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| 00:00.06 | abrotman | simplew: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 00:04.26 | simplew | abrotman: but im simply asking when a build fails, before runing debuild again what i need to do? |
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| 00:09.57 | LOBO84 | Hi, everyone! |
| 00:10.39 | LOBO84 | #flood Hi |
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| 00:19.11 | simplew | when modifying a patch is needed to run' quilt refresh' ? |
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| 00:24.16 | somiaj | simplew: your error has something to do with a ubuntu patch. This is not a #debian question. Go ask for support from your distro of choice. |
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| 00:25.23 | simplew | somiaj: i made a question in my last entry that is not related with ubuntu |
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| 00:31.31 | abrotman | simplew: this is not the Ubuntu support channel, that includes questions relating to packaging on Ubuntu. |
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| 00:42.47 | Enmity | morning all, I am trying to install squeeze onto my laptop. I have /dev/sda2 encrypted with luks and 3 lv partitions. During the install I can not find anyway to run cryptsetup luksopen or vgchange -ay from the ash prompt to activate these partitions for the debian installer to find them. Any ideas? |
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| 00:50.02 | Enmity | hmm, this is bad if everyone is this quiet |
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| 01:05.18 | Enmity | well, I just figured out how to recreate all my partitioning using the installer but bit of an oversight to not make a way to continue the install using an existing partitioning scheme |
| 01:05.37 | Enmity | might do a bugreport for the v7 installer |
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| 01:08.01 | Enmity | later all |
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| 01:20.58 | mads- | I'm looking to switch from fedora to Debian. To a desktop of a novice linux user would you recommend unstable or experimental? I'd like to learn a little as well, but mostly I'm just looking for an up2date system which work 90% of the time, at least |
| 01:22.04 | alfplayer | mads-: unstable |
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| 01:22.28 | peterrooney | mads-: neither. novices are not going to be happy with beta software, or able to fix it. |
| 01:22.40 | alfplayer | mads-: testing better |
| 01:22.56 | peterrooney | dpkg, unstable |
| 01:22.56 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 01:23.45 | mads- | thanks |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | mads-: wheezy, you cannot run experiemental, and unstable deserves its name |
| 01:24.01 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 01:24.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 01:24.02 | alfplayer | yes, unstable may be too much |
| 01:24.12 | mads- | I see |
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| 02:05.37 | trewn | i am using squeze. under system settings, i can set the font size of menu items. is there anyway to set the color too? |
| 02:06.09 | nkuttler | trewn: sounds like a theme? |
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| 02:06.39 | trewn | no, all the thems available gives black fonts. |
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| 02:18.55 | abrotman | Anyone using IW in wheezy with uptodate flash with google video chat and having it crash? |
| 02:19.23 | sney | !anyone |
| 02:19.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:19.36 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:19.41 | abrotman | i know .. five levels of fail :) |
| 02:19.47 | derric | Well, I found an old cd burner in my, what do you call it, old bunch of stuff, and loaded Wheezy from the net-install cd. Wheezy networking is now up. |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | since neither flash nor the googletalk plugin would bve in the BTS, can't go that route |
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| 02:20.18 | sney | abrotman, still, you could have asked your actual question. |
| 02:20.30 | nsadmin | I'd have to reboot to find out (and I haven't been google chattin |
| 02:20.33 | nsadmin | ) |
| 02:20.48 | derric | I knew that old stuff would be useful someday... |
| 02:20.48 | carandraug | Hi! I want to report a bug but I don't know to what package. Basically my wireless just goes down. The only way to recover is to turn the wireless off and back on. Against what should I report this? |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | sney: that sort of was the question, it just started happening, i don't have more info yet |
| 02:21.26 | derric | Now, I have to figure out how I broke Squeeze's aptitude authentication. |
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| 02:22.33 | sney | abrotman, well, google does update their video chat fairly often. is that with iceweasel release or one of the more bleeding edge versions? see if you can reproduce it with the latter |
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| 02:23.01 | mjacob | trying to install dropbear with aptitude aborts with an error: http://pastebin.com/e4uakBLx is this my fault? |
| 02:23.04 | rowdy_yates | hello all |
| 02:23.17 | nsadmin | carandraug, the thing is that kind of thing might only apply to you... you need more information: does someone else with wireless have your issue? since that's VERY unlikely, you want to get more specific, the most specific you can get is exact same machine, same wireless, same release of debian and same driver and firmware that you are using |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | sney: i have the newest plugin verison from their site, newest flash available via updateflashpluginnonfree |
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| 02:23.42 | mjacob | i'm installing this in a chroot environment to enable remote cryptsetup password entrance |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | sney: running it from a terminal seems to imply it's missing some library |
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| 02:24.47 | abrotman | sney: or is unable to communicate with itself |
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| 02:25.03 | abrotman | and the IW version is the ESR version in wheezy |
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| 02:26.01 | sney | abrotman, some library? |
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| 02:26.18 | abrotman | sney: pastebin forthcoming! |
| 02:26.27 | sney | that's the spirit. |
| 02:26.37 | nsadmin | I would find someone with same everything as you have, see if the issue applies for that person; if it does, start getting more general, see which thing you could change (and find someone with that) that makes a difference... keep doing that until you have a more complete picture, complete with their stories about their situation... |
| 02:26.50 | nsadmin | optionally find a fix |
| 02:26.55 | nsadmin | then file the bug |
| 02:26.56 | derric | How would I install x-windows without gnome or kde? I just want to use fluxbox. Just install Xorg and fluxbox? |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | sney: http://paste.debian.net/206807/ |
| 02:27.44 | nsadmin | if the person you find with the same everything does not have the issue, don't file the bug; it probably only applies to you |
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| 02:28.00 | carandraug | nsadmin, I would imagine that is specific to the module no? Having same release, same machine same wireless seems unlikely. The only way I can think to reproduce this would be to reinstall Debian and see if the bug persists |
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| 02:28.28 | nsadmin | could be. at this point tho, we're speculating |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | sney: and it worked a few weeks ago .. |
| 02:29.11 | nsadmin | you need actual data for your report |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | sney: in reality, not truly a #debian issue, was more curious if was the only one |
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| 02:29.27 | abrotman | if i was |
| 02:29.54 | nsadmin | carandraug, what's your uname -r? |
| 02:29.55 | sney | can you reproduce the issue in chrome/ium? |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | i haven't tried yet, that was my next step .. |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | like i said, worked a few weeks ago .. |
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| 02:31.05 | dsprc | derric: yes |
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| 02:31.33 | abrotman | and i did remove ~/.config/google-googletalkplugin/ |
| 02:31.45 | derric | dsprc: ty. |
| 02:31.54 | sney | everything works right before it breaks. the most common claim in any trouble ticket is "it just worked $timeframe ago!" |
| 02:32.14 | carandraug | nsadmin, it's a desktop with pieces from old computers from the lab. The wireless card I bought on shop. It's a "white" brand |
| 02:32.14 | carandraug | no way someone would have the same set up |
| 02:32.15 | carandraug | nsadmin, just happened now again. Not sure if you said anything in the mean time |
| 02:32.16 | carandraug | nsadmin, it's a desktop with pieces from old computers from the lab. The wireless card I bought on shop. It's a "white" brand |
| 02:32.16 | carandraug | no way someone would have the same set up |
| 02:32.38 | carandraug | nsadmin, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 02:33.00 | nsadmin | what is that, wheezy? |
| 02:33.31 | sylar | anyone use the nxproxy package? |
| 02:33.32 | carandraug | nsadmin, I have the same version but i368 on a USB stick in the lab. Could try to reproduce it |
| 02:33.40 | carandraug | nsadmin, yes, it's wheezy |
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| 02:34.28 | nsadmin | rigth, that's an example of varying the things under your control... another example is a different wireless card that uses the same driver |
| 02:34.46 | nsadmin | another, try a different kernel |
| 02:35.11 | carandraug | nsadmin, it's not a new thing. It has been around since I installled it on this machine some 6 months ago. When I tried to use this card on another system, I think it didn't even recognize it |
| 02:35.48 | nsadmin | what were you using the wireless card in before this machine/. |
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| 02:36.01 | carandraug | nsadmin, I wasn't using it before |
| 02:36.30 | carandraug | nsadmin, I bought it but it was not working so I put it aside |
| 02:37.00 | nsadmin | howbout a different wireless card? |
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| 02:37.31 | nsadmin | or same card different usb socket |
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| 02:37.36 | carandraug | nsadmin, I don't have another one. ANd I don't know anyone with one either. Everyone uses laptops nowadays |
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| 02:37.58 | carandraug | nsadmin, it's PCI card. Guess I could open it and try another oner |
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| 02:38.48 | nsadmin | do you happen to have one that uses the same driver? |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | just merged nsadmin and nvz .. |
| 02:39.25 | nsadmin | vzdmin? |
| 02:39.33 | carandraug | nsadmin, I don't have any other at all. I meant I could try another PCI slot though I'd be surprised that it made any change |
| 02:39.55 | nvz | say wha? |
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| 02:40.05 | nsadmin | I'd say that's a good idea |
| 02:40.08 | Ghormoon | hi, anyone using clusterssh? when I config tags in /etc/clusters it always starts one more ssh window which fails to translate empty name ... I tihnk I don't have any excessive whitespace in the config :-/ |
| 02:40.39 | nvz | hope you're not referring to the merging |
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| 02:40.55 | nsadmin | no, the pci slot :) |
| 02:41.28 | nsadmin | apparantly abrotman is facilitating the merge... /me reads git diff |
| 02:42.01 | simonlnu | git mergetool: nvzdmin |
| 02:42.43 | nsadmin | WE HAVE BEEN TUVIXED!! |
| 02:43.32 | carandraug | nsadmin, ok. Will try that and the i368 system. Thanks |
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| 02:44.46 | carandraug | I wish I could find what makes it happen. Apparently happens at random occasions. I can go hours without nothing, othertimes, 3 in 20min... |
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| 02:45.34 | nsadmin | anything interesting in the logs? I have been temporarily suspecting things like loose wires and heat issues |
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| 02:46.05 | abrotman | sney: awesome, crashes chromium too |
| 02:46.23 | sney | well at least you've eliminated the browser |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | would try epiphany, but he knows that doesn't have a marshmallow's chance in hell |
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| 02:47.08 | carandraug | nsadmin, I get wanings from kernel if I have a terminal open |
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| 02:50.16 | carandraug | nsadmin, on the logs I only get this couple of lines http://paste.debian.net/206811/ |
| 02:50.21 | abrotman | sney: according to google, i'm not the only one having this issue, though i dont' see a resolution .. oh well |
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| 02:50.46 | sney | abrotman, timestamps on the issue? did it just appear or is it one of those phantom bugs |
| 02:50.50 | carandraug | when I googled they mentioned power saving settings on the BIOS but I don't have them |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | sney: nor the only OS |
| 02:51.12 | sney | well, essentially, flash is a VM in a way |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | oh whoops, does work on windows .. |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | sney: yeah .. oh well, i have other systems with other OSes for the once a month I'll be using it |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | has wasted enough of #debian's time on it :) |
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| 03:16.10 | redwarriors25 | good day |
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| 03:16.51 | redwarriors25 | i have a problem with out of range frequency im always using ctrl alt -,+ what is the permanent solution for this |
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| 03:27.25 | nvz | redwarriors25: well sounds like x is misinformed about your monitor's capabilities.. is there anything strange you're aware of about why it may not be reading the proper values from the monitor? |
| 03:27.44 | nvz | redwarriors25: in any case the solution would likely be to generate a config and specify the sync ranges manually |
| 03:28.02 | redwarriors25 | how can i fix that |
| 03:28.13 | nvz | redwarriors25: however this isn't suppose to happen as the monitor is suppose to communicate its capabilities to the system which is suppose to properly configure output |
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| 03:28.32 | redwarriors25 | how can i fix that error |
| 03:28.51 | nvz | redwarriors25: well you'd start by running X --configure to generate an xorg.conf if you don't have one already as well as determining your monitor's sync ranges by googling or such |
| 03:29.12 | nvz | then you just edit the generated config and enter those sync ranges manually in place of whatever is there |
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| 03:30.46 | nvz | possibilities of why its not reading them could include it the display not being active at the time x starts (possibly an auto-sourcing and power saving display such as a tv being used for other things) or the cable being damaged |
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| 03:37.48 | nvz | it'd be cool if I could come up with a way to have the scroll wheel do in this terminal running screen and irssi, the same thing it does anywhere else, and scroll the window rather than scrolling through the buffer of what I've typed |
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| 03:38.35 | nvz | can't offhand think of where to even start to do that.. heh.. not sure if I need to change X, terminal, screen, or irssi |
| 03:38.48 | derric | Well finally, irc by Wheezy! |
| 03:40.11 | abrotman | could have just done that dist-upgrade :) |
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| 03:43.34 | derric | abrotman: and daemonkeeper I now believe the network trouble with the network trouble with bootstrapping Wheezy is a kernel issue. After getting Wheezy working with the install kernerl, I tried the kernel I was using and the boot failed with a simalar network err. I guess the difference between the 2.6.39 and the 3.2.x kernels is just to much. I did build a 3.2.33 kernel, based on the the old 2.6.39 config, although that's what failed. I g |
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| 03:50.21 | abrotman | derric: you were truncated |
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| 03:54.01 | derric | abrotman: What was the last word? |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | g |
| 03:54.23 | nvz | derric: what failed. I g |
| 03:54.26 | nvz | heh |
| 03:54.34 | nvz | I figured you'd say that |
| 03:54.55 | derric | I guess the difference between the 2.6.39 and the 3.2.x kernels is just to much. I did build a 3.2.33 kernel, based on the the old 2.6.39 config, although that's what failed. I guess I have to start hacking the vanilla 3.2.x kernel from scratch. |
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| 03:56.15 | derric | nvs: The networking in bootstrapped wheezy. |
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| 03:57.47 | nvz | yeah I tell people this all the time, that its not safe to assume oldconfig will work on a major version change |
| 03:58.28 | nvz | I personally go through every option in menuconfig everytime I compile.. I like to see whats new and learn about the features and carefully consider them |
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| 03:58.41 | nvz | takes time, but seems worth it considering its not something you do often |
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| 04:08.18 | derric | nvz: Actually I've build over fifty kernels lately, fine tuning 2.6.x to my needs. I had yet to start on 3.0. I thought I'd incrementally work my way up to the current version without making too large a leap. |
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| 04:08.44 | derric | nvz: Although this trouble with Wheezy put me the fast track. |
| 04:09.06 | nvz | derric: I think its like that "shake it more than twice, and you're playing with it" kinda deals :-P |
| 04:10.04 | derric | nvz: Wha-at? Building kernels? With all those options it's a perishable skill... |
| 04:11.06 | nvz | yeah well I've got like 12 years experience doing it so the need to do it 50 times in a row are long past |
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| 04:11.33 | nvz | I built two in the last month and dont use either :-P |
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| 04:12.41 | nvz | was rather intrigued by the new lazy kernel feature.. at least thats what I call it.. its an interface to allow userspace apps to put power management locks on the kernel and if there aren't any, it just puts the system to sleep.. seemed cool to me |
| 04:13.53 | trewn | new installation of CUPS. asking for username and password in order to login as administrator. i have created user and password with command 'lppasswd' but still failed to login. |
| 04:14.06 | nvz | one of those paradigm shifting features that takes us out of the days of "shut down the computer when done" kinda options |
| 04:14.30 | trewn | i have restarted the system after creating user with password. |
| 04:14.42 | dvs | trewn: Why not add that user to the lpadmin group? |
| 04:14.45 | nvz | trewn: for me, and I never heard of lppasswd. I just logged in as root with the root passwd |
| 04:15.11 | trewn | ok, will try nvz's first, then dvs's. |
| 04:15.31 | nvz | I've probably printed something maybe 3 times in the last decade.. so naturally I'm not overly familiar with the particulars of it |
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| 04:17.43 | nvz | I can't even remember the last time I printed something.. but the last time I remember printing something was during the Bayer Migration project I did in 2008.. heh |
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| 04:20.58 | cretsiah | any ideas how to stop a windows only online game telling you it doesnt work in a virtual machine......trying to play talismanonline with wine |
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| 04:22.50 | trewn | nvz: thks, works fine. should have thought of that. |
| 04:24.07 | trewn | nvz: i seldom print too. just that i have installed a new Squeeze, got to ensure that the basic hardwares are working. |
| 04:24.55 | nvz | trewn: well you helped me realize how to properly do it.. but when using a local print server and accessing it via the loopback device.. using root seems to be the way to go.. |
| 04:25.24 | nvz | naturally thats not a good idea where you're actually deplowing a print server and using it across the network |
| 04:25.40 | trewn | yeah |
| 04:25.50 | trewn | bye |
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| 04:26.25 | nvz | cretsiah: what about it makes it windows only? |
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| 04:27.14 | cretsiah | that it only has a install file as .exe there is no linux equivalent but its a cool game, some say it is similar to WOW but free |
| 04:27.18 | nvz | ah.. its a win32 binary.. I first thought you meant an in-brwser game |
| 04:27.40 | nvz | cretsiah: /msg me |
| 04:29.36 | nvz | well actually support for that game isn't clearly listed.. but I was gonna say I could email you a several year old copy of crossover games to try |
| 04:29.46 | nvz | but you could just the same download a trial of the latest |
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| 04:30.11 | nvz | they gave it away free years ago.. |
| 04:30.29 | lusers | w 13 |
| 04:30.45 | derric | nvz: Well, I'm still learning. I did get the 2.6 kernel running quite crisply on my old machine. I need to build a new machine with multi-processor core and all the new features. Someday when I have more money. |
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| 04:35.01 | bool | will xfce 4.8 be replaced by 4.10 in wheezy any time soon? |
| 04:35.30 | nvz | bool: never |
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| 04:35.49 | nvz | bool: if its not already in there it won't be.. wheezy is frozen |
| 04:36.15 | bool | ah.. ok :s |
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| 04:37.40 | trewn | what's the debian package to view quicktime clip online? |
| 04:37.57 | trewn | with iceweasel. |
| 04:39.22 | trewn | and for Squeeze. |
| 04:39.57 | bool | totem-mozilla |
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| 04:57.10 | Rug | Is it possible to convert and Ubuntu 10.10 to Debian Stable? |
| 04:57.32 | nvz | Rug: theoretically.. they even have a tool called debtakeover |
| 04:57.43 | Rug | nvz: awesome thanks |
| 04:58.03 | nvz | Rug: main issue would be to see if you have core libraries that are newer, which could be problematic |
| 04:58.23 | nvz | i.e. if libc6 is newer on Ubuntu 10.10 than on Debian 6.0.6 |
| 04:58.56 | nvz | Rug: if you happen to have /home on a separate partition installing debian over top of ubuntu would be quicker, and less painful |
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| 04:59.48 | Rug | My real problem is that I am using a MacbookPro, that I can only install 1 old copy of ubuntu onto, and then keep the upgrades low. (hence the desire to goto debian stable) |
| 05:00.12 | peterrooney | Rug: beware that different versions of programs may have different configuration and cache formats |
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| 05:05.01 | trewn | bool: sorry, was away from keyboard. i am using mplayer. will gecko-media-player be more appropriate? |
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| 05:13.16 | kristian_-_ | cheers |
| 05:13.44 | kristian_-_ | abrotman, I got it working! I had to get an outdated version of flash, but it runs okay-ish now |
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| 05:16.38 | waynr | i am looking for where debian stores its linux kernel source |
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| 05:27.37 | somiaj | waynr: in what sense? By default the source isn't installed. There is a kernel-source package wich puts a tar ball in /usr/src. Or you can install the 'source' package for the kernels which contains the upstream source, the debian patches and the rules to build the debian packages from the source |
| 05:27.39 | KsM | waynr: apt-get source linux-image-(version) ? |
| 05:27.47 | KsM | or that |
| 05:27.55 | somiaj | I guess it is linux-source now |
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| 05:31.07 | ikla2 | how do I install software raid with grub2? |
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| 05:46.52 | somiaj | grub2 dosen't create software raid, maybe rephrase your question or start here http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID ikla2 |
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| 05:47.54 | somiaj | http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.boot-raid-squeeze&l=it or maybe that |
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| 05:53.30 | waynr | KsM, somiaj, i was actually looking for http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/trunk/linux/debian/patches which I have now found |
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| 05:53.57 | waynr | for some reason i was expecting a complete source tree...somewhere? |
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| 05:54.12 | somiaj | waynr: I told you two ways to get it |
| 05:54.38 | somiaj | the linux-source package ahs a complete source tre with the patches alrady applied, or the source package has the patches and upstream source split up |
| 05:55.15 | waynr | i see that now, thank you very much |
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| 05:58.38 | redwarriors25 | how can i fix the out of range in debian |
| 05:59.10 | LtL | redwarriors25: you were told |
| 05:59.28 | redwarriors25 | how |
| 05:59.44 | LtL | redwarriors25: find the exact specs on your monitr, enter them in an xorg.conf |
| 06:00.09 | LtL | redwarriors25: vsync hsync at hertz |
| 06:00.15 | redwarriors25 | ok may i ask what the commands |
| 06:00.32 | LtL | redwarriors25: many examples on the net |
| 06:00.38 | redwarriors25 | what should i put inside the xorg.conf |
| 06:00.44 | redwarriors25 | ok |
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| 06:18.23 | nvz | redwarriors25: wow, where did you go.. I was telling you how to do this hours ago.. |
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| 06:19.51 | nvz | redwarriors25: once you generated the xorg.conf using X --configure, and googled your monitor make/model sync ranges i.e. "Viewsonic VA720 hsync", you oook in the xorg.conf for where it says hsync and vrefresh and replace those values with the ones for your monitor |
| 06:20.20 | nvz | redwarriors25: this should restrict X to only making modelines that your monitor can support |
| 06:21.32 | nvz | redwarriors25: its long since not been suppose to be required as monitors have a means of communicating their capabilities and X auto-detects settings.. so the fact tht yours doesnt work likely indicated your monitor is ANCIENT, has a bad cable (can't read the EDID info), or is not available due to being asleep or sourced to another input when X starts |
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| 06:22.46 | afidegnum | hello, where do I get packages for php5-fpm ? |
| 06:23.24 | afidegnum | i want to install php5-fpm and I am refered to dotdeb packages which I don't want to do in oorder to avoid serious problemed i recently faced. |
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| 06:24.46 | nvz | afidegnum: seems to be in wheezy |
| 06:25.01 | nvz | afidegnum: you could attempt a simple sid backport if using squeeze |
| 06:25.26 | nvz | though its libc6 dependancy for the wheezy package anyhow can be satisfied by squeeze.. I dont care to run down all its deps |
| 06:25.32 | afidegnum | euh, what is teh command to type please? |
| 06:25.38 | nvz | !ssb |
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| 06:25.52 | nvz | ah dpkg is still gone |
| 06:25.58 | nvz | ravenbird: ssb? |
| 06:26.00 | ravenbird | nvz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 06:26.10 | nvz | apt: ssb? |
| 06:26.29 | nvz | wow, no bot love.. |
| 06:26.43 | Gangnam_sty1e | someone seen travelling matt? |
| 06:27.14 | nvz | no clue what that is, which means its probably offtopic.. try #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:27.24 | Gangnam_sty1e | thats a dude |
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| 06:27.42 | nvz | a dude eh? I'm a dude, you're a dude, we're all dudes.. hey.. |
