| 00:00.03 | jagginess | d4sh, y, that'll be fine |
| 00:00.23 | jagginess | d4sh, you can also say X or x11 |
| 00:00.30 | jagginess | d4sh, or even xorg |
| 00:00.36 | d4sh | right, thanks |
| 00:00.42 | jagginess | d4sh, (cuse that's where it's from, ->http://x.org ) |
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| 00:02.47 | MrFrood | d4sh: just untick X when you get to that point in the install |
| 00:03.03 | pclov3r | d4sh How old just curious |
| 00:03.37 | MrFrood | notatroll: do you want to boot from the usb drive? |
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| 00:05.41 | notatroll | MrFrood, yes |
| 00:05.55 | MrFrood | !usbboot |
| 00:05.57 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 00:06.02 | MrFrood | necronian: ^^^ |
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| 00:06.19 | MrFrood | er notatroll , sorry necronian |
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| 00:06.56 | jagginess | ah usb boot.. a little something goes like this-> .. cat debian.iso > /dev/USBDRIVE (replace usbdrive without mistakes here-- it'll be wiped out) |
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| 00:07.23 | notatroll | MrFrood, not helpful... i just want to know how to get that img on a ext4 format... |
| 00:07.35 | jagginess | notatroll, you mean ".iso" ? |
| 00:08.10 | jagginess | notatroll, you can rawrite .iso images in windows too with the tool dpkg said |
| 00:08.27 | MrFrood | notatroll: if you just copy it over onto ext4 it still be an iso file |
| 00:08.43 | jagginess | notatroll, if you're in windows you need a rawwriter.. |
| 00:09.02 | jagginess | notatroll, if you don't like the "idea" of this, you'll have to do more steps with pendrive or unetbootin |
| 00:09.59 | notatroll | jagginess, windows?? i dont have windows... |
| 00:10.26 | notatroll | i have a debian live as img and would like to get it on the disk on a ext 4 not a fat |
| 00:10.27 | jagginess | notatroll, then why you complainging about transferring an img to ext4? |
| 00:10.40 | notatroll | just pull over? |
| 00:11.02 | jagginess | notatroll, that's not part of the #debian project.. there's another channel for the debian-live-cd |
| 00:11.04 | notatroll | jagginess, sry i have very poor knowledge about .img... |
| 00:11.16 | notatroll | let me guess... empty? |
| 00:11.48 | notatroll | well there is not |
| 00:11.52 | jagginess | notatroll, i dont know the procedure with debian-live (it's not part of the debian project).. but probably pendrive can work with that .iso |
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| 00:12.03 | jagginess | notatroll, (or unetbootin) |
| 00:12.31 | MrFrood | notatroll: #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 00:13.16 | jagginess | notatroll, it says they're hybrid formats (i'm reading on http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ), so basically you can dump the image to usb and it'll boot |
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| 00:14.18 | jagginess | notatroll, you have to be superuser to do it |
| 00:16.13 | notatroll | i just made some debian-live with some program called magic-usb or so.... i am not sure if it is what i want... to be honest im quite lost |
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| 00:17.32 | notatroll | i just want a usual debian on an usb stick and dont know how to do it :S |
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| 00:18.51 | jagginess | notatroll, i told you already |
| 00:18.56 | jagginess | notatroll, f csakes |
| 00:19.06 | jagginess | like 10 minutes ago |
| 00:19.18 | jagginess | cat debian.iso > /dev/YOURUSB (your usb will be wiped out) |
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| 00:19.27 | jagginess | you have to be superuser (aka root user) |
| 00:19.32 | notatroll | i dont have a iso |
| 00:19.36 | notatroll | its a img |
| 00:19.40 | jagginess | make sure nothing of the usb is mounted.. (mount<enter> lists mountpoints) |
| 00:19.47 | jagginess | same thing |
| 00:19.54 | notatroll | im currently doing it with dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sdg |
| 00:20.20 | notatroll | but then its fat formated... it deletes the stick and makes a fat... |
| 00:20.26 | jagginess | that'll take *foreever likely if it's using a bs=512 bytes |
| 00:20.29 | jagginess | (forever |
| 00:20.47 | jagginess | it finished? so try booting it |
| 00:21.00 | notatroll | its running (forever) |
| 00:21.16 | notatroll | actually it just finished i try it now |
| 00:21.25 | jagginess | so ctl-c, break the copying process |
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| 00:22.13 | notatroll | jagginess, i tell u exactly what i want: |
| 00:22.22 | jagginess | notatroll, not interested |
| 00:23.08 | notatroll | usb stick formated like that |ntfs for data..............| ext4 with a deb| |
| 00:23.32 | jagginess | notatroll, download debian and install it to usb. duh. |
| 00:23.55 | jagginess | -_- |
| 00:24.14 | notatroll | thats what my first attempt was then people here tould me debian live will run sooo much faster |
| 00:24.22 | jagginess | i have no idea on that |
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| 00:24.45 | jagginess | then dont use a cheap usb. |
| 00:24.57 | jagginess | you just have to know where to shop for good usb |
| 00:25.12 | jagginess | (if you can afford it MWHAHAHAHAHAHAH) |
| 00:25.38 | notatroll | now i started the img and have a "install" button right on the mittle of my debian i never want to install to harddisks |
| 00:25.43 | notatroll | its freakin retarded |
| 00:25.57 | jagginess | notatroll, that's not debian.. i think you're retarded.. i already told you 3 times |
| 00:26.26 | jagginess | notatroll, debian-live is not part of debian |
| 00:26.32 | jagginess | like 4th time |
| 00:26.57 | nuffigel | oO is it mornal that /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper is owned by root:sambashare? |
| 00:27.02 | nuffigel | how did that happen? |
| 00:27.07 | nuffigel | *normal |
| 00:28.12 | notatroll | jagginess, awsome so u tell me asking in a empty #debian-live chennel on debian will give me more help? |
| 00:28.25 | notatroll | go there... its empty! |
| 00:28.54 | jagginess | notatroll, i didnt even have to answer you .. you're beginning to be a real nuissance |
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| 00:29.23 | notatroll | no u dont |
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| 00:30.36 | wad | What's the currently recommended way to get a debian box's clock to be the right time? |
| 00:31.06 | jagginess | wad, if its a dualboot machine, then each OS should use UTC |
| 00:31.12 | wad | Yes. |
| 00:31.16 | wad | It's actually a virtual machine. |
| 00:31.18 | jagginess | wad, maybe the hwclock/ntpdate commands |
| 00:31.22 | wad | It's clock doesn't match the host machine. |
| 00:31.42 | wad | It's off by 3 seconds, which is wreaking havoc with... stuff. |
| 00:32.13 | jagginess | wad, i'm not sure about that.. maybe you want to install the vm-guest-tools and that probably takes care of it (vmwaretools for Vmware machine, Vbox-guest-tools for Vbox machines) |
| 00:32.25 | wad | vbox |
| 00:32.42 | jagginess | wad, it's already in the repos, you install the guest tools within the vm itself |
| 00:32.49 | wad | I'll check, thanks. |
| 00:33.25 | jagginess | wad, a nice thing about the guest tools, is you can share the text clipbaord between the physical and the guest machines |
| 00:33.37 | wad | :) |
| 00:33.42 | jagginess | wad, (you'll have to also "enable" this feature with the machine's settings too) |
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| 01:42.59 | prappl93 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.15 | prappl93 | Is there anything anyone can suggest I do to try and either silence these or fix it? |
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| 01:46.26 | moxie | prappl93, blacklist firewire_ohci |
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| 01:47.50 | prappl93 | moxie, how do I do that? I've not had much experience with blacklisting things |
| 01:48.12 | moxie | i use google |
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| 01:49.17 | LtL | prappl93: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf AND notify linux1394-devel@lists.sf.net |
| 01:50.22 | prappl93 | LtL, any specified way that I should do that? |
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| 01:50.28 | prappl93 | Or just shoot an e-mail? |
| 01:51.12 | kesroesweyth | I'm trying to run a script in cron that does a simple tar pcvzf and it only works when I run it manually. If I schedule it, it starts and fails after compressing about 50MB worth of data. |
| 01:51.29 | LtL | prappl93: hope you don't use your firewire btw. just add the firewire_ohci to the file, its a simple .conf file. |
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| 01:51.50 | prappl93 | LtL, I meant the notify. And no, I have no use for firewire |
| 01:52.23 | LtL | prappl93: copy paste the entire error to the email body. |
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| 01:53.22 | prappl93 | Alright |
| 01:53.30 | LtL | prappl93: that is the email address. fyi |
| 01:53.51 | prappl93 | I know, I was just wondering if there was something built in that would notify for some reason. Haha. |
| 01:54.22 | LtL | prappl93: there is... dmesg |
| 01:54.41 | LtL | prappl93: probably in /var/log/ somewhere too. |
| 01:54.50 | prappl93 | LtL, I meant auto-notify the developers. |
| 01:55.10 | LtL | prappl93: reportbug may do that, not sure. |
| 01:57.30 | LtL | prappl93: check root's mail, it may say something. install mutt/cli program |
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| 01:58.15 | LtL | prappl93: root's mail is forwarded to the initial install user mbox |
| 02:00.32 | prappl93 | Alright. Thanks for the help. I've shot a message to that account. |
| 02:01.00 | LtL | prappl93: :) |
| 02:01.21 | prappl93 | I just switched to Debian from Slackware. |
| 02:01.40 | prappl93 | Still trying to get my bearings on here |
| 02:01.43 | LtL | prappl93: welcome aboard. |
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| 02:04.02 | parcs` | how do i list all the packages that are currently installed on my system that belong to the sid repository? |
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| 02:09.39 | prappl93 | It's taboo for me to add my user to the root list isn't it, even if I'm on a one-user computer? |
| 02:10.31 | sney | it's not recommended to log in as root for day to day stuff, no. |
| 02:10.33 | McLovin926 | prappl93, you can add yourself to the sudo group, but I wouldn't add to the root group |
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| 02:10.47 | sney | a lot of applications won't work properly if not run as a regular user |
| 02:10.57 | prappl93 | Gotcha |
| 02:11.06 | sney | so just use a regular account and sudo or su the system maintenance stuff |
| 02:11.20 | McLovin926 | I use sudo myself |
| 02:11.22 | prappl93 | I just get too lazy to su/sudo all the time. Lmao |
| 02:11.27 | McLovin926 | never have an issue |
| 02:11.47 | prappl93 | May just use another term perma-logged in as Root if need be |
| 02:11.48 | McLovin926 | you can add yourself to sudo and make it so you don't have to enter a password to do sudo things |
| 02:12.11 | prappl93 | McLovin, howso? |
| 02:12.35 | LtL | prappl93: you can edit sudoers with visudu and skip the group business. |
| 02:12.39 | McLovin926 | you have to edit the sudoers file |
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| 02:12.47 | k00n | prappl93: look for NOPASSWD in man sudoers |
| 02:12.52 | prappl93 | I added myself to the sudoer file, but that password thing. Alright |
| 02:13.02 | LtL | prappl93: correction, 'visudo' |
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| 02:13.20 | prappl93 | LtL, that was one of the first things I did when I set up my system. |
| 02:13.27 | McLovin926 | I do it like this, EDITOR=nano visudo |
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| 02:14.14 | LtL | but vi is fun! |
| 02:14.17 | gnarface | sets EDITOR to emacs |
| 02:14.19 | McLovin926 | and add NOPASSWD: ALL to the end |
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| 02:14.43 | LtL | emacs = extra fun |
| 02:15.08 | McLovin926 | so mine looks like %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 02:15.14 | LtL | prappl93: i would.nt use that entry myself. |
| 02:15.38 | McLovin926 | but I'm the only one tha uses my system |
| 02:15.51 | McLovin926 | and I'm behind 2 physical firewalls |
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| 02:16.21 | LtL | that'll work :) |
| 02:16.51 | McLovin926 | works for me lol |
| 02:17.16 | McLovin926 | my router has a built in firewall, and I have a smoothwall that I have my server and desktops behind |
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| 02:17.51 | McLovin926 | so if someone does manage to get into my wireless network, they would still have to manage to get through the smoothwall to get to my wired systems |
| 02:18.17 | LtL | McLovin926: sounds secure to me. |
| 02:20.04 | prappl93 | I tried that NOPASSWD: ALL and it screwed my sudoers file. Haha. I think I'll just type it out ;) |
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| 02:21.30 | LtL | prappl93: under the root line enter yourself, under this: rootALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:21.49 | LtL | prappl93: you need a space after the user |
| 02:21.52 | prappl93 | LtL; I did, that works. The NOPASSWD: ALL part did not work |
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| 02:22.07 | k00n | prappl93: %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 02:22.16 | gnarface | oy, the peanut gallery shouting instructions to a first-time editor of sudoers. |
| 02:22.16 | k00n | then add yourself to the sudo group |
| 02:22.37 | gnarface | i swear i've seen this exact scene before |
| 02:22.54 | gnarface | its like abbott and costello reruns you just can't get away from |
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| 02:23.27 | gnarface | someone fucking pastebin something already |
| 02:23.36 | gnarface | line order counts in that file |
| 02:24.25 | sevenfou1k | fellas. Is that OK for amd64 system, that packages for ex. in deborpahn are showing with architecture suffix, like that "libslp1:amd64" ? |
| 02:24.29 | prappl93 | My bad, got it guys. |
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| 02:24.44 | sevenfou1k | s/deborpahn/deborphan/ |
| 02:25.15 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: in dpklg -l ? |
| 02:25.58 | sevenfou1k | yeah, for dpkg listing for some packages it does show arch |
| 02:27.52 | sevenfou1k | I guess that's maybe I'm using some multilibs stuff |
| 02:28.04 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: when you're looking at the whole list it will show you the arch whenever there is ambiguity. somewhere else on that list you have the i386 version of the same package also installed probably. if you're worried you are on an i386 install these commands will be informative: "dpkg --print-architecture" and "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 02:29.06 | sevenfou1k | gnarface: I just wonder why it does show for some packages some significat arch, and for others with the same arch it does not show one |
| 02:30.00 | sevenfou1k | no "--print-foreign-architectures" detected |
| 02:30.11 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: well when you only have one version of a package installed it will be the native version but unless you run the first of those two commands you don't know what your native version IS |
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| 02:32.21 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 02:32.51 | sevenfou1k | "amd64", obviously..what else |
| 02:33.18 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: just making sure |
| 02:33.58 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: it could just as easily have been i386 |
| 02:34.48 | sevenfou1k | how come? |
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| 02:35.14 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: with multiarch you can install foreign packages |
| 02:35.24 | gnarface | sevenfou1k: er, you know... packages from other compatible architectures |
| 02:35.35 | sevenfou1k | yes |
| 02:35.38 | Theodoros | Hello, does anybody know how to disable the lowmemorykiller? |
| 02:36.04 | Theodoros | It keeps killing chromium processes on a 256MB computer |
| 02:36.30 | Theodoros | I've effectively disabled it by setting the adj scores really high but I figure it would be best to keep it from running at all |
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| 02:58.34 | damacus | hrm. how much swap do you have available to the system Theodoros? |
| 02:58.56 | Theodoros | damacus: swap is something like 400 megs |
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| 02:59.38 | Theodoros | at the time it kills it there is maybe 180 MB memory usage and 40 MB swap used |
| 02:59.43 | damacus | not sure what kind of device you have, but if possible, adding more, fast swap would probably be a better course of action. i've only seen the kernel kill things when memory is *really* tight |
| 03:00.00 | damacus | that's.. weird. |
| 03:00.01 | Theodoros | This isn't the OOM killer, it's the lowmemorykiller |
| 03:00.07 | damacus | oh. |
| 03:00.12 | Theodoros | That was first in android and I guess is now in 3.5 |
| 03:00.22 | damacus | no idea then :) |
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| 03:04.05 | Theodoros | here's an example of the source as it looks in ICS https://bitbucket.org/tdmcode/iscream_thunderc-2.6.35-rebase/src/8ec21c67c95c/drivers/staging/android/lowmemorykiller.c |
| 03:04.24 | Theodoros | I'm guessing the only way to keep it from running is a recompile |
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| 03:05.43 | rwp | Surely the low memory killer is on is a Google Android addition and isn't on a normal Linux kernel such as on Debian. |
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| 03:06.04 | rwp | If you want to disable the Linux out of memory killer then disable linux memory overcommit. |
| 03:06.12 | Theodoros | hmm |
| 03:06.46 | rwp | sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2 |
| 03:06.55 | Theodoros | no, it's not the OOM |
| 03:07.24 | Theodoros | Actually the computer that this cropped up on is running ubuntu, but I didn't think they would customize their kernels to this extent |
| 03:07.27 | rwp | But then of course you need sufficient virtual memory (swap) enabled. |
| 03:08.19 | un214 | it's possible to mark a process as immune to OOM |
| 03:08.29 | un214 | I wonder what happens if every process is marked |
| 03:09.21 | peterrooney | un214: then you deserve any error that might happen |
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| 03:10.15 | un214 | if you have disabled overcommit, what happens is things like fork() and malloc() fail |
| 03:10.27 | un214 | but if it's already overcommitted ... |
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| 03:11.05 | Theodoros | the computer boots up with something like 50% of ram already used |
| 03:11.11 | rwp | Hmm... Looks like that might on track for the mainstream Linux kernel. http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/18/173 |
| 03:11.23 | Theodoros | aha |
| 03:11.30 | Theodoros | I knew I remembered reading something like that |
| 03:11.36 | gnarface | Theodoros: what window manager are you using? |
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| 03:11.48 | Theodoros | lxce |
| 03:11.52 | Theodoros | er |
| 03:11.55 | Theodoros | openbox I guess then |
| 03:12.01 | gnarface | hmm |
| 03:12.06 | rwp | un214, You need sufficient VM enabled (swap) or things will not be happy. |
| 03:12.15 | sevenfou1k | lxce must be something new :-) |
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| 03:12.43 | rwp | But at least the application can catch the error in that case. When the OOM hits it is like 'kill -9', it happens in the kernel, it is just removed from the run queue and killed. |
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| 03:13.55 | Theodoros | looking through apt-get source it looks like the file is still in the /staging/android directory and not in /mm proper |
| 03:15.29 | Theodoros | I guess I *could* rebuild the kernel (and all updates) with it off... |
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| 03:16.03 | Theodoros | but I already "fixed" it by setting sky high adj values via rc.local |
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| 03:24.44 | Theodoros | sevenfou1k: I of course meant to say lxde |
| 03:26.59 | dvs | sure sure. ;-P |
| 03:30.01 | damacus | Theodoros: you could also ditch Ubuntu and run the real mccoy. :P |
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| 03:31.08 | Theodoros | if they dive into the deepend with advertising crap then I probably will revert to debian |
| 03:31.39 | damacus | they dive off the deepend with so much stuff |
| 03:31.50 | damacus | half-bakedOS |
| 03:32.45 | Theodoros | huh, debians 3.5.5 source from the experimental branch doesn't include the staging directory |
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| 03:33.48 | Theodoros | wait, it's under drivers, I'm stupid |
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| 03:53.21 | pclov3r | anybody done an AOSP build on debain without a problem? |
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| 04:06.17 | Scramblejams | So today I notice on Sid that when editing a Python file in Emacs, the mode is "Py Outl", while on Wheezy it's "Python". I've also noticed that the auto-indentation is way less cool than before. Anybody know of any package changes to python-mode lately? |
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| 04:07.04 | simonlnu | python outline. there's 2 modes there |
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| 04:08.02 | cbeust | Scramblejams: if you don't get a good answer here, ask #emacs |
| 04:08.04 | Scramblejams | simonlnu: thanks. any idea how i get back to the old way? |
| 04:08.24 | Scramblejams | cbeust: got it, thanks. |
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| 04:19.22 | buu | Yay my server works again |
| 04:20.32 | buu | dondelelcaro: You around? |
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| 04:25.03 | buu | sigh |
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| 04:27.12 | buu | Can anyone provide some insight on dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip write error: Broken pipe |
| 04:27.15 | buu | dpkg-deb: subprocess <decompress> returned error exit status 2 |
| 04:28.35 | rwp | Perhaps out of disk space and so the gzip failed and the error pushed back into dpkg-deb? |
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| 04:29.51 | buu | rwp: / has 68g free |
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| 04:31.55 | JessicaW | trying to make 10gb nic drivers and keeps telling me make is failing. can someone point me in the right direction? http://paste.debian.net/plain/201464 |
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| 04:36.40 | buu | JessicaW: We're doomed |
| 04:36.42 | buu | DOOMED FOREVERS |
| 04:36.59 | JessicaW | oO ? |
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| 04:39.48 | buu | JessicaW: I meant there's no one here. |
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| 04:40.07 | zro | other than mounting each volume, how can i figure which device is which disk? I've got a hotswap bay, but i dont know which /dev/sdX it is. |
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| 04:40.27 | buu | zro: Are they all the same make and model? |
| 04:41.03 | zro | ya :( |
| 04:41.22 | zro | oh wait! no! the one I just happened to put in is not! |
| 04:41.25 | buu | haha |
| 04:41.38 | buu | lspci maybe? |
| 04:41.49 | buu | Or rather dmesg |
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| 04:42.41 | zro | hmmm... |
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| 04:46.42 | buu | Can anyone tell me how to install a much older version of dpkg? |
| 04:47.00 | JessicaW | watch dmesg when you plug it in. |
| 04:47.39 | buu | dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip read error: '<fd:0>: data error' |
| 04:47.42 | buu | THIS IS RUINING MY LIFE |
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| 04:50.53 | zro | ok, for hotswapping a sata drive do i need to do anything other than make sure the volume is not mounted? |
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| 04:51.41 | jagginess | zro, dont touch a cat while doing it |
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| 04:51.45 | jagginess | zro, (static) |
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| 04:52.23 | paul0 | found a bug in gnome 3.4, but not sure which package is about |
| 04:52.51 | jagginess | paul0, what's the bug? |
| 04:52.51 | paul0 | when I remove an account (gtalk for example), logout, I find that it's still active when I login again |
| 04:52.58 | jagginess | oh that |
| 04:53.08 | paul0 | the account is removed only for the session |
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| 04:53.18 | jagginess | paul0, that's part of the logout menu right? |
| 04:53.39 | Areckx | how to use pastebinit or any similar packages? It keeps saying incorrect API |
| 04:53.46 | paul0 | jagginess: what is part of the logout menu? |
| 04:54.17 | jagginess | paul0, there's apps that can dock with the taskbar/panel |
| 04:54.48 | paul0 | it is the empathy account |
| 04:54.49 | jagginess | paul0, (ps aux|grep <username>) can give you a list of binaries running |
| 04:54.53 | jagginess | oh empathy |
| 04:55.08 | jagginess | paul0, what's the binary name with ps aux ? |
| 04:55.49 | paul0 | there is an empathy-accounts |
| 04:55.58 | zro | damnint jagginess ... u said that and now the cats are getting dangerously close to the open box.... |
| 04:56.14 | jagginess | paul0, dpkg -S `which empathy-accounts` , can say what package it's from |
| 04:56.47 | buu | uh |
| 04:56.56 | buu | Should md5sum on my machine return the same result as the mirror's page? |
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| 04:57.10 | jagginess | buu, maybe the webpage is indicating "sha1sum" |
| 04:57.18 | paul0 | yeah, it's the empathy package |
| 04:57.21 | jagginess | buu, sha1sum is another math algorithm app |
| 04:57.23 | buu | jagginess: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/apt/download |
| 04:57.24 | buu | It lists all 3 |
| 04:57.48 | jagginess | buu, so you screwed something up |
| 04:58.02 | jagginess | buu, um |
| 04:58.17 | jagginess | buu, actually the sumslist would be near the exact same directory you downloaded from |
| 04:58.37 | jagginess | buu, it's probably in package index etc |
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| 05:00.27 | jagginess | buu, apt-cache show <packagename> shows the sumslist(can check there too) |
| 05:00.32 | buu | jagginess: You realize that page I linked has a checksum listed? |
| 05:00.40 | buu | Also I just downloaded the same file twice and it had a different checksum |
| 05:00.43 | buu | THIS IS NOT GOOD SIGNS. |
| 05:00.51 | jagginess | buu, y. but i dont know if you're looking at the same thing |
| 05:01.03 | jagginess | download? |
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| 05:01.06 | jagginess | from where? |
| 05:01.39 | buu | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.15.8.13_amd64.deb |
| 05:01.49 | jagginess | i tested it from that page.. i get apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb 8c711202632ceb8f7cd0589634d2d292 which is correct |
| 05:01.59 | buu | I didn't! |
| 05:02.01 | buu | Which is hilarious |
| 05:02.05 | jagginess | (http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb works for me) |
| 05:02.16 | jagginess | well buy a new pc |
| 05:02.23 | jagginess | :) |
| 05:03.01 | jagginess | (http://ftp.us.debian.org 64.50.236.52 ) |
| 05:03.20 | buu | Yeah |
| 05:03.22 | buu | I'm guessing ram? |
| 05:03.45 | jagginess | you get the same ip? |
| 05:04.17 | jagginess | buu, what app are you using to download? |
| 05:04.25 | buu | wget |
| 05:04.39 | jagginess | wheezytesting? |
| 05:04.50 | jagginess | um |
| 05:04.54 | jagginess | "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.15.8.13_amd64.deb |
| 05:04.54 | jagginess | <jagginess> i tested it from that page.. i get apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb 8c7112 |
| 05:04.54 | jagginess | " |
| 05:05.00 | jagginess | that's not apt |
| 05:05.05 | jagginess | unless you made a wrong paste previously |
| 05:05.15 | jagginess | you mentioned dpkg_1.15.8.13_amd64.deb |
| 05:05.17 | jagginess | . |
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| 05:05.41 | jagginess | (you're supposed to download apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb ) |
| 05:05.43 | jagginess | lol |
| 05:05.51 | buu | Sorry, I was trying both |
| 05:05.55 | jagginess | you're trying to fix a system? |
| 05:05.58 | buu | yes |
| 05:06.02 | jagginess | nonono.. the md5 is for apt.deb only |
| 05:06.05 | jagginess | (not dpkg) |
| 05:06.10 | buu | huh? |
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| 05:06.17 | buu | I was using the md5 on the page I downloaded from |
| 05:06.21 | jagginess | "More information on apt_0.8.10.3+squeeze1_amd64.deb:" << |
| 05:06.22 | jagginess | lol |
| 05:06.33 | jagginess | it's not "dpkg_1.15.8.13_amd64.deb" |
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| 05:06.51 | buu | jagginess: Do you have a machine with a couple of gb of ram? Can you run this: p$ time perl -le'my $z="x" x ( 1024 * 1024 * 1024 )' |
| 05:06.58 | buu | without the p$ |
| 05:07.53 | jagginess | pebcak |
| 05:08.13 | buu | It completes on my local machine in 1.5 seconds |
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| 05:16.35 | buu | So |
| 05:16.38 | buu | Time to reinstall the ram |
| 05:16.48 | buu | I'm going to reinstall every single piece of this goddamn server until it works |
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| 05:25.18 | dondelelcaro | buu: still fighting against that hardware? |
| 05:25.20 | buu | So yeah, ram problems. |
| 05:25.22 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yes! |
| 05:25.31 | buu | dondelelcaro: But I got them to replace the ram and it's looking much better |
