 64bit kernel? |
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| 03:35.51 | cardamon | This is some inception level usage of screen here. |
| 03:36.03 | cardamon | Meh, I don't care enough to not kill it. |
| 03:36.07 | gnarface | KsM: no do NOT add it to sources.list. |
| 03:36.11 | Infiltrator | cardamon: It is indeed. And about as useful, too. :P |
| 03:36.22 | KsM | er, ok |
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| 03:37.06 | gnarface | KsM: as far as i know it only works for amd64 loading i386 packages, not the other way around, but i could be wrong |
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| 03:39.06 | nsadmin | gnarface, hmm, unfortunately that's his use case |
| 03:40.21 | gnarface | i heard abrotman say it was possible once, i believe. he likes to recursively split hairs to pass the time though so i don't know if its actually true in any practical sense. I've only tested it in this direction, myself |
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| 03:41.36 | gnarface | one begins to question the point |
| 03:42.00 | nsadmin | the point of the recursions? |
| 03:42.12 | gnarface | no of installing amd64 packages on an i386 install |
| 03:42.17 | gnarface | performance? certainly not |
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| 03:42.43 | gnarface | memory extension? .... doubfully worth investor's time to use the wrong hardware |
| 03:42.54 | gnarface | doubtfully i meant |
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| 03:43.36 | gnarface | if you were just installing 64-bit headers to do cross-compilation maybe it would work and not need a 64-bit kernel but i am not clear on that |
| 03:43.51 | nsadmin | wrong hw? you mean he doesn't actually have an amd64-compliant cpu? |
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| 03:44.11 | gnarface | isn't that what you just said? you've given me more info about his setup than he has |
| 03:44.37 | KsM | gnarface: well, there's a x86_64-linux-gnu dir in /lib now |
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| 03:44.47 | MrHatter | i just did a fresh squeeze install and apt-cache search linux-image* is showing only amd kernels... why would this be ? |
| 03:44.47 | KsM | doing apt-get update now, will do upgrade in a sec |
| 03:45.15 | gnarface | MrHatter: because you did an amd64 install on amd hardware? |
| 03:45.44 | MrHatter | gnarface, i must have done an amd install, but its an intel cpu, so i want to change the kernel |
| 03:45.59 | nsadmin | KsM, aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl ; cat /proc/cpuinfo | nopaste |
| 03:46.09 | Infiltrator | MrHatter: amd64 refers to the architecture. |
| 03:46.10 | gnarface | MrHatter: you're mistaken, you do not want to change the kernel. its an intel cpu using amd technology |
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| 03:46.36 | nsadmin | then (ignore any errors and) show the url which should eventually appear at the bottom |
| 03:46.41 | MrHatter | gnarface, ok, so I must have used the amd netinst then. |
| 03:46.46 | KsM | nsadmin: actually after apt-get update I'm getting errors |
| 03:47.03 | KsM | W: Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-amd64/Packages File not found |
| 03:47.16 | Infiltrator | nsadmin et al: Any idea why my initrd cannot find my VG by itself and I have to manually vgscan; vgchange -a y it? |
| 03:47.31 | MrHatter | I didn't realise anything else was different except the kernel relating to the architecture. |
| 03:47.35 | gnarface | MrHatter: probably, and the fact you succeeded implies that it was the correct choice. the amd64 netinst would not have even booted on incompatible hardware |
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| 03:48.00 | gnarface | MrHatter: for amd64 the entire distro is 64-bit compiled |
| 03:48.08 | gnarface | MrHatter: it will be nice and snappy |
| 03:48.24 | gnarface | MrHatter: 32-bit binaries should still work |
| 03:48.32 | MrHatter | gnarface, i don't think that's true, i have seen 32 bit intel install rinning fine on amd hardware |
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| 03:49.03 | MrHatter | gnarface, i was referring to the statement of it not installing |
| 03:49.14 | Infiltrator | MrHatter: If you mean i386, you're again referring to architecture, not the actual CPU. |
| 03:49.24 | gnarface | MrHatter: it is true; i said the amd64 install would not have booted on incompatible hardware. the fact that you have 32-bit software running on a 64-bit amd chip is irrelevant |
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| 03:49.47 | gnarface | MrHatter: it works in one direction but not the other. |
| 03:49.55 | MrHatter | gnarface, i am referring to the fact it's intel cpu, |
| 03:50.07 | MrHatter | i386 does install on amd cpu |
| 03:50.08 | gnarface | gives up |
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| 03:50.17 | KsM | nsadmin: here is /proc/cpuinfo by the way: http://sprunge.us/VdLg |
| 03:50.30 | MrHatter | am i missing something ? |
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| 03:50.52 | gnarface | i did not say that i386 does not install on an amd cpu MrHatter. I never said that. I said that the amd64 install will no install on a non-64-bit chip |
| 03:51.09 | gnarface | MrHatter: ^^^^ this is what you're missing but i can't think of any other ways to state it. |
| 03:51.17 | Infiltrator | MrHatter: i386, ia64, and amd64 (and many others, but not relevant) are all just architectures. The manufacturer (whether intel or amd) is irrelevant. |
| 03:51.19 | gnarface | MrHatter: you're basically just refusing to believe me |
| 03:51.38 | MrHatter | gnarface, no, just trying to understand what you are saying. |
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| 03:52.44 | nsadmin | KsM, so there is two cores |
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| 03:52.48 | MrHatter | gnarface, are there intel CPU's where the amd64 architecture won't run on ? |
| 03:52.53 | gnarface | MrHatter: if you have a 64-bit intel chip and its not an itanium, its actually an intel clone of amd technology. intel purposefully misled you and now you think that architectures are the same thing as manufacturers. |
| 03:52.58 | KsM | nsadmin: yes |
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| 03:53.12 | KsM | nsadmin: that would be why I'm deciding to go to amd64 |
| 03:54.46 | gnarface | MrHatter: yes, the amd64 install will not run on any intel chips that are either itanium (their 64 bit line that does NOT have 32-bit reverse compat like the amd arch) or their 32-bit ones. none of the intel 32-bit chips will also run the amd64 install |
| 03:55.10 | MrHatter | gnarface, OK, so regardless of Intel or AMD chip, you would install the amd64 architecture if you want 64 bit architecture ? |
| 03:55.28 | nsadmin | KsM, is it a core2duo? |
| 03:55.41 | gnarface | MrHatter: Yes, with the ONE exception of that its an Intel *ITANIUM* in which case you use the ia64 one. |
| 03:55.45 | KsM | I don't think so |
| 03:55.57 | Infiltrator | MrHatter: For that matter, none of the AMD 32-bit chips will run amd64 either. |
| 03:56.03 | gnarface | MrHatter: but if it was an itanium you'd know because the i386 installer would also not work on it |
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| 03:56.38 | KsM | nsadmin: when I did research up about the chip, what I read was that it was in the same family as the i3/5/7, and practically an i3 without hyperthreading |
| 03:56.48 | gnarface | note i5/i7 < the "i" is *not* for Itanium |
| 03:56.51 | MrHatter | I don't think i've ever even seen an Itanium. Commodity hardware is AMD64, or the intel i'3/5/7 or the older dual cores |
| 03:57.32 | MrHatter | gnarface, OK, so i am fine to stick with the AMD64 installer unless I come across an Itanium. |
| 03:57.59 | gnarface | MrHatter: yea intel tried to sweep its corpse under the carpet rather quickly when amd64 came out and proved them wrong about being able to do 32-bit compatibility in parallel. the only reason it even still exists is because a law suit by Oracle in California requires Intel to keep printing them. |
| 03:58.35 | nsadmin | gnarface, if you've read the paste, do you think KsM has an amd64-alike? |
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| 03:58.59 | gnarface | MrHatter: right, amd64 installer is the one you want. its simply named after amd because they were the first to market with that particular architecture |
| 03:59.10 | KsM | nsadmin: I had ubuntu amd64 installed on it previously, so I'm pretty sure it supports amd64. |
| 03:59.14 | MrHatter | gnarface, the only reason the to use the i686 installer is if you want 32 bit ? |
| 03:59.26 | nsadmin | yeah, that sounds right then |
| 03:59.27 | gnarface | looking at the paste |
| 03:59.37 | MrHatter | ...and, why would anyone want 32bit these days ? |
| 03:59.47 | KsM | compatibility |
| 03:59.58 | Infiltrator | MrHatter: They have a ~10yr old chip? |
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| 04:00.07 | stonerfish | Maybe to revive an old lappy. |
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| 04:00.55 | gnarface | MrHatter: nobody wants 32-bit these days but the hardware still exists. |
| 04:01.05 | MrHatter | infiltrator, you had me correct earlier, I was confusing architecture with manufacturer, but still knowing I wanted 64 bit. |
| 04:01.06 | Infiltrator | stonerfish: Yeah, all my old laptops are running i386. :) |
| 04:01.22 | MrHatter | gnarface and infiltrator have set me straight. Thank You. |
| 04:01.45 | gnarface | MrHatter: correct, i686 is the 32-bit installer. typically you want this for intel or amd chips from the athlonXP and Pentium 3 era and earlier, including many (but not all) Pentium 4's |
| 04:03.25 | gnarface | actually does debian even have a i686 installer or is that ubuntu? i thought debian only had an i386 installer but it required at least a 486DX+ |
| 04:03.50 | gnarface | (or add-on math coprocessor) |
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| 04:07.49 | KsM | Get:1 file: apt-build Release [106 B] |
| 04:07.50 | KsM | Err file: apt-build/main amd64 Packages File not found |
| 04:07.55 | KsM | grr. |
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| 04:41.04 | SiDz | http://pastebin.com/fBmWacJ5 i really dont understand why no one is able to access http://sid.donsid.net under ipv6, http://sid48.donsid.net work fine, those 2 host ips are on the same interface br0 . pastebin show ip -6 r , firewall, and ifconfig br0 |
| 04:41.16 | SiDz | i really dont understand |
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| 04:55.22 | gnarface | SiDz: note that its still relatively rare for ipv6 support to exist that the ISP level.... maybe the people trying to access it just don't have ipv6? |
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| 04:57.28 | SiDz | gnarface i can't access it |
| 04:57.29 | SiDz | no one can |
| 04:57.34 | SiDz | i only can access sid48 |
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| 04:58.54 | gnarface | SiDz: you mean even on the lan? |
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| 04:59.37 | gnarface | SiDz: oh you're bridging. sorry i can't debug iptables bridging yet. i still use openbsd for that stuff |
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| 05:12.52 | KsM | nsadmin: so, compiling my kernel now for 64bit, dpkg-architecture: warning: specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu, try setting a correct CC environment variable |
| 05:13.24 | KsM | do I export CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 05:13.25 | KsM | or what |
| 05:13.44 | KsM | or wait, no |
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| 05:14.07 | KsM | select the amd64 gcc? |
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| 05:19.47 | gnarface | KsM: you're trying to compile a 64-bit kernel from inside a 32-bit install? |
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| 05:22.02 | KsM | well I have a 64bit kernel running and I installed the amd packages of gcc and libc |
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| 05:22.25 | KsM | but yeah I figured I should set --cross-compile instead of --arch |
| 05:25.51 | g0dfrey | where's judd? |
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| 05:35.02 | Thibaud | Hey guys |
| 05:35.20 | Thibaud | I got this issue with dhclient |
| 05:35.30 | Thibaud | not sending hostname to the DHCP server |
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| 05:37.42 | Thibaud | Working on Ubuntu but not on Debian |
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| 05:41.33 | gnarface | Thibaud: are you even using the same dhcp client? |
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| 05:51.07 | Xtreme_Mobile | Guys, how to connect to hidden network? |
| 05:51.17 | Xtreme_Mobile | I configued everything |
| 05:51.21 | Xtreme_Mobile | But it doesn't connect |
| 05:51.34 | Xtreme_Mobile | Nor option to connect.. and it doesn't even detect it |
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| 05:52.45 | Xtreme_Mobile | Anyone? |
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| 05:54.19 | jakenl | What? |
| 05:54.48 | Xtreme_Mobile | I can't connect to hiddden network |
| 05:54.53 | Xtreme_Mobile | Its not getting detected |
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| 05:55.19 | EmleyMoor | Xtreme_Mobile: By hidden, do you mean a wireless network that does not broadcast its SSID? |
| 05:55.42 | Xtreme_Mobile | Yes. |
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| 05:56.07 | EmleyMoor | Using Network Manager? |
| 05:56.26 | Xtreme_Mobile | Yes. |
| 05:56.51 | EmleyMoor | OK - you've found where to enter the SSID but it fails to work? |
| 05:57.14 | Xtreme_Mobile | Yes |
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| 05:57.30 | EmleyMoor | Hmmmm... have you managed to connect anything else to it? |
| 05:57.42 | Xtreme_Mobile | I added ssid, password, enc type, mode everything. |
| 05:57.57 | Xtreme_Mobile | em, yes. Everything else except hidden network. |
| 05:58.22 | EmleyMoor | No, have you managed to connect any other device to the hidden network? |
| 05:58.43 | Xtreme_Mobile | This is the first one I am trying.. |
| 05:59.10 | EmleyMoor | Xtreme_Mobile: It could be a problem with the AP |
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| 05:59.48 | Xtreme_Mobile | Nope.. my cell is connected to same ap. And I am here chatting with you. :) |
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| 06:00.19 | EmleyMoor | So you connected your phone to the hidden network? You just told me you didn't |
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| 06:01.05 | Xtreme_Mobile | Aah sorry... I thought u meant the ask.. did I connect my lappy to any other hidden network. |
| 06:01.06 | Xtreme_Mobile | I am sorry. I misread it |
| 06:01.30 | EmleyMoor | I must admit I'm lost from this point, but perhaps someone else can help you, based on what we know now... |
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| 06:01.44 | Xtreme_Mobile | Yes I managed to connect my cell to it. |
| 06:01.57 | Xtreme_Mobile | But my lappy is not detecting it. |
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| 06:02.13 | Xtreme_Mobile | Wait to be precised, my debian is not. But windows is |
| 06:02.59 | EmleyMoor | Precision is good... as I say, from here on, I'm lost... |
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| 06:04.06 | Xtreme_Mobile | I hope someone jumps in soon.. coz I badlyy need it.. |
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| 06:10.38 | nsadmin | KsM, what has you needing to compile a kernel? |
| 06:10.51 | Guest93031 | Does it usually autodetect? |
| 06:11.00 | Guest93031 | Or we need to detect it manually? |
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| 06:11.41 | KsM | nsadmin: I just update my own kernel version |
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| 06:12.09 | KsM | I just don't like to use the generic ones for some reason |
| 06:12.19 | KsM | liking to experiment and learn I guess |
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| 06:14.53 | KsM | nsadmin: does installing stuff with a different architecture replace the previous version you had or what |
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| 06:16.05 | nsadmin | it shouldn't |
| 06:16.24 | KsM | so what happens to the new/old one? |
| 06:16.25 | nsadmin | look in /boot if you already did it to see what is actually there |
| 06:16.42 | KsM | er, I meant stuff in /bin |
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| 06:17.30 | nsadmin | that's a good question... |
| 06:17.44 | nsadmin | dunno the answer. |
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| 06:17.55 | KsM | reload |
| 06:17.59 | KsM | oops |
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| 06:18.22 | nsadmin | I would imagine it puts the actual files in some dir and then links it from /bin (and/or other systemwide dirs) |
| 06:18.45 | nsadmin | but again, I haven't started using the wheezy I installed |
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| 06:21.13 | nsadmin | KsM, dpkg -L <packagename> could help you to determine what goes where |
| 06:22.50 | KsM | so apparently gcc is in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 06:23.53 | nsadmin | and you could use CC=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc |
| 06:24.08 | KsM | that works with make-kpkg, right? |
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| 06:24.17 | nsadmin | it should |
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| 06:24.46 | nsadmin | have you tried an existing kernel yet? |
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| 06:25.20 | KsM | I'm using the 3.2 amd64 from the repos |
| 06:25.32 | nsadmin | ok, so you're trying it now |
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| 06:25.36 | nsadmin | how's that going? |
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| 06:26.24 | KsM | well, I installed it before I started the 64bit transition thing |
| 06:26.31 | KsM | but so far nothing has exploded in my face |
| 06:26.38 | nsadmin | and? |
| 06:26.49 | nsadmin | is everything working? |
| 06:26.50 | KsM | installing more 64bit stuff |
| 06:27.10 | KsM | and for some reason apt is removing everything... |
| 06:27.22 | gnarface | KsM: note that multiarch isn't finished. |
| 06:27.24 | KsM | incluing gcc and my kernel headers |
| 06:27.37 | KsM | and debhelper, xorg xfce ... |
| 06:27.43 | KsM | gdm3... |
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| 06:28.06 | gnarface | KsM: nvidia video card + the proprietary drivers? |
| 06:28.12 | KsM | no |
| 06:28.14 | KsM | intel |
| 06:28.22 | KsM | apt is just casually removing everything |
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| 06:28.48 | KsM | I just hope it doesn't kill gdm3 when this is done... |
| 06:28.48 | nsadmin | you can "aptitude why not <packagename>" |
| 06:29.06 | KsM | oh it's replacing a few things with the amd64 versions |
| 06:29.20 | KsM | /a few/ |
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| 06:30.14 | KsM | oh apparently apt-get told me about all this but I didn't see it because my terminal was small |
| 06:31.11 | KsM | Here is everything that happened in case you guys are interested: http://paste.debian.net/198378/ |
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| 06:40.59 | boudiccas | how do i increase the size of the buffer in gnome-terminal so that i have more to scroll back through please? |
| 06:42.04 | tim_flatus | boudiccas: it's in the prefs |
| 06:42.50 | tim_flatus | under Scrolling |
| 06:43.13 | boudiccas | tim_flatus, thanks |
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| 06:43.51 | tim_flatus | na fors |
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| 06:44.50 | JCDenton | Can I install Zend Guard through Debian's repo's? |
| 06:45.52 | daym0n | debian is soo much better than ubuntu :) |
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| 06:55.41 | NoobCoder | daym0n, damn right it is :) |
| 06:55.51 | wilee-nilee | lol |
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| 06:56.35 | daym0n | yeah its soo nice to see a regular logon and gnome desktop theme., ubuntu went gay with unity |
| 06:56.58 | JCDenton | Is there really no documentation on this Zend crap? |
| 06:57.01 | JCDenton | Anywhere? |
| 06:57.37 | wilee-nilee | daym0n, ubuntu does seem happy. |
| 06:57.51 | daym0n | only zend i found was package zendframework a php framework JCDenton |
| 06:58.12 | JCDenton | daym0n, PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Aug 6 2012 14:18:06) |
| 06:58.12 | JCDenton | Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group |
| 06:58.12 | JCDenton | Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies |
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| 06:58.19 | JCDenton | Says I have Zend Engine installe |
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| 06:58.27 | JCDenton | Apparently that is != Zend Guard |
| 06:58.34 | JCDenton | Which is a huge PITA to download alone |
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| 06:58.42 | JCDenton | Why do people use this terrible POS? |
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| 07:04.01 | mfblackmail69 | JCDenton: i don't see your problem - zendguard even has an install wizard |
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| 07:27.05 | julius_ | hi |
| 07:27.33 | julius_ | do you guys know a good vps review site? looking for vps in europe/us |
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| 07:28.19 | julius_ | ive found some on google but most are concernd with more ads than information |
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| 07:44.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps what dhcpd should i install? |
| 07:44.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm... |
| 07:44.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am dumb |
| 07:45.04 | daym0n | dhcp3 |
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| 07:46.29 | tim_flatus | How do I make file type associations in nautilus (wheezy)? I'm fed up with double-clicking on .odt's and having them opened up in archive manager. (NOT the Open with Other Application dialog!) |
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| 07:50.19 | engla | tim_flatus: isn't there a setting for that in the properties info window? |
| 07:50.34 | engla | I don't use nautilus in wheezy anymore so I'm not sure, but it used to be there |
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| 07:53.20 | tim_flatus | engla: there's no way of navigating to /usr/bin anymore, so I can't add Libre Office. |
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| 07:53.48 | tim_flatus | In my opinion it's been deliberately hobbled |
| 07:53.57 | engla | I'm not sure what you mean. This should go by application entries (.desktop files), not file paths |
| 07:54.00 | tim_flatus | I don't rally understand why |
| 07:54.40 | tim_flatus | Ah, so I probably need to create .desktop for Libre Office |
| 07:54.47 | engla | there should already be one |
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| 07:55.04 | tim_flatus | Oh yes, there Should. |
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| 07:55.07 | engla | what about the properties window on an .odt file? |
