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| 00:07.56 | woshty | themill: now i tried to build dh-exec .. there are tests that expect some multiarch related stuff to be set .. i am starting to think that using wheezy and having them mail me the router if it is not working is less of an issue due to testing related updates one than rebuilding hostapd |
| 00:08.50 | themill | quite possibly. Remember that wheezy is frozen so you shouldn't get substantial changes to the system after you've installed it. But also remember that it doesn't have timely security support yet |
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| 00:10.47 | woshty | themill: i will cut my losses and reinstall then, thank you for your help anyhow :) |
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| 00:13.13 | themill | woshty: you don't need to reinstall to upgrade to wheezy |
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| 00:15.13 | woshty | themill: i need to reinstall to get rid off the mess i just made :) |
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| 00:20.07 | ujjain | What can explain my PC limited to 100mbit? should be 1gbit. |
| 00:21.30 | dvs | ujjain: probably what your computer network is plugged into |
| 00:21.42 | woshty | ujjain: how do you determine it is 100MBit? |
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| 00:21.57 | asd123 | kfo staa h4x0ri |
| 00:21.57 | asd123 | :d |
| 00:22.30 | asd123 | sup h4x0rs |
| 00:22.39 | asd123 | who wanna try to hack me |
| 00:22.40 | asd123 | ;P |
| 00:22.43 | ujjain | woshty, Samba. |
| 00:22.50 | ujjain | dvs, hmm, it might be the UTP cable. |
| 00:22.55 | ujjain | woshty, and ethtool |
| 00:23.16 | dvs | You need a CAT 6 for a reliable 1Gbps connection |
| 00:23.26 | woshty | 5e works fine usually |
| 00:23.27 | ujjain | another utp cable, works now |
| 00:23.49 | ujjain | much faster now, still not that fast |
| 00:23.54 | ujjain | but 30MB/sec |
| 00:24.04 | ujjain | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.38 | ujjain | old cable, utp cat 5e |
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| 00:25.00 | woshty | ujjain: samba isnt that fast .. you should set buffers |
| 00:25.14 | ujjain | ah ok, well, it was faster on a similar before with same config before |
| 00:25.15 | asd123 | how can install debian guys |
| 00:25.18 | ujjain | but I will look into buffers |
| 00:26.10 | woshty | ujjain: i use socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_RCVBUF=16384 SO_SNDBUF=65536 for large files on another machine |
| 00:26.22 | ujjain | thanks a lot! :) |
| 00:26.42 | woshty | ujjain: no clue why, but that worked best |
| 00:26.54 | ujjain | woshty, I will check it out and do benchmarks for sure, thanks a lot! |
| 00:27.59 | asd123 | guys tell me how to install debian |
| 00:28.00 | asd123 | :p |
| 00:28.03 | asd123 | pleaseee |
| 00:28.25 | themill | asd123: first hit on google... |
| 00:28.40 | asd123 | what i need to type |
| 00:28.43 | asd123 | i cant find it |
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| 00:29.26 | woshty | asd123: install debian |
| 00:29.30 | asd123 | hmm |
| 00:29.32 | asd123 | let me try |
| 00:29.33 | asd123 | :D |
| 00:29.34 | somiaj | asd123: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual -- pick your arch/language and start reading |
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| 00:30.01 | asd123 | what is arch? |
| 00:30.12 | somiaj | pick i386 (or amd64) for most pc's |
| 00:30.15 | themill | asd123: have you looked at the page? |
| 00:30.16 | somiaj | it is basically your cpu |
| 00:30.24 | asd123 | yep |
| 00:30.28 | asd123 | my cpu is intel |
| 00:30.35 | asd123 | what need to choose |
| 00:30.43 | somiaj | 16:30 < somiaj> pick i386 (or amd64) for most pc's |
| 00:31.22 | asd123 | awww its so compl. |
| 00:31.49 | somiaj | pick i386 -- pick engish -- start reading |
| 00:31.57 | somiaj | it isn't complicated, it is just giving you choice |
| 00:33.18 | asd123 | why debian is better than windows? |
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| 00:33.41 | woshty | themill: my cleanup worked surprisingly well .. is there an easy way to purge all removed packages? |
| 00:33.54 | themill | woshty: aptitude purge ~c |
| 00:34.22 | woshty | themill: and thx again |
| 00:36.40 | asd123 | debian is better than windows? |
| 00:37.09 | mmnicolas | asd123: nope, Windows is wayyy better |
| 00:37.27 | asd123 | most ppls say win is better but |
| 00:37.36 | asd123 | some say debian is better |
| 00:37.37 | asd123 | so? |
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| 00:38.53 | sevenfourk | guys, get smarter. |
| 00:39.05 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:39.08 | woshty | themill: i am a few megs over what i started with .. anything special about distupgrade i should be aware of? |
| 00:40.02 | mmnicolas | woshty: A prayer just before pressing enter seems appropriate |
| 00:40.04 | mmnicolas | just in case |
| 00:40.07 | woshty | asd123: you should go with windows8 for best touch screen performance on pc platform |
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| 00:40.40 | woshty | mmnicolas: i have been praying all evening .. and i just got worse ;) |
| 00:42.29 | woshty | it .. i am fine |
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| 00:45.46 | Guest36861 | I want to download a huge ammount of data from an FTP server, however I do not know how can I check the size of the folders. As I want to know how much hard disk I need. any applications for that? |
| 00:46.26 | themill | Guest36861: du to look at size of directory trees, df to see how much space you've got |
| 00:46.50 | mmnicolas | Guest36861: your folders or the remote folders ? |
| 00:46.59 | Guest36861 | themill: it is a remote ftp server, what do I need to do |
| 00:47.00 | DarKMode | Guest36861 use lftp cuz it suppot du |
| 00:47.11 | mmnicolas | Guest36861: probably just need a better ftp client |
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| 00:47.33 | mmnicolas | DarKMode: really ? cuz ? |
| 00:47.45 | Guest36861 | any sugestion for a good ftp client ? |
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| 00:48.06 | woshty | Guest36861: ^^ |
| 00:48.23 | DarKMode | Guest36861 you love the mirror command if you need to capy the hwhole directory |
| 00:48.42 | mmnicolas | Guest36861: I'd bet on ncftp, even if I havent used FTP altogether in years |
| 00:48.43 | DarKMode | Guest36861 try lftp |
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| 00:50.23 | Guest36861 | yes I want to download human genome plenty of terabytes |
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| 00:52.07 | mmnicolas | er... human genome is a few petabytes IIRC |
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| 00:52.16 | Guest36861 | I need to learn CLI for lftp, any GUI based ? |
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| 00:54.10 | nsadmin | Guest36861, start with your shell |
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| 00:54.13 | damacus | Guest36861: filezilla |
| 00:54.56 | GoonSquad | Hello |
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| 00:57.48 | sary | Salutations1 |
| 00:57.52 | sary | *! |
| 00:58.25 | Guest36861 | I need to know the content size of this ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/ |
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| 00:59.49 | Guest36861 | can anyone check it for me |
| 01:00.37 | sary | in wheezy , i am on the need of libechonest new version 2.0.1-1 , which is available in experimental approach for getting the package in Wheey! |
| 01:01.47 | sary | Guest36861: which file/s on that dir .. |
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| 01:02.47 | Guest36861 | sary: I want to know what is the size of all - and also data, pilot data and phase1 |
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| 01:03.31 | LtL | Guest36861: ftp into the site, i have |
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| 01:03.56 | sary | Guest36861: use w3m ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/ |
| 01:05.23 | sary | Guest36861: i would say it's all around 89MB or something close! |
| 01:06.24 | Guest36861 | saty TB |
| 01:06.29 | Guest36861 | sary |
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| 01:10.43 | sary | Guest36861: right , it could go to reach a TB! , it's hard to do a quick calculat!, and so .. as i mentioned , try to browse the link with w3m , and calculate them .. sudo apt-get install w3m |
| 01:10.58 | sary | then , w3m ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/ |
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| 01:12.05 | sary | Guest36861: that will show you th actual sie of each file/dir's . |
| 01:12.14 | sary | *size. |
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| 01:13.55 | sary | could anyone point me to the right approach to get an experimental package in wheezy! |
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| 01:14.07 | themill | dpkg: tell sary about experimental |
| 01:14.29 | themill | sary: there's no guarantee that a package in experimental is anything more than "broken" and certainly no guarantee that it will work in wheezy |
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| 01:14.52 | sary | themill: Hello :-) |
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| 01:16.03 | Guest36861 | sary: I think usually the dependencies may pull (need) to be from experimental too - so of course you can dowload the package and try dpkg --install whatever.deb or you could temporarily enable experimental in repository install your stuff = go back to whatever you are using - and pin them, but this is for sure not a production or good practice, is just for fun :) |
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| 01:17.15 | Guest36861 | oh - by the way w3m ftp gig does not work, it is the same as others |
| 01:17.55 | sary | well , if anything .. i was Compiling Tomahawk , and cmake was complaining about missing lib/package which is libechonest , in th need of the newer version . |
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| 01:20.56 | sary | Guest36861: it does work here, check it http://imgur.com/LhCi7 |
| 01:21.35 | roboman2444 | i cant get EITHER glc or yukon to work in debian |
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| 01:26.28 | mmnicolas | sary: not for folders, this is like a typical ls |
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| 01:33.31 | KsM | is there and apt-* command that tells you why a package was installed? |
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| 01:34.10 | z01d | good question |
| 01:34.59 | somiaj | KsM: why not use aptitude why <package-name> |
| 01:35.07 | somiaj | aptitude just has better search capabilities than apt-foo |
| 01:35.34 | KsM | $aptitude why apache2 |
| 01:35.34 | KsM | i gitweb Depends apache2 | httpd | lynx-cur |
| 01:35.39 | sary | KsM: the only thins i know , is with apt-cache depends PackageName |
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| 01:36.11 | somiaj | KsM: so looks like apache2 was the default thing to be installed, but you just need some httpd web server |
| 01:36.32 | KsM | Well, I don't know why, it's a laptop |
| 01:37.01 | themill | KsM: that shows you *one* reason why a package was installed. There may be others or it may be that the package was originally installed for other reasons but that's now a reason to keep it installed. |
| 01:37.07 | KsM | apparently git installed gitweb (via suggest) installed apache2, so |
| 01:37.23 | themill | no, suggests are not installed unless you ask for them explicitly |
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| 01:37.36 | sary | mmnicolas: h/she " Guest36861 .. was looking for a way to know the actual file/dir's in ftp://ftp-trace.ncbi.nih.gov/1000genomes/ftp/ |
| 01:38.12 | somiaj | KsM: for some reason you isntall gitweb -- why did you install that package |
| 01:39.19 | sary | mmnicolas: and so , as such within w3m am able to go into each dir and see the actual size. |
| 01:40.02 | sary | Guest36861: still ,am not quite sure why arn't able to s/ftp to it! |
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| 01:42.58 | Guest36861 | sary: I can go into the ftp location, I can't see the size of the folders, |
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| 01:48.45 | sary | Guest36861: which FTP client you've tried with , i just FTP to it and there is a filesize tab on top of each directory. |
| 01:49.23 | sary | ^ with FileZilla , |
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| 01:53.36 | sary | What might this be about! http://pastebin.com/sRzWQSBE |
| 01:54.02 | themill | dpkg: tell sary about which http.debian.net |
| 01:54.11 | themill | sary: can you tell us which mirror you're actually using there? |
| 01:56.56 | sary | themill: sure thing .. |
| 01:57.34 | n2diy | I'm using the Hamster time tracking applet, and it works fine with a fresh install, but when I transfer my datafile from my backup box, the preferences drop down menu doesn't work. If I run the app from the command line, I see python errors are being thrown. Should I file a bug report, or troublshoot it here? |
| 01:58.45 | Guest36861 | sary: I am looking with filezila right now see any size for directories - I can see for files |
| 01:59.16 | sary | themill: the Main server , and http://pastebin.com/atzn33Ja |
| 02:00.07 | themill | sary: that's not the information I asked for... and you shouldn't be mixing distributions like that |
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| 02:02.37 | sary | themill: so you were referring to use a cdn mirror! |
| 02:03.05 | sary | i haven't set any mirror. |
| 02:03.13 | themill | I hoped to see the output of the command dpkg gave you. And since this is a transient problem, you need to get on with it |
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| 02:07.05 | sary | themill: sure , http://pastebin.com/2GXzubAS |
| 02:07.20 | themill | ... |
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| 02:07.26 | safridzal | #flood |
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| 02:07.48 | themill | sary: that's not the command dpkg gave you |
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| 02:08.07 | themill | and seriously... look at the output and think whether that's useful |
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| 02:11.36 | sary | themill: you meant as follow .. http://pastebin.com/V8M6eWpb |
| 02:13.27 | themill | sary: do you know the administrators of the debian.co.il mirror by any chance? They're using an out-of-date version of the ftpsync mirroring software which causes this problem |
| 02:13.55 | sary | themill: No , not at all. |
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| 02:16.17 | sary | So , which protocol type is better to set for the download archive .. ftp, or http , or no such thing as better in this case! |
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| 02:35.06 | sary | themill: i stil see th error , even from synaptic! |
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| 02:35.39 | themill | sary: sure. the mirror you are using is using an old version of the sync script |
| 02:36.43 | sary | so , i should select and set a different mirror then! |
| 02:36.59 | themill | or just wait for a while |
| 02:37.21 | sary | Alright. |
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| 02:37.55 | n2diy | a webpage is telling me I should upgrade to the latest Firefox version, I'm using the default Iceape browser? |
| 02:38.10 | sary | what i don't understand is , where is that mirror set as here in my machine! |
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| 02:38.37 | themill | sary: in your sources.list |
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| 02:38.58 | sary | n2diy: a website! , that's tricky/trap .. |
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| 02:39.56 | sary | themill: alright , thanks .. i'll wait a while as you seem working on it , if it takes long i'll set a mirror. |
| 02:39.59 | n2diy | sary, this is linux, a website can't hurt me. |
| 02:40.22 | themill | sary: itym "set a different mirror" |
| 02:40.37 | sary | n2diy: :) |
| 02:40.49 | sary | themill: okay. |
| 02:43.05 | n2diy | ! iceape |
| 02:43.06 | dpkg | The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Application Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 02:43.32 | LtL | n2diy: you really need a better browser. |
| 02:44.09 | n2diy | LtL, anything wrong with Firefox, been using it forever? |
| 02:44.24 | LtL | n2diy: no, if you have it. |
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| 02:45.01 | n2diy | LtL, well, it's only a click away in synaptic. |
| 02:45.25 | LtL | n2diy: firefox in synaptic? |
| 02:45.54 | somiaj | sounds like he isn't using debian...also I suggest you dont' use synaptic, it dosen't play well with others |
| 02:46.14 | LtL | n2diy: you must have a unique sources.list |
| 02:46.35 | n2diy | LtL, I'll be damned, no, it isn't in synaptic! |
| 02:46.52 | LtL | n2diy: go figure ;) |
| 02:47.35 | LtL | n2diy: go here, http://mozilla.debian.net/ choose the 'release' version, follow instructions to the letter. |
| 02:47.42 | n2diy | LtL, I'm making the transition from Xubuntu, so... any suggestions for a browser? |
| 02:47.54 | LtL | n2diy: i just did. |
| 02:48.18 | n2diy | LtL, I was typing, ok, thanks. |
| 02:48.33 | LtL | n2diy: you're welcome |
| 02:49.15 | n2diy | LtL, I already have Iceweasel installed, so I'm good to go? |
| 02:49.34 | LtL | n2diy: look at your version |
| 02:49.47 | somiaj | iceweasel is firefox, if you don't like the version you can use mozilla.debian.net to get a newer one |
| 02:49.54 | n2diy | LtL, ok, |
| 02:50.33 | LtL | n2diy: 16.0.2 is at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 02:51.12 | n2diy | LtL, wow, the ver. here is 3.xx |
| 02:51.16 | nachos | hey, with ssh, i try ssh then launch screen as the first command but it doesn't work, complains im not on a terminal. |
| 02:51.48 | ectospasm | nachos: how are you launching screen? |
| 02:52.40 | rcbarnes | I would like to log every disk write (and preferably also read) that my system performs, noting the filename accessed, the requesting process, I/O size, and timestamp. I am perfectly willing to tolerate enormous slowdowns of I/O and general performance during the logging, even on the order of 1/10 throughput rates. I have 16 GB, so I should comfortably be able to log to RAM either within a process or to a file on a RAM tmpfs even if I flush |
| 02:53.03 | somiaj | nachos: you don't have to completely login to a terminal when running a command via ssh, so make sure you actually login so you get a terminal |
| 02:53.22 | rcbarnes | I have no idea where to look for the appropriate logging software. I tried everything I came across in apt repos, but none was anywhere this granular. |
| 02:55.21 | somiaj | rcbarnes: have you looked at iostat as a starter? (though it more looks at speeds not specifics) |
| 02:55.36 | rcbarnes | So does my goal require something (relatively) exotic like kernel patches/obscure modules in order to get that level of detail? Or am I just looking in the wrong places for something simply root access can accomplish? |
| 02:55.42 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: see blktrace for starters |
| 02:56.10 | rcbarnes | somiaj: I looked at it. It lacked the granularity in several respects. |
| 02:56.20 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: blktrace you say? |
| 02:56.23 | rcbarnes | Googling now. |
| 02:56.51 | dondelelcaro | it may not give you exactly what you want, but that or systemtap is probably on the road to the right way |
| 02:57.15 | dondelelcaro | of course, since I don't know what you're actually trying to do, it's a bit hard to say |
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| 02:58.15 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: Basically, I want to identify every process that's writing to disk and get a list of all the file targets they have accessed. |
| 02:59.46 | rcbarnes | My goal is to track down (a) annoying, frequent I/O flushes that my array performs loudly, and (b) try to remove as much writing as possible to RAM filesystems in preperation for a possible switch to SSDs. |
| 02:59.49 | mmnicolas | I have an old wordpress xml export of all my old posts, any suggestions as to how to strip all xml tags to end up with pure text ? |
| 03:00.19 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: I'd honestly start with iotop |
| 03:00.23 | rcbarnes | mmnicolas: Can you pump it through elinks? |
| 03:00.35 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: while it's not as fine-grained as what you're looking for, it's much easier to use |
| 03:01.02 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: you can also track down the open files once you've identified which processes are doing io with lsof |
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| 03:01.59 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: Can I depend on it to identify all instances of filesystem I/O across my processes? |
| 03:02.23 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: for the most part, yes. |
| 03:02.26 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: That is, will I get a list of every process that did I/O, or will some slip through. |
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| 03:02.46 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: any process which lasts long enough for it to be noticed by iotop |
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| 03:03.44 | rcbarnes | I think my periodic flush is something that writing on the order of a couple dozen to hundred bytes and which then gets flushed during a fs sync timeout. |
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| 03:04.23 | dondelelcaro | is this some sort of effort to avoid drives spinning up? |
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| 03:06.16 | rcbarnes | Well, it's an 8-drive RAID-6 array, all fairly loud traditional HDDs. with parity and striping, the flush is remarkably annoying for a guy who's nickname is "dog ears" (because I have enormously better hearing than all my friends). |
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| 03:06.49 | waynr | howdy folks |
| 03:06.50 | mmnicolas | rcbarnes: yea but it's the same things, I get the xml tree because there's no css to neatly display it |
| 03:07.10 | rcbarnes | (e.g. I can tell how many machines are running in the basement laundry room and what cycle they're on from my 2nd-story apt.) |
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| 03:07.49 | rcbarnes | mmnicolas: You need to do semi-custom processing to make sense of the XML, then? |
| 03:09.58 | mmnicolas | yea.. I kind of figured a way to do it with awk |
| 03:10.37 | rcbarnes | mmnicolas: I'm afraid I am no use to you. My only attempts at CLI XML manipulation have been unbelievable time sinks, thanks to perfect inability to do anything with XML starlet within even a few orders of magnitude of the time using regexen (sed, largely) would have taken. |
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| 03:11.31 | mmnicolas | I can manage with that, I thought maybe there was some magic tool, I heard about beautifulsoup but doing it manually looks painless compared to learning python and how to use that tool |
| 03:11.48 | rcbarnes | mmnicolas: My only advice is if you don't already have a mastery of xml starlet, don't use it---I swear it's the worst experience I've had on the command line. |
| 03:13.03 | themill | I suspect that's almost as much to do with xpath as with xmlstarlet's interface |
| 03:13.20 | mmnicolas | I just want user-generated content in clear text |
| 03:13.24 | rcbarnes | But depending on the complexity, you may just want to open everything up in a concantinated file inside vim. You can experiement with transoformations and undo/tweak them easily, plus there are lots of good automation elements to vim for catching corner-cases. |
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| 03:14.51 | rcbarnes | themill: I think you're right. I'm astonishied how *horrific* working with xpath is, relative to the seemingly trivial purpose it has. |
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| 03:15.33 | rcbarnes | Perhaps it's doing some highly non-trivial things that can be powerful, but it does them at the expense of all the simple, common cases. Ugh. |
| 03:15.36 | codygman | Hi, I have a broken package and it's breaking my aptitude. The error is: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1' with different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1', not allowed |
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| 03:17.05 | somiaj | codygman: what version of debian? Are you mixing things? |
| 03:17.07 | minsa | I rebooted my "testing" and my fluxbox was was really slow if I try to move any window. |
| 03:17.27 | minsa | it is taking forever to move slowly. |
| 03:18.04 | codygman | somiaj: Debian squeeze... vanilla. I don't believe things have been mixed.. actually debian multimedia is in the repo list. |
| 03:18.05 | minsa | any pointer is is appreciated. |
| 03:18.28 | codygman | minsa: Sometimes when I use my gaming mouse on high DPI fluxbox lags for me. |
| 03:19.02 | minsa | I am using ball mouse. |
| 03:19.17 | codygman | lol... well that's not it then :D |
| 03:19.18 | minsa | should I turn off DPI ? |
| 03:19.26 | mmnicolas | minsa: clean the ball |
| 03:19.31 | minsa | I have. |
| 03:19.32 | mmnicolas | clean the rollers |
| 03:19.35 | minsa | that's the first thing I did. |
| 03:19.55 | somiaj | codygman: you shouldn't be getting that issue in squeeze, which is why I asked. What does aptitude -f install suggest? |
| 03:20.58 | minsa | resizing is fine only moving the windows to position is taking a long time. |
| 03:21.13 | codygman | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/DKz83EPj |
| 03:21.24 | mmnicolas | minsa: maybe you lost hardware acceleration somehow, what does "glxinfo | grep direct" says |
| 03:21.42 | minsa | one sec. |
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| 03:22.50 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/UZXYfFRM |
| 03:23.00 | mmnicolas | codygman: move the file manually to libGL.so.1.bak |
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| 03:25.20 | codygman | mmnicolas: That worked for that one.. now have a different error.. Will post about it in a second if I can't figure it out. |
| 03:26.25 | somiaj | codygman: what is this package crayon-physics-deluxe? That seems to be y our issue and I don't see it in debian |
| 03:26.48 | codygman | somiaj: It is from the humble bundle... I had the other issue before trying to install that game. |
| 03:26.53 | mmnicolas | most likely something that installs it's own libGL |
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| 03:27.54 | somiaj | yea that is where your issue is, something not in debian...knew you were mixign thigns...(: |
| 03:28.04 | somiaj | was that package made for debian squeeze or ubuntu? |
| 03:28.10 | somiaj | (or some other .deb distro) |
| 03:28.43 | somiaj | you can try dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (see which package is claiming ownwership of that file) |
| 03:28.44 | codygman | somiaj: Yeah :/ Probably made for ubuntu... which is bad... I probably should have just compiled it myself huh? |
| 03:29.03 | codygman | somiaj: libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 03:29.29 | somiaj | hmm, that should work well with libgl1-altenatives-nvidia -- so not sure on the second issue |
| 03:29.38 | mmnicolas | codygman: or extract it's content and keep it contained in ~/, it's just a game after all |
| 03:29.40 | somiaj | but yea with unoffical packages you are kinda left int he support of the person who makes them |
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| 03:29.56 | minsa | mmnicolas, any pointer ? |
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| 03:30.14 | mmnicolas | minsa: sorry, missed that pastebin, holdon |
| 03:30.58 | mmnicolas | minsa: that's not the output of glxinfo | grep direct |
| 03:31.31 | codygman | Alright, sounds good to just keep in ~.. but for now aptitude is giving this error: http://pastebin.com/4bWp14Qu |
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| 03:32.31 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/3GnQ4GmG |
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| 03:32.39 | mmnicolas | codygman: aptitude purge crayon-physics-deluxe ? |
| 03:32.41 | minsa | mmnicolas, that's all I got. |
| 03:33.05 | mmnicolas | minsa: ah, then your hardware acceleration is broken |
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| 03:33.21 | minsa | I see.. |
| 03:33.23 | codygman | mmnicolas: "package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall before attempting a removal. |
| 03:33.26 | codygman | " |
| 03:33.55 | mmnicolas | codygman: do as suggested if you can, otherwise force it if possible |
| 03:34.07 | minsa | mmnicolas, should I reinstall the driver ? |
| 03:34.28 | mmnicolas | codygman: that's probably related to the libGL.so.1 in question |
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| 03:35.19 | mmnicolas | minsa: yea might help, figuring out what happened will be useful if it doesn't work |
| 03:35.30 | minsa | dmesg |grep glx ? |
| 03:35.43 | mmnicolas | minsa: feel free to paste some more logs, like dmesg and Xorg.0.log |
| 03:35.57 | minsa | ok.. will do that. |
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| 03:38.01 | mmnicolas | typically you'll have a mismatch between the Xorg driver and the kernel module due to an update without rebuilding the kernel module |
| 03:38.09 | mmnicolas | probably because you didn't use dkms or something |
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| 03:41.12 | minsa | mmnicolas: http://pastebin.com/aL2fmuiS |
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| 03:44.12 | mmnicolas | yep, see line 342 |
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| 03:45.09 | minsa | ok.. will try to recompile ATI |
| 03:45.20 | mmnicolas | should be fine by just rebuilding the fglrx kernel module, try fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 03:45.21 | codygman | A long time ago I tried installing nvidia graphics drivers on this laptop but I don't think I finished and things are broken. Here are the errors: http://dpaste.com/829506/ |
| 03:46.03 | minsa | said.. already the newest version. |
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| 03:46.44 | minsa | mmnicolas, how about fglrx-driver ? |
| 03:48.24 | mmnicolas | minsa: that's the xorg part |
| 03:48.25 | sney | minsa / mmnicolas - with packages that build modules such as fglrx-modules-dkms or nvidia-kernel-dkms, you can trigger it to (re)build the modules with: dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 03:49.06 | mmnicolas | I don't think it's installed in the first place |
