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| 14:07.55 | sKeiths | boudiccas, i like audacious. that why i am willing to compile it from source to get it working |
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| 14:09.19 | somiaj | sKeiths: are you on debian stable? Was the bug fixed in the wheezy or sid version? |
| 14:09.24 | somiaj | ,v audicious |
| 14:09.25 | judd | No package named 'audicious' was found in i386. |
| 14:09.30 | somiaj | ,v audacious |
| 14:09.31 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2.3-1; wheezy: 3.2.3-1; experimental: 3.3.1-1 |
| 14:09.35 | sKeiths | debian unstable. |
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| 14:09.50 | somiaj | so the debian unstable version was fixed, and you are on stable/ |
| 14:09.52 | somiaj | ? |
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| 14:11.09 | sKeiths | no, i am on wheezy (unstable) and its broken. squeeze had an older good version. |
| 14:11.15 | sKeiths | i have not tried sid |
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| 14:13.19 | somiaj | seems the sid version is the same. So there is the experimental version. Most likely it will install on testing now, but I always suggest backporting it. Or yes 'make install' into /usr/local will work. If there is issues running with that looking for pkgconfig in the wrong spot it is a support issue of audicious |
| 14:13.26 | henux | hi do i need to do something to allow remote ssh connections? |
| 14:13.40 | somiaj | henux: by default you just need to install the ssh-server package |
| 14:13.47 | somiaj | henux: or just the 'ssh' package, it gives you the client and server |
| 14:14.13 | somiaj | now if you have a firewall/router configured. Make sure port 22 (default) is open -- adjust for the port you use if you change things |
| 14:14.40 | henux | somiaj: i have installed openssh-server |
| 14:14.52 | henux | somiaj: connection is refused, debian is run inside virtualbox |
| 14:14.55 | somiaj | then it should be running. Have you tried 'ssh localhost' on the machine? |
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| 14:15.02 | henux | yes and it works |
| 14:15.14 | somiaj | so it could be a bridge/routing issue to your vm then. |
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| 14:16.24 | zach23 | I am using this rule in iptables but this does not work (yes, it's the right interface and IP range): "iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT". It looks like all the other rules which work. If I shut off iptables it works fine and I can telnet to it |
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| 14:17.15 | justin_ | zach23: iptables -L -n -v look at counters |
| 14:18.46 | zach23 | justin_: yes, it shows: " 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth1 * 10.0.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:4730 " |
| 14:18.55 | justin_ | zach23: notice the 0's |
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| 14:20.05 | nablet | hi, can some1 tell my why, from one moment to the other, my wireless stop working and iwlist scanning gives me "failed to read scan data: invalid argument" . only reboot fixes it. |
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| 14:20.33 | nablet | oh, sorry, wrong channel - please ignore my previous message |
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| 14:28.04 | zach23 | justin_: 0's meaning from anywhere no? |
| 14:28.23 | justin_ | zach23: read the column headings |
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| 14:29.27 | zach23 | justin_: agh destination…what?? okay, lemme see the rule…I do the other rules that way…do I have to mention an output? |
| 14:29.40 | justin_ | zach23: 10:08 < justin_> zach23: iptables -L -n -v look at counters |
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| 14:31.03 | zach23 | the counters? So destination is "0.0.0.0/0 " - I have to specify a destination explicitly? |
| 14:31.23 | justin_ | zach23: 0.0.0.0/0 is not a counter. the first two columns are the counters. |
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| 14:31.35 | zach23 | right both are 0 |
| 14:31.45 | justin_ | zach23: which rule is not 0 |
| 14:31.48 | zach23 | ahh meaning the data passed |
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| 14:32.16 | zach23 | wait now it's "59 3540 ACCEPT tcp -- eth1 * 10.0.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:4730 " |
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| 14:32.21 | zach23 | the UDP is 0 0 |
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| 14:33.04 | brandonj | is there a guide somewhere for upgrade the kernel to a version beyond what's in sid? I'm comfortable compiling it myself if I have to, but I'd like to be on 3.6 |
| 14:33.20 | zach23 | justin_: very confused..it shows the port is open but it isn't |
| 14:33.30 | justin_ | zach23: "it" ? |
| 14:33.43 | Brigo | brandonj: search for make-kpkg |
| 14:34.02 | somiaj | brandonj: look at the debian package 'kernel-package' and the program make-kpkg |
| 14:34.10 | zach23 | justin_: it meaning the iptables rule: "iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" |
| 14:34.29 | somiaj | brandonj: it will compile the source into a .deb that you can install/remove with dpkg to manage the kernel. Sometimes it is known as making a kernel the debian way |
| 14:34.36 | justin_ | zach23: that means absolutely nothing it you have another rule that is blocking the traffic |
| 14:34.51 | justin_ | zach23: maybe you could try ufw? |
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| 14:34.55 | somiaj | brandonj: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage |
| 14:35.14 | zach23 | justin_: should I go through my rules one by one and see then, what it's doing? |
| 14:35.14 | brandonj | somiaj, Brigo: thanks! |
| 14:35.25 | justin_ | zach23: yes. look at the counters. |
| 14:35.32 | somiaj | brandonj: that page wasn't as useful as I was hoping it was gonna be. but yea look up compile a kernel the debian way, you should find lots of docs |
| 14:35.42 | Brigo | brandonj: yaw |
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| 14:36.45 | zach23 | justin_: what are those counters - data that has been rejected? |
| 14:37.00 | justin_ | zach23: no. just counters. |
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| 14:38.44 | zach23 | justin_: should I have some universal rule such as "iptables -I INPUT -i lo -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT" at the beginning as I do with localhost? |
| 14:39.19 | justin_ | zach23: no. I would install ufw and start over |
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| 14:39.23 | gnugr | zach23:are you trying to open a port with iptables? |
| 14:39.25 | justin_ | sounds like your ruleset is hosed |
| 14:40.05 | zach23 | gnugr: yes but as justin_ showed me, seems all traffic on 10.0.1.0/24 is being blocked |
| 14:40.17 | justin_ | zach23: no I didn't |
| 14:40.20 | LtL | tehrabbitt: you awake? |
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| 14:40.35 | zach23 | justin_: I mean not blocked but something screwy with the setup i have |
| 14:40.43 | tintin | Anybody there who use transmission? |
| 14:40.44 | justin_ | ndeed |
| 14:40.53 | tintin | Where does transmission save the .torrent file? |
| 14:41.10 | tintin | when you download from the http://thepiratebay.se |
| 14:41.11 | gnugr | zach23:to open a port use "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" is enough |
| 14:41.25 | tintin | I can't get/find the .torrent file |
| 14:41.34 | zach23 | gnugr: I have "iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" |
| 14:42.02 | justin_ | tintin: find / -name '*.torrent' |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | zach23: you probably want lowercase tcp, and you probably ought to ask #netfilter |
| 14:42.13 | gnugr | zach23:not sure if that can work |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | zach23: otherwise, looks okay |
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| 14:42.49 | n^ | tintin: grep -rni torrent ~/.config/transmission* |
| 14:43.09 | Shadow`_ | i've been typing grep -r -i -n like an idiot al along |
| 14:43.10 | n^ | or find |
| 14:43.28 | zach23 | yeah something must be off, I'm using: "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" and nothing. Do I need to specify a general rule for the 10.0.1.0/24 block prior? |
| 14:43.37 | n^ | Shadow`_: it happens |
| 14:43.58 | Shadow`_ | n^: one of the reason i like hanging around here, learning new things, especially little handy ones like that =D |
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| 14:46.00 | n^ | i wish i could have seen ^R or ^Y and ^U before here.. took me like 5 years to learn it |
| 14:46.10 | tintin | in .config/transmission/ |
| 14:46.37 | Shadow`_ | ^R/^Y/Û? |
| 14:46.40 | Shadow`_ | ^U |
| 14:46.42 | Shadow`_ | ? |
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| 14:46.57 | n^ | you dont know what they do? |
| 14:47.02 | Shadow`_ | no |
| 14:47.12 | n^ | hehe |
| 14:47.35 | n^ | ^R will look through history and autofill what you type next |
| 14:47.58 | Shadow`_ | bash: :s^Rlala: substitution failed |
| 14:48.07 | n^ | so if you run a command several times, you can just find it with ^R |
| 14:48.23 | n^ | ^Raptitude |
| 14:48.25 | Shadow`_ | oh ye |
| 14:48.27 | Shadow`_ | ctrl |
| 14:48.28 | Shadow`_ | :D |
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| 14:48.58 | n^ | ^U will clear the current command you are typing in the console |
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| 14:49.07 | n^ | ^Y will put it back on |
| 14:49.09 | Shadow`_ | i use ctrl+c for that usually |
| 14:49.17 | Shadow`_ | oh that is handy |
| 14:49.37 | Shadow`_ | see, learn new things every time :D |
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| 14:56.51 | KamZou- | Hi, after chroot from a live cd to change my LVM disk (rootfs and SWAP partitions) when i reboot, my system is very very slow to start, and can't have login.... There's a fqdn error and nothing else. Any help pls |
