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| 00:16.49 | martianlobster | how can I get the source code for the debian package, uuid-dev ? |
| 00:17.14 | pepee | apt-get source <package>? |
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| 00:18.27 | LtL | he needs a deb-src line in sources.list also |
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| 00:25.20 | martianlobster | pepee: oh thank you! LOL |
| 00:25.31 | martianlobster | LtL: thanks |
| 00:25.50 | LtL | martianlobster: welcome |
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| 00:30.45 | larks | oi, I'm not familiar with IPv6. how would I set up a interface so where it has a IPv6 addr and an IPv4 addr. Is it just same but with the IPv6 addr added to /network/interfaces |
| 00:31.30 | tabakhase | öhm, its known that lenny isnt on the mirrors anymore - but shouldnt "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ lenny main contrib" still work? getting 404 or 403 (on ftp.de.) |
| 00:31.50 | dvs | nope |
| 00:31.55 | dvs | !lenny |
| 00:31.55 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 00:32.35 | dvs | !tell tabakhase about lenny sources.list |
| 00:32.50 | Dagger2 | larks: basically just add an additional block with the config details, e.g. https://p.6core.net/p/8hdhxdnl4d7ajesf |
| 00:33.42 | larks | Dagger2: I see, I think |
| 00:34.09 | tabakhase | dvs okay, so i just got disoriented by the "org/debian-archive/..." part, thx |
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| 00:34.35 | pepee | did debian implement PPAs? if not, why? |
| 00:34.42 | dvs | no prob |
| 00:35.06 | sney | pepee: nope, and I don't think it's been considered by the developers |
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| 00:35.39 | sney | debian has a similar hosting/buildd service but 3rd party repositories are generally frowned on, for reasons that ppas don't fix |
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| 00:37.51 | pepee | well, a PPA is a 3rd party repo, but the whole idea is somewhat different I suppose |
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| 00:38.39 | pepee | in my case, I use them to get up to date packages, but only some packages |
| 00:39.07 | pepee | that is not possible when using most repos |
| 00:39.51 | pepee | another idea I read recently, PPAs are useful for testing things or showing different features, etc |
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| 00:46.17 | mparodi | do you know any guide to tune tcp so you can download faster? |
| 00:47.02 | mparodi | I have a problem, when my computer is downloading and another one is downloading as well, I always download slower T_T |
| 00:47.32 | pepee | isn't that what your router does? |
| 00:47.56 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:48.03 | abrotman | !tell mparodi about wondershaper |
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| 00:53.05 | steve464646 | Is there any kind of "official recommendation" for which packages to use to perform certain activities |
| 00:53.18 | steve464646 | In other words like a "recommended" Remote Desktop client |
| 00:53.52 | dvs | steve464646: no |
| 00:53.55 | mparodi | Please read the documentation in README first :-) |
| 00:54.00 | mparodi | >_> |
| 00:54.44 | steve464646 | The reason I ask, I just notice that Vinagre is the default in <Wheezy>, when it was Remmina in <Squeeze> and I wondered if there were specific implications |
| 00:55.08 | steve464646 | noticed* |
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| 00:58.46 | mparodi | if I'm downloading at 300KB/s (max speed, let's say...) and another computer in the same net starts downloading, my speed drops to 50KB/S and the other one downloads at 250KB/s |
| 00:58.55 | mparodi | that's what I'm trying to solve, abrotman ^ |
| 00:59.08 | mparodi | I don't think wondershaper helps |
| 00:59.12 | dbelange | mparodi: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=505704 |
| 00:59.16 | steve464646 | mparodi, does your router support QoS\ |
| 00:59.56 | steve464646 | Throttle the other computer so your anime torrents take precedence |
| 00:59.58 | mparodi | steve464646, not sure, let me check |
| 01:00.43 | steve464646 | Routers like standard linksys/cisco consumer-grade allow you to assign different bandwidth priorities by MAC address |
| 01:00.48 | mparodi | steve464646, it does |
| 01:01.22 | steve464646 | yeah google "QOS" or "quality of service" and your router name/brand/firmware |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | mparodi: sure it can |
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| 01:02.48 | mparodi_ | <abrotman> mparodi: sure it can |
| 01:02.50 | mparodi_ | <mparodi> I'm not guessing, I found it in the config panel |
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| 01:02.52 | mparodi_ | then I lost the connection u.u |
| 01:03.28 | steve464646 | Yeah, you should just need the offending machine's MAC address |
| 01:03.45 | steve464646 | and for good measure you can give *yourself* the highest share of bandwidth, also by MAC |
| 01:04.24 | mparodi_ | but it doesn't solve the problem in my computer |
| 01:04.36 | steve464646 | What's the issue on *your* end |
| 01:05.00 | mparodi_ | not sure but I always have the same problem, not with this second computer but with all of them |
| 01:05.31 | steve464646 | The router/switch is the only thing which would regulate that sort of thing |
| 01:05.42 | steve464646 | unless you have enacted some kind of bandwidth throttling on yourself |
| 01:05.48 | mparodi_ | no |
| 01:06.06 | mparodi_ | I guess you can also change tcp parameters in your computer |
| 01:06.10 | pepee | or the owner of the other computer did that and you didn't notice |
| 01:06.20 | steve464646 | pepee, exactly |
| 01:06.54 | mparodi_ | no way, as I said it's always like that (not just in this network) |
| 01:06.56 | pepee | the problem is on the router, not your machine |
| 01:06.59 | steve464646 | your roommate is sick of you running forums out of your apartment while torrenting while playing games online :D |
| 01:07.34 | steve464646 | mparodi, everyone has to share the connection whenever there are more machines up than one |
| 01:07.54 | steve464646 | "the grass is always greener on the other side" they probably thing you are getting a bigger share of bandwidth too |
| 01:08.17 | dbelange | netflix torrents podcasts streaming skydives |
| 01:08.25 | steve464646 | Just set up QoS on the router but be prepared for retaliation if they find out |
| 01:08.33 | steve464646 | hah dbelange exactly |
| 01:08.44 | mparodi_ | it's easy to know who is getting more... I'm getting 30% of the maximum speed :P |
| 01:08.47 | mparodi_ | where's the rest? |
| 01:08.57 | dbelange | mparodi_: don't think of it as a dump truck |
| 01:09.11 | steve464646 | mparodi, *any* connection will only be as fast as the weakest link |
| 01:09.20 | mparodi_ | sure |
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| 01:09.31 | steve464646 | could be the ISP, could be your router, COULD be your NIC |
| 01:09.46 | steve464646 | If you really think there is an issue, maybe your network card is having issues |
| 01:09.51 | steve464646 | dropping packets, etc |
| 01:10.14 | steve464646 | at any rate, the bottom line is you have to tone down the pron browsing |
| 01:10.21 | steve464646 | that's the only way |
| 01:10.23 | steve464646 | $$$ |
| 01:10.31 | mparodi_ | or maybe the buffer is too small, tcp waits too long to send packages again or whatever |
| 01:10.42 | mparodi_ | there are like n parameters out there |
| 01:10.53 | steve464646 | if you've tinkered with any configs relating to networking, that is possible |
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| 01:11.01 | mparodi_ | no, I didn't |
| 01:11.02 | steve464646 | i don't know how deep you'd have to go to get to that |
| 01:11.10 | steve464646 | have you edited IPtables by hand ? |
| 01:11.14 | mparodi_ | nop |
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| 01:12.12 | steve464646 | so you said you could be downloading at 300 kb/s and then someone else jumps in and gets 250 while you get 50 |
| 01:12.15 | steve464646 | that's still 300 total |
| 01:12.22 | mparodi_ | yep, sure |
| 01:12.28 | steve464646 | they're just connected to a faster site/service |
| 01:12.30 | mparodi_ | but why not 50% and 50%? |
| 01:12.34 | steve464646 | OR your router is prioritizing them |
| 01:12.42 | mparodi_ | then I'm always connected to the slow one lol |
| 01:12.52 | mparodi_ | no, QoS is not configured yet, I just checked |
| 01:13.01 | steve464646 | yeah, so just study up on QoS |
| 01:13.03 | steve464646 | OR |
| 01:13.05 | steve464646 | for testing |
| 01:13.11 | steve464646 | fire up a torrent (say, debian) |
| 01:13.15 | steve464646 | which has TONS of seeders |
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| 01:13.22 | mparodi_ | ok, good idea |
| 01:13.32 | steve464646 | and have your friend/roommate/family member fire up a torrent with 7 seeders |
| 01:14.17 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 01:14.53 | steve464646 | and SOME routers *seem* to give preference to ethernet/wired connections over wireless (just my subjective experience mostly dealing with linksys/cisco) |
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| 01:18.18 | mparodi_ | steve464646, I'm using wifi while the other computer is using eth, I should check that too |
| 01:18.24 | mparodi_ | thanks |
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| 01:25.08 | KsM | I used to use update-menus to update the programs that would show up in xfce's Application list, but that command is no longer there apparently, so what do I use |
| 01:26.27 | abrotman | KsM: it's in the 'menu' program |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | erm, package |
| 01:26.51 | KsM | ah ok, thanks |
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| 02:18.55 | denile | lol nice Paretsky |
| 02:19.08 | denile | wrong buffer >_< and tab completion |
| 02:19.47 | jagginess | i'm trying to send a bugreport to two package maintainers, i dont think this can be done can it? |
| 02:20.13 | jagginess | (reportbug packge1 packge2 -A rpbug) |
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| 02:42.56 | jagginess | hey, we cant bug report to the devscripts package? |
| 02:43.21 | nsadmin | why not? |
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| 02:46.00 | jagginess | (i'm having a problem with dragging/dropping "certain" .desktop items, but I believe it's more than this concerning debian-policy about how things should be placed) |
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| 03:35.44 | pclov3r | hows it going |
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| 03:52.50 | edve | Debian or ubuntu ? Which one is the best and why ? |
| 03:53.04 | un214 | ubuntu's good as dead |
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| 03:53.57 | edve | Why ? |
| 03:54.26 | un214 | they're trying too hard to profit from it and make it like windows |
| 03:54.38 | edve | And debian ? |
| 03:54.56 | un214 | at least someone in debian is for unix |
| 03:55.13 | sneex | Pick Debian; but not because Ubuntu is dying but Debian will be Debian -- just Debian |
| 03:55.55 | pclov3r | Ubuntu is dying? |
| 03:56.18 | sneex | Ubuntu is evolving away from Debian |
| 03:56.43 | pclov3r | i tired to install Ubuntu the other day. Never again lol |
| 03:56.55 | pclov3r | Very buggy and unstable seriously? Wtf |
| 03:57.50 | pclov3r | i think my two favorite distros right now are Debian and CentOS |
| 04:00.11 | un214 | I dumped ubuntu after they had the bad sense to replace init, make the core loader (mountall) run fsck in parallel on different partitions of the same disk, and make plymouth non-disablable despite the fact they didn't have working display drivers for my system |
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| 04:01.17 | pclov3r | CentOS 6 replaced init with upstart |
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| 04:02.26 | sneex | some distros only see the future and forget the past -- in general that is a bad idea; better to get a firm foundation on the present :P But I am crazy so please feel free to ignore me |
| 04:02.27 | un214 | dumb move. Whoever thought up the makefile initscripts to fix the multiboot problem deserves a medal |
| 04:02.43 | phix | What really annoys me with Ubuntu is network manager |
| 04:02.52 | un214 | that can be turned off. I did. |
| 04:03.09 | un214 | good night |
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| 04:29.17 | phix | so any command that tells me the type of ram a computer uses? |
| 04:29.36 | phix | in particular, I want to find out the DDR type |
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| 04:32.24 | gnarface | phix: dmidecode might tell you |
| 04:32.24 | SiDz | dmidecode --type baseboard (google motherboard model) |
| 04:32.27 | jagginess | phix, use the motherboard model from dmidecode, and google that |
| 04:32.35 | jagginess | ^ |
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| 04:36.31 | phix | jagginess: thnx |
| 04:36.46 | phix | I was using biosdecode hehe, that didnt work :) |
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| 04:55.39 | KsM | nautilus seems to have just gone and lost its theme for me and (from answers from googling) rming ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus didn't work |
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| 04:57.33 | KsM | The icon theme still works but the button/window theme doesn't |
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| 05:21.01 | alusion | I need to come up with a domain name, what is expected? |
| 05:21.38 | alusion | can someone explain to me what this domain name business is? Sorta like a way I can ssh to my machine? |
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| 05:25.04 | Named | Is there anything I can do to change my keyboard layout in a kernel parameter? My keyboard is in Dvorak and I have a rather long encryption password |
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| 05:28.57 | chovy | i'm trying to setup an mx record with my registrar. it is asking me for a hostname and a target hostname |
| 05:29.12 | chovy | what do i use for those values? |
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| 05:40.39 | phix | Named: get a keyboard that can hardware switch between it? :) |
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| 05:41.43 | Named | This is virtual machine stuff. Found out about console-data. just hope it can do boot time too |
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| 05:44.16 | fredl | hi guys, I just installed a new wheezy server and something has me a bit baffled. I configured the network interface to be static, however somehow my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten. |
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| 05:45.17 | fredl | what could be causing that? |
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| 05:52.33 | steve464646 | ALL I did was change some of the toggle switches (specifically having to do with "display icons on desktop" and now my gnome will not start in shell mode or classic mode - this is a fresh install of <Wheezy> |
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| 05:53.23 | steve464646 | Is there a place I can delete ALL gnome shell settings (specifically everything that would be changed in that 'Advanced Settings' area) |
| 05:53.59 | steve464646 | In my home directory I've # rm -rf on things such as .gconf , .gnome2 , .gnome |
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| 05:56.23 | steve464646 | Does Debian have a way we can 'repair' packages or restore them to their original state? |
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| 05:57.06 | steve464646 | Can I just <# aptitude remove> something and then reinstall it..... I'm worried the problematic configs would still carry over |
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| 06:23.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell steve464646 about purge |
| 06:23.42 | jelly-home | steve464646: but purge won't touch the settings in your home directory |
| 06:24.40 | jelly-home | steve464646: say, those in ~/.config/ |
| 06:24.59 | fredl | hi guys, I just installed a new wheezy server and something has me a bit baffled. I configured the network interface to be static, however somehow my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten. |
| 06:25.31 | fredl | some process puts a single nameserver <ipv6 address> in there. |
| 06:25.41 | fredl | any idea what could be causing this? |
| 06:26.08 | jelly-home | fredl: read man resolvconf on how to correctly set up dns servers in case resolvconf is installed |
| 06:26.37 | fredl | it's not installed jelly. |
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| 06:26.55 | jelly-home | huh, then nothing ought to touch the file |
| 06:27.06 | fredl | that's the first thing I checked, then I checked if by accident network manager snuck in there |
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| 06:28.42 | fredl | there's a process called rdnssd running, I'm thinking that may be the culprit, is that part of a standard install? |
| 06:30.56 | jelly-home | no idea |
| 06:31.33 | fredl | hmm the manual page says it will change the resolv.conf file, fixed. |
| 06:31.57 | fredl | I guess the IPv6 push is getting stronger. |
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| 06:49.07 | solstis | has anybody experienced problems with apt-fast ? does it only accelerate the downloading of packages or does it also replace some of dpkg's functions ? |
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| 06:50.23 | shadow_fox | hi i want to download debian but confused which one to download i am on hp dv2000 series laptop |
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| 06:53.52 | nvz | shadow_fox: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:54.02 | nvz | the one at the top of the page on debian.org ... |
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| 06:55.44 | jelly-home | shadow_fox: will you have a wired internet connection for the installation? |
| 06:56.03 | nvz | it has an intel pro wireless.. should'nt be a problem |
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| 06:56.22 | nvz | just needs firmware |
| 06:56.22 | shadow_fox | jelly-home: i have wifi only... |
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| 06:57.09 | shadow_fox | jelly-home: well if it supports intel pro wireless then it would be no problem |
| 06:57.17 | jelly-home | !firmware image |
| 06:57.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. For DVD images, see http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 06:58.14 | jelly-home | shadow_fox: get those if you can set up WEP or unencrypted wireless temporarily |
| 06:58.23 | jelly-home | if you need WPA support in the installer, |
| 06:58.27 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 06:58.28 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 06:59.47 | jelly-home | the installer situation is far from "not a problem" or "only needs firmware" |
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| 07:00.21 | shadow_fox | jelly-home: that is my main concern |
| 07:00.35 | shadow_fox | is it gonna support my laptop's hardware or not... |
| 07:00.51 | jelly-home | best to get a wired connection for the installer |
| 07:01.02 | shadow_fox | coz i386 is what i found by running uname -a using linux mint in my laptop |
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| 07:01.25 | shadow_fox | but confused whether to get the amd64-i386 |
| 07:01.26 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .. i am using lxde over debian 6 here .... how can i add some other keyboard layout to it ? |
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| 07:08.18 | nvz | shadow_fox: your system will run either |
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| 07:09.54 | shadow_fox | nvz: ok... so downloading a dvd version is fine i guess and that too the need for firmware as suggested by jelly-home i guess i ll follow along |
| 07:09.54 | nvz | shadow_fox: its a core 2 duo which is amd64 which is backwards compatible with i686, i486, i386.. |
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| 07:10.31 | nvz | shadow_fox: if you're downloading the whole dvd you wouldnt need anything special.. thats only if you're going to instlal over the network |
| 07:11.15 | shadow_fox | i am not sure whether i will have internet connection when i am gonna install thats why willing to download the dvd version nvz: |
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| 07:12.21 | nvz | shadow_fox: whatever tickles your fancy.. I burned the full 2.2r6 repo when I first started and 3.0 released a few days later.. same will happen here.. wheezy will be releasing soon |
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| 07:13.21 | shadow_fox | nvz: ok... my dvd rom isnt working so have to use the usb installer... |
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| 07:14.47 | nvz | shadow_fox: optical drives have been known to go on strike sometimes |
| 07:15.38 | shadow_fox | nvz: in my case after one year every electronic products starts to show such disasters |
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| 07:22.48 | nvz | shadow_fox: planned obsolescence |
| 07:23.28 | nvz | selling new products since 1963 |
| 07:23.56 | shadow_fox | nvz: and HP is the winner :) |
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| 07:30.02 | lancelot_of | i'm unable to reboot when running kernel 3.2. Both reboot and shutdown -r now stay for an undefined time on console login and nothing happens and i'm forced to brute shutdown.What's going wrong?How to fix? |
| 07:30.15 | lancelot_of | debian wheezy |
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| 07:46.45 | thomas`- | Hi everyone. Could someone please help me change my timezone |
| 07:47.01 | thomas`- | Which script should I run |
| 07:47.42 | ksk | dpkg-reconfigure tz-data |
| 07:47.46 | ksk | (iirc) :p |
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| 07:48.17 | ksk | s/tz-data/tzdata |
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| 07:49.23 | thomas`- | perfect ksk. thanks! |
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| 07:53.22 | thomas`- | dpkg-reconfigure works with gpm.. pretty cool |
| 07:53.53 | Iridos | duh about bug #689519 |
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| 07:55.13 | Iridos | always a pleasure to encounter bugs like that when upgrading... even if they apparently turn out to be a fata morgana |
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| 08:14.30 | FRA998 | cia |
| 08:14.33 | FRA998 | ciao |
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| 08:17.12 | Iridos | he forgot to do !list |
| 08:17.18 | Iridos | what's the world coming to! |
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| 08:18.48 | jelly-home | pokes judd |
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| 08:19.27 | specing | Can anyone explain what is !list supposed to do? |
| 08:19.59 | somiaj | it is a common factoid on warez sites as to where to download stuff |
| 08:20.18 | specing | hmmm |
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| 08:20.45 | somiaj | so dpkg directs them to the installer. (: |
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| 08:32.02 | Mogget | I have somehow managed to allow adobe pdf reader to become the default reader instead of evince. How do I get evince to become the default again and any ideas on how to remove the adobe stuff? |
| 08:32.28 | specing | by removing the adobe stuff? |
