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| 00:03.17 | thepro4ever | i need an app that is good for streaming music and also shows the title of the song, also allows me to save the song to disk |
| 00:03.20 | thepro4ever | any ideas? |
| 00:03.54 | thepro4ever | nbf, you kinky fellow |
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| 00:06.56 | ARCADIVS | I'm sure lots of software "allows" you to save a stream but I don't think many have a button for that functionality or anything. |
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| 00:10.09 | pclov3r | lol |
| 00:10.13 | pclov3r | i changed the app settings and my mic works |
| 00:10.16 | pclov3r | oops |
| 00:10.19 | sexyshape | I just awoke |
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| 00:18.36 | karlpinc | pclov3r: We've all been there. For reference, you're only a grade #2 dumbass. The grade #1 dumbass forgets to plug the wires in. ;-) |
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| 00:59.31 | noesc | I've just installed a netinstall with the bare minimum I could install. Everything seems fine until I wanted to connect to a mirror and update the package list and start to install new packages. |
| 01:00.31 | noesc | I did: apt-get update (no errors), then apt-get install openssh-server... package not found |
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| 01:01.33 | abrotman | noesc: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:01.38 | noesc | Tried to clear the cache and re-download the package list but no different. When I do apt-cache search ssh I only get 4-6 entries instead of a huge list which you would suspect |
| 01:02.48 | noesc | deb https://ftp.au.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free (and the same for deb-src) |
| 01:03.02 | noesc | not https... (I typed manually) |
| 01:04.34 | abrotman | noesc: aptitude update;aptitude search openssh |
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| 01:08.16 | noesc | I actually found the problem, the sources.list had "squeeze-updates" instead of "squeeze" |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | which isn't what you typed above .. |
| 01:09.35 | noesc | These are two different machines so I could not paste =) |
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| 01:10.08 | noesc | what's the difference between squeeze and squeeze-updates? |
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| 01:11.05 | noesc | I've never seen -updates before so I assumed that was how it was supposed to be since the installation added that line |
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| 01:12.38 | dondelelcaro | noesc: squeeze-updates only has packages which are known to change rapidly, like virus definition files, etc. |
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| 01:14.38 | noesc | dondelelcaro: thanks. Wonder why that happened. Anyhow, fixed, thanks |
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| 01:40.33 | enyawix | kde4 from back ports installed pulse audio. is there a kde4 compiled without pulse? |
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| 01:48.39 | karlpinc | enyawix: Did you try with aptitude -R? |
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| 01:49.33 | zophy | how can i find out which debian cd (1 or 2 or whatever) kismet is on ? |
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| 01:51.00 | gnarface | zophy: you mean without downloading them all? |
| 01:51.37 | zophy | gnarface, yes, and even without downloading all the list files |
| 01:52.46 | zophy | gnarface, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/list-cd/ |
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| 01:54.01 | harovali1 | in squeeze, which boot init.d script is responsible for setting the NICs up ? |
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| 01:56.10 | threadlock | a xen-tools/debootstrap question: when I issue the xen-create-image command I'd like the name of the logical volume to be /dev/vg0/domu-<hostname> rather than /dev/vg0/<hostname>-disk |
| 01:56.14 | threadlock | any hints? |
| 01:59.21 | harovali1 | in my setup, the network interfaces eventually get configured in the booting process, however sshd is failing to start, possibly because I'm running the S[nn]ssh -> ../init.d/ssh earlier than the network is up. Since the 'networking' init.d script isn't being invoked albeit the network *does* ultimately get configured, I suppose it must be network-manager related. However, neither network-manager is being invoked, althoug |
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| 02:04.44 | threadlock | nvm, I'll use it as is or use domu-<hostname> as hostname.. |
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| 02:25.32 | dvs | !qotd52 |
| 02:25.33 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 02:27.45 | Infiltrator | ? |
| 02:28.04 | phogg | Clearly true. |
| 02:28.36 | Infiltrator | Hm... |
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| 02:30.03 | Infiltrator | "Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited)"? When did this happen? |
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| 02:30.42 | gnarface | Infiltrator: it has always been that way, you are confused. it is like that in order to point out that #debian-next is on oftc.net not freenode (which is where you are now) |
| 02:31.10 | Infiltrator | Ah. Forgot where I was. :) |
| 02:31.23 | Infiltrator | Thanks. |
| 02:31.27 | gnarface | no problem. :) |
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| 02:32.55 | initself | i added PermitRootLogin without-password to /etc/ssh/ssh_config, restarted the service, and I can still get in as root. |
| 02:32.58 | initself | what am I missing? |
| 02:33.37 | gnarface | initself: the documentation, apparently. i think you want to set that to "no" |
| 02:33.51 | initself | i also tried setting it to 'no' |
| 02:34.14 | gnarface | it will not retroactively apply to currently open terminals |
| 02:34.18 | initself | maybe i need to indent? |
| 02:34.19 | Infiltrator | initself: 'PermitRootLogin no' in sshd_config |
| 02:34.40 | initself | PermitRootLogin no |
| 02:34.44 | initself | that's what i have |
| 02:35.02 | gnarface | initself: if you're trying to kick someone already logged in as root you have to also kill their shell |
| 02:35.25 | initself | it's a clean login |
| 02:35.28 | initself | no users on |
| 02:35.36 | initself | just sparked up this linode |
| 02:35.37 | gnarface | so... debian version? |
| 02:35.40 | initself | 6 |
| 02:36.00 | gnarface | oh its a virtual machine? |
| 02:36.06 | initself | yes |
| 02:36.12 | gnarface | god only knows then |
| 02:36.17 | initself | oh really!? |
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| 02:36.18 | dvs | initself: in sshD_config |
| 02:36.34 | initself | there we go |
| 02:36.45 | initself | i did have a shell window open that i didn't see |
| 02:36.49 | initself | so you have to completely log out |
| 02:36.56 | initself | wait, might have password wrong |
| 02:37.06 | initself | nope, still works |
| 02:37.12 | initself | ya, vps = all bets are off |
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| 02:37.18 | initself | i'll take that as an answer |
| 02:37.24 | initself | no |
| 02:37.32 | initself | dvs: i bet you are right |
| 02:37.54 | initself | there we go |
| 02:37.59 | initself | initself-- # idiot |
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| 02:38.24 | gnarface | oh i didn't even notice that. yea you totally had the wrong path to the config file |
| 02:38.40 | initself | thanks gents! |
| 02:38.41 | initself | gnarface++ |
| 02:38.42 | gnarface | would seem pretty rude for them to intercept the ssh requests. |
| 02:38.43 | initself | dvs++ |
| 02:39.03 | gnarface | well it was dvs that time |
| 02:39.04 | dvs | initself: Infiltrator was right too |
| 02:39.08 | initself | Infiltrator++ |
| 02:39.19 | gnarface | was wrong that time |
| 02:39.23 | initself | gnarface-- |
| 02:39.28 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:39.33 | dvs | harsh! |
| 02:39.41 | initself | initself-- # too harsh! |
| 02:40.03 | gnarface | harsh but fair |
| 02:40.21 | ShaggyTwoDope | looks around |
| 02:40.27 | initself | on another note, how do you stop having sexual thoughts about your ex wife when you've moved on and have an entirely new family? |
| 02:40.47 | Infiltrator | !offtopic |
| 02:40.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:40.48 | Infiltrator | :D |
| 02:41.05 | initself | this is debian related because for some reason i am setting up this Debian VPS for her. |
| 02:41.13 | initself | and it sucks. |
| 02:41.16 | initself | and i shouldn't be doing it. |
| 02:41.18 | ShaggyTwoDope | lol |
| 02:41.45 | Infiltrator | initself: Take a break and go to your current wife. When you're done, come back. |
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| 02:41.54 | initself | excellent advice |
| 02:41.56 | initself | Infiltrator++ |
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| 02:49.06 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:49.10 | lenswipe | anyone able to explain this: http://imagebin.org/232105 ? |
| 02:49.22 | lenswipe | having problems updating my system |
| 02:49.48 | gnarface | lenswipe: it was changed to deb-multimedia.org |
| 02:49.55 | lenswipe | i see... |
| 02:50.07 | Infiltrator | gnarface: Any particular reason? |
| 02:50.22 | dvs | really |
| 02:50.25 | dvs | ? |
| 02:50.29 | gnarface | Infiltrator: yea because people were getting confused and thinking it was an official part of debian |
| 02:50.38 | Infiltrator | gnarface: Makes sense. |
| 02:50.50 | gnarface | dvs: yea so i heard. i thought i even read it on slashdot but maybe i just dreamed that... |
| 02:51.36 | dvs | mines alread changed, but I didn't change it. Hmmmm... |
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| 02:53.03 | gnarface | dvs: this is the type of error that happens when you go too long between updates |
| 02:53.07 | Infiltrator | Why doesn't d.m.o just submit the packages to debian proper? Surely it could be placed in non-free? |
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| 02:53.18 | abrotman | Infiltrator: not always |
| 02:53.28 | phix | There seems to be something wrong with the latest cyrus22 package. LMTP socket will time out and not allow delivery after a while, no error is logged in syslog except from SMTP server as it cant deliver the email |
| 02:53.31 | gnarface | Infiltrator: from what i've been told its generally due to quality control issues or outright illegality |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | and also, the quality of the packages is not held to the same quality |
| 02:53.39 | lenswipe | gnarface, i didnt update my system for a while because ive been away at university |
| 02:53.59 | phix | I have this problem with 3 seperate servers running 32 and 64bit version of Debian located at 3 different geo locations |
| 02:54.12 | gnarface | lenswipe: perfectly forgivable. you can have similar issues with apt itself fyi. |
| 02:54.18 | phix | And all after an update |
| 02:54.20 | lenswipe | ok |
| 02:54.34 | lenswipe | gnarface, my flatmates are assholes so i came home for a while to get away from them |
| 02:54.40 | lenswipe | when i left they were throwing plates out of the window |
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| 02:55.02 | gnarface | haha the good ol' days |
| 02:55.13 | lenswipe | and blasting loud music till 5am |
| 02:55.16 | Infiltrator | lenswipe: Being away is no excuse. You have ssh. :) |
| 02:55.27 | lenswipe | Infiltrator, and an empty house with a power bill. |
| 02:55.40 | lenswipe | gnarface, great fun in 1st year....less fun if you're a 4th year living with that |
| 02:55.42 | lenswipe | i cant get any worok done |
| 02:55.44 | lenswipe | work done* |
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| 02:56.12 | Infiltrator | lenswipe: Then where was your computer whilst you were away? |
| 02:56.19 | lenswipe | in my house |
| 02:56.20 | lenswipe | in my room |
| 02:56.26 | lenswipe | i took my laptop with me to uni |
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| 02:57.02 | lenswipe | Infiltrator, i dont consider running apt-get update a valid reason to phone my parents and ask them to switch my computer on |
| 02:57.15 | lenswipe | plus i would have to ask them for the house's external IP which they likely dont know how to find |
| 02:57.19 | Infiltrator | abrotman, gnarface: Ah, I see. I'll steer clear of d.m.o then. :) |
| 02:57.24 | lenswipe | and i would have to ask them to open port 22 |
| 02:57.39 | lenswipe | which, given that i run smoothwall here - is very likely they dont know how to do |
| 02:57.47 | Infiltrator | lenswipe: Fair enough, then. |
| 02:57.50 | lenswipe | :) |
| 02:57.56 | Infiltrator | By the way, whatismyip.org. :) |
| 02:58.02 | lenswipe | Infiltrator, i use cmyip.com |
| 02:58.02 | lenswipe | :) |
| 02:58.23 | lenswipe | oh and i would need them to check the smoothwall dhcp leases to see what my desktop pc's IP was so they could forward the por |
| 02:58.24 | lenswipe | port* |
| 02:58.33 | Infiltrator | Just saying that most people can still get it even if they don't know what they're doing. :P |
| 02:58.44 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 02:58.48 | jagginess | google can show you ur ip, google "show my ip" |
| 02:58.50 | phix | so any one else experienced these issues with cyrus22 package? |
| 02:59.00 | Infiltrator | jagginess: Many ways. :) |
| 02:59.16 | Infiltrator | lenswipe: Anyway, we should stop the noise now. :) |
| 02:59.26 | jagginess | that's the best way, right on top of the google output! |
| 02:59.28 | gnarface | phix: i haven't. what version of debian are you on again? |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | Infiltrator: feel free to use #debian-offtopic |
| 03:00.04 | lenswipe | kk Infiltrator lol |
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| 03:00.23 | jagginess | remembers if one is using ddns, they might as use curl to extract their WAN ip from their router box |
| 03:00.40 | jagginess | to setup the ddns update script |
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| 03:00.48 | Infiltrator | abrotman: I mean that it's not really a discussing that's worth having, and we should stop now. :) |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | or not start to begin with .. |
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| 03:02.58 | Infiltrator | abrotman: Yes, mother. |
| 03:03.06 | jagginess | oO |
| 03:03.35 | jagginess | i think that came off a bit like an abbreviation to something |
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| 03:05.13 | Tordek | I use ibus for japanese input; however it seems ibus ignores my ~/.XCompose; is this a bug/anyone know how to make ibus use that config? |
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| 03:06.15 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... when i run tasksel install gnome-desktop , it freezes at please wait and doesn't do anything ! |
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| 03:07.37 | jagginess | Tordek, what's in .Xcompose? |
| 03:07.44 | LinuX2half | I'm having trouble using a live cd that I've created, when I was using the graphical installer, it said it cannot seem to load the content from the cd. |
| 03:08.02 | LinuX2half | Then I check the md5sums, it's all displayed correctly. |
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| 03:08.11 | LinuX2half | I don't know what's wrong. |
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| 03:08.25 | Tordek | jagginess: oh, hi, I didn't know you were there |
| 03:08.49 | jagginess | Tordek, i googa-wiki'ed this :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_input_methods_for_UNIX_platforms |
| 03:08.50 | LinuX2half | The only problem was my software burner whom intermittently produces errors about sectors at the end. |
| 03:08.52 | Rockj | hm, anyone good with debugging nfs? Im trying to setup my workstation towards nfs, but every mapping from nfs gives me nobody:nobody which sounds like there is an issue with rpc.imapd. Funny part is that getent passwd fetches users from ldap .. and I can even touch files inside my directory, so permissions is right .. it just doesnt show right in the client it seems. |
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| 03:09.04 | Tordek | there's some personal configs (I actually haven't tried to put it in a systemwide place, but I'd rather avoid that) |
| 03:09.07 | LinuX2half | It's getting tedious so I abort the mission of verifying the files. |
| 03:09.37 | jagginess | Tordek, use pastebin, i can try to help you on this, you've been on this too long |
| 03:10.00 | LinuX2half | So then I used the cd to check for its integrity, stating it failed and is possibly corrupted. |
| 03:10.02 | jagginess | Tordek, i mean what wiki helppage are you trying? |
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| 03:10.49 | Tordek | I'm using this .XCompose, jagginess https://github.com/kragen/xcompose so I'm fairly sure that's not the problem |
| 03:10.54 | jagginess | Tordek, read the bottom of this page http://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE |
| 03:11.08 | jagginess | Tordek, make sure you've also checked out those packages :) |
| 03:11.54 | jagginess | Tordek, that github says its 4 years old! |
| 03:12.25 | Tordek | nothing wrong about that, jagginess; the default XCompose is probably older ;) |
| 03:13.14 | Tordek | they work when I use them in my console, urxvt: ? |
| 03:14.04 | jagginess | Tordek, i thought you want to use japanese input in X applications |
| 03:14.18 | Tordek | jagginess: yes and no :P |
| 03:14.39 | Tordek | I ise ibus for japanese, and I use compose key for math and other things |
| 03:14.52 | Tordek | *use |
| 03:15.13 | jagginess | Tordek, well if you use an gnometerm app, i'm sure it can take your input method provided it's setup right - vs plaintext.. dunno if tty1-6 can share the same input system (i'm not familiar if they can) |
| 03:15.30 | Tordek | they both work, separately, but apps that use ibus don't use my .XCompose mappings... or at least that's what it looks like |
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| 03:17.03 | jagginess | Tordek, is Xcompose something you manuall un-tarred to your system? there must be already something packaged from the repository for your plaintext sessions |
| 03:17.13 | jagginess | ,/manually/ |
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| 03:17.55 | Tordek | the compose key is basic in X, it's not an extra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key |
| 03:18.07 | Tordek | the config file I got from that github repo |
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| 03:19.35 | jagginess | Tordek, did you try the 'Compose' item from the gui settings? |
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| 03:19.52 | Tordek | in ibus's settings? |
| 03:20.30 | jagginess | Tordek, no this one would be in one of the 'keyboard' sections in systemsettings (there's 2, either it'll be in regionNlanguage or Keyboard) |
| 03:20.59 | Tordek | I didn't see one there... you mean kde's systemsettings? |
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| 03:21.35 | jagginess | Tordek, maybe kde has it .. um.. kde has a control center too, i have a feeling it should too |
| 03:21.59 | jagginess | Tordek, kcontrol<enter> |
| 03:22.22 | Tordek | in kde (4), the control center is "systemsettings" |
| 03:23.47 | jagginess | Tordek, you should be able to do it graphically (because I know i can in gnome) |
| 03:24.45 | jagginess | Tordek, if you're still stuck, I can try to find a very relevant mailinglist |
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| 03:26.52 | Tordek | thanks, jagginess, but that's not necessary :) |
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| 03:36.34 | LinuX2half | So I boot into the debian environment, checking for the cd integrity. It stated that ./doc/manual/el/install.el.txt failed the test. Saying it's corrupted. |
| 03:36.43 | LinuX2half | what should I do now? |
| 03:37.51 | LinuX2half | I'm not sure why exactly is it corrupted since my software burner have clearly written the data but unsuccessfully verify it due to some sector offset errors |
| 03:38.33 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: If that's the only file in error, and you don't speak 'el', you should be fine. |
| 03:38.54 | Infiltrator | el is Greek, right? |
| 03:39.15 | LinuX2half | yeah. But it says it's corrupted through this file. |
| 03:39.24 | LinuX2half | So how am I be able to proceed with the installation? |
| 03:39.50 | LinuX2half | When it's loading component from the cd, the bar was stuck during "retrieving pakman-md |
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| 03:42.12 | LinuX2half | So I'm basically screwed with the installation process. The installer isn't able to load the proper components, asking me to check the cd integrity. The first test ran successfully up to 72%, staring at some /pool/main file. |
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| 03:45.26 | LinuX2half | Very confusing. |
| 03:45.46 | LinuX2half | It says on the documents, there are many various issues dealing with cd reliability. |
| 03:45.52 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: That sounds like the paman-md file is also corrupted. |
| 03:46.04 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: If I were you, I'd try to burn again at a lower speed. |
| 03:46.08 | LinuX2half | Oh. |
| 03:46.12 | LinuX2half | I burn at 16x speed |
| 03:46.54 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: Depending on your hardware/software/CD reducing the speed can give you more reliability. |
| 03:47.20 | LinuX2half | Ok, so now the cd is pretty much useless? |
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| 03:48.55 | judezhan | sls |
| 03:48.58 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: For installing? Probably. |
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| 03:49.13 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: If it's a brand new CD, your burner might need replacing, though. |
| 03:49.46 | paul0 | for some reason, flash doesn't work with epiphany (but works with iceweasel and midori) |
| 03:49.47 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: If you have a decent internet connection, the best way (I find - this is just personal opinion) is to use a netinst CD. |
| 03:50.28 | judezhan | LinuX2half: I also recommand netinst |
| 03:50.41 | LinuX2half | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.18 | LinuX2half | It's not like, it acts like a wifi that detects access point and reach their server.... |
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| 03:54.32 | LinuX2half | It seems that one that I'm familiar with is the ethernet connection. |
| 03:56.04 | LinuX2half | what's the difference between download packages of cd or dvd files? |
| 03:56.15 | LinuX2half | Does the dvd file contain more packages than the cd? |
| 03:56.45 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: Yes, the DVD iso contains more packages. |
| 03:56.58 | gnarface | use the netinstall |
| 03:57.02 | gnarface | !netinst |
| 03:57.02 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 03:57.17 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: The netinst CD iso is small and contains very little. During installation, it connects to a repo and fetches packages from there. |
| 03:57.20 | Infiltrator | Oh. |
| 03:57.27 | blackshirt | is apt-get depends on wget ? |
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| 03:57.34 | Infiltrator | blackshirt: No. |
| 03:57.45 | LinuX2half | so what kind of internet connection does it support? |
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| 03:57.54 | Infiltrator | blackshirt: apt-get is the Debian package manager; wget is a program to fetch files from the Internet. |
| 03:57.55 | LinuX2half | for one, it doesn't seem to support wifi |
| 03:58.00 | blackshirt | infiltrator, what the downloader uset by apt-get |
| 03:58.02 | blackshirt | ? |
| 03:58.49 | LinuX2half | Also, I don't to waste cd's to perform another experiment if it doesn't work. |
| 03:58.54 | judezhan | LinuX2half: mayby the wifi driver is missing |
| 03:58.54 | Some_Person | Infiltrator: It supports any internet connection. You probably don't have your wifi configured properly |
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| 03:59.08 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: Your hardware may require firmware files; see the 'detect network hardware' section. |
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| 03:59.12 | gnarface | LinuX2half: will it boot via usb? you don't have to necessarily use cd's |
| 03:59.15 | Infiltrator | Some_Person: Incorrect person. :) |
| 03:59.20 | blackshirt | infiltrator, what the downloader uset by apt-get? |
| 03:59.21 | LinuX2half | yeah, it could. |
| 03:59.32 | Some_Person | Infiltrator: Oops, sorry |
| 04:00.16 | Infiltrator | blackshirt: I don't understand the question. |
| 04:01.10 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: Waste CDs? May I ask where you live? In most places, CDs are something people want to get rid of. |
| 04:01.38 | blackshirt | infiltrator, if we run apt-get install, that would download some packages, is the downloader was wget ? If not, is it external program, likes curl ? |
| 04:02.06 | LinuX2half | Infiltrator, well throwing them seems like purchasing trash. |
| 04:03.01 | Infiltrator | blackshirt: I'm not entirely sure; I thought that it was built-in, but I'm probably mistaken. |
| 04:03.15 | Infiltrator | LinuX2half: Well, I mean, are you really going to use those CDs for anything else? |
| 04:03.43 | LinuX2half | Yes. If the CD is corrupted, I might be able to perform other functions that it have provided with. |
| 04:04.20 | LinuX2half | Such as checking the cd integrity. |
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| 04:04.46 | judezhan | blackshirt: I think wget or curl is just tools for downloading, for apt-get, they dont need this, just connect to the server and start downloading |
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| 04:08.44 | LinuX2half | Have anyone used unetbootin? |
| 04:10.30 | blackshirt | not yet |
| 04:11.42 | alusion | my installation keeps failing when it comes to installing GRUB in /dev/sda T_T |
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| 04:13.03 | blackshirt | with some messages? |
| 04:13.33 | alusion | eh a couple |
| 04:13.39 | alusion | doing netinstall wheezy |
| 04:13.57 | alusion | on crucial m4, got some partitions on, readjusting now |
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| 04:24.01 | Infiltrator | alusion: What's the failure message? |
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| 04:54.59 | bigmeow | http://superuser.com/questions/488281/which-package-i-should-choose-if-i-want-to-install-virtualenv-for-python |
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| 05:02.34 | pishguy | hi all. all of debian apt-get operation is hangUp . such az dpkg or apt-get: E: The package ibsng needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 05:03.29 | BuisSse | would SNAT and POSTROUTING rules have issues |
| 05:03.35 | BuisSse | I have 2 WAN interfaces |
| 05:03.48 | BuisSse | My Default Route is xxx WAN Interface |
| 05:04.00 | BuisSse | and I have some POSTRUTING rules for yyy Iterface |
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| 05:09.24 | LinuX2half | So burning an iso image at the lowest speed will guaranteed the cd reliability? |
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| 05:11.09 | BuisSse | yea |
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| 05:11.26 | BuisSse | lesser the speed..more the reliability |
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| 05:14.40 | Suppa_Spic | are the dotdeb repos OK? (or should I use something else?) |
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| 05:23.55 | jagginess | LinuX2half, for cheap cd drives yes, but it also depends if the media how good it is with the drive (media has their burn speed limits) |
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| 05:24.27 | jagginess | LinuX2half, (different speed burn limits-- marked on the cd's in teenie little lettering on the cd rings) |
| 05:24.35 | tryy3|Coding | hi this might be wrong place to ask, but iam still gonna ask, iam trying to setup a dante-server (proxy server) and iam wondering how do i start it, i edited the dante.conf but i cant connect! |
| 05:24.53 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, it could be password protected |
| 05:25.29 | tryy3|Coding | jagginess maybe... how do i connect with a username/password with chrome? |
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| 05:36.31 | repercuss | tryy3|Coding: It doesnt have something like Dante = Disabled in /etc/defaults somewhere does it? |
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| 05:39.48 | rcbarnes | I'm having an issue with my MoBo USB ports not working that I'd really appreaciate a hand on. Essentially, my devices start connecting, but something prevents the setup negotiation from completing. Relevant lsusb, lspci, dmesg, and BIOS scans/logs/settings are pasted here: http://pastebin.com/n7iCPHkF http://pastebin.com/wUQPiwXK http://pastebin.com/pkL1ShVm http://pastebin.com/4yu6x3BP |
| 05:42.33 | jagginess | rcbarnes, update your bios hehe |
| 05:42.48 | rcbarnes | jagginess: Can't. No newer releases. |
| 05:42.54 | rcbarnes | :-( |
| 05:43.10 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, should be in chrome itself... but the proxy type has to be the type chrome can support |
| 05:43.25 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, there are different proxy protocol standards.. know which one you're hooking |
| 05:43.44 | jagginess | rcbarnes, what motherboard is it? |
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| 05:44.03 | rcbarnes | Tyan S2195 or so |
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| 05:44.30 | rcbarnes | Tyan Thunder n6650W s2915 |
| 05:44.31 | jagginess | dmidecode would actually give the whole shebang :) |
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| 05:45.20 | burhan|work | I am on debian squeeze 6.0.5; whenever a web script (running under Apache), creates a file, the owner is changed to root, but the group remains www-data. I need the owner and group to be www-data (which I thought was the default). How do I troubleshoot this? |
| 05:46.36 | jagginess | rcbarnes, and your bios says v.3 upon bootup? |
| 05:47.22 | jagginess | burhan|work, why does that matter? root should never be used as a normal account and www-data is a daemon user |