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| 07:55.13 | engla | does it have the Open With setting? |
| 07:55.18 | tim_flatus | But there isn't |
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| 07:55.33 | tim_flatus | Yep |
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| 07:56.15 | engla | how do you know there isn't? |
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| 07:56.45 | tim_flatus | because there is no menu entry for Libre Office in gnome |
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| 07:57.16 | tim_flatus | Clearly there is an old Debian menu entry but not a .desktop file, that much is obvious |
| 07:57.18 | engla | well that's odd |
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| 07:58.00 | tim_flatus | Libre Office I'm guessing is a Debianised Oo.o, |
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| 07:58.20 | engla | nope, libreoffice is the upstream |
| 07:58.38 | tim_flatus | engla: ah is it? ok |
| 07:58.55 | tim_flatus | thanks, I could have looked that up ;) |
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| 07:59.01 | engla | also the packages in wheezy contain .desktop files |
| 07:59.06 | engla | so this problem is all yours |
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| 08:00.33 | tim_flatus | engla: oh that is weird then. I just upgraded and haven't fiddled with anything yet |
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| 08:03.44 | tim_flatus | engla: thanks you've saved me a fair amount of messing around. :) |
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| 08:19.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 08:20.21 | daym0n | hi |
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| 08:21.41 | basic6 | hi |
| 08:21.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol course i answer my question before i even ask it |
| 08:21.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think me found |
| 08:22.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | what i wanted roaming network wifi |
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| 08:34.16 | tim_flatus | I think I see what has happened - libreoffice keeps its .desktop files in a non-standard (for debian) location and the link addresses are wrong. |
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| 08:34.35 | tim_flatus | OK that's fixable |
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| 08:45.27 | tim_flatus | Oh right - and now I see why it's broken on my system and no-one else's |
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| 08:46.47 | tim_flatus | I moved /usr/share and the links are relative ... heh. |
| 08:48.52 | KsM | Accidentally uninstalled dpkg while doing crazy things; attempted to reinstall it by copying the dpkg binary from an ubuntu install but it simply hangs |
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| 08:59.34 | tim_flatus | points at KsM and laughs |
| 09:00.44 | KsM | das rude m8 |
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| 09:04.33 | tim_flatus | KsM: I've done equally stupid things. Wouldn't you be better off with a Debian installer in rescue mode? |
| 09:05.10 | KsM | don't know if I even have my install CD |
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| 09:05.25 | tim_flatus | KsM: ew. |
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| 09:05.33 | KsM | and it was a netinstall so I don't kno if that has the rescuemode stuff |
| 09:05.41 | KsM | know* |
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| 09:06.31 | Burgov | hi |
| 09:07.35 | Burgov | I have a cron job which runs a php script, which will issue a reboot command is certain preconditions are met. The cron job runs as root, however, when the reboot command is issued, it fails, and the error output is "permission denied". |
| 09:08.04 | Burgov | When I run the script normally (without cron), it works fine. I'm sure that the cron runs as root (the script logs the username to the errorlog as well) |
| 09:08.25 | Burgov | is there any reason that this should indeed not work? |
| 09:08.54 | fhffhqvb | php running as root would be bad. |
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| 09:10.10 | iDrac | Burgov: are you using full path to reboot binary? |
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| 09:10.35 | iDrac | cron has different set of environment variables than bash |
| 09:10.52 | iDrac | including path, etc.. |
| 09:10.54 | Burgov | iDrac, yes, full path |
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| 09:12.12 | iDrac | hm |
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| 09:18.52 | iDrac | Burgov: maybe try to create php script which only executes reboot and see if that works from cron |
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| 09:23.04 | Burgov | iDrac, i'll try that |
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| 09:24.08 | nsadmin | is this script just running reboot? |
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| 09:26.19 | Burgov | iDrac, well, that did work... interesting! |
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| 09:26.29 | Burgov | nsadmin, no, it's doing a lot of checks to see if it actually needs to reboot |
| 09:26.52 | iDrac | Burgov: i guess the permission denied comes from the other stuff the php is doing |
| 09:26.53 | nsadmin | what are the criteria? |
| 09:27.23 | Burgov | it checks agains a specific field in a mongo database to see if a specific timeout was reached |
| 09:27.40 | iDrac | most likely some environment variable which does not exist when running as cron |
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| 09:28.42 | Burgov | well, at least I know now that it's not a linux problem, but a problem in my script |
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| 09:29.43 | nsadmin | so accessing a mongo db is only possible in php? |
| 09:30.02 | nsadmin | btw try -just- accessing the db |
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| 09:30.33 | nsadmin | you've eliminated the reboot, try to rule the rest in or out |
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| 09:36.23 | Burgov | maybe the service that resolves the location of the reboot command is wrong... |
| 09:37.07 | nsadmin | set a variable to the fully qualified pathname for each bin you use in the script\ |
| 09:38.12 | Burgov | ah! it's working |
| 09:38.22 | nsadmin | in perl it might look like $reboot = "/usr/sbin/reboot"; |
| 09:39.02 | Burgov | now i'm curious to find out what the service was returning instead of "/sbin/reboot" |
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| 09:39.22 | Burgov | it must be some file without x-permissions, it's the only explanation for the error message |
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| 09:41.48 | Burgov | ah, it returned "false" :) |
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| 09:54.11 | BW^- | uuh, aptitude install mysql-server-5.5 on debian 6 gives some errors like this: Err http://packages.dotdeb.org/ squeeze/all mysql-common all 5.5.22-1~dotdeb.0 404 Not Found Err http://packages.dotdeb.org/ squeeze/all libmysqlclient16 i386 5.1.61-2~dotdeb.0 404 Not Found |
| 09:54.18 | BW^- | saw it on another machine too. how fix? |
| 09:54.41 | babilen | !dotdeb |
| 09:54.41 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 09:55.14 | babilen | BW^-: dotdeb has *nothing* to do with Debian and we strongly discourage using their packages |
| 09:56.10 | BW^- | babilen: this was just a default install of debian 6, as far as i am aware. it's from a VPS hosting. |
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| 09:57.07 | babilen | BW^-: Well, check your sources.list and paste them along with the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-common mysql-server" on http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:57.59 | babilen | BW^-: Oh, throw in the output of "aptitude search '~Vdotdeb'" too :) |
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| 10:00.56 | BW^- | babilen: http://pastebin.com/LndVpKkP |
| 10:01.04 | babilen | mumbles http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:01.15 | BW^- | k |
| 10:01.56 | BW^- | babilen: to get some basic order i better just comment out the dotdeb.org lines in sources.list, and run aptitude update and continue instlalling mysql from there right? |
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| 10:03.17 | babilen | BW^-: As you can see in your paste: You have packages from dotdeb installed (libapache2-mod-php5, libmysqlclient16, mysql-common, php5, php5-cli, php5-common and php5-suhosin) -- We can neither support nor endorse them. |
| 10:03.35 | BW^- | babilen: aha, i better just remove those then. |
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| 10:03.59 | DelphiWorld | hi everyone |
| 10:04.00 | babilen | BW^-: This is a bit harder to solve and it depends on what you want to achieve. In particular you are running a newer PHP version *and* php-suhosin ... Do you *need* that? |
| 10:04.03 | DelphiWorld | i'm doing a compile but getting: |
| 10:04.11 | DelphiWorld | anyone know it ? |
| 10:04.23 | DelphiWorld | i get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
| 10:04.37 | BW^- | babilen: no |
| 10:04.49 | BW^- | babilen: just decently new enough php, apache2 and mysql, just a supersimple install now |
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| 10:05.22 | babilen | BW^-: One way to deal with this (and the supported one) would be to purge all dotdeb packages with "aptitude purge '~i~Vdotdeb'" and *then* remove the dotdeb sources from your sources.list |
| 10:05.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright peeps i need help with wpasupplicant |
| 10:05.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll snet you the config in a second |
| 10:05.48 | BW^- | babilen: how did you see what packages were installed from dotdeb? |
| 10:06.05 | BW^- | babilten: right. first, how do i see which the dotdeb packages are? |
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| 10:07.16 | babilen | BW^-: Run "aptitude search '~i~Vdotdeb'" to list all installed (~i) dotdeb (~Vdotdeb) packages. You can then purge them with "aptitude purge '~i~Vdotdeb'" |
| 10:07.23 | babilen | !tell BW^- about aptitude search |
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| 10:08.02 | samuel | hi i'm wondering if someone here can throw me a bone regarding nm-manager applet and gconf editor |
| 10:08.03 | BW^- | babilen: aptitude search '~i~Vdotdeb' returns nothing now, i did "aptitude remove" on those packages you said |
| 10:08.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | pb () { curl -s -F "sprunge=@$1" http://sprunge.us; } |
| 10:08.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | Copy () { cp "$1" "$1.$(date +%Y-%m-%d).bak" ; } |
| 10:08.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | h() { if [ -z "$1" ]; then history; else history | \grep "$@"; fi; } |
| 10:08.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | bah |
| 10:08.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/HjQB |
| 10:08.36 | samuel | i'm trying to find out where gconf editor sources the wireless connectsion - NOT in the userspace |
| 10:08.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/eOSB |
| 10:09.06 | ectospasm | !pastebin Eryn_1983_FL |
| 10:09.09 | ectospasm | !paste |
| 10:09.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 10:09.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to get my android to connect but it wont. i even pulled everything out but it in the config but it won't lol |
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| 10:09.38 | babilen | BW^-: Ok, they have been remove (but not purged) ... Could you show me the output of "aptitude search ~c" please? |
| 10:09.53 | ectospasm | Eryn_1983_FL: did you enable USB Mass Storage mode on the phone? That has to happen first before the PC will connect (or even see the right devices) |
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| 10:11.08 | BW^- | babilen: # aptitude search ~c |
| 10:11.08 | BW^- | c apache2-doc - Apache HTTP Server documentation ci apache2.2-common - Apache HTTP Server common files c libaio1 - Linux kernel AIO access library - shared library |
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| 10:11.46 | babilen | BW^-: Did you purge or remove the dotdeb packages? |
| 10:12.24 | BW^- | babilen: first remove. that was before you mentioned the purging. |
| 10:12.35 | BW^- | babilen: wheni did purge the same, they were not there anymore |
| 10:13.09 | babilen | BW^-: Is what you pasted above the only output of "aptitude search ~c" ? |
| 10:13.19 | BW^- | babilen: correct. |
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| 10:14.08 | BW^- | babilen: does this mean all is prepared now and i can just start over the right way now |
| 10:14.20 | babilen | BW^-: And you ran *both* "aptitude remove '~i~Vdotdeb'" *and* "aptitude purge '~i~Vdotdeb'" *before* "aptitude search ~c" or did you use slightly different commands? |
| 10:15.11 | babilen | BW^-: Well, it looks ok, but I would have expected some configuration files to remain (as you didn't purge anything so far) -- but then I also don't know anything about the dotdeb packages and am not sure how they actually implement "remove" |
| 10:15.12 | BW^- | babilen: exactly that yes |
| 10:15.48 | BW^- | babilen: ok, well let's guess it worked and if it didn't well notice soon, that's a fair enough approach for here right now |
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| 10:15.59 | babilen | BW^-: Well, run a "aptitude purge ~c" and "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" just to make sure and then remove dotdeb from the sources.list and continue |
| 10:16.05 | babilen | brb |
| 10:16.18 | BW^- | k |
| 10:16.30 | RLa | is it just me or wheezy boots way slower than sueeze? |
| 10:16.54 | RLa | and why it uses those fancy messages with colors at boot |
| 10:17.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | no, wifi tether |
| 10:18.12 | themill | RLa: the "fancy messages" are much easier to read on wide screens (and won't slow your boot down) |
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| 10:19.01 | RLa | what wide screen, isn't it 80 chars on all machines during bootup? |
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| 10:21.19 | themill | RLa: no |
| 10:22.22 | RLa | also, why messages disappear when tty console appears for login |
| 10:22.31 | themill | !noclear |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | Since util-linux v2.20 (Debian Wheezy/7.0 and later releases), <agetty> clears the screen before prompting for the login name. To prevent this, add the --noclear option in /etc/inittab, for example: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty --noclear 38400 tty1 |
| 10:22.52 | RLa | i spotted some red and now it's hiding it :/ |
| 10:22.54 | RLa | oh ok |
| 10:23.12 | simonlnu | damn, *that's* what's happened... |
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| 10:23.48 | simonlnu | i have a custom /etc/issue with a giant debian logo plus some other stuff i got from karsten YEARS ago, and still use. |
| 10:24.16 | waallen | Yo, I've been trying to install both squeeze and wheezy using a netinstall CD (both with and without non-free firmware) and there is no way to get either my ethernet card or wireless card to work during the installation process. I have a JMicron PCI-E Ethernet adapter and an Intel Wireless N-1030 card. I also tried supplying on USB support the wi-fi drivers as requested by the installation |
| 10:24.16 | waallen | process (iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode). |
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| 10:26.02 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.22 | mah454 | NOTE : I have not 50000 user ! |
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| 10:27.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i see something but i dont understand.. |
| 10:27.20 | specing | NOTE: I understand not what mah454 is saying or/and wanting |
| 10:27.34 | simonlnu | (BTW, if anyone wants a copy, just ask me) |
| 10:28.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.12 | mah454 | spacepup: I want to trubleshooting my server . and need 50000 pptp connection . |
| 10:29.39 | mah454 | spacepup: but i have not this users . |
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| 10:29.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | its skipping since its adhoc? bah! how do i undo that? |
| 10:29.55 | mah454 | I need your idea |
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| 10:30.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | well its too late now i got stop ttyl |
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| 10:34.16 | Gerben | Hello. I have a silly question.. I have written a thin-client app. For usb-disk support, which the freerdp seams to be working on, I have created a temporarily work around. I listen for udev events of added usb-storage devices and then mount them, kill xfreerdp and manually redirect the added device. This works fine. However I cannot get the user the thin-client app is running under (regular user) to write to the usb disk. I tried all so |
| 10:34.17 | Gerben | rts of user,uid and gid mount options, but I keep getting permission denied errors. |
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| 10:35.05 | Gerben | I now basically do sudo mount /dev/<devicenode> <mountpoint> |
| 10:35.12 | simonlnu | use usbmount or something to auto-mount those |
| 10:35.41 | simonlnu | g'night |
| 10:36.10 | Gerben | tried that, didn't work |
| 10:36.24 | Gerben | usbmount didn't do anything and I couldn't discover why not |
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| 10:37.20 | SlaSerX | hi |
| 10:37.23 | Gerben | but the mounting works fine, so I just need some tweaking for the rw stuff I think. |
| 10:37.23 | SlaSerX | why i dont can install |
| 10:37.29 | SlaSerX | debian 6 64bit |
| 10:37.31 | SlaSerX | on my server |
| 10:37.42 | SlaSerX | poweredge 2600 |
| 10:37.46 | Gerben | did you put the CD in (be more specific) |
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| 10:38.05 | SlaSerX | Intel® XEON™ III 2.4GHz |
| 10:38.13 | Gerben | not with specs |
| 10:38.26 | Gerben | how you install (PXE, cd, usb), and the error you get |
| 10:38.41 | SlaSerX | i test with 2 version on 64 bit debian but dont run install .. . |
| 10:39.15 | SlaSerX | with amd64 and .. . |
| 10:39.16 | Gerben | ok, you boot a CD or a DVD? |
| 10:39.21 | SlaSerX | CD |
| 10:39.23 | SlaSerX | netinstall |
| 10:39.25 | SlaSerX | but dont start |
| 10:39.28 | thewanderer1 | ahem, Xeon III does not sound like 64-bit at all |
| 10:39.28 | SlaSerX | installation |
| 10:39.39 | SlaSerX | screen froozen on boot menu |
| 10:39.45 | SlaSerX | when i click to install |
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| 10:40.11 | thewanderer1 | use the i386 disc, your CPU does not support 64 bits |
| 10:40.13 | SlaSerX | yeah but |
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| 10:40.17 | SlaSerX | i386 |
| 10:40.23 | SlaSerX | dont listen my RAM |
| 10:40.30 | SlaSerX | listen only 3GB |
| 10:40.33 | SlaSerX | but i have 6 |
| 10:40.41 | SlaSerX | indexed only 3GB |
| 10:40.42 | thewanderer1 | does not matter, it will work later |
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| 10:41.16 | SlaSerX | i`m not sure for that |
| 10:41.20 | Gerben | if you have a 32bit processor, PAE is your only option. Like thewanderer1 that will work later. |
| 10:41.27 | SlaSerX | ok |
| 10:41.37 | SlaSerX | but i run 10 mysql process |
| 10:41.45 | SlaSerX | and ram it`s out |
| 10:41.58 | SlaSerX | only for the test |
| 10:42.05 | SlaSerX | what is PAE |
| 10:42.06 | thewanderer1 | SlaSerX: use the i386 disc, you will fix the RAM problem later. |
| 10:42.12 | boudiccas | slasso? yoiu still need i386 |
| 10:42.12 | SlaSerX | how i can fix |
| 10:42.15 | SlaSerX | later |
| 10:42.27 | thewanderer1 | SlaSerX: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem; reboot; |
| 10:42.39 | SlaSerX | and problem has ben fixed ? |
| 10:42.48 | SlaSerX | now i use |
| 10:42.49 | SlaSerX | root@airlan:/# uname -a |
| 10:42.49 | SlaSerX | Linux airlan 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:42.49 | SlaSerX | root@airlan:/# |
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| 10:43.01 | thewanderer1 | SlaSerX: yes |
| 10:43.10 | SlaSerX | can u paste me again command |
| 10:43.11 | SlaSerX | please |
| 10:43.15 | thewanderer1 | SlaSerX: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem; reboot; |
| 10:43.20 | SlaSerX | thx man |
| 10:43.27 | SlaSerX | i chk now |
| 10:43.29 | boudiccas | slaserx, whats ben' got to do with it? |
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| 10:43.54 | SlaSerX | mysql server or cluster |
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| 10:45.22 | Gerben | SlaSerX, about PAE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 10:46.39 | SlaSerX | thx man |
| 10:47.17 | SlaSerX | i chk to solved my problem.. |
| 10:47.55 | SlaSerX | thx solved |
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| 11:05.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i guess i cant use adhoc like that booo |
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| 11:05.53 | nvz | ok so I got my new system up and running but apparently the nvidia drivers in squeeze are far too dated for the GT220, debian HCL doesnt even mention support for it. So any advice or tell me how to address the issue of setting env vars to use gcc 4.3 to compile upstream driver |
| 11:06.41 | nvz | running the nvidia binary said its trying to use 4.4 and kernel was compiled with 4.3 |
| 11:07.04 | Devastator | nvz i was going to recommend backports but i don't think it backport proprietary drivers.. |
| 11:07.28 | nvz | Devastator: yeah and I think kmuto's hcl would tell me if it was in any branch even backports |
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| 11:07.57 | nvz | Devastator: I'm just groggy and not sure offhand how to direct the env vars properly to gcc 4.3 so the module will link |
| 11:08.45 | nvz | I'm fairly confident the driver nvidia directed me to wil get the job done, just need to be using the right gcc |
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| 11:10.14 | nvz | examines the gcc-4.3 package |
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| 11:10.29 | themill | nvz: nvidia-kernel-dkms is in squeeze-backports. Just stick with the debian packages and all this is sorted for you |
| 11:11.14 | nvz | themill: this will get me 304.51? |
| 11:11.26 | themill | nvz: /msg judd versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 11:11.52 | themill | (no, but do you really need that version or is the previous version ok?) |
| 11:11.58 | thewanderer1 | nvz: uh, are you sure Squeeze's NVIDIA does not support that card? I think I have GT210 running on Squeeze |
| 11:12.23 | nvz | thewanderer1: yeah it went out to lunch on me to the point I couldnt even recover with SAK |
| 11:13.07 | nvz | squeeze-backports has 295.59 however experimental has 304.51 |
| 11:13.43 | nvz | nvidia website directed me to 304.51 for this GPU |
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| 11:14.01 | Devastator | that's because they always show latest |
