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| 00:00.54 | n2diy | streuner, I may have a hybrid install here, I installed from the live standard CD, then manually installed XFCE4, and then I ran tasksel, and installed the desktop from there. X is booting into an XFCE4 session. |
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| 00:10.54 | n2diy | xterm has a class called toolbar, which defaults to true, but apparently not in my case. Now, how do I change that? |
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| 00:12.59 | LtL | n2diy: there's xtermcontrol and xtermset packages available, might be of help |
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| 00:13.37 | Agiofws | Your message here |
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| 00:16.49 | n2diy | LtL, roger that thanks. Interesting things happen when you hover over xterm, hold the control key down, and click with your mouse, don't see a menu option, though I did get a larger font. |
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| 00:26.30 | AzMoo | Hey, I've just done an installation of Debian 6.06 and am having some odd issues with tab completion in bash. If I do: "useradd -m -k /et<tab>", then it won't complete, however if I load a new bash shell (by typing "bash<enter>") then do the same thing it completes. What's up with that? |
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| 00:29.55 | petemc | AzMoo: one shell is using bash_completion, the other isnt? |
| 00:29.55 | themill | AzMoo: what is the shell for that user? (sh or bash?) |
| 00:30.01 | AzMoo | They' |
| 00:30.07 | AzMoo | They're both bash shells. |
| 00:31.06 | AzMoo | petemc: I uncommented the lines in /etc/bash.bashrc but it was doing the same before that. |
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| 00:31.22 | AzMoo | petemc: so neither of them should've been using it, right? |
| 00:31.23 | n2diy | etc/x11/app-defaults/xterm looks promising, but my install is so bare bones, I don't have a simple text editor to look at it with! |
| 00:31.56 | AzMoo | n2diy: cat |
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| 00:32.32 | themill | AzMoo: actually, it could well be the completion for the "useradd" command is broken. |
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| 00:33.20 | AzMoo | themill: Yeah, but then why would it work in the shell I've explicitly loaded? |
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| 00:33.39 | themill | AzMoo: what does "explicitly loaded" mean? |
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| 00:33.52 | AzMoo | themill: # bash<enter> |
| 00:34.46 | phogg | AzMoo: bash -l<enter>, then try it again |
| 00:34.49 | themill | your start-up scripts for bash will in one case have loaded bash_completion (because it's a login shell) and in another case not. |
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| 00:35.10 | phogg | yeah, what he said |
| 00:35.12 | themill | (and looking at _adduser, the completion for -k is incorrect. it should be doing it for -K instead) |
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| 00:35.52 | themill | err, _useradd not _adduser. pita. |
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| 00:37.58 | AzMoo | I can't get it to work at all now. Hah. No matter, don't have time to look at it right now. Thanks guys, I'll look more into it later with a fresh install. |
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| 00:40.50 | Sebboh | libtiff5-alt-dev was apparently invented as a workaround for situations where a system might need libtiff5-dev and libtiff4-dev at the same time. Great! But packages don't depend on libtiff5-alt-dev.. They depend on libtiff-dev. So, I messed with equivs... But, I must have done it wrong: dpkg: regarding libtiff-fortyfive_1.0_all.deb containing libtiff-fortyfive: libtiff5-alt-dev conflicts with libtiff5-dev; libtiff-fortyfive |
| 00:40.51 | Sebboh | provides libtiff5-dev and is to be installed. |
| 00:40.51 | Sebboh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.17 | Sebboh | s/libtiff-dev/libtiff5-dev/ |
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| 00:46.05 | themill | AzMoo: btw just use --skel instead of -k and it should work |
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| 00:50.00 | AzMoo | themill: Good to know, thanks :) |
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| 01:37.38 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/235072 |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | is there context? |
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| 01:44.47 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/235074 |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | Agiofws: so what about it? |
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| 01:45.37 | themill | Agiofws: try asking a question. |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | Agiofws: nice picture you have there |
| 01:46.09 | Agiofws | sorry guys |
| 01:46.26 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:50.09 | abrotman | Agiofws: i'm done clicking .. ask or don't |
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| 01:50.59 | Agiofws | heh ok |
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| 01:53.55 | Stereo | hi everyone |
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| 01:54.46 | Stereo | aren't backports supposed to get security updates? I see roundcube has received updates in testing in august, but the backports haven't received them |
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| 01:56.37 | abrotman | Stereo: no |
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| 01:58.07 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: they tend to get security updates as people notice that they need them |
| 01:58.23 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: but sometimes it's really difficult to backport, because of new requirements |
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| 01:59.50 | themill | wonders if packages shouldn't be backported at all if they are not going to be supported |
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| 02:03.14 | dondelelcaro | themill: probably not |
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| 02:04.32 | themill | the lack of care in security support for backports has become an increasingly noticeable issue. sadly lack of security support for wheezy is also a problem at the moment. We clearly don't have enough people who have the time and energy to do this work. |
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| 02:08.36 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 02:09.13 | dondelelcaro | I suppose getting backport support integrated into the BTS will help things somewhat |
| 02:09.25 | dondelelcaro | since you'll be able to tell if there are outstanding RC and security bugs fairly easily then |
| 02:10.53 | somiaj | I thought security was picking up backports anyways so backports should now be getting security fixes from s.d.o |
| 02:11.11 | dondelelcaro | not to my knowledge |
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| 02:11.13 | somiaj | (or was that just planned for wheezy) |
| 02:11.39 | dondelelcaro | s.d.o may indicate when a backported version is buggy, but the security team isn't currently responsible for backports, AFAICT. |
| 02:11.44 | somiaj | I know they have it set up so apt will install upgrades/security fixes to backported packges while at the same time not upgrading all the packages to backports. |
| 02:12.30 | themill | somiaj: that's just "install updated versions from backports" nothing particular to security. (and that's also the default configuration if you enable backports) |
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| 02:12.40 | somiaj | so I was under the impression they were in the process of adding secuirty support with that. |
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| 06:39.24 | themill | what does "connect to server" actually do in nautilus? |
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| 06:41.05 | yigal | themill: about 5 years ago it wouldn't do anything |
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| 06:41.24 | themill | I feel greatly enlightened now. |
| 06:42.00 | yigal | themill: it allows one to connect to a remote server for sharing files via a number of different protocols. What are you attempting to use it for? |
| 06:42.08 | themill | is not |
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| 06:46.25 | TeknoJuce | session optional pam_umask.so umask=022 is what i set |
| 06:47.04 | TeknoJuce | i was using "connect to server" ssh |
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| 06:52.35 | cybes | hi all |
| 06:52.50 | TeknoJuce | do I need to set session optional pam_umask.so umask=02 on both the client and the server or only the server? |
| 06:52.59 | cybes | i forgot the command to authenticate nick.. |
| 06:53.03 | TeknoJuce | *022 |
| 06:53.23 | TeknoJuce | look in the server window cybes |
| 06:53.46 | cybes | i'm using chatzilla client TeknoJuce |
| 06:54.07 | yigal | cybes: you need to try and identify it |
| 06:54.18 | TeknoJuce | use /msg nickserv help |
| 06:54.49 | cybes | ty TeknoJuce.. |
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| 06:57.37 | cybes | i think i've registered my nick earlier here..now nickserv showing not registerd |
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| 07:00.54 | cybes | will the nick expires after sometime when not using..? sorry that i'm sort of newbie in irc |
| 07:01.31 | themill | cybes: you might do better asking in #freenode |
| 07:01.46 | cybes | oh sorry |
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| 07:10.07 | crocket | I can't turn off allow_url_fopen in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 07:10.13 | crocket | Why can't I turn it off? |
| 07:10.19 | crocket | I restarted apache httpd many times. |
| 07:10.25 | somiaj | crocket: have you restarted apache after you modified that file? |
| 07:10.36 | somiaj | oh I'm slow. (: |
| 07:11.18 | themill | crocket: how are you testing that it is disabled? |
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| 07:12.29 | crocket | themill : phpinfo |
| 07:12.38 | themill | how are you running that? |
| 07:12.42 | crocket | allow_url_fopenOnOn |
| 07:12.50 | crocket | themill, http://192.168.0.10/tiki/tiki-phpinfo.php |
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| 07:14.01 | themill | crocket: is that file listed in the .ini files parsed? |
| 07:14.03 | gnarface | crocket: fyi its common for shitty 3rd party php software to override the system php.ini dynamically on page load (especially stuff based on zend) |
| 07:14.35 | themill | and yeah, check all the other ini files that it lists |
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| 07:15.03 | crocket | themill, ??? |
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| 07:15.16 | crocket | themill, is that file listed in the .ini files parsed? |
| 07:15.21 | crocket | I dno't get it |
| 07:15.33 | themill | «Additional .ini files parsed» |
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| 07:16.42 | crocket | themill, How do I obtain the list? |
| 07:16.45 | gnarface | its probably worth mentioning that though its ill-advised generally, i've seen stuff require url fopen because dumb php developers can't understand curl |
| 07:16.47 | crocket | It's apache httpd. |
| 07:16.55 | themill | you've got the phpinfo output in front of you |
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| 07:19.54 | crocket | I found the error |
| 07:19.56 | crocket | the bug |
| 07:20.14 | crocket | themill, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini had allow_url_fopen = On. |
| 07:20.20 | crocket | It overrode my setting. |
| 07:21.07 | themill | umm.... that's the file you were editing |
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| 08:25.30 | cornihilio | I'm getting this error: * Missing C library: pcre but I don't know what package to install, and when I searched all the packages online nothing stood out to me |
| 08:26.25 | XSlicer | Is this for perl? You might need libpcre3 |
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| 08:28.41 | cornihilio | no, it's for a haskell package |
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| 08:30.17 | superlinux-hp | hi. i want to know how to look for a file on a domain using httrack? |
| 08:31.42 | cihhan | Hi all! Can I learn the amount of disk operations (in MB/GB) of the instances from xentop? It gives information about the requests and the sectors, but I couldn't find how I can learn the total amount of data. |
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| 08:34.03 | superlinux-hp | i can do this but i cannot save the links processed: httrack website.com -p0 |
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| 08:38.30 | gnarface | cihhan: try iotop |
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| 08:38.39 | gnarface | cihhan: actually iotop -a (as root) |
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| 08:51.26 | JyZyXEL | would these rules work if i only had one of the cards hooked up at any given time: |
| 08:51.28 | JyZyXEL | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="06:22:df:65:c0:00", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
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| 09:01.06 | homes | what kind of range of time commitment [say, avg h/wk], would a dd make? |
| 09:01.34 | gnarface | homes: that sentence doesn't parse. try again |
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| 09:02.16 | homes | you're right, avg and range is a bit contradictory |
| 09:02.26 | gnarface | oh you don't mean dd you mean debian developer |
| 09:02.35 | homes | aye :) |
| 09:02.42 | gnarface | sorry i thought you had a support question |
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| 09:03.10 | gnarface | there is a mentors channel maybe you should ask in there |
| 09:04.41 | homes | good idea |
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| 09:12.33 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:12.47 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/235094 |
| 09:12.48 | Agiofws | hey can you guys see this ^^ |
| 09:12.49 | Agiofws | ? |
| 09:13.16 | homes | what is it |
| 09:14.34 | Agiofws | nothing just testing my automated key" script that uploads screenies to imagebin and outputs them to xchats current active channel ... |
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| 09:50.36 | jelly | cornihilio: which command are you running that reports said message? |
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| 09:51.11 | cornihilio | jelly: I solved it; I was trying to install a haskell package with cabal |
| 09:51.20 | cornihilio | but thank you! |
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| 09:58.02 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:58.41 | Agiofws | does a ccpd (capt driver) daemon exist for debian ? does it exist in the package manager ? |
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| 09:59.30 | gnarface | Agiofws: what's that? |
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| 10:00.04 | Agiofws | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190 or di i have to download it from that site |
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| 10:00.22 | martxelo | hi |
| 10:01.55 | jelly | Agiofws: software for Canon printers is closed source thus cannot be distributed in Debian |
| 10:02.09 | Agiofws | ok thank you |
| 10:02.12 | gnarface | jelly: could be in non-free no? |
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| 10:02.24 | gnarface | not that i'm seeing it there.... |
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| 10:02.48 | gnarface | i really need to find a good scanner |
| 10:02.53 | jelly | yeah but "non-free is not part of Debian" |
| 10:03.55 | gnarface | Agiofws: jelly is mad today keep in mind his advice will be highly cynical and possibly inaccurate. i'd recommend making sure you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list and do some searches like "apt-cache search canon" and such |
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| 10:04.40 | gnarface | Agiofws: don't install the ubuntu package unless its a last resort (and in that case i recommend doing a full backup first as you'll probably permanently hose your install but not realize it until like next year sometime when you try to upgrade to wheezy) |
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| 10:05.44 | Agiofws | gnarface, ... i have downloaded those drivers from canons site but let me see if they already are in the repo |
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| 10:06.21 | gnarface | Agiofws: canon provides these drivers willingly? that is news to me. |
| 10:06.28 | gnarface | might have to re-evaluate his opinion on canon |
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| 10:07.38 | gnarface | Agiofws: oh and obviously don't assume the package name will be the same. if you apt-cache search [pattern] though, [pattern] can be a regexp (merely grep style, not full PCRE, i don't think) that searches through not only package names but headers and descriptions and such |
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| 10:08.22 | gnarface | somehow i would assume though that if you had contrib and non-free enabled that cups would recommend all the extraneous driver packages.... |
| 10:09.23 | EmleyMoor | nnnn |
| 10:09.28 | tryy3|Coding | how can i install python 2.7 on squeeze? when i did apt-get install python i got 2.6.6 |
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| 10:11.10 | EmleyMoor | I have some Canon printer and scanner drivers (packaged for Debian) installed, so I can use my mother-in-law's printer/scanner. Odd that the scanner is an add-on to gimp, not a SANE driver but stil.. |
| 10:11.23 | Agiofws | gnarface, are these sources ok can you take a look |
| 10:11.24 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/N0JsvlxI |
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| 10:12.21 | martxelo | I accidentally removed /usr/share/X11, is there an easy fix? |
| 10:13.06 | Agiofws | i can send you mine or you can look up into debians trunk or something ? |
| 10:13.11 | gnarface | Agiofws: please use paste.debian.net from now on but yes, those look fine at first glance... i forget if you want to add contrib and non-free to the volatile listings as well or not. my squeeze servers only use main |
| 10:13.49 | Agiofws | do i or don't i thats the question ... |
| 10:14.05 | gnarface | martchukov: dpkg -S /usr/share/X11 then apt-get --reinstall install all of the packages listed |
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| 10:14.13 | VZ2iCarly | hi everyone, I have lenny 5.0.10 i386 running on an hypervisor (vmware workstation 9 on x64 windows 7 ultimate) and when I attempt to install the vmware tools (support utilities to enhance the performance of the VM) it ask for the path to gcc and the kernel headers, are these installed with a default install? if so where are they located in the filesystem? |
| 10:14.18 | martxelo | thanks |
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| 10:14.33 | gnarface | martxelo: sorry about the sloppy tab-completion. |
| 10:14.40 | gnarface | martchukov: ignore me that was for martxelo |
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| 10:15.17 | ed8 | hi, I would like to restart a custom tomcat server (~/server/tomcat-prod/) when the physical server restart. |
| 10:15.33 | ed8 | Should I add it to the runlevel or to the cron task |
| 10:15.43 | gnarface | runlevel |
| 10:15.52 | gnarface | or just rc.local |
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| 10:16.25 | formorer | VZ2iCarly: you should really update to a supported version. but no, they aren't installed by default. you should install build-essential and the kernel headers package matching your kernel |
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| 10:17.16 | ed8 | gnarface: what is the command for that ? |
| 10:19.11 | VZ2iCarly | OK, our ITS dept. refuses to help me in this matter of upgrading to newer release as stated in an internal bulletin "...due to concerns surrounding accessibility for users with disabilities as well as compatability with certain internal applications..." they will NOT support it |
| 10:19.12 | gnarface | ed8: well the command list "apt-get update && apt-get install initscripts && vi /etc/rc.local" will get you most the way there but you'll have to figure the rest out for yourself |
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| 10:19.48 | jimcooncat | I would like to find out what's causing my computer to crash. It overheated, power supply fan crapped out, so I replaced the power supply. I had to reinstall, so I put squeeze on it. Thought it was going fine, two days later it froze on a flash video, now it's freezing during first part of boot with regular and recovery kernel options. If I boot with a CD, can I find where it's hanging up? I'd like to know if it's memory, b |
| 10:19.49 | jimcooncat | ad disk block, or whatever. |
| 10:20.05 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: game over |
| 10:20.22 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: lenny has been deprecated for a long time now |
| 10:20.41 | formorer | VZ2iCarly: who needs security. |
| 10:21.08 | gnarface | really hates it when the only solution is "quit your job" |
| 10:21.14 | gnarface | hates giving people bad news |
| 10:21.58 | VZ2iCarly | **whistles** |
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| 10:22.43 | VZ2iCarly | I do not want to quit my job over an operating system upgrade |
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| 10:24.03 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: you're really in between a rock and a hard place here. your company won't support anything but lenny, and nobody else will support lenny. |
| 10:24.47 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: something has to budge to move this situation into reality. |
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| 10:25.49 | jimcooncat | now I'm getting memory errors, so maybe it's because there's one 256 stick with three 512's? |
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| 10:26.28 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: somehow it appears not to be common knowledge that lenny was deprecated some time ago and for some even more puzzling reason a lot of virtual machines out there are still running lenny and owned by companies who didn't get the memo. maybe by bringing up the issue that lenny was officially end-of-lifed freaking years ago might get them to pull their heads out for some fresh air for a second or two? |
| 10:26.29 | jelly | jimcooncat: how old is it |
| 10:26.54 | jelly | jimcooncat: best to ask these questions in ##hardware, anyway |
| 10:27.01 | jimcooncat | about 5 years I guess, 2 core celeron, crappy dell |
| 10:27.17 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: for whatever its worth the upgrade from a fully current lenny to a fully current squeeze is relatively painless for most users.... |
| 10:27.19 | jimcooncat | jelly, thanks. |
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| 10:28.56 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: lets get a clarification here on your IT dept.'s "will NOT support" statement. does that mean you're flat out not allowed to do it, or does that merely mean that if you do it they wash their hands of you? |
| 10:29.54 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: ... cause quite honestly to me it doesn't sound like their help is a commodity of value worth keeping in the first place .... |
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| 10:30.26 | gnarface | especially if they think its acceptable to take a hard-line stance on a specific version of ANY software EVER |
| 10:30.45 | gnarface | fuck frankly they're all incompetent the company can't have much longer to last if this is who's at the reigns |
| 10:30.54 | gnarface | get the hell out before it collapses on your head |
| 10:30.54 | VZ2iCarly | and from the same bulletin "... the newer versions of the "supported (by ITS) desktops" lack a proper accessibility framework and applications, as such we CANNOT deny access to those employees who have a disability as this would be discrimination." and "... our application vendors for *application name*, *application name*, *application name*, (list goes on for about 20 or so INTERNAL applications), will NOT for ANY REASON offer us |
| 10:31.15 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 10:31.19 | gnarface | what a nightmare |
| 10:31.38 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: i feel your pain but i'm sorry i can't help you. your problem appears to be a political one not a technical one |
| 10:32.05 | jimcooncat | I got a netinstall cd, is there a memtest on it somewhere? would I choose rescue mode? |
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| 10:32.27 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: if there is any real money involved here someone should be having the conversation of whether these 3rd party vendors are worth sticking with... |
| 10:32.55 | gnarface | 3rd party vendors who refuse to update their own software are dealbreakers to me |
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| 10:34.23 | gnarface | frankly its really difficult for me to believe that squeeze is inferior to lenny in any realistic accessiblity meaure. this is a political pissing match that has thrown reality out and used some random single obsolete version of some random old outdated software as their golden calf |
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| 10:35.45 | gnarface | if i wasn't smart enough to see how this mentality is the single one that has perpetuated the cancer *destroying* the ENTIRE WORLD economy i wouldn't be so mad about it |
| 10:35.54 | ed8 | gnarface: I just add my start up script to the rc.local, is it enough ? |
| 10:36.10 | VZ2iCarly | i'll bring that up, however i'm probably going to get something like "Carly, we've been with *vendors* for YEARS! it is MORE COST-EFFECTIVE to NOT have to spend time retraining everyone on how to do their jobs. also, we have a STRICT A4PWD (Accessibility for People With Disabilities) policy." |
| 10:36.27 | gnarface | ed8: assuming have the initscripts package installed already, yes. |
| 10:36.54 | gnarface | ed8: that file will just run like a script as the very last step of booting. that's WAY more elegant than using cron |
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| 10:37.45 | VZ2iCarly | and the reason i've got it in a vm and i'm, even concerned about it is becfause so a can connect ot work systems from remote locations (i.e. a coffee shop, my father's houw when i'm visiting, etc.) |
| 10:39.02 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: i fully support accessibility both in principle and in fact as part of my job commonly. that's part of the reason why this is a touchy point for me; these guys need to get their vendors to walk the walk they talk. lenny is OBSOLETE AND DEPRECATED so the vendors "strict a4pwd" whatever isnt' even worth the paper they wiped their asses with writing it |
| 10:39.16 | imolit | lol debian is so old and outdated |
| 10:39.17 | ed8 | gnarface: thanks |
| 10:39.25 | gnarface | ed8: no problem |
| 10:39.50 | simonlnu | imolit: hush child |
| 10:40.03 | martxelo | gnarface It seems that what you said worked. I did the same with /etc/X11, but I'm still missing /etc/X11/Xsession so kdm starts but I can't start a kde session with my user |
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| 10:40.28 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: hmm. server-side virtualization to quarantine the *client's* connection? that sounds like another principally bad idea right there. don't you have a VPN? |
| 10:40.29 | DarkKnightCZ | is there a way, how to install glibc 2.15, since is not even in sid? |
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| 10:42.18 | simonlnu | debootstrap ubuntu's latest if you want that |
| 10:42.27 | simonlnu | shakes his head |
| 10:42.31 | gnarface | martxelo: hmm. some files don't show up in dpkg -S because they don't actually exist in the package itself; they're auto-generated by a post-install script based on local system settings. theoretically the same advice of the forced reinstall will work if you find whichever package creates that file... i'm sorry i don't know off the top of my head which or a really good way to find out. maybe that offer someone else made to send |