| 05:47.51 | rcbarnes | jagginess: V3.00.2915 |
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| 05:48.57 | jagginess | rcbarnes, you should download ubcd or systemrescuecd and run memorytests .. /hardware diagnostics.. first thing is narrow down it's not a powersupply or other hardware issue |
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| 05:49.04 | burhan|work | jagginess: it matters because scripts cannot modify the files since they are not the owners. |
| 05:49.25 | burhan|work | jagginess: also, root should not be creating files under apache; it should be owned by www-data. |
| 05:49.29 | jagginess | burhan|work, well what is apache running under as? |
| 05:49.38 | burhan|work | www-data |
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| 05:49.49 | jagginess | burhan|work, and to what path is the problem? |
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| 05:50.09 | burhan|work | /home/user/www/cache/blah/blah/file.blah |
| 05:50.24 | jagginess | ,/home/user? |
| 05:50.30 | burhan|work | sure |
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| 05:51.10 | jagginess | you should be using mod_pubdir/similar for writing to /home locations |
| 05:51.33 | rcbarnes | jagginess: I'm pretty sure it's not memory, since my very pricy RAM includes ECC and the sort of issues that'd slip through that would manifest somehow other than consistant USB problems. Also, I replaced all my RAM (upgrading to denser chips) recently and it had no effect on the problem. |
| 05:51.46 | jagginess | (default would be ~/public_html something like that).. but anyways.. be sure not to have any stick bits on |
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| 05:52.22 | burhan|work | umm, what does that have to do with it? This instance of Apache is only serving one web site, and that is under /home/user/www/ in this directory, whenever the script creates a file, it is owned by root and group is www-data. |
| 05:52.31 | burhan|work | so I need to fix something such that the owner and group are www-data |
| 05:52.53 | jagginess | rcbarnes, usb problem only occurs when waking up the machine from a sleep mode? |
| 05:53.08 | jagginess | burhan|work, you didnt answer my question |
| 05:53.21 | burhan|work | what was the question? |
| 05:53.40 | rcbarnes | No, my desktop also serves my main crpto tunnels and files, so it never sleeps. |
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| 05:53.48 | jagginess | burhan|work, not to have any sticky bits (chmod xxxx , the chmod command would of included 4 digits for trying to use stickybit) |
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| 05:54.20 | jagginess | burhan|work, i guess you never did that, (but you shouldnt) |
| 05:54.21 | rcbarnes | jagginess: I see no connectivity for any devices on those USB ports |
| 05:54.43 | burhan|work | I didn't mess with sticky bits. |
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| 05:55.10 | rcbarnes | jagginess: Would the output of dmidecode or biosdecode be useful? |
| 05:55.24 | jagginess | burhan|work, selinux comes to mind, so if you enabled that, that can interfere with things too.. i think this is off by default unless you turned it on |
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| 05:55.48 | burhan|work | the parent directory (cache) is user and group www-data with permissions 766 |
| 05:56.03 | burhan|work | however, any file created in this directory by the web server has user as root :/ |
| 05:56.14 | jagginess | rcbarnes, it just lists hardware vendor strings.. it's not a diagnostic tool afaik for checking things like memory corruption, or maybe it can be .. you'll have to dig it out :/ |
| 05:56.15 | burhan|work | and selinux is off. |
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| 05:57.17 | rcbarnes | jagginess: I just though perhaps it would illuminate if something expected was missing/present |
| 05:57.57 | jagginess | burhan|work, have you tried writing in /var/mydirectory ? |
| 05:58.16 | jagginess | burhan|work, that's where you should be writing, in /var |
| 05:58.19 | burhan|work | you mean as a normal user? |
| 05:58.22 | jagginess | <+ subfolder> |
| 05:58.31 | jagginess | burhan|work, no. |
| 05:58.38 | jagginess | burhan|work, www-data |
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| 05:58.45 | burhan|work | what does /var/ have to do with it? |
| 05:58.47 | jagginess | burhan|work, www-data is not a normal user |
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| 05:59.12 | niels1 | rcbarnes, i just joined, so i don't know what the actual issue is, but if you want to diagnose/test for bad memory, you can use memtest86+ for that |
| 05:59.25 | jagginess | burhan|work, dunno, (i use /var, as i said to write to /home, there's usermodule for apache -- dunno if 'root' getting set is a security measure) |
| 05:59.41 | rcbarnes | niels1: I'm diagnosing broken MoBo USB. |
| 06:00.04 | rcbarnes | I'm pretty sure the RAM's fine since I just replaced it (for other reasons) and the problem was unaffected. |
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| 06:00.55 | niels1 | rcbarnes, oh, i see. at home i've got a board with slightly broken USB as well. sometimes it just doesn't recognize what's plugged in |
| 06:01.12 | jagginess | burhan|work, ls -la /home/ ? what's the permissions on /home/<user> ? |
| 06:01.30 | jagginess | burhan|work, (what you're doing is unorthodox) |
| 06:02.03 | rcbarnes | niels1: I wish mine ever worked... :-/ |
| 06:02.29 | jagginess | rcbarnes, how new/old is the motherboard? i thought you said it was working before you installed new ram, and a bit of time with the new ram |
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| 06:04.39 | rcbarnes | jagginess: It's a fairly old board. I want to say 2008 or so. |
| 06:05.10 | jagginess | rcbarnes, you're telling niels1 it never worked so you confused me a bit |
| 06:05.20 | jagginess | rcbarnes, i'd say blow out the dust :) |
| 06:05.30 | niels1 | rcbarnes, is the usb controller of the board recognized by the system? |
| 06:06.01 | rcbarnes | jagginess: Yeah, It did work once long ago. |
| 06:06.07 | jagginess | rcbarnes, it can always be a lose cable.. you have to check the hardware stuff.. diagnostics etc |
| 06:06.19 | rcbarnes | niels1: The controller seems to be recognized fine. |
| 06:06.28 | jagginess | rcbarnes, there are usb cords that hook to the ports on many systems.. maybe it's in your case |
| 06:06.38 | jagginess | rcbarnes, (, cable could be lose) |
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| 06:07.59 | rcbarnes | Which cable? The port is soldered to the board and all my devices seem to have the same issue on the same ports (but no issue with the expansion card's ports). |
| 06:08.16 | niels1 | rcbarnes, it might be a power problem, too. maybe the USB subsystem on your board doesn't receive enough power to power the devices you plug in. do USB sticks with LEDs start flashing when plugged in? do you have an externally powered USB device to try on your system? |
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| 06:09.02 | jagginess | rcbarnes, i've had a weird problem.. but maybe by fluke chance (this works against your logic, but i've done this in the past)-- try reburning the latest firmware.. it's possible some fuzzy state got zapped from a poor shutdown |
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| 06:28.38 | rcbarnes | Thanks for all the help, even if I can't afford to execute the best recommendations yet. (Espeically, jagginess niels1 lowlevel) |
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| 06:33.05 | zetheroo | looking at http://wiki.debian.org/Locale ... is this still applicable with Wheezy? "Get root and type dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the locale(s) you want to generate. At the end, you'll be asked which one should be the default." |
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| 06:37.03 | judezhan | ls |
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| 06:39.55 | zetheroo | bump!? |
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| 06:40.47 | niels1 | zetheroo, it doesn't hurt trying it. i think it should still work |
| 06:41.40 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 06:44.10 | niels1 | works for me. i don't know if there's a gui frontend for that. i've always done it like this |
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| 06:49.07 | zetheroo | ok, no I don't need a gui... |
| 06:49.45 | zetheroo | I was just preparing a new VM and needed to know that I could later change the system language from English to German |
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| 06:51.09 | niels1 | yup, reconfiguring locales should do exactly that. you could do it by hand, too, tho. it's just a matter of generating the necessary locales and then writing the default to /etc/default/locale |
| 06:51.26 | Gargantua | Anyone care to file a bug for me? |
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| 06:52.17 | zetheroo | niels1: when you say "generating" do you mean downloading and installing the locale packages? |
| 06:52.29 | Gargantua | http://pastebin.ca/2246144 |
| 06:52.30 | ectospasm | Gargantua: why not reportbug yourself? |
| 06:52.42 | Gargantua | I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. |
| 06:53.02 | niels1 | zetheroo, well, more like running locale-gen, but that's in the locales package, so you will need that anyway |
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| 06:53.18 | Gargantua | If anyone has squeeze, and that same version of epiphany, try to confirm this by going to soundcloud.com/upload |
| 06:53.26 | Gargantua | It crashes as soon as that loads up o_O |
| 06:53.59 | niels1 | zetheroo, you could also preseed the installer with the locale settings you want, i guess, if you want to take the automatical installation route |
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| 06:54.05 | ectospasm | I just got rid of epiphany... and I don't have squeeze << Gargantua |
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| 06:54.29 | linux-fox | hi ,all |
| 06:54.36 | zetheroo | well just performing 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' seems simple enough |
| 06:54.54 | zetheroo | as long as it works in wheezy :) |
| 06:55.12 | Gargantua | I'll just reportbug. |
| 06:55.55 | niels1 | zetheroo, it does |
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| 06:56.26 | zetheroo | great! |
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| 07:08.15 | oo_miguel | Any idea how I can get hstore for postgresql 9.1 running squeeze? |
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| 07:22.07 | LinuX2half | Why when resizing the disk, it gave me an unexpected error? |
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| 07:23.11 | LinuX2half | I tried to install Debian through the USB, but when it tries to partition the hard drive. It gave an generic error? |
| 07:23.37 | LinuX2half | And why must be the minimum space required be about half? |
| 07:23.52 | LinuX2half | in my case 145GB |
| 07:24.06 | LinuX2half | This is just getting irritating. |
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| 07:30.12 | Sm0ke0ut | Hi. My server crashed last night (Debian squeeze) I found a call trace which most likely caused this, though I can't really understand those traces. Can anyone point me to the right direction? http://media.fayntic.com/kern.log |
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| 07:33.31 | ectospasm | Sm0ke0ut: looks like jbd2, mysqld, apache2, and munin-update were in that dump |
| 07:33.50 | ectospasm | not sure which one caused the crash, if any of them did |
| 07:34.01 | dima` | Sm0ke0ut: Some syscalls are timing out |
| 07:34.08 | ectospasm | has it occurred more than once? |
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| 07:34.54 | Sm0ke0ut | beside that there's not much to find, only that all services failed to reconnect etc. systemload was 55.00 55.00 55.00 though during the whole night |
| 07:34.57 | dima` | Sm0ke0ut: For instance, something is calling write(), which then hangs, effectively. Could be a hardware fault or a kernel bug. I'd ask in a kernel-specific channel about how to turn on more logging. |
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| 07:36.18 | dima` | Sm0ke0ut: If the machine was that overloaded for a long time, the hard disk or its controller could have overheated. Again, people who look at the kernel innards all day are the ones to ask |
| 07:37.03 | Aiwass | I get an error when I try to install wheezy i386, and I get a dependency error on net-tools. I tried different repositories, same result.How can this be solved? |
| 07:37.52 | Sm0ke0ut | I doubt it's being overheated; might it be possible that it's a haddisk/raid failure? |
| 07:38.12 | Gargantua | Sm0ke0ut: I truly feel sorry for you. |
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| 07:38.19 | Gargantua | Sysadmins are heros. |
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| 07:39.36 | Sm0ke0ut | sdb seems to have smart errors |
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| 07:41.32 | dima` | Sm0ke0ut: I'd back up right now, and then run some SMART self-tests |
| 07:41.42 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 07:42.21 | Sm0ke0ut | backups are already made :) 4-hourly sync to an offsite location |
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| 07:46.55 | niels1 | Sm0ke0ut, you may want to look at a longer extract of the kernel log, too. if it was caused by actual disk errors, the kernel would complain about actual read errors at some point |
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| 07:48.34 | Sm0ke0ut | it doesn't. That's all what was in the kern.log until my 7-hour later reboot |
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| 07:56.16 | |johnny| | Hey I'm having trouble figuring out the whole SATA and Raid concept. |
| 07:57.16 | niels1 | SATA is just a communication protocol plus a way to connect hard drives to your computer |
| 07:57.30 | |johnny| | I have a Solid State Drive thats hooked up through SATA. However, when I try to install Debian it gets to the part with the partitions and only gives me two options, Undo Partitioning Changes and Finish. Nothing to make the partitions. I suspect its cause its not seeing the hard drive. |
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| 07:58.10 | |johnny| | And I'm not sure where to put dmraid=true as it said in the wiki. |
| 07:58.33 | Dewi | |johnny|: that sounds like a kernel boot parameter, you would need to enter it from the bootmenu right at the start |
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| 07:59.29 | |johnny| | Dewi: I tried to put it in by pressing e next to an option in Grub and adding it to the list. It didn't seem to make a difference. |
| 07:59.57 | niels1 | |johnny|, it sounds like you're running your disk as fakeraid, too. if you don't need that fakeraid, you could configure your BIOS to use AHCI mode instead |
| 08:00.04 | Dewi | |johnny|: perhaps your controller isn't supported either way with the default modules? But don't give up, there is more you can mess with |
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| 08:00.26 | Dewi | |johnny|: most BIOSes have a few options for the mode the SATA controller operates in, AHCI is better but IDE is more compatible |
| 08:00.30 | |johnny| | niels1 ok I'll try setting it for AHCI |
| 08:00.39 | |johnny| | Originally it was set for IDE |
| 08:00.48 | Dewi | avoid "RAID" mode unless you really want to use the onboard RAID |
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| 08:01.02 | |johnny| | Dewi its unnecessary. I only have one drive. |
| 08:01.06 | niels1 | Dewi, |johnny|, you only need IDE mode for ancient OSes like Windows XP. AHCI is better in most cases |
| 08:01.06 | Dewi | (and usually that isn't worth it since linux software RAID would be just as good) |
| 08:01.17 | |johnny| | ok I'll brb |
| 08:01.24 | |johnny| | If this doesn't work I'll let you guys know |
| 08:01.50 | Dewi | |johnny|: if it doesn't work you'll have to figure out what SATA chipset you have and figure out what module/config it needs |
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| 08:02.34 | |johnny| | Dewi the odd part is Ubuntu takes it right away. Could it be that its just FreeBSD and any variations of it thats tripping it up? |
| 08:02.40 | niels1 | Dewi, |johnny|, and AHCI is usually the only mode where you're actually allowed to hotswap the disks without any risk |
| 08:02.55 | Dewi | |johnny|: are you running bsd or linux? |
| 08:03.10 | |johnny| | Dewi trying to install KFreeBSD Debian |
| 08:03.21 | Dewi | |johnny|: bsd has a lot less drivers than linux |
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| 08:03.32 | |johnny| | But its not going in. Oddly its installing to a Thumb Drive |
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| 08:03.40 | Dewi | (and ubuntu has a few more than free linuxes too) |
| 08:03.42 | |johnny| | But won't see my Solid State drive |
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| 08:04.22 | |johnny| | So I suppose I'm looking at what Motherboard I have then? |
| 08:04.25 | Dewi | |johnny|: are you running it just to get zfs? |
| 08:04.35 | Dewi | probably a silly question if you only have one drive |
| 08:05.18 | Dewi | |johnny|: you should be able to figure out your raid chipset from that, yeah. Or list all the PCI Ids |
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| 08:05.43 | |johnny| | Dewi actually I could set it to AHCI |
| 08:05.46 | |johnny| | But if it doesn't install |
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| 08:06.07 | |johnny| | I will have to see why it won't. Because FreeBSD itself won't |
| 08:06.08 | niels1 | |johnny|, yes, try AHCI first, please |
| 08:06.10 | Dewi | |johnny|: when it comes to hardware type stuff a freebsd channel might know more |
| 08:06.12 | |johnny| | So it could just be BSD |
| 08:06.20 | Dewi | |johnny|: I would try AHCI, then IDE |
| 08:06.28 | |johnny| | ok I'll brb |
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| 08:21.17 | _strog | hi people, |
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| 08:22.50 | _strog | i wanted to know how to convert a manpage comletely to a ps file. I tried this "man -Tps iptables > iptables.ps" but I only get one page. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:43.45 | |johnny| | ok I'm back and got screenshots of the bios: http://s269.beta.photobucket.com/user/JohnnyR0x0rz/library/Bios |
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| 08:44.23 | sephii | I'm installing debian on a new laptop, I installed grub on the mbr but the bios doesn't seem to see it (i get a no operating system error). any idea why? |
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| 08:44.39 | |johnny| | Looks like something is wrong, I'm just not sure what. I'm not really a hardware guy so I'm not certain if a piece of hardware isn't hooked up right. What I do know if that as you can see it lists those devices as IDE devices and it should not be doing that. |
| 08:44.59 | Ecco | sephii: What laptop? |
| 08:45.08 | Ecco | IIRC, some crappy laptop had their BIOS locked to Windows |
| 08:45.16 | Ecco | (i.e. would only boot Windows) |
| 08:45.21 | sephii | Ecco: an HP one |
| 08:45.26 | Ecco | he he |
| 08:45.44 | sephii | also I disabled uefi in the bios, don't know if it's worth mentioning it |
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| 08:46.56 | |johnny| | Unfortunately, I don't have the documentation in here. Not sure where it is tbh. But I do know the motherboard is an ASUS. |
| 08:46.57 | Ecco | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/do-new-versions-of-bios-prevent-installation-of-linux-919736/ |
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| 08:48.39 | |johnny| | Actually it is saying both devices are IDE. I'm not sure why. It says the DVDRW and the Solid State Hard Drive. They aren't. They are SATA devices. |
| 08:48.45 | r4co0n | Hello. I am running wheezy and want to find out the bus my usb-umts-stick connects to. In the wiki it is said that this info can be retrieved by "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices". However, this file does not exist on my system, /proc/usb is empty. How come? |
| 08:48.51 | niels1 | |johnny|, you may have to reboot after setting your BIOS to AHCI mode and then reenter BIOS setup. if it doesn't change, i wouldn't worry about it listing them as IDE drives |
| 08:49.06 | |johnny| | ahh ok niels1 |
| 08:49.19 | r4co0n | i mean /proc/bus/usb the second time too... |
| 08:49.21 | niels1 | |johnny|, well, more or less they are. SATA is IDE over a serial link |
| 08:49.37 | |johnny| | ahh ok |
| 08:49.51 | |johnny| | niels1: I'll reboot and try the Debian installation again |
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| 08:50.03 | niels1 | |johnny|, yup, please try if it works now |
| 08:50.09 | |johnny| | ok :) |
| 08:50.11 | |johnny| | brb |
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| 08:59.48 | tim_flatus | Does gnome3 normally use more than 500MB memory? - looks like I'm going to have to use a lighter DE on this machine. |
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| 09:00.18 | ectospasm | I've noticed even Gnome3 Classic to use about that much... one of the reasons why I left GNOME3. |
| 09:01.20 | tim_flatus | ectospasm: thanks. I'm almost permanently swapping out. |
| 09:01.38 | ectospasm | I found GNOME3 to be half-implemented |
| 09:01.44 | ectospasm | certain things just weren't there |
| 09:01.47 | cobra-the-joker | *agrees |
| 09:01.52 | ectospasm | ...in terms of navigating settings, etc. |
| 09:02.07 | ectospasm | dconf editor wasn't even searchable... /-; |
| 09:02.13 | ChrisH | r4co0n: does lsusb show them? or lshw -short |
| 09:02.13 | tim_flatus | What's the most user-friendly alternative - LXDE? |
| 09:02.19 | cobra-the-joker | i find openbox barehanded more usable |
| 09:02.29 | ectospasm | like when I first ran away from KDE4, it will take a while before I try GNOME3 again |
| 09:02.30 | cobra-the-joker | tim_flatus, xfce , KDE , gnome2 ( mate ) |
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| 09:03.10 | ectospasm | tim_flatus: I'm using XFCE4... it does the same job as (if not better than) GNOME3 Classic |
| 09:03.24 | ectospasm | of course, I use XMonad with this, because I'm a glutton for punishment |
| 09:03.28 | cobra-the-joker | *using gnome2 till now |
| 09:04.05 | tim_flatus | If I was configuring this machine for me I'd install openbox immediately, but this is for a non-computer-literate friend. |
| 09:04.38 | cobra-the-joker | i would say xfce or mate |
| 09:04.45 | cobra-the-joker | or maybe that's just me |
| 09:04.53 | ectospasm | they may find gnome3 with gnome-shell easy, but if the machine is underpowered... |
| 09:04.59 | tim_flatus | I've not come across mate |
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| 09:05.14 | ectospasm | isn't mate pushed by the Mint folks? |
| 09:05.18 | cobra-the-joker | tim_flatus, it's a gnome form |
| 09:05.23 | tim_flatus | ectospasm: the machine is well underpowered. 500MB RAM |
| 09:05.24 | cobra-the-joker | ectospasm, yes probably |
| 09:05.27 | ed8 | hi, I'm trying to setup a virtual host on port 90 but when nmapping it I got this : 90/tcp closed dnsix |
| 09:05.30 | ed8 | any idea ? |
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| 09:06.13 | tim_flatus | OK, looks like xfce got the most votes. ;-) Thanks! |
| 09:06.14 | cobra-the-joker | but it's cool of what i heard .... i am using the original gnome2 ... debian stable |
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| 09:06.18 | |johnny| | ok new problem |
| 09:06.19 | |johnny| | http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj47/JohnnyR0x0rz/image_zps3d82400c.jpg |
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| 09:06.23 | ectospasm | ed8: what user is starting that virtual host? If it isn't root... only system services (started by root) can use privileged ports (0-1023) |
| 09:06.53 | cobra-the-joker | |johnny|, what happened before / |
| 09:06.59 | ed8 | ectospasm: I restart apache with root |
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| 09:07.15 | r4co0n | ChrisH, i need to monitor usb communication. As I understand it, most of my usb devices are talking on bus 1. if i want to log just the output of a certain device, how would I tackle that? I'm reading http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.28.8/Documentation/usb/usbmon.txt |
| 09:07.18 | ChrisH | |johnny|: grub is not correct installed and/or not finding / |
| 09:07.36 | |johnny| | cobra-the-joker: on the other BIOS settings such as RAID and IDE I was at least getting a menu. Setting it to AHCI as recommended is making that happen. |
| 09:07.47 | ectospasm | ed8: I'd have to see your httpd.conf |
| 09:08.12 | |johnny| | Well I can also try the USB install I suppose to see if that works. This is the CD Rom Iso. |
| 09:08.14 | ectospasm | ed8: check netstat, is apache2 listening on port 90? |
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| 09:08.39 | ed8 | ectospasm: it's empty. content is in apache2.conf |
| 09:08.42 | niels1 | |johnny|, well, you don't have a proper install anyway yet, do you? so which grub is it that's failing there? the one from the installer disk? |
| 09:09.02 | |johnny| | niels1: yup |
| 09:09.18 | r4co0n | This document says in line 42:"filtering by bus helps to get rid of talkative devices" |
| 09:09.21 | ChrisH | |johnny|: 1. did you change the BIOS Setting AFTER the installation? 2. Is this a configiured box or a fresh installation? If later I would do another installation, thats the fastest way from my POV. |
| 09:09.29 | ectospasm | ed8: you're funny |
| 09:09.39 | |johnny| | ChrisH: It never installed |
| 09:09.45 | |johnny| | I am trying to install it |
| 09:09.48 | niels1 | |johnny|, that's strange. did you put it into the drive that's labeled as IDE:Optiarc etc.? |
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| 09:09.58 | ed8 | ectospasm: I didn't tell apache to listen on port 90... |
| 09:09.59 | |johnny| | niels1: yeah |
| 09:10.05 | |johnny| | Should I try Atapi? |
| 09:10.12 | ectospasm | ed8: then there's your problem. |
| 09:10.13 | niels1 | |johnny|, can you install from a different drive? or from USB? |
| 09:10.38 | |johnny| | niels1: yeah I can get the mini.iso and I'll dd it from this Ubuntu Live onto USB |
| 09:10.40 | ChrisH | |johnny|: It never installed but booted from disk? Or is this booting from CD/DVD? |
| 09:10.43 | ed8 | ectospasm: isn't apache2.conf the config file on debian-based distrib ? |
| 09:10.59 | ectospasm | ed8: I'm not sure, lemme look |
| 09:11.09 | niels1 | |johnny|, yeah, if the ATAPI is a CDROM, try from there first |
| 09:11.19 | |johnny| | ChrisH: it did boot but it booted the installation with incorrect BIOS settings. As a result, it wasn't seeing the SATA Hard Drive. |
| 09:11.21 | ed8 | On debian, where do I tell httpd to listen on port 90 ? |
| 09:11.44 | |johnny| | So the installation couldn't complete because it couldn't partition. |
| 09:11.46 | ed8 | ok, ports.conf |
| 09:12.27 | niels1 | |johnny|, grub may be trying to read the rest of itself from the ATAPI drive when you're trying to boot it from the ACHI enabled SATA DVD/RW drive |
| 09:12.27 | |johnny| | ok niels1 I'll give it a go. If nothing else I suppose I could try dding the mini.iso onto a USB Stick |
| 09:12.31 | ectospasm | ed8: yeah, ports.conf, or in the different sites-available files... |
| 09:12.45 | ectospasm | (you can list a port in the virtual host definition) |
| 09:13.12 | ChrisH | |johnny|: Where did you get this grub shell from? DVD or USB or Harddisk? |
| 09:13.26 | ChrisH | r4co0n: lsusb should show the bus, too |
| 09:13.47 | niels1 | |johnny|, anyway, is that that board here we're talking about? -> http://www.asus.de/Motherboards/AMD_AM3/M4A89GTD_PROUSB3/#specifications |
| 09:14.10 | ed8 | ectospasm: I put this in my vhost: <VirtualHost *:90>, you mean adding a Listen 90 inside the vhost will be enough |
| 09:14.15 | |johnny| | Yes niels1 I believe that sounds like it. |
| 09:14.29 | |johnny| | Asus Pro something |
| 09:14.30 | niels1 | ChrisH, from the installer CDROM, as far as i can tell. while trying to use the SATA DVD/RW drive |
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| 09:15.12 | |johnny| | The iYeah that looks like the board niels1 |
| 09:15.17 | niels1 | |johnny|, anyway, try the ATAPI drive, if it's in working order, i believe it should work |
| 09:15.25 | |johnny| | ok if not I'll be back |
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| 09:16.44 | Gargantua | ,v virtualbox |
| 09:16.45 | txomon | hi, how may I check in judd a package state? |
| 09:16.46 | txomon | status* |
| 09:16.46 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.18-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-1 |
| 09:17.01 | ectospasm | ed8: I don't have explicit Listen lines in my virtual hosts, but I'm just using 80 and 443 |
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| 09:17.34 | txomon | ,v cobbler |
| 09:17.35 | judd | No package named 'cobbler' was found in i386. |
| 09:17.56 | txomon | so... that means there isn't a port of cobbler package... |
| 09:18.00 | txomon | (ubuntu's one) |
| 09:18.15 | ed8 | ectospasm: #httpd guy tell me Listen is valid only in server config : https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#listen |
| 09:18.18 | txomon | any tut for making a package in debian? |
| 09:18.32 | ectospasm | ed8: that makes sense... |
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| 09:18.59 | ed8 | ectospasm: yep, what about the NameVirtualHost directive should I add one for port 90 ? |
| 09:20.15 | ectospasm | ed8: probably should |
| 09:20.37 | ectospasm | ed8: I'm not an apache2/httpd expert, you're better off asking in #httpd or #apache2 |
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| 09:21.20 | ed8 | ectospasm: sorry, I thought I was when sending this message |
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| 09:23.27 | |johnny| | Same error |
| 09:23.39 | niels1 | damn |
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| 09:23.53 | |johnny| | BTW there is only one CDRW which is the Sata one |
| 09:24.12 | |johnny| | Not even sure why ATAPI is even there |
| 09:24.31 | niels1 | oh, i see |
| 09:24.37 | |johnny| | Yeah |
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| 09:24.53 | txomon | will test on my own creating a cobbler package... ty! |
| 09:24.55 | tim_flatus | Is mate in Debian? I can't find it. |
| 09:24.59 | |johnny| | I could try the USB install. Not sure if that will work. |