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| 11:14.17 | thewanderer1 | use squeeze-backports |
| 11:14.28 | thewanderer1 | experimental will not help here... |
| 11:14.52 | nvz | yeah well rather than be aggrivated when I'm groggy and in pain I'm gonna use the nvidia binary and get on with my life.. I can remove it later when I feel better and see which debian package will work |
| 11:15.07 | nvz | I dont wanna be rebooting repeatedly cause it locks up like it did with the squeeze one |
| 11:15.27 | babilen | nvz: GT 220 *is* supported by 295.59 (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/README.txt) |
| 11:15.54 | nvz | babilen: well thats helpful ;) |
| 11:15.59 | babilen | I know :) |
| 11:16.32 | babilen | nvz: NVIDIA's website approach is: Let's recommend the latest, which doesn't mean that you actually *need* that version. |
| 11:16.48 | nvz | I got it working right now.. but now I know I can attempt to pull the squeeze-backport later |
| 11:16.50 | thewanderer1 | maybe the card is fubar, or you need to blacklist nouveau manually? |
| 11:16.50 | thewanderer1 | I really do not think using nvidia.com is going to help |
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| 11:17.28 | babilen | thewanderer1: IIRC nvidia's crapola installer does not blacklist nouveau automagically after it spent all its time overwriting system files |
| 11:17.32 | nvz | I actually gave no thought to 32 vs 64 bit last night when I installed.. and probaly wouldve rather went 64.. so I may be installing all over again at some point |
| 11:18.35 | nvz | pretty sure by now all the issues with 32bit only software have been resolved.. and this P4 can def do 64bit |
| 11:18.38 | Devastator | babilen and taintining the kernel |
| 11:19.10 | nvz | well I ran their crapfest after exporting the proper CC var and started X back up and saw nvidia logo, so its all good for now |
| 11:19.14 | thewanderer1 | well, any non-free module taints the kernel, including nvidia-kernel-dkms etc. |
| 11:19.25 | thewanderer1 | nvz: strange... |
| 11:19.42 | nvz | as for more perminant solutions I'll leave that for another day.. I still don't have a monitor yet so.. right now I'm just mostly benchmarking |
| 11:19.48 | thewanderer1 | maybe you had the wrong set of modules, compiled for a different kernel? dkms should've helped in any case ;P |
| 11:20.04 | nvz | hell I dont even have my ram yet.. the 2gb module I bought was the wrong kind.. I'm using only 512mb ram right now I had laying around |
| 11:20.28 | nvz | I didn't even install dkms I installed nvidia-kernel cause I was groggy and not thinking clearly |
| 11:20.50 | nvz | but either way if the plain squeeze stuff worked I think the hcl would've told me |
| 11:21.07 | thewanderer1 | the HCL is not perfect, especially when it comes to non-free modules |
| 11:21.16 | nvz | perhaps |
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| 11:23.14 | nvz | I was hoping the nvidia x settings thing would let me adjust the picture through software |
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| 11:23.16 | babilen | nvz: Check NVIDIA's README.txts -- They list the supported cards and there is one for each release version. (just manipulate the URL) |
| 11:23.51 | nvz | cause right now I'm at my cousin's house where he has two tvs and when he gets up he'll be using this one that works properly.. I'll be using the huge projection screen.. and the image goes off the screen |
| 11:24.16 | nvz | and that tv has absolutely no adjustments for h/v picture adjust.. been through the menu already |
| 11:24.36 | babilen | nvz: That reveals, for example, that you card is supported by the version in squeeze too (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt (search for "GT 220")) |
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| 11:24.43 | babilen | just saying |
| 11:25.03 | Devastator | appendix A |
| 11:25.14 | nvz | babilen: idk maybe its just the fact I used nvidia kernel and not nvidia dkms |
| 11:25.22 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 11:25.36 | nvz | cause one thing I could see when I was trying to SAK was that kernel said there were no nvidia cards found |
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| 11:26.34 | nvz | maybe its the simple fact this is a Leadtek Win-whatever GT220 |
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| 11:27.13 | nvz | either way the nvidia blob worked for now.. I'll likely be changing everything before I get it setup the right way.. I just wanted it to work now.. and thats solved |
| 11:27.30 | thewanderer1 | I bet it's because you had a non-standard kernel (maybe an ABI incompatibility between Squeeze releases?) and actually needed to compile the module, which dkms would've done |
| 11:27.54 | nvz | fresh squeeze install, kernel is stock 686 kernel |
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| 11:28.53 | nvz | but yeah I'll try dkms from squeeze then backports first when I get around to doing it again |
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| 11:29.12 | nvz | right now I just wanna do some testing and see if I need case fans..etc |
| 11:29.28 | nvz | nowhere near ready to set this machine up perm yet |
| 11:30.17 | nvz | and sadly the nvidia x config doesnt seem to be able to help with the picture adjust I was fairly sure it could do that |
| 11:30.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm, doesn't the monitor have an adjust option? |
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| 11:31.31 | nvz | nope.. went all through the menus.. most it has is a widescreen setting, zoom and not zoom whatever its called |
| 11:31.40 | nvz | zoom makes it go futher off the screen |
| 11:32.00 | nvz | using HDMI on a huge old Sony Projection Screen tv |
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| 11:32.15 | nvz | seems to only go up to 720p |
| 11:32.23 | Gam3rGirl | http://is.gd/ZsI5ia |
| 11:32.34 | bazhang | !ops | Gam3rGirl |
| 11:32.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bazhang complains about: | Gam3rGirl |
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| 11:32.47 | nvz | though for all I know, now that I got the nvidia driver working it may be right.. idk.. |
| 11:32.51 | Gam3rGirl | :( |
| 11:32.54 | nvz | I switched TVs for right now |
| 11:33.05 | nvz | but once Joey wakes up, he's gonna want this one back |
| 11:33.12 | julius_ | do you guys know a good vps review site? looking for vps in europe/us |
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| 11:33.39 | themill | bazhang: thanks |
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| 11:33.49 | bazhang | themill, welcome |
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| 11:42.59 | j-tizzle | i want to add a locally compiled app to the list of choices in update-alternatives (x-terminal-emulator). can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 11:49.23 | nvz | j-tizzle: the manpage is pretty straight forward, explains the --install option quite well |
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| 11:50.00 | j-tizzle | nvz: after i posted that i remembered this is debian and therefore has useful manpages. that helps. thank you. i'm on the right track. |
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| 11:55.05 | boudiccas | occasionally, my mouse loses focus and becomes a bastyardised mouse from hell, and unable to click on anything. i manage this, curreb |
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| 11:55.44 | boudiccas | ntly, by crashing out of my session but what is the best way of regaining control of my mouse please? |
| 11:56.33 | BW^- | what's a good program to install to make the machine start receiving email? |
| 11:56.48 | boudiccas | claws mail |
| 11:57.31 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: what do you mean by loses focus? |
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| 11:57.57 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, it is unable to click on anything but can be moved round the screen |
| 11:58.30 | thewanderer1 | do windows refresh, or is all GUI frozen? |
| 11:58.54 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, no, the window is okay, its just the mouse that is playing up |
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| 11:59.30 | thewanderer1 | have you got other input devices like touchpads, touchscreens, tablets, trackpoints etc? |
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| 11:59.37 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, i can move between the desktops with CTRL + ALT +ARROW KEY |
| 11:59.52 | boudiccas | theanno, just the mouse |
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| 12:00.11 | Armand | Tried replugging it ? |
| 12:00.43 | boudiccas | Armand, i've tried that in the past and it made no difference at all |
| 12:00.51 | thewanderer1 | a similar issue sometimes happens to me if I switch inputs too fast... like if I press the touch screen at the same time I'm using the touchpad - then one of them stops reacting and I have to use the other to unfreeze input |
| 12:01.08 | thewanderer1 | I figure it's a GNOME or a GTK bug |
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| 12:01.30 | boudiccas | i'm running xfce, with gnome also installed, on wheezy |
| 12:01.39 | Armand | Well, I can only suggest a restart, in that case. :( |
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| 12:02.56 | thewanderer1 | never seen any issues when only one device is present, though |
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| 12:03.56 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, its weird because the shape also changes into some odd thing with no known what it looks like, and it just 'loses focus' |
| 12:05.11 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have a strange problem. All my NFS files have owner/group nodoby/nogroup |
| 12:05.21 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: are you on NFSv4? |
| 12:05.25 | FilipeMaia | yes |
| 12:05.28 | thewanderer1 | fix your idmap |
| 12:05.38 | FilipeMaia | can I just not have idmap? |
| 12:05.53 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 12:06.04 | FilipeMaia | I want things to have the same userid/gid as in the server |
| 12:06.08 | FilipeMaia | how do i achieve this? |
| 12:06.17 | thewanderer1 | NFSv3 uses UID/GID, NFSv4 uses idmap |
| 12:06.49 | FilipeMaia | and there's no backward compability option to help us? |
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| 12:07.13 | thewanderer1 | no, you need to use idmap with NFSv4, so you need same usernames on the server and the client to be resolvable by nss |
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| 12:07.38 | FilipeMaia | they are resolvable on the client, just not on the server |
| 12:07.45 | thewanderer1 | so make them resolvable on the server |
| 12:08.16 | FilipeMaia | but i also dont' want to allow them to login on the server |
| 12:08.33 | FilipeMaia | i'm not sure how to make them resolvable but prevent login |
| 12:08.37 | thewanderer1 | man sshd_config # look for "AllowGroups and AllowUsers" |
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| 12:10.21 | FilipeMaia | i'll give it a try |
| 12:10.24 | boudiccas | this has just appeared in the hourly logcheck .. warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended ... presumably i'd need to reboot for it to run? and will it run automatically? its a long time since i've done a fsck or e2fsck |
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| 12:10.39 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: yes to all |
| 12:10.58 | FilipeMaia | boudiccas: you don't need to reboot, but that would work |
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| 12:11.14 | boudiccas | thewan thanks, just checking |
| 12:11.23 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, sorry |
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| 12:19.32 | redwarriors25 | is there any conflict when i migrate my files in squeeze from lenny |
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| 12:21.25 | abrotman | conflict of what? |
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| 12:22.22 | mooperd | I have been playing around with echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 12:22.59 | mooperd | I can see the block accesses in dmesg but these logs are not being pushed to /var/log/messages |
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| 12:23.39 | mooperd | What is the process for the collation of kernel messages by dmesg and is it possible to redirect this output to a file? |
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| 12:23.48 | jelly | mooperd: you want /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:24.17 | jelly | mooperd: or read your syslog configuration and figure out where kern.* goes |
| 12:25.12 | mooperd | jelly: ta |
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| 12:49.10 | Eagleman | Why am i seeing this in the smdb log? |
| 12:49.11 | Eagleman | [2012/10/10 14:41:56.417597, 0] lib/smbldap.c:731(smb_ldap_start_tls) |
| 12:49.12 | Eagleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.24 | Eagleman | [2012/10/10 14:41:56.417660, 1] lib/smbldap.c:1330(another_ldap_try) |
| 12:49.25 | Eagleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.38 | Eagleman | When i do ldapsearch to the local host it will work fine |
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| 12:50.02 | DotHack | Eagleman: its trying to use TLS encryption but fails |
| 12:50.44 | Eagleman | But ldap isnt connected with TLS |
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| 12:54.07 | DammitJim | what do I need to do to configure my terminal so that it shows colors when editing bash scripts? |
| 12:54.26 | Eagleman | Any idea where i can see if it is using TLS? |
| 12:55.43 | SlaSerX | how to preconfigure roundcube |
| 12:55.47 | Chousuke | gah. does anyone have a good trick to make the evolution mail client actually work properly? |
| 12:55.50 | SlaSerX | dpkg-preconfigure ? |
| 12:55.56 | SlaSerX | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 12:56.18 | Chousuke | I get completely random minute-long pauses during which the whole thing is unresponsive. for apparently no reason. |
| 12:56.31 | Shadur | Chousuke: Violence, swearing, and apt-get --purge install mutt evolution- |
| 12:59.29 | Chousuke | I suppose I should just go with thunderbird. |
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| 13:00.16 | boudiccas | Chousuke, try claws mail |
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| 13:02.58 | niels1 | DammitJim, you need to use an editor that supports syntax highlighting. and you may have to configure the editor to actually highlight the syntax. terminals usually don't need to be specifically set up if they are already capable of displaying colors |
| 13:03.14 | DammitJim | niels1, thanks |
| 13:03.25 | DammitJim | I am finding out that I don't have vim or something |
| 13:03.55 | DammitJim | /usr/bin/vi points to /etc/alternatives/vi |
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| 13:04.12 | niels1 | DammitJim, and what does /etc/alternatives/vi point to? |
| 13:04.36 | DammitJim | vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 13:05.11 | niels1 | DammitJim, aptitude install vim |
| 13:05.21 | DammitJim | niels1, LOL... I just did that |
| 13:05.27 | DammitJim | I don't know why I thought I already had vim |
| 13:05.56 | DammitJim | niels1, is there a standard way to have vi point to vim? |
| 13:06.14 | niels1 | DammitJim, yes, update-alternatives --config vi |
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| 13:07.00 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: vim may be vim-tiny by default, which lacks syntax highlighting et al... see other vim packages, maybe you only have the tiny one installed? |
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| 13:07.25 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, yup... now I can set ft and stuff |
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| 13:12.11 | Eagleman | Why is samba not working: http://pastebin.com/STAwqMgi |
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| 13:12.53 | Chousuke | boudiccas: I guess I'll have to give it a shot |
| 13:13.37 | Chousuke | it seems most gtk clients either have crappy search, are slow and crashy, or have a terrible clunky UI :P |
| 13:13.57 | boudiccas | Chousuke, its good, i've been using it for about a fortnight, a refugee from thunderbird, and apart from the bogofilter going awry its behaved very well |
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| 13:14.25 | Chousuke | claws' UI doesn't seem very inviting either but I guess I'll manage |
| 13:15.23 | pppoe_dude | Hello. I'm having a problem with my hard disk (I think), but I'm not sure if I should totally write off the drive. Upon boot, every week or so I get this message:"/dev/sda3: unexpected inconsistency ... fsck dies with exit code 4 ... File system check failed ... " then it asks me to go to single user mode. I do a manual fsck, boots fine, only to do the same thing after a week or so --- some of the error messages prior contain "/dev/sda3: the |
| 13:15.24 | pppoe_dude | re are X inodes containing Multiply claimed blocks"... I did a full read/write fsck yesterday and it seemed to run successfully and fix the bad blocks on the disk, but it ended with: "kernel panic-not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" and "[drm:drm_fb_helper_panic] *ERROR* Panic occurred, switching back to text console" which may be unrelated. Any ideas? |
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| 13:16.51 | boudiccas | Chousuke, one thing you have to be aware of, is that claws mail leaves the mail on the server for about a week before removing it, but you can change that in the preferences |
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| 13:17.22 | Chousuke | you mean trash? or what |
| 13:17.28 | Chousuke | I tend to keep all my mail on the server anyway |
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| 13:17.53 | boudiccas | Chousuke, no, its one of the options in prefernces, which leaves it on the server by default |
| 13:20.32 | boudiccas | Chousuke, but #claws here on freenode is very good with support |
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| 13:20.54 | norbert_ | in Debian stable, how can I make openoffice remember words I add to the standard.dic |
| 13:24.05 | Chousuke | boudiccas: I can't find any such option on the preferences :/ |
| 13:24.19 | Chousuke | is it part of some plugin? |
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| 13:26.18 | boudiccas | Chousuke, no, let me jus check it out |
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| 13:28.39 | boudiccas | Chousuke, configuration > prefernces for current account > recieve > 2nd box down |
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| 13:29.29 | Chousuke | oh, is that a POP3 setting? I use IMAP only. |
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| 13:30.02 | boudiccas | Chousuke, dont know if its pop3, but thats where the setting is |
| 13:30.03 | Sandokan | hi |
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| 13:30.30 | Chousuke | Well, I'm not seeing it, so it probably doesn't apply to imap then. |
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| 13:30.45 | Sandokan | any advice for books/tutorial about assembly programming on a debian system? |
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| 13:33.47 | Chousuke | anyway, after removing some unnecessary elements from the claws UI it's looking pretty nice. And it starts up in less than half a second unlike evolution which takes a few seconds :P |
| 13:34.40 | boudiccas | Chousuke, its good, and just sits there quietly working away without intervention, so you can read your emails when you want |
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| 13:35.21 | Chousuke | it's impressive how evolution can take about five times longer to start than firefox |
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| 13:41.16 | roylaprattep | Someone's there to help me ? |
| 13:41.41 | Sevet | !tell roylaprattep about ask |
| 13:42.03 | roylaprattep | !tell |
| 13:42.05 | boudiccas | hmm, i foresse a problem when i next reboot. its going to run 'e2fsck' which will ask me questions but with this monitor and graphics card i dont see any output between the grub menu and the gdm3 login screen. how do i do it then please? |
| 13:42.15 | roylaprattep | !tell ask |
| 13:42.36 | nkuttler | roylaprattep: check your messages.. |
| 13:42.39 | boudiccas | foresee |
| 13:42.41 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: try the single-user mode in GRUB? it should disable console font setting I think |
| 13:42.49 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: try nomodeset too |
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| 13:43.49 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, single-user mode? all i get is the wheezy kernel and recovery option of it, and the old squeeze kernel and recovery option. nothing seemingly related to 'single-user mode' |
| 13:43.59 | mooperd | Does anyone know |
| 13:44.23 | mooperd | how I can read memory at address ffffffff81e25aa0 |
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| 13:44.41 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: it's called recovery in GRUB, yeah |
| 13:45.17 | roylaprattep | I have Debian Squeeze and one Intel 82574L (eth1, LAN) and one 82579V(eth0, WAN) and I have one bug that tell me in my terminal "eth1.... reset adapter" after this I can't see my LAN anymore and have to reboot my computer to bring it back ? |
| 13:45.24 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: also, fsck should not ask you about anything, unless you have catastrophic breakage going on on the FS |
| 13:45.28 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, ah right. i think i've used it in the recent past but didnt get any flashing cursor showing that it wanted some input |
| 13:46.24 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, okay, thanks. i'll just let it run for half an hour which should be plenty of time for a 160g hard drive |
| 13:46.45 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: ext3 or ext4? |
| 13:46.54 | boudiccas | theanext3 |
| 13:47.03 | thewanderer1 | aha, yes, give it some time |
| 13:47.04 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, xt3 |
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| 13:47.42 | mrbean | Hello, how does debian rotate its logs? |
| 13:48.18 | thewanderer1 | mrbean: see /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 13:48.32 | Sandokan-nick | ,dpkg partprobe |
| 13:48.51 | mrbean | I have a rsyslogd in /etc/init.d/ , what does it do? |
| 13:49.08 | init | hi |
| 13:49.14 | init | oh |
| 13:49.21 | Sevet | mrbean: it's the logging daemon, it collects logs sent to syslog and writes them to disk |
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| 13:49.41 | Sandokan-nick | is partprobe in the debian stable repo? i tried 'apt-get search partprobe' but i cant find it . i need it to refresh the partition table for the kernel to see a new partition i've just created via fdisk |