| 10:42.32 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.25 | gnarface | martxelo: normally i'd ask something like "WTF did you do!?" but i'm too emotionally drained right now... |
| 10:43.30 | martxelo | kdm.log says that it can't find dbus session-bus |
| 10:43.38 | gnarface | hmm. |
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| 10:44.06 | gnarface | martxelo: ok now i'll ask. wtf did you do?! |
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| 10:44.37 | gnarface | martxelo: you got dbus installed, right? |
| 10:44.39 | martxelo | I wanted gl acceleration |
| 10:44.44 | martxelo | so I did X -configure |
| 10:44.58 | martxelo | and that created a xorg.new.conf file |
| 10:45.15 | gnarface | that's expected |
| 10:45.22 | martxelo | I then read that now is better to configure xorg in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 10:45.32 | martxelo | so I removed xorg.new.conf |
| 10:45.34 | VZ2iCarly | no vpn, they say "it's a security brisk, we're NOT going to allow CONFIDENCIAL custromer data to get leaked" in responce to me need to work remoterly, they gave me copies of the programs and said " here, load lenny into a VMWare container, set it up how you want, install these programs, and launch them, at the logon prompt, just put in your *cridencials* and then go to the button that says "options", then go to server>connection th |
| 10:45.37 | imolit | simonlnu: im using ubuntu, by my colleague isnt. he runs into issues all the time because his version of iceweasel is so old. he even resorts to using IE in windows in order to perform tasks on some web pages |
| 10:45.38 | martxelo | and restarted my x |
| 10:45.47 | martxelo | and there was no keyboard, no trackpoint, no mouse |
| 10:45.53 | formorer | if you hear configure and /usr you always know you did something wrong |
| 10:46.13 | martxelo | so I thought I might delete aswell /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 10:46.21 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: hey where do you work so i make sure after you rage quit that i ignore any contracts sent my way from them? |
| 10:46.23 | martxelo | and instead deleted /etc/X11 |
| 10:46.34 | jimcooncat | I pulled the suspected memory chip, a 256 among 3 512's, that was closest to the power supply. But I'm still getting errors. What can I do to narrow it down to one SIMM? |
| 10:46.50 | martxelo | and then I deleted /usr/share/x11 too instead of deleting /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 10:47.00 | martxelo | that's what happened |
| 10:47.01 | jimcooncat | oh, sorry, I thought I'd joined #hardware |
| 10:47.07 | jelly | martxelo: how do you feel about a reinstallation |
| 10:47.12 | formorer | and whenever you want to delete something and your path starts with /usr you did the second thing wrong |
| 10:47.20 | martxelo | and yes, dbus is running |
| 10:47.30 | simonlnu | imolit: they were talking about lenny, which by definition is obsolete, unsupported... |
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| 10:47.53 | VZ2iCarly | lol, I work for a small company that acts as the ITS team for friends, family and others who cannot afford to hire their own ITS team. |
| 10:48.23 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: a "windows" house? |
| 10:48.32 | imolit | simonlnu: i would say that even wheesy is obsolete already |
| 10:48.42 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 10:49.07 | simonlnu | sns much? |
| 10:49.08 | gnarface | imolit: you're not helping, and the wine development track doesn't represent reality. |
| 10:49.08 | jelly | cheesy? |
| 10:49.37 | jimcooncat | Booted into squeeze, is there a memory test in there? |
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| 10:50.06 | jelly | jimcooncat: install memtest86+ and boot into that |
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| 10:50.13 | simonlnu | jelly: cheesy |
| 10:50.42 | joeytwiddle | the progress indicator on aptitude update tells lies |
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| 10:51.02 | martxelo | jelly I did dpkg -S to /usr/share/X11 and dpkg -S /etc/X11 and reinstalled |
| 10:51.04 | jimcooncat | jelly, installing the package gives me an option in grub? |
| 10:51.06 | apg | hello |
| 10:51.11 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: if these accesibility prog. vendors still want to stay in business they need to get on squeeze fast, cause wheezy will probably be out next year and by then they probably won't have a market left to sell to |
| 10:51.23 | TTT | hi, I know I can create a filesystem in a file and mount it via loopback device. what if that file is on samba windows share? how bad will performance and reliability be? |
| 10:51.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell martxelo about confmiss |
| 10:51.51 | apg | Guys, anyone tried debian 6.0.6 on sandy bridge processor? |
| 10:51.57 | jelly | apg: yes. |
| 10:52.02 | VZ2iCarly | they chose debian because, 1)it's linux... how can you go wrong with linux? 2) it's FREE! 3) it's open, 4) it's secure as hell, 5) there's a shitload of pre-built/pre-bundled software on THE INSTALLATION MEDIA, and 6) it's GUIs (or should i say "the ones supported by ITS) "look cool" |
| 10:52.13 | gnarface | TTT: i don't think you actually *can* with samba. i don't even think NFS can do that with default settings... |
| 10:52.23 | notinlist | Hello! I have a strange problem on Unubtu 12.0.4. I know that this is not a forum for that, but I think it's just debian specific. dpkg -l vlc-nox says that the packages is desired to be installed, but not installed. It is selected for install in dselect, but dselect/install does not install it. The "I" column is "space". |
| 10:52.37 | imolit | i'm sorry if you guys got your panties in a bunch about debian being old, but the reality is that it is, and it's not even much more stable than other, more updated distros are. |
| 10:52.43 | jelly | VZ2iCarly: 6) doesn't make sense, and 4) is correct as long as you're using the supported, up to date version |
| 10:53.37 | martxelo | thanks jelly, I'll gonna try that |
| 10:54.04 | jelly | imolit: yeah it's old. There are workaround to get specific pieces of software more up to date while keeping the rest of the system intact. |
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| 10:54.13 | apg | jelly did you encounter any problem? |
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| 10:54.19 | DarkKnightCZ | simonlnu: libc-dev is throwing sigpipe (getent.1.gz is also in manpages) |
| 10:54.25 | DarkKnightCZ | any ideas? |
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| 10:54.28 | TTT | gnarface, mount smbsf share somewhere, create image on that share, mount that image. I'll try that |
| 10:55.02 | jelly | apg: needs kernel and xorg packages from backports.debian.org to make X work correctly |
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| 10:55.16 | simonlnu | DarkKnightCZ: why are you trying to get 2.15? |
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| 10:55.45 | gnarface | imolit: once again you're confusing wine with reality. "stable" in debian isn't a term defined as a gauge of how often your system crashes while running wine, overclocked. "stable" in debian is a term defining whether or not the API's of any software will be allowed to be updated to incompatible behavior. |
| 10:55.50 | simonlnu | imolit: my panties are none of your business |
| 10:56.32 | jelly | DarkKnightCZ: don't fuck with glibc, it's an essential OS component. If you have apps built for a different distro that uses a newer glibc, then set up a VM or debootstrap a chroot with that distro and that release. |
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| 10:56.46 | simonlnu | notinlist: #ubuntu >>> that way |
| 10:56.56 | notinlist | simonlnu: Thx |
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| 10:57.02 | DarkKnightCZ | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 10:57.09 | VZ2iCarly | jelly, point 4 is true for ANY OS "... as long as you keep it up-to-date..." however this is NOT possible due to ITS's policies regarding the software tools we use to provide our customers with the highest level of support possible, and the accessibility policy... I personally think that their just afraid of getting sued because it did not meet any one user's particular needs when dealing with disability-specific cases |
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| 10:57.36 | dokma|2 | how do I install package maintainers config files for php5 after the package has been installed and old config files kept? |
| 10:57.37 | jelly | VZ2iCarly: I don't see how this is a Debian issue, sorry |
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| 10:58.36 | martxelo | jelly that worked, thanks a lot |
| 10:58.37 | jelly | dokma: the simplest thing to do it purge all the related packages and install them again |
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| 10:58.46 | martxelo | you saved my work day |
| 10:58.47 | formorer | jelly: na. |
| 10:58.56 | dokma | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 10:58.58 | formorer | dpkg -i --force-confmiss *.deb |
| 10:58.59 | dpkg | package --force-confmiss *.deb is already installed |
| 10:59.05 | jelly | formorer: they're not missing |
| 10:59.22 | formorer | confnew |
| 10:59.39 | imolit | gnarface: im not talking about running crappy windows software in wine, overclocked. im talking about running debian as your OS and the old old old software it subjects you to |
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| 10:59.57 | jelly | ah |
| 11:00.05 | jelly | formorer: that's more like it, thanks |
| 11:00.11 | simonlnu | imolit: go troll elsewhere, kthxbye |
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| 11:00.31 | VZ2iCarly | i just need to know, how to get the gcc and the kernel headers for the 2.(I forget the subversions) installed, where they are in the tree (once installed). the install procedures MUST take place through the aptitude command (as per ITS instructions) |
| 11:00.48 | formorer | VZ2iCarly: I already said that |
| 11:00.54 | jelly | VZ2iCarly: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
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| 11:01.08 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: they need to work with their 3rd party vendors to make them aware of lenny being obsolete and take the necessary steps to keep it up to date for squeeze and going forward. this is critical to THEIR survival as companies as well as the survival of the company employing you. this is NOT a debian support issue but i can guarantee that in the ensuing arguments you will hear that as an attempted scapegoat. |
| 11:01.10 | onborad | Did any body knows how to reduce the OS power consumption ? |
| 11:01.10 | VZ2iCarly | ok let me try that |
| 11:01.32 | neglesaks | OS doesnt consume power. the hardware does. |
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| 11:01.47 | jelly | slaps neglesaks |
| 11:01.52 | gnarface | well... that's not always the case |
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| 11:02.23 | onborad | So how can I reduce the hardware power by OS layer |
| 11:02.49 | gnarface | onborad: disable wifi and bluetooth |
| 11:02.54 | Trewas | onborad: powertop can tell what programs etc are waking up CPU often |
| 11:02.58 | gnarface | onborad: and turn your screen brighteness down to minimum |
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| 11:03.22 | onborad | Yes I did ,but it too small |
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| 11:04.04 | onborad | My PC now consume 35W |
| 11:04.13 | gnarface | hey thats not bad for intel hardware |
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| 11:04.21 | jelly | onborad: it's a complex issue with dozens of little things to configure. powertop tool can help to some point, but reconfiguring or using a different kernel or different software can make more of a difference |
| 11:04.27 | gnarface | i'm running at quarter power and burning like 150w... |
| 11:04.47 | simonlnu | gnarface: have your own coal fired plant? :P |
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| 11:05.01 | ChrisH | neglesaks: not completely true.... get the CPUs to work and you will see the intake power increasing... I have a Power meter connected to my new homeserver and starting to recode Video or audio it increases from 80W to 110W |
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| 11:05.05 | gnarface | simonlnu: hah i wish. where can i get one of those? |
| 11:05.05 | simonlnu | takes it to ot |
| 11:05.38 | onborad | which part is the main factor: such as reduce it to 28w |
| 11:05.55 | neglesaks | well, yes, heavier tasks will increase the load on the cpu and hardware, sure |
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| 11:06.13 | neglesaks | same with 3d gaming, as it works the gfx card a lot |
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| 11:07.01 | ChrisH | most effeictive way is: poweroff and unplug otherwise the Powersupply still consumes up to 10W |
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| 11:07.17 | VZ2iCarly | OK, let's try this... IF I create a new container with squeeze... it must meet the following requirements 1) GUI *absolutely must* be either KDE 3.3 (to KDE 3.5.10) or any version of GNOME, LXDE, or xfce (KDE preferred for use with iCARE, Sparks, and ADM (customer/case mgmt, group chat with audio conferencing and screen sharing (for presentations and the like) (internal communications), and one-to-one IM (internal communications) re |
| 11:07.19 | neglesaks | but under normal work conditions, ie. no heavy software like rendering or transcoding or gaming, and no buggy software that hogs the cpu, its the display that uses the most power in a pc, assuming you use a laptop |
| 11:07.48 | nevyn | or compiling |
| 11:07.52 | onborad | jelly, which part is the main factor: such as reduce it to 28w? |
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| 11:08.39 | onborad | CPU or HD or CDrom drop a lot power ? |
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| 11:10.04 | Shadow` | cpu |
| 11:10.23 | jelly | onborad: there's no main factor! SATA power management might give you 0.5-1W if you're lucky; usb suspend might give you 0.2W more; setting up cpufreq might give some more |
| 11:10.25 | ChrisH | onborad: Do you have a modern Power Supply? I was able to reduce the intake Power for this AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ from 120w to 80W by simply replaceing the Power supply |
| 11:10.35 | neglesaks | onborad, the hd consumes about 10 watts for a 3,5" and 4 watts for a 2,5". |
| 11:10.46 | neglesaks | cdrom hardly uses any when not operating |
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| 11:11.37 | ChrisH | neglesaks: I can confirm the 5-10W per 3.5" HD here, mirrored setup + extra backup disk sums up |
| 11:12.07 | neglesaks | yeah. a green power 3,5" hd of the "green" wave the last few years uses less than 10 watts ofc. |
| 11:12.18 | neglesaks | and newer 2,5" disks uses downt o one watt. |
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| 11:12.39 | VZ2iCarly | so given those requirements as defined by ITS, can it be done for a squeeze installation? and it has to be done OOB (Out-of-Box), in other words, no third-party downloads, ALL components MUSE be contained on vendor-supplied media OR another physical CD/DVD (no flashdrives, or web repos allowed for ANY reason) |
| 11:12.47 | ChrisH | but these 2.5" Disks are more expensive and slower. |
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| 11:13.40 | neglesaks | of course. but if theyre attached to a USB interface, that doesnt matter. |
| 11:13.57 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: yea as long as you go for the "any version" will do you're fine. i forget what version of kde is in squeeze. |
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| 11:14.39 | ChrisH | OK.. Disks attached to USB are the most horrible thing I ever used.... moved to Firewire pretty soon |
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| 11:15.03 | gnarface | usb2.0 works well... |
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| 11:15.52 | VZ2iCarly | i've looked and its 4.x, ITS does not think that 4.x meets their "ease-of-use standards", this is why they say anything 3.3-3.5.10... not anything newer, not anyuthing older, it *must* fall into trhat spectrum |
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| 11:18.02 | omani | how can I see the content of my RAM? |
| 11:18.08 | Nurbs | I have added some fstab entries ( http://pastebin.com/iHuVVVsQ ), but my boot stops because of failed dependencies. I can't see how these lines should make trouble given that /srv/squeeze is available once / is available |
| 11:18.09 | DarkKnightCZ | how do i remove package that was set as installed but cannot be configured? |
| 11:18.11 | ChrisH | gnarface: not on the Linux boxes I tested it... after writing more data then the Kernel can cache in RAM, the load increases like hell. I once tested the same HW (System and external disk) once with a Linux Live Media against a Solaris 10 CD and the behaviour is different. |
| 11:18.24 | Nurbs | Any idea how to fix the fstab? |
| 11:18.51 | jelly | VZ2iCarly: then you can't use kde in Debian 6. xfce might be good enough. |
| 11:18.57 | VZ2iCarly | they *prefer* the 3.3-3.5-x as it "is easier for a new user to get up and running with, and is *much less* resource-consuming, not to metion... it includes the "most common" themes uses by our employees" |
| 11:18.59 | gnarface | ChrisH: i've noticed that even with a usb 2.0 bus many devices still only operate at usb 1.0 speeds. it takes more than just the host end's capacity to get satisfying USB throughput |
| 11:20.08 | gnarface | ChrisH: the load issue is... weird. i've had slow-syncing issues, slow write-back cache issues, but i've never had a problem with load spiking due to that... |
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| 11:21.42 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: well my recommendation then is for you to try it with squeeze but focus on the options where they say "any version" will do. all those other window managers *are* also in squeeze |
| 11:22.16 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: this is a *dire* issue and they need to understand how important it is that the necessary effort be made to get this shit up on squeeze. |
| 11:22.35 | VZ2iCarly | OK, xfce... I'm not too familiar with it, but i can learn... now I think i stated that some applications have it recommended for kde... iCARE, Sparks, and ADM make heavy use of kde's ui |
| 11:23.01 | gnarface | xfce is really far simpler |
| 11:23.13 | gnarface | and for mac users will be more intuitive than kde |
| 11:23.25 | gnarface | kde is just a windows shell clone and we all know it |
| 11:23.41 | VZ2iCarly | "... KDE preferred for use with iCARE, Sparks, and ADM (customer/case mgmt, group chat with audio conferencing and screen sharing (for presentations and the like) (internal communications), and one-to-one IM (internal communications) respectively" |
| 11:23.50 | gnarface | xfce shares a rich UI legacy that goes back decades and predates existing operating system offers |
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| 11:24.38 | VZ2iCarly | hang on, I have one of ITS on the phone and I'll ask her what the spewcifics are |
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| 11:27.48 | VZ2iCarly | OK AS1867 (her badge number...) has said, "we are currently in talks with our vendors of those products that need to be updated for squeeze compatibility, they are well aware that lenny is no longer supported and are working tofind a way to ensure that all functionality is preserved for all users especially those with special needs..." |
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| 11:28.40 | VZ2iCarly | so, we're making progress.... howefer slow it may be |
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| 11:29.03 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: well, in my experience 95% of the logistical concerns are theoretical/imaginary/emotional |
| 11:29.49 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: usually all it takes is for someone with the authority to actually try it themselves so they see that its fine. everyone below them will just pass the buck because they'd rather say its impossible than do the due-dilligence to find out whether or not its possible. |
| 11:31.02 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: but kde and gnome have probably already left port. you need to get on a window manager that's not competitively trying to reinvent itself and change every paradigm every major release |
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| 11:31.21 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 11:31.46 | formorer | icewm |
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| 11:33.05 | VZ2iCarly | now, is there a way for me to do a "all in one shot download" of squeeze? as to say, "one torrent that contains all the DVDs so I just hit download one time and wait for a few hours and vula it's done, I can create a new container and go on my way." In my personal experience, when you "upgrade" rather than do a fresh install of ANY OS, you wind up *breaking* a lot of things, so, i'm just going to play it safe and do a clean insta |
| 11:33.59 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: trust me you don't want to do that. its way too much data. if you're worried about having to do it several times just set up a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng |
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| 11:37.14 | VZ2iCarly | the thing is that.... I need the entire installation media set for offline installs, so god forbid that something goes wrong while i'm on the road and using my mobile broadband, i don't encurr any overages (at home so i can get away with extreme bandwidth consumption). not to mention i can give the dvds to colleagues who are not as lucky as me to have a fast internet connection at home |
| 11:37.23 | babilen | VZ2iCarly: One thing that will prevent you from using Debian at all is that you won't be able to get firmware if you use CDs/DVDs/BDs. You would therefore not be able to use quite a number of components and given that *every* AMD/Intel CPU should be upgraded to the latest microcode (see {intel,amd64}-microcode packages) means that you will essentially run software that doesn't support your hardware at all. |
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| 11:37.56 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: its possible to set up a local repo... but keep in mind you're talking about more than 400GB here just for intel chips... |
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| 11:38.22 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: in the time it takes to download all that you could have done dozens of individual installs |
| 11:38.31 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: and you're only ever gonna use about 4GB of it |
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| 11:39.51 | babilen | VZ2iCarly: That is easy to solve if you are allowed to use *additional* packages, software, repositories or whatev. But I understood your requirement as: Everything has to be on a CD (DVD/BD?) which unfortunately means that you won't get firmware. There are images with firmware, but only for netinstall. In short: That policy doesn't make sense *at all* and there are *much* better ways to deal with it. (e.g. local repositories) Is the plan really ... |
| 11:39.57 | babilen | ... to supply every user with a set of CDs and install all clients manually? (from CD!?) |
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| 11:40.41 | babilen | VZ2iCarly: But I just wanted to mention that point - Not sure how you can deal with it, but I have the impression that your policy is somewhat suboptimal. |
| 11:40.57 | jimcooncat | jelly, had a bad simm, seems to be working fine now, thanks for the help |
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| 11:41.21 | Do5 | hi all, trying to attach philips shb6110 headset to debian squeeze with no success - any help be appreciated |
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| 11:44.03 | Do5 | bluetooth, used blueman, bluez, bluetooth-applet, hcitool. headset is being seen for few seconds then disappears, trying to attach directly by address don't work |
| 11:44.50 | Do5 | bluman can see the headset but pairing fails - something about authentication |
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| 11:45.45 | bcv | hi all |
| 11:46.07 | gnarface | Do5: did you start bluetooth-agent so you could pair? |
| 11:46.27 | Do5 | auto started by bluetooth-applet |
| 11:46.30 | gnarface | Do5: the headset still will insist that it needs to be paired even though the linux system doesn't give a shit one way o ranother |
| 11:46.38 | Do5 | tried to kill it and start agent by self too |
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| 11:47.13 | bcv | After doing an update today morning strangely my wheezy box is attaching itself to a wireless access point which is less link quality than the AP which is nearer and more intensity. I have to explicitely give BSSID to ask it to join a roaming access point. Is this a normal behaviour ? I was hoping that a better link quality must be automatically selecte |
| 11:47.20 | gnarface | Do5: yea uh... did you try *using* it to pair? like, maybe by setting a PIN? its possible the headset has a pre-defined one (i'm not familiar with this hardware of yours) |
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| 11:47.52 | Do5 | vendor says it's 0000 |
| 11:48.04 | Do5 | tried to start the agent with that pin - nothing |
| 11:48.19 | Do5 | on hcitool is doesn't even appear on "scan" |
| 11:48.31 | Do5 | never |
| 11:48.51 | gnarface | Do5: hmm. that suggests you forgot to put it into visible mode before you tried to pair |
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| 11:49.32 | gnarface | Do5: you should definitely see ANY functional bluetooth device on a scan that is in range and visible regardless of whether its supported. |
| 11:49.34 | Do5 | did it :/ |
| 11:49.47 | gnarface | bummer then, i got nothing |
| 11:49.49 | Do5 | I can phones and attach to them |
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| 11:49.52 | gnarface | consider reporting a bug |
| 11:49.57 | Do5 | but not the headset |
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| 11:50.13 | VZ2iCarly | OK, let's try this, is there a way to download the install set (DVD ISOs) once create a new container and then: 1) make tweaks and customizations (eg set default display manager, set the suggested desktop wallpapers in all installed desktops, and so on), install suggested software (WINE, the "most common (anongst employees)" games, openoffice, and our internal software), and finally create a *custom* "SDS_Debian_6.iso" that is (by d |
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| 11:50.19 | VZ2iCarly | be installed to hdd |
| 11:50.22 | gnarface | Do5: can you use this headset anywhere at all? its possible its DOA or just not charged up ... |
| 11:50.48 | Do5 | works fine on my dual windows partition |
| 11:50.56 | gnarface | disturbing |
| 11:51.05 | Do5 | ;) |
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| 11:51.33 | Do5 | I've actually spent 3 days now on the stupid headset |
| 11:51.43 | Do5 | (instead of working:) |
| 11:51.46 | gnarface | can it only be paired to one thing at a time perhaps? |
| 11:52.06 | Do5 | maybe |
| 11:52.15 | gnarface | i'm not even sure whether that's common |
| 11:52.17 | Do5 | but it is not attached to anything at the time |
| 11:52.29 | gnarface | the fact it won't show up on a scan even suggests user error or a bug though |
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| 11:52.53 | Do5 | weird though |
| 11:53.25 | gnarface | all squeeze, no backports or repo mixing? bluetooth is broken in wheezy and sid... |
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| 11:53.49 | gnarface | although not in any way that i've seen that sabotages scans... |
| 11:53.55 | gnarface | definitely something is amiss |
| 11:53.55 | VZ2iCarly | I just got off the phone with ITS and suggested that they ditch kde in favor of xfce and they said... "OK, we'll let you do the testing and QA, and you must present to us a *functional* environment with ALL of the changes you wish to implement to us and then if your case is good enough, we'll drop lenny and upgrade" |
| 11:53.59 | Do5 | all squeeze fresh new |
