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| 00:34.10 | seeqwell | ok one thing at a time. I just installed squeeze from my usb stick and now I'm dependent on using the usbstick just to boot debian. How do I move the mbr to the hard drive please? |
| 00:35.01 | dondelelcaro | seeqwell: grub-install /path/to/hard/drive |
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| 00:35.24 | dvs | e.g. /dev/sda |
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| 00:35.38 | Rudeviper | I'm having a heck of a time trying to fix a problem with a RPi - Trying to get the ram upgrade to work but that requires moving some files I donwloaded into the /boot dir - I can't seem to remember how to do this. Can't find what I need on google or documentation. |
| 00:36.13 | seeqwell | ok |
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| 00:38.32 | seeqwell | I'm not sure which one dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/xvAqv2Gy here is my paste please |
| 00:40.36 | seeqwell | dvs? |
| 00:40.42 | LtL | seeqwell: /dev/sda |
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| 00:41.03 | seeqwell | from off my pastebin LtL ? |
| 00:41.25 | LtL | seeqwell: after grub-install you probably need to update-grub also |
| 00:41.52 | seeqwell | right so /dev/sda is the one I want from off my pastebin? I don't see sda |
| 00:41.58 | LtL | seeqwell: yes off the paste /de/sda is your system drive |
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| 00:42.23 | seeqwell | thanks LtL |
| 00:42.31 | LtL | seeqwell: the partitions sda1 are on sda |
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| 00:42.34 | LtL | etc |
| 00:42.54 | seeqwell | I have two more issues nvidia 611 transparency I don't have and add me to sudoers |
| 00:43.37 | seeqwell | yay gurb updated LtL |
| 00:43.47 | LtL | seeqwell: can't help with nvidia, add yourself to /etc/sudoers using the 'visudo' program |
| 00:43.50 | seeqwell | ok now how to I add myself to sudoers please? |
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| 00:44.26 | dvs | or add yourself to the sudo group |
| 00:44.33 | LtL | seeqwell: exceute visudo replicate the line under root ALL blah blah with yourself username |
| 00:45.00 | LtL | dvs is also correct seeqwell |
| 00:45.01 | seeqwell | me ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 00:45.09 | LtL | seeqwell: that'll work |
| 00:45.09 | seeqwell | like that LtL? |
| 00:45.15 | seeqwell | thanks |
| 00:45.16 | LtL | yup |
| 00:45.19 | LtL | np |
| 00:46.13 | seeqwell | ok now nvidia and im done! i havn't been on debian in about 7 years or since Sarge and don't remember. was spoiled to Ubuntu but it sux more and more so...this channel will be filling up everyone on facebook is leaving for Debian |
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| 00:47.48 | seeqwell | ok so now when I reboot, I'll boot straight to the hard drive? |
| 00:48.19 | LtL | seeqwell: i certainly hope so.. yes :) if you updated grub |
| 00:48.29 | seeqwell | did |
| 00:48.36 | LtL | good to go |
| 00:48.43 | seeqwell | LtL how do I see my graphic setting so that I can get transparency |
| 00:48.51 | LtL | yank the usb |
| 00:48.56 | seeqwell | should I just go to nvidia and get a new driver? |
| 00:49.19 | seeqwell | yanked |
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| 00:49.29 | LtL | seeqwell: keep asking about nvidia, i can't help there. |
| 00:49.36 | seeqwell | I'll reboot first and then work on my transparency |
| 00:49.40 | seeqwell | brb |
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| 00:57.54 | bugger | hi all - i seem to have serious problems with NTP, it doesn't work at all in my network |
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| 00:58.17 | bugger | ntpq -p shows 4 servers it's trying to sync with, but never seems to actually get synced |
| 00:58.21 | nsadmin | why? |
| 00:58.58 | nsadmin | are the machines out more than 1024 secs? |
| 00:59.25 | nsadmin | what's the shape of your net? |
| 00:59.49 | dvs | lattice |
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| 01:02.18 | nsadmin | for example do you have... a bunch of machines connected to each other with a switch/hub, and connected to the outside with a gateway? |
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| 01:07.02 | katsh | how can i see which user/group a service is running as (apache in my case) |
| 01:07.38 | dvs | www-data |
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| 01:08.27 | katsh | you sure? |
| 01:08.28 | nsadmin | would ps aux show the group? |
| 01:09.05 | katsh | not apache's |
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| 01:09.27 | katsh | issue is,i am trying to move a file php uploaded from /tmp to /var/www/site/uploads |
| 01:09.34 | katsh | uploads is owned by katsh:www-data |
| 01:09.42 | katsh | so i need to be sure apache is running as www-data |
| 01:09.44 | katsh | or belongs do it |
| 01:09.53 | katsh | (since im getting permissio denied) |
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| 01:10.01 | LtL | nsadmin: netstat -tunap would show the group in the PID/Program column wouldn't it? |
| 01:10.26 | LtL | if its running that is |
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| 01:11.33 | nsadmin | tuna pee! |
| 01:11.52 | LtL | easy to remember :) |
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| 01:22.44 | seeqwell | Was Debian mean to support transparent windows? |
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| 01:23.01 | LtL | seeqwell: did it boot ok? |
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| 01:23.31 | gnarface | seeqwell: many window managers have them, yes. you only get the really fancy ones if you have good enough video card drivers though |
| 01:23.36 | seeqwell | oh yes LtL thanks a bunches...now transparency and I'm done. Scared to go to nvidia and get the driver...i remember sometimes it wouldn't work out |
| 01:23.58 | seeqwell | nvidia gforce 6100 gnarface |
| 01:23.59 | LtL | seeqwell: good, hope the nvidia thing plays nice |
| 01:24.22 | gnarface | seeqwell: the nvidia driver is packaged now you don't have to get it from nvidia. it still may not work out. |
| 01:24.48 | nsadmin | seeqwell, no, your video card, driver and xwindows supports that |
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| 01:25.34 | nsadmin | and parts of the kernel |
| 01:26.15 | seeqwell | I'm confused. I don't even know how to tell what kinda driver I have |
| 01:26.48 | gnarface | seeqwell: i usually just look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log first |
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| 01:27.39 | seeqwell | thanks gnarface |
| 01:27.58 | katsh | i start apache with service apache2 start...ps aux shows 5 instances, why? |
| 01:28.11 | LtL | katsh: normal |
| 01:28.18 | katsh | the first one is root |
| 01:28.30 | katsh | normal too? |
| 01:28.41 | LtL | katsh: hrm, not so much |
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| 01:29.12 | katsh | http://tabbit.org/A+6uh |
| 01:30.31 | LtL | katsh: i think thats what root started manually..just a guess |
| 01:30.36 | nsadmin | a web server will typically start many instances of itself |
| 01:31.10 | katsh | .. |
| 01:31.14 | LtL | katsh: its probably safe to kill the root instance |
| 01:31.18 | katsh | alright |
| 01:31.35 | katsh | because i actuall ran `sude service apache2 start` |
| 01:31.49 | LtL | probably so |
| 01:31.50 | katsh | and no |
| 01:31.54 | katsh | killing the root one killed all others |
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| 01:32.25 | LtL | ah, i was afraid of that, i havent ran a debian server since releases ago |
| 01:32.29 | LtL | sorry |
| 01:32.40 | LtL | no harm, restart as root |
| 01:33.33 | katsh | im only running debian due to stability |
| 01:33.36 | katsh | =) |
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| 01:34.00 | LtL | debian is a good web server, always has been |
| 01:34.02 | NoARPs | Hi all, I am having a blonde moment over here, I changed my mac address on a eth device and I'd like to revert it back to the factory mac address and I have no idea what it was before, how would I go about this? |
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| 01:36.15 | katsh | if you have physical access to it, should be a sticker on it |
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| 01:36.46 | nsadmin | NoARPs, the only thing I thought about, was if you have its serial number, maybe the mfgr has the mac addr |
| 01:36.46 | NoARPs | I don't have physical access |
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| 01:37.57 | NoARPs | hm |
| 01:38.04 | seeqwell | crossing my fingers about this http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-6-0-squeeze.html |
| 01:38.07 | nsadmin | the only other thing, what if you leave the mac as it is now and reboot? |
| 01:38.21 | NoARPs | i'll try a reboot |
| 01:40.57 | nsadmin | fingers n toes crossed... |
| 01:42.33 | nsadmin | NoARPs, and? |
| 01:42.53 | NoARPs | whosp got carried away eating chocolate |
| 01:42.57 | NoARPs | let me ssh back in |
| 01:43.51 | NoARPs | ah thats done it |
| 01:43.56 | LtL | the mac address should be permanent but can be changed, it should revert |
| 01:44.22 | NoARPs | thanks its reverted back |
| 01:44.38 | NoARPs | hm i'm still not getting a arp reply on that nic |
| 01:45.51 | nsadmin | oh, good... whew :) if it's a remote in a data center, maybe things like the gateway and the serial console filter on that mac |
| 01:46.27 | NoARPs | its a ESXI host |
| 01:46.35 | NoARPs | and the VM is a linux router |
| 01:46.55 | NoARPs | can't get the other nics to work correctly , i copied my other setup for the other esxi vm |
| 01:47.01 | nsadmin | so the nic is in software? |
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| 01:48.10 | NoARPs | yes in two places |
| 01:48.33 | NoARPs | i added the nic live with vm on then tried to do it via linux it didn't work then tried via esxi |
| 01:48.41 | NoARPs | and together I screwed it all up |
| 01:48.55 | NoARPs | i'm getting incomplete arps for the gateway |
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| 01:51.59 | NoARPs | I basically have 3 nics with different public IPs |
| 01:52.01 | NoARPs | one works |
| 01:52.05 | NoARPs | the others don't |
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| 01:56.00 | NoARPs | i bet the switch has banned the MAC |
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| 01:59.54 | jagginess | NoARPs, you shouldnt use Public Ip#'s in a lan |
| 02:00.16 | NoARPs | its not lan |
| 02:00.23 | NoARPs | its internet facing |
| 02:00.35 | jagginess | NoARPs, you have 3 ISP providers? |
| 02:00.41 | NoARPs | whois 5.135.69.192 |
| 02:00.49 | NoARPs | i have a ripe block |
| 02:00.56 | jagginess | yeah whatever |
| 02:01.07 | cusco | why don't the others work? |
| 02:01.12 | jagginess | arp is for lan only |
| 02:01.21 | cusco | curl --interface=ethX myip.com or so |
| 02:01.26 | NoARPs | its for the datacenter gateaway |
| 02:01.29 | cusco | its not |
| 02:02.09 | cusco | I wasn't reading from top.. what is wrong ? |
| 02:02.12 | cusco | NoARPs: ? |
| 02:02.12 | NoARPs | they make me use the ips in a werid way with the subnet mask been 255.255.255.255 and their gateaway is on differnet subnet its done weirdly |
| 02:02.26 | cusco | ow? that should not be done :/ |
| 02:02.29 | NoARPs | I am not getting arp replies on two of the 3 nics |
| 02:02.35 | cusco | you should use a valid netmask then |
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| 02:02.47 | NoARPs | it is valid its a /32 |
| 02:02.55 | cusco | and teh gateway is insede the /32 ? |
| 02:02.56 | NoARPs | as far as there concerned |
| 02:03.07 | NoARPs | no they use some weird ass method |
| 02:03.19 | cusco | drop down the mask a notch until it is? :p |
| 02:03.23 | cusco | so you have 3 interfaces |
| 02:03.30 | NoARPs | the gateway is a 94 address :P |
| 02:03.31 | jagginess | its not weird.. it's just that you're not qualified to do the job.. (I know what's going on, but you'll have to pay $$ me) |
| 02:03.32 | cusco | can you use them to ping the gateway? |
| 02:03.56 | cusco | jagginess: we don't do that here |
| 02:04.03 | NoARPs | I setup the other ESXI host up fine... |
| 02:04.09 | NoARPs | with /32s |
| 02:04.15 | NoARPs | and gateway on another subnet |
| 02:04.46 | jagginess | NoARPs, you obviously don't know router's don't need to be a large reserve ip range to do routing transits |
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| 02:05.22 | jagginess | heck maybe they're using vlan |
| 02:05.48 | NoARPs | all im saying is same company it works with one esxi host and not the other |
| 02:06.39 | NoARPs | esxi 1 sbg-gw-6k.fr.eu (37.59.1.254) at 00:07:b4:00:00:01 [ether] on eth0 |
| 02:06.40 | NoARPs | , sbg-gw-6k.fr.eu (37.59.1.254) at 00:07:b4:00:00:01 [ether] on eth4 |
| 02:06.40 | NoARPs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:06.51 | NoARPs | esxi 2 only one has the arp resolved |
| 02:07.00 | NoARPs | the other 2 ints are incomplete |
| 02:07.43 | jagginess | lol.. esxi that's a paid commercial product is it not? (and there are technical certificates for that too) |
| 02:08.00 | jagginess | that's why you need to get a certificate |
| 02:08.04 | NoARPs | esxi host is free |
| 02:08.12 | NoARPs | its not free when you try to use vcenter |
| 02:08.48 | jagginess | you need to know your routing equipment.. but you dont even understand how routers are used.. apparently |
| 02:08.58 | jagginess | (and i mean seriously doesnt look like you do) |
| 02:09.21 | NoARPs | its not my routing equipment |
| 02:09.42 | NoARPs | and its not your typical setup |
| 02:10.18 | nsadmin | I have a typical setup!! |
| 02:10.25 | jagginess | ya but you dont know me. and i know how to fix it |
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| 02:10.33 | jagginess | sighs |
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| 02:11.31 | NoARPs | lol i know about the gateway should be in your subnet (in a typical setup) |
| 02:13.13 | madmuppet006 | I am trying to install alsa on a fresh install of wheezy 3.2.0-3-amd64 following this internet website http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1969 and I get an errror checking for directory with kernel headers... failed but although I have apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:13.51 | nsadmin | NoARPs, are these three IPs in a subnet themselves? |
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| 02:14.01 | NoARPs | yup |
| 02:14.10 | NoARPs | its a /28 |
| 02:14.36 | NoARPs | they allow you to use the entire block including broadcast |
| 02:14.51 | NoARPs | hence why they tell you to use the 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:15.07 | nsadmin | and the net address too? |
| 02:15.16 | NoARPs | yup |
| 02:15.35 | nsadmin | so you actually have 16 usable addresses, not 14 |
| 02:15.54 | NoARPs | yes |
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| 02:18.47 | nsadmin | they say to use 255.255.255.255 as what? |
| 02:19.11 | NoARPs | subnet mask |
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| 02:19.42 | shifty` | question about /etc/apt/sources.list. I have a local mirror, I'd prefer files to be download from there. If they aren't available from the mirror, then they can be downloaded from an offical mirror. Is there any way to do this? |
| 02:20.13 | gnarface | shifty`: i think that's the default behavior if you just use both sources at the same time |
| 02:20.30 | shifty` | gnarface: which one takes precedence? |
| 02:20.54 | h2s | http://askubuntu.com/questions/135339/assign-highest-priority-to-my-local-repository |
| 02:21.08 | h2s | that says put the priority ones higher |
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| 02:23.13 | gnarface | i never heard that before but i've never tried it. its not a problem if you pick your own name or iterate the package revision # |
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| 02:23.23 | shifty` | h2s: it most certain does! thank you. now I'm off to see if it really is that simple. (some years back I tried something similar and wasn't happy with the results.) |
| 02:24.10 | gnarface | isn't sure its smart to assume ubuntu behaves the same even for something like this |
| 02:24.20 | h2s | true |
| 02:24.38 | simonlnu | that i'm pretty sure they haven't changed |
| 02:24.53 | simonlnu | apt_preferences? |
| 02:25.32 | h2s | http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Debian_Package#Order_of_servers_in_sources.list: |
| 02:25.40 | h2s | "Servers listed first in sources.list have higher priority" |
| 02:25.54 | simonlnu | ah. yeh, they do. |
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| 02:26.55 | simonlnu | just run apt-get or aptitude (in text-only mode) update and you'll see it... |
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| 02:32.26 | h2s | Can anyone recommend which version of Debian is best suited for use as a fairly typical development machine? |
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| 02:33.48 | shifty` | h2s: the one you already have? |
| 02:33.57 | petemc | h2s: wheezy works |
| 02:34.30 | engla | probably wheezy for any personal uses |
| 02:34.34 | h2s | I've been using Ubuntu outside of servers for a while, wanting to homogenize a bit and get everything on debian |
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| 02:44.19 | NiLon | http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php |
| 02:44.22 | simonlnu | frikinz: was very helpful, thank you. but, doesn't seem to be "listening". |
| 02:44.37 | NiLon | someone might be interested to take loot at that :) |
| 02:45.01 | simonlnu | shrugs |
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| 02:49.16 | NoobCoder | h2s: Debian is best suited for that |
| 02:49.26 | NoobCoder | its awesome for development |
| 02:49.41 | gnarface | NiLon: i thought the beta was closed? |
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| 02:50.06 | gnarface | NiLon: i thought the 1000 users were already picked, no? |
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| 02:52.17 | frankko | i do not know how i managed to do it, but somehow the content in /root remained after repartitioning and formatting... saved me loads of time =D |
| 02:53.18 | NiLon | gnarface not sure if that's the case |
| 02:53.29 | NiLon | it's not locked yet so well |
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| 03:03.24 | shifty` | sources.list update: i'm happy to report that debian does indeed prefer the first listed source. thanks gnarface and h2s. |
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| 03:09.51 | seeqwell | This Squeeze is the equivalent of Ubuntu Karmic Koala |
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| 03:21.12 | simonlnu | got tired of dpkg-{buildpackage,source} behaving like shit and went the fakeroot debian/rules foo route .... |
| 03:21.34 | EasyAsPie | how r u simonlnu |
| 03:22.22 | simonlnu | feeling rather impatient |
| 03:23.10 | LtL | seeqwell: how so? |
| 03:23.38 | simonlnu | pardon my language |
| 03:25.07 | seeqwell | I'm on kde and its the exact same desktop of Karmic |
| 03:25.59 | nsadmin | so that means the whole rest of your installation is also the same? |
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| 03:26.30 | nsadmin | maybe it was just the default at the time |
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| 03:27.01 | LtL | seeqwell: appearances can be deceiving. |
| 03:27.17 | seeqwell | I guess |
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| 03:28.18 | jeep | kde project peeked long time ago at like version 3.2 |
| 03:28.22 | nsadmin | so, what if it were the same? would that be bad? if so, what would be the worst thing about it? |
| 03:28.41 | nsadmin | what did kde project peek at? |
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| 03:29.26 | nsadmin | jeep, are you saying it's unmaintained? |
| 03:29.30 | jeep | nsadmin: improvements i think old kde is better than the new |
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| 03:29.50 | nsadmin | I hear that a lot |
| 03:29.55 | jeep | nsadmin: neah they work on it alot .. but i dont like the result |
| 03:30.20 | nsadmin | what about the result don't you like? (specifically) |
| 03:30.47 | nsadmin | maybe that's too big... if so, what are three things about the result you don't like? |
| 03:31.17 | jeep | i think it feels clumsy like how things are arranged now |
| 03:31.47 | nsadmin | can you arrange them the way you want, or is it locked? |
| 03:31.56 | nsadmin | and, what else? |
| 03:32.18 | jeep | oh its tweakable for sure .. but default ihate |
| 03:32.37 | nsadmin | what would it take for you to change it? |
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| 03:33.54 | jeep | not surei guess one day i could try to make it suit me |
| 03:34.06 | jeep | and keep track of all the changes i made |
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| 03:34.32 | nsadmin | putting the config dir under git could do that |
| 03:35.07 | nsadmin | if you do that you can even annotate your changes in any way, including ways that make sense to you |
| 03:35.22 | jeep | thats a good idea actually |
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| 03:41.20 | nsadmin | while I believe git to be the strongest choice if only because it's probably going to be the longest runnign, you also have a lot of other choices |
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| 03:43.40 | jagginess | even xcode supports git |
| 03:44.07 | nsadmin | it's easy to use once you've played with it for awhile with things you consider insignificant and unimportant (so that you can feel comfortable screwing it up entirely) |
| 03:45.40 | nsadmin | there's a really good doc to help you understand what's up, "git from the bottom up" at least the first 15 (of 30) pages |
| 03:45.53 | jagginess | ya |
| 03:45.58 | jagginess | the f git home site |
| 03:45.59 | jagginess | lol |
| 03:47.31 | jagginess | (and of course the kittykitten cover of the oreilly book git) |
| 03:49.45 | Infiltrator | When printing PDFs over the network, all I get is an empty file in /var/spool/samba and no print job in cups. I tried the fix in https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/838856/, but that didn't help. |
| 03:50.21 | nsadmin | http://newartisans.com/2008/04/git-from-the-bottom-up/ |
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| 03:58.37 | I_Died_Once | hi, is it safe to delete the contents of /var/cache ??? |
| 03:59.06 | Infiltrator | I_Died_Once: Why do you want to do that? |
| 03:59.14 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 03:59.21 | I_Died_Once | free up needed disk space |
| 03:59.42 | Infiltrator | I_Died_Once: Try apt-get autoclean |
| 04:00.02 | I_Died_Once | good call |
| 04:00.15 | nsadmin | which will get rid of the downloaded .debs |
| 04:00.18 | seeqwell | hey I have no show desktop widget :-( I have to move all my windows by hand |
| 04:00.19 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 04:00.27 | seeqwell | what do we use to clear desktop of clutter? |
| 04:00.41 | nsadmin | both arms |
| 04:01.02 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:01.07 | I_Died_Once | seeqwell, would depend on whick desktop envirnmonet you're using |
| 04:01.51 | nsadmin | EasyAsPie, welcome to debian support. if you want some help, /msg dpkg ask |
| 04:02.04 | nsadmin | and /msg dpkg sicco |
| 04:02.16 | EasyAsPie | im lonely |
| 04:02.56 | nsadmin | meet new people... a minimum of 5/day |
| 04:03.08 | EasyAsPie | im trying |
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| 04:03.33 | jagginess | seeqwell, save your crap in ~/Downloads or ~/Documents :) |
| 04:03.40 | nsadmin | it's not as easy as it sounds... approaching new people takes courage |
| 04:04.37 | seeqwell | kde I_Died_Once |
| 04:05.24 | seeqwell | oh no jagginess I need a show desktop widget you know one click and everything is minimized |
| 04:05.37 | jagginess | I_Died_Once, I buried you. (scariest quote from Shutter Island.) |
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| 04:06.36 | jagginess | seeqwell, uh.. not sure, that too depends on what widget, if you think kde doesnt have one, that'll be dammed.. I'm pretty sure there's something withwidget or without |
| 04:07.14 | seeqwell | heck jagginess I had to download my own kmix so that I can control volume geeze lol |
| 04:07.25 | jagginess | seeqwell, i'm a 2D gnome fallback mode kinda guy.. I really dont give a dam what desktop i'm forced with but will i'll always try to stick my nose back into 2D |
| 04:08.01 | seeqwell | I'm a kde girl <3 |
| 04:08.13 | jagginess | i thought that's still around the kmixer, probably under a differnt activation setting |
| 04:09.25 | jagginess | i have vol buttons on my keyb heheheh.. |
| 04:10.02 | jagginess | my vol keys always work in either desktop gnome/kde .. i dont hafta worry about 'em mixers |
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| 04:14.03 | jagginess | oh well another dam video compression run.. ffs.. takes so long |
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| 04:14.15 | jagginess | seeqwell, entertain me |
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| 04:15.07 | jagginess | shakes his <3 right back at seeqwell |
| 04:15.08 | jagginess | lol |
| 04:15.44 | jagginess | she started it |
| 04:15.48 | seeqwell | lol |
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| 04:16.11 | Infiltrator | !offtopic |
| 04:16.11 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 04:16.21 | jagginess | Infiltrator, <3 |
| 04:16.31 | Infiltrator | jagginess: ^ |
| 04:16.56 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.12 | nsadmin | that just gpes to show... it takes two characters to love |
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| 04:20.02 | mentor | Are we showing off our unicode? ☠|
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| 04:20.24 | mentor | How are DNS SRV RRs and TLS/SSL supposed to work? |
| 04:21.09 | jagginess | mentor, how the f did you get that anchor? |
| 04:21.15 | Infiltrator | lol |
| 04:21.21 | Infiltrator | It's the Soviet hammer and sickle. |
| 04:21.23 | mentor | IT's not an anchor |
| 04:21.30 | mentor | <Compose> C C C P |
| 04:21.48 | mentor | It amused me that someone had put that in the default list |
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| 04:22.38 | Sazpaimon | is there some way to get a netcat shell to work with a password prompt? |
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| 04:23.21 | jagginess | mentor, TLS/SSL is funny stuff for the application layer around where HTTP comes. DNS records, are records. if you want to encrypt dns, look into the DNSSEC standard.. <3 |
| 04:23.24 | mentor | Sazpaimon: netcat isn't a shell, it's a network pipe |
| 04:24.25 | Sazpaimon | mentor, yeah, I'm using netcat to recieve a reverse shell |
| 04:24.27 | mentor | jagginess: "virtual" hosting and SSL/TLS have a chequered history; SRV records add another wrinkle |
| 04:24.33 | truexfan81 | my netbook wifi keeps dropping out on wheezy |
| 04:24.37 | Sazpaimon | because for some weird reason ssh stopped working on my remote box |
| 04:24.52 | mentor | Sazpaimon: You should plumb netcat through to a pty with login on it or something |
| 04:25.03 | truexfan81 | i have it using wicd |
| 04:25.11 | Sazpaimon | mentor, I'm running python -c 'import pty; pty.spawn("/bin/bash")' when I get connected, so that gives me a pty |
| 04:25.18 | jagginess | mentor, that tells me you haven't read what SSL is really about |
| 04:25.19 | truexfan81 | ath5k driver |
| 04:25.34 | Sazpaimon | but when I do su, it asks me for my password, and when I type, it shows what I'm typing on the screen and doesnt seem to go to su |
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| 04:25.52 | jagginess | mentor, SSL/TLS stuff could implie pki. I doubt you're working with pki |
| 04:26.00 | jagginess | ,/imply |
| 04:26.12 | mentor | jagginess: Do you know what the problem with running virtual hosting on an SSL layer is? |
| 04:26.24 | jagginess | mentor, yes. |
| 04:26.44 | mentor | jagginess: Right, do you know what SRV records are? |
| 04:26.47 | jagginess | mentor, but that's old news.. most browsers support sending the server's hostname. |
| 04:26.50 | LtL | Sazpaimon: su is expecting a username, try su - for root ..thats my guess |
| 04:27.01 | Sazpaimon | doesnt su default to root? |
| 04:27.07 | mentor | jagginess: No, Server Host Indication is still very poorly supported |
| 04:27.08 | jagginess | mentor, you're asking about SSL/TLS meddling.. what does that have to do with DNS records? |
| 04:27.12 | jagginess | mentor, the two are separate.. |
| 04:27.41 | Sazpaimon | either way, it doesnt work, when I type in my password, it shows up my screen, and su just says permission denied |
| 04:27.48 | Sazpaimon | i know my password is right |
| 04:27.49 | jagginess | mentor, that's old news to me.. |
| 04:27.59 | LtL | Sazpaimon: actually yes |
| 04:28.05 | mentor | jagginess: Good to know |
| 04:28.10 | jagginess | mentor, I looked into this.. If you want to support legacy dumb old clients.. then yes it's a problem.. |
| 04:28.14 | mentor | jagginess: I'll try to bear that in mind |
| 04:28.22 | jagginess | mentor, It's nothing new.. |
| 04:28.38 | Sazpaimon | im pretty sure by the fact that I can see my password as im typing it on the password prompt that it isnt actually going to su |
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| 04:29.12 | LtL | Sazpaimon: are you in sudoers |
| 04:29.27 | Sazpaimon | LtL, no |
| 04:29.31 | Sazpaimon | i dont even think I have sudo |
| 04:29.38 | mentor | jagginess: You know, you're not being particularly helpful |
| 04:29.48 | Sazpaimon | i may have to just reboot the server, i cant even access the serial console |
| 04:30.16 | LtL | Sazpaimon: it echoes the password in the terminal? |
| 04:30.23 | nsadmin | does the server have control over the serial console? |
| 04:30.37 | Sazpaimon | LtL, yeah |
| 04:30.47 | mentor | Sazpaimon: PAM auths through passwd and shadow files? |
| 04:30.49 | jagginess | mentor, go read up on the apache's docs and it's ssl counterparts, SNI is described there as well. SNI is supported and works. I use it locally here. |
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| 04:31.22 | nsadmin | pam can, and can also auth thru other methods, those which are somehow made pam aware |
| 04:31.39 | Sazpaimon | mentor, sorry, dont understand the question |
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| 04:31.49 | jagginess | mentor, you obviously have to understand how your browser uses certificates as well. You don't understand this either when i implied you're slightly digging into pki stuff.. |
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| 04:33.03 | mentor | Sazpaimon: Sorry, it was a stupid question; root will always have a local auth. entry anyway |
| 04:33.19 | mentor | jagginess: I'm not too keen on all this telling me what I don't know to be honest |
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| 04:33.25 | Sazpaimon | does it matter what the user is? |
| 04:33.29 | jagginess | mentor, the crap you're crying about has been supported since Firefox 2.0. go rtfm |
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| 04:33.39 | Sazpaimon | the current user is my httpd user, since right now that's my only entrypoint into my server |
| 04:33.51 | Sazpaimon | I can ftp using my root login, but that's jailed to my /root/ home |
| 04:33.52 | jagginess | eh |