| 03:49.30 | mmnicolas | otherwise it would have triggered by itself during the update |
| 03:49.54 | minsa | fglrx-modules-dkms is already the newest version. |
| 03:49.55 | sney | unless the kernel headers weren't installed |
| 03:49.58 | minsa | that's what I got. |
| 03:50.03 | mmnicolas | ah |
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| 03:50.13 | sney | it can't build the driver unless the headers are present |
| 03:50.26 | mmnicolas | minsa: then do as he says and see how it goes |
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| 03:50.36 | minsa | fglrx-source ? |
| 03:50.45 | mmnicolas | no, dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 03:52.09 | minsa | mmnicolas, sney, done. |
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| 03:52.27 | minsa | fglrxinfo still gives the same info. |
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| 03:53.22 | mmnicolas | minsa: you'll need to modprobe fglrx and restart your display manager (or reboot) to see any change |
| 03:53.43 | minsa | FATAL: No such device |
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| 03:54.10 | sney | that's a straightforward error. what gpu do you have, anyway |
| 03:54.21 | minsa | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/3.1.0-1-amd64/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko): No such device |
| 03:54.37 | minsa | radeo HD 3200 |
| 03:55.26 | sney | !fglrx |
| 03:55.26 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:55.32 | sney | no longer supported apparently |
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| 03:55.52 | sney | I'm not sure why there isn't a fglrx-legacy package like we have for nvidia |
| 03:56.13 | mmnicolas | but he's saying it worked fine before a reboot |
| 03:56.15 | sney | the fglrx and nvidia teams should sync up their organization and naming conventions |
| 03:56.22 | minsa | yes. it works fine before reboot. |
| 03:56.24 | sney | he was probably using radeon and didn't realize it |
| 03:56.46 | sney | radeon does work fine. it's not lightning fast, but it does all of your general hardware rendering tasks |
| 03:57.30 | mmnicolas | yea I just noticed the logs, pci probing fails, then tries what it calls the "old probe" and fails again |
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| 03:59.22 | minsa | mmnicolas, sney, what should I install ? |
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| 03:59.44 | mmnicolas | minsa: the free radeon driver |
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| 04:00.01 | sney | firmware-linux-nonfree, and make sure there is no file containing the line "blacklist radeon" in /etc/modprobe.d/, and give up on fglrx because it doesn't like your card anymore |
| 04:00.19 | minsa | too old, I guess. |
| 04:00.32 | sney | yep |
| 04:00.32 | mmnicolas | and from what I've heard, the free driver performs better in some area |
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| 04:00.38 | sney | well, |
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| 04:00.52 | sney | I wouldn't go that far. but it is pretty good for a free driver. |
| 04:01.03 | sney | AMD contributes to it which is part of why it's any good |
| 04:01.14 | mmnicolas | at least it's a smooth sailing from now on, it'll never break again |
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| 04:02.04 | minsa | free driver is xserver-xorg-video-radeon, non-free version is firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 04:02.26 | mmnicolas | minsa: no, free driver still requires non-free firmware |
| 04:02.41 | minsa | installing now. |
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| 04:04.55 | minsa | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:04.57 | minsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.49 | sney | you can remove that since you're not using fglrx |
| 04:06.43 | minsa | ok.. let me restart X |
| 04:07.41 | mmnicolas | but why.. |
| 04:08.12 | minsa | for the xorg radeon to take effect ? |
| 04:08.13 | mmnicolas | minsa: do you remember at all installing fglrx before that reboot ? |
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| 04:08.26 | minsa | mmnicolas, not at all |
| 04:08.39 | mmnicolas | would you ? |
| 04:09.02 | minsa | while I was installing xorg-..radeon, an error noting chrome cannot be opened as root came up. |
| 04:09.04 | mmnicolas | to your knowledge it was there before the last few reboots and everything was fine ? |
| 04:09.14 | minsa | yes. |
| 04:09.40 | mmnicolas | well, if that fixes your problem I'm still mystified |
| 04:10.04 | minsa | let me try it. |
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| 04:11.39 | nsadmin | if it supports your card you could try fglrx-driver from squeeze-backports |
| 04:11.49 | mmnicolas | apparently it just went unsupported right under your feet, at this specific update you made |
| 04:12.21 | mmnicolas | if 1:12-6~beta-1 is the same as 3a12-6+point-1 |
| 04:12.48 | nsadmin | you might want to go to #ati and get them to tell you which version of the driver you need; also let them know you run debian, they -might- be able to tell you how to get it in debian |
| 04:12.57 | nsadmin | no guarantees of that |
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| 04:14.02 | mmnicolas | I heard of some procedure here lately, forwardporting ? the opposite of backporting, or just use Squeeze while it lasts |
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| 04:22.11 | somiaj | mmnicolas: backporting is just a term that says compile the software for the distro/os you are running it on. So yea you can take older packages or newer packages and try to comiple them on your curret version |
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| 04:22.46 | mmnicolas | somiaj: nonono I'm sure they had a term for it :) forwardporting |
| 04:23.22 | somiaj | never heard that term, but I guess it is a rare case because many packages contain a >= dependency. I've installed etch packages on squeeze and they ran (but I don't suggest this) |
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| 04:25.29 | themill | sary: I prodded the admin of that mirror and he said he'd update their ftpsync script which should solve that problem for you in the long run |
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| 04:29.29 | mmnicolas | one script to join them all |
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| 04:36.06 | loulouxiv | Good evening everybody, could someone help me configuring the network in my debian install ? |
| 04:37.28 | loulouxiv | I tried everithing I could figure but it won't resolve the hostnames :/ |
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| 04:39.12 | minsa | sney, mmnicolas, it's all good now. |
| 04:39.29 | minsa | I removed fglrx from the config file and purge it. |
| 04:39.30 | nsadmin | loulouxiv, ping 98.138.253.109 |
| 04:39.31 | somiaj | loulouxiv: how about tell us what you have done and what you would prefer |
| 04:39.38 | minsa | and put in "radeon" instead. |
| 04:39.44 | somiaj | loulouxiv: are you using network-manager or are you using /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:40.26 | somiaj | loulouxiv: is it only DNS that isn't working (i.e. can you ping your ip, can you ping your gateway?) maybe try to ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:41.00 | nsadmin | loulouxiv, any results from either somiaj's ping or mine (which is yahoo)? |
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| 04:41.49 | loulouxiv | i'm installing Debian on a plugcomputer, but the network configuration failed so i'm now in the debug shell |
| 04:42.21 | loulouxiv | yeah everything work fine excepting DNS |
| 04:42.27 | somiaj | oh so dhcp failed...could be your network card requires non-free firmware (not on the default installer)? |
| 04:42.34 | loulouxiv | but /etc/hosts is'nt read either |
| 04:42.39 | somiaj | put a valid name server in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:43.05 | somiaj | loulouxiv: did the 'network configuration' fail during the install. personally I skip this part, complete the install and then fix my network |
| 04:43.12 | loulouxiv | dhcp won't work :D i'm connected via my laptop eth |
| 04:43.39 | nsadmin | loulouxiv, probably need specific answers, otherwise the conversation is not so useful |
| 04:43.49 | loulouxiv | ok so i try to install without network and the configure on the installed system ? |
| 04:43.52 | nsadmin | did either ping return ping replies? |
| 04:44.08 | minsa | sney, mmnicolas, thnx for all your help. |
| 04:44.18 | minsa | where can I read up more about this ? |
| 04:44.20 | minsa | !fglrx |
| 04:44.20 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:44.26 | nsadmin | yes, you can do that; I'd still like to know the answer to my question |
| 04:44.38 | somiaj | minsa: /msg dpkg flgrx (or any other factoid) if you just want the info for yourself |
| 04:44.38 | nsadmin | minsa: or, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 04:44.48 | loulouxiv | i could retrieve http://173.194.34.14 :) |
| 04:44.55 | minsa | somiaj, nsadmin, thnx. |
| 04:45.20 | nsadmin | loulouxiv, so, it seems your basic networking is up |
| 04:45.30 | loulouxiv | yes |
| 04:46.53 | nsadmin | if you were to echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:47.08 | nsadmin | and then try ping yahoo.com |
| 04:47.30 | loulouxiv | i may have found something :) i'm gonna try to download the installer from a ftp by giving the installer its ip address |
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| 04:49.04 | nsadmin | you already have an installer, or do you? |
| 04:50.22 | loulouxiv | hum i think its just an little image for an embedded system |
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| 04:50.45 | loulouxiv | which should download the rest and then install everything |
| 04:50.54 | nsadmin | image file anem? |
| 04:50.59 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:51.04 | nsadmin | image file name? |
| 04:51.18 | loulouxiv | kirkwood |
| 04:51.44 | loulouxiv | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html |
| 04:51.50 | nsadmin | hmm. never heard of that as a debian-installer image |
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| 04:52.47 | loulouxiv | there is not many sheevaplug around :) |
| 04:53.17 | nsadmin | what can they boot from? |
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| 04:56.04 | loulouxiv | what support ? or os ? |
| 04:56.22 | loulouxiv | (the ftp thing seems to be working) |
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| 04:57.45 | loulouxiv | for a little home server that will be up 24h 7/7 should prefer the stable version ? |
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| 04:59.48 | nsadmin | well for example, sheevas are too small to have a built in cdrom, so it probably wouldn't make sense for it to have direct bios support for a cd... howbout usb? |
| 05:00.34 | loulouxiv | you can boot from usb, sdcard, tftp or internal flash |
| 05:02.43 | nsadmin | ok, what is it you're interested in doing in support of getting the little server going? |
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| 05:04.39 | nsadmin | I'd like to request that if you're interested in doing this job yourself, let me know to drop my attention... if you want help, could you respond about 10000% faster? |
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| 05:06.22 | nsadmin | ok, that's a no to both. nonresponsive |
| 05:06.27 | nsadmin | good luck |
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| 05:17.00 | minsa | vlc is tied to libfglrx ? |
| 05:17.04 | minsa | I can't install it now. |
| 05:17.12 | minsa | since I have been using free radeon driver. |
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| 05:25.05 | simonlnu | um, no? why would it? |
| 05:25.33 | simonlnu | just because it's coming in with vlc, doesn't mean it deps on it, or even recommended |
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| 05:32.37 | minsa | I can't install vlc now. it complains about not being able to install libfglrx |
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| 05:33.37 | themill | minsa: please put the command you gave along with the entire output into http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it |
| 05:34.16 | minsa | themill, one sec. |
| 05:34.57 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/XdErLCPt |
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| 05:36.34 | themill | minsa: you appear to have an interesting mixture of squeeze and wheezy there. What release do you want to run? and are you in the middle of upgrading? |
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| 05:37.54 | themill | (also, using deb-multimedia.org only ends in tears -- getting rid of it would be entirely appropriate) |
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| 05:40.19 | minsa | Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l |
| 05:40.26 | minsa | themill, that's what I have. |
| 05:40.54 | themill | minsa: that doesn't answer my question |
| 05:41.02 | jagginess | hehe |
| 05:41.12 | minsa | themill, I want to run wheezy |
| 05:41.35 | themill | !show sources.list minsa |
| 05:41.36 | dpkg | minsa: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 05:42.25 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/084HSX7T |
| 05:43.32 | themill | minsa: so try commenting out the deb-multimedia line; run apt-get update; then pastebin the output of "aptitude full-upgrade" to see how it goes. |
| 05:43.58 | minsa | themill, on it. |
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| 05:46.31 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/vzfUpz7A |
| 05:46.35 | minsa | ran into first problem |
| 05:47.02 | themill | that wasn't aptitude |
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| 05:47.39 | minsa | that's apt-get update |
| 05:48.05 | minsa | should I just ignore this and go to "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 05:48.05 | themill | apt-get update shouldn't generate that output either |
| 05:48.25 | minsa | ah.. update vs. upgrade |
| 05:48.30 | themill | prefers to see the command and the output in the pastebinm |
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| 05:49.04 | minsa | noted |
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| 05:50.53 | themill | (I also seem to have contracted Debian's en_DE.... "prefers to see" ...☹) |
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| 05:51.10 | simonlnu | weee |
| 05:51.14 | ShaggyTwoDope | whooo |
| 05:51.43 | minsa | themill, it will be a while, I have captured it to a typescript file. Will paste it afterwards. |
| 05:52.19 | themill | minsa: just be careful that aptitude doesn't decide that the best course of action is to remove half your system. It probably won't, but might. |
| 05:53.33 | minsa | it has resolved some conflicts |
| 05:53.46 | minsa | but they don't look important to me.. but I won't know for now. |
| 05:53.48 | ShaggyTwoDope | curiousity |
| 05:53.54 | ShaggyTwoDope | what are you trying to do minsa |
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| 05:54.04 | minsa | doing full upgrade to wheezy |
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| 05:54.25 | ShaggyTwoDope | to testing |
| 05:54.33 | ShaggyTwoDope | or the unstable |
| 05:54.40 | minsa | testing |
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| 05:58.32 | ShaggyTwoDope | minsa: so apt-get dist-upgrade bugging on you? |
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| 06:00.34 | minsa | ShaggyTwoDope, I remember that command but I am in the middle of "aptitude full-upgrade" now. |
| 06:00.52 | ShaggyTwoDope | hmm |
| 06:01.03 | themill | minsa: so you've told it to continue with the full-upgrade? |
| 06:01.58 | cybes | i used wget to download a rpm..but i just downloaded a php page which is the redirection page please help! |
| 06:02.23 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: an rpm for what? |
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| 06:02.36 | cybes | mysql |
| 06:02.39 | Ariii | Hi... will Debian's issue of messing up MacOS 9 disk drivers when dual-booting be fixed soon? |
| 06:02.41 | Rabans | "I have very serious allergies to flat screens and light I use a CRT for most everything" |
| 06:02.46 | Rabans | Anyone heard of anything like this? |
| 06:02.54 | simonlnu | cybes: 1) don't install rpms 2) follow the page 3) use *debian* packages |
| 06:03.16 | somiaj | cybes: why? that sounds like a poor method to install software on a debian system. |
| 06:03.22 | nsadmin | if you're running debian then forget about rpms... there are debian packages for mysql |
| 06:03.28 | minsa | themill, yes. |
| 06:03.31 | simonlnu | Ariii: check the bts for debian-installer bugs (bugs.debian.org) |
| 06:03.41 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: well you shouldnt need a rpm for debian |
| 06:03.43 | cybes | simonlu: its a test ..like i should do this method..i'm a trainee and need to install it in test server using source only |
| 06:03.59 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: rpm isnt source |
| 06:04.09 | ShaggyTwoDope | you would look for a tar.gz package mate |
| 06:04.14 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope:nsadmin^ |
| 06:04.28 | themill | minsa: ok, that will take a while to complete then. It looked like you had quite a few things to upgrade. Once it's finished, "/msg dpkg not available" and show us the output of that. We might need to fiddle a little to get rid of some of the stuff from deb-multimedia. |
| 06:04.49 | Ariii | simonlnu: Thanks :)! |
| 06:04.56 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: well you can link to what your trying to get |
| 06:05.01 | nsadmin | cybes, then get the source. you don't need any rpm for that |
| 06:05.03 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope: i think that link is the tar.gz package |
| 06:05.24 | ShaggyTwoDope | wget doesnt handle redirection i think |
| 06:05.32 | cybes | i'll paste the link pls |
| 06:05.33 | ShaggyTwoDope | maybe use axel? |
| 06:05.41 | ShaggyTwoDope | paste away sir :-p |
| 06:05.44 | themill | wget handles 3xx redirects quite happy |
| 06:05.50 | simonlnu | it can. you have to use a certain flag |
| 06:06.00 | ShaggyTwoDope | themill: gets fussie imo lol |
| 06:06.01 | cybes | http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mirror.php?id=409924 |
| 06:06.07 | ShaggyTwoDope | axel seems smoother |
| 06:06.31 | simonlnu | if it's got a redirect script, you have to use --trust-server-names |
| 06:06.40 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: well right off |
| 06:06.44 | ShaggyTwoDope | i can tell you why |
| 06:06.47 | simonlnu | though it handles sf.net fine, because they do it right |
| 06:06.48 | ShaggyTwoDope | you need to log in to dl it |
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| 06:07.26 | cybes | but in browser it worked fine to download |
| 06:07.39 | cybes | i'll try the --trust-server |
| 06:07.41 | ShaggyTwoDope | gwet has nothign to do with your browser |
| 06:07.41 | themill | simonlnu: that's only about the filename for saving the file not whether it should follow the redirect. |
| 06:07.53 | simonlnu | because your browser handled the 200. themill: quite right |
| 06:08.06 | minsa | themill, I have commented out both google and multimedia lines from sources.list |
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| 06:08.09 | nsadmin | you do need to log in... they want your money to go farther... so send $4 to... |
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| 06:08.31 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: why not simply upload the file? |
| 06:08.32 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope: its a kind of test ..i'm using wget for my testserver and i can download the same link in browser in my local system |
| 06:09.16 | simonlnu | proper scripts will send a 302 or 301 instead of a 200 |
| 06:09.34 | simonlnu | that's where you get an html file... |
| 06:09.42 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1324421/how-to-get-past-the-login-page-with-wget |
| 06:09.47 | simonlnu | or 404s ;p |
| 06:09.50 | ShaggyTwoDope | that should help you i think |
| 06:10.41 | simonlnu | waves good night |
| 06:10.41 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: ofc you gotta figure the auth method |
| 06:11.05 | themill | The link to skip that login page and just download would be useful |
| 06:11.26 | cybes | good night simonlu..thx |
| 06:11.33 | themill | (and since rpm ≠source, that's still not really going to help with the overall objective) |
| 06:12.10 | ShaggyTwoDope | still |
| 06:12.13 | ShaggyTwoDope | ewwww rpm lol |
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| 06:12.25 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope: thx dude for the link but will you try that link in wget pls.. |
| 06:12.41 | cybes | sorry not that link the link that i tried to wget |
| 06:12.42 | nsadmin | will YOU try it? |
| 06:13.13 | cybes | it'll save a php page file not a tarball file |
| 06:13.19 | ShaggyTwoDope | http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.1/MySQL-devel-5.1.66-1.glibc23.i386.rpm/from/http://cdn.mysql.com/ |
| 06:13.28 | ShaggyTwoDope | refers to a .html file for me |
| 06:13.29 | nsadmin | then the server is misconfigured |
| 06:13.35 | ShaggyTwoDope | but, its a rpm file |
| 06:13.43 | ShaggyTwoDope | doesnt rename proper |
| 06:13.55 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope:how you got that link? |
| 06:14.05 | ShaggyTwoDope | bottom of the page |
| 06:14.14 | ShaggyTwoDope | downloads fine |
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| 06:14.18 | ShaggyTwoDope | just have to rename |
| 06:14.44 | themill | nothing wrong with their server, just with your expectations of what is going to happen and with your usage of wget |
| 06:14.48 | nsadmin | that's not what he wants if it's not the source of mysql |
| 06:15.06 | nsadmin | if it depends on a specific lib, I suspect it is not source |
| 06:15.34 | ShaggyTwoDope | the redirect thing |
| 06:15.40 | cybes | yep |
| 06:15.50 | ShaggyTwoDope | just simply rename the file :-p |
| 06:16.01 | cybes | so is that the source for installing mysql |
| 06:16.03 | cybes | ?? |
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| 06:16.25 | nsadmin | if it is an rpm, I suspect the answer is no |
| 06:16.27 | themill | cybes: no. We covered that 10 minutes ago |
| 06:17.43 | cybes | sorry guys...i can't convey the correct thing that i meant ..becoz of the language barrier :( |
| 06:17.57 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: lol keep asking mate |
| 06:18.03 | nsadmin | what language would you like to speak? |
| 06:18.11 | themill | cybes: I'd suspect that you want to be asking about compiling mysql in #mysql -- #debian will help you install the debian packages for mysql quite happily ;) |
| 06:18.12 | cybes | malayalam :) |
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| 06:18.33 | ShaggyTwoDope | ok well i dont do that lang :-p |
| 06:18.43 | ShaggyTwoDope | but that file wont be what you need |
| 06:18.45 | nsadmin | hmm. there has been a lot of malays over the years... |
| 06:19.04 | ShaggyTwoDope | what distro is your server? |
| 06:19.13 | cybes | its centos |
| 06:19.20 | cybes | 5.** |
| 06:19.51 | cybes | where you all at guys? |
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| 06:20.09 | themill | is struggling to find the debian support issue here |
| 06:20.20 | cybes | sorry |
| 06:21.28 | cybes | please tell me where can i find the source package for installing mysql |
| 06:22.05 | themill | cybes: #mysql would be a better place to ask |
| 06:22.06 | nsadmin | cybes, the thing is people here may not have learned how to build things in centos... answers you get here will have to do with debian. Add to that, you want a malay speaker |
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| 06:22.22 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: well i THINK your looking for this |
| 06:22.24 | ShaggyTwoDope | http://www.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.5/mysql-5.5.28.tar.gz/from/http://cdn.mysql.com/ |
| 06:22.30 | themill | nsadmin: malayalam ≠malay |
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| 06:22.38 | ShaggyTwoDope | but #centos or #mysql help you better |
| 06:22.51 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 06:22.58 | cybes | themill: i use debain as my local system |
| 06:23.11 | nsadmin | at minimum, they are additional sources of info |
| 06:23.20 | themill | cybes: "apt-get install mysql-server" works quite well under debian ;) |
| 06:23.29 | nsadmin | cybas, will you use your local system to build mysql? |
| 06:24.03 | cybes | dude thats what i said..i need to build the package and compile it..its a test for me as a traineeeeee |
| 06:24.17 | ShaggyTwoDope | well |
| 06:24.23 | ShaggyTwoDope | http://www.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.5/mysql-5.5.28.tar.gz/from/http://cdn.mysql.com/ |
| 06:24.25 | themill | cybes: you'd want to compile it on a system that is the same as your server |
| 06:24.37 | ShaggyTwoDope | is the source package i assume you want |
| 06:24.57 | nsadmin | cybes, also, whoever said you have to get the source of mysql is not correct, UNLESS this is a teacher which is telling you the exercise he wants you to do |
| 06:25.24 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope: so i just need to unzip that and find the dependencies right?could you tell me how you got that link dude? |
| 06:25.56 | ShaggyTwoDope | gladly |
| 06:25.58 | ShaggyTwoDope | http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/ |
| 06:25.58 | cybes | nsadmin:exactly ..he is my trainer |
| 06:26.14 | ShaggyTwoDope | scroll down and you see misc downloands |
| 06:26.32 | ShaggyTwoDope | find the drop down menu and you can chose your platform |
| 06:26.44 | nsadmin | I'll go this far: once you get this, use tar to extract it, cd in there, you should find README and INSTALL |
| 06:26.45 | ShaggyTwoDope | source code being the last one |
| 06:26.47 | nsadmin | read those files |
| 06:27.19 | ShaggyTwoDope | tar xzf mysql-5.5.28.tar.gz |
| 06:27.34 | ShaggyTwoDope | cd mysql-5.5.28 |
| 06:27.52 | ShaggyTwoDope | rest is a bit more then i know lol |
| 06:28.03 | ShaggyTwoDope | not sure config options for mysql |
| 06:28.08 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope: this is the thing that keeps confusing me..there are so many packages and libraries to download which to download? |
| 06:28.10 | ShaggyTwoDope | kinda heavy machine that one |
| 06:28.27 | cybes | i can't find the misc that you mentioned |
| 06:28.28 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: building from source is a bit much |
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| 06:28.50 | ShaggyTwoDope | i'm 99pct sure you can find a package for centos |
| 06:28.56 | ShaggyTwoDope | without compling |
| 06:28.57 | nsadmin | this is getting more and more circular |
| 06:29.14 | cybes | could you tell me exactly how you got www.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.5/mysql-5.5.28.tar.gz/from/http://cdn.mysql.com/ |
| 06:29.18 | cybes | that link |
| 06:29.30 | nsadmin | ShaggyTwoDope, you're kinda not listening to him |
| 06:29.47 | ShaggyTwoDope | nsadmin: iam a bit lost lol |
| 06:29.54 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/ |
| 06:29.58 | ShaggyTwoDope | vist that page |
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| 06:30.15 | nsadmin | I even got him to clarify one point you're clearly not paying attention to: he wants to build it as an exercise |
| 06:30.21 | cybes | yeah i'm in that page ..and i can see a lot to download from libraries to .. |
| 06:30.30 | ShaggyTwoDope | look for Select Platform |
| 06:30.45 | cybes | yeah linux generic |
| 06:30.48 | ShaggyTwoDope | and theres a drop down menu |
| 06:30.57 | ShaggyTwoDope | you can chose source code |
| 06:31.07 | ShaggyTwoDope | and hit select |
| 06:31.47 | nsadmin | cool... thanks. that was one of his requests from before: "how did you get to that more specific link" |
| 06:31.59 | cybes | pls after select platform there are many things to download link development libraries client utilts..like that |
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| 06:32.48 | cybes | is that the last tar archive?? |
| 06:33.08 | ShaggyTwoDope | yeah |
| 06:33.33 | cybes | http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mirror.php?id=409776 |
| 06:34.01 | cybes | this is the thing that i get when copy link location..how you got exactlty that location that you sent? |
| 06:34.29 | ShaggyTwoDope | scroll down |
| 06:34.43 | ShaggyTwoDope | and you see a link » No thanks, just start my download! |
| 06:35.35 | cybes | sorry dude..i can;t find it ..that was the last package to download and after that nothing.. |
| 06:35.38 | cybes | :( |
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| 06:36.01 | minsa | where is LS_COLORS defined for debian ? |
| 06:36.27 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: here http://www.geeksww.com/tutorials/database_management_systems/mysql/installation/downloading_compiling_and_installing_mysql_server_from_source_code.php |
| 06:36.30 | ShaggyTwoDope | read this |
| 06:36.31 | ShaggyTwoDope | BUT |
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| 06:36.47 | ShaggyTwoDope | use http://www.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.5/mysql-5.5.28.tar.gz/from/http://cdn.mysql.com/ |
| 06:37.04 | ShaggyTwoDope | not http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.1/mysql-5.1.51.tar.gz/from/http://mysql.he.net/ |
| 06:37.21 | ShaggyTwoDope | go from there i guess lol |
| 06:37.37 | ShaggyTwoDope | #mysql channel may be way more help tho |
| 06:37.47 | themill | minsa: .bashrc typically runs dircolors |
| 06:38.16 | ShaggyTwoDope | minsa: whats your terminal bash, zsh? |
| 06:38.30 | cybes | that link is the thing that i dont get |
| 06:38.50 | TomyLobo | if i have the postfix package, is there any reason for having the sendmail-* packages? |
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| 06:39.15 | TomyLobo | (assuming i dont need 2 mail servers running :)) |
| 06:39.37 | cybes | ShaggyTwoDope:themill:nsadmin: thank you all very much guys |
| 06:39.54 | themill | TomyLobo: the debian m-t-a packages normally conflict against each other so you can only have one installed. (no, you don't need any sendmail pacakges installed if you've got postfix there) |
| 06:39.55 | ShaggyTwoDope | sorry cant be more help mate |
| 06:39.59 | ShaggyTwoDope | cybes: best of luck |
| 06:40.38 | minsa | ShaggyTwoDope, bash |
| 06:40.39 | TomyLobo | what is m-t-a? i have both postfix and sendmail-{base,cf,doc} installed right now |
| 06:40.54 | themill | dpkg: tell TomyLobo about mta |