| 11:54.39 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: hah. well that sounds dismissive but that's your victory. go for it. |
| 11:54.47 | gnarface | the only shot you're gonna geg |
| 11:54.49 | gnarface | get |
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| 11:55.24 | VZ2iCarly | so let's make this simple for everyone else... let me re post something i said earlier but go t no responce |
| 11:55.29 | VZ2iCarly | OK, let's try this, is there a way to download the install set (DVD ISOs) once create a new container and then: 1) make tweaks and customizations (eg set default display manager, set the suggested desktop wallpapers in all installed desktops, and so on), install suggested software (WINE, the "most common (anongst employees)" games, openoffice, and our internal software), and finally create a *custom* "SDS_Debian_6.iso" that is (by d |
| 11:55.35 | VZ2iCarly | be installed to hdd |
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| 11:56.00 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: part of that message WAS truncated for us |
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| 11:56.18 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:56.38 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: but you're going about it the wrong way what you want is a preseeding file or a custom live image |
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| 11:56.51 | Agiofws | how does one UNINSTALL the 2 last installed packages in debian via dpkg ? |
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| 11:57.01 | nkuttler | !tell VZ2iCarly about preseeding |
| 11:57.05 | Agiofws | i don't remember there names |
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| 11:57.21 | themill | Agiofws: dpkg keeps logs |
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| 11:57.37 | nachos | Hi, is ipfw or pf available for linux? iptables is ugly. |
| 11:57.37 | engla | Agiofws: look into /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 11:57.38 | Agiofws | /var/log ? |
| 11:57.49 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 11:58.08 | themill | Agiofws: it's the same number of keystrokes to type "ls /var/log" and see yourself ;) |
| 11:58.30 | Agiofws | or /var/log# tail -100 dpkg.log :) |
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| 11:59.17 | nkuttler | nachos: no, why are you using linux? |
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| 12:00.12 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: if you really really really insist that you need an entire copy of squeeze that is portable you need to look into making a private mirror and expect to need more harddrive space |
| 12:00.34 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: and expect to be downloading it for weeks |
| 12:00.42 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: WEEKS, carly |
| 12:01.32 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: most people who think they need this functionality really just can get away with a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng |
| 12:01.34 | nkuttler | VZ2iCarly: you probably want an apt proxy |
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| 12:02.22 | Stummi | hi, i am using a touchscreen which works in general with default driver, but the y-axis seems to be flipped. is there a way/tool to calibrate this touch screen? |
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| 12:02.57 | Stummi | the screen has an non free (and not in repositories) driver from the vendor which provides an calibration tools. This works but it would be nicer if it also works with free tools |
| 12:03.41 | babilen | VZ2iCarly: Look into puppet, cfengine and chef for better options. Combine that with a caching proxy and you should be fine. |
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| 12:03.58 | babilen | !tell VZ2iCarly -about custom cd |
| 12:04.03 | babilen | !tell VZ2iCarly -about blend |
| 12:04.05 | bcv | After doing an update today morning strangely my wheezy box is attaching itself to a wireless access point which is less link quality than the AP which is nearer and more intensity. I have to explicitely give BSSID to ask it to join a roaming access point. Is this a normal behaviour ? I was hoping that a better link quality must be automatically selected |
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| 12:04.54 | babilen | bcv: Start by listing *all* packages that you upgraded. Please also elaborate on the way in which you configure your wireless interfaces and say a few words about the behaviour *before* your upgrade. |
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| 12:06.43 | nkuttler | VZ2iCarly: or salt |
| 12:08.25 | VZ2iCarly | OK then, let's do this... does anyone know of a vendor that sells DVDs for a small fee (or even gives them away for free)? thus NO download time. then, how to create the customized install set for everyone else who either does not want the eitire set, or just wants the stuff that's work-releated |
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| 12:08.49 | gnarface | hmm. i thought debian did that themselves... |
| 12:09.07 | gnarface | nope |
| 12:09.10 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 12:12.43 | VZ2iCarly | OK, i'll buy the set, now about the customized "subset"? |
| 12:13.08 | gnarface | the options are to customize before or after installation |
| 12:14.03 | gnarface | the suggestion i made about preseeding or custom live images are the "before" options, stuff like cfengine/chef/puppet/bcfg2 are the "after" options. really at that level its just a matter of preference. |
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| 12:14.54 | gnarface | although personally i like the preseeding approach myself because its a native feature of the stock installer and doesn't require that the resulting system be dependent on any additional software |
| 12:14.56 | govinda | Why Debian over Fedora? |
| 12:15.22 | gnarface | govinda: Debian is a non-profit organization and that alone should be a sufficient argument to trump any other. |
| 12:15.30 | themill | dpkg: tell govinda about why debian |
| 12:16.02 | gnarface | RedHat is no different from Microsoft except that they suck at it |
| 12:16.05 | govinda | gnarface: advantages as an user? |
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| 12:16.42 | gnarface | govinda: RedHat is known for having their own "enterprise grade" support system. if you're not *paying* for linux though there are no advantages as a user |
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| 12:17.04 | babilen | gnarface: VZ2iCarly will probably not be able to everything that needs to be done with the preseeding approach though |
| 12:17.11 | babilen | *to do |
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| 12:17.32 | gnarface | babilen: you don't think? like what? |
| 12:18.04 | gnarface | thought preseeding could include a post-install script hook to cover the last mile of stuff that can't be done through debconf |
| 12:18.07 | babilen | gnarface: Setting background images for users comes to mind. Maybe even installing third-party software |
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| 12:18.30 | babilen | gnarface: Ah, yeah, right. That might be possible |
| 12:18.54 | gnarface | i guess i don't know this isn't something i've ever tried to do with a desktop system |
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| 12:19.08 | gnarface | and none of the server clusters i've set up run X |
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| 12:19.17 | xwit | Can I list apt-gettable packages by size? Or does anyone know some really tiny packages? |
| 12:19.22 | file-exists-p | dear all. I have set up an encrypted volume (a file, not a partition) with cryptsetup and luks, and everything runs fine: with the proper /etc/fstab /etc/crypttab, using cryptdisk_start/stop and mount I can use this volume |
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| 12:19.42 | file-exists-p | is there a way to automatize so that mount would call cryptdisk_start ? |
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| 12:19.51 | govinda | what desktop enviroment would you reccomend over kde? |
| 12:20.05 | gnarface | govinda: anything at all except gnome |
| 12:20.12 | govinda | agreed on that |
| 12:20.20 | govinda | but I hvent tried the rest |
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| 12:21.03 | gnarface | govinda: if you're from os X you'll find xfce relatively familiar as its also based on the old xbox(no not microsoft's game console)/nextstep/afterstep wharf-style UI concepts |
| 12:21.44 | govinda | gnarface: that is not the case, but sounds interesting |
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| 12:21.55 | gnarface | govinda: lxde is just xfce "light" and the rest are fairly unique to their own legacy |
| 12:22.16 | govinda | I see |
| 12:22.27 | govinda | those are the 4 alternatives |
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| 12:22.39 | gnarface | no |
| 12:22.43 | gnarface | there are more |
| 12:22.49 | gnarface | those are just the 4 most popular |
| 12:22.58 | gnarface | e17 makes a 5th |
| 12:23.07 | govinda | well ill stick to kde i guess |
| 12:23.16 | govinda | it just werks |
| 12:23.25 | gnarface | Linus approves of your choice |
| 12:23.30 | file-exists-p | (fvwm2!) |
| 12:23.50 | govinda | Anyway, where do I buy a Debian License? |
| 12:23.56 | gnarface | snorts |
| 12:24.03 | govinda | :p |
| 12:24.09 | gnarface | govinda: you're joking i assume |
| 12:24.26 | govinda | gnarface: oc, thanks 4 the advice |
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| 12:25.18 | babilen | shudders after being subjected to that textspeak |
| 12:25.23 | gnarface | govinda: no problem. good luck; personally i do recommend only that you stay far the fuck away from gnome. the leading question we get in here about gnome is "how to uninstall?" |
| 12:25.27 | Do5 | solved the philips shb6110 issue |
| 12:25.44 | gnarface | Do5: don't keep us in suspense! what did you do? |
| 12:26.06 | govinda | I had nightmares with gnome 3, almost pushed me away from L |
| 12:26.22 | nkuttler | sighs |
| 12:26.38 | gnarface | govinda: software developers younger than the age of 35 should not be allowed to buy iPhones. that is all. |
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| 12:28.09 | govinda | gnarface: im not sure to understand you.. |
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| 12:28.45 | gnarface | govinda: well good then you still can live a long and happy life |
| 12:29.09 | file-exists-p | gnarface why being unpleasant |
| 12:29.14 | file-exists-p | that does not help |
| 12:29.22 | file-exists-p | and you look like an asshole |
| 12:29.22 | gnarface | looks left |
| 12:29.24 | gnarface | looks right |
| 12:29.28 | file-exists-p | to strangers |
| 12:29.32 | gnarface | file-exists-p: this is me being pleasant |
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| 12:30.38 | govinda | gnarface: no ofense percieved |
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| 12:30.57 | govinda | gnarface: Go ahead and be as you wish |
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| 12:31.28 | ChrisH | feels more like... noone should be allowed to buy iPhone :) ... but thats a feeling only |
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| 12:31.55 | file-exists-p | anyway, is there a way to make mount call cryptdisks_start? |
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| 12:31.59 | gnarface | govinda: thank you and none intended. i merely meant to point out the very real impact that iOS had on the developer community and the very obviously irrational decision the gnome development team took to try to bring that type of UI paradigm to the desktop, where it frankly doesn't belong |
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| 12:32.44 | gnarface | file-exists-p: i don't have an answer for that but i have a question; why not just have it start automatically at boot instead? |
| 12:33.04 | govinda | Sounds like an interesting correlation, suitable for an essay, or a blog post perhaps |
| 12:33.59 | Dewi | gnarface: ah. Was trying to work out what you meant. It bothers me how win95-esque most linux desktops still feel though, and the few that deviated have been so fiercely unpopular. |
| 12:34.01 | gnarface | hmm. it seems to me that these are not original ideas; like i read them off someone else's blog post already... |
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| 12:34.24 | safridzal | need help, i just re-install my leptop using old ISO (i think its squeeze) and I'd like to upgrade to testing, I've install apt-listbugs and realize that some of upgradeable package have bugs. The thing is, I cant upgrade the other package (the healthy ones).. is there a way to upgrade and exclude the bugged package? |
| 12:34.41 | gnarface | Dewi: yea its ... frustrating to me as well that even Linus likes KDE best despite it being a blatant windows shell ripoff. gnome looks just like mac os 8 |
| 12:34.50 | gnarface | Dewi: er, i mean gnome 2 |
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| 12:35.29 | Dewi | gnarface: I used unity when it was beta and thought "some good ideas here", but then they released it in that state... |
| 12:35.30 | gnarface | Dewi: but i have great hope for xfce rising to the top once wheezy comes out since it will be the default, displacing gnome for the first time in decades |
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| 12:36.59 | Dewi | gnarface: yeah that was a pleasant surprise. It's not revolutionary but I like fast and minimal |
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| 12:37.09 | ChrisH | file-exists-p: My cryptdisks get uncrypted in rcS.d/S08cryptdisks-early rcS.d/S10cryptdisks |
| 12:37.12 | gnarface | now e16 and e17 could never be accused of being "windows-esque" but they could also never be accused of being full desktop environments. myself i only want a window manager, not a DE... but this is a dividing line amongst linux users |
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| 12:38.19 | gnarface | canonical/ubuntu seem to be trying their hardest to angle at making a gnome app store like apple/android. i cannot say i approve |
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| 12:38.25 | govinda | gnarface: Im getting the iso, btw |
| 12:38.57 | gnarface | govinda: which one? netinstall? |
| 12:39.24 | Dewi | gnarface: it's the kind of thing Regular Folks will expect soon, and I think rightly so. I'm not sure whether it's what linux is about however... |
| 12:39.24 | govinda | Its the live one, shouldnt it be? |
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| 12:39.50 | teite | i want my kde 3.8 back :( |
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| 12:40.02 | teite | now i'm stuck with xfce ;) |
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| 12:40.26 | gnarface | govinda: if you are just trying to test a UI yea, sure |
| 12:40.33 | Do5 | OMG it was so stupid :) |
| 12:40.37 | gnarface | govinda: they're good to keep around for rescue operations too |
| 12:40.43 | govinda | :s |
| 12:40.59 | govinda | can I do netinstall via wifi? |
| 12:41.00 | Do5 | the BT headset has 2 mods: PAIR mode and CONNECT mode |
| 12:41.17 | Do5 | PAIRING mod can handle up to 2 devices |
| 12:41.32 | teite | anyone uses virtual box here? i would really love to get X-copy&paste working |
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| 12:41.34 | Do5 | I was trying to use the same way I did in windows |
| 12:41.45 | teite | windows host and linux guest |
| 12:42.02 | Do5 | longer press on the headset button gives PAIRING MOD |
| 12:42.07 | gnarface | govinda: uh, yea as long as you don't need WPA/WPA2 during installs |
| 12:42.33 | gnarface | govinda: otherwise you need a 3rd party installer (or just do a cable/unencrypted wifi install then upgrade after) |
| 12:42.43 | govinda | Can I fit the non netinstall on a 2bg usb drivE? |
| 12:42.48 | govinda | gb* |
| 12:42.49 | ChrisH | teite: I would like to have it allways working, too. Do you have the extension installed? That improves the situation dramatically! |
| 12:43.04 | Dewi | govinda: there'll be a "CD1" somewhere that will |
| 12:43.10 | EmleyMoor | govinda: Easily |
| 12:43.26 | VZ2iCarly | OK, great... the order's been placed, I should get it within the next 1-5 business days then i'll be off and rolling |
| 12:43.30 | govinda | Cant I just install from the Live? |
| 12:43.42 | teite | ChrisH: sure, but still only ctrl-shift-c/v only |
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| 12:43.50 | govinda | why would it be a bad idea? |
| 12:44.00 | Dewi | govinda: what live cd is it exactly? |
| 12:44.32 | gnarface | govinda: i thought the live installer doesn't have many options it basically just mirrors the existing live image setup but i could be wrong... never tried it |
| 12:44.34 | govinda | live 6.0.5 amd64 kde |
| 12:44.40 | teite | ChrisH: do you use vbox 4.2 already? |
| 12:45.26 | ChrisH | teite: virtualbox 4.1.18-dfsg-1 |
| 12:45.56 | VZ2iCarly | so, are gcc and kernel headers packages included in stock dvds? if so, using aptitude (launch root shell, type aptitude, press enter and install what?) |
| 12:47.07 | teite | ChrisH: i see, i tried 4.2 but the virtual machine didn't start |
| 12:47.35 | ChrisH | teite: and older version. I most time connect via rdesktop and there copy and paste depends on the moon or tide or what ever... copy from the VM mostly workd, copy into fails most times. |
| 12:47.54 | teite | hmm rdesktop, could try that too |
| 12:48.15 | teite | but I'd still have the vbox guest console open right? |
| 12:48.27 | VZ2iCarly | hang on all, I got to step away from my desk, brb |
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| 12:48.47 | teite | with vmware one could start the vm without having to run the console window |
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| 12:52.40 | ChrisH | teite: not necessarly needed... vbox-manage start headless $VM check for syntax details |
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| 12:54.45 | gnarface | VZ2iCarly: build-essential and/or build-dep [package name], i think |
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| 13:08.37 | xwit | how do i check if im on 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 13:09.20 | themill | xwit: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:09.38 | ChrisH | xwit: uname -a ? |
| 13:09.53 | formorer | ChrisH: this only tells you about your kernel |
| 13:10.01 | formorer | but not neccessary about your system |
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| 13:10.35 | n2diy | lshw? |
| 13:11.01 | themill | dpkg: tell xwit about cross-post |
| 13:11.01 | ChrisH | formorer: doesn't a 64bit kernel forces a 64bit installation... and of course 64bit HW? |
| 13:11.06 | formorer | ChrisH: no. |
| 13:11.20 | themill | ChrisH: you can install an amd64 kernel on an i386 installation |
| 13:11.23 | formorer | ChrisH: you can install a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system |
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| 13:11.41 | n2diy | wow, lshw isn't installed? |
| 13:11.57 | formorer | n2diy: and lshw only tells you if you have support for 64 bit, not if you are running it |
| 13:12.14 | ChrisH | but you cannot boot a 64bit kernel on 32bit HW nor can you install a 64but packge on 32bit HW. I tried it this morning accidently |
| 13:12.31 | formorer | ChrisH: of course you can |
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| 13:12.42 | xwit | uname -a => i686 and dpkg ... => i386, bad? |
| 13:12.46 | formorer | i386 even ofters amd64 kernels in the repo |
| 13:12.58 | themill | xwit: not a problem |
| 13:12.58 | formorer | xwit: no, thats fine. |
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| 13:13.34 | xwit | and is that 32bit or 64bit? |
| 13:13.48 | gnarface | 32 |
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| 13:13.53 | themill | wonders why xwit cares |
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| 13:14.14 | n2diy | ok, fresh install on the work box, next order of business should be apt-get install upgrade? |
| 13:14.30 | xwit | msi => windows installer only right? |
| 13:14.51 | n2diy | or update, then upgrade? |
| 13:15.14 | gnarface | n2diy: update, then upgrade |
| 13:15.18 | goshawk1 | xwit, that's correct |
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| 13:15.31 | n2diy | ok |
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| 13:15.49 | ChrisH | formorer: I cannot install a 64bit package on 32bit system, see http://paste.debian.net/207462/ |
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| 13:16.01 | gnarface | well, msi might also refer to some universal interface for what i vaguely understand to be the ethernet card verison of DMA but that would never show up as a filename extension.... |
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| 13:16.11 | formorer | ChrisH: I never said you can do this. |
| 13:16.14 | themill | ChrisH: umm... that's not how you go about it though. |
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| 13:16.23 | formorer | I only said you can run a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system |
| 13:16.48 | formorer | that doesn't mean you can install amd64 debs |
| 13:16.54 | themill | ,v linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:16.55 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-44; squeeze: 2.6.32-46 |
| 13:17.07 | themill | ChrisH: ^^ amd64 kernel only an apt-get away for i36. |
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| 13:17.09 | themill | 8 |
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| 13:17.49 | themill | ChrisH: but you will notice that it is an "i386" package unlike that amd64 package you just showed us the error for. |
| 13:17.54 | ChrisH | interesting... What is the advantage of running a 64bit kernel on 32bit HW? |
| 13:18.12 | formorer | no PAE |
| 13:18.12 | themill | it's good at finding bugs |
| 13:18.32 | gnarface | ChrisH: pretty much nothing other than having more than 4GB of addressable memory without needing to buy a new motherboard+cpu |
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| 13:18.35 | babilen | ChrisH: All the advantages of a 64bit kernel + all the disadvantages of running a mixed system and i386! |
| 13:18.46 | formorer | not really |
| 13:19.01 | formorer | the address space for one process is still 32bit |
| 13:19.33 | Kartagis | I am running drupal on apache, I have rewrite module enabled, AllowOverride set to all for that directory, and I can't seem to have clean urls enabled. do I have to do anything else on debian? |
| 13:19.34 | formorer | running a 64bit kernel doesn't give you a full 64bit system |
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| 13:20.05 | ChrisH | So as long as I only have 2GB on my 32bit box, it happy stay with 32bit kernel and 32bit Debian around. |
| 13:20.11 | formorer | ack |
| 13:20.25 | babilen | ChrisH: But seriously: It really depends on what you want to do and a 64bit kernel on 32bit userland doesn't make *that* much sense and the compilation of modules is tricky/broken for quite some modules. |
| 13:20.35 | formorer | in fact a 64bit kernel has some overhead above a 32bit kernel |
| 13:20.43 | babilen | ChrisH: And yeah, on that hardware it makes sense to stay on i386 |
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| 13:22.14 | ChrisH | I learned today, that I can run a 64bit Kernel on a 32bit HW... I would have bet it does not work... And now I remeber it was a 64bit Distro I tried to boot on a 32bit box which failed with some messages like: you stupid this is a 32bit System. |
| 13:22.45 | formorer | ChrisH: no, that isn't what I said. |
| 13:22.54 | formorer | ChrisH: you need of course 64bit hardware. |
| 13:23.10 | formorer | but you can run 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel on hardware that supports 64bit |
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| 13:23.38 | formorer | a combination that can make sense (sometimes) |
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| 13:25.44 | ChrisH | formorer: now you confused me again... I will cite myself from above. "14:12 < ChrisH> but you cannot boot a 64bit kernel on 32bit HW nor can you install a 64but packge on 32bit HW..." So I can install a 64bit kernel package from i368 repo and boot it. Bot I cannot install a 64bit Kernel from an amd64 repo. I think thats a correct summary. |
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| 13:26.23 | jelly | ChrisH: yes, that's correct for squeeze. |
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| 13:38.46 | njkt | hey guys, is there anyway to install php5 on squeeze without having to install apache along with it? |
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| 13:39.27 | gnarface | php5-cgi |
| 13:39.49 | gnarface | or php5-cli |
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| 13:40.11 | gnarface | (dependin on what you're doing) but personally i recommend you FUCKING USE APACHE lighttpd is terrible! |
| 13:40.25 | gnarface | christ |
| 13:40.28 | njkt | not using lighthttpd |
| 13:40.28 | gnarface | terrible |
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| 13:41.03 | gnarface | njkt: for whatever its worth you can safely install apache2 and mod_php and just not use it... |
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| 13:41.51 | njkt | yeah i might |
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| 13:41.59 | njkt | and just stop it from running on boot |
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| 13:42.55 | DarkKnightCZ | does anybody know when will be glibc updated to 2.15 in sid? |
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| 13:46.56 | jelly | DarkKnightCZ: don't count on it before wheezy gets released |
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| 13:49.27 | DarkKnightCZ | jelly: i assume wheezy will be released somewhen in january... then there is no way how to run native steam on debian then :) |
| 13:50.13 | jelly | DarkKnightCZ: Valve only supports Ubuntu 12.04. |
| 13:50.22 | jelly | as far as I know |
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| 13:50.49 | DarkKnightCZ | i know, but there is deb package, so it runnable on debian... but you cannot install it because of that dependency (glibc 2.15) |
| 13:51.02 | jelly | there is deb package, so it runnable on debian # NO |
| 13:51.35 | jelly | DarkKnightCZ: the package is in .deb format, but it's not meant to run on Debian or any distro other then what they built it for |
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| 13:52.31 | jelly | DarkKnightCZ: again: if you want to run that, either set up a VM or debootstrap a chroot with ubuntu 12.* |
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| 13:53.00 | DarkKnightCZ | yep, i know :) |
| 13:53.22 | jelly | what you're writing makes it appear as if you don't know |
| 13:54.51 | DarkKnightCZ | yeeah, i guess :) |
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| 14:07.16 | teite | ChrisH: thank you about the vbox headless start |
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| 14:07.34 | teite | just had a problem with collecting entropy |
| 14:07.41 | teite | i hate SSL and kernel entropy |
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| 14:08.06 | stack | then buy an external rnd number generator :) |
| 14:08.14 | Harzilein | hi |
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| 14:09.32 | teite | hi Harzilein |
| 14:09.51 | KittyGirl | 22221212123111121333333333333333333333333 |
| 14:09.54 | KittyGirl | 213333333333 |
| 14:09.58 | KittyGirl | 12222222222222222 |
| 14:10.00 | teite | any advice regarding collecting entropy for linux kernel? |
| 14:10.02 | KittyGirl | oh sorry :/ |
| 14:10.11 | teite | KittyGirl: thank you for so much entropy :p |
| 14:10.12 | KittyGirl | my bad sorry it was an accident I swear |
| 14:10.17 | KittyGirl | teite: ? |
| 14:10.22 | KittyGirl | huh? :o |
| 14:10.27 | teite | joke |
| 14:10.43 | teite | just had enough entropy in a linux server for ssl to work |
| 14:10.52 | teite | s/had/hadn't/ |
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| 14:11.33 | teite | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.03 | teite | KittyGirl: sorry if i confused you ;) |
| 14:14.13 | KittyGirl | teite: haha |
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| 14:15.28 | quesada | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.40 | mrHat | ok, so i have a task to install and configure bind9 on a debian machine with a zone for domain "iesc.org" following the requirements here> http://www.doctorgsm.es/bind9. I did everything and things seam to work correctly but i would like somebody who knows better to look over my configs and tell me if it's ok? thanks |
