| 00:01.08 | AdmV0rl0n | some traditions need to die. |
| 00:01.17 | AdmV0rl0n | burn it with fire. |
| 00:01.54 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: if you're referring to "terminals" you're a fucking idiot |
| 00:02.02 | themill | steady... |
| 00:02.46 | DeusEx | ccc |
| 00:03.03 | gnarface | drops it |
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| 00:06.24 | AdmV0rl0n | Launching a program in a modern OS should not require a terminal. And assuming this should be 'the way' is .... well, I'll equte it with the same language gnarface used in his own comment. |
| 00:07.41 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: its a naive but popular viewpoint amongst people who resent being expected to read or type |
| 00:08.10 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: the fact of the matter is you can't get useful diagnostic information into a gui without text, so anything else is superfluous |
| 00:08.34 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: or maybe you think we should never have stopped communicating with smells and violence? |
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| 00:10.19 | gnarface | its not an error of judgement that anyone with a modest amount of programming experience would make |
| 00:10.57 | gnarface | once you understand how the software is *created* you realize that text is fundamental to it and inseparable. attempts to disguise this fact are just marketing ploys |
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| 00:12.04 | AdmV0rl0n | some peeople would prefr that 'users' refrain from ever leaving a terminal. In fact - they get outraged if users start using a graphical web browser. They start shouting and leaping around that back in their day it was tradictional to use an ascii text only browser. To back this up they yell abuse and multiline in their IRC client at true terminal hyperspeed typing velocity as proof of their overpowering intelligence. The fact they |
| 00:12.06 | AdmV0rl0n | are wrong doesn't even begin to dawn on them. |
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| 00:12.18 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:12.43 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: i think you're putting words in my mouth. i merely suggested bytes should attempt to run chrome from a terminal because it might be educational for him. |
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| 00:13.15 | gnarface | AdmV0rl0n: i would advise the same for anyone with regard to any piece of software in linux |
| 00:14.50 | atoom | i need help with skype on my hp mini, i have it running and i can hear and the audio works. What i cannot do is talk through the mic, i think it is a configuration problem however i don't know step 1 to narrow it down |
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| 00:18.54 | gnarface | atoom: step 1 would be to figure out which sound subsystem(s) you're using. there are several popular ones |
| 00:19.24 | gnarface | atoom: after that its usually just an issue of unmuting the mic and making sure no programs are blocking the soundcard |
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| 00:19.47 | gnarface | atoom: skype isn't the best diagnostic tool though |
| 00:19.49 | atoom | hmm |
| 00:19.55 | atoom | agreed |
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| 00:24.20 | atoom | ok so i have an intel n10/ich 7 family high definition audio controller |
| 00:25.08 | gnarface | do you know if that uses the snd_hda_intel module? |
| 00:25.13 | atoom | im running xfce and the mixer program has all the capture devices all the way down |
| 00:25.23 | atoom | front mic, microphone, capture, digital |
| 00:25.25 | gnarface | heh, a clue! |
| 00:25.30 | atoom | im not sure let me check |
| 00:25.51 | atoom | yeah but i dont trust this program as i have raised the levels |
| 00:25.53 | atoom | with no luck |
| 00:26.19 | gnarface | atoom: on that card you probably also have to select a capture channel |
| 00:26.19 | atoom | snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm |
| 00:26.32 | atoom | for lsmod | grep snd_page_alloc |
| 00:26.46 | atoom | i mean |
| 00:26.47 | atoom | snd |
| 00:26.52 | gnarface | its not enough to just turn the volume up, you have to actually "select" one of the capture channels. if you're using a gui there should be a fairly obvious button for it |
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| 00:27.09 | atoom | there seems to be a toggle switch |
| 00:27.13 | atoom | for each capture device |
| 00:27.37 | atoom | however i think it was intended to be an OR switch as in it selects this one OR that one OR that one |
| 00:27.43 | atoom | and it seems to be behaving as an AND switch |
| 00:27.54 | atoom | as in it can select this one AND that one AND the other one |
| 00:28.04 | atoom | how do i select capture device from the command line |
| 00:28.12 | atoom | or is there another gui utility |
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| 00:28.19 | atoom | that works better |
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| 00:28.55 | Unname_ | i |
| 00:28.57 | Unname_ | ji |
| 00:29.09 | ratcheer | unname |
| 00:29.29 | Unname_ | i've installed debian on a sd card, how can i upgrade the kernel to 3.4 ? |
| 00:29.46 | Unname_ | *3.5 |
| 00:30.00 | ratcheer | Why not go for 3.6? |
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| 00:30.56 | Unname_ | ok |
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| 00:31.06 | ratcheer | lol |
| 00:31.11 | Unname_ | i just want >3.4 |
| 00:31.16 | Unname_ | for some wireless issues |
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| 00:32.18 | Unname_ | how? |
| 00:33.12 | gnarface | atoom: well i don't know, i don't know, and i don't know. on mine i'm using Alsa so i can use alsamixer at the terminal |
| 00:33.48 | gnarface | atoom: on mine they are also "and" selections. i can select up to all 3 capture channels and associate each with a separate (or identical) input source |
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| 00:34.05 | atoom | oh ok thats good info |
| 00:34.07 | gnarface | atoom: you probably only want to select one at a time though |
| 00:34.31 | gnarface | i tend to have problems with digital clipping if i mux too much stuff together |
| 00:34.37 | gnarface | its not a very good hardware design |
| 00:34.43 | atoom | my sound card is hda intel (alsa mixer) on the gui |
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| 00:34.55 | atoom | ya ive noticed clipping on other linux machines |
| 00:35.04 | atoom | this one just has an atom so it will probably struggle even more |
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| 00:36.58 | GeorgeJetson | when I `ssh localhost` on my debian/testing linode (which is now wheezy) I get the error message - OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000004f, you have 1000103f |
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| 00:41.11 | atoom | ah |
| 00:41.15 | atoom | got it |
| 00:41.22 | atoom | dumb skype was owning my levels |
| 00:41.33 | atoom | all the alsa stuff was good |
| 00:41.38 | atoom | just skype was mucking me up |
| 00:41.50 | gnarface | unsurprising |
| 00:41.51 | STS-125 | GeorgeJetson : did you update your libssl? |
| 00:42.04 | iNod | i have internet stream dump avi-file. it have 1000fps resolution. i tryed to restore revolution like this ffmpeg -i *55.avi -vcodec copy -acodec libfaac -r 60 1.avi, but it allow unsinhronize video and audio a lot. how to make recodeig correct? |
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| 00:47.31 | GeorgeJetson | STS-125: apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server fixed it. thank you |
| 00:47.58 | STS-125 | GeorgeJetson : np^^ |
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| 00:50.49 | GeorgeJetson | ok, I want to add mod_proxy to apache for debian/testing (wheezy)... `apt-get install libapache2-mod-proxy-html was successful but apache2 -l doesn now show mod_proxy |
| 00:52.05 | iNod | encoding video in linux killing me..... |
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| 00:52.28 | gnarface | GeorgeJetson: did you try a2enmod proxy? |
| 00:53.20 | GeorgeJetson | a2enmod proxy... I dont know exactly what that is... but I will google for it. |
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| 00:54.11 | zophy | anyone know a public http proxy i can use just for low bandwidth, no pron or anything |
| 00:54.14 | GeorgeJetson | gnarface: looks like there are a couple more a2enmod commands |
| 00:54.24 | GeorgeJetson | a2endmod proxy_http |
| 00:54.28 | GeorgeJetson | a2endmod proxy_ajp |
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| 00:54.56 | gnarface | GeorgeJetson: its just a script that adds the symlinks you're missing and reloads apache. you could alternately just look in /etc/apache2/mods-available and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and it will be relatively obvious to you how to enable them by hand |
| 00:55.09 | GeorgeJetson | oh |
| 00:55.52 | iNod | zophy http://antipalivo.ru/proxy/list 30% valid |
| 00:57.30 | zophy | iNod: oh boy, tnx :) |
| 00:57.35 | tharkun | I need to run debian from an usb hdd? How can I tweak it so it works ok? |
| 00:58.01 | tharkun | What caveats should I take into consideration for it to run properly |
| 00:58.08 | ironm | tharkun, you could use so called debian live image |
| 00:58.27 | ironm | such image can boot from a USB stick |
| 00:59.05 | iNod | http://www.hidemyass.com/proxy-list/ enather good proxy list |
| 00:59.10 | ironm | tharkun, http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/debian-live/README_debian-live-images.txt |
| 00:59.30 | ironm | tharkun, http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/debian-live/binary-hybrid-wheezy-amd64-syslinux-lxde.iso |
| 01:00.26 | tharkun | ironm: I'll read them, but unless they can be customized they will be useless |
| 01:01.01 | ironm | tharkun, you can create customized images |
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| 01:02.44 | ironm | tharkun, have you checked kanotix already ? |
| 01:03.15 | tharkun | ironm: Nope but I'm taking notes on everything and I'll research them as soon as I get home |
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| 01:11.27 | average_drifter | I'm doing some debian packaging. what dictates the package version ? the name of the .tar.gz you're packaging ? |
| 01:11.31 | average_drifter | or uhm |
| 01:11.41 | average_drifter | the directory you have the stuff in when you're packaging ? |
| 01:11.54 | average_drifter | or when you do dpkg-buildpackage -v 0.34 <=== that argument ? |
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| 01:14.41 | tharkun | !tell average_drifter about mentors |
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| 01:17.19 | average_drifter | tharkun: so you're saying I should go to #debian-mentors ? |
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| 01:24.26 | r3m | ,v archey |
| 01:24.27 | judd | No package named 'archey' was found in i386. |
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| 01:24.53 | klync | o_O |
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| 01:26.01 | klync | ok, i can see from the google we're not talking about the archie that first came to mind |
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| 01:29.04 | average_drifter | tharkun: so you're saying I should go to #debian-mentors ? |
| 01:29.07 | average_drifter | tharkun: ? |
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| 01:33.29 | BW^- | What would be a linux app that listens for UDP packets on a port, and just prints them sequentially to stdout or a file as they drop in? |
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| 01:34.12 | klync | almost typed tcpdump :/ |
| 01:34.50 | klync | BW^-: a quick glance at `man nc` suggests that might do what you want |
| 01:35.22 | BW^- | coool, great |
| 01:36.05 | gnarface | i like nc but there are definitely better options |
| 01:36.53 | BW^- | aha |
| 01:36.59 | BW^- | gnarface: what would be an example of a better option? |
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| 01:38.05 | klync | BW^-: i did `apt-cache search udp` and noticed that tcpdump *did* show up ... there's a whole section in the man page on udp packets |
| 01:38.11 | gnarface | well, first of all i believe tcpdump actually DOES do udp |
| 01:38.11 | gnarface | yes |
| 01:38.13 | gnarface | that's one |
| 01:38.23 | gnarface | also nc is problematic for bi-directional connections |
| 01:38.41 | gnarface | socat is not (although its syntax is very ugly by comparison) |
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| 01:39.22 | gnarface | hmm.... also snort might be useful |
| 01:39.23 | BW^- | aha. i just want it piped to stdout. no need for bidirectionality |
| 01:39.59 | gnarface | well nc is probably also fine for that |
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| 01:41.20 | BW^- | hmm.. how make netcat only accept udp packages from localhost? |
| 01:41.43 | BW^- | *looking at the man page, it's not so clear* -s addr local source address ought to be for when sending things, no? |
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| 01:43.29 | gnarface | BW^-: if i recall, the man page is unnecessarily vague but the option applies to either sending or receiving, and in each case it works the way you'd expect. but you should probably verify that yourself |
| 01:43.46 | BW^- | aha |
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| 01:47.21 | gnarface | BW^-: tcpdump has a far scarier man page but may be less obtuse, and probably is designed more *specifically* for what you're doing so might have some extra nice features you haven't considered that might save you time (like packet filtering) |
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| 01:49.08 | gnarface | primarily just uses nc for destructive purposes |
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| 01:52.10 | ratcheer | Will Wireshark do it? |
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| 01:52.45 | gnarface | no idea. you'd think so though |
| 01:53.32 | gnarface | what happened to ethereal ? |
| 01:54.03 | gnarface | oh, still exists apparently |
| 01:54.22 | gnarface | just not in debian? |
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| 01:55.47 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's called wireshark now |
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| 02:03.48 | gnarface | oh, duh |
| 02:03.52 | gnarface | well now i know |
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| 02:06.39 | BW^- | um, i changed timezone with tzselect but "date" still shows the old timezone, how update? |
| 02:07.31 | handheldCar | With KDE, my screen quits switching off. |
| 02:08.02 | BW^- | aha.. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 02:08.15 | BW^- | handheldCar: there's some option for this somewhere. |
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| 02:12.33 | BW^- | ..super =) |
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| 02:29.15 | zeptis | hello all; I know I'm going to get "not the Debian way" as feedback on this idea, but is there any way to configure apt-get to build from source? |
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| 02:30.41 | KsM | zeptis: apt-get -b source <package> |
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| 02:30.54 | zeptis | thank you kindly KsM. |
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| 02:50.25 | anomaly | hardening debian was a good howto, but is there is a more up to date howto on securing debian that is more recent? |
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| 02:51.53 | khem__ | #git |
| 02:51.58 | khem__ | Sorry |
| 02:53.23 | allorder | anomaly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html (Version: 3.13, Sun, 08 Apr 2012 02:48:09 +0000) |
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| 03:00.34 | anomaly | allorder, I had not checked to see it was updated. thank you. |
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| 03:06.19 | jesselang | I'm having problems with evince crashing when trying to print on Wheezy. I can open the same document in GIMP and print fine. Anyone else seeing anything like that? |
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| 04:37.59 | LtL | box springs supply 'spring' evenly to the mattress |
| 04:38.14 | LtL | damn wrong chan baby |
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| 04:44.17 | Tree_Hugger | I <3 debian |
| 04:44.33 | Tree_Hugger | I like the wayyyyy you move. |
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| 04:45.16 | phix | Tree_Hugger: hai hai! |
| 04:45.26 | phix | LtL: lol |
| 04:46.44 | Tree_Hugger | oy |
| 04:46.45 | LtL | yeah, quite embarrassing eh phix, offtopic stuff actually |
| 04:47.33 | LtL | its really quiet so i don't think i'll be banned |
| 04:47.35 | Tree_Hugger | hey, I'm endoring debian. Hush up and lets start fixing debian problems. Let see, bug bug bug bug. Oh noes... Oh wait, bug IS a feature! |
| 04:47.42 | Tree_Hugger | endorsing* |
| 04:49.16 | Armand | O_o |
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| 04:49.31 | squallcomm | Hello, huge problem here. |
| 04:50.52 | LtL | squallcomm: which is ..? |
| 04:51.34 | squallcomm | [29032.024662] EXT4-fs error (device dm-2): ext4_remount:4414: Abort forced by user |
| 04:51.37 | squallcomm | [29032.024926] EXT4-fs (dm-2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1 |
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| 04:51.53 | squallcomm | my (encrypted) root fs is now in ro |
| 04:52.42 | squallcomm | Can't do much at all now |
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| 04:53.21 | squallcomm | any advice ltl? |
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| 04:53.54 | LtL | squallcomm: i know not ext4, nor disk encryption sorry man, someone might |
| 04:54.02 | squallcomm | great im fucked |
| 04:54.30 | squallcomm | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/mapper/lvm1-logroot_crypt read-write, is write-protected |
| 04:54.46 | LtL | squallcomm: not necessarily, google it |
| 04:55.38 | squallcomm | I can't |
| 04:56.14 | LtL | squallcomm: no X? |
| 04:56.59 | squallcomm | no firefox or opera |
| 04:57.17 | squallcomm | trying lynx i guess |
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| 04:59.41 | squallcomm | not so much luck |
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| 05:00.21 | LtL | squallcomm: links or links2 is better iirc |
| 05:01.33 | squallcomm | gonna have to try fsck |
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| 05:01.47 | squallcomm | not sure if i have a disk or how to even do that with an encrypted fs |
| 05:01.56 | squallcomm | great first windows crashes now the other half |
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| 05:04.37 | squallcomm | Free inodes count wrong for group #193 (2842, counted=2847). |
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| 05:06.50 | cobra-the-joker | sorry .. when is wheezy going to be released ? |
| 05:07.05 | squallcomm | i think i found a typo too |
| 05:07.17 | squallcomm | Unable to mount 'volume' |
| 05:07.26 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: nobody knows, next year is a good guess. |
| 05:07.27 | squallcomm | Error creating moint point: Read-only file system |
| 05:07.35 | cobra-the-joker | LtL: ok |
| 05:07.45 | squallcomm | someone misspelt mount |
| 05:08.09 | squallcomm | whats the number for the grammar police |
| 05:08.23 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: im gonna install it shortly, its usable |
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| 05:08.57 | cobra-the-joker | LtL: yes ... it's probably more stable than other distros hehe |
| 05:09.04 | LtL | lotsa ppl running wheezy now, i believe its frozen |
| 05:09.11 | cobra-the-joker | yes it is |
| 05:09.13 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: yo may be right |
| 05:09.24 | cobra-the-joker | so they are stabilizing things now ? |
| 05:10.02 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: i really don't know |
| 05:10.12 | cobra-the-joker | aha fine , thanx for the info |
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| 05:10.25 | LtL | sure |
| 05:11.04 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: i just d/l a beta-2 wheezy iiso today, fyi |
| 05:11.19 | cobra-the-joker | cool |
| 05:11.41 | cobra-the-joker | i am still stuck with squeeze for my workstation |
| 05:11.46 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: just need to get time to install it, but beta2 bodes well |
| 05:12.56 | LtL | long story i accidentally trashed my main squeeze box last night thx to ipv6 repos |
| 05:13.18 | LtL | that sucked. |
| 05:13.59 | LtL | hence the wheezy iso. |
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| 05:15.03 | LtL | no sense waiting now, easier to upgrade fresh than fix 50 plus missing packages on squeeze |
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| 05:19.44 | cobra-the-joker | LtL: 50 missing packages because they are old ? |
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| 05:21.05 | LtL | cobra-the-joker: i was doing an upgrade, aptitude removed over 50 then couldnt get a connection so it failed to download a ton of stuff |
| 05:21.34 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 05:21.48 | LtL | ipv6 mirrors were screwing up all week for me, today they were fine |
| 05:22.58 | LtL | ive used debian since about 2001, never had that happen |
| 05:23.29 | cobra-the-joker | nice |
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| 05:25.45 | LtL | squeeze is still fine for a desktop..with a couple backported things |
| 05:25.59 | LtL | its tight |
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| 05:26.34 | cobra-the-joker | it is |
| 05:26.42 | cobra-the-joker | i don't even use backports :> |
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| 05:28.04 | cobra-the-joker | i use 3rd party packages for critical software though .... like netbeans and monodevelop |
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| 05:39.41 | SiDz | Setting up selinux-policy-default (2:2.20110726-11) ... |
| 05:39.41 | SiDz | You already have a default policy installed. |
| 05:39.41 | SiDz | I am leaving it alone. Please check and update manually. |
| 05:39.48 | SiDz | how do i update manually? |
| 05:41.11 | bolt | SiDz: I would assume the manual says how |
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| 05:43.52 | average_drifter | hello ? |
| 05:43.59 | average_drifter | this is not a debian specific question |
| 05:44.02 | average_drifter | it's more.. general |
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| 05:44.12 | average_drifter | but I know you guys are really smart so I'm asking it her |
| 05:44.15 | average_drifter | *here |
| 05:44.25 | average_drifter | so I'd like to make a symlink, but a more "general" symlink |
| 05:44.34 | average_drifter | I'd like it to point to ~/ wherever that may be |
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| 05:44.38 | average_drifter | anyway of doing that ? |
| 05:44.53 | jeep | average_drifter: ln -s ~/ new-name |
| 05:45.30 | SiDz | well that was easy, should have asked |
| 05:45.30 | SiDz | ;p |
| 05:45.32 | LtL | average_drifter: theres only soft or hard links, what do you want to link to what |
| 05:45.48 | jeep | ~/ is /home/username |
| 05:45.48 | apt | ...but / is already something else... |
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| 05:46.42 | bolt | average_drifter: you can make a symlink to wherever your home directory is at the moment, but you can't make a symlink to your home directory, move your files to another user or computer and expect it to still work, if that's what you mean |
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| 05:58.44 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I enable the "printer" in "system settings"? It's dimmed, like disabled, and I can't add any printer in the network. |
| 05:59.42 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: is cups installed? |
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| 06:00.06 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, Yes, and it's already running |
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| 06:01.06 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: no idea then, sorry |
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| 06:01.37 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: you configured it right? |
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| 06:02.15 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: there is a web-based configuration interface built-in that you have to add printers in first before anything else will see them (as far as i know) |
| 06:02.27 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: but if that isn't your problem then i really don't know |
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| 06:02.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, My co-workers have Printer enable with no problems in Wheezy, but for me, sid, it's disable; I don't know if it would be because of sid. |
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| 06:04.01 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: try it with wheezy and then you will know. |
| 06:04.11 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: also you could check the bug tracker |
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| 06:04.55 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, hmm... I'm afraid I have never worked with bug tracker, reporting a bug, so on... :( |
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| 06:06.35 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Mohsen_Hassani about bts |
| 06:07.08 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, thanks! |
| 06:07.16 | gnarface | no problem Mohsen_Hassani, good luck |
| 06:11.05 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, So far I have learned that for finding a solution to my problem, I have to check, http://bugs.debian.org/cups; I wanted to make sure if I have to look in /cups and not gdm? |
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| 06:11.33 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, I mean, how should I know if my problem is with cups or with gdm? |
| 06:12.13 | bretolius | in the format/partitiion screen for the debian installer, what does F, f and K mean next to the FS type? |
