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| 00:01.48 | Shoya | themill: shows "dpkg: unknown force/refuse option 'deps'" |
| 00:02.00 | peterS | --force-help |
| 00:02.14 | peterS | ...will lead you to --force-depends |
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| 00:02.49 | themill | Shoya: err, sorry. --force-depends not --force-deps |
| 00:02.54 | Shoya | so i suppose themill wanted to say that i should do, yeah that |
| 00:03.04 | peterS | dpkg -i themill |
| 00:03.04 | dpkg | removes a kidney from peters and replaces it with themill |
| 00:03.16 | themill | !pal peterS |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | points at peterS and laughs uproariously |
| 00:03.31 | peterS | themill: I knew the bot would do _something_ with -i, I just forgot what exactly |
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| 00:03.54 | Shoya | dpkg -c peterS |
| 00:03.56 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 2399 2003-9-24 10:32:51 ./usr/share/peterS/pr0n/jenna_jamison.jpg |
| 00:04.13 | jelly-home | jameson*, dpkg |
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| 00:04.35 | Nik05 | yey bot spamming :P |
| 00:04.42 | peterS | right, apparently dpkg doesn't think I can spell |
| 00:05.06 | jelly-home | or that your pron collection has incorrect meat-a-data |
| 00:05.09 | peterS | anyway that's an odd filename, if I had files of her to share, I'd surely have more than one |
| 00:05.11 | Shoya | so themill, i use umm...apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:05.56 | Shoya | it, hopefully, removed xml-core, but didn't remove yelp since i didn't have it installed |
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| 00:06.11 | themill | oh... hmm.. that's normally what has dragged it in |
| 00:06.38 | themill | Shoya: yeah, have a crack at it. You might need to "apt-get -f install" first |
| 00:07.25 | Shoya | says sgml-base is no longer required |
| 00:07.41 | themill | yeah, don't worry about that for the moment |
| 00:07.46 | Shoya | ok |
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| 00:08.03 | Shoya | so apt-get autoremove and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:08.13 | themill | don't worry about autoremoves at this stage |
| 00:08.39 | Shoya | same error as first pastebin i sent ya |
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| 00:09.19 | Shoya | wonder what's causing the error, maybe i should apt-get remove docbook-xml docbook gcc-4.4? |
| 00:09.29 | themill | haven't you already done that? |
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| 00:09.34 | Shoya | uh no |
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| 00:09.41 | Shoya | well |
| 00:10.02 | Shoya | docbook-xml and gcc-4.4 are removed |
| 00:10.05 | Shoya | but not docbook |
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| 00:10.35 | Shoya | lemme go remove docbook then |
| 00:11.05 | thiss | hi, what's my options for copying debian iso on a usb stick? |
| 00:11.29 | Shoya | weird, it says its not installed |
| 00:11.34 | Shoya | WHAT'S GOING ON |
| 00:11.42 | Nik05 | thiss use dd |
| 00:11.56 | thiss | Nik05: dd? |
| 00:12.02 | thiss | what if I want to multiboot? |
| 00:12.07 | Nik05 | yes dd |
| 00:12.17 | thiss | but, I can only copy one image? |
| 00:12.17 | nevyn | thiss: so what os are you on right now? |
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| 00:12.44 | themill | Shoya: what does "aptitude -W full-upgrade" want to do? the full output will include some additional debugging info |
| 00:12.49 | thiss | live usb ... I am using yumi but debian wheezy didn't work |
| 00:13.03 | thiss | debian live didn't work |
| 00:13.24 | nevyn | thiss: use another usb stick |
| 00:13.33 | nevyn | does usb boot even support multiboot? |
| 00:13.34 | thiss | the usb stick is brand new |
| 00:13.43 | Nik05 | thiss please explain more i dont get it :P |
| 00:13.50 | thiss | I went to pendrivelinux |
| 00:14.01 | Nik05 | oh |
| 00:14.07 | thiss | Nik05: I installed yumi in windows and added debian live .iso I downloaded |
| 00:14.23 | Nik05 | no idea what yumi is |
| 00:14.27 | thiss | but, you have to choose 'your own .iso' option |
| 00:15.02 | thiss | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 00:15.36 | thiss | I think it only allows debian sqeeze |
| 00:15.47 | herrkey | Probably not a problem with Debian, though. |
| 00:15.53 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208750/ themill no option chosen though |
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| 00:16.20 | thiss | herrkey: well, debian live wouldn't boot |
| 00:16.34 | thiss | the iso I used and I know it was good because I checked the md5sum |
| 00:16.38 | thiss | hash |
| 00:18.19 | themill | Shoya: Cancel that... aptitude doesn't handle squeeze->wheezy nicely, I just wanted to get some more information there. what does "aptitude install xml-core" do? |
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| 00:18.29 | herrkey | What image did you use, thiss ? |
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| 00:19.44 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208752/ |
| 00:20.15 | tjoy | Is there a backport of Apache2 forthcoming for squeeze to disable SSL compression in mod_ssl, as exploited by the CRIME attack? |
| 00:20.20 | gnugr | Shoya:did you migrate to wheezy? |
| 00:20.30 | thiss | from here |
| 00:20.32 | thiss | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/current-next/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 00:20.40 | thiss | kde one |
| 00:20.58 | themill | Shoya: say "Y", see what happens |
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| 00:22.30 | herrkey | thiss, try the usb-hdd one. |
| 00:22.37 | Shoya | gnugr, trying |
| 00:22.45 | gnugr | good |
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| 00:23.33 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208753/ themill |
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| 00:24.06 | themill | Shoya: great. Try the apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 00:24.24 | thiss | herrkey: where???? |
| 00:24.35 | Shoya | ...FFS |
| 00:24.37 | herrkey | that same website has them |
| 00:25.03 | Shoya | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) themill |
| 00:25.14 | themill | Shoya: heh... you really are having a rough time of it |
| 00:25.36 | thiss | herrkey: you mean debian squeeze... |
| 00:25.55 | herrkey | I mean whatever usb-hdd image they have there. |
| 00:25.56 | Shoya | well, as long as i can get wine on it and play, i'm ok |
| 00:26.02 | thiss | does debian wheezy work with live? |
| 00:26.16 | themill | Shoya: «dpkg --purge --force-depends phonon phonon-backend-xine; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade» should work through that one |
| 00:26.21 | thiss | can I upgrade squeeze to wheezy or testing then?/// |
| 00:26.51 | thiss | I might want to use kernel 3.4 or 3.5... but, min. 3.2 |
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| 00:27.11 | herrkey | There may be live images for wheezy. |
| 00:27.22 | herrkey | You can always make your own, though. That's the point of Debian live. |
| 00:27.52 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208754/ themill |
| 00:28.01 | Shoya | for dpkg --purge |
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| 00:28.26 | thiss | how do I make my own? |
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| 00:28.36 | thiss | I have seen that page but I don't know what options to choose |
| 00:28.36 | themill | Shoya: sure. dpkg kills a cat every time you use --force-* with it. But that looks fine now |
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| 00:29.41 | herrkey | It's very easy, and well-documented. |
| 00:29.42 | Shoya | you just broke it themill, geez, output for apt-get -f install (no choice yet) http://paste.debian.net/208755/ |
| 00:29.50 | thiss | what does the true and false mean? |
| 00:30.22 | themill | Shoya: you should be right to say Y to that. |
| 00:31.21 | Shoya | holy |
| 00:31.34 | Shoya | god, damn what just happened |
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| 00:31.43 | themill | hopefully lots of upgrading! |
| 00:32.05 | Shoya | some weir window came out |
| 00:32.11 | Shoya | weird* |
| 00:32.27 | themill | are you doing this inside a graphical login session? |
| 00:32.32 | Shoya | uhh |
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| 00:32.34 | Shoya | you mean |
| 00:32.38 | Shoya | on Konsole? yes |
| 00:32.39 | themill | inside kde |
| 00:33.35 | themill | hmm... kde doesn't like being upgraded while it's running, and you need to be careful that kdm is not restarted while you're doing the upgrade. Generally, running inside "screen" or doing it on console is safer |
| 00:34.01 | peterrooney | themill: really? so glad I don't use kde |
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| 00:34.11 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/208760/ themill |
| 00:34.37 | themill | peterrooney: actually, it's the same for most graphical environments which is why the release notes tell you not to do that |
| 00:34.44 | Shoya | SAMBA |
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| 00:35.23 | themill | Shoya: sure -- that's the NEWS files associated with these upgrades. You might like to read over it briefly to see if there's anything there that's really important to you. q to quit at the end. |
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| 00:36.10 | Shoya | *dancing samba* now it's doing the "updates" |
| 00:36.16 | Shoya | more like |
| 00:36.24 | Shoya | it's taking kde out, uh oh |
| 00:36.34 | Shoya | crap crap crap |
| 00:37.03 | themill | Shoya: you can just "aptitude install kde-standard" at the end. Don't worry about that |
| 00:37.07 | Shoya | oh |
| 00:37.17 | Shoya | but i'm on kde while it's doing that |
| 00:37.30 | Shoya | this is going to be bad.... |
| 00:37.37 | Shoya | brb |
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| 00:39.52 | abrotman | notes 'bad' may be subjective :) |
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| 00:46.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need some helps |
| 00:47.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell Eryn_1983_FL -about ask |
| 00:47.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | I got lvm and raid setup on my ubuntu |
| 00:47.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying its a long questgion |
| 00:47.33 | Shoya | ok, it finished themill, need the output for it? |
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| 00:47.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | I need to setup my path.. |
| 00:48.02 | themill | Shoya: no, if it finished ok, then all is good. You can now "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:48.17 | peterrooney | Eryn_1983_FL: you'll get better help on #ubuntu - also, "/msg dpkg based on debian" |
| 00:48.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | its a livedvd, i am trying to repair my grub2, which uses raid+lvm2, |
| 00:48.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | no no, |
| 00:48.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | its debian dvd is ubntu.. |
| 00:49.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i seem to be having some library problems. |
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| 00:49.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think its the path.. |
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| 00:49.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i mounted my hd root, usr, dev and sys |
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| 00:50.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i cant seem to find my libs |
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| 00:50.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 00:50.51 | _dunno | what's the purpose of LVM on top of raid? |
| 00:50.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | does it matter is use ubuntu to resuce debain in this way. |
| 00:50.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i grow stuf |
| 00:51.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am getting a pyshon share library error |
| 00:52.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | when i try to run the grub command |
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| 00:52.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | zI basically did this http://blog.mydream.com.hk/howto/linux/howto-reinstall-grub-in-rescue-mode-while-using-lvm-mdadm and mounted my /usr too |
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| 00:52.46 | Shoya | need the output of dist-upgrade themill? |
| 00:52.56 | themill | Shoya: not if it completed successfully ;) |
| 00:53.02 | Shoya | when it finishes |
| 00:53.06 | Shoya | if it ever does |
| 00:53.11 | Shoya | god, i'm going to die |
| 00:53.13 | themill | heh it will take a while |
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| 00:54.08 | themill | Shoya: btw what architecture is this? (amd64, i386?) and what did you have installed before? I'm just wondering how to reproduce these problems to then be able to fix them |
| 00:54.27 | Shoya | amd64, i had nothing before |
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| 00:54.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to install python on the dvd |
| 00:54.40 | Shoya | well...i had squeeze before |
| 00:54.47 | Shoya | if that counts as something |
| 00:55.31 | Shoya | had, installed deluge, umm....flashplayerplugin-nonfree, umm...wine i think....and irssi |
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| 01:01.52 | Shoya | !tell Shoya about grep |
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| 01:02.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | so does anybody have an idea why the libraries are not working? |
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| 01:03.14 | Shoya | an approximate of how long it takes to finish? themill |
| 01:03.27 | gnarface | because you forgot to return your books on time, Eryn_1983_FL |
| 01:03.35 | Shoya | lol |
| 01:04.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | .. |
| 01:04.19 | themill | Shoya: for a full installation of kde? it's going to take a while to download and install everything. Depends on the speed of your network connection and disks, in the end. |
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| 01:05.02 | Shoya | nah, the dist-upgrade, also "moving obsolete file....out of the way" |
| 01:05.24 | Shoya | and KDE, i think it takes around 1 hour or two |
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| 01:06.16 | 1JTAAQKTU | question im running i3-wm right but im using gdm as the default desktop to load i3 .. when when gdm loads i3 and i log in what file is being called |
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| 01:06.47 | 1JTAAQKTU | the reason why im asking this is becuase in my .xinitrc i have feh --bg-scale <path to my image> |
| 01:06.52 | 1JTAAQKTU | for some reason im getting gdm's image |
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| 01:07.04 | 1JTAAQKTU | im assuming i load gdm's conf or what ? |
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| 01:07.36 | lasers` | 1JTAAQKTU: Could be gdm. Could be nautilus. |
| 01:07.43 | 1JTAAQKTU | how do i know ? |
| 01:08.02 | 1JTAAQKTU | Customizing the GDM appearance |
| 01:08.03 | 1JTAAQKTU | GDM v3.0+ allows for some basic customization, such as changing the logo icon, display background, and GTK theme. To do so: |
| 01:08.03 | 1JTAAQKTU | Edit /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults as root |
| 01:08.04 | 1JTAAQKTU | but |
| 01:08.10 | 1JTAAQKTU | remember im only using gdm to load i3-2m |
| 01:08.18 | 1JTAAQKTU | s/i3-2m/i3-wm/ |
| 01:08.49 | lasers` | 1JTAAQKTU: Is GDM absolutely required? |
| 01:09.13 | 1JTAAQKTU | lasers`, i had issues so yea i need it |
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| 01:10.09 | lasers` | 1JTAAQKTU: You might want to ask #gnome about GDM-related questions, but not about i3-wm. |
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| 01:11.47 | Shoya_ | NOOOO i made something stupid! i minimized apt-get and my other irssi window T_T |
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| 01:12.00 | Shoya_ | and now, i don't have a DE to retrieve the windows from |
| 01:12.05 | Shoya_ | !seen Shoya |
| 01:12.05 | dpkg | shoya is currently on #debian (1h 24m 2s). Has said a total of 65 messages. Is idling for 6m 41s, last said: 'and KDE, i think it takes around 1 hour or two'. |
| 01:12.19 | Shoya_ | at least, he's still alive... |
| 01:15.03 | simonlnu | !tell Shoya_ about msgthebot |
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| 01:17.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | can somebody help me with the grub ? |
| 01:17.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | its the libries it can be found.. |
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| 01:19.43 | herrkey | What's wrong with "the grub"? |
| 01:20.08 | simonlnu | not enough of it i guess |
| 01:20.40 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: tell us what you are trying to do with the grub |
| 01:20.52 | simonlnu | cook it, i hope |
| 01:21.00 | gnarface | they taste better if you use soy sauce |
| 01:21.07 | simonlnu | often |
| 01:21.10 | gnarface | incidentally so does pizza |
| 01:21.13 | gnarface | but that's weird |
| 01:21.43 | simonlnu | soy sauce on pizza? o_O. i may try that some time random |
| 01:23.27 | 1JTAAQKTU | lasers`, your right i fixed the issue i had i started i3 with startx |
| 01:23.30 | 1JTAAQKTU | i think i fixed my issue |
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| 01:26.46 | goosey | Hello. Can somebody help me with cp -r dir1 dir2 |
| 01:27.03 | goosey | it seems when it's done a second time dir1 sits in dir2 |
| 01:27.10 | goosey | How can I prevent that |
| 01:27.58 | Shoya_ | themill: so i should do "apt-get install kde-standard knm" right? |
| 01:28.22 | nsadmin | you should experiment, mkdir test1 ; mkdir test1/dir1 ; touch test1/dir1/hello1 |
| 01:28.28 | goosey | cp -r 1 2, would copy 1 to 2. doing it again would put 1 in 2 so 2/1. I just want it to overwrite it everytime |
| 01:28.44 | nsadmin | then cd test1 and try what you want |
| 01:28.47 | gnarface | goosey: did you read the cp man page? |
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| 01:29.00 | goosey | parts of it |
| 01:29.11 | Shoya_ | why not all? |
| 01:29.19 | gnarface | goosey: read the part where it says -t --target-directory=DIRECTORY |
| 01:29.19 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.37 | nsadmin | then remove 2 |
| 01:29.41 | gnarface | goosey: woops -T, --no-target-directory |
| 01:29.41 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.08 | gnarface | goosey: or you know, you could just move it out of the way |
| 01:30.10 | nsadmin | consider each of these as things to try |
| 01:30.27 | goosey | Can't remove it |
| 01:30.33 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 01:30.34 | goosey | it needs to be done insteantly |
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| 01:30.47 | goosey | it's just part of the requirements |
| 01:30.51 | nsadmin | and instead it's done _________? |
| 01:30.54 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 01:31.00 | Tramp | goosey: http://tramp.mm.st/recursively-copy-a-directory-using-cp-tar-or-rsync.txt |
| 01:31.01 | nsadmin | part of what requirements? |
| 01:31.11 | Tramp | of his homework |
| 01:31.48 | nsadmin | then we should stop, he has a good amount of material to experiment with, let him be to experiment |
| 01:32.02 | goosey | who said it was homework |
| 01:32.10 | herrkey | I don't get what he's trying to do... |
| 01:32.21 | goosey | the files need to be accessed all the time |
| 01:32.27 | goosey | they need to be replaced at some point |
| 01:32.44 | herrkey | I was about to suggest "cp -r dir1 dir2" the first time, and "cp -r dir1/* dir2" the second. |
| 01:32.46 | goosey | deleting the entire directory leaves many files not there while the copy is taking place |
| 01:33.02 | goosey | thogh doing a running copy leaves them in place |
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| 01:33.07 | nsadmin | if you overwrite files, same thing. |
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| 01:33.29 | goosey | nsadmin: overwriting them is fine. very different than them not being there,. |
| 01:34.29 | goosey | leys say I delete them. Then start a process of copying that takes 40 seconds. If somebody asks for the last file they wont have it for 40 seconds. Though if I overwrite they will and may be inconvienced by time it is being overwritten. |
| 01:34.42 | goosey | though since the inode will still exist it will still be read |
| 01:35.54 | gnarface | goosey: dear fucking god this is stupid why not use rsync then? |
| 01:36.37 | herrkey | deer fucking what? |
| 01:36.45 | nsadmin | then he would have to read the docs... and he needs a solution that's "instantaneous" |
| 01:37.10 | goosey | gnarface: I could. Seems like a bit much for something that should be very easy. But it may come to that. |
| 01:37.19 | herrkey | It *is* easy. |
| 01:37.24 | herrkey | ...as soon as you read the docs. |
| 01:37.36 | goosey | I know how to use rsync, I use it everyday |
| 01:37.43 | herrkey | String theory is easy after you read the books. |
| 01:37.45 | gnarface | goosey: don't be so lazy, if you actually read the docs it becomes far easier than you think |
| 01:37.47 | goosey | it's a lot more resource intensive than cp though |
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| 01:38.14 | goosey | this project is for extremely low resource systems. |
| 01:38.15 | herrkey | Probably so, as it sorts the files and shit. |
| 01:38.16 | nsadmin | from what you're saying maybe you need acid compliance |
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| 01:39.31 | gnarface | goosey: why do you have to be writing to the data you're serving? can't you just copy to a temporary directory on the same disk first? |
| 01:39.35 | goosey | you need to use -c to make rsync truly work as we need which could be a lot of checksumming |
| 01:40.04 | goosey | gnarface: it still needs to be served sometime. |
| 01:40.23 | gnarface | goosey: don't pretend you know shit about rsync after glancing at the freaking man page ass |
| 01:40.35 | goosey | gnarface: ok. |
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| 01:40.55 | goosey | arent't you neat |
| 01:40.56 | goosey | lol |
| 01:41.16 | herrkey | rsync is confusing. |
| 01:41.21 | nsadmin | maybe you need a database -- and NOT mysql |
| 01:41.30 | herrkey | Using "/" to mean "*" sucks. |
