| 00:01.56 | VZ2iCarly | OK, quick question: I have selected in the package selection protion of setup the following: graphical desktop, web server, sql database server, mail server, and standard system. is there graphical utilities included with these roles to administror them (e.e. a tool that can be run from the GUI to add/edit mail account |
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| 00:02.37 | oo_miguel | aptitude shows me a lot of packages marked with "id ". when will they be deleted? |
| 00:03.19 | themill | VZ2iCarly: the best plan is to ignore tasksel and then install the packages you want later with aptitude |
| 00:03.24 | oo_miguel | the man page says it means: the package will be deleted, nut i do not understand WHEN? |
| 00:03.30 | oo_miguel | s/nut/but |
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| 00:03.35 | themill | VZ2iCarly: (with the exception of "standard task" which you should install) |
| 00:03.56 | nvz | themill: so someone filed a work in progress and never followed through I guess |
| 00:04.17 | nvz | themill: one less thing I have to do I guess ;) |
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| 00:04.46 | themill | nvz: yeah, contacting them and seeing if you can work with them on the packaging and have another go at getting it uploaded taking account of the review in that bug would be appropriate |
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| 00:06.00 | VZ2iCarly | oops! too late! I already told it to continue... how to (without re creating the container and starting all over) undo this? the reason I do not want to start over with a fresh container is because, although it is pretty fast (compared to using physical media to install a container) I do not want to waist any of your valueable time/patience |
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| 00:07.42 | Boro | Bonsoir |
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| 00:09.23 | VZ2iCarly | Is there anyone in the u.s. who can call me and we can establish a remote session into my host machine (windows 7 ultimate x64) and "take over" my session and help me if i mess something up with the install and post-install setup (i.e. make a wrong selection or the like) |
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| 00:09.59 | VZ2iCarly | oops! too late! I already told it to continue... how to (without re creating the container and starting all over) undo this? the reason I do not want to start over with a fresh container is because, although it is pretty fast (compared to using physical media to install a container) I do not want to waist any of your valueable time/patience |
| 00:10.02 | VZ2iCarly | Is there anyone in the u.s. who can call me and we can establish a remote session into my host machine (windows 7 ultimate x64) and "take over" my session and help me if i mess something up with the install and post-install setup (i.e. make a wrong selection or the like) |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: debian.org/consultants |
| 00:11.22 | abrotman | I'm sure there's someone in Cali that is awake |
| 00:11.23 | themill | VZ2iCarly: it's much better that you learn how to fix it yourself |
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| 00:11.58 | Boro | And if you could keep silent... |
| 00:12.00 | VZ2iCarly | i'm a pretty new linux user, I have "fooled around" with knoppix, this however makes me NO EXPERT on linux, or even debian (which is what knoppix is based) |
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| 00:15.33 | Brigo | finally i've got the wheezy packaged wordpress working :-) |
| 00:15.45 | VZ2iCarly | I came to know about linux from a friend who has a disability and she told me that "1) it's stable as a rock, 2) it's FREE!, 3) it's secure as hell (no hacker is going to get in there), 4) it comes with a spitload of software prebundled on the INSTALLATION SET and if you want more, there's a ton of repos out there. and 5) it's MORE accessible to people with disabilities out-of-the-box than windows or mac" |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | it's as secure as the admin makes it |
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| 00:17.55 | VZ2iCarly | so if those aren't good enough reasons to make a windows or mac user drop their current os in favor of a free linux that only takes about 5-6 hours to download and burn (depending on your interrnetr connection and disk burner) |
| 00:18.33 | VZ2iCarly | then I don't know what to say to them |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | !tell VZ2iCarly about grounding |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | !tell VZ2iCarly about doc |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | !tell VZ2iCarly about fish |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | !tell VZ2iCarly about docs |
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| 00:20.47 | Goauld | someone help me to defeat goa'uld? |
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| 00:21.27 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:21.53 | VZ2iCarly | and what do you mean by "it's as secure as the admin makes it"? |
| 00:22.28 | themill | VZ2iCarly: it's just like your house. If you leave the front door open… |
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| 00:37.36 | zykotick9 | abrotman: Teach him how to fish and he'll... sit in a boat drinking beer all day |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 00:39.40 | VZ2iCarly | OK, does anyone know of a "Debian 6 for dummies: the COMPLETE Installation, Configuration, Administration, and User guide" as a FREE of cost download so that I may view the entire collected documentation (even if i am on the road and as a consiquesence do not have internet access)? |
| 00:40.27 | themill | dpkg: tell VZ2iCarly about debian handbook |
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| 00:40.47 | VZ2iCarly | and as previously suggested, I am going to re-install the OS on my container and ignore tasksel (except for the standard system) |
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| 00:41.08 | crypticmofo | can i shorten my apt-get and aptitude commands |
| 00:41.14 | crypticmofo | typing apt-get and aptitude all the time is crazy |
| 00:41.19 | crypticmofo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.24 | themill | crypticmofo: how often do you type them? |
| 00:41.39 | crypticmofo | themill, today is my first day on debain |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | crypticmofo: apti<tab> ? |
| 00:41.42 | crypticmofo | im installing a lot of stuff |
| 00:42.07 | themill | you could also use the aptitude gui. but yeah, you can tab complete the command, the subcommand and the package names |
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| 00:42.50 | nvz | crypticmofo: alias ai='apt-get install' |
| 00:42.52 | themill | «alias ai="aptitude install"» but then you won't get package name completion |
| 00:43.26 | nvz | using aptitude sure as heck won't speed anything up :-P |
| 00:44.14 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 00:44.18 | themill | give him time for his fingers to cope with all that typing.... |
| 00:44.22 | crypticmofo | one more thing i noticed when i reboot in X i can't click on anything |
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| 00:45.04 | themill | crypticmofo: but seriously, I'd normally do a "move in" to a new box with one or two "aptitude install foo bar baz ..." at most. |
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| 00:49.58 | VZ2iCarly | OK, everyone, I have my (electronic) handbook in hand and should be good from here. however, this book looks as if it is good for me as an admin, however, what about the endusers (e.g. my mom, sister, friends, etc), is there a "Debian in simple terms..." that only covers the enduser task? Or would I have to spend time creating a training corriculum and teaching it to them? |
| 00:51.07 | themill | VZ2iCarly: what do they really need to know? the web browser looks like a web browser, the file manager looks like a file manager etc |
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| 00:52.09 | crypticmofo | i don't know if this is right but im trying to get my system kinda simlar to my old system not exactly but a lot of tools im familar with |
| 00:52.32 | crypticmofo | basically i copied a list of all the apps that where on that distro and trying to find a simluar or somethjing close to it in debian |
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| 00:52.42 | crypticmofo | ie .. cdrtools i noticed its not in debian |
| 00:53.07 | themill | crypticmofo: how often do you actually call cdrtools directly instead of using k3b or brasero or similar? |
| 00:53.27 | crypticmofo | themill, when cdrtools or cdrecord dosen't work i use breaseor or xfburn |
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| 00:54.40 | themill | crypticmofo: there aren't a huge number of differences, but cdrtools, mozilla stuff, libreoffice are probably the extent of it |
| 00:55.56 | crypticmofo | k if you don't mind one more question .. i didn't make swap since im dual booting .. my sawp file is on /dev/sda6 witch is archlinux |
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| 00:56.06 | crypticmofo | can i use that or do i need to create a new swao ? |
| 00:56.16 | crypticmofo | s/swao/swap |
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| 00:57.58 | crypticmofo | im wondering should i just mount archlinux for its swap ? |
| 00:58.01 | crypticmofo | put it in my fstab ? |
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| 00:59.33 | alesan | hi, how do I make sure my ppp connection that I activate with "pon isp" stays up? in case it gets disconnected or cannot connect, it should wait one minute and rtry |
| 00:59.34 | VZ2iCarly | They need to know the basics: 1) "I'm Lost... where are all my tools?": finding the programs they'll use most frequently. 2) "Where are my files?": Understanding the filesystem tree and where things are located. 3) "Help me... I have a disability that requires special modifications to make the system easier for me to do my job!": how to make things easier for people with disabilities. 3) "Oh No! I think I (may have) broke it... How |
| 00:59.57 | VZ2iCarly | ... having to call ITS or you at some odd hour of the night? |
| 01:01.01 | crypticmofo | the swapfile on my old system is in / its called swapfile ie /swapfile .. i can probably put my archlinux in fstab and just point to it |
| 01:01.03 | crypticmofo | i should be fine |
| 01:01.42 | themill | VZ2iCarly: 1) in gnome/kde/etc there's an applications menu similar to whatever they are already used to. 2) the file managers have a big "home" button that answers that questoin 3) no idea, never had to deal with that, but various desktop environments have screen-readers, sticky keys etc. |
| 01:01.59 | LV-426 | hello, trying to salvage a 80% complete d-i session - is there any way to manually mark a step as complete from the d-i shell ? can't seem to get past the partition disks step... |
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| 01:02.31 | VZ2iCarly | those are "the basics" they are the statements I hear on a daily basis... how to address those concerns for NEW users ("Linux Vergins" who have never used linux before, they have heard of it but never seen it or used it, they are comming from windowqs or mac, or are even new computer users altogether) |
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| 01:03.02 | IHAXEX1337 | Hello |
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| 01:06.02 | dondelelcaro | LV-426: you can skip it if the disks are already partitioned and mounted |
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| 01:07.06 | VZ2iCarly | here's a question that i got from a new linux user a few years ago "Where's the C: Drive, My Flash Drive, My CD-Rom, Etc.? Where's the "Program Files/" or "/Applications" folder" so just saying "hit the home button and you'll be fine" isn't going to cut it for these people... how to resolve? |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: have you started reading the handbook yet? |
| 01:09.52 | LV-426 | just found the save-debug-logs-via-www option, making d-i installation logs accessible over http. cool. |
| 01:09.58 | themill | VZ2iCarly: I've not seen a new linux user as "where's the C: drive" for a long time because they don't ask such questions in other operating systems either. The big "home" and "desktop" buttons are ubiquitous. |
| 01:10.08 | LV-426 | makes finding 'grub-installer: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/mapper/vg0-lv--root' much easier... |
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| 01:11.38 | LV-426 | dondelelcaro, continue-without-boot-loader chokes due to an incomplete previous step = partitioning step... |
| 01:11.40 | themill | VZ2iCarly: how many mac users know where these things are? how many of them understand the unified filesystem approach of the unix-like system? How many need to do so to be able to plug in a usb stick and have it work. People who actually know these things in other operating systems are usually good enough at exploring for themselves. |
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| 01:12.20 | LV-426 | bah, same for 'finish the installation' |
| 01:12.44 | VZ2iCarly | well, the PDF is still downloading for the first question about the handbook... (loves technical manuals... thanks for that one... it's the best gift i've ever received from a stranmger to date!) and they are long time windows usaers who are set in their ways, and even if they switched to mac, they'd still be absolutely lost... asking "where's the C: drive" |
| 01:14.05 | crypticmofo | i found the words .. so my archlinux install mounts in my fstab to /mnt/archlinux .. in /mnt/archlinux i have a file called swapfile witch is a swap file do i have to swap on /mnt/archlinux/swapfile all the time or since /mnt/archlinux is in my fstab i can just put a entry in my fstab for /mnt/archlinux/swapfile ? |
| 01:14.09 | crypticmofo | if that makes any sense |
| 01:14.23 | crypticmofo | sorry guys im on debian im just trying to use archlinux swap file |
| 01:14.48 | IHAXEX1337 | Is opensuse or xubuntu better or is backtrack 5 |
| 01:14.54 | themill | VZ2iCarly: I'd love to know how they actually use the C drive with any windows installation past win2k or winxp. |
| 01:15.02 | themill | IHAXEX1337: you're in #debian. Debian is the best. |
| 01:15.52 | VZ2iCarly | themill: I don't quite understand your question, could you please explain? |
| 01:16.51 | themill | VZ2iCarly: filesystem permissions don't let a random user create files or directories anywhere they like under windows either. They can't do anything other than stay within their home directory. |
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| 01:18.42 | VZ2iCarly | this is very true, however even with filesystem permissions, all of them work in a "top-to-bottrom" workflow (start at C: and work their way down the directories untill they get to the one they neede) |
| 01:19.03 | themill | time to teach them about that home button |
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| 01:19.29 | VZ2iCarly | I know, it's time-consuming and annoying but that's the knind of clients i have to deal with |
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| 01:21.08 | IHAXEX1337 | Im doing this from my iPod touch |
| 01:22.48 | IHAXEX1337 | Im going to be switching over to my computer in a minute their |
| 01:22.52 | IHAXEX1337 | Thou |
| 01:23.00 | simonlnu | who's? |
| 01:23.07 | IHAXEX1337 | What is the best linux based OS |
| 01:23.26 | mcurran | probably backtrack linux 5 r3 |
| 01:23.41 | VZ2iCarly | OK, I've got the book, however, it's not properly tagged with bookmarks so that i may just quickly just to the section(s) I need, I either need to know the page number or go one by one through the pages... oh well, its better than having no help at all if you ask |
| 01:23.45 | VZ2iCarly | me |
| 01:23.45 | mcurran | but I'm going with Linux Mint Debian Edition, because I'm sick of reinstalling |
| 01:23.57 | IHAXEX1337 | oh |
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| 01:24.16 | IHAXEX1337 | Why reinstalling ??? |
| 01:24.42 | em | Is there any open source software that serves the same purpose as fruit loops or whatever application is used for making electronic music? |
| 01:24.44 | mcurran | because I'm lucid was getting pretty outdated |
| 01:24.55 | em | like electronica, dubstep, or EDM type music? |
| 01:24.56 | mcurran | plus I like building all my packages from source anyways. |
| 01:24.59 | VZ2iCarly | OK all, I'm out of here! thanks for all the great articles and tips you've shared with me |
| 01:25.02 | VZ2iCarly | bye all |
| 01:25.06 | mcurran | I like bleeding-edge. Keeps me busy |
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| 01:25.30 | dondelelcaro | em: there are lots of loopers and other sequencers out there |
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| 01:28.01 | IHAXEX1337 | again is there any good linux based OS's |
| 01:28.11 | nkuttler | IHAXEX1337: GNU/Linux is the most popular |
| 01:28.23 | dvs | IHAXEX1337: and you want an unbiased answer here |
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| 01:28.32 | dvs | ? |
| 01:28.49 | IHAXEX1337 | Yeah |
| 01:28.56 | themill | IHAXEX1337: you're in #debian. The answer is going to be "Debian". Go to http://www.debian.org/ to get it. |
| 01:29.21 | IHAXEX1337 | Actually? Which one do you favor |
| 01:29.28 | themill | ... |
| 01:29.29 | simonlnu | ... |
| 01:29.32 | dvs | ... |
| 01:29.36 | simonlnu | gives IHAXEX1337 a hearty slap |
| 01:29.49 | IHAXEX1337 | IM SERIOUS |
| 01:29.55 | themill | IHAXEX1337: so are we |
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| 01:30.05 | IHAXEX1337 | I don't know a lot about linux |
| 01:31.00 | simonlnu | pick one based on criteria you pick out, and not something someone else told you is "da bomb" |
| 01:31.03 | MrFrood | if you want to learn about linux debian would be a good one to start with (but I'm biased) |
| 01:31.11 | simonlnu | based on your needs and wants |
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| 01:31.46 | IHAXEX1337 | Well I need one I can do advanced coding, programming, etc |
| 01:31.59 | simonlnu | it's like buying computer hardware, you do some research |
| 01:32.14 | em | one thing i have learnt is that no matter what decision you make (on anything) you can always find someone who can give you a descent argument for why you did the wrong thing. |
| 01:32.21 | simonlnu | well, all of them do that. need to be more specific |
| 01:32.29 | MrFrood | IHAXEX1337: you can code on pretty much all flavours of linux |
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| 01:33.26 | simonlnu | decent* |
| 01:33.28 | IHAXEX1337 | Im coding an os at the moment on xubuntu but it can only code till so advanced |
| 01:33.50 | IHAXEX1337 | That's why I need a different linux os |
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| 01:34.19 | simonlnu | i don't understand what you mean |
| 01:35.05 | oo_miguel | what does: "will be deleated" mean, the packages marked as id when viewed with aptitude? When will they be deleted? |
| 01:35.06 | nkuttler | IHAXEX1337: ask a specific question |
| 01:35.12 | IHAXEX1337 | How do you not understand |
| 01:35.38 | nkuttler | IHAXEX1337: "advanced", for starters |
| 01:35.40 | MrFrood | oo_miguel: are they kernel packages? |
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| 01:35.50 | simonlnu | IHAXEX1337: just ignore that, please answer nkuttler's question. it'll help you make up your mind |
| 01:36.13 | simonlnu | (besides i gotta do some cooking ;p) |
| 01:36.28 | IHAXEX1337 | Ok how about this let me start for the reason why I came on this Debian channel |
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| 01:36.56 | IHAXEX1337 | The reason was actually to find people to help program the OS with me |
| 01:37.07 | Dewi | IHAXEX1337: how much you paying per hour? |
| 01:37.18 | IHAXEX1337 | Don't know yet |
| 01:37.20 | nkuttler | IHAXEX1337: this is the wrong place then, try ##programming or somesuch |
| 01:37.44 | IHAXEX1337 | Yeah I kno :) |
| 01:37.49 | oo_miguel | This are the packages in question : MrFrood : http://pastebin.com/NEZUf74u |
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| 01:38.15 | IHAXEX1337 | I just need the best coding OS |
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| 01:38.49 | Dewi | IHAXEX1337: it depends what you're coding. Debian is probably not the best for Windows dev |
| 01:38.56 | Dewi | but for everything else, it's fine |
| 01:39.00 | IHAXEX1337 | its not windows thou |
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| 01:40.21 | MrFrood | oo_miguel: the modules may be in use by the current running istance og linux, they should be deleted when you next do a shutdown/boot cycle |
| 01:40.36 | IHAXEX1337 | Ok so what I really need is an alternative to backtrack |
| 01:40.56 | oo_miguel | MrFrood: I rebooted since than :( |
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| 01:41.43 | nkuttler | IHAXEX1337: what you really need seems to change every few minutes |
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| 01:44.45 | MrFrood | oo_miguel: then one of the real brains of this outfit needs to step in and answer your question because I'm stumped |
| 01:45.03 | oo_miguel | allrighty but thank you anyway MrFrood |
| 01:45.41 | IHAXEX1337 | can someone just give me an alternative to backtrack |
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| 01:46.33 | streuner | IHAXEX1337: /msg dpkg backtrack |
| 01:47.13 | IHAXEX1337 | What does that command do |
| 01:47.35 | streuner | IHAXEX1337: it messages the bot and it tell you an info |
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| 01:48.24 | IHAXEX1337 | Oh ok then thanks but how will this find me a alternative to backtrack |
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| 01:48.48 | streuner | IHAXEX1337: according to your hostmask it seems to me that you rather be a bit paranoid |
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| 01:49.08 | IHAXEX1337 | What do you meet through that |
| 01:49.20 | IHAXEX1337 | Meen not meet |
| 01:49.44 | streuner | IHAXEX1337: just read the factoid (backtrack) |
| 01:50.02 | IHAXEX1337 | Ok then |
| 01:50.13 | themill | IHAXEX1337: I think we're going around in circles now. Either use debian and ask your questions in #debian, or go do some reading, use a different distribution, and ask your questions in the appropriate place. |
| 01:50.14 | streuner | IHAXEX1337: we are here to help people about Debian... |
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| 01:50.52 | IHAXEX1337 | So where should I go ask this |
| 01:50.56 | IHAXEX1337 | ??? |
| 01:51.01 | streuner | maybe ##linux |
| 01:51.26 | fleeky | irc is so much more helpfull then it used to be |
| 01:51.47 | themill | IHAXEX1337: in the channel for whatever distribution you chose. You have to chose for yourself... we've already told you our opinion ("use debian") but you have ignored us. Not much more we can do. |
| 01:52.15 | IHAXEX1337 | Where could I download Debian |
| 01:52.22 | themill | IHAXEX1337: you're in #debian. The answer is going to be "Debian". Go to http://www.debian.org/ to get it. |
| 01:52.51 | themill | also the first hit on google... not hard |
| 01:53.15 | oo_miguel | something completely different: it seems I can change files on a mounted ntfs parition, but NOT add or delete any? |
| 01:53.29 | oo_miguel | what do I need to change this? |
| 01:53.39 | IHAXEX1337 | Ok thanks I try it out and thanks for the help guys and if anyone wants to help program email me at notlrac11@icloud.com |
| 01:54.00 | streuner | oo_miguel: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
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| 01:54.37 | oo_miguel | thankx |
| 01:55.41 | streuner | oo_miguel: you're welcome |
| 01:56.09 | IHAXEX1337 | Goodbye |
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| 01:56.38 | dvs | yay |
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| 02:16.37 | dvs | !qotd53 |
| 02:16.38 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 02:24.29 | crypticmofo | ok im trying to print to a printer right .. i ran aptitude install cups cups-client i then ran /etc/init.d/cups start .. i tried to connect to my epson printer and no luck |
| 02:24.30 | crypticmofo | anyh ideas ? |
| 02:25.09 | dvs | crypticmofo: You probably have to configure your printer first. |
| 02:25.19 | crypticmofo | it is its a ipp printer |
| 02:25.24 | crypticmofo | its wireless |
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| 02:25.46 | themill | crypticmofo: sure. You still have to tell cups how to find it. |
| 02:25.47 | converge | is there someone using rtorrent here? |
| 02:26.09 | dvs | crypticmofo: add yourself to the lpadmin group and then browse to localhost:631 |
| 02:26.11 | crypticmofo | themill: im in chromium-browser right now i ran http://localhost:631/admin i get a oops error |
| 02:26.42 | crypticmofo | i did |
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| 02:26.52 | crypticmofo | ─> sudo usermod -a -G lpadmin cryptic |
| 02:26.55 | crypticmofo | per the website |
| 02:27.45 | crypticmofo | dvs: or the themill i don't think cups is running i did sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart and sudo /etc/init.d/cups start it just goes back to the command line |
| 02:28.01 | crypticmofo | ps aux |grep cups shows nothing |
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| 02:30.48 | crypticmofo | so wierd |
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| 02:33.47 | crypticmofo | anhy other ideas on cups ? |
| 02:33.50 | crypticmofo | show i reinstall it ? |
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| 02:38.46 | crypticmofo | wierd .. i swore i installed cups and cups-client per wiki i just did aptitiude install cups and cups-client there is nothing upgraded just 3 new installed |
| 02:38.52 | crypticmofo | dam u debian!!! |