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| 06:13.46 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: well it should fairly obviously NOT be a problem with gdm. but it MIGHT be a problem with your window manager or the tool you are using as a configuration panel |
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| 06:14.14 | gnarface | Mohsen_Hassani: i can't really determine that for you, you'll have to figure it out yourself |
| 06:14.28 | Mohsen_Hassani | gnarface, I will! :) |
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| 06:46.12 | rainfyre | hi everyone. I'm running Debian off of a flash drive and have very limited space. I'm wondering if it is possible to delete old logs, aptitude caches or things of that nature to save a few megs here and there |
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| 06:49.53 | nvz | rainfyre: yes thats very possible.. we even have the rm command. |
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| 06:51.15 | ansgar | rainfyre: Only unfriendly people crosspost questions. |
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| 06:51.32 | rainfyre | ansgar: I beg to differ |
| 06:51.39 | rainfyre | ansgar: and it's irrelevant |
| 06:52.03 | rainfyre | nvz: well yes we do. How do I do it? |
| 06:52.55 | nvz | apt-get clean |
| 06:53.05 | rainfyre | nvz: thank you very much |
| 06:53.10 | ansgar | !tell rainfyre about crosspost |
| 06:53.41 | rainfyre | oh ettiquite |
| 06:53.45 | nkuttler | rainfyre: and also logrotate |
| 06:54.03 | rainfyre | nkuttler: thank you, I'm conpletely unfamiliar with that |
| 06:54.03 | ansgar | rainfyre: Yes, such a thing also exists on the internet. |
| 06:54.14 | rainfyre | ansgar: what such thing? |
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| 06:54.51 | rainfyre | ansgar: are you trying to make the point that it's impolite to waste other people's time? |
| 06:55.01 | rainfyre | ansgar: I'm not here for lessons in manners, thank you |
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| 06:55.40 | ansgar | rainfyre: It wouldn't hurt however. |
| 06:56.21 | rainfyre | nvz: thank you, that freed up over 1.3 gigs of space! |
| 06:56.35 | rainfyre | ansgar: you're right. :) |
| 06:56.55 | rainfyre | ansgar: feel free to correct me anytime :) |
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| 07:08.11 | spaceninja | When I did a "Mark for complete removal" on xchat I also wanted xchat-common to be removed as well, why didn't it get removed? |
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| 07:11.07 | nvz | spaceninja: because its not marked for uninstall its marked auto installed |
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| 07:12.08 | nvz | spaceninja: purge or complete remove just means config files as well..you have to use apt-get autoremove or aptitude to get rid of auto installed deps as well |
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| 07:19.40 | spaceninja | nvz: ok thx |
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| 07:21.39 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
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| 07:41.45 | zeptis | hello all, I have an interesting idea: how would I use the head pipe with 'apt-cache dump' so that only package names would be the output? |
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| 07:44.18 | nvz | zeptis: grep Package | cut -d " " -f 2 |
| 07:44.36 | nvz | zeptis: apt-cache dump | grep Package: | cut -d " " -f 2 |
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| 07:45.18 | zeptis | it seems so bloody obvious when you do it, nvz. |
| 07:45.21 | zeptis | Many thanks. |
| 07:45.46 | nvz | zeptis: yes well grep, cut, and tr are much easier to learn than sed, awk, perl and such |
| 07:46.05 | epsilon | grep, sed, cut & co are basic tool if you process "strings" in bash, better learn it |
| 07:46.20 | tyrmored | tyrmored likes this. |
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| 07:46.40 | nvz | this is freenode not facebook :-p |
| 07:46.49 | epsilon | +1 |
| 07:46.55 | zeptis | there needs to be some sort of shell-script noob-schoolbus |
| 07:47.21 | epsilon | google for: advanced bash howto |
| 07:47.26 | nvz | like greg's bash wiki |
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| 07:47.59 | nvz | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ |
| 07:48.07 | epsilon | zeptis: you dont need to understand all, but basic stuff like above, then variables and loops. always nice to know them |
| 07:48.33 | zeptis | thank you everyone |
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| 07:50.02 | nvz | its real easy to do in perl or python.. python probably has less of a learning curve |
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| 08:01.01 | GeorgeJetson | after `apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi` are any further steps necessary to enable mod_wsgi on apache on debian/testing? |
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| 08:01.08 | jenstmar_ | Hello |
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| 08:02.25 | jenstmar_ | So I got this problem with SSH in Debian 6, where I need to disable access to SSH on an public IP. The whole problem is listed here: http://bit.ly/RQHWol |
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| 08:16.32 | KamZou | Hi, since which debian version the starting sector is 2048 instead of 63 please ? |
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| 08:29.11 | squallcomm | Sup guys |
| 08:29.33 | squallcomm | So I don't have a cable to reach to my modem. I'd like to connect my winbox through my debian laptop via ethernet |
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| 08:29.56 | squallcomm | the modem is 10.0.0.1 and the laptop wlan0 is 10.0.0.5, eth0 on the laptop is set to 10.0.0.254 |
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| 08:30.34 | squallcomm | and the win pc is set to 10.0.0.253 with a gw of 10.0.0.1 |
| 08:30.39 | squallcomm | i did masquerade |
| 08:30.42 | squallcomm | what am i doing wrong |
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| 08:31.06 | jesselang | squallcomm, the gateway need to be set to .254. |
| 08:31.24 | jesselang | The laptop needs to have ip forwarding enabled. |
| 08:31.29 | squallcomm | i did |
| 08:31.33 | squallcomm | right the gw |
| 08:31.35 | squallcomm | forgot |
| 08:31.38 | jesselang | And if you MASQ, then you should be OK. |
| 08:32.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell KamZou about 4kb |
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| 08:33.48 | KamZou | jelly-home, dpkg ?? |
| 08:34.08 | jelly-home | KamZou: you ought to have gotten a private message from the bot |
| 08:34.26 | jelly-home | it has one extra link |
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| 08:35.19 | Eagleman | Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. How do i set up a partition on a 3 TB disk with GPT? |
| 08:35.24 | stefanv | Hi, everyone. Is this the right place to ask packaging related questions? |
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| 08:36.31 | squallcomm | thesubnet mask guys? |
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| 08:37.14 | GeorgeJetson | When I start up my debian/testing apache2 server, I get the message "[error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results" |
| 08:37.31 | GeorgeJetson | oh wrong chan |
| 08:37.48 | squallcomm | looks like it had to be on a diff ip range |
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| 08:39.05 | squallcomm | ok |
| 08:39.11 | squallcomm | something is wrong with the masquerading i think |
| 08:39.14 | squallcomm | but i can ping the laptop |
| 08:39.34 | bretolius | this is comeplely slipping me by. How can I install gnome-disk-utility 3.0.2-3 on debian stable? |
| 08:39.48 | bretolius | im very new to debian, sorry |
| 08:39.55 | berzerka | hi guys. any plans to incorporate package managers of non-rpm distros into debian? i specifically think of pacman (arch) and portage (gentoo). |
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| 08:42.01 | Dewi | berzerka: I'm sure there are tools to do that, but supporting them properly would be impossible |
| 08:42.46 | Dewi | (because the packages would adhere to other distro policies instead of debian's) |
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| 08:43.39 | Sevet | ,v gnome-disk-utility |
| 08:43.40 | judd | Package: gnome-disk-utility on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-2; sid: 3.0.2-3; wheezy: 3.0.2-3 |
| 08:43.49 | Nurbs | Is aptitude somewhat lacking wrt to multiarch? |
| 08:44.11 | Dewi | this is a bit off-topic, but does anyone know of a tool that can shrink a partition *table*? |
| 08:44.17 | Sevet | bretolius: you can't - it hasn't been backported - either use 2.30.1 on stable or move to testing (but since you're new to debian i'd suggest against that) |
| 08:44.38 | grawity | Noob question. How can I install slapd *without* having it automatically configured and started? (I have a tarball of /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ from another identical system.) |
| 08:44.43 | bretolius | what about compiling from source? |
| 08:44.50 | Dewi | Or grow for that matter. Just something to help copy disk images between slightly different geometries |
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| 08:45.25 | Sevet | bretolius: there're big differences between gnome2 in squeeze and gnome3 in wheezy |
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| 08:45.34 | Sevet | i suspect it's not usable without moving to gnome3 entirely |
| 08:45.45 | grawity | Dewi: I don't think the geometry info in MBR is actually used anywhere? |
| 08:45.46 | Sevet | !tell berzerka about alien |
| 08:45.52 | bretolius | eek |
| 08:45.53 | bretolius | ok |
| 08:45.54 | bretolius | ty |
| 08:46.04 | Sevet | berzerka: something like that perhaps. i don't think it'd be possible to use the foreign repos directly |
| 08:46.12 | berzerka | Dewi: i do not want them to manage packages on a debian system. BUT if the tools where available in the repos, it would make debian-based live distros MUCH more usable for rescuing the respective systems. |
| 08:46.25 | Dewi | grawity: you mean like as long as no partition extends beyond the LBA end of disk it'll be oay? |
| 08:46.28 | Dewi | okay |
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| 08:46.52 | Sevet | berzerka: you could chroot into the target system from the live cd, then you'd be using its own package manager |
| 08:47.17 | bretolius | another question that has been elluding me. I know its like comparing apples and oranges to some degree, but is it possible to enable sudod users to use their user password on GUI applications, like software update, etc? |
| 08:47.22 | bretolius | when gnome prompts for a password |
| 08:47.25 | berzerka | Sevet, of course, but not if the system is really bricked! (like wrong glibc versions installed or the like) |
| 08:47.30 | Eagleman | Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. How do i set up a partition on a 3 TB disk with GPT? |
| 08:47.48 | Dewi | bretolius: ubuntu does that with gksudo iirc, not sure how to integrate it nicely into debian tho |
| 08:47.48 | Nurbs | When trying "aptitude purge libc6:i386" or "aptitude install libc6:i386_ lzma" it wants to remove my lzma:amd64 without real explanation. It's rem,oving liblzma:i386 and others, but no dependencies of lzma:amd64. Is aptitude broken? apt-get works fine with just apt-get purge libc6:i386 |
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| 08:48.24 | Sevet | eagleman: partition in sector units, first partition starting at sector 2048 |
| 08:48.28 | Dewi | bretolius: also my knowledge on that might be way out of date |
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| 08:49.04 | grawity | Dewi: I think Ubuntu uses policykit for that |
| 08:49.06 | Sevet | dewi: display the old partition table in sector mode, shrink the filesystem, then delete and recreate the partition (not when running!) - recreate partition with new size starting at exactly the same position as the previous |
| 08:49.14 | berzerka | Sevet, i just had to rescue a completely messed up arch system (which was my fault) and using grml (deb-based live distro) it seemed tedious to get the pacman software since i had to build it and all deps not in debian. using an arch linux live cd, it was a matter of minutes. |
| 08:49.16 | Sevet | dewi: but backup everything first |
| 08:49.23 | Eagleman | Sevet that would be from 1 to -1? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:GUID_Partition_Table_Scheme.svg&page=1 |
| 08:49.29 | bretolius | thanks Dewi, coming from OS X and ubuntu, the root user is a bit foreign to me |
| 08:49.41 | Sevet | berzerka: chroot into the target and you'd be able to run the target's own package manager |
| 08:49.45 | grawity | Dewi: I'm not 100% sure right now, but I seem to remember that 1) the "geometry" of modern disks is not exposed to the system; 2) the MBR doesn't actually have geometry fields large enough to fit modern disks so it'll just have 1023*254*63 or similar |
| 08:49.53 | bretolius | it feels naughty every time i invoke it.... i much prefer going at things via sudo |
| 08:50.08 | Sevet | bretolius: see gksudo |
| 08:50.11 | berzerka | Sevet, not true. pacman failed with wrong libc version IN the target system. |
| 08:50.49 | berzerka | Sevet, so i had to run a pacman instance on an external system with the --root set to the damaged system's root to get _the package manager_ running again. |
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| 08:51.17 | Sevet | grawity: just had problems rebuilding a raid array going from 512byte sectors to 4k sectors - it can still have an effect |
| 08:51.41 | berzerka | Sevet, and since i had things like that occur many times, also with rpm based distros as well as gentoo, i think it would be great for that matter to have the foreign package managers in debians repos. |
| 08:51.48 | Dewi | Sevet / grawity : thanks. sounds like it should work okay |
| 08:51.58 | bretolius | Sevet: I played with gksudo a bit, but its a bit of a round about compared to just being able to use your sudoed password when asked for it |
| 08:52.08 | Sevet | grawity/dewi: i had to move from starting the partition at sector 63 on the old disk to starting at 2048 to get rid of the alignment warning |
| 08:52.12 | grawity | bretolius: about the sudo thing: from what I remember in Unity and GNOME3, most "administration" programs run under your own account, but call a privileged DBus service and use Polkit for authorization |
| 08:52.35 | Sevet | grawity/dewi: (probably partitioned the old disks in fdisk's dos-compatible mode, use fdisk -cu now) |
| 08:52.45 | Dewi | Sevet: yeah I've had that happen a few times, but it's getting steadily rarer for disks to differ that way |
| 08:53.06 | Nurbs | Are there any docs on how aptitude and apt-get resolve depencies and what the differences between their algorithms are? |
| 08:53.07 | Sevet | true - next time a drive fails everything'll already be on the new alignments |
| 08:53.19 | Eagleman | Sevet that would be from 1 to -1? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:GUID_Partition_Table_Scheme.svg&page=1 |
| 08:53.41 | squallcomm | jesselang: |
| 08:53.55 | squallcomm | i can ping the modem now through the laptop as the gateway |
| 08:54.02 | squallcomm | but i cant ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 08:54.08 | Dewi | Sevet / grawity : and yes I'm just talking about plain old 512 byte sectors and MBR partition table |
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| 08:54.39 | Sevet | dewi: i had extra headaches for me because to get it bootable i had to also switch from 0.90 to 1.2 mdadm superblocks which are at the start not end of the partition, so i had to create a new md array and dd to it from the old one (with 0.90 grub wouldn't boot because sda and sda1 had the same superblock) |
| 08:54.44 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 08:54.45 | lancelot_of | i'm compiling the new 3.6.1 on my debian testing.Which option should i choose in kernel "Processor type and features" for my Intel Core i5 2520M: Core2/New Xeon or Generic x86_64? |
| 08:54.55 | Sevet | again that's not going to be a problem next time round :) |
| 08:54.56 | grawity | bretolius: and the password prompts are mostly displayed by polkit-authorization-agent on program request |
| 08:55.18 | Dewi | squallcomm: that is a great nick. Until you run out of telecommunications questions anyway |
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| 08:55.36 | squallcomm | hahah i thought so too |
| 08:55.36 | squallcomm | thanks |
| 08:55.53 | squallcomm | i worked for an isp once |
| 08:55.57 | bretolius | grawity: is that usable with debian? |
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| 08:56.04 | Dewi | squallcomm: have you had the nick for a while then? |
| 08:56.06 | squallcomm | they caught me leeching torrents using their dual ds3's |
| 08:56.10 | squallcomm | na |
| 08:56.11 | grawity | bretolius: sure, why not |
| 08:56.13 | squallcomm | just for this session |
| 08:56.26 | grawity | bretolius: try `pkexec sh` to run a privileged shell via polkit |
| 08:56.31 | Dewi | squallcomm: oh dear. that's a great way to get fired |
| 08:56.50 | grawity | bretolius: that's not the normal way of using polkit, but at least you'll see if it works. |
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| 08:57.05 | squallcomm | actually |
| 08:57.09 | squallcomm | i think it was dual oc3 |
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| 08:57.31 | squallcomm | avg cost |
| 08:57.35 | squallcomm | 20k-45k /mo |
| 08:57.46 | bretolius | thanks grawity, that worked in an abstract way :) I just need to figure out if i can get it working system wide |
| 08:58.04 | grawity | bretolius: for which specific programs? |
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| 08:59.07 | bretolius | grawity: its just that my root password is a long random string and its been a pain to type it in so frequently... just trying to get the lay of the land so to speak. see what my options are |
| 08:59.15 | squallcomm | dude |
| 08:59.18 | squallcomm | use a passphrase |
| 08:59.24 | squallcomm | i use em with multiple punctuation |
| 08:59.40 | grawity | bretolius: when are you asked for it? |
| 08:59.43 | squallcomm | something random like |
| 08:59.47 | bretolius | like when updating software |
| 08:59.50 | squallcomm | What happened to all the cheese!?! |
| 08:59.52 | grawity | bretolius: so a GUI prompt? |
| 08:59.58 | bretolius | yes |
| 09:00.13 | grawity | bretolius: does it look like the one from pkexec, or the one from gksu? |
| 09:00.14 | bretolius | any time a gui needs root |
| 09:00.25 | bretolius | o.0 |
| 09:00.27 | bretolius | umm |
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| 09:01.01 | bretolius | screen greys out, asks for administrative password |
| 09:01.03 | bretolius | ] |
| 09:01.07 | grawity | I'm guessing the programs use polkit, but find out anyway, 'cause "any time a gui needs root" doesn't tell me much |
| 09:01.16 | bretolius | you can actually save your root password into your keychain |
| 09:01.29 | bretolius | which.... eh seems kind of weird |
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| 09:01.31 | grawity | sigh. |
| 09:01.37 | grawity | so it's a gksu prompt then? |
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| 09:01.42 | berzerka | lancelot_of, are you running on the system? |
| 09:01.48 | bretolius | sorry grawity im very new to all of this |
| 09:02.00 | lancelot_of | berzerka, i am |
| 09:02.05 | squallcomm | awshit |
| 09:02.11 | squallcomm | <3 wine + CLI |
| 09:02.16 | squallcomm | real red wine |
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| 09:02.26 | berzerka | lancelot_of, what does processor family in /proc/cpuinfo say? |
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| 09:03.02 | lancelot_of | berzerka, 6 |
| 09:03.13 | squallcomm | ok i need help |
| 09:03.14 | Sevet | bretolius: http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 09:03.15 | grawity | bretolius: you coan compare the prompt displayed by pkexec, and the prompt displayed by gksu (they look very different), and tell me which one normally shows up |
| 09:03.26 | Sevet | passphrases can be better than a random string :) |
| 09:03.27 | squallcomm | i can ping the modem 10.0.0.1 from the pc via an ethernet to the laptop |
| 09:03.31 | grawity | bretolius: but anyway, I'm guessing it's gksu |
| 09:03.32 | squallcomm | but i cant access it via http |
| 09:03.37 | squallcomm | and i can't ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 09:03.43 | squallcomm | out to the web |
| 09:04.06 | squallcomm | i think i input the iptables commands backwards due to an incorrect tut and tried iptables -F |
| 09:04.07 | bretolius | grawity: i guess im not understanding what you are asking for. The example case I was referring to was when you launch the Update manager from the administration menu after a fresh install of debian |
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| 09:04.35 | squallcomm | should i kill openvpn |
| 09:05.17 | bretolius | ok i see what you were asking now |
| 09:05.31 | bretolius | grawity: the system seems to be using gksu |
| 09:05.34 | frikinz | Hi. I have done a mdadm raid1 and I literally, unplugged replugged one disk (they're external). Not surprisingly, as I didn't create a persistent udev rule, the disk got another name. |
| 09:05.42 | grawity | bretolius: so if it's gksu, try setting it to "gksudo" mode |
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| 09:05.48 | berzerka | lancelot_of, not 100% sure (yet) but you should be able to pick Core2/Newer Xeon |
| 09:05.49 | squallcomm | seriously need help here |
| 09:05.49 | bretolius | ok |
| 09:05.55 | grawity | bretolius: gconftool-2 --set /apps/gksu/sudo-mode --type bool true |
| 09:06.10 | frikinz | Didn't read too deeply the doc of mdadm yet so I did a mdadm -a /dev/sdc .. etc.. after 3 replugs, I checked mdadm -D and it tells me I have a raid1 with 5 members :) |
| 09:06.23 | frikinz | Isn't mdadm linking to UUIDs ? |
| 09:06.42 | grawity | bretolius: (or do it via gconf-editor, if you prefer) |
| 09:06.42 | lancelot_of | berzerka, thank you, how to check for sure? |
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| 09:06.55 | bretolius | wow grawity that is exactly how I want it to behave |
| 09:07.01 | bretolius | thanks so much :) |
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| 09:07.32 | berzerka | lancelot_of, well i am on my way of finding out where the exact differences in required processor feature is regarding the kernel config, and wether i5 2xxxM supports them all... |
| 09:07.39 | grawity | bretolius: polkit uses a different method -- it has a list of "admin" users and groups |
| 09:07.40 | bretolius | Sevet: thanks for the comic... i do use a passphrase for passwords I remember |
| 09:07.44 | qubits | pls? |
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| 09:08.42 | bretolius | Sevet: but I prefer to use a keychain manager like keepass and use unique random passwords for most places... but Im guessing that maybe root shouldnt be one of those |
| 09:08.53 | berzerka | lancelot_of, what does model name say? |
| 09:09.37 | bretolius | grawity: im not necessarily set on using any particular method... just so that I dont have to invoke the use of the root password that often |
| 09:09.54 | bretolius | This should work just fine for day to day use |
| 09:09.59 | grawity | bretolius: the method is chosen by the program, not by you |
| 09:10.08 | lancelot_of | berzerka, Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz |
| 09:10.17 | bretolius | err... thats what I mean |
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| 09:10.34 | grawity | bretolius: if the program used polkit, you would have to add yourself to one of the "admin" groups to achieve the sudo-like prompt; in Arch the default group is "wheel", not sure about Debian |
| 09:10.35 | frikinz | random keys are fine but if not passed through base64, if your random contains a 0x0A or 0x00, the password could be truncated.. at worse to 1 char :) |
| 09:10.36 | berzerka | lancelot_of, mobile system, right? |
| 09:11.02 | lancelot_of | berzerka, lenovo thinkpad x220 laptop |
| 09:11.12 | grawity | bretolius: (you can check polkit's configuration at /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d) |
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| 09:11.51 | bretolius | grawity: ill check it out |
| 09:12.19 | grawity | bretolius: tbh, I don't see much point in having a strong root password, if your own password is much weaker |
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| 09:13.02 | bretolius | its not nessiarily that much weaker, just that I can remember it |
| 09:13.07 | grawity | if somebody cracked your own password remotely (via ssh or something), they could just `sudo` with the same password |
| 09:13.54 | bretolius | hrrm |
| 09:14.16 | grawity | So my question was... how can I tell apt-get (or dpkg, for that matter) to skip debconf stuff for a certain package? I want to install slapd without dpkg automatically starting it with a new database. |
| 09:14.39 | kroyeren | grawity, That's a sudo setup flaw then... |
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| 09:16.05 | lancelot_of | berzerka, ? |
| 09:17.02 | berzerka | lancelot_of, ok i think the kernel config help sufficiently states this. it says newer xeons are identified by cpu family 6, so you should be fine with the "core2 / newer xeon" option. |
| 09:17.32 | lancelot_of | berzerka, thank you very much |
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| 09:17.41 | bretolius | I usually dont allow SSH connections via a password, only public/private key authentication... not sure if that improves the situation much |
| 09:17.47 | lancelot_of | have you all a nice day |
| 09:17.52 | berzerka | lancelot_of, '?' is exactly what you should have pressed while configuring to find that out for yourself ;) |
| 09:18.19 | bretolius | either way, grawity you have been really helpfull :) thank you! |
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| 09:19.15 | lancelot_of | berzerka, yes sorry, it was not an annoying hit.just to be sure you were still there...sorry again |
| 09:19.41 | berzerka | lancelot_of, really helps a lot with most kernel options. no need to feel sorry just trying to help improve. have a good day too! |