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| 14:58.26 | n^ | KamZou-: do you have grub or lilo installed? |
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| 14:59.30 | hackedbellini | Hi! I think I found a problem on alsa/pulseaudio on multi arch. |
| 14:59.32 | KamZou- | n^, yes Grub. I've done : update-grub & grub-install /dev/sda after my modifications |
| 14:59.33 | hackedbellini | I'll explain it: I'm on Wheezy amd64 and installed wine:i386. When running something on it (like a game), the audio works using alsa. But since libasound2-plugins for :i386 isn't installed (and have no multi arch candidate because of missing dependencies) it is not using the pulseaudio plugin. So, if I'm listening to music on rhythmbox for example, if I try to run alsa, it will be muted (when using alsa on an amd64 package, it us |
| 14:59.34 | hackedbellini | es pulseaudio) |
| 14:59.36 | hackedbellini | Like I said, I think the problem would be solved if libasound2-plugins is ported to multi arch. Else, lots of :i386 packages on amd64 will have audio problems |
| 14:59.38 | hackedbellini | I was going to report a bug, but I don't know exactly where to report... |
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| 15:00.06 | n^ | KamZou-: first install, then update.. i believe |
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| 15:00.54 | KamZou- | n^, could it be the source of my problem ? Cause the system can boot |
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| 15:01.19 | n^ | KamZou-: oh, if you can boot, then i dont think so |
| 15:01.33 | KamZou- | i'm stuck here at : "hostname --fqdn did not return a fully qualified ame, dc_minimaldns will not work. Please fix your /etc/hosts setup." |
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| 15:02.14 | n^ | well, have you checked your hosts? |
| 15:02.20 | n^ | i mean /etc/hosts |
| 15:02.45 | KamZou- | in my chroot you mean n^ ? |
| 15:02.52 | KamZou- | here, i can't go further |
| 15:02.57 | n^ | yes, your system |
| 15:03.09 | n^ | the one which is faulty |
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| 15:03.28 | KamZou- | nope i haven't, but i haven't changed anything |
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| 15:05.19 | tintin | Is there any other /tmp folder? |
| 15:05.29 | tintin | one is in /tmp , is there any other location? |
| 15:05.30 | ska | If I pre-create my MD raid devices and partitions, will the install pick up on those devices? |
| 15:05.47 | n^ | tintin: i dont think so |
| 15:05.53 | ska | s/pick up/"see and use" |
| 15:06.04 | brandonj | tintin: there is a /var/tmp |
| 15:06.16 | tintin | during downloading with transmission, i get Error: Input/output error, why ? |
| 15:06.20 | KamZou- | n^ i guess that was a little problem here, i wait few mns and i could go further |
| 15:06.34 | KamZou- | n^ and could edit /etc/hosts and reboot as fast as usual |
| 15:06.39 | KamZou- | Thanks n^ ;) |
| 15:06.43 | brandonj | tintin: I'd look in the transmission error console with the log level set to debug |
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| 15:07.31 | n^ | tintin: well, i believe transmission is set to not save .torrent files by default |
| 15:07.41 | n^ | so chances are they arent being saved |
| 15:08.13 | brandonj | iirc that error can come about when your filesytem is full/broken |
| 15:08.22 | n^ | tintin: i use transmissioncli and the torrents are saved in ~/.config/transmissioncli/torrents/ |
| 15:08.43 | tintin | brandonj: Where is that error console? |
| 15:08.57 | brandonj | tintin: I think it's under the "help" menu |
| 15:09.09 | tintin | I got the .torrent file, but i'm talking about data |
| 15:09.26 | tintin | data is downloading |
| 15:09.35 | tintin | but now i get input/output error |
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| 15:09.43 | tintin | so it's not downloading anymore |
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| 15:10.11 | n^ | so which transmission are you using? |
| 15:10.53 | n^ | i dont like how transmission uses different folders depending on which "version" you us |
| 15:10.53 | n^ | e |
| 15:10.57 | tintin | Transmission 2.03 (11030) |
| 15:11.18 | n^ | no, i mean |
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| 15:11.33 | n^ | transmissioncli? transmission-daemon? transmission-gtk/-qt? |
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| 15:12.24 | tintin | ii transmission 2.03-2 lightweight BitTorrent client |
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| 15:12.26 | tintin | ii transmission-cli 2.03-2 lightweight BitTorrent client (command line interface) |
| 15:12.28 | tintin | ii transmission-common 2.03-2 lightweight BitTorrent client (common files) |
| 15:12.30 | tintin | ii transmission-gtk 2.03-2 lightweight BitTorrent client (GTK interface) |
| 15:12.49 | tintin | I got , Invalid argument, now |
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| 15:13.00 | tintin | Error: Invalid argument |
| 15:13.19 | n^ | i didnt ask which ones you have installed, i asked which oen you are using |
| 15:13.26 | n^ | tintin: |
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| 15:15.30 | KamZou- | n^ Is it an obligation to create partitions when i want to use LVM ? (I mean to use fdisk to make a sdb1 for instance, and attribute the type "8e" for LVM and then PVCREATE on sdb1 ? |
| 15:16.12 | n^ | KamZou-: i have no idea |
| 15:16.23 | ska | KamZou-: no,, you can add an entire disk to the PVs |
| 15:17.49 | disposable | KamZou-: not sure if that's the best idea with 4K drives. |
| 15:18.12 | KamZou- | disposable, could you develop pls ? |
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| 15:19.52 | disposable | KamZou-: advanced format disks (usually disks =>2TB) require manually aligning partitions. using the whole disk in lvm will not let you do this. |
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| 15:20.30 | disposable | KamZou-: i use ZFS on all of my storage so I'm not the best person to ask about this. |
| 15:20.57 | disposable | KamZou-: you should ask at #lvm |
| 15:21.11 | colo-work | partitions only need to be aligned because of the partition table and MBR |
| 15:21.24 | colo-work | if you don't have that (like with an LVM2 PV), you don't need to care about aligning that metadata |
| 15:21.26 | KamZou- | i'm concerned by disk alignment (i use VMware with SAN RAID disks) |
| 15:21.34 | colo-work | that said, I don't know off-hand where LVM stores its metadata |
| 15:21.44 | colo-work | but it probably does at the end of the disk or some such location |
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| 15:26.16 | KamZou- | colo-work, so is this a good practice to use fdisk to create a sda1 ext2 partition for boot and directly pvcreate sdb (for the rest) without create a sdb1 partition for this ? |
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| 16:14.13 | HSorgYves | morning, how/where can I check which configure command is used when building php5-cgi? |
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| 16:28.51 | jelly | HSorgYves: does that information not appear in the phpinfo() stuff? |
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| 16:31.37 | henux | whats the file to edit if i want to make a local domain alias for some rather long domain name? |
| 16:32.19 | tremon | henux: domain alias? |
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| 16:32.34 | nkuttler | henux: man 5 hosts |
| 16:32.39 | henux | right! |
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| 16:35.29 | ag4ve | what does this do? echo "0 $[IMG_SIZE*2097152] linear $LOOP_DEV 0" | dmsetup create $DISK |
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| 16:35.44 | ag4ve | namely, what is IMG_SIZE supposed to be? |
| 16:37.24 | blubberdiblub | size in GB, it seems |
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| 16:37.57 | blubberdiblub | if dmsetup takes the size in number-of-512-bytes-blocks |
| 16:38.00 | HSorgYves | jelly: I thought so too, but I didn't see it... maybe because it is the libapache2-mod-php5 which is running |
| 16:38.03 | ag4ve | so, i've got 2 meg sectors? |
| 16:38.20 | blubberdiblub | no |
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| 16:38.32 | HSorgYves | jelly: isn't the info available in the source package? |
| 16:38.33 | ag4ve | err, what's the big number i'm multiplying the number by? |
| 16:38.41 | jelly | HSorgYves: it probably is |
| 16:38.57 | tremon | ag4ve: that big number is 1G/512 |
| 16:39.00 | blubberdiblub | ag4ve, the big number i 2*1024*1024, but it's not a sector size |
| 16:39.26 | ag4ve | where does 2 come from? |
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| 16:39.35 | blubberdiblub | ag4ve, what tremon said |
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| 16:39.47 | ag4ve | oh |
| 16:39.59 | blubberdiblub | ag4ve, 1 GB = 1024*1024*1024. 1GB / 512 = 1024*1024*1024 / 512 = 2*1024*1024 |
| 16:40.34 | ag4ve | oh ok. thanks |
| 16:40.42 | ag4ve | that makes sense |
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| 16:41.43 | HSorgYves | jelly: do you know where? |
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| 17:05.11 | apm1 | can i install the firmware that my system need to function properly even after completing the installation , if yes how do i find out which packages do i need exactly ? |
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| 17:06.50 | damaxus | apm1: if you have contrib and non-free in your sources list, you can apt-get install firmware-linux and it should install all avail firmwares i believe |
| 17:07.24 | ag4ve | if i use dmsetup to create sda, it is in no way associated to my actual hardware sda device, correct? |
| 17:07.46 | apm1 | damaxus, but won't that install all the not needed firmware too ? and put additional load on my machine |
| 17:08.16 | damaxus | sure, but it's ultimately not a lot of stuff, and it'll just eat disk if it's not used |
| 17:08.24 | damaxus | and it's a lot faster than picking apart what you actually need |