| 06:41.12 | minsa | themill, my dircolors gives off a long line. I want to change di=01 to di=94 |
| 06:41.37 | minsa | but I can't seem to find where LS_COLORS is originally defined. must be a system file ? |
| 06:41.39 | TomyLobo | i see. thanks! |
| 06:41.57 | themill | minsa: you can override entries in ~/.dircolors. See dircolors(1) for details |
| 06:42.07 | minsa | themill, will try that. |
| 06:42.12 | TomyLobo | do i need bind9 for making DNS queries? |
| 06:42.25 | TomyLobo | for some reason that package was installed by default on this vserver |
| 06:42.31 | nsadmin | no, you don't need it |
| 06:42.34 | TomyLobo | (who would run a dns server on a vserver?) |
| 06:42.52 | nevyn | why not? |
| 06:42.55 | nsadmin | anyone who thinks lookups should be faster |
| 06:43.07 | minsa | the mill, I was assuming I could change /etc/mrxvt/mrxvtrc . I change the color4 with the color code that I want but to no avail. |
| 06:43.12 | TomyLobo | ah for local caching? ok i forgot about that |
| 06:43.14 | nevyn | TomyLobo: you need the libs. |
| 06:43.21 | nevyn | TomyLobo: and the utils are handy |
| 06:43.36 | TomyLobo | bind9utilsß |
| 06:43.37 | TomyLobo | ? |
| 06:43.45 | nevyn | yes |
| 06:43.48 | nevyn | you want thos |
| 06:43.53 | nevyn | they include stuff like host and dig |
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| 06:44.15 | themill | TomyLobo: many (most?) vservers serve dns data as well, hence bind9 by default makes some degree of sense for a default install there. |
| 06:45.18 | TomyLobo | the kind of vservers i used were flaky and unreliable. not the best preconditions for hosting a public dns server |
| 06:45.44 | nevyn | so don't use that sort :) |
| 06:46.02 | jelly-home | using 2-3 hosted in different places helps |
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| 06:46.03 | TomyLobo | that's the kind that comes for a price below that of a proper server though :) |
| 06:46.06 | themill | s/public dns// |
| 06:46.52 | nsadmin | a plain-vanilla bind9 will go directly to the root servers for those queries that are not already in the bind cache |
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| 06:53.42 | minsa | the mill, I put a single line DIR 94 in .dir_colors, it doesn't work. my xterm is displaying light blue for directory but not my mrxvt. |
| 06:54.38 | jelly-home | whoever thought answering authoritative and recursor queries with the same dns server was a good idea |
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| 06:57.13 | somiaj | minsa: do you run dircolors after you change that file |
| 06:57.40 | somiaj | minsa: eval `dircolors -b $HOME/.dir_colors` -- that is what I use in my .bashrc to load the colors, also you have to run that command any time you make changes |
| 06:57.43 | minsa | somiaj, I didn't do that. |
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| 06:58.21 | somiaj | yea run that command to make the colors take effect. Put it in .bashrc to make sure it happens each time you get load a shell/terminal |
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| 07:03.30 | minsa | smoiaj, it's in .bashrc already. I have one line in ~/.dir_colors ====> DIR 01;94 |
| 07:03.43 | minsa | open a new mrxvt. nothing happens. |
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| 07:05.02 | minsa | I was trying to figure out why xterm has light blue and mrxvt doesn't. |
| 07:05.37 | themill | minsa: the default bashrc uses ~/.dircolors not ~/.dir_colors. I don't recall the syntax of the file though -- it's been years since I looked at it |
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| 07:09.06 | minsa | themill, somiaj, the default .bashrc does have .dircolors. I have put in the line DIR 01;94 there but didn't help. |
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| 07:12.42 | somiaj | minsa: that is only run when you load your shell |
| 07:13.02 | somiaj | minsa: source ~/.bashrc after you make the changes or rerun the dircolors command |
| 07:13.27 | somiaj | yea my .bashrc is very old, so I don't know what is common default on debain these days |
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| 07:15.54 | Rabans | Anyone suffering from effects |
| 07:15.55 | Rabans | from their smart meters? |
| 07:16.24 | AlexLikeRock | i make a new user (non administrator) , and they not are pictures, music,videos folders |
| 07:16.35 | AlexLikeRock | what can i do ? |
| 07:17.14 | jayne | Rabans: that's not on-topic here, or in most of the other channels you a-msged that to. Please stop amsg-ing, and limit your questions to somewhere they're on-topic. |
| 07:17.14 | TomyLobo | what keeps you from creating them yourself? |
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| 07:17.24 | Rabans | No amsg. |
| 07:17.30 | Rabans | I typed it individually. |
| 07:17.30 | AlexLikeRock | i tink , its nesesari to media player ,cheese ,screensaver, etc |
| 07:17.48 | jayne | Rabans: whether you did it via a script/cmd or manually, it's still an amsg, and inappropriate |
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| 07:17.54 | AlexLikeRock | but , its normal ? |
| 07:18.10 | TomyLobo | Rabans smart meters are used to spy on you zomg, now go to #conspiracy or something |
| 07:18.59 | Rabans | Well, speaking of which |
| 07:19.03 | Rabans | when I was at a coffee shop I a clerk told me that the chip in my card was used to track me. |
| 07:19.05 | Rabans | Any credence to that? |
| 07:19.16 | TomyLobo | see above |
| 07:19.25 | TomyLobo | also yes, of course |
| 07:19.33 | Rabans | Said it's a prototype for embedding RFID chips into people. |
| 07:19.36 | TomyLobo | the credit card company tracks what you buy with it |
| 07:19.54 | Rabans | No the chip itself signals to some high agency about my whereabouts etc. |
| 07:19.58 | TomyLobo | or rather, where and how much it costs |
| 07:20.05 | TomyLobo | haha |
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| 07:20.55 | Rabans | The greatest thing about my life is that I'm financially independent. I have some latent fears about that pissing off the government etc. |
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| 07:21.04 | Rabans | Wanting to get me to be a slave like the rest. |
| 07:21.09 | AlexLikeRock | ok, tanks tomlobo |
| 07:21.11 | AlexLikeRock | bye |
| 07:21.13 | TomyLobo | AlexLikeRock were they created for another user? i'd assume some other |
| 07:21.32 | TomyLobo | program is creating them, for instance gnome or kde |
| 07:22.04 | AlexLikeRock | i create with gnome |
| 07:22.44 | TomyLobo | Rabans as long as you're dependent on finances, you're not independent from the whim of the banks and government. you decide which of the 2 is worse |
| 07:23.06 | TomyLobo | AlexLikeRock did you log in to the user with gnome yet? |
| 07:23.40 | Rabans | TomyLobo: Point is that I have enough that I don't work. |
| 07:23.46 | Rabans | I have my own time + life. |
| 07:24.03 | Rabans | The chip is telling the agency that I am not at work |
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| 07:24.08 | Rabans | that I am doing whatever I feel like doing. |
| 07:24.10 | Rabans | Get it? |
| 07:24.25 | AlexLikeRock | tomylobo sorry i dont undertand |
| 07:24.26 | TomyLobo | they have better things to do |
| 07:24.28 | Rabans | That's why I've taken to leaving the CC chip card at home |
| 07:24.31 | Rabans | except when absolutely neaded. |
| 07:24.35 | Rabans | You think that's overkill? |
| 07:25.10 | Rabans | Do you think the govt has no issue with people not working? |
| 07:25.18 | TomyLobo | i certainly do |
| 07:25.28 | Rabans | I had to do an awful lot to make myself financially independent. Almost everyone I know |
| 07:25.31 | Rabans | is dependent on their job. |
| 07:25.44 | Rabans | Why then is there such an impetus to get people dependent on jobs? |
| 07:26.16 | Rabans | If I followed the system like everyone else I'd have no independent wealth |
| 07:26.17 | TomyLobo | what, other than conspiring against conspiracy, is it you're doing all day? |
| 07:26.20 | Rabans | I'd be a sucker like the rest. |
| 07:26.33 | Rabans | I am enjoying myself, TomyLobo. |
| 07:26.47 | Rabans | I have time to think and reflect and be a real, complete person |
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| 07:27.03 | TomyLobo | some say that includes some kind of work |
| 07:27.24 | Rabans | That's because they are trying to escape from real life. |
| 07:27.31 | Rabans | Huxley said that in his masterpiece. |
| 07:27.45 | Rabans | They get conditioned into a system that hides them from true reality. |
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| 07:28.04 | Rabans | Work is just escapism. |
| 07:28.33 | TomyLobo | escaping from what? |
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| 07:29.29 | Rabans | From the mysteries and weight of being. |
| 07:29.47 | Rabans | People who work a lot are trying to get away from themselves. |
| 07:29.53 | Rabans | Work is a distraction. |
| 07:30.16 | Rabans | So the average person escapes via work |
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| 07:30.20 | Rabans | then escapes via alcohol. |
| 07:30.24 | Rabans | His whole life is an escape |
| 07:30.28 | TomyLobo | that applies to some people |
| 07:30.30 | Rabans | he doesn't want to face real life. |
| 07:30.34 | TomyLobo | but not to everyone |
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| 07:30.58 | TomyLobo | if it applies to you, make sure you're not projecting |
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| 07:31.50 | Rabans | Doesn't apply to me because I don't work. |
| 07:31.52 | Rabans | I told you that. |
| 07:31.57 | Rabans | I have time to think about true reality. |
| 07:32.05 | Rabans | I don't bow to anyone. |
| 07:32.10 | Rabans | I am King of my world. |
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| 07:32.32 | TomyLobo | you are not working *now* |
| 07:32.41 | TomyLobo | i assume you did work a lot at some point in time |
| 07:32.47 | TomyLobo | you said that |
| 07:33.00 | Rabans | I am done with that. |
| 07:33.01 | Rabans | Never again. |
| 07:33.03 | Rabans | I am a free man now. |
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| 07:33.37 | TomyLobo | so you worked your ass off, escaping from reality? :) |
| 07:33.47 | somiaj | Rabans, take your discussions somewhere more appropriate. |
| 07:34.37 | Rabans | I told you I am my own King. |
| 07:34.39 | Rabans | I bow to NOBODY. |
| 07:34.46 | Rabans | The govt must hate this. |
| 07:34.51 | Rabans | That's why I keep my chipped card at home |
| 07:34.51 | TomyLobo | except to technical limitations |
| 07:34.53 | Rabans | whenever possible. |
| 07:34.54 | TomyLobo | like +b |
| 07:35.25 | TomyLobo | not minimodding, just giving you an advice |
| 07:36.09 | TomyLobo | Rabans why would the government care? |
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| 07:37.29 | Rabans | 2.5 mG is the generally accepted limit of ELF magnetic field exposure but no one tells you that the average hair dryer, vacuum cleaner, or can opener you use EMITS AN AMAZING 300 mG or more!!! |
| 07:37.31 | Rabans | What do you think about this? |
| 07:37.43 | TomyLobo | motors. |
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| 07:38.19 | erbo | is there a channel for debian experimental? |
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| 07:38.36 | somiaj | !ops Rabans offtopic |
| 07:38.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: Rabans offtopic |
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| 07:39.01 | somiaj | erbo: debian experimental isn't really a full thing, so no single place, but #debian-next on irc.oftc.net will be a good place |
| 07:39.38 | erbo | somiaj: thanks |
| 07:41.26 | TomyLobo | Rabans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_magnetic_field#Main_characteristics read the paragraph under intensity |
| 07:41.48 | Rabans | But we evolved with that |
| 07:41.52 | Rabans | from the very beginning |
| 07:41.57 | TomyLobo | read it |
| 07:42.01 | Rabans | many millions of years ago. |
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| 07:42.14 | CQ | hello, is there a way to get a pager showing the virtual desktops in gnome? |
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| 07:42.20 | Rabans | Read what? |
| 07:42.22 | Rabans | Quote what you want. |
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| 07:44.00 | somiaj | CQ: there is a simple one that you can put in the pannel (one of gnome applets)...though not sure the best way to install it in debian |
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| 07:44.22 | CQ | somiaj: simple is fine, I just need _something_ ... |
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| 07:44.35 | somiaj | I think you can just right click on the pannel and look though your installed applets |
| 07:44.40 | somiaj | as I don't use gnome I can't tell you more than that |
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| 07:45.36 | CQ | thats whats weird, right-clicking doesn't seem to work anywhere |
| 07:45.56 | CQ | or at least doesn't do anything special, sometimes it selects something like left would |
| 07:46.51 | somiaj | hmm, I'm going off of using gnome years ago. start looking though the config tools gnome provides or use google would be my next suggestions |
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| 07:48.10 | somiaj | but yea it is an applet you can add to your pannel (you may have to configure gnome to have multiple desktops for it to show up to) |
| 07:48.14 | CQ | I didn't find anything inteh settings, what are the config tools? lemme se if I can find them... I just installed wheezy and figured I'd give it a shot for a little while before going to xfce |
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| 07:48.55 | minsa | themill, I am done with "aptitude full-upgrade". It went without a hitch. It will be a huge file. I don't think I can even paste it on pastebin. |
| 07:49.01 | minsa | I will just reboot ? |
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| 07:51.29 | somiaj | minsa: what did you upgrade from. should only need to reboot if you upgraded kernels. |
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| 07:54.04 | superphly | Is there a console app to easily manage what scripts get run on startup? |
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| 07:54.27 | superphly | I have a bunch of services that I'd like to reconfigure their runlevels |
| 07:54.31 | somiaj | superphly: man update-rc.d |
| 07:54.53 | somiaj | superphly: by default all debian runlevels are the same just so you know |
| 07:55.09 | somiaj | superphly: but that is the debian tool to add/rmove the links from /etc/rc?.d/ to /etc/init.d/ |
| 07:55.27 | superphly | What if my system is using the dependency based booting? |
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| 07:55.31 | superphly | err whatever it's called. |
| 07:55.47 | somiaj | lsb init scripts deal with lsb headers on the actual script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 07:56.06 | somiaj | update-rc.d reads those when it is run, you can change the default runlevels by modifying those headers as well |
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| 07:56.18 | somiaj | so that is how it determins what order to make the links |
| 07:56.23 | superphly | ah |
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| 07:56.34 | superphly | so in the end its still using init.d |
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| 07:56.59 | somiaj | well that is where all the init scripts are pooled |
| 07:57.07 | somiaj | run levels are links to those scripts. |
| 07:57.15 | superphly | right, lsb just front ends that a little |
| 07:57.21 | superphly | for management purposes |
| 07:57.28 | somiaj | and on debian they are same by default, so dont' expect differences unless you make them |
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| 07:57.53 | somiaj | yea it helps figure out the order to put the links (thus order the scripts are run at bootup) |
| 07:57.58 | superphly | well, i just want a list of the apps that are set to startup by default |
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| 07:58.06 | superphly | so i can go turn them off |
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| 07:58.18 | somiaj | superphly: ls /etc/rc2.d should give you that list |
| 07:58.25 | superphly | ok |
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| 07:58.33 | somiaj | superphly: use update-rc.d service_name disable |
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| 07:59.02 | minsa | somiaj, I think I upgraded to wheezy. |
| 07:59.09 | somiaj | minsa: from squeeze? |
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| 07:59.23 | somiaj | yea a reboot is good, hopefully you have a livecd around (if you updated lots of things) |
| 07:59.30 | minsa | yes, it looks like I have some package from squeeze and some from wheezy. |
| 07:59.36 | minsa | so I did a full upgrade. |
| 07:59.51 | somiaj | minsa: yea make sure you have only wheezy packages if you can |
| 08:00.00 | minsa | I will reboot shortly. I forgot to do dist-upgrade when I change my sources.list |
| 08:00.05 | somiaj | superphly: so yea if all you want to do is disable startup scripts run that command I gave you on the services you want to disable) |
| 08:00.32 | somiaj | superphly: you can use the links in /etc/rc2.d to see what is there (S means start it K means it is disabled) |
| 08:00.54 | somiaj | superphly: only worry about changing runlevels if you want to manage different run levels which is probabaly what you don't want to do |
| 08:01.55 | superphly | so what man page do i need to read to just completely shut a service off |
| 08:02.03 | superphly | without uninstalling it, obviously. |
| 08:02.06 | superphly | update-rc.d |
| 08:02.06 | somiaj | minsa: aptitude full-upgrade is equivlant to apt-get dist-upgrade (I'm unsure which is recomended for squeeze->wheezy) |
| 08:02.16 | somiaj | superphly: I gave you the exact command |
| 08:02.21 | somiaj | 23:58 < somiaj> superphly: use update-rc.d service_name disable |
| 08:02.30 | somiaj | so man update-rc.d |
| 08:02.35 | superphly | gotcha. thanks |
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| 08:07.05 | boudiccas | somiaj, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:17.50 | erbo | moment 22, got a seg fault in reportbug |
| 08:18.18 | Mogget | Hey guys, does the Debian repository have an colorize alternative? |
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| 08:23.03 | somiaj | what is colorize? |
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| 08:23.49 | somiaj | Mogget: apt-cache search colorize (you can do that on your debian system) returns some results, but not sure what you are wanting to color |
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| 08:26.53 | Lachezar | Hey all... How do I list the packages that are installed explicitly (i.e. not automatically installed via dependencies)? |
| 08:27.24 | Lachezar | Migrating from one machine to a newer one, I'd like to check what packages do I need to install/remove on my new one. |
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| 08:28.36 | jelly-home | Lachezar: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 08:28.42 | ws2k3 | whats wrong with this command : screen -S 24598 -p 0 -X stuff 'mycommand\n' |
| 08:28.48 | ws2k3 | i wanne send a command to a screen session |
| 08:29.07 | Mogget | somiaj: I just realized that there is a perl script which colorize logs etc. I tried it and its wonderfull. Makes logfiles so much more readable. |
| 08:29.22 | Lachezar | jelly-home: Thanks, but I'm looking for a semi-manual method, because I'm migrating to a different version. |
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| 08:29.24 | Mogget | somiaj: I'll try your suggestion and see what I can find. |
| 08:29.32 | somiaj | Mogget: colortail does that there too |
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| 08:29.45 | jelly-home | Lachezar: ok... have you read the factoid? |
| 08:29.50 | somiaj | Mogget: (I got that from the search list I gave you) |
| 08:30.14 | Lachezar | helly-home: Ugh... No, I don't know what factoid is... |
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| 08:30.41 | jelly-home | Lachezar: did you read what the bot sent you afteryou typed "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" in your irc client? |
| 08:31.06 | Lachezar | jelly-home: Yes, I saw that. |
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| 08:31.22 | Lachezar | jelly-home: You mean there is no way around aptitude? |
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| 08:31.54 | jelly-home | Lachezar: I mean you are allowed to manually inspect the file created by the first command. |
| 08:32.04 | ws2k3 | whats wrong with this command : screen -S 24598 -p 0 -X stuff 'mycommand\n' |
| 08:32.06 | ws2k3 | i wanne send a command to a screen session |
| 08:32.22 | Lachezar | jelly-home: OK. Thanks... Off to installing aptitude (hope it does not bug on me again). |
| 08:32.34 | jelly-home | Lachezar: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:32.54 | Lachezar | jelly-home: Xubuntu :) |
| 08:33.03 | jelly-home | ... |
| 08:33.17 | jelly-home | Lachezar: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu or ##linux, then |
| 08:33.44 | Lachezar | jelly-home: I am also managing a few servers with Debian, so I was looking for a generic Debian based solution. |
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| 08:34.35 | jelly-home | this one works on Debian 6. No idea about derivatives. |
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| 08:34.57 | Lachezar | jelly-home: This command for aptitude puts a list of packages, that are installed without being automatic dependencies right? It does show numerous packages. |
| 08:35.20 | jelly-home | correct |
| 08:35.30 | Lachezar | jelly-home: It does seem to be what I need. Now I can diff both and see what I need to add and remove :) |
| 08:35.56 | Lachezar | jelly-home: Is there an apt/dpkg equivalent of this aptutude command? |
| 08:36.00 | Lachezar | *aptitude* |
| 08:36.58 | jelly-home | there would be no dpkg equivalent, since the tracking of what's automatically installed is done by aptitude and apt. I don't know how to pull it from apt... aptitude's installed by default in Debian. |
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| 08:38.41 | jelly-home | ws2k3: did you know there's a #screen channel |
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| 08:39.41 | ws2k3 | yeah i already tryed |
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| 08:41.46 | jelly-home | be patient |
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| 08:44.05 | antithesis | Debian was an excellent distribution in itÂ’s day, but it fell out of favor for a number of reasons: |
| 08:44.06 | antithesis | Lack of interest from the development team: Debian was an excellent server operating system and could even be modified at a desktop solution for those who were truly dedicated, but the development team eventually failed to release any new packages. This update failure would go on to effect updates to the X11 window system and even reduce filesystem support. One great example would be the lack of support for EXT3 which is now the standard for ne |
| 08:44.07 | antithesis | arly all Linux distributions. |
| 08:44.09 | antithesis | Is this true? |
| 08:44.57 | erbo | antithesis: that debian lacks support for ext3? |
| 08:45.06 | antithesis | Used to |
| 08:45.20 | Lachezar | antithesis: What year was this said? |
| 08:45.29 | antithesis | 28 |
| 08:45.30 | antithesis | Sep |
| 08:45.34 | erbo | If you go far enough back there was no ext3 |
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| 08:46.10 | antithesis | The blog felt like 28 Sep was enough of a description |
| 08:46.14 | antithesis | The comments start in 2010 |
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| 08:46.41 | somiaj | the criticisims mostly come from what debian considereds a frozen and stable system. |
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| 08:47.13 | somiaj | by definition stable is frozen and new updates will not be added to it. Many of them come with the next stable release. |
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| 08:48.13 | antithesis | Anyway, here's the article for those who are interested: http://www.fettesps.com/is-linux-mint-debian-edition-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/ |
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| 08:49.54 | somiaj | if you want to talk about mint, goto their irc channel |
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| 08:51.24 | somiaj | but you should go do some reading at debian.org if you want to get an understanding of how debian developes |
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| 08:51.59 | antithesis | I was just wondering what people would think of the tone: "Ubuntu being one of the distros that rose from the dust of the once great Debian" and "This of course was not the only thing that led to the downfall of Debian." |
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| 08:53.07 | jim1 | hi |
| 08:54.07 | themill | antithesis: this channel is for answering end-user support questions -- we don't tend to indulge in commentary like that here |
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| 08:55.30 | erbo | guess he wasn't getting the reaction he was hoping for :) |
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| 08:57.43 | rainfyre | it's just impossible to be able to take some people seriously |
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| 09:15.13 | fairway | hen will be jessie out? |
| 09:15.14 | fairway | when |
| 09:15.28 | boudiccas | 2015+ |
| 09:15.32 | fairway | ok |
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| 09:15.50 | boudiccas | at a a*very* wild guess! |
| 09:15.51 | Leoneof | and wheezy? |
| 09:16.01 | fairway | 2013 |
| 09:16.05 | boudiccas | Q1 2013 |
| 09:16.27 | Leoneof | s it's worth to download beta3 or wait? |
| 09:16.48 | boudiccas | beta 3 is the installer , NOT beta 3 of wheezy |
| 09:16.56 | Leoneof | oh |
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| 09:17.16 | boudiccas | i've been using wheezy for the last 3 months with few problems |
| 09:17.35 | Leoneof | boudiccas: gnome3? |
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| 09:17.49 | boudiccas | installed, not used, instead use XFCE |
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| 09:18.29 | fairway | can anyone tell me about their experience using wheezy on a mac mini? |
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| 09:22.00 | boudiccas | fairway, you might get more of a response in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, different server from here |
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| 09:22.24 | boudiccas | but, there are only 156 people in that channel |
| 09:22.49 | rainfyre | fairway: if you mean a ppc mac mini, you might also want to ask in #debianppc |
| 09:23.56 | Lachezar | jelly-home: I dot it: -F is just for output formatting, the magic is the '~i!~M' |
| 09:24.09 | Lachezar | helly-home: dot -> got |
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| 09:28.43 | fairway | rainfyre: no I mean a intel mac mini |
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| 09:34.19 | minsa | themill, I have rebooted. |
| 09:34.29 | minsa | after aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 09:37.28 | minsa | I can probably put back multi-media stuff in sources.list |
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| 09:38.33 | boudiccas | minsa, why? stick with the stock debain repos and not the 3rd-party apps |
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| 09:42.56 | __file__ | hi, what can cause "Permission Denied" when executing a file as root? (the file has +x) |
| 09:43.44 | minsa | boudiccas. ok. |
| 09:43.56 | boudiccas | that you're not /actually/ root! |
| 09:44.22 | jelly-home | that asking the same thing in two channels at the same time is frowned upon |
| 09:44.32 | minsa | boudiccas, how can I find out all the packages that come from multimedia |
| 09:44.37 | minsa | ? |
| 09:44.48 | __file__ | my strace: http://pastebin.ca/2250912 (running as root) |
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| 09:44.59 | boudiccas | minsa, don't know, i don't use deb-multimedia |
| 09:45.03 | jelly-home | !dmm list |
| 09:45.04 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
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| 09:52.51 | minsa | jolly-home nothing. |
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| 09:53.14 | minsa | deb line uncommented and apt-get update is also ran. |
| 09:53.21 | TomyLaptop | hi |
| 09:54.07 | jelly-home | weird |
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| 09:54.56 | TomyLaptop | there was some bot command for looking up backport dependencies. i can't find it. can someone help me? |
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| 10:00.37 | jelly-home | TomyLaptop: /msg judd checkbackport foo |
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| 10:02.20 | wutAnic | Hi, I'm looking some idea to create mail cluster. The main point that should be accomplished is: mail queue should be still available when server goes down. What comes to my mind is only nfs accross mail servers or solution like gfs. Do you known some better ideas to create mail clusters? Does exim or postfix have possibility to store mail queue in database? |
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| 10:03.35 | epitamizor | did geeqie drop jpeg support I dont see option to view jpeg nomore |
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| 10:04.50 | epitamizor | mail servers are overated just use a forum |
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| 10:07.43 | teite | wutAnic: interesting question |
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| 10:08.37 | boudiccas | minsa, tou might get problems finding deb-multiledia programmes from squeeze on a wheezy box. do you understand what i mean? |
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| 10:09.45 | boudiccas | minsa, was the deb line you added back in to sources.list marked 'squeweze'? |
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| 10:09.54 | boudiccas | squeeze |
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| 10:10.30 | epitamizor | i like breezy |
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| 10:15.17 | jelly-home | why does aptitude search search '~i~V-dmo' return installed packages that do not have -dmo in their installed version |
| 10:16.46 | minsa | boudiccas, there are two lines one is testing and the other wheezy. |
| 10:16.55 | minsa | otherwise, they are identical |
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| 10:17.58 | minsa | boudiccas, right now without multimedia, I cannot install vlc.. even if I can install vlc with dmm, the audio is with white noise. |