| 05:25.35 | dondelelcaro | buu: nice |
| 05:25.45 | buu | dondelelcaro: So I had bad ram which corrupted the files dpkg downloaded |
| 05:25.51 | buu | So then dpkg exploded trying to read them |
| 05:26.08 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, that'd do it. And I imagine that this isn't ECC ram or anything remotely enterprisey. |
| 05:26.28 | buu | Well, I'm not sure. It's a colo server, so possible. |
| 05:26.29 | dondelelcaro | surprised that you even got the system to boot at all |
| 05:26.42 | buu | Yeah that is kind of impressive given the sheer amount of memory errors |
| 05:26.56 | buu | dondelelcaro: I ran a perl script that allocated 1gb or ram, works in like 1s locally, took over 6 minutes remotely |
| 05:27.06 | buu | But it's all happy now! |
| 05:28.26 | buu | dondelelcaro: Now, um, can you help me poke at my dns? =] |
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| 05:30.30 | dondelelcaro | buu: what's the problem? |
| 05:31.08 | buu | dondelelcaro: I'm using xname.org with the following config http://scsys.co.uk:8002/210719 using dig @ns0.xname.org isn't returning an A reccord for rmzg.net |
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| 05:31.31 | buu | (The service claimed it loaded my config on ns0) |
| 05:31.35 | jagginess | lol |
| 05:31.36 | jagginess | oh man |
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| 05:32.43 | buu | Maybe this is just my registrar being slow |
| 05:32.58 | buu | Because the NS don't seem to be showing up |
| 05:33.51 | dondelelcaro | buu: do you control ns0.xname.org? [whatever that is isn't resolving the name] |
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| 05:34.26 | dondelelcaro | buu: and ns1 and ns2 don't seem to work at all |
| 05:34.33 | jagginess | lol.. ns donesnt seem to be showin up? man oh man |
| 05:34.39 | buu | dondelelcaro: I don't control it, entirely, I'm using the free dns server at xname.org |
| 05:34.41 | jagginess | ,/nameserver/ |
| 05:34.51 | buu | dondelelcaro: It claimed it loaded my zone filethat I pasted earlier |
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| 05:36.00 | buu | I assume the zonefile looks correct? |
| 05:36.28 | dondelelcaro | buu: the zonefile looks fine to me |
| 05:36.39 | dondelelcaro | buu: it's possible that it hasn't actually loaded it yet, or that there were errors |
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| 05:36.51 | buu | Yeah |
| 05:36.58 | dondelelcaro | (unfortunately, trivial errors are sometimes easy to make in zonefiles, and if you don't see the errors, it's difficult) |
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| 05:37.51 | buu | hmph. Well it claims to scan it for corrections, but I'll just sleep on it and see if it starts feeling better in the morning. |
| 05:38.02 | buu | dondelelcaro: Unless you have a better place to get nameservers |
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| 05:38.20 | dondelelcaro | buu: I run my own |
| 05:38.35 | dondelelcaro | assuming you have static IPs, it's pretty trivial |
| 05:39.23 | buu | Yeah.. I used to do that but I thought you were supposed to have multiple servers for that |
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| 05:39.35 | buu | dondelelcaro: Also since I'm bugging you, uh where do I get libmp3lame? |
| 05:39.40 | dondelelcaro | buu: it's better to have multiple servers, but you can always use someone else's as a backup |
| 05:39.50 | jagginess | buu, hey man use ogg |
| 05:40.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell buu -about dmm |
| 05:40.15 | ag4ve | what is start-stop-daemon doing different here: sudo start-stop-daemon --start -b --exec /usr/bin/qemu-nbd -- --nocache template.qcow2 (not working) where as sudo /usr/bin/qemu-nbd --nocache template.qcow2 (works) |
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| 05:44.13 | MrHatter | would a recent mysql update on squeeze have made apostrophes not work when inserting into tables ? |
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| 05:45.02 | buu | dondelelcaro: Is there a pithy saying about every single /etc/ directory growing to include a .d child directory? |
| 05:45.15 | buu | MrHatter: Did they ever work? Use placeholders? |
| 05:45.43 | dondelelcaro | buu: most of them are, actually... it's kind of a good thing, but it would have been better to have really solved the configuration file upgrade problem instead of hacking around it |
| 05:46.01 | buu | dondelelcaro: Oh, is that what they're for? So you can upgrade individual files? |
| 05:46.32 | Dewi | buu: it means you can keep your own bits in separate files more |
| 05:46.42 | buu | That makes sense |
| 05:46.46 | Dewi | buu: rather than your own customizations mixing in with defaults that the package manager wants to manage |
| 05:46.54 | buu | yup |
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| 05:49.21 | MrHatter | buu, yes apparently the same data has been there for a long time, but now an error, with apostrophes removed it works fine. |
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| 05:50.03 | dondelelcaro | MrHatter: this sounds like some kind of character set problem |
| 05:50.15 | dondelelcaro | MrHatter: but without precise details, it's impossible to know |
| 05:50.47 | MrHatter | dondelelcaro, nothing has changed, i can only think i did an apt-get update a few weeks ago. |
| 05:51.24 | buu | MrHatter: How are you encountering this error? |
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| 05:52.26 | MrHatter | it's a CMS, my customer went to edit a page and got an SQL error, apparently the text which has the apostrophes has been there all along, but now I need to remove them to insert data. |
| 05:52.29 | gnarface | MrHatter: not sure why a mysql update would cause that but if you also updated php but used the default config from upstream instead of letting debian handle it for you i could see that happening.... |
| 05:53.36 | MrHatter | gnarface, I was just about to say it's a standard install, but it's not, it's ISPConfig. perhaps it's the PHP config as you suggest |
| 05:53.59 | buu | Doesn't php have some sort of MAGIC QUOTE STRIP SLASHING config |
| 05:54.06 | buu | If that setting was changed..? |
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| 05:55.27 | MrHatter | buu, hmmm i will check |
| 05:55.38 | gnarface | buu: that was my thought exactly. if the codebase is dumb (and most php codebases i didn't write are) they probably aren't using mysql_real_escape_string and are therefore probably relying on the default (ill-advised) php apostrophe-escaping behavior (which is to just blindly insert a backslash) ... |
| 05:56.47 | gnarface | sadly this is a common state of affairs |
| 05:57.14 | gnarface | everyone assumes backslashes are the appropriate escape method and codes to assume they're on by default in php |
| 05:57.27 | gnarface | although i guess i could see it breaking if you code by default to assume they're off too |
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| 05:57.39 | gnarface | though usually all that happens is you just get extraneous backslashes in your data |
| 05:58.07 | Dewi | gnarface: generic escaping makes no sense, since all escaping is context-dependent. Plus, *use parameters* |
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| 05:59.14 | gnarface | Dewi: i didn't say it wasn't |
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| 06:00.21 | Dewi | MrHatter: it does sound like a PHP configuration problem. In combination with terrible PHP code |
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| 06:01.33 | tapout | How do I cure this? percona-server-common-5.5: Conflicts: mysql-common but 5.5.28-1~dotdeb.0 is to be installed |
| 06:01.46 | tapout | I have percona-server-common pinned at 1001 |
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| 06:05.35 | MrHatter | dewi, gnarface and buu, thx, i will look into the PHP config |
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| 06:12.44 | dondelelcaro | right, in wheezy it's libreoffice, in squeeze it's openoffice |
| 06:14.26 | beardy | Right. |
| 06:14.40 | dondelelcaro | (that was ECHAN, but yes. ;-)) |
| 06:14.57 | beardy | :) |
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| 06:20.08 | voytek | wow still openoffice in squeeze |
| 06:20.16 | voytek | go debian stable |
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| 06:23.24 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
| 06:24.00 | carrera | Can anyone help me with this file system problem: EXT4-fs error (device sdb9): __ext4_get_inode_loc:3657: inode #18613905: block 74449033: comm pool: unable to read itable block |
| 06:24.54 | carrera | Wheezy stops booting at that point and asks me to hit Control-D to continue but it doesn't fix the problem |
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| 06:26.45 | beardy | !fsck |
| 06:26.45 | dpkg | methinks fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. Ask me about <forcefsck>. |
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| 06:28.21 | voytek | if you enter the root passwd and run fsck -y on that partition |
| 06:28.29 | voytek | and then cross your fingers |
| 06:28.37 | voytek | you should be back to normal |
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| 06:29.10 | eataudio | \quit |
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| 06:36.21 | fprophet | I can't seem to locate lightdm for debian 6.0.6 using aptitude search lightdm |
| 06:36.42 | jagginess | fprophet, #ubuntu |
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| 06:37.09 | fprophet | what |
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| 06:37.23 | jagginess | fprophet, #ubuntu, you're using ubuntu.. lightdm is only on ubuntu |
| 06:37.30 | fprophet | no I'm not? |
| 06:37.49 | jagginess | yup |
| 06:37.50 | Lasse- | jagginess: Stop talking crap |
| 06:38.00 | fprophet | http://wiki.debian.org/LightDM |
| 06:38.07 | Lasse- | fprophet: Lightdm is not available for Debian 6 |
| 06:38.12 | fprophet | oh. poop |
| 06:38.14 | fprophet | any alternatives? |
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| 06:38.25 | jagginess | LightDM is not available in Squeeze |
| 06:38.29 | jagginess | "LightDM is not available in Squeeze" |
| 06:38.34 | jagginess | squeeze is 6. |
| 06:38.35 | Dewi | fprophet: you could try backporting from wheezy |
| 06:38.43 | Dewi | !ssb |
| 06:38.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:39.10 | fprophet | alright |
| 06:39.12 | Lasse- | That or try slim, another lightweight one |
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| 06:39.32 | fprophet | I heard slim wasn't very stable. |
| 06:39.53 | Lasse- | Didn't give me problems when I used it |
| 06:39.57 | fprophet | ok |
| 06:40.02 | Lasse- | that was on Arch Linux, but shouldn't make difference |
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| 06:41.28 | Losowski | jagginess / Lasse- LightDM *is* on Debian, I use it. http://pastebin.com/Ygdw6jg5 |
| 06:41.50 | Lasse- | Losowski: I never claimed it wasn't? |
| 06:41.59 | Lasse- | Just said it's not on stable/squeeze/6 |
| 06:42.03 | jagginess | Losowski, not on 6 though |
| 06:42.34 | Losowski | jagginess: "<jagginess> fprophet, #ubuntu, you're using ubuntu.. lightdm is only on ubuntu" |
| 06:42.58 | Lasse- | fprophet: Though if you're using Debian as normal desktop |
| 06:43.03 | Lasse- | you could just go for Wheezy |
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| 06:47.34 | fprophet | how would I get slim or any other desktop manager to run on boot? |
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| 06:47.54 | carrera | Is this error caused by the drive or the ext4 filesystem: EXT4-fs error (device sdb9): __ext4_get_inode_loc:3657: comm pool: unable to read itable block |
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| 06:52.44 | Lasse- | fprophet: If I am not mistaken, Debian automaticly configures them the way they start on boot ? |
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| 06:53.19 | Lasse- | carrera: You could try some liveCD and see if it mounts with that |
| 06:53.20 | beardy | fprophet: Just install one. |
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| 06:55.42 | fprophet | I have. I've installed slim but it doesnt start on boot |
| 06:56.06 | Lasse- | Is X configured? |
| 06:56.21 | beardy | fprophet: From where, which package? |
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| 06:57.31 | fprophet | lasse: not sure. I just removed gnome completely and installed lxde |
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| 06:57.42 | Lasse- | Does X start with startx? |
| 06:57.43 | fprophet | beardy: slim |
| 06:57.49 | fprophet | lasse: yes |
| 06:58.00 | Lasse- | Ok, then it's probably slim-problem |
| 06:58.17 | fprophet | slim after logging in works |
| 06:58.18 | Lasse- | fprophet: I think beardy meant did you install it form repos? |
| 06:58.40 | fprophet | lasse: I dont know what you mean. I'm very new to linux |
| 06:58.49 | fprophet | lasse: I just used apt-get install slim |
| 06:59.01 | Lasse- | Ok, then you installed it from Debian repos, good |
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| 07:02.35 | Lasse- | I have used rcconf from cli to select which services to launch on boot |
| 07:02.41 | Lasse- | it needs to be installed though |
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| 07:03.37 | Lasse- | fprophet: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62572067/rcconf.png Looks like this |
| 07:03.45 | beardy | fprophet: 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' what does it contain? |
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| 07:37.12 | fprophet | it some how fixed itself. |
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| 07:37.19 | fprophet | i wont question this magic. |
| 07:37.23 | Dewi | hehe |
| 07:37.42 | Dewi | don't question X, it will respond by breaking |
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| 07:38.46 | Virtualmix | Hello everyone. It looks like Alsa is not loaded after I boot my system. I now have to use the following command every time I restart my system in order for my sound to work: "sudo alsa force-reload". |
| 07:38.51 | Virtualmix | Any idea on how I could have it to load automatically? |
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| 07:41.50 | krababbe1 | Virtualmix: you have pulse installed? you only get dummy output? |
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| 07:45.31 | Virtualmix | krababbe1: Yes I have dummy output. Pulse is installed: pulseaudio; pulseaudio-module-x11; pulseaudio-utils |
| 07:47.46 | krababbe1 | Virtualmix: and when you do the reload, it works, the dummy is replaced by the real card? |
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| 07:48.44 | Virtualmix | krababbe1: Yes exactly :) |
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| 07:53.39 | krababbe1 | Virtualmix: I've had this issue, it seemed to be related to the login manager. :) By that I mean: using another one fixed it. Now this was on Ubuntu recently, and other than that I don't know more about it. |
| 07:54.37 | Virtualmix | krababbe1: Thanks for the hint. I'm going to investigate in that direction ;) |
| 07:55.02 | krababbe1 | looked like at boot something hogged the sound device, and pulse couldn't get access. Thanks also, didn't know about the reload command :) |
| 07:56.23 | marsje | Is it normal that shrinking a 800 GB with Gparted takes half a day? It's a USB-disk... |
| 07:56.51 | Dewi | marsje: doesn't sound implausible, if it's fragmented or full |
| 07:57.35 | Dewi | marsje: just a full sweep would be 11 hours |
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| 07:57.47 | Dewi | (1 pass) |
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| 07:58.38 | marsje | Dewi: the new partition would be full |
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| 07:59.34 | krababbe1 | marsje: usb can be pretty slow too |
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| 07:59.38 | marsje | Dewi: I'm bummed, because I thought cutting off the empty part of the partition would take a couple of seconds... |
| 07:59.59 | marsje | it looks like the whole filesystem is written again piece by piece |
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| 08:00.09 | krababbe1 | 800gb is a lot |
| 08:00.12 | Dewi | marsje: yeah, that would assume perfect defragmentation, but in the real world there will be stuff all over the place, particularly if the disk was full at any time in the past |
| 08:00.31 | marsje | krababbe1: yes, it is... |
| 08:00.33 | Dewi | or if it's been running a long time |
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| 08:01.12 | marsje | Dewi: I think the disk is not fragmented. It is used as a transport, so I think it was new and only written to one time |
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| 08:23.16 | zetheroo | we are preparing to build 3 new KVM servers using Debian Wheezy instead of Squeeze ... any objections? |
| 08:23.21 | zetheroo | :) |
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| 08:23.49 | FilipeMaia | How hard is it to setup an PPTP vpn server? |
| 08:24.02 | Sm0ke0ut | why should we? it are your servers ;) |
| 08:24.48 | zetheroo | more that I am wondering if there should be any reason to NOT use Wheezy over Squeeze at this time ... |
| 08:24.48 | Sm0ke0ut | FilipeMaia: not at all, google on "debian howto pptp vpn" and you're good to go I guess :) |
| 08:24.54 | iDrac | FilipeMaia: quite easy, just follow the howto |
| 08:25.02 | FilipeMaia | ok, i'll give it a try |
| 08:25.16 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: not very hard, but you do realize pptp is almost completely broken wrt security? |
| 08:25.34 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: why is that? |
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| 08:25.45 | iDrac | openvpn is even simpler but most mobile devices dont have a client |
| 08:25.45 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: http://www.h-online.com/security/features/A-death-blow-for-PPTP-1716768.html |
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| 08:30.45 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: according to the article the same holds true for WPA2 |
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| 08:31.08 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: that's a bigger problem |
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| 08:31.26 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: when configured with MS-CHAP2 auth. WPA2 has safe configuration options |
| 08:31.40 | FilipeMaia | I see |
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| 08:32.50 | Zumochi | Hello. I am trying to add an iscsi disk but I'm having troubles configuring the initiator. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Googling tells me the iSCSI Qualified Name is incorrect... |
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| 08:33.35 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: http://revolutionwifi.blogspot.com/2012/07/is-wpa2-security-broken-due-to-defcon.html |
| 08:34.09 | Zumochi | The target is a Windows host by the way. |
| 08:34.15 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:52.17 | psychotropic | Are there any serious security problems with using Debian as a home samba server and letting it be used as a public FTP server as well? |
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| 08:52.41 | fprophet | how do i use gparted to resize my partitions? |
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| 08:53.53 | ChrisH | psychotropic: ftp can be a "serious security problem" itself |
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| 08:55.05 | psychotropic | Well, yes, but using both services on the same machine shouldn't really create a substantial issue, right? |
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| 08:55.35 | psychotropic | I was planning on using TLS on the FTP server |
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| 09:01.59 | phet | Hi |
| 09:02.04 | format_c | Hi |
| 09:02.20 | phet | I just installed testing, and I have gnome3, wasnt it supposed to be Xfce? |
| 09:02.59 | psychotropic | You can download the different flavours with other window managers |
| 09:03.09 | psychotropic | By default, it should be Gnome |
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| 09:03.30 | phet | psychotropic: Ok! because distrowatch says default is xfce. Gnome is fine for me |
| 09:03.44 | phet | Also, I need help to set up dual boot with w7 in another disk |
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| 09:04.23 | simonlnu | phet: when released. they haven't set that yet i suppose |
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| 09:04.48 | psychotropic | I actually just set up a dual boot system with Win 7 about an hour ago... |
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| 09:05.04 | psychotropic | What do you need help with? |
| 09:05.06 | phet_ | psychotropic: I can see the w7 entry in grub, but when I choose it, it fails |
| 09:05.22 | phet_ | before it was easier for me with the menu.lst, now I don't understand it |
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| 09:05.57 | psychotropic | Is Windows on the primary partition and are you certain you installed the boot loader in the right place? |
| 09:06.05 | phet_ | psychotropic: it says: windows failed to start. a recent hardware .... |
| 09:06.18 | phet_ | psychotropic: windows is in its own disk, and debian in another |
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| 09:07.05 | phet_ | psychotropic: I installed windows first, and then linux, different disks |
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| 09:07.20 | phet_ | I'd say the boot loader is in the windows disk |
| 09:07.38 | psychotropic | Windows MUST be installed first... what I did with my system was to put Windows as the slave drive after installation, and then installed Debian onto an empty new primary drive |
| 09:08.56 | phet_ | windows was installed first in a separate disk |
| 09:09.01 | phet_ | and then debian in another disk |
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| 09:09.52 | psychotropic | Okay, and then did you install Grub in the MBR, overwriting Windows boot loader? |
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| 09:10.09 | psychotropic | or what did you do exactly with the boot loader? |
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| 09:10.59 | psychotropic | If it's installed correctly and everything, it may just be the way you have them listed |
| 09:11.30 | phet_ | psychotropic: I installed everything in the linux disk |
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| 09:12.06 | syntaxx | are there any web based ssh available? |
| 09:12.41 | syntaxx | application* |
| 09:13.05 | format_c | phet_: maybe a fdisk -l helps to complete the picture. |
| 09:13.42 | psychotropic | Try changing the default boot disk in the bios to sdb or add an entry for Debian in Win boot menu? |
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| 09:15.11 | psychotropic | syntaxx - something like gotossh.com? |
| 09:15.20 | format_c | syntaxx: I only know about ajaxterm which isnt a ssh application directly. |
| 09:15.23 | frikinz | syntaxx: there's mindterm |
| 09:15.44 | syntaxx | psychotropic, yeah i want to install it on my server |
| 09:15.54 | syntaxx | format_c, ic will check that |
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| 09:16.03 | psychotropic | Have you looked into Webmin at all? |
| 09:16.03 | syntaxx | frikinz, wil check that as well |
| 09:16.31 | phet | format_c: http://pastebin.com/fG0UAJw0 fdisk -l |
| 09:16.42 | syntaxx | psychotropic, yeah not interested in using webmin though |
| 09:17.09 | psychotropic | So just a plain SSH application |
| 09:17.15 | phet | I think, reading grub at the start, it is trying to start windows in sda1, when it is in sdb |
| 09:17.34 | simonlnu | syntaxx: ajaxterm? not really ssh, i don't think. apt-cache show ajaxterm |
| 09:17.49 | simonlnu | ,info ajaxterm |
| 09:17.50 | judd | Package ajaxterm (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Web based terminal written in Python. Version: 0.10-7; Size: 42.8k; Installed: 256k; Homepage: http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ajaxterm |
| 09:18.23 | psychotropic | I've used serFISH.COM before and it seemed to work well I think |
| 09:18.39 | phet | how can I check what grub is loading? is there something like menu.lst? |
| 09:18.52 | Lasse- | Depends whether you use use GRUB1 or GRUB2 |
| 09:18.56 | Lasse- | GRUB1 has menu.lst |
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| 09:19.03 | Lasse- | at /boot/grun/menu.lst |
| 09:19.03 | phet | I think I have grub2 |
| 09:19.08 | Lasse- | *grub |
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| 09:19.59 | psychotropic | Also make sure your BIOS is correct |
| 09:20.14 | phet | psychotropic: what should I check? |
| 09:20.50 | psychotropic | It sounds like you may need to switch sdb to your primary device |
| 09:21.05 | simonlnu | phet: grub2 /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 09:21.46 | simonlnu | but that's generated from stuff in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ |
| 09:22.04 | phet | simonlnu: I am taking a look at /etc/default/grub nothing interesting there |
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| 09:25.07 | phet_ | I allowed os prober, the run update grub, it seems w7 is detected, when I boot it in grub (w7) it fails |
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| 09:25.35 | Lasse- | What does it say |
| 09:25.39 | simonlnu | probably trying to boot via an uuid. might need to tweak it |
| 09:25.42 | phet_ | Lasse-: the error? |
| 09:25.45 | Lasse- | Yes |
| 09:26.08 | phet_ | its a windows error screen, I think the error is that it tries to boot it in sda1 when it is in sdb |
| 09:26.36 | phet_ | Windows Boot Manager. Windows failed to start. A recent hardware of software change mught be the cause. To fix the problem: inser disk... repair.... |
| 09:26.41 | Lasse- | Maybe you're trying to boot up wrong partition |
| 09:26.59 | phet_ | Lasse-: but that's what update grub detects |
| 09:27.03 | phet_ | how can I change it? |
| 09:27.17 | Lasse- | No idea, I don't use grub2 |
| 09:27.22 | Lasse- | I use syslinux |
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| 09:28.25 | psychotropic | You need to set your BIOS to recognize the Windows drive as slave, maybe, and make sure the info matches that in grub. |
| 09:28.35 | Lasse- | slave? |
| 09:28.42 | simonlnu | do you have a custom 40_windows in /etc/grub.d/ ? |
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| 09:30.20 | psychotropic | Change what? The order of the drives? You might have to actually move the jumper pin on the hard drive. |
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| 09:30.41 | Lasse- | psychotropic: He has IDE-drives? |
| 09:30.53 | Lasse- | since in SATA-drives there's no master/slave nor jumpers to move |
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| 09:31.27 | psychotropic | Oh, sorry. I'm trying to do all kinds of things at once. Maybe I should just stop causing more confusion.. heh. |
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| 09:32.09 | Nethox | Some SATA disks do have jumpers, but for other reason: changing the link speed |
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| 09:32.17 | Lasse- | Nethox: Yes I knoew |
| 09:32.26 | Lasse- | but that doesn't affect this :) |
| 09:32.42 | frikinz | Is there something to put in /e/n/interfaces file so that wpa_supplicant pre-up hook does not stop ? I see it stops because no env var starting with IF_WPA is defined. Where are these env var supposed to come from? |
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| 09:34.37 | simonlnu | frikinz: /etc/default/networking is a good start i suppose. (set with an export FOO="bar") |
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| 09:37.55 | simonlnu | run gparted |
| 09:39.10 | phet_ | Lasse-: I have SATA |
| 09:39.18 | Lasse- | Yeah, thought so |
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| 09:40.36 | phet_ | simonlnu: I have 40_custom |
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| 09:41.01 | frikinz | simonlnu: something was quite modified as I found my old config and this doesn't work anymore. using sid and roam mode. |
| 09:41.12 | simonlnu | you can google for some windows-specific customisations |
| 09:41.53 | simonlnu | frikinz: i've never had to do this, so i'm shooting from the hip |
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| 09:42.32 | phet_ | how can I modify it to boot in sdb instead of sda |
| 09:42.35 | fprophet | simonlnu: I have. but when I resize it doesnt give me the option to allocate more space |
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| 09:42.59 | simonlnu | it's gotta have the room to do so ;) |
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| 09:45.47 | fprophet | simonlnu: let me take a screenshot |
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| 09:48.13 | matlads | certainly |
| 09:48.59 | format_c | phet_, do you also have 30_os-prober ? |
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| 09:50.00 | format_c | if makes automatic entries when update-grub2 is being executed. |
| 09:50.12 | phet_ | format_c: yes |
| 09:50.18 | phet_ | I have that |
| 09:51.03 | format_c | phet_, on my system my W7 partition is marked with the boot flag |
| 09:51.24 | phet_ | format_c: how can I check that? |
| 09:51.52 | simonlnu | the boot flag only matters to win, fyi |
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| 09:52.28 | format_c | in your fdisk output you would have a * in the "boot" column |
| 09:53.01 | FilipeMaia_ | Is there a way to set a default domain for DNS searches when using an PPTP VPN server? |
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| 09:53.53 | simonlnu | good question. maybe there is, and you can set one in /etc/resolv.conf, but check the docs =) |
| 09:54.24 | phet_ | format_c: I dont have a * anywhere |
| 09:55.19 | phet_ | I can boot correctly to linux, it fails w7 |
| 09:55.41 | FilipeMaia | simonlnu: i want the client to automatically have its domain set when connecting |
| 09:56.00 | format_c | sry lunch time |