| 13:49.54 | Sevet | mrbean: logrotate runs daily as a cronjob, moves the old log files and tells rsyslog to reopen them (and handles other programs which log to their own files too) |
| 13:50.13 | mrbean | aahh, ok , thank you very much. |
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| 13:50.21 | Sevet | !tell Sandokan-nick about apt-file |
| 13:51.05 | mrbean | I thought rsyslogd was going to rotate them so I disabled logrotate in cron.daily and my logs have not been rotated since july :-) thank you bye. |
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| 13:51.20 | nyuszika7h | sudo init 6 |
| 13:51.21 | nyuszika7h | oops |
| 13:51.30 | thewanderer1 | reboots nyuszika7h |
| 13:51.34 | nyuszika7h | lol |
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| 13:52.16 | init | kills nyuszika7h |
| 13:52.23 | nyuszika7h | D: |
| 13:52.26 | Sandokan-nick | Sevet: cool :) thanks |
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| 13:55.03 | ska | Is there a way to go to the Raid setup (and skip partition setup) in the installer? |
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| 13:55.44 | ska | I have 4 disks that are pre-partitioned, and want to simply setup raid. |
| 13:56.16 | Sandokan-nick | ska: i never did it but there could be a RAID option during the installation if you choose 'advanced' (or 'expert') install at the boot menu |
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| 13:59.26 | ska | ok.. I'll try it. |
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| 13:59.29 | jhutchins | Gah. Stupid xfce xterm is intercepting F-keys.. |
| 13:59.36 | FilipeMaia | Hi I have a problem with NFSv4. All the files have username/group nobody/nogroup |
| 13:59.36 | julius_ | do you guys know a good vps review site? looking for vps in europe/us |
| 13:59.53 | FilipeMaia | I have made sure that both the server and the client has access to the same usernames |
| 13:59.57 | ska | Does Debian 6 use Grub1 by default? |
| 14:00.53 | ska | looks like Grub-2 though. |
| 14:03.04 | ska | julius_: inception hosting |
| 14:03.17 | ska | julius_: lowendbox.com has some info |
| 14:03.33 | sc_ | julius_: i love linode.com |
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| 14:05.23 | KsM | could someone [running wheezy amd64] please upload these binary files for me: http://paste.debian.net/198532/ |
| 14:05.27 | ska | Is there a detailed howto on the debian installer, or some screenshots? |
| 14:05.49 | KsM | need to rescue a system quickly |
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| 14:06.19 | nyuszika7h | !ping |
| 14:06.19 | dpkg | Yes, nyuszika7h you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 14:06.23 | nyuszika7h | :o |
| 14:06.28 | themill | KsM: why don't you just unpack the .deb? |
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| 14:06.40 | thewanderer1 | themill: I think he's the one who deleted dpkg... |
| 14:06.49 | themill | ar and tar are presumably still there |
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| 14:07.48 | Sevet | KsM: what does 'which ar tar' tell you? |
| 14:08.00 | Sevet | 'which wget ar tar' rather |
| 14:08.13 | jhutchins | Bah. xterm isn't passing alt-number to irssi. |
| 14:08.35 | Sevet | oh and gzip/bzip2 |
| 14:08.54 | thewanderer1 | KsM: http://rkaw.pl/recovery.tar ? |
| 14:09.06 | Sevet | if you have all the above you can download (wget) the .deb containing them from packages.debian.org, 'ar x' to extract the data.tar.gz and tar to extract the missing files from that |
| 14:09.41 | thewanderer1 | oh, right, that |
| 14:09.55 | niels1 | jhutchins, you can configure xfce-terminal not to intercept those key combinations |
| 14:10.48 | KsM | themill: it just hangs [I don't ahve the original and was trying to use a copy from ubuntu] |
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| 14:10.59 | KsM | Sevet: I'm only missing dpkg, those are there |
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| 14:11.16 | themill | KsM: "it"? |
| 14:11.29 | KsM | dpkg hangs |
| 14:11.29 | dpkg | no idea, KsM |
| 14:11.43 | themill | KsM: after extracting it again with ar? |
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| 14:12.21 | Sevet | 'it' being the ubuntu or wheezy version? |
| 14:13.04 | KsM | ubuntu |
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| 14:19.44 | KsM | thewanderer1: thank you very much |
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| 14:23.06 | FilipeMaia | I have a problem login in on a debian machine with a DSA ssh key |
| 14:23.11 | FilipeMaia | it works in all my other machines |
| 14:23.14 | FilipeMaia | what could be the problem? |
| 14:23.28 | bartus | hello, got a problem with multiarch. Need libssl0.9.8:i386 for utorrent server to work, but when execute "apt-get install libssl0.9.8:i386" it says that python 2.5 has to be removed [sic!] http://paste.debian.net/198536/ |
| 14:23.43 | themill | FilipeMaia: are the other machines debian/ubuntu machines too? How old is this key? |
| 14:23.47 | ironm | Hello. Please allow me one question. What does the following error message (after kernel panic) mean? Thank you in advance for any hints. I didn't find anything on the net what would answer my question: |
| 14:24.06 | ironm | [ 3.216889] Pid: 1, comm: init Not tainted 3.5-trunk-amd64 #1 Debian 3.5.5-1~experimental.1 |
| 14:24.13 | FilipeMaia | themill: i don't know how old the key is, a few years old. Some of the other machines are debian, others are centos |
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| 14:24.34 | ironm | It happens with debian sid (debian live image) |
| 14:24.37 | themill | FilipeMaia: I'm just wondering if it's a vulnerable key that matches the blacklist |
| 14:24.41 | themill | !dsa1571 |
| 14:24.42 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys . Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 14:25.16 | FilipeMaia | I doubt |
| 14:25.20 | FilipeMaia | themill: http://paste.debian.net/198540/ |
| 14:25.24 | FilipeMaia | Here's the ssh output |
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| 14:25.54 | Chousuke | ironm: I'm pretty sure it just means you haven't loaded any binary blob drivers |
| 14:26.01 | FilipeMaia | themill: some of the other debian machine also have the blacklist installed |
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| 14:26.30 | ironm | thanks a lot Chousuke |
| 14:27.25 | themill | FilipeMaia: can you look at what sshd is saying at the other end? /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:27.45 | FilipeMaia | themill: i found an error message but it makes no sense |
| 14:27.52 | raidhtc | kalispera sas |
| 14:27.53 | FilipeMaia | themill lautrec sshd[1616]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/filipe/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 14:28.01 | FilipeMaia | themill: -rw------- 1 filipe xray 601 Aug 8 18:01 authorized_keys |
| 14:28.11 | Sevet | what about the .ssh directory? |
| 14:28.14 | themill | FilipeMaia: yeah, that was my next guess. check all the directories up to that |
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| 14:28.27 | Sevet | if any users have +w on the directory they can replace the file whatever its perms |
| 14:29.04 | FilipeMaia | themill: .ssh is also 700 |
| 14:29.08 | FilipeMaia | owned by the user |
| 14:29.26 | FilipeMaia | the home is 755 |
| 14:29.27 | Sevet | FilipeMaia: chmod go-w $HOME $HOME/.ssh |
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| 14:30.01 | FilipeMaia | that worked |
| 14:30.04 | FilipeMaia | although i don't know how |
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| 14:31.11 | Sevet | guessing one of the modes wasn't what you thought as it should've had no effect on 700/755 |
| 14:31.19 | FilipeMaia | the output from ls -la was the same |
| 14:31.34 | Sevet | ah well - it works now :) |
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| 14:31.52 | FilipeMaia | this is very strange |
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| 14:34.06 | FilipeMaia | maybe it had something to do with the root_squash |
| 14:34.16 | FilipeMaia | i had root_squash on and removed it |
| 14:34.24 | FilipeMaia | but it still makes no senes |
| 14:34.39 | thewanderer1 | oh, you're the one who had problems with NFS? |
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| 14:35.00 | FilipeMaia | i was |
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| 14:35.12 | FilipeMaia | turns out i had forgotten to reload the idmapd on the server side |
| 14:35.15 | thewanderer1 | ssh actually checks if your home is group/other-writable :P |
| 14:35.18 | FilipeMaia | after setting domain = localdomain |
| 14:36.11 | FilipeMaia | for example now I have permission set to 600 |
| 14:36.17 | FilipeMaia | with root_squash on |
| 14:36.21 | FilipeMaia | and cannot login |
| 14:36.37 | FilipeMaia | I get Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/filipe/.ssh |
| 14:36.47 | FilipeMaia | Lets change the root_squash |
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| 14:37.14 | FilipeMaia | still does not work |
| 14:37.16 | thewanderer1 | that is not surprising, you have root_squash enabled |
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| 14:37.28 | FilipeMaia | now i disabled |
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| 14:37.33 | FilipeMaia | and reloaded the nfs server |
| 14:37.37 | thewanderer1 | well, what's the ownership on that directory? |
| 14:37.42 | FilipeMaia | it's the user |
| 14:37.47 | FilipeMaia | filipe.xray |
| 14:37.51 | thewanderer1 | (I think you may need to remount the fs, too) |
| 14:37.54 | FilipeMaia | right |
| 14:38.01 | FilipeMaia | i think when i did the chown |
| 14:38.05 | FilipeMaia | chmod really |
| 14:38.16 | FilipeMaia | it might have somehow refreashed something |
| 14:38.27 | FilipeMaia | even though i can immediately do an ls -la of the directory with root |
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| 14:38.46 | SiDz | root@SiD:/etc/cron.d# cat squid-analyzer |
| 14:38.47 | SiDz | 0 2 * * * /usr/local/bin/squid-analyzer > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:38.50 | SiDz | that is working right? |
| 14:39.07 | SiDz | i prefer to add it like that instead of adding it in root crontab |
| 14:39.13 | SiDz | just want to know if its ok |
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| 14:42.10 | FilipeMaia | funny, now it doesn't work again |
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| 14:43.28 | otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
| 14:43.31 | FilipeMaia | now the chmod trick doesn't seem to work |
| 14:43.40 | FilipeMaia | i even already remounted it |
| 14:44.18 | Sevet | FilipeMaia: ls -ld $HOME $HOME/.ssh $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 14:45.01 | otkrick | Hi! Do you know html-editors with web-based user interface? |
| 14:45.04 | FilipeMaia | oh that's a funny one |
| 14:45.06 | FilipeMaia | ls: cannot access /home/filipe/.ssh/authorized_keys: Permission denied |
| 14:45.20 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: which once again proves that your idmap is borked... |
| 14:45.35 | Sevet | in order mine are drwxr-xr-x, drwxr-xr-x, -rw-r--r-- (0755, 0755, 0644) |
| 14:45.36 | thewanderer1 | who pulled that cable? :/ |
| 14:45.41 | FilipeMaia | FilipeMaia: it does look like it |
| 14:45.44 | Sevet | hmm, what're the uid/gid then? and do you have +x on the parents? |
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| 14:46.02 | FilipeMaia | as root I see this |
| 14:46.03 | FilipeMaia | -rw------- 1 filipe xray 601 Aug 8 18:01 authorized_keys |
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| 14:46.10 | FilipeMaia | which is the same userid/gid as the user |
| 14:46.30 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: you're using sec=sys, right? no kerberos? |
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| 14:46.33 | Sevet | 'ls: cannot access /home/filipe/.ssh/authorized_keys: Permission denied' would be a missing r or x on one of the parent dirs |
| 14:46.42 | Sevet | either $HOME or $HOME/.ssh |
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| 14:46.55 | FilipeMaia | oh, right that could be |
| 14:46.58 | Sevet | (or perhaps even / or /home, but i doubt that...) |
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| 14:47.35 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: you're right, silly me |
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| 14:47.55 | FilipeMaia | I got excited chmod everything 600 |
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| 14:48.03 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 14:48.32 | FilipeMaia | ok i'll try it once again just to make sure i understand what's going on |
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| 14:49.27 | Sevet | yea that'd do it ;) |
| 14:49.32 | FilipeMaia | should I be able to login without passwords with root_squash on? |
| 14:49.46 | FilipeMaia | the authorized_keys is nfs mounted |
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| 14:50.16 | ratcheer | I have a somewhat related question. I just did a fresh install. Should I import my gpg keys into main user's or root's home? Or both? |
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| 14:50.18 | FilipeMaia | I seem to be able to do it |
| 14:51.06 | ksk | ratcheer: why would root need that gpg keys? |
| 14:51.06 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: I thought you were logging on as root, so I said you need no_root_squash... but as a user, that should not be required |
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| 14:51.19 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: i see, ok |
| 14:51.26 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: btw. out of curiosity, what is your NFS server? Debian? |
| 14:51.35 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: now it's a centos |
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| 14:52.00 | thewanderer1 | oh. I'm just surveing if anybody has a working NFSv4 server on Wheezy - it seems to be particularly broken these days |
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| 14:52.21 | FilipeMaia | ok things seem to be working, although i didn't quite understand what was wrong |
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| 14:52.38 | thewanderer1 | your directory was non-traversible because of -x |
| 14:52.38 | FilipeMaia | I wanted to install debian but it didn't support my RAID controllers unfortunately |
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| 14:52.51 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: yes that time i understood |
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| 14:53.06 | thewanderer1 | have you got hardware RAID in there? or fakeRAID? |
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| 14:53.23 | ratcheer | ksk: I'm not sure. The tutorial I'm looking at uses root. I thought they should be under my personal id and that is where I imported them. I am just asking if root needs them. |
| 14:53.38 | Sevet | FilipeMaia: i think root_squash only maps the root uid on the nfs server, not the local machine. if ls still shows authorized_keys locally as 0.0 it'd work fine. |
| 14:53.45 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: bug #684708 |
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| 14:54.04 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: it's Intel fakish raid |
| 14:54.10 | thewanderer1 | mdadm: support external metadata arrays correctly |
| 14:54.15 | thewanderer1 | oh, why are you using fake RAID? |
| 14:54.17 | Sevet | if it's only fakeraid (which is most chips) you're probably as well off using mdadm |
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| 14:54.22 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: for the OS |
| 14:54.30 | thewanderer1 | why? |
| 14:54.44 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: because i don't need real HW raid for it |
| 14:54.46 | thewanderer1 | mdadm works just as well |
| 14:54.52 | Sevet | or sometimes better |
| 14:54.56 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: it's much easier to boot from it |
| 14:54.59 | thewanderer1 | you should not be using fakeraid, it only brings you pain |
| 14:55.04 | Sevet | it's more hardware independant too |
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| 14:55.23 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: it's hard to get software raid to boot from any of a raid 1 array |
| 14:55.32 | thewanderer1 | it's actually easy |
| 14:55.32 | Sevet | no it's not |
| 14:55.36 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: intel fakeraid integrates with the BIOS |
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| 14:55.48 | thewanderer1 | I know... still not an advantage |
| 14:55.51 | Sevet | it's easy. grub can boot off a md software raid array directly |
| 14:55.53 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: i have to select a boot device from the BIOS |
| 14:56.05 | Sevet | you just install grub to the MBR of every drive |
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| 14:56.26 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: just select all disks that are parts of the RAID and you're set |
| 14:56.29 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: but it's easy to get stuck with the BIOS on a bad drive |
| 14:57.27 | FilipeMaia | thewanderer1: and it's not hard to add support for this fakeraid, it's just a couple of small tweaks the patches have been submitted |
| 14:57.30 | Sevet | you mean trying to read the mbr of a failed drive'd hang? it should timeout and move on. if not just reboot and remove that drive from the boot order. |
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| 14:57.49 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: yes but that's precisely what i would like to avoid |
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| 14:58.14 | thewanderer1 | FilipeMaia: you're free to do as you please, but I've had far more trouble with fakeraid (as illustrated in the bug report!) than with mdadm |
| 14:58.20 | Sevet | i've just had 3 drives fail in a mdadm server. it continued booting off the 4th drive with no problems even though it was 4th in the boot order. |
| 14:58.23 | FilipeMaia | In any case it's happily running this softraid which is mdadm by the way |
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| 14:58.31 | FilipeMaia | Intel fakeraid is mdadm |
| 14:58.39 | FilipeMaia | just with some bios integration |
| 14:58.48 | thewanderer1 | not dmraid? |
| 14:58.51 | FilipeMaia | nope |
| 14:59.09 | ratcheer | uses btrfs RAID |
| 14:59.11 | FilipeMaia | dmraid is deprecated |
| 14:59.15 | thewanderer1 | ok... I'll stick to native software RAID I think |
| 14:59.26 | sney | yeah, that intel matrix baby's first raid controller nonsense is *slightly* better than the highpoint dmraid controllers of yore |
| 14:59.34 | sney | but only slightly. and still no hardware parity. |
| 14:59.40 | Sevet | ah i get what he means... mdadm can read the raid configuration from external metadata in this case the intel stuff. so he configures the array in intel's raid bios and mdadm uses that configuration. |
| 14:59.51 | Sevet | once it's running i think mdadm actually does all the work |
| 15:00.03 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: exactly |
| 15:00.05 | thewanderer1 | well played, Intel, well played |
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| 15:00.35 | Sevet | thewanderer1: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_superblock_formats#mdadm_v3.0_--_Adding_the_Concept_of_User-Space_Managed_External_Metadata_Formats |
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| 15:00.50 | nvz | sney: haha.. baby's first raid controller. :-P |
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| 15:02.05 | jhutchins | Would it be more accurate to say intel is moving the RAID BIOS into the main BIOS? |
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| 15:07.34 | Sevet | jhutchins: not a clue whether they're integrating the raid bios into the main one. perhaps if it's efi |
| 15:07.34 | Sevet | this was more that mdadm rather than running the intel fakeraid driver does its own thing but reading intel's configuration data |
| 15:07.56 | Sevet | so more of a reverse engineering (although intel may have contributed, who knows) |
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| 15:14.35 | aguitel | i need to install debian using pendrive and making this job with command dd ,but the usb is not booting ,what need to do ? |
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| 15:15.05 | thewanderer1 | aguitel: what command did you execute to put Debian on the pendrive, exactly? |
| 15:15.42 | aguitel | thewanderer1, sudo dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx |
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| 15:16.08 | thewanderer1 | aguitel: and which ISO did you use? |
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| 15:16.44 | sney | aguitel: did you run 'sync' after the dd command |
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| 15:16.53 | aguitel | thewanderer1, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 15:17.09 | aguitel | sney, no |
| 15:17.21 | sney | aguitel: try again, with sync this time |
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| 15:17.57 | aguitel | what is this "sync" command ? how i use? |
| 15:18.25 | aguitel | need to farmat before de usb ? |
| 15:18.26 | sney | it makes sure any cached disk operations are written to disk |
| 15:18.30 | aguitel | format |
| 15:18.38 | ksk | just type "sync" it writes buffers/caches to disk |
| 15:18.41 | sney | no, you just do the dd command, and then you do sync |
| 15:19.02 | aguitel | sudo sync ? |
| 15:19.27 | sney | I'm pretty sure regular users can do it too |
| 15:19.28 | aguitel | or: sudo dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx sync |
| 15:19.37 | sney | it is a separate command. |
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| 15:20.00 | thewanderer1 | or you could use oflag=sync, but it will be slow |
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| 15:20.07 | sney | su -c 'dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx;sync' |
| 15:20.19 | sney | and myriad other ways to do it |
| 15:20.27 | aguitel | ok |
| 15:20.36 | sney | it just makes sure there aren't pieces of that iso still in RAM when you disconnect the usb drive |
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| 15:21.21 | aguitel | no need to write some files to make booteable the pendrive ? |
| 15:21.38 | aguitel | extra files |
| 15:21.47 | sney | no |
| 15:21.53 | sney | the iso is bootable on a pendrive. |
| 15:21.54 | aguitel | ok |
| 15:22.14 | aguitel | ok |
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| 15:22.49 | nvz | anyone have thoughts other than the obvious one how to free up ram claimed for onboard video I'm not even using? |
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| 15:23.31 | nvz | says I have 493.4MB ram when I have 512MB ram |
| 15:24.02 | sney | that's probably bios-reliant |
| 15:24.41 | nvz | this board has an acer bios and when I first built it I went through all bios settings before even thinking about installing anything on it.. doesnt have any clear cut way to disable the bios |
| 15:24.46 | nvz | erm video rather |