| 06:27.46 | Zer000 | so how can I start my server (its a python one, tornado) on port 80, without going root? |
| 06:27.57 | Gangnam_sty1e | dudes and dudettes? |
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| 06:28.09 | afidegnum | or is there a better alternative to php-fpm ? |
| 06:29.01 | nvz | afidegnum: First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:29.14 | nvz | I guess I have to be the bot then.. since there arent any around to spit out that factoid.. heh |
| 06:29.39 | nvz | afidegnum: thats the general proceedure for building a backported package from sid |
| 06:29.50 | afidegnum | nvz: can you please offer a link explaining that further ? |
| 06:30.22 | nvz | afidegnum: I could attempt to explain it further.. its not rocket science.. do you even understand the concept of what a backport is or why its necessary? |
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| 06:30.46 | nvz | dpkg: wb |
| 06:30.46 | dpkg | thanks, nvz. It's good to be back. |
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| 06:31.03 | afidegnum | is that mean to install packages from the old source ? |
| 06:31.25 | nvz | afidegnum: well the thing is.. you are using squeeze right? |
| 06:31.40 | nvz | dpkg, depends php5-fpm |
| 06:31.56 | afidegnum | yes, using squeeze |
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| 06:32.02 | dpkg | php5-fpm: pre-depends on dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2~) |
| 06:32.11 | afidegnum | yes |
| 06:32.14 | nvz | wow thats not right |
| 06:32.39 | afidegnum | ? |
| 06:33.12 | afidegnum | ok, php5-fpm depends on php5.3.18 which is not in this systm |
| 06:33.19 | afidegnum | I have php5.3.3 here |
| 06:33.21 | nvz | afidegnum: anyhow the nearest release this package you want is available in is wheezy, and that package built for wheezy was built against newer versions of libraries than you have in squeeze so installing the wheezy package would attempt to upgrade you to wheezy or break the system |
| 06:33.45 | nvz | afidegnum: what backporting does is pulls the SOURCE from the newer version and allows you to compile it against older libraries on your system |
| 06:33.47 | afidegnum | ah, ok ok, I understand |
| 06:34.07 | afidegnum | ok but won't it cause some instability later ? |
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| 06:34.54 | nvz | afidegnum: the process is fully automated as described above.. you add a SOURCE line to your apt sources.list to get the source, you fetch all the needed build dependencies using aptitude build-dep, then use apt-get -b to build the package using the source and build deps |
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| 06:35.15 | nvz | afidegnum: and no, this is how you get it to be fully compatible with your system by backporting it |
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| 06:35.42 | afidegnum | ok |
| 06:36.06 | afidegnum | and allow me to ask again pls, won't it try to upgrade the current version of pph ? |
| 06:36.08 | afidegnum | php ? |
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| 06:36.39 | nvz | afidegnum: no it will not, if the package depends on php, doing a simple sid backport will build it against the version of php you have |
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| 06:36.58 | afidegnum | ah, ok cool |
| 06:37.38 | somiaj | afidegnum: /msg judd check-backport <packagename> -- that is useful to see if the build depends are satisifed (or you have to do aditional work) |
| 06:38.03 | nvz | afidegnum: when you do aptitude build-dep foobar, you're looking up the build deps on that deb-src line for the sid branch.. but since you ONLY have a deb-src line for sid, it pulls the dependencies for the build from your normal squeeze repo |
| 06:38.40 | nvz | then builds against those resulting in a package compatible with your branch |
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| 06:39.24 | afidegnum | that's what judd told me Backporting package php5-fpm in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 06:39.45 | afidegnum | and I am using AMD 64 bit |
| 06:39.48 | nvz | well I knew from glancing at p.d.o that the libc6 was there.. |
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| 06:39.57 | nvz | I didnt know of any tool to quickly check them all |
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| 06:40.25 | nvz | afidegnum: if all deps are met in squeeze (this is RARE) then you can just intall the wheezy package and not even backport |
| 06:40.47 | nvz | afidegnum: could even fetch the package by hand from the wheezy repo if you wanted |
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| 06:40.56 | afidegnum | ok, |
| 06:41.14 | afidegnum | meaning I add wheezy to the end of current debian package right ? |
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| 06:42.00 | somiaj | hmm, looks like php5-fpm is part of the source 'php5', so you may have to backport all of php5 (not sure if that requires upgrading your php5 version or not to get it to work) |
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| 06:43.14 | afidegnum | hmmmm, last time, upgrading my php5 broke other existing package I had forcing me to downgrade them again |
| 06:43.20 | nvz | afidegnum: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-fpm_5.4.4-7_amd64.deb |
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| 06:43.57 | afidegnum | nvz: i think this is for php5.4 right ? |
| 06:43.58 | nvz | afidegnum: change us to your country if need be, for a more local mirror.. |
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| 06:44.14 | somiaj | yea that is the sid/wheezy version. |
| 06:44.18 | somiaj | not sure which |
| 06:44.31 | somiaj | yea that looks like the wheezy version |
| 06:44.39 | nvz | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/php5-fpm |
| 06:44.43 | nvz | its the wheezy version |
| 06:45.40 | somiaj | but since php5-fpm is part of the php5 source package, you are gonna have to backport that whole package, which could cause some compadability issues in squeeze (I'm unsure on the work required to just backport the build stuff so you can build a php5-fpm package for your version of php) |
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| 06:46.36 | nvz | give me three wishes and I'll solve this problem.. php, silverlight, flash..etc wont exist.. heh |
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| 06:52.30 | afidegnum | ok, can i manually compile fpm here? instead of doing that backporting? |
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| 06:52.42 | afidegnum | or that will also request for advanced package? |
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| 06:57.17 | somiaj | yea I'm unsure what you will have to modify in the php5 source package for squeeze to have it build php5-fpm. I just don't think it will be as simple as backporting it |
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| 07:17.36 | KsM | I'm having problems with pulse/alsa |
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| 07:17.48 | KsM | sound keeps stopping after like 4 seconds |
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| 07:23.36 | tralala | It seems that I've messed up my X magic cookie and I can't launch any clients. Is there any way to fix that? |
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| 07:28.32 | nvz | I'm over here fighting with this video file that refuses to play in totem, plays with audio only in vlc, plays fine in mplayer but I can't get the damn subtitles.. and you're talking about magic cookies! heh |
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| 07:29.33 | nvz | tralala: xauth generate :0 . |
| 07:29.49 | nvz | will connect to server :0 and generate the cookie |
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| 07:30.10 | nvz | as for how to get this f'n video to play with audio and subtitles I'm still amiss on that one.. he |
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| 07:30.35 | tralala | nvz, Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxauth: (argv):1: unable to open display ":0" |
| 07:31.00 | nvz | woah.. woah.. just cause I sounded like I knew what I was talking about didn't mean I did.. heh |
| 07:31.10 | nvz | my xauth-fu is limited |
| 07:31.14 | tralala | heh :) |
| 07:31.17 | tralala | so is mine |
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| 07:32.20 | derric | I installed xorg and fluxbox, then iceweasel. Now iceseasel seem to lack the ability to add a plugin. Is there something else I need to get to allow iceweasel to use plugins? |
| 07:32.51 | nkuttler | derric: plugin? |
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| 07:33.38 | derric | I tried installing plugins, when iceweasel restarts the plugin is just missing. |
| 07:33.48 | derric | Like it was never installed. |
| 07:33.53 | nkuttler | derric: how did you install which plugin? |
| 07:34.25 | derric | I went to addons tabs and selected a plugin from the list, clicked on install, then restarted. |
| 07:34.34 | nkuttler | ok, so addon, not plugin |
| 07:34.59 | derric | Plugin. the addons list extensions as well as plugins. |
| 07:35.03 | tralala | ok, just for the record - I managed to fix it my merging the GDM's cookie and then generating a new one |
| 07:35.35 | nkuttler | derric: ah right. but which plugin? the only ones i use are installed through debian packages |
| 07:36.03 | derric | Extentions add on fine, it just the plugins that fail. |
| 07:36.23 | nkuttler | gives up |
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| 07:59.03 | AlexLikeRock | noches :) |
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| 08:33.16 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:33.27 | Takis_GR | hello. how can install debian from a debian live cd???? |
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| 08:34.22 | Agiofws | what do i do when i want to make my pc have get the same IP via dhcp... ? or do i just issue static address in the network configuration ? |
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| 08:35.42 | rozie | Takis_GR: you can use debootstrap to install Debian |
| 08:37.14 | Takis_GR | i have download this firmware-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and i cant install it. :( |
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| 08:39.08 | ChrisH | Takis_GR: How did you try? Boot from this iso or ?? |
| 08:39.33 | ChrisH | Agiofws: assign a static entry in dhcp.conf for that mac address |
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| 08:39.52 | melissublime1 | hi friends. |
| 08:40.11 | melissublime1 | i have a question about yaffs systemfile |
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| 08:40.33 | Takis_GR | i have boot with cd to check my hardware. I need now to install this live cd to pc. I have official debian but missing some drivers :( |
| 08:40.36 | melissublime1 | can i ask it in this room? |
| 08:40.53 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell melissublime1 about ask |
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| 08:41.33 | Agiofws | ChrisH, do i configure that in linux or from my adsl modem ? |
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| 08:41.45 | melissublime1 | i have installed yaffs with nandsim |
| 08:41.58 | melissublime1 | i changed it's code a little. |
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| 08:42.13 | ChrisH | Agiofws: on your DHCP-server. Seems to be your ADSL Modem. |
| 08:42.20 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 08:42.50 | melissublime1 | so when i make a file in it and write on that file with a dmesg command it show that sth had write in yaffs. |
| 08:43.31 | melissublime1 | bit shows >>>>>>>>>data = 875770417 |
| 08:43.31 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856600] completed. |
| 08:43.31 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856601] >>>>>>>>>data length = 8 |
| 08:43.31 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856602] completed. |
| 08:43.31 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856611] >>>>>>>>>>>>>This is the position of encryptionfile structure is: (null) |
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| 08:46.23 | folivora | Gday, I am having performance issues with 1GB link, it seems that when I have multible transfers troughput drops to 60MB/s with one transfer it is around 88MB/s. How I should modify tcp-stack to get optimum performance from 1GB link |
| 08:46.24 | fredl | hi guys. I'm trying to install a wheezy ISO from scratch, the server has Broadcom eXtreme cards so the installer needs the firmware. |
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| 08:47.10 | fredl | I wrote the firmware on a USB stick bnx2/ |
| 08:47.39 | fredl | but the installer doesn't seem to see it. I tried to manually mount the USB stick, that works and I see the firmware it's trying to load. |
| 08:48.01 | fredl | is there a way to manually load the firmware such that the installer will notice and not try again? |
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| 08:49.30 | melissublime1 | every time i write sth in sample file. data is sth odd.i don't know what it is??????? |
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| 08:51.21 | melissublime1 | every time i write sth in sample file. data is sth odd.i don't know what it is??????? |
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| 08:52.31 | Agiofws | ChrisH, i can't seem to find that option on my adsl modem(dhcp server) |
| 08:52.32 | Takis_GR | how can istall this in my pc ???? firmware-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:52.32 | ChrisH | fredl: normal way is, boot from standard ISO and manually install the firmweare packages before rebooting. This of cause does only work if the installer gets the NIC to work. Last time I needed to install I did setup a PXE Server and modified the installer image and added all of the fireware files manually. this was the fastest and most flexible way for me. google showed very quick how to add these files for PXE. |
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| 08:53.35 | ChrisH | Agiofws: Then you need to ask your DSL Support or the vendor of the Modem. Normally there is such an option. |
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| 08:54.13 | sobczyk | hi, is there a way to use apt proxy when debootstrapping a system? I've configured apt::http::proxy but it doesnt get used when bootstrapping |
| 08:54.27 | ChrisH | Takis_GR: dd the iso file on an USB Stick or copy it onto a CD an boot from it. |
| 08:55.15 | Takis_GR | i have boot from the cd. It has lxde but i cant find any installer |
| 08:55.27 | ChrisH | sobczyk: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
| 08:55.37 | fredl | ChrisH, I've set up a PXE environment before, it's not difficult to do, I know. |
| 08:55.57 | fredl | Just this is at the office and 'new things' need some time to settle sometimes :) |
| 08:56.21 | Agiofws | ChrisH, http://imagebin.org/234884 |
| 08:56.35 | fredl | be that as it may be, I *see* the firmware files, but where do I install (manually as you say) them to? |
| 08:56.58 | fredl | isn't there some way to *load* the fw files? |
| 08:57.19 | fredl | they're not like modules are they, where you could do an insmod or something? |
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| 08:57.52 | fredl | coz I figure if you can load them, then make the debian installer skip loading them altogether, the NIc might work regardlessly |
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| 08:58.27 | KsM | does anyone else get a hang when they go for a kexec -e |
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| 08:58.46 | ChrisH | fredl: I did not figure it out the last time, therefore I did the PXE way.... maybe this will help http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
| 08:58.52 | fredl | I've had an ipw2200 that also says during installation that it needs non-free firmware, there I simply skipped it and it worked to the point where I could install over the NIC and later on install the non-free firmware. |
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| 09:00.04 | ChrisH | Agiofws: I can tell yopu how to set it up on Debian DHCP Server, but for your DSL Modem you need to ask the vendor. |
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| 09:00.38 | Agiofws | tc> lan dhcp |
| 09:00.38 | Agiofws | mode server relay |
| 09:00.43 | Agiofws | telnet |
| 09:00.57 | Agiofws | lan dhcp server ? |
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| 09:01.20 | vaequel | Hello guys. |
| 09:01.35 | Agiofws | dnserver gateway pool netmask |
| 09:01.35 | Agiofws | leasetime renewaltime rebindtime ? |
| 09:01.41 | vaequel | I've got problem with mounting encrypted LVM logical volume. |
| 09:02.14 | vaequel | I created encrypted partition with cryptsetup -c serpent -y luksFormat /dev/debia-VG/homeENC, where homeENC is my LV. |
| 09:02.45 | Agiofws | ChrisH, what isthe key word i am looking for ? |
| 09:02.47 | Agiofws | BIND ? |
| 09:03.05 | vaequel | Next I added an entry to the crypttab file: homeFS /dev/mapper/debianVG-homeENC |
| 09:03.16 | ChrisH | Agiofws: dhco server Once more: I can tell yopu how to set it up on Debian DHCP Server, but for your DSL Modem you need to ask the vendor. |
| 09:03.34 | Agiofws | dhcpoption dhcpsvrfilter dhcpautocalc ? |
| 09:03.45 | vaequel | And added to fstab an antry. |
| 09:04.14 | vaequel | I got some intressting warnings during boot. Could anyone of you tell me where can I find them exacly? |
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| 09:05.22 | ChrisH | vaequel: /var/log/boot /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 09:07.26 | vaequel | ChrisH: Don't see it. |
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| 09:08.25 | ilka2 | what would cause ACPI to hang on boot for a long time? |
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| 09:10.53 | mastro | how do I find out which version of this drivers: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ is installed on my debian box? |
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| 09:12.01 | Lasse- | mastro: dpkg -s xf86-video-intel |
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| 09:13.48 | Lasse- | or dpkg -s xf86-video-intel|grep Version to get it in easy to read format. |
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| 09:14.17 | vaequel | Any ideas? |
| 09:14.24 | Crypticfortune | Hi. I'm trying to make my japanese text not-ugly. For some reason fonts like IPAGothic and IPAMincho keep getting used when fonts that look much beter like VLGothic or Sanami Mincho look better. I moved my favorite fonts to the top of fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf but things keep rendering in IPA*whatever... does <prefer> not take order into account? |
| 09:14.37 | Crypticfortune | Is there some way to imply "priority" to font preference? |
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| 09:15.13 | vaequel | I'm able to open the device manually without problems. |
| 09:15.52 | ChrisH | vaequel: What is your question? How to get the warinings or how to automatically mount the Filesystems? |
| 09:15.59 | mastro | Lasse-, you mean xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 09:16.01 | mastro | ? |
| 09:16.48 | vaequel | ChrisH: Both. How to mount encrypted FS automaticlly and how to get warnings. |
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| 09:17.07 | ChrisH | vaequel: is the LVOL encrypted or the PV? |
| 09:17.51 | vaequel | LVOL. |
| 09:18.08 | Lasse- | mastro: Not sure what the package is called in Debian. |
| 09:18.55 | ChrisH | vaequel: I only did encrypted PVs till now. Please pastebin /etc/crypttab |
| 09:19.00 | ChrisH | vaequel: I only did encrypted PVs till now. Please pastebin /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab |
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| 09:21.45 | vaequel | ChrisH: Ok. Moment. I will copy txt file. |
| 09:22.56 | Lasse- | mastro: but that command works for any package naturally. |
| 09:23.06 | Lasse- | that has been installed. |
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| 09:24.54 | vaequel | msx: ChrisH Ok. I've some problems with pendrive. |
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| 09:25.02 | vaequel | msx: ChrisH Can we talk on PM? |
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| 09:25.30 | vaequel | msx: Sry. |
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| 09:26.43 | fredl | ChrisH - I've figured it out with the firmware files. Simply mkdir -p /lib/firmware/<uname -r>, copy the bnx2 dir there, and let the Debian installer probe again |
| 09:26.48 | mastro | Lasse-, actually: dpkg -s xf86-video-intel ---> dpkg-query: package 'xf86-video-intel' is not installed and no information is available |
| 09:26.59 | mastro | Lasse-, and there's no package xf86-video-intel on my system |
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| 09:27.11 | fredl | the re-probe will see the firmware files installed then and load them from there. |
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| 09:30.18 | ChrisH | fredl: thats easier then setting up a PXE env :) |
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| 09:40.46 | melissublime1 | have installed yaffs with nandsim .i changed it's code a little.so when i make a file in it and write on that file with a dmesg command it show that sth had been write in yaffs.now i made a file called sample and i wrote 1234567. what dmesg showd me was data and data length .data length=8 but data was:875770417 |
| 09:41.01 | melissublime1 | every time i write sth in sample file. data is sth odd.i don't know what it is?????? |
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| 09:42.07 | boudiccas | melissublime1, what does 'sth' mean please? |
| 09:42.33 | melissublime1 | someyhing..sorry for mistakes |
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| 09:43.07 | melissublime1 | boudiccas: something |
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| 09:43.40 | melissublime1 | i jast can't understand what is that number? |
| 09:43.52 | melissublime1 | where it had come from? |
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| 09:45.10 | melissublime1 | is it the address of data? |
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| 09:45.39 | Lasse- | mastro: the package is called xserver-xorg-video-intel like you said. |
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| 09:49.33 | melissublime1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.49 | melissublime1 | every time i write sth in sample file. data is sth odd.i don't know what it is?????? |
| 09:50.07 | Dewi | every time people write 'sth' I pretend they mean "Sith" |
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| 09:50.18 | Dewi | but sadly, it rarely makes sense grammatically. |
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| 09:50.46 | melissublime1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.56 | simonlnu | melissublime1: we need more context. also, repeating yourself is unneeded. |
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| 09:51.14 | melissublime1 | dewi is it right now |
| 09:51.17 | simonlnu | especially if it wasn't very long ago that you did |
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| 09:51.37 | boudiccas | Dewi, here ion the UKJ 'sth' means South! very cionfusing |
| 09:51.56 | Dewi | melissublime1: oh, thanks. I was just joking, I knew what you meant |
| 09:53.31 | melissublime1 | Dewi :P |
| 09:55.37 | melissublime1 | no one knows? i really don't know where i should find my answer.do you know any room which relate me to this subject: yaffs filesystem? |
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| 09:55.51 | Dewi | melissublime1: I've never even heard of the yaffs filesystem |
| 09:55.54 | simonlnu | !yaffs |
| 09:56.05 | melissublime1 | yaffs2 |
| 09:56.09 | simonlnu | the bot doesn't know either |
| 09:56.12 | simonlnu | !yaffs2 |
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| 09:56.45 | melissublime1 | so let's forget it is yaffs.just think it is a kind of filesystem |
| 09:56.48 | Dewi | melissublime1: you might have to see if there's a mailing list associated with the project |
| 09:56.55 | Dewi | that's someties all the community small projects will have |
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| 09:57.16 | simonlnu | !yaffs is <reply>YAFFS is Yet Another Flash File System |
| 09:57.16 | dpkg | okay, simonlnu |
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| 09:58.16 | Dewi | melissublime1: I think you pretty much need to back out your changes, test, and then gradually reintroduce your changes until you isolate the bug |
| 09:58.50 | Dewi | melissublime1: and I can't see any "usual" way that 1234567 would become 875770417 |
| 09:59.16 | melissublime1 | no no |
| 09:59.25 | melissublime1 | not only for numbers |
| 09:59.41 | simonlnu | melissublime1: they might have their own channel on this network |
| 09:59.53 | oskie | hello |
| 10:00.51 | melissublime1 | for example when i write how are you in that file ...dmesg shows me this : |
| 10:00.57 | melissublime1 | >>>>>>>>>data = 875770417 |
| 10:00.58 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856600] completed. |
| 10:00.58 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856601] >>>>>>>>>data length = 8 |
| 10:00.58 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856602] completed. |
| 10:00.58 | melissublime1 | [ 4305.856611] >>>>>>>>>>>>>This is the position of encryptionfile structure is: (null) |
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| 10:01.29 | cretsiah | i installed the nvidia driver for my system, the only way i can have a menu button is by having 1280x1024 but i would prefer to have 1024x768 if i do that though i lose the menu bar whats with that? |
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| 10:01.50 | melissublime1 | so |
| 10:01.52 | melissublime1 | ? |
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| 10:02.29 | Dewi | melissublime1: are you sure "data" is the actual data? it looks more like a handle of some kind, like a file handle |
| 10:02.36 | dsprc | !paste | melissublime1 |
| 10:02.36 | dpkg | | melissublime1: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 10:02.38 | cretsiah | well if i change to nautilus i cant log out, change anything |
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| 10:04.02 | simonlnu | dsprc: as you saw, the | is pointless :) |
| 10:04.05 | Dewi | melissublime1: you would probably be better off asking in a development or programming language channel |
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| 10:04.37 | useless-eater | hi guys, how to config rpcbind to listen on one nic only? |
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| 10:05.09 | dsprc | simonlnu: beware the stray pipes! :P |
| 10:05.20 | simonlnu | heehee |
| 10:05.31 | simonlnu | they can trip you up |
| 10:05.56 | Dewi | you'll find yourself forked and file descriptors slammed shut in your face |
| 10:06.10 | melissublime1 | Dewi: do you know any? |
| 10:06.28 | joltcan | useless-eater: I would assume it's somewhere in /etc/defaults where you could add that as a startup option |
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| 10:06.37 | joltcan | useless-eater: But I don't know which since I don't run it |
| 10:06.50 | Dewi | melissublime1: sorry, no. I'm sure there is a C channel but you might want more like kernel development or something |
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| 10:07.09 | melissublime1 | http://paste.debian.net/206858 |
| 10:07.13 | simonlnu | or /join #yaffs |
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| 10:07.37 | simonlnu | ok, no such channel |
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| 10:08.15 | melissublime1 | simonlnu: :P asn't #yaffs very populated |
| 10:08.24 | melissublime1 | ? |
| 10:08.29 | inthl | lots of servers at hetzner just went down, can anyone confirm that? |
| 10:08.32 | simonlnu | melissublime1: go see the wikipedia page, or their web site. seems to me that 875770417 number is a reference to the "ObjectID" |
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| 10:09.01 | simonlnu | i block hetzner |
| 10:09.35 | inthl | hm works again, something very temporary obviously.. nevermind |
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| 10:11.23 | melissublime1 | i wrote "happy" in my yaffs sample file.dmesg printed: http://paste.debian.net/206861/ |
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| 10:12.12 | melissublime1 | no one knows what is that number which describes data? |
| 10:12.17 | melissublime1 | in http://paste.debian.net/206861/ |
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| 10:14.32 | Dewi | melissublime1: it looks like a random 32-bit number |
| 10:15.31 | Dewi | (the binary lengths are usually around 29-31 bits in length) |
| 10:15.50 | Dewi | I would say memory offset but they normally would not vary by that much |
| 10:15.59 | Dewi | (unless you were using gigabytes of memory) |
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| 10:20.37 | melissublime1 | Dewi: it seems logical :) |
| 10:21.03 | melissublime1 | what if it be object ID? can it be? |
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| 10:30.17 | mastro | <Lasse-> mastro: the package is called xserver-xorg-video-intel like you said. «« then I do not understand it is version 2:2.19.0-6 -- how that map to the versions I see here: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2012.02.html (ex. 12.02) |