| 10:18.02 | minsa | using totem for now. |
| 10:18.54 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 10:19.08 | UukGoblin | I hibernated my system, but when I booted it again it just did a normal boot |
| 10:19.26 | UukGoblin | found some forum posts about installing uswsusp and pm-utils, but I have both of these installed |
| 10:19.36 | UukGoblin | I'm on sid on macbook |
| 10:19.54 | ChrisH | UukGoblin: hibernate means, suspend to disk? How did you initiated the hibernation? pm-hibernate or ?? |
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| 10:20.11 | Yans | Hello People. |
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| 10:21.19 | UukGoblin | ChrisH, I clicked the XFCE icon, then "Log out", then "Hibernate" :-> |
| 10:21.45 | UukGoblin | ChrisH, and yes, suspend to disk |
| 10:22.10 | UukGoblin | it dumped itself to the swap partition I believe, with a compression ratio of about 0.39 or something |
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| 10:22.28 | UukGoblin | but after a reboot it just started up normally |
| 10:24.09 | ChrisH | UukGoblin: I normally hibernate using pm-hibernate (as root) from inside a KDE session. I do not see any advantage to hibernate a booted but logged out system. Anyhow a hibernate-wakeup looks similar to normal bootup. Test it from inside andd using sudo pm-hibernate |
| 10:24.54 | UukGoblin | ChrisH, it doesn't actually log out, the menu item just says "Log out" and then shows you options to "log out", "reboot", "shut down", "suspend" or "hibernate" |
| 10:25.25 | UukGoblin | ChrisH, is something special required in grub to get it to restore from hibernation? |
| 10:25.46 | UukGoblin | I don't see how you'd choose between restoring from hibernation or doing a normal boot druring startup |
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| 10:32.00 | ChrisH | UukGoblin: OK, then I missunderstood it. There is no specials needed in grub. It should detect an hibernation image in swap and recover it. |
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| 10:33.01 | UukGoblin | hm, so it doesn't :-/ |
| 10:34.01 | UukGoblin | ChrisH, it does use pm-hibernate, because I can see the hibernation stuff in /var/log/pm-suspend.log |
| 10:34.12 | UukGoblin | "hibernate hibernate: success." |
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| 10:40.12 | ChrisH | and during bootup, there should be somehting like: oh, hibernation image found |
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| 10:58.33 | CrystalVoid | LtL: thanks ;) |
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| 11:04.14 | lumious | With apt-pinning, will this work: http://paste2.org/p/2467564 ? |
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| 11:33.16 | linux-fox | hi,guys |
| 11:34.01 | linux-fox | how can i compile my cpp files? use gcc? |
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| 11:38.25 | linux-fox | ll |
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| 11:39.22 | b0rsuk | Hi, I'm trying to record an audio stream from a website. http://archiwum.radiopik.pl/service.go?action=details&show.Record.id=120124 |
| 11:40.02 | b0rsuk | I tried using arecord, but no matter how I try (wav, ogg, lame mp3) I record only silence. Almost all bars are unmuted and raised in alsamixer. |
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| 11:40.57 | b0rsuk | Alternatively, I coud use rtmdump commandline utility if I had a direct link to the stream. But if you check the page source, you see that it's broken into a few parts. |
| 11:41.07 | b0rsuk | Can anybody help ? |
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| 11:48.50 | ChrisH | linux-fox: g++ ? |
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| 11:50.31 | teite | i have a problem with the svn version of wheezy |
| 11:50.36 | teite | svn: OPTIONS of 'https://.../svn/... : SSL handshake failed: SSL error: Key usage violation in certificate has been detected. |
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| 11:50.56 | teite | its a self signed server cert, but that shouldnt be a problem |
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| 11:51.38 | teite | second question, what keyring or auth-tool should i use with xfce? gnome-keyring doesnt sound right ;) |
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| 11:54.44 | teite | faking openssl libs can't really be a solution to this right? |
| 11:55.01 | niels1 | UukGoblin, figured out your hibernation problem? |
| 11:55.11 | UukGoblin | niels1, nope |
| 11:55.32 | UukGoblin | niels1, not sure where to start |
| 11:55.44 | niels1 | UukGoblin, can you please check that /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume refers to your swap drive? |
| 11:55.58 | niels1 | swap partition, even |
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| 11:56.20 | UukGoblin | niels1, /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ is an empty dir for me |
| 11:56.39 | niels1 | UukGoblin, that's most probably the problem then |
| 11:57.12 | niels1 | UukGoblin, if your swap is on /dev/sda4, do: echo "RESUME=/dev/sda4" > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 11:57.29 | niels1 | UukGoblin, and then do a update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 11:58.29 | niels1 | UukGoblin, if your swap is on a lvm volume, use /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname, NOT /dev/vgname/lvname |
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| 11:59.14 | rozie | uuid is better |
| 11:59.31 | niels1 | rozie, yes, but it didn't work when i just tried it |
| 11:59.32 | UukGoblin | niels1, ah, it is on LVM indeed |
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| 12:01.05 | UukGoblin | niels1, I might have added the swap "manually" after I installed the system... perhaps that's why it's missing from there |
| 12:01.26 | niels1 | UukGoblin, yes, that's likely |
| 12:01.26 | UukGoblin | thanks, I'm gonna try it out in a bit :-) |
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| 12:09.42 | UukGoblin | niels1, yay, restore worked. |
| 12:09.55 | UukGoblin | many thanks :-) |
| 12:10.11 | UukGoblin | however! so I put /dev/mapper/vg0-swap in there |
| 12:10.31 | UukGoblin | but when it booted up, it said it couldn't find a restore image in /dev/dm-2 (or something like that) |
| 12:10.37 | UukGoblin | and asked me to enter the path manually |
| 12:10.46 | UukGoblin | so I entered /dev/mapper/vg0-swap and then it worked ;-] |
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| 12:12.11 | ||oop | anyone know which version of iceweasel wheezy is currently running |
| 12:13.31 | UukGoblin | ||oop, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/iceweasel |
| 12:13.44 | themill | or /msg judd versions iceweasel |
| 12:14.17 | UukGoblin | 10.0.10esr-1, to answer your question |
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| 12:14.50 | ||oop | thanks forgot about judd |
| 12:15.37 | ||oop | do any of you work on the installer |
| 12:15.58 | ||oop | for debian |
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| 12:17.28 | ||oop | and is there a place where i can find out how the apt-get repository database is setup |
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| 12:19.29 | themill | ||oop: http://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat, but you'd use a tool like reprepro to build the repo, so such details are hidden away from you. (/msg dpkg own repo) |
| 12:19.40 | ||oop | and does anyone have any insight on how i can view the contents of the /opt dir |
| 12:20.02 | themill | ||oop: ls |
| 12:20.07 | niels1 | UukGoblin, hmm, that's strange. did you edit the file with an editor and did it happen to leave a backup file behind, like "resume~"? i'm not sure whether the initramfs properly skips files like that |
| 12:20.09 | ||oop | yeah im curious about the parts that are hidden away |
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| 12:20.42 | ||oop | if i understand it correctly from wikipedia apt is currently using a topological scheme for determining dependecies |
| 12:21.05 | ||oop | ls isnt working for me on /opt |
| 12:21.08 | ||oop | as root |
| 12:21.21 | ||oop | u get , ,, |
| 12:21.22 | themill | dpkg: tell ||oop about doesn't work |
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| 12:24.12 | themill | ||oop: /opt would be empty unless you have manually installed stuff into it. |
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| 12:24.48 | UukGoblin | niels1, I edited it with vim, and I don't see any backup files right now - and I'm 99% sure I switched that vim off before suspending |
| 12:25.01 | UukGoblin | in any case, an .swp file would be unreadable to it I think |
| 12:25.04 | ||oop | i can see 22 folders in the file manager but the dirs arent showing up in shell or window |
| 12:25.44 | UukGoblin | niels1, I suspect it update-initramfs detected / changed vg0-swap into dm-2 at initrd-creation-time? |
| 12:25.55 | UukGoblin | and then at boot-time dm-2 was something different? |
| 12:25.56 | niels1 | UukGoblin, but it may try to source it if it finds it in its directory |
| 12:26.18 | niels1 | UukGoblin, i think it doesn't try to detect anything at update-initramfs-time |
| 12:26.43 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 12:26.52 | ws2k3 | how should i configure my firewall if i only want to be able to send out mail |
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| 12:26.59 | ws2k3 | i want my smtp server to be closed from outside |
| 12:27.23 | ||oop | outbound ports 110, 25 |
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| 12:27.42 | ws2k3 | so incoming i need to block 110 and 25 ? |
| 12:27.56 | ||oop | no incoming is uhh |
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| 12:28.05 | UukGoblin | niels1, in the extracted initrd, I see this in etc/uswsusp.conf: resume device = /dev/dm-2 |
| 12:28.50 | ws2k3 | because i got this : http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=95.211.63.180 |
| 12:29.01 | ws2k3 | my mail server is on a spamlist |
| 12:29.31 | UukGoblin | niels1, worth noting, my /dev/mapper/vg0-swap is a symlink pointing to ../dm-2 |
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| 12:29.55 | niels1 | UukGoblin, oh, i see, i did it without uswsusp. had some problems with that package in the past |
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| 12:30.01 | ||oop | you may also want ports for imap |
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| 12:30.28 | niels1 | UukGoblin, you might try to configure uswsusp.conf, too, and then update-initramfs, or you might try without it |
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| 12:31.26 | ||oop | blocking ports wont help you get off of spamlist |
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| 12:32.54 | nkuttler | ws2k3: that ip isn't blocked any more |
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| 12:33.01 | niels1 | UukGoblin, hibernation from XFCE works fine for me without those fancy packages, just pm-utils and the very basic stuff |
| 12:33.14 | nkuttler | ws2k3: are you on some dynamic ip or..? |
| 12:33.34 | UukGoblin | niels1, I think I have both uswsusp and pm-utils installed. I'll be back in about an hour, have to run now, sorry |
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| 12:51.12 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 12:51.20 | ws2k3 | but hotmail is stll blocking us |
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| 12:53.15 | Trixboxer | Hi, can some one help me with debian 5 net installcd ? |
| 12:53.24 | Trixboxer | Im unable to locate it from sites or mirrors |
| 12:53.28 | ws2k3 | dont ask to ask just ask |
| 12:53.30 | Trixboxer | all I find is 6.0.6 |
| 12:53.37 | ws2k3 | what you would want 5 |
| 12:54.01 | Trixboxer | ws2k3: Im sorry but I dint understand your question |
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| 12:54.14 | ws2k3 | what are you looking for debian 5 |
| 12:54.17 | ws2k3 | why* |
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| 12:54.33 | plm | Hi all |
| 12:54.47 | floogy | Hi, my vserver ran out of space. apt-get clean didn't solve the issue. /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin* contains 500M. What's the benefit of that pkgcache.bin? |
| 12:54.49 | Trixboxer | I need older version as thats compatible with xen mem ballon |
| 12:55.54 | floogy | Is it save to delete the pkgcache.bin* files and folders? |
| 12:55.57 | plm | people, how I pass username and password in lynx, links or links2? in chrome I use just http://username:pass@192.168.0.1 |
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| 12:57.29 | plm | I would like just access a page to set a configuration.. like this: http://192.168.0.23/cgi-bin/Param.cgi?action=update&transmit=1 |
| 12:57.57 | plm | So maybe other application can to that better than links/lynx, but I need to pass username/password to url.. |
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| 12:59.21 | niels1 | floogy, generally it's safe to delete files in /var/cache/ (when the affected program isn't currently running), but always leave the directory structure in place. pkgcache.bin will probably be recreated on subsequent apt/aptitude runs, tho |
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| 13:00.22 | floogy | niels1, Hm, why diodn't apt-get clean deleted them? http://lists.debian.org/deity/2011/11/msg00107.html |
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| 13:01.18 | Shoya | hello, how can i know what version of debian am i running? |
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| 13:01.33 | ectospasm | Shoya: lsb_release -a |
| 13:01.47 | ectospasm | Shoya: or, cat /etc/issue |
| 13:01.54 | Shoya | ah ok, found it, thanks |
| 13:02.23 | Shoya | man i forgot |
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| 13:02.44 | Shoya | ah right, i only had to use nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:02.58 | simonlnu | floogy: do you have logrotate installed? |
| 13:03.07 | niels1 | floogy, apt-get clean is only for /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
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| 13:03.19 | UukGoblin | niels1, ah, right, yes. /dev/dm-2 was in plain /etc/uswsusp.conf too, that should fix it now |
| 13:03.21 | ectospasm | Shoya: that's one way to do it as well |
| 13:03.27 | UukGoblin | thanks! |
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| 13:03.48 | floogy | niels1, reading bug #650513 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650513 |
| 13:03.49 | niels1 | UukGoblin, you're welcome :) don't forget to update-initramfs, tho ;) |
| 13:04.01 | UukGoblin | yup :-) |
| 13:04.09 | Shoya | i mean, i'm going to modify sources.list so i can download non-free flash player, then i have to umm...create a cron task for a weekly check for updates |
| 13:04.24 | Shoya | if i remember correctly, that's what ToeTag said |
| 13:04.31 | floogy | simonlnu, yes, I have to check if it works also on /home/user/www/logs |
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| 13:05.43 | Shoya | ectoplasm, to get the non-free flash player, i had to add the words "contrib non-free" next to each main, right? |
| 13:05.45 | ectospasm | Shoya: beware of automatic updates... do you use squeeze/stable? |
| 13:05.53 | ectospasm | Shoya: that is correct |
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| 13:06.22 | Shoya | umm, i don't know if i'm using automatic updates, how can i check that ectospasm? |
| 13:06.29 | Trixboxer | ws2k3: any ideas where I can get it ? |
| 13:06.36 | floogy | niels1, you're right. apt-get behaves different to the related bug report and no longer deletes package.bin files # apt-get --dry-run clean |
| 13:06.36 | floogy | Del /var/cache/apt/archives/* /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/* |
| 13:06.56 | ectospasm | Shoya: if you don't know, you probably aren't. I'd be wary of running a cron job for updates. |
| 13:07.02 | Shoya | oh ok |
| 13:07.05 | plm | anyone? |
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| 13:07.52 | Shoya | so i guess, i would have to do it manually, every week, i guess? |
| 13:08.14 | ectospasm | Shoya: is this a desktop machine? Use update-notifier is so |
| 13:08.18 | ectospasm | s/is/if/ |
| 13:08.34 | Shoya | i'm currently running it on VirtualBox |
| 13:08.38 | Shoya | on a laptop |
| 13:08.58 | niels1 | floogy, if you have a little space left, consider installing ncdu, it's an ncurses program for interactively browsing your filesystem by used space. so you can easily see where the space is used up and even delete it from the interface |
| 13:09.32 | ectospasm | Shoya: that didn't answer my question |
| 13:10.17 | Shoya | it's on a laptop, i answered, just that i said on another line |
| 13:10.41 | Shoya | i forget to write your nick before answering, or while answering ectospasm |
| 13:10.44 | floogy | niels1, thank you for that hint. I already installed durep. I'll give it a try. _The bug isn't solved in squeeze. There is no fix for apt-get in squeeze to delete those files with apt-get clean. |
| 13:10.56 | ectospasm | Shoya: no, that didn't answer my question. You're using a VirtualBox VM, but you didn't state whether you're using a DE in that VM |
| 13:11.02 | Shoya | oh |
| 13:11.09 | Shoya | yes, using KDE |
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| 13:11.20 | floogy | niels1, "They are files left behind by died apt processes" |
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| 13:12.21 | Shoya | more like i didn't understood your question ectospasm, i thought you were referring to the type of computer i had |
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| 13:12.22 | niels1 | floogy, yes, i read the bug report :) you can safely delete them |
| 13:12.28 | floogy | niels1, apt-get is died on configuring locales-all due to lack of memory. Therefore the left overs of the aptitude full-upgrade of ~500M |
| 13:13.00 | ectospasm | Shoya: I can see why you thought that. |
| 13:13.11 | ectospasm | I should have said DE instead of "desktop machine" |
| 13:13.31 | niels1 | floogy, isn't locales-all a bit heavy on disk space? maybe you should try with just locales and select only the locales you actually want |
| 13:14.08 | Shoya | yes, anyway, so i write "update-notifier" on the command line? or do i have to write some arguments as well? |
| 13:14.22 | ectospasm | Shoya: aptitude show update-notifier |
| 13:14.35 | niels1 | floogy, ah, excuse me. read the description now, seems it's the other way round ;) |
| 13:14.38 | ectospasm | ...I don't know if it has KDE hooks |
| 13:15.09 | Shoya | says, it's not installed, it's on gnome section |
| 13:15.48 | ectospasm | Shoya: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html |
| 13:15.54 | Shoya | they recommend, apport-gtk, synaptic, software-properties-gtk, anacron; Suggests: ubuntu-system-service |
| 13:16.05 | floogy | niels1, it was the package that didn't make it on setting up/configure. Therefor it stopped the aptitude clean up, because it failed. |
| 13:16.10 | ectospasm | Shoya: is this debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 13:16.31 | Shoya | debian 6.0.6 |
| 13:16.42 | Shoya | but that's what the aptitude show update-notifier said |
| 13:16.43 | floogy | I hope it will make it now. |
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| 13:19.17 | floogy | niels1, Yes it workesd after rm -rf /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin* |
| 13:19.38 | floogy | I have to look into my web logs and logrotate. |
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| 13:21.08 | ectospasm | Shoya: like I said, I don't know how well that integrates with KDE |
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| 13:22.15 | gnugr | Shoya:for kde you can get "apper" 'apt-get install apper' |
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| 13:30.55 | drhouse123 | hi! I bought new gfx card, it is 630 gt, and if I install debian 6. will nouveau recognize proper resolution or I need switch to vesa? |
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| 13:38.22 | Shoya | gnugr: apper? i will do that, and will tell the results when i come back |
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| 13:39.24 | Shoya | if i do "apt-get install (app1) (app2) (app3)" it fetchs them without issue, right? |
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| 13:39.41 | gnugr | Shoya:apper works as update-notifier and as software-center on KDE |
| 13:40.02 | babilen | drhouse123: That card should be supported by the (proprietary) nvidia driver in backports -- For that you want to enable backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and install the nvidia driver from there. That can be done by installing kernel headers for your kernel and running "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" and then create a configuration file with "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My ... |
| 13:40.08 | babilen | ... GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
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| 13:41.05 | floogy | hm, I can't get the logs under /home/floogy/www/logs rotated |
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| 13:41.19 | babilen | drhouse123: I can't really tell you if nouveau supports that card, but the version in squeeze will (almost definitely) not support it. You might have more luck with the version in wheezy, but I can't tell you that. Ask in #nouveau and check the version of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in wheezy (/msg judd v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau) |
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| 13:41.37 | babilen | drhouse123: Ah, that got broken up. See "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" for the factoid for squeeze |
| 13:42.08 | floogy | I copied the lighttpd under /etc/logrotate to lighttpd_mome and edited the path and started logrotate |
| 13:42.22 | floogy | logrotate -dfv /etc/logrotate.conf 2> logrotate.out |
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| 13:43.47 | floogy | it containes lines like removing old log /home/floogy/www/logs/2012/09/g2.floogy.de.access.log.13.gz |
| 13:44.25 | floogy | but there is no g2.floogy.de.access.log.13.gz, but the old g2.floogy.de.access.log |
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| 13:45.25 | floogy | So, it didn't rotated like it reported. Is that a dry run? |
| 13:45.53 | gnugr | floogy:you might want to check at /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 13:46.14 | floogy | gnugr, ?? |
| 13:46.27 | mang0 | Hey. I just followed this page http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53256&p=307072#p307103 to create a squeeze flash drive installer, but when I go to boot from it (after selecting debian in UNetbootin, then manually copying the ISO over, as the post says) upon boot I get an error in POST: "Boot Error". What'm I doing wrong? |
| 13:46.36 | mang0 | Created it on Win XP, by the way. |
| 13:47.00 | floogy | gnugr, I just want to rotate my 170M logs under /home/floogy/www/logs |
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| 13:48.39 | babilen | floogy: Would you mind pasting the output, configuration and other information to http://paste.debian.net ? I always find it much easier to help people if I can actually see what they are trying to summarise myself. |
| 13:48.53 | babilen | floogy: Are *other* log files rotated correctly? |
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| 13:56.10 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 13:56.21 | ws2k3 | is it possible to set a network traffic speed |
| 13:56.33 | ws2k3 | for example all connection cannot be higher then 250 kb's |
| 13:56.50 | hetOrakel | rudi_s: can you remember my question from tonight? with IPTABLES redirect i can only redirect to localhost.... |
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| 13:57.25 | mang0 | If I use UNetbootin to put the CD 1 ISO onto a memory stick, will it work as an installer? |
| 13:57.54 | reiru | ws2k3: do you want to do it for a given program or an entire network interface? |
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| 13:59.00 | f_droopy | ws2k3: You could look into the netem kernel module |
| 13:59.10 | reiru | In the first case, look for the "trickle" program. In the second case, for the "netem" kernel module. |
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| 14:02.00 | floogy | babilen http://pastie.org/5365744 |
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| 14:03.13 | floogy | babilen, previous log /home/floogy/www/logs/2012/03/lighttpd-error.log.1 does not exist |
| 14:03.33 | floogy | Indeed, there is only a /home/floogy/www/logs/2012/03/lighttpd-error.log |
| 14:03.47 | floogy | also there are no zipped ones |
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| 14:04.11 | uiopqwer | i have a pcf.gz font file and i want to install it. do i just need to move it to /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, run "fc-cache -fv" and then "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config"? or should i create a new directory under /usr/share/fonts/ or what? :) |
| 14:04.47 | floogy | the command to invoke logrotate was logrotate -dfv /etc/logrotate.conf 2> logrotate.out |
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| 14:06.37 | ws2k3 | can i n ot have a default max disk space for pure-ftpd |
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| 14:06.43 | ws2k3 | wihout virtual partitions |
| 14:06.48 | ws2k3 | just by size of the dir ? |
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| 14:11.03 | floogy | babilen, others seems to be NOT rotated too http://pastie.org/5365770 http://pastie.org/5365780 |
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| 14:11.17 | Tehnix | Hey, can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with this format? (from a bash script) |
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| 14:11.21 | Tehnix | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --make-pidfile --pidfile ${PIDFILE} --exec ${DAEMON} -- ${DAEMON_OPTS} |
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| 14:11.54 | Tehnix | DAEMON being the process and DAEMON_OPTS being it's arguments... atm the process responds it doesn't see the arguments :/ |
| 14:12.34 | _tremo | space between -- and ${ |
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| 14:13.14 | floogy | babilen, so maybe it's not possible to invoke that logrotate manually? |
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| 14:14.36 | floogy | I omitted just options -d and -v, without success. 103M /home/floogy/www/logs/2012 |
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| 14:17.50 | Tehnix | _tremo: meaning -- ${DAEMON_OPTS} should be --${DAEMON_OPTS} ? |
| 14:18.12 | _tremo | Tehnix: correct |
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| 14:18.21 | Tehnix | will try :) |
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| 14:24.56 | mang0 | How do I create a USB Flash Drive installation of Debian Squeeze? I've followed a few guides online, none of them worked.... |
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| 14:26.06 | mang0 | I've tried downloading the cd 1 iso file, and using UNetbootin on windows xp to place the file onto the flash drive. I've tried using UNetbootin's built in download-and-install for debian, and then putting the iso on...still nothing |
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| 14:29.14 | floogy | babilen, Ok, something happened. It created log.1 files and empty log files |
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| 14:30.07 | floogy | I think I have to use -f option only to invoke logrotate manually. |
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| 14:34.48 | floogy | mang0, did you changed the boot order to boot from uusb pendrives? |
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| 14:36.06 | shadow_fox | does anyone know how the pandora app checks whether you are from us or not? based on ip or the device registered to which country? |
| 14:36.19 | shadow_fox | sorry wrong room |
| 14:37.11 | mang0 | floogy: Yes. It boots fine, I installed netinstall yesterday, but due to driver problems, need to do the full install... |
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| 14:37.59 | floogy | mang0, so what's your problem? |
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| 14:38.51 | mang0 | floogy: How do I actually create the Flash Drive installer? I've tried downloading squeeze CD1 iso, and using unetbootin to copy it over, but I get an error in POST when I try to boot from taht. |
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| 14:39.24 | floogy | mang0, What error do you get there? |
| 14:40.04 | mang0 | floogy, after memory checks and drive detection, I just get a message saying "Boot error" |
| 14:40.23 | mang0 | I'm certain it's not a BIOS problem, because I installed an OS off this USB stick yesterday |
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| 14:41.41 | floogy | Is that a linux kernel message? I doubt that. It seems that the bios can't find a boot code on the selected drive, hm. |
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| 14:41.53 | mang0 | Indeed |
| 14:42.01 | thomas`- | Hey everyone. What would be the best way to install Node.js |
| 14:42.02 | mang0 | The drive is formatted to FAT32, with boot flag. |
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| 14:44.11 | floogy | mang0, so it doesn't load any bootcode, grub, isolinux or whatever. Then you might try to copy it again. Maybe you'll try to use a different tool, not unetbootin. Or you selected the wrong boot sequence in your bios. |
| 14:44.55 | mang0 | floogy: It's not the boot sequence, and I've tried copying it over again already |
| 14:45.15 | mang0 | I guess I'll need to use a different tool - but just to note, it is the right file, yes? the CD1 iso |
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| 14:45.27 | drhouse123 | babilen: thanks for answers |
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| 14:46.25 | thomas`- | has the command "add-apt-repository" changed? |
| 14:46.28 | floogy | mang0 try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows |
| 14:46.28 | thomas`- | I cant find it |
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| 14:46.49 | mang0 | floogy: You mean with the Ubuntu ISO? |
| 14:46.56 | mang0 | Or just the method |
| 14:47.55 | floogy | mang0 or, if you want to create it under debian consider to use "startup disk creator". And no, just use the debian iso file. |
| 14:48.26 | mang0 | floogy: I wish I could create it under debian, but alas I'm not running debian at the moment! |
| 14:48.28 | floogy | Allthough I just don't know the "startup disk creator" |