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| 01:41.33 | gnarface | its so not, the manpage is just in the wrong order but you do have to read it all anyway |
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| 01:42.21 | goosey | given the scope rsync is not the right tool for the job |
| 01:43.04 | goosey | thanks though everybody good day |
| 01:43.20 | peterrooney | goosey: you still haven't mentioned the scope |
| 01:43.44 | goosey | peterrooney: certainly have see 20:38 |
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| 01:45.08 | herrkey | Maybe I'm slow, but I still don't know what exactly you're trying to do. |
| 01:45.53 | peterrooney | herrkey: evade the semantics of the cp command |
| 01:45.59 | dondelelcaro | goosey: why doesn't rsync work, possibly with --delete-after? |
| 01:46.31 | goosey | dondelelcaro: because I will have to do checksums on the files causing too much computation. |
| 01:46.45 | dondelelcaro | goosey: you don't have to do checksums |
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| 01:47.55 | dondelelcaro | goosey: by default rsync doesn't use checksums unless you set -c or --check. |
| 01:47.59 | herrkey | So basically you want to synchronize two directories? |
| 01:48.34 | goosey | dondelelcaro: yeah I know and using mdate is easily fooled. |
| 01:49.03 | goosey | there's all sorts of gotcha's you have to deal with |
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| 01:49.37 | dondelelcaro | goosey: right, but if you don't want to do checksumming, you'll have to live with that. |
| 01:50.31 | goosey | dondelelcaro: wel with cp you don't have a delta algo so it just copies everytime. It's not making decisions, they are already made. I don't know if there's a way to make rsync do that which even so I may as well just use cp |
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| 01:51.07 | dondelelcaro | goosey: see -W. |
| 01:51.21 | dondelelcaro | goosey: again, rsync has tons of options, and does almost anything you can think of. Read its manpage. |
| 01:52.15 | nsadmin | where's the make me money NOW option? |
| 01:52.23 | herrkey | It defaults to using modification times and size, though. |
| 01:52.32 | herrkey | Unless you tell it to use checksums. |
| 01:52.42 | herrkey | He wants neither of the three. |
| 01:52.52 | dondelelcaro | herrkey: so? if you don't want it to do that, you can use -I. |
| 01:53.17 | herrkey | Perhaps you could hand the users a notepad and a pencil and tell them to keep track of the changes they've made and to which files... |
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| 01:53.41 | nsadmin | you just invented version control |
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| 01:54.01 | dondelelcaro | or if you just want size, see --size. |
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| 01:54.44 | peterrooney | I think rsync has more options than tar |
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| 01:55.09 | dondelelcaro | it does, though tar has too many options, really. |
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| 01:57.38 | goosey | thanks guys have a good night. I'll look into rsync |
| 01:57.48 | gnarface | idiot |
| 01:58.50 | peterrooney | gnarface! |
| 01:58.57 | gnarface | sorry |
| 01:59.01 | peterrooney | preferable is "Silly goose" |
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| 01:59.10 | herrkey | Why so aggressive? |
| 01:59.19 | herrkey | Oh... he's left... nevermind. |
| 01:59.25 | gnarface | 1) read the fucking manpage when its easy |
| 01:59.25 | herrkey | What a goose. |
| 01:59.48 | gnarface | 2) rsync will copy so many fewer files that it will end up being less resources anyway |
| 01:59.55 | gnarface | he's gonna cp the whole damned dir |
| 01:59.59 | gnarface | cause he thinks its faster |
| 02:00.03 | gnarface | yeaaa |
| 02:00.09 | gnarface | on embedded hardware or something |
| 02:00.14 | gnarface | dumb |
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| 02:00.56 | gnarface | takes a deep breath |
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| 02:03.48 | peterrooney | not dumb, just unable to let go of preconceived notions. |
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| 02:04.25 | themill | Shoya_: not sure what you think "knm" is. kdm perhaps? yes, that should work for you |
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| 02:05.01 | mattp_ | i have linux kernel linux-headers-3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 02:05.10 | mattp_ | this package doesnt exist though.. how can i get the source? |
| 02:05.50 | themill | mattp_: you need to upgrade your kernel and get the updated kernel and header packages |
| 02:06.08 | themill | ,kernel --release wheezy |
| 02:06.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1) |
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| 02:06.18 | mattp_ | themill: how do i do that? |
| 02:06.23 | themill | mattp_: ^^ you'll see it's a -4- kernel package now not a -3- kernel. |
| 02:06.30 | mattp_ | will an apt-get update upgrade do it |
| 02:06.56 | themill | mattp_: aptitude update; aptitude install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae |
| 02:07.47 | peterrooney | echo $( man rsync | grep -c -- ^\ *--) $( man tar | grep -c -- ^\ *-- ) # yeilds 189 93 |
| 02:07.54 | mattp_ | themill: thank you sir |
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| 02:20.56 | Shoya_ | well this is going to take a while |
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| 02:21.36 | dvs | what? |
| 02:21.46 | Shoya_ | kde-standard |
| 02:21.52 | Shoya_ | apt-get install |
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| 02:23.11 | Shoya_ | wait, what? ....i don't even get this, normally it would take a whole bunch of time to do it, right? seems like it was there all the time...didn't need me to download it again, HALLELUYAH |
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| 02:23.54 | Shoya_ | then again, says i have to autoremove some packages, i should, right? |
| 02:24.37 | Shoya | had to get the other one off, since well i was already connected in here |
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| 02:26.09 | _Brett_ | ubuntu has an extra 400 users tonight lol |
| 02:26.16 | _Brett_ | debian is in 2nd place |
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| 02:36.41 | belak | Ok, so, I'm trying to install build-essential, but it tells me libstdc++6: Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed. and won't let me install it |
| 02:36.45 | belak | What should I do? |
| 02:37.30 | gnarface | peterrooney: they're gonna blame it on linux and switch to a windows solution, you know that? and the windows solution will cost more money and work better as far as they can tell but in fact is doing the exact same thing as rsync but its a closed box so they dunno |
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| 02:38.43 | blackness | i didnt know the channel count was a race :P |
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| 02:39.27 | _Brett_ | i'm just surprised to see debian in 2nd |
| 02:39.39 | Shoya | who's winning? |
| 02:39.42 | Shoya | the kid? |
| 02:40.35 | blackness | i'd consider ubuntu channel part of this one, as alot of the people here are in that channel..and vice versa |
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| 02:41.34 | Shoya | belak, tried doing "apt-get remove gcc-4.4" ? |
| 02:42.00 | belak | Shoya: that isn't installed |
| 02:42.05 | _Brett_ | oh. and ubuntu is debian derived |
| 02:42.06 | _Brett_ | lol |
| 02:42.09 | Shoya | hmm |
| 02:42.29 | blackness | _Brett_, i know.. |
| 02:42.30 | Shoya | it isn't installed, darn i need to check my console log, lemme remember what i did for that |
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| 02:44.42 | blackness | Other then: apt-get -s upgrade|grep installed|cut -d' ' -f1, how can i get the count of packages to upgrade? |
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| 02:49.09 | simonlnu | #ubuntu isn't part of this one |
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| 02:52.02 | peterrooney | blackness: apt-get --recon upgrade | grep -c ^Conf would be my first try |
| 02:52.32 | blackness | does it simulate the upgrade? |
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| 02:54.02 | peterrooney | blackness: yes, --recon is short for reconnoissance, eg. look but don't touch |
| 02:54.40 | Siphonblast | Hey you beautiful people, how do I make Xmonad my default window manager? I used update-alternatives, but it seems to still not be doing anything (i.e., my windows aren't tiling). |
| 02:54.43 | blackness | samething as -s then..i seen this on arch linux, but it didnt simulate or anything..in fact the command took less then 2 seconds to show me it had 118 packages to update |
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| 02:58.16 | Shoya | hmm what to do |
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| 02:58.58 | blackness | anyone know how to make the bottom half of your screen look like a pool of water, that mirrors the top half of the image? |
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| 03:00.09 | Shoya | god i have a bunch of stuff to autoremove |
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| 03:01.19 | peterrooney | blackness: use the old enlightenment, e16? |
| 03:02.11 | blackness | aww, i wanted to keep using openbox. |
| 03:02.17 | blackness | didnt know if there was an overlay |
| 03:02.41 | Shoya | hmm hopefully wine installs alright now in wheezy |
| 03:02.47 | blackness | ew, wine :P |
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| 03:04.07 | Shoya | what you use, crossover? blackness? |
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| 03:05.41 | blackness | i just use a normal gpu.. |
| 03:05.44 | Shoya | -_- |
| 03:05.48 | blackness | ill get the card in a moment. |
| 03:05.52 | Shoya | what? |
| 03:06.10 | blackness | crossover as in? |
| 03:06.13 | Shoya | the card, what are you talking about? |
| 03:06.19 | blackness | just to make sure im following that your asking. |
| 03:06.22 | Shoya | as in the software? |
| 03:06.26 | blackness | nope.. |
| 03:06.47 | Shoya | i don't even know what we are talking about anymore! |
| 03:06.56 | blackness | what is 'crossover' ? |
| 03:07.13 | blackness | we're trying to have the bottom half of my screen look like a pool of water ;p |
| 03:07.21 | Shoya | www.codeweavers.com |
| 03:07.39 | Shoya | it's like wine |
| 03:07.49 | blackness | yeah i dont think this will help me.. :P |
| 03:08.17 | Shoya | gee, stop talking nonsense |
| 03:08.29 | Shoya | and why did you say "ew, wine" |
| 03:08.57 | blackness | because wine is nasty.. if i need windows support, emulate ;) |
| 03:09.49 | blackness | looks like what i need is compiz. |
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| 03:23.29 | 1JTAAQKTU | how can i copy a directory from another parition with same permissions ? |
| 03:23.33 | 1JTAAQKTU | cp -R didn't workin |
| 03:23.37 | 1JTAAQKTU | rsync ? |
| 03:23.59 | dvs | cp -a ? |
| 03:25.01 | 1JTAAQKTU | rsync worked also |
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| 03:29.20 | tyrmored | cp -p is what you want |
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| 03:29.40 | tyrmored | oh nvm |
| 03:29.52 | markvandenborre | I have a usb foot pedal here |
| 03:29.53 | tyrmored | cp -a does that, excuse me |
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| 03:30.06 | markvandenborre | that shows up as /dev/input/event1 |
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| 03:30.20 | markvandenborre | well, at least, it outputs there |
| 03:30.43 | safridzal | anyone know where to find greenish icon set for KDE? (like on opensuse) there's nothing like that on testing repo. I've been googling for about an hour and still cant find it. |
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| 03:31.17 | markvandenborre | I can cat that file and see it spew a seemingly random series of characters every time I press the foot pedal |
| 03:31.36 | simonlnu | safridzal: find the theme name, you find the theme; or at least, include "opensuse" in search terms |
| 03:31.55 | markvandenborre | now I have an auto logged in user on tty1 |
| 03:32.39 | markvandenborre | and I want to use this foot pedal in an auto started script that is started on autologin |
| 03:33.14 | markvandenborre | preferably without changing anything to the bash script (it contains a lot of read statements) |
| 03:33.40 | un214 | you could spawn it as sh scriptname |
| 03:33.47 | un214 | or whatever shell |
| 03:34.00 | tyrmored | exec if you want the shell to die with it |
| 03:34.05 | safridzal | simonlnu: lol, i've been googling, using a browser, forgot that KDE setting have this feature already.. solved now.. thanks :D |
| 03:34.07 | markvandenborre | yes indeed, I could start it, in fact I already have |
| 03:34.18 | simonlnu | yeh ;) |
| 03:34.23 | markvandenborre | the problem is receiving input from this keypedal |
| 03:34.37 | markvandenborre | it's a HID device |
| 03:34.53 | markvandenborre | and I'm not sure how it's glued to the rest of the system |
| 03:35.05 | markvandenborre | I can monitor proc |
| 03:35.21 | markvandenborre | or /dev/input/event1 |
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| 03:36.37 | thoonai | hi could someone help me? my xorg isnt doing as it shoul |
| 03:36.40 | thoonai | d |
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| 03:37.32 | thoonai | my xorg isnt displaying anything |
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| 03:40.59 | markvandenborre | thoonai: have you looked at the relevant files in /var/log yet? |
| 03:41.24 | thoonai | ouch, let me try |
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| 03:50.23 | thoonai | markvandenborre: is there a substitute for pastebininit? |
| 03:52.06 | markvandenborre | not sure what you're asking |
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| 03:52.37 | markvandenborre | are you looking for pastie.org and friends? |
| 03:52.47 | thoonai | yes |
| 03:53.11 | thoonai | there was once a cli client for posting it from console |
| 03:53.28 | markvandenborre | ah, sorry, can't say |
| 03:53.51 | markvandenborre | but you should be able to use a recent text based browser in other cases |
| 03:54.03 | markvandenborre | and shift-insert |
| 03:54.16 | markvandenborre | and/org gpm for mouse in your terminal |
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| 03:57.09 | thoonai | markvandenborre: ok here it is: http://pastebin.com/NnbakbmY |
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| 03:58.11 | Shoya | yo, what does this mean? Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.32-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:58.25 | Shoya | that's wheezy? |
| 03:58.48 | Shoya | or is the 2.0.2something is wheezy? |
| 03:59.15 | Shoya | 2.0.29 |
| 03:59.36 | thoonai | markvandenborre: "Follow the on-screen instructions. This should give you something to work with." there are no instructions ... |
| 04:01.07 | Shoya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.10 | thoonai | markvandenborre: hm? |
| 04:04.25 | thoonai | any hint why its failing? |
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| 04:06.15 | markvandenborre | thoonai: sorry, don't see it immediately |
| 04:06.20 | markvandenborre | needs some sleep |
| 04:06.24 | markvandenborre | 'night |
| 04:06.30 | thoonai | markvandenborre: have nice sleepies |
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| 04:08.14 | thoonai | I need still some help ... |
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| 04:13.55 | thoonai | I need some help urgently |
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| 04:16.03 | thoonai | my X is still failing |
| 04:17.37 | qmanjr5_ | My sound isn't working. Everything is unmuted and turned up in alsamixer, and my card appears to be set right. |
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| 04:18.31 | wtf911 | Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) |
| 04:18.31 | wtf911 | DNAT udp -- anywhere cpe-77-252-94-160.stny.res.rr.com udp dpt:19004 to:192.168.1.109:19004 |
| 04:18.48 | wtf911 | can anyone give me the command to duplicate that rule for the table nat? |
| 04:19.17 | redwarriors25 | why i cant send receive email in thunderbird i have routed in proxy server |
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| 04:23.10 | meLon | I've installed pulseaudio and have gotten it configured, but my Volume Up and Volume Down keys seem to still control alsa. How can I change it so that these shortcuts control pulseaudio instead of alsa? |
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| 04:26.24 | thoonai | now someone interested in solving x problems? |
| 04:27.55 | saterblader | what is you problem regarding x? |
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| 04:30.11 | JCDenton | Tried to install YouTube-DL from backports and the script is out of date, broken, and doesn't work. Tried to download YouTube-DL directly and run it from debian, python errors. AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'check_output' |
| 04:30.14 | redwarriors25 | why i cant send receive email in thunderbird i have routed in proxy server |
| 04:30.18 | JCDenton | Any advice? |
| 04:30.26 | meLon | JCDenton: try youtube-dl update |
| 04:30.45 | meLon | Once you've installed it from the repos |
| 04:30.49 | JCDenton | meLon, ERROR: unable to download video webpage: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
| 04:30.55 | JCDenton | or you mean -update |
| 04:30.59 | meLon | JCDenton: try youtube-dl --update |
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| 04:31.56 | JCDenton | meLon, and now /that/ gives errors too :/ |
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| 04:32.15 | JCDenton | http://pastie.org/5369914 |
| 04:32.50 | meLon | Are you using repo version, or version you tried to compile yourself, JCDenton |
| 04:33.20 | JCDenton | Repo version. |
| 04:33.25 | JCDenton | It broke after I ran --update |
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| 04:33.57 | meLon | Sorry, all I know is I installed it from the repos, updated it, and everything worked just fine |
| 04:34.21 | Shoya | is the easiest way to get wine, is to do "apt-get build-dep wine"? |
| 04:35.40 | JCDenton | meLon, use --extract-audio |
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| 04:35.46 | JCDenton | That's the problem apparently. |
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| 04:44.03 | qmanjr5_ | My sound isn't working. Everything is unmuted and turned up in alsamixer, and my card appears to be set right. |
| 04:44.25 | LtL | JCDenton: my youtude-dl isnt working either fyi, repo version, youtube probably changed something |
| 04:47.09 | thoonai | the oncreen instructions from Xorg are gone |
| 04:47.35 | thoonai | after X -config /root/x11.conf.new |
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| 04:52.44 | LtL | meLon: --update worked, thanks |
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| 04:54.17 | crypticmofo | hi |
| 04:54.32 | crypticmofo | is there like a dummy or a default .xsessiosn i can copy to my home dir and go from there ? |
| 04:54.55 | crypticmofo | all i have with .x in home dir is .xinitrc .xsession-errors and .xsession-errors.old |
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| 04:57.09 | nsadmin | crypticmofo start with the thing that when its process goes away, will end the session |
| 04:57.17 | nsadmin | what do you want that to be? |
| 04:57.33 | crypticmofo | umm |
| 04:57.41 | crypticmofo | i don't know what do you mean ? |
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| 05:00.15 | nsadmin | do you understand what is "session"? |
| 05:00.42 | crypticmofo | nsadmin: not really im going to read up o nit normlly i use a wm or a desktop manager or just startx |
| 05:00.50 | crypticmofo | i was adivsed debian dosen't like .xinitrc |
| 05:01.08 | qmanjr5_ | Could somebody assist me in getting my sound working? |
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| 05:02.28 | nsadmin | ok, so your next step is to find the definition of the word "session" |
| 05:02.44 | gnarface | dpkg: tell qmanjr5_ about alsa checklist |
| 05:03.25 | nsadmin | dictionary.com or maybe wikipedia |
| 05:05.12 | nsadmin | crypticmofo, once you've done that, we can continue (we can't if you don't know what a session is) |
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| 05:08.43 | qmanjr5_ | gnarface: Which oss4 packages am I removing? |
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| 05:17.32 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: all of them |
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| 05:19.18 | qmanjr5_ | gnarface: Alright, I didn't have any that I know of. I've passed that entire checklist, still no sound. :/ |
| 05:21.15 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: well its worth noting that programs like vlc are known for locking up the soundcard when they crash. you might have to kill them and reload your soundcard module, but its also possible yours is broken. its worth checking on |
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| 05:22.28 | qmanjr5_ | The card I know isn't broken. It was working earlier today on Windows. It also ran fun on Ubuntu. |
| 05:22.47 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: its not unheard of for certain drivers to fail auto-detecting certain cards correctly and thus output sound on the wrong channels |
| 05:22.54 | qmanjr5_ | However, how can I reload my soundcard? |
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| 05:23.06 | ettinger | what's the latest debian name? sketchy or something |
| 05:23.17 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: you have to find out what the module is named and then modprobe -r it and then modprobe it |
| 05:23.49 | gnarface | ettinger: squeeze |
| 05:23.54 | qmanjr5_ | How do I find out the module name? |
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| 05:24.58 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: if you grep the output of lsmod for "snd" it should probably be pretty easy to guess from there. it would help if you knew what soundcard yo uhave |
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| 05:31.04 | qmanjr5_ | Er |
| 05:32.02 | qmanjr5_ | http://pastebin.com/cDYZgds8 Not sure which of those I'm using. |
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| 05:33.33 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: yep, snd_hda_intel |
| 05:33.43 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: that driver is *notorious* for picking the wrong output ports |