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| 02:40.02 | crypticmofo | i think i know what happend |
| 02:40.19 | crypticmofo | i was playing with tasktel command and i removed stuff i didn't need i think it removed cups |
| 02:40.23 | kriebz | ok, what am I doing wrong with the snapshot debian installer. some nonsense about no modules found |
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| 02:48.59 | crypticmofo | so back to my printer / it printed right with no ink |
| 02:49.08 | crypticmofo | does this mean its a printer issue or i had wrong drivers ? |
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| 02:50.43 | kriebz | how is "no ink" "print[ing] right"? |
| 02:50.48 | VZ2iCarly | question: How to install a lampp server, and as such, allow for each individual user to have like a folder called "Sites" or "public_html" so that when you go to http://127.0.0.1/~username it displays the contents of your "sites" folder? and also, how to setup a basic mail (imap/smtp) server so that way users can "bang on" scripts that have email functionality (i.e. "forgot your password?", "subscribe to this thread...",) so that |
| 02:51.02 | VZ2iCarly | before implimenting it on their real-world server |
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| 02:52.49 | kriebz | VZ2iCarly: for 1, mod_userdir |
| 02:55.18 | kriebz | as for mail? that's harder, and you have options |
| 02:56.23 | VZ2iCarly | OK, mod_userdir. How to set that up from the GUI (GNOME, xfce, lxde)? |
| 02:58.14 | themill | that would have to be one of the more unusual questions |
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| 03:00.03 | VZ2iCarly | OK, take your time and research it, I've looked but found nothing, maybne you've got better luch trhan i do... |
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| 03:01.56 | themill | VZ2iCarly: a server doesn't normally have a gui and a desktop machine that has a gui wouldn't normally be running mod_userdir and in any case, configuring it involves editing a config file (and I doubt any actual configuration is needed) |
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| 03:08.39 | kriebz | it's fall-off-a-log easy, if you know what you're doing in *nix |
| 03:09.24 | kriebz | in debian, it's (after installing apache), `a2enmod userdir` |
| 03:09.25 | kriebz | done |
| 03:09.39 | kriebz | assuming you're using the packaged apache2 |
| 03:09.46 | kriebz | and not something stupid |
| 03:09.50 | themill | I'm pretty sure that the package enables userdir by default |
| 03:09.58 | kriebz | then it's 0 steps |
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| 03:15.23 | kriebz | the default directory name is public_html, so just make that directory, make sure it's world-readable (chmod 755 public_html) |
| 03:15.25 | kriebz | and put stuff in it |
| 03:16.00 | kriebz | sleeps |
| 03:17.08 | VZ2iCarly | sounds easy enough, now how to make that system-wide so i do it one time and each user is bang! done |
| 03:18.38 | themill | how many users are you doing this for? (and why are you the sysadmin for that many users if you can't do this in 1 line of shell snipped anyway?) |
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| 03:22.24 | VZ2iCarly | OK, doing this as a "side project" for our ITS dept. They've asked me to investigate debain squeeze as a conbined servewr (apache, php, mysql, mail) and desktop, they want it to be "take a suicide pill easy, and graphical is just that easy" in the words for my ITS director (Anna N. Smith) |
| 03:22.48 | abrotman | are they going to pay us? |
| 03:22.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:23.06 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: you really need to read some documentation |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: i could have a LAMP server within 20 minutes I'd guess ... |
| 03:23.35 | VZ2iCarly | she's trying to turn linux into another windows server 2003 emter[rose |
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| 03:24.02 | abrotman | moves VZ2iCarly's fingers one slot to the left |
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| 03:24.21 | VZ2iCarly | lol |
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| 03:26.35 | VZ2iCarly | well abrotman if you think you're up to the take, I've got the admin handbook on my desktop, but they're wanting a solution *right the f*ck now (no time to read through manauls... this is a "mission critical application") fg they tyold me" |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: debian.org/consultants |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:28.55 | themill | VZ2iCarly: it's mission critical that you, with no prior experience, prototype and then roll out a new desktop and server offering on behalf of your ITS people without reading the manuals. Sounds ideal. |
| 03:29.14 | themill | I can't imagine where it could go wrong at all. |
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| 03:32.31 | VZ2iCarly | yeah, our ITS guys just sit there and "fix" the i forgot my password issue, or the i got locked out of cws/cms, or stuff that is secirotu re;ated. otherwise, they push off all their other projects off on people like me who show even the slightest bit of interest in windows or linux |
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| 03:33.10 | VZ2iCarly | really it blows |
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| 03:37.29 | crypticmofo | is there a rule of thumb with backports ? does this mean A. im looking for a package on my current install and i can't find it .. then i just search backports correct ? |
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| 03:38.41 | LtL | crypticmofo: no |
| 03:39.16 | LtL | crypticmofo: if you want a newer version of an existing program you look at backpotered ones |
| 03:40.36 | crypticmofo | got it LtL |
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| 03:41.06 | LtL | crypticmofo: remember to use the -t target flag apt-get'ing a backport |
| 03:41.28 | crypticmofo | yea i learned that one so far |
| 03:41.43 | crypticmofo | aptitude -t squeeze-backports <command here> like search or whatever |
| 03:41.54 | LtL | rigt |
| 03:42.00 | LtL | right |
| 03:42.05 | VZ2iCarly | OK, I'm off to try and figure this one out on mmy own... |
| 03:42.17 | peterrooney | VZ2iCarly: your work environment sounds terrible; but for what you described, it really is as easy: "apt-get install apache2; a2enmod userdir" and it's in place for all users who have a public_html directory. if they want easier than logging in as root and typing five words (six, if you count "exit" afterwards), they are the problem. |
| 03:42.24 | crypticmofo | im trying to figure out what else i need to configure my system |
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| 03:43.31 | crypticmofo | im im not liking chormimum-broswer |
| 03:43.35 | crypticmofo | anyone using another browser |
| 03:43.40 | crypticmofo | possibly firefox or something else ? |
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| 03:43.49 | crypticmofo | its like it works when it wants to |
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| 03:45.44 | pavanky | am running debian sid + kde on virtualbox. no sound. anyone point me in the right direction ? (new to debian, linux user for a few years) |
| 03:45.53 | LtL | crypticmofo: iceweasel 16.0.2 # deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 03:46.47 | LtL | crypticmofo: add that to sources.list and grab it, xulrunner comes with it, a newer version |
| 03:47.00 | crypticmofo | wierd update-alternatives --config x-www-browser number 3 = iceweasel |
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| 03:47.32 | crypticmofo | oh wow version 3.5.16 |
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| 03:49.00 | crocket | I want to obtain tomcat 7 on debian stable. How can I do it? |
| 03:49.24 | crypticmofo | LtL: i need the keyring |
| 03:49.51 | crypticmofo | #aptitude install debian-keyring ? |
| 03:50.09 | LtL | crypticmofo: go to their page |
| 03:50.25 | crypticmofo | yea im on it thanks |
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| 03:58.17 | LtL | crypticmofo: you want this line also, #deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 04:02.50 | mmnicolas | ..without the comment I guess |
| 04:03.09 | LtL | mmnicolas: yes of course |
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| 04:05.45 | crypticmofo | LtL: i will learn aout non-free and free probably tomrorow |
| 04:05.52 | crypticmofo | im just tryuing to figure out what else i need to install |
| 04:05.58 | crypticmofo | eventuallyi will do a distupgrade |
| 04:06.08 | crypticmofo | not anytime soon i really need to learn these commands |
| 04:07.00 | LtL | crypticmofo: i should have been more verbose, you sounded experienced, you'll be fine :) |
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| 04:07.36 | LtL | crypticmofo: dont go crazy with backports, sage advice |
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| 04:07.44 | crypticmofo | ok |
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| 04:10.30 | crypticmofo | LtL: i was telling babilen this morning cause ive only been on debian for 8 hours fo the begning of the day i didn't realize archlinux is a crutch of an os .. you get used to it just doing stuff .. you don't really search or go look for stuff |
| 04:11.18 | crypticmofo | i tried woody way back when |
| 04:11.19 | LtL | crypticmofo: this channel will assist you |
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| 04:13.18 | LtL | crypticmofo: biggest mistake to avoid is bad repo sources, dont do it! |
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| 04:16.35 | crypticmofo | omg this pointer gets crazy |
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| 04:23.46 | LtL | crypticmofo: what 'pointer' would that be? |
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| 04:35.06 | crypticmofo | LtL: i use i3-wm and my mouse freezes up a while |
| 04:35.18 | crypticmofo | i going to chat the #i3 people over on there irc server tomorrow |
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| 04:35.59 | LtL | crypticmofo: gnome user here |
| 04:37.55 | LtL | crypticmofo: firmware-linux meta-package might help |
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| 04:38.15 | crypticmofo | LtL: never heard of it |
| 04:38.30 | crypticmofo | LtL: how would i know of this if you didn't say it .. did you do a search in the repo ? |
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| 04:39.03 | LtL | crypticmofo: aptitude search firmware |
| 04:39.39 | LtL | crypticmofo: its something most of us always install, build-essential is another, many more.. |
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| 04:41.17 | crypticmofo | aw |
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| 04:42.51 | crypticmofo | LtL: firmware-metapackage i can't find |
| 04:42.54 | cybes | hi all.. |
| 04:43.13 | crypticmofo | LtL: i do see firmware-linux firmware-linx-free firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 04:43.14 | cybes | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.18 | cybes | is this debian channel same as irc.debian.org? |
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| 04:44.39 | cbeust | cybes: no, different network |
| 04:44.49 | LtL | crypticmofo: theres firmware-linux firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 04:44.51 | cbeust | cybes: how are you trying to save your bash settings? |
| 04:45.26 | cybes | using PS1 command |
| 04:45.50 | cbeust | cybes: how exactly? |
| 04:46.08 | themill | PS1 is a variable, not a command |
| 04:46.09 | cbeust | I don't know of a PS1 command, only a environment variable |
| 04:46.12 | cbeust | is anyone else developing in java? is there a more recommended IDE to use in debian? like netbeans or eclipse or idea or something? |
| 04:46.39 | crocket | Oh god |
| 04:46.43 | crocket | Debian is so complex. |
| 04:46.44 | cybes | to change the settings like "PS1="[\d \t \u@\h:\w ] $ " but it doesn't get when i open a new terminal or logout |
| 04:47.11 | cbeust | cybes: you would have to put that into your .bashrc (or maybe .bash_profile or some such) |
| 04:47.26 | cbeust | cybes: enviroment variables only last as long as their environment |
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| 04:47.43 | crypticmofo | or /etc/profile |
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| 04:47.57 | cybes | so could i edit the .bash_profile and insert the command PS1=... |
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| 04:48.07 | cybes | is there any syntax |
| 04:48.10 | crypticmofo | i could be wrong |
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| 04:48.20 | crypticmofo | im new to debian o_O |
| 04:48.22 | cbeust | i would expect /etc/profile to be shell agnostic |
| 04:48.27 | cybes | i'm not having root access |
| 04:49.01 | cbeust | cybes: use .bashrc not .bash_profile |
| 04:49.30 | cybes | there is only one if condition in bashrc cbeust |
| 04:49.34 | LtL | cybes: put that line at the bottom of ~/.bashrc it will be sourced when you open the new terminal. |
| 04:49.49 | cbeust | looks like /etc/skel/.bashrc is already setting PS1 |
| 04:49.50 | themill | bash's start-up scripts are annoying and its idea of what a login or interactive shell is and your idea of these concepts is rather different |
| 04:50.08 | sdfdfsdf | WHILE YOPU'RE DUYNG I IWOL STILL AKOVE |
| 04:50.17 | ceil | wat |
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| 04:52.35 | cybes | bash_profile has one if condition .~./bashrc |
| 04:52.52 | cbeust | cybes: why are you worried about the number of "if condition"s? |
| 04:53.07 | cybes | so where should i write the PS1 command inside if condition or outside |
| 04:53.14 | cbeust | cybes: in .bashrc |
| 04:53.31 | cbeust | inside a file referred to by ~/.bashrc |
| 04:54.02 | cybes | should i paste that two lines here? |
| 04:54.07 | cybes | of bashrc |
| 04:54.28 | cbeust | no? |
| 04:54.50 | cbeust | cybes: if you have a PS1=somehting setting that makes your prompt look the way you want, put that into your .bashrc |
| 04:55.16 | cybes | ok cbeust: so i should put that command after the if condition fi} right? |
| 04:55.53 | LtL | cybes: put it as the last line of that file, all by itself. |
| 04:56.11 | cbeust | it doesn't matter when that variable is set, as long as it is set by the time the end of that file is reached |
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| 04:57.02 | cybes | oh thank you all that worked |
| 04:57.07 | cbeust | if there is only one conditional statement in .bashrc, i guess that means he (or someone else) has already done a bunch of customization |
| 04:57.53 | cybes | yeah i'm a trainee and haven't got system admin priveliage |
| 04:58.01 | cybes | *privelage |
| 04:58.42 | LtL | cybes: that file in your /home/ is yours |
| 04:58.43 | cybes | can't able to install any package or so..that needs admin pass |
| 04:58.51 | cybes | :) yep |
| 04:59.56 | cybes | i used mibbit for irc and some dudes told me to use chatzilla that doesn't require root to install as add-on |
| 05:01.46 | cybes | the irc freenode contains 4000 channels when i tried to list are there all users in those channels |
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| 05:01.54 | cybes | ?? |
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| 05:02.31 | LtL | cybes: you might be able to compile irssi in /home/ without root |
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| 05:02.43 | cybes | i'm new here thats why i asked..and i've logged in to debian irc(irc.debian.org) |
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| 05:03.01 | cybes | irssi a client LtL ? |
| 05:03.05 | cbeust | there should be way more than 4000 channels |
| 05:03.19 | LtL | cybes: yes a comand line client |
| 05:03.28 | cbeust | and all of them contain SOMEONE, or they wouldn't exist, that someone in rare cases might only be a bot |
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| 05:03.44 | cybes | so we need to install after compiling right?i think that requires root |
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| 05:04.16 | cybes | cbeust: i saw some blog sites as channels what are they? |
| 05:05.20 | LtL | cybes: system wide would require root, theres a package, but you may be able to build it in your home dir without root, not sure |
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| 05:06.06 | cybes | ok LtL i'll try that |
| 05:06.29 | cbeust | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 05:06.45 | cbeust | how "blog sites as channels" might be different than just "channels" |
| 05:06.46 | cybes | i think irc.debian.org comes under OFTC irc right? |
| 05:07.02 | LtL | cybes: are you familiar with compiling, it will require a compiler already installed. |
| 05:07.06 | cbeust | irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net. |
| 05:07.13 | cbeust | says "host irc.debian.org" |
| 05:07.32 | Uuni | I love you all!!! |
| 05:07.33 | cybes | ok cbeust.. |
| 05:07.47 | cybes | Uuni: guess an indian? |
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| 05:08.36 | LtL | hi Uuni |
| 05:08.47 | cybes | LtL..i thought the compiling you mentioned was like making and compiling a package in terminal |
| 05:09.12 | cybes | i don't know whether i've a compiler or not |
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| 05:09.44 | LtL | cybes: unpack the tarball, cd to dir, ./configure ; make ; make install is the typical process. |
| 05:09.44 | cbeust | cybes: the best thing is to work with the sysadmins, see what they recommend or ask them to install what you want them to install |
| 05:10.33 | cbeust | unless you want to take on the responsibility to tracking the security patches for whatever you are going to compile and make sure to patch and recompile when there are security patches |
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| 05:10.40 | cybes | cbeust: i think that not be allowed as i'm just a trainee |
| 05:11.04 | cbeust | not allowed to do what? |
| 05:11.21 | cybes | to ask them to install something that i need |
| 05:11.45 | cbeust | then ask them what you should use |
| 05:11.54 | cybes | :) |
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| 05:12.11 | cbeust | if you can't even ask them to install something, you certainly shouldn't install something yourself, so ask them what you should use |
| 05:12.51 | cybes | they said you can use whatever is in the system and do whatever you can with your privilage as a user but not any thing with root |
| 05:13.19 | cybes | and nobody in this small company use irc for sure |
| 05:13.49 | cybes | in local systems like trainees don't know about senior admins.. |
| 05:15.11 | cbeust | cybes: so you probably want "aptitude search '~i~d\birc\b'" or sometihng to figure out what irc clients are installed |
| 05:15.35 | cbeust | if you have axi-cache there are probably better ways |
| 05:16.22 | cybes | apt-get ~i~d\birc\b ?? |
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| 05:16.47 | cbeust | i don't understand the question |
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| 05:17.15 | simonlnu | he said "aptitude search" |
| 05:17.21 | simonlnu | not apt-get |
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| 05:17.30 | cbeust | i would expect the command "aptitude search '~i~d\birc\b'" to list installed irc clients (possibly with false positives) |
| 05:17.44 | cybes | ok |
| 05:19.15 | cybes | yep 3 libraries and pidgin |
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| 05:20.31 | simonlnu | pidgin is a little unwieldly as an irc client but it works |
| 05:21.15 | cybes | i don't know how to use irc in pidgin..we use pidgin here to chat with company employees |
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| 05:22.07 | simonlnu | you make a new account, and choose irc as network (or whatever they call it) |
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| 05:22.35 | cybes | can i understand what that command '~i~d\birc\b means?? |
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| 05:23.00 | simonlnu | it's in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 05:23.12 | cybes | ok ty |
| 05:23.37 | LtL | cybes: if you feel brave look at irssi.org |
| 05:23.56 | cybes | ok Ltl..i'll look |
| 05:24.19 | simonlnu | erm, unwieldy* |
| 05:24.39 | cybes | thank you all..i gotta some work..will be back soon |
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| 05:33.53 | onlylove | i have upgraded libsqlite by mistake ,how could i downgrade the libsql ? |
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| 05:35.47 | themill | onlylove: umm... what? how? why? Real output in a pastebin might be handy. |
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| 05:38.56 | onlylove | themill: i had installde iceweasel esr in backports,and i didn't metion that it upgraded libsqlite ,yesterday i want to combine apache2.4 i use apt-get build-dep apache2 ,and i was told that libsqlite-dev can't be installed because of the version of libsqlite |
| 05:40.23 | themill | onlylove: install libsqlite-dev from squeeze-backports as well |
| 05:41.00 | onlylove | themill: thanks ,i will have a try |
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| 06:15.48 | niman | hi every one i got this err when my linux boot up = status : {DRDY ERR} erorr : {UNC} configured for UDMA/100 |
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| 06:56.45 | bronx24 | Hey guys. How do I remove a symlink created by this? ln -s /home/name/lol/bin/exec /usr/local/bin |
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| 06:59.13 | vyadhaka | how to remotely login to an encrypted system (luks), i.e., how can I enter the passphrase remotely? |
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| 07:36.38 | ronny | anyone aware of a debian repo that ships builds of the latest kernel release unmodified? |
| 07:37.28 | smiller | Hi. Does anybody here know how to increase the actual sensitivity of a mouse? I need both mouse acceleration to be disable and to be able to move the cursor by a single pixel. |
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| 07:57.13 | ronny | re |
| 07:57.31 | ronny | did anyone answer while i suffered connection problems? |
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| 07:58.47 | Lasse- | ronny: Nope |
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| 08:00.26 | djeleas | hi |
| 08:00.28 | djeleas | Building only for 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 |
| 08:00.28 | djeleas | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the |
| 08:00.30 | djeleas | kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." |
| 08:00.36 | djeleas | what does it mean ? |
| 08:00.53 | nvz | ronny: no, and no.. |
| 08:00.55 | somiaj | ronny: there are tools to compile your own kernel. Which is your best bet if you don't want to run a debian kernel. |
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| 08:01.12 | somiaj | djeleas: you need to install the linux-headers packge for that kernel |
| 08:01.37 | djeleas | oki I try |
| 08:01.59 | somiaj | djeleas: I belive it is just linux-headers-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 |
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| 08:04.37 | ronny | somiaj, i know i can compile my own, but that tends to be relatively troublesome and time consuming |
| 08:05.05 | ronny | somiaj, so i'd like to get away from that |
| 08:05.16 | djeleas | oh, perfect, thanks. I must learn what is different between kernel and headers |
| 08:05.17 | somiaj | ronny: why do you want a newer kernel? You can copy the config for the debian kernel at /boot/config-ver and just use that config |
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| 08:05.56 | somiaj | djeleas: headers are parts of the source code that made the kernel. (needed when compling a module for that kernel) |
| 08:06.01 | ronny | soapie, btrfs enhancements, the debian standard kernels are a bit too old for 2 features i need |
| 08:06.07 | somiaj | djeleas: the kernel is the binary that runs |
| 08:06.27 | somiaj | ronny: is 3.2 to old? Yea if you want something newer than 3.2 in debian you will have to compile by hand. |
| 08:07.16 | ronny | soapie, yeah, 3.2 is ages old |
| 08:07.24 | somiaj | unsure when sid will start getting new kernels, but wouldn't surprise me if it isn't until wheezy is released |
| 08:07.56 | ronny | i see |
| 08:08.03 | somiaj | I woudln't go so far as ages, it is a modern kernel. But yea basically since a bit before the freeze |
| 08:08.04 | ronny | hmm |
| 08:08.41 | ronny | somiaj, when using a still stabilizing fs, it is ages |
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| 08:11.01 | somiaj | ronny: oh yea, I know how that goes. So easist method is take a config from debian's 3.2 kernel and modify it to your liking. (shouldn't have to do to much modification I woudl think) |
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| 08:11.29 | ronny | i suppose i'll have to do it that way |
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| 08:16.53 | somiaj | don't have much of a choice on debian at the moment. Or just convert to a more supported file system until after the freeze is done. |
| 08:17.23 | somiaj | I assume lots of effort is being spent there and there is no reason to work on newer kernels at this time. |
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| 08:29.06 | Eagleman | I am trying to get php 5.2.* and php 5.3.3 ( which is already installed using apt-get ) running on the same machine, i want for example, the folder /var/www/php5.2 to use php 5.2 and 5.3 to use the folder /var/www/php5.3. I've heard this was possible with fcgi and suexec ( http://www.psi-jack.info/wiki/web-servers/apache-web-server/php-fastcgi-and-suexec ) But i now i am stuck an compiling |
| 08:29.06 | Eagleman | php 5.2.4 for my debian machine, i tried this after downloading php 5.2.4 package: ./configure –prefix=/usr/local/PACKAGES/php-5.2.4-norm –with-openssl=/usr/local/PACKAGES/openssl-0.9.8d –with-zlib –enable-force-cgi-redirect –enable-fastcgi –with-mysql=/usr/local/PACKAGES/mysql-5.0.41 –enable-static –with-config-file-path=/etc/php.ini –with-imap –with-mcrypt –with-curl |