| 08:32.31 | Mogget | aptitude search pdf | grep '^i' gives me nothing |
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| 08:32.46 | specing | How did you install adobe? |
| 08:32.50 | Mogget | specing: the problem is I don't know how it got in there in the first place |
| 08:32.59 | specing | lol |
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| 08:33.01 | jelly-home | Mogget: grep '^.i' |
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| 08:33.31 | jelly-home | oh, aptitude |
| 08:33.36 | jelly-home | never mind me |
| 08:35.11 | apm1 | i suspect wine |
| 08:35.53 | Mogget | find . -regex '.*[Aa]dobe.*' does not give me anything either other than some fonts I know should be in there. |
| 08:35.53 | jelly-home | not this early in the day |
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| 08:37.09 | Mogget | apm1: I don't use windows at all nor binaries from it. |
| 08:37.38 | Mogget | I can not find a dpkg-reconfigure option for pdf either |
| 08:38.07 | nyuszika7h | how can I upgrade "manually upgradable" packages without having to copy-paste the entire list from apt-show-versions to aptitude? |
| 08:38.10 | niels1 | Mogget, how about: dpkg -l '*adobe*reader*' |
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| 08:38.54 | Mogget | niels1: un adobereader-enu <none> (no description available) |
| 08:39.51 | niels1 | nyuszika7h, you can use the ncurses interface of aptitude. and there select the package you want, press v and press + for the version you want to install, back out to the list with q |
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| 08:40.37 | nyuszika7h | there is more than one package though, and I don't want to do it manually for every packag |
| 08:40.39 | nyuszika7h | e |
| 08:41.04 | niels1 | well, but you have to select the versions and the packages you want somehow |
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| 08:41.54 | niels1 | if you are looking for installing all from a specific release, try the -t option to aptitude |
| 08:42.37 | niels1 | like aptitude install -t squeeze-backports package1 package2 package3 |
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| 08:47.03 | Mogget | I installed the Adobe flash player a while ago. What is the chances that when I did this it also just added adobe reader to my system at the same time? |
| 08:47.14 | Mogget | I am really strugling to find point of entry for this. |
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| 08:48.03 | format_c | Mogget, how did you install it? |
| 08:48.20 | Dext | Mogget |
| 08:48.24 | Dext | get a pdf file |
| 08:48.28 | Dext | and test if it works :P |
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| 08:51.33 | Mogget | format_c: If you read up a bit you will see the original conversation and see that I don't know. |
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| 09:08.33 | satwood | i am manually creating an init.d script |
| 09:08.52 | satwood | to make it work do i just need to do chkconfig abcd for /etc/init.d/abcd ? |
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| 09:16.13 | Sevet_ | satwood: 'update-rc.d svcname defaults' < creates rc.d symlinks so it starts on boot |
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| 09:16.24 | Sevet_ | it uses the LSB headers to determine the default levels |
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| 09:17.25 | satwood | Sevet_: is that different from lenny ? |
| 09:17.40 | satwood | Sevet_: what are the codes p i etc. when i do aptitude search something |
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| 09:18.30 | Sevet_ | update-rc.d is on lenny too |
| 09:18.37 | Sevet_ | (but lenny is EOL) |
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| 09:18.52 | Sevet_ | chkconfig is a redhat thing, not debian |
| 09:19.13 | Sevet_ | update-rc.d is its equivalent |
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| 09:20.22 | satwood | Sevet_: what are the codes p i etc. when i do aptitude search something |
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| 09:21.11 | boudiccas | satwood, read the man page and learn for yourself :) |
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| 09:21.31 | satwood | Sevet_: i searched online and couldn't find, the man page is too big :) |
| 09:21.50 | satwood | Sevet_: if you can quickly just tell what p and i (and A) mean that' enough |
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| 09:22.50 | Sevet_ | i didn't answer you ;) |
| 09:22.56 | Sevet_ | it's the current installation status of that package |
| 09:23.13 | satwood | Sevet_: I have a script /etc/init.d/inadyn at http://pastebin.com/UZNKrwzW if i do 'update-rc.d inadyn defaults' would it be fine or do i need to add that "LSB headers"? |
| 09:23.13 | Sevet_ | i=installed p=not |
| 09:23.19 | satwood | A ? |
| 09:23.21 | Sevet_ | but look at the manpage for a proper description |
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| 09:23.58 | satwood | ok |
| 09:24.05 | satwood | can you tell about the init.d script above ? |
| 09:24.17 | Sevet_ | 'man aptitude' / (search key) look for 'search'... there's a section on the subcommand and it describes them there |
| 09:26.14 | Sevet_ | satwood: the manpage points here for more info |
| 09:26.15 | Sevet_ | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 09:27.09 | Sevet_ | satwood: read http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts, use existing ones in /etc/init.d as examples |
| 09:27.21 | Sevet_ | you need to add the LSB headers |
| 09:27.23 | satwood | ok |
| 09:27.24 | satwood | thanks |
| 09:27.27 | satwood | ok |
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| 09:28.14 | satwood | can you tell if i move /etc/dir1 to /root/etc/dir1 and create a symlink, will the internal symlinks (relative or absolute) inside them work fine ? |
| 09:28.23 | satwood | Sevet_: ? |
| 09:29.01 | asturel | why should relative work..? |
| 09:29.05 | Sevet_ | that depends on your system |
| 09:29.17 | Sevet_ | relative will only work within that directory, not to other locations as .. will change |
| 09:30.01 | ectospasm | I'm having problems building my r8168 driver with dkms on Debian sid. As far as I can tell, it's building properly with "dkms build -m r8168 -v 8.032.00", but make issues a warning about installing module-init-tools, and doesn't appear to install the module |
| 09:30.02 | Sevet_ | and absolute would work to files not in that directory, obviously |
| 09:30.08 | Sevet_ | *only |
| 09:30.09 | ectospasm | dkms claims failure, but I don't see one |
| 09:30.32 | ectospasm | I can build the module outside of dkms, and I can load it OK (but I don't know where I need to install it) |
| 09:30.43 | satwood | Sevet_: relative links would work fine ? |
| 09:30.50 | Sevet_ | if you mean a symlink /etc/dir1 -> /root/etc/dir1 |
| 09:30.59 | Sevet_ | then depending on your permissions it might work or it might break |
| 09:31.25 | satwood | Sevet_: yes that's the main link (assume all permissions are fine) then if i have relative links within /etc/dir1 these would just work fine too correct ? |
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| 09:31.42 | Sevet_ | it would depend where they're pointing |
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| 09:32.11 | Sevet_ | as i said, .. will change |
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| 09:32.42 | satwood | Sevet_: yes i see what you mean, assume they are positioned within /etc/dir1 (and don't go above it). then ? |
| 09:32.54 | Sevet_ | probably. tias |
| 09:33.05 | satwood | tias ? |
| 09:33.10 | jtheuer | is there any browser (graphical, lynx is not enough) which takes a SOCKS proxy as commandline argument? I want to create a tunnel with ssh and open a brower in a script. |
| 09:33.10 | Sevet_ | try it and see |
| 09:33.29 | satwood | ok |
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| 09:33.37 | Sevet_ | jtheuer: there are environment variables that they might respect |
| 09:34.06 | specing | jtheuer: uzbl could probably do it |
| 09:34.33 | Sevet_ | you can also use tools like tsocks |
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| 09:36.42 | jtheuer | lots of possibilites, thats for the input! |
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| 09:37.34 | satwood | Sevet_: with apache2 between squeeze and lenny (once I take care of the /etc/apache2 would there be any differences in .cgi, php etc?) |
| 09:38.46 | Sm0ke0ut | related modules are being updated to a later version, for some applications it may cause mallfunction, yes |
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| 09:48.36 | satwood | how to check php version ? |
| 09:48.57 | specing | <script language=php> |
| 09:49.02 | specing | phpinfo(); |
| 09:49.05 | specing | </script> |
| 09:49.31 | specing | or ... dpkg -l '*php*' |
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| 09:49.40 | specing | dpkg-query, that is |
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| 09:52.14 | satwood | Sevet_: how to upgrade a single package ? |
| 09:52.48 | romgo | Hello I am running corosync cluster on debian squeeze with stonith-enabled = false and In my syslog I get tones of ERROR: stonithd_signon: Can't initiate connection to stonithd |
| 09:52.50 | jelly | satwood: just install it anew |
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| 09:53.07 | romgo | Does anyone as heard something on this issue ? |
| 09:53.24 | satwood | jelly: thanks |
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| 09:54.11 | satwood | jelly: it actually broke it ! |
| 09:54.13 | ChrisH | satwood: php -version |
| 09:54.16 | satwood | i was trying to upgrade php |
| 09:54.23 | satwood | and after doing aptitude install php |
| 09:54.37 | satwood | php --version gives error ! earlier it was working ifne |
| 09:54.39 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:54.39 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:55.04 | satwood | ok |
| 09:55.29 | jelly | also, show the exact, complete error you get from "php --version" |
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| 09:55.44 | jelly | ,v php |
| 09:55.45 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 09:56.05 | ChrisH | romgo: What is this stonith cluster about? To me this error looks like either name resolution or someone else is listening on the port |
| 09:56.09 | jelly | "aptitude install php" shouldn't really have done anything |
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| 09:56.48 | satwood | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/200668/ , 'php --version' now (was working earlier) gives : -bash: /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory |
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| 09:57.37 | romgo | ChrisH: stonith is a process to deal with concurrent access to the data (Shoot The Other in the Head). In my conf this is disabled. But seems that it try anyway to communicate with the stonith daemon |
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| 09:58.16 | ChrisH | satwood: Does this work: php5 -version ? |
| 09:58.52 | satwood | ChrisH: doesn't |
| 09:58.56 | jelly | satwood: pastebin the outputs of "apt-cache policy php5-cli php5-cgi" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:59.11 | jelly | ,file bin/php5 |
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| 09:59.15 | judd | Search for bin/php5 in squeeze/i386: php5-cli: usr/bin/php5; php5-cgi: usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5; php5-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/php5, usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 |
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| 09:59.47 | jelly | satwood: need to have php5-cli installed to get /usr/bin/php5 |
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| 10:00.15 | satwood | jelly: i am going to aptitude install php5 again |
| 10:00.26 | satwood | i think i just clicked Y without reading |
| 10:00.37 | satwood | its not doing anything now |
| 10:01.00 | jelly | lack of reading can cause trouble, agreed |
| 10:01.18 | satwood | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/200669/ is the output forw aht you asked, looks like they were gone |
| 10:01.26 | satwood | jelly: i see that, how do i recover ? |
| 10:01.40 | jelly | satwood: you need to have php5-cli installed to get /usr/bin/php5 |
| 10:02.00 | jelly | should I repeat once more? |
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| 10:02.03 | satwood | i don't know what caused it to go away |
| 10:02.06 | satwood | but installing it |
| 10:02.27 | satwood | jelly: php --version is not working |
| 10:02.34 | boudiccas | jelly, repost what once more? |
| 10:02.36 | satwood | but still showing old version 5.3.3-7 |
| 10:02.41 | satwood | instead of 5.4 |
| 10:02.51 | satwood | jelly: do i need php-cgi also ? |
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| 10:03.36 | jelly | satwood: um, there is no 5.4 version in squeeze |
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| 10:04.18 | satwood | jelly: ok, do i need php-cgi also ? |
| 10:04.27 | jelly | if things work now, no |
| 10:04.27 | ChrisH | ,v php5-cli |
| 10:04.28 | judd | Package: php5-cli on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-7; wheezy: 5.4.4-7; experimental: 5.4.6-2 |
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| 10:08.55 | satwood | ok |
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| 10:09.40 | satwood | jelly: i see that in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default there's an extra /usr/share/doc entry in some machines |
| 10:09.45 | satwood | but not in other |
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| 10:12.19 | suigeneris | hi |
| 10:13.22 | suigeneris | if I want to add a new IP to my server, should I add it to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 10:14.28 | ksk | yessir, you should if you want to make this permanently (and you are not using network-manager or other tools that handle networking for you) |
| 10:15.31 | simonlnu | clings to his /e/n/interfaces like it was a bed of rose petals |
| 10:15.58 | simonlnu | (or cedar boughs ;) |
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| 10:50.34 | tryy3|Coding | is there a command to make a big command print the stuff into a file? |
| 10:50.58 | tryy3|Coding | like 'dpkg --list' and print the output into a file? |
| 10:51.14 | niels1 | tryy3|Coding, sure, try dpkg --list > yourfile |
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| 10:51.23 | tryy3|Coding | ah |
| 10:51.47 | tryy3|Coding | ty¨ |
| 10:51.48 | niels1 | you can also directly pipe it into less, for easier reading: dpkg --list | less |
| 10:52.01 | tryy3|Coding | ah |
| 10:52.19 | tryy3|Coding | will '| less' always work for any files? |
| 10:52.33 | niels1 | not for all commands, but for most |
| 10:52.50 | tryy3|Coding | ah k |
| 10:52.56 | tryy3|Coding | will |
| 10:53.01 | niels1 | some commands output a lot of stuff to stderr. you'll have to use "2>&1 | less" for those |
| 10:53.05 | tryy3|Coding | will '> yourfile' work for any? |
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| 10:53.26 | niels1 | same thing as with less. will work for all commands that mainly output to stdout |
| 10:53.39 | tryy3|Coding | ah |
| 10:53.41 | ksuhku | loves pipes and redirects |
| 10:54.34 | tryy3|Coding | i like to read from my text editor :P |
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| 10:55.13 | ChrisH | tryy3|Coding: That will change :) |
| 10:55.29 | tryy3|Coding | ChrisH lol :P |
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| 10:55.51 | tryy3|Coding | ChrisH how so? |
| 10:56.15 | ChrisH | tryy3|Coding: I will change my sentence to: It will change if your text editor is not vi(m) :) |
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| 10:56.49 | tryy3|Coding | ChrisH i tryed to learn VIM once... i still got it installed but i dont touch it :D |
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| 10:56.58 | tryy3|Coding | loves notepad++ to much :D |
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| 10:58.22 | break19 | <3 most |
| 10:58.24 | tryy3|Coding | though, future is never set so :D |
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| 10:59.22 | break19 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/most :) |
| 10:59.44 | tryy3|Coding | whats difrence between less and more? |
| 11:00.19 | break19 | same as between most and less |
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| 11:00.48 | tryy3|Coding | still didn't answer my question :s |
| 11:01.13 | break19 | more is the original pager, really only goes *down*, less you can scroll up and down to your leisure. most can do the same as less, and colorizes manpages :P |
| 11:01.32 | break19 | (among others) |
| 11:01.48 | tryy3|Coding | oh |
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| 11:01.57 | break19 | just try them and see: most longtextfile then less longtextfile |
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| 11:03.02 | tryy3|Coding | i will later |
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| 11:03.12 | tryy3|Coding | i was about to say oh noes dpkg is dead :p |
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| 11:08.03 | tryy3|Coding | http://www.linuxguide.it/command_line/linux-manpage/do.php?file=clock is this working on debian? |
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| 11:09.13 | Sevet | tryy3|Coding: yes |
| 11:09.46 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet bash: clock: command not found |
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| 11:10.26 | Sevet | it's not a command? |
| 11:10.41 | Sevet | it's a system function call |
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| 11:10.46 | tryy3|Coding | oh... |
| 11:10.56 | Sevet | you might be looking for 'date'... |
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| 11:11.06 | tryy3|Coding | probly :P |
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| 11:15.07 | tryy3|Coding | more /etc/issue.net | grep server wont that command work? |
| 11:15.48 | tryy3|Coding | ignore me |
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| 11:21.05 | tryy3|Coding | is there any command like grep command, but that can take out the words and not the line? |
| 11:22.56 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:23.18 | tryy3|Coding | nkuttler trying to do a info shell script :P |
| 11:24.06 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: if you grep for a word you already know the word. you question doesn't make sense |
| 11:24.31 | tryy3|Coding | nkuttler http://pastebay.net/1150480 thats the code |
| 11:24.37 | ChrisH | tryy3|Coding: I did not read all, but you should do it that way grep server /etc/issue.net |
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| 11:25.52 | tryy3|Coding | i wanna change the part of /etc/issue with the hostname, ip and server name, cuz the spaces isn't the same as the otherl ines |
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| 11:28.15 | tryy3|Coding | nvm i fixed it on a difrent way |
| 11:28.30 | Sevet | lsb_release is a nice way to read that info |
| 11:28.52 | ChrisH | tryy3|Coding: http://pastebay.net/1150482 a slighty modified version, with reduced | (which causes an expensive fork every time) |
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| 11:29.13 | Sevet | servername from 'hostname', ips from ifconfig/ip (note you may want to handle multiple ips) |
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| 11:29.16 | tryy3|Coding | ChrisH thanks |
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| 11:31.14 | average_drifter | is it possible that when a user logs into my server I throw him into a vm immediately ? |
| 11:31.20 | average_drifter | he logs in with ssh I mean |
| 11:31.49 | Sevet | they'd need to connect to the vm directly |
| 11:31.54 | average_drifter | or maybe I should forward some ports from the VM |
| 11:31.56 | ksk | you want to take a look at "chroot and jail" |
| 11:31.59 | average_drifter | with iptables ? |
| 11:32.05 | average_drifter | ksk: no, no, I want him into a vm |
| 11:32.19 | ksk | does this ip has an external ip? |
| 11:32.19 | average_drifter | ksk: but wait a minute, maybe chroot would be good too |
| 11:32.23 | ksk | *this vm |
| 11:32.29 | average_drifter | the vm is sitting on that server |
| 11:32.34 | average_drifter | external ip no |
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| 11:32.45 | average_drifter | that's why I was thinkin of forwarding ports to it |
| 11:32.54 | ksk | then port-forwaring sounds a way to do it. |
| 11:33.23 | average_drifter | ksk: but the chroot would be easier and less harsh on the system |
| 11:33.32 | average_drifter | ksk: so how would I do the chroot thing for just one single user ? |
| 11:33.43 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet k thanks :D |
| 11:33.53 | ksk | google it :> |
| 11:34.05 | average_drifter | ksk: oh man.. I wish google didn't exist |
| 11:34.05 | ksk | !tell average_drifter about ssh_jail |
| 11:34.13 | average_drifter | kidding |
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| 11:34.53 | Sevet | tryy3|Coding: http://pastebay.net/1150486 |
| 11:35.07 | average_drifter | ksk: is there any chance for the user to get out of my jail ? |
| 11:35.29 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet 94 is the begining of my ip |
| 11:35.29 | average_drifter | ksk: is it possible to limit his memory and stuff ? |
| 11:35.37 | Sevet | and server? |
| 11:35.38 | thewanderer1 | average_drifter, will he have root privileges? |
| 11:35.55 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet server is a number, iam guessing the number of my dedi |
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| 11:39.26 | swaP | yo. |
| 11:39.30 | Sevet | tryy3|Coding: http://pastebay.net/1150487 < that'd display all ip addresses of the server, and would work regardless of what ip it had (remove 6? if you only want v4 addresses, use grep -v if you want to exclude loopback) |
| 11:39.35 | swaP | trying to code with gtk libraries.. |
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| 11:39.43 | swaP | says i dont have the libs |
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| 11:40.00 | swaP | but when i install the gtk lib it says they are already installed |
| 11:40.08 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet loopback? |
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| 11:40.10 | thewanderer1 | swaP, you need the -dev packages |
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| 11:40.28 | swaP | thewanderer1, ok |
| 11:40.47 | swaP | thank you |
| 11:41.11 | swaP | erm.. |
| 11:41.15 | Sevet | tryy3|Coding: the 127.0.0.1 address |
| 11:41.19 | swaP | thewanderer1, gnome-devel ? |
| 11:41.27 | tryy3|Coding | Sevet oh |
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| 11:41.48 | Sevet | and ::1 |
| 11:42.10 | thewanderer1 | swaP, no, libgtk*-dev (whatever libs you need, but -dev versions) |
| 11:42.27 | swaP | aha.. |
| 11:44.23 | swaP | thewanderer1, thanks.. |
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| 11:45.33 | _EBK_ | how can I get google-chrome audio to work with pulseaudio, everything else works with pulse, except chrome, which works using regular analog output and alsa |
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| 11:47.33 | bolt | where is the configuration script for smbldap-tools located? the provided smbldap-tools.html mentions it, but i can't find it :( |
| 11:47.56 | babilen | _EBK_: If it is google-chrome specific you have to ask Google for support (no idea if they have an IRC channel). Does it work with other browsers? (e.g. chromium, iceweasel, ...) |