| 05:34.15 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: in fact i bet if you got music playing with the volume up you just have to plug your speakers into each soundcard jack till you find the one playing sound |
| 05:34.23 | qmanjr5_ | :P |
| 05:34.26 | qmanjr5_ | Lemme try this... |
| 05:34.58 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: what you probably will need to do to solve it is disable auto-detection by passing an explicit model= value to it on load |
| 05:35.09 | qmanjr5_ | haha |
| 05:35.10 | qmanjr5_ | It works |
| 05:36.03 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: unfortunately the only documentation i know of that tells you what available model= options ARE is in the top of the header file in the kernel source for the module |
| 05:37.02 | qmanjr5_ | Hm |
| 05:37.18 | gnarface | its a good soundcard for being a cheap onboard software-muxing soundcard |
| 05:37.36 | qmanjr5_ | OH MY GOD |
| 05:37.58 | qmanjr5_ | o.o I just backspaced on an empty terminal line |
| 05:38.01 | peterrooney | qmanjr5_: hints as to what values to look for in the headers might be found with "modinfo snd-hda-intel | grep parm:" |
| 05:38.02 | qmanjr5_ | The beep is extremely loud hahaha |
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| 05:38.25 | gnarface | its basically the soundcard equivalent of a winmodem but i've seen models with up to 7.1 channels so that's tight it even has optional optical/spdif |
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| 05:38.51 | gnarface | the driver auto-detection is apparently useless |
| 05:38.59 | qmanjr5_ | Weird |
| 05:39.21 | qmanjr5_ | How can I disable the beep from that? |
| 05:39.50 | gnarface | well the beep channel in alsamixer is supposed to be it (used to be it) but i think they changed it or it broke for me at least... |
| 05:40.12 | gnarface | you can disable audio bell entirely by uh... set - something |
| 05:40.16 | peterrooney | qmanjr5_: run alsamixer and reduce PC speaker volume |
| 05:40.33 | gnarface | peterrooney: i don't think that works for everyone |
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| 05:41.12 | qmanjr5_ | I just muted the beep channel in alsa, so I'm good |
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| 05:41.47 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: it worked? |
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| 05:43.03 | gnarface | qmanjr5_: you might have to set bell-style (none) or something like that |
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| 05:43.28 | WaterRatj | When you try to install debian and are in the part where you set your partition in what value are the size set? bytes?kbytes? |
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| 05:47.18 | gnarface | WaterRatj: you can use quite a few different abbreviations but i don't know where the list is. you can use gb or kb or % for example |
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| 05:50.15 | WaterRatj | ah okay thanks |
| 05:50.35 | gnarface | and mb too |
| 05:50.39 | gnarface | not really sure what else |
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| 05:50.42 | gnarface | probably lots |
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| 05:53.58 | WaterRatj | have all i need now thanks |
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| 05:56.13 | blackness | pigeonor_, did you paste the results? |
| 05:56.24 | pigeonor_ | when i ls /var/lib/dpkg/info|grep php-pear nothing happens |
| 05:57.05 | blackness | nothing shows up? |
| 05:57.45 | pigeonor_ | nope |
| 05:57.46 | pigeonor_ | :-( |
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| 05:58.32 | blackness | what package did you attempt to install first? |
| 05:58.50 | blackness | from your paste, you tried installing something else and its required to install php-pear |
| 05:59.03 | pigeonor_ | yeah, i was trying to install owncloud |
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| 05:59.17 | blackness | thats the package we need to purge... |
| 05:59.30 | blackness | try: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info|grep owncloud |
| 05:59.32 | pigeonor_ | being that dreamhost service techs are terrible, i had to use installatron.com |
| 05:59.55 | blackness | what does that output? |
| 06:00.04 | pigeonor_ | owncloud.conffiles |
| 06:00.07 | pigeonor_ | owncloud.list |
| 06:00.11 | pigeonor_ | owncloud.md5sums |
| 06:00.31 | blackness | ahh.. |
| 06:00.39 | blackness | remove those and try apt-get -f install |
| 06:00.42 | blackness | or you can do this. |
| 06:01.03 | blackness | find /var/lib/dpkg/info -name "owncloud*" -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 06:02.20 | pigeonor_ | that fixed the owncloud issue, now i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354866/ |
| 06:03.24 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354867/ |
| 06:03.26 | pigeonor_ | that too |
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| 06:05.24 | blackness | hang on.. |
| 06:05.31 | pigeonor_ | no problem :-) |
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| 06:05.42 | blackness | find /var/lib/dpkg/info -name "php-xml-parse*" -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 06:05.50 | blackness | then reissue apt-get -f install |
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| 06:06.53 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354872/ |
| 06:06.55 | pigeonor_ | :-( |
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| 06:08.29 | blackness | apt-get update |
| 06:08.54 | themill | wait... why are you deleting bits of dpkg's database? that's truly hideous |
| 06:09.22 | blackness | themill, says who? when i get a stuck package that cant be remove/install. thats the only way i can fix it |
| 06:09.34 | themill | umm, no |
| 06:09.44 | blackness | then how else do you clean out a broken package? |
| 06:09.52 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354873/ |
| 06:09.56 | pigeonor_ | still stuck |
| 06:09.58 | blackness | that cant be fixed via: sudo apt-get -f install/remove |
| 06:10.04 | themill | fixing it is normally better. and there are very few packages that are truly broken like that |
| 06:10.20 | blackness | sudo apt-get remove php-xml-parser |
| 06:10.36 | blackness | might need --force |
| 06:10.37 | themill | and you wouldn't be deleting the list of files owned by the package -- at most the postrm and prerm |
| 06:10.58 | blackness | weird themill i just helped 3 others with this method.. |
| 06:11.10 | themill | perhaps you could refrain from doing so in the future... |
| 06:11.17 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354875/ |
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| 06:12.35 | themill | pigeonor_: can we see the output of "apt-cache policy php5 php-xml-parser php-pear; apt-cache policy" please? |
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| 06:13.18 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354879/ |
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| 06:13.32 | themill | pigeonor_: also, can you tell us where this ndn-php5-cgi package came from? that's not a debian package. |
| 06:14.05 | blackness | 4 broken installs..? |
| 06:14.09 | pigeonor_ | not sure :-( |
| 06:14.24 | blackness | i was asking themill |
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| 06:15.06 | blackness | you CAN try: apt-get --fix-broken install and see if that'll fix it. |
| 06:15.25 | blackness | i just got that from a forum with a similar problem |
| 06:16.04 | pigeonor_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1354884/ didnt help |
| 06:16.58 | blackness | if it were me, i'd install them by hand one at a time with dpkg -i..just wget all the deb's but that can take some time..lets see what themill comes up with. |
| 06:17.03 | themill | you need to work out ndn-php5-cgi is and either get rid of it or, at worst, allow dpkg to overwrite the file /etc/pear/pear.conf |
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| 06:17.31 | blackness | if hes running apt-get as root, what would keep him (apt-get) from writing that file? |
| 06:17.34 | pigeonor_ | how do i do the later? |
| 06:17.57 | blackness | pigeonor_, are you running these commands as root? |
| 06:18.07 | pigeonor_ | yes, i have to |
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| 06:18.16 | blackness | ls -la /etc/pear/pear.conf |
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| 06:20.25 | pigeonor_ | https://gist.github.com/bf181628820d99414863 |
| 06:21.24 | blackness | all i can find is updated .deb's for php-pear |
| 06:21.49 | pigeonor_ | maybe try removeing pear? |
| 06:21.56 | pigeonor_ | i only tried to install it for owncloud |
| 06:22.01 | pigeonor_ | i have owncloud running now |
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| 06:22.37 | blackness | you can try.. |
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| 06:22.45 | blackness | i cant find a repo for lenny. |
| 06:23.01 | pigeonor_ | waht is the command to remove it? |
| 06:23.24 | blackness | find /var/lib/dpkg/info -name "php-pear*" -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 06:23.34 | blackness | will find them all and remove |
| 06:23.45 | blackness | i cant even find ndn-php5-cgi on packages.debian.org |
| 06:24.43 | pigeonor_ | i ran that command but when i run apt-get upgrade it says that it is trying to isntall php-pear as a new package |
| 06:24.49 | pigeonor_ | how do i remove it from the list? |
| 06:25.02 | blackness | do: apt-get -f remove |
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| 06:25.10 | blackness | dont use install. pigeonor_ also check http://serverfault.com/questions/284126/error-installing-php-pear-on-debian-lenny |
| 06:25.40 | blackness | what does: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info|grep ndn-php5-cgi say? |
| 06:26.28 | pigeonor_ | https://gist.github.com/78447ef426e79cb4d6b4 |
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| 06:26.45 | blackness | find /var/lib/dpkg/info -name "ndn-php5-cg*" -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 06:26.56 | blackness | that will remove those..then try apt-get -f remove again |
| 06:28.08 | pigeonor_ | that fixed everything |
| 06:28.11 | pigeonor_ | :-) |
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| 06:28.16 | blackness | you're welcome. |
| 06:28.21 | pigeonor_ | thanks blackness soooo much |
| 06:28.22 | blackness | anything else ? |
| 06:28.23 | pigeonor_ | hehe |
| 06:28.26 | pigeonor_ | no sir |
| 06:28.31 | blackness | Have fun.. ;) |
| 06:28.31 | pigeonor_ | wish i could help you |
| 06:28.34 | pigeonor_ | thanks a lot |
| 06:28.40 | pigeonor_ | dreamhost couldnt even fix it |
| 06:28.48 | blackness | heh, its ok, help should be limitless and free and without return. |
| 06:28.59 | pigeonor_ | agreed |
| 06:29.03 | blackness | even the "frowned" apon methods still work. |
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| 06:29.34 | blackness | well, pass this info to dreamhost..maybe they can write a fix using that information you provide. |
| 06:29.47 | pigeonor_ | yeah, for sure |
| 06:30.01 | blackness | welp, ima go idle for a bit..night yall |
| 06:30.06 | pigeonor_ | night |
| 06:30.09 | nsadmin | be very careful with that, one misplaced space will change the meaning and maybe rm stuff you don't want to rm |
| 06:30.59 | themill | ugh... |
| 06:31.14 | blackness | all commands should be held with caution..even a simple cp can cause damage. |
| 06:31.24 | themill | blackness: now that package can't be removed properly. And the important thing of "you really need to upgrade to squeeze" was missed. |
| 06:31.37 | blackness | yes it can..he can attempt a reinstall. |
| 06:31.47 | themill | and he'll have the same error |
| 06:31.57 | blackness | he dont maintain the package.. |
| 06:32.18 | blackness | the legit fix, would be to download all the .debs that isnt installed, and install them one at a time via dpkg -i. |
| 06:32.32 | themill | seriously... don't muck about in dpkg's database. Esp since you don't know what you're doing. |
| 06:32.33 | blackness | which ive done atleast once a week when i was setting up my OpenVZ host. |
| 06:32.33 | nsadmin | it's mostly the commands that operate recursively and writing stuff at each recursion being the problem |
| 06:33.02 | blackness | running apt-get as root, what would keep apt-get from writing /etc/pear/pear.conf? |
| 06:33.34 | themill | blackness: because the same file can't be in two packages at the same time. (this is basic knowledge you should have before you start poking around inside dpkg's internals) |
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| 06:34.14 | nsadmin | it's the same pathname that can't be in two packages |
| 06:34.33 | blackness | so your repair would have been done how? |
| 06:34.50 | blackness | so next time i can do it as were people wouldnt get worried something bad will happen. |
| 06:35.14 | themill | blackness: [06:17] <themill> you need to work out ndn-php5-cgi is and either get rid of it or, at worst, allow dpkg to overwrite the file /etc/pear/pear.conf |
| 06:35.18 | nsadmin | they should be worried having a command like that :) |
| 06:35.28 | blackness | that isn't a answer, just a random factoid.. |
| 06:35.41 | themill | blackness: no, it's what you should have done. |
| 06:35.42 | blackness | its about results :) |
| 06:35.51 | themill | no. |
| 06:35.57 | blackness | it dont explain anything..just stating what he/i know already.. |
| 06:36.05 | themill | it's about not breaking things on people's systems. |
| 06:37.00 | blackness | so, again. tell me how it should have been done (correctly). as i dont know of any other way, and im curious as to how |
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| 06:37.52 | themill | I think we've been around this enough times. |
| 06:38.06 | nsadmin | probably the first thing that should have been tried is to use the tools that know the data structure (like apt, dpkg, etc) |
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| 07:43.04 | ChrisH | pav5088: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679678 It might be the same or similar |
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| 07:52.48 | forzabiz | ciao |
| 07:52.51 | forzabiz | !list |
| 07:52.51 | dpkg | forzabiz: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 08:29.10 | simonlnu | can make read argv[X] other than 0 and 1 and use it to do substitution in a makefile ? |
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| 08:30.01 | simonlnu | (0 is how it was called of course and 1 is the target typically, but i was wondering about any subsequent ones) |
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| 08:35.14 | nsadmin | you mean the args fed to make? |
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| 08:39.42 | engla | simonlnu: make will "make" all targets mentioned on the commandline |
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| 08:40.04 | engla | simonlnu: make CFLAGS=-x is the common way to get variables into the current run |
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| 08:41.03 | epitamizor | how come geeqie doesn't display jpeg files it works in gimp though |
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| 08:41.48 | epitamizor | anyone know a different image viewer |
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| 08:44.18 | dFence | hey guys! I'm trying to familiarize myself with avahi / zeroconf – since the documentation is... well... horrible, I hope you guys can help me out: is it possible to implement routing / forwarding using only zeroconf? (the connection itself has to be made conventionally of course, but apart from that - would it be possible?) |
| 08:45.03 | mrtnt | Is kernel ring buffer(dmesg) cleared each time the machine is reloaded? |
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| 08:45.19 | epitamizor | in linux ANYTHING is possible |
| 08:46.09 | nsadmin | dFence, people do learn from that exact documentation... |
| 08:46.19 | nsadmin | if you find it horrible, read the source |
| 08:47.02 | nsadmin | dFence, btw, that's not a good way to inspire the want to help you |
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| 08:47.32 | n3rV3 | mrtnt, the kernel is a running program, and hence the buffer is indeed cleared at reboot, since the kernel boots(starts) afresh |
| 08:47.41 | epitamizor | man pages can be difficult to understand for the novice |
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| 08:49.00 | dFence | nsadmin: I found plenty on the usual stuff - discovery, announcements etc; what I haven't found is any hint to a DNS-plugin / extension that would allow zeroconf-clients to resolve hostnames outside the .local domain; source is unavailable for now as I am online via my mobile and I only have EDGE |
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| 08:51.38 | nsadmin | so there is a dns extension but it doesn't resolve outside of .local, is that correct? |
| 08:52.13 | nsadmin | or there's not a dns extension and it uses another mechanism to resolve .local? |
| 08:54.06 | niels1 | it has an own resolver library/plugin, afaik |
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| 08:54.28 | niels1 | libnss_mdns |
| 08:54.40 | nsadmin | so it's the latter and this plugin can't connect to (say) a bind? |
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| 08:55.24 | dFence | nsadmin: avahi resolves hostnames for every client that's in the .local domain running avahi-daemon via multicast-DNS; so far, if I understand the protocol correctly, there's no mechanism to resolve regular hostnames outside that zone. I was hoping, there would be a plugin for bind / stand-alone solution that allows one of the clients in the .local zone which is connected to an external DNS-Server through conventional DHCP/DNS infrastructure to forward the lo |
| 08:56.03 | dFence | niels1: right, but like I said, from what I understand, that's only for .local |
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| 08:56.49 | dFence | the avahi walk of fame and google returned no cookie so far :( |
| 08:57.01 | niels1 | of course it's only for local. the intent is to cooperate with other resolution mechanisms (like dns) and not conflict with them. that's why it uses an own domain |
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| 08:58.09 | dFence | niels1: that's why I'm looking for something that's able to bridge that; theoretically, it would just be another service that's being announced by one of the .local members |
| 08:58.30 | inTheRain | errm. I tried to join #debian-mentors, but I for some reason end up in ##debian-mentors and it's hardly anyone there |
| 08:58.34 | inTheRain | weird |
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| 08:59.14 | nsadmin | weird indeed! maybe it's on some other net (like irc.debian.org) |
| 08:59.29 | inTheRain | ah, I guess it could be |
| 08:59.34 | nsadmin | which this net used to be but is no longer |
| 08:59.42 | niels1 | dFence, i think that's possible to do, probably with an own resolver plugin, but there may be other ways that i can't think of from the top of my head |
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| 09:01.04 | dFence | niels1: I get that it's quite unconventional since avahi is intended for LANs only, I was just hoping that someone was already crazy enough to give it a shot ;) I think the hard part would be the routing-stuff |
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| 09:01.44 | inTheRain | anyways, I'm sort of tired of the fact that everything doesn't run super smoothly when I try to install linux. I was thinking that volunteering as a developer or maintainer is probably the best way to do something about that |
| 09:02.30 | niels1 | dFence, yes, it may not be easy, but it still sounds doable |
| 09:02.36 | inTheRain | I'm a little worried that I don't have the skills or time necessary, of course. Especially since the problems I most often encounter are with hardware drivers |
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| 09:03.35 | inTheRain | could anyone point me to a good starting point if I wanna join the community and be of assistance? I've looked through the orphaned packages list, but there's nothing there that I use or would be helped by |
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| 09:03.52 | dFence | niels1: only problem is, I'm kind of at war with the whole routing process... iptables kind of hate me; imho worth a shot though |
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| 09:06.26 | niels1 | dFence, well, you probably shouldn't do routing with iptables. wouldn't normal routing facilities be sufficient? you might need some daemon on the nodes that connects different segments of the net and that manipulate the routing tables, and maybe that daemon could also function as a backend doing the actual name resolution for your resolver plugin |
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| 09:08.34 | dFence | niels1: thinking about it, that would require the client to manipulate the routing tables, since zeroconf doesn't define a default-gw... would be kind of a perversion of the protocol |
| 09:10.10 | niels1 | dFence, you may also want to look into the many freifunk-communities, which usually experiment with different routing protocols and may also have tried zeroconf or something like that over their networks |
| 09:10.26 | dFence | niels1: good idea, thanks! |
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| 09:11.34 | dFence | brb |
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| 09:18.50 | thomas`- | Hey all |
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| 09:20.10 | thomas`- | Is there anyone around that could possibly assist me to install "Nodejs" on my Debian version 2.6.32-5-686? Please let me know |
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| 09:22.10 | SiDz | thomas https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager |
| 09:22.44 | SiDz | http://oodavid.tumblr.com/post/15090798307/how-to-install-node-js-on-linux |
| 09:23.06 | thomas`- | thanks SiDz i didnt see that first link you posted |
| 09:23.16 | thomas`- | I will try the lines of code they suggest |
| 09:23.20 | thomas`- | and let you know |
| 09:23.22 | thomas`- | thanks |
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| 09:40.44 | _geo | is there something that allows you build desktop applications with HTML5 and Javascript in linux? |
| 09:42.33 | mang0 | What grub version does debian squeeze ship with? |
| 09:43.18 | rozie | mang0: you can choose between grub1 and grub2 IIRC |
| 09:43.57 | mang0 | rozie: I've just installed, and didn't notice any such option...The thing is, I'm getting boot errors, so I tried to fix it with an ubuntu livecd |