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| 14:17.27 | KittyGirl | mrHat: Oh got |
| 14:17.28 | KittyGirl | god |
| 14:17.32 | mrHat | http://www.doctorgsm.es/res.png and http://www.doctorgsm.es/inv.png are my zone files |
| 14:17.34 | KittyGirl | bind is vulnerable! |
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| 14:18.03 | ceil | again? |
| 14:18.14 | gnarface | KittyGirl: not in squeeze, patched, and properly configured |
| 14:18.23 | KittyGirl | :o |
| 14:18.29 | KittyGirl | gnarface: No? |
| 14:18.33 | KittyGirl | in squeeze |
| 14:18.42 | KittyGirl | it's vulnerable no matter what :/ |
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| 14:19.18 | gnarface | i highly doubt that but i'd be interested in proof |
| 14:19.32 | gnarface | maybe you've never heard of DNSSEC? |
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| 14:19.44 | mrHat | jeez |
| 14:19.47 | joltcan | Anything is potentially vulnerable, so I guess KittyGirl is right! |
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| 14:19.57 | mrHat | who the hell cares about it's vulnerable or not.. can anyone help |
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| 14:21.07 | gnarface | mrHat: in general if you want to paste a config file you want someone in here to actually look at its a good idea to use paste.debian.net |
| 14:21.25 | gnarface | mrHat: (no ads) |
| 14:21.37 | joltcan | mrHat: From what I remember of bind it looks good |
| 14:21.38 | jelly | KittyGirl: reference or it didn't happen |
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| 14:22.03 | KittyGirl | jelly: no reference |
| 14:22.08 | KittyGirl | it's my own study. |
| 14:22.33 | gnarface | KittyGirl: is just referencing the whole cache poisoning fiasco and its not even relevant if you're only hosting/allowing external queries to your own domains |
| 14:22.43 | KittyGirl | :/ |
| 14:22.48 | joltcan | mrHat: you can also run nslint to see if it seems syntaxly correct |
| 14:22.51 | jelly | KittyGirl: irc is the wrong place to publish it, vendor-sec or full-disclosure mailing list is over there --> |
| 14:22.58 | KittyGirl | gnarface: It can get ur system rooted!!! |
| 14:23.00 | KittyGirl | O.o |
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| 14:23.32 | gnarface | KittyGirl: jelly is right. if you have knowledge of previously undisclosed vulnerabilities you are choosing the wrong channel in which to voice them |
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| 14:23.39 | damacus | mrHat: looks good to me.. something not working?> |
| 14:23.53 | KittyGirl | tom_: oh gosh not TomM! |
| 14:23.54 | KittyGirl | O.o |
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| 14:24.27 | damacus | aside from having suspiciously old serials |
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| 14:25.03 | mrHat | damacus ? |
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| 14:25.16 | mrHat | serials have yesterday date |
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| 14:25.30 | jelly | KittyGirl: the security team is over in #debian-security on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:26.16 | Ghormoon | hi guys, have you ever tried reading time from HTTP packets in a script? I have to choose from a few tasks for a homework and one of them requires reading time from HTTP communication on eth0 ... do you think it's difficult or not? :D |
| 14:26.22 | damacus | mrHat: it's november bro |
| 14:26.30 | mrHat | ajj damn |
| 14:26.32 | mrHat | haha |
| 14:26.33 | mrHat | sorry |
| 14:26.36 | KittyGirl | jelly: The only way I fix the issue is by removing bind! |
| 14:26.41 | damacus | =) |
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| 14:27.00 | mrHat | damacus> do i need to update anything if i make changed to the serials ? |
| 14:27.11 | mrHat | or a simple restart of bind will do |
| 14:27.18 | kaste | Ghormoon: wrong channel but not too difficult, just read the spec and then it's basically an offset into the packet |
| 14:27.20 | damacus | restart bind |
| 14:27.30 | joltcan | or rndc refresh |
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| 14:27.41 | damacus | if you've set up rndc yeah |
| 14:27.43 | mrHat | yeah .. i knew i've read about that somewhere :P |
| 14:28.07 | joltcan | Yeah, better to set it up than having to restard bind all the time. Bad for your uptime :) |
| 14:28.36 | damacus | one less control channel to worry about |
| 14:29.13 | mrHat | i've seen several types of comment syntax in the config files |
| 14:29.17 | jelly | KittyGirl: that's fine, but keep the non-construcitve comments out of this channel |
| 14:29.29 | mrHat | i can use #, //, and ; for comments ? |
| 14:29.37 | damacus | i've only used ; |
| 14:29.52 | KittyGirl | jelly: I'm a stoner fish! |
| 14:29.57 | jelly | mrHat: each program uses their own |
| 14:29.58 | KittyGirl | and ur a jelly fish! |
| 14:29.58 | mrHat | i've also seen // but i'm not sure about # |
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| 14:30.23 | mrHat | jelly> i'm talking about bind |
| 14:30.37 | mrHat | the config files of bind |
| 14:30.50 | Ghormoon | kaste: I've found PcapUtils for perl, do things like that pass the packets also to the original apps? It shouldn't break the communication :) however it seems ok, other topics seem to be much worse :D |
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| 14:32.30 | jelly | mrHat: software from ISC people is weird |
| 14:32.36 | joltcan | mrHat: there is probably a manfile for bind that explains the cooment format |
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| 14:43.28 | neillom | Hi All, trying to troubleshoot a keyboard focus issus. Does anyone know any utilites that can monitor what windo has the current keyboard focus? |
| 14:43.45 | neillom | or where each keystroke is going? |
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| 14:47.29 | kaste | there is logkeys and xev |
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| 14:47.44 | kaste | both serve different purposes the latter is probably unsuitable for your issue |
| 14:47.54 | neillom | I didnt think xev gave the window |
| 14:48.03 | neillom | ill look into log keys |
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| 14:48.04 | kaste | nope but keystrokes |
| 14:48.35 | kaste | if you have a fancy de they usualyy give you some indication of which one has focus (or at least give you the optioon to) |
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| 14:50.07 | neillom | when i switch window it comes to the front |
| 14:50.19 | neillom | the problem is that the first leystroke is not captured |
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| 14:50.25 | neillom | it takes another to get captures |
| 14:50.27 | neillom | it takes another to get captured |
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| 14:56.22 | zetheroo | how do you change the default group of a user? |
| 14:58.07 | jordanm | zetheroo: usermod -g |
| 14:58.26 | zetheroo | ok |
| 14:58.32 | zetheroo | yes, thanks ... that worked!! |
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| 15:05.48 | crypticmofo | hi |
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| 15:05.57 | crypticmofo | can i install debian via chroot ? |
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| 15:09.08 | stack | crypticmofo: maybe look at debootstrap |
| 15:09.09 | crypticmofo | this is what i see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 15:09.41 | crypticmofo | its fine |
| 15:09.48 | crypticmofo | i will just download debian i think i have a dvd here |
| 15:09.53 | crypticmofo | can somebody ehlp me get started |
| 15:10.03 | crypticmofo | im assuming i need squeeze correct ? |
| 15:10.07 | crypticmofo | also i want to do a net install |
| 15:10.22 | crypticmofo | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:10.26 | crypticmofo | thats what i got |
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| 15:12.54 | gnarface | crypticmofo: your link: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 15:14.21 | crypticmofo | gnarface, whats this webiste i found http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 15:14.27 | crypticmofo | debian-installer ? |
| 15:14.40 | crypticmofo | same thing im assuming ? |
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| 15:15.52 | gnarface | crypticmofo: this is a superset; the link i sent you was only net installers this looks like both |
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| 15:17.34 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 15:17.38 | boudiccas | Just rying to get my sony miro phone connected to my computer and seen by it. what does the sd-card have to be seen as please? i seem to remeber its something like usb mass storage device? |
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| 15:18.58 | gnarface | boudiccas: yep |
| 15:19.18 | gnarface | boudiccas: it should work by default. look in dmesg |
| 15:19.33 | gnarface | boudiccas: some phones have to be explicitly set into "mass storage" mode |
| 15:19.39 | boudiccas | gnarface, thanks, i need to change it on the phoen first |
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| 15:20.02 | gnarface | boudiccas: after that it should work like any usb key |
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| 15:20.36 | mandla | ksh: ssh: 0403-006 Execute permission denied |
| 15:20.45 | jkyle | I'm trying to recall the method/command to retrieve dpkg configure options for a package |
| 15:20.55 | jkyle | so you can automate subsequent installs by presetting them |
| 15:20.55 | mandla | Help me, im trying to ssh from my server |
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| 15:21.18 | jkyle | if I can just recall the name, more than happy to read the man |
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| 15:24.24 | gnarface | jkyle: i think you're looking for debconf-get-selections |
| 15:24.55 | jkyle | gnarface: that's it! dpkg --get-selections was stuck in my head, but that only lists the install state |
| 15:25.27 | jkyle | pretty sure that's it, lemme check |
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| 15:25.38 | gnarface | yea that's it but its not always easy |
| 15:25.54 | gnarface | the debconf database can get really muddy in some cases |
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| 15:26.44 | ikla | where do I set module options in my initrd for modprobe/ insmod? |
| 15:26.46 | gnarface | sometimes you can't just pipe the output directly to debconf-set-selections and get what you expect, certain packages can't take what they dish out so to speak and need manual tweaking of the debconf selections before you pipe them back in |
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| 15:27.26 | gnarface | ikla: /etc/modprobe.d/whatever.conf |
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| 15:27.49 | sKeiths | in my notificats area, the icons for xchat and gmail notifier have gotten corupted and dont blend with background anymore. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31887256/notificationbar.png any idea how to reset or should i ask in #kde? |
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| 15:28.26 | ikla | gnarface, can you do modprobe module options and insmod module options? |
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| 15:29.10 | gnarface | ikla: well modprobe ones for sure. i don't think insmod works the same way; i think it expects everything on the command line. i could be wrong |
| 15:29.22 | jkyle | yep, that's it. debconf-utils |
| 15:29.26 | jkyle | gnarface: thanks! |
| 15:29.31 | gnarface | jkyle: no problem |
| 15:29.49 | ikla | ok so /etc/modprobe.d/options and update-initramfs ? |
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| 15:30.12 | gnarface | ikla: no /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
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| 15:30.26 | ikla | ok |
| 15:30.30 | ikla | then rebuild initramfs |
| 15:30.40 | gnarface | ikla: yes, it just has to end in .conf |
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| 15:30.46 | ikla | gotcha |
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| 15:36.24 | rideh | how stable is wheezy? |
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| 15:37.11 | sKeiths | in my system tray panel, the icons for xchat and gmail have gotten corrupted. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31887256/notificationbar.png any idea how to reset or should i ask in #kde? more corruption. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/31887256/systray.png |
| 15:38.12 | ChrisH | rideh: stable enough for me, I even run unstable on my Laptop.... But its your decision |
| 15:38.24 | gnarface | !stable |
| 15:38.24 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 15:38.42 | rideh | it'll be for a development server and be going into production in about 3 months |
| 15:38.45 | gnarface | wheezy is NOT stable |
| 15:38.52 | gnarface | your question is wrong |
| 15:38.54 | rideh | we need python 2.7 and rather have it native |
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| 15:39.14 | ChrisH | ,v python |
| 15:39.16 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-3 |
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| 15:41.19 | rideh | gnarface: I know debian is very stringent with stability. thats kinda why i'm leaning towards a testing branch and sticking with it once it goes stable. cycle is about 1 yr right? |
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| 15:42.26 | gnarface | rideh: which cycle? the cycle of how long it takes a frozen testing branch to become stable (since wheezy is now frozen) you mean? i myself would like to see the historical stats but i believe the general rage is 6 to 18 months |
| 15:42.38 | stack | ,v python3 |
| 15:42.40 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-5; sid: 3.2.3-6 |
| 15:42.42 | rideh | gnarface: yes tht thanks |
| 15:42.53 | gnarface | rideh: 1 year from one stable to another stable is unrealistically short. usually a stable stays stable for 2-5 years |
| 15:44.33 | rideh | gnarface: thank you - so somewhere between 01/13 and 12/13 it'll go stable most likely? |
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| 15:45.14 | gnarface | rideh: that's *my* personal guess but keep in mind i'm merely speculating. there's definitely no official date other than "when it's done" see also: |
| 15:45.16 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 15:45.17 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 15:45.59 | gnarface | earlier this year i was actually thinking wheezy would go stable this year but multiarch has proven to be an enduring hardship |
| 15:46.00 | ikla | how do I look up module settings that are currently loaded |
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| 15:46.34 | somiaj | ikla: you could try to poke around /proc or /sys or maybe check demsg. What are you trying to check? |
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| 15:46.39 | gnarface | ikla: that's a great question and i don't know the answer but modinfo (as root) can tell you what the available options are and their defaults at least.... |
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| 16:10.14 | crypticmofo | hi all |
| 16:10.18 | crypticmofo | im installing the base system right now |
| 16:10.31 | crypticmofo | are there some good commands or basic matienince commands to use everyday |
| 16:10.41 | crypticmofo | im assuming apt-get update |
| 16:10.42 | crypticmofo | ? |
| 16:10.47 | crypticmofo | or apt-get upgrade ? |
| 16:11.12 | safridzal | crypticmofo: man apt-get |
| 16:11.13 | Stummi | aptitude |
| 16:11.16 | BenBE | rm -fr / |
| 16:11.27 | crypticmofo | lol BenBE |
| 16:11.39 | crypticmofo | Stummi, i was told aptitude was gui for apt-get and i really didn't need it |
| 16:11.42 | crypticmofo | is this correect ? |
| 16:11.44 | teite | BenBE: always enter commands from irc into your linux console |
| 16:11.58 | confusid | Hello, I uninstalled or thought I uninstalled OpenOffice but when I run dpkg --get-selections | grep openoffice It shows me openoffice.org-common deinstall openoffice.org-core deinstall Does the deinstall just show from data base that it was installed and I need to purge whats left? |
| 16:11.58 | Stummi | crypticmofo, no its not |
| 16:12.09 | gnnr | BenBE, don't forget the sudo |
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| 16:12.21 | crypticmofo | Aptitude is an Ncurses based FrontEnd to Apt, the debian package manager. Since it is text based, it is run from a terminal or a CLI (command line interface). Aptitude has a number of useful features, including: |
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| 16:12.41 | crypticmofo | well not gui |
| 16:12.42 | Stummi | was punished here last time he mentiont "rm -rf /" with the comment "don't make jokes about rm -rf / here" |
| 16:12.42 | BenBE | teite: Yep. Especially as for this particular command there's one flag missing which would make it too obvious. |
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| 16:13.09 | Stummi | crypticmofo, aptitude has an TUI-Mode, but you can use it also as simple cli tool |
| 16:13.17 | BenBE | gnnr: Nah... You'll be root for maintainance anyway ... |
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| 16:13.44 | BenBE | crypticmofo: aptitude makes apt-get bearable. |
| 16:14.15 | crypticmofo | oh |
| 16:14.53 | crypticmofo | BenBE, so use aptitude ? |
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| 16:15.04 | BenBE | Stummi: That's the difference ;-) And even if: That'd be really worth it ;-) |
| 16:15.15 | BenBE | crypticmofo: Yes. |
| 16:15.28 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 16:15.47 | BenBE | crypticmofo: Best advantage is a really intuitive conflict resolution once you understand how to press e , . and all the other keys involved. |
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| 16:16.23 | Stummi | search patterns are also awesome with aptitude |
| 16:16.46 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 16:16.51 | BenBE | Jep. Especially ~b is always a useful one. |
| 16:17.09 | BenBE | Even more so if using l instead of /. |
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| 16:17.40 | crypticmofo | im on 275 of 1140 on the install |
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| 16:18.39 | crypticmofo | forgot to put a shirt on before he goes to work |
| 16:18.50 | crypticmofo | is at work with no shirt |
| 16:19.28 | crypticmofo | works at home lol |
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| 16:20.31 | crypticmofo | also dpkg |
| 16:20.45 | crypticmofo | do i really need dpkg at all ? every time i came to this chan somebody was using dpkg |
| 16:20.55 | crypticmofo | dpkg = individual .deb correct ? |
| 16:20.57 | dpkg | crypticmofo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:21.10 | gnarface | crypticmofo: you need dpkg |
| 16:21.11 | crypticmofo | unless using dpkg -i or dpkg -S ? |
| 16:21.23 | crypticmofo | i was doing some research the other day |
| 16:21.41 | BenBE | crypticmofo: dpkg is called by apt-get and aptitude internally to do the actual work ... |
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| 16:30.05 | crypticmofo | 536 of 1140 |
| 16:30.13 | crypticmofo | this is better then watching gentoo install |
| 16:30.14 | crypticmofo | :D |
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| 16:30.27 | sdfdfsdf | hllo |
| 16:30.32 | sdfdfsdf | help me |
| 16:30.48 | sdfdfsdf | i am banned from #archlinux and #ubuntu |
| 16:31.03 | BenBE | crypticmofo: What's the matter with Gentoo? Isn't it fulfillung to have an out-of-date system once you are done with 4 weeks of compiling the most bleeding-edge packages? |
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| 16:31.12 | crypticmofo | hahah BenBE |
| 16:31.15 | sdfdfsdf | install gentoooo |
| 16:31.16 | crypticmofo | well curetnly im on arch |
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| 16:31.29 | crypticmofo | s/curetnly/currently/ |
| 16:32.08 | BenBE | just poweroff s his Lubuntu to go out for a walk. |
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| 16:38.10 | crypticmofo | configureing X seems straight forward http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 16:38.45 | crypticmofo | im going to be running the i3 window manager so i just need X then i will install i3 |
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| 16:42.14 | sdfdfsdf | 54 |
| 16:42.15 | sdfdfsdf | 54 |
| 16:42.15 | sdfdfsdf | 6541 |
| 16:42.23 | n-iCe | hello, is there any way to select just all the text in a opt presentation on oppenoffice impress? thanks |
| 16:42.25 | babilen | sdfdfsdf: Do you need help? |
| 16:42.31 | sdfdfsdf | No |
| 16:42.41 | babilen | sdfdfsdf: Then please stay quiet. Thank you. |
| 16:43.15 | gnarface | he came in saying he was banned from archlinux and ubuntu |
| 16:43.22 | babilen | n-iCe: You might want #Openoffice.org |
| 16:43.24 | gnarface | you might as well just ban him from here too |
| 16:43.42 | gnarface | he's just sitting here thinking of some creative way to get banned. steal his thunder and don't let him have fun |
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| 16:44.04 | babilen | Let's move on. |
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| 16:44.16 | n-iCe | thanks babilen |
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| 16:45.20 | babilen | n-iCe: I'd like to note that #libreoffice is much larger and that you can install it from backports -- you might want to do that |
| 16:45.34 | safridzal | i send duplicate bug report, is there a way to delete one of them?? |
| 16:45.47 | safridzal | its embarassing |
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| 16:46.40 | babilen | safridzal: I would recommend to merge it with the other. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#merge for a discussion of that |
| 16:46.57 | safridzal | thanks babilen |
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| 16:48.20 | crypticmofo | whats up with all this backport talk |
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| 16:48.29 | crypticmofo | everything is normally in the repos right ? |
| 16:48.39 | crypticmofo | sources.list ? |
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| 16:48.46 | shauny | hmm, am i in the right place here to ask for help in regards to stopping processes for spawn-fcgi? xD |
| 16:48.47 | babilen | crypticmofo: I don't quite understand your question. Could you elaborate? |
| 16:49.02 | babilen | shauny: On Debian? If so: Just ask your question! |
| 16:49.09 | shauny | yup it's on debian |
| 16:49.15 | crypticmofo | what are backports ? is it part of apt-get and aptitude and things that go into sources.list ? |
| 16:49.36 | shauny | basically got lighttpd spawning fcgi processes, but it wont let go of them now and unsure of how to either reload the process or just stop it |
| 16:49.37 | keith4_ | dpkg: tell crypticmofo about debian-backports |
| 16:49.38 | babilen | shauny: I can't help you with spawn-fcgi and there might be a better channel, but *shrug*. We can't answer a question that hasn't been asked. |
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| 16:49.46 | babilen | !tell crypticmofo about backports |
| 16:49.59 | shauny | ah ok np |
| 16:50.19 | babilen | crypticmofo: Essentially newer packages from the upcoming Debian release that have been tailored to be installed on the current one without breaking the system. |
| 16:50.26 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 16:50.33 | keith4_ | still "official" |
| 16:50.37 | babilen | very official |
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| 16:51.23 | dislexi | hey I'm trying to solve a problem, I have an external ldap provider and in the external provider I've changed my username, now I can't login to my debian server using my username and when I login as root and su to my new username it displays oldusername@servername in the command prompt |
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| 16:53.01 | Zitter | why it finds scanner with sane-find-scanner but it doesn't with scanimage -L? saned, root, <user> are on scanner group http://pastie.org/5346608 |
| 16:53.57 | shauny | what's the debian command to list all running processes? |
| 16:54.02 | sney | shauny, ps aux |
| 16:54.07 | shauny | ty |
| 16:54.09 | sney | or other ps options: see man ps |
| 16:54.28 | sney | Zitter, try just scanning something. I've had scanimage throw that error too when the scanner was working fine |
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| 16:54.54 | Zitter | yes, from Xsane scans! But I would like to try it from command line |
| 16:55.52 | sney | then don't bother with -L, just try to use it |
| 16:56.20 | sney | scanimage >test.jpg |
| 16:56.22 | Zitter | yeah, you're right... |
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| 16:57.24 | Zitter | scanimage: no SANE devices found |
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| 17:00.11 | Brigo | hi, any howto for wordpress+wheezy using the new wordpress debian package, please? |
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| 17:00.47 | WDKevin | I updated my copy of debian squeeze and now my account is removed from sudoers and the root password is no longer worker. |
| 17:00.50 | Zitter | Brigo, is there a pkg for wordpress?! |
| 17:00.52 | WDKevin | working* |
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| 17:01.31 | Brigo | yes, at least for me ;-) |
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| 17:01.50 | dondelelcaro | WDKevin: you probably allowed /etc/sudoers to be overwritten with the copy that Debian distributes. |
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| 17:01.59 | WDKevin | now what? |
| 17:02.04 | dondelelcaro | WDKevin: if you don't remember the root password, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 17:02.10 | WDKevin | ok |
| 17:02.22 | WDKevin | thank you |
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| 17:02.56 | shauny | there must be some scientific link with hardstyle music and debian, i can't stop listening to it when in the os xD |
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| 17:04.48 | crypticmofo | so im still going thru the install and i see its installing openoffice .. i thought openoffice was decommsioned and libreoffice was in place now ? |
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| 17:14.12 | RxDx | please, I have a Wireless Router running Debian Squeeze with two wireless interfaces (wlan0 and wlan1)... How can I switch between devices? I mean, I wanna wlan0 device be wlan1, and wlan1 device be wlan0.. |
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| 17:14.56 | RxDx | i tried to change the /etc/udev/rules/rules70.... file, but for some reason (I dont know why) system got freezes.. |
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| 17:15.20 | WDKevin | dondelelcaro, i added the line to grub as per dpkg, do you know if i just do control x to boot now or control c for a command line? |
| 17:15.22 | ironmunk | better question is why you are trying to swap them over? |
| 17:15.41 | RxDx | ironmunk, me? |
| 17:15.45 | ironmunk | yes |
| 17:16.01 | RxDx | ironmunk, because wlan0 is a miniPCI device while wlan1 is a PCI device |
| 17:16.25 | RxDx | the miniPCI device has a better antenna signal.. it shoul be use to make the mesh (adhoc).. while the other will be an AP |
| 17:16.49 | ironmunk | so just specify that in your configuration files |
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| 17:16.56 | RxDx | ironmunk, which file? |
| 17:17.01 | RxDx | /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:17.01 | ironmunk | they are just labels for the devices |
| 17:17.13 | ironmunk | why would switching them be useful? |
| 17:17.23 | RxDx | i know.. I need to change those labels |
| 17:17.42 | ironmunk | why? |
| 17:17.44 | RxDx | ironmunk, cuz signal levels are differnt.. they will use different antennas |
| 17:17.56 | ironmunk | what does that have to do with the name? |
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| 17:18.24 | _martin | hi i compiled something which aborts when i command make |
| 17:18.27 | RxDx | ironmunk, all my services (hostapd, dhcp, iptables) are running by those "labels" |
| 17:18.31 | _martin | where can i see the log file? |
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| 17:19.01 | _martin | config.log was generated by ./configure and not make |