| 17:08.31 | ag4ve | i created 'something' which made /dev/mapper/something linked to /dev/dm-0 and dm-0 had a major number of 254, so i'm pretty sure i'm correct. i just want a bit of confirmation here :) |
| 17:08.47 | apm1 | damaxus, disk but not ram ? |
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| 17:09.04 | damaxus | right |
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| 17:09.36 | damaxus | ag4ve: right |
| 17:09.54 | romgo | hello does anyone know when the security patches will be available for : http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3389 |
| 17:09.59 | ag4ve | damaxus: thanks :) |
| 17:10.16 | apm1 | damaxus, thanks :) |
| 17:10.33 | ag4ve | ... just a bit weird creating devices with the same names i've dealt with all my life as hardware |
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| 17:12.39 | apm1 | damaxus, are you running wheezy ? |
| 17:13.40 | damaxus | ag4ve: probably better to create different names just for that reason |
| 17:13.45 | wm4 | is there a tool that infers package dependency information from an executable? dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't seem to be what I want (requires packaging control files and a system-wide symbol database, rather than running dpkg -S for each line of ldd output or so) |
| 17:14.17 | damaxus | apm1: i have wheezy in a few VMs for testing, but i predominantly use squeeze |
| 17:14.22 | apm1 | anyone running wheezy who can verify that i have the right stuff in my "sources.list" ? |
| 17:14.34 | apm1 | i will pastebin it |
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| 17:14.49 | sney | apm1: there are plenty of people here who can check that |
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| 17:15.04 | apm1 | pasting then |
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| 17:19.02 | apm1 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/105cf336/ |
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| 17:19.54 | apm1 | ^please verify if these are the right repos sources.list |
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| 17:20.13 | remote | apm1: do you use nano by any chance? |
| 17:20.20 | apm1 | yup |
| 17:20.35 | remote | you may want to try a better text editor like vim or emacs |
| 17:20.42 | apm1 | why ? |
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| 17:20.54 | remote | because they provide finer control |
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| 17:21.31 | remote | apm1: you should be able to verify yourself using `apt-get update' |
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| 17:22.31 | apm1 | remote, well i already did but i am not sure if i am tracking testing forever , or wheezy until it's in testing |
| 17:22.49 | damaxus | apm1: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/417787d1/ |
| 17:22.55 | damaxus | that's what mine is |
| 17:23.03 | remote | testing forever |
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| 17:24.15 | apm1 | Remote, ok so how do i switch to wheezy repos that will lead me to stable wheezy when it gets stable , should dmaxus's work ? |
| 17:24.30 | naterh | Is there a way to auto respond to package dialog boxes during the removal of a package? I have a package that pops up an OK box but I want to remove this package ina script and its failing because of it. |
| 17:24.34 | remote | you do what damaxus does, target wheezy and not testing |
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| 17:26.29 | apm1 | remote, damaxus thanks guys :) |
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| 17:37.56 | trysten | i need a little direction, i'm not sure where to start |
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| 17:39.53 | format_c | trysten, start |
| 17:39.57 | format_c | to tell |
| 17:39.59 | trysten | i want to use one computers wireless device from another computer. one of the computers is a router, so i'd rather use my computer. is that possible? can i do something like nc -l -p 1234 /dev/wlan0 |
| 17:40.06 | trysten | (had to reference man nc) |
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| 17:41.33 | damaxus | no. |
| 17:41.41 | format_c | trysten, hehe sounds good. |
| 17:42.04 | format_c | The only esoteric thing I know which goes into that direction is exclusive for block devices. |
| 17:42.13 | format_c | over net |
| 17:42.34 | trysten | like disk drives? tell me about it |
| 17:43.07 | format_c | trysten, you won't be able to leverage that for your purpose. |
| 17:43.19 | format_c | yes disk drives |
| 17:43.49 | trysten | tell me about it :) |
| 17:44.05 | damaxus | there's iSCSI, but lower level is stuff like DRBD |
| 17:44.19 | format_c | trysten, http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BLK_DEV_NBD.html |
| 17:44.28 | damaxus | if you want to use the wifi your best bet is to route packets |
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| 17:45.13 | format_c | trysten, as the other computer is a router anyway, I don't understand the issue. |
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| 17:46.18 | trysten | i want to use airmon, and i think it would be best to have near-physical access to the ethernet device |
| 17:46.38 | format_c | hehe nice try |
| 17:46.39 | trysten | damaxus, routing packets might work.. i don't think so |
| 17:47.26 | trysten | format_c: don't think it will work? |
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| 17:48.08 | format_c | trysten, either plug in a wifi card into your computer or run airmon on the one with the wifi card and dump packets for later analysis. |
| 17:48.52 | trysten | format_c: i know about these things. but wouldn't it be neat to use the wifi of router instead? i don't have it right now or i would be testing |
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| 17:50.06 | damaxus | i dont understand the scenario where you'd remotely use it anyway |
| 17:50.16 | damaxus | if you're on the network to access it.. and hte box is the router... |
| 17:50.44 | trysten | the router has more TXpower |
| 17:51.22 | format_c | trysten, directed antenna? |
| 17:51.22 | trysten | oh oh! i'll be wired to it, and using it's wireless to monitor |
| 17:51.26 | trysten | format_c: yes. |
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| 17:54.31 | format_c | trysten, sorry but I don't have a solution to your problem off-hand |
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| 17:55.11 | trysten | format_c: me neither! we have so much in common |
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| 17:55.27 | format_c | Hehe |
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| 18:06.30 | apm1 | brb, gotta reboot |
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| 18:09.56 | apm1 | i don't understand this , squeeze has firmware that supports my wifi card but not wheezy , this seems unlikely :( |
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| 18:13.44 | dondelelcaro | apm1: you probably haven't installed the appropriate firmware package |
| 18:14.14 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, i installed the linux-firmware meta package |
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| 18:14.32 | dondelelcaro | apm1: dmesg will give you the precise firmware that is missing, and then you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find the package, and install it |
| 18:15.05 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, but what do i do with the already installed linux firmware meta package ? |
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| 18:15.21 | apm1 | complete removal from synaptic will work ? |
| 18:15.31 | jelly-home | .whois nachos |
| 18:15.37 | dondelelcaro | apm1: no, you don't need to do anything with it |
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| 18:16.21 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, actually i am a little short on system resources here so i would much prefer uninstalling not needed packages :) |
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| 18:16.41 | dondelelcaro | apm1: all that package does is require firmware, which is usually pretty small. no real reason to remove it |
| 18:17.02 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, ok :) |
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| 18:18.15 | diddi | Hi! I'm trying to boot my wheezy machine. I've got an error in the mdadm.conf so I'm left with a initramfs shell at boot. I can assemble the md arrays, but I can't mount any of them, I get "Invalid argument" when trying |
| 18:18.25 | diddi | any ideas? It's raid1 arrays running ext3 fs |
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| 18:19.22 | apm1 | is the driver for all the intel wireless cards the same damn one ? :p |
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| 18:21.37 | blubberdiblub | diddi, when you're in the initramfs shell, can you please cat /proc/filesystems? and if ext3 is not among them, can you try to modprobe it? |
| 18:21.48 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, why didn't installing firmware-linux meta package pull the wifi driver for my system any guesses ? |
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| 18:24.18 | diddi | blubberdiblub: tried modprobing all possible filesystems I could think of. But now I just realized I could assemble the arrays, then exit the initramfs prompt to boot the system |
| 18:24.22 | diddi | seems to be working =) |
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| 18:26.07 | dondelelcaro | apm1: it doesn't actually depend on all of the firmware packages out there |
| 18:26.15 | dondelelcaro | apm1: it just depends on those that were in the kernel |
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| 18:26.52 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 18:27.04 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, thanks :) |
| 18:27.36 | dondelelcaro | apm1: np |
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| 18:28.03 | dondelelcaro | apm1: there should have been a warning message telling you to install a firmware package for it, but it's possible that it went by too fast |