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| 14:48.59 | floogy | mang0 what are you running then? |
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| 14:49.45 | mang0 | floogy: Windows XP on this computer, Windows 7 on the one that's for debian, and a useless debian minimal install |
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| 14:50.26 | floogy | "startup disk creator" -> A couple of tools: http://www.startupdiskcreator.com/ |
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| 14:52.48 | gnugr | thomas`-:nodejs exists on sid, what debian version you're on |
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| 14:53.25 | thomas`- | gnugr, how do i check the version? |
| 14:53.34 | floogy | mang0, If you're running windows consider to try Universal USB Installer – Easy as 1 2 3 http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button like recommendet for ubuntu by ubuntu.com. |
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| 14:53.55 | thomas`- | i rememberd |
| 14:53.57 | floogy | *recommended |
| 14:54.11 | thomas`- | gnugr, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:54.13 | mang0 | floogy: Yeah, I'm trying it now |
| 14:54.17 | MrAvoch | like https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151221539449931&set=a.10151219621549931.469453.24428334930&type=1&theater |
| 14:54.53 | thomas`- | gnugr, what exactly does sid mean and how can I add it to my system. please let me know |
| 14:54.57 | gnugr | thomas`-:i have '0.6.19~dfsg1-5 |
| 14:54.59 | floogy | mang0, good luck then. I had success once I used that tool. |
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| 14:55.14 | thomas`- | gnugr, wow man you should upgrade |
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| 14:55.59 | thomas`- | it could be vulnerable to security issues |
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| 14:56.01 | mang0 | floogy: It doesn't seem to be showing me the iso files....gr. Ah well, I'm sure i'll get there eventually! Thanks :) |
| 14:56.14 | floogy | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 14:56.36 | floogy | Quote "The current released versions of Debian Install images and Debian Live images are built using isohybrid techniques, which means using them with a USB key is simple and easy, using "dd". See the Debian CD FAQ for more information" |
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| 14:56.49 | floogy | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 14:57.36 | floogy | You can simply do it this way from your debian pc dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync |
| 14:58.02 | thomas`- | Can someone please help me add 'ppa:chris-lea/node.js' to my sources. What is the proper way to do it |
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| 14:58.13 | mang0 | Gr why didn't I try dd in the first place...*sigh* |
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| 14:58.28 | mang0 | okay, well if this usb installer program doesn't work, I'll use dd |
| 14:58.33 | floogy | mang0, after dmesg | grep scsi -A 3 to find out what device is the pendrive |
| 14:58.46 | mang0 | floogy: yeah |
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| 14:58.59 | mang0 | I just plugged it in and ran dmesg last time I did this |
| 14:59.04 | mang0 | was the latest result |
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| 15:00.25 | gnugr | thomas`-:there is no newer version ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nodejs/ |
| 15:01.26 | gnugr | thomas`-:are you sure you run debian? |
| 15:01.33 | thomas`- | gnugr, so i should just download and install nodejs_0.6.19~dfsg1-5_i386.deb |
| 15:01.52 | thomas`- | Im certain |
| 15:02.02 | gnugr | okay, tho |
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| 15:02.58 | thomas`- | I also need the npm |
| 15:03.05 | thomas`- | wonder if these packages have it |
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| 15:04.15 | gnugr | thomas`-: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/npm/ |
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| 15:05.32 | thomas`- | hvala |
| 15:05.57 | gnugr | thomas`-:npm also exists on sid |
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| 15:10.30 | thomas`- | hm yeah |
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| 15:12.30 | floogy | mang0, a tool that might work under windows is physdiskwrite: http://m0n0.ch/wall/physdiskwrite.php |
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| 15:13.16 | mang0 | nice one, thanks floogy. I'm about to try this one made with the usb universal installer thing. |
| 15:14.34 | mang0 | it works! booted up, installing now |
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| 15:16.39 | floogy | mang0 the pendrivelinux.com tool "Universal USB Installer" woked for you? nice ;) |
| 15:16.45 | safridzal | is it just me who cannot find the right setting or KDE is slower than gnome2 ?? glxgears on gnome2 (ati+fglrx) is ~8000 fps, but on KDE i only get ~4000. I have disable all the checkbox on effect and also disable animation on oxygen-settings. running debian testing here Any other suggestion? |
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| 15:19.28 | mang0 | floogy: Yeah, partitioning now :) |
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| 15:20.55 | txomon | I have tried to make chainload with a debian squeeze and a debian etch, and didn't succeed. Any help on that? I don't get the way |
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| 15:23.03 | txomon | moreover, I later did just without chainloading, using squeeze's grub, and it worked, but I upgraded to wheezy and it broke |
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| 15:23.29 | nyuszika7h | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex: MD5Sum mismatch |
| 15:23.29 | nyuszika7h | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/experimental/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex: MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 15:24.37 | nyuszika7h | any idea? |
| 15:25.06 | txomon | nyuszika7h, try to open that in the explorer |
| 15:25.17 | nyuszika7h | what explorer? |
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| 15:25.33 | txomon | chrome, chromium-browser, firefox, iceweasel |
| 15:25.37 | txomon | browser* |
| 15:25.37 | jhutchins_wk | I think txomon is thinking Windows, he means a web browser. |
| 15:25.55 | nyuszika7h | eh |
| 15:26.03 | nyuszika7h | this is a headless server |
| 15:26.10 | txomon | nyuszika7h, that is the point |
| 15:26.52 | nyuszika7h | txomon: how am I supposed to get Chrome or Firefox/Iceweasel on it? I'm not going to install X11. |
| 15:26.57 | nyuszika7h | it's a security risk. |
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| 15:27.09 | txomon | nyuszika7h, use lynx |
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| 15:27.21 | txomon | you can do it even in any other computer |
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| 15:27.35 | txomon | even in your phone (if you have smartphone) |
| 15:27.45 | epsilon | nyuszika7h: http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex <- i dont see such file eather |
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| 15:28.02 | epsilon | sure that a mirror server at all? |
| 15:28.14 | babilen | nyuszika7h: probably an outdated/inconsistent mirror you end up with -- try again a bit later -- Please come back if it persists and report which mirror you have problems with (to determine that use "/msg dpkg which http.debian.net") |
| 15:28.25 | babilen | !tell epsilon -about http.debian.net |
| 15:28.34 | nyuszika7h | 404 |
| 15:29.07 | epsilon | pah! geo-ip... |
| 15:29.13 | txomon | babilen, does it exist http.debian.net? |
| 15:29.23 | epsilon | use static server and be happy instead of that roulette system |
| 15:29.23 | babilen | txomon: Does what exist? |
| 15:29.51 | txomon | babilen, just noticed it is a round-robin dns name |
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| 15:29.56 | babilen | epsilon: There are a variety of advantages of http.d.n over statically hardcoding specific mirrors. |
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| 15:35.51 | Armand | I've made my swap on a USB drive that's always plugged in.. the line is set in fstab, yet it won't enable on boot.. I have to 'swapon -a' to enable it. |
| 15:36.14 | Armand | Any ideas ? |
| 15:36.35 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: It's probably in the process of updating. |
| 15:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: lynx, curl, wget, many things can check URLs from the console, but the MD5Sum mismatch means the posted file doesn't match the posted MR5Sum, so the only thing to do is wait or try a different mirror. |
| 15:37.42 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: The files are there but they are incorrect. |
| 15:37.54 | jhutchins_wk | Not a question of host up/down. |
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| 15:38.50 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: This is because the drivers for the USB bus are not loaded when the system tries to enable swap. Putting them in the initramfs might help, but generally swap on flash (USB) is not a good idea. |
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| 15:39.16 | Armand | jhutchins_wk: I didn't say flash. |
| 15:39.32 | Armand | My main drive is flash, hence the USB drive. |
| 15:40.21 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: Can you enable it with the swapon command? |
| 15:40.27 | Armand | Yes |
| 15:40.59 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: Throw it in rc.local. You shouldn't need swap at boot anyway. |
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| 15:41.33 | Armand | I do need it enabled, I've only got 768MB RAM and it gets bogged down in KDE when I'm browsing. |
| 15:41.48 | Armand | And, it's a pain having to do it manually. |
| 15:42.01 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: Swapping to USB is going to be bogged down no matter what. |
| 15:42.14 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: So script it in rc.local. |
| 15:42.22 | Armand | It's better than being limited by the RAM. |
| 15:42.31 | Armand | ok |
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| 15:43.17 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: kde4 in 786M is an unhappy thing anyway. You might try xfce or lxde. |
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| 15:44.03 | Armand | Sadly, I'm an unhappy thing with those alternatives.. :( |
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| 15:44.22 | Armand | I'm looking at buying more RAM, but it's a hurdle at the moment. |
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| 15:45.18 | jhutchins_wk | Seriously, they are perfectly good DEs. Linus uses xfce. You don't need the bloated garbage that kde has tacked on to the system, what with three or four different indexing services and all kinds of daemons running. |
| 15:45.55 | Armand | Sorry to be blunt, I don't really care what Linus uses.. I'm not him. |
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| 15:46.30 | Armand | Besides that.. I may well try them. I just accustomed to KDE. |
| 15:46.36 | Armand | *I'm |
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| 15:46.43 | reiru | XFCE is a fine choice if you are low on RAM. |
| 15:46.56 | jhutchins_wk | Learn new things. It prevents brain rot. |
| 15:47.13 | Armand | That's why I bought a Pi. :P |
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| 15:47.23 | mang0 | in the debian graphical installer, how do I change the size of /, during disk partition? I selected to have a different /home partition, but I want to donate 10gb of /home to /... |
| 15:47.43 | mang0 | If you really want something light Armand, try openbox |
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| 15:48.26 | Armand | I really should look at alts.. -_- |
| 15:48.40 | safridzal | Armand: im using KDE, and it use 400Mb at start up.. i think 768 is ok for basic apps |
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| 15:51.03 | reiru | safridzal: 400 mb base + a modern webbrowser + irc client can probably fill all the ram. |
| 15:51.14 | reiru | Browsers tend to eat a ton of memory. |
| 15:51.35 | Armand | It does always seem to be the browser.. Youtube frequently bombs Xorg when I don't enable swap. |
| 15:52.24 | safridzal | yep, thats what i say with "basic apps" :D |
| 15:52.56 | Armand | Maybe I should just block Youtube on my router? :P |
| 15:52.59 | safridzal | ram is cheap nowadays, better upgrade it if you rally want to use KDE |
| 15:53.14 | Armand | DDR 400, SODIMM. |
| 15:53.20 | safridzal | lolol |
| 15:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | safridzal: Yeah, but some devices are limited. This netbook will only take 2G. |
| 15:53.25 | Armand | Yeah.. |
| 15:53.27 | jr99 | How much ram does he have? |
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| 15:53.45 | jhutchins_wk | jr99: 786. |
| 15:53.45 | Armand | jr99: 768MB on here. |
| 15:54.06 | jr99 | I vote for more ram :p |
| 15:54.20 | Armand | Feel free to buy me some. ;) |
| 15:54.49 | safridzal | mmm. i think its better to use lxde.. |
| 15:55.13 | safridzal | its not like KDE, but it will much snappier on your macine |
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| 15:55.29 | jelly | Armand: rpi is not a serious machine to run a desktop on |
| 15:55.31 | jr99 | If everyone in the channel donated 2 cents... you could get a few gigs |
| 15:55.38 | Armand | jelly: wrong machine, bud.. |
| 15:55.46 | jelly | indeed |
| 15:56.01 | Armand | My rPi is a webhost, headless.. and, fixed at 512MB RAM |
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| 15:56.23 | jelly | get something with 2GB at least, for todays browsers get cranky with less at some point |
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| 16:03.33 | peterS | Armand seems to be the target market for the x32 port |
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| 16:03.52 | peterS | I wonder how long until that is generally available and useful. It has been started. |
| 16:04.03 | engla | noscript does wonders for both cpu and memory usage |
| 16:04.29 | reiru | safridzal: just for comparison, I use XFCE. It takes about 100 mb of RAM after boot. About 400 if you add Chromium + irc client + music player. |
| 16:04.30 | peterS | (think amd64, but with 32-bit pointers, so each app only gets 4 GB of address space but uses a lot less RAM than a full 64-bit system.) |
| 16:04.42 | Armand | I have to concede to NOT running Youtube vids for now. :P |
| 16:05.16 | peterS | Armand: for youtube ... 'youtube-dl' + 'mplayer' work pretty well (: I'm not sure of mplayer's RAM requirements, though |
| 16:05.26 | Armand | Which would be less painful if I had my other system running. -_- |
| 16:05.57 | peterS | but at least mplayer, unlike a browser flash plugin, can be stopped or restarted without affecting anything but the video you are currently playing |
| 16:06.05 | reiru | I use cclive + mplayer for Youtube (it's similar to youtube-dl). |
| 16:06.08 | Armand | Yes.. |
| 16:06.38 | Armand | Still.. using that method will be murder on my flash drive. |
| 16:06.54 | Armand | Unless, it goes to the external. |
| 16:07.43 | mang0 | I've just finished installing debian, everything went fine, however now I can't boot. I get to POST, then when my POST says "Loading operating system: " the system reboots...it's like an infinite loop, and I'm not sure what to do...any ideas? |
| 16:08.01 | peterS | I've been quite unhappy with USB disks for serious use, btw. it's way too easy for one USB device to cause the whole bus to reset, causing all your mount points to fail, etc. |
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| 16:08.56 | peterS | (by 'serious use' I mean 3 or 4 disks on a single USB bus, all in active use. I really don't recommend it. even with USB3, or at least, with the USB3 cards we have at work.) |
| 16:09.44 | peterS | (also, some USB enclosures seem to support SMART and others not. I don't know what the difference is.) |
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| 16:10.57 | rozie | peterS: they do support SMART. sometimes additional parameter for smartctl is required |
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| 16:11.25 | rozie | (at least: most support, but not all out of the box) |
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| 16:11.40 | peterS | rozie: well, some of them work with smartctl without any special params. some, I can't get smartctl to work at all. |
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| 16:13.16 | rozie | peterS: did you try -d usbcypress ? |
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| 16:13.30 | Armand | peterS: I did learn (quite by my own stupidity) that it's bad to unplug the USB drive that holds swap. >_< |
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| 16:13.37 | peterS | Armand: heh |
| 16:13.52 | peterS | rozie: I don't remember trying that. next time I have a need to, I will try it. |
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| 16:14.08 | rozie | swap on usb? probably no point in such a thing |
| 16:14.17 | rozie | try zswap instead |
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| 16:15.03 | peterS | rozie: it's what he has. it's external USB or internal flash. |
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| 16:15.42 | jaaso | I am curious is ther any signs of emacs 24 in debian unstable ? |
| 16:16.00 | rozie | peterS: there's a way to have swap on compressed block device, in RAM |
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| 16:16.35 | rozie | swap over USB is probably useless, because it generates additional i/o |
| 16:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | rozie: swap in RAM is not intelligent. |
| 16:16.52 | peterS | yes, well, the whole _point_ of swap is to generate additional I/O |
| 16:16.58 | Armand | I have a Compact Flash 8GB as the OS drive and a 60GB HDD on USB. |
| 16:17.03 | rozie | but not on slow iface |
| 16:17.16 | rozie | jhutchins_wk: why? |
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| 16:17.29 | jhutchins_wk | rozie: The whole point of swap is to extend RAM. |
| 16:17.51 | rozie | jhutchins_wk: but it extends RAM. _compressed_ block device |
| 16:18.21 | Armand | In a low RAM situation, I doubt that's really efficient. |
| 16:18.27 | nemo | erm |
| 16:18.30 | nemo | there's one other point of swap |
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| 16:18.35 | nemo | in fact, the one that I use it more often for |
| 16:18.36 | nemo | hibernating |
| 16:18.37 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, the whole point of swap is rather obsolete. It's based on programs loading "large" blocks of code and/or data that they don't actively need. |
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| 16:18.40 | nemo | and doing that over USB is not crazy |
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| 16:18.45 | rozie | compressed data use 30-50% of original data |
| 16:18.49 | nemo | ok. maybe a little crazy |
| 16:18.53 | nemo | but not totally crazy! |
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| 16:19.13 | nemo | actually, I'd say that's the only thing I use swap for since I upgraded my RAM :) |
| 16:19.14 | Armand | nemo: Another reason I've connected the USB drive in the first place is to offload logging. |
| 16:19.14 | ShaggyTwoDope | shouldnt be option 0 |
| 16:19.18 | ShaggyTwoDope | but its usable |
| 16:19.35 | nemo | oh. right. probably tmpfs uses swap too if I unpack enough to /tmp |
| 16:19.45 | nemo | that's not completely uncrazy to do over USB either |
| 16:19.46 | rozie | so it is efficient even (especially) on low memory machines |
| 16:20.03 | nemo | guess the point is, swap isn't just about low ram situations anymore :) |
| 16:20.22 | nemo | s/uncrazy/crazy/ |
| 16:20.27 | ShaggyTwoDope | typicaly i dont even use much ram lol |
| 16:20.30 | rozie | nemo: I know. but we consider low memory case |
| 16:20.35 | nemo | ah. |
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| 16:20.46 | ShaggyTwoDope | swaps barely used >.< |
| 16:21.16 | rozie | TBH I have machine (Dockstar) with no zswap and swap on USB HDD |
| 16:21.18 | nemo | ShaggyTwoDope: I use a lot of RAM, but that's why I bought a lot of RAM. Either I'm doing something massive in GIMP (or running minecraft servers) orrr. the RAM is put to use caching my HD so stuff loads instantly |
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| 16:21.45 | ShaggyTwoDope | nemo: oh yeah i can dig that |
| 16:21.45 | nemo | ShaggyTwoDope: right now 11.5GiB of RAM are being used for caching stuff :D |
| 16:21.54 | rozie | but that's because of obsolete kernel, and the machine is remote (most of the time), so don't want to risk upgrade |
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| 16:21.59 | Armand | O_O |
| 16:22.03 | ShaggyTwoDope | but like if you do low crap |
| 16:22.10 | ShaggyTwoDope | swap's not even a need lol |
| 16:22.19 | ShaggyTwoDope | everyones dif :-p |
| 16:22.36 | gpm | Fresh install of squeeze. My pci wireless card's mac changes every reboot. Any ideas what the cause could be? Works fine otherwise. |
| 16:22.38 | nemo | hm. what does /tmpfs do if there's no swap partition - uses the root partition? |
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| 16:22.50 | nemo | I guess you could use ramfs, but that can be dangerous |
| 16:22.59 | nemo | esp in the very situations tmpfs would be resorting to swap |
| 16:23.45 | nemo | gpm: that sounds like a pretty cool feature to me :D |
| 16:23.55 | nemo | gpm: man, some people have to script that, and you get it for free :D |
| 16:23.59 | gpm | Lol |
| 16:24.17 | nemo | gpm: much better privacy when roaming :) |
| 16:24.36 | gpm | It's problematic when I try to automatically connect at home |
| 16:24.45 | nemo | gpm: oh yeesh. you use mac filtering? :-p |
| 16:24.46 | Yans | gpm: You're like Neo from Matrix now. |
| 16:24.49 | peterS | it is in fact probably a deliberate privacy feature |
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| 16:25.00 | nemo | gpm: mac filtering is completely bogus |
| 16:25.07 | gpm | It's a desktop, not a lot of roaming |
| 16:25.08 | nemo | oh. IP address. you want it to stay semi-fixed |
| 16:25.15 | Armand | sees gpm knocking on people's doors, using a different ID each time. :P |
| 16:25.21 | gpm | Exactly |
| 16:25.25 | nemo | gpm: in which case you should have defined a static range on your home network anyway :-p |
| 16:25.38 | nemo | gpm: and setup the profile for that network to use a static IP :-p |
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| 16:25.56 | nemo | gpm: I have the <20 and >200 as static on my network |
| 16:26.05 | gpm | Haha, loving the creative solutions |
| 16:26.08 | nemo | 10.0.0.0-19 and 10.0.0.200-255 |
| 16:26.15 | nemo | gpm: not creative. just cleaner :) |
| 16:26.20 | Armand | nemo: FYI, MAC filtering is perfectly acceptable to defeat most wannabe hackers. :P |
| 16:26.24 | nemo | Armand: naw. |
| 16:26.34 | nemo | Armand: even a WEP password is more effective |
| 16:26.36 | jhutchins_wk | 'scuse me, could we get back on topic and move chat to #deian-offtopic please? |
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| 16:26.43 | Armand | *Gguuuhhh.... Is be haxooring wid WinXP!! |
| 16:26.47 | peterS | 10.0.0.0/24, how boring. all those bits you get to choose and you choose 16 zeroes? |
| 16:26.55 | nemo | jhutchins_wk: supporting someone w/ a squeeze problem isn't on-topic? |
| 16:27.15 | nemo | peterS: less to type :-p |
| 16:27.15 | gpm | I'm just curious about why this is happening. I'm guessing it's a driver thing since reloading the module also results in a new mac |
| 16:27.28 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: What's the hardware? |
| 16:27.29 | nemo | gpm: I'm voting for defaulting to a privacy measure. |
| 16:27.42 | nvz | I love using 10.0.0.0 it is dead simple to type especially with a numberpad |
| 16:27.44 | peterS | nemo: but on a qwerty keyboard the . and 0 are both on the right hand, so 10.1.1 would be even easier to type |
| 16:27.54 | ShaggyTwoDope | gpm: you check out /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 16:28.03 | nemo | peterS: numpad. like nvz |
| 16:28.13 | ShaggyTwoDope | 70-persistent-net.rules i think is the file |
| 16:28.17 | gpm | Yeah been there. It's a rt61pci |
| 16:28.37 | peterS | moving my hand over to a numpad every time I type an IP address? no thanks (: |
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| 16:28.41 | nvz | on the numpad the 1, 0, ., and enter are all right there on the bottom right corner |
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| 16:28.59 | nvz | doesnt get any simpler than that |
| 16:29.16 | ShaggyTwoDope | gpm: so like |
| 16:29.22 | ShaggyTwoDope | your main card only one there? |
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| 16:29.54 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: realtek shouldnt be doing that, should be hard-coded in the firmware on the chipset. |
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| 16:30.24 | gpm | There's an onboard ethernet but I disabled it in bios |
| 16:30.40 | ShaggyTwoDope | well |
| 16:30.50 | gpm | jhutchins_wk: agreed |
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| 16:31.00 | ShaggyTwoDope | cant you specifify in the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:31.42 | gpm | Yes of course. Numerous solutions exist. I'm just wondering if it's my hardware or a driver issue |
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| 16:31.58 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: Redhat bug 469669 |
| 16:32.15 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: Which kernel are you running? |
| 16:32.36 | peterS | gpm: and also which wireless chip / module? |
| 16:32.39 | nemo | Armand: the nice thing about MAC filtering is you don't even need to "crack" the network. Just get a tiny amount of traffic then copy down a mac. |
| 16:33.18 | Armand | nemo: If you're assuming it's *only* MAC filtering, yes. |
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| 16:33.37 | peterS | a stable MAC is useful for more than just access control |
| 16:33.42 | Armand | Who in the hell ONLY has MAC filtering? :P |
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| 16:34.14 | gpm | peterS: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64, rt61pci |
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| 16:34.48 | nemo | Armand: if you have real security, then mac filtering is pointless. either they have your password (in which case if it doesn't work they'll quickly grab a mac) or they don't, in which case the mac doesn't help them at all |
| 16:34.56 | peterS | gpm: so not exactly a "fresh install of squeeze" then (: |
| 16:35.09 | gpm | Meant wheezy |
| 16:35.11 | nemo | Armand: It simply is an inconvenience to legitimate users and guests, and offers a false sense of security |
| 16:35.18 | gpm | Hung over |
| 16:35.31 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: Should be fixed in that version, was reported in 2008. |
| 16:35.35 | gpm | Didn't install drunk |
| 16:36.26 | gpm | jhutchins_wk: agreed |
| 16:36.31 | ShaggyTwoDope | weird testing will be jessie |
| 16:36.45 | ShaggyTwoDope | loved wheezy name so much :-p |
| 16:37.09 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: Apparently these devices cause the driver to read an invalid address and the fix is to use a randomly generated but valid one. |
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| 16:37.37 | gpm | :-/ bummer |
| 16:37.44 | gpm | Ok |
| 16:37.44 | Armand | nemo: Pros and Cons with most security arrangements. |
| 16:37.51 | peterS | ah so it's not a deliberate privacy feature - just a device / driver limitation |
| 16:37.55 | Armand | nothing is perfect. :P |
| 16:38.51 | gpm | Silly realtek |
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| 16:39.00 | nemo | Armand: offers no benefits. so all cons. Only use of mac filtering is if you want to restrict a physical drop by device. And even that isn't too useful if a device is plugged into the drop (like a desktop) where the MAC is often printed on the card. Might want to scrape that off, although no one bothered over here |
| 16:39.22 | jhutchins_wk | gpm: I don't know that there's a software solution for it, but I believe you can set an arbitrary but consistent mac address via interfaces. Don't think network-manager/wicd have the ability. |
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| 16:39.53 | Armand | nemo: I only use MAC for reserved IP addresses, that's it. :P |
| 16:39.55 | gpm | You can via interfaces |
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| 16:40.25 | ShaggyTwoDope | ironic lol |
| 16:40.39 | ShaggyTwoDope | gpm: some people would love do what your settup is |
| 16:40.43 | ShaggyTwoDope | without effort :-p |
| 16:40.49 | nemo | Armand: 'k. that's not really filtering.. well. depends what you mean by reserved I guess. oh well. whatever. just the whole "MAC filtering for security" thing needs to die. |
| 16:40.58 | nemo | ShaggyTwoDope: yeah :D I was like "how awesome" |
| 16:41.22 | gpm | Yeah my card is basically awesome |
| 16:41.36 | nemo | gpm: I don't suppose it would fit in a laptop |
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| 16:41.40 | Armand | nemo: I never used MAC filtering.. seems pointless in conjunction with WPA2. |
| 16:41.47 | gpm | Lol don't think so |
| 16:42.16 | Armand | I use reserved addresses so I don't have shifting IPs on my router. :P |
| 16:43.06 | Armand | It's a quick and easy cheat, rather than setting up fixed IPs manually. |
| 16:44.12 | nemo | Armand: eh. I setup static IPs on these machines long ago, and since I tend to migrate linux w/ dd + nc, using mac would actually be a bit less convenient over time. but then, small network... |
| 16:44.31 | peterS | right, likewise if you want a stable IP via stateless autoconfig |
| 16:44.51 | peterS | though I believe the Linux kernel defaults to privacy mode in which your stateless IP is semi-random |
| 16:44.55 | Armand | This is only at home.. I don't really care to setup a fully static IP for everything. Most of the hardware isn't mine. |
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| 16:45.37 | Armand | My laptop and Pi both have MAC reserved IPs, just to take out the thought process of what's on what IP. |
| 16:46.04 | Armand | Everything else uses DHCP from the router. |
| 16:46.08 | aschro | 11 |
| 16:46.12 | Armand | 12 |
| 16:46.14 | nemo | yeah. my SO is on her 3rd laptop migrated using dd + nc. static IP. |
| 16:46.22 | aschro | Sorry :) |
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| 16:48.04 | gpm | Thanks guys |
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| 16:49.10 | simonlnu | peterS: except for lo yep |