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| 09:56.52 | simonlnu | that's different... i would imagine there's some setting you could use to do that, a la dhcp |
| 09:57.23 | apm1 | i made a xorg.conf file in /etc/x11 and then deleted it , will this effect anything ? |
| 09:57.31 | FilipeMaia | simonlnu: i would imagine so too |
| 09:57.36 | Lasse- | apm1: Shouldn't |
| 09:57.43 | FilipeMaia | simonlnu: i'm looking at man pppd but didn't find anything yet |
| 09:58.03 | simonlnu | /etc/ppp/options |
| 09:58.37 | apm1 | the purpose for the xorg.conf was to enable ultra nav for my thinkpad but since that failed , what am i supposed to do ? |
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| 09:58.52 | apm1 | note my thinkpad only has a trackpoint no trackpad |
| 09:59.12 | apm1 | and i am on 6.0.6 |
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| 09:59.48 | simonlnu | not really. if that's the only reason for it. |
| 10:00.20 | frikinz | on the bts webpage, how does one see the bugs of only one release, let's for seeing regression on the unstable branch? |
| 10:00.44 | apm1 | anyone using a thinkpad with squeeze ? |
| 10:01.08 | Lasse- | apm1: Have you checked Thinkwiki |
| 10:01.33 | apm1 | Lasse-, i have and the xorg.conf trick from there didn't work :( |
| 10:01.49 | Lasse- | Can you link the page? |
| 10:02.07 | apm1 | one sec |
| 10:02.49 | apm1 | Lasse-, here http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Sid_on_a_ThinkPad_X201s#UltraNav |
| 10:03.23 | Lasse- | You have the package installed? |
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| 10:03.50 | apm1 | Lasse-, what package ? |
| 10:03.58 | Lasse- | "xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" |
| 10:04.28 | apm1 | checking |
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| 10:04.58 | phet | I am trying several things and nothing works. Now I tried to install grub in sdb |
| 10:05.20 | Lasse- | phet: Does your Windows installation have separate small partition? |
| 10:05.44 | phet | Lasse-: yes I think so |
| 10:06.06 | cyanboy375 | How can you make debian have a higher res when not using a GUI? |
| 10:06.20 | apm1 | Lasse-, yes i have that package installed |
| 10:06.20 | Lasse- | Kernel mode setting |
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| 10:07.32 | apm1 | Lasse-, the trackpoint works , what doesn't work is the 2nd button mouse wheel emulation |
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| 10:08.10 | Lasse- | apm1: http://caedesnotes.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/linux-debian-squeeze-on-thinkpad-t500/ |
| 10:08.13 | Lasse- | Maybe that hleps |
| 10:08.22 | Lasse- | check "Make the “UltraNav” (Touchpad/Trackpoint) behave the way I want" |
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| 10:12.19 | cali | hello, I have removed a loop device by mistake, is there a way to respawn it? |
| 10:12.39 | fprophet | nevermind about the screenshot... apparently gparted doesnt have support for usb drivers, package installation or a default browser with javascript support |
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| 10:12.59 | fprophet | i mean, usb drives |
| 10:13.34 | phet | I think that my problem is that in the linux disk I also created a ntfs partition |
| 10:13.35 | apm1 | Lasse-, one problem there is no such directory as "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d " on my system |
| 10:13.41 | phet | empty partition |
| 10:13.49 | phet | and it tries to boot that partition instead of sdb |
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| 10:14.31 | Lasse- | apm1: Make one yourself. |
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| 10:15.05 | apm1 | Lasse-, but can it screw up the gui if anything goes wrong ? |
| 10:15.17 | Lasse- | Shouldn't |
| 10:15.22 | Lasse- | and if it does, just delete the folder and it's fixed. |
| 10:15.30 | apm1 | Lasse-, ok |
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| 10:17.51 | apm1 | wth i can't paste in gnome terminal ? |
| 10:18.24 | Lasse- | Why not |
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| 10:18.44 | epsilon | installed copy&paste addon? |
| 10:18.52 | Lasse- | Gnome might not by default have any cliptool that saves your copied info |
| 10:18.59 | Lasse- | so if you close the source-software, data is gone |
| 10:19.13 | safridzal | apm1: right click > paste ?? |
| 10:19.25 | apm1 | safridzal, that doesn't work |
| 10:19.36 | safridzal | or maybe using block & midle click? |
| 10:19.40 | epsilon | sure something is in buffer? |
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| 10:22.45 | apm1 | wth why isn't it pasting ? |
| 10:22.58 | apm1 | i installed glipper too |
| 10:23.01 | apm1 | nothing at all |
| 10:23.25 | apm1 | it pastes fine on terminator wth ? |
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| 10:24.57 | nsadmin | what;s a it? |
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| 10:26.51 | aguitel | i am using debian wheezy with video card GeForce FX 5200 ,i need nvidia-173 series driver ,how install it? |
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| 10:27.20 | fprophet | How do I use gparted to resize my partitions? |
| 10:27.33 | peterrooney | re: phet's problems, I'm wondering where to turn to for a proper education in grub2. the man pages and config files are useless for didactic purposes. |
| 10:27.47 | fprophet | When I take some of the 280gb space from sda5 i cant seem to put it anywhere |
| 10:27.55 | nsadmin | do the prtitions have filesystems in them that you also wish to resize? |
| 10:28.20 | fprophet | what do you mean? |
| 10:28.32 | ksuhku | is the empty space next to the partition you wish to enlarge? |
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| 10:28.52 | fprophet | no |
| 10:29.10 | ksuhku | then you must move the partitions |
| 10:29.11 | fprophet | the filesystem tab says they're all ext3 |
| 10:29.56 | nsadmin | do any of them have filesystems with data you wish to keep? |
| 10:30.02 | fprophet | yes |
| 10:30.10 | fprophet | all of them do |
| 10:30.26 | nsadmin | then, at least some of the partitions if not all of them do have filesystems |
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| 10:30.38 | format_c | phet, can you paste the output of update-grub2 ? |
| 10:30.39 | nsadmin | (and you need to know what a filesystem is) |
| 10:30.50 | fprophet | ext3, would be that filesystem |
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| 10:31.12 | nsadmin | are any of them mounted? |
| 10:31.23 | fprophet | how do I check that |
| 10:31.25 | phet | format_c: I am trying to add one custom at the moment |
| 10:31.29 | nsadmin | mount |
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| 10:35.10 | fprophet | ugh. why would the people who made gparted not include a browser with javascript enabled.. made the screenshot utility totally useless |
| 10:35.44 | nsadmin | partitioning tools don't need javascript :) |
| 10:35.50 | fprophet | of course |
| 10:36.00 | fprophet | but its kind of silly to include a tool for screen caps |
| 10:36.26 | fprophet | when you cant do anything with it |
| 10:36.43 | ksuhku | e.g. this service works without silly JS http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ |
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| 10:38.08 | fprophet | ksuhku: doesnt work |
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| 10:40.44 | ksuhku | sure works for me, no js and no cookies |
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| 10:43.32 | apm1 | Lasse-, that didn't work :( |
| 10:43.37 | judezhan | :q |
| 10:44.11 | apm1 | and now i have 2 problems 1) ultranav 2) can't paste in gnome terminal |
| 10:44.53 | nsadmin | try ctrl shift v |
| 10:44.59 | apm1 | pasteing in terminator works , guake works it's just the default terminal emulator on which it doesn't |
| 10:45.18 | apm1 | nsadmin, the keyboard shourtcut doesn't work either :( |
| 10:45.37 | babilen | !tell apm1 -about xorg.conf.d |
| 10:47.24 | apm1 | babilen, so before i create a xorg.conf.d i need to make an empty xorg.conf |
| 10:47.36 | babilen | apm1: You want a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf like http://paste.debian.net/201525/ -- You can check current settings with "synclient -l", read about applicable ones in "man synaptics" and test them with "synclient Option=Value" |
| 10:48.00 | babilen | apm1: No, you don't need or want an /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all in most cases. "empty" here is actualle "non existant" |
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| 10:49.05 | babilen | apm1: I can't translate all the xinput settings on the thinkwiki page into suitable options from the top of my head. FWIW, I *never* had a problem with the nub on any thinkpad. It just works out of the box ... |
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| 10:50.12 | apm1 | babilen, my nub is working perfectly fine too it's just the mouse wheel emulation that isn't |
| 10:50.53 | babilen | apm1: As in: Click right button + "nub down" == "scroll down" ? |
| 10:51.14 | babilen | (or something like that) |
| 10:51.59 | apm1 | babilen, no my ultranav has 3 buttons with the trackpoint no touchpad though |
| 10:52.39 | apm1 | the (middle button is held + nub down) = scroll down |
| 10:52.54 | babilen | ack |
| 10:52.58 | babilen | lets see |
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| 10:54.32 | apm1 | "synclient -l" says no synaptics driver loaded , wth :( |
| 10:54.33 | babilen | apm1: http://who-t.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/tip-of-day-wheel-emulation.html |
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| 10:55.33 | babilen | apm1: I had to change the command to 'xinput --set-int-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" "Evdev Wheel Emulation" 8 1' and 'xinput --set-int-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" "Evdev Wheel Emulation Button" 8 3' respectively on my T420 -- I think that the last command should have "8 2" at the end for the middle mouse button. |
| 10:55.51 | babilen | Yeah, just confirmed that. It works here. |
| 10:56.05 | apm1 | babilen, what works ? |
| 10:56.35 | babilen | apm1: After running those two commands I can scroll with my nub while clicking right (8 3) or the middle (8 2) button. |
| 10:56.45 | apm1 | ok |
| 10:56.55 | babilen | You are using squeeze? |
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| 10:57.19 | apm1 | yup 6.0.6 |
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| 10:58.21 | apm1 | do i have to run those two commands everytime i reboot ? |
| 10:58.21 | babilen | apm1: Should work fine -- Does it? Please make sure to adjust "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" to the actual name listed in "xinput --list --short" |
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| 10:59.08 | babilen | apm1: No, I want you to try if *that* works. Peter explains later in his post how to make those settings permanent. |
| 10:59.18 | apm1 | ok |
| 10:59.42 | apm1 | i am doing it now just hold up a moment :) |
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| 11:01.03 | fprophet | took forever to type this out |
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| 11:01.21 | fprophet | http://pastebin.com/s2C6jX7J |
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| 11:02.58 | fprophet | everytime I login, I am prompted with a dialog that says root is out of space |
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| 11:05.29 | fprophet | nsadmin: doesnt seem any of the partitions are mounted |
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| 11:10.49 | abrotman | that seems bad? |
| 11:11.10 | fprophet | abrotman: hm? |
| 11:12.44 | ChrisH | fprophet: What do you want to do? This disk partition looks ugly. Why not using LVM for more flexibility? backup the data from sda9, sda8, sda6 and sda5. dropp them all incl. swap and create a VG containing the space. create LVols and restore the data then |
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| 11:13.19 | fprophet | chrish: it was automagically created by the debian install process |
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| 11:13.48 | ChrisH | fprophet: that does not make it more beautifull :) |
| 11:13.54 | fprophet | chrish: I want to give root more space so I am not told "hey you, hey. read me, hey. HEY YOU. hey. sup. you're running out of space, thxbye" |
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| 11:14.29 | ChrisH | fprophet: How long is this system in use? reinstall with LVM sounds like a good idea |
| 11:15.03 | fprophet | what does lvm mean |
| 11:15.10 | fprophet | and a few weeks |
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| 11:15.36 | abrotman | logical volume manager |
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| 11:15.51 | ChrisH | LVM - logical Volume Manager, the answer to allmost all disk space problems |
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| 11:16.16 | abrotman | sort of |
| 11:16.38 | fprophet | I have no idea what I'm doing and it's frustrating :) |
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| 11:16.43 | zined | hey guys, i'm trying to bootstrap a debian squeeze from a running machine. somehow the Release file for squeeze seems to be ... strange. (http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release). it holds an entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages, but that file doesn't exists. (404). any clues? |
| 11:16.57 | Nethox | I though the master solution was buying more disks |
| 11:17.14 | abrotman | Nethox: but how to easily add them? |
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| 11:17.25 | fprophet | what happened to my 300gb hard drive. Where is all of my free space at |
| 11:17.28 | ChrisH | fprophet: If you have no problem with reinstalling the box I strongly suggest to do it and use LVM. |
| 11:17.32 | abrotman | that's a big plus of LVM |
| 11:17.47 | Nethox | abrotman, just kidding, I do use LVM |
| 11:18.04 | ChrisH | fprophet: Its in sda9 which is only 7GB filled |
| 11:19.01 | a-l-e | hi, i have an httpd server local on my lapto. |
| 11:19.02 | a-l-e | p |
| 11:19.12 | a-l-e | when i'm online everything works perfectly. |
| 11:19.49 | a-l-e | when i'm offline i don't get any name resolution for the web sites that are defined on the same machine. |
| 11:20.26 | fprophet | chrish: how can I take some of that free space and redistribute it among the other partitions |
| 11:20.36 | a-l-e | i'm matching the local ip addresses of the websites (like 127.0.1.2) to their name (like ww.test.com) through the /etc/hosts file |
| 11:20.38 | ChrisH | fprophet: you could keep the layout with sda1 and sda2 and delete sda5-9 and macke sda2 the PV (physical volume) for LVMs Volume Group (VG). inside the VG you can create lvol (logical volumes) and increase theier size if needed online. So keep free diskspace in the VG. |
| 11:20.39 | fprophet | chrish: without reinstalling my system |
| 11:20.43 | abrotman | where is the name resolution? |
| 11:20.43 | a-l-e | it used to work in the past... |
| 11:20.58 | a-l-e | any idea what i can do to have the name resolutions also when the network is not up? |
| 11:21.24 | abrotman | tried /et/hosts? |
| 11:21.24 | ChrisH | fprophet: I do not know any way without reinstalling. Is that a production server? And if there is a way without reinstalling it will be more complicated then reinstalling |
| 11:21.40 | abrotman | etc |
| 11:21.57 | fprophet | chrish: balls. It's my laptop that I use for everything. |
| 11:22.31 | fprophet | chrish: the install process doesnt exactly tell me how to size my partitions, and there doesnt seem to be any explanation about the partition properties |
| 11:22.35 | ChrisH | fprophet: What is your backup strategy? |
| 11:22.55 | fprophet | fprophet: 5 usb drives and maybe a blank cd |
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| 11:23.14 | abrotman | ChrisH: debootstrap? |
| 11:23.23 | ChrisH | fprophet: So all data is backed up. Reinstalling will be easy and fast. |
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| 11:24.06 | fprophet | chrish: well. I was basically forced to use the guided partitioning tool since theres not much explanation on the partitioning process |
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| 11:24.17 | ChrisH | abrotman: I never debootstrap'ed a system and never did manually converted to LVM. I cannot help with that steps. Therefore I did not suggest it |
| 11:24.18 | fprophet | chrish: the same thing would happen again |
| 11:24.25 | ksuhku | fprophet, for a simple partitioning scheme you could use 15 gigs for / and the rest for home |
| 11:24.39 | a-l-e | abrotman: /etc/hosts works correctly when i'm online... |
| 11:24.52 | fprophet | ksuhku: what about the boot options? what do I do there |
| 11:25.16 | abrotman | a-l-e: you could also do your own bind setup |
| 11:26.12 | a-l-e | abrotman: how? |
| 11:26.15 | a-l-e | any documentation? |
| 11:26.25 | abrotman | the Bind ARM is great |
| 11:26.36 | fprophet | I dread reinstalling nvidia drivers. that took forever the last time :( |
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| 11:26.38 | ChrisH | fprophet: do you have another system to be able to stay here while you do the reinstallation process? |
| 11:26.59 | ksuhku | fprophet, it's been some time since I installed last time |
| 11:27.02 | fprophet | chrish: yes. I am on my room mates desktop right now |
| 11:27.38 | Nethox | Switch his drive if it's bigger |
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| 11:27.47 | fprophet | actually its not |
| 11:27.59 | fprophet | it has a 40gb hard drive in it |
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| 11:28.14 | fprophet | and not an ssd |
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| 11:30.14 | ChrisH | fprophet: Is the 40GB disk empty? Installing onto that disk with LVM is an option and then you can add parts of the 300GB disk to LVM and use the space there also |
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| 11:32.46 | Nethox | fprophet, try to free space with: df -m /; apt-get clean; df -m / |
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| 11:33.46 | ksuhku | Nethox, he's got a 300 _MB_ root, he's fucked |
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| 11:35.34 | Nethox | In his paste I don't see the mountpoints, just the partitions |
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| 11:36.04 | ksuhku | he said so earlier |
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| 11:36.56 | nachos | Hi, I'm trying to install debian on a i7 3930k x79 machine, its UEFI, i get to the installer, but the keyboard wont work. |
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| 11:37.06 | nachos | I mean, i get to the 4 install options |
| 11:37.16 | nachos | Install, graphical install, advanced, and something else |
| 11:37.41 | jacobw | that's probably nothing do with uefi |
| 11:37.46 | nachos | yeah? |
| 11:38.00 | nachos | maybe my keybord? mac pro? |
| 11:38.00 | ChrisH | fprophet: With set setup you will always be unhappy... "It's best to get unpleasant things over and done with" |
| 11:38.07 | fprophet | chrish: im just reinstalling. I am at the point where I setup the partitions |
| 11:38.24 | jacobw | nachos: does ctrl+alt+f1 work? |
| 11:38.35 | ksuhku | nachos, does caps lock led light? |
| 11:38.35 | fprophet | chrish: how should I do this |
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| 11:38.49 | ChrisH | fprophet: OK. use manuall or guided with LVM. I allways do it manually. |
| 11:38.59 | fprophet | guided got me into this mess |
| 11:39.01 | fprophet | f' that |
| 11:39.04 | babilen | nachos: You either want the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) for stable or the wheezy beta2 installer (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) for wheezy/testing on that hardware. That is, however, not necessarily related to your keyboard problem. |
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| 11:39.15 | ksuhku | jacobw, he's just in grub |
| 11:39.47 | jacobw | right |
| 11:40.04 | ChrisH | fprophet: http://workaround.org/book/export/html/370 looks fine to me. there we can follow together. |
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| 11:41.07 | ChrisH | fprophet: I assume you are at picture 9 http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-squeeze/ispmail-squeeze-09.png |
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| 11:41.26 | fprophet | does it make a difference that this isnt for a server, but a laptop that I use for everything |
| 11:41.39 | ChrisH | fprophet: does not make a difference |
| 11:42.06 | fprophet | I hope this goes well |
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| 11:42.26 | zined | "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 squeeze $TARGET http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian" => "E: Couldn't download dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages" |
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| 11:42.41 | fprophet | chrish: what are the file system types. should I not use ext3? |
| 11:43.15 | ChrisH | fprophet: keep us posted and we can assists.... Where are you now? Its a bit early for Filesystem selection |
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| 11:44.02 | fprophet | im at the part where I drool for a while after reading the partitioning options |
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| 11:44.40 | ChrisH | fprophet: http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-squeeze/ispmail-squeeze-13.png did you do that? |
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| 11:46.47 | fprophet | eh, have to take a break now. broke some dishes and need to clean up my mess :( |
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| 12:05.08 | fprophet | chrish: can I get that link you sent earlier. this computer restarted for some reason |
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| 12:06.10 | ksuhku | fprophet, it was http://workaround.org/book/export/html/370 |
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| 12:06.59 | fprophet | ksuhku: thank you |
| 12:07.14 | fprophet | wait, there was one after that |
| 12:07.18 | fprophet | I looked at this one |
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| 12:08.07 | ksuhku | fprophet, this? http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-squeeze/ispmail-squeeze-13.png |
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| 12:08.52 | ksuhku | fprophet, or perhaps this? http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-squeeze/ispmail-squeeze-09.png |
| 12:08.54 | fprophet | maybe. no idea :) |
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| 12:17.16 | fprophet | that picture guide doesn't seem to be the same for squeeze |
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| 12:18.20 | martxel | hi |
| 12:18.25 | fprophet | How large would a typical root partition be |
| 12:18.40 | ksuhku | say 15 gigs |
| 12:19.00 | fprophet | thats what I put |
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| 12:19.22 | fprophet | should this be logical |
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| 12:19.55 | fprophet | or primary |
| 12:20.16 | ksuhku | i think primary will do nicely |
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| 12:20.41 | mure | ciao |
| 12:21.35 | mure | list |
| 12:21.37 | fprophet | what does it mean by beginning or end as the location of the partition? |
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| 12:24.22 | ChrisH | fprophet: I was out for lunch... back now |
| 12:24.36 | fprophet | that's fine. I had to clean up an accident |
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| 12:25.25 | Jubei | guys I need some help troubleshooting an apt-get upgrade (not dist-upgrade). |
| 12:25.41 | ChrisH | fprophet: it looks like you again to a fixed partion not LVM. Is that intented? |
| 12:25.47 | Jubei | I tried this morning to install dhcp-server and my system asked me to install libc6 and a new kernel if I'm not mistaken |
| 12:26.01 | fprophet | Chrish, I didnt see any option for choosing LVM |
| 12:26.17 | Jubei | i thought before I install anything I'll do an apt-get upgrade to make sure all packages are up to date |
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| 12:26.29 | ChrisH | fprophet: Do you want to use LVM? |
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| 12:26.44 | fprophet | ChrisH: what is the purpose of lvm |
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| 12:27.17 | ChrisH | fprophet: have the flexibiliy to move disk space around as one of our initial questions was. |
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| 12:27.25 | fprophet | oh |
| 12:27.35 | ChrisH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management gives an idea |
| 12:27.43 | ChrisH | !lvm |
| 12:27.43 | fprophet | chrish: that sounds good. But I would also like to set up these partitions right now anyway |
| 12:27.44 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:28.28 | ChrisH | fprophet: therefore I asked if you want to use LVM, because we need to delete all the partiions but sda1 and 2 then |
| 12:28.43 | fprophet | chrish: i've already deleted all of the partitions. again |
| 12:29.24 | Jubei | when that happened the system couldn't install something and asked me to do apt-get -f |
| 12:29.34 | Jubei | so I did and here's what happened: http://codepad.org/o2nGFcL0 |
| 12:29.51 | Jubei | The last step , the step for grub failed |
| 12:29.52 | ChrisH | fprophet: then create one parttion of 2-300MB at the beginning for /boot in ext3 |
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| 12:30.43 | fprophet | chrish: why only 300mb? |
| 12:30.47 | Jubei | I went online and read that this happens when you add another physical volume to the LVM so I went to /boot/grub/device.map and added another line (hd1) /dev/vdb |
| 12:31.17 | Jubei | after that I re-ran the two lines that failed: run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.32-5-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 and |
| 12:31.17 | Jubei | run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 2.6.32-5-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:31.27 | Jubei | then reboot my system and all hell broke loose |
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| 12:31.35 | ChrisH | fprophet: create a second partions containing the rest of the disk. Use: physical volume for LVM |
| 12:31.35 | fprophet | chrish: also, what is the significance of the partition location? |
| 12:32.13 | ksuhku | it means how close physically to the disk center the partition is |
| 12:32.42 | ksuhku | close means short access time but smaller throughput, far the opposite |
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| 12:33.22 | ChrisH | fprophet: only 2-300MB as this is sufficient for /boot FFor your 300GB Disk its not an issue, but it can be, that older BIOS cannot read from all blocks. So putting /boot at the lower block numbers reduces this risk. Maybe its no longer needed |
| 12:33.27 | fprophet | I thought it was best practice to give home and such their own partitions |
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| 12:34.19 | fprophet | should boot be set to primary or logical? |
| 12:34.35 | ChrisH | fprophet: both primary |
| 12:34.50 | fprophet | and does it too use LVM? |
| 12:35.16 | fprophet | I dont see any option for LVM yet. |
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| 12:36.07 | ChrisH | fprophet: lvols are better then partitions.. Did you created 2 partiions? |
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| 12:36.56 | fprophet | I havent created one yet. trying to get as much information as I can |
| 12:37.03 | fprophet | well, I've created boot |
| 12:37.17 | fprophet | there are several things not mentioned yet. like label and volume |
| 12:37.30 | Nethox | ksuhku, why closer to the center means shorter access time? |
| 12:37.41 | fprophet | and mount options |
| 12:38.19 | ksuhku | Nethox, the disk arm has to move a shorter distance |
| 12:38.36 | fprophet | and bootable flag |
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| 12:40.32 | ChrisH | Lets stay with /boot In the menu you choose this partition to be /boot and ext3 you can select use a Physical volume for LVM (IIRC) as example one of my laptop setups: http://paste.debian.net/201538/ |
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| 12:41.07 | ksuhku | Nethox, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive#Performance_characteristics |
| 12:41.15 | mure | hallo |
| 12:41.23 | fprophet | chrish: i've done that. but there are several options there. do I not touch them? |
| 12:41.42 | fprophet | chrish: like bootable flag, mount options, etc |
| 12:41.43 | syntaxx | off/quit |
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| 12:42.04 | mure | hallo |
| 12:42.23 | Jubei | if anybody has a moment to read this I'd appreciate it: http://codepad.org/vnJL68u1 |
| 12:42.25 | ChrisH | fprophet: like in http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-squeeze/ispmail-squeeze-50.png ? |
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| 12:42.41 | fprophet | chrish: I'm using the graphical install if that makes a difference |
| 12:42.55 | fprophet | chrish: but yes, similar to that |
| 12:43.40 | ChrisH | fprophet: correct Mount pint and leave the rest. they can be changed later if needed |
| 12:43.48 | fprophet | ok |
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| 12:45.09 | ChrisH | Jubei: you should explain more about the disk layout. LVM with mirrored or stripped or concat disks? |
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| 12:46.50 | fprophet | chrish: alright, on to the second partition. primary partition with the rest of my space? |
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| 12:47.31 | ChrisH | fprophet: ACK. use as PV for LVM (Did not find a corresponding picture) |
| 12:47.58 | Jubei | ChrisH: stripped, and I think that the admin that handles my kvm config files, may have accidentally removed one of the disks today. Does that make any sense? |
| 12:48.22 | ChrisH | Jubei: that would explain all :( |
| 12:48.36 | ChrisH | Jubei: Couldn't find device with uuid F4KSRc-KP3Q-pGGS-Feoa-PsUo-1exL-irIKPT. |