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| 09:44.07 | thomas`- | _geo, theres nothing decent with intelesence that come in default install |
| 09:44.11 | mang0 | I was following this: http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.nl/2011/06/recover-grub-live-ubuntu-cd-pendrive.html |
| 09:44.21 | dFence | _geo: have a look at tizen (www.tizen.org) - if it's still called that; their entire desktop ecosystem is based on HTML-apps |
| 09:44.33 | mang0 | But when I run "update-grub" after chrooting and mounting everything correctly, I get an error: "Basename: /lib/libc.so.6: `GLIBC_2.14` not found (required by basename)." What is this lib, and where should I put it? |
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| 09:45.10 | joules | hi |
| 09:45.36 | boudiccas | mang0, Debian is NOT ubuntu, so ubuntu software wont [normally] work on debian, you need to use your installation disk and go into the rescue section and install grub there |
| 09:46.02 | mang0 | boudiccas: Okay, I'll give that a go. Thanks |
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| 09:46.22 | joules | hi |
| 09:47.18 | thomas`- | Ive never heard of that Tizen software before |
| 09:48.24 | joules | h |
| 09:48.53 | boudiccas | mang0, you might , in the end, be better off reinstalling if you cant rescue your system |
| 09:48.57 | thomas`- | SiDz, it worked perfectly! thank you |
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| 09:50.28 | mang0 | boudiccas: I've already re-installed 3 times, still no fix. With GRUB, it just gets stuck on POST, in an endless loop. If I use the rescue thing to install LILO, then I can't setup any users or X, and when I start up I have TTY only, and can't login or anything. |
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| 09:51.15 | ectospasm | mang0: you demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of what POST is |
| 09:51.32 | ectospasm | GRUB doesn't even try to execute until *after* POST |
| 09:51.46 | rozie | mang0: grub1 is installed by default, you can change this later |
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| 09:52.24 | mang0 | ectospasm: I know this, I'm saying the POST loops; as soon as GRUB should start, the system reboots, going to the start of POST again. |
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| 09:52.34 | mang0 | rozie: I see |
| 09:53.07 | caraconan | Good morning. If I use chromium I can see google trends results as expected, but if I use iceweasel I just see a blank space without any chart after do my search. Is somebody else experiencing same issue? |
| 09:53.19 | rozie | mang0: if you want to fix system with liveCD, I'd mount /proc and /dev and chroot to system you want to fix |
| 09:53.32 | rozie | caraconan: link? |
| 09:53.58 | mang0 | rozie: that's what I did, with the ubuntu liveCD, and I got that libc error when I tried "grub-update". |
| 09:54.13 | ectospasm | mang0: don't use an Ubuntu LiveCD |
| 09:54.22 | ectospasm | use something like grml |
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| 09:54.47 | ectospasm | mang0: http://grml.org/ |
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| 09:55.11 | caraconan | <rozie> http://www.google.es/trends/explore#q=subversion,git You should first log in to gmail account to get more level of detail |
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| 09:55.18 | bersace_olfeo | Hi, where to get some help about deb packaging ? |
| 09:55.28 | ectospasm | !ask | bersace_olfeo |
| 09:55.49 | mang0 | Thanks ectospasm, downloading now. |
| 09:56.03 | mang0 | ectospasm: Should I then follow the same process using that to recover GRUB? |
| 09:56.07 | bersace_olfeo | How to properly deploy e.g. postfix master.cf from another .deb ? |
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| 09:56.19 | ectospasm | mang0: yes |
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| 09:57.07 | joules | sdf |
| 09:57.08 | bersace_olfeo | i mean another .deb than postfix one. |
| 09:57.16 | mang0 | ectospasm: Great, thanks. |
| 09:57.16 | dFence | thomas: it's the successor of maemo... or meego... or any other of the various attempts to establish an alternative to android; afaik they experimented with Qt and switched to HTML-apps when they merged it to tizen |
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| 09:57.54 | dFence | ectospasm: wouldn't a 50mb minimal installer-image suffice? |
| 09:58.12 | ectospasm | dFence: not in my experience |
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| 09:58.39 | ectospasm | dFence: minimal installer image IIRC lacks many basic utilities |
| 09:59.19 | ectospasm | grml is small enough, but has plenty of features that the installer image just won't have |
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| 10:01.27 | dFence | ectospasm: just boot into rescue mode, either let the installer fix it or chroot to / and do the whole update-grub shabang; if I understood correctly, it's just a messed up grub-installation, right? |
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| 10:01.32 | dFence | ah ok |
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| 10:06.19 | wald0 | what is exactly PAE in the kernel name ? |
| 10:07.09 | ectospasm | wald0: Physical Address Extension |
| 10:07.25 | wald0 | somebody told me that this kernel doesn't works in a pentium M machine |
| 10:07.29 | Armand | Allows 32bit to access moar RAMz. |
| 10:07.44 | ectospasm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 10:08.30 | Armand | wald0: Should work just fine, I have a Pentium M myself (Dothan core) |
| 10:09.03 | ectospasm | wald0: if you can boot Linux on that system, you can check /proc/cpuinfo for "pae" (grep pae /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 10:09.33 | ectospasm | if you get output that means the CPU advertises it can do PAE |
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| 10:09.49 | heyuxiang | hello |
| 10:10.15 | heyuxiang | is it possible to run commands from notification center on ios? |
| 10:10.46 | wald0 | is there a problem by using a PAE kernel in a pentium M computer ? |
| 10:10.54 | ectospasm | wald0: shouldn't be |
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| 10:11.32 | heyuxiang | anyone! |
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| 10:11.47 | ectospasm | heyuxiang: that doesn't look like a Debian-related question |
| 10:12.19 | ectospasm | heyuxiang: if anyone knew the answer (and they're awake), they would have answered by now |
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| 10:12.41 | heyuxiang | ectospasm: okay |
| 10:12.44 | heyuxiang | got it |
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| 10:14.01 | Eagleman | I am trying to install php from an deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny contrib main non-free and i am getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/jDZ50s2W |
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| 10:14.42 | Armand | wald0: Revisions of the Dothan core were released in the first quarter of 2005 with the Sonoma chipsets and supported a 533 MT/s FSB and XD (Intel's name for the NX bit) (and PAE support required for it was enabled, unlike earlier Pentium Ms that had it disabled). |
| 10:15.31 | ectospasm | Eagleman: installing this on squeeze? You're asking for trouble. |
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| 10:16.20 | Eagleman | ectospasm i've had it working before, cant remember it it asked for removing all those packages |
| 10:16.53 | wald0 | Armand: so you mean that some old versions of pentium M can't boot with a PAE kernel ? |
| 10:16.53 | mang0 | I just re-installed GRUB from the rescue mode of the debian install media, no fix. Next try is with grml |
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| 10:17.21 | Armand | wald0: I can't really say for sure... but, that would seem to be the case. |
| 10:17.35 | ectospasm | Eagleman: see if there are any alternatives (Accept this solution? Say 'n') |
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| 10:17.46 | wald0 | ok, thx |
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| 10:17.57 | Eagleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.58 | Eagleman | 1) apache2-mpm-prefork [Not Installed] |
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| 10:18.22 | Eagleman | Thats a weird questions, i dont even have that package and it askes for keeping it at the current version |
| 10:18.27 | Guest79356 | Eagleman: Do *not* *never* install oldstable packages on stable. (or testing/unstable ones) -- You are definitely going to break the system. If you can't update your completely outdated PHP program then run them on a lenny virtual machine or chroot ... Note that you will have *no* security support that way and are running a vulnerable system. |
| 10:18.45 | Guest79356 | Eagleman: Is that version of PHP even supported by upstream (i.e. PHP itself) anymore? |
| 10:18.50 | Armand | wald0: do you know which model it is? |
| 10:19.15 | Eagleman | Guest19362 chroot didnt work, virtual machine isnt an option |
| 10:19.23 | niels1 | Eagleman, the current version is "not installed". so it's not that weird after all |
| 10:19.48 | wald0 | Armand: no, sorry, i should ask him... he just said pentium m |
| 10:19.53 | Armand | -_- |
| 10:20.02 | Guest79356 | Eagleman: I would strongly recommend to updated your PHP code so that it runs on recent (well, whatever was new when squeeze was released) PHP versions and just use the PHP in squeeze. Ask ##php on how to achieve that. |
| 10:20.08 | Guest79356 | *update |
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| 10:20.13 | Eagleman | Guest19362 not an option |
| 10:20.29 | Armand | wald0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_M_microprocessors |
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| 10:21.01 | Armand | \o/ |
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| 10:21.08 | Armand | wald0: Only the lower set "Dothan" has PAE listed as a feature. |
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| 10:21.34 | wald0 | Armand: those machines starts by 1 Ghz aprox. so i suppose that older computers (cpu) than this cannot also boot with pae kernels ? |
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| 10:22.24 | RA3OR | omg |
| 10:22.26 | babilen | Eagleman: Why is that not an option? It is the *only* option in my opinion. |
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| 10:22.35 | Armand | Even then there are a few exceptions, wald0 |
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| 10:22.36 | RA3OR | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 10:22.40 | babilen | RA3OR: What? |
| 10:23.03 | RA3OR | flood parts/joins |
| 10:23.19 | Armand | What's to help? |
| 10:23.24 | babilen | RA3OR: What exactly do you need help with? |
| 10:23.32 | Armand | Tis IRC... ride the wave, man. :P |
| 10:23.32 | themill | RA3OR: perhaps we could avoid a flood of commentary about them too |
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| 10:23.35 | Eagleman | babilen i dont have the knowledge to update the php code, we want the latest debian version, mediawiki is preventing me from going higher then php 5.3 ( only 5.2.* is supported ) |
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| 10:24.11 | Eagleman | So i have to get php 5.2.* running on my machine, i had it running yesterday when i used the same method |
| 10:24.13 | babilen | Eagleman: Mediawiki is in Debian -- What is the problem? |
| 10:24.17 | babilen | ,v mediawiki |
| 10:24.18 | judd | Package: mediawiki on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.12.0-2lenny9; lenny-security: 1:1.12.0-2lenny9; lenny-backports: 1:1.15.5-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1:1.15.5-2squeeze2; squeeze: 1:1.15.5-2squeeze4; sid: 1:1.19.2-2; wheezy: 1:1.19.2-2 |
| 10:24.31 | boudiccas | wald0, i'm running wheezy on a vintage-2003 machine and using a PAE kernel with no problems |
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| 10:24.40 | Eagleman | babilen the custom written php plugins wont work on php 5.3* |
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| 10:24.56 | themill | I think we've been around this "fix your crap" circle enough times. |
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| 10:25.46 | babilen | Eagleman: Then get someone to fix your custom plugins -- It is *not* an option to run vulnerable, unmaintainable old code in production. |
| 10:25.53 | Armand | ^ |
| 10:26.15 | Eagleman | Security is not an issue, since we are still running debian 4 on some of our machines |
| 10:26.25 | Armand | >_< |
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| 10:27.32 | themill | Eagleman: no, itym "security is a joke where you are" |
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| 10:27.55 | Eagleman | Ofcourse upgrading the plugins would be the best solution but no one has the time, and i dont have the knowledge |
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| 10:28.15 | babilen | Eagleman: Well, I refuse to support your setup and you *will* break your system by installing old PHP crap from oldstable. If you are adamant that you don't plan to update your software (what will you do in one year? what about five? ten?) *at all* then run some supported mega-old distro (red hat?) in a virtual machine (or lenny, but we won't support that either) |
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| 10:29.31 | Eagleman | I am going to back off from this project then, since there is no solution in both directions |
| 10:29.55 | Armand | I would rather crudely suggest, Eagleman.. you seek to employ someone who will update it. |
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| 10:30.32 | Eagleman | Armand our softare department could to that, but there is no time for doing it |
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| 10:30.53 | themill | take down that server or the wiki then, since it's clearly not important |
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| 10:31.19 | Armand | Time? How can there not be "time" ? I think you have bigger issues in your company that a simple software concern. |
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| 10:31.34 | _geo | guess i was looking for this https://live.gnome.org/Gjs |
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| 10:31.43 | _geo | looks nice |
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| 10:32.54 | Eagleman | themill it works on the old debian machine, but 3 weeks aigo it stopped working and the backup also, so i had the task to upgrade that machine to the latest debian |
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| 10:33.43 | themill | upgrades don't get done when things break, they get done as part of routine maintenance. |
| 10:34.00 | Armand | checks updates every day. |
| 10:35.51 | mang0 | ectospasm: grml up and running. So you say I can just follow that same guide to fix GRUB but using GRML? |
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| 10:41.54 | babilen | Eagleman: And PHP stopped supporting 5.2.* on 06-Jan-2011 -- You therefore had more than enough time to realise that you have a problem and to fix it. Running these old, unmaintained version is just not an option as they are absolutely insecure. |
| 10:42.39 | Eagleman | babilen i am only working here for 3 months now, so i am not the one to blame |
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| 10:46.36 | babilen | Eagleman: I am not blaming you, but some *real* data on support windows might help when you discuss this problem with your co-workers |
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| 10:57.15 | ChrisH | Why can I ping 127.1.2.3 on linux? |
| 10:57.32 | Eagleman | "*real* data on support windows"? |
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| 10:58.08 | SiDz | you can ping 127.*.*.* |
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| 10:58.37 | ChrisH | SiDz: I see that I can on Debian. But I do not understand why. |
| 10:58.53 | SiDz | cause loopback is 255.0.0.0 |
| 10:59.22 | SiDz | mean 127.0.0.0/8 |
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| 10:59.51 | ChrisH | SiDz: Given your argument, my eth0 inet addr:192.168.10.7 Bcast:192.168.10.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 must answer to 192.168.10.0/24 |
| 11:00.07 | SiDz | and its does |
| 11:00.12 | SiDz | for alive address |
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| 11:00.34 | frikinz | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 11:01.02 | ChrisH | SiDz: It does answer for all IPs I have an Interface (real or virtual) plumbed. |
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| 11:02.32 | ChrisH | I tested on FreeBSD, Solaris and Debian Linux. FreeBSD and Solaris act as expected, only Linux answers from non-existing interface IPs. |
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| 11:03.09 | pksadiq | msg judd version grep |
| 11:03.56 | babilen | Eagleman: http://php.net/eol.php |
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| 11:04.39 | babilen | Eagleman: and also http://uk1.php.net/migration53 |
| 11:04.48 | ChrisH | ping -b 127.0.0.0 nor ping -b 127.255.255.255 do see any reply at all |
| 11:05.30 | SiDz | cause debian dont reply to broadcast ping |
| 11:05.34 | SiDz | by default |
| 11:05.58 | babilen | Eagleman: But you really want to discuss this in ##php not here in #debian. All I can tell you is that the platform you target (Debian lenny) hasn't been supported for a couple of months and that you had at least 1½ years to upgrade. |
| 11:06.25 | SiDz | net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts |
| 11:06.46 | Eagleman | I have to try to convince some people, but they probally say, if it works it works |
| 11:07.10 | babilen | well, it doesn't now, does it? |
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| 11:07.31 | Eagleman | It does under the debian 4 machine |
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| 11:08.13 | babilen | Eagleman: I sincerely hope that those machines are not accessible from the internet. (hacker dorado!) |
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| 11:08.22 | Eagleman | they are not babilen |
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| 11:08.32 | Eagleman | Its just a wiki for internal use |
| 11:08.42 | themill | you can't rely on perimeter security like that |
| 11:08.50 | Eagleman | They do |
| 11:08.52 | milligan | I'm getting a "CIFS VFS: dns_resolve_server_name_to_ip: unable to resolve:" error .. but I have added the host that isn't resolving to /etc/hosts. I can also ping the host manually. What have I missed ? |
| 11:09.10 | SiDz | install wins |
| 11:09.44 | SiDz | winbind* |
| 11:10.05 | milligan | will that automagically fix it ? |
| 11:10.07 | ChrisH | SiDz: http://paste.debian.net/208830/ I can accpect the behaviuor, but I do not understand it. HPUX acts as Linux. |
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| 11:11.27 | SiDz | you can use 127.?.?.? to rejoin lo |
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| 11:12.59 | AbuDhabi | Hi. I'm trying to upgrade from stable to testing. I am stymied by python-pyatspi2 not being immediate-configureable. Anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 11:14.10 | themill | !immediate-configuration |
| 11:14.10 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
| 11:14.38 | themill | AbuDhabi: you may need to do that to both gnome-orca python-pyatspi2 |
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| 11:14.52 | ChrisH | SiDz: ip route get 127/8 |
| 11:14.55 | engla | AbuDhabi: that package is fixed in unstable |
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| 11:15.09 | ChrisH | SiDz: ip route get 127/8 looks strange and I will stop here, loosing more hair :) |
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| 11:15.28 | AbuDhabi | But do I really want to upgrade to unstable, what with horrible bugs, broken logins and booting taking forever? |
| 11:15.44 | engla | I'm not suggesting that |
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| 11:17.03 | AbuDhabi | themill: Problem being that python-pyatspi2 isn't installed in stable. Its predecessor, python-pyatspi is, so removing it with dpkg will just fail. |
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| 11:17.41 | AbuDhabi | engla: What are you suggesting? |
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| 11:17.51 | SiDz | install python-pyatspi2 from backport? |
| 11:17.59 | elcot | google chrome facebook never load . help me |
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| 11:18.33 | yeehi | hello! Does VNC work out of the box with the latest stable gnome debian? |
| 11:18.38 | engla | the fixed packages should migrate to wheezy unless something's wrong so you might research that in the bug system |
| 11:18.42 | engla | else use the fixed packages |
| 11:18.56 | themill | AbuDhabi: you could grab just the python-pyatspi* packages from sid, install them with dpkg -i and then continue |
| 11:19.19 | themill | but personally, I'd just remove things from your current install and let apt sort it out |
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| 11:20.10 | mang0 | ectospasm: You'll be pleased to know I got Debian working, and it wasn't a GRUB error - my HDDs were plugged in the wrong way, with the Windows drive in HDD0, rather than the Debian one! This meant that Windows was messing stuff up (as normal!) it's all fixed now :) |
| 11:20.12 | AbuDhabi | Okay, so, the proposed solution is to remove python-pyatspi also removing gnome-orca and gnome-accessibility, leaving gnome-desktop-environment with unresolved dependancies, then try to use aptitude to fix all that? |
| 11:20.37 | themill | AbuDhabi: apt-get not aptitude |
| 11:21.02 | blackshirt | themill, is apt-get better than aptitude ? |
| 11:21.24 | themill | for squeeze→wheezy, yes |
| 11:21.41 | blackshirt | themill, for later ? |
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| 11:22.35 | themill | for day to day things, you can pick either. I prefer aptitude because its dependency handling is normally better and it can do lots more |
| 11:23.48 | blackshirt | themill, aptitude lack of multiarch support and bit more slow compared to apt-get, but aptitude has better dependencies resolver..was that right ? |
| 11:24.07 | themill | blackshirt: aptitude does not lack multiarch support |
| 11:24.18 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. dpkg has problems. apt-get also. aptitude manages to bring me this: http://pastie.org/5371084 |
| 11:24.25 | AbuDhabi | Does this look vaguely safe to do? |
| 11:25.01 | themill | AbuDhabi: what command produced that output? |
| 11:25.04 | blackshirt | themill, so aptitude has been have multiarch support...greats to hear |
