| 00:00.12 | vacuous | I'd rather install vm tools and not open vm tools, but that seems to fail too |
| 00:00.14 | vacuous | lol |
| 00:00.37 | damaxus | vm tools require patching |
| 00:00.39 | jeep | kaste: ive done that with router distros works ok dpeending on libs needed ect. |
| 00:00.49 | damaxus | lemme see if i can find my notes |
| 00:01.11 | jeep | kaste: simple programs work better than ones with lots of dependencies |
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| 00:01.55 | reuf | dondelelcaro: thanks, kaste - thanks, jeep - thanks |
| 00:02.02 | n1md4 | hello, can anyone help with a bit of bind config. |
| 00:02.08 | Shutdown | hi everybody |
| 00:02.26 | n1md4 | essentially, bind won't start from init.d scripts |
| 00:02.40 | dondelelcaro | n1md4: what's the error message? |
| 00:02.53 | n1md4 | it just says Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 00:02.58 | n1md4 | nothing in syslog |
| 00:03.05 | n1md4 | it's really weird |
| 00:03.17 | dondelelcaro | n1md4: is there anything in /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 00:03.26 | dondelelcaro | (which is usually where bind errors get logged) |
| 00:03.40 | damaxus | vacuous: https://pastee.org/8d8hc |
| 00:03.58 | n1md4 | ah! never thought to look there! |
| 00:04.01 | n1md4 | thanks |
| 00:04.15 | vacuous | thanks I'll look |
| 00:04.19 | dondelelcaro | n1md4: np |
| 00:06.30 | Shutdown | i intend to create a line with 60 "@"s in vim. Does it have a command to create this line, or i'll need to digit th "@" 60 times? |
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| 00:07.13 | kaste | Shutdown i@<esc>59.? |
| 00:07.19 | kaste | but wrong channel :) |
| 00:07.48 | ratcheer | lol |
| 00:08.10 | vacuous | damaxus, when it says add contrib non-free, what does that mean? |
| 00:08.11 | reuf | whats the use of .bashrc directory? |
| 00:08.14 | n1md4 | dondelelcaro: that was part 1 of the problem. the next bit, I've got dynamic dns updating configured http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/BIND%2C_dynamic_DNS (which has been working well for some time now), but when I run the update script I'm getting "response to SOA query was unsuccessful". If you look at the bottom of that wiki page you'll see the script, and specifically the nsupdate part is where is produces than error. |
| 00:08.19 | vacuous | link contrib non-free - like that? |
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| 00:08.59 | n1md4 | where might the errors for that be logged; it's not under daemon.log this time :-\ |
| 00:09.06 | kaste | reuf: .bashrc isn't a directory it's a file that tells your bash shell what options to startup with |
| 00:09.24 | reuf | kaste: is it different for every user? |
| 00:09.30 | Shutdown | kaste: thanks for the help. I know i'm in the wrong channel, but this channel have the good reputation to help. is there another way to create that line? |
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| 00:10.03 | kaste | reuf: it doesn't even exist if you don't create it usually you fallback to something in /etc like /etc/bashrc |
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| 00:10.29 | damaxus | vacuous: it means to have a sources.list like this: https://pastee.org/jp5sj |
| 00:10.44 | kaste | Shutdown: (awesome nick btw) sure there are many, maybe record a macro in between, split it into commands but i think thats the shortest way |
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| 00:11.19 | dondelelcaro | n1md4: that probably means that the zone isn't configured properly or something else. I'd check to make sure that you can get the SOA with an appropriate dig request |
| 00:11.26 | vacuous | h |
| 00:11.30 | reuf | kaste: whats the use of .bash_logout file? |
| 00:11.33 | vacuous | oh thanks, I'll re-do it, I didn't do the non-free bit |
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| 00:12.02 | kaste | .bash_logout is sourced if you logout, it's basically meant for cleaning up after yourself |
| 00:12.14 | reuf | also if anyone knows whats the use of .bashrc.save ? |
| 00:12.38 | dondelelcaro | reuf: that's most likely someone trying to backup their .bashrc |
| 00:12.41 | kaste | reuf: i'd bet on some editor keeping a backup around when editing the file |
| 00:12.49 | dondelelcaro | reuf: man bash; if you want to know all of the files that bash reads |
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| 00:13.21 | natsukao | hi |
| 00:14.07 | natsukao | i would like to know where can i find GNU/linux Debian for (PowerPc) ibook G$ 14 inches (laptop) |
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| 00:14.28 | natsukao | awaining your reply, happy hacking |
| 00:14.31 | natsukao | pavlz |
| 00:14.50 | natsukao | ibook G4 |
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| 00:15.20 | dondelelcaro | natsukao: |
| 00:15.36 | rypervenche | natsukao: http://debian.org ? |
| 00:15.37 | n1md4 | dondelelcaro: "update failed: SERVFAIL" |
| 00:15.38 | Shutdown | kaste: i consumed about to 30 min thinking in any way to achieve my goal, and now you opened my ideas, thank you, friend |
| 00:15.48 | dondelelcaro | natsukao: you can find it in the same place everything else is; http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:15.51 | reuf | whats the difference between apt-get, aptitude, synaptic and dpkg install managers - will they conflict with each other if you mix them when installing stuff? |
| 00:15.57 | dondelelcaro | natsukao: see the install guide for details |
| 00:16.05 | natsukao | it's arrived at home a broken laptop which was of my cousin, there are several plastic parts to change, but it seems to work |
| 00:16.15 | rypervenche | reuf: I recommend only using aptitude and dpkg |
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| 00:16.23 | vacuous | damaxus it's now downloading stuff. what does non-free do? |
| 00:16.34 | vacuous | and I think I should have apt-update :( oops |
| 00:16.38 | natsukao | why only aptitude ? |
| 00:16.41 | reuf | rypervenche: why, what happens if i use the others? |
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| 00:16.47 | kaste | Shutdown: seriously? you spennt 30 min on a task that takes you 60 seconds in brute force mode? You're overdoing vim-golf |
| 00:16.50 | natsukao | can't i download the distribution with wget ? |
| 00:16.54 | bikedude880 | Anyone care to explain to roboman2444 that Debian is a stable distro and that fglrx-driver won't be updated to 12.10 in unstable anytime soon? |
| 00:17.18 | damaxus | vacuous: non-free software (in a licensing sense) |
| 00:17.26 | vacuous | ah |
| 00:17.32 | rypervenche | If you use aptitude, you should always use it. aptitude knows what dependencies were installed with a package, so when you remove it, so are they. |
| 00:17.35 | damaxus | and yeah, update whenever you change sources.list or havent updated in a while before instlalling stuff |
| 00:17.37 | dondelelcaro | natsukao: yes, you can. |
| 00:17.46 | vacuous | damn |
| 00:17.50 | rypervenche | apt-get won't |
| 00:17.52 | vacuous | I updated right before I added non-free |
| 00:17.54 | rypervenche | depending. |
| 00:17.55 | vacuous | but not after |
| 00:17.59 | damaxus | its non-fatal if you forget, usually it'll just bomb out with an error |
| 00:18.11 | damaxus | after which you update, and then run the upgrade/install and it works |
| 00:18.19 | vacuous | I bet money that I'll get the same problem with paste not working |
| 00:18.24 | rypervenche | reuf: apititude also keeps easier to read logs. |
| 00:18.51 | natsukao | which is the difference with multi-arch ? |
| 00:19.04 | rypervenche | reuf: I would only really use apt-get for updating to a newer version of debian, and for downloading source tarballs. |
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| 00:19.53 | reuf | rypervenche: i understand, thanks |
| 00:20.12 | Shutdown | kaste: i already knew how to do that task, but i forgot. So, my task became remember (or finally ask to help) how to do the trick, and no more do the "brute force". :) |
| 00:21.00 | natsukao | will be a pleasure to have an powerc ibook G4 with GNU/linux and Darwin |
| 00:21.14 | vacuous | same problem damaxus |
| 00:21.20 | reuf | i want to learn how to make bash scripts such as moving directories around, finding files with patterns and compying them to some endpoint directory - where can i look for this? |
| 00:21.39 | natsukao | so i can work on Forex market and to the same time on GNU/linux :-) |
| 00:22.49 | natsukao | unfortunately, there are not softwares for Forex thinked for GNU/linux |
| 00:23.11 | vacuous | maybe it's in a config file somewhere? |
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| 00:23.36 | natsukao | there are not restricted packages, as there ar not free packages 100% Free Software GPL'd |
| 00:24.37 | natsukao | i hope that in the future someone is disposed to work on the Forex market, and to develop similar softwares |
| 00:24.51 | natsukao | will be the fortune on GNU/linux |
| 00:25.32 | natsukao | actually are available for windows, and few for mac os x, it's developing a market for Android and Ios |
| 00:26.17 | damaxus | vacuous: reboot? |
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| 00:26.21 | vacuous | tried |
| 00:26.27 | damaxus | confirm modules are loaded? and that workstation indicates tools installed? |
| 00:26.34 | vacuous | I'd prefer to just install from the original vm tools, but it's not mounting to cd |
| 00:26.43 | vacuous | maybe I can download them somewhere, and how would I check that? |
| 00:26.55 | vacuous | workstation won't go into unity, it says tools aren't installed |
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| 00:28.28 | natsukao | licenses for windows are very expensive, and actually i can't install KVM or or XEN for a laptop, or to buy a new one, i got a Sun Microsystems Sabre III 64 bit UltraSparc |
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| 00:29.28 | natsukao | a laptop with GNU/linux gNewSense, a Tower with GNU/linux Ubuntu and in assistance a Toshiba and an Apple Macintosh that will be mine |
| 00:30.27 | natsukao | the Apple Macintosh is arrived as donation, the Toshiba it's in assistance, the Tower is mine, the Ultrasparc is mine |
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| 00:32.13 | natsukao | i choosed GNU/linux Debian, for the fact that has much support, could be a good choice GNU/linux gNewSense, but actually it's only for i386 |
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| 00:33.02 | Maxoul | Hi, quick question: is it possible to set debian to switch to an static ip if dhcp requests timeouts ? |
| 00:33.08 | Maxoul | instead of APIPA mode |
| 00:33.44 | Maxoul | (or set in static an IP in the APIPA range, will be nice too) |
| 00:35.57 | phix | You can if you are using network manager |
| 00:36.14 | phix | but I am guessing this is a GUIless server? |
| 00:36.21 | Maxoul | it is |
| 00:36.27 | natsukao | i installed on an imac in the past GNU/linux Ubuntu which was to the first release, in 2004 |
| 00:36.31 | Maxoul | a RaspberryPI to be precise |
| 00:36.46 | phix | bastard! I am still waiting on mine |
| 00:36.50 | Maxoul | ^^ |
| 00:37.10 | natsukao | i think that will not be so different, for the simple fact that GNU/linux Debina uses LVM |
| 00:37.13 | Maxoul | i don't see anything about that in the conf files or documentation |
| 00:37.29 | natsukao | whois the bastard ? |
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| 00:37.42 | vacuous | damaxus, I'm trying something here that seems to work so far |
| 00:37.47 | vacuous | http://askubuntu.com/questions/131351/how-to-install-vmware-tools |
| 00:37.53 | vacuous | hopefully it'll go okay |
| 00:37.54 | phix | natsukao: Maxoul is for getting a RaspberryPI before me |
| 00:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Maxoul: you use a lease declaration in the dhclient.conf configuration file |
| 00:38.48 | dondelelcaro | Maxoul: man dhclient.conf for details |
| 00:38.55 | phix | or that too |
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| 00:39.04 | Maxoul | thanks i check that |
| 00:39.08 | natsukao | i received in donation an hp ipaq series 1930, more precisely 1930, but with a problem: it remains in poweroff |
| 00:39.09 | phix | or you can make a custom script for ifupdown |
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| 00:39.45 | natsukao | battery seems dead, but that is not the problem, i don't know how to solve it |
| 00:39.51 | cafuego | Hmmm, pi.... |
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| 00:40.26 | natsukao | what is RaspberryPI ? |
| 00:40.38 | cafuego | A cheap tiny computer |
| 00:41.06 | natsukao | but what is ? |
| 00:41.18 | vacuous | it's a computer |
| 00:41.32 | cafuego | and when I say "computer" i mean a circuit board with a cpu, some ram, a gfx chip and a bunch of connectors. |
| 00:41.46 | vacuous | it's basically a mobile phone |
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| 00:43.09 | natsukao | don't like me RaspberryPI |
| 00:43.37 | cafuego | I do |
| 00:43.46 | cafuego | excellent mediacenter box |
| 00:43.47 | natsukao | i prefeer FreeRunner mobile phone |
| 00:44.21 | cafuego | natsukao: it's not a phone, it's phone-like hardware that you use as embedded (or desktop, or server) |
| 00:44.29 | natsukao | or Samsung availables in the Replicant project http://replicant.us |
| 00:45.21 | vacuous | but it's a bit crap as a media centre |
| 00:45.27 | cafuego | Is it? |
| 00:45.33 | natsukao | i am waiting the suport for Samsung Galaxy III |
| 00:45.42 | vacuous | yeah, I've read it has crackly audio, doesn't play nice with some files etc |
| 00:46.03 | vacuous | it sounds cool in theory but it has low specs |
| 00:46.13 | natsukao | there is not yet support for Samsung Galaxy S III |
| 00:46.21 | cafuego | vacuous: It has trouble with 1080p MKV files, but aprt from that it's completelt plug & play and works fine. |
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| 00:46.26 | natsukao | and i think never will be in the future |
| 00:47.08 | natsukao | i think the project continue to develop on Galaxy S II and the ones just worked in the past |
| 00:47.30 | cafuego | vacuous: I've read reports of crackly audio, but that appears to have been due to the software and appears to not happen on the current version. |
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| 00:48.03 | natsukao | there is too the channel #replicant on irc.freenode.net |
| 00:48.20 | rainfyre | natsukao: may I ask what you are talking about? |
| 00:48.26 | rainfyre | natsukao: Debian on ARM devices? |
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| 00:49.49 | natsukao | i hope to see Debian on hp ipaq 1940 and hp ipaq 1950 Samsung ARM |
| 00:50.03 | natsukao | but your distribution it's very big |
| 00:50.35 | natsukao | that is hardware with a maximum of 48 MB of RAM or 64 MB of RAM |
| 00:50.39 | rainfyre | natsukao: I'm running debian on 2 arm devices at the moment |
| 00:50.44 | rainfyre | natsukao: ahh |
| 00:50.54 | natsukao | which arm ? |
| 00:51.15 | rainfyre | natsukao: Linux localhost 2.6.35.7-g83f1a47 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 6 20:17:17 CST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 00:51.28 | rainfyre | natsukao: android phones :) |
| 00:51.53 | natsukao | on Android phones, ok, i can understan, but i am speaking of PDA's |
| 00:52.47 | natsukao | on which android phones ? |
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| 00:53.03 | rainfyre | natsukao: I see, yeah, those are much smaller. I'm trying to run with a minimal memory footprint, but nothing like you're doing |
| 00:53.10 | rainfyre | natsukao: Droid X and Droid Bionic |
| 00:53.11 | natsukao | it's interesting to know, because Replicant developers are doing a big job |
| 00:53.20 | Darxus | Why doesn't ctrl-alt-t launch a terminal in gnome classic in debian wheezy? |
| 00:54.13 | natsukao | are Droid X and Droid Bionic mobile phones ? |
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| 00:54.33 | rainfyre | natsukao: yes |
| 00:54.41 | natsukao | never known |
| 00:54.52 | jagginess | Darxus, maybe its ctl-shft-t |
| 00:55.06 | rainfyre | natsukao: I'm logged into freenode with irssi, and in a different window I'm compiling Nmap. All on my phone. |
| 00:55.37 | rainfyre | natsukao: it's amazing how much computing power they pack into cell phones these days |
| 00:56.05 | rainfyre | natsukao: there is the #debian-arm channel on irc.debian.org |
| 00:56.26 | Darxus | jagginess: That opens another tab in the gnome-terminal window I have open already, I want another terminal window. And I'm used to ctrl-alt-t doing that for a very long time. Although it looks like ubuntu has a similar bug open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1040081 |
| 00:56.59 | natsukao | are you running Debin og Droid X and Droif Bionic, or you are removing any single parts of restricted firmwares, and source code of mobile phone ? |
| 00:57.29 | natsukao | have worked to a new management of audio, Lcd, keyboard, .... |
| 00:57.53 | jagginess | Darxus, |
| 00:58.25 | rainfyre | natsukao: I'm running Debian in a chroot alongside Android. Everything on the phone part of both phones functions totally normally |
| 00:58.33 | natsukao | rainfyre are you there on irc.debian.org #debian-arm ? |
| 00:58.38 | rainfyre | natsukao: yes |
| 00:59.19 | natsukao | so you working with Android and with Debian on the same mobile phone, remove Android |
| 00:59.39 | natsukao | and give your own contribute to Replicant |
| 00:59.44 | rainfyre | natsukao: Android is still there, if I removed it Debian would work much faster |
| 00:59.50 | jagginess | Darxus, the shortcut is shift-ctl-t |
| 01:00.06 | rainfyre | natsukao: none of this is my work, it's very well documented on the internet and very easy to do |
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| 01:00.24 | jagginess | Darxus, the shortcut is shift-ctl-n for new window. they both work here |
| 01:00.24 | Darxus | jagginess: That doesn't do what I want. |
| 01:00.58 | Darxus | jagginess: shift-ctrl-n doesn't open a new window when gnome-terminal isn't the active window. |
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| 01:01.36 | jagginess | Darxus, well um.. you must be using unity (you did mention ubuntu).. i have no idea how non-debian desktops work |
| 01:01.47 | Darxus | jagginess: I want the exact same behavior as running gnome-terminal again. |
| 01:01.50 | Darxus | I'm using debian. |
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| 01:02.44 | jagginess | Darxus, you can try to have "gnome terminal" have a "Top" stack app priority.. sort of like "top" window.. you'll have to google for that |
| 01:04.00 | jagginess | or bind a global desktop shortcut to a command in your gnome control center |
| 01:05.04 | Darxus | jagginess: I tried that... and I mis-typed gnome-terminal :) |
| 01:05.12 | Darxus | But it seems very weird to me that this isn't default. |
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| 01:05.42 | jagginess | ask a real man's question.. i'm not a clickhead who likes to click alot |
| 01:05.48 | jagginess | -_- |
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| 01:07.36 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:07.43 | lenswipe | so im trying to run boot2gecko |
| 01:07.43 | vacuous | damaxus, I got the file sharing to work at least |
| 01:07.50 | vacuous | but I need the linux headers |
| 01:07.50 | lenswipe | apparently i have a mismatched version of GTK |
| 01:07.54 | lenswipe | what should i do about it? |
| 01:07.56 | vacuous | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-server build-essential |
| 01:07.58 | vacuous | that doesn't work |
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| 01:08.40 | marmar | woops |
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| 01:10.19 | BW^- | on Debian Squeeze, how do I install the newer experimental package of binutils? |
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| 01:10.45 | BW^- | only this package. there's a sigsegv bug in the current version (collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]) so i just want to get around it now, people say just using the experimental version solves it. |
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| 01:11.49 | damaxus | linux-headers-server sounds like an ubuntu thing |
| 01:12.21 | damaxus | vacuous: apt-get install linux-header-$(uname -r) |
| 01:12.25 | damaxus | er |
| 01:12.29 | damaxus | headers |
| 01:13.16 | damaxus | not sure how you dont already have them installed though, since I thought modules-assistant would've added them or not worked without them in the first plac |
| 01:13.18 | damaxus | ee |
| 01:14.01 | vacuous | I didn't do modules assistant |
| 01:14.09 | vacuous | I reverted snapshot or whatever |
| 01:14.25 | vacuous | and thanks I'll try that in a moment |
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| 01:15.06 | damaxus | heh |
| 01:15.08 | damaxus | k |
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| 01:16.34 | BW^- | ? |
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| 01:17.31 | vacuous | no idea why copy and paste still isn't working lol. filesharing is though and that's the main thing |
| 01:17.40 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 01:17.56 | BW^- | so.. there's this package http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.22-7.1.dsc and i want to install it..hm |
| 01:18.03 | BW^- | lenswipe: probably. what's your issue? |
| 01:18.11 | lenswipe | so im trying to run boot2gecko |
| 01:18.14 | lenswipe | apparently i have a mismatched version of GTK |
| 01:18.19 | lenswipe | what should i do about it? |
| 01:18.43 | lenswipe | the mismatched version of GTK was diagnosed by fabrice in #b2g on irc.mozilla.org |
| 01:18.48 | lenswipe | lemme grab the exact error |
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| 01:19.41 | lenswipe | BW^-, http://pastebin.com/ag0hWSCX |
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| 01:20.49 | BW^- | lenswipe: oh sorry this is outside of my knowledge. hm. |
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| 01:21.03 | BW^- | lenswipe: do you believe just installing the right gtk version in parallell with your current one would help? |
| 01:21.16 | lenswipe | well possibly |
| 01:21.17 | BW^- | lenswipe: perhaps look at the actual name of linked to gtk files in that app? |
| 01:21.23 | lenswipe | but i dont know what "the right gtk" version is |
| 01:21.24 | rainfyre | BW^-: why can't you install that package? |
| 01:21.30 | BW^- | or, perhaps you can just recompile your app for your current compiter and it will magically work? |
| 01:21.40 | BW^- | rainfyre: im currently compiling and installing from source .. |
| 01:21.44 | BW^- | rainfyre: do you see any easier way? |
| 01:21.47 | rainfyre | BW^-: gotcha |
| 01:22.00 | BW^- | rainfyre: (re binutils experimental) |
| 01:22.13 | rainfyre | BW^-: ahh, didn't see that it's experimental |
| 01:22.29 | BW^- | rainfyre: well just sth newer. 2.22 is in weeze that's good |
| 01:22.42 | Beastie | Hey anybody is there any damn way I can this display on this G3 blue and white actually to WORK? |
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| 01:23.12 | Beastie | I mean is it possible or what? |
| 01:23.18 | rainfyre | Beastie: you might ask in #debian-ppc |
| 01:23.45 | Beastie | I'm trying |
| 01:24.13 | Beastie | thanks ;-) |
| 01:24.23 | rainfyre | Beastie: there are usually only a couple people in there but they're ppc freaks :) |
| 01:24.40 | rainfyre | Beastie: and I'm pretty sure it's possible |
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| 01:26.11 | rainfyre | BW^-: if you can get the libs and the deps, I'd go with compiling from source :p |
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| 01:28.00 | Beastie | I found something now |
| 01:28.03 | BW^- | rainfyre: yep got that: ) super |
| 01:28.06 | Beastie | I've been digging and digging and digging |
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| 01:28.39 | BW^- | yey just compiling and installing that new binutils made it work =) great. "collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]" as experienced on the squeeze-bundled binutils was pretty creepy. |
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| 01:33.23 | vacuous | damaxus, lol found the problem |
| 01:33.28 | vacuous | vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 |
| 01:33.31 | vacuous | need to run that |
| 01:33.53 | damaxus | that's a new one |
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| 01:35.21 | vacuous | lol I know, what a hassle that was |
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| 01:35.34 | vacuous | so I think it all installed from the cd okay, I just needed to exec that |
| 01:35.44 | vacuous | I've put it in /etc/gdm/Init/Default |
| 01:36.13 | vacuous | aw it doesn't like that :( do you know a way to make it auto exec? |
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| 01:45.11 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:45.16 | kriebz | make what auto exec? |
| 01:45.17 | lenswipe | anyone know anything about GTK3 on debian? |
| 01:45.41 | NiLon | is that what you wanna know? |
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| 01:49.38 | lenswipe | so how do i install gtk3 on debian? |
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| 01:52.17 | vacuous | kriebz, that command I want to run. I'm not sure where this xinitrc file is with "awesome" but anyway the command is vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 |
| 01:52.21 | lenswipe | so how do i install gtk3 on debian? |
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| 01:52.27 | tanderson11 | Hi everyone. I am trying to install some drivers for my wireless card. When I run the make command, I get the following error: "/lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/build: No such file or directory". Can anyone explain how I can fix this? Thanks |
| 01:53.04 | kriebz | vacuous, your personal xinitrc is always ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:53.14 | vacuous | oh thanks |
| 01:53.25 | vacuous | personal, as in user? |
| 01:53.50 | vacuous | I don't seem to have such a file |
| 01:54.01 | kriebz | then just make it |
| 01:54.02 | babilen | dpkg: .xinitrc |
| 01:54.03 | dpkg | The optional customisation script ~/.xinitrc is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1). |
| 01:54.03 | tanderson11 | You can create it if you don't have it. |
| 01:54.38 | kriebz | oh, I did not know that |
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| 01:55.01 | kriebz | it takes me explaining something badly to wake up the people who know the right answer |
| 01:55.03 | vacuous | oh |
| 01:55.11 | vacuous | thanks |
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| 01:57.04 | vacuous | that command isn't working in xsession or xinitrc |
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| 02:04.58 | darsie | How do I (temporarily) make the shell select hidden files with *? |
| 02:05.08 | darsie | as in rm -rf * |
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| 02:06.43 | damaxus | try shopt -s dotglob |
| 02:07.09 | damaxus | and shopt -u dotglob to turn back off |
| 02:07.16 | darsie | thx |
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| 02:07.26 | damaxus | np |
| 02:08.02 | darsie | ahh, free disk space :)) |
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| 02:09.12 | damaxus | good stuff |
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| 02:09.48 | vacuous | how would I get vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 to run on startup? |
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| 02:11.43 | darsie | is it potentially harmful to leave dotglob set? Thinking of compile/install/etc. scripts ... |
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| 02:12.36 | darsie | Other than matching hidden files myself. |
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| 02:13.35 | jagginess | darsie, huh |
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| 02:13.42 | jagginess | darsie, #linux |
| 02:13.48 | darsie | ok |
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| 02:14.01 | jagginess | is on #linux |
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| 02:14.24 | jagginess | (i'm always on there), it just creates clutter for people asking new user linux |
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| 02:16.56 | damaxus | darsie: dunno, i'd probably leave it off since that's a prevailing default, but I'd hope it'd be safe in most cases. |
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| 02:17.56 | tanderson11 | I currently have 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 as my kernel, but bpo.2 headers are no longer available (afaik), when I ran "apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64" it worked smoothly, but when I reboot, bpo.3 is not available to boot into. Does anyone know why?: |
| 02:18.00 | vacuous | it's a pain having to type in that long command |
| 02:18.01 | vacuous | :( |
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| 02:19.32 | damaxus | vacuous: when you set up your .xsession did you specify the full path? |
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| 02:21.28 | vacuous | did it with nano etc ~/.xsession |
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| 02:21.44 | vacuous | I've just put the command below xrandr in my init default, and it seems to work |
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| 02:22.55 | vacuous | nevermind, it doesn't lol |
| 02:23.12 | krababbel | I am using pppoe to login to my isp over my modem. Why can I do it without the pppoe driver package? I installed pppoeconf and it installed automatically 'ppp' but not 'pppoe'. |
| 02:23.37 | krababbel | I does work, but I thought I'd need 'pppoe' too? |
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| 02:30.05 | vacuous | damaxus any ideas? I'm using awesome wm, dunno if that makes a dif |
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| 02:34.24 | jaggz | How do I get a php database driver installed? this software (mediawiki) is saying "Could not find a suitable database driver! You need to install a database driver for PHP." |
| 02:34.37 | damaxus | pastebin your .xsession |
| 02:34.38 | jaggz | they allow mysql, postgresql, sqlite, etc.. |
| 02:35.00 | jaggz | but I don't see a package named php.*psql (nor ...postgresql) |
| 02:35.30 | vacuous | damaxus what xsesssion? |
| 02:35.32 | vacuous | awesome doesn't use one |
| 02:35.43 | vacuous | except the one in x11 |
| 02:35.46 | damaxus | so whered you put the command |
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| 02:36.00 | vacuous | sudo nano /etc/gdm/Init/Default |
| 02:36.04 | vacuous | in that file |
| 02:36.14 | damaxus | use .xsession |
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| 02:36.27 | vacuous | sudo nano ~/.xsession like that? |
| 02:36.30 | vacuous | because that makes it error |
| 02:36.32 | damaxus | dont use sudo |
| 02:36.47 | damaxus | it should be owned by your account |
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| 02:37.11 | jaggz | got it, maybe.. aptitude search php | grep sql showed pgsql mysql sqlite |
| 02:37.17 | un214 | EXT4 data corruption. Does not affect ext3 right? |
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| 02:37.38 | vacuous | rebooting |
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| 02:38.37 | vacuous | it seems to work but I get an xsession error |
| 02:38.43 | vacuous | should there be something more than just that line? |
| 02:39.09 | damaxus | you can add something like xterm (if you've apt-get installed it, or its already installed) to ensure the file's being used |
| 02:39.22 | damaxus | or put in some other program name and see that the program launches |
| 02:39.34 | damaxus | also in that file you should probably call the file using it's full path |
| 02:39.44 | vacuous | ? |
| 02:39.52 | simonlnu | jaggz: php5-pgsql |
| 02:39.54 | damaxus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.12 | jaggz | hi simon, thanks.. |
| 02:40.17 | simonlnu | un214: fixed in upstream, btw |
| 02:40.17 | simonlnu | hey |
| 02:40.25 | un214 | yes I know fixed upstream |
| 02:41.05 | un214 | I've got a filesystem with a usage pattern that would trigger the bug if ext3 were affected. |
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| 02:41.32 | vacuous | I don't know the full path name damaxus |
| 02:41.46 | vacuous | I don't understand how that command even works lol |
| 02:41.50 | damaxus | type: which command |
| 02:41.56 | vacuous | vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 |
| 02:42.02 | damaxus | which vmware-user |
| 02:42.08 | damaxus | will tell you the path vmware-user is installed in |
| 02:42.24 | vacuous | thanks |
| 02:42.33 | vacuous | so I just put the full path there? |