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| 10:30.53 | useless-eater | joltcan: thanks, coldnt see how to fix it. rcpbind is for nfs only, but no need to accept things from 0.0.0.0 :\ exports file do not export anything to more than a few addresses. |
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| 11:00.53 | spectie | hello all |
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| 11:01.13 | spectie | anyone got an idea why i am getting this error when i try to open iceweasel (i can't pastebin because i can't open iceweasel) |
| 11:01.15 | spectie | Error d'anà lisi XML: entitat no definida |
| 11:01.15 | spectie | Ubicació: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul |
| 11:01.15 | spectie | Número de lÃnia 260, Columna 5: <key id="key_devToolbar" keycode="&devToolbar.keycode;" modifiers="shift" |
| 11:01.15 | spectie | ----^ |
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| 11:01.35 | babilen | !tell spectie -about nopaste |
| 11:01.38 | spectie | Error in XML analysis: entity not defined |
| 11:01.40 | spectie | hi babilen |
| 11:01.41 | spectie | yes, i know |
| 11:01.43 | babilen | !tell spectie -about localized errors |
| 11:01.44 | spectie | and i would use it |
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| 11:01.49 | spectie | i'm translating it |
| 11:01.49 | babilen | spectie: So, why don't you? |
| 11:01.54 | spectie | because i can't open iceweasel |
| 11:01.56 | spectie | to pastebin it |
| 11:01.59 | spectie | like i said above |
| 11:02.04 | spectie | before i pasted the error |
| 11:02.15 | spectie | i didn't know about the localised errors thing, but here is the translation: |
| 11:02.22 | spectie | Error in XML analysis: entity not defined |
| 11:02.27 | spectie | Location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul |
| 11:02.40 | spectie | Line number 260, Column 5: <key id="key_devToolbar" keycode="&devToolbar.keycode;" modifiers="shift" |
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| 11:02.52 | spectie | i have tried reinstalling the package |
| 11:02.53 | babilen | spectie: You don't have to translate it as you can just call it with "LC_ALL=C" -- And *please* use nopaste to paste it to http://paste.debian.net (or another pastebin, read "man nopaste" after installing it) |
| 11:03.25 | spectie | ok, here is what i'm going to do |
| 11:03.28 | spectie | since i can't open my browser |
| 11:04.00 | babilen | spectie: We will also require the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy iceweasel" -- It looks as if you, somehow, set the start page to "chrome://browser/content/browser.xul" which is probably working with chromium, but not iceweasel |
| 11:04.12 | babilen | !nopaste |
| 11:04.12 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 11:04.19 | babilen | spectie: did you actually read that ^^ ? |
| 11:04.21 | spectie | one sec |
| 11:04.54 | spectie | http://ilazki.thinkgeek.co.uk/~spectre/my_debian_error.txt |
| 11:04.55 | spectie | here |
| 11:05.05 | spectie | i've put the apt-cache policy output at the end |
| 11:05.16 | spectie | i don't have chromium |
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| 11:06.16 | spectie | (i added the apt-cache policy chromium output to the end of the file) |
| 11:07.00 | babilen | spectie: You probably have Chrome installed though (as you have google's unsupported third-party repos in there) |
| 11:07.05 | spectie | no i don't |
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| 11:07.12 | spectie | i don't want chrome |
| 11:07.15 | spectie | or any other browser |
| 11:07.18 | spectie | i just want iceweasel |
| 11:07.47 | spectie | the only google thing i have installed is the google chat/video/talk thingummy |
| 11:08.00 | babilen | ah |
| 11:08.11 | babilen | spectie: And you get that error when you run "iceweasel" ? |
| 11:08.14 | spectie | yes |
| 11:08.33 | spectie | 'chrome' is some iceweasel thing about skinning the browser i think |
| 11:08.38 | babilen | spectie: Could you create a different user and try it again? (as the new user) |
| 11:08.47 | spectie | it works as root |
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| 11:09.00 | babilen | spectie: What about a new user? |
| 11:09.25 | simonlnu | babilen: iw et al. also use the chrome:// scheme |
| 11:09.27 | babilen | spectie: Does it work if you "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox{,_old}" ? |
| 11:09.54 | babilen | simonlnu: Yeah, I just found information on that. :-D Evil thems for putting me on a wrong trail |
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| 11:10.13 | spectie | babilen, no |
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| 11:10.34 | spectie | (no to the mv ~/.mozilla ...) |
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| 11:11.14 | spectie | doesn't work as a diff user |
| 11:11.16 | spectie | either |
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| 11:11.44 | babilen | spectie: I see that you are running testing and that you installed the backported version of iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net -- That is, almost certainly, a bad idea. Not sure if it explains your error, but you *should* install it from experimental (as discussed on http://mozilla.debian.net too) |
| 11:11.54 | spectie | i can't open my browser |
| 11:11.58 | spectie | so pasting me links |
| 11:12.01 | spectie | :( |
| 11:12.07 | babilen | spectie: So in short: It works as root, but not as a "normal" user? |
| 11:12.07 | spectie | but it was working before i upgraded |
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| 11:12.15 | babilen | is not surprised |
| 11:12.24 | spectie | yes |
| 11:12.26 | spectie | exactly |
| 11:12.32 | spectie | i just tried it again as root |
| 11:12.34 | spectie | and it opens |
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| 11:13.35 | babilen | spectie: Well, you installed a package meant for squeeze on wheezy -- I am not entirely sure why you disregarded the instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net and why you think that it should work, but I would recommend to try the version in wheezy. Confirm that that version works and then try the version from experimental. *Do not* install backports on wheezy as the packages are *not* meant to be used on wheezy. |
| 11:13.50 | babilen | spectie: I am, however, not sure why it works as root. |
| 11:13.56 | spectie | babilen, could you give me the apt line i need to put to install the version in experimental |
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| 11:14.07 | spectie | and probably i upgraded because i hoped that HTML5 would work |
| 11:14.12 | spectie | so that i could stop using gnash |
| 11:14.18 | spectie | which is slow as hell and the sound doesn't work |
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| 11:14.30 | spectie | also, it might have been because i wanted to videochat |
| 11:14.51 | babilen | !tell spectie -about experimental |
| 11:15.00 | spectie | i'll comment out the last two lines in sources.list |
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| 11:15.22 | babilen | spectie: don't forget to purge the bpo packages and remove the entries for http://mozilla.debian.net from your sources.list |
| 11:15.28 | simonlnu | babilen: :) |
| 11:15.36 | spectie | i've commented out the entries |
| 11:15.40 | spectie | run apt-get update |
| 11:15.43 | spectie | what is "bpo" |
| 11:15.59 | simonlnu | !bpo |
| 11:16.00 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 11:16.32 | spectie | it wants to upgrade 800 packages |
| 11:16.33 | babilen | spectie: And read the instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net *again* -- You can choose "testing (Wheezy)" in a drop-down menu in the "«I am running Debian [DROP ...]" wajig at the top. |
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| 11:17.21 | spectie | hmm |
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| 11:17.27 | spectie | maybe 'upgrade' doesn't work with a package |
| 11:18.55 | spectie | what is 'iceweasel-release' ? |
| 11:19.11 | babilen | No, it doesn't. You *should* however make sure that your system is up-to-date and "dist-upgrade" is often needed on testing/unstable. |
| 11:19.41 | spectie | policy |
| 11:19.46 | spectie | says that the version is the same |
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| 11:19.49 | spectie | in wheezy as in backports |
| 11:19.58 | babilen | It's not |
| 11:20.02 | spectie | ah no |
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| 11:20.40 | spectie | i can't wait until i get time to reinstall |
| 11:20.49 | spectie | this system has been going nearly 5 years |
| 11:20.52 | spectie | and is a bit of a mess |
| 11:20.54 | spectie | because i'm lazy |
| 11:21.15 | spectie | well, also frightened of upgrades breaking stuff when i've got a lot of work on |
| 11:22.20 | babilen | Maybe running testing is not the best idea then? |
| 11:22.29 | spectie | well, i also want stuff to work |
| 11:22.29 | spectie | :) |
| 11:22.37 | spectie | e.g. have features |
| 11:23.34 | spectie | anyway, one day next year, when i've finished my phd, i'm going to get a new laptop and do things properly |
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| 11:23.56 | babilen | spectie: I would recommend the following: 1. Clean up your sources.list 2. Purge packages installed from bdo or http://mozilla.debian.net 3. Upgrade the entire system so that you are up-to-date. (tips in #debian-next's /topic (irc.oftc.net) apply, such as install apt-listbugs) 4. Reinstall iceweasel from wheezy and test again (5. Pull IW from experimental) |
| 11:24.38 | spectie | ok |
| 11:24.42 | spectie | iceweasel is working now |
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| 11:24.55 | spectie | thanks for your help, babilen |
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| 11:25.34 | babilen | spectie: You are welcome -- Good luck with the upgrade (let us know if you need help with that) and your PhD :) |
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| 11:25.46 | spectie | thanks! :) |
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| 11:35.51 | hajar | How can i install lsb-dtk-manager for debian? |
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| 11:47.32 | Pajilleitor | WWW.JIZZDAY.COM |
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| 11:49.25 | simonlnu | sighs |
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| 12:02.00 | afidegnum | hello, I want to move all the contents of newpath1 /file/my/newpath/newpath1 to files/my/newpath where some contents of newpath1 seems idendical to newpath ther are subdirectories inside newpath1 what si the command to use? I am using the mv command which seems not working |
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| 12:17.34 | ChrisH | afidegnum: man mv search for --update |
| 12:17.50 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 12:18.07 | ChrisH | afidegnum: Might be an apporach |
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| 12:23.27 | TomyBook | i want to set up a proxy for debian packages. which proxy should i use? |
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| 12:25.21 | TomyBook | apt-proxy? apt-cacher? |
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| 12:32.40 | ChrisH | TomyBook: apt-cacher-ng can work transparent to the client by simply adding its IP:Port as proxy for the clients |
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| 12:37.03 | TomyBook | ChrisH, ah thanks... is there a way that requires no changes to clients, except maybe installing a package? |
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| 12:38.19 | TomyBook | any problem hosting apt-cacher-ng from the ubuntu archive on a ubuntu machine, but serving debian clients? |
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| 12:39.30 | ChrisH | TomyBook: I would not expect a problem with an ubuntu apt-cacher-ng. You need to tell the client just to use a proxy server, thats all. |
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| 12:43.04 | TomyBook | thanks |
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| 12:43.34 | thomaschaaf | I am trying to build a package which automatically configures files for me. (such as overwrite /etc/default/hostapd) now I get the error when I try to install the package: trying to overwrite '/etc/default/hostapd', which is also in package hostapd 1:1.0-2 what is the correct way to do thiS? |
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| 12:46.45 | Brigo | thomaschaaf: do not create the file, update it. |
| 12:46.58 | Brigo | do not overwrite it, modify it. |
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| 12:47.31 | Brigo | It can't exist one file in 2 package |
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| 12:52.55 | thomaschaaf | Brigo: how can I update it? Are there tools for that? |
| 12:53.03 | thomaschaaf | maybe an article I can read? |
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| 12:53.34 | Brigo | thomaschaaf: it is really hard. |
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| 12:54.04 | Brigo | Your better aproach, if enable, is use .d/ directory. |
| 12:54.30 | thomaschaaf | like a /etc/default.d/ directory? |
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| 12:54.35 | Brigo | For example, /etc/hostap.d if exist. |
| 12:54.39 | Brigo | yes |
| 12:54.49 | Brigo | it a "debian way" |
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| 12:55.21 | Brigo | you can create files in .d and they overwrite the config file. |
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| 12:55.36 | Brigo | that's why .d/ directory exists. |
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| 12:57.13 | apm1 | i have built the ee editor from source but it just won't run or install |
| 12:57.15 | Brigo | if there is not .d/ directory you have to test the hostap.conf version and make a script than modify this verion. And one more for each version of hostap.conf. You will not can deal with user modifes hostap.conf. |
| 12:57.24 | apm1 | here is the source http://mahon.cwx.net/sources/ee-1.5.2.src.tgz |
| 12:57.34 | Brigo | modifies* |
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| 13:03.12 | ChrisH | apm1: what is the advantage of ee over eg. vi? The need of manually compiling it? |
| 13:03.48 | apm1 | ChrisH, well ee needs no learning at all to use |
| 13:04.29 | ChrisH | apm1: vi is a short (but steep) learning curve and its avaliable on all platforms I used |
| 13:05.47 | apm1 | ChrisH, agreed but i would first like to use "ee " , and also i believe someone should package ee for debian too |
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| 13:06.44 | ChrisH | apm1: not another editor! We have vi and emacs thats sufficent. sed and awk do the rest |
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| 13:07.56 | abrotman | and even nano for those that find those two difficult |
| 13:08.03 | apm1 | ChrisH, look man i will really appreciate help building "ee" , not in building philosophy |
| 13:08.32 | ChrisH | apm1: Then start and provide details on your problems... pastebin what you did and what happened |
| 13:08.38 | apm1 | abrotman, nano sometimes has troubles with pasting |
| 13:08.47 | abrotman | so use a real editor :) |
| 13:09.04 | abrotman | there are dozens of text editors in Debian lready |
| 13:09.17 | ChrisH | gvim is the second SW to be installed on a Windows system after putty :) |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | apm1: and you haven't even given us any errors to work with |
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| 13:09.52 | abrotman | ChrisH: cygwin is third? :) |
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| 13:10.02 | abrotman | would think a real browser would be first |
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| 13:10.31 | Proximus | Hi guys |
| 13:10.36 | ChrisH | abrotman: no... a real browser most times... I prefer real UNIX environments via ssh instead of cygwin |
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| 13:10.48 | Proximus | Why is Debian better than FreeBSD? |
| 13:10.54 | Proximus | Or BackTrack 5? |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | !tell Proximus about why debian |
| 13:11.40 | abrotman | ChrisH: cygwin ain't bad in a pinch :) |
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| 13:12.23 | Proximus | Thanks abrotman |
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| 13:12.46 | apm1 | the problem is when i build or install , there are no errors |
| 13:12.52 | ChrisH | abrotman: I never used it and I still keep the contact with Windows to a minimum. |
| 13:13.02 | apm1 | it just refuses to run and lags forever |
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| 13:13.36 | Esa_1 | Good morning! |
| 13:13.54 | ChrisH | apm1: pastebin to paste.debian.net ldd -v $binary; uname -a |
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| 13:14.18 | abrotman | ChrisH: right, agreed, but in that offchance :) |
| 13:14.19 | ChrisH | apm1: test without pasting at the beginning. strace ee and see it it loops or just hangs |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | apm1: or try strace |
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| 13:18.11 | apm1 | nvm it worked |
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| 13:19.55 | simonlnu | "has troubles with pasting" >> turn auto-indent off >> alt-i or esc-i |
| 13:20.06 | simonlnu | (with nano) |
| 13:20.21 | simonlnu | apm1: ^^^ |
| 13:21.06 | ChrisH | or :set no autoindent on [g]vi[m] |
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| 13:21.49 | abrotman | what about nvi?! |
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| 13:22.11 | simonlnu | :paste/:nopaste :pastetoggle for vim |
| 13:22.18 | ChrisH | abrotman: nvi ? never heard of before |
| 13:22.26 | simonlnu | srsly? |
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| 13:22.42 | abrotman | ChrisH: haven'y ou been using Debian since 1998?! |
| 13:22.48 | abrotman | leaves out random letters |
| 13:23.19 | abrotman | kind of miss when that was the default :) |
| 13:23.51 | simonlnu | nvi was annoying. still had trouble switching modes back then. |
| 13:23.54 | ChrisH | abrotman: I was grown up with SunOS and Solaris... there we only had vi no vim, no gvim |
| 13:24.19 | abrotman | right, same here .. |
| 13:24.20 | simonlnu | i'd try to switch mode like i did in vim, and got confused when i tried to paste something in. |
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| 13:24.39 | abrotman | but nvi used to be the dfeault editor on Debian AFAIK, but that was 4(?) releases ago ? |
| 13:24.46 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | is old :( |
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| 13:25.04 | simonlnu | is older |
| 13:25.17 | abrotman | maybe it was still the default with sarge? |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | wait .. /me counts |
| 13:25.32 | abrotman | that was four :( |
| 13:26.22 | ChrisH | just checked when moved to Debian... the first version I remebered was patato 2.2 but the first used intensiv was Woody |
| 13:26.25 | simonlnu | damn. |
| 13:26.42 | abrotman | ChrisH: then you'd have used nvi, perhaps unknowningl |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | y |
| 13:26.46 | simonlnu | mine was potato |
| 13:27.12 | simonlnu | first one to support ppc, so... |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:28.17 | abrotman | was Hamm or Slink |
| 13:28.35 | simonlnu | first time i tried, was on m68k box. took overnight to get halfway through install. said, noooo, gonna wait until we get a ppc box :). |
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| 13:30.51 | lkthomas-home | hey guys, which dynamic DNS provider support linux and never expire ? |
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| 13:32.51 | ChrisH | lkthomas-home: I use dyndns.org and have a script to test and update the IP if needed. Dunno about expiration |
| 13:33.30 | lkthomas-home | ok |
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| 13:49.36 | zetheroo | how can I safely remove the GUI Desktop from Debian ? |
| 13:50.10 | babilen | zetheroo: What constitutes "safely" here? |
| 13:50.26 | zetheroo | without remove anything else but just the desktop |
| 13:50.37 | zetheroo | it's a fresh install on Wheezy |
| 13:50.42 | zetheroo | of* |
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| 13:50.47 | babilen | zetheroo: Which desktop environment are you referring to and what exactly would you like to keep? |
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| 13:53.49 | babilen | zetheroo: Still there? |
| 13:53.59 | zetheroo | yes, sorry |
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| 13:54.30 | babilen | zetheroo: Which desktop environment are you referring to? How did you install that and what would you like to keep? |
| 13:54.42 | zetheroo | well I just installed Wheezy and when asked what software to install the Desktop Environment option was selected ... by mistake |
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| 13:54.53 | zetheroo | so I would like to just undo that if possible ... |
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| 13:55.19 | zetheroo | I am not logged into the system ... but we don't want the Desktop at all ... just the shell |
| 13:55.32 | zetheroo | apt-get remove desktop ? |
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| 13:56.30 | babilen | zetheroo: Ok, so you want to remove gnome. You can just "apt-get purge gnome ; apt-get --purge autoremove", but that would probably remove a bunch of packages that you would actually like to keep. Make sure to mark them as being manually installed with either apt-mark or "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" or "apt-get install PKG" |
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| 13:58.18 | Brigo | i has upgraded from squeeze to wheezy just now, and i found a error in apache: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. What should i do, modify the apache config or manually make the symlink? |
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| 13:58.28 | babilen | zetheroo: To see which packages have been installed by that task run "tasksel --task-packages desktop". This will show you that it installed the "task-desktop" package (which you probably want to purge as well) and (per recommends) the "task-gnome-desktop" package. Remove all of these and take it from there. |
| 13:58.50 | babilen | Brigo: did you update your configuration files? |
| 13:59.22 | babilen | ,file libxml2.so.2 --release wheezy |
| 13:59.31 | judd | Search for libxml2.so.2 in wheezy/i386: libxml2: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2 |
| 14:00.19 | babilen | Brigo, zetheroo: BTW -- wheezy is explicitly supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. You are welcome to join that channel and discuss more testing/unstable related problems there. |
| 14:00.39 | babilen | Brigo: You probably have a wrong path (i.e. pre-multiarch one) somewhere |
| 14:01.03 | babilen | Brigo: Please also check the BTS, but I guess that it is your configuration ... *shrug* |
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| 14:02.35 | Brigo | babilen: file libxml2.so.2 --release wheezy?? |
| 14:02.38 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.44 | babilen | Brigo: Yes, that queries our bot and lists the packages that contain that file. You can see that libxml2 ships /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2 which is what you are looking for. You are, however, looking in the wrong place (pre-multiarch location) and I guess that this is due to you using outdated configuration files that don't take that into account. |
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| 14:04.17 | Brigo | what configuration files? |
| 14:04.26 | babilen | Brigo: Apache's |
| 14:05.56 | Brigo | babilen: ok, thanks i will review them. |
| 14:06.10 | babilen | Brigo: But I am guessing here -- Did you use Apache before? Did you replace *all* configuration files with their new version during the upgrade if not? What *did* you do? Have you checked the bts ( http://bugs.debian.org ) for applicable bug reports? Could you grep for library paths and that particular library in /etc/apache2/* (recursively) ? |
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| 14:07.14 | babilen | Brigo: Also: What does "aptitude search ~o" give you? What about "apt-cache policy libxml2" or "aptitude versions '~i~napache2'" ? |
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| 14:10.02 | Brigo | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/206917/ |
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| 14:11.54 | Brigo | i think apache config files was updated ok |
| 14:11.54 | babilen | Brigo: Thanks |
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| 14:12.50 | babilen | Brigo: Ok, you can remove most of those packages by running "aptitude purge ~o" (those are packages that were in squeeze, but not wheezy) |
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| 14:14.00 | babilen | Brigo: When do you get the aforementioned error? Could you move *your* configuration files somewhere else (or make a backup of them) and then use the ones that were shipped with the wheezy package? Read "/msg dpkg confnew" to learn how to replace *your* configuration files with the *standard* ones. (make sure you have backup, see earlier comments!) |
| 14:14.01 | Brigo | well, i want to keep some of them, like kernels :-) |
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| 14:15.06 | Brigo | babilen: i think my conf are in conf.d so no problem with upgrade, but, fo course, i can do than. |
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| 14:15.30 | babilen | Brigo: You don't need nor want a .32 kernel with wheezy -- It ships a 3.2 kernel that you should have installed (if not, install the "linux-image-686-pae" package) |
| 14:16.20 | babilen | Brigo: But that just as a side note (to complete the upgrade to wheezy) -- I just want to make sure that the issue is with the default installation (as I don't see that at all on sid) and not your configuration. |
| 14:16.25 | Brigo | i am using a viaepia, i need 486 kernel ... |
| 14:16.29 | babilen | Brigo: Also: When do you get that error? |
| 14:16.50 | Brigo | service apache start give me that error. |
| 14:17.07 | babilen | Brigo: Ok, then install "linux-image-486" - Sorry for assuming that you are running on a 686 system. My bad |
| 14:17.40 | Brigo | it is yet installed, thanks. |
| 14:18.06 | Brigo | so do i do an apache reinstall? |
| 14:18.20 | babilen | !tell Brigo -about confnew |
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| 14:21.24 | babilen | Brigo: Oh, and it looks like a problem with libapache2-modsecurity (see bugs #670247 #674037 and #670572) |
| 14:21.57 | babilen | Brigo: I haven't read all of them yet -- I would advise you to do so and take appropriate actions. |
| 14:22.11 | babilen | ,v libapache2-modsecurity |
| 14:22.12 | judd | Package: libapache2-modsecurity on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.6-5~bpo60+1; sid: 2.6.6-5; wheezy: 2.6.6-5 |
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| 14:23.39 | babilen | Brigo: Please also check Apache's configuration files (yours and the system ones) for statements like "LoadFile /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2" (or other "LoadFile /usr/lib/" ones that are *not* multiarch compliant |
| 14:23.43 | Brigo | babilen: no problem, it only a test server i build to practice. This is very interesting for me :-) |
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| 14:24.13 | Brigo | babilen: i done it. There is only one in libapachemodsecurity |
| 14:24.44 | Brigo | i done: dpkg -l "*apache*"|grep -v un |
| 14:24.52 | babilen | Brigo: A good test it probably to disable (a2dismod) the security module and try restart it then. If it is due to that module it should workâ„¢ then :) |
| 14:25.15 | Brigo | and use them to the command you give me. |
| 14:25.18 | babilen | Brigo: So libapachemodsecurity *still* ships with that statement? |
| 14:25.27 | Brigo | but the error go on. |
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| 14:25.59 | Brigo | yes |
| 14:26.01 | Brigo | LoadFile /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 |
| 14:26.10 | babilen | Brigo: Which file contains that? |
| 14:26.12 | Brigo | i will a2dismod it. |
| 14:26.28 | Brigo | /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mod-security.load |
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| 14:27.18 | Brigo | mod-security disabled. Apache starts without problems :-) |
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| 14:28.12 | babilen | Brigo: Hmm .. That is strange. If you check the changelog of the modsecurity-apache package you'll see that it contains the entry "mod-security.load: removed /usr/lib/ from libxml2's LoadFile path. (Closes: #670247)" entry for version 2.6.5-2 -- What does "apt-cache policy modsecurity-apache" give you? |
| 14:28.44 | babilen | Brigo: Well, it is not strange that it works with mod-security disabled, but that "mod-security.load still contains that statement |
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| 14:30.49 | babilen | Brigo: Err, make that: "apt-cache policy libapache-mod-security libapache2-modsecurity" m) |
| 14:30.50 | Brigo | http://paste.debian.net/206922/ |