| 04:33.57 | jagginess | yeah.. i'll shutup |
| 04:34.06 | jagginess | knows nothing |
| 04:34.10 | mentor | Of course, having looked, you are right, SNI is well supported now |
| 04:34.21 | jagginess | for years. |
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| 04:34.44 | katsh | how do i delete orphanated packages |
| 04:35.02 | pbase | katsh : autoclean? |
| 04:35.04 | Infiltrator | When printing PDFs over the network, all I get is an empty file in /var/spool/samba and no print job in cups. I tried the fix in https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/838856/, but that didn't help. |
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| 04:35.30 | nsadmin | so, mentor, were you testing jagginess followed by opping yourself? |
| 04:35.50 | katsh | pbase: is that it? thanks |
| 04:35.56 | mentor | nsadmin: No, I was about to tell him that his manner wasn't appropriate. |
| 04:36.08 | nsadmin | that's bullshit |
| 04:36.16 | mentor | No, it is not |
| 04:36.42 | pbase | katsh: for debian - apt-get clean <pkg name> |
| 04:36.43 | nsadmin | the manner in which you did it is also inappropriate... |
| 04:36.45 | mentor | The greater majority of what he said to me consisted entirely of telling me what I did not know |
| 04:37.11 | mentor | I mentioned this a couple of times as a user, to which he did not listen |
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| 04:37.27 | mentor | I added ops simply to indicate that what I said was channel policy |
| 04:37.27 | Infiltrator | lol he left |
| 04:37.35 | nsadmin | and, then you checked and found he was correct. at that point you tried to scare him |
| 04:37.41 | mentor | Yes, right as I was pointing out that he was right |
| 04:37.51 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:38.15 | mentor | Being right is not justification for being demeaning or unhelpful |
| 04:38.38 | klync | hey gang. got a couple odd issues with my new squeezebox (laptop): first, why in evolution do my subscribed imap folders show up? any guesses what i'm missing? |
| 04:38.40 | nsadmin | and yet many ops do that |
| 04:39.03 | nsadmin | take care of that problem first |
| 04:39.05 | mentor | nsadmin: If you tell me which ones, provide logs, I willl talk to them |
| 04:40.46 | nsadmin | we can start with logs of this session, in which you use external locus of control to manipulate his state |
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| 04:41.01 | nsadmin | and in a very sneaky way |
| 04:41.11 | pbase | we have too little time for creation of things that we cannot afford to waste them on petty fights.. |
| 04:41.16 | katsh | clean did not remove orphan packages |
| 04:41.25 | mentor | nsadmin: Obviously I am not impartial in this; please would you report it to another op or in debian-ops |
| 04:41.27 | katsh | some package installed ttf fonts, fontconfig, etc, in the server |
| 04:41.34 | katsh | and i dont even have x on there =| |
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| 04:41.51 | pbase | katsh: are you on debian? |
| 04:41.57 | katsh | yes |
| 04:42.10 | nsadmin | I'm reporting it to you because you can change yourself much more effectively and peacefully than being talked to from another op |
| 04:42.32 | nsadmin | it's much more forthright to do it that way first |
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| 04:42.42 | katsh | pbase: ^ |
| 04:42.58 | pbase | if you try apt-get purge font* it will show the installed packages with names similar to "font" in them.. you can then chosse |
| 04:43.00 | nsadmin | and I request you contact jagginess and make nice |
| 04:43.07 | katsh | googling led me to a program called deborphan |
| 04:43.16 | mentor | nsadmin: What makes you think I have not tried to resolve the issue already? |
| 04:43.19 | katsh | pbase: right. but there are more |
| 04:43.45 | katsh | at some point back, apt gave me this |
| 04:43.47 | katsh | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 04:43.49 | katsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.57 | katsh | so it got me thinking...what if there are more? |
| 04:43.59 | pbase | katsh ples use pastebin |
| 04:44.03 | nsadmin | that you didn't say so one way or another, and point taken: have you already started a conversation with him? |
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| 04:44.38 | mentor | nsadmin: I have attempted to continue the resolution of the issue, yes. |
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| 04:45.08 | nsadmin | great! |
| 04:45.27 | LtL | katsh: so just apt-get autoremove all those entries |
| 04:45.32 | mentor | I would have preferred to have dealt with the issue without him leaving. |
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| 04:45.53 | pbase | LtL: it might remove many other packages which he might have removed unknowingly |
| 04:46.01 | pbase | i mean the dependecies |
| 04:46.03 | katsh | LTL right. but that was shown after i uninstalled php5-ffmpeg...what about other packages in the past i have removed that left dependant packages |
| 04:46.10 | katsh | taking up precious disk space =| |
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| 04:46.53 | pbase | katsh: are you wanting that the downloaded packages be cleaned? |
| 04:46.54 | LtL | katsh: it said they are no longer needed, i've never had a problem removing them. |
| 04:47.16 | pbase | cleaned from the apt cache |
| 04:47.37 | katsh | right. if there are ALL the uneeded packages in the system, then that's ok. ill remove them |
| 04:47.42 | katsh | but i'd like to know if there are more |
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| 04:47.47 | katsh | or just the ones php5-ffmpeg left behind |
| 04:47.51 | nsadmin | the thing is that with no written code of conduct for ops which are readable by everyone, the only evidence of such a code is the actual behavior of ops... what else can those of us who are not ops do but to follow the example |
| 04:48.16 | nsadmin | and if there is one, link? |
| 04:48.28 | pbase | katsh: the packages work like a tree dependecy. if you remove any one crucial packages (which might be shared by multiple applications), all of them stop to work |
| 04:48.58 | katsh | i know this. but if debian is telling me those are no longer required, i am assuming no other packages need them |
| 04:49.24 | pbase | yes. let me give an example |
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| 04:49.41 | katsh | what i dont know, is if those are the packages php5-ffmpeg installed with it, or if debian is telling me that those are all the packages orphanated, not just by php5-ffmpeg, but by any othe rpackages |
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| 04:50.04 | klync | ok, next question .... i have bluetooth enabled and i've paired with my device (phone) before, but they have a real hard time connecting a lot of the time |
| 04:50.18 | pbase | oh. then apt-get autoclean should do the work |
| 04:51.28 | katsh | thanks |
| 04:51.56 | mentor | nsadmin: Ops are not above reproach. If you feel an op's behaviour is inappropriate, I require you to report it, to an op. directly or in #debian-ops |
| 04:52.07 | mentor | or |
| 04:52.15 | mentor | oops |
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| 04:56.31 | nsadmin | #debian-oops?! |
| 04:56.40 | Infiltrator | Just #oops, I think. |
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| 06:23.33 | choonming | anyone know how to enable logging for nfs-kernel? |
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| 06:23.53 | choonming | i want to see who access which file so debugging purposes |
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| 06:26.36 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:33.42 | nsadmin | maybe "who (meaning IP) accessed what file" is in daemon.log |
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| 06:37.26 | firebalrog | Might be in samba logs |
| 06:37.43 | firebalrog | Sorry you said NSF |
| 06:38.10 | firebalrog | Check the various logs might be in messages |
| 06:38.33 | firebalrog | You. Might need to turn on logging |
| 06:38.43 | firebalrog | See the NSF conf |
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| 06:44.39 | ictxiangxin | hello |
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| 06:45.46 | ictxiangxin | only can use enter to read next line |
| 06:46.00 | ictxiangxin | what's wrong? |
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| 06:53.33 | frankko | Do you guys happen to know how to get higher sound volumes with intel hde pantherpoing (realtek ALC269VC) I have everything maxed in alsamixer as well as gnome-mixer |
| 06:54.35 | peterrooney | frankko: Klipshorns? |
| 06:54.55 | bolt | frankko: an actual amplifier other than your sound card |
| 06:55.39 | bolt | frankko: also, programs like mplayer have a "softvol-max" option to give higher output. likely to clip though |
| 06:56.23 | frankko | indeed but my new laptop has built in speakers and i would prefer to use them |
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| 06:56.42 | frankko | even when watching politics videos and tech demos in flash |
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| 06:57.04 | bolt | softvol. or an equalizer. or something is actually not set at max |
| 06:57.36 | bolt | make sure every option in alsamixer is at max, not just what sounds relevant. could be mapped incorrectly |
| 06:58.47 | frankko | everything is max |
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| 06:59.51 | frankko | i mean it is little more than a whisper |
| 07:00.08 | muhoo | i am about to fucking scream. something in wheezy gnome3 is eating my arrow keys! |
| 07:00.39 | nsadmin | it's gonna get indigestion~ |
| 07:00.49 | muhoo | i can't figure out what it is. looking at all the keybindings, gnome shell, etc, nothing appears to be binding my arrow keys. and yet, whenever i hit an arrow key, some window tiles and expands or moves around |
| 07:00.54 | muhoo | driving me bat shit insane. |
| 07:01.13 | muhoo | no arrow keys, no text editing. no text editing, then really, why am i using a computer in the first place? |
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| 07:01.45 | nsadmin | is your mouse pushed against a surface in such a way that a button is pressed? |
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| 07:02.07 | muhoo | good question. it isn't. nor is there any caps lock or similar key stuck, afaict |
| 07:02.38 | muhoo | i could see Super+arrow doing this, and that'd be useful. |
| 07:02.42 | muhoo | checks xev |
| 07:03.09 | nsadmin | xev is good to check |
| 07:04.03 | muhoo | hahaha, i can't, whenever i hit up or down arrow in xev, the window goes berserk and switches panes |
| 07:04.39 | muhoo | sorry, up and down work, 111 and 116. it's left and right that go crazy. |
| 07:05.24 | muhoo | it's almost as if i'm running xmonad or something, but ps fax says no xmonad |
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| 07:05.37 | muhoo | how can i find out which WM is running? is it gnome-shell? |
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| 07:06.01 | frankko | could it be an pulseaudio issue or would it more likely be a alsa issue? |
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| 07:06.40 | muhoo | yep, it's gnome-shell :-) |
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| 07:07.37 | muhoo | ok, well it looks like i can just blow away gnome-shell and replace it with something saner. problem solved :-) |
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| 07:09.09 | nsadmin | what is gnome shell anyway? |
| 07:09.21 | muhoo | some thing that gets installed by default in wheezy :-) |
| 07:09.29 | muhoo | a gnome3 thing, i think |
| 07:10.11 | muhoo | apt-cache show gnome-shell |
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| 07:12.46 | nsadmin | muhoo, oh, just wondering and curious since you asked and since you appeared to have some additional information and opinions |
| 07:13.43 | nsadmin | it may be that you're looking to go to something besides gnome anyway, so... n/m :) |
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| 07:15.17 | maxxe | nsadmin: does ns stand in your nick stand for netstorm? i remember someone called nsadmin on that nice game =) |
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| 07:15.57 | maxxe | or maybe it was nsworld |
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| 07:20.29 | nsadmin | no, the ns is for naviserv, at one point a company bought by aol and placed under GPL... aol renamed it to aolserver, which is an application server designed to be from its start. |
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| 07:20.53 | maxxe | okay |
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| 07:21.52 | nsadmin | you build a tcl interpreter for it, which it embeds within itself when you build aolserver |
| 07:23.53 | muhoo | ok, i think i found the problem. how to fix it, i don't know |
| 07:24.18 | muhoo | left and right arrows have the correct keycodes. up and down arrows appear not to have them |
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| 07:27.18 | muhoo | nsadmin: aahaha, and the joke is on me, dumbass that i am. i had stupid crap in .Xmodmap, mapping 111/116 to control-r and insert, for whatever reason |
| 07:27.34 | muhoo | smacks head on desk |
| 07:27.47 | muhoo | sorry about the noise |
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| 07:29.09 | nsadmin | it did inspire you to check tho... yes? |
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| 07:33.38 | muhoo | it did. i put that in 10 years ago, i have no idea why |
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| 07:37.06 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 07:45.30 | dreamon_ | having a raspberryPi want him to be a router. Connecting to external Internet by wlan and be connectect by wlan too . What do I need? |
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| 07:46.34 | bolt | dreamon_: a dhcp server and basic knowledge of iptables |
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| 07:47.02 | bolt | dreamon_: or a tool to help you write the correct iptables instructions |
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| 07:50.38 | dreamon_ | bolt, Thank you. I will do so. |
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| 07:55.30 | adrin | Hi there |
| 07:55.48 | adrin | I just installed debian and I have a problem with my internal laptop microphone |
| 07:56.05 | adrin | there are lots of articles out there, but they didn't help me |
| 07:56.20 | adrin | I even installed the new kernel |
| 07:56.31 | adrin | which some people say might help |
| 07:56.44 | adrin | but I still don't have anything on my microphone |
| 07:56.46 | adrin | any ideas? |
| 07:57.04 | bolt | adrin: you need to state which release of debian you' |
| 07:57.14 | adrin | oh |
| 07:57.18 | adrin | wheezy |
| 07:57.21 | adrin | is that it? |
| 07:57.24 | adrin | seems testing |
| 07:57.51 | bolt | adrin: you need to state which release of debian you're on, which microphone you have, how it's connected, what kernel you're on and what you've tried... also, you need to specifically say what your problem with your microphone is, because if it's just that the thing is pink, we can't help you :) |
| 07:58.18 | adrin | ok, this is my uname -a output |
| 07:58.19 | adrin | Linux havij 3.6.0-3.dmz.2-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Tue Oct 23 20:46:18 CDT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:59.08 | adrin | I have a lenovo W520 laptop, with intel audio device, and Nvidia quadro vga card |
| 07:59.50 | adrin | in my /etc/debian_version |
| 07:59.57 | adrin | it is wheezy/sid |
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| 08:01.13 | adrin | and this also might help |
| 08:01.20 | adrin | arecord --list-devices |
| 08:01.21 | adrin | **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** |
| 08:01.21 | adrin | card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog] |
| 08:01.21 | adrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.21 | adrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:02.04 | bolt | !liquorix |
| 08:02.05 | dpkg | Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net. Not to be confused with <Xen>. |
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| 08:02.36 | adrin | well, I can go back to previous one |
| 08:02.42 | adrin | I just read that it might help |
| 08:02.51 | adrin | I was just trying |
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| 08:04.32 | bolt | you are running an unsupported kernel on an unstable release of debian... something is bound to break |
| 08:04.53 | bolt | i would suggest going back to the stock install, and then asking #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:05.00 | adrin | well, I was using the standard one, I can reboot with that and come back |
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| 08:05.51 | adrin | ok, thanks. I'll try |
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| 08:30.43 | sje46 | Once every day or two my computer has a--kernel panic? I'm not sure what that really is--where it just goes to a black screen showing nothing but my cursor, and I hear the last quarter second of whatever i was listening to repeat itself over and over again. I am unable to do anything at all, so I have to cold-reboot. |
| 08:31.01 | sje46 | How do I go about determining the cause of this problem? |
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| 08:32.36 | sje46 | Not a kernel panic, sorry. it happens for no real reason. It doesn't happen when i'm overworking the computer or anything. I'm debian squeeze. |
| 08:33.13 | dgeary2 | sje46, i would start by checking the logs /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
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| 08:35.08 | sje46 | dgeary2: http://pastebin.com/u2cve1dd alreadydid it |
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| 08:37.57 | dgeary2 | sje46, not sure what to make of those. how did you determine what to include? |
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| 08:39.39 | dgeary2 | though it looks like the 'rtl819xSE' driver or the device it is driving is having problems ... not sure if they would be the cause of the lock-ups |
| 08:40.32 | sje46 | dgeary2: i think thats /var/log/syslog, /v/l/messages and /v/l/debug in order |
| 08:40.50 | sje46 | dgeary2: that's my wireless driver, but it says that all the time |
| 08:41.49 | dgeary2 | i've never had much luck with ralink devices... |
| 08:42.40 | sje46 | About 95% of the entires in syslog is that same line, anywhere from 40 times a second to once every 40 seconds |
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| 08:43.02 | sje46 | but I dont think a minute passes where it doesnt write that line to syslog at lease once |
| 08:43.08 | dgeary2 | how did you determine which parts of each log to include? |
| 08:43.39 | sje46 | The time it crashed |
| 08:43.48 | sje46 | I just found where the gap is |
| 08:44.09 | sje46 | There was nearly a minute without any writing to logs at all |
| 08:44.35 | sje46 | more than a minute* |
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| 08:45.05 | sje46 | dgeary2: I have to force the computer to shut down |
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| 08:48.49 | nsadmin | sje46 how do you go about forcing it? |
| 08:49.12 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Pull the power. :) |
| 08:49.32 | sje46 | I hold the power button. |
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| 08:49.45 | nsadmin | oh ok, for that typical 4 secs |
| 08:51.00 | nsadmin | and this is because (put something here) didn't work to shut it down? |
| 08:51.19 | sje46 | nsadmin: ....I don't understand |
| 08:51.29 | sje46 | i was't trying to shut down the computer, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 08:52.06 | nsadmin | trying to get at why it took forcing it in order to shut it down |
| 08:52.35 | sje46 | Because it completely froze up. Shutting it down isn't the issue |
| 08:52.49 | sje46 | the issue is the complete lack of input. |
| 08:52.55 | Infiltrator | sje46: No luck with reisub? |
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| 08:53.08 | sje46 | I'm on a laptop, so I can't do that. |
| 08:53.08 | nsadmin | so you would have never tried to shut it down in any way if it continued to run? |
| 08:53.16 | Infiltrator | sje46: Why not? |
| 08:54.00 | sje46 | Infiltrator: no sysreq key. If you can tell me a way to bypass tht, i would be very grateful |
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| 08:54.20 | sje46 | nsadmin: ...i guess? I'm not sure wht you're asking. |
| 08:54.41 | sje46 | If it didn't freeze, I wouldn't have shut it down unless I wanted to shut it down later. |
| 08:54.53 | nsadmin | got it |
| 08:55.25 | nsadmin | do you have other machines on the same net as this machine? |
| 08:55.58 | sje46 | Errm, on the same wireless router, yes. But besides that, no. |
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| 08:57.01 | nsadmin | some things you can do to test if it's -really- frozen (for future reference): |
| 08:57.08 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.20 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:57.50 | nsadmin | and if the latter works, you may be able to run "reboot" as root |
| 08:58.19 | nsadmin | summary, it could be the gui is frozen but not the whole macnine |
| 08:58.31 | sje46 | i'd have to go into my dad's room for that |
| 08:58.40 | slikts | is there still no php-fpm for squeeze? |
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| 08:58.53 | sje46 | but I'll try it I guess...I'd have to look-up how. |
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| 08:59.12 | sje46 | do you just do ping local.ip.address? |
| 08:59.43 | nsadmin | yes, from a machine on the same local net |
| 08:59.54 | Infiltrator | sje46: It's usually 'Fn + insert' or similar. |
| 08:59.59 | slikts | is there seriously no php5-fpm for stable? |
| 09:00.16 | slikts | (not counting backports) |
| 09:00.20 | sje46 | Infiltrator: it's not on the computer |
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| 09:00.49 | sje46 | ins is the fn function for prt sc |
| 09:01.16 | Infiltrator | sje46: Maybe delete, then? |
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| 09:01.27 | Infiltrator | sje46: Mine is 'fn + delete'. |
| 09:01.45 | sje46 | Infiltrator: There is nothing on the keyboard that says sysreq |
| 09:01.59 | Infiltrator | sje46: Then it's probably the print screen one. |
| 09:02.04 | slikts | I used dotdeb for php5-fpm and now mysql is borked after upgrading |
| 09:02.18 | sje46 | Infiltrator: ...wha? no, that's insert. |
| 09:02.30 | slikts | this is the last straw, I can't use debian if stable packages are so out of date... |
| 09:02.42 | sje46 | are yousaying there *has* to be a Sysreq key? |
| 09:03.21 | slikts | can't wait for years so that stable catches up to recommended practices |
| 09:03.24 | Infiltrator | sje46: I'm saying that sometimes the print screen key will work for sys rq. |
| 09:03.52 | Infiltrator | slikts: Why not use backports? |
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| 09:04.19 | slikts | Infiltrator: I've tried to several times but the build stops with cryptic errors |
| 09:04.24 | sje46 | Infiltrator: I'll definitely try it next time it happens. Thanks! |
| 09:05.16 | sje46 | I'd love to actually fix this problem though |
| 09:05.32 | nsadmin | slikts, why do you need the newest stuff? |
| 09:05.38 | slikts | php-fpm is not even about chasing after shiny things, it's a significant improvement to running php |
| 09:05.49 | slikts | nsadmin: because it works better than the outdated stuff |
| 09:06.21 | nsadmin | is php the only solution to the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 09:06.39 | slikts | yes, the software is written using php |
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| 09:07.07 | nsadmin | and this software serves what purpose? |
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| 09:07.47 | slikts | what are you getting at? you'd like me to migrate data from a bunch of wordpress and similar deployments? |
| 09:08.14 | slikts | with no real benefit, but significant time investment and risk of breakage? |
| 09:09.18 | slikts | it was around this time last year when I ended up using dotdeb because backporting php-fpm didn't work |
| 09:09.25 | slikts | now I check and nothing's changed |
| 09:09.49 | slikts | and dotdeb broke in a way that's seemingly above my head |
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| 09:10.30 | nsadmin | I dunno what's changed if anything about dotdeb, but those packages are known for lack of quality |
| 09:10.49 | nsadmin | you may wish to test your app on a wheezy box |
| 09:10.50 | slikts | yes, as I've found out from experience |
| 09:13.07 | slikts | I guess there's only one good option then |
| 09:13.21 | slikts | and it's not switching to a testing distro, but to a stable one that's not insanely out of date |
| 09:13.38 | nsadmin | and as far as migrating, that's a general fact of life... having said that, you might consider having an additional box that runs a high quality database (like postgres) to see if you prefer its features |
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| 09:16.34 | nsadmin | if you're working for a large company, that may or may not be feasible, unless you can convince them that mysql has almost no user-defined features that can prevent a database to change in a way that breaks it, and that postgres has an extensive set of these kinds of features |
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| 09:23.18 | nachos | hey dudes, im having a problem, im using gnomoe color chooser to try change the color of my icon text but its doing nothing... |
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| 09:23.35 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Your statement was a bit ambiguous; do you mean that mysql is safer than postgresql for keeping a database unbroken? |
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| 09:24.35 | nsadmin | no, that pg is safer, since it has a stable set of features |
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| 09:24.46 | nsadmin | that exist for that purpose |
| 09:25.12 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Ah; so the other way around. Cool. |
| 09:25.24 | nsadmin | sec... |
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| 09:27.25 | nsadmin | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/sql-createtable.html |
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| 09:28.02 | nsadmin | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/ddl-constraints.html |
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| 09:28.16 | nsadmin | (in case you're interested in some of the specifics) |
| 09:28.49 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: I am; so thank you. :) |
| 09:29.51 | nsadmin | I took the liberty of making sure those links are relative to pg-9.1 |
| 09:31.08 | nachos | What version of gnome does gnome color chooser work with |
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| 09:40.19 | lukas` | Hello, I see wheezy is frozen but I have not found any information n when it is expected to be released on debian.org ... Is there any plan or testimation? |
| 09:40.22 | Xtreme | guys how to check screen resolution? |
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| 09:41.19 | lukas` | Xtreme: easily in Gnome or KDE configuration tools ... possibly in Xorg log |
| 09:41.39 | Xtreme | lukas`, can you give guidelines please? |
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| 09:42.02 | lukas` | Xtreme: what desktop manager are you using? |
| 09:42.06 | Xtreme | Gnome |
| 09:42.08 | Xtreme | 2 |
| 09:42.08 | Xtreme | 3 |
| 09:42.14 | Xtreme | gnome 3* |
| 09:42.27 | simonlnu | !xrandr |
| 09:42.28 | dpkg | i heard xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 09:42.46 | simonlnu | and also find res |
| 09:42.54 | lukas` | Xtreme: try what simonlnu proposes |
| 09:43.30 | Xtreme | gnome doesnt have anything in it?? damn it sucks |
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| 09:43.59 | lukas` | Xtreme: It has ... Alt+F2, search for settings |
| 09:44.10 | Infiltrator | lukas`: When it's ready, basically. :) |
| 09:44.11 | lukas` | Xtreme: ... and there should be a display settings |
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| 09:44.41 | nachos_ | Hey, for some reason when i use gnome color chooser, it doesnt apply my settings. |
| 09:44.44 | Xtreme | likas, comand not found. |
| 09:44.47 | lukas` | Infiltrator: well I get I will have no reliable answer but I need at least an estimation |
| 09:44.54 | simonlnu | it does.. gnome-display-settings or something. xrandr is faster |
| 09:45.01 | simonlnu | !installit |
| 09:45.01 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 09:46.05 | lukas` | Infiltrator: I have at about 30 servers on lenny and I am planning an upgrade ... so I am thinking of upgrading to wheezy instead of squeeze |
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| 09:46.38 | simonlnu | ,find bin/xrandr |
| 09:46.44 | judd | Search for bin/xrandr in squeeze/i386: x11-xserver-utils: usr/bin/xrandr |
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| 09:47.02 | Infiltrator | lukas`: Try asking in #debian-next. |
| 09:47.07 | specing | lukas`: ehehe, you're in to some turbulent waters, are you? :P |
| 09:47.16 | Infiltrator | lukas`: Also, I'm not sure if jumping that far is recommended. |
| 09:48.01 | lukas` | Infiltrator: well, I will go step by step, but if I plan an upgrade for 1 day and cut off all the servers and after a month I do it again, I will look like an idiot |
| 09:48.04 | simonlnu | nachos_: depends on having something like gnome-settings-daemon running for it to "kick in" right away. otherwise, restart apps. |
| 09:48.13 | lukas` | specing: what do you mean? |
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| 09:48.30 | nachos_ | simonlnu: its the desktop icon text color |
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| 09:48.40 | nachos_ | simonlnu: i log out and restart gnome and nothing happens. |
| 09:49.07 | Xtreme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.16 | Xtreme | okay.. this is what xrandr shows |
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| 09:49.25 | simonlnu | you have a custom ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 09:49.33 | themill | lukas`: wheezy isn't a great plan for servers until it has security support. You *must* go via squeeze rather than trying to go straight to wheezy |
| 09:49.43 | lukas` | Xtreme: one more option - if you have nVidia drivers, you can use their tools |
| 09:49.44 | simonlnu | Xtreme: see? easy ;) |
| 09:50.18 | Xtreme | simonlnu, is cool :) how to add more resolutions in it? i can only see three in the list |
| 09:50.34 | simonlnu | nachos_: iirc it makes an alternate one, and does an #include of it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 09:50.36 | lukas` | themill: yes, I know, I just do not want to repeat that early after upgrade |
| 09:50.47 | simonlnu | Xtreme: you can set it via the tool |
| 09:51.32 | nachos_ | simonlnu: its strange it doesnt get applied i dunno why |
| 09:51.39 | simonlnu | Xtreme: it won't stay; if you want that to stay, either put that command you want in ~/.xsession, or put an xorg.conf snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 09:52.28 | themill | lukas`: sounds like you should have done lenny->squeeze 18 months ago then :) |