| 11:47.58 | ChrisH | bolt: does it have on? |
| 11:48.25 | bolt | ChrisH: huh? |
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| 11:49.16 | ChrisH | bolt: checked it... I have mine here: /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf |
| 11:49.20 | _EBK_ | hmmm |
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| 11:49.37 | bolt | ChrisH: that's not the configuration script. it's the config file itself |
| 11:49.46 | _EBK_ | sound is working in Epiphany |
| 11:49.50 | bolt | ChrisH: the html in the doc directory mentions configure.pl |
| 11:50.01 | _EBK_ | but youtube is all blue tinted. |
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| 11:50.33 | _EBK_ | that should be fixed be disabling hardware acceleration.. |
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| 11:54.23 | ChrisH | bolt: I cannot remember using a confifgure.pl, IIRC becuase there was none :) |
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| 11:56.09 | tryy3|Coding | 'cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep --color=never "model name"' will output 4 lines, is there a way to just output 1 line? |
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| 11:56.30 | dario | tryy3|Coding: foo | head -n 1 |
| 11:57.00 | tryy3|Coding | dario thanks |
| 11:57.05 | bolt | ChrisH: the manual says there should be :/ |
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| 11:58.09 | tim_flatus | If I've just installed gpointer do I need to bother with xinput to get this touchpad mouse working? |
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| 11:59.00 | _EBK_ | bah, well re-install chrome fixed my sound issues. |
| 11:59.10 | ChrisH | tryy3|Coding: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep --color=never "model name" | head -1 |
| 11:59.32 | tryy3|Coding | ChrisH ty |
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| 12:00.10 | tim_flatus | I expect I'll find out sooner or later eh? |
| 12:00.22 | shadow_fox | hi, for i386 hp dv2000 series which dvd pack to download? |
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| 12:11.36 | martxel | hi |
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| 12:27.10 | surf | guys I just made an upgrade from deb to wheezy and during the install I removed something related to phonon-backend. Now totem does not load and says "impossible to create a play object of gstreamer" |
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| 12:28.30 | surf | it tells "check installation of gstreamer" |
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| 12:30.25 | tryy3|Coding | is it possible to print line 2 only and not all lines of a file that maybe prints like 10 lines? |
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| 12:30.36 | satwood | i have a directory with some ownership and permissions, i want to move it elsewhere and create a symlink to it. in order for it to look transparent in terms of permissions etc. do i need to change the ownership of the symlink also same way ? |
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| 12:31.02 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: everything is possible |
| 12:31.11 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: see head + tail |
| 12:31.21 | tryy3|Coding | nkuttler it was more a of a question how :D |
| 12:31.30 | tryy3|Coding | nkuttler and ok |
| 12:31.33 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: well you should ask your real question |
| 12:32.12 | tryy3|Coding | how do i print line 2 only and not all lines of a file that maybe prints like 10 lines? |
| 12:32.15 | tryy3|Coding | there nkuttler:P |
| 12:33.04 | martxel | head -n 2 file | tail -n 1 |
| 12:33.06 | martxel | for example |
| 12:33.49 | ceil | i do that a lot, for looking through log files :p |
| 12:33.51 | tryy3|Coding | i tryed do grep server /etc/issue | awk '{print $3}' | head -3 but it just prints the first line |
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| 12:34.06 | aguitel | every time i make apt-get update it check transtaltion in repos ,anyway to disable this? |
| 12:34.17 | surf | how do I reinstall gstreamer? |
| 12:34.22 | ceil | check what in repos? |
| 12:34.41 | martxel | surf aptitude search gstreamer |
| 12:34.53 | surf | martxel, I mean reinstall |
| 12:34.54 | martxel | and install what you need |
| 12:35.06 | nkuttler | tryy3|Coding: if you need help with shell scripting try #bash |
| 12:35.13 | surf | martxel, seems that everything I need is already installed... but totem not working |
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| 12:35.28 | aguitel | ceil, http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-pl for ex |
| 12:35.32 | tryy3|Coding | nkuttler humph ok |
| 12:35.42 | surf | martxel, and actually also rhythmbox does not play so I suppose it's a gstreamer problem |
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| 12:36.06 | ceil | aguitel: oh. remove "Translation-pl" |
| 12:36.34 | aguitel | ceil, many languaje it check |
| 12:36.39 | ceil | aguitel: from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:38.37 | aguitel | ceil, this is my file:deb http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/debian/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 12:39.04 | ceil | i don't see anything about languages there :o |
| 12:39.43 | Iridos | which of the plethora of ocr tools in debian is the preferred one? |
| 12:40.33 | frikinz | ceil: there is something in apt.conf manpage about translations |
| 12:40.34 | aguitel | i found:http://oneofmanyworlds.blogspot.com.ar/2012/02/debian-wheezy-removing-unused-locales.html |
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| 12:53.38 | surf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.43 | surf | and totem as weel |
| 12:53.44 | surf | well |
| 12:54.42 | jelly | How do I go back to /bin/sh -> bash ? |
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| 12:56.04 | DelphiWorld | Hello |
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| 12:56.18 | DelphiWorld | i'm mounting a cf /dev/sdb1 into /mnt/cf, but i'm getting mount: Stale NFS file handle. anyone know why ? |
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| 12:56.29 | hhee | hi guys |
| 12:56.35 | xeon123 | When I try to eject safely the usb HD, debian hangs. Where can I see what the problem is? |
| 12:56.49 | hhee | how can i build my own .deb package? |
| 12:57.06 | daemonkeeper | !nmg |
| 12:57.07 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 12:57.29 | hhee | daemonkeeper : tnx! |
| 12:57.40 | DelphiWorld | ag4ve: hi shawn |
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| 12:59.59 | DelphiWorld | anyone ? mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/cf result in: mount: Stale NFS file handle |
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| 13:01.42 | boudiccas | how do i remove a source package installed under root please? i'm so used toinstall as root thati did the same with a souce deb, doh! |
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| 13:02.46 | frikinz | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure dash ? |
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| 13:03.57 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: dpkg -r ? |
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| 13:04.16 | boudiccas | k thanks |
| 13:04.22 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: try it |
| 13:05.07 | jelly | frikinz: it works! |
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| 13:05.46 | jelly | DelphiWorld: unmount the old /mnt or /mnt/cf first |
| 13:06.23 | jelly | DelphiWorld: inspect, and pastebin the output of "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 13:06.37 | DelphiWorld | jelly: it's not mounted |
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| 13:08.04 | linduxed | !sid |
| 13:08.04 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 13:13.56 | Iridos | jelly, the dash factoid tells how to go sh->dash ... so either same or reconfigure bash? |
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| 13:14.12 | Iridos | ops, too late |
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| 13:14.57 | jelly | Iridos: I already had dash, but my vendor scripts are not 20% cooler |
| 13:15.28 | Iridos | jelly, I was suggesting the same as <frikinz> jelly: dpkg-reconfigure dash ? |
| 13:15.51 | jelly | Iridos: oh. No cookie for you. |
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| 13:15.55 | Iridos | either that or dpkg-reconfigure bash probably give the option, I thought |
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| 13:18.20 | tomreyn | i need to copy data from remote server1 (which i can authentocate to using an ssh key) to remote server2 (which i can authenticate to using an ssh key). i've read that this is possible using agent forwarding, but i've also read that agent forwarding is considered somewhat insecure and should be prevented. |
| 13:18.34 | tomreyn | is there another way to achieve this in a more secure fashion? |
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| 13:19.45 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld, no, dpkg -r does NOT work. if i try dpkg -r source pogo, then it disregards source as its not installed and removes pogo which i want to keep. |
| 13:20.25 | boudiccas | the source was got by running [as root, the mistake was here] apt-get source pogo, and i want to remove the source package |
| 13:20.31 | Iridos | boudiccas, you cannot install source packages and source packages are not .deb, but dsc, ori.tar.gz and debian patches |
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| 13:21.05 | Iridos | boudiccas, that just downloads stuff into the directory you're in at that moment... |
| 13:21.35 | boudiccas | Iridos, so although it was 'installed' with aptget i can just delete it by hand then? |
| 13:21.47 | Iridos | boudiccas, ls -lad pogo* # check carefully what you are going to delete, then, if there is nothin unintended there, rm -rf pogo* |
| 13:22.05 | zaga | hello! |
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| 13:22.26 | zaga | i need help with alsa sound |
| 13:22.29 | Iridos | boudiccas, yes... it's not installed, just downloaded/unpacked for you to build the according .deb with |
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| 13:23.38 | zaga | debian squeeze doesn't work with qsstv and wsjt |
| 13:23.42 | Iridos | it's also not put in any central place, but to "here", i.e. whatever directory you are currently in |
| 13:23.57 | DelphiWorld | jelly: rebooted and still have mount: Stale NFS file handle |
| 13:24.09 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 13:25.05 | genetix | I am trying to build live on fly bootable media. I would be interested, if someone knows, if it would be possible to take debian standard HDD media add casper-rw to it install media to casper-rw and then wipe the casper-rw after use? |
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| 13:25.59 | jelly | DelphiWorld: ok... where's the cat /proc/mounts, though? |
| 13:26.05 | boudiccas | i'm folloing the tutorial at http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial and building in wheezy |
| 13:26.35 | genetix | or would it be better to resize and use 'squashfs' for this purpose? |
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| 13:26.46 | DelphiWorld | jelly: he was traveling, it's landing in your airport:-P |
| 13:26.48 | DelphiWorld | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/200757/ |
| 13:28.16 | DelphiWorld | genetix: i prefer squashfs |
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| 13:29.49 | jelly | DelphiWorld: ok, there's nothing suspicious in there. what does "blkid /dev/sdb1" say? |
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| 13:30.20 | genetix | Delphi, yeah me too until I did see that you have to determ packages to it |
| 13:30.25 | DelphiWorld | jelly: look: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="ROOT_FS" UUID="ec7d921d-4f93-485a-82f6-e80fe67be1d4" TYPE="ext2" |
| 13:30.40 | jelly | also looks sane |
| 13:30.59 | DelphiWorld | jelly: HMMMMMM... |
| 13:31.14 | jelly | DelphiWorld: what about ls -ld /mnt /mnt/cf |
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| 13:31.39 | jelly | DelphiWorld: you wouldn't have an autofs configuration messing with /mnt ? |
| 13:31.50 | mark_ | guys I need a bit of help configuring my fstab... I don't understand why everything gets mounted in root mode... everything started when I firstly edited it for the kindle..http://pastebin.com/g8nZ5gFb |
| 13:32.00 | DelphiWorld | jelly: nop |
| 13:32.37 | DelphiWorld | jelly: if i chouse any mountpoint... it's failing. how to specify fs while mounting ? |
| 13:32.50 | Chousuke | mark_: your fstab seems to be improperly formatted |
| 13:33.06 | Chousuke | mark_: starting with the cdrom line |
| 13:33.24 | mark_ | I wrote those lines.. |
| 13:33.28 | jelly | DelphiWorld: man mount, mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /some/place |
| 13:33.37 | jelly | er, sdb1, |
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| 13:34.09 | DelphiWorld | jelly: duh. same issue;( |
| 13:34.12 | Chousuke | oh, I misread a space as a , :P |
| 13:34.17 | DelphiWorld | jelly: i'lle try to make a new one and see |
| 13:34.24 | mark_ | Chousuke, I need a line for my usb devices and can't figure out what's wrong with that |
| 13:34.26 | Chousuke | can you specify two filesystems in fstab like that? |
| 13:34.33 | Chousuke | mark_: probably the "users" option |
| 13:34.43 | Chousuke | shouldn't it be "user" |
| 13:35.24 | zaga | can anybody help? qsstv doesn't work on my debian squeeze |
| 13:35.59 | Chousuke | mark_: also, is the "/media/dati" mount point intentional? :P |
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| 13:36.31 | DelphiWorld | jelly: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:36.53 | DelphiWorld | jelly: i removed partition. created new one. ext2 it and mounted. the one was unable to mount is voyage-Linux |
| 13:37.09 | mark_ | Chousuke, ah yeah that's intentional, then name is "dati" |
| 13:37.17 | mark_ | so I should change "users" in "user"? |
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| 13:37.56 | Chousuke | as far as I know, anyway |
| 13:38.17 | mark_ | Chousuke, I mean I would like to create a way to have my usb mounted with i.e. 777 |
| 13:38.23 | Chousuke | that will enable a user to mount the filesystem. |
| 13:38.28 | Chousuke | mark_: what filesystem is it |
| 13:38.34 | zaga | cry |
| 13:38.56 | Chousuke | mark_: anyway, check out the umask mount option |
| 13:39.01 | jelly | DelphiWorld: weird |
| 13:39.01 | mark_ | Chousuke, I would like to create a specific entry for kindle which is kinda strange to mount and a general way for the other usb (usually fat32) |
| 13:39.08 | DelphiWorld | jelly: :D |
| 13:39.11 | nsadmin | Chousuke you can enable a user to mount one specific filesystem on one specific mount point |
| 13:39.24 | Chousuke | I know that. |
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| 13:40.15 | Chousuke | mark_: you should probably use a UUID for the kindle then |
| 13:40.16 | no_gravity | Good Afternoon from Germany! When I install a machine with 16gig ram - should I create a swap partition at all? |
| 13:40.49 | nsadmin | depends on how you want to use the machine |
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| 13:41.31 | Chousuke | mark_: you can see what its UUID is by attaching it and running blkid |
| 13:41.33 | zaga | no_gravity, for sql server - maybe or for another big soft |
| 13:41.50 | mark_ | Chousuke, ok so an entry with UUID for kindle and a general "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 " for the usb? |
| 13:42.02 | nsadmin | is it your main desktop? a server 10.000 km from you? your toaster or microwave? |
| 13:42.04 | no_gravity | zaga: hmm.. its just a desktop machine. we only run vim and firefox. |
| 13:42.07 | Chousuke | mark_: something like that. possibly with a umask option |
| 13:42.34 | zaga | no_gravity, O_o |
| 13:42.47 | Chousuke | mark_: then again, it's hard to guarantee that all usb devices you attack will be /dev/sdb |
| 13:43.03 | Chousuke | mark_: so you'd ideally need some kind of automounter daemon that can do it for you. |
| 13:43.06 | nsadmin | no_gravity, I'd say it's up to you |
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| 13:43.13 | mark_ | Chousuke, yeah, that's the problem. what if they are sdc? |
| 13:43.19 | Chousuke | but for the kindle, using UUID should be fine. |
| 13:43.21 | mark_ | Chousuke, so autofs? |
| 13:43.27 | zaga | no_gravity, wow! i think, if u want suspend to ram your PC - you need swap too |
| 13:43.32 | nsadmin | you might want to investigate what happens when you run out of ram |
| 13:43.36 | zaga | sorry for my english |
| 13:43.46 | Chousuke | I really don't know the best solution. I've relied on gnome handling it correctly so far :P |
| 13:43.47 | nsadmin | you have an english?! |
| 13:44.10 | no_gravity | zaga: i never suspend. |
| 13:44.15 | jelly | slaps nsadmin |
| 13:44.30 | nsadmin | turns 90 degrees |
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| 13:44.32 | mark_ | Chousuke, mmm so I should put just an entry with UUID for my kindle and nothing else? |
| 13:44.45 | zaga | nsadmin, i mean my english language =( just school course |
| 13:44.49 | Chousuke | mark_: if you're using gnome, that should be fine. |
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| 13:44.59 | Chousuke | gnome would then automount any unfamiliar usb devices |
| 13:45.01 | nsadmin | zaga, I understand you perfectly... so far :) |
| 13:45.07 | Chousuke | and respect fstab for the rest, I think |
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| 13:45.45 | zaga | no_gravity, and again, all my PC always have swap |
| 13:46.00 | Chousuke | I'm sure there are automounting solutions that don't rely on gnome but I don't know anything about that :P |
| 13:46.01 | mark_ | Chousuke, ok, so now I removed the entry for the usb, saved fstab and plugged in a key. gnome3 mounts it but iit's root |
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| 13:46.12 | no_gravity | zaga: yes, mine always had too. but usually 10 gig swap. so now that i have 16 gig ram it feels kind of stupid to still make a swap partition. |
| 13:46.24 | Chousuke | mark_: and the filesystem is fat32? |
| 13:46.27 | mark_ | yes |
| 13:46.30 | Chousuke | hm :/ |
| 13:46.50 | nsadmin | no_gravity, how much contiguous disk space you have left? |
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| 13:47.02 | zaga | no_gravity, at the beginnig at the disk. when i have failure on hdd, or take mistake dd if=some.iso of=/dev/sda not sdb (flas) your have chance to recovery all |
| 13:47.12 | weeb1e | Good day everyone |
| 13:47.12 | Chousuke | try checking the drive's properties in gnome's disk utility? IIRC gnome has an option somewhere to mount it as a user. |
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| 13:47.40 | zaga | flas -> mean flash |
| 13:47.43 | mark_ | Chousuke, what is gnome's disk utility? |
| 13:48.07 | weeb1e | What is the easiest way that I can update schedutils ("util-linux" on debian)? I need the latest version on taskset, the same one that is the latest version in the ubuntu repo |
| 13:48.11 | Chousuke | gnome calls it "disk utility". on the command line it's "palimpsest" |
| 13:48.25 | zaga | ok, i must go home. perhaps, later anybody can help me |
| 13:48.26 | no_gravity | nsadmin: 128gigs |
| 13:48.32 | Chousuke | but I don't remember if the option is there or somewhere else. |
| 13:48.37 | Chousuke | let me look around a bit |
| 13:48.43 | no_gravity | zaga: what? was that for me? |
| 13:48.59 | mark_ | Chousuke, oh, nice, nevers seen it |
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| 13:50.44 | zaga | no_gravity, look upper. i wrote about my confuse a... two-three week ago. i have mistake when make boot usb and wrote iso on my main hard drive =( |
| 13:50.55 | mark_ | Chousuke, mmm ok, /media/usb0 is root... but if I chmod 777 the folder nothing changes... |
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| 13:51.28 | no_gravity | zaga: aha |
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| 13:51.38 | Chousuke | mark_: fat32 doesn't support filesystem permissions |
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| 13:52.17 | mark_ | Chousuke, ? |
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| 13:52.49 | Chousuke | mark_: linux imposes a "permissions" on it but they aren't actually stored on the filesystem. they're defined at mount time |
| 13:52.51 | nsadmin | no_gravity, hmm. an old recommendation suggested 2x ram,,, suspend to disk probably needs 1x ram plus a little (you already said you don't want to suspend)... I still say it's up to you with the caveat you should look into what happens when you run out of ram |
| 13:52.51 | niels1 | you can mount it with options so that the group/user is one you specify. how to do that with gnome automounting tho, i don't know |
| 13:52.52 | Chousuke | -a |
| 13:53.02 | mark_ | Chousuke, ok, from the palimpsest if I try to umount it says "gimme password because another user mounted this disk" |
| 13:53.19 | Chousuke | hmmh |
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| 13:53.42 | mark_ | so it seems it's always root mounting it... |
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| 13:54.18 | Chousuke | can you ls -ld the mount point and see who the owning group/user is? |
| 13:54.33 | mark_ | root root on /media/usb0 |
| 13:54.42 | Chousuke | okay. hmm |
| 13:54.50 | tim_flatus | I have installed wheezy on a 12" powerbook g4 with a GeForce Go 5200 on board, which I'm running with nouveau.noaccel=1. I'd like to get the touchpad mouse working and play videos - VLC will show me the first frame of any video (except flash, naturally) but not play it. Can anyone give me a clue? |
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| 13:56.03 | weeb1e | Is there an easier way to update to the latest util-linux than to compile the source? |
| 13:56.14 | Chousuke | mark_: in my case, plugging in a fat32 drive simply works :/ |
| 13:56.25 | Chousuke | so I don't know what's up with your system |
| 13:56.25 | tim_flatus | Wierdly glxgears runs with an FPS of just over 60. |
| 13:56.30 | Chousuke | mark_: did you remove the fstab entry? |
| 13:56.32 | yareckon | anyone got a stable solution for working on documents on windows / samba shares using testing? |
| 13:56.36 | mark_ | Chousuke, yes |
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| 13:57.07 | yareckon | would be happy to hear any solution that 1) is stable and 2) doesn't require me to own / reconfigure the server |
| 13:57.43 | Chousuke | mark_: maybe it's somehow still using the old fstab configuration? maybe restart gnome? |
| 13:57.49 | mark_ | ok I'll try |
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| 13:58.05 | yareckon | I have been using gvfs-mount to try to mount a bunch of shares when logging into the work computer, and about halfway through the day gvfs or fuse crashes and I have to restart to get netbeans or kate to work with the shares |
| 13:58.20 | yareckon | native gnomeish programs such as nautilus and gedit still work |
| 13:58.46 | yareckon | really freaking annoying, and wondering if anyone has a bulletproof alternative |
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| 13:59.36 | niels1 | yareckon, do you mean the share is on a windows system and you want to access it using linux? have you tried mounting it as cifs filesystem? (install cifs-utils, if they aren't already installed) |