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| 09:32.42 | intore | hi, i'm trying to resolve a little thing on my laptop with squeeze installed. Once started, at login screen the pc emits a strange and bad sound like a "quack". Searching on System->Preferences there isn't "Sound preferences". Do you have any idea to resolve it? |
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| 09:39.38 | qubits | so why the fuck does flash take up 99% cpu |
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| 09:39.50 | qubits | on a quad core 2.5 proc |
| 09:39.51 | qubits | with 4gb of ram |
| 09:39.54 | qubits | ??? |
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| 09:40.16 | nkuttler | qubits: because it sucks |
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| 09:43.09 | bretolius | I think I have this LVM stuff set up right, but I can't fugure out which logical volume is on which logical disk... anyone know off hand how to see this? |
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| 09:44.04 | jelly | bretolius: "logical disk?" |
| 09:44.33 | jelly | bretolius: look at the output of these commands: lvs, vgs, pvs |
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| 09:45.04 | bretolius | i mean physical volume woops |
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| 09:45.55 | Guest9541 | could some guys introduce me usful newsgroups on linux pls? |
| 09:46.04 | Guest9541 | blist |
| 09:46.06 | grawity | comp.linux? |
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| 09:46.36 | Guest9541 | use gnus ,so how to log in |
| 09:46.42 | bretolius | jelly: so these show me the logical groups, the logical volumes, and the physical volumes, but nothing about which logical volume is stored on which physical volume... |
| 09:46.53 | bretolius | is there a way to check that? |
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| 09:47.12 | grawity | Guest9541: try http://aioe.org/ (public) or http://www.eternal-september.org/ (account) |
| 09:47.22 | grawity | Guest9541: personally, though, I consider Usenet dead |
| 09:47.35 | th1 | how can I refresh my /etc/profile on a multiple-times upgraded system to be consistent with latest distributed version? |
| 09:47.36 | qubits | good god it sucks |
| 09:47.54 | grawity | Guest9541: better read the mailing lists, you can use http://gmane.org/ for that |
| 09:48.08 | qubits | plz help with iptables |
| 09:48.08 | grawity | Guest9541: (nntp://news.gmane.org/) |
| 09:48.22 | qubits | why cant i ping paste the modem |
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| 09:49.37 | jelly | bretolius: probably, but I don't know of one other than looking at vgcfgbackup results. Ask in #lvm channel |
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| 09:49.58 | bretolius | ok |
| 09:51.44 | qubits | seriously help pls |
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| 09:53.33 | niels1 | bretolius, yes, use the -m option to pvdisplay and lvdisplay, respectively. i.e. "pvdisplay -m" and "lvdisplay -m" |
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| 09:54.02 | qubits | help pls |
| 09:54.11 | bretolius | thanks niels1 |
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| 09:56.41 | bretolius | wow, |
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| 09:56.56 | bretolius | lvdisplay -m where have you been all my life |
| 09:57.11 | th1 | does anyone know which package /etc/profile belongs to? dpkg -S /etc/profile comes up blank |
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| 09:57.20 | th1 | I want to update my /etc/profile because it is borked |
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| 09:58.34 | petemc | th1: check /usr/share/base-files/profile |
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| 10:00.30 | th1 | petemc, thanks, that's got it |
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| 10:02.53 | bretolius | anyone here running debian testing? |
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| 10:09.02 | bolt | bretolius: don't do polls please. there are 1168 clients in here. of course someone is running testing. just ask your question |
| 10:09.29 | bolt | appends a smiley face to avoid sounding harsh: :) |
| 10:10.25 | bretolius | you are right, where are my manners ;) i wanted to hear from someone who ran debian testing to see how viable (aka how much of a pain in the neck) it is to run as your daily os |
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| 10:12.12 | kzar | I need a 64bit libX11.so.6 to link in when compiling something, one I've got in /usr/lib/ is 32bit though. Any ideas? |
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| 10:27.20 | geek` | test firstly |
| 10:28.15 | geek` | it there "mail"command under /usr/bin in debian6.0? |
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| 10:30.34 | themill | geek`: there is if you install one of the packages that provides that |
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| 10:32.54 | oskie | geek`: yes, if you install mailx or another package |
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| 10:40.26 | Eagleman | How do i partition a 3 TB disk to use 99% of the space using GPT and parted without giving me this error in fdisk -l Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. |
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| 10:46.27 | oskie | Eagleman: does fdisk even support GPT? |
| 10:47.22 | oskie | Eagleman: I mean, why do you want to use fdisk -l when you are using parted? |
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| 10:58.32 | frikinz | If I have a raid1 with 2 ext. harddisk setup, I unplug one and then replug. Does the fact that udev assigned a new name will create a problem? |
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| 10:59.00 | taylorbyte | i have been trying to get my bind to send its logs to a separate file and limit the size of them but haven't had any success. my named.conf.local looks like > http://p.linode.com/7110 or even if i could disable all bind logs from going to syslog ?? |
| 10:59.01 | frikinz | I don't have the hw with me so I can't try. |
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| 11:00.42 | taylorbyte | frikinz: i think mdadm uses uuids so it shouldn't matter what name the drive has, but unplugging it would break the array |
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| 11:02.41 | frikinz | taylorbyte: so when repluged, what should I do? I did an mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sdc (was previously sdb) and now it thinks the raid has 3 disks and didn't even recognized sdc. Or was -a a bad idea? |
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| 11:04.04 | frikinz | maybe --re-add was better. |
| 11:04.06 | grawity | Eagleman: 1) use gdisk; 2) when it asks you for "first sector", answer 2048 or 1024, NOT 63 |
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| 11:06.14 | oskie | frikinz: if you have configured your array as ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 UUID=something then it should work automatically |
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| 11:07.35 | frikinz | oskie: yes, that was the output of rescan which I injected in mdadm.conf . I also expected what you said but looking at /proc/mdstat was still one declared missing. |
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| 11:07.48 | lcanas | hey guys, according to the http://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard where should I put the source code (PHP) of a a LAMP application? should it be /usr/local/src/myapplication ? |
| 11:07.58 | taylorbyte | frikinz: i was checkin my old notes on when i had raid and i believe you have to set the drive as faulty then remove it with some commands then i ususally zero the drive and add it again heres some of my old notes http://p.linode.com/7111 |
| 11:08.08 | grawity | lcanas: I think it goes under either lib or share |
| 11:08.09 | oskie | frikinz: did you use -a/--add? and what was the result of that command? |
| 11:08.28 | grawity | lcanas: phpmyadmin seems to be under /usr/share, for example |
| 11:08.42 | frikinz | oskie: the command worked. after a few tries the md had 5 members :) |
| 11:08.57 | ansgar | I would prefer something below /srv over /usr/local. |
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| 11:09.05 | frikinz | taylorbyte: ok thanks. yeah I might create some rules in udev if needed |
| 11:09.06 | themill | lcanas: are you just serving it to one domain or to many? /srv/www/lcanas.com/html/ wouldn't be unusual. nor would /srv/lcanas.com/www/html |
| 11:09.07 | oskie | frikinz: it says in the docs for --add that if it was part of the array before, it will be re-added |
| 11:10.00 | lcanas | themill, one domain yes ... interesting |
| 11:10.04 | taylorbyte | frikinz: you might have 5 members of the array coz you haven't --set-faulty and --remove them |
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| 11:10.26 | themill | dpkg: tell lcanas about /srv |
| 11:10.45 | frikinz | taylorbyte: yes, I was maybe a bit optimistic with "everything will be automatic as long as the uuid is recognized" :) |
| 11:11.06 | themill | lcanas: how you use /srv is entirely up to you. The FHS gives some pretty weird examples. |
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| 11:11.12 | frikinz | and I see https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hotplug , last line : to be finished: example of how the kernel assigns new drive letter to the same old disk we have just unplugged, because it considers the /dev/sda as seized |
| 11:11.38 | taylorbyte | frikinz: cool. i used to use raid but now i just have an ssd and rsync root to a hdd every night :) |
| 11:12.02 | lcanas | thank you guys! :D Yes, it is a mess ;) |
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| 11:12.34 | taylorbyte | does anyone know how to stop bind / named from loggin its stuff in syslog ? |
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| 11:12.43 | frikinz | taylorbyte: yes, rsync is more sane but less funny and.. wanted to finally try lvm/luks/raid with hot remove/add |
| 11:12.54 | themill | hmm... that debian wiki page on the FHS has some weird ideas |
| 11:13.46 | taylorbyte | frikinz: i have been meaning to try luks but only on storage drives, havent gotten around to it. booting is the scary part for me |
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| 11:14.44 | oskie | frikinz: you may receive more detailed info with mdadm --detail /dev/mdX rather than /proc/mdstat |
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| 11:16.36 | frikinz | oskie: yeah I did that also but I stopped when I saw all these members. Will take some time to read more in detail when I'm next to the machine. |
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| 11:17.47 | frikinz | taylorbyte: I won't play with device-mapper on a partition needed for boot, not enough time for this. appart from this hot re/plug, all went fine. pretty straightforward |
| 11:19.15 | ribe | anyone knows why apt-get update is taking so long? |
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| 11:20.00 | themill | ribe: you're the one with the screen in front of you... |
| 11:20.15 | ribe | themill, yes |
| 11:20.37 | themill | so in the absence of either more information or better ESP for us, what do you want us to say? |
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| 11:21.39 | frikinz | although I was unsure about where to setup the LVM partition Id as /dev/mapper/luks on top of /dev/md0 creates a "disk". as far as I have seen. so I did my pvcreate on top of this "disk", without a partition. |
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| 11:22.23 | Feadurn | hello everyone |
| 11:22.35 | ribe | ok, I'm running a 64 bit version of testing with the Gnome desktop, lately whe I run apt-get update it takes at lesat five minutes and goes thru about 400 lines, it never did that before, anyone knows why? |
| 11:23.00 | themill | ribe: can you pastebin that output please? -> paste.debian.net |
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| 11:23.51 | ribe | ok themill but it will take at lesat 5 minutes to get that readout....give me a few |
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| 11:25.13 | frikinz | ribe: it also depends on how many entries you have in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* . Some annoying software adds files in sources.list.d |
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| 11:26.57 | themill | could also be translations or pdiffs or a bad networking setup or ... |
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| 11:27.26 | ribe | it post it in just a few minutes.... |
| 11:27.39 | frikinz | yes. I had once to remove fetching of translations, when I was often updating while the repository was being updated. it often failed on this. |
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| 11:28.33 | frikinz | ribe: all the rest is fine? network wise and machine responsivness? |
| 11:29.29 | ribe | yes, almost everything else is fine, it is doing it on two separate machines a laptop and a desktop running 64 bit testing with Gnome |
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| 11:30.18 | ribe | another issue I am having, and it is separate I can't get Gnome to display raw photoi images on the desktop |
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| 11:32.02 | frikinz | taylorbyte: these are my notes. you probably won't learn anything, meant for beginners and is still in progres.. for the problem mentionned at least. http://teebeenator.blogspot.fr/2012/10/lvm2-raid-1-luks.html |
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| 11:34.32 | ribe | themill, I just posted it....(riberto) |
| 11:34.55 | ribe | it was so long some of it did not make the cut and paste |
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| 11:35.12 | themill | ribe: I'm guessing you don't speak all those languages. You might like to configure apt not to get all languages |
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| 11:35.41 | themill | !apt translation |
| 11:35.41 | dpkg | From wheezy onwards, the long description of the packages is moved out of the Packages files on the mirrors and placed instead in a Translation-en file in the same way as translated package descriptions are stored. To configure which languages to download, see Acquire::Languages in apt.conf(5). |
| 11:35.53 | ribe | you are right I only speak a couple of them.... hoe do I adjust that? |
| 11:35.59 | taylorbyte | frikinz: thanks ill bookmark that :) |
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| 11:37.25 | ribe | ok following dphg instructions |
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| 11:39.09 | Randomer | Hello. I am trying to set up a debian client in an already existing vlan... I can't get it to work whatever I do x.x | There are two vLANs, 8 and 14. The client is supposed to be in 14, but the DC's/DNS servers are in vLAN 8. I have no idea how to configure this properly... Could someone guide me? :) |
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| 11:50.45 | Randomer | maybe later I guess |
| 11:50.50 | Randomer | Got to go now. |
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| 11:53.35 | BalthaTczar | I have an urgent question ... Is there any Linux distro that won't completely fuck up if your computer happens to shutdown unexpectedly ?? First i installed Ubuntu that crap happened to me .. Now Debian, somehow i closed the lid on my laptop .. when i opened it up again nothing happened so i shut it down completely and switched it on again .. BHAM everything fucked up again .. not possible to boot, only stupid error messages .. |
| 11:54.05 | Lasse- | BalthaTczar: What kind of laptop you have |
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| 11:54.47 | Lasse- | Some laptops need additional work to make work like they should. |
| 11:54.49 | JimmyGulp | BalthaTczar: Depends on how much you expect stuff to work out of the box. Generally, if you shut the lid on a laptop, it should hibernate / sleep, though you may need to force that option. |
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| 11:55.28 | Lasse- | Thinkpads used to be ace on this matter |
| 11:55.29 | JimmyGulp | and can you define (with real, dictionary words) 'fucked up'? |
| 11:55.42 | Lasse- | but from what I understand, they're not that good either anymore |
| 11:55.50 | Lasse- | in terms of out-of-the-box experience |
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| 11:56.49 | BalthaTczar | Lasse-, Sony Vaio |
| 11:57.01 | Lasse- | BalthaTczar: What exact model |
| 11:57.12 | Lasse- | since different models can have vastly different hardware |
| 11:57.17 | Lasse- | -can |
| 11:57.22 | BalthaTczar | Lasse-, VGN-FZ11E |
| 11:57.53 | Lasse- | BalthaTczar: do you have a swap-partition? |
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| 12:03.14 | shicy | hello :) |
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| 12:03.22 | ribe | kj |
| 12:03.23 | shicy | i have one question |
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| 12:03.48 | shicy | which driver is good for ati radeon hd 3450? |
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| 12:04.42 | ribe | by the way themill in reading and after a google or two, I see others are having a similar issue and I see some type of bug reprt has been written???? |
| 12:04.48 | shicy | why am i asking? becouse everytime i install debian on machine with that graphic card, after installation i get kernel panic |
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| 12:05.34 | Lasse- | shicy: Latest open source one |
| 12:05.46 | infinite | Hello Folks |
| 12:05.51 | Lasse- | Catalyst no longer supports 3450 |
| 12:05.57 | shicy | thanks Lasse- ;) |
| 12:06.19 | Lasse- | shicy: What kind of usage? |
| 12:06.30 | shicy | ordinary desktop use |
| 12:06.36 | Lasse- | Works for that |
| 12:06.42 | Lasse- | 3D-performance is subpar though |
| 12:06.43 | shicy | thanks ;) |
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| 12:07.16 | shicy | should i install wheezy, testing or sid? |
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| 12:07.25 | Lasse- | Isn't wheezy testing |
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| 12:07.31 | Eagleman | Are there other ways to check if Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary ? instead of fdisk? |
| 12:07.35 | Lasse- | Squeeze is the latest stable |
| 12:07.37 | infinite | I trying to get Wireless drivers for Belkin F7D1101 Wireless adapter working on Debian Wheezy; I tried several methods from google; I dtill am not able to get it working; iwconfig does not list wlan0 to use wpa_supplicant; installed firmware-ralink as per wiki no sucess |
| 12:07.43 | Lasse- | but I would say, go for wheezy/testing |
| 12:07.46 | shicy | wheezy is "freeze" now... |
| 12:07.47 | Lasse- | it's stable enough from my experience |
| 12:07.58 | Lasse- | and a lot newer packages |
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| 12:08.55 | shicy | thans Lasse- , i'll install wheezy ;) |
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| 12:09.58 | BalthaTczar | Lasse-, excuse me .. i was on the phone for a while |
| 12:10.05 | ratcheer | infinite: Yes |
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| 12:10.49 | BalthaTczar | Lasse-, i don't think so .. i just did the regular Debian installation .. i didn't create any additional partititions myself in any case ... |
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| 12:11.26 | infinite | ratcheer, : Thanks; I followed three different methods to get it working; wlan0 is still not listed by iwconfig; I am able to get it working on ArchLinux |
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| 12:12.16 | ratcheer | infinite: I just logged on. What is your problem? |
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| 12:12.50 | Eagleman | Are there other ways to check if Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary ? instead of fdisk? |
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| 12:13.27 | ratcheer | Eagleman: gdisk is very good at it. Use command "v" |
| 12:13.46 | Eagleman | Problem opening -v for reading! Error is 2. |
| 12:13.46 | Eagleman | The specified file does not exist! |
| 12:14.04 | ratcheer | Eagleman: Then install it. |
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| 12:14.16 | Eagleman | gdisk is installed |
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| 12:14.41 | ratcheer | No, the Linux command is gdisk. v is then a command to gdisk. |
| 12:15.41 | ratcheer | And you have to run gdisk as root (or under sudo). |
| 12:15.57 | Lasse- | BalthaTczar: you need to have a swap-partition that's at least as large as your RAM |
| 12:16.06 | Lasse- | if that's not the case, you can use swap-file |
| 12:16.45 | Lasse- | but it could also be some sort of stupid bug that affects your laptop |
| 12:16.50 | Lasse- | hard to say, I am no expert |
| 12:17.17 | Eagleman | i am logged in as root |
| 12:17.21 | BalthaTczar | hmm oke |
| 12:17.36 | Lasse- | I mean, could be a bug in case oyu have a swap-partition large enough or use a swapfile and still not working |
| 12:17.36 | Eagleman | root@eagleman:/home/robin# gdisk. v |
| 12:17.36 | Eagleman | No command 'gdisk.' found, did you mean: |
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| 12:18.27 | ratcheer | No period after gdisk |
| 12:18.45 | Eagleman | Problem opening v for reading! Error is 2. |
| 12:18.46 | Eagleman | The specified file does not exist! |
| 12:18.52 | Eagleman | root@eagleman:/home/robin# gdisk v |
| 12:19.00 | ratcheer | e.g., - gdisk /dev/sda |
| 12:19.14 | Eagleman | hows no errors |
| 12:19.17 | Eagleman | shows |
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| 12:20.28 | Eagleman | No problems found. 2014 free sectors (1007.0 KiB) available in 1 |
| 12:20.29 | Eagleman | segments, the largest of which is 2014 (1007.0 KiB) in size. |
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| 12:21.13 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats a good command to see which network card im using? |
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| 12:21.36 | Eagleman | ifconfig |
| 12:21.41 | digdilem | no_gravity, ifconfig will show you with interface |
| 12:21.54 | no_gravity | UUPPSSS!! s/network/grafik ! |
| 12:22.08 | infinite | ratcheer, I just bought a Belkin n150 Wireless adapter, F7D1101 model; able t get it working on ArchLinux, even iwconfig does not recognize wlan0 on Debian Wheezy 2.6.32 kernel |
| 12:22.12 | digdilem | actually determining which physical card is harder - simplest is to unplug a lead whilst watching /var/log/syslog and see which eth complains |
| 12:22.22 | no_gravity | gotta get fan control for this grafik card or im going to get crazy :) |
| 12:22.54 | frikinz | infinite: which kernel in Arch? |
| 12:23.07 | ratcheer | infinite: Is it PCI or USB? |
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| 12:23.36 | ratcheer | no_gravity: What card? ATI? |
| 12:23.55 | infinite | frikinz, 3.5.3.1 on Arch Linux |
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| 12:25.07 | infinite | It is USB; I tried four different methods from google, 8182cu, rtl8192 etc nothing works |
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| 12:25.52 | Eagleman | No problems found. 5860531020 free sectors (2.7 TiB) available in 1 |
| 12:25.53 | Eagleman | segments, the largest of which is 5860531020 (2.7 TiB) in size. |
| 12:26.02 | no_gravity | ratcheer: agp |
| 12:26.20 | Eagleman | How am i sure that there is no error with: does not start on physical sector boundary. |
| 12:26.21 | no_gravity | ratcheer: i dont know if its ati thats what i want to find out so i can google for a fan control thingy |
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| 12:26.39 | no_gravity | ratcheer: i think i remember its some radeon hd or something |
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| 12:27.15 | babilen | infinite: You *really* shouldn't use wheezy with a 2.6.32 kernel -- How did you install it? |
| 12:27.20 | ratcheer | Eagleman: I am fairly certain that if "v" returned "no problems found", the alignment is good. |
| 12:27.51 | Eagleman | so why is fdisk telling me stuff? |
| 12:27.59 | Eagleman | becuase it is not compatible with 3tb or larger? |
| 12:28.01 | infinite | I had Debian Squeeze; I upgrade using apt-get distrib-upgrade; last month |
| 12:28.05 | Eagleman | and gpt |
| 12:28.13 | epsilon | wheezy with 2.6? wthell |
| 12:28.18 | no_gravity | Found it! Radeon HD 3850 |
| 12:28.34 | ratcheer | Eagleman: Yes, fdisk does not work with gpt |
| 12:29.05 | no_gravity | Anybody an idea how i can fan control the Radeon HD 3850? |
| 12:29.29 | infinite | I have a Pentium Celeron Machine 2.8GHz; On My AMD 64bit Phenom X11 it is 3.2.somthething |
| 12:29.36 | babilen | infinite: You've done something wrong then. Could you paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-get update", "aptitude search '~U'" and "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 12:29.48 | ratcheer | no_gravity: Now, what driver? radeon or fglrx? You can find that in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:30.58 | infinite | babilen, I cannot do that, I am writing out of Arch Linux, and I moved this computer into porch I have made, so the need for Wireless, I have to take it back inside, and connect Via ethernet |
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| 12:32.15 | Eagleman | Ok thanks |
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| 12:33.42 | babilen | infinite: Ok - Hard to find out what is wrong then. I have the strong impression that you conducted an incomplete upgrade to wheezy, but I can't be sure without additional information. I would work on that first (or install wheezy in the first place using, for example, the beta2 installer) before tackling the wifi. |
| 12:33.59 | smithi | Hi everyone. I've been using for about 10 years nvidia cards and wanted to switch to ATI. Wanted to ask who has already had experience with the hardware support for ATI. |
| 12:34.32 | infinite | babilen, Thanks will do that; |
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| 12:34.51 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 12:35.03 | babilen | infinite: What I know for sure is that wheezy does not have 2.6.32 and that you *shouldn't* use that kernel. I furthermore assume that you installed the wrong kernel package during the squeeze installation. By wrong I mean a 2.6.32 one (and not, say, linux-image-2.6-amd64) which would not get upgraded automagically during the upgrade. |
| 12:35.16 | pppoe_dude | if I run fsck, does it keep a log of disk errors by default? |