| 16:50.02 | simonlnu | lo gets privacy mode disabled auto |
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| 16:50.23 | peterS | heh, not much point in changing ::1 randomly, is there |
| 16:50.29 | simonlnu | nope =) |
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| 16:51.02 | simonlnu | hm, random ::1, let's see, how about ::1 instead? :P |
| 16:51.17 | peterS | "pick a random number between 1 and 1" |
| 16:51.28 | simonlnu | "integers only" |
| 16:51.36 | simonlnu | :P |
| 16:51.40 | Shadow` | no strings? :( |
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| 16:51.54 | peterS | "pick a 1-bit number and it can't be zero." |
| 16:52.06 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 16:52.30 | Armand | zaps peterS with a -1 |
| 16:52.53 | peterS | Armand: what's that over on the left, a sign bit? where'd you get a sign bit? |
| 16:53.12 | Armand | Ohh, sorry.. it's a tri-state processor. :P |
| 16:53.16 | Shoya | gnugr: says it doesn't locate the package apper, any reasons as to why? |
| 16:53.28 | simonlnu | Armand: heh |
| 16:54.15 | peterS | off to ... I dunno ... get real work done |
| 16:55.09 | gnugr | Shoya:what debian version you run? |
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| 16:55.19 | gnugr | ,v apper |
| 16:55.19 | Shoya | 6.0.6 squeezy |
| 16:55.20 | judd | Package: apper on i386 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-4; sid: 0.7.2-5 |
| 16:55.29 | Shoya | squeeze* amd64 |
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| 16:56.07 | gnugr | Shoya:check if it exists with backports |
| 16:56.17 | Shoya | backports? |
| 16:56.25 | gnugr | ,checkbackport apper |
| 16:56.29 | judd | Backporting package apper in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: kde-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.8), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.8), libdebconf-kde-dev, liblistaller-glib-dev (>= 0.5.4), libpackagekit-qt2-dev (>= 0.7.4), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14). |
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| 16:57.50 | gnugr | !tell Shoya -about bpo |
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| 17:02.34 | Shoya | gnugr, would it be apper-appsetup? |
| 17:04.08 | gnugr | Shoya:did see what the bot says? |
| 17:04.13 | Shoya | yes |
| 17:04.22 | Shoya | i went to the page |
| 17:04.31 | Shoya | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apper |
| 17:05.03 | Shoya | the one i find to be the closest one would be "apper-appsetup" |
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| 17:05.28 | gnugr | did you add backport to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:05.32 | Shoya | yes |
| 17:05.38 | Shoya | did apt-get update as well |
| 17:05.38 | n2diy | do I understand this correctly, Thunderbird is now Icedove, and I should restore my stuff to ~/.icedove. And Firefox is now Iceweasel, and I should restore that stuff to ~/.mozilla/firefox? |
| 17:05.49 | Shoya | well |
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| 17:06.09 | gnugr | Shoya:did you ran "apt-get update"? |
| 17:06.18 | gnugr | run* |
| 17:06.24 | Shoya | n2diy, since firefox and stuff are copyrighted, they changed the names as to not break any copyright things and stuff |
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| 17:08.19 | Shoya | n2diy, so now they are Iceweasel for Firefox, Icedove for Thunderbind, and IceApe for SeaMonkey |
| 17:08.27 | Shoya | and gnugr, yes i did |
| 17:08.49 | n2diy | Shoya, ok, thanks. |
| 17:08.51 | gnugr | Shoya:if you done with update try "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install apper" |
| 17:08.59 | simonlnu | !why iceweasel |
| 17:09.00 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 17:09.04 | Shoya | gnugr, i did that as well |
| 17:09.11 | gnugr | and? |
| 17:09.17 | Shoya | unable to locate package apper |
| 17:09.32 | Shoya | sorry, that was with apt-get |
| 17:09.50 | Shoya | with aptitude, it shows me the name of packages that have the word apper in their names |
| 17:09.51 | simonlnu | trademark, not copyright per se ;) |
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| 17:10.12 | Shoya | oh, right simonlnu, i couldn't remember the word exactly heh |
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| 17:10.33 | gnugr | that means not with backports either eh? |
| 17:10.44 | Shoya | nope |
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| 17:11.14 | Shoya | hmm, wonder what else would work |
| 17:11.17 | gnugr | Shoya:do you know anything about pinning? |
| 17:11.26 | Shoya | btw, what's up with wine and Debian? |
| 17:11.33 | Shoya | do they not like each other or something? |
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| 17:11.55 | Shoya | gnugr, as in Ping www.google.com? |
| 17:12.01 | gnugr | no |
| 17:12.03 | Shoya | then no |
| 17:12.15 | Shoya | but i can learn |
| 17:12.20 | gnugr | about apt-preferences |
| 17:12.38 | Shoya | nope |
| 17:12.43 | Shoya | then again, i'm new to this |
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| 17:15.30 | gnugr | Shoya:read this to get an idea http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 17:16.14 | gnugr | but do not do anything, just read it |
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| 17:16.32 | mang0 | I've been slaving, trying to get debian to install, and now I feel I'm really close. I've created a USB flash drive to install off, and I installed fine - only I couldn't boot, it got stuck on POST. So I removed grub and replaced it with LILO in the "recovery" part of the installation media, but now I only get TTY when I boot, and can't login as any user....gr. Any help greatly appreciated! |
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| 17:20.04 | spendythrift | mang0: if memory serves there is a bug with installing from usb, i think you have to umount at some point....i gave up and did an install from cd |
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| 17:20.20 | omani | Mem: 505580k total, 491832k used, 13748k free, 2080k buffers |
| 17:20.21 | omani | Swap: 2097148k total, 481944k used, 1615204k free, 12556k cached |
| 17:20.23 | omani | should I increase memory? |
| 17:20.40 | mang0 | spendythrift: I'm going to have to use a different distro then. I don't have an optical drive at the moment. |
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| 17:21.02 | DarKMode | omani yes you sould |
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| 17:21.28 | DarKMode | omani if you want better performence |
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| 17:22.17 | omani | my plack:handler is giving me errors quite while now. probably because of the swapping right? |
| 17:22.38 | omani | apache |
| 17:23.27 | omani | I would increase about 512MB. |
| 17:23.30 | omani | is this ok? |
| 17:24.02 | DarKMode | omani a server nerver need to use swap space . |
| 17:25.00 | DarKMode | omani 512 is good but more never hearts |
| 17:25.08 | omani | ok and how can I find out which process is swapping? |
| 17:27.04 | DarKMode | omani Run top then press 'O' (capital letter o) followed by 'p' then 'enter'. Now processes should be sorted by their swap usage. |
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| 17:28.40 | omani | ok thanks |
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| 17:30.03 | omani | ok now I'm getting e.g. 247m SWAP for mysqld in top. but top above says: swap: 0k used. |
| 17:30.07 | omani | how come? |
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| 17:31.51 | DarKMode | omani i need to see the output |
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| 17:32.08 | omani | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.13 | omani | Swap: 2097148k total, 0k used, 2097148k free, 89232k cached |
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| 17:32.28 | omani | swap is 0k used. but apache is 236m swapped |
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| 17:34.34 | karlpinc | omani: Programs can page code to their on-disk executable file. The code is unchanged and does not have to be written to disk. |
| 17:35.24 | engla | lots of files are memory mapped and backed by the real files on disk yeah |
| 17:35.27 | omani | well, then top's swap usage sorting is worthless? |
| 17:35.50 | omani | s/worthless/useless |
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| 17:38.57 | uiopqwer | i want gdm3 to run my xinitrc. should i make the /usr/share/xsessions/ desktop file execute /etc/X11/Xsession, symlink ~/.xsessionrc to ~/.xinitrc and then have my xinitrc run my window manager? |
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| 17:40.22 | unkmar | so, can someone tell me the proper way to do mouse cursor wrap around in gnome? When my cursor reaches the far left of my desktop I want it to reappear on the far right and vice versa. |
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| 17:44.08 | simonlnu | uiopqwer: just choose "Default" session in gdm3. don't need to mess with /usr/share/anything |
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| 17:44.14 | simonlnu | nor /etc/X11 |
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| 17:44.29 | unkmar | for now, I have hacked together use of xdotool in bash that checks cursor position every 2/10 a second. I was careful to place cursor at x = 1 instead of 0 and x = max-1 to avoid the unlikely infinite bouncey. |
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| 17:45.37 | uiopqwer | simonlnu: i tried that, but it launched a gnome 2 session, and not my xinitrc (which would have launched an xmonad session) |
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| 17:48.40 | simonlnu | symlink .xinitrc to .xsession |
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| 17:50.15 | alexbligh | I have an old system which has 'stable' in its sources.lst. I typed "aptitude update && aptitude uprade" and it is busy pulling a huge amount of stuff down (but has not yet installed anything). I ^Z'd it, and checked and it has 5.0/Lenny installed rather than Squeeze (arrgh). Is the best thing to let it proceed, or abort with ^C then go follow the upgrade procedure? |
| 17:50.28 | WDKevin | im running inside a VM and am experiencing what looks like a corrupt ext4 fs in a virtual disk. the disk mounts fine, unmounts fine, passes a fsck, but when i mount the disk and look at the directory, every file has a size of 0 bytes. can anyone help direct me on what to do next? |
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| 17:55.33 | alexbligh | WDKevin, before you do ANYTHING else, may a backupt copy of the virtual disk. There are rescue tools (not my field of expertise) but they are all to an extent destructive, so the very first thing is to keep a backup. |
| 17:56.03 | WDKevin | alexbligh, We have backups currently on hand |
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| 18:04.55 | ska | Is there a way to test a /etc/network/interfaces file without up/down the interfaces? |
| 18:07.29 | ska | http://paste.debian.net/208641/ |
| 18:07.49 | ska | I don't want eth0 to be assigned an address, but it needs to be up for xenbr0 |
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| 18:13.47 | simonlnu | alexbligh: "stable" points to squeeze right now. i'd suggest you a) read the squeeze release notes (/msg dpkg squeeze release notes in-channel) b) stay backgrounded until you do so ;) c) proceed once you're ready for it. |
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| 18:14.30 | Shoya | gnugr: so i read it |
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| 18:14.41 | ubuntu | hello |
| 18:14.44 | FlashDeluxe | hi @all! I got a question: Does anybody ever changed a kernel in a running system without rebooting? I heard about ksplice can do it for redhat, but i am searching for an open source tool which can do it with debian. Is there anything existing? |
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| 18:15.08 | ubuntufann | guys |
| 18:15.24 | ubuntufann | can tell me how to record a cd with music for a car |
| 18:16.18 | herrkey | what does your car like to listen to? |
| 18:16.35 | ubuntufann | i dont know if my car can read mp3 |
| 18:16.44 | ubuntufann | so how to record a cd ? |
| 18:16.49 | herrkey | brasero does it |
| 18:16.54 | Shoya | ubuntufann, your car can definitely read mp3 |
| 18:16.58 | Shoya | DEFFO |
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| 18:17.07 | herrkey | you might have to decode the files first |
| 18:17.10 | gnarface | wodim |
| 18:17.21 | ubuntufann | how to do that |
| 18:17.22 | ubuntufann | can u help me |
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| 18:17.37 | herrkey | lame does it |
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| 18:18.15 | herrkey | if you're using ubuntu, however, you might want to try ##ubuntu |
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| 18:19.07 | tables | how do i get the list of files installed for a package? |
| 18:19.10 | ubuntufann | yep im using kubuntu |
| 18:19.23 | simonlnu | #ubuntu that way >>> |
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| 18:19.45 | herrkey | I'm not sure, tables, but packages.debian.org shows you that |
| 18:20.28 | jelly-home | tables: for an installed package, dpkg -L packagename |
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| 18:23.01 | arvislacis | Is there a way how to re-enable disabled notification in libnotify? |
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| 18:24.08 | ubuntufann | some1 here know how to work with android? |
| 18:24.26 | herrkey | try #android |
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| 18:24.48 | arvislacis | Any help for me? |
| 18:24.50 | boudiccas | ubuntufann, you're not running Debian, please get your support from #ubuntu |
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| 18:25.23 | ubuntufann | ok allrdy do that |
| 18:25.28 | arvislacis | Where libnotify saves ignored notifications? |
| 18:25.29 | ubuntufann | i need a litte help with android |
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| 18:25.53 | gnugr | Shoya:can you please pastebin your output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 18:26.01 | boudiccas | ubuntufann, how many times do you have to be told? we ONLY support Debian, and nothing else |
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| 18:26.41 | ubuntufann | omg |
| 18:26.46 | ubuntufann | ur so angry |
| 18:26.56 | Shoya | omg, shut up :D |
| 18:27.03 | ubuntufann | some ppls here can know other things not only debian so some1 can help me :p |
| 18:27.10 | boudiccas | ubuntufann, not angry, frustrated at yoiur inability to understand |
| 18:27.23 | Shoya | ubuntufann, you should go over to #debian-offtopic then |
| 18:27.44 | ubuntufann | going ty Shoya |
| 18:27.55 | Shoya | not like it would help you |
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| 18:28.18 | arvislacis | It's easy to simple say: "Go to that channel and share your problem there" but not trying to help. |
| 18:29.29 | herrkey | Some topic pertain to some specific channels, arvislacis. |
| 18:29.41 | herrkey | topics* |
| 18:29.52 | Shoya | gnugr, how do i make the apt-cache policy output be dumped to pastebin, or to something i can copy&paste to pastebin? |
| 18:30.10 | arvislacis | Well, that is one of the biggest Linux problems - too many different distributions and other things. |
| 18:30.22 | gnugr | yes, http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:30.46 | Shoya | what did you expect arvislacis, it all forks from Unix |
| 18:30.54 | Shoya | if you have to blame someone, blame Unix |
| 18:31.05 | herrkey | That's all irrelevant. This channel is used for Debian-related stuff, not Android. |
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| 18:31.29 | arvislacis | I think that Linux users should start thinking about uniting together. |
| 18:31.39 | Shoya | like that would happen |
| 18:32.02 | Shoya | arvislacis, what would happen between Debian and Gentoo users? |
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| 18:32.25 | arvislacis | Nothing much but it will help for the new users. |
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| 18:32.54 | Shoya | but think about it |
| 18:33.10 | Shoya | debian and gentoo have waay different ways of handling packages |
| 18:33.45 | arvislacis | It's not only about packages or other specific things it's all about people. |
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| 18:34.35 | unkmar | He was pointed in the right direction and was too ignorant, either to realize it or, too lazy to search out what it meant. both brasero and wodim where mentioned. |
| 18:34.37 | simonlnu | arvislacis: this is channel policy. we only deal with debian. not derivatives, not "almost debian", just plain debian. |
| 18:34.38 | Shoya | but as i say, it's like wanting to unite the north and the south pole or north and south korea or something, i don't even know what i'm talking about anymore |
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| 18:35.04 | tziOm | Where can I find >3.3 kernel for squeeze? |
| 18:35.18 | simonlnu | arvislacis: if you have a problem with that, leave or be quiet. |
| 18:35.23 | unkmar | It is incredibly tiring to hand hold and for nothing more than a feather in the cap to say. "Weeee, I helped someone." |
| 18:35.34 | arvislacis | Actually I have problem with libnotify |
| 18:35.47 | simonlnu | handholding doesn't really help them either. |
| 18:35.57 | Shoya | gnugr: ah damn i forgot i was on cygwin |
| 18:36.02 | arvislacis | I just wanted to know where it saves ignored notifications? |
| 18:36.08 | simonlnu | arvislacis: so what's going on exactly? |
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| 18:36.41 | simonlnu | oh, maybe check ~/.cache/ ? i have no idea. i think they get discarded actually. |
| 18:36.49 | arvislacis | simonlnu: I disabled one of notification types and now want to enable it back but don't know where to start. |
| 18:36.58 | simonlnu | ah ok. in what? |
| 18:37.04 | unkmar | I'm curious what more appropriate way to do mouse wrap around. I know that my cobbled together bash using xdotool is a functional hack job. |
| 18:37.10 | simonlnu | what's the application? |
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| 18:37.46 | simonlnu | unkmar: i know enlightenment (e16) could do this, i haven't seen any others do it natively. |
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| 18:38.06 | adaminsull | Hi |
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| 18:38.12 | simonlnu | only thing i can think of is using 1 desktop |
| 18:38.29 | adaminsull | How do I delete a dir |
| 18:38.31 | alexbligh | simonlnu, thanks; I killed it (release notes say use apt-get not aptitude) and proceeded with that. It survived the kernel & udev upgrade so I'm guessing all is ok. |
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| 18:38.54 | unkmar | simonlnu: Thank you. So my use of xdotool is the correct way? Hmm. |
| 18:38.56 | Shoya | weird |
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| 18:39.22 | Shoya | gnugr: http://pastebin.com/vqwj7sFT |
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| 18:40.07 | kisisten_ | hi, is it possible to boot grub2 on xen domU? |
| 18:40.32 | Shoya | btw, anyone know how to properly install wine on debian 6.0.6 squeeze amd64 using KDE? |
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| 18:40.44 | alexbligh | kisisten_, in HVM mode, certainly. |
| 18:41.05 | kisisten_ | alexbligh: HVM mode? |
| 18:41.18 | alexbligh | kisisten_, as opposed to PV mode |
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| 18:42.02 | kisisten_ | alexbligh: I have no control over dom0, do I need to mod something in domU? |
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| 18:42.49 | simonlnu | alexbligh: alright |
| 18:43.14 | unkmar | I'm wondering how to notify from cli. |
| 18:43.20 | simonlnu | unkmar: probably one of the only easier ways without using something overly fancy like kwin |
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| 18:43.45 | alexbligh | kisisten_, is your kernel etc. being loaded from your disk (/boot etc.), or is it being loaded from a separate file? If the former, your are likely on HVM and it should work like any normal machine, though you need to be careful about PV drivers. If the latter (e.g. on EC2) you are in a different world and it will depend on what your dom0 provider is doing. |
| 18:46.36 | kisisten_ | alexbligh: i boot from /boot, but after I've installed grub2 on squeeze, I get this error during boot process >> http://pastebin.com/Ky3A3V8c |
| 18:46.56 | kisisten_ | pvgrub is the emulator |
| 18:47.22 | unkmar | apparently I use python-notify in some way. |
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| 18:48.59 | alexbligh | kisisten_, pvgrub implies PV mode not hvm. Essentially pvgrub is loading your kernel, not grub2 (grub2 sits at the start of the disk and is loaded by the BIOS. In PV mode pvgrub is run by Xen). In pvmode, I'd suggest you stick to pvgrub, which is in essence a grub replacement that works with PV xen. |
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| 18:49.15 | rrn | How does one change the umask for a desktop session? |
| 18:49.48 | alexbligh | kisisten_, it may be possible to run grub2 from pvgrub by some bizarre process of chain loading, multiboot etc., but it will be painful. |
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| 18:50.25 | sleepster | does debian have an *extra* secure package that I can install to harden debian? I'd like to use debian for online banking but I'd like to use it on a flash disk |
| 18:50.49 | sleepster | something to boot from so that when I do my banking, it runs independent of my usual OS so that it is safer |
| 18:50.49 | kisisten_ | alexbligh: so should I ask the dom0 guys to change the emulation to hvm? |
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| 18:50.58 | boudiccas | sleepster, apparmour? |
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| 18:52.02 | gnugr | Shoya:add to your "/etc/apt/sources.list" the line 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free' |
| 18:52.37 | sleepster | boudiccas, that would kinda work.. so I could install minimal debian install and then use apparmour to harden it |
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| 18:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | What does one use for a network-manager applet in xfce? |
| 18:53.53 | gnugr | Shoya:then 'nano /etc/apt/preferences' and copy this http://paste.debian.net/208656/ save it and do 'apt-get update' |
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| 18:53.57 | DarKMode | jhutchins_wk nm-applet |
| 18:55.18 | alexbligh | kisisten_, if grub2 is a 'must have', then yes. Or just stick with pv-grub/pygrub |
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| 18:55.43 | alexbligh | kisisten_, note that you may well need different kernels, etc., if you do that. |
| 18:56.06 | simonlnu | unkmar: it probably doesn't keep state then |
| 18:56.12 | kisisten_ | alexbligh: grub should be fine, I'm assuming grub legacy will still be here for a while |
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| 18:56.51 | alexbligh | kisisten_, I doubt it's going away any time soon as AFAIK you can't boot a normal EC2 machine without it. |
| 18:57.15 | alexbligh | but then I'm not a debian maintainer... |
| 18:57.24 | crypticmofo | hi all |
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| 18:58.04 | kisisten_ | thanks alexbligh for your help! |
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| 18:58.08 | jhutchins_wk | DarKMode:That's gonna suck in a lot of gnome, isn't it? |
| 18:58.31 | crypticmofo | im having a issue with my tackpad with squeeze and wheezy .. i really haven't had a fix to it .. my question now is can i use a alteranitive driver besides synaptics mouse driver ? |
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| 18:59.14 | unkmar | Looks like I just needed to install libnotify-bin |
| 18:59.23 | simonlnu | 'k |
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| 19:00.09 | Shoya | wait gnugr, should anything appear on /etc/apt/preferences? or is it a new file? |
| 19:00.14 | gnarface | crypticmofo: sometimes they work with the regular mouse driver with limited functionality... unfortunately touchpad support is still pretty weak in Linux overall. if you can't get synaptics to do what you want then the shortest path to a solution is probably to bribe the synaptics people to fix their shit |
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| 19:00.27 | gnugr | no it should be empty |
| 19:00.33 | Shoya | oh ok |
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| 19:03.20 | Shoya | gnugr: ok, i did apt-get update |
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| 19:03.57 | gnugr | Shoya:try now "apt-cache policy apper" to see if exists |
| 19:04.33 | Shoya | apper: installed: none |
| 19:04.45 | gnugr | but exists eh? |
| 19:04.51 | Shoya | i suppose? |
| 19:05.04 | Shoya | it's found on unstable/main amd64 packages |
| 19:05.08 | gnugr | install it tho |
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| 19:07.11 | Shoya | uhh |
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| 19:08.01 | nsadmin | if he's not running unstable, that might not be a good idea, if he wants to stay with the release he's running |
| 19:08.10 | Shoya | http://pastebin.com/Cm7j7nK8 |
| 19:08.17 | Shoya | @gnugr |
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| 19:08.27 | Shoya | woops |
| 19:08.30 | Shoya | wrong link |
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| 19:08.43 | Shoya | http://pastebin.com/Cmtj7nK8 @gnugr |
| 19:09.29 | sney | did gnugr just have you add sid sources to a squeeze system? |
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| 19:10.13 | n2diy | I'm trying to run icedove, and I'm getting a message it is all ready running and I need to stop it or restart the system. Killall icedove didn't work, and rebooting didn't either? |
| 19:10.53 | sney | probably some xulrunner weirdness |
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| 19:11.36 | gnugr | Shoya:try it with 'apt-get -t unstable install apper' |
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| 19:12.01 | gnugr | sney:we made a pinning |
| 19:12.52 | sney | gnugr: well obviously it's not good enough since there are conflicts |
| 19:12.58 | sney | Shoya: stop, don't do that |
| 19:13.14 | sney | gnugr: you should know better than to mix unstable with stable. you're just going to break his system |
| 19:13.20 | sney | ,checkbackport apper |
| 19:13.23 | Shoya | does it, the machine just crashes and burns |
| 19:13.24 | judd | Backporting package apper in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: kde-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.8), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.8), libdebconf-kde-dev, liblistaller-glib-dev (>= 0.5.4), libpackagekit-qt2-dev (>= 0.7.4), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14). |
| 19:13.30 | Shoya | well damn |
| 19:13.34 | Shoya | that didn't work, did it |
| 19:13.48 | sney | yeah, if you want to use this application you're going to need to upgrade to testing at least |
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| 19:14.12 | sney | installing the binary packages from sid will either break your system or just not work |
| 19:14.28 | Shoya | i would grab into whatever build, as long as i can get friggin wine to work |
| 19:14.52 | n2diy | I re-installed icedove, and it still won't start, can't find it in top, so I can't kill it there. How do I find it and kill it? |
| 19:15.06 | Shoya | either way i can just do apt-get update every week no? |
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| 19:15.42 | sney | Shoya: well, wine is in much better shape in wheezy than squeeze anyway, and wheezy is getting close to the release - it's very usable |
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| 19:15.48 | Shoya | and dist-update |
| 19:15.54 | Shoya | ok sney |
| 19:16.25 | Shoya | so wheezy is more "up-to-date" than squeeze atm? |
| 19:16.56 | sney | yes |
| 19:16.58 | Shoya | more like, wheezy is like an RC or a beta of the new version, right? |
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| 19:17.17 | Shoya | so how do i upgrade from my current version? |
| 19:17.28 | sney | essentially. wheezy is currently the "testing" branch which will be released as debian 7 when it's ready |
| 19:17.38 | sney | dpkg: tell Shoya about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:17.49 | Shoya | i know you can go from squeeze to wheezy to sid |
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| 19:18.21 | Shoya | i feel like i need more instructions |
| 19:18.25 | Shoya | so i will wait a while :D |
| 19:18.33 | Shoya | destroys the burned machine meanwhile |
| 19:19.01 | sney | you can also install wheezy with the installers at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 19:19.56 | Shoya | so all i have to do is change squeeze to wheezy in sources.list? |
| 19:20.24 | sney | right, and remove things like squeeze-updates and backports and any 3rd party repos |
| 19:20.45 | Shoya | only leaving, ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org? |
| 19:21.04 | lusers | (And check /etc/apt/sources.d/ too) |
| 19:21.31 | ompaul | Shoya: and of course hope you have nothing installed that breaks your upgrade in some new untested until now way |
| 19:21.42 | Shoya | D: |
| 19:21.45 | Shoya | well if it breaks |
| 19:21.48 | Shoya | i can burn it |
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| 19:21.58 | Shoya | then it will be reborn again as mini-linux! |
| 19:21.59 | ompaul | Shoya: are you interested in testing or wheezy |
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| 19:22.11 | ompaul | there being a subtle difference |
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| 19:22.15 | Shoya | wait, isn't wheezy = testing? |
| 19:22.23 | ompaul | at this time they are |
| 19:22.29 | ompaul | so I ask again |
| 19:22.32 | ompaul | Shoya: are you interested in testing or wheezy |
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| 19:22.39 | Shoya | umm... |
| 19:22.45 | sney | shoya is interested in running some app that isn't available in squeeze. |
| 19:22.47 | Shoya | w-wheezy? |
| 19:22.57 | lusers | Go with wheezy. |
| 19:22.58 | Shoya | aka wine |
| 19:23.01 | sney | Shoya: basically, once wheezy is released a new testing will be created |
| 19:23.04 | ompaul | sney: aahh |
| 19:23.08 | sney | and it'll be a huge mess for a few months |
| 19:23.11 | Shoya | WINE WHY YOU NO WORK IN SQUEEZE |
| 19:23.14 | Shoya | ^ that |
| 19:23.15 | sney | so yes, you want wheezy. |
| 19:23.24 | ompaul | Shoya: wine ahh wine ahh |
| 19:23.25 | ompaul | !wine |
| 19:23.26 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 19:23.43 | Shoya | <tried everything, didn't get wine to install in squeeze |