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| 09:25.06 | frikinz | ed8: if you intend to have several virtualhost for *:90 then .. yes |
| 09:25.17 | niels1 | |johnny|, well, you could try installing from USB. yeah, it should. dd'ing should do, i guess |
| 09:25.47 | |johnny| | Though I am thinking the issue shouldn't pop up with the Kingston Solid State SATA Drive anymore. |
| 09:25.56 | |johnny| | Now that I have the correct BIOS settings |
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| 09:26.49 | niels1 | |johnny|, yeah, that's what i believe. btw, does the bios list the drives differently now, after having entered the setup again with AHCI already being activated before? |
| 09:27.29 | |johnny| | niels1: Yeah it goes a little faster and blinks in a small chart showing both drives for a brief moment. |
| 09:27.30 | tim_flatus | yegods - still waiting for it stop swapping. I might take advantage of ext4 and just hit the flipping power button! |
| 09:28.06 | niels1 | |johnny|, i mean the designation in the bios setup screens. does it still say "IDE"? |
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| 09:28.24 | |johnny| | niels1: yeah it does unfortunately. |
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| 09:29.10 | niels1 | |johnny|, oh well. nothing to worry about, i guess. after all, ATA is like an extended IDE |
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| 09:30.08 | |johnny| | niels1: oddly, when you select IDE in the BIOS instead of AHCI, it doesn't list the devices as IDE. |
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| 09:31.31 | niels1 | |johnny|, yeah, that's a bit odd, i agree |
| 09:31.38 | |johnny| | Though I would guess that also would throw off a Debian installation or any other installations. Maybe Ubuntu kinda just throws the drive in as an IDE drive instead of a true SATA drive. |
| 09:32.07 | |johnny| | After all as you said some distros have support that go back to the WindowsXP days |
| 09:32.20 | niels1 | |johnny|, no, IDE mode should usually work fine. but it's an old protocol. AHCI is better and should be used if possible |
| 09:32.30 | |johnny| | ahh ok |
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| 09:33.19 | niels1 | |johnny|, especially if you intend to do RAID 1 or 5 at some point and want to hot swap drives, you definitely want AHCI |
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| 09:33.39 | |johnny| | ahh |
| 09:33.53 | |johnny| | Well heres the iso that will go onto a USB stick |
| 09:34.04 | |johnny| | Since I'm going BSD this is the one I decided to pick: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 09:34.17 | ag4ve | any documentation on using multistrap like debootstrap? i've read multistrap is supposed to be newer and better and do the same thing, but the only thing i can find is how to build a system for another arch |
| 09:34.17 | |johnny| | Hopefully, that one should work |
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| 09:35.41 | frikinz | ag4ve: I don't know multistrap but debootstrap also allows multiarch (in a two step phase), that's how I installed debian on my phone :) |
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| 09:36.49 | ag4ve | debian on your phone.... that's sorta cool :) |
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| 09:37.43 | ectospasm | I had debian in a chroot on my Android, but the quick start icon links I created for it never worked |
| 09:37.48 | ag4ve | yeah, the first paragraph of most tutorials i've read explains how multistep is much better than debootstrap.... maybe i just need to look at it because no one says how to do a straight install with it |
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| 09:38.04 | ag4ve | ... which generally means it's too stupid simple to write |
| 09:38.09 | |johnny| | just gonna check with you guys step by step |
| 09:38.14 | |johnny| | To see if I'm doing it right |
| 09:38.22 | frikinz | its actually usefull: I have just installed wikimedia on apache that I use at work when there's no network and I can't remember stuffs |
| 09:38.23 | |johnny| | This is the command I think I should be using: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 09:38.27 | |johnny| | Whoops |
| 09:38.41 | |johnny| | sudo dd if=/home/ubuntu/Downloads/mini.iso of=/dev/sdb1 |
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| 09:39.12 | ag4ve | are you trying to burn a cd? |
| 09:39.20 | |johnny| | ag4ve: USB Stick |
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| 09:39.40 | ag4ve | ok, yeah assuming isolinux is on that iso |
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| 09:39.43 | niels1 | |johnny|, no, dd it to the complete stick. if it's /dev/sdb, dd it to /dev/sdb |
| 09:39.45 | |johnny| | sdb is USB so I am guessing sdb1 is the partition its burning to |
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| 09:40.03 | ag4ve | heh missed that |
| 09:40.03 | |johnny| | ahh ok niels1 |
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| 09:40.08 | bitonic | is there a way to remove evolution, empathy etc without having them tear down the whole of gnome? |
| 09:40.10 | |johnny| | I'll do sdb then |
| 09:40.58 | niels1 | |johnny|, it won't be able to boot otherwise, unless you already have some other booting mechanisms preinstalled on the stick |
| 09:41.29 | |johnny| | ahh well ok thats what I did |
| 09:41.36 | |johnny| | I'll reboot and try setting to USB boot |
| 09:41.38 | niels1 | |johnny|, oh, and make sure you unmount anything that's related to the stick (which might have been automounted) before trying to dd to it |
| 09:41.50 | |johnny| | oh er crap |
| 09:41.58 | |johnny| | Yeah the drive was mounted |
| 09:42.11 | |johnny| | Should I format and do it again to be on the safe side? |
| 09:42.28 | niels1 | |johnny|, well, try to unmount it first. sync, and then you can dd again |
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| 09:42.43 | |johnny| | ok |
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| 09:45.26 | |johnny| | niels1: I typed the command again but it went very fast. |
| 09:45.30 | |johnny| | Last time it waited a bit |
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| 09:46.11 | |johnny| | I'll try rebooting. we'll see what happens |
| 09:46.12 | niels1 | |johnny|, the dd command? does syncing go fast, too? |
| 09:46.21 | niels1 | |johnny|, don't forget to sync |
| 09:46.22 | ag4ve | cp diskimage.iso > /dev/stick should work for you |
| 09:46.39 | |johnny| | Oh crap yeah I need to sync. Whats the command for that? |
| 09:46.46 | niels1 | |johnny|, "sync" |
| 09:46.50 | |johnny| | ok |
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| 09:48.31 | ed8 | thanks ectospasm |
| 09:48.39 | |johnny| | ok there we are |
| 09:48.44 | |johnny| | Now i'll give it a go :) |
| 09:48.46 | |johnny| | brb |
| 09:48.51 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 09:49.25 | HSorgYves | how can i print the running configuration of amavisd-new (like postconf does)? |
| 09:49.26 | ectospasm | ed8: djou get it? |
| 09:49.43 | FGH` | how should i do an install of mod_pagespeed ? |
| 09:49.59 | r4co0n | Thank you, ChrisH. But apparently all my usb ports on my netbook are run over the same bus, so I have to additionally use some other filtering |
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| 09:51.44 | tryy3|Coding | why wont the command service work like ´service danted start´? |
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| 09:51.54 | FGH` | if i wanne install mod_pagespeed |
| 09:52.00 | FGH` | how do i know if i need x64 of 32 ? |
| 09:52.56 | FGH` | anyone? |
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| 09:54.12 | ksk | FGH`: what? |
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| 09:54.33 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: already running? |
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| 09:54.47 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 09:55.04 | ws2k3 | how do i know if i need to install x32 or x63 mod_pagespeed ? |
| 09:55.06 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz it says ´bash: service: command not found´ |
| 09:55.21 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: yes service is optionnal. then use /etc/init.d/danted start |
| 09:55.36 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz oh ok |
| 09:56.10 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: er wait no, its not optionnal. so that's strange |
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| 09:56.33 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz :S |
| 09:57.03 | frikinz | Maybe you installed one of its conflicts: Conflicts: chkconfig (<< 11.0-79.1-2), last, sysvconfig |
| 09:57.23 | sephii | I tried to reinstall, nothing to do, the bios doesn't want to boot. any clue? the laptop is a an hp elitebook 6930p |
| 09:57.46 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz how can i check? |
| 09:58.13 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: apt-cache policy sysvinit-utils |
| 09:58.39 | themill | ws2k3: the question doesn't make any sense. You may as well ask "what colour is tuesday" |
| 09:58.55 | NiLon | themill yellow |
| 09:59.00 | zetheroo | I just installed Debian Wheezy freshly on a VM and am now trying to install xserver-xorg however it's asking for a CD instead of getting it off the net... |
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| 10:01.13 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz http://paste.debian.net/201002/ |
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| 10:01.35 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: /usr/sbin/service |
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| 10:02.00 | |johnny| | Ok won't recognize the hard drive. I get all the way to the part when its supposed to partition the drives and it only sees the USB stick and tries to install Debian onto that. |
| 10:02.13 | ed8 | ectospasm: yep working |
| 10:02.25 | ectospasm | ed8: cool! |
| 10:02.41 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz ´Usage: service < option > | --status-all | [ service_name [ command | --full-restart ] ]´ |
| 10:02.42 | ed8 | Does the tomcat6-user package available on other distro or a Debian-only ? |
| 10:02.43 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: if this works, then your path is not ok which probably is because you don't change to root properly |
| 10:03.38 | niels2 | |johnny|, okay, try IDE then ;) i'm sorry that AHCI didn't work out. i use it on all my boxes where i can set it and have only had positive experiences |
| 10:03.50 | |johnny| | Theres one last thing I can try which I tried before but with the incorrect BIOS settings. That is since the hard drive is already empty, to throw the installation onto that. |
| 10:04.11 | niels2 | |johnny|, i'm off to lunch break now |
| 10:04.21 | |johnny| | ok niels2 have fun and thank you |
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| 10:04.42 | frikinz | yep, hungry here too |
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| 10:16.32 | martxel | hi |
| 10:16.44 | judezhan | ls |
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| 10:20.47 | boudiccas | hpw can i change the ownership of /media/backup please, from root:user to user:user? maybe that explains why i can only backup as root now? |
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| 10:27.15 | Mp5shooter | boudiccas: sudo chown user:user /media/backup |
| 10:29.10 | boudiccas | thanks, just done it |
| 10:29.27 | Mp5shooter | np |
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| 10:32.10 | ectospasm | why is jidgo so broken? |
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| 10:34.56 | frikinz | what's the advantage of jidgo compared to torrent? |
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| 10:36.28 | jelly-home | frikinz: any mirror can be used as a source |
| 10:36.43 | jelly-home | (if you mean jigdo) |
| 10:37.25 | frikinz | jelly-home: err yes jigdo. ok makes sense |
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| 10:39.27 | frikinz | jelly-home: last time I think you were talking about a raid1 setup you had and a member was remote. Was it you? If yes, how did you do for the "remote member" ? |
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| 10:43.09 | jelly-home | used nbd to a second machine where the member gets connected to every now and then |
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| 10:44.14 | jelly-home | mostly because connecting via eSATA was physically problematic |
| 10:46.29 | frikinz | ok never used nbd, will have a look. When its disconnected, the raid gets "degraded" right? So later when you want to re-add the removed member, you have to stop the raid (meaning unmounting upper layers), readd and start? I've this problem that I can't re-add unless I stop/start the md |
| 10:47.20 | frikinz | which is, after discussion in #linux-raid, probably a bug |
| 10:47.22 | jelly-home | degraded - yes; stop - no |
| 10:47.39 | jelly-home | it works as expected here |
| 10:48.04 | niels2 | frikinz, no, you don't need to stop it. you have to properly fail and remove drive from the array when it goes away, so the place gets free and will be reoccupied as soon as it is readded |
| 10:48.09 | jelly-home | I usually do explicitely --fail and --remove the member before unplugging |
| 10:48.33 | frikinz | hummmmmmm could you do me a favor and give me your kernel version and mdadm version? I actually saw some git commits a few days ago but they are not yet in kernel.org |
| 10:49.06 | jelly-home | this has worked since at least 2.6.38 I think |
| 10:49.17 | frikinz | ok and if the use case is "network problem", no time to set it fail. |
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| 10:49.49 | niels2 | frikinz, you can remove it later anyway. there's something in the mdadm manpage for that |
| 10:49.58 | jelly-home | frikinz: mdadm is at 3.2.5-3 |
| 10:50.01 | frikinz | The kernel is not releasing the removed member in kernels I've tried |
| 10:50.49 | frikinz | re-add gives a cryptic message "not possible to re-add member /dev/sdXX" |
| 10:51.34 | niels2 | frikinz, if the drive goes away before you could fail it manually, you can remote it with something along the lines of "mdadm /dev/md0 --remove detached" |
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| 10:53.08 | frikinz | Yes, tried exactly that, I get a "device busy" |
| 10:53.52 | niels2 | hmm |
| 10:54.12 | frikinz | anyway an unplug , replug should work without any thing right? |
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| 10:54.23 | frikinz | which clearly doesn't work on several setups |
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| 10:54.30 | frikinz | (my setups) |
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| 10:55.01 | ag4ve | is there a metapackage for the latest kernel and headers? |
| 10:55.42 | frikinz | niels2 and jelly-home : thanks for sharing your results |
| 10:55.55 | niels2 | well, no, i don't think that should work. just unplugging leaves the drive in the /dev/md0 setup. it must be at least failed (and also removed, if the device name stays the same) |
| 10:57.02 | frikinz | but the uuid of member and superblock should be sufficient to detect that the reppluged disk is the one that was removed? |
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| 10:57.35 | niels2 | theoretically, yes, but it would still be in an inconsistent state then. it would have to be rebuilt anyway |
| 10:57.40 | frikinz | ag4ve: linux-image |
| 10:57.51 | niels2 | i don't think it will do the magic you want from it |
| 10:58.35 | niels2 | as soon as some failure or removal is going on, you don't get away without touching mdadm |
| 10:59.50 | frikinz | I wonder why stopping, starting makes a re-add possible |
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| 11:00.17 | jelly-home | frikinz: did the kernel release the disconnected /dev/sdx ? |
| 11:00.34 | niels2 | frikinz, because then the failed and detached entries disappear |
| 11:00.34 | frikinz | jelly-home: only when the raid is stopped. |
| 11:00.50 | niels2 | frikinz, or at least i think so |
| 11:01.26 | frikinz | I think the kernel still tries to do some IO on the disconnected disk |
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| 11:01.35 | jelly-home | frikinz: does echo 1 > /sys/block/sdx/device/delete help it release it even tho it's not removed from md? |
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| 11:02.40 | frikinz | wait, it shows as REMOVED in mdadm -D as soon as its unplugged. But when replugging, it takes the next /dev/sdX name (as the old one is still somehow locked) |
| 11:02.49 | frikinz | jelly-home: I could try that yes |
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| 11:03.16 | niels2 | frikinz, yes, that's what i meant, you have to remove the removed drive from the /dev/md0 information |
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| 11:04.34 | frikinz | niels2: understood yes. I prefered to stop/start the md but will try that when I get back to the machine. |
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| 11:04.42 | frikinz | overall, mdadm is a bit lacking documentation |
| 11:04.45 | niels2 | frikinz, readding cannot work as long as _something_ is still occupying place #1 or place #2 of your raid 1. even if that something is a failed or detached entry |
| 11:05.25 | frikinz | I find this inconsistent |
| 11:06.02 | frikinz | or at least it should allow me to reintegrate the disk I just unplugged |
| 11:06.05 | niels2 | it might sound strange for your case, but it's good that it doesn't any guesswork, because it might get in wrong in many other cases |
| 11:06.22 | niels2 | *get it |
| 11:06.37 | niels2 | *doesn't do |
| 11:06.42 | frikinz | got it :) |
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| 11:08.05 | niels2 | just remember to vacate that place, preferable before you remove the drive, but if it can't be done, do it after it's removed |
| 11:08.26 | niels2 | then readding the drive (or a different one) should just work |
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| 11:10.00 | jelly-home | also: an external bitmap apparently makes --re-add much faster |
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| 11:11.07 | frikinz | I do have a write-intent bitmap but not external .. yet |
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| 11:13.25 | ag4ve | frikinz: linux-image seems to tell me what's out there, but how do i automatically install the latest? |
| 11:16.15 | frikinz | "the latest" ? the latest is in experimental and is 3.5. It could pull some other things from unstable or experimental so you have to take care |
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| 11:17.43 | jelly-home | ag4ve: linux-image-amd64 (or a different flavor) will install the latest for your release |
| 11:18.10 | jelly-home | likewise for linux-headers-amd64 |
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| 11:22.20 | sfsf32 | release the next stable quick! I need it |
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| 11:24.01 | niels2 | sfsf32, you "just" have to fix all remaining release-critical bugs, then it can be released |
| 11:24.36 | sfsf32 | i can't |
| 11:25.00 | themill | sfsf32: well there you go then... |
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| 11:25.53 | Bartzy | Can I remove a init.d script but keep it removed even after an upgrade ? |
| 11:26.19 | themill | Bartzy: update-rc.d foo disable |
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| 11:27.19 | Mr_Smile | evil-man: 0/ hi man :D |
| 11:27.20 | Bartzy | disable is..? |
| 11:27.32 | ag4ve | jelly-home: ah cool. that worked |
| 11:29.03 | Bartzy | themill: From the manpage: |
| 11:29.06 | Bartzy | A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will "disable" the service, i.e., that this will prevent the service from being started. However, if all |
| 11:29.06 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.06 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.06 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.14 | Bartzy | Sorry. Thought it will be one line. |
| 11:29.18 | ag4ve | hummm, there is no linux-headers-686 package for stable... |
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| 11:29.20 | Bartzy | Bad copying |
| 11:29.34 | Bartzy | themill: The manpage says you need to 'stop' all runlevels and not 'disable'.. ? |
| 11:29.57 | ag4ve | there's linux-headers-686-pae on testing/unstable but nothing on stable for headers like that... |
| 11:30.06 | themill | Bartzy: check what "disable" does |
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| 11:30.36 | Bartzy | themill: From which version disable is available ? |
| 11:31.19 | themill | it's in all supported versions of debian... |
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| 11:31.27 | Bartzy | ah, thanks |
| 11:31.33 | Bartzy | supported = squeeze and onwards ? |
| 11:31.35 | tictacbum | Bartzy: read "DISABLING INIT SCRIPT START LINKS" section |
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| 11:32.09 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, is there some tool that logs specific app's traffic and downloaded files? (like it logs for example 2012-10-16 12:00 http://www.google.com) |
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| 11:33.33 | Bartzy | thank you all |
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| 11:43.55 | DarkKnightCZ | noone knows? |
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| 11:49.24 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: That tool is called proxy |
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| 11:50.21 | DarkKnightCZ | ChrisH: yeeah, but only for those programs that allows proxy settings :) |
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| 11:50.53 | tictacbum | DarkKnightCZ: tcpdump / tshark |
| 11:51.10 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: Then you might need a firewall with sophisticated logging options |
| 11:52.31 | DarkKnightCZ | or wireshark... there really isnt any tool for specific app? something like scannet -r "./app" |
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| 11:54.06 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: none I am aware of. But what is your goal, maybe there is another way to do it. |
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| 11:55.57 | DarkKnightCZ | one app is downloading some files from specific server... that server doesnt have list directories allowed and i need to figure out folder structure |
| 11:56.17 | DarkKnightCZ | afaik i could use wireshark, but its too monstrous |
| 11:58.30 | niels3 | well, yes, you can use anything that does deep packet inspection. wireshark does, tcpdump does |
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| 12:00.01 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: transparent proxy using iptables? |
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| 12:02.30 | DarkKnightCZ | hmm, that could work, but since i have one server with squid3 proxy, wouldnt that be better? |
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| 12:03.19 | frikinz | niels3: about this raid1 thing and hot un/re plug, how do you set failed or remove a member which doesn't anymore exist in /dev ? |
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| 12:03.33 | frikinz | niels3: ah wait :) detached |
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| 12:03.45 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: Thats what I suggested... on your default GW use iptables to redirect that traffic onto your proxy |
| 12:03.47 | niels3 | frikinz, yup |
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| 12:04.31 | Brigo | dzup: strace may be |
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| 12:05.03 | DarkKnightCZ | ChrisH: yeah... i've found simplier solution, since that app is in java, i can use http.proxyHost to set it only for that app, thanks |
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| 12:05.17 | frikinz | niels3: effectively setting to fail+removed the detached and re adding add works. I must have done something wrong. Ok so it's not like a hw raid where an unplug replug is transparent. not a big deal |
| 12:05.50 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: my initial answer. :) |
| 12:05.53 | dzup | Brigo, come again? |
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| 12:06.19 | Brigo | sorry i didnt see it. |
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| 12:08.37 | niels4 | frikinz, well, yeah, the hardware raid actually knows what you want, since by plugging something into it, it can only mean you want it added ;) it's not as easy as that for mdadm. there are a lot of drives on the system, and it cannot know if you want a drive that you plug in added to the array or not. even if it happens to have the same UUID, it's still a guess and could be worng |
| 12:14.13 | niels4 | frikinz, if you really want it, you could probably write some script/daemon that listens for added devices (or gets called by udev, or is run regularly via crontab) and does all that magic for you |
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| 12:18.51 | ag4ve | this is my multistrap.conf and every time i try to install linux-image-686 or linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 or any other kernel (it seems), it tells me it can't find the package: http://pastebin.ca/2246214 |
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| 12:21.33 | ag4ve | meh, i think i just found it (after 30+ minutes of banging my head) - arch=amd64 and i try to install an i686 kernel... right |
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| 12:22.34 | MarkG | Hi, I am trying to move my /var/cache/apt directory as it's filling up my flash on my embedded device. However something is stopping me moving it, I get an device or resource busy error. lsof and fuser don't show anything |
| 12:23.58 | frikinz | niels4: yes, its was already on my todo list to do the udev rules. As I thought I have to go to a stop/start .. this couldn't fit in a udev (well, the unmounting) but now I will do these |
| 12:24.41 | frikinz | for the rest, the device mapper is just amazing. stacking layers |
| 12:25.01 | niels4 | yes, it's really nice for all kinds of purposes |
| 12:25.50 | ChrisH | How do I stop chromium from open a new tab right to the previous instead of putting it to the right end? about:config does not work as in firefox/iceweasel. googleing did not help me |
| 12:26.27 | paul0 | can't find any package named nspluginwrapper |
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| 12:26.51 | paul0 | but it is listed here, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nspluginwrapper |
| 12:27.13 | frikinz | ChrisH: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/new-tabs-at-end/bgogjfbkjgjhonhikkkflpkgpcpfljoa ? |
| 12:27.16 | ChrisH | Next chromium question: Why can't I copy-and-paste using the middle mouse button. |
| 12:27.18 | streuner_ | judd, info ndiswrapper |
| 12:27.19 | judd | No package named 'ndiswrapper' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 12:27.45 | streuner_ | frikinz: i guess you mean ndiswrapper? |
| 12:27.50 | ChrisH | ,v nspluginwrapper |
| 12:27.51 | judd | No package named 'nspluginwrapper' was found in i386. |
| 12:28.11 | ChrisH | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nspluginwrapper shows it for amd64 only |
| 12:28.22 | oo_miguel | Is the number of write requests / second a potential bottleneck? |
| 12:28.22 | Gagarin | Hi, I have problems with sound. The module is loaded, the card is listed in /proc, but alsa does not seem to find it. http://paste.debian.net/201025/ |
| 12:28.23 | paul0 | hm, I'm using amd64 |
| 12:28.34 | paul0 | weird |
| 12:28.44 | ChrisH | frikinz: I need an extra application for such a simple action? |
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| 12:29.06 | frikinz | ChrisH: no idea, I'm not using chrome |
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| 12:29.34 | paul0 | ChrisH: something is wrong here, flash works with iceweasel/midori, but not with epiphany |
| 12:29.58 | abrotman | judd: versions nspluginwrapper --arch amd64 |
| 12:29.59 | judd | Package: nspluginwrapper on amd64 -- lenny/contrib: 0.9.91.5-2; squeeze/contrib: 1.3.0-1 |
| 12:30.05 | abrotman | it was removed some time ago |
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| 12:30.06 | frikinz | flash working is indeed strange |
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| 12:30.17 | ChrisH | frikinz: anyhow it works.. thanks. |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | paul0: epiphany is gtk3, flash is not |
| 12:30.33 | paul0 | that's bad |
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| 12:30.42 | abrotman | paul0: complain to Adobe, i'm sure they care |
| 12:30.58 | paul0 | I don't like them, but... you know, we need it to see videos |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | so use another browser perhaps? |
| 12:31.14 | abrotman | or try gnash or lightspark |
| 12:31.18 | paul0 | no, I don't want to see cat videos, just want to continue with udacity classes :) |
| 12:31.33 | abrotman | or try gnash or lightspark |
| 12:31.36 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions compiz |
| 12:31.37 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 12:31.44 | paul0 | hm, youtube works with gnash? |
| 12:31.48 | [TheFlash] | why isn't compiz available on wheezy? |
| 12:32.11 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: RC bug, it's buggy, shouldn't release with wheezy |
| 12:32.45 | [TheFlash] | i guess i'll just stick with squeeze forever then |
| 12:32.56 | linux-fox | i don't like gnome3 |
| 12:33.07 | linux-fox | so ,i still use gnome2 as my desktop |
| 12:33.30 | [TheFlash] | so wheezy has gnome 3? |
| 12:33.46 | ectospasm | linux-fox: you could always come to XFCE4... |
| 12:33.51 | paul0 | abrotman: is this lightspark better than gnash? Don't have experience with gnash |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:34.01 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: that's unrealistic |
| 12:34.10 | abrotman | and yes, wheezy will have gnome3 |
| 12:34.29 | Chousuke | I wonder what exactly it is about gnome that people tend to dislike |
| 12:34.34 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i guess i could use xfce4 and compile compiz myself on wheezy, right? |
| 12:34.35 | Chousuke | I find it plainly superior to gnome2 |
| 12:34.41 | abrotman | i haven't a clue, gnome3 works really well IMO |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: you can also use XPDE if you really want, you can do anything you like |