| 02:42.37 | damaxus | yeah |
| 02:42.43 | z1l0g | can ayone suggest a how-to for setting up networking on a FAUmachine VM? |
| 02:43.01 | jagginess | z1l0g, is that like a famicon machine? |
| 02:43.04 | jagginess | LOL |
| 02:43.07 | jagginess | famicon.. |
| 02:43.48 | z1l0g | http://www3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/Research/FAUmachine/ |
| 02:44.46 | vacuous | it doesn't like that |
| 02:44.47 | z1l0g | can't figure out how to use TAP/TUN to get an outside connection |
| 02:44.55 | vacuous | just having an xsession file, even with nothing in it |
| 02:45.07 | vacuous | it prevents me being able to login |
| 02:46.16 | simonlnu | un214: good luck with that |
| 02:46.21 | jagginess | interesting its like a fork of qemu |
| 02:46.46 | damaxus | vacuous: what is ls -l .xsession show? |
| 02:46.50 | damaxus | er, does |
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| 02:47.41 | vacuous | cannot log into that user, it's nuked |
| 02:47.51 | damaxus | log in on a text console. |
| 02:47.56 | damaxus | control-alt f1 |
| 02:48.13 | lenswipe | so how do i install gtk3 on debian? |
| 02:48.55 | vacuous | it says my name twice |
| 02:48.58 | vacuous | the username |
| 02:49.22 | damaxus | ok |
| 02:49.27 | jaggz | I installed php-apc and php5-xcache but neither appear in php -m .. |
| 02:50.01 | engla | lenswipe: GTK3 is only in wheezy (testing) |
| 02:50.09 | engla | package libgtk-3-0 |
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| 02:50.18 | lenswipe | perfect. |
| 02:50.18 | lenswipe | >: { |
| 02:50.23 | jaggz | their packages do show they create the etc/php5/conf.d/apc.ini (or whatever) file and all the others.. |
| 02:50.25 | lenswipe | when will wheezy be released? |
| 02:50.31 | lenswipe | not any time soon im guessing |
| 02:50.33 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 02:50.34 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 02:50.39 | damaxus | vacuous: cp /etc/X11/Xsession ~/.xsession |
| 02:50.41 | lenswipe | yh |
| 02:50.42 | damaxus | and then edit the .xsession |
| 02:50.44 | lenswipe | wonderful |
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| 02:51.58 | lenswipe | engla, so if a piece of software (B2g) depends on GTK3... |
| 02:52.01 | lenswipe | ....back to ubuntu? |
| 02:52.18 | damaxus | you can run testing |
| 02:52.35 | damaxus | which is equivalent to wheezy beta, i guess you could say |
| 02:52.39 | lenswipe | but i would have to download that |
| 02:52.41 | simonlnu | jaggz: is this squeeze, or later? |
| 02:52.45 | jaggz | squeeze |
| 02:52.56 | lenswipe | and since i already downloaded ubuntu and its more stable (ubuntu 12.10) i may as well just use that |
| 02:52.59 | simonlnu | check in /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 02:53.18 | jaggz | xcache's install docs mention running /etc/init.d/php5-fpm but I can't find that file and debian's package search doesn't list it.. |
| 02:53.27 | vacuous | damaxus, thanks I'm now trying that |
| 02:53.29 | simonlnu | wheezy *is* "beta" |
| 02:53.32 | vacuous | I put the command above exit 0 |
| 02:53.44 | simonlnu | jaggz: php5-fpm isn't in squeeze, only squeeze backports |
| 02:54.13 | jaggz | you know what.. forget the caching.. maybe I can get it in later.. |
| 02:54.48 | simonlnu | ,f /etc/init.d/php5-fpm --release=wheezy |
| 02:55.01 | simonlnu | ,find /etc/init.d/php5-fpm --release=wheezy |
| 02:55.05 | vacuous | damaxus the command seems to work but now there's no taskbar lol |
| 02:55.07 | judd | Search for /etc/init.d/php5-fpm in wheezy/i386: php5-fpm: etc/init.d/php5-fpm |
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| 02:57.30 | engla | lenswipe: possibly. What's B2g? |
| 02:57.47 | lenswipe | boot 2 gecko |
| 02:58.14 | jaggz | doesn't seem to be in squeeze backports.. I added squeeze-backports (backports.debian.org) to my sources, updated, and tried installing it (with -t squeeze-backports too.. is that necessary?) and it still couldn't find it |
| 02:58.22 | jaggz | that search there, is that showing that it's only in wheezy? |
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| 02:59.13 | simonlnu | jaggz: yes |
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| 03:03.43 | vacuous | damaxus it doesn't like an xsession file there |
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| 03:04.03 | vacuous | no matter what I do, awesome wm doesn't play nice with an xsession file |
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| 03:09.41 | un214 | even better way to get rich: ignore the IRC spammers |
| 03:09.52 | simonlnu | no i won't, and not only that, i just added you to my block list |
| 03:09.59 | simonlnu | un214: heh heh |
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| 03:14.25 | jagginess | vacuous, best place is to ask on a mailinglist or that lightwm channel (it's an esoteric subject) |
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| 03:15.21 | jagginess | vacuous, i used awesome/ratpoison years ago.. decided not to stick to these lightwm because firefox would freeze back then, but now there's many alternatives around (google: "List of lightweight window managers linux site:wikipedia.org") |
| 03:15.29 | simonlnu | vacuous: i have awesome playing nicely with .xsession. as long as you put the wm last, it shouldn't matter. then you just have to edit your rc.lua |
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| 03:16.06 | simonlnu | oh, yeh, ff behaves fine with it now. the xclibs addition helped, IIRC |
| 03:16.33 | simonlnu | is in it right now ;p |
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| 03:19.59 | vacuous | put the wm last? |
| 03:21.35 | a111 | is there something that I can cut a string up to where only parts that match a regular expresion are kept? |
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| 03:22.15 | vacuous | simonlnu, not sure I understand |
| 03:22.25 | vacuous | but having .xsession file (even with no text in it) causes things to breka |
| 03:22.27 | vacuous | break |
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| 03:23.05 | drocsid | can somebody help me get my PS/2 keyboard working |
| 03:23.11 | simonlnu | !.xsession |
| 03:23.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 03:23.29 | drocsid | I was trying to use outb function. how do i invoke it? I get command not found from bash |
| 03:23.51 | drocsid | I was following this guide to help get my keyboard working http://gunnarwrobel.de/wiki/Linux-and-the-keyboard.html |
| 03:24.05 | drocsid | I have i8042 chipset |
| 03:24.16 | drocsid | the keyboard works in grub and bios |
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| 03:25.51 | vacuous | simonlnu yeah that still doesn't make it work |
| 03:25.51 | drocsid | i guess outb is a C thingy |
| 03:25.57 | vacuous | that's just a claim that it works |
| 03:26.16 | vacuous | but no one has provided any evidence that what I'm trying to do works |
| 03:26.47 | simonlnu | dunno what the exact issue is, heh |
| 03:27.14 | vacuous | I need this command |
| 03:27.16 | vacuous | vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 |
| 03:27.23 | vacuous | to run on login or boot whatever |
| 03:27.31 | SuperMiguel | if im doing a raid 1 boot, where should i put my boot loader? |
| 03:27.46 | vacuous | I'm thinking of having it in xsession, but if there is an xsession file (a blank file) it nukes the login |
| 03:28.02 | vacuous | just the very presence of an xsession file nukes the login |
| 03:28.25 | jeep | vacuous: in your .bashrc ? |
| 03:28.34 | gnugr | drocsid:try "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and set it up |
| 03:28.42 | vacuous | jeep? |
| 03:29.07 | jeep | !.bashrc |
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| 03:29.29 | vacuous | I do not understand you |
| 03:29.55 | vacuous | what you wrote was not a complete sentence, what are you asking me? why the question mark? |
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| 03:30.45 | jeep | vacuous: when you login open xterm ect. the .bashrc can execute that command for you |
| 03:31.05 | LinuX2half | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.24 | vacuous | oh I see, thanks |
| 03:31.31 | vacuous | do I just paste the command at the bottom of the file? |
| 03:31.40 | LinuX2half | Should I replace [<bool>] with enable or disable? |
| 03:33.49 | LinuX2half | When I read the config details of raedon, it tells me to assign the bold words such as "disable", "off", "leave it unchanged"....etc. So should I input those words into the file? |
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| 03:35.59 | LinuX2half | What should I put for the 'string' data type? |
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| 03:38.37 | krababbel | LinuX2half: that is the name for the mode, you can choose it probably |
| 03:39.10 | LinuX2half | krababbel: like words "enable" or disable" |
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| 03:40.00 | LinuX2half | krababbel: if I decide to put that in, should I replace <str>, leaving it space ahead of the comment? |
| 03:40.02 | krababbel | LinuX2half: actually that is an option, it should be defined in the manual |
| 03:40.23 | jeep | vacuous: in whatever window manager you use you can probably edit the launcher / icon to execute that for you just add it with vmware-user >/dev/null 2>&1 -blockFd 11 && vmware-executable |
| 03:40.30 | krababbel | LinuX2half: the radeon driver manual I mean |
| 03:40.56 | krababbel | LinuX2half: there it should say what string you can use |
| 03:41.10 | LinuX2half | krababbel: yeah, I did check out the manual, there are different characters that it says in bold: AUTO, enable, leave it unchanged...etc. |
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| 03:41.56 | LinuX2half | krababbel: but the file driver options in booleans are "true" or "false, while it didn't say "on or off" as an option stated by the guide. |
| 03:41.59 | vacuous | jeep, I'm new to linux |
| 03:42.01 | drocsid | gnugr: If I want to keep my USB keyboard in case configuration doesn't work, what do I do? |
| 03:42.03 | vacuous | I haven't a clue how to do that |
| 03:42.11 | krababbel | LinuX2half: I guess that means you can use 'auto' as a string for example, depends on the option |
| 03:42.33 | LinuX2half | krababbel: yeah, since it's a character or string of words but what about the boolean? |
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| 03:42.59 | krababbel | LinuX2half: boolean should usually allow on,off enable,disable or 0,1 |
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| 03:43.54 | krababbel | LinuX2half: shouldn't matter, but I haven't setup xorg for ati in a long time. Nowadays you can just let it autoconfigure, just change it if you really have to |
| 03:44.06 | gnugr | drocsid:read a howto for keyboard configuration http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 03:44.47 | jeep | vacuous: what desktop are you using ? |
| 03:45.13 | LinuX2half | krababbel: oh I see. But there's this integer where the manual said leave it unchanged but the integer wasn't set in the file. What integer should I put it in? |
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| 03:45.47 | krababbel | LinuX2half: I don't know, why not leave it alone as suggested? |
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| 03:45.54 | LinuX2half | krababbel: Then I'm little bit confused, if it's able to autoconfigure itself then why was the generated xorg.conf file has not filled up properly? |
| 03:46.15 | LinuX2half | krababbel: Because there's no value there, it says <i>. |
| 03:46.32 | krababbel | LinuX2half: autoconfigure usually means nothing in xorg.conf at all |
| 03:46.58 | krababbel | LinuX2half: also all lines beginning with a '#' are just comments and ignored |
| 03:47.00 | vacuous | awesome wm |
| 03:47.20 | LinuX2half | krababbel: so I should remove the comments for the configuration to take effect? |
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| 03:47.54 | krababbel | LinuX2half: so if you want to change an option you just create the lines necessary. Yes, with the # in front they have no effect. |
| 03:48.07 | LinuX2half | krababbel: Ok. thanks for the tip. |
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| 03:49.21 | krababbel | LinuX2half: I didn't mean the comments themselves, but only the lines containing the actual options: If they have a # as first character in the line, the rest of the line is ignored. |
| 03:49.39 | krababbel | that is what the # is for |
| 03:50.33 | krababbel | everything behind the # in a line is ignored |
| 03:50.49 | un214 | man that's so asking to be trolled |
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| 03:51.20 | LinuX2half | krababbel: ok, so I should just move the line behind it, in front? |
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| 03:52.18 | LinuX2half | krababbel: it isn't necessary to delete the comment but change the positioning? |
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| 03:57.22 | jeep | LinuX2half: good practice is too keep the line as is commented out and then add the same line right below it with your edits |
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| 04:01.15 | LinuX2half | jeep: so you're saying that I should keep the comment line but go down one line for my edits: like so? http://pastebin.com/jAcX6LNR |
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| 04:02.47 | jeep | uh no you need the whole |
| 04:02.50 | jeep | line |
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| 04:04.41 | jeep | LinuX2half: http://pastebin.com/FjyamHyX |
| 04:06.13 | LinuX2half | jeep: ok, so I could just do Option "NoAccel" "enable"? |
| 04:07.13 | jeep | LinuX2half: Option "NoAccel" does enable it you need enable at the end of it |
| 04:07.31 | jeep | LinuX2half: unless you read something saying that ... |
| 04:07.53 | jeep | *dont need |
| 04:08.26 | LinuX2half | jeep: ok, so if you want to disable it then you need to disable it at the end? |
| 04:08.51 | jeep | no justy add the comment # back at beginning of the line |
| 04:09.31 | jeep | Option blah blah#-> everything here is skipped |
| 04:10.08 | jeep | # everything on this line is skipped |
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| 04:10.23 | LinuX2half | jeep: so if I want to change an integer then I should add the number at the end? |
| 04:10.48 | jeep | Option "NoAccel" 1 |
| 04:10.52 | jeep | like that |
| 04:12.19 | LinuX2half | Just for disabling it would be: Option "NoAccel" #? |
| 04:12.47 | jeep | that would disable the question mark |
| 04:14.04 | LinuX2half | Option "NoAccel" # "NoAccel"? |
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| 04:19.58 | jeep | LinuX2half: everything here is read # everything here is ignored <--see left / right side of # changes its result;) |
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| 04:23.40 | LinuX2half | jeep: ok, so you're saying I should put Option #"NoAccel", does it still read that it'll ignore NoAccel? |
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| 04:27.06 | LinuX2half | Maybe it should be Option "NoAccel" #"NoAccel" |
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| 04:29.14 | LinuX2half | jeep: Thanks for the tip. I need to go. |
| 04:29.14 | jeep | LinuX2half: used#ignored |
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| 04:33.37 | iluminator105 | how do you run two webcams on the same pc? |
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| 04:34.32 | atula | I want to be able to read logs as a normal user, do I add myself to the adm group? |
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| 04:38.02 | zro | if I want php to be able to send mail, do i want to install sendmail or exim ? |
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| 04:40.49 | jmarsden | zro: Install whichever one you already know how to set up and use. PHP can use either. |
| 04:41.23 | vacuous | fatal server error server is already active for display 0 |
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| 04:45.39 | _genuser_ | hello people. |
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| 05:16.07 | mmnicolas | iluminator105: you just plug them and they work, usually |
| 05:16.30 | iluminator105 | negative try it |
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| 05:18.07 | mmnicolas | works here on debian 6, I can switch webcams with cheese and they both work |
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| 05:18.30 | vacuous | finally I did it |
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| 05:18.58 | vacuous | damaxus, just in case you're interested, I had to add awful.util.spawn_with_shell("/usr/bin/vmware-user") to the bottom of rc.lua |
| 05:19.10 | vacuous | and also, gdm was causing xinit to go crazy |
| 05:20.23 | iluminator105 | mmnicolas, two webcams records at the same time to the same pc? |
| 05:20.35 | mmnicolas | that is a different question |
| 05:21.05 | mmnicolas | iluminator105: see `motion` |
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| 05:21.45 | mmnicolas | *man motion |
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| 05:27.14 | gnarface | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/10/24/1848203/ext4-data-corruption-bug-hits-linux-kernel |
| 05:27.19 | gnarface | ext4 is the new reiserfs |
| 05:27.26 | gnarface | only it actually lives up to the negative hype |
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| 05:27.58 | gnarface | nobody will have to die to ruin its reputation; its doing fine all on its own |
| 05:28.05 | mmnicolas | noo!!!! |
| 05:28.17 | mmnicolas | the chosen one!! |
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| 05:29.04 | gnarface | mmnicolas: (for those of you keeping score now, ext4 gaping pants-shitting data loss bugs that were post-beta, post-stable release? 2. reiserfs: 0 - they were all actually dead harddrives misdiagnosed) |
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| 05:31.40 | gnarface | knows anyone who designs a file system with a minimum block size twice the physical block size of all hardware slipped off their rocker long ago |
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| 05:32.40 | mmnicolas | so what's best ? |
| 05:32.46 | gnarface | fuck if i know |
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| 05:33.35 | mmnicolas | either way, I find a lot of comfort knowing whatever I choose, it'll still be better than ntfs or hfs+ |
| 05:33.43 | gnarface | but ext4 is the *only* non-distributed filesystem with a minimum block size above half a kilobyte |
| 05:34.07 | gnarface | *almost* 100% of all physical devices have fixed block sizes of half a kilobyte |
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| 05:34.41 | gnarface | i don't quite get that but i'm assuming its something like how ID software's games always run like crap on release day because they target next year's graphical hardware at the engine level |
| 05:35.34 | mmnicolas | isn't the typical block size 4k now ? |
| 05:35.49 | gnarface | mmnicolas: for network connections, not filesystem units |
| 05:36.23 | gnarface | network connections and distributed filesystems have typically much larger block sizes because that works with higher latency better |
| 05:36.24 | mmnicolas | i mean the physical blocks |
| 05:36.58 | gnarface | maybe you're thinking of raid stripe sizes? |
| 05:37.07 | gnarface | they're often in the range of 4-64KB |
| 05:38.02 | gnarface | heh, i think hdfs uses like 500MB blocks or something like that |
| 05:38.03 | mmnicolas | physical sector size we're talking about |
| 05:38.26 | mmnicolas | the whole hard-drive industry moved from 512b to 4k |
| 05:40.25 | gnarface | mmnicolas: eh, i'm not sure so much about "whole industry" as much as a few 1TB WD drives but the fact of the matter is you'll still not see many of these drives in the wild unless its new drives day |
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| 05:41.22 | gnarface | mmnicolas: and keep in mind the explosion of flash storage |
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| 05:42.23 | gnarface | happy i neither upgraded all my systems to ext4 nor reboot the ones i did often? hell yes |
| 05:43.07 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i think everyone is waiting for btfs to save us but the plan originally was for it to be finished years ago. ext4 beating it to market sort of hosed us all |
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| 05:47.04 | mmnicolas | it's not that bad.. it'll will be fixed soon enough, theses kind of bugs will never reach stable |
| 05:47.26 | mmnicolas | you could be using ntfs on and windows machine if you didn't knew better |
| 05:47.51 | gnarface | yes, yes that's true |
| 05:47.54 | mmnicolas | theses people have issues |
| 05:48.11 | gnarface | and then when there's data loss you just say "shit happens" because it was all garbage anyway |
| 05:48.16 | mmnicolas | and they aren't even bothered by that like you are |
| 05:48.26 | MIAGD | not much, chilling out at home |
| 05:48.38 | gnarface | but i don't know why |
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| 05:49.59 | gnarface | nonetheless i suspect that all the accounts of reiserfs doing this same thing any year later than 2001 are actually accounts of "didn't read the reiserfsprogs repair procedure documentation, prematurely nuked disk in error" |
| 05:50.24 | gnarface | then everyone blames it on reiser's dead wief |
| 05:50.31 | gnarface | cause oh yea tha'ts fucking logical |
| 05:50.31 | mmnicolas | that's horrible |
| 05:50.41 | MIAGD | sorry about that, my term is super laggy thanks to at&t |
| 05:51.26 | gnarface | oh well |
| 05:51.32 | gnarface | anyone good with bluetooth and dund? |
| 05:51.35 | mmnicolas | MIAGD: laggy beyond readability, I don't even recall you ever spoken |
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| 05:52.02 | gnarface | i got a reverse-DUN set up on an old squeeze laptop successfully but sid still broken for me |
| 05:52.06 | mmnicolas | we we're on #d this whole time ?! I feel bad |
| 05:52.08 | MIAGD | yeah, it took me several minutes to apologize for my mistake |
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| 06:02.19 | Knack | hi |
| 06:02.30 | Knack | how do i remove a write-protected directory |
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| 06:02.39 | Knack | if any of you care to help |
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| 06:02.56 | Lewis__ | hi |
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| 06:03.13 | Lewis__ | chattr -i directory |
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| 06:08.21 | Question | Where does Firefox/Linux store it's spelling dictionary of words you manually through editor corrections such as on facebook/gmail...? It's different than what some other programs use on GNOME/Debian, such as Pidgin at ~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic |
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| 06:08.57 | gnarface | Question: probably ~/.mozilla |
| 06:09.14 | gnarface | Knack: probably just do it as root. that didn't work? |
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| 06:25.57 | mmnicolas | Question: nice nickname |
| 06:26.03 | Question | ;) |
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| 06:29.13 | Question | Did anyone else notice that spellcheck on Iceweasel at facebook doesn't work ? |
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| 06:30.05 | frdmn | if i try to install anything via aptitude i get the following insserv erros: http://hastebin.com/hugepofugu.vhdl |
| 06:30.21 | frdmn | can someone help? |
| 06:31.19 | gnarface | Question: spell check has been broken in iceweasel for me in unstable for a while. are you on sid or wheezy too? |
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| 06:32.01 | Question | gnarface: backported iceweasel on squeeze |
| 06:32.14 | Question | frdmn: i'm guessing you're on testing/unstable? |
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| 06:32.29 | gnarface | Question: yea, unstable, so probably the same issue i've got then. its not affecting any other gtk2 programs though so i don't get it |
| 06:32.31 | Question | gnarface: it's weird though, it works fine an gmail... but not facebook @.@ |
| 06:32.45 | frdmn | let me check my sources |
| 06:32.46 | Question | through the same iceweasel instance |
| 06:32.47 | gnarface | Question: really? i didn't see it working ... anywhere that i remember |
| 06:32.56 | Question | check gmail? |
| 06:33.21 | mmnicolas | I use the esr from mozilla.debian.net, when I checked if the spellcheck worked, iceweasel crashed ;) |
| 06:33.24 | gnarface | Question: but its weird because all my other gtk2 programs work fine. this one and pidgin my spell checker works fine inline, real time. same dictionary and spell check feature in the toolkit, i thought... |
| 06:33.48 | frdmn | Question: squeeze main |
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| 06:34.26 | gnarface | Question: interestingly enough the main text box for composition of email *Does* work in gmail for me.... |
| 06:34.40 | Question | frdmn: paste your /etc/rc.local |
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| 06:35.28 | Question | frdmn: also, why are you issuing that command?: `update-rc.d rc.local defaults` # ... That's not aptitude? @.@ |
| 06:35.34 | gnarface | Question: but not slashdot text boxes. definitely weird though that gmail works. that's new evidence! |
| 06:35.49 | frdmn | Question:http://hastebin.com/pomabumage.vala |
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| 06:35.53 | Question | gnarface: check http://bpaste.net/ {works for me} |
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| 06:36.39 | Question | frdmn: `update-rc.d rc.local defaults` # ? |
| 06:36.39 | frdmn | Question: on update-rc.d: http://hastebin.com/jedayipati.vhdl |
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| 06:36.59 | Question | frdmn: I saw this already. *Why* are you issuing update-rc.d ? |
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| 06:37.11 | Question | You said that your issue was with *aptitude* |
| 06:37.13 | Question | ??? |
| 06:37.26 | frdmn | i just want to install a new package with aptitude |
| 06:37.34 | frdmn | and getting spammed with this message |
| 06:37.42 | Question | you're not making sense |
| 06:37.46 | Question | that command is not aptitude |
| 06:37.52 | frdmn | o_O |
| 06:37.54 | Question | "root@www:/etc# update-rc.d rc.local defaults" |
| 06:37.58 | Question | first line of your paste |
| 06:37.59 | frdmn | yes? |
| 06:38.01 | frdmn | and? |
| 06:38.03 | Question | do you see "aptitude" anywhere in there? |
| 06:38.19 | Question | ... |
| 06:38.19 | frdmn | oh |
| 06:38.21 | frdmn | wrong paste |
| 06:38.25 | Question | Dafuq. |
| 06:38.31 | frdmn | sorry u_u |
| 06:38.34 | Question | <_< |
| 06:39.06 | frdmn | on a aptitude command: http://hastebin.com/cihohanuve.vhdl |
| 06:39.38 | Question | > mfw Line 7 |
| 06:39.53 | Question | you don't have sudo installed ? |
| 06:40.07 | frdmn | nope obviously not |
| 06:40.16 | jagginess | hastebin.com never heard of that site! |
| 06:40.18 | Question | and you're getting insserv junk? ... your system obviously seriously broke at some point for some reason |
| 06:40.31 | frdmn | srsly?! |
| 06:40.40 | frdmn | i might remeber tried to install sudo some days ago |
| 06:40.41 | Question | frdmn: suggestion: manually install sudo with dpkg then try aptitude again.. |
| 06:40.48 | Question | or, actually |
| 06:40.55 | Question | skip that |
| 06:41.06 | Question | do this: `su -` |
| 06:41.19 | Question | (type root password and hit enter) |
| 06:41.29 | Question | *then* try `aptitude install pisg` |
| 06:41.31 | frdmn | works like a charm |
| 06:41.34 | frdmn | i did |
| 06:41.35 | Question | and say whether it still tries to install sudo ? |
| 06:41.40 | frdmn | thats how i get the error above |
| 06:41.41 | Question | it all works, no errors? |
| 06:41.43 | frdmn | installed as root |
| 06:41.51 | Question | all of my wat |
| 06:42.00 | Question | Ohhh, okay |
| 06:42.02 | Question | i see, hmm |
| 06:42.05 | Question | well |
| 06:42.06 | Question | hmm |
| 06:42.10 | frdmn | also: the sudo binary exist |
| 06:42.17 | Question | okay, so.. |
| 06:42.22 | Question | exit out of su |
| 06:42.29 | frdmn | okay |
| 06:42.35 | Question | then `sudo aptitude install pisg` |
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| 06:42.42 | Question | > results |
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| 06:43.25 | frdmn | http://hastebin.com/malajupiho.pas |
| 06:43.33 | frdmn | sudo passwort? |
| 06:43.52 | Question | sudo password == root password |
| 06:44.09 | frdmn | didnt worked, he want the passwort of the "minecraft" user |
| 06:44.12 | frdmn | then: "minecraft is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported" |
| 06:44.18 | Question | oh, right |
| 06:44.29 | Question | okay |
| 06:44.31 | Question | `su -` |
| 06:44.40 | Question | `nano /etc/sudoers` |
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| 06:45.00 | Question | and add: |
| 06:45.00 | Question | minecraft ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 06:45.05 | Question | then Ctrl+X |
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| 06:45.12 | Question | Y |
| 06:45.12 | Question | Enter |
| 06:45.18 | Question | `sudo aptitude install pisg` |
| 06:46.18 | frdmn | same errors: http://hastebin.com/kibajifovo.vhdl |
| 06:46.20 | jagginess | ok i need second opinion here, what's a standard here for adding users as sudoers? (I've been using useradd <username> sudo) |
| 06:46.44 | jagginess | (wheezy testing) |
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| 06:47.39 | Question | jagginess: just do what i suggested to frdmn right above |
| 06:47.58 | Question | unless your `useradd` method works, *shrug* |
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| 06:49.19 | Question | frdmn: i suggest you try to purge and manually reinstall sudo |
| 06:49.26 | Question | try `aptitude purge sudo` |
| 06:49.28 | mmnicolas | adding the user to group sudo is the default |
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| 06:50.07 | jmarsden | jagginess: useradd someuser ; usermod -a -G sudo username # would be more conventional, I think? |
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| 06:50.27 | jmarsden | ... make that useradd someuser ; usermod -a -G sudo someuser |
| 06:50.47 | jagginess | I wouldn't say if it works it's all ok.. I believe i'm giving too much priviledge, A nice guide a debian purist howto would do i guess.. (Yes it does work, but i believe its too much priviledge) |
| 06:50.52 | Question | jmarsden: more convenient than `useradd someuser sudo` # ? Don't think so :) |
| 06:51.19 | frdmn | purge: http://hastebin.com/cubiyabura.vhdl |
| 06:51.20 | Question | jagginess: so, then you need to elaborate on what you want allowed |
| 06:51.20 | frdmn | install: http://hastebin.com/yolugepibu.vhdl |
| 06:51.22 | jagginess | it's too much privilege afaik :/ |
| 06:51.51 | jagginess | Question, just asking for a purists' rtfm.. can't seem to find one (don't worry i'm asking someone) |
| 06:51.53 | Question | frdmn: does `apt-get` yield same results? |
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| 06:52.43 | jmarsden | Question: Not more convenient, more conventional. AFAIk the useradd man page does not document the addition of a group after the username being added... so the normal, conventional approach is to first add the user, then modify the user to be in group sudo. |
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| 06:53.18 | Question | adduser --ingroup sudo user |
| 06:53.21 | frdmn | remove and install via apt-get: http://hastebin.com/humisunubo.vhdl |
| 06:54.10 | Question | `dpkg-reconfigure sudo` # ? |
| 06:55.49 | frdmn | "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: sudo is broken or not fully installed" |
| 06:56.05 | Question | aptitude -f install |
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| 06:57.04 | Knaldgas | kern.log has spurioius reports of "CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled", and then 1/100 sec. later it reports: "CPU0: Temperature/speed normal". What's going on? |
| 06:57.09 | Knaldgas | I've checked all kernel logs I have, and every single incident of "above threshold" is immediately followed by "normal", and incidents are approx 1 day apart... |
| 06:57.23 | Knaldgas | Anything I should be concerned about? |
| 06:57.29 | frdmn | oh noes... a lot of conflicts: http://hastebin.com/muhimalapa.vhdl |
| 06:57.43 | Question | Knaldgas: at what frequency? |
| 06:57.57 | Question | once per day ? |
| 06:58.04 | Knaldgas | More or less |
| 06:58.12 | Question | frdmn: cancel that |
| 06:58.16 | Question | frdmn: |
| 06:58.16 | Question | apt-get update && apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && dpkg --configure -a && apt-get install -f |