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| 09:52.44 | simonlnu | nachos_: did you click save or whatever? it's a little finicky as i recall (i haven't used it in a long while) |
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| 09:52.51 | Xtreme | xorg.conf.d doesnt exist |
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| 09:52.58 | nachos_ | yeah i did simonlnu |
| 09:53.14 | simonlnu | Xtreme: it's called mkdir ;) |
| 09:53.27 | Xtreme | lol. :) |
| 09:53.48 | simonlnu | :). it does check there if it's there |
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| 09:54.23 | nachos_ | lol there is a save button |
| 09:54.25 | nachos_ | BRB! |
| 09:54.58 | nachos_ | still not working... fek |
| 09:55.00 | nachos_ | this is shiz |
| 09:55.35 | lukas` | themill: well, some applications we need did not worked well by that time, so after some time spent by trying to make it working, I decided not to upgrade all the server |
| 09:55.47 | lukas` | ... servers |
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| 09:56.20 | simonlnu | nachos_: try pkilling gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 09:56.44 | nachos_ | nothing simonlnu |
| 09:56.53 | themill | lukas`: I guess if you've been running lenny machines without security support for 8 months then upgrading right now to wheezy where you will get (slightly delayed) security updates is an improvement and you should do it |
| 09:56.56 | lukas` | themill: ... I know I could have used backports but there were also some issues with kernel settings and irq distribution which I did not know previously |
| 09:57.40 | nsadmin | why not squeeze? it |
| 09:57.43 | simonlnu | nachos_: *shrug*. it does work, i know it does. maybe your theme is gtk3? |
| 09:57.45 | nsadmin | s a server right? |
| 09:58.07 | themill | nsadmin: we've just had that conversation |
| 09:58.16 | nsadmin | on the other hand what has you sticking to lenny? |
| 09:58.44 | lukas` | themill: well, security is not a problem, these servers are running in strictly limited environment and do not contain sensitive data ... but I am still in doubt to go with testing since I can not afford loosing too much time going back |
| 09:59.28 | themill | lukas`: wheezy is going to be released in a few months' time without many changes compared to what it currently looks like. You would, of course, be testing this out before doing it to all 30 anyway. |
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| 10:01.15 | lukas` | themill: yes, that is why I ask ... I have experience that not everything can be detected by testing on few machines ... we have quite high need for performance |
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| 10:02.10 | themill | well you can assume that you're going to use wheezy eventually and it's easier to fix thing prior to release than after. Wheezy will only be as good as the testing it gets |
| 10:02.35 | lukas` | themill: that is of course true |
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| 10:03.00 | Xtreme | ghost@Ghost:/etc/X11$ xrandr --addmode LVDS1 "1920x1080_60.00" |
| 10:03.01 | Xtreme | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 10:03.01 | Xtreme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.00 | simonlnu | Xtreme: like lukas` said, try the nvidia utils. they do stuff differently for some things... |
| 10:04.17 | Xtreme | simonlnu, i am having a shitty intel graphics |
| 10:04.31 | simonlnu | ah nm then |
| 10:05.04 | lukas` | Xtreme: how about gnome-diplay-settings |
| 10:05.35 | Xtreme | luckman212, command not found.. then i searched synaptic, no package with that name |
| 10:06.05 | nachos_ | simonlnu: i think its because color chooser is for gtk2 and gnome its gtk3 |
| 10:06.19 | nachos_ | anyone know of a gtk3 equivilent? |
| 10:06.52 | lukas` | themill: but my needs are slightly unusual ... practically I need big networking throughput unlimited by e.g. interrupt handling overloading the first core (lenny -> squeeze), support of very high number of IP addresses and reliable wine (yes, we have to run some windows applications although we tried to reimplement that) |
| 10:06.55 | boudiccas | Xtreme, pease dont swear, its not necessary |
| 10:07.12 | Xtreme | boudiccas, ? |
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| 10:07.34 | Xtreme | when did i swear? |
| 10:07.43 | boudiccas | Xtreme, you said .. [11:04:17] <Xtreme> simonlnu, i am having a shitty intel graphics |
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| 10:07.55 | JyZyXEL | whats a good way to try read CPU temperature? |
| 10:08.14 | lukas` | themill: I am not sure if bug reports about such rare scenarios will be likely to be corrected |
| 10:08.19 | Xtreme | boudiccas, realy? u call that swearging? |
| 10:08.25 | Xtreme | swearing* |
| 10:08.34 | Xtreme | man you should be here when i am really pissed off |
| 10:08.35 | nsadmin | lukas`, interrupts are meant to handle things faster and out of the way of mainline processing |
| 10:08.36 | boudiccas | Xtreme, yes |
| 10:08.39 | lukas` | themill: anyway, it is funny how many servers do not work correctly or crash if you have many addresses |
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| 10:09.23 | nsadmin | there's not a language rule here as far as I remember |
| 10:09.29 | lukas` | nsadmin: right, but in lenny kernel, their processing was distributed over all cores, in squeeze I had to run irqbalance to achieve that |
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| 10:10.00 | lukas` | nsadmin: ... one of the things that was not seen when doing tests with few machines |
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| 10:11.02 | nsadmin | a modern cpu is much faster than network stuff |
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| 10:11.46 | JyZyXEL | lm_sensors is such a useless thing |
| 10:11.54 | JyZyXEL | i've NEVER seen it output ANYTHING useful |
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| 10:13.12 | safridzal | JyZyXEL: why?? it works just fine on my machine?? typing sensors and i'll get the cpu and gpu temp |
| 10:13.16 | simonlnu | maybe pebkac or unsupported hardware |
| 10:13.21 | lukas` | nsadmin: well, imagine you want to generate many messages - I mean thousands messages on application protocol level from multithreaded application on TCP (so SYNs, ACKs etc) then you will kmay run into problems with first CPU being overloaded while others are not at their limits - a bottleneck (without irqbalance) |
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| 10:13.31 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, please no trolling this year |
| 10:13.33 | JyZyXEL | it works on none of my machines |
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| 10:13.54 | simonlnu | sounds like pebkac |
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| 10:14.12 | safridzal | and i get critical temp also.. whats the output on sensors on yours? |
| 10:14.24 | lukas` | nsadmin: yes, and another factor is that you do it on several thousands of addresses |
| 10:14.46 | simonlnu | p4, runs hot just looking at it ;p |
| 10:15.02 | JyZyXEL | simonlnu: http://pastebin.com/L1WwL5wX |
| 10:15.19 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, please get some basic learning and research done so you can participate in a conversion with something more participatory than "please help me do it" or "linux sux so you should help me do it" |
| 10:15.20 | JyZyXEL | none of the themperatures are correct, and the voltages make no sense |
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| 10:15.49 | simonlnu | then you need to make a conf for the chip(s) |
| 10:16.00 | simonlnu | sensors-detect |
| 10:16.06 | JyZyXEL | i've run it, i always do |
| 10:16.15 | simonlnu | like i said, pebkac |
| 10:16.21 | JyZyXEL | and modprobe the modules it asks for |
| 10:16.38 | nsadmin | I think it's closer to the chair! |
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| 10:17.57 | slikts | what's happened to cdn.debian.net? it doesn't resolve anymore |
| 10:18.09 | lukas` | One more question to the public ... is there any official documentation about how to make reliable Debian package (and use the supporting tools)? I was doing that a long time ago and I remember I spent too much time going through deprecated docs |
| 10:18.13 | JyZyXEL | so i guess every parameter needs some manual configuration |
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| 10:19.05 | themill | slikts: I'd probably recommend http.debian.net instead anyway these days. (I don't know what's happened to cdn.d.n) |
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| 10:19.55 | nsadmin | if it doesn't even resolve, someone has done something specific to the auth config |
| 10:20.00 | slikts | themill: thanks, I just switched to http and that works |
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| 10:20.08 | lukas` | is the http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian okay? |
| 10:20.22 | nachos_ | I got it simonlnu, had to manually hack the friggin theme |
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| 10:21.21 | nemuke | Hi. Does iceweasel (as of latest Wheezy beta release) support HTML5 video (Youtube, Dailymotion in particular)? |
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| 10:23.18 | JyZyXEL | Check your /etc/sensors3.conf and find section, use "set sensorX Y" statement to change the diode to thermistor. |
| 10:23.34 | JyZyXEL | my sensors3.conf has no "set sensor" |
| 10:23.45 | JyZyXEL | can someone check if they have any, so i can get the syntax |
| 10:24.40 | nsadmin | so after all these years there is not a man page in sect 5 on sensors.conf? |
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| 10:25.40 | lukas` | JyZyXEL: is there an example in /usr/share/doc ? |
| 10:25.41 | JyZyXEL | that will do too |
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| 10:28.37 | simonlnu | nachos_: ah, damn :/ |
| 10:28.58 | lukas` | thanks, I have it |
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| 10:29.36 | simonlnu | nemuke: about:config; type in html5 |
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| 10:30.25 | Bladerunner05 | hello on my debian squeeze I add 2TB WD disk used cfdisk to create 2TB partition, when I run fdisk /dev/sdb it say: The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O) size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted. |
| 10:30.26 | JyZyXEL | i guess i could mail intel asking for details on how they are using the chip |
| 10:30.27 | nemuke | simonlnu: I'm still on console (no xorg, just installed wheezy). |
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| 10:30.59 | Bladerunner05 | please suggest me the best way to get high performances from 2TB disk |
| 10:32.10 | simonlnu | nemuke: you have to enable it explicitly |
| 10:32.27 | JyZyXEL | Driver `coretemp': * Chip `Intel Atom thermal sensor' (confidence: 9) |
| 10:32.37 | JyZyXEL | i guess i could trust the output of that driver though? |
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| 10:33.31 | nemuke | simonlnu: thank you. I'll try. |
| 10:34.41 | nsadmin | Bladerunner05, first make sure you are not depending on any part of the drive now |
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| 10:35.07 | nsadmin | (that is, you have no partitions defined where you have data on it that's not backed up_ |
| 10:35.09 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 10:35.26 | Bladerunner05 | nsadmin: is a new disk not yet formatted |
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| 10:35.40 | simonlnu | JyZyXEL: if that's what you have. /etc/sensors.conf (or sensors3.conf) has a whole bunch of chips in it. take the relevant snippet and put it in /etc/sensors.d/ |
| 10:36.13 | JyZyXEL | but im assuming a driver like that would simply work out of the box? |
| 10:36.35 | nsadmin | Bladerunner05, ok, next, determine the partition table type. is it msdos or gpt? |
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| 10:36.56 | Bladerunner05 | nsadmin: how can I check it ? |
| 10:37.32 | nsadmin | dunno. someone here might know. once you do that, determine the physical sector size. |
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| 10:40.43 | boudiccas | nsadmin, wont gparted tell the partition type? |
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| 10:41.27 | nsadmin | good pt, thanks... I do have a 2 tb drive, pretty sure it has msdos and so nothing special |
| 10:41.57 | nsadmin | Bladerunner05, try running gparted (it's a gui app) on the drive |
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| 10:59.20 | mczhb | hi. is there a tool (headless/daemon mode prefered) to watch a folder and trigger an action (send file via email) on debian? |
| 10:59.48 | blackshirt | mczhb, what you mean ? |
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| 11:00.03 | blackshirt | you mean notify ? |
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| 11:00.22 | blackshirt | !find inotify |
| 11:00.51 | jmd | mczhb, I would simply do a cron job. |
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| 11:01.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'inotify' (6 of 46): (/usr/share/compiz/inotify.xml) in x11/compiz-core ;; (/usr/include/iv_inotify.h) in libdevel/libivykis-dev ;; (/usr/lib/compiz/libinotify.so) in x11/compiz-plugins ;; (/usr/include/linux/inotify.h) in devel/linux-libc-dev ;; (/usr/include/sys/inotify.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev-amd64 ;; (/usr/include/diet/sys/inotify.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev. |
| 11:02.00 | mczhb | jmd: cron job, which checks, sends and moves the file? |
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| 11:02.21 | jmd | mczhb, If that's what you want, yes. |
| 11:02.38 | blackshirt | inotify framework |
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| 11:03.13 | mczhb | blackshirt: ill have a look |
| 11:03.22 | blubberdiblub | inotify-tools |
| 11:03.23 | jmd | mczhb, There are other solutions (like blackshirt) keeps pestering us with. But I think simple is best. |
| 11:03.27 | frikinz | ,v incron |
| 11:03.28 | judd | Package: incron on i386 -- lenny: 0.5.7-1; squeeze: 0.5.9-5; sid: 0.5.10-1; wheezy: 0.5.10-1 |
| 11:04.55 | frikinz | mczhb: ^ |
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| 11:05.43 | blackshirt | maybe some best alternative for your problems, but, it was hard if you don't trying to read and do |
| 11:06.18 | blackshirt | .v openstack |
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| 11:07.35 | blackshirt | !find openstack |
| 11:07.37 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'openstack' (5): munin-plugins-openstack ;; nagios-plugins-openstack ;; openstack-dashboard ;; openstack-dashboard-apache ;; python-openstack-common. |
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| 11:13.26 | nsadmin | Bladerunner05, what did you find out |
| 11:15.18 | jmd | Something is setting my xmodmap when I login, which I don't want. How can I find out what it is, and stop it happening? |
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| 11:17.16 | frikinz | jmd: temporarily rename xmodmap by _xmodmap and create a xmodmap bash script that echoes $* to /tmp/foo ? |
| 11:18.15 | jmd | frikinz, You mean /usr/bin/xmodmap or something else? |
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| 11:21.56 | frikinz | jmd: yes, xmodmap binary. that's one general way to know who and how xmodmap is called. also include maybe ps -ef in the output |
| 11:22.39 | jmd | ok. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try it. |
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| 11:35.03 | Ciprianfr | hi everyone. is there anyother miror for the web installer ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/WebInstaller ) ...http://nausicaa.polito.it/~attilio/debian/web_frontend/web/ is down |
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| 11:39.54 | daniel-s | hi |
| 11:40.03 | daniel-s | I have a problem with the networking on my laptop |
| 11:40.16 | daniel-s | I installed network manager a while ago and now networking is barely working |
| 11:40.31 | daniel-s | wireless keeps reconnecting every 30 seconds |
| 11:40.57 | daniel-s | tethoring with my phone, via usb, either through wifi or 3G are both really bad |
| 11:41.10 | daniel-s | most websites don't work while some experience no problems |
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| 11:41.16 | daniel-s | has anyone experienced anything like this? |
| 11:41.57 | specing | network manager is crap |
| 11:42.01 | specing | use wicd |
| 11:42.03 | jmd | I think I did. So I just uninstalled network manager and manage it myself. |
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| 11:43.20 | frikinz_xm | either network manager or manual conf worked fine for me |
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| 11:53.48 | Ciprianfr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:03.14 | pipozzo | ciao buongiorno |
| 12:03.18 | pipozzo | !list |
| 12:03.18 | dpkg | pipozzo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 12:07.23 | bolt | !it |
| 12:07.24 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:08.03 | bolt | what would !list do anyway? give you a list of irc bots serving warez? |
| 12:08.13 | daniel-s | Hi |
| 12:08.27 | daniel-s | regarding the comments I was making just before about really horrible network problems |
| 12:08.28 | bolt | EHLO bolt |
| 12:08.38 | daniel-s | the offending package was peer guardian linux |
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| 12:09.32 | bolt | peer guardian? |
| 12:09.47 | bolt | only guardian i can find in the repo is "dansguardian" |
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| 12:10.35 | daniel-s | http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:10.59 | zinx | there is a reason #debian doesn't support third-party repositories / packages :P |
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| 12:11.43 | daniel-s | lol |
| 12:11.47 | bolt | newsflash: third party stuff may screw up your system :) |
| 12:11.53 | daniel-s | well, I may in fact be wrong about the cause |
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| 12:16.04 | anoob | I've installed TimeDoctor (http://www.timedoctor.com/download.html, the Ubuntu one that used to work fine). But when I run it I get: http://pastebin.com/pN8Y1Ak8 |
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| 12:17.01 | bolt | anoob: third party packages are not supported here |
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| 12:17.27 | bolt | try their forum or channel |
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| 12:25.08 | ag4ve | if i see the "D-Bus library" listed as a dependency, which package do i want? |
| 12:25.20 | ag4ve | i'm getting a config error: configure: error: D-Bus >= 1.4 is required |
| 12:26.02 | ag4ve | i've installed libdbus-1-dev and libdbus-glib-1-dev and neither seem to work |
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| 12:28.31 | bolt | ag4ve: check configure.am. see which check prints that message |
| 12:28.40 | frikinz_xm | dependency or Build dependency? -dev are usually build dep |
| 12:29.06 | bolt | if it comes from configure, i'd assume he's building something |
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| 12:29.26 | ag4ve | right, trying to build bluez |
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| 12:29.53 | bolt | anything wrong with the packaged one? |
| 12:30.08 | bolt | or aptitude build-dep bluez? |
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| 12:30.59 | nsadmin | anoob, also note you're trying to use a package that's meant for ubuntu, not debian. the most success you can get is install this package on the version of ubuntu recommended by the timedoctor folks. if there is not an indication of which ubuntu version, you should have a conversation with the timedoctor people to find out. |
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| 12:31.40 | ag4ve | bolt: running deb stable and want to play |
| 12:31.48 | nsadmin | what is very likely to -not- work is to try installing it on debian |
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| 12:32.32 | bolt | ag4ve: if you want to play, then play. start by checking configure.am |
| 12:34.24 | Mogget | I started a copy process with the command "cp -v -R ...". Somehow i managed to kill the terminal that this command was running in, but the cp process is still alive if I look in top. |
| 12:34.41 | Mogget | Screen is not running so any ideas why the cp process didnt die? |
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| 12:35.02 | bolt | as long as it doesn't try to write any output or read input, it probably would be |
| 12:36.16 | bolt | when the terminal dies, the program gets a sighup. it doesn't have to do anything with this signal |
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| 12:36.55 | ag4ve | Mogget: nfs? |
| 12:36.58 | bolt | as long as it doesn't require any of the now dead file descriptors to do its work, nothing is going to stop it from continuing |
| 12:37.02 | Mogget | ag4ve: sshfs |
| 12:37.50 | Mogget | I am copying from my old harddrive which I have installed in my desktop to my new laptop. The whole thing is done with folders mounted with sshfs |
| 12:37.53 | ag4ve | i've seen cp into nfs not be very nice when you loose connection. i think sshfs is fuse so that shouldn't be an issue, but... |
| 12:38.26 | bolt | i... don't see the problem |
| 12:38.39 | bolt | the copy still runs. this is not good? |
| 12:38.56 | Mogget | This is good, I just didn't understand why it was dying and got curious |
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| 12:39.05 | Mogget | was not dying. |
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| 12:39.28 | bolt | sleep 2000 & disown |
| 12:39.30 | bolt | close terminal |
| 12:39.31 | bolt | open |
| 12:39.32 | bolt | sleep runs |
| 12:39.54 | ag4ve | /proc/$$/status should let you know (or is it state) |
| 12:40.12 | bolt | it doesn't die when it doesn't need the file descriptors (stdin, out, err) and doesn't react to sighup |
| 12:40.24 | Mogget | It finished copying the 180 GiB now so its too late. Thanks for taking the time though. |
| 12:42.17 | ag4ve | *shrug* process handling and signals are fun - like killing a dd with -USR1 and other little things like that |
| 12:42.45 | ag4ve | one of these days, i need to grep coreutils for all of the signals and see what else i can find there |
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| 12:43.54 | Mogget | ag4ve: sorry for being a dick but what does -USR1 do? |
| 12:44.11 | nsadmin | or just remember to run stuff in a screen :) |
| 12:44.20 | frikinz_xm | usr1 to dd shows the progress of dd |
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| 12:44.30 | Mogget | nice |
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| 12:45.18 | nsadmin | Mogget more generally look into "signals", look for the ones that can be redirected, and the one that can't |
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| 12:46.16 | Mogget | nsadmin: in what context are you talking about now? |
| 12:46.20 | ag4ve | iirc kill man page shows which signals /must/ be handled and which are application specific |
| 12:47.10 | nsadmin | USR1 is a signal |
| 12:47.29 | ag4ve | but, actually i don't think the signals that it says /must/ be handled are exactly a *must* - they can be trapped with signals.h and discarded |
| 12:47.41 | bolt | man kill, people |
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| 12:48.19 | nsadmin | man kill people??!! |
| 12:48.20 | ag4ve | the signals that kill says are handled are more like good practice - ie don't use an app that decides to trap those signals :) |
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| 12:48.40 | bolt | nsadmin: man kills many people |
| 12:48.57 | nsadmin | oh, so more than 2... |
| 12:49.02 | xingu | ag4ve: try trapping SIGKILL, see how far you get. :) |
| 12:49.12 | bolt | also, man kill describes signals and refers you to man signals :) |
| 12:49.24 | ag4ve | you used to be able to |
| 12:49.27 | bolt | man 7 signal, to be specific |
| 12:49.29 | nsadmin | you can't trap sigkill... that's the only one tho |
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| 12:49.43 | xingu | signal(2) is one of those abominations like ioctl(2) that ought to be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
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| 12:51.48 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there , i have intel vga here , i945 chipset , and i don't know why i have a very reduced performance on this system ... though it was running very well before on debian and other distros ... i checked that "direct rendering: yes" ... any help please ? |
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| 12:53.19 | ag4ve | http://sourceware.org/systemtap/examples/process/sigkill.stp |
| 12:53.35 | ag4ve | oh, trapping sigkill... |
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| 12:54.44 | nsadmin | it's a sidepoint, that the design is that sigkill ia not possible |
| 12:55.21 | ag4ve | come again? |
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| 12:56.01 | nsadmin | never mind, it must have been a converstion you were not part of nor have any info about |
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| 12:56.51 | Mogget | Why does not dd have a verbose setting so that people can get this data wihtout having to know this "magical" kill -USR1 pid |
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| 12:57.14 | Mogget | thanks for the tip by the way. Now I don't have to wait in vain any more |
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| 12:59.35 | ag4ve | it wasn't written like that. i guess they could have a ticks=file and tick_time or whatever, but what if i want my of to be the console |
| 13:00.01 | ag4ve | iirc, copy has a hash mark option and you can cp <file> > /device |
| 13:00.06 | xingu | if only there were some sort of documentation or user manual you could look up |
| 13:00.54 | nsadmin | then you shouldn't need an of=foo, and a progress indicator wouldn't make sense unless you can control the term it goes to |
| 13:01.17 | ag4ve | oh yeah, and it's in the fucking man page ... how quaint :) |
| 13:01.53 | nully | ag4ve: I'm pretty sure cp does not allow for block level copies to a device with out a filesystem mounted. |
| 13:01.58 | dwatkins | Mogget: if you know the size you should be able to pipe through 'pv' for progress, but I agree it would be handy to see this in dd. |
| 13:02.01 | nully | It's a highlevel tool. |
| 13:02.08 | gnarface | nully: you're pretty fuckin wrong |
| 13:02.37 | gnarface | nully: this is gnu cp were're talking about here not solaris cp motherfucking 1992. we've evolved a bit. |
| 13:03.03 | nully | Right i said `pretty sure' |
| 13:03.09 | nully | not `i am saying i am right' |
| 13:03.12 | nully | Please do prove me wrong |
| 13:03.34 | nully | gnarface: Also, no need to cuss at me, I was honestly curious if there was away. |
| 13:03.38 | gnarface | nully: i'll give you that its not something you'd expect cp to be capable of. it would follow that it'd just overwrite the device node with the file |
| 13:03.39 | nully | *a way |
| 13:03.42 | ag4ve | yeah, i can't find where it's documented, but i've done something like it before |
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| 13:03.52 | nully | I dont see it documented in teh man page |
| 13:03.54 | nully | THat's why i said it |
| 13:04.11 | Mogget | dwatkins: dd is a wonderfull tool and I use it all the time and it has anoyed me that I was not able to get regular updates of statistics. Now I can atleast see it when I want :D |
| 13:04.25 | nully | gnarface: Could you please provide a source for your random cursings? |
| 13:04.56 | nully | I mean the cp option for copying at the block level? I'd like to know how to do that. |
| 13:04.56 | ag4ve | nully: btw, i'm talking about putting images on devices here. so idk what cp <dir> > /device would do |
| 13:05.03 | xingu | cp doesn't let you specify block size, which is a problem if your target requires specific alignment, or the copy is not an exact multiple of BUFSIZE |
| 13:05.08 | xingu | BUFSIZ |
| 13:05.16 | nully | like cp some_dd_file >/dev/blah? |
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| 13:05.35 | xingu | cue the proverbial scenario of doom with say iso9660fs |
| 13:05.49 | ag4ve | :) |
| 13:05.57 | nsadmin | nully, does cp output something to stdout? |
| 13:06.07 | nully | i didnt think so |
| 13:06.11 | nully | that's why i asked about it |
| 13:06.23 | nully | I'm just asking what other people are talking about ;) |
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| 13:06.44 | nsadmin | so cp x > y (1) doesn't make sense and (2) is a syntax error |
| 13:06.51 | nully | well ya, it wouldnt |
| 13:06.55 | nully | because its not valid syntax |
| 13:07.01 | nully | and i don tsee anything in the man page about using a block device |
| 13:07.05 | ag4ve | and it seems i was wrong about cp doing progress hash |
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| 13:07.33 | nully | nsadmin: dont tell me this, tell this to gnarface. Hes the one who cursed at me it was possible =P |
| 13:07.48 | xingu | nully: try cp /etc/hosts /dev/stdout |
| 13:07.53 | xingu | grins evilly |
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| 13:09.04 | ag4ve | i did something similar to that the other day and it took me a few seconds to realize why my machine was crawling |
| 13:09.07 | nsadmin | nully, so if cp x > y is invalid, it's partially because we can remove the redirection, to produce cp x |
| 13:09.18 | gnarface | nully: i said you can copy to block devices at the block level, just like ag4ve. wtf are you saying i said now? |
| 13:09.38 | gnarface | nully: you can cp [file] /dev/[harddrive] |
| 13:09.40 | gnarface | that works |
| 13:09.51 | gnarface | it will overwrite your filesystem, but it will not overwrite the dev node |
| 13:09.52 | xingu | cp isn't using block layer semantics, it's using stdio |
| 13:09.58 | nully | Okay, you guys can get your penis's out of my face. I was just asking if it was possible because i did not see it in the man page. |
| 13:10.02 | xingu | hence the BUFSIZ problem. |
| 13:10.10 | xingu | hence why using cp on block devices is a bad idea |
| 13:10.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i change my accelmethod in debian stable ? |
| 13:10.15 | nully | THank you for clearing up my simple questoin, and being a dick about it at the same time. |
| 13:10.38 | ag4ve | weird, i can't get cp to do that.... how the hell did i do something like that..... |
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| 13:11.48 | gnarface | --copy-contents? |
| 13:11.51 | ag4ve | i swear i did something like that with cp to a device before but now i can't get it to work |
| 13:12.08 | gnarface | ag4ve: you gotta have write access to the device as that user |
| 13:12.18 | gnarface | ag4ve: cp [iso file] /dev/sdb works for me |
| 13:12.39 | gnarface | i think i even successfully burned a cd that way once |
| 13:12.44 | gnarface | over usb no less |
| 13:13.08 | gnarface | cdrecord is nice though |
| 13:13.35 | gnarface | supposedly with --copy-contents you can recurse into device nodes too but i've never tried it |
| 13:13.48 | ag4ve | oh, yeah ok --copy-contents works |