| 12:35.25 | ratcheer | smithi: What do you mean, hardware support? |
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| 12:36.12 | babilen | infinite: Well, not necessarily wrong, but at least suboptimal ;) At least it violated your expectation that the kernel would get upgraded as well during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade. |
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| 12:38.00 | tim_flatus1 | smithi: my whole machine runs on ATI chips |
| 12:38.04 | babilen | infinite: So to make it short: I would recommend to check your sources.list and backup procedure again (cf. "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy"). Continue with installing a sensible kernel metapackage such as "linux-image-amd64" (if that is an amd64 box) which will always depend on the latest available kernel. That should get you the standard 3.2 kernel in wheezy. I am actually pretty surprised that you don't have more problems with a 2.6.32 kernel on ... |
| 12:38.10 | babilen | ... wheezy :) |
| 12:38.16 | tim_flatus1 | I don't know anything about it though. |
| 12:38.21 | smithi | ratcheer: driver support, problems with the driver installation or with activating 3D accelaration. Compiz problems or so. |
| 12:38.37 | babilen | infinite: All that being said: I have no idea if that will actually get your wifi dongle working, but it is at least a start :) |
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| 12:38.55 | male_NY_26cm | firls from NY 25 Years? |
| 12:39.10 | ratcheer | smithi: Ok. What driver do you want to use, proprietary or open source? |
| 12:39.18 | tim_flatus1 | smithi: I found blowing away my residual xorg.conf really helped. |
| 12:39.22 | g105b | male_NY_26cm: Debian is a Linux operating system. |
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| 12:40.20 | male_NY_26cm | ratcheer: M or F? |
| 12:40.21 | babilen | male_NY_26cm: Take it elsewhere. This is a technical support channel for Debian (http://www.debian.org) |
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| 12:40.45 | smithi | ratcher: what are the differences? |
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| 12:41.38 | smithi | tim_flatus1: Once the installation is complicated? |
| 12:42.10 | smithi | ratcheer: what are the differences? |
| 12:42.13 | babilen | *completed ? |
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| 12:43.41 | ratcheer | smithi: I prefer proprietary (fglrx), but I cannot run it with Debian sid. I am now using open source (radeon). I have to force the power mode to "low" to prevent my card from overheating with radeon. |
| 12:43.52 | g105b | male_NY_26cm try #sex |
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| 12:44.20 | no_gravity | ratcheer: I see this in the log: [ 19.480] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" |
| 12:44.31 | no_gravity | ratcheer: so maybe its radeon? |
| 12:44.49 | no_gravity | ratcheer: I also see this: [ 19.481] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so |
| 12:44.50 | frikinz | ratcheer: you're lucky. for me, nothing helps to stop the fan with radeon. I'm using fglrx in sid then |
| 12:45.01 | babilen | smithi: Radeon cards are typically pretty well supported by the open source radeon driver (/msg dpkg radeon) -- A lot of the cards do, however, need firmware (firmware-linux-nonfree package) to work correctly and you might even have to supply that during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware). Make sure to install libgl1-mesa-dri (as per "/msg dpkg radeon") for 3D hardware acceleration. You might need a newer kernel or Xorg version than ... |
| 12:45.07 | babilen | ... the one currently in squeeze for newer cards, but that is no problem and you can also try installer wheezy (current testing) using the beta2 installer. |
| 12:45.13 | ratcheer | no_gravity: That is the open source driver, then. You need to set the power mode to "low". I will find the instructions... |
| 12:45.15 | no_gravity | ratcheer: but i also see this: [ 19.530] (==) Matched fglrx as autoconfigured driver 0 |
| 12:45.27 | babilen | frikinz: With firmare installed? |
| 12:45.35 | frikinz | babilen: sure |
| 12:45.51 | frikinz | glxinfo works. its dependent on the model of the card |
| 12:45.53 | babilen | frikinz: Has that bug been reported somewhere? |
| 12:46.04 | ratcheer | no_gravity: Oooh. Which one says "LoadModule:"? |
| 12:46.42 | no_gravity | ratcheer: [ 19.480] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" |
| 12:46.52 | no_gravity | ratcheer: [ 19.481] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so |
| 12:46.55 | frikinz | babilen: yes, last google results I saw was on ubuntu forwarded to kernel team |
| 12:47.18 | no_gravity | ratcheer: [ 19.530] (II) LoadModule: "fglrx" |
| 12:47.23 | no_gravity | ratcheer: so both say loadmodule: |
| 12:47.27 | babilen | frikinz, smithi: I typically don't see a reason to use fglrx (the proprietary driver) as AMD is actively working with the open source developers and the radeon driver is pretty good. One exception to that is usage of OpenCL for, say, scientific computing, but I doubt that you do that (or you would know) |
| 12:47.55 | ratcheer | no_gravity: Hmmm... |
| 12:47.58 | babilen | frikinz: That might be quite specific to certain GPUs. Do you have the bug number? |
| 12:47.59 | frikinz | babilen: well.. the reason is above. you see plenty of people having the same problem with overheating |
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| 12:48.44 | smithi | babilen: Did i understand correctly, for wheezy I may need to compile a kernel so that ati cards work correctly? |
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| 12:48.56 | babilen | frikinz: Yeah, I understand *why* you recommend fglrx, but I don't think that it is a good general statement. I would therefore like to refine it to a: "Use fglrx if you have a GPU_LINE_FOO card as problems with QUUX have been reported." |
| 12:49.12 | ratcheer | babilen: The radeon driver is very bad to run the card at high power level constantly, giving high operating temperature. |
| 12:49.18 | babilen | smithi: No, not at all. |
| 12:49.19 | no_gravity | ratcheer: amd has a driver download for this card for linux. should i download and install it? |
| 12:49.26 | babilen | ratcheer: Which cards? |
| 12:49.50 | babilen | no_gravity: No, I would strongly recommend to use the Debian packages to install fglrx if you want that driver. See "/msg dpkg fglrx-driver" for details. |
| 12:50.16 | ratcheer | babilen: Cards such as mine, HD6770. dynamic power control does not work, and the developer told me that. |
| 12:50.43 | babilen | smithi: You need firmware for most cards. All I said was that you *might* need a newer kernel/xorg version on Squeeze (current stable) for some cards, which can be installed from backports. |
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| 12:51.26 | babilen | ratcheer: Which GPU line is that? |
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| 12:51.44 | ratcheer | babilen: North something |
| 12:51.45 | smithi | babilen: ok, the installation is over aptitude? |
| 12:52.02 | no_gravity | babilen: im not sure if i want the driver at all. i just want to turn of that fucking fan. |
| 12:52.09 | babilen | ratcheer: Northern Islands -- Do you know if that is a problem across *all* N. Island GPUs? |
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| 12:52.20 | babilen | smithi: Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 12:52.36 | ratcheer | babilen: According to the developer, yes. |
| 12:52.40 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, you could give fglrx a try. If it works for you: Great! |
| 12:53.25 | no_gravity | babilen: what means give it a try? installing it will not turn of the fan i guess? "man radeon" says to set a setting "ForceLowPowerMode". But where do I do that? |
| 12:53.51 | babilen | ratcheer: Ok, thanks. I'll keep that in mind. It is just that I don't see it mentioned on http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature apart from the general "Controlling the fan speed directly is not possible (and would be very dangerous), but it can be lowered by setting lower power profile." |
| 12:54.13 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 12:55.14 | smithi | babilen: currently squeeze, but the ati card is used on my new wheezy computer |
| 12:55.54 | ratcheer | babilen: Yes, I set it lower via the power profile |
| 12:56.16 | babilen | smithi: If you use wheezy already you don't have to upgrade the kernel or xorg as you have the latest already. You do, however, need to install firmware and ligl1-mesa-dri as detailed in "/msg dpkg radeon" |
| 12:57.02 | frikinz | babilen: I didn't recommend fglrx. Far from this idea to recommend closed source driver when open source dev are working hard on it. I'm an open source extremist but I simply cannot use it.. |
| 12:57.52 | ratcheer | babilen: And the reason I asked the developer was because the matrix seems to say all the features are implemented for Northern Islands, but I could see that the dynamic power profile was not working. He said they are planning to implement it in the future. |
| 12:58.11 | smithi | babilen: the installation is via apt? |
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| 12:58.32 | babilen | no_gravity: Create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf file with the following content: http://paste.debian.net/198893/ |
| 12:59.28 | babilen | ratcheer: Hence my question which GPU line this is about -- I was under the impression (after looking at the matrix) that power management features are well supported across most of them. |
| 12:59.46 | no_gravity | babilen: thanks, will try that! |
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| 13:00.54 | babilen | no_gravity: Note that you might have to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory first. Also make sure that firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. Remind me: Which version of Debian are you running and could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
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| 13:01.35 | babilen | no_gravity: If you ever want to install fglrx don't forget to move/remove that configuration file (or replace it with one for fglrx) |
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| 13:03.03 | no_gravity | babilen: ok, will try it. at the moment im installing the driver from the amd website. if i dont get the fan turned of with that, i will try your solution. if that doesnt help, i will get a screwdriver and just remove it physically :) |
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| 13:03.37 | babilen | no_gravity: No! don't install the driver from the AMD website. (that is fglrx) *if* you want to try fglrx follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" ... |
| 13:03.40 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:04.05 | babilen | no_gravity: And *don't* use the radeon configuration file that I just gave you with fglrx ... |
| 13:05.00 | no_gravity | babilen: too late, i already did run the installer command. |
| 13:05.14 | no_gravity | babilen: looks like it hands though. |
| 13:05.15 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, continue in #ati for further support then |
| 13:05.24 | no_gravity | babilen: s/hands/hangs |
| 13:05.37 | babilen | shrugs |
| 13:05.41 | no_gravity | babilen: well, i think i will reinstall debian and try your solution. |
| 13:05.46 | smithi | babilen: thanks a lot |
| 13:06.02 | babilen | no_gravity: Can't we start with the basics first? What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
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| 13:06.21 | babilen | no_gravity: Or rather: Could you paste the output of "lspci -n;lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 13:07.07 | no_gravity | babilen: 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV670PRO [Radeon HD 3850] [1002:9505] |
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| 13:08.39 | babilen | no_gravity: Yeah, you need a newer kernel for that. Could I see "lspci -n" on http://paste.debian.net as well? |
| 13:09.02 | babilen | no_gravity: Information based on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9505 btw |
| 13:09.14 | no_gravity | babilen: something called "setup.gtk" is using 94% of my cpu. Maybe the installer is still alive... hm... |
| 13:09.25 | babilen | sounds like it |
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| 13:10.11 | Nurbs | Are testing and unstable packages archived somewhere? |
| 13:10.23 | no_gravity | babilen: i wonder if theres a way to see if it hangs in a loop or is still doing some progress. that dmn thing is 100mb big. i wonder what they install... |
| 13:10.25 | jelly | Nurbs: /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 13:11.04 | no_gravity | how do i skip aliases when executing a command? |
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| 13:11.34 | babilen | no_gravity: If you reinstall I would recommend either the stable kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) that comes with a newer kernel and firmware or the beta2 wheezy installer (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) for which you need to download the wheezy package for firmware-linux-nonfree from http://packages.debian.org and provide it on a USB stick |
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| 13:12.01 | Nurbs | jelly: Indeed, thanks! I wrongly assumed it wouldn't mirror those. |
| 13:12.04 | SiDz | im using awstats with ipv6 plugin loaded on 4 box, Net::IP Net::DNS installed on those 4 box. but only 1 resolv ipv6 ip's |
| 13:12.06 | SiDz | any clue? |
| 13:12.14 | SiDz | tryed to ask in #awstats but.. its dead |
| 13:12.25 | babilen | no_gravity: But just download the firmware package from the debian-installer site if you decide to go the wheezy route. Note that wheezy hasn't been released yet and that there are still bugs, problems and gremlins. |
| 13:13.24 | SiDz | i did not see any gremlins on my wheezy;p |
| 13:13.28 | SiDz | they are hiding well |
| 13:13.37 | SiDz | only gizmo |
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| 13:13.46 | SiDz | plz dont throw water at gizmo |
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| 13:16.22 | no_gravity | babilen: "df" shows less and less disk space, so there is still hope the installer is doing something i guess... |
| 13:16.51 | babilen | no_gravity: No clue, really ... It sounds rather buggy but *shrug* |
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| 13:19.17 | codescience | does anyone knoe whether smbfs has just been deprecated in the last week or so? |
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| 13:19.48 | themill | codescience: week? no. years? yes. |
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| 13:20.10 | ratcheer | lol |
| 13:20.23 | themill | !smbfs |
| 13:20.24 | dpkg | smbfs is the Linux <SMB> virtual filesystem driver. Unmaintained, disabled in Debian kernel images since Linux 2.6.24, moved to staging at 2.6.37 and removed from mainline at 2.6.39. In Squeeze, the smbfs package only provides smbfs compatibility wrappers for cifs-utils (package dropped for Wheezy, Debian bug #620847). smbfs was superseded by the cifs driver, ask me about <cifs>. |
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| 13:21.03 | codescience | yeah but i could install the package just two weeks or so ago. yet i tried today and aptitude reckons there's no installation package for it. something has changed in the last few weeks for debian testing. |
| 13:22.07 | no_gravity | babilen: HA! It opened some dialog "installation finished" and just waited for me to click "ok" all the time... and i missed that tiny thing on my 30" monitor. |
| 13:22.37 | no_gravity | babilen: so my disk space is vanishing somewhere else... |
| 13:22.42 | ratcheer | What firewall control apps are most recommended for Debian (e.g., ufw, Shorewall, etc). All the other distros I had been using had ufw. Is anything wrong with it? |
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| 13:23.26 | themill | codescience: smbfs hasn't been in wheezy since may |
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| 13:24.14 | shal3r | I got request to somehow track all changes in server software configuration so i can generate report on what has changed and why. Any ideas about that? |
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| 13:24.25 | codescience | i must have had old repo list, perhaps? |
| 13:25.23 | themill | perhaps you installed it from squeeze not wheezy? |
| 13:25.57 | Sevet | or you're on kfreebsd |
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| 13:26.20 | Sevet | or had it installed before may |
| 13:26.37 | niels1 | shal3r, etckeeper might be worth a try |
| 13:26.42 | Sevet | (so perhaps had it in apt cache) |
| 13:26.49 | codescience | actually, linux mint debian edition. |
| 13:27.09 | themill | codescience: who knows what they do with their repos... ask them. This channel cannot help with mint. |
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| 13:28.03 | codescience | as far as i knew, it's just a mirror of debian testing. |
| 13:29.05 | boudiccas | codescience, but its not Debian, and we only support Debian here |
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| 13:29.43 | codescience | i'm not asking for support for mint. was just asking about the smbfs package, for which you have now answered. thank you. |
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| 13:31.10 | themill | codescience: you had me running around looking up data for you which turned out to be probably irrelevant to the problem. In future, please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org. |
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| 13:31.44 | daniel-s_ | hi |
| 13:32.02 | daniel-s_ | does anyone else here get this: http://i.imgur.com/IujD3.png (the weird fonts to the right of my avatar pic) |
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| 13:32.57 | codescience | themill, like i said... i never asked for help with mint. not once. |
| 13:33.13 | Sevet | daniel-s: look like unicode values your font doesn't have a glyph for |
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| 13:33.41 | themill | codescience: umm... you're not running debian, you're running mint and you're asking questions here. Sounds a lot like it to me. |
| 13:34.20 | themill | dpkg: tell codescience about based on debian |
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| 13:35.24 | fgro | hi. how can i install ffmpeg 1.0 on debian 6.0? Do i have to compile myself? |
| 13:35.35 | codescience | moving on now... |
| 13:35.40 | fgro | or can i use package manager? |
| 13:35.57 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 13:35.58 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.13-dmo2; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 6:0.8.3-7; wheezy: 6:0.8.3-7; sid-multimedia: 7:1.0-dmo1; |
| 13:35.59 | judd | wheezy-multimedia: 7:1.0-dmo1 |
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| 13:36.27 | jelly | it seems you'll have to build it yourself oneway or the other |
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| 13:36.34 | themill | that even dmm doesn't have it for squeeze indicates that it probably requires packages that don't exist in squeeze and can't easily be backported |
| 13:36.35 | fgro | jelly: ok |
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| 13:36.38 | RxDx | please, i have two network interfaces (wlan0 and wlan1), how can I know which interface are each one? |
| 13:36.38 | fgro | jelly: thanks! |
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| 13:38.49 | Sevet | RxDx: ifconfig would tell you the MAC of each |
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| 13:39.40 | gazzwi86 | would i be able to get a microsoft life cam working on my raspberry pi running debian |
| 13:39.44 | gazzwi86 | ? |
| 13:39.48 | RxDx | Sevet, yeah, but knowing the MAC addr, how can I know which NIC im looking for? |
| 13:39.51 | gazzwi86 | I need both sound and video |
| 13:40.03 | piranha | Hi all. Is it possible to keep old version of package when updating repository with reprepro includedeb? |
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| 13:40.22 | jelly | gazzwi86: if it works on linux otherwise, there's a change it would work with your hw platform |
| 13:40.56 | Sevet | RxDx: dmesg when it detects the device might have useful info |
| 13:41.05 | Sevet | RxDx: there's probably a better way... |
| 13:41.09 | RxDx | Sevet, ill try, thanks |
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| 13:41.51 | noesc | I'm trying to get GRUB2 and later my console to 1024x768 and tried all solutions I could find including some random tries on my part. |
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| 13:43.01 | noesc | Tried vga=XXX - Grub sais "depricated use 'set gfxpayload=1024x768x24,1024x768' instead". Does not work. |
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| 13:43.37 | noesc | Anyone have some other solution to try? |
| 13:43.44 | Sevet | RxDx: try checking 'cat /sys/class/net/wlan0/uevent' - contains PHYSDEVDRIVER for example (the driver could help tell you the device) |
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| 13:45.05 | babilen | noesc: Could you edit /etc/default/grub and set GRUB_GFXMODE to whatever you want? Don't forget to run "update-grub" afterwards ... Also read: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' |
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| 13:46.47 | Sevet | RxDx: also get PHYSDEVPATH from there and look at 'cat /sys${PHYSDEVPATH}/uevent' |
| 13:47.02 | Sevet | you'll get more device IDs in there too |
| 13:47.16 | RxDx | i dont have this last file |
| 13:47.22 | RxDx | cat: /sys/uevent: No such file or directory |
| 13:47.29 | noesc | babilen: I've tried all different values for GRUB_GXMODE lower than 1024x768 (vbeinfo tells me what I can use). And yes, update-grub is burnt into my synapses by now :p |
| 13:47.34 | Sevet | substitute it with what you found in the 1st file |
| 13:47.38 | RxDx | ${PHYSDEVPATH} return nothing |
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| 13:48.19 | Sevet | ah there's a symlink |
| 13:48.22 | noesc | babilen: heading for 'info'.... |
| 13:48.30 | Sevet | cat /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/uevent |
| 13:48.38 | Sevet | that'll be easier :) |
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| 13:49.01 | Sevet | if you put the device ids into google it should be able to tell you what the hardware is |
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| 13:54.54 | daniel-s_ | Sevet: do you know which package install hav a unicode font with more glyphs? |
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| 13:55.33 | Sevet | *shrug* |
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| 13:56.49 | fgro | trying to ./configure ffmpeg 1.0 on debian 6.0 I get 'ERROR: libfaac not found' although I installed libfaac0 package |
| 13:57.08 | fgro | is not the most experienced with compiling packages on debian. |
| 13:57.32 | ceil | is there a libfaac0-dev? :x |
| 13:57.41 | fgro | ah ;-) |
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| 14:20.11 | mgedmin | is there a tool (in devscripts perhaps?) to parse the version number in debian/changelog and print it to stdout? |
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| 14:27.23 | themill | mgedmin: dpkg-parsechangelog | awk '/^Version/ { print $2 }' |
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| 14:28.01 | mgedmin | thanks! |
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| 14:36.12 | colo-work | how can I force an fsck of / during bootup with squeeze? (preferably from inside the initrd, before the fs is mounted) |
| 14:37.04 | mgedmin | you could touch /forcefsck before you reboot |
| 14:37.58 | Sevet | (and remove it after) |
| 14:38.20 | mgedmin | (shouldn't the init.d script that does this remove it?) |
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| 14:40.46 | Sevet | mgeadmin: i didn't realise it was an init script checking it |
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| 14:42.15 | Sevet | yes /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh should remove it |
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| 14:44.02 | mgedmin | Sevet, while you're looking at that script, is there any other way you can force a fsck? like adding something to the kernel command line? |
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| 14:44.23 | mgedmin | I don't have a Debian machine available at the moment |
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| 14:46.33 | nkuttler | !tell mgedmin about forcefsck |
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| 14:47.09 | mgedmin | colo-work was the one who asked first |
| 14:47.24 | mgedmin | colo-work, you can include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line to force a fsck |
| 14:47.38 | colo-work | mgedmin, thanks, I already found out about that and did it |
| 14:47.41 | colo-work | it's fscking right now |
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| 14:48.24 | lxsameer | how can i install a package without its dependencies ? |
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| 14:50.32 | somiaj | lxsameer: why would you want to do that, the package would be broken because it depends on other packages. |
| 14:52.35 | lxsameer | somiaj: i just want to install a gtk theme, but it depend on about 120MB of packages, and i'm pretty sure that i do not need those packages in order to use that them |
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| 14:53.05 | somiaj | lxsameer: they depend on that package for a reason. gtk themes often are written for a specific gtk engine which must be installed to use the theme |
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| 14:53.40 | somiaj | lxsameer: maybe give us some more info about what package you are wanting to install. What version of debian you are using and the list of additional packages that get installed as well. |
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| 14:54.59 | roylaprattep | Is there a way to see active rules with shorewall like I can do with iptables with "iptables -L" ? |
| 14:55.19 | lxsameer | somiaj: ok, let's forget about it |
| 14:55.36 | somiaj | note it could also be installing recomended and/or suggested packages depending on how you have apt setup, there are flags you can use to say not to install the suggested/recomended |