| 12:49.10 | ChrisH | Jubei: from Refusing activation of partial LV var. Use --partial to override I assumed a stripped setup |
| 12:50.53 | fprophet | chrish: what do you mean? When I create the partition I have to give it a number to use |
| 12:51.49 | Jubei | ChrisH: this --partial, where should I add it? |
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| 12:51.58 | ChrisH | fprophet: What Number? sda2 or what do you mean? |
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| 12:53.01 | fprophet | chrish: for space to use |
| 12:53.11 | Jubei | nvm I'll google it. ChrisH thank you very much for the help. |
| 12:53.33 | ChrisH | Jubei: I would poweroff the box and get the diskfile from backup. Any other actions might also harm the still existing disk. --partial: lvchange -Ay --partions /dev/vgXX/lvolYYY but you have been warned! |
| 12:53.48 | Jubei | ChrisH:kk thank you. |
| 12:54.11 | ChrisH | fprophet: There should be a number (=remaining size) mentioned... keep it |
| 12:54.43 | nsadmin | did someone take a disk out of service? |
| 12:55.13 | ChrisH | nsadmin: he mentioned "I think that the admin that handles my kvm config files, may have accidentally removed one of the disks today" |
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| 12:55.47 | nsadmin | hmm, that could explain the message |
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| 13:00.26 | ChrisH | fprophet: any update meanwhile? |
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| 13:03.24 | fprophet | chrish: yes. I've created a primary, physical partition with lvm |
| 13:03.39 | fprophet | chrish: size of 319GB |
| 13:03.48 | ChrisH | fprophet: Did you create the Volumge Group already? |
| 13:04.00 | fprophet | the what now |
| 13:04.25 | ksuhku | uhm, wasn't the whole disk 300 GB? |
| 13:04.36 | nsadmin | so you have a physical vol, in a partiton |
| 13:04.41 | fprophet | ksuhkhu: apparently not. lol |
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| 13:05.07 | fprophet | nsadmin: I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 13:05.09 | frikinz | Is there any other service appart from dropbox that allows online storage and has a linux client? (free or not). With automatic synchronization. |
| 13:05.15 | ChrisH | fprophet: can you pastebin fdisk -l output? |
| 13:05.25 | nsadmin | a volume group is something that knows a bunch (or just one) physical volume (so far so good?) |
| 13:05.26 | fprophet | frikinz: google has something, I think |
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| 13:05.37 | ksuhku | ah, it was 300GiB not 300 GB... |
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| 13:05.56 | nsadmin | fprophet, understand so far? |
| 13:06.28 | fprophet | chrish: I can't. I havent finished the setup on that laptop |
| 13:06.38 | fprophet | chrish: and I dont know how to open a terminal in setup |
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| 13:06.54 | nsadmin | n/m must not be important |
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| 13:07.41 | fprophet | nsadmin: I feel like I dont understand, but I might |
| 13:08.01 | nsadmin | listen to what I just said... |
| 13:08.06 | nsadmin | so you have a physical vol, in a partiton |
| 13:08.15 | nsadmin | a volume group is something that knows a bunch (or just one) physical volume (so far so good?) |
| 13:08.20 | frikinz | fprophet: I didn't see any official client. then there's gdrive which is gpled but seems lot buggy and no auto sync. the follower is insync, doesn't provide source and looking at what's in the deb scares me. also the ubuntu deb doesn't install. thanks anyway |
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| 13:08.49 | ChrisH | fprophet: STRG-ALT-F2 should bring you to a terminal. ALT-F7 or ALT-F8 back to graphical. Dows your fdisk output looks like mine in http://paste.debian.net/201538 ? no WIndows expected |
| 13:08.53 | fprophet | nsadmin: I dont understand a few things. like the term 'physical volume' |
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| 13:09.31 | fprophet | chrish: alright, let me check |
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| 13:09.37 | ChrisH | Physical Volume is a word for the THING put into a Volume Group. Thing can be a partition or a while disk |
| 13:09.47 | nsadmin | an lvm physical volume is just a group of blocks formatted in such a way to be understood to be a supply of storage for lvm |
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| 13:10.08 | fprophet | I feel like I should need a book for this stuff |
| 13:10.30 | nsadmin | try to get these pieces alone for now |
| 13:10.41 | nsadmin | do you understand so far? |
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| 13:11.09 | Nethox | ksuhku, does the arm rest at the center of the disk (when the auto-standby function is not enabled, like by default)? |
| 13:11.29 | fprophet | chrish: it is still showing the old partition system |
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| 13:11.51 | SysE8 | hi |
| 13:12.06 | ksuhku | Nethox, actually looks like the real reason is the smaller rotational latency |
| 13:12.08 | SysE8 | is taht help ch ? |
| 13:12.14 | ChrisH | fprophet: Then you need to finish /done with partitioning and you will be prompted to write some changes to the disk. confirm it |
| 13:12.22 | Lasse- | SysE8: What you think :) |
| 13:12.24 | fprophet | chrish: and I cant save the changes. When I tried, I get an error saying root is not define |
| 13:12.33 | SysE8 | aha mmm |
| 13:12.49 | ksuhku | Nethox, i don't know how the arm works, sorry for misleading you there man |
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| 13:13.16 | SysE8 | where i can find the "grub*.cfg" file ? |
| 13:13.24 | Nethox | ksuhku, no problem. I think the rotational latency is compensated by the radius, i.e. the angular velocity is constant |
| 13:13.25 | ChrisH | fprophet: maybe we should setup the disk on a terminal using fdisk and continue with graphical installer aftwerwards. |
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| 13:14.55 | fprophet | chrish: there are two partitions, one for /boot and the lvm partition |
| 13:15.15 | ChrisH | fprophet: with the correct partition IDs? |
| 13:15.19 | ksuhku | Nethox, i believe that only improves throughput at the outer rims but not the time before a head is over a desired sector |
| 13:15.28 | fprophet | chrish: I have no idea what that is |
| 13:15.43 | SysE8 | i want to edit some kernel commandline for boot |
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| 13:16.06 | ChrisH | fprophet: In fdisk -l the coulum Id bevore System, see by paste. 8e and 83 |
| 13:16.13 | ksuhku | SysE8, grub1 or grub2? |
| 13:16.24 | Nethox | ksuhku, exactly. In fact, near the center I think the arm has to move more (thus longer seek time) because there's less area, so data is more spread |
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| 13:17.06 | ksuhku | Nethox, for large files, yes |
| 13:17.10 | fprophet | chrish: i dont see ID stuff anywhere in the partition menu |
| 13:17.28 | SysE8 | ksuhku, i think 2 |
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| 13:17.51 | ChrisH | fprophet: I asked you to go to a terminal and check it there! |
| 13:17.56 | nsadmin | fprophet, so I've been trying to tell you what the pieces of lvm are |
| 13:18.15 | nsadmin | I don't seem to be connecting |
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| 13:18.34 | ksuhku | SysE8, then the config file is at /etc/default/grub and you must run update-grub after any changes |
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| 13:18.54 | fprophet | nsadmin: I'm sorry. I'm running back and forth between the house. kind of confusing |
| 13:18.56 | fprophet | chrish: I cant |
| 13:19.19 | fprophet | crhrish: I cant, the partition doesnt save because there is no root defined |
| 13:19.34 | fprophet | chrish: it shows the old partition still |
| 13:19.44 | nsadmin | if you could stay in one place for a few mins, we could get more done |
| 13:20.31 | fprophet | okay |
| 13:20.40 | ChrisH | fprophet: forget about root at the moment. we need to create the VG first. and we might restart the installation process and have the sshd started during installation. Then you can stay at the same place :) |
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| 13:21.03 | SysE8 | ksuhku, how i can sure about the grub version |
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| 13:21.33 | fprophet | chrish: I've been following your instructions thus far, never made mention to root until saving the changes |
| 13:22.21 | fprophet | chrish: should I just restart the whole process? |
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| 13:23.05 | nsadmin | fpr, no, just keep it where it is... I've asked for a little time to explain |
| 13:23.24 | fprophet | okay |
| 13:23.27 | nsadmin | now, can I start? |
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| 13:23.32 | fprophet | sure |
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| 13:24.05 | ChrisH | keeps in background |
| 13:24.10 | nsadmin | ok, you have a partition for lvm, it's calld a physical volume (which is one of the three basic lvm pieces) |
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| 13:24.26 | fprophet | I believe so |
| 13:24.51 | nsadmin | a phyical volume is what lvm uses for the storage |
| 13:25.15 | nsadmin | a volume group serves two basic purposes... |
| 13:25.36 | ksuhku | SysE8, don't know an elegant way, do you have that file? |
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| 13:25.51 | mooperd | Does anyone have any ideas on how to get more detailed NFS client statistics than "iostat -nh" in linux? |
| 13:26.07 | mooperd | buffer usage or whatever |
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| 13:27.21 | Nethox | ksuhku, I got it finally. The granularity of the data at the center is greater than at the outside. In the extreme case of just one track with data written in reverse order, you would have to wait the rotation for each sector. So it's a matter of probability (and rotational speed as you said) |
| 13:27.47 | nsadmin | so, you could have like 10 drives, each of which has one or more physical vols and group them together into the same volume group |
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| 13:27.48 | nsadmin | or |
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| 13:28.12 | Nethox | ksuhku, up to now, I had never though that seek time was dependant on the radius, just the throughput |
| 13:28.14 | nsadmin | you could have one physical vol and one vol group |
| 13:28.26 | nsadmin | how we doin so far? |
| 13:28.33 | nsadmin | we have one more piece |
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| 13:28.52 | fprophet | I think I understand |
| 13:29.05 | ksuhku | Nethox, I tried once to wise up on the subject when planning partitioning |
| 13:29.32 | nsadmin | a "logical volume" takes its storage from a volume group, and is what you can format and moubt |
| 13:29.34 | Nethox | ksuhku, me too, mainly for the swap partition when it was more important than now |
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| 13:30.55 | abrotman | or just give him the wikipedia article to LVM so he can read it himself .. |
| 13:30.58 | ksuhku | Nethox, I was wondering whether to put /boot at the very beginning or the end of a disk |
| 13:31.05 | fprophet | abrotman, I am reading that |
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| 13:31.17 | abrotman | it's a much better source |
| 13:31.18 | smv_ | I'm having a problem with X. I use setxkbmap ro, to set the romanian keyboard map, but for some strange reason, my LeftAlt is not acting normally, but as a 4th level changer. AltGr is supposed to be the 3rd level changer (or whatever the word for that is), and is working fine. any ideea how to fix this? |
| 13:31.37 | nsadmin | you have a physicial volume now, what you need next is a volume group, and then you can make logical vols |
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| 13:32.39 | frikinz | nsadmin is a lvm wikipedia article in itself :) |
| 13:32.41 | nsadmin | physical volumes are only identified by their partition (for example /dev/sda2) |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | frikinz: doubtful |
| 13:33.18 | fprophet | how do you go about creating a volume group |
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| 13:33.31 | nsadmin | vgcreate |
| 13:33.55 | nsadmin | which will want a name (what do youwant to call the volume group) |
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| 13:34.11 | nsadmin | and one or more physical volumes |
| 13:34.51 | nsadmin | once you do that, then you can make formattable volumes |
| 13:35.27 | ksuhku | smv_, use gnome? (or kde) |
| 13:35.29 | nsadmin | using the volume group to pull storage from |
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| 13:36.00 | nsadmin | fprophet, do you see how the three main pieces work together? |
| 13:36.26 | smv_ | ksuhku, I'm using wmfs2, no DE. |
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| 13:36.27 | fprophet | msadmin, i think so |
| 13:37.04 | nsadmin | ok, cool. at least now, you know where you're headed |
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| 13:37.13 | TheWarden | Hi, I recently setup a system got it all working and then cloned the drive and stuck it into another system. Keep in mind that the other system is the same model and hardware specs. However saying that the NIC is noting showing up when doing ifconfig. |
| 13:37.19 | Brigo | smv_: do you have a .xmodmap in you home directory? |
| 13:37.35 | smv_ | Brigo, nope |
| 13:37.43 | TheWarden | I can see the NIC when checking dmesg | grep -i eth and lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 13:38.28 | somiaj | TheWarden: try ifconfig -a (do you see it now)? |
| 13:38.30 | ChrisH | dpkg tell TheWarden about udev mac |
| 13:39.09 | Brigo | dpkg tell Brigo about udev mac |
| 13:39.11 | Brigo | :-) |
| 13:39.25 | somiaj | Brigo: /msg dpkg udev mac |
| 13:39.34 | nsadmin | my usuall thing is to have one drive, one or more physical volumes (pvs), add a volume group moreorless named for the drive, and then make a bunch of logical vols (I usually call them root, usr, var, home, swap) |
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| 13:39.51 | zleap | ls -l |
| 13:39.56 | zleap | hello |
| 13:39.59 | TheWarden | somiaj: I should have tried -a. Yes its there, but no assigned IP address and for some reason the NIC has been renamed from eth0 to eth1. |
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| 13:40.09 | nsadmin | ChrisH: thanks, I think he understands where you're going |
| 13:40.38 | fprophet | nsadmin: that is what I would like to do as well. |
| 13:40.44 | Brigo | somiaj: thanks :-) |
| 13:40.45 | ChrisH | nsadmin: Thanks for your explanation... Gave me time to do some ugly tests with a customer's system :) |
| 13:40.57 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea it is because the mac has changed. You can look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 13:41.07 | somiaj | TheWarden: modify that to change it to eth0 again, you'll proabaly have to reboot |
| 13:41.16 | TheWarden | would there be some config file I need to change for the NIC due to cloning? Everything else works on the system at least so it appears just not getting access to the network. |
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| 13:41.22 | somiaj | or you can just call it eth1 and go with it. |
| 13:41.24 | Brigo | TheWarden: may be you should modify configure in /etc/network/intefaces, eth1, no eth0 |
| 13:41.37 | nsadmin | ChrisH, welcome |
| 13:41.40 | babilen | somiaj, TheWarden: Reloading the module in question *might* be enough though. (not sure right now) |
| 13:41.56 | TheWarden | The system has been rebooted once since it was powered on. |
| 13:42.10 | somiaj | babilen: its a udev thing so not sure if it is ran when udev detects the device not just loads the module. But yes it *might* work. |
| 13:42.42 | ChrisH | nsadmin,fprophet I would suggest that we start a new installation session without using the graplihcal interface and start the install mode sshd then. This will allow fprophet to stay at the system he is now and do the installation remote. Agreed? |
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| 13:43.11 | Nethox | I recommend not filling the whole VG space with LVs, in order to be able to create a snapshot volume for consistent backups. In fact, I create a dummy "reserved" LV to prevent myself from using that space which I will need in the future |
| 13:43.24 | fprophet | chrish: I dont mind wiping the system. It probably needs it anyway |
| 13:43.36 | babilen | somiaj: exactly -- might also be necessary to run "udevadm trigger" .. |
| 13:44.10 | ChrisH | fprophet: the other option is to get back the installer main menu and look for a menupoint create Volume Group |
| 13:44.27 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay I'll give that a try. I do have to do a reboot, mmm can I not just do "udevadm trigger" ? |
| 13:44.34 | Nethox | That's because cow-on-write operations need disk space for modified data. And in my experience, filling a snapshot volume because it was too short is painful, total hang |
| 13:44.36 | TheWarden | Brigo: Its already set to eht0. |
| 13:44.45 | TheWarden | babilen: reload as in udevadm trigger ? |
| 13:44.47 | ChrisH | fprophet: I never used the graphical installer as I am faster with the other one :) |
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| 13:45.15 | nsadmin | ChrisH sounds neat to me :) the ssh install that is |
| 13:45.20 | ksuhku | the graphical is nothing but waste of electrons |
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| 13:46.04 | Nethox | The CLI is cool because you can turn off the monitor and still know what you are doing |
| 13:46.15 | nsadmin | a waste of an electron would be very bad for the balance of nature,,,' |
| 13:46.21 | TheWarden | mmm not sure how to reload the module.... never done this before oddly. |
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| 13:47.29 | zleap | where does apt store package information |
| 13:47.37 | zleap | i looked in /etc/apt |
| 13:47.59 | zleap | but there is somewhere a list of all packages, status etc its good for fixing apt errors |
| 13:48.06 | AlcariTheMad | zleap: look around in /var/lib/ |
| 13:48.08 | ChrisH | zleap: that _var_iable information and there below /var |
| 13:48.09 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.20 | babilen | TheWarden: Module reload == "modprobe -r MODULE_USED_BY_NIC ; modprobe MODULE_USED_BY_NIC" -- "udevadm trigger" just replays udev events ... |
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| 13:48.42 | norbert_ | hi, is there an easy way to check the system proxy settings from a console? |
| 13:49.04 | zleap | this is more of a database |
| 13:49.11 | zleap | as in large text file, |
| 13:49.16 | themill | zleap: what are you really wanting to know? |
| 13:49.22 | zleap | where is it |
| 13:49.28 | babilen | zleap: What exactly? |
| 13:49.33 | themill | zleap: or more precisely, what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 13:49.44 | ChrisH | norbert_: set | grep proxy .. it depends on the DE you are running. |
| 13:49.53 | zleap | the file that stores the package information, status of the package |
| 13:50.03 | TheWarden | babilen: okay, how do I find out the module name to do that? |
| 13:50.05 | gihad | I'm packaging a Java application, where can I find a guide on the correct folders to use for different files (e.g. config files in /etc/app/, logs in /var/log/app/) ? |
| 13:50.19 | themill | zleap: it's not there for you to fiddle with. What are you really trying to do? |
| 13:50.27 | babilen | TheWarden: Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 ethernet" |
| 13:51.08 | zleap | well i edited it before when a package was seriously borked, and it seemed to allow me to re-install it |
| 13:51.25 | babilen | TheWarden: Make that "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" -- Sorry :/ |
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| 13:52.07 | TheWarden | babilen: no problem I figured that out :-). Thanks. |
| 13:53.08 | ksuhku | gihad, hopefully here http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
| 13:53.34 | somiaj | TheWarden: most likely you don't need to reboot, rebooting just kept from having to explain the other way (: |
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| 13:53.44 | TheWarden | babilen: That is so cool not having to reboot. Thanks it worked. |
| 13:53.46 | norbert_ | ChrisH: thanks, I don't think there's anything set, because no http_proxy or something like that is showing up, just some proxy-related parameters that seem to be used by other stuff |
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| 13:53.52 | babilen | TheWarden: Wonderful :) |
| 13:54.07 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I realize a reboot would have been easier but just wanted to learn how to do this without a reboot. Thanks. |
| 13:54.11 | babilen | !tell gihad about nmg |
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| 13:55.24 | babilen | gihad: You might also want to check http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/JavaPackaging + http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Packaging (use javahelper) |
| 13:55.59 | TheWarden | So to understand this correctly, why would the system rename the device eth1 and then not work? Heck making the changes to the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules replacing eth1 to eth0 I noticed that the NIC had the correct MAC address instead of the one it originally had from the cloning. |
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| 13:56.44 | somiaj | TheWarden: in the case you have multiple nic address they can be detected in different orders each time you boot which can be very annoying |
| 13:57.11 | somiaj | TheWarden: what that does is ensure the same device always gets the same interface name. Which has the side effect, you change the mac address of the device you change the interface name. |
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| 13:57.23 | ksuhku | so the old mac got eth0 |
| 13:57.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: sorry multiple ethernet cards (not nic address) |
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| 13:58.16 | TheWarden | somiaj: yes that makes sense but the NIC was not functional until editing the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reloading module. Even a reboot didn't fix it previously. |
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| 13:58.41 | somiaj | TheWarden: not it was functional. It was just called eth1 (not eth0) |
| 13:59.00 | somiaj | TheWarden: so all your bootup scripts only knew about eth0 and didn't do anything to eth1. It was wroking just not configured |
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| 13:59.39 | somiaj | you could have alternativaly edit /etc/network/interface and turned eth0 to eth1 and it would have worked to |
| 13:59.49 | babilen | That would have been ugly though IMHO |
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| 13:59.59 | TheWarden | somiaj: Ohhhh okay that makes sense now. Mmmm I wonder how I could avoid this when doing cloning? |
| 14:00.30 | somiaj | TheWarden: edit the presestient net files before booting up the new system |
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| 14:01.23 | somiaj | or edit it before you make the clone. Then that way the first boot puts the device it finds as eth0 in that file |
| 14:02.08 | Brigo | TheWarden: I just find it: http://6.ptmc.org/164 |
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| 14:03.28 | Brigo | TheWarden: remove the file and make it a directory. |
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| 14:04.03 | babilen | Brigo: That is so ugly I feel dirty for having read that. I mean, at least use "chattr +i" or something sensible, but ... *shudder* |
| 14:04.10 | jrgp | hi guys. what's the easiest/fastest way to list the contents of a directory with six million files? ls and find each take like 3 hours |
| 14:04.33 | babilen | jrgp: list it on screen? |
| 14:05.07 | jrgp | do you mean running the ls/find command in gnu screen or something else? maily I want an alternative directory listing program that is designed to list huge folders |
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| 14:05.24 | abrotman | jrgp: echo * any faster? |
| 14:05.57 | babilen | jrgp: Do you actually want to see it (on a screen/monitor) or are you trying to create, say, a file with the content that you can then work with? |
| 14:05.58 | jrgp | abrotman: that will not help anything |
| 14:06.03 | TheWarden | somiaj: edit the file to have the correct mac address you mean for the device or would it be proper to disable the auto rule generation like Brigo suggested? |
| 14:06.11 | TheWarden | Brigo: but is that the proper way to handle this though? |
| 14:06.14 | jrgp | babilen: either would be fine |
| 14:06.18 | ChrisH | I did SHIFT-CTRL-T on a KDE Terminal, how to undo this split? |
| 14:06.42 | jrgp | ChrisH: look through the nav bar at the top of the terminal. there's something like unsplit in there somewhere |
| 14:07.14 | babilen | jrgp: Rendering that *will* take time as would reading the information about all 3m files. I guess that redirecting the output to a file would help |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | jrgp: what do you want to do with the data ? |
| 14:07.34 | ChrisH | jrgp: there was only close but no unsplit... checked that before |
| 14:07.37 | jrgp | abrotman: just see what's there |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | jrgp: right .. but uh, after that? :) |
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| 14:07.54 | Brigo | TheWarden: i think there is no proper way yet ... :-/ |
| 14:08.02 | jrgp | abrotman: that depends on what they are, but that isn't important right now |
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| 14:08.19 | abrotman | it may be, that's why i'm asking .. |
| 14:08.43 | abrotman | 6 mil files will take a long time no matter what .. if you can trim down that set based on some criteria before you start .. |
| 14:08.44 | jrgp | abrotman: let's pretend I want get a list of all jpg files so I can thumbnail all of them |
| 14:09.08 | Brigo | babilen: i really sorry, but i only cut & paste :-) |
| 14:09.17 | ksuhku | that's a respectable porn collection all right |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | jrgp: ls *.jpg ? also results in 6 mil files? |
| 14:09.48 | abrotman | jrgp: also, find . -name *.jpg -exec thumbnail.sh {} \; |
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| 14:11.02 | jrgp | guys, I found out that ls -1U works fine, as it doesn't sort the entries before hand and just lists them as they appear |
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| 14:12.45 | TheWarden | maybe it would be best if I just removed the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules all together on the source drive and then when the system boots up a new one would be created avoiding the eth1, eth2, etc. ? Would that be right? |
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| 14:13.09 | abrotman | TheWarden: seems reasonable |
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| 14:13.37 | TheWarden | abrotman: well I think so but not sure if that behavior will occur as expected. Have to try it out. |
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| 14:13.59 | namoamitabuddha | Um, hi, folks! |
| 14:14.25 | namoamitabuddha | What's the suggested behavior of setting `alsactl restore` automatically while booting the Debian system? |
| 14:14.50 | ChrisH | fprophet: still installing? Did you start the sshd and access the system from remote? |
| 14:14.50 | namoamitabuddha | Have I clearly described? |
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| 14:16.53 | abrotman | TheWarden: the file will be recreated, but you'll have no real control over which order they are added |
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| 14:17.19 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: you may want to specify which version of debian, that has changed recently i bleieve |
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| 14:18.52 | namoamitabuddha | Oh, thanks, Debian Wheezy. |
| 14:20.15 | namoamitabuddha | Now is it enough? |
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| 14:23.45 | SiDz | how do i remove a man page from the man db |
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| 14:24.23 | SiDz | root@SiD:~# man squidanalyzer |
| 14:24.23 | SiDz | man: can't resolve /usr/local/share/man/man3/squidanalyzer.3: No such file or directory |
| 14:24.23 | SiDz | No manual entry for squidanalyzer |
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| 14:26.03 | iirelu | situation: i installed debian and accidentally overwrote everything on my disc. i dont know how to use debian and everything is breaking. |
| 14:26.09 | no_gravity | Hello! During installation of debian, can I tell the installer to install in an encrypted partition? Can I create an encrypted LVM while installing? |
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| 14:26.51 | dkr | no_gravity: an already existing encrypted partition? |
| 14:26.53 | Nethox | I don't know the current state, but mixing LVM with encryption in the debian-installer didn't work very well |
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| 14:27.31 | ChrisH | no_gravity: yes,yes I did setup encrytption -> LVM -> Lvol works fine |
| 14:27.47 | dkr | iirelu: we can't fix "everything" but if you describe individual problems and error messages we might be able to point you int he right direction. :) |
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| 14:27.48 | no_gravity | dkr: not sure what you mean. currently the machine has one partition with an linux on it. i would like to put an encrypted debian partition next to it. |
| 14:27.59 | no_gravity | ChrisH: debian 6 or 7? |
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| 14:28.36 | dkr | no_gravity: yeah, that is doable, i was making sure you didn't mean you already had an encrypted partition and wanted to install debian to it. creating it during the install is possible |