| 11:25.17 | AbuDhabi | $ sudo aptitude remove -f python-pyatspi |
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| 11:26.01 | themill | AbuDhabi: that wasn't what dpkg said to do... |
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| 11:27.23 | AbuDhabi | themill: http://pastie.org/5371099 |
| 11:27.36 | AbuDhabi | I'm trying other things because what dpkg said fails. |
| 11:27.38 | mrhanky | hey there, i accidentally removed some files from a package unter /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 11:27.44 | babilen | !tell AbuDhabi about sudo path |
| 11:27.49 | blackshirt | themill, was apt was build with asynchronous io in mind ? |
| 11:27.53 | mrhanky | now i cant install it via apt, i get this message: dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'postgresql-client-9.1' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed |
| 11:27.59 | themill | AbuDhabi: that would be why dpkg said to use --force-depends: «dpkg -r --force-depends gnome-orca python-pyatspi2 python-pyatspi» |
| 11:28.08 | blackshirt | mrhanky, you make a bad thing |
| 11:28.13 | mrhanky | yes :( |
| 11:28.13 | themill | mrhanky: reinstall that package |
| 11:28.23 | mrhanky | that wont help themill |
| 11:28.30 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Please fix your sudo configuration (adjust PATH) or work as root. |
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| 11:28.47 | themill | mrhanky: how so? |
| 11:28.57 | blackshirt | themill, mrhanky remove some important files for dpkg to operate correctly |
| 11:29.04 | mrhanky | :/ |
| 11:29.09 | themill | blackshirt: I'm able to read |
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| 11:29.12 | mrhanky | is there a way i can recreate them? |
| 11:29.39 | themill | mrhanky: I'd like to see the output of "aptitude reinstall postgresql-client-9.1" |
| 11:29.58 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Re-run the dpkg -r command once you've done that and show us the output please |
| 11:30.01 | mrhanky | should ppl avoid mixing apt and aptitude? |
| 11:30.07 | blackshirt | is there a way to rebuild dpkg databases, info, status and a lot of important files |
| 11:30.13 | babilen | mrhanky: No, mixing them is perfectly fine. |
| 11:30.17 | mrhanky | okay |
| 11:30.19 | mrhanky | sec |
| 11:30.36 | themill | blackshirt: some of them. There are backups of others. |
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| 11:31.00 | mrhanky | still get the message babilen |
| 11:31.09 | mang0 | Hey. I've got a fresh install of squeeze, but it's not detecting my second monitor....I've checked in the "displays" setup thing, it's not there. How can I get it to register? |
| 11:31.12 | blackshirt | themill, some backups ... And not at all ... |
| 11:31.17 | mrhanky | http://pastebin.com/Jj8RWSMb |
| 11:31.19 | babilen | !tell mrhanky -about status-recovery |
| 11:31.25 | AbuDhabi | Alrighty. http://pastie.org/5371114 |
| 11:31.48 | themill | mrhanky: looks fine to me. Do that for the other packages it's complaining about |
| 11:32.13 | themill | AbuDhabi: great. now "apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 11:32.29 | babilen | mrhanky: Show me please. Could you also paste your /etc/sudoers (make sure not to paste confidential information) and try running it as root. |
| 11:32.48 | babilen | mrhanky: disregard tat |
| 11:33.16 | AbuDhabi | themill: http://pastie.org/5371124 |
| 11:34.23 | mrhanky | babilen: ok, doing the aptitude command for the other packages fixed it i guess :) |
| 11:34.30 | babilen | mrhanky: great |
| 11:34.42 | mrhanky | thanks :) |
| 11:34.48 | blackshirt | good luck |
| 11:36.08 | mrhanky | now, when i installed postgresql some times ago it create a dir with sample-configs in /etc/postgresql/9.1/. i dont have that dir now, can i just copy the stuff form /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/ (and rename .sample-files) ? |
| 11:37.00 | babilen | mrhanky: We typically ship example configuration in /usr/share/doc/$PKG/examples/ for $PKG -- Could you check that for your postgresql packages? |
| 11:37.10 | mrhanky | sec |
| 11:37.18 | AbuDhabi | themill: Any ideas? |
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| 11:38.18 | themill | AbuDhabi: I've been searching through my logs to try to see what we've done for this before. I can't find anything though. Does "aptitude -f install" work any better? |
| 11:38.45 | mrhanky | babilen: there's no example dir for any postgresql-package in /usr/share/doc |
| 11:39.05 | babilen | mrhanky: http://paste.debian.net/208833/ though -- not sure what you get on squeeze. Which sample configuration are you after? psql *does* install configuration files, but those shouldn't be considered to be "samples" but are actually used by the server by default. |
| 11:39.48 | mrhanky | some time ago it installed these config-files unter /etc/postgresql/9.1/, but not now :( |
| 11:40.12 | babilen | mrhanky: What did you do in the meanwhile? Did you remove those configuration files? |
| 11:40.23 | AbuDhabi | themill: Nope. It grinds for a minute, but fails to find a solution. |
| 11:40.39 | mrhanky | i cant remember, it purged postgresql |
| 11:40.43 | babilen | !tell mrhanky about confmiss |
| 11:40.46 | babilen | !tell mrhanky about confnew |
| 11:40.52 | babilen | mrhanky: "it" ? |
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| 11:41.10 | babilen | mrhanky: If it does that it gets the hose! |
| 11:41.41 | themill | AbuDhabi: hmm... how about "aptitude full-upgrade"? It might want to remove lots of things but you can record them and install them later |
| 11:42.51 | mrhanky | babilen: i ran "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall postgresql" but still nothing in /etc/ |
| 11:43.03 | mrhanky | and even not after running the cmd for postgresql-9.1 |
| 11:43.16 | AbuDhabi | themill: That doesn't work either. Should I reinstall orca nad pyatspi and just wait for the fix to migrate? How long does that take? |
| 11:43.40 | themill | AbuDhabi: what did aptitude actually do? |
| 11:43.54 | AbuDhabi | Grind away trying to find solutions. |
| 11:44.44 | themill | sure, but what solution does it come up with |
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| 11:44.59 | AbuDhabi | It doesn't. |
| 11:45.05 | themill | well what does it do? |
| 11:45.24 | AbuDhabi | "Couldn't find a solution in the allotted time. Try harder?" |
| 11:45.25 | AbuDhabi | Several times. |
| 11:45.30 | babilen | mrhanky: One moment please - I don't have it installed right now and have to double check. |
| 11:45.43 | mrhanky | babilen: never mind |
| 11:45.44 | niels2 | ChrisH, "ip route del 127.0.0.0/8 dev lo src 127.0.0.1 table 255" will stop lo answering for anything but its assigned address and broadcasts (if enabled), if that's what you want |
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| 11:46.08 | babilen | mrhanky: ok, good luck then |
| 11:46.20 | mrhanky | babilen: purged all postgresql-packages and installed them with aptitude |
| 11:46.23 | mrhanky | thanks for your help |
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| 11:46.52 | pav5088 | Has anyone else attempted to get Samba4 working on Debian (Wheeze, Sid, Experimental) recently? I seem to be having issues, and I'm wondering if it's the packages. |
| 11:47.29 | pav5088 | Seem to be getting some intimidating errors right out of the gate. |
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| 11:49.17 | themill | AbuDhabi: I'd try ripping out gnome-accessibility as well at this stage. |
| 11:49.41 | ChrisH | niels2: Thanks.. my Q was more on WHY does it happen :) |
| 11:49.43 | Decrypter | hi, i've swithced my mobo+cpu from intel to amd64, how can i upgrade my kernel and packages? |
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| 11:50.22 | AbuDhabi | themill: Well, unfortunately, I don't have the rest of the day free to dabble in this. I hear that packages migrate from unstable to testing within 2-10 days, yes? |
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| 11:51.02 | niels2 | ChrisH, well, the entry in that routing table indirectly answers why it does it ;) table 255 is the local table that's used for routing of broadcasts and for routing of packets that are to be reflected back into the network stack immediately without going out of the interface - "local" routes |
| 11:51.03 | themill | AbuDhabi: I don't know how usable your machine is in the current state. I don't know how long it will be before the release team migrates these packages. |
| 11:51.45 | AbuDhabi | I did a safe upgrade so far. The OS seems usable. |
| 11:52.33 | mang0 | Fresh squeeze install isn't detecting my ethernet...and the command "ifconfig" isn't recognised. Why might this be? |
| 11:53.22 | AbuDhabi | mang0: As root? |
| 11:53.32 | mang0 | Ah, didn't try that |
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| 11:54.27 | mang0 | Got it. However, I now have only lo in infconfig...no eth0, or wlan0 |
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| 11:56.31 | mang0 | I'll try adding eth0 jmanually to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:58.24 | niels2 | ChrisH, unless you mean "why would someone want to do such a thing". the answer for that is probably so you can use different 127/8 addresses for testing (and have all services answering them local) and maybe for some obscure programs where you might need to have addresses that are different in numbers but are still going out of and/or into the same interface |
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| 11:59.34 | adaminsull | Hi |
| 11:59.40 | adaminsull | How do I get mysql? |
| 11:59.45 | somiaj | mang0: /sbin/ifconfig -a (you can run that as a normal user if you just want to see what interfaces are loaded) |
| 12:00.10 | somiaj | adaminsull: apt-cache search mysql (and install the resulting package), though aptitude install mysql should work (but search for the exact package name) |
| 12:00.20 | mang0 | somiaj: thanks |
| 12:00.41 | ChrisH | niels2: therefore If only single IPs are needed, alias Interface would work ifconfig lo0:1 which will show an interface and a dedicated route. I see a lot of potential options to use such a 'local' routing option. |
| 12:01.59 | mang0 | Yay, fixed. |
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| 12:02.43 | adaminsull | somiaj: I don't see it |
| 12:04.00 | niels2 | ChrisH, sure, you do have a point there. but for a quick and dirty testing session, it might be easier to have the reflection for all 127/8 addresses already in place without a need for alias interfaces |
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| 12:04.38 | somiaj | ,v mysql-server |
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| 12:04.43 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.24+dfsg-9; sid: 5.5.28+dfsg-1 |
| 12:04.55 | somiaj | oh he left |
| 12:05.03 | ChrisH | niels2: most intersting point to me was, how Solaris, HPUX, FreeBSD, Linux handle this... |
| 12:06.18 | niels2 | ChrisH, i'd like to have a look at your findings if you have recorded them somewhere ;) |
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| 12:08.03 | ChrisH | niels2: the HPUX ones where only remote, but the same as Linux. |
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| 12:12.56 | ChrisH | niels2: http://paste.debian.net/208843/ |
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| 12:15.47 | niels2 | ChrisH, thank you :) |
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| 12:17.14 | ChrisH | niels2: VMWare and FreeBSD look the same |
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| 12:17.45 | tomatopotato | is apt= dpkg? |
| 12:18.13 | ChrisH | tomatopotato: no. apt-* and aptitude and others are frontends to dpkg |
| 12:18.13 | tomatopotato | btw. how can i check with apt for example what fglrx related stuff is installed on my comuter with apt? |
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| 12:18.35 | simonlnu | engla: ah yes, of course. thanks :) |
| 12:18.37 | ChrisH | tomatopotato: aptitude search fglex |
| 12:18.49 | tomatopotato | thnx |
| 12:19.20 | ChrisH | tomatopotato: please correct the fglrx on your own :) |
| 12:19.39 | tomatopotato | ill try what i can |
| 12:19.41 | tomatopotato | thnx |
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| 12:20.27 | niels2 | ChrisH, interesting that they don't try to send it out the default route. i guess they have none or one that doesn't encompass 127.*.*.*? |
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| 12:23.10 | ChrisH | niels2: I will check it on Solairs by snooping |
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| 12:23.43 | niels2 | ChrisH, well, solaris does have the default route and tries to send it out there, as your paste suggests. i meant BSD and VMware |
| 12:25.54 | ChrisH | niels2: FreeBSD has a default route. VMWare: dunno how to find out. |
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| 12:27.47 | abrotman | maybe ask #vmware? |
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| 12:38.21 | AbuDhabi | What would break if I were to take a netinst of testing, and attempt to install that over an existing stable installation? |
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| 12:39.11 | abrotman | without formatting? |
| 12:39.33 | AbuDhabi | Yeah. |
| 12:40.23 | Brigo | how can i say apt to include sib packages in wheezy install? any link,please? |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: why not dist-upgrade? |
| 12:40.39 | abrotman | Brigo: sib? |
| 12:40.46 | Brigo | sid, sorry :-) |
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| 12:41.33 | abrotman | Brigo:a) you probably don't want to b) they're nearly identical at this point |
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| 12:42.01 | babilen | !tell Brigo -about tum |
| 12:42.13 | Brigo | yes, but lxc package are not the same. I need the sid one ... |
| 12:42.18 | AbuDhabi | abrotman: Because that fails for me. (python-pyatspi2 appears to be the problem, and the general one is breaking on immediate-configure.) |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: fiing that is probably a better idea |
| 12:43.12 | abrotman | judd: versions lxc |
| 12:43.13 | judd | Package: lxc on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u1; sid: 0.8.0-1 |
| 12:43.24 | AbuDhabi | fiing? |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | Brigo: nearly identical |
| 12:43.33 | babilen | filing |
| 12:43.34 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: fixing |
| 12:43.40 | babilen | ah! :) |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | or both :) |
| 12:43.56 | abrotman | filing with a fix! |
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| 12:44.03 | babilen | yeah, that would be best |
| 12:44.05 | AbuDhabi | I'm not sure about that. I've already spent 6+ hours trying to fix it, with no progress. |
| 12:44.28 | Brigo | abrotman: look at the changelog and you will see :-) |
| 12:44.34 | AbuDhabi | Even a format + home restore + configuring and installing stuff that I need might have been faster. |
| 12:44.40 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: have you asked here yet? |
| 12:44.41 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Sorry, am a bit out of the loop. So the manual removal with dpkg didn't allow you to proceed with the upgrade? |
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| 12:44.48 | Brigo | abrotman: thanks for the information :-) |
| 12:44.54 | AbuDhabi | abrotman: Yes. |
| 12:45.02 | AbuDhabi | babilen: Nope. |
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| 12:45.12 | abrotman | Brigo: train-fi .. anyway, /msg dpkg inout |
| 12:45.17 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Do you have more details than "Nope" ? |
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| 12:46.15 | abrotman | Brigo: it may make it into wheezy in a day or two if you can wait |
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| 12:46.39 | AbuDhabi | babilen: Removal itself works, but then trying to -f that doesn't. http://pastie.org/5371114 http://pastie.org/5371124 |
| 12:46.44 | AbuDhabi | Got any new ideas? |
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| 12:47.16 | abrotman | super cow powers! |
| 12:47.30 | babilen | AbuDhabi: What does an "apt-get dist-upgrade" give you? |
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| 12:48.31 | AbuDhabi | I forget precisely. (I have since reinstalled the removed stuff, just to be safe.) |
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| 12:48.43 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: so do it again and show us? |
| 12:49.02 | redwarriors25 | i have a problem using debian as a proxy server cant send & receive emails of thunderbird |
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| 12:50.20 | AbuDhabi | Okay. I'm going through this ONE MORE TIME, then I'm going to fsck this and decide whether to leave it or format/install. |
| 12:50.30 | abrotman | AbuDhabi: as for your original question, can't imagine it would go well |
| 12:52.20 | AbuDhabi | babilen, abrotman: http://pastie.org/5371422 |
| 12:54.02 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Ok, move/remove (totally unsupported by us) /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list.save somewhere else. Then run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and show us the output. |
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| 12:54.17 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:54.33 | AbuDhabi | (Does the google thing even matter?) |
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| 12:54.51 | abrotman | no, errors are meaningless .... |
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| 12:55.16 | abrotman | warning, e |
| 12:55.22 | abrotman | oh, just a warning |
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| 12:55.59 | babilen | AbuDhabi: It throws an error, might be the root of all evil (I furthermore assume that *no* third-party packages are installed from now on) and I just don't know how it influences the upgrade behaviour. (please remove other third-party packages as well if you haven't done so already) |
| 12:56.37 | babilen | Well, it is ignored ... so it most likely doesn't influence the current situation. |
| 12:57.21 | AbuDhabi | I've never tracked how many third-party packages I even have. I'm pretty sure removing them will terribly break the usability of my system, however, given that I do know that I have third-party wifi drivers, among others. |
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| 12:58.02 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Hmm, ok. May I see the output of "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~o" please? |
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| 13:00.24 | AbuDhabi | babilen: One moment. I need to do something first. |
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| 13:02.15 | AbuDhabi | babilen: http://pastie.org/5371463 |
| 13:04.07 | babilen | AbuDhabi: What about "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 13:05.19 | babilen | AbuDhabi: You might also want to consider to remove/purge *all* those packages that come up in "aptitude search ~o" |
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| 13:05.36 | AbuDhabi | babilen: http://pastie.org/5371478 |
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| 13:08.10 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Yay! Would you mind purging all third-party/obsolete packages by running "aptitude purge ~o" ? |
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| 13:08.48 | AbuDhabi | What exactly will that do? Remove all my shiny things that I use? |
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| 13:10.37 | babilen | AbuDhabi: exactly :) -- Otherwise: Continue with "dpkg -r PKG ; [apt-get -f install | apt-get dist-upgrade]" for all packages that can't be immediately configured. I have *no* idea how all those third-party packages interfere with your upgrade path and it certainly hasn't been tested. |
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| 13:11.40 | AbuDhabi | babilen: Yeah, see, this is why I think format/install would be simpler and easier. |
| 13:11.55 | babilen | AbuDhabi: It might very well be |
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| 13:13.58 | AbuDhabi | babilen: :/ Pretty much the same thing happened when I was upgrading from lenny to squeeze. dist-upgrade broke my system (I count my blessings that this time, dist-upgrade merely fails), and I had to reinstall from scratch. |
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| 13:15.07 | DelphiWorld | hi folks |
| 13:15.19 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Well, you seem to be installing packages from all over the place. What was the problem the last time around? I take it that you read and followed the release notes for squeeze and (in particular) made sure that you upgrade udev/kernel before you upgraded the rest of the system? |
| 13:15.58 | DelphiWorld | i'm failing to mount a cd. debian wheezy. mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr1 /media/cdrom result in: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr1, iso_blknum=16, block=16. |
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| 13:16.31 | cloudman | hi, whats the EOL on Squeeze? |
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| 13:16.44 | babilen | "bread failed" ← haven't seen that one before. Lets see what the error is or did you investigate that already DelpiWorld? |
| 13:16.44 | cloudman | approx |
| 13:17.00 | DelphiWorld | babilen: nop, just saw it |
| 13:17.06 | boudiccas | cloudman, november 2012 :_ just joking |
| 13:17.16 | babilen | cloudman: One year after the release of wheezy -- See "/msg dpkg wwwr" for information about that along with "/msg dpkg wheezy pool 1" for our guesses. |
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| 13:17.38 | DelphiWorld | babilen: isualy i was doing: mount /dev/sr1 /mnt/cd and that worked befaure. |
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| 13:17.49 | DelphiWorld | babilen, but now it's saying: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 13:17.50 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Same medium? |
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| 13:18.09 | AbuDhabi | babilen: I'm installing packages from all over the place because I have use for those packages. I can't remember what exactly I did when upgrading last time, because it was like a year or two ago, but I distinctly remember following the official guide. |
| 13:18.15 | DelphiWorld | babilen: nop diferent cd. going to inject it and put another. was 2 diferent mediums today with same failur |