| 14:31.01 | Brigo | i done it :-D |
| 14:31.35 | babilen | Brigo: Great! Ok, so you have a version installed that *should* contain that fix. Let me check what is actually contained in the package. One moment please. |
| 14:31.43 | Brigo | well, it is in spanish, i sorry. |
| 14:31.44 | Brigo | ok |
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| 14:33.09 | Brigo | yes, from package changelog: * mod-security.load: removed /usr/lib/ from libxml2's LoadFile path. |
| 14:33.57 | babilen | Brigo: Something must be wrong with your /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-security.load (it is most likely an old version). The version that ships with the package contains "LoadFile libxml2.so.2" and not "LoadFile /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2" |
| 14:34.04 | zetheroo | restarted a debian server and now on bootup there is a line that says "raid status not ok ... exiting" |
| 14:34.15 | zetheroo | what happened? |
| 14:34.51 | babilen | Brigo: Please reinstall that package with "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install libapache2-modsecurity" and test again. |
| 14:34.52 | Brigo | babilen: i done: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install libapache2-modsecurity |
| 14:34.56 | babilen | hehe |
| 14:35.02 | babilen | And? |
| 14:35.05 | Brigo | i done it. |
| 14:35.10 | Brigo | i will do it again. |
| 14:35.39 | babilen | No, no need to do it *again*, but does it work now? Does ./etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-security.load still contain the broken LoadFile statement? |
| 14:35.41 | Brigo | it is a slow server :-) |
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| 14:36.21 | Brigo | root@viaepia:/etc# cat /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-security.load |
| 14:36.21 | Brigo | LoadFile /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 |
| 14:36.26 | Brigo | i think so. |
| 14:36.32 | babilen | Brigo: Hmm :-/ |
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| 14:37.11 | Brigo | babilen: should i delete files and then reinstall? |
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| 14:37.36 | Brigo | i didn't delete anything. |
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| 14:37.57 | zetheroo | this is odd because if I have a look at /proc/mdstat it seems that the RAID config is working fine ... and active ... |
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| 14:38.25 | zetheroo | so why is there this message when Debian is loading? |
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| 14:38.49 | babilen | Brigo: You could delete that file and follow "/msg dpkg confmiss" or just download the package (easily done with "dget libapache2-modsecurity=2.6.6-5" from the devscripts package). Unpack that package to a temporary location (e.g. "dpkg -x libapache2-modsecurity_2.6.6-5_amd64.deb ~/tmp/" and move the configuration file over (mv ~/tmp/etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-security.load /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-security.load) |
| 14:39.07 | babilen | )) |
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| 14:39.30 | babilen | Brigo: I am not entirely sure why "confnew" didn't work though |
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| 14:39.44 | babilen | Brigo: But I am sure there is an explanation for that too :-D |
| 14:39.45 | Brigo | yes, i could, but we agree this should be automatic, hey, this is debian! :-) |
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| 14:40.20 | MonkeyDust | guys, my 10 year old desktop pc hangs on this screen, basic commands like 'help' don't do anything - i can ssh to it - hints & tips? http://imagebin.org/234902 |
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| 14:41.51 | somiaj | MonkeyDust: looks like it is an issue with your irc client (and your machine is probabaly running just fine) |
| 14:42.03 | engla | MonkeyDust: do you hit Ctrl+S by mistake? :-) |
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| 14:42.29 | babilen | MonkeyDust: What kind of shell is that? It looks rather like an IRC client than any tty/sheel/boot sequence output/ ... |
| 14:42.37 | somiaj | as to why you are starting an irc client during the boot process I don't know. |
| 14:43.09 | babilen | MonkeyDust: Do you mean "It just froze like that" or "Every time I boot it it freezes like that" ? |
| 14:43.22 | MonkeyDust | correct, i once tried to run irssi remotely, so it's just that? |
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| 14:43.57 | engla | correct what? |
| 14:44.01 | babilen | MonkeyDust: engla might have figured it out, but I would just kill the process in question and don't worry about it too much |
| 14:44.03 | rizlah | If B3 is installed now, and then wheezy becomes stable, do the repositories point to testing or stable? |
| 14:44.18 | babilen | MonkeyDust: yeah and *which* of the two is it? |
| 14:44.22 | Brigo | babilen i solve it deleting the file |
| 14:44.30 | Brigo | and then reinstalling |
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| 14:44.50 | babilen | Brigo: Ok, fair enough. Glad that we figured it out ;) |
| 14:45.12 | MonkeyDust | guys, ok, problem solved, thank you |
| 14:45.13 | boudiccas | rizlah, b3 just relates to the installer, being the beta 3 verion. wheezy will become 'stable' |
| 14:45.28 | Brigo | and apache restart ok |
| 14:45.30 | boudiccas | version |
| 14:45.34 | rizlah | Right, but the repositories for apt will point to where? |
| 14:45.41 | Brigo | babilen: many thanks :-) |
| 14:45.52 | boudiccas | wherever you've set them to |
| 14:46.02 | rizlah | ... |
| 14:46.03 | babilen | Brigo: You are most welcome. Have a nice day and enjoy sorting out the last steps of the upgrade (the "aptitude search ~o" stuff) |
| 14:46.04 | erann | rizlah: it depends on your sources.list. |
| 14:46.17 | rizlah | erann: Right, but on a vanilla install from B3 without any changes |
| 14:46.17 | somiaj | rizlah: depends do you have 'testing' or 'wheezy' in your sources.list...in most cases you should have wheezy so you don't randomally point somewhere else durning the release |
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| 14:46.38 | rizlah | So they will point to stable, aka wheezy when it is released? |
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| 14:46.42 | babilen | rizlah: If you have "wheezy" in your sources.list you will stay with wheezy. If you, however, have "testing" in your sources.list you will stay with testing (i.e. jessie after the release of wheezy) |
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| 14:46.55 | Brigo | thanks, first i have to deal with dovecot, it is really brocken. The configuration is too diferent in the new version. |
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| 14:47.10 | babilen | Brigo: Sure |
| 14:47.16 | somiaj | rizlah: stable is a link to a codename (it changes) wheezy is a code name (it will never change what it points to) look at sources.list (I belive the installer is sane enough to put wheezy in there for you) |
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| 14:48.05 | babilen | somiaj: It does (since squeeze IIRC) -- We had a bunch of people with pitchforkds in here because it used "stable" in the past. That bug has been fixed now though :-D |
| 14:48.57 | somiaj | babilen: oh good, well that is why I suggested to actually look first, but I try to assume debian defaults are sane. (: |
| 14:50.03 | babilen | somiaj: Actually checking is still a good idea .. Assumptions are treacherous |
| 14:51.21 | somiaj | oh yea, and you never know what else could have poked into that file messing things up |
| 14:51.30 | babilen | rizlah: In case it wasn't clear: We strongly recommend to use "wheezy" and not "testing" in your sources.list -- That way you don't have any unpleasant surprises shortly after wheezy has been released as you will from then on run "wheezy" == "stable" == "wheezy" |
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| 14:52.22 | rizlah | babilen: Right, that was the main question. Is the sources.list by default pointing to Wheezy or testing (which is what wheezy is now, hence could be in the B3 installer) |
| 14:52.24 | babilen | rizlah: If you, at one point, decide that you have enough of "wheezy" == "stable" you can still change it to "jessie" (wheezy+1) .. |
| 14:52.50 | burek | how can I check if debian supports this usb wifi dongle with appropriate drivers: 148f:2878 Ralink Technology, Corp. |
| 14:52.59 | somiaj | rizlah: why not just looks, takes less time to look than to keep asking the same question |
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| 14:53.22 | rizlah | somiaj: I stopped asking. I replied to babilen after he brought it up |
| 14:53.40 | babilen | burek: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB |
| 14:53.51 | burek | thanks :) |
| 14:53.56 | somiaj | burek: google the chipset, the wiki usually has 'most' supported devices and the assoicated usbid |
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| 14:54.13 | burek | well, how do I find out what the chipset is? |
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| 14:54.39 | babilen | !tell burek -about rt2800usb |
| 14:54.45 | babilen | !tell burek -about rt2800sta |
| 14:54.46 | somiaj | burek: I don't know if judd can look up usbid's.....but you could just look up that usbid on the wiki and see what you get |
| 14:54.55 | burek | babilen, I'm reading the wiki :) |
| 14:54.56 | babilen | burek: Try the first (open source) one first. |
| 14:55.34 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Pretty sure judd doesn't know usbids. |
| 14:55.40 | burek | no usbid on the wiki :( |
| 14:56.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,usbid 413c:2002 |
| 14:56.09 | babilen | burek: Hmm, that device is *not* listed as being supported though (on the rt2800usb site) -- The sta one might support it, but I haven't checked it. |
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| 14:56.43 | burek | I've been googling around yesterday all day and couldn't find any solution for this.. :S |
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| 14:57.03 | babilen | burek: it might just not be supported |
| 14:58.06 | burek | oh :( and I guess there is no some kind of "general" usb driver for wifi or something..? |
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| 15:01.11 | babilen | burek: Well, I would recommend to return that dongle and get a supported one (best an atheros one). If that is not an option you could try to use the MS Windows driver with "/msg dpk ndiswrapper", but that is not necessarily working or a good/performant solution |
| 15:01.19 | jhutchins_wk | burek: Have you seen this? http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
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| 15:01.43 | burek | babilen, thanks, I'll investigate with ndiswrapper |
| 15:01.48 | qwertyuiopasd | Anybody will help with internal mic. (not working) Squeez |
| 15:01.50 | burek | jhutchins_wk, I'm looking at it now :) |
| 15:01.54 | zetheroo | what command undoes this command: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 15:02.14 | babilen | burek: Let me check one more thing (3.2 kernel and 3.6 kernel) |
| 15:02.23 | burek | ok thx :) |
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| 15:03.21 | burek | jhutchins_wk, these are for RT2870 but mine is RT2878, I mean, I have those installed, but they are not loaded when I plug my usb, which (I guess) means it's not supported by those drivers |
| 15:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | burek: you're one digit off on the usbid. Sometimes that's trivial, sometimes it's a total change. |
| 15:03.53 | burek | and the funny thing is, usb-devices recognizes the usb as a storage :) |
| 15:04.03 | burek | what a fun :) |
| 15:04.15 | burek | I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage |
| 15:04.16 | babilen | burek: Hmm, haven't pulled my linux source tree in a while. One second please. |
| 15:04.20 | somiaj | burek: sometimes you can get support even if it is not detected. i.e. the driver does support your card, it is just not in the usbid database so you have to force the module to grab it (I had to do it to my usb wifi card with the rt2800usb module)...sometimes it won't work |
| 15:04.28 | burek | babilen, yes, ok, I'll wait, thank you in advance :) |
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| 15:04.56 | somiaj | so yea if it isn't listed as the supported cards on the wiki it is kinda a gamble if you can get it working |
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| 15:05.07 | burek | somiaj, I see, is there any docs how can I do that? |
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| 15:05.12 | babilen | burek: Yeah, you need to use usb-modeswitch to switch it over. The "idea" is that is automagically installs drivers for MS Windows systems and therefore acts as a USB mass storage device rather than a USB wifi dongle. |
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| 15:05.33 | burek | babilen I see :) |
| 15:05.37 | burek | cool :) |
| 15:05.50 | somiaj | burek: usually just look up the usbid // chipset on google and look arond forums and see if someone else figured it out (That is my approach) |
| 15:06.04 | burek | ok I will |
| 15:06.05 | babilen | burek: I still *strongly* recommend to just get a different dongle. Even if you can't return this one the time and frustration you'll safe is worth it. |
| 15:06.23 | burek | babilen I agree totally :) |
| 15:06.33 | babilen | pity though |
| 15:06.44 | afidegnum | what's the best module of that kind of thin? euh auto-scroll or anything you might be aware of? when I scroll 5 rows, to down, additional rows are automatically added.... what is the name of the module ? |
| 15:06.52 | burek | I'd just like to see if I can achieve anything with this, to save myself some time, but I already see it will be easier to just get another one :) |
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| 15:07.30 | somiaj | afidegnum: I don't follow your question? What are you talking about scrolling and I don't see what this has to do with a kernel module? |
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| 15:07.32 | burek | zetheroo, you can't undo it |
| 15:07.40 | burek | you overwrote previous settings with that cmd |
| 15:07.53 | afidegnum | oooh, wrong room |
| 15:07.54 | afidegnum | sorry |
| 15:07.56 | deadalnix | Come on ! |
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| 15:08.09 | deadalnix | libgl1-mesa-dev is broken again in testing |
| 15:08.26 | deadalnix | (weel to be faire it has been broken since multiarch) |
| 15:08.33 | deadalnix | but now it is updated and STILL is broken |
| 15:08.35 | babilen | deadalnix has been routed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:08.47 | babilen | (and http://bugs.debian.org ) |
| 15:08.58 | deadalnix | babilen, the bug is known for ages |
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| 15:09.03 | somiaj | deadalnix: what do you mean by broken? |
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| 15:09.07 | babilen | deadalnix: What do you want us to do? |
| 15:09.19 | somiaj | well if it is a known bug, follow the bug report. Help the matiainer debug it |
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| 15:09.41 | babilen | deadalnix is probably whining about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689088 |
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| 15:09.58 | deadalnix | somiaj, ok let me state it properly : the bug in known, the bug repport exists already several time and patches has been proposed |
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| 15:10.13 | Bijan-E_ | hi, i can't copy VCD tracks to my HDD (Input/OUtput error). media and optic drive working correctly (have windows on same PC). any suggestion to work it out? i've heard about cdfs module though which solve the problem but it's not for kernel 3.x anymore. |
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| 15:10.41 | babilen | deadalnix: Then (maybe maybe maybe) join #debian-x on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and discuss it with the maintainers. I am just not sure what you want *us* to do right now. |
| 15:11.06 | somiaj | afiak -dev packages are not ment to have multiple versions installed on a multiarch system. Create a chroot/build enviorment for the arch you want to build for |
| 15:11.07 | deadalnix | babilen, well I'm not sure, maybe I just needed to rant xD |
| 15:11.40 | somiaj | so if you need to build a i386 binary on a 64bit system, create a 32bit chroot and build it there (Then install the :i386 package on your amd64 system) |
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| 15:12.35 | somiaj | but I have seen this too, on multiarch I have to choose to install the amd64 -dev lib xor the i386 -dev -- I cannot install both at the same time and I belive I found policy that said this is the design. |
| 15:12.37 | babilen | deadalnix: ranting doesn't really help anybody - if you want to do something than do it, but don't come here and whine. We are willing to help, but I just don't see what you want *us* to do right now. I don't even want to think about that problem to be honest ;) |
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| 15:13.03 | deadalnix | babilen, I really don't know what to do, bug report exists, solution is known |
| 15:13.16 | deadalnix | and I manually apply it hacking the package at each new version |
| 15:13.44 | babilen | deadalnix: Contact the maintainer's ... Ping the bug report. Write "Hey, if I use proposed patch FOO if works for me" messages to the bug .... |
| 15:14.08 | somiaj | babilen: I don't think it is a bug, I think it is the design (it is a -dev libary, it would be a bug if it was the actual libary) |
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| 15:14.14 | deadalnix | babilen, that sound like a plan |
| 15:14.16 | babilen | deadalnix: Which patch is that btw? I don't see it referenced in the bug report I mentioned earlier? Or to be honest: I don't see *any* reaction to that bug report at all |
| 15:14.19 | somiaj | (trying to find the policy) |
| 15:14.57 | babilen | somiaj: Hmm, now you got me to actually read the bug report and dive into the content matter. |
| 15:15.06 | gnarface | not that if it WERE a bug and the package in question were part of the nvidia drivers the maintainers would give a rat's ass... |
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| 15:15.48 | babilen | deadalnix: So the problem is that you can't install both amd64 *and* i386 versions of the libgl1-mesa-dev (or any -dev package) package? |
| 15:16.06 | deadalnix | babilen, nop, that thoses depend on non -dev package that can't |
| 15:16.07 | somiaj | babilen: well I"m looking for the policy, I ran across this issue when building wine. solution: use a 32bit chroot build enviorment. |
| 15:16.16 | deadalnix | the -dev package in itself isn't really the problem |
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| 15:17.05 | babilen | somiaj: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation mentions "Although Debian policy currently doesn't allow -dev packages with headers which vary across architectures to be Multi-Arch: same, users may set up cross-build environments using only -dev packages for the target arch. ..." |
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| 15:17.44 | deadalnix | for instance, libgl1-mesa-dev depends on libgl1-mesa-glx which isn't multiarch ready |
| 15:17.53 | deadalnix | and everything gets fucked up quickly |
| 15:18.06 | jhutchins_wk | deadalnix: This is not news. |
| 15:18.16 | somiaj | deadalnix: then that is a bug of libgl1-mesa-glx not being multiarch yet...bugs like this are very common as the libaries are slowly made to support multiarch. |
| 15:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | deadalnix: Anybody who's been around a while and has been paying attention knows that multiarch is nowhere near a finished, working system. |
| 15:18.47 | deadalnix | jhulst, I know this is not news, you'll find bug report on that that are more than a year old |
| 15:18.49 | somiaj | but right now as babilen linked, -dev libaries aren't being the focus on multiarch. |
| 15:18.54 | jhutchins_wk | deadalnix: It's a framework to try to reach a method that will work. |
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| 15:19.06 | babilen | points out that wheezy *has not yet been released* for exactly these reasons. And also that discussions like this are really more appropriate in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as they don't concern stable users at all. |
| 15:19.15 | jhutchins_wk | deadalnix: Your alternative is not some magical fix, but single architecture only. That works. |
| 15:19.18 | deadalnix | the thing that bugs me is that solution are also a year old, and update are published without them |
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| 15:19.33 | jhutchins_wk | deadalnix: That's just one bandaid on one package. |
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| 15:19.53 | somiaj | deadalnix: really what do you need to do? Do you need to build a 32bit binary on a 64bit system? |
| 15:20.04 | derric | I set Wheezy with unbound, although the dhcp daemon over-writes my resolv.conf entries. How can I stop that? |
| 15:20.10 | babilen | deadalnix: Ok, lets do this: You come and join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and point us to the bug report (and message) with the patch. |
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| 15:21.04 | deadalnix | babilen, let me find that back (my digging on the subject are from the last update of thoses) and sure, I'd be happy to help |
| 15:21.13 | babilen | derric: You too want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- Just hardcode a DNS server (i.e. 127.0.0.1) in whatever you use to configure your network (/etc/network/interface or network-manager or ...) -- Another approach is to configure the dhcp client to *not* request a DNS server. |
| 15:21.24 | deadalnix | BTW, I can't join #debian-next |
| 15:21.30 | somiaj | if it is you want to build a i386 wine on an amd64 system. I have done that just fine. |
| 15:21.37 | deadalnix | ho, on OFTC |
| 15:21.39 | somiaj | deadalnix: irc.oftc.net -- not this irc network. |
| 15:21.48 | babilen | deadalnix: You cannot join on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 15:21.55 | deadalnix | yes I'm in |
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| 15:22.13 | deadalnix | ok let me find what I did last time I had the issue, and you'll get everything |
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| 15:22.36 | derric | babilen: I installed isc-dhcp-client and I'm having trouble finding docs or man or config files for it. |
| 15:22.52 | derric | babilen: I was trying to hardcode it. |
| 15:23.17 | derric | babilen: in resolv.conf although it just get over-written at boot. |
| 15:23.28 | nsadmin | babilen, or use that resolvconf thing and put the name servers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:23.44 | derric | babilen: Looking... |
| 15:24.02 | babilen | derric: How do you configure your network/interfaces? |
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| 15:27.42 | derric | babilen: Why the shift to oftc for wheezy support, or has the testing version always been there? |
| 15:28.02 | derric | babilen: I let the dhcp client do it. |
| 15:28.17 | somiaj | derric: offically debian moved to irc.oftc.net for irc support years ago |
| 15:28.34 | somiaj | derric: this in essence is a unoffical irc support chan and is designed only for stable. |
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| 15:29.15 | somiaj | derric: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
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| 15:30.11 | derric | somiaj: ty. |
| 15:30.45 | derric | babilen: Having a quick look at the man interfaces, I must be missing how to set a nameserver in that file. |
| 15:30.54 | babilen | derric: HOW do you configure your network? I have a bazillion recommendations in the back of my head, but I am *not* telling you because you haven't answered my question and I am therefore not sure what is appropriate |
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| 15:31.19 | babilen | derric: so you are configuring your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and you are *not* using network-manager? |
| 15:31.47 | somiaj | derric: you need either resolvconf or openresolv installed. And then you can use the 'dns-nameservers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' in your iface definition and it will set that nameserver |
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| 15:32.14 | yepwatermelon | What DM does Debian use by default |
| 15:32.15 | yepwatermelon | ? |
| 15:32.20 | babilen | derric: See, for example, http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolvconf_program for details. In short: if you have resolvonf add something like "dns-nameservers 12.34.56.78 12.34.56.79" to the interface stanza |
| 15:32.27 | rizlah | Gnom3 |
| 15:32.29 | rizlah | Gnome |
| 15:32.30 | jhutchins_wk | yepwatermelon: DE? |
| 15:32.37 | somiaj | yepwatermelon: debian gives you the choice of what one to use (so the default may depend on the install cd/desktop you choose) |
| 15:32.37 | yepwatermelon | No |
| 15:32.39 | yepwatermelon | DM |
| 15:32.40 | yepwatermelon | Login manager |
| 15:32.44 | derric | babilen: This is a fresh install. In during setup I specified etho was to be configured with dhcp. I still have yet to figure out if network manager is doing that, although I think so. |
| 15:32.48 | rizlah | GNOME THREE |
| 15:32.49 | babilen | yepwatermelon: DM == Debian Maintainer -- I don't understand your question |
| 15:32.52 | rizlah | TRES |
| 15:32.57 | rizlah | GDM |
| 15:33.05 | nkuttler | !dm |
| 15:33.05 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 15:33.20 | babilen | yepwatermelon: DE == Desktop Environment, WM == Window Manager, ... What do you actualyl mean? |
| 15:33.23 | somiaj | yepwatermelon: if you chose the default desktop or gnome, gdm3 will be the default. But again you can choose which dm to install when you do your install. |
| 15:33.26 | yepwatermelon | Ugh |
| 15:33.32 | yepwatermelon | !dm |
| 15:33.33 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 15:33.37 | yepwatermelon | That's what I mean |
| 15:33.40 | yepwatermelon | Derp |
| 15:33.51 | jhutchins_wk | He said "login manager". |
| 15:33.57 | babilen | saw it now |
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| 15:34.08 | yepwatermelon | I said login manager after DM because no one knew what I meant. |
| 15:34.12 | babilen | yepwatermelon: Depends on what you install. GDM3 is the one that could be considered to be the default |
| 15:34.26 | rizlah | I knew what you meant |
| 15:34.28 | rizlah | Am I invisible or what? |
| 15:34.34 | jhutchins_wk | yepwatermelon: You used the correct term. |
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| 15:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | I just asked to make sure. |
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| 15:34.49 | babilen | rizlah: No, not at all. it is just that "DM" is quite ambiguous in the context of Debian |
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| 15:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: I wouldn't say that, but it's a bit ambiguous in the context of #debian, because we get people who don't know the difference. |
| 15:35.42 | jhutchins_wk | In any case, yepwatermelon got his answer, right? |
| 15:35.55 | yepwatermelon | yep |
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| 15:36.30 | derric | babilen: I see, working on it. |
| 15:36.58 | derric | babilen: Neither resolvconf or openresolv are installed. |
| 15:37.15 | yepwatermelon | I'll try it. I'm doing a fresh install on my laptop and I wanted to remove the display manager completely and opt for a xinitrc script. Thing is last time I tried this GDM didn't appear to be on my machine despite the fact that I had a display manager up. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something esle. |
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| 15:37.43 | somiaj | yepwatermelon: really it depends on the install, but /msg dpkg nodm (useful for disabling your dm) |
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| 15:37.58 | somiaj | i.e. you may not want to uninstall gdm3 (since it is part of the gnome meta package) but mearly disable it |
| 15:38.14 | nsadmin | what's something I can directly render? want to test my fglrx |
| 15:38.21 | somiaj | nsadmin: glxgears |
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| 15:38.50 | nsadmin | its werkin |
| 15:39.01 | rizlah | Why would you want xinitrc instead of the DM? |
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| 15:39.33 | nsadmin | if you wanted a static screen you "programatically" set up |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | glxgears works with a CL card from 1995 |
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| 15:39.46 | nsadmin | not many do. |
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| 15:40.00 | somiaj | rizlah: I prefer startx to a dm myself. It is just taste |
| 15:40.02 | rizlah | oic |
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| 15:40.10 | rizlah | somiaj: Why? |