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| 13:15.00 | ag4ve | ok, yeah, just cp file dev works |
| 13:15.26 | ag4ve | no idea why i'm still looking at this, as a few people have implied, it's not very good :) |
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| 13:18.33 | gnarface | the only thing i feel is important for everyone to take away from it is merely that you don't have to figure out dd to get a live image onto a usb key. you really can just cp it to the dev node. |
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| 13:19.06 | gnarface | it will overwrite the filesystem with the image node as you'd want |
| 13:19.21 | apm1 | gnarface, though "dd" works :) |
| 13:19.30 | ag4ve | yeah, that's why it was pointed out to me a number of years ago. but i hadn't used it since... |
| 13:19.53 | gnarface | well i have to agree that dd could use better progress meters but otherwise its solid, if a bit archaic... |
| 13:20.09 | ag4ve | apm1: dd isn't very user friendly when you're new |
| 13:20.43 | gnarface | its counter intuitive and it uses a very non-gnu style syntax, yes |
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| 13:20.58 | gnarface | the command line options are definitely a relic of an earlier time |
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| 13:21.09 | gnarface | but i find that comforting where many users find it abrasive |
| 13:21.20 | apm1 | ag4ve, sudo dd if =/replace/with/path/to/.iso of = dev/sdb |
| 13:21.23 | pclov3r | How would you go about installing the latest nvidia proprietary drivers? |
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| 13:21.31 | jelly-home | you want a progress bar, use dd_rescue or pv |
| 13:21.43 | ag4ve | i have no idea what spaces would do there... |
| 13:21.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell pclov3r about nvidia dkms |
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| 13:22.52 | jelly-home | pclov3r: you probably won't get the latest tho |
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| 13:22.57 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 13:22.59 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.60-1; experimental/non-free: 310.14-1 |
| 13:23.02 | EasyAsPie | <3 |
| 13:23.25 | gnarface | actually in sid it is the latest one currently |
| 13:23.29 | pclov3r | Ins't latest |
| 13:23.33 | gnarface | no? |
| 13:23.38 | apm1 | the reason i love "dd" is because "if-of" get the pun ? :) |
| 13:23.56 | pclov3r | I want to use the nvidia download |
| 13:24.23 | gnarface | then ... do, but you should be advised you probably are causing yourself a lot of unnecessary pain |
| 13:24.27 | apm1 | pclov3r, god help you with the downloaded driver from nvidia's site :p |
| 13:24.28 | pclov3r | they have 304.60 drivers |
| 13:24.32 | ^6 | this looks interesting http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/sdd.html |
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| 13:24.44 | ^6 | i haven't found a syntax description yet... |
| 13:24.48 | pclov3r | Well i'm going to upgrade my card soon as well |
| 13:24.56 | pclov3r | and i doubt the 195 driers have support for it |
| 13:25.09 | apm1 | pclov3r, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:25.16 | ag4ve | pclov3r: i use debian stable and git repos for most things. do you know how much easier it would be to just stick with packages? |
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| 13:25.45 | gnarface | pclov3r: why do you think you need newer than 304.60? |
| 13:25.50 | apm1 | ag4ve, did "dd" work out for you ? |
| 13:26.06 | pclov3r | How can I tell If those drivers will support a newer ivdeo card |
| 13:26.26 | gnarface | apm1: actually i don't get the pun? its just an abbreviation for input file / output file, isn't it? |
| 13:26.29 | pclov3r | i have nvidia 195 drivers atm |
| 13:26.33 | ag4ve | apm1: i'll have to set up a vm if i want to try with the spaces |
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| 13:26.39 | ag4ve | i don't trust that |
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| 13:27.09 | apm1 | pclov3r, read the wiki page , all your questions have been answered in it |
| 13:27.34 | nsadmin | ^6, syntax of what? |
| 13:27.38 | apm1 | ag4ve, well i always use spaces never hurt mine |
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| 13:28.15 | apm1 | gnarface, it's a refrence to "seesaw " it's a word hack :) |
| 13:28.22 | ^6 | that "sdd" utility i just found when i googled for "dd replacement" |
| 13:28.28 | ag4ve | didn't know that... figured dd might try to find the device that ./ is on like df . does |
| 13:28.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 13:28.59 | pclov3r | Yep as i thought. The card i want will not be supported by the debian packaged drivers |
| 13:29.31 | pclov3r | What choices do i have? |
| 13:29.35 | gnarface | apm1: in a language other than english or something? i still don't get it. |
| 13:29.57 | apm1 | pclov3r, if you need bleeding edge use sid that's your best bet |
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| 13:30.27 | themill | or use backported drivers |
| 13:30.37 | pclov3r | that's a good idea |
| 13:31.02 | apm1 | gnarface, up down , flip flop , if of ? rings a bell ? :p |
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| 13:31.16 | pclov3r | going to need some pretty recent drivers tho |
| 13:31.35 | ag4ve | you can also (try to) pin the package so that the rest of your system might stay testing and just bring in the bleeding video stuff |
| 13:31.50 | gnarface | apm1: hah no but its ok i give up |
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| 13:32.11 | jelly-home | pclov3r: does 295.59 not support your card? |
| 13:32.19 | apm1 | gnarface, welcome to hardcore *nix land my good sir :) |
| 13:32.26 | pclov3r | Let me check |
| 13:32.38 | jelly-home | pclov3r: is your card too old or too new? |
| 13:32.43 | nsadmin | ^6, ok, a quick check of the udd database shows sdd isn't packaged |
| 13:32.53 | pclov3r | I have a 275 but will be upgrading to a 670 |
| 13:33.14 | pclov3r | okay 295.59 has support for it |
| 13:33.45 | gnarface | for my 560 Ti i have found that support has degraded since the 275 drivers or perhaps somewhere earlier than that |
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| 13:34.13 | gnarface | its degraded progressively actually |
| 13:34.18 | apm1 | pclov3r, i have a geforce 320m , and i stick to noveanu :) |
| 13:34.20 | gnarface | since 30x.xx |
| 13:34.47 | ag4ve | the chipset on my laptop is supported just fine using fbdev or whatever :) |
| 13:34.57 | ag4ve | oh 5+ year old laptop |
| 13:35.01 | pclov3r | is there a pacakge for 295.59? |
| 13:35.03 | pclov3r | package |
| 13:35.31 | gnarface | pclov3r: you're on squeeze? |
| 13:35.38 | pclov3r | yes |
| 13:35.50 | gnarface | pclov3r: you'll have to add backports (temporarily at least) |
| 13:35.58 | gnarface | dpkg: tell pclov3r about backports |
| 13:36.02 | pclov3r | yeah i have it enabled |
| 13:36.18 | pclov3r | just was curious if it was in the backports |
| 13:36.30 | gnarface | pclov3r: yea the bot output just a bit ago listed it you didn't see that? |
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| 13:37.05 | gnarface | pclov3r: scroll back to where jelly-home says ,v nvidia-glx |
| 13:37.25 | pclov3r | sorry missed that |
| 13:37.27 | ag4ve | pclov3r: apt-cache search and then policy |
| 13:37.29 | gnarface | pclov3r: that's the version in backports |
| 13:37.39 | gnarface | pclov3r: so you're good |
| 13:37.48 | pclov3r | yeah that's good |
| 13:37.52 | pclov3r | my 275 is starting to show age |
| 13:37.55 | pclov3r | but it's 3 years old |
| 13:38.02 | ag4ve | also, i think apt-cache show will tell you where it is |
| 13:38.22 | nsadmin | and a lot more :) |
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| 13:39.26 | apm1 | anyone here ever packaged for backports ? |
| 13:39.35 | mrfoobar- | what to do when debian randomly kernel panics after few hours of use and the stack trace doesn't fit into the monitor? |
| 13:40.21 | pclov3r | hum doing something wrong here |
| 13:40.25 | ag4ve | mrfoobar-: i think you can tell the kernel to spit stuff out vis a serial port |
| 13:40.39 | ag4ve | mrfoobar-: via grub - but i've never done it |
| 13:41.01 | apm1 | i have never seen a kernel panic on debian , not even on sid :p |
| 13:41.28 | apm1 | lucky i am i guess :) |
| 13:41.35 | ag4ve | i used to get them all the time with bad ram |
| 13:41.37 | mrfoobar- | its cool, your keyboard leds start to flash even |
| 13:41.48 | mrfoobar- | ag4ve: doing a memtest at the moment |
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| 13:41.58 | mrfoobar- | bad memory is great at causing kernel panics |
| 13:42.24 | pclov3r | lol |
| 13:42.26 | mrfoobar- | though its a genuine kingston ram, never seen a kingston be bad |
| 13:42.29 | Goo__ | Hi all. Im loojing for debian 3.0 Woody netinstaller. |
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| 13:42.41 | apm1 | how does a memory stick go bad in the first place ? corrosion ? |
| 13:42.53 | ag4ve | i'm pretty sure i got the bad memory by doing some cool dma stuff hdparam marked as dangerous.... i guess i didn't know the definition of dangerous until i started crashing |
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| 13:43.51 | mrfoobar- | guess ill try to set up that whole serial terminal thingy to record the full kernel panic for one |
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| 13:44.13 | mrfoobar- | even though the value of it might be as useful as windows BSOD output, no one really knows what they mean |
| 13:44.26 | jelly-home | Goo__: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 13:45.33 | pclov3r | apt-get install -t backports nvidia-glx |
| 13:45.36 | pclov3r | what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:45.54 | jelly-home | not reading the instructions for backports, it seems |
| 13:46.00 | gnarface | ^ |
| 13:46.19 | jelly-home | also, not reading the instrucitions in "nvidia glx" factoid |
| 13:46.25 | jelly-home | erm |
| 13:46.37 | jelly-home | make that "nvidia dkms" factoid |
| 13:46.50 | pclov3r | let me re-read lol |
| 13:47.05 | maxxe | lol |
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| 13:48.20 | jelly-home | pclov3r: I guess you could start with aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 13:50.14 | pclov3r | Why is that trying to install headers for a kerenl i'm not running? |
| 13:50.45 | pclov3r | i don't have 3.2 |
| 13:50.52 | nsadmin | because the thing you're trying to download is not for the kernel you're running? |
| 13:50.52 | pclov3r | and it wants to install heders for that kernel as well? |
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| 13:51.32 | pclov3r | hum |
| 13:51.33 | pclov3r | let me see |
| 13:51.34 | nsadmin | are you running squeeze? 3.2.x is in squeeze-backports |
| 13:51.47 | pengwyn | lenard or lenard |
| 13:51.54 | pclov3r | running 2.6.32-5 |
| 13:52.02 | pengwyn | oh lengthard |
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| 13:52.41 | nsadmin | that sounds like the non-backport squeeze kernel |
| 13:53.11 | babilen | pclov3r: Install the headers for that kernel first and run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" afterwards ... jelly-home assumed that you not only want to install the driver from backports, but that you are also running a backported kernel already. |
| 13:53.12 | pengwyn | how can you tell looking at the kernel in MC? |
| 13:53.17 | jelly-home | pclov3r: just install the dkms package then, you probably already have the headers |
| 13:53.18 | pengwyn | which version it is |
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| 13:53.55 | jelly-home | babilen: did not realize what aptitude would tdo |
| 13:54.09 | pengwyn | rephrase |
| 13:54.14 | matt123456 | What CLI utility should one use for connecting to WPA or WPA2 networks? wpa_supplicant? |
| 13:54.37 | pclov3r | Figures. dpkg -l shows that i have linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 so i have the headers for the kernel i'm running |
| 13:54.40 | hays | Anyone here aware of a good systematic walkthrough of how debian works, explanation of the various files in /etc /var, and whatnot? |
| 13:54.41 | jelly-home | pengwyn: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:54.42 | pengwyn | looking at the kernel with midnight commander's hex mode, how can you tell which version it is |
| 13:54.50 | pengwyn | ^ |
| 13:55.05 | pclov3r | thanks for the help :) |
| 13:55.10 | pengwyn | ;o) |
| 13:55.10 | hays | I'm aware I can read the manpages, but just looking for a nice overview |
| 13:55.10 | acemi | matt123456: wicd-curses or wicd-cli |
| 13:55.10 | jelly-home | pengwyn: looking at which file? |
| 13:55.20 | pengwyn | kernel you compiled |
| 13:55.28 | jelly-home | pengwyn: which file in particular? |
| 13:55.33 | pengwyn | kernel |
| 13:55.34 | pengwyn | kernel |
| 13:55.40 | pengwyn | I won't repeat |
| 13:55.41 | matt123456 | acemi, ok. Why should one prefer those over wpa_supplicant? |
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| 13:55.46 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 13:55.49 | pengwyn | ;o) |
| 13:56.01 | pengwyn | much love don't wrack you head on it |
| 13:56.10 | acemi | matt123456: i didn't use wpa_supplicant and i have no idea aboyt it |
| 13:57.13 | pclov3r | For some reason |
| 13:57.18 | pclov3r | that just re-installed the 195 drivers |
| 13:57.22 | pclov3r | I have backports enabled |
| 13:57.38 | themill | pclov3r: full output including the command you gave in a pastebin ... |
| 13:58.12 | pengwyn | Imagine a giant glass bottle of usb sticks. each one has a different os and kernel. imagine another glass jar full of floopy diskettes, each one has a virus on it |
| 13:58.35 | pengwyn | midnight commander to look at the kernels right? |
| 13:58.41 | pengwyn | ;o) |
| 13:58.54 | pengwyn | or ztree in windows |
| 13:58.58 | pclov3r | http://pastebin.com/vLMBJX9Q |
| 13:59.37 | pclov3r | oh oops |
| 13:59.39 | themill | pclov3r: you didn't include contrib and non-free for backports |
| 13:59.42 | pclov3r | do i need to add non free to the backports |
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| 13:59.49 | pclov3r | oops i feel stupid lol |
| 13:59.52 | pclov3r | i just noticed that |
| 13:59.53 | pengwyn | I think this one kernel is debian, but wondered HOW you could tell looking at it with midnight commander. Forget my question. |
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| 14:00.00 | nsadmin | flooooooooooopy loop |
| 14:00.03 | pclov3r | i'm a dumbass lol |
| 14:00.30 | jelly-home | don't be! |
| 14:01.00 | pengwyn | jelly-home - much love bro |
| 14:01.14 | pengwyn | yeah never be dumb |
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| 14:01.41 | pengwyn | but admit when you make a dangerous mistake so it can be fixed |
| 14:02.00 | jelly-home | pengwyn: can I have some of what you're smoking |
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| 14:02.25 | pengwyn | yes |
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| 14:03.56 | pclov3r | I got an error message in the installer |
| 14:04.06 | pclov3r | that something didn't math the running kerenl |
| 14:04.10 | pclov3r | can i ingore that? |
| 14:04.12 | pclov3r | ignore |
| 14:04.18 | jelly-home | pclov3r: can you pastebin it? |
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| 14:04.37 | jelly-home | "something didn't match" is a bit ambiguous |
| 14:04.47 | pclov3r | sec |
| 14:04.52 | vacuous | where is $PATH? |
| 14:05.07 | vacuous | I'm trying to run a script on startup but having huge problems, and xinitrc doesn't work |
| 14:05.12 | vacuous | with awesome |
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| 14:05.21 | vacuous | http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart |
| 14:05.23 | vacuous | trying to do that |
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| 14:08.37 | pengwyn | jelly-home not nec just debian related but... http://pastebin.com/npsUr5uA |
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| 14:10.45 | jelly-home | that's touching |
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| 14:10.56 | pengwyn | im crying |
| 14:11.01 | nsadmin | vacuous, the value of path can be anything... so your script or the thing that runs it needs to turn off the use of path by specifying the fully qualified pathname to the thing you want to run |
| 14:11.33 | vacuous | ok |
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| 14:12.30 | vacuous | well I just want to run some commands on login |
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| 14:12.43 | codekK | Hi all, i have a bigg problem... i try to install nvidia drivers but it crashes my X then i remove nvidia drivers and back to nouveau... now with nouveau my screen resolution is very very bad and i cant change it :S what i can do :S |
| 14:12.48 | vacuous | but this has been written from the eyes of a four year old |
| 14:12.49 | pengwyn | $PATH is important |
| 14:13.04 | pengwyn | control of it is even more important |
| 14:13.11 | vacuous | it assumes the reader can mind read, so I dunno |
| 14:13.28 | vacuous | I don't really care of the importance I just want a simple script to run |
| 14:14.09 | nsadmin | pengwyn, and, the value of $path is not used if the pathname contains "/" |
| 14:14.25 | pengwyn | so I would go boom use existing path then |
| 14:14.37 | pengwyn | copy my binary there and go |
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| 14:14.46 | pengwyn | desperation right? |
| 14:14.59 | pengwyn | or modify the path |
| 14:15.08 | pengwyn | experiment with my binary |
| 14:15.22 | vacuous | can I show the script I want to run and you help me? |
| 14:15.31 | nsadmin | so... cat <-- this will use $path (if the cat is interpreted as a -command- name) and ./cat will -not- use $path |
| 14:15.39 | codekK | Hi all, i have a bigg problem... i try to install nvidia drivers but it crashes my X then i remove nvidia drivers and back to nouveau... now with nouveau my screen resolution is very very bad and i cant change it :S what i can do :S |
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| 14:16.08 | pengwyn | <vacuous> can I show the script I want to run and you help me? ON PASTEBIN I think... |
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| 14:16.41 | nsadmin | and /fpp/bar/cat will not use $path (contains "/") and further is "fully qualified" (first char is "/") |
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| 14:17.20 | nsadmin | and when you call stuff in a script, you almost always want to use full qualification |
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| 14:18.13 | pengwyn | uninstall, reinstasll nvidia drivers, NO FEAR |
| 14:18.14 | vacuous | http://pastebin.com/tuFCbthG |
| 14:18.25 | pengwyn | hitting it vacuous |
| 14:19.00 | pengwyn | you want permission on your VM right vacuous |
| 14:19.13 | pengwyn | er root permissiopns |
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| 14:19.20 | vacuous | what? |
| 14:19.21 | pengwyn | try the shell called SUX |
| 14:19.33 | pengwyn | suse is where I leaned about it |
| 14:19.35 | vacuous | I want what I wrote in that pastebin |
| 14:19.48 | pengwyn | tyr doing it in the shell called "sux" |
| 14:19.51 | vacuous | let me rephrase it, hold on |
| 14:19.52 | vacuous | no. |
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| 14:20.00 | pengwyn | apt-ge insall sux |
| 14:20.04 | vacuous | no. |
| 14:20.07 | pengwyn | no |
| 14:20.28 | pengwyn | I would, I bet it works |
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| 14:20.56 | pengwyn | maybe not solving your problem though |
| 14:21.01 | vacuous | http://pastebin.com/Ti7EWRpi |
| 14:21.02 | vacuous | try that |
| 14:21.07 | vacuous | should be a bit easier for you to understand |
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| 14:21.26 | pclov3r | well i got working thats the good part |
| 14:21.31 | pclov3r | it broke my x but i fixed it |
| 14:21.52 | vacuous | http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart |
| 14:21.55 | vacuous | this explains how to do it |
| 14:21.57 | vacuous | but it's not clear to me |
| 14:22.19 | pengwyn | vacuous, I don't know |
| 14:22.22 | pclov3r | i had older drivers installed for some reason it messed it up so i stripped both drivers and re-did it and it worked |
| 14:22.26 | pengwyn | I don't give up though |
| 14:22.36 | pengwyn | still looking for answer bri |
| 14:22.40 | pengwyn | bro even |
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| 14:24.18 | vacuous | perhaps there's someone who understands that can speak |
| 14:24.27 | vacuous | and not spam me with useless information |
| 14:24.41 | pengwyn | dookay |
| 14:24.57 | pengwyn | you have permissions and made your binary executable? |
| 14:25.06 | vacuous | lol |
| 14:25.09 | pengwyn | just checking |
| 14:25.28 | vacuous | stop talking to me please |
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| 14:25.30 | pengwyn | that's fine laugh, I give up then |
| 14:25.37 | pengwyn | bye |
| 14:25.39 | vacuous | I've already said I want to make a script that runs those things |
| 14:25.43 | hays | if i want to give someone a shell account what is the best secure way to go about this? |
| 14:25.45 | pengwyn | fine goodbye |
| 14:25.48 | vacuous | you're talking about something completely different |
| 14:25.51 | pengwyn | what a jerk |
| 14:25.56 | vacuous | what an idiot |
| 14:26.13 | bolt | namecalling will solve nothing |
| 14:26.19 | themill | vacuous: sticking stuff in .xsession would probably be easiest. /msg dpkg xsession |
| 14:26.20 | vacuous | correct |
| 14:26.21 | hays | I was thinking chmod o-r / |
| 14:26.27 | vacuous | themill, nope |
| 14:26.29 | vacuous | that doesn't work |
| 14:26.35 | hays | and then opening /home backup |
| 14:26.37 | bolt | !doesn't work |
| 14:26.38 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 14:26.48 | themill | vacuous: that doesn't really tell me anything... and the documentation you pointed to says that it will |
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| 14:27.41 | vacuous | sure, the problem I had with that was when I created an xsession file |
| 14:28.05 | vacuous | it prevented awesome wm from loading properly; furthermore, the documentation doesn't account for the fact I'm using gdm |
| 14:28.19 | vacuous | gdm and awesome together create new issues not explained there |
| 14:28.26 | bolt | vacuous: i load awesome from .xsession. there is no inherent problem with that |
| 14:28.27 | vacuous | what I want to do is to run a script on log in |
| 14:28.34 | vacuous | firstly, I need to know what that script should be |
| 14:28.42 | vacuous | secondly I need to know how to execute that script |
| 14:28.48 | vacuous | I can probably execute it from rc.lua |
| 14:28.49 | bolt | .xsession is an appropriate place to run something on login |
| 14:28.53 | themill | the answer to both question s is ".xsession" |
| 14:29.02 | vacuous | bolt sure |
| 14:29.04 | vacuous | do you use gdm? |
| 14:29.11 | bolt | no |
| 14:29.12 | Cueball | Hi all I'm gettin Neighbour table overflow in my kernel messages but my arp table only consists of my local machines. What else could be causing this message? |
| 14:29.13 | vacuous | right |
| 14:29.16 | vacuous | so re-read what I wrote |
| 14:29.17 | themill | xsession is still used if you use gdm |
| 14:29.28 | bolt | vacuous: what he said |
| 14:29.32 | vacuous | just the presence of the xsession file will crash it |
| 14:29.37 | bolt | no |
| 14:29.38 | themill | eh? no |
| 14:29.46 | vacuous | want me to make a video of it? |
| 14:29.56 | vacuous | a blank .xsession file |
| 14:30.06 | bolt | a blank xsession file makes no sense |
| 14:30.12 | bolt | x will exit when xsession ends |
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| 14:30.26 | vacuous | any xession file |
| 14:30.27 | themill | vacuous: xsession has to be a sensible executable |
| 14:30.38 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 14:30.44 | vacuous | with gdm and awesome, prevents awesome from working properly |
| 14:30.48 | bolt | vacuous: i suggest you read the manual about xsession |
| 14:30.48 | vacuous | but I'll try it again |
| 14:30.49 | nsadmin | vacuous, define "crash". the .xsession must exec something as its last step, otherwise the session will terminate, and then offer you the chance to log in again |
| 14:30.52 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 14:31.15 | vacuous | awesome wm loads but the taskbar doesn't |
| 14:31.17 | bolt | EasyAsPie: do you have a debian related question? otherwise, debian-offtopic is the place to socialize :) |
| 14:31.22 | vacuous | it'll be a blank screen |
| 14:31.31 | EasyAsPie | yse |
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| 14:31.37 | EasyAsPie | what is debian? |
| 14:31.41 | bolt | vacuous: then check your xsession-errors :) |
| 14:31.44 | bolt | !debian |
| 14:31.44 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:31.45 | vacuous | anyway what would I put in xsession? |
| 14:32.02 | bolt | what did you put in xsession? |
| 14:32.06 | EasyAsPie | linux? |
| 14:32.15 | bolt | EasyAsPie: yes. go to debian.org. read. |
| 14:32.24 | themill | vacuous: did you read what dpkg said? or the examples on the page you linked to? |
| 14:32.24 | vacuous | I cannot remember, but I tried a blank .xsession file in diagnosis and it still caused problems |
| 14:32.33 | vacuous | I read, I don't fully understand |
| 14:32.39 | themill | vacuous: a blank file is not a proper executable. |
| 14:32.39 | vacuous | firstly I want to get the script sorted |
| 14:32.41 | bolt | vacuous: an empty xsession file will cause problems |
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| 14:32.44 | vacuous | how I implement that I can worry about later |
| 14:32.48 | vacuous | bolt okay |
| 14:32.54 | bolt | vacuous: it makes no sense to have a blank session. x will do nothing and exit |
| 14:33.00 | vacuous | but for now I want to know what the script should be |
| 14:33.05 | bolt | vacuous: read the manual. or "exec awesome" in xsession |
| 14:33.07 | vacuous | well bolt |
| 14:33.09 | vacuous | you're wrong |
| 14:33.12 | vacuous | because x started |
| 14:33.17 | vacuous | logged into awesome wm |
| 14:33.27 | bolt | are you on stable? |
| 14:33.34 | pclov3r | does the ext4 data bug effect debian at all? |
| 14:33.36 | vacuous | I assume so |
| 14:33.42 | vacuous | bolt, let me explain what i did |
| 14:33.48 | vacuous | before you fire a million questions |
| 14:33.55 | pclov3r | the ext4 0-byte bug |
| 14:33.59 | bolt | vacuous: why don't you read the manual instead? |
| 14:34.00 | vacuous | I installed debian, wm, gdm, I then |
| 14:34.03 | vacuous | okay |
| 14:34.05 | vacuous | nevermind |
| 14:34.06 | vacuous | you're not listening |
| 14:34.11 | nsadmin | if you put just awesome, that will work but will also waste a process |
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| 14:34.31 | vacuous | if you want to discuss this I will |
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| 14:34.49 | vacuous | but it has to go both ways or it gives me a headache |
| 14:35.07 | bolt | vacuous: if you read the manual, have a problem, form a proper question and ask, we'll answer. otherwise you're giving others a headache |
| 14:35.13 | vacuous | okay |
| 14:35.21 | vacuous | so I'll continue with what I was saying |
| 14:35.38 | pclov3r | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNDQ does this effect debian at all? |
| 14:35.44 | vacuous | I installed debian, wm, gdm, I then set up rc.lua to execute the commands I wanted, this worked fine |
| 14:36.10 | Cueball | Has anyone else have a similar problem? I used to get this when my network conection was directly connected to the internet but now I'm on a PPP link and have already tried increasing the gc threshhold to no avail. |
| 14:36.15 | vacuous | system runs fine unless I "restart" awesome and then it executes the commands a second time. Following a tutorial, I copied an xsession file EXACTLY as on a website |
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| 14:36.26 | vacuous | this caused the taskbar of awesome wm to disappear upon login |
| 14:36.41 | vacuous | as a test, I deleted the contents of the xsession file, but I kept that file, as empty |
| 14:36.48 | vacuous | the same results |
| 14:37.12 | vacuous | I would like to know what the script should be to run the commands I want (I can write them on pastebin) |
| 14:37.24 | vacuous | and if I can do that, I can probably just execute the script from rc.lua |
| 14:37.29 | vacuous | not xsession, no need |
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| 14:38.40 | nsadmin | .xsession's purpose is to set up a static desktop; the items of that desktop (except the last one, which should be considered the "session controller") should be started in the background |
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| 14:39.14 | vacuous | okay |
| 14:39.16 | nsadmin | the last one should be exec-ed so that it takes the process id of the shell interpreter that ran the .xsession |
| 14:39.53 | nsadmin | this process id, which used to belong to the shell that ran the .xsession, is watched |
| 14:39.55 | vacuous | I'll keep it simple for rnow |
| 14:40.07 | vacuous | if I want to make a script to run the following the single time |
| 14:40.09 | vacuous | "/usr/bin/vmware-user" "urxvtd -q -f -o" "skype" "urxvc -e screen irssi" |
| 14:40.13 | vacuous | what should that script be? |
| 14:40.14 | nsadmin | when it's gone, the session dies and you get the login screen again |
| 14:40.23 | vacuous | yeah but that didn't happen |
| 14:40.25 | vacuous | like I said |
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| 14:40.40 | vacuous | the sesssion did not die |
| 14:40.46 | vacuous | I could still right click desktop |
| 14:40.50 | vacuous | just the taskbar vanished |
| 14:41.00 | vacuous | anyway, I'm done repeating myself on that issue--it's not productive |
| 14:41.08 | nsadmin | try putting just this in your .xsession: exec xterm |
| 14:41.12 | vacuous | please can someone help with the script, I'll worry about executing it |
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| 14:41.49 | nsadmin | make sure you have xterm (earlier we were talking about $PATH and full qualification of executables and you can apply that here... |
| 14:41.58 | nsadmin | run "which xterm" |
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| 14:42.41 | nsadmin | if you get something, that's xterm's path... if not, you don't have xterm installed and we shoudl try a different x program |
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| 14:42.55 | vacuous | echo "exec xterm" >> ~/.xsession |
| 14:42.56 | vacuous | so that? |
| 14:43.04 | vacuous | in terminal |
| 14:43.33 | vacuous | usr/bin/xterm is what showed with which |
| 14:43.40 | nsadmin | you can try that, with the caveat that just "xterm" is not the full path to xterm |
| 14:43.59 | vacuous | do you want me to put /usr/bin/xterm? |
| 14:44.07 | vacuous | echo "exec /usr/bin/xterm" >> ~/.xsession |
| 14:44.09 | vacuous | like that? |
| 14:44.10 | nsadmin | is that where xterm is? |
| 14:44.12 | vacuous | yes |
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| 14:44.16 | stackofcats | concerning the exim4-vulnerability (DSA-2566-1) there is an update for sid (exim4-4.80-5.1) but not for testing as claimed in the security announce. anyone? |
| 14:44.21 | nsadmin | ok, almost, let |