| 13:59.50 | yareckon | you've got it |
| 14:00.03 | yareckon | it's a creaky old samba server o nthe other end actually, but same deal |
| 14:00.23 | nsadmin | so it's not windows? |
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| 14:00.41 | nsadmin | the work server with the shares that is |
| 14:00.46 | yareckon | yup |
| 14:00.47 | gabrimonfa | hi all are there any compatibility issue for debian stable on HP dl360g8? |
| 14:01.02 | yareckon | yup means "not windows" sorry |
| 14:01.19 | nsadmin | got that, thanks :) |
| 14:01.28 | niels1 | well, try mounting it with cifs filesystem anyway, yareckon |
| 14:01.32 | tim_flatus | I'm getting the error: No available XVideo adaptor - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:02.03 | nsadmin | when you say creaky, I can imagine... but can you get more specific about that? |
| 14:02.32 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Are you running Linux at the moment? |
| 14:02.51 | tim_flatus | Am I doing someting really dumb or am I just struggling with badly supported hardware? |
| 14:02.51 | yareckon | well, creaky means an old vm our sysadmin is unwilling to upgrade because it works well enough for the windows majority |
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| 14:03.13 | gabrimonfa | babilen: yes. why? |
| 14:03.17 | yareckon | googling about mount cifs |
| 14:03.31 | yareckon | may have not used this because of creds issues? |
| 14:03.43 | yareckon | tries to remember |
| 14:03.52 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Wonderful -- Could you paste the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ? (I want to check on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/) |
| 14:04.20 | yareckon | I want something where I'm not putting my user password in *too* many config files in plaintext |
| 14:04.33 | ceil | pansy |
| 14:04.35 | niels1 | yareckon, you can give credentials when mointing with cifs. the best option may be to create a credentials file and give that as option to the mount command line. or you may specify the user and pass directly as options, but that's not as secure |
| 14:04.36 | ceil | :) |
| 14:04.37 | gabrimonfa | babilen. I'm not on a HP dl360g8. I'm looking to buy it |
| 14:04.40 | gabrimonfa | :) |
| 14:04.50 | niels1 | yareckon, ah, i see |
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| 14:06.42 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Ah, ok. Well, that complicates the issue a little. In general: You can easily install a newer 3.2 Debian kernel and other software (Xorg, ...) from backports (/msg dpkg backports). You might also be interested in running/installing a development release (wheezy/testing) with the recently released beta2 installer (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) |
| 14:07.27 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Do you have detailed technical information of that product? There are a number of hardware compatibility lists/search engines that you can use to check. |
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| 14:07.48 | mark_ | Chousuke, nothing,rebooted but no improvements |
| 14:07.49 | tim_flatus | Oh I think I see the problem. |
| 14:07.56 | mark_ | Chousuke, "only boot can umount /dev/sdb1" |
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| 14:08.54 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: Maybe that's "root", not "boot"? |
| 14:08.57 | niels1 | yareckon, well, i guess you could craft a script that let's you enter the credentials and then pass them to mount via a dynamically created credentials file (possibly on a tmpfs), that you delete immediately after the mount has succeeded (or failed) |
| 14:09.09 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, yes, sorry typo |
| 14:09.37 | mark_ | but the problem remains :S how does gnome tread usb devices mount? |
| 14:10.29 | yareckon | neils1, I think I'm ready to just throw the pw creds in a creds file and take the security hit |
| 14:10.47 | yareckon | can't have the windows using devs be more productive now, can we |
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| 14:11.10 | yareckon | if the file is only readable by my user, it's not too crazy |
| 14:11.28 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Googling for that server + debian brings up *some* issues people had with the raid controller. It was easily solved by using a newer kernel and you can use the "/msg dpkg kmuto" installer for the installation. I can't really give a more detailed analysis without the PCI-IDs of the components that are used in that box. |
| 14:11.45 | yareckon | just wish the fancy gnome keyringy gui mount nautilus magic solutions were freaking stable |
| 14:12.18 | niels1 | well, gotta go |
| 14:12.19 | babilen | gabrimonfa: Given that you are probably providing services on that box I would *not* recommend to install testing/wheezy on it. Please disregard that option/recommendation. :) |
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| 14:12.23 | yareckon | thanks man |
| 14:12.31 | mark_ | guys I need help with mounting usb sticks with deb wheezy |
| 14:12.38 | yareckon | niels1++ |
| 14:12.50 | mark_ | it always mount as root even if I have no entries about usb in the fstab |
| 14:12.51 | gabrimonfa | babilen: ok thx you |
| 14:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: They're mounting ro and you need user rw? |
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| 14:13.01 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, exactly |
| 14:13.42 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, should I add a fstab entry or what' |
| 14:14.05 | nsadmin | mark_, when you look at all the mechanisms for mounting anything, at their core they still call mount() which is root-only... maybe you mean something soecific when you say "mount as root"? |
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| 14:15.10 | mark_ | nsadmin, simply I mean that in nautilus I can only read them and I cannot umount them as user != root |
| 14:15.21 | nsadmin | that just means "the user who is allowed to mount things is root (when looking deep under the hood)" |
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| 14:15.42 | nsadmin | it doesn't speak to permissions inside the filesystem tho |
| 14:15.43 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: That's what I did. |
| 14:15.47 | mark_ | nsadmin, yeah, so is there a way to say "hey lemme mount" or I should write a line in fstab? |
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| 14:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: I configured the device to mount user rw in fstab, but as far as unmonting goes that's not required. |
| 14:16.34 | nsadmin | there are these things called automounters which look for new devices plugged in and mount those somewhere |
| 14:16.45 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: You should be able to right-click the device notifier and choose to safely remove. |
| 14:16.46 | nsadmin | and as you say there are fstab entries |
| 14:16.47 | mark_ | so I need udev? |
| 14:17.09 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: You should also be able to right-click the device in /media in your file manager and safely remove it. |
| 14:17.12 | nsadmin | if you're squeeze or better, you should have udev |
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| 14:17.34 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, if I do it from nautilus it says that only root can umount |
| 14:17.44 | mark_ | nsadmin, so the way is install and configure "autofs"? |
| 14:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: You can also write a udev rule to mount it user rw. |
| 14:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: autofs is something else. |
| 14:18.13 | nsadmin | I don't exactly know what autofs is... is it an automounter? |
| 14:18.39 | mark_ | nsadmin, should be |
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| 14:19.44 | boudiccas | right, i've rebuilt pogo from ubuntu source to a debian wheezy deb. its presently called 'pogo_0.8-1~538~precise1_all.deb' can i rename it just 'pogo_0.8-1~538.deb' without compromising its integrity please? |
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| 14:20.04 | mark_ | so if I write a "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 " it should work? |
| 14:20.40 | nsadmin | boudiccas, there are programs which will read the file name... |
| 14:20.50 | mark_ | can I write a "general" rule or not? I mean, what happens if I plug 2 usbs? |
| 14:20.54 | nsadmin | what's the problem with the name? |
| 14:21.25 | boudiccas | nsadmin, its still remaining the ubuntu nomenclature showing which architecture it was for |
| 14:21.45 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: autofs is an automounter that we used to use for things like mounting CDs and network shares, mounts on attempt to access mount point, unmounts when idle. |
| 14:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: I'd suggest you compare your testing system with stable and see what's different. |
| 14:22.47 | jhutchins_wk | mark_: While I don't use gnome, that's not how I would expect the system to behave. You may need to reinstall to clean up some changed code. |
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| 14:23.05 | nsadmin | boudiccas, check out the control file |
| 14:23.06 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, I just upgraded and it was a bit painfull... |
| 14:23.19 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, so I'd prefer not to clean reinstall if possible... |
| 14:23.29 | nsadmin | boudiccas, the arch for that .deb is "all" |
| 14:23.44 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, the fact is that it's not my pc, if not I wouldn't have problem to sudo umount a key |
| 14:24.07 | boudiccas | nsadmin, k, thanks |
| 14:24.44 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, umount: only root can unmount /dev/sdb1 from /media/usb0 |
| 14:24.45 | nsadmin | boudiccas, whatcha looking to do? learn new stuff? do something specific? |
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| 14:24.52 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, when I umount from nautilus... |
| 14:24.54 | boudiccas | nsadmin, m a 'precise' ubuntu ppa, and i'vfrom source for wheezy, but i'll hae another look atg it, thanks |
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| 14:25.27 | nsadmin | welcome. |
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| 14:25.40 | boudiccas | nsadmin, rebuild a ubuntu source programme for wheezy, with no dependencies. thats the goal |
| 14:26.03 | mark_ | so if I browse /media/ I see that the usb folder is "root root" as permissions... |
| 14:26.06 | nsadmin | is it C source? or what's it written in? |
| 14:26.08 | mark_ | so I imagine that's the problem |
| 14:26.24 | boudiccas | nsadmin, python |
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| 14:26.47 | mark_ | and still dunno how to solve it. I wrote a line in fstab but doesn't change anything "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0autorw,user,noauto00" |
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| 14:27.03 | nsadmin | then it would need to depend on some version of python, and possibly on one or more python modules |
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| 14:27.56 | boudiccas | nsadmin, the ubuntu version runs quite happily under wheezy, with wheezy's default python |
| 14:28.18 | nsadmin | then it should depend on that :) |
| 14:28.19 | boudiccas | nsadmin, and now so does the wheezy version run happily |
| 14:29.27 | nsadmin | you could just put "Depends: python" |
| 14:29.51 | nsadmin | and then installing that package would also install python if not already |
| 14:30.12 | nsadmin | are you saying you don't want deps on ubuntu pkgs? |
| 14:30.22 | mark_ | jhutchins_wk, what you mean to compare? |
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| 14:33.29 | nsadmin | boudiccas, of course, they run happily because python happens to be installed :) |
| 14:33.49 | mark_ | also with "defaults" in fstab doesn't work |
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| 14:34.35 | boudiccas | nsadmin, the ubuntu binary package of pogo installed quite happily on wheezy, adn only threw up an error in that it wasnt gpg signed |
| 14:34.38 | linux-fox | bye, everyone |
| 14:35.38 | boudiccas | nsadmin, IOW, i hadnt imported the key from the ppa into the 'package tree'? i'm not sure what to call it |
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| 14:36.54 | boudiccas | nsadmin, what would the 'control' file be called, i dont see one specifically called 'control' |
| 14:37.11 | nsadmin | should be in the source, debian/control |
| 14:39.21 | boudiccas | nsadmin, ah, yes, got it thanks |
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| 14:40.07 | boudiccas | in the control file i see 'Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~) Build-Depends-Indep: python (>=2.5), python-support' but nothing fromits install dependencies |
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| 14:41.36 | nsadmin | anything I could say now would be a guess... would you like to take a trip to oftc for #debian-mentors? |
| 14:42.42 | somiaj | depending on how your package is set up, I thought a lot of the depends are detected by the debian build scripts when actually building the binary |
| 14:42.54 | boudiccas | nsadmin, this is the control file .. http://dpaste.com/813897/ |
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| 14:43.05 | somiaj | this is why a backported package can have different depends than the upstream package |
| 14:43.23 | Jayzee | http://ispire.me/installing-openstack-on-debian-wheezy-single-node/ |
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| 14:43.52 | Jayzee | http://ispire.me/installing-openstack-on-debian-wheezy-single-node/ |
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| 14:44.39 | boudiccas | this rebuild is fascinating! |
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| 14:44.57 | TheWarden | Hi, is it possible to have two different processes writing to the same log file? |
| 14:45.18 | TheWarden | more specific, its logging stdout and stderr to the same log file. |
| 14:45.30 | mark_ | guys could you give me a line for the fstab to try to mount a usb key? the one I have now does not work /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user 0 0 |
| 14:45.31 | nsadmin | so the first stanza is about pogo source, and (among others) what it takes to build the package... the next stanza describes tne runtime depends |
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| 14:45.43 | boudiccas | nsadmin, yes |
| 14:45.51 | somiaj | TheWarden: yes but you want ways to ensure they both don't open and write at the same time |
| 14:46.02 | somiaj | TheWarden: but if you just want to redirect both stdout and sdterr to a log file |
| 14:46.10 | somiaj | TheWarden: do something like 2>&1 >> logfile |
| 14:46.24 | nsadmin | when the pkg is built, it receives those deps |
| 14:46.25 | somiaj | TheWarden: the first part redirect stderr (2) into stdout (1) and then redirect stdout to the logfile |
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| 14:46.52 | boudiccas | nsadmin, yes, i was wrong about its dependencies |
| 14:46.53 | TheWarden | somiaj: that's what I'm doing but saying that then I guess it is possible that both could write to the same file at the same time. I best have two different log files then. Thanks. |
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| 14:47.49 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea the issue is if they both open, write and then close the logfil at the same time you may loose some logs that way. I think there are tools to do this, I am just not familar with them |
| 14:48.10 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay, thanks. |
| 14:48.19 | frikinz | something like logger / syslog |
| 14:48.27 | nsadmin | so the testcase would be, "on a system with just the base installed, would installing this one (using apt/apt-get) cause everything needed to be installed?" and if yes, test passes |
| 14:48.30 | somiaj | TheWarden: i.e. instead of having two processes write directally to the logfile, have them write to a loger which then writes the file. But again if it is just stderr and stdout wanting to be directed to a file you can do that above. |
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| 14:49.26 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I could use logger, for this purpose I think 2<&1 will do the job with two files. Thanks. |
| 14:49.26 | boudiccas | nsadmin, i haventr got a 'clean base system', its got gnome3, xfce, and bits of kde too. a right hotchpotch but its working |
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| 14:49.50 | somiaj | TheWarden: 2>&1 >> logfile -- your redirect was backwards. |
| 14:49.54 | nsadmin | you could build a chroot :) |
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| 14:50.33 | frikinz | somiaj: both works but < just doesn't look nice |
| 14:50.37 | nsadmin | make sure if you decide to do that, that you put the pogo package in an aptable repo |
| 14:50.47 | TheWarden | somiaj: Oh well I have command > file.log 2<&1 |
| 14:50.55 | mark_ | if I run mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/chiavetta/ the reply is mount: only root can do that |
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| 14:51.11 | TheWarden | somiaj: either or will work I thought. |
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| 14:51.24 | boudiccas | nsadmin, i've only got a squeeze install disc and only 50gig spare, but i could d/l the wheezy d-i and try that, if i can find a wiki tutorial for building a chroot |
| 14:51.27 | nsadmin | TheWarden, you probably want 2>&1 |
| 14:51.43 | somiaj | TheWarden: I thought it really mattered the direction you wanted to redirect things 2>&1 I thought redirects stderr to stdout, while 2<&1 would reidrect stdout to stderr |
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| 14:52.12 | somiaj | by default > only redirects stdout, so you want to make sure you redirect to stdout. (But I don't know the details for sure, just reading what I think is going on) |
| 14:52.27 | nsadmin | 50g is wayyyy more than you need :) conservative max, 2g... and you can blow it away when youre done |
| 14:52.44 | nsadmin | you don't have to do all that... |
| 14:52.44 | somiaj | boudiccas: look into debootstrat |
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| 14:53.13 | somiaj | boudiccas: but with debootstrap you can easily download what ever version you want and put the files in any dir on your system. |
| 14:53.14 | nsadmin | s/t$/p |
| 14:53.35 | somiaj | boudiccas: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 14:53.35 | boudiccas | nsadmin, when i'm done, i've got another ubuntu programme i want to rebuild called 'hexenchat', a fork of xchat |
| 14:53.56 | boudiccas | somiaj, okay, thanks |
| 14:55.25 | somiaj | TheWarden: note you can also use things like 2> foo (that will only redirect stderr but leave stdout alone) |
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| 15:07.21 | ed8 | hi, I got an issue with the MySQL package on a Squeeze : http://pastebin.com/mPUT1eCm |
| 15:07.22 | jelly | itym hexchat |
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| 15:08.12 | Sm0ke0ut | it's says lenny though... |
| 15:08.30 | Sm0ke0ut | oh wait, that's one of the keypair |
| 15:08.56 | ompaul | ed8: have you spoken to #debian-fr |
| 15:08.57 | Sm0ke0ut | seems the mysqld is already running |
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| 15:09.17 | ompaul | ed8: here or oftc |
| 15:09.51 | Sm0ke0ut | shut down the mysql daemon and try `apt-get -f install` |
| 15:09.57 | slipshot | anyone get ddclient 3.8.1 working in wheezy? |
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| 15:10.56 | ed8 | ompaul: yep still running, but mysql stop fail |
| 15:11.02 | boudiccas | jelly, you're right, it is 'hexchat' and i'm using it now :) |
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| 15:11.49 | ompaul | ed8: ps auwx | grep mysql and put that in paste.debian.net |
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| 15:12.14 | Iridos | boudiccas, what I don't get is, what your actual problem was :) You said you rebuilt a package for wheezy from an ubuntu source packkage and it installs and runs fine... |
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| 15:13.03 | ed8 | ompaul: ps -aux : http://pastebin.com/zGuEfAQR |
| 15:13.17 | ompaul | ed8: note paste.debian.net |
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| 15:14.55 | ompaul | ed8: and the commands you can try as root are /etc/init.d/mysqld stop and service mysqld stop depending on what version you are running |
| 15:15.40 | Sm0ke0ut | and if everything fails `pkill -9 mysqld` but that might cause data loss etc... |
| 15:16.10 | ompaul | no if everything fails you remove it from the starting process and shut down the machine |
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| 15:16.46 | ed8 | ompaul: I'm working as root |
| 15:17.18 | ompaul | ed8: so try both of those and using paste.debian.net tell us what happens if it fails |
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| 15:18.56 | ed8 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/200812/ |
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| 15:19.21 | boudiccas | when creating a wheezy chroot under cd / and mkdir /wheezy-chroot , presumably its all done with root, else you cant write to / ? i'm just checking to see if i understand what i've read |
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| 15:20.16 | boudiccas | Iridos, its the first time i'd done it, and wasnt sure if i'd done it all correctly |
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| 15:20.54 | ed8 | ompaul: so it just fail |
| 15:21.10 | ompaul | ed8: maybe you should look at the commands I gave you, not the ones you ran ;-) |
| 15:21.19 | ompaul | d as in daemon |
| 15:21.24 | ompaul | mysqld |
| 15:21.59 | ed8 | ompaul: I don't have such file/init |
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| 15:22.26 | boudiccas | ed8, init.d |
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| 15:22.46 | ompaul | ed8: /etc/init.d/mysqld stop and service mysqld stop |
| 15:22.48 | shicy | hello |
| 15:22.53 | ed8 | boudiccas: yep I only got 'mysql' |
| 15:23.00 | boudiccas | ed8, slow down and look and read what ompaul has said to you |
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| 15:23.07 | shicy | my comp has integrated graphic card and ati radeon hd 3450 |
| 15:23.37 | shicy | and, when i install any version of debian, it cannot reach even console |
| 15:23.40 | shicy | :( |
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| 15:23.51 | shicy | does anyone know what could be problem? |
| 15:24.06 | ompaul | shicy: you say any version of debian, could you be more specific? |
| 15:24.25 | shicy | i've tried to install squeeze, wheezy, testing and sid |
| 15:24.38 | shicy | always the same problem |
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| 15:25.12 | frikinz | boudiccas: you can do the debootstrap as user as long as you can write in the directory. through fakeroot you'll even be able to create root owned files under this dir (root files are needed for a ... |
| 15:25.17 | frikinz | ... debian install). the chroot has to be done as root though |
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| 15:25.33 | shicy | i've even tried to install debian without DE |
| 15:25.36 | slipshot | anyone in here use opendns? |