| 06:58.54 | frdmn | http://hastebin.com/mavopodiva.vhdl |
| 06:58.55 | Question | Knaldgas: so maybe your CPU operates at slightly below threshold and occasionally dips above? |
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| 06:59.10 | Knaldgas | But for 1/100 of a second every time? |
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| 07:00.45 | Knaldgas | Question: I could understand if it was a few seconds or minutes, but 1/100 seem a bit strange, and its 1/100 second duration every time (sample freq?) |
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| 07:05.23 | Question | frdmn: did you install any Cisco software? |
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| 07:06.00 | frdmn | no, i dont think so |
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| 07:07.00 | Question | how about vmware/vbox ? |
| 07:07.05 | frdmn | yep |
| 07:07.09 | frdmn | the vmware-tools |
| 07:07.31 | nabblet | hi, my login with X got stuck, now i logged in on tty2 command line. how can i "kick" my graphical login in order to retry? |
| 07:08.26 | Question | nabblet: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 07:08.52 | nabblet | Question, thank you |
| 07:09.24 | Question | frdmn: http://communities.vmware.com/message/2009903#2009903 |
| 07:09.38 | nabblet | Question, it worked |
| 07:10.33 | frdmn | hmm... but i dont hvae a problem with vmware-USBArbitrator |
| 07:10.41 | frdmn | also not listed in the rcconf |
| 07:10.58 | Question | check for anything related to vmware |
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| 07:12.11 | Question | gnarface, mmnicolas: facebook spellcheck now works.. Just had to rightclick->Languages->English |
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| 07:12.43 | gnarface | Question: holy fuck that was it the whole time |
| 07:12.48 | gnarface | Question++ |
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| 07:12.51 | gnarface | Question: you fixed it |
| 07:12.55 | Question | hah |
| 07:13.13 | gnarface | how the hell does that get unset then google manages to set it? |
| 07:13.41 | gnarface | i somehow suspect that google spell check is actually implemented in javascript and just looks like iceweasel's spell check because they robbed the little red squiggle graphic |
| 07:14.11 | Question | was wondering too |
| 07:14.22 | Question | nah nah |
| 07:14.30 | Question | i think google just uses browser default |
| 07:14.52 | Question | *I* suspect some facebook javascript junk just b0rks it |
| 07:15.05 | gnarface | but its borked everywhere |
| 07:15.11 | Question | *.* |
| 07:15.23 | gnarface | maybe its more like gmail sets the language in the headers somehow that iceweasel sees it and nobody else does it that way |
| 07:15.24 | Question | mine worked everywhere *except* facebook |
| 07:15.27 | gnarface | hmm |
| 07:15.32 | gnarface | weird |
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| 07:15.43 | gnarface | maybe its a cached setting then that didn't get properly updated |
| 07:15.53 | gnarface | so its different for everyone depending on when they updated |
| 07:16.01 | mmnicolas | still on that ? mine works *everywhere*, but iceweasel segfaults sometimes when I type |
| 07:16.09 | gnarface | hah |
| 07:16.12 | gnarface | damn |
| 07:16.24 | gnarface | mmnicolas: nvidia video card? |
| 07:16.31 | Question | also, *Protip: merge your ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/persdict.dat and ~/.config/enchant/en_US.dic into a single file, then set a symlink to that file :) |
| 07:16.46 | Javi | hi there, could anybody give me a hand? http://serverfault.com/questions/441942/access-to-wan-from-one-vlan |
| 07:17.06 | gnarface | Question: neat trick but that looks liek a security hole |
| 07:17.07 | Question | mmnicolas: > mfw non-stable |
| 07:17.11 | mmnicolas | gnarface: yes, drivers & kernel from backports |
| 07:17.13 | Question | gnarface: how? |
| 07:17.26 | gnarface | Question: i dunno just seems unsafe. maybe i'm superstitious |
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| 07:17.44 | Question | nah, i don't think there's anything slightly unsafe about it, heh |
| 07:18.07 | Question | just unifies browser+GTK custom dictionary |
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| 07:18.45 | Question | there's probably an "official firefox" way to select the custom dictionary path instead of a manual symlink, *shrug* |
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| 07:19.39 | Question | i've been on debian for years, but i come from slackware before that... so i go hardcore >=] |
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| 07:20.01 | gnarface | heh |
| 07:20.06 | gnarface | kids and your symlinks |
| 07:20.22 | gnarface | reminds me of the gentoo days |
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| 07:22.16 | gnarface | Question: well i suppose its fine as long as only the user can edit the dictionary from either end, but the problem comes in when there is a mismatch between the level of security needed for the data input on one end from the amount applied to the data on the other end, since you're now merging them transparently |
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| 07:23.14 | gnarface | Question: if a website finds a way to add words to it invisibly it could be an entry vector for other desktop software that's not carefully scrubbing dictionary contents; assuming shell escapes aren't present and the dictionary is safe may become naive... |
| 07:23.17 | gnarface | see where i'm going with this? |
| 07:23.48 | simonlnu | does |
| 07:24.10 | gnarface | would honestly never have even built the internet due to the security concerns inherent in automated passing of data |
| 07:24.20 | Question | Meh, i suppose.. but it really looks like they both use the same underlying spellcheck system (enchant), but for whatever reason .. firefox is "special" and has a separate pathfile |
| 07:24.44 | gnarface | Question: yea "whatever reason" ... |
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| 07:25.39 | simonlnu | gnarface: i would have, but made more allowances for future expansion/revision |
| 07:25.46 | Question | there's probably just a single unified spellcheck API which hands down through enchant... and the security has to be built at that level so whatever application implements it will have that same level of security |
| 07:26.07 | Question | because, by your logic, then each application that uses it should have separate dictionary locations |
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| 07:26.50 | simonlnu | there's probably some buffer checking ;). RTSL |
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| 07:27.28 | Question | TLDR |
| 07:27.30 | gnarface | Question: well not *each* application but certainly the ones that are network-enabled |
| 07:27.49 | gnarface | Question: sort of why you don't run apache as your own shell user |
| 07:28.09 | gnarface | or root, god help you |
| 07:28.11 | simonlnu | network access default: assume everything is hostile, even the user |
| 07:28.49 | simonlnu | s,even,especially, |
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| 07:29.43 | gnarface | well the user has to be assumed hostile because the data is hostile and can affect the user negatively just as easily as it can affect the software negatively |
| 07:29.48 | gnarface | maybe easier in some cases |
| 07:30.01 | simonlnu | that's probably why. since, sure, you can (and probably do) have the program checking the contents, but what if there's a critical bug? |
| 07:30.35 | simonlnu | or the user's been compromised, and the attacker is about to try to escalate privs? |
| 07:30.43 | simonlnu | etc. |
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| 07:36.58 | nannes | Hello :) |
| 07:37.09 | Question | Hi |
| 07:37.27 | nannes | Could anyone explain me this? |
| 07:37.28 | nannes | $ sudo mount /dev/sdf1 ~/tmp/ -o dev,suid,exec |
| 07:37.28 | nannes | $ mount | grep sdf |
| 07:37.28 | nannes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.54 | nannes | they were just 3 lines o.O |
| 07:38.09 | Question | what's your question ? |
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| 07:40.20 | mmnicolas | why is it nosuid and nodev when he specified otherwise |
| 07:40.40 | Question | *oh*. |
| 07:41.03 | Question | probably a limitation of the FUSE driver *shrug* |
| 07:41.12 | mmnicolas | something policy something |
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| 07:46.22 | Question | nannes: this may have been fixed in a newer version of fuse... |
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| 07:47.45 | ChrisH | nannes: I normally use mount -o OPTION /dev/disk /mount/point did you tried that way? |
| 07:47.59 | nannes | Question: you're saying me this is a common problem? i,O |
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| 07:48.17 | ChrisH | nannes: man mount shows it the same way... mount -o ... |
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| 07:48.24 | nannes | ChrisH: I think it's the same, but in the doubt .. I try |
| 07:48.49 | nannes | PS: Question, fuse version is 2.8.6 |
| 07:48.53 | nannes | (mine) |
| 07:48.57 | zetheroo | trying to add some mounts to fstab but when trying to mount with 'mount -a' I see this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //path/to/remote/directory |
| 07:49.08 | Question | 2008-06-27 Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> * Fix handling of (no)suid and (no)dev options if filesystem is mounted from /etc/fstab or via mount(8). Reported by Jan Ondrej. |
| 07:49.15 | zetheroo | when I look at dmesg I see: [ 1397.151510] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 07:49.21 | Question | nannes: how do you know it's 2.8.6? |
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| 07:49.36 | nannes | Question: dpkg -l | grep ii|grep -i fuse |
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| 07:49.58 | Question | nannes: and? paste results |
| 07:50.08 | nannes | I've just told you |
| 07:50.21 | Question | no, you didn't? |
| 07:50.31 | nannes | fuse 2.8.6 |
| 07:51.35 | Question | there's no package named "fuse" ... ? |
| 07:51.57 | helmut | hi. running uxterm -fn 10x20 I fail to distinguish non-ascii unicode characters from the space character. (examples being greek letters and mathematical symbols) can you suggest a different font or a font package to solve this? |
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| 07:52.56 | Question | helmut: maybe use gnome-terminal instead? |
| 07:53.02 | nannes | Question: are you kidding? |
| 07:53.20 | helmut | Question: nope. it would take forever to reproduce my configuration on gnome-termina |
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| 07:53.32 | helmut | Question: I tried rxvt, but even that lacked some options |
| 07:54.02 | Question | nannes: whatever, have fun you moronic asshat |
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| 07:54.32 | zro | do i need to install a seperate package for ffmpeg presets? i dont see them in /usr/share... ? I thought they were there as ffmpeg/*.ffpreset files or something |
| 07:55.21 | nannes | Question: you're a fucking idio |
| 07:55.22 | nannes | t |
| 07:55.25 | frdmn | any other suggestions? |
| 07:55.37 | Question | zro: mine are at /usr/share/ffmpeg/libx264-*.ffpreset from `ffmpeg` package |
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| 07:56.49 | nannes | I told you 2 times, Question ... stop using drugs please |
| 07:57.13 | nannes | or just don't answer |
| 07:57.14 | nannes | . |
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| 07:59.34 | helmut | Question: hmm -fn -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--20-200-75-75-C-100-ISO10646-1 just how am I supposed to guess this string? |
| 07:59.36 | Question | nannes: you're a complete dildo that doesn't know how to discuss questions on irc.. you simply said "fuse 2.8.6" i told you to paste the fucking RESULTS of the god damn command. Not your idiotic interpretation of what you think is the important rephrase. There is no package named "fuse" in debian.. you're just a useless shithole newbfag |
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| 07:59.55 | nannes | wtf |
| 07:59.58 | nkuttler | helmut: xfontsel |
| 07:59.59 | nannes | hahahahaha |
| 08:00.11 | MIAGD | wow |
| 08:00.12 | nkuttler | !ops Question and nannes should get a room |
| 08:00.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: Question and nannes should get a room |
| 08:00.20 | Tree_Hugger | nannes is a troll |
| 08:00.28 | nannes | I'm not with debian, but with a derivative |
| 08:00.28 | Question | Tree_Hugger++ |
| 08:00.35 | Question | then GTFO |
| 08:00.40 | mmnicolas | nannes: then |
| 08:00.40 | Question | derivativefag |
| 08:00.55 | Question | /join #ubuntunoob |
| 08:00.58 | mmnicolas | Question: ..calm down |
| 08:01.00 | nannes | lol .. nope I stay here until I want |
| 08:01.09 | nannes | Question: And it's not ubuntu |
| 08:01.26 | Question | don't give a shit. /join #retartdedOSnoob |
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| 08:01.57 | nannes | sorry Question, I thought you were dumb :) |
| 08:02.06 | nannes | You should have said it before: |
| 08:02.13 | nannes | There's not FUSE package on debian |
| 08:02.17 | nannes | and stop that. simpole |
| 08:02.18 | nannes | *simple |
| 08:02.25 | Question | no, you're still wrong. |
| 08:02.27 | nkuttler | ,v fuse |
| 08:02.28 | judd | Package: fuse on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-2; sid: 2.9.2-1 |
| 08:02.34 | nannes | WTF |
| 08:02.42 | nannes | You moron read up here ^ |
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| 08:02.50 | pclov3r | i think I found a debian bug |
| 08:02.54 | helmut | nkuttler: thanks |
| 08:02.55 | pclov3r | well in debain 7 |
| 08:03.00 | Question | Okay "moron", have we heard about something called "Debian Stable" ? |
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| 08:03.05 | zro | so wait, the package ffmpeg should instlal presets in /usr/share/ffmpeg/libx... ? this is the output of my $dpkg --listfile ffmpeg ... shouldnt they be listed there? |
| 08:03.06 | nannes | eat all the shit you said |
| 08:03.10 | helmut | nkuttler: is there also a tool that can show multiple fonts in parallel for comparison? |
| 08:03.16 | Question | zro: reinstall? |
| 08:03.28 | zro | i just did |
| 08:03.30 | nannes | Question, that's an excuse. You didn't know I had a stable |
| 08:03.39 | pclov3r | I made a new pairtion with fidsk and tired to use pvcreate /dev/sda3 as that was the new pairtion and it says it doesn't eixst when fidsk says it exists |
| 08:03.40 | nannes | moron. you don't even deserve my replies |
| 08:03.46 | mmnicolas | nannes: asking questions here and not using debian is wasting our time |
| 08:03.48 | zro | maybe im getting the package out of some other repo |
| 08:04.00 | nannes | ok sorry mmnicolas |
| 08:04.15 | pclov3r | rebooted to make sure the parition table took effect |
| 08:04.42 | Question | zro: if any, i would guess *debian-multimedia.org* |
| 08:05.04 | zro | if I $ apt-cache policy ffmpeg ... the one w. the "***" is what I got right? |
| 08:05.20 | zro | i got it out of backports if so |
| 08:05.33 | Question | uh, "Installed:" ? |
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| 08:06.07 | zro | ah yes, reading the screen would be helpul, thanks, Question |
| 08:06.48 | Question | oh, also... wheezy doesn't have them ... |
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| 08:07.52 | Question | not sure if that was intentional or a packaging mistake |
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| 08:08.09 | zro | soooo.... ffmpeg package from backports doesnt ahve the presets? |
| 08:08.20 | zro | that seems weird |
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| 08:09.02 | garulf | Hi guys.. how can i check if kvm is used when running qemu? It seems very very slow.. |
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| 08:09.21 | Question | zro: I suppose you could try downloading the squeeze .deb and manually extracting the *.ffpreset |
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| 08:09.45 | mmnicolas | zro: there are lots of things ffmpeg doesn't have in debian |
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| 08:12.49 | zro | this appears to be the presets that used to ship w/ it https://github.com/joeyblake/FFmpeg-Presets |
| 08:12.54 | zro | in case any one was curious |
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| 08:17.30 | voldial | How do I undo changes made with xbindkeys without restarting X? For example, assuming something is in the clipboard, I can manually trigger a middle mouse button paste where ever my pointer is with "sleep 2 ; xte 'mouseclick 2'" until I do "echo -e "\"/bin/true &\" \n b:2" > ~/.xbindkeysrc ; xbindkeys" |
| 08:17.49 | voldial | then middle click to paste does not work. and I gotta restart X to fix it... |
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| 08:21.01 | voldial | my end goal is to exec the app and have the paste happen too. but so far, I can only exec the app if I make that xbindkeys modification, in my case /bin/true is actually a app that does something, and then executes "xte 'mouseclick 2'" which I want to trigger a paste. That works... until I make the xbindkeys change. then it does not trigger a paste. |
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| 08:35.49 | alexj_cs | hello! what's the latest news on the default desktop enviroment on Debian7? |
| 08:36.16 | alexj_cs | I just read two news, one that said it's gnome, one that is xfce |
| 08:36.17 | mayoina | how can i produce characters like these with the keyboard? ™ ® € |
| 08:36.29 | mayoina | alexj_cs: what news? |
| 08:36.40 | mayoina | its gonna be kde for sure! |
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| 08:36.56 | r4co0n | alexj_cs, it's gnome. where did u read about xfce as standard de? |
| 08:36.58 | Question | alexj_cs: Beta3 has trimmed GNOME down enough to fit onto the single first CD |
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| 08:38.08 | mayoina | any idea how can i produce characters like these with the keyboard? ™ ® € |
| 08:38.35 | Question | mayoina: Ctrl+Shift+U+<numbers> ... Or use something like GNOME's "Character Palette" panel applet |
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| 08:39.01 | mayoina | Question: k let me try |
| 08:39.08 | mayoina | dont want to use a gui |
| 08:40.07 | mayoina | doesnt work |
| 08:40.32 | mayoina | lets try something else |
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| 08:41.00 | Question | <Ctrl>+<Shift>+<U>+00ae+<Enter> |
| 08:41.03 | Question | ® |
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| 08:41.54 | Question | use something like `gucharmap` to get the unicode numbers |
| 08:42.03 | alexj_cs | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce |
| 08:42.11 | alexj_cs | citation 3 |
| 08:42.20 | Question | That's wrong |
| 08:42.29 | mayoina | wikipedia much like everything else on the web is becoming more and more unreliable |
| 08:42.39 | r4co0n | mayoina, Question's approach works under GNOME. |
| 08:42.46 | alexj_cs | ok, thank you |
| 08:43.14 | mayoina | what irritates me the most is that the gnu screen article says 4.0.3 was released in 2008 while it was actually released before 2006 |
| 08:43.29 | mayoina | it just wasnt up on the main gnu ftp site |
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| 08:43.37 | mayoina | bloody annoying i tell you! |
| 08:44.02 | mayoina | it may even be from 2004 |
| 08:44.06 | mayoina | like 4.0.2 |
| 08:44.10 | Question | alexj_cs: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018 |
| 08:44.23 | zetheroo | I have a VM with a 5GB virtual drive setup with LVM which has gotten to be too small - I have now created another 10GB virtual drive which I would like to add to the 5GB partition ... I have been trying to use Disk Utility but cannot seem to figure this out |
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| 08:45.55 | r4co0n | wikipedia xfce article quotes http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk Any idea how this guy got so certain about something everyone denies in here? |
| 08:46.10 | docDOC | hello, i want to setup a central log server with rsyslog and auditd. with rsyslog you can organize the log files from the clients with %HOSTNAME% etc. I want to do the same with auditd ... it is possible? |
| 08:46.42 | mayoina | argh konsole splits the terminal if you Ctrl+Shift+U+0 splits the terminal |
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| 08:48.38 | Question | r4co0n: premature/inaccurate speculative assumption, or possibly hopeful propagation of his own personal preference... |
| 08:49.13 | mayoina | i blame joey hess :) |
| 08:49.20 | Question | That Git is not "official", and the change was never upstreamed to actual repositories; Beta3 is trimming GNOME http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20121018 |
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| 08:49.53 | r4co0n | Question, assuming the first, I'm gonna mail him. The wiki is fixed now as it seems... |
| 08:50.02 | r4co0n | him/her |
| 08:50.19 | Question | probably a waste of time, they're probably aware |
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| 08:51.28 | pclov3r | where is the debian 7 buglist? |
| 08:51.34 | pclov3r | where i can report a bug |
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| 08:52.29 | Question | sudo aptitude install reportbug && reportbug |
| 08:52.49 | Question | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 08:53.26 | pclov3r | Well not sure firt if this is a bug maybe you can tell me if it is before I waste time |
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| 08:53.40 | pclov3r | I re-sized a physical disk inside of vmware form 40 to 80 GB |
| 08:53.51 | Question | just report it, someone will look it over |
| 08:53.55 | pclov3r | allright |
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| 08:54.29 | mmnicolas | what is that attitude |
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| 08:55.05 | killown | how do I allow a specific user to has permission to restart /etc/init.d/squid service? |
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| 08:55.33 | voldial | killown, you can do that in /etc/sudoers |
| 08:55.37 | niels1 | pclov3r, you resized and then what happened after that? |
| 08:55.56 | pclov3r | So the disk went form 40 to 80gb which is fine |
| 08:55.58 | killown | voldial I'd like to allow that |
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| 08:56.03 | mmnicolas | pclov3r: you resized it with the vmware tools ? you still need to use a partition tool to match the new disk space |
| 08:56.11 | pclov3r | i used fdisk to make a new parition |
| 08:56.13 | killown | I am doing a script that need this service permission |
| 08:56.32 | pclov3r | used the rest of the space and set it as 8e Linux LVM |
| 08:56.35 | alexj_cs | thank you |
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| 08:56.47 | pclov3r | it made the device as /dev/sda3 |
| 08:56.54 | format_c_ | !tell killown about sudo |
| 08:56.58 | pclov3r | rebooted for the parition table to take effect |
| 08:57.07 | killown | I already said sudo is not what I want |
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| 08:57.19 | pclov3r | verified that the parition existed by running fdisk /dev/sdb3 |
| 08:57.22 | pclov3r | i mean /dev/sda3 |
| 08:57.33 | pclov3r | and it said that it contained no valid tables etc etc which was fine |
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| 08:57.42 | Question | mmnicolas: meh. it's better to encourage reporting; if more duplicate reports come in.. then it's a clear indication that such a bug is encountered more frequently and likely to be more important |
| 08:58.05 | pclov3r | i ran lvm pvcreate /dev/sda3 and it says that it doesn't exist |
| 08:58.06 | format_c_ | killown: but from what you described ist perfectly seems to be task for sudo |
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| 08:58.22 | pclov3r | when clearly it does |
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| 08:58.25 | Question | obviously, better reporting skills such as assuring it's not a duplicate beforehand are good, but if you go into that direction then we should all just patch all bugs in source ourselves and submit the fixes directly :) |
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| 08:58.35 | pclov3r | it exists in fdisk and in /dev/sda3 |
| 08:58.35 | killown | so it'ss ok, chown user /etc/init.d/squid |
| 08:58.36 | killown | done. |
| 08:58.45 | pclov3r | so why does pvcreate say it doesn't exist? |
| 08:59.01 | pclov3r | works fine with debian 6 |
| 08:59.12 | pclov3r | sound like a bug? |
| 08:59.26 | niels1 | pclov3r, what's the exact error message? |
| 08:59.27 | mmnicolas | Question: this report won't get any attention, debian doesn't ship vmware |
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| 08:59.54 | pclov3r | Device /dev/sdb3 not found (or ignored by filtering). |
| 09:00.02 | pclov3r | Device /dev/sda3 not found (or ignored by filtering). |
| 09:00.04 | pclov3r | sorry lol |
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| 09:00.19 | pclov3r | well vmware is the virutal machine software i use |
| 09:00.23 | pclov3r | but the problem isnt' with vwmare |
| 09:00.26 | format_c_ | killown: However you like. I wouldnt have recommended that as a solution to you but if you r ok with tha... |
| 09:00.29 | pclov3r | it's with pvcreate |
| 09:01.26 | pclov3r | I should be able to make a new parition |
| 09:01.27 | niels1 | pclov3r, what if it's actually ignored by filtering? have you configured any filtering rules for lvm? |
| 09:01.32 | pclov3r | nope |
| 09:01.39 | pclov3r | stock rules |
| 09:01.41 | mmnicolas | pclov3r: i'd try to get a more verbose output and find out if it was actually no found or "ignored by filtering" |
| 09:01.49 | mmnicolas | *not |
| 09:02.03 | pclov3r | okay |
| 09:02.30 | pclov3r | is there a lvm log? |
| 09:02.32 | niels1 | pclov3r, does /dev/sda3 appear in the output of "cat /proc/partitions" ? |
| 09:02.54 | pclov3r | haven't checked yet |
| 09:03.06 | pclov3r | going to boot it up and see later |
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| 09:04.06 | niels1 | pclov3r, if you are going to make an error report, please include such details as the lvm config file, /proc/partitons, ls -l /dev/sd*, et cetera |
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| 09:04.52 | pclov3r | thanks :) |
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| 09:05.42 | pclov3r | Centos has morphed me to much |
| 09:05.55 | pclov3r | i'm trying to look for ifcfg-eth0 on debian :) |
| 09:06.06 | alexj_cs | hello (again). I have a sistem with debian testing and a lot of things are broken...and I would like to downgrade everything to debian6 stable |
| 09:06.23 | alexj_cs | how can I force all pachets be installed as they would on a stable sistem? |
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| 09:06.47 | mmnicolas | alexj_cs: better off reinstalling, or there will be some dirt |
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| 09:06.49 | pclov3r | Probly be best for a re-install |
| 09:07.11 | pclov3r | Coudn't he try to edit his sources.list and remove the testing and try to downgrade that way or no? |
| 09:07.41 | pclov3r | or will apt say you have the latest verson and not downgrade you? |
| 09:07.46 | niels1 | downgrading is not officially supported and could leave your system broken in many ways |
| 09:07.55 | alexj_cs | ok |
| 09:07.58 | alexj_cs | thank you |
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| 09:08.47 | niels1 | pclov3r, apt will let you, if you tell it to, but it's not necessarily a good idea anyway |
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| 09:10.21 | r4co0n | Though I also think it's to no avail, I wrote the guy publishing misleading info on Debian's default DE choice. https://paste.debian.net/203469/ |
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| 09:19.47 | pclov3r | is it possible to use fdisk to create a new parition with a bash script? |
| 09:20.08 | nsadmin | pclov3r, I've never heard of ifcfg-eth0. for one thing, not all machines have an eth0 |
| 09:20.26 | pclov3r | ifcfg-eth0 is RHEL thing |
| 09:20.26 | nsadmin | look into sfisk |
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| 09:20.46 | ksk | hey. is there a cool "tail logfile and send it to a colletor-host via network" tool in debian? like scribe or something? |
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| 09:21.04 | pclov3r | on CentOS it's /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 if your curious |
| 09:21.11 | pclov3r | i'm to use to that |
| 09:21.15 | nsadmin | even rhel shouldn't have that as not all machines have an eth0 |
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| 09:21.36 | nsadmin | oh, maybe that's a config file? |
| 09:21.48 | pclov3r | yeah |
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| 09:22.06 | nsadmin | so, a machine owner would create and write it? |
| 09:22.11 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 09:22.26 | nsadmin | in debian that's done by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:22.34 | bluesm | probably I've mess something up with $HOME/.bashrc file. |
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| 09:22.57 | pclov3r | and i'm to use to the rpm apckage system lol |
| 09:23.00 | bluesm | I can't change to tty2 |
| 09:23.02 | bluesm | And tty3 |
| 09:23.12 | bluesm | I have only tty1. |
| 09:23.18 | pclov3r | i'm running rpm -qa sometimes and like why isn't it working on debian lol |
| 09:23.25 | pclov3r | i need to run dpkg -l |
| 09:23.25 | nsadmin | so you're not running debian at all? |
| 09:23.28 | pclov3r | i am |
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| 09:23.44 | pclov3r | just going back and fourth between the two |
| 09:23.44 | nsadmin | then I'm not understanding why rpm has relevence |
| 09:23.47 | pclov3r | gets confusing sometimes |
| 09:23.55 | nsadmin | I would imagine :) |
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| 09:23.57 | pclov3r | No, Just saying sometimes i get confused |
| 09:24.01 | bluesm | ? |
| 09:24.02 | pclov3r | going betwene the two distors |
| 09:24.04 | pclov3r | between |
| 09:24.04 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:24.13 | pclov3r | since stuff is in different places etc etc |
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| 09:24.35 | nsadmin | bluesm, are you in single user mode? |
| 09:24.38 | pclov3r | I guess that's what happens when you get to use to a distro |
| 09:24.48 | nsadmin | give it time |
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| 09:26.34 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.13 | nsadmin | bluesm, what user are you logged in as? when you booted the machine, did you choose maintainance mode? |
| 09:28.46 | nsadmin | directly, tty1-only sounds like you are in maintainance mode |
| 09:29.12 | bluesm | nsadmin: Is it connected with runlevel ? |
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| 09:33.48 | nsadmin | bluesm no, runlevels are not associated with maintainance mode. how did you boot? what grub menu item did you choose? the exact text of the entire item was? |
| 09:33.54 | oxodesign | Hi im new to the debian and linux world and wonder how I can make Dropbox to autorun when the server reboots? Any help? |
| 09:35.09 | voldial | oxodesign, checkout 11.6 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 09:35.55 | nsadmin | oxodesign, no idea (but look at /etc/init.d/skeleton, /etc/init.d/README, man init, man insserv. alternatively you can use /etc/rc.local, but it will only run things just after boot, not just before shutdown |
| 09:36.31 | nsadmin | oxodesign, in other news... you may wish to tell our bot: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 09:36.46 | nsadmin | the bot will msg you back with a pile of stuff to read |
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| 09:39.58 | pclov3r | qucik bash question |
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| 09:40.04 | ksk | #bash |
| 09:40.15 | pclov3r | i guess i'll go there |
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| 09:40.47 | nsadmin | I see no reason you can't ask here (#bash has a reputation of being hostile) |
| 09:41.38 | ksk | answered his question of there... hostile? never happend to me, and i always ask newbie questions ;) |
| 09:41.49 | ksk | s/of/over/ |
| 09:41.52 | oxodesign | thnx everyone |
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| 09:43.30 | nsadmin | hmm, ksk, maybe they;re learning? that would be good to hear |
| 09:44.14 | nsadmin | oxodesign, and don't forget the debian-faq entry... eventually look at all the faq questinog |