| 13:18.18 | babilen | DelphiWorld: No, you almost certainly did "mount /mnt/cd" or something to that effect. May I see your /etc/fstab |
| 13:18.43 | DelphiWorld | babilen: /etc/fstab: http://paste.debian.net/208853/ |
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| 13:18.54 | DelphiWorld | babilen: sory if you get a green link, it's my situation:( |
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| 13:20.09 | DelphiWorld | babilen: just a reminder. if you msg me in this channel please cc my nickname:-) |
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| 13:20.30 | babilen | AbuDhabi: Ok. I am just saying that it is hard to debug your problem precisely if you have a large number of (unsupported/untested) third-party packages installed. It is hard enough to find and fix bugs if you use a pure Debian system, but those third-party packages might just break the system in unpredictable ways. |
| 13:20.54 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Don't worry - I am aware that this is necessary and haven't said anything to you so far. :) |
| 13:21.02 | DelphiWorld | hehe |
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| 13:21.12 | AbuDhabi | babilen: I see. Well, thanks anyway for the help. |
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| 13:22.37 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You should be able to mount with "mount /dev/sdc" or "mount /media/cdrom0" -- mount will then take a look at /etc/fstab and use the options specified in there. Do you get the same error if you try that? Have you been able to mount the same cd before? |
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| 13:23.30 | babilen | DelphiWorld: And the link worked perfectly. No worries about that. |
| 13:23.37 | DelphiWorld | no, babilen i never used the fstab befaure, i use only the mount command. medium is not always present. and this cd is another, got 10cd's or much today:) |
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| 13:23.49 | DelphiWorld | :D |
| 13:23.56 | einyx | hi |
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| 13:24.07 | DelphiWorld | babilen: cause i get ofanded a lot be lot of people saying your links is crapy. |
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| 13:24.15 | markvandenborre | I want to auto start an interactive bash script on booting my debian machine |
| 13:24.17 | DelphiWorld | babilen: let me change to other cd's |
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| 13:24.24 | markvandenborre | (it's console based) |
| 13:24.28 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ok, could you try the command I mentioned (mount /dev/sdc) and could you also try to mount a CD that you mounted before? What are those new CDs? (if you don't mind me asking) |
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| 13:24.40 | markvandenborre | both the system and the script |
| 13:24.43 | nkuttler | markvandenborre: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 13:24.59 | babilen | !tell markvandenborre about init script |
| 13:24.59 | DelphiWorld | lol babilen i dont have /dev/sdc :! |
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| 13:25.04 | abrotman | interactive? |
| 13:25.04 | babilen | !tell markvandenborre about rc.local |
| 13:25.13 | redwarriors25 | i have a problem using debian as a proxy server cant send & receive emails of thunderbird |
| 13:25.26 | markvandenborre | babilen: nkuttler all nice and fine, but the problem is the interactive part |
| 13:25.27 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Argh, my bad. I meant /dev/scd0 ! |
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| 13:25.43 | markvandenborre | so it needs to run in a real virtual terminal |
| 13:25.49 | markvandenborre | and that terminal has to be made active |
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| 13:25.57 | babilen | markvandenborre: Oh, what? You want to run an *interactive* script during the boot sequence? |
| 13:26.00 | nkuttler | markvandenborre: what does the script do? |
| 13:26.06 | DelphiWorld | lol babilen ;) |
| 13:26.14 | DelphiWorld | babilen: that's the ferly fun time:) |
| 13:26.20 | boudiccas | redwarriors25, please dont repeat yourself, we heard you the first timke! thunderbird is unsupported here, you might want to go to #mpzilla |
| 13:26.28 | markvandenborre | babilen: at the end of the boot procedure, yes |
| 13:26.29 | boudiccas | time |
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| 13:26.40 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Sorry, my muscle memory played a trick on me there. It should naturally match the entry in your /etc/fstab |
| 13:26.42 | DelphiWorld | ok babilen here we *go*. mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist. =) |
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| 13:27.03 | DelphiWorld | babilen: btw that's a usb cd reader... |
| 13:27.09 | markvandenborre | nkuttler: it expects some keyboard input |
| 13:27.12 | DelphiWorld | and the device is /dev/cdrom4 i belieuv |
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| 13:27.35 | babilen | redwarriors25: Debian comes with icedove not thunderbird -- You might want to install icedove (newer versions are available from backports and http://mozilla.debian.net ) |
| 13:27.50 | markvandenborre | nkuttler: a big while loop mostly that triggers a camera every time a specific HID device key is pressed |
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| 13:28.15 | redwarriors25 | ok |
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| 13:28.29 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ok, then your /etc/fstab is wrong. You mentioned /dev/sr1 before? Is that the correct device? |
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| 13:28.43 | markvandenborre | so in a non-interactive world, it won't have access to a tty, hence no access to keyboard input |
| 13:28.43 | redwarriors25 | if i use icedove as email client what standard settings for proxy server debian |
| 13:28.44 | bira | heloow |
| 13:28.51 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i see both /dev/sr1 and /dev/cdrom4 :) |
| 13:29.08 | markvandenborre | I'm a little confused how the glue between the device and the events it generates works |
| 13:29.10 | babilen | DelphiWorld: What does "ls -l /dev/cd*" give you? |
| 13:29.40 | markvandenborre | sorry, I mean the glue between the tty and the events it receives |
| 13:29.42 | DelphiWorld | babilen: cdrom,cdrom4 and cdrw4 |
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| 13:30.07 | babilen | DelphiWorld: And where do the links point to? (/dev/sr1 ?) |
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| 13:30.15 | markvandenborre | the events itself are available from /dev/input/event1 |
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| 13:31.00 | DelphiWorld | yes babilen cdrom4 and cdrw4 are sr1. cdrom is sr0 |
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| 13:32.22 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ok, so you have two. Can you mount *other* CDs with "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr1 /media/cdrom" -- I will investigate where the /dev/scd0 entry in /etc/fstab comes from. |
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| 13:33.01 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i will. hold on |
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| 13:34.34 | markvandenborre | babilen: nkuttler : thx for the hints |
| 13:35.13 | markvandenborre | I've written quite a few initscripts before, but this is about allowing interactive use |
| 13:36.17 | markvandenborre | so I started with passwordless terminal autologin in /etc/inittab |
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| 13:37.22 | einyx | i just see an orphaned package that i use |
| 13:37.34 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I sincerely apologise, but I have to go away for some time. I hope that somebody else can pick up where we are now and help you. |
| 13:37.44 | einyx | in the past i've packaged some unofficial software |
| 13:37.50 | einyx | where i can find a sponsorship? :) |
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| 13:38.00 | babilen | DelphiWorld: But just for now: Which kernel do you use and which Debian version is this? |
| 13:38.09 | DelphiWorld | babilen: dont wory;) |
| 13:38.17 | nse | hey guys, do you know if there is a debian package for magento? I am searching it with apt-cache and still can't find any results |
| 13:38.22 | babilen | !tell einyx -about mentors |
| 13:38.25 | DelphiWorld | kernel is my custom, babilen 3.6.5 and debian is WEEZY/SID. |
| 13:39.11 | einyx | babilen: is on invite only |
| 13:39.35 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ok, that explains the sr1 ... You might want to adapt /dev/scd0 to /dev/sr1 in /etc/fstab -- You should still be able to mount with the original command you gave us though. My first thought is that the medium is broken/empty/... |
| 13:39.53 | babilen | einyx: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) which is the official IRC network of Debian |
| 13:40.12 | DelphiWorld | babilen: changed the medium with the same situation:) |
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| 13:41.02 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Oh pity, sorry for not being able to assist you further. -- Unfortunately people are growing increasingly unruly and I have to leave. I will ping you when I'm back. |
| 13:41.17 | DelphiWorld | babilen: thank much |
| 13:41.19 | einyx | babilen: thank you |
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| 13:42.27 | Eagleman | Where can i find this file:Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 13:42.27 | Eagleman | ^C |
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| 13:43.25 | nkuttler | Eagleman: file? |
| 13:43.47 | Eagleman | in mysql they told be the developers hard coded something and placed the password file inside the /etc folder |
| 13:44.46 | nkuttler | Eagleman: did you forget your mysql password or what? |
| 13:44.53 | Eagleman | No |
| 13:44.56 | Eagleman | I can log in as root |
| 13:45.07 | Eagleman | But when i restart mysql i am getting that error |
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| 13:46.06 | nkuttler | Eagleman: try /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 13:46.36 | Eagleman | thanks |
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| 13:49.10 | RyanChile | Hello, |
| 13:49.54 | RyanChile | I'm checking the documentation of debian live-build, was wondering if there exists something similar but that converts an already created install (such as a VM) into a live cd? |
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| 13:50.26 | DelphiWorld | RyanChile: i think you can just use dd ? |
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| 13:52.51 | RyanChile | I wouldn't be so sure... doesn't ISO require a specific kind of bootloader / partition signature? Eltoro or something... |
| 13:53.06 | RyanChile | Eltorito* |
| 13:53.15 | RxDx | please, Im running Debian Squeeze under a Soekris Router.. There are two wireless interfaces (wlan0 and wlan1).. wlan0 is an adhoc network while wlan1 is an Access Point (AP)... when I connect in the AP and try to forward packages my router just crashes, with no log erros and I have to reboot it manually.. what is happening? Is this a hardware problem? |
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| 14:01.55 | Shoya | greetings, is there a way to change my app launcher from Kickoff to another one? |
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| 14:03.40 | ChrisH | RxDx: ' under a Soekris Router' does this mean you are using this router or does it mean you use this HW to run Debian on it? |
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| 14:04.54 | RxDx | ChrisH, I installed debian on this router |
| 14:05.02 | genetix | Anyone know where I can find full Automated deployment information on web to create netboot -> live to media from netboot |
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| 14:05.34 | ChrisH | regaring my initial ping 127.1.2.3 I found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html 5.1.2. The hostname resolution The IP address 127.0.1.1 in the second line of this example may not be found on some other Unix-like systems. The Debian Installer creates this entry for a system without a permanent IP address as a workaround for some software (e.g., GNOME) as documented in the bug #316099. This special entry I |
| 14:05.49 | formorer | genetix: http://grml.org/grml-live/ something like this? |
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| 14:06.36 | genetix | formorer, have to read that a bit and see thx |
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| 14:07.35 | ChrisH | RxDx: Do you have anther System which can receive remote syslog messages? If yes, have the router send its syslog messages via network and maye you see more there. depeding on the way it crashes it might be not able to write the data to a logfile. I assume there is no console connected to get any output. |
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| 14:08.23 | OffTopic | OffTopic! |
| 14:08.26 | OffTopic | OffTopic to the max! |
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| 14:08.51 | genetix | formorer, nope that won't do it is OS based system while I am looking to boot clean installation dump progress to squashfs. |
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| 14:14.17 | eni23 | hello at all. does anybody knows if i can change suexec-docroot without recompiling apache? |
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| 14:15.22 | formorer | genetix: ok. |
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| 14:16.22 | genetix | formorer, yeah, basically I am using the debian preseed currently, but I am stuck on disabling anykind of hd & network detections and disabling the partitioning to ever taking place. |
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| 14:17.07 | genetix | formorer, so I could simply execute dump local pool data to given location from installer. |
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| 14:26.50 | kosaidpo | hello guys |
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| 14:27.56 | kosaidpo | now im on lubuntu 12.04 and i wanted to install debian so im plainin to install debian on my / partition and keep my /home normaly it shud work with hassle right ?? tnx |
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| 14:28.56 | rizlah | Should be |
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| 14:29.03 | rizlah | As long as your /home is seperate |
| 14:29.24 | rizlah | Just make sure you don't format the /home when the installer asks. Select "keep existing data" |
| 14:29.31 | simonlnu | with hassles? probably not :P |
| 14:30.02 | simonlnu | *bah-dum-tssh* |
| 14:30.20 | kosaidpo | rizlah: simonlnu yehh thats what im planin to do |
| 14:30.31 | ChrisH | kosaidpo: to reduce the risk, make sure to have a backup and make sure to give your "debian created user" the same UID as the ubuntu user had! |
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| 14:31.34 | kosaidpo | ChrisH: uhhmm how to do that |
| 14:31.58 | kosaidpo | ChrisH: yeh for back up thats sure |
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| 14:32.48 | ChrisH | kosaidpo: check /etc/passwd or id -a under ubuntu and manually create the user afterwards... man useradd |
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| 14:34.24 | kosaidpo | ChrisH: debian uses by default root i have to add a normal user ight ? |
| 14:35.15 | kosaidpo | im on debian.org but thats so long to read for first use |
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| 14:36.09 | ChrisH | kosaidpo: You should not use root for normal work on any UNIX'ish system. Not Debian, not Ubuntu.... But on Debian you will be asked to provide a root password. |
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| 14:37.28 | kosaidpo | ChrisH: yeh i kno i jsut wanna kno if i have to add new user by myself or debian will do it ( im talkin in general not in my case cus as you said to avoid confilcts ill keep the same user) |
| 14:38.21 | genetix | heck, I begin to wonder, if it's even possible to execute an dump on todays modern linux installer.. ;) |
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| 14:53.30 | AFernandez_ | hello i come in peace |
| 14:53.42 | AFernandez_ | how do i read You have new mail in /var/mail/root |
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| 14:54.20 | damacus | mail gives you a crude reader, but i'd recommend mutt |
| 14:54.32 | JarJarBinks | Hi ppl. I'm trying to locate the amount of page misses in my kernel. I'm reading in /proc/slabinfo /proc/memnifo vmstat "perf top" free etc, but doesn't seem to be able to find the rigth thing. Anybody know how to see the amount of page misses. |
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| 14:54.49 | damacus | AFernandez_: there's also alpine which is a bit more accessible |
| 14:54.59 | AFernandez_ | thank you |
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| 14:55.13 | AFernandez_ | is this from shell or graphical? |
| 14:55.20 | damacus | all are shell |
| 14:55.25 | AFernandez_ | thanks |
| 14:55.27 | damacus | np |
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| 14:58.03 | AFernandez_ | what is the option to read in alpine? |
| 14:59.59 | aswen | hi, is there anyone here who has experience with openvswitch in squeeze? |
| 15:00.02 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: ? |
| 15:00.06 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: Enter? |
| 15:00.25 | AFernandez_ | gives me the option to send |
| 15:00.45 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: Select the inbox |
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| 15:01.11 | AFernandez_ | i did alpine /var/mail/root enter |
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| 15:01.22 | AFernandez_ | but i think thats to write |
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| 15:01.38 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: If you're not root that won't work. |
| 15:01.50 | AFernandez_ | im root |
| 15:01.58 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: you should just run alpine without arguments. |
| 15:02.14 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez_: Should give you a full-screen menu. |
| 15:02.31 | crypticmofo | i love debian but im getting irritated now at so many bugs happening to my computer |
| 15:02.31 | AFernandez_ | ok ill read thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 15:02.46 | crypticmofo | is there a alternate distro to debian that is debian |
| 15:03.39 | RyanChile | crypticmofo: Uhm... Debian? |
| 15:04.15 | crypticmofo | RyanChile, but isn't ubuntu seens as a n00b distro ? |
| 15:04.46 | RyanChile | Ubunto is more a crap distro than a n00b distro. It began as a n00b distro though |
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| 15:05.27 | aswen | crypticmofo, so, I use Debian for quite a lot of servers and am very happy. |
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| 15:05.38 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 15:05.44 | aswen | crypticmofo, allthough we have to solve problems every now and then |
| 15:06.10 | crypticmofo | at this point for the past 3 days i been having issues that haven't been fixed i know everyone volunterrs but its getting annoyning now |
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| 15:06.15 | aswen | crypticmofo, but usualy that is because we break soimething ourselves |
| 15:06.18 | crypticmofo | thats wy im asking is there an alter to debian |
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| 15:07.13 | Shoya | uhh, well, you can use Debian's son, Ubuntu? |
| 15:07.15 | RyanChile | crypticmofo: perhaps a better question is what "issues that haven't fixed yet" are you having |
| 15:07.15 | crypticmofo | i tried fedora but there help or volunterr in irc is next to none so i gave up on that distro |
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| 15:07.37 | crypticmofo | RyanChile, let me find the bugs first |
| 15:07.43 | RyanChile | if you want a help that is like that of a paid system, then you'll have to go for a paid system. |
| 15:07.55 | crypticmofo | yea one sec |
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| 15:10.46 | crypticmofo | RyanChile, ,bug 615022 and ,bug 667517 |
| 15:11.22 | Shoya | greetings, is there a way to change my app launcher from Kickoff to another one, like...lancelot or something? |
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| 15:13.01 | RyanChile | re: 615022: weird, I've installed like 8 wheezy laptops already and none of them had trouble with touchpad, only two of them requiring to add the specific tap / double click directives to the synaptic driver config |
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| 15:25.03 | Shoya | i have a laptop with wheezy, and no problem as well with the touchpad |
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| 15:27.41 | ChrisH | RyanChile: I have the same issue with a new installed wheezy. Do you have a pointer for me on this "synaptic driver config"? It a HP Elitebook 6930p here |
| 15:28.01 | markvandenborre | I am running a small board with no X. I want to: |
| 15:28.02 | markvandenborre | • autologin a user (success, using /etc/inittab and login) |
| 15:28.02 | markvandenborre | • run a script every time this user logs in (success, using .bash_profile) |
| 15:28.03 | markvandenborre | • run this script interactively, with access to a tty or whatever so it can read interactive input (no idea how to do this exactly) |
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| 15:29.04 | markvandenborre | sorry about the multiline paste |
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| 15:29.48 | babilen | markvandenborre: Please don't paste into the channel. Either write it manually or tell us where you are pasting from so we can read the original |
| 15:29.49 | RyanChile | ChrisH: This is one of tthe particular cases I met with: http://txlab.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/activating-touchpad-in-xfce-debian-wheezy/ |
| 15:30.18 | markvandenborre | babilen: as said, this was an accident |
| 15:30.38 | babilen | Shoya: Did you install plasma-widget-lancelot ? |
| 15:30.50 | markvandenborre | I had prepared my question and pasted the four lines by accident |
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| 15:31.31 | markvandenborre | instead of one by one |
| 15:31.35 | babilen | ack |
| 15:32.03 | Shoya | umm, no....let me get it |