| 15:40.31 | nsadmin | he doesn't like to stick his pw in a graphic thing? |
| 15:40.34 | somiaj | rizlah: I don't like being forced into X at boot up, I run sid easier to debug things. There are times I don't need x. |
| 15:40.36 | erann | I also prefer startx. (why auto-launch Xorg if I may not need it?) |
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| 15:41.38 | nsadmin | are there still special gl screensavers? |
| 15:41.45 | Nik05 | i login and then use startx :D |
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| 15:42.04 | somiaj | nsadmin: I belive so, but I think they are connected to xscreensaver |
| 15:42.05 | abrotman | nsadmin: apt-cache search ? |
| 15:42.24 | somiaj | xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra |
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| 15:42.38 | somiaj | (or those are the ones I know of) |
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| 15:48.54 | Guest83903 | I am using Debian Wheezy and new to KDE. I am trying to run videos downloaded to the computer from DVD. I get message: no plugin found for shockwave flash file. I installed flashplugin-nonfree, but it did not help |
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| 15:55.45 | babilen | Guest83903: What do you try to play them with? |
| 15:55.53 | babilen | (aka: What gives that message?) |
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| 15:56.22 | derric | babilen: How would I check which name servers are in use? |
| 15:56.31 | babilen | derric: "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 15:56.59 | derric | babilen: I thought resolvconf stashes that away for archiving |
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| 15:57.01 | nsadmin | flashplugin-nonfree is for browsers... you might look into how vlc or mplayer can play those... maybe the stuff you need for those is contained by the thing described by /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 15:57.54 | babilen | derric: yeah, but it is still used (resolvconf just updates that file) |
| 15:58.05 | derric | babilen: Hey it worked! I installed resolvconf and added the nameserver line to the iterface stanze et voila1 |
| 15:58.11 | babilen | wonderful :) |
| 15:58.12 | nronksr | Hello. During install, installer created /dev/md0. I manually created /dev/md1. Symlinks to UUID are correct and proper. Everything works. However, the output from DF & mount show /dev/md0 by uuid, but /dev/md1 by mount point. http://pastebin.com/QviVp9CD |
| 15:58.27 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.27 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.27 | derric | 10:57 # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 15:58.28 | derric | 10:57 nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:58.43 | Guest83903 | babilen, now I tried to open it with ice weasel and it works. It didn't work when was opened with Konqueror. With VLC, there was sound, but no video |
| 15:58.47 | nronksr | I didn't bother with UUID for /sdc, I don't care about that disk at this stage... |
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| 15:59.18 | grim76__ | We are having an issue with NFS mounts with servers that have multiple IP addresses. We have entries in the /etc/network/interfaces to make the traffic go to a certain adapter, but that does not seem to work. We have to issue a mount -a after boot to get the NFS mount online. |
| 15:59.19 | derric | babilen: Whoops got kicked. That was the first time ever... |
| 15:59.44 | babilen | Guest83903: I never use Konqueror, but did you restart it *after* installing the flash plugin? What does "about:plugins" give you? |
| 15:59.54 | boudiccas | derric, shouldn't paste in channel then, use a pastebin |
| 15:59.56 | babilen | derric: Don't paste into the channel, but use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:59.59 | nsadmin | derric, one thing resolvconf does is add additional syntax so you can add name servers that don't change. resolvconf would then write these name servers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:00.29 | babilen | nronksr: Hmm, interesting -- No immediate intuition why that is the case though. |
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| 16:01.23 | derric | nsadmin: Yes. Well, that one issue solved. Onward... |
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| 16:03.41 | Guest83903 | babilen, I can not restart the computer at this point, so I am happy that it works with iceweasel. Is yor question about the message? it offers me to download one frm www.macromedia.com |
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| 16:09.14 | babilen | Guest83903: It might be that Konqueror just needs to be restarted in order to pick up the newly installed flash plugin. I don't use it though and am therefore unsure how well it integrates with flash. |
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| 16:09.35 | Guest83903 | babilen, thanks |
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| 16:16.51 | grim76__ | NVM issue was in /etc/network/interfaces someone added a second entry to hotplug and took out an auto entry. Putting things back in order resolved the NFS mount issue. |
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| 16:17.44 | jhutchins_wk | I can't make heads or tails of the new sudoers manpage. I need a single user or group to have permission on a specific command with no password. |
| 16:17.57 | jhutchins_wk | All the examples use ALL and don't say which ALL means what. |
| 16:18.30 | TomyLobo | just use setuid then |
| 16:18.56 | TomyLobo | the setuid bit |
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| 16:19.28 | TomyLobo | jhutchins_wk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
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| 16:20.12 | burek | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/33 |
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| 16:20.29 | burek | jhutchins_wk, you have examples there which might help you with those ALLs |
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| 16:21.14 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: the problem with the sudoers manpage is that the part that explains which ALL means what is at the beginning in a very abstract type of notation that looks very much like something boring you should skip over, when in fact its the key to understanding the examples belwo |
| 16:22.26 | gnarface | also it would probably help a lot if they mentioned that the sudoers file syntax was designed so one configuration file can go on all hosts (one of those ALLs is hostname, but almost nobody uses it as they'd prefer to make a custom sudoers file for each machine) |
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| 16:31.53 | oznt | hi guys, this was probably asked before, but i can't find my way through resolv.conf |
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| 16:32.18 | oznt | something keeps overwriting it, and i dont know what, even though i am configuring a static ip for my device |
| 16:33.26 | Brigo | oznt: it should be a daemon, like dnsmasq. |
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| 16:33.54 | Brigo | it uses show it in resolv.conf |
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| 16:34.46 | oznt | i do have a dnsmasq running on this host |
| 16:36.27 | oznt | now i figured that if i have the word "search" in the resolv.conf file and some domain, nslookup is not working |
| 16:36.43 | oznt | but if i only have "nameserver 127.0.0.1" all my queries work |
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| 16:42.37 | Dr_ST | yo folks |
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| 16:42.59 | kaste | yo bro |
| 16:43.00 | Dr_ST | I'm trying to reduce the install size (on 6.0) of my system to limit it to a really tiny and dedicated one |
| 16:43.31 | Dr_ST | after digging and removing one by hand the dependancies to see where I was going, I'm still around 500 Mb |
| 16:44.02 | Dr_ST | there are things that cannot be removed (like clamav) which explains part of the remaining disk space occupied, |
| 16:44.17 | Dr_ST | but I also found a mere 46Mb in /usr/share/doc |
| 16:44.39 | Dr_ST | as I understand it, there is no separation for some doc files in packages |
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| 16:45.11 | Dr_ST | I used to produce mandriva XFCE images, and most packages are split between package and package-doc |
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| 16:45.20 | Dr_ST | it is not the case in debian? |
| 16:47.21 | Nik05 | hey guys |
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| 16:47.39 | Nik05 | if i put the experimental repro in sources.list |
| 16:48.01 | Nik05 | do i need to change apt configuration to prefer testing or unstable? |
| 16:48.14 | Nik05 | or is that always the case when using experimental? |
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| 16:52.50 | Dr_ST | argh, noone for me? |
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| 16:53.23 | babilen | !tell Dr_ST -about essential |
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| 16:54.28 | babilen | Dr_ST: You should be able to remove *everything* that is not essential. I would still recommend to keep packages in the "standard" set (/msg dpkg standard) though. Why can't clamab be removed? That strikes me as strange and I would like to see some output of your purging/removal attempt. |
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| 16:54.55 | Dr_ST | babilen: thanks for the link, but for some docs, the only solution pending is rm -rf? |
| 16:55.03 | babilen | Dr_ST: As a side note: Why did you install all that in the first place? Just install Debian and don't install *any* task. |
| 16:55.20 | babilen | Dr_ST: "some docs" ? What exactly are you referring to? |
| 16:55.33 | Nik05 | !tell Nik05 -about experimental |
| 16:55.39 | Dr_ST | babilen: I have removed packages 'cleanly' for now, if a dependency breakage is issued, I have not removed the package :-) |
| 16:55.51 | babilen | Dr_ST: *Every* Debian package is required by policy to ship *some* documentation (changelog, copyright, ...) |
| 16:56.00 | babilen | !tell Nik05 -about selftell |
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| 16:56.12 | Nik05 | yeah yeah forgot the name of the bot :p |
| 16:56.17 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 16:56.24 | Dr_ST | babilen: a) I'm starting from an existing system, b) for instance /usr/share/doc/grub-pc :-) |
| 16:56.52 | Dr_ST | babilen: I understand this very well, my point is just to know if the documentation is split into a subpackage or not :-) |
| 16:57.35 | babilen | Dr_ST: You won't get rid of *all* documentation, but larger documentation is shipped in -doc packages. /usr/share/doc/grub-pc has the whopping size of 376K on sid and I wouldn't consider that to be a problem. |
| 16:58.09 | babilen | ,i apache2-doc |
| 16:58.11 | judd | Package apache2-doc (doc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Apache HTTP Server documentation. Version: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; Size: 2251.1k; Installed: 12168k; Homepage: http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 16:58.22 | nkuttler | Dr_ST: why are you so concerned about a few MB? maybe you want embedian |
| 16:58.28 | babilen | Dr_ST: For example ^^^ (but there are many separate -doc packages) |
| 16:58.37 | gnarface | Dr_ST: in other distributions they don't actually expect you to READ any of the documentation |
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| 16:59.13 | babilen | Dr_ST: What are you trying to achieve? Are you *really* that concerned about space requirements? How much disk space to you actually have? |
| 16:59.47 | Dr_ST | gnarface: :-) |
| 16:59.48 | gnarface | well the redhat docs are probably 400GB of uncompressed pdf so i can understand his concern |
| 17:00.24 | Dr_ST | the system can be more or less "embedded", since the hard drive is 2GB |
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| 17:00.41 | Dr_ST | it runs a minimal synchronisation server |
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| 17:01.12 | gnarface | Dr_ST: my recommendation to you is du -sh in /usr/share/doc before you do anything hasty, but make a backup rather than just outright delete it if you really want the space back |
| 17:01.17 | Dr_ST | and the problem is that I need to use part of the 2GB (if not most) to temporarily download the synchronisation data |
| 17:01.23 | babilen | Dr_ST: Start with a new install and just install packages from the "standard" and "essential" set -- I *strongly* recommend to install packages from the standard task, but you might want to review the list and only install a subset. |
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| 17:02.01 | Dr_ST | gnarface: this is already what I did to identify what is left, this is why I saw that some packages do not have the *docs* splitted between the package itself and its docs |
| 17:02.21 | gnarface | Dr_ST: these concerns sound actually like SPECIFICALLY what emdebian is about. if you figure out how to install it let me know. |
| 17:02.37 | Dr_ST | babilen: for now this is not the option, I have to start from an "existing system" :-(, but i'll consider that in a second time if that becomes too unfriendly |
| 17:03.08 | Dr_ST | gnarface: yep, I saw the project before going here (just before in reality) |
| 17:03.15 | gnarface | Dr_ST: debian proper has already segregated the -doc packages as separate packages where they feel it was necessary but even for those, there is still a couple default files like a README and a copy of the GPL in most packages |
| 17:03.16 | Dr_ST | I've started only yesterday :-) |
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| 17:03.31 | linduxed | hey guys, i was wondering if there's a reason why keychain seems to take an awfully long time to get ready the first time i enter the passphrase? |
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| 17:04.13 | gnarface | linduxed: virtual machines are often entropy starved.... |
| 17:04.52 | Dr_ST | gnarface: the copyright and README should not be problematic but I saw in some packages a "example" dir with 26 Mb of data for instance :-) |
| 17:05.01 | gnarface | linduxed: there was also a kernel bug like back in ... etch, perhaps earlier. which debian version did you say this was? |
| 17:05.02 | Dr_ST | it was in clamav-base, by the way :-) |
| 17:05.28 | babilen | Dr_ST: Well, remove as much as you can. If that *still* isn't enough you can use tools such as localepurge (which might lead to totally unsupported errors) or similarly horrible tools. The *key* however is starting with a minimal set of packages (i.e. those in essential + (maybe) all of the standard task) |
| 17:05.37 | gnarface | Dr_ST: ouch. |
| 17:05.45 | Dr_ST | ok, so my main question is solved (I thought it was this, but just to be sure :-), it is "normal" to have some documentation bundled inside the core package |
| 17:06.11 | babilen | Dr_ST: clamav-base is nowhere near essential and you should just purge it. May I see the output of "apt-get purge clamav-base ; apt-get --purge autoremove" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:06.24 | Dr_ST | babilen: I have already removed all locales, man pages, info, etc :-) |
| 17:06.41 | babilen | Dr_ST: Yes, Debian policy requires us to ship, for example, copyright notices and other information |
| 17:06.47 | ilikenwf | anyone here familiar with duply/duplicity? it's not restoring my files even though they are there (i decrypted and looked in the snapshots)... |
| 17:06.53 | Dr_ST | I just pushed the system as down as possible, for a start, to see what was "reasonable" |
| 17:06.58 | gnarface | Dr_ST: changing filesystems and adjusting the block size can save shit tons of space |
| 17:06.59 | ilikenwf | since it breaks them up into volumes i'm not sure how to stitch them together though |
| 17:07.07 | Dr_ST | babilen: I'm not in front of the computer, I may come later |
| 17:07.18 | nkuttler | Dr_ST: see also debfoster, apt-get clean etc |
| 17:07.22 | ilikenwf | they're padded with duplicate ends of the file on each archive |
| 17:07.27 | babilen | Dr_ST: I hope that you didn't do that manually but used properly (well, half-baked really) integrated tools such as localepurge for that?! |
| 17:07.28 | nronksr | babilen: The UUID is being passed by grub, which is why I believe it shows in df as the uuid. I don't know how to get it to stop showing the uuid though and instead show mount point for df output. *shrug* |
| 17:07.28 | Dr_ST | gnarface: ext4, and I've tune2fs it to 1% of reserved space :-) |
| 17:07.38 | gnarface | Dr_ST: ext4 is the fucking worst. |
| 17:07.41 | Dr_ST | babilen: nope, not yet |
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| 17:08.07 | babilen | nronksr: Maybe a "grub-mkdevicemap" helps? |
| 17:08.21 | gnarface | Dr_ST: ext4 is *horrible* at efficient use of space, *especially* if you still have hardware with physical block sizes below 1k |
| 17:08.23 | nronksr | I'll look into it. |
| 17:08.26 | Dr_ST | well, the kernel itself is also a huge beast with the image + initrd (8Mb, ouch !!!) + /lib/modules (88 Mb) --> aournd 100 Mb |
| 17:08.36 | babilen | nronksr: What about /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 17:08.42 | Dr_ST | gnarface: I can dig there also, you're right |
| 17:08.46 | nkuttler | Dr_ST: so build a custom kernel |
| 17:08.49 | linduxed | gnarface: so... it doesn't allow me to get back into the terminal before enough entropy is gathered? |
| 17:08.50 | Dr_ST | nkuttler: yep |
| 17:09.00 | gnarface | Dr_ST: yea you can trim the kernel a lot by removing stuff your hardware doesn't need. the default kernel has the kitchen sink |
| 17:09.01 | Dr_ST | depends on the "clients" needs, though |
| 17:09.12 | Dr_ST | "kitchen sink" :-) |
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| 17:09.19 | linduxed | gnarface: and what does keychain have to do with virtual machines?? |
| 17:09.35 | babilen | Dr_ST: Or just use a distribution that has been tailored for your usecase such as emdebian ;) -- 2GB isn't really *that* problematic though and removing manpages is a bit over the top. |
| 17:09.58 | Dr_ST | ok folks thanks a lot, I thought mostly of the pointers you gave me, except for the filesystem. |
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| 17:10.32 | gnarface | linduxed: 1) yes, that is my assumption, that its not returning until its done, because its starved of entropy. it was really just a shot in the dark. i could be wrong, especially if this is your local desktop and NOT some rented virtual cloud guest. what version of debian did you say you were using again? |
| 17:10.49 | Dr_ST | If I can start from scratch (I'm still waiting for the customer to give me more insights into the "processes" he runs for his setup), I'll look at embedian and dsl |
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| 17:11.04 | gnarface | linduxed: sorry "what version of debian" was question #2 but i forgot to label it |
| 17:11.10 | philluminati | I have to ask. How do make sense of what's in /etc/apt/sources.list please? How do you know if it's correct? This is mine: http://pastebin.com/DPXhgZWR I think I want my system to be the latest debian-unstable breed. I may have enabled something else to get C++11 at one early point |
| 17:12.34 | gnarface | philluminati: did you try "man sources.list" ? |
| 17:12.37 | somiaj | philluminati: usually bad pratice to mix debian repos (for example mixing debian-multimedia.org stable with unstable |
| 17:12.46 | babilen | Dr_ST: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search '~i!~pstandard ~i!~prequired ~i!~pimportant'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:13.15 | somiaj | philluminati: but your offical debian repos are correct. Note that you should use sid (over unstable) but since unstable will always point to sid this isn't as big of an issues as say 'testing' vs 'wheezy' |
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| 17:13.31 | gnarface | philluminati: yea uh... that looks like you understand the syntax just fine but your problem is with your assumption that all that shit is compatible .... |
| 17:13.43 | somiaj | and really line 7 is just a smaller selection from the same repo as 6, so that is redundent. |
| 17:13.59 | butterball | Can I limit what a program is using on resources? I have Thunar moving files and it is at 95% cpu and slugging my computer down. |
| 17:13.59 | philluminati | gnarface: yeah that's my real question. |
| 17:14.00 | Dr_ST | babilen: I need to gome home for that, the system is not up at the moment, but I'll do it :-) |
| 17:14.10 | Dr_ST | hopefully tonight (In france :-) |
| 17:14.26 | somiaj | philluminati: unoffical third party repos are not supported. It is up to you to figure out if they are compadable (or just don't use them) |
| 17:14.35 | babilen | Dr_ST: Well, that will list all packages that can easily be purged without removing anything "important" (unless *you* think its important) |
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| 17:15.19 | Dr_ST | thanks a lot babilen gnarface nkuttler (and others), I'll test this and hopefully report it tonight or tomorrow |
| 17:15.22 | philluminati | somiaj: I'm happy to remove those third party ones I think |
| 17:15.22 | somiaj | philluminati: there are various ways to do this. You can set the nice value of the process to say how it works with others (i.e. the lower the nice value the more priority linux wll give that process) |
| 17:15.23 | Dr_ST | bye |
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| 17:15.29 | babilen | Dr_ST: Good luck and cya! |
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| 17:16.09 | gnarface | philluminati: debian multimedia is not an official part of debian (contrary to popular belief) and this is actually because it has very low quality control and often falls out of sync with debian policy in other ways too (ways that typically break your installation) |
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| 17:16.20 | somiaj | philluminati: Your issue is probabaly disk ussage, when copying lots of files I find that the io bus gets bogged down, so though your computer can function just fine if something is in memeory, loading a new program (or data) from the harddisk will be sluggish since that is the bottle neck. |
| 17:16.39 | somiaj | butterball: (arg read my last two posts to philluminati ) |
| 17:16.46 | somiaj | philluminati: I fail badly at tab completion |
| 17:16.52 | philluminati | somiaj: no worries |
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| 17:17.48 | philluminati | Last night I ran 'apt-get upgrade'. I haven't done it 2 years. I used stable for a year, then messed around with this config to get C++11. I imagine it's trying to do too much for me. |
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| 17:18.11 | somiaj | philluminati: even going a few months can make upgrades very very hard on sid |
| 17:18.19 | philluminati | when I ran apt-get upgrade it took so long I killed it after 3 hours and 3.5 GB RAM doing dependencies |
| 17:18.33 | somiaj | philluminati: trust me, that is about my average I upgrade && dist-upgrade my sid install every few months, and always have something to fix...its fun!! (: |
| 17:18.55 | philluminati | I downloaded the Debian 6.06 AMD DVD so I could reinstall from that |
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| 17:19.11 | somiaj | philluminati: when did you kill it? If you killed it during the download you are fine. If you killed it during the install/configuring of the packges you have entered the twlight zone. |
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| 17:19.51 | philluminati | somiaj: it hadn't finished resolving packages / conflicts. It didn't even give me a summary or present me with conflict resolution ideas |
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| 17:20.23 | philluminati | when it says "open: 350000, closed: 18000, conflicts: 15" etc |
| 17:20.25 | somiaj | that is the problem with unoffical repos (there is no quality control to make sure they play nicely in the sandbox) |
| 17:20.51 | somiaj | (sometimes when doing large upgrades, comment out your unoffical repos and you can get it to work) |
| 17:21.33 | somiaj | for the most part wine in sid is upto date these days so unless you needed newer than 1.5.6 you are fine. Opera you are gonna have to get unofically (I prefer to just download the .deb's though) |
| 17:21.41 | philluminati | I can either reinstall.. I have a copy of the Debian 6.06 AMD64 DVD here I just burnt.. or I can try and full-upgrade this system... but I think things are likely to break either way |
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| 17:22.23 | philluminati | I only used wine for spotify before they released the linux client a year ago. I don't need that any more. |
| 17:22.32 | butterball | ty |
| 17:22.46 | linduxed | gnarface: this has happened on squeeze and wheezy |
| 17:22.48 | philluminati | I have wine 1.1.42 :-s |
| 17:23.09 | butterball | is there a uland or userland control for users programs? |
| 17:23.09 | linduxed | gnarface: that's excluding the fact that the same has happened on various versions of ubuntu and on arch |
| 17:23.26 | somiaj | linduxed: what has happened? Have you looked for a bug report? |
| 17:24.20 | linduxed | somiaj: basically, when i boot up my computer, get X up and want to fire up my first terminal, my shell is set up so that keychain is run |
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| 17:24.46 | linduxed | somiaj: if it's the first time it's run, it asks for the passphrase to the key |
| 17:25.11 | linduxed | somiaj: after i enter it, it takes AGES before i finally get my prompt |
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| 17:27.38 | somiaj | how do you run your keychain when you launch a terminal? Do you do it from your .bashrc? |
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| 17:27.49 | linduxed | .zshrc, but yeah |
| 17:27.59 | somiaj | (or somethign similar) recall when X is loaded via a gdm, your .zshrc is run as the shell for X |
| 17:28.14 | somiaj | so my guess is because of that you have it asking for a password (in a place you can't enter it in) and it is waiting for a timeout |
| 17:28.15 | linduxed | and do note that (as mentioned above) this also happens under other distros |
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| 17:28.39 | somiaj | yea it is because .zshrc is parsed before your wm is fully loaded. Put some logic in there to make sure you actually have a terminal (and not just a login shell) |
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| 17:29.17 | linduxed | what? this is after awesome is fully loaded |
| 17:29.28 | linduxed | and it happens the same way if i don't use X |
| 17:29.36 | linduxed | in a TTY, that is |
| 17:29.59 | philluminati | should my system just have one source.list entry: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:30.12 | philluminati | I can't help feel that would be the right thing for now |
| 17:31.11 | sney | philluminati, for a sid system that is all you really need |
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| 17:31.58 | philluminati | sid = unstable right? |
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| 17:32.54 | sney | philluminati, yes. http://deb.li/sidfaq <- this is a MUST READ if you are going to use sid/unstable |
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| 17:36.25 | philluminati | thanks sney |
| 17:36.41 | philluminati | now I'm thinking of going to stable |
| 17:36.58 | philluminati | although apt gave me not a lot of breakage to be honest |
| 17:37.13 | sney | well, you can't downgrade, so you would have to reinstall if you wanted to go back to stable. |
| 17:37.33 | sney | right now because of the testing freeze, unstable is at its least chaotic. |
| 17:37.47 | sney | !slushy |
| 17:37.47 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 17:38.20 | philluminati | :-s |
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| 17:43.13 | philluminati | output from aptitude full-upgrade... stable vs unstable: http://paste.debian.net/206966/ |
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| 17:43.45 | philluminati | Looks like a stable upgrade would update 100MB of data and unstable 1.5GB |
| 17:44.07 | philluminati | but it looks like a stable update would be safe from what I can tell |
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| 17:44.56 | sney | yes, just make sure unstable is not present in your sources.list anymore |
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| 17:45.21 | philluminati | It's not... and won't be reintroduced. |
| 17:45.26 | philluminati | thank you |
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| 17:47.42 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:48.11 | Posterdati | how can I automatically mount the usb floppy on kde (wheezy) like for usb sticks? |
| 17:48.13 | Posterdati | thanks |
| 17:48.28 | aleksanderw | hello everyone. I want to install different linux OS (ISO) on ONE pendrive. Any help? maybe a software to do that? |
| 17:48.35 | philluminati | !nvidia glx |
| 17:48.58 | philluminati | !nvidia |
| 17:48.59 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages) or <nvidia dkms>. For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:49.39 | edju | The *cdrom output of lshw -C disk shows "configuration: status=open". Does that refer to an open tray? If so, no wonder eject doesn't work. |