| 15:25.44 | shicy | and even then i got the same problem |
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| 15:26.16 | ed8 | boudiccas: ompaul I don't have such file/service |
| 15:26.32 | ompaul | ed8: what is the error message when you try the command I gave you |
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| 15:27.45 | ed8 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/200816/ |
| 15:27.46 | mtn | slipshot: sure. what's up? |
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| 15:27.58 | ed8 | ompaul: "no such file" |
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| 15:28.41 | ompaul | ed8: you don't understand at all do you .... tghat was two commands please join #debian-fr |
| 15:28.46 | ed8 | ompaul: I'm on a x64 system, here the 5.1.49-3 is mark as red : http://packages.debian.org/hu/squeeze/mysql-server-5.1#pdownload what does that mean ? |
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| 15:29.00 | Iridos | boudiccas, well... if it all works, sounds good... you'll find out if or when it breaks :P (which still isn't necessarily your current port's fault) |
| 15:29.01 | ed8 | ompaul: none work~ |
| 15:29.15 | ompaul | ed8: one last time |
| 15:29.27 | slipshot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.38 | ompaul | ed8: /etc/init.d/mysqld stop |
| 15:29.45 | ompaul | ed8: OR |
| 15:29.53 | mtn | slipshot: nope, haven't tried it. |
| 15:30.00 | ompaul | ed8: service mysqld stop |
| 15:30.24 | ed8 | ompaul: what don't you understand when I told you I don't have this service/file, I only have 'mysql' (no final d) |
| 15:30.28 | mtn | slipshot: the best way to get help is to explain your problem, what you have tried and what happened. |
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| 15:30.41 | ompaul | ed8: and you have not run the commands as requested |
| 15:30.46 | frikinz | slipshot: ddclient is to update dyndns, not opendns |
| 15:31.09 | tux-world | hi all. after installing ibsng package off of package manager action is faile now: http://paste.debian.net/200815/ |
| 15:31.15 | ratcheer | slipshot: I use OpenDNS |
| 15:31.28 | ompaul | ed8: I don't care if there is or is not a file I want error messages I want them done the way I ask and I want them in paste.debian.net also you might like to tell us how you installed mysql |
| 15:32.14 | ed8 | ompaul: I did as you say and paste them |
| 15:32.16 | ratcheer | slipshot: Sorry, no. I don't even know about ddclient. |
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| 15:32.35 | ompaul | ed8: you did not do it exactly as I said - look at your pastes |
| 15:32.39 | Iriee | http://ispire.me |
| 15:32.48 | ompaul | shoots Iriee |
| 15:33.03 | ompaul | !ops spam Iriee |
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| 15:33.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: spam Iriee |
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| 15:33.27 | babilen | ompaul: thanks |
| 15:33.27 | ed8 | ompaul: so here again: http://paste.debian.net/200818/ |
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| 15:33.45 | ompaul | babilen: well I do try ;-) |
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| 15:34.20 | ompaul | ed8: thank you --- how did you install mysql? |
| 15:34.53 | ed8 | ompaul: I'm not the one that install it... |
| 15:35.00 | frikinz | hum strange PS1 |
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| 15:36.22 | slipshot | ddclient 3.8.1 supports freedns but when i try to run it after install i get (Error loading the Perl module Digest::SHA1 needed for freedns update. FATAL: On Debian, the package libdigest-sha1-perl must be installed) the only trouble is theres no such package. i have tried searching for it in synaptic and used various searches. libgiest, libgiest-sha, sha1-perl, and still nothing. |
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| 15:37.47 | saedelaere | hi there, anybody an idea how I can get oursql running on debain squeeze with python 3? I can build it for python2 but not for python3 |
| 15:37.56 | ansgar | slipshot: File a bug that they should use Digest::SHA instead. |
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| 15:38.26 | david_ | hello all |
| 15:39.09 | peterS | slipshot: you didn't find libdigest-sha-perl in sid? it's there |
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| 15:39.37 | peterS | the error message is a bit out of date - the module no longer has the "1" in its name |
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| 15:39.45 | ompaul | ed8: one last tool mysqladmin shutdown |
| 15:39.50 | david_ | is this the main support channel for debian? |
| 15:40.00 | ansgar | peterS: That's a different module. |
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| 15:40.15 | peterS | ansgar: it doesn't include Digest::SHA1? |
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| 15:40.43 | ed8 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/200821/ |
| 15:40.47 | ansgar | peterS: No, but you can just replace Digest::SHA1 with Digest::SHA (unless you use one specific function). |
| 15:41.19 | peterS | ahhh, so whoever maintained libdigest-sha1-perl just didn't know it was still in use at the time of the RM: request? |
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| 15:41.52 | ansgar | peterS: Well, there was no package depending or recommending it any longer when I removed libdigest-sha1-perl. |
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| 15:42.12 | peterS | ahh. yeah ddclient should probably at least Recommend it, eh |
| 15:42.57 | ansgar | peterS: No, it should use Digest::SHA (which is part of perl so you usually don't need libdigest-sha-perl either). |
| 15:43.08 | peterS | oh indeed. that makes sense. |
| 15:43.21 | peterS | I knew Digest::MD5 was part of the core, didn't know about Digest::SHA |
| 15:43.21 | slipshot | how would i go about filing a bug report? ive never done that before... |
| 15:43.27 | ompaul | david_: there are two, one here and one on oftc ask your question and find out what happens next |
| 15:43.28 | saedelaere | and why is pysvn only available for python2? |
| 15:43.38 | peterS | slipshot: 'reportbug ddclient' - it will lead you through the process with a lot of prompting |
| 15:43.45 | ansgar | slipshot: I can do it too. |
| 15:44.08 | peterS | saedelaere: python2 and python3 are different enough that a lot of code only supports one or the other. so that's not surprising. |
| 15:44.30 | cassio | hey guys. I seem to be having a problem with shortcuts to change my screen brightness. I'm running sid with KDE 4.8.4. I can change the brightness fine via the gui in System Settings, but whenever I press the keyboard shortcut, the screen just goes to the lowest brightness setting. Any ideas what could be going on? |
| 15:44.32 | peterS | saedelaere: likewise the 'official' python bindings, python-subversion, only support python2 |
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| 15:45.23 | saedelaere | but pysvn officially support python 3 :) |
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| 15:45.44 | peterS | saedelaere: oh, then, file a bug against the debian package asking them to test and add python3 packaging support |
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| 15:47.15 | lawe | jjjjjjjjjjjio17:45 <Fuchs> so if he is serious about that, he should be able to find it without any problems |
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| 15:47.57 | peterS | saedelaere: a couple years ago, one of the subversion upstream developers tried to add python3 support to the official python-subversion bindings - but the workarounds and special code needed to make it work with both py2 and py3 were deemed too ugly to bother to merge his work into the main stream |
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| 15:48.31 | david_ | to be quit honest I am here to check out how active this IRC channel is. Its important to me because I am considering this distro as my main OS. Curretnly I am on openSUSE but the IRC for them is dead and I usally get help from IRC's. |
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| 15:48.59 | peterS | david_: activity will vary a lot over time of day and time of week, as you might expect |
| 15:49.32 | ed8 | ompaul: could you compare you ls -l /var/lib/mysql/ with mine http://paste.debian.net/200827/ |
| 15:50.06 | ed8 | Some thread evoke problem with rights |
| 15:50.10 | saedelaere | peterS: I see. Unfortunately we had to develop an application with python 3 as we need to access a keepass database. And the only bindings available ar for python3. On my machine here it works great but debian squeeze gets a little bit rusty :D |
| 15:50.11 | ompaul | ed8: not in a building with mysql atm |
| 15:50.46 | ed8 | ompaul: do you have files with 'root:root' rights ? |
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| 15:50.49 | peterS | saedelaere: interesting, I don't see a pythong keepass module in debian at all |
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| 15:51.02 | peterS | perhaps you'd like to package it (: |
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| 15:51.15 | ivo888 | hi |
| 15:51.37 | ivo888 | i want to install dcc-4.3, but synaptic ask me to remove too much other packages.... |
| 15:51.40 | ansgar | slipshot: http://bugs.debian.org/690568 |
| 15:51.42 | ivo888 | why? |
| 15:51.52 | saedelaere | peterS: yes kppy needs also to be installed on this server here :) and making a package? why not, if I have enough time... |
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| 15:52.39 | slipshot | thank you ansgar |
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| 15:53.04 | saedelaere | here is the link to the module in case anyone else is interested |
| 15:53.05 | saedelaere | http://www.nongnu.org/kppy/ |
| 15:54.48 | peterS | saedelaere: interesting - libfile-keepass-perl also only supports v1 kp files. I wonder why nobody is supporting v2 .kdbx files yet. |
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| 15:57.26 | ed8 | ompaul: does removing the package will remove data ? |
| 15:57.38 | rdz | i put a script into /etc/init.d and added symlinks to /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d, but still the script does not get called on shutdown. what is my mistake? |
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| 15:58.06 | stomanata_ | hi, i want to install dcc-4.3, but synaptic ask me to remove too much other packages.... why? |
| 15:58.08 | peterS | rdz: could be a lot of things. for example, is it executable? (chmod +x) |
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| 15:58.41 | rdz | peterS, it is executable. this works: /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 15:58.41 | peterS | stomanata_: debian has no package named dcc-4.3 |
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| 15:58.51 | ed8 | I did a backup just in case, but I was wondering |
| 15:59.07 | stomanata_ | i see it in synaptic :) |
| 15:59.11 | peterS | stomanata_: so wherever you got your "dcc-4.3" package, we probably can't help you with it |
| 15:59.28 | peterS | stomanata_: 'apt-cache policy dcc-4.3' will tell you where it would come from - can you tell us? |
| 15:59.40 | rdz | peterS, however, this is inside an openvz container, probably things work differently when shutting down a container |
| 15:59.58 | peterS | rdz: ah yeah I don't know how the openvz boot / shutdown process works |
| 15:59.59 | stomanata_ | unable to locate :) |
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| 16:00.01 | stomanata_ | moment |
| 16:00.19 | peterS | stomanata_: if apt-cache cannot find it, I have no idea how synaptic found it |
| 16:00.36 | boudiccas | ed8, my usb drive for my backups used to be root:root so i wrote a shellscript for it which ran just before midnightand changed the permissions to user:user. why not try that?ght and |
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| 16:01.00 | stomanata_ | what about this: http://i48.tinypic.com/34j9kbk.jpg? |
| 16:01.26 | peterS | stomanata_: oh that's gcc, not dcc |
| 16:01.42 | saedelaere | peterS: because nobody uses them on linux? |
| 16:01.45 | stomanata_ | oh, sorry. my mistake |
| 16:01.52 | saedelaere | I mean keepassx only supports v1 |
| 16:02.06 | saedelaere | and I don't like the keepass2 mono app on linux |
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| 16:02.17 | peterS | saedelaere: oh, well, I haven't tried either of those on Linux, so I wouldn't know |
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| 16:02.59 | stomanata_ | so, is there option to install gcc, without removing too much packages? |
| 16:03.10 | rdz | peterS, I just found out that other scripts are correctly stopped, even in a CT. so the problem must lie somewhere else... do you know how dependency based booting works? probably it's not registered or something? |
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| 16:04.28 | peterS | stomanata_: is there a reason you specifically need version 4.3? debian stable defaults to 4.4, and unstable defaults to either 4.6 or 4.7 depending on your platform |
| 16:04.58 | peterS | I'm not saying you _can't_ install 4.3, just asking if that's what you really want |
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| 16:07.21 | ed8 | ompaul: boudiccas killing the process, removing and reinstalling seems to solve the issue |
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| 16:08.52 | ed8 | ompaul: boudiccas thanks for your help and time |
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| 16:11.57 | TheWarden | What does one have to grant permission to to allow a user to change video resolution vi lxranr? The user can change the video resolution but the settings don't set after a reboot or logoff. |
| 16:12.00 | krion | hi |
| 16:12.06 | TheWarden | this is in respects to xorg |
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| 16:12.22 | krion | man interfaces doesn't help me |
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| 16:12.52 | TheWarden | ops I mean lxrandr |
| 16:13.13 | ksk | krion: i use something like: up /sbin/route add -net x.x.x.x/x ethx |
| 16:13.34 | nsadmin | krion, man 5 interfaces and the file is /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:13.50 | nsadmin | I can help you with the route itself |
| 16:15.01 | krion | nsadmin: that's what i did but searching for route pattern didn't find anything usefull |
| 16:15.12 | somiaj | krion: can you add the route by the cli? |
| 16:15.17 | krion | ksk: yes, is that is what i was thinking off |
| 16:15.31 | krion | somiaj: yes, but i want it to be boot persistent ;) |
| 16:16.03 | somiaj | krion: note up is generic up. You can be a bit more paticular and use pre/post up (before or after the interface is brought up) But most things I see just suggest using up |
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| 16:17.11 | somiaj | yea post-up is what I would suggest, though the man page isn't clear to me when 'up' is run |
| 16:17.32 | frikinz | up==post-up |
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| 16:18.25 | somiaj | yea that is what I assumed, just found it odd the manpage wasn't clearn on that point (That I could see) |
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| 16:18.38 | krion | i guess after the interfaces is up, it's better ;) |
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| 16:19.36 | truexfan81 | my wifi is not working in wheezy |
| 16:20.32 | nsadmin | mine is! |
| 16:20.38 | krion | =)) |
| 16:20.38 | somiaj | truexfan81: why isn't it working? 1) figure out the chipset of your wifi card and look up its support |
| 16:21.42 | somiaj | truexfan81: things you can do. Make sure the non-free firmware is installed if it is needed (check dmesg for that). see if your interface is there but not configured. /sbin/ifconfig -a, if you are using NM make sure to comment out lines for you device from /etc/network/interfaces so NM won't ignore them |
| 16:22.35 | weeb1e | Latest kernel schedules a single thread over multiple physical cores very awesomely! |
| 16:23.04 | damacus | wow |
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| 16:23.51 | truexfan81 | somiaj: lspci shows it as Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter rev 01 |
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| 16:25.10 | somiaj | truexfan81: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 16:25.20 | chipotle | has anyone used dotdeb's repos here? i need to install php5-fpm and i don't want to compile, so this looks to be my only option. i am VERY hesitant to use a non-official repo. any suggestions (i'm considering switching to ubuntu 12.04 as they have php5-fpm available)... |
| 16:25.52 | somiaj | chipotle: dotdeb is bad voodoo |
| 16:25.54 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 16:25.55 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 16:27.02 | chipotle | !bdo |
| 16:27.02 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 16:27.23 | jelly | hint: there is no php5-fpm in bdo |
| 16:27.29 | chipotle | jelly ugh |
| 16:27.35 | chipotle | so i'm stuck with dotdeb, which isn't recommended? |
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| 16:27.58 | jelly | or building your own |
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| 16:28.06 | jelly | both suck in different ways |
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| 16:28.57 | jelly | dotdeb makes you feel the pain later, because their packaging is lax and often leaves leftovers after you get to upgrade to the next debian release |
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| 16:29.24 | themill | backporting php5 from wheezy doesn't look so horrific to do |
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| 16:31.05 | jhutchins_wk | chipotle: What is it that you have that requires php5? |
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| 16:31.19 | damacus | here it comes |
| 16:31.39 | chipotle | jhutchins_wk i need to run drupal 7, that only runs on php5.3.x |
| 16:31.42 | jelly | themill: one has to ask why did bdo not do it, then |
| 16:31.56 | jelly | chipotle: and debian 6 has 5.3.3, is that not enough? |
| 16:32.09 | jelly | no fpm, ok |
| 16:32.22 | chipotle | jelly well, i want to use php5-fpm, for performance reasons |
| 16:32.41 | themill | jelly: because php module packages in squeeze are not compatible with php in wheezy so backports team NAK'd it. |
| 16:32.56 | truexfan81 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/ncNDvZ9n |
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| 16:33.42 | jelly | themill: sounds good enough for -sloppy at least |
| 16:34.07 | jhutchins_wk | I haven't seen any benchmarks that show how good the acceleration is supposed to be. |
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| 16:35.10 | Woet | is there a command to see all disk read/write requests? |
| 16:35.12 | themill | jelly: that's not the meaning of "sloppy" though |
| 16:35.24 | themill | at least, not in bdo terms it's not. |
| 16:35.26 | jelly | too sloppy for sloppy! |
| 16:35.33 | krion | Woet: iotop |
| 16:35.44 | damacus | iostat -w 2 |
| 16:35.53 | damacus | in the sysstat package iirc |
| 16:36.14 | damacus | er, -m 2 in linux |
| 16:36.22 | Woet | krion: i want to see the actual requests |
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| 16:36.43 | damacus | probably need something like dtrace then |
| 16:36.44 | themill | jelly: -sloppy is just about upgrade path; lenny+lenny-backports is guaranteed to be upgradeable to squeeze; lenny+lenny-backports+lenny-backports+sloppy is upgradable to squeeze+squeeze-backports, etc. |
| 16:36.48 | Woet | that might have been it |
| 16:36.58 | themill | jelly: it's not about the crappiness of the package set |
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| 16:41.43 | Woet | can iotop show iops instead of mb/s? |
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| 16:53.04 | TheWarden | I'm trying to create and configure my xorg.conf file, I took the following steps and got the following results, https://gist.github.com/51b29db933efbd9d465e. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:55.18 | gabesubdo | ata3.01: failed command: READ DMA EXT, status: { DRDY ERR }, error: { ICRC ABRT } |
| 16:55.22 | gabesubdo | so how boned am I? |
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| 16:57.58 | TheWarden | anyone? |
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| 17:01.09 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Time to replace. |
| 17:01.37 | gabesubdo | I've had so many problems with this motherboard that I kind of wonder if it's not actually the drive |
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| 17:02.21 | gabesubdo | but eh... it's time to upgrade to RAID5 anyway |
| 17:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: So do you have the VMWare tools installed? |
| 17:03.02 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: The first thing to do, if you haven't already, is back up the data. |
| 17:03.06 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: no, I'm not even using vmware so not sure why its stating that. The OS is installed natively without the use of vmware. |
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| 17:03.22 | gabesubdo | jhutchins_wk: this particular drive is only used as a backup destination, so I'm clear |
| 17:03.29 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Worst case is you may not even have enought time to do a full read, since you're getting read errors. |
| 17:03.53 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Yes, it would be preferable to do that from a known reliable controller/motherboard and watch to see if there are more errors. |
| 17:04.04 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Do you have the smartmontools installed? |
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| 17:04.41 | gabesubdo | jhutchins_wk: ah, don't know why I didn't think of smart today. yes. it reports PASSED :/ |
| 17:04.42 | damacus | Woet: iostat shows iops |
| 17:05.22 | gabesubdo | raw_read_error_rate is rather high, as is command_timeout, and 104 reallocated sectors |
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| 17:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: You definitely do NOT want to write anything to that drive (including logs) and to get the data off of it asap. |
| 17:06.44 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Once you have that covered you can start messing with diagnostics, but I would assume you're going to need to replace it. |
| 17:06.57 | lawe | Any iso of Debian that actually works? |
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| 17:07.25 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: No, it's all a giant conspiracy to pretend that there's a distribution called Debian. Nobody actually runs it. |
| 17:07.26 | gabesubdo | jhutchins_wk: it has nothing on it of importance, so I'm just going to order new drives and watch it die |
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| 17:07.50 | RailWolf | lol jhutchins_wk i was thinking the same thing |
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| 17:08.22 | solidus-river | how do i use apt-cache search to list all versions of apps available? |
| 17:08.37 | lawe | jhutchins_wk: What I thought, no one can run it unless they have 10 year old Intel hardware. |
| 17:08.48 | lawe | (not forgetting a LAN connection to the internet) |
| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_wk | I hate blaming the user, but if there are thousands of pepople demonstrably not having your problem there's a chance it's you and somethng you're doing. |