| 18:29.01 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, maybe , the package install was too quick for me to read any details :) |
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| 18:30.17 | trysten | format_c? well, i think i can do what i want with nc and airtun-ng |
| 18:30.20 | trysten | we will see |
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| 18:32.53 | taime1 | Hi. My Debian Squeeze install keeps losing ethernet connection and the only thing that will fix it is a reboot (not dhclient, not restarting the network service). What gives? How can I begin to troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:35.16 | apm1 | what are the processor micro code packages used for ? |
| 18:35.34 | apm1 | like "intel-microcode" ? |
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| 18:38.12 | dondelelcaro | apm1: updating the microcode of the intel chips |
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| 18:38.28 | dondelelcaro | apm1: often there are bugs in the microcode on intel processors and the microcode updates fix them |
| 18:39.00 | Mirrakor | apm1: like a firmware update |
| 18:39.20 | apm1 | Mirrakor, how do i know if i need it or not ? |
| 18:39.42 | Mirrakor | apm1: doesn't the package description explain that? |
| 18:39.46 | brandonj | anybody know how I can disable the x11 version of ssh-askpass and stick to the console version? |
| 18:40.21 | apm1 | Mirrakor, maybe but i couldn't make anything out of the package description :( |
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| 18:40.37 | dondelelcaro | apm1: you probably want them, but most of the time it fixes relatively esoteric bugs |
| 18:40.40 | Mirrakor | apm1: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=21925&keyword=%22microcode%22&lang=eng |
| 18:40.44 | reuf | nautilus has some api for accessing file info and manipulating files from bash - how do i access specific file info from bash? |
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| 18:41.02 | dondelelcaro | apm1: but you'd have to actually see the processor specification updates from intel to know what was changed |
| 18:41.08 | dondelelcaro | apm1: and it's different for each processor |
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| 18:43.20 | apm1 | thanks for all your help guys :) |
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| 18:45.07 | taime1 | Hi. How can I troubleshoot randowm ethernet disconnects? I cannot reconnect until rebooting. "dhclient" and restarting the network with /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt work at all. |
| 18:45.34 | taime1 | I don't even know what to look for in terms of logs |
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| 18:46.13 | dondelelcaro | taime1: what is the output of ip link; when you've had one of these disconnects? |
| 18:46.33 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: ip link? |
| 18:46.47 | taime1 | ah.. thats a command |
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| 18:47.03 | taime1 | i su[ppose i will have to wait and run it when it happens next |
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| 18:48.05 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: what's even more odd, is that all wireless clients still have access when my ethernet does not |
| 18:48.49 | dondelelcaro | taime1: they're separate cards, so not that odd, actually. |
| 18:49.02 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: and restarting my router and reseting it, and changing the ip of the router has no effect on my ethernet's ability to connect, and still, all wifi devices can connect through all those changes |
| 18:49.02 | dondelelcaro | taime1: I'd personally guess that it's some kind of hardware/driver interaction problem |
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| 18:49.05 | coreGrl | hi |
| 18:49.23 | dondelelcaro | taime1: some hardware and/or some drivers are really bad at connecting to some networks |
| 18:49.41 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: hm.. why does a reboot fix it |
| 18:49.49 | coreGrl | on wheezy df says that my / is at 100% but doing a df -h the sum is not , what's happening? |
| 18:49.51 | taime1 | why doesnt restarting the network fix it? |
| 18:50.19 | dondelelcaro | taime1: probably because rebooting sticks the hardware back into a known good state |
| 18:50.27 | dondelelcaro | taime1: but without knowing precisely what is happening, I can't tell you exactly |
| 18:50.37 | dondelelcaro | has seen similar behavoir with cheap ethernet controllers, though |
| 18:50.59 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: fair enough. do you think that perhaps reloading the module tg3 would reconnect it without a restart? |
| 18:51.07 | dondelelcaro | taime1: it's possible |
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| 18:51.30 | dondelelcaro | taime1: it's also possible that you might be able to bring the physical link layer down, and bring that back up and have it work |
| 18:51.33 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: thanks for the info about ip link. i will run it when it happens again, then track you back down ;) |
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| 18:51.58 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: link layer? do you mean ifup/down? |
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| 18:52.11 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: i apologize for my newbness |
| 18:52.24 | dondelelcaro | taime1: yeah, the output of ip link; while it's working, ip link; while it's not, any relevant dmesg output, and what the actual lights on the card are doing (as well as the lights on the switch, if available) |
| 18:52.27 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: you wouldnt know ive been using linux for 8 yrs |
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| 18:53.38 | dondelelcaro | taime1: when you hook up two ethernet devices, by default the physical link layer connects itself and auto-negotiates a speed, etc. |
| 18:53.54 | dondelelcaro | taime1: basically, that's what you see as the lights on the card turning on |
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| 18:54.23 | dondelelcaro | taime1: from then, you can bring up the device in linux using ifup, but if the physical link negotiation fails (or doesn't happen), then ifup won't do anything useful |
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| 18:54.27 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: oddly, the lights continue to blink |
| 18:54.42 | dondelelcaro | taime1: regularly? or kind of randomly? |
| 18:54.50 | taime1 | donde randomly it seems |
| 18:54.58 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: randomly, sorry |
| 18:55.19 | dondelelcaro | taime1: ah, ok; then that's probably just activity |
| 18:55.42 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: activity is normal when i have no connection? |
| 18:55.42 | dondelelcaro | if it blinks very regularly, that usually means something has gone wrong with the negotiation |
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| 18:55.51 | taime1 | dondelelcaro: oh i see |
| 18:55.52 | dondelelcaro | taime1: yeah, there's always broadcast traffic |
| 18:56.12 | taime1 | i bet its the tg3 driver.. whadya bet? |
| 18:56.12 | dondelelcaro | well, assuming a normal network |
| 18:56.20 | dondelelcaro | would not surprise me |
| 18:56.26 | taime1 | shotty broadcom |
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| 18:59.05 | apm1 | i just installed the i965-va-driver package , can this hurt my intel gpu in any way , although the package description says it is used to use hardware accelration for video encodes-decodes ? |
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| 19:02.27 | apm1 | brb , gotta reboot |
| 19:03.22 | symb0l | is there a problem with chromium calling dpkg -i on downloaded deb files? |
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| 19:16.55 | neurochrome | hey folks, just tried to install the vdpau drivers on wheezy, rebooted and now I'm stuck during boot. "ignoring device with bound kernel driver"... "unable to connect to X server: Connection refused" |
| 19:16.58 | neurochrome | any ideas? |
| 19:17.48 | remote | boot in single user mode and uninstall the driver |
| 19:17.58 | remote | you can't get to a console? |
| 19:18.21 | neurochrome | yeah, I'm in console |
| 19:18.21 | apm1 | being a complete noob i am asking this from more experienced users as a precaution , can the intel-microcode package cause any problems with my system ? |
| 19:18.29 | neurochrome | removed driver and rebooted, still no go |
| 19:19.00 | neurochrome | just checked the logs, nv driver is missing, I'll try installing that again |
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| 19:19.32 | ubd | hello |
| 19:19.42 | ubd | how can i learn and change the refresh rate |
| 19:20.10 | remote | probably in xorg.conf with horizsync and vertrefresh |
| 19:20.13 | remote | something like that |
| 19:20.31 | ubd | there are frequency intervals there |
| 19:20.44 | remote | udoprog: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-linux-ddcprobe-command/ |
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| 19:20.56 | ubd | ups |
| 19:21.10 | neurochrome | remote, ok so xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already installed but logs say "failed to load module nv - module does not exist" |
| 19:21.12 | neurochrome | hmmm |
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| 19:21.56 | remote | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau provides nouveau_drs.so I think, not nv |
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| 19:22.13 | remote | neurochrome: do `dkpg -L xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' |
| 19:22.36 | ag4ve | what's the command to get a file's actual location? follow links and such? |
| 19:23.00 | neurochrome | ag4ve, locate? find? whereis |
| 19:23.01 | remote | ag4ve: ls -l will show it |