| 08:29.06 | Eagleman | =/usr/local/PACKAGES/curl-7.16.1/ –with-kerberos –with-imap-ssl and then another turtorial said i had to use ./make but the ./make file cannot be found, any idea where i start? |
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| 08:48.55 | Girls_Escort | Porn Sex Girls Escorts (double click)--> Eagle 1 http://fredfilms.blogspot.com |
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| 08:51.52 | ChrisH | Is it possible to limit the number of SYN requests to a specific port to eg. 1 per second per IP using iptables? |
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| 08:52.32 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: yes, you'll need to use -m limit |
| 08:53.32 | cm13g09 | http://serverfault.com/questions/340256/should-i-rate-limit-packets-with-iptables has details in the question. It also raises valid points about why not to use it |
| 08:53.34 | indego | ChrisH, eg: iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 1822 -m limit --limit 20/sec -j ACCEPT |
| 08:54.38 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: if you're looking to rate limit for Apache, I believe there are modules for that as well |
| 08:54.47 | cm13g09 | (apache modules that is) |
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| 08:59.16 | ChrisH | I am mainly looking for ssh-brute-force attacks. |
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| 09:01.15 | indego | ChrisH, in that case look at fail2ban |
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| 09:02.10 | ChrisH | I have some scripts in place to block single IPs, but I just saw the logs from a really aggressive attck last night. |
| 09:02.47 | ChrisH | indego: in your idea, where is the limitation to rate per source IP? |
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| 09:05.06 | indego | ChrisH, there was none. This was a simple hack to stop a server being overloaded due to a NAS reboot. As cm13g09 stated, it is not a good solution. |
| 09:05.46 | indego | fail2ban is intended to be dynamic and deal with brute force attacks. Check it out. |
| 09:06.55 | ChrisH | fail2ban looks much better. thanks for pointing out. |
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| 09:29.25 | jimcooncat-again | Previously I had a separate /home partition. I reinstalled Squeeze and wound up with just one partition for all. How do I mount my old /home back in place? Is it just by editing /etc/fstab? What about the UUID's? |
| 09:30.49 | ChrisH | jimcooncat-again: correcting fstab is the correct approach. MOunt it by UUID or devicefile name. |
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| 09:32.13 | jimcooncat-again | What will give me the UUID? parted? |
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| 09:32.56 | ChrisH | man blkid |
| 09:33.06 | jimcooncat-again | thanks a lot ChrisH ! |
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| 09:34.37 | ChrisH | jimcooncat-again: YW |
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| 09:36.57 | peetaur | to add a script to my initramfs, can I simply put a chmod +rx file in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount and run update-initramfs? |
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| 09:42.49 | darsie | I want a newer avg-gcc. I'm thinking about getting the one in testing on my stable. Would download it and compile it on stable? |
| 09:43.21 | darsie | avr-gcc* |
| 09:44.19 | darsie | I have avr-gcc 4.3.5, testing has 4.7.0, newest is 4.7.2 (IMHO). |
| 09:44.55 | darsie | Package name is gcc-avr |
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| 09:46.24 | ChrisH | ,v gcc-avr |
| 09:46.26 | judd | Package: gcc-avr on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.3.2-1; squeeze: 1:4.3.5-1; sid: 1:4.7.0-2; wheezy: 1:4.7.0-2 |
| 09:46.50 | ChrisH | dpkg tel darsie about backports |
| 09:46.50 | dpkg | ChrisH: wish i knew |
| 09:47.01 | engla | ,checkbackport gcc-avr |
| 09:47.06 | judd | Backporting package gcc-avr in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils-avr (>= 2.20.1-2), gcc-4.7-source. |
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| 09:49.07 | no_gravity | Hello People! I have a machine that on random occurances kill scripts with the message "./scriptname.sh line 11: 15762 Killed". Any idea what could cause this? |
| 09:49.41 | darsie | out of memory? |
| 09:49.47 | ChrisH | no_gravity: someone edited the script during execution? |
| 09:50.00 | no_gravity | darsie: unlikely |
| 09:50.02 | no_gravity | ChrisH: no |
| 09:50.28 | no_gravity | it does not seem related to the script. it also kills ssh threads for example. i ssh to another machine and suddenly it kills the connection. |
| 09:50.50 | darsie | evil hacker? |
| 09:51.06 | ChrisH | is it allways line 11? some badly coded script killing the wrong processes? |
| 09:51.12 | no_gravity | darsie: probably crappy hoster. its a hetzner machine. |
| 09:51.36 | engla | soft or hard resource limits then |
| 09:51.50 | no_gravity | engla: but it seems very random, when it happens. |
| 09:52.28 | no_gravity | ChrisH: on that script its always line 11. but line 11 takes by far the most time in the script. so a random kill would probably always hit line 11 too. |
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| 09:53.38 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I only had a few connections with Hetzner and would disagree on crappy hoster. |
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| 09:54.18 | darsie | I would assume resource exhaustion appears quite random. I had a data/stack collision on a microcontroller ... :) |
| 09:54.19 | ChrisH | Is there a way from a script to get the PID of the killing process? Idea: trap the signal and dump a ps -efl into some file before exiting |
| 09:54.21 | no_gravity | ChrisH: my experiences over the last years where really bad with hetzner. this is my last machine with them. planning to move it away too. |
| 09:54.46 | no_gravity | ChrisH: trap the kill signal? how? |
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| 09:55.38 | ChrisH | no_gravity: assuming its bash... man bash and search for trap [-lp] [[arg] sigspec ...] |
| 09:56.04 | no_gravity | ChrisH: hmm.. i rather spent that time planning to migrate that server away from hetzner. |
| 09:56.33 | ChrisH | Is it a shared server? |
| 09:57.07 | squawk | what do you guys look for in a server, and what webserver do you guys prefer? |
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| 09:57.50 | no_gravity | ChrisH: no, a dedicated, managed server. |
| 09:58.02 | no_gravity | squawk: it should work. |
| 09:58.27 | squawk | well other than that lol |
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| 09:59.32 | no_gravity | squawk: with server, do you mean something like "apache" or something like "root server L hosted by 1und1"? |
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| 10:00.07 | ChrisH | no_gravity: thats what our customer is running, too. Then no kill from Hetzner should be initiated at all. |
| 10:00.23 | squawk | well since this is #debian i assume most of you don't use apache or cpanel servers |
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| 10:01.14 | ChrisH | squawk: I had similar questions as no_gravity asked in my fingers... I do not understand what you expect as answer. I look for an option to mirror my root disks. |
| 10:01.26 | squawk | i use nginx and cherokee for serious performance configs |
| 10:01.50 | squawk | oh like hardware raid10 etc.. |
| 10:02.18 | no_gravity | ChrisH: have you got an apache log of your customer? when i ask people with hetzner servers to search for HTTP 500 in their logs, they usually find one unexplainable 500 in about 20000 requests. Killed http requests and you never find the reason. |
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| 10:04.48 | squawk | no_gravity: oom kill perhaps? |
| 10:05.08 | ChrisH | oom would be visible in messages |
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| 10:06.04 | squawk | and it's not currently? |
| 10:06.11 | no_gravity | squawk: whats that? |
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| 10:06.23 | no_gravity | ChrisH: in which messages? |
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| 10:07.30 | squawk | no_gravity: OOM = Out of Memory |
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| 10:09.41 | no_gravity | squawk: doubt it, cause it happens with scripts that use almost no memory |
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| 10:10.04 | squawk | what's the script that got the 500? |
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| 10:11.37 | no_gravity | squawk: its not related to the script. it also kills other scripts. it also kills ssh connections. outgoing ssh connection. not incomming ones. |
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| 10:12.26 | squawk | kills the proc that initiated the outgoing connection, or just the connection |
| 10:12.58 | no_gravity | squawk: i dont know. i get "killed" on my screen and thats it. |
| 10:13.08 | no_gravity | guess it kills the proc. |
| 10:13.23 | squawk | and is this a dedi or vps |
| 10:14.44 | no_gravity | squawk: dedi |
| 10:16.36 | squawk | what software do you have installed currently |
| 10:17.38 | squawk | as far as system-level software installed as root |
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| 10:18.38 | ChrisH | no_gravity: Meanwhile I had a look into our customers hetzner systems. Nothing found. an OOM is visible in the messages file |
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| 10:18.57 | no_gravity | ChrisH: your gepped the log files for 500? |
| 10:19.23 | ChrisH | no_gravity: yes... the apaches do not log anything. logging turned off |
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| 10:19.56 | no_gravity | ChrisH: then you cannot see the 500s. so you dont know if you have that problem. |
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| 10:25.21 | ChrisH | Its our customer's decision. I cannot change it. But we will keep an eye on these boxes for strange behaviour. |
| 10:26.07 | no_gravity | ChrisH: you could run wget in a loop to request one of your dynamically generated pages 1mio times and see if it returns the same page everytime. make sure to bust through all sorts of caches. if you get the page dynamically created correctly 1mio times, i would think you dont have the problem. i would be especially interested in a page that makes an outbound request while creating the output. |
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| 10:29.42 | Narada | hey guys; what exactly is the difference between apt-get and aptitude? (other than the fact that aptitude takes a lot longer to type out :) |
| 10:29.59 | Narada | can i just stick to apt-get or should i be using aptitude by default? |
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| 10:30.09 | nevyn | Narada: the handling of reccomends |
| 10:30.24 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I do not think this is possible with the customers setup and the way they use these systems. |
| 10:30.25 | nevyn | Narada: and aptitude can do things that apt-get can't |
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| 10:31.08 | ChrisH | Narada: aptitude search and aptitude why|whynot is cool... but I stick with apt-* for the rest. I am used to apt-* |
| 10:31.09 | Narada | nevyn: i see; i don't know what recommends is about yet; but it seems strange to me that the existing command hasn't been enhanced and a second command has been created |
| 10:31.19 | Chousuke | if all you ever do is install packages by their name, apt-get is fine. aptitude is better if you have more complicated situations |
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| 10:31.35 | nevyn | Narada: so aptitude can do stuff with reccomends if you want |
| 10:31.41 | Chousuke | it can also give you multiple possible solutions when you have eg. conflicting packages or versions. |
| 10:31.47 | Narada | ChrisH: yeah i'm used to it too; i just use apt-get; and it seems to work for everything i do |
| 10:31.50 | nevyn | Narada: also aptitude has a far more powerful dependancy resolver. |
| 10:32.34 | Narada | so why not alias aptitude to apt-get? what do we need apt-get for? |
| 10:33.14 | Chousuke | I suppose apt-get is there for compatibility. |
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| 10:33.30 | Chousuke | and since the tools don't conflict in any way there is no harm in having both |
| 10:33.33 | homes | apt-get has at least one function aptitude doesn't, doesn't it? |
| 10:33.33 | ChrisH | apt-get is faster for stanard stuff, like apt-get install ssh |
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| 10:33.59 | nevyn | it has supercow powers? |
| 10:34.22 | Narada | i have to say as someone who used debian and ubuntu ages ago and is coming back to it after a few years i find this dichotomy a little perplexing |
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| 10:34.38 | Narada | but i guess i'll just use apt-get until i hit some problem that it can't solve |
| 10:34.41 | homes | though it may be that i'm ignorant, what replaces apt-get source? |
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| 10:34.55 | Narada | supercow powers?! dude ... why didn't you say so before? |
| 10:35.04 | nevyn | Narada: apt-get moo |
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| 10:35.34 | homes | Narada: aptitude has been recommended over apt-get i think as far back as the woody or woody+1 release notes |
| 10:35.49 | ChrisH | some man page explain about supercow power... but I do not find the man page now. |
| 10:35.57 | Narada | Unable to locate package moo :( |
| 10:36.10 | dcpc007 | hum think apt-get already recommanded for major upgrade (squeeze -> wheezy) |
| 10:36.18 | Chousuke | not apt-get install moo, apt-get moo :P |
| 10:36.22 | ChrisH | Some upgrade release notes excplicit say not to use aptitude for upgrades |
| 10:36.51 | homes | in the past they've said to use it, curious state! |
| 10:36.52 | Narada | oh sweet; i was not aware of that trick |
| 10:36.56 | Narada | that made my day |
| 10:37.03 | Chousuke | aptitude moo is more boring |
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| 10:37.28 | Narada | yes it is; i just tried both |
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| 10:37.38 | homes | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgrading_other |
| 10:37.53 | babilen | homes: It isn't for the upgrade from lenny to squeeze. But deciding which tool to use should depend on the task at hand and there really isn't a "foo is always better". aptitude has distinct features that make it a perfect fit for situations in which you need them (resolver, interactive resolver, search capabilities, ...) and apt-get has others (you can switch to different resolvers, speed, ...) |
| 10:38.11 | homes | Narada: start adding aptitude moo -v..-vv.... |
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| 10:38.49 | Narada | lol |
| 10:38.52 | Narada | nice |
| 10:38.57 | babilen | Really, just use the tool that fits the task at hand. I typically use apt-get (with different resolvers if necessary) unless I need aptitude's features. |
| 10:39.34 | Chousuke | I tend to use aptitude for most things |
| 10:39.37 | Chousuke | it's fast enough. |
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| 10:39.42 | Narada | ok i'm sure there were reasons to create this split technically but for the users i feel it would have been better to establish a single standard |
| 10:40.16 | homes | babilen: i agree. but it seems many/most just use apt-get for everything. the aptitude users always know about apt-get, but not neccessily vis versa |
| 10:40.24 | peetaur | I have a system with LVM2 that I want to run a new kernel on. I get this error during boot: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj81/peetaur/proxmoxkernel36boot.png and in that initramfs shell, if I run "lvm" then "pvck /dev/sda3" then "lvdisplay" I see my volumes, but when I exit lvm and then run it again, "lvdisplay" says nothing is found. So that means also adding such commands to the initramfs scripts has no effect, since the effect is gone when the |
| 10:40.26 | peetaur | command exits. Can someone tell me hwo to fix this? I tried things from here http://jim.studt.net/depository/index.php/debian-lenny-and-grub-with-boot-in-lvm but they didn't work. And I tried things from here http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/lvm-root/lvm-root.html but the files there are way different than mine, so it was hard to do any of it, and nothing worked. |
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| 10:42.26 | babilen | Narada: There are *many* competing front-ends to libapt. cupt and wajig being frequently used for example |
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| 10:43.37 | Narada | babilen: yes but only aptitude and apt are seen in official documentation which leaves one wondering why |
| 10:44.01 | Narada | in guis i've used synaptic which is quite nice i suppose |
| 10:44.10 | Narada | but i rarely ever use gui package managers |
| 10:45.03 | babilen | Narada: Well, it just boils down to: "Use whatever you are comfortable with and whatever fits what you are trying to achieve" ;) |
| 10:45.11 | niels1 | peetaur, when you are in the initramfs shell, try "vgscan ; vgchange -ay" (without going into lvm first) and then see if the volumes are there |
| 10:45.18 | Narada | yeah true |
| 10:45.34 | Narada | well if nothing else i'm a little wiser about the differences and the motivations |
| 10:46.25 | Narada | take this page for example: http://wiki.debian.org/KDE; under Installing "KDE Desktop" task it first uses apt-get and then aptitude; lol :) |
| 10:46.52 | Narada | i don't suppose there's any sign of kde 4.9.3 on debian 6.0.6 stable yet |
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| 10:47.26 | babilen | Narada: There will never be. Stable is *stable* (as in "not changing") that is the *whole* point of stable :-D |
| 10:48.04 | peetaur | niels1: none of the lvm tools exist in the initramfs shell except lvm |
| 10:48.10 | Narada | yeah ... to be quite frank that's why i'm using stable; we're doing some hardcore multigpu opencl benchmarking and ubuntu proved too unstable and heavyweight for this purpose |
| 10:48.26 | babilen | I also doubt that somebody backports KDE to squeeze and that would require testing to have 4.9 (while it has 4.8) |
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| 10:48.43 | peetaur | niels1: I added them to /etc/initramfs-tools/exe (created the file, guessed the name based on old /etc/mkinitrd/exe location) and it didn't include them either |
| 10:48.54 | Narada | there were also bugs with raid on boot with ubuntu which annoyed the hell out of me |
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| 10:51.05 | niels1 | peetaur, if the links don't exist, you can also use "lvm vgscan ; lvm vgchange -ay". i just meant that you should try it without going into the lvm shell |
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| 10:51.29 | Narada | well ... some things i needed to be on the bleeding edge for like amd catalyst drivers 12.11 beta because earlier versions are incompatible with X |
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| 10:53.17 | peetaur | niels1: yes I used those (and tried thim in an initramfs script too) and they have no effect |
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| 10:53.35 | peetaur | they only let me see the logical volumes if I run them within the same "lvm" shell without quitting lvm in between |
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| 10:56.30 | niels1 | peetaur, well, your problem actually sounds strange in that case. and i wonder why the symlinks didn't get created. is that debian squeeze? what filesystem is /boot on? |
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| 10:57.03 | peetaur | /boot is on ext3 on a normal partition; root is on ext3 on lvm |
| 10:57.24 | peetaur | it is squeeze (but it's proxmox) |
| 10:57.37 | niels1 | i don't know what proxmox is |
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| 10:57.53 | peetaur | it's a prepackaged kvm plus web gui and clustering thing |
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| 10:58.37 | peetaur | lsb_release -d says Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 (squeeze) |
| 10:59.06 | ksk | peetaur: you are not using debian, thus this is not the channel for you |
| 10:59.12 | ksk | ask them proxmox guys :> |
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| 10:59.45 | boudiccas | "proxmox |
| 10:59.56 | peetaur | the broken tool seems to be the initramfs, which they don't maintain, so no help from them |
| 10:59.58 | boudiccas | !proxmox |
| 10:59.59 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 11:12.08 | jimcooncat-again | why oh why is numlock off on default installs? |
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| 11:14.20 | jimcooncat-again | is installing numlockx still the cure for this? |
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| 11:14.52 | jimcooncat-again | I'm using xfce, but like to have numlock working when in native terminal as well |
| 11:15.13 | file-exists-p | is there any way to mount a luks+loop encrypted file with the "mount" command alone? |
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| 11:21.42 | vanting | Does anyone know, what could make youtube appear in blueish colors? |
| 11:22.41 | vanting | Or, it's not youtube itself, it's the videoes. |
| 11:23.21 | Rootert | vanting: perhaps this might give you some insight: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue |
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| 11:23.44 | Rootert | vanting: had that problem once under ubuntu, the supplied solution solved it for me |
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| 11:24.15 | vanting | Rootert: Thanks. I'll go through it. |
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| 11:31.04 | Stereo | indego: nice to see another .lu host here :) |
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| 11:39.23 | indego | Stereo, yes, we have been deploying Debian in Luxembourg for nearly a decade. |
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| 11:42.52 | teite | does anyone know a solution for that linux kernel entropy proplem and SSL? |
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| 11:43.36 | teite | its weird that even echoing /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail reduces the amount of entropy significantly |
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| 11:45.00 | teite | could anyone try the following for me: while true; do cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail; sleep 0.1; done |
| 11:45.04 | teite | thanks ;) |
| 11:45.36 | teite | its going from 2000 to about 200 |
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| 11:46.04 | ChrisH | teite: it moves around 150 +-20 |
| 11:46.18 | teite | ChrisH: this is bad |
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| 11:46.31 | teite | any SSL request based on /dev/random will be slow |
| 11:46.44 | teite | and blocking |
| 11:47.02 | teite | it should be arround 2000 if there is enough random entropy |
| 11:47.21 | ectospasm | wouldn't that depend greatly on the source of entropy? |
| 11:47.28 | thereisnospoon | teite, haveged |
| 11:47.57 | ectospasm | ...if you don't have an adequate RNG... |
| 11:48.32 | teite | thereisnospoon: interesting, i'll take a look |
| 11:48.51 | teite | ectospasm: what would be a adequate RNG? |
| 11:49.16 | teite | this whole issue is a pain in the ass since 2.6 kernel |
| 11:49.19 | ChrisH | teite: on my current home server (i386) its 2200+ and on the new one (amd64) it around 160 same as my desktop box here with 150 |
| 11:49.33 | thereisnospoon | adequate depends on the box's load, if there is a load spike it could saturate it for no good reason |
| 11:49.46 | ectospasm | teite: I know there are hardware sources of entropy (essentially a random number generator [RNG] that collects entropy from the surrounding environment) |
| 11:49.57 | ectospasm | I don't know of any specific models, or how they work |
| 11:50.14 | ChrisH | My old server is loaded the new one is idleing |
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| 11:50.32 | teite | ChrisH: is the old server running with 2.4? |
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| 11:51.16 | oo_migue1 | I am looking for some lightweight tool, that will allow me to record my X screen to a file. Prefereabbly with a high framerate since its 3d accelerated. |
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| 11:52.32 | ChrisH | old: 2.6.26-2-686 new 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 11:53.23 | teite | thereisnospoon: haveged looks interesting, thank you |
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| 11:53.34 | teite | ChrisH: ok, thanks |
| 11:53.48 | teite | i'll try this haveged |
| 11:54.01 | ectospasm | oo_migue1: A quick google found xvidcap, but I don't know the state of that package |
| 11:54.29 | ectospasm | oo_migue1: hmmm, that doesn't seem to be in apt |
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| 11:55.53 | teite | thereisnospoon is the winner. it random entropy remains arround 1000 |
| 11:56.33 | ChrisH | teite: http://paste.debian.net/207703/ summary of 3 systems |
| 11:58.05 | teite | http://paste.debian.net/207704/ after install of haveged |
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| 11:59.19 | Sichify | I need som help adding gpg keys. Can someone point me to site, explaining this? |
| 12:00.37 | mr_daniel | I want to switch my server OS, because I want to harden my server further with SELinux to have an additional safety net. But I am not sure if SELinux well-support in Debian. So far I only found this wiki site: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/ |
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| 12:01.11 | mr_daniel | For example Ubuntu, which based on Debian, seems only to support AppArmor. On the other hand it seems like RedHat/Fedora/CentOS have very good SELinux support. |