| 17:19.02 | pelicanhcp | Hi room, I am trying to run a home clustering Debian fork called PelicanHPC, but I can't boot up because the passwords I set during install never work for my first login. I've tried it 100x. Can anyone help? |
| 17:19.35 | ironmunk | RxDx, that is just the configuration of those services |
| 17:19.36 | ksk | pelicanhcp: not a debian question. but just boot into /bin/bash (google howto) and set password via passwd again |
| 17:19.46 | ironmunk | why not change them? |
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| 17:20.12 | pelicanhcp | ksk: Thanks I will try it. PelicanHCP's documentation says to use this IRC for support. |
| 17:20.13 | untrusted | debian's busybox has nothing to compare block devices? no cmp no diff - any suggestions? |
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| 17:20.30 | RxDx | ironmunk, change the configuration on each file? |
| 17:20.30 | ksk | pelicanhcp so dont do it. |
| 17:20.38 | untrusted | will use md5sum |
| 17:20.43 | pelicanhcp | ksk: don't do what? |
| 17:20.44 | RxDx | i mean, ill need to change it on hostapd.conf /etc/network/interfaces dhcpd.conf |
| 17:20.46 | RxDx | etc etc etc |
| 17:20.59 | RxDx | or can I just change wlan0 to wlan1? |
| 17:21.01 | ironmunk | potentially |
| 17:21.08 | RxDx | thats why im trying to change those labels |
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| 17:21.17 | ironmunk | I see |
| 17:21.51 | ironmunk | well look at udev rules |
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| 17:22.50 | jhutchins_wk | RxDx: Haven't really looked at the scrollback, but you can rename the interface easily. Just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 17:23.33 | RxDx | jhutchins_wk, yes.. I did it.. but for some reason (I dont know why) my system freezes when someone connects throw my AccessPoint |
| 17:23.49 | RxDx | it crashes, and I have to reboot it manually |
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| 17:24.04 | capitaninsaneoh | i added a user to sudo and it seemed to work but now when I do an apt-get update it says command not found |
| 17:24.04 | WDKevin | dondelelcaro, thank you so much. im back in my system. |
| 17:24.17 | WDKevin | capitaninsaneoh, type sudo before apt-get |
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| 17:24.35 | capitaninsaneoh | WDKevin, I did |
| 17:24.43 | ironmunk | sounds like a path issue? |
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| 17:25.01 | RxDx | jhutchins_wk, just a question.. if I remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file, it will be automatcly generated when my system reboots? |
| 17:26.47 | crypticmofo | i have a question |
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| 17:26.52 | crypticmofo | im at the end of the install right |
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| 17:27.57 | capitaninsaneoh | WDKevin, I forgot to install sudo... I"m a dumbass today |
| 17:28.00 | capitaninsaneoh | =X |
| 17:28.02 | WDKevin | lmao |
| 17:28.14 | capitaninsaneoh | tahnks |
| 17:28.14 | crypticmofo | i have grub on my arch system right .. i don't wnat to install grub in debian atm |
| 17:28.34 | crypticmofo | so im telling debian not to install grub |
| 17:28.38 | crypticmofo | its almost forceing me to install it |
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| 17:29.06 | Chousuke | eh. My laptop keyboard suddenly stopped responding |
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| 17:29.26 | dtcrshr | ill fresh install debin into my old compaq notebook. its disk is 250gb, im thinking about: 80gb ext4 /, 10gb xfs /tmp, 8gb swap, all left for /home, am I tripping? any other size suggestions for it? ill basically work with text documents, and some audio and video files |
| 17:29.35 | Chousuke | it got stuck repeating the character "r" until I plugged in a USB keyboard |
| 17:29.42 | rizlah | Does B3 have systemd? |
| 17:29.49 | Chousuke | and now it doesn't react to anything |
| 17:30.03 | crypticmofo | i think it forced grub |
| 17:30.04 | crypticmofo | rotfl |
| 17:30.11 | crypticmofo | its fine i will just re-set it on my arch install |
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| 17:31.09 | tempspace | Has anybody run into issues getting Squeeze installed on the new Sandy Bridge-EP processors? |
| 17:31.29 | Chousuke | re systemd, I wonder if there are any plans to update it to a more recent version any time soon |
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| 17:32.42 | jhutchins_wk | Chousuke: Why? |
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| 17:32.58 | crypticmofo | wow X worked right out of the box |
| 17:33.10 | RxDx | please, if I remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file, it will be automatcly generated when my system reboots? |
| 17:33.14 | jhutchins_wk | dtcrshr: Single partition + swap. Otherwise you're going to end up with the space you need on the wrong partition. |
| 17:34.00 | jhutchins_wk | RxDx: Yes. |
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| 17:34.11 | RxDx | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
| 17:34.18 | Chousuke | jhutchins_wk: well, the UI has been improved a bit :P and in general, I'm sure it's better to follow upstream rather than maintain a fork of an old version indefinitely. |
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| 17:34.20 | jhutchins_wk | I usually just remove the offending lines and leave the comments. |
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| 17:34.40 | Chousuke | I know it requires splitting udev and systemd which is not a fun task, though. (I've done it, though the result is an ugly hack so I haven't published the result.) |
| 17:34.57 | jhutchins_wk | Chousuke: I don't think Debian is on a fork, but no, it won't be updated in stable, and probably not in testing without a real compelling argument. |
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| 17:36.57 | Chousuke | I actually got my system booting with a newer systemd and udev. :) but I had to install the new libudev as libudev1 and leave the old libudev0 in place because I didn't feel like recompiling a bunch of packages. |
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| 17:38.23 | crypticmofo | guys after the install im booted to X .. i can't left click .. in a shell i did a vi /etc/sudoers and i keep hearing beeping and i can't type |
| 17:38.25 | crypticmofo | any ideas ? |
| 17:38.42 | Chousuke | I could actaully boot all the way to X and use the system, but then I think logind was conflicting a bit with gnome and every time I woke up my laptop from suspension, it'd suspend itself again immeadiately (and then wake up normally afterwards) |
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| 17:39.47 | Chousuke | I used it a bit but then decided to rollback (btrfs helps with experimentation) :P |
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| 17:40.40 | asarch | I recently installed Google Chrome in the system, however I would like to set Firefox as the default web browser, how can I do that? |
| 17:42.17 | WDKevin | in firefox itself there should be that option |
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| 17:42.26 | sdfdfsdf | salad cheese |
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| 17:45.23 | asarch | I mean, for the "Debian Sensible Browser" value (system-wide) |
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| 17:46.35 | mtn | asarch: there is usually a Preferred Applications section in your menu |
| 17:47.24 | Chousuke | asarch: update-alternatives? |
| 17:47.39 | Chousuke | I think it's x-www-browser |
| 17:49.37 | asarch | Thank you Chousuke |
| 17:49.40 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 17:49.46 | crypticmofo | i just installed i3-wm and im trying to startx my i3-wm but gdm keeps running |
| 17:49.52 | asarch | Thank you guys :-) |
| 17:49.58 | crypticmofo | does debian use rc.d or how does it run its services ? |
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| 17:50.29 | crypticmofo | killall gdm or kill -9 <pid> that i see the Xorg just goes back to gnome |
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| 17:51.42 | simonlnu | invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop |
| 17:51.46 | simonlnu | !nodm |
| 17:51.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 17:52.01 | crypticmofo | ok |
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| 17:57.10 | crypticmofo | omg this bell in terminal |
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| 17:57.20 | crypticmofo | set bell-style none isn't working |
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| 18:00.20 | crypticmofo | simonlnu, ok so im still conused |
| 18:00.24 | crypticmofo | s/conused/confused |
| 18:00.32 | crypticmofo | can i get a list of running services |
| 18:00.39 | crypticmofo | i know you said rc.d gdm3 stop right |
| 18:00.46 | crypticmofo | meanming there should be a /etc/rc.d right ? |
| 18:00.49 | simonlnu | check ps or top |
| 18:01.00 | simonlnu | no. /etc/init.d |
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| 18:04.22 | crypticmofo | ok this i what i have http://sprunce.us/AfBj |
| 18:04.34 | crypticmofo | sorry |
| 18:04.34 | crypticmofo | http://sprunge.us/AfBj |
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| 18:05.01 | crypticmofo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.10 | crypticmofo | so rc.d gdm3 stop ? |
| 18:05.20 | crypticmofo | will that keep it stopped after a reboot ? |
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| 18:09.07 | simonlnu | the "nodm" commands will. or you can update-rc.d gdm3 disable; or purge it (but that might break your gnome meta-package, and if you don't know how to handle that, don't do it) |
| 18:09.36 | simonlnu | it's still running, btw. are you logged in on it now? |
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| 18:11.32 | crypticmofo | i just editited my /etc/inittab to runlevel 3 |
| 18:11.42 | simonlnu | why? |
| 18:12.10 | crypticmofo | because im n ot understanding what to do |
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| 18:12.14 | crypticmofo | im all ears |
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| 18:13.22 | simonlnu | so don't do things a) because you don't understand b) that you might not understand. however, warning i'm not awake quite yet, so if i seem a little confusing it's because i'm not awake |
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| 18:14.03 | crypticmofo | ok so debian is very diff fro other distros |
| 18:14.10 | simonlnu | the bot, above, spat out some commands. if you scroll up, you'll see them. that update-rc.d command will remove all the symlinks |
| 18:14.25 | EyesIsMine | I've managed to make my debian chroot environment spit out segmentation faults on everything |
| 18:14.34 | EyesIsMine | ls gives a SIGSEGV |
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| 18:14.40 | simonlnu | but, it keeps them managed (it doesn't really remove them, it sets them all to KXX) |
| 18:14.41 | EyesIsMine | debootstrap just says Retrieving Release |
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| 18:15.12 | crypticmofo | i get an erro with update-rc.d gdm3 disable |
| 18:15.20 | crypticmofo | says cannone find a lsb script for gdm3 |
| 18:15.28 | simonlnu | squeeze? |
| 18:15.48 | simonlnu | EyesIsMine: start over |
| 18:15.52 | EyesIsMine | no |
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| 18:16.36 | simonlnu | it's a debootstrap, which seems to be very new, so i don't see a problem doing that |
| 18:16.50 | EyesIsMine | it's actually very old |
| 18:16.59 | EyesIsMine | i'm trying to recover it |
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| 18:17.14 | EyesIsMine | as the only things I saved from the old system are /usr /bin /home /sbin /lib |
| 18:17.33 | crypticmofo | that for me ? |
| 18:17.33 | simonlnu | oh, i see. you might want to chroot maybe, and update it... |
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| 18:17.37 | simonlnu | crypticmofo: no |
| 18:17.38 | EyesIsMine | I can't chroot it |
| 18:17.41 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 18:17.48 | EyesIsMine | everything crashes with sigsegv |
| 18:17.50 | simonlnu | EyesIsMine: different arch? |
| 18:17.52 | simonlnu | ah |
| 18:17.56 | EyesIsMine | nope, both amd64 |
| 18:18.01 | simonlnu | how old is it? |
| 18:18.08 | EyesIsMine | quite old |
| 18:18.16 | EyesIsMine | i've had this current system up for about 4 weeks |
| 18:18.17 | crypticmofo | i stopped it |
| 18:18.20 | crypticmofo | http://wiki.debian.org/GDM |
| 18:18.25 | EyesIsMine | before that I ran debian with 280d uptime |
| 18:18.30 | EyesIsMine | and backported 3.2 kernel |
| 18:18.32 | crypticmofo | i knows its temporary i will read up |
| 18:18.39 | simonlnu | make a new one, and copy your unique data to it |
| 18:18.55 | EyesIsMine | that's what i've done already |
| 18:18.58 | simonlnu | crypticmofo: ok. it's rather easy. |
| 18:19.06 | crypticmofo | http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon |
| 18:19.20 | simonlnu | EyesIsMine: and what happened? |
| 18:19.25 | EyesIsMine | this is what happened |
| 18:20.08 | simonlnu | yeh well, saving binaries from the old system is going to make things crash. also, your symlinks for your libs need updating |
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| 18:20.25 | EyesIsMine | i've already dd'd over the lvm partition to /dev/sda5 (the current one) |
| 18:20.33 | simonlnu | bets it's an ld.so symlink problem |
| 18:20.50 | EyesIsMine | should I just debootstrap in a new partition, copy my /home and compile the kernel |
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| 18:21.40 | simonlnu | start fresh, yes. and why are you building a kernel, for some virtualisation guest? |
| 18:21.52 | EyesIsMine | because I want to build a kernel |
| 18:21.59 | EyesIsMine | unless backports has 3.7 |
| 18:22.03 | simonlnu | okaay. heh |
| 18:22.26 | EyesIsMine | does it? |
| 18:23.00 | simonlnu | no |
| 18:23.41 | simonlnu | ok, brb |
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| 18:25.19 | ironm | hello. Please allow me one question. Is it possible to bring during "unused" eth interfaces up? (without giving them an IP address)? |
| 18:25.28 | cklein | hi, just downloaded the nightly build for the testing release (CD-ISO) and it is missing the kernel modules, anyone noticed? |
| 18:25.37 | ironm | I have in iterfaces like: |
| 18:25.40 | ironm | auto eth1 |
| 18:25.40 | ironm | iface eth1 inet manual |
| 18:25.42 | cklein | kde version that is |
| 18:25.45 | WDKevin | I'm not able to upgrade Debian now. I keep getting errors about Python 2.7. It suggests using apt-get -f install but it doesn't work. I can't remove python, upgrade it, or do anything with it. |
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| 18:26.04 | WDKevin | And no other packages will update either |
| 18:26.52 | cklein | WDKevin: are there any error messages regarding held back packages or package conflicts? |
| 18:27.10 | WDKevin | ill pastebin what i get |
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| 18:27.35 | WDKevin | cklein, http://pastebin.com/ZVKqkgxW |
| 18:27.45 | WDKevin | that is what i get after running apt-get -f install |
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| 18:31.00 | cklein | basically, the issue is with line 7+8, and line 3+4 also do not look that good. are you trying upgrading from current stable (squeeze) to testing? |
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| 18:32.40 | babilen | WDKevin: You have a local python installation in /usr/local/python2.7/ -- Remove that (or at least make sure that it is *not* in the path) and you should be fine. |
| 18:32.40 | cklein | WDKevin: ? (see above) |
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| 18:33.49 | babilen | WDKevin: It is, typically, quite a good idea to remove /usr/local/bin/python for example |
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| 18:34.11 | WDKevin | sorry guys |
| 18:34.15 | WDKevin | yes, i did have squeeze |
| 18:34.19 | WDKevin | and i updated |
| 18:34.25 | WDKevin | i removed squeeze from my sources |
| 18:34.39 | WDKevin | babilen, so just removed /usr/local/bin/python? |
| 18:34.43 | babilen | WDKevin: And what are you actually doing there? Which command is that the output of? |
| 18:34.50 | babilen | WDKevin: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:34.58 | WDKevin | its the end of the output from an apt-get -f install |
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| 18:35.16 | WDKevin | well it started by me trying to install sendmail |
| 18:35.19 | babilen | WDKevin: And what did you do before that? |
| 18:36.02 | WDKevin | update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
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| 18:36.23 | babilen | WDKevin: Are you trying to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 18:36.36 | cklein | babilen: yes he does :D |
| 18:37.00 | WDKevin | no |
| 18:37.08 | cklein | no? |
| 18:37.10 | babilen | is getting mixed messages here |
| 18:37.18 | WDKevin | i had at one time put wheezy in my sources to get python2.7 installed |
| 18:37.23 | simonlnu | is getting no messages |
| 18:37.49 | WDKevin | then i followed this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=87463 |
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| 18:38.17 | babilen | WDKevin: You thereby successfully broke your system! Could you paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy python2.7-minimal apt libc6 multiarch-support" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 18:38.22 | WDKevin | i updated my sources.list to whats suggested in the post |
| 18:38.28 | WDKevin | sure |
| 18:38.36 | cklein | uhm, so you say, you did an update, then upgrade, changed the sources to point to wheezy, and then dist-upgraded? |
| 18:38.44 | babilen | WDKevin: So you *are* trying to upgrade to wheezy/testing ? |
| 18:38.45 | WDKevin | no |
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| 18:38.54 | WDKevin | the sources were pointing to wheezy a few weeks ago |
| 18:39.04 | WDKevin | today i tried to install sendmail and got compatibility errors so itried to upgrade |
| 18:39.13 | WDKevin | i got a few errors that led me to the post i linked above |
| 18:39.48 | babilen | and then? (could you also please paste the information I asked about earlier?) |
| 18:40.16 | WDKevin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/207561/ |
| 18:40.21 | WDKevin | thats the result of the command you had me run |
| 18:40.54 | WDKevin | http://paste.debian.net/207562/ |
| 18:40.57 | WDKevin | thats my sources.list |
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| 18:41.15 | babilen | WDKevin: May I also see your sources.list and the output of "aptitude search ~U", "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~b" ? |
| 18:41.32 | cklein | seems to me as if you were still on testing/wheezy |
| 18:41.35 | WDKevin | i just pasted sources.list above |
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| 18:42.19 | WDKevin | aptitutde search ~U : http://paste.debian.net/207564/ |
| 18:42.41 | babilen | WDKevin: Just put it all in a single pastebin. Its much easier to help you if I have all information in a single tab :) |
| 18:42.48 | WDKevin | aptitutde search ~o : http://paste.debian.net/207565/ |
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| 18:44.17 | crypticmofo | im trying to run i3-wm right im talking to the actually pepole who made it they told me to update to testing debian |
| 18:44.24 | crypticmofo | do i need to add repos in my sources.list ? |
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| 18:44.40 | cklein | WDKevin: it seems that you have a mixed distribution installed, unless you did the dist-upgrade when switching to testing/wheezy |
| 18:44.48 | WDKevin | i did it today |
| 18:44.52 | babilen | ,v i3-wm |
| 18:44.53 | judd | Package: i3-wm on i386 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.2-1; wheezy: 4.2-1; experimental: 4.3-1 |
| 18:44.54 | crypticmofo | im on squeeze righ tnow |
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| 18:45.34 | babilen | crypticmofo: You can install a recent version of i3 from backports (/msg dpkg backport ; /msg dpkg bdo) -- I would recommend to do that unless you really want to upgrade to testing. (/msg dpkg testing ; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 18:45.44 | cklein | WDKevin: referring back to the initial comment by babilen, stating that you might have a local installation of python available, manually installed one by any chance? |
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| 18:46.00 | babilen | cklein: No, that was my mistake (I think) |
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| 18:46.05 | WDKevin | cklein, very possible |
| 18:46.09 | WDKevin | and i dont mind removing it |
| 18:46.10 | babilen | WDKevin: What about "aptitude search ~b" ? |
| 18:46.16 | babilen | WDKevin: Please remove it. |
| 18:46.17 | rzs19 | hello |
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| 18:46.29 | WDKevin | babilen, i tried and i get the same error |
| 18:46.32 | rzs19 | is there a mirror for debian, which contains a newer version of kde4? |
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| 18:46.56 | babilen | WDKevin: You tried what and which error do you get? You shouldn't get an error if you run "aptitude search ~b" though. If you do, please show me. |
| 18:46.57 | WDKevin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/207566/ |
| 18:47.07 | WDKevin | no not on that, i meant on removing python |
| 18:47.11 | WDKevin | the -b output is above ^ |
| 18:47.37 | WDKevin | when i try to remove i get the exact same dependencies error |
| 18:47.59 | RichardRaseley_ | Can someone point me to a direct download of the wheezy netinstall (amd64) ISO? All I can see is the squeeze and then I would have to do a dist-upgrade... |
| 18:48.03 | crypticmofo | umm |
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| 18:48.15 | babilen | WDKevin: Ok, may I see "apt-cache policy apt-listbugs" please? What does "apt-get install python2.7" give you? |
| 18:48.42 | WDKevin | install python2.7 gives me the same dependencies message too |
| 18:48.43 | babilen | WDKevin: And pop in "apt-get dist-upgrade" while you're at it. (single paste for all commands + output) |
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| 18:49.02 | cklein | WDKevin: what does dpkg -l | grep python return, could you please paste that? |
| 18:49.03 | WDKevin | ok, one second |
| 18:49.13 | babilen | WDKevin: Err, I meant "apt-cache policy apt-listchanges" not apt-listbugs :) |
| 18:49.28 | WDKevin | ok |
| 18:49.31 | WDKevin | listchanges is very small |
| 18:49.41 | WDKevin | http://paste.debian.net/207568/ |
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| 18:50.00 | nsadmin | RichardRaseley_, what's wrong with that? you can install base only squeece (make sure nothing is selected in the extra software download), then upgrade (after which you'll have wheezy base only) then run tasksel after that |
| 18:50.02 | WDKevin | dist-upgrade gave the same dependencies error |
| 18:50.26 | RichardRaseley_ | nsadmin: I just thought I could skip a step and just go directly to wheezy. |
| 18:50.39 | WDKevin | cklein, http://paste.debian.net/207569/ <- your output |
| 18:51.03 | nsadmin | you can do that... there's a beta2 and I think also a beta3... I once used the beta2 |
| 18:51.28 | nsadmin | dunno where any of that is tho |
| 18:51.40 | RichardRaseley_ | nsadmin: Yeah, I can't find it either... |
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| 18:53.00 | babilen | WDKevin: Could you paste "ls -la /usr/lib/python2.7/" and "ls -la /usr/local/lib/python2.7" please? |
| 18:53.07 | WDKevin | sure |
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| 18:53.56 | crypticmofo | oh wow |
| 18:54.05 | crypticmofo | babilen, this backport worked perfect |
| 18:54.12 | crypticmofo | my i3-wm is fine |
| 18:54.26 | WDKevin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/207570/ |
| 18:54.37 | babilen | crypticmofo: Wonderful, enjoy! |
| 18:54.44 | WDKevin | the second command just says no such file or directory |
| 18:54.44 | RichardRaseley_ | nsadmin: Would you not install a GUI or common or extra tools (I forget - the bottom option in the GUI install)? |
| 18:55.03 | crypticmofo | so stable is just a stable os right babilen backports are things or stuff that worked in other versions just not in stable right ? |
| 18:55.15 | babilen | !tell crypticmofo -about stable |
| 18:55.18 | babilen | !tell crypticmofo -about backports |
| 18:56.05 | WDKevin | i have a /usr/local/lib/python2.6 |
| 18:56.06 | WDKevin | but not a 2.7 |
| 18:56.24 | crypticmofo | babilen, know what im startring to think archlinux is a crutch o_O |
| 18:56.44 | cklein | WDKevin: the output by dpkg -l states clearly that all of your python 2.7 packages are in desired Install state and are currently being Unpacked. |
| 18:56.59 | WDKevin | cklein, huh? |
| 18:57.09 | WDKevin | they were installed weeks, if not months ago |
| 18:57.10 | nsadmin | RichardRaseley_ up to you. do you want a gui? |
| 18:57.13 | cklein | WDKevin: see the lines beginning with a iU? |
| 18:57.34 | RichardRaseley_ | I do - I just didn't know if it would be "cleaner" to do it after the dist-upgrade. |
| 18:57.48 | cklein | WDKevin: if they had been installed correctly, then it would read ii |
| 18:57.57 | WDKevin | hrmm |
| 18:58.03 | WDKevin | cklein, so how can i get rid of them or fix htem? |
| 18:58.19 | cklein | looking into that right now |
| 18:58.27 | WDKevin | ok |
| 18:58.40 | WDKevin | im starving, lol. 2 hours late to lunch because of this fiasco |
| 18:58.50 | crypticmofo | now to get wifi working |
| 18:58.51 | crypticmofo | :D |
| 18:59.16 | crypticmofo | why is aptitutde prefred over apt-get it seems very easy to use apt-get |
| 18:59.29 | babilen | WDKevin: Ok. May I see "ls -la /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/" please? |
| 19:00.07 | WDKevin | only 5 files |
| 19:00.13 | WDKevin | 2 .egg's, a readme and 2 .pth's |
| 19:00.13 | erann | crypticmofo: aptitude is usually smarter about dependencies and more helpful when problems arise. |
| 19:00.25 | WDKevin | still want it pastebin'd? |
| 19:00.32 | crypticmofo | erann, i need to learn how to use it |
| 19:00.33 | babilen | crypticmofo: It is not. Use whatever you are comfortable with. Both programs have their merits and problems (see "/msg dpkg why aptitude", "/msg dpkg aptitude search" and "/msg dpkg why not aptitude") -- I typically use apt-get unless I need aptitude's interactive resolver or search syntax. |
| 19:00.39 | crypticmofo | thats later i need to get wifi working |
| 19:00.40 | babilen | WDKevin: Yes, please. |
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| 19:01.13 | WDKevin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/207571/ |
| 19:01.37 | cklein | WDKevin: please do a 'dpkg -r' on the packages listed as iU, i.e. python python-apt python-dev python-minimal python2.7 python2.7-dev libpython2.7 libboost-mpi-python-dev, resolving any dependencies manually |
| 19:01.41 | babilen | WDKevin: Could it be that you installed easy_install and virtualenv manually? |
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| 19:01.54 | babilen | WDKevin: setuptools that is |
| 19:02.10 | babilen | cklein: hang on |
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| 19:02.48 | WDKevin | yea, vmtools was installed manually |
| 19:03.20 | babilen | WDKevin: I am asking about python's virtualenv and setuptools -- What is this "vmtools" you refer to? And how did you install it manually? |
| 19:03.33 | WDKevin | ah, nevermind |
| 19:03.36 | WDKevin | vmtools was the vmware stuff |
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| 19:03.50 | rubin110 | What's debian's default dhcp client? |
| 19:04.04 | babilen | WDKevin: Ok, did you use easy_install to install virtualenv? Do those two ring a bell? |
| 19:04.14 | WDKevin | easy_install absolutely rings a bell |
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| 19:04.20 | WDKevin | virtualenv doesnt, but easy_install for sure |
| 19:04.24 | WDKevin | i know ive used easy_install |
| 19:04.33 | babilen | WDKevin: To do what? |
| 19:04.51 | WDKevin | honestly, i dont remember |
| 19:05.06 | WDKevin | it was probably part of a guide i followed |
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| 19:05.24 | cklein | babilen: I think that using easy_install or pypi or pip is rather unrelated, or is it not? |
| 19:05.30 | babilen | WDKevin: You know that you *really* shouldn't use easy_install -- Particularly not to install anything system-wide. *Always* use pip and use it *inside* a virtualenv. You might also want to use virtualenwrapper, but that is unimportant now. |