| 12:34.57 | Chousuke | the first versions were pretty meh, but 3.4 and especially 3.6 are getting really good. |
| 12:35.16 | abrotman | even 3.2 was fine |
| 12:35.26 | ectospasm | Last I used GNOME3 (Classic + XMonad), it was a pain to configure... dconf-editor wasn't even searchable! |
| 12:35.28 | abrotman | 3.0 was a bit buggy |
| 12:35.28 | ectospasm | ...at least on sid |
| 12:35.29 | linux-fox | i am going to learn python , which editor or ide should i use? |
| 12:35.38 | abrotman | linux-fox: vim |
| 12:36.02 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: i'm just saying it would be better if it was in the repository |
| 12:36.09 | linux-fox | how does vim support python ? |
| 12:36.10 | Gagarin | seriously, use gedit to start. if you feel that's not enough learn emacs or vim |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | linux-fox: sure |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: i'm sure it would, but that won't stop it from being buggy and not fit for release :) |
| 12:36.37 | Chousuke | I agree with Gagarin |
| 12:36.38 | linux-fox | syntax highlight , auto-complete ... |
| 12:37.16 | abrotman | always felt like auto-complete was cheating |
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| 12:37.33 | paul0 | lol |
| 12:37.35 | Chousuke | learning vim or emacs requires an investment, really. it pays off eventually though |
| 12:37.36 | CissWit | linux-fox: which ever you prefer, vim is nice, emacs is nice, sublime text is nice and popular but not free, gedit is nice, kate is nice, etc |
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| 12:37.40 | paul0 | can't live without auto complete |
| 12:37.52 | Chousuke | I use both vim and emacs :P |
| 12:37.55 | abrotman | there's a python IDE but i can't recall the name |
| 12:37.59 | [TheFlash] | linux-fox: try running "vimtutor" in the terminal |
| 12:38.03 | Chousuke | vim usually for simpler text editing |
| 12:38.07 | Chousuke | emacs for bigger things |
| 12:38.19 | [TheFlash] | linux-fox: it can help you learn how to use vim, if you don't already know |
| 12:38.46 | paul0 | you can use emacs as an irc client |
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| 12:38.56 | Chousuke | :P |
| 12:38.58 | tim_flatus | linux-fox: IDLE |
| 12:38.59 | abrotman | but why would you ... |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | tim_flatus: thank you, that's the one i couldn't remember |
| 12:39.26 | tim_flatus | abrotman: np |
| 12:39.28 | Chousuke | you could configure your X session to consist of only emacs and not miss any functionality |
| 12:39.35 | Chousuke | I think you can even run a browser within emacs |
| 12:39.58 | paul0 | yes, but it doesn't support flash |
| 12:40.02 | paul0 | no cat videos |
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| 12:40.08 | abrotman | paul0: neither does your GUI browser ... |
| 12:40.13 | Chousuke | youtube works with html5 :P |
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| 12:40.17 | paul0 | haa, that's right |
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| 12:40.30 | paul0 | we could have something like emacs-session |
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| 12:40.56 | Chousuke | the lack of multithreading might get annoying though |
| 12:43.14 | tim_flatus | Frankly both vim and emacs have a learning curve, which is really annoying if all you want to learn is python. Any editor with syntax highlighting will do. |
| 12:43.40 | tim_flatus | Anyway the fox has bolted. |
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| 12:45.00 | niels4 | debian has quite a number of python-aware editors and IDEs, so there shouldn't be a lack of choice ;) |
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| 12:47.02 | Gagarin | acording to this page http://alsa.opensrc.org/Proc_asound_documentation /proc/asound/cards list all cards *alsa* knows |
| 12:47.04 | paul0 | great, this lightspark does the job |
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| 12:47.45 | Gagarin | but my aplay -l does not list any cards, but /prc/asound/cards does, so what is wrong? |
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| 12:48.19 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: your alsa config? |
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| 12:50.30 | Gagarin | I think i don't have any (no /etc/asound.conf and no ~/.asoundrc) I was told i would not need them |
| 12:50.40 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: check /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 12:50.52 | tim_flatus | and the corresponding blacklist |
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| 12:52.32 | Gagarin | http://paste.debian.net/201032/ |
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| 12:52.44 | Gagarin | I think it's the default config |
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| 12:53.40 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: didn't see your original question. That does look a bit weird. |
| 12:54.02 | [TheFlash] | i just read about bug #677864 and it looks like compiz doesn't actually have any bug, it's just that it doesn't have a maintainer |
| 12:54.26 | [TheFlash] | i don't think that's enough reason to completely remove it from the repository |
| 12:55.23 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: are you offering to maintain it? |
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| 12:56.10 | tictacbum | I think it's a quite serious bug ^^ |
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| 12:57.04 | themill | [TheFlash]: 4 RC bugs and 10 important bugs isn't just "it needs a maintainer". |
| 12:57.12 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: are you in the audio group? |
| 12:57.19 | abrotman | more like, no one should ever use it, everer! |
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| 12:57.45 | tim_flatus | I mean you should be if this is all default config |
| 12:58.02 | [TheFlash] | themill: i guess i don't have enough information then, i haven't noticed any problem with compiz |
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| 12:59.14 | SabreWolfy | Question --> I am running a Debian Wheezy netinstall. apt.sources includes "wheezy". If I want to stay on "testing" can I safely change these entries to "testing" ... ? |
| 12:59.38 | themill | SabreWolfy: if you have to ask, you'd be better off with "wheezy" there |
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| 12:59.57 | SabreWolfy | themill: no, not the answer I need. unhelpful. |
| 12:59.57 | Gagarin | Ah, it does work for root |
| 13:00.16 | themill | SabreWolfy: umm... actually, I'd say it's exactly the answer you need. |
| 13:00.20 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: then it's a permissions thing. Did you check your groups? |
| 13:00.50 | SabreWolfy | themill: whatever |
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| 13:01.05 | Gagarin | Yes, I'm in the audio group, |
| 13:01.09 | tim_flatus | ok |
| 13:01.11 | SabreWolfy | maybe someone else will help me |
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| 13:01.43 | themill | SabreWolfy: if you already knew the answer to that question, you might have a chance of surviving the mess that will hit testing when wheezy releases. Given that you don't know the answer already, you really don't want to be running testing for the first few months (year?) after release. |
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| 13:02.06 | tim_flatus | Again, it's so long since I had to configure alsa ... usually intel chips work ootb. |
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| 13:04.38 | ChrisH | Next chromium question: Why can't I copy-and-paste using the middle mouse button in forms or edit areas? This make chrome nearly useless.. again googling did not help me :( |
| 13:04.59 | Gagarin | The permissions for /dev/snd are correct, what else has to work? |
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| 13:06.02 | ChrisH | Gagarin: I did not read all, since when are you in the audio group? did you re-login to KDE/Gnome/DE ? |
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| 13:07.13 | Gagarin | the computer is headless, with a x11, atm i use mplayer to test |
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| 13:07.17 | Gagarin | *without |
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| 13:07.49 | SabreWolfy | themill: thanks. Any other patronizing remarks for me? |
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| 13:08.09 | themill | SabreWolfy: I could just tell you to rtfm if you want as well. |
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| 13:12.43 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: I can't think of anything obvious from what you've told us. If aplay works as root, it means you're almost there. :\ |
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| 13:13.54 | paul0 | gnash doesn't work for udacity, should I report using reportbug? |
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| 13:14.33 | niels4 | tim_flatus, well, maybe he just added himself to the audio group. tell him to relogin to the shell, as ChrisH suggested |
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| 13:15.17 | LinuX2half | Ok, someone explain to me why the resizing the partition cause one of my program files to disappear? |
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| 13:16.31 | LinuX2half | I was booting via usb, preparing for installation then when during resizing of the partition which is 147.1GB (min.), it gave off a generic error. |
| 13:16.48 | LinuX2half | Then they system reboots, setting up for a disk check. |
| 13:17.18 | LinuX2half | After a quick correction made by windows, one of my program file disappear, as along with a protected hard drive. |
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| 13:18.39 | niels4 | resizing an ntfs partition is never easy. it should have warned you to take a backup. you should have chkdsk'ed the partition under windows, too, before trying to resize it |
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| 13:19.55 | LinuX2half | I've perform chkdsk not long ago, there's no warning of backup. |
| 13:20.06 | LinuX2half | If there's an "undo changes to partitions", it's still useless. |
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| 13:20.45 | tim_flatus | Gagarin: ask in #lau |
| 13:20.55 | niels4 | does the debian installer offer shringing ntfs partitions at all? didn't try it recently |
| 13:21.01 | niels4 | *shrinking |
| 13:21.19 | LinuX2half | they tell me to resize the partition to 45% |
| 13:21.23 | LinuX2half | MINIMUM |
| 13:21.33 | LinuX2half | So I have no idea what they were thinking. |
| 13:21.50 | niels4 | who is they? and what did you use to resize? |
| 13:22.07 | Gagarin | I use chmod 777 the /dev/snd. I know it's ugly, on the other hand all user would be in the audio group anyway. Now, it works. Proably i just overlooked something with the permissions |
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| 13:22.18 | LinuX2half | I use the boot usb method to install. |
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| 13:23.15 | LinuX2half | The bare boned installation method, which suppose to be simple. |
| 13:23.31 | LinuX2half | I mean the way the installation was designed. |
| 13:23.53 | niels4 | LinuX2half, the squeeze installer? |
| 13:23.57 | LinuX2half | Yes. |
| 13:24.25 | LinuX2half | It absorb almost all of 147GB, left with 512KB. |
| 13:24.39 | LinuX2half | So I have no idea what was it doing when resizing the partition. |
| 13:25.07 | ratcheer | Did it use lvm? That will take all the space. |
| 13:25.16 | niels4 | well, as i said, resizing a partition is always risky. especially ntfs partitions |
| 13:25.33 | niels4 | and you didn't chkdsk immediately before the resize |
| 13:25.33 | ChrisH | shrinked an NTFS parttion using Win7 internal tools, worked very well. |
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| 13:26.43 | LinuX2half | I'm not sure why chkdsk could provide a safer route on resizing ntfs partition. |
| 13:26.45 | niels4 | ChrisH, yeah, if it lets you, that's the best method. it won't let you shrink C: tho while using the same windows that's on C: |
| 13:27.11 | ChrisH | niels4: It did allow to shrink C: ! |
| 13:27.14 | lowtax | linux wont let you shring lv-root |
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| 13:27.31 | lowtax | while using it :p |
| 13:27.45 | niels4 | LinuX2half, chkdsk checks and repairs errors, it does not resize itself. the linux resizing tools are unaware of problems of the ntfs filesystem structure. that's why a chkdsk prior to resizing via linux tools is essential |
| 13:28.01 | ChrisH | lowtax: I never shrinked any LVM till now... but extending did allways work |
| 13:28.17 | niels4 | ChrisH: interesting. would like to know how it does it for you and not for me |
| 13:28.27 | lowtax | lvm is pretty nice |
| 13:28.54 | chipotle | can someone explain to me why dotdeb's repos are looked down upon here? |
| 13:29.00 | Chousuke | LinuX2half: if you're absolutely sure that the ntfs partition is error free you can resize it, but running chkdsk beforehand is a good idea. |
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| 13:29.22 | Aha2Y | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libx/libxslt/libxslt1.1_1.1.26-6_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12 80] <- How can i solve this? D: |
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| 13:29.52 | themill | Aha2Y: "apt-get update" normally. |
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| 13:29.58 | themill | ,v libxslt1.1 |
| 13:29.59 | judd | Package: libxslt1.1 on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.24-2; squeeze: 1.1.26-6+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.1.26-6+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.1.26-6+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.26-6+squeeze2; sid: 1.1.26-14; wheezy: 1.1.26-14; experimental: 1.1.27-1 |
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| 13:30.43 | themill | Aha2Y: that version would have been replaced in the 6.0.6 point release a couple of weeks ago |
| 13:30.49 | Aha2Y | o ty. |
| 13:31.10 | themill | Aha2Y: also, you probably want the newer version from security.debian.org anyway. Do you not have a security entry in your sources.list? |
| 13:31.25 | ChrisH | niels4: I followed a procedure like this one http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/how-to-resize-partitions-in-windows-7/ |
| 13:31.29 | Aha2Y | nop |
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| 13:34.15 | niels4 | ChrisH: of course that's what i do as well, but it doesn't work for me for C:. anyway, it's off topic here ;) anyway, we should probably take it somewhere else, since it's off topic here *g* |
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| 13:34.29 | niels4 | whoops |
| 13:35.03 | niels4 | ChrisH, can i query you? |
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| 13:40.14 | LinuX2half | I'm still confused at to why the installer wanted to have an minimum of 45% OF THE TOTAL HARD DRIVE? |
| 13:41.13 | LinuX2half | Does the installer goes from the front of the hard drive to the last? |
| 13:41.42 | LinuX2half | So if my windows os is in the first line, then it must reads to the last line, so it determine its space for minimum installation? |
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| 13:50.49 | LinuX2half | Why does the Debian installer requires 147Gb MINIMUM? |
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| 13:56.45 | jelly-home | it doesn't -- it can be installed on a 60GB disk |
| 13:57.13 | LinuX2half | but why does it require 45% of my hard drive when resizing the partition? |
| 13:57.16 | Zharf | I think you mean 147MB |
| 13:57.23 | LinuX2half | No, it's 147GB |
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| 13:57.33 | jelly-home | LinuX2half: what it might do, is try to shrink the existing ntfs to the lowest possible space |
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| 13:57.47 | jelly-home | LinuX2half: is that what you're seeing? |
| 13:58.26 | LinuX2half | I'm not sure, all it says is resizing the partition, which I thought was referring to the free space of 147GB. |
| 13:58.28 | jelly-home | LinuX2half: can you show a screenshot of proposed automatic changes? |
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| 13:59.39 | LinuX2half | Sorry, but I never intended to take a screenshot. |
| 13:59.51 | LinuX2half | because the problem is not a controllable event. |
| 14:00.32 | jelly-home | demonstrating the behaviour can help fix it for the future d-i versions |
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| 14:01.14 | LinuX2half | Yeah, but I couldn't save the debug files because I can't recognized the directory. |
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| 14:01.27 | jelly-home | you don't have a camre phone or something? |
| 14:01.33 | jelly-home | camera* phone |
| 14:01.45 | LinuX2half | Yes I do. |
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| 14:02.07 | LinuX2half | Do you expect me to provide with some visual image of the actual problem? |
| 14:02.19 | jelly-home | that's what a screenshot is, yes |
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| 14:03.56 | jelly-home | in any case, the automatic choices can likely be avoided or amended in the expert installer |
| 14:04.28 | Morgawr | hey guys.. I know this is probably a very common question and this might not be the best place to ask but... has it been said when wheezy will become debian stable? |
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| 14:05.06 | abrotman | !WWWR |
| 14:05.06 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 14:05.44 | Morgawr | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 14:23.35 | collusion | In the past, when there were major events happening in the USA, eventful attacks in other countries and in international territories have happened with vague or even lack of evidences provided as to the culprits of the attacks. |
| 14:23.49 | collusion | Be on the lookout for sudden eventful attacks in your particular country and in international territories. |
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| 14:24.39 | jelly-home | collusion: ##politics is that way -> |
| 14:24.49 | collusion | Ok, thx\ |
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| 14:27.39 | duelle | Hi there, I have a vServer which should be able to send me the daily logwatch reports. Do I need to set up exim4 to do so? Unfortunately every time i set up exim4 I get a quite high system load and lots of exim4 processes in 'top'. |
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| 14:29.37 | chipotle | can someone explain to me why dotdeb repos are frowned upon here? i need php-fpm and debian 6 does not have it... |
| 14:29.38 | ChrisH | duelle: You do not need exim4 but a MTA to send mails. Your setup with exim4 sounds like you want to use satelite and send all to a providers smarthost, if there is one |
| 14:29.43 | jelly-home | duelle: if you just want all mail sent to an external address, try something like nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 14:30.30 | jelly-home | there's no need for a full-blown MTA like exim if there's no local delivery to be done or other complex setups |
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| 14:32.38 | duelle | ChrisH: jelly-home: My point is, that my reports stopped working after some updates to exim4 ..so i probably did a misconfiguration .. and now that i wanted to fix them I seem to get bruteforced or so .. cuz I get that heavy load and lots of processes... I do not need local mail - just have to send mails to my GMX-mail account |
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| 14:33.38 | jelly-home | will let someone else deal with fixing exim4 issues |
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| 14:34.15 | ChrisH | duelle: check the content of /var/spool/mqueue-client |
| 14:35.29 | ChrisH | duelle: check the content of /var/spool/mqueue-client and the exim logfiles if you want to stay with exim or move to a lightwight MTA as jelly-home suggested. |
| 14:35.58 | duelle | jelly-home: Just wanted to tell you why I started at configuring exim4.. I obviously do not need it to do what i need .. |
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| 14:37.08 | duelle | ChrisH: I think I should move to such a lightweight mta.. what can you recommend? nullmailer/ssmtp... I do not have much experience regarding mail-servers and mtas |
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| 14:37.49 | ChrisH | duelle: I cannot recommend any. I use exim4 now and sendmail in earlier days... jelly-home? |
| 14:38.11 | apm1 | how do i do a netinstall with mobile broadband ? |
| 14:38.43 | jelly-home | ChrisH: I've already written which ones I'd use. |
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| 14:39.07 | pbase | i get a "Server does not use any supported authentication method" when connecting to my gtalk account on pidgin on wheezy. is this happening with everyone? |
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| 14:39.57 | joltcan | apm1: boot from a small CD or USB and install the packages from the network? |
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| 14:40.52 | chipotle | can someone explain to me why dotdeb repos are frowned upon here? i need php-fpm and debian 6 does not have it... |
| 14:40.59 | apm1 | joltcan, boot on what ? |
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| 14:41.29 | apm1 | i am already booting via the netinstall iso from a flash drive |
| 14:41.47 | apm1 | but in the installer how do i setup mobile broadband ? |
| 14:42.19 | joltcan | apm1: Ah, sorry, I missed that part. I assume you would need some type of propraritary driver for the broadband card |
| 14:42.29 | joltcan | ...or whatever you are using to connect to the internetz |
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| 14:43.08 | apm1 | joltcan, no i will need networkmanager nothing else will work |
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| 14:44.05 | joltcan | apm1: run wvdial from another term? |
| 14:44.09 | Chelsea | Hi all, what is "the right way" to have cli programs (like nc, wget, elinks, irssi etc.) use Tor? I.e. how should I configure tor to have programs use it systemwide? |
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| 14:45.08 | joltcan | Chelsea: It's a proxy right? Maybe http://xmodulo.blogspot.se/2012/05/how-to-set-system-wide-environment.html |
| 14:45.37 | apm1 | joltcan, i never heard of wvdial |
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| 14:46.29 | joltcan | apm1: it's the one that actually helps you dial with a modem, so it seems some people has configured wvdial to use their modem and started it on another terminal to conncet to internet. Then switch back to the regular installer |
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| 14:47.35 | apm1 | joltcan, i am looking into it right now |
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| 14:48.14 | Chelsea | joltcan, that looks like it would work! thanks. |
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| 14:50.10 | apm1 | joltcan, no good http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=55398 |
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| 14:51.33 | Panuzzo | ciao |
| 14:51.36 | Panuzzo | !list |
| 14:51.37 | dpkg | panuzzo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 14:53.57 | SomeoneWeird | is it possible to convert a chroot into an iso or something? |
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| 14:54.41 | jelly-home | SomeoneWeird: with the goal of doing what with said iso? |
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| 14:55.16 | SomeoneWeird | booting it |
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| 14:56.22 | intinig | how can I do apt-get update -y --something where something tells apt-get not to ask me if I want new versions of configuration files and I just want to keep the pre-existing configuration? |
| 14:56.53 | intinig | I meant upgrade not update :) |
| 14:57.07 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know where I can get GRUB 2 template overlays? I found some here but the link doesn't work, http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/SplashImage. |
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| 14:58.30 | garo | i have two disks and i think they were used in a software raid but i am not sure |
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| 15:00.47 | MaddinXx | hello everyone. can someone recommend me either Tripwire, Integrity or Samhasin based on facts like how easy it is to config and how good it works? Samhasin seems very hard to config, but Integrity like missing lot of power (very easy config) so is tripwire the golden middle? |
| 15:00.55 | garo | i want to check this by running "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 DISK1 DISK2" |
| 15:00.55 | garo | but will mdadm cause any writing on 1 of the disks ? (i want to make sure i don't overwrite anything if they weren't used as software raid) |
| 15:00.55 | garo | s/disk/partition/ |
| 15:01.50 | ChrisH | garo: why not testing blkid /dev/disk1 /dev/disk2 |
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| 15:04.21 | themill | intinig: it's not apt that's asking that question but dpkg; you can tell it to keep old config files (confnew) but be warned that can lead to other problems... e.g. you could easily end up with a broken sudo configuration if you did that as part of squeeze->wheezy. |
| 15:04.46 | frostschutz | garo: --create writes on both disks. you want detail, scan, examine, something like that |
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| 15:05.56 | intinig | themill: thx |
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| 15:06.25 | themill | intinig: err.... "confold" obviously. see dpkg(1) and /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 15:11.20 | garo | frostschutz ChrisH : thanks |
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| 15:22.26 | apm1 | will this buid me a live image of my current install ? |
| 15:23.12 | gury | using http://http.debian.net/debian in sources list, I got a hash sum mismatch when apt updating, changing to a standard US mirror fixed the problem. Has the former mirror been broken these days? |
| 15:23.41 | themill | dpkg: tell gury about which http.debian.net |
| 15:23.54 | themill | gury: can you run that a few times and pastebin the results? |
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| 15:24.04 | gury | themill: thanks |
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| 15:25.23 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to make nfs dereference symlinks on the server/ |
| 15:25.24 | FilipeMaia | ? |
| 15:26.05 | apm1 | will this give me a live image of my current install ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283260/ |
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| 15:29.29 | gury | themill: I always get this: http://paste.debian.net/201080/ |
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| 15:33.28 | TheWarden | I have a system setup that I just went to test audio on and found out the audio is not working. Now I'm thinking it must be something I didn't do or setup that is causing the issue but not sure where to go from there as audio just works out of the box in the past. |
| 15:33.35 | TheWarden | Here is a dump of lspci -v https://gist.github.com/22c121521c2e0ddb03c0. |
| 15:33.46 | themill | gury: what files were you getting a hashsum mismatch for? |
| 15:34.00 | TheWarden | The user account I'm is apart of the audio group and volume is set to max. |
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| 15:34.50 | TheWarden | I'm running Debian Squeeze v6.0.6 i386 32-bit with gdm3 and LXDE. I may have missed something at install as I tried to do bare minimum install from what I understood but I'm not certain if I missed anything for audio setup. |
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| 15:36.58 | gury | themill: W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 15:37.06 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: The most frequent quick fix I've seen on that is to remove pulseaudio |
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| 15:38.14 | themill | gury: that mirror looks ok now. It may have been a race condition in the mirror syncing up due to it using an old version of the syncing script. |
| 15:38.18 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: How's that drive doing now? I just saw the loose cable thing - should've thought of that. |
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| 15:38.26 | TheWarden | volume is up to max, note muted and I'm a part of the audio group. I'm not aware of any daemon that should be running. I couldn't find aplay package nor is there such commmand on my system. I'm not sure what oss4 packages are to even be able to look for them. |
| 15:38.40 | jhutchins_wk | gabesubdo: I'm predisposed toward drive failure because I just had one myself. |
| 15:39.31 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: If you do not have aplay perhaps not all of alsa is installed. |
| 15:40.11 | TheWarden | I tried doing sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep audio and I'll I got back was libaudio2 and libaudiofile0. I do the same but search for sound and get esound-common and libasound2. |
| 15:40.35 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: I'm thinking not but not sure. Is that the package name alsa? |
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| 15:41.03 | apm1 | does a netinstall image have apt tools ? |
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| 15:41.38 | gury | themill: I resetup the mirror redirector in the sources.list and there appears no error now |
| 15:41.48 | themill | apm1: the netinstall has everything needed to complete a basic installation. apt is part of that. |
| 15:42.37 | apm1 | themill,ok thanks :) |
| 15:42.52 | themill | gury: yeah, you could prod the admin of debian.morphium.info to update their version of ftpsync |
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| 15:44.04 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Come on, surely you know how to find a package list by now? apt-file to find the specific bin? |
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| 15:46.26 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: yes of course, I'm not aware of what package I require to get audio. For instance how do you know to install alsa? I really know very little about the linux audio system. |