| 14:28.36 | ChrisH | no_gravity: in etch, lenny and squeeze |
| 14:28.37 | fprophet | chrish: quick question, if I wanted to resize one of the lv's? |
| 14:28.49 | namoamitabuddha | Ah |
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| 14:29.15 | no_gravity | ChrisH: i dont know the names. i know debian 6, which is usually to old for me. i would try a newer one if it supports encryption while installing. |
| 14:29.16 | ChrisH | fprophet: lvextend or lvresize from CLI |
| 14:29.19 | iirelu | well... the screen is 1280x720 on my 1920x1080 screen, the screen flashes every few seconds, the gui looks a lot different to when i installed it on virtualbox as a test |
| 14:29.39 | fprophet | chrish: and you can resize any lv right? |
| 14:29.45 | no_gravity | dkr: ok, so let me try to download debian. where do i find the right version that is newer then debian 6? |
| 14:29.56 | dkr | dpkg: netinst |
| 14:29.57 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 14:30.07 | ChrisH | no_gravity: squeeze is 6 and I did it with previous version too incl. mirroring |
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| 14:30.46 | dkr | dpkg: tell no_gravity about testing |
| 14:31.06 | ChrisH | fprophet: I never shrinked a LV only increased |
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| 14:32.05 | Nethox | fprophet, before reducing a LV, reduce the filesystem contained. Per example with gparted |
| 14:32.25 | no_gravity | dkr: so you say to use "ia64" from this page? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:32.39 | SiDz | http://pastebin.com/SWvzVhD6 any idea how to fix that |
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| 14:33.13 | abrotman | SiDz: they're bad symlinks, why can't you just ignore them ? |
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| 14:33.54 | no_gravity | ChrisH, dkr: just to make sure: im not talking about an encrypted home dir. i want to encrypt the whole debian partition. thats possible during installation? |
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| 14:34.19 | dkr | no_gravity: if that is your architecture it seems reasonable. :) I also recommend reading the release notes for installation advice |
| 14:34.22 | ChrisH | no_gravity: yes... but do not encrypt /boot |
| 14:34.24 | dkr | no_gravity: yes |
| 14:34.42 | no_gravity | dkr, ChrisH: ok, downloading it now... |
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| 14:40.54 | fprophet | what is the typical location of root and /home in an ordinary partition system |
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| 14:43.54 | somiaj | TheWarden: you can just remove all enteries from that file. A new one will be added when the machine boots up and detects a new device with a new mac address |
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| 14:44.25 | no_gravity | dkr, ChrisH: would it also be possible to create an encrypted partition manually and then in the installation tell debian to use it as /? |
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| 14:44.58 | somiaj | TheWarden: basically when an ethernet card is detected it checks that file to see if it 'knows' about that card. If it does it gives it the interface name from that file. If it dosen't know that card exists it creates a new entry in that file and assigns it the first availabile name not used. |
| 14:45.06 | oskie | I recall reading somewhere that lost+found directories are not needed in Debian any longer... or at least not will all fs types. Anyone know? |
| 14:45.22 | somiaj | TheWarden: if that file is empty (or not there) it will assign the device it detects eth0 and put the mac address in that file for you |
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| 14:46.51 | no_gravity | Hmm.. I put the net intaller on a stick but the computer does not boot from it. Any ideas why? |
| 14:47.13 | dkr | bios boot order? |
| 14:47.37 | no_gravity | dkr: the stick is set as priority 1 |
| 14:47.43 | dkr | no_gravity: i think it's best to create the encrypted partition with the installer. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PartmanCrypto |
| 14:47.49 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know if Is it possible to have multiple cables from one infiniband switch to another one to improve the bandwidth, like link aggregation? |
| 14:47.58 | no_gravity | dkr: it boots a mint stick i have created the same way. |
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| 14:48.18 | no_gravity | dkr: this is how i did it: dd if=debian-wheezy-DI-b2-ia64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M |
| 14:48.24 | somiaj | no_gravity: how did you put the net install on that stick? Did you tell your bios to boot from the device? |
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| 14:48.40 | dkr | no_gravity: did you get "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" image? |
| 14:48.43 | ksuhku | no_gravity, is that the correct arch? |
| 14:48.45 | no_gravity | somiaj: yes, i till the bios. i created the stick like this: dd if=debian-wheezy-DI-b2-ia64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M |
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| 14:49.29 | no_gravity | dkr, ksuhku: i downloaded this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/ia64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b2-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 14:49.44 | no_gravity | the machine is an intel i7 |
| 14:49.49 | norbert_ | I'm kinda curious why Debian isn't using LibreOffice |
| 14:49.57 | ksuhku | no_gravity, then you want amd64 |
| 14:49.59 | norbert_ | (in stable at least, didn't check the others) |
| 14:50.03 | dkr | no_gravity: see where that says "iso-cd"? you didn't use a cd. :) |
| 14:50.09 | ksuhku | ia64 is titanic |
| 14:50.12 | no_gravity | ksuhku: amd for an intel machine? |
| 14:50.19 | ksuhku | yes |
| 14:50.46 | no_gravity | ksuhku: ok, downloading it |
| 14:51.04 | dkr | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" |
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| 14:51.24 | ChrisH | ia64 is itanium and rare |
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| 14:51.33 | fprophet | ksuhkhu: do you happen to know what the difference of having root and home partition location set to beginning vs end would make? |
| 14:51.42 | no_gravity | dkr: i started on that link. |
| 14:52.23 | ksuhku | no_gravity, amd64 is the name of the architecture and not the vendor, don't worry, many people make that mistake |
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| 14:52.39 | no_gravity | dkr: and then below "netinst" i choosed amd64 now. lets see if it works... |
| 14:53.01 | no_gravity | ksuhku: ok. so amd64 is the right one? |
| 14:53.07 | ksuhku | you bet |
| 14:53.13 | no_gravity | ok |
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| 14:53.25 | Nethox | AKA x86_64 |
| 14:53.31 | somiaj | no_gravity: yea if you want 64bit use amd64 if you want 32bit use i386 |
| 14:53.38 | no_gravity | somiaj: ok |
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| 14:54.15 | ksuhku | and you'll only want to consider 32 bit if you use proprietary crud |
| 14:54.16 | somiaj | amd64 is just the code anem for the generic x86_64 instruction set. The kernel will correctly detect if you are actually intel or amd and load the additional features for your chip. |
| 14:54.28 | no_gravity | dd is running... |
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| 14:56.33 | dkr | dpkg: tell norbert_ about libreoffice |
| 14:57.15 | ksuhku | fprophet, probably not much difference, I suggest you put root to beginning |
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| 14:57.41 | fprophet | ksuhku: what would you suggest for everything else, including swap |
| 14:58.05 | ksuhku | fprophet, swap beginning too, home end |
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| 14:59.09 | fprophet | boot at the beginning, too I guess |
| 14:59.16 | ksuhku | yea |
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| 14:59.37 | fprophet | var, tmp and usr at end? |
| 14:59.50 | ksuhku | I'd put those begin too |
| 14:59.57 | fprophet | oh? |
| 15:00.09 | fprophet | im trying to understand the importantance of location |
| 15:00.26 | ksuhku | I think it boils down to average file size and usage |
| 15:00.35 | ksuhku | small files towards beginning is better |
| 15:00.45 | fprophet | oh. I think I get it |
| 15:01.05 | outlaw84 | Hey, I recall that there is an apt-get command the allowed all the depenencies for building a package to be downloaded. But I can't remember what it is |
| 15:01.10 | ksuhku | home is likely to have large files, unlike the others roughly speaking |
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| 15:01.29 | fprophet | what if root had, say, 20gb of space allocated to it. does partition size mean no difference |
| 15:01.38 | ksuhku | outlaw84, apt-get build-dep <PACKAGE> |
| 15:01.50 | outlaw84 | ksuhku: thanks |
| 15:01.59 | ksuhku | (that will download AND INSTALL fwiw) |
| 15:02.25 | ksuhku | fprophet, I don't think that makes a difference |
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| 15:03.56 | fprophet | ksukhu: ah, okay |
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| 15:08.21 | no_gravity | Ok, this time the stick boots! I simply choose "install"? Or Advanced Options? |
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| 15:09.11 | no_gravity | Well, i go for "install"... |
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| 15:10.04 | cryptic_ | hi all i know this is far fetched and probably laughed at but |
| 15:10.20 | cryptic_ | does anyone use ircii here ? i just want a taste of old school irc |
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| 15:10.47 | no_gravity | cryptic_: you mean irssi? |
| 15:10.57 | cryptic_ | nope |
| 15:10.58 | cryptic_ | i mean ircii |
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| 15:11.41 | no_gravity | Debian installation says "rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw" should be provided via usb stick. what do i do now? |
| 15:11.53 | LtL | cryptic_: yes i have ircII just for kicks, first irc client i ever used |
| 15:12.07 | cryptic_ | LtL do you use it ? |
| 15:12.09 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about installer firmware |
| 15:12.16 | LtL | cryptic_: no :) |
| 15:12.21 | cryptic_ | lol |
| 15:12.27 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about firmware image |
| 15:12.38 | LtL | cryptic_: irssi is my fave for a few reasons. |
| 15:12.59 | no_gravity | babilen: hmm... now i do what? |
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| 15:13.36 | cryptic_ | my bad |
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| 15:13.52 | babilen | no_gravity: You download the firmware package for squeeze (firmware-realtek that is), put it on a USB stick and provide it. Or you download the image *with* firmware and use that for the installation. |
| 15:14.46 | ksuhku | no_gravity, or install hardware that does not require proprietary firmware |
| 15:14.54 | no_gravity | babilen: i downloaded the .tar.gz on that page, but i cannot see the file debian asks for. |
| 15:15.51 | no_gravity | ksuhku: other hardware? then i would probably rather install some other os. |
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| 15:15.56 | babilen | no_gravity: It either wants the tar.gz or http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek (both should work) |
| 15:16.17 | no_gravity | babilen: i provide it the tar.gz, not the file it asks for? |
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| 15:16.33 | babilen | no_gravity: IIRC you have a second partition on your USB stick on which you can put the tar.gz or the firmware-realtek*.deb file. |
| 15:16.43 | babilen | no_gravity: Yeah, the tar.gz itself should be fine |
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| 15:17.13 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, that is under the assumption that it actually contains the realtek firmware. (it should, but I haven't checked) |
| 15:17.22 | apm1 | no first he has to extract the .debs from the tar.gz |
| 15:17.25 | no_gravity | babilen: ok... now where do i find another usb stick... |
| 15:17.35 | no_gravity | and how do i format it? |
| 15:18.14 | babilen | no_gravity: As I said: If I remember correctly you have a second partition on your USB stick on which you can place the firmware. You can *also* just use the "/msg dpkg firmware image" in the first place. |
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| 15:18.33 | ksuhku | no_gravity, just so you know who makes you jump through these hoops |
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| 15:18.51 | no_gravity | babilen: hmm.. too late i just formatted another stick with the gnome format-tool. which tells me the format didnt work. ha. |
| 15:19.04 | bla | Is there any usable open-source dropbox client? |
| 15:19.12 | no_gravity | so whats the command line tool to format something? |
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| 15:19.32 | bla | no_gravity, as vfat? mkfs.vfat |
| 15:19.50 | babilen | ,v nautilus-dropbox |
| 15:19.51 | judd | Package: nautilus-dropbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.6.7-3~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 1.4.0-3; wheezy/non-free: 1.4.0-3 |
| 15:19.55 | babilen | bla: ^^^ for example |
| 15:20.05 | babilen | bla: Err, that is not open source though. |
| 15:20.23 | bla | Hm. I'd be more concerned - would it work without gnome run from the console? |
| 15:20.27 | bla | (No nautilus?) |
| 15:20.27 | no_gravity | bla: vfat? sounds like 1990. anyhow.. here we go... |
| 15:20.39 | bla | no_gravity, I'd use ext4 myself, depends on the reasons... |
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| 15:20.45 | babilen | bla: Is the protocol actually free? I was under the impression that you couldn't code an open source client, but .. lets check. |
| 15:20.51 | no_gravity | bla: reason? install debian... |
| 15:21.15 | babilen | !tell bla -about dropbox |
| 15:21.18 | bla | pendrive with drivers? So ext4/ext3 should do in fact. |
| 15:21.22 | bla | babilen, thanks! |
| 15:21.36 | no_gravity | bla: i formatted it in vfat now. reformat? |
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| 15:21.44 | bla | no_gravity, should do as well imho. |
| 15:21.50 | no_gravity | ok |
| 15:21.51 | babilen | no_gravity: As I said: It is probably much easier to use the installer image *with* firmware in the first place. (/msg dpkg installer firmware) -- On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 15:22.22 | no_gravity | babilen: i7 |
| 15:22.43 | bla | babilen, he is trying to use realtek firmware as far I've understood. |
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| 15:23.15 | babilen | no_gravity: You want a newer kernel for that. Either use "/msg dpkg kmuto" which will install <stable> with a newer kernel and includes firmware or use the beta2 wheezy installer (no firmware here) to install testing. |
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| 15:23.49 | no_gravity | "easy installation" is written on debian.org. thats the most evil lie i ever heard... if there would be a competition on the os thats hardest to install, debian still would win price 1, price 2 and price 3... |
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| 15:24.05 | no_gravity | babilen: am i NOT using the beta2 wheezy installer? |
| 15:24.06 | babilen | no_gravity: You can also continue with your installation now and install a backported kernel afterwards as in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel", but IMHO it is less work to just use the kmuto installer in the first place. |
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| 15:24.26 | babilen | no_gravity: I don't know -- *Are* you using the beta2 wheezy installer? |
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| 15:24.51 | no_gravity | babilen: the iso is called "debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso" |
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| 15:25.33 | babilen | no_gravity: Ah, ok. (I didn't read the entire backlog and as we are in #debian and not #debian-next I assumed that you are talking about squeeze) |
| 15:25.56 | no_gravity | I inserted the stick and choosed to install missing firmware. the same dialog came back on screen :( |
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| 15:26.31 | babilen | no_gravity: I am not entirely sure how well the "two usb sticks" approach works :) |
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| 15:26.44 | bla | no_gravity, do you need a working network card to finish installation? Maybe go on with basic system install and then install non-free firmware if necessary manually. Would work for me. |
| 15:26.49 | no_gravity | babilen: at least the second one starts blinking after i choose yes. |
| 15:27.02 | babilen | no_gravity: And what did you put on there? |
| 15:27.03 | no_gravity | bla: i have no idea... |
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| 15:27.22 | no_gravity | babilen: firmware.tar.gz |
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| 15:29.12 | babilen | no_gravity: Try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:29.51 | peludo | hello, I have a radeon HD6450 on a debian based system and I have wierd intermittent flashes, does anyone have any clue what may causing it and how to fix it? |
| 15:30.02 | no_gravity | babilen: boot from that or provide that during installation? |
| 15:30.11 | apm1 | any news on wheezy beta 3 ? |
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| 15:30.21 | Lasse- | peludo: Which driver are you using |
| 15:30.30 | babilen | no_gravity: Ah, and apparently you need to unpack the firmware.tar.gz .. sorry about that, but it is discussed in http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 15:30.41 | peludo | lass im using the proprietary driver |
| 15:30.52 | harrison | i installed a debian-sid-based no X iso yesterday and then added X windows using apt |
| 15:30.59 | harrison | Now I have X (and xfce) but can no longer reach a console terminal! |
| 15:31.02 | babilen | apm1: Did it work with the scrolling? |
| 15:31.03 | harrison | ctrl-alt-F1 (F2,..F6) switches to a black screen with a blinking cursor |
| 15:31.12 | harrison | which accepts no input |
| 15:31.12 | apm1 | babilen, no :( |
| 15:31.45 | bla | harrison, that is sometimes caused by a graphic card being unable to switch mode back correctly, you can try disableing/enabling framebuffer or changing X driver |
| 15:31.45 | no_gravity | babilen: i just choosed "no" for the additional hardware for now. |
| 15:31.45 | babilen | apm1: You just ran off and I am not sure what you tried. Could you set it manually with xinput? |
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| 15:32.04 | bla | harrison, or just using X all the way (that's what I've learnt to do). Even for mostly consoles. |
| 15:32.14 | no_gravity | babilen: it seems it go internet connection anyhow (i plugged in a cable since i never got a debian installer to work without a cable) |
| 15:32.14 | babilen | no_gravity: That means that you will not be able to download anything from the network (assuming you are connected via ethernet) |
| 15:32.25 | apm1 | babilen, i appreciate your help but at that time i nearly fell off my chair since i haven't slep for 3 days :p |
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| 15:32.37 | harrison | i use smxi and sgfxi for d-u and graphics driver install |
| 15:32.41 | babilen | no_gravity: Not all realtek NICs need firmware though and the message might have been a false positive |
| 15:32.50 | harrison | those scripts will not work except in the console |
| 15:32.56 | no_gravity | So im in the partitioner now. How do I set up an encrypted partition? |
| 15:33.09 | bla | harrison, except for framebuffer cases it's doubtful... |
| 15:33.15 | babilen | harrison: That is not supported by us at all. Try #smxi or use the Debian packages (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) |
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| 15:33.41 | babilen | apm1: I would recommened some sleep then. |
| 15:33.44 | apm1 | babilen, i have never used xinput :( can you guide me ? |
| 15:33.52 | harrison | thank you |
| 15:34.12 | babilen | apm1: Hmm, I gave you the exact commands back then. Let me check again. Do you have the web page I gave you? |
| 15:34.16 | no_gravity | Maybe I first set up an unencrypted boot partition? |
| 15:34.49 | apm1 | babilen, just a sec let me get it from browser history |
| 15:35.13 | babilen | apm1: http://paste.debian.net/201574/ |
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| 15:36.38 | apm1 | babilen, ok thanks again sir :) |
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| 15:37.05 | no_gravity | i wonder if i just can create /boot and an encrypted partition and put / into it and im done... |
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| 15:40.27 | gihad | I looked at a lot of the debian packaging documentation but I still can't find a simple explanation of which directories should be used for different kind of files :/ |
| 15:40.57 | apm1 | babilen, can't find the ultranav buttons http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d0cade11/ |
| 15:41.37 | babilen | apm1: It is "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" just like in my example. The commands I've given you should work then! |
| 15:41.53 | babilen | !tell gihad -about fhs |
| 15:42.06 | babilen | gihad: Does that clarify this question? |
| 15:43.21 | gihad | babilen, yes. FHS seems to be what I was looking for |
| 15:43.27 | babilen | gihad: wonderful :) |
| 15:43.39 | babilen | !tell gihad -about policy |
| 15:43.59 | babilen | gihad: The Debian policy also contains information on that, but the FHS is the general standard. |
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| 15:44.33 | Nethox | gihad, also, man hier |
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| 15:46.23 | babilen | Nethox: See "/msg dpkg fhs" for further references ;) |
| 15:46.49 | apm1 | babilen, it works ! :) |
| 15:47.00 | apm1 | now how do i make this permanent ? |
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| 15:48.38 | babilen | apm1: Create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wheel-emulation.conf with http://paste.debian.net/201579/ in there |
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| 15:48.53 | babilen | apm1: Peter discusses that in his blog post btw |
| 15:49.23 | babilen | apm1: You might have to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory |
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| 15:51.45 | no_gravity | Does anybody know this? When installing debian testing, i can simply create an unecrypted partition, use it as /boot and an encrypted partition, use it as / and this will work? |
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| 15:52.53 | frikinz | try? |
| 15:53.30 | no_gravity | frikinz: thats what im about to do... |
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| 15:54.00 | babilen | no_gravity: That would work. fwiw, I would do the same but run LVM in the middle. |
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| 15:54.24 | no_gravity | babilen: why? |
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| 15:55.12 | babilen | no_gravity: I like to keep (at least) /var and /home separate .... I typically don't use all available space at the beginning and LVM allows me to grow volume groups later on as the need arises. |
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| 15:55.18 | apm1 | babilen, what does the 50 in the name of the file signifies because peter uses 90 in his blog post ? |
| 15:55.46 | no_gravity | babilen: ok, i understand. i dont have these requirements, so here we go... :) |
| 15:56.26 | babilen | apm1: Nothing really ... They are read in alphabetical order and options in 99-wheel-emulation.conf would therefore shadow those in 50-wheel-emulation.conf. The important bit is the .conf at the end |
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| 15:56.54 | apm1 | babilen, i did as you asked now what reboot to test ? |
| 15:57.21 | babilen | apm1: Restarting Xorg really, but a reboot would work too, yeah. |
| 15:57.43 | apm1 | babilen, rebooting now will report how it goes |
| 15:57.46 | babilen | ack |
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| 16:00.21 | deso | hi, my mouse isn't working; debian wheezy, is a Sharkoon mouse with variable DPI, don't know if that makes a difference; also running xfce4, mouse lights on but no movement |
| 16:00.38 | deso | (actually mouse lights on but lazer doesn't seem to be) |
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| 16:02.20 | apm1 | babilen, didn't work |
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| 16:03.12 | deso | (BRB, gonna try restart) |
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| 16:04.14 | apm1 | the commands work but not the .conf file |
| 16:04.48 | apm1 | can't we just make a shell script for this to be executed at every startup ? |
| 16:05.41 | babilen | apm1: Hmm, interesting (and mildly pesky) ... What exactly didn't work? Did you try different buttons? Could you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 16:07.38 | bool | is there a way to show what my "localdomain" is set as? |
| 16:08.25 | FilipeMaia | What does gcc -W mean? |
| 16:08.31 | babilen | bool: You mean something like "domainname -d" ? |
| 16:08.39 | FilipeMaia | I can't find it in the man page |
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| 16:08.51 | bool | babilen: thanks :) |
| 16:08.51 | babilen | FilipeMaia: "show warnings" |
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| 16:09.05 | apm1 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/abe94955/ |
| 16:09.06 | FilipeMaia | babilen: i thought that was -Wall |
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| 16:10.35 | babilen | FilipeMaia: yeah, exactly. IIRC it is just "-Wwarning-type" or so ... |
| 16:10.48 | anomaly | with ssmtp, the error I am getting from gmail is "530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first." . my config lists: UseTLS=YES UseSTARTTLS=YES what am I missing? |
| 16:10.48 | FilipeMaia | But -W alone without anything in front |
| 16:10.51 | babilen | FilipeMaia: You might also want to ask in ##c though |
| 16:10.57 | FilipeMaia | ok, thanks |
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| 16:11.47 | babilen | FilipeMaia: I haven't used that, but I am not surprised that I haven't used all gcc's options |
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| 16:12.16 | FilipeMaia | Because i'm getting warnings with -W -Wall which i don't get with just -Wall |
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| 16:12.44 | tryy3 | does the command rm work to delete folders too? |
| 16:12.47 | babilen | FilipeMaia: There is also #gcc fwiw |
| 16:13.47 | babilen | tryy3: You remove directories with "rmdir", but they would also be deleted if you delete a directory recursively with, say, "rm -r /path/to/foo" |
| 16:14.05 | harrison | bla: you said " that is sometimes caused by a graphic card being unable to switch mode back correctly, you can try disableing/enabling framebuffer or changing X driver" |
| 16:14.28 | tryy3 | babilen ah then i delete it with rmdir :D much easier to memorize :D |
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| 16:15.13 | babilen | tryy3: "rm -r directory/" is quite common, but note that it will delete the directory *and* its contents .. |
| 16:15.19 | babilen | !tell tryy3 -about general cli tutorial |
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| 16:15.38 | tryy3 | noticed that rm -r was better |
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| 16:15.52 | babilen | tryy3: You might want to read those :) -- Also read <introduction>, <overview>, <debian handbook> and <reference> |
| 16:15.55 | tryy3 | cuz i had contents in it :D |
| 16:16.01 | tryy3 | ok i will |
| 16:16.21 | tryy3 | ty |
| 16:16.31 | babilen | tryy3: Well, it really depends on what you want in the end. "rm -r" used on the wrong directory can/will cause havoc as you might be able to imagine |
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| 16:16.45 | prappl93 | After blacklisting firewire_ohci, I still get an error in my dmesg at boot. Anything else I can do to fix/silence this error? |
| 16:16.55 | tryy3 | babilen ye true |
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| 16:17.40 | babilen | !tell prappl93 about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 16:18.32 | prappl93 | babilen, thanks. |
| 16:18.40 | EyesIsMine | okay, I made it from grub prompt to the ramfs |
| 16:18.55 | babilen | don't stop there! |
| 16:19.03 | EyesIsMine | how do I mount /dev/wiseeyes/root on /mnt/debian |
| 16:19.19 | EyesIsMine | it just says invalid argument |
| 16:19.30 | rainfyre | EyesIsMine: are you root? |
| 16:19.35 | EyesIsMine | I have no idea |
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| 16:20.08 | EyesIsMine | I can't mount anything |
| 16:20.30 | prappl93 | EyesIsMine, are you getting a specific error when you try? |
| 16:20.39 | rainfyre | I don't know if your mount command is correct, but you need to be root to mount or unmount |
| 16:20.39 | apm1 | babilen, can't we make a shell script of these two commands ? |
| 16:20.41 | babilen | EyesIsMine: You have to bind-mount /dev ... For example: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev" would do that. If you need /proc too use "mount -t proc none /mnt/debian/proc" |
| 16:20.52 | EyesIsMine | mount: mount /dev/wiseeyes/root on /mnt/debian failed: invalid argument |
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| 16:21.15 | babilen | apm1: yeah, that would work, but my understanding right now is that the configuration file should work. I wonder why it doesn't. |
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| 16:22.10 | no_gravity | debian has "print server" pre selected in the installation. is that needed to print on a network printer? i guess not, right? |
| 16:22.18 | prappl93 | EyesIsMine, are you entering "mount /dev/wiseeyes/root on /mnt/debian" as the command, including the word on when you enter it to the terminal? |
| 16:22.24 | EyesIsMine | no |
| 16:22.31 | EyesIsMine | mount /dev/wiseeyes/root /mnt/debian |