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| 19:05.37 | th3pun15h3r | hey has anyone had any luck installing the steam beta client on debian wheezy amd64? |
| 19:05.56 | WDKevin | babilen, if i used easy_install it would have been for a php library most likely |
| 19:06.10 | babilen | cklein: No, the error stems from those horrible eggs that somehow entered the system. I am still trying to get an idea of what WDKevin has done to break his/her system so horribly. |
| 19:06.13 | cklein | erm python that it... |
| 19:06.14 | WDKevin | im thinking maybe apc used it |
| 19:06.41 | WDKevin | well |
| 19:06.42 | WDKevin | in hindsight |
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| 19:06.49 | WDKevin | i can roll back to yesterdays snapshot and start over |
| 19:06.57 | WDKevin | that'd be pre dist-upgrade |
| 19:07.03 | WDKevin | and pre sources.list being changed |
| 19:07.13 | cklein | WDKevin have you tried to remove the faulty packages manually using dpkg -r and start all over? |
| 19:07.18 | babilen | WDKevin: Ok, could you try the following. Please move /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ somewhere safe. (e.g. "mkdir ~/python-fuckup/ ; mv /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ ~/python-fuckup/" and re-run "apt-get install python2.7" please? |
| 19:07.24 | WDKevin | cklein, no i didnt |
| 19:07.29 | babilen | WDKevin: What is apc? |
| 19:07.38 | WDKevin | sure, ill try it now |
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| 19:07.40 | cklein | WDKevin would give it a try before rolling back the filesystem :D |
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| 19:07.56 | WDKevin | apc (i may have the letters wrong) is a caching library for php |
| 19:08.08 | babilen | WDKevin: Could you point me to the Debian library for that? |
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| 19:08.12 | babilen | s/library/package/ |
| 19:08.16 | cklein | WDKevin: easy_install is python |
| 19:08.23 | babilen | ,i php-apc |
| 19:08.24 | judd | Package php-apc (php, optional) in squeeze/i386: APC (Alternative PHP Cache) module for PHP 5. Version: 3.1.3p1-2; Size: 76.0k; Installed: 212k; Homepage: http://pecl.php.net/package/APC |
| 19:08.28 | babilen | That ^^ > |
| 19:08.51 | peterrooney | I think the entire distribution would benefit if sources.list had a comment to the effect that mixing stable and testing is almost always guaranteed to create problems. |
| 19:09.01 | cklein | lolz |
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| 19:09.17 | WDKevin | i just moved python then did the install |
| 19:09.22 | WDKevin | same exact dependency error |
| 19:09.40 | WDKevin | but -f install just worked |
| 19:09.43 | babilen | WDKevin: You moved "python" ? May I see your commands and the exact output please? |
| 19:09.44 | cklein | i remember having one guy telling me to intermix between different distributions, namely ubuntu and debian ... the end result was predictable, but he insisted :D |
| 19:10.36 | WDKevin | well |
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| 19:10.43 | WDKevin | it somewhat appears working now |
| 19:11.01 | WDKevin | moving the python folder and then using -f install |
| 19:11.07 | cklein | did you dpkg -r or just move the /usr/lib/python* stuff to somewhere else? |
| 19:11.11 | WDKevin | just moved it |
| 19:11.29 | babilen | WDKevin: Please ... I am trying to help you, but I don't see your screen and what you are doing. I am beginning to see a clear picture and understand what the problem on your box was/is, but I can't keep that in sync with reality if you don't communicate. |
| 19:11.49 | WDKevin | wth? |
| 19:12.01 | babilen | WDKevin: In short: Just paste your commands + output :) |
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| 19:12.28 | WDKevin | they've rolled off the screen, but i copy pasted your commands and used exactly what you wrote |
| 19:12.35 | WDKevin | and the output was just a move confirmation |
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| 19:13.17 | babilen | And the error was *exactly* the same? (for "apt-get install python2.7" ?) You then followed up with "apt-get -f install" which managed to install and configure a number of broken packages? |
| 19:13.33 | babilen | WDKevin: Are you not able to scroll in your shell? |
| 19:13.39 | WDKevin | not that gar |
| 19:13.40 | WDKevin | far* |
| 19:13.51 | babilen | recommends to change the buffer size |
| 19:13.59 | cklein | dont say you are using putty on a windows system? |
| 19:14.08 | WDKevin | yes |
| 19:14.12 | cklein | *arg* |
| 19:14.16 | cklein | :D |
| 19:14.21 | AimHere | Putty is bad now? |
| 19:14.22 | babilen | WDKevin: Ok, could you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" now and show me the output of that? (please adjust your line buffer before that) |
| 19:14.24 | WDKevin | beats the hell out of using vsphere console |
| 19:14.28 | AimHere | It used to be the go-to ssh/telnet client |
| 19:14.48 | babilen | (on windows) |
| 19:14.56 | AimHere | Yes, on windows |
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| 19:15.19 | cklein | nah, you can always adjust your buffers on putty, or am i right? |
| 19:15.33 | cklein | s/right/correct/ |
| 19:15.37 | babilen | has no idea, but would be surprised if that is not possible |
| 19:15.41 | Hydroxide | it's still available on linux and has some cool putty-only features like the ability to change more during a running session than openssh, plus it works for serial |
| 19:15.44 | Hydroxide | it's even in debian |
| 19:15.47 | Hydroxide | but, yeah, I usually use openssh on linux myself |
| 19:15.54 | WDKevin | you can change buffers on putty |
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| 19:16.25 | cklein | WDKevin: what does dpkg -l | grep python yield now? |
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| 19:16.53 | babilen | WDKevin: Either way, please run the dist-upgrade and show us the output of that and "aptitude search ~b ; aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o" please |
| 19:17.00 | WDKevin | im doing dist-upgrade now |
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| 19:22.51 | i_tarzan | I have a build done, non existent package on http://packages.debian.org/search |
| 19:23.21 | babilen | i_tarzan: Could you paraphrase that question please. I couldn't quite understand it. |
| 19:23.22 | i_tarzan | how to package it,test and commit ? |
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| 19:23.35 | babilen | Package what? |
| 19:24.04 | i_tarzan | babilen: a new c/python build |
| 19:24.30 | babilen | i_tarzan: You build a "new" python package? |
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| 19:24.51 | i_tarzan | no a new app |
| 19:25.02 | i_tarzan | from sourceforge |
| 19:25.14 | babilen | i_tarzan: You packages a python application for Debian and would like to see it uploaded to the Debian archive? |
| 19:25.19 | babilen | *packaged |
| 19:25.38 | i_tarzan | rigth , no .deb exists so I have binaries already |
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| 19:26.44 | i_tarzan | how to package it,test and commit ? |
| 19:27.08 | babilen | i_tarzan: Ok. The procedure to get a new package into Debian is explained in detail on : http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers -- I would recommend to upload your package there, make sure that it conforms with Debian policy (and the Python policy) and request a sponsor. You might want to discuss that process and your packaging in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:27.23 | babilen | i_tarzan: Did you create the Debian package already? |
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| 19:28.03 | i_tarzan | no I need know how on how to make .deb from binary |
| 19:28.57 | babilen | i_tarzan: .deb packages are *not* generated from binaries, but you package source code. That is explained in detail in the New Maintainer's Guide and the other packaging tutorials linked on the mentors page. |
| 19:29.15 | babilen | i_tarzan: You probably also want to read http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam |
| 19:29.24 | babilen | i_tarzan: Which application is that btw? |
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| 19:30.19 | i_tarzan | http://sourceforge.net/projects/christine |
| 19:30.55 | i_tarzan | ain't them made of source+binaries ? |
| 19:31.28 | babilen | i_tarzan: Yeah, read the new maintainer's guide and the rest of the documentation to learn how to package that. What do you plan to use the package for? Would you like to maintain that software in Debian? |
| 19:32.16 | i_tarzan | no just to upload somewhere that .deb |
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| 19:32.32 | babilen | i_tarzan: Whatfor? |
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| 19:34.02 | babilen | i_tarzan: Creating a policy conformant and good Debian package is quite some work if you haven't done it before and you have to learn quite a lot. It is, in the end, not that hard, but you have to learn it first. If you just want a quick and dirt "Debian" package you can use checkinstall for that (/msg dpkg checkinstall) |
| 19:34.11 | i_tarzan | i will try to add it on sourceforge |
| 19:34.31 | i_tarzan | on rpm there are ui tools to make them |
| 19:34.41 | babilen | i_tarzan: Well, read the documentation (new maintainer's guide and the rest) and start packaging. |
| 19:34.43 | i_tarzan | which ones are there for .deb |
| 19:34.44 | i_tarzan | ? |
| 19:35.12 | babilen | There are none ... Packaging is not just "click here, done". |
| 19:35.33 | cklein | i_tarzan: with dpkg it is rather simple, but the lot here requires source packages in order to be able to patch them with some regression not found in the original packages and what not :D *just kidding* |
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| 19:40.41 | cklein | i_tarzan: have a look at dpkg-deb and the documentation that comes with it |
| 19:41.02 | cklein | i_tarzan: and make sure that you have a decent 'ar' tool installed, not some buggy old stuff |
| 19:42.27 | babilen | cklein: That is probably the worst possible approach. Why do that work manually if you can create shitty packages with checkinstall? |
| 19:42.45 | babilen | (sorry, don't meant it to be that harsh) |
| 19:42.58 | cklein | babilen: to learn the basics, never mind the language :D |
| 19:44.18 | cklein | babilen: how to create and author the package manifest, the build structure, the post-pre and whatnot scripts and so on |
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| 19:45.36 | babilen | cklein: I'd much rather read the NMG, Policy and debhelper documentation. |
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| 19:46.01 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 19:46.13 | babilen | welcome |
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| 19:46.56 | Andy80 | what's the difference between debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ? Has the first one GNOME as default DE? Wasn't already changed to XFCE? Thanks |
| 19:47.04 | cklein | babilen: this might come later, but as he is not going to be a maintainer of the debian package but just a provider (in-source) using setup.py to be able to build the source package, i think that this should be enough input for the time being |
| 19:47.21 | gour | can reportbug use msmtp for mailing? |
| 19:47.30 | cklein | basoom: to quote bart: i didn't do it. |
| 19:47.56 | cklein | barsoom: to quote bart: i didn't do it. |
| 19:48.05 | babilen | Andy80: The default DE has *not* been changed and will, most likely, not be changed for wheezy. You suspect in that the former will install Gnome (but it doesn't contain *all* necessary packages to do that, you'd need internet access or DVD1) and the latter install XFCE (should contain LXDE as well) |
| 19:48.47 | babilen | gour: It can just mail it directly to Debian's servers. Run "reportbug --configure" and don't configure your own SMTP server. You can, however, also use msmtp" |
| 19:49.04 | Andy80 | babilen, perfect, thanks. I will choose the second image then. I want to install it on an old netbook and I prefer a light DE (XFCE), thanks :) |
| 19:49.20 | Andy80 | what sh*** am I sayin :D ? |
| 19:49.36 | Andy80 | ok... the bot is drunk :P |
| 19:49.45 | babilen | Andy80: I have no idea what shit you are saying ... bot is drunk? |
| 19:49.52 | gour | babilen: i was entering bug details and selected 'yes' for having mailer setup, but nothing was sent |
| 19:50.06 | babilen | gour: Just select "no" and it should work (better) |
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| 19:50.20 | babilen | Andy80: Do you have internet access during the installation and does your hardware need firmware? |
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| 19:50.55 | rizlah | GNOME 3 IS THE BEST SERIOUSLY WOW STOP TRYING TO CHANGE IT |
| 19:51.08 | babilen | rizlah: Take is elsewhere |
| 19:51.10 | babilen | *it |
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| 19:51.22 | Andy80 | babilen, yes I have internet access (I hope the wifi card will be recognized... on Ubuntu at least it is... but who knows). I don't remember I needed any particular firmware... |
| 19:51.42 | rizlah | xD. Habit after the whole "let's break a functioning DE" situation. |
| 19:51.43 | gour | re-configured reportbug...let me try it |
| 19:51.55 | babilen | Andy80: Ok, are you running linux on that box right now? |
| 19:52.03 | rizlah | barsoom: Why do you keep saying that? |
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| 19:52.27 | rizlah | ROFL "-barsoom- Hey rizlah ! don't say shit on #debian please, thanks" everytime I say something |
| 19:52.35 | babilen | rizlah: Drop it. Now! |
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| 19:52.56 | Andy80 | babilen, yes I'm on a Linux machine right now (desktop PC) |
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| 19:53.21 | babilen | Andy80: Hehe, that doesn't really help. No I meant on the box you plan to install Debian on :) |
| 19:54.07 | Andy80 | babilen, no, there is Windows7 (yeah dear bot, now you will be right if you say that I'm talking about shit :P ) right now :) |
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| 19:56.17 | cklein | Andy80: based on your wifi card, you might need to dist-upgrade to debian/wheezy. Ubuntu uses a lot of the newer drivers . Had that experience with some sitecom based mini wifi adapters in the past. Since then I moved over to centos and a cable based network :D |
| 19:56.26 | babilen | Andy80: Well, ok. You can either use the netinstall with firmware (if needed) from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta3/ which would download everyhting you need from the internet during the isntallation or use the XFCE CD1 and supply firmware as detailed in "/msg dpkg installer firmware" |
| 19:56.44 | babilen | cklein: AFAIU Andy80 is installing wheezy anyway :) |
| 19:57.04 | cklein | babilen: missed that point, thanks |
| 19:57.05 | babilen | !tell Andy80 -about install xfce4 |
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| 19:57.26 | barsoom | good job Andy80 ! install wheezy! squeeze sucks |
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| 19:57.56 | cklein | barsoom:don't say suck on #debian, kthx |
| 19:58.18 | barsoom | lol, all right |
| 19:58.28 | barsoom | just kiddin' ! debian rules |
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| 19:58.59 | gour | amanda is configured to run under 'backup' system user which has default shell (dash). do you recommend to keep it as such or switch to (my)default zsh? i do miss command history and such things with dash...or do i mi something? |
| 19:59.34 | babilen | barsoom: Could you please stay quiet if you don't intend to help? Please also stop messaging people (such as rizlah). |
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| 19:59.58 | barsoom | babilen: all right |
| 19:59.58 | cklein | barsoom: no offense taken |
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| 20:00.18 | rizlah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.22 | rizlah | <rizlah> |
| 20:00.22 | rizlah | -barsoom- Hey rizlah ! don't say shit on #debian please, thanks |
| 20:00.28 | rizlah | -barsoom- Hey rizlah ! don't say shit on #debian please, thanks |
| 20:00.34 | babilen | ... |
| 20:00.35 | rizlah | Thx bro |
| 20:00.42 | rizlah | That is the shit he sends me after every message |
| 20:00.42 | cklein | yeah, i get the same stuff here |
| 20:00.49 | barsoom | rizlah don't flood or spam the channel, use pastebin instead |
| 20:00.54 | Spec | hehe. |
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| 20:01.11 | cklein | script kiddy |
| 20:01.16 | rizlah | Go suck dick you little faggot. Stop sending me shit. |
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| 20:01.52 | babilen | rizlah: Please calm down and keep it civil. You have been quieted for 10 minutes. |
| 20:02.22 | cklein | babilen: make this happen for barsoom, too as he is the culprit spamming everybody with these "don't say shit" messages |
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| 20:04.58 | Andy80 | cklein, but I'm downloading the weekly image of the Debian testing... I suppose it's quite updated :) |
| 20:05.18 | babilen | Andy80: I would strongly recommend to use the beta3 and not the weekly |
| 20:05.35 | Andy80 | anyway is a spare PC, I can do experiments on it... |
| 20:05.51 | Leoneof | babilen: any link for beta3? |
| 20:05.56 | cklein | Andy80: on virtual box this would not install, also on a windows 7 machine here, due to missing kernel modules |
| 20:05.57 | Andy80 | babilen, why not the weekly? It would be upgraded anyway if it's testing... |
| 20:06.23 | babilen | Leoneof: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (without firmware) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ (with firmware) |
| 20:06.23 | cklein | Andy80: the deeply linked netinstall version did work, though |
| 20:06.50 | Leoneof | babilen: thanks |
| 20:06.55 | babilen | Andy80: Because we actually try to offer a working installer with the betas :) |
| 20:07.48 | gour | babilen: beta3 worked nicely here (raid-1/lvm setup) and we're very pleased with it and wheezy itself ;) |
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| 20:08.03 | Andy80 | babilen, ah ok :) so... I get the beta3... then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and I will be running the Debian testing with daily packages, right? |
| 20:08.13 | babilen | gour: Wonderful |
| 20:08.28 | cklein | babilen: the weekly kde distribution is defective, the kernel modules are missing, why not remove that 700MB download from your site? |
| 20:08.48 | Leoneof | babilen: it's possible to download normally with jigdo? i don't have old copy. |
| 20:08.54 | babilen | Andy80: Make it "apt-get dist-upgrade" and you are golden. Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable (and take support questions to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:09.05 | babilen | Leoneof: No idea, I never use jigdo |
| 20:09.12 | Leoneof | okay |
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| 20:09.34 | Andy80 | babilen, uhm... the beta3 iso is only 265 Mb... what's missing :) ? |
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| 20:10.15 | Andy80 | btw I'm curious to try the weekly too :) as I said... it's a spare machine, for experiments |
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| 20:10.55 | babilen | Andy80: It is a netinstall image -- it will download everything it needs from the internet (if you refer to the one with firmware) -- See also "/msg dpkg install xfce4" to learn how to configure it to install XFCE when you install the Desktop task. You can download larger images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (those don't contain firmware and you would ahve to supply it seperately "/msg dpkg installer firmware") |
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| 20:11.33 | Leoneof | i had like to download all these dvds for offline purpose http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta3/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
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| 20:12.32 | Andy80 | babilen, when you talk about "firmware", which kind of firmware/drivers are you referring to? Is there a list somewhere on the wiki where I can see what drivers/firmwares are included in the "firmware" version? Thanks |
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| 20:12.47 | babilen | Andy80: Hmm, hang on. |
| 20:12.58 | Leoneof | i guess it's just 6mb |
| 20:13.06 | cklein | Andy80: which specific device do you have? |
| 20:13.24 | cklein | lol |
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| 20:13.39 | cklein | 6mb for a dvd? |
| 20:13.48 | Leoneof | no, just nonfree-firmware |
| 20:13.54 | Leoneof | one package |
| 20:14.18 | Andy80 | cklein, Lenovo Ideapad S10-3t |
| 20:14.45 | babilen | Andy80: If you check on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ you can download the " tarballs of common firmware packages." -- Unpack it and you'll see http://paste.debian.net/207588/ in there. If your hardware needs any of that, you require it too. |
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| 20:15.22 | babilen | Andy80: Is internet working during the installation and would you be able to connect via ethernet if wireless is (for whatever reason) not working? |
| 20:16.00 | Andy80 | babilen, I can use an eth cable... I'm less then 1 meter far from my router :) |
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| 20:16.25 | cklein | Andy80: Atheros AR9285? |
| 20:16.43 | EyesIsMine | If i've installed systemd, can I remove sysvinit? |
| 20:16.46 | crypticmofo | i can search a ackport right ? |
| 20:16.51 | crypticmofo | backport* |
| 20:16.53 | Andy80 | cklein, let me check... |
| 20:17.00 | crypticmofo | apt-cache -t search ? |
| 20:17.44 | cklein | Andy80: atheros support seems to be ok, AFAIK, but only tested it with one adapter gotten from my defective HP notebook |
| 20:17.53 | babilen | Andy80: I would just download the netinstall image with firmware then. Configure it to install XFCE ("Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" from the boot meny) and off you go! |
| 20:18.33 | babilen | Andy80: The beta3 support wireless networks and it might just work, just wanted to make sure that you can use that install if it wouldn't work (for whatever reason) |
| 20:18.36 | gour | does (da)sh has command history and editing capabilities? |
| 20:18.55 | cklein | babilen: do you have a link to that image? the new(?) site structure makes it hard to get to the correct images... |
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| 20:19.15 | Andy80 | ok, grabbing this one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-b3-i386-netinst.iso :) |
| 20:19.39 | babilen | cklein: ^^^ |
| 20:19.47 | cklein | :) |
| 20:20.28 | jhutchins_wk | 2 |
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| 20:22.32 | tombar | Any tip on how can i install phpmyadmin package and ignore its silly dependencie for libapache2-mod-php5 ? im running nginx but apache is installed on squeeze :S |
| 20:22.54 | cklein | tombar: install it from source? |
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| 20:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if it'll run on nginx |
| 20:23.30 | tombar | i would like to install pma from package to keep it updated |
| 20:23.50 | tombar | jhutchins_wk: it does :D 100% sure about it |
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| 20:23.57 | jhutchins_wk | tombar: There's a way to fool the package database into thinking something's installed... |
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| 20:24.08 | cklein | tombar: otherwise just install it by ignoring any dependencies, downloading the debian package and using dpkg, manually |
| 20:24.24 | jhutchins_wk | tombar: If you already have apache anyway, why worry about mod-php? |
| 20:24.37 | crypticmofo | ok im back so on my old system i was running weechat 0.3.9 right .. in squeeze stabe i only have 0.3.2 .. i did a aptituide -t squeeze-backports i only get up to 0.3.8 |
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| 20:24.52 | crypticmofo | i found 0.3.9 on sid |
| 20:24.57 | crypticmofo | can i mix sid with squeeze ? |
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| 20:25.11 | babilen | crypticmofo: NO! Never do that. |
| 20:25.18 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 20:25.23 | crypticmofo | babilen, so what are my options |
| 20:25.24 | babilen | (or testing/wheezy) |
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| 20:25.36 | babilen | crypticmofo: Do you *really* need 0.3.9 ? |
| 20:25.38 | crypticmofo | so squeeze stay with squeeze ? |
| 20:25.48 | crypticmofo | well babilen i have a lot of plugins and scripts i loved |
| 20:25.53 | crypticmofo | i can rebuild them but im trying to just get it to work |
| 20:25.56 | crypticmofo | i can try 0.3.8 |
| 20:25.59 | babilen | crypticmofo: And they don't work on .8 ? |
| 20:26.05 | crypticmofo | i haven't ried |
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| 20:26.22 | cklein | crypticmofo: no backport of that version is available, btw. backporting means that a newer package is made available to an older version of the same distribution, even meaning to patch existing sources so that it work with the available kernel versions and other shared/static libraries thereof |
| 20:26.47 | babilen | crypticmofo: I would recommend to use the version in backports -- everything else is a lot of work and .. well .. subptimal. Just *never* mix stable/squeeze with anything but backports. You *will* break your system. |
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| 20:27.04 | tombar | cklein: afaiu next time i run a apt-get update dependencies will be fetch and apache installed + im provisioning pma over 30 nodes with puppet |
| 20:27.12 | babilen | ,checkbackport weechat |
| 20:27.13 | judd | Backporting package weechat in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 20:27.30 | InHR | Any ideas how to change bg/fg colors of 'Main Options' menu in xterm (i.e. the one that appears when you press ctrl+left mouse button)? |
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| 20:27.50 | babilen | crypticmofo: You can backport weechat yourself if you *really* need 0.3.9, but that would mean that you are the maintainer adn that you have to make sure that it is kept up-to-date. |
| 20:28.02 | tombar | jhutchins_wk: im not running apache at all, i'm 100% nginx |
| 20:28.14 | crypticmofo | babilen, its fine i don't wnat to re-envent the wheel |
| 20:28.19 | babilen | crypticmofo: In short: Just install the version in squeeze-backports and be happy. It will, most likely, be new enough :) |
| 20:28.56 | babilen | crypticmofo: As always with Linux you have a bunch of options. But I think that you are best served with sticking to squeeze (stable) + backports. |
| 20:28.59 | crypticmofo | yea babilen it worked on 0.3.8 |
| 20:29.00 | crypticmofo | :D |
| 20:29.02 | babilen | wonderful |
| 20:29.04 | cklein | tombar: sounds to be a lot of work. my suggestion would be to add a custom apt repository where you provide a bundled version of phpmyadmin that does not have the dependencies you do not wish to get installed. of course this will generate additional work, maintaining the phpmyadmin package and your repository... |
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| 20:29.36 | crypticmofo | babilen, as stated earlier i think coming from a crutch os that does everyting for you like archlinux to debian is a bound / leap / cliff whatever you want to call it |
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| 20:30.54 | tombar | cklein yeah.. to much hassle.. its even easier to install it from source |
| 20:31.12 | babilen | crypticmofo: Ok, I think it is a good idea to at least tell you about your other options. You can backport weechat from sid (unstable) yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb", but that means that these are *your* packages and that *you* have to make sure that you upgrade them whenever a new version enters sid (unstable). |
| 20:31.13 | tombar | the real issue is why does phpmyadmin depends on libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 20:31.49 | lonewlf | babilen: you know |
| 20:31.55 | cklein | tombar: yes, this is a good question, with nginx and all being "very" new technology and debian being so old... :D |