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| 14:44.30 | vacuous | because t his will nuke my system :D |
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| 14:44.35 | vacuous | so let me do it exactly as you say |
| 14:44.42 | nsadmin | if you're working on xterm, then do this first: |
| 14:44.47 | vacuous | then we can stop with this xsession nonsense |
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| 14:45.21 | nsadmin | err working on .xsession, then do this: cp .xsession backup.xsession |
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| 14:45.33 | vacuous | there's no xsession file |
| 14:45.34 | vacuous | at the moment |
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| 14:46.03 | nsadmin | then, do this: echo "exec /usr/bin/xterm" > .xsession |
| 14:46.12 | nsadmin | notice we're not appending |
| 14:46.19 | themill | I think you'll need a shebang too |
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| 14:46.36 | vacuous | and now reboot? |
| 14:46.40 | themill | stackofcats: the package from sid is installable in wheezy and will eventually migrate there. testing doesn't get dedicated security support |
| 14:46.54 | stackofcats | themill: ok, thank you |
| 14:46.57 | Pnoexz | hey, can anybody recommend me a lightweight ftp client thats on the stable repos? |
| 14:47.04 | nkuttler | vacuous: just (re)start x |
| 14:47.08 | vacuous | okay |
| 14:47.11 | vacuous | see you in a while |
| 14:47.15 | nsadmin | themill, if it's set up the way it was a few years ago, .xsession is sourced by the global xsession file |
| 14:47.18 | vacuous | this will cause the taskbar not to work etc |
| 14:47.20 | mmnicolas | Pnoexz: ftp |
| 14:47.23 | nkuttler | Pnoexz: ncftp |
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| 14:48.27 | eblip | hi guys |
| 14:48.29 | nsadmin | you could just try startx |
| 14:48.32 | Pnoexz | thanks mmnicolas and nkuttler |
| 14:48.35 | eblip | trying to get an iso of debian |
| 14:48.46 | eblip | and it looks like there are 60 images |
| 14:49.05 | Pnoexz | you only need one |
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| 14:49.21 | vacuous | back |
| 14:49.22 | eblip | oh it says up to cd 53 |
| 14:49.26 | vacuous | as I thought |
| 14:49.28 | eblip | are they all the same thing |
| 14:49.28 | Pnoexz | the others have a copy of the repos so you dont have to download everything you need, eblip |
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| 14:49.36 | vacuous | okay so, let's do it my way now I've wasted my time on that |
| 14:49.39 | vacuous | lol |
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| 14:49.52 | mmnicolas | eblip: if you want stable, click on the big button on debian.org's home page |
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| 14:50.19 | eblip | i really wanted a stable image but not all the applications |
| 14:50.33 | eblip | wanted to choose..but its a seperate computer |
| 14:50.42 | vacuous | can someone help me make a script that will run some commands, and programs, and also check if they are already running |
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| 14:50.45 | eblip | that has a totally wiped hardd rive |
| 14:50.52 | vacuous | so the program can only run the once? |
| 14:50.55 | eblip | so i cant do it online |
| 14:51.16 | vacuous | the commands I want to run are -- "/usr/bin/vmware-user" "urxvtd -q -f -o" "skype" "urxvc -e screen irssi" |
| 14:51.23 | eblip | on the debian site it says load it online and choose what you want |
| 14:51.34 | eblip | but i just have a formatted hard drive so that option is out |
| 14:51.48 | nsadmin | yeah, there are a lot of images, and most likely if you have a wired net connection, you just need a netinstall |
| 14:51.52 | themill | nsadmin: xsessionrc is sourced, isn't xsession executed (which is why it needs to not return) |
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| 14:52.21 | mmnicolas | eblip: the big button |
| 14:52.31 | eblip | thanks mmnicolas ill try it |
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| 14:52.56 | nsadmin | themill, I'm looking at /etc/X11/Xsession now, trying to find where it sources it |
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| 14:52.58 | nkuttler | wow, that "bug button" is really well hidden.. |
| 14:53.02 | nkuttler | s/bug/big |
| 14:53.14 | nsadmin | found it |
| 14:53.22 | mmnicolas | nkuttler: ?! |
| 14:53.43 | mmnicolas | oh, sarcasm. |
| 14:53.44 | nkuttler | mmnicolas: i have more punctuation keys:.,; |
| 14:54.04 | nsadmin | there is a lot of indiredtion goin on |
| 14:54.43 | mmnicolas | nkuttler: that's nice.. |
| 14:54.45 | nkuttler | so there's a top level Getting Debian, then a submenu Gettind Debian, and yet another small button inside an image Download Debian.. |
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| 14:54.50 | fairway | hi all |
| 14:54.53 | Pnoexz | nkuttler: have a cookie |
| 14:55.09 | fairway | are there some "newer" alternatives to squirrel webmail client? |
| 14:55.15 | fairway | it has to be a webmail client |
| 14:55.26 | themill | nsadmin: not that I can see anywhere in that file. |
| 14:55.43 | eblip | thanks for trying ...but the big button is the network installer...it seems like debian wants you to have windows |
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| 14:56.03 | eblip | probably got bill gates backing it |
| 14:56.29 | nkuttler | eblip: the network installer is the bestest |
| 14:56.29 | mmnicolas | eblip: there's something you don't get, if there is a wire going to your pc from your router/modem, you will be fine. |
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| 14:56.39 | fairway | roundcube maybe? |
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| 14:56.47 | nsadmin | look at the end, that loop executes everything in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 14:56.53 | eblip | yes the neetwrok installer is fantastic if you got a working pc to go off |
| 14:57.02 | nsadmin | err, sources everything there |
| 14:57.04 | Pnoexz | eblip: 1. netinstall has nothing to do with windows 2. bill gate quit a looooooong time ago |
| 14:57.05 | mmnicolas | eblip: how is it not a working pc ?! |
| 14:57.09 | nkuttler | fairway: fwiw, when i was an admin users preferred roundcube over everything else |
| 14:57.11 | eblip | but if you just got a bios loaded its not much use |
| 14:57.23 | niklas23 | how do i find out if my computer supports gpt? |
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| 14:58.09 | themill | nsadmin: ~/.xsession isn't in 99x11-common_start |
| 14:58.24 | themill | nsadmin: ~/.xsession isn't in or indeed anywhere else in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
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| 14:59.06 | mmnicolas | eblip: please, just proceed. |
| 14:59.51 | nsadmin | that location, however, is set as the value of the variable USERXSESSION |
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| 14:59.59 | eblip | ok mmnicolas ill try it .dont be offended by my attitute...i just spent 4 hours installing arch linux and then it didnt work with the hardware i was using |
| 15:00.15 | nsadmin | trying to see what it does with that |
| 15:00.40 | ryanbrunswick | I just installed Debian Squeeze. For some reason it cant find of the multimedia codecs |
| 15:00.57 | ryanbrunswick | And it didn't install synaptic or this "software center" I hear about either by default. Very strange. |
| 15:01.12 | mmnicolas | eblip: in simpler words, unless you have a very exotic network card, the installer will get some networking going on and fetch the remaining packages |
| 15:01.28 | eblip | its frustrating that even all the youtube stuff is based around having windows loaded and all your drivers in place ..then you just install into a virtual machine |
| 15:01.39 | eblip | yes ill try it mmnicolas i think its gonna work |
| 15:01.54 | Pnoexz | ryanbrunswick: you probably disabled contrib or non-free while installing.. the common codecs are non-free |
| 15:02.13 | mmnicolas | eblip: the only difference is now the machine is not virtual |
| 15:02.54 | eblip | yes but when you use a virtual machine....the drivers for your sound video etc are already available |
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| 15:03.17 | eblip | it kind of mounts the virtual machine in an already established environment |
| 15:03.23 | nsadmin | since it -sources- the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, all the variables in the global xsession file are available to all of them |
| 15:03.26 | themill | eblip: what do you need a VM for? |
| 15:03.27 | mmnicolas | no, your virtualized os needs drivers for a virtual sound card |
| 15:03.38 | eblip | idont need a vm |
| 15:03.44 | themill | nsadmin: sure. But that doesn't source ~/.xsession anywhere |
| 15:04.04 | eblip | if i set up a virtual device on my machine right now. |
| 15:04.20 | eblip | the screen works ..the sound works. |
| 15:04.23 | nsadmin | not /etc/X11/Xsession, no. if anything does, it will be in the dir |
| 15:04.27 | eblip | before i even start loading an image |
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| 15:04.40 | eblip | the machine already has connectivity to internet |
| 15:04.45 | eblip | all the hard stuff is in place |
| 15:04.47 | mmnicolas | eblip: it's not the same screen and same sound card |
| 15:05.03 | mmnicolas | it's all "virtualized" |
| 15:05.04 | eblip | its a virtual sound card and virtual screen |
| 15:05.24 | oskie | how do you fix "missing firmware" during install? I found the missing ucode files, placed them on an USB stick, but it does not seem to find them during install |
| 15:05.25 | eblip | yes but the virtual sound card and virtual vidoe card work |
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| 15:05.46 | themill | nsadmin: in fact, if you look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup then /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start you will see that it is exec'd not sourced. |
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| 15:06.14 | mmnicolas | oskie: might wanna try theses images: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 15:06.45 | mmnicolas | eblip: use theses iso too if you need some reassurance |
| 15:07.01 | fairway | roundcube is nice yes. |
| 15:07.01 | fairway | thanks |
| 15:07.14 | bolt | gah. is there a way to read offline synced newsgroups in thunderbird without being in offline mode? i can't reach that news server when not on vpn, but i can reach my other mail accounts, so i don't want to use offline mode. i can read the messages fine in offline mode. when online, it keeps trying to check with the server i can't reach and doesn't show the messages i click on. |
| 15:07.53 | oskie | mmnicolas: nice, thanks. |
| 15:07.55 | nsadmin | themill, ok, I'll take your word for that... one thing that implies, is .xsession does not get those vars,,, what does it imply about what .xsession have to be? |
| 15:07.57 | bolt | hm.. there's a #firefox, but no #thunderbird |
| 15:08.06 | nsadmin | executable, with hashbang? |
| 15:08.17 | niklas23 | does anyone how do i find out if my computer supports gpt? |
| 15:08.36 | Binary | bolt: you'll have more success googling and/or searching thunderbird support |
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| 15:09.00 | themill | nsadmin: if it's is +x it needs to be executable, if it is not, it has to be a shell script supported by sh. see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup |
| 15:09.11 | bolt | Binary: so far i've come up with zilch. people don't have this setup, it seems. |
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| 15:14.30 | ghgdqfq | hi everyone |
| 15:14.35 | nsadmin | themill, that would be a change... in the past, it looked at the .xsession to see if it's executable... and if not I believe it was sourced |
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| 15:15.20 | nsadmin | anyway he said his last try didn't work |
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| 15:15.53 | themill | nsadmin: I would be unconvinced that anything that was being done there was correct, however. Plenty of people are using awesome with gdm. |
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| 15:17.23 | nsadmin | vacuous, what's your status? |
| 15:17.34 | ghgdqfq | I got a technical question for raid experts: a box of mine has two hardrives in a software RAID 1 array, with a LUKS encrypted partition on top of it. I want to upgrade the box for space reasons to a RAID 5 array with three drives. |
| 15:17.57 | nsadmin | "alien, green, with a tinge of purple" |
| 15:18.44 | eblip | hey mmnicholas....just wondering ...if a user wants....can he learn about linux to quite a high level using debian...or is it all taken out of the users hands as it seems very user friendly |
| 15:19.00 | ghgdqfq | My concern is that I don't have enough external backup for the moment to hold the data on my RAID 1 array, and not enough SATA ports to handle the two arrays at the same time. |
| 15:19.16 | nsadmin | themill, maybe the maint wanted to do make the change, or rather take out the possibility of .xsession sourced |
| 15:19.58 | ghgdqfq | Is it possible to unplug the RAID 1 drives, install the new RAID 5 drives with a clean install, and remount only one of the RAID 1 encrypted drives in the box. |
| 15:20.29 | ghgdqfq | I think it's theoritically possible, but I could not find any hints on this situation through google. |
| 15:20.46 | nsadmin | seems pretty specialized |
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| 15:21.25 | fairway | hi all |
| 15:21.35 | fairway | sorry but why is there such an old glassfish version in sid? |
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| 15:27.03 | themill | nsadmin: it's been link that for over 6 years... I don't think I'll bother looking back further... |
| 15:27.33 | mmnicolas | eblip: you can go as deep as you want, it is the real deal |
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| 15:30.01 | tremon | ghgdqfq: if it's md raid, you can do online resize from raid1 to raid5 |
| 15:30.43 | ghgdqfq | tremon: thanks I looked into it. |
| 15:31.22 | tremon | ghgdqfq: your approach would probably work, but not from within the installer (you can't use the installer to rebuild a degraded array) |
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| 15:35.00 | biberao | hi |
| 15:35.10 | biberao | there are no sid isos? |
| 15:35.20 | themill | no |
| 15:35.30 | themill | dpkg: tell biberao about install wheezy |
| 15:35.31 | ghgdqfq | tremon: I know. Another option is to kick one drive of the RAID 1, install the new system on the RAID 5 drive, then move the old LUKS partition on the new partition. I think it can work. |
| 15:36.50 | biberao | themill: theres some things i need which are in there |
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| 15:37.38 | themill | biberao: things being only in sid and not in wheezy is frequently not a good sign for their quality. /msg dpkg tum |
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| 15:39.50 | biberao | ok thnaks |
| 15:40.09 | tremon | ghgdqfq: as long as you're not reusing the other leg of the raid1, there's very little reason not to try. You will always have a spare copy of the data. So just go ahead. Although I've never tried moving a luks partition. Have a rescue disk ready, in case the initramfs can't find the luks partition in the new location |
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| 15:41.03 | tremon | (you didn't say your / partition was on the raid, so that may not apply) |
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| 15:43.55 | Belial` | is there a reason why i need to "ifup wlan0" and then "ifdown wlan0" and then /etc/init.d/network-manager restart just to get networkmanager working in kde? |
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| 15:46.40 | eblip | you were iright mmnicolas its installing |
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| 15:48.41 | Wizard | Hi |
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| 15:50.26 | dreamon | Using two wlan connection at same time. Only one has internet connection. how can i set gateway and standard gateway. connecting with both, I always loose internet connection. |
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| 15:54.51 | demonax | Belial: can you post the /etc/network/interfaces file contents; I'm a novice, and use gnome vs kde, but the problem may be there. |
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| 16:01.40 | dankobum | I just shutted down my notebook to clean it, after reboot iceweasel does not start any more: error meassage: Error: Platform version '10.0.9' is not compatible with |
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| 16:11.49 | xreal | How can I find out, which packages get installed in "minimal" ? |
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| 16:16.48 | vacuous | I've deleted gdm and xsession works fine now |
| 16:17.28 | vacuous | but I still cannot get urxvtd to run from it :S |
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| 16:19.13 | xreal | anyone with an idea ? |
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| 16:19.32 | themill | xreal: what do you mean by "minimal"? |
| 16:19.37 | ag4ve | i'm full of ideas |
| 16:19.46 | xreal | themill: netinstall is minimal, I think. |
| 16:20.00 | themill | no, the installer is identical on all media |
| 16:21.21 | xreal | themill: yeah, but what are the minimal packages, which get installed ? |
| 16:21.22 | babilen | xreal: Maybe you are after the union of essential pacakges and those from the standard task. See "/msg dpkg essential" and "/msg dpkg standard" for details |
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| 16:21.39 | KTO | WHY was GnomeBaker removed ??? |
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| 16:22.47 | themill | xreal: what gets installed depends on what you ask the installer to install. The minimum set is the packages marked "required" and "important"; you'll probably want just about everything in the standard task anyway so you would normally install that too |
| 16:23.15 | babilen | ,bug rm gnomebaker |
| 16:23.21 | xreal | themill: no, I want a minimal set only. thanks for your help :) |
| 16:23.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/590890 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: gnomebaker -- RoQA; obsolete, dead upstream, unmaintained, doesn't work with current kernels»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-07-29; last modified: 2010-08-28. |
| 16:23.29 | babilen | KTO: ^^^ |
| 16:23.32 | KTO | WHAT |
| 16:23.48 | KTO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GnomeBaker |
| 16:23.50 | themill | removes KTO's capslock key |
| 16:23.50 | babilen | KTO: Do you have trouble accessing/reading that bug report? |
| 16:23.51 | KTO | "Development status current" |
| 16:24.00 | KTO | Argh darn package maintainers! |
| 16:24.15 | KTO | What am I supposed to use NOW? gnome-baker worked PERFECTLY! :'( |
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| 16:25.03 | ag4ve | xreal: then see debootstrap / multistrap - you can have a system with little more than coreutils, grub, and a kernel |
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| 16:25.50 | babilen | KTO: Take a look at http://gnomebaker.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gnomebaker/ and you will realize that it is not maintained anymore. There are plenty of alternatives such as brasero, k3b, wodim, ... |
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| 16:25.56 | xreal | ag4ve: I'm doing this atm while building a new live CD :) |
| 16:26.24 | themill | KTO: did you volunteer to help with gnomebaker? It needs work upstream as well as in debian |
| 16:26.53 | ag4ve | xreal: you can also just boot off of a cd and apt-get install debootstrap (on any modern system - need the ram) and just go from there |
| 16:27.15 | intore | hi, do you know why after installing kde i can't connect to wifi networks using wicd? I didn't change nothing, passwords are correct. I used just before KDE installation |
| 16:27.21 | xreal | ag4ve: yeah. |
| 16:27.25 | ag4ve | not much need to create a cd unless you have >5 boxes you're installing right now |
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| 16:28.01 | ag4ve | intore: wild guess - network-manager |
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| 16:28.15 | themill | intore: do you have both network-manager and wicd fighting over the device? |
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| 16:29.02 | KTO | babilen: Thanks. wodim isn't GUI; k3b is KDE; But, brasero looks like it will suffice. ^_^ |
| 16:29.21 | babilen | KTO: You are welcome - Just wanted to mention a couple of alternatives |
| 16:29.27 | ag4ve | i never understood why wicd was made / why people use it ... seemed late with not as much support as network-manager |
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| 16:30.15 | intore | ag4ve, themill. I uninstall Network Manager in gnome but maybe kde installation has install it |
| 16:30.33 | KTO | babilen+=1; |
| 16:30.38 | KTO | themill++; |
| 16:30.58 | intore | ag4ve, using wicd i haven't problem with broadcom network interfaces. |
| 16:31.00 | ag4ve | intore: yeah, it's too popular for its own good - has tons of front ends |
| 16:31.28 | ag4ve | it == network-manager |
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| 16:31.58 | intore | ag4ve, but after kde installation wicd i can't connect in gnome also! Why |
| 16:31.58 | intore | ? |
| 16:32.03 | eblip | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/art/part |
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| 16:32.44 | ag4ve | intore: i do this stuff by hand - wpa-supplicant. so idk |
| 16:33.26 | intore | ag4ve, am sorry, i don't understand |
| 16:33.37 | lynks | i have an intermittent crash on boot, about 1 time in 3 the system hangs. I have taken an image of the output here: http://adranos.com/images/crash.jpg (nothing is written to any syslogs so a picture seemed the only way). this is way out of my depth, is there anyone that can shed some light on what might be going on? many thanks, |
| 16:33.41 | peterrooney | ag4ve: because, when network-manager is not installed on my system, wicd Just Works. |
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| 16:34.22 | ag4ve | *shrug*... i guess there is the "just works" thing. |
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| 16:34.37 | stf | hello guys, during an installation of debian on a external harddrive i accidential overwrite the existing grub loader on a internal hardrrive, because i to much entries, to much older linux systems i do not use anymore, i asking me know, how can manipulate the grub.cfg to have only the bcd-Windows7-loader as an entry? |
| 16:34.48 | vacuous | can someone help with an sh script? |
| 16:35.09 | vacuous | I want to run urxvtd -q -f -o and have it wait before it starts urxvtc |
| 16:35.13 | Pnoexz | vacuous: dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 16:35.20 | vacuous | didn't let me finish |
| 16:35.26 | Pnoexz | stf: grub2 or grub1? |
| 16:35.30 | ag4ve | i've been meaning to setup network-manager, but haven't gotten around to it since iwlist / wpa_passphrase / wpa_supplicant just works and don't take very long at all |
| 16:35.36 | peterrooney | vacuous: try #bash, where part of the topic used to be "please specify if you are writing for sh" |
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| 16:35.47 | vacuous | no |
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| 16:35.53 | Pnoexz | vacuous: write your question in a single paragraph.. those who help cant keep track of everything at the same time |
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| 16:35.59 | vacuous | shut the fuck up |
| 16:36.01 | vacuous | jesus christ |
| 16:36.04 | vacuous | if you don't wanna help don't |
| 16:36.06 | vacuous | but quit spamming |
| 16:36.14 | peterrooney | !enter |
| 16:36.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:36.17 | intore | ag4ve, i'll try to unistalling network.manager |
| 16:36.22 | vacuous | !troll |
| 16:36.22 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 16:36.48 | vacuous | when you're done highlight spamming me, perhaps someone can actually offer suggestions |
| 16:36.53 | lynks | vacuous, try stackoverflow.com |
| 16:36.54 | ag4ve | intore: yeah, if you don't use it, you have to disable it |
| 16:37.01 | vacuous | so far, this channel has said to me "do not use a vm it will overheat pc!!!" |
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| 16:37.04 | vacuous | and other such crap |
| 16:37.19 | mmnicolas | lynks: hardware issues |
| 16:37.40 | stf | pnoexz: i do not exactly, thats my problem i only could found a grub.cfg not a menu.lst and the grub.cfg picks up files of the /etc/grub.d/ folder |
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| 16:38.13 | lynks | mmnicolas: i thought as much. if it was software it would fail everytime i guess. should i unplug one thing at a time and see what might be causing it? is there any indication of what it is likely to be? |
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| 16:38.43 | Pnoexz | stf: `aptitude search "~i grub"` will tell you which version you have installed |
| 16:39.06 | blubberdiblub | if he has only got a grub.cfg, he has grub2 |
| 16:39.13 | vacuous | I was told it could be run in xsession |
| 16:39.23 | mmnicolas | lynks: I'd bet on a misbehaving hard-drive or sata controller something like that |
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| 16:40.12 | lynks | mmnicolas: im running a lukscrypt ssd (hence the bpo kernel, the stable kernel couldnt see the ssd). i was really hoping that wasnt going to be it |
| 16:40.16 | stf | pnoexz: ah thx, my thought was right it is grub2 |
| 16:40.23 | mmnicolas | lynks: does it happen with the stock 2.6.32 ? |
| 16:40.38 | mmnicolas | ah |
| 16:40.55 | stf | oh no |
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| 16:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | vacuous: #bash can be helpful, but be polite. If you're rude they won't help. |
| 16:41.31 | lynks | the issue has been persistent through 3.2.0.0-1 -2 and -3 |
| 16:41.35 | vacuous | they're telling me to talk here |
| 16:41.39 | vacuous | and there's passive aggressiveness |
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| 16:41.45 | vacuous | which is considerably more rude in my opinion |
| 16:41.51 | vacuous | but don't even go into that tbh |
| 16:41.57 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, well, IRC may not be the thing for you. |
| 16:42.07 | vacuous | I've been on irc for years |
| 16:42.17 | vacuous | I'm fully aware of what cunts people are |
| 16:42.18 | jhutchins_wk | Then you should know better |
| 16:42.21 | vacuous | but that's irrelevant |
| 16:42.29 | vacuous | don't try to take the moral high ground |
| 16:42.31 | vacuous | you don't know me |
| 16:42.39 | vacuous | I'm probably a better person than you'll ever be |
| 16:42.40 | boudiccas | well you haven't learnt any manners! |
| 16:42.43 | vacuous | so what's the point discussing that? |
| 16:42.56 | vacuous | objectively prove what good manners are to people like you |
| 16:42.58 | Armand | boudiccas! |
| 16:43.01 | bolt | vacuous: enter is not punctuation :) but to know if a program has "started", you probably need to prod your window manager and ask if the window is up |
| 16:43.02 | vacuous | if you cannot, it's a moot point |
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| 16:43.06 | mmnicolas | vacuous: you know what is bothering people ? full pages of drama on a support channel. |
| 16:43.10 | vacuous | like I said, moot point |
| 16:43.20 | intore | ag4ve, well! after uninstalling network manager it runs! thank you |
| 16:43.30 | vacuous | I've been specific with the question, you're unable to help |
| 16:43.33 | vacuous | so you troll |
| 16:43.41 | dvs | intore: what happened to wicd? |
| 16:43.42 | vacuous | I lose nothing by being an arsehole back |
| 16:43.47 | bolt | calm down. |
| 16:43.53 | ag4ve | intore: yup, like i said, an educated guess. |
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| 16:43.54 | Armand | vacuous, I think your attitude alone means you're not a "better person" |
| 16:43.59 | vacuous | cool |
| 16:44.00 | vacuous | like I said |
| 16:44.03 | vacuous | objectively prove that |
| 16:44.06 | vacuous | not subjective conjecture |
| 16:44.08 | blubberdiblub | !ops vacuous |
| 16:44.09 | jhutchins_wk | Let's stop feeding the troll please. |
| 16:44.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: blubberdiblub complains about: vacuous |
| 16:44.20 | bolt | vacuous: enter is not punctuation :) but to know if a program has "started", you probably need to prod your window manager and ask if the window is up |
| 16:44.33 | xreal | interesting: chroot: failed to run command `/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory |
| 16:44.35 | vacuous | sure |
| 16:44.38 | vacuous | how does that help me? |
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| 16:45.05 | bolt | vacuous: i may have missed your question. thought you wanted to start a program and know when it was running |
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| 16:45.13 | vacuous | nope... |
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| 16:45.29 | intore | dvs, i don't know. It was in conflict with network manager |
| 16:45.34 | vacuous | like I said, you're all so busy with your rules and regulations, you don't even listen to what has been said :S |
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| 16:45.49 | bolt | there's too much of it. please post your question on one line :) |
| 16:46.04 | jhutchins_wk | you can't run both wicd and nm. |
| 16:46.30 | xreal | uhm what's wrong here ? |
| 16:46.31 | xreal | http://paste.debian.net/204116/ |
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| 16:46.45 | vacuous | I want to run urxvtd, wait for it to start, run urxvtc with screen and irssi, also, to run xrandr, and to have this all check to make sure they cannot be run twice if the window is restarted |
| 16:46.50 | vacuous | what is the best way to go about all of this? |
| 16:47.10 | ToApolytoXaos | good evening everyone. on debian wheezy 32-bit, wxGTK package, version 2.8.12, is compiled with g++-4.6, whereas 4.7 is available now as the default g++ (at least, that is what symlink is showing). can there be an alternative compiled package with g++ 4.7? cheers |
| 16:47.22 | vacuous | I have since removed gdm because it had some issues (I won't go into that--non productive) |
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| 16:47.26 | intore | jhutchins_wk. I didn't remember and i didn't know that kde installation install nm also |
| 16:47.32 | bolt | vacuous: you can use screen with a given screen session name to make sure a session is not started twice |
| 16:47.34 | boudiccas | vacuous, write a script for it |
| 16:47.37 | vacuous | would you make an sh file? put it in xsession? if so how? |
| 16:47.42 | peterrooney | vacuous: cross posting is not taken kindly. |
| 16:47.46 | vacuous | okay |
| 16:47.54 | vacuous | I don't care |
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| 16:48.01 | intore | but, what do you think about kde |
| 16:48.05 | peterrooney | vacuous: choose your venue before asking. |
| 16:48.10 | vacuous | if you don't like it, you can kindly go fuck yourself with barbed wire |
| 16:48.16 | vacuous | if you want to ban me, do it |