| 12:01.21 | ChrisH | Sichify: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/809-debian-apt-get-no-pubkey-gpg-error ? |
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| 12:05.24 | oo_migue1 | I use "recordmydesktop" to capture my desktop (video,audio) however the sound is not catured for some reason. I can specify the sound device explicitly with the --device flag. How can I find out which it should be in my case (/dev/dsp,... )? |
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| 12:07.31 | ChrisH | teite: one difference I found... old server has rng_core loaded, the two other only can load rng-core - vs. _ and loading rng-core did not change anything |
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| 12:09.17 | ChrisH | teite: both modules _ and - refer to the same: kernel/drivers/char/hw_random/rng-core.ko Seems only the visible name changed |
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| 12:10.00 | ujjain | I backed up my computer, how do I reinstall all the packages I had previously installed? |
| 12:10.01 | ChrisH | teite: another differnence... old server is a single CPU |
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| 12:11.52 | teite | ChrisH: hmm ok |
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| 12:13.06 | timjontom | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/armel/iso-cd/ is this for ARM systems? |
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| 12:17.21 | niels1 | the directory name suggests it's for little endian arm systems |
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| 12:18.56 | niels1 | (as opposed to big endian) |
| 12:19.44 | niels1 | like mips vs. mipsel |
| 12:22.13 | timjontom | well what do you suggest for an ARM11 system |
| 12:22.19 | Goauld | mipsel is very weird |
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| 12:23.59 | niels1 | timjontom, is it running in little endian mode? if so, then yes, armel is the correct architecture |
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| 12:25.50 | timjontom | i have no idea |
| 12:25.51 | timjontom | http://www.ebay.com/itm/281008810485?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 |
| 12:26.01 | timjontom | its one of those cheap chinese netbooks |
| 12:26.56 | timjontom | ARM 11 1GHz, 512MB Internal memory, 2GB Internal storage, 7" TFT LCD display, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, x3 (USB 2.0), Windows Embedded Compact 7. |
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| 13:03.33 | WDKevin | babilen, you around? |
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| 13:04.24 | teite | ChrisH: with option -w you can set a minimum entropy threshold |
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| 13:11.26 | AFernandez_ | hello to all i come in peace |
| 13:12.01 | AFernandez_ | can anyone point me to a tutorial where i can read about moving my /home to another partition in another Hard Drive thank you |
| 13:12.11 | ksk | just do it? |
| 13:12.26 | ksk | then create a symlink "/home -> $new_location" |
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| 13:13.15 | AFernandez_ | ? |
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| 13:14.19 | ksk | read the debian users handbook |
| 13:14.21 | ksk | really. |
| 13:15.04 | AFernandez_ | thank you ksk |
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| 13:18.35 | ChrisH | AFernandez_: Use LVM |
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| 13:20.05 | babilen | WDKevin: Yes, but just ask the channel :) |
| 13:20.28 | babilen | !tell AFernandez_ -about handbook |
| 13:21.09 | WDKevin | babilen, no worries. i wanted to follow up on yesterday. we ended up rolling back to a snapshot from the morning. i fixed my sources.list first, kept it on wheezy then did all the updates and upgrades and we're smooth sailing. just wanted to thank you! |
| 13:21.48 | babilen | WDKevin: Ah, that sounds good. You are most welcome and happy to hear that you managed to sort it out :-D |
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| 13:31.38 | pr0tocol | curious to know... what's better for a vm environment? kvm, virtualbox or xen? |
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| 13:34.00 | jelly | "it depends" |
| 13:35.15 | jelly | pr0tocol: how many VMs? What's going to run inside? What kind of separation is needed? How many networks? HA? Stability? Usable interfaces? |
| 13:35.27 | jelly | not the least: what's your budget |
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| 13:37.14 | IHAXEX1337 | hello everyone i was here yesterday |
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| 13:37.33 | IHAXEX1337 | just now im on here at school! |
| 13:37.44 | ChrisH | not for forget: What are the HA requirements? Need to warm transfer VMs? |
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| 13:38.10 | IHAXEX1337 | oooooooo someone needs help with VM's ??? |
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| 13:40.54 | IHAXEX1337 | soooo does anyone need help with stuff to do with VM's ??????? |
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| 13:41.24 | rizlah | WHY DO YOU CARE? |
| 13:41.34 | rizlah | lol |
| 13:41.40 | rizlah | Ask in ##vms |
| 13:41.44 | Megaf | pr0tocol, it depends on your needs |
| 13:42.12 | Megaf | I was really happy with Virtualbox till I discovered KVM |
| 13:42.15 | converge | I need do cloud backups and looking for some nice/secure place to store it. Does someone have a suggestion ? |
| 13:42.25 | Megaf | and I was really happy with KVM till I discovered OpenVZ |
| 13:42.31 | Megaf | now I'm using OpenVZ |
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| 13:42.40 | rizlah | converge: You cannot get security with the cloud. Encrypt it and upload the encrypted files |
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| 13:42.55 | boudiccas | Since yesterday, when I got my phone back from the repairers, i've had a lot of messages like this http://dpaste.com/828058/ every time I plug it in to recharge. I sthere anything I can do to not have these messages in logcheck please? |
| 13:42.59 | Megaf | contempt, I'm using paid Google Drive |
| 13:43.19 | converge | rizlah: nice tip |
| 13:43.38 | converge | Megaf: are you paying because of the extra size you need? |
| 13:43.56 | Megaf | yep, I got 30 GB |
| 13:44.25 | Megaf | $2.49 / Month |
| 13:44.44 | ChrisH | boudiccas: unplug the phone; reset the HUB its connected to and test again. I see this from time to time with a half-crashed active USB Hub. Meanwhile I connect my phone to a seperate USB Hub. |
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| 13:45.00 | Megaf | you can get 100 GB for $4.99 / Month, 200 GB for $9.99 / Month and up to 16 TB |
| 13:45.10 | Megaf | converge, https://www.google.com/settings/storage/?hl=en_GB |
| 13:45.23 | boudiccas | ChrisH, how do i rest the hub please? unplug the usb cable and then plug it back in again? |
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| 13:45.36 | boudiccas | reset |
| 13:45.40 | converge | Megaf: perfect. why did you choose google drive insted of other ? |
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| 13:46.29 | Megaf | I can put big files in there, easy to access, its Google, that means I get share and control stuff easily |
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| 13:46.39 | Megaf | there is apps for Windows and Mac OS X |
| 13:46.42 | somiaj | boudiccas: that should work. |
| 13:46.44 | Megaf | and soon to Linux |
| 13:47.04 | Megaf | my other options are DropBox and Microsoft SkyDrive |
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| 13:47.26 | Megaf | I think Google Drive is better, and I use Google Docs too |
| 13:47.34 | Megaf | to write documents and notes |
| 13:47.43 | Megaf | so, I get everything in one place |
| 13:47.47 | boudiccas | ChrisH, and somiaj thanks |
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| 13:48.02 | converge | Megaf: I have this server, and 40GB (backup) to upload somewhere, but im not sure if I'll be able to upload this files using linux |
| 13:48.32 | Megaf | not easily |
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| 13:48.47 | Megaf | you can upload a whole folder using google chrome, but thats too bad |
| 13:48.55 | ChrisH | boudiccas: unplug Power AND uplink from PC |
| 13:49.42 | Megaf | I gotta go, cya |
| 13:49.47 | boudiccas | ChrisH, so essentially then, its a reboot? |
| 13:49.54 | converge | Megaf: thanks for your help, bye |
| 13:50.23 | ChrisH | boudiccas: a powercycle for the USB Hub. Or is the Hub inside your computer? |
| 13:50.47 | boudiccas | ChrisH, yes, and the phone gets its power to recharge through a usb cable |
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| 13:52.31 | oo_miguel | apt-file does a great job determining what file belong to which package or vice versa. Can I somehow determine if a file is a config file? (e.g. will be only removed when the package is purged) |
| 13:53.40 | boudiccas | ChrisH, to clarify, the hub is inside the cpmputer |
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| 13:57.42 | ChrisH | boudiccas: Then you might need to power cycle the computer and the mobile phone and might want to add an active USB Hub in between |
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| 13:58.15 | boudiccas | ChrisH, okay thanks. I'll see what i can do |
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| 14:02.08 | ChrisH | boudiccas: The high current my Android draws, makes my active external USB Hub to crash and I loose Keyboard and Mouse until I reset the Hub as described. |
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| 14:03.19 | gnarface | my girlfriend swears my desktop machine's USB port charges her android faster than any other |
| 14:03.35 | gnarface | weird/out of spec current draw definitely within the realm of possibilities |
| 14:03.39 | boudiccas | ah, i dont think mines that bad, its just it occasionally throws these wobblies |
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| 14:05.15 | pr0tocol | jelly: sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I'm wondering if I can run a Windows 7 VM for gaming purposes |
| 14:05.36 | pr0tocol | As in, installing Steam and what not. |
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| 14:09.17 | ChrisH | gnarface: did you measure the current? Specs and how close you stick to them... Apple was very restrict on USB current |
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| 14:10.17 | gnarface | ChrisH: no i've done no investigation of the matter |
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| 14:13.58 | tasaras | hi all, a stray script rm´ed things randomly - how can i find out for my installed packages if they have been affected? |
| 14:14.10 | tasaras | i tried dpkc --audit no results |
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| 14:16.50 | digdilem_ | maybe dpkg --get-selections and then reinstall those? |
| 14:16.58 | babilen | tasaras: debsums might be helpful -- also "don't run scripts like that" |
| 14:17.48 | tasaras | babilen, thanks for the advice but the box does not have debsums |
| 14:17.57 | babilen | install it? |
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| 14:19.09 | tasaras | lemme ask around if i can, its a policy issue |
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| 14:21.24 | babilen | tasaras: "debsums -ca" should help -- As would "apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg -S $(debsums -c) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u)" -- An "aptitude reinstall ~i" is probably a bit too drastic .. |
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| 14:21.41 | babilen | tasaras: Which files have been deleted? Can you show me the script? Do you have backups of the box? |
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| 14:22.44 | tasaras | babilen, the script is jailkit |
| 14:23.06 | tasaras | we do have backups but if i go and say please restore, its my job :) |
| 14:23.09 | babilen | tasaras: Can't find jailkit in Debian -- Do you have a reference? |
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| 14:23.27 | tasaras | it has deleted the /lib/security/pam* stuff |
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| 14:24.15 | tasaras | http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/howtos_chroot_shell.html <--- jailkit |
| 14:24.33 | babilen | tasaras: Then run 'apt-file search -x "/lib/security/pam.*"' and reinstall applicable packages |
| 14:24.57 | babilen | tasaras: I don't think jailkit is supported by us |
| 14:25.09 | tasaras | i did, i want to see if there are additional changes in my system |
| 14:25.25 | babilen | There are plenty of alternatives that might not destroy your system packaged already (schroot for example) |
| 14:25.44 | tasaras | babilen, i hear but it is not my call, a sr system engineer made that call |
| 14:26.57 | babilen | tasaras: Well, use debsums. That won't get everything though. I guess the only way to answer this question is to restore from backups, let jailkit loose and compare the state of the system. |
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| 14:28.56 | tasaras | will restore from backups |
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| 14:29.04 | tasaras | thanks for the help |
| 14:29.27 | tasaras | even if it is not an issue with debian |
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| 14:29.43 | babilen | tasaras: Good luck -- I would also have a long discussion about your policies that apparently allow you to run horrible software such as jailkit but forbid the installation of proven tools such as debsums |
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| 14:35.01 | pr0tocol | exit |
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| 14:36.03 | lmat | Should I be using the debian distribution? |
| 14:36.56 | remote | how can one be invited in #debian-devel? |
| 14:38.02 | Eagleman | can i install php 5.3.3 in a different directory then default so i can also use one of my older php versions |
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| 14:39.15 | AFernandez_ | it takes long to resize a 2TB hard drive? |
| 14:39.17 | Goauld | remote if a op is typing /invite one #debian-devel |
| 14:39.22 | babilen | remote: Official debian channels are on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) -- See "/msg dpkg oftc move" for information |
| 14:40.10 | Goauld | AFernandez_, : depend on filesystem |
| 14:40.29 | AFernandez_ | ext4 |
| 14:40.44 | Goauld | how much data occupied? |
| 14:40.44 | babilen | Eagleman: squeeze ships 5.3.3 -- Ask ##php for instructions on how to install different versions of PHP in a way that does *not* interfere with the system's default installation (at all!) |
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| 14:41.07 | AFernandez_ | shrinking device /dev/sdc1 from 1.82 TB to 219GB |
| 14:41.20 | Goauld | shoudlnt take longer than 2hours |
| 14:41.46 | AFernandez_ | Goauld: 160 gb |
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| 14:43.08 | AFernandez_ | thank you Goauld |
| 14:43.15 | Goauld | less than two hours |
| 14:43.24 | AFernandez_ | ok |
| 14:43.32 | AFernandez_ | i think is doing it for an hour now |
| 14:44.36 | Goauld | power outage |
| 14:45.10 | Goauld | according to the tok'ra it has to work |
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| 14:46.28 | remote | dpkg: oftc move |
| 14:46.29 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 15:00.26 | zetheroo | restarted a Debian machine to have it get to BusyBox after saying cannot find root device by UUID |
| 15:00.53 | Megaf | so, check the /etc/fstab |
| 15:01.01 | Megaf | double check the UUID |
| 15:01.16 | Megaf | and remove everything you don't need |
| 15:01.26 | zetheroo | how can you access it if you cannot boot? can you do this through busybox? |
| 15:01.42 | boudiccas | !busybox |
| 15:01.43 | dpkg | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common Unix utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. http://busybox.net/FAQ.html #uclibc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:02.09 | Megaf | zetheroo, yes you can |
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| 15:02.28 | Megaf | you can even dhcp your eth0 and run you text editor |
| 15:02.47 | Megaf | you can manually mount partition too |
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| 15:04.01 | linux-fo1 | ? |
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| 15:05.44 | file-exists-p | is there any way to mount a luks+loop encrypted file with the "mount" command alone? |
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| 15:12.10 | zetheroo | what command do you use to find out the drives UUID? |
| 15:12.26 | Rootert | blkid |
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| 15:14.25 | Goauld | blkid |
| 15:14.28 | Goauld | blkid |
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| 15:15.01 | jelly | zetheroo: UUID is a property reserved for filesystems, not physical devices. What's your goal? |
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| 15:15.42 | jelly | oh, booting and root= |
| 15:15.47 | N3RG4L | Hi folks |
| 15:16.15 | N3RG4L | I want to install gnome on my vps Debian6 squeeze but I get an error |
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| 15:16.42 | nuffigel | hey everyone, I installed an xfce4 + xfdesktop on my wheezy. However, I'm trying to avoid Thunar. I do get exo to open directories in pcmanfm, but xfdesktop's icons still want to be opened in Thunar for some reason. How would I change this behavior? |
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| 15:17.32 | N3RG4L | This is the error http://pastebin.com/HNGFw5VT |
| 15:17.33 | kpoq | hi, could somebody explain to me how i can run the command brctl addif vmbr0 eth0 without it turning off my internet connection? |
| 15:17.41 | Megaf | zetheroo, also, don't use UUID="blahblah" |
| 15:17.47 | Megaf | I mean, the "" |
| 15:18.02 | Megaf | it must be like UUID=blahblah |
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| 15:18.26 | Megaf | actually, I'm not sure about that |
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| 15:18.41 | zetheroo | I see ... well we found the correct UUID with blkid but its still not working in the GRUB boot entry |
| 15:19.08 | Megaf | zetheroo, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fstab#UUID |
| 15:19.29 | zetheroo | ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/"blahblah" does not exist |
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| 15:20.18 | tremon | zetheroo: when do you get that error? it's not what debian's initrd would say |
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| 15:20.45 | zetheroo | get that error after grub menu |
| 15:21.08 | tremon | please post your grub.conf |
| 15:21.30 | tremon | (or menu.cfg or whatever it's called) |
| 15:22.02 | tremon | it sounds more like a grub error than kernel error |
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| 15:26.20 | Megaf | zetheroo, this is what my fstab looks like http://paste.debian.net/207755/ |
| 15:26.36 | zetheroo | how do you view the fstab in BB ? |
| 15:26.54 | zetheroo | we cannot even mount the /dev/vda1 device |
| 15:27.26 | Megaf | to view it you can cat /etc/fstab |
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| 15:27.46 | zetheroo | there is no /etc/fstab |
| 15:28.01 | zetheroo | we have to mount the volume which has fstab first ... |
| 15:28.05 | Megaf | vda1? |
| 15:28.08 | zetheroo | cd/ |
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| 15:28.22 | zetheroo | hmm ... yes it's a VM |
| 15:28.37 | Megaf | brb |
| 15:28.40 | zetheroo | KVM ... running on Debian Wheezy |
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| 15:30.32 | indego | zetheroo, not sure about KVM but "cat /proc/mounts" should give an idea of what is mounted. |
| 15:30.38 | mhmdoch | hey i got a question, i installed my first time and im not sure if debian installed my wlan card (pci) correctly. it doesnt find any wlan networks. can someone tell me how to check this? i tried iwconfig, but didnt worked |
| 15:31.04 | ksk | !tell mhmdoch about wlan |
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| 15:32.38 | N3RG4L | anyone can help me to install gnome ? |
| 15:32.46 | zetheroo | Gave up waiting for root device. Common Problems: blahblah .... and then drops to shell ... Busy Box |
| 15:32.55 | zetheroo | ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/"blahblah" does not exist |
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| 15:34.09 | tremon | zetheroo: how did you get the initrd? does it contain the correct drivers? are you using lvm/dm/md/crypto devices? |
| 15:34.24 | zetheroo | LVM |
| 15:34.30 | zetheroo | on the VM itself |
| 15:35.15 | zetheroo | ramdisk loaded fine ... as did kernel |
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| 15:36.14 | tremon | if the ramdisk does not contain the virtio disk drivers or lvm, the boot will halt there |
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| 15:37.03 | mhmdoch | ksk ok with ispci i found out, that debian detected my wlan card. but what can be the reason, that is doesnt find any wlan networks? |
| 15:37.40 | linux-fo1 | ? |
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| 15:38.22 | zetheroo | should lsmod show an LVM driver module? |
| 15:38.31 | ksk | mhmdoch i dont really know about wlan on linux, but i think that dpkg will guide you throgh the needed steps |
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| 15:39.16 | Megaf | zetheroo, what VM are you using? |
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| 15:39.29 | zetheroo | KVM |
| 15:39.30 | tremon | zetheroo: yes, dm_mod. you can also run blkid without arguments to list all detected block devices |
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| 15:39.49 | tremon | and lvm vgscan to list detected lvm VGs |
| 15:40.18 | zetheroo | dm_mod is loaded |
| 15:40.22 | tremon | also check lvm pvs, lvm vgs and lvm lvs (the initrd doesn't have symlinks for the subcommands) |
| 15:40.33 | mhmdoch | ksk sucks, first i cant find my specific chipset or w/e there, 2nd i found a installation guide for "nearly" my chip and the first step is fetching something from ftp |
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| 15:40.52 | ksk | whatever |
| 15:40.55 | mhmdoch | ksk this makes me sad :/ |
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| 15:43.39 | gnat_x | why is it that apt-get (and aptitude) suddenly want to pull in packages from sid despite my previously working preferences file. |
| 15:43.40 | zetheroo | ok, we know we have /dev/vda5 as /root .... and dev /vda1 is/boot |
| 15:44.06 | zetheroo | but we cannot mount either of them |
| 15:44.06 | gnat_x | the only change i've made is to break things into preferences.d files, but i have since reversed that. |
| 15:44.09 | tremon | zetheroo: so you're not using lvm for / ? |
| 15:44.51 | tremon | if you can't mount them, try to modprobe the filesystem first (e.g. modprobe ext4) |
| 15:44.53 | zetheroo | lvm pvs shows: /dev/vda5 |
| 15:45.01 | zetheroo | this is our /root device |
| 15:45.15 | tremon | so vda5 isn't your / device, it's a component of a volume group |
| 15:45.33 | tremon | does lvm vgscan show the volume group's name? |
| 15:46.00 | Mogget | Is there software in the repositores for stable that deals with use case modelling in software projects? |
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| 15:47.01 | doberman | How can I disallow users to browse othise their home directory? Users can "cd", but not"ls". How can I even diallow "cd" outside their home directory? |
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| 15:47.16 | zetheroo | lvm group name is radar |
| 15:47.24 | doberman | s/othise/outside/ |
| 15:47.29 | gnat_x | Mogget: what do you mean by use case modeling. |
| 15:47.37 | tremon | ok, then try lvm vgchange -ay radar |
| 15:47.38 | zetheroo | we have mounted the /boot device (/dev/vda1) |
| 15:47.58 | zetheroo | is there anything useful in the grub directory? |
| 15:48.05 | Mogget | gnat_x: http://www.edrawsoft.com/images/software/UML-UseCase_full.png Something that does this :D |
| 15:48.23 | tremon | umount the /boot device, you don't need it and if you keep it mounted the boot will fail later on |
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| 15:49.08 | mhmdoch | can someone help me with my wlan controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5007G Wireless Netwerk Adapter? Debian doesnt find any wlan networks, after my first debian installation |
| 15:49.19 | gnat_x | Mogget: ahh. okay, so data viz and wireframing stuff? i've used dia in the past, but that did not produce charts that were nearly that pretty. |
| 15:49.30 | zetheroo | ok, 2 logical volumes in volume group "radar" now active |
| 15:49.36 | zetheroo | and unmounted /boot |
| 15:49.50 | tremon | good, now try lvm lvs radar |
| 15:49.54 | simonlnu | !ar5007g |
| 15:50.09 | zetheroo | ok ... done |
| 15:50.11 | gnat_x | Mogget: i woul look at some stuff in http://packages.debian.org/stable/graphics/ |
| 15:50.22 | tremon | that should show the names of the two logical volumes |
| 15:50.27 | zetheroo | there is an 8GB root logical volume |
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| 15:50.34 | zetheroo | and the swap .. |
| 15:50.54 | Mogget | gnat_x: Thank you. I will take a look and see if I find something usefull in there. |
| 15:50.56 | tremon | ok, assuming the lv is named root, you should be able to mount -o ro /dev/mapper/radar-root /root |
| 15:50.57 | simonlnu | !atheros |
| 15:50.57 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>, <alx>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 15:51.17 | Mogget | !iwlwifi |
| 15:51.18 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 15:51.33 | simonlnu | mhmdoch: ^^^ |
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| 15:52.45 | zetheroo | yes, that mounted |
| 15:52.57 | tremon | if the root filesystem mounted correctly (it should, but check with ls /root) you can press ctrl-D to exit the shell |