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| 09:47.53 | stefan877 | hi, I want to create a Debian image for ARMEL with Debootstrap according to http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html |
| 09:49.12 | stefan877 | but after "debootstrap --arch armel squeeze /mnt/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian" comes "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 09:49.17 | stefan877 | Why that? |
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| 09:50.29 | format_c | stefan877, before chroot do mount -obind /proc /mnt/proc |
| 09:50.37 | format_c | same witth /sys and /dev |
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| 09:51.44 | nsadmin | and, /mnt is as good a place as any mount points which are thought of as temporary |
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| 09:52.16 | format_c | nsadmin, I guess chroot has mostly a temp. character |
| 09:52.32 | nsadmin | true enough |
| 09:52.49 | format_c | I do it exactly the same because I'm too lazy in such situations :-) |
| 09:53.13 | nsadmin | maybe Homer Simpson was also considered in the beginning to be a temporary character... but look what happened!@ |
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| 09:53.29 | nsadmin | I can understand that |
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| 09:53.35 | stefan877 | format_c: why does wiki mount proc and sysfs after debootstrap? they do chroot after this mounts. why does my debootstrap automatically chroot? |
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| 09:53.52 | nsadmin | is starting to get used to my new kbd which was just delivered today :) |
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| 09:54.39 | format_c | I dont know. Ijust know how to set up a chroot |
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| 09:55.43 | nsadmin | stefan877, my guess, depending on the first few actions (as specified by the arg to chroot)may need that stuff mounted already... if not, then it doesn't matter when you mount |
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| 09:58.08 | niels1 | well, if he chroots into a directory tree that has files for a different architecture, it won't work, obviously. there's a slightly different process for debootstrapping cross-architecture, if i remember correctly |
| 09:58.53 | nsadmin | to run things, yes... he just wants to write the image? |
| 10:00.29 | stefan877 | so after mounting all and do a "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" the following error comes "chroot: failed to run command "/bin/bash": Exec format error" |
| 10:00.46 | niels1 | there's still a slightly different process involved. it should be in the wiki, too |
| 10:00.48 | stefan877 | niels1: I think this is because /bin/bash is for arch armel... |
| 10:00.56 | niels1 | yes, that's what i said |
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| 10:02.08 | format_c | niels1, is this then possible at all? |
| 10:02.16 | stefan877 | niels1: is it possible without QEMU? |
| 10:02.18 | format_c | the binary code differs |
| 10:02.20 | niels1 | mainly you do it in 2 stages. 1st stage on the external architecture, and 2nd stage on the architecture your debootstrapping for |
| 10:02.39 | niels1 | format_c, yes, look into the wiki |
| 10:02.46 | niels1 | it's somewhere in the wiki, too |
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| 10:02.52 | niels1 | maybe search for emdebian |
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| 10:03.47 | stefan877 | niels1: is emdebian better? can it use all debian packages? |
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| 10:06.21 | gnarface | installed emdebian and couldn't figure out where it is, much less how to actually run it or make use of it |
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| 10:14.12 | nsadmin | , v postgresql |
| 10:14.13 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+130~bpo60+2; |
| 10:14.14 | judd | squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy1~bpo60+1; sid: 9.1+134wheezy1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy1; experimental: 9.1+136 |
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| 10:27.09 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 10:27.25 | bluesm | The problem was --> "ID" of RUNLEVEL |
| 10:27.52 | pclov3r | howcome diskpart doesn't work? |
| 10:27.56 | pclov3r | i mean partprobe |
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| 10:28.36 | nsadmin | bluesm, oh, in /etc/inittab? |
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| 10:29.06 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.13 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.13 | nsadmin | pclov3r, could you rephrase? ("doesn't work" has no new information) |
| 10:29.21 | bluesm | nsadmin: Thank you very much :) |
| 10:29.33 | nsadmin | well, I didn't do anything :) |
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| 10:29.54 | nsadmin | I am however glad you were able to find and fix the problem |
| 10:30.14 | nsadmin | I am starting to like this kbd! |
| 10:30.27 | nsadmin | it's fast and smooooth |
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| 10:32.19 | pclov3r | Bascailly partprobe runs |
| 10:32.25 | pclov3r | but it doesn't appear there is any changes |
| 10:32.47 | nsadmin | what do you want it to do? |
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| 10:32.59 | pclov3r | bascailly make a parition |
| 10:33.08 | pclov3r | and have it take instant effect |
| 10:33.11 | pclov3r | instead of a reboot |
| 10:33.20 | pclov3r | to have it take ffect |
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| 10:35.35 | pclov3r | any ideas how to have a parition take effect |
| 10:35.39 | pclov3r | after you use fdisk to make it? |
| 10:36.19 | pclov3r | instead of having to reboot to make it take effect |
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| 10:38.57 | nsadmin | that's not the fault of fdisk, the deal is that if partitions on that drive are in use, then the partition table is in use, and it won't reread it |
| 10:39.03 | nsadmin | can't reread it |
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| 10:41.31 | pclov3r | ah |
| 10:41.40 | niels1 | it usually does reread them with partprobe, even when in use |
| 10:41.48 | pclov3r | i will try again |
| 10:41.50 | pclov3r | and see what happens |
| 10:42.17 | niels1 | but maybe that's a problem of your system running inside VMware, who knows |
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| 10:43.14 | pclov3r | apppears parprobe worked this time |
| 10:43.30 | pclov3r | i have debian installed on my main computer so not just vmware |
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| 10:43.42 | pclov3r | as a dual boot |
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| 10:56.09 | Shadow`_ | could i use something like grep -irn and do a find/replace? |
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| 10:58.52 | pclov3r | Sorry for all the questions lol |
| 10:58.58 | pclov3r | but i have another one |
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| 10:59.05 | pclov3r | df -h | grep mapper | cut -c13-99 |
| 10:59.15 | pclov3r | how can i cut out the dash but leave a space |
| 10:59.23 | pclov3r | and leave two colums |
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| 11:02.25 | pclov3r | the goal is to grab the Volume Group and root logical volume form df -h |
| 11:02.30 | pclov3r | and set it as two varables |
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| 11:06.01 | nsadmin | pclov3r, might be easier to append/insert a space instead of parse it out |
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| 11:20.10 | genesis | hi, i need squeeze 6.0.1 , torrent are dead, mirror seems to have only checksum |
| 11:20.26 | genesis | any idea where i could find iso dvd or cd to install it ? |
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| 11:21.36 | nsadmin | genesis will the machine have a wired network during the install? |
| 11:21.56 | genesis | yes, you advise to use a netinstall ? |
| 11:22.19 | nsadmin | well at least it makes sense... that's my first cut at a recommendation |
| 11:22.27 | nsadmin | this kbd is SO fast |
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| 11:25.50 | nsadmin | using a net install has the effect of minimizing the image size and maximizing use of -package- mirrors (as opposed to cd image mirrors)... this has the effect of reducing the load on mirrors and also maximizing your own freedom to download/install what you want |
| 11:26.36 | genesis | of course yes |
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| 11:26.48 | genesis | i took easily the 6.0.6 on torrent |
| 11:26.53 | nsadmin | having said ALL that, what do you want :) |
| 11:27.02 | genesis | BUT there is no way to get a 6.0.1 even 6.0.1a |
| 11:27.28 | genesis | that's a customer request, i already try to argue . |
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| 11:27.42 | nsadmin | oh, you really want that one? oh, customer? |
| 11:27.45 | genesis | i try jigdo , but it failed. |
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| 11:28.17 | genesis | yes i need an archive of the iso |
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| 11:29.08 | stefan877 | so I can make an debian fs with debootstrap |
| 11:29.32 | stefan877 | when I instert the SD-Card wird debootstrapped squeeze I can boot with the ARM-Board |
| 11:29.41 | stefan877 | I can execute an shell over serial line |
| 11:30.03 | stefan877 | but there is no apt-get or aptitude |
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| 11:30.21 | stefan877 | manual http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html says to use aptitude |
| 11:30.25 | nsadmin | genesis, has the client made it clear why he wants that version? has the client said whether he has a copy of 6,0,1? |
| 11:30.26 | stefan877 | but where is aptitude? |
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| 11:30.43 | Cairath | hi |
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| 11:31.35 | nsadmin | stefan877, echo $PATH |
| 11:31.36 | f8l | genesis: I have some archival ISOs. I can share. ;-) How old ISOs do you need? And how did jigdo fail to assemble them? |
| 11:31.36 | genesis | nsadmin ; problem is that i've a customer between us ... |
| 11:32.27 | nsadmin | oh, you're a subcontractor? |
| 11:32.36 | genesis | yes |
| 11:32.41 | joelio | what's the preferred way of changing a user's proxy setting (specifically for apt) when they are not in a proxied environment. It's fine when the user is in the office, but if they're out and about they can;t access the proxy (and no VPN for this). I'd imagine there's some way to profile laptops environments> |
| 11:33.11 | nsadmin | genesis, what arch has the customer specified? |
| 11:33.22 | Cairath | hi, i'm seeking help installing debian via TFTP. anyone may help? |
| 11:33.30 | genesis | i386 |
| 11:33.52 | nsadmin | Cairath, use another machine, put the tftpd there |
| 11:33.56 | pclov3r | i suck at scripting lol |
| 11:34.19 | pclov3r | any idea how to get sed to replace a charter with a space? |
| 11:34.21 | nsadmin | pclov3r, how many times did you do it so far? |
| 11:34.30 | nsadmin | tr |
| 11:34.31 | joelio | pclov3r: /match/ / |
| 11:34.35 | joelio | simples |
| 11:34.57 | Cairath | nsadmin, i have a tftp running here at my win7, still get always no boot filename received |
| 11:35.02 | nsadmin | oh, never mind me; tr will do something like that but not exactly what you watn |
| 11:35.10 | pclov3r | df | grep mapper | cut -c13-99 | sed s/-//g |
| 11:35.28 | joelio | sed s/-/ /g |
| 11:35.32 | nsadmin | Cairath I think you put the filename in the dhcp serve |
| 11:35.38 | nsadmin | r |
| 11:35.42 | pclov3r | sed: -e expression #1, char 4: unterminated `s' command |
| 11:35.52 | f8l | pclov3r: Or even: sed 's/-/ /g' |
| 11:36.29 | pclov3r | f81 that did it |
| 11:36.31 | pclov3r | thanks :) |
| 11:36.46 | pclov3r | df | grep mapper | cut -c13-99 | sed 's/-/ /g' |
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| 11:36.52 | pclov3r | is that a horrible way to do it? |
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| 11:37.07 | niels1 | probably, yes. it's not very robust |
| 11:37.17 | joelio | #it's not very portable, may run into issues when your df output changes |
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| 11:37.59 | f8l | pclov3r: You have to remember, that a space delimits arguments, so if you want to put a space inside and argument, you have to escape it, or put in apostrophes or quotation marks. |
| 11:38.17 | pclov3r | i foroget tht sometimes |
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| 11:38.28 | genesis | anyway i've to go, but archive should be available imho , industry can't update as far as community |
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| 11:38.50 | f8l | pclov3r: cut -c13- would be better, but why do you use characters instead of fields? Still it's ugly though. ;-P |
| 11:39.03 | nsadmin | genesi, talk to f8l |
| 11:39.14 | pclov3r | I suck at bash |
| 11:39.15 | pclov3r | thats why |
| 11:39.22 | pclov3r | is using /proc/mounts better |
| 11:39.24 | pclov3r | then df? |
| 11:39.41 | nsadmin | you tell us... is it easier? |
| 11:39.50 | f8l | genesis: Which version do you want? I keep .deb files which make i386 and amd64 ISOs. Perfect for jigdoing them together. |
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| 11:40.55 | genesis | f8l : i fear i can't install anything i need after that, if package are not available |
| 11:41.00 | nsadmin | f8l, I think he wants a 6.0.1 (sic) netinstall, arch i386 |
| 11:41.07 | genesis | i need recent QT4 for example |
| 11:41.25 | genesis | yes i need it , but after that, could i really use it ... |
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| 11:41.38 | f8l | A netinstall? That I may not have, but I'll check. Let me find my disk… |
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| 11:42.28 | f8l | genesis: Not really. But I think it's better to get a full CD-1, so at least some of needed packages are there. |
| 11:43.28 | genesis | i'll ask again my proxy customer with this element |
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| 11:43.43 | genesis | and i return to you |
| 11:43.50 | nsadmin | genesis, the thing is, that even if you get that version of the netinstall and you have the net and it sees it during install, it will hit itself in the forehead and go OHHHH! he wants the LATEST stable! |
| 11:43.58 | pclov3r | http://pastebin.com/RMniQk8R |
| 11:44.00 | pclov3r | is my script |
| 11:44.47 | ChrisH | pclov3r: grep mapper /proc/mounts | cut -d " " -f 1 |
| 11:44.59 | genesis | anyway if i've a CD1 ; when i update the distribution , that will be same as 6.0.6 |
| 11:45.01 | genesis | isn't it ? |
| 11:45.05 | f8l | genesis: I believe there is an archive of old packages. 6.0.1 is not ancient, so if your client sets apt to fetch from the archive, he may get a usable system with a netinstall. |
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| 11:45.32 | pclov3r | it doesn't appear mapper exists in /proc/mounts on a xenserver vm |
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| 11:45.37 | f8l | genesis: I think so… |
| 11:46.02 | nsadmin | so, when f8l suggests cd images, you would need perhaps all the i386 binary cds of 6.0.1 in order to stay there. |
| 11:46.08 | nsadmin | now having said that... |
| 11:46.45 | ChrisH | pclov3r: where is the difference between lvm pvcreate and pvcreate ? |
| 11:46.52 | f8l | f8l: I didn't mention it earlier, but I only archive first CD from the set. :-( |
| 11:46.52 | nsadmin | the difference between .1 and .6 is a LOT of grave and critical bug fixes |
| 11:47.14 | pclov3r | not sure if there is any differnces |
| 11:47.19 | pclov3r | just use to doing it like that |
| 11:47.21 | genesis | nsadmin : that makes sens |
| 11:47.50 | genesis | thanks for help and arguments |
| 11:48.29 | pclov3r | Is this really |
| 11:48.33 | pclov3r | that bad of a idea for new setups? |
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| 11:49.35 | stefan877 | nsadmin: this is ehco $PATH from ARM machine: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 11:50.16 | nsadmin | pclov3r, mapper refers ti tge device mapper, which is the kernel module that replaced the one that contained all the lvm-specific smarts with a module that maps to lvm smarts implemented in userland |
| 11:50.16 | ChrisH | pclov3r: I did not read all above, but it looks like want to double existing lvols with a newly added PV. correct? |
| 11:50.18 | genesis | LTS is a true business anyway |
| 11:50.30 | stefan877 | I have executed debootstrap with this "debootstrap --arch armel --include=udev,apt,ifupdown,iproute,iputils-ping,nano squeeze /test http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian" |
| 11:50.45 | stefan877 | it should include apt and nano but it doesn't |
| 11:50.48 | stefan877 | dpkg is available |
| 11:50.49 | dpkg | stefan877: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 11:51.29 | pclov3r | oh oos |
| 11:51.33 | stefan877 | dpkg can executed |
| 11:51.33 | dpkg | stefan877: i haven't a clue |
| 11:51.34 | pclov3r | i made mistakes in my script lol |
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| 11:52.43 | pclov3r | Why did i make this? I made to to resize the lv of a vm |
| 11:52.43 | nsadmin | and that was probably your and everyone's first time of making any kind of mistake |
| 11:52.58 | pclov3r | lmao |
| 11:53.01 | pclov3r | of cource |
| 11:53.09 | nsadmin | so |
| 11:53.14 | nsadmin | this lv |
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| 11:54.01 | nsadmin | have you resized anythign yet? |
| 11:54.17 | pclov3r | well the vm software resizes the physical virutal disk |
| 11:54.32 | stefan877 | but under /var/cache/apt/archives are an apt*.deb Package, also an nano*.deb package |
| 11:54.35 | pclov3r | but i dont like the idea of eidting the main pairtion |
| 11:54.38 | pclov3r | to make it bigger |
| 11:54.45 | pclov3r | messing with cynlders can be dangrious |
| 11:54.52 | pclov3r | i dont like doing it |
| 11:55.02 | nsadmin | so, |
| 11:55.03 | nsadmin | have you resized anythign yet? |
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| 11:55.16 | pclov3r | yes |
| 11:55.20 | pclov3r | going to test the script |
| 11:55.30 | nsadmin | did you shrink or grow? |
| 11:55.36 | pclov3r | grow |
| 11:55.49 | nsadmin | you want to grow what exactly? |
| 11:55.58 | nsadmin | an lv? |
| 11:56.00 | pclov3r | the root lv |
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| 11:56.12 | nsadmin | ok, does the vg have room? |
| 11:56.25 | pclov3r | did you read what hte script does? |
| 11:56.34 | nsadmin | the vg consists of what, only one pv? |
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| 11:56.50 | pclov3r | http://pastebin.com/SSA0ps17 |
| 11:57.42 | stefan877 | but when calling dpkg -i *.deb a error come: dpkg: error: PATH is not set. |
| 11:57.49 | stefan877 | but echo $PATH is not empty |
| 11:57.53 | stefan877 | why that? |
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| 11:58.39 | pclov3r | nsadmin: you see what it does? |
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| 12:00.25 | ChrisH | pclov3r: your script assumes only one VG and only one LV... I tried it on one of my systems with more VGs per Systems |
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| 12:00.49 | f8l | genesis: FYI, I have just successfully jigdoed a debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso. |
| 12:01.02 | nsadmin | well, I know how to do this by hand... if you are growing, you have to grow the lv first, then grow the filesystem.... shrink, you shrink the filesystem first, then shrink the lv |
| 12:03.35 | pclov3r | Yes |
| 12:03.39 | pclov3r | It assumes that |
| 12:03.48 | pclov3r | becuase that's all it needs to do |
| 12:05.23 | ChrisH | On how many systems do you need to do it? Or otherwise asked, does it make sense to script it? |
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| 12:06.25 | ChrisH | pclov3r: and you might want to check man vgs and man lvs and run commands like lvs -olv_name Instead of these pipe stuff |
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| 12:08.41 | pclov3r | it's for vm setups |
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| 12:08.51 | pclov3r | and yes it does |
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| 12:09.49 | pclov3r | i guess partprobe doesn't exist on a defualt debian install? |
| 12:10.50 | nsadmin | so you need that because you want to resize the lv for /? |
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| 12:11.24 | PigDude | has anybody set up a motd that shows aptitude update status? |
| 12:11.26 | PigDude | would be neat |
| 12:11.35 | pclov3r | yes |
| 12:11.36 | PigDude | you'd just make a cron job write to file, right? |
| 12:11.58 | PigDude | i'd love to see how you (or whoever) did it :^) |
| 12:12.11 | PigDude | i need to be better about my upgrades ;) |
| 12:12.42 | pclov3r | i suck at bash scritping btw |
| 12:12.47 | pclov3r | if you havent already figured it out |
| 12:12.52 | niels1 | you already mentioned that |
| 12:13.18 | pclov3r | ah ok |
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| 12:13.56 | nsadmin | pclov3r and the number of scripts so far youve written? |
| 12:14.02 | PigDude | is there a way to invoke aptitude update so that it shows the packages that are outdated? |
| 12:14.14 | PigDude | i usually have to invoke safe-upgrade/upgrade to see that list |
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| 12:14.45 | pclov3r | i've writen a few |
| 12:14.46 | PigDude | pclov3r, bash script is easy :P you should poke your head in #bash, check out the Greg's Wiki, etc. |
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| 12:15.26 | vacuous | I have a problem, when I run "skype" in the terminal, skype starts fine but the terminal stays up until I close skype |
| 12:15.36 | vacuous | How can I start it without needing to keep the terminal up? |
| 12:15.49 | nsadmin | vacuous. dpm |
| 12:15.55 | pclov3r | i have to add more do this script now dman it lol |
| 12:15.59 | Brigo | vacuous: nohup? |
| 12:16.03 | vacuous | dpm? |
| 12:16.03 | nsadmin | don't start it from a terminal |
| 12:16.14 | vacuous | how else will I start it? |
| 12:16.20 | nsadmin | menu item? |
| 12:16.29 | nsadmin | run? |
| 12:16.48 | vacuous | it's not in the menu |
| 12:16.56 | vacuous | (I'm using awesome) |
| 12:17.16 | nsadmin | how did you install skype? |
| 12:17.27 | nsadmin | from a .deb? |
| 12:17.30 | vacuous | yeah |
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| 12:17.55 | nsadmin | hmm. a .deb could stick itself into a menu, doesn't have to |
| 12:18.15 | nsadmin | so, you could run it from the run item |
| 12:18.16 | vacuous | so is there no terminal command I can use for it? and hm |
| 12:18.23 | pclov3r | this scirpt |
| 12:18.25 | vacuous | how do I do that? |
| 12:18.26 | pclov3r | is getting bigger now lol |
| 12:18.55 | nsadmin | the main menu should have a run item |
| 12:19.08 | ChrisH | pclov3r: If it makes sense to script it, you should handle return values. Prepare the script to be able getting unexpected answers.... like 2 VGs or more LVs or no VG at all |
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| 12:21.25 | vacuous | nsadmin, I don't see it |
| 12:21.58 | nsadmin | hmm... I believe you... never did use awexome befoer |
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| 12:22.12 | pclov3r | All vm's by defualt will have 1vg and 1lv |
| 12:22.16 | pclov3r | so the script works |
| 12:23.13 | nsadmin | you never did explain what the script does (in words, not code) |
| 12:23.24 | pclov3r | i didn't? |
| 12:23.27 | pclov3r | i thought i did many times |
| 12:23.52 | nsadmin | does it alter a partition? |
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| 12:24.20 | nsadmin | it doesn't have to since you're using lvm :) |
| 12:24.40 | nsadmin | (and the vg has to have some unused space) |
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| 12:25.39 | nsadmin | as long as that's true, there is no need to alter any partitions |
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| 12:25.42 | wook | guys, what's benefits of bsd over debian? |
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| 12:25.53 | pseudonymous | would anyone happen to know where I should look to discover the location of gitosis' log file on debian ? |
| 12:26.31 | ChrisH | pseudonymous: dpkg -L gitosis |
| 12:26.33 | nsadmin | wook, personally I'm kinda tired... and also tired of making comparisons |
| 12:26.55 | ChrisH | wook: only 2 letters needed to write it |
| 12:27.00 | ChrisH | wook: only 3 letters needed to write it |
| 12:27.12 | nsadmin | and two lines needed to say that :) |
| 12:27.33 | ChrisH | room for improvment... as pclov3r script :) |
| 12:27.40 | pseudonymous | ChrisH: not the worst idea, but it only lists the binaries and some python scripts - the package itself doesn't create a log-file ( I assume it's created on running the program) |
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| 12:28.08 | nsadmin | lets get to that part... pclov3r, you still here? |
| 12:28.21 | ChrisH | ,v gitosis |
| 12:28.22 | judd | Package: gitosis on i386 -- lenny: 0.2+20080825-2; squeeze: 0.2+20090917-11 |
| 12:28.30 | nsadmin | what |
| 12:28.35 | nsadmin | is that? |
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| 12:29.09 | nsadmin | kbd is typing so fast, it's typing keys between the ones I type~ |
| 12:29.16 | pclov3r | o |
| 12:29.18 | wook | i was using debian for a while, never got hacked or anything, then i shifted to bsd as debian was on mobile box and bsd is on static one, but, now i am stucked with apache2 and php5...and since i am more familiar with debian than other nuxes i am thinking to install debian on static box too |
| 12:29.19 | pclov3r | i'm tired now lol |
| 12:29.41 | pclov3r | just realised that the Debian template doesn't have partprobe now |
| 12:29.54 | pclov3r | so now i have to do this http://pastebin.com/SwKQixDj |
| 12:30.04 | pclov3r | why doesn't it have partprobe |
| 12:30.21 | nsadmin | just wanted to say, when your script calls another program, it needs to save the value the program gives back, which is called its exit status |
| 12:30.37 | pclov3r | did i do that right? |
| 12:30.54 | nsadmin | dunno... I'm still avoiding reading scripts :) |
| 12:31.13 | nsadmin | what I'm saying to you is this: |
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| 12:31.50 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.12 | ChrisH | pclov3r: looks like a lot of copy-and-paste code.. -> move the parts to a function. 2. no return code testing visible What happens if user presses return or 5 ? |
| 12:34.58 | pclov3r | oh |
| 12:34.59 | pclov3r | yeah |
| 12:35.04 | pclov3r | i told you i suck :) |
| 12:35.21 | nsadmin | more importantly, you're telling yourself that |
| 12:35.25 | nsadmin | and it's -wrong- |
| 12:35.32 | pclov3r | why is saying i suck wrong? |
| 12:35.49 | nsadmin | because you're training your brain to suck |
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| 12:36.49 | nsadmin | you should be saying I FUKN RRROOOCCCCKKKKKK!!! (and this silly script is not representative of what I can really do) |
| 12:36.59 | pclov3r | lmao |
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| 12:37.39 | pclov3r | http://pastebin.com/3iRJSBja this is probly a worse script |
| 12:37.47 | pclov3r | it doesnt' even work now probly |
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| 12:38.26 | nsadmin | do you take engl. writing courses? |
| 12:38.35 | pclov3r | no |
| 12:38.46 | pclov3r | I'm just a horrible typist. |
| 12:39.12 | nsadmin | should consider it... because... writing computer programs.... is.... writing |
| 12:39.26 | pclov3r | How bad is that centos script |
| 12:39.28 | pclov3r | lol |
| 12:39.42 | nsadmin | and.... writing too many dots is... well... too much |
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| 12:40.34 | nsadmin | pclov3r, aptitude install gtypist |
| 12:40.54 | pclov3r | lol |
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| 12:42.15 | PigDude | is there a way to invoke aptitude update so that it shows the packages that are outdated? |
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| 12:42.21 | nsadmin | and get a metronome, set it on the lowest setting, relax your hands between every keystroke absolutely every time... and you'll get good... focus on accuracy, FORGET about speed... focus on the little tiny muscle movements |
| 12:42.36 | pclov3r | your better then the #centos channel people way better |
| 12:42.42 | nsadmin | and you'll get good |
| 12:42.47 | nsadmin | well |
| 12:42.51 | nsadmin | I'm different :) |
| 12:43.00 | babilen | gtypist for the rescue! |
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| 12:43.04 | ChrisH | pclov3r: it looks at some parts your style... It makes some checks before assuming files are there, but the order is weird. Like line 71-79 it checks if its running on deadred or similar and before on line 31 it read /etc/redhat-relase If I dig in deeper I expect to find more of them |
| 12:43.05 | PigDude | pclov3r, you should see the #debian channel on oftc ;) |
| 12:43.14 | PigDude | pclov3r, i believe that's the "official" one |
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| 12:43.19 | no_gravity | Hello! When I do "lsusb" should that display a wlan usb stick that is plugged into the machine? |
| 12:43.21 | PigDude | pclov3r, of course this is great too |
| 12:43.21 | nsadmin | babilen, you could use a netinst for a rescue |
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| 12:43.35 | babilen | heh |
| 12:44.02 | nsadmin | PigDude it's the one with the domain |
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| 12:44.24 | PigDude | nsadmin, ? |
| 12:44.33 | nsadmin | irc.debian.org |
| 12:44.35 | PigDude | ah |
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| 12:44.47 | ChrisH | no_gravity: If the stick is USB attached it should be visible. |
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| 12:44.58 | PigDude | i stand corrected .. somebody once pointed me to the oftc channel and it was quite crowded. i suppose oftc is just generally a popular server for sysadmins |
| 12:45.06 | no_gravity | ChrisH: strange, its not. what could that mean? |
| 12:45.11 | themill | PigDude: aptitude search ~U |
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| 12:45.36 | pclov3r | I've leanred my lessing about installing rpm's outside of the system |
| 12:45.38 | ChrisH | no_gravity: unplug, run tail -f /var/log/messages and replug... pastebin the tail output and dmesg |
| 12:45.45 | nsadmin | Jammit,Jim! |
| 12:45.48 | pclov3r | for CentOS that is |
| 12:45.58 | pclov3r | I hate going back and fourth between CentOS and Debian lol |
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| 12:47.23 | nsadmin | some stuff is the same, the stuff that isn't is probably related to admin and other root-only activity |
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| 12:47.33 | PigDude | themill, thanks :^) |
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| 12:48.17 | pclov3r | http://pastebin.com/sgUdRf8u |
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| 12:48.57 | pclov3r | i should put exit 0 at end probly? |
| 12:50.00 | ChrisH | likes it more this way: http://pastebin.com/cgebg5Sx |
| 12:50.35 | PigDude | how is motd generated by default? |
| 12:50.53 | PigDude | is it in /etc/cron.daily? |
| 12:51.05 | jeep | PigDude: /etc/motd |
| 12:51.06 | babilen | !tell PigDude -about motd |
| 12:51.26 | pclov3r | !debian is hard |
| 12:51.27 | dpkg | pclov3r: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 12:51.43 | pclov3r | !i love you |
| 12:51.44 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 12:51.46 | pclov3r | lol |
| 12:51.50 | PigDude | jeep, that's just the file |
| 12:51.52 | babilen | pclov3r: Please don't play with the bot |
| 12:51.56 | pclov3r | okay |
| 12:51.57 | PigDude | jeep, looks like mine is only generated on boot |
| 12:52.19 | babilen | PigDude: Check dpkg's private message and read "man 5 motd" and "man 5 motd.tail" |
| 12:52.23 | PigDude | in /etc/init.d/bootlogs |
| 12:52.28 | PigDude | thanks |
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| 12:52.59 | PigDude | where can I see wheezy stable progress page? I forget this URL |
| 12:53.11 | PigDude | w/ the outstanding bug count etc |
| 12:53.22 | PigDude | I was curious how close we are to next stable ;) |
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| 12:53.39 | babilen | !tell PigDude -about rc bugs |
| 12:53.56 | pclov3r | dman it's almost 6AM |
| 12:54.00 | pclov3r | i've been in here talking to you to long |
| 12:54.13 | babilen | good night then :) |
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| 12:54.23 | pclov3r | Not yet :) |