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| 17:09.28 | gabesubdo | dayum, those WD RE4 drives are not cheap. |
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| 17:09.49 | lawe | So, it's my fault that Debian doesn't even allow users to connect using a WPA2 secured router? |
| 17:10.08 | lawe | Just for the sake of it? |
| 17:10.19 | dondelelcaro | lawe: you can connect using a WPA2 secured router just fine |
| 17:10.24 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: If you're thinking in terms of blame, then yes. |
| 17:10.36 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: If you're looking for solutions, maybe you can find some help. |
| 17:10.53 | lawe | Not in the installation. |
| 17:11.04 | dondelelcaro | lawe: you may not be able to during the initial install, but then, you don't actually need to during the install |
| 17:11.04 | lawe | Meaning, there's no network manager. |
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| 17:11.18 | lawe | ... but why? |
| 17:11.24 | lawe | What about a netinstall? |
| 17:11.34 | dondelelcaro | lawe: because supporting wpa2 requires wpa_supplicant, and a whole host of other things to get it working |
| 17:11.35 | lawe | What do I do then? |
| 17:11.50 | dondelelcaro | lawe: it's supported in the current development releases, but it's difficult to get it exactly right |
| 17:12.00 | lawe | dondelelcaro: And?... WPA2 is 10 times more secure than WEP. |
| 17:12.28 | dondelelcaro | lawe: yes, this is all known. That's why work was even begun on getting it working. |
| 17:12.35 | lawe | If you can even get Debian testing to work.. |
| 17:12.53 | dondelelcaro | lawe: but for the time being, if you want to install, use WEP, or don't do a network install, or do a hard-wired network install |
| 17:12.58 | dondelelcaro | lawe: or use the testing installer. |
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| 17:13.46 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: You may not be aware of how secretive wireless equipment manufacturers are about their protocols. They are under the impression that users can not be trusted to obey the FCC laws and may get the manufacturer sanctioned. |
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| 17:13.55 | lawe | I did install Debian testing (as a workaround of all the things in the so called 'stable' release), but then my screen is messed up. |
| 17:14.02 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: that doesn't really have much to do with wpa2, though |
| 17:14.37 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: It impedes general wifi tool development. Gotta get the hardware working first. |
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| 17:14.47 | gabesubdo | jhutchins_wk: thanks, I ordered some new drives to put in RAID1 as my root, and will move the old root to the backup position (replacing the dying drive) |
| 17:14.57 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Then you have to deal with the fact that the protocols are implemented differently on different hardware. |
| 17:15.13 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: Good luck! |
| 17:15.15 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but wpa2 is on top of the network hardware; it's kind of orthogonal |
| 17:15.26 | lawe | I tried to install Debian testing as a workaround, but guess what I see when I boot into it for the first time? http://whenthecrisishitthefan.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tv-no-signal.jpg |
| 17:15.27 | toad_ | is it intentional that sun-java doesn't include elliptic curve crypto? according to oracle's docs java 1.6 does include these algorithms (e.g. ECDH) |
| 17:15.37 | gabesubdo | I'm so happy that out of all my drives, it's the one I don't need that's dying. |
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| 17:15.55 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: I've seen situations where it was very difficult to get the credentials to match because they had different defaults/requirements on different units. |
| 17:15.59 | plueschopath | is it possible to apt-get remove selinux once it was installed? |
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| 17:16.21 | plueschopath | i think i have briked my system now XD |
| 17:16.28 | dondelelcaro | lawe: I rather doubt you get snow, but it would be helpful if you gave us the actual output that you see, along with what hardware it is, etc. |
| 17:16.40 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Whether they can be entered as ASCII or have to be HEX, minimum/maximum length differences... |
| 17:17.01 | lawe | dondelelcaro: sNOW? |
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| 17:17.30 | dondelelcaro | plueschopath: yes, in general. |
| 17:17.44 | dondelelcaro | plueschopath: assuming you can get a root shell. If not, you can always boot from rescue media and remove it |
| 17:17.55 | dondelelcaro | plueschopath: but by default selinux should be in permissive mode, so it should just warn you a lot |
| 17:18.00 | lawe | ATI Radeon 6290 HD graphics card is probably the issue... Debian doesn't like modern hardware.. |
| 17:18.04 | jhutchins_wk | plueschopath: You can also set it to permissive so that it doesn't interfere. |
| 17:18.34 | dondelelcaro | lawe: if you actually want us to help, please stop casting aspersions on Debian in every sentence. We're volunteers here, and that's just rude. |
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| 17:18.48 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: So your strategy is to say bad things about debian and hope that the people who like and support debian will help you? |
| 17:18.54 | plueschopath | dondelelcaro: yeah ... I have selinux installed (it was working well) but now I want to "remove" it completly. |
| 17:18.59 | truexfan81 | got the wifi fixed by installing wicd |
| 17:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: Really? Which release and what hardware? |
| 17:20.55 | lawe | dondelelcaro, jhutchins_wk: added to ignore list |
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| 17:21.02 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: wheezy and ath5k |
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| 17:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions wicd |
| 17:21.50 | judd | Package: wicd on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3; sid: 1.7.2.4-2; wheezy: 1.7.2.4-2 |
| 17:22.43 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: So noted. For a while there nm was working for more people than wicd. |
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| 17:23.48 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: i couldn't get it to work with nm for some reason |
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| 17:24.06 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: which is strange because it does work with nm on my buntu partition |
| 17:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | ... once again showing that ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 17:25.08 | truexfan81 | yeah lol |
| 17:25.15 | jhutchins_wk | We have a situation where an FTP transfer to an old IBM mainframe works in RHEL4 & 5 but not in 6. |
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| 17:26.27 | bookmark | hello |
| 17:26.29 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: i don't suppose you know of a repos for hpn-ssh? or am i gonna have to compile it? |
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| 17:26.58 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: Not off the top of my head, no. |
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| 17:27.17 | bookmark | im having trouble getting xulrunner-1.60 installed. Does anyone know how to do that? ( iceweasel needs it ) |
| 17:27.46 | bookmark | apt says its not going to be installed : ( |
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| 17:28.53 | chipotle | does a .deb package include release notes in it? how can i view the .deb to see? |
| 17:28.59 | nsadmin | bookmark, could you pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:29.17 | nsadmin | chipotle, it has a changelog |
| 17:29.40 | bookmark | ill try, one moment please |
| 17:29.51 | nsadmin | changelogs are in /usr/share/doc/(put package name here)/ |
| 17:30.06 | themill | chipotle: you can use apt-listchanges to see the changelog (or a combination of ar and tar) |
| 17:30.41 | chipotle | nsadmin i have the actual .deb package, i haven't installed it yet. is there a way i can edit the changelog as there is a typo in there? i didn't create the .deb file, someone else at work did but i need to edit the changelog |
| 17:31.12 | nsadmin | chipotle, oh, ok, then a closer answer was given by themill |
| 17:32.03 | bookmark | http://pastebin.com/yvHfBJqM |
| 17:32.13 | bookmark | this is my sources.list |
| 17:32.37 | chipotle | nsadmin themill i don't have it on my debian machine, if i upload it to my home dir on debian, and type apt-listchanges how will i be able to edit it? |
| 17:32.54 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: I think that hpn is rare enough that I wouldn't trust fourth-party builds (the patches being third party). |
| 17:32.58 | themill | chipotle: editing the changelog requires unpacking and then repacking the .deb |
| 17:33.25 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: I think there would be policy problems building with third-party patches. |
| 17:33.30 | chipotle | themill how do i do that? |
| 17:33.36 | themill | dpkg: tell chipotle about deb |
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| 17:33.47 | truexfan81 | jhutchins_wk: i would like to get that working tho, if i do, i can delete my buntu partition |
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| 18:00.38 | jelly-home | judd: bug #13389 |
| 18:00.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/13389 in ssh (open, wontfix): «ssh: Provide HPN-SSH patch for none cipher and variable buffers»; severity: wishlist; opened: 1997-09-26; last modified: 2007-01-07. |
| 18:01.01 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: see how old that "wontfix" bug is |
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| 18:03.20 | txomon|nqas | where is libreoffice 3.6? |
| 18:03.25 | txomon|nqas | I can't find it in sid... |
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| 18:03.48 | jelly-home | txomon|nqas: /msg judd versions libreoffice |
| 18:04.01 | ballison | looking for irc channel for pound load balancer |
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| 18:06.35 | nsadmin | ballison /msg alis help |
| 18:06.43 | ballison | i tried dpkg |
| 18:06.53 | txomon|nqas | jelly-home, how may I put experimental branch in sources.list? |
| 18:06.58 | ballison | -alis- No help available for pound. |
| 18:06.58 | txomon|nqas | like sid? |
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| 18:07.31 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: you realize that experiemential is not a full branch and packages are put there because they are probabaly broken by sid's standards. |
| 18:08.13 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: but yes, you can add an experiemntial line in your sources.list with just copying and replacing sid with experimential. But you want to make sure it is pinned lower than sid and you only install the few experimential packages you want to test |
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| 18:08.45 | ballison | here's my problem i'm using pound as my load balancer. by default it logs to syslog. which means I have http requests going to /var/log/messages. I changed it to log to local0 and log via syslog to it's own log file /var/log/pound.log ... THEN i added a /etc/logrotate.d/pound file |
| 18:08.50 | jelly-home | somiaj, txomon|nqas: there's no need to pin, packages from experimental do not get automatically installed |
| 18:08.53 | zaga | evening all! |
| 18:08.54 | ballison | i came in this morning and the /var/log/pound.log was zero length |
| 18:09.06 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, I have Default release in wheezy |
| 18:09.06 | ballison | i restarted syslog and i have logs going to /var/log/pound.log |
| 18:09.11 | somiaj | jelly-home: are they just pinned lower by default. |
| 18:09.31 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: I wouldn't be installing experimentail into wheezy this late into the freze. Those packages will not make it into wheezy and mixing things may lead to problems later |
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| 18:09.57 | txomon|nqas | is LOL-ing , never saw a priority 1 in apt-cache policy |
| 18:10.03 | Erlkoenig | Hi, I'd like to run Xen with an existing debian stable as dom0. I can't use the default debian kernel, because i need 3.5.3 for some driver, so i installed the vanilla kernel from kernel.org from source. This should theoretically have xen support ("pv-ops") built in by default, so do i just have to install "xen-utils" and run "update-grub2" to get my debian to run as dom0 and start the hypervisor? |
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| 18:10.09 | ballison | what's wrong with my logrotate.d/pound ?? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7BZkzUN8 |
| 18:10.21 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, I need that feature, it wont update, so all right |
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| 18:10.35 | txomon|nqas | s/that/a/ |
| 18:10.38 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: the suggested path would be to use the experimential package and backport it. |
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| 18:10.52 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: but maybe at this time you won't need any sid only deps to get that package working. |
| 18:10.53 | jelly-home | somiaj: yes but it doesn't matter |
| 18:11.17 | zaga | i need help. debian squeeze. alsa. qsstv and wsjt doesn't work. what i can do? |
| 18:11.32 | ballison | anyone? |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | txomon|nqas is running sid already so is prepared for breakage, I'd say let him use experimental as s/he sees fir |
| 18:11.46 | jelly-home | fit* |
| 18:11.59 | somiaj | I thought he said he was running wheezy |
| 18:12.14 | somiaj | 11:09 < txomon|nqas> somiaj, I have Default release in wheezy |
| 18:12.27 | jelly-home | oh |
| 18:12.35 | somiaj | which is why I said that it could cause problems later. |
| 18:12.37 | ballison | is there a way to TEST logroate to make sure it's working? |
| 18:12.38 | jelly-home | my bad! |
| 18:13.36 | somiaj | yea it may not be an issue right now (Since wheezy/sid are close) but it will be a problem in the future and isn't the best way to go about it on release that is gonna be stable. |
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| 18:15.59 | txomon|nqas | any way, if you go to libreoffice's web page they offer you that version |
| 18:16.23 | txomon|nqas | so I am inclined to think that isn't that experimental |
| 18:16.24 | zaga | when i'm running wsjt - i see this http://pastebin.com/n0u6zgav |
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| 18:16.44 | ballison | i'm trying to rotate a log and it keeps saying that "log does not need rotating" how do i force it to rotate ? |
| 18:17.15 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: it is experimential in debian. Which means it may just not be playing nice with some other packages and there are some issues to work out. You can check the change log, dev PTS page to see why they put it there |
| 18:17.45 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, ? how may I do that ? |
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| 18:17.48 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: note debian has a different stability standard than upstream. As debian wants it to work across all ports that debian supports (not just i386/amd64) |
| 18:18.16 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: I use packages.debian.org -- there are nice links there |
| 18:18.53 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: also at this time the package could install just fine from experimential, but since you are using wheezy and should most likely freeze with the release, you should /msg dpkg ssbp and make a backport |
| 18:19.08 | DereC | hi, could anybody help me with iptables, which one will work? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281635/ or http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281634/ |
| 18:19.10 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: that way you won't have something sneak in and hurt you at a future date. |
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| 18:20.00 | ballison | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=miLPcDgT |
| 18:20.01 | somiaj | or just remove the experiemential sources once your done and hope the package works fine for your needs. |
| 18:20.03 | txomon|nqas | somiaj, it wont update any way |
| 18:20.22 | somiaj | txomon|nqas: again its a matter of what will work vs what is good pratice. |
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| 18:20.50 | somiaj | if say a year or two down the road you want to install another newer version of openoffice onto wheezy it most likely won't work at that time. |
| 18:21.01 | somiaj | or I guess libreoffice now |
| 18:21.12 | txomon|nqas | I don't see why... |
| 18:21.47 | somiaj | because the core depends (like libc6, basic xorg depends) are based on sid. And a year or two down the road the core libaries will not be close enough |
| 18:22.08 | somiaj | and so to install the newer package you have to install newer version of your base system which can cause many unknown stablility issues with your whole system |
| 18:22.21 | txomon|nqas | but if I don't change any other dependency, I will be ok.. |
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| 18:23.41 | somiaj | yea at this time it is ok to just install it. I was just trying to give you the tools for a more proper way so when you need other nwer software on wheezy in the future you realize about backports. Many times this one thing will keep more people on stable as opposed to having an unstable system for a few newer pieces of software. |
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| 18:24.03 | txomon|nqas | ah ok |
| 18:24.09 | txomon|nqas | thank you for the info than |
| 18:24.11 | txomon|nqas | then* |
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| 18:24.55 | somiaj | again it is your system and when it breaks you get to deal with it. My suggestion will try to make sure the breakage is only in libreoffice (or what ever package you want at the time) and not your stable core. |
| 18:25.45 | anomaly | seems I am mistaken somewhere.. I had thought to put in a body of a message was: echo "this is message body" | mail -s "subject" email@foo.com |
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| 18:26.38 | somiaj | according the man page for mail you don't need the extra "subject" there |
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| 18:26.45 | damacus | anomaly: that's how I use it, but I've seen variance in the mail command |
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| 18:27.09 | somiaj | oh I see....your "subject" is replaced with the correct subject. |
| 18:27.32 | somiaj | yea that looks just fine anomaly |
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| 18:28.07 | anomaly | I would also like to have the body text but also have it cat a file.. as in, nightly I have rsync run the backups for the /home, I was using mail -s "backup" email@foo.com < rsync.log |
| 18:28.19 | damacus | default install may be a little different, but I always install postfix, and that or its prereqs put in a mailx program that works that way |
| 18:28.28 | anomaly | however, when I put in echo "body text" | mail -s and the rest, all I get is the log and not the body text |
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| 18:29.20 | anomaly | full command being echo "body text" | mail -s "rsync log" email < rsync.log I do not get 'body text' just the rsync.log |
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| 18:30.55 | damacus | (echo "body text"; cat rsync.log) | mail -s "rsync log" email |
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| 18:34.02 | anomaly | damacus, thank you. that worked. |
| 18:35.02 | damacus | np |
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| 18:36.42 | anomaly | a second echo statement, gives me the newline too for better formatting. there may be another way, but this works for me. |
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| 18:37.14 | Buuyo | What's the best way to have a removable (usb) drive mount in a specific location when it's attached to the system? Perhaps by UUID of the filesystem in question. |
| 18:37.52 | chipotle | i want to use php-fpm rather than php-fastcgi for handling a php app. php-fpm.org says, "PHP-FPM is now included in PHP core as of PHP 5.3.3." and packages.debian says that for debian squeeze (stable), the package of php5 is "5.3.3-7+squeeze14" - does that mean i have php-fpm built in?? |
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| 18:38.31 | sney | Buuyo: yeah, uuids are the way to go |
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| 18:39.33 | Buuyo | I'm afraid to put it in /etc/fstab by UUID=whatever because the enclosure containing the drive(s) may not be attached at bootup and will be occasionally disconnected and reconnected as I move it around from a couple of computers |
| 18:41.07 | sney | there is a fstab option that allows for hotplugging. man fstab should show you |
| 18:41.10 | jelly-home | chipotle: you don't, Debian chose not to ship it in squeeze |
| 18:41.20 | Buuyo | Ok. thanks. |
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| 18:42.28 | chipotle | jelly-home whyyyyy |
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| 18:42.43 | chipotle | so my only options is to compiel the source or use dotdeb (the latter is frowned upon)? |
| 18:42.45 | jelly-home | it was broken at the time |
| 18:42.48 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 18:43.48 | chipotle | and dotdeb really is not seen as a good solution? |
| 18:44.00 | chipotle | i'm afraid to compile via source as i don't want to miss a security update and get hacked |
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| 18:46.13 | NASDAQEnema | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.devel/4199 |
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| 18:46.25 | chipotle | no one cares, heh |
| 18:46.31 | chipotle | #firstworldproblems :P |
| 18:46.51 | NASDAQEnema | cairo 1.12.4 causes a whole bunch of apps to crash |
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| 18:55.23 | truexfan81 | why is it i can't remove libav without it taking my DE with it? |
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| 18:59.22 | weeb1e | hmm |
| 18:59.40 | weeb1e | So the scheduler and IO may be a lot better with this new kernel |
| 18:59.48 | weeb1e | But my load average is completely broken |
| 19:00.10 | weeb1e | So I cannot tell how much load is actually in use :( |
| 19:00.28 | weeb1e | Load average never goes above 0.05 |
| 19:00.54 | damacus | load averages are weaksauce anyway |
| 19:01.11 | damacus | install sysstat and enable sar in /etc/default |
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| 19:04.06 | weeb1e | damacus: load average are weaksauce? there is no better way to measure the load on the system, cpu % is not accurate as its only a small time slice, ideally you want to see the load average for each core, but that isn't possible with the current kernel |