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| 16:23.12 | prappl93 | Do you have sudo privileges, or access to the root account on your computer? |
| 16:23.18 | EyesIsMine | i'm in a rescue prompt |
| 16:23.30 | babilen | EyesIsMine: What is /dev/wiseyes/root ? Could you show me the output of "ls -l /dev/mapper" please? |
| 16:23.53 | EyesIsMine | it's an lvm virtual group |
| 16:24.03 | no_gravity | And what are the "standard system utilities"? |
| 16:24.17 | babilen | EyesIsMine: Mount /dev/mapper/eyesismine/root |
| 16:24.30 | babilen | err |
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| 16:24.39 | babilen | EyesIsMine: /dev/mapper/eyesismine-root most likely |
| 16:24.43 | EyesIsMine | oic |
| 16:25.14 | EyesIsMine | oh wait I got it mounted |
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| 16:25.39 | EyesIsMine | mount -t ext3 /dev/wiseeyes/root /mnt/debian |
| 16:26.00 | EyesIsMine | and now ls is attempting to do ls -l instead of simple ls |
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| 16:26.15 | no_gravity | Should I install "standard system utilities" when installing debian? |
| 16:26.33 | babilen | no_gravity: yes |
| 16:26.41 | babilen | !tell no_gravity about standard task |
| 16:26.43 | mtn | no_gravity: doesn't a search engine find your answers? |
| 16:27.07 | babilen | mtn: Outrageous idea! |
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| 16:27.11 | no_gravity | mtn: no |
| 16:27.37 | EyesIsMine | okay nevermind |
| 16:27.44 | EyesIsMine | I managed to find my way into bash by accident |
| 16:27.47 | babilen | no_gravity: The question is: Do *you* want to install the standard task? I would recommend that you do, but I can't tell you if you *want* to or *should* |
| 16:27.51 | no_gravity | babilen: hmm... i dont understand that. but ok, i installed them. |
| 16:28.16 | mtn | no_gravity: I found useful links as first google hit |
| 16:28.24 | babilen | no_gravity: The standard task will install packages that you would expect on every *nix system. |
| 16:28.33 | mtn | must be a veru outrageous idea to use one of them search things |
| 16:28.45 | mtn | veru=very |
| 16:28.50 | no_gravity | babilen: like "ls" and "rm" and stuff? |
| 16:29.39 | babilen | no_gravity: For example |
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| 16:30.34 | no_gravity | babilen: ok |
| 16:31.55 | EyesIsMine | okay |
| 16:33.06 | babilen | no_gravity: It is a lot more "stuff", but I would personally be very surprised if one of those tools is missing. Well, I probably wouldn't miss "ftp", but I consider the rest to be essential (not in the "/msg dpkg essential" meaning though) |
| 16:35.40 | babilen | no_gravity: Bad timing! → "Debian Installer 7.0 Beta3 release" -- http://lists.debian.org/<20121018161719.GA31942@mraw.org> |
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| 16:36.02 | FilipeMaia | How do I change the default gcc version_ |
| 16:36.03 | FilipeMaia | ? |
| 16:36.24 | grothendieck | update-alternatives |
| 16:36.33 | grothendieck | or export CC=/path/to/gcc-version |
| 16:37.08 | grothendieck | ^ re FilipeMaia |
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| 16:37.32 | babilen | FilipeMaia: You don't but you call whatever gcc you want to call directly. You can also set GCC or CC accordingly. What are you *really* trying to do? |
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| 16:38.37 | marok | Which package contains the ruby lib activerecord-mysql-adapter? |
| 16:38.46 | no_gravity | babilen: well, if the installation goes through, would the result be different with the installer beta 3? |
| 16:38.47 | FilipeMaia | babilen: CUDA is only compatible with gcc <= 4.5 and my default gcc is 4.7 |
| 16:39.02 | babilen | no_gravity: Not really -- I haven't read the changelog yet. |
| 16:39.30 | grothendieck | FilipeMaia: is it a ./configure ; make ; sudo make install? |
| 16:39.39 | grothendieck | you can apt-get install gcc-4.5 |
| 16:39.43 | babilen | FilipeMaia: You are not using squeeze then I guess ;) -- Well, call gcc-4.5 directly then. |
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| 16:39.54 | grothendieck | then ./configure CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.5 |
| 16:39.57 | babilen | (yeah, you need to install it first, but I assumed that) |
| 16:40.07 | FilipeMaia | grothendieck: i have gcc-4.5. It's a cmake thing not configure |
| 16:40.12 | grothendieck | ah |
| 16:40.27 | grothendieck | then probably just export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.5 |
| 16:40.33 | FilipeMaia | and it's a bit complicated because nvcc calls gcc it's not called directly |
| 16:40.59 | grothendieck | Not too familiar with cmake, sorry |
| 16:41.06 | babilen | FilipeMaia: I am not sure how this is related to Debian anymore. Wouldn't it make sense to discuss this in a more specialised channel? |
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| 16:41.36 | FilipeMaia | I just want to change the default gcc version |
| 16:41.54 | FilipeMaia | so update-alternatives seem to be the way right? |
| 16:42.09 | babilen | no |
| 16:42.25 | FilipeMaia | then what's the best way? |
| 16:42.54 | babilen | FilipeMaia: You specify the compiler as, for example, detailed by grothendieck |
| 16:43.03 | grothendieck | exporting CC to the gcc binary you want |
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| 16:43.07 | FilipeMaia | babilen: as i said before you cannot specify the compiler it's hard coded in nvcc |
| 16:43.08 | grothendieck | is the best way to do it |
| 16:43.25 | grothendieck | then nvcc needs a bug report |
| 16:43.32 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Then talk to the nvcc people |
| 16:43.50 | FilipeMaia | babilen: I'm not gonna go far with that |
| 16:43.53 | babilen | FilipeMaia: You mean that you can't use nvidia-cuda-toolkit as installed from Debian? |
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| 16:44.09 | grothendieck | or as a workaround change the hard coded path in whatever cmake file it is in |
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| 16:44.22 | FilipeMaia | babilen: i didn't know i could installed the latest toolkit directly from debian |
| 16:44.29 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Do you use nvidia-cuda-toolkit from Debian? |
| 16:44.40 | FilipeMaia | babilen: no i didn't know it existed |
| 16:44.40 | babilen | ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 16:44.41 | judd | Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 4.2.9-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 4.2.9-1; wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-1; experimental/non-free: 5.0.24-1 |
| 16:44.42 | grothendieck | apt-cache search $PACKAGE_NAME |
| 16:44.43 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 16:44.50 | ceil | fkyeah, apt <3 |
| 16:45.02 | FilipeMaia | ok i can give it a try |
| 16:45.08 | babilen | FilipeMaia: What does "which nvcc" give you? |
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| 16:45.21 | FilipeMaia | I have my nvcc on the default NVIDIA location |
| 16:45.31 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.36 | babilen | FilipeMaia: What is "the default NVIDIA location" ? |
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| 16:46.15 | babilen | FilipeMaia: That is a local and unsupported installation. I would *strongly* recommend to try the Debian packages as they might actually work. How did you install your NVIDIA drivers? |
| 16:46.31 | FilipeMaia | babilen: i download them and install |
| 16:46.59 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Well then ask in ##nvidia for support or use the Debian packages. |
| 16:47.07 | babilen | !tell FilipeMaia -about nvidia dkms |
| 16:47.17 | babilen | !tell FilipeMaia -about why nvidia installer sucks |
| 16:47.21 | FilipeMaia | too complicated |
| 16:47.25 | babilen | heh |
| 16:47.29 | FilipeMaia | downloading from nvidia works fine and is easy |
| 16:47.38 | babilen | ... until it breaks ... |
| 16:47.48 | FilipeMaia | it hasn't yet |
| 16:47.50 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Either way: You want #nvidia not #debian |
| 16:48.46 | babilen | FilipeMaia: And *please* trust me. I have a very good reason for the recommendation to install the Debian packages. (Oh, and make that "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy") |
| 16:48.47 | no_gravity | Hmm... the debian installer says its the only os on the computer os it could install grub to master boot record. but thats not true. there is a mint partition on this machine too. what do i do now? |
| 16:49.19 | FilipeMaia | babilen: i trust you, it's just too much trouble for now |
| 16:49.38 | babilen | no_gravity: Go ahead with it, make sure you have os-prober installed later and re-run "update-grub" ... You have to choose though which OS should "manage" grub though |
| 16:49.52 | no_gravity | babilen: ok, i just go ahead |
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| 16:51.05 | FilipeMaia | babilen: and by the way i don't use X11 |
| 16:51.05 | babilen | FilipeMaia: It's just three commands to install drivers and cuda toolkit from the repositories *and* configure Xorg to use them. They are from then on kept up-to-date and they keep on working if you install a new kernel and/or Xorg. But meh, ... have fun. |
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| 16:51.31 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Ok, fair enough. You still need to recompile the kernel module for new kernels |
| 16:51.45 | FilipeMaia | babilen: yes |
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| 16:52.17 | babilen | FilipeMaia: DKMS would take care of that automagically (which is yet another reason to prefer the packaged drivers) |
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| 16:52.35 | no_gravity | babilen: strange, mint was in grub anyhow. thats good. |
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| 16:53.18 | no_gravity | Now debian hangs with "[ 52.676765] drm nouveau 0000:01:00.00: unkown i2c port 54 :( |
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| 16:53.57 | grothendieck | reboot passing kernel no framebuffer parameter (I forget exactly what that is called) |
| 16:54.01 | grothendieck | nofb I think |
| 16:54.08 | grothendieck | login to a TTY |
| 16:54.12 | no_gravity | grothendieck: how do i pass something to the kernel? |
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| 16:54.31 | grothendieck | when you get to grub menu there is a key you can press |
| 16:54.37 | grothendieck | to pass parameters to kernel |
| 16:54.38 | no_gravity | ok |
| 16:54.57 | grothendieck | then blacklist nouveau driver |
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| 16:55.06 | no_gravity | how? |
| 16:55.06 | grothendieck | (I assume you are using nvidia driver or something?) |
| 16:55.17 | no_gravity | i pressed "c" now im in some grub shell |
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| 16:55.30 | no_gravity | yes, the grafic card is nvidia based. |
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| 16:56.04 | grothendieck | send kernel "nofb" parameter |
| 16:56.10 | no_gravity | grothendieck: how? |
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| 16:56.23 | prappl93 | I keep getting [ 2.803322] sdhci-pci 0000:09:00.1: Invalid iomem size. You may experience problems. when I turn my computer on. Anyway to silence/fix this? |
| 16:56.25 | babilen | no_gravity: Edit the grub line with "e" and add it. |
| 16:56.41 | no_gravity | the grafic card is a "Geforce 630GT" |
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| 16:56.59 | no_gravity | babilen: what do you mean? I look at some kind of shell right now. |
| 16:57.18 | babilen | no_gravity: You could also chroot into the system from mint (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; chroot /target) and install the nvidia driver as per "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
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| 16:57.43 | no_gravity | babilen: ok, i did <esc>e and now im in some editor. |
| 16:57.43 | babilen | no_gravity: It looks as if that card is not (well/at all) supported by nouveau ... pesky |
| 16:57.59 | babilen | no_gravity: I would recommend to file a installation-report bug after you are done with this. |
| 16:58.09 | no_gravity | babilen: i got it to work under mint this way: http://www.gibney.org/mint_getting_a_geforce_630gt_grafic_card |
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| 16:58.25 | no_gravity | so what do i do now? |
| 16:58.46 | no_gravity | maybe i should boot into recovery mode? |
| 16:58.53 | no_gravity | i think thats how i did it with mint. |
| 16:59.03 | grothendieck | perhaps |
| 16:59.07 | grothendieck | give that a try |
| 16:59.08 | no_gravity | ok... |
| 16:59.19 | no_gravity | but i think i will continue tomorrow |
| 16:59.23 | grothendieck | if you have no luck with anything when troubleshooting graphics card |
| 16:59.25 | grothendieck | just remember |
| 16:59.39 | babilen | no_gravity: Yeah, just follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" instructions then. If that fails try the chroot approach a try or edit the grub command line to add "nofb" and/or "nomodeset" there |
| 16:59.43 | grothendieck | grub menu, hit e to edit the line, add "vga=nofb", then boot |
| 16:59.52 | grothendieck | nofb puts you in text mode |
| 17:00.17 | no_gravity | babilen: aahhh.. even if i install the driver like in the link i provided, i will still not be abel to boot? |
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| 17:00.20 | grothendieck | so the kernel sends ASCII chars directly to graphics card rather than framebuffers it cannot handle |
| 17:00.28 | grothendieck | IIRC |
| 17:01.12 | no_gravity | now im confused what to do |
| 17:01.23 | grothendieck | that's natural |
| 17:01.25 | grothendieck | :) |
| 17:01.29 | babilen | no_gravity: Don't follow those instructions on Debian as they are *very very* wrong here. (no idea about mint et al.) -- just follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" which should install the driver and also configure Xorg. I think that you are able to boot without problems once you've done that. |
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| 17:01.47 | babilen | no_gravity: You *do* need access to the system *first* though in order to be able to install the driver |
| 17:02.05 | grothendieck | you could also try to SSH to it from a laptop |
| 17:02.12 | grothendieck | or whatever |
| 17:02.34 | babilen | no_gravity: Options to gain that access comprise: 1. Boot with "vga=nofb" (edit grub command line with "e") 2. Try the recovery mode 3. chroot from mint/live cd |
| 17:02.52 | no_gravity | babilen: "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" tells me to install something via aptitude. how shall i do that if i cannot boot? so should i boot into recovery? |
| 17:03.09 | grothendieck | read babilen previous message no_gravity |
| 17:03.14 | babilen | grothendieck: hehe :) |
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| 17:03.31 | no_gravity | babilen: why not boot into recovery mode from grub? |
| 17:03.35 | babilen | If the recovery works: Great! If not: Try other options |
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| 17:04.00 | no_gravity | booting into recovery mode.... |
| 17:04.02 | babilen | no_gravity: That was "2. Try the recovery mode" (could just as well have been 1.) |
| 17:04.08 | grothendieck | lol |
| 17:04.12 | grothendieck | order matters |
| 17:04.14 | no_gravity | ok |
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| 17:04.34 | no_gravity | now it hangs at "Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done done." |
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| 17:05.23 | babilen | expresses his thanks for trying the beta2 installer. |
| 17:05.41 | babilen | no_gravity: Do you have an on-board intel card as well? |
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| 17:06.29 | no_gravity | now boots with vga=nofb |
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| 17:07.02 | no_gravity | not it hangs on the nouveau unknown ic2 port stuff again. |
| 17:07.05 | babilen | no_gravity: Do you have any interesting messages *before* it hangs? Could it mount /root? |
| 17:07.40 | no_gravity | babilen: it spits out a million messges... it asks me for the encryption key for example. |
| 17:07.43 | babilen | no_gravity: You *do* have an encrypted system, don't you? |
| 17:07.58 | no_gravity | babilen: yes, i have an onboard grafic card also. |
| 17:08.01 | babilen | no_gravity: Do you enter the key and is it able to mount correctly? |
| 17:08.20 | no_gravity | babilen: yes. thats the whole reason i install debian. because it seems the mint installer does not have an encryption option. |
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| 17:08.31 | babilen | horray |
| 17:08.35 | babilen | *hooray |
| 17:08.35 | no_gravity | babilen: yes, i think it accepts the key. |
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| 17:09.47 | no_gravity | hooray what? |
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| 17:10.09 | no_gravity | now i tried the combo of recovery+vga=nofb |
| 17:10.24 | no_gravity | now it hangs on "device-mapper: ioctl: 4.22...." |
| 17:10.55 | babilen | no_gravity: And you configured LUKS during the installation? |
| 17:11.12 | no_gravity | babilen: i think so |
| 17:11.38 | no_gravity | babilen: i dont think its an encryption problem. wouldnt it hang on something else then? |
| 17:11.53 | babilen | Unfortunately I have to go soon, but this looks rather pesky. You *might* want to try a stable installer and upgrade to wheezy or try the beta3. I am not entirely sure what causes these problems as of now. |
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| 17:12.24 | EyesIsMine | is there any way to convert an LVM partition to a standard one from the initramfs rescue prompt? |
| 17:12.34 | no_gravity | babilen: ok. thanks for your help! |
| 17:12.56 | babilen | no_gravity: Good luck and see you later! |
| 17:13.00 | no_gravity | yeah |
| 17:13.09 | no_gravity | and remove that "easy installation" from debian.org!! |
| 17:13.25 | no_gravity | its written right across the home page |
| 17:14.06 | no_gravity | ive been using debian since 2002 and if its not easy for me then for who? |
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| 17:14.32 | EyesIsMine | for me. |
| 17:14.48 | no_gravity | ah ok. |
| 17:14.54 | no_gravity | then leave it. |
| 17:15.21 | no_gravity | but add "for irc.freenet.org::#debian::EyesIsMine". |
| 17:15.45 | no_gravity | i really love debian for what they do. |
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| 17:15.54 | no_gravity | but that "easy installation" really adds insult to injury. |
| 17:16.08 | EyesIsMine | wth is freenet |
| 17:16.23 | no_gravity | s/freenet/freenode |
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| 17:17.01 | jhutchins_wk | I can't seem to get the volume icon working in xfce. |
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| 17:19.08 | snolan | Hey guys, what is the most stability-conducive way to get testing running? Should I 1) Install Stable and then change my sources.list, 2) Install Wheezy with the beta2 installer and then change my sources.list, or 3) Install the weekly testing image |
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| 17:21.38 | boudiccas | snolan, one |
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| 17:22.04 | EyesIsMine | how do I get tty to work |
| 17:22.12 | EyesIsMine | currently only tty7 works |
| 17:22.14 | EyesIsMine | which is X |
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| 17:22.57 | zz0 | EyesIsMine, i think you must change your inittab file |
| 17:23.36 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: It is controlled by the inittab, but the default is six terminals. |
| 17:23.49 | boudiccas | snolan, then change your sources to 'wheezy' instead of squeeze, apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade, and when complete, reboot, and pray its all worked |
| 17:23.50 | snolan | boudiccas, thank you! - I didn't see any recommendations in the documentation and I've been having trouble with 2 and 3 |
| 17:23.51 | EyesIsMine | tty1-6 doesn't show anything |
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| 17:24.03 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: Do you have any instances of getty running? |
| 17:24.03 | zz0 | EyesIsMine, the runlevel must be specified |
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| 17:24.08 | EyesIsMine | uh, uh |
| 17:24.12 | jhutchins_wk | zz0: No. |
| 17:24.13 | EyesIsMine | I have no idea |
| 17:24.20 | snolan | boudiccas: any reason why that is preferred over installing straight to testing? |
| 17:24.23 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: Open an xterm |
| 17:24.47 | helo | i'm trying to install a debian install using a tarball i made of the root filesystem... i can't seem to get grub installed properly |
| 17:24.50 | reuf | Unix text file format - what is the encoding? |
| 17:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | snolan: Because the testing installer isn't finalized. |
| 17:25.01 | EyesIsMine | also is there an option to use systemd? |
| 17:25.18 | boudiccas | snolan,if you choose 'testing' then when wheezy is released, you'll still be tracking the testing setup and will have one hell of a ride with it! |
| 17:25.42 | snolan | jhutchins_wk, thank you! |
| 17:25.43 | helo | i untarred the filesystem, chrooted inside, and ran "update-grub", but i think it wants to install it on /dev/sda, which is the system i'm using to install it |
| 17:25.48 | helo | i need grub installed on /dev/sdb |
| 17:25.49 | zz0 | jhutchins_wk, i think just edit inittab and run init q |
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| 17:26.07 | snolan | boudiccas: the documentation made it sound like 'testing' was pretty stable, say, on par with any of the 'buntus |
| 17:26.10 | EyesIsMine | helo, grub-install |
| 17:26.13 | snolan | at least for an intermediate user |
| 17:26.14 | jhutchins_wk | zz0: Yes, but that shouldn't be necessary unless you have changed the default inittab. |
| 17:26.46 | apm1 | so if i install wheezy now then i will forever run testing and won't upgrade to stable when wheezy get's stable ? |
| 17:26.46 | boudiccas | snolan, i've been using wheezy for two months now and find it as stable as squeeze was, but its your choice which you use |
| 17:26.54 | helo | EyesIsMine: do i need to do update-grub first? |
| 17:27.02 | helo | i don't want to wipe out the bootloader on /dev/sda |
| 17:27.08 | EyesIsMine | back it up then |
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| 17:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | snolan: At this point testing is frozen, so random breakage is less likely, but major breaks like the intel x driver problem with squeeze could still take you out for weeks. |
| 17:27.43 | EyesIsMine | well, systemd with debian usable? |
| 17:27.49 | jhutchins_wk | helo: Don't install it to /dev/sda then. You specify where it installs. |
| 17:27.50 | helo | will update-grub wipe /dev/sda's bootloader from inside a chroot on /dev/sdb, with a filesystem from a setup with grub on /dev/sda? |
| 17:28.09 | jhutchins_wk | helo: No. |
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| 17:28.22 | snolan | boudiccas: that's great to hear, i was having a lot of problems with testing - like really strange stuff...I'd make a change to my touchpad settings and it would crash Gnome!...Very un-debian-like |
| 17:28.24 | jhutchins_wk | helo: update grub updates the grub menu, it doesn't affect the bootloader in the MBR. |
| 17:28.25 | psychotropic | It's been my experience that the 'testing' distribution with Debian is usually plenty stable for a home desktop machine or something like that... in a production environment though, I know a lot of admins who swear by Debian for the stability. |
| 17:28.55 | helo | jhutchins_wk: ahh ok, so i'll run update-grub first to get the correct uuids generated, and then grub-install /dev/sdb to install it? |
| 17:28.59 | snolan | jhutchins_wk: thanks for the heads up - I might reconsider using testing, this isn't a *critical* machine but I do want it to be usable most of the time |
| 17:29.17 | jhutchins_wk | helo: That's correct. |
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| 17:29.43 | boudiccas | snolan, if you join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net you may get more appropriate help, but then you may not, i've found it good |
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| 17:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | snolan: If you don't actually need software that's so nnew it won't run on stable, stable's a very comfortable system to use. |
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| 17:30.34 | helo | jhutchins_wk: great, thanks |
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| 17:32.47 | snolan | right on, thanks a lot guys |
| 17:32.50 | EyesIsMine | oh ffs. |
| 17:32.54 | snolan | appreciate it a lot |
| 17:32.56 | somiaj | helo: and in the case you need newer software it can be backported to stable (wasn't sure if you got told about backports). Some are made for you in squeeze-backports. Others you can easily make your self. Some are just to much a pita to get working you don't do it. |
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| 17:33.15 | EyesIsMine | grub2 is not reading from /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:33.27 | somiaj | snolan: ^^ (sorry wrong nick above) |
| 17:33.56 | snolan | somiaj: thanks a lot |
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| 17:34.59 | helo | somiaj: mistell? |
| 17:35.06 | helo | ahh right |
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| 17:38.29 | vipkilla | can't mount the gfs on boot in debian squeeze |
| 17:38.32 | vipkilla | but if i run 'mount -a' it mounts, the fstab is correct |
| 17:38.40 | vipkilla | here is error on boot -----------> http://paste2.org/p/2350756 |
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| 17:39.52 | vipkilla | i'm told it's a debian sequencing problem with the 'fuse' module |
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| 17:44.23 | psychotropic | I think GFS is meant for LVM volumes, so try changing LVM and formatting a logical volume over DRDB? |
| 17:45.03 | vipkilla | psychotropic: i dont follow |
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| 17:49.10 | vipkilla | psychotropic: http://paste2.org/p/2351101 |
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| 17:50.41 | somiaj | vipkilla: yea it looks like an issue where it isn't loading the fuse module before it is parsing fstab |
| 17:50.42 | Pici | a/60 |
| 17:51.10 | somiaj | vipkilla: I'm not sure how best to change this, but you may need to include the fuse module in your initrd image so it gets loaded in time |
| 17:51.44 | psychotropic | Do you have all the Red Hat cluster stuff? |
| 17:52.08 | vipkilla | somiaj: already did that |
| 17:52.19 | somiaj | the file system mounts just fine psychotropic, it just doesn't mout at boot due to the fuse module not being loaded at the time it parses fstab. |
| 17:52.26 | vipkilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.30 | psychotropic | Oh im sorry, I see. |
| 17:52.33 | somiaj | I don't know if changing the init.d scripts would help or the proper way to fix this though. |
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| 17:53.24 | vipkilla | somiaj: which init.d script? |
| 17:53.25 | somiaj | vipkilla: yea now you need to make sure it loads the module. Again I'm not sure on best way to do that. /etc/modules seems to be read fairly late in the bootup process |
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| 17:53.51 | psychotropic | It may not be the proper way or whatever, but playing with the init.d scripts is the only thing I would know to try. |
| 17:53.57 | vipkilla | somiaj: isn't this a sequencing issue that should be addressed in debian? |
| 17:54.06 | somiaj | vipkilla: the init.d script /etc/init.d/mountall.sh mounts local file systems in /etc/fstab |
| 17:54.25 | somiaj | vipkilla: you could modify that script and force the fuse module to be loaded. Though again there should be a better way to do this that I cannot seem to think about. |
| 17:54.42 | vipkilla | somiaj: :/ |
| 17:54.46 | somiaj | vipkilla: correct, it is an issue and I'm agreeing with you but not sure the best way to fix it. or to fix it the debian way |
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| 17:55.04 | Cyclohexane | What user has access to /usr/local/sbin? I put some programs in there but cron (running as root) can't find them.. |
| 17:55.08 | somiaj | my hope is someone more knowledgable than I chirps in. But you could eaisly modify that script to make it work |
| 17:55.17 | vipkilla | i would think that debian should load ALL kernel modules before mounting fs? |
| 17:55.31 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: by default every user has access to /usr/local/sbin, but it isn't put tin the $PATH of non root users |
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| 17:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | fuse isn't supposed to do system level mounts, it's USER mounts, which happen after a user logs in. |
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| 17:56.01 | Cyclohexane | somiaj: any idea why a root cron job wouldn't find it then? |
| 17:56.21 | vipkilla | somiaj: i added 'modprobe fuse' to the script... still no go |
| 17:56.28 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: maybe the PATH when the cron job is run doens't work. Anyreason you can't put the full path in your cron job. |
| 17:56.29 | tremon | Cyclohexane: did you specify the full path to the binary? |
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| 17:56.48 | jhutchins_wk | Cyclohexane: Use the full path in the cron job, cron's environment is not the same as a root shell. |
| 17:56.58 | vipkilla | somiaj: http://paste2.org/p/2351124 |
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| 17:57.05 | somiaj | vipkilla: yea note jhutchins_wk comment. I know fuse is a fairly new standard. I guess maybe its design is to not be system level. |
| 17:57.08 | psychotropic | Are you using insserv? |