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| 18:08.27 | nielsle | If remove a mounted USB-stick and insert another USB-stick then nautilus doesn't discover the second stick. Is it possible to reset nautilus so that it is able to disciver the second stick? http://dpaste.com/825873/ |
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| 18:09.37 | initself | how can i tell what Debian version supports postgresql 9.1? |
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| 18:09.58 | initself | this site http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ says "PostgreSQL is available in all Debian versions by default." |
| 18:09.59 | sney | ,v postgresql |
| 18:10.01 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+130~bpo60+2; squeeze- |
| 18:10.01 | judd | backports: 9.1+134wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy1; sid: 9.1+134wheezy2; experimental: 9.1+136 |
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| 18:10.32 | sney | looks like you can use any currently supported debian version to get 9.1 |
| 18:10.35 | initself | ok, what is that telling me? |
| 18:10.37 | initself | ANY? |
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| 18:10.41 | initself | like, squeeze? |
| 18:10.52 | sney | it's in squeeze-backports |
| 18:10.55 | initself | because of backports? |
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| 18:11.14 | initself | so does that mean the testers tested it on sid and wheezy and then ported it back? |
| 18:11.20 | initself | and it's basically stable? |
| 18:12.05 | sney | wheezy itself is very close to being released as debian stable 7.0 |
| 18:12.11 | boudiccas | !backports |
| 18:12.12 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:13.15 | initself | if i install wheezy now, is upgrading it to stable trivial? |
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| 18:14.13 | sney | initself, you mean when it gets released? yes, very trivial, the last upgrade is usually very small |
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| 18:14.28 | initself | do you upgrade the os using apt-get? |
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| 18:14.37 | sney | yes |
| 18:14.40 | initself | amazing |
| 18:14.53 | initself | so basically, if i was starting from scratch today, i would install wheezy. |
| 18:14.57 | initself | sounds like a plan |
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| 18:15.35 | boudiccas | initself, wheezy is 'testing' and still in development, you'd best be okay to stick with squeeze |
| 18:15.49 | initself | but sney said it was almost stable |
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| 18:16.03 | initself | Linux pg 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 22:29:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 << means i have 64 bit system? |
| 18:16.09 | sney | yes, that's 64 bit |
| 18:16.31 | boudiccas | initself, i'm going on your level of knowledge as you don't know about apt-get. to run wheezyatm, you need to be linux-savvy |
| 18:16.51 | sney | boudiccas is correct that wheezy is testing and still in development, and if you're looking to run specific services then you should check their pages on bugs.debian.org to see if there are any release critical bugs that you should be aware of |
| 18:16.54 | initself | i have never upgraded debian before |
| 18:17.25 | sney | however, boudiccas is incorrect in saying that wheezy is a bad idea for a new user in its current state. |
| 18:17.56 | sney | if you install wheezy right now, and want to keep using wheezy when it is released as stable, then it's not really an "upgrade" so much as it is just regular system updates. |
| 18:18.08 | initself | neat |
| 18:18.48 | sney | the testing process takes a big mess and gradually shapes it into a stable release, and through that process, the number of software updates shrinks as bugs are fixed and software is stabilized. |
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| 18:19.46 | Proximus | Hey folks |
| 18:20.02 | Proximus | I want to install debian in virtualbox |
| 18:20.13 | Proximus | im running 64amd |
| 18:20.26 | Proximus | should I choose 64 bit or 32? |
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| 18:20.45 | sney | amd64 is 64-bit |
| 18:21.20 | zinx | Proximus: amd64 unless you have a good reason not to |
| 18:21.56 | zinx | Proximus: there are a number of good reasons, but you generally know when one applies :) |
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| 18:22.27 | mtn | so virtualbox does 64 bit now? |
| 18:23.03 | Proximus | mtn there are options to choose either debian or debian 64 |
| 18:23.08 | Proximus | so yeah I suppose so |
| 18:23.24 | mtn | Proximus: running in virtualbox? |
| 18:23.46 | zinx | i would be surprised if it didn't support 64bit guests on a 64bit host |
| 18:23.52 | zinx | VERY surprised |
| 18:24.10 | Proximus | one last question |
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| 18:24.17 | Proximus | when you download iso from debian.org |
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| 18:24.25 | mtn | Nice, didn't know that. |
| 18:24.31 | Proximus | what's the difference between cd and dvd? |
| 18:24.34 | sney | size |
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| 18:24.39 | Proximus | and which one should I choose? |
| 18:24.49 | sney | use the netinstall cd |
| 18:25.03 | sney | it will only download the packages you need, and the network within virtualbox is supported by it |
| 18:25.24 | Proximus | thank you :-) |
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| 18:26.24 | Proximus | what's the difference between cd 1, 2, 3, 5 etc |
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| 18:27.58 | sney | Proximus, the CD set contains all of the packages available in debian main. |
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| 18:28.27 | sney | if you have a working network connection, the most you need is the first CD, and you would be better off with the http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 18:29.08 | peterrooney | Proximus: if you have a network connection , use netinstall CD. of the 30,000-some-odd packages, most people only need a small subset. debian tries to keep track of which ones are most popular. cd 1 has all packages anyone whould normally be expected to install, cd 2 contains unusual ones, cd 3 rare ones, and so on. |
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| 18:30.20 | peterrooney | keep in mind your definition of unusual may not jibe with other people's votes on unusual |
| 18:30.42 | Proximus | thank you all |
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| 18:31.04 | Proximus | what a great chatroom |
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| 18:32.28 | peterrooney | If you're going to be installing on 30 machines at the bottom of a ravine in Tuktoyaktuk, sure, download the entire set. otherwise, it's wasted bandwidth and time. |
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| 18:35.49 | SoobNauce | I am very close to properly having installed debian; the only problem is the debian installer failed to install grub properly |
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| 18:36.18 | SoobNauce | I have the netinstall image - I can probably boot debian using the bootloader from the netinstall image if I know what command to use |
| 18:36.31 | SoobNauce | could someone perhaps please start a pm session with me for this |
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| 18:36.57 | boudiccas | SoobNauce, keep it in channel, that way everyone can contribute |
| 18:37.01 | SoobNauce | ok |
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| 18:39.38 | SoobNauce | looks like what I want is... supergrubdisk? |
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| 18:40.44 | v4nelle | guys i have nut 2.6.4 but i have this problem which as i can see is fixed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635186 |
| 18:40.49 | v4nelle | i have mustek 848 |
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| 18:54.36 | awc737 | hey |
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| 18:54.45 | awc737 | all of a sudden all my IRC clients won't connect to freenode |
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| 18:54.48 | awc737 | I'm on webchat now |
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| 18:55.01 | awc737 | it just hangs here forever Connecting to chat.freenode.net (193.219.128.49) port 6667... |
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| 18:56.07 | sney | can you traceroute that address? |
| 18:56.42 | awc737 | lol proxy.jw.local (10.33.73.132) |
| 18:56.45 | awc737 | yeah I can |
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| 18:59.32 | mczhb | hi. i cant activate mdadm-raid via rcconf. |
| 18:59.34 | somiaj | linduxed: hmm, have you tried to take your automatic keychain command from your .zshrc and run it manually right after you login? Do you have the same lag? |
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| 19:00.28 | somiaj | linduxed: I was just commenting that when X is loaded from a gdm, it runs an Xsession, most Xsession will run a login shell and launch X from that login shell (Which will parse your .zshrc to ensure you have the correct enviorment before starting the x process) So was just wondering if that was your issue |
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| 19:01.41 | linduxed | somiaj: i don't remember what happens tbh, might give good results, but i haven't tried for a while |
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| 19:06.45 | gez | Hi |
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| 19:06.53 | format_c | hi gez |
| 19:07.01 | gez | hi format_c |
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| 19:07.13 | gez | This is driving me nuts: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. |
| 19:07.14 | awc737 | I can connect to IRC on web clients, but not on any clients... wtf? |
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| 19:07.46 | boudiccas | awc737, check your firewall isnt blocking you |
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| 19:07.58 | awc737 | how can I do that |
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| 19:08.06 | format_c | gez, yes samba in a AD dirves one nuts |
| 19:08.11 | awc737 | wouldn't it also block the web browser from connecting boudiccas |
| 19:08.19 | boudiccas | awc737, have you got a firewall? |
| 19:08.33 | awc737 | boudiccas: no |
| 19:08.48 | boudiccas | awc737, then it doesnt apply then |
| 19:08.54 | gez | format_c: Do you have any idea about that error? I can't find anything |
| 19:09.12 | awc737 | :( |
| 19:09.13 | gez | Just old reports from other distros with solutions that don't work in my debian testing |
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| 19:10.23 | format_c | gez join ok? |
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| 19:10.49 | format_c | AFAIK net ads --test-join |
| 19:11.06 | format_c | or net ads help |
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| 19:12.07 | gez | format_c: I can't create shares. That's the error that nautilus-share gives me when I try to create a share |
| 19:12.15 | somiaj | awc737: your ISP could have a firewall. Some isp's are quite picky and block all except mail and http ports |
| 19:12.19 | somiaj | awc737: (in the low range) |
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| 19:14.38 | format_c | sorry haven't yet created SMB shares with nautilus |
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| 19:14.50 | codekK | hi all, someone can help me with karnaugh map with 5 vars? |
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| 19:17.03 | n2diy | hi debian, after 6.5 years of Ubuntu, I'm switching to Debian, configuring apt now, on the test box. |
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| 19:19.12 | ratcheer | n2diy: Smart move. |
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| 19:21.45 | n2diy | ratcheer, thanks. |
| 19:22.31 | ratcheer | n2diy: What are you running? I'm on sid. |
| 19:22.32 | n2diy | booted up and logged in, now I have to figure out how to get X. |
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| 19:23.19 | ratcheer | http://wiki.debian.org/XWindowSystem |
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| 19:24.04 | ercole08 | !list |
| 19:24.04 | dpkg | ercole08: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 19:24.14 | n2diy | ratcheer, 6.05, forget the name. |
| 19:24.23 | codekK | someone can help me with Karnaugh map with 5 vars?? :S |
| 19:24.47 | sney | !tell n2diy about install x |
| 19:25.26 | n2diy | ! x |
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| 19:29.39 | n2diy | installing kdesktop, I assume I can install XFCE later? |
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| 19:30.19 | sney | yep, all you need is disk space |
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| 19:31.18 | somiaj | n2diy: and depending on the way you log into X you have to configure which desktop is loaded. |
| 19:31.18 | n2diy | kdesktop threw me a curve, installing kdebase now. |
| 19:31.31 | squisher | Hi folks, if I submit a patch to an open bug report, should I / can I tell the bts that it should mark the bug with having a patch, or is that the maintainer's task? |
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| 19:32.31 | somiaj | I would leave it up to the matianer, they still have to make sure the patch is of the quality and DSFG policy for debian. |
| 19:32.51 | somiaj | though I'm unsure if you as a regular user can set such a flag and let the matainer change it if it didn't work. |
| 19:33.05 | n2diy | ratcheer, I have Squeeze here. |
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| 19:33.49 | ratcheer | n2diy: Yes, I knew that from the 6.05 you posted. But, thanks. |
| 19:34.04 | dondelelcaro | squisher: you can mark it as a patch |
| 19:34.07 | dondelelcaro | squisher: that's always ok |
| 19:34.24 | dondelelcaro | squisher: just send a message to control@bugs.debian.org with tag bugnumber patch; |
| 19:34.34 | sney | n2diy, you should really install a metapackage like kde-plasma-desktop, it will handle all of your dependencies |
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| 19:34.51 | squisher | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks. Do you know of the top of your head how I can mark the bug as being present in a different version, too? |
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| 19:36.28 | dondelelcaro | squisher: found bugnumber fooversion |
| 19:36.35 | n2diy | sney, ok, I'm playing on the test box, so nothing is set in stone. |
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| 19:36.50 | dondelelcaro | squisher: but first look at the graph in the upper right had corner of the bug report; if it's already red in that version, no need to use found. |
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| 19:37.06 | dondelelcaro | (it doesn't hurt if you do, of course; it's just more work for you) |
| 19:37.54 | squisher | yeah, got it. I only asked because i got confused by a transitional package, you're right and there's no need to mark it |
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| 19:38.49 | n2diy | sney, I thought apt-get dealt with dependencies? |
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| 19:39.18 | dondelelcaro | squisher: no worries. |
| 19:39.36 | sney | n2diy, it does, but it's not psychic. if you install something in the middle of the dependency chain like kdebase then you'll be missing other important stuff. |
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| 19:40.34 | sney | n2diy, a metapackage is just something that tells apt "here are all the packages we need to provide $feature or $software set" |
| 19:40.59 | n2diy | sney, ok, I tried installing kdesktop, and apt told me it was available, and to install kdebase-something?-bin, so thats what I did. |
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| 19:41.09 | n2diy | was/wasn't |
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| 19:43.01 | sney | n2diy, yeah, and that's not anywhere close to everything you need to have KDE installed and working. trust me on this. apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop |
| 19:43.20 | sney | when you see apt asking you to approve a big pile of packages, that's when you know you're on the right track. |
| 19:43.54 | DeusEx | howdy |
| 19:44.00 | n2diy | sney, roger roger. Have a half hour until kdebase finishes. |
| 19:44.08 | squisher | does anyone know the current state of pulseaudio? I used to have way too much trouble with it last time I tried, but I'd really like to use the network transport right now :) |
| 19:44.38 | sney | squisher, it works sometimes depending on configuration. that's the state it's always been in |
| 19:45.22 | squisher | sney, ah, that's too bad -- I thought maybe support had improved a bit |
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| 19:48.07 | Dynetrekk | hi, I'm looking to mount approx. 4 SMB shares in my $USER home folder. I'm imagining a script containing 'sudo mount -t smbfs ...', but I can't write files after mounting. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:49.04 | sney | Dynetrekk, better to put them in fstab with the 'user' option |
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| 19:49.27 | Dynetrekk | sney: I don't like the idea of putting my passwd in cleartext there? |
| 19:49.59 | sney | Dynetrekk, well you can put them in fstab with user,noauto and then your user account can just mount them directly |
| 19:50.11 | Dynetrekk | sney: sounds sensible |
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| 19:56.46 | butterball | I'm trying to find info on what is installed during a normal install with the Laptop selection. Where should I look? I'm googling but not finding a direct link to debians site. |
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| 19:59.09 | UltraMC | Hi, why when I connect with my VNC server I can see a window with terminal and thats it? Why theres no icons or wallpaper (just gray solid color) |
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| 20:00.54 | Dynetrekk | sney: works like a charm, thanks for the pro tip |
| 20:00.56 | Dynetrekk | :) |
| 20:01.06 | sney | no problem |
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| 20:04.27 | _genuser_ | hey folks, installing a new debian install. curious about which is preferrable. Truecrypt + debian, debian + truecrypt (for folders/partition), debian + dmcrypt (LUKS)? |
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| 20:05.03 | squisher | _genuser_, imho it only makes sense to use truecrypt if you want to access the data using windows |
| 20:05.12 | squisher | otherwise dmcrypt will have much better support |
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| 20:05.23 | format_c | if I don't want full blown exim4 MTA just to have the mail binary, which package to take best? |
| 20:05.25 | format_c | sendmail? |
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| 20:05.33 | squisher | like an option to encrypt directly in the installer |
| 20:06.03 | _genuser_ | squisher: I thougth that and I remember from gentoo, using dmcrypt and encrypting the boot partition requires so much initram stuff. |
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| 20:06.22 | squisher | _genuser_, that's all taken care of automatically these days |
| 20:06.25 | n2diy | sney, I just saw a libplasma flash by on the screen? |
| 20:06.28 | _genuser_ | squisher: but other wise, I suppose windows concern could be secondary and ignored. |
| 20:07.11 | sney | n2diy, well yes, in KDE4 a lot of things have "plasma" in the name |
| 20:07.13 | _genuser_ | squisher: hmmm, you're saying the isntaller with have the correct initramfs etc already compiled and ready to go eh? |
| 20:07.20 | sney | you may have gotten lucky and installed most of it, only time will tell |
| 20:07.26 | squisher | format_c, sendmail is an mta, too ;-) Possible mailutils is what you're looking for |
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| 20:07.41 | _genuser_ | squisher: I'm also thinking of moving to debian possibly for raid1 from gentoo. it's too much fun on gentoo but, it takes too long to update with manual compile. |
| 20:07.51 | n2diy | sney, roger that, 3 minutes left. |
| 20:07.51 | squisher | _genuser_, yes, you can install a fully encrypted debian without any tinkering whatsoever |
| 20:08.02 | format_c | squisher, forgot to say it should be lightweight |
| 20:08.20 | UltraMC | Hi, why when I connect with my VNC server I can see a window with terminal and thats it? Why theres no icons or wallpaper (just gray solid color) |
| 20:09.01 | squisher | UltraMC, is this a headless server? if so you possibly need to install a window manager |
| 20:09.02 | sney | UltraMC, if it's a headless server maybe you didn't install a window manager or desktop environment |
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| 20:09.07 | sney | hive mind |
| 20:09.15 | squisher | ;-) |
| 20:09.20 | UltraMC | squisher, I have GNOME 2 |
| 20:09.23 | peterrooney | someone owes someone a beer |
| 20:09.26 | UltraMC | its my home desktop |
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| 20:09.57 | sney | UltraMC, are you trying to control your running desktop at home? if so what vnc server did you install? |
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| 20:10.44 | UltraMC | seny No its for another session - I want to have desktop like any other user would have. But insead I have only a window (dragable, from GNOME 2) with termial and gray background |
| 20:11.09 | UltraMC | sney, but I sharing desktop would be jucy - any tips on that? opening vnc4server at display :0 gives no result |
| 20:11.29 | sney | to share the desktop you just need to use x11vnc |
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| 20:12.31 | sney | for separate remote sessions over the public internet I really prefer xrdp over vnc, it has built in auth and it's pretty friendly with low bandwidth connections |
| 20:12.32 | UltraMC | sney, ok got it, what next ? :) |
| 20:12.56 | sney | the downside of x11vnc is you have to configure it from within the running session |
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| 20:13.03 | sney | and then it shares it like... a windows vnc server |
| 20:14.50 | kseifried | hey question: does anyone know if Debian maintains a list of UID/GID's associated with specific system services, e.g. irc is UID/GID 39, uucp is 10, news is 9, Debian-exim is 102:104, etc? |
| 20:14.50 | n2diy | sney, I just saw "unpacking plasma desktop" scroll by? |
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| 20:15.14 | sney | n2diy, I'd be curious to know the name of the package apt suggested to you |
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| 20:16.02 | squisher | kseifried, /etc/passwd and /etc/group ? |
| 20:16.05 | n2diy | sney, ok, I soon as I get my prompt back I'll let you know. |
| 20:16.24 | squisher | kseifried, but afaik aside from the very basic ones they're dynamically assigned |
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| 20:17.08 | squisher | kseifried, see adduser --system |
| 20:17.24 | kseifried | squisher, : the mongodb one for example has an error I think. in /etc/passwd it's mongodb::x:109:65534, in /etc/groups it is mongodb:x:117:mongodb |
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| 20:17.53 | squisher | kseifried, 65534 is nogroup -- that may have been on purpose |
| 20:18.00 | kseifried | mm ok. |
| 20:18.07 | kseifried | but if things share that gid ... ugh |
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| 20:18.10 | squisher | did it result in issues for you? |
| 20:18.17 | squisher | no that's perfectly fine |
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| 20:18.50 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there any way to stream media from your computer to ipod touch/iphone? |
| 20:19.02 | kseifried | squisher, : basically a colleague asked "what UID/GID should I use for the mongodb package? this one guy suggest 184" and my response was "you know... I can't think of a master list. I wonder what other people do" |
| 20:19.25 | kseifried | paranoidphreak, : make a web page with an mp3? |
| 20:19.48 | squisher | kseifried, ah ok. Well, unless you're on a network filesystem, I'd just use the automatically selected one :) |
| 20:20.02 | paranoidphreak | kseifried: how about videos? same process? |
| 20:20.06 | n2diy | sney, I ran "apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin" |
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| 20:20.15 | kseifried | squisher, : I work for redhat, this quesiton is bugging me now. |
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| 20:20.28 | kseifried | squisher, : the postfix docs say "I'm using uid X, notify me if it collides" =) |
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| 20:20.41 | kseifried | squisher, : basically it seems like people just grab a UID and hope for the best |
| 20:20.46 | UltraMC | sney, x11vnc gives me error |
| 20:20.47 | UltraMC | No protocol specified |
| 20:20.47 | UltraMC | 06/11/2012 22:22:22 XOpenDisplay(":0") failed. |
| 20:20.48 | UltraMC | 06/11/2012 22:22:22 Trying again with XAUTHLOCALHOSTNAME=localhost ... |
| 20:20.48 | UltraMC | No protocol specified |
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| 20:20.58 | sney | :| |
| 20:20.59 | squisher | kseifried, no idea how that works out for redhat, but afaik adduser will check for collisions |
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| 20:21.16 | kseifried | squisher, : right but I mean for system services we often use a static UID/GID |
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| 20:21.42 | squisher | kseifried, so fix your process ;-) |
| 20:21.52 | kseifried | oh and one concern would be (at least on redhat_ 65534 is nfsnobody, the nfs anon user |
| 20:21.57 | kseifried | squisher, : well, working on it |
| 20:22.06 | UltraMC | sney, x11vnc gives me an error: http://pastebin.com/e1mdnv4e |
| 20:22.08 | kseifried | squisher, : but like I said, wanna see if anyone else officially solved this |
| 20:22.37 | squisher | kseifried, well, again, why use static uids? Just let a tool pick one, and use the symbolic name |
| 20:22.47 | kseifried | squisher, : sometimes it matters. |
| 20:23.03 | squisher | then fix these inflexible tools |
| 20:23.09 | kseifried | squisher: random UID makes a lot of things like selinux/auditd/etc more painful |
| 20:23.16 | squisher | hm |
| 20:23.22 | squisher | ok, don't know about those |
| 20:23.36 | kseifried | plus people will want the UID/GID to match up across systems, especially when using network FS's/etc |
| 20:23.49 | kseifried | so statically assigning them fixes that problem |
| 20:24.16 | kseifried | squisher, : and it's never been a problem either |
| 20:24.25 | kseifried | at least I can't think of a single complaint I've ever seen |
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| 20:24.47 | n2diy | sney, I'm installing kde-plasma-desktop now, only 18 packages, 17meg unpacked, and its down DLing now, its finished and I'm at a prompt. Log out of root, and startx as my user? |
| 20:24.57 | kseifried | squisher, : also things like say you're using iptables and uuid, having to modify it per system would get stale |
| 20:25.06 | sney | n2diy, if you reboot you'll get a graphical login as well |
| 20:25.18 | jhutchins_wk | If you want IDs to match up across systems you use a central login system like NIS. |
| 20:25.35 | jhutchins_wk | That or you manually synchronize. |
| 20:25.37 | n2diy | sney, ok, let me try that. |
| 20:25.54 | jhutchins_wk | (Which would include distributing the files from a common source.) |
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| 20:38.02 | WillPittenger | I have a Debian 64-bit guest installed on my vBox VM. I'm having troubles using the virtual box guest additions CD to install guest additions. Nautilus tells me there is a auto-run script available, but won't run it. |
| 20:38.44 | kseifried | wildc4rd, : you need linux-headers, make, gcc |
| 20:38.48 | kseifried | willj, rather |
| 20:38.51 | kseifried | WillPittenger, rather |
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| 20:39.25 | WillPittenger | It won't even run the script. |
| 20:40.07 | dino- | I'm having a curious complete lack of working Flash in both Iceweasel and Chromium lately. Having a lot of trouble finding any help for it. |
| 20:40.13 | WillPittenger | I have Debian installing updates at the moment. Once that is done, I'll check for the things you mentioned. |
| 20:40.51 | dino- | Tried many things, fully upgraded (testing), latest flashplugin-nonfree, latest iceweasel, yada |
| 20:41.00 | dino- | Anybody else seeing this? |
| 20:41.25 | squisher | dino-, what does about:plugins in iceweasel say? Also a sometimes useful workaround for youtube is to switch to html5 |
| 20:41.37 | dino- | squisher: Only shows two things, neither of which is flash |
| 20:41.38 | babilen | !tell WillPittenger -about vbox |
| 20:41.40 | babilen | !tell WillPittenger -about vbox guest |
| 20:41.47 | babilen | !tell WillPittenger -about vbox guest |
| 20:42.21 | squisher | dino-, check ~/.xsession-errors for error messages? |
| 20:42.22 | dino- | squisher: html5, yeah, but some stuff isn't viewable that way yet. I guess has to do with ads maybe. |