| 15:53.02 | tremon | boot should continue normally |
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| 15:53.53 | garysteers | Hi All, I have an snmpd question... |
| 15:54.00 | zetheroo | hey it booted ...!!! thanks |
| 15:54.12 | zetheroo | of course if we reboot it, it will probably fail again .. |
| 15:54.16 | garysteers | my enterprise OID not showing up on a standard walk, does anyone know how to make it by default? |
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| 15:55.06 | tremon | zetheroo: yes, it will fail again. At the very least, you should regenerate the initramfs with update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r) |
| 15:55.36 | tremon | but because you're using UUIDs for / , the bootscript might fail to detect it needs to run lvm |
| 15:56.00 | mhmdoch | simonlnu i dont feel smiling :) |
| 15:56.02 | tremon | try changing both your fstab and grub config to reflect root=/dev/mapper/radar-root |
| 15:56.17 | zetheroo | ok, thanks ... I gotta run ... but I will have to do this all laterz ... |
| 15:56.28 | tremon | if you're using lvm, there's no real need to use uuid's since the names do not change |
| 15:56.33 | tremon | ok good luck |
| 15:56.34 | mhmdoch | simonlnu oh saw the link dpkg gave me now, will take a look |
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| 15:57.29 | Led_Zeppelin | by using ld I can able to get a shared object. Is it possible to pass 'rpath' options into it ? |
| 15:57.47 | simonlnu | mhmdoch: those <foo> things are things you can /msg dpkg (one of the bots here) about |
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| 15:57.56 | simonlnu | (without the <>) |
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| 15:59.36 | mhmdoch | simonlnu ty |
| 16:00.21 | gnat_x | did i get apt preferences backward? i thought the higher the number the higher the preference. i can't figure out why apt wants to pull in all these sid packages all of a sudden. |
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| 16:01.03 | simonlnu | no, that's right. also the numbers mean something as well (there's limits) |
| 16:01.34 | babilen | gnat_x: Well, show us your preferences and the output of "apt-cache policy" (also prepare for a lecture if you are trying to mix stable with unstable) |
| 16:01.38 | babilen | (on http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 16:01.45 | pengwyn | sid always used hell of bandwidth to update for me... |
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| 16:01.50 | simonlnu | *BOOM* |
| 16:02.19 | gnat_x | babilen: i'm not mixing stable and unstable, i am mixing some wheezy/unstable. but only very limited packages... hold on... generating pastes. |
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| 16:04.50 | pengwyn | Squeeze EOL guesstimate? |
| 16:05.00 | pengwyn | anyone? |
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| 16:05.34 | phet | Hi, I am trying to add to fstab a samba folder, but I am failing so far. It is working when I mount it like now using the console |
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| 16:06.10 | simonlnu | pengwyn: not for about a year after wheezy is released |
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| 16:07.08 | gnat_x | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/207766/ <-- preferences http://paste.debian.net/207768/ <-- apt-cache policy |
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| 16:07.34 | pengwyn | thanks simonlnu |
| 16:07.56 | gnat_x | phet: what are you putting in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 16:09.26 | comradekingu | simonlnu: is that official, it says TBA on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history |
| 16:09.27 | gnat_x | gihad: you mean break their shell so that they can only use one command? |
| 16:09.35 | simonlnu | no, but that's typical |
| 16:10.06 | gnat_x | gihad: (eg: i as a user type "mv" and "hostname" runs instead) |
| 16:10.20 | gihad | gnat_x, yes. Preferably they can still type any command, it just always executes 1 command |
| 16:10.46 | gihad | yeah, any command, "mv" "cp" "ls" would always result in "hostname" |
| 16:11.07 | babilen | gnat_x: May I see your sources.list as well? |
| 16:13.11 | babilen | gnat_x: The main problem is that you use "a=wheezy", but that you actually want "a=testing" or "n=wheezy". All in all I would personally just recommend to set the default release (as discussed in "/msg dpkg tum") |
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| 16:15.12 | babilen | gnat_x: I would also recommend to keep the default priority (i.e. testing/wheezy) at 500 and assign a lower one to the others (e.g. 100) -- How much do you mix testing with unstable? What would you want to track after wheezy's release? |
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| 16:15.53 | pengwyn | babilen, what do you mean by track? |
| 16:16.23 | pengwyn | specific app? |
| 16:18.12 | babilen | pengwyn: I mean "this is the release that I am following" |
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| 16:18.28 | babilen | pokes gnat_x |
| 16:18.39 | gnat_x | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/207772/ |
| 16:19.13 | babilen | gnat_x: You might also be interested in http://http.debian.net |
| 16:19.22 | gnat_x | babilen: i'm tracking new versions of monkeysphere, which has a really limited set of dependences. |
| 16:19.41 | babilen | gnat_x: Ok -- Do you want to stay with wheezy after the release? |
| 16:19.48 | gnat_x | babilen: for a while, yes. |
| 16:20.32 | gnat_x | testing gets really unstable once the freeze thaw iirc. which is good, just not on the machine i need working every day. :P |
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| 16:20.46 | babilen | gnat_x: Ok, then leave your sources.list as it is (well, maybe just use http.debian.net as mirror) and fix your preferences. You need "n=wheezy" not "a=wheezy" as you can see in the "apt-cache policy" output |
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| 16:20.57 | phet | Hi, I just installed Debian, gnome3, my computer freezes completely after like 10 minutes. Where can I check what is going on? |
| 16:21.12 | gnat_x | babilen: cool! thanks for the pointers. |
| 16:21.16 | babilen | gnat_x: yeah, that is exactly my opinion as well. Just wanted to clarify that point. |
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| 16:21.41 | pengwyn | runs squeeze on the raq 4, wanting to stay up to date with whats changing... |
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| 16:22.16 | babilen | gnat_x: You can also just set the default release (/msg dpkg default release) as an alternative. I would go with a 100 == installed + unstable and 500 = testing scheme .. |
| 16:22.22 | gnat_x | babilen: also do you know if the aptitude supports preferences.d (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514819) couldn't really make heads or tail of if it actually made it into the wheezy version. |
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| 16:22.56 | babilen | ,v apt |
| 16:22.57 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.7.6; wheezy: 0.9.7.6 |
| 16:23.07 | babilen | gnat_x: Oh yeah, it does |
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| 16:24.14 | gnat_x | babilen: great. i thought for a second that might've been my problem (since i recently broke those out recently) |
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| 16:25.00 | phet_ | Sorry, it happened again. I just installed debian and my computer freezes completely after like 10 minutes, every time. How can I check what is going on? |
| 16:25.48 | nkuttler | phet_: have you used the computer before? was it stable? |
| 16:25.49 | babilen | gnat_x: No, you just got the "a=" vs "n=" ... wrong. You should *always* double check against the "apt-cache policy" output. Well, if I were you I would probably just set the default release to "wheezy" and be done with it (+ your special package pinning) Or duplicate those priorities with pinning. Ah well, many ways to skin a dog :) |
| 16:26.31 | phet_ | nkuttler: its a new laptop. I have used it the last 4 days with archlinux, it was stable. |
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| 16:26.51 | nkuttler | phet_: see /var/log/messages if there's anything, try a different kernel |
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| 16:27.21 | pengwyn | loves special pinning with kernel, and lilo |
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| 16:27.34 | babilen | phet_: Which version of Debian and on what kind of hardware are you running? Could you show us the output of "lspci -nn" and could you also check /var/log/syslog -- Are you sure that the whle computer (and not just Xorg) freezes? (e.g. "yeah, can't ping it or SSH into it. It also doesn't react to MAGIC SYSRQ REISUB sequence, ...) |
| 16:27.59 | gnat_x | babilen: indeed. thanks for the help. it would've taken me forever to see that difference! kind of like the typo that i found somone mand 6 years ago, that just now started breaking mailman. so i am all too aware of little things hiding for a while until they are a problem. |
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| 16:28.14 | Led_Zeppelin | by using ld I can able to get a shared object. Is it possible to pass 'rpath' options into it ? |
| 16:28.19 | babilen | gnat_x: Indeed - a and n are two different things :) |
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| 16:29.01 | phet_ | babilen: for example I cannot go to terms f1 f2..... |
| 16:29.06 | phet_ | babilen: its debian testing |
| 16:29.14 | phet_ | babilen: its a dell inspiron 15r |
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| 16:29.19 | genesis | hi |
| 16:29.45 | levlivnev | quick question. I don't have gnome installed and I stupidly ran $aptitude install cheese, which started installing a lot of gnome stuff that I aborted. But now it keeps trying to install the dependencies whenever I use aptitude. I tried clean, autoclean, purge, remove, on cheese, but it's not going away. |
| 16:29.51 | babilen | phet_: Just because you can't switch to a tty doesn't mean that the whole computer is frozen. Please also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log{.old} for errors/tracebacks |
| 16:30.30 | phet_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/EqPRALJ5 |
| 16:30.31 | babilen | phet_: And what is the output of "lspci -nn" on a dell inspiron 15r? |
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| 16:30.45 | babilen | ta |
| 16:30.46 | phet_ | that :) |
| 16:30.46 | pengwyn | yeah, babilen, my tty's are all disabled on the ra 4i for nstance |
| 16:30.49 | pengwyn | raq 4i for instance even |
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| 16:31.28 | pengwyn | they fight with the serial port |
| 16:31.58 | babilen | phet_: Sorry, am a bit pesky now. Could you also paste "lspci -n" ? (I want to check it on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 16:32.00 | simonlnu | levlivnev: easiest is to run the ncurses ui and unmark them for installation |
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| 16:32.36 | levlivnev | How do I run the ui simonlnu? |
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| 16:32.48 | simonlnu | levlivnev: it's very likely to be more than just 'cheese'. just type aptitude |
| 16:32.49 | awc737 | how do I suddenly have duplicate debians showing up in my GRUB? |
| 16:32.52 | awc737 | they have one version number difference |
| 16:33.02 | EmleyMoor | awc737: New kernel |
| 16:33.06 | pengwyn | awc737, more than one kernel |
| 16:33.10 | awc737 | deb 32 3.0.3 / deb 64 3.0.3 / deb 32 3.0.2 / deb 64 3.0.2 |
| 16:33.16 | awc737 | why wouldn't the old kernel just update? |
| 16:33.22 | pengwyn | you've installed a kernel likely |
| 16:33.34 | EmleyMoor | awc737: If it's a big update, it needs its own number |
| 16:33.47 | awc737 | ok but I have two operating systems? |
| 16:33.47 | phet_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/bFQQiEja |
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| 16:34.03 | EmleyMoor | If you're using a laptop make sure suspend and hibernate haven't broken. |
| 16:34.03 | awc737 | suspend hasn't broken |
| 16:34.03 | simonlnu | awc737: those are kernels not OSes |
| 16:34.11 | awc737 | neither has hibernate I believe |
| 16:34.42 | EmleyMoor | You can purge the old kernel once you're sure the new one is fine |
| 16:34.42 | awc737 | oh ok |
| 16:34.43 | genesis | i really need 2.6 kernel on wheezy using a squeezy on via apt is a bad idea or it should work ? |
| 16:34.45 | levlivnev | okay thanks simonlnu. But what do I press after I selected a package do unmark it? |
| 16:34.47 | babilen | phet_: You *definitely* need a newer kernel for that hardware. Are you using squeeze right now? |
| 16:35.02 | phet_ | babilen: yes |
| 16:35.02 | pengwyn | awc737, I'd tear it up with midnight commander; delete extra kernels and fix your lilo/grub menu |
| 16:35.02 | phet_ | babilen: no, I am using testing |
| 16:35.16 | phet_ | babilen: pastelink.me/dl/1157a5 here you can find the other file. its too long to copy paste |
| 16:35.17 | EmleyMoor | pengwyn: That's OTT |
| 16:36.19 | awc737 | pengwyn, because if I delete it, it will still be in grub? |
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| 16:36.26 | EmleyMoor | Removing the package will remove it from grub |
| 16:36.27 | pengwyn | uninstall /purge but like folks said make sure it works first! |
| 16:36.41 | pengwyn | okay nevermind, it won't be in grub if you remove. nm |
| 16:36.43 | awc737 | ok |
| 16:36.43 | pengwyn | sry |
| 16:36.43 | awc737 | I never heard of midnight commander is why I asked |
| 16:36.43 | phet_ | babilen: that file is syslog |
| 16:36.44 | simonlnu | levlivnev: _ to purge, - to remove + to install <enter> to see more - the rest you can find in the UI itself or the manual |
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| 16:36.51 | levlivnev | Thanks a lot simonlnu I just told it to cancel all pending installs. never knew there was a ui for aptitude |
| 16:37.01 | EmleyMoor | levlivnev: Then g to apply |
| 16:37.01 | simonlnu | :) |
| 16:37.07 | pengwyn | mc would be to edit your etc/lilo.conf nevermind forget what I said bro |
| 16:37.08 | simonlnu | i use it all the time |
| 16:37.58 | phet_ | babilen: I would say the problem is cifs |
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| 16:38.14 | pengwyn | welp im out clearly I ain't helping folks |
| 16:38.18 | pengwyn | peace |
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| 16:39.22 | simonlnu | EmleyMoor: g is prominently featured in the main toolbar, which is why i didn't mention it :) |
| 16:39.37 | babilen | phet_: Why do you think so? |
| 16:40.27 | simonlnu | babilen: when all else fails, blame windows :P |
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| 16:41.23 | phet_ | babilen: I think it freezes after I mount a samba disk |
| 16:41.40 | phet_ | maybe I am wrong, I will see now, because I am not going to mount it |
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| 16:43.37 | gnat_x | babilen: btw. 's/a/n/' fixed me right up. thanks again. |
| 16:43.45 | babilen | gnat_x: You are welcome -- Enjoy! |
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| 17:20.25 | JRWR_ | Having some issues with Debian install on a SPARC64 machine |
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| 17:22.49 | CQ | hello, I just isntalled xfce4 ... how doI make it the default desktop? |
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| 17:23.07 | somiaj | CQ: how do you log into X? |
| 17:23.17 | somiaj | (do you use startx, do you use some display manager)? |
| 17:23.39 | doberman | Is it normal all directories in / to have 755 ? I mean, is that the default for lenny? |
| 17:24.04 | somiaj | doberman: correct, it is normal that all directories are 755 |
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| 17:24.09 | somiaj | even in /home (unless you change it) |
| 17:24.26 | CQ | somiaj: I have gnome runnning at present, so probably gdm? |
| 17:24.31 | somiaj | I belive by default it is files that are given restrictive permisions (not directores) |
| 17:24.54 | somiaj | CQ: when you bootup and are at the login screen, there is a way to change which 'session' you use. xfce should have installed an xfce session you can choose |
| 17:25.16 | simonlnu | /tmp has 1777 |
| 17:25.27 | somiaj | and is usually mounted tmpfs now by default I thought |
| 17:26.04 | simonlnu | doesn't |
| 17:26.07 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to set a default user with ACLs? So all new files/directories in this directory are owned by this user. |
| 17:26.18 | somiaj | CQ: if there is no xfce session, you will want to choose the 'default' session (I belive that is what it is called) and then modify $HOME/.xsession to launch xfce when you login |
| 17:27.03 | somiaj | rudi_s: not that I know of. You can restrict which users can write to it but I think you would need something to modify it |
| 17:27.32 | somiaj | rudi_s: crude hack. Write a cronjob to chown all the files in said directory every so often. |
| 17:27.33 | CQ | somiaj: perfect, thanks... how can I deinstall gnome to save some space and bandwidth? remove gnome-desktop? |
| 17:27.33 | nsadmin | rudi_s, set a default user, what is it the default for? |
| 17:27.43 | rudi_s | nsadmin: So I can remove the files/directories even if the ACLs are not correct. |
| 17:28.02 | simonlnu | rudi_s: you mean like setfacl -d -m u:foo:rwx bar/ ? |
| 17:28.02 | rudi_s | somiaj: Hm, ok. Yeah, cronjob would work but I'm not root on that machine. |
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| 17:28.06 | somiaj | rudi_s: the owner of the directory can do that without having a default (unless there is a sticky bit) |
| 17:28.13 | nsadmin | ok, what do you mean by "I" right now? |
| 17:28.28 | somiaj | rudi_s: maybe describe your situation, why are getting files owned by someone in a directory you want to delte later |
| 17:28.30 | rudi_s | somiaj: Not if the directories contain other files. |
| 17:28.51 | nsadmin | do you mean files owned by others? |
| 17:29.06 | somiaj | rudi_s: what do you mean contain other files. the ower of the directory (unless there is a sticy bit) can delete files owned by other people (I will test this when I get back) |
| 17:29.40 | nsadmin | if you don't have root, do you have the permission of the person who does to remove material that doesn't belong to you? |
| 17:29.56 | rudi_s | Ok. I'm a user on a system (not root) and I use a git repository. I set the ACLs so another user can push changes into this directory. This works fine but at first I forgot to grant me read/write access to new directories and so couldn't access/remove those directories. |
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| 17:30.18 | rudi_s | So I wanted to know if I can set ACL's --default to set the correct owner (me) from the beginning. |
| 17:30.45 | rudi_s | somiaj: Removing directories only works if they are empty. So you can't remove a directory owned by another user if it it's not empty. |
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| 17:31.53 | simonlnu | sure. the acls also read what the dir has as regular unix ownership |
| 17:32.37 | rudi_s | simonlnu: ? |
| 17:32.56 | rudi_s | *for files created by the other user. |
| 17:34.47 | nsadmin | you may not need this... git can use a distributed model, specifically each person has their own git repo, and would make requests to have their changes included in some particular repo |
| 17:35.06 | simonlnu | rudi_s: you could also set up a centralised git repo with gitolite |
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| 17:35.07 | rudi_s | nsadmin: I know. But for this setup I'd prefer a "global" repository. Anyway it's working now. |
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| 17:35.09 | StuckMojo | hi. what kerenl is in wheezy> |
| 17:35.10 | StuckMojo | f? |
| 17:35.10 | StuckMojo | ack. can't type today |
| 17:35.12 | rudi_s | simonlnu: Well, it's a private repository (and I don't like centralization). |
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| 17:35.32 | rudi_s | I was just curious if something like setuid on Freebsd was available with ACLs. |
| 17:35.33 | nsadmin | but that's what you say you prefer |
| 17:37.17 | simonlnu | it can handle private repos just fine |
| 17:37.21 | rudi_s | nsadmin: .. I meant centralization like Github. |
| 17:37.23 | simonlnu | i have some public and private ones |
| 17:37.29 | simonlnu | rudi_s: but yeh, the acls do support it, but not set{u,g}id (why i don't know, seems logical to me) |
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| 17:37.31 | nsadmin | my private repos are on a machine I have, and public ones on github and gitorious |
| 17:38.03 | simonlnu | i tend to keep them local, data sovereignty and control ;) |
| 17:38.30 | rudi_s | simonlnu: Do they support it or not? (The first part of your sentence says yes, the second no.) |
| 17:38.31 | nsadmin | which are centralized in the sense it acts like a single website, but also decentralized because each developer has their own acct |
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| 17:39.07 | simonlnu | rudi_s: support what you want to do, but *not* the set*id bits |
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| 17:39.08 | nsadmin | I think what it is, is github charges for nonpublic repos |
| 17:39.09 | TPC | hi, I installed valgrind but it won't work, its complaining about not finding debug information for glibc, which it shouldn't since I have libc6-dbg installed |
| 17:39.09 | doberman | somiaj, the point is, one user can make "ln" of other's user directory (if he knows the path of course), and then access it thru web. Is it possible to disable cd/ln/ls/cat/more and commands like that outside user's home directory ? |
| 17:39.10 | TPC | any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 17:39.23 | simonlnu | nsadmin: yup |
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| 17:39.31 | rudi_s | simonlnu: Ok. Thanks. |
| 17:39.34 | nsadmin | TPC, that you haven't installed the dbg libc? |
| 17:40.13 | TPC | nsadmin, its installed, I reinstalled the package to be sure, and checked and the files are in /usr/lib/debug/ |
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| 17:40.20 | simonlnu | rudi_s: regardless of the acls, if you're going to be committing to the same codebase, it's better quite often to have somewhere to commit to so you don't have these file/dir perm issues (also a bit more security, via ssh) |
| 17:40.37 | nsadmin | how did you install valgrind? |
| 17:40.41 | TPC | with apt-get |
| 17:41.10 | nsadmin | hmm. that seems like a bug |
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| 17:42.45 | nsadmin | it's at least worth a short polite conversation with the (possibly busy) maintainer, who is reachable at valgrind@packages.debian.org |
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| 17:42.45 | rudi_s | simonlnu: It's a local file system, so security is just fine. And I prefer simple solutions and not setup a "server" for just a repository I can access locally ("simple" in this case wasn't so simple, took a while until I got the ACLs right). |
| 17:42.55 | TPC | nsadmin, I checked with strace and grepped for the ld library and its reading /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 rather than /usr/lib/debug/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so |
| 17:43.13 | TPC | nsadmin, I played around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH to try to get it to load the right files but couldn't get it to work, and don't know what else to try |
| 17:43.50 | simonlnu | rudi_s: np man. i hope you get it sorted |
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| 17:44.22 | nsadmin | maybe valgrind has configuration files? other than setting ld_library_path? |
| 17:45.01 | RichardRaseley | This may be a stupid question, but I've installed Remmina and I can invoke it from the terminal by typing "remmina" but don't see it in the GUI (Wheezy running Gnome3) |
| 17:45.25 | RichardRaseley | How would I make it so that I can just click on it in my favorites list? |
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| 17:45.52 | rudi_s | simonlnu: Took a while but now it works. Thanks for your help. |
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| 17:46.06 | simonlnu | np |
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| 17:46.29 | nsadmin | RichardRaseley, how did you install it? |
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| 17:46.43 | RichardRaseley | apt-get install |
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| 17:46.49 | TPC | nsadmin, nothing in /etc, /usr/bin/valgrind from the package a shell script that sets up the path to the debug files using LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:47.02 | RichardRaseley | nsadmin: sudo apt-get install remmina |
| 17:47.07 | nsadmin | ok, so probably the package didn't add a menu entry |
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| 17:47.48 | nsadmin | TPC, and you're saying that didn't work either? |
| 17:48.16 | nsadmin | the shell script |
| 17:48.27 | TPC | nsadmin, yeah |
| 17:49.59 | nsadmin | does the script use export on ld_libpath? |
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| 17:50.35 | TPC | nsadmin, yes |
| 17:51.03 | nsadmin | RichardRaseley, or maybe it does... did you check the debian menu in your desktop env? |
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| 17:51.29 | RichardRaseley | I am in my desktop environment (Gnome 3 on Wheezy) |
| 17:51.37 | jcrowgey | hey deb room, i've got an issue with multiarch, when i try to upgrade with apt-get upgrade, i get dpkg error, libc6 needs to be unambigious and it's not. i had this issue a few weeks ago with gcc, there was some command to issue to fix it, but i couldn't seem to turn it up on the web (and can't remember where i found it before), any suggestions?hey deb room, i've got an issue with multiarch, when i try to upgrade with |