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| 15:25.25 | nvz | I selected for it to use the pcie rather than auto.. but there is no setting in there for how much memory it takes or to just outright disable it |
| 15:25.38 | sney | you might be outta luck then |
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| 15:26.39 | nvz | sney: you cant even configure the sata drives at all in the bios.. its all greyed out and doesnt even detect the drives from within the cmos setup.. after POST an AHCI bios program runs and finds the HDDs |
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| 15:26.49 | nvz | heh |
| 15:27.30 | Sevet | aguitel: you'll also need to check your bios'll actually try booting from a USB KEY too |
| 15:27.32 | Sevet | oh... |
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| 15:32.28 | sney | nvz: sounds like a budget board to me, those are usually short on options |
| 15:33.16 | nvz | idk I guess I'll have to google it.. linux doesnt really care about your BIOS one bit.. once its loaded the kernel into memory and passed control, linux could care less.. there has to be some kernel/nvram way of doing it |
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| 15:34.51 | nvz | sney: yeah I paid $29 for it, no backplate, drivers, or manual.. its serving its purpose but I got ECC ram by mistake for it so I'm budgeting the 512mb stick I had laying around until I get the ram swapped with non-ecc ram.. so kinda pressed for that extra 16mb or so.. heh |
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| 15:35.53 | nvz | came from an Acer Aspire E700 it seems |
| 15:36.43 | nvz | I find it odd the bios version matches the latest bios on their website, but the date is almost a year behind the date of the latest bios on the website |
| 15:37.29 | nvz | I also dont like the fact they post no changelog nor is there one with the download for me to even know what it may fix |
| 15:38.24 | thewanderer1 | nvz: that is standard... |
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| 15:38.59 | nvz | not in my experience.. most mfgs like compaq and stuff I've had in the past will tell you what issues their bios updates address |
| 15:39.23 | nvz | even a f'n moron isnt gonna like the sound of flashing their bios blindly |
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| 15:47.21 | deux | hello everyone |
| 15:47.51 | deux | i need help re-installing my internal mic since it disappeared |
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| 15:53.24 | deux | hi, can anyone help me with my internal mic problem? |
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| 15:55.06 | lawe | hi, I installed Debian testing from a USB and set it up, but when I booted into the installation all I see are loads of different coloured dots on the screen... |
| 15:55.13 | lawe | what has happened? |
| 15:55.17 | maloik | Has anyone managed to set up a debian on a free-tier Amazon EC2 ? I don't get how this works, my ssh client won't connect at all |
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| 15:56.01 | lawe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.01 | lawe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.01 | lawe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.04 | lawe | oops |
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| 15:59.46 | Sandokan_nick | hi |
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| 16:00.26 | Sandokan_nick | is there a way to calculate an hash (sha256) in a pipe, like with dc3dd? |
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| 16:01.10 | deux | can anyone help me with my internal mic problems? |
| 16:01.11 | Rienzilla | rien@sinas:~$ cat /vmlinuz | sha256sum |
| 16:01.12 | Rienzilla | adfd4d580244d1af18caf1d2e136894f2cb5aa2192da791e04b8c2c2cca98160 - |
| 16:01.34 | Rienzilla | Like that, Sandokan_nick> |
| 16:01.36 | Rienzilla | ? |
| 16:01.52 | Sandokan_nick | Rienzilla: no, i said _like_ dc3dd. this way: "dc3dd if=./image of=/dev/sda hash=sha256" |
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| 16:02.18 | Rienzilla | I don't know what dc3dd is :-) |
| 16:02.45 | boudiccas | lawe, what graphics card have you got? /exactly/ what? |
| 16:02.54 | Sandokan_nick | something like 'pv' that works on the flow. like: "dd if=./image| theprogramforsha256|dd of=/dev/sda" |
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| 16:03.09 | lawe | boudiccas: ATI Radeon 6290HD |
| 16:03.28 | Rienzilla | but you want to write the data somewhere _and_ calculate the hash? |
| 16:03.34 | Sandokan_nick | the program let the data pass through it, and prints on stderr the sha256 sum |
| 16:03.42 | Sandokan_nick | Rienzilla: exactly |
| 16:03.50 | Rienzilla | you may be able to do that with tee |
| 16:04.01 | Sandokan_nick | (calcultate the hash while dumping the image) |
| 16:04.07 | boudiccas | lawe, its possible you've not got the right drivers for it, but i dont know how to tell. please join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask there |
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| 16:04.36 | Rienzilla | cat blah | tee bleh | sha256sum will write the contents of blah to bleh and output the checksum on stdout |
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| 16:04.58 | Rienzilla | and you can probably dd to stdout, and then dd from stdin |
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| 16:05.26 | Sandokan_nick | Rienzilla: seems the right one. thanks ;) |
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| 16:06.00 | Rienzilla | Sandokan_nick: okay, good luck |
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| 16:08.04 | Sandokan_nick | Rienzilla: just tested. it works . Yeah! |
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| 16:08.47 | Chousuke | tee is one of those utilities I still need to learn to use :P |
| 16:09.34 | Chousuke | currently I only know enough to use it with the echo foo | sudo tee somefile pattern |
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| 16:13.52 | aricg | How can I ask if a program is set to run at next boot in rc.d? |
| 16:14.18 | aricg | is there some magical query-rc.d command? |
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| 16:16.13 | Sandokan_nick | aricg: rcconf |
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| 16:20.46 | aricg | Sandokan_nick was hoping for something that goes to stdout, its for a script |
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| 16:22.01 | xeon123 | I'm trying to configure wireless but I can't detect networks with the network-manager from gnome. The SSID exists because it's listed with iwlist scan, but I don't see them in gnome. Why? |
| 16:22.04 | LtL | is fuming |
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| 16:23.24 | LtL | thanks to debian's repo ipv6 BS my main tower upgrade went bad wrong and detroyed the system, today i upgraded another box with no iv6 connection problems |
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| 16:23.32 | aricg | hey rcconf does work i just needed to install something called dialog... |
| 16:23.55 | nsadmin | aricg, if there is not a command that does that, it will be required for you to go "below the line" into the implementation. This is not particularly stable, as the below-the-line implementation is free to change as long as the external command works |
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| 16:24.25 | LtL | looks for a wheezy iso |
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| 16:25.17 | nsadmin | having said that, you can try something along the lines of ls /etc/rc?.d/S??<scriptname> |
| 16:25.40 | ratcheer | I've setup key-based ssh authentication on my fresh Debian system. It works fine from a Mac, but on Win7, both Putty and WinSCP always ask for the RSA passphrase. Can someone help me find out how to fix this, please? |
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| 16:27.03 | nsadmin | or, man ls to see what the meaning of the exit status for ls is... then, if that's meaningful for you, you could do something like if ls -q /etc/rc?.d/S??<scriptname>; then somecommand; fi |
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| 16:27.37 | LtL | nsadmin: is debian testing iso weekly build the iso i want to install wheezy? |
| 16:27.40 | xeon123 | I'm trying to configure wireless but I can't detect networks with the network-manager from gnome. The SSID exists because it's listed with iwlist scan, but I don't see them in gnome. Why? |
| 16:27.42 | frostschutz | ratcheer: if they key has a passphrase, of course it'll ask you? |
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| 16:28.14 | nsadmin | I had better luck with beta2 |
| 16:28.43 | LtL | nsadmin: where is it do you know offhand, im pressed for time |
| 16:28.47 | ratcheer | frostschutz: It doesn't on the Mac, and I don't think it used to on Win7. Someons else pointed me to an agent I need to setup and/or start. |
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| 16:29.53 | nsadmin | all I remember is I searched for it, found it, downloaded it, discarded (forgot) it, booted it |
| 16:29.58 | LtL | nsadmin: heres what im looking at, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:30.12 | ItzExor | ratcheer, http://www.electrictoolbox.com/putty-rsa-dsa-keys/ ? |
| 16:30.17 | LtL | nsadmin: beta2 eh |
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| 16:30.55 | ratcheer | Excellent link. Thanks very much, ItzExor |
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| 16:31.01 | ItzExor | np |
| 16:31.13 | nsadmin | or, more likely, get squeeeze installer, install squeeze base -only- then upgrade to wheezy then install more stuff as you want |
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| 16:31.44 | LtL | nsadmin: i think id rather fresh install wheezy |
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| 16:32.01 | LtL | nsadmin: whatya think |
| 16:32.18 | nsadmin | you should do what inspires you |
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| 16:32.22 | ItzExor | isn't that a wheezy disc |
| 16:32.53 | ItzExor | i used one of thoze weekly wheezy net installs to install this system |
| 16:33.00 | LtL | nsadmin: yeah, ok, appreciate the advice :) |
| 16:33.04 | nsadmin | also, all these places are indexed by google, you could try netinstall wheezy betaw |
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| 16:33.13 | LtL | ItzExor: it go ok? |
| 16:33.25 | ItzExor | it took a while but yeah |
| 16:33.39 | nsadmin | ItzExor, so that went well? |
| 16:33.39 | LtL | ok cool, thanks bothh |
| 16:33.54 | ItzExor | i installed the kde desktop task tho, without desktop it should take like 10 min lol |
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| 16:34.17 | LtL | i like whole cd's not netinstalls but thats just me |
| 16:34.24 | ItzExor | me too usually |
| 16:34.33 | LtL | ok leter |
| 16:34.41 | ItzExor | i had never used debian and someone recommended that so i gave it a shot and it worked ok |
| 16:34.42 | nsadmin | have fun ;) |
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| 16:35.18 | nsadmin | ItzExor, as a plain user, could you tell the difference betwee debian and whatever else you were using? |
| 16:35.19 | ItzExor | now i'm living on the edge |
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| 16:35.38 | ratcheer | is having a great time with his new Debian system. Gave up Arch, Ubuntu, and Sabayon. |
| 16:35.56 | ItzExor | debian is pretty stable even running stuff of experimental seems more stable and quick than kubuntu lol |
| 16:36.10 | ItzExor | but still has huge repos |
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| 16:36.31 | nsadmin | yeah, debian didn't start out having such large repos |
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| 16:36.41 | ratcheer | I'm using sid and updating daily. |
| 16:36.46 | ItzExor | me too |
| 16:37.00 | ItzExor | running fglrx and kernel off experimental lol |
| 16:37.06 | ItzExor | Linux mypc 3.5-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.5.5-1~experimental.1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:37.29 | ratcheer | I'm really on the edge. Installed on 2-disk btrfs. Kernel 3.6. |
| 16:37.35 | ItzExor | haha nice |
| 16:37.48 | ItzExor | i wonder if fglrx will compile for 3.6 |
| 16:37.50 | nsadmin | I'm using stable, I have a wheezy install I'm meaning to start playing with, which is on a sata drive in an esata/usb case and which is presently powered down |
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| 16:39.05 | a111 | If i tunnel my browser through SSH there is no way for my uni to see my browsing history, only the servers im connecting to right? |
| 16:39.11 | nsadmin | lastest ardour (audio recorder) version 3 (which adds midi seq) is only buildable on wheezy |
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| 16:39.47 | Sevet | a111: stop looking at porn ;) |
| 16:39.54 | ItzExor | a111, if all traffic goes thru the proxy then prolly |
| 16:40.00 | Sevet | there's dns leakage too |
| 16:40.04 | nsadmin | a111, you're still sending it stuff like "http://site.name/path/to/wikileader" |
| 16:40.06 | ItzExor | if you are doing socks and firefox set dns over socks |
| 16:40.12 | nsadmin | err wikileaker |
| 16:40.13 | ratcheer | ItzExor: Yes, that's my one big drawback. All my other distros used fglrs, even Sabayon and Arch on 3.5. But I have to use radeon on Debian. |
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| 16:40.21 | Sevet | so they'll likely know the site although not page unless you do something with that too |
| 16:40.23 | a111 | Im tunneling through a VPS that I have |
| 16:40.28 | a111 | that is external to their network |
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| 16:40.39 | ItzExor | the fglrx in experimental works with the kernel in external, at least |
| 16:40.48 | ItzExor | experimental** not external |
| 16:41.07 | ItzExor | a111, "network.proxy.socks_remote_dns" |
| 16:41.14 | Sevet | +1 |
| 16:41.21 | Sevet | (afaik it's not the default) |
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| 16:41.29 | ItzExor | no it's off by default |
| 16:41.48 | a111 | ok thanks |
| 16:42.03 | ratcheer | Good. I have to throttle the power profile to low with radeon. Dynamic does not work, yet. My card runs way too hot with default. |
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| 16:42.28 | ItzExor | i haven't tried radeon in a while, last time i tried to kde woulldn't log on |
| 16:42.35 | ItzExor | idk what kernel that was on |
| 16:42.37 | ItzExor | 3.2 i think |
| 16:42.39 | thewanderer1 | KDE used to be broken with fglrx |
| 16:42.47 | ItzExor | i have hd 6950 |
| 16:42.58 | ItzExor | it works great for me with fglrx |
| 16:43.00 | thewanderer1 | don't know the specifics, I'm an Intel GPU/NVIDIA person myself |
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| 16:44.05 | ratcheer | Mine is HD6770. |
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| 16:44.51 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, you were manufacturered by nvidia?! |
| 16:45.13 | ItzExor | lol |
| 16:45.35 | nsadmin | that's like wild! |
| 16:45.38 | ItzExor | ratcheer, did you try fglrx-driver from experimental? it's like 12-8 that might build for 3.6 |
| 16:46.32 | ItzExor | ratcheer, nevermind 3.6 isn't listed in the changelog |
| 16:46.35 | nsadmin | 3-2? |
| 16:46.44 | ItzExor | ? |
| 16:46.55 | ratcheer | ItzExor: I'm not sure how to do that. The guy who maintains my kernel assures me that fglrx can NOT be installed. |
| 16:46.58 | ItzExor | he said he's runnign kernel 3.6 but fglrx won't build for it |
| 16:47.00 | nsadmin | tht's 12-8, cancel the 4 |
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| 16:47.08 | ItzExor | oh nsadmin lol |
| 16:47.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: I grew up on NVIDIA, so almost as if :) |
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| 16:48.09 | tuxhat | hey does debian kernel have blobs in it ? |
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| 16:49.09 | tuxhat | hmm |
| 16:49.12 | tuxhat | nobody talks |
| 16:49.19 | Vincent0ne- | dead channel |
| 16:49.26 | tuxhat | dead for ALOT of users |
| 16:49.33 | nsadmin | nobody talks about wat? |
| 16:49.39 | ItzExor | i think it installs firmware-linux-free |
| 16:49.39 | tuxhat | hey does debian kernel have blobs in it ? |
| 16:49.53 | ItzExor | nonfree blobs aren't included by default |
| 16:50.04 | nsadmin | you mean can it have blobs? |
| 16:50.10 | tuxhat | yes |
| 16:50.16 | jhutchins | Beware of the blob. |
| 16:50.19 | ItzExor | http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-free |
| 16:50.22 | tuxhat | yikes |
| 16:50.26 | nsadmin | bewob of the blare |
| 16:50.27 | ItzExor | those come with the defualt kernel |
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| 16:51.24 | nsadmin | so do you need blobs? or, do you need the ability for a kernel to have blobs when it doesn't come with them? or do you need for a kernel to not have blobs? |
| 16:51.33 | tuxhat | how do i know if its blob free ? |
| 16:51.52 | nsadmin | dunno the answer to that |
| 16:51.54 | tuxhat | no i dont want it in hte kernel |
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| 16:52.11 | ItzExor | idk how |
| 16:52.13 | tuxhat | i am just wondering |
| 16:52.23 | jhutchins | tuxhat: First you're going to have to find some other more precise terminology. |
| 16:52.28 | nsadmin | np, I think it's a good question |
| 16:52.30 | tuxhat | because their is a kernel for linux distros that is call linux-libre |
| 16:52.37 | jhutchins | tuxhat: "blob" implies non-free code. |
| 16:53.01 | nsadmin | and closed-source most likely |
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| 16:53.11 | tuxhat | ok lets keep it simple is debian GNU distro ? |
| 16:53.23 | jhutchins | So the GPL Debian kernel by definition does not contain blobs. |
| 16:53.24 | tuxhat | like for example dragora |
| 16:53.24 | Sevet | debian kernel contains no non-free code |
| 16:53.25 | nsadmin | oh, like nvidia and fglrx are blobs? |
| 16:53.37 | Sevet | linux-firmware-nonfree may be what he's looking for |
| 16:53.52 | Sevet | ah ItzExor already mentioned it |
| 16:53.58 | tuxhat | nooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:54.03 | nsadmin | maybe, and the firmware doesn't make it into the kernel, it's sent to the device |
| 16:54.04 | tuxhat | i dont want non free |
| 16:54.05 | jhutchins | Sevet: If I read hom correctly, he wants to avoid non-free binaries. |
| 16:54.19 | ItzExor | there's a way to check if kernel is tainted |
| 16:54.30 | tuxhat | how ? |
| 16:54.34 | ItzExor | i'm not sure |
| 16:54.44 | Sevet | !tell tuxhat about taint |
| 16:54.52 | jhutchins | tuxhat: Did you compile non-free binaries into the kernel? |
| 16:54.57 | Sevet | cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted |
| 16:54.59 | tuxhat | no |
| 16:55.02 | nsadmin | tuxhat, debian kernels come with no blobs by default |
| 16:55.12 | jhutchins | tuxhat: Did you install non-free binary kernel modules? |
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| 16:55.17 | ItzExor | i did! |
| 16:55.20 | tuxhat | no |
| 16:55.27 | tuxhat | its default debian |
| 16:55.29 | nsadmin | then you have what you want |
| 16:55.32 | jhutchins | tuxhat: Then your kernel contains no non-free binaries. |
| 16:55.38 | tuxhat | i was just wondering if it has blobs in it |
| 16:55.49 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
| 16:55.54 | ItzExor | tuxhat, the only way is if you added them or have the non-free repos enabled |
| 16:56.09 | ItzExor | it's not by default |
| 16:56.14 | tuxhat | oh ok so gnu/debian is a gnu distro |
| 16:56.27 | nsadmin | well moreorless |
| 16:56.28 | ItzExor | yes |
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| 16:56.32 | tuxhat | but its not in the list because of the non free repo |
| 16:56.38 | Vincent0ne- | never heard of the taint before |
| 16:57.17 | jhutchins | Vincent0ne-: Traditional terminology. Most kernels will log & display a warning if tainted code is loaded. |
| 16:57.19 | tuxhat | i just use wheezy/main and sid/main |
| 16:57.32 | Vincent0ne- | it says 0 on mine |
| 16:57.32 | Sevet | tuxhat: gnu distro does not necessarily mean no non-free code. but in debian's case it does, unless you deliberately install stuff from the non-free repositories - which aren't enabled by default. |
| 16:57.41 | Sevet | Vincent0ne-: taintfree! :) |
| 16:57.50 | jhutchins | !tell tuxhat about dfsg |
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| 16:58.04 | tuxhat | i know that |
| 16:58.21 | tuxhat | but i was told that debian kernel have blobs firmware in it |
| 16:58.23 | ItzExor | i'm tainted |
| 16:58.23 | Sevet | squeeze was the 1st distribution where we got the kernel 100% non-free-free :) |
| 16:58.43 | tuxhat | i read up on that |
| 16:58.48 | tuxhat | but why on the gnu page |
| 16:59.04 | tuxhat | have a repo for linux-libre |
| 16:59.28 | tuxhat | they say its safer with linux-libre |
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| 16:59.37 | Sevet | link? |
| 16:59.48 | boudiccas | tuxhat, who are 'they'? |
| 16:59.50 | Sevet | so we know what you're talking about? |
| 16:59.57 | tuxhat | oh just in the form |
| 17:00.01 | tuxhat | forum |
| 17:00.26 | tuxhat | anyways so i dont need linux-libre |
| 17:00.29 | jhutchins | is aware of several thousand forums that might discuss freeness of software... |
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| 17:00.34 | tuxhat | can i trust debian |
| 17:00.40 | Sevet | looks at linux-libre site |
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| 17:00.52 | Sevet | they're out of date. their freed-ebian is now listed as OBSOLETE |
| 17:01.05 | Sevet | http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html 'Previous releases of Debian included nonfree blobs with Linux, the kernel. With the release of Debian 6.0 (“squeeze”) in February 2011, these blobs have been moved out of the main distribution to separate packages in the nonfree repository.' |
| 17:01.08 | tuxhat | yeah ok sort of figured that |
| 17:01.16 | tuxhat | that is why i came here to ask :P |
| 17:01.20 | Sevet | so you're safe with squeeze or later :) |
| 17:01.32 | tuxhat | i am using wheezy/sid |
| 17:01.41 | Sevet | that counts as 'later' :) |
| 17:02.06 | Vincent0ne- | likes to see what VRMS says on debian etch or an older version |
| 17:02.08 | nsadmin | tuxhat, what are you trusting now? |
| 17:02.48 | tuxhat | that the debian dev team is 100% FREE |
| 17:02.48 | ItzExor | http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/deblob-3.6 |
| 17:02.51 | nsadmin | Vincent0ne-, "HELP!! I need a shower!" |
| 17:02.59 | ItzExor | there's what linux-libre removes from 3.6 lol |
| 17:03.16 | Sevet | tuxhat: in general, on any linux distro, check /proc/sys/kernel/tainted is zero. if so you're blob-free |
| 17:03.26 | ItzExor | mines 4094 |
| 17:03.35 | ItzExor | 4097 |
| 17:03.38 | Sevet | tuxhat: being 100% free is one of the debian aims |
| 17:03.48 | themill | dpkg: tell tuxhat about dfsg |
| 17:03.57 | nsadmin | blobby! blobbity blob blob blobby~ |
| 17:03.57 | jhutchins | tuxhat: Do you understand what the term "fanatic" implies? |
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| 17:04.29 | tuxhat | how to i check if its 0 |
| 17:04.34 | tuxhat | please just be simple |