| 14:56.01 | somiaj | but you should not in most circumstances not install a packages depends. |
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| 14:56.44 | lxsameer | somiaj: i do not want to install gnome, but just because of that theme, i have to install it |
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| 14:58.19 | thewanderer1 | roylaprattep, you can see most runtime parameters using `shorewall show ...`, see the manpage. I don't think shorewall keeps the rulesets cached, though - it just translates them to iptables, so all you can get is an iptables dump... |
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| 15:08.52 | black_13 | can clonezilla back up and restore disk where there are ntfs and ext3 partions on the disk? |
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| 15:11.22 | elixey | should |
| 15:11.41 | elixey | i know thaat simple dd can do that |
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| 15:24.58 | confusid | does debian use /var/crash partition for core dumps if it was to crash? |
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| 15:33.35 | roylaprattep | someone know if the bug with intel nic chipset has been fixed ? "eth0: reset adapter" |
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| 15:34.20 | thewanderer1 | roylaprattep, which kernel are you using? |
| 15:34.32 | roylaprattep | debian squeeze out of the box |
| 15:35.01 | roylaprattep | 2.6.32 |
| 15:35.08 | roylaprattep | 2.6.32-5 |
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| 15:37.29 | roylaprattep | if it has been fixed in wheezy I'm gonna switch now |
| 15:37.42 | roylaprattep | I'm tired of rebooting to get back my LAN |
| 15:37.54 | thewanderer1 | don't switch to wheezy, it's not stable. use the kernel from backports instead. |
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| 15:38.09 | roylaprattep | it's fixed with the backport kernel ? |
| 15:38.24 | thewanderer1 | I don't know, but it doesn't hurt to try |
| 15:38.35 | thewanderer1 | it could be a hardware problem, for that matter |
| 15:38.42 | roylaprattep | umm, no. |
| 15:38.53 | roylaprattep | many threads for this in google. |
| 15:38.57 | roylaprattep | but no fixes. |
| 15:39.01 | thewanderer1 | when you reboot, the hardware gets reinitialized |
| 15:39.05 | roylaprattep | yup. |
| 15:39.42 | thewanderer1 | I assume you have tried booting with pcie_aspm=off ? |
| 15:39.56 | roylaprattep | that doesn't fix. |
| 15:39.59 | BabyCorporate | hi |
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| 15:40.23 | BabyCorporate | ok i c debian 7 must be coming out around feb 2013 |
| 15:40.33 | BabyCorporate | seems like every 2 years |
| 15:40.37 | roylaprattep | thewanderer1: with ubuntu precise, no problem with my NIC. |
| 15:40.49 | thewanderer1 | roylaprattep, try a newer kernel, then |
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| 15:41.06 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.32 is already old, I don't think it can even control ASPM |
| 15:41.16 | sney | !bdo kernel |
| 15:41.17 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:41.40 | roylaprattep | thewanderer1: with ubuntu precise, i still see sometimes "reset adapter" but it doesn't shutdown the NIC and all is still working |
| 15:42.47 | thewanderer1 | roylaprattep, please read this, too. this IS a hardware problem: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/9180/eng/README.txt |
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| 15:43.01 | thewanderer1 | (you are looking for "82573(V/L/E) TX Unit Hang Messages") |
| 15:43.22 | jhutchins | Is there even a possibility that guests running on different nodes of a VMWare cluster would have different network performance (given no load on the network from other hosts)? |
| 15:43.35 | MIAGD | hello! i made a debian vm and forgot the root pw for it... can you please help me reset it? i've already googled but can't follow anything i've found |
| 15:43.47 | MIAGD | yes, i do feel like an idiot, thanks |
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| 15:44.27 | BabyCorporate | hey should i download cd1 or dvd1 |
| 15:44.52 | BabyCorporate | last time i got cd1 i was missing critical menu options |
| 15:44.56 | sney | BabyCorporate: cd1 has plenty for a working system. everything on the discs is available through apt over the internet |
| 15:45.21 | BabyCorporate | well i just dont want to be missing the admin menu options |
| 15:45.22 | themill | BabyCorporate: the installer is identical, the difference is when you download stuff. |
| 15:45.22 | roylaprattep | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 15:45.50 | thewanderer1 | good, you now have all resources needed to fix this problem |
| 15:45.56 | roylaprattep | thewanderer1: I think kernel upgrade will do the job because in ubuntu precise with kernel 3.2 it work fines |
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| 15:46.13 | BabyCorporate | what is the diff between cd1 and dvd1 |
| 15:46.20 | sney | BabyCorporate: tbh, your best option is a netinstall with support for your network hardware. |
| 15:46.25 | roylaprattep | BabyCorporate: More stuff on DVD. |
| 15:46.28 | mike_o | Is there way to tell apt-get/aptitude that I only want the English tranlations when I run "aptitude update"? |
| 15:46.29 | sney | the difference is dvd1 is bigger so it has more packages. |
| 15:46.34 | BabyCorporate | deff not network install |
| 15:46.46 | BabyCorporate | i have slow conection |
| 15:46.54 | jhutchins | !tell mullein about ifrp |
| 15:46.59 | jhutchins | mullein: Sorry. |
| 15:47.09 | sney | you could download cds 1 and 2 and tell the installer about the second disc |
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| 15:47.27 | BabyCorporate | ok sounds promising |
| 15:47.32 | BabyCorporate | whats on the disk2 |
| 15:47.34 | jhutchins | I need more coffee. |
| 15:47.47 | JessicaW | how do you unset a path? |
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| 15:48.03 | BabyCorporate | export to ='' |
| 15:48.12 | BabyCorporate | set to blank |
| 15:48.24 | BabyCorporate | export $lol= |
| 15:48.25 | JessicaW | BabyCorporate: tried that. didn't work. |
| 15:48.25 | sney | BabyCorporate: more packages. CD1 has the installer, every disc after that contains every single package in debian main |
| 15:48.52 | BabyCorporate | sney im just worried about menu items |
| 15:49.10 | BabyCorporate | last time my menus were empty for the most part |
| 15:49.15 | JessicaW | when trying to unset/export to blank I get -bash: export: `/usr/local/packages/boost_1_46_1/boost=': not a valid identifier |
| 15:49.22 | Sevet | BabyCorporate: you mean 'export lol=' |
| 15:49.23 | BabyCorporate | like system tools etc |
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| 15:49.32 | BabyCorporate | yes Sevet |
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| 15:49.52 | BabyCorporate | yes u add $ when echo |
| 15:50.03 | sney | BabyCorporate: unfortunately my brain does not contain a list of what packages are on each disc |
| 15:50.04 | BabyCorporate | echo $HOME |
| 15:50.05 | JessicaW | ahhh! thanks guys! I feel retarded now. |
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| 15:50.09 | BabyCorporate | export home= |
| 15:50.09 | themill | dpkg: tell mike_o about apt translation |
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| 15:50.19 | Sevet | JessicaW: no $ in the export or it'll extrapolate the old value and try setting a var called that instead of the one you want |
| 15:50.27 | BabyCorporate | yesyes |
| 15:50.31 | BabyCorporate | bash is triky |
| 15:50.46 | JessicaW | Sevet: that did the trick! thanks! |
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| 15:51.06 | mike_o | themill: thanks |
| 15:51.08 | BabyCorporate | JessicaW: was my idea |
| 15:51.09 | sney | BabyCorporate: but even with cd1 or dvd1 you will be downloading a lot more unneeded stuff than you would with the netinstall. if there's a netinstall iso that supports your nic, I highly recommend going that route, *because* you have a slow connection. |
| 15:51.27 | JessicaW | BabyCorporate: TOTALLY! :) you rock! |
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| 15:51.34 | BabyCorporate | \o/ |
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| 15:52.04 | BabyCorporate | yeah sney im on a fast connection now |
| 15:52.17 | BabyCorporate | but not later |
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| 15:52.24 | sney | ah well *shrug* |
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| 15:53.26 | pydm | my laptop is t402s, and i can't remember what button i press then the screen resolution become 1024x768 (origin 1600x900) |
| 15:53.57 | pydm | chaning with xrandr -s 1600x900 would cause the screen occupy only around 3/4 of the screen. |
| 15:54.09 | pydm | where can i start to fix this problem? |
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| 15:58.18 | JessicaW | BabyCorporate: after you add a path, do you need to log out and log back in or is there some way to refresh your bash session? |
| 15:58.25 | unname | the debian unstable netimage |
| 15:58.27 | unname | what kernel has? |
| 15:58.38 | BabyCorporate | no |
| 15:58.42 | BabyCorporate | why is not working? |
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| 15:59.02 | BabyCorporate | have you tried echo $VAR |
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| 15:59.20 | JessicaW | BabyCorporate: yeah. not showing |
| 15:59.38 | BabyCorporate | that means its not set |
| 15:59.57 | JessicaW | bah |
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| 16:07.46 | BabyCorporate | umm ok so i dled cd1 and 2 |
| 16:07.55 | spaceninja | is it possible to look which packages that depends on a certain package? |
| 16:08.01 | BabyCorporate | so i make a bootable with the cd1.iso right? |
| 16:08.14 | BabyCorporate | and what do i do with cd2.iso |
| 16:08.16 | spaceninja | that are installed |
| 16:08.28 | BabyCorporate | spaceninja: yes |
| 16:08.41 | spaceninja | BabyCorporate: ok how? :) |
| 16:08.53 | BabyCorporate | just try to uninstall it |
| 16:08.56 | BabyCorporate | and it will tell you |
| 16:09.01 | BabyCorporate | but dont press ok |
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| 16:09.30 | BabyCorporate | same with installing |
| 16:09.55 | pydm | anyone can help? |
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| 16:10.02 | spaceninja | BabyCorporate: ok thanks |
| 16:10.04 | pydm | any suggestion is appreciated. |
| 16:10.34 | black_13 | can i back up a disk using dd ? |
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| 16:11.00 | black_13 | or can i use dd to save a disk image then use that image to set the bits of the disk? |
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| 16:33.08 | frikinz | black_13: not sure I understand but you can backup with dd yes and then copy to another raw device or you can access the dd backup later with a mount loop |
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| 16:44.54 | helo | if i remount -f -o ro /, is it safe to dd from that partition to another to make a backup? |
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| 16:45.20 | TheRedOctober | Greetings all. I have a very unmounted and idle logical volume. lvremove, resize2fs, etc. all return errors (ie. "Can't remove open logical volume", but I don't see open via mount or lsof). Any ideas? Here is lvdisplay for the volume: http://pastebin.com/gnrZLkQD |
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| 16:46.19 | TheRedOctober | y |
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| 16:47.39 | JessicaW | how do I add another directory into my path? i.e. opt/tools |
| 16:47.49 | JessicaW | so I don't have to type the full path each time. |
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| 16:54.04 | helo | tries it |
| 16:54.35 | FrostofSparta | JessicaW: You get help? |
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| 16:54.48 | JessicaW | FrostofSparta: nope |
| 16:55.05 | themill | !path |
| 16:55.05 | JessicaW | FrostofSparta: I'm pretty sure it has to do with export |
| 16:55.06 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
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| 16:55.30 | FrostofSparta | JessicaW: there ya go! |
| 16:55.43 | JessicaW | FrostofSparta: but if I add a export PATH=/opt/tools does it add it or will it replace the old one? |
| 16:56.12 | themill | JessicaW: you'd PATH=$PATH:/opt/tools |
| 16:56.35 | FrostofSparta | JessicaW: You seperate them with : |
| 16:56.35 | JessicaW | themill: and that would be bad... |
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| 16:57.27 | JessicaW | gah. I think I did it twice... |
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| 16:58.42 | JessicaW | if I echo $PATH... |
| 16:59.06 | JessicaW | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.44 | AlexLikeRock | why are more people on freenode than irc.debian.org? |
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| 17:00.12 | JessicaW | freenode is where the cool kids hang out? |
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| 17:01.59 | dkr | AlexLikeRock: some of us were here before the move to oftc. I used to be in both, but got lazy |
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| 17:02.19 | unname | soemone knows wich version of the kernel is inside of wheezy= |
| 17:02.38 | themill | dpkg: tell unname about wheezy kernel |
| 17:03.09 | themill | JessicaW: having duplicate entries in your path doesn't hurt. What's in /opt/tools, btw? is it things that are also in /usr/bin? |
| 17:03.26 | JessicaW | themill: nope. it's stuff I'm installing |
| 17:03.43 | JessicaW | themill: genetics analysis tools |
| 17:03.46 | AlexLikeRock | o.o |
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| 17:04.37 | unname | is there a version compatible with amd64 and x86? i would like to have an universal sd card |
| 17:04.38 | JessicaW | themill: what if I want to take one of them off? or if I put something in wrong and want to remove it? |
| 17:04.41 | themill | JessicaW: yeah, that's not so bad then. You have to be careful about putting things at the start of your PATH that override system tools. (sometimes you want that, sometimes you don't, you rarely want to do that with root) |
| 17:04.58 | themill | JessicaW: just set PATH=/the/value:/you/want |
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| 17:05.14 | JessicaW | themill: so reset it and put that at the end? |
| 17:05.41 | JessicaW | i.e. /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/tools |
| 17:06.07 | themill | JessicaW: probably not worth it given what you've got in /opt/tools. If you had /opt/tools/python or /opt/tools/perl then you'd want to think about this more. |
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| 17:06.41 | JessicaW | themill: I'm trying to keep from having to type the full path every time I do an analysis. |
| 17:06.53 | themill | yes... |
| 17:07.13 | JessicaW | themill: i.e. just type rgene run77-prqtest instead of /opt/tools/rgene blah blah blah |
| 17:07.26 | themill | you've already achieved that |
| 17:07.43 | JessicaW | themill: so I just have to be careful about what goes in there so it doesn't throw off what's listed after it. |
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| 17:08.14 | themill | JessicaW: yeah, don't call one of your analysis tools "ls" for example. |
| 17:08.51 | JessicaW | themill: wouldn't it be easier just to move it to the end? |
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| 17:17.36 | boudiccas | i've done this and got this - echo $PATH - /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/opt/real/RealPlayer i've looked in /etc/profile but it doesnt have the realplayer in it, where ellse should i look please? |
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| 17:22.04 | themill | boudiccas: ~/.bash{rc,_profile} ~/.profile /etc/profile{,.d} |
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| 17:22.58 | wak3r | hi! |
| 17:23.04 | wak3r | where i get "libm.so.6"? |
| 17:23.30 | themill | wak3r: you'd be working hard not to have it |
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| 17:23.47 | wak3r | u know the package? |
| 17:24.02 | themill | dpkg: tell wak3r about apt-file |
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| 17:24.20 | themill | wak3r: there is no way you don't already have it on your machine unless you've done something really silly. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 17:24.59 | wak3r | i wanna use unrar, but it ask me "libm.so.6" |
| 17:25.28 | themill | wak3r: real errors with the command that generated them in paste.debian.net are helpful |
| 17:25.48 | wak3r | error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object |
| 17:26.00 | harovali | hi, I'm running a 2.6.32-43-generic-pae, and ext4 partitions. There are heavy slowdowns related to the kernel bug that in theory gets solved by doing 'echo 4 > /sys/fs/ext4/sdaN/max_writeback_mb_bump' for each N mounted partition. However, having done that, the slowdowns persist. How can I address this ? Is there a fixed kernel bakport that can be apt-get'd for instance? Other approaches are welcome. |
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| 17:27.01 | themill | harovali: that doesn't sound like a debian kernel. |
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| 17:28.06 | boudiccas | themill, i'm sorry i dont know what ~ means before a file name |
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| 17:28.44 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, ~/ is the home directory. roughly equivalent to $HOME/ |
| 17:28.47 | themill | boudiccas: ~/ is your home directory. ~foo/ is foo's home directory |
| 17:28.57 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
| 17:29.07 | wak3r | nothing found with apt-file |
| 17:29.09 | wak3r | :\ |
| 17:29.34 | themill | wak3r: did you run apt-file update as instructed? |
| 17:29.41 | wak3r | yes |
| 17:29.54 | themill | wak3r: what release of debian are you using? |
| 17:30.04 | wak3r | squeezy |
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| 17:30.08 | themill | ... |
| 17:30.09 | wak3r | 6.0 |
| 17:30.11 | wak3r | Amd64 |
| 17:30.18 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm issuing commands to a named pipe, how would one redirect responses to commands to the named pipe? So if I issue say get_file_name I would get he response of that command. |
| 17:30.41 | blubberdiblub | themill, wak3r may be trying to run a 32 bit version of unrar, if i were to take a guess |
| 17:30.50 | themill | blubberdiblub: yeah |
| 17:30.52 | TheWarden | this is in regards to mplayer slave mode, however I believe this question I have is a general concept and not specific to mplayer. |
| 17:31.05 | jelly-home | TheWarden: pipes are not a two-way IPC mechanism, you'd use sockets or something else |
| 17:31.23 | jelly-home | (or a second pipe) |
| 17:31.55 | TheWarden | jelly-home: yes I understand that... but I don't believe there is a way to do a socket with mplayer that I know of. A second pipe, how so? |
| 17:32.10 | jelly-home | I have no idea what mplayer does, either |
| 17:32.33 | jelly-home | was commenting from a developer pov |
| 17:32.43 | blubberdiblub | TheWarden, simple create 2 named pipes and use one for the first direction of communication and the second for the return channel |
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| 17:32.59 | TheWarden | jelly-home: create one named pipe to accept commands and then create another to handle responses. Mmm so I would then do a command end with > pipe2 2>&1 |
| 17:33.25 | wak3r | Solved. |
| 17:33.34 | wak3r | Thx themill |
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| 17:34.15 | jelly-home | TheWarden: which language are you using for the client? |
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| 17:34.18 | JessicaW | themill: how would I replace the current with /opt/cluster at the end? |
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| 17:34.34 | brimstone | i'm having a problem where xscreensaver isn't unlocking on a sid gripped system |
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| 17:34.46 | JessicaW | export $PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/tools |
| 17:34.51 | JessicaW | erps |
| 17:34.52 | brimstone | everything else seems to work fine |
| 17:34.56 | TheWarden | blubberdiblub: but in order to get the response I would then have to view the 2nd named pipe? So if I did say echo "get_file_name" > mplayer.pipe I would then view the 2nd named pipe file ? |
| 17:35.36 | TheWarden | jelly-home: right now I'm just trying this manually to understand how and that it works. I was wanting to do this in PHP CLI but if I have to BASH or Python. |
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| 17:36.11 | JessicaW | dang. I did the dollar sign again.... |
| 17:36.28 | blubberdiblub | TheWarden, i don't know your exact circumstances. but you'd do something like "mkfifo pipe1 && mkfifo pipe2 && program1 > pipe1 < pipe2 & program2 > pipe2 < pipe1 |
| 17:36.39 | jelly-home | TheWarden: python has http://docs.python.org/library/popen2.html |
| 17:36.57 | JessicaW | nvmd. I got it. |
| 17:37.29 | TheWarden | jelly-home: oh okay... I'll take a look but want to try to do PHP CLI first. |
| 17:37.55 | TheWarden | blubberdiblub: mmm okay |
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| 17:38.32 | blubberdiblub | TheWarden, that is if you want to establish a 2-way communication between 2 programs using stdin and stdout, respectively |
| 17:39.20 | JessicaW | what are compiler include paths and linker library paths |
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| 17:40.57 | boudiccas | i've just added ':/sbin' to /etc/profiles and then done 'echo $PATH' but it doesnt show in it. do i need to log out and back in again to get it to show? |
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| 17:41.32 | somiaj | boudiccas: you could just 'source /etc/profiles' (isn't it /etc/profile) |
| 17:41.47 | somiaj | boudiccas: that will rerun the profile script and set up all the info in there without a logout/login, but yes you need to actually read/run that |
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| 17:41.59 | boudiccas | somiaj, thanks, yes, an extra 's' crept in |
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| 17:43.04 | TheWarden | blubberdiblub: I guess it matters the exact circumstances. I tried doing it but no go. mmm As presently I have this command for one named pipe |
| 17:43.07 | TheWarden | blubberdiblub: mplayer -v -fs -idle -loop 0 -zoom -slave -input file=/home/kiosk/mplayer.pipe /home/kiosk/web/files/upload/screen_layouts/flash/200_299/278/202_Marquee_1332860863_1346947214.mp4 > /home/kiosk/logs/mplayer.log 2>&1 |
| 17:43.54 | jelly-home | TheWarden: if you're REALLY hung on doing it in the shell, #bash will probably show you some horrible way to bind both stdin and stdout of a subprocess |
| 17:43.57 | TheWarden | blubberdiblub: I created two named pipe files, mplayer.pipe (1st one) and mplayer2.pipe for responses |
| 17:44.22 | jelly-home | TheWarden: but you really don't want to do that (or use named pipes, either) |
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| 17:44.51 | jelly-home | just because debconf does similar things, doesn't mean it's SANE |
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| 17:45.10 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, he's apparently using some file input built in to mplayer anyway, not stdin |
| 17:45.12 | TheWarden | jelly-home: oh well I just don't know what to do. What option does one have then if I don't use named pipes. That's what mplayer uses to accept commands to control it. |
| 17:45.24 | jelly-home | TheWarden: ask mplayer people. |
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| 17:45.27 | JessicaW | after compiling I get this telling me to include some paths. I'm not sure where to put them. http://paste.debian.net/plain/199094 |
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| 17:45.55 | TheWarden | I just want to have a video player play full screen and be able to add/remove files from the playlist, find out what is play, where its play at, etc. via a script. |
| 17:46.11 | TheWarden | jelly-home: no one knows it seems |
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| 17:46.18 | TheWarden | thanks |
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| 17:49.01 | mfblackmail69 | JessicaW: you'll have to add those to your makefile |
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| 17:49.43 | somiaj | TheWarden: mplayer can do that, though it isn't easy. There is a way you can set up maplayer to listen to a file socket, and then send/retrive info from mplayer that way, that inlcudes adding/removing files from the play list and seeing the current item playing. |
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| 17:50.03 | somiaj | TheWarden: I wrote a myplay script a while a go to do such a thing (so I could control mplayer from FVWM or the command line) |
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| 17:50.30 | JessicaW | mfblackmail69: ? how would I go about doing that? I followed the instructions from their install guide verbatim. |
| 17:50.39 | somiaj | TheWarden: ahh you already got to that point, if you are intersted I can share my myplay script (its python) with you. I don't have it on my laptop though so it will have to be once I get home to my desktop |
| 17:50.41 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh via a socket would be great. I haven't found anything on the subject though. |
| 17:50.44 | JessicaW | mfblackmail69: it's for the boost c++ libraries |
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| 17:51.00 | mfblackmail69 | JessicaW: do you have the Makefile? |
| 17:51.09 | TheWarden | somiaj: sure if you don't mind, worth a look :-). |
| 17:51.23 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea the document took me a while to find. It wasn't the best documentation but it was enough to get basic functionality |
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| 17:51.48 | somiaj | TheWarden: again I did this all for music, but the idea is the same for video |
| 17:51.50 | JessicaW | mfblackmail69: it uses something called bootstrap.sh to make the makefile and then produces a file called b2 to compile it. |
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| 17:52.09 | TheWarden | somiaj: I tried controlling VLC via a socket and it worked great running it manually (wrote it in PHP) but as soon as I tried to get it to run automated via cron the whole thing fell apart. so I gave up on VLC direction which I still thing is possible but no clue how to make it work. |