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| 15:47.16 | vwq | Ħełłø, ł→łł Ðe”→æn ¶e¢øŋn→ße µ← ŋ¶æþħ→¢ß ¢æ¶ð? |
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| 15:48.42 | thenutbuster | what |
| 15:48.49 | themill | vwq: once more in ascii? |
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| 15:49.01 | jelly-home | weird encoding and/or weird language |
| 15:49.03 | thenutbuster | #flood |
| 15:49.09 | thenutbuster | hackingi the servers now |
| 15:49.15 | thenutbuster | * hacking |
| 15:49.17 | abrotman | not likely |
| 15:49.18 | vwq | łħæŧ ŧħe đ↓¢ĸ |
| 15:49.23 | thenutbuster | What? |
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| 15:49.27 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 15:49.28 | thenutbuster | STFU |
| 15:49.32 | abrotman | vwq: please speak english here |
| 15:49.34 | themill | thenutbuster: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
| 15:49.39 | abrotman | thenutbuster: do you need help? |
| 15:49.42 | jelly-home | quite thenutbuster while you're at it! |
| 15:49.49 | abrotman | quiet? |
| 15:49.52 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 15:49.56 | jelly-home | quite. |
| 15:50.07 | Armand | one more time ? |
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| 15:50.31 | thenutbuster | Oh yeah lol sorry i was writing in a wrong channel. Anyways, Is it possible to downgrade my UBuntu 10.1 to 9.04? |
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| 15:50.44 | jelly-home | thanks! |
| 15:50.45 | abrotman | thenutbuster: go to #ubuntu, thanks |
| 15:51.53 | jelly-home | trolling in pairs must be fun |
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| 15:53.08 | abrotman | i think vwq was legit, but says he has a non-english keyboard .. his ban will expire in a few minutes |
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| 15:54.43 | themill | stuck down alt+gr by the looks of it |
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| 16:03.05 | confusid | Could Mutt be used to show not only local mail but pull mail from a server and show all of them? |
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| 16:03.43 | ed8 | I'm looking for hints to implement ARK links (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archival_Resource_Key) on a web application. Does anyone know about that ? |
| 16:03.48 | weeb1e | I am still really confused by debians load average |
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| 16:04.18 | weeb1e | It seems like this box starts at like 0.05 load average and goes down to 0.00 with 3x the load |
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| 16:04.49 | weeb1e | Yet when I run "stress", I can get it to load the 16 cores fully and the load average does actually go up to 16 |
| 16:05.04 | weeb1e | So I really don't understand why it is so inaccurate with just some load |
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| 16:06.20 | ChrisH | weeb1e: what is your question? 1. Do you know how load (from uptime) is defined? 2. what would you expect to see? a value diveded by the number of CPUs as HPUX does? |
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| 16:07.42 | weeb1e | ChrisH: I expect the same load average as all my other linux servers (ubuntu) display, 1 for each core that is fully loaded, but at this point I can only assume the latest kernel (3.2.0) calculates a low load very differently to a high load |
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| 16:08.26 | weeb1e | Last night when services were no longer in use, I ran "stress" telling it to use 16 cores, and it loaded all 16 physical cores until the load average went just over 16 |
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| 16:09.34 | weeb1e | Yet right now there are 3 processes using 30 - 40% CPU and many others using less, which in total uses near ormore than a core of load (split over multiple cores) and the load average is 0.00 - 0.04 |
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| 16:10.03 | weeb1e | This cannot be right |
| 16:10.10 | ChrisH | weeb1e: can you pastebin that? |
| 16:10.27 | weeb1e | ChrisH: What would you like me to paste? I am monitoring this using htop |
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| 16:10.51 | themill | weeb1e: is it the same 3 processes or is different ones each time you see the output? |
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| 16:11.12 | weeb1e | themill: These are processes that are being used by uses, which are using CPU and IO |
| 16:11.35 | weeb1e | They are the 3 that are in use, and the rest that have no connected users but are still doing some things |
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| 16:11.42 | themill | that's actually an answer to a different question |
| 16:11.43 | weeb1e | The point is the load average is incorrect |
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| 16:12.18 | ChrisH | weeb1e: just show us a top output to get an idea of what you are seeing |
| 16:12.23 | weeb1e | I run these identical processes on another large box running ubuntu, and the load average shown by the kernel is far higher |
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| 16:15.17 | weeb1e | ChrisH and themill -- http://pastebin.com/kvJVtJMR |
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| 16:15.45 | drigolli2r | hi all |
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| 16:16.03 | themill | weeb1e: and is it still processes 1096 35011 1175 and 1091 on cpu now? |
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| 16:16.44 | weeb1e | themill: These are processes spawned by my own software (the last ruby running as root), they only stop when my software stops them |
| 16:16.52 | weeb1e | So yes, they are still running and users are still connected to them |
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| 16:18.02 | weeb1e | and they have been running for hours, to be clear |
| 16:18.13 | ChrisH | weeb1e: ACK, this should look different. my 3.2.0-2-amd64 looks more reasonable |
| 16:18.45 | weeb1e | I am running 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
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| 16:19.02 | nsadmin | and whats the uname -r on the ubuntu box? |
| 16:19.19 | weeb1e | Changing the kernel at this point is not very easy and far from ideal, since I would have to get a technican to go to the data center in another city and do it |
| 16:19.40 | weeb1e | nsadmin: 3.0.0-21-server |
| 16:19.56 | nsadmin | ok, thanks |
| 16:20.21 | weeb1e | right now the load average on this debian box is 0.00, which is clearly impossible |
| 16:20.44 | nsadmin | weeb1e, sounds like you don't have access to install stuff |
| 16:20.53 | Mogget | I realize this is implementation specific but maybe someone knows. When you look up a hostname in dns, how long does the kernel hold on to the IP address before asking for a confirmation that the hostname and ip address is still the same? |
| 16:20.55 | ChrisH | weeb1e: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20120/iceweasel-11-chewing-up-my-cpu/ the otherway round |
| 16:21.28 | nsadmin | the kernel doesn't hold at all... the dns server might |
| 16:21.28 | weeb1e | nsadmin: What on earth do you mean? I am the only one with the root password (or any password) to this box... |
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| 16:21.31 | themill | Mogget: the kernel does no dns caching at all. You can install a local dns cache if you want |
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| 16:22.16 | Mogget | themill, nsadmin: So if I am pulling SNMP using a hostname the IP will be looked up every single time I connect using the hostname? |
| 16:22.21 | avernos | debian, if i want my user not to have a password, what should i write on shadow? |
| 16:22.21 | Mogget | It will not be cached anywhere? |
| 16:22.33 | abrotman | it can be if you install a caching daemon |
| 16:22.40 | weeb1e | nsadmin: I would simply not feel comfortable changing the kernel over SSH on a box located in a corporate data center in another city |
| 16:22.47 | abrotman | avernos: no password, or no access? |
| 16:22.48 | avernos | just live it something like user:: |
| 16:22.51 | avernos | no password |
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| 16:23.04 | nsadmin | weeb1e, I can understand that |
| 16:23.42 | weeb1e | But from what I can tell, it definitely looks like an issue with this kernel |
| 16:23.45 | avernos | ? |
| 16:23.50 | weeb1e | I don't think it could be anything else |
| 16:23.52 | frikinz | avernos: passwd -d user |
| 16:24.42 | avernos | frikinz, is it possible to clear the user password manually? or to create a user externally without password ie, from a live cd |
| 16:25.06 | nsadmin | Mogget, depending on what else is running on that box, a dns cache is actually recommended... for example, if it's a well used mail server |
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| 16:26.10 | Mogget | nsadmin: the machine this will be running on is a network monitoring machine. Makes statistics over performance and throughput in all parts of the network. |
| 16:26.31 | frikinz | avernos: yes, set the second field of /etc/passwd to nothing ie user:: |
| 16:26.42 | nsadmin | does the monitoring software do reverse lookups? |
| 16:26.46 | avernos | thanks frikinz |
| 16:26.51 | Mogget | nsadmin: I will suggest it for the sys-admins and see if they have experience with anything like that. |
| 16:27.30 | nsadmin | Mogget, have you seen what the monitoring software generates? |
| 16:27.57 | Mogget | nsadmin: the end result as in graphs or the packets its sending on the network? |
| 16:28.10 | nsadmin | yes |
| 16:28.37 | Mogget | its a combination of spectrum, sflow and own made software to pull information from switches. |
| 16:28.52 | nsadmin | on the output, do you see domain names? |
| 16:29.32 | Mogget | yes |
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| 16:29.46 | Mogget | no, not domain names, but aliases. |
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| 16:30.07 | nsadmin | aliases? like in /etc/hosts? |
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| 16:31.04 | nsadmin | so maybe it's not doing lookups (at least not for the purpose of including them in the output) |
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| 16:32.11 | Mogget | nsadmin: No, all devices are registered in the company system and we can go in and add local aliases. |
| 16:32.12 | nsadmin | Mogget, originally, your question was about lookups and caching... do you think something on that box is doing a lot of lookups? |
| 16:32.17 | Mogget | I am pretty sure this is done through dns |
| 16:32.31 | Mogget | nsadmin: yes, my python script. :P |
| 16:32.52 | nsadmin | does it run all the time, like a daemon? |
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| 16:33.01 | Mogget | It is a heavily used machine so it might be spamming the dns. |
| 16:33.23 | nsadmin | can you verify that? |
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| 16:34.11 | Mogget | I would have to query the sys-admins, they don't give us root access on these machines normally. |
| 16:34.11 | nsadmin | (for example, in the logs of the company dns, are there a lot of lookups originated by the monitoring machine? |
| 16:34.41 | nsadmin | if it is, I'd suggest a dns cache |
| 16:34.47 | Mogget | nsadmin: we can not touch the dns. the dns it ITs domain, I only work for the research unfortunately. |
| 16:35.33 | Mogget | I might also just use static ips as these machines never change ip unless a lot of discussions are done. |
| 16:35.39 | nsadmin | you could ask them if they're noticing what they consider extra traffic from you |
| 16:35.51 | frikinz | in the script, if the ip hasn't already been queried (key of hash) do the query and store it in the hash |
| 16:36.13 | frikinz | that's what I do for offline apache logs analysis where I can't have a dns server |
| 16:36.21 | frikinz | cache dns server |
| 16:37.26 | Mogget | I will send a request to IT and ask them. I find it hard to believe they would not block us if we were spamming them though. |
| 16:37.41 | nsadmin | not a bad idea if the script runs continuously |
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| 16:38.03 | nsadmin | the one thing I'd be worried about there is ram usage |
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| 16:38.45 | Mogget | The server has 16GB of RAM and is only querying about 600 sensors so there memory usage I am not so worried about. |
| 16:39.10 | Mogget | performance is an issue though. Seems things does not want to provide info when pulling rates go under 30 seconds over time. |
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| 16:41.14 | nsadmin | Mogget, I agree, but only if you were literally spamming them... (spamming also implies intent) |
| 16:42.23 | nsadmin | I think they'd be happy to let you know whether it bothers them |
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| 16:45.44 | nsadmin | if your script were to embed something like "I am prince hulibaloo, my dad, the king just died and we need to tranfer large sum of money to an acct in your cdountry... just send small sum to ..." into the dns query packets, they'd have a problem with that :) |
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| 16:47.41 | gmaiarodrigo | hi, how do I change my DNS on Debian 6.0? |
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| 16:48.45 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: /etc/resolv.conf , dhclient will probably change this though |
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| 16:49.00 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: if you use dhcp |
| 16:49.17 | gmaiarodrigo | debian documentation recommends that no change be made in resolv.conf |
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| 16:49.40 | abrotman | are you using DHCP or static? |
| 16:50.00 | gmaiarodrigo | everything will be rewritten |
| 16:50.02 | gmaiarodrigo | static |
| 16:50.11 | abrotman | then you can use resolv.conf |
| 16:50.17 | abrotman | otherwise, man 5 interfaces |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | i vaguely recall there may be a method in that file |
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| 16:51.32 | gmaiarodrigo | no point changing the file it will be rewritten is suggesting the header |
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| 16:52.01 | abrotman | only if you use DHCP |
| 16:52.03 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: overwritten by what? Are you using a dhcp client? |
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| 16:53.22 | gmaiarodrigo | debian documentation suggested was placed in the interfaces file, but no change even after I restarted the network card |
| 16:53.32 | gmaiarodrigo | domain-serves 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:53.59 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: a line like "dns-nameservers <ip> <ip2> .." inside an iface stanza in interfaces(5) |
| 16:53.59 | gmaiarodrigo | dns-nameserves sorry |
| 16:54.00 | nsadmin | I think it's dns-domain-servers |
| 16:54.10 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 16:54.42 | nsadmin | do you have resolvconf installed? |
| 16:54.54 | nsadmin | , v resolvconf |
| 16:54.55 | judd | Package: resolvconf on i386 -- lenny: 1.42; squeeze: 1.46; wheezy: 1.67; sid: 1.68 |
| 16:55.16 | gmaiarodrigo | yes |
| 16:55.44 | nsadmin | so when your resolvconf is overwritten, does it have nameserver 8.8.8.8? |
| 16:56.12 | gmaiarodrigo | where you see it? |
| 16:56.35 | nsadmin | I don't, but what you've told me, says it should be there |
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| 16:57.02 | nsadmin | I'm just asking you to check |
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| 16:58.49 | cjdavies | wow, new kernel? |
| 16:58.57 | cjdavies | I didn't think that ever happened with debian :P |
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| 16:59.34 | nsadmin | cjdavies, hi, welcome to debian support... you had a question about debian? |
| 17:00.16 | cjdavies | I was just going to ask if the linux-image package meant that there was a new kernel, but then I saw it regenerating grub.cfg which confirmed it |
| 17:00.21 | cjdavies | guess I have to reboot now... |
| 17:00.58 | nsadmin | if you want to run a kernel different that what you're running :) |
| 17:01.17 | cjdavies | I'll probably wait until the box falls over actually ;) |
| 17:01.27 | ManoftheSea | cjdavies: kexec is a faster reboot |
| 17:01.46 | cjdavies | ManoftheSea: I have never actually tried such witchcraft |
| 17:02.07 | nsadmin | I can't help being curious as to why you're upgrading now... something not working properly? |
| 17:02.12 | cjdavies | but as this is a supermicro board the reboot does actually take a while so I suppose it might actually be a legitimate usage |
| 17:02.28 | nsadmin | whichcraft? |
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| 17:02.33 | cjdavies | nsadmin: I just stuck in apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to see if there were any new updates |
| 17:02.39 | cjdavies | kexec is witchcraft in my opinion |
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| 17:03.06 | nsadmin | cjdavies, oh, cool :) now I see |
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| 17:05.43 | nsadmin | any technology more advanced than you're used to will have you perceive it as magic... until you read and understand the source |
| 17:06.17 | cjdavies | kexec in particular seems very witchcrafty ;) |
| 17:06.17 | nsadmin | anyway. mystery solved... have fun |
| 17:06.23 | cjdavies | but I understand the purpose |
| 17:06.24 | cjdavies | thanks |
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| 17:12.55 | gele | hello. |
| 17:13.05 | nsadmin | hi |
| 17:14.00 | gmaiarodrigo | nsadmin: I really have resolvconf installed. Li and the mean guess I have to give the command "resolvconf-a eth0" after adding the line dns-nameserver in interfaces ... am I right? |
| 17:14.21 | gele | what is the recommended way of starting jack on debian? the way that the default configuration of qjackctl tries (running jackd directly) doesn't work when pulseaudio is already running, i get an error message "Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Method "RequestRelease" with signature "i" on interface "org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1" doesn't exist" |
| 17:14.39 | gele | jack_control start does work, but then i don't get the nice message log and other things in qjackctl. |
| 17:15.37 | nkuttler | has anybody noticed xcompmgr glitches on wheezy/radeon lately? i get window sized artifacts that are above everything else and can't be moved or somesuch |
| 17:16.06 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: Adding the dns-nameservers line to interfaces(0) should set resolv.conf when you or the system runs ifup eth0 |
| 17:16.16 | p8m | interfaces(5) |
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| 17:16.49 | nsadmin | gele, not sure there is a recommended way... I like qjackctl (which may require qt libs) |
| 17:17.08 | gele | nsadmin: that's what i tried, but i got the above error message. |
| 17:17.49 | gele | do i need to pause pulseaudio manually before starting jackd, or is it supposed to handle it automatically? the dbus error message makes me suspect that it should be automatic, but for some reason it doesn't work. |
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| 17:18.46 | gmaiarodrigo | p8m: I did it now and it did not work. |
| 17:19.02 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: resolv.conf was not changed? |
| 17:19.03 | gmaiarodrigo | rebooted the system and keeps the 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:19.08 | gmaiarodrigo | no |
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| 17:19.43 | fprophet | what is the proper way of removing gnome 3 and then installing xfce? |
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| 17:19.53 | fprophet | just install xfce first and then remove gnome 3? |
| 17:20.01 | jelly-home | fprophet: install xfce, use it -- there's even no need to remove gnome |
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| 17:20.23 | jelly-home | remove it after you realize you're happy with xfce |
| 17:20.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell fprophet about install xfce |
| 17:20.40 | fprophet | jelly-home: I've used xfce before. but im running low on space |
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| 17:21.01 | nsadmin | you may have to kill it off... I perceive jack to be somewhat fragile (until you get it running) and that there has been a general lack of support |
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| 17:22.11 | nsadmin | I'm not saying "don't use it" (I really like jack for many reasons) and it can be a hassle sometimes |
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| 17:23.15 | gele | yeah, "not using it" isn't really an option when i want to use some serious music software. |
| 17:23.21 | sickgut | sorry to ask the obvious but what does this mean: | jessie will be wheezy+1 | |
| 17:23.30 | nsadmin | ardour? |
| 17:23.48 | jelly-home | sickgut: the codename of the release after Debian 7 "Wheezy" |
| 17:23.48 | gele | i'll hack up a script to suspend pulseaudio before starting jackd, that'll do for now. |
| 17:23.53 | jacobw | sickgut: the release after wheezy will be called jessie |
| 17:24.01 | gele | nsadmin: for mixing, probably. not right now though. |
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| 17:24.10 | sickgut | thanks |
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| 17:25.02 | nsadmin | gele, my experience has been, once you get it started, jack is quite solid |
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| 17:26.54 | gmaiarodrigo | p8m: suggests something? |
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| 17:27.44 | p8m | gmaiarodrigo: edit resolv.conf |
| 17:27.55 | nsadmin | the hassles for me have been, getting it started, and dealling with things that can use jack and those that can't... I'm looking for solutions for what comes up and dealing. |
| 17:28.47 | nsadmin | I added a wheezy installation to compile the latest ardour3 |
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| 17:41.41 | ksuhku | fprophet, repartition |
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| 17:43.06 | nsadmin | fprophet, instead of giving / more space, add separate partitions, /home, /usr, /var |
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| 17:43.40 | fprophet | I used the guided partitioning thing when I installed debian, and had it do that |
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| 17:43.51 | ksuhku | fprophet, e.g. with http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 17:44.31 | nsadmin | you could repeat the install and you could set things up, or you could make new partitions and copy the right stuff to them |
| 17:45.08 | fprophet | nsadmin: I'm very new to linux, that sounds like something I would be good at messing up |
| 17:45.11 | wilee-nilee | fprophet, If you really need just xfce look here, this is a great site for removing whole desktops correctly. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu |
| 17:45.19 | frikinz | How does one "mount" automatically a vg on boot? I have to do vgchange -ay vg1 currently. |
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| 17:46.05 | frikinz | I must have missed a point as this sounds obvious.. |
| 17:46.33 | nsadmin | well a vg is not the thing you mount |
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| 17:46.59 | gele | apparently, just suspending pulseaudio while jackd is running isn't a very nice option - most programs can't deal with pulseaudio being suspended and start doing weird things (rhythmbox, mplayer etc). |
| 17:47.11 | wilee-nilee | fprophet,Never mind I thought I was on the ubuntu channel my bad. |
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| 17:48.23 | gele | there's really no reason to have separate partitions on a normal installation, especially when you're short on space and may run out of space on one of the partitions. it's a bit dumb that the installer recommends this. |
| 17:48.52 | frikinz | nsadmin: how to make it known to the kernel so that I can mount all the rest on top? |
| 17:49.02 | fprophet | gele: I have a 300gb hard drive |
| 17:49.03 | Sm0ke0ut | that really depends on what you're planning to run imo @ gele |
| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | gele, what's a "normal installation"? |
| 17:49.15 | gele | nsadmin: "normal desktop installation" then. |
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| 17:49.37 | nsadmin | frikinz, look at the file /etc/fstab |
| 17:49.45 | confusid | How can I have a my lappy boot to a login screen at console and not start xfce? |
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| 17:50.03 | ksuhku | fprophet, how big is your disk? |
| 17:50.19 | fprophet | ksuhku: please, not on the first date |
| 17:50.20 | frikinz | nsadmin: you mean by mounting fs on top of it, the kernel will autodetect the vg and access it? |
| 17:50.33 | ksuhku | haha |
| 17:50.41 | gele | confusid: change the levels that the display manager is running at, or uninstall it altogether. |
| 17:50.49 | nsadmin | oh, sorry, wrong nick :) |
| 17:51.37 | confusid | gele: ty, going to google levels.. lol |
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| 17:52.10 | nsadmin | frikinz, so your goal is to mount some logical vols (lv) and have them mounted at boot? |
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| 17:52.33 | frikinz | nsadmin: yes, its a luks volume in fact |
| 17:52.44 | frikinz | oh wait :) |
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| 17:53.08 | fprophet | ksuhku: root says 100% usage, size 6.4gb |
| 17:53.15 | nsadmin | this is a static method, meaning that you would specify the particular lv to mount on a particular mount pt |
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| 17:54.08 | gele | confusid: the display manager is started by a init script, which has a line that probably says "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5". if you change that to "# Default-Start: " it should not start on boot. |
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| 17:54.44 | gele | confusid: it's /etc/init.d/gdm3 or /etc/init.d/lightdm or something else depending on what display manager you're using. |
| 17:55.00 | confusid | gele: xfce |
| 17:55.12 | nsadmin | changing that section of the init script, you would run innserv to have your changes take effect on the next boot |
| 17:55.34 | gele | confusid: that's not a display manager, it's a window/desktop manager. the display manager only handles the graphical login. |
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| 17:55.50 | ksuhku | fprophet, around 15 gigs root would probably be good, you can allocate rest to home |
| 17:56.20 | fprophet | ksuhku: okay. do I absolutely need a live cd for this |
| 17:56.31 | confusid | if I install a system without a desktop enviroment then could I only use the files in my /home to start the windows instead of it loading and using lots of resources from the get go? |
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| 17:56.45 | ksuhku | fprophet, yes you do because the disk has to be unmounted to be repartitioned |
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| 17:56.52 | confusid | gele: ah ok.. ty, I have my terminology mixed then. |
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| 17:57.13 | Zerker | A liveusb should work too |
| 17:57.15 | specing | Wait, are we still at that "how large must the partitions be..." problem??? |
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| 17:57.22 | ksuhku | yea |
| 17:57.28 | fprophet | ksuhku: will I lose data? |
| 17:57.36 | specing | USE. LVM. NOW. |
| 17:57.43 | ksuhku | fprophet, that's very unlikely but possible |
| 17:57.43 | specing | fprophet: maybe |
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| 17:57.50 | specing | fprophet: BACKUPS!!! |
| 17:57.51 | fprophet | balls. |
| 17:58.15 | jelly-home | backup balls. |
| 17:58.32 | gele | confusid: if you turn off the display manager, you can then login in text mode and start xfce by running 'startx'. |
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| 18:05.23 | nsadmin | specing. probably he can[t use lvm now if he is to be comfortable that he's not going to lose data. you and I are familiar with how to move files around to add volumes (partitions or lvs); some of the things we do could be risky for folks who haven't done this kind of thing before |
| 18:05.40 | solidus-river | http://pastie.org/private/tzyasnftlxcnowoq7jesq |
| 18:05.50 | solidus-river | i packaged this myself, any clue on what that error means? |
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| 18:06.47 | Spec | solidus-river: it means wherever "./usr/lib/py...."'s filesystem is mounted readonly |
| 18:06.57 | Spec | type "mount" and look for "(ro" in the flags |
| 18:07.18 | Spec | i'm going to guess you don't actually want the "./" there, though. |
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| 18:07.30 | nsadmin | says it can't create a symbolic link... find out why |
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| 18:08.15 | solidus-river | solidus-river: yeah i am as well, but where is it getting the . from? |
| 18:08.26 | solidus-river | Spec: ^ |
| 18:08.41 | solidus-river | Spec: i used the python auto packager to make this deb |
| 18:09.17 | txomon|nqas | any tip on migrating a .deb from ubuntu to debian? haven't seen anything in the developers-reference |
| 18:10.29 | nsadmin | txomon|nqas, this may or may not work... try getting the ubuntu-ized source, and then try building the package |
| 18:10.56 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, ty for the tip |
| 18:11.00 | txomon|nqas | will work on that |
| 18:11.37 | specing | nsadmin: yeah, its very hard... |
| 18:11.48 | nsadmin | with the appropriate deb-src line, you can get the source with apt-get source (package name) |
| 18:12.00 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, ubuntu installed ;) |
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| 18:12.40 | txomon|nqas | I want to change to debian my server, and I need cobbler in there, so... |
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| 18:12.52 | nsadmin | specing, I love lvm too... and, it has gotchas for the unaware |
| 18:13.30 | nsadmin | as would any similar system |