| 17:57.21 | Cyclohexane | jhutchins_wk: ah okay makes sense. |
| 17:57.53 | vipkilla | psychotropic: dont know what insserv is? this is basically a vanilla install of squeeze |
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| 17:58.08 | rayj | if I am running stable and I upgrade to a 3.x kernel (needed for h77 support), will this mess anything up when I uprgrade when I upgrade from 6 to 7? |
| 17:58.21 | rayj | * from backports |
| 17:58.41 | eyesismine | so, grub2 is using a config from /dev/sdc1 (my arch boot partiton) instead of /dev/sdca1 |
| 17:58.45 | eyesismine | sda1 |
| 17:58.55 | jelly-home | rayj: from squeeze-backports? It shouldn't. |
| 17:58.57 | somiaj | vipkilla: in that mount command there is no mention of mounting the 'fuse' file systems. Maybe that will work. Again just guess work here |
| 17:59.11 | rayj | ok ty |
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| 17:59.29 | eyesismine | how do I fix this |
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| 17:59.53 | psychotropic | Insserv is for boot sequencing with LSB init.d scripts and I know it can cause similar issues |
| 18:00.01 | somiaj | eyesismine: that sounds like a bios issue. Tell your bios to boot off the disk being called /dev/sda not /dev/sdc |
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| 18:01.24 | eyesismine | somiaj, it does boot off of /dev/sda |
| 18:01.28 | somiaj | vipkilla: another option could be use /etc/rc.local or write another init.d script that mounts these fuese filesystems later in the boot sequence and remove the 'auto' flag from the fstab. |
| 18:01.37 | eyesismine | sdc is syslinux bootloader |
| 18:01.38 | somiaj | eyesismine: what mbr do you have on /dev/sda then? |
| 18:01.39 | eyesismine | sda is grub2 |
| 18:01.41 | eyesismine | uh. |
| 18:01.51 | somiaj | eyesismine: do you want it to boot off of /dev/sdc then? |
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| 18:02.00 | vipkilla | somiaj: yeah i guess that's a work-around.... i dont like workarounds though |
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| 18:02.28 | eyesismine | somiaj, no |
| 18:02.41 | eyesismine | I want it to boot of of sda, which is debian |
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| 18:02.47 | eyesismine | and it does |
| 18:02.57 | eyesismine | but grub is reading the config from sdc |
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| 18:03.26 | somiaj | eyesismine: well grub actually reads a file to create the menu. So somehow in creating the grub on /dev/sda it is reading the wrong file. Boot up, chroot into your debian system (I'd mount --bind /dev and /proc in there first) and reinstall grub from the debian install so it uses the debian grub menus |
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| 18:03.49 | somiaj | use grub-install /dev/sda after you update-grub |
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| 18:04.16 | helo | jhutchins_wk: when i boot it's trying to use /dev/sdb1 as the root fs, even though it's changed to /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:04.52 | somiaj | helo: did you run upgrade-grub after the change? |
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| 18:06.27 | helo | somiaj: from a system running in /dev/sda1, i untarred my new root into a new fs in /dev/sdb1, ran update-grub, and then ran grub-install /dev/sdb |
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| 18:07.17 | somiaj | helo: then you moved that drive to another machine and it is still trying to boot into /dev/sdb even though that doesn't exist? |
| 18:07.22 | helo | somiaj: right |
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| 18:07.40 | somiaj | yea grub stll thinks that /dev/sdb1 is where the rootfs is becaue that is where it was when you told it |
| 18:07.44 | prpl | after instlling flashplugin-nonfree, apt-get autoremove was suggested to rid of unmescesary dependencies ...but after seeing the download of over 500 mb...I got woried. Now I have no internet connection and many applications are gone. Is there a solution. I used the business card net install cd....? |
| 18:08.26 | somiaj | easiset fix I know of helo is to boot into a live cd (or recovery cd). mount your rootfs, and then mount --bind /proc and /dev inside. chroot into the mount point and rerun upgrade-grub on the machine in which the drive is /dev/sda |
| 18:08.35 | prpl | not the "download" but the removal amont...500 mb |
| 18:08.40 | helo | in /proc/cmdline i can see it is setting root=/dev/sdb1 instead of using UUID |
| 18:08.52 | prpl | amount* |
| 18:09.17 | somiaj | helo: because that is how grub works. It wants to know what disk to use. I don't think grub can use UUID's that i know of |
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| 18:09.26 | helo | somiaj: i'm (practicing for) doing this install remotely over the internet in an environment where that isn't possible |
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| 18:10.06 | somiaj | helo: you can hardcode a default grub entry that gets used as opposed to the ones generated by update-grub |
| 18:10.22 | helo | i'll try that |
| 18:11.01 | somiaj | helo: I haven't had to do that and am stll not that familar with grub. NOte you do not want to edit the grub.menu or what ever files. You want to add a script in /etc/grub.d/ that adds and sets your default boot line |
| 18:11.22 | somiaj | and then run update-grub (or copy that script there first) |
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| 18:12.03 | ekaj | I'm having trouble doing 'ssh localhost -p 1234' on debian squeeze... Does anyone know how to stop the "Permission denied, please try again" error? |
| 18:12.06 | somiaj | prpl: by default all the packages are downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives -- if you do not run 'apt-get clean' or 'apt-get autoclean' you should still have all the packages |
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| 18:12.23 | somiaj | prpl: so you can just run apt-get intsall again. As long as all the packages are aready downloaded it will reinstall them for you. |
| 18:12.46 | somiaj | ekaj: do you have an ssh server running on port 1234 accepting connenctions? |
| 18:13.20 | ekaj | I honestly don't know -.- I'm a Windows person just getting used to this |
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| 18:13.40 | ekaj | Ah, hold on |
| 18:13.43 | somiaj | ekaj: well unless you configured ssh to run on that port, by default you do not have an ssh server running on that port |
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| 18:14.14 | somiaj | the default ssh port is 22, and in that case you only need 'ssh localhost' |
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| 18:14.42 | ekaj | what format would I put it in? It currently had "Port 22", and I tried Port 22, 1234 |
| 18:15.07 | ekaj | Ahh |
| 18:15.29 | somiaj | well do you have ssh-server installed (again this is a common package that may not be installed by default |
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| 18:16.02 | somiaj | 'netstat -net' do you see your ssh server listening on port 22 (The default) |
| 18:17.13 | ekaj | No... but I'm SSHing to the server I want to SSH from.. I'm trying to reverse SSH |
| 18:17.26 | ekaj | If that made any sense |
| 18:17.43 | ekaj | wait, sorry, I do see :22 |
| 18:18.14 | ekaj | I also see 127.0.0.1:1234 on TIME_WAIT |
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| 18:23.19 | helo | somiaj: btw, the solution appears to be setting GRUB_DEVICE=/dev/sda1 in /etc/default/grub.cfg |
| 18:23.27 | helo | somiaj: thanks for the pointers :) |
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| 18:27.32 | boudiccas | what do i need to unpack a rar file please for wheezy? every rar file i've tried to unpack has failed so i'm obviously missing something |
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| 18:28.46 | jacobw | boudiccas: apt-get install unrar-free |
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| 18:29.00 | peludo | anyone know where i can get a .deb for dolphin-emu? |
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| 18:31.21 | no_gravity | Hey Dudes! I have problems with one of my servers when people connect from an ipv6 address. Is there a way I can simulate connecting from ipv6 so I can test it? |
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| 18:32.22 | Woet | no_gravity: use ipv6? |
| 18:32.36 | Woet | and if you don't have ipv6, get a better ISP or a tunnel |
| 18:33.21 | no_gravity | Woet: use ipv6 ... how? |
| 18:33.36 | Woet | no_gravity: by configuring wherever you want to test from with IPv6 |
| 18:34.00 | no_gravity | Woet: configure what? my browser? |
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| 18:34.06 | Woet | no_gravity: your workstation. |
| 18:34.19 | Woet | do you know what ipv6 is? |
| 18:34.33 | no_gravity | Woet: yes |
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| 18:34.41 | no_gravity | Woet: my workstation is this debian machine in front of me. |
| 18:34.48 | Woet | no_gravity: does it have ipv6? |
| 18:34.51 | no_gravity | Woet: i dont see a ipv6 button. |
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| 18:35.01 | Woet | "ipv6 button"? |
| 18:35.10 | Woet | if your machine has ipv6, it will prefer ipv6 over ipv4 |
| 18:35.16 | Woet | and you will be able to connect from ipv6 to test |
| 18:35.24 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Get your networking consultant to fix it for you. |
| 18:35.35 | no_gravity | Woet: when i connect it works, so its probably using ipv4 |
| 18:35.54 | Woet | no_gravity: then check whether it has ipv6 |
| 18:36.03 | no_gravity | Woet: how? |
| 18:36.08 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Where is your server? Is it commercially hosted or what? |
| 18:36.13 | Woet | no_gravity: by looking at ifconfig for example. |
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| 18:36.44 | no_gravity | Woet: ifconfig spits out an ipv6 address. |
| 18:36.52 | Woet | no_gravity: an external one? |
| 18:37.00 | simonlnu | that doesn't mean it's globally accessible |
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| 18:37.17 | no_gravity | Woet: how do i know? it says "inet6-Adresse: ..." |
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| 18:37.36 | Woet | no_gravity: you said you know what ipv6 is. |
| 18:37.58 | no_gravity | Woet: it goes through my router anyhow so i dont think i can see my external ip on my machine. |
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| 18:38.20 | bitonic | how do I enable unstable only to install packages explicitly selected (with `-t')? |
| 18:38.30 | Woet | no_gravity: http://test-ipv6.com/ |
| 18:38.34 | simonlnu | ipv6 doesn't exactly wrk like ipv4. there's no NAT for example |
| 18:38.39 | simonlnu | work* |
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| 18:39.34 | no_gravity | Woet: "No IPv6 address detected" |
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| 18:40.23 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: you could try install miredo to get a v6 address, but it uses Teredo and Teredo is somewhat unreliable |
| 18:40.36 | Dagger2 | so you'd be stuck wondering if it was your server or Teredo all the time |
| 18:40.43 | jakenl | no_gravity: Check the scope |
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| 18:41.16 | no_gravity | jakenl: ??? |
| 18:41.22 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: where is the server? maybe I can work out what's wrong from here |
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| 18:42.14 | no_gravity | Dagger2: i know whats wrong. my code expects an ip4 address. i want to test the fix. |
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| 18:42.45 | no_gravity | maybe i will just code up a fix "blindly" and then ask my users... |
| 18:43.11 | jhutchins_wk | . |
| 18:43.32 | no_gravity | Dagger2: but thank you very much for the offer! |
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| 18:43.59 | Dagger2 | ah, right. miredo sounds like a good option then |
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| 18:45.36 | simonlnu | for a one off, it may be a lot easier |
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| 18:45.44 | simonlnu | one-off |
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| 18:47.15 | saban | hi. i have some problems with raid5. usually i did raid 1 for system and then raid 5 for storage. but now i m installing new server and i googled about it and it says you can put boot on raid5? is there any easy howto setup disk partition for raid5 that it will work? |
| 18:47.27 | prpl | apt-get autoremove removed among others, NetworkManager. Trying to reinstall , synaptic goes to download but of course there is no connection. Did autoremove remove and delete ? |
| 18:47.57 | prpl | And what do I do to restore Network Manager ?..please? |
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| 18:49.42 | jakenl | no_gravity: IPv6 addresses listed by ifconfig show their scope at the end |
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| 18:51.39 | no_gravity | jakenl: "Gültigkeitsbereich:Verbindung" |
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| 18:51.53 | no_gravity | jakenl: that means something like "scope:connection" |
| 18:52.11 | Dagger2 | and Scope:Link addresses (the fe80:: ones) are useless, whereas Scope:Global is what you need for interacting with the internet |
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| 18:52.39 | Dagger2 | that must be link scope |
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| 19:08.05 | jakenl | no_gravity: Yes, actually it's 'link' scope, so your broadcast domain. |
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| 19:09.01 | babilen | no_gravity: Made any progress? |
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| 19:13.23 | c-- | i'm trying to upgrade a debian kbsd squeeze to testing/wheezy and now i'm in the debian dependency hell. i've replaced "stable" with "testing" in my sources.list and "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade": |
| 19:13.24 | c-- | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0' |
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| 19:14.17 | c-- | i've tried many different apt calls (i think initially the error mentioned something with vlc, i uninstalled that, then apt-get install -f) always the same kind of error |
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| 19:16.13 | no_gravity | babilen: you mean with installing debian? |
| 19:16.19 | babilen | yeah |
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| 19:16.39 | babilen | !tell c-- -about immediate configuration |
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| 19:17.16 | c-- | babilen: ? what is it you'd like to tell me ?? |
| 19:17.46 | babilen | c--: Please file a bug report about that and try removing the package(s) in question as dpkg (our bot) suggested in its private /msg |
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| 19:18.52 | no_gravity | babilen: no. my plan for tomorrow is: boot a mint stick. mount the encryped partition to /dev/mapper/something. install mint into /dev/mapper/something. mount /dev/mapper/something to /mnt/somewhere. chroot into /mnt/somewhere. do some magic... hope it works :) |
| 19:19.11 | c-- | oh didn't see that private message |
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| 19:20.03 | babilen | no_gravity: I really don't understand why you are running into these problems and was curious if you figured something out by now. Are you installing on "strange" hardware? Do you run into the same problem if you *don't* use LUKS? (just for debugging purposes) |
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| 19:21.40 | no_gravity | babilen: i can give you the specs of the machine tomorrow when im in the office again. i just bought it. no, i didnt try without encryption. |
| 19:23.01 | babilen | no_gravity: So it is pretty new hardware in that case? |
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| 19:24.19 | no_gravity | babilen: probably. i think its an i7 cpu. it has 16gig ram. a geforce grafics card and a samsung ssd. |
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| 19:24.51 | no_gravity | babilen: this thing is so fast. when i reboot mint it takes like 5 seconds from reboot command until i can use the mouse again. |
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| 19:26.07 | babilen | no_gravity: Please remind me: Did you try installing with the "unofficial" wheezy beta2 image *with* firmware? |
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| 19:26.24 | no_gravity | babilen: no |
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| 19:28.40 | no_gravity | babilen: if you think it could work, i can do so tomorrow. should i use beta3 then? |
| 19:30.09 | babilen | no_gravity: I would do that. You said that you had problems with mint too, what were they again and how did you solve them? |
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| 19:31.05 | hays_ | I am running testing and want to migrate to stable when testing becomes stable. what should I put in my apt-sources? |
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| 19:32.30 | no_gravity | babilen: not sure if i can remember them all. what i remember is: 1) i cannot boot the mint stick in normal mode. have to boot it in compability mode. 2) it didnt offer the 2560x1600 resolution of my monitor out of the box. i solved it like this: http://www.gibney.org/mint_getting_a_geforce_630gt_grafic_card |
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| 19:37.03 | ska | Anyone gotten IPMI 2.0 to open consoles on remote systems? I want to be able to remove all the keyboard mouse from our systems and use IPMI. |
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| 19:37.36 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 19:37.37 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.48-2; experimental/non-free: 310.14-1 |
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| 19:42.03 | no_gravity | babilen: maybe i should not have bought a nvidia card? |
| 19:42.16 | ska | Where can I put miscellaneous grub options in stable? /etc/default/grub (which param?) |
| 19:42.31 | ompaul | no_gravity: mint is not for here |
| 19:42.44 | ompaul | no_gravity: and I see my error now |
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| 19:45.14 | don_armstrong | ska: which grub options do you want to set? |
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| 19:45.19 | ska | Do I need to have a grub parameter for serial console? console=xyz?? |
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| 19:45.51 | ska | don_armstrong: you beat me to it. |
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| 19:46.34 | hays_ | I am running testing and want to migrate to stable when testing becomes stable. what should I put in my apt-sources? |
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| 19:47.03 | dondelelcaro | ska: you just set GRUB_TERMINAL=serial console; GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=0 --speed=9600" or similar. |
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| 19:47.23 | ska | dondelelcaro: will that turn off all other consoles? |
| 19:47.35 | dondelelcaro | ska: no, that's why you use serial and console. |
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| 19:47.45 | ska | ah.. missed that. |
| 19:47.48 | ska | ty |
| 19:47.52 | hays_ | can I point apt to wheezy yet? |
| 19:48.00 | dondelelcaro | ska: but that's only for the grub serial console; for the console after the kernel starts, you pass appropriate options to the kernel |
| 19:48.11 | dondelelcaro | hays_: you can, but should you? Only you can really answer that question |
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| 19:48.21 | hays_ | dondelelcaro: right now they are pointed to testing |
| 19:48.28 | dondelelcaro | hays_: oh, then there's no difference. |
| 19:48.35 | dondelelcaro | hays_: wheezy is testing right now |
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| 19:48.41 | hays_ | dondelelcaro: which I think is the same thing. I just want to stay with what testing is going to be, and not keep testing |
| 19:48.53 | BW^- | if you got a debian to install and you'd want it to be LVM ncrypted |
| 19:49.01 | BW^- | and the first harddrive should be storage and boot only and second hsould be swap only, how do? |
| 19:49.05 | babilen | no_gravity: I think that the nvidia card is supported, you might, however try to install *without* it in the first place. |
| 19:49.14 | dondelelcaro | hays_: ah, so change it to be wheezy then |
| 19:49.14 | hays_ | dondelelcaro: so I can realias everything to wheezy and I'll be set for when it goes stable |
| 19:49.15 | ska | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to setup IPMI so I can get a remote console session. |
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| 19:49.29 | itsrachelfish | hi #debian |
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| 19:49.31 | nvz | I got a 2TB drive and partitioned it with one large partition and used that as my rootfs, Im now having second thougts about a partition that large due to fsck times and such..however for the same reason repartitionig is problematic cause it wants to fsck first |
| 19:49.34 | dondelelcaro | hays_: right |
| 19:49.40 | hays_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 19:49.54 | hays_ | dondelelcaro: as for whether i should be doing this... well that is an open question :) |
| 19:50.14 | babilen | no_gravity: That way you would use the integrated intel GPU which allows you to install first. AFAICT the card should be supported by the nvidia driver in wheezy as you can see on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.48/README/README.txt (search for "GeForce GT 630" or is that a different card?) |
| 19:50.22 | nvz | I got like 1hr into the fsck prior to shrinking the rootfs and had to stop cause I had to do other things.. anyone have any suggestions or any idea how long I'd need to wait for that fsck or how to bypass it? |
| 19:50.41 | Armand | Does anyone have experience using the Debian distro on rPi ? |
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| 19:50.46 | hays_ | depends on how late you guys are at stablizing wheezy i guess. I made a risk judgement that I could be on a frozen testing distro for a bit |
| 19:50.51 | ska | dondelelcaro: I'm following http://tinyurl.com/9jarqk6, but its not exact. |
| 19:51.33 | BW^- | anyone, re lvm / encryption? |
| 19:51.56 | hays_ | Is there a Debian roadmap? I've heard rumors wheezy is headed for stable-land in January, but haven't been able to confirm |
| 19:52.47 | nvz | #raspberrypi |
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| 19:52.53 | p8m | The roadmap says we are waiting on hays_ to fix the RC bugs. |
| 19:53.01 | hays_ | lol :) |
| 19:53.21 | nvz | Armand: #raspberrypi and #raspbian |
| 19:53.33 | Armand | thanks, nvz :) |
| 19:53.39 | nvz | no problem |
| 19:53.45 | hays_ | I'll help out if I can-- I am probably lacking in experience to be useful though :) |
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| 19:54.07 | hays_ | my knowledge of debian is extremely small. I am a gentoo victim. |
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| 19:55.35 | hays_ | ok thanks for answering my questions. i'll stop looking for an actual stated milestone date for wheezy if it doesn't exist. have a nice day #debian |
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| 19:56.44 | hays_ | woot! http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt |
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| 19:59.45 | ska | dondelelcaro: it looks like I may have to append to the /boot/grub/grub.cfg kernel lines. |
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| 20:00.55 | nsadmin | hays_ annd, that file has no dates :) |
| 20:01.20 | ska | grub man pages are very understated. there is no grub.cfg page |
| 20:01.39 | hays_ | nsadmin: hehe yeah. oh well. |
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| 20:04.12 | ska | Is there console over ethernet? Something easier than IPMI? |
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| 20:06.49 | no_gravity | babilen: with installing "without" the card you mean pulling it out of the computer or just not using it? |
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| 20:09.22 | sKeiths | I'm getting error message when i do apt-get update. i've included my apt/sources.list can anyone let me know if they think its something wrong with my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/201640/ |
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| 20:10.00 | pato83 | nsadmin: Hi, hope you remember me and if not, then I was asking or trying to get some info about using my own tree structure under btrfs root made of directories and subvolumes combined in the path pointing to / . I could not get it work, but then I found the reason. |
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| 20:11.53 | nsadmin | pato83 oh? what was the reason? |
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| 20:13.53 | pato83 | nsadmin: Grub reads partition table and because I wanted to pass all boring steps like language and detecting network and so on as soon as possible, I just use the whole disk and chose guided, which by default creates ex4 fs split into 3 partitions, root, home and swap. So when I switched to tty2 and used fdisk, deleted everything and afterrwards created fs, it didnt change the partition table, which seems to be persistant to the kernel. |
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| 20:15.34 | pato83 | nsadmin: I have not yet figured out whether or not it is possible to flush the partition table but simple workaround is create a partition with btrfs over whole disk within the installation menu and then switch to other console and do whatever you like. |
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| 20:15.38 | nsadmin | legacy grub has a problem with full dish |
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| 20:15.48 | nsadmin | k |
| 20:16.10 | clefebvre | sKeiths: deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free universe <-- there's no "universe" in debian, remove that keyword |
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| 20:16.38 | sKeiths | thanks, i do that now and retry |
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| 20:16.54 | clefebvre | sKeiths: on the security line as well.. remove all occurences of universe |
| 20:17.31 | clefebvre | sKeiths: I'm curious how this keyword got there if you can think of why it did... |
| 20:17.36 | sKeiths | apt-get update, no errors. |
| 20:17.57 | sKeiths | i recently upgraded from squeeze |
| 20:18.16 | clefebvre | sKeiths: did you install software center or anything from ubuntu? software-properties-gtk? anything else? |
| 20:18.19 | pato83 | nsadmin: well, i dont use legacy one I use or better said, wheezy does, grub2 or grub-pc, if you like it more. |
| 20:18.26 | sKeiths | could it perhaps not cause errors in squeeze |
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| 20:18.52 | pato83 | nsadmin: So yes, I made it and it just awesome. Yet. :D |
| 20:19.15 | clefebvre | sKeiths: something must have appended "universe" to your sources.list, I've seen that problem before but I don't know what does it :) |
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| 20:19.29 | pato83 | nsadmin: So thanks. ;) |
| 20:19.37 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 20:20.21 | ska | Can you do a net type install if you have the CD1 installer? |
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| 20:23.27 | sKeiths | wow. i think that is what was cauing my upgrade from squeeze to wheezy to go so wrong. I just hit apt-get upgrade and there is loads left todo. |
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| 20:25.45 | Nethox | pato83, not sure if this is what you were looking for, but for changing the kernel aware partitions (/proc/partitions), you can use partx |
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| 20:27.22 | pato83 | Nethox: Thanks, I am going to take a look. I have known it by name but never used it. |
| 20:28.24 | ska | Maybe its easier to connect via serial-usb via putty ... |
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| 20:30.16 | Nethox | pato83, also look at hdparm -z for forcing a table re-read of a specific device. Although fdisk should have done it on exiting after an update |
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| 20:39.25 | pato83 | Nethox: Fdisk sort this things very well, but I got an error message about impossibility to update partition table and the number of error message was 16 if I remember. When I got that error message and used sfdisk to dump the partition table on stdout, i got always the structure made by installator. Altough fdisk showed me the correct one or the one I wanted to see on the other hand. |
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| 20:41.02 | pato83 | Nethox: At the moment I have no device to create any partition and mess with it at the moment. But according to man pages for partx it is exactly what I needed. |
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| 20:45.32 | LtL | pato83: cfdisk and fdisk should be installed by default. |
| 20:46.30 | Nethox | pato83, with sfdisk --re-read, the hdparm -z is not needed. And the sfdisk man page says the re-read can fail when something still uses the device |
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| 20:54.17 | LtL | backs away slowly after interference call. |
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| 20:57.48 | ska | Is inittab going to be deprecated? |
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| 20:59.03 | ska | Will "s1:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 ttyUSB0" work in stable? |
| 20:59.38 | ska | Problem is that there is no /dev/ttyUSB0 on boot. |
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| 21:00.08 | pato83 | Nethox: I was just going to tell you the same. Installer itself was most probably preventing to make any changes to partition table to be able successfully finish the installation. Because I realized that call rescan of partition table via /sys by executing "echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/rescan" and it didnt help either. |