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| 15:32.58 | babilen | Shoya: That is under the assumption that you actually want it -- I know nothing about KDE though and can't help you further with KDE specific questions/problems. #kde is probably your best bet in that case. |
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| 15:35.14 | yeehi | what is the current default kernel for debian stable 6.0.6? |
| 15:35.50 | aswen | yeehaw, 2.6.32-5 |
| 15:36.06 | Shoya | oh ok babilen, with wine it would be #winehq right? |
| 15:36.21 | ChrisH | RyanChile: thanks. added that file, will ask the user to reboot |
| 15:36.23 | ShereKahn | Trying to install 6.0.6 on a new 64bit VM, adn the installer is stuck at 1% installing files. On the console I can see that it has stalled while trying to install tzdata as it is marked as untrusted... any easy way to restart the process ? |
| 15:37.35 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:37.51 | coll2 | hi guys where i can get old debian iso's ? |
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| 15:38.55 | Posterdati | I've got problem on whezzy with cups + hplip + Officejet 4500: If you can read this, you are using the wrong driver for your printer. |
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| 15:39.13 | babilen | Shoya: aye |
| 15:39.25 | mang0 | Which nVidia driver (propriatary) should I use for a GTX 560? 195? Or something newer...I've been following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Comparison_of_nvidia-installer_and_the_Debian_way but when I ran the script to determine what driver I should use, it said "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by a newer version of the current drivers series." |
| 15:39.28 | babilen | coll2: Which release? |
| 15:39.49 | babilen | mang0: One second. I'll be with you shortly. |
| 15:39.52 | coll2 | babilen: etch |
| 15:40.00 | babilen | !tell coll2 about etch |
| 15:40.05 | babilen | !tell coll2 about etch niso |
| 15:40.07 | babilen | !tell coll2 about etch iso |
| 15:40.09 | mang0 | babilen: Thanks! |
| 15:40.10 | babilen | (sorry) |
| 15:40.13 | genetix | heh |
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| 15:40.45 | babilen | mang0: You can check which driver version supports your card by checking if it is listed in the README on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ |
| 15:41.01 | mang0 | babilen: Will do so now |
| 15:41.02 | coll2 | i know about the risk just give me the iso :) |
| 15:41.12 | metaphysician | coll2: Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:41.16 | babilen | mang0: The recommended way to install the driver is to use the DKMS (/msg dpkg dkms) packages and install them along the lines of "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms". As you can see in |
| 15:41.26 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:41.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.64-2; experimental/non-free: 310.14-1+exp1 |
| 15:41.52 | babilen | mang0: … we have a number of versions that you can install more or less easily. Which Debian release do you use? |
| 15:41.56 | coll2 | metaphysician: thanks |
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| 15:42.02 | mang0 | babilen, squeeze |
| 15:42.04 | coll2 | what release had 2.6.29 kernel ? |
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| 15:42.07 | MaxFrames | hi |
| 15:42.12 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 15:42.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 15:42.41 | babilen | coll2: I don't think we had a single release with that kernel. We have .32 in squeeze and .26 in lenny |
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| 15:43.19 | DelphiWorld | Back babilen ? |
| 15:43.21 | babilen | mang0: So, lets see if those versions (195.36.31 (squeeze) or 295.59-1 (squeeze-backports)) support your card |
| 15:43.25 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Yes, I am back. |
| 15:43.36 | DelphiWorld | babilen: but i'm front at you know :) |
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| 15:44.02 | DelphiWorld | babilen: BTW. i cant evean create a ISO image of these fucking cd's in windows, satying it's a multi session CD. they are Audio CD. |
| 15:44.12 | mang0 | babilen: Okay, I'm just checking on the FTP you linked me to. |
| 15:44.19 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I guess that explains your issues :) |
| 15:44.37 | DelphiWorld | babilen: so how to read it in linux ? |
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| 15:45.39 | babilen | mang0: The version in backports should support your card -- Which kernel do you use? |
| 15:45.51 | babilen | mang0: (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/README.txt) |
| 15:46.07 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I would use an audio player to play them if they are audio cds |
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| 15:46.27 | DelphiWorld | babilen: LOL. but they are unable to be mounted :) |
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| 15:47.40 | mang0 | babilen: It's not supported by 1.95 |
| 15:47.46 | mang0 | 195* |
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| 15:48.52 | mang0 | babilen: It's in 295.59 though! |
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| 15:49.14 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You don't need to mount audio cds to play them. Just pop them in and use an audio player of your choice to play them |
| 15:49.37 | babilen | mang0: Yes, that is what I just said! :) Which kernel do you use? (uname -a) |
| 15:49.42 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i'm using SHELL and gonna rip them :) |
| 15:50.06 | DelphiWorld | pm babilen :-P |
| 15:50.08 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Hmm, haven't used a shell ripper in ages, but they should have no problem accessing the audio cd |
| 15:50.43 | ShereKahn | hello, I'm trying a fresh install of 6.0.6 with the netinst iso. The installation stalls at 1% when installing package. the console shows that tzdata package is untrusted and seems to be promtping to accept it nevertheless but I have no way to answer that prompt. any clue on how to proceed ? |
| 15:50.45 | mang0 | 2.6.32-5-amd64 babilen |
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| 15:51.26 | DelphiWorld | babilen: ok so, i'lle sShellRip it. |
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| 15:52.40 | babilen | mang0: Ok, you have to configure backports by following the instructions on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ (but make it "main contrib non-free" not just "main" at the end of the deb line) |
| 15:53.03 | mang0 | babilen: I've already got the non-free repo sorted I believe :) |
| 15:53.11 | babilen | mang0: May I see the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn ; cat /proc/cpuinfo" please? |
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| 15:53.23 | babilen | mang0: Wonderful, for backports as well? |
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| 15:53.59 | mang0 | babilen: Ofc! |
| 15:54.05 | DelphiWorld | anyone recomand a shell riping tool ? |
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| 15:54.51 | mang0 | babilen: So I need to install from backports? |
| 15:55.07 | babilen | mang0: I'd just like to see that output in order to determine if you need to install a new kernel while we are at it. |
| 15:55.35 | mang0 | babilen: Uhm, which output? |
| 15:55.41 | babilen | mang0: May I see the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn ; cat /proc/cpuinfo" please? |
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| 15:55.47 | mang0 | babilen: sure |
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| 15:56.19 | simonlnu | DelphiWorld: you need to ripen your shell? |
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| 15:56.35 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: right. found crip, i hope it's good |
| 15:56.52 | simonlnu | oh, rip. ripping |
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| 15:57.09 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I would recommend to rip into ogg ... lets see if there are console tools for that. |
| 15:57.18 | simonlnu | oggenc ;p |
| 15:57.22 | queso | How do I clear saved ssl certs on my machine that have been loaded by iceweasel? |
| 15:57.34 | mang0 | http://pastebin.com/PcV6SFTT babilen |
| 15:57.38 | DelphiWorld | babilen, why no flac? :) |
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| 15:58.18 | simonlnu | pacpl i like, but i customised the package to use the real perl ogg module instead of the one in debian which doesn't cope very either (i think both are bitrotting, personally) |
| 15:58.29 | simonlnu | very well* |
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| 15:58.57 | babilen | DelphiWorld: flac is wonderful too -- ripit looks good |
| 15:59.01 | simonlnu | .oO( note to self, don't code on 4 hours sleep ) |
| 15:59.05 | ShereKahn | Ok seems I could install the base system with the network disconnected |
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| 16:00.18 | babilen | mang0: I'm checking your hardware on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (with the lspci -n output) |
| 16:00.55 | mang0 | babilen: Right, want me to clarify anything? |
| 16:02.38 | babilen | !BCM4306 |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4306 is an 802.11b/g wireless LAN chipset. Revision 2 devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. Revision 3 devices are supported by the <b43> driver. See also <bcm4309>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 16:04.02 | mang0 | The wifi card is a right arse to set up...but I did it! \o/ |
| 16:04.06 | confusid | How do I go about fixing this? W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://http.debian.net squeeze-proposed-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 16:04.23 | confusid | I used apt-get update and it gave me this error. First time for the error. |
| 16:04.27 | babilen | mang0: Yeah, just wanted to make sure |
| 16:04.33 | mang0 | Sure |
| 16:04.41 | DelphiWorld | simonlnu: it's trying to rip all my cd in a single song while specifying all, could you try crip ? |
| 16:05.02 | simonlnu | i don't have anything to rip |
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| 16:05.14 | babilen | mang0: No, I'm fine. But I would recommend to install a 3.2 kernel from backports too. So, step by step: 1. Kernel Upgrade: Run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-linux-nonfree" 2. I would also recommend to install recent microcode for your CPU because *everybody* needs a bug free processor. Install it with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iucode-tool ... |
| 16:05.15 | DammitJim | when one uses dd, the device becomes read only, right? |
| 16:05.20 | babilen | ... amd64-microcode" |
| 16:06.29 | babilen | mang0: Hmm, before we start all this. How old is that installation and how comfortable are you with Debian and/or Linux? Would you prefer to run a development release (i.e. wheezy/testing) rather than installing backports? |
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| 16:07.09 | DelphiWorld | brb getting a coffee and maybe a cup for babilen :-D |
| 16:07.24 | mang0 | babilen: Installed this morning, no problems if it gets messed up! |
| 16:07.51 | mpu | Hi, I want to install a php + nginx config, what setting do you recommand most (php-fpm, php-cgi, ...). The server will not be under heavy load. |
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| 16:08.01 | mang0 | And no, I'm fine with backports - and yes, I'm a little comfortable with linux; I got bored with ubuntu, but liked aptitude, so I thought I'd move a level up. |
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| 16:08.19 | mang0 | I don't always know what to do, but I understand why I need to do it...or the other way round, depends |
| 16:08.21 | babilen | mang0: Sure, what is that box used for and how comfortable are you with Debian? Would you prefer to install a beta/development version rather than running the stable version + backports? |
| 16:08.37 | babilen | mang0: Ok, well ... you can always upgrade. |
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| 16:09.01 | nkuttler | mpu: an easy way is to have an apache running behind nginx |
| 16:09.03 | mang0 | babilen: It's just my main desktop, which is why I opted for stable rather than unstable |
| 16:09.21 | babilen | mang0: After you've installed the new kernel and booted into it you can install the nvidia driver by running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports -r nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 16:09.34 | mpu | nkuttler: is this a joke? |
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| 16:10.32 | babilen | mang0: The only thing left is the configuration which is done by creating the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) and creating a suitable configuration file in there by running "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" -- Run "update-initramfs -u" and reboot once again. |
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| 16:12.07 | mpu | nkuttler: anyway if it is not a joke I do not want an easy way, I am really concerned about the best choice of components (and the smallest, my disk space is limited) |
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| 16:12.47 | ChrisH | RyanChile: USer happy works now. Thanks |
| 16:13.39 | RyanChile | ChrisH: you're welcome |
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| 17:06.52 | grobda24 | Hello. In aptitude how do I show what files a package has installed ? |
| 17:07.07 | mang0_ | I'm back, not sure if the guy that was helping me is still here...and I feel like a bit of a fool, I can't even remember his nick, and it was only 30 minutes ago! Began with a "b"? |
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| 17:07.45 | ttyS1 | hello, I'm trying to install cryptsetup but it sasys there is some error with the script. It gives me the following error http://paste.debian.net/208919/ |
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| 17:08.30 | AFernandez_ | apt-get install -f? |
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| 17:10.24 | nvz | mang0_: were you using a different nick? cause I dont see you before a few minutes ago |
| 17:10.26 | mang0_ | AFernandez_: Can you see who I was just talking to up there ^? Thanks... |
| 17:10.55 | nvz | and my client has been here like 18hrs |
| 17:11.00 | sney | looks like it was babilen |
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| 17:11.13 | mang0_ | nvz: Oh, maybe I was. Was there a guy upgrading his kernel? That was me |
| 17:11.25 | mang0_ | Like, just now...should be just up there somewhere ^ |
| 17:11.28 | mang0_ | Maybe my nick was Matrix? |
| 17:11.36 | AFernandez_ | ok |
| 17:11.42 | AFernandez_ | how long ago? |
| 17:11.46 | sney | mang0_: no, you were mang0 and the person helping you was babilen. |
| 17:11.59 | mang0_ | babilen! That was it :) |
| 17:12.09 | mang0_ | sney, thankyou |
| 17:12.11 | sney | and he was walking you through upgrading your kernel and installing the nvidia driver from backports. |
| 17:12.15 | mang0_ | Yup |
| 17:12.19 | sney | it's one of the things he does, since he packaged that nvidia driver |
| 17:12.29 | sney | so where did you get stuck? |
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| 17:12.41 | mang0_ | Ah right, I see. Well I'm having a couple of errors with the kernel upgrading. Second, I'll pastebin it |
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| 17:14.49 | mang0_ | sney: Here: http://pastebin.com/cBC9Pdx1 |
| 17:16.09 | sney | mang0_: that actually worked fine. the missing firmware package it complains about is some extra firmware for a wired network adapter, which you may or may not be using |
| 17:16.20 | sney | if you want those warnings to go away, you can install firmware-realtek, but it's optional |
| 17:16.26 | Brigo | mang0_: these are no errors, are warnings. |
| 17:17.57 | babilen | mang0_: Didn't I mention the firmware? |
| 17:18.29 | sney | babilen: you had him install firmware-linux-nonfree, not -realtek |
| 17:18.44 | babilen | Ah, an unfortunate oversight. |
| 17:19.01 | babilen | mang0_: Just install firmware-realtek from backports too |
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| 17:19.52 | mang0__ | I keep timing out, damn web-client. Did I miss anything? |
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| 17:20.07 | mike_o | Is there a way to run fsck to assume yes for all questions EXCEPT the first instance where it asks if I want to abort to check? |
| 17:20.08 | schrodinger | Friend of mine just face palmed and did chown -R in the wrong place™ / - What is the Debianism for fixing this ? |
| 17:20.38 | creshal | schrodinger: Slapping him? |
| 17:20.41 | sney | mang0__: install firmware-realtek from backports to get rid of that warning, but everything worked otherwise |
| 17:20.47 | schrodinger | creshal: That will come afterwards |
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| 17:21.15 | herrkey | Just use your backup. |
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| 17:22.08 | schrodinger | herrkey: Yeah..... I don't think he keeps any. *pending rant* |
| 17:22.36 | creshal | schrodinger: Slap him harder. |
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| 17:23.20 | schrodinger | These are all great suggestions but don't fix the system. I've fixed this before on BSD and slackware systems using mtree and MANIFEST respectively. But I am unfamiliar with any Debian method. |
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| 17:24.35 | creshal | I think having him fix it would have a better educational value, but anyway. Does reinstalling packages fix the permissions for their files? |
| 17:25.34 | schrodinger | Not sure, I have read some mumblings that it would. |
| 17:25.48 | schrodinger | And I'm trying now to confirm the proceedure for such an endeavour. |
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| 17:26.19 | Shoya | hi, so i'm on wheezy, and for some reason, my desktop zooms out and shows all windows, this has happened repeatedly, is there any way to fix it? |
| 17:26.24 | creshal | chown everything outside /home to root, reinstall all packages and pray? It's not like it could make things worse. Much. |
| 17:26.50 | creshal | Shoya: Pressed the wrong key/key stuck? |
| 17:27.05 | schrodinger | creshal: Ha, indeed. I think the problem right now is mostly the group ownership he set. Something other than root. I presume... that root:root will Fix It™ |
| 17:27.21 | Shoya | if it was like that, wouldn't it be happening all the time? |
| 17:27.34 | Shoya | it happens every now and then |
| 17:28.08 | Shoya | mostly happens when i move the mouse in a specific way, like downwards, or to the right side |
| 17:28.14 | abrotman | Shoya: which desktop ? |
| 17:28.15 | creshal | schrodinger: /var will probably need different ownerships, but I *think* reinstallation might fix those. |
| 17:28.23 | Shoya | KDE abrotman |
| 17:28.33 | abrotman | nerp, not my stuff :) |
| 17:28.33 | Shoya | do i go to #kde then? |
| 17:28.44 | abrotman | no, just wait for a kde person to come around .. we have a few |
| 17:28.48 | Shoya | oh |
| 17:28.50 | schrodinger | creshal: Is there a quick shot apt one liner to reinstall packages? |
| 17:28.55 | abrotman | if you're really impatient .. you can try #kde |
| 17:29.12 | creshal | schrodinger: No idea, actually, Google might have one. Presumably involving lots of awk. |
| 17:29.19 | schrodinger | ha |
| 17:29.30 | Shoya | i am, i mean, it's fudging up my mind |
| 17:29.31 | schrodinger | creshal: Aye, thanks for the input appreciated. |
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| 17:30.19 | mang0 | Sorry, I thought I'd fixed this silly wifi problem. |
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| 17:30.38 | mang0 | sney: Did you see my pastes? |
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| 17:32.33 | sney | mang0: only the first one. |
| 17:32.51 | mang0 | I think I only pasted one - I was going to paste my sources.list if you wanted it, sney |
| 17:32.52 | sney | I'm not really around right now. but most of the helpers here know about this stuff |
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| 17:33.24 | mang0 | sney: Okay, thanks. |
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| 17:34.19 | babilen | mang0: We've just mentioned that those firmware related messages are warnings and not errors and that you can install firmware-realtek from backports to make sure that you have the firmware |
| 17:34.22 | mang0 | That said, I just rebooted and using the new kernel, both of my monitors are registered, but they are both duplicates, and 1280x1024, even on the 1920x1080 monitor. |
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| 17:34.34 | mang0 | babilen: Okay, will do so! |
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| 17:35.14 | babilen | mang0: Which DE/WM are you using? You can adjust the resolution with their "display" tools or with generic ones such as xrandr or arandr. |
| 17:35.24 | babilen | mang0: What does "xrandr -q" give you? |
| 17:35.36 | invariant | Is there some abstraction somewhere to restart a given service across multiple Linux/FreeBSD operating systems? |
| 17:35.48 | mang0 | babilen: Gnome, I believe. I tried, it says that 1920x1080 is out of reach. I'll try with xrandr |
| 17:35.52 | babilen | mang0: Did you install the NVIDIA driver already? |
| 17:36.01 | mang0 | babilen: No |
| 17:36.12 | mang0 | babilen: I was just saying the kernel update itself changed stuff |
| 17:36.15 | babilen | mang0: You might want to continue with that. |
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| 17:36.30 | invariant | For mysql, you have mysqld on Red Hat and mysql on Debian. |
| 17:36.33 | mang0 | Indeed - what was the command you said? I can't scroll up... |
| 17:36.44 | babilen | mang0: Sure (as would upgrading Xorg - /msg dpkg bdo xorg) .. but just continue with the nvidia driver installation |
| 17:36.50 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:37.04 | mang0 | I will, but I have *no* record of what you told me to do! |
| 17:37.09 | babilen | mang0: The only thing left is the configuration which is done by creating the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) and creating a suitable configuration file in there by running "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" -- Run "update-initramfs -u" and reboot once again. |
| 17:37.15 | mang0 | Other than remembering I need 295.35.. |
| 17:37.27 | yeehi | I want to set up debian squeeze on a 16GB drive: I want a single partition. Do I have to set the / partition to bootable? Also, I want to connect to the system using openssh-server. Do I have to select SSH server later on, or should I just use Desktop and basic utilities? |