| 19:23.59 | apm1 | i asking it again " can the intel-microcode" package somehow damage my system since i am not really familiar with it :( |
| 19:24.09 | apm1 | *i am |
| 19:24.09 | ag4ve | i thought there was a command just for showing the actual file a link pointed to? |
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| 19:24.36 | remote | apm1: why do you want to install it in first place? |
| 19:25.18 | apm1 | Remion, well i found it and when asked what it does somebody recommended it here :) |
| 19:25.43 | remote | do you need it or not? |
| 19:25.59 | apm1 | remote, i am not sure :( |
| 19:26.00 | ag4ve | here: touch tmp; ln -s tmp a; ln -s a b; from b, show me tmp? |
| 19:26.33 | remote | ag4ve: ls -l |
| 19:26.41 | ag4ve | shows a |
| 19:26.54 | ag4ve | ls -l b shows a |
| 19:26.59 | remote | shows you everything |
| 19:27.08 | ag4ve | how do i script that? |
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| 19:27.18 | apm1 | remote, i would love to have a tad more speed on my processor , but well i certainly don't wanna risk bricking it :( |
| 19:27.19 | remote | ask in #bash |
| 19:27.41 | neurochrome | remote, removed nvidia-kernel-dkms got to boot screen |
| 19:27.49 | neurochrome | now it drops to fallback mode |
| 19:27.54 | neurochrome | grrrr |
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| 19:30.30 | neurochrome | what happened to dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:30.37 | neurochrome | it's not there |
| 19:31.08 | apm1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4366837/what-is-intel-microcode this is scary :( |
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| 19:33.10 | apm1 | dondelelcaro, what do you think ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4366837/what-is-intel-microcode |
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| 19:37.00 | frikinz | ag4ve: readlink ? |
| 19:37.31 | remote | ^ |
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| 19:38.00 | ag4ve | frikinz: thanks, remote beat you to it by a few seconds in #bash :) |
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| 19:45.24 | Guest37342 | I am using Debian Wheezy. The data files are located in /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main. I backedup the data with tar -cf backup.tar /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main. Now I am trying to restore the data using tar -zxvf backup.tar -C /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main command , but get response gzip: stdin: not in gzip format, tar: Child returned status 1, tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now. I stopped postgresql before backingu |
| 19:45.24 | Guest37342 | p and before restoring. Any idea why I am getting an error |
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| 19:45.57 | remote | tar -xvf |
| 19:45.58 | remote | you' |
| 19:46.03 | remote | re using the wrong options |
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| 19:46.17 | remote | man tar |
| 19:46.27 | ChibaPet | Guest37342: Not sure this applies to you, but you likely want to do that kind of operation with pg_dump/pg_restore. |
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| 19:48.03 | SiDz | tar xopft foo.tar |
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| 19:48.36 | SiDz | zxvf is for tar.gz |
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| 19:49.26 | sney | so many options. tar xf |
| 19:50.10 | SiDz | i think p create a directory |
| 19:50.47 | ChibaPet | The man page can help you with that. |
| 19:50.48 | SiDz | nope, preserve-permission |
| 19:51.06 | sney | p is enabled by default in every tar I've used in the past decade or so |
| 19:51.22 | SiDz | the --help show 3 example |
| 19:51.27 | SiDz | for tar tar.gz |
| 19:51.30 | SiDz | and to create a tar.gz |
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| 20:05.32 | stefanomandelli | hi guy ! |
| 20:06.02 | ag4ve | is there a way to allow a user to chown files under a certain mountpoint? |
| 20:06.21 | ag4ve | basically, i'm asking for a way to be real stupid about security |
| 20:06.36 | sney | I think you can set things like that in fstab |
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| 20:07.53 | ag4ve | which means, i should be able to mount it like that, but i don't seem to be able to with ext4 |
| 20:07.54 | neurochrome | so, I appear to have an issue whereby I close all windows and super key then stops working (until I open another window)... is this a known bug? |
| 20:08.00 | neurochrome | gnome-shell btw |
| 20:08.14 | nsadmin | stefanomandelli, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 20:08.32 | ag4ve | i can chown /mountpoint and have complete access to the fs, but because of security, i can't chown root:root /mountpoint/file |
| 20:08.40 | TheWarden | Hi, does anyone know of a good resource explaining how to create a Debian package? |
| 20:08.53 | nsadmin | ag4ve, chown is root-only |
| 20:09.14 | stefanomandelli | In the fstab , (option section) you can specify the gid and id .... |
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| 20:09.53 | stefanomandelli | hi nsadmins :) |
| 20:09.55 | kunwon1 | i'm about to upgrade from lenny, and aptitude is showing me many packages being held back, will this interfere with my upgrade? how can i clear this list? i'm trying to ensure i'm fully up to date in lenny before i start the upgrade process |
| 20:12.00 | ag4ve | nsadmin: yeah, and there was a bug in tar a while ago that allowed filex to be extracted with arbitrary gid/uid a while ago too. so, i'm asking to do something of questionable inteligence, but... how? |
| 20:12.41 | ag4ve | nsadmin: also, chown isn't root only - you can run it to change group ownership if you belong to other groups as a user |
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| 20:12.44 | stefanomandelli | ..... kunwon1 ....i don't understand. Now you are a lenny, and you traing to upgrade to squeeze ? |
| 20:13.34 | stefanomandelli | ag4ve: nsadmin ..... a setusuid program ? |
| 20:13.43 | kunwon1 | stefanomandelli: no, i'm on lenny, and trying to upgrade all packages to their latest versions in lenny, prior to an upgrade to squeeze |
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| 20:15.09 | ag4ve | stefanomandelli: that might work... depending on how the program / scripts were made... thanks |
| 20:15.28 | ChibaPet | kunwon1: I tend to apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:15.37 | ChibaPet | That *ought* to get you to latest-Lenny in perparation. |
| 20:15.45 | ChibaPet | perparation* |
| 20:15.52 | kunwon1 | ChibaPet: even if i have packages held back? |
| 20:15.55 | ChibaPet | preparation* |
| 20:16.04 | ChibaPet | Are they manually held back? Like, pinned? |
| 20:16.07 | kunwon1 | there's a long list of held back packages in the aptitude gui |
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| 20:16.12 | intore | hi, i configured a virtual network using VirtualBox with a Debian Squeeze server and two Ubuntu Clients. The server can ping the router (192.168.1.1) and it can also browse internet but the clients can't go on internet. What do i have to check for this problem? |
| 20:16.20 | kunwon1 | some of them are automatic, some of them seem to be manual, it's been some time since i messed with this system :D |
| 20:16.22 | ChibaPet | in aptitude, see if 'U' causes them to want to upgrade |
| 20:16.36 | neurochrome | man.... ffs. just noticed that docky is the problem. it steals focus from shell and breaks the meta/super key when no windows are open |
| 20:16.42 | neurochrome | this. sucks. |
| 20:16.43 | kunwon1 | would i have to do that to all of them ChibaPet? there are hundreds |
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| 20:16.57 | ChibaPet | No, just 'U' once and it ought to see about fitting in everything. |
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| 20:16.58 | kunwon1 | i'm looking for a way to clear the list of held packages entirely, i think |
| 20:17.03 | kunwon1 | alright, ChibaPet thanks |
| 20:17.21 | stefanomandelli | intore: ...... check the ip of the gateway |
| 20:17.23 | ChibaPet | I could easily be wrong, but I believe it's the equivalent of aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 20:17.30 | ChibaPet | or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:17.53 | kunwon1 | when i press U in aptitude, it gives me a single package that it wants to remove |
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| 20:18.35 | stefanomandelli | intore: or if the vm ... take the ip from a dhcp server, you can specify in the dhcpd config the option routers. Set it to the ip of your gateway |
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| 20:18.40 | intore | stefanomandelli, on the clients i set the server ip as gateway |
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| 20:19.09 | stefanomandelli | the ip of the gateway ..... is not the server ! But your router ! |
| 20:19.12 | ChibaPet | kunwon1: Not noting conflicts? Is the package something you care about? |
| 20:19.21 | nsadmin | kunwon1, yep, after geting latest lenny, get squeeze kernel and reboot into it |
| 20:20.05 | kunwon1 | ChibaPet: it's some DNS lib, but the problem is there are still hundreds of packages held back, i want to clear that list before i start upgrading/removing things |
| 20:20.43 | intore | stefanomandelli, can't i use the server as gateway? |
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| 20:21.10 | ChibaPet | kunwon1: Does your sources.list still say Lenny? |
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| 20:22.15 | ChibaPet | aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade ought not to leave any held back, unless something is broken in a way I don't comprehend at the moment. |
| 20:22.18 | stefanomandelli | intore: you can, but you must set the iptables ad hoc ! And is not simple. The most simple way is to create a tap tunnel whith briedge interface, and use the ip gateway the ip of your routers |
| 20:22.20 | stefanomandelli | router |
| 20:22.25 | kunwon1 | ChibaPet: yes, it does |