| 20:32.46 | babilen | crypticmofo: Another option would be to just upgrade to wheezy (testing) which is currently frozen and should be more or less usable. Given that it is a development release you *will* however run into more or less horrible bugs (see "/msg dpkg rc bugs" for a list) and you might face breakage ... The upgrade is explained in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 20:33.02 | lonewlf | babilen, back before I knew anything, I used to run with multiple versions of debian in my sources... heck I remember back before apt-get... apt-get was awesome... didn't break things outright, but may as well have... never did that end without me reinstalling my system :( |
| 20:33.06 | tombar | cklein: IMHO it should be a recommendation, not a strict dependecy |
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| 20:33.17 | babilen | crypticmofo: I would personally recommend to just stick with stable (squeeze) for now and upgrade one or the other package from squeeze-backports if you need a newer version |
| 20:33.27 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 20:33.30 | cklein | tombar: perhaps you contact the current maintainer of the phpmyadmin package then? |
| 20:33.33 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions weechat |
| 20:33.34 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.3.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.3.8-1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1; sid: 0.3.9-1 |
| 20:33.59 | cklein | tombar: but I do not think that this will make it into the system at least not for wheezy |
| 20:34.04 | tombar | cklein: i've just fill in a bug, was just looking for a workarround or tip |
| 20:34.08 | babilen | !tell crypticmofo about introduction |
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| 20:34.25 | remote | hey dpkg |
| 20:34.31 | babilen | remote: dpkg is a bot |
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| 20:34.48 | remote | hey babilen |
| 20:34.51 | babilen | hmm? |
| 20:34.53 | remote | how is it going dpkg? |
| 20:35.04 | nkuttler | remote: :\ |
| 20:35.10 | bazhang | remote, its a bot |
| 20:35.14 | babilen | remote: Do you need help with Debian or what can we do for you? |
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| 20:35.16 | remote | dpkg: say good and you? |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | good and you |
| 20:35.20 | remote | very good thanks |
| 20:35.26 | remote | it's not a bot, he's talking back! |
| 20:35.30 | babilen | remote: Stop playing with the bot please |
| 20:35.32 | cklein | lol, eliza läßt grüssen |
| 20:35.36 | nkuttler | remote: there's #debian-bots if you want to play |
| 20:36.06 | remote | it's ok I was just saying hi |
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| 20:36.51 | tombar | cklein: why not? it shouldn't break anything, actually it recommends apache or httpd virtualpackage (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/phpmyadmin) but depends on libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 20:40.44 | cklein | tombar: well, it breaks with the established habitus, system admins will bark if the phpmyadmin package no longer depends on a given apacheX version |
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| 20:42.47 | cklein | tombar: or rather a specific libapacheX-mod-phpX version |
| 20:43.13 | crypticmofo | guys ripping dvd's and makeing sure dvd's work im going to follow http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs correct ? |
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| 20:45.11 | babilen | crypticmofo: I can't recommend using debian-multimedia packages, but for some codecs that repository is your only option as Debian won't or can't ship them due to patents/closed-sources/... |
| 20:45.21 | thomaschaaf | I want to build a debian package which automatically configures other packages. How would I do this to not conflict with debians way of every file only being able to be owned by one package? |
| 20:45.50 | thomaschaaf | I tried to describe it here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13253144/building-a-preconfigured-debian-package |
| 20:46.04 | ompaul | dependencies? |
| 20:46.35 | babilen | crypticmofo: I would personally try to stick with free codecs (such as opus/theora/..) and use ffmpeg/... I guess that you will reach the point where you need packages from dmm though. They aren't really that well integrated into the system and sometimes break your multimedia setup (as in player doesn't work anymore) |
| 20:46.59 | babilen | crypticmofo: Unfortunately I don't really have a "yeah, do this. it is clearly the right thing" answer. |
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| 20:48.08 | stack | actually pretty old but, will xfce4 be the default DE on debian because of this http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1c9ccbfb2c982f87f0ba8b272586500b9f8869c ? |
| 20:48.10 | RichardRaseley_ | Does a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy upgrade the kernel automatically to the 3.2.x? |
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| 20:48.33 | crypticmofo | thanks babilen |
| 20:48.34 | RichardRaseley_ | Or whatever the stable kernel for wheezy is going to be? |
| 20:48.48 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 20:48.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:49.02 | babilen | crypticmofo: And looking at that page: It contains bad advice. You should *never* install libdvdcss2 from Ubuntu for example. I don't know, is there something specific you need help with? |
| 20:49.05 | Andy80 | babilen, ok, I'm now installing from this firmware-wheezy-DI-b3-i386-netinst.iso - the installer is graphical, is it ok? Or I should use the textual one? |
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| 20:49.33 | stack | RichardRaseley_: see what kernel package you have installed and check with apt-cache policy what would be if you have wheezy as repos |
| 20:49.39 | crypticmofo | babilen, i rip dvds and what not and listen to music normally i have to install w23codecs libdvdread / libdvdnav /libdvdcss etc |
| 20:49.55 | babilen | Andy80: Both should be fine -- Make sure to configure it to install XFCE in the boot menu (have you done that?). |
| 20:50.06 | RichardRaseley_ | stack: I have no idea how to do either of those things. |
| 20:50.32 | stack | RichardRaseley_: so judd already answered you :) |
| 20:50.37 | Andy80 | babilen, no I didn't it in the boot menu... I did think I could do it during installation, sorry :\ |
| 20:50.44 | Andy80 | babilen, anyway bigger problem.... |
| 20:51.20 | Andy80 | babilen, even if I'm using the "firmware" version of the ISO, it says that brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw is missing |
| 20:51.21 | stack | hey I pasted the wrong commit and nobody told me! http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 my question was related to this one |
| 20:51.40 | babilen | crypticmofo: w32codecs are AFAIK not really needed these days. At least I haven't had a need for them in ages and I would just recommend to use vlc. Regarding libdvdcss and libdvdnav you can either download it directly from videolan.org or use debian-multimedia . I personally prefer to just download them from videolan and install them manually as dmm managed to break my system horribly in the past and I just don't trust it anymore. |
| 20:51.42 | Andy80 | babilen, I tell the installer to load it, but it cannot find it |
| 20:52.01 | babilen | ,file brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw --release wheezy |
| 20:52.13 | judd | Search for brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw in wheezy/i386: firmware-brcm80211: lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw |
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| 20:52.38 | crypticmofo | got it thanks |
| 20:52.41 | crypticmofo | lot of wisdom today |
| 20:52.42 | crypticmofo | :D |
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| 20:53.22 | Andy80 | babilen, uhm... so it should be there but it's not? |
| 20:53.26 | babilen | crypticmofo: Others just use dmm and are happy with it though. Can't really say who is right here ... |
| 20:54.01 | babilen | Andy80: Hmm, I am confused a little because the firmware should be there. Well, assuming that it contains the firmware that comes in the tarball as that contains firmware-brcm80211 ... |
| 20:54.26 | babilen | hmm |
| 20:54.57 | babilen | Andy80: You *are* using the firmware netinstall aren't you? |
| 20:55.05 | RichardRaseley__ | Sorry - got dropped. So, it listed the stable kernel for wheezy as having a 686 in it - but wouldn't that be specific to my architecture? |
| 20:55.18 | Andy80 | babilen, I used this one firmware-wheezy-DI-b3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:55.31 | babilen | RichardRaseley__: It is ... 686 is specific to the i386 architecture |
| 20:56.09 | babilen | Andy80: Hmm, I assumed that this would contain the firmware in question. I'll check that later. Is your ethernet working? |
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| 20:56.22 | RichardRaseley__ | babilen: How do I get that bot to show the stable kernels again for wheezy? |
| 20:56.32 | asarch | How do you write you own daemon script? |
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| 20:56.55 | asarch | Somehow sysfsutils doesn't set the cpu frequencies I want |
| 20:56.59 | babilen | !tell asarch -about init script |
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| 20:57.10 | RichardRaseley__ | !tell me -about kernel |
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| 20:57.23 | asarch | THANK YOU babilen |
| 20:57.29 | asarch | THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :-) |
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| 20:58.55 | Andy80 | babilen, let me try... I need to find a cable.... |
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| 20:59.31 | andre_pl | i'm having some trouble w/ resizing something.. I'v got a KVM Host machine which uses lvm volumes for each VM. I'm trying to resize one for the first time. i've shut down the VM and done lvextend, and now when i boot the VM fdisk shows that the disk is 12G (instead of 6) but wont let me create new partitions or resize existing ones because 'no free blocks available' |
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| 21:00.08 | Amnesia | question, is there some way to determine with what parameters a module was loaded? |
| 21:00.31 | Brigo | andre_pl: has you resized the filesystem? |
| 21:00.54 | andre_pl | Brigo: i was under the impression the partition needs to be resized first |
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| 21:01.28 | Andy80 | babilen, neither with cable :( this is absurd... I'll try a reboot |
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| 21:01.49 | Brigo | andre_pl: yes, first you resize the partition,then the filesystem |
| 21:01.57 | Brigo | you need to resize both. |
| 21:02.00 | babilen | Andy80: Sorry, have to go. (somebody is really hungry and I am being summoned into the kitchen) -- To make it short: I would try to get ethernet runnint and install XFCE from there. Don't forget to configure the installer to install XFCE if you install the desktop task (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4") -- You can also try to provide the firmware by downloading the tarball and extracting it on a USB driver as detailed in "/msg dpkg installer firmware" |
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| 21:02.40 | babilen | Andy80: Good luck! And others (here or in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) might be able to help. Have fun! |
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| 21:03.11 | Andy80 | ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 21:03.31 | Leoneof | babilen: i can't join to #debian-next |
| 21:03.38 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: dunno what the !tell command does but dist-upgrading should upgrade your kernel to the 3.2.x release |
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| 21:04.21 | Leoneof | oh i see x_x |
| 21:04.34 | cklein | !tell cklein -about init script |
| 21:04.37 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: It didn't in my case... |
| 21:04.39 | Leoneof | haven't seen oftc.net |
| 21:04.47 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: I am just going to use the wheezy beta 3 iso. |
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| 21:04.50 | lonewlf | !tell me about it |
| 21:04.51 | cklein | just what i thought *grr* |
| 21:04.53 | lonewlf | lol |
| 21:05.28 | lonewlf | it is apparently the italian support for debian |
| 21:05.30 | lonewlf | just fyi |
| 21:05.31 | lonewlf | lol |
| 21:05.51 | lonewlf | dpkg you should answer questions in chat so that everyone can learn |
| 21:05.51 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:05.54 | lonewlf | gosh |
| 21:06.00 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: some packages are withheld , but normally, during a dist-upgrade these should be installed. does your boot partition offer enough space? |
| 21:06.07 | lonewlf | dpkg you are bot, now behave |
| 21:06.08 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 21:06.32 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: Should - it has 16GB free. |
| 21:06.42 | RichardRaseley__ | All the space is in / |
| 21:06.57 | lonewlf | df -k doesn't have /boot as a separate partition? |
| 21:06.59 | lonewlf | how... |
| 21:07.02 | lonewlf | oldschoolian |
| 21:07.05 | lonewlf | or wait |
| 21:07.06 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: how about manually installing the missing packages then? |
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| 21:07.22 | lonewlf | no, it was some wierd in between school that was doing all space in single partition |
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| 21:07.36 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: worth a try before reinstalling everything from scratch |
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| 21:07.38 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: The whole installation kind of borked - so I am just going to reinstall. |
| 21:07.48 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: Won't even boot now. |
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| 21:07.50 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: :D |
| 21:07.58 | RichardRaseley__ | cklein: Thanks though. |
| 21:08.14 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: good luck |
| 21:08.32 | oo_miguel | For some reason multiarch is not working for me: I do: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && aptitude update && aptitude search foobar . But during the update nothing about i386 shows up, and I can not find any :i386 packages |
| 21:08.42 | oo_miguel | any suggesting what I might have forgot |
| 21:09.17 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: you could always boot into the emergency console and from there set the root to your root partition, mount everything needed and apt-get install from there... |
| 21:09.35 | cklein | RichardRaseley__: i meant chroot |
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| 21:11.01 | cklein | lonewlf: it is the standard installation/partition mode offered by debian |
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| 21:12.12 | Devastator | how do I know with which options ntp from Debian was compiled? |
| 21:13.51 | cklein | Devastator: a devastating question leading me to ask you about why you need that information? |
| 21:14.17 | lonewlf | cklein, ugh |
| 21:14.23 | lonewlf | cklein, no wonder I always customize |
| 21:14.29 | lonewlf | cklein, maybe I'm just OCD |
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| 21:14.50 | lonewlf | but not having a separate ext2 fs for boot just seems like you're asking for it |
| 21:14.56 | cklein | lonewlf: me too, normally, to get my home and other workspaces separated from the oh so volatile root... |
| 21:15.00 | somiaj | Devastator: the way to know every little thing debian does is look at the actual source package and the debian/ dir with it (apt-get source <source_package>) and the debian/rules script |
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| 21:15.29 | somiaj | Devastator: sometimes you can get away with looking at /usr/share/doc/package_name or the depends to determine if it was compiled with a single feature you want |
| 21:15.43 | lonewlf | root etc var opt usr boot they can all be separate based on what your needs are, but commonly, /boot and /home are what I separate out |
| 21:16.02 | lonewlf | except apparently right now |
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| 21:16.05 | lonewlf | HA! |
| 21:16.08 | lonewlf | dang |
| 21:16.18 | lonewlf | my system has been stable for too long |
| 21:16.27 | lonewlf | I've been working on other systems too long |
| 21:16.34 | lonewlf | how do I tell when this thing was installed? |
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| 21:16.39 | lonewlf | like... originally |
| 21:16.47 | cklein | lonewlf I do this only for my workstations, but normally not so for my virtualized desktops or server vms |
| 21:16.49 | lonewlf | I think I mirrored my config onto this ramdisk |
| 21:16.56 | somiaj | lonewlf: dpkg and apt both keep logs, /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/apt/history.log |
| 21:17.00 | somiaj | lonewlf: not sure how far back the logs go |
| 21:17.12 | lonewlf | somiaj, that was what I initially was thinking about |
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| 21:17.25 | lonewlf | but then I realized ... I think this 'install' hasn't been refreshed in 3 years |
| 21:17.29 | somiaj | and I ment to say, not sure the defaults of how logrotate goes though the logs over a long period of time |
| 21:17.31 | lonewlf | I've upgraded but |
| 21:17.40 | lonewlf | I don't keep them forever |
| 21:17.42 | lonewlf | that's for servers |
| 21:17.45 | lonewlf | not my workstation |
| 21:17.50 | somiaj | the logs have been kept since they day you installed. Now what logrotate does with them may be different. |
| 21:17.55 | lonewlf | I just went with default |
| 21:18.03 | lonewlf | somiaj, right |
| 21:18.04 | lonewlf | right |
| 21:18.31 | somiaj | my guess is they are there (default debian doesn't get rid of logs, but only rotates/compresses the old ones) |
| 21:18.37 | lonewlf | the oldest thing in there is jan 11 2011 |
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| 21:19.43 | ech0s7 | hi all |
| 21:19.50 | lonewlf | but its for something I know I did well after the install |
| 21:19.51 | lonewlf | argh |
| 21:19.56 | lonewlf | something has to date from the origin |
| 21:20.38 | cklein | hm, perhaps the timestamp on lost+found hasn't changed? |
| 21:20.46 | ix_ | I want to put the local time instead of UTC in debian, where do I do that? |
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| 21:22.07 | Devastator | cklein because I'm following a howto that says I need ntp-signd |
| 21:22.11 | cklein | ix_: have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges |
| 21:22.24 | ix_ | cklein, I've looked there |
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| 21:23.10 | Devastator | somiaj again, many thanks, will look at it |
| 21:23.16 | ix_ | basically, it knows that the bios has UTC and I want the bios to have local time |
| 21:23.48 | lonewlf | so... my old home directory |
| 21:24.00 | lonewlf | has a datestamp on .bash_logout of Dec 6, 2010 |
| 21:24.03 | lonewlf | I'm going with that |
| 21:24.04 | somiaj | ix_: unless you are gonna dual boot with windows use UTC (and then set your correct timezone) |
| 21:24.06 | lonewlf | probably its correct |
| 21:24.12 | cklein | ix_: http://paste.debian.net/207598/ |
| 21:24.29 | cklein | ix_: what is the problem on your system, do you not get the correct localtime? |
| 21:24.42 | somiaj | ix_: so dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 21:25.00 | lonewlf | it might be time for a clean installation of something |
| 21:25.01 | somiaj | i.e. your hardware is set to UTC but all numbers you see are local |
| 21:25.10 | ix_ | cklein, I've installed windows, that's the problem |
| 21:25.12 | lonewlf | wonders what would be best to install |
| 21:25.26 | babilen | Leoneof: The channel is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
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| 21:25.43 | cklein | ix_: the timestamp stored in the bios is derived from the time received by ntp, actually it will adjust the timestamp in the bios. |
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| 21:26.14 | cklein | ix_: yes, windows has certain issues with time and timing in general :D *duck* |
| 21:26.33 | ix_ | cklein, yes, but they mess up the time, because windows likes local time, Linux likes UTC for the bios |
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| 21:27.19 | lonewlf | babilen, you're saying that I'm not being technical enough, my apologies I will limit myself and go chat over there :) |
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| 21:28.32 | cklein | ix_: i guess that until m§ does not fix their windows behavior, the time on both systems in a dual boot environment will not work as expected |
| 21:28.32 | cklein | have you checked the m§ knowledge base on that topic? |
| 21:29.57 | Devastator | somiaj should .orig.tar.gz have debian folder? |
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| 21:30.15 | somiaj | Devastator: no, that is the orig(inal) upstream source |
| 21:30.35 | somiaj | Devastator: the matainer adds the folder after. when you apt-get source it should create folder for you and if you cd into it debian/ should be there |
| 21:30.55 | somiaj | ix_: you want to modify /etc/default/rcS and you want to set UTC=no in that file. That way debian knows that your clock is not set to UTC time but to local time. |
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| 21:31.04 | somiaj | ix_: you still want to ensure your timezone is correctly set |
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| 21:31.36 | ix_ | somiaj, thank you |
| 21:31.41 | Devastator | somiaj yes, there's a .debian.tar.gz and according to rules it should have support for what I need |
| 21:32.04 | cklein | somia: why make amendments? rather get them to adhere to universal standards :D |
| 21:32.20 | Devastator | somiaj thank you again sir :) |
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| 21:33.30 | somiaj | cklein: I personally in that situation just let windows have the wrong time. But yea there may be a way to have ti play the otherway in windows. This is a debian channel. I mearly said how can you get debian to use local time which is an easy config option. (: |
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| 21:34.03 | cklein | somiaj: i was just kidding, and I learned from your answer, too, thanks for that |
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| 21:38.32 | oo_miguel | hooray, i managed to set up multiarch finally! but how can I specify which version of a given programm I want to invoke (i386 or amd64 in my case) |
| 21:38.35 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 21:39.47 | dondelelcaro | oo_miguel: multiarch is primarily for libraries, not executablexs |
| 21:39.55 | dondelelcaro | oo_miguel: you'd only have one version of an executable installed. |
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| 21:41.33 | themill | oo_miguel: you have many places for libraries (/usr/lib/$arch/) but you still only have one /usr/bin |
| 21:41.34 | ujjain | http://pastebin.visilang.com/view/22ac7a14 < Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary. - Is this a bad thing? |
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| 21:41.49 | oo_miguel | why can I not install 2 versions of gcc for instance? |
| 21:41.59 | oo_miguel | why do they conflict? |
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| 21:42.08 | jordanm | you can install two versions |
| 21:42.08 | Chousuke | why would you do that? |
| 21:42.12 | themill | oo_miguel: how are you going to make /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:42.23 | jordanm | only one can be /usr/bin/gcc though |
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| 21:42.34 | oo_miguel | yeah sure |
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| 21:42.46 | Chousuke | you should really just use the gcc that's built for your native arch |
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| 21:42.47 | oo_miguel | but can i not have a gcc_amd64 and a gcc_i386 |
| 21:42.51 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 21:43.01 | jordanm | I don' |
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| 21:43.09 | jordanm | I don't think that's how cross-compiling works |
| 21:43.13 | somiaj | oo_miguel: if you want a multiarch build enviroment, look into setting one of those up. I prefer to just use a i386 chroot to build i386 binaries on an amd64 machine (it is what I do for wine) |
| 21:43.36 | Chousuke | oo_miguel: or do you mean that you want a cross compiling environment? |
| 21:43.41 | oo_miguel | I need it for wine exactly :) |
| 21:43.43 | themill | cross-building tools do exist, yes. But that's a slightly special example. You don't get a ls-i386 and an ls-amd64 from two copies of coreutils |
| 21:44.05 | themill | oo_miguel: making an i386 chroot to build the packages is probably easier |
| 21:44.28 | somiaj | oo_miguel: what I do for wine (since I need a enwer one than wine-unstalbe) is build an i386 chroot, and build a :i386 wine package in there |
| 21:44.35 | jhutchins_wk | Think about it. You have to be able to compile x86_64 code on i386 - how else did they get an x86_64 compiler in the first place? |
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| 21:44.59 | somiaj | oo_miguel: I think install the wine package on my amd64 machine. You just can't have wine:amd64 and wine:i386 both installed. One or the other, and for the most part the i386 one is the one I need |
| 21:45.01 | oo_miguel | allright, so Ill just leave it as it is for now, since it works fine. Just wondered why some packages can be in multiple arch versions and others do not .. |
| 21:45.44 | oo_miguel | somiaj: i am on wheezy and there is a i386 wine package only in the official reporisotry , the amd64 was just a dummy, that told me to setup multiarch |
| 21:46.29 | Chousuke | oo_miguel: you want the i386 one |
| 21:46.33 | somiaj | oo_miguel: yea because they are only building i386 version of wine. There is develmoent on amd64 versions (and they can run 64 bit windows software) but that is rare and a lot harder to deal with |
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| 21:46.51 | Chousuke | unless you really need 64-bit windows software? :/ |
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| 21:46.57 | somiaj | well at least with wine..I think debian is not that developed. multiarch has to go a long way and wine isn't a big priority in debian |
| 21:47.17 | Chousuke | wine works fine for me with multiarch |
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| 21:47.45 | somiaj | yea the packages in wheezy/sid install just fine. I just needed a newer version than 1.5.6 which caused me to create a 32bit chroot to build it in |
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| 21:48.38 | oo_miguel | allright, Ill now try if the 1.4.1 shipping with weezy is sufficient for my use case (check if my favourite game works ;) ) |
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| 21:49.46 | somiaj | oo_miguel: use wine-unstable if y ou want 1.5.6 instead |
| 21:50.04 | somiaj | oo_miguel: the app database on winehq.org is a nice place to see what versions of wine were tested |
| 21:50.28 | oo_miguel | to get 1.5.6 I have to get the deb files from this external site right? |
| 21:50.42 | somiaj | no, wine-unstable is a package in wheezy (I thought) |
| 21:50.45 | somiaj | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 21:50.46 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 21:51.01 | somiaj | oh guess it is only in sid -- sorry about that |
| 21:51.13 | oo_miguel | np |
| 21:51.18 | cklein | somiaj: how about pinning certain packages using apt to unstable? is there a good documentation on that? |
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| 21:51.40 | somiaj | cklein: in general it is bad bad juju |
| 21:52.12 | somiaj | cklein: if you want unstable just run it. At certain times the difference between testing/unstable is small and you can get away with it. But once the freeze happens if you plan to stablize with the freeze don't mix |
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| 21:53.00 | somiaj | if you plan on mixing and want to stay with 'testing' my suggestion is just run sid instead |
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| 21:53.30 | cklein | somiaj: good point |