| 16:48.19 | bolt | oh stop it. |
| 16:48.20 | vacuous | but quit complaining about my behaviour |
| 16:48.47 | xreal | what does this mean? chroot: failed to run command `/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory |
| 16:48.51 | vacuous | because all it does is spam up the channel more |
| 16:48.52 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: /ignore |
| 16:48.54 | peterrooney | vacuous: we care. /msg dpkg cross post, and I'm not complaining about your behaviour - I'm giving you sound guidelines to improve it |
| 16:49.01 | vacuous | you don't care, cunt |
| 16:49.02 | bolt | jhutchins_wk: i can't ignore him when i'm trying to help |
| 16:49.08 | vacuous | if you did, you wouldn't say such bullshit |
| 16:49.12 | vacuous | because what has it done to this channel? |
| 16:49.17 | blubberdiblub | xreal, it means the program usr/bin/env is missing in your chroot |
| 16:49.21 | vacuous | it's made me swear, OH NOES U DONT WANT SWEARWORDS, do you, cunt? |
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| 16:49.32 | nemuke | Hi. I find there is a lot of disk activity when browsing files on my system (wheezy, ext4). Is it possible to configure it to use more RAM for caching? |
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| 16:49.53 | xreal | blubberdiblub: then live_build is buggy |
| 16:50.08 | ag4ve | left or banned? |
| 16:50.10 | peterrooney | vacuous: you may notice you've been kicked from #bash... think carefully about why the very excellent people there would do that. |
| 16:50.12 | blubberdiblub | well, i don't know what live_build is |
| 16:50.17 | dvs | ag4ve: autobanned |
| 16:50.21 | blubberdiblub | ag4ve, got quietened and left |
| 16:50.29 | peterS | ag4ve: quieted, not banned, then he apparently left voluntarily at about the same time |
| 16:50.29 | format_c | nemuke, if RAM would be the lack, you'r swap partition would be utilized. You can observe in top |
| 16:50.45 | peterS | ag4ve: I was about to specifically tell him why he got the +q but didn't have a chance |
| 16:50.47 | xreal | could anyone have a look please? http://paste.debian.net/204116/ |
| 16:50.48 | peterrooney | Wow. Some people SHOULD be on Prozac. |
| 16:50.52 | Armand | Yup |
| 16:50.57 | Armand | Or cyanide |
| 16:51.12 | ag4ve | *shrug* guess that's one way to do it :) |
| 16:51.19 | nemuke | format_c: lack of memory it's not the problem. What I would like is the system to use more of it. |
| 16:51.19 | Armand | Best way, I think. ;) |
| 16:51.19 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: I looked and didn't see a problem. |
| 16:51.23 | babilen | ... lets move on please |
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| 16:51.39 | xreal | jhutchins_wk: okay, then live_build is really buggy :( |
| 16:51.40 | hays | ooh the etc-aliases man page for exim4 makes me a little nervous: "BUGS Plenty. Please report them through the Debian BTS" |
| 16:51.43 | peterrooney | how to add e16 to alternatives system? |
| 16:51.47 | jelly-home | xreal: if people in here don't answer, try #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 16:51.54 | xreal | jelly-home thx |
| 16:52.09 | jelly-home | xreal: you did not show what the problem was tho |
| 16:52.23 | xreal | jelly-home: chroot: failed to run command `/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory |
| 16:52.26 | bolt | nemuke: try disabling atime on directories and files on the drive. if whatever you're browsing the drive with is generating and checking thumbnails and such, that will generate lots of extra activity |
| 16:52.36 | jelly-home | xreal: on which command? |
| 16:52.39 | bolt | on the mount, i mean. not drive |
| 16:52.46 | xreal | jelly-home: lb build |
| 16:53.16 | jelly-home | xreal: did coreutils get installed before that point? |
| 16:53.17 | nemuke | bolt: thanks, that will help. :) |
| 16:53.40 | xreal | jelly-home: I think, it's part of debootstrab ? |
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| 16:54.13 | ag4ve | xreal: debootstrap shouldn't chroot i don't think, i think it just does fakeroot |
| 16:54.22 | jelly-home | xreal: try to provide complete output when you ask the debian-live people about it |
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| 16:55.00 | xreal | ag4ve: debootstrap is the first stage of this process, I think |
| 16:55.03 | xreal | jelly-home: ok |
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| 16:55.20 | ag4ve | xreal: of what process? |
| 16:55.48 | ag4ve | iirc, it isn't on install cds so... |
| 16:56.14 | xreal | ag4ve: I'm creating a live-cd |
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| 16:56.49 | ag4ve | oh, than yeah, debootstrap is probably the first of the process |
| 16:59.40 | ag4ve | xreal: fyi, you can look at what i've done here (it might work) and you'd just replace the grup stuff with syslinux or something similar: https://github.com/ag4ve/vm-tmpl/blob/raw/mstrap.sh (you'll need a multistrap config which i've got in the repo, but master doesn't work and i haven't fully tested so haven't merged) |
| 17:01.05 | xreal | ag4ve: 17 minutes ago, my code worked fine. |
| 17:01.17 | nemuke | bolt: disabling thumbnails helped quite a bit, thanks. |
| 17:01.18 | ag4ve | but, if you're creating a custom install cd (and not a live-cd) you probably want fai |
| 17:01.48 | ag4ve | xreal: that's why you should work in a rcs repo |
| 17:02.06 | xreal | ag4ve: :P |
| 17:02.16 | xreal | ag4ve: your script is for installation on a harddisk, isn't it ? |
| 17:02.18 | ag4ve | shit, half my damn machine is a git repo :) |
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| 17:02.48 | ag4ve | yeah, that's what i said, you'd have to change out grub for syslinux |
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| 17:04.45 | xreal | ag4ve: that's not the problem :) |
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| 17:05.09 | ag4ve | xreal: yeah, chroot is messing up |
| 17:05.24 | ag4ve | or probably something before that that is making chroot mess up |
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| 17:05.52 | xreal | ag4ve: I want to create a fast booting live ISO, which I can mount using grub as a thinclient. |
| 17:06.07 | xreal | the first version I did some minutes ago took 11 seconds to boot :) |
| 17:06.29 | ag4ve | huh |
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| 17:06.54 | shrim | my laptop boots very fast |
| 17:07.10 | shrim | but i have to manually start x |
| 17:07.11 | ag4ve | a few years ago, there was a thinclient distro that had all of the ica/ts/rdp/etc clients on it |
| 17:07.22 | xreal | ag4ve: that's thinstation |
| 17:07.30 | ag4ve | ah, yeah |
| 17:07.31 | xreal | ag4ve: it stops booting after some seconds here. |
| 17:07.49 | xreal | ag4ve: I'll better use a nice customised Debian Live CD ... |
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| 17:07.49 | ag4ve | xreal: so yours is faster? |
| 17:07.56 | xreal | ag4ve: No, but it's ... it's MINE :) |
| 17:08.18 | ag4ve | xreal: *er? |
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| 17:08.27 | ag4ve | oh mine |
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| 17:08.44 | ag4ve | stops switching windows so fast |
| 17:08.45 | xreal | yeah, it makes a good feeling while booting. |
| 17:08.52 | tjiggi_fo | best reason |
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| 17:09.35 | speedstick | getting not found for aptitude install curl |
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| 17:09.57 | speedstick | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/curl/libcurl3_7.27.0-1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 17:10.06 | new[] | Anyone know why my CD-ROM isn't showing up?: "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist" |
| 17:10.13 | speedstick | any ideas? |
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| 17:10.50 | ag4ve | new[]: i haven't seen a scsi cdrom in some time... you're probably sd or some other device? |
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| 17:11.06 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 17:11.11 | MrFrood | eek, how dose one downlaod from gopher sites without curl? speedstick have you tried a differnt mirror? |
| 17:11.18 | mallxs | I havre a new fresh install on a Sabertooth Z77 MotherBoard .. and sometimes the mouse goes really slow and only a power recycle will fix it; any idea's for a real fix ? |
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| 17:11.51 | frikinz | speedstick: you need to run aptitude update, .27 doesn't exists. either .26 or .28 :) |
| 17:12.13 | f8l | speedstick: Does `apt-get update` help? |
| 17:12.18 | Nik05 | im on wheezy and im trying to compile gcc |
| 17:12.23 | speedstick | thanks, found moments before you wrote that, still much appreciated :) going to give it a go |
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| 17:12.28 | Nik05 | and ld is a little confused about multiarch |
| 17:12.41 | Nik05 | what is the correct way to solve this (without symlinks)? |
| 17:13.23 | speedstick | Current status: 299 updates [+32], 934 new [+403]. |
| 17:13.42 | ag4ve | Nik05: you're trying to bootstrap gcc for another arch? |
| 17:13.46 | new[] | ag4ve: uh, not sure? It's just a laptop... |
| 17:13.55 | Nik05 | no on my system |
| 17:14.05 | Nik05 | x86_64 |
| 17:14.07 | speedstick | that got it done, thanks |
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| 17:14.37 | Nik05 | but /usr/bin/ld cannot find crti.o |
| 17:14.40 | ag4ve | new[]: right, like i said, you are trying to mount the wrong device - scd probably doesn't exist if you're running udev |
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| 17:14.55 | Nik05 | which is in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 17:14.57 | new[] | ag4ve: /etc/fstab lists /dev/cdrom0 => /dev/scd0 |
| 17:15.42 | ag4ve | new[]: install eject and type: eject /dev/scd0 and see what it does |
| 17:15.51 | new[] | Any ideas on how to properly create the /dev/scd0 node? |
| 17:15.55 | ag4ve | i'm betting it tells you there's nothing there |
| 17:16.13 | new[] | ag4ve: eject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/scd0' |
| 17:16.23 | ag4ve | you want to figure out where your cdrom is (probably easily found in dmsg) |
| 17:16.34 | ag4ve | and than add it to fstab proper |
| 17:16.35 | new[] | I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be there but missing for some reason |
| 17:16.42 | ag4ve | otherwise you'll be fighting udev |
| 17:16.49 | new[] | `dmesg|grep ROM` returns nothing |
| 17:17.02 | HazardX | I'd say your CDROM is bad or not connected |
| 17:17.10 | HazardX | *OR* the driver for its interface didn't load |
| 17:17.17 | HazardX | (or dosen't exsist) |
| 17:17.19 | new[] | HazardX: Nope, I get the option from BIOS before GRUB to boot from disc.... |
| 17:17.28 | ag4ve | Nik05: -I/whatever should work |
| 17:17.29 | new[] | [ 0.684680] SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 17:17.50 | new[] | udev is failing for some reason or something ... |
| 17:18.14 | new[] | Any idea how to force udev to reconfigure / manually add scd0 ? |
| 17:18.16 | HazardX | there should be a persistant-cd file somewhere in udev's config |
| 17:18.18 | Nik05 | ag4ve but why isnt ld looking there on default? |
| 17:18.32 | ag4ve | Nik05: /etc/ld.conf iirc |
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| 17:18.38 | HazardX | delete all the entries in it and reboot and see if it regenerates any (it should if it actually sees a device) |
| 17:18.52 | jelly-home | new[]: is there perchance a /dev/sr0 instead? |
| 17:18.55 | new[] | too dangerous >_> |
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| 17:19.04 | new[] | jelly-home: No |
| 17:19.17 | jelly-home | new[]: or any /dev/{scd,sr}* ? |
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| 17:20.01 | new[] | jelly-home: None |
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| 17:20.11 | Nik05 | ok ag4ve but should debian wheeze/sid do that on default? |
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| 17:20.20 | Nik05 | cause they changed to multiarch right? |
| 17:20.34 | ag4ve | Nik05: no idea |
| 17:20.37 | Nik05 | ok |
| 17:21.19 | ag4ve | i use debian because it gets in my way the least and has a decent packaging system. the rest i couldn't give a crap about :) |
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| 17:22.58 | ag4ve | Nik05: but, unless there's a line that says # don't change me, something will revert me. change to your heart's content as far as i'm conserned - dpkg ***shouldn't*** screw you |
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| 17:24.16 | jelly-home | ag4ve, Nik05: do not confuse ld with ld.so and its /etc/ld.so.* config |
| 17:24.27 | Nik05 | ok ;p |
| 17:24.37 | Nik05 | cause that is for shared libs right? |
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| 17:24.45 | Nik05 | i know i need the ld for linking |
| 17:24.56 | ag4ve | that shouldn't is there because i used to install perl libraries under cpan and spent a day repairing a dist-upgrade. i learned a lot about how much to trust packages that day. |
| 17:26.09 | ag4ve | ld links a .o into a binary. ldconfig is a cache of libraries on your system. |
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| 17:27.10 | Nik05 | yes ok |
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| 17:27.45 | new[] | Anyone??? I thought we would be at the point where simple CD-ROM bugs wouldn't be introduced? :-/ This worked in Lenny... |
| 17:28.14 | ag4ve | new[]: what is your hdd called? |
| 17:28.26 | new[] | I think I may be missing a driver package or something >_> |
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| 17:29.00 | new[] | ag4ve: Uh? Using what command to check? It's just a simply HP laptop |
| 17:29.01 | ag4ve | if you're on a laptop, i'd suspect the cdrom and hdd are on the same bus |
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| 17:29.23 | ag4ve | df, mount, whatever |
| 17:29.37 | new[] | oh, the mount point? it's /dev/sda1 ... |
| 17:29.59 | ag4ve | ok, type ls -l /dev/sda* |
| 17:30.18 | ag4ve | column 5, is '0'? |
| 17:30.43 | ag4ve | errr, column 5 is '8'? |
| 17:30.48 | new[] | yes |
| 17:30.53 | ag4ve | which? |
| 17:30.56 | new[] | All? |
| 17:31.07 | new[] | sda, sda1, sda2, sda5 |
| 17:31.17 | new[] | (8) |
| 17:31.53 | ag4ve | 8 ok, so let me figure out how to parse dev for everything with a major number of 8 and your cdrom might be there |
| 17:32.24 | new[] | ls -l /dev|grep '8,' # ? |
| 17:32.37 | new[] | only non-sda is 'ppp' ... {doubt that's it} |
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| 17:34.36 | new[] | dmesg has nothing about either "ROM" or "DVD" |
| 17:35.38 | Nik05 | neeeeeeeeee |
| 17:35.51 | Nik05 | ho wrong channel :p |
| 17:35.55 | Nik05 | got a compile error :p |
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| 17:36.24 | ag4ve | meh, something like this, but i'm messing something up: ls -l /dev | awk '{if ($5==8) { print $0} }' |
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| 17:38.54 | ag4ve | new[]: at any rate, if you want, you can ls -l /dev | grep '8,' and see what comes up... it should be the same driver as your hdd, but idk |
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| 17:39.02 | ag4ve | best thing would be to find it in dmsg |
| 17:39.14 | new[] | i just said it's not there |
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| 17:39.32 | new[] | Only my hard drive is listed with lshw -C disk |
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| 17:40.33 | new[] | exceedingly annoying |
| 17:40.39 | ag4ve | new[]: you could also try tail -F /var/log/dmsg and pop the cdrom out, and push it back in and see if anything pops up |
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| 17:41.20 | ag4ve | idk whether cdroms send events because i don't use them, but it's something to try |
| 17:41.38 | new[] | no, nothing happens when i do this... |
| 17:41.53 | new[] | dmesg doesn't list anything about "DVD" "ROM" "rom" "dvd" ... etc |
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| 17:42.13 | new[] | there's some fundamental issue at the point where it should register the device Arghhhh |
| 17:42.29 | ag4ve | yeah, when you tail that log, it doesn't move? |
| 17:42.34 | new[] | nope |
| 17:43.35 | ag4ve | google the model of notebook and see what pops up. assuming there's no mechanical issue. if it's an issue, someone is bound to have posted something about it. |
| 17:43.58 | new[] | yeah the drive works fine, like i said i can boot from disc at BIOS before GRUB |
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| 17:44.25 | new[] | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/Compaq%206910p |
| 17:44.28 | ag4ve | well, than like i said, google |
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| 17:44.36 | new[] | "Detect CD/DVD: [thumbs up]" |
| 17:44.49 | new[] | some uncommon problem here :( |
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| 17:47.19 | new[] | I think something triggered this too.. because i think this device used to work on this same system earlier |
| 17:47.34 | new[] | (just don't remember how long ago cause i've had no need to try recently) |
| 17:47.43 | new[] | and i don't think it's a hardware failure either |
| 17:48.02 | new[] | some kind of package/config issue i may have caused on accident... @.@ |
| 17:48.10 | new[] | no idea how/what though |
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| 17:54.24 | hays | Is it possible to get apt-get to skip a file I am having trouble with installing? (Java7 install is aborting because apt doesn't have a "accept terms of license" cookie |
| 17:54.33 | mmnicolas | what could prevent a bridge from passing SSDP stuff ? miniupnpc used to work even inside my LXC containers, now for some reason it won't work even on the host |
| 17:55.09 | mmnicolas | works fine when I comment out the bridge and revert to a single interface |
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| 17:56.44 | mmnicolas | http://paste.debian.net/204144/ |
| 17:57.57 | Wizard | Debian, I'd like to thank you for keeping old version of kontact, saving me from akonadi hell. Thank you so much! |
| 17:58.05 | HelenB | libreoffice outputs "ERROR 4 forking process%" |
| 17:58.08 | HelenB | It wont start. |
| 17:58.15 | HelenB | How do I fix this problem? |
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| 17:59.35 | mmnicolas | HelenB: backup and/or remove your user's config, rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice |
| 17:59.39 | ag4ve | new[]: if you had etckeeper or a similar setup, i'd say look at the diffs. you don't so you'll probably need to find someone who has setup gentoo on that box and figure out what they did |
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| 18:00.54 | cardiel | Im having trouble with fail2ban. Fail2ban wont ban any ip even if fail2ban is running and ssh jail is loaded |
| 18:01.12 | cardiel | Someone know what could be the problem? |
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| 18:01.40 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I've tried that already. :/ |
| 18:02.34 | HelenB | oh come on |
| 18:02.36 | HelenB | :/ |
| 18:02.43 | HelenB | I've been trying to fix this problem for days now |
| 18:02.48 | mmnicolas | HelenB: even with a new user ? |
| 18:02.49 | HelenB | and non of u know of a solution |
| 18:02.55 | ag4ve | cardiel: last i looked, fail2ban hadn't been maintained in almost 4 years. my recommendation would be an iptables rule |
| 18:03.01 | HelenB | mmnicolas: no |
| 18:03.19 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I don't want multipul users on my system |
| 18:03.56 | mmnicolas | HelenB: there's adduser and there is also deluser |
| 18:04.02 | HelenB | I know |
| 18:04.14 | cardiel | ag4ve, ok .. but i wanted to use fail2ban for more than ssh. for apache , pop3 etc. Is there any other alternative? |
| 18:04.15 | HelenB | but mmnicolas I don't want multipul users on my system |
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| 18:04.32 | themill | you can try to fix problems or you can reject every suggestion made. |
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| 18:04.36 | mmnicolas | HelenB: ..for the sake of troubleshooting it |
| 18:04.41 | HelenB | okays |
| 18:04.44 | mmnicolas | -a |
| 18:05.42 | HelenB | No protocol specified |
| 18:05.48 | HelenB | Failed to open display |
| 18:05.50 | HelenB | noooo |
| 18:05.52 | HelenB | same line :/ |
| 18:05.54 | HelenB | sighs |
| 18:05.57 | HelenB | sorry |
| 18:06.00 | ag4ve | cardiel: something like this? -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name DEFAULT --rsource |
| 18:06.04 | ag4ve | -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 600 --hitcount 2 --name DEFAULT --rsource -j DROP |
| 18:06.07 | HelenB | mmnicolas: then after that I get the same error as before |
| 18:06.46 | ag4ve | cardiel: you might look at what snort can do and hooking that up to iptables |
| 18:06.48 | mmnicolas | HelenB: can we get the full output when you run it in console ? in some pastebin |
| 18:06.56 | peterrooney | ag4ve: what about denyhosts? |
| 18:07.00 | cardiel | ag4ve, ok so i could use a similiar rule for every service im running? |
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| 18:07.27 | ag4ve | cardiel: yeah, i mean a similar rule |
| 18:07.46 | mmnicolas | HelenB: and if you could include the results of `debsums -a | grep -v OK` |
| 18:08.09 | ag4ve | that says, if you connect 3 times in 10 minutes, to block you for 10 minutes |
| 18:08.20 | ag4ve | so, you probably don't want that with apache |
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| 18:09.03 | HelenB | omfg |
| 18:09.08 | cardiel | ag4ve, ok , but can snort do the same thing? |
| 18:09.09 | HelenB | this is getting awkward |
| 18:09.15 | ag4ve | for apache, there are tons of things you can implement - a general waf (and you can pay big $$ for them too) or mod_security which relies on regex |
| 18:09.18 | mmnicolas | HelenB: the second one is to check the integrity of packages |
| 18:10.08 | ag4ve | cardiel: snort can report or block based on rules - see ids |
| 18:10.32 | cardiel | ag4ve, ok thanks for the information. |
| 18:10.43 | ag4ve | for many reasons, that's not the best thing for a web server. which is why i mention mod_security or a waf |
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| 18:11.44 | ag4ve | cardiel: otoh, if fail2ban is doing what you want, might as well use it. just see if it's been updated. because like i said, about 8 months ago, it hadn't been updated in almost 4 years |
| 18:11.50 | ag4ve | iirc |
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| 18:13.11 | HelenB | mmnicolas: everything is outputting FAILED |
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| 18:13.44 | chrish_ | How can I copy my Kmuto iso to a USB? I heard using dd doesn't work? |
| 18:13.57 | mmnicolas | HelenB: that's the point, some things should be "FAILED" some shouldn't please pastebinit |
| 18:15.01 | mmnicolas | chrish_: if dd doesn't work use unetbootin, it'll wrap it in something bootable |
| 18:15.15 | chrish_ | mnicolas: Cheers |
| 18:15.39 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I can't seem to pipe it to pastebinit |
| 18:15.39 | HelenB | :/ |
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| 18:16.14 | mmnicolas | chrish_: what's a Kmuto iso ? |
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| 18:16.28 | dvs | !kmuto |
| 18:16.28 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 18:16.29 | HelenB | mmnicolas: Actually... |
| 18:16.32 | HelenB | I can pipe it |
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| 18:16.39 | mmnicolas | HelenB: then copy/paste it through the web interface |
| 18:16.41 | HelenB | ignore me |
| 18:16.48 | HelenB | mmnicolas: just ignore me on that one |
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| 18:17.16 | shrim | hmm |
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| 18:18.24 | mmnicolas | dvs: oh |
| 18:18.34 | HelenB | mmnicolas: moooooooo |
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| 18:19.51 | mb0y | hai ppls |
| 18:19.51 | Wizard | O, ludmar. |
| 18:19.57 | mmnicolas | HelenB: pastebin link ? |
| 18:20.11 | HelenB | mmnicolas: it hasn't finished yet. :/ |
| 18:20.19 | HelenB | and it's using up all my CPU |
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| 18:21.53 | HelenB | is listening to Lighthouse Family - Lifted |
| 18:22.26 | HelenB | ooooh noooo |
| 18:22.32 | HelenB | CPU coool down :/ |
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| 18:23.50 | mmnicolas | HelenB: just use your mouse, select the text and paste it in the web form |
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| 18:24.02 | HelenB | mmnicolas: no |
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| 18:24.11 | HelenB | command hasn't finished executing |
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| 18:24.21 | mmnicolas | ...wordsplitting much ? |
| 18:24.21 | genesis | f8l : final contractor call me changing his mind ;) |
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| 18:24.35 | HelenB | mmnicolas: huh? |
| 18:24.45 | mmnicolas | how did you pipe that ? |
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| 18:24.56 | f8l | genesis: So which version does he want now? |
| 18:25.03 | HelenB | mmnicolas: CPU: 100% |
| 18:25.14 | HelenB | I piped it to pastebinit |
| 18:25.26 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me whatsthe latest version of debian ? and how do i look up my version of my distro ? |
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| 18:25.55 | genesis | f8l : latest squeeze should be fine. |
| 18:26.34 | mmnicolas | HelenB: you mean like `lowriter | pastebinit` |
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| 18:26.41 | HelenB | mmnicolas: Yes |
| 18:26.54 | f8l | genesis: Good for you. It's much easier to get. :-) |
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| 18:27.10 | HelenB | f8l: :-3 |
| 18:27.30 | mmnicolas | HelenB: as you can see it's not working, it should have taken seconds |
| 18:27.42 | Agiofws | latest version of debian is squeeze ? |
| 18:27.46 | genesis | sure; and QT library are less older than that |
| 18:27.52 | HelenB | mmnicolas: It's taking just as long without the pastebinit command |
| 18:27.59 | genesis | ( i'm gentoiste in ~arch ) |
| 18:28.02 | f8l | HelenB: Oo? |
| 18:28.09 | HelenB | it takes 10 seconds just to execute a command on this system |
| 18:28.44 | HelenB | my this computer has a fucked up brain |
| 18:29.03 | Agiofws | hey am i invisible ? can anyone just respond ? |
| 18:29.11 | oskie | hello, I'm trying to install wheezy netinst, but it has trouble finding firmware. I tried to place the requested files on a USB stick (in /firmware/), but no go. So I tried the netinst image WITH firmware drivers - but same thing. It still does not find the firmware files. |
| 18:29.14 | HelenB | Agiofws: heyy :3 |
| 18:29.18 | HelenB | (responded) |
| 18:29.46 | HelenB | f8l: :-D |
| 18:29.49 | blubberdiblub | HelenB, mmnicolas, debsums can take a considerable amount of time on slow systems |
| 18:29.54 | mmnicolas | oskie: then the firmware files do not exists, which one is it requesting ? |
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| 18:30.18 | Agiofws | ok |
| 18:30.36 | oskie | mmnicolas: it's requesting iwlwifi-6000-{6,5,4}.ucode, and they are there! |
| 18:30.39 | Agiofws | is debians latest version squeeze ? |
| 18:30.40 | f8l | HelenB: I'm puzzled. Are you testing if I'm a bot or something? |
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| 18:30.47 | mmnicolas | blubberdiblub: we're waiting for libreoffice |
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| 18:31.58 | blubberdiblub | mmnicolas, okay, sorry. i thought you requested debsums -a output |
| 18:32.16 | HelenB | O M F G ! |
| 18:32.26 | HelenB | libreoffice just went out of my buffer |
| 18:32.31 | HelenB | for god sake |
| 18:32.32 | mmnicolas | blubberdiblub: both |
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| 18:33.35 | HelenB | mmnicolas: Is there no easier way of doing this?! :/ |
| 18:34.05 | mmnicolas | HelenB: You could directly, memtest that unit and check the SMARTS data, that's where I'm headed to with that |
| 18:35.05 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I guess I'll have to reboot into memtest. :/ |
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| 18:37.28 | HelenB | COME ON SPEED UP NOW!!! |
| 18:37.59 | mmnicolas | Maybe some cleaning and new thermal paste too |
| 18:38.08 | HelenB | huggles Tree_Hugger |
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| 18:38.37 | HelenB | mmnicolas: The CPU is mount soldered. :/ |
| 18:38.46 | HelenB | solder mounted even |
| 18:39.00 | mmnicolas | and the heatsink too ? |
| 18:39.08 | HelenB | no heatsink |
| 18:39.13 | new[] | Why doesn't dmesg list my CD drive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:39.20 | HelenB | Temp: 80C |
| 18:39.45 | mmnicolas | no heatsink. |
| 18:39.47 | chrish_ | no heatsink.. 0.o |
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| 18:40.10 | HelenB | mmnicolas: no heatsink :-) |
| 18:40.16 | mmnicolas | that's kind of necessary you know |
| 18:40.16 | HelenB | chrish_: :-) |
| 18:40.29 | HelenB | mmnicolas: kay |
| 18:40.41 | chrish_ | HelenB: Is your computer case smoking? |
| 18:40.42 | oskie | is it possible to netinst debian over WPA wifi? |
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| 18:40.51 | HelenB | chrish_: no, whyy? |
| 18:41.01 | chrish_ | oskie: Kmuto |
| 18:41.08 | dvs | oskie: no, not squeeze |
| 18:41.23 | chrish_ | oskie: use Kmuto, see here http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:41.25 | oskie | dvs: do you know if wheezy supports it? |
| 18:41.25 | HelenB | can imagine mmnicolas and chrish_'s mobile with a heatsink hanging out |
| 18:41.33 | oskie | chrish_: thanks, will look into it |
| 18:41.38 | dvs | oskie: yes |
| 18:42.07 | mmnicolas | HelenB: mobile as in laptop or as in handheld ? |
| 18:42.08 | chrish_ | HelenB: :D |
| 18:42.35 | chrish_ | my cpu is -13 degrees |
| 18:42.37 | chrish_ | c |
| 18:42.43 | HelenB | debsums: missing file /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin (from libreoffice-core package) |
| 18:42.49 | HelenB | mmnicolas: As in ur cell phone |
| 18:42.50 | HelenB | :/ |
| 18:42.56 | mmnicolas | HelenB: see. |
| 18:43.06 | mmnicolas | that looks like an important file |
| 18:43.11 | HelenB | :/ |
| 18:43.25 | mmnicolas | how about `aptitude reinstall libreoffice-core` |
| 18:43.29 | HelenB | that command wasn't run as root, you know? |
| 18:44.09 | mmnicolas | yea it would have said "can't open" if that was a problem |
| 18:44.31 | HelenB | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the libreoffice-core package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 18:44.41 | HelenB | E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
| 18:44.44 | HelenB | mmnicolas: ^ |
| 18:44.49 | mmnicolas | aptitude update |
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| 18:45.48 | HelenB | even tho I update often :/ |
| 18:45.55 | chrish_ | is there a way to remove all files in a directory at once? |
| 18:45.56 | HelenB | COME ON! |
| 18:46.03 | HelenB | SPEED UP APT UR TAKING THE PISS! |
| 18:46.08 | HelenB | :/ |
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| 18:46.14 | mmnicolas | so you're running debian on what phone exactly ? |
| 18:46.24 | HelenB | I'm not running it on a phone :/ |