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| 20:23.31 | intore | stefanomandelli, i don't like. Is possible installing the dhcp server in the server? |
| 20:23.37 | lars_g | is there any mechanism in debian to a) disable arp b) define a static arp table neatly? |
| 20:23.44 | kunwon1 | ah, yes, that does it ChibaPet :) i thought full-upgrade didn't upgrade held packages. it shows me that one libdns being removed still, but along with that a long list of packages to upgrade and none being held back. thanks :D |
| 20:24.13 | ChibaPet | happy to help |
| 20:24.37 | stefanomandelli | intore: hahaha yes.... dhcp3-server .... the name of paket |
| 20:24.47 | lars_g | from a grep in init.d I guess there's none. I need to code one into post up probably? |
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| 20:25.41 | intore | stefanomandelli, so, installing the dhcp server on the virtual server then i can use internet from the clients? |
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| 20:26.05 | stefanomandelli | no ! |
| 20:27.03 | stefanomandelli | try to use the tap tunnel and the bridge ! |
| 20:27.23 | stefanomandelli | is very simple and useful ! |
| 20:27.41 | intore | stefanomandelli, i have 4 taps and 2 bridge |
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| 20:28.13 | stefanomandelli | brctl show |
| 20:28.39 | stefanomandelli | which interface are in the bridge ? |
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| 20:31.16 | intore | stefanomandelli, the bridges are br0 (10.1.1.1) and br1 (10.1.2.1) |
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| 20:32.15 | intore | stefanomandelli, the server has tap0 (10.1.1.2) linked to br0 and tap1 (10.1.2.1) linked to br1 |
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| 20:33.05 | frikinz | lars_g: ifconfig takes a parameter -arp to disable arp on the interface |
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| 20:33.34 | nsadmin | can a tap have the same IP as a bridge? |
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| 20:34.37 | intore | nsadmin, am sorry, tap1 has 10.1.2.2 |
| 20:34.43 | lars_g | frikinz: Thanks, is there any /network/interfaces way to add this? or do I need to edit the initscript? |
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| 20:34.54 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 20:40.02 | frikinz | lars_g: not sure. I see in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz that you can have a stanza "up ifconfig $IFACE 0.0.0.0 up" so you could maybe do a "up ifconfig $IFACE 1.2.3.4 -arp up" . Never done this though |
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| 20:41.45 | frikinz | lars_g: and .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181988 |
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| 20:42.11 | frikinz | Just need to wait a bit ;) |
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| 20:50.05 | ech0s7 | hi all! |
| 20:50.22 | jaggz | hi |
| 20:50.44 | jaggz | what about things being held at a current state, but the reason is a blank list of dependencies |
| 20:50.57 | jaggz | that is, it says it's being held back to avoid breaking the following dependencies: <nothing here> |
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| 20:53.03 | ech0s7 | i have setted up an access point using hostapd, my configuration is this: http://pastebin.com/AqjKzWtH |
| 20:53.30 | ech0s7 | Now i would intercept all HTTP connection and manipulate the HTTP response |
| 20:53.40 | ech0s7 | have you any idea ? |
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| 20:56.24 | frikinz | ech0s7: squid and mod_rewrite ? |
| 20:56.44 | ech0s7 | frikinz: mod_rewrite ? |
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| 20:56.56 | ech0s7 | i haven't webserver |
| 20:57.02 | ech0s7 | i have only access point |
| 20:57.05 | ech0s7 | for internet |
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| 20:58.27 | nsadmin | in what way do you want to manipulate the response |
| 20:59.07 | nsadmin | in order to manipulate it. you must read and parse it first |
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| 21:00.43 | Pupuser | hello guys |
| 21:00.44 | ech0s7 | yes nsadmin and how could i read it ? |
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| 21:01.04 | Pupuser | guys, I have some problems with the partition table |
| 21:01.05 | frikinz | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
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| 21:01.23 | Pupuser | a while ago (1,5 years) you gave me some precious advices |
| 21:01.32 | Pupuser | but now I'm in bigger trouble |
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| 21:01.43 | Pupuser | cfdisk can't read the disk |
| 21:02.08 | Tadekjew | hi which channel is good to ask about VPN for freenode ? |
| 21:02.16 | Pupuser | the thing is that my friend dd'ed a linux .iso on his harddrive |
| 21:02.30 | Pupuser | instead of his flash drive |
| 21:02.44 | Pupuser | now I've booted from puppy linux |
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| 21:05.53 | prova21 | Hey |
| 21:06.00 | prova21 | I want to install debian testing |
| 21:06.06 | prova21 | but I found 6 cd IS |
| 21:06.09 | prova21 | *ISO |
| 21:06.16 | prova21 | do I need to download all of them? |
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| 21:06.56 | jaggz | pupuser, dd'ed .iso over sda instead of sda1 or whatever? |
| 21:06.56 | zykotick9 | prova21: IMO it's better to install stable, then "downgrade/upgrade" to testing. |
| 21:07.30 | prova21 | ok how to upgrade to testing from stable? |
| 21:07.33 | jaggz | nsadmin: buenos dias |
| 21:07.43 | prova21 | by simply adding backports rapos on sources.list ? |
| 21:07.48 | prova21 | *repos |
| 21:08.00 | Pupuser | http://paste.debian.net/203140/ |
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| 21:08.18 | prova21 | zykotick9 ^ |
| 21:08.46 | Pupuser | jagginess, no, dd'ed over sdb, instead of sda |
| 21:09.01 | Pupuser | his drive were sdb |
| 21:09.04 | jagginess | ignores Pupuser |
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| 21:09.15 | zykotick9 | !tell prova21 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:09.16 | jagginess | i never answered him before |
| 21:09.21 | Pupuser | jaggz, |
| 21:09.23 | Pupuser | ^^ |
| 21:09.26 | Pupuser | that was for you |
| 21:09.31 | Pupuser | sorry jagginess |
| 21:09.35 | Pupuser | I'm sleepy |
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| 21:10.13 | Pupuser | so..what I can do now about the partition table? |
| 21:10.19 | Pupuser | can I edit it somehow? |
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| 21:10.37 | Pupuser | FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive |
| 21:10.42 | jaggz | you overwrote it with a usb image? not sure how those are formatted |
| 21:10.48 | Pupuser | ^^ this is what cfdisk says |
| 21:10.55 | Pupuser | jaggz, |
| 21:11.09 | Pupuser | I already restored the partition table with testdisk |
| 21:11.15 | Pupuser | but..it is not ok\ |
| 21:11.17 | prova21 | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 21:11.28 | jaggz | I think you need to recreate the partition table.. if you don't know the start/ends of cylinders you're in trouble.. not to mention that you also wrote over the first part of the drive |
| 21:11.30 | jaggz | (he did) |
| 21:11.31 | Pupuser | cfdisk can't open the drive |
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| 21:11.50 | Pupuser | yeah, I've thought of that |
| 21:11.50 | f00bar80 | in a fully-virtualized guests (HVM) with Xen 3.2 on a Debian Lenny x86_64 the debian guest OS using HVM ? |
| 21:11.58 | jaggz | I'm sorry, I can't focus much more on this right now.. I'm not sure of the solution or what problem you're having.. keep trying though |
| 21:12.02 | Pupuser | but...well, screw the first patition |
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| 21:12.20 | Pupuser | jaggz, do you know how I can edit the patiotion table? |
| 21:12.31 | Pupuser | the thing is that I can already mount the drives |
| 21:12.34 | jaggz | what does normal fdisk say? |
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| 21:12.48 | jaggz | and gparted is handy |
| 21:12.49 | Pupuser | http://paste.debian.net/203140/ |
| 21:12.49 | Pupuser | this |
| 21:13.20 | jaggz | I don't know about cfdisk .. look up the error online |
| 21:13.22 | jaggz | afk.. sorry |
| 21:14.07 | f00bar80 | any idea ? |
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| 21:18.27 | Alex_Bkash | I am using linux mint 13 mate.my x-server fails to start after rebooting 6 times from usb persistant mode. how can i overcome this problem? |
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| 21:19.52 | MrFrood | Alex_Bkash: try asling in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 21:25.30 | prova21 | zykotick9: is it ok to keep "contrib" repos, too? |
| 21:25.30 | disposable | how do i loopmount an image of a disk that contains only 1 partition? (it's not an image of a partition, it's an image of a whole disk including boot sector) |
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| 21:25.50 | prova21 | zykotick9: I'm asking because your bot didn't tell anything about "contrib" |
| 21:25.51 | zykotick9 | prova21: ya contrib and non-free should both work... |
| 21:25.59 | prova21 | ok |
| 21:26.09 | dondelelcaro | disposable: losetup with an offset |
| 21:26.35 | disposable | dondelelcaro: oh crap. thanks |
| 21:26.44 | dondelelcaro | disposable: and often with a sizelimit too. You can use fdisk or similar on the image if you don't know what the offset is |
| 21:27.07 | disposable | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 21:27.13 | dondelelcaro | disposable: no problem |
| 21:27.25 | r3m | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.27 | dondelelcaro | disposable: there are some howtos out there to walk you through if you need more detailed information |
| 21:27.30 | r3m | sorry |
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| 21:30.13 | MrFrood | r3m: no worries, we have all done it - at least it was not #bdsm ;) |