| 17:04.36 | Sevet | cat |
| 17:04.42 | Sevet | 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted' |
| 17:04.51 | jhutchins | The fact that some hardware will not work without non-free binary code is what "induces people to install non-free software", not it's availability for a given distro. |
| 17:05.04 | tuxhat | aaaa |
| 17:05.15 | tuxhat | thanks man i didn't know this |
| 17:05.19 | jhutchins | tuxhat: It's not tainted unless you tainted it. |
| 17:05.38 | tuxhat | :) well debian is a distro i always come back to |
| 17:05.59 | tuxhat | works really good i do go highter than 480mb of memory |
| 17:06.03 | tuxhat | don't |
| 17:06.35 | tuxhat | ok thanks for all the help and info i need. |
| 17:06.38 | tuxhat | cheers have a good one eh |
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| 17:07.21 | Sevet | as long as he doesn't go over 480mb? |
| 17:07.43 | Sevet | looks at his 16gb... |
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| 17:17.40 | TheWarden | how can one add environment variables to be present when cron runs a crontab? I had the script being called set them using PHP but as far as I can tell issuing printenv after the fact in PHP I don't see the environment variables I set present. |
| 17:18.10 | TheWarden | this is one http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Nano that mentions environment as an issue and I thought that might be related to VLC. |
| 17:18.22 | Sevet | put VAR=VALUEs at the top of the crontab, or before the command |
| 17:19.33 | Sevet | /etc/cron.d/mcelog will have an example setting the PATH |
| 17:19.36 | themill | still isn't sure why cron is involved in this project at all |
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| 17:19.56 | Sevet | what'd you use instead? |
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| 17:20.25 | themill | Sevet: nothing about a playlist wants a job scheduler |
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| 17:21.27 | TheWarden | Sevet: that would be a proper crontab having a line TERM=xterm next line DISPLAY=:0 ? It never seems to like MAILTO='' to stop email messages. |
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| 17:22.59 | coder_ | is it flash that is causing iceweasel to crash all the time? |
| 17:23.09 | thewanderer1 | chances are, yes |
| 17:23.13 | xeon123 | I'm trying to configure wireless but I can't find a network. |
| 17:23.24 | coder_ | thewanderer1, what can I do about it? |
| 17:23.32 | frikinz | also crashes my firefox on android |
| 17:23.32 | thewanderer1 | coder_: disable Flash |
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| 17:23.53 | xeon123 | the iwlist scan networks, but the wicd do not show them. |
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| 17:24.56 | jhutchins | xeon123: Ditch wicd |
| 17:25.10 | Sevet | TheWarden: it's always possible that your program run from crontab sets variables overwriting those set in the crontab |
| 17:25.14 | jhutchins | xeon123: Since squeeze it works less than 50% of the time. |
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| 17:25.51 | Sevet | personally haven't tried any TERM/DISPLAY settings from there, and MAILTO only set to real addresses |
| 17:25.58 | xeon123 | jhutchins: what should I use? |
| 17:26.04 | Sevet | i'm not sure running a X11 program from crontab would make that much sense |
| 17:26.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.11 | xeon123 | jhutchins: network-manager-gnome? |
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| 17:26.34 | nsadmin | well. it's working just fine for me in squeeze |
| 17:26.38 | jhutchins | xeon123: If you're using gnome, yes. |
| 17:26.53 | xeon123 | but I can't also find networks with gnome network manager. |
| 17:26.54 | jhutchins | xeon123: If you don't need portability, just use a static config. |
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| 17:27.14 | TheWarden | Sevet: not sure that is still a valid crontab. However I tried what you said and now those environment variables are present. Mmm fixed the error but VLC not playing for some reason though. |
| 17:27.19 | jhutchins | xeon123: If the non-GUI layers of both are running then they can interfere with each other. |
| 17:27.21 | xeon123 | jhutchins: I need portability |
| 17:27.39 | frikinz | interfaces and roaming works fine also but needs some initial (small) work |
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| 17:28.14 | jhutchins | TheWarden: What about mplayer? |
| 17:28.58 | jhutchins | xeon123: What hardware? |
| 17:29.16 | TheWarden | jhutchins: well I thought about that but can one control it via a Unix socket or some means programatically when to play, add/remove items in playlist, etc. ? I couldn't find an option when I searched online. |
| 17:29.23 | xeon123 | jhutchins: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b |
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| 17:29.45 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 17:30.18 | cousin_luigi | Do you think wheezy could reasonably be out next January? |
| 17:30.22 | awc737 | where is a good place to store a program for all users? |
| 17:30.30 | awc737 | such as sublime text 2 folder |
| 17:31.19 | jhutchins | !tell xeon123 about bcm4313 |
| 17:31.34 | awc737 | in /usr somewhere? or /opt? |
| 17:31.49 | jhutchins | awc737: /usr/local |
| 17:31.59 | jhutchins | awc737: People use both. |
| 17:32.10 | awc737 | /usr/local/bin? |
| 17:32.25 | awc737 | its a self contained program directory /Sublime |
| 17:32.30 | jhutchins | !tell awc737 about lfhs |
| 17:32.47 | damacus | for that, i'd put it in /opt |
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| 17:33.01 | awc737 | yeah I already have that wiki page open... still not sure, seems either is fine |
| 17:33.05 | awc737 | im just wondering whats more common |
| 17:33.07 | dkr | with symlinks to /usr/local/bin |
| 17:33.09 | awc737 | ok ill go with opt |
| 17:33.12 | awc737 | why symlinks |
| 17:33.15 | damacus | i like using --prefix=/usr/local when i'm compiling stuff from source |
| 17:33.18 | dkr | so it's in folks path |
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| 17:33.31 | themill | cousin_luigi: reasonably guess. /msg dpkg wheezy pool |
| 17:33.33 | damacus | and /opt if i'm rolling something into a single tree, like /opt/package |
| 17:34.02 | awc737 | /usr/local/bin/Sublime/sublime |
| 17:34.08 | damacus | no |
| 17:34.12 | awc737 | is the application. so putting it there means Sublime/sublime is in my user path? |
| 17:34.25 | damacus | ln -s /opt/Sublime/sublime /usr/local/bin/sublime |
| 17:34.27 | awc737 | ooh symlink sublime from opt/Sublime to usr/local/bin |
| 17:34.32 | dkr | awc737: no, I meant. if you install it all in /opt/Sublime then also do ln -s /opt/Sublime/bin/* /usr/local/bin |
| 17:34.37 | awc737 | ok thanks |
| 17:34.41 | damacus | so users that have /usr/local/bin in their path can run sublime and it'll open from opt |
| 17:34.43 | somiaj | damacus: have you looked into stow? |
| 17:34.44 | awc737 | so then I can launch sublime from terminal |
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| 17:34.53 | damacus | somiaj: negative. is it like encap? |
| 17:35.06 | xeon123 | !tell brcm80211 |
| 17:35.13 | somiaj | damacus: it manages stuff in /usr/local and creates links so you don't have to relay on uninstall scripts to remove things you don't want anymore |
| 17:35.23 | xeon123 | !tell xeon123 brcm80211 |
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| 17:35.40 | somiaj | xeon123: /msg dpkg brcm80211 please |
| 17:35.41 | damacus | somiaj: sounds like encap. I used to use that in the late 90s when I ran slackware |
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| 17:35.52 | dkr | no |
| 17:35.53 | somiaj | xeon123: it is also !tell about factoid |
| 17:36.20 | somiaj | damacus: yea I don't know encap, but yea sounds similar. |
| 17:36.23 | dkr | well, !tell nick about factoid |
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| 17:36.35 | aguitel | i install debian with netinstall in this old laptop ,why install this pae kernel:3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 17:36.39 | somiaj | dkr: thanks...haha, but /msg the bot is prefered |
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| 17:37.09 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 17:37.21 | somiaj | I was gonna say don't know why people don't /msg dpkg tell nick about factoid more, but mostly because I probabaly never see it |
| 17:37.49 | damacus | somiaj: that's good to know about stow, since it's in universe while encap isn't |
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| 17:41.11 | animus | aguitel, Is the kernel working, on older computers it can be problematic. |
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| 17:44.14 | mfblackmail69 | do i really have to reboot my server to apply the new locales settings? |
| 17:44.30 | confusid | Hello, Please don't shoot me for this question!!! What is available in debian that works like this? Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio Express? |
| 17:45.19 | jordanm | confusid: specifically for MS SQL server? |
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| 17:46.15 | nsadmin | mfblackmail69, I wouldn't think so... maybe people connected would have to reconnect |
| 17:46.18 | confusid | jordanm: No, for any sql |
| 17:46.33 | aguitel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.53 | jordanm | confusid: mysql-workbench is what I use for mysql. it's not "in" debian but its packaged upstream |
| 17:47.00 | nsadmin | aguitel, what's your cpu? |
| 17:47.02 | aguitel | 3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 17:47.03 | themill | aguitel: unless you have an i486 or pentium, you would use the pae kernel |
| 17:47.22 | confusid | jordanm: by chance do you have a link that might help me understand how to install it? |
| 17:47.46 | aguitel | themill, sony vaio pcg-frv35 |
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| 17:48.08 | aguitel | nsadmin, pentium |
| 17:48.18 | aguitel | nsadmin, year 2003 |
| 17:48.23 | nsadmin | how much ram? |
| 17:48.33 | aguitel | nsadmin, 512 |
| 17:48.43 | themill | aguitel: what does «egrep -q -e '^flags.*pae' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'You have PAE!'» say? |
| 17:48.56 | nsadmin | pae has something to do with accessing more ram... you may not need pae |
| 17:49.39 | jordanm | confusid: http://www.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/#downloads I used the package for ubuntu 10.04. I don't like recommending non-debian packages, especially new users, but its there if you want to try it and it worksforme™ |
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| 17:50.04 | thewanderer1 | well, there's also phpMyAdmin... |
| 17:50.25 | confusid | jordanm: ty, and np, I don't mind testing things.. I need to learn :) 5th install on this lappy so far... LOL |
| 17:50.32 | aguitel | nsadmin, i pastebin |
| 17:50.51 | nsadmin | also "any sql" may not work... |
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| 17:50.58 | jordanm | thewanderer1: erm.. that doesn't diagram, design, or really do anything you would want for real sql management |
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| 17:51.43 | jordanm | thewanderer1: its just a security hole to run queries IMO |
| 17:51.47 | nsadmin | can you get a partial diagram of a larger data model? |
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| 17:52.06 | jordanm | nsadmin: yes, you can choose to only place tables you want on the model |
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| 17:52.28 | nsadmin | that sounds good! howbout for postgres? |
| 17:52.41 | jordanm | nsadmin: really needed with my work, which has a > 200 table database |
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| 17:52.45 | aguitel | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/Th31fpYY |
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| 17:52.52 | jordanm | nsadmin: not sure, haven't worked with it |
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| 17:54.08 | nsadmin | jordanm, were you talking about that thing called workbench from mysql.com? |
| 17:54.19 | jordanm | nsadmin: yes |
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| 17:55.00 | nsadmin | oh ok... maybe not holding much hope... I'll check the pg channel |
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| 17:55.44 | pkkm | Is it bad if I `chattr -i` (unset the immutable attribute) on /usr/local/bin to install something here? Does the immutable attribute mean I shouldn't touch this directory? |
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| 17:56.21 | aguitel | nsadmin, what i do |
| 17:57.00 | engla | pkkm: you should find out where that immutable flag came from, because that's not a usual configuration |
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| 17:57.30 | pkkm | engla: where do I start with finding out such a thing? |
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| 17:58.05 | engla | I don't know. Maybe it's related to something that you installed into /usr/local |
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| 17:58.52 | engla | it shouldn't be a problem to remove the flag |
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| 17:59.26 | pkkm | engla: ah, I now remember where this flag came from. I executed a script for increasing security and it made directories in PATH immutable. |
| 17:59.48 | pkkm | Is this a bad configuration? |
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| 18:00.55 | bluesm | Is in debian "tree" like command ? |
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| 18:03.01 | engla | pkkm: not necessarily bad, if it works for you sure |
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| 18:05.57 | pkkm | OK, I'll leave it as it is. Thanks. |
| 18:06.12 | qat | hi there... testing today wants to install all iceweasel ln10 packages... is a known errata or else? |
| 18:08.03 | qat | oops, I meant l10n |
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| 18:18.08 | cecco | !list o list |
| 18:18.39 | cecco | xdcc send #10 |
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| 18:25.41 | aguitel | i install debian with netinstall in this old laptop ,why the system install pae kernel? |
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| 18:28.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps what channel do i need to be in to work on wpa_supplicant and interfaces? debian distro here.. |
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| 18:30.48 | dkr | thinks that wording is suspiciously similar to "debian-based distro". ;) |
| 18:31.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 18:31.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry didnt pass english class that often |
| 18:31.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | binary is my language of choise |
| 18:31.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | choice |
| 18:32.05 | dkr | it can't hurt to ask your real question. you could also try ##networking |
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| 18:33.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need an if/then evaluate in my interface to switch from my android phone AP in infracture mode to my wpa_supplicant managed APs |
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| 18:33.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/OcKI |
| 18:34.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/NWHb |
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| 18:34.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | since supplicant dont do ad-hoc mode |
| 18:35.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | i mean ad-hoc up there in the first sentenace |
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| 18:36.27 | pzn | my server is slow and I see %CPUwait too high (around 50~60%) in vmstat. how can I debug which process is doing this? |
| 18:37.41 | blubberdiblub | pzn, try "top" |
| 18:39.06 | pzn | which command can I see disk I/O separated by partitions? want to know which partition needs more "speed" |
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| 18:40.25 | jelly-home | pzn: you might like "iostat -x 1" |
| 18:40.25 | pzn | found... "iostat" can show me per-partition disk I/O |
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| 18:41.13 | pzn | jelly-home, nice "-x" makes a big difference! |
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| 18:46.40 | BW^- | can I use aptitude to see what particular file belongs to what package? in this case, /etc/apache2 and its contents files |
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| 18:46.49 | BW^- | they're left even though I removed all apache2 . |
| 18:47.06 | BW^- | maybe there's like an apchhhhhache-cnf package or sth i didn't notice til now ;) |
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| 18:53.59 | nsadmin | BW^-, look into apt-file |
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| 18:54.14 | thewanderer1 | I think they are conf files, apt won't remove them |
| 18:54.57 | nsadmin | to remove them, you need to purge them |
| 18:56.16 | pzn | jelly-home, found the process that is taking too much disk I/O and the partition that I need to "upgrade"... thanks! |
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| 18:58.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
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| 18:58.20 | samuel | hello guys |
| 18:58.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | if there is a will there is a way.. |
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| 18:58.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | just too hungry to do anything about it now |
| 18:58.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 18:58.37 | nsadmin | if there is a will, there is a lawyer |
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| 18:59.20 | nvz | nsadmin: and a bunch of relatives who never came to visit with their hands out.. |
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| 19:01.18 | samuel | I am trying to find a way to distribute a small file to several computers. Problem is, sometimes I don't know their address and I don't have a centralised server they can poll. Anyone know of any distributed file system or something like that that will allow for clients querying the FS, updating the FS, and need no centralised server? Where the clients will not know who the other clients are? It will always be under the same subnet. Also it i |
| 19:01.19 | samuel | important it uses few resources. Performance is not so important. |
| 19:01.20 | samuel | Any ideas? |
| 19:01.42 | syslq | samuel: bit torrent |
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| 19:01.52 | samuel | wow I never thought of that |
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| 19:01.57 | syslq | why not |
| 19:02.03 | samuel | why not indeed |
| 19:02.17 | syslq | I mean why not use it :), not why havent you thought of that |
| 19:02.18 | samuel | can I update the file in a tracker? |
| 19:02.38 | syslq | Dunno how it works really, but I know it's exactly what you have described |
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| 19:02.57 | samuel | yeah I never thought of it |
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| 19:03.15 | samuel | I just need to know if I can update the file once served |
| 19:04.42 | Trewas | samuel: no, you'd have to make a new torrent with the updated file |
| 19:05.15 | samuel | Trewas: hmmmm, how might I distribute the new torrent? |
| 19:05.25 | samuel | same problem then |
| 19:05.47 | Trewas | samuel: yes, bittorrent doesn't sound like a good solution for your case |
| 19:06.15 | samuel | any ideas perhaps? |
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| 19:07.14 | dawud | samuel: maybe avahi discovery of a http/ftp/tfpt server |
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| 19:07.29 | quickquestion | hey folks |
| 19:07.34 | Trewas | samuel: or something like dropbox |
| 19:07.55 | samuel | Trewas: no internet access |
| 19:07.56 | arch_enemy74 | Hi all, I have a vbox webserver. At home I can connect through the local network @192.168.0.6, now trying it elsewhere, the ip it's on redirects to 192.168.0.6 but doesn't connect. I don't have my notes from the set up with me so I'm a bit lost, is this something I've done on the server or settings in vbox? |
| 19:08.15 | quickquestion | many moons ago I used to have debian as a set of some 8 cdroms... and the first one had this awesome partition program that I could boot into and it would always work. How can I get that again? (it's been almost 10 years) |
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| 19:10.29 | dawud | arch_enemy74: NAT or bridged mode? |
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| 19:11.31 | quickquestion | I'm going to try KDE Partition Manager |
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| 19:14.08 | mfblackmail69 | having trouble with locales on my server. a "locale" shows as root all variables et to utf-8. as user they're set differently. how do i change the user locales? |
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| 19:15.26 | arch_enemy74 | bridged, sorry if I posted twice, not sure if my last msg worked |
| 19:16.17 | mfblackmail69 | arch_enemy74: did you set up your router accordingly? |
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| 19:19.00 | dawud | arch_enemy74: if bridged mode was correctly set up, the VM is just another host in the LAN, does it have static or dhcp? |
| 19:19.13 | dawud | arch_enemy74: what it the network config "elsewhere"? |
| 19:19.20 | dawud | s/it/is |
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| 19:21.08 | dawud | quickquestion: there are several, CLI based or GUI based? |
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| 19:23.10 | dawud | ,v libapache2-mod-dnssd |
| 19:23.11 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-dnssd on i386 -- lenny: 0.5-1; squeeze: 0.6-2; sid: 0.6-3; wheezy: 0.6-3 |
| 19:23.32 | dawud | samuel: ^^^ |
| 19:24.00 | dawud | arch_enemy74: please, read the topic: msg bots, not people :) |
| 19:24.16 | samuel | dawud: thanks |
| 19:24.23 | samuel | I am looking at rwall |
| 19:24.28 | arch_enemy74 | Oh, sorry |
| 19:24.47 | arch_enemy74 | are you not msging me? |
| 19:24.59 | dawud | arch_enemy74: and WRT your question, you're supposed to know how the LAN you're using is configured |
| 19:25.06 | samuel | sorry |
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| 19:26.26 | dawud | arch_enemy74: and writing in a public forum, so everybody else can participate in the public discussion, and maybe suggest solutions to a problem/situation |
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| 19:26.52 | dawud | arch_enemy74: ...so, how is your LAN configured? |
| 19:27.11 | dawud | arch_enemy74: DHCP? static IP assignment? |
| 19:27.23 | arch_enemy74 | Fair point. The network is dhcp, |
| 19:27.58 | dawud | arch_enemy74: does the VM use DHCP too? |
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| 19:29.31 | dawud | arch_enemy74: does the DHCPD server reserve IPs matching the MAC address of its clients? |
| 19:29.45 | DammitJim | anyone know where I can download sparc solaris 9 CD ISOs? |