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| 21:54.38 | cklein | oo_miguel: but since it is your desktop machine, you can always go and try compile the latest wine and install that |
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| 21:55.46 | somiaj | cklein: he will want to do that in a 32bit chroot. the multiarch doesn't work well for mixing -dev libs eaither making compiling wine a bit of a pain outside of a 32bit build env |
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| 21:58.18 | cklein | offtopic:what do you think about steam finally going linux? do you think that this is a good start or even the end of wine? :D |
| 21:58.21 | cklein | *scnr* |
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| 21:59.21 | crypticmofo | guys im running the i3-wm and im looking for a volume applet .. the best thing i found is pa-applet but its from github |
| 21:59.27 | crypticmofo | do we support this or do i need to look for something else |
| 21:59.51 | somiaj | cklein: #debian-offtopic. I don't like steam for the most part. |
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| 22:00.26 | somiaj | crypticmofo: if it is not a debian package it is not supported by debian. But debian system contains all the tools you need to get thrid party apps and compile them yourself |
| 22:00.46 | somiaj | crypticmofo: debian packages will not install things in /usr/local (so you can install things in there with out conflicting with debian) |
| 22:00.50 | xJaM | cklein: what steam do you mean? Game server, sorry for my ignorance... |
| 22:01.00 | somiaj | crypticmofo: you can use seomthing like stow to manage /usr/local installs or you can compile your own .deb packages |
| 22:01.52 | cklein | xJaM: sorry, but this was off-topic and I will not digress any more into that topic |
| 22:02.25 | xJaM | Okay then. |
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| 22:03.47 | somiaj | crypticmofo: so in short debian supports lots of tools to allow you to pull in non-debian software. The catch-22 is you are on your own to debug/matain/manage such things |
| 22:04.12 | jordanm | upstream of the non-debian software may help/support |
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| 22:20.30 | cihhan | Is there a way to find the disk read/write requests of individual processes? /proc/diskstats gives information for the overall system, but /proc/PID/io gives total number of bytes read/written. So, Im looking for individual process' disk request information. |
| 22:21.01 | dondelelcaro | cihhan: you might actually want iotop |
| 22:21.14 | dondelelcaro | (depending on what you're doing) |
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| 22:22.07 | cihhan | dondelelcaro: as far as i know iotop doesnt show the requests, instead it shows B/s |
| 22:24.40 | dondelelcaro | cihhan: right. |
| 22:24.56 | dondelelcaro | cihhan: perhaps I'm just not clear what you mean by "disk request information" |
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| 22:25.44 | cihhan | dondelelcaro: this is one of the info /proc/diskstats provides |
| 22:26.04 | cihhan | Field 1 -- # of reads issued |
| 22:26.09 | cihhan | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/suse-novell-60/interpreting-proc-diskstats-360350/ |
| 22:26.21 | dondelelcaro | cihhan: oh, you mean the IO by disk? |
| 22:26.32 | cihhan | yes |
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| 22:28.08 | dondelelcaro | cihhan: yeah, I'm not sure if that's exposed by proc |
| 22:28.18 | dondelelcaro | I suppose it could be |
| 22:28.58 | cihhan | i was hoping it would be :( |
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| 22:31.31 | oo_miguel | wine tells me it can not use direct3d because opengl is not present. I am on a amd64 running multiarch, and the wine ist wine-bin:i386. Would I need nvidia-kernel-dkms:i386 too in order to let wine use 3d acceleration? |
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| 22:35.36 | engla | oo_miguel: you need the proper :i386 gl,dri,drm libraries |
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| 22:36.08 | engla | no idea about nv-specific stuff |
| 22:36.23 | jkyle | is it possible to tell why a package was installed? e.g. if it were installed as a dependency to another package? |
| 22:36.45 | engla | jkyle: there is aptitude why :-) but it's pretty simplistic |
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| 22:37.28 | themill | jkyle: you can find out why a package *might* have been installed using "aptitude why", but the only way to really know is to look in the logs as to when it was installed. |
| 22:38.23 | jkyle | yeah, automated scripts are pulling in ruby1.8 libs that are breaking all the apps that need ruby 1.9.x......lemme check out 'why' and the apt logs |
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| 22:41.06 | crypticmofo | umm im trying to make chromium-brower default but this x-www-browser keeps opening whenever |
| 22:41.06 | crypticmofo | can i just remove it |
| 22:41.23 | jordanm | crypticmofo: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 22:41.38 | jkyle | something explicitly installed it it looks like |
| 22:42.13 | crypticmofo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.13 | crypticmofo | oh nce |
| 22:42.18 | crypticmofo | so thats for default stuff ? |
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| 22:42.30 | crypticmofo | im looking thru apt-get aptitutde dsleect lol |
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| 22:43.09 | melik | hello everyone i am having a specific issue, i can't login as a non-root user |
| 22:43.13 | melik | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 22:43.25 | crypticmofo | umm |
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| 22:43.39 | ag4ve | anyone good at bluetooth at the command line? i'm trying to get this jawbone connected and hcitool isn't being much help. |
| 22:43.45 | melik | i have checked all directory permissions |
| 22:43.49 | cwillu_at_work | melik, chmod a+x /bin/bash |
| 22:43.54 | crypticmofo | Jordan in chroium-browser i keep going to show in folder and it wants me to go to a website |
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| 22:44.00 | crypticmofo | ie chrome://downloads/ |
| 22:44.01 | melik | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-11 13:20 /bin/bash |
| 22:44.08 | crypticmofo | im assuming thats a setting in chrome ? |
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| 22:44.21 | melik | i can't even login with /bin/sh or another shell |
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| 22:45.13 | linux-fox | hi,guys |
| 22:45.23 | melik | http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/iq6nx/common_shit_tests_and_how_to_defuse_them/ |
| 22:45.27 | melik | oops |
| 22:45.31 | LtL | melik: grep $username /etc/passwd with your username |
| 22:46.12 | melik | LtL, yes the account is present; i have even tried to create a new account |
| 22:46.40 | LtL | melik: and the shell is /bin/bash or whatever? |
| 22:46.52 | melik | yes sir |
| 22:47.06 | melik | x:x:1000:1000:x:/home/x:/bin/bash |
| 22:47.17 | melik | i replaced the user account with "x" for sec. purposes :P |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | melik: what is /bin mounted as? |
| 22:47.24 | LtL | nod |
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| 22:47.27 | melik | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3072 2008-06-03 16:31 /bin |
| 22:47.38 | dondelelcaro | melik: that's the permissions on /bin, not what it's mounted as |
| 22:47.44 | dondelelcaro | melik: what happens when you run /bin/bash? |
| 22:47.53 | nsadmin | melik, look at mount |
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| 22:48.11 | crypticmofo | i think its a open with command |
| 22:49.00 | linux-fox | melik: df -h |
| 22:49.08 | melik | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 22:49.18 | melik | dondelelcaro, if i run bin/bash with root it loads it |
| 22:49.31 | linux-fox | melik: or more /etc/fstab |
| 22:49.41 | SPF | melik: there's a : missing in /etc/passwd, after /home/ |
| 22:49.44 | melik | if i try to su into another user; it doesn't do anything |
| 22:50.21 | blackness | SPF, no its there. |
| 22:50.44 | nsadmin | what's the shell var for process id of that shell? |
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| 22:51.16 | SPF | sorry, my bad |
| 22:52.17 | nsadmin | got it, it's $$... melik, show the command line that you use |
| 22:52.19 | jaggz | what's a good commandline calculator (could be a more elaborate interface too)? also, why's bc complain about non-integer powers? (2^.38 will fail) |
| 22:52.29 | DarkKnightCZ | is it safe to use hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda on SSD? |
| 22:52.37 | nsadmin | then show prompt you get |
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| 22:53.21 | Trewas | DarkKnightCZ: would it make any difference, there not being any moving parts? |
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| 22:53.46 | nsadmin | jaggz, if you're up for rpn, you could use forht |
| 22:54.15 | sacredchao | I am on a Thinkpad T420s and for some reason this new Debian install has no working brightness hotkey on keyboard |
| 22:54.15 | melik | nsadmin, can you elaborate please; i don't understand |
| 22:54.29 | melik | and i also want to take a moment and say thank you to everyone that is trying to help! |
| 22:54.30 | sacredchao | Normal Fn + Home/End hotkeys do not make my LCD brighter or dimmer |
| 22:54.33 | DarkKnightCZ | Trewas: hmm, you've got a point there |
| 22:54.41 | nsadmin | melik, mot sure what you mean by "didn't do anything" |
| 22:55.01 | sacredchao | My old Debian install on the same laptop never had a problem with screen brightness hotkeys..... |
| 22:55.25 | melik | root@hostname:/etc/pam.d# su user /bin/bash |
| 22:55.26 | melik | root@hostname:/etc/pam.d# |
| 22:55.27 | themill | jaggz: qalc is pretty good |
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| 22:56.09 | nsadmin | melik: first echo $$ |
| 22:56.15 | nsadmin | then su - user |
| 22:56.19 | jordanm | melik: su -s /bin/bash user |
| 22:57.12 | nsadmin | I'm trying to accomplish somethign here... |
| 22:57.55 | nsadmin | melik, echo $$ <enter> su - user <enter> echo $$ <enter> |
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| 22:58.30 | nsadmin | if the numbers you get are different, something did happen |
| 22:58.45 | nsadmin | you may or may not have seen it |
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| 23:02.12 | crypticmofo | soryr link light went off on router |
| 23:02.13 | crypticmofo | lol |
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| 23:05.12 | crypticmofo | libfile-mimeinfo-perl |
| 23:05.15 | crypticmofo | i think that was the issue |
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| 23:09.22 | jaggz | nsadmin, forth? |
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| 23:11.49 | roothorick | Is there a way to automatically install required prerequisites for a non-repository package? (I have the .deb) |
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| 23:12.29 | roothorick | ...wait, this machine is Ubuntu. Well, apt-get is apt-get right? |
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| 23:13.42 | abrotman | roothorick: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:14.16 | roothorick | abrotman: for reference (since my server is Squeeze) how would I do it in Debian? |
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| 23:14.41 | abrotman | roothorick: ask #ubuntu |
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| 23:14.55 | roothorick | abrotman: about Debian? |
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| 23:15.03 | abrotman | about your ubuntu problem, have a nice day! |
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| 23:15.38 | roothorick | the answer for Ubuntu is "double click it in Nautilus and Software Center will handle it for you" but what about Debian? |
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| 23:16.49 | melik | nsadmin, # echo $$ |
| 23:16.49 | melik | 13132 |
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| 23:17.26 | melik | Jordan_U, # su -s /bin/bash user |
| 23:17.26 | melik | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
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| 23:18.11 | roothorick | melik: that user cannot execute /bin/bash for some reason. Are you running any nonstandard security stuff? |
| 23:18.25 | melik | roothorick, i don't think so |
| 23:18.37 | fleeky | hi, my wacom tablet is functioning oddly, running mate, and i typically use gnome-control-center to configure it which is not working. so two problems, buttons are mapped wrong, and pressure sensitivty doesnt work inside wine |
| 23:18.38 | fleeky | any ideas |
| 23:18.39 | fleeky | ? |
| 23:18.41 | melik | this server just monitors temperatures and has been running for 3 years without problem |
| 23:18.49 | fleeky | running debian wheezy/sid |
| 23:18.53 | roothorick | to answer my own question, package "gdebi-core" contains a tool that'll do what I want. Apparently it's not possible with just dpkg/apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:18.54 | fleeky | kernel 3.2.0-30 |
| 23:19.14 | roothorick | melik: what does "ls -l /bin/bash" show? |
| 23:19.49 | melik | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 738008 Nov 2 18:31 /bin/bash |
| 23:20.03 | melik | -------------e-- /bin/bash |
| 23:20.24 | roothorick | ...don't know how to parse that second line |
| 23:20.34 | melik | its the ls attributes |
| 23:20.44 | roothorick | fleeky: I'd half expect pressure to not work in wine, tbh |
| 23:21.02 | fleeky | roothorick, the odd part is it was working last night .. |
| 23:21.04 | roothorick | fleeky: as for button mapping... I think xsetwacom can remap things |
| 23:21.12 | fleeky | well thats one thing |
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| 23:21.15 | roothorick | fleeky: have you tested it in a native app? |
| 23:21.20 | fleeky | native apps are fine |
| 23:21.24 | fleeky | even virtualbox works.. |
| 23:21.31 | roothorick | ...REALLY!? |
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| 23:21.41 | fleeky | actually wish wine had the same usb filters virtualbox has |
| 23:21.43 | fleeky | yeah i know right ? |
| 23:21.46 | roothorick | I'd very very definitely expect pressure to NOT work in vbox guests |
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| 23:21.58 | fleeky | it didnt for a long time |
| 23:22.03 | fleeky | then i figured out the usb filter stuff |
| 23:22.06 | fleeky | and it works like a charm now |
| 23:22.15 | roothorick | oh so you're directly connecting the tablet to the guest |
| 23:22.18 | fleeky | albeit *ever* so slightly less responsive then native |
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| 23:22.21 | fleeky | yeah |
| 23:22.22 | roothorick | that's a bit different, completely bypasses the Linux driver |
| 23:22.35 | roothorick | frankly, if your system can handle it, and you don't need D3D |
| 23:22.40 | roothorick | just use vbox and forget about wine |
| 23:22.47 | fleeky | nah using zbrush under wine |
| 23:22.50 | fleeky | need whatever i can get |
| 23:22.55 | fleeky | damn wine |
| 23:23.03 | roothorick | vbox OGL pass through is quite fast |
| 23:23.13 | fleeky | yeah but vbox only does 256 mb vram |
| 23:23.22 | fleeky | hyper lame |
| 23:23.26 | roothorick | if you have GE installed that's kinda waived |
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| 23:23.48 | roothorick | because it's not emulating a videocard anymore, instead the OS is sending its drawing stuff directly to vbox |
| 23:23.52 | roothorick | *guest OS |
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| 23:23.58 | fleeky | ge ? |
| 23:24.05 | roothorick | excuse me, GA |
| 23:24.07 | roothorick | guest additions |
| 23:24.08 | fleeky | oh |
| 23:24.10 | fleeky | really |
| 23:24.12 | fleeky | thats odd |
| 23:24.18 | fleeky | then i would expect it to run better then it is running |
| 23:24.19 | roothorick | part of GA is a graphics driver that just completely does away with video emulation |
| 23:24.25 | fleeky | hmm |
| 23:24.32 | fleeky | ok well time for more testing in virtualbox then |
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| 23:24.39 | roothorick | what proc? |
| 23:24.52 | fleeky | intel core i7 sandy if i recall |
| 23:24.53 | roothorick | vbox will be slow regardless if you can't use VT-x/AMD-V |
| 23:25.01 | roothorick | ah you should have VT-x then |
| 23:25.03 | roothorick | is it enabled? |
| 23:25.09 | fleeky | should be |
| 23:25.30 | crypticmofo | guys how do we deal withsvn packages |
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| 23:25.37 | crypticmofo | i want to download a package called mocp |
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| 23:26.10 | crypticmofo | its here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/moc |
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| 23:26.39 | crypticmofo | apt-cache search mocp and aptitutide search mocp also aptituide -t squeeze-backports search mocp shows nothing |
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| 23:27.10 | abrotman | judd: versions mocp |
| 23:27.11 | judd | No package named 'mocp' was found in i386. |
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| 23:27.26 | abrotman | crypticmofo: moc or mocp ? |
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| 23:27.30 | crypticmofo | mocp |
| 23:27.33 | crypticmofo | oh crap |
| 23:27.37 | crypticmofo | am i looking at th wrong thing |
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| 23:28.00 | crypticmofo | archlinux its called mocp and in debian its moc |
| 23:28.03 | crypticmofo | ugh |
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| 23:28.46 | abrotman | crypticmofo: all sorted out then ? |
| 23:29.07 | roothorick | fleeky: what's your DE/WM situation? |
| 23:29.10 | voldial | Anyone know if there is a reason that /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent does not have a stop or unload defined? |
| 23:29.30 | fleeky | Debian - wheezy/sid , WM - Mate |
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| 23:29.53 | crypticmofo | abrotman, yes thanks |
| 23:29.59 | medes_ | how come there isnt a sudoers file in /etc on my new debian 6 node? |
| 23:30.01 | fleeky | not even sure if xsetwacom will do anything since the xorg.conf doesnt even have stuff in there for wacom .. i believe its handled somewhere else |
| 23:30.04 | crypticmofo | im still configureing this system |
| 23:30.06 | abrotman | voldial: what actions does it have? |
| 23:30.08 | medes_ | if i am logged in as root and try vim /etc/sudoers ^ |
| 23:30.14 | medes_ | 'visudo' doesnt invoke anything |
| 23:30.14 | abrotman | medes_: is sudo even installed? |
| 23:30.23 | voldial | abramart, just start. everything else is a no-op |
| 23:30.26 | medes_ | abrotman: interesting. |
| 23:30.31 | medes_ | heh, i guess not |
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| 23:30.38 | medes_ | i thought it was a core package of debian or something. |
| 23:30.41 | VZ2iCarly | hi everyone! I am attempting to create a Debian 6 container in VMWare workstation 9, I do all the configuration of the VM then boot from the ISO #1 and then I look for the "Alternative Desktop Environments" option under "advanced options" on the DVD boot menu, but can't find it. how to specify what Desktop environment to use by default? |
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| 23:30.58 | abrotman | voldial: okay .. well, what would oyu like it to do when it shuts down? save the iptables? |
| 23:31.20 | themill | or remove all rules? |
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| 23:31.55 | voldial | abramart, I was thinking about making a patch to do unload... |
| 23:32.09 | abrotman | voldial: abro<tab> |
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| 23:32.13 | voldial | abramart, it already saves them... that's what the package is for |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | voldial: sure .. |
| 23:32.31 | voldial | oops |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | voldial: but if the interface is coming down, it'll unload them anyway |
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| 23:32.37 | voldial | <tab> is getting me |
| 23:32.52 | abrotman | or change your irc client config |
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| 23:33.09 | voldial | "stop using xchat" is on my list |
| 23:33.26 | medes_ | abrotman: is the proper way of adding a user editing the sudoers file manually or doing something like 'adduser USER sudo' |
| 23:33.28 | voldial | anyway. thanks. got it |
| 23:33.30 | medes_ | the latter seems to only add it to the group |
| 23:33.36 | medes_ | and doesnt really append it to /etc/sudoers |
| 23:34.06 | themill | medes_: /etc/sudoers gives users of the sudo group permission to do anything they please (by default) |
| 23:34.22 | medes_ | ok |
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| 23:35.13 | VZ2iCarly | anyone? what is going on, why am I not able to specify a *different* desktop from the stock gnome? |
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| 23:35.44 | VZ2iCarly | I'l be back, I'm going to investigate this further in my testlab environment |
| 23:36.06 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/207625/ any idea how to resolve this dpkg-source: error: unrepresentable changes to source issue? |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | medes_: that'll add it to the group IIRC |
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| 23:37.25 | nvz | I think I have my directory structure wrong somehow |
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| 23:38.02 | fleeky | gonna just try restarting gdm3 .. blar |
| 23:38.08 | VZ2iCarly | OK back and still cannot find it, anyone? |
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| 23:39.11 | themill | nvz: the second and third lines say all. you need to get rid of that symlink. If it's made by the build system, then remove it as part of clean |
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| 23:39.49 | nvz | themill: its in the original tarball |
| 23:40.52 | VZ2iCarly | hi everyone! I am attempting to create a Debian 6 container in VMWare workstation 9, I do all the configuration of the VM then boot from the ISO #1 and then I look for the "Alternative Desktop Environments" option under "advanced options" on the DVD boot menu, but can't find it. how to specify what Desktop environment to use by default? |
| 23:41.10 | themill | nvz: doesn't sound like it from what dpkg-source says there |
| 23:41.23 | nvz | themill: I got confused about where to place everything because the original tarball results in qjoypad-4.1.0/ and the source is in qjoypad-4.1.0/src so I put the qjoypad_4.1.0.orig.tar.gz in qjoypad-4.1.0/ and the debian/ files under ../src/ |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: use aptitude |
| 23:41.38 | nvz | themill: I'm running debuild -uc -us from the src/ dir |
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| 23:43.19 | VZ2iCarly | So, let me get this streight: Install with the defaults then go to root shell and run aptitude (great command by the way... it rocks!) Install the selected DE's and then it should prompt for the one which I would like to use for default for all future sessions and newly created users? |
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| 23:43.42 | nvz | themill: I thought maybe the error was due to the files not being in the right place |
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| 23:44.07 | VZ2iCarly | OK hang on, let me get this process started on my container |
| 23:45.17 | nvz | shrugs |
| 23:45.40 | themill | nvz: it's always easiest to work on exactly what comes out of the upstream tarball: tar axf foo.tar.gz; cd foo; mkdir debian/ |
| 23:45.52 | VZ2iCarly | Does anyone know of a "Disk Utility.app" that will allow me to manage disks and their partitions (post-install) from the GUI? |
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| 23:46.04 | themill | nvz: sounds like you've not done that, so now dpkg is comparing qjoypad/src to qjoypad and mess ensues |
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| 23:46.07 | nvz | if the configure file wasn't in ./qjoypad-4.1.0/src/configure of the qjoypad_4.1.0.orig.tar.gz then I'd understand the error |
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| 23:46.43 | nvz | themill: right well I thought I had to have the debian/ subdir and run the commands from where the source actually is |
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| 23:47.08 | nvz | it has text files and an icons/ subdir in the main dir as well as the src/ |
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| 23:47.26 | rizlah | VZ2iCarly: gparted |
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| 23:47.35 | themill | nvz: yeah, so you put debian one level too deep |
| 23:47.36 | fleeky | well that didnt work |
| 23:47.50 | nvz | themill: i.e. the top-level source dir and top-level tarball dir are not the same.. is that ok? |
| 23:48.40 | themill | nvz: dpkg-source doesn't care whether the source is in foo/ foo/src/ foo/frobination/src/widgest/bar. Your build system deals with that and it's called from debian/rules |
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| 23:49.36 | VZ2iCarly | gparted: where in the menu structure (of gnome, xfce, or lxde) is it? |
| 23:49.49 | nvz | themill: I see.. well now its working.. heh. Thanks ;) |
| 23:50.19 | nvz | themill: seems it has a lot of magic up its sleeve.. I dont know how it determines most of what it figures out without me implicitly telling it somehow |
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| 23:51.10 | nvz | I'm sure this is built all wrong.. the files are probably set to intall to /usr/local/ or something, and I dont have the menu stuff in there.. but its a start |
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| 23:51.29 | themill | nvz: upstream has a build system that deals with whatever directory layout they are using (qmake or cmake quite probably for package with that name). debian/rules just calls that build system and dpkg-buildpackage knows how to do that because it's always called debian/rules in the unpacked source |
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| 23:51.56 | VZ2iCarly | I am currently working on tis container setup, do i have to worry about getting sdystemkicked due to inactivity hrre in the channel? the reason I ask is that if i have any troubles along the installation or post-install configuration path, I can quickly come here and ask me question(S) |
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| 23:52.27 | themill | VZ2iCarly: we have over 1200 people in this channel. fortunately they're not all active |
| 23:52.43 | Belial` | bam |
| 23:52.45 | Belial` | active 1 |
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| 23:53.30 | Rohrspatz | Holla! |
| 23:53.52 | nvz | themill: but I do have to manually hack the source to be debian policy compliant and isntall to the right dirs though right? |
| 23:54.42 | VZ2iCarly | OK great, so I'll just minimize safari (don't use Internet Exploiter unless absolutely nessicary) and configure this container and ask questionsd along the way if i get stuck... thanks! |
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| 23:55.09 | themill | nvz: you can often do that just by passing appropriate options to the upstream build system. If you're lucky, you can do this all in debian/rules without touching the upstream sources at all. If you're unlucky, you might need to learn about their build system. (The more NIH the build system is, the harder this can be) |
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| 23:56.09 | nvz | themill: this qjoypad is so basic you hardly even realize you're building anything QT at all.. heh.. its a really simple package. I'm surprised nobody packaged it already |
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| 23:58.46 | nvz | I obviously fudged the debian/rules then because all I wound up with is an empty package with a changelog and stuff :-P |
| 23:59.10 | themill | You need the debian/install files next. (have you read the new maintainer's guide?) |
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| 23:59.31 | themill | ,bug 642335 |
| 23:59.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/642335 in wnpp (open): «ITP: qjoypad -- Program for mapping gamepad/joystick events to mouse/keyboard events.»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-09-21; last modified: 2012-01-24. |
| 23:59.39 | themill | nvz: ^^ |