| 21:30.26 | r3m | hehe |
| 21:32.35 | jagginess | disposable, modprobe dm_mod, losetup , kpartx -a /dev/loop# , then you should have /dev/mapper/loop#p# entries , |
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| 21:32.55 | jagginess | disposable, you use "mount /dev/mapper/loop#p# <>" something like that |
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| 21:40.02 | cardamon | I've got no manpage for alias. |
| 21:40.45 | ratcheer | cardamon: I think alias is documentse in the bash manpage |
| 21:40.48 | cardamon | Is it in a package, or was it never there at all? |
| 21:41.02 | ratcheer | ^^documented |
| 21:41.24 | zykotick9 | cardamon: same thing here. "man alias" = no manual entry for alias ;) |
| 21:41.25 | themill | cardamon: "help alias" |
| 21:41.39 | themill | it's a bash builtin, not a separate binary |
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| 21:49.00 | prova21 | zykotick9: A doubt |
| 21:49.31 | prova21 | To remove squeeze/updates lines means that the 2 security repos have to be removed? |
| 21:49.43 | prova21 | because they both are "updates" |
| 21:49.50 | Alex_Bkash | MrFood: none resoponded in #linixmint-help |
| 21:50.10 | zykotick9 | prova21: ya i don't think those apply to wheezy - but could be wrong. i'm not a wheezy or sid fan myself. |
| 21:50.13 | Alex_Bkash | * MrFrood |
| 21:51.17 | cardamon | Alex_Bkash: Even if it's a debian-based distro, it's not Debian, so the denizens of the #debian can't be expected to support something they didn't implement/use. |
| 21:51.20 | themill | prova21: wheezy/updates exists, but doesn't have anything interesting in it yet as wheezy doesn't yet have people providing security support |
| 21:51.35 | prova21 | ok fine |
| 21:51.56 | prova21 | I mean, it is not fine that there's no people providing security for wheezy |
| 21:51.57 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks for the correction ;) |
| 21:52.07 | prova21 | it's fine that I can remove those lines xD |
| 21:52.27 | cardamon | prova21: You don't know what that means. |
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| 21:52.45 | Alex_Bkash | cardamon can u tell me which i should for remastersys and install on usb?\ |
| 21:52.53 | cardamon | Alex_Bkash: Nope. |
| 21:52.59 | MrFrood | Alex_Bkash: this is #debian, perhaps ##linux here on freenode might be able to help |
| 21:53.15 | prova21 | cardamon: You mean that he meant that there's not "security" just because wheezy is still a testing distro? |
| 21:53.24 | themill | prova21: you may as well leave those lines there, that way when there is security support, you get it straight away |
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| 21:54.33 | Alex_Bkash | MrFrood I want to install a distro and then customize it and then make iso using remastersys and distribute in usb. Which distro will be most stable? |
| 21:54.39 | cardamon | prova21: No, I mean you don't know what "security" means. |
| 21:55.26 | MrFrood | Alex_Bkash: this is #debian you won't get an impartial answer - try ##linux |
| 21:55.31 | cardamon | In this case, security updates, or the volatile release, are updates done on which ever release is currently stable, and therefore not getting updated. |
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| 21:56.19 | cardamon | Alex_Bkash: try ##linux-help...we splintered off...but be aware we're few in number thus far...and I don't know the answer to your question regardless...but if you have Linux Mint problems...ask Linux Mint. |
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| 21:58.39 | Alex_Bkash | MrFrood can u tell which debian based distro will be good? |
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| 21:59.35 | streuner | Alex_Bkash: just use Debian, if you willing to learn and able to read |
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| 22:00.26 | prova21 | lol |
| 22:00.29 | prova21 | ok thx guyz |
| 22:00.31 | prova21 | bye |
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| 22:00.34 | MrFrood | Alex_Bkash: well.. as I'm here I'd say go for Debian |
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| 22:02.21 | cardamon | Alex_Bkash: They're all good. We're the best. |
| 22:02.37 | Alex_Bkash | hmm. |
| 22:03.02 | MrFrood | told ya this was not the place for imartial advice ;) |
| 22:03.09 | cardamon | ...unless you like System D. Or Upstart. Or bleeding edges. Or shiny new things gizmos that break all the time. |
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| 22:06.33 | MrFrood | !sns |
| 22:06.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 22:17.31 | SuperMiguel | so if im setting up an mdadm raid 0, ill have first create 3 partitions on each of the drives, boot, swap and / .. Then create 2 arrays using mdadm one for / and another for swap... and put boot on any of the initial non raided partitions? |
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| 22:20.08 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: yes, or raid1 /boot if you want |
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| 22:20.15 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: though honestly, I'd not use raid0 |
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| 22:20.42 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro: using SSD drives so it should be safer |
| 22:20.53 | SuperMiguel | and make /boot what 100mb? |
| 22:20.57 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: or at least, I'd use raid1 for most of the operating system, and then raid0 for the data that I needed to be fast but could afford to lose. |
| 22:21.18 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: SSD drives fail too, but it's up to you |
| 22:21.32 | SuperMiguel | dondelelcaro: ya data on it is not that important anyways |
| 22:21.41 | SuperMiguel | usually backed up daily |
| 22:21.57 | SuperMiguel | how big should my /boot be? 100mb? |
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| 22:22.10 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: you can get away with 100M, yes. |
| 22:22.17 | dondelelcaro | SuperMiguel: I tend to go a bit bigger, but it's not necessary |
| 22:22.30 | SuperMiguel | i can probably afford .5gb |
| 22:22.38 | dondelelcaro | no real point to anything bigger than 150M |
| 22:22.52 | dondelelcaro | and probably 100M is overkill too |
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| 22:23.05 | jaggz | error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character in revision number |
| 22:23.07 | dondelelcaro | just forgets to cycle out kernels some time |
| 22:23.11 | jaggz | how do you get rid of these things? I deleted virtualbox |
| 22:23.18 | jaggz | (it was from a 3rd party repository) |
| 22:23.35 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: you can just manually edit the status file |
| 22:24.00 | jaggz | thanks |
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| 22:25.04 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: in this case, I'd just remove the _ from the version number, since that's what is bad |
| 22:25.53 | jaggz | but if I removed that 3rd party repository from my sources AND removed the virtualbox.* packages, why is it still here? |
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| 22:26.02 | jaggz | oh.. it has to track purging or whatever |
| 22:26.14 | jaggz | how do I clean it out of my arteries completely? |
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| 22:27.56 | simplew | whats the channel for packaging? |
| 22:28.02 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: dpkg --purge foopkg; will remove it from the status file |
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| 22:28.11 | jaggz | thanks |
| 22:28.16 | dondelelcaro | simplew: you can ask packaging questions here, or in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:29.13 | simplew | dondelelcaro: i have so far rebuild packages, but now i would like to change the package version, add this new source version and build it, could you help? |
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| 22:30.22 | jaggz | looks like virtualbox is in the repos as it is.. interesting |
| 22:30.51 | jaggz | (in non-free) |
| 22:31.27 | jaggz | I just replaced the _ like you said. :) |
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| 22:34.56 | dondelelcaro | simplew: sure, you can use dch to do that, or you can change debian/changelog in an editor |
| 22:35.01 | dondelelcaro | simplew: then you can rebuild teh package |
| 22:37.09 | simplew | dondelelcaro: but if the source changes, how do i do to use the new source? do i paste the new source foo-0.1.tar.gz into foo-0.1 directory? do what? |
| 22:37.28 | dondelelcaro | simplew: oh, sorry; I misunderstood. |
| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | simplew: you can use uupdate for that |
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| 22:37.44 | simplew | dondelelcaro: can you be more specific? |
| 22:38.06 | dondelelcaro | simplew: stick the new upstream tarball in ../, then from foo-0.1, run uupdate ../foo-0.2.tar.gz; then cd ../foo-0.2; and you're in the new version |
| 22:38.10 | dondelelcaro | simplew: man uupdate for details |
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| 22:38.35 | simplew | dondelelcaro: lets imagine im dealing with bbswtich.0.4.2, now i want to use bbswitch from git thats has version 0.5, how to i do to package the files from git? |
| 22:39.04 | dondelelcaro | simplew: has bbswitch 0.5 been released? |
| 22:39.15 | dondelelcaro | simplew: are you using git-buildpackage or similar? |
| 22:39.17 | simplew | dondelelcaro: no, its just an exmaple |
| 22:39.22 | simplew | dondelelcaro: no |
| 22:39.37 | simplew | dondelelcaro: these are my first steps regarding build deb stuff |
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| 22:40.17 | dondelelcaro | simplew: if it hasn't then what you can do is you can make a tarball yourself from the git files and call it bbswitch_0.5~git.date.orig.tar.gz or similar |