| 12:54.39 | pclov3r | I do want to get better at bash. I think I will eventually |
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| 12:55.59 | babilen | pclov3r: /join #bash then and read greycat's bash guide (http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide) among other documentation |
| 12:56.37 | PigDude | thanks babilen |
| 12:56.42 | PigDude | looks like we're getting close :^) |
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| 12:58.52 | codekK | Hi all, i have a question. actually nouveau have acceleration 3d support? |
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| 12:59.03 | pclov3r | "Don't use cat as a default method for feeding file content to a process." |
| 12:59.06 | pclov3r | I have a problem doing this lol |
| 12:59.40 | zykotick9 | codekK: not on squeeze. with wheezy nouveau 3d works for some cards (not too many though). best of luck. |
| 12:59.48 | PigDude | pclov3r, cmd < file |
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| 13:00.19 | codekK | zykotick9, im on wheezy, where i can find if my graphic card is supported? |
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| 13:01.24 | zykotick9 | codekK: not sure. i'd start by checking your cards status on h-node myself. |
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| 13:02.05 | codekK | zykotick9, and how i can do this? :S |
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| 13:02.41 | codekK | i was installed the mesa utils and try glxinfo |
| 13:02.42 | zykotick9 | codekK: h-node.org it's the FSF h/w list now |
| 13:02.48 | codekK | but ok |
| 13:02.59 | stefan877 | is it possible to check if all write jobs to ext2 filesystem are done - before unmounting? |
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| 13:03.41 | ChrisH | stefan877: write jobs given to the kernel will finish before umount gets excuted. |
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| 13:04.05 | stefan877 | can I do this before unmount? |
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| 13:04.44 | ChrisH | stefan877: run snyc twice before running umount.... otherwise your umount will schedule the sync and needs to wait. |
| 13:04.51 | codekK | zykotick9, my graphic 9600gso dont appear :S |
| 13:05.27 | codekK | just 9600gt :S |
| 13:05.35 | ChrisH | stefan877: I do not really understand your question. the system will take care on write jobs goven to the kernel not write jobs still at the application. does that answer your question? |
| 13:06.02 | zykotick9 | codekK: i'm not "shocked" it's not an exhaustive list. my 8800 doesn't do nouveau 3d, i got an older nvidia card that did work with nouveau3d and personally - i was disappointed with it's performance. best of luck. i got nothing further for ya. |
| 13:06.05 | stefan877 | thanks |
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| 13:07.06 | codekK | zykotick9, Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience |
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| 13:07.24 | pclov3r | is it ok to end all my scripts with exit 0? |
| 13:07.24 | zykotick9 | codekK: no inconvenience (for me) - sorry i couldn't be more help ;) |
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| 13:07.40 | NickNolte | WWW.JIZZDAY.COM |
| 13:07.42 | codekK | i just to try install nvidia privative drivers |
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| 13:07.57 | pclov3r | wtf was that? |
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| 13:08.09 | fir_ed | If I compile my own software, how do I update it? Just recompile a newer version? How do I delete the old version? |
| 13:08.20 | danols_work | hi I need a bit of help - find ./ -iname '*.html' | xargs -n 1 grep -n 'FOO' --- how do I display the file name too ? |
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| 13:09.04 | themill | danols_work: grep has a -H option. Make sure you don't have filenames with spaces or newlines in them |
| 13:09.22 | danols_work | fir_ed most software I had experience with specify in readmes how to update - those that don't going through the install again would be a safe bet |
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| 13:09.23 | themill | danols_work: (you may also like to look at ack-grep) |
| 13:09.59 | fir_ed | danols_work, ty |
| 13:10.11 | RxDx | i just installed hostapd on my Debian Squeezy, when someone tries to connect on my network (AP) my system freezes (crash)... I notice that process called "ksoftirqd/0" is getting high load... please, anyone knows why is it happening? |
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| 13:18.15 | DammitJim | what is a good tool to test a hard drive for bad sectors and stuff? |
| 13:18.17 | DammitJim | nothing too complicated |
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| 13:18.37 | DammitJim | e2fsck? |
| 13:18.53 | ChrisH | DammitJim: dd? smartmontools? |
| 13:18.58 | DammitJim | oh, but this silly thing has an ntfs partition |
| 13:19.55 | DammitJim | maybe I should just use S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 13:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: there's an ntfs.fsck somewhere. |
| 13:23.23 | jhutchins_wk | fsck.ntfs probably. |
| 13:23.44 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: smart looks at the basic physical layer, not at the filesystem. |
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| 13:25.31 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: He wants to look for bad sectors and co... smartmontools seem to be a good starting point. I still recommend to dd-read the disk at least once to force it touching all sectors once. |
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| 13:28.46 | lowtax | how do i configure the network in debian, when i start i tup it doesnt load eth0 and if i do ifup eth0 it doesnt have any default gateway applied from the config file |
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| 13:29.25 | homes | man interfaces |
| 13:29.34 | filePeter | lowtax: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:29.40 | lowtax | i already did |
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| 13:30.01 | pclov3r | On my tablet now lol |
| 13:30.14 | homes | then you should be asking a different question, lowtax |
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| 13:30.31 | lowtax | why doesnt it apply my gateway |
| 13:30.37 | homes | show us your interfaces file |
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| 13:31.48 | lowtax | iface eth0 inet static |
| 13:32.00 | lowtax | address |
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| 13:32.02 | lowtax | netmask |
| 13:32.03 | lowtax | gateway |
| 13:32.12 | themill | lowtax: please use a pastebin |
| 13:32.24 | lowtax | no need |
| 13:32.29 | lowtax | and cant copy and paste |
| 13:32.54 | lowtax | where do you put routes |
| 13:33.05 | themill | then please use something like "pastebinit" to show us the entire file |
| 13:33.21 | lowtax | some idiot configured it on ubuntu with the graphical thing and its interrfaces file is blank |
| 13:33.32 | lowtax | so i cant just copy the settings |
| 13:33.38 | themill | umm... so this isn't even debian? |
| 13:33.46 | lowtax | im on debian |
| 13:33.56 | themill | so what does ubuntu have to do with it? |
| 13:34.03 | lowtax | old system |
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| 13:39.45 | lowtax | where are routes defined |
| 13:40.11 | filePeter | lowtax: Ask it on a ubuntu channel. |
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| 13:40.36 | lowtax | why? |
| 13:40.39 | lowtax | im not using ubuntu |
| 13:40.45 | filePeter | lowtax: It uses a seperate network-manager something. |
| 13:40.58 | linux | . |
| 13:41.10 | filePeter | lowtax: Uh. you said s1th about „somebody configured it on ubuntu“ |
| 13:41.10 | lowtax | filePeter: what is your point |
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| 13:41.37 | filePeter | lowtax: put a gateway to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:41.45 | homes | perhaps you should try using ubuntu |
| 13:41.55 | lowtax | i have a gateway it just says SIOCADDR unavailable or osmething |
| 13:42.16 | filePeter | lowtax: so that’s your problem then. |
| 13:42.25 | lowtax | yea |
| 13:42.57 | pclov3r | How old is irc lol |
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| 13:44.54 | ChrisH | Once upon a time before someone thought that lol was funny, it happened that IRC was invented. early 1990 it became famous |
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| 13:45.00 | filePeter | lowtax: Maybe smth with your netmask? (google says so - it’s a problem of “route”-command) |
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| 13:45.45 | pclov3r | Usenet is older but i still use it |
| 13:47.15 | pclov3r | Are you scared to use dd? |
| 13:47.38 | pclov3r | For anybody |
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| 13:48.23 | Camber | Hi all, could anyone lend a hand in a problem with error logging in apache2 on debian, please? |
| 13:48.45 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Camber about ask |
| 13:48.53 | Nik05 | ChrisH you know lol is fun in dutch..? |
| 13:49.04 | RxDx | I wanna make a backup of my HD, so Ill use dd command. Is there anyway to ensure dd copy ONLY the things that I installed? I mean, my HD has 4gb, when I installed Debian i just use 600mb.. I wanna a copy of dd that has just 600mb (the exactly 600mb that are using by the programs installed).. |
| 13:49.09 | Nik05 | so i think lol meant fun before irc existed |
| 13:49.32 | ChrisH | Nik05: My dutch is really limited, even living near to the duch border. |
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| 13:50.03 | frostschutz | RxDx: dd is not aware of filesystem contents, so it will copy the entire device regardless what's on it. maybe you want partimage/fsarchiver/tar/dar/rsync/etc. |
| 13:50.12 | ChrisH | RxDx: Sounds like dd is the wrong approach as dd make an image. |
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| 13:50.49 | RxDx | ok, but I need a program that makes this kind of copy on a terminal (no GUI).. what should I use? |
| 13:50.50 | Nik05 | doesnt matter ChrisH :P lol is older the irc :P |
| 13:51.27 | ChrisH | RxDx: tar/cp or dd the debian partion only. |
| 13:51.27 | damaxus | RxDx: i think partimage will do what you want |
| 13:51.55 | RxDx | thanks a lot frostschutz, ChrisH, damaxus :) |
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| 13:51.58 | Camber | I'm using fail2ban, which is looking at the error.log file, and it seems to be expecting a 'file does not exist' error, but they don't seem to be showing up in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 13:52.02 | RxDx | ill search for them :) |
| 13:52.42 | Camber | I had some file does not exist (or at least page not found) errors reported by drupal today, but they haven't appeared in error.log. Any ideas? |
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| 13:54.04 | atomic | Hi everyone. I have an application I have been working on, that I'd like to see packaged for Debian. Could anyone give me some advice on this ...? |
| 13:54.27 | Nik05 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 13:54.28 | ChrisH | Camber: in my standard debin setup it works in error.log: [Thu Oct 25 15:53:50 2012] [error] [client 192.168.10.43] File does not exist: /var/www/gibbetnicht.html |
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| 13:55.22 | Camber | ChrisH: Same! I have an error for favicon.ico not existing, but not the pages that don't exist as reported by my drupal install. |
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| 13:57.04 | Camber | ChrisH: Oh wait, drupal sending back a 404 is not the same as a file not found, surely! |
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| 13:59.08 | ChrisH | Camber: it could be PHP sending back the 404 not apache, but I am not sure |
| 13:59.51 | Camber | Ok I think I'm one step closer to the solution :D Thanks |
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| 14:04.38 | nabblet | hi, what does the hardware requirements for a mulit-seat system depend on mostly (using one monitor split-screen)? monitor size? GUI? applications used? |
| 14:05.54 | jelly | 1monitor2seats |
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| 14:08.43 | ChrisH | nabblet: Mainly from applications. I run a dual screen KDE with (1920x1200 and 1280x1024) on a 4GB 1.8GHZ Pentium M |
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| 14:09.42 | nabblet | ChrisH, kde4? |
| 14:10.34 | ChrisH | nabblet: I think so: kdebase-bin 4:4.4.5-2 |
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| 14:11.13 | nabblet | ChrisH, wow... isn't it slow? |
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| 14:13.06 | ChrisH | nabblet: no. Its OK. 2-3 Instances of iceweasel, 1x icedove, 1x chromium and OO open by default |
| 14:14.40 | nabblet | ChrisH, wow... did you do any tweaking |
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| 14:16.07 | nabblet | ChrisH, i run kde4 on much stronger machines and i really note a difference in speed compared to gnome2 (have to say that i use fluxbox - that might influence my perception) |
| 14:16.32 | nabblet | ChrisH, btw, thank you for your comment on the mulitseat question :) |
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| 14:27.12 | stradade | hi |
| 14:27.55 | stradade | can i install php 5 in debian 3.1 ? |
| 14:28.32 | stradade | i read this guide http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/php5.htm but i miss some dependencies |
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| 14:28.37 | stradade | can someone help me ? |
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| 14:28.47 | rozie | stradade: don't use 3.1 |
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| 14:29.33 | stradade | i have a old server with a postfix mail server inside i cant upgrade this server and i only need php5 |
| 14:29.49 | ksk | awesum |
| 14:30.03 | rozie | you can upgrade |
| 14:30.06 | stradade | its impossible ? |
| 14:30.08 | rozie | or you don't need php5 |
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| 14:30.30 | rozie | nothing's impossible |
| 14:30.52 | stradade | i think for me could be impossible :) |
| 14:31.12 | stradade | if i upgrade i can lose the server mail and stop my client work |
| 14:31.16 | stradade | he can kill me |
| 14:31.19 | stradade | understand me ?? |
| 14:31.20 | stradade | :) |
| 14:31.32 | ksk | wtf. how about backups? |
| 14:31.33 | rozie | is it important client? |
| 14:31.44 | rozie | I mean: he pays a lot? |
| 14:31.53 | stradade | he pay me at the end of the month so he is :) |
| 14:32.04 | rozie | *a lot*? |
| 14:32.08 | stradade | i can heat thx to him :) |
| 14:32.17 | stradade | i can *eat thx to him :) |
| 14:32.23 | rozie | hire someone to do the upgrade |
| 14:32.38 | bartus | hello, how to get framebuffer tty without using gfxmode in grub ? |
| 14:32.42 | ksk | one really needed to pay me *a lot* to maintain a debian 3.1 server for him :D |
| 14:32.43 | ChrisH | stradade: no. If its important then there is a backup strategy and if its realy important there are a) stand-by system b) a test system to evaluate upgrades and co. |
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| 14:33.45 | rozie | I wonder how much you'll be suprprised if system gets hacked due to bug in <whatever> |
| 14:33.58 | stradade | i tought could be a backdoor source list for so easy module installation.... |
| 14:34.01 | nabblet | in case it's not already hacked |
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| 14:34.51 | rozie | stradade: anyway, you can try to run chroot on this machine. with modern version inside |
| 14:35.14 | rozie | not recommended solution, but may work |
| 14:36.04 | stradade | anyone of u want query me for a working sourcelist ?? |
| 14:36.06 | ChrisH | stradade: create a VM from the real system and test upgrading there until it worked. But getting the box to a current version is strongly recommended. |
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| 14:36.26 | stradade | :) |
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| 14:45.26 | somiaj | at least if you want support. You are welcome of course to compile your own php and make a debian package form it (look up backports). But yes upgrade to a supported version and you'll get more support. |
| 14:46.08 | apm1 | so when are we gonna start talking jessie on the mailing list ;) |
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| 14:47.51 | apm1 | iirc no strategy for jessie has been set yet ? |
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| 14:49.10 | Shutdown | hi everybody[ |
| 14:49.15 | apm1 | hi |
| 14:49.54 | Shutdown | how can i change the foreground color of my conole to cyan (plasma color)? |
| 14:50.22 | apm1 | Shutdown, gnome terminal ? |
| 14:51.07 | Shutdown | apm1: no. real text mode (/dev/tty1) |
| 14:51.08 | apm1 | if yes click on edit in the top menu and select profile |
| 14:51.32 | apm1 | Shutdown, i can't help you then :( |
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| 14:52.02 | Shutdown | apm1: ok, no problem. At least you tried. :) |
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| 14:52.32 | somiaj | Shutdown: Not sure now to just change the color, maybe look at /etc/inittab, but in some cases that is done by the framebuffer |
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| 14:54.10 | somiaj | Shutdown: google suggest you look at setterm |
| 14:54.13 | somiaj | Shutdown: so man setterm |
| 14:54.20 | dkr | there is a way to use svga for your console(via kernel option? haven't used it myself), I'd guess if you use that it would be easier to change colors |
| 14:54.51 | somiaj | setterm -background cyan -foreground white -store |
| 14:56.34 | somiaj | nope seems the -background and -foreground options only effect virtuial consoles |
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| 14:58.20 | apm1 | how come knoopix has colored dmesg , hmm so getting color in a real tty is possible :p |
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| 14:58.49 | RxDx | i just installed hostapd on my Debian Squeezy, after a while or when someone tries to connect on my network (AP) my system freezes (crash)... I notice that process called "ksoftirqd/0" is getting high load... please, anyone knows why is it happening? |
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| 15:00.20 | apm1 | RxDx, there are still ~ 1200 bugs left in wheezy :( |
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| 15:01.00 | RxDx | apm1: im using squeezy |
| 15:01.22 | RxDx | anyway.. i dont think that the problem is a bug, cuz its running ok on the other routers configured by the same way |
| 15:01.24 | apm1 | RxDx, i too am , on both of my computers :) |
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| 15:02.19 | apm1 | RxDx, you should report the issue in the BTS , i believe :) |
| 15:02.30 | RxDx | apm1: what is BTS? |
| 15:02.36 | RxDx | bug track system ==x |
| 15:02.38 | RxDx | =x |
| 15:02.47 | apm1 | yes |
| 15:03.02 | RxDx | apm1: ok.. thanks :) |
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| 15:03.11 | RxDx | maybe its a bug, cuz I have no output errors anyway |
| 15:04.02 | apm1 | i once requested for native EFI support in 2010 , and now hola we have it in wheezy beta 3 , thanks to steve :) |
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| 15:04.54 | apm1 | it was BTS that makes devs like steve listen to us users ;) |
| 15:05.02 | apm1 | *is |
| 15:05.17 | dury | hi there all :-) |
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| 15:05.34 | apm1 | dury, hi |
| 15:05.48 | dury | apml: hi there |
| 15:06.02 | dury | apml: busy? |
| 15:06.13 | apm1 | nah just chillin |
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| 15:07.22 | dury | apml: what's the command in terminal to see my ip assign my isp? |
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| 15:07.51 | dury | apml: assign by my isp? |
| 15:08.09 | apm1 | dury, let me google it for you XD |
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| 15:10.24 | dury | apml: I did /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:11.01 | dury | apml: but it gives me the local one |
| 15:11.35 | dkr | dury: connect to the admin interface of your cabel/dsl modem |
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| 15:12.25 | dury | dkr: hang on |
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| 15:13.14 | dkr | route | grep default will probably show the ip address of said router/modem. you can put that in your web browser. |
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| 15:14.30 | dkr | alternatively, we could just tell you what ip address you are connected to here from. :) 235.85-86-226.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es has address 85.86.226.235 |
| 15:14.46 | LtL | dury: ip addr should list your local address, if it doesn't show more than local, it's not up |
| 15:14.53 | choochoo | wget -qO - http://ifconfig.me |
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| 15:15.11 | LtL | dury: ifconfig should also |
| 15:15.40 | mocca | hi try type this in terminal - wget http://checkip.dyndns.org/ -q -O - | grep -Eo '\<[[:digit:]]{1,3}(\.[[:digit:]]{1,3}){3}\>' |
| 15:16.22 | dkr | with the caveat that wget/web solutions can be foiled by proxies |
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| 15:16.56 | choochoo | sry, wget -qO - http://ifconfig.me/ip |
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| 15:18.02 | LtL | i misread, i thought he said local |
| 15:19.08 | ChrisH | choochoo: Cooooooooool... I wrote ugly scripts to parse the output from my router using wget,lynx and other tools. |
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| 15:21.13 | jelly | mocca: parsing html with regexps? Read http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags |
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| 15:21.42 | dury | wget -qO - http://ifconfig.me/ip this works |
| 15:21.57 | dury | thanks |
| 15:23.00 | mocca | thanks |
| 15:23.59 | dkr | jelly: this is one of those simple situations where that rule of thumb does not apply, I think. :) he's just looking for an ip address in the output. not really parsing the html. :) |
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| 15:27.50 | Shadow`_ | 8 |
| 15:28.00 | jelly | 7 |
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| 15:28.27 | Shadow`_ | accidental keypress ;/ |
| 15:28.41 | Shadow`_ | although the 8 matches the win8 launch that started around nwo |
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| 15:34.41 | Shutdown | somiaj: i just was reading the setterm's manual |
| 15:34.59 | Shutdown | somiaj: thanks for the help |
| 15:35.28 | Shutdown | and now my font is cyan colored :) |
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| 15:44.02 | zrr | Hello debian testing here. Opengl does not work. How do I make it work. |
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| 15:46.37 | ksk | zrr: does not work is not useful. |
| 15:46.44 | ksk | anyways, testing ist not that welcome in here |
| 15:46.52 | ksk | you better check debian-next on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:47.19 | zrr | ksk, OK, thanks |
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| 15:53.57 | cjdavies | is there an easy way to install gold 2.21 in squeeze? |
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| 15:57.22 | intore | hi, i have a virtual network using VBox with Squeeze Server and 2 ubuntu clients. Am still trying to grant internet access for the 2 clients but i can't and i don't know what must to do. I don't know if i have to change iptables rules or what, could someone help me please? |
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| 15:59.03 | ChrisH | intore: assuming VBox means Virtual Box, run the virtualbox GUI and NAT or bridge the Clients Netwerk interface. |
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| 16:03.16 | intore | ChanServ, VBox is Virtual Box. I created 4 virtual interfaces using tunctl (2 for the server and 1 and 1 for the clients) and 2 virtual bridges. I set some iptables rules before to grant internet access only to the server but know i want that the virtual server grants internet access to the clients |
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| 16:03.55 | jelly | zrr: did it ever work on this machine? Which graphics card do you have and which driver is in use? |
| 16:04.44 | zrr | jelly: It works on windows, the card is an intel 915gm, but I don't know the driver version |
| 16:04.50 | jelly | cjdavies: the ld alternative? |
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| 16:05.25 | intore | ChrisH, do you understand what i want? |
| 16:05.41 | jelly | zrr: alright. Please pastebin the outputs of "xdriinfo" and "glxinfo" |
| 16:05.44 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:05.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:06.45 | jelly | cjdavies: there is no backport of binutils >= 2.21 for squeeze, so I guess there's no _easy_ way |
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| 16:07.00 | zrr | jelly: OK, will do |
| 16:07.48 | cjdavies | jelly: I realised the easy thing to do is debootstrap wheezy |
| 16:08.09 | cjdavies | I'#m currently using a debootstrap of squeeze |
| 16:08.23 | cjdavies | shouldn't take long to debootstrap wheezy & install the same packages |
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| 16:08.28 | cjdavies | with any luck... |
| 16:08.30 | jelly | zrr: i915GM is old -- compiz will barely work with it, and stutter on many effects |
| 16:08.48 | cjdavies | hm, if I have ccache filled with stuff from ld, will I need to clear that before using gold? |
| 16:09.03 | zrr | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/203548/ |
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| 16:09.27 | ChrisH | intore: not really understood. But first idea would be: set default gateway from clients to the server and enable ip-forwarding or NAT it. |
| 16:09.37 | zrr | jelly: also I know irs old but it's onboard in this laptop and no expansion slots. I'm not into heavy graphics anyway |
| 16:09.39 | somiaj | cjdavies: why not try and upgrade your squeeze to wheezy, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy -- of course this is still in the testing stage, it works in lots of cases. |
| 16:09.43 | zrr | *irs its |
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| 16:10.02 | cjdavies | somiaj: because it will be quicker to debootsrap wheezy than break & fix squeeze ;) |
| 16:10.28 | somiaj | cjdavies: yes but the debian team needs feedback...(: |
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| 16:10.45 | cjdavies | somiaj: and I need to maintain productivity ;P |
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| 16:11.09 | jelly | cjdavies: righto. Assuming it can be bootstrapped at all <g> (glibc too new to work on RHEL5) |
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| 16:12.46 | eugenmayer | hello, upgraded my debian stable today and now (its a proxmox busybox) its totally broken, means, i cant reboot, typing dmesg results in a segfault |
| 16:12.48 | eugenmayer | any ideas? |
| 16:13.51 | eugenmayer | oh holy… /etc » ll |
| 16:13.51 | eugenmayer | ls: reading directory .: Input/output error |
| 16:14.00 | eugenmayer | that does look very ugly |
| 16:14.06 | somiaj | cjdavies: then why not wait till wheezy is stablized.....:D |
| 16:14.26 | intore | ChrisH, well, the server has two taps, tap0 (10.1.1.2) for internet access and tap1 (10.1.2.2) for internal lan. The default gateway for the clients is 10.1.2.2 (server tap1). |
| 16:14.27 | somiaj | eugenmayer: upgraded your debian stable? From what version to what version exactaly? |
| 16:14.46 | ChrisH | eugenmayer: df -h --> filesystem full? |
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| 16:14.49 | cjdavies | somiaj: you got me there ;) |
| 16:15.00 | eugenmayer | somiaj: no major upgrade, just some packages. still current stable, wast a dist upgrade |
| 16:15.09 | eugenmayer | ChrisH: not full, already checked, 15% usage |
| 16:15.14 | jelly | zrr: run them as the user that started X, not as root |
| 16:15.26 | zrr | jelly, OK |
| 16:15.47 | somiaj | eugenmayer: so you are running squeeze then? Do you have unoffical sources or are you mixing testing packages. Upgrading squeeze to the sercuirty/bug fixed packages should not cause such issues. |
| 16:15.55 | eugenmayer | tmp usr var home can be read |
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| 16:16.11 | somiaj | eugenmayer: try 'ls /' do you stll get an input/output error? |
| 16:16.26 | eugenmayer | somiaj: yes, its squeeze = proxmox sources ( thats basicaly a kernel ). Not a debian frankestein |
| 16:16.40 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 16:16.40 | eugenmayer | somiaj: no, ls / works |
| 16:16.41 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 16:17.06 | zrr | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/203551/ |
| 16:17.20 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam not looking for proxmox support. That is no proxmox issue, i just want to know what you people suggest. For, looks like maybe an I/O hdd issue? |
| 16:17.27 | Mogget | Hey guys. I have made a service and man files for documentation. I installed the service in /usr/local/share/foo. Should the man files then go in /usr/local/share/man then? |
| 16:17.31 | eugenmayer | i just dont want to hard reset and never see the system again |
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| 16:17.40 | somiaj | eugenmayer: well it is not debian, it is based on debian. So I cannot guess as to what they have done. was /etc on another partition? have you checked dmesg to see what other disk errors you might have |
| 16:18.03 | jelly | eugenmayer: what if it's a kernel issue? |
| 16:18.04 | somiaj | eugenmayer: if you are running proxmox then it is a proxmox issue. Don't make it a debian issue because it is based on debian. |
| 16:18.04 | ChrisH | eugenmayer: does it log into files ? check them |
| 16:18.23 | eugenmayer | somiaj: no, one partition for / (including tmp) and only one for swap. Its a very very basic squeeze, nothing changed. I have never seen such a thing, we have arround 40 squeeze boxes |
| 16:18.40 | jelly | zrr: huh. Is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 16:18.49 | eugenmayer | somiaj: iam not suggesting that "debian guys broke it". |
| 16:19.20 | eugenmayer | ChrisH: tail /var/log/dmesg 1 ↵ |
| 16:19.21 | eugenmayer | tail: error reading `/var/log/dmesg': Input/output error |
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| 16:19.32 | jelly | eugenmayer: dmesg is also a command |
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| 16:20.00 | intore | ChrisH, is it more clear my scenario now? the client can ping until tap0 (sever tap0 for internet access) but i can't ping beyond |
| 16:20.12 | somiaj | eugenmayer: It does sound like a bad harddrive, but it is strange these issues started right after an upgrade. I would double check what was upgraded. A bad kernel could cause strange issues |
| 16:20.17 | eugenmayer | jelly: if its a kernel issue, and iam pretty sure you are suggesting right, iam not asking for help. Just a suggestion if you "smell" someting. Fixing this will be my duty anyway..iam just glad for any suggestion |
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| 16:20.32 | zrr | jelly, yes it appears to be installed |
| 16:20.48 | eugenmayer | somiaj: yeah, sounds reasonable..i just dont think that raid1 both HDD exploded after an upgrade… Thanks |
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| 16:21.05 | ChrisH | intore: enable IP routing/forwarding on the server |
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| 16:21.34 | intore | ChrisH, using iptables? |
| 16:21.35 | somiaj | eugenmayer: oh so you have a raid1? Is it software or hardware? Could the instructions to read the raid device correctly have broken during the upgrade? |
| 16:21.37 | jelly | zrr: alright then. pastebin the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log file, also your "lspci -nn" output, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists |
| 16:21.46 | eugenmayer | somiaj: hardware |
| 16:21.46 | ChrisH | intore: using sysctl |
| 16:22.17 | eugenmayer | somiaj: since dmesg is dead, including all binaries, i cant check. But again, reasonable suggestion |
| 16:22.34 | somiaj | eugenmayer: but input/output errors are most likely bad drive or bad kernel -- maybe some versions of your modules changed during the upgrade and they aren't working with your running kernel. |
| 16:22.43 | eugenmayer | somiaj: iam asking over in proxmox if anything like this is know, otherwise i guess iam running into a hw issue |
| 16:22.48 | ChrisH | intore: check sysctl -a | grep forw |
| 16:23.11 | intore | ChrisH, on the server? |
| 16:23.22 | ChrisH | intore: enable IP routing/forwarding on the server |
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| 16:23.42 | eugenmayer | somiaj: it could be broken raid drivers..because we have 2 identical boxes, both proxmox, one is broken, one not … but the not broken one has a sw raid |
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| 16:24.08 | eugenmayer | somiaj: thank you a lot, i guess those were some nice suggestions…going to dive into this |
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| 16:24.53 | jelly | eugenmayer: let's not mince words -- you're asking for help, and are using a system that has a third party kernel and maybe more. My wild-ass-guess would be to hunt for clues in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:25.10 | intore | ChrisH, every line is "0" |
| 16:25.14 | eugenmayer | jelly: cant do this, both cant be read ;/ |
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| 16:25.29 | jelly | eugenmayer: dmesg command does not work? |
| 16:25.35 | eugenmayer | doesnt. segfault |
| 16:25.48 | eugenmayer | yeah, sounds veery bad. |
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| 16:25.50 | jelly | cat /proc/kmsg might |
| 16:26.00 | eugenmayer | that works |
| 16:26.03 | jelly | boot from a good livecd. |
| 16:26.18 | eugenmayer | <2>EXT2-fs error (device sda1): ext2_get_inode: unable to read inode block - inode=26, block=35 |
| 16:26.19 | eugenmayer | <2>EXT2-fs error (device sda1): ext2_get_inode: unable to read inode block - inode=34, block=36 |
| 16:26.28 | babilen | Isn't OpenVZ completely dead and abandoned? |
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| 16:26.45 | eugenmayer | babilen: could be, no idea - we are not using it |
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| 16:27.05 | alinux | hi |
| 16:27.12 | eugenmayer | <1>Read-error on swap-device (253:1:4152) .. |
| 16:27.13 | eugenmayer | <2>EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_find_entry: reading directory #49153 offset 0 |
| 16:27.18 | babilen | eugenmayer: Why are you not asking http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support ? |
| 16:27.18 | PigDude | hi, I have this crontab for my regular user: @daily /home/$USER/bin/daily |
| 16:27.26 | PigDude | it never gets run, it seems |
| 16:27.35 | PigDude | $USER is my username, I just replaced that here |
| 16:27.39 | alinux | I am using memtest during startup to check if I have any problems in my 16GB of memory, however memalloc only locks 2.x GB ...but free in OS shows 16GB |
| 16:28.00 | eugenmayer | PigDude: be sure to not suffix the crontab sciprt with .sh |
| 16:28.12 | PigDude | eugenmayer, I edit crontab with crontab -e |
| 16:28.34 | eugenmayer | PigDude: ah thought you are using .daily .monthly |
| 16:28.35 | PigDude | eugenmayer, the @daily script is bash |
| 16:28.38 | PigDude | nop |
| 16:28.50 | PigDude | rather, let me put it this way: |
| 16:29.00 | PigDude | if I run `daily` when logged in, everything happens as expected |
| 16:29.02 | eugenmayer | PigDude: user the pipes to log std in / std err into a file and see if its just an ENV issue |
| 16:29.27 | eugenmayer | PigDude: sometimes, during cron runs, you are missing specific ENV vars/settings |
| 16:29.34 | PigDude | how might it be an ENV issue? note that $USER is there only because I redacted the username for this chat |
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| 16:30.17 | PigDude | this is bin/daily: https://raw.github.com/gist/a413b390217579dc8f5f/3e7ef9e5a90c3e662e8a8624cba0ecf223b4d0d8/gistfile1.sh |
| 16:30.32 | PigDude | is there a chance the ~ is not expanded or something? |
| 16:30.49 | PigDude | shouldn't crontab i edit as my user with crontab -e be run as my user? |
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| 16:31.17 | eugenmayer | PigDude: iam pretty sure that stuff like .bash_rc and .profile are NOT run by the cron user |
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| 16:31.33 | PigDude | that should not be an issue. |
| 16:31.43 | zrr | jelly, Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/203554/ lspci -nn: http://paste.debian.net/203555/ xorg.conf doesn't exist: http://paste.debian.net/203556/ |
| 16:31.56 | PigDude | as I provide absolute path in the crontab, and all of the executables in this file are in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 16:32.04 | PigDude | in fact, I believe all are /usr/bin |
| 16:32.15 | eugenmayer | PigDude: pipe the output of a bash script running ENV…check the result |
| 16:32.17 | PigDude | is there a way to fake a cron run? |
| 16:32.27 | eugenmayer | google debug cron |
| 16:32.29 | PigDude | I don't know how to do what you describe |
| 16:32.39 | PigDude | okay, i could've done that in the first place, i guess i'll just do that now |
| 16:32.39 | PigDude | thanks |
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| 16:33.01 | eugenmayer | dude, try google "debug cron" |
| 16:33.04 | eugenmayer | first hit. |
| 16:33.20 | Guest76459 | film |
| 16:33.24 | PigDude | is there a way to run cron? |
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| 16:33.34 | PigDude | to simulate it, I mean |
| 16:33.46 | PigDude | so I could observe this in my shell |
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| 16:35.57 | ChrisH | intore: enable it... put sysctl and the forward line into google to get the syntax |
| 16:37.03 | cjdavies | anybody know why in wheezy after install binutils, stdc, c++, etc. & ccache I don't have /usr/lib/ccache/c++ ? |
| 16:37.11 | intore | ChrisH, yes thanks, am reading about it |
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| 16:39.25 | babilen | cjdavies: AFAICT that file is not in any package. What makes you think that it should be? |
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| 16:40.37 | cjdavies | babilen: I have 2x debian chroots set up, one stable & one testing, I installed the same packages (but different versions) in each & the stable one has /usr/lib/ccache/c++ but the testing doesn't? |
| 16:40.47 | cjdavies | afaik ccache should have a c++ binary |
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| 16:41.45 | bitonic | why is there a `mozplugger' package in stable and unstable but not in testing? |
| 16:41.58 | cjdavies | babilen: compare the two installs, I don't understand it --> http://paste2.org/p/2380499 |
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| 16:42.45 | babilen | cjdavies: Well, there are some changes between wheezy and squeeze. Lets investigate -- You might want to read "/msg dpkg apt-file" in the meanwhile |
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| 16:43.56 | bitonic | and no mozplugger in experimental either. is it "every other release" :P? |
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| 16:44.00 | bitonic | <http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mozplugger&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all> |
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| 16:45.50 | babilen | cjdavies: That file is definitely not in wheezy -- Reading the changelog might make sense. All I can see for now is that ccache in wheezy comes with bin/ccache (which is not surprising) -- Are you sure that there *should* be a ccache/c++ ? (as in: not having that is a (serious?) bug) |
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| 16:47.30 | babilen | cjdavies: You might also want to investigate /usr/sbin/update-ccache-symlinks and /usr/share/doc/ccache/README.Debian |
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| 16:48.20 | cjdavies | babilen: ah, the update-ccache-symlinks seems to have done something |
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| 16:49.25 | babilen | cjdavies: Would you consider this a bug? |
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| 16:50.06 | cjdavies | babilen: not sure tbh; every time that I have installed ccache in the past on stable, I haven't needed to run the update, however I can't guarantee that I installed the packages in the same order on testing today |
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| 16:50.16 | babilen | cjdavies: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632779 |
| 16:50.34 | babilen | cjdavies: It always pays of to check the BTS |
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| 16:52.02 | cjdavies | babilen: so it does, apoligies for not checking first |
| 16:52.15 | cjdavies | these days I tend to get leazy & just vent on IRC |
| 16:52.33 | babilen | cjdavies: Well, we figured it out. Is /usr/sbin/update-ccache-symlinks creating the symlinks correctly is explicitly called? |
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| 16:53.33 | cjdavies | babilen: I believe so, yes |
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| 16:54.36 | babilen | cjdavies: Great |
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| 16:55.16 | cjdavies | babilen: thanks for all your help & patience :) |
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| 16:55.49 | babilen | you are welcome |
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| 16:56.05 | babilen | (had to understand the problem first) |
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| 16:56.38 | intore | ChrisH, am sorry, i've another question. I did a test setting temporarily to 1 the packet forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) and now the clients can ping the "external" virtual bridge and this is good but still i can't ping the router 192.168.1.1. Do you know why? |
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| 17:06.53 | gele | is there a kernel module or a fuse filesystem or anything else that can present a directory as a device file or image file with a filesystem containing the same files as that directory? |
| 17:07.45 | gele | i'm looking for something that will let me access a directory in a host from a guest running in qemu, without going through a network filesystem and without the limitations of qemu's virtual fat16 driver. |
| 17:08.27 | gele | it doesn't have to be writable. in fact, read-only is preferred. |
| 17:08.50 | jeep | gele: http ? |
| 17:09.22 | gele | jeep: that would be a network filesystem. all i've tried so far (nfs, sshfs) have been way, way, way too slow. |
| 17:09.44 | Ontology | Typically, I used these codes for .bashrc prompt colour: http://www.arwin.net/tech/bash_colors.png I am trying to figure out how to use codes like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Xterm_color_chart.png |
| 17:09.48 | gele | i have huge files, and i only need to read small bits of them at a time in the guest. |
| 17:10.14 | zrr | jelly, did you get a chance to look at my pastes? |
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| 17:12.03 | gele | if anyone have any ideas for tweaking network filesystems to make them faster (it can't be a bandwidth issue since the host and guest are on the same physical machine) that would be interesting too. |
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| 17:14.18 | AndChat|543881 | Hi |
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| 17:15.08 | jeep | gele: would it be faster to store the files on the host system and have the emulated os access them ? |
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| 17:18.55 | Zerobeholder | Morning everyone, can't get into #debian-next because I am not cool enough. Maybe have a bug for wheezy, that I would like help with possibly reporting since I didn't find a bug report (which doesn't mean it isn't there, I just didn't find one). |
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| 17:20.04 | intore | Hi |
| 17:20.15 | Ontology | Is it possible to use RGB or HEX instead of 'XX;XX' in bashrc for color? |
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| 17:21.06 | jeep | Zerobeholder: what kind of bug ? |
| 17:21.50 | Zerobeholder | machine# apt-cache policy imagemagick |
| 17:21.52 | Zerobeholder | imagemagick: |
| 17:21.54 | Zerobeholder | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.55 | Zerobeholder | machine# pecl install Imagick |
| 17:21.57 | Zerobeholder | ... |
| 17:21.58 | Guest92305 | I have a virtual machine kvm - and extended the image size - though I have an free partition in the machine I cannot extend my / partition - how would I do that? |
| 17:21.59 | Zerobeholder | checking if ImageMagick version is at least 6.2.4... configure: error: no. You need at least Imagemagick version 6.2.4 to use Imagick. |
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| 17:23.12 | Zerobeholder | pecl problem (http://pecl.php.net/package/imagick) debian problem? |
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| 17:24.16 | boudiccas | zerohhave you tried #debian-next on irc.debian.net ? |
| 17:24.30 | Zerobeholder | I would need invited... |
| 17:24.42 | Zerobeholder | I am not cool enough it seems. Story of my life. |
| 17:24.43 | boudiccas | zerohno you dont |
| 17:24.51 | boudiccas | on irc.debian.net |
| 17:25.03 | Zerobeholder | This channel is invite-only. You must have an invite from an existing member of the channel to join. |
| 17:25.07 | abrotman | Zerobeholder: you need the -dev package |
| 17:25.20 | boudiccas | it ios NOT on freenode, please see what i've wrotten |
| 17:25.26 | Zerobeholder | I see now |
| 17:25.32 | abrotman | boudiccas: or you could just answer the question .. it's not a testing/unstable question |
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| 17:25.44 | Zerobeholder | I have the dev package, well the replacement dev package anyways. |
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| 17:26.16 | abrotman | Zerobeholder: look at the configure script to see what it's looking for |
| 17:26.17 | zrr | jelly,are you there? I have to logoff in a few minutes |
| 17:26.34 | Zerobeholder | apt-get install php-pear imagemagick re2c php5-dev graphicksmagick graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | there are other -dev packages |
| 17:27.02 | Zerobeholder | I have imagemagick v.6.7 and it is saying I need at least 6.2 |
| 17:27.42 | Zerobeholder | Zerobeholdermachine# apt-cache policy imagemagick |
| 17:27.43 | Zerobeholder | Zerobeholderimagemagick: |
| 17:27.44 | Zerobeholder | ZerobeholderInstalled: 8:6.7.7.10-4 |
| 17:27.46 | Zerobeholder | Zerobeholdermachine# pecl install Imagick |
| 17:27.48 | Zerobeholder | Zerobeholder... |
| 17:27.49 | Zerobeholder | Zerobeholderchecking if ImageMagick version is at least 6.2.4... configure: error: no. You need at least Imagemagick version 6.2.4 to use Imagick. |
| 17:28.09 | abrotman | stop copying/pastying in the channel, i can read, but your'e ignoring what i said you should try |
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| 17:30.52 | Zerobeholder | The script in /tmp/pear/temp/imagick is gone. Downloading source from pecl.org. BRB |
| 17:31.15 | abrotman | right, keep ignoring me .. |
| 17:31.21 | themill | wonders wrong with php5-imagick |
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| 17:31.51 | bartus | Who to change default Xorg refresh rate. Now i have 60hz for Xserver and 75 for frame buffer, which results in my display being unaligned when switching from TTY to Xserver. |
| 17:31.52 | Zerobeholder | I'm not ignoring you, that is where the config script is, right? |
| 17:32.20 | gnarface | i don't know why anyone would put imagemagick in a website when libgd is so much faster |
| 17:32.30 | zrr | jelly thanks for the help so far, see you around |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | Zerobeholder: what else did i say? |
| 17:32.46 | Zerobeholder | the other dev files-- |
| 17:32.52 | abrotman | Zerobeholder: there are other -dev packages associated with imagemagick .. |
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| 17:34.47 | Zerobeholder | php-devel ? |
| 17:34.58 | gele | jeep: that is what i want to do, the files are on the host filesystem. but nfs is too slow (i don't know why) and qemu's built-in virtual fat driver that emulates a disk with a fat filesystem backed by a directory on the host emulates fat16, which can't handle large files. |
| 17:36.20 | Ontology | How can I use color codes like these in my .bashrc? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Xterm_color_chart.png |
| 17:36.33 | jeep | gele: do you have to use qemu ? |
| 17:37.16 | gele | jeep: i suppose any other virtual machine would work as long as it works with my existing images. |
| 17:37.43 | Zerobeholder | pear installer is good (pear install PEAR) |
| 17:38.21 | jeep | gele: virtualbox should work nice the drive images can be converted im 99% certain |
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| 17:38.31 | Zerobeholder | perusing http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/imagemagick now |
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| 17:39.15 | abrotman | ... |
| 17:39.15 | gele | jeep: does it have emulated disks backed by the host filesystem as well? |
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| 17:40.21 | jeep | gele: i use it with gps data files 100~mb files throught he built in file share its over network i never noticed any lag |
| 17:40.50 | gele | jeep: ok, i'll try. |
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| 17:41.36 | gele | hm, it doesn't seem to do kvm. |
| 17:41.37 | Zerobeholder | Not sure where I should be looking for the extra dev packages. The recommended and suggested packages for it don't seem to have anything to do with the pecl install fail. |
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| 17:41.45 | jeep | gele: the only thing i noticed in winxp sometime i have to "refresh" the directory im looking at to see the recent changes .. probably a setting to fix that but not sure |
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| 17:46.35 | Zerobeholder | looking in packages.debian.org/wheezy/libs/ now using CTRL + f to find 'magick' using dpkg to see if the results are installed. |
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| 17:51.59 | Zerobeholder | php5-dev is latest version |
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| 17:52.42 | Zerobeholder | libmagick9-dev |
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| 17:54.08 | Zerobeholder | not found, but replaced by However the following packages replace it: graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat which is installed to get the wand functionality-- which succeeds in the configuration output. |
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| 17:55.31 | somiaj | Zerobeholder: why not use apt-cache search or aptitude search to see what packages you can find? |
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| 17:56.59 | somiaj | also a good place is to look in configure.log (or config.log) and see exactly which command failed when testing to see if you have the right imagemagick version |
| 17:57.56 | Zerobeholder | I have version 6.7 installed confirmed by apt-cache and dpkg. The error I am getting is that it needs version 6.2+ . |
| 17:58.26 | Zerobeholder | looking in the log now and the configure script next. |
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| 17:58.40 | somiaj | but you are not looking in the logs to see what command failed. That is sometimes very useful in seeing why it cannot detect the version you are running |
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| 17:59.12 | somiaj | as in the issue could be with how the configure script is detecting if you have the correct imagemagick version installed |
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| 18:05.27 | Zerobeholder | machine# find / -name configure.log machine# find / -name config.log --no results. |
| 18:05.28 | Zerobeholder | Into the config script to see if I can find the place where the comparison goes bad. |
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| 18:06.07 | adek05 | I want to strace process of other user |
| 18:06.17 | adek05 | But I get that operation is not permitted... why? |
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| 18:07.03 | adek05 | I came across various fixes for this, mostly for ubuntu, where one need to set /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope to 1, but there is no such file in debian |
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| 18:10.51 | remote | adek05: it doesn't has to do with Debian or ubuntu it's a linux module introduced in 3.4 - http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.4 |
| 18:11.10 | remote | adek05: you can strace other users processes with proper privileges |
| 18:12.11 | adek05 | My kernel is... 2.6.32 |
| 18:12.36 | adek05 | remote: What are those privileges that I may need? |
| 18:12.55 | remote | root, yo |
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| 18:13.15 | adek05 | remote: only? |
| 18:13.23 | remote | try it already |
| 18:13.36 | adek05 | root works, I know, but I need other users to be able to ptrace other |
| 18:13.44 | remote | why? |
| 18:14.21 | adek05 | Suppose I run a deamon as userX, and I as a developer want to be able to ptrace it |
| 18:14.22 | remote | you know there's much abuse potential in doing so right? |
| 18:14.39 | adek05 | On top of that I have SELinux |
| 18:14.50 | remote | then you install and configure sudo to allow devs to use strace as root |
| 18:15.12 | adek05 | Couldn't I allow all users strace other? |
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| 18:15.29 | remote | yes, with sudo |
| 18:15.37 | adek05 | How about without sudo? |
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| 18:15.50 | remote | i don't know but for sure with sudo |
| 18:16.00 | remote | selinux may allow you to do that |
| 18:16.11 | remote | try #selinux |
| 18:16.27 | dkr | a setuid root strace, now there is a big security hole. :) |
| 18:16.40 | remote | yeah that |
| 18:16.45 | adek05 | SELinux comes into action only when something goes through normal priviliges |
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| 18:17.11 | adek05 | So it is now specific to strace and some "basic" settings |
| 18:17.12 | remote | yeah I won't argue my knowledge of selinux is rather, poor. |
| 18:17.18 | Chat5472 | Ummmm Im kinda lost any help? |
| 18:17.32 | remote | what's wrong with sudo? |
| 18:17.46 | adek05 | Its painful |
| 18:17.51 | remote | for who? |
| 18:17.55 | adek05 | For me |
| 18:18.09 | remote | then set everybody's UID to 0 in /etc/passwd |
| 18:18.18 | Armand | O_O |
| 18:18.22 | remote | that's about as safe as allowing everyone to ptrace everything |
| 18:18.23 | Zerobeholder | so, I think the mask is wrong and telling the configure script that I have the wrong version |
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| 18:18.25 | Zerobeholder | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.05 | Zerobeholder | but I'm not sure how to edit this, what kind of script is this? .m4 |
| 18:19.16 | Chat5472 | Any one tell me how this lc works |
| 18:19.35 | remote | Zerobeholder: that looks like bash and awk ask in #bash |
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| 18:21.37 | Zerobeholder | make script |
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| 18:21.43 | Zerobeholder | reading about that now |
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| 18:23.06 | bluesm | I know it off topic a bit. |
| 18:23.10 | bluesm | But where I can find how to program in assembler on debian (or other linux distro) |
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| 18:24.42 | abrotman | bluesm: the language syntax? |
| 18:25.22 | remote | bluesm: try #asm |
| 18:25.30 | dkr | bluesm: aptitude install nasm and read the docs? heh |
| 18:25.51 | starenka | hello. pardon my noobish question, but i just can't get over it. how can i autologin a user and run a script? (no x here) |
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| 18:26.48 | starenka | i've tried editing editing /etc/inittab and setting 1st tty to "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -a pi -l /home/pi/battery/battery.sh 38400 tty1" but no wavail |
| 18:26.49 | remote | starenka: cron, at |
| 18:26.51 | starenka | *avail |
| 18:27.01 | remote | do you really need to login? |
| 18:27.14 | Getty | I dont wanna spawn! |
| 18:27.19 | starenka | yea, the script catches keystrokes and behaves as a sampler |
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| 18:27.32 | remote | i think you can replace /sbin/getty in there by a script |
| 18:27.43 | Getty | Dont replace me!!! :( <sad> |
| 18:28.09 | starenka | remote: what are consequences of doing that? |
| 18:28.17 | remote | you will be executing something else |
| 18:28.41 | starenka | yea, but will other things work (ssh, etc)? |
| 18:28.43 | Getty | but not bound to the tty!! that has nothing todo with that, if you give a command you must then organize that this command is writing to the specific tty |
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| 18:29.13 | Getty | the getty is ONLY the console, and this case ONLY tty1, so its only what you see when you hit Alt-F1, and it has nothing todo with anything else |
| 18:29.31 | Getty | and removing getty from tty1 is very very very very bad, cause when you have problems you want that getty there |
| 18:29.32 | starenka | ok, maybe more background. i have a rasberry pi. i wanna use it as a sampler. i don't have any monitor attached or keyboard attached |
| 18:30.03 | Getty | then you just ADD new stuff to the inittab which you want that it runs "all the time" |
| 18:30.12 | starenka | i just want it to boot and run my python script, which uses curses to catch keys (emited by makeymakey) |
| 18:30.13 | Getty | even tho be careful, its very brutal forcing way to have something running |
| 18:30.43 | Getty | ok if you need the keys then you should probably replace the tty1 getty and just be sure there are some still left on tty2< |
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| 18:31.29 | ChrisH | How will you get the output? Do you need output at all? |
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| 18:32.09 | starenka | makey makey sends keys via usb (so emulates some keys on keyb), my script just cathes them and make sounds (in short) |
| 18:32.16 | starenka | what do you mean by output? |
| 18:32.58 | ChrisH | starenka: is it needed to bind it to a tty? You can simply run it via inittab, to get it restarted in case it crashed. |
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| 18:33.56 | starenka | ChrisH: i have no idea how it works, so im in for anything... how do i do that? |
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| 18:34.11 | starenka | (still i want to be able to connec via ssh) |
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| 18:35.05 | starenka | ChrisH: i mean, it uses curses. works also via ssh. sorry don't know if that implies it needs tty |
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| 18:36.51 | ChrisH | starenka: inittab add a line like: se:2345:respawn:/home/pi/battery/battery.sh and init q done. |
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| 18:37.16 | ChrisH | starenka: But I assume you want to start the program via ssh, or am I completly off track? |
| 18:38.06 | starenka | ChrisH: nope i just want to start the machine which has this script started, that's it. i will ocassionally connect via ssh to do some unrelated stuff |
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| 18:39.46 | ChrisH | starenka: so this script does not write any output... I am a bit confused as you mentioned a curses Interface. Interface means interaction, but then you mention no input/output needed. |
| 18:40.40 | starenka | ChrisH: yes, it outputs some text, catches keys. so yes, it outputs something, but i don't need to see it. that's why i told you it has no output, sorry :( |
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| 18:42.11 | starenka | i need it to be able to catch keys, that's idea of a headless sampler (rompler). boot the machine, sampler is started, i connect keyb emulator with aligator clips and just drum my neighbours to death ;) |
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| 18:43.28 | ChrisH | starenka: then idea 2 edit /etc/inittab add a line like: se:2345:respawn:/home/pi/battery/battery.sh > /tmp/battery.sh.out 2>&1 run init q and hopefully this is what you want. You can check the output in /tmp/battey.sh.out for output; if not needed replace /tmp/battery.sh.out with /dev/null |
| 18:43.42 | ChrisH | starenka: where does it get these keys to sample from? |
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| 18:44.09 | starenka | from this (behaves like a keyboard) http://www.makeymakey.com/ |
| 18:44.47 | starenka | here's the shitty sampler of mine, if interested http://github.com/starenka/battery |
| 18:45.10 | starenka | running this on http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
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| 18:45.17 | starenka | (enough product placement) |
| 18:45.19 | starenka | ;) |
| 18:46.02 | Zerobeholder | so, it is a make file. And I really only need to look at the awk part since I think what is being pumped into awk is setting a variable |
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| 18:46.40 | ChrisH | starenka: Does it read from STDIN or is there a special connection between battery.sh and MakeyMakey? |
| 18:46.49 | starenka | stdin |
| 18:47.17 | starenka | (just get the script and try it on your computer, works with normal keyboard) |
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| 18:48.33 | Bombo | i found opencl-headers with apt-cache -n search opencl but where are the lib files? |
| 18:48.36 | ChrisH | starenka: stdin makes it difficult. I am not sure if it works the inittab way. You need to test it. ssh to the PI is not affected |
| 18:49.19 | bluesm | dkr , remote: Thanks :) |
| 18:49.46 | starenka | ChrisH: i will, gimme a sec. one more: what "run init q" means? |
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| 18:50.57 | Bombo | are there deb packages for squeeze for this cuda sdk? https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads |
| 18:51.37 | ChrisH | starenka: login to your PI als root and type: init q |
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| 18:52.22 | chipotle | is there a way to update only if there is a security update? i have a live server that i want to make sure i don't mess with the configs and adding features i don't need, nor haven't secured yet |
| 18:52.42 | starenka | ChrisH: it reruns inittab, right? |
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| 18:52.54 | ChrisH | starenka: more re-read |
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| 18:53.09 | ChrisH | starenka: ps -ef | grep bat should show the process afterwards |
| 18:54.00 | somiaj | chipotle: debian stable only gets security updates/bug fixes...there shouldnt' be any version changes that add features/change configs |
| 18:54.11 | chipotle | somiaj oh, heh |
| 18:54.16 | chipotle | well, can't a bug fix change config files? |
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| 18:54.28 | chipotle | even a security update...? |
| 18:54.38 | chipotle | does it give you the ability to diff the files that need to be changed, if it's a config? |
| 18:54.42 | somiaj | chipotle: debian stable is a frozen system and aims at providing security and stablity in that state |
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| 18:55.02 | starenka | ChrisH: script is running, the out file is empty, seems to not catching the keys |
| 18:55.02 | dkr | chipotle: yes |
| 18:55.07 | somiaj | chipotle: yes if there is a config file change, debconf will prompt you if you want to new matainers version or to keep your old version. |
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| 18:55.35 | somiaj | chipotle: and if there is an update in stable that breaks a currently working config file I would consider that a bug and file it. as in that shouldn't happen |
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| 18:56.36 | chipotle | somiaj so i should just run apt-get update && apt-get uprade --show-upgraded and expect everything to be fine? |
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| 18:57.01 | somiaj | if you want to be extra cautious, insatll apt-listchanges and it will tell you the changes from the changelogs |
| 18:57.10 | starenka | ChrisH: update it seems to run for a while but it dies (no output in output file, so no clue what happened) |
| 18:57.27 | somiaj | but yes as long as you have offical debian sources for stable along with security.debian.org sources for stable (squeeze) you can just upgrade and should be just fine |
| 18:57.43 | ChrisH | starenka: Thats what I was afraid off and why I asked for Output and co so often. hmmm. How is that keyboard/MakeyMakey connected? You mentioned no keyboard attached. |
| 18:58.43 | starenka | ChrisH: it's usb, i suppose it behaves like HID (sends couple keys + mouse clicks) |
| 18:58.58 | chipotle | somiaj what if you're using dotdeb for nginx and php-fpm? can you make it so you don't update anything in dotdeb's repos? |
| 18:59.32 | OldParr | bios losts configured settings but CR2032 battery has 3.18 V, i think battery is ok, what happens? |
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| 18:59.49 | somiaj | chipotle: dotdeb is known to break things, and is not supported here. |
| 18:59.50 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 18:59.51 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 19:00.08 | starenka | ChrisH: i think it could be worked around by adding it to zshrc or bashrc, but i take this as a last restort (+ i dunno how to autologin a user) |
| 19:00.13 | chipotle | somiaj well, i don't want to compile nginx and especially php-fpm, so i have no other choice |
| 19:00.34 | starenka | ChrisH: (and yes i know it would also start on ssh session :( ) |
| 19:00.37 | chipotle | so is there a way to skip a repo you don't want to upgrade when you run apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:01.01 | filePeter | chipotle: It’s called apt pinning, I think. |
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| 19:01.07 | ChrisH | starenka: You might need to get the script to directly from /dev/.../by-name/my-keyboard... this might need some config from user but could work |
| 19:01.26 | somiaj | chipotle: not that I can think of besides commenting out the repos after you got what you wanted and rerunning apt-get update |
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| 19:02.29 | somiaj | chipotle: but all of those unoffical repos are not supported here. |
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| 19:03.19 | remote | starenka: how did you configure it? |
| 19:03.19 | chipotle | somiaj so what if you add debian backports but don't want to upgrade that repo, just squeeze main? what would you have to do? |
| 19:03.37 | filePeter | chipotle: It’s called apt pinning, I think. |
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| 19:04.07 | somiaj | chipotle: by default debian-backports is pinned at a 1 (lower than everythign else) so they will not be upgraded by default |
| 19:04.07 | starenka | remote: no conf, it just works when plugged in |
| 19:04.16 | somiaj | chipotle: so I guess you could also change the pinning on the other repos |
| 19:04.21 | remote | ah |
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| 19:04.53 | derric | Hello, Is there a way to assign the value of a gawk field to a local script varible, or a global env varible. |
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| 19:04.59 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I reinstall a package with its dependencies? I just know apt-get install --reinstall. What about its dependencies? |
| 19:05.00 | starenka | ChrisH remote: i mean forget the thing about makey makey, think about it as a keyboard. boot the comp, login some user, and run a script which reads stdin |
| 19:05.10 | chipotle | somiaj okay, and how do i change the pinning? |
| 19:05.48 | somiaj | chipotle: read the man page or look up google. You have to set up the repos in the apt preferences/config files |
| 19:06.04 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: do you want to reinstall the dependencies of the dependencies of the dependencies as well? |
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| 19:06.51 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, I need a full re-installation... |
| 19:07.10 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, a full re-installation of openssh-server |
| 19:07.33 | starenka | ChrisH: this is from dmesg if it helps: |
| 19:07.39 | starenka | [ 3.350998] input: Arduino LLC Arduino Leonardo as /devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.2/input/input0 |
| 19:07.40 | starenka | [ 3.368498] generic-usb 0003:2341:8036.0001: input: USB HID v1.01 Mouse [Arduino LLC Arduino Leonardo] on usb-bcm2708_usb-1.2/input2 |
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| 19:07.50 | remote | you can purge the package's files, why do you need to reinstall its deps? |
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| 19:08.57 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, well....I've been having a problem for one month; Googling and asking help from people in #debian and #linux was not helpful; |
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| 19:09.06 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 19:09.19 | remote | you experienced a problem with openssh for one moth? |
| 19:09.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, I just tried out everything I could and everything would strike to my mind... |
| 19:09.53 | nsadmin | there's no information in that :) I guess that's ok if you're not asking for help about it now :) |
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| 19:10.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, yes, ssh actually. I have two VPSs; when I get connected to them using ssh, I get a 'killed' notification in the terminal and I get disconnected from my VPSs. |
| 19:10.50 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, It only happens on my PC; using the same Internet connection, I don't have this problem on my laptop. |
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| 19:11.17 | ChrisH | starenka: does ls -l /devices/platform/bcm2708_usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/1-1.2:1.2/input/input0 show something usefull? |
| 19:11.19 | eptalon | Mohsen_Hassani: you sure it is a problem of ssh, and not of something like pam? |
| 19:11.20 | nsadmin | so then, is the problem located on the laptop? |
| 19:11.46 | Mohsen_Hassani | eptalon, I'm not experienced with Linux; I don't know what pam is.. |
| 19:12.18 | eptalon | Mohsen_Hassani: in very basic terms: a set of "rules" that say what user/program can do whaz |
| 19:12.22 | eptalon | er what |
| 19:12.27 | nsadmin | is the laptop running debian? |
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| 19:12.40 | Mohsen_Hassani | People in here wanted me to check the .ssh files from my working Laptop and PC. The files were the same and still are... |
| 19:13.25 | Mohsen_Hassani | nsadmin, I'm using the same Debian, SID, on my PC and Laptop. |
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| 19:13.36 | starenka | ChrisH: nope. even /devices does not exist |
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| 19:14.42 | remote | why are you using SID anyway? |
| 19:14.57 | starenka | ChrisH: nope. even /devices does not exist.. found it here |
| 19:15.00 | starenka | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.01 | starenka | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jan 1 1970 /dev/input/by-id/usb-Arduino_LLC_Arduino_Leonardo-event-mouse -> ../event0 |
| 19:15.05 | eptalon | remote: might be more bleeding edge. |
| 19:15.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, I was using Wheezy. I just saw gdm3 has some new features which required me to switch to sid; |
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| 19:15.33 | nsadmin | I actually need to go... and before I do, I'd strongly recommend to you that sid is NOT for real work. as you mention that you're very new to linux, you can avoid a lot of problems by running stable |
| 19:15.53 | ChrisH | starenka: I expected that. I hoped PI is a bit different there. I have no idea yet. |
| 19:16.03 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: you know sid is unstable right? |
| 19:16.09 | Mohsen_Hassani | nsadmin, of course one week ago I switched to wheezy again and I had no problem for only two or three hours. |
| 19:16.21 | starenka | ChrisH: it's debian based distro on it, tho |
| 19:16.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | I don't know what happened; I know I DID not install anything to break it! |
| 19:16.37 | starenka | ChrisH: wheezy based to be precise |
| 19:16.42 | eptalon | Mohsen_Hassani: did you "update" the system in the meantime? |
| 19:16.43 | remote | when do your ssh session get killed? |
| 19:16.55 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, yes, I already knew about sid, but I didn't expect such problem; that's why I switched back (reinstalled) wheezy. |
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| 19:17.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, Sometime for the first second that it connected to the VPS. Sometimes like 40 seconds after connection. |
| 19:17.48 | Guest526 | hello, policykit is still broken in KDE? |
| 19:18.00 | simonlnu | sid by definition has problems. |
| 19:18.03 | simonlnu | !sid |
| 19:18.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 19:18.47 | nsadmin | anyway. you seem to have many machines... you should put stable on one of them. I hope what you learn about problems on the sid machines doesn't affect your opinion of linux or debian |
| 19:19.04 | remote | seems like something is killing your ssh processes |
| 19:19.21 | remote | do you get the same problem when connecting from another workstation? |
| 19:19.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, Well, now I'm using wheezy. But the same problem exists; I think the problem is with some files on the /home/, as I didn't delete the /home/ partition. |
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| 19:19.53 | eptalon | remote: how would a pam.d rule act?-would it kill the session, or would it prevent it from being established? |
| 19:21.19 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: Did you run ssh -v from the system the session gets killed? |
| 19:21.39 | eptalon | Mohsen_Hassani: -v is for verbose... |
| 19:21.39 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, I have tried two different Internet services; and I still have the same problem. I'm really sure, after this one month, that the problem is with my PC Debian wheezy and sid ... |
| 19:21.45 | SiDz | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02458337&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=101&contentType=SupportFAQ&prodSeriesId=4066042&prodTypeId=18972 hi guys id like to know how do you call those usb cable with a "square" on 1 side, and original usb other side |
| 19:21.49 | starenka | ChrisH: okay, im quite about to let it be, i've just put "1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f pi </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" into /etc/inittab and put the script in .shellrc file. it's dirty but it also works well with ssh. it tries to launch the script again, but it crashes, cause the mixer is busy |
| 19:21.50 | SiDz | anyone know?;p |
| 19:21.55 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: do what ChrisH suggested |
| 19:22.05 | remote | after that we'll have you trace the process |
| 19:22.11 | starenka | ChrisH: i know it's bad, but im quite desperate right now :( |
| 19:22.25 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, eptalon I already tried the -v; the process for connecting to the VPS is the same as my working Laptop; and it does not say why it gets killed. |
| 19:22.28 | eptalon | SiDz: thats the usual A-B type, I think. you use to connect eg. a usb hub. |
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| 19:23.00 | ChrisH | starenka: first its important it works for you. second step is make it nicer |
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| 19:23.15 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: install strace and run ssh using this command `strace -ffvo /tmp/ssh-trace ssh username@host' |
| 19:23.31 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, let me do it ... :) |
| 19:23.42 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: can you show us the straceoutput and the ssh -v output please |
| 19:23.53 | remote | then grep for your password in /tmp/ssh-trace* and make sure to remove it from the files if it's showing there after that upload the files somewhere for us to see |
| 19:24.09 | remote | you may also want to remove instances of your username/hostname |
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| 19:24.55 | Woet | why is sendmail sending mail using sender domain "debian" instead of my /etc/hostname or /etc/mailname? |
| 19:24.56 | eptalon | Mohsen_Hassani: eg. replace soure with 10.0.0.1, and target with 10.0.0.2.. |
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| 19:25.31 | eptalon | (those are public ip's) |
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| 19:26.30 | Zerobeholder | so I did two things, I started force feeding the actual version number to awk in the setup script. Then I was able to figure out I needed the libmagickwand-dev package. So now it is trying to compile (opposed to just kicking me out). |
| 19:26.31 | MarkS- | Hello, is there a Debian version that works without problems with GFS2 where there are multiple (3+) systems using the volume at the same time? |
| 19:27.44 | Zerobeholder | almost there... |
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| 19:28.36 | sKeiths | Network manager complain about insufficient privileges, but i see no way of escalating its privileges. I know the root password. |
| 19:28.44 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: make sure to find your password in the trace files, I just confirmed it is there |
| 19:28.51 | bcv | Hi all: gnome3 shell is good but slow in case of slow processors. the classic shell is good but is slowly moving to gnome-shell. Is there a good window manager/environment for tablet PCs ? I have one and gnome3 does not seem to help |
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| 19:29.31 | remote | bcv: notion, xterm |
| 19:29.37 | Zerobeholder | pear config-set preferred_state beta |
| 19:29.38 | bcv | matchbox is not that good too |
| 19:29.41 | remote | http://notion.sf.net/ |
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| 19:30.12 | Zerobeholder | So it is in now. Bah, that was miserable. |
| 19:31.24 | sKeiths | i wish i could prepend a gksu onto the shortcut in system settings, or it i could hold alt or crtl and it would ask for root password when opening. |
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| 19:31.42 | bcv | remote: is notion not available for debian ? I do not see it in apt-cache. I can download and compile but was just checking ... |
| 19:32.04 | remote | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=notion&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
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| 19:32.36 | remote | bcv: http://sourceforge.net/projects/notion/files/ has debs for it |
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| 19:34.38 | Mohsen_Hassani | These are my strace logs: http://dpaste.com/818309/, http://dpaste.com/818310/ And this is ssh -v: http://dpaste.com/818307/; Thanks! :) |
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| 19:36.30 | Zerobeholder | Sometimes gd is faster and sometimes imagemagick is faster, using the pecl imagemagick was better on squeeze than the php5-imagemagick package-- I don't have any definitive proof for wheezy. For the automatic item image resizing I do a lot of, imagemagick is better as in faster. |
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| 19:37.18 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: did you reproduce the problem? are they logging the kill? |
| 19:37.39 | adimit | … so, what do I do when I see something like this in my dmesg, and the usb subsystem just refuses to detect new devices from that point on? http://pastebin.com/jnGs1Kk9 Old stuff still works (keyboard and mouse.) This happens in interaction with the snd-usb-caiaq driver only, and is pretty frequently (70%) the case when I *unplug* some mass storage device from USB. |
| 19:37.52 | adimit | kernel is 3.2.0, debian testing. |
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| 19:38.06 | adimit | (3.2.0.3-amd64 to be exact.) |
| 19:38.53 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, I didn't reduce anything; it's the whole strace logs. |
| 19:39.15 | remote | yeah: +++ killed by SIGKILL +++ |
| 19:40.14 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: just for testing, run ssh -v shahbal@199.26.84.68 |
| 19:40.17 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: just for testing, run ssh -v shahbal@199.26.84.68 uptime |
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| 19:41.05 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, Both? or the latter? |
| 19:41.05 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: The kill comes from your localhost not the remote side. I am not sure if that was clear till now. |
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| 19:41.17 | Guest526 | hello, policykit is still broken in KDE? |
| 19:41.19 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: the second one.. |
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| 19:42.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, Here you are :) http://dpaste.com/818315/ |
| 19:42.40 | nickios | hi guys , i have wrongly removed python from my squeeze and my system is damaged , when system has started removing applications and gnome stuff i have stopped the work |
| 19:42.42 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: OK. so non-interactive ssh seems to work. interactive gets killed on localhost. |
| 19:43.00 | nickios | and i can't installing again neither gdm gnome etc... |
| 19:43.08 | nickios | can i fix it? |
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| 19:44.01 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, That's why I thought of re-installing the whole openssh-server... It stroke to my mind after testing EVERYTHING in one month :)) |
| 19:44.05 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: To me the problem is your localhost, did you change anything recently? |
| 19:44.14 | Zerobeholder | email sent to pecl maintainers with new awk that shouldn't break the script for other distributions, cripes |
| 19:44.17 | sKeiths | Where do i find the startup items in favorites. I found that i can prepend ksesu to systemsettings and it does what I want, but now I'd like to edit only the systemsettings in favorites. |
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| 19:45.24 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, No. Nothing! I've been using Debian for about 1 year and half; and I mostly install the same packages on my company PCs, my co-workers Laptops' and mine. And I never ever experiences such problem |
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| 19:45.39 | Zerobeholder | on that note; thanks abrotman, somiaj, and remote |
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| 19:45.48 | nickios | anybody help me? :-) |
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| 19:46.03 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: and which of the above mentioned systems is the localhost you are showing us? |
| 19:46.04 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: what does the uptime output looks like on your local machine? |
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| 19:46.09 | bcv | remote: Hi I am back now ... this time on a proper channel |
| 19:46.23 | remote | Mohsen_Hassani: any errors in dmesg? |
| 19:46.40 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, I'm home now; and it's my own PC. |
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| 19:47.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | remote, no, dmesg hasn't logged anything about ssh. |
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| 19:47.47 | arfj | Hi. I've just installed Wheezy on a laptop. Is there any particular reason on why the setup process may have skipped the 'wireless-tools' installation? |
| 19:48.02 | remote | bcv: fluxbox |
| 19:48.11 | simonlnu | nickios: start with `apt-get -f install` |
| 19:48.43 | bcv | remote: fluxbox for tablet... I think I have used it already on a desktop. I will give it a try now |
| 19:48.49 | simonlnu | you can always re-install wanted packages after |
| 19:49.45 | remote | bcv: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 19:49.53 | nickios | simonlnu: http://pastie.org/5116369 no helps |
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| 19:50.14 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: Is it only your PC showing this problem or are other killing the ssh while accesing a special system via ssh? |
| 19:50.54 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, no, only my PC; I don't have this problem in my company and neither on my Laptop at home. |
| 19:50.56 | simonlnu | nickios: first, that's not what i said. second, did you mix releases? |
| 19:51.11 | MarkS- | what is a good and stable file system when you access a block device from multiple locations at the same time (with read/write actions) |
| 19:51.33 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: as you sit in from of the box reinstalling the sshclient seems a valid approach. |
| 19:51.35 | nickios | simonlnu: sorry , what you mean in mix releases? |
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| 19:51.40 | simonlnu | third, if you did, then switch it all to squeeze in sources.list, and update. then install the packages |
| 19:51.46 | simonlnu | !bobbitt |
| 19:51.47 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 19:52.03 | simonlnu | ^^^ |
| 19:52.42 | Alex_Bkash | in running Debian from USB persistant mode. I am creating eht0:1 from but it doesnot persist after reboot. Any idea plz? |
| 19:53.24 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, Let me try reinstalling the openssh-client |
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| 19:54.00 | petemc | Alex_Bkash: do create an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for that virtual interface? |
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| 19:54.23 | Alex_Bkash | i did |
| 19:54.41 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChrisH, I reinstalled; connected to my VPS, and got killed again; Do I need to restart anything? |
| 19:54.46 | Alex_Bkash | but after reboot /etc/network/interface dont retain the changes |
| 19:55.10 | petemc | thats obviously something particular to your "USB persistant mode" |
| 19:55.23 | ChrisH | Mohsen_Hassani: normally not... but a reboot might cleanup /tmp |
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| 19:56.36 | Alex_Bkash | ya. If i create a file on desktop it retains.But network interface doesnot |
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| 20:02.48 | brah | When there are write errors, fsck will fail upon next check. |
| 20:02.57 | brah | Is there any way to make it silently fix the filesystem and keep on booting? |
| 20:03.04 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: Is the filesystem on the USB mountable from some other system? |
| 20:03.14 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: Or possibly from within the running USB image? |
| 20:03.16 | brah | Instead of having me put in my password and having to run fsck manually |
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| 20:03.45 | jhutchins_wk | brah: No, there are reasons it does it that way. |
| 20:04.55 | brah | I know and I don't care. I still don't want to run fsck manually because I'm not at the office 24/7. I'd rather have it run automatically and then maybe get a log output. |
| 20:05.12 | brah | Having to drive an hour to type in my password and run fsck then go on my merry way is not something I desire. |
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| 20:05.47 | ChrisH | brah: journal enabled? |
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| 20:05.55 | brah | Yes, ext3. |
| 20:06.16 | nickios | simonlnu: then switch it all to squeeze in sources.list , i can't understand it |
| 20:06.18 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: i dont get u |
| 20:06.47 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: i am running os from usb in persistant mode |
| 20:07.00 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: Can you mount the usb drive? |
| 20:07.01 | ChrisH | brah: ext3 does not mean journal enabled by default |
| 20:07.05 | simonlnu | nickios: have you modified your /etc/apt/sources.list in any way? are you running stable? |
| 20:07.13 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: From within the running system? |
| 20:07.21 | Alex_Bkash | ya |
| 20:07.32 | nickios | simonlnu: yes i will share you my sourceslist |
| 20:07.33 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: The interfaces file you are editing is in RAM, you need to edit the one that's actually on the USB. |
| 20:07.53 | Alex_Bkash | ok |
| 20:07.55 | simonlnu | nickios: just answer the questions, please |
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| 20:08.06 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: how can i do that? |
| 20:08.09 | nickios | simonlnu: http://pastebin.com/A8Wqs1wG |
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| 20:08.40 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 20:08.48 | nickios | simonlnu: yes im running stable os , and i have stable and unstable sources in my sourcelist |
| 20:08.51 | brah | ChrisH: Will this do? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext3#Enable_Full_Journaling |
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| 20:09.07 | ChrisH | brah: check using dumpe2fs /dev/vg00/lvTmp | grep journal |
| 20:09.19 | ChrisH | brah: replace /dev/vg00 with your FS |
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| 20:09.46 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: im changing in /etc/network/interface file |
| 20:09.49 | ChrisH | brah: yeah, that show to switch it on |
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| 20:09.57 | nickios | simonlnu: what should i do? :) |
| 20:09.59 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: but it doesnot persist |
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| 20:10.24 | simonlnu | nickios: remove unstable from it. doesn't belong there. |
| 20:11.10 | brah | ChrisH: have 2 lines on dumpe2fs: Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file ............ and ......... Journal features: journal_incompat_revoke |
| 20:11.12 | simonlnu | wonders why people think it's a good idea to mix stuff that way, without any precautions |
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| 20:12.15 | nickios | simonlnu: then? result is same... |
| 20:12.22 | ChrisH | brah: Filesystem features: has_journal <-- Journal is enabled. Well then ou either need to find out why the FS gets corruped so often, and/or get a HW with a remote LOM-consol to fix it from remote |
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| 20:12.56 | simonlnu | did you update? you need to update after you mak a change like that. and yes, it will remain the same... we're not done yet. |
| 20:13.17 | nickios | yep i have updated |
| 20:13.43 | brah | ChrisH: It's not any particular machine. Once a month or so a hard disk will do bad writes, which can be fixed with fsck and then if I'm not there the machine will be out of service the whole day. |
| 20:13.46 | simonlnu | nickios: expecting a "quick fix" for major breakage is like asking for a pie to drop down from the sky onto your lap |
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| 20:14.27 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: You need to change the file on the USB, not in RAM, which is where /etc/network/interfaces is. I think persistent is supposed to write changes back to the original, but I'm not sure of the method. My suggestion will work. |
| 20:14.59 | nickios | i see :-) , just listening you |
| 20:15.11 | jhutchins_wk | Alex_Bkash: If you want to determine why it's not getting written back to the USB image, you'll have to learn more about the Persistent USB system than I know. |
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| 20:15.45 | Alex_Bkash | jhutchains_wk: ok. but how can i fix it now? |
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| 20:16.39 | simonlnu | nickios: ok, what happens now when you do the `apt-get -f install`? could you paste the whole thing to paste.debian.net ? thanks |
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| 20:17.07 | brah | ChrisH: I mean, there's no need to have a machine out of service a whole day when fsck -y can automatically fix it when there is an inconsistency. I'm trying to achieve that. |
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| 20:17.25 | nickios | simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/203634/ |
| 20:17.48 | resure | Good day. What is the right way to get hexchat for Debian? Source-compiling, or using package for ubuntu? |
| 20:18.11 | simonlnu | nickios: ok, good. progress :) |
| 20:18.15 | remote | compiling |
| 20:18.35 | afuentes | is there a way to send emails of signed keys with caff? |
| 20:18.40 | simonlnu | nickios: ok do `apt-get install python` |
| 20:18.48 | afuentes | when i try it tells me keys are already signed and stops :/ |
| 20:19.00 | simonlnu | ,i caff |
| 20:19.01 | judd | No package named 'caff' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 20:19.18 | simonlnu | what's caff? |
| 20:19.30 | ChrisH | brah: If you havs such unreliant disks, you might need to consider running SW Raids to improve this. I never saw our or customers systems showing such a high write error rate like once per month |
| 20:19.47 | nickios | simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/203637/ |
| 20:20.01 | afuentes | signing-party package |
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| 20:20.29 | brah | ChrisH: Look, I understand. I don't want to improve failure rate, I just want it to run fsck -y automatically when it finds an inconsistency. |
| 20:20.32 | nickios | simonlnu: but i see gdm3 in aptitude search gdm3 dependencies |
| 20:20.58 | afuentes | judd, apt-file search -x \/caff$ |
| 20:21.09 | simonlnu | nickios: could paste up your sources.list? |
| 20:21.11 | nickios | simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/203639/ |
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| 20:21.51 | simonlnu | ,find bin/caff |
| 20:21.56 | judd | Search for bin/caff in squeeze/i386: signing-party: usr/bin/caff |
| 20:22.03 | nickios | simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/203640/ |
| 20:22.26 | simonlnu | nickios: um, that's why |
| 20:22.34 | simonlnu | !sources.list |
| 20:22.36 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:22.50 | nickios | why? |
| 20:22.51 | simonlnu | nickios: add those ^^^ |
| 20:23.05 | nickios | ok |
| 20:23.08 | simonlnu | you're missing like 98% of the packages |
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| 20:24.23 | simonlnu | afuentes: sorry i can't much, i've never used it. someone else can, i'm sure |
| 20:24.50 | simonlnu | has never even been to a gpg signing party ;) |
| 20:25.02 | remote | hey simonlnu |
| 20:25.07 | remote | long time |
| 20:25.07 | afuentes | :> |
| 20:25.25 | simonlnu | hey dude. for sure. |
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| 20:25.41 | remote | still in the same area? |
| 20:25.45 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 20:25.48 | remote | cool |
| 20:26.01 | HelenB_ | Today my web browser (chromium) has suddenly started redirecting to about:blank |
| 20:26.02 | nickios | simonlnu: now successfuly installed python |
| 20:26.06 | simonlnu | you? |
| 20:26.13 | HelenB_ | if I visit a website it redirects it to the blank about page |
| 20:26.16 | simonlnu | nickios: uh hunh ;) |
| 20:26.17 | HelenB_ | How do I fix this? |
| 20:26.37 | nickios | simonlnu: trying to install gdm3 and gnome now :-p |
| 20:26.43 | remote | yeah still |
| 20:26.46 | simonlnu | should work now ;) |
| 20:26.51 | simonlnu | wow, nice |
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| 20:28.33 | nickios | simonlnu: feels good , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tmc8rJgxUI catch from me 10x :-) |
| 20:28.59 | HelenB_ | please help me |
| 20:29.05 | simonlnu | yw |
| 20:29.29 | simonlnu | HelenB_: sounds like a really funky corruption problem. try making a new profile. |
| 20:29.37 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:29.41 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: How?! |
| 20:29.54 | simonlnu | from the preferences window |
| 20:30.01 | zro | is there any way to list installed packages by install date? |
| 20:30.17 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: wait |
| 20:30.25 | HelenB_ | i don't have a preferences window |
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| 20:30.47 | simonlnu | tooolbar icon, tools >> preferences |
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| 20:30.56 | ChrisH | brah: I understand your idea, but from my understanding there is now way to do that with fsck'ish Filesystems, use ZFS instead, there is no fsck. |
| 20:31.00 | zro | nm, i should have googled first, sorrry: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12578/list-packages-by-installation-date |
| 20:31.07 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: no preferences there |
| 20:31.19 | simonlnu | settings then. |
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| 20:31.41 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: oh no settings under tools |
| 20:31.47 | HelenB_ | but there is under the spanner icon |
| 20:32.02 | simonlnu | spanner icon? |
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| 20:32.21 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: Yes |
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| 20:32.43 | simonlnu | there's a little icon, top right, where it's a menu for the browser itself. |
| 20:32.53 | HelenB_ | yes |
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| 20:32.56 | HelenB_ | that's a spanner |
| 20:33.00 | HelenB_ | i click it then go to settings |
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| 20:33.02 | HelenB_ | now what? |
| 20:33.21 | simonlnu | moment please, admin stuff to do |
| 20:33.32 | HelenB_ | :/ |
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| 20:33.40 | simonlnu | under advanced, there's a part to make a new "user" or "profile" |
| 20:33.50 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 20:33.52 | simonlnu | once you have, switch to it |
| 20:34.53 | Guest526 | how to join to #debian-next? |
| 20:35.35 | MrFrood | Guest526: itis on the oftc server irc.debian.org |
| 20:35.40 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: there is another problem... |
| 20:35.48 | HelenB_ | why is porn in my bookmarks on my new user? |
| 20:35.49 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 20:35.53 | HelenB_ | I didn't put it there |
| 20:36.04 | Guest526 | MrFrood: thanks |
| 20:36.16 | MrFrood | np |
| 20:36.36 | simonlnu | i can't answer that |
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| 20:37.19 | simonlnu | where the heck did you get this thing? |
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| 20:37.31 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: huh? |
| 20:37.35 | HelenB_ | what thing? :o |
| 20:37.39 | HelenB_ | chromium? |
| 20:37.42 | simonlnu | this browser |
| 20:37.42 | HelenB_ | from the repos |
| 20:38.01 | simonlnu | hmm |
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| 20:42.09 | simonlnu | anyway, try again. maybe your browser got screwed up somehow. at worst you'll have to reinstall it. no biggie. |
| 20:43.01 | brah | ChrisH: I don't know how much you know about this stuff, but I think changing FSCKFIX to yes in /etc/default/rcS will do what I want. |
| 20:44.08 | anddam | why isn't gnupg-curl going to be installed in http://d.pr/i/7JH5 ? |
| 20:44.13 | simonlnu | FSCKFIX just tells any fsck to go ahead and do stuff to fix the filesystems, without prompting for it first. |
| 20:44.43 | simonlnu | IMe i've never had that bite me |
| 20:44.45 | simonlnu | IME* |
| 20:45.18 | brah | simonlnu: But will I still have to run fsck manually instead of fsck resolving it during boot-check-time? |
| 20:45.19 | rwp | I always change FSCKFIX=yes as a matter of standard operating. |
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| 20:45.33 | brah | I am trying to avoid loging in as root and running fsck -y. |
| 20:45.33 | simonlnu | rwp: same |
| 20:45.36 | simonlnu | brah: no |
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| 20:45.55 | brah | simonlnu: So this fixes my issue? |
| 20:45.59 | simonlnu | !forcefsck |
| 20:46.00 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line. |
| 20:46.07 | rwp | Otherwise a headless server in the datacenter might be stuck at reboot waiting for human input that can't be provided. |
| 20:46.42 | brah | rwp: In my case, it's operators who don't know the root password. |
| 20:47.44 | rwp | brah, Either way. I am a big believer in backup, raid, and setting FSCKFIX=yes. :-) |
| 20:47.47 | Brigo | brah: there is no way without root password to do that. |
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| 20:49.02 | rwp | Brigo, Well... Never phrase a statement in the form of a challenge. :-) You can always boot setting the boot options init=/bin/bash and avoid the question. But if you can do that you have full access anyway. |
| 20:49.04 | brah | Whatever. So many contardicting answers. I'll just turn it to yes and see what happens. |
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| 20:49.10 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: Perhaps you could tell brah WHERE to set tat. |
| 20:49.27 | rwp | FSCKFIX=yes is better. Just do that. |
| 20:50.17 | Brigo | rwp: i agree, but making root is easier. |
| 20:50.29 | Brigo | FSCKFIX=yes is better. If you are root. |
| 20:50.58 | rwp | Yes. Too much information is available. You can only try to use your best judgement and learn and then with the knowledge gained from it keep going. |
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| 20:52.21 | rwp | Brigo, Well... Root is responsible for the machine operation. If root wants the machine to get stuck at boot time waiting for fsck input then root can leave the machine set that way. Or the reverse. If you aren't root then you are not responsible and neither do you have the access to make the change. |
| 20:52.57 | rwp | Of course if you have physical access then you also have the ability to become root. |
| 20:53.03 | Brigo | rwp: and the problem is: In my case, it's operators who don't know the root password. |
| 20:53.25 | rwp | Then you shouldn't put them into a situation where they need it. |
| 20:53.29 | simonlnu | that's why having console access is as good as having root access |
| 20:54.03 | rwp | BTW... In the old days Operator was another term for Superuser / root. Strange to hear it associated with a non-root user. |
| 20:54.24 | Brigo | rwp: that is i said no way :-) |
| 20:54.33 | jhutchins_wk | The idea is that if a filesystem needs checking, operators who do not have the root password should not be the ones responsible for checking it. If they can't be trusted with root, they shouldn't be expected to check the filesystem. |
| 20:54.58 | jhutchins_wk | This is one way to escalate the problem to a responsible party. |
| 20:55.09 | brah | Sorry for the operator confusion. I meant the people who work on that machine, not the ones who administrate it. |
| 20:55.32 | brah | My issue is that I don't want to drive up to the company every time a machine's fsck fails just to log in and type fsck -y. |
| 20:55.54 | rwp | I have been doing this for a while bit *I* don't trust myself to debug and manually restich a broken filesystem. If it came to that much hands on I would ensure a good backup, make a new filesystem, then restore. Safer for me than trying to debug through an inode chain trying to fix some corruption. |
| 20:56.22 | rwp | brah, No problem on the Operator stuff. I knew exactly what you meant. No confusion. It was just a side comment. |
| 20:56.24 | Brigo | brah: network connection? |
| 20:56.38 | rwp | Like this one. BTW... You will see operator in /etc/aliases often from legacy systems for just such a reason. |
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| 20:57.11 | brah | Brigo: No. It doesn't respond. I'm not sure if it gets to the part where the network interfaces are brought up. |
| 20:57.22 | MrFrood | brah: I've not been following your issue so forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick but would the "staff" group be of any use to you? |
| 20:57.30 | simonlnu | no, fsck happens before that |
| 20:57.35 | rwp | The fsck step is early, early before any networking is online. |
| 20:57.53 | rwp | The best you could do is a remote console like the Compaq iLO remote console or some such. Those spoil you very quickly. |
| 20:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | brah: Hopefully that's not a frequent occurrence. Shouldn't there be someone present who understands the implications of a filesystem check and can make sure the system is operable when it's complete? |
| 20:58.04 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 20:58.14 | rwp | But just the same if you are simply going to fsck -y (and I am) then why not make that policy? |
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| 20:58.49 | simonlnu | when i first saw that oh so many years ago, that's one thing i decided would be smart to do. |
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| 20:59.42 | brah | I doubt anyone in my city understands the implication of each question fsck asks. |
| 20:59.48 | HelenB_ | r u robot |
| 20:59.51 | HelenB_ | a machine |
| 20:59.54 | HelenB_ | r u robot |
| 20:59.56 | HelenB_ | ironman |
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| 21:00.49 | ihatewindows8 | why acpid doesn't work on my box? afaics it's configured perfectly correct, acpi_listen shows events when I connect and disconnect power supply to my laptop |
| 21:01.17 | ihatewindows8 | runs Debian wheezy on IBM ThinkPad X32 |
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| 21:07.22 | ihatewindows8 | any ideas how can I make acpid work? acpid ignores its scripts (for example a script modified to change CPU when I connect or disconnect charger) |
| 21:07.32 | ihatewindows8 | I have read thinkwiki and Debian manuals |
| 21:07.36 | ihatewindows8 | what is wrong? |
| 21:07.37 | Brigo | brah: the machine are on, but withot net? |
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| 21:08.10 | ihatewindows8 | wonders if his question will be ignored as always |
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| 21:08.36 | brah | Brigo: Yes. When fsck fails, I believe the machine is stuck in single user mode. |
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| 21:09.10 | Brigo | and the filesystem in mounted read-only? |
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| 21:10.02 | brah | No, the filesystem doesn't mount. I assume you probably haven't seen this before, it's when a boot-time fsck check fails. |
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| 21:12.11 | Brigo | brah: but then you are root. |
| 21:12.28 | Brigo | you have root permision, i mind. |
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| 21:13.06 | brah | Brigo: No. The process has root permissions, not the terminal. The terminal is not even logged in. |
| 21:13.22 | brah | I'm not sure if I should even call it a terminal.. more like, a screen. |
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| 21:13.50 | Brigo | so there is no console? |
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| 21:14.11 | Brigo | is there no console?, sorry :-) |
| 21:14.30 | ihatewindows8 | so one more time: ThinkPad X32, Debian wheezy, acpi_listen which shows events when I do things like connect/disconnect charger, acpid which doesn't execute its scripts when events occur |
| 21:14.32 | Brigo | or so there is no console!! :-) |
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| 21:14.41 | ihatewindows8 | how can I fix acpid? |
| 21:14.47 | brah | It asks for the root password because the terminal is not logged in. |
| 21:15.26 | Brigo | but if the filesystem doesn't mount you cant get lgged in ... :-m |
| 21:15.28 | humbolt | does kernel version 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 already have a stable ext4 version? (I do NOT refer to the lately discovered bug, but to the state of development at that time) |
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| 21:15.30 | HelenB_ | ihatewindows8 too |
| 21:15.53 | Brigo | humbolt: yes, it has, i think. |
| 21:16.01 | brah | Brigo: I believe it's running a ramdisk up until the point / fully mounts. |
| 21:16.10 | humbolt | I see these two things on my system. could be an indication: mkfs.ext4 mkfs.ext4dev |
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| 21:16.29 | Brigo | brah: oh, its true. So no ideas.. :-( |
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| 21:16.35 | HelenB_ | ihatewindows8 too |
| 21:18.03 | Brigo | brah: it's a security hole, i know, but next time you could let a bash running in the console .... |
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| 21:18.59 | humbolt | I go for ext3 to be on the save side. |
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| 21:19.39 | brah | Brigo: I believe init=/bin/bash still drops you in single-user mode. |
| 21:20.06 | george_e | Is this the correct channel to ask a question about ITP bugs? |
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| 21:22.23 | themill | george_e: here or #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:23.02 | ihatewindows8 | so one more time: ThinkPad X32, Debian wheezy, acpi_listen which shows events when I do things like connect/disconnect charger, acpid which doesn't execute its scripts when events occur... how can I fix acpid? I need it to execute its scripts on events. |
| 21:23.18 | george_e | themill: Thanks. I just sent an email to 'submit@bugs.debian.org', but it isn't showing up on this page: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp;dist=unstable |
| 21:23.38 | george_e | I sent the email about 20 minutes ago. Is there typically a long delay? |
| 21:24.06 | george_e | (I'm trying to decide at which point to conclude the email was formatted incorrectly or contained an error.) |
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| 21:26.37 | themill | george_e: the BTS can take anywhere from 5min to an hour or two depending on how much spam people are trying to shove through it |
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| 21:27.08 | george_e | Ah, okay. I'll wait another hour or so then. Thank you. |
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| 21:28.05 | themill | george_e: it will send you an email or two in reply |
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| 21:28.23 | george_e | Okay. |
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| 21:32.04 | serg | how to understand why apt-get fails in --configure step? are there any logs or any way to enable the verbose/debug mode? |
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| 21:34.57 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: Now my new profile has started doing the same thing. :( |
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| 21:36.34 | KsM | I don't exactly understand the setuid/setgid/sticky bit, how do I get a script to run as root? I've been trying to use octal 7551, 7555, etc. (with the owner as root) and I continuously get permission denied |
| 21:37.17 | obiwahn | KsM: you want setuid |
| 21:37.19 | KsM | oh, the sticky bit goes /first/ |
| 21:37.38 | KsM | whacks himself |
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| 21:38.46 | KsM | hm, 4755 doesn't seem to work either |
| 21:38.53 | obiwahn | it should |
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| 21:42.56 | KsM | obiwahn: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/34991499/screenshots/2012-10-25-15%3A41%3A48.png |
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| 21:46.21 | justin_ | KsM: scripts can not be made setuid |
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| 21:46.42 | KsM | oh, why not |
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| 21:46.52 | justin_ | security |
| 21:47.18 | KsM | but, can't only root set setuid and change owners anyway |
| 21:47.59 | dondelelcaro | KsM: it's really because of the way that scripts are run |
| 21:48.04 | specing | make a .c and put system(); in it |
| 21:48.15 | specing | and setuid that |
| 21:49.00 | dondelelcaro | KsM: blearh with #!/foo/bar executes /foo/bar bleargh |
| 21:49.09 | dondelelcaro | and the setuid bit is ignored |
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| 21:50.44 | dondelelcaro | KsM: see man 2 execve for details |
| 21:51.04 | Guest526 | hello specing, cutie one! |
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| 21:57.08 | KsM | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/203665/ |
| 21:58.05 | KsM | Also, no manual entries |
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| 22:00.14 | serg | how to understand why apt-get fails in --configure step? are there any logs or any way to enable the verbose/debug mode? |
| 22:00.19 | dondelelcaro | KsM: you actaully shouldn't use system; use execlp or similar |
| 22:00.28 | serg | anyone? |
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| 22:00.47 | dondelelcaro | KsM: but you might also check what the output of id; is |
| 22:00.56 | dondelelcaro | serg: put the complete output into a paste site |
| 22:01.19 | Brigo | serg: apt-get should give you information enouht |
| 22:01.58 | KsM | uid=1000(jan) gid=1000(jan) groups=1000(jan),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),1001(mozilla) |
| 22:02.14 | KsM | now sure what I'm supposed to do with that? |
| 22:02.38 | dondelelcaro | KsM: I meant within the setuid program |
| 22:02.46 | dondelelcaro | KsM: system("id"); |
| 22:03.01 | serg | dondelelcaro: there's no output besides "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
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| 22:03.27 | brah | serg: It should tell you which package it was trying to install. |
| 22:03.30 | martianixor | hi |
| 22:03.50 | KsM | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 22:04.28 | themill | serg: there would be more output than that -- apt would at least tell you what package it was trying to configure. |
| 22:04.29 | serg | brah: well, sure. But I need to understand why the post-install script fails. to debug it. |
| 22:05.10 | justin_ | serg: add -x to the first line of the post-install script |
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| 22:05.24 | themill | (assuming it's a shell script) |
| 22:05.26 | brah | You'll have to find out which package it is, deflate it and run it manually. apt doesn't know what the packages do, it just hands them to dpkg to install them. |
| 22:05.36 | KsM | set back the setuid bit and user as root after the edit/recompile, still says it's running as my user |
| 22:05.44 | martianixor | OK, guys I have that odd behavior with iceweasel, that I wish to solve, when I start it as root it works fine when I try to search google for example, but when I start it normally then the only thing visible on Google's search results page is the logo, and that happens with some other sites too |
| 22:06.11 | justin_ | martianixor: why are you running iceweasel as root |
| 22:06.12 | serg | brah: I tried with dpkg too. any way to get it more verbose? besides repackaging and using -x |
| 22:06.29 | martianixor | justin_ that happened by chance |
| 22:06.35 | martianixor | justin_ actually I'm glad I did |
| 22:06.36 | justin_ | serg: you don't need to repackage anything. just edit the script in /var |
| 22:06.36 | brah | serg: No, I believe the package only returns the exit code to dpkg and nothing else. |
| 22:06.58 | themill | serg: any chance we can see some real output? it's easier to help you if we're not playing support-jeopardy |
| 22:07.06 | serg | justin_: ah! nice, thanks |
| 22:07.12 | martianixor | justin_ I was about to start another application starting with letter f but as you know :D tab completion so the word was completed firefox instead |
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| 22:07.23 | martianixor | justin_ which as you know a link to iceweasel |
| 22:07.35 | justin_ | martianixor: does firefox work correctly on a fresh user account? |
| 22:07.43 | martianixor | justin_ nope |
| 22:07.53 | brah | serg: I just noticed it's the postinst, you might have a bit more luck. |
| 22:08.24 | brah | serg: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 22:08.28 | martianixor | justin_ I'm on xfce btw |
| 22:08.28 | serg | themill: I'm fixing the package, it's mariadb-server. anyway, nobody has it but me, and I just hoped that there's stderr/stdout are logged or like -vvv shows all executed commands or something. anyway, it's not a package from the standard repo |
| 22:08.41 | justin_ | martianixor: not really relevant.. |
| 22:08.45 | martianixor | justin_ but it's the same when I switch to gnome or gnome classic |
| 22:08.46 | justin_ | martianixor: do other sites have problems? |
| 22:08.59 | themill | serg: is this a package you're making yourself? |
| 22:09.02 | serg | themill: but I've got enough info to play with a bit, thanks |
| 22:09.10 | martianixor | justin_, yes some of them |
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| 22:09.16 | brah | serg: Check what I just told you! |
| 22:09.34 | justin_ | martianixor: is it always text that doesnt load? |
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| 22:09.49 | martianixor | justin_, yes, could it be font issue? |
| 22:09.59 | justin_ | martianixor: sounds like it could be |
| 22:10.18 | martianixor | justin_, when I do change the page style to none, text appears |
| 22:10.38 | martianixor | justin_, but why with normal users but not root? |
| 22:10.43 | justin_ | martianixor: what about if you go into the browser settings and force the fonts? |
| 22:10.56 | justin_ | martianixor: permissions on the font files incorrect somehow perhaps |
| 22:11.02 | martianixor | I tried but that doesn't change the behavior |
| 22:11.23 | martianixor | justin_, hmm ... default is root I guess right? |
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| 22:12.04 | martianixor | justin_, also I didn't change the permission on them |
| 22:12.24 | martianixor | justin_, nor ownership |
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| 22:15.00 | martianixor | justin_, well ... that's odd |
| 22:15.17 | martianixor | justin_, due to the default ownership on the fonts dir |
| 22:15.39 | martianixor | justin_, thanks :-) I'll try to check the defaults again |
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| 22:16.45 | serg | brah: found it, thanks! |
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| 22:19.45 | Ryan_Moore | hey everyone. i'm debating doing a fresh build of Debian stable on my new Thinkpad T61. Any thoughts? |
| 22:20.02 | Ryan_Moore | So you all know I'm a... hrm... slightly (very slightly) above a linux newb |
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| 22:21.18 | simonlnu | fetch netinst cd, install, have fun. check release notes FIRST |
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| 22:21.25 | simonlnu | !squeeze release notes |
| 22:21.25 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 22:21.40 | waqs | hello, which kernel version will wheezy (7) use? |
| 22:22.07 | simonlnu | likely the one it has now, unless there's some updates |
| 22:22.07 | themill | dpkg: tell waqs about wheezy kernel |
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| 22:23.29 | simonlnu | better answer ;) |
| 22:23.36 | waqs | 3.2 nice. whats the ETC? months year? |
| 22:23.37 | Ryan_Moore | what are the advantages to debian stable? |
| 22:23.43 | Ryan_Moore | i'm used to ubuntu and all the deratives |
| 22:24.07 | waqs | Ryan_Moore: Debian is better... |
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| 22:24.40 | brah | Ryan_Moore: It is stable. Or you mean the advantages of using Debian over other distros? |
| 22:24.48 | Ryan_Moore | over other distros |
| 22:24.50 | simonlnu | it's.... stable, works well. derivative *cough*. more stable than ubuntu by design (and older) |
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| 22:25.10 | Ryan_Moore | i'm trying to build my system to be the most stable, responsive, and efficient computer possible |
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| 22:25.14 | Ryan_Moore | as its my only system |
| 22:25.39 | Ryan_Moore | I use it for basic general user stuff plus audio production |
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| 22:25.49 | simonlnu | sees a lot of reading in Ryan_Moore's future ;) |
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| 22:26.16 | waqs | its ubuntus dad. I actually want to marry debian. |
| 22:26.19 | brah | Audio production? You should check the stable package repository. Most likely the versions there are outdated plugin and codec wise. |
| 22:26.21 | simonlnu | for that sort of thing, you'll want a realtime kernel |
| 22:26.34 | brah | Besides, you're going to have to install the non-free stuff separately. |
| 22:27.01 | Ryan_Moore | non-free stuff? i just do really basic guitar and vocal recording |
| 22:27.06 | Ryan_Moore | i don't make electronic music or anything |
| 22:27.20 | Ryan_Moore | audio production for me is making a drum beat on hydrogen then over dubbing some electric guitars and vox |
| 22:27.25 | simonlnu | minimalistic desktop, like a simple wm or xfce to cut down on extra useless processes running |
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| 22:29.15 | Ryan_Moore | So even just for a minimalist desktop, basic apps+JACK, with XFCE it'll take some serious reading? |
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| 22:29.46 | simonlnu | hm, well, that's if you want to fine tune certain things. otherwise you could just try it like that |
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| 22:30.14 | Ryan_Moore | fine tune? |
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| 22:31.28 | simonlnu | application responsiveness; virtual memory management; real-time prioritising of processes; etc. if you want to simple, just install xfce and be happy |
| 22:31.54 | Ryan_Moore | well i definately want my system as efficient as possible |
| 22:32.16 | simonlnu | you can work up to that, too, as you gain in knowledge |
| 22:32.39 | Ryan_Moore | if i go with debian stable, from what I've read about it, I want to tune it as much as possible. what I'm saying is how much of a learning curve is there to do that? |
| 22:32.43 | simonlnu | (and you won't overwhelm yourself) |
| 22:33.26 | simonlnu | not that much, really. it can get technical, but many people have written docs that are not-so-techy |
| 22:33.59 | simonlnu | all depends on your comfort level and your comprehension speed |
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| 22:37.06 | rainfyre | is something up with the repositories right now? I keep getting errors when I do an update |
| 22:37.30 | nkuttler | the repositories? |
| 22:37.33 | simonlnu | personally, i'd just install xfce, hydrogen and jack stuff, and run with it. later on i'd start getting into making the thing less swappy (keep things in ram as much as possible) |
| 22:37.46 | simonlnu | rainfyre: probably a mirror pulse |
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| 22:39.44 | themill | rainfyre: can you pastebin the entire output? |
| 22:40.03 | simonlnu | took off |
| 22:40.12 | themill | quite |
| 22:40.39 | simonlnu | i've done updates at this time, and i get hashsum mismatches |
| 22:41.02 | themill | simonlnu: pastebin ;) |
| 22:41.10 | simonlnu | heh heh |
| 22:42.20 | simonlnu | i'm actually doing it, partly to see if it happens, and partly to help you out |
| 22:42.33 | george_e | themill: Seems like my ITP email didn't work. |
| 22:42.45 | george_e | Can someone please take a look at this and tell me if I am missing anything? |
| 22:42.48 | george_e | http://i.stack.imgur.com/Z475i.png |
| 22:42.53 | simonlnu | ...and it ran normally |
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| 22:45.32 | simonlnu | haven't seen an itp email in a while, but it looks ok |
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| 22:52.58 | george_e | simonlnu: What should I do now? It looks like the email didn't go through. |
| 22:53.33 | simonlnu | greylisting? check your mta logs |
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| 23:15.02 | simonlnu | got all quiet... dinner in EST? |
| 23:15.47 | nsadmin | 7:15 pm there |
| 23:16.05 | jeep | simonlnu: yes it is on my way to subway want some ? |
| 23:16.51 | simonlnu | nah, i'm good. jamaican beef patties and a fair trade banana ;) |
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| 23:21.34 | wjtaylor_ | how do I install scanner drivers? |
| 23:22.07 | simonlnu | with aptitude/apt-get |
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| 23:25.17 | wjtaylor_ | simonlnu: is it a general package, or do I need to look for a vendor specific pkg? |
| 23:25.57 | simonlnu | bit of both. there's some general packages, and then specific driver packages |
| 23:27.17 | nsadmin | wjtaylor_, there might be material on linux drivers for scanners... I guess it's still the drivers that allow SANE-aware apps to talk to the hardware |
| 23:27.20 | streuner | sane is the package which supports Linux |
| 23:28.06 | streuner | Is there something which support scanners at all, not only sane? |
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| 23:29.06 | streuner | wjtaylor_: if you using HP is just fine in Linux, what kind of scanner do you have? |
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| 23:31.29 | michele_ | hello, I've a problem with dependency based boot, simply services doesn't wait the dependencies! |
| 23:32.06 | streuner | michele_: please give us more details |
| 23:32.07 | a111 | Is ther anything that I can use to recursivley get a website that is faster than wget -r ? Its taking too long to download the pages. Ive had it runnning all dya and its only done 2.7GB out of 40GB |
| 23:33.32 | michele_ | ok, I'm using openvpn, it use keys from an nfs remote server |
| 23:34.01 | michele_ | however openvpn wouldn't wait that $remote_fs is ready |
| 23:34.14 | michele_ | apache2 do the same error |
| 23:34.52 | michele_ | restarting services in rc.local make they working |
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| 23:35.35 | michele_ | so I think that this is a dependency based boot problem |
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| 23:41.43 | michele_ | it's my fault? |
| 23:46.04 | dondelelcaro | michele_: is the NFS filesystem in /etc/fstab? |
| 23:46.10 | dondelelcaro | michele_: does apache2 depend on $remote_fs? |
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| 23:46.34 | michele_ | yes NFS fs is in fstab |
| 23:46.52 | michele_ | and both openvpn and apache depends on $remote_fs |
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| 23:48.29 | dondelelcaro | michele_: what are the options for the NFS server? I'm assuming the NFS server isn't accessible via openvpn? |
| 23:49.25 | dondelelcaro | michele_: that is, what is in the mount option field? |
| 23:49.41 | michele_ | openvpn use some files from the nfs share |
| 23:50.04 | dondelelcaro | michele_: right, but the NFS share doesn't require openvpn, does it? |
| 23:50.10 | michele_ | rw,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,intr,async,nodev,nosuid,retry=10000,auto |
| 23:50.21 | michele_ | no |
| 23:51.03 | dondelelcaro | michele_: hrm. ok; that looks reasonable |
| 23:52.13 | dondelelcaro | michele_: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:52.27 | michele_ | latest squeeze |
| 23:52.41 | michele_ | 6.0.6 |
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| 23:54.26 | michele_ | without "mount -a" in rc.local nfs won't mount automatically |
| 23:54.40 | dondelelcaro | michele_: uh... well, there's your problem. |
| 23:55.05 | dondelelcaro | michele_: sounds like /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh is broken or something else is wrong |
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| 23:55.39 | dondelelcaro | michele_: what is the filesystem type for this mountpoint? |
| 23:55.41 | ubd | hello i have installed debian on this weird pc with 300-400mhx and 100 mb ram. its very slow. i need to clean up some ram if possible. but i dont know what to do. |
| 23:56.07 | michele_ | nfs |
| 23:56.10 | streuner | ubd, get rid of this stoneage PC |
| 23:56.32 | ubd | :( |
| 23:56.48 | michele_ | /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh looks fine... |
| 23:56.50 | streuner | ubd: well, this kind of pc isnt useful at all |
| 23:56.56 | Armand | ubd, try a lightweight distro.. like Puppy |
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| 23:57.22 | nsadmin | ubd: you're right, that machine is slow |
| 23:57.27 | george_e | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691467 |
| 23:57.30 | george_e | Yaaaaaay! |
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| 23:57.41 | streuner | michele_: filesystem like JFS, Ext(x), XFS... |
| 23:58.05 | tharkun | ubd: think of this pc as an embeded system and get rid of everything you can imagine except your single purpose for it. |
| 23:58.10 | streuner | michele_: NFS isnt a filesystem |
| 23:58.27 | ubd | ok, let me ask somethng specific. i killed something called rslog. how can i disable it so it wont open again |
| 23:58.57 | kriebz | sighs |
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| 23:59.31 | tharkun | ubd: well rsyslog is not something you want to get rid of just yet |
| 23:59.35 | ubd | rsyslogd |
| 23:59.47 | michele_ | sorry I don't understand you, my problem is that (only the) nfs share won't be mounted at boot |