| 19:23.47 | sney | ,v wine |
| 19:23.48 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 19:23.52 | sney | says it all, really |
| 19:24.00 | Shoya | <doesn't understand |
| 19:24.09 | sney | wine 1.0 is like, prehistoric old |
| 19:24.16 | ompaul | sney: ayw |
| 19:24.18 | ompaul | aye |
| 19:24.22 | Shoya | oh |
| 19:24.28 | Shoya | so wheezy time then? |
| 19:24.32 | sney | indeed |
| 19:25.03 | ompaul | Shoya: when I asked the question I didn't know your motivation, it kind of makes more sense |
| 19:25.15 | Shoya | so |
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| 19:25.25 | Shoya | TO WHEEZY MY COMRADES |
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| 19:25.42 | Shoya | "apt-get update dist-update |
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| 19:25.47 | Shoya | " like that? |
| 19:25.57 | ompaul | no |
| 19:25.58 | Shoya | or how do i do it so it does both |
| 19:26.02 | sney | dist-upgrade, and they are 2 different commands |
| 19:26.08 | Shoya | man that sentence confused me |
| 19:26.15 | ompaul | Shoya: first upgrade and then dist-upgrade |
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| 19:26.29 | sney | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and then in a different window run 'man apt-get' for some education while you download |
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| 19:26.34 | Shoya | no apt-get update? |
| 19:26.38 | ompaul | Shoya: apt-get is a program the other two things are arguments |
| 19:26.39 | n2diy | I'm trying to run icedove, and I'm getting a message it is all ready running and I need to stop it or restart the system. Killall icedove didn't work, and rebooting didn't either? |
| 19:26.49 | ompaul | Shoya: read what sney wrte for you |
| 19:26.53 | Shoya | ok... |
| 19:26.58 | ompaul | wrote even |
| 19:27.03 | sney | Shoya: yes, apt-get update any time you change sources.list but you don't need to do it repeatedly |
| 19:27.24 | ompaul | well in testing every time you run that you must dist-upgrade |
| 19:27.29 | ompaul | or you will have parts not working |
| 19:27.49 | Shoya | can i get like....a pdf of it? |
| 19:27.51 | ompaul | when testing becomes stable you can go to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:28.09 | Shoya | of "man apt-get |
| 19:28.10 | Shoya | " |
| 19:28.11 | ompaul | Shoya: no, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:28.23 | ompaul | Shoya: just do it |
| 19:28.27 | Shoya | D: i wanted to read it on evince.... |
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| 19:28.32 | Shoya | oh well... |
| 19:28.33 | ompaul | as long as you have fixed your sources |
| 19:28.40 | Shoya | hopefully |
| 19:28.51 | ompaul | you can when you are ready write the code to turn man pages into pdfs |
| 19:29.00 | Shoya | D: |
| 19:29.03 | Shoya | damn |
| 19:29.14 | Shoya | thought it existed already.... |
| 19:29.15 | sney | there might be a html version online somewhere though |
| 19:29.30 | ompaul | there is just type in apt-get man in a web browser |
| 19:29.35 | Shoya | i could just copy&paste to a pad |
| 19:29.38 | Shoya | but then again |
| 19:29.40 | Shoya | i'm lazy |
| 19:29.43 | ompaul | !next |
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| 19:29.43 | Shoya | so i'll read it |
| 19:29.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:29.53 | Shoya | is kicked out of help room |
| 19:29.55 | sney | good to get in the habit of reading man pages |
| 19:30.07 | rysiek|pl | ohai |
| 19:30.13 | Shoya | ummm |
| 19:30.21 | Shoya | i got an error |
| 19:30.25 | sney | !paste |
| 19:30.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:30.33 | rysiek|pl | anybody able to suggest a way to run libvirtd so that it *manages* the virtual networks, but dnsmasq is *not*started? |
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| 19:32.02 | Shoya | http://pastebin.com/hngPCmUu @ sney & ompaul |
| 19:32.28 | ompaul | Shoya: did you apt-get update first? |
| 19:32.33 | Shoya | yes |
| 19:32.45 | Shoya | do i put that into the pastebin as well? |
| 19:32.56 | ompaul | you can it might guide us |
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| 19:33.03 | sney | you could apt-get remove gcc-4.4 since it's a metapackage anyway |
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| 19:33.27 | sney | sometimes with these upgrades, certain packages need to be removed but they can be installed again afterwards |
| 19:33.38 | _BRETT_ | Hi |
| 19:33.52 | Shoya | http://pastebin.com/hngPCmUu @ sney & ompaul check now |
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| 19:34.14 | oo_miguel | I installed debian packages via aptitute only, still there are some files on my filesystem I can not assign to any package via apt-file search ? Is there some other way to identify where the file came from? |
| 19:34.39 | ompaul | Shoya: you can # out the security atm as it doesn't do anything until release |
| 19:34.46 | Shoya | oh ok |
| 19:34.49 | LtL | oo_miguel: dpkg -S filename |
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| 19:38.54 | adaminsull | Hi |
| 19:38.54 | ompaul | Shoya: apt-get update && apt-get remove gcc-4.4 && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:38.54 | adaminsull | Can you make znc the new version |
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| 19:38.54 | sney | ,v znc |
| 19:38.54 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-2; wheezy: 0.206-2; experimental: 1.0-1 |
| 19:38.54 | Shoya | okie dokie |
| 19:38.54 | adaminsull | New version 1.0 |
| 19:38.55 | sney | looks like it'll be in sid before too long |
| 19:38.55 | sney | it's probably installable on sid too |
| 19:39.04 | sney | ,checkbackport --fromrelease experimental znc |
| 19:39.05 | judd | No package named '--fromrelease' was found in sid/i386. |
| 19:39.27 | sney | ,checkbackport znc --fromrelease experimental |
| 19:39.28 | judd | Backporting package znc in experimental→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 19:39.38 | sney | could backport it all the way to stable too. |
| 19:39.50 | Shoya | what's experimental? |
| 19:39.59 | sney | !tell Shoya about experimental |
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| 19:40.21 | Shoya | so more dangerous than sid? |
| 19:40.51 | sney | it's not even a full release, it's just a collection of really new packages that haven't been tested in any way |
| 19:40.58 | Shoya | oh ok |
| 19:41.14 | ompaul | Shoya: the word is experi MENTAL |
| 19:41.43 | Shoya | MY HEAD, THE PAIN, THE SEARING PAIN, WHO MADE THIS PACKAGE OH GOD |
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| 19:41.48 | Shoya | like that^? |
| 19:42.08 | ompaul | Shoya: that would be sane |
| 19:42.11 | Shoya | oh |
| 19:42.14 | Shoya | damn |
| 19:42.23 | Shoya | so crazy psycho in borderlands? |
| 19:42.29 | dondelelcaro | Shoya: it's mostly packages which aren't ready to be released. |
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| 19:42.32 | ompaul | Shoya: s/in/beyond/ |
| 19:42.43 | Shoya | oh |
| 19:42.45 | Shoya | ok |
| 19:42.57 | dondelelcaro | Shoya: so the quality ranges from "it'll be uploaded once wheezy releases" to "you probably shouldn't use this" |
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| 19:43.08 | Shoya | woo! |
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| 19:43.23 | Shoya | "apt doc is found on /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/ |
| 19:43.24 | Shoya | " |
| 19:43.33 | Shoya | APT User's guide |
| 19:43.33 | apt | i heard debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 19:43.51 | Shoya | what? |
| 19:44.02 | sney | looks like you found one of the channel bots |
| 19:44.03 | Shoya | i don't even.....what? |
| 19:44.10 | Shoya | guess i did... |
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| 19:44.18 | gnarface | apt emacs? |
| 19:44.19 | apt | emacs is, like, as useless as vim if you don't wanna learn it |
| 19:44.25 | gnarface | :) |
| 19:44.30 | Shoya | apt windows? |
| 19:44.30 | apt | it has been said that windows is either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system |
| 19:44.45 | Shoya | woah |
| 19:44.56 | Shoya | damn |
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| 19:45.21 | Shoya | You have, 488 updates to install |
| 19:45.21 | sney | !tell Shoya about msg the bot |
| 19:45.25 | Shoya | ....FFS |
| 19:45.33 | ompaul | Shoya: stable - fit for ordinary users who are willing to update their software and pay attention to things they should testing - for those who think they may have some debian skills and don't mind the box disappearing with some random break and not panic at that time, sid hear be dragons, if ye are careful you won't get bitten too often, but you should be proficient at software first aid, having a couple of machines is good |
| 19:45.37 | sney | most of them are small. and you don't have to give us a play by play. |
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| 19:46.19 | Shoya | but i like telling play by play |
| 19:46.36 | ompaul | Shoya: maybe we saw it before more than once :) |
| 19:46.44 | Shoya | ok.... |
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| 19:49.09 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 19:49.34 | n2diy | i removed icedove from my system, and ps aux still shows it running. |
| 19:49.40 | HardDisk_WP | what's the "best" way of running virtual machines on a head-less server? |
| 19:49.56 | Shoya | n2diy, you rebooted? |
| 19:50.03 | nsadmin | Shoya, if you like telling something already told, put it in a file |
| 19:50.07 | HardDisk_WP | vmware player is a GUI application, and ESXi apparently requires a reinstall |
| 19:50.13 | n2diy | Shoya, yep. |
| 19:50.15 | marcm | I am wondering if I install Debian 7 Beta 3 on a server, can I just "apt-get upgrade" my way to the final release? |
| 19:50.21 | sney | HardDisk_WP: uh, there are a few options but I know kvm is fairly popular |
| 19:50.32 | Shoya | uhh dunno then |
| 19:50.42 | nsadmin | debian is not what beta 3 refers to |
| 19:50.46 | Shoya | HardDisk_WP: tried umm......VirtualBOX? |
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| 19:50.49 | HardDisk_WP | sney, ah, you mean qemu? |
| 19:50.51 | Shoya | VirtualBox* |
| 19:51.08 | sney | HardDisk_WP: I mean what I said. http://www.palegray.net/tutorials/debian-6-kvm-howto/ |
| 19:51.09 | simonlnu | n2diy: not surprising |
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| 19:51.28 | simonlnu | i doubt you rebooted, since you probably just restarted x |
| 19:51.36 | simonlnu | that's not a reboot |
| 19:51.37 | nsadmin | marcm debian is not what beta 3 refers to... and, yes |
| 19:51.39 | HardDisk_WP | sney, thx |
| 19:52.25 | nsadmin | if you want your server to be stable, don't put wheezy on it, put squeeze |
| 19:52.42 | marcm | nsadmin I meant Wheezy - and I love the new packages, and I am planning to use it in production. I preffer Debian to Ubuntu for various reasons. Also, has Debian finally gotten rid of PHP Suhosin? |
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| 19:53.05 | nsadmin | beta 3 also doesnj't apply to wheezy |
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| 19:53.12 | nsadmin | it applies to the installer |
| 19:53.15 | marcm | nsadmin I seriously doubt that I'll see stability issues out of Wheezy |
| 19:53.22 | sney | !tell marcm about suhosin |
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| 19:53.40 | sney | the stability issues are probably irrelevant for a home server |
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| 19:53.45 | nsadmin | then you've never been on this ride before :) |
| 19:54.00 | sney | there are still numerous RC bugs though |
| 19:54.08 | marcm | sney - thanks, and thank you God! I hate that thing - Suhosin that is |
| 19:54.38 | sney | shrug |
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| 19:55.07 | n2diy | simonlnu, umm, the box turned off, I THINK I rebooted. |
| 19:55.17 | nsadmin | what are you serving? |
| 19:55.18 | marcm | sney and nsadmin I use Apache + FastCGI + MPM Event, PHP, MySQL and Dovecot / Postfix |
| 19:55.34 | sney | n2diy: sounds like the weirdest ghost in the machine ever |
| 19:56.03 | nsadmin | cgi, fast or not, was yesterday's petunias in 2000 |
| 19:56.04 | Shoya | uhh |
| 19:56.06 | n2diy | sney, I think I nailed it, stupid lock file! |
| 19:56.12 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: what does locate say? What about which? How does the package look in dpkg -l? |
| 19:56.14 | Shoya | o.o? |
| 19:56.15 | sney | haha. |
| 19:56.19 | sney | Shoya: hmm? |
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| 19:56.22 | Shoya | lock file? |
| 19:56.34 | Shoya | ain't that what happens when you do stuff while not on root? |
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| 19:56.38 | sney | google what is a lock file |
| 19:56.47 | codygman | What are the downsides of using debian-backports? In your experience, are there usually problems? |
| 19:56.48 | Shoya | finds a file with a lock |
| 19:56.52 | Shoya | well darn |
| 19:57.01 | Shoya | didn't expect to find this |
| 19:57.10 | jhutchins_wk | marcm: Just be aware that if the developers make the system unusable with an update, that's ok. |
| 19:57.11 | sney | Shoya: also, since this is a support channel, please keep offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic or other general chat channels |
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| 19:57.16 | Shoya | sorry |
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| 19:57.31 | simonlnu | n2diy: so why would iceweasel be running still then? |
| 19:57.44 | Shoya | icedove you meant simonlnu |
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| 19:57.56 | simonlnu | whichever :) |
| 19:57.58 | marcm | <jhutchins_wk> If that happens I can just export my MySQL databases and move to something else. After all, I run everything inside KVM virtual machines. |
| 19:58.00 | sney | codygman: sometimes you'll see conflicts with packages that expect specific versions, and we've seen some odd things with the 3.2 kernel version not being 2.6.x, but it is mostly fine |
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| 19:58.08 | n2diy | nope wasn't the lock file, crap. |
| 19:58.15 | nsadmin | lock files are for having something only run one at a time |
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| 19:58.46 | marcm | jhutchins_wk sney or nsadmin - any estimation on when the final version will be available? |
| 19:58.54 | Shoya | wonder if something went wrong while doing "apt-get purge icedove"? |
| 19:59.13 | sney | !wwwr |
| 19:59.13 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 19:59.15 | jhutchins_wk | codygman: In the past there were issues trying to upgrade if you had used backports, but they mostly have that worked out now. |
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| 19:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | marcm: When the bugs are fixed. |
| 19:59.56 | jhutchins_wk | marcm: It's quality based, not scheduled. |
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| 20:00.24 | nsadmin | I'd say 3 - 6 months, unless there's hard bugs somewhere in the core, or they're introducing more new stuff than usual |
| 20:00.54 | marcm | jhutchins_wk Thanks God - I installed Ubuntu 12.04 a week after it was released and it was kind of crap. Ubuntu has a tendency to rush releases so that they meet their strict schedule |
| 20:01.17 | nsadmin | that is somewhat educated guess, and, don't take it as The One and Only One True Truth |
| 20:01.30 | simonlnu | !rc bugs |
| 20:01.31 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 20:01.40 | marcm | nsadmin that's fine, I like it so far :) |
| 20:02.11 | simonlnu | that's what stops it. rc bugs count has to be below a certain level |
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| 20:02.37 | nsadmin | marcm, one good reason to go with wheezy now for the server, is that most of the stuff you use is available at the version you need |
| 20:03.44 | marcm | nsadmin true, and it beats the hell out of installting Squeeze and the updating and hacking it with 3rd party packages. I am not a fan of DotDeb |
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| 20:04.55 | jhutchins_wk | marcm: The main component that will change will be PHP, everythign else is pretty stable upstream. |
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| 20:05.13 | jhutchins_wk | iirc dovecot is making another major conf file update with breakage. |
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| 20:05.52 | simonlnu | n2diy: so why would icedove be running still then? if you remove it, it doesn't stop it. that's why if you r m -r f /b i n (remove extra spaces) it'll continue until nothing's left. |
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| 20:06.10 | marcm | jhutchins_wk I hope to God that the developers won't patch the PHP core with Suhosin again, once it's available. Sushosin can be used as a module, and I'd rather have it like that. |
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| 20:06.34 | marcm | jhutchins_wk A correctly configured server doesn't need Sushosin for added security |
| 20:06.35 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, locate shows a bunch of stuff, which shows /usr/bin/icedove and dpkg -l icedove shows stuff I'm not familiar with. |
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| 20:07.31 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: Any of it with status i in dpkg? |
| 20:07.38 | n2diy | simonlnu, I tend to avoid rm when I can, especially outside my /home directory. |
| 20:08.01 | simonlnu | missing my point |
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| 20:08.19 | jhutchins_wk | remember locate will be as of last run of updatedb, so if you deleted something today it'll still show up there until you run that. |
| 20:08.25 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, the first two characters in the listing are ii. |
| 20:08.36 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: Then it is not uninstalled after all. |
| 20:08.58 | simonlnu | no kidding |
| 20:09.17 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: I would suggest killing it and using aptitude purge to remove it (if that's your goal). |
| 20:09.24 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, oh, it's re-installed now, I just ran it as root, and it worked, just not working for me. |
| 20:10.04 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: That's why you never run GUI apps as root. You have probably created conf files and such in your <home> that are owned by root. |
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| 20:12.42 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, so, even though I su - to get a root prompt, I'm dropping root config files in my /home directory? |
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| 20:13.17 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: Hard to tell with a gui. |
| 20:13.45 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: Run the program in a console window and see what it says. |
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| 20:15.30 | jhutchins_wk | icedove is known to work correctly on squeeze without any extra steps. |
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| 20:17.48 | mitc0185 | I'm having a problem with my system hanging on shutdown. Usually, the last message I see is something having to do with rpcbind |
| 20:17.53 | jhutchins_wk | When you use su the system retains knowledge of the original user. |
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| 20:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | mitc0185: so it's probably whatever shuts down AFTER rpcbind. |
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| 20:18.40 | mitc0185 | jhutchins_wk: how would you start to troubleshoot that? |
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| 20:19.18 | jhutchins_wk | mitc0185: Have a look at the K files in /etc/rc0.d/ |
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| 20:20.34 | jhutchins_wk | mitc0185: Does it hang in the same place on a reboot? |
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| 20:21.17 | mitc0185 | I would have to reboot to answer that |
| 20:21.25 | mitc0185 | which I can do in a minute |
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| 20:21.39 | adaminsull | Can you make znc 1.0 as a apt-get install znc? |
| 20:21.43 | jhutchins_wk | mitc0185: What release & kernel? |
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| 20:21.58 | mitc0185 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions znc |
| 20:22.02 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-2; wheezy: 0.206-2; experimental: 1.0-1 |
| 20:22.13 | mitc0185 | wheezy |
| 20:22.26 | Shoya | so sney, since it's going to be wine 1.4 in wheezy i can easily just do like |
| 20:22.31 | Shoya | apt-get install wine? |
| 20:22.53 | sney | yep |
| 20:23.02 | Shoya | or do i have to look for the package in http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/allpackages? |
| 20:23.09 | engla | Shoya: if you're on amd64 you need to add i386 as foreign arch |
| 20:23.12 | mitc0185 | jhutchins_wk: I'm going to reboot, and I'll let you know what happens |
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| 20:23.22 | adaminsull | jhutchins_wk: I know but it should be updated |
| 20:23.26 | Shoya | so multiarch engla? |
| 20:23.33 | sney | ah, yeah, multiarch is a consideration, but wine is pretty straightforward in wheezy |
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| 20:24.08 | Shoya | 1h 30 min till it finished doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.09 | engla | yes |
| 20:24.27 | unkmar | This cow bows out for now. |
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| 20:25.14 | WDKevin | is anyone familiar with an error that causes ext4 mounted filesystems to report all files with a size of 0 bytes? |
| 20:25.39 | spendythrift | what would be some good status reports to have a fileserver email to me periodically? |
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| 20:26.25 | WDKevin | spendythrift, remaining space available, hard drive status, etc |
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| 20:27.23 | rahsputin | is dpkg offline ? |
| 20:27.33 | jelly-home | apt: test |
| 20:27.33 | apt | If you say tset I will not be happy |
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| 20:27.54 | rahsputin | is apt offline ? |
| 20:27.57 | rahsputin | :-) |
| 20:28.05 | rahsputin | wrong line |
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| 20:28.38 | jelly-home | I have no idea how old apt's factoid database is |
| 20:28.53 | nkuttler | i think the dbs are synced |
| 20:29.18 | marcm | I believe that Ubuntu 12.10 deserves a Raspberry award for distro of the year because they are using a EOLd Linux Kernel in that one (3.5) |
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| 20:30.19 | sney | they're using an odd number kernel release? that's... odd. Though if they're going to take the responsibility of maintaining it, then whatever |
| 20:30.19 | jelly-home | marcm: please keep the offtopic comments in #debian-offtopic |
| 20:30.24 | sney | also this |
| 20:30.51 | marcm | jelly-home Sorry :) |
| 20:31.11 | marcm | sney I don't knwo if the odd/even numbering scheme applies to kernels after 3.0 anymore. |
| 20:31.16 | jelly-home | don't be sorry, just keep to debian tech support in here |
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| 20:34.28 | rahsputin | is there a substitute for pastebinit ? |
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| 20:36.40 | sney | rahsputin: is pastebinit not working for you? |
| 20:36.46 | rahsputin | nope |
| 20:37.28 | rahsputin | sney, for you ? |
| 20:37.29 | sney | if it's the version in squeeze, you may have to specify -b http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:37.34 | solstis | hello, i'm having a problem with virtualbox. i cannot start a virtual machine, it asks for the packages virtualbox-ose-dkms and linux-headers-amd64 but i alraedy have them installed. |
| 20:37.40 | solstis | any ideas? |
| 20:37.48 | rahsputin | sney, ahh, nice one, thanx |
| 20:38.05 | simonlnu | pastebinit doesn't work for me either. only thing i haven't done is doing the stdin & ^d thing. |
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| 20:38.30 | sney | solstis: did the ose modules build successfully? |
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| 20:38.39 | engla | solstis: I guess you need to make sure the kernel module is built and loaded |
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| 20:39.34 | rahsputin | simonlnu, pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/ <YOUR-TXT-HERE> |
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| 20:42.15 | solstis | Starting VirtualBox kernel modules[....] No suitable module for running kernel found ... failed! |
| 20:42.30 | solstis | that comes up when apt-getting it |
| 20:42.43 | solstis | isn;t the kernel module |
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| 20:42.53 | solstis | linux-headers-(in my case)amd64 |
| 20:42.56 | solstis | ? |
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| 20:43.22 | jelly-home | solstis: which debian architecture do you have installed? dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 20:43.36 | solstis | amd64 |
| 20:43.52 | jelly-home | at least that checks out |
| 20:43.59 | solstis | First Installation: checking all kernels... |
| 20:43.59 | solstis | Building only for 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 20:43.59 | solstis | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the |
| 20:43.59 | solstis | kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
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| 20:44.15 | solstis | oops |
| 20:44.27 | jelly-home | solstis: is the matching linux-headers-3.2.0-3-amd64 installed? |
| 20:44.36 | jelly-home | er |
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| 20:45.58 | jelly-home | yeah, that's a bit weird |
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| 20:46.12 | simonlnu | "kernel source" ? |
| 20:46.14 | solstis | solstis: is the matching linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:46.14 | afroman | hello. my debian is acting up. when it starts I get a white screen. can anyone help? |
| 20:46.15 | solstis | is installed |
| 20:46.26 | solstis | 3.2.0-4 |
| 20:46.28 | solstis | not 3 |
| 20:46.42 | solstis | as well as |
| 20:46.46 | solstis | linux-headers-amd64 |
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| 20:47.24 | solstis | as well as linux-headers-3.2.0-4-all-amd64 |
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| 20:48.02 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:48.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:50.50 | frank | hi, can anybody explain to me what the difference is between debian testing, debian sid and debian experimental? I see these thrown around a lot and i was under the impression that sid was unstable and thus equal to experimental but apparently it's not :-/ |
| 20:51.57 | simonlnu | frank: in "regular times" or during freeze or both? |
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| 20:52.14 | solstis | frank, http://www.debian.org/releases/ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 20:52.36 | jhutchins_wk | frank: Testing is a collection of software targeted for release at some point. Sid is not targeted for release, but is a pool of developmental software that doesn't always work together. Experimental is for new, different stuff that has not seen any use in it's current form. |
| 20:53.30 | nkuttler | and experimental is not a release, it's just a few random packages |
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| 20:54.14 | simonlnu | right now stuff that usually goes into sid is going there (or should be, TMK) |
| 20:54.47 | jelly-home | touch your WHAT |
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| 20:55.53 | frank | so the chain goes like this: experimental -> sid -> testing -> stable, is that correct? |
| 20:55.53 | simonlnu | jelly-home: what you do on your own time is not our business |
| 20:55.56 | solstis | do you think that the difference between the debian architecture version and the linux-headers* package version. i guess this was theresult of an apt-get update/upgrade |
| 20:56.04 | simonlnu | frank: not even |
| 20:56.05 | solstis | but could it have implications for the virtualbox setup |
| 20:56.10 | solstis | jelly-home ? |
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| 20:56.35 | simonlnu | frank: sid > testing ; testing becomes a new release. |
| 20:56.57 | nkuttler | frank: more i think more like randomstuff->stable->oldstable->obsolete |
| 20:57.01 | simonlnu | stable only gets security and critical updates |
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| 20:57.52 | jelly-home | solstis: make sure you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed, one way or the other... either reboot into newer 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel, or get older headers package |
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| 20:58.11 | afroman | can anyone help me with my white screen when booting debian? |
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| 20:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: which debian? Can you boot to console/single user/rescue? What hardware is it? Was it working before? |
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| 21:01.11 | solstis | thanks, jelly-home |
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| 21:01.37 | solidus-river | hey, does python:Depends include python2.7? |
| 21:01.45 | solidus-river | somehow my packages are requiring python2.7 and i don't get how |
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| 21:02.45 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: debian wheezy testing, kernel 3.0.4-amd64. it was working before until I did an upgrade. same thing happens when booting into rescue, no console since during the boot it goes to X directly. I changed init to 1 (single user) same problem remains. |
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| 21:04.42 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: I should also point out that I can, thourgh ssh on mobile, log in into a console while my pc shows a white screen. |
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| 21:05.26 | mtn | afroman: what video card/drivers? |
| 21:05.44 | afroman | mtn: ati radeon mobility hd 3400 |
| 21:06.08 | mtn | afroman: need to upgrade/redo drivers since you have a new kernel? |
| 21:07.13 | afroman | mtn: the problem happened before I upgraded with the new kernel. the new kernel upgrade was done through ssh on my mobile in hope that it would resole the issue |