| 21:00.21 | xamber | Heya, anyone know how to work tshark really well ? I just want to capture from Internal (eth1) to external. eth0. I don't want to capture incomming traffic .. So i tried to run "tshark -b filesize:102400 -i eth1 -R "ip.src == 10.100.0.0/16" -w /media/hdd/capture.cap" but i get incomming traffic aswell. Anyone know what filters i can use to just capture the outgoing traffic ? Only IP- to IP. As |
| 21:00.23 | xamber | example 10.100.0.0 to 8.8.8.8 .. (rookie here) |
| 21:00.42 | ska | Perhaps the kernel option with ttyUSB0 will ensure it is created at boot. |
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| 21:00.59 | pato83 | Nethox: In my opinion the same does sfdisk, hdparm -z and any other if re-reading partition table. |
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| 21:02.04 | Nethox | pato83, yeah, they execute the BLKRRPART ioctl. |
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| 21:04.24 | krababbel | xamber: are there hosts in that range other than the one you are using? |
| 21:05.09 | xamber | There will be ~150+ clients beeing routed through the server. |
| 21:05.23 | krababbel | xamber: i mean, wih |
| 21:05.38 | xamber | Sorry, wih ? |
| 21:05.39 | pato83 | Nethox: hehe, thanks for approval. :) |
| 21:05.42 | krababbel | with that rule you will get incoming traffic from all hosts on that net |
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| 21:05.54 | krababbel | new keyboard |
| 21:06.07 | krababbel | xa |
| 21:06.11 | xamber | krababbel okej, do you know any filters i can use to just capture outgoing ? |
| 21:06.37 | krababbel | xamber: from one host? just use the ip address instead of the whole net |
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| 21:07.15 | krababbel | xamber: at least that works with tcpdump, never used tshark |
| 21:07.38 | xamber | no i need to capture from all host's on the network. im going to host a LAN party and the only demand from the ISP is to capture all traffic outgoing if someone would email a bombthreat to obama or something :P |
| 21:08.02 | krababbel | i see |
| 21:08.32 | krababbel | you need to exclude the router's ip i'd guess |
| 21:09.29 | krababbel | so add ! ip-src == x.x.x.x, should be doable |
| 21:09.47 | Nethox | pato83, sfdisk and fdisk was documented, for the hdparm I have checked it with strace: ioctl(3, BLKRRPART, 0). As for the /sys/.../rescan file, I am not really sure |
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| 21:09.58 | krababbel | xamber: of course you combine both rules wit 'and' :) |
| 21:11.08 | xamber | tshark -b filesize:102400 -i eth1 -R "ip.src != 10.100.0.1 AND ip.src == 10.100.0.0/16" -w /media/hdd/capture.cap should work then ? |
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| 21:11.43 | xamber | but the problem i will still get the incomming source ip's |
| 21:12.05 | krababbel | xamber: look at its manpage but in tcpdump '!' means "not" and 'and' works, yes |
| 21:12.45 | xamber | i'll try but i don't think the incomming source ip's will be exluded though.. |
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| 21:13.31 | krababbel | as far as i understand, you'll get all packets coming from that network? |
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| 21:14.17 | xamber | I get all outgoing which i want.. But i don't want all the incomming captured.. That's the problem. The incomming should and must not be captured. |
| 21:14.27 | krababbel | xamber: except for the router's packets, which would be coming from the internet |
| 21:14.58 | krababbel | xamber: why would you get incoming packets? i don't follow |
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| 21:15.18 | xamber | but when i open the captured file in wireshark i get like src=85.25.99.38 to dst=10.100.0.10 |
| 21:15.41 | xamber | i don't know why i get incoming packets =/ i shouldnt get them you'd think :P |
| 21:15.58 | krababbel | xamber: for the internal interface on the router, all internet packets will have source address of the router, no? |
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| 21:16.30 | krababbel | xamber: i'd use tcpdump then, or maybe you got the syntax of tshark wrong |
| 21:16.51 | xamber | Yeah im going to try with tcpdump, just read some of what i need on their manpage |
| 21:16.54 | AlexHjelm | Hi, my Debian netinstall 6.0.6 cant find drivers for my networkscards and wants firmware.bin but it should be supported since lenny why is that? the nic is Intel 82574L onboard Supermicro |
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| 21:17.19 | xamber | thanks krababbel |
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| 21:18.24 | AlexHjelm | i have tested the non-free version too but didnt work |
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| 21:18.42 | krababbel | xamber: no problem, i hope it will work. Maybe you only need to capture the ip info, the first 68bytes usually, so you could capture easily all and filter them later out using wireshark i guess. |
| 21:19.14 | Pupuser | Hello , can I build wheezy live with online live-build? |
| 21:19.22 | xamber | yeah but the ammount of space the capture files generate with overflow information makes my 5tb harddrive really small all of the sudden =/ |
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| 21:20.10 | krababbel | xamber: hm, even if you truncate the capture to the first 68bytes? anyway the rule should work :) |
| 21:20.32 | xamber | krababbel what do you mean by that? im a swede xD |
| 21:21.41 | Pupuser | Is this wheezy channel? |
| 21:21.53 | krababbel | xamber: i used such a rule. I meant that you can tell tcpdump at least to only write the first bytes, so the file is a lot smaller maybe, but you wouldn't see what was in the packet's payload in the capture of course |
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| 21:22.01 | BW^- | Bug report debian squeeze: If you have broke network settings, this first shows up when you get to "Installing base system" and the installer reports that "This Debian mirror does not have Squeeze distro files available for install" |
| 21:22.19 | BW^- | that's not correct - the problem should be stated as, "Couldn't access the remote server at all! Is your network even configured right at all?" |
| 21:22.21 | Hydroxide | !tell Pupuser about #debian-next |
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| 21:22.34 | BW^- | does anyone feel like posting this as a bug report? |
| 21:22.35 | Hydroxide | !tell Pupuser about debian-next |
| 21:22.47 | xamber | krababbel what is the syntax for that?! XD that's exactly what i need xD |
| 21:22.52 | Hydroxide | Pupuser: you can get wheezy help where dpkg just told you |
| 21:23.13 | Hydroxide | Pupuser: it'll become on-topic here once it's released as debian stable. |
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| 21:23.40 | krababbel | xamber: in tcpdump it is '-s 68' as option |
| 21:23.58 | xamber | thanks <3 ur the best krababbel |
| 21:25.11 | AlexHjelm | anyone? |
| 21:25.13 | AlexHjelm | Hi, my Debian netinstall 6.0.6 cant find drivers for my networkscards and wants firmware.bin but it should be supported since lenny why is that? the nic is Intel 82574L onboard Supermicro |
| 21:25.18 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. Could someone pls look at these dmesg lines... I have 2 completely the same flash memory sticks... Both were working just fine. Right now, one fail completely: http://pastebin.com/ETQdNgJH . How to fix it? There was data inside. Thanks in advance. |
| 21:25.32 | babilen | !tell AlexHjelm -about installer firmware |
| 21:25.35 | krababbel | xamber: np, btw as an example i used: tcpdump -i eth2 -s 68 -w ./eth2.limit.250.5.dump ! ip dst x.x.x.x and ip src x.x.x.x |
| 21:25.36 | babilen | !tell AlexHjelm -about firmware image |
| 21:25.59 | xamber | krababbel thanks =) very helpfull =) |
| 21:26.17 | babilen | AlexHjelm: IIRC you probably need firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 21:27.01 | saban | hi. i had encrypted partition and now when i want to install all over again the 2tb hdd only shows 4gb of space? |
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| 21:27.13 | saban | how to delite encrypted partition? becouse its not shown |
| 21:27.22 | AlexHjelm | babilen: i have tested that |
| 21:27.28 | AlexHjelm | :/ same error in the installation |
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| 21:27.38 | AlexHjelm | missing scsi/scsi_firmware.bin |
| 21:27.48 | babilen | ,file scsi/scsi_firmware.bin |
| 21:27.54 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 21:28.47 | babilen | AlexHjelm: That file seems to be completely unknown (and I don't think it is related to your NIC) |
| 21:29.03 | AlexHjelm | why cant i use network mirrors then :S? |
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| 21:30.02 | AlexHjelm | ,file isci/isci_firmware.bin |
| 21:30.07 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:30.18 | babilen | AlexHjelm: *which* file exactly? |
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| 21:30.51 | AlexHjelm | http://i.imgur.com/z83qk.jpg babilen this |
| 21:30.58 | babilen | ,file /lib/firmware/isci/isci_firmware.bin |
| 21:31.03 | babilen | AlexHjelm: That ^^ ? |
| 21:31.04 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:31.06 | saban | anyone? |
| 21:31.16 | AlexHjelm | im using AMD64 |
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| 21:31.39 | AlexHjelm | firmware-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso atm |
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| 21:33.04 | AlexHjelm | it was running Windows server 2008 before |
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| 21:33.40 | babilen | ,file isci/isci_firmware.bin --release wheezy |
| 21:33.47 | judd | Search for isci/isci_firmware.bin in wheezy/i386: firmware-linux-free: lib/firmware/isci/isci_firmware.bin |
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| 21:34.08 | babilen | AlexHjelm: That file is not in squeze, but you can get it from firmware-linux-free which is packaged in wheezy |
| 21:34.12 | babilen | ,v firmare-linux-free |
| 21:34.13 | judd | No package named 'firmare-linux-free' was found in i386. |
| 21:34.15 | babilen | ,v firmware-linux-free |
| 21:34.17 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-free on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-41squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-44; squeeze: 2.6.32-46; sid: 3.1; wheezy: 3.1 |
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| 21:34.34 | AlexHjelm | if i install squezee how do i get it? |
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| 21:34.42 | AlexHjelm | i have never installed drivers on linux before |
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| 21:36.26 | babilen | AlexHjelm: You can probably just use the wheezy one (or install wheezy in the first place) -- I don't think that isci is related to your network card. (but to your storage) |
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| 21:36.57 | AlexHjelm | 6.0.6 is squeeze right? |
| 21:37.03 | babilen | yes |
| 21:37.13 | AlexHjelm | so im using squeeze not wheezy |
| 21:37.25 | AlexHjelm | ah, u want me to use wheezy? |
| 21:37.33 | babilen | !tell AlexHjelm -about kmuto |
| 21:37.51 | pato83 | Nethox: Alright. Thanks for the time spent by testing it. What I mean by calling the same command is that from the kernel view, it is the same, isn't it ? It goes through the same "interface". Hope you know what I mean. :) I am just wondering and I can see that you are well aware about a lot. |
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| 21:38.06 | babilen | AlexHjelm: You could also try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta2/amd64/ for wheezy (*not* on production machines though) -- I think that the kmuto installer comes with wheezy firmware packages though. |
| 21:38.07 | BW^- | how do i make "noatime" be enabled by default on boot for my disk, and how do i turn it on right away? |
| 21:38.23 | MaddinXx | hi! can someone tell me which dir(s) should really be "watched" with a tool like tripwire / integrit etc? is it enough to let it look at /etc/ and /root/? |
| 21:38.23 | dondelelcaro | BW^-: stick it in /etc/fstab, and mount -o remount,noatime /path/to/disk |
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| 21:39.25 | AlexHjelm | babilen: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:39.26 | dondelelcaro | MaddinXx: usually you want to watch everything that isn't user-modifiable, which usually means everything that isn't /home, /var, or things like /srv. |
| 21:39.30 | AlexHjelm | so that on top should work? |
| 21:39.37 | AlexHjelm | the first AMD64 squeeze custom |
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| 21:40.13 | xamber | krababbel i went from 100MB in 2 minutes to 2 mb in 5 minutes.. Thank you sooooooo much <3 |
| 21:41.14 | MaddinXx | dondelelcaro: thank you! will have a look on it |
| 21:41.40 | saban | hi. i have 1 2tb hard drive. he had lvm encrypted.. and now when i want to reinstall all over again i have problem.. in bios and in installation it only shows 4gb of space? what can i do i tryed gparted and get errors cant do enything there |
| 21:42.18 | Nethox | pato83, you are welcome, but I am far from being an expert in low level and kernel developing |
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| 21:43.33 | Nethox | I know many disk tools because I find data the most important issue in computing |
| 21:44.07 | Nethox | ...and I have seen enough catastrophic data losses |
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| 21:44.29 | pato83 | Nethox: Well, at least I asked. If i did not, that would be bad. :) Thanks. |
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| 21:44.54 | dondelelcaro | MaddinXx: np; the super-important things are really anything in the path, and anything that could influence how a command in the path is run. [That's why you need /lib, /usr, /bin, /sbin, etc; it'd be bad if someone hijacked /bin/sh, for eample.] |
| 21:45.23 | dondelelcaro | MaddinXx: but it's usually easier just to exclude the things like /home instead of working through the set of files that you absolutely need to be watching |
| 21:45.58 | BW^- | dondelelcaro: into what column is it i should add atime, and how? ",atime"? |
| 21:45.59 | BW^- | adding that? |
| 21:47.13 | MaddinXx | dondelelcaro: oh wow, thanks for providing me with additional information. I do really appreciate this! I'm new into this so I'm still trying to evaluate everything I can know about it. |
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| 21:48.19 | MaddinXx | dondelelcaro: I plan to use integrit (actually I do) since it's very easy to config. are there any cons about it? I read that the db file isn't encrypted, but as long as it's stored offside this shouldn't be a problem, no? |
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| 21:53.07 | AlexHjelm | babilen: the installation did hang when checking the link now |
| 21:53.17 | AlexHjelm | but i didnt get any firmware errors, but i couldnt chose keyboard either |
| 21:53.18 | k-man | i've been getting a few GPFs on my debian box, http://pastie.org/5081051 do you think its a program error or something else? |
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| 21:53.43 | k-man | could it be a hardware issue? |
| 21:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | k-man: What kind of apps are you running when it crashes? |
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| 21:56.12 | dondelelcaro | BW^-: noatime is a mount option, so it goes into the fourth field |
| 21:56.17 | dondelelcaro | BW^-: man 5 fstab; for details |
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| 22:07.42 | k-man | jhutchins_wk, its a server, so the usual unixy server processes - but also the CrashPlan client - which is java |
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| 22:13.49 | kbar | *sigh* |
| 22:13.58 | kbar | sshd, y u no started first |
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| 22:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | k-man: It might be helpful to stop processes one at a time and see if you can isolate the problem, but it looks like it may have to do with trying to run over pptp. The latency can mess some network services up. |
| 22:21.30 | jhutchins_wk | kbar: sshd on? |
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| 22:23.52 | nuffigel | whoa, I somehow managed that my "amixer" says that "Master" is "[on]" and alsamixer says it's muted and if I toggle it, amixer says its "[off]" and alsamixer says it's unmuted. But only amixer is right... Can I somehow fix that, so alsamixer also reflects the correct state? |
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| 22:24.15 | cjdavies | what is the preferred way to install node.js, build from source ourselves or pull from sid repo? |
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| 22:26.10 | lrussell | Hello |
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| 22:27.21 | Nethox | nuffigel, try to save and restore the alsa state with alsactl |
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| 22:28.54 | lrussell | Does anyone here have experience with Qemu? Whenever I try to run it I just get "Aborted". |
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| 22:29.17 | lrussell | The qemu channel is dead, and I'm using debian so I thought I'd try here. |
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| 22:30.03 | handheldCar | Hello, some of my applications are having missing text near the bottom of the screen when I maximize their gui frames. |
| 22:30.08 | krababbel | xamber: no problem :) |
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| 22:32.20 | ilius | package gnome depends on file-roller |
| 22:32.20 | ilius | package file-roller depends on p7zip-full |
| 22:32.20 | ilius | and 7zip is a non-free format AFAIK |
| 22:32.38 | ilius | :-/ |
| 22:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions p7zip-full |
| 22:33.10 | judd | Package: p7zip-full on i386 -- lenny: 4.58~dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; sid: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4; wheezy: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4 |
| 22:33.15 | nuffigel | Nethox: I did "store" then "init" then "restore" - still inverted :( |
| 22:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ilius, p7zip-full is free software |
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| 22:34.46 | ilius | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm, i see, what about patents? |
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| 22:41.18 | pzn | I need performance and redundancy. I have 4 identical HDs. should I install debian with raid10 or with raid1 + raid0. any differences in between performance of raid10 or raid1+raid0? |
| 22:42.10 | jelly-home | get a hardware raid controller as well? |
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| 22:42.48 | dondelelcaro | pzn: there's no difference between raid10 and raid1+0 |
| 22:43.55 | pzn | dondelelcaro, I know there is technically no diference in data stored. I mean performance... does the kernel driver with raid10 is faster than 3 "kernel drivers" (2xraid1 + 1raid0 on top)? |
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| 22:44.48 | pzn | jelly-home, no money for that :-) besides, I had problems in the past with a proprietary raid hardware that broke and I got no replacement... hard time to recover data from it... |
| 22:45.15 | dondelelcaro | pzn: it shouldn't matter, but I'd personally just use the raid10 driver. |
| 22:45.25 | dondelelcaro | pzn: but if you really want to know, benchmark it |
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| 22:46.04 | pzn | dondelelcaro, that should be a good benchmark case to publish... I think I'll do it! |
| 22:46.31 | dondelelcaro | pzn: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Performance has some of them, for example |
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| 22:48.25 | roylaprattep | i have just installed dovecot 2.0 from squeeze backports |
| 22:48.36 | roylaprattep | doveconf -n tell me that only imap protocol is enable |
| 22:48.39 | pzn | dondelelcaro, should I choose defaults with raid10 or should I specify strip size and things like that? |
| 22:48.40 | roylaprattep | how can i enable imaps too ? |
| 22:50.04 | wallawalla | hi. may I ask you about strategies on how to update various debian VPS servers automatically, i.e. experiences you may have. unattended-upgrades, other self-made scripts, manual processing? I'm looking for hands-on experience |
| 22:50.21 | dondelelcaro | roylaprattep: imaps is imap. |
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| 22:50.55 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: I'm personally a fan of puppet, but other people like other things |
| 22:50.57 | roylaprattep | dondelelcaro: I can't log in on the 993 port but 143 yes |
| 22:51.18 | roylaprattep | dondelelcaro: Am I missing something ? |
| 22:51.42 | dondelelcaro | roylaprattep: is dovecot listening on 993? |
| 22:51.49 | dondelelcaro | it should by default. |
| 22:51.54 | roylaprattep | how can I check this ? |
| 22:52.00 | dondelelcaro | roylaprattep: netstat -plunt |
| 22:52.03 | pzn | roylaprattep, "netstat -tlnp" see if it is on ports |
| 22:52.05 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: I see. As I read one needs to write custom scripts to use with puppet. may you provide resources to scripts one may adopt to specific needs? |
| 22:52.32 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: i.e. some wiki you may be aware of as a start? |
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| 22:52.56 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: there's lots of git repositories of people's puppet manifests and modules out there |
| 22:53.08 | roylaprattep | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2092/dovecot |
| 22:53.09 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: so that and puppet's documentation is where I started. |
| 22:53.10 | roylaprattep | this is it ? |
| 22:53.13 | dondelelcaro | roylaprattep: yes |
| 22:53.22 | roylaprattep | why thunderbird cant connect thru it ? |
| 22:53.29 | dondelelcaro | roylaprattep: so if you can't log on to 993, then that's probably something to do with your client |
| 22:53.35 | roylaprattep | oh ok |
| 22:54.05 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for sharing your experience. will look into this. have you been able to gather experiences with unattended-upgrades as well so far? |
| 22:54.58 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: for security updates, yes, it works pretty well. I haven't used it to upgrade from one version of Debian to another, but I suspect that that could be done as well with sufficient testing |
| 22:55.52 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: oh, as long as I can critical security updates as fast as possible, i.e. automatically, this would be perfectly fine for me actually |
| 22:56.28 | wallawalla | I wouldn't do automatic updates from one version of debian to another |
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| 22:56.58 | wallawalla | I just cannot stand to update and update and update (manually) a bunch of servers all day :-) |
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| 22:58.24 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: atm, use apticron to notify me of updates. I still need to manually connect and perform the actual update though. Tried clusterssh, which is nice for the manual approach. but would prefer the automatic approach still |
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| 22:59.43 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: one question on puppet. I actually never installed it so far. would you consider it kind of overkill just for the update handling? I mean if one could use unattended-upgrades for this? |
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| 23:00.47 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: it is probably overkill just for unattended updates, but you usually want to get to all of the other things that puppet enables you to do |
| 23:01.25 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: true to the motto that fiddling with servers is just too awesome? |
| 23:01.48 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: if you just want unattended updates, you can use cron-apt which will also install the updates for you |
| 23:02.14 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: well, there are usually better things to do than log into hundreds of servers and fiddle with them |
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| 23:03.05 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: you're right. I read about cron-apt as well. I haven't understood too good so far what is the actual advantage over unattended-upgrades though |
| 23:03.31 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: assuming your VPS machines are all doing similar things, and I wasn't ready to use puppet yet, I'd personally have two internal mirror of security and debian; one which you use for testing, and one which you use for rolling out to production |
| 23:04.08 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: for puppet? you can update all of the configuration files, change which packages are installed, basically do any administration task necessary |
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| 23:04.40 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: I meant comparing cron-apt and unattended-upgrades |
| 23:04.48 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: not puppet |
| 23:06.15 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: you actually made me more curious about puppet (while talking to you) ... I'm going to read the docs a bit more thorough |
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| 23:07.01 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: starting with this, it's rather easy to lose the overview - puppet, chef, much less sophisticated scripts like unattended-upgrades |
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| 23:07.43 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: I guess it very much depends upon personal preferences and actual needs (from an administration perspective) at the end of the day |
| 23:07.49 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: oh, actually, I've not used unattended-upgrades; they both seem to do exactly the same thing |
| 23:08.20 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: as that often in FLOSS world :-) |
| 23:08.27 | wallawalla | which is a good thing |
| 23:08.53 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: OK, thx so far for sharing your personal experiences |
| 23:08.57 | dondelelcaro | wallawalla: I'd probably try out unattended-upgrades, since it seems slightly more integrated with apt, but I really only have experience with cron-apt |
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| 23:09.50 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: I guess I'll indeed decide between these two as a first and especially fast solution to the problem |
| 23:10.27 | wallawalla | dondelelcaro: my servers are actually involved in a security critical mission so to speak and thus the update issue needs to be solved asap |
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| 23:13.44 | alusion | I'm setting up an encrypted LVM partition, how long should a passphrase typically be? |
| 23:13.49 | alusion | 30-40 chars? |
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| 23:39.35 | nezZario | wtf is /opt for ? |
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| 23:40.07 | dvs | it's the new /usr/local |
| 23:40.25 | nezZario | what's wrong with /usr/local ? |
| 23:40.38 | Zharf | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/opt.html |
| 23:40.42 | Zharf | nezZario, nothing |
| 23:41.10 | steve464646 | If I'm starting with a bare minimum install (nothing but 'Standard System Utilities' in tasksel) and want to install XFCE, will I need any packages other than: xfce4 and xorg? |
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| 23:41.28 | themill | nezZario: /msg dpkg /opt |
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| 23:42.20 | dvs | steve464646: xfce4 should pull in xorg automatically |
| 23:43.10 | steve464646 | dvs: will I need to pull a .... whatever gdm and lightdm are |
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| 23:43.18 | steve464646 | desktop managers? / login screens |
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| 23:47.19 | dvs | steve464646: gdm is a gnome package |
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| 23:48.19 | Guest88232 | wonders how long e2fsck -f -y -v is gonna take on a 2tb partition |
| 23:48.33 | Guest88232 | already fell asleep twice :-P |
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| 23:51.25 | maher | apparently i have a bluetooth device from ralink, a 3298 - how do i find out if there is a driver for it? |
| 23:51.55 | Guest88232 | maher: usb? pci? |
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| 23:53.22 | Guest88232 | ah I must have zero patience.. it says that only tok 23min felt like hours |
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| 23:53.36 | maher | Guest88232: pci |
| 23:53.47 | Guest88232 | maher: lspci -nn |
| 23:54.04 | maher | Guest88232: doh |
| 23:54.06 | Guest88232 | get the pciid from there |
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| 23:54.41 | maher | Guest88232: i had forgotten you do that... its 1814:3298 |
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| 23:55.08 | Guest88232 | ,pciids 1814:3298 |
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| 23:56.01 | nvz | judd: pciid 1814:3298 |
| 23:56.03 | judd | [1814:3298] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3298 |
| 23:56.05 | dvs | ,pciid 1814:3298 |
| 23:56.07 | judd | [1814:3298] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3298 |
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| 23:58.49 | nvz | can google around for '1814:3298 linux' but its not lookin good |
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| 23:59.18 | maher | nvz: how do you query the pciid database |