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| 18:18.53 | nsadmin | txomon|nqas, not sure how deep we want to go here... and, before we have to, give this a shot (normally this would be used to backport a later version for an earlier release, "if the planets are aligned properly", it could work |
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| 18:20.16 | nsadmin | another thing you could do in support of any approach you might take, is try building it from its sources without generating a debian package in order to see what's required... what you learn could help you build the package under debian |
| 18:20.46 | ispireme | hey guys |
| 18:21.04 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, as I said, it exists in ubuntu, so just though in C&P and testing... |
| 18:21.17 | txomon|nqas | trying to follow guidelines etc. |
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| 18:22.16 | nsadmin | sure... two places that could help: there should be a debian packaging manual somewhere, and on oftc.net there is #debian-mentors |
| 18:22.46 | nsadmin | did you say you're already reading the packaging manual? |
| 18:22.54 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, already in both ;D have started to read the developers-reference... but its hard to read and not centered in what I am looking for |
| 18:23.17 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, well, already read several links |
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| 18:24.20 | boudiccas | i've just bought a new phone and lsusb shows it as Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0fce:5180 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB how do i mount it please? |
| 18:24.47 | ispireme | txomon|nqas: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:25.56 | txomon|nqas | ispireme, have cobbler in debian |
| 18:26.09 | txomon|nqas | and btw learn to do debian packages |
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| 18:27.13 | ispireme | i see |
| 18:27.34 | solidus-river | Spec: how would the ./ have gotten there? i'm confused, i'm using the automagical python packaging tools provided by debian and nothing else |
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| 18:27.50 | frikinz | boudiccas: it could be that it only provides an MTP protocol as does my phone |
| 18:28.04 | frikinz | s/protocol/interface/ |
| 18:28.11 | boudiccas | frikinz, sorry, i dont understand? |
| 18:28.33 | txomon|nqas | as ubuntu has so much private support, and so, new packages, I think some type of tuto might be done to migrate from there. Would be useful |
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| 18:30.24 | frikinz | boudiccas: some devices do not show as "mass storage" and you can not mount them. They provide a MTP interface and you need to find a linux client to access it. |
| 18:30.45 | boudiccas | frikinz, ah, any clues please? |
| 18:31.58 | frikinz | boudiccas: well, check in your phone documentation if you can set it as "mass storage" if not, then MTP client |
| 18:32.01 | frikinz | !mtp |
| 18:32.02 | dpkg | [mtp] Media Transfer Protocol, or Microsoft Tricking People... into using their shitty protocol, which is far worse than USB Mass Storage and proprietary to boot. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; the MTPfs <FUSE> filesystem also provides read/write access. |
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| 18:32.41 | boudiccas | frikinz, ah, right, thanks |
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| 18:33.03 | LinuX2half | So I finally installed Debian |
| 18:33.18 | LinuX2half | Which the installer gave ma lot of trouble. |
| 18:33.23 | tryy3|Coding | i know dpkg is 1 of the bot here in #debian, but isn't there another bot too? |
| 18:33.38 | nsadmin | txomon|nqas, one gotcha you might encounter, is if cobbler uses a build system that's not in debian, which would simply mean you'd have to port the build system too or use an existing one or build your own... |
| 18:33.40 | LinuX2half | And what's more troubling? The operating system doesn't have wifi or any hardware detected. |
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| 18:34.14 | LinuX2half | how come it does not have wifi enabled or the detected peripherals? |
| 18:34.21 | nsadmin | tryy3|Coding, could be... what has you ask? |
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| 18:34.52 | nsadmin | LinuX2half, actually my wifi works very well |
| 18:34.57 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin i remember the bot can check up weird numbers for like usb stuff? |
| 18:35.13 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin cant remember what the weirds numbers is called :P |
| 18:35.17 | LinuX2half | nsadmin: yeah, not sure you can compare to mine |
| 18:35.45 | LinuX2half | I mean, the installation took hell long. |
| 18:36.05 | nsadmin | LinuX2half, true, comparison is presently impossible since the two halves of the comparison are not available |
| 18:36.40 | LinuX2half | what I mean is the operating system never installed anything. |
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| 18:36.54 | LinuX2half | Only some softwares |
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| 18:37.07 | txomon|nqas | nsadmin, hope not |
| 18:37.08 | nsadmin | ahh. you may have a base-only installation |
| 18:37.10 | LinuX2half | and when it reaches over to tell me that what software you should install, I don't understand what those software were. |
| 18:37.20 | LinuX2half | Is web server compose of wifi and ethernet function? |
| 18:37.29 | LinuX2half | I dont' know. |
| 18:37.46 | LinuX2half | Then something about mail server. |
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| 18:37.52 | LinuX2half | Like, what are those things? |
| 18:37.58 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin mind telling me what the other bot is called? |
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| 18:39.22 | LinuX2half | Now, I'm just stuck with Debian with no network connection. |
| 18:39.51 | LinuX2half | Is that how everyone begin with? |
| 18:39.57 | nsadmin | a netinstall cd has the installer and the base... if network is detected during install, then the installer would be able to download whatever you've requested |
| 18:40.00 | LinuX2half | No internet connection on a fresh install os? |
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| 18:40.24 | nsadmin | so you've said many times |
| 18:40.52 | jagginess | LinuX2half, samples are in /usr/share/doc/initscripts |
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| 18:41.21 | LinuX2half | nsadmin, Yes I know, quite shocking for me to realize that Debian did nothing on my hardware. So I have to download the netinstall cd into a usb then transfer over to Debian? |
| 18:41.23 | nsadmin | if you'd like to get some packages installed, are you willing to move on from your complaints? |
| 18:41.29 | jagginess | LinuX2half, samples are in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 18:41.48 | jagginess | (network-interfaces.gz) |
| 18:41.50 | LinuX2half | what are samples? |
| 18:41.56 | jagginess | #debian-language |
| 18:41.59 | jagginess | :/ |
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| 18:42.14 | LinuX2half | Sorry, I'm more used to Ubuntu. |
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| 18:42.38 | jagginess | samples/examples |
| 18:42.48 | LinuX2half | So if I went to /user/share/doc/ifupdown, there would be an network interface? |
| 18:43.23 | jagginess | LinuX2half, i was kind enough to point where it is |
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| 18:43.33 | jagginess | LinuX2half, you have to custom tailor things to your own needs |
| 18:43.45 | tryy3|Coding | nsadmin mind telling me what the other bot is called? |
| 18:44.05 | txomon|nqas | make cat /proc/net/dev to check if at least kernel knows about interfaces |
| 18:44.11 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, you bookmark bots as your friends? tsk tsk |
| 18:44.19 | txomon|nqas | LinuX2half, ^ |
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| 18:44.42 | jagginess | !networking |
| 18:44.42 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces" and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>. |
| 18:45.08 | nsadmin | LinuX2half, the way we're presently communicating, you're stuck in your perception and this among other things are counterproductive to actually getting your issue resolved. let's resolve the ubuntu part right now: if you want to run ubuntu, please do so; your tone is not leading you toward friendly support |
| 18:45.13 | tryy3|Coding | jagginess no, i just wanna pm it |
| 18:45.52 | abrotman | tryy3|Coding: /msg dpkg help |
| 18:45.55 | nsadmin | so. do you want to get help in solving your issue or would you rather just run ubuntu? |
| 18:46.07 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman its not dpkg, its the other bot |
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| 18:46.44 | abrotman | tryy3|Coding: that's teh bot, end of discussion |
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| 18:46.55 | LinuX2half | Yes, it would be optimal on getting issues to solve . |
| 18:46.57 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, you made two new friends today :) |
| 18:46.59 | txomon|nqas | Im going back home now, ty nsadmin ! |
| 18:47.00 | abrotman | tryy3|Coding: the other bot's information can be gotten from packages.debian.org .. enjoy |
| 18:47.16 | nsadmin | txomon|nqas, welcome :) have a good trip |
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| 18:47.54 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman but dpkg cant tell me about the weird number that i cant remember what they are called? |
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| 18:48.10 | abrotman | tryy3|Coding: try asking the poeple here? |
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| 18:48.25 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman fine |
| 18:48.31 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, you mean like the number googol ? |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | not helping ... |
| 18:48.46 | LinuX2half | Seems like getting Debian, takes large consumption of time. Frustrating when things aren't working. |
| 18:49.00 | nsadmin | LinuX2half, ok. so first I would like a bit of information so we can get started... what name can we refer to the machine you're installing to during this conversation? does it have ethernet as well as wireless? |
| 18:49.15 | tryy3|Coding | jagginess idk, its bunch of numbers, anyway gonna google some more, i will come back if i need further help |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | LinuX2half: depends on your level of ability, i can generally install a Debian box in about 10 minutes |
| 18:49.42 | frikinz | tryy3|Coding: pci ids ? |
| 18:49.48 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, those are crash symbols for debuggers |
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| 18:49.48 | LinuX2half | nsadmin, yes both. call it debian. |
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| 18:49.59 | tryy3|Coding | frikinz ah pci i belive it is :P |
| 18:50.37 | jagginess | LinuX2half, did you look at the wikipage? |
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| 18:50.59 | Sidney__ | Will someone tell me whats going on here http://pastebin.com/nmW50Mn6 |
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| 18:51.24 | nsadmin | ok :) would it be possible for you to connect debian's ethernet to your router for the purpose of installing needed packages? |
| 18:51.30 | LinuX2half | jagginess: plenty of times during installation. |
| 18:51.42 | jagginess | Sidney__, you can't sudo a script from an arbitrary location |
| 18:52.05 | LinuX2half | nsadmin: I'm not sure whether if my hardware were enabled. |
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| 18:52.18 | jagginess | Sidney__, i would hesitate to do anything you're doing-- but line16 is wrong |
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| 18:52.45 | LinuX2half | nsadmin, there's no indication on the bar that says "you're not connected to the internet" |
| 18:52.56 | jelly-home | Sidney__: you managed to run it in line 14 |
| 18:53.20 | Sidney__ | jagginess, where should i put this file before i run /install.sh |
| 18:53.32 | nsadmin | LinuX2half, if you run ifconfig -a, you will discover the available interfaces in the form of labels and paragraphs... could you show me the labels? |
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| 18:54.23 | LinuX2half | nsadmin: I'm current operating on windows, so data given on a linux os isn't possible. |
| 18:54.44 | jagginess | Sidney__, it's a broken installer.. it's crap |
| 18:54.57 | Sidney__ | broken? |
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| 18:55.11 | nsadmin | ok, then, could you boot into debian and see what it has? (again, by running /sbin/ifconfig -a) |
| 18:55.24 | jagginess | Sidney__, yes.. line 15 spits out an error and then it dies |
| 18:55.28 | zorrolero | tryy3|Coding: ask judd about "pciid", thats the bot you're looking for |
| 18:55.37 | jagginess | Sidney__, comeon use a bit of logic here.. |
| 18:55.43 | jagginess | Sidney__, read your output |
| 18:56.04 | LinuX2half | nsadmin, you could give me a list of commands and I'll type it back when I boot into Debian. |
| 18:56.21 | tryy3|Coding | zorrolero ah judd it was thanks :D |
| 18:56.30 | gele | ok, a pulseaudio question (latest version in wheezy): |
| 18:56.41 | Sidney__ | OK I'll start over to what older should i unzip it ? |
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| 18:56.52 | gele | $ pasuspender -- fuser /dev/snd/* |
| 18:56.52 | gele | /dev/snd/controlC0: 27199 |
| 18:56.53 | gele | $ pgrep -l pulse |
| 18:56.53 | gele | 27199 pulseaudio |
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| 18:56.54 | Sidney__ | folder |
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| 18:57.19 | jagginess | Sidney__, that's not the debian way to install things.. anything "install.sh" foreign is bad |
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| 18:57.35 | jagginess | Sidney__, maybe that thing you want to install is already packaged anyways |
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| 18:57.51 | gele | 4 lines is too much? |
| 18:57.54 | Sidney__ | That is the only option crashplan gave me |
| 18:58.00 | nsadmin | if you have an eth0, then it's looking like your ethernet interface is supported... (you may also wish to run lspci -nn > ~/lspci.txt) |
| 18:58.11 | frikinz | gele: what if everybody pastes 4 lines? |
| 18:58.26 | nsadmin | LinuX2half (see above) |
| 18:58.36 | gele | anyway, is that supposed to happen? i thought pasuspender would release all audio devices while the command was running. |
| 18:58.37 | Sidney__ | Or is there another backup program that I can use |
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| 18:58.51 | gele | this is with the alsa source and sink. |
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| 18:59.12 | jagginess | Sidney__, google "list of backup software site:wikipedia.org" |
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| 18:59.42 | nsadmin | frikinz, then they could sing "I posted 4 lines in de morning... and I posted 4 lines at night... and after I did, I thought, you know it feels allright..." |
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| 19:01.50 | LinuX2half | Does Debian install wireless-tools by default? |
| 19:02.07 | jagginess | Sidney__, that install.sh came from a .tgz ? |
| 19:02.13 | jagginess | Sidney__, http://www.crashplan.com/consumer/download.html?os=Linux |
| 19:02.14 | nsadmin | "by default" would mean "in the base" and I believe the answer is no |
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| 19:02.53 | gele | it's in the "laptop" group/list/thingie though. |
| 19:02.54 | nsadmin | you can verify this by running dpkg -s wireless-tools |
| 19:02.57 | jagginess | Sidney__, that tgz has install.defaults |
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| 19:03.15 | MaddinXx | is there a way to get the output of "dpkg -l" but without the description column |
| 19:03.19 | jagginess | Sidney__, you're supposed to extract the full .tgz |
| 19:03.31 | jagginess | Sidney__, that's what you didnt do |
| 19:03.42 | abrotman | MaddinXx: awk |
| 19:04.07 | nsadmin | MaddinXx, linux/unix has tools that help you do those kinds of things |
| 19:04.11 | abrotman | LinuX2half: it should be on the installation media you used |
| 19:04.22 | MaddinXx | abrotman: ok thanks, will check it out on how to pipe. thx! |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | looks at dpkg ... |
| 19:04.38 | jagginess | Sidney__, also it requires sunjava or openjdk |
| 19:04.48 | abrotman | waves to don |
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| 19:05.11 | abrotman | tryy3|Coding: did you break the bot?! |
| 19:05.23 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman no? |
| 19:05.29 | abrotman | are you sure?! |
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| 19:05.40 | nsadmin | dpkg, test |
| 19:05.42 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman i haven't touched it for a while now... |
| 19:06.02 | nsadmin | wow :) you did break it! :P |
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| 19:06.12 | tryy3|Coding | no |
| 19:06.26 | tryy3|Coding | i touched it 4h ago... |
| 19:06.40 | nsadmin | you scared it away! |
| 19:06.50 | tryy3|Coding | maybe it got mad cuz i start using judd :P |
| 19:07.00 | jagginess | maybe he means 4 minutes ago.. sounds like a guilty response 4h |
| 19:07.43 | tryy3|Coding | [17:05] <tryy3|Coding> apt-cache |
| 19:07.43 | tryy3|Coding | [17:05] <dpkg> apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package |
| 19:07.43 | tryy3|Coding | descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
| 19:07.45 | tryy3|Coding | see :D |
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| 19:07.58 | abrotman | yeah .. notice there's no timezone marker ... |
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| 19:08.13 | tryy3|Coding | its gmt +1 |
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| 19:08.17 | tryy3|Coding | swedish time |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | sure sure ... |
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| 19:08.52 | tryy3|Coding | -.- |
| 19:08.53 | pzn | I did an CPU load graph per 2 hours... http://tinypic.com/r/25oxvd1/6 does this mean that I need a faster disk? I see "iowait" with numbers that are high for me... does this iowait are high? |
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| 19:09.09 | jagginess | thinks http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard |
| 19:09.11 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman http://puu.sh/1fwlH the time now |
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| 19:09.35 | abrotman | can make fake pastes too |
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| 19:09.51 | jagginess | tryy3|Coding, fix my baby |
| 19:09.52 | nsadmin | pzn, do any of your logs say an irq has been shut down because "nobody cared"? |
| 19:10.12 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman http://puu.sh/1fwms |
| 19:10.27 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman ignore that |
| 19:10.43 | abrotman | already was |
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| 19:11.11 | cobra-the-joker | tryy3|Coding, you pay for mirc? |
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| 19:11.12 | tryy3|Coding | abrotman http://puu.sh/1fwnB and http://puu.sh/1fwnk prove enough? |
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| 19:11.20 | tryy3|Coding | cobra-the-joker nope... |
| 19:11.32 | cobra-the-joker | it wasnt free last time i checked |
| 19:12.05 | tryy3|Coding | cobra-the-joker its like winrar, it says it gone over the free trial, but you can still use it |
| 19:12.17 | cobra-the-joker | very nice |
| 19:12.32 | nsadmin | they want -money- for mirc?! good luck! |
| 19:12.51 | jxself | I'm trying the Lenny to Squeeze upgrade (yeah, I'm late) and it appears that my system is unbootable - http://dpaste.com/814406/ I'm not sure what to do at this point. |
| 19:13.25 | jxself | And I get dropped into Busybox. |
| 19:13.26 | specing | lol |
| 19:13.43 | jxself | There may be some typos in the paste, since I'm doing it by hand. |
| 19:13.53 | abrotman | jxself: you can use picpaste.com if that's easier |
| 19:14.18 | jxself | That requires a camera. |
| 19:14.21 | abrotman | jxself: you didn't upgrade the kernel ? |
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| 19:14.41 | jxself | I went through the usual full-upgrade process. |
| 19:14.44 | abrotman | LVM or EVMS ? |
| 19:14.55 | jxself | LVM |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | you must not have had the kernel metapackage installed |
| 19:15.47 | jxself | tmpfs became full during the upgrade |
| 19:16.11 | jxself | So I started seeing no space left on device messages |
| 19:16.33 | jxself | There is actaully lots of space though. |
| 19:16.48 | jagginess | jxself, that's odd.. |
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| 19:16.55 | abrotman | how is that odd? |
| 19:17.05 | jagginess | that kind of error never seen |
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| 19:17.27 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:17.42 | abrotman | jxself: lots of space left where? |
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| 19:18.19 | nsadmin | jxself. "no space left on device" would beg the question "which device" |
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| 19:18.48 | jagginess | "<jxself> There may be some typos in the paste, since I'm doing it by hand." |
| 19:18.49 | nsadmin | df could show you |
| 19:18.50 | jagginess | oh dear.. |
| 19:19.04 | jxself | abrotman: In other partitions. |
| 19:19.05 | nsadmin | is the paste of a df? |
| 19:19.17 | jagginess | he's not pasting, he's typing the full paste.. |
| 19:19.20 | jxself | In hindsight some are too smal |
| 19:19.26 | jagginess | :/ (there's faster jxself) |
| 19:19.33 | jagginess | ,/faster ways/ |
| 19:19.51 | jxself | Oh? |
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| 19:20.16 | avar | Where can I find documentation on managing (listing, changing passwords etc.) the full-disk encryption that debian uses? |
| 19:20.23 | avar | I can't find what it's called. |
| 19:20.31 | nsadmin | hmm, /dev not mounted |
| 19:20.38 | frikinz | avar: luks |
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| 19:21.05 | pzn | nsadmin, no logs say that. server is working very well (except that it is slow), about 20 simultaneous users. |
| 19:21.07 | avar | frikinz: thanks |
| 19:21.08 | gele | avar: luks in an lvm partition. |
| 19:21.16 | frikinz | gele: no |
| 19:21.27 | gele | no. |
| 19:21.30 | frikinz | gele: sorry didn't read properly |
| 19:21.33 | Sidney__ | jagginess, thanks got it installed but not sure if I want it installed now |
| 19:21.33 | pzn | nsadmin, I suppose that server is overloaded. do you know if this % of iowait is high? |
| 19:21.34 | gele | lvm in a luks partition. |
| 19:21.36 | frikinz | is/in |
| 19:22.06 | jagginess | Sidney__, you'll have to look at their .com site/forums see how to uninstall it |
| 19:22.13 | jagginess | Sidney__, (it's not a .deb) |
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| 19:22.22 | Sidney__ | ok |
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| 19:23.11 | nsadmin | gele, so the pv has been luked |
| 19:23.21 | jxself | I documented the setup when the machine was originally done if that helps - http://dpaste.com/814414/ |
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| 19:23.38 | avar | Ah, gnome-disk-utility can change the luks password |
| 19:23.39 | jxself | But, as I've said, in hindsight some were too small. |
| 19:24.14 | jxself | I suppose that's the problem with trying to predict needed space in advance. |
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| 19:24.46 | jagginess | jxself, /boot is safe to have as 100-300 .. i'm not sure about "/" like you have it at 300megs |
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| 19:25.34 | dolapevich | hello everybody. |
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| 19:25.41 | dolapevich | I need to rotate app logs, |
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| 19:25.55 | dolapevich | is it possible to use log rotate |
| 19:26.05 | dolapevich | with a user other than root? |
| 19:26.22 | dolapevich | for example, www-data or cache |
| 19:26.26 | nsadmin | if the log dir is writable by that user |
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| 19:26.57 | dolapevich | So, I could setup a cron job to call log rotate as that user... |
| 19:27.16 | dolapevich | no other issue you can think of other than directory perms.. |
| 19:27.25 | nsadmin | I would say yes... but, pls make sure by checking the docs |
| 19:27.35 | dolapevich | I did |
| 19:27.40 | dolapevich | and I didn´t find any trace |
| 19:27.44 | dolapevich | to running as user |
| 19:27.52 | dolapevich | nor supported or unsupported :) |
| 19:27.54 | jagginess | jxself, you probably ran out of disk space on / or /var (/var is parent directory where .deb packages are cached) |
| 19:27.58 | nsadmin | no, I can't think of other issues.... try running the rotate by hand on a copy of the dir |
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| 19:28.04 | dolapevich | will do. |
| 19:28.05 | dolapevich | Thanks! |
| 19:28.16 | nsadmin | np... let me know hwo it goes |
| 19:28.19 | jxself | jagginess: Possibly. |
| 19:28.43 | jagginess | jxself, use the command lvm tools to manually mount your partitions to check in cli.. |
| 19:29.09 | jxself | jagginess: OK. I'm not sure how to do that though. |
| 19:30.00 | jagginess | jxself, maybe there already device mapped.. (dunno about your current situation, you can check -> ls -la /dev/mapper) |
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| 19:30.54 | jagginess | jxself, mount<enter> would show mountpoints, then you can use -> df -h /<mountpoint> |
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| 19:32.41 | jhutchins_wk | dolapevich: You do realise that root has access to the www-data files? |
| 19:32.49 | jxself | OK. This is strange. I can't type at the busybox prompt. I've even plugged in a knowing-working keyboard (the one I'm using now) |
| 19:33.20 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: Ah, but is it a USB keyboard? |
| 19:33.22 | jxself | And it did react to it. I saw a line about new USB device found |
| 19:33.24 | jxself | Ys |
| 19:33.25 | jxself | YEs |
| 19:33.34 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, hehe |
| 19:33.38 | jhutchins_wk | Did you turn on legacy device support in the BIOS? |
| 19:34.09 | jxself | It's an Apple Mac Mini (an old PowerPC one) I don't have that kind of option. |
| 19:34.32 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: It's entirely possible that busybox at that stage doesn't recognize USB input. |
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| 19:34.49 | jxself | Hmmm |
| 19:34.57 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: One of the gotchas you run into in this game. |
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| 19:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: how are you booting? |
| 19:35.44 | jxself | I press the power button, and it turns on. |
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| 19:35.57 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: I try to recommend that new users use a single partition + swap because this is a common problem. |
| 19:36.14 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: Indeed, and a single partition seems like a good idea. |
| 19:36.41 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: So you are partially booted and unable to continue? |
| 19:37.03 | jagginess | jxself, it's only if you're hosting thousands of users you'll benefit from multiple partition points.. for single users have two partitions is very suitable (one for / as ext4, and one for swap) |
| 19:37.09 | jxself | Basically. I get dropped into a busybox shell after a message about giving up waiting for the root device. |
| 19:38.27 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: This is probably going to be easier to fix with a bootable CD/USB like systemrescuecd that has a full suite of tools available. Drive Not Ready doesn't sound good. |
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| 19:38.44 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, he's on mac ppc :) |
| 19:38.50 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: I'm guessing that some component thinks it's pointing at a device that doesn't exist. |
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| 19:38.58 | jagginess | i wonder what he can use as rescue kits, probably not many |
| 19:38.58 | jhutchins_wk | Ouch. |
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| 19:39.11 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: The full message is here if helps - http://dpaste.com/814406/ |
| 19:39.24 | graham1 | hi, for some reason i can ssh into my non-root user on a debian squeeze box using putty,, but i cant SFTP into it?! i can ssh and sftp into the root user...? |
| 19:39.33 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, thanks, difficult sorting through the scrollback. |
| 19:39.35 | graham1 | any reasons why it might not be working would be appreciated, thanks |
| 19:40.04 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: I typed it by hand but it should be free of error (I hope) |
| 19:40.05 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: Are you displaying a custom motd? |
| 19:40.09 | jagginess | graham1, you can ssh as root for sftp? but not as regular user? |
| 19:40.18 | nsadmin | graham1, what does it say is the reason? |
| 19:40.21 | graham1 | yes exactly jagginess |
| 19:40.35 | graham1 | filezilla says the reason is: Error:Network error: Connection refused |
| 19:40.40 | graham1 | im not using a custom motd no |
| 19:40.54 | jagginess | graham1, i belive ssh logs in /var/log/system.0.log or system.log |
| 19:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | Yep, there it is, /dev/mapper/mail-root does not exist |
| 19:42.10 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: Another thing that may be relevant is that during the upgrade process I was asked about changing something (I don't remember the name) to use UUID instead. |
| 19:42.19 | jagginess | graham1, maybe (syslog) |
| 19:42.20 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: This is not a RAID system? |