| 17:51.38 | jcrowgey | +apt-get upgrade, i get dpkg error, libc6 needs to be unambigious and it's |
| 17:51.38 | jcrowgey | +not. i had this issue a few weeks ago with gcc, there was some command to |
| 17:51.38 | jcrowgey | +issue to fix it, but i couldn't seem to turn it up on the web (and can't |
| 17:51.38 | jcrowgey | +remember where i found it before), any suggestions? |
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| 17:52.15 | jcrowgey | sorry, i didn't not mean to flood, it was an accident. should i restate my question? |
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| 17:52.38 | Kassol | hi all |
| 17:52.52 | tremon | jcrowgey: please paste the full apt-get output (+command) |
| 17:52.56 | nsadmin | well the syntax in multiarch, I believe, would be (for example) libc6:i386 |
| 17:53.03 | tremon | not in the channel, of course |
| 17:53.09 | Kassol | Trolltass: hi |
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| 17:53.40 | Kassol | Trolltass: hi |
| 17:53.41 | tremon | jcrowgey: also, apt-cache policy dpkg apt would be wise. Probably your apt is older than dpkg |
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| 17:54.19 | jcrowgey | tremon, let me check, thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 17:55.54 | jcrowgey | specfic error from apt-get upagrade is this: 'dpkg: error: --configure needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instnace" |
| 17:55.55 | Kassol | vader--: hi |
| 17:55.58 | Kassol | hi all |
| 17:58.06 | tremon | to fix the symptom, do dpkg --configure libc6:amd64 and dpkg --configure libc6:i386 |
| 17:58.08 | jcrowgey | nsadmin, i think you're right about the syntax to select a package in multiarch, but i'm not trying to upgrade a single, pack, i'm trying to update the system with apt-get upgrade |
| 17:58.09 | jcrowgey | tremon, i will try that thank you. |
| 17:58.09 | tremon | to fix the problem, make sure apt and dpkg are both up-to-date, and file a bug if they already are |
| 17:58.10 | Kassol | ok vader-- and Trolltass you have probleme en your securite |
| 17:58.11 | Kassol | ok |
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| 17:58.12 | Kassol | demontration ok ? |
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| 17:59.42 | Kassol | blue screen and reboot |
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| 18:00.09 | Kassol | hi ho |
| 18:00.18 | nsadmin | who ho? |
| 18:01.11 | jcrowgey | tremon, you're suggestion worked! thank you, now i see that because dpkg configure was failing because of ambiguous names, i had to tell it to configure both packages individually, now apt-get upgrade is happily installing away! |
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| 18:02.50 | nsadmin | Kassol, hi and welcome to debian support. |
| 18:02.50 | jcrowgey | now i just hope i can remember that if it happens again. |
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| 18:03.36 | nsadmin | jcrowgey, and it was version skew on dpkg and apt-get? |
| 18:04.25 | jcrowgey | nsadmin, i guess i'm not sure how to answer your question :( |
| 18:05.01 | jcrowgey | i can report versions on apt-get and dpkg if you like (but perhaps they are both getting updated now, although that has gotta be in a log somewhere) |
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| 18:05.48 | nsadmin | jcrowgey, get a notebook, write "installation and systems journal for (insert machine name here)" and write something, hopefully flushed out enough so you can (knock on wood) remember it in 6 months :) |
| 18:06.27 | zinx | nsadmin: you mean create a text file? |
| 18:06.36 | nsadmin | jcrowgey, no problem; I was just curious |
| 18:06.38 | jcrowgey | nsadmin, i think i will just use a text file :) |
| 18:06.56 | zinx | maybe he meant a laptop? |
| 18:07.06 | jcrowgey | zinx, aha! |
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| 18:07.24 | gez | Hi |
| 18:07.43 | nsadmin | zinx, no, definitely not... I meant this thing that measures 8.5x11, has lined paper and a pencil taped to a string on one side and to the notebook on the other... |
| 18:07.50 | nsadmin | but a text file could work |
| 18:07.51 | gez | This is driving me nuts... K3B and kdenlive take a lot to start |
| 18:08.15 | gez | After that they seem to work fine, except for the first time I want to use the file dialog |
| 18:08.25 | gez | (Debian Testing, 64 bit) |
| 18:08.57 | gez | Did Anyone experience something similar? I installed testing in two different machines and I get the same problem |
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| 18:12.11 | nsadmin | dsdeiz, hopefully you copied the file and altered the original |
| 18:12.26 | nsadmin | or if you didn't, do that :) |
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| 18:12.55 | nsadmin | you'll feel better about altering a file you can restore |
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| 18:13.55 | dsdeiz | i'm just changing this line "options snd-hda-intel model=" |
| 18:14.25 | dsdeiz | any ideas what it should be if code is Conexant ID 5069? |
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| 18:14.41 | dsdeiz | sound is playing on both headphone and laptop speaker even if headphone is plugged |
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| 18:15.52 | jcrowgey | nsadmin, neither apt-get nor dpkg were upgraded in my recent run, apt-get --version says: 'apt 0.8.15.10 for i386 compiled on Mar 6 2012 ...' |
| 18:16.10 | jcrowgey | dpkg --version says: '1.16.9 (i386)' |
| 18:16.11 | dpkg | jcrowgey: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 18:16.34 | nsadmin | unfortunately no... most definitive thing you can do is look at the source of the module in the section where the model names are defined... you can also google |
| 18:16.37 | jcrowgey | dpkg, explain what? i'm confused. |
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| 18:17.34 | jcrowgey | dpkg, i'm confused, do you have a question for me? |
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| 18:17.36 | dpkg | jcrowgey: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 18:17.44 | nsadmin | dpkg is a bot that sometimes passes the turing test |
| 18:17.44 | dpkg | nsadmin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:17.56 | jcrowgey | hahaha! amazing |
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| 18:20.08 | nsadmin | dpkg, have you tried walking into a lair filled with angry hungry badgers? |
| 18:20.11 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, nsadmin |
| 18:20.28 | nsadmin | that's RIGHT! I'm number ONE! |
| 18:20.56 | seeqwell | I made a mistake installing pidgin-ppa and now I can't seem to connect (unless I keep making new aim accounts) purged pidgin-ppa reinstalled pidgin from repo still can't connect. Any ideas - don't want to rip the system out just avoid being annoyed |
| 18:21.14 | nsadmin | ppas are normally for ubuntu |
| 18:21.28 | seeqwell | right nsadmin i learned that a few days ago |
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| 18:23.02 | nsadmin | and, ppa is just a name that ubuntu used, and never caught on among debian users |
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| 18:23.35 | boudiccas | seeqwell, apt-get remove pidgin-ppa, apt-get pourge, log out, log in and reinstall pidgin from debian repos |
| 18:23.40 | somiaj | doberman: You can also make your webbrowser not follow symbolic links or disable the ability for your webbrowser to give a directory list. But if you have a webserver these are things one should know about. The defaults are reasonable because not all machines will have a webserver |
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| 18:23.55 | boudiccas | purge |
| 18:24.11 | nsadmin | porrage! |
| 18:24.14 | seeqwell | did that boudiccas several times |
| 18:24.22 | seeqwell | pourge? |
| 18:24.24 | seeqwell | or purge? |
| 18:24.27 | seeqwell | I purged |
| 18:24.40 | nsadmin | I binged |
| 18:24.57 | boudiccas | seeqwell, including logging out? if it still isnt working, then alter your sources.list, reboot, and then reinstall |
| 18:25.02 | nsadmin | it seems like other packages may have been installed |
| 18:25.04 | somiaj | doberman: sorry webserver not follow symlinks. But yes the 755 permisions are not the best for all situations, but they are reasonable and leave the admin of the system to modify them if they have special reasons (such as giving users shell acess in which they can make symlinks) |
| 18:25.53 | doberman | somiaj, is that the case with squeeze also? 755 is the default? |
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| 18:26.37 | somiaj | doberman: correct and i doubt it is gonna change in wheezy either (there are some dirs that are the exception to this but over all don't expect the default system to be completely secure once you start installing servers and the likes) |
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| 18:27.05 | seeqwell | here is my sources.list boudiccas http://pastebin.com/L8mk7DEy |
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| 18:28.58 | somiaj | doberman: one example I run into is /etc/network/interfaces is default 644, but since I put all my wireless keys in there I have to change it to 600 so random users can't get the keys from that file. (this is kinda just standard so the admins can make their system more secure without causing possible problems for novice users) |
| 18:29.05 | boudiccas | seeqwell, seems okay for squeeze, then i'd try upopdating, and try to reinstall. if it still doenst work, then reboot |
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| 18:29.14 | somiaj | doberman: for the most part debian is sane and picks secure defaults, but not always. |
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| 18:29.36 | doberman | somiaj, got it. Thanks a lot for clarification |
| 18:30.47 | somiaj | doberman: no problem, and yea idea is if you are an admin of a webserver (or another internet service) realize that you may need to change some defaults. There have been some good howto's out there about hardening debian (i.e. what defaults to change to make the system more secure) |
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| 18:38.46 | boudiccas | seeqwell, sorted? |
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| 18:40.20 | seeqwell | sorted boudiccas ? |
| 18:41.04 | boudiccas | seeqwell, have you sorted it out and got pidgin installed properly? |
| 18:41.34 | seeqwell | no boudiccas |
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| 18:41.53 | seeqwell | I may just reinstall next week thanks though boudiccas |
| 18:42.04 | nsadmin | what about trying to just install pidgin from the debian repo? |
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| 18:42.33 | boudiccas | seeqwell, you're going to have to examine all apt.conf files to see if its put anything awry in them? |
| 18:42.58 | seeqwell | where is that conf file boudiccas ? |
| 18:43.22 | boudiccas | seeqwell, put in a terminal 'locate apt.conf' and see all its paths |
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| 18:43.46 | LtL | seeqwell: you should append contrib non-free to your upper lines too. not just proposed-updates, then run update |
| 18:44.28 | boudiccas | seeqwell, i'm on wheezy so i dont know where squeeze has its apt.conf |
| 18:44.34 | LtL | seeqwell: not that it will solve your problem, i haven't followed it. |
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| 18:45.19 | seeqwell | ok |
| 18:45.39 | seeqwell | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 18:46.02 | nsadmin | isn't it in /etc/apt? |
| 18:46.08 | boudiccas | seeqwell, there are many places where apt.conf is, not just that one |
| 18:46.26 | seeqwell | find only found that one |
| 18:46.40 | seeqwell | no nsadmin I didn't see it. Ill look again |
| 18:46.51 | nsadmin | oh, so there isn't an apt.conf that is active |
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| 18:47.57 | boudiccas | seeqwell, did you use 'locate foo' and not 'find foo'? |
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| 18:49.08 | seeqwell | yes I see it now boudiccas |
| 18:49.18 | seeqwell | lots of apt.confs here |
| 18:49.47 | seeqwell | all in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 18:50.27 | boudiccas | seeqwell, so its just a quick look in them to see if theres anything glaringly obviously wrong in them |
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| 18:51.02 | nsadmin | usually files in a dir like that are fed to the app in alphabetical order bv filename |
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| 18:55.02 | AlexHjelm | ext3 or ext4? is ext3 safer than ext4? its for my NFS share |
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| 18:56.23 | EyesIsMine | ii'm using a wheezy installation disk, and coming from a very unupdated version of squeeze, A. what's the latest version of the kernel in the repos B. gnome3? C. systemd? |
| 18:56.24 | jelly-home | AlexHjelm: it's still more debugged than ext4, but if you're a casual home user ext4 ought to be good enough by now |
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| 18:57.13 | somiaj | AlexHjelm: for the most part ext4 is stable, but there are still some rare cases where ext4 doesn't work nicely (assoicated with some very special kernels) |
| 18:57.17 | AlexHjelm | jelly-home: i will use it to run some VPS |
| 18:57.31 | AlexHjelm | ok, so i should go with ext3 then |
| 18:57.44 | EyesIsMine | btrfs > xfs > everything |
| 18:57.48 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine: for the kernel, /msg judd kernels |
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| 18:58.13 | EyesIsMine | wants 3.6.5 |
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| 18:58.23 | somiaj | AlexHjelm: ext3 is just older and has been way more tested. But ext4 has better benchmarks in many cases. |
| 18:58.36 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine: dude, btrfs is 5 years away from being usable in production |
| 18:58.38 | somiaj | EyesIsMine: well keep on wanting. 3.2 is the kernel that will be shpped with wheezy |
| 18:58.40 | AlexHjelm | somiaj: ye, but it would be nice to have a stable raid :) |
| 18:58.48 | EyesIsMine | switches to sid |
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| 18:59.02 | somiaj | won't get anything newer than 3.2 in sid at this time either |
| 18:59.23 | EyesIsMine | experimental |
| 18:59.27 | somiaj | AlexHjelm: I'm saying the choice is yours |
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| 18:59.46 | somiaj | experiemential is not a full distrubtion. And there are no newer kenrels there either. Just compile your own kernle if you want newer than 3.2 at this time |
| 18:59.47 | jelly-home | AlexHjelm: ext3 is the safest, conservative choice |
| 18:59.55 | AlexHjelm | hm, then its ext3 |
| 19:00.06 | EyesIsMine | I've managed to screw over the install |
| 19:00.17 | AlexHjelm | i dont want extra performence if i need to go down in stability |
| 19:00.25 | EyesIsMine | in-target: Can't locate auto/Text/Iconv/new.al |
| 19:00.28 | jhutchins_wk | Still looking for a couple of apps in xfce: Amarok replacement for managing music collection and for streaming, and something to manage photos. |
| 19:00.34 | EyesIsMine | AlexHjelm, ext4 is stable |
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| 19:01.05 | boudiccas | jhutchins-deadbeef fpr the music |
| 19:01.09 | EyesIsMine | I use it for my rootfs, and no matter how many times I get a cpu lockup, it doesn't die on me |
| 19:01.10 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean manage photos? Have you looked at vlc, people seem to like that media player |
| 19:01.11 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine: I've had problems with ext4 in ~2.6.36 or so |
| 19:01.18 | EyesIsMine | 2.6 is horribly outdated |
| 19:01.28 | EyesIsMine | 3.6.5 |
| 19:01.29 | nsadmin | does it work for you? |
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| 19:01.57 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I personally use cp/mv to manage my photos, and feh to view directories of them eaisly |
| 19:02.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I use clementine for music. It's a Qt4 app. |
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| 19:03.29 | LordDeath | I was expecting flamewars and shitstorms https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4762472 |
| 19:03.33 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: but I would suggest a file manager with thumbnails as a nice way to manage photos and then grab some viewer (again sugget feh) |
| 19:03.36 | LordDeath | but people are so boring ^^ |
| 19:03.42 | shadow_fox | problem with torrent magents |
| 19:03.49 | shadow_fox | can someone suggest what to use |
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| 19:04.10 | jelly-home | LordDeath: this is mostly a tech support channel. |
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| 19:04.32 | boudiccas | shadow_fox, delugeor fatrat |
| 19:04.51 | boudiccas | deluge or |
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| 19:04.59 | EyesIsMine | since when is wheezy in 2011 |
| 19:05.05 | AlexHjelm | EyesIsMine: better stay with the old and stable |
| 19:05.12 | AlexHjelm | i will maybe upgrade to ext4 in 2-3 years |
| 19:05.17 | nsadmin | shadow_fox, find the problem |
| 19:05.24 | somiaj | EyesIsMine: do you have anything to do except complain that debian prefers stability over being bleeding edge? |
| 19:05.27 | EyesIsMine | ext4 is stable |
| 19:05.32 | EyesIsMine | somiaj, no |
| 19:05.41 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: dunno it says cant find any application to open with |
| 19:05.44 | EyesIsMine | give me systemd and i'll be happy |
| 19:05.45 | somiaj | EyesIsMine: then you are off-topic and should know better. |
| 19:05.48 | shadow_fox | i have ice weasel 10 |
| 19:05.55 | shadow_fox | backports installed |
| 19:06.26 | nsadmin | if it can |
| 19:07.10 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: what to do ?? |
| 19:07.16 | nsadmin | not find an app to open with, the "it" didn't have a file type -> app association |
| 19:07.35 | EyesIsMine | what is a file extention |
| 19:07.42 | shadow_fox | well i know th piratebay has .torrent file extension |
| 19:07.48 | boudiccas | shadow_fox, i've given you two programmes, suit yourself |
| 19:07.54 | nsadmin | EyesIsMine, it's like an extra arm |
| 19:08.15 | shadow_fox | boudiccas: let me check |
| 19:08.22 | zinx | shadow_fox: lies. piratebay has a magnet:// prefix |
| 19:08.31 | EyesIsMine | i'm used to dd'ing the first 4 bytes of the file to check it's magic number |
| 19:08.52 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine: sometimes you have to take into account what kind of a system a user is building and how long it's supposed to last. ext4 might be good enough now, but if there's evidence of corruption merely two years ago, that needs to be taken into account |
| 19:08.58 | shadow_fox | zinx: i am not lieing or anything it says it cant open the file type |
| 19:09.07 | EyesIsMine | well, depending on what kernel he uses |
| 19:09.13 | nsadmin | "it"? |
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| 19:09.27 | EyesIsMine | before 3.6.4/5 there was a bad ext4 corruption bug |
| 19:09.30 | shadow_fox | the magnet file link that i am clicking |
| 19:09.35 | nsadmin | "he"? he who should be in here? :) |
| 19:09.40 | ciao | ciao |
| 19:09.43 | boudiccas | shadow_fox, right click the magnet link, save it to the clipboard, and paste it into deluge or fatrat |
| 19:09.45 | AlexHjelm | im using 2.6.x |
| 19:09.47 | AlexHjelm | stable |
| 19:09.50 | ciao | spidermen |
| 19:09.52 | EyesIsMine | xfs |
| 19:10.11 | shadow_fox | I am installing any one of the two right now boudiccas |
| 19:10.11 | zinx | EyesIsMine: Debian sid is still using 3.2.0 |
| 19:10.19 | EyesIsMine | loves xfs |
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| 19:11.07 | nsadmin | EyesIsMine, get a ups for any machine you use it on |
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| 19:11.20 | jelly-home | zinx: that's incorrect. Check the changelog of kernel packages to see which upstream version it's based on. Also check who maintains Debian kernel packages and the 3.2 longterm kernel. |
| 19:11.21 | nsadmin | or do you mean x font server? |
| 19:11.33 | zinx | jelly-home: >_< |
| 19:11.38 | EyesIsMine | the only thing I have with xfs is how horrible it is on sudden crashes |
| 19:11.43 | zinx | jelly-home: Debian 3.2.32-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:11.55 | EyesIsMine | but xfs_check & xfs_repair always fix it for me |
| 19:12.03 | EyesIsMine | unless the file was used in the last 10 minutes |
| 19:12.17 | zinx | jelly-home: never been one to use -trunk myself though. |
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| 19:12.49 | jelly-home | zinx: and you'll see the very same name on Debian changelogs, and on kernel.org 3.2.33 release |
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| 19:13.27 | zinx | jelly-home: not sure what you're on about at this point |
| 19:13.53 | jelly-home | zinx: Debian's 3.2 kernels are pretty much up to date. |
| 19:13.59 | nsadmin | EyesIsMine, if you've chosen the performance enhancements of xfx, that could mean that some of the partition is cached in ram (to enhance performance). If you lose power, you lose that cache, and recovery might replace what was cached with zeroed sectors |
| 19:14.15 | zinx | jelly-home: oh, yeah, i pasted the version number, i should have said 3.2.x, my apologies |
| 19:14.38 | Harzilein | hi |
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| 19:16.09 | nsadmin | EyesIsMine, and this would have it make sense to protect against power loss, like put it on a ups |
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| 19:16.23 | Harzilein | first a short rant: why is there no easily online readable (and searchable) version of the debian policy? the text version is sent as a "gz file" instead of text with gz encoding -> firefox saves it. the html-version is only rendered in "one file per chapter" format. |
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| 19:17.23 | nsadmin | I guess you could take the document source and render it any way you want |
| 19:17.25 | jelly-home | Harzilein: using zless or zgrep isn't _that_ hard I guess |
| 19:17.33 | Harzilein | i said _online_ |
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| 19:18.34 | nsadmin | Harzilein, you consider what you said a rant... what triggered it? |
| 19:18.44 | jelly-home | Harzilein: ah. Well http://www.debian.org/doc/ seems to have a search function |
| 19:19.20 | Harzilein | jelly-home: i also know about google. it'd be a lot more convenient to be able to use ctrl+f. |
| 19:19.46 | jelly-home | Personally I prefer / |
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| 19:20.08 | Harzilein | especially that "let's send a 'gzip archive' instead of transparently offering the .gz file as gzip encoded plaintext" thing is _so_ close to what would actually be useful |
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| 19:20.39 | nsadmin | Harzilein, remember any such convenience would be provided by volunteers... you willing to pay to have it look the way you want? |
| 19:20.41 | Harzilein | (gzip archive is firefox/mime infrastructure's wording) |
| 19:20.44 | jelly-home | Harzilein: you can file a bug against www.debian.org virtual package, that last suggestion makes sense |
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| 19:21.16 | Harzilein | nsadmin: i guess i'd be willing to file a bug, i'm no dd and this is likely a configuration issue so i guess i can't offer to fix it |
| 19:22.00 | nsadmin | obviously you're not willing to do it yourself... so the only choices left are download it as it is or do somethign yourself about it |
| 19:22.43 | nsadmin | Harzilein, ever hear of "fixing a problem and including that fix in a bug report"? |
| 19:22.45 | Harzilein | well, my actual problem for that i might or might not have been able to peruse the debian policy: i need to find out what kind of scheme i might use if i want to have site-local subdirectories in /var/log and not have them clash with future package names |
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| 19:23.03 | jelly-home | nsadmin: how the hell can he change configuration of debian's web site himself |
| 19:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: thx. |
| 19:23.49 | jhutchins_wk | mplayer plays well enough, but I want something that would manage my audio files and streaming links (although streaming could be separate). |
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| 19:24.04 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: I've persoanlly just shoved things like that into /srv instead |
| 19:24.21 | jelly-home | eugh, logs in srv :-) |
| 19:24.27 | boudiccas | jhutchins_wk, radiotray for streaming stuff |
| 19:24.28 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: but usually you're talking about things like web logs; everything else, the default configurations are pretty reasonable |
| 19:24.33 | nsadmin | jelly-home, debian is open source, that should include server configs... he should be able to read it, alter the copy and generate a diff |
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| 19:24.47 | jelly-home | nsadmin: you're kidding, right? |
| 19:24.53 | Harzilein | so is there such a scheme? say, akin to <nn>-local-foo in conf.d-style directories or apache conf.d |
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| 19:25.09 | Harzilein | s/or apache/or local-foo in apache/ |
| 19:25.28 | EyesIsMine | okay, "install the base system" is stuck on configuring kbd |
| 19:25.31 | EyesIsMine | how do I kill apt |
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| 19:25.47 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: that would violate fhs, as it clearly states that stuff there is to be served by local services, not "anything related to local services" |
| 19:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: for log files? No, not really |