| 20:43.01 | n2diy | sney, logged in, running X, migrated from KDE3 to 4, /home is ok, having fun. |
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| 20:44.12 | dino- | hm, I do see a bunch of gnome-settings-daemon crying about dbus |
| 20:44.16 | dino- | in .xsession-errors |
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| 20:44.46 | squisher | i doubt that's related to flash though ;-) |
| 20:45.30 | ToApolytoXaos | evening everyone. debian multimedia is an unofficial repository for hosting apps like VideoLAN, Handbrake and such. How come Debian is not supporting them by default? |
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| 20:46.18 | squisher | dino-, what does the output of 'update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla.so' say? Pastebin or summarize here |
| 20:46.24 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: VideoLAN and Handbrake are supported by default... |
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| 20:46.55 | ToApolytoXaos | but where are they located in repositories? i can find them listed only in debian-multimedia.org |
| 20:46.58 | ToApolytoXaos | bed |
| 20:47.02 | ToApolytoXaos | damn!! |
| 20:47.08 | ToApolytoXaos | Deb-mutlimedia |
| 20:47.14 | ToApolytoXaos | what... |
| 20:47.22 | babilen | ToApolytoXaos: Because dmm is considered evil, vile and is known to break perfectly working installations. Read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/03/msg00151.html for more information |
| 20:47.23 | ToApolytoXaos | too tired to type :((( |
| 20:47.25 | gnarface | v, handbrake |
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| 20:47.52 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vlc http://packages.debian.org/experimental/handbrake-gtk |
| 20:47.52 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: vlc is probably in non-free. i think handbrake is actually NOT supported... |
| 20:48.03 | zinx | handbrake is experimental because it's got bugs |
| 20:48.21 | ToApolytoXaos | vlc non free... gnarface you are kidding right? |
| 20:48.27 | kseifried | zinx: what doesn't have bugs :P |
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| 20:48.56 | dino- | squisher: error: no alternatives for flash-mozilla.so |
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| 20:49.34 | squisher | dino-, what's in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ and in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ? |
| 20:49.39 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: the DFSG are available for you to read |
| 20:49.55 | ToApolytoXaos | DFSG? |
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| 20:50.02 | dino- | # ls /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 20:50.03 | dino- | pubkey.asc |
| 20:50.05 | babilen | !tell ToApolytoXaos -about dfsg |
| 20:50.09 | dino- | # ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 20:50.09 | dino- | libgnome-shell-browser-plugin.so |
| 20:50.10 | ninux | hi there! i'm running debian on a very tiny embedded device and i would like to have more storage, how can i set a usb flash drive to be the new main storage? are there any tutorials or adviseable man-pages? |
| 20:50.22 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: Debian Free Software Guidelines - anything that doesn't follow them is put in non-free, or just not packaged by official Debian |
| 20:50.24 | dino- | So there it is, not in plugins for mozilla |
| 20:50.37 | ToApolytoXaos | ah i see |
| 20:50.46 | ToApolytoXaos | from that kind of perspective |
| 20:50.51 | dino- | Isn't this supposed to be handled by the successful installation of flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 20:50.52 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: if you read them, you'll understand that they are pretty lax |
| 20:50.56 | dino- | Which is showing as ii in dpkg output |
| 20:51.10 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: yea non-free just means patent-encumbered around here and even then usually only in the USA. you still don't have to pay, don't worry. :) |
| 20:51.13 | zinx | ToApolytoXaos: yes, libre free, not gratis free :) |
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| 20:51.26 | squisher | dino-, it's where? I didn't see anything flash related there. Maybe try running update-flashplugin-nonfree again |
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| 20:53.41 | dino- | squisher: Ah, running that update-flashplugin-nonfree --install put it back in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
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| 20:55.58 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: It's a developer pissing match. dmm offers packages that Debian can't distribute for legal reasons. Unfortunately, the dmm maintainer and the official debian maintainers have had a falling out, so they blame him any time something goes wrong and his packages are installed. |
| 20:56.31 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: He, in turn, refuses to discuss the problems with them, and continues to do things that piss them off. |
| 20:56.37 | dino- | squisher: Hey, that works, flash playing now in iceweasel. |
| 20:56.41 | dino- | Thank you |
| 20:56.49 | ToApolytoXaos | and frankly i understand Debian about it...all the issues i have had up to now were from multimedia repository. go figure :/ |
| 20:56.56 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: The only way to get certain proprietary protocols to work is to either build the packages yourself or use dmm. |
| 20:57.21 | squisher | dino-, you're welcome. I'm not sure how it works in chronium, afaik they bundle flash (or at least chrome does) |
| 20:57.28 | ToApolytoXaos | well, i use multimedia for acroreader, handbrake, vlc, lame, and mplayer |
| 20:57.39 | ToApolytoXaos | currently uninstalling them though |
| 20:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: With dmm you have a larger pool of people testing stuff rather than just yourself, but you also rely on one guy to care about your problem and have (and take) the time to fix it. |
| 20:57.47 | dino- | squisher: Will see in a minute if it picks up the moz plugins dir |
| 20:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: There is a script in contrib that downloads the Adobe reader. |
| 20:58.24 | ToApolytoXaos | wicked :D |
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| 20:59.11 | dino- | squisher: ya, chromium is magically finding it now too |
| 20:59.14 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: The only problem I've had with dmm is that when they got into this pissing match, he not only stopped maintaining lenny he deleted it. |
| 20:59.15 | dino- | Thanks again. |
| 20:59.31 | squisher | cool |
| 20:59.43 | n3t0cfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.45 | ToApolytoXaos | jhutchins_wk, i understand his anger :/ |
| 21:00.26 | kseifried | n3t0cfg, : rss reader? |
| 21:00.50 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: I understand where the debian maintainers are coming from too, but he provided really essential components when they weren't availble to most users any other way. |
| 21:01.05 | n3t0cfg | no, some website that grabs the RSS feeds from outside and delivers it to users inside the intranet |
| 21:01.11 | ToApolytoXaos | jhutchins_wk, i really wish people could fork SumatraPDF and switch it to wxWidgets from MFC so they can import it to Linux and Mac OS X too |
| 21:01.18 | n3t0cfg | in a centralized manner ... |
| 21:01.55 | kseifried | n3t0cfg, : google reader |
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| 21:02.55 | n3t0cfg | kseifried, that's it but must be private, users cannot have access to the outside. It cannot be on the cloud... :-\ |
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| 21:03.27 | n3t0cfg | kseifried, like wordpress own instalation instead of wordpress.com |
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| 21:04.20 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: Y'know, I always get the Adobe reader and Flash mixed up, flash definitely has a downloader script. Not sure about the reader, I've been able to get by with the Linux PDF tools. |
| 21:04.33 | ToApolytoXaos | it's flash ;) |
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| 21:06.08 | ToApolytoXaos | damn...my system is gonna break like maaaaad :/ too many dependencies...damn deb-multimedia repo |
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| 21:07.37 | ToApolytoXaos | if i remove the repository, logically those packages will stay installed on my system, they won't get uninstalled, right? |
| 21:07.42 | JordiGH | For the purpose of internet nerd warfare, I want to know how much from the base Debian install do you need to download if you do "apt-get install build-essential", to compare with the 170 megs you need for "xcode command line tools" in Mac OS X. Can any of you quickly figure that out? |
| 21:08.08 | keith4_ | JordiGH: depends what you mean by "base" |
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| 21:08.47 | ToApolytoXaos | JordiGH, for what purpose do you want your basic system, and how basic do you want it? |
| 21:08.55 | JordiGH | keith4_: Only packages with priority "standard". |
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| 21:09.10 | JordiGH | Or higher, of course. |
| 21:09.26 | keith4_ | squeeze or wheezy? |
| 21:09.31 | JordiGH | wheezy, shall we say. |
| 21:09.39 | squisher | JordiGH, do a debootstrap, then run the apt-get command and see how much it wants to download |
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| 21:09.54 | ToApolytoXaos | well, in my case, for old PCs or lightweight systems I use SliTaz and i am really pleased :) |
| 21:09.57 | JordiGH | Heh, I was wondering if you guys would recommend that. |
| 21:10.01 | ToApolytoXaos | haven't tried something similar with Debian though |
| 21:10.05 | JordiGH | Fine, I'll do the debootstrap. |
| 21:10.28 | keith4_ | I can make a fresh VM and try it, if you'd like |
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| 21:11.16 | schreber | how easy/difficult would it to get "restricted" codecs installed on debian wheezy (i.e., audio and video codecs)? |
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| 21:12.10 | JordiGH | keith4_: I'm doing it in a chroot, but my machine is a little old, if yours is fast and no skin off your nose, I'd appreciate it. |
| 21:12.29 | keith4_ | PXE install with LAN mirror... takes like 4 minutes |
| 21:12.36 | ratcheer | schreber: Such as the gstreamer plugins? |
| 21:12.39 | JordiGH | keith4_: Probably longer on mine. If you don't mind... |
| 21:13.04 | schreber | ratcheer: more like the ability to play xvid, h/x264, and mp3 files |
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| 21:13.27 | oo_miguel | can somebody sugggest a tool that will allow me to estimate the reliability of my hard-disks? |
| 21:13.44 | keith4_ | JordiGH: I usually disable 'recommends', though... |
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| 21:13.58 | keith4_ | oo_miguel: just assume they're unreliable |
| 21:14.18 | gnarface | schreber: those will all work out of the box. you might not even need non-free for mp3 support anymore |
| 21:14.25 | ratcheer | schreber: Take a look at pakages such as gstreamer-plugins-bad and gstreamer-plugins-ugly and see if they have what you need. |
| 21:14.26 | ShaggyTwoDope | hmmmmmmm |
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| 21:14.49 | JordiGH | keith4_: Yeah, that's fine. |
| 21:14.58 | keith4_ | k, stand by |
| 21:15.24 | schreber | I guess I've been trained to assume you need something like that to get thing up and running after being on ubuntu for so long |
| 21:15.38 | oo_miguel | keith4_: But when do I replace them/ throw them away? |
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| 21:16.36 | keith4_ | oo_miguel: try smartmontools |
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| 21:16.57 | gnarface | Schoentoon: x264 and mp3 are reasonbly well supported for me in sid with no dmm and xvid is open source i don't even know why you'd worry about that one... |
| 21:17.05 | gnarface | schreber: ^^^^ that was to you |
| 21:17.07 | gnarface | Schoentoon: ignore me |
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| 21:17.52 | schreber | gnarface: well with some of the encodes I've seen I try to make sure my bases are covered. |
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| 21:18.33 | JordiGH | Huh, debootstrap created a user named like me? |
| 21:18.43 | gnarface | schreber: where you're gonna have trouble is with the newer versions of sorensen/quicktime stuff and whatever microsoft is putting into wmv's these days, but older stuff typically works |
| 21:19.25 | oo_miguel | thankx keith4_ |
| 21:19.29 | JordiGH | That or I already had a chroot here and debootstrap happily installed over it? |
| 21:19.41 | schreber | gnarface: I try to stay away from wmv, mov files but I've noticed that I've had very little problems with rmvb |
| 21:20.28 | schreber | my current set up allows me to play just about anything via smplayer or vlc |
| 21:20.30 | gnarface | schreber: well, interestingly enough its not the wmv/mov part that's actually the problem, its the video codecs inside them that are the problem. the container formats themselves haven't changed much since the 90's |
| 21:20.42 | gnarface | schreber: so you can't tell just by the file name |
| 21:20.43 | ToApolytoXaos | question: dmm packages that i have removed, and deleted deb-multimedia repository, if i reinstall them, will my system look for the deleted repository, or the current available ones? |
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| 21:21.02 | schreber | gnarface: of course, my mistake |
| 21:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: You've removed dmm, so aptitude update will remove the packages from that repo from your list of available packages. |
| 21:22.25 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: Because they maintain distinct version numbering, you can't just use the reinstall command, but if you remove a package, then install it again, it will install from the debian repos rather than dmm. |
| 21:22.26 | ToApolytoXaos | yeah it has done so, i can see the auto-removable message from synaptic |
| 21:22.40 | ToApolytoXaos | i see |
| 21:23.02 | jhutchins_wk | ToApolytoXaos: See, that's one of the problems I have, I can't get dependencies to upgrade tovid on my Lenny system. |
| 21:23.13 | ToApolytoXaos | darn it |
| 21:23.29 | jhutchins_wk | Nor can I upgrade mediatomb to a version that actually works with my DVR. |
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| 21:23.54 | keith4_ | JordiGH: with literally *nothing* installed, using apt to install build-essential on wheezy (w/kern 3.2) on amd64 VM wants to download 43.7MB or archives |
| 21:24.08 | JordiGH | Literally *nothing*? |
| 21:24.18 | jhutchins_wk | How many packages? |
| 21:24.30 | keith4_ | nothing selected in tasksel, nothing installed post-reboot |
| 21:24.41 | oo_miguel | exit |
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| 21:24.46 | keith4_ | that 43.7MB is 28 packages |
| 21:24.54 | JordiGH | keith4_: I figuratively can't believe you just said that: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1207 |
| 21:24.56 | Proximus | Debian FTW |
| 21:25.07 | Proximus | The only system that works properly in VirtualBox |
| 21:25.10 | keith4_ | JordiGH: literally nothing additional ;-) |
| 21:25.25 | jhutchins_wk | I've been delaying upgrading to squeeze because KDE4 is such a bloated mess and no matter what DE I give her it's REALLY going to piss off my wife. |
| 21:25.58 | ToApolytoXaos | brb |
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| 21:27.29 | justin_ | keith4_: what packages? |
| 21:28.04 | justin_ | keith4_: I mean, you told it to install build-essential, why are you so surprised it wants to install packages? |
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| 21:28.33 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: xfce is relatively unassuming and mostly works |
| 21:28.57 | justin_ | yeah, xfce4 ~ kde2 before it got insane |
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| 21:29.22 | mmnicolas | justin_: you're still on kde3 ? Gnome 2 here, high-five! |
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| 21:29.24 | jelly-home | the version of xfce4-panel in squeeze is prone to 100% cpu usage on some systems |
| 21:29.35 | mmnicolas | sorry I meant, jhutchins_wk |
| 21:29.37 | keith4_ | justin_: ... huh? |
| 21:29.58 | justin_ | keith4_: huh is right |
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| 21:30.15 | keith4_ | justin_: you missed the first half of the conversation ;-) |
| 21:30.21 | justin_ | keith4_: i believe you are right |
| 21:31.04 | keith4_ | justin_: I don't blame you. it was 20 minutes ago |
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| 21:31.31 | Alpha-Omega | I installed a .deb package and it installed a lot of dependencies, how can I remove that package and all of the dependencies it installed? |
| 21:31.47 | justin_ | Alpha-Omega: in general remove it then apt-get autoremove. |
| 21:31.57 | justin_ | Alpha-Omega: see how that works first |
| 21:32.06 | JordiGH | keith4_: Well, that's considerably smaller than the 170 megs of "xcode commandline tools", whatever the latter might be. |
| 21:32.12 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: it will do so, theses packages will be marked as "no longer necessary" |
| 21:33.19 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: nope, didn't work, all it removes it the old linux kernel and headers |
| 21:33.49 | keith4_ | Alpha-Omega: how did you install this mysterious package, exactly? |
| 21:33.57 | schreber | What is the standard release cycle for Debian? I know they go for 'stable" in whatever they release but I'm hearing releases are anywhere from 12 to 18 months apart. |
| 21:34.01 | Alpha-Omega | i'm certain dependent packages were installed with the .deb, but even when I do sudo apt-get autoremove "package", it only shows that package and old linux kernel and header |
| 21:34.19 | Alpha-Omega | keith4_: qapt package installer |
| 21:34.23 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: use aptitude |
| 21:34.33 | gnarface | dpkg, tell schreber about wwwr |
| 21:34.34 | keith4_ | schreber: there is no "schedule" |
| 21:35.00 | keith4_ | Alpha-Omega: worst case, you can always check the dpkg log |
| 21:35.02 | JordiGH | I like that build-essential has the tag "Build-Essential: Yes". |
| 21:35.11 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: i'be always used apt-get, how would I do it with aptitude |
| 21:35.11 | gnarface | schreber: just like every ID Software game ever made; no release dates other than "when its done" |
| 21:35.28 | Alpha-Omega | keith4_: ok, if u can tell me where that log file is, I should be able to figure it out myself |
| 21:35.43 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: the syntax is similar, see man aptitude |
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| 21:36.13 | peterrooney | Alpha-Omega: you misunderstood: it is "apt-get autoremove", not "apt-get autoremove <package>" also, look into deborphan and debfoster |
| 21:36.35 | keith4_ | is debfoster still... a thing? I thought that was dead like 5 years ago |
| 21:36.46 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: or just launch the aptitude GUI, it'll all become clear |
| 21:36.48 | Alpha-Omega | peterrooney: no, I removed the package and then after did "sudo apt-get autoremove" and it only showed linux kernel and headers |
| 21:36.55 | nkuttler | , debfoster |
| 21:36.59 | nkuttler | , v debfoster |
| 21:37.00 | judd | Package: debfoster on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-1; squeeze: 2.7-1.1; sid: 2.7-1.2; wheezy: 2.7-1.2 |
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| 21:37.15 | Alpha-Omega | peterrooney: I was saying I tried sudo apt-get autoremove "package" before as well and it only showed linux kernel, headers, and the package in question |
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| 21:37.43 | mmnicolas | looks like a dangerous tool |
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| 21:38.24 | nkuttler | debfoster is wonderful. doesn't hurt to use it every few years |
| 21:38.27 | peterrooney | Alpha-Omega: then check into deborphan - it's much more thorough about finding packages with no dependancies, and as mmnicolas says, it can be dangerous if used unthinkingly or in automated scripts. |
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| 21:39.03 | Alpha-Omega | where can I see the log of installed packages? |
| 21:39.04 | mmnicolas | nkuttler: by every few years you mean, every stable releases ? |
| 21:39.07 | Alpha-Omega | i'll do this manually lol |
| 21:39.11 | WillPittenger | Looks like kseifried left. I would tell him that I have linux-headers-2.6-amd64, virtualbox-ose-guest-source, virtualbox-ose-dkms, linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64, linux-headers-2.6.32.-5-common, make, and gcc all installed. |
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| 21:39.32 | justin_ | Alpha-Omega: was this very recently that you installed and removed this package? |
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| 21:39.37 | peterrooney | Alpha-Omega: /var/log/dpkg |
| 21:39.47 | nkuttler | mmnicolas: not necessarily, but why not |
| 21:39.48 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: what version of debain? There have been certain versions of aptitude and apt-get that don't set the auto/manual flag correctly and so are bad about remove packages after you uninstall the main one. |
| 21:39.50 | WillPittenger | babilen: If all you do is provide me general information that I already am familiar with, I don't care what you say. |
| 21:39.59 | justin_ | peterrooney: it's /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:40.53 | nkuttler | mmnicolas: i usually run it when i notice packages i don't use in a dist-upgrade |
| 21:40.59 | peterrooney | justin_: how right you are. this is what i get for only one coffee in the morning: factually incorrect advice |
| 21:41.21 | somiaj | yea but on the other hand there is a directory /var/log/apt/ that has multiple log files for apt |
| 21:41.24 | peterrooney | thinks getting out of bed this AM was an error too |
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| 21:42.14 | Alpha-Omega | well, i found the packages that were installed, just no way I can copy and paste them in to be removed |
| 21:42.41 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: what do you mean no way? you could install gpm if you want a mouse copy/paste in a console. |
| 21:42.58 | somiaj | many text editors give you console tools to copy/pase parse out certain things form say a log file |
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| 21:43.20 | mmnicolas | or use pipes, as in | |
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| 21:43.38 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: no, it's in a format where it has words inbetween, like installing "package" then next line some bs and then installing "package" |
| 21:44.08 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: look at the apt logs, /var/log/apt/history.log for one, rember apt will most likely call dpkg tons of times (hence lots of lines) |
| 21:44.11 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: cat apt.log | awk `{print $2}` |
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| 21:45.48 | mmnicolas | or whatever the correct column number is |
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| 21:46.15 | JordiGH | Can I install Debian GNU/kFreeBSD in a chroot? Can the arch of a chroot be different? |
| 21:46.22 | edju | The *cdrom output of lshw shows "configuration: status=open". Does that refer to an open tray? If so, no wonder eject doesn't work. |
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| 21:46.39 | WillPittenger | Well, when I use the command line to run ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run (with the cdrom and the current working directory), it tells me that permission was denied. I was a super user (sudo) and tried both bash and dash. |
| 21:46.44 | homes | JordiGH: hmm, i don't imagine so |
| 21:46.56 | mmnicolas | JordiGH: no |
| 21:46.57 | somiaj | JordiGH: to a point. The problem is the kernel you are running has to be able to support the binaries. Not sure if the standard linux kernel can run kfreeBSD binaires |
| 21:47.11 | somiaj | JordiGH: but debootstrap has an --arch option. |
| 21:47.34 | JordiGH | To be fair, I just want to install GNU/kFreeBSD to troll both Linux and BSD users. |
| 21:47.51 | mmnicolas | JordiGH: use kvm |
| 21:47.58 | homes | JordiGH: and people who say 'linux' meaning gnu/linux :) |
| 21:48.06 | JordiGH | homes: 'Zactly. |
| 21:48.10 | homes | JordiGH: this is a noble cause. |
| 21:48.18 | mmnicolas | homes: last time I said "gnu/linux" I offended a bunch of people |
| 21:48.27 | JordiGH | mmnicolas: I couldn't figure out kvm. VirtualBox was pretty easy for me, though. |
| 21:48.35 | somiaj | yea I know the standard freeBSD kernel can run linux binaries. So maybe you can make a linux root inside of debian/kfreeBSD, but not the other way around....and yea kvm, virtuialbox or another vm would be the best option |
| 21:49.50 | somiaj | JordiGH: kvm requires hardware support, but provided you have it and turned on in your bios, you can use the graphical frontend virtmanager and it works really nicely liek vbox |
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| 21:49.55 | babilen | WillPittenger: Fair enough -- I merely wanted to point out that you can install the guest addition by installing the package in question and compile the module with DKMS. If you know all of that (including the installation instructions as on http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox) that is good, but then I misunderstood your question. |
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| 21:50.13 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yeah, I couldn't get past that initial thing. Also, don't you need to run a modified Linux? |
| 21:50.55 | somiaj | JordiGH: nope, kvm is part of the standard linux kernel. You are thinking of xen |
| 21:51.01 | WillPittenger | babilen: This isn't the OSE version. |
| 21:51.02 | babilen | WillPittenger: You might also want to consider being a bit nicer -- It might be hard to believe, but I did, in fact, intend to help you. It is, naturally, your right to "not care what [I] say" but it is not a very nice attitude towards helpers in here. |
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| 21:51.25 | WillPittenger | Fair enough. |
| 21:51.25 | JordiGH | somiaj: I see. |
| 21:51.35 | JordiGH | somiaj: So I can try out kvm without rebooting? |
| 21:51.44 | JordiGH | Assuming my hardware supports it... |
| 21:52.05 | babilen | WillPittenger: Why do you think that *we* support that version? If you want to compile *anything* you should probably start by installing build-essential ... but still: If you don't use Debian packages don't expect support in here. |
| 21:52.10 | somiaj | JordiGH: I only ran into two snags with kvm 1) had to reboot my computer to turn on the virtuilization in my bios. 2) I didn't run virtmanager (dont' like gui's, so figuring out virsh, virtinstall, and the other command line tools took a bit) |
| 21:52.21 | JordiGH | mmnicolas: Btw, if the distro itself is (usually) called "GNU/Linux", there's hardly cause to offend anyone. |
| 21:52.37 | somiaj | JordiGH: depends on two thigns. 1) does your processor support it and 2) do you have it turned on in your bios |
| 21:52.43 | mmnicolas | JordiGH: yea, it wasn't here |
| 21:52.54 | WillPittenger | babilen: ??? The host is a standard Virtual Box build. What I put on the guest is another matter. |
| 21:52.56 | babilen | WillPittenger: There is the (probably very helpful) #vbox channel here on freenode that is probably happy to help you |
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| 21:53.17 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
| 21:53.29 | WillPittenger | I asked there too, but at the moment, because Debian won't even run the script, it looks like a Debian issue. |
| 21:53.41 | somiaj | JordiGH: what processor do you have? |
| 21:53.47 | kristian-aalborg | I'm running squeeze on this box... some pdf files look horrible in evince but okay in xpdf |
| 21:53.50 | kristian-aalborg | what gives? |
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| 21:53.54 | babilen | WillPittenger: So install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/virtualbox-guest-additions on the guest and be done |
| 21:53.55 | JordiGH | somiaj: Is there a way to check the kvm prereqs before I take the plunge? I can't remember anything in my BIOS that sounded like "virtualisation". I have an Intel Core 2 Duo. |
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| 21:53.57 | WillPittenger | While they know vBox, they don't know debian that much. |
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| 21:54.39 | somiaj | JordiGH: cat /proc/cpuinfo -- check the features of your processor, look for vt-x (if you have that you have the processor support) |
| 21:54.44 | kristian-aalborg | I get some hits on Google saying it's a poppler bug... but these hits are all 2-3 years old |