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| 18:46.38 | rubidious | Hi, is there a way to view the messages apt-get spits out (in 'more') about specific packages? For instance, there was a message in the last dist-upgrade I did about nvidia drivers and ia32-libs, but I can't recall it. It was mailed to me, but that seems to have disappeared on reboot. |
| 18:47.04 | HelenB | mmnicolas: same errors |
| 18:47.07 | HelenB | sighs |
| 18:47.59 | rubidious | chrish_: rm *, or go up a directory and do rm -R dirname |
| 18:48.05 | blubberdiblub | rubidious, probably check the news files. like: zcat /usr/share/doc/*nvidia*/NEWS.* | less |
| 18:48.05 | mmnicolas | HelenB: anyway, something corrupted your installation, until you find out what it is theres no point in fixing it |
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| 18:48.19 | HelenB | mmnicolas: :/ |
| 18:48.32 | HelenB | mmnicolas: duplicate repos? |
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| 18:48.36 | HelenB | O.o |
| 18:48.50 | HelenB | is listening to Ace Of Base - Beautiful Life |
| 18:49.14 | mmnicolas | definitely hardware failure mixed with some unrelated apt misconfiguration |
| 18:49.16 | rubidious | blubberdiblub: sexy, thanks. I had no idea these files existed. |
| 18:49.26 | HelenB | mmnicolas: Dafuq?! |
| 18:49.28 | HelenB | whyy is it... |
| 18:49.36 | HelenB | all the computers I get my hands on |
| 18:49.41 | HelenB | have hardware failures?! |
| 18:49.44 | HelenB | EVERY ONE OF EM |
| 18:49.46 | HelenB | :/ |
| 18:49.53 | HelenB | bloody winds me up |
| 18:49.55 | rubidious | maybe there's something wrong with your hands |
| 18:49.57 | HelenB | listen to this |
| 18:50.00 | rainfyre | maybe it's too much bass |
| 18:50.01 | HelenB | I broke three network cards |
| 18:50.05 | HelenB | THREE OF EM |
| 18:50.07 | HelenB | WITHIN A WEEK |
| 18:50.11 | Agiofws | hey could anyone tell my if my distro is 32 or 64 bit and if i would have any benefits on a 64bit system with 2gb of ram on a "Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz" thank you |
| 18:50.17 | mmnicolas | HelenB: static due to hair dryer ;) |
| 18:50.24 | HelenB | mmnicolas: ... |
| 18:50.36 | HelenB | Dafuq?! |
| 18:50.46 | HelenB | I don't hair dry my headsink |
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| 18:50.51 | HelenB | *heatsink |
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| 18:51.23 | rudi_s | Agiofws: uname -a to check if the system is 32 or 64. But 32 bit should be enough as you don't have too much memory. |
| 18:51.28 | rainfyre | Agiofws: I don't know if your distro is 32 or 64 bit but my debian installs seem to crunch numbers faster on 64 bit |
| 18:51.57 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I literally plug myself and computer into the wall just to destaticate when fixing a computer... |
| 18:52.01 | HelenB | then they break on me |
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| 18:52.07 | mmnicolas | Agiofws: check the cpu flags in /proc/cpuinfo, for intel you're looking for EMT64 |
| 18:52.08 | HelenB | :/ |
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| 18:52.40 | HelenB | yes I do it pro with ESD mats and stuff |
| 18:52.44 | hays | is there a more recent guide to setting up an ssh chroot? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 18:52.45 | mmnicolas | HelenB: what is this phone anyway ? |
| 18:52.52 | HelenB | I don't get how my computers fail soo quickly |
| 18:52.55 | hays | ^^ the above refers to Debian 3.0 |
| 18:53.05 | HelenB | like my desktop fried itself after I cleaned out the heatsink |
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| 18:53.18 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I told u a millian times... |
| 18:53.22 | HelenB | It's NOT a phone!!! |
| 18:53.25 | mmnicolas | hays: LXC is modern |
| 18:53.31 | Agiofws | mmnicolas, http://codepad.org/UiiWp8fD ? |
| 18:54.00 | HelenB | mmnicolas: Can I tell u something hilarious in PM? |
| 18:54.04 | rudi_s | hays: For sftp it's simple and ssh can do it. For real logins just use debootstrap and mount /proc and /dev/pts inside (though that may be dangerous)! And remember chroots are not really secure. |
| 18:54.10 | HelenB | I feel it would get innappropiate here |
| 18:54.28 | rudi_s | Which is also true for LXC btw. It's not like FreeBSD jails which really (try to) separate the systems. |
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| 18:54.38 | rudi_s | Better use a VM if you need that. |
| 18:54.54 | mmnicolas | Agiofws: ahh apparently they renamed that but all Core 2 can do 64bit iirc |
| 18:55.11 | HelenB | mmnicolas: I'll just PM u anyway |
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| 18:55.50 | Agiofws | what are the benefits of ... installing a 64bit distro compared to my 32 bit squeeze ? |
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| 18:56.09 | cbrunos | hi, I'm on linux mint debian edition (basically debian testing) on a 64bits machine and was wondering what is the best way to install wine? I installed the wine package from the repos, but when trying to launch games via steam I get a bunch of missing dlls errors whereas on Ubuntu the games work |
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| 18:56.18 | rudi_s | Agiofws: You can address more memory and some algorithms are faster. Oh, and you get better NX. |
| 18:56.34 | Agiofws | NX ? |
| 18:56.51 | rudi_s | Agiofws: No-Execute bit, prevents executing code in writable segments, e.g. on the stack. |
| 18:56.54 | rainfyre | cbrunos: there's a great blog post about that on the web if you google it, and the #linuxmint-debian room is on irc.spotchat.org |
| 18:56.56 | Agiofws | would some apps run faster ? ? could blender render faster sceners ? |
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| 18:57.12 | rudi_s | Agiofws: AFAIK no. |
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| 18:57.15 | cbrunos | rainfyre: ok, thanks for the pointers! |
| 18:57.27 | rainfyre | cbrunos: you're welcome, I love lmde |
| 18:57.29 | mmnicolas | Agiofws: in some aspect you get better performance, better handling of huge amounts of anything and you survive the 2038 bug |
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| 18:58.26 | Agiofws | if i compile blender on a 32 bit system it won;t alocate more than 1GB of ram which is really a pain ... |
| 18:58.57 | rudi_s | Agiofws: Sounds like a blender problem. |
| 18:59.26 | Agiofws | right |
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| 19:02.03 | ghgdqfq | hi everyone |
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| 19:03.31 | ghgdqfq | I'm installing debiab as an lvm over a three drive RAID 5, and grub-install is not working. I cannot - |
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| 19:04.21 | ghgdqfq | find any pointer on how to give the right parameter for grub-install. Any hints ? |
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| 19:05.43 | HelenB_ | mmnicolas: :-) |
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| 19:13.16 | blubberdiblub | ghgdqfq, how is it not working? what's the exact output? |
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| 19:13.59 | HelenB | mmnicolas: ^ |
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| 19:17.11 | MarkS- | Hello, with Debian Wheezy I get the following error when trying to add a new kernel module: Error: /lib/modules/3.2.0-3-amd64/build sources are not configured |
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| 19:17.29 | MarkS- | What package do I need to solve this? (or should I downgrade) |
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| 19:19.48 | staykov | hey, im having problems scrolling in iceweasel using the arrow keys |
| 19:20.10 | staykov | anyone dealt with this before? |
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| 19:20.31 | simonlnu | click in page, use keys |
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| 19:20.55 | abrotman | staykov: caret mode? |
| 19:21.23 | simonlnu | could be that too |
| 19:22.07 | staykov | abrotman: sweet thank you, that was it |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 19:47.33 | mmnicolas | any idea why SSDP wouldn't go through a bridge ? |
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| 19:49.45 | StyXman | I have a new lenovo t430 which came with a Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [8086:0085] and even whe iwlwifi detects the device, I can't connect to any wifi spot (not even those which are open). a friend told me to set 11n_disable=1, but it doesn't change. any hints? |
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| 19:51.41 | abrotman | StyXman: firmware installed? |
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| 19:54.20 | StyXman | abrotman: yes, the device seem to work |
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| 19:56.35 | StyXman | http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7787 |
| 19:56.49 | abrotman | StyXman: what's uname -r ? |
| 19:57.06 | StyXman | right now, 3.3.6 from experimental |
| 19:57.14 | StyXman | previous kernels lock the computer |
| 19:57.27 | StyXman | 3.3.0-trunk-amd64 |
| 19:57.33 | StyXman | I tried 3.4 too |
| 19:57.45 | abrotman | and you got the firmware package from unstable also ? |
| 19:57.48 | ratcheer | StyXman: networkmanager, wicd, or something else? |
| 19:57.52 | StyXman | latest kernel from debian sid locks the computer |
| 19:57.57 | StyXman | ratcheer: wicd |
| 19:58.08 | StyXman | abrotman: hmm, not sure |
| 19:58.10 | HelenB | :o |
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| 19:58.25 | abrotman | HelenB: that's not appropriate,please control yourself |
| 19:58.28 | ratcheer | Then make sure networkmanager is removed |
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| 19:58.54 | StyXman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.54 | StyXman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.06 | abrotman | StyXman: what about the rfkill package? |
| 19:59.12 | StyXman | abrotman: hmm |
| 19:59.37 | StyXman | abrotman: i dont have it, should I?> |
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| 20:00.04 | StyXman | ratcheer: it's not removed, but it's not running |
| 20:01.16 | ratcheer | Ok. When I had a similar problem, some of the research I did indicated that nm should be removed when trying to use wicd. But I solved it in another way. |
| 20:01.30 | StyXman | ratcheer: ok, noted |
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| 20:01.47 | abrotman | StyXman: you might need it |
| 20:02.16 | ratcheer | Yes, I went back to networkmanager, then it magically worked. |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | n-m works pretty well these days |
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| 20:03.22 | Krigsforbryter | have apt-get a log over installed/updated packages? |
| 20:03.35 | abrotman | Krigsforbryter: /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:04.21 | Krigsforbryter | abrotman: tnx :) |
| 20:04.25 | ratcheer | Krigsforbryter: Also /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 20:04.46 | StyXman | abrotman: ok, let's see |
| 20:04.53 | oskie | does anyone know where to place X mouse settings in wheezy? i have no xorg.conf and i can't seem to create one either |
| 20:06.09 | xreal | Anyone with an idea, why my dpkg-reconfigure doesn't come up with frontend ? |
| 20:06.24 | abrotman | xreal: because you set it to not have one? |
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| 20:06.38 | abrotman | oskie: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 20:06.49 | xreal | abrotman: how can I set it to the "normal" frontend? is it debconf ? |
| 20:07.24 | abrotman | xreal: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:07.37 | xreal | did that already |
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| 20:07.49 | xreal | I'm in a chroot, is that important ? |
| 20:07.53 | abrotman | xreal: man dpkg-reconfigure .. did you try to pick the frontend that way? |
| 20:08.19 | xreal | I didn't change anything at all |
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| 20:08.25 | xreal | it's a fresh debootstrap |
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| 20:09.35 | oskie | abrotman: it worked, thanks! |
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| 20:11.02 | xreal | DAMNNNNNNNn |
| 20:11.03 | xreal | apt-get install dialog ! |
| 20:11.35 | xreal | okay, but still no frontend |
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| 20:13.11 | xreal | dpkg-reconfigure debconfig doesn't do anything |
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| 20:17.22 | blubberdiblub | xreal, try that: dpkg-reconfigure -freadline debconf |
| 20:17.38 | xreal | no output |
| 20:18.26 | blubberdiblub | even with the option? |
| 20:18.28 | StyXman | ok |
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| 20:18.35 | xreal | blubberdiblub: yeah |
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| 20:18.43 | StyXman | I connected to a open network with 3.3 |
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| 20:18.54 | StyXman | so probably it was abrotman's rfkill thing |
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| 20:23.39 | xreal | damn ... it's a BUG! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501794 |
| 20:24.25 | quitte | Does anyone happen to have one of those: http://www.logilink.org/showproduct/CR0015.htm ? I would like to know what kind of chip it uses if it's not a epoxy blob. |
| 20:24.32 | Armand | opens the Windows to let the bug out. |
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| 20:30.42 | abrotman | StyXman: yay! |
| 20:32.06 | StyXman | abrotman: :) tx |
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| 20:32.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions cups |
| 20:32.46 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.5.3-1; sid: 1.5.3-2.4; experimental: 1.5.3-4 |
| 20:33.25 | jhutchins_wk | I can print test pages from the cups web interface or from the system settings panel, but I can't print from applications or from lpr. |
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| 20:37.27 | damaxus | jhutchins_wk: how does it fail? |
| 20:37.56 | damaxus | job stuck in queue, immediately errors, prints garbage, ..? |
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| 20:38.03 | damaxus | error messages on console or in logs? |
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| 20:43.46 | jhutchins_wk | damaxus: Nothing. Print dialog closes, no job is queued, no data sent to printer. |
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| 20:47.15 | ag4ve | anyone had any issue with google talk under chrome? |
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| 20:47.33 | ag4ve | it worked when i installed it and now it doesn't seem to want to make a connection |
| 20:47.36 | Mike9863 | I just installed Debian and my user isn't on the list of sudoers, how can I add myself to the sudoers list? |
| 20:47.44 | damaxus | jhutchins_wk: how about just doing an lpr of a text file on console |
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| 20:48.25 | ag4ve | Mike9863: visudo |
| 20:48.35 | ratcheer | Mike9863: Add yourself to group sudo |
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| 20:49.26 | jhutchins_wk | Tried to lpr a pdf and it did the same thing. |
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| 20:49.41 | damaxus | jhutchins_wk: you can increase logging verbosity in cupsd.conf |
| 20:49.46 | damaxus | logs should indicate something |
| 20:49.58 | damaxus | or at least acknowledge it's doing something with the job |
| 20:50.03 | dvs | Mike9863: Or run "visudo" as root and add yourself to the file. |
| 20:50.05 | ag4ve | well, that all depends on how sudoers is setup. if it's how i remember it, you've got to enable the sudo group first |
| 20:50.17 | quitte | jhutchins_wk: i lately had a similar problem. when trying to print from evince evince would crash. kdes pdf reader would work fine. maybe if you run the program from a terminal you can get some interesting output. |
| 20:50.26 | ag4ve | either way, look at sudoers first to figure it out |
| 20:50.38 | jhutchins_wk | lpr textfile just returns & does nothing. |
| 20:50.49 | damaxus | when you run lpq |
| 20:50.55 | damaxus | is the default printer the one you expect to see? |
| 20:51.12 | damaxus | it should indicate it's ready |
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| 20:51.28 | damaxus | with no jobs, if it's operational |
| 20:51.39 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting, lpq shows the jobs queued |
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| 20:51.57 | jhutchins_wk | Says lp is ready and printing. |
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| 20:55.24 | damaxus | is lp the name of the printer you successfully sent a test page to earlier? |
| 20:56.09 | damaxus | also can you pastebin the relevant block for the printer from printers.conf? |
| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | lp is not the name of the printer, no, but the printer does show as the selected printer in the print dialog. |
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| 20:57.48 | jhutchins_wk | THe job in lpq was the one I manually sent to lpr. |
| 20:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | Reinstalled cups, restarting |
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| 20:59.15 | damaxus | make sure you lpr -P PrinterName file.txt |
| 20:59.20 | damaxus | and lpq -P PrinterName |
| 20:59.26 | damaxus | if you're not currently |
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| 21:01.12 | Experium | Hello how do I get debian booting off an SD Card in the most simple and less painfull way possible |
| 21:01.44 | Experium | I don't understand it |
| 21:02.03 | quitte | Experium: after you installed press f11 and select the card? |
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| 21:02.11 | dvs | Why F11? |
| 21:02.12 | Experium | installed? |
| 21:02.31 | ratcheer | Experium: Booting to install, or booting to run it off the SD card, ongoing? |
| 21:02.31 | quitte | f11 is a common key for the bios to show its boot device selection menu |
| 21:02.46 | dvs | quitte: Not for either one of my machines |
| 21:02.49 | Experium | I need to boot off the SD Card and install on the main harddrive |
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| 21:03.08 | Experium | as duel boot windows and debian |
| 21:03.11 | quitte | Experium: so you need to know how to create a sd boot medium? |
| 21:03.16 | Experium | exactly |
| 21:03.27 | quitte | Experium: the usb stick instructions work for sd cards,too |
| 21:03.37 | Experium | didn't work for me ;/ |
| 21:03.42 | ratcheer | Dual boot |
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| 21:03.55 | quitte | Experium: describe what you did. |
| 21:04.21 | dvs | feels the onset of the "u" word |
| 21:04.37 | quitte | u word? |
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| 21:05.03 | Experium | got the small cd used unetbootin and put the iso on the SD Card then rebooted the pc and couldn't find any listing of an SD Card is there an option to be able to boot from an SD Card? |
| 21:05.07 | dvs | there it is! |
| 21:05.10 | quitte | haha |
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| 21:05.30 | Experium | unetbootin is the U Word? |
| 21:05.37 | dvs | yup |
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| 21:06.04 | ratcheer | Back to our main program... |
| 21:06.11 | quitte | where are the stable hd-media imagers ? |
| 21:06.46 | dvs | I have a different one but I'll have to start my laptop to get the name |
| 21:07.06 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, that's pretty weird. Had to manually install cups-bsd, which removed/replaced lpr. This was an update from Lenny. Bugreport! |
| 21:07.30 | Experium | so what do you suggest dvs? |
| 21:07.43 | quitte | Experium: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 21:08.36 | monia | Hallo!I wont compile my kernek,end i prepare necessary tools,but i don't find this package: |
| 21:08.41 | Experium | thats doesn't really help I said a simple and easy solution |
| 21:09.23 | quitte | Experium: how much easier than cat'ing the image to the card could it possibly get? |
| 21:09.32 | monia | btrfs-progs ; PPP ; isdn4k-utils ; nfs-utils ; oprofile |
| 21:09.34 | Experium | wtf is cating? |
| 21:09.37 | Experium | stupid technical terms |
| 21:09.42 | monia | sorry for my english |
| 21:09.54 | quitte | Experium: do you have a working linux box available? |
| 21:09.58 | Experium | no I don't |
| 21:10.00 | Experium | I'm using shitty windows |
| 21:10.03 | quitte | ah |
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| 21:11.41 | quitte | Experium: okay i just read what you said about how you used unetbootin |
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| 21:11.57 | Experium | kl |
| 21:11.58 | quitte | Experium: it may be pole that your device can not boot from sd at all |
| 21:12.03 | quitte | possible |
| 21:12.17 | Experium | well that tells me alot |
| 21:12.26 | Experium | so now I must use my ipod touch as a harddrive |
| 21:12.29 | quitte | Experium: doesn't the bios tell you something like pF11 to select boot media? |
| 21:12.35 | Experium | but I don't know where the cable is |
| 21:13.44 | quitte | Experium: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ this might work. but wait for others to comment |
| 21:14.04 | quitte | Experium: creates a menu entry for the installer in the windows boot menu |
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| 21:14.49 | dvs | I think I used XBOOT to create a USB boot from Windows |
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| 21:17.07 | Experium | goodbye microsoft well they fucked up on windows 8 |
| 21:17.36 | genesis | they did since 20 years and still there. |
| 21:17.51 | xreal | There seems to be a bug in debian_live. Some environment variables doesn't get set and I can't figure out, which parcel does it. Example: DEBIAN_FRONTEND |
| 21:17.53 | Experium | linux was always going to win in the end |
| 21:18.03 | Experium | it was just a matter of time quite literally |
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| 21:19.52 | jhutchins_wk | !live |
| 21:19.52 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:20.20 | jhutchins_wk | xreal: You might get better help in #debian-live |
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| 21:20.38 | xreal | hutchins_wk: tried it. daniel doesn't know |
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| 21:24.53 | Imapickle | this is experium so I'm installing debian on this main pc |
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| 21:25.32 | rizlah | o/ |
| 21:25.54 | rizlah | How is Debian today? |
| 21:26.19 | monia | nobody else? |
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| 21:28.53 | rizlah | Been away from channel too long... |
| 21:28.54 | rizlah | Did it died? |
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| 21:29.37 | quitte | split on freenode and oftc. but that was years ago |
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| 21:44.23 | gimpy46 | Any dpkg wizards around? Any time I try to install a new package it wants to install tons of packages I already have. http://pastie.org/5125048 |
| 21:45.27 | Brigo | gimpy46: amazing ... |
| 21:46.19 | nkuttler | gimpy46: those are probably upgrades |
| 21:46.33 | somiaj | gimpy46: put a copy of your sources.list on paste.debian.net and/or also include the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 21:46.34 | nkuttler | actually, no... |
| 21:47.04 | nkuttler | gimpy46: you don't have any of those packages installed yet |
| 21:47.20 | Brigo | nkuttler: dpkg for sure. |
| 21:47.26 | nkuttler | and you install extra + suggested + recommended |
| 21:47.30 | somiaj | the fact that you are missing adduser, apt-utils and base-files. How did you install debian? |
| 21:47.41 | nkuttler | indeed |
| 21:47.55 | nkuttler | Brigo: you may have the binary around but something is seriously wrong.. |
| 21:48.02 | somiaj | since base-files is a required package. Lets first look at your sources to see what is going on |
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| 21:48.17 | rizlah | gets popcorn. |
| 21:48.33 | rizlah | Dis shud be good. |
| 21:48.42 | quitte | hehe |
| 21:49.03 | Brigo | nkuttler: not only the binary, no apt package without dpkg package. |
| 21:49.16 | nkuttler | Brigo: what somaj said |
| 21:49.28 | nkuttler | somiaj even. heh |
| 21:51.13 | LtL | gimpy46: why would debian want to install plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text |
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| 21:51.28 | nkuttler | ding ding ding |
| 21:51.31 | quitte | damn should have called it |
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| 21:52.29 | somiaj | LtL: hence why I wanted his sources.list to start with. (: |
| 21:52.51 | alusion | I'm new to Debian, but have grown comfortable using ubuntu. What are some key differences I should know when using Debian and helpful resources to help the transition be smooth |
| 21:53.07 | LtL | somiaj: nod |
| 21:53.19 | quitte | alusion: as you may have noticed: don't mix debian and ubuntu sources |
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| 21:54.17 | quitte | alusion: apart from that it should be mostly smooth sailing. |
| 21:55.13 | somiaj | alusion: most of the differences are policy. as quitte said if you are full debian sources the admin stuff is mostly the same (hard to list all the small differences but they do have lots of similarites as well) |
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| 21:55.37 | quitte | ah yes policy. if it's not totally free you have to explicitly install it |
| 21:55.42 | somiaj | alusion: things you will notice is defaults are different. you have way more choice in debian, and debian is very picky about free vs non-free so many will have to add the non-free and contrib sources to get stuff you are use to by default on ubuntu. |
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| 21:57.39 | madmuppet | I am having trouble with sound on a base install of wheezy.. I am trying to follow this guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iTlJ8BfqXUjaHO__TEdlkvuqB1WLOkGaudngc5SFLMI/edit?pli=1# but it fails when I get to reinstalling libasound2 any help appreciated |
| 21:57.43 | metap0d | Hi everyone, I'm trying to try out Debian by using one of the mirrors on the site and I can't actually find the directory structure over http or ftp of the CD ISO downloads :/ |
| 21:58.00 | metap0d | Does anyone have ANY ideas? http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 21:58.05 | rizlah | metap0d: torrent. |
| 21:58.13 | metap0d | This link - http://www.debian.org/mirror/, told me it would be in the debian-cd dir |
| 21:58.50 | quitte | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/ |
| 21:59.30 | quitte | hmm actually there are no isos |
| 21:59.32 | somiaj | metap0d: mirrors do not have to mirror every thing (some only mirror certain arches or only certain releases) |
| 21:59.49 | metap0d | somiaj: How is that a "mirror"? :/ |
| 21:59.58 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso -- this link on debian.org for the dual arch net installer will work in most cases |
| 22:00.39 | metap0d | somiaj: I clicked the main Canada repository they told me to, and they explicitly said it was nominated as such because it has 24 hour hosting and a complete backup of the existing debian mirror setup :( |
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| 22:01.16 | nsadmin | metap0d, you can think of it like the mirror in a girl's compact |
| 22:01.21 | somiaj | metap0d: I didn't look at your mirror, I just know that due to space, bandwidth and just the massive size of debian with all of its arches, stable, testing, unstable and source pacakges many don't need/want to mirror everything. |
| 22:01.40 | somiaj | though that one should contain all the major stuff, but just use that link I gaveyou for the installer and move on |
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| 22:02.14 | metap0d | hm |
| 22:05.21 | gimpy46 | LtL: I know this is Ubuntu but I'm looking for a dpkg expert. I wouldn't expect #ubuntu to know enough to fix this issue. I believe it's an issue with dpkg itself. |
| 22:06.35 | somiaj | gimpy46: it is a unbuntu issue, so go get help there. |
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| 22:07.12 | LtL | gimpy46: it really looks like a conflicted mixed source source.list. you need to paste it, but if you run ubuntu, there isn't much help to be had here. |
| 22:07.14 | somiaj | gimpy46: the issue is most likely your install is messed up as you do not have required packages installed or you lost your database of installe dpackages and apt is confused. Either way at #debian we are here to help debian users not ubuntu users. |
| 22:07.27 | madmuppet | the error I get is http://pastebin.com/KJKWm6De |
| 22:07.57 | nannes | I'm looking for "oprofile" in wheezy |
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| 22:08.09 | gimpy46 | somiaj: Do you know how to regenerate or restore the database of installed packages? |
| 22:08.17 | somiaj | !tell nannes about search |
| 22:08.18 | nannes | but there is not ... Has it changed its package name? |
| 22:08.24 | nannes | somiaj: already did |
| 22:08.37 | nannes | what I found is that wheezy no longer has oprofile package |
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| 22:08.46 | somiaj | nannes: I don't see it in sid. did you try packages.debian.org and looking at the changelog of the old package. It could have been removed |
| 22:08.49 | nannes | it seems just squeeze has it |
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| 22:09.12 | somiaj | yea looks like it is in squeeze and sid (packages.debian.org is a great place to search)( |
| 22:09.13 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 22:09.31 | nannes | somiaj: yeah, that's where I did |
| 22:09.39 | somiaj | nannes: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/oprofile.html |
| 22:09.48 | somiaj | nannes: well then after a few clicks you should have gotten that. Also check out the changelog |
| 22:11.06 | nannes | thanks |
| 22:11.43 | DanielHolth | How do I get dpkg-buildpackage to set DESTDIR to something? |
| 22:12.45 | somiaj | DanielHolth: what are you trying to do? I thought all of that was set in the debian/ various files in there? |
| 22:12.59 | somiaj | DanielHolth: note you may find #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net a good place to ask packaging questions |
| 22:13.21 | DanielHolth | I thought so, but it doesn't seem to go |
| 22:13.26 | DanielHolth | Trying to build without root |
| 22:13.40 | somiaj | build without root? I don't follow. |
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| 22:13.49 | DanielHolth | build a dpkg without installing anything to /bin/ etc. |
| 22:14.04 | somiaj | you mean building a .deb? |
| 22:14.07 | DanielHolth | yes |
| 22:14.17 | somiaj | So where do you want the files from teh deb to be installed? |
| 22:14.31 | DanielHolth | they should be installed in /opt/ but built in /tmp/somedir/opt/... |
| 22:14.40 | DanielHolth | where /tmp/somedir is $DESTDIR |
| 22:14.41 | somiaj | I think in this case you want to modify the --prefix option in the ./configure script that is called via debian/rules |
| 22:15.01 | vacuous | D: |
| 22:15.13 | DanielHolth | No, it's just a bare Makefile |