| 22:40.27 | dondelelcaro | simplew: then you use uupdate as before |
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| 22:45.12 | simplew | dondelelcaro: when running 'dch -i' in editor i get UNRELEASED; urgency=low why does it appears UNRELEASED instead quantal? |
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| 22:47.02 | dondelelcaro | simplew: you set the target release when you finalize the changelog to release a package |
| 22:47.25 | dondelelcaro | simplew: man dch; for details |
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| 22:47.53 | simplew | dondelelcaro: |
| 22:47.55 | simplew | -i, --increment |
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| 22:48.12 | simplew | dondelelcaro: really dont get why appears UNRELEASED |
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| 22:49.56 | dondelelcaro | simplew: man dch; search for UNLREASED |
| 22:51.10 | dondelelcaro | simplew: the reason why UNLREASED appears is because dch assumes that a package has not been uploaded to a target release until you put the target into the release field. Thus, UNRELEASED. When you're ready to release the package, you use dch -r. |
| 22:51.26 | dondelelcaro | (all of this is explained in the dch manpage) |
| 22:51.30 | simplew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 22:57.38 | r3m | Hi, should I use ServerAliveInternal instead of autossh |
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| 22:59.02 | dondelelcaro | r3m: they do very separate things |
| 22:59.27 | |rt| | does anyone know if it's possible to set the priority of packages in a private repository or is the only way to use pinning or /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:59.32 | r3m | dondelelcaro: but serveraliveinterval will prevent me from getting disconnected? |
| 22:59.51 | dondelelcaro | r3m: no, it'll just detect that the server has died |
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| 23:00.09 | dondelelcaro | r3m: autossh will reconnect if that happens, whereas ssh won't |
| 23:00.28 | r3m | dondelelcaro: so i should use both |
| 23:00.51 | dondelelcaro | r3m: yes, ServerAliveInterval is 300 by default, iirc. |
| 23:01.01 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: yes, it's possible |
| 23:01.13 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: though the settings from the repository side are much more limited |
| 23:01.41 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: I just want to make sure that debian prefers our repository even when the version numbers are the same |
| 23:01.58 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: uh... that way lies madness |
| 23:02.05 | |rt| | I'm using mini-dinstall to setup the repo |
| 23:02.06 | r3m | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:02.18 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: having different packages with the same version is really bad |
| 23:03.14 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: perhaps but say debian releases a newer version and we want to make sure that we continue to run our internal version |
| 23:03.29 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: if you want that, the way to do it is to use an internal-only mirror |
| 23:03.51 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: and only release newer versions of packages to it when you've added your updated versions with whatever changes are required |
| 23:04.18 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: well that sounds like it will take alot of maintenance |
| 23:04.51 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: we only have a hand full of packages that we need to rebuild so I'd rather not have to setup a full repo and just have one that has our packages along side of the debian repos |
| 23:05.06 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: it'll take a bit, yeah. You can also do things like epochs to the version number to make sure that they don't get upgraded if it's a smaller number of packages |
| 23:05.53 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: and depending on the packages that you need to rebuild, you may also be able to get away with using entirely different package names |
| 23:05.59 | dondelelcaro | with appropriate conflicts, etc. |
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| 23:07.39 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: that may be possible |
| 23:07.55 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: yeah; which is the right decision really depends on your specific situation |
| 23:07.57 | |rt| | we'll have to pull some of what we are doing into cfEngine...which we should do anyhow |
| 23:08.01 | dondelelcaro | right |
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| 23:08.50 | |rt| | some of the packages predate us rolling out proper config management are are used to make sure that serial consoles and such are setup appropriately |
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| 23:09.14 | dondelelcaro | ah, right |
| 23:09.19 | dondelelcaro | happens |
| 23:09.49 | reuf | if you go to your bash and if your system us using nautilus and type gvfs-info /path/to/antyhing you will get info on that folder/file - you can change the position of your icon by gvfs-set-attribute - but you have to do f5 on Desktop to see the change - now, i want to know if bash can do refresh f5 on my ubuntu/debian Desktop - or some python script or something to execute from bash? |
| 23:10.32 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: so how do you set the priority for a repo from the repo....curious as to how that is done as I can't find anything online |
| 23:10.43 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: http://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat#NotAutomatic_and_ButAutomaticUpgrades |
| 23:11.02 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: that's really it; it's basically there for things like backports and experimental where we don't want people getting those packages by accident |
| 23:11.08 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: so not particularly useful in this case |
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| 23:12.00 | dondelelcaro | (you can set the priority to 1 or 100 via those flags, but that's about it) |
| 23:12.11 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: right now my repo has the priority of 500 which is the same as the base debian repos |
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| 23:13.11 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: right; you can't force it to have a higher priority than that from the Release file; it has to happen from apt-pinning |
| 23:13.35 | dondelelcaro | at least, not by any mechanism I know of |
| 23:13.43 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: ok well then that may be the solution |
| 23:14.21 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: although I do like renaming our packages like appending the company's name to them and marking them as conflicts with the debian packages |
| 23:16.03 | |rt| | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help |
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| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | |rt|: no problem |
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| 23:19.23 | simplew | dondelelcaro: what default debian dm? |
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| 23:20.27 | dondelelcaro | simplew: not sure what you mean by dm. |
| 23:20.44 | simplew | dondelelcaro: mean WM |
| 23:21.18 | dondelelcaro | simplew: oh, it depends on what you install |
| 23:21.44 | simplew | dondelelcaro: so it asks user in isntall what WM to go? |
| 23:21.54 | dondelelcaro | simplew: I think right now the default is xfce, but we have kde, gnome, and I think lxde disks. I personally use awesome, and we have at least a few dozen other WMs. |
| 23:22.01 | MrFrood | all the major DE's are supported |
| 23:22.20 | simplew | dondelelcaro: i dont know a WM called awesome |
| 23:22.30 | dondelelcaro | !awesome |
| 23:22.30 | dpkg | awesome is, like, a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:23.44 | MrFrood | for awesome do a minmal install (cli only) and then add what you want, it's what I do with openbox |
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| 23:25.16 | simplew | dondelelcaro: does in debian polkit-kde-kcmodules-1 is packaged? |
| 23:28.45 | dondelelcaro | simplew: I think that's polkit-kde-1, but I don't know. I don't deal with PolicyKit or KDE. |
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| 23:29.00 | simplew | dondelelcaro: no, its a different package |
| 23:30.28 | dondelelcaro | simplew: then apparently not; packages.debian.org has all of the packages that exist in Debian. |
| 23:30.35 | dondelelcaro | simplew: I have no idea about what exists in Ubuntu |
| 23:31.12 | simplew | dondelelcaro: it doesnt exist in ubuntu, but exists in mains distros, at least in Mageia, opensuse and fedora |
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| 23:45.25 | MrFrood | zykotick9: all my machines are wired connections |
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| 23:46.54 | ratcheer | I am using network manager with slim. It is working just fine. |
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| 23:49.33 | simplew | dondelelcaro: debian uses drakut to generate initramfs? |
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| 23:52.21 | zykotick9 | ratcheer: slim is a dm isn't it ;) MrFrood ya, it's only my netbook where i run into the issue ;) |
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| 23:56.41 | MrFrood | zykotick9: slim is a login thingy (like gdm) |
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| 23:57.10 | zykotick9 | MrFrood: i've used slim as my dm before... |
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| 23:57.29 | MrFrood | me too |
| 23:57.46 | MrFrood | currently using lightdm |
| 23:58.03 | MrFrood | (with wheezy) |
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