| 21:54.53 | somiaj | JordiGH: it may be VT-x |
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| 21:55.05 | somiaj | JordiGH: sorry it is the 'vmx' flag -- look for that |
| 21:55.15 | WillPittenger | babilen: I missed that one. |
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| 21:55.34 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yeah, vmx is there. |
| 21:55.50 | WillPittenger | Will it stay up to date with changes to vBox's version and the Debian kernel? |
| 21:56.00 | somiaj | JordiGH: ok assuming it is on in your bios run 'modprobe kvm_intel' and see if it loads |
| 21:56.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: if no errors, check dmesg | tail -- you should see your kernel saying you now have support. |
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| 21:56.48 | JordiGH | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported |
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| 21:56.50 | JordiGH | ;_; |
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| 21:57.07 | somiaj | check dmesg, most likely it is just not turned on in your bios |
| 21:57.17 | somiaj | since your cpu dose have support |
| 21:57.19 | JordiGH | [701352.266120] kvm: disabled by bios |
| 21:57.20 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 21:57.33 | JordiGH | brb hibernating |
| 21:57.48 | Ali1331 | Hi, I'm a bit of a linux idiot and I'm having trouble upgrading to wheezy |
| 21:58.13 | Ali1331 | Seems to be a dependency issue with python-pyatspi2 |
| 21:58.19 | somiaj | Ali1331: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:58.41 | somiaj | Ali1331: note, since you are a 'debian leanrener' it is strongly suggested you wait until wheezy stabilizes and you can read the full release notes on the upgrade process |
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| 22:01.41 | Ali1331 | mm :( |
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| 22:02.18 | somiaj | Ali1331: it could be you are in a case that won't upgrade..recall this process is still undergoing testing |
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| 22:03.34 | Ali1331 | yeah its complaining that python-pyatspi2 needs xz-lzma which isn't installable and 2 other packages that require versions that are above those...due(?) to be installed |
| 22:03.39 | Ali1331 | it's all very confusing :p |
| 22:03.57 | somiaj | yea you are in a point where you may have to start trying to fix things by hand |
| 22:04.12 | somiaj | also did you use apt-get or aptitude to upgrade (and di dyou a dist-upgrade with apt-get or a full-upgrade with aptitude) |
| 22:04.40 | Ali1331 | I did aptitude update -> full-upgrade |
| 22:04.54 | Ali1331 | because people in Steam's Linux beta chat said that was how to do it :p |
| 22:05.24 | somiaj | well sometimes apt-get may work better. Try apt-get dist-upgrade (see if it can resolve those depends, but really aptitude is usually the better tool) |
| 22:05.59 | Ali1331 | ye that just says can't perform immediate config on python-pyatspi2 |
| 22:06.21 | Ali1331 | I tried unmarking that package in Synaptic |
| 22:06.24 | Ali1331 | but it won't let me |
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| 22:06.47 | somiaj | yea I don't want to try to help you untagle that mess. My suggestion don't use synaptic. it doens't play well with apt |
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| 22:06.58 | Ali1331 | ok, no worries |
| 22:07.10 | Ali1331 | can I change my sources back to squeeze? |
| 22:07.14 | Ali1331 | will that work? |
| 22:07.16 | _genuser_ | guys, I got stuck inside a VM installing an entire debian install which took a long time. If I unfocused the VM by release mouse control, the installation immediately froze. multiple times. until I left VM keep control. Is this a known behavrior? Using DVD6. VMware player 3. |
| 22:07.22 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: ok, I seem to have found what was installed, but next to the packages it has ":i386" as well as "(1.14.2+svn20120622-1, automatic)" for example, so how would I go about copying just the bare package names? |
| 22:07.57 | somiaj | Ali1331: at this point here is my suggestion. Reinstall a base system with a squeeze netinstall (or test the the beta wheezy installer) |
| 22:08.21 | somiaj | Ali1331: if you want wheezy you can still use the squeeze netinstall. install a base system. Upgrade to wheezy. Install the rest of your desired software |
| 22:08.36 | somiaj | Ali1331: the :i386 is very important in the package name (this is multiarch support) |
| 22:08.44 | Ali1331 | ye guess I messed something up |
| 22:08.48 | Ali1331 | thanks somiaj |
| 22:09.04 | Ali1331 | think you meant Alpha-Omega though there :) |
| 22:09.12 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: ^^ so if you have a package_name:i386 you want to keep that whole package name, do not take off the i386 |
| 22:09.43 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: so i would just do sudo apt-get autoremove libsasl2-modules:i386 for example? |
| 22:09.44 | somiaj | Ali1331: yea, if you had more knowledge of debian, dependencies and reading errors you could recover your install. My suggestion is mearly I'm being lazy and think you should learn by restarting form scratch (since it will probabaly be faster) |
| 22:09.49 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: correct |
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| 22:10.12 | Alpha-Omega | if yes, the only other problem is that I have a (.....) after the libsasl2-modules:i386 package as well as commas |
| 22:10.19 | Ali1331 | I switched it back to squeeze, everything seems fine |
| 22:10.20 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: the version you can ignore, but just use something like awk, sed if you want to parse out just the name from the log file |
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| 22:10.26 | Alpha-Omega | i wish there was just a list of the packages for me to copy and paste |
| 22:10.30 | WillPittenger | babilen: Didn't work. They told me how to run the script. |
| 22:10.34 | WillPittenger | That worked. |
| 22:10.35 | Ali1331 | Maybe I overstated the level of broken |
| 22:10.41 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: that's beyond my expertise :P |
| 22:10.58 | agike | Hi, having installed debian squeeze 6.0.5 (and upgraded), I find my function keys disabled and can't get inti a CLI terminal. How do I toggle them on ? |
| 22:11.02 | somiaj | Ali1331: if no upgrade actually happened (i.e. it only errored out because it couldn't resolve dependencies) then ya nothing was changed on your system. |
| 22:11.12 | Ali1331 | ah ok, thanks! |
| 22:11.14 | JordiGH | somiaj: Nice, that modprobe worked now. |
| 22:11.36 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: use my example, which column is it ? replace that number here, cat apt.log | awk `{print $2}` |
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| 22:11.55 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: ok, i'll try it :), just need to get print installed |
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| 22:12.29 | somiaj | JordiGH: install qemu-kvm and virt-manager |
| 22:12.36 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: no, just run it |
| 22:12.57 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: then just copy/paste with a mouse and get them one at a time, probabaly faster to just do that then try to learn a new tool. |
| 22:13.02 | Alpha-Omega | No command '{print' found, did you mean: Command 'nprint' from package 'ncpfs' (universe) Command 'print' from package 'mime-support' (main) Command 'qprint' from package 'qprint' (universe) {print: command not found |
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| 22:13.34 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: I meant exactly as I typed, you mistyped |
| 22:13.48 | _genuser_ | ok, lvm + dmcrypt installed. so I assume it encrypts and then craetes the volume on it? |
| 22:13.53 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: what do you mean? |
| 22:14.47 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: no you're right, hold on |
| 22:15.21 | Alpha-Omega | there's no apt.log, I have history.log within apt folder |
| 22:15.22 | somiaj | mmnicolas: you missed a semicolon |
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| 22:15.32 | mmnicolas | ' ' instead of ` ` |
| 22:15.41 | somiaj | cat foo | awk '{print $2;}' |
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| 22:15.51 | somiaj | oh yea and your parathensis were incorrect |
| 22:16.02 | mmnicolas | semicolon isn't necessary apparently |
| 22:16.16 | mmnicolas | never used that |
| 22:16.20 | somiaj | yea but ` ` ment run a command here, and there is no bash command called print |
| 22:16.37 | somiaj | well no command (shell or normal) |
| 22:16.41 | smj | I just realized something... is multiarch-support implemented to help transition i386 systems to amd64? |
| 22:16.53 | Alpha-Omega | that command didn't show that much output, not all the output i saw within the history log |
| 22:16.55 | mmnicolas | totally see that now, I'm not at home and my brother uses a weird keyboard layout |
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| 22:17.16 | somiaj | smj: no. multiarch support is because there always seems to be something people want to run on an arch they don't have libs for |
| 22:17.47 | Alpha-Omega | all I see for today is: http://pastebin.com/WRGs0au5 |
| 22:18.07 | somiaj | smj: in terms of amd64 and i386, it was common on amd64 to run across a program that only has a 32bit binary. So the old method was include a package ia32-libs to install some 32bit libs (since the 64bit kernel can run 32bit binaries, just needed the libs) |
| 22:18.08 | Alpha-Omega | i have maybe 50+ packages for what was installed and I want to remove |
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| 22:18.43 | somiaj | smj: but now it is a far more robust system as amd64/i386 isn't the only case you would have for wanting multiple binaries (the arm processors seem to use it to) |
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| 22:19.47 | Alpha-Omega | i guess the best thing is never to use .deb packages with dpkg, or it installs dependencies which are a pain in the ass to remove? lol |
| 22:19.47 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: so you wnat to remove "apt-get" ? |
| 22:20.02 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: lol, no, that was the output with ur command |
| 22:20.09 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: never seen an issue with that |
| 22:20.17 | mmnicolas | yea, but why is it on the list ? |
| 22:20.21 | Alpha-Omega | well what happened with me is |
| 22:20.22 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: the auto/manual flags are still quite new (in the history of .deb and apt) so there is always some issues with them. |
| 22:20.25 | Alpha-Omega | mmnicolas: idk |
| 22:20.32 | mmnicolas | Alpha-Omega: pastebin your full list |
| 22:20.36 | peterrooney | Let's get back to the original question - removing packages installed as deps for the original Which package did you install, and when? |
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| 22:20.59 | smj | okay, does switching architecture from i386 to amd64 without re-installing sound like something that would be possible in (near) future? |
| 22:21.01 | peterrooney | Alpha-Omega: also, were the dependancies primarily libraries? |
| 22:21.06 | mmnicolas | that's a very good question, still unanswered afaik |
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| 22:21.40 | Alpha-Omega | basically, all this is what I want to get rid of: http://pastebin.com/UJAWbCcT |
| 22:21.44 | somiaj | smj: well you will probabaly eventally replace every i386 lib/binary with a amd64 lib/binary. So who is that not a reinstall? |
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| 22:22.07 | somiaj | smj: so no the multi-arch is not set up so you can do a 'arch-upgrade' |
| 22:22.07 | Alpha-Omega | it installed with the .deb file and i don't see any easy way of getting rid of them |
| 22:22.47 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: so you installed a package with a .deb (dpkg -i foo.deb) how did you install the depends? |
| 22:23.01 | peterrooney | OMJF, ubuntu? really? |
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| 22:23.41 | matt868686 | Under Windows environment there is a NetBIOS name system for resolving NetBIOS names(usually host name) to IPv4 addresses on LAN either by broadcast messages or WINS server. Is there a similar native system under Linux for resolving local host names to IP addresses? Or is traditionally DNS used for resolving host names within the LAN to IP addresses? |
| 22:23.44 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: well I used qapt package installer, and it installed all the dependencies, actually this is probably my fault, I should've used dpkg, probably the reason why this happened, should've done dpkg -i "package" |
| 22:23.46 | somiaj | oh we have been supporting #ubuntu this whole time. Go get support from your distro. They may not do things the same as debian. |
| 22:24.09 | somiaj | dpkg -i will always mark a package as 'manual' so no autoremove will never get rid of them. use deborphan |
| 22:24.10 | dpkg | installs will always mark a package as 'manual' so no autoremove will never get rid of them. use deborphan into somiaj's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 22:24.49 | somiaj | matt868686: it is dns, but there are various ways to configure it. Have a local dns server with all the names. |
| 22:24.58 | jelly-home | dpkg: be quiet |
| 22:24.58 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 22:25.25 | somiaj | matt868686: if it is a small network, you can put the hostnames in /etc/hosts. You could use samba and login to a windows domain with samba and use netbios names there |
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| 22:26.03 | Alpha-Omega | but yeah, any way to remove all those packages in the pastebin? the awk print 2 basically only output like 3 packages |
| 22:26.21 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: we are done with you. go get help from #ubuntu. We do not support it here. |
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| 22:26.54 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj: well, it's an issue with apt, but ok. |
| 22:27.12 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: this channel is unfortunately for Debian only; when you're using a derivative ask for help in their own channel, or ##linux |
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| 22:27.26 | Alpha-Omega | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 22:27.28 | somiaj | the issue is with the version of apt that ubuntu ships (they do modify their apt) and with how they mark packages as auto/manual. |
| 22:27.44 | matt868686 | somiaj, ok. I thought about /etc/hosts file as well, but fully-dynamic system seems to be better. It's environment with only Linux hosts. I guess local DNS server(BIND) makes sense which is able to service LAN hosts + forward requests to global DNS servers if it's not able to resolve the host? |
| 22:27.47 | somiaj | we cannot assume that their version of apt works the same as the one from debian. |
| 22:28.09 | somiaj | matt868686: I think there is a more local option than bind, but I have never ran across or used one. |
| 22:28.11 | squisher | matt868686, unbound is a nice little dns forwarder |
| 22:28.39 | matt868686 | somiaj, squisher: ok, thanks! |
| 22:28.49 | gnarface | matt868686: dnsmasq is easy, and reads your hosts file |
| 22:28.58 | gnarface | matt868686: can also provide dhcp as a nice bonus |
| 22:28.58 | mmnicolas | matt868686: avahi |
| 22:29.01 | squisher | actually, resolver, but it can be configured to forward and resolve (small) local zones |
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| 22:30.26 | mmnicolas | matt868686: avahi the similar and compatible with Bonjour and Zeroconf |
| 22:30.29 | mmnicolas | *is |
| 22:31.00 | voldial | Is there a script that spits out all standard system info like df -h, the list of installed packages, running processes, mem info? Obviously I can && one together, but I am betting that there is some builtin comment? |
| 22:31.11 | gnarface | avahi breaks shit. what a pice of shit |
| 22:31.11 | voldial | comment->command |
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| 22:31.28 | gnarface | and by the way FUCK bonjour compatibility. that was a dumb idea. |
| 22:31.36 | gnarface | that's like having AIDS compatibility |
| 22:31.38 | gnarface | bad feature |
| 22:31.48 | mmnicolas | gnarface: really ? been using it for year, totally appreciate it |
| 22:31.59 | matt868686 | mmnicolas, ok, I'll check this |
| 22:32.03 | matt868686 | gnarface, :D |
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| 22:32.27 | mmnicolas | *years |
| 22:32.46 | jhutchins_wk | voldial: Are you looking for somethng like redhat's sosreport? |
| 22:32.53 | gnarface | doesn't like his network to try to reconfigure itself just because he unplugged an ethernet cable |
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| 22:33.20 | gnarface | especially when it always FAILS at it |
| 22:33.43 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Yeah, that stuff gets people into situations where something has gone wrong and they have no idea even what to look at, because it was all done automatically without any knowledge on their part. |
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| 22:33.49 | mmnicolas | gnarface: maybe you gave avahi more responsability than I do, it just does mdns for me and does it well |
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| 22:34.38 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i don't give it any responsibility on purpose. just like pulse audio its one of those annoying packages i seem to have to keep uninstalling though |
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| 22:34.39 | voldial | jhutchins_wk, yes! (new to me... googleing around... I dont see that for deb yet) |
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| 22:35.06 | mmnicolas | gnarface: we're talking about debian stable right ? |
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| 22:35.59 | gnarface | mmnicolas: we're talking about sarge, etch, lenny, squeeze and sid. i can't confirm wheezy |
| 22:36.26 | sney | audio in general is one of those things that tends to work just fine, and need no intervention, but when it doesn't work, oh man |
| 22:36.36 | sney | that applies to configurations with or without pulseaudio, firmware, etc |
| 22:37.23 | gnarface | mmnicolas: and obviously the pre-squeeze ones ... well maybe it didn't exist in sarge yet. its basic behavior when working "properly" is what i find undesirable, but part of this is because it conflicts with static network configurations |
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| 22:37.46 | jhutchins_wk | voldial: That's a RH specific script, haven't seen it adapted. |
| 22:38.11 | jhutchins_wk | voldial: I have seen things like "Popularity Report" that try to gather statistics at install time. |
| 22:38.14 | mmnicolas | gnarface: I thought I wasnt having the problems you had because I was using mainly static interfaces, but really, smooth sailing for me |
| 22:38.37 | gnarface | mmnicolas: hmm. anything on your network multi-homed? |
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| 22:39.15 | abrotman | avahi isn't that bad, it used to be awful |
| 22:39.17 | mmnicolas | a have a bridge configured on my server with multiple LXC containers if that count |
| 22:39.24 | abrotman | like .. 3 releases ago |
| 22:39.30 | voldial | jhutchins_wk, cool. I'll look into the popreport. thanks! |
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| 22:43.29 | Proximus | HOW CAN I EXPRESS MY LOVE TO YOU GUYS? |
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| 22:44.36 | mmnicolas | Proximus: join #debian-offtopic, that's where we do it |
| 22:44.49 | Proximus | ups, sorry |
| 22:44.50 | peterrooney | Proximus: hang in channel and help people when you can |
| 22:45.00 | Proximus | I will :-) |
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| 22:49.04 | kristian-aalborg | why do most pdf files look horrible? |
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| 22:49.14 | kristian-aalborg | in evince, on Squeeze |
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| 22:49.44 | tharkun | kristian-aalborg: hmmm, mostly dependent on the file itself. Hard to tell without a copy of the problem files |
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| 22:50.06 | kristian-aalborg | Document Viewer 2.30.3 << evince version |
| 22:50.16 | kristian-aalborg | tharkun, they look much better in xpdf |
| 22:50.59 | Proximus | What does it mean when terminal says that my user is not in sudoers file? |
| 22:51.36 | tharkun | Proximus: exactly that. And since your user is not there you can't use sudo to perform root actions |
| 22:51.59 | jelly-home | Proximus: it means you have no configured sudo to allow you to run that command as root when running sudo as that user |
| 22:52.03 | jelly-home | have not* |
| 22:52.14 | Proximus | How to do that? |
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| 22:52.36 | tharkun | kristian-aalborg: There are some differences among the two? yes, that is the nicety off freesoftware. You get to pick your own venom |
| 22:52.39 | Proximus | how to configure sudo to allow me run whatever I want |
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| 22:53.40 | kristian-aalborg | I hate to be "that guy" but both look good on the fork that shall remain unnamed |
| 22:53.42 | tharkun | Proximus: man sudo should get you started. (Take a look at /etc/sudoers) |
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| 22:57.50 | jhutchins_wk | kristian-aalborg: It's the files. Some look good in one, some in another. Last I looked adobe had linux versions. |
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| 23:09.16 | Enmity | I have just done a fresh base only netinst of debian 6.0.6 and updated to wheezy. What is the easiest way to reconfigure the base software packages to get a standard desktop install now? |
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| 23:13.58 | gnarface | Enmity: you might be able to run tasksel |
| 23:14.15 | gnarface | Enmity: most people just install the window manager they want specifically though |
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| 23:15.06 | Enmity | I did an apt-get install enlightenment gnome, I have x running but the integration is not there |
| 23:15.45 | gnarface | Enmity: well, try tasksel then. |
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| 23:17.18 | Enmity | am doing =) but am talking about the little things like user being able to shutdown and the whole kit and kaboodle. I know I could figure out how to individually configure these but was wondering how to just set to default. Thanks gnarface |
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| 23:19.29 | Enmity | my thinkpad W500 has 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller that used to work fine for wireless but am now having issues getting it to work. Googling has found that it is pretty much unsupported in debian |
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| 23:19.49 | abrotman | !rtl8191sevb |
| 23:19.52 | mmnicolas | Proximus: the default setup is to allow everything to every member of the sudo group |
| 23:19.56 | abrotman | !rtl8191se |
| 23:19.57 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 23:20.08 | abrotman | Enmity: usb or pci ? |
| 23:20.30 | Enmity | pci |
| 23:20.46 | Enmity | its in a laptop *shrug* |
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| 23:21.32 | abrotman | Enmity: lspci -nn .. what's the PCIID from the end of th eline? |
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| 23:21.57 | Enmity | abrotm[10ec:8172] (rev 10) |
| 23:21.59 | Enmity | an: |
| 23:22.11 | abrotman | i see |
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| 23:22.49 | abrotman | Enmity: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#rtl8192se |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | Enmity: which version of Debian ? |
| 23:23.10 | Enmity | wheezy |
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| 23:23.59 | abrotman | page implies it's supported |
| 23:24.00 | butterball | Is there a w32codec in debian for wmv files? |
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| 23:24.18 | abrotman | butterball: the DMM repos have it .. but you generally don't need them anymore |
| 23:25.16 | Enmity | I have done apt-cache search for rtl8192sefw.bin but no luck, how do I install the firmware? |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | !tell Enmity about apt-file |
| 23:25.31 | butterball | I just tried to use vlc and it has sound but no video. |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | !tell Enmity about non-free |
| 23:25.37 | Enmity | !realtek firmware |
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| 23:26.29 | Enmity | hmm, am not liking the default empathy irc client, am not getting pm |
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| 23:26.58 | abrotman | you have to give it a term it knows |
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| 23:27.30 | abrotman | Enmity: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, add non-free to your main source line, run `aptitude update;aptitude install firmware-realtek' |
| 23:28.09 | kristian-aalborg | I caved in and got the adobe reader |
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| 23:29.07 | Enmity | abrotman: done, thanks - going to reboot to new kernel image and be back with xchat or something nicer |
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| 23:29.54 | abrotman | he hopes ? |
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| 23:38.17 | kristian-aalborg | why can't I make xdm pretty? |
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| 23:38.52 | kristian-aalborg | http://kemovitra.blogspot.dk/2012/10/setting-up-xdm-on-debianubuntu-linux.html << did everything here but I can't see any change |
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| 23:39.26 | daemonkeeper | The actual question is: Why are you using xdm at all, if you aim to have an eye-candy display manager? |
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| 23:40.40 | kristian-aalborg | daemonkeeper, because it's so light? |
| 23:40.45 | Enmity | abrotman, Thanks muchly for your help, I now has wifi's |
| 23:41.01 | kristian-aalborg | SLIM is not my thing |
| 23:41.25 | daemonkeeper | kristian-aalborg: There is lxdm as well but less 1982. |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | Enmity: yay! |
| 23:41.43 | kristian-aalborg | 1982 was a good year |
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| 23:42.19 | daemonkeeper | kristian-aalborg: Of course, but not when talking about state of the art of computer technologies :) |
| 23:42.31 | kristian-aalborg | I'm on Lubuntu on another box, so something other than lxdm would be cool |
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| 23:44.32 | kristian-aalborg | plus, lxdm is not in my repos...? |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | lxde is |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | !tell kristian-aalborg about dm |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | xdm isn't meant to be pretty .. try gdm3 or slim or something like that |
| 23:45.51 | kristian-aalborg | abrotman, I know |
| 23:46.14 | kristian-aalborg | lxde is the entire desktop? seems like overkill for a DM |
| 23:46.27 | gnarface | e17's dm is pretty |
| 23:46.31 | abrotman | kristian-aalborg: slim is pretty light |
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| 23:46.38 | abrotman | gnarface: is e17 in Debian yet? |
| 23:46.38 | nkuttler | hush, my xdm is pretty! |
| 23:46.51 | gnarface | abrotman: there's a kinda old version in sid... |
| 23:46.56 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 23:47.32 | kristian-aalborg | abrotman, slim is light but not developed? |
| 23:47.37 | gnarface | abrotman: only using it because twinview-related glitches were getting bad in e16 |
| 23:47.38 | kristian-aalborg | nkuttler, do tell |
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| 23:48.33 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: read through /etc/X11/xdm |
| 23:49.05 | kristian-aalborg | nkuttler, already looked it over... and followed the tutorial I linked to |
| 23:49.48 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: i also run a script to set a background that's preserved after login and such |
| 23:50.22 | abrotman | kristian-aalborg: pdm is also small/light |
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| 23:55.04 | kristian-aalborg | abrotman, yes but it's not in repos anymore? |
| 23:55.23 | butterball | Installed libavcodec-extra-53 per http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs and Still no video for wmv files. I took this video of my kids with a windows phone I had several years ago. Used VLC Should I try another player? |
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| 23:58.25 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.12 | kristian-aalborg | ah, not really important... |
| 23:59.22 | kristian-aalborg | I'm out, thanks for the help everyone |