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| 19:31.15 | aricg | DammitJim, where else? https://thepiratebay.se/search/sparc%20solaris%209/0/99/0 |
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| 19:31.32 | arch_enemy74 | As far as I know the vm is dhcp also, I'm not sure about that |
| 19:31.33 | DammitJim | lol... I meant a .... |
| 19:31.36 | dawud | solaris? DammitJim! that's oracle's nowadays |
| 19:31.44 | DammitJim | it is? |
| 19:31.45 | DammitJim | holy cow |
| 19:31.48 | aricg | its there, dont complain |
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| 19:32.21 | DammitJim | man, I'm lucky the ad didn't show up for russian girls |
| 19:32.23 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 19:33.11 | dawud | arch_enemy74: log into the VM and edit the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 19:36.14 | arch_enemy74 | Thanks, ok I got: #wifi - auto wlan0 - iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:36.48 | FilipeMaia | How can I find how many CPUs my machine has? |
| 19:37.02 | dkr | FilipeMaia: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 19:37.22 | FilipeMaia | dkr: yes but how to count cpus instead of cores or even hyperthreads? |
| 19:37.58 | dkr | FilipeMaia: by taking into account the model name field, as well as the number of "processors" |
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| 19:38.17 | FilipeMaia | dkr: so i have to know how many cores the cpu has? |
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| 19:39.02 | MrFrood | FilipeMaia: get a screwdriver and look inside your computer at the motherboard and use your fingers when counting :P |
| 19:39.14 | dkr | FilipeMaia: in other words, not easily. heh. hrm there is a"cpu cores" field, too |
| 19:39.24 | FilipeMaia | Looks like what I want is count the number of different physical ids |
| 19:39.31 | ksk | google your cpu model, maybe? :P |
| 19:40.00 | FilipeMaia | dkr: just cpu cores is not enough because of hyperthreading |
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| 19:40.32 | dkr | FilipeMaia: yeah, that's whY i thoguth you needed to take into account hte model name to know of HT, but physical id sounds like a good way |
| 19:40.54 | FilipeMaia | dkr: you can disable HT in the BIOS so just knowing the model is not good enough |
| 19:41.01 | dkr | sorry for the terrible typing |
| 19:41.31 | FilipeMaia | looks like I have only two different physicals ids |
| 19:41.41 | FilipeMaia | with Xeon X5650 |
| 19:41.51 | FilipeMaia | and 24 entries in cpu info |
| 19:41.53 | Trewas | FilipeMaia: this core i7 reports 8 processors, four cpu cores, four different core ids, and one physical id |
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| 19:42.18 | FilipeMaia | Trewas: right, one cpu with 4 cores and HT |
| 19:42.28 | Trewas | so you have two processors, each with 6 cores with hyperthreading |
| 19:42.32 | FilipeMaia | i think so |
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| 19:43.24 | FilipeMaia | you can't have more than 2 X5650 on a machine so it has to be it |
| 19:46.11 | KsM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.11 | KsM | dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 19:47.29 | KsM | should I try --force-overwrite ? |
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| 19:48.21 | KsM | yeah okay |
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| 20:03.23 | gury | I have a USB stick that is sporadically not detected and inserts no entry in /dev/sdX and there is nothing written in to /var/log/messages or syslog. Any idea? |
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| 20:04.14 | sdx23 | gury: it's a trash! |
| 20:04.49 | streuner | gury: cat /proc/partitions |
| 20:05.12 | gury | streuner: it's not there |
| 20:05.19 | gury | sdx23: you think it's the stick's fault? |
| 20:05.22 | streuner | impossible |
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| 20:05.38 | sdx23 | streuner: nah. No entries in syslog mean it's not detected in any way. There'd be an usb enumeration otherwise. |
| 20:05.40 | streuner | gury: if the stick still working... |
| 20:05.42 | gury | streuner: it is. There is only my internal SSD |
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| 20:05.54 | sdx23 | gury: aye, it's a hardware fault. |
| 20:06.14 | gury | sdx23, streuner: okay, guess it's really the stick |
| 20:06.36 | sdx23 | gury: you may want to check using another pc, to be sure. |
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| 20:07.06 | cYmen | I have a machine set up to do NAT for our network does anybody know how to best create a statistic about which machine creates most traffic? |
| 20:07.18 | streuner | s/another pc/another OS/ |
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| 20:08.08 | streuner | gury: sure, in most cases, its a hardware issue, IME |
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| 20:08.24 | bolt | i have just copied an entire ntfs drive to my file server by mounting it with ntfs-3g, except for one file |
| 20:08.28 | gury | sdx23, streuner: I am relatively sure now, thanks for hints |
| 20:09.25 | bolt | i have just copied an entire ntfs drive to my file server by mounting it with ntfs-3g, except for one file. this one file, i get "permission denied" when trying to open it as root. i can move it around on the file system with "mv", but i can't copy it or move it out of the drive, nor run "cat" on it. what's up with that? just that one file |
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| 20:21.49 | Nurbs | I have recently added the x86 architecture to my x86-64 install. When upgrading (with aptitude) the resolver now often fails to find a solution, even with --full-resolver. Am I doing anything wrong or is it just too hard for aptitude? :) |
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| 20:22.30 | streuner | Nurbs: sounds like an sources.list issue |
| 20:23.21 | streuner | dpkg, tell Nurbs about bobbitt |
| 20:24.16 | Nurbs | I do expect some trouble with broken dependencies, but in all the time that I've been using unstable and experimental packages this did not happen to that extent. |
| 20:25.06 | jhutchins | Nurbs: You've pushed into one of the areas where those things break regularly and the methods are changed from time to time. |
| 20:25.08 | Nurbs | This is somewhat weird, because I do not expect it for an x86- or x86-64-only system and the packages should not depend too much on packages from the other architecture. At least I'd think that. |
| 20:25.35 | jhutchins | Nurbs: unstable/experimental aren't intended as working releases. |
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| 20:25.48 | Nurbs | So, it is still expected and I should just fix it manually until multiarch is less troublesome? |
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| 20:26.08 | thewanderer1 | Nurbs: I don't trust aptitude, would try apt-get |
| 20:26.18 | jhutchins | Nurbs: You should fix it manually until you decide to stop running unstable packages. |
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| 20:26.36 | streuner | thewanderer1: with that sources.list you are able to expect anything... |
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| 20:27.20 | jhutchins | bolt: Sounds like the ACL for that file is corrupt. |
| 20:27.36 | jhutchins | bolt: You should probably fsck the filesystem. |
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| 20:28.17 | Nurbs | jhutchins: I guess most problems will go away over time. |
| 20:29.05 | Nurbs | This time it seems to be mainly a conflict between libwayland0:amd64 and libwayland0:i386, bu those I do expect to be fixed at some point. |
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| 20:29.43 | jhutchins | Nurbs: sid will NEVER be a working stable release. |
| 20:30.08 | streuner | Nurbs: and experimental wouldn't be helpful too... |
| 20:30.11 | Nurbs | jhutchins: I don't have a problem with sid in general, just with multiarch sid. |
| 20:30.39 | streuner | Nurbs: only you know what kind of problem you want fix... |
| 20:30.50 | ajikeshi | jhutchins, i still consider sid the stable version of ubuntu ;) |
| 20:31.43 | Nurbs | I will just get rid of most i386 packages and debootstrap an x86 chroot. |
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| 20:33.21 | nvz | so does anyone know of a way to maybe shrink the xorg display like 10-20px horizontally/vertically? I got a HUGE stubborn sony projection tv here hooked to an nvidia card via hdmi and its about 10pxor so off the screen on all ssides and there is no settings on the tv to adjust it manually |
| 20:33.27 | bolt | jhutchins: hm... ntfsfix does not like this drive |
| 20:33.30 | bolt | Checking the alternate boot sector... FAILED |
| 20:33.31 | bolt | Error: Failed to fix the alternate boot sector |
| 20:33.40 | bolt | what on earth does it need that for? |
| 20:33.50 | bolt | doesn't let me continue either |
| 20:33.51 | nvz | i could swear gfx cards could make these kinds of adjustment |
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| 20:42.15 | jhutchins | nvz: You could probably fix it with the right xorg.conf screencap line. |
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| 20:42.29 | jhutchins | xvidtune is the easiest way to generate those. |
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| 20:44.10 | BW^- | what would be the most idiot-proof server for making my server (a) be able to use the mail() procedure in php as to send mail to the external world from now and on, and (b) receive a bit of email to the postmaster@ email address (just today)? |
| 20:44.40 | nvz | jhutchins: thanks I'll see if I can figure that out |
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| 20:48.49 | jhutchins | BW^-: Where do you want to receive mail _from_? |
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| 20:50.03 | BW^- | jhutchins: from the internet somewhere, from an ordinary webmail sender for instance |
| 20:50.40 | nvz | jhutchins: oh well that was worth a go but seems like it says no matter what I change or how much its not a compatible mode line even if I keep refresh rates the same |
| 20:51.33 | nvz | I could swear the nvidia xsettings and catalyst control panels both allowed this, though I dont see it in there anywhere |
| 20:52.05 | nvz | can the same effect be achived with a viewport maybe? |
| 20:52.15 | BW^- | jhutchins: any suitable app? postfix?? |
| 20:52.16 | nvz | make a viewport smaller than my actual resolution? |
| 20:53.19 | nvz | should take this huge tv apart.. its probably like this on everything and just needs focused |
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| 20:55.05 | mfblackmail69 | BW^-: postfix is a standard server that is not too hard to configure |
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| 20:57.09 | nvz | may just be easier to install sawfish and let it deal with this annoyance for now.. heh |
| 20:57.12 | mfblackmail69 | BW^-: do you have a static IP? |
| 20:57.29 | nvz | matched windows so they fit the part of the screen I can see |
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| 20:59.10 | BW^- | mfblackmail69: yep |
| 20:59.58 | mfblackmail69 | if you want more have a look at zarafa - a nice piece of software |
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| 21:00.06 | mfblackmail69 | also not too hard to set up |
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| 21:02.34 | jhutchins | BW^-: To receive mail from the 'net you need a server with a public DNS entry and preferabley an DNS MX entry. |
| 21:03.09 | jhutchins | BW^-: Other than that, you can retrieve mail from an existing email account to a local server. |
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| 21:04.11 | BW^- | jhutchins: the MX field is already in function. just the last step of getting the machine actually receive the mail left =) |
| 21:05.08 | KsM | dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.09 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, KsM |
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| 21:05.19 | KsM | oh dear |
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| 21:06.12 | mfblackmail69 | BW^-: you'll also need an imap server like courier, dovecot or cyrus for that |
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| 21:07.48 | mfblackmail69 | BW^-: here's a very simple and quick howto: http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=240031 |
| 21:08.01 | mfblackmail69 | oops, german, sorry |
| 21:08.10 | simonlnu | KsM: apt-file search |
| 21:08.14 | jhutchins | BW^-: This is a public MX record? Which service? |
| 21:08.36 | jhutchins | mfblackmail69: Actually, you don't need pop or imap if you're on a local system. |
| 21:08.56 | Aleks3Y | hey guys! any BONDING gurus here? |
| 21:09.14 | streuner | forget that |
| 21:09.15 | KsM | Aleks3Y: I can't use apt/dpkg/etc |
| 21:09.17 | jhutchins | KsM: Knowing what you were trying to do that generated that error would be helpful. |
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| 21:09.50 | KsM | jhutchins: crazy things; going from i386 to amd64 |
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| 21:10.15 | zinx | i went from amd64 to amd64+i386 a bit back, that's crazy! |
| 21:10.18 | KsM | half following this guide because I'm using wheezy and some of the things here don't apply: http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ |
| 21:10.57 | KsM | anyway, everything was going pretty okay until apt-get -f install removed everything and apparently libselinux didn't install right? |
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| 21:11.19 | jhutchins | KsM: http://blog.rimuhosting.com/2011/03/08/setup-mail-hosting-on-debian-squeeze/ may be helpful. |
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| 21:11.43 | jhutchins | KsM: I've been doing it since I hand-carved a sendmail.cf on RHL 2.something. |
| 21:11.51 | jhutchins | (Not RHEL) |
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| 21:12.08 | jhutchins | Sorry, that was for BW^- |
| 21:12.09 | KsM | jhutchins: you mean BW^- |
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| 21:13.19 | jhutchins | KsM: As for you: officially that's impossible. |
| 21:13.25 | KsM | so, I have all of dpkg's binaries and replaced them all because apt removed dpkg |
| 21:13.59 | BW^- | jhutcins: aha thx |
| 21:14.05 | KsM | but if I could get that .so I could probably recover since I have apt's and the other .debs |
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| 21:14.28 | KsM | But I sort of have a feeling that that .so isn't the only thing missing for dpkg |
| 21:14.32 | jhutchins | KsM: So you know how to find a file in Debian? |
| 21:14.51 | ansgar | KsM: Just reinstalling might turn out to save a lot of time. |
| 21:15.00 | jhutchins | KsM: Once you break dpkg it's pretty hard to recover unless you have a working system in parallel. |
| 21:15.17 | jhutchins | KsM: Second what ansgar said. |
| 21:15.31 | KsM | jhutchins: I have all of dpkg's binaries and replaced it with the amd64 version |
| 21:15.46 | KsM | and some amd64 libraries |
| 21:17.00 | jhutchins | KsM: Third motion of support to what ansgar said. |
| 21:17.12 | KsM | aaand apparently the i386 libselinux.so.1 is still there, just not the amd64 |
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| 21:20.47 | KsM | could someone just maybe please upload a tar of http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libselinux1/filelist |
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| 21:20.58 | KsM | and then if that doesn't work I guess I'll just reinstall |
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| 21:24.16 | streuner | KsM: how about to use another OS, and untar it, and use an USB Stick? |
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| 21:25.08 | streuner | KsM: knoppix or grml could be an option too.... |
| 21:25.14 | KsM | I don't currently have any other OS except this debian and ubuntu on another partition, and the ubuntu is a very old version |
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| 21:25.32 | ska | Can I install a Stable system with the first DVD? |
| 21:25.38 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:26.03 | streuner | KsM: but you have an Live-CD handy? |
| 21:26.08 | KsM | no |
| 21:26.14 | streuner | bah |
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| 21:28.38 | streuner | KsM: you always need a LIVE-CD handy... |
| 21:30.00 | jhutchins | ska: Yes. |
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| 21:30.38 | jhutchins | ska: The other CD's have mostly more obscure software and internationalization. |
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| 21:31.40 | ska | Thanks.. I need something I can use as an installer and rescue. |
| 21:31.46 | ska | Without internet. |
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| 21:32.24 | ska | Will the jidgo dl be faster than a torrent? |
| 21:32.33 | streuner | sure |
| 21:32.42 | ska | it says so. |
| 21:32.45 | ska | ok. ty |
| 21:32.56 | streuner | jidgo is usefull, if the releases are out |
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| 21:33.11 | romoaldo | hey |
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| 21:33.28 | streuner | ska, but nowadays you dont need it anymore... |
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| 21:34.07 | romoaldo | i'm installing debian right now. when the installer ask me to choose the kernel what is the difference between 'kernel*' and 'kernel*-dbg' ? |
| 21:34.17 | jhutchins | The debian servers are pretty good these days. I never get the kind of contention I got with other distros (even though they're often the same servers). |
| 21:34.29 | romoaldo | and what's the difference between kernel-amd64 and kernel-3.2.0-amd64 ? |
| 21:34.55 | jhutchins | romoaldo: -dbg are the debugging symbols for the kernel. |
| 21:35.25 | jhutchins | romoaldo: kernel-amd64 is more generic and will follow upgrades beyond 3.2.0 |
| 21:35.28 | romoaldo | jhutchins: does that mean that in case of bug report i will have more detailed infos available ? |
| 21:35.49 | jhutchins | romoaldo: Yes, if you understand how to use them. |
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| 21:36.10 | jhutchins | I didn' think the -dbg files included the actual kernel though... |
| 21:36.32 | jhutchins | romoaldo: You should expect a binary with debugging compiled in to be larger and possibly slower. |
| 21:36.48 | romoaldo | jhutchins: indeed, i tried installing with -dbg 10 mins ago. but it failed :( i'll use kernel-amd64 now |
| 21:37.02 | romoaldo | thanks for the help :) |
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| 21:41.41 | ska | streuner: the 1st dvd is a decent rescue disk too? |
| 21:41.57 | streuner | yes |
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| 21:42.27 | streuner | ska, but i prefer knoppx or grml |
| 21:42.35 | streuner | knoppix* |
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| 22:15.44 | unname | hi |
| 22:15.49 | unname | there is an image of sdcard |
| 22:15.56 | unname | for debian x86_64 ? |
| 22:16.18 | simonlnu | use usb installer |
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| 22:17.09 | unname | it will install live? |
| 22:17.12 | unname | i need persistent |
| 22:18.31 | simonlnu | it's an installer. yes. |
| 22:18.48 | simonlnu | !usb install |
| 22:18.48 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 22:21.22 | unname | uhm |
| 22:21.24 | unname | but i need |
| 22:21.27 | unname | a stable system over an sd |
| 22:21.32 | unname | not an installer from an sd |
| 22:22.06 | simonlnu | say what? |
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| 22:22.36 | bytes__ | hey guys, if i really like apt and i know my way around a linux system, will debian be a good choice for me? |
| 22:22.49 | bytes__ | i really don't like any of the buntus anymore |
| 22:22.53 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 22:22.58 | bytes__ | and arch is too hard to install |
| 22:23.01 | bytes__ | alright |
| 22:23.06 | bytes__ | well i'll start downloading the image |
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| 22:23.23 | bytes__ | i'm going to be dualbooting windows and debian |
| 22:23.32 | simonlnu | you can come here if you have questions about compatibility, installation, etc. it's one of the support channels. |
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| 22:23.52 | bytes__ | okay cool |
| 22:23.54 | bytes__ | btw |
| 22:23.59 | bytes__ | i'm getting the small netinstall |
| 22:24.05 | bytes__ | is that stable or testing or what? |
| 22:24.06 | simonlnu | only issue with that is install win first then linux. consider install os-prober to generate a bootloader config for you. |
| 22:24.14 | bytes__ | i have windows installed |
| 22:24.17 | simonlnu | installing* |
| 22:24.19 | simonlnu | ok |
| 22:24.38 | bytes__ | i want to have my software pretty up to date, but i don't want my computer to crash |
| 22:24.50 | bytes__ | is it okay if i just download the netinst image or do i need something else |
| 22:24.57 | simonlnu | the default netinst is always current release. stable (currently squeeze) |
| 22:25.03 | bytes__ | oh |
| 22:25.05 | simonlnu | nah, that's fine |
| 22:25.08 | bytes__ | oh okay |
| 22:25.19 | bytes__ | i'm going to use a usb to install it |
| 22:25.36 | simonlnu | avoid the testing images, they're in beta, often alpha |
| 22:25.44 | bytes__ | oh okay thanks! |
| 22:26.47 | bytes__ | on universal usb loader it asks for my type of iso |
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| 22:26.54 | bytes__ | i know what to pick, but what are debian live cds? |
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| 22:27.09 | bytes__ | should i just go with the default netinstall for a better isntall |
| 22:27.25 | simonlnu | they're bootable cd images for a live cd system. they're not permanent installs. |
| 22:27.51 | bytes__ | oh ok |
| 22:27.55 | simonlnu | useful as a "try-out" or rescue, or similar temporary usage |
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| 22:28.18 | bytes__ | i guess i will partition my system since using the debian partitioner is harder for me |
| 22:28.26 | simonlnu | unname: ^^^ |
| 22:28.51 | simonlnu | well, it should be already partitioned ;) |
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| 22:29.11 | simonlnu | !unetbootin |
| 22:29.11 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
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| 22:39.40 | unname | simonlnu, uhm |
| 22:39.53 | unname | can i just install on it? like a normal hdd? |
| 22:39.56 | unname | and install grub inside |
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| 22:40.09 | simonlnu | of course. that's what i'm talking about. |
| 22:40.23 | unname | :D |
| 22:40.45 | unname | UNetbootin never worked well to me |
| 22:41.02 | simonlnu | like i said to bytes__, the live cd is temporary. the installer is a permanent installation. |
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| 22:41.25 | unname | the source for it is an .iso ? |
| 22:41.29 | simonlnu | just different ways of accomplishing that |
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| 22:41.51 | unname | i need the minimaler version |
| 22:41.53 | simonlnu | the image? most of the time it's an iso yes |
| 22:42.00 | unname | no x |