| 17:37.32 | babilen | mang0: After you've installed the new kernel and booted into it you can install the nvidia driver by running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports -r nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 17:37.43 | babilen | mang0: (in the other order) |
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| 17:38.52 | JordiGH | Where does reportbug get my email address by default? It's picking up an email address I no longer use. |
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| 17:42.48 | babilen | JordiGH: EMAIL, DEBEMAIL env variables. Also its configuration file ( ~/.reportbugrc ) and .. read its manpage! |
| 17:43.15 | babilen | JordiGH: I guess the best approach is to just re-run "reportbug --configure" and configure it as you want) |
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| 17:50.38 | RayzrShrp | greetings everyone |
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| 17:54.31 | RyanChile | Any Debian tool I can use to turn an already working install (specifically a VM) into a live-cd? |
| 17:54.38 | JordiGH | babilen: Thanks, I hadn't found the .reportbugrc thing. |
| 17:55.04 | RyanChile | (note I know about live-build, I just want to find out a way to not redo from scratch) |
| 17:56.02 | babilen | RyanChile: No idea and my guts say: No. But ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 17:57.04 | RyanChile | babilen: Thanks (again!) |
| 17:57.17 | solidus-river | hey all, is there a way to require the latest version of a package in a debian control file under Depends |
| 17:57.23 | solidus-river | or do i have to give a version? |
| 17:58.15 | ksk | i have no idea about debian packaging, but wouldnt it be a bad idea do depent on "newest"? i mean it could be that new that it does not work as expected by you |
| 17:58.41 | solidus-river | aye, the underlying issue here is we need to fix our apt repo |
| 17:58.59 | solidus-river | someone set it up where the verison number is the current day and we dont keep old versions of packages -_- |
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| 17:59.56 | yeehi | I found a great tool the other day: Y PPA Manager: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/y-ppa-manager sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install y-ppa-manager |
| 18:00.23 | yeehi | What it does is helps you add PPAs. It provides a nice GUI and helps you search all launchpad PPAs |
| 18:01.02 | yeehi | additionally, after you use it to add a PPA, it updates what is necessary, without you having to do an entire sudo apt-get update - I found it v useful in installation |
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| 18:04.49 | nkuttler | yeehi: PPAs are not supported here and you shouldn't use them |
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| 18:15.25 | jpwhiting | is this the right channel to ask debian packaging questions? I've got a PREFIX variable I'm using in my Makefile, but can't seem to get it set to my custom path in the debian/rules file |
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| 18:15.47 | babilen | jpwhiting: You want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) :) |
| 18:16.05 | nvz | jpwhiting: very general things may be addressed here.. if its more applying to official packaging and policy may be more for the DDs |
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| 18:16.23 | nvz | never hurts to also ask in #debian-mentors |
| 18:16.24 | babilen | jpwhiting: But what do you want to do? What is the PREFIX set to? What do you package? is it meant for Debian? |
| 18:16.38 | jpwhiting | it's not meant for debian, but a debian based custom distro |
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| 18:16.52 | jpwhiting | just packaging some html files and a simple web server |
| 18:17.00 | babilen | jpwhiting: There really shouldn't be custom paths -- You packages should comply with the FHS and install files in standard locations. |
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| 18:17.03 | jpwhiting | I want to set the prefix to /opt/blah |
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| 18:18.02 | nvz | I'm planning on doing something similar in the near future.. gonna package up my wine bottles for crossover for ease of backup I think |
| 18:18.20 | nvz | make a simple way to install/remove them using dpkg rather than crossover |
| 18:18.37 | jpwhiting | but basically what I need to know is how to pass an environment variable into make from my debian/rules file that's just using dh $@ so far |
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| 18:18.52 | babilen | jpwhiting: take a look at dh_install. Please tell people in #d-mentors that you are *not* packaging for Debian or even in a Debian compliant way. I would create a *good* package that complies with the Debian policy if I were you as our tools are meant to be used for that. |
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| 18:20.31 | jpwhiting | ok, great, thanks |
| 18:20.55 | nvz | I'm still debating how to best setup crossover/wine bottles in a way that isnt user specific, but still allows users to easily access them via a group or something.. not familiar enough yet to know what issues that may cause |
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| 18:21.16 | mns | is there a simple to setup, web-based, issue-tracking software that anyone can recoomend ? |
| 18:21.25 | nvz | obviously multiple users accessing a bottle can be a problem.. idk.. was a thought I had |
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| 18:23.16 | BenNZ | nvz: im not an expert on wine , but could you make a directory like /home/wine , make it available to the users group (or whatever group) then symlink /home/user/.wine to it and so on for all users ? |
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| 18:25.06 | yeehi | thank you nkuttler - i didn't know that |
| 18:25.17 | nvz | mns: I dont have an real experience with em to recommend one.. but the only one that comes to mind thinking about it is trac.. its wiki based and has a lot of plugins |
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| 18:26.21 | nvz | BenNZ: ultimately I think its gonna be fairly complex the end result.. heh.. like making just the apps themselves shared and packaged.. the "bottle" as far as windows configs will all be user-specific |
| 18:26.34 | mns | nvz: thanks I did give it a shot, but didn't get far with it. I'll give it a try agin. |
| 18:26.40 | nvz | insuring it can evne be used simultaneously without issue and without needing multiple copies of a large windows program |
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| 18:27.27 | talexb | I'm working on setting up a tftp server on my workstation so I can install Debian 6.0.6 on an IBM 3250 .. I'm not clear on what has to go into /tftpboot .. |
| 18:27.31 | nvz | I just finally built myself a computer for the first time in like 10 years.. heh.. and ironically I built a 10 year old rig.. but still.. |
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| 18:27.56 | nvz | getting ideas about how to keep my data organized this time and ease the backup process so I dont spend weeks doing configuration all the time |
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| 18:28.26 | talexb | is it valid for me to put a Debian net install ISO into /tftpboot? |
| 18:28.28 | BenNZ | nvz: the games can be seperate , you can symlink to where the games are , i do this for a few of the games i use in wine |
| 18:28.46 | nvz | talexb: no you dont need that, you need netboot.tar.gz |
| 18:28.53 | invariant | Is there a file system which asks for a password on access based on gnupg or similar? |
| 18:29.03 | talexb | nvz Oh. OK, I'll try that. |
| 18:29.18 | nvz | talexb: everything needed for a PXE boot is in there if I recall correctly.. |
| 18:29.57 | talexb | nvz OK, so just unpack and it should be ready to go? |
| 18:30.04 | Shoya | how can i make Konsole open links in Iceweasel when i double click on the link in irssi? |
| 18:30.16 | nvz | invariant: luks and cryptfs can offer an encrypted fs with keys/passwords |
| 18:30.22 | Shoya | more like, how do i make IceWeasel my default browser |
| 18:30.30 | nvz | crpyptloop or w/e |
| 18:30.59 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:31.45 | nvz | so you like bloated consoles and browsers, but use a good slimmed down irc client? |
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| 18:32.17 | Shoya | well i like irssi |
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| 18:32.34 | Shoya | haven't found a browser that i like...or a console that i like... |
| 18:32.41 | nvz | in gnome it already does the link thing, and System > Prefs > Preferrede Applications I think it is.. sets the defaults |
| 18:32.55 | nvz | dont know about KDE or Konsole |
| 18:33.11 | nvz | but probably has something similar for setting the default browser, media player, etc.. |
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| 18:33.29 | shPikachu | hi ppl. is it possible to cross-compile gtk+3 to arm using multiarch? |
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| 18:35.03 | metaphysician | Shoya: hint KDE System Settings. |
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| 18:40.21 | Shoya | right, also, i just noticed irssi, doesn't open on click, double click, or 9999 click |
| 18:40.22 | mang0 | babilen: I've done everything with the drivers and rebooted, now I need to sort out my xorg.conf you say? I guess I need it to state what resolution to force the two monitors to, because atm one of them isn't working and one of them is incorrect! |
| 18:40.22 | negge | I don't know if this is the best place to ask but here it goes: I have a script which kills a process, runs a separate process (until that process exits) and then re-runs the process that got killed in the beginning. My problem is that if the initial process opens a port, the script that kills it will inherit that handle so when the original process is restarted it can't bind to the port. How can I prevent this? I hope you understand the scena |
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| 18:42.25 | bitHipy | do any commandline calendar apps export iCal files? Anyone here use /pal/ or /clcal/? |
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| 18:46.31 | MrFrood | bitHipy: I was looking at console calander apps the othr day and I'm sure some had ical support but I'm afraid I can't remember specific packages |
| 18:47.17 | bitHipy | MrFrood: well i'm glad to know there's something.. so my search might pay off |
| 18:47.54 | bitHipy | strange that it's not a front-page feature for these tools |
| 18:48.17 | daimrod | bitHipy: org-mode has iCal import/export. |
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| 18:48.38 | bitHipy | org-mode? is that an emacs mode? |
| 18:48.43 | daimrod | yes. |
| 18:48.54 | bitHipy | thanks.. i'll check it out |
| 18:49.09 | metaphysician | Shoya: the executable is `systemsettings' and it stores something in ~/.kde/share/config/systemsettingsrc |
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| 18:50.57 | metaphysician | Shoya: grep firefox ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals gives BrowserApplication[$e]=!firefox |
| 18:51.24 | Shoya | what? |
| 18:51.32 | Shoya | you lost me metaphysician |
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| 18:52.07 | metaphysician | Shoya: set default browser in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 18:52.20 | Shoya | oh i already did that |
| 18:52.28 | Shoya | sorry for not clearing it up |
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| 18:53.19 | jaequery | for setting up file servers (large amount of files), what is the preferred filesystem? ext3/ext4/zfs? basically, i want something stable, dont care about performance, i just don't want to deal with file corruption down the line |
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| 18:54.49 | helo | how do i tell which hard drive ata3.00 and ata3.01 correspond to? |
| 18:54.59 | SPF | mount //servername/share doesnt work, mount //ip/share works, and dns works. What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:55.10 | helo | ata3.00: ATA-8: ST3160318AS, CC38, max UDMA/133, and ata3.01: ATA-8: ST3160318AS, CC38, max UDMA/133 :/ |
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| 18:59.29 | scientes | DRDY DRDY! |
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| 18:59.49 | scientes | SPF, i've had that problem |
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| 19:01.15 | dreamon | searchin a usb-osziloscope that runs on linux. anybody here who can tell me a good one? |
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| 19:14.40 | Dan39 | hello, if i want to install a debian package, like curl, then install it from source into /usr/local/, this would be fine? i often install it just from source into /usr/local, but i noticed if i install the package also, after i run ldconfig, now the curl in /usr/ links to the libs in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib |
| 19:14.58 | sney | !stow |
| 19:14.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 19:15.16 | Dan39 | looks neat |
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| 19:16.09 | Dan39 | but if im only doing like 1 program.. like curl, cant i just tell /usr/bin/curl to link to /usr/lib/libcurl and /usr/local/bin/curl to link to /usr/local/lib/libcurl? |
| 19:16.13 | markvandenborre | anyone knows if there is a way in debian to do roughly the following: |
| 19:16.29 | markvandenborre | (presumably using apt and friends) |
| 19:16.29 | Shoya | markvandenborre, put it on paste.debian.org |
| 19:16.37 | Dan39 | i imagine using ld or ldconfig it shouldnt be too hard |
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| 19:16.45 | Shoya | if it's long, that is |
| 19:16.58 | markvandenborre | Shoya: I'm actually asking for something else than the 4 lines I pasted before :-) |
| 19:17.08 | Shoya | right |
| 19:17.21 | Shoya | just saying though |
| 19:17.23 | markvandenborre | and it wasn't long, it was just a bit fast one line after another because I had actually thought before asking :) |
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| 19:18.23 | Shoya | what's a good browser for debian? |
| 19:18.25 | markvandenborre | is there a way to download a pacakge and its (first or second degree) dependencies _for a different platform_ |
| 19:18.40 | Shoya | platform? |
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| 19:18.44 | babilen | Shoya: chromium and iceweasel come to mind .. :) |
| 19:18.51 | Shoya | i'm using iceweasel |
| 19:18.52 | markvandenborre | err, architecture, sorry |
| 19:19.00 | Shoya | hmm, lemme check if it's my memory |
| 19:19.04 | Shoya | brb, rebooting |
| 19:20.17 | babilen | markvandenborre: Not to my knowledge. Why would you need that? |
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| 19:23.52 | markvandenborre | babilen: because I have an embedded board here without network access |
| 19:24.18 | markvandenborre | and I'd like to download dependencies of a pacakge without manually going through all of them |
| 19:24.27 | markvandenborre | there probably is another elegant way of doing this |
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| 19:25.06 | dondelelcaro | markvandenborre: apt-zip is the classic method of doing that |
| 19:25.15 | dondelelcaro | markvandenborre: but for embedded boards, there's all sorts of other ways |
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| 19:25.29 | babilen | markvandenborre: I would recommend tools such as apt-walkabout, apt-zip or those mentioned in their respective factoids. |
| 19:26.15 | markvandenborre | dondelelcaro: the only way I have is usb mass storage or something over usbserial |
| 19:26.22 | markvandenborre | thx both of you for the hints |
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| 19:28.02 | nsadmin | apt-offline? |
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| 19:30.22 | UukGoblin | hi guys, I'm not sure if it's the right place to ask... I've gotten a lot of I/O errors on various drives in raid5 and mdadm keeps resyncing the array |
| 19:30.43 | UukGoblin | it did happen several times that the same sector I/O errored on multiple drives |
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| 19:31.01 | UukGoblin | however I'm not sure whether I actually lost data or was it recovered by the raid |
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| 19:31.19 | UukGoblin | I managed to successfully xfsdump the whole filesystem that was taking a major part of that array |
| 19:31.19 | ToApolytoXaos | good evening everyone. does anyone know if there's a way to see how a set of libraries got compiled? i am asking because I think package libwxgtk2.8-0 got compiled with g++ 4.6 whereas I need to use 4.7 and surely the generated signatures won't match upon project compilation. |
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| 19:32.12 | Shoya | hmm, i think it was my memory |
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| 19:32.15 | UukGoblin | so I have questions like: Would xfsdump report an error? Would mdadm ever corrupt my data rather than report an I/O error to the underlying lvm/xfs? |
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| 19:35.02 | Chousuke | Any idea what could be causing my volume to reset to maximum whenever I plug in my headphones? :/ it's getting kind of annoying |
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| 19:52.55 | apokatastasis | it looks like alsamixer defaults to pulseaudio in my installation now? I have no idea what's actually going on. |
| 19:53.44 | sney | pulseaudio is brought along for the ride on most desktop installs now |
| 19:54.16 | ws2k3 | hi if i want a file in /var/www/test thats link to /home/test/test how should i do that |
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| 19:55.00 | apokatastasis | yes, but ever since the latest update, the default seems to be pulse and it has caused my audio to not work properly |
| 19:56.21 | apokatastasis | ws2k3: you want a symlink. ln -s /var/www/test /home/test/test |
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| 19:58.34 | apokatastasis | here's a screenshot, could someone let me know how to set HDA-NVidia as the default sound card? That's what it was before. http://i.imgur.com/rsYIO.png |
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| 19:59.18 | nsadmin | does /proc/asound/cards mention pulse? |
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| 20:01.56 | nsadmin | also when you say pulse "makes your sound not work properly" what exactly do you mean by that? |
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| 20:03.30 | helo | pulse smakka down |
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| 20:03.57 | apokatastasis | occassionally flash stops working (youtube of course), but just the audio, and even when there is nothing else using audio |
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| 20:04.37 | apokatastasis | also, voume control in ncmpcpp stopped working |
| 20:04.45 | apokatastasis | volume* |
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| 20:06.55 | nsadmin | earlier, I wanted to know if pulse was installed like an alsa "card"... does /proc/asound/cards mention it? |
| 20:07.49 | apokatastasis | it doesn't appear to |
| 20:07.50 | babilen | nsadmin: it does not |
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| 20:09.53 | nsadmin | apokatastasis so if I understand you correctly, you want pulse out? |
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| 20:10.36 | nsadmin | babilen, if that's what he wants, how would he do it? |
| 20:10.50 | apokatastasis | nsadmin: not necessarily, but if that's what it takes to get things working properly again, then yes. |
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| 20:12.41 | nsadmin | it might be the easier thing to do, to remive pulse and leave enough clues in place to put it back |
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| 20:12.54 | babilen | nsadmin: pulseaudio is software. It will *never* be a physical card. The strenght of your wish doesn't really enter the equation there .... |
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| 20:13.05 | nsadmin | and see if all the issues you're reporting now go away |
| 20:13.37 | nsadmin | babilen, I'm already past that :) |
| 20:13.53 | babilen | past physicality? |
| 20:13.58 | nazardo | ToApolytoXaos: have you already tried to compile your project? |
| 20:14.17 | ToApolytoXaos | nazardo, yes |
| 20:14.29 | ToApolytoXaos | i had issues with it, that's why i decided to ask here |
| 20:14.45 | nsadmin | "it's not not worked in such that it appears as a card in alsa." done :) |
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| 20:15.44 | nazardo | ToApolytoXaos: as far as I know compiled binaries do not store lots of compiler information |
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| 20:16.46 | apokatastasis | I'll try removing pulse then and seeing what happens |
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| 20:17.03 | ToApolytoXaos | nazardo, i will re-compile my project then with g++-4.7 and i will let you know where it breaks, okay? |
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| 20:19.32 | nazardo | actually I don't know... sorry |
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| 20:20.17 | ToApolytoXaos | then why did you bother answer man?! this is a serious issue i face here |
| 20:20.21 | nazardo | the only thing I can think of is running 'strings - /path/to/library | grep compiler' |
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| 20:23.18 | nazardo | also try with 'grep GCC' |
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| 20:27.59 | scientes | ToApolytoXaos, the ubuntu compiler embeds its name into the binary, the debian one does not |
| 20:28.11 | scientes | ToApolytoXaos, but you can use elfread --all /the/binary to get alot of info |
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| 20:28.35 | ToApolytoXaos | OK, i will look at it right now, cheers |
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| 20:33.06 | Xtreme | guys, when i reload or update repos i get "failed" for most of files |
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| 20:33.10 | Xtreme | any suggestiosn? |
| 20:33.47 | babilen | !tell Xtreme -about bat |
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| 20:36.34 | Xtreme | babilen, synaptics :) |
| 20:36.45 | Xtreme | i am getting failed. |
| 20:36.49 | Xtreme | everywhere |
| 20:37.18 | babilen | Xtreