| 00:00.00 | jeep | streuner: here i always thought nfs stood for network file system |
| 00:00.17 | dondelelcaro | michele_: right, which is the source of your entire problem |
| 00:00.21 | tharkun | ubd: ps aux|less -S on a terminal and you are off on your quest for a minimal server ;P |
| 00:00.29 | streuner | <dondelelcaro> michele_: what is the filesystem type for this mountpoint? |
| 00:01.00 | dondelelcaro | michele_: where are you mounting this filesystem? |
| 00:01.10 | tharkun | michele_: can you paste the full line that tries to mount your nfs partition? |
| 00:01.28 | michele_ | 192.168.15.33:/home/DATA/NFS/openvpn /mnt/openvpn nfs rw,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,intr,async,nodev,nosuid,retry=10000,auto 0 0 |
| 00:01.33 | dondelelcaro | oh. |
| 00:01.35 | dondelelcaro | well, there you go |
| 00:01.48 | dondelelcaro | michele_: $remote_fs only waits for /usr and /var to be mounted |
| 00:02.01 | michele_ | ! |
| 00:02.09 | michele_ | I didn't know that! |
| 00:02.11 | dondelelcaro | michele_: if you want it to wait for other things to be mounted, then you need to modify it |
| 00:02.35 | jeep | ubd: http://giantdorks.org/alain/managing-services-in-debian/ should help you keeping rsyslogd is probably smart though |
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| 00:03.20 | dondelelcaro | michele_: alternatively, you can set ASYNCMOUNTNFS="no" in /etc/default/rcS |
| 00:03.30 | michele_ | how can I specify others mountpoints to wait? |
| 00:03.48 | dondelelcaro | michele_: if you want it to wait for all mountpoints, set ASYNCMOUNTNFS="no" in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 00:04.25 | dondelelcaro | didn't actually know that was the default now, but kind of makes sense |
| 00:04.43 | tharkun | michele_: Has this system ever mounted this partition fine at boot? |
| 00:04.53 | michele_ | wow! it works :) |
| 00:05.17 | streuner | send a pizza to dondelcaro ;-) |
| 00:05.33 | michele_ | never.. just fixed the problem adding ASYNCMOUNTNFS="no" |
| 00:05.37 | michele_ | thank you very much! |
| 00:05.47 | dondelelcaro | michele_: no problem; glad it was simple. |
| 00:05.54 | dondelelcaro | didn't actually know about that option until now |
| 00:06.02 | jeep | a111: aria2c if your still loking |
| 00:08.07 | kriebz | wow the English version of the rcS man page is bad |
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| 00:14.04 | michele_ | there are another machine that give me a different problem using ASYNCMOUNTNFS="no" in /etc/default/rcS, seem that it try to mount before start the network |
| 00:14.54 | streuner | How many machines do you have? |
| 00:15.38 | michele_ | 3 using kvm |
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| 00:17.19 | deever | what to do if the LANG and LC_ALL env vars aren't respected? |
| 00:18.45 | michele_ | mmh.. seem that at boot time any scripts won't wait network |
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| 00:21.08 | michele_ | /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh start so it's job, but not when booting :/ |
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| 00:22.50 | michele_ | ok, my fault.. now it works |
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| 00:27.21 | wjtaylor_ | streuner: I have a fujitsu 4120C scanner |
| 00:29.27 | michele_ | thank you very much to everyone! Good night... |
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| 01:01.41 | roylaprattep | Do I need "libapache2-mod-auth-mysql" if I just run RoundCube with no other users that need to access phpmyadmin ? |
| 01:01.49 | roylaprattep | Just me and my wife use my roundcube and I'm the only administrators. |
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| 01:03.31 | jeep | roylaprattep: is it exposed to the internet ? |
| 01:03.49 | roylaprattep | jeep: Yes. |
| 01:04.08 | roylaprattep | Umm, not really, excuse-me. |
| 01:04.16 | roylaprattep | I juste open 443 for roundcube access. |
| 01:04.18 | roylaprattep | just* |
| 01:05.42 | jeep | roylaprattep: roundcube is a php script the browser runs ? |
| 01:05.52 | jeep | i mean server runs in your browser |
| 01:07.19 | kriebz | roundcube is a webmail program |
| 01:07.26 | roylaprattep | webmail |
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| 01:40.19 | natsukao | hi |
| 01:40.55 | natsukao | i am serching information about the wi-fi card mini pci WI FI MINI PCI INTEL MODEL WM3B2100 |
| 01:41.50 | natsukao | i don't understand if it's used the chipset Intel or the chipset Symbol, on the card there are two chipsets |
| 01:41.56 | jeep | natsukao: take the output from lspci |
| 01:42.24 | natsukao | on the front size the chipset symbol 51-23130-130 |
| 01:43.13 | jeep | natsukao: lspci|grep -i net |
| 01:43.29 | jeep | natsukao: that will give you how the system id's your chipcset |
| 01:44.22 | natsukao | and on the back a chipset I 52531ME |
| 01:45.25 | natsukao | this last one one mounted a laptop toshiba, it does not work anymore, so i toke tha parts, and between many, i toke the wlan card |
| 01:46.00 | natsukao | i got two other cards based of chipsets Broadcom |
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| 01:47.10 | natsukao | the first one is based on the chipset BCM4306KFB and the second one on the chipset BCM4311KFBG |
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| 01:50.21 | natsukao | the BCM4306KFB was mounted on a PowerPc G4 Ibook 14 inches |
| 01:51.59 | natsukao | my cousin sent me the laptop totally damaged, there is the back of lcd to change, the keyboard, the bottom of the laptop to change, the power supply and the battery |
| 01:52.30 | krisfremen | better get a new laptop then |
| 01:52.40 | natsukao | i decided to open the Airport Extreme to watch which chipset was used |
| 01:52.56 | natsukao | i don't want a laptop based on EFI |
| 01:53.16 | natsukao | i left EFI to the other ones, i want PowerPc |
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| 01:53.57 | natsukao | so i'll put to new, and then will be mine, with GNU/linux Debian or GNU/KFreeBSD |
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| 01:56.52 | bofh80 | hey people, if i've killed my window manager from a tty, but my X session is still running, can i use something like DISPLAY= then relaunch my window manager without having to restart X ? |
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| 02:00.14 | Celene | Is there anyone here familar with LDAP Auths? I currently have a LDAP login setup, and I want for a users in a specific LDAP group to be able to gain sudo privs |
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| 02:02.25 | bofh80 | Celene: i'm just guessing here, can you create a sudo group in the LDAP? maybe debian will just use it . . . |
| 02:03.44 | Celene | bofh80, that could potentially work, but this is for a distributed VM setup - I want users to have sudo privs on some VMs, while none on others |
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| 02:06.23 | jeep | bofh80: ah alt control f7 should get you back to x is that what you mean ? |
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| 02:08.20 | bofh80 | Celene: the sudoer's rights is in /etc/sudoers so if debian respects LDAP groups, you could set up those VM's with different sudoers rights for a different vmsudo you create? |
| 02:08.51 | bofh80 | jeep: i probably need to know how to launch xterm from a tty into X, i'm use lynx and look it up i think |
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| 02:10.07 | Celene | bofh80, it doesn't respect LDAP groups. Or at least in this setup it doesn't |
| 02:10.11 | Celene | maybe im doing something wrong |
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| 02:10.53 | blackshirt | hello |
| 02:11.27 | Celene | ah nvm. |
| 02:11.31 | Celene | I figured it out. |
| 02:11.35 | Celene | nscd not running :O |
| 02:12.06 | blackshirt | hello, how best way to use bluetooth devices under linux, debian |
| 02:12.09 | blackshirt | ? |
| 02:12.31 | blackshirt | what is the easiest way |
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| 02:14.23 | blackshirt | how to scan and use bluetooth devices through cli ? What tools needed? |
| 02:14.23 | INT_21h | blackshirt: does it not work out of the box? |
| 02:14.34 | blackshirt | no, |
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| 02:18.07 | luchenbill | is it possible to apt-get install <url>? |
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| 02:19.35 | blackshirt | luchenbill, i don't know what you mean ? |
| 02:19.52 | dvs | luchenbill: That doesn't make sense to apt-get |
| 02:20.03 | luchenbill | well I just tried to install a package using apt-get install python-django but apperently the version is old |
| 02:20.21 | luchenbill | i'm not very familiar with debian so idk any other way? wget <link> |
| 02:20.22 | blackshirt | luchenbill, update your apt database |
| 02:20.25 | luchenbill | but then idk how to extract etc |
| 02:20.32 | luchenbill | I tried doing apt-get update |
| 02:20.36 | luchenbill | and apt-get upgrade |
| 02:20.40 | luchenbill | before I downloaded the package |
| 02:20.46 | rainfyre | luchenbill: what error did you get? |
| 02:21.20 | luchenbill | I don't think I got an error, it's the package was old |
| 02:21.30 | blackshirt | luchenbill, if you want more newer version of packages, you can use testing repository, but it was more risk compared to stable |
| 02:22.02 | rainfyre | luchenbill: you can add debian backports to your repo list and pull it from there |
| 02:22.16 | blackshirt | or you can do some pinning specific for packages |
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| 02:22.37 | blackshirt | luchenbill, yes, like rainfyre said above |
| 02:22.41 | luchenbill | :| i'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:23.16 | blackshirt | i mean, you can use backports for your sources.list |
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| 02:24.04 | rainfyre | luchenbill: you can add the following line to your sources.list: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 02:24.26 | luchenbill | cat sources.list |
| 02:24.28 | rainfyre | luchenbill: then do an apt-get update |
| 02:24.29 | luchenbill | oops |
| 02:24.38 | rainfyre | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:25.57 | rainfyre | luchenbill: then run apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" |
| 02:26.31 | rainfyre | luchenbill: which will be a newer version of python-django and may or may not be stable :) |
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| 02:29.27 | luchenbill | awesome thanks :D |
| 02:29.38 | luchenbill | it worked for sure |
| 02:29.39 | rainfyre | you're welcome |
| 02:29.45 | rainfyre | oh groovy |
| 02:29.50 | luchenbill | very :D |
| 02:29.56 | rainfyre | :) |
| 02:30.21 | luchenbill | god I love debian |
| 02:30.27 | luchenbill | just wish I was not a noobd |
| 02:30.33 | rainfyre | me too |
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| 02:35.07 | blackshirt | good lucks |
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| 02:48.51 | stuck_ | im having a problem with extracting a rar file i installed unrar and when i right click and extract it it just leaves an empty folder |
| 02:49.03 | stuck_ | and when i use my archiver it says it extracted it |
| 02:49.05 | stuck_ | and doesnt |
| 02:49.16 | dvs | ,v unrar-nonfree |
| 02:49.17 | judd | No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in i386. |
| 02:49.26 | dvs | hmmm |
| 02:49.39 | dvs | There's suppose to be a nonfree unrar. |
| 02:49.57 | stuck_ | yea thats what i installed |
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| 02:50.08 | stuck_ | o wait |
| 02:50.12 | stuck_ | i installed free 1 i think |
| 02:50.45 | stuck_ | o dont see a nonfree |
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| 02:51.05 | dvs | ,find unrar |
| 02:51.10 | judd | Search for unrar in squeeze/i386: bash-completion: etc/bash_completion.d/unrar |
| 02:52.44 | blackshirt | .find hcitool |
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| 02:53.35 | Tramp | unrar is non free unrar. free unrar is unrar-free |
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| 02:58.16 | roo9 | hi, i'm wondering if anyone has experience with more complex network/interfaces configurations, specifically vlans I'm trying to raise the mtu on a specific vlan (and thus raise the mtu on the physical interface), the manual statement on eth1 never gets processed so the application of eth1.3 config fails due to vlan mtu exceeding the physical interface mtu, config is here: https://gist.github.com/160aa83eeeaea6bb0006 |
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| 03:16.52 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 03:20.24 | mmnicolas | ho |
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| 03:24.22 | grothendieck | lets go |
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| 03:29.41 | nnatomltop | Hi all, I just upgraded to gnome 3. Where in the world did have my settings go ??? |
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| 03:31.10 | nnatomltop | Gnome 3 seems to be a mimick of mac. Thats great. If I wanted a mac I would have baught one ... Now where are my advanced settings like deleting printers and setting the print server to locate printers based off ip off local routed network |
| 03:31.22 | roylaprattep | mod_auth_mysql is used for wich type of use ? |
| 03:31.49 | roylaprattep | do I need it with phpmyadmin ? |
| 03:32.00 | jenenliu | hi guys, I've installed debian in my Dell laptop. But I don't know how to install Broadcom 4313 wireless card driver |
| 03:32.07 | nnatomltop | Like where are my screen saver settings ? |
| 03:32.09 | grothendieck | nnatomltop: I don't know about Gnome3 settings, but frankly I suggest just switching to xfce4 |
| 03:32.11 | jenenliu | can anyone help? thank you |
| 03:32.12 | grothendieck | so much better... |
| 03:32.24 | grothendieck | I used Gnome3 for exactly one day |
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| 03:33.07 | grothendieck | Sorry I can't tell you anything more useful than "switch to xfce" or "good luck figuring out gnome3" |
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| 03:33.52 | grothendieck | roylaprattep: mod_auth_mysql, like other apache authentication modules, is used in order to protect pages with username/password. The unique thing is that the passwords and usernames is stored in a MySQL database for much quicker access. Also, unlike the previous implementation of the module, SQL links are kept alive in between hits to acheive even better performance. |
| 03:33.58 | grothendieck | http://www.cgi101.com/class/password/mod_auth_mysql.html |
| 03:34.22 | grothendieck | No, you don't need it for PHPMyAdmin |
| 03:34.53 | grothendieck | PhpMyAdmin is a PHP application that provides a web interface to your SQL databases |
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| 03:35.46 | grothendieck | PhpMyAdmin is alright, but really it is best to learn how to use MySQL directly on the command line |
| 03:35.52 | grothendieck | Just be careful ;) |
| 03:36.19 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 03:36.25 | grothendieck | Further questions I think you should direct to #httpd or #mysql |
| 03:36.32 | roo9 | i used gnome 3 for about 3 hours, which is as long as it took to realize there's no multi head support (how?) |
| 03:36.36 | grothendieck | since that is not a debian question.. |
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| 03:36.59 | grothendieck | roo9: there is multi-head support but I think you need to specify that manually in Xorg.conf |
| 03:37.09 | grothendieck | which is frankly stupid |
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| 03:37.43 | grothendieck | that functionality does not come from the WM/DE, that comes from X11 |
| 03:37.57 | grothendieck | and X11 has multihead support for some time |
| 03:38.34 | grothendieck | WM/DE just gives you a convenient interface to configuring your displays (or in the case of gnome3, it does not give a convenient interface to anything) |
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| 03:41.57 | roo9 | grothendieck: perhaps now, but not then, it was explicetly disabled if you're not using xinerama, gnome shell doesn't work |
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| 03:43.25 | eliteprodigy | I've added a user to www-data, done chgrp www-data /var/www/ -R |
| 03:44.15 | eliteprodigy | And I've chmodded the /var/www via chmod g+rwx /var/www/ -R |
| 03:44.34 | eliteprodigy | But the user cannot edit/create files in /var/www |
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| 03:45.19 | Tramp | eliteprodigy: log in again or man newgrp |
| 03:45.45 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 03:45.57 | eliteprodigy | So I have to log out/in to make the changes take effec Tramp? |
| 03:46.06 | eliteprodigy | *effect |
| 03:46.36 | Tramp | eliteprodigy: yes. or read "man newgrp" |
| 03:47.13 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 03:48.03 | nsadmin | EasyAsPiehi, welcome to debian support |
| 03:49.19 | tz | A bit off topic...Which linux certifications are worth obtaining? |
| 03:50.03 | roo9 | tz: none, personally |
| 03:51.00 | tz | Roo9 please share your reasoning? |
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| 03:51.11 | nsadmin | tz what purpose do you expect it to serve? |
| 03:51.19 | roo9 | learning doesn't come from certifications |
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| 03:52.29 | pippin | being a productive debian packager probably could count as a good "certification" ;p |
| 03:52.41 | grothendieck | experience > certifications |
| 03:52.58 | grothendieck | but depends on your goals I guess |
| 03:53.10 | tz | Nsadmin, I am currently a sysadmin but looking to move up, lacking a lot of time in field. |
| 03:53.16 | roo9 | as someone who does hiring, i'd find being a debian packager more interesting on a resume (i've done it, its not trivial) |
| 03:53.29 | tz | Compared with some older hands.. |
| 03:53.37 | nsadmin | ahh. move up inside of what context? |
| 03:54.10 | eliteprodigy | I'm getting: E: Unable to locate package mysql-cient when trying to run sudo apt-get install mysql-server mysql-cient php5-mysql |
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| 03:54.16 | tz | Roo9 how does one get involved as a packager |
| 03:54.26 | grothendieck | read the debian package maintainers guide |
| 03:54.32 | grothendieck | is the first step |
| 03:54.45 | tz | Thanks |
| 03:54.46 | grothendieck | and it tells you what all is required for new maintainers |
| 03:54.46 | grothendieck | np |
| 03:55.38 | roo9 | tz: i haven't done it in probably a decade, so i'd not be the right person to ask :) |
| 03:56.36 | tz | I will follow up with the documentation. Thanks for all the feedback! |
| 03:57.22 | eliteprodigy | Also, I've got PHP and Apache 2 installed via apt but they're not working. |
| 03:57.38 | eliteprodigy | Well, Apache seems to be running, php however is not. |
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| 04:00.11 | Rusty1 | there are ##php and #httpd channels if nobody here can help, eliteprodigy |
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| 04:05.47 | KsM | will debian ever get back the -p and -i switches for uname? |
| 04:07.00 | nsadmin | ask the maint, look at the changelog, look upstream |
| 04:07.51 | mosno | wonders why they were removed |
| 04:08.12 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, as you must know "doesn't work" contains zero information |
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| 04:08.57 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: In FF the download file dialogue appears. |
| 04:09.19 | nsadmin | with what name in the filename field? |
| 04:09.44 | KsM | mosno: I was reading the other day on a bug report about it, iirc it said something to do that there's no proper format to /proc/cpuinfo and it's hard to parse, etc |
| 04:10.20 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: test.php |
| 04:10.22 | mosno | KsM, interesting. Both switches return "unknown" on the Arch Linux box I have handy |
| 04:10.24 | KsM | I don'ththink that really applies much today though, practically every /proc/cpuinfo looks about the same format to me |
| 04:10.44 | KsM | mosno: I think on gentoo and redhat they work, not sure |
| 04:10.45 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: Sorry, Index.php |
| 04:10.56 | nsadmin | did you restart the httpd? |
| 04:12.19 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: No, apt said it was reloading Httpd, I guess apt lies sometimes |
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| 04:13.18 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: You don't happen to know why mysql-client is showing up as not found in apt do you? |
| 04:13.39 | nsadmin | well maybe it did... look thru the error log from when you restarted it |
| 04:13.44 | eliteprodigy | I did an apt-get update < 15 minutes ago |
| 04:14.02 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: PHP is working after a manual restart. |
| 04:14.03 | nsadmin | no, no idea. I do web apps, but I do NOT use php or mysql |
| 04:14.51 | nsadmin | or apache |
| 04:14.53 | eliteprodigy | I can't imagine doing a Web app without either. :S |
| 04:16.36 | nsadmin | then you can't imagine what scorecard.org, greenpeace.org or wgbh.org runs on :) |
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| 04:17.45 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: JSP? |
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| 04:17.55 | nsadmin | that would be java |
| 04:18.08 | eliteprodigy | ASP |
| 04:18.09 | nsadmin | there was also mod_perl |
| 04:18.33 | eliteprodigy | IDK, if PHP and MySQL were a band, I'd be a roadie. |
| 04:19.50 | eliteprodigy | I don't like Python for syntax, and .Net is okay but it confuses me a bit so I stick to VB.Net/C#, and JSP well what I've read about it makes me think it's just a giant nightmare. |
| 04:19.56 | nsadmin | plus, while apache was -never- designed as anything more than a web responder, aolserver was designed as a web application server from the moment of its birth |
| 04:20.39 | nsadmin | take a look at: http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/demo |
| 04:20.40 | roo9 | eliteprodigy: i was like you, i learned :) |
| 04:21.05 | eliteprodigy | scorecard.org doesn't want to load nsadmin. |
| 04:21.08 | eliteprodigy | roo9: Hmmm? |
| 04:21.21 | roo9 | eliteprodigy: php/mysql/apache/etc |
| 04:21.53 | eliteprodigy | Ahhh. :) You don't use PHP/MySQL either then? |
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| 04:22.14 | eliteprodigy | Rather, you hopped the fence? |
| 04:22.23 | roo9 | I still run/maintain systems i've written in it. But no new development time goes there. |
| 04:22.35 | eliteprodigy | Really? |
| 04:22.37 | roo9 | well, no new projects go there. |
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| 04:22.40 | roo9 | yep |
| 04:22.51 | eliteprodigy | I can't imagine abandoning PHP for any other language. |
| 04:23.11 | eliteprodigy | For Web dev that is. It's just too versatile and powerful. |
| 04:23.14 | nsadmin | postgres is a higher quality and more standardized db |
| 04:23.21 | eliteprodigy | And easier to use. |
| 04:23.25 | roo9 | so in love with postgres :) |
| 04:23.33 | thewinner | »ÑêÁãËéã˭è Â״ãËéÂÒǨ¹ÊÒÇËŧ ´éÇ¡Ãк͡Ê٭ҡÒÈà¾ÔèÁ¢¹Ҵà¾Õ§ 980 ºҷ áÅÐ SexToy ÊÓËÃѺ ª áÅÐ áÇЪÁ¡èä´é http://matrix-thewinner.com/ |
| 04:23.42 | roo9 | came for the inet data type, stayed for… everything. |
| 04:23.44 | eliteprodigy | Well, I can see not using MySQL. |
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| 04:24.14 | eliteprodigy | I've only just began to see MySQL as anything more than just a "Database" or a "tool." |
| 04:24.34 | eliteprodigy | And in doing so I've found some things I'd rather not have to use. |
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| 04:25.08 | simonlnu | thewinner: don't spam |
| 04:25.10 | nsadmin | neither are more than a database... it's not the breadth, it's the depth |
| 04:25.52 | roo9 | i do sometimes wonder if mysql wants to be though... |
| 04:26.07 | csc` | anyone mind helping me with something simple? Where is module loading at boot configured in debian? |
| 04:26.08 | thewinner | sorry |
| 04:26.16 | csc` | modprobe.conf or something of the sort? |
| 04:26.28 | simonlnu | /etc/modules |
| 04:26.28 | thewinner | bye |
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| 04:28.03 | csc` | simonlnu, thanks |
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| 04:28.33 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: No, I mean up until my current project I've only ever used MySQL for INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, SELECT only lately have begun to truly respect the power MySQL has to off-load/expedite data retrieval/storage and all that. |
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| 04:32.24 | dlynes | csc`, same as every other distro /etc/modprobe.d/* and /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:32.49 | dlynes | csc`, Slackware was /etc/rc.d/rc.modules, but I believe even it's changed |
| 04:33.28 | csc` | dlynes, didnt want to say ubuntu, but its the distro of choice for laptops imo |
| 04:33.47 | csc` | dlynes, its been awhile since ive had to use an 'actual' distro, if you get what i mean |
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| 04:36.28 | pclov3r | Ubuntu is great if you want a unstable system that your allways fixing :) |
| 04:36.45 | pclov3r | !sns |
| 04:36.45 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 04:37.14 | csc` | pclov3r, ive found ubuntu to be quite the opposite tbh |
| 04:37.35 | csc` | i use it for a replacement for something id put windows on, and it works quite nicely at that |
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| 04:37.42 | csc` | currently using the lubuntu variant |
| 04:37.56 | pclov3r | Do you use debian? |
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| 04:38.14 | csc` | im familiar with internals of it, but dont typically use it, no |
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| 04:38.23 | pclov3r | why are you here then? lol just curious |
| 04:38.48 | csc` | pclov3r, because ubuntu is debian based and trying to get answers from #ubuntu is like trying to find a needle in a haystack |
| 04:38.58 | csc` | my vps is also running squeeze |
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| 04:39.55 | pclov3r | I don't think it's based much on debian now |
| 04:40.04 | csc` | nah, not really |
| 04:40.11 | pclov3r | The start yes |
| 04:40.13 | pclov3r | but not now |
| 04:40.21 | BackEndCoder | i installed ubuntu once |
| 04:40.26 | BackEndCoder | then i uninstalled it |
| 04:40.43 | csc` | i miss the old ubuntu versions, without unity or whatever the hell it was |
| 04:40.49 | csc` | i was fine with crap brown gnome |
| 04:41.01 | csc` | cant even get that anymore, really |
| 04:41.27 | csc` | i think the main reason i use ubuntu on laptops is due to the fact that their upgrades tend to be very seamless. |
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| 04:41.44 | csc` | as apposed to something like arch, where updating the core can be tedious |
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| 04:41.53 | pclov3r | i still like the 2.6.32 kerenl |
| 04:42.16 | nsadmin | for your vps, support is available here... for anything "based on debian": |
| 04:42.17 | pclov3r | well 2.6.32-5 |
| 04:42.23 | nsadmin | !based on debian |
| 04:42.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 04:42.58 | csc` | nsadmin, im aware. only issue i have with the vps is i cannot get dovecot to work if it were to save my life |
| 04:43.06 | nsadmin | "we don't and cannot know" isn't quite true |
| 04:43.26 | pclov3r | #dovecot ? |
| 04:43.34 | nsadmin | what is true, is it's a load issue to have helpers required to know all of them |
| 04:43.55 | csc` | hence why i asked about /debian/ systems |
| 04:43.57 | csc` | and not ubuntu |
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| 04:44.22 | csc` | i can find it if i have a lead to go on, its been awhile. |
| 04:45.05 | csc` | curious, how does debian do its package releases? only tested and stable? |
| 04:45.08 | nsadmin | it was admittedly preemptive |
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| 04:46.46 | csc` | trying to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of switching to debian for a laptop |
| 04:46.50 | nsadmin | "releases" are for stable... there's no other "release"... having said all that, they're all available |
| 04:47.14 | nsadmin | what do you usually like for a laptop |
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| 04:47.36 | csc` | easy setup and carefree maintenance |
| 04:47.43 | nsadmin | debian is historically more about servers and stability |
| 04:47.48 | csc` | of course |
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| 04:48.29 | KsM | csc`: I use wheezy on my laptop currently |
| 04:48.36 | csc` | ive been meaning to try out fedora, but i dont particularly like rpm distros. usually when push comes to shove i stuff debian on it |
| 04:48.48 | csc` | stable and im familiar with it |
| 04:49.02 | nsadmin | csc`, what dist or os have you been running on the laptop |
| 04:49.59 | csc` | nsadmin, just ubuntu. i ran arch on another one in the past, but it just became too hard to maintain |
| 04:50.09 | csc` | currently lubuntu though |
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| 04:51.18 | KsM | Is there any chance of Unity coming to Jessie maybe? |
| 04:51.38 | csc` | ick |
| 04:51.47 | csc` | i hate the new vanilla ubuntu |
| 04:51.58 | csc` | or unity, gnome shell, whatever the name of it is |
| 04:52.35 | KsM | I prefer Unity rather than gnome-shell, but above both I think I'd like cinnamon better, but that hasn't come to testing yet, but I'm pretty sure it's coming around by jessie |
| 04:52.53 | KsM | cinnamon instead of gnome3 on a whole |
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| 04:55.22 | csc` | KsM, curious, whats cinnamon in a nutshell? |
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| 04:55.29 | csc` | fork of something? |
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| 04:55.55 | KsM | I believe it was a fork of gnome3 to act/look like gnome2 |
| 04:56.04 | csc` | oh nice |
| 04:56.10 | KsM | I haven't actually tried it yet but the screenshots look nice |
| 04:56.11 | csc` | that should be interesting |
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| 05:15.03 | moogler | Is there any reason why a second monitor would not be detected by xrandr? |
| 05:15.22 | nevyn | because it's broken? |
| 05:15.30 | moogler | It's not broken though |
| 05:15.43 | csc` | are you positive? |
| 05:15.46 | moogler | Yes |
| 05:15.59 | moogler | Because it's duplicating the display on the second monitor |
| 05:16.05 | moogler | But it's not showing up on xrandr |
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| 05:16.52 | nevyn | paste.debian.net please |
| 05:17.17 | moogler | Hmm? |
| 05:17.48 | moogler | 1 second |
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| 05:20.23 | moogler | Alright, what did you want me to paste? |
| 05:22.23 | rwp | moogler, show in a pastebin the xrandr output where you say xrandr doesn't find your second monitor. |
| 05:23.33 | moogler | http://pastebin.com/03YHxUw8 |
| 05:23.40 | rwp | My second monitor shows up as HDMI2 next to HDMI1. |
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| 05:23.50 | rwp | So to use xrandr I use: xrandr --auto --output HDMI2 --right-of HDMI1 |
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| 05:26.53 | moogler | I'm not seeing my second monitor through xrandr though |
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| 05:28.07 | moogler | I should be seeing it right? |
| 05:28.07 | rwp | Hmm... First, I don't know. Second, maybe your graphics card does not support dual monitor support. Third, hopefully someone else will actually know. |
| 05:29.05 | rwp | What is the lspci output for your graphics card? Typically: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 05:29.49 | moogler | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 05:29.51 | moogler | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev a1) |
| 05:30.00 | moogler | I'm on a laptop |
| 05:30.29 | rwp | Hmm... As far as I know most laptops do not support true dual monitor support. But yours might. |
| 05:30.37 | rwp | Looks like you have two graphics adaptors? |
| 05:30.44 | moogler | Yes |
| 05:30.50 | rwp | That seems like it should do it. |
| 05:30.56 | moogler | The second monitor is duplicating the display |
| 05:31.01 | moogler | I would like it to extend the display |
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| 05:32.59 | rwp | moogler, Sorry I don't know directly. Words to google for are "xinerama" and "twinview". With two graphics cards I think you need to configure xinerama. I have always had a single card and used twinview. |
| 05:33.15 | rwp | Unless someone else can suggest something better. |
| 05:35.34 | rwp | moogler, Don't give up looking. It seems like your hardware should be able to do it. Keep looking and asking and you will find the answer. |
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| 05:35.50 | moogler | Ok cool |
| 05:35.52 | moogler | Thanks for the help |
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| 05:59.42 | iluminato_ | specing, mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:device=/dev/video1 -fps 30 |
| 05:59.44 | iluminato_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:02.08 | bolt | what? |
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| 06:08.38 | ASHER1 | Hello |
| 06:08.47 | ASHER1 | where i can download debain? |
| 06:09.08 | Jimini | ASHER1: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 06:09.44 | ASHER1 | thanks but what i need to download? |
| 06:10.02 | Jimini | ASHER1: I also recommend to take a look at the topic and enter "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 06:10.06 | somiaj | ASHER1: the netinstall image should be fine in most cases with a good internet connenction. |
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| 06:11.21 | Weox | hello, my Cpu is Atlm N450 , i should install i686 or x86 version ?? |
| 06:11.25 | ASHER1 | i want install debian on windows |
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| 06:11.47 | Jimini | ASHER1: Debian is an operating system, no program which can be used under windows |
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| 06:12.49 | ASHER1 | this no look like ubuntu? |
| 06:13.12 | Jimini | ASHER1 what do you mean with "look"? it's not a theme or something like that |
| 06:13.27 | boudiccas | ubuntu is also an operatin gsystem, which cannot be installed on MS windows |
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| 06:14.02 | Jimini | where can I contribute a german translation of the amavis-templates? yesterday I found many typos and mistakes and would like to provide a correct translation |
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| 06:15.37 | ASHER1 | i never no using in debian and i try find install |
| 06:16.15 | Jimini | ASHER1: usually, you download an image, burn it to cd/dvd and boot from that medium. afterwards, you can install debian on your system |
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| 06:18.08 | ASHER1 | but from windows xp i can install? |
| 06:18.18 | boudiccas | ASHER1, no |
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| 06:18.28 | ASHER1 | ok |
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| 06:21.41 | anddam | why isn't gnupg-curl going to be installed in http://d.pr/i/7JH5 even if there's --with-recommends ? |
| 06:22.21 | somiaj | try full-upgrade |
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| 06:42.18 | anddam | somiaj: I already did, this is weird IMHO http://d.pr/i/HrNo and http://d.pr/i/6Mj9 |
| 06:43.07 | anddam | I understand upgrading behavior is different but why even 'install gnupg' doesn't pull in the recommended? |
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| 06:43.34 | rwp | anddam, What happens if you try to install gnupg-curl directly? |
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| 06:46.14 | anddam | I guess it's gonna be installed |
| 06:46.26 | anddam | yes, it does |
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| 06:46.36 | anddam | but that doesn't solve my issue |
| 06:47.05 | rwp | I was mostly wondering if it was uninstallable and that was why it wasn't being offered. |
| 06:47.08 | rwp | Is it held? |
| 06:47.26 | anddam | how do I check it? |
| 06:47.26 | rwp | dpkg --get-selections | grep gnupg-curl |
| 06:47.26 | dpkg | rwp: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 06:47.44 | rwp | The dpkg robot can be quite funny sometimes. :-) |
| 06:48.02 | anddam | grep didn't match a thing |
| 06:48.41 | anddam | (I purged the package after installing |
| 06:49.00 | anddam | can a non-installed package be held? |
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| 06:51.07 | rwp | If it is purged then it wouldn't be held. |
| 06:51.38 | rwp | Does apt-get also avoid the install of gnupg-curl? |
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| 06:56.48 | stefan877 | I have debootstrapped debian target starts but some commands like "top" or "free" doesn't work on this ARM board. Because /proc and /sys are empty - kernel 3.6.2. |
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| 06:57.13 | stefan877 | are they not automatically created? |
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| 06:57.57 | niels2 | anddam, rwp, i think aptitude defaults to not install a recommended package if you have forced it to remove that package in the past. it keeps a status about such things |
| 06:59.02 | rwp | niels2, Hmm... Yet another reason for me to prefer apt-get. :-) |
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| 06:59.20 | anddam | niels2: if I should say, I never did that, this is a somehow clean netinstall that I installed in virtualbox and I'm setting on testing |
| 06:59.46 | anddam | niels2: by "forced" do you mean a -f or a common remove/purge? |
| 06:59.48 | niels2 | rwp, well, i find that a really useful feature. i often remove packages that are recommended but that i don't want, and then later when upgrading, aptitude doesn't bother me about that package anymore |
| 07:00.15 | niels2 | anddam, i mean removed/purged while some other package that recommended it was installed |
| 07:00.35 | rwp | niels2, I jusy normally turn off installing Recommends. |
| 07:00.41 | anddam | ok, but in that case there should be a flag to tell aptitude "install recommends no matter what" |
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| 07:01.08 | anddam | so you can have two tiers "recommended packages that were never explicitly uninstalled" and "all recommended packages now" |
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| 07:01.13 | rwp | stefan877, You debootstrap'd a target. Did you fix up /etc/fstab for /proc and /sys? |
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| 07:01.51 | anddam | not that I cannot install gnupg-curl, I was trying to know aptitude a little better |
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| 07:02.07 | niels2 | rwp, i don't. i want to see the recommends first. and if i decide i don't want a recommends, i like to not be bothered about it in the future. that's exactly what it does |
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| 07:02.56 | rwp | Sounds good. |
| 07:04.13 | stefan877 | rwp: there is now "proc /proc proc defaults 0 0" |
| 07:04.18 | stefan877 | rwp: proc is empty |
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| 07:04.40 | rwp | And after 'mount /proc'? |
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| 07:05.45 | stefan877 | rwp: this works. does it not automatically mount? |
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| 07:06.34 | rwp | I forget which script in /etc/init.d mounts /proc. But this normally happens at boot time. |
| 07:06.47 | rwp | Something about how you have set up the system is missing a step. |
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| 07:07.48 | stefan877 | rwp: at this time there is only a minimal debian, all packages with standard prio are not installed yet |
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| 07:08.38 | plumps | hello everybody, i want to setup a audit remote server. is it possible that the audit daemon write the messages form every node in an separate log-file? |
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| 07:10.55 | stefan877 | rwp: but /sys is empty. on debian x64 machine sys is full but without fstab entry... |
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| 07:20.27 | stefan877 | there is another error - not enough RAM for "dpkg-reconfigure locales": http://paste.debian.net/203757/ |
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| 07:44.04 | graham1 | why do i have to manually do a chmod -R 777 /home/user after new files are downloaded by transmission? |
| 07:44.19 | graham1 | how do i make sure the permissions get automatically applied? |
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| 07:48.26 | iDrac | graham1: most likely in transmission config |
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| 07:49.32 | plumps | graham1: umask |
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| 07:53.32 | graham1 | in settings.json? whats umask about? |
| 07:53.56 | graham1 | umask is set to 2 |
| 07:53.58 | graham1 | im googling umask now |
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| 08:26.24 | lewix | why were we spammed by debian chanserv |
| 08:26.32 | lewix | is shrugging |
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| 08:36.13 | BenjiArts | Hi guys, shocking cool vid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuJat9jMqY |
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| 08:39.25 | mr0wl | anyone know of low powered devices that would make great debian servers? |
| 08:40.07 | Sm0ke0ut | depends on what you're planning to do with it |
| 08:40.35 | Sm0ke0ut | I'v running an Atom and Raspberry Pi myself w/ Debian OS |
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| 08:45.30 | mr0wl | Sm0ke0ut: just run a personal mail server and do some ruby developing |
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| 08:46.01 | mr0wl | nothing really exhausting |
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| 08:46.35 | mr0wl | Sm0ke0ut: is your atom machine custom built? |
| 08:47.14 | mr0wl | right now i've got a old P4 2GB machine, that's really power hungry |
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| 08:49.02 | Sm0ke0ut | sort of. The processor was integrated into the motherboard |
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| 08:52.54 | Sm0ke0ut | http://pastebin.com/YV8Za5Gr - http://media.fayntic.com/server/fuzzel/2011-06-15_21-34-13_544.jpg |
| 08:53.00 | Sm0ke0ut | worked fine for me :) |
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| 08:53.02 | epsilon | Atom would be faster than P4 |
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| 08:55.10 | epsilon | ah ok, tomshardware says depending on application |
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| 08:56.35 | Sm0ke0ut | they've newer technology so in that way :) |
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| 08:56.45 | ChrisH | epsilon: I was just starting to disagree on P4 slower then Atom. Atoms tend to be slow on single thread performance, but fantastic in powersaving. |
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| 08:59.08 | Lasse- | Atoms are some of the worst processors speed-wise |
| 08:59.27 | Lasse- | only reason one would want them is really low power usage |
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| 08:59.52 | Sm0ke0ut | hehe :) |
| 09:00.35 | epsilon | sure, low power is what its ment for |
| 09:00.36 | zinx | lol |
| 09:00.43 | zinx | "fantastic" compared to P4 maybe |
| 09:00.51 | zinx | intel's still lightyears behind ARM chips |
| 09:00.55 | Sm0ke0ut | The new generation Atom's should be a lot faster though |
| 09:01.21 | Mogget | Hey guys. Strugling to get setxkbmap to work when automatizing. Any ideas why? http://paste.moshwire.com/?43 |
| 09:01.59 | Sm0ke0ut | But for me it worked fine as it's only taking care of the routing/firewall :-) |
| 09:02.00 | epsilon | is arm faster than atom? |
| 09:02.16 | Lasse- | epsilon: That depends on the chip. |
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| 09:02.50 | Lasse- | Brand new Android-phones tend to have 1,4GHz quadcore ARM |
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| 09:03.18 | Sm0ke0ut | doesn't mean it's faster persé |
| 09:03.24 | Lasse- | Yeah of course. |
| 09:04.14 | Sm0ke0ut | the same comparison if you'd take AMD "bulldozer" against Intel i7 |
| 09:04.23 | epsilon | Lasse-: mean fastest available chips with embedded board |
| 09:04.25 | Sm0ke0ut | on paper the AMD should be faster |
| 09:04.31 | Sm0ke0ut | but it's really not |
| 09:04.33 | Lasse- | AMD sucks. |
| 09:04.34 | epsilon | so you can run own debian |
| 09:05.02 | ChrisH | remebers some years ago when Sun Ultra 10 (440MHz CPU) was new and the first compiler runs where disappointing as they took double time compared to Sun Ultra 1 (177MHz). Ultra 1 CPU had (at least) double Cache. |
| 09:05.29 | Lasse- | It's pretty sad to see AMD's new Bulldozers and Phenoms with their 4-8 cores losing to dualcore i3 in single/two threaded apps |
| 09:05.44 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 09:05.52 | Lasse- | and even in with more threads, Intel's not always losing by the mark it should |
| 09:06.11 | Lasse- | New piledriver's a bit better though. |
| 09:06.25 | Lasse- | makes a decent multimedia-workstation if you're on low budget |
| 09:06.34 | gnarface | points Lasse- to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:06.53 | Lasse- | This is in topic, kinda, uh, nevermind. |
| 09:07.04 | Sm0ke0ut | =) |
| 09:07.20 | epsilon | everything is ontopic as long it can be run with debian :) |
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| 09:07.52 | Sm0ke0ut | so how about phones (because they can run debian)? ;-) |
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| 09:08.07 | Lasse- | I have a phone that can run Debian officially. |
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| 09:08.30 | Lasse- | But it's so terrible device I have ditched it a long time ago. |
| 09:08.52 | gnarface | true story: up until recently i thought ECC ram parity was a feature everyone had had pretty much by default for free for the last decade. as an AMD customer i didn't realize that for Intel customers the same feature (and many others) come at a much higher price, and this one is rare to the point of being absurd. but keep putting your value all in gaming performance benchmarks because ... you didn't care about the cost anyway r |
| 09:08.53 | gnarface | ight? |
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| 09:09.32 | gnarface | oh how about hardware encryption on board? yea not with any intel motherboard less than 350$, suckers |
| 09:09.41 | gnarface | 3-way SLI? yea fucking right |
| 09:09.44 | superlinux-hp | erm, i have added a script in /etc/init.d/ as a startup script . but i need the command that will let me put the symlinks to /etc/rc . what's the command? |
| 09:09.50 | gnarface | overclocking? complete joke |
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| 09:09.55 | Lasse- | gnarface: erm? gaming is the only thing AMD has any change. |
| 09:10.02 | Lasse- | in anything else i5/i7 murders them all with one hand. |
| 09:10.02 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: update-rc.d |
| 09:10.03 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: update-rc.d |
| 09:10.13 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 09:10.28 | zach11 | what is the difference in having an x or an ! in the second field in the /etc/shadow file? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html says about /etc/passwd that ! is no login for the account and x is defined in the /etc/shadow file. what does the x mean when its in the /etc/shadow file |
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| 09:11.03 | gnarface | zach11: no pasword? |
| 09:11.27 | zach11 | gnarface: isnt that * or ! ? no login? |
| 09:11.33 | gnarface | Lasse-: you clearly missed my point |
| 09:11.50 | Lasse- | gnarface: Not really, I do not need hardware encryption? |
| 09:12.07 | Lasse- | Only thing I really care about is the raw computing power. |
| 09:12.16 | gnarface | zach11: i thought it was ! in /etc/passwd ; shadow is only for passwords but you didn't set one so... what's the confusion? |
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| 09:12.22 | superlinux-hp | so if i understand the manual well, it will be for example : update-rc.d myscript enable 2 ? |
| 09:12.46 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: i forget i usually just make the symlinks manually but that looks kinda right |
| 09:12.49 | zach11 | gnarface: what does x stand for in the /etc/shadow file |
| 09:13.01 | zach11 | it isnt explained in this document |
| 09:13.07 | gnarface | Lasse-: the only thing you care about is penis size. you don't know benchmarks from ear marks and you don't know bandwidth from ass width |
| 09:13.19 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: you might want to add a -f to get it immediately done |
| 09:13.23 | Trewas | gnarface: intel has hardware aes too |
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| 09:13.30 | Lasse- | gnarface: calling names now are we, really nice? |
| 09:13.45 | gnarface | Trewas: the point was 1) you're all off topic and 2) you're all wrong |
| 09:13.59 | Trewas | gnarface: yes, where "you" includes also you :) |
| 09:15.04 | AndroUser | Hi. I installed Debian using the small network image, but didn't have internet. So it only installed the base system. Can I rerun the installer somehow? |
| 09:15.14 | superlinux-hp | ok thanks.. there are examples the manual bottom |
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| 09:16.52 | gnarface | AndroUser: you can re-install but there is really no need. there is nothing the installer does that was your "last chance" or anything |
| 09:17.32 | ChrisH | AndroUser: Laptop with Wifi? |
| 09:17.44 | gnarface | AndroUser: you can instead just use aptitude or apt-get or synaptic to install whatever you wanted to install during installation. i typically do it that way anyway |
| 09:18.10 | gnarface | AndroUser: obviously you're gonna have to get a network connection of some sort first.... |
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| 09:18.51 | AndroUser | Yep. I have wlan connection now, but it required an ucode image and some wget trickery (to submit a form).. Can I bring up the "meta-package" selection somehow? |
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| 09:21.29 | AndroUser | Also ineither have gnome-desktopor xfce in apt-cache, even though the update succeded.. Do I need more repos than just squeeze-updates main? |
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| 09:21.56 | gnarface | AndroUser: hmm. you'd think you would be able to. i don't know for sure. maybe there is a meta-package that is the equivalent of "Desktop" from the installer selection. also maybe try tasksel? i think that might be the name of the tool that part of the installer runs |
| 09:22.36 | eliteprodigy | I have a "project" in my /home/myuser/Documents folder linked to my /var/www but I'm getting a 403 when trying access it on localhost. |
| 09:22.51 | gnarface | AndroUser: well the metapackage for gnome is like "gnome" i think maybe you're just confused because you're looking for everything under Ubuntu names? keep in mind that dependencies will be included automatically so you don't have to worry about that. |
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| 09:22.56 | eliteprodigy | I have this working for another directory, but can't for the life of me remember how I did it. |
| 09:23.02 | AndroUser | Taskel gives me the optionto install dns/web/ftp servers... No option for desktops or laptop tools |
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| 09:23.26 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: look for an apache option "SymlinksIfOwnersMatch" or something like that |
| 09:23.38 | ChrisH | eliteprodigy: man chgrp and man chmod |
| 09:23.47 | AndroUser | I greped for gnome and desktop and didn't get a package |
| 09:24.21 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: I've ran chgrp and chmod on the directory already, but I'll have another go, maybe I mistyped something. |
| 09:24.27 | gnarface | AndroUser: really? maybe your repos are messed up then |
| 09:24.33 | gnarface | AndroUser: pastebin your sources.list |
| 09:24.54 | gnarface | AndroUser: jsut so we're clear you tried it like this right? "apt-cache search ^gnome" |
| 09:24.56 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, and gnarface i have made a TCL/Tk script about setting the Laptop screen brightness. here is the script http://superlinux.zxq.net/xrandr.tar.gz . all i want is add it to the default repositories of Debian . so how? here is a demonstration http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOnMYpFvpik. |
| 09:24.58 | gnarface | and you got... NO packages? |
| 09:25.29 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 09:25.37 | gnarface | tell superlinux-hp about mentors |
| 09:25.42 | gnarface | dpkg: tell superlinux-hp about mentors |
| 09:25.48 | superlinux-hp | thanks |
| 09:25.56 | AndroUser | Pastebin frm a root shell? How? :-) i get chromium-browser iceweasel and libxml2 |
| 09:26.16 | gnarface | AndroUser: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 09:27.54 | AndroUser | Unable to locate package... Sources.list basivally has http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main in it.. |
| 09:28.10 | AndroUser | And once again with security.debian.org instead |
| 09:28.56 | AndroUser | Apt-get update runs without problems.. |
| 09:28.58 | gnarface | AndroUser: you're missing this: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 09:29.33 | gnarface | AndroUser: and this too but you'll probably not need it: deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 09:29.41 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, did you see the demo? |
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| 09:31.15 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: i did not. don't confuse me for someone who actually is a mentor or who can put you in contact with any of them. and just so you're clear; getting authority to just put packages into the debian project is not something you can do in a single sitting. |
| 09:32.02 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: if you just want to get this onto your own boxes easily (without sneakernet) you can just run your own private repo though, and then you won't have to follow anyone's rules |
| 09:32.06 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: I've run: sudo chgrp -R www-data sdbetatemp/ and sudo chmod -R g+rwx sdbetatemp/ to no avail. Still getting the 403. |
| 09:32.20 | AndroUser | Thank you, |
| 09:32.32 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, no! no!.. i am not asking that.. i am going by the book like you guided me.. but i asked. |
| 09:32.45 | superlinux-hp | just asking. thanks anyways |
| 09:32.52 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: good luck |
| 09:33.10 | AndroUser | It worked :-). I can now install graphical desktop and laptop with tasksel.. Awesome |
| 09:33.22 | ChrisH | eliteprodigy: pastebin the output onto ONE page please: ps -efl | grep apache ; ls -ld sdbetatemp/ /home/myuser/Documents /home/myuser/Documents/* |
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| 09:33.39 | superlinux-hp | well I made those scripts 'cos the fn keys on my laptop don't work as expected |
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| 09:34.20 | superlinux-hp | the progress bar of the brightness shows and works without any effect |
| 09:35.32 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: hah. a truly noble effort but with this level of skill could you not also have as easily fixed the existing functionality to work right? |
| 09:35.49 | AndroUser | Okay, had tokill tasksel and it didn't release the apt lock.. Can I do that manually? |
| 09:36.08 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: what Laptop? With all of mine it worked out of the box. |
| 09:36.19 | superlinux-hp | so is there a way to guide my brightness applet to read the correct file in /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness? |
| 09:36.24 | gnarface | AndroUser: one would think but i've never had the apt-lock fail to release.... |
| 09:36.31 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/zRsqvfme |
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| 09:37.56 | superlinux-hp | mine is new. HP Pavillion dv6 6120se |
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| 09:38.11 | ChrisH | eliteprodigy: chmod 750 /home/david/Documents ; consider chmod 755 /home/david/Documents/sdbetatemp in case apache should not be able to write to your home |
| 09:38.27 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, gnarface here ar the laptop details http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c03000373 |
| 09:39.10 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: modprobe hp-wmi tested? |
| 09:39.23 | superlinux-hp | let me check |
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| 09:39.35 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: i assume that the only possible issue if you managed to make your own that works is simply the existing utility (probably part of your window manager?) is sending the wrong key signals. |
| 09:40.00 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: usually this is something easy to change, even in the code |
| 09:40.05 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: No go. Still 403 |
| 09:40.22 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: and I switched to unstable when I got my HP ProBook 6460b |
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| 09:41.24 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: you're going through a lot of trouble to symlink your home directory to your docroot. have you considered just using mod_userdir instead? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html |
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| 09:41.41 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, must I reboot or logout Xorg? cos i added the hp-wmi.. nothing happened in gnnome. |
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| 09:41.55 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: you're never gonna figure out the symlink thing until you learn apache virtual host syntax AND have mastered chmod/chown |
| 09:42.14 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: It's working already for another folder in my Documents folder. |
| 09:42.30 | eliteprodigy | For whatever reason, it won't replicate. |
| 09:42.37 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: ... and if you'd read the chmod+chown manpages you'd know whatever that reason was |
| 09:42.48 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: you should be able to solve this just by using ls -l and chmod/chown |
| 09:42.55 | superlinux-hp | i'll logout.. i'll see |
| 09:42.58 | superlinux-hp | brb |
| 09:43.04 | eliteprodigy | Everything is owned properly. |
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| 09:43.36 | eliteprodigy | And if it isn't, it's the utilities not erroring out correctly on a fail. |
| 09:44.01 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: 1) were either of these folders ever part of a virtual machine 2) is selinux installed? 3) are you using extended attributes/acls on your filesystem? 4) is anything involved network-mounted ? |
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| 09:45.03 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: permissions, paths, ports |
| 09:45.10 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: double check them all |
| 09:45.45 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: maybe its just a typo in a path or something? try making the permissions identical. |
| 09:46.05 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: it IS possible the filesystem has hidden ACLs or the like but most people don't use that shit unless they use selinux |
| 09:46.25 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: Nope, i've created it all locally on my desktop within the last 10 min or so. Yes, I believe selinux is installed but isn't affecting the current folder that is working and since I don't know what extended attrbs/acls are I'll say no. And no, no network mounting for anything on this machine. |
| 09:46.53 | gnarface | and you remembered to restart apache? |
| 09:46.57 | eliteprodigy | Wait, is selinux an AV? |
| 09:47.07 | gnarface | eh, its more like IC |
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| 09:47.28 | eliteprodigy | I have 2 AVs installed, clam and something else though I believe I only use clam. |
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| 09:47.36 | gnarface | moreover its security through obscurity. its annoying and actually useless as a defense against anyone who knows selinux 101. |
| 09:48.09 | gnarface | its VERY effective at securing a system from its own users though |
| 09:48.17 | superlinux-hp | the hp-wmi made no effect |
| 09:48.18 | eliteprodigy | At this point perhaps I've screwed up a vhost. |
| 09:48.36 | ChrisH | AV? Antivirus? but what is IC? |
| 09:49.02 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: i'd say if you've got selinux enabled its your secondary suspect, with the primary one being user error (since you say another user's directory works fine and its unlikely their permissions would be fundamentally different by default....) |
| 09:49.28 | gnarface | ChrisH: intrusion countermeasures |
| 09:49.31 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: No, this is another directory in my own home folder. |
| 09:49.48 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, just a silly joke "IC and i river" heh |
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| 09:50.08 | eliteprodigy | This is my home development machine, I don't have users abound needing easy access to /var/www |
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| 09:50.57 | eliteprodigy | I should have bookmarked that bloody tutorial. |
| 09:51.10 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: well Options Symlinks is enabled in your virtualhost right? note that debian's apache defaults are much more restrictive than ubuntu and fedora |
| 09:51.17 | ChrisH | wonders if a development box at home needs IC and SELLinux |
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| 09:53.12 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: I'm not super-hip on the the whole *nix thang, so I'm not 100% if I have SELinux, I do know I have ClamAV installed and something else, but I've only ever tried configuring ClamAV because it has a UI. |
| 09:54.02 | eliteprodigy | No, no SELinux popping up anywhere. |
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| 09:57.48 | eliteprodigy | Okay, no, not a vhost issue. |
| 09:57.59 | eliteprodigy | There's not a vHost in site in my apache configuration. |
| 09:58.45 | eliteprodigy | Does it matter that the working symlink is blue and the non-working one is red? |
| 09:59.01 | eliteprodigy | Actually, that's weird. |
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| 09:59.13 | gnarface | facepalms |
| 09:59.54 | ChrisH | man chcol ? |
| 10:00.21 | eliteprodigy | man chcol? |
| 10:00.43 | ChrisH | just kidding |
| 10:00.54 | eliteprodigy | lol |
| 10:01.16 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: yes, it matters. |
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| 10:01.38 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: red symlinks aren't pointing to valid paths |
| 10:01.40 | eliteprodigy | So how does one make a red symlink blue? |
| 10:01.58 | gnarface | lol recalibrate your monitor definitely |
| 10:02.01 | eliteprodigy | When I CD to the symlink it was working. |
| 10:02.19 | gnarface | *was* ? |
| 10:02.22 | gnarface | past tense? |
| 10:02.40 | gnarface | if it WAS working then i'm sure what you are trying to do DID work once |
| 10:02.51 | eliteprodigy | david@poseidon:/var/www$ cd sdbetatemp |
| 10:02.52 | eliteprodigy | bash: cd: sdbetatemp: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 10:03.10 | gnarface | well that's fairly explanatory |
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| 10:04.00 | eliteprodigy | Well, if it made sense. |
| 10:04.19 | gnarface | well if your setup made any sense you wouldn't have problems that don't make sense |
| 10:04.19 | eliteprodigy | I cd'd into the /var/www and re-created the symlink and it worked this time. |
| 10:04.26 | gnarface | maybe you created a symlink loop? |
| 10:04.28 | eliteprodigy | But I typed it exactly as I had before. |
| 10:04.49 | eliteprodigy | Anyway |
| 10:04.53 | eliteprodigy | drumrolls |
| 10:05.09 | eliteprodigy | Well, it's breathing. |
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| 10:05.38 | gnarface | does that mean you just fixed it? |
| 10:05.57 | eliteprodigy | Ha! Me? I'm hopeless. |
| 10:06.06 | gnarface | clearly |
| 10:06.08 | eliteprodigy | It's fixed. |
| 10:06.27 | eliteprodigy | But I'd be hunting down the sledge hammer by now if IRC didn't exist. |
| 10:06.37 | gnarface | indeed |
| 10:06.46 | gnarface | may i recommend once again instead the documentation.... |
| 10:06.51 | gnarface | its cheaper than a sledge hammer |
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| 10:07.24 | eliteprodigy | I sprung for the tower made from WW2 tank armor. :D |
| 10:07.57 | nsadmin | and, what? you haven't read the assembly instructions? |
| 10:08.01 | eliteprodigy | I've read all the documentation. |
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| 10:08.45 | eliteprodigy | None of it states "if your symlink is red, try creating it from a different directory!" |
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| 10:09.15 | eliteprodigy | Well, not ALL the documentation. It's probably longer than HPHBP. |
| 10:09.20 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: you just didn't read the right ones. read man ln |
| 10:09.34 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: start you know with the *relevant* documentation |
| 10:09.42 | nsadmin | then at least now, you have a sense of where to find specific sections |
| 10:09.51 | eliteprodigy | But I know the syntax for ln. |
| 10:10.02 | eliteprodigy | I |
| 10:10.14 | eliteprodigy | I'd never think to look at it because of a red symlink. |
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| 10:10.28 | eliteprodigy | I thought it was because of the permissions on the file it was linking to. :S |
| 10:10.37 | eliteprodigy | Yes yes, documentation. |
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| 10:11.47 | eliteprodigy | It's just so tedious. |
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| 10:13.36 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: are you really that dense, you tit? red means you fucking typed the path wrong. you need to understand directories. you need to stop blaming the system for your mistakes |
| 10:14.14 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: if it worked "when you typed it again from a different directory" that means the paths you used were relative to that directory |
| 10:14.29 | nsadmin | the thing is we all go thru the tediousness you are now experiencing for the first time |
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| 10:14.43 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: relative paths start with ./ or a directory. absolute paths start with / and only absolute paths start with / |
| 10:14.59 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: I'm aware. |
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| 10:16.26 | eliteprodigy | WORKED: david@poseidon:/var/www$ sudo ln -s /home/david/Documents/sdbetatemp sdbetatemp | FALED: david@poseidon:/home/david/Documents$ sudo ln -s sdbetatemp /var/www/sdbetatemp |
| 10:17.19 | gnarface | sure because if you use absolute paths for both parameters then it doesn't matter what the current directory is. if you use a relative path then its implied that its relative *to the current directory* |
| 10:17.22 | eliteprodigy | They look like the exact same command to me, just from different directories. |
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| 10:18.13 | gnarface | your current directory is clearly shown in your prompt but you can also get it with the command 'pwd' if you need it canonically |
| 10:18.22 | eliteprodigy | I know that. |
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| 10:18.30 | eliteprodigy | ANd my prompt was shown in my paste. |
| 10:18.41 | gnarface | just making sure you understand all this |
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| 10:19.25 | gnarface | these are supposed to be the context cues that lead you towards understanding the difference between knowing how to figure something out and just knowing how to follow a tutorial if its pedantically accurate and up-to-date |
| 10:19.46 | gnarface | ... a train of thought that seems to have derailed for you |
| 10:19.56 | gnarface | just trying to put it back on the tracks to save you time |
| 10:19.58 | gnarface | sorry to be an ass about it |
| 10:20.15 | eliteprodigy | Unfortunately some of us require the information that we're to read to be...easy to read? |
| 10:20.30 | eliteprodigy | Unfortunately with *Nix documentation that is almost NEVER the case. |
| 10:21.09 | gnarface | i promise the more of it you read the easier it gets, there's just a certain amount of assumed knowledge in documentation of the level of apache configuration stuff that you're sortof leaping past |
| 10:21.21 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: think of it this way: symlinks contain just strings, not magic filesystem pointers. Just text. |
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| 10:21.52 | laurus | I have compiled a program in a subdirectory of my home directory and want to run it by typing the executable name from any location in the terminal. How can I do this? |
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| 10:22.30 | nsadmin | as I said we all went thru it. you say you'd have a sledgehammer if there were only documentation and no irc... I say you're wrong: you'd deal with it,,, else, you're not so elite or prodigious |
| 10:22.38 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: I know all of this. |
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| 10:23.18 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: And again, looking at the two commands I typed into the terminal, there is no reason either of them should fail. |
| 10:23.40 | apm1 | laurus, how did you compile it , gcc and make ? or just gcc --o ? |
| 10:23.46 | ChrisH | eliteprodigy: Both executed in the SAME directory? |
| 10:23.50 | eliteprodigy | No |
| 10:23.51 | laurus | apm1, yes, it had a makefile. |
| 10:23.52 | gnarface | laurus: the easiest way is to put it in a directory in your path or to add a directory to your path. if you add ~/bin and relog, the default login scripts will add that to your path |
| 10:24.08 | ChrisH | eliteprodigy: thats the difference. end of topic |
| 10:24.11 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: No. The Shell prompt was included. |
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| 10:24.19 | laurus | gnarface, what is "my path"? /home/myusername ? |
| 10:24.22 | gnarface | laurus: you can see your current path with: echo $PATH |
| 10:24.31 | laurus | gnarface, ah, thanks |
| 10:24.37 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: the one that failed, did it not create anything, or did it create a symlink that pointed to the wrong place? If the latter, then it could be argued you didn't understand what symlinks did |
| 10:24.39 | eliteprodigy | ChrisH: One was executed from /var/www the other from /home/david/Documents |
| 10:25.11 | gnarface | laurus: your "path" is a list of directories that are checked for commands in the way you are describing. don't confuse it with your current directory (cwd) which you can get with: pwd |
| 10:25.23 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: WORKED: david@poseidon:/var/www$ sudo ln -s /home/david/Documents/sdbetatemp sdbetatemp | FALED: david@poseidon:/home/david/Documents$ sudo ln -s sdbetatemp /var/www/sdbetatemp |
| 10:25.30 | gnarface | laurus: ... and pwd is not to be confused with passwd, which you use to change your password |
| 10:25.35 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: you did not specify HOW it failed |
| 10:25.53 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: did it not create anything, or did it create a symlink that pointed to the wrong place? |
| 10:25.54 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: It created a red symlink. |
| 10:26.01 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: that's expected |
| 10:26.25 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: Why? |
| 10:26.37 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: you told it to created a symlink with the content of "sdbetatemp" at this place: "/var/www/sdbetatemp" |
| 10:27.00 | nsadmin | the bottom line for anyone, no matter whether you come from money ang go to all the a-list parties... or not... you need to learn how to read reference documentation |
| 10:27.31 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: if "/var/www/sdbetatemp" did not exist, it would merely create a symlink pointing to "sdbetatemp", ie. itself in the samedirectory |
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| 10:27.41 | nsadmin | it will take time to learn... which makes your statement about how it's hard to read have a limited time value |
| 10:28.11 | mousymouse | how does one unmount the current session one is in? i need to make a partition |
| 10:28.26 | gnarface | nsadmin: well while that's true there are a lot of common tasks windows makes so easy that you don't have to actually understand the system to get the sense that you understand the system. this isn't exactly the case for linux but the use cases aren't molded professionally by a large commercial effort in a way to disguise that from you, so hense there's huge gap that makes linux seem... insulting to people at first |
| 10:28.38 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: And when reading reference documentation leaves you with the wrong answers, or underivable answers you have to learn how to come to IRC and ask for help only to be told repeatedly you should read the documentation that is not helping you. |
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| 10:29.17 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: ln does not magically the first argument is a path relative to your current directory. It's a string instead, and will be created and subsequently resolved from the directory where it's created |
| 10:29.44 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: i think if that's the case you read the documentation then expect something else besides what is written there to happen |
| 10:29.50 | mousymouse | in particular, i would like to use parted, but I dont think you can access it from command line, or at least I tried in grub which after looking only had a parttool, but even that doesnt work well |
| 10:29.58 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: if you're really reading it you have to actually comprehend it and *believe* it |
| 10:29.59 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: thus, ln -s does not create magical filesystem pointers -- it just puts strings |
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| 10:31.07 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: and if something doesn't make sense or isn't working the way the documentation says it should, then more often than not you need to retrace your steps because you've made a critical error in jugement somewhere ... |
| 10:31.26 | jelly-home | man, it took me years to grok symlinks and how ln works |
| 10:31.31 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, to which wrong answers do you refer? |
| 10:31.34 | eliteprodigy | <jelly-home> eliteprodigy: thus, ln -s does not create magical filesystem pointers -- it just puts strings |
| 10:31.43 | eliteprodigy | Funny, the documentation makes no mention of this. |
| 10:31.46 | eliteprodigy | At al. |
| 10:31.48 | jelly-home | if he says the docs suck, I completely believe it |
| 10:31.49 | eliteprodigy | *all. |
| 10:32.38 | eliteprodigy | The biggest downfall of the OpenSource community is and seemingly always will be documentation. |
| 10:32.56 | mousymouse | you could start by helping someone asking for advice in irc. |
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| 10:33.11 | eliteprodigy | Developers hate writing, users hate reading it, supporters love recommending what developers don't like to write/update and users don't like to read. |
| 10:33.17 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: oh, good documentation is more an exception than a rule with open source |
| 10:33.22 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: but this is the documentation to which you refer; did you actually read it? "In the 1st form, create a link to TARGET with the name LINK_NAME. In the 2nd form, create a link to TARGET in the current directory. In the 3rd and 4th forms, create links to each |
| 10:33.23 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.30 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: " When creating hard links, each TARGET must exist. Symbolic links can hold arbitrary text; if later |
| 10:33.30 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.41 | gnarface | that's pretty clear to me actually |
| 10:34.04 | gnarface | and its not clear to me how eliteprodigy could have misinterpereted it in the way he has if he honestly read it. i suspect he lied or is trolling because he's got a grudge. |
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| 10:34.34 | mousymouse | so... no one is going to answer me and would rather talk about documentation for helping newbies in open source |
| 10:34.35 | mousymouse | i see |
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| 10:34.47 | eliteprodigy | In no way does that mean to me "ln expects a string and doesn't accept a path to a file"? |
| 10:34.50 | mousymouse | would you guys point me to the more correct place? |
| 10:34.51 | gnarface | elik: one way or another, assuming you know how it works and then getting insulted because it doesn't work the way you wanted it to and you barely skimmed the docs isn't the right way to go about things |
| 10:34.53 | gnarface | sorry elik |
| 10:34.56 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: ^^ |
| 10:34.59 | eliteprodigy | And honestly, what you're explaining really doesn't make sense. |
| 10:35.11 | mousymouse | i feel like there is some kind of block here |
| 10:35.14 | mousymouse | like i dont exist |
| 10:35.16 | mousymouse | and i can talk |
| 10:35.19 | mousymouse | and no one can read |
| 10:35.34 | mousymouse | dicks penis ass tits |
| 10:35.39 | mousymouse | hmm. |
| 10:35.45 | gnarface | mousymouse: sorry. you can't. use a livecd |
| 10:35.46 | mousymouse | maybe it's internet. |
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| 10:36.20 | gnarface | mousymouse: you can't unmount your current root |
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| 10:36.59 | mousymouse | gnarface, great someone talking, so i'm going to try that, it's on live test then I can use parted on that? |
| 10:37.28 | gnarface | , it's on live test |
| 10:37.29 | gnarface | ? |
| 10:37.56 | mousymouse | gnarface, er, that's what the cd calls it, live test, or cd session |
| 10:38.14 | gnarface | not sure what that means but yea if you have a running live image you can typically configure your network and install parted to it if its not included, but its usually included. also i think there is a gparted livecd.... |
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| 10:41.17 | gnarface | mousymouse: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ you got your live image from here right? |
| 10:41.52 | mousymouse | gnarface, yeah, now here's a problem, i dont have parted installed but to install it, i need root, is there a default root password? |
| 10:41.59 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: Right, and yet none of that really answers the reason for the ln -s executed from my home dir created a bad link as apposed to the one executed from the www dir. The documentation for ln dense and thick and doesn't really give you any good idea as to how to actually use it, aside from the syntax and there if you follow that one would think that providing to a file or directory and giving it a place to link to would work. |
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| 10:42.20 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: yea though it does. it exactly answer is it and you're just refusing to see it. |
| 10:42.34 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: it SPECIFICALLY SAYS: Symbolic links can hold arbitrary text; if later |
| 10:42.34 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.39 | gnarface | FUCKING READ IT |
| 10:42.44 | gnarface | READ IT TILL YOU GET IT |
| 10:42.58 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, you need to read up and experiment to see what it does |
| 10:43.07 | gnarface | its not even dense or thick its a tiny single paragrah!!! |
| 10:43.37 | eliteprodigy | Anyway I have a ton of work to do and not nearly enough time to sit around and listen to people defend rubbish documentation rather than try to expound on said documentation to help someone better understand the confounded points it's trying to make/demonstrate. |
| 10:44.13 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: yea right, i bet. get to it then. |
| 10:44.35 | mousymouse | when in doubt, set your own password... why does debian do this? :< |
| 10:44.37 | nsadmin | so then you're ok with your reputation as what #perl would call a klb? |
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| 10:45.08 | eliteprodigy | A klb? |
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| 10:46.23 | nsadmin | you have all the information you need to (1) learn ln and (2) find out what a klb is... I will admit that at least some of my being triggered over this has to do with your nick |
| 10:46.43 | eliteprodigy | Hahahahaha! |
| 10:46.54 | nsadmin | but it's turning out that at least right now, you're acting the part |
| 10:47.23 | eliteprodigy | That's quite funny, actually. |
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| 10:47.39 | nsadmin | reading this kind of stuff is a SKILL, which takes effort to learn |
| 10:47.57 | nsadmin | if you don't have that skill now, it's not your fault |
| 10:48.02 | nsadmin | AND |
| 10:48.15 | eliteprodigy | My nick originated back when I was like 13, as a joke. I got so used to typing it and had a few different accounts around the place with it so changing it was too much of a task. Typing it comes naturally. |
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| 10:48.52 | nsadmin | you can take responsibility for that, and practice |
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| 10:50.36 | eliteprodigy | But if you seriously think that I'm some kind of brainless tit because I don't have time to sit around and pick through a man page that makes next to no sense unless you're at least somewhat expereinced *nix user then you're simply elitist prick. I've been using *nix as a primary OS for < a month now? Given I still spend a chunk of time on Windows and grew up on Windows |
| 10:51.07 | eliteprodigy | it's relatively easy to see how I might not understand a bit of documentation. |
| 10:51.23 | nsadmin | if you want to call it brainlessness, I'm just saying it's temporary if you decide to work on it |
| 10:51.28 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: i think you want me to be an elitist prick because i called you out on reading the documentation. you clearly never even looked at that fucking man page and you clearly glass over every time you see documentation because you're insulted to need more than a 3rd grade education to use free software |
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| 10:52.20 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: get over yourself and ACTUALLY read something for once rather than just speed scanning over it long enough to confirm your suspicion that we're all a bunch of elitist pricks but not long enough to become one. |
| 10:52.23 | mousymouse | manuals are fucking hard without a tutorial or a good intuition. |
| 10:52.41 | nsadmin | mousymouse, yes |
| 10:52.48 | gnarface | experimentation helps |
| 10:52.58 | gnarface | basic observational skills |
| 10:53.21 | mousymouse | it's also very time consuming and can be frustrating |
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| 10:53.58 | gnarface | sure but so can rebooting a windows box. the difference is no matter how smart you are the windows experience doesn't ever get any better. |
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| 10:54.29 | gnarface | on the other hand the linux experience doesn't hold anyone back just to not leave anyone behind |
| 10:55.25 | mousymouse | no, but the whole process can be an enigma, like learning differential calculus to learn how to do physics |
| 10:55.30 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: Really? I've graduated high school, in the top 5 to boot, so that's a bit presumptuous of you, don't you think? And assuming I've not read the fucking documentation because I didn't understand it is merely a cop-out to actually explaining what it means. The whole passage for ln is confusing for me. I've read it several times now in my terminal, not to mention your several pastes. |
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| 10:56.31 | eliteprodigy | Yet, rather than actually bother to try and explain why the behaviour is as it is using different vocabulary perhaps, I don't know, you sit there and patronize me, insisting I've not read the documentation I've clearly read. |
| 10:56.34 | mousymouse | some things really need to be simplified to grasp the bigger ideas is what i'm trying to get at, you can't just hand out the bible and expect everyone to learn |
| 10:56.53 | gnarface | eliteprodigy: yea but i also didn't cop out. didn't you read the half dozen different attempts i made to explain what you did wrong? the fundamental problem here is it was a dumb fucking bonehead clueless error, and you know you're too smart to make errors like that so that's why you still can't admit you actually did. you're a fish out of water angry at the sand. |
| 10:57.19 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, if you're not understanding what it means, could you show us the part you're having a problem with? |
| 10:57.44 | eliteprodigy | But really, I don't have time for this, my link is working and I could REALLY give two shits at this point as to why a bloody sim link doesn't behave as one would expect without disecting that damn passage you love to paste about the 3rd and fourth fouth forms. |
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| 10:57.57 | gnarface | *i* see the part he has a problem with. he just insists its stupid because he made a really embarrassing mistake and thought it was apache's fault |
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| 10:58.59 | jelly-home | gnarface: can youplease drop it, this helps nobody |
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| 10:59.09 | eliteprodigy | gnarface: I make embarassing mistakes all the time. Doesn't bother me, I LOVE Mistakes. Because I NEVER make the same mistake twice. |
| 10:59.34 | nsadmin | I do |
| 11:00.01 | eliteprodigy | Which is why it PISSES ME OFF when I try to figure out what I did wrong, and not only what but the WHY it was wrong and some twat simply would prefer to argue about man pages than expound. |
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| 11:00.56 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: The whole arbitrary thing. And someone said strings and pointers. The man says nothing about pointers and strings or whatever. |
| 11:01.33 | eliteprodigy | When I'm performing a file operation, I expect to be able to give it a file name/path and what not. |
| 11:01.59 | eliteprodigy | It's all one giant fucking string. |
| 11:02.12 | eliteprodigy | It's all strings. So where is somone pulling pointer from? |
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| 11:03.07 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, wait, you're reading about ln the lib call? |
| 11:03.27 | eliteprodigy | lib call? |
| 11:03.52 | nsadmin | is it ln(1) or ln(3)? |
| 11:03.58 | nsadmin | the man page that is |
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| 11:04.42 | eliteprodigy | Um, I see a man page with four example usages of ln at the top annotated with (1st 2nd etc) |
| 11:05.06 | nsadmin | there is ln the executable you use from the shell, and the man page for that should show LN(1) at the top |
| 11:05.28 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: the pointer is resolved at open() or stat() or whatever other syscall, and it's relative to the directory where the symlink is placed |
| 11:05.31 | eliteprodigy | Yes |
| 11:05.31 | nsadmin | and there is ln the C library call |
| 11:05.34 | tzarc | ln(3) doesn't exist, you're thinking [sym]link(2) |
| 11:05.50 | eliteprodigy | jelly-home: what pointer? |
| 11:05.51 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:06.11 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: I'm using it in the general sense. |
| 11:06.13 | tzarc | ln would more likely be natural logarithm :P |
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| 11:06.17 | jelly-home | it's a file path. |
| 11:06.28 | eliteprodigy | Okay. |
| 11:06.37 | jelly-home | eliteprodigy: compare eg. stat(2) and lstat(2) |
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| 11:06.53 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.53 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.58 | nsadmin | (ln could also be the lib call that takes a number and returns an exponent |
| 11:07.15 | nsadmin | ) |
| 11:07.47 | eliteprodigy | What? From the terminal? Why would you do that? |
| 11:08.42 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, (nevermind that part, point was there are too many different things that are called ln) |
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| 11:09.53 | eliteprodigy | What does that have to do with creating a shortcut from point a to point b? That's how I've been thinking of ln. Maybe that's the problem. |
| 11:10.03 | zophy | what is the bestest mostest goodest linux dvd burner program ? |
| 11:10.36 | zophy | i want one that is slicker than snot ! |
| 11:10.52 | nsadmin | what I want (and I suspect others too) for you, is more independence... |
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| 11:11.32 | eliteprodigy | zophy: Are you looking for something with a pretty UI? I mean most of the free/OSS burner software have the same base functionality. |
| 11:11.33 | nsadmin | one way to gain that in this world, is get to the point you can successfully and -usefully- read the ref docs |
| 11:12.22 | nsadmin | zophy, you have to tell us what you mean by best |
| 11:12.27 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: If the docs are supposed to be so integral to understanding *Nix, one would think they'd be a bit easier to understand. |
| 11:12.51 | zophy | eliteprodigy, i don't want to have think very much, i just want to click and point |
| 11:12.51 | eliteprodigy | A leaf from PHP.net perhaps, or even MS dare I say it. |
| 11:13.07 | tzarc | php.net is shithouse |
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| 11:13.19 | eliteprodigy | zophy: Pretty much any burner software will give you that. |
| 11:13.47 | tzarc | documents practically none of the parameters for extraneous functions |
| 11:13.57 | tzarc | you gotta attempt to infer by the name |
| 11:14.05 | eliteprodigy | tzarc: I basically taught myself PHP via PHP.net so it's a touch more usable than poorly formatted terminal man pages. |
| 11:14.22 | eliteprodigy | With not nearly enough information and plenty of clutter and clump. |
| 11:14.46 | tzarc | actually, manpages tend to be far better quality, as long as you understand what you're looking for |
| 11:15.00 | eliteprodigy | Oh, and I was 13 when I started with PHP. |
| 11:15.02 | tzarc | by the sounds of things you don't know what you're looking for in the first place, hence the dilemma |
| 11:15.02 | nsadmin | eliteprodigy, I can't help you learn this if you don't want to make an effort in reading it... I have this response since you say "can't understand the whole thing" |
| 11:15.10 | tzarc | that's great, I was 9 when I started C |
| 11:15.19 | eliteprodigy | Fun. |
| 11:15.22 | tzarc | manpages included |
| 11:16.06 | nsadmin | the thing is once you start to get things from man pages, you'll start to notice similarities to other man pages |
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| 11:16.26 | tzarc | consistency is a wondrous thing! |
| 11:16.27 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: I didn't say I don't understand the whole thing. I can sometimes find what I'm looking for with cmd --help or man cmd or whatever, but more often than not Google solves the problem in a far more understandable manner. |
| 11:16.37 | eliteprodigy | Rather, the resources google links to does. But you get the point. |
| 11:16.48 | nsadmin | yes I do |
| 11:16.56 | eliteprodigy | However, the whole thing is pretty difficult to get on with. |
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| 11:17.14 | nsadmin | if you could show one thing you're having trouble with |
| 11:17.37 | eliteprodigy | Honestly, I rarely have problems I can't solve with a Google search. |
| 11:17.47 | nsadmin | (just because others theoretically might have trouble with the ref docs doesn't mean you have to as well :) |
| 11:17.58 | eliteprodigy | But trying to decipher the man pages for *nix is pretty difficult. |
| 11:18.00 | tzarc | I dunno, `man ln` and `info coreutils ln` seems to be pretty straightforward |
| 11:18.16 | eliteprodigy | I had the same problem with DOS too. So, I guess *Nix shoulen't take it too personally. |
| 11:18.35 | tzarc | perhaps textmode isn't your thing then |
| 11:18.36 | nsadmin | is coreutils info pages non-free gfdl? |
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| 11:19.16 | tzarc | well I don't have non-free in my sources.list, so unlikely |
| 11:19.19 | eliteprodigy | tzarc: I did grow up on Windows as my os and PHP my as my drug of choice. |
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| 11:19.45 | nsadmin | well this is progress... at least now we all seem to be more calm or less triggered |
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| 11:20.48 | nsadmin | how long ago did you become interested in linux? |
| 11:21.33 | eliteprodigy | I used to work for x10Hosting in 2009-ish managing accounts/vps/shared servers was my first major taste. |
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| 11:21.48 | eliteprodigy | I've only just started using it as my desktop in the last month. |
| 11:21.56 | nsadmin | what I really really want for you, btw, is to have a conversation with you as peers wrt discussing this whole thing |
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| 11:22.03 | eliteprodigy | I've never really used it. |
| 11:22.17 | nsadmin | so, brand new |
| 11:22.21 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 11:23.08 | plumps | Hello, i want to setup a audit remote server. is it possible that the audit daemon write the messages from each node in a separate log-file? |
| 11:23.19 | eliteprodigy | The project I'm working on currently needs me to be on *nix to make local and remote testing more "one-click" since the Windows thing was requiring too much trouble shooting after each upload. |
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| 11:23.41 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: Wouldn't be opposed to that. |
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| 11:25.12 | kemuffkamelen | there is something wrong with my new computer. When i try to install wheezy the partitions i allready have does not show up? |
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| 11:25.45 | kemuffkamelen | the installer shows only 500gb empty space =P |
| 11:26.16 | eliteprodigy | chkdisk? Does that work on *nix? |
| 11:26.23 | tzarc | fsck |
| 11:27.13 | tzarc | `fdisk -l` should show you geometry |
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| 11:27.52 | tzarc | ...of course if you're in the installer, it might take a jump back to textmode to get that info, but eh |
| 11:28.17 | kemuffkamelen | i am installing via netboot installer... |
| 11:28.39 | nsadmin | chkdisk is dos/windows... unix uses "file system check" or fsck |
| 11:28.42 | kemuffkamelen | could it be because of that my system has both a bios and an uefi |
| 11:29.32 | kemuffkamelen | if i install windows xp instead of windows 7, the partitions show up fine and i can install debian. |
| 11:29.33 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: I googled. :P |
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| 11:31.27 | eliteprodigy | kemuffkamelen: Can you try using 7 to de-allocate/partition some of the drive space then run the Debian installer and partition off the un-partitioned space that way? |
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| 11:32.01 | eliteprodigy | It doesn't sound ideal and it doesn't address the underlying problem but it might be a solution. |
| 11:32.09 | nsadmin | I gotta crash... but before I go, I'm glad to hear you also want to have conversations... it's wayy funner to help AND be helped. you -could- choose to ask questions like "i hate man pages... but, how do I make sense out of them? let's start an inquiry around understanding the ln man page" |
| 11:34.49 | eliteprodigy | nsadmin: I think man pages and I are on a fairly permanent stand-off. Unless there's a place where I can find them all nice and neat and organized. Figuring out syntax via man pages isn't an issue, but the directions/description offered in the page is often lacking, likely because it was written by a developer intimate with the system eager to get back to writing code. |
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| 11:35.41 | eliteprodigy | It's one of the reasons I always have someone translate the "developer docs" into user docs when I'm working on a project which requires it. |
| 11:36.04 | kemuffkamelen | eliteprodigy: when windows 7 is installed no partitions show up at all in debian installer |
| 11:36.09 | kemuffkamelen | just an empty hdd |
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| 11:36.49 | eliteprodigy | kemuffkamelen: So it shows up as a completely unpartitioned drive? Or is it just hiding the 7 partitions and showing the 500mb of free space? |
| 11:36.55 | eliteprodigy | *500gb |
| 11:37.01 | kemuffkamelen | empty drive |
| 11:37.14 | kemuffkamelen | all free space |
| 11:37.27 | eliteprodigy | Have you tried re-installing 7? |
| 11:37.31 | kemuffkamelen | yup |
| 11:38.20 | eliteprodigy | Have you called MS? Sounds like a problem with either your HDD, or the installer not registering the partitions probably. It could be a bug with the Debian partioner included with the installer as well. |
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| 11:38.26 | kemuffkamelen | and as i said, it works when i have xp x64 installed instead, but xp does not support optimus so that is a no go. |
| 11:38.57 | eliteprodigy | Is your 7 disk legal? |
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| 11:39.36 | eliteprodigy | kemuffkamelen: Try installing Debian first. |
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| 11:41.16 | hdl | hi, folks, I am trying to install drupal via debian-backports and it seems I donot have drush latest version available in that repository, anyone can point me to the correct repo ? |
| 11:41.19 | kemuffkamelen | eliteprodigy: i will do that... it just take so darn long to reinstall win7 |
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| 11:42.07 | eliteprodigy | kemuffkamelen: I feel your pain. |
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| 11:42.36 | ChrisH | Installing windows first was allways the better approach. |
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| 11:43.05 | ChrisH | And Win7 has internal tools to shrink its own partition very quickly. |
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| 11:53.35 | kemuffkamelen | ChrisH: I have empty space allready as well as an empty partition. None of it shows up in the debian installer... that is the problem. |
| 11:53.49 | kemuffkamelen | it only shows up as an empty drive |
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| 11:54.26 | kemuffkamelen | 500gb of nothing even though i am using windows7 right now from that drive to talk to you |
| 11:54.49 | Crypticfortune | How do I force "aptitude update" to fetch a new index when some files show up "Ign?" I think it's wrong about "Ign"... |
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| 11:55.35 | Crypticfortune | (trying to update exim4 in resposne to security bulletin, but one of my hosts keeps coming up with "no new exim4 out there!") |
| 11:56.00 | themill | Crypticfortune: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude update"? |
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| 11:56.54 | themill | (Ign means the resource doesn't exist but that it's not a problem that it is missing) |
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| 11:58.13 | Crypticfortune | themill: http://paste.debian.net/203804/ |
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| 12:00.56 | Benkinooby | hi, after diffing some folders, what command do i sue to sync them? rsync? |
| 12:00.57 | themill | Crypticfortune: what does "dig +short -ttxt security.debian.org; getent hosts security.debian.org" say? |
| 12:01.30 | Sm0ke0ut | I guess @ Benkinooby :) |
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| 12:02.28 | Benkinooby | Sm0ke0ut, i'm a bit overwhelmed my the options - is there some think like "what would you do, if i'd command you to rsync ..." |
| 12:02.35 | Benkinooby | Sm0ke0ut, some as-if option |
| 12:02.37 | ChrisH | kemuffkamelen: can you run fdisk -l or sfdisk/cfdisk from the installers terminal and pastebin it? |
| 12:02.41 | stefan8771 | I have make a debootstrap for debian squeeze for an ARM machine. |
| 12:02.42 | Benkinooby | didn't find it |
| 12:03.01 | ChrisH | kemuffkamelen: Is it a GPT labled disk? |
| 12:03.05 | stefan8771 | I can start it with "init=/bin/bash" in kernel command line |
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| 12:03.16 | stefan8771 | then I can install via apt-get packages over internet |
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| 12:03.52 | stefan8771 | but when I change init=/bin/bash to /sbin/init - i will get no Login Prompt... |
| 12:04.00 | Crypticfortune | themill: http://paste.debian.net/203810/ (funky. I didn't think we supported ipv6... =/ |
| 12:04.01 | stefan8771 | What went's wrong? |
| 12:04.09 | stefan8771 | here is a bootlog: |
| 12:04.09 | stefan8771 | http://paste.debian.net/203808/ |
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| 12:07.34 | ChrisH | stefan8771: standard SysV init startup? |
| 12:07.58 | apm1 | i think if debian switches to xfce on cd #1 in the cd set , then i will have even more respect for the community made decisions ;) |
| 12:08.16 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: I have not changed anything with init |
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| 12:08.38 | apm1 | imho xfce 4 is much closer to gnome 2 that shiped on squeeze cd #1 |
| 12:08.40 | stefan8771 | the same is when I remove init=... complete from command line |
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| 12:09.30 | ChrisH | stefan8771: OK. boot into single user mode. cd /etc/rc2.d ; ls -l S* and see what is next after starting exim. |
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| 12:10.17 | waqs | is the backports site down for anyone else? |
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| 12:11.44 | stefan8771 | waqs: backports-master.debian.org works |
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| 12:13.28 | themill | Crypticfortune: what does "wget -q -O- http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release | grep Date" say for you? |
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| 12:14.22 | waqs | stefan8771: :/ not working still. |
| 12:14.47 | Crypticfortune | themill: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:01:39 UTC |
| 12:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | stefan8771: Wild Guess here, but if you give it long enough you might get a login. exim could be timing out waiting for DNS. |
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| 12:15.55 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: here is output http://paste.debian.net/203814/ |
| 12:16.02 | themill | Crypticfortune: that looks fine then. See if "apt-get update; apt-cache policy exim4" is sorted now |
| 12:16.41 | Crypticfortune | themill: i just tried (as that date used to say 08:04:56 UTC), but still the same old version =( |
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| 12:17.10 | stefan8771 | jhutchins_wk: before complete installation of packages with standard prio (tasksel install standard), init has stopped with "cron" - without login prompt, too |
| 12:17.17 | themill | Crypticfortune: do you have a proxy server there that might be feeding you stale content? |
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| 12:19.07 | Crypticfortune | themill: I used to. I disabled it when I noticed this problem. I did get a new round of Hits on security squeeze/updates{,/main,non-free} when the Date updated to 12:01 though, so it should be current... =/ |
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| 12:19.28 | ChrisH | stefan8771: I would test as follow: echo "echo after exim4" > /etc/rc2.d/S18atest ; chmod +x /etc/rc2.d/S18atest reboot and wait for a longer time... just to see if exim4 script terminates or not. Or disable exim4 startup |
| 12:20.04 | Crypticfortune | ...and yet it's not =( |
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| 12:20.48 | new[] | does anyone know a remote viewing system that can operate in a hidden fashion? |
| 12:21.12 | p0g0 | like a banking trojan? |
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| 12:21.32 | new[] | like a parental control observatory |
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| 12:22.06 | ChrisH | new[]: Is that legal in your country? |
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| 12:22.36 | Sm0ke0ut | sure, if the user is informed :) |
| 12:22.37 | themill | Crypticfortune: hmm.. even the 0800 Release file should be new enough to have that update in it |
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| 12:22.57 | new[] | ChrisH: why wouldn't it be? |
| 12:23.00 | gnarface | new[]: most villains just install a keystroke logger but its also a native feature of os X |
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| 12:23.28 | new[] | i'm pretty sure most public systems like at libraries etc have these installed |
| 12:23.30 | ansgar | new[]: Because spying on people might not be legal? |
| 12:23.31 | p0g0 | new[]: think about it for a moment- it's the same tech used to rob folks. |
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| 12:23.49 | Sm0ke0ut | new[]: because of privacy.. if you do such thing the user must be fully informed and agree with that |
| 12:23.53 | new[] | if you own the system then you can have whatever you want installed on it, regardless of who USES it |
| 12:23.55 | ansgar | new[]: You wouldn't install a hidden camera either and secretly watch other people, would you? |
| 12:24.03 | p0g0 | he might |
| 12:24.10 | ansgar | new[]: Depending on where you live: No. |
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| 12:24.34 | new[] | ansgar: if it's in my own home, sure. Ie, parents installing cameras to observe babysitters |
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| 12:25.04 | p0g0 | new[]: even if you own the gear, there are 'reasonable expectations of privacy' that have legal protections, albeit scant, in some countries. |
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| 12:25.55 | Crypticfortune | themill: very disconerting...it got new Hits when the 12:01 version rolled out but then started skipping them, so it stored new state *somewhere*... =/ |
| 12:26.03 | ChrisH | new[]: "parents installing cameras to observe babysitters" IIRC this needs at least informing the baby sitters here in germany. Otherwise its illieagl. |
| 12:26.32 | gnarface | i think people get sued in most of the united states for that shit regularly, especially if the people being spied on are minors, its quite illegal |
| 12:26.33 | p0g0 | new[]: further, a concealed camera is not a deterrent. |
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| 12:26.43 | themill | Crypticfortune: all these files are in /var/lib/apt/lists -- you can safely remove them all and then re-run apt-get update. |
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| 12:27.44 | gnarface | new[]: nonetheless this is a standard feature of most remote adminsitration tools, such as vnc or pcanywhere, or whatever or can be easily facilitated using them |
| 12:28.04 | new[] | mmk |
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| 12:28.24 | ChrisH | X11vnc |
| 12:28.33 | p0g0 | gnarface: it takes little talent to observe the server process and traffic in those cases. |
| 12:28.48 | p0g0 | but yeah, you can hide them from the innocent. |
| 12:28.53 | gnarface | new[]: if you are talking about linux boxes you could just have a remote system open an ssh connection and dump the X session with ffmpeg and the bash history to a stream or something |
| 12:29.16 | p0g0 | gnarface: or use x11vnc as suggested above. |
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| 12:29.20 | gnarface | p0g0: if you don't move the mouse you can hide from most average computer users |
| 12:29.43 | p0g0 | gnarface: there are view only modes, you don't have to worry about the mouse or kbd |
| 12:29.53 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm getting an email stating exim paniclog on server has non=zero size, mail system might be broken. Here is the content of paniclog, https://gist.github.com/6cd82b1c1b67e560c98e. How can I resolve this? |
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| 12:30.21 | gnarface | new[]: if its important that you *go undetected* however you're probably better off looking into something more discrete that is designed to be hidden like an actual trojan horse or perhaps a perl script |
| 12:30.54 | gnarface | a lot depends on the skill and hostility of the user |
| 12:31.01 | TheWarden | Is this really the solution to a paniclog has non-zero size issue? http://blog.rebelit.net/?p=67 or is there a proper way to handle it? |
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| 12:31.44 | ChrisH | TheWarden: I would stop exim, make sure exim is realy gone. run lsof -i tcp:25 ; clear paniclog ; restart exim and check the paniclog gain |
| 12:31.53 | ansgar | You could ask some schools in the US that installed video monitoring software to spy^Wguard pupils from the clutches of evil. |
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| 12:32.04 | ansgar | But I guess that would be the Windows version ;) |
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| 12:32.08 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: so the last entry is Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 12:32.15 | gnarface | new[]: also in most cases if the user is using a virtual machine the host machine can monitor the virtual machine implicitly, in a completely undetected fashion |
| 12:32.16 | stefan8771 | but still no login prompt |
| 12:32.27 | ChrisH | TheWarden: I just see its from augst... Yes, solution is null paniclog. >paniclog |
| 12:32.30 | Crypticfortune | themill: got it! /etc/apt/source.list error.... s/conrib/contrib/ >_<;; (how that impacts exim I don't know, but fixing that made it work...) |
| 12:32.31 | themill | TheWarden: that's is the solution if you have broken ipv6 support on your network; that's not the general solution |
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| 12:33.09 | themill | Crypticfortune: apt should have generated warnings about that in the output but that wasn't in your pastebin |
| 12:33.41 | ChrisH | stefan8771: So it hangs on differnt stages on each retry or allways the same point? |
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| 12:34.05 | Crypticfortune | themill: I didn't edit it out or anything, no warnings came up =( |
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| 12:34.08 | TheWarden | ChrisH: I ran lsof -i tcp:25 and it never returned anything. |
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| 12:34.57 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: exim is now disabled |
| 12:34.59 | Crypticfortune | themill: anyway, thanks! I found it by noticing that no binary package lists came up in /var/lib/apt/lists from security.debian.org thanks to your tip. |
| 12:35.06 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: and cron is one before |
| 12:35.29 | TheWarden | ChrisH: I removed the paniclog file and restarted exim4 and there is no new paniclog file created. |
| 12:35.37 | TheWarden | themill: okay |
| 12:35.58 | TheWarden | Now I wonder why did I get this log in the first place, what caused it and then what can I do to stop it from happening again. |
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| 12:36.58 | TheWarden | ChrisH: ops sorry lsof does work had to do it with sudo, here is the results https://gist.github.com/6cd82b1c1b67e560c98e. |
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| 12:39.08 | ChrisH | stefan8771: does the S18a script shows the echo? |
| 12:39.11 | themill | Crypticfortune: no worries. Have fun! |
| 12:40.16 | ChrisH | TheWarden: All fine now. |
| 12:40.31 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: no, the echo is not printed |
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| 12:42.39 | TheWarden | ChrisH: yes I understand that now that everything is fine. However what would cause this in the first place so I can avoid it in the future? |
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| 12:43.03 | ChrisH | stefan8771: can you pastbin once more the ls -l from rc2.d? |
| 12:44.52 | ChrisH | TheWarden: I would treat this as normal problems during installation, configuration of a new programm. My exim complains abt. once a week by creating a paniclog. Most times because clamd does not answer quick enough during nighlty backups on an underperformed sytem. |
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| 12:46.12 | TheWarden | ChrisH: Oh okay, well thank you for your help. |
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| 12:50.10 | ChrisH | TheWarden: YW |
| 12:50.11 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/203824/ |
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| 12:52.47 | ChrisH | stefan8771: OK. looks as expected... If this not a crash-and-burn system where reinstalling would be the faster option and you want to understand the root cause.... I would boot onve more into single user mode and then use init to get into runlevel 1... then cd /etc/rc2.d and execute these script by hand one-by-one. check network connectivity and name resolution from time to time; check logs, dmesg and co. |
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| 12:53.14 | farkbarn | Hi |
| 12:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: (Single user mode is runlevel 1) |
| 12:53.33 | farkbarn | some helpme with a config raid? |
| 12:55.09 | farkbarn | need create raid 1 from sda to sdb, but sda have data |
| 12:55.38 | farkbarn | but I have no experience |
| 12:56.21 | wvivanco | farkbarn: Next time use google |
| 12:56.25 | wvivanco | farkbarn: http://lopezivan.blogspot.com.ar/2008/03/raid-1-en-un-sistema-ya-instalado.html |
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| 12:58.34 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: args... thanks for pointing that. but get rc1.d/S* scripts executed or only rcS.d/S* scripts? |
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| 12:59.38 | denes | hi |
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| 13:00.27 | denes | can someone help why afrcican firefox will be downloaded when i type sudo apt-get install firefox? |
| 13:00.52 | denes | and arabic thunderbird |
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| 13:01.19 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: runlevel 1 works: "INIT: Going single user |
| 13:01.20 | stefan8771 | INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal |
| 13:01.20 | stefan8771 | Give root password for maintenance |
| 13:01.20 | stefan8771 | (or type Control-D to continue): |
| 13:01.20 | stefan8771 | " |
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| 13:03.47 | plumps | Hello, i want to setup a audit remote server. is it possible that the audit daemon write the messages from each node in a separate log-file? |
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| 13:04.20 | ChrisH | plumps: if "audit remote server" == syslogserver the answer is yes, use syslog-ng |
| 13:04.24 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: insserv: warning: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc2.d/S18atest |
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| 13:04.39 | mr0wl | Sm0ke0ut: are most Debian packages available for ARM? |
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| 13:05.08 | plumps | ChrisH: if i use syslog or rsyslog i can not analyze these messages with tools like ausearch |
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| 13:05.42 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: after "init 2" this comes: "INIT: Sending processes the KILL signatty_ldisc_hangup: waiting (init) for ttymxc2 took too long, but we keep waiting..." |
| 13:05.42 | ChrisH | stefan8771 insserv <-- you are NOT using systemV startup but http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot ; Sorry no experience with that beyond Solaris SMF. |
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| 13:06.44 | ChrisH | plumps: what is a remote Audit server? |
| 13:06.59 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: hmm... I have installed squeeze - I dont know where this come... |
| 13:07.10 | ChrisH | stefan8771: what is ttymxc2 or what is running on ttymxc2? |
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| 13:07.25 | plumps | ChrisH: a auditd daemon how listen for messages from other host. |
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| 13:07.44 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: ttymxc2 is UART3 - there I watch the outputs and this is my console |
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| 13:08.48 | ChrisH | stefan8771: then it might be needed to relogin |
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| 13:09.36 | plumps | ChrisH: and the clients connect via audisp with the remote plugin. |
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| 13:16.32 | stefan8771 | test dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:16.57 | waqs | what are the 3 packages needed for kernel upgrade again, linux-headers, initramfs, ... |
| 13:17.10 | waqs | was it i=linux-image |
| 13:17.22 | waqs | linux-image* |
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| 13:20.13 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: in init 2 never come a login prompt. |
| 13:20.19 | stefan8771 | i have disabled cron |
| 13:20.25 | stefan8771 | now tha last thin is atd |
| 13:20.33 | stefan8771 | but still no login prompt at init 2 |
| 13:20.36 | stefan8771 | only at init 1 |
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| 13:24.29 | ChrisH | network working at runlevel 1 ? |
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| 13:30.23 | dsdeiz | heya, so i have ttf fonts in my .fonts directory, anyone can recommend a package i can use to preview these fonts? |
| 13:30.36 | dsdeiz | something similar to xfontsel |
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| 13:31.30 | movl | why not xfontsel? |
| 13:31.42 | dsdeiz | i can't seem to find the fonts using xfontsel |
| 13:32.32 | nkuttler | !tell dsdeiz about install font |
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| 13:36.02 | dsdeiz | nkuttler: yeah i've put them on ~/.fonts and already ran fc-cache -fv. im actually using them already but xfontsel isn't finding them |
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| 13:38.07 | nkuttler | dsdeiz: i see. no idea then |
| 13:38.51 | tyn | Does anyone have any experience with debian refusing to write to disk faster than about 1 MB/s? |
| 13:40.10 | gnarface | yea maybe cheap sd cards |
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| 13:40.28 | gnarface | tyn: maybe DMA mode is off? |
| 13:40.53 | tyn | How can I check that? |
| 13:41.53 | gnarface | tyn: hdparm |
| 13:41.54 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: network works at runlevel 1. I can ping google.com |
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| 13:43.29 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: same problem in runlevel 3 |
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| 13:43.47 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: network is setted by command line with ip=... |
| 13:44.15 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: becaus this network works with init=/bin/bash, too |
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| 13:45.55 | tyn | hdparm doesn't tell me if the disk is using dma or not |
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| 13:47.06 | tyn | http://pastebin.com/sNBVnTaF is my output |
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| 13:54.11 | ChrisH | stefan8771: I am at the end of my idea. sorry |
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| 14:01.23 | damaxus | tyn: yes it does. line 17 and 21 |
| 14:01.31 | damaxus | it's in udma5 mode |
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| 14:02.55 | tyn | damaxus: Do you have any idea what could cause such a slow speed? I can read at 270MB/s, but only write at 1MB/s. A while ago it was happy doing 50MB/s. Before I installed the SSD it also had the same write slow problem. |
| 14:03.55 | damaxus | what kind of controller? |
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| 14:04.48 | damaxus | also what kind of filesystem do you have on the drive |
| 14:04.53 | damaxus | how are you testing your speed |
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| 14:07.48 | mooperd | hello |
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| 14:08.10 | mooperd | my nfs just went down. the mounts on the clients has hung |
| 14:08.15 | mooperd | have hung |
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| 14:10.48 | damaxus | sucks, doesnt it? =) |
| 14:11.07 | damaxus | sometimes you can force-unmount |
| 14:11.20 | damaxus | sometimes you have to wait a bit for more timeouts to occur first |
| 14:11.24 | DammitJim | if I am using a static IP address on my machine and have supplied 2 DNS servers |
| 14:11.32 | damaxus | if the server comes back up, things are much easier. |
| 14:11.39 | damaxus | but, yeah. |
| 14:11.41 | DammitJim | does the system even use the 2nd DNS server specified? |
| 14:11.55 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 14:12.01 | damaxus | DammitJim: only if the first fails to respond after a fairly lengthy timeout |
| 14:12.12 | DammitJim | but it will try, right? |
| 14:12.24 | DammitJim | someone at the office was telling me this was only effective if using DHCP |
| 14:12.31 | DammitJim | and the DHCP server gave you 2 DNS server entries |
| 14:12.33 | johnfg | I get this file in my home directory: C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt. No idea where it comes from or what's writing it. |
| 14:12.35 | DammitJim | I was going to try it |
| 14:13.01 | damaxus | on linux, i imagine it would. but under most OSes for whatever reason they seem to be very stubborn about using the second one specified, whether they're hardcoded or provided by DHCP |
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| 14:13.17 | damaxus | not sure why it's such a suck |
| 14:13.41 | DammitJim | you mean under most OSes they don't want to use the 2nd DNS server? |
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| 14:14.39 | DammitJim | brb... going to try it myself |
| 14:14.54 | tyn | damaxus: ext3 on /boot and ext4 on rest, same speed on both. I get the read speed with dd using it directly and with the filesystem, and only dd with the filesystem, also cp. |
| 14:15.08 | tyn | It's a lenovo x230, not sure what controller |
| 14:15.09 | damaxus | DammitJim: seems like it. |
| 14:15.23 | DammitJim | yup, it worked |
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| 14:15.25 | DammitJim | weir |
| 14:15.26 | DammitJim | d |
| 14:15.29 | damaxus | DammitJim: we've performed service on our primary and we'll have people calling 20-30 minutes later saying they're experiencing outage |
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| 14:15.40 | yac | how can i prevent interactivity with dpkg? |
| 14:15.44 | damaxus | and we'll connect to their machine by IP and they do have both config'd |
| 14:15.56 | DammitJim | yeah, I don't get that |
| 14:15.58 | yac | i want it just to leave the conffiles alone and dont ever enter interactve state |
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| 14:16.14 | DammitJim | but it just worked on my machine (I just put a fake primary DNS) and it resolved |
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| 14:16.30 | themill | dpkg: tell yac about confold |
| 14:16.43 | themill | yac: don't be surprised when things no-longer work after upgrades. |
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| 14:17.01 | themill | (where "things" can include sudo...) |
| 14:17.11 | yac | --force-confold doesnt help |
| 14:17.24 | themill | you'd need to pastebin the output then |
| 14:17.37 | yac | what output? |
| 14:17.42 | themill | the entire output and the command that generated it |
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| 14:18.08 | yac | My case is that i install the required configfiles, then install the package and then it hangs on the dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:18.36 | themill | or you could not provide the information that will let us understand what is happening |
| 14:18.43 | yac | http://pastebin.blesmrt.net/2745/ this is my config for apt |
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| 14:19.09 | confusid | ok.. New install of Debian Squeeze on this same lappy. Had another crash/lockup. I'm sure it is me or at least really think I'm causing it. ATM.. In xfce when I run my mouse over the Menu and hover over any of the items. Graphics, network etc.. The Menu locks in place and does not show the sub menus. In the end of my crashes/lockups it will end with Grub not being able to read the drive. Shows the Grub start then po |
| 14:19.43 | damaxus | DammitJim: try it where the first resolver is working but then unreachable. |
| 14:19.55 | DammitJim | I just did |
| 14:20.02 | DammitJim | well, actually... I just put a bad primary |
| 14:20.05 | yac | themill: it's cp my_config.file /etc/defaults/buildbot; aptitude install buildbot |
| 14:20.06 | damaxus | right. |
| 14:20.06 | DammitJim | and it still resolved |
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| 14:20.28 | DammitJim | so that answers my question. I should have just tried it w/o asking |
| 14:20.29 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 14:20.29 | stefan8771 | ChrisH: thanks |
| 14:20.30 | yac | themill: then aptitude executes dpkg --configure -a which requires answer to something |
| 14:20.35 | damaxus | you should test when something has resolved against the first in the list and believes it good, but then it stops working. |
| 14:20.40 | DammitJim | but I wanted to make sure my tests weren't messed up |
| 14:20.50 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 14:20.58 | DammitJim | why is that? |
| 14:21.41 | damaxus | first because the test better represents real-world, second because that's where i've seen failure cases. |
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| 14:23.09 | damaxus | mostly the lesson i've learned wrt DNS is to have not just two DNS servers in place, but to have two machines set up for the priamry IP with failover |
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| 14:28.44 | fishsponge | hello! quick question, please! How can I install 32-bit gcc4.4 onto 64-bit squeeze?? |
| 14:29.30 | zinx | apt-get install gcc-4.4:i386 but i recommend installing the 64-bit version that compiles to 32bit instead |
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| 14:29.50 | fishsponge | if that's better, how can I do that? |
| 14:30.01 | zinx | that would be, apt-get install gcc-4.4-multilib |
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| 14:30.53 | zinx | or i guess it's still called that, i was lazy :P |
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| 14:42.26 | somiaj | I find that for 32bit compiles, I build a 32bit chroot and build them there (so the are i386 packages) then use the multiarch enabled dpkg to install the resulting package |
| 14:42.30 | PigDude | are there users of mutt-patched package here? it is not behaving properly i think |
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| 14:42.40 | awc737 | what is sdhci-pci for? |
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| 14:42.45 | PigDude | commands that are supposed to be present are not |
| 14:42.49 | PigDude | related to the mutt sidebar |
| 14:43.01 | awc737 | I get an error, sdhci-pci invalid iomem, you may experience a bad time |
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| 14:43.11 | somiaj | fishsponge: oh squeeze doesn't have multilib support. What do you need a 32bit gcc for? |
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| 14:43.37 | somiaj | fishsponge: sorry squeeze doesn't have multiarch capabilities. |
| 14:44.28 | awc737 | i tried putting "blacklist firewire-ohci" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 14:44.34 | awc737 | but the startup error still appears |
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| 14:46.21 | awc737 | sdhci-pci 0000:09:00.1: Invalid iomem size. You may experience problems. |
| 14:46.45 | confusid | after fresh install, installed 3.2.0.0.bpo.3-amd64 Kernel, firmware for nic and wifi, uninstalled openoffice and installed libreoffice, skype, firefox, pidgin, gimp, geany and usb-modeswitch. Nothing else changed or done. The system is starting to slow down again. Going to do a few reboots and see if it locks again or does not boot at all. |
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| 14:48.42 | awc737 | anyone know what sdhci-pci is for? |
| 14:48.47 | awc737 | id like to just disable it |
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| 14:49.17 | awc737 | or maybe there is a driver for it |
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| 14:50.18 | confusid | -_- "Failed to start the X server ( your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly." First time ever with this error. |
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| 14:52.12 | somiaj | confusid: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what graphical card it detected and why it failed. |
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| 14:53.06 | awc737 | somiaj, is there anyh log i can check for invalid iomem shdci pci error |
| 14:53.21 | somiaj | awc737: have you tried dmesg? |
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| 14:53.42 | confusid | somiaj: ty |
| 14:54.20 | somiaj | you can also just look at /var/log, there is a syslog, a kernel.log along with a few others that may conain info |
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| 14:54.56 | confusid | somiaj: would using apt-get upgrade break anything with me using the 3.2.0 kernel? |
| 14:55.13 | confusid | have Squeeze in my source.list |
| 14:55.48 | somiaj | as long as you only have squeeze-backports as your only nonsqueeze sources you will be fine |
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| 14:56.01 | michele_ | hello, someone could point me to a working guide to setup an ldap+samba active directory? I haven't found a working guide... |
| 14:56.06 | somiaj | that source is pinned at 1, so it will never install anything from it unless you explicity ask (this includes upgrades) confusid |
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| 14:57.11 | confusid | kernel and libreoffice are the only things I told to use squeeze-backports. |
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| 14:58.05 | confusid | correct driver was loaded. intel (Sandybridge) |
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| 14:59.12 | confusid | Failed to compile keymap is the error.. Googling and ty for the direciton |
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| 15:00.04 | NoobCoder | anyone use the Nvidia geforce Geforce GT 620? |
| 15:00.15 | NoobCoder | if so does it support 3 monitors or more? |
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| 15:01.21 | confusid | Can I just rm the old kernel files and then Grub wouldn't show it anymore? |
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| 15:01.45 | lasers | NoobCoder: I don't think so. Try 660~ or above. (Kepler cards) |
| 15:01.58 | NoobCoder | is the 660 good? |
| 15:01.59 | Sm0ke0ut | probably but I'd suggest to just remove them with apt-get or something |
| 15:02.11 | Sm0ke0ut | ^ confusid |
| 15:02.14 | NoobCoder | what about AMD radeon, are they a good card? |
| 15:02.26 | NoobCoder | the HD 7350 |
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| 15:03.01 | lasers | NoobCoder: From what I'm told, it's slightly old. Just okay. However, you want a card that supports 3-4 monitors. Kepler cards. |
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| 15:03.37 | lasers | I don't know about AMD radeon. I never tried them on linux. I rarely replace cards. |
| 15:03.53 | confusid | The errors are starting again before total melt down. just tried to login from command since X did not start. " ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 " Next reboot I do the Grub will not be able to read the drive and boot. |
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| 15:04.53 | lasers | NoobCoder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series |
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| 15:05.51 | NoobCoder | 4 independent 2D displays :) |
| 15:05.55 | NoobCoder | thats alright |
| 15:06.01 | NoobCoder | isnt it? |
| 15:06.02 | NoobCoder | lol |
| 15:06.03 | lasers | NoobCoder: Looks like GT 620 can do it... With 3 different plugins? :o |
| 15:06.20 | NoobCoder | lol yeah |
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| 15:07.00 | NoobCoder | thanks lasers |
| 15:07.43 | lasers | NoobCoder: Good luck. You can double check at #nvidia or #nouveau or AMD channels (I don't know them). Better safe than sorry. |
| 15:07.52 | NoobCoder | im on both now |
| 15:08.21 | NoobCoder | you guys have been more helpful than they have |
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| 15:08.58 | lasers | NoobCoder: Cool. 660 looks nice but hella expensive. I think I settled for 2 monitors instead. >_> |
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| 15:11.15 | NoobCoder | yeah 3 is my goal |
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| 15:11.34 | NoobCoder | love multiple screens |
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| 15:12.29 | NoobCoder | the 620 sounds pretty alright |
| 15:12.29 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/203850/ |
| 15:12.55 | confusid | in /usr/share/X11/xkb used ls nothing else and that error came up. |
| 15:13.08 | confusid | That is what leads to my melt down and have to do a reinstall |
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| 15:13.17 | NoobCoder | what about the GTX690 :) |
| 15:13.29 | NoobCoder | im dreaming now |
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| 15:15.50 | lasers | NoobCoder: Buy two. Since I helped you out and all. :P |
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| 15:17.53 | lasers | NoobCoder: 690? "If I told you this card was lightning fast, it would be a MASSIVE understatement!" Heh. |
| 15:18.00 | confusid | could someone point me to how to possably disabling the irq-balancing in the kernel? |
| 15:18.55 | roylaprattep | Someone know a little about phpmyadmin ? |
| 15:18.55 | NoobCoder | lol, yeah, im sure i'd want that for $1400 |
| 15:18.56 | NoobCoder | lol |
| 15:19.43 | NoobCoder | the 620 will do the job though, nvidia are good |
| 15:20.06 | NoobCoder | i wanna try AMD, as i've heard they may actually be better? |
| 15:20.14 | NoobCoder | its a bit of a pickle |
| 15:20.55 | lasers | confusid: Run SMART to determine that your hard drive isn't failing. That's the first thing I'd check. |
| 15:21.25 | lasers | And make a backup. Retain your data. |
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| 15:22.58 | confusid | lasers: can that be run from the maintenace shell? |
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| 15:23.53 | roylaprattep | umm. |
| 15:24.28 | confusid | it crashed and tried to boot and it gave me /dev/sda5 unexpected inconsistency run fsck manually. |
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| 15:27.24 | lasers | confusid: Bad disk? |
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| 15:28.46 | confusid | trying to get the fsck to see if it can fix things |
| 15:28.54 | confusid | havent booted fully yet |
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| 15:33.26 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: There's a pretty good chance this is a bad disk. |
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| 15:34.38 | confusid | just sucks!!! |
| 15:34.49 | confusid | booted to command line and installing smart |
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| 15:37.33 | confusid | I wonder if the drive is ok but the lappy cant use it. Lappy had a 640G drive thts 5200 rpm, I put a 750G thats 7200 rpm. |
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| 15:41.42 | awc737 | how can I disable sdhci |
| 15:41.45 | awc737 | sdhci-pci |
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| 15:44.03 | luchenbill | I installed python, and apperently sqlite came with it, I created a table, stored info in it via pyton, how can I query that table? |
| 15:44.05 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/203858/ Out Put of Smart, said it had an error so does that mean the disk is toast? |
| 15:44.13 | luchenbill | I try the command sqlite3 and it's not wokring, I tried sqlite too |
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| 15:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Probably not yet, but it's at the "make sure you have backups" and "order new hardware today" stage. |
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| 15:47.27 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: Hope this isn't a stupid question... Could I run something that would mark the spot bad and use it or is this hardware and not a bad spot on the disk? |
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| 15:48.08 | lord_rob | hi ! I cannot find how to install virtualbox guest additions anymore with debian virtualbox edition. Is it because this feature has been disabled ? |
| 15:48.22 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: If you're seeing it through the controller then it's a failing component. I don't know what tends to fail these days, but it's probably getting worse. |
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| 15:48.29 | babilen | luchenbill: Try #python or #sqlite (or am I misunderstanding your question and this is actually a Debian issue) |
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| 15:49.35 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: problem is I do not know how to check drives other then use what is recommended. I am under the impression this maybe the controler board since it is a read issue but again not sure. |
| 15:49.41 | confusid | Also ty for the help!! |
| 15:49.53 | babilen | confusid: You can run badblocks, but once a disk has problems like this it wouldn't be the worsest of ideas to look into replacing it |
| 15:50.06 | luchenbill | babilen apperently python comes with a sqlite3 'module' however I guess you have to intall sqlite3 via apt-get install to actually query tables etc |
| 15:50.09 | luchenbill | thx though |
| 15:51.37 | babilen | luchenbill: The sqlite module is in the Python standard lib (http://docs.python.org/library/sqlite3.html) but you would still need to install the actual sqlite database. |
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| 15:52.00 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: If you have a small number of errors and it stays stable, you can get away with just watching it, but chances are the errors are increasing. |
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| 15:52.51 | luchenbill | got it :) |
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| 15:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: With modern drives the hardware on the drive itself manages most physical errors on the disk, and if errors start "bleeding through" to the point that you see them it's a sign that the hardware really is failing. |
| 15:53.03 | confusid | Everything was ok when I used it 4 days ago then I went to boot it and the errors went crazy and grub failed. Reinstalled the system. Then same thing happend. Today makes 5th time this has happend. |
| 15:53.15 | confusid | ah ok |
| 15:53.29 | confusid | <-- wonders if the drive is under rma detail :) |
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| 15:53.43 | jhutchins_wk | Back when the disk was just like a tape drive, and the controller did all the work, you could do things like low-level-format a disk and recover from imprefect areas on the surface. That's all handled behind the scenes now. |
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| 15:54.17 | lasers | confusid: Was that short or long smartctl? |
| 15:54.25 | confusid | and here I was hopeing to get my mc760 working |
| 15:54.27 | lasers | I'm attempting to run a short/long smartctl soon. |
| 15:54.46 | confusid | lasers: I think short. I ran smartctl -a /dev/sdb |
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| 15:55.03 | confusid | since I couldn't do much after the boot. |
| 15:55.18 | confusid | I also had to /etc/init.d/smarttools start |
| 15:55.46 | confusid | worst part.. have to pull the whole lappy apart to get to the drive. |
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| 15:56.49 | johndoe | anyone using f.lux? http://stereopsis.com/flux/ |
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| 15:59.42 | babilen | johndoe: It is closed-source and not in Debian -- I am sure that some people use it though. Debian packages an alternative called redshift which does the same thing. |
| 15:59.47 | lasers | johndoe: Ask a real question? There also are redshift. (I used them for some time, but eventually I stopped) |
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| 16:00.34 | confusid | does it matter which I use to get the latest stable kernel from backports? First one seems to give me 2.3.0-0.bpo.3 aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 or aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 16:02.56 | johndoe | thanks |
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| 16:03.08 | lasers | confusid: What did "sudo smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb" report? |
| 16:03.10 | johndoe | lasers: why did you stop using redshift? |
| 16:03.16 | lasers | (or was that /dev/sda) |
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| 16:03.35 | babilen | confusid: It makes quite a difference. If you install linux-image-amd64-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 you will stay with that kernel forever (unless *you* change that). If you install linux-image-amd64, however, it will always pull in the most recent kernel for your release. The distinction is important when you upgrade between releases or run testing/unstable . |
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| 16:04.31 | lasers | johndoe: Dunno. Something to play with. When I used it, I didn't use its default settings, I toned it down a bit. |
| 16:04.37 | babilen | confusid: I would recommend to install the metapackage (i.e. linux-image-amd64) personally, but it really depends on your wishes. |
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| 16:09.28 | ctrl-D | uuhm...make : Error 2 |
| 16:09.29 | ctrl-D | wtf?! |
| 16:09.52 | somiaj | I thought ocasionally stable kernels go from say 2.6.32-1 to 2.6.32-2 versions which makes that meta package important on stable too if you want the most secure kernel. |
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| 16:10.37 | somiaj | or i sonce debian is stablized, do they not change that appended debian version on kernels |
| 16:10.49 | somiaj | ctrl-D: is Error 2 all it says? or if you look up above that do you see the actual error |
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| 16:11.04 | somiaj | usually you see the actual error above, if not its a terrible make script |
| 16:11.14 | themill | (probably a previous "No such file or directory" error) |
| 16:11.32 | ctrl-D | ye |
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| 16:11.37 | ctrl-D | no such file or directory |
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| 16:11.50 | ctrl-D | i'm trying to "make" bbswitch |
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| 16:13.18 | ctrl-D | but this file exist |
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| 16:16.57 | ctrl-D | it can be a problem related to the kernel version? (3.2.0) |
| 16:18.29 | themill | you're the one with the output to look at, not us |
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| 16:19.18 | confusid | babilen: so backports has stable and unstable kernels in it? |
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| 16:19.35 | confusid | lasers: not sure. have the lappy 1/2 way apart atm. |
| 16:19.56 | babilen | ctrl-D: You are probably aware that it is impossible to help you with the information you provide. From the little that you did mention I conclude that it is *not* a Debian issue and that you should ask in #bumblebee -- It *might* be that you need to install additional packages (to satisfy build dependencies) such as build-essential. I would also suggest to paste the output to http://paste.debian.net so we can take a look. |
| 16:20.02 | babilen | !tell confusid -about backports |
| 16:20.11 | confusid | ty |
| 16:20.13 | babilen | confusid: The packages have been backported from testing |
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| 16:21.05 | ctrl-D | okey...my fault! ;D |
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| 16:24.25 | confusid | babilen: would it be smart to use the lower number of the 3.2 kernel from back ports instead of the newest one from there? Or it's apples and organges on the thought? |
| 16:24.58 | babilen | confusid: As I said: I would just install linux-image-amd64 from backports and let it pull in whatever it pulls in. |
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| 16:25.07 | confusid | ty |
| 16:25.15 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 16:25.16 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64. |
| 16:25.38 | intore | ChrisH, hi, i enabled ip forward in sysctl on the virtual server and now the clients can ping the last bridge but they still can't ping the router. Could be an iptables problems? |
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| 16:26.08 | XwZ | hi |
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| 16:27.18 | cusco | hi |
| 16:27.28 | XwZ | i'm trying to use the package Mail::Sender from perl so i install libemail-sender-perl and with cpan via install Mail::Sender, but it can't find the package ! |
| 16:27.40 | cusco | can I make text in less (while I have it open) output to some file? |
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| 16:27.50 | XwZ | i'm using /usr/bin/perl |
| 16:27.59 | XwZ | do you have an idea ? |
| 16:29.17 | confusid | cusco: try using something like less text.txt >> file.txt |
| 16:30.39 | cusco | confusid: can't output is already in less. Can't close less or I will lose it all |
| 16:31.29 | cusco | confusid: found it |
| 16:31.30 | cusco | its s |
| 16:31.40 | confusid | cool |
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| 16:54.18 | cheche | fond the issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594785 |
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| 17:09.40 | mourad | http://free-unlimited-international-calls.tk/ |
| 17:09.40 | mourad | that you must download and install |
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| 17:35.07 | ponyofdeath | is there an way i can send the reboot sysctl command from ssh connection? shutdown -r now is not working? |
| 17:35.30 | damaxus | yeah, there's a proc interface to it |
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| 17:36.59 | ratcheer | ponyofdeath: If you're connected as root, can't you just "init 6"? |
| 17:37.27 | ponyofdeath | does nothing |
| 17:38.05 | ratcheer | ponyofdeath: Hmmm. I am sure I have rebooted via ssh, before. |
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| 17:42.02 | awc737 | I am on deb 7 gnome classic, I can't figure out workspace shorcut keys |
| 17:42.06 | awc737 | to zoom out and view all workspaces |
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| 17:44.19 | jelly-home | ponyofdeath: which kernel is running and is there a /proc/sysrq-trigger file? |
| 17:45.19 | ratcheer | is about to go try it just to see if it still works... |
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| 17:47.37 | awc737 | i guess with gnome 3 classic I don't get the zoom out workspace view? |
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| 17:48.19 | ponyofdeath | jelly-home: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger is what i tried |
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| 17:51.35 | HighBomber_ | hello, would anyone know how i may install libc6 >= 2.14 |
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| 17:51.48 | HighBomber_ | debian sid has 2.13, which is still too old |
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| 17:54.33 | jelly-home | ponyofdeath: and...? |
| 17:54.49 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: the short answer is: you don't |
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| 17:56.00 | damaxus | you can have multiple versions of libc installed on a box |
| 17:56.06 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: do you know where i may find libc6 source? |
| 17:56.06 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: if you have binary-only software built against newer libc6, set up a chroot or a VM with the OS it's built for, and run it there. If it's open source, rebuild it from source on your debian release |
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| 17:56.20 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: don't mess with libc6. |
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| 17:56.28 | damaxus | like in /opt/glibc-2.14 or whatever |
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| 17:56.54 | damaxus | then wehn you're building whatever program/system, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/glibc-2.14:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:57.12 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: what are you really trying to achieve? |
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| 17:57.50 | cypherpunk1A4 | how can i remove this 5.5.28-mariadb1~squeeze |
| 17:57.52 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i am trying to build a package from source, its dependencies also require libc6 |
| 17:58.02 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: which package? |
| 17:58.18 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: its a game engine, openmw |
| 17:58.40 | HighBomber_ | they build in ubuntu, which has libc6 2.15 |
| 17:58.51 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: pastebin the whole output of a failed attempt, together with the command used, please |
| 17:59.03 | cypherpunk1A4 | how can i remove it |
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| 17:59.47 | cypherpunk1A4 | my server is down |
| 18:00.15 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh i dont have an issue building openmw, but its dependencies require libc6 if i install the .deb, which means i will have to build them from source as well |
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| 18:00.46 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i thought it would be easier to just build libc6 from source or find a newer .deb, but i guess not |
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| 18:01.14 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
| 18:01.20 | ompaul | HighBomber_: what package are you trying to build? |
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| 18:01.44 | ompaul | ,openmw |
| 18:01.50 | ompaul | ,vesions openmw |
| 18:01.53 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: it's definitely not -- libc6 is an essential OS component |
| 18:02.33 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh, they aren't in the debian repository. libbullet and libmygui |
| 18:02.52 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: rebuild those from deb-src as well |
| 18:03.21 | jelly-home | repeat until all the build dependencies are installable or installed |
| 18:03.47 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: ill do that next, i just wasnt sure if it would be faster to upgrade libc6 but i see now thats out of the question |
| 18:06.12 | jelly-home | nah, that's almost never a good idea |
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| 18:21.20 | xai_ | I have gpt partitioned drives, ussing debian amd64 6.0.6 installer. It doesn't recognize the drives correctly. |
| 18:21.33 | xai_ | Do I need to be in expert mode? |
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| 18:22.53 | ratcheer | xai_: I don't know, but I had no trouble installing to gpt drive. |
| 18:23.54 | xai_ | ratcheer, I choose Raid and it doesn't seem to recognize what is a raid partition.. |
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| 18:24.28 | ratcheer | zai_Ah, you didn't say anything about RAID. |
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| 18:24.43 | xai_ | ratcheer, I'm using CD1 installer disk (usb) |
| 18:25.14 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: if i install from source, will it show up in dpkg or synaptic? |
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| 18:25.31 | ratcheer | xai_: You are now beyond things I know about... |
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| 18:26.49 | pigeons | ok i installed a deb with --force-depends, but how do i get aptitude to stop wanting to fix that dependency that i want to ignore |
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| 18:29.10 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: the idea is to create binary packages and install them |
| 18:29.31 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: in that case yes they appear in dpkg database |
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| 18:31.09 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i just did make and make install, ive never created a binary package before |
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| 18:41.45 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i installed checkinstall to create a package |
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| 18:50.29 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i realized i created bullet.deb, but how to i create libbullet.deb? |
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| 18:51.34 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: or rather, how do i build a library from source? |
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| 18:54.20 | bravvve | hello,i have pc running under windows 7 and i have created a wpa2-psk network,and i wan to chare connection with this pc under debian squeeze,but a cant there is may /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/LfY3pc9F |
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| 18:55.48 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: if you have deb-src sources, /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 19:00.40 | i0x71 | hey, is it possible to setup debian full disk encryption by using dm-crypt without luks addon ? |
| 19:01.28 | adimit | When I use apt-get upgrade, I sometimes get little informative messages about important changes in some packages. Do these get logged somewhere? I remember there was one that affected me, but I can't remember exactly what it said anymore… |
| 19:01.44 | remote | i0x71: is disk encryption supported by the latest installer not full-disk? |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | adimit: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/changelog or NEWS |
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| 19:02.44 | adimit | abrotman: what if I don't remember the excat package name? |
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| 19:03.10 | i0x71 | remote: its full disk, but it uses the luks addon to encrypt the drive. since luks addon creates a header at the beginning of the disk, i would like use dm-crypt without the luks addon |
| 19:03.14 | abrotman | adimit: you can read the all with a little script magic |
| 19:03.24 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: im sorry i am a but confused. I downloaded the source from the bullet website, and i need to build the libbullet.deb and bullet-dev.deb |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | adimit: you can also look in /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was upgraded recently |
| 19:03.35 | adimit | abrotman: … and sort them by date, I guess. yeah. |
| 19:03.42 | adimit | abrotman: it wasn't *so* recently, unfortunately. |
| 19:03.49 | adimit | maybe some grepping will do the trick. |
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| 19:05.08 | abrotman | adimit: do you remember what the message was about? |
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| 19:05.26 | adimit | abrotman: yeah, it was about 32bit compatibility packages for the nvidia binary drivers. |
| 19:06.17 | adimit | there was some different way to install them now (not the ia32 stuff, but using some command involving :i386 suffixes on the package names or somesuch. Trouble is, there's like 5 or so different packages this could be affecting… |
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| 19:07.16 | bravvve | any one |
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| 19:08.42 | abrotman | adimit: dpkg --add-architecture ? |
| 19:09.12 | adimit | abrotman: I did that already, now I need to install the proper i386 package for all the libs without uninstalling my current amd64 ones. |
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| 19:09.42 | adimit | I didn't use these drivers at the time, so I just made a mental note. silly me. |
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| 19:13.22 | abrotman | adimit: aptitude install foo:i386? |
| 19:13.59 | adimit | abrotman: when I tried that, it borked my amd64 drivers. (though I tried apt-get, but it's the same, I guess.) |
| 19:14.05 | adimit | I could try it again. |
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| 19:14.26 | adimit | but I remember there might have been some --foreign-architecture switch involved. dunno, maybe I'm imagining things. |
| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: do they have a source and binary package repository to download stuff from? |
| 19:15.03 | abrotman | adimit: your call, i don't use amd or nvidia, so i have no idea if what you're attempting is normal |
| 19:15.28 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: iotw, where do the binary packages for the ubuntu builds come from? |
| 19:15.45 | adimit | abrotman: it used to be normal ;-) You have to have the 32bit glx libs lying around, because 32bit binaries are linked against them. I'll experiment some more. |
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| 19:16.25 | jelly-home | adimit: are you talking about ati or nvidia? |
| 19:16.57 | adimit | jelly-home: nvidia |
| 19:17.34 | HighBomber_ | im not downloading any binary packages, im building everything from source from the respective sites |
| 19:18.40 | jelly-home | adimit: libgl1-nvidia-glx 304.60-1 currently in unstable should be i386 and amd64 co-installable |
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| 19:19.09 | jelly-home | at least that's what the changelog says |
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| 19:20.11 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: the packaging system-friendly approach would be to find out where the packages for ubuntu come from, and then build them the same way |
| 19:21.12 | adimit | jelly-home: ah, I found the NEWS file I was looking for. It was under libcuda1-ia32's documentation. I didn't look there :-| |
| 19:21.31 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: im building the packages using .deb install, do you know of a guide i could use on how to build them manually? |
| 19:22.20 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: sorry, im using checkinstall to build the .deb packages |
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| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: when you have source packages available, use /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 19:23.06 | jelly-home | so, find out where the source packages, used to make those ubuntu binaries you tried first, come from |
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| 19:23.27 | jelly-home | they might come from ubuntu; they might come from original authors |
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| 19:24.13 | jelly-home | if there's a debian/ subdirectory in the unpacked source, you can probably try to build packages using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:24.40 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh okay i still have those downloaded, ill keep investigating |
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| 19:38.35 | sunevil | hi all |
| 19:39.01 | sunevil | anybodyelse has a source.list to sun-java7? |
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| 19:39.41 | sunevil | *somebody |
| 19:39.49 | baronobeefdip | hello i need some help making my ruby scripts code non-viewable by users but able to be executed by all users |
| 19:40.00 | sunevil | for debian testing |
| 19:40.03 | aleksanderw | Hello, i have a question. Is debian 3.0 woody is working with data hard disc |
| 19:40.04 | aleksanderw | ? |
| 19:40.21 | aleksanderw | sata hard disc. |
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| 19:40.59 | baronobeefdip | how do you hide ruby code |
| 19:41.07 | baronobeefdip | but make it able to be executed by any user |
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| 19:42.50 | aleksanderw | anyone? |
| 19:42.55 | abrotman | sunevil: can't redistribute Oracle Java anymore .. look at java-package |
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| 19:43.07 | abrotman | aleksanderw: why would you wan tto use woody? |
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| 19:43.42 | aleksanderw | for test in my Job,i need to install woody on hard disc. but is sata... |
| 19:43.52 | abrotman | aleksanderw: try a VM instead |
| 19:44.05 | sunevil | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:44.15 | sunevil | im looking for that 4 hours |
| 19:44.17 | sunevil | :( |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | sunevil: see the wiki.debian.org/Java or osmething like that |
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| 19:44.32 | aleksanderw | abortman,, its a question. is it possible to install debian on sata hard disc/ |
| 19:44.43 | aleksanderw | debian 3.0 |
| 19:44.44 | abrotman | Debian, yes |
| 19:44.50 | abrotman | Debian 3.0, not likely |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | use a VM |
| 19:45.19 | aleksanderw | but it's imposiible or is any way to do that. |
| 19:46.03 | sunevil | abrotman, java-package is the jdk?? |
| 19:46.12 | abrotman | aleksanderw: have you tried? |
| 19:46.23 | abrotman | sunevil: no .. it has a package description and documentation |
| 19:46.31 | abrotman | sunevil: otherwise, use openjdk |
| 19:46.39 | sunevil | ough |
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| 19:46.45 | sunevil | i need sun-java |
| 19:46.47 | sunevil | ains |
| 19:46.48 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: ive used /msg dpkg package rebuild, and i found the binaries, ex http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-12.10/ubuntu-universe-i386/libbullet2.80_2.80+sp1+dfsg-0ubuntu1_i386.deb.html |
| 19:46.54 | sunevil | thanks! |
| 19:47.03 | aleksanderw | No abortman, I am downloading it.. right now... aprox 30 minutes... but im thininking is it posibble? |
| 19:47.11 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: im still not sure what to do |
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| 19:47.17 | abrotman | aleksanderw: i've answered you multiple times |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | sunevil: moment |
| 19:47.44 | aleksanderw | abortman: It;'s not posiible. |
| 19:47.56 | frankko | my qt apps are ignoring my gtkrc-2.0 file and reverts to clearlooks. Is this due to multiarch? |
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| 19:48.02 | frankko | and can i fix it somehow? |
| 19:48.24 | abrotman | sunevil: i was wrong, it's sun-java6-jre |
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| 19:50.09 | adimit | oh dear. This multiarch stuff just isn't working correctly… |
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| 19:52.10 | sunevil | abrotman, where do you see that? |
| 19:52.19 | ponyofdeath | jelly-home: it did the trick sorry.. |
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| 19:54.20 | abrotman | sunevil: that is java6, not java7 though |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | sunevil: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-jre .. it's not in wheezy currently, but you could likely use the sid package |
| 19:55.19 | abrotman | sunevil: the java-package method is probably better, it would get you a newer version of that non-free java |
| 19:55.54 | sephii | hey there, I'd like to be able to play music on my computer and get it on another computer. Given that pulseaudio uses a client-server model, would it be possible to have the server installed on a the other computer, and my client sending the audio to this server? |
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| 19:56.01 | sunevil | im reading http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
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| 19:57.35 | sephii | (basically the scenario is that I want to play my music on speakers that are not connected to my computer but to another one, accessible through the network) |
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| 19:57.39 | sunevil | i think i will download the jdk7 tar.gz from oracle web |
| 19:58.05 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: right, now find the source packages (*.dsc, *.debian.tar.gz or *.diff.gz, and *.orig.tar.gz) those binary package were built from, then you might be able to build libbullet2.80 etc. from those source packages |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | sunevil: javapackage is the best way! |
| 19:58.13 | jelly-home | ponyofdeath: good to know |
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| 19:59.35 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh i have downloaded the source packages, and compiled, and installed |
| 20:00.15 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: and built the .deb packages, but i also need the libbullet.deb and bullet-dev.deb |
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| 20:01.05 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: you sounded like you installed from source tarballs and created packages with checkinstall, that's different from "building from source packages" |
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| 20:03.20 | abrotman | oh dear lord .. the guy that was asking about woody works at a data center, i hope they're not using woody on systems anymore |
| 20:03.45 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh i am sorry, i did not know the distinction, i will look into it |
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| 20:05.26 | frankko | i mean, it worked before i installed multiarch, should i remove it? |
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| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: a little investigation suggests the libbullet library source packages might be available from "deb-src http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/ precise-getdeb games" |
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| 20:08.30 | confusid | Put the old drive in and ran smart... No Errors and it is playing nice.. Also did the RMA on the other drive.. TY for the help!!!! |
| 20:09.03 | confusid | next batter of questions :) How do I go about using a usb BroadBand device? I read I need to install usb-modeswitch |
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| 20:09.42 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: you will also need squeeze-backports enabled to be able to build libbullet |
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| 20:10.38 | seeqwell | what is the current stable version of debian please? |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | seeqwell: squeeze, 6.0.5 |
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| 20:12.21 | abrotman | erm, 6.0.6 |
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| 20:12.30 | lilibox | hi |
| 20:12.38 | witek | hi |
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| 20:13.06 | witek | can i ask for some help? |
| 20:13.10 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 20:13.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:13.51 | witek | i'm trying to setu an dual boot win7 and debian on uefi machine... |
| 20:14.28 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: ive added the site to my sources.list but it wont update. how do i download the source package? |
| 20:14.34 | bravvve | any one |
| 20:15.08 | witek | and i'm confused about how to proceed... |
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| 20:16.15 | witek | is there any reliable guide or howto? |
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| 20:17.11 | lilibox | i would establish small irc communication for 5 people. We will not be all connected in the same time and I wanna have something like back log roll, i choosed for znc bouncer, is good solution to run own ircd daemon binded just for localhost and run it with no opened public port like 6667 when znc bouncer is running on the same machine? |
| 20:17.40 | seeqwell | Mint is a Debian distro and not an ubuntu distro? |
| 20:17.54 | seeqwell | and do I want lilo or grub for my bootloader |
| 20:18.03 | bmoloney | I created an RAID1 device while installing Debian a while back, and it has been a constant source of problems. The issues seem to be related to the fact that the installer partioned the devices and then created the RAID1 from the partitions instead of the whole disks. At least part of the problem seems to be that the partitions go to the very end of the disk, making ambiguous if the super block belongs to the device or the partiti |
| 20:18.03 | lilibox | and people will connect directly to znc soo i safe one public port and potential attack risk? |
| 20:18.58 | sunevil | abrotman, with java-package you can make a deb of the jdj7.tar.gz |
| 20:19.01 | sunevil | :)) |
| 20:19.09 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: won't update? |
| 20:19.40 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache showsrc libbullet" afterwards |
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| 20:20.24 | abrotman | sunevil: yes, that's why i suggested you use it |
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| 20:20.43 | abrotman | seeqwell: what does Mint have to do with anything? |
| 20:20.45 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: it says "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A8A515F046D7E7CF" |
| 20:21.03 | seeqwell | hey abrotman ltns! |
| 20:21.09 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:21.12 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: and that's a W:arning, not an E:rror |
| 20:21.14 | seeqwell | been years abrotman |
| 20:21.22 | bravvve | can i connecte to an ad-hoc network with wpa2 using this configuration http://pastebin.com/yykgsUmc |
| 20:21.26 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: Warnings are not fatal. |
| 20:21.26 | abrotman | i just answered your other question five minutes ago? :) |
| 20:21.27 | seeqwell | it was just a question of who does mint belong to |
| 20:21.39 | abrotman | seeqwell: you'd ask them, i think they have a version that does each |
| 20:21.47 | jelly-home | seeqwell: it belongs to the Mint people |
| 20:22.41 | seeqwell | ok |
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| 20:24.30 | bravvve | any one |
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| 20:25.42 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: my apologies, i looked through the packages in synaptic and can't find libbullet |
| 20:26.04 | jelly-home | of course not, you haven't built it yet! |
| 20:26.07 | nsadmin | covers the mint people in chocolate and puts em in the fridge! |
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| 20:26.23 | jelly-home | opens the fridge after 8 |
| 20:26.28 | Armand | nicks nsadmin's chocolate |
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| 20:26.58 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: ahh how do i download source packages from a repository then? |
| 20:27.11 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache showsrc libbullet" afterwards |
| 20:27.18 | nsadmin | bravvve, what happens when you try? |
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| 20:28.27 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: does apt-cache showsrc libbullet show anything? |
| 20:29.09 | frankko | meh ill just reinstall |
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| 20:30.23 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: also, purge or remove your checkinstall-created bullet packages |
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| 20:31.46 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/index/i6hxX5rn |
| 20:31.57 | nsadmin | bravvve, wakey wakey... someone's askin you somthin |
| 20:33.17 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i will remove those packages now |
| 20:34.14 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: ok, do that. You now have a source package version for libbullet available, and should be able to do the "/msg dpkg package rebuild" with libbullet-dev as package name |
| 20:35.05 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: just ignore the first step, you've added the relevant deb-src already |
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| 20:35.55 | bravvve | <nsadmin> nothing |
| 20:36.04 | bravvve | nsadmin:nothing |
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| 20:36.38 | nsadmin | can you see the network in the list? |
| 20:36.41 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: if it fails with unresolved build dependencies, remember you also need to enable squeeze-backports. /msg dpkg squeeze-backports |
| 20:37.59 | bravvve | yes i can |
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| 20:39.40 | bravvve | nsadmin:astebin.com/aL9PcH2i |
| 20:39.50 | bravvve | nsadmin:pstebin.com/aL9PcH2i |
| 20:40.02 | nsadmin | can you see the network in the list? |
| 20:40.13 | nsadmin | err nm, got it |
| 20:40.50 | bravvve | there is no error,but my configuration is wrong |
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| 20:41.43 | bravvve | nsadmin:http://pastebin.com/aL9PcH2i |
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| 20:41.54 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: its going well, i built dependencies for both libbullet and mygui, there were no libmygui but ill continue for now with both |
| 20:42.16 | nsadmin | so yes you do see it |
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| 20:42.42 | nsadmin | is the thing you're trying to connect to in the same room as you? |
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| 20:43.37 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: figure out where mygui packages come from, find its deb-src as well |
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| 20:44.04 | redeemer | Hi, I'm trying to update my system after the exim4 security update |
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| 20:44.10 | redeemer | but I'm getting this message: |
| 20:44.11 | redeemer | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 20:44.11 | redeemer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.17 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: what is the best method for finding packages? google? |
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| 20:44.20 | abrotman | redeemer: your keyring is out of date |
| 20:44.58 | bravvve | nsadmin:yes,but i think that my configuration is wrong |
| 20:45.12 | redeemer | abrotman: Thanks, how do I update it? |
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| 20:45.51 | abrotman | redeemer: make sure the debian-archive-keyring is installed |
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| 20:46.45 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: since you already downloaded the binary packages from somewhere, start there I guess |
| 20:47.17 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: in fact, if you're lucky... if might already be there? apt-cache showsrc mygui |
| 20:47.29 | nsadmin | can you see the activity light on the thing you're connecting to? |
| 20:47.55 | nsadmin | and when you did the iwlist scan, could you see this light flickering? |
| 20:48.32 | redeemer | abrotman: debian-archive-keyring is already at the newest version |
| 20:48.44 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: it is there, but does it matter if it is libmygui or just mygui? |
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| 20:48.55 | abrotman | redeemer: that should be about it .. aptitude update;apt-get update |
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| 20:49.13 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: "myu |
| 20:49.55 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: "mygui" seems to be the software and source package name. Several binary packages are built from that source: Binary: libmygui-dev, libmygui3, libmygui3-dbg |
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| 20:51.28 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i see, libbullet failed to build |
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| 20:51.47 | redeemer | abrotman: Many thanks, that solved it, but it seems there's something about aptitude/apt-get that I don't understand |
| 20:52.08 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: it mostly contained errors around getdeb, "+#MISSING: 2.80-1~getdeb1" |
| 20:52.21 | redeemer | abrotman: It seems aptitude update did something that I wasn't expecting |
| 20:52.30 | bravvve | am trying to chare connection between 2 PC using adhoc network,the one connected to internet is under windows 7,and the adhoc secrity is wpa2-psk,and the other machine who i wan to confiigure is under debian squeeze amd64 |
| 20:52.39 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: error messages are almost useless without context |
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| 20:53.11 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i ran dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:54.14 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: pastebin its comnplete output |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | redeemer: good luck |
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| 20:54.56 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: how can i get the complete output of dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 20:55.40 | humbolt | tell me, if I am crazy or just not well educated. |
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| 20:56.37 | humbolt | I rsynced a bunch of files from A to B. I even did use the -c for checksum test to make sure. But the files on A have a different size than on B. Why? |
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| 20:56.57 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: one option is to run it inside "script output.log". Pastebin as much as you can, for a start |
| 20:56.57 | humbolt | still rsync swears that these are the same files! |
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| 20:57.13 | jelly-home | humbolt: excludes? |
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| 20:57.59 | humbolt | jelly-home: what are you talking about. no, nothing is excluded! |
| 20:58.12 | jelly-home | humbolt: show the complete command line, and ls -ld of absolute paths to a file on source and destination that ought to be the same but are not |
| 20:58.34 | jelly-home | (use a pastebin) |
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| 21:00.09 | jelly-home | humbolt: rsync semantics has details like changing depending on whether there's a / at the end of the source or destination directory or not |
| 21:00.33 | humbolt | jelly-home: I found out, I was not accurate. du did produce the different sizes. when I look at ls, all is fine. thank god. |
| 21:01.12 | jelly-home | humbolt: does that count as crazy or uneducated |
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| 21:02.32 | blubberdiblub | humbolt, "du" reports the size the file actually uses on the filesystem by default. use the --apparent-size option, if you want it to report apparent sizes |
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| 21:03.59 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: here is the output from the 2nd attempt |
| 21:04.03 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/2SVzjAYb |
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| 21:04.59 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: huh. Did apt-get build-dep libbullet succeed? |
| 21:05.09 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: those were not the same errors the first time |
| 21:05.26 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: yes i will delete everything and run it again |
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| 21:07.08 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/203949 How do I go about fixing a "Wrong Elf Class"?? |
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| 21:10.29 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i confirmed dependencies were met and it is building again from scratch, i increased the lines in the terminal so hopefully i can send the whole thing |
| 21:10.31 | jelly-home | confusid: ignore it. |
| 21:11.37 | jelly-home | confusid: your 32bit browser is confused with your otherwise 64bit system, it shouldn't really matter apart from some cosmetic issues |
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| 21:12.11 | redeemer | This page: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
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| 21:12.40 | redeemer | abrotman: says that apt-get is preferred to aptitude, but my problem seem to have been solved by aptitude |
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| 21:13.46 | rainfyre | can I do a dist-upgrade from within the ncurses aptitude? |
| 21:14.12 | rainfyre | redeemer: aptitude is great |
| 21:14.54 | redeemer | rainfyre: so it seems, but I'm trying to know what each tool is doing |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | redeemer: who says? |
| 21:15.28 | rainfyre | redeemer: fair enough |
| 21:15.31 | redeemer | abrotman: the page I put the link to |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | redeemer: oh, that's only for doing the full upgrade to another distro |
| 21:15.49 | abrotman | erm, version of Debian |
| 21:16.00 | jelly-home | "release" |
| 21:16.11 | abrotman | redeemer: for day to day use, aptitude and apt-get are generally equally okay |
| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | Debian has a problem with overloaded meanings. |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | and i'm too tired to try to figure it out :) |
| 21:17.21 | jelly-home | it's not even 6PM over there |
| 21:17.46 | jelly-home | right |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | we'll trade weeks, we'll see how tired you are :) |
| 21:18.00 | redeemer | abrotman: Thank you for your help |
| 21:18.05 | abrotman | redeemer: good luck |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | runs awa |
| 21:18.09 | abrotman | y |
| 21:18.27 | confusid | jelly-home: think I fixed it. Found a 64 bit version. Its not 17 but version 16 and is not giving errors. |
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| 21:19.46 | jelly-home | mine's at 16.0.1.. er... 16.0.2 now |
| 21:20.07 | jelly-home | cheeky bastard gets updates when you click at About |
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| 21:21.21 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: apologies for using gist but the log was too large for pastebin |
| 21:21.30 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: https://gist.github.com/8b576f8dad2e5740b579 |
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| 21:22.43 | jelly-home | that's alright, I use "pastebin" as a generic term not as "pastebin.com" which is actually among the worse options these days |
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| 21:28.23 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: just realized it contained some extra lines at the start, i removed them |
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| 21:31.23 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: hm, I have no idea what's the deal with dpkg-gensymbols |
| 21:33.52 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: just for fun, what happens if you unpack the source, rm debian/libbullet0.symbols.* and only then proceed with dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us ? |
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| 21:35.24 | bravvve | any one can help |
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| 21:36.06 | bravvve | how can connecte to wlan http://pastebin.com/aL9PcH2i |
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| 21:37.12 | michele_ | bravvve, you have to connect via cli? |
| 21:37.18 | Woet | what is a good way to make sure a harddisk is healthy and ready to be used in a production environment? SMART doesn't seem to be very reliable. |
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| 21:38.32 | bravvve | michele:cli!!! |
| 21:39.47 | michele_ | bravvve, it's one time connection or you have to re-estabilish it at every boot? |
| 21:40.27 | jagginess | michele_, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:40.38 | jelly-home | Woet: check smart anyway, then exercise the disk for 24 hours or more - do a write/read/verify over the whole surface, and some random io tests to you liking |
| 21:40.54 | Woet | jelly-home: we do a write/verify over the whole surface |
| 21:41.03 | Woet | use dd with /dev/zero and then make sure every block is 0 |
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| 21:41.17 | jelly-home | ahh but zeros might not be the best option |
| 21:41.29 | Woet | jelly-home: it's not meant for health check, it's meant for wiping |
| 21:41.37 | michele_ | jagginess, right but for a "stable" connection |
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| 21:42.16 | jelly-home | Woet: then you're set already. If the disks support ATA SECURITY ERASE command you might use that and save some cpu usage instead of dd |
| 21:42.16 | rainfyre | michele_: configuring /etc/network/interfaces will work for a stable connection, it'll just connect to the same ap at every boot |
| 21:42.26 | Woet | jelly-home: not all do |
| 21:42.31 | jelly-home | I know |
| 21:42.40 | arun_ | Can ntfsundelete recover files lost during cut / paste ? |
| 21:42.44 | rainfyre | michele_: bravvve and then dhclient wlan0 |
| 21:42.47 | michele_ | rainfyre, sure I do the same thing |
| 21:42.47 | Woet | jelly-home: but the problem is we want to catch failures |
| 21:42.50 | bravvve | http://pastebin.com/VPN2qU9a |
| 21:42.56 | jelly-home | Woet: don't write zeros then |
| 21:43.09 | michele_ | I'm talking about a one time connection |
| 21:43.12 | jelly-home | sector reallocation looks like zeros, too |
| 21:43.17 | Woet | jelly-home: if I use /dev/urandom or /dev/random, how can I verify it worked? |
| 21:43.41 | jelly-home | Woet: write a known large pattern and verify that |
| 21:43.43 | Woet | hm |
| 21:43.46 | michele_ | bravvve, take a look here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 21:43.57 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: im trying it now |
| 21:44.01 | jelly-home | I don't know of a tool to do it right now |
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| 21:45.24 | rainfyre | michele_: I see. That's the link I've used in the past too |
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| 21:47.44 | bravvve | michele_:No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 21:48.19 | michele_ | probably you are not associated with ap |
| 21:48.51 | michele_ | see iwconfig |
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| 21:49.35 | michele_ | or wpa is wrong |
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| 21:50.22 | quidnunc | Is it safe to use '-f' with apt-get when there are unmet dependencies? |
| 21:51.36 | michele_ | you simply need to place these row in /etc/network/interfaces: auto wlan0 |
| 21:51.37 | michele_ | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 21:51.37 | michele_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.37 | michele_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.24 | michele_ | someone know a working guide to set up an ldap+samba active directory? |
| 21:53.34 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i think that was successful |
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| 21:53.50 | cardamon | Anyone know any good darker GTK+ themes? |
| 21:53.52 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: oh? Install the packages, then |
| 21:54.09 | cardamon | I'm having to eviscerate one to work well with Eclipse anyway. |
| 21:54.31 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: repeat for mygui and any of its build dependencies ;-) |
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| 21:55.32 | Sieva | got a LMDE system that won't boot on its own, only boots with the live cd boot menu 'boot from disk'.... already reinstalled grub, that doesn't fix it. what do? |
| 21:56.16 | sleepee | is the bios configured to only boot from cd? |
| 21:56.39 | jelly-home | Sieva: best to ask the mint people -- boot specifics often differ between distros |
| 21:56.46 | Sieva | nope, if i go to bios boot menu and select my internal drive, it returns failed |
| 21:57.05 | Sieva | jelly-home: good to know thx. |
| 21:57.25 | bravvve | michele_:/etc/network/interface http://pastebin.com/4620Q8d4 /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf http://pastebin.com/wyY8yCys scan http://pastebin.com/aL9PcH2i |
| 21:57.47 | bravvve | what missing |
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| 21:58.53 | sleepee | unknown paste id for wpasupplicant.conf |
| 21:58.59 | sleepee | can't see it |
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| 21:59.39 | sleepee | my bad... i mean for the scan |
| 21:59.45 | sleepee | i can't see the scan pastebin |
| 21:59.53 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i have an odd issue now, it says i have an unmet dependency, "libogre1.8-dev", but i have installed libogre-1.8.dev (see the extra dash?) |
| 22:00.04 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: should i override? |
| 22:00.36 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: im overriding and hoping that works |
| 22:00.38 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: edit the debian/control file accordingly |
| 22:01.01 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: oh okay |
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| 22:02.10 | jelly-home | ,v libogre-1.8-dev |
| 22:02.11 | judd | Package: libogre-1.8-dev on i386 -- sid: 1.8.0+dfsg1-2; wheezy: 1.8.0+dfsg1-2 |
| 22:02.29 | anigma | where can I see what packages gnome-core and gnome come with? |
| 22:02.52 | sleepee | hey guys.. just curious if anybody knows if the chkconfig command that's used in red hat/centos is available for debian.. or some kind of alternative.. |
| 22:03.04 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: sorry, typo, it wants libogre1.8-dev and i have libogre-1.8-dev |
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| 22:03.27 | engla | sleepee: is that the equivalent of update-rc.d ? |
| 22:03.40 | zykotick9 | anigma: if you have debian installed, you can run "apt-cache depends gnome-core" and/or "apt-cache depends gnome" |
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| 22:03.58 | sleepee | i wouldn't know... im not that familiar with debian... |
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| 22:04.30 | zykotick9 | sleepee: you might want to try "rcconf" |
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| 22:05.08 | sleepee | ahhhh.. looking at the man page for update-rc.d and it looks similar to chkconfig |
| 22:05.28 | bravvve | sleepee:http://pastebin.com/wyY8yCys |
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| 22:10.27 | sleepee | yea... it looks like update-rc.d is what i'm looking for.. but a little googling led me to this: "Please note that this program was designed for use in package maintainer scripts and, accordingly, has only the very limited functionality required by such scripts. System administrators are not encouraged to use update-rc.d to manage runlevels. They should edit the links directly or use runlevel editors such as sysv-rc-conf and bum instead." |
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| 22:11.50 | jelly-home | ,i bum |
| 22:11.53 | judd | Package bum (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: graphical runlevel editor. Version: 2.5.2-1; Size: 83.1k; Installed: 520k; Homepage: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/bum |
| 22:12.14 | sleepee | bravvve, im no expert but i've set up wpa_supplicant on some of my computers. i don't think ive ever needed to put anything besides what you put in the network section.. |
| 22:12.22 | sleepee | maybe you could try commenting that out.. |
| 22:12.39 | sleepee | and putting pairwise=CCMP TKIP |
| 22:12.56 | sleepee | i mean, add the TKIP part |
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| 22:15.45 | sleepee | installing bum right now.. looks like a decent gui... kinda wish i had a cli way to do it though... |
| 22:15.56 | zykotick9 | sleepee: you might want to try "rcconf" |
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| 22:21.40 | frikinz | bravvve: after doing ifup wlan0 do you see wpa_supplicant in ps -ef ? |
| 22:21.58 | bravvve | yes |
| 22:22.37 | bravvve | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4 |
| 22:22.52 | bravvve | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 22:23.06 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/203961/ Working on the usb broad band stick. Installed usb-modeswitch and not sure if it is showing correctly now. It at least shows as a gsm modem at the end now. |
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| 22:23.36 | Laban | Hello |
| 22:24.17 | frikinz | bravvve: I am using a roaming configuration : http://teebeenator.blogspot.fr/2012/06/roaming-wireless-configuration-with.html |
| 22:24.23 | Laban | I'm trying to use static IP with wpa_supplicant but can't really find any good info about it. Been reading/looking for hours... Is there anyone around that can help me out? |
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| 22:25.10 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: i just realized it was asking for libogre 1.8.1, i have 1.8, im ignoring for now anyway, i really dont want to have to build another thing from source |
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| 22:25.50 | s3a | localhost is saying "It works!" but localhost/phpmyadmin is showing me the php code rather than processing it. (all this is via a web browser) |
| 22:25.55 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: also it had the same trouble with the symbols, i am trying the same method you suggested with libbullet |
| 22:26.00 | confusid | http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G#For_Novatel I tried that but after more googling is when I installed the usb-modeswitch |
| 22:26.02 | s3a | How do I get it to work? |
| 22:26.28 | themill | s3a: have you installed libapache2-mod-php5? |
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| 22:26.34 | sleepee | thanks zykotick9. i'll check it out... |
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| 22:27.15 | s3a | themill, no it wasn't there. i'm guessing that's the problem. confirmation or denial coming up soon. |
| 22:27.33 | s3a | themill, still not working |
| 22:27.38 | sleepee | Laban, I've done a static ip config with wpasupplicant... dunno if i remember exactly how to do it. |
| 22:27.42 | s3a | nvm |
| 22:27.47 | themill | s3a: you can't trust your browser |
| 22:28.02 | s3a | themill, i think i did it too fast after it installed |
| 22:28.06 | s3a | and what do you mean i can't trust it? |
| 22:28.10 | s3a | specifically |
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| 22:28.24 | Laban | sleepee: I think I just found something around using id_str as a param in wpa_supplicant |
| 22:28.33 | sleepee | there's this guy on youtube that has a good video on how to do it.. it's how i learned how to work with wpasupplicant... check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67bHjMJ4RfE |
| 22:28.39 | s3a | themill, is this how people normally modify a database? |
| 22:28.52 | themill | s3a: once your browser decides that it wants you to do something like save the php source code, it's difficult to get it to actually go off and fetch the code again |
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| 22:29.01 | sleepee | it says arch, but it works for debian too |
| 22:29.15 | themill | s3a: it's one way. |
| 22:29.33 | sleepee | ok... as long as it gets the job done. |
| 22:29.45 | s3a | themill, it didn't ask me to download (i've experienced something like that in the past though). it just displayed it. now it all works well so it's all good :) |
| 22:30.12 | s3a | themill, I figured it would be more programming-like and not all in a web browser |
| 22:30.27 | s3a | themill, just in case you can't tell, i'm very new to this. |
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| 22:30.32 | s3a | (sql and stuff like that) |
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| 22:31.05 | anigma | if I wanted to install X with a minimal gnome desktop, could I just install gdm3 then? |
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| 22:33.00 | themill | s3a: as your requirements become more sophisticated, you may find that you outgrow tools like phpmyadmin fairly quickly. It's a useful tool but by no means the only way of doing things |
| 22:33.44 | s3a | themill, what's a tool with no limits (even if it's harder to use)? |
| 22:33.53 | s3a | (for future reference) |
| 22:34.33 | themill | s3a: write whatever sql you need by hand |
| 22:35.14 | s3a | themill, what do you mean "by hand"? (that sounds like paper/pencil but I don't think that's what you mean) |
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| 22:36.35 | jagginess | anigma, gnome fallback probably gets installed as logon option when intsall gnome.. if you unstall gdm3, that's not the same as gnome3, install both gdm3 and gnom3 |
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| 22:36.50 | jagginess | ,/if you inst |
| 22:37.33 | anigma | jagginess: what exactly would be the difference between installing gnome and gnome-core? |
| 22:39.02 | jagginess | anigma, dunno where gnomefallback is (this is the traditional 2D desktop), gdm3 is a logon manager based on gnome looks-- gdm3 is not the gnome desktop. Well by name, if gnome-core is what it is, then it should be available as a desktop logon option from the logon screen |
| 22:40.02 | confusid | is there a different version of kppp? with a gui? |
| 22:40.05 | anigma | jagginess: that was not related to gdm3! |
| 22:40.20 | confusid | I have xfce installed |
| 22:40.37 | jagginess | anigma, gdm3 is not the gnome desktop |
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| 22:40.51 | jagginess | anigma, it's a logon screen with gnome looks |
| 22:41.14 | jagginess | anigma, usually people who use a gnome desktop have gdm3 as the logon manager |
| 22:41.17 | anigma | jagginess: err, my last question was not related to gdm3! I just wanted to know how much of a difference it would be to install gnome and gnome-core? |
| 22:41.31 | jagginess | anigma, gnome-core is what it is. Install and try them. |
| 22:41.42 | jagginess | anigma, I already said I don't know where gnome-fallback is. |
| 22:41.48 | anigma | oh |
| 22:41.49 | anigma | ah |
| 22:41.50 | anigma | ok |
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| 22:45.29 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: it built successfully even with libogre 1.8 instead of 1.8.1 |
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| 22:47.37 | sc30317 | has anyone set up a USB sound card on debian Wheezy? |
| 22:47.44 | sc30317 | i'm trying to do it now, and it's not playing :( |
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| 22:52.56 | Alam_Squeeze | sc30317: are you using pulseaudio? |
| 22:53.19 | jelly-home | HighBomber_: I'm going to bed, but now you have some idea on how to proceed |
| 22:53.48 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: yes, thank you, im going to post this on the openmw forum and credit you |
| 22:53.49 | sc30317 | Alam_Squeeze, I just did a fresh install of Wheezy |
| 22:53.56 | sc30317 | so I'm assuming that just uses alsa? |
| 22:54.02 | HighBomber_ | jelly-home: cheers |
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| 22:55.15 | sc30317 | Alam_Squeeze, I do have pulseaudio installed |
| 22:55.28 | Alam_Squeeze | run pavucontrol |
| 22:55.37 | s3a | themill, could you help me get to drupal (7) via the web browser? i tried localhost:8082/drupal, localhost:8082/drupal7, localhost/drupal, and localhost/drupal7. |
| 22:55.45 | s3a | please |
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| 22:56.56 | sc30317 | Alam_Squeeze, when I run pavucontrol, I only see the HDMI option |
| 22:56.59 | sc30317 | nothing for my USB card |
| 22:57.21 | Alam_Squeeze | your USB device does not show up in the Config tab? |
| 22:57.30 | sc30317 | Alam_Squeeze, nope |
| 22:57.44 | Alam_Squeeze | dmesg | tail |
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| 22:58.33 | sc30317 | dmesg | grep audio |
| 22:58.35 | sc30317 | returns: |
| 22:58.47 | sc30317 | snd-usb-audio: probe of 1-4:1.0 failed with error -5 |
| 22:58.56 | sc30317 | usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio |
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| 23:03.45 | frikinz | blogspot is such a pain. took me 20mn to do the formatting to add static IP and roaming using ifup and now the person asking is gone. |
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| 23:12.02 | HazardX | is there a simple way to have a startup script execute a ssh command? (it will be a non-interactive session) I want it to keep restarting the connection if it fails (instead of giving up) |
| 23:12.21 | confusid | is the dial number #77 for modems that are cell based? |
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| 23:17.53 | simonlnu | why does dpkg-source apply patches when they're already applied previously in the SAME run? |
| 23:18.04 | confusid | Is there a way to tie wvdial or /dev/ttyUSB0 to wicd? |
| 23:18.09 | simonlnu | of course, when it does this, it fails. |
| 23:18.55 | simonlnu | inconsistent behaviour, IMO |
| 23:19.13 | confusid | was asking about a problem I have |
| 23:19.29 | themill | simonlnu: pastebin? |
| 23:19.51 | simonlnu | moment |
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| 23:21.34 | simonlnu | themill: http://paste.debian.net/203966/ |
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| 23:22.00 | simonlnu | themill: there was some odd file in .pc/ too. just removed it. .dpkg-unapply or somesuch |
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| 23:23.48 | Infiltrator | xsane isn't picking up my canon mp282 scanner; but cups has picked it up as a printer. I can't find a --verbose or --debug option for xsane. What should I do? |
| 23:24.29 | simonlnu | themill: only thing i did previously was use quilt push / pop; i don't think quilt itself would a) create that file b) cause a problem |
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| 23:25.26 | simonlnu | Infiltrator: is it one of those multi-function thingies? try finding a sane driver for it, too. |
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| 23:25.40 | simonlnu | like one specifically for it or very close |
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| 23:26.20 | Infiltrator | simonlnu: Yeah, it is; are the drivers for it in the repos? I had an MP250 scanning fine just before this without needing to do anything else for it. |
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| 23:27.01 | Infiltrator | I need to get sane-backend, right? But that's not a package. |
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| 23:27.15 | simonlnu | pff, dunno. mine isn't, but i "installed" a specific one anyway. gave me some extra options. yeh, something like that. |
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| 23:29.42 | simonlnu | Infiltrator: seems those driver files are in libsane for me |
| 23:30.04 | simonlnu | the -backend stuff is virtual packages IIRC |
| 23:30.18 | Infiltrator | simonlnu: Which only has one version in the repos; great. |
| 23:30.25 | Infiltrator | simonlnu: Thanks for your help. |
| 23:30.32 | simonlnu | np, enjoy |
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| 23:31.30 | frikinz | trying through gimp would be an option.. or just xsane? |
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| 23:31.34 | themill | simonlnu: can I get this package from somewhere? |
| 23:31.36 | simonlnu | themill: don't worry about answering right now. go to sleep ;) |
| 23:31.45 | themill | :) |
| 23:32.08 | simonlnu | themill: it's the mongodb package, but using some modified patches, and new upstream |
| 23:32.16 | simonlnu | source package* |
| 23:32.51 | simonlnu | i implemented the bug fix differently, and made --use-system-foo work |
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| 23:33.50 | simonlnu | i should probably stick this in my public repo once i get this working right ;) |
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| 23:34.29 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 23:34.52 | simonlnu | i don't get why dpkg-source applies patches when it's cleaning step... |
| 23:35.50 | simonlnu | meh, i'll look at it later |
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| 23:39.57 | frikinz | Hi rindolf |
| 23:40.03 | rindolf | frikinz: hi. |
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| 23:42.33 | cardamon | Anyone know any good darker GTK+ themes? |
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| 23:43.44 | mmnicolas | cardamon: darker than Darklooks ? |
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| 23:46.11 | cardamon | darklooks? |
| 23:46.22 | frikinz | simonlnu: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html 5.22 ? |
| 23:46.48 | simonlnu | frikinz: thanks, i'll look that up |
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