| 17:52.11 | somiaj | TheWarden: http://zensites.net/fvwm/screenshots/mediabuttons.png -- there is a screenshot of how it looks in fvwm, those menus and the media buttons in the top right are all just scripts getting info from mplayer |
| 17:52.17 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh okay. |
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| 17:52.30 | TheWarden | somiaj: I wouldn't have a GUI at all in my case. |
| 17:52.54 | somiaj | TheWarden: the gui is not important. All of the features come directaly from the script which I made both cli and able to work with my fvwm gui |
| 17:52.57 | mfblackmail69 | JessicaW: edit the Makefile |
| 17:53.10 | TheWarden | somiaj: cool |
| 17:53.12 | somiaj | TheWarden: send me a /msg and then ideal around and I'll try to get back to you. Gonna be a few hours though. |
| 17:53.25 | TheWarden | somiaj: np |
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| 17:53.35 | JessicaW | mfblackmail69: I think the bootstrap.sh is like configure and the b2 file is like the makefile but I'm not sure. it doesn't look like anything I'm used to. |
| 17:54.44 | mfblackmail69 | JessicaW: add: CC -I/usr/local/packages/boost_1_47_0 -L/usr/local/packages/boost_1_47_0/stage/lib <program_name> |
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| 18:04.13 | ballison | i'm having the weirdest problem with xterm cut and paste working within Debian but not populating the global cut and paste clipboard for VMWare Fusion. BUT if i go into a firefox, or pidgin, or any other application in Debian and select the text and select copy it works |
| 18:04.20 | ballison | i can then paste back over on my mac side |
| 18:04.31 | ballison | it's simple NOT working for xterm/eterm/aterm...etc |
| 18:05.21 | ballison | so right click Copy in Pidgin/Firefox populates the global cut and paste clipboard BUT select inside xterm/aterm/eterm does not (well not consistantly) |
| 18:05.24 | ballison | and clues? |
| 18:05.26 | ballison | any clues? |
| 18:05.44 | boudiccas | i've added /sbin to my PATH in /etc/profile sp it now looks like 'PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin:/opt/real/RealPlayer"', i then do 'source /etc/profile' as root, and then 'echo $PATH' which shows '/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/opt/real/RealPlayer'. how do i get '/sbin/' to show in my path please? |
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| 18:08.28 | mikarch | @ballison I`m seeing something similar on my system. copy/paste works fine in firefox etc but not with urxvt. Have you tried parcellite or clipit? (clipboard managers) |
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| 18:14.48 | yakamo | can anyone recommend a package for file screening on my nfs shares |
| 18:14.50 | yakamo | ? |
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| 18:15.45 | Xtreme | guys how to get search working in debian? |
| 18:15.48 | Xtreme | nautilus |
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| 18:16.37 | boudiccas | i mean '/sbin' |
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| 18:20.32 | boudiccas | in /etc/profile.d there are 2 files with /opt/real/RealPlayer |
| 18:20.33 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.31 | karlpinc | boudiccas: IIRC both /etc/login.defs and pam can change $PATH as well, as well as ~/.bash_profile and the like. |
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| 18:32.18 | boudiccas | karlpinc, thanks |
| 18:32.24 | jagginess | hey, anyone has been testing the speechsyn during install with wheezy? |
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| 18:32.36 | karlpinc | boudiccas: Usually the "main place" is pam, but if things are customized it's often in the shell profile files. |
| 18:32.39 | jagginess | (it's too fast) |
| 18:33.25 | karlpinc | jagginess: You could talk with #debian-boot (on irc.otfc.net?) about the installer. That's their topic. |
| 18:33.44 | jagginess | karlpinc, cool |
| 18:34.02 | jeremym | I am using Debian 6.0.6. On my server it is set up as an NIS client and it needs to mount home directories from our NFS server. I have that configured but I am getting nobody:nobody as the user/group for each user's home directory. I know thats because it is mounting it with NFSv4. How can I make the Debian server use NFSv3 only when it automounts? |
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| 18:34.14 | jeremym | i have googled this so much that i have info overload |
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| 18:35.04 | karlpinc | jeremym: I haven't done nfs in ages, but if there's anything debian specific see the <readme.debian>. |
| 18:35.11 | karlpinc | !tell jeremym about readme.debian |
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| 18:38.18 | jagginess | jeremydei, look in the nfs manpages (apropos nfs), you probably can use uid related things |
| 18:38.29 | karlpinc | jeremym: Are you using autofs? |
| 18:38.31 | jeremym | From reading that it appears that is more geared towards manually mounting it, exporting it (im trying to import), and auto mounting it with fstab. Thank you for that info though because that will be helpful in the future for other things when trying to diagnose Debian only issues. |
| 18:38.36 | jeremym | karlpinc, yep |
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| 18:38.50 | jeremym | it mounts it fine for the user but just keeps using nfs4 |
| 18:38.55 | karlpinc | jeremym: Yes, "man fs" says that you use the "nfs" fs type for v2 and v3 and nfs4 for v4. |
| 18:39.15 | karlpinc | jeremym: (as your mount type in /etc/fstab) |
| 18:39.25 | karlpinc | s/man fs/man nfs/ |
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| 18:39.29 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 18:40.01 | karlpinc | jeremym: (Or as your mount type anywhere for that matter.) |
| 18:40.03 | jelly-home | jeremym: mount option vers=3 |
| 18:40.15 | jeremym | right but im not putting it in /etc/fstab i have it automounted using autofs in /etc/auto.home |
| 18:40.38 | jeremym | so im hoping there is a way, such as in Solaris, to disable nfs4 support so it wont try to mount nfs4 first. |
| 18:40.50 | jelly-home | nah... just fix auto.home to use that option |
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| 18:41.23 | jeremym | jelly-home, ok let me read up on the option format for that and I will give that a shot. Will let you know |
| 18:41.35 | lancelot_of | after resuming from hibernation i get my cpu temp raising 70° even if the load is 0%. Looking at powertop i see around 99% of load in C7-SNB for my intel i5 4cores. I'm running kernel 3.6.1 compiled from source and machine specific (thinkpad x220).What's going wrong? |
| 18:41.43 | jeremym | not sure if i have to put it in auto.master or auto.home and the proper format so I will read up on it real quick |
| 18:41.53 | karlpinc | jeremym: vers= is in "man 5 nfs" as well. |
| 18:42.19 | jelly-home | auto.home is probably just a shell script |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | at least my auto.net is |
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| 18:45.33 | simonlnu | auto.home is typically just a conf. auto.net is a script |
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| 18:47.50 | lancelot_of | after resuming from hibernation i get my cpu temp raising 70° even if the load is 0%. Looking at powertop i see around 99% of load in C7-SNB for my intel i5 4cores. I'm running kernel 3.6.1 compiled from source and machine specific (thinkpad x220).What's going wrong? |
| 18:48.28 | simonlnu | !repeat |
| 18:48.28 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:48.40 | lancelot_of | sorry |
| 18:49.48 | simonlnu | s'ok, not a bg deal :). just helping you avoid being annoying :P. *grin* |
| 18:49.52 | simonlnu | big* |
| 18:50.14 | simonlnu | i would imagine i/o is an issue |
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| 18:50.26 | simonlnu | sticking all that data back into ram |
| 18:50.41 | simonlnu | i imagine you have swap? |
| 18:51.32 | simonlnu | i do seem to remember some boxen having this sort of issue. but, i have limited experience with this sort of thing ;). |
| 18:51.32 | jeremym | i have set auto.master to use this line "/home auto.home -nobrowse -fstype=nfs" and I am still getting it to mount in vers4 only. According to the documentation if i were to manually mount with "mount -t nfs IP:i/directory/ /mountpoint" it should mount nfs3. If i mount such as "mount -t nfs4 IP:/directory/ /mountpoint" then it will do nfs4 |
| 18:51.39 | jeremym | i have to be fubar'ing somewhere |
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| 18:52.14 | jagginess | jeremym, you're allowed to use -nobrowse on an fstab line? |
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| 18:52.23 | simonlnu | dur? he left? |
| 18:52.24 | lancelot_of | sorry i fallen |
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| 18:52.30 | simonlnu | oh ok |
| 18:52.30 | jagginess | thinks jeremym is reading osx's manpages ? |
| 18:52.38 | jeremym | lol who knows :P |
| 18:52.49 | simonlnu | "i've fallen and i can't get up" |
| 18:52.53 | jagginess | jeremym, that's apple manpages.. i recognize some of its syntax |
| 18:52.58 | jagginess | lol |
| 18:53.34 | jelly-home | jeremym: just add ,vers=3 to that -fstype=nfs thing |
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| 18:54.55 | jeremym | jagginess, im looking at it directly from the man page on the Debian server. mount -t nfs for nfs3 and mount -t nfs4 for nfs4. The argument following the -t is used to indicate the filesystem type. The filesystem types which are currently supported include: nfs, nfs4 |
| 18:55.08 | jeremym | i took out a lot so i wasnt pasting but thats the part that concerns nfs in man mount |
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| 18:55.14 | jeremym | ok will try that jelly |
| 18:56.31 | jeremym | jelly-home, /home auto.home -nobrowse,vers=3 is what i have in auto.master |
| 18:56.37 | jeremym | thats what you are looking for me to try right? |
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| 18:59.37 | jelly-home | nope |
| 18:59.45 | ballison | can someone tell me why right click copy works for pidgin and firefox for copying to the global (gnome) clipboard BUT selecting text in aterm/xterm does NOT |
| 18:59.47 | jelly-home | -fstype=nfs,vers=3 |
| 18:59.53 | jeremym | and i do appreciate the help guys :) |
| 18:59.57 | jeremym | ah let me try that |
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| 19:01.31 | simonlnu | ballison: two different "clipboards". |
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| 19:01.50 | simonlnu | it's a unix feature that i happen to really like |
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| 19:02.19 | jelly-home | simonlnu: you're weird |
| 19:02.29 | simonlnu | yes i am :) |
| 19:02.41 | engla | unix people have been weirdos since 1970's |
| 19:03.04 | jeremym | when i try "/home auto.home -nobrowse -fstype=nfs,vers=3" and "service restart autofs" I do not get any error messages in /var/log/messages but when i try to connect it does not mount my home directory and instead throws up this Could not chdir to home directory /home/jeremym: No such file or directory |
| 19:03.07 | simonlnu | engla: hehe |
| 19:03.42 | jelly-home | oh well |
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| 19:03.49 | jeremym | which makes sense since it cant mount. let me check the NFS server and see if i get any messages there |
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| 19:04.19 | simonlnu | jelly-home: i use it a *lot* |
| 19:04.38 | simonlnu | hm, tor-sasl just went boink |
| 19:04.44 | jeremym | well jelly-home ty for the help. I will continue to research it. |
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| 19:05.28 | simonlnu | jeremym: try sticking a comma after -nobrowse maybe? |
| 19:05.37 | simonlnu | and all smooshed together |
| 19:06.01 | simonlnu | ...with the other options |
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| 19:17.23 | ac_slater | Hey guys I use apt-cacher to host my package over my network. I know apt-cacher has scripts to move downloaded packages to it's hosting dir, but is there a solid way via dpkg or aptitude to re-download all of your currently installed? I usually do dpkg-get-selections or whatever and loop over that with `aptitude --download-only ` but it feels like there is a better wat |
| 19:17.24 | ac_slater | way* |
| 19:17.41 | ac_slater | currently installed packages* |
| 19:18.06 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 19:18.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
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| 19:20.01 | ac_slater | greycat, I see, not exactly what I want but seems to contain some useful info thanks man |
| 19:20.06 | ac_slater | You prob get asked this all the time |
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| 19:20.22 | greycat | you can add --download-only to some of those solutions, I think |
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| 19:21.18 | greycat | personally I just use a squid proxy on the local network and point all the apts to it |
| 19:22.36 | ac_slater | greycat, Yea I'm looking into that too. Any good references for that? |
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| 19:23.28 | greycat | I don't think you need references... when you install Debian, it asks you whether you want to use a proxy, and you can just type in http://my.proxy.name:3128/ in the box. |
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| 19:27.06 | ac_slater | I mean for setting up squid. Im sure there is stuff somewhere. Thanks man |
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| 20:19.53 | alesan | hi, is it possible to install an older versoin of a lib, like libqt4-dev version 4.7? |
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| 20:21.01 | greycat | version 4.7 is newer than what's in stable. |
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| 20:21.42 | alesan | I don't use stable |
| 20:21.49 | alesan | I'm on wheezy ARMEL |
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| 20:22.07 | [olli] | re ppl.. |
| 20:22.30 | JessicaW | how would you route between two subnets on the same machine? i.e. eth0 192.168.0.5 and eth1 10.10.10.5 |
| 20:22.51 | [olli] | I've intel corei7 cpu - should I download debian ia64 images to unstall? |
| 20:23.12 | JessicaW | the internet is accessible through the 192 subnet and I want to be able to access it through the 10. subnet. |
| 20:23.12 | jelly-home | [olli]: no. amd64, if you want a 64bit OS |
| 20:23.26 | jelly-home | [olli]: yes, amd64 even for an intel cpu |
| 20:23.41 | [olli] | ok, thank you jelly-home. :) |
| 20:24.27 | jelly-home | I'd advise against a 64bit workstation unless you have good reasons to go 64bit |
| 20:24.34 | jelly-home | servers are different |
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| 20:25.00 | greycat | JessicaW: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomment the line that says #net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 20:25.18 | greycat | JessicaW: then either reboot, or do this: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:26.41 | dondelelcaro | with multi-arch, there's pretty much no reason not to use 64bit |
| 20:27.09 | JessicaW | greycat: edited. and echo I get permission denied. |
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| 20:27.25 | greycat | you have to be root |
| 20:27.40 | JessicaW | greycat: I assumed as much. |
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| 20:28.03 | dondelelcaro | JessicaW: you can also just go sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf; instead of echo 1 > .... |
| 20:28.09 | dondelelcaro | but either way works |
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| 20:28.34 | greycat | dondelelcaro: that wasn't on the wiki page that google turned up ;-) |
| 20:28.53 | JessicaW | greycat: ok. got it. still not working. |
| 20:28.56 | WeissLehrer | how do I "apt-cache search" just installed packages? |
| 20:29.06 | dondelelcaro | WeissLehrer: aptitude search '~i...' |
| 20:29.07 | JessicaW | dondelelcaro: tried yours too. |
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| 20:29.32 | dondelelcaro | JessicaW: it'll work if you're root; what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say? |
| 20:29.34 | greycat | JessicaW: you remembered to set the default gateway of the other 10.* machines to 10.10.10.5 ? |
| 20:29.41 | JessicaW | it looks like the file is updated and sysctrl updated but, I still can't ping out from the machine behind eth1 |
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| 20:30.39 | JessicaW | greycat: the other machine is dhcp. shouldn't the gateway be there by default? |
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| 20:31.33 | greycat | Then you may need to configure your DHCP service. |
| 20:32.13 | Tramp | greycat: she still has to either masquerade on eth0 or add a route back for the 10.whatever subnet on the external router |
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| 20:32.29 | Tramp | that's what usually gets forgotten |
| 20:32.39 | greycat | oh... masquerading... yeah, it's been several years since I did this on a Linux system |
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| 20:32.49 | JessicaW | http://paste.debian.net/plain/199237 |
| 20:32.53 | JessicaW | route -n |
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| 20:33.23 | JessicaW | ok. so I need to huh? |
| 20:33.30 | frikinz_xm | is masquerading routing? |
| 20:33.30 | JessicaW | masquerade on eth0 |
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| 20:33.53 | n1md4 | Hi there. Can anyone help with a preseed question? I'd like to pass an installer argument to assign a static IP. Is that possible? |
| 20:34.05 | Tramp | frikinz_xm: no. Masquerading is a from of source-nat |
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| 20:34.26 | greycat | masquerading is essentially the same as "network address translation" |
| 20:34.31 | frikinz_xm | i know . she asked for routing |
| 20:34.48 | JessicaW | I have a cluster that has a head node with on 172.0.0.40 on eth0 and all the compute nodes are behind eth1 on 10.10.10 addresses. I'm trying to get the compute nodes to be able to talk to the 172 network. |
| 20:35.15 | greycat | NAT/masquerading is definitely what you want here |
| 20:35.22 | mhz | with real routing or nat? |
| 20:35.30 | JessicaW | if I statically assign an IP address to eth1 and connect to the network, neither connection works. |
| 20:35.32 | greycat | it's 10.* so it's NAT |
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| 20:35.35 | mhz | no its not |
| 20:35.43 | mhz | you can route 10 internaly just fine |
| 20:35.43 | JessicaW | become pingable but can not ssh in. |
| 20:36.04 | JessicaW | do I need to actually do this on the router? |
| 20:36.27 | greycat | JessicaW: in addition to the 2 things you've already done, you also need to enable masquerading, which I don't remember how to do |
| 20:36.28 | frikinz_xm | yeah private adress are not routable on border router not private router |
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| 20:36.50 | n1md4 | JessicaW: I think it might be this http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 20:37.11 | mhz | yeah, well, of course not, they are internal address spaces |
| 20:37.18 | mhz | but they are completely routable internaly |
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| 20:37.38 | mhz | 10 192 and some of 172 i route all over my network here with ospf |
| 20:38.08 | greycat | 172.0 is not private. 172.16-31 are. |
| 20:38.17 | mhz | that's why i said some |
| 20:38.19 | mhz | feel free to read |
| 20:38.42 | mhz | but since this is a cluster , i'd probably go with the head node doing nat , yeah |
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| 20:39.14 | themill | .o0( just because it's irc doesn't mean you have to turn everything into an argument ) |
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| 20:41.02 | JessicaW | n1md4: well... that was totally it. |
| 20:41.12 | JessicaW | n1md4: how would I reverse that? |
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| 20:42.13 | multi_io | hm, so "aptitude remove <package>" does NOT remove automatically installed dependencies of <package>? |
| 20:42.26 | multi_io | what does? |
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| 20:42.55 | dkr | the same thing with the appropriate options set |
| 20:43.04 | n1md4 | JessicaW: reboot :) |
| 20:43.19 | n1md4 | this is all very manual. |
| 20:43.20 | Sevet | multi_io: aptitude autoremove |
| 20:43.30 | n1md4 | JessicaW: iptables-save > foo |
| 20:43.34 | JessicaW | n1md4: works good enough for now. |
| 20:43.35 | wak3ry2u7u2 | hey guys? |
| 20:43.36 | n1md4 | then make the changes |
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| 20:43.41 | wak3ry2u7u2 | work right facebook? |
| 20:43.53 | n1md4 | then you have a backup iptable-restore < foo if you need it. |
| 20:43.59 | Sevet | 'apt-get autoremove' even |
| 20:44.25 | n1md4 | hmm there is a file to drop iptable rules in permanently, i can't remember where it is. |
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| 20:45.17 | themill | multi_io: it does remove them if they are unused |
| 20:45.47 | Sevet | n1md4: package iptables-persistent |
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| 20:50.11 | simonlnu | wak3ry2u7u2: this is Debian support, not facebook support |
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| 20:57.43 | wondiws | hi there |
| 21:00.33 | rindolf | wondiws: hi. |
| 21:00.59 | wondiws | I can't find a XProc tool in the debian distribution, isn't there one? |
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| 21:05.45 | karlpinc | !tell wondiws about search |
| 21:05.58 | karlpinc | wondiws: I like <apt-file> and <debtags>. |
| 21:07.11 | confusid | when using encription on the drive, How do I go about setting partitions I want to use then have the encription setup? I'm waiting for it to finish now but it has auto partitioned the defaults of the drive |
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| 21:08.52 | telmich | good evening, debian |
| 21:09.06 | telmich | thank you very much for support of "source" in /etc/network/interfaces! |
| 21:09.21 | telmich | this is really really great for automatic configuration management (like cdist) - thank you very much! |
| 21:09.29 | telmich | discovered this option just today |
| 21:10.05 | wondiws | karlpinc, I still can't find one, and I'm not talking about XSLTproc by the way |
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| 21:11.48 | ska | Is there a way to get sgdisk and cgdisk in the installer/rescue? I booted off the CD-1=stable |
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| 21:12.33 | ska | Maybe its called GPT. Can the partman utility do a GPT style partitioning? |
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| 21:16.38 | ska | Is there a way to temporarily install the gdisk tools into the install environment? |
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| 21:17.05 | thewanderer1 | no, you need a live CD |
| 21:17.12 | ska | I'm trying to practice working with large 3TB disks for an install next week. |
| 21:17.30 | ska | thewanderer1: The CD1 is not a live-cd? |
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| 21:17.58 | thewanderer1 | I don't think so |
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| 21:18.14 | ska | Is there a live debian disk+installer? |
| 21:18.40 | ska | Ok, google... |
| 21:19.05 | thewanderer1 | isn't Debian-Installer capable of creating GPT, anyway? |
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| 21:19.23 | jhutchins | I thought that as of squeeze, all of the full installer disks also worked as live disks, but that may only be DVDs. |
| 21:19.48 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: I don't think so, does it use parted? |
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| 21:20.43 | ska | jhutchins: I burned CD1 of squeeze onto my flash drive and booted it into rescue mode. |
| 21:21.05 | ska | It works but I'm not sure how to tell Partman to use GPT. Maybe it does auto=magically. |
| 21:21.49 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: I believe it does... I can remember installing on GPT in d-i |
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| 21:22.13 | ska | Wait. there is a separate LIVE cd.. |
| 21:22.17 | thewanderer1 | ska: have you tried expert mode? click on a disk, choose initialize new partition table... there should be a type selection |
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| 21:23.53 | ska | thewanderer1: not yet.. i'll try it.. back to the garage. |
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| 21:31.42 | steve464646 | Hello room, I'm trying to understand the specific differences between <stable> and <testing> |
| 21:31.59 | steve464646 | I'm reading that <testing> receives security updates |
| 21:32.15 | steve464646 | so is the only difference that the *packages* in testing may not be as stable? |
| 21:32.47 | Sevet | no |
| 21:33.01 | Sevet | stable=squeeze testing=wheezy(currently) |
| 21:33.12 | Sevet | it's the next release |
| 21:33.17 | thewanderer1 | steve464646: the whole *release* is not stable - versions may change, APIs can break, functionality can appear and disappear |
| 21:33.32 | thewanderer1 | while testing is frozen now, this should happen less, but still breakage is to be expected |
| 21:33.40 | peterrooney | dpkg: testing |
| 21:33.40 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 21:34.13 | steve464646 | thanks a lot guys, appreciate it |
| 21:34.15 | peterrooney | basicly, testing is what the debian project is currently testing as a potential release |
| 21:34.24 | steve464646 | it was sounding like there was NO downside to using <testing> |
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| 21:34.50 | steve464646 | I'm sorry for not being more clear, by <testing> I meant to say <Wheezy> |
| 21:34.53 | Sevet | also lenny,squeeze,wheezy,jessie are release names, stable,testing are essentially symlinks to the current stable and current testing |
| 21:34.54 | steve464646 | in this case |
| 21:34.55 | peterrooney | steve464646: according to who was there no downside? |