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| 19:05.40 | weeb1e | damacus: What form of load can sysstat measure? |
| 19:05.43 | damacus | they're weak by themselves, and sar generates by default 5 minute averages |
| 19:05.45 | damacus | TONS |
| 19:05.50 | truexfan81 | no one can answer that question about the package management? |
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| 19:07.21 | damacus | weeb1e: sar -q prints your three load averages as well as run queue length and task list size |
| 19:07.38 | weeb1e | damacus: so you're telling me sysstat does not use the systems load average? |
| 19:07.52 | weeb1e | because as I said, my load average is broken... |
| 19:07.59 | damacus | sar -b prints block device info, default shows %user, %nice, %system, etc |
| 19:08.08 | mramish | is the curent "stable" capable of running an nv gt 430 ? |
| 19:08.13 | weeb1e | or is being measured very strangely |
| 19:08.15 | damacus | it does, among many other things is what I'm saying |
| 19:08.27 | weeb1e | ok, I will look into it |
| 19:08.39 | damacus | the other things may be sufficient to provide you with meaningful load / performance data |
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| 19:09.13 | weeb1e | I'm going to put as much load on all cores later when services are not in use and see what the load average is |
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| 19:09.35 | weeb1e | Because I cannot believe it is not more than 0.05 right now |
| 19:09.55 | mramish | because last time i tried to install debian i ended up with a dark screnn |
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| 19:13.30 | damacus | mramish: i would assume yes. i see reports of people only getting low reso on installing it, and having to install non-free drivers afterward to get full accel etc |
| 19:13.31 | damacus | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers |
| 19:13.39 | damacus | but you should be able to install fine.. |
| 19:14.08 | damacus | also you can boot into text mode to do so |
| 19:14.31 | damacus | truexfan81: why do you want to remove libav? |
| 19:14.37 | damacus | if packages depend on it... stuff breaks. |
| 19:15.21 | truexfan81 | damacus: so i can use the newer version that i just compiled |
| 19:16.08 | damacus | hrm, how new of a version? that can be pretty serious. |
| 19:16.37 | truexfan81 | whatever the current git version of it is |
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| 19:16.41 | damacus | might need to rebuild software you want to use it rather than slip it in place |
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| 19:17.27 | truexfan81 | damacus: if i try to remove the repos version it wants to take mate and pulseaudio and a bunch of other stuff with it |
| 19:17.39 | damacus | yeah. don't do that. |
| 19:17.52 | lowtax | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 19:17.55 | truexfan81 | yeah would leave me with just a cli until i reinstalled mate lol |
| 19:17.57 | lowtax | why is the log file empty? |
| 19:18.05 | TheWarden | I'm using Grub 2 and I'm wondering if I can customize the look of it. Anyone know if I can and how to do this? |
| 19:18.50 | jelly-home | lowtax: which log file? Grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 19:19.11 | damacus | TheWarden: yeah you can. examine /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme from the grub-common package |
| 19:19.16 | lowtax | jelly-home: ah, i was misdirected by /var/log/mysql.log |
| 19:19.20 | lowtax | thanks |
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| 19:24.06 | TheWarden | damacus: mmmm so I just add an image in a certain location.... |
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| 19:27.26 | bookmark | hi |
| 19:28.06 | bookmark | i want to compile my kernel from source, is there an automated way to have it all installed into grub and everything with debian? |
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| 19:29.50 | streuner | bookmark: whats wrong with the debian kernel? |
| 19:30.11 | bookmark | i need the compiled source to install nvidia driver |
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| 19:31.36 | damacus | TheWarden: it looks like you can just set a GRUB_BACKGROUND variable in /etc/default/grub |
| 19:31.45 | damacus | from reading that file |
| 19:31.53 | damacus | looks like it supports jpeg, tga and png |
| 19:32.14 | damacus | probably should be 640x480 |
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| 19:32.26 | damacus | but who knows, i've never bothered with it |
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| 19:33.05 | TheWarden | interesting thanks |
| 19:33.12 | damacus | bookmark: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers |
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| 19:34.12 | bookmark | yeah i tried those |
| 19:34.20 | bookmark | made my system crash |
| 19:34.28 | bookmark | well lock up at least |
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| 19:35.25 | damacus | there are various methods in there |
| 19:35.27 | damacus | which did you use? |
| 19:35.45 | bookmark | i used nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:35.47 | damacus | on top of which, that document has answers to your question about grub and whatnot |
| 19:36.01 | damacus | Using nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:36.02 | damacus | Warning: this method is generally not recommended due to an important X bug (504692). |
| 19:36.26 | damacus | anyway, that's the last piece after you have everything installed and in place |
| 19:36.39 | damacus | it sounds more like you're on the kernel module step |
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| 19:37.49 | bookmark | yeah i compiled a kernel now |
| 19:37.52 | bookmark | it finished |
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| 19:45.07 | Cyclohexane | what does it mean when a process just says [programname] in the COMMAND column? |
| 19:45.27 | Innocentus | hi |
| 19:45.45 | Innocentus | currently I use confixx for managing a server |
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| 19:45.58 | Innocentus | but it cannot be really automated |
| 19:46.11 | Innocentus | so is there an alternative to confixx which can be tried paralelly? |
| 19:46.23 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: a kernel thread |
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| 19:53.10 | aguitel | i try to open other partition and need to mount manualy ,why ? |
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| 19:53.21 | justinas | Good morning. |
| 19:53.44 | Cyclohexane | frikinz: what would lead to that? the main process disappeared and that kernel thread was left running (doing something useless I assume) |
| 19:54.23 | justinas | I have a question that may sound a little bit offtopic-y, but I am curious whether you can recommend some Ultrabook that would be properly supported by the current Debian testing, i.e., wheezy. Any ideas? |
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| 19:58.00 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: anything could. an app requires a kernel module which gets loaded. The module spawns a kernel thread that is a while loop doing its job. |
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| 19:58.42 | Cyclohexane | frikinz: would that leads to core.<num> files being generated? I have a few *new* random files with them names... |
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| 20:02.16 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: with the name of the kernel thread or the calling process? |
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| 20:04.21 | Cyclohexane | frikinz: They might just be error files for the program, they contain a lot of ASCII chars, some sections of a programming language and they're stored in DOS/Mac format |
| 20:04.22 | aguitel | i try to open other partition and need to mount manualy ,why ? |
| 20:04.43 | aguitel | how to do it with nautilus ? |
| 20:04.46 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: if the process does an access violation for example then it dumps core. that's totally normal |
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| 20:06.18 | Cyclohexane | frikinz: that leads to the program crashing? |
| 20:07.15 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: yes! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault |
| 20:07.38 | frikinz | not sure if a kernel thread can dump core though |
| 20:08.03 | jelly-home | it's called a kernel panic |
| 20:08.12 | Cyclohexane | ah okay, guess I'll just have to write a program to restart the process if it *disappears* (crashes) |
| 20:08.23 | frikinz | yes but can it generate a core dump, that's the question |
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| 20:08.38 | jelly-home | it can if you set it up, frikinz |
| 20:08.39 | jelly-home | !kdump |
| 20:08.50 | jelly-home | pokes dpkg |
| 20:08.53 | Cyclohexane | :p |
| 20:09.07 | jelly-home | frikinz: keywords: kdump, kexec, package kexec-tools |
| 20:09.24 | frikinz | jelly-home: ah yes, forgot about this one. cross finger its a long time I didn't come across such things |
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| 20:10.08 | frikinz | !kexec |
| 20:10.09 | dpkg | kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, "dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools" or uninstall with "aptitude remove kexec-tools". To skip using kexec once, use /sbin/coldreboot |
| 20:11.16 | Cyclohexane | Why would you want to load a kernel from a running kernel? |
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| 20:11.55 | frikinz | we want everything |
| 20:12.03 | frikinz | Cyclohexane: rebooting faster? |
| 20:12.04 | themill | Cyclohexane: some hardware can take an hour to POST if you actually reboot |
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| 20:13.02 | Cyclohexane | themill: POST? |
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| 20:14.44 | frikinz | Power On Self Test. Checks done by the bios. When something fails, it will beep |
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| 20:16.20 | damacus | Cyclohexane: high availability, kernel upgrades without a reboot |
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| 20:17.24 | MachinaeWolf | How would I go about applying patches to the mesa driver? |
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| 20:26.25 | frikinz | something like apt-get source packagename ; quilt import /path/to/diff ; dpkg-buildpackage .. |
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| 20:28.00 | MachinaeWolf | me? |
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| 20:30.47 | damacus | yes you |
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| 20:33.29 | fprophet | How do I remove gnome completely and install XFCE without losing any of data |
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| 20:34.02 | frikinz | !remove gnome |
| 20:34.02 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 20:34.26 | fprophet | thanks |
| 20:35.05 | fprophet | does that apply to gnome 3 |
| 20:35.26 | MachinaeWolf | So I suppose I should install quilt then? |
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| 20:37.35 | frikinz | yes.. |
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| 20:40.53 | frikinz | MachinaeWolf: you will also need to have the build dependencies of your package |
| 20:41.08 | frikinz | apt-get build-dep foobar |
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| 20:48.27 | Rockj | Q: how to solve this after a clean install with latest netinstall on debian wheezy? https://www.dropbox.com/s/b4ybx812z1p6p4m/IMG_20121015_224535.jpg |
| 20:48.40 | Rockj | I'm able to enable VGA driver only somehow or something? |
| 20:48.42 | Rockj | from grub? |
| 20:49.49 | Rockj | (it's a ati card of some sort in my workstation) |
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| 20:51.18 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: what hardware is this? You can boot without X from grub using the single option, and it should be ok |
| 20:51.39 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: happens in single user mode aswell |
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| 20:52.31 | Rockj | I can set the 3-4 first lines from booting, then it loads the driver and things go boom. |
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| 20:52.42 | Rockj | I can get the 3-4. .. |
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| 20:54.45 | Rockj | oh, I had ssh :-) https://gist.github.com/3895406 |
| 20:54.55 | Rockj | that's the videocard, it has those fancy display ports. |
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| 20:58.09 | justin_ | Rockj: looks like a KMS issue |
| 20:58.26 | justin_ | Rockj: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:58.46 | justin_ | Rockj: booting with 'nomodeset' should get things going |
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| 21:00.09 | Rockj | let me reboot and try. |
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| 21:02.17 | Rockj | same stuff happens, I should just append nomodeset after "ro quiet nomodeset" right? |
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| 21:03.45 | Rockj | anyhow, I have ssh access so might help to just install fglrx. hmhm. |
| 21:03.58 | frikinz | Use the debian method then! |
| 21:04.13 | frikinz | I mean the debian package |
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| 21:05.51 | Rockj | fglxrx-glx I assume (always using debian packages) |
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| 21:06.48 | W00d5t0ck | hello |
| 21:07.38 | W00d5t0ck | is there a separate channel for SELinux related questions? |
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| 21:09.06 | `md | hello |
| 21:09.08 | Rockj | "aticonfig: No supported adapters detected" how lovley. Hey, I'm a ATI driver and my hardware is ATI but I ******* hell wont regonize my own hardware" |
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| 21:09.47 | `md | did anyone ever get dnsmasq dhcpv6 to work with windows7 clients? i see solicitation packets incoming from the windows 7 client, but dnsmasq doesnt seem to do anything... |
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| 21:13.10 | SiDz | if i add a file in /etc/cron.d/ will it be runned as other file in that dir? |
| 21:13.31 | justin_ | SiDz: what did you put in the file |
| 21:13.36 | SiDz | good seems like it work |
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| 21:14.04 | SiDz | 0 2 * * * www-data /usr/local/bin/squid-analyzer > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 21:14.47 | SiDz | Oct 15 17:13:01 SiD /usr/sbin/cron[2636]: (*system*squid-analyzer) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/squid-analyzer) |
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| 21:14.52 | SiDz | not sure if its working |
| 21:15.04 | SiDz | ho kk i see what happenned |
| 21:15.09 | `md | or maybe someone knows the irc channel of the dnsmasq project? |
| 21:15.26 | SiDz | how can i trigger a crontab file? |
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| 21:15.29 | SiDz | to run right now? |
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| 21:15.56 | justin_ | SiDz: master time and space. |
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| 21:21.00 | Erlkoenig | why does Xen only know about 511MB of my 32 GB RAM? "xm info" shows: "total_memory: 511", and my dom0 debian says to only have 388MB. i specified "mem=32G" on the Xen boot options |
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| 21:22.22 | damacus | sounds like you have "OS Install" mode turned on on a dell server |
| 21:22.57 | damacus | where the bios artificially limits the amount of memory presented to the system |
| 21:23.13 | Erlkoenig | what? no it's a normal desktop-PC, i have debian stable, which can use the 32 GB without problems when not using XEN |
| 21:23.14 | Rockj | justin_: looks like I had to install linux-nonfree-firmware or what the package name is |
| 21:23.17 | Rockj | that seems to work :) |
| 21:23.51 | damacus | weird. does dmesg tell you anything useful? |
| 21:25.26 | Erlkoenig | http://212.201.75.48/zeug/dmesg hmm nothing i can see |
| 21:25.51 | Erlkoenig | also when trying to start a guest OS i get errors about not enough RAM |
| 21:28.15 | Cyclohexane | whats the equivalent of /usr/sbin/local in debian? |
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| 21:29.48 | AimHere | There's a /usr/local/sbin |
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| 21:30.15 | AimHere | I don't know if that has the same function as your /usr/sbin/local |
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| 21:31.01 | damacus | Erlkoenig: hmm. not seeing anything relevant.. |
| 21:31.04 | Cyclohexane | AimHere: where do i put files so i can execute them as a command? |
| 21:31.14 | Erlkoenig | meh |
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| 21:31.27 | AimHere | You mean a place for user-supplied commands for root users? |
| 21:31.31 | AimHere | /usr/local/sbin |
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| 21:32.19 | Erlkoenig | having 511 MB RAM is not really useful :S |
| 21:32.23 | bitonic | if I want to install testing from usb, is it enough to download the netinst and dd it to the drive? |
| 21:32.38 | damacus | do you have to run xen? |
| 21:33.02 | damacus | kvm is a lot cleaner, uses regular kernels |
| 21:33.25 | daemonkeeper | That's not true. |
| 21:33.38 | daemonkeeper | It's another paradigm, but Xen is no worse than KVM. |
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| 21:34.18 | damacus | Xen has to maintain its own kernel and has to regularly update drives from the linux kernel. |
| 21:34.22 | damacus | KVM is in-tree |
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| 21:34.33 | daemonkeeper | damacus: That's not true. |
| 21:34.40 | daemonkeeper | Erlkoenig: Boot with dom0_mem=XXG |
| 21:34.58 | Erlkoenig | tried that, didn't work |
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| 21:35.13 | daemonkeeper | Erlkoenig: For the _hypervisor_ or for the kernel? |
| 21:35.15 | Erlkoenig | ##xen just said me UEFI causes that problem, and i need xen-4.2.0 |
| 21:35.25 | Erlkoenig | daemonkeeper: the hypervisor |
| 21:35.25 | damacus | perhaps i'm misinformed. that was what I had read. |
| 21:35.51 | Erlkoenig | (11:32:39 PM) damacus: do you have to run xen? <- uhm no... KVM would be a possibility too, i just tried XEN first |
| 21:36.01 | damacus | With the inclusion of the most significant parts of Xen in the Linux 2.6.37 mainline kernel in early 2011, several distributions are again considering dom0 support.[25][26] Version 3.0 of the Linux kernel supports dom0 and domU in the mainline kernel. |
| 21:36.16 | damacus | ok, good. my knowledge was just dated :) |
| 21:36.30 | daemonkeeper | damacus: Yes, that's what people claim when they explain why KVM would be better. In fact, Xen does not use device drivers, they are almost all provided by the dom0 kernel. |
| 21:36.47 | daemonkeeper | And recent kernels support dom0 operations out of the box without patch. |
| 21:36.52 | damacus | right... the dom0 kernel. |
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| 21:37.19 | damacus | anyway, what I claimed (and you said was not true) *is* true for squeeze, running 2.6.32 |
| 21:37.49 | daemonkeeper | damacus: That's still not true. True is, for Squeeze the 2.6.32 kernel patch is out of tree, i.e. a third party supplied patch. |
| 21:38.43 | daemonkeeper | Yet, all device drivers are provided by the Linux dom0 kernel |
| 21:39.49 | damacus | right, xen is all paravirt. i'm only referring to dom0. i take your word for it, though. i've only lightly used xen. |
| 21:40.06 | damacus | i wound up choosing kvm for the majority of my virtualization. |
| 21:40.25 | homes | xen supports full virt now, too |
| 21:40.26 | damacus | my perosnal feeling is that kvm/qemu/libvirt are "cleaner" |
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| 21:41.23 | daemonkeeper | damacus: It is not. It is what Linus and kernel people prefer for obvious (biased) reasons. On the end of the day it is a preference flame like "what's better vim or emacs"? |
| 21:41.25 | solidus-river | hey all, i'm trying ot use this guide to package a simple python module http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging |
| 21:42.19 | solidus-river | but i get an error with the comand python setup.py —comand-packages=stdeb.command debianize |
| 21:42.21 | solidus-river | http://pastie.org/private/hxtht4tgsace2mpvrrghcq |
| 21:42.27 | solidus-river | am i missing a package |
| 21:42.28 | damacus | so are they equally dirty, or you're claiming xen is a cleaner solution? basis? |
| 21:42.50 | damacus | and yeah, there's a preference at play.. but there are other reasons to choose between them. |
| 21:42.55 | homes | full virtualization is the dirty one to meeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:43.11 | homes | and OS level virtualization the cleanest |
| 21:43.13 | damacus | one in xen's favor is being able to run it on older machines that are capable that just don't have hardware virt |
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| 21:43.25 | damacus | KVM is paravirt |
| 21:43.27 | daemonkeeper | damacus: No, not cleaner. No worse than KVM. Just another paradigm with different up- and downsides. What you prefer is up to you eventually. |
| 21:43.30 | damacus | where it counts |
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| 21:44.11 | solidus-river | is there a special channel for apt stuff? or debian building? |
| 21:44.22 | daemonkeeper | solidus-river: #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 21:44.24 | abrotman | solidus-river: for which distro ? |
| 21:44.27 | Brigo | and nobody will talk about the exelent lxc? :-D |
| 21:44.27 | daemonkeeper | For the latter. |
| 21:44.35 | daemonkeeper | Brigo: You failed topic. |
| 21:44.40 | solidus-river | for debian as far as i can tell |
| 21:44.44 | daemonkeeper | Brigo: LXC is a container, nor for virtualization. |
| 21:45.03 | solidus-river | daemonkeeper: OFTC? |
| 21:45.09 | Brigo | daemonkeeper: but it is the best choice for most uses |
| 21:45.11 | abrotman | solidus-river: you can try here, or #debian-mentors .. depend what aspects of apt/building you mean |
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| 21:45.30 | daemonkeeper | solidus-river: Another IRC network. This is Freenode. |
| 21:45.37 | solidus-river | debian-mentors is a ghost land |
| 21:45.42 | abrotman | solidus-river: irc.oftc.net |
| 21:45.45 | daemonkeeper | Wrong network :> |
| 21:45.49 | abrotman | solidus-river: you can try here, or #debian-mentors .. depend what aspects of apt/building you mean |
| 21:46.09 | solidus-river | i'm trying to build a simple python2.7 dist-package |
| 21:46.17 | abrotman | simple, python .. |
| 21:46.31 | solidus-river | but the guide tells me to issue a command to setup.py but it doesn't like the command |
| 21:46.44 | solidus-river | http://pastie.org/private/hxtht4tgsace2mpvrrghcq |
| 21:46.48 | solidus-river | thats the pastie of the error |
| 21:46.52 | solidus-river | the guide i'm trying to follow is here |
| 21:46.59 | solidus-river | http://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging |
| 21:47.07 | justin_ | solidus-river: install python-stdeb ? |
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| 21:48.41 | solidus-river | justin_: haha, thanks |