| 22:15.16 | vacuous | I think bash isn't working correctly |
| 22:15.17 | somiaj | DanielHolth: are you using debian helper to generate your debian/ dir? |
| 22:15.23 | DanielHolth | Yes of course |
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| 22:15.38 | DanielHolth | but the "thing I am trying to package" just has a simple makefile. |
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| 22:16.14 | somiaj | that is probabaly were your issue is. You need the makefile to know where you awnt it to install |
| 22:16.20 | vacuous | http://pastesite.com/82727 |
| 22:16.21 | vacuous | this should work, right? |
| 22:16.32 | DanielHolth | According to the docs, debhelper is supposed to set DESTDIR and the makefile should listen. |
| 22:16.34 | somiaj | but there may be another way to do it, this is out of my experience DanielHolth. I would try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:16.36 | DanielHolth | or dpkg-buildpackage or whatever |
| 22:16.40 | DanielHolth | I will try there. |
| 22:16.49 | somiaj | DanielHolth: have you tried DESTDIR="whatever" dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 22:17.16 | DanielHolth | that does work, but I expected something more like 'dpkg-buildpackage chooses a new empty build directory' |
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| 22:17.48 | somiaj | yea again this is out of my expreince, but if all you have to do is set an envvariable, you can do it like I suggest or export DESTDIR="whatever" |
| 22:18.37 | stack | hello, trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy lead me to a broken apt database, I mean that something is holding packages that are not going to be upgraded and I'm presented with this error http://pastebin.com/SLbdxja8 , apt-get install -f does no help and trying to resolve the dependancies by hand seems unsuitable, any hint? |
| 22:18.52 | somiaj | stack: did you do 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'? |
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| 22:20.09 | stack | somiaj: I don't remember and the history is limited in the terminal but I would have done upgrade |
| 22:20.32 | somiaj | upgrade with apt-get will only upgrade packages that do not require removing or installing new packages |
| 22:20.50 | somiaj | dist-upgrade is what is needed when going between distributions as you will need to install/remove packages |
| 22:20.55 | somiaj | also /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:21.18 | somiaj | the upgrade process is still undergoing testing and there could be some dependencies that apt-get can't figure out. Sometimes aptitudes logic is better |
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| 22:21.35 | stack | somiaj: also aptitude doesn't help |
| 22:21.58 | somiaj | yea it oculd be the upgrade process messed things up so neither can figure it out and you have to fix by hand |
| 22:22.33 | stack | ok I'll try harder |
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| 22:23.41 | stack | is that possible to remove some packages in this state? |
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| 22:24.26 | somiaj | you can do a lot with dpkg, but a lot of it is just reading the error messages and following the dependency loops by hand |
| 22:24.35 | quitte | yes. but you need to remove enough to get to a valid state. so ierate the command and add packages to remove until it works |
| 22:24.36 | rizlah | Should one upgrade to wheezy now, or wait for it to be stable? |
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| 22:25.11 | somiaj | rizlah: depends. If you want everythign to be fully tested, have detailed release notes giving you the upgrade process and things to do to avoid common snags then wait for it to be stable |
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| 22:25.19 | somiaj | rizlah: if you want to test the upgrade process and play around. Go now |
| 22:25.57 | rizlah | Why doesn't someone do something about the MB/MiB problem on stable install? |
| 22:26.08 | maxxe | is it possible to run a 2.6 kernel with wheezy? |
| 22:26.12 | rizlah | I'm a firm believer in IEC units. somiaj I believe in them. |
| 22:26.19 | rizlah | Yet they are not available. |
| 22:26.26 | somiaj | maxxe: I don't know if anything in wheezy requires the 3.2 kernel, but I don't see why you would want to |
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| 22:26.47 | quitte | rizlah: stable is stable. doing something about that is not possible. for example it could break scripts |
| 22:26.49 | Mike9863 | I've installed openssh-server on a debian machine, but when I try to connect to it on another machine by typing ssh root@ip, the connection just times out. How can I get this to work properly? |
| 22:26.55 | somiaj | rizlah: it most likey won't ever be fixed in stable, but that to me sounds like a wishlist bug. Might not be early enough to get into wheezy, but you can try. |
| 22:27.03 | rizlah | quitte: I know, I mean has it been fixed in wheezy? |
| 22:27.04 | eliteprodigy | join #mysql |
| 22:27.10 | eliteprodigy | Oops. |
| 22:27.31 | somiaj | Mike9863: on the machine with the server make sure it is running. ssh localhost should do that |
| 22:27.37 | quitte | rizlah: i don't think so. but i could look in a handful of places if you name them |
| 22:27.45 | stack | maybe you should put a big warning on removing backports and such, many people have iceweasel from mozilla repos and I suspect that it was the reason of this ciclique mess |
| 22:27.46 | somiaj | Mike9863: if that works, check netstat -net and see if it is listening on the outside device |
| 22:27.54 | maxxe | somiaj: actually it's only for one reason. however i doubt it will work with the new X anyway. i have a legacy fglrx driver that works perfect at the moment, that i downloaded from vendors webpage |
| 22:28.07 | somiaj | Mike9863: then there it is debuging networking. Make sure if you have a firewall port 22 is open, make sure you don't have a routing/network issue between the two machines. |
| 22:28.27 | rizlah | quitte: partman-lvm asks for size, defaults to MB but even when using bytes it still fails to be correct |
| 22:28.31 | somiaj | maxxe: yea I have the same problem on my laptop. Luckly I don't game on it and the free radeon driver works fine |
| 22:28.36 | stack | so let me know if I'm doing right, I'm following the dependency errors and doing apt-get package=version by hand |
| 22:28.39 | rizlah | lvextend works fine, the command line tools for LVM are spot-on |
| 22:28.51 | somiaj | maxxe: I have no clue if there will ever be legacy fglrx support and yes an 4000 series cards are older are not supported on the version in wheezy. |
| 22:29.28 | quitte | rizlah: okay. wont't check that ;) |
| 22:29.29 | stack | also what is a +really in a package version? 2.33.12+really2.32.4-2 for libglib2.0-0 |
| 22:29.30 | somiaj | stack: sometimes things are to messed up for apt, so I use packages.debian.org download the debs and install with dpkg |
| 22:29.37 | rizlah | xD |
| 22:29.50 | maxxe | somiaj: aah. well i have to stop gaming then if i want wheezy. i only play one game though, but it's nice, it's called tibia. it has a linux client. no need for wine crap |
| 22:29.52 | stack | somiaj: ok I'll use that as last chance |
| 22:30.01 | somiaj | stack: it probably means there was a bug in 2.33.12 and so to fix the bug they downgraded it to be really 2.32.4 for the time |
| 22:30.11 | rizlah | I assumed partman-lvm would just call the lvm tools, but it actually does some voodoo with the numbers before passing them on. |
| 22:30.15 | stack | somiaj: uhm ok |
| 22:30.30 | somiaj | maxxe: yea I am a nvidia person on my gaming machine. I have only dabbled with flgrx, I just know there is no legacy support so far and don't expect any. |
| 22:31.08 | somiaj | stack: but due to how debian upgrades thing it is easier to just call the package 2.33.12+appedned version. I've seen that happen in a few packages, but it is a rare tactict |
| 22:31.49 | stack | somiaj: yes I know how it works but I never seen that, thanks |
| 22:31.52 | maxxe | somiaj: yeah nvidia has best linux support. best documentation as well. |
| 22:31.53 | rizlah | Also very strange, in stable running on a VM, shutdown causes the text to move to the right side of the screen on each shutdown message. That a VM issue? |
| 22:32.04 | rizlah | I assume it wouldn't be called stable if that happened a lot. |
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| 22:32.46 | somiaj | how are you connencting to the display? could be a vnc issue messing with the terminal? |
| 22:33.15 | rizlah | Through standard VirtualBox interface |
| 22:33.33 | rizlah | Run VM, rectangle screen pops up and magic happens. |
| 22:33.45 | quitte | vga output? |
| 22:33.47 | somiaj | I would say some strange setting issue with vbox, I assume if many peoplke saw that it would have been reported to the bts |
| 22:33.57 | rizlah | Also, why does stable check for LVM before unencrypting the root partition, and then checking again for LVM? |
| 22:34.07 | rizlah | It technically 'works', but sure looks stupid |
| 22:34.40 | quitte | becuase the decrypted volume might contain a pv ? |
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| 22:35.01 | rizlah | Correct, it does. |
| 22:35.13 | rizlah | That's the point |
| 22:35.29 | rizlah | Debian knows it needs to unencrypt first, then scan |
| 22:35.46 | rizlah | Yet it scans twice and gives errors before asking for key |
| 22:36.12 | czytacz | hi, i can't find any solution to my problem - I want to make a VM with Debian that will be accesible via RDP. |
| 22:36.24 | quitte | a lv could be encrypted also |
| 22:36.30 | czytacz | And that was easy, using xrdp |
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| 22:36.44 | rizlah | quitte: Any way to suppress error messages? |
| 22:36.54 | rizlah | Also, does partman have the ability to use the xts-plain64 option on wheezy? |
| 22:37.21 | somiaj | czytacz: what is wrong with vnc? |
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| 22:37.43 | czytacz | but I also need the following - when user logs in via RDP, the only thing he should see is a browser in a kiosk mode |
| 22:37.51 | rizlah | If not, where can I go to sign up to be a Debian pioneer? I vant ver much make good. |
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| 22:38.43 | somiaj | czytacz: that sounds to me like something you would configure on the guest. Is the guest configured to only show a browser and run in kiosk mode? is this a debian guest or a windows guest? |
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| 22:38.51 | quitte | rizlah: no need to sign up anywhere. just send patches |
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| 22:39.07 | rizlah | Surely not that easy, sir? |
| 22:39.13 | rizlah | A test of sorts maybe... |
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| 22:39.30 | somiaj | rizlah: if it is mearly a patch to an exsiting package in debian, you can use the bts or send them to teh matainer |
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| 22:39.36 | rizlah | What is the dress-code for submitting my first patch? My tux is at the cleaners. |
| 22:39.40 | somiaj | rizlah: if you want to add a new package to debian you have to find a sponsor |
| 22:39.54 | somiaj | rizlah: if you want to become a debian matainer you have to do a lot of work to prove your comptinace and ability |
| 22:39.58 | czytacz | somiaj: not really - client is a HP thin Client. I want to server a browser in kiosk mode via it |
| 22:40.10 | quitte | somiaj: and ideology |
| 22:40.27 | rizlah | I will be supreme overlord of this channel no later than 2015. |
| 22:40.44 | zinx | rizlah: too bad this isn't the official Debian channel, then. |
| 22:40.48 | somiaj | czytacz: well rdp seems to me to connect just to the guess so there is nothing I think in that way to you can set up kisok mode |
| 22:40.58 | rizlah | ... lies. |
| 22:41.17 | somiaj | czytacz: you will need to build your guest to only be in kiosk mode so when someone connects to it. |
| 22:41.50 | czytacz | somiaj: what do You mean by "guest"? |
| 22:41.57 | bklive | why do i have to install fglrx for my ATI X1200 card to work for more than a few minutes? |
| 22:42.17 | somiaj | czytacz: the vm that you are building in which someone is connecting to |
| 22:42.25 | rizlah | He means visitor, but we can say it means something else if that's what you're into. |
| 22:42.28 | somiaj | czytacz: the host is the machine running the vms, the guests are the vms running on the host |
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| 22:42.58 | rizlah | s/visitor/VM guest |
| 22:43.00 | somiaj | bklive: is that card just not yet supported with the free radeon driver? Or does it not even work in consoles for more than a few minutes? |
| 22:43.03 | rizlah | Had no idea you were talking about vms |
| 22:43.48 | madmuppet | hey guys Im trying to get my sound going but I get an error http://pastebin.com/KJKWm6De any help appreciated |
| 22:44.21 | madmuppet | I have checked alsamixer and the sound is turned on |
| 22:44.31 | rizlah | madmuppet: It means the pulse driver was not initialized. |
| 22:44.35 | rizlah | As in, you |
| 22:44.39 | rizlah | 're probably missing it |
| 22:44.51 | bklive | somiaj: it works in console, and it will run X, but after a few minutes (or running firefox for any length of time) there will be a bunch of lines drawn over every active portion of the screen (bordres, the mouse, screen content, etc) |
| 22:45.03 | madmuppet | should I apt-get install it? |
| 22:45.22 | rizlah | No. You should ignore it and ask your question again. |
| 22:45.32 | somiaj | bklive: Well in X that sounds like the free readon driver. could be bad support for that card, it could be faulty hardware. Things like that usually were in my experience. |
| 22:45.52 | somiaj | madmuppet: all it is doing is checking for pulse first, since you don't have pulse it then defaults to alsa |
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| 22:46.13 | somiaj | madmuppet: cat /proc/asound/cards -- do you have multiple sound cards, maybe it is just using the wrong one which is why you don't hear volume |
| 22:46.14 | bklive | i wonder if it is faulty hardware, but the problem goes away when you install fglrx-driver |
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| 22:46.47 | rizlah | You actually read it? I saw "Failed" and assumed it was that. |
| 22:46.48 | somiaj | bklive: yea that is what gets me. I don't know radeon's cards that well, I would look at bug reports for the free radeon driver or try to file a bugreport against it and see what response you get |
| 22:46.52 | bklive | which should have no effect since pre HD5X cards aren't supported |
| 22:47.05 | madmuppet | somiaj:yes alsa sees multiple cards one is the graphics card but alsa is set to the sound card |
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| 22:47.23 | somiaj | madmuppet: alsa does not see graphics cards. But many hdmi cards have audio included |
| 22:47.25 | czytacz | somiaj: ok, I know now what You mean :) the problem is that I expected that it would be the OS configuration case. Unfortunately I don't know where to start - should I try to modify Users account somehow, or whole system? If there is a way to modify user settings in a way that only browser would satart, I would be most happy. No status bar, no other apps available, just the browser. |
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| 22:48.08 | somiaj | czytacz: it is the system. You have to configured you guest to be in kisok mode. I have never done this, but all rdp does is connect to the guest so once a user is connected he can do what ever the guest allows him to |
| 22:48.27 | somiaj | czytacz: is this a debian or windows guest? |
| 22:48.56 | czytacz | debian |
| 22:48.58 | somiaj | with debian + xorg + a minial window manager you can configure you can get very close to that. |
| 22:49.27 | somiaj | so just get a window manager you can configure and remove all the thigns you want. Make sure you make a custom xorg.conf file to disable ctrl-alt-del and ctrl-alt-f1 from switching to a console |
| 22:49.30 | czytacz | somiaj: i installed debian+lxde+xrdp |
| 22:50.02 | somiaj | czytacz: http://jadoba.net/PLUG/kiosks/howto/ -- first link in google from 'debian kiosk howto' |
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| 22:50.20 | czytacz | somiaj: maybe i should choose even lignter env? |
| 22:50.21 | somiaj | again I know ways I could mimic most of it, but yea I would do some research. again this is configuring the os |
| 22:50.51 | somiaj | czytacz: or one that is more configurable. I use fvwm myself because it is completely configurable. But read though those howtos and get ideas of what others have done |
| 22:51.24 | czytacz | somiaj: ok, thanks a lot |
| 22:51.56 | somiaj | czytacz: note I said wm not desktop. A desktop like lxde by default is gonna contain menu's, task bars, file managers etc. A small wm will only manage the windows and you can configure/add additional things as you desire |
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| 22:54.29 | czytacz | somiaj: right, forgot about that. I'm more a Windows guy (don't beat me), and I keep forgetting that wm and graphical environment are seperate things. |
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| 22:54.39 | bklive | http://askubuntu.com/questions/155352/problem-graphics-with-ati-radeon-x1270-rs690m-on-ubuntu-12-04 |
| 22:54.44 | czytacz | somiaj: I'll dig into that |
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| 23:00.48 | nsadmin | czytaczright, and when you look deeper, linux just plain offers you a LOT of choices windows does not |
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| 23:02.37 | somiaj | czytacz: and the wm comment is there is just less stuff to disable than a full de |
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| 23:03.10 | somiaj | my phiolosphy on a desktop/graphical enviorment. Is start out minimialistic/simple and add/build up only the things you need |
| 23:03.16 | nsadmin | bklive, I'd be more interested in questions about debian, and the results you get under debian with the video card |
| 23:03.22 | somiaj | though I install debian the same way, never use tasksel, always a base install + things I know I need |
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| 23:04.03 | bklive | nsadmin: i'm using debian squeeze, this just exactly describes my problem |
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| 23:07.29 | czytacz | somiaj: You're absolutelly right. I was terrified when i started to think how many functions/applications I would have to block with full de installed |
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| 23:09.02 | czytacz | somiaj: ...but than again... will xrdp work without de installed? |
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| 23:09.49 | somiaj | I don't use rdp, I use vnc. But sounds like with xrdp you need x installed. You don't have to have a wm, but I would suggest one |
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| 23:10.26 | somiaj | but with the vm's I use (I use qemu-kvm) the vnc is just part of the vm and not software on the guest |
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| 23:12.03 | jez | HI guys :) |
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| 23:13.28 | jez | I have an Ethernet<->RS232 (some cable availbale to configure some switchs or routers). |
| 23:13.37 | wkhan113 | What's the best software to use if I want to access the GUI over the internet when I'm out? Vnc or something right? |
| 23:14.06 | jez | I was wondering If it was possible to send RS232 into my ethernet port in way to comminicate with an RS232 device |
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| 23:14.13 | somiaj | wkhan113: there is no best, but yes vnc is a common way to get remote connenction to your desktop. |
| 23:14.38 | jez | But not using RS232 over EThernet |
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| 23:14.55 | tintin | I got error during ./configure https://gist.github.com/3966807 , for irssi |
| 23:14.59 | jez | (that's because I don't have a proper RSR232 modem) |
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| 23:15.06 | tintin | But i can install irssi from aptitude install irssi |
| 23:15.07 | wkhan113 | Any particular one you would recommend? And how do I set up. Will I gave to forward ports? |
| 23:15.10 | jez | any idea? |
| 23:15.13 | wkhan113 | Have |
| 23:18.21 | tintin | How to configure irssi? |
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| 23:19.27 | tharkun | !tell tintin about irssi |
| 23:19.51 | tintin | I'm talking about installing from source code |
| 23:20.25 | themill | tintin: what's wrong with the packages? |
| 23:20.40 | rizlah | Far too easy |
| 23:20.53 | tintin | There is nothing wrong with irssi package, i'm trying to configure from source code |
| 23:20.57 | somiaj | tintin: the packages should be just fine. If it is mearly the debian matainer didn't enable a feature you need, /msg dpkg package recompile. |
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| 23:21.41 | somiaj | when you install things from source, using 'make install' to put them in /usr/local is just fine. Though use stow if you want to manage that. If you want to be a bit more sophoisicated you can make your own debs. |
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| 23:23.35 | nsadmin | tintin, you could start with README, ./configure --help and anything in the source dir that has build instructions and build requirements to fulfill before starting to build or configuer |
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| 23:24.05 | themill | you'd start with the build-deps of the debian package |
| 23:24.20 | wkhan113 | Tintin: aptitude search glib2. |
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| 23:24.33 | somiaj | check out /msg dpkg ssbp -- if you want to build a package form debian source is a good way to start. Then you can worry about modify the package next. |
| 23:24.51 | somiaj | of course use a deb-src line for the version you want |
| 23:24.51 | tharkun | wonders why the uupdate factoid hasn't come up yet? |
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| 23:25.14 | themill | tharkun: because irssi has the same upstream release from lenny through to sid... |
| 23:25.19 | somiaj | themill: because the upstream is the same as the sid version |
| 23:25.39 | somiaj | oh didn't know it went all the way back to lenny...guess no need to change a good thing |
| 23:25.42 | uiopqwer | is there a way to bypass the max volume level? i'm at 100% and it's still quiet :'( |
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| 23:26.59 | nsadmin | into what speakers? |
| 23:27.01 | somiaj | uiopqwer: max volume level of what? |
| 23:27.08 | tintin | missing this, libglib2.0-dev |
| 23:27.12 | somiaj | and yes many speakers have an external amplifier |
| 23:27.14 | tharkun | uiopqwer: your audio card might have ore than one volume adjuster for the source involved |
| 23:27.19 | tintin | themill: ^ |
| 23:27.24 | somiaj | tintin: if you would have listened to themill, 'apt-get build-deps irssi' |
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| 23:27.41 | wkhan113 | Tintin. Yh. Then install it. |
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| 23:28.44 | tharkun | uiopqwer: alsamixer is on cli program that you might want to take a look at. There are some gui ones but they are dm dependant. |
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| 23:29.31 | uiopqwer | tharkun: yeah, i always use alsamixer. in the Playback view, i've got master, headphone, and speaker all at 100 |
| 23:29.57 | uiopqwer | tharkun: my card is an HDA ATI SB Realtek ALC268 on a toshiba laptop |
| 23:30.10 | tharkun | uiopqwer: Check pcm also |
| 23:30.32 | tharkun | sorry I ain't familiar with that one |
| 23:30.40 | uiopqwer | tharkun: yep, that's at 100 too :( |
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| 23:31.25 | tharkun | uiopqwer: front? |
| 23:32.09 | uiopqwer | tharkun: the mic boosts? that doesn't seem to have an effect |
| 23:32.15 | somiaj | uiopqwer: do your speakers ahve a volume control on them. It coudl be you just need a better sound system |
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| 23:32.42 | tharkun | uiopqwer: is the power on your external speakers pluged in? |
| 23:33.14 | uiopqwer | somiaj, tharkun: i'm just on a laptop. the volume wheel is up all the way |
| 23:33.19 | somiaj | but most sound cards have a terrible amplifier so unless you are using headphones are probabaly to quiet. |
| 23:33.27 | somiaj | oh it is the laptop built in speakers? |
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| 23:33.29 | tintin | apt-get build-deps irssi , what does it do? |
| 23:33.42 | uiopqwer | somiaj: yeah |
| 23:33.43 | tintin | aptitude build-deps irssi , is it same? |
| 23:33.45 | somiaj | tintin: it installs all the packages required to build the debian irssi packages. |
| 23:33.50 | somiaj | yes |
| 23:34.09 | somiaj | well to compile irssi, it won't install the debian packaging tools. |
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| 23:37.44 | uiopqwer | tharkun, somiaj: thanks guys. i guess the solution is to get a better sound system capable of amplifying :P |
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| 23:39.50 | somiaj | uiopqwer: it does seem strange that the built in speakers don't have a decent amplifier. But it sounds like you have turne dup every sound thing you can. |
| 23:40.03 | somiaj | I don't nkow if it could be the linux driver, did you ever have windows on this laptop? did you have the issue there? |
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| 23:40.58 | uiopqwer | somiaj: i always wipe windows ASAP, so i don't know |
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| 23:42.59 | somiaj | yea its a terrible way to test thigns to, but sometimes it helps you determine if it is hardware vs software and hours of debugging |
| 23:43.18 | tintin | The command is this: apt-get build-dep irssi, not apt-get build-deps irssi |
| 23:43.28 | tintin | aptitude build-dep irssi |
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| 23:43.47 | knob | Hello everyone =) |
| 23:43.48 | somiaj | my memory isn't always the greatest, luckly man pages can easily correct things |
| 23:44.36 | chomwitt | can dd command (adding space to a hdd image file0 alter it's MBR? |
| 23:45.12 | knob | I have a script that pulls video, and then creates a mpg file via ffmpeg. Everything works fine. When I run it via ./script.sh I see the text output. I would like to record that output into a text file, yet it's not cooperating. Here's what I'm trying ./script.sh | tee -a streamlog.txt |
| 23:45.24 | tintin | how to download the source of irssi with aptitude command |
| 23:45.25 | tintin | ? |
| 23:45.28 | knob | yet when I check the .txt, it's empty. Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? |
| 23:46.28 | somiaj | knob: ./script.sh > streamlog.txt (problem is that only gets stdout sometimes you need stderr |
| 23:46.48 | somiaj | so ./script.sh > streamlog.txt 2>&1 |
| 23:46.49 | mz|` | tintin: apt-get source irssi |
| 23:46.52 | somiaj | I think that is the right syntax |
| 23:46.56 | knob | ok, going to try and run that one now... will update pronto |
| 23:47.40 | tintin | Is it possible with aptitude command? like, aptitude source irssi ? |
| 23:47.53 | knob | and to learn.. what does the 2>&1 parameter do? |
| 23:47.54 | somiaj | knob: yea looks like tee only does stdout, so you if you want to tee it |
| 23:48.02 | somiaj | knob: stderr is 2, stdout is 1 |
| 23:48.21 | mz|` | tintin: why use aptitude ..? |
| 23:48.28 | somiaj | knob: 2>&1 redirects the stderr to stdout. You could append that to the end of your tee comand and get the same affect (really hoping I'm putting it in the right spot) |
| 23:48.37 | somiaj | tintin: yes it is, read the man page |
| 23:48.50 | somiaj | tintin: most things you can just replace apt-get with aptitude. Somethigns you cannot. The manpage will clear up the issues |
| 23:48.53 | nkuttler | knob: see also man bash, redirection |
| 23:49.02 | knob | will check that out |
| 23:49.12 | knob | Interesting... I'm a n00b to this. Thanks guys =) |
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| 23:50.08 | somiaj | mz|`: have you read, /msg dpkg why aptitude and /msg dpkg why apt-get |
| 23:50.48 | lewix | mz|`: aptitude has a better output - for example |
| 23:51.01 | mz|` | aptitude is slow |
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| 23:51.06 | knob | So with the 2>&1, I don't see it on-screen anymore... yet I know it's running. going to read on stderr and stdout now |
| 23:51.13 | cardiel | Someone knows why fail2ban. wont ban ips even if the regex works? |
| 23:51.57 | lewix | mz|`: aptitude has more straight forward command parameters - aptitude search mz|` |
| 23:52.08 | luchenbill | any good dox for installing apache && php? |
| 23:52.19 | luchenbill | on teh squeeze |
| 23:52.22 | tintin | somiaj: Did you try aptitude sourc irssi ? |
| 23:52.33 | mz|` | that's just a binding on apt-cache search + output treatment |
| 23:52.40 | aeg | hi i'm squeeze .. how do i set the kernel parameter "pci=routeirq" ? |
| 23:52.53 | mz|` | conclusion -> it is slow |
| 23:53.09 | mz|` | but thanks for the lesson somiaj lewix |
| 23:53.31 | somiaj | tintin: did you read the manpage? |
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| 23:54.02 | somiaj | tintin: I use apt-get for most thinngs because that is what I'm use to. |
| 23:54.29 | luchenbill | with apt-get is there some kind of 'searching' method? |
| 23:54.40 | somiaj | luchenbill: apt-cache |
| 23:54.42 | luchenbill | seems like lots of applications have many flats? |
| 23:54.49 | luchenbill | --this -that -this |
| 23:54.51 | somiaj | but aptitudes search is far better |
| 23:54.52 | luchenbill | stuff like that |
| 23:55.00 | mz|` | apt-get source -> done / aptitude download && dpkg -x $result $folder ... -> dang |
| 23:55.21 | luchenbill | *is new to debian* but loving it :D |
| 23:55.37 | tintin | somiaj: I think, aptitude doesn't have option for source download |
| 23:56.16 | lewix | mz|`: tintin : aptitude provides the functionality of dselect and apt-get, as well as many additional features not found in either program |
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| 23:56.58 | mz|` | we are in 2012. use , know your packages. |
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| 23:57.24 | mz|` | use something equal to puppet* |
| 23:57.25 | somiaj | yea I'm not seeing an obvious way to do that with aptitude. But the man page talks about source packages. I just don't see how to tell aptitude to install a source package over a binary one. |
| 23:57.49 | lewix | mz|`: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
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| 23:57.57 | mz|` | apt-get source -> done / aptitude download && dpkg -x $result $folder ... -> dang |
| 23:58.01 | lewix | I'm right unless it's outdated |
| 23:58.03 | mz|` | as said previously |
| 23:58.36 | somiaj | yea I guess aptitude can't get source packages. strange |
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| 23:58.42 | tintin | lewix: I don't see the option to download source code with aptitude |
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| 23:59.24 | mz|` | i can throw links on irc too lewix ... that's not a fact or a proof you're right. sorry. |