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| 21:35.04 | Sevet | so when wheezy is released it'll become stable and jessie'll become testing |
| 21:35.16 | steve464646 | peter, i'm actually looking at the debian-faq |
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| 21:36.07 | steve464646 | Are any of you running gnome shell? |
| 21:36.14 | Sevet | the downside is there may be things that don't work quite right or break on updates, so unless you're well versed in linux/debian you may have trouble fixing things |
| 21:36.29 | steve464646 | thanks sevet |
| 21:36.47 | thewanderer1 | I'm on GNOME3, why? |
| 21:36.52 | steve464646 | For *debian* I've only used Squeeze thus far and have not had a single hiccup |
| 21:37.19 | steve464646 | thewanderer, i also *read* (for what that's worth) that gnome shell is less-resource intensive than Gnome 2 |
| 21:37.50 | thewanderer1 | I don't think so |
| 21:37.51 | steve464646 | I run Squeeze on a little netbook and it is SUCH a good match for this machine, but would be very excited about making it even a little snappier |
| 21:38.15 | thewanderer1 | for me, GNOME3 is usually slower... it might use less RAM, but CPU and graphics usage is definitely higher |
| 21:38.20 | thewanderer1 | not recommended on netbooks |
| 21:38.30 | steve464646 | ahhh |
| 21:38.36 | steve464646 | so are you running this on top of wheezy then? |
| 21:38.42 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 21:39.03 | steve464646 | Do you think debian will still support gnome2 when Wheezy is relased? |
| 21:39.12 | jelly-home | steve464646: it won't |
| 21:39.22 | steve464646 | interesting |
| 21:39.32 | thewanderer1 | it does not. there are no GNOME2 packages in Wheezy. |
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| 21:39.51 | thewanderer1 | Xfce4 is pretty close to the GNOME2 experience though, if you configure it correctly |
| 21:40.09 | steve464646 | yeah that's what i'm thinking about doing on top of wheezy |
| 21:40.25 | steve464646 | I have become SUCH a fanboy of debian after having it on this netbook |
| 21:40.52 | steve464646 | So, my last question |
| 21:41.10 | steve464646 | *Should* the wheezy repositories have most of the same packages in newer versions |
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| 21:41.20 | steve464646 | I know some packages are dropped in subsequent releases, etc |
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| 21:41.30 | steve464646 | but something common like guake or brasero |
| 21:41.59 | thewanderer1 | you can always check on packages.debian.org |
| 21:42.04 | Sevet | versions should never go down, sometimes packages get dropped if there's a problem |
| 21:42.28 | Sevet | otherwise they shouldn't normally disappear. whether they're updated depends on how active the package maintainer(s) are |
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| 21:43.15 | thewanderer1 | packages get dropped if they have too many bugs |
| 21:43.25 | Sevet | 'a problem' ;) |
| 21:43.27 | thewanderer1 | (without anybody fixing them, that is) |
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| 21:43.55 | steve464646 | well - this is strange. I just read on the FAQ that 'testing' receives security updates, but here on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages it says "Noe that 'testing' does not get the timely security updates from the security team" |
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| 21:44.15 | steve464646 | thewanderer, do you worry about security |
| 21:44.23 | steve464646 | or like take some extra hardening precuations |
| 21:44.27 | Sevet | security updates are applied to stable first, since that's what most people should be running |
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| 21:45.04 | Sevet | they're then later applied to testing too (which isn't always trivial as it might not be the same version) - but not necessarily immediately |
| 21:45.08 | Sevet | so 'timely' is the key word |
| 21:45.22 | steve464646 | ahh okay |
| 21:45.46 | Sevet | my advice: run stable unless you want to play/test with testing |
| 21:46.01 | steve464646 | yeah my only real interest is having more recent packages and helping with testing |
| 21:46.03 | shicy | Sevet, sid doesn't have any security updates? |
| 21:46.09 | Sevet | if there is a package or version you want that's not in stable, it may be in squeeze-backports |
| 21:46.09 | steve464646 | filing bug reports and stuff |
| 21:46.22 | themill | shicy: no |
| 21:46.31 | Sevet | so try squeeze w/ backports before testing |
| 21:47.01 | steve464646 | wow cool i had heard that term but not really looked into it |
| 21:47.05 | shicy | woohoooo, that means i'm living on the edge :D |
| 21:47.06 | steve464646 | this might be exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 21:47.16 | TheWarden | how does one create an .xauthority file? |
| 21:48.01 | Sevet | shicy: sid isn't really meant for running as your main system. the security problems would be fixed, just not as urgent updates |
| 21:48.25 | thewanderer1 | steve464646: common sense is my way of dealing with security... |
| 21:48.39 | specing | just run Gentoo, problem solved. |
| 21:48.49 | Sevet | !tell TheWarden about xauthority |
| 21:49.43 | steve464646 | yeah thewanderer, i'm not really sure what kind of security risks inherently exist on *any* linux machine |
| 21:50.13 | steve464646 | I'm not really sure what I'd be open to if i was running some kind of testing distro |
| 21:50.26 | shicy | thanks Sevet , i've been switching for few months from Wheezy to sid and back :D |
| 21:50.34 | steve464646 | I'm not going to outrageous websites or hosting weird stuff on the machine |
| 21:50.42 | TheWarden | Sevet: Thanks but I don't have a .Xauthority file. Doing xauth merge /home/kiosk/.Xauthority returns "xauth: (argv):1: merge: unable to open file /home/kiosk/.Xauthority". |
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| 21:51.14 | simonlnu | TheWarden: that's a "no such file or directory" thing |
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| 21:51.48 | thewanderer1 | steve464646: if you keep your system updated, about the only thing that can affect you is things that you do yourself... running random programs from the Web, trusting that stuff is what it claims to be |
| 21:52.12 | Sevet | steve464646: the main risks are the same as any windows machine... downloading viruses/malware (although much lower risk since most target windows), and exploitable bugs on any running publically accessable services eg dns/web/database/etc server |
| 21:52.24 | TheWarden | simonlnu: yup, I don't have such a file. I need to create one from scratch and I don't know how nor know what this file is. I believe it has something to do with X permissions. |
| 21:52.37 | simonlnu | you can with xauth |
| 21:52.43 | themill | TheWarden: you were using gdm3 weren't you? |
| 21:52.51 | steve464646 | right yeah i'm not hosting anything on this and usually only install anything through aptitude (aside from maybe firefox or something) |
| 21:52.56 | steve464646 | maybe i'll give wheezy a try |
| 21:52.56 | simonlnu | it handles access to the x server, simply. |
| 21:52.56 | TheWarden | simonlnu: okay and then do what with it? no clue what I need to enter. |
| 21:53.02 | TheWarden | themill: yes gdm3 with LXDE |
| 21:53.11 | simonlnu | that's what a man page is for |
| 21:53.13 | Sevet | TheWarden: try xauth generate, see man xauth |
| 21:54.21 | TheWarden | Sevet: okay, I'll take a read again. |
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| 21:55.20 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:0888 |
| 21:55.21 | judd | [8086:0888] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0888 |
| 21:55.29 | jelly-home | judd: boo hiss |
| 21:55.29 | themill | TheWarden: gdm has already generated your xauth, you just need to get the credentials |
| 21:55.33 | simonlnu | wtf |
| 21:55.42 | themill | ask about it in sid or squeeze-backports |
| 21:55.51 | themill | ,pciid 8086:0888 --release sid |
| 21:55.52 | TheWarden | is there a tutorial online some where about this? This doesn't make much sense to me. I've never done this before. |
| 21:55.52 | judd | [8086:0888] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0888 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 21:56.09 | simonlnu | ah |
| 21:56.19 | TheWarden | themill: oh well okay. no clue how that would be done. I've never had to deal with this before. |
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| 21:56.22 | themill | (ata_generic and snd-hda-intel have silly wildcard matches on their pciids which makes them silly) |
| 21:56.37 | jelly-home | ah |
| 21:56.39 | simonlnu | silly silly silly |
| 21:56.51 | jelly-home | from the dept of silly walking |
| 21:57.01 | simonlnu | "walk this way" |
| 21:57.07 | jelly-home | (walking the pci bus that is) |
| 21:57.24 | themill | I'm sure it makes sense to someone other than me. (they do VID + device class not VID+DID which is what judd is doing) |
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| 21:57.36 | simonlnu | "quick! catch that electron, it ran off with my positron!" |
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| 21:58.15 | simonlnu | "fateful love" |
| 21:58.20 | TheWarden | mm I did xauth generate :0 I don't see an .Xauthority file nor did it give me an error. |
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| 22:01.51 | steve464646 | is anyone here a package maintainer? |
| 22:02.06 | tharkun | I need to telnet into an http server and get a page from it? Can it be done? |
| 22:02.21 | steve464646 | tharkun, maybe use links/lynx |
| 22:02.28 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: yes |
| 22:02.29 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: of course you can |
| 22:02.39 | tharkun | steve464646: curl, wget and many others but using telnet how can it be done |
| 22:02.39 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: telnet foohost 80; GET /; for example. |
| 22:02.45 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:02.58 | dondelelcaro | if you need to talk more than HTTP1.0, it's more complicated, but then, if you want something more complicated, use curl. |
| 22:03.22 | steve464646 | pimps |
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| 22:03.27 | Sevet | tharkun: GET /url/to/page?a=b HTTP/1.0[enter]HOST: www.domain.com[enter][enter] |
| 22:03.29 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: some investigating protocol with the isp. 1.0 will be fine |
| 22:03.37 | dondelelcaro | steve464646: what is your question? |
| 22:03.57 | steve464646 | my question is how one could get started being a package maintainer |
| 22:04.09 | steve464646 | i LOVE debian so much and don't just want to 'get a free lunch' |
| 22:04.28 | Sevet | !tell steve464646 about nmg |
| 22:04.33 | Sevet | !tell steve464646 about mentors |
| 22:04.52 | dondelelcaro | steve464646: beyond what the bot told you; you basically can just get started fixing bugs and filing patches for them |
| 22:05.22 | dondelelcaro | steve464646: if there's a package that you use that needs help, help out with it. Eventually you can become a maintainer, and then eventually a developer. |
| 22:05.22 | Sevet | !tell steve464646 about bts |
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| 22:06.03 | steve464646 | I'm a relatively early-game CS student - mostly just experienced with java, are most packages written in C? |
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| 22:06.10 | themill | steve464646: there are lots of bugs that want some love right now. You could run "rc-alert" to see release critical bugs in packages that you currently have installed (hence might be more interested in) |
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| 22:06.41 | dondelelcaro | steve464646: they're written in lots of different languages; C is probably the most common, though. |
| 22:06.53 | thewanderer1 | lots of Python too, some Perl |
| 22:06.56 | steve464646 | very cool, thanks a lot guys |
| 22:07.02 | specing | No java :D |
| 22:07.13 | specing | And we should keep it this way. |
| 22:07.20 | steve464646 | I really really really really really like Debian and would love to be able to give back to it |
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| 22:07.26 | dondelelcaro | specing: there's lots of java too, actually. |
| 22:07.36 | specing | Not on my machines ;D |
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| 22:07.41 | ratcheer | steve464646: Debian FTW |
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| 22:08.07 | steve464646 | yeah it's like everyone takes all of debian's hard work and tries to make it look nicer or add little fancy stuff on it |
| 22:08.13 | Sevet | some packages might not even be in a language at all, it all depends on what's packaged :) |
| 22:08.17 | steve464646 | but i have NEVER seen this kind of stability out of any operating system |
| 22:08.18 | specing | there wouldn't be any java software out there if it wasn't forced upon CS students! |
| 22:08.56 | steve464646 | yeah I'm aleady getting started with Python as well and after that will be onto C or C++ |
| 22:09.09 | Sevet | managed to do a CS course where he never had to write a single line of java :) |
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| 22:09.19 | TheWarden | well I guess I'm the dumb one here with no response but I did a just in the dark and did "xauth generate :0 . trusted" and it doesn't work. I get "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxauth: (argv):1: unable to open display ":0".". |
| 22:09.49 | Sevet | closest i came was a real time systems course where they went 'by the way there's java for realtime, but we prefer ada so moving on' |
| 22:09.53 | steve464646 | sorry man wish I could help |
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| 22:10.33 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: xauth has to be able to connect to the server in order to generate the authentication key. What are you trying to do? |
| 22:10.47 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: in case you're wondering, gdm3 puts those in some weird directory in /var, I think |
| 22:11.10 | specing | Sevet: remember the jazelle fail? :D |
| 22:11.47 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: honestly I have no idea. I was just told that i need an XAUTHOIRTY file as I can even run xclock from cron. not sure if that is accurate or not. |
| 22:12.00 | themill | TheWarden: you need to be exporting your credentials from the logged in session not generating a new one |
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| 22:12.03 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: oh, okay well not sure if that would help me. |
| 22:12.26 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: what would help you is stop running X stuff from cron |
| 22:12.31 | TheWarden | themill: well how can one merge when I don't know of any other XAUTHORITY file to do so? |
| 22:12.48 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well I don't know of any other way in do this. |
| 22:13.05 | Sevet | vaguely, never went near it |
| 22:13.08 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: and from what I've been told this is possible just stuck on this dang xauthority |
| 22:13.11 | themill | TheWarden: you don't need to know where the file is if you xauth extract from within an X session |
| 22:13.13 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: I've seen you do PHP, right? you can write a cron daemon in PHP and make it run at session startup |
| 22:13.23 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: is the user that you're trying to run stuff as currently logged into X? |
| 22:13.50 | TheWarden | themill: well according to the merge statement I gave it didn't work as it couldn't locate it |
| 22:14.07 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: for some reason telnet failed. They accepted curl. Thanks again |
| 22:14.16 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: np |
| 22:14.27 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: you can definitely use telnet, but you have to have the syntax exactly right |
| 22:14.34 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yeah. to start VLC? I tried do a vlc.desktop but didn't work. |
| 22:14.39 | themill | TheWarden: where did you run that from? |
| 22:14.43 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:14.50 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: then what are the chances it would work from cron? ... |
| 22:14.58 | TheWarden | themill: with in X through lxterminal. |
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| 22:16.09 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well that's what I'm trying to figure out. trying to solve the issue as it suppose to be possible. I can load other process like x11vnc and a PHP script but as soon as I try to load xclock or VLC it doesn't go. One way I'm being told I can do this and then another I'm being told I can't so I dunno. |
| 22:16.53 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: xclock doesn't run from a .desktop file? |
| 22:16.55 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I can run xclock or anything via lxterminal so one should be able to do the same via cron or after a X session login. |
| 22:16.59 | themill | TheWarden: should work fine... I don't know why you're merging though |
| 22:17.50 | jagginess | TheWarden, chmod +x that .desktop file.. |
| 22:17.53 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: its a shortcut file that is loaded at X session login. It does work. I'm just saying if I load VLC via a script I need to be able to start it again in case it dies. |
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| 22:18.22 | TheWarden | themill: well not sure how else to get this info you say. |
| 22:18.23 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: I know. that is why you should create a custom launcher that will watch the process and restart it in case it does. |
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| 22:18.44 | themill | TheWarden: I think we should be having full commands and output in pastebins.... "it didn't work", "there was an error" is never going to get us very far |
| 22:19.12 | TheWarden | jagginess: it doesn't require execute permissions. I'm refering to a .desktop file located in ~/.config/autostart/. Anyways trying to keep this simple with xclock to figure this out. |
| 22:19.42 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: ok, next step, does launching VLC work from .desktop? |
| 22:19.49 | TheWarden | themill: dude I've been posted the error messages I've gotten about xauth. I have clue how to get those generate stuff in the xauthority. |
| 22:19.54 | thewanderer1 | another step will be building a launcher/watcher to manage this |
| 22:20.01 | themill | TheWarden: but not the commands... |
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| 22:20.14 | jagginess | TheWarden, i would look at the xhost + command as well since it's old x apps |
| 22:20.20 | themill | TheWarden: when the problem is with the command, just seeing the error message isn't helpful |
| 22:20.30 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I would have to reboot and see again. I believe I did have it work but not in the context I need via the script. |
| 22:20.52 | TheWarden | jagginess: yes let me try that again |
| 22:21.06 | jagginess | TheWarden, contrary to logic, a .desktop file on a Desktop needs chmod +x |
| 22:21.26 | tharkun | TheWarden: If it is a daemon it will normally log somewhere. logs are your friends |
| 22:21.27 | TheWarden | themill: well what else can I provide? I gave the command and the error. when I don't know jack about xauthority it's can of hard to give more unless I'm told what is wanted. |
| 22:21.43 | TheWarden | jagginess: yes true but I just stated that I'm not talking about such a file. |
| 22:21.55 | TheWarden | :-( |
| 22:22.12 | TheWarden | xauth generate kiosk-desktop:0 trusted |
| 22:22.19 | jagginess | TheWarden, you mention the etc xdg autostart path, that would contain .desktop files.. dunno if you added something there manually |
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| 22:22.27 | TheWarden | xauth: (argv):1: unable to open display "kiosk-desktop:0". |
| 22:22.28 | themill | TheWarden: generate is not right... we've been through this |
| 22:22.41 | TheWarden | xauth generate :0 trusted |
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| 22:22.48 | TheWarden | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxauth: (argv):1: unable to open display ":0". |
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| 22:23.02 | TheWarden | give what I have. |
| 22:23.08 | TheWarden | giving what I have( |
| 22:23.10 | TheWarden | giving* |
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| 22:23.42 | TheWarden | jagginess: no no, the user ~/.config/autostart/ |
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| 22:24.13 | jagginess | TheWarden, same thing may apply.. you should check it, btw there must be gui apps to add stuff to that path |
| 22:24.44 | TheWarden | jagginess: I tried it is very limited. I just create the files myself manually. |
| 22:24.56 | TheWarden | either way I need to make it work manually first before going and automating something. |
| 22:25.44 | TheWarden | xhost + |
| 22:25.50 | TheWarden | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxhost: unable to open display ":0" |
| 22:25.51 | thewanderer1 | so did you get VLC to start in remote mode yet? |
| 22:25.58 | thewanderer1 | from a .desktop, that is |
| 22:26.31 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: it always has manually with the exception with VLC 2.0.3 can get it to do much. which is what I have installed now. |
| 22:27.13 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: it works just doing VLC as the command. but then when that point comes if it does that VLC dies I need a script to check for the process and then restart but I can't restart it presently as it won't let me do so. |
| 22:27.32 | thewanderer1 | ok... and what happens if you launch it from a script that .desktop points to? |
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| 22:28.09 | themill | there's a reasonable chance that your xauth generate has overwritten your MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE now and no X apps will work |
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| 22:28.30 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: to be honest I don't recall anymore. I would imagine the same results as this, https://gist.github.com/05776450bb9b28f67c2a |
| 22:28.58 | TheWarden | themill: maybe no clue what is going on with this xauthority. still searching for answers on how to do this. |
| 22:29.01 | thewanderer1 | ok, so assume it does launch correctly |
| 22:29.15 | thewanderer1 | now all you need to do is wrap the execution in a bash while ... true loop, and it's done |
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| 22:29.45 | thewanderer1 | also I put the ... not where I intended to :P |
| 22:29.59 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yeah I tried that I had the same issues though oh and when I SSH into the system it started another instance. |
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| 22:30.26 | jagginess | anyways, anyone trying out the latest wheezy testing installer? it has as neat speech-synth option that does speech on text output |
| 22:30.36 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: define same issues |
| 22:30.49 | jagginess | ,(upon install) |
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| 22:31.08 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: one I did the one part, and the same issue as in I can't get VLC to run via the script. |
| 22:31.25 | markit | hi, any english speaker that can help me? "Earlier Today" means today but some time before now, or a day before today? |
| 22:31.36 | jagginess | markit, lol |
| 22:31.36 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: what error message does it yield? |
| 22:31.45 | markit | (one or some days before today) |
| 22:31.47 | jagginess | markit, you should listen to the Beattles sing "Yesterday" |
| 22:31.59 | themill | markit: earlier the same day; there's a ##english on this irc network too |
| 22:32.17 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: not sure so many changes now. I would have to re-run it again to see. I have the startvlc.sh script I wrote to start VLC and keep it running. Just not sure how to make it only run one instance of VLC when you start an X session. |
| 22:32.18 | jagginess | listens to the beattles sing Yesterday |
| 22:32.23 | markit | themill: oh, ignored that channel, thans |
| 22:32.41 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: well, don't run other instances of VLC from the same script? |
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| 22:33.04 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: it wouldn't work now anyways as I can't run X applications now. Something with the xauthority. no clue how to fix it. |
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| 22:33.25 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: no, it *would* work, but you need to run it under X, not from cron! |
| 22:33.27 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: true but it ran as I said when I ssh in. It shouldn't do that. |
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| 22:34.04 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay listen, I cant even run xclock right now within X or gedit or any X app now. |
| 22:34.29 | thewanderer1 | because you are not running it under an X session |
| 22:34.46 | jagginess | TheWarden, you trying to run xeyes through ssh? |
| 22:34.57 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: trying to learn how to create an xauthority file but can't find a tutorial and man doesn't tell me much unless you understand what it is to input. |
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| 22:35.32 | TheWarden | jagginess: no I'm in lxterminal running xclock or just clicking on say gedit doesn't work. xeyes via lxterminal gives me "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: Can't open display: :0". |
| 22:35.52 | TheWarden | for something so important as it appears there sure is very little information on the subject |
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| 22:36.15 | thewanderer1 | I think you need to backtrace and start this with a clean view, there is too many things distracting you right now |