| 19:42.20 | nsadmin | that could mean the vg mail is not activated |
| 19:42.34 | jxself | justin_: No. It's just a single drive. |
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| 19:42.55 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: Did you say no? |
| 19:43.03 | jxself | I said yes. |
| 19:43.09 | jhutchins_wk | Hrmn. |
| 19:43.24 | jagginess | graham1, you wanna make sure you didnt mess around with pam stuff |
| 19:43.29 | jhutchins_wk | You'll notice it's complaining about /devs not about UUIDs. |
| 19:43.41 | jxself | Part of the Lenny to Squeeze transition so I figured it was a good change. |
| 19:43.41 | graham1 | i cant seem to find my system.log file? |
| 19:43.57 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: Oh, indeed. I hadn't noticed. |
| 19:44.04 | jagginess | graham1, sorry i meant syslog .. (check if you're using pam in sshd_config) |
| 19:44.30 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: Unless you can get into the filesystem and fix the fstab you may be facing a new install. |
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| 19:45.03 | jhutchins_wk | It sounds like maybe initrd didn't get updated and you're missing some modules. |
| 19:45.33 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: If you have other options on the boot menu I would try them and see if you get anything different. |
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| 19:46.17 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: And considering that I can't seem the use the keyboard... |
| 19:46.23 | graham1 | ok im in the syslog |
| 19:46.34 | jagginess | graham1, you just have to tail it |
| 19:46.39 | jagginess | graham1, tail /var/log/sys |
| 19:46.40 | jagginess | graham1, tail /var/log/syslog |
| 19:46.49 | jagginess | :/ |
| 19:46.59 | jagginess | graham1, you're trying out debian7 sid? |
| 19:47.34 | jagginess | (works for me) |
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| 19:47.40 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: How about this? The machine's firmware has something Apple called Target Disk Mode, where the machine pretends to be a hard drive over the FireWire connector. Perhaps I could do that to get it mounted on a different machine? |
| 19:48.01 | jagginess | jxself, that's like something of a dinosaur thing |
| 19:48.17 | jxself | jagginess: Maybe but I'm trying to some up with anything. |
| 19:48.20 | jagginess | jxself, linux doesnt have a big foot print in that era (especially with mac hardware) |
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| 19:49.07 | jagginess | jxself, most of us are not on mac hardware.. so i guess our experience would be very problematic |
| 19:49.25 | graham1 | there is nothing in my syslog about the failed SFTP login? |
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| 19:49.31 | jagginess | jxself, (and apple dithed ppc and firmware updates for it years ago) |
| 19:49.36 | jxself | My understanding is that Target Disk Mode happens at what you'd call the BIOS level, before it even starts looking for an OS to boot. |
| 19:49.39 | smallfoot- | Ubuntu now being adware/spyware, I am considering Debian |
| 19:49.50 | smallfoot- | Is Debian as pretty and easy-to-use as Ubuntu? |
| 19:50.03 | smallfoot- | or is Debian fuggly and difficult to use? |
| 19:50.15 | jxself | And I have a PC to use (the one I'm typing on) so I wonder how that PC would not know it really wasn't an external drive. |
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| 19:52.01 | MariachiAC | Hello. Wehre can i find the firmware files for b-43-ucode5.fw |
| 19:52.34 | graham1 | there is nothing in my syslog about the failed SFTP login? any ideas of what i can get the regular user SFTP working? |
| 19:52.50 | graham1 | i have done a tail /var/log/syslog and whatever. seems to be nothing about failed logins |
| 19:52.55 | jagginess | graham1, it would be an ssh failed login |
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| 19:53.31 | jagginess | graham1, i asked like 2 questions (you touched something with pam? are you using sid? it' possibly a bug) |
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| 19:53.39 | smallfoot- | Is Debian as stable as Ubuntu? if you use Debian will you use old packages or will you have fresh packages like Firefox 16, GIMP 2.8.2, Chromium 22, LibreOffice 3.6, etc? |
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| 19:53.52 | graham1 | how do i find out system local time? |
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| 19:54.07 | smallfoot- | $ date |
| 19:54.14 | smallfoot- | Tue Oct 16 21:54:00 CEST 2012 |
| 19:54.23 | dkr | smallfoot-: are you equating "fresh" with "stable" or are those two questions completely unrelated? |
| 19:54.33 | smallfoot- | dkr, unrelated |
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| 19:54.56 | graham1 | my logs dont even go past 21:50 ? |
| 19:55.02 | graham1 | and my login attempts from regular user were /after/ that |
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| 19:56.24 | jagginess | graham1, .. |
| 19:56.37 | graham1 | hey. . |
| 19:56.48 | jagginess | graham1, you made me search into this.. i hinted it was around /var/log (syslog was not definite).. failed logons would show up in /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:56.49 | dkr | smallfoot-: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1 |
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| 19:58.20 | graham1 | figured it out . thanks |
| 19:58.52 | MariachiAC | b43/ucode5.fw is the firmware I need. |
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| 19:59.01 | MariachiAC | any clues? |
| 19:59.11 | jagginess | MariachiAC, search firmware with your package manager |
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| 19:59.50 | MariachiAC | ok. |
| 20:00.04 | smallfoot- | Is is easy to use proprietary software such as Nvidia drivers, MP3, Skype, WMV, in Debian? |
| 20:00.58 | jagginess | smallfoot-, do you know how to burn an iso? |
| 20:01.26 | jagginess | smallfoot-, free-> http://www.imgburn.com/ |
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| 20:02.21 | smallfoot- | yes |
| 20:02.25 | jagginess | smallfoot-, http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 20:02.37 | smallfoot- | I don't use CD, it is 80's technology |
| 20:02.40 | smallfoot- | I use USB |
| 20:03.34 | Sidney__ | hotepankh |
| 20:03.40 | jagginess | smallfoot-, cat debian.iso > /dev/<USB> |
| 20:03.52 | jagginess | smallfoot-, or use pendrive/unetbootin |
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| 20:04.02 | smallfoot- | jagginess, but I need mp3 for music and wmv/mpeg for porno |
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| 20:04.10 | smallfoot- | also nvidia driver for games |
| 20:04.33 | jagginess | smallfoot-, it's very easy to make a usb boot, i suggest pendrive--- make 1 fat32 partition on the usb.. do you know how to do it? |
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| 20:05.08 | nsadmin | smallfoot-, one thing at a time :P |
| 20:05.34 | smallfoot- | jagginess, yes |
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| 20:06.49 | jagginess | smallfoot-, once you do, you mount it to a windows letter drive, then run pendrive (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ , have the debian iso already downloaded, and the proper iso) |
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| 20:07.26 | jagginess | smallfoot-, you should backup your ntfs data stuff.. (also you probably tested things with virtualbox), but in any case good luck |
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| 20:09.54 | smallfoot- | jagginess, backup ntfs data? |
| 20:10.28 | confusid | messing around with this trying to stop a login manger from starting without deleteding it from the system I changed id:5:initdefault: to id:2:initdefault: in /etc/inittab and it seems to not change anything. |
| 20:10.36 | jagginess | smallfoot-, backup your userdata on your current system-- new comers always make mistakes and forget to do a backup first |
| 20:10.55 | smallfoot- | why doesn't debian use a cool thing like launchpad for bugs? |
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| 20:11.15 | jagginess | smallfoot-, because people install debian first to report bugs |
| 20:11.41 | smallfoot- | but bugs.debian.org don't look as pretty or easy as launchpad |
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| 20:11.53 | jagginess | smallfoot-, launchpad isn't only for 1 distro |
| 20:12.07 | jagginess | smallfoot-, launchpad it's not targetted to any particular distro "strictly" |
| 20:12.24 | smallfoot- | well it is ubuntu |
| 20:12.27 | snolan | Hello all, whenever I modify touchpad (mouse) settings and then try to log in to <Gnome Classic> it crashes, any ideas why the touchpad settings would crash the whole Desktop? (running *Wheezy*) |
| 20:12.28 | smallfoot- | launchpad.net/ubuntu/ |
| 20:12.32 | damacus | confusid: when you do "ps 1" does it indiacte 2 or 5 in the []'s? |
| 20:12.40 | damacus | and you are rebooting after changing that right? |
| 20:12.40 | jagginess | smallfoot-, mint uses launchpad.. |
| 20:12.46 | smallfoot- | ya, but debian doesnt |
| 20:12.56 | jagginess | smallfoot-, any so do many individual package maintainers not tied to any particular distro |
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| 20:13.28 | jagginess | smallfoot-, But you never used debian's bug reporting system. So you have no arguments.. |
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| 20:13.41 | confusid | damacus: rebooted yes and ps 1 has init [5] atm |
| 20:13.55 | jch2os | what is a good option for an iscsitarget, I'm using squeeze with kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-rt-amd64 |
| 20:14.02 | damacus | confusid: does telinit 2 properly switch your runlevel to 2? |
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| 20:15.15 | confusid | damacus: I also messed with /etc/X11/default-display-manager after installing slim to see about stopping a login gui from starting. It has /usr/bin/slim now. |
| 20:15.20 | confusid | checking telinit 2 |
| 20:15.33 | snolan | confusid: are you trying to boot only into a terminal? |
| 20:15.46 | snolan | without loading x server? |
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| 20:16.12 | confusid | I would like to have slim and xfce installed but boot to terminal so I have to type startx or xfce or slim to have gui |
| 20:16.33 | dioz | ./etc/init.d/ |
| 20:16.53 | damacus | dioz: he should just be able to change runlevel |
| 20:17.25 | abrotman | damacus: 2-5 are the same in Debian |
| 20:17.29 | confusid | read the man page for init.d I was going to try and delete the gdm script in there.. but I don't want to remove anything if possible... I may want to have it boot into the gui at some point later |
| 20:17.39 | damacus | anyway, if inittab isn't being honored, it might be something further up, like a runlevel being specified in grub |
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| 20:17.53 | abrotman | confusid: update-rc.d .. use it to disable the slim from being run at all run levels, start it when you need it |
| 20:18.00 | abrotman | damacus: it's acting correctly, you're mistaken |
| 20:18.04 | smallfoot- | is Debian unstable more fresh than Ubuntu? |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | smallfoot-: try it and see |
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| 20:18.30 | confusid | googling I saw something about changing the grub to "quiet text" but that was for leny |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | smallfoot-: that largely depends on the software you're primarily interseted in .. packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com should be able to tell you more |
| 20:18.51 | damacus | abrotman: neverminding what is in each runlevel, he's indicating that the boot runlevel isn't being affected by inittab |
| 20:19.09 | smallfoot- | when will Debian to /usr/ merge? |
| 20:19.17 | damacus | and yeah, probably so, that's my RHEL/Centosisms. I rarely use X on Debian. |
| 20:19.26 | damacus | (regarding what is in each runlevel by default) |
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| 20:19.43 | abrotman | smallfoot-: why would it? |
| 20:20.26 | snolan | smallfoot: yes debian unstable is more "fresh" than ubuntu |
| 20:20.38 | abrotman | damacus: changing that number in inittab won't do much since 2-5 are the same ... |
| 20:20.39 | snolan | in regard to packages |
| 20:20.41 | MariachiAC | still looking for the firmware. I'm not sure which to get. I'm doing a debian testing install and it says I'm missing nonfree files b43/ucode5.fw. I know its just a fire I need to load and continue from installing from the wireless network. But I've not been successful in finding the corect ucode5 file. I've looked in linux-firmware-nonfree and b43-installer |
| 20:20.45 | jagginess | smallfoot-, you sound worried -- why not try virtualbox? |
| 20:20.49 | smallfoot- | abramart, because Solaris and Magiea and Fedora is doing it (which means Red Hat and CentOS will too soon) |
| 20:20.55 | jagginess | smallfoot-, that way you dont damage anything on your physical system. |
| 20:20.57 | damacus | abrotman: except that PID 1 should indicate the requested runlevel. |
| 20:21.12 | abrotman | smallfoot-: so what? would it be easier if i just put all the paths in your $PATH? you wouldn't know the difference |
| 20:21.23 | jagginess | testing wheezy on virtualbox for quite sometime |
| 20:21.26 | snolan | MariachiAC: you might want to read the installer errata, i think that is mentioned |
| 20:21.28 | abrotman | smallfoot-: neverminding that those distros aren't Debian and have no impact on what Debian does |
| 20:21.37 | dioz | ^ lol |
| 20:21.42 | dioz | since when is debian not fedora? |
| 20:21.45 | snolan | MariachiAC, I would just use ethernet if you can , i have a similar wireless card |
| 20:21.55 | smallfoot- | abramart, right. But does Debian have any plans for /usr/ merge? |
| 20:21.58 | abrotman | dioz: what? |
| 20:22.04 | abrotman | smallfoot-: A B R O <tab> |
| 20:22.09 | smallfoot- | abro? |
| 20:22.13 | abrotman | smallfoot-: what benefit does it provide? |
| 20:22.18 | MariachiAC | snolan: which installer how to? |
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| 20:22.19 | xand | what's "/usr/ merge" mean? |
| 20:22.25 | jagginess | a bra--.. now that sounds he's calling somene a girl hehe |
| 20:22.28 | smallfoot- | abramart, I don't know. Increased UNIX compatibility maybe. |
| 20:22.33 | dioz | abrotman: i'm just trollin... don't mind me |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | xand: do away with bin and sbin .. have a single bin |
| 20:22.34 | jagginess | oO |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | smallfoot-: no, that's not correct |
| 20:22.40 | smallfoot- | xand, /bin/ and /lib/ gets moved to /usr/ |
| 20:22.44 | jagginess | abrotman, i think he's mocking you |
| 20:22.52 | abrotman | jagginess: probably mocking you |
| 20:22.56 | snolan | MariachiAC, there is an "errata" for Debian testing, and I think it talks about b43 cards not working for the install process |
| 20:23.09 | snolan | MariachiAC, let me see if I can find the link |
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| 20:23.36 | smallfoot- | seems Fedora is what you have to use to be on the future of Linux |
| 20:23.40 | ksuhku | MariachiAC, which card is it? There's openfwwf |
| 20:23.42 | jagginess | abrotman, he's been asking similar questions long ago.. i gave him full instructions on how to setup debian to usb as the installer |
| 20:23.46 | abrotman | smallfoot-: don't let us stop you .. go for it |
| 20:23.48 | LennyKitty | Hi, when I use the debian installer it asks me what hard drive I want to use for my installation, but I want to use 2 hard drives. |
| 20:23.49 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 20:23.53 | dioz | 20:25 < smallfoot-> seems Fedora is what you have to use to be on the future of Linux |
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| 20:23.56 | dioz | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:23.59 | jagginess | smallfoot-, try installing debian .. use virtualbox to your pleasure |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | dioz: please stop |
| 20:24.04 | snolan | MariachiAC, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata check the second entry there - possible fix |
| 20:24.04 | dioz | k |
| 20:24.04 | abrotman | dioz: you're nothing but noise |
| 20:24.07 | dioz | i just thought it was funny |
| 20:24.07 | snolan | if you have the firmware |
| 20:24.31 | abrotman | smallfoot-: good luck, guess Debian isn't for you .. Have a nice day |
| 20:24.37 | MariachiAC | sney: looking for hte firmware... I'll look. |
| 20:24.49 | MariachiAC | ok |
| 20:25.13 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: Sorry, real life. Get anywhere? If you can get the FS mounted in target mode that's great, but I doubt that the apple bios is going to know how to handle lvm and ext. |
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| 20:25.44 | confusid | abrotman: update-rc.d -n -f slim remove ? then if I want to use it again then would /etc/init.d/slim start allow it to work at boot time again? |
| 20:25.44 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, hehee apple bios.. that has to take a good byte outta me |
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| 20:25.51 | smallfoot- | Is it as easy to run mp3, wmv, mpeg, skype, nvidia proprietary driver in Debian as in Ubuntu? |
| 20:25.57 | abrotman | confusid: that will allow you to start it when you need to |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | smallfoot-: please go use another distro |
| 20:26.06 | jhutchins_wk | I've only run linux on intel apples. |
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| 20:26.30 | smallfoot- | abrotman, I am using Ubuntu but is looking for alternatives since it is adware/spyware/nsfw |
| 20:26.31 | weeb1e | A load average of 4 on my 3.4gHz box is apparently 0.02 on my 2gHz debian box :P |
| 20:26.36 | themill | %wb |
| 20:26.37 | dselect | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 20:26.44 | confusid | abrotman: then update-rc.d -f slim start would be the way to enable it at boot all the time? |
| 20:26.45 | jhutchins_wk | jagginess: Did you not know that Apple ppcs had a bios? |
| 20:26.46 | yekoms | ubuntu isnt spyware you dolt. |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | smallfoot-: so try Debian, just find out |
| 20:27.00 | jagginess | smallfoot-, i use ubuntu. it doesn't have that. You're just asking this same dumb question over again. |
| 20:27.05 | smallfoot- | jhutchins_wk, No, they had OpenFirmware, I think |
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| 20:27.28 | jhutchins_wk | smallfoot-: How many have you worked with? |
| 20:27.41 | smallfoot- | abrotman, I don't want to try it just to find out I can't play games, cant watch porn, cant listen to music and cant talk to friends. Then it waste of time and useless. |
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| 20:28.01 | smallfoot- | jagginess, but nobody answer it. They avoid and dodge my questions. |
| 20:28.02 | bazhang | smallfoot-, just stop with that |
| 20:28.06 | smallfoot- | jhutchins_wk, None. Not a single one. |
| 20:28.07 | jhutchins_wk | smallfoot-: 'cause I go back to the ][e. |
| 20:28.18 | smallfoot- | bazhang, what? You're here too? Are you everywhere? |
| 20:28.25 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, i wouldnt know more than you in this field.. I was talking about taking a byte outta the apple with my own teeth :) |
| 20:28.40 | nsadmin | smallfoot-, maybe it's you who is everywhere |
| 20:28.46 | abrotman | smallfoot-: either try it or don't .. it sounds like you're more suited for a distro that caters to beginners |
| 20:29.03 | specing | yekoms: you are correct, ubuntu is crapware. |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | please discuss that in #ubuntuy |
| 20:29.15 | abrotman | -y |
| 20:29.21 | dioz | bazhang@#$%$#^#$ long time no see |
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| 20:29.28 | smallfoot- | nsadmin, yes, I was in #ubuntu cuz I use it and bazhang always tell me "dont do that!", and now ubuntu is spyware/adware/nsfw so I want to use sometihng else, so I come here and hes here too |
| 20:29.41 | abrotman | smallfoot-: put him on /ignore |
| 20:29.42 | nsadmin | don't do what? |
| 20:29.45 | yekoms | i didnt say its crapware either. |
| 20:29.50 | jagginess | smells ubunguy for smallstinkyfoot |
| 20:29.57 | yekoms | if im not mistaken, isnt ubuntu based off debian styling? |
| 20:29.59 | specing | Hehehe :) |
| 20:30.06 | smallfoot- | abrotman, i must listen to him else he bans me |
| 20:30.07 | abrotman | yekoms: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:30.12 | nsadmin | yekoms, I'd say no for style |
| 20:30.16 | jhutchins_wk | jagginess: Even the ESXI systems have what you could compare to a BIOS, but more like openfirmware, which is just a different way of doing the same thing. BIOS really doesn't mean anything specific, but we've come to have a certain undertanding of what one looks like. |
| 20:30.18 | abrotman | smallfoot-: either try it or don't .. it sounds like you're more suited for a distro that caters to beginners |
| 20:30.21 | yekoms | cant. i got banned because i said netflix works on linux. :x |
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| 20:30.35 | yekoms | well, isnt ubuntu based off debian..how about that one? |
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| 20:30.44 | abrotman | yekoms: wikipedia can help you |
| 20:30.44 | smallfoot- | yes Ubuntu is based on Debian but it has Unity which is a adware and spyware that shows u porn if u type ANALyzer |
| 20:30.47 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, it's getting more complex these days with uefi/bios hybrids hehehe |
| 20:30.55 | jhutchins_wk | jagginess: If you don't have a BIOS you pretty much have to do an IPL with toggle switches. |
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| 20:31.11 | yekoms | guess its good i use openbox.. |
| 20:31.12 | jagginess | oh dear ty abrotman :) |
| 20:31.13 | jagginess | heheheh |
| 20:31.19 | abrotman | smallfoot-: i asked you to take the Ubuntu discussion to #ubuntu, good luck with whatever distro you choose |
| 20:31.22 | abrotman | jagginess: you're not far off |
| 20:31.27 | yekoms | unity is crap, and if you dont want that crap, uninstall Zeitgeist-ffs |
| 20:31.30 | jagginess | abrotman, no i did help him |
| 20:31.39 | nsadmin | that computer on War Games had toggle switches! |
| 20:31.42 | jagginess | abrotman, i gave him full instructions for installing debian.. :) |
| 20:31.47 | yekoms | ok, enough of that, i dont wanna get banned here too :/ |
| 20:31.51 | jagginess | so he was trolling afterall |
| 20:31.58 | bazhang | always |
| 20:32.03 | dioz | bazhang |
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| 20:32.21 | bazhang | dioz, #debian-offtopic |
| 20:33.09 | dioz | i was just saying hi guy |
| 20:33.23 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, what is called uefi/efi/bios is becoming fuzzily hard to distinguish with these new hybrids.. the definition is getting convoluted.. |
| 20:33.47 | jhutchins_wk | "The fun thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." |
| 20:33.55 | jagginess | jhutchins_wk, i guess they'll start calling pre-era hybrids.. "legacy EFI, or legacy BIOS"..etc |
| 20:34.22 | confusid | abrotman: if I may pester about inittab Debian does not use the "normal" init run levels anymore? 2 for text and 5 for gui? |
| 20:34.36 | abrotman | confusid: that's a RH-ism |
| 20:34.39 | jhutchins_wk | jagginess:Possibly x86 BIOS would be specific enough. |
| 20:35.04 | abrotman | confusid: in reality, those run levels can be made to be anything .. they have traditional settings, and Debian does not adhere to those by default |
| 20:35.49 | jagginess | confusid, yeah.. that's the rh family, they use rl5 for the gui.. (wikipedia: runlevel describes) |
| 20:36.01 | jagginess | confusid, ,/RH/rl5 |
| 20:36.11 | jagginess | confusid, runlevel5 |
| 20:36.12 | confusid | abrotman: ok so the way you told me would be the most accepted way to start stop gui without removing the packages from the system? |
| 20:36.19 | abrotman | confusid: you can set it to do anything you like .. i've always found it easier to jsut disable the things i don't want to autostart, start them later as needed |
| 20:36.41 | confusid | I used init 2 and 5 for OpenBSD to use gui or not. Thats why I'm asking. |
| 20:36.46 | jagginess | confusid, update-rc.d is one tool to use |
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| 20:37.02 | confusid | Ty for all the info and help!! |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | confusid: and you can use invoke-rc.d to start things, or the init script directly |
| 20:37.33 | confusid | abrotman: ty |
| 20:37.59 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i've forgotten it's name, but do you happen to remember the name of an ncurses service manager by chance? |
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| 20:38.25 | abrotman | zykotick9: rcconf ? |
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| 20:38.37 | jagginess | zykotick9, no such thing.. ncurses doesnt need to run as a service manager.. the ncurses lib should get installed near/or from base-system install |
| 20:39.04 | zykotick9 | abrotman: after install - yup that's the one. thanks. |
| 20:39.20 | jagginess | zykotick9, you asking about TERM= settings stuff? |
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| 20:40.04 | jagginess | is that rcconf supposedly a successor for update-rc.d ? |
| 20:40.22 | ksuhku | just another way to skin a cat |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | jagginess: it has docs |
| 20:40.27 | nsadmin | speaking of conf... does modconf still exist |
| 20:40.36 | jagginess | abrotman, yeah.. i'm seeing its manpage already |
| 20:40.43 | jagginess | "It displays a menu of all the services which |
| 20:40.44 | jagginess | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:40.56 | jagginess | so it has a menu.. but thats about it |
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| 20:42.05 | jagginess | but it's not the only one that has a menu ( i recall there's at least 1 or 2 others-- sys-v-conf or something similar) |
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| 20:44.54 | ksuhku | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 20:53.41 | KsM | I have 4gb of ram but sometimes it reads 38xx, 3776, and currently it's reading 3703mb. I'm guessing some is being shared to the gpu since this is a laptop, and memtest ran fine on my ram, but is there any way I can adjust the amount of ram that is passed off to my gpu? |
| 20:54.09 | nsadmin | what;s a it? |
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| 20:54.43 | tekzilla | KsM: you should be able to set a fixed maximum in your BIOS |
| 20:55.05 | KsM | nsadmin: it = htop |
| 20:55.44 | KsM | and other system monitors read 3.6 or 3.7mb as well |
| 20:55.54 | KsM | s/mb/gb/ |
| 20:56.23 | MrFrood | KsM: x86 or x64 kernel? |
| 20:56.29 | nsadmin | and the reading in htop is the amount of physical ram? or currently unallocated ram? |
| 20:56.31 | KsM | x64 |
| 20:56.48 | KsM | nsadmin: htop reads allocated/total |
| 20:57.07 | KsM | 1298/3703mb currently |
| 20:57.16 | Argafal | hi guys, i got a question. I have a USB to RS232 adapter that I would like to use with Linux. Any chance of doing so? Basically I would like to find a device file that acts just as a physical seriell connector would do |
| 20:57.18 | tekzilla | its clearly sharing ram with the gpu when you get those strange numbers |
| 20:57.20 | nsadmin | does the second number change? |
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| 20:57.39 | homes | Argafal: ive used those from time to time and they worked fine |
| 20:57.49 | homes | Argafal: i forgot the name of the chip, though |
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| 20:57.53 | KsM | nsadmin: sometimes on different OSes or reinstalls I remember it changing |
| 20:57.56 | Argafal | homes: How do you find them |
| 20:58.06 | KsM | That's why I was wondering if it was something I could change |
| 20:58.20 | damacus | units with PL2303 are generally safe bets |
| 20:58.22 | nsadmin | oh ok, so it doesn't change during a single session between adjacent reboots? |
| 20:58.26 | Argafal | gosh. i'm so stupid. How could I have not seen that: usb 2-1.2: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB3 |
| 20:58.28 | homes | Argafal: fine. |
| 20:58.43 | jagginess | KsM, what tekzilla said.. maybe your laptop allows you to change things in its bios for this |
| 20:58.49 | Argafal | So then the remaining quesiton is why doesn't it work. but that might just as well be the device. |
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| 20:59.10 | KsM | nsadmin: I think it changed a couple times during reboots so far but never while it was running |
| 20:59.27 | nsadmin | ahh, ok |
| 20:59.36 | KsM | jagginess: there is no option in my bios for that, it's got very little settings in there |
| 20:59.41 | damacus | afx: /dev/ttyUSB3 isn't working for you? |
| 20:59.45 | damacus | looks like it's ready to go... |
| 20:59.54 | damacus | err.. Argafal |
| 21:00.21 | nutron | How do I ensure that all shared NFS devices stop being shared on the server? Is this a simple service I can stop or is it nfs-kernel, rpc, portmap etc? |
| 21:00.51 | tekzilla | nutron: stop nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:00.59 | nutron | that's it? =) really? |
| 21:01.07 | tekzilla | why not :) |
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| 21:01.48 | jhutchins_wk | tekzilla: It's understood that you'll sometimes want to do that, so it's pretty simple. The other services are handled as dependencies. |
| 21:01.52 | damacus | Argafal: can use setserial to configure the device as needed, then eg screen /dev/ttyUSB3 to access |
| 21:02.00 | damacus | default settings are 9600 8N1 |
| 21:02.03 | nutron | I don't know... nfs feels 80's and needs special fondling... like... it never got the message that neon is now uncool... |
| 21:02.14 | jhutchins_wk | tekzilla: Mind you, there's no guarantee that the remote system that you just pulled the partition out from under will handle it gracefully. |
| 21:02.29 | tekzilla | jhutchins_wk: most likely, it will not |
| 21:02.34 | jhutchins_wk | er, that was meant for nutron. |
| 21:02.36 | tekzilla | but what can you do about that |