| 22:42.08 | unname | like archlinux |
| 22:42.11 | simonlnu | netinst is the second smallest |
| 22:42.12 | unname | but debian :) |
| 22:42.17 | unname | the first is? |
| 22:42.46 | simonlnu | as long as you unselect "desktop" task, it should be a basic, usable system that works |
| 22:42.52 | simonlnu | businesscard |
| 22:43.00 | simonlnu | around 50 MB IIRC |
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| 22:43.14 | unname | uhm ok |
| 22:43.36 | unname | what kernel inside? |
| 22:43.36 | simonlnu | !businesscard |
| 22:43.36 | dpkg | The "businesscard" CD image is a minimal Debian installer (about 50MB) that *requires* an Internet connection to finish installation of the base system. A better option is likely the <netinst> image, which does not require Internet to get the base install. See also <install debian>, <bc dropped>. |
| 22:43.50 | nomaR | dpkg: tell me about minissdp |
| 22:43.56 | simonlnu | whatever squeeze has. 2.6.32 (plus patches) |
| 22:44.03 | unname | cool |
| 22:44.03 | simonlnu | i *think* |
| 22:44.07 | nomaR | !minissdpd |
| 22:44.23 | nomaR | !minissdp |
| 22:44.38 | simonlnu | !listkeys minissdp |
| 22:44.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'minissdp' by key returned no results. |
| 22:45.06 | unname | is unetbootin in ubuntu repo? |
| 22:45.30 | simonlnu | i don't know. we don't deal with ubuntu here. |
| 22:45.37 | unname | yeah |
| 22:45.41 | nomaR | hey what's minissdp? i've just finished the debian installation (wheezy) and minissdpd is listening for upnp traffic how can i use it? what is it useful for? |
| 22:45.52 | unname | i should change it, but i'm veeeery lazy |
| 22:46.24 | themill | ,v minissdpd |
| 22:46.25 | judd | Package: minissdpd on i386 -- sid: 1.1.20120121-1; wheezy: 1.1.20120121-1 |
| 22:46.33 | themill | ,i minissdpd |
| 22:46.34 | judd | No package named 'minissdpd' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:46.38 | themill | silly nbot |
| 22:46.42 | themill | ,i minissdpd sid |
| 22:46.43 | judd | Package minissdpd (net, optional) in sid/i386: keep memory of all UPnP devices that announced themselves. Version: 1.1.20120121-1; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 78k; Homepage: http://miniupnp.free.fr/ |
| 22:46.44 | themill | nomaR: ^^ |
| 22:48.02 | nomaR | thanks, there're some windoze hosts here (LAN) , they advertise on 1900 port , also Vuze use that port. does it means that i can use that tool to see a list of such services? |
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| 22:49.42 | simonlnu | i would imagine you can *query* that to get that data |
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| 22:52.13 | nomaR | simonlnu: me too. but it seems there's no way to query that data |
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| 22:53.16 | nomaR | reading their site it seems it's something router (upnp) related. since i dont have a router i think i'll remove it. |
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| 22:55.08 | unname | sqeeze is testing or unstable? |
| 22:55.17 | dondelelcaro | unname: stable. |
| 22:55.32 | dondelelcaro | unname: wheezy is testing, and sid is always unstable. |
| 22:55.35 | unname | stable has 2.6 ? |
| 22:55.45 | dondelelcaro | unname: a 2.6 kernel? yes. |
| 22:56.01 | unname | ok thankyou |
| 22:56.19 | unname | and what is the option for permanent installing |
| 22:56.22 | unname | in unetbootin? |
| 22:57.01 | darsie | is there a fix for the java bug in debian yet? |
| 22:57.19 | dondelelcaro | darsie: which java bug |
| 22:57.35 | darsie | The one for which it was recommended to disable java in firefox. |
| 22:57.37 | dondelelcaro | unname: I don't use unetbootin, but assuming you can boot the installer, you can probably install it |
| 22:58.35 | unname | i think i will manually install it |
| 22:58.42 | unname | i just have to install grub over the sd right? |
| 22:58.58 | darsie | someone recommended the noscript plugin, but I keep enabling scripts on sites that don't work, so it's not a solution. |
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| 22:59.56 | dondelelcaro | darsie: you'll have to be more specific. Which bug number are you talking about? |
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| 23:02.15 | darsie | xowx |
| 23:02.28 | darsie | dondelelcaro: Maybe I mean this one: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2012/08/28/protecting-users-against-java-security-vulnerability/ |
| 23:02.51 | pzn | how can I know my motherboard model? connection is remote, "lshw" stays locked in DMI test forever... how? |
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| 23:03.24 | themill | darsie: oracle doesn't permit debian to distribute updated java packages, so there's not much that can be done about sun/oracle java. |
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| 23:06.02 | darsie | themill: Then perhaps sun-java6-plugin downloads and installs java. Will it download a fixed version? |
| 23:06.23 | themill | no |
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| 23:07.20 | dondelelcaro | darsie: we only distribute sun-java6 in squeeze, and we don't distribute any other java packages from oracle. |
| 23:07.36 | dondelelcaro | darsie: the 0 day exploit CVE-2012-4681 is apparently only against sun-java7 |
| 23:07.51 | themill | (and the package in squeeze should be RM'd) |
| 23:07.57 | darsie | ic, so I sholud not be vulnerable? |
| 23:08.21 | dondelelcaro | darsie: dunno. if you want to be sure, remove the sun java packages. |
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| 23:09.15 | darsie | themill: you mean it should be removed after it installed java? Or not be used because closed source is evil? |
| 23:09.26 | themill | darsie: security updates from Oracle come out as «Unspecified vulnerability in the Java Runtime Environment component». Working out how important they are or how bad they are is left as an exercise to the reader |
| 23:09.41 | gnarface | pzn: i usually just open the case and actually look at the motherboard. you could try to see if its in the output of dmidecode though. |
| 23:09.48 | themill | it should be removed from the squeeze repos as far as I'm concerned |
| 23:09.57 | themill | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/sun-java6 |
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| 23:10.26 | darsie | dondelelcaro: Well, I want several java websites to work ... and IIRC the free java didn't do the job good enough. |
| 23:10.28 | pzn | gnarface, that is why I told it is remote... can not open the case :-) thanks for your hint "dmidecode" did the job :-) |
| 23:10.34 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 23:10.43 | gnarface | pzn: sorry missed the part about it being remote |
| 23:10.48 | darsie | Having my computer hacked would suck, though. |
| 23:11.12 | gnarface | runs java in a virtual machine |
| 23:11.13 | dondelelcaro | darsie: well, welcome to non-free software; there's not much we can do about it, unfortunately. |
| 23:12.41 | darsie | Well, improve free java :). |
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| 23:13.21 | gnarface | it has very limited demand. there are things about java besides the implementation that are fundamentally flawed or just not very useful for many purposes. |
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| 23:14.05 | gnarface | in general with open source software the quality level is a function of the age of a project multiplied by its demand |
| 23:14.15 | gnarface | so avoid stuff that's either very young or not very popular... |
| 23:14.19 | gnarface | (like java) |
| 23:14.58 | gnarface | another perfect example is openldap |
| 23:15.31 | darsie | forgot what that was about. |
| 23:16.07 | gnarface | not important for the context of this conversation. what is important is that its critical for a handful of large deployments but by and large nobody uses it so the integration sucks, the documentation sucks, the upstream maintainers are openly hostile to the distro, and 80% of the people who try it fail to actually use it and end up turning to a microsoft solution |
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| 23:16.31 | gnarface | its become a viscous cycle |
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| 23:17.28 | gnarface | by *comparison* packages like python, perl, apache2, php5-*, mysql-* etc have seemingly seamless integration |
| 23:17.37 | gnarface | there is a stark quality difference |
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| 23:18.08 | gnarface | in the very packaging and distribution of them (entirely separate from and perhaps in spite of the actual quality of the software itself) |
| 23:18.09 | Zer000 | so I need python 2.7 but its not in debian squeeze |
| 23:18.18 | Zer000 | I tried backports its not there either... |
| 23:18.25 | gnarface | Zekah: did you attempt a simple sid backport? |
| 23:18.26 | themill | Zer000: what specifically are you looking for in python2.7? |
| 23:18.34 | gnarface | Zekah: ignore me |
| 23:18.45 | Zer000 | themill, I think i have stuff that uses argparse |
| 23:18.49 | gnarface | Zer000: did you attempt a simple sid backport? |
| 23:18.52 | Zer000 | and some other 2.7 specific features... |
| 23:18.54 | themill | ,v python-argparse |
| 23:18.55 | judd | Package: python-argparse on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-1; sid: 1.2.1-2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2 |
| 23:19.13 | gnarface | interesting |
| 23:19.17 | themill | Zer000: ^^ so that one's fixed. You'll find most others are easily fixed like that too |
| 23:20.14 | Zer000 | themill, hmm ok that's cool... |
| 23:20.27 | Zer000 | gnarface, whta do you mean by "simple sid backport"? |
| 23:20.36 | themill | don't do that with python |
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| 23:21.11 | gnarface | Zer000: themill's solution is much better mine was more of a desperate measure you could attempt at as a last ditch effort |
| 23:21.17 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Zer000 about ssb |
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| 23:21.59 | themill | Zer000: if you eventually find that you really really need py2.7 then you have 3 feasible options (a) upgrade to wheezy which isn't released yet but is stabilising quickly towards release (b) make a wheezy chroot (with schroot?) for py27 stuff (c) compile it yourself and stick it in /opt (DO NOT stick a new python in $PATH) |
| 23:22.18 | gnarface | Zer000: additionally in general you might find this command useful: apt-get update && apt-cache search ^python |
| 23:22.28 | themill | Zer000: but chances are you can just use py2.6 with a couple of extra modules and be happy. |
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| 23:22.41 | AdmV0rl0n | Although I slightly intrude..... the MS solution (Win server, AD, LDAP, Group policy, multiple services built in/ around ) is a more deep, wide solution. Its understandable why it gets chosen |
| 23:22.43 | AdmV0rl0n | . |
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| 23:22.48 | Zer000 | ok sound advice guys, thanks a lot |
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| 23:23.56 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: well it doesn't do anything you can't do with LDAP and some common tools but the reason why it gets chosen so much more often is because its already set up and the documentation is complete. not only is the openldap documenation incomplete and its also largely cripplingly inaccurate |
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| 23:24.18 | AdmV0rl0n | some might be able to do it |
| 23:24.21 | AdmV0rl0n | I can't |
| 23:24.36 | AdmV0rl0n | whereas I can put that all together and make it work |
| 23:25.05 | AdmV0rl0n | I losely have an opinion that there isn't a workable camparison in open source. |
| 23:25.21 | Zer000 | You guys have some pretty sophisticated bots here... |
| 23:25.28 | AdmV0rl0n | yes, you can meld a hotch-potch thing and make it work - with bucketloads of gremlins |
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| 23:25.39 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: there is but its not all packaged together. you have to string some shit together and get creative with bash in some places |
| 23:25.43 | AdmV0rl0n | still don't think it matches. |
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| 23:26.04 | gnarface | it matches if your monkeys are good at keeping out the gremlins :-p |
| 23:26.16 | gnarface | kindof depends on the quality of your monkeys |
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| 23:26.25 | AdmV0rl0n | gnarface: I don't believe so. - But I know what you are saying. |
| 23:26.28 | gnarface | but it shouldn't have to be like that |
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| 23:26.51 | dondelelcaro | openldap is perfectly fine if you know what you're doing |
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| 23:27.16 | AdmV0rl0n | does openldap include kerberos ticketing inbuilt? |
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| 23:27.27 | themill | wonders how dondelelcaro enjoys cn=config these days |
| 23:27.40 | themill | is there actually any documentation for that yet? |
| 23:27.44 | gnarface | nooooope |
| 23:28.24 | dondelelcaro | themill: yeah, there's documentation for it |
| 23:28.34 | dondelelcaro | it's actually kind of nice once you deploy it |
| 23:28.34 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: it was my vague understanding that kerberos includes kerberos ticketing, and optional ldap integration, not the other way around |
| 23:28.55 | AdmV0rl0n | could be |
| 23:28.57 | dondelelcaro | AdmV0rl0n: kerberos is separate; they're trivially integrateable, but it's a seprate problem domain |
| 23:29.07 | dondelelcaro | well, about as trivial as any kerberos setup is |
| 23:29.08 | gnarface | also has come to the conclusion that he would have chosen kerberos instead of just using slapd+nslcd/nscd if he'd done his research better |
| 23:29.24 | themill | dondelelcaro: that's a substantial improvement on when I last looked at it a couple of years ago then. It was a case of ram it down everyone's throats and hope people worked out how it worked at that stage |
| 23:30.01 | gnarface | i had to huff a whole lot of glue |
| 23:30.07 | gnarface | then it made sense |
| 23:30.12 | AdmV0rl0n | I would not know where to start on a linux based attempt at matching AD/AD structures/Applications. |
| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | themill: yeah, I sort of skipped out on that until it was better documented; it's certainly gotten better. the main advantage is that it works much better when you have distributed ldap servers |
| 23:30.25 | AdmV0rl0n | So, I won't. |
| 23:30.30 | AdmV0rl0n | I;ll stick to AD. |
| 23:30.32 | AdmV0rl0n | ;P |
| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | AdmV0rl0n: if you've decided that you need AD, then you'll have a hell of a time doing AD without AD. Though it is possible. |
| 23:30.59 | themill | dondelelcaro: ack |
| 23:31.22 | dondelelcaro | though if you screw up config=cn, it's decidedly more dicey to unscrew it |
| 23:31.33 | AdmV0rl0n | Well, AD would be shorthand for a bucketload of things - but yes. |
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| 23:32.20 | bytes | hey guys i have a atheros wifi card |
| 23:32.24 | bytes | and the led is blinking |
| 23:32.25 | dondelelcaro | there are fairly large deployments using Debian with integration with AD and other bits... but they tend to be managed by people who are professional administrators |
| 23:32.28 | bytes | i don't want it to blink |
| 23:32.32 | bytes | how do i turn it off? |
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| 23:32.53 | AdmV0rl0n | catches a whiff... a mere hint of sarcasm being layed rather thick.. |
| 23:33.13 | gnarface | bytes: black electrical tape |
| 23:33.30 | AdmV0rl0n | bytes: hammer. |
| 23:33.37 | bytes | no seriously |
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| 23:33.44 | AdmV0rl0n | I am... serious |
| 23:33.49 | damacus | actually black electrical tape is legit |
| 23:33.52 | AdmV0rl0n | a hammer will smash the light properly. |
| 23:34.37 | AdmV0rl0n | tape will end up gnarly looking or fall off |
| 23:34.39 | themill | the ath9k kernel module takes a "blink" parameter. it may or may not work as advertised |
| 23:34.40 | gnarface | isn't the light blinking controlled by the card in hardware? i iddn't think that was a driver-level thing you could turn off like keyboard leds |
| 23:35.15 | gnarface | ah well so some drivers DO let you control it |
| 23:35.22 | gnarface | good to know, themill |
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| 23:36.09 | themill | gnarface: depends on the driver and hardware. istr babilen working with someone recently and that parameter didn't disable the led. Might have been the driver, might have been pebkac. |
| 23:36.20 | bytes | if i do "option ath9k blink=0" |
| 23:36.22 | bytes | would that work? |
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| 23:36.32 | bytes | i just saved a file to /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf with it |
| 23:36.39 | bytes | but do i need to restart to make it work or something? |
| 23:36.47 | gnarface | bytes: should just need to reload the module |
| 23:36.48 | AdmV0rl0n | bytes: dunno. but the hammer really does work. |
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| 23:36.52 | gnarface | bytes: make sure that file ends with a newline |
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| 23:37.40 | bytes | oh ok |
| 23:37.51 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: i assume he still wants the card to keep working. you break the LED there's too much risk of causing a short and frying the card |
| 23:38.11 | AdmV0rl0n | yes. spose you are right. |
| 23:38.19 | bytes | how would i restart the module |
| 23:38.25 | bytes | i want the led on |
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| 23:38.27 | bytes | just not blinking |
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| 23:38.53 | gnarface | i like my blinky lights though |
| 23:39.05 | gnarface | why would you want to turn them off? |
| 23:39.12 | bytes | i'm used to it from windows |
| 23:39.20 | bytes | either way, how do i restart ath9k? |
| 23:39.24 | AdmV0rl0n | I kinda like blue LED lights. |
| 23:39.37 | gnarface | modprobe -r [module name] && modprobe [module name] |
| 23:39.39 | AdmV0rl0n | I tend to equip my gear with that where possible |
| 23:40.11 | gnarface | eh, i'm not picky but i'm a bit old school. the green is comforting and nostalgic to me |
| 23:40.25 | AdmV0rl0n | hmm |
| 23:40.27 | gnarface | occasionally green paired with amber |
| 23:40.40 | gnarface | they're like night lights |
| 23:40.44 | AdmV0rl0n | currently scan.co.uk have a nice green backlit gaming keyboard |
| 23:40.55 | AdmV0rl0n | £22 |
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| 23:40.59 | gnarface | noted but we are offtopic now |
| 23:41.07 | AdmV0rl0n | er |
| 23:41.09 | AdmV0rl0n | ok |
| 23:41.22 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:41.27 | bytes | "modprobe command not found" |
| 23:41.31 | gnarface | bytes: as root |
| 23:41.37 | gnarface | bytes: sorry |
| 23:41.48 | gnarface | bytes: thought that was implied, since you're messing with kernel modules |
| 23:42.16 | gnarface | bytes: and because you just changed a config file that you should only have been able to change as root... |
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| 23:44.29 | bytes_ | okay well i did it |
| 23:44.39 | bytes_ | but it says unknown module or parameter when i try restarting it |
| 23:44.46 | bytes_ | i'm currently on eth0 |
| 23:45.25 | bytes_ | Error inserting ath9k (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 23:46.23 | gnarface | bytes_: uh, i wasn't clear on how we determined that you were actually using the ath9k driver. most drivers are specific to particular hardware. themill might have mentioned it because that's what he is using. |
| 23:46.49 | themill | «modinfo ath9k» was all I did |
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| 23:47.08 | gnarface | bytes_: unless it works fine without that parameter, in which case maybe its just a bug |
| 23:47.10 | bytes_ | hold on i will get you the exact name |
| 23:47.14 | bytes_ | oh ok |
| 23:47.15 | bytes_ | well |
| 23:47.18 | bytes_ | i guess i'll have it blink |
| 23:47.35 | bytes_ | can't have everything, right :P? |
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| 23:47.42 | bytes_ | so this is my first debian isntall that isn't a vm |
| 23:47.47 | bytes_ | anythings i need to do? |
| 23:47.50 | themill | hmm... that parameter doesn't exist in the squeeze kernel |
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| 23:49.45 | handheldCar | Hello, when I maximize Emacs, the text disappears. |
| 23:50.28 | gnarface | scroll up? |
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| 23:53.00 | bytes | okay so are there anythings i should do since this is a fresh debian install? |
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| 23:53.53 | gnarface | bytes: in a fair world unless you installed a bunch of crap you don't need you shouldn't need to do anything. you might want to consider familiarizing yourself with some basic system functions, like how to start/stop init.d scripts and decide which ones should be running and such |
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| 23:54.07 | bytes | oh ok |
| 23:54.08 | gnarface | there should be some documenation around here for new users... |
| 23:54.16 | gnarface | !manual |
| 23:54.17 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
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| 23:54.33 | bytes | i just downloaded the chrome .deb and installed it, but i can't find a way to run it |
| 23:54.33 | gnarface | sometimes the bot just knows stuff |
| 23:54.45 | bytes | isn't the chrome i con supposed to show up in my applications? |
| 23:54.49 | bytes | icon* |
| 23:55.34 | gnarface | that would be a question specific for the window manager/desktop environment you're using. they differ in how/when they update their menu and packages from 3rd parties differ greatly in their ability to support the menu at all |
| 23:55.45 | bytes | i'm on gnome 2 |
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| 23:56.06 | gnarface | so you'd want to check the gnome 2 docs. i can't tell you off the top of my head ( i don't use gnome ) |
| 23:56.41 | gnarface | in general every package's documentation is in /usr/share/doc/[package name] though there are some exceptions where packages have their own seperate documenatation package usually named [package name]-doc |
| 23:56.52 | gnarface | gnome's documentation may be built-in |
| 23:57.01 | gnarface | (like a help menu like windows) |
| 23:57.08 | gnarface | just guessing |
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| 23:57.19 | gnarface | traditionally the default way of launching any program though is to run it from a terminal |
| 23:57.29 | gnarface | bytes: you ever do that? |
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| 23:57.39 | gnarface | bytes: it can be ... educational |
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