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| 19:25.53 | nsadmin | why should I be kidding? debian says "we will not hide problems" |
| 19:25.59 | jelly-home | Harzilein: Theoretically, FHS might tell you to use /var/opt hier. and /var/opt/log in there |
| 19:26.03 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: If it's conifguring it's dpkg. |
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| 19:26.33 | Harzilein | jelly-home: heh, but as these are indeed webserver logs there is no "third party software" involved here |
| 19:26.50 | EyesIsMine | ah k |
| 19:27.11 | nsadmin | how can bugs be filed against www.debian.org around these kinds of issues if the server config is not available? |
| 19:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: it's data for services provided by that system |
| 19:27.21 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: the server config is actually available for the most part |
| 19:27.23 | Harzilein | nsadmin: excellent question |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | nsadmin: "this is broken, plzfix" |
| 19:27.32 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: which is in /srv. |
| 19:27.56 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: "/srv contains site-specific data which is served by this system." |
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| 19:28.04 | rizlah | Define served |
| 19:28.06 | nsadmin | jelly-home, dds are busy... it would be nice to be able to provide somethign with more meat on the bones |
| 19:28.07 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: this is not data served by the system |
| 19:28.08 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: you can of course do anything else you want to do, but the general reason to shove things into /srv is so you can copy service say, www.foo.com from /srv/www.foo.com to some other host, symlink things in, and be done. |
| 19:28.11 | rizlah | Do VMs go there or /var? |
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| 19:28.43 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: so? it's still data for the service |
| 19:29.29 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: that would be stretched very far. after logging that data nginx (in this case) will never care about it again. |
| 19:29.33 | jelly-home | nsadmin: sure, I'd do that if I could find the damn configs in 2 minutes |
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| 19:29.51 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: yes, but presumably you're doing something with the logs, otherwise why bother to keep them? |
| 19:30.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: Debian's bts is PITA to use as it is already |
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| 19:30.09 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: but it's your system; do whatever you want. |
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| 19:31.02 | rizlah | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIyNTE |
| 19:31.08 | rizlah | mfw these guys just don't give up |
| 19:31.08 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: hmm... the rationale explicitely mentions "writable data" |
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| 19:32.10 | jelly-home | logs are write-only! |
| 19:32.12 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:32.32 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: the primary reason to use /srv is that it's guarnateed that the distribution won't screw with it, and by sticking everything that involves a specific service there, you can easily move it between machines, get rid of it, back it up, etc. |
| 19:32.53 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: what in particular about the BTS is difficult to use? |
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| 19:33.06 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: yeah, i do that here as well. but i'd feel better if i would not have to introduce the guys at work to this. |
| 19:33.16 | Harzilein | s/here/on my own server/ |
| 19:33.19 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I'm not automatically subscribed to my own reports. |
| 19:34.18 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: ok. anything else? |
| 19:34.22 | jelly-home | both reportbug and -ng are hard to use |
| 19:34.34 | k4l4shn1k0v | is away: dinner time |
| 19:34.34 | jelly-home | esp. wrt searching for similar reports |
| 19:34.45 | dondelelcaro | k4l4shn1k0v: please turn that off |
| 19:35.40 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: the searching is actually best done using bugs-search.debian.org |
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| 19:36.20 | jelly-home | but that means I need to use both rng and a web browser |
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| 19:36.44 | jelly-home | noted, tho, thanks |
| 19:37.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: sounds like a feature request bug you should file against reportbug then |
| 19:37.41 | dsdeiz | hm, i upgrade alsa and now my codec is "Conexant CX20585" but still sound comes out on both speaker and headphone. most say to just add 'options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad' or 'thinkpad' but still it didn't solve my audio problem |
| 19:37.49 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: indeed |
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| 19:40.23 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git;a=blob;f=modules/roles/files/www_mirror/www.debian.org;h=2fd925e960c2bf20370365df029a2beacfccefcf;hb=HEAD |
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| 19:41.53 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: looks like this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624838#10 |
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| 19:42.10 | dondelelcaro | and lo, it's blocking on me doing work. |
| 19:42.18 | jelly-home | heh |
| 19:42.40 | rizlah | Why don't Wheezy bugs get fixed fast enough? |
| 19:42.54 | jelly-home | can I file bugs on don not having enough hours in a day |
| 19:43.25 | dondelelcaro | rizlah: because we need more people fixing them |
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| 19:43.42 | rizlah | But I don't want to install Debian and start working on it until Wheezy is stable |
| 19:43.44 | rizlah | :C ! |
| 19:44.11 | dondelelcaro | rizlah: so? you can install wheezy in a chroot, or on a separate machine, or... |
| 19:45.24 | rizlah | I have it in a VM |
| 19:45.37 | dsdeiz | btw is there a short way to restart services? i'm always doing sudo /etc/init.d/service restart |
| 19:46.01 | Tom_SDHC | I installed Debian to a SDHC card at /dev/sdc1-8; however, after booting it's mapped to /dev/sda1-8. I cannot mount the 'real' sda1 (win7), and grub did not generate a menu entry for it. The /boot/grub/device.map and all of the grub device ids (eg, (hd2,msdos1)) look OK. Where is the drive remapping occuring? This did not happen the last time I installed Debian to a SDHC card about a year ago. |
| 19:46.05 | rizlah | dondelelcaro: Mr. Don When do you think stable will be out? |
| 19:46.11 | nsadmin | rizlah, so, are you saying that of all the machines you have direct or root access to, you do not use debian on any of them? |
| 19:46.26 | rizlah | I am saying exactly that. |
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| 19:46.40 | rizlah | I don't want to intall squeeze because it's too old, nor do I want B3 because it will change. |
| 19:46.43 | rizlah | :C ! |
| 19:47.04 | nsadmin | B3 is of the INSTALLER |
| 19:47.11 | nsadmin | I told you this several days ago |
| 19:47.36 | boudiccas | rizlah, doh! |
| 19:47.42 | rizlah | You said nothing of the sort |
| 19:47.54 | nsadmin | yes I did |
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| 19:48.58 | nsadmin | in any case, you can get wheezy by installing minimal squeeze (200 mb compressed) and (without installing anything else) upgrade to wheezy, |
| 19:49.05 | remote | hey dpkg |
| 19:49.20 | nsadmin | you will then have a minimal wheezy install, and can run tasksel |
| 19:49.36 | rizlah | nsadmin: The point being that if I install wheezy now, when it becomes stable there will be old things left over from B3 |
| 19:49.53 | nsadmin | you could try using th b3 installer, and you won't get a different result |
| 19:50.05 | boudiccas | rizlah, can you read? b3 is the INSTALLER |
| 19:50.09 | nsadmin | b3 is not a debian distribution |
| 19:50.17 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: i would really feel better with a policy that allows me to safely create directories below /var/log/ that are guaranteed to not be touched by packages :/ |
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| 19:50.24 | nsadmin | so you didn't listen then and you're not listening now |
| 19:50.39 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: restricted to some prefix |
| 19:51.02 | rizlah | Right, but the version B3 installs now and the version it will be at stable will be different, no? |
| 19:51.03 | rizlah | I have installed wheezy with B3 on a VM, but haven't made the transition to my main PC yet |
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| 19:51.34 | nsadmin | listening is required for understanding, and with you choosing to limit your listening is you choosing to limit your understanding |
| 19:51.50 | nsadmin | a decision you can choose to change... |
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| 19:52.00 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: well, such a policy doesn't exist. However, you should be pretty safe with anything that doesn't match a package name. |
| 19:52.07 | rizlah | nsadmin: I listen, but I don't think you understand what I say. Communication problem of sorts. |
| 19:52.32 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: for example, www.foo.com will almost certainly never match a package name. |
| 19:52.35 | nsadmin | ok, I'm all open, speak your peace |
| 19:52.56 | jelly-home | would Harzilein's worries about a future package be assuaged by a preemptive dpkg-divert? |
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| 19:53.32 | nsadmin | meaning a divert for a file that doesn't exist in the archive yet? |
| 19:53.42 | jelly-home | nah. that only works for dpkg, not the application writing to /var/log/foo/ on its own |
| 19:53.46 | rizlah | You asked if I have debian installed on anything, I said no machines, though earlier I said on a VM. I want to install on main PC but Wheezy has some changes to be made between now and when it becomes stable, hence it is better to install when it is released as such rather than now and have old files left over from an upgrade |
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| 19:54.03 | jelly-home | nsadmin: right |
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| 19:54.45 | jelly-home | rizlah: heh, I have old files left over from Debian 2.1 here. |
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| 19:55.51 | nsadmin | rizlah, right, and will continue to have changes trickle in, the reason being very sever bugs are being fixed |
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| 19:56.15 | nsadmin | right now wheezy is frozen, which just means that changes don't just freely come in |
| 19:56.28 | Harzilein | the problem with googling for this is that most discussions are about where to place web sites' content, possible code for dynamic pages and their writable data. i prefer /srv but see no need to convince anyone at work and think putting the app below /var/www/ is just as fine. _but_: |
| 19:56.29 | rizlah | Right, so what you're saying is that installing B3 now is the equivalent of installing stable when it comes out? |
| 19:56.37 | nsadmin | they are each controlled by ftp-master |
| 19:57.12 | jelly-home | rizlah: modulo all the bugs that need to be fixed, pretty much |
| 19:57.15 | Harzilein | i want to control logging, log rotation etc. independently from what's configured from the webserver and especially get rid of the huge directory with logrotated logs from multiple sites |
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| 19:57.39 | rizlah | hmm |
| 19:57.43 | rizlah | thinks about installing |
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| 19:58.33 | jelly-home | rizlah: stable will have security updates. A frozen testing does NOT have any |
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| 19:59.02 | Harzilein | putting the "real" data below /var/www and the logs below /srv sounds like a setup for developers calling me after hours for where the fsck did i put the logfile (for which i ought to beat them with a bfcb because they can read /etc/apache/sites-enabled/* just as well as i can) |
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| 19:59.50 | jelly-home | Harzilein: you can put the DocumentRoots under /srv as well? |
| 19:59.56 | rizlah | jelly-home: Right, but eventually the wheezy frozen testing will become stable. As I asked earlier, right? |
| 20:00.04 | nsadmin | rizlah, put it on a spare machine, kick the tires |
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| 20:00.21 | rizlah | It will not continue to be testing, it will become stable and sources pointing to wheezy will be pointing to stable |
| 20:00.24 | jelly-home | rizlah: sure, but it's not equivalent |
| 20:00.28 | rizlah | Only have one machine |
| 20:00.31 | rizlah | jelly-home: Do tell |
| 20:01.08 | Harzilein | jelly-home: i'd look like the idiot that wants to press different conventions for their own sake. i want to save that for conventions where i actually _do_ care. we'd have to change deployment scripts and everything. |
| 20:02.15 | jelly-home | Harzilein: dunno. For internal sites, where no security boundaries need to be established, you could just stick all the logs into /var/log/apache2 |
| 20:02.27 | jelly-home | or whatever httpd |
| 20:02.46 | nsadmin | the general recommendation is to put the code name (like wheezy) in sources.list and not testing (which is what wheey is now, but when it's released and a new testing is created and the pointers set properly, you can get surprised) so that wheezy is tracked as it becomes stable and afterwards. |
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| 20:03.28 | Harzilein | jelly-home: but that is exactly what i want to get rid of: now the package's logrotate.d-file controls my log rotation and with subdirectories in there i'd set myself up for trouble with maintainer scripts or whatever that don't expect that. |
| 20:04.01 | Harzilein | jelly-home: it all started with me wanting separate logs for our own ip range |
| 20:04.31 | nsadmin | you mean a log per range? or a log per ip? |
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| 20:04.48 | Harzilein | jelly-home: now even on those systems that only host one site, i have doubled the amount of files created through log rotation that mess up the directory display |
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| 20:05.23 | danols_work | does anyone here have experience with using symbolic links in cron.hourly directory ? |
| 20:05.40 | jelly-home | Harzilein: cronolog? |
| 20:05.45 | danols_work | and where can I find 'error' messages regarding cron - to see if its even trying to execute the symbolic link |
| 20:05.53 | Harzilein | nsadmin: i want to abuse nginx' geo feature to get myself www.foo.developers-access.log and www.foo.unwashed_masses-access.log |
| 20:06.12 | danols_work | I did verify the permisions, that only the owner can execute and write to the file |
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| 20:06.45 | nsadmin | danols_work, maybe it's better if you share your experience, and be specific as to what you believe your overall problem is so that the conversation can start there |
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| 20:07.09 | danols_work | nsadmin my bad - I'll try to be more clear |
| 20:07.17 | jpinx-trapper | rizlah: fwiw I've just made a vm of squeeze and am currently upgrading to wheezy. Stick to release names rather than "stable" "testing" etc and you won't go far wrong |
| 20:07.22 | danols_work | I have a symbolic link in /cron.hourly/ going to a file |
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| 20:07.43 | nsadmin | that's in or out of that dir? |
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| 20:07.56 | rizlah | Hmm |
| 20:08.07 | danols_work | the file is a text file |
| 20:08.24 | Harzilein | jelly-home: hmm? i use logrotate. currently without a saner place to keep the log, i'd need to disable nginx' logrotate.d whether or not i want to use _another_ _different_ tool for log rotation |
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| 20:08.53 | nsadmin | let me see if I understand so far... you have in cron.hourly, a symlink to a text file |
| 20:08.59 | danols_work | https://secure.join.me/683-104-436 |
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| 20:09.05 | danols_work | nsadmin yes correct |
| 20:09.23 | danols_work | I understand there are 'permissions' caveats doing this but my permissions are as follows: |
| 20:09.25 | nsadmin | ok, what is the url you just shared? |
| 20:09.49 | danols_work | it's so you can see my screen |
| 20:09.53 | danols_work | it's live feed |
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| 20:10.35 | danols_work | I followed this to help http://askubuntu.com/questions/54857/can-symlinks-be-used-in-etc-cron-d |
| 20:10.37 | rizlah | nsadmin: Save |
| 20:10.41 | rizlah | *safe |
| 20:10.50 | rizlah | watching him type now |
| 20:10.54 | rizlah | lolol amazing |
| 20:10.56 | rizlah | Click it |
| 20:10.58 | danols_work | now the command itself does work because I have first had it in a crontab -e setup |
| 20:11.04 | danols_work | yeah it's cool :) |
| 20:11.07 | danols_work | you can request help too |
| 20:11.09 | danols_work | feel free |
| 20:11.09 | damacus | damn nice |
| 20:11.22 | danols_work | join.me is a free service |
| 20:11.50 | danols_work | you guys see the symlink ? |
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| 20:11.59 | rizlah | I SEE IT BRO |
| 20:12.01 | rizlah | I SEE |
| 20:12.04 | rizlah | WIT ME OWN EYES |
| 20:12.28 | danols_work | and last time this command run on Nov 5 - but at that time it was a direct entry in root's user cronfile |
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| 20:12.53 | damacus | chmodo ug+x the file |
| 20:12.58 | danols_work | so two questions - can I use symlinks as cron files and if so is there any way for me to check why this one doesn't appear to be even called |
| 20:12.59 | damacus | it only has exec perm for other |
| 20:13.15 | danols_work | damacus yes BUT: |
| 20:13.30 | rizlah | Dont paste |
| 20:13.33 | rizlah | will ge kicked |
| 20:13.35 | rizlah | big paste |
| 20:13.43 | rizlah | nvm |
| 20:13.46 | rizlah | only one sentence is ok |
| 20:13.47 | danols_work | http://askubuntu.com/questions/54857/can-symlinks-be-used-in-etc-cron-d - they must not be executable or writable for anyone else but the owner. |
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| 20:14.13 | danols_work | so I actually only have XW on the owner |
| 20:14.19 | damacus | weird. |
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| 20:14.33 | damacus | doesnt cron run as root though? |
| 20:14.35 | rizlah | This fucking guy with his join.me |
| 20:14.40 | rizlah | mfw |
| 20:14.43 | danols_work | - long time ago I also tried getting symlinks to work for cron but gave up so this is attempt number 2 |
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| 20:15.02 | danols_work | it's mr fucking guy |
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| 20:15.20 | danols_work | and right now I can't read if you are being an ass or not |
| 20:15.28 | rizlah | I am not, so withdraw your comment |
| 20:15.36 | danols_work | i withdraw my comment |
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| 20:15.59 | danols_work | misread it as aggressive |
| 20:16.11 | nsadmin | danols_work, what if you did one of these: 1, reverse it: put the actual file (with perms as you described) and the symlink anywhere else; 2, put the files under version control |
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| 20:17.01 | danols_work | ok on that note any quick way to test force running cron.hourly early ? |
| 20:18.13 | danols_work | k I have to go - a fire to put out here |
| 20:18.39 | n2diy_ | In the past when I was using Xubuntu, I used filezilla as my ftp client, is that still a good choice with Debian? I'm using XFCE4 as my desktop, and have a lot of KDE stuff installed too. |
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| 20:21.32 | ChrisH | n2diy_: I think that's more a question of personal prefernces. If you are happy with these applications, stay with them. |
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| 20:22.55 | rizlah | I don't trust anything with "zilla" in the name |
| 20:23.33 | nsadmin | howbout foo? |
| 20:23.34 | somiaj | n2diy_: debian gives you lots of choices for almost any application you want. So yea use the ftp client you like, though many may not agree with your choice, in the end debian gives you the freedom of choice |
| 20:24.08 | rizlah | somiaj: When I clicked "Install desktop environment" I was not given a choice. |
| 20:24.14 | rizlah | I was given Gnome3. |
| 20:24.20 | rizlah | Want to know how that turned out? |
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| 20:24.57 | somiaj | rizlah: yes you were, you chose to install the default desktop enviorment. I do not use the default tasksel desktop enviorment for that very reason because of my choice. |
| 20:25.16 | n2diy_ | ChrisH: somiaj ok, my concern was limiting then number of libraries my choice would bring with it. |
| 20:25.22 | somiaj | if you looked though tasksel you could have chosen to install altnerative desktop enviroments |
| 20:25.30 | nsadmin | not really... a bit of research on your part would have shown how to install the thing you want |
| 20:25.32 | danols_work | interesting the man cron on my debian system is a little different then the article I found: In contrast to the spool area, files in /etc/cron.d may be symlinks, provided that both the symlink and the file it points to are owned by root. |
| 20:26.01 | nsadmin | "not really" was to "do you want to hear how that turned out" |
| 20:26.03 | somiaj | n2diy_: the libs don't seem outragous to me (most you might already have if you are running gnome) |
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| 20:26.23 | rizlah | xD |
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| 20:27.21 | somiaj | n2diy_: if you want suggestions I prefer lftp (command line) myself, and thought gftp-gtk was an ok gui. I'm sure others can give you other options if you want to shop around. |
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| 20:28.57 | jhutchins_wk | I almost always use wget. |
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| 20:29.20 | n2diy_ | somiaj: ok, I'm familiar with filezilla, so I'll stick with that, thanks. |
| 20:29.38 | ChrisH | n2diy_,somiaj If I need to use ftp protocoll, I normally use the simple ftp CLI tool or wget/curl. |
| 20:30.19 | somiaj | yea I just liked lftp in that case cause it has tab complition and the likes in its psudoshell. though I avoid ftp and use rsync over ssh if I can |
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| 20:32.49 | ChrisH | ftp in local network reduces the CPU load. On low CPU Power system FTP increased transfer speed and decreases load... especially if reading/writing on/from encrypted filesystems. |
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| 20:33.48 | sbyrne | I set dpi correctly with xrandr --dpi, and now all my GTK apps have huge fonts. How do I tell GTK how to scale fonts? |
| 20:33.53 | somiaj | how would that compare to say just using nfs since you are on a local network? |
| 20:34.48 | somiaj | sbyrne: you can configure a default font/size in your .gtkrc-2.0 or something like that. There was a simple little tool gtk-theme-switch which would write the files for you |
| 20:34.59 | somiaj | seems there is gtk-chtheme too haven't used that |
| 20:35.13 | ChrisH | somiaj: Sadly I need to tell you, I did not test in that env last time... And that me, an old NFS/NIS fan. :( |
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| 20:35.56 | jelly-home | you probably come from Solaris where nfs actually worked |
| 20:36.00 | somiaj | ChrisH: yea never thought about the fact that ftp would give decrease load/incerase speed cause of no encryption...I just avoid it since I don't do much on local networks only |
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| 20:36.35 | sbyrne | somiaj: gtk-chtheme works, thank you. |
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| 20:37.20 | ChrisH | jelly-home: I worked with Solaris and as a subcontrator to Sun |
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| 20:38.19 | jelly-home | wins a cookie |
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| 20:39.08 | damacus | the speed thing also mattered more when you were talking slower processors and it was a difference between 3-8MB/sec and 50-80M/sec :) |
| 20:39.39 | ChrisH | jelly-home: to confuse you... I worked for HP, too. On HP/UX NFS did not work that well... But I still like and use NFS/NIS, even at home. But I stay away from NFS V4 in mixed env. |
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| 20:41.05 | ChrisH | damacus: My server system was a 500MHz P3 system with encryption... it was so horrible slow |
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| 20:43.36 | martxelo | hi |
| 20:43.41 | damacus | slowest i can recall in recent times was scping a file from a 250mhz SGI indy (10mbps ethernet) |
| 20:43.42 | maxxe | ChrisH: how much memory? |
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| 20:43.59 | damacus | i thikn it was 200-400K/sec max |
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| 20:45.15 | ChrisH | maxxe: 512MB... Mainboard chipset does not allow more |
| 20:45.34 | maxxe | aah =) ok. hehe. |
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| 20:46.22 | ChrisH | damacus: a combination of NIC speed and CPU speed. |