| 21:02.48 | jhutchins_wk | tekzilla: hammer. |
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| 21:03.12 | Argafal | damacus: 9600 baud, 8 data pits, 1 stop bit, no parity? |
| 21:03.21 | Spec | Is there a document describing Debian's policy on when it updates the kernel in the stable branch? |
| 21:03.29 | jhutchins_wk | tekzilla: Or an ssh for loop that unmounts the remote shares before it takes down the service. |
| 21:03.36 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: Sorry, real life for me too so I haven't made any progress. I wonder if a Live CD would work and then mount /dev/something? |
| 21:03.38 | nutron | jhutchins_wk: yeah I know, I fear the NFS... |
| 21:04.25 | jhutchins_wk | jxself: If you can find a live CD for ppc, yeah, as long as it understands linux you should be ok. |
| 21:04.42 | jhutchins_wk | nutron: We automount home dirs using NFD and NIS. |
| 21:05.35 | jhutchins_wk | s/NFD/NFS |
| 21:05.48 | damacus | Argafal: right |
| 21:06.04 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: It appears that Ubuntu has one. Downloading that... |
| 21:06.13 | damacus | Argafal: btw, I was wrong re. setserial. you can affect most of those settings using screen itself |
| 21:06.19 | damacus | which passes args to stty |
| 21:06.39 | apm1 | jxself, it's so good to see you here :) |
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| 21:07.10 | jxself | Hello apm1. |
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| 21:07.41 | apm1 | jxself, hi , left trisquel ? well i jumped the boat to debian :p |
| 21:08.28 | jxself | apm1: Not at all but I'm having some problems with one of my last Debian machines. |
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| 21:10.18 | Reflector666 | hey |
| 21:10.27 | Reflector666 | how are you doing babyes? |
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| 21:11.02 | sney | Reflector666: this is a support channel for Debian users, do you have a question |
| 21:11.15 | Reflector666 | yes |
| 21:11.19 | jagginess | jxself, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/index.html.en |
| 21:11.21 | Reflector666 | i have a question |
| 21:11.33 | Argafal | damacus: thanks |
| 21:11.48 | jxself | jagginess: Yes? |
| 21:11.58 | Reflector666 | is it hard to fuck girl in ass?? please explain...i'm a new one in fucking |
| 21:12.16 | jagginess | !ops Reflector666 |
| 21:12.27 | nsadmin | %ops Reflector666 |
| 21:12.27 | dselect | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: Reflector666 |
| 21:12.40 | nsadmin | dpkg seems mia |
| 21:12.54 | Hydroxide | !abk Reflector666 |
| 21:12.57 | Hydroxide | gerrr |
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| 21:13.08 | jagginess | claps |
| 21:13.10 | jagginess | yay |
| 21:13.28 | apm1 | trolls should be nuked :p |
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| 21:13.39 | nsadmin | Hydroxide, tns |
| 21:13.41 | Hydroxide | np |
| 21:13.41 | jagginess | jxself, wondering are you able to boot via cd, or you have to do the floppy disk method first? |
| 21:13.56 | jxself | jagginess: I boot via CD. |
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| 21:14.16 | jxself | jagginess: In theory USB booting is also supported but I'v never tried it |
| 21:14.20 | jagginess | jxself, cuse i'm seeing someone posted setting up wheezy on a ppc ( http://ppcluddite.blogspot.de/2012/03/installing-debian-linux-on-ppc-part-i.html ) |
| 21:15.11 | confusid1 | using kvm, is there a way to force where it wants to place the vm.img files? Instead of using /var/lib/libvirt/images/test.img I have 2 gigs total in that partition. I'd like to use /home/kvmimages/test.img |
| 21:15.16 | jagginess | jxself, you've probably bookmarked these places, but just in case letting you know some folks still use ppc |
| 21:15.16 | jxself | jagginess: Thanks, I'll look at it. |
| 21:15.21 | jhutchins_wk | dondelcarlo seems mia as well. |
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| 21:15.48 | apm1 | can i get help setting up a switch for 3 debian running laptops ? |
| 21:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: ln -s /home/kvmimages/ /var/lib/libvirt/images |
| 21:16.29 | nsadmin | switch? just hook em up |
| 21:16.56 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: You'll have to move/remove the original images directory first. |
| 21:16.57 | apm1 | nsadmin, and i don't have to do anything in network manager ? |
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| 21:17.06 | jxself | jagginess: Their procedure involves erasing the entire drive, which I'd like to avoid as I want the information on it. |
| 21:17.10 | nsadmin | apm1, so right now you have how many machines on your net? |
| 21:17.11 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: Were you asking about runlevels earlier? |
| 21:17.12 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: ugh.. I feal a bit stupid.. creating alink didn't cross my mind. TY! |
| 21:17.20 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: yes that was me |
| 21:17.26 | apm1 | nsadmin, 1 |
| 21:17.42 | nsadmin | ok, this one machine, has a wired connection? |
| 21:17.57 | apm1 | no it's a mobile broadband |
| 21:18.19 | jhutchins_wk | 0,1 and 6 are the same (halt/single/reboot), but the rest are identical unless you customize them. You can set them up however you want, but they don't default to the RH style sysv conventions. |
| 21:18.38 | nsadmin | sp you want to share that connection with a wired connection which goes to a switch? |
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| 21:19.31 | KsM | nsadmin: apparently my card can adjust the amount of ram it uses. |
| 21:19.39 | apm1 | nsadmin, no i want to share a mobile broadband connection on 3 laptops all connected via a unmanged switch |
| 21:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: Highly unlikely. |
| 21:20.16 | nsadmin | KsM, ahh, so you found why it varies (or at least one source of the variance) |
| 21:20.44 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: the thing that was throwing me off. I have not used ubuntu but in OpenBSD I used the inits to allow text or gui. The way abrotman said to just start or stop looks to be the cleanest way and to keep the installed packages. ty |
| 21:20.48 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: The switch would have to manage the connection for the AP. |
| 21:20.52 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, even if you install something like ipmasq? |
| 21:21.18 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: You can also build a text-only runlevel, whichever you prefer. |
| 21:21.38 | apm1 | jhutchins_wk, AP ? |
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| 21:22.04 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: the device for the broadband connection (Access Point). |
| 21:22.16 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: would that be done with grub? I googled and found a few texts on forcing from the start a text level or do you mean creating a runlevel as in the 2 - 5? |
| 21:22.16 | ispireme | is away (//ispire.me) |
| 21:22.40 | apm1 | jhutchins_wk, ok :( |
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| 21:23.03 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: You use something like rcconf to turn things on and off in the different levels, then inittab to set the default runlevel, and you can change it from the grub command line. |
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| 21:23.27 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: ty I have a lot more reading to do :) |
| 21:23.54 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: Many routers would allow you to do this, and you could do it with linux on one of the laptops. |
| 21:24.15 | KsM | nsadmin: apparently it should be ok for it to change while it's running (although I've never seen it do that), but there's nothing in the driver (i915) that allows the user to change the amount of ram used? |
| 21:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: Which makes start/stop gdm look pretty attractive. |
| 21:24.30 | apm1 | jhutchins_wk, i have debian on all 3 laptops |
| 21:24.35 | nuffigel | hey guys, so I wanted to switch my installed cron for fcron. However, logrotate seems not to like this choice, it depends on "cron", "anacron", or "cron-daemon". I thought that fcron _is_ a cron daemon. Am I mistaken? |
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| 21:25.32 | jhutchins_wk | nuffigel: Unless fcron provides cron either as an alias or meets a "provides" statement for logrotate you would have to have cron installed. It would not necessarily have to be running. |
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| 21:26.10 | jhutchins_wk | nuffigel: logrotate probably never heard of fcron and has no idea what it is. |
| 21:26.30 | AlexLikeRock | any one , can tell me health of this HDD http://picpaste.com/pics/HDD-250-7Nh5RMtX.1350422309.png |
| 21:26.33 | nuffigel | jhutchins_wk: and the fcron deb packages doesn't "provide" cron-daemon |
| 21:26.35 | apm1 | jhutchins_wk, i am running debian on all 3 how do i share the connection without a router using only a switch and the laptops ? |
| 21:26.51 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, what if the machine connected to the mobile broadband could have router software (like what ipmasq used to be)? |
| 21:27.04 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: Exactly. |
| 21:27.16 | nsadmin | that would work, right? |
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| 21:27.17 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: ipmasquerade |
| 21:27.27 | nuffigel | jhutchins_wk: sounds like I should file a bug report with debian so that the fcron deb "provides" cron-daemon... |
| 21:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | ipmasq is the dhcp/dns thingie. |
| 21:27.39 | nsadmin | that's a package name? |
| 21:27.49 | apm1 | !info ipmasquerade |
| 21:27.58 | nsadmin | & |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins_wk | nuffigel: If fcron's fully supported in Debian then yeah, wouldn't hurt. Probably file it in wheezy if you can, more likely to get fixed. |
| 21:28.08 | nsadmin | err comma |
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| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: ipmasquerade is an iptables thing. |
| 21:28.27 | nuffigel | jhutchins_wk: alright, thanks |
| 21:28.48 | nsadmin | , info ipmasq |
| 21:28.49 | judd | No package named 'ipmasq' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 21:28.58 | apm1 | lcafiero, hi :) |
| 21:29.00 | jhutchins_wk | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:29.02 | nsadmin | , v ipmasq |
| 21:29.03 | judd | Package: ipmasq on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
| 21:29.08 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: I removed the /var/lib/libvirt/images directory and created the symlink so /var/lib/libvirt/images/ is directed to /home/confusid/kvmimages/ I am getting not the lack of storage pool size but " internal error storage is not active " I think it is something I am doing wrong or missing. any ideas? |
| 21:29.43 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: Some things are reluctant to follow symlinks. Is the symlink working? |
| 21:29.47 | nsadmin | that ipmasq used to be a very nice iptables (and earlier) router builder |
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| 21:30.12 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, I think I'm thinking of dnsmasq |
| 21:30.14 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: when I do ls -la in /home/confusid I see images -. /var/lib/libvirt/images/ |
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| 21:30.42 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, oh, ok... in case you're curious, I foreported ipmasq |
| 21:30.45 | ircnode0 | somebody know what i need to demultiplex stream? Got error trying to open a video: "Could not demultiplex stream." |
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| 21:31.07 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: can you write a file to /var/lib/libvert/images and have it show up in the other dir? (touch /var/lib/libvert/images/foo |
| 21:31.10 | makeio | Hi |
| 21:31.49 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: Nah, I use dd-wrt these days. Used to build sho routers on old PCs. |
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| 21:32.33 | nuffigel | jhutchins_wk: whoa, bugs are reported by _email_? |
| 21:32.40 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: In fact, I used diald and built routers for dial-up ISPs. |
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| 21:33.10 | jhutchins_wk | nuffigel: Welcome to the 21st century. Debian at your service. |
| 21:33.21 | nuffigel | oh my, how old is bugzilla? |
| 21:33.36 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: yes I see it in both directories |
| 21:33.38 | jagginess | nuffigel, as old as godzilla |
| 21:34.20 | nuffigel | not old enuff to be used by Debian? :P |
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| 21:34.48 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: also just recreated the /var/lib/libvirt/images directory and same error. I think there is something else wrong. Something I did. I'll google a bit more on this, kvm is something I've not been able to have working in the last 2 weeks. |
| 21:35.23 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: permissions/ownership? |
| 21:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: Next time you will build with one partition + swap, yes? |
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| 21:36.09 | SYN4PS3 | after installing PhpMyAdmin , at the login page it show an error at the buttum of page: "The mysqli extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration." |
| 21:36.19 | confusid1 | shows as root for /var/lib/libvirt/images that may be it |
| 21:38.01 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: iirc the symlink will always be root:root a+wrx, but the target needs correct perminssions. |
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| 21:38.49 | jhutchins_wk | SYN4PS3: Did you install php-mysql? |
| 21:39.08 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: target has me as owner and i also used cmd line with su - then virt-manager to force run as root and same error. I'll do more googling then mess with it more. Ty for the help! |
| 21:39.43 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: Good luck! Please drop in and let us know what worked if you can. |
| 21:40.03 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: will do. Will be back on in the morning and working on this lappy :) |
| 21:40.33 | jhutchins_wk | confusid1: You might also find someone who knows kvm better earlier in the day, or a dedicated kvm channel. |
| 21:40.38 | SYN4PS3 | jhutchins_wk, no, isn't it a phpmyadmin dependency and installed automaticly? |
| 21:40.48 | confusid1 | jhutchins_wk: ty |
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| 21:49.32 | sliddjur | how do I show what charset i am using_ |
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| 21:51.31 | LinuX2half | Does anyone know how to setup wifi interface configuration through /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:52.11 | sney | dselect: anyone |
| 21:52.12 | dselect | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:54.55 | nuffigel | sney: you guys need a link to http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html in the topic ^^ |
| 21:55.15 | sney | it's in a few of the bot factoids already |
| 21:55.23 | sney | but that topic is over capacity already |
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| 21:55.40 | nuffigel | ya true, I wasn't entirely serious anyways :] |
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| 21:58.23 | jhutchins_wk | http://framework.latimes.com/2012/10/15/time-lapse-video-space-shuttle-endeavours-trek-across-l-a/ |
| 21:59.03 | jhutchins_wk | SYN4PS3: Is it installed? |
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| 22:00.36 | jhutchins_wk | LinuX2half: THere's a good page about it on the wiki, there's a good manpage on your system. |
| 22:00.54 | jhutchins_wk | LinuX2half: Unfortunately our factoid bot is down, he has some good advice. |
| 22:00.59 | jhutchins_wk | dselect: interfaces? |
| 22:01.00 | dselect | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 22:07.21 | peterrooney | dselect is so 20th century |
| 22:07.21 | dselect | bugger all, i dunno, peterrooney |
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| 22:07.37 | dselect | sulks |
| 22:07.42 | peterS | dselect wins |
| 22:07.42 | dselect | The Windows Internet Name Service (WINS) is Microsoft's implementation of NetBIOS Name Service. For a WINS implementation on Unix-like systems, ask me about <samba>. |
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| 22:17.04 | simonlnu | hehe, sure does, sort of |
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| 22:23.22 | jxself | jhutchins_wk: I couldn't get the machine to boot from USB so I resorted to using Target Disk Mode and it appears to work. |
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| 22:23.58 | jxself | A 256MB ext3 "file system" appeared on my desktop. |
| 22:24.39 | jxself | And Gnome's disk utility reorts that there is a 120GB LVM2 physical volume present on the drive. |
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| 22:24.46 | jxself | Not sure how I go about mounting this. |
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| 22:27.17 | Linux_ | I'm not sure how do you use the /etc/network/interface. |
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| 22:28.12 | Linux_ | Not of the wikis or document I found were useful on how to configure it. |
| 22:28.19 | Linux_ | NOtonotewa |
| 22:29.05 | Linux_ | The current ifstate is lo=lo |
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| 22:43.07 | PRabyte | hey gotta a quick question: how do i remove a program i installed with tar -xzvf whatever.tar. i know i can remove this dir. however, it created dirs all over the place. is there a way i can remove quickly and simply ./configure --prefix=/etc/whatever this time? |
| 22:43.50 | avar | depending on where you installed it one thing that can work is to get a list of things that aren't owned by any known package |
| 22:44.00 | avar | find . -type f -exec dpkg -S {} \; ... |
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| 22:47.52 | micket1 | PRabyte: If its a well behaved program, it might include a an uninstall version "make uninstall" |
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| 22:48.15 | PRabyte | its a wounded step child, no uninstall in tar source... sighs... |
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| 22:48.40 | PRabyte | you would think with nagios in the name of the tar, it would lol |
| 22:48.58 | nsadmin | running wheezy, how can I do x forwarding over ssh (ssh root@localhost, then (say) xeyes) |
| 22:49.21 | PRabyte | ssh -x should work,,, |
| 22:49.23 | PRabyte | or up |
| 22:49.26 | PRabyte | opps ssh -X |
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| 22:49.56 | nsadmin | PRabyte, that method of install is not in debian (but you can do it if you want... results not supported in any way) |
| 22:50.01 | themill | nsadmin: btw, have you never seen anyone ask that question in channel before? |
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| 22:51.00 | nsadmin | themill, maybe, don't recall... in any case it's the first time I've encountered the situation having installed the wheezy last week or so |
| 22:51.20 | nsadmin | I'd appreciate knowing what the relevent changes were |
| 22:51.22 | themill | umm... that's not changed in the last 5, 10 or even 20 years. |
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| 22:51.34 | nsadmin | hmm, then I missed something |
| 22:51.35 | themill | (ok, 20 might be an exaggeration there.... 15) |
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| 22:52.25 | nsadmin | I installed xbase-clients, tried installing xauth by itself, looking at sshd_config, shows it already allows x forearding |
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| 22:53.09 | nsadmin | didn't Brandon arrange for x to run under an ssh-agent much more recently than 15 years ago? |
| 22:53.31 | themill | ssh-agent has nothing to do with this |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:54.25 | nsadmin | actually, it does... if X runs under an ssh-agent, then sshing into that machine would allow forwarding without -x |
| 22:54.39 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: no, it wouldn't. |
| 22:54.50 | nsadmin | then why would it work? |
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| 22:55.16 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: because you had ForwardX11 yes or something similar |
| 22:55.23 | nsadmin | and if that's true, then what is required for it to work? |
| 22:55.38 | nsadmin | ok, checking... I think it was already, but still, checking |
| 22:55.53 | dondelelcaro | if you want X forwarding, you need xauth, and you need to use ssh -X. |
| 22:56.41 | dondelelcaro | (note that that is xauth on the machine you are ssh-ing to) |
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| 22:57.22 | nsadmin | I do have X11Forwarding yes, I already had xbase-clients and xauth installed (already), |
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| 22:57.43 | abrotman | so where's the confusion? |
| 22:58.03 | nsadmin | why it doesn't work (not so much that as what's changed) |
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| 22:58.42 | abrotman | you have no errors to share? |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | no logs? no messages? just "doesn't work" (/msg dpkg doesn't work" |
| 22:58.57 | abrotman | ) |
| 22:59.28 | nsadmin | well it looks like when I try to run an x client, I get: |
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| 22:59.43 | nsadmin | (mousepad:19292): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:00.05 | nsadmin | wait maybe it's "terminal" |
| 23:01.03 | themill | sounds like you didn't ssh -X there |
| 23:02.06 | nsadmin | what's changed to make that a requirement? was not before |
| 23:02.19 | themill | it most definitely was |
| 23:02.43 | nsadmin | I did it thousands of times, not once using -X |
| 23:02.59 | nsadmin | so, what's changed? |
| 23:03.10 | themill | the only way that would work was if you were manually setting DISPLAY and manually exported your xauth. |
| 23:03.28 | nsadmin | let me try something... |
| 23:03.44 | nsadmin | maybe "terminal" does not do those things, but xterm does |
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| 23:03.55 | themill | So the only thing that has changed is that you haven't done some other ugly hacks that actually made ssh -X unnecessary at all. |
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| 23:05.11 | nsadmin | themill, those "ugly hacks" were simply installing xauth and xbase-clients and altering sshd_config |
| 23:05.17 | nsadmin | and restarting sshd |
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| 23:05.32 | themill | in which case you'd need ssh -X. |
| 23:05.58 | PRabyte | ssh -X |
| 23:06.04 | nsadmin | I think I found it... forgot ssh_config |
| 23:06.11 | themill | unless you stuck "ForwardX11 yes" into a config file somewhere. |
| 23:06.14 | PRabyte | sshd_config - allow forwarding, simple |
| 23:06.23 | themill | in any case, nothing has changed here... |
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| 23:08.00 | nsadmin | themill & et al, you're right, it's not been changed, I forgot the ssh client config |
| 23:08.39 | nsadmin | PRabyte, and ssh_config |
| 23:08.51 | themill | that's not necessary |
| 23:09.10 | PRabyte | mine works cuz i configured it right the first time, havent looked at it since ;) |
| 23:09.13 | PRabyte | man page it |
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| 23:11.26 | pato83 | Hi, I am trying to install wheezy on btrfs. I created one partition with btrfs over whole disk. Then I created two dirs (no subvolumes), active and snapshots. Well, they are self-describing I guess. Under active I created directory called users, where every user will have his own home. So the subvolumes are active/sysroot and active/users/any_user . I can mount everything just fine and also install whole system. Almost. When it come |
| 23:11.47 | pato83 | ... with message "cannot find a device for /boot/grub" |
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| 23:12.50 | pato83 | Well, maybe it is not supported by grub, but I can mount it, install the system, everything except grub, which is quite important. :) |
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| 23:14.38 | nsadmin | pato83, you can't install onto the drive's MBR? |
| 23:15.15 | pato83 | No, i can't. Everytime I try that, it fails whit the message written before |
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| 23:16.45 | nsadmin | how exactly do you try? |
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| 23:20.01 | nsadmin | pato83, how exactly do you try? |
| 23:20.17 | pato83 | I follow all the steps during the installation disks detection is done. I also have to run partitioning, but it is only to avoid complaints from installer about not passing that step. So, when the disk is partitioned I switch to tty2 and unmount /target . After that I use frisk, create new partition over whole disk. |
| 23:20.54 | PRabyte | tanks |
| 23:20.55 | PRabyte | l8 |
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| 23:21.20 | nsadmin | pato83, so you run the entire install again? |
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| 23:22.34 | pato83 | Then I create filesystem using mkfs.btrfs which is btrfs root. Then i create basically tree I want to have containing subvolumes and subdirectories to btrfs root and mount everyting back on target, so installation can continue. And it does. |
| 23:23.15 | pato83 | do you mean like now ? No, I am stuck at installing grub. |
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| 23:23.40 | pato83 | nsadmin: oh, sorry. :D |
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| 23:24.39 | nsadmin | ok... do you happen to have another installation that uses grub? maybe an0ther debian? |
| 23:25.35 | pato83 | nsadmin: No, I dont run installation again after "tricking" installer with unmounting, recreating fs and mounting it back. I just carry on with installing base system which is the very next step. |
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| 23:26.47 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of this install? what do you want to do with the machine? |
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| 23:27.05 | abrotman | pato83: are you sure the grub in wheezy supports / on btrfs? |
| 23:27.17 | nsadmin | also how large is the hd you're installing onto? |
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| 23:29.18 | pato83 | abrotman: Yes, in that point I am completely sure. I just seems to have problems when in path to system root is directory like this btrfs_root/directory/subvolume and I want to use subvolume for system root. Hope you know what I mean. |
| 23:30.51 | pato83 | nsadmin: it is samsung 128GB. The purpose is nothing but learning and I would love to use rollback feature of btrfs. It seems to be just great. Just get it all work. :) |
| 23:31.41 | case` | have installed sid on a small netbook... am looking for a lightweight dock manager to run with lxde... ant suggs? |
| 23:31.46 | nsadmin | oh ok, first off I hope you find out what's up with this, and mostly hope you have a lot of fun with it |
| 23:32.17 | case` | *any |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | dock manager? |
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| 23:33.07 | case` | sry, something like cairo dock... only lighter |
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| 23:33.19 | pato83 | abrotman: Before I tried btrfs_root/directory/subvolume I used btrfs_root/subvolume and everything was just great. No problem whatsoever. That is the reason why I am suspicious about that directory between btrfs root and subvolume. |
| 23:33.34 | case` | cairo drains precious resources |
| 23:34.49 | case` | have heard "plank" is ok, just couldn't find a link anywhere |
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| 23:35.27 | pato83 | nsadmin: I will sort it out somehow I am sure. Yes, i am having a fun and thanks for your help. |
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| 23:38.56 | nsadmin | pato83, -maybe- you can experiment with btrfs by using it for other than / in this (let's call it a throwaway) installation... you could have it running, have it booting and be able to experiemnt with btrfs and not have btrfs effectively block you from booting... if that's what the problem turns out to be |
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| 23:44.31 | Mee | How do you create /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | with an editor |
| 23:44.58 | Mee | I've tried using vi /etc/resolv.conf, which it creates in the temp file. |
| 23:45.26 | asturel | touch /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:45.40 | asturel | but u have to do it as root |
| 23:46.10 | nsadmin | maybe your debian thinks you don't have permission to write in /etc |
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| 23:47.55 | pato83 | nsadmin: yes, I can do that your way or better said, the way you suggest. Now it is too late, but tomorrow I will try to use subvolumes instead of directories to keep other subvolumes and see whether it will confirm that the problem is in directories in the path to (at least) / . At least I have 2 solutions which should work and one I wants to get work. |
| 23:48.13 | Mee | Ok,got iy |
| 23:48.23 | Mee | the file was created after i went su |
| 23:48.38 | pato83 | nsadmin: Thank you very much indeed and bey. I gotta go. |
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| 23:50.56 | shylow | hey guys im looking for an email server to install with roundcube |
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| 23:53.36 | nsadmin | shylow, do the docs for roundcube have any suggestions? |
| 23:54.58 | shylow | nope |
| 23:56.35 | Mee | I'm receiving no dhchpoffers and no working leases in persistent database, what could be wrong? I have created the resolv.conf file which would erase the conflict of DNS. |
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| 23:58.10 | Mee | when I went to the browser, it said "cannot resolve hostname". |
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