| 22:36.49 | thewanderer1 | define exactly what you want to do, how you want to do it, and debug along the way, but do not try everything at the same time |
| 22:37.44 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I agree, but I'm being told two different things and never ending up at a end resulting of something working. Assuming people know what they are talking about this issue can not be resolved until xauthority file is created. so that has to come first. |
| 22:37.55 | unname | how can i remove entries from grub? |
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| 22:38.36 | TheWarden | okay a reboot fixed it. |
| 22:38.52 | TheWarden | xclock and xeyes work again via lxterminal |
| 22:39.04 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: you have two ways, re-using an existing file or forcing X to give you a new one |
| 22:39.20 | thewanderer1 | do you log in via gdm3? |
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| 22:39.21 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: yeah no clue how to do that. |
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| 22:39.32 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: auto login via gdm3. |
| 22:39.44 | thewanderer1 | so a little explanation is due |
| 22:39.59 | thewanderer1 | if you are logged in, open a terminal and `echo $XAUTHORITY` |
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| 22:40.37 | jagginess | TheWarden, xeyes works here under lxdeterminal |
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| 22:40.59 | TheWarden | jagginess: okay, well I just stated that it works for me to after a reboot. |
| 22:41.04 | thewanderer1 | this will tell you that gdm3 does indeed create the file, but it puts it in an unpredictable, non-standard place |
| 22:41.23 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I did the echo and got "/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-kiosk-0NX5o6/database" |
| 22:41.29 | thewanderer1 | okay |
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| 22:41.39 | thewanderer1 | so now you have two ways to approach this |
| 22:41.40 | TheWarden | my understand is that place chnages each time as well but not positive. |
| 22:41.46 | thewanderer1 | yes, it does |
| 22:42.07 | thewanderer1 | since environmental variables are inherited in child processes, the easiest way to pass this path down is using an autostart script under your desktop environment |
| 22:42.21 | thewanderer1 | this way, your desktop will spawn the process, and XAUTHORITY will be set in the child |
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| 22:43.20 | TheWarden | ahh okay. so I'm copying info from /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-kiosk-0NX5o6/database to ~/.Xauthority? |
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| 22:43.50 | thewanderer1 | well, you could do that, but you don't have to, since you already know the path |
| 22:44.02 | thewanderer1 | so you may as well run with the env variable set, and programs will pick it up |
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| 22:44.30 | thewanderer1 | so if you start a daemon from the .desktop file, it (and its child processes) will have access to the display |
| 22:44.39 | TheWarden | huh? I thought in order to fix VLC I need to have an .Xauthority file. so your saying I don't need one? |
| 22:44.52 | TheWarden | mmm |
| 22:45.04 | thewanderer1 | you do not, as long as gdm has created and set XAUTHORITY env variable properly |
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| 22:47.12 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I'm trying it again and I'll give you the results. |
| 22:48.17 | jagginess | TheWarden, your logon manager takes care of that for you.. |
| 22:48.33 | TheWarden | jagginess: I see |
| 22:48.46 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: still not sure why cron wouldn't then be able to see it but okay. |
| 22:49.02 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I have VLC running at startup now. Its suppose to be playing a video but nothing is playing. |
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| 22:49.53 | jagginess | does the magic-cookie trick with Cookie monster's Authorization so he can play movies on startup :) |
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| 22:50.32 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: well, maybe you have not specified a playlist for it... |
| 22:50.37 | thewanderer1 | brb |
| 22:51.56 | TheWarden | TheWarden: nope I told it what to play. this is the log https://gist.github.com/2449f99dbb9ae5f62e3b |
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| 22:52.12 | jagginess | lol.. TheWarden speaks to HIMSELF!!! |
| 22:52.29 | TheWarden | jagginess: ha ha |
| 22:52.29 | thewanderer1 | that happens when nicks disappear... |
| 22:52.36 | jagginess | thewanderer1 was saved by the quick quit button |
| 22:52.51 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: what I have just done is create an autostart file vlc.desktop, make it point at a bash script "while true; do vlc; done", chmod +x that script, logged in |
| 22:53.11 | thewanderer1 | and I have vlc running now, which gets restarted every time I close its window |
| 22:53.36 | nsadmin | unname, debian has parts working with grub, specifically to put ehtries for kernels into grub.cfg |
| 22:53.45 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I have that and it is started but isn't play the file I told it to play. I think something is wrong with this VLC version 2.0.3. I can't even open a file manually and play it... let me try that again. |
| 22:53.52 | nsadmin | unname, you can uninstall some kernels |
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| 22:54.13 | thewanderer1 | I'm on 2.0.3 too, I'll check... |
| 22:54.45 | thewanderer1 | brb :P |
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| 22:55.46 | TheWarden | mmm can't even killall vlc |
| 22:56.06 | tharkun | Does check_sender_access accept sqlite tables? |
| 22:56.22 | tharkun | duh wrong channel |
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| 22:57.03 | jagginess | duh indeed you shmuck |
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| 22:57.05 | jagginess | :) |
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| 22:57.42 | TheWarden | odd even kill process_id doesn't work |
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| 22:58.01 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: now I have vlc play music when I log on... |
| 22:58.03 | abrotman | kill the parent? |
| 22:58.05 | jagginess | TheWarden, kill the script's id. |
| 22:58.24 | TheWarden | jagginess: oh crap of course |
| 22:58.34 | jagginess | lol |
| 22:58.42 | thewanderer1 | funny things can happen if vlc decides to return from the main thread sooner than expected |
| 22:58.58 | TheWarden | woah nope that didn't work. |
| 22:59.10 | jagginess | " |
| 22:59.11 | jagginess | <thewanderer1> TheWarden: what I have just done is create an autostart file vlc.desktop, make it point at a bash script "while true; do vlc; done", chmod +x that script, logged in" |
| 22:59.15 | jagginess | ^ hehe.. of course |
| 22:59.15 | TheWarden | vlc is still running as a process can't kill it even though the partent startvlc.sh is killed. |
| 22:59.34 | thewanderer1 | jagginess: well what? works for me :P |
| 22:59.36 | abrotman | and that PPID is Xorg? |
| 22:59.50 | TheWarden | jagginess: if I killed the script how can it continue to start it over again? |
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| 23:01.19 | TheWarden | well maybe just down grade back to suggested version in Debian of 1.1.4 I think it was. |
| 23:01.29 | thewanderer1 | 2.0.3 works for me... |
| 23:01.31 | TheWarden | can't get it to play videos... in 2.0.3 |
| 23:01.45 | thewanderer1 | oh well, only tried with music, sorry |
| 23:02.09 | thewanderer1 | at least now you know it's a vlc problem, not an X problem or a problem with the launcher |
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| 23:03.59 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well just one thing though doing it this method now will spawn multiple VLC instances when connecting in via SSH. I'll try again to see if that happens. |
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| 23:06.40 | McLovin926 | anyone feel like helping me with a conky entry? |
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| 23:08.03 | solidus-river1 | for adding a package to a repo via reprepro does it have to be in .deb for or can it be in non-packaged form? |
| 23:08.56 | jagginess | McLovin926, comeon mclovin, doesn't take a donkey to understand conky :) |
| 23:09.56 | McLovin926 | well, I understand conky, why don't you let me ask before you start callimg me an idiot basically, I need to figure out how to change an execbar inti lua rings entry |
| 23:10.09 | McLovin926 | into a lua ring* |
| 23:10.11 | jagginess | well you have no sense of humor.. ok donkey :) |
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| 23:10.45 | TheWarden | odd okay one one process of VLC now. strange. |
| 23:11.17 | McLovin926 | I need to figure out to change ${execbar amixer sget Master | grep 16 | cut -c 22-24} into a lua ring for my conky |
| 23:11.18 | dysoco | Can I get the Network Install to fetch the Testing repo packages so I don't have to update the whole thing after? |
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| 23:13.17 | solidus-river1 | i'm usin dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 23:13.23 | solidus-river1 | but it still errors because i don't have a changelog |
| 23:13.26 | jagginess | maybe he needs execpi instead |
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| 23:16.17 | nsadmin | solidus-river1, and what I think is a possibility for you is |
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| 23:16.28 | nsadmin | solidus-river1, make a changelog |
| 23:17.10 | nsadmin | solidus-river1, is the software you're packaging something you're going to distribute? |
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| 23:17.52 | solidus-river1 | no, we have a local apt repo i want to add it to, so i guess i need to make a debian director, a control, copyright, changelog, and rules for all the packages i want to add then build them |
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| 23:18.05 | solidus-river1 | then commit that with reprepro, correct? |
| 23:18.34 | nsadmin | I know aboutr some of that, not all |
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| 23:18.53 | nsadmin | will you need a debian dir? yes, all pacakges have one |
| 23:19.21 | nsadmin | anything about repropro, I dunno :) |
| 23:19.51 | nsadmin | if the software is gpl that legally requires a changelog... |
| 23:20.06 | nsadmin | you will need debian/control |
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| 23:20.27 | nsadmin | and debian/rules is required for building the package |
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| 23:20.47 | solidus-river1 | yeah i'm reading up on the rules |
| 23:21.00 | solidus-river1 | i'm confused, its a python package so it doesnt have any build steps or architecture specific things |
| 23:21.32 | nsadmin | so maybe you just need to copy stuff |
| 23:21.38 | solidus-river1 | so for build and clean i guess i do nothing, then i do nothing for binary binary-arch binary-inep |
| 23:21.51 | tryy3|Coding | hi i know iam not supposed to use root account cuz its dangerous, but if i make a new account should i give it any permissions or something? |
| 23:22.00 | nsadmin | is this a python module? |
| 23:22.09 | solidus-river1 | yeah |
| 23:22.17 | solidus-river1 | so all i really have to do is copy the module into dist-files |
| 23:22.24 | solidus-river1 | but i need to make sure i do it for the riht version of python |
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| 23:22.38 | solidus-river1 | does apt have anything built in where i can say copy it to the python2.X dist-files dir |
| 23:22.49 | solidus-river1 | so they can use it with 2.X version of python |
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| 23:23.08 | nsadmin | now for -perl-, I know they have this thing that downloads perl module source, builds it (in case there are C sources) and builds a package for it |
| 23:23.19 | nsadmin | one command, does all that |
| 23:23.35 | nsadmin | the reason I bring it up, is there might be something like this for python |
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| 23:24.13 | nsadmin | if so, it will automatically generate debian/ changelog copyright rules control |
| 23:24.26 | nsadmin | as part of building the whole package |
| 23:24.35 | themill | solidus-river1: you should be using dh_python2 for this |
| 23:24.52 | nsadmin | oh yay! that's the autogenerator! |
| 23:25.10 | solidus-river1 | themill: ? |
| 23:25.32 | nsadmin | solidus-river1, that thing at least debianizes the module source tree |
| 23:25.40 | themill | solidus-river1: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging |
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| 23:26.58 | themill | solidus-river1: that wiki page gives a good overview of how to build a python package; the new maintainer's guide has more details about packaging and would be worthwhile you reading too although some steps will be a bit too autotools-centric for what you are doing now. |
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| 23:27.53 | solidus-river1 | oy there isn't even a setup.py for this |
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| 23:28.22 | themill | the debian build system normally relies on the upstream build system to do most of the work |
| 23:28.54 | tryy3|Coding | hi i know iam not supposed to use root account cuz its dangerous, but if i make a new account should i give it any permissions or something? |
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| 23:30.00 | nsadmin | tryy3|Coding, the one thing I thougt of, is you might add the new user to certain groups, which offers the user permission to use certain resources |
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| 23:30.21 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin is that good? |
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| 23:31.48 | damacus | tryy3|Coding: unless you need to share specific resources in a particular fashion you normally dont need to worry about perms |
| 23:32.08 | tryy3|Coding | damacus ah ok |
| 23:32.21 | damacus | but you'll often see some apps like oracle have an oracle group you need to add users into to be able to access oracle bins/libs |
| 23:32.37 | damacus | or be in a group to access a set of files for a specific project |
| 23:33.13 | nsadmin | depends on what you want. what you can do is add a user and don't do anything extra, and then see what you can and cannot do... if there is something you can't do, maybe you can add the user to a group that provides access to the thing you couldn't do |
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| 23:33.23 | nsadmin | so, you adjust the user as you go |
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| 23:34.15 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin i will do that :P will sudo work too? |
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| 23:35.00 | damacus | if you add them to the sudo group |
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| 23:35.36 | damacus | (it slightly annoys me that debian doesn't also set up and support the wheel group out of box..) |
| 23:35.44 | nsadmin | maybe... sudo has to be configured in terms of the paths and other vars sudo needs |
| 23:35.50 | abrotman | damacus: it's not hard to do |
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| 23:36.02 | tryy3 | nsadmin mind helping me with that? |
| 23:36.03 | damacus | abrotman: i know it's not.. i have to do it on every box I set up at my office :) |
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| 23:36.13 | nsadmin | sudo is not added to debian by default |
| 23:36.25 | abrotman | damacus: use a config mgmt system? :) |
| 23:36.29 | nsadmin | is sudo not working now? |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: added, or configured? |
| 23:36.36 | damacus | well.. err.. it's on the list :P |
| 23:36.48 | tryy3 | nsadmin oh... and idk i haven't tested yet :P |
| 23:36.52 | nsadmin | abrotman, meant not installed |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | damacus: i have to say, using puppet is pretty nice when you have a pile of 'similar' boxes |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: only if you skip the Standard task IIRC |
| 23:37.18 | nsadmin | oh, sudo is in standard? |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | judd: info sudo |
| 23:37.27 | judd | Package sudo (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. Version: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.3; Size: 579.3k; Installed: 920k |
| 23:37.28 | damacus | i started writing some manifests a while ago, but didn't get too far beyond having it install a group of packages and add users |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | apparently not ... yay, poor memory |
| 23:37.47 | nsadmin | happens to the best of us |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | damacus: altering pam isn't a huge step from there |
| 23:37.51 | themill | Desktop task installs it iirc |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | themill: i know a task installs it, but can't remmeber which |
| 23:38.02 | damacus | i didn't like how puppet seemed to want modules in a specific path rather than arbitrary, and that this (or using puppetmaster) was the main way to bring in other resources |
| 23:38.05 | nsadmin | as of which release? |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | damacus: puppet modules, or kernel modules? |
| 23:38.29 | damacus | puppet |
| 23:38.36 | tryy3 | nsadmin so just need to install the sudo package? or do i haft to make any configures? |
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| 23:39.01 | damacus | the other reason i tabled the project is that I was hearing a lot more about chef which seems to rapidly be gaining traction, and wanted to reevaluate my needs |
| 23:39.15 | abrotman | damacus: it expects manifest/template files to bve under its root |
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| 23:39.35 | damacus | ah, templates.. indeed. |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | damacus: there will always be another config mgmt platform coming :) |
| 23:39.38 | damacus | not modules |
| 23:39.43 | abrotman | salt is next or something |
| 23:39.51 | nsadmin | abrotman and themill are suggesting that sudo is installed as part of larger groups of packages... if that's true it should imply it's ready to go when you install it |
| 23:39.55 | abrotman | curses at some travel site |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: that depends .. i skip everything but standard when i install |
| 23:40.29 | nsadmin | abrotman, aha, so do you get sudo? |
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| 23:40.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: i can't recall, because i don't use it by default |
| 23:40.55 | damacus | one compelling thing i liked about chef was that it uses ruby rather than its own language. aside from increasing it's install footprint, that would seem to make a very flexible system. |
| 23:41.05 | abrotman | damacus: puppet uses ruby also |
| 23:41.14 | damacus | i thought it was python. |
| 23:41.18 | abrotman | that's salt |
| 23:41.26 | damacus | either way the manifests are it's own syntax. |
| 23:41.27 | nsadmin | abrotman, maybe it's enough to know whether you have it right now? |
| 23:41.29 | damacus | chef's are in ruby |
| 23:41.37 | damacus | (no?) |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | damacus: i dn't care which 'language' they use, as long as the syntax makes sense |
| 23:42.11 | nsadmin | if you have it and don't remember installing it, maybe that means it's part of standard |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: considering i have a full gnome3 desktop installed, i have sudo, it's not configured though |
| 23:42.41 | nsadmin | aha, so I was wrong in assuming sudo is ready to go at the point of install |
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| 23:42.53 | nsadmin | or how do you mean "configure"? |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | ready to go .. meaning what? |
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| 23:43.08 | abrotman | i have sudo installed, but my user (the only real user) isn't setup to use sudo |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | that i know of anyway |
| 23:43.33 | nsadmin | you install it and (other than adding to suerdoers) you can use it right away |
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| 23:43.47 | damacus | abrotman: true enough. my point is that the chef people don't have to worry about writing their own parsers and whatnot, they just use ruby, thus it should be relatively simple to extend logic in a chef cookbook compared to a puppet manifest / template |
| 23:43.52 | nsadmin | "ready tp go" |
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| 23:44.24 | tim_flatus | nsadmin: no it has to be configured. I always amuse myself when the system threatens to report me to the sysadmin. |
| 23:44.31 | damacus | and the time spent mastering cookbooks will result in at least some level of ruby profieciency compared to learning puppet and in the end knowing puppet :) |
| 23:44.52 | nsadmin | nsadmin, I report me! |
| 23:44.56 | case` | does any one have any experience porting distro to arm chip? |
| 23:45.51 | nsadmin | tim_flatus, thanks,,, that sounds definitive |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | damacus: sure, and Salt is done in Python .. |
| 23:46.16 | abrotman | but the puppet language is pretty darn easy IMO |
| 23:46.24 | case` | i have installed debian sid to a wm8650 netbook, and have problems with keyboard ? |
| 23:46.55 | abrotman | damacus: i don't care about the 'language' as long as it makes the usage simple and usable |
| 23:46.57 | case` | not sure what .conf deals with devices? |
| 23:47.20 | abrotman | what kind of problems? |
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| 23:48.06 | nsadmin | case`, describe the problems you have (maybe in the form "I try ____, then it does ____ when I was expecting ____") |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | or |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | "__ doesn't work, help me _____" |
| 23:49.22 | damacus | for example, "windows doesn't work, help me kill it with fire" |
| 23:49.36 | mpotter | sums it up for me |
| 23:49.42 | abrotman | or "my blender doesn't work, help me @*$*&#$erers!" |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | uh, kitchen blender, not software blender |
| 23:50.05 | damacus | does it blend? |
| 23:50.12 | jagginess | blenders makes a dangerous 'case' :) |
| 23:50.12 | gnarface | software blender actually mostly works now |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | does th eblender blend .. hrm ... |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | gnarface: and it's far easier to use |
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| 23:50.50 | damacus | recurvise blenders, watch out for that base case |
| 23:51.04 | gnarface | abrotman: compared to anything other than older versions of blender, i disagree, but yes, it has also improved in basic sanity of interface layout (a tiny bit) |
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| 23:52.01 | abrotman | gnarface: it toook a bit of learning to learn the older interface to blender .. it wasn't straightfoward |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | gnarface: personal opinion of course |
| 23:52.27 | gnarface | mostly i'm just impressed that it gets actually decent results if you use the aftermarket renderer (yafray or whatever?) |
| 23:52.30 | case` | <nsadmin> the problem i have is the keyboard does not work, i have to use an external..kind of defeats the purpose, i would like to know what .conf file controls the devices |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | case`: which version of linux are you talking about here? |
| 23:53.31 | jagginess | i think he said he installed "sid" |
| 23:53.38 | jagginess | lol |
| 23:53.43 | case` | <abrotman>is an unstable debian sid, ported to an arm chip on a netbook |
| 23:53.55 | abrotman | oh, missed that, sorry |
| 23:53.59 | case` | kk |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | skipped to the netbook part :) |
| 23:54.07 | jagginess | "case`> i have installed debian sid to a wm8650 netbook, and have problems with keyboard ?" |
| 23:54.11 | nsadmin | case`, so "doesn't work" for this situation means "I push keys, and nothing ever happens"? |
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| 23:54.26 | case` | yes, no output |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | case`: uname -r |
| 23:54.44 | nsadmin | ok, thanks... now I understand |
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| 23:55.58 | jagginess | case`, http://pond-weed.com/wmt8650/index.html |
| 23:56.03 | case` | i am not sure what files handle devices, such as keyboard touchpad mouse etc.. |
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| 23:57.20 | case` | i looked at that from pondweed.. however the info i receive there is rather low |
| 23:57.29 | damacus | case`: what is the native OS? |
| 23:57.40 | case` | android |
| 23:57.44 | damacus | ah |
| 23:57.56 | damacus | it's possible perhaps the built in keyboard uses bluetooth? |
| 23:57.57 | case` | yeh.. can't seem to root it either |
| 23:58.11 | damacus | if it were USB or PS/2 i'd expect it to Just Work. |
| 23:58.15 | jagginess | case`, you should join any groups that are working that.. people who are actually hacking that hardware.. i'm sure you can contact them |
| 23:58.27 | nsadmin | case`, most devices are "handled" by the kernel... files like /dev/tty refer to a particular driver which then handles things for that device |
| 23:59.08 | case` | so i would have to compile another kernel? |
| 23:59.27 | jagginess | case`, "You can contact me at mailto:john AT pond-weed DOT com. " from the site :) |
| 23:59.33 | case` | not sure how to go about it.. gotta try something once though! |
| 23:59.48 | tryy3 | how can i check the internet speed on debian through a terminal? |
| 23:59.52 | nsadmin | case`, we'd like to know what "uname -r" says |