| 20:46.25 | maxxe | i had a pretty old computer with 533 mhz, and 128 ram. upgraded the cpu to 933 and 768 ram. pretty fast actually to be a such old computer |
| 20:47.28 | maxxe | old ati radeon gfx card, the one that came after ati rage 128 =) |
| 20:47.39 | danols_work | if anyone still remembers my cron symbolic link - well it appears any files in cron.daily, cron.hourly etc. are ignore if they have a `dot` in them as per `man cron` ! |
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| 20:50.25 | ChrisH | ... why is blockdev-wipe so slow? still waiting to continue my installation |
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| 20:52.03 | ChrisH | danols_work: I did not see your initial question, but I personally stay with the crontab -e root option to install and run cron jobs. So I do not need to change my way doing it on all the unix'ish system I am working on the whole day long |
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| 20:54.40 | Leoneof | no seeds in torrent for wheezy beta3, any idea? |
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| 20:56.41 | Hofnarr | Hi |
| 20:57.44 | Hofnarr | I just installed latest debian, how to install flashplayer (for firefox)? |
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| 20:59.35 | ChrisH | Hofnarr: Euer Gnaden, checked aptitude search flash and check for nonfree ? |
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| 20:59.51 | mathieulkj | somes good C programmer around ??? |
| 21:00.31 | mathieulkj | why a program's thread could not write on stdout on some machine ? |
| 21:00.35 | Hofnarr | ChrisH: I forgot I installed synaptic, will search there |
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| 21:02.22 | ChrisH | wonders what synaptic is |
| 21:02.41 | mathieulkj | :P |
| 21:02.50 | Hofnarr | ChrisH: package manager :o |
| 21:03.02 | Hofnarr | But anyways, no results |
| 21:03.24 | mathieulkj | what are you trying to do, hoffnarr |
| 21:03.37 | Hofnarr | install flash player |
| 21:03.41 | Hofnarr | for firefox |
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| 21:03.58 | nsadmin | Hofnarr, pastebin the content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.11 | mathieulkj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.15 | ChrisH | Hofnarr: can you please pastebin the output from aptiude search flash on paste.debian.net and hopefully someone can check the result... I cannot, terminal access only. |
| 21:04.32 | ChrisH | Firefox or iceweasel? |
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| 21:05.01 | ChrisH | aptitude search flash (there was a T missing) |
| 21:06.01 | Hofnarr | http://pastebin.com/2aZSPGR1 |
| 21:06.22 | Hofnarr | ChrisH: firefox and mathieulkj: yes, nonfree one |
| 21:06.27 | maxxe | install it manually to firefox/plugins? |
| 21:06.36 | Hofnarr | Umh |
| 21:06.50 | Hofnarr | I dl'd the .deb |
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| 21:07.01 | Hofnarr | What i should do with that |
| 21:07.04 | maxxe | don't do that |
| 21:07.11 | maxxe | tar.gz is what you need |
| 21:07.49 | nsadmin | maxxe, so you're recommending he install from a source tarball? |
| 21:08.05 | maxxe | yes |
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| 21:08.19 | maxxe | actually just extract the tar.gz and copy libflashplayer.so to firefox/plugins |
| 21:08.22 | maxxe | and you're done |
| 21:08.26 | maxxe | system-wide |
| 21:08.50 | ChrisH | Why not using iceweasel from repos instead of firefox? |
| 21:09.12 | nsadmin | well he is free to do so |
| 21:09.46 | nsadmin | I don't think there's a benefit to not keeping his debian package db informed |
| 21:09.55 | Leoneof | torrent for wheezy is down? |
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| 21:11.28 | ChrisH | nsadmin: sure I is free to do. I only tried to understand why. For me the cons beat the pros of installing firefox. |
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| 21:19.33 | Hofnarr | ChrisH: but can you get flashplayer to iceweasel |
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| 21:24.12 | WorkGroup | Hello, is here an German Channel to? |
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| 21:24.27 | ChrisH | Hofnarr: yes. aptitude search flash and check for the nonfree line. apt-get install XXX replace XXX with the packagename with the nonfree in. I currently cannot copy and paste as I am sitting on a Laptop which gets just installed and I wam waiting for the wipe process to finish preparing the crypto device. |
| 21:25.16 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: i went and wrote this for my coworkers: http://paste.debian.net/207851/ |
| 21:25.28 | maxxe | Hofnarr: if you downloaded the .deb and installed it, the install script provided with the .deb might try to install to a diffrent directory rather than where your /path/to/firefox/plugins is located. that's why to use the .tar.gz and copy the module manually to that directory |
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| 21:25.55 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell WorkGroup about german |
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| 21:26.43 | Morrolan | Up to recently I've been using a fake (read: Motherboard-provided) RAID1 system (containing /home, / and /boot were on a separate hard drive.) Now the hard drive with the OS on it died, and I had considered switching over to software RAID while I'm reinstalling the OS. How much of a headache would that be? |
| 21:27.05 | Morrolan | (Without loosing the data, of course.) |
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| 21:29.46 | WorkGroup | ChrisH, very cool thank you your dpkg is nice |
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| 21:30.38 | ChrisH | WorkGroup: Its not my bot and I cannot tell you anything about that channel... Ich war nie da. Try it. |
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| 21:31.13 | aguitel | are debian using systemd ? |
| 21:31.27 | nsadmin | , v systemd |
| 21:31.28 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- sid: 44-5; wheezy: 44-5 |
| 21:31.52 | nsadmin | looks like it's in there, dunno how integrated it is yet |
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| 21:32.22 | Hofnarr | ChrisH: didn't help |
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| 21:36.45 | jordanm | nsadmin: not much, a handfull of services ship systemd unit files. it is usable though |
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| 21:39.17 | nsadmin | so it sounds like debian (wheezy and sid only) "uses" systemd about 20-30% |
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| 21:41.51 | Hofnarr | Goddamn, got it working :D |
| 21:42.09 | Hofnarr | Yeah, ty for help :) |
| 21:42.19 | Hofnarr | Bye o/ |
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| 21:59.05 | Yans | Hello People. |
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| 22:05.01 | Yans | Installing Debian |
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| 22:06.13 | Harzilein | i wonder if in all those years there hasn't been one person who wrote a script that nicely identifies the device nodes in use by any snd_* module. including the oss emulation layer. with no blind spots. that just gets the job done. (in order to find which are used by processes and to kill the f*ckers) |
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| 22:07.49 | Morrolan | How much of a headache would be it be to switch from a fake RAID1 system (as in, motherboard-provided) to a software RAID system without loosing any data? |
| 22:08.05 | Morrolan | (The two HDDs in question contain the /home partition, / and /boot are on a separate HDD.) |
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| 22:21.41 | nsadmin | Harzilein, I see, so you're still ranting as you were when you started here? Instead of complaining about what exists in debian, run something you want to run |
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| 22:23.20 | nsadmin | Morrolan, establish new array with additional devices such that BOTH ARRAYS are up. partition new array as you want. copy. |
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| 22:25.44 | crypticmofo | hey all .. ever since my install of debian booting to X my mouse just freezes .. reboot helps but that is it .. at this point im using the i3-wm and even then in a browser my mouse stops left clicking and i can't do anything .. any ideas ? |
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| 22:28.14 | Morrolan | nsadmin - As in "buy two additional HDs, set up software RAID there and copy it over"? That would be an, uh, expensive solution, given that I'd have no use for those additional HDDs afterwards. |
| 22:28.21 | Morrolan | If I missunderstood - apologies. ;) |
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| 22:28.54 | dondelelcaro | Morrolan: what type of raid is this? |
| 22:29.17 | dondelelcaro | Morrolan: it may be possible to switch to a degraded array, and set up a degraded software array, and copy the data, then migrate the remaining disk |
| 22:29.22 | nsadmin | you wanted a solution that would guarantee that you don't lose data... another is back up the array, then convert |
| 22:29.28 | dondelelcaro | Morrolan: but I'd back up everything before starting that |
| 22:30.18 | Morrolan | dondelelcaro - Right now it's a fake RAID (provided by the mainboard controller), and I've considered changing it to an OS-provided RAID. |
| 22:30.45 | Morrolan | nsadmin - True, given what I've asked for your solution was correct, I guess. ;) |
| 22:31.49 | nsadmin | you didn't say cheap :) |
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| 22:32.36 | Morrolan | I suppose the easiest solution would just be to copy all the data over to a spare HDD, then create a software RAID, and copy it back. |
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| 22:39.31 | crypticmofo | any ideas on my mouse issue ? |
| 22:39.48 | crypticmofo | the issue started as soon as i was done with my install and booted to gnome .. i thought installing a new wm would fix it but it dosen't |
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| 22:40.20 | th1_laptop | I've got xfce4 desktop on Wheezy and when I start terminal it doesn't execute my .bash_profile .. how can I fix it? |
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| 22:44.46 | jordanm | th1_laptop: .bash_profile is sourced on login. if you want something executed each time an interactive shell starts, use .bashrc |
| 22:46.16 | th1_laptop | I found it |
| 22:46.25 | th1_laptop | it was "Run command as login shell" in xfce4-terminal options |
| 22:46.38 | jordanm | that's not really the correct solution, but w/e |
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| 22:46.54 | th1_laptop | jordanm, how is it not the correct solution? |
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| 22:47.04 | th1_laptop | it's the same way any other terminal does it in other WM |
| 22:47.37 | jordanm | th1_laptop: you put things you want sourced once on login in .bash_profile. you put things you want source for every interactive shell .bashrc |
| 22:47.42 | jordanm | th1_laptop: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
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| 22:49.00 | th1_laptop | jordanm, like I set my PATH to include $HOME/bin |
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| 22:49.22 | th1_laptop | why should I not do this in .profile like I've alwasy done? |
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| 22:50.40 | imMute | when making dpkg packages; two packages that contain the same file (say /etc/foo) can't be installed at the same time, is that a hard requirement, or is there a way to let one package "override" the files from another? |
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| 22:53.32 | somiaj | imMute: dpkg keeps tracks of which file is owned by which package and won't install a conflicting package. Have you read the debian new matianers guide. I talks about this |
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| 22:54.16 | imMute | somiaj: well I'm not using debian, I just thought I'd ask here because I don't know of a dpkg-specific channel. |
| 22:54.24 | rick_ | I'm intending on watching some porn with a flash player soon. What should I consider removing from my computer to ensure that nobody finds out? |
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| 22:54.50 | Walex2 | rick_: it can get pretty complicated |
| 22:54.52 | rick_ | I am in Chrome in cognito mode btw. |
| 22:54.55 | somiaj | imMute: what distro are you using? Ask their support. |
| 22:55.01 | rick_ | And I know that isn't a cure all. |
| 22:55.06 | Walex2 | rick_: best option is run it in an encrypted VM |
| 22:55.16 | rick_ | Walex2: Wow |
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| 22:55.32 | rick_ | Walex2: Oh! I've got live cds around |
| 22:55.40 | rick_ | Walex2: That would be a good option too, wouldn't it? |
| 22:55.47 | Walex2 | rick_: live CD is a good option. |
| 22:55.56 | rick_ | Walex2: Awesome, thanks. |
| 22:55.59 | Shoya | what to do on Debian.... |
| 22:56.16 | imMute | somiaj: suffice it to say I'm adding dpkg packaging to LFS. :) |
| 22:56.36 | imMute | somiaj: and I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle this issue |
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| 22:56.59 | simonlnu | imMute: for a conffile, they should be unique |
| 22:57.01 | nsadmin | Shoya, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 22:57.42 | simonlnu | imMute: for other stuff, you either rename it, or you use dpkg-statoverride |
| 22:57.46 | somiaj | imMute: build packages that don't conflict, or build a custom dpkg to deal with that issue. Eitehr way if it isn't for debian it isn't a #debian support question. If you want to know the standards of what debian expectes from packages read the debian new matainers guide |
| 22:58.09 | imMute | somiaj: true, well thanks anyway. |
| 22:58.10 | simonlnu | imMute: otherwise, consult debian policy |
| 22:58.13 | simonlnu | !nmg |
| 22:58.13 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 23:01.18 | Shoya | to be honest, i have no idea what to do in Debian...man a to-do list would be good now... |
| 23:02.06 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? with your computer that is |
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| 23:02.32 | nsadmin | what had you want to get a computer? |
| 23:03.44 | Shoya | umm... |
| 23:03.50 | Shoya | i really don't know |
| 23:03.51 | Shoya | i mean |
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| 23:04.05 | Shoya | i'm using Debian on Vbox |
| 23:04.09 | Shoya | VBox* |
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| 23:04.49 | Shoya | to be honest, i want to do some random stuff, but i don't know exactly what to do |
| 23:04.54 | nsadmin | what are you using it for? |
| 23:05.12 | RichardRaseley | Shoya: Are you running virtualbox within windows? |
| 23:05.13 | ska | Somehow I ruined my initrd on the running system. Its still running. Will update-initrd fix this? |
| 23:05.33 | ska | sry.. update-initramfs |
| 23:05.49 | Shoya | yes |
| 23:06.10 | RichardRaseley | Shoya: So, do what you do in windows. Open a web browser, check your email. Watch cat videos. |
| 23:06.16 | Shoya | well |
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| 23:06.36 | Shoya | it's just that i can do all that in windows |
| 23:06.41 | Shoya | GOD I CAN'T DO ANYTHING |
| 23:06.53 | Shoya | fuck it, i'll go learn commands |
| 23:06.55 | RichardRaseley | Shoya: So, then why did you install Debian? |
| 23:07.02 | Shoya | i have no idea |
| 23:07.08 | Shoya | i wanted to "try" linux |
| 23:07.20 | nsadmin | one thing you recently said... is "i'm using Debian on Vbox" so that implies "i'm using Debian",,, whatcha using it for? |
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| 23:07.24 | RichardRaseley | Shoya: Then try it. Take whatever you do in Windows and do it in Linux |
| 23:07.27 | nsadmin | ok |
| 23:07.45 | Shoya | all i'm guessing is i...oh |
| 23:07.46 | Shoya | right |
| 23:07.50 | Shoya | almost forgot about something |
| 23:07.55 | RichardRaseley | Shoya: If it is just an exercise, then do just that - exercise. |
| 23:08.20 | Shoya | 4g8 |
| 23:08.27 | Shoya | that's a sniffer right? |
| 23:08.50 | RichardRaseley | Yeah, packet sniffer. |
| 23:09.12 | Shoya | i remembered why i wanted to get linux |
| 23:09.20 | Shoya | it was to sniff out p/ws |
| 23:09.26 | Shoya | ehehehehe |
| 23:09.33 | RichardRaseley | Meh, you can do the same thing in Windows. |
| 23:10.05 | Shoya | well |
| 23:10.08 | Shoya | i couldn't |
| 23:10.09 | Shoya | ok? |
| 23:10.18 | Shoya | and it says that with linux is better |
| 23:10.18 | RichardRaseley | No, not OK. |
| 23:10.40 | Shoya | and faster |
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| 23:11.28 | RichardRaseley | Based on the vibes I am getting I would say that "better" and "faster" are the least of your concerns. I am going to stop responding now. |
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| 23:11.53 | Shoya | ... |
| 23:11.56 | Shoya | oh well |
| 23:12.07 | Shoya | goes to catch butterflies |
| 23:12.19 | nsadmin | Shoya, good idea, oxygen. |
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| 23:12.55 | nsadmin | getting outside at least twice a year is good for you |
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| 23:14.35 | erann | went outside today, got flu. |
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| 23:16.18 | nsadmin | shoya, seriously... outside is good for you... and, thanks for being honest |
| 23:17.31 | rizlah | lolol |
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| 23:17.49 | rizlah | There's a whole world outside |
| 23:18.03 | rizlah | Can you believe it? |
| 23:19.18 | Shoya | nsh |
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| 23:19.22 | Shoya | nah* |
| 23:19.27 | Shoya | the world outside is a lie |
| 23:19.35 | Shoya | we all live in a web of lies |
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| 23:19.54 | LemLap | eh, world outside involves the hackerspace for me |
| 23:19.55 | rizlah | But they told me the earth was round... |
| 23:19.59 | rizlah | Was that lies? |
| 23:20.10 | LemLap | and considering the awesome stuff we have there, I gladly leave the house on a regular basis |
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| 23:20.20 | LemLap | we just got a 1.9 tonne lathe the other day |
| 23:20.24 | LemLap | it's AWESOME |
| 23:21.14 | nsadmin | speak for youself I live in a yellow submarine |
| 23:21.38 | ska | Any way to check if my initrd is correct? |
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| 23:22.13 | rizlah | Lathe? |
| 23:22.16 | rizlah | For what? |
| 23:22.24 | nsadmin | cuttin |
| 23:22.26 | rizlah | ska: TIAS? |
| 23:22.33 | rizlah | nsadmin: Make a gun barrel |
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| 23:22.41 | LemLap | rizlah, metal lathe, for making things |
| 23:22.49 | rizlah | LemLap: Make a gun barrel |
| 23:22.58 | LemLap | heh, already on the cards :-P |
| 23:23.03 | ska | rizlah: sounds risky.. Will update-grub remake initrd? |
| 23:23.09 | LemLap | well, a rifled PVC barrel for my spud cannon |
| 23:23.27 | rizlah | LemLap: Try an AK barrel, seems simple enough |
| 23:23.30 | simonlnu | ska: no. update-initramfs |
| 23:23.34 | nsadmin | ska, the purpose of an initrd is to mount root outside of the presence of any mounted partitions or modules |
| 23:23.36 | LemLap | I'll pass |
| 23:23.38 | rizlah | disclaimer: Don't, IANAL |
| 23:23.49 | ska | simonlnu: thanks.. Do I need to pass params to it? |
| 23:23.51 | LemLap | automatic weapons are kinda frowned upon here |
| 23:23.55 | simonlnu | ska: yes |
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| 23:24.03 | LemLap | heck even semi-auto weapons are nigh fricking impossible to own here |
| 23:24.11 | rizlah | LemLap: Where? |
| 23:24.16 | nsadmin | ska, and the purpose of that... is to have your installation bootable. |
| 23:24.19 | LemLap | Australia |
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| 23:24.23 | LemLap | Brisbane to be precised |
| 23:24.25 | nsadmin | ska, so, question... can you boot? |
| 23:24.25 | LemLap | -d |
| 23:24.26 | rizlah | Ah ok |
| 23:24.30 | LemLap | our weapons laws are fucked |
| 23:24.32 | LemLap | utterly fucked |
| 23:24.37 | LemLap | bb guns are illegal ffs |
| 23:24.39 | rizlah | ikr |
| 23:24.45 | rizlah | Guns are bad, bad people use guns. |
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| 23:24.46 | iToast | hey |
| 23:24.52 | rizlah | Don't do that Lem, don't be bad. |
| 23:24.56 | ska | simonlnu: thanks.. |
| 23:25.02 | iToast | when I install mysql and php5, does it install pdo_mysql automatically? |
| 23:25.12 | simonlnu | iToast: no |
| 23:25.17 | iToast | simonlnu, how do I get htem |
| 23:25.30 | simonlnu | you install it |
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| 23:25.43 | iToast | simonlnu, how... |
| 23:25.44 | simonlnu | like with the rest of it |
| 23:25.47 | rizlah | Hypothetically, how much would a good metal lathe set one back? |
| 23:25.52 | simonlnu | same exact way |
| 23:25.58 | LemLap | rizlah, yeah, I'm so bad I filled out 40 pages of paperwork to import a single shot rifle for target shooting, then got denied because it was "of military appearance" |
| 23:25.58 | simonlnu | !tell iToast -about search |
| 23:25.58 | iToast | simonlnu, are you going to provide a usefull answer? |
| 23:26.00 | LemLap | I shit you not |
| 23:26.03 | rizlah | I know metal is bad b/c it makes guns, but theoretically speaking |
| 23:26.06 | LemLap | the rules here are retarded |
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| 23:26.20 | simonlnu | iToast: if by useful answer you mean handhold you, no, i won't |
| 23:26.34 | iToast | simonlnu, you could point me in the right direction |
| 23:26.39 | LemLap | no legal reason I can't own the gun if it's already in the country, but becase some customs dweeb decided it looks like a miltary gun I can't import it |
| 23:27.00 | simonlnu | iToast: search for the package, install it via apt-get/aptitude. can't be more simple |
| 23:27.01 | rizlah | I vant very much AK-74 from mozer russia |
| 23:27.01 | LemLap | cost me $400 to apply, and I don't get that money back |
| 23:27.14 | LemLap | AMP TS DSR-1 |
| 23:27.18 | rizlah | Yeah apparently a gun that looks like an assault rifle is bad |
| 23:27.21 | LemLap | .308 bullpup rifle |
| 23:27.21 | simonlnu | rizlah: LemLap: take it to ot please, thanks |
| 23:27.28 | LemLap | sorry |
| 23:27.30 | LemLap | just ranting |
| 23:27.41 | Shoya | ot? |
| 23:27.46 | LemLap | off topic |
| 23:27.47 | rizlah | OFF TOPIC |
| 23:27.53 | simonlnu | #debian-offtopic |
| 23:27.55 | rizlah | MFW people come here without knowing the rules |
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| 23:28.01 | rizlah | simonlnu: Tell him the rules bro |
| 23:28.17 | rizlah | /hurr |
| 23:28.37 | LemLap | eh, it's ok |
| 23:28.44 | LemLap | I can understand the reason for them being there |
| 23:28.58 | rizlah | LemLap: But you know the rules in UK are worse? |
| 23:29.00 | rizlah | Olympic shooters are banned in their own country |
| 23:29.09 | LemLap | wtf? |
| 23:29.12 | rizlah | Guns are bad, which means by extension metal is bad |
| 23:29.19 | nsadmin | rules? where? don't get me started |
| 23:29.19 | Harzilein | LemLap: i could make a shot (hehe) at imagining what their reason might have been: if it looks military, someone might think you actually have some privilege from the state to use force (apart from self defense). so he might think he's fucked if you shoot him in the guts and he survives and tries to sue you. while otherwise he'd feel safe because he could sue you and you'd know that ;) |
| 23:29.42 | rizlah | Harzilein: In AUS self defence is bad |
| 23:29.42 | simonlnu | guys, seriously, tke it to OT |
| 23:29.57 | rizlah | Much like the UK, if you get attacked and you fight back you can be sued/imprisioned |
| 23:30.06 | nkuttler | !ops intervention please |
| 23:30.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: intervention please |
| 23:30.14 | rizlah | nkuttler: lololol |
| 23:30.36 | rizlah | This will be the 10th time I'm banned here in last 3 days |
| 23:30.40 | rizlah | Why so strict? |
| 23:30.57 | simonlnu | rizlah: maybe you should pay attention when someone asks you something? |
| 23:30.59 | nsadmin | why were you banned the first 9 times |
| 23:31.00 | LemLap | rizlah, rules are there for a reason, and IRC is not a democracy |
| 23:31.22 | LemLap | I've joined #debian-offtopic, if you want to continue the conversation, let's do it in there |
| 23:31.29 | peterS | irc.freenode.net #debian is not only not a democracy, it is not a firearms politics forum |
| 23:31.39 | LemLap | nods |
| 23:31.55 | rizlah | nsadmin: OPs on power trips |
| 23:32.01 | dzup | just kick him again, get it on |
| 23:32.11 | SiDz | we need anonymous to restore back the democracy!! |
| 23:32.14 | simonlnu | if he was on a power trip, you'd already be banned |
| 23:32.15 | SiDz | ok sorry just kidding |
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| 23:32.39 | peterS | rizlah: enough with the 'poor me, they keep banning me because I can't seem to stay on topic' |
| 23:32.58 | rizlah | L. peterS I joke comrade |
| 23:33.04 | rizlah | I am now in offtopic |
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| 23:40.21 | woleium | lo peeps :-) |
| 23:40.49 | woleium | Does anyone know if this channel is logged anywhere? |
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| 23:41.15 | LemLap | woleium, I suggest you read the channel topic |
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| 23:42.14 | woleium | Oops :-$ thanks LemLap.. |
| 23:42.22 | LemLap | np |
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| 23:42.38 | LemLap | I had to check it myself first :-P |
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| 23:57.22 | nsadmin | probably the log of x starting up |
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