| 21:07.28 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: Congratulations, your testing has successfully found a problem. Please be sure to file/update a bugreport. |
| 21:07.43 | mtn | afroman: current wheezy kernel is not 3.0.4 |
| 21:08.21 | mtn | afroman: I still think that is most likely your issue. |
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| 21:08.40 | mtn | afroman: at least you get to keep the pieces |
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| 21:09.25 | solidus-river | how do i print out what part of a package is pulling in python2.7 |
| 21:09.34 | afroman | mtn: the kernel was 3.0.3 on the orginal installation, the 3.0.4 is what I get when I do dist/upgrade |
| 21:09.39 | solidus-river | the depends are jsut misc:Depends and python:Depends |
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| 21:09.54 | solidus-river | but for some reason it is depending on python2.7 |
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| 21:10.02 | jelly-home | solidus-river: which debian release? |
| 21:10.13 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: I am very happy to help if I know what the issue is to report |
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| 21:10.16 | mtn | afroman: I am no wheezy and current kernel is 3.2.0-3 |
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| 21:10.22 | mtn | no=on |
| 21:10.32 | solstis | thank you, jelly-home. virtualbox works after i installed linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 21:10.43 | afroman | mtn: thats the one. my bad |
| 21:10.52 | jelly-home | solstis: great |
| 21:10.56 | solidus-river | 6.0.6 |
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| 21:11.05 | solidus-river | but this deb is being built on a ubuntu precise box |
| 21:11.13 | mtn | afroman: using the proprietary drivers? |
| 21:11.21 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: It's probably the framebuffer driver, you could try disabling that. |
| 21:11.23 | jelly-home | solidus-river: you'll want to built it in the correct environment |
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| 21:11.27 | jelly-home | build* |
| 21:11.32 | afroman | I used the driver from ati.com |
| 21:11.44 | solidus-river | damn |
| 21:11.44 | GrunDiG | hi |
| 21:11.54 | mtn | afroman: rebuild it after the new kernel, he asks again :P |
| 21:12.22 | afroman | I can\t, not throu ssh anyway |
| 21:12.32 | jelly-home | solidus-river: look into pbuilder or pdebuild, I think |
| 21:12.49 | WDKevin | I have what looks like the 0-byte file problem on ext4 file systems. I have tried to remount the drive with data=writeback but it does not look like anything is different. Is this data recoverable? |
| 21:13.14 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: I might have uninstalled it |
| 21:13.23 | jelly-home | WDKevin: are you using a custom kernel or unusual mount options? |
| 21:13.30 | WDKevin | jelly, no and no |
| 21:13.40 | jelly-home | WDKevin: uname -a ? |
| 21:13.41 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: how do I disable the framebuffer? |
| 21:13.43 | WDKevin | I'm using Ubuntu 12.10 |
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| 21:14.00 | jelly-home | WDKevin: this channel won't be of much help finding the cause then |
| 21:14.04 | WDKevin | jelly, 3.2.0-29-generic |
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| 21:14.24 | WDKevin | jelly-home, I thought I'd try. The problem seems to be identical in debian and Ubuntu |
| 21:14.38 | invariant | Is there perhaps any program which will tell me when a given page has changed? |
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| 21:14.54 | jelly-home | WDKevin: assume the data is not recoverable. Can you identify which kernel "did it"? |
| 21:15.03 | WDKevin | jelly, Ubuntu |
| 21:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: pass nomodeset to the kernel at boot. |
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| 21:15.25 | invariant | That is, something which will check a list of URLs and has a programmable command which will run when a given page has changed? |
| 21:15.25 | WDKevin | jelly-home, everything haws been fine for weeks. I came in to work this morning and all the files on this disk are now 0 bytes. |
| 21:15.45 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: It does keep changing though, I'd check the wiki. |
| 21:15.59 | jelly-home | WDKevin: I fear you'll have to file a bug there, then. Which filesystem type is it? |
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| 21:16.27 | nmschulte | Hi all. I have a CD that is ripped to FLAC and has a .cue and .log. When I open the .cue with Brasero, it says it doesn't recognize the image format. How can I burn my backup back to disc? |
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| 21:16.37 | invariant | WDKevin, there is forensic recovery software which you might be able to use. |
| 21:16.43 | WDKevin | jelly-home, ext4 |
| 21:16.49 | jelly-home | WDKevin: also, can you assign a monetary value to your data? |
| 21:16.58 | WDKevin | invariant, I did try PhotoRec very quickly this morning and it recovered 2 files |
| 21:17.05 | GrunDiG | i got some trouble with broadcom-sta-dkms on wheezy: the make.log file shows an error 'Unsupported kernel architecture'... i don't know where does the problem come from? |
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| 21:17.10 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: is there a way to install and run the generic driver to start with, then we can see to fix the proper d river? |
| 21:17.13 | WDKevin | jelly-home, actually, I was able to write to the disk, unmount it, shut down, power on and read that file back just fine. |
| 21:17.17 | jelly-home | WDKevin: I'd ask for help in ext3-users mailing list (yes, for ext4 as well) |
| 21:17.22 | WDKevin | jelly-home, all other files remained 0 bytes |
| 21:17.34 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: Just work from the console. |
| 21:17.36 | invariant | WDKevin, it sounds more like you got hacked. \ |
| 21:17.47 | WDKevin | invariant, this isnt even a public facing box |
| 21:17.59 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: which one? |
| 21:18.06 | WDKevin | not that that means its hackproof, just saying its extremely unlikely |
| 21:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | WDKevin: Sounds like you had a filesystem failure. |
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| 21:18.24 | invariant | WDKevin, if you use a browser, it's entirely plausible. |
| 21:18.28 | jelly-home | WDKevin: seriously, ask the fs authors and experts instead of random people in irc |
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| 21:18.47 | invariant | WDKevin, yes, whoever wrote it should know. |
| 21:19.03 | WDKevin | jelly-home, I'm heading that way. The author of ext4, Tom T'so has addressed the issue, but all the fixes im finding are no longer relevent |
| 21:19.03 | invariant | WDKevin, if they don't have a satisfying answer, switch file system, I'd say. |
| 21:19.12 | WDKevin | they all suggest using mount options that dont exist |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | Ted Tso. Nice guy. |
| 21:19.33 | WDKevin | invariant, regardless of the answer, im switching file systems. right now im just trying to recover the files. |
| 21:19.36 | invariant | WDKevin, can you point me at the mailing list message? I would be interested in seeing that. |
| 21:19.53 | invariant | I thought tons of people already used ext4. |
| 21:19.55 | WDKevin | invariant, i can point you to a blog post about it. the link itself goes to a site that is now down. let me find it. |
| 21:20.00 | jhutchins_wk | WDKevin: This is why we make backups. File recovery is complex and difficult. |
| 21:20.07 | WDKevin | ive been using ext4 myself for a while at home, never had issues |
| 21:20.13 | jelly-home | WDKevin: if you (or your distro) didn't use weird mount options, then you're not seeing the bug that got in the news but something else. |
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| 21:20.15 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, how do you backup? |
| 21:20.17 | WDKevin | jhutchins_wk, well, this is where it gets stupidly weird |
| 21:20.28 | WDKevin | jhutchins_wk, all my backups are corruptd the minute the vm is powered on |
| 21:20.30 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: rsync to a usb disk. |
| 21:20.45 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: how do I start booting into JUST a console? |
| 21:20.45 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, how large is your backup? |
| 21:21.02 | GrunDiG | well, anybody could help me? |
| 21:21.17 | WDKevin | invariant, i know you didnt ask me but i use rsync at home to backup fairly large amounts of data pretty reguraly |
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| 21:21.39 | invariant | I don't think rsync is a backup solution per se. |
| 21:21.40 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: I think the alternate boot mode does that - rescue or single-user. Add the nomodeset parameter to the boot line, you should end up with a console. |
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| 21:21.50 | jelly-home | invariant: my rsync-based backup 600GB, or 6M files. What do I win. |
| 21:22.00 | stellamaya | hello |
| 21:22.06 | jhutchins_wk | WDKevin: What kernel are you using? |
| 21:22.19 | invariant | rsnapshot for example is an actual backup solution. |
| 21:22.20 | stellamaya | !list |
| 21:22.21 | dpkg | stellamaya: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 21:22.27 | invariant | Or bacula. |
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| 21:22.39 | dondelelcaro | I personally use obnam, but use whatever works |
| 21:22.43 | invariant | jelly-home, how long does it take? |
| 21:22.49 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: or amanda |
| 21:22.52 | jelly-home | invariant: 10 minutes each day |
| 21:23.08 | WDKevin | invariant, i back up files with it, not images or anything. in my case, it backs up very specific files. |
| 21:23.09 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: add 'nomodeset' in grub? where? which line? |
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| 21:23.22 | WDKevin | jhutchins_wk, 3.2.0-29-generic |
| 21:23.24 | invariant | jelly-home, that's quite reasonable. |
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| 21:23.28 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: THe kernel boot parameters. Usually the middle line. |
| 21:23.35 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: There's rdiff-backup as well. |
| 21:23.42 | peterrooney | rsync is not a backup solution, but rsync-backup sure looks like one to me. |
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| 21:24.08 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: what else shall I do after that if it works? |
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| 21:24.14 | jhutchins_wk | peterrooney: rsync can be. A lot of the more complex systems use it to do the actual backup. |
| 21:24.32 | somiaj | I kinda like rdiff-backup, but it mostly saves space and is slow cause of making all the diff files |
| 21:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: Undo what you did to install the ati driver, or fix it. |
| 21:25.13 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, that's like saying that addition is a Karabatsu multiplication. |
| 21:25.15 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: did obnam reach the "stable metadata format" yet |
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| 21:25.40 | jelly-home | it looked promising but changing too often for my liking |
| 21:25.50 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: You're welcome to your opinion. |
| 21:26.05 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: what about the generic driver? how do I install it if necessary? |
| 21:26.08 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's been pretty stable for a while |
| 21:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | afroman: It's most likely already instlaled, you just need to remove the third-party stuff and it should work by default. |
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| 21:27.34 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: as I said I think I did uninstall the ati driver, and yet same issue |
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| 21:27.58 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: I think I screwed up xorg |
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| 21:30.45 | blurb | hello |
| 21:30.53 | blurb | what is the preferred way on debian to set stripe_cache_size permanently for a raid? |
| 21:31.35 | afroman | jhutchins_wk: or it could also be kde. how do I change from booting into kde to booting into gnome? |
| 21:34.01 | somiaj | blurb: is that something that is set with sysctl? |
| 21:34.14 | somiaj | blurb: i.e. a kernel paramater? |
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| 21:34.31 | blurb | somiaj: no sysfs /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size |
| 21:35.29 | somiaj | well many of those paramaters can be set with sysctl (might look into that) in that case you can use /etc/sysctl.d/foo snippets to set it at boot |
| 21:35.42 | somiaj | I'm usnure on that paticular paramater though |
| 21:35.58 | blurb | i didnt finy any sysctl value for it :( |
| 21:36.27 | blurb | what's the alternative then? |
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| 21:40.07 | somiaj | you can put a simple command in /etc/rc.local (and +x that file) to change it at the end of init scripts, or write a custom init script (but as I said I'm unfamilar with that actual command and don't know if there is a better way) |
| 21:40.29 | somiaj | that way seems a bit 'hackish' to me...do you know what sets that in the first place. Is it part of a raid module paramater when the kernel module is loaded? |
| 21:40.47 | somiaj | if so you can add a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ to include the options to set the default when the module is loaded |
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| 21:44.05 | simonlnu | /sys doesn't get touched by sysctl at all. need to do the echo thing |
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| 21:47.38 | nmschulte | Okay, figured out the issue. The file was in DOS format with UTF-16LE encoding... |
| 21:47.47 | nmschulte | Brasero didn't like that so much. |
| 21:48.10 | nmschulte | Does anyone think that's a bug? |
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| 21:51.08 | somiaj | simonlnu: ahh so what sets the default, is it the various modules/kernel features? |
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| 21:53.00 | mang0 | http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repairrestorereinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd/ Following this guide now, when I got the chrooting in, I got an error upon running `sudo chroot /mnt`. The error says: Chroot failed to run `/sbin/bash` Exec format error. What's up? |
| 21:53.14 | mang0 | Note, I'm trying to fix Debian, so it's slightly related! :) |
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| 21:53.53 | invariant | mang0, wrong architecture perhaps? |
| 21:54.11 | anoob | my mic is mute ... i'm using a headphone ... |
| 21:54.53 | invariant | mang0, if you chroot to a 64 bits OS with a 32 bits kernel, your kernel is going to complain. |
| 21:55.48 | Shoya | umm |
| 21:55.49 | nobie | what is first line of ldd /mnt/sbin/bash? |
| 21:56.14 | Shoya | ompaul, sney, it finished |
| 21:56.23 | jelly-home | mang0: also, asking the same thing in multiple channels at the same time? Not nice |
| 21:56.31 | Shoya | but....something went wrong, lemme put up the pastebin.com |
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| 21:56.59 | mang0 | jelly: I don't see why not, I'm not spamming it in the same channel, I'm asking all the people that I feel may be able to help me.. |
| 21:57.05 | mang0 | You did, so thanks |
| 21:57.23 | jelly-home | mang0: and half of them don't see what the other half answered |
| 21:57.48 | jelly-home | so they reiterate the same stuff and waste time needlessly |
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| 21:58.17 | mang0 | jelly-home: True, but normally when i get an answer, I notify said channels...ah well, i won't do it again. |
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| 21:58.20 | nsadmin | is that the only arg against crossposting? |
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| 21:59.29 | themill | nsadmin: does there need to be more? |
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| 21:59.59 | ompaul | there is the conflicting advise because people are driving at different ways to the same root cause |
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| 22:00.32 | Shoya | man, i forgot to pull unlimited scrollback |
| 22:00.35 | jelly-home | mang0: just serialize the queries, when one channel stops move to the next and bring all the information you learned in the first |
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| 22:00.56 | ompaul | Shoya: good |
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| 22:01.14 | mang0 | jelly-home: Right, will do so in future |
| 22:01.18 | ompaul | Shoya: apt-get -f install |
| 22:01.26 | Shoya | anyway, ompaul, says "E: COuldn't configure pre-depend xml-core for docbook-xml, probably a dependency cycle" |
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| 22:02.28 | ompaul | Shoya: apt-get remove docbook-xml and then try to du eventually you will remove whatever is blocking and you are almost there (according to my memory of a few days ago |
| 22:03.03 | ompaul | Shoya: your friends in terms of commands are apt-get -f install and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:04.36 | Shoya | http://pastebin.com/hngPCmUu @ ompaul, check it |
| 22:05.26 | ompaul | Shoya: @ is not needed this is irc and the better pastebin is paste.debian.net |
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| 22:05.34 | Shoya | apt-get autoremove what it says and also apt-get remove docbook-xml? |
| 22:06.17 | ompaul | Shoya: the latter is what I want the rest is ok too |
| 22:06.24 | Shoya | aight |
| 22:06.28 | Shoya | btw |
| 22:06.43 | Shoya | ok |
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| 22:07.39 | ompaul | Shoya: please keep it on one line, not multiple lines |
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| 22:09.22 | Shoya | sorry, umm ok, this is happening... http://paste.debian.net/208724/ |
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| 22:10.53 | ompaul | Shoya: apt-get autoremove && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:11.02 | Shoya | alright |
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| 22:13.48 | Shoya | uhh, do you think i could do the apt-get dist-upgrade when i get home? it asks me to download almost 1GB worth of updates |
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| 22:15.28 | ompaul | Shoya: do this |
| 22:15.32 | ompaul | apt-get install screen |
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| 22:15.37 | ompaul | screen |
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| 22:15.47 | ompaul | apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
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| 22:15.53 | ompaul | and download the stuff |
| 22:16.09 | ompaul | it can work while you are on the road |
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| 22:16.18 | ompaul | unless you are carrying it under your arm |
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| 22:16.36 | ompaul | you can close the session you are in |
| 22:16.55 | ompaul | and screen -r on the far end when you get onto the machine |
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| 22:23.33 | grothendieck | screen is great! |
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| 22:24.18 | grothendieck | 'C-c d' to detatch from screen, then you can logout SSH, SSH back in later, then 'screen -r' or 'screen -x' to reattach to the process you left running |
| 22:25.08 | Shoya | i suppose, he left |
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| 22:25.12 | Shoya | oh well |
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| 22:25.40 | Shoya | i shall do it at home, i need to learn to use screen though |
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| 22:27.38 | grothendieck | Shoya: here is my ~/.screenrc, which makes it look a bit nicer and makes 'C-t' the command sequence rather than 'C-a' |
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| 22:28.11 | grothendieck | this way emacs-style keybindings aren't broken |
| 22:28.16 | grothendieck | https://github.com/charles-boyd/dotfiles/blob/master/screenrc |
| 22:28.23 | martxel | bye |
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| 22:39.15 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, I figured it out, it was my profile.ini file in .icedove. |
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| 22:49.20 | niekniek | hello! can someone gives me some direction on how to create these yellow/blue menu's you get when i'm installing some deb package? |
| 22:49.52 | niekniek | searching for deb package with menu or stuff like that won't give me a direction... |
| 22:49.56 | sney | niekniek: the debconf menus? |
| 22:50.08 | niekniek | is that where they come from?? |
| 22:50.11 | niekniek | ah |
| 22:50.31 | themill | niekniek: see debconf(7) and debconf-devel(7) for details. |
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| 22:51.39 | niekniek | nice; that's what i've been looking for. searching for ncurses and stuff like that didn't help either |
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| 22:52.57 | themill | niekniek: there are lots of different front-ends to debconf (curses, readline, gtk, kde, ...) too -- debconf isn't tied down to the curses interface |
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| 22:54.12 | niekniek | yeah, very nice. :) i need a curses thing though; woud love to have a progress bar while installing dependencies the thing i'm creating has |
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| 22:57.11 | themill | niekniek: you can't call dpkg or apt from a maintainer script (which is what I assume you mean by that) |
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| 22:58.02 | niekniek | themill: no, but i can put in a lot of dependencies. Can I show a progress bar for those? |
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| 22:58.30 | themill | what does "put in a lot of dependencies" mean? |
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| 22:59.02 | niekniek | i want to be able to transform a basic debian installation to a full installation with all the stuff i need by adding 1 line to the sources.list and then do 1 apt-get |
| 22:59.28 | niekniek | the package which will install will add some stuff to the the sources.list and will have a lot of dependencies in the control file |
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| 22:59.58 | niekniek | so the package itself won't contain a lot but it will cause a lot |
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| 23:00.25 | niekniek | and then it would be nice to show some bar indicating how many packages have been downloaded |
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| 23:01.06 | themill | right -- so these are just a "depends" or "recommends" line in your metapackage's control file. it's apt's job to make nice progress bars for that situation, not your package's. |
| 23:01.07 | niekniek | google shows a lot of efforts to get this :) |
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| 23:02.01 | niekniek | ok, but apt will do it with debconf? |
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| 23:03.55 | ManoftheSea | Hello debian. Might I ask someone for help with IPsec? If I'm trying to use it in Tunnel mode, but my only interface is the public facing one, where do I put the tunnel internal IP? |
| 23:04.13 | ManoftheSea | does it go on the same interface? Does it go on a dummy interface? |
| 23:04.42 | oo_miguel | why is sendmail in /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 23:04.44 | themill | niekniek: there are various frontends to apt that have progress bars of some sort. (even apt-get will show you progress in text mode). |
| 23:05.42 | niekniek | themill: ok, i will have a look, found howto's for it :) thanks for the pointer |
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| 23:05.58 | abrotman | oo_miguel: instead of? |
| 23:06.05 | oo_miguel | /usr/bin |
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| 23:06.14 | abrotman | /usr/lib/ |
| 23:06.21 | abrotman | oo_miguel: symlink? |
| 23:06.28 | oo_miguel | Is it not intended to be used by all users? |
| 23:06.56 | oo_miguel | there is no symlink in /usr/bin by default |
| 23:07.33 | Tramp | oo_miguel: users don't interact with the MTA directly |
| 23:07.52 | oo_miguel | I want to setup mutt to use this |
| 23:07.58 | themill | niekniek: there's a way of having apt print out information like that for a progress bar because that's what the installer uses. I've never looked at how it does it though. |
| 23:07.59 | oo_miguel | and send mails via smtp |
| 23:08.08 | oo_miguel | through my web mail provider |
| 23:08.13 | oo_miguel | is this possible with exim4? |
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| 23:09.21 | niekniek | themill: ah, sounds like a logical way to go. It just needs to read the overall percentage thing and then show it the ncurses way |
| 23:10.10 | k-man | is there any point putting a hostname in a static ip section in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:10.40 | niekniek | k-man: afaik hostnames should be in /etc/hosts |
| 23:10.55 | k-man | ok |
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| 23:18.02 | irule | hi, does the regular kernel include l7 in 6.0.6? |
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| 23:20.10 | babilen | irule: What is l7? |
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| 23:20.50 | EmleyMoor | irule: ... other than the opposite of C Moon... |
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| 23:21.59 | babilen | ,i l7-filter-userspace |
| 23:22.00 | judd | Package l7-filter-userspace (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: Userspace layer 7 packet classifier. Version: 0.11-4; Size: 36.3k; Installed: 136k; Homepage: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/; O: #639081 |
| 23:22.15 | babilen | best educated guess ^^^ |
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| 23:25.15 | jelly-home | there's also the kernel part |
| 23:25.39 | babilen | sure (and that is presumably what irule asks about -- but irule doesn't seem to care anymore) |
| 23:25.44 | jelly-home | irule: no, debian's kernel is not l7 enabled |
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| 23:26.54 | jelly-home | I'm not sure l7 is still alive at all |
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| 23:27.05 | themill | it's not from the debian end |
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| 23:35.40 | little_owl | It seems that UEFI boot for weekly/nightly builds is broken. It behaves as the kernel in the efi image and modules on the medium don't match. Beta seems to be OK. Being new to Debian, I don't know where to report it. |
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| 23:40.28 | LtL | little_owl: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 23:46.06 | little_owl | LtL: Thanks. What is the best "package" to report such problem - a broken installer? |
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| 23:46.54 | LtL | little_owl: d-i possibly, yes the installer. |
| 23:47.10 | little_owl | OK :-D |
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| 23:48.26 | themill | little_owl: asking in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net would probably be a reasonable first step. This may well be known to them already |
| 23:49.01 | Devastator | I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE and it seems to have an example of /etc/interfaces, if I understand it correctly, does it mean it will "dial" during boot? |
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| 23:49.58 | Shoya | uhh umm... |
| 23:50.15 | sney | Devastator: yes, when /etc/init.d/networking is invoked |
| 23:50.21 | Shoya | it doesn't let me do dist-upgrade when trying to change to wheezy from squeeze |
| 23:50.29 | HardDisk_WP | how can I make my debian server in the internet provide a safe VNC login for 3-4 users? |
| 23:50.47 | Devastator | sney perfect! exactly what I wanted hehe |
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| 23:50.59 | HardDisk_WP | i dont care if the authentification happens via kdm or via vnc auth |
| 23:51.21 | themill | Shoya: real commands and their entire output in a pastebin is more useful |
| 23:51.21 | sney | HardDisk_WP: I'd just use rdesktop for that. it's not technically vnc, but it has built-in auth |
| 23:51.38 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208744/ themill |
| 23:52.12 | themill | ahh, that one. fun. |
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| 23:52.22 | sney | Shoya: just remove the gcc-4.4 and docbook stuff. you can always reinstall it later, after the upgrade |
| 23:52.27 | peterS | wow. remind me never to run 'smartctl -a' on a disk actively being read. this one spewed 14 errors and then read throughput dropped from around 100 MB/s to more like 20 MB/s. |
| 23:52.31 | Shoya | i was trying to see where i could fix something, since i usually just press the right mouse button and it pastes |
| 23:52.39 | HardDisk_WP | sney, uh, according to wikipedia, rdesktop is client-software? |
| 23:52.46 | Shoya | i already did that, lemme check though |
| 23:53.00 | sney | HardDisk_WP: sorry, I always get the names switched. rdesktop is the client and xrdp is the server |
| 23:53.25 | sney | and they both use the rdp protocol, which is a microsoft thing, I think. but it does the job well and it's cross platform, so |
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| 23:53.57 | HardDisk_WP | ah kk |
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| 23:55.32 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208746/ |
| 23:56.28 | Shoya | sney, themill: that's what apt-cache show outputs, and when i do apt-get remove, i get that |
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| 23:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | sney, any idea how to fix the f**d up graphics? |
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| 23:59.15 | themill | Shoya: from memory, you need to "dpkg --remove --force-deps xml-core yelp" and then you can persuade apt to get going again. |
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