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| 21:52.50 | SiDz | root@Zlin:~# hostname -f |
| 21:52.50 | SiDz | hostname: Name or service not known |
| 21:52.51 | SiDz | why? |
| 21:53.51 | abrotman | what about without -f ? |
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| 21:54.50 | SiDz | without any option it work |
| 21:55.01 | alusion | Installing the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk failed >_> |
| 21:55.18 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:55.31 | abrotman | SiDz: compare what you think it should be and perhaps look at your etc/hosts |
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| 21:55.49 | SiDz | i have 3 other debian box working |
| 21:55.57 | SiDz | i compare /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 21:56.19 | SiDz | they are the same... just ip's and hostname change |
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| 21:58.35 | SiDz | i dont get it |
| 21:59.27 | rigid | is this a good place to ask questions about building .deb packages? |
| 21:59.28 | SiDz | if i change my /etc/hostname to Zlin.donsid.net instead of zlin |
| 21:59.29 | SiDz | it work |
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| 22:00.23 | rigid | i wonder how dpkg-buildpackage decides which files to include into a .deb/CONTENTS since somehow only /usr/share/doc is included although all other files are created in the /tmp dir |
| 22:01.01 | solidus-river | http://pastie.org/private/grgmre7kg6pkp4ydqhyr3w |
| 22:01.09 | solidus-river | :\ hmm |
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| 22:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | rigid, it's ok to ask here... if nobody knows try a more busy time and/or ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:02.54 | rigid | CutMeOwnThroat: cool... thanks |
| 22:03.00 | SiDz | got it:) |
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| 22:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | rigid, obviously I would answer myself at that point if I felt I could give a good-enough answer :P |
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| 22:05.41 | solidus-river | i know that error may seem self explanatory but i don't get anything from it |
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| 22:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | rigid: I've often seen #debian-mentors mentioned as a good place to ask build questions. (I think it's on oftc.net) |
| 22:06.06 | solidus-river | rigid: i'm there right now |
| 22:06.11 | pclov3r | curious. is this an offical debian channel or no? |
| 22:06.37 | rigid | jhutchins_wk: yeah, CutMeOwnThroat just told me that :) thanks |
| 22:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | pclov3r, this is the official unofficial channel... or the unofficial official channel. if you want more details, my explanation would grow more complicated |
| 22:07.41 | rigid | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i guessed so :) but still your hint was helpful (much better than a silent channel ;) |
| 22:08.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | pclov3r, (actually all debian channels moved to oftc, but this one was so popular, it has - I think - still more people, than the "official official" one) |
| 22:10.31 | pclov3r | Does it not matter? |
| 22:11.00 | pclov3r | i would't think it does |
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| 22:17.22 | derric | Hi. When building a kernerl is there any effective difference between "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image" and "fakeroot make deb-pkg?" |
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| 22:19.31 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: others remain here |
| 22:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, re what is that? |
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| 22:20.41 | initself | if you run 'top' and see: Mem: 35090800k total, 27221688k used |
| 22:20.50 | initself | does it actually mean that 27GB of memory is in use? |
| 22:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, free ram |
| 22:21.12 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 22:21.23 | homes | initself: yes. |
| 22:21.56 | initself | 27 GB seems like a heck of a lot of cache |
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| 22:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | initself, bigger than your disks? |
| 22:22.57 | initself | no. |
| 22:23.07 | homes | what would you rather you stored there? |
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| 22:23.20 | t7 | can i downgrade my version of git on sid? |
| 22:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeros... he fears he might run out of 'em one day :D |
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| 22:23.56 | initself | homes: database queries |
| 22:23.59 | abrotman | t7: snapshot.debian.org, good luck |
| 22:24.05 | homes | initself: if you're curious as to what individual processes are doing, pmap is good |
| 22:24.13 | abrotman | initself: it will possibly do that |
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| 22:24.28 | initself | abrotman: it? |
| 22:24.42 | abrotman | the coffee maker |
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| 22:24.47 | initself | i hope not! |
| 22:24.49 | pclov3r | Whats the correct way to make a ramdisk in debian? |
| 22:24.57 | pclov3r | does the debian wiki cover it? |
| 22:25.07 | initself | homes: i dont see a candidate of a process that would be using that much RAM |
| 22:25.13 | homes | pclov3r: tmpfs fstab entry, i imagine |
| 22:25.33 | homes | initself: no, as mentioned, it's probably the kernel |
| 22:25.39 | initself | right. |
| 22:26.19 | homes | initself: your database app must be the one that caches the db queries,the kernel doesn't/can't-reasonably do it for the db |
| 22:26.33 | Guest34724 | hello, im looking for a pam module, which gives only some useres full root access. should work with ssh & scp. Anyone heared bout some module? |
| 22:26.59 | homes | Guest34724: why pam and not just sudo? |
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| 22:27.35 | Guest34724 | homes: cause using sudo and scp doesnt work |
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| 22:28.12 | homes | i don't think one can easily do what you want |
| 22:28.24 | homes | you could, for some users, set their uid to zero. |
| 22:28.27 | Guest34724 | like not giving anyone the root password, but giving them users with same privilege |
| 22:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | they can set the root password, though |
| 22:28.59 | homes | but, one almost might as well just give them the root passwd |
| 22:29.15 | homes | they can also steal it |
| 22:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | not with as much ease, but yeah |
| 22:30.02 | solidus-river | anyone know what would cause this problem on a debuild? |
| 22:30.09 | solidus-river | http://pastie.org/private/xuxcxtrft24yvqnlqcjg |
| 22:30.11 | Guest34724 | not the problem to steal root password, prolem to log specific user logins if all are using root as username ;) |
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| 22:30.29 | pclov3r | holly shit ram disk is fast |
| 22:30.43 | pclov3r | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 0.251983 |
| 22:30.43 | p8m | Guest34724: if everybody is root they can change the logs |
| 22:30.45 | homes | pclov3r: gb/s fast :) |
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| 22:31.29 | Guest34724 | these users are truted, but i wont to know which admin login it was |
| 22:31.59 | p8m | Guest34724: Do they have to access all the files on the system or just certain directories? Maybe you could create a group with rwx permissions |
| 22:32.25 | Guest34724 | they have to manage the whole server |
| 22:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why the need root to copy files ... or cannot use sudo or su if they do not |
| 22:33.07 | pclov3r | correct me if i'm wrong but /tmp is actually a ramdisk? |
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| 22:33.52 | MrFrood | take a look at /etc/security/limits.conf it "might" be of help |
| 22:33.56 | Guest34724 | cause it goes to several user/groups and in chroot jails |
| 22:35.12 | p8m | Guest34724: You can make multiple root users. The easiest way is to edit /etc/passwd and copy the "root" line, changing only the login name field |
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| 22:35.49 | Rockj | if I add sid to my sources to get fglrx-legacy sources, do I need to do any pinning to make sure it doesnt pick packages from sid without me wanting it? |
| 22:36.19 | MrFrood | the other thing that springs to mind, is the "staff" group - would that give your users the privliges they need? |
| 22:36.22 | nkuttler | Rockj: if you want source just use deb-src lines |
| 22:36.40 | Rockj | nkuttler: good point! :) |
| 22:37.38 | Rockj | hm, experimental is not the same as sid huh |
| 22:37.50 | Rockj | http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 22:37.59 | simonlnu | no it's not |
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| 22:46.00 | Guest34724 | p8m, thx, your hint works fine... |
| 22:46.55 | Guest34724 | MrFrood, your solution with /etc/security/limits.conf doesnt give me any idea to fix my problem, but looks great |
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| 22:48.45 | justin_ | Rockj: your older ATI card doesn't work with the standard X drivers? |
| 22:50.37 | Rockj | justin_: no, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary seems to say lots of cards are dropped in next release |
| 22:50.51 | Rockj | justin_: and looks like maintainers are working on a fglrx-legacy package version |
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| 22:51.16 | Rockj | as I have a radeon hd 3470 it seems |
| 22:51.55 | justin_ | Rockj: that is supported by the regular X drivers. |
| 22:52.03 | justin_ | at least it is in squeeze |
| 22:52.14 | Rockj | justin_: yeah, I didnt have issues in squeeze, but I do have in wheezy |
| 22:52.23 | justin_ | ah, boo |
| 22:52.31 | Rockj | but I need wheezy due to remmina which isn't backported to squeeze |
| 22:52.36 | fprophet | if I remove gnome and install xfce will I have to reinstall my nvidia drivers |
| 22:52.40 | justin_ | my desktop here has a 3450 :) |
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| 22:52.41 | fprophet | and everything else |
| 22:52.42 | Rockj | and I need it to access a virtual windows machine to do IE testing. :( |
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| 22:52.58 | justin_ | fprophet: no. you could also not remove gnome and just install xfce |
| 22:53.22 | fprophet | justin_: gnome eats up too much of my cpu when I resize or move a window |
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| 22:53.36 | justin_ | Rockj: there are other rdp clients aside from remmina... |
| 22:53.42 | Erlkoenig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.48 | justin_ | fprophet: ok. install xfce, switch to xfce. no need to remove gnome first |
| 22:54.14 | Erlkoenig | the free driver doesn't even support my display resolution (1366x768) |
| 22:54.20 | Rockj | justin_: problem is the componet that remmina uses , that most people uses. freerdp or something ... you need to be on 0.9 branch or something to get network authentication thingie to work as far as I understood it |
| 22:54.25 | fprophet | justin_: what do you mean |
| 22:54.40 | Rockj | justin_: and it works in ubuntu which has a newer version, so I got told to try a newer version in debian :) |
| 22:54.42 | specing | Erlkoenig: use the proprietary ones |
| 22:54.59 | justin_ | fprophet: apt-get install xfce. log out. select xfce session when you log in. |
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| 22:55.06 | Erlkoenig | specing: i do, and they work - unless i tell the package manager to perform updates... |
| 22:55.17 | justin_ | er, the package is 'xfce4' |
| 22:55.18 | fprophet | justin_: and then when I remove gnome I won't have any issues? |
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| 22:55.37 | justin_ | fprophet: nope. I would just leave it until you are happen with xfce |
| 22:55.40 | justin_ | er, happy |
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| 22:56.13 | fprophet | justin_: well, I it's not a matter of being happy, but safety. I dont want my laptop to accidentally overheat |
| 22:56.32 | justin_ | having both gnome and xfce installed will not increase the temperature of your computer |
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| 22:57.02 | fprophet | justin_: whats the purpose of keeping gnome after having a different manager |
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| 22:57.27 | justin_ | fprophet: gnome comes with some useful programs, you might want to keep them |
| 22:57.43 | justin_ | unless you are running out of disk space you don't gain much from removing them |
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| 22:58.28 | fprophet | justin_: Hmm. well, I dont actually use many of those programs. |
| 22:59.10 | fprophet | justin_: speaking of space, I'm having a popup about root running out of harddrive space. Which doesnt make any sense as I have a 300gb hard drive in my laptop |
| 22:59.21 | justin_ | fprophet: df -h / |
| 22:59.38 | justin_ | you probably have a 10G / and a 290G /home or something |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | or just df -h .. look for one nearing full |
| 22:59.48 | justin_ | abrotman: :-P |
| 22:59.56 | justin_ | if you want to figure out what is using all the space... |
| 23:00.00 | fprophet | 13mb left in root |
| 23:00.01 | justin_ | du -acx / | sort -n |
| 23:00.43 | justin_ | (or often much faster: du -acx / | egrep "^[0-9]{4}" | sort -n |
| 23:01.26 | fprophet | oh, thats neat |
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| 23:03.02 | pclov3r | does link support synlinks to a NTFS drive? |
| 23:03.05 | pclov3r | linux |
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| 23:03.31 | Rockj | justin_: ok, I have a monitor and x login, but gdm wont let me login. just crashes with a "Oh no! something has gone wrong" . heh. |
| 23:03.50 | Rockj | justin_: guess ill try and install xfce4, as I want a backup window manager |
| 23:03.54 | jagginess | pclov3r, symlinks only towards the mountpoint i think, but not on the mountpoint itself |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | pclov3r: i'd think so, but it's easy to test, right ? |
| 23:03.58 | Rockj | ( I use xmonad usually anyway ;)) |
| 23:04.29 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 23:04.36 | pclov3r | going to compile android form source |
| 23:04.39 | pclov3r | but my SSD is to small |
| 23:04.49 | jagginess | pclov3r, possibly on the mountpoint itself, but this isnt important |
| 23:04.50 | fprophet | so, how would I give root more space |
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| 23:05.09 | pclov3r | going to test it |
| 23:05.49 | pclov3r | I think it should work. it mouts my drive as /media/B2CCCB47CCCB0517 |
| 23:06.16 | jagginess | hey i can't disable a source on 'Software update preferences' |
| 23:06.21 | jagginess | hehehe |
| 23:06.31 | jagginess | files/checks a bug |
| 23:06.52 | gabesubdo | jhutchins_wk: it's starting to look like those I/O errors were just a loose cable. |
| 23:07.04 | pclov3r | yep |
| 23:07.05 | pclov3r | it works fine |
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| 23:09.39 | jagginess | pclov3r, you're able to make a link inside ntfs? |
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| 23:10.52 | pclov3r | maybe but it odes what ineed it to |
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| 23:11.09 | pclov3r | i did a ln -s to the folder it was mounted in |
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| 23:11.17 | pclov3r | and it appears to work |
| 23:11.26 | pclov3r | or do what i need it to do atleast |
| 23:11.47 | jagginess | nm |
| 23:12.16 | pclov3r | going to build android from source |
| 23:12.21 | pclov3r | wanted to do it form my ssd |
| 23:12.27 | pclov3r | but it appears i cant due to limited space |
| 23:12.52 | pclov3r | I have a 40GB SSD and a 120GB ssd + a 1 TB drive |
| 23:13.04 | pclov3r | 120GB SSD is for windows |
| 23:13.15 | jagginess | pclov3r, #android knows better than us |
| 23:13.35 | pclov3r | yeah. The symlink question was what ineeded to know |
| 23:14.57 | pclov3r | does a SATA DRAM ssd exist? |
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| 23:17.09 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: yes, but it's volatile, of course. |
| 23:17.48 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 23:17.55 | Erlkoenig | why not just using ramdisks? |
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| 23:19.02 | dondelelcaro | Erlkoenig: because you might want 1T of DRAM. |
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| 23:19.17 | JoshuaP | How does one give sftp access to a user to view and write ONLY their assigned folder? |
| 23:19.20 | pclov3r | I was just curious |
| 23:19.28 | Erlkoenig | ah, because that won't fit into a (SO)DIMM slot? |
| 23:20.04 | pclov3r | i suppsoe it's necessry to use ECC ram |
| 23:20.08 | pclov3r | in a DRAM ssd |
| 23:21.03 | Rockj | justin_: only problem is that my special dual head display config for X doesnt work. meh. |
| 23:22.09 | pclov3r | whats wrong with it? |
| 23:23.06 | jagginess | JoshuaP, cd /home, chmod o= userpath |
| 23:24.00 | jagginess | JoshuaP, eg: (chmod o= /home/JoshuaP<enter>) |
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| 23:24.27 | jagginess | JoshuaP, ls -la <enter> shows that othermembers has "---" permissions |
| 23:24.35 | jagginess | (in /home) |
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| 23:25.14 | jagginess | JoshuaP, if you want to use /home/<user> as "/" in sftp.. then you need to use the sftpjailroot option in the sshd_config file |
| 23:25.33 | jagginess | JoshuaP, but remember, ssh also offers a shell |
| 23:25.45 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: depends; sometimes not. See http://www.sandirect.com/texas-memory-ramsan-440-enterprise-ssd-storage-p-1247.html for an example. |
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| 23:27.21 | Tordek | hi |
| 23:28.38 | Tordek | I use ibus for japanese input; however it seems ibus ignores my ~/.XCompose; is this a bug/anyone know how to make ibus use that config?) |
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| 23:29.11 | pclov3r | dondelelcaro, seems like nice desgin. Costly tho i bet |
| 23:30.01 | jagginess | Tordek, systesmsettings/language(shows 3 'modes') and there's another place check systemsettings/keyboardlayout (not 'Keyboard'), |
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| 23:30.47 | jagginess | Tordek, systemsettings/RegionNLanguage (and check 'Layouts' tab) |
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| 23:32.51 | Tordek | jagginess: kde's systemsettings? |
| 23:32.59 | jagginess | Tordek, i'm not sure in debian, but in ubuntu there is a 'Keyboard layouts' icon, where there's these 3 modes.. one mode mentioning something about ibus |
| 23:33.20 | jagginess | Tordek, theres probably these 3 modes config somewhere i'm checking .. |
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| 23:37.06 | jagginess | Tordek, is it a complex key substitute? There's like hundreds of options (at least here what i'm seeing here in wheezytesting) |
| 23:37.24 | jagginess | Tordek, there is a 'compose' section |
| 23:39.10 | jagginess | Tordek, i'm noticing these ibus packages not installed |
| 23:39.44 | jagginess | (ibus-xkbc) |
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| 23:40.57 | sexyshape_ | I've compiled a kernel module and put it in /lib/modules/…/ then ran depmod -a, and modprobe can't find it, what do I miss ? |
| 23:41.21 | jagginess | you forgot to say please |
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| 23:42.34 | sexyshape_ | who do you speak too ? anyone know what do I miss please ? |
| 23:43.11 | MissPlease | sexyshape. |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | UH |
| 23:43.24 | MissPlease | :) |
| 23:44.01 | MissPlease | i think make install usually copies it, but there's make-kpkg for mdoules |
| 23:44.06 | abrotman | MissPlease: not amused .. |
| 23:46.02 | sexyshape | well I didn't use any pkg thing. Juste make and cp to /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon |
| 23:46.14 | jagginess | Tordek, looks like debian doesnt very different than ubuntu, the package ibus-xkvc which i mentioned earlier looks like what you're interested in , it also has a -doc package (but i'm on wheezytesting, dunno if you see it on anything priod) |
| 23:46.18 | jagginess | prior |
| 23:46.39 | jagginess | Tordek, package ibus-xkbc |
| 23:47.18 | jagginess | Tordek, you'll then get a menu item that'll show the things i was talking about about input methods |
| 23:48.34 | pclov3r | I have to say i'm very supprised debain had drivers for my X-FI Sound card |
| 23:48.49 | jagginess | pclov3r, that's for any linux |
| 23:49.02 | jagginess | pclov3r, hardware is stuff from kernel.org |
| 23:49.11 | jagginess | the linux distros grab the kernel from there |
| 23:50.10 | pclov3r | ah |
| 23:50.22 | pclov3r | Any ideas on how to get my USB mic working? |
| 23:50.32 | Tordek | (terribly sorry, I had to step put for a sec) |
| 23:50.42 | Tordek | thanks, jagginess; i'll look into that |
| 23:50.44 | karlpinc | pclov3r: There are differences in distro's though. |
| 23:50.53 | karlpinc | !tell pclov3r about hard to use |
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| 23:51.34 | karlpinc | pclov3r: Look at the dmesg output to see if it's recognized when plugged in. Also, run lsusb as root. |
| 23:52.12 | pclov3r | it is in the volume manager |
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| 23:53.07 | karlpinc | pclov3r: After you have the usb vendor id and device id from the above, check at: http://www.linux-usb.org/ |
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| 23:53.31 | pclov3r | is there a way to set a default mic? |
| 23:53.45 | pclov3r | I suppsoe therer would be |
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| 23:54.30 | karlpinc | pclov3r: I'm not a sound guy, but I think alsa has some sort of monitor you can use to see what your input levels look like. Maybe the <alsa> factoid? |
| 23:54.47 | jagginess | alsamixer in console, is it gone? |
| 23:55.00 | karlpinc | pclov3r: This also sounds like something that the debian reference manual would have a section on.... |
| 23:55.05 | jagginess | never had to touch an alsa issue in ages hehehe |
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| 23:55.30 | pclov3r | alisamixer still works in console |
| 23:56.39 | ARCADIVS | Somehow after installing encfs and libpam-mount my display manager, slim, would not automatically start and /etc/init.d/slim restart just completely screwed things up and I actually had to do a hard reboot! huh? |
| 23:56.43 | sexyshape | oh I found why I had a problem, I copied the .o instead of the .ko … sorry |
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| 23:58.00 | ARCADIVS | I purged those two packages and now slim starts fine and everything is back to normal but how could those packages prevent slim from doing its job at all? |
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| 23:58.24 | karlpinc | ARCADIVS: What release? (No clue as to the problem.) |
| 23:58.34 | ARCADIVS | Wheezy |
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| 23:58.49 | karlpinc | ARCADIVS: Check the bts, and file a bug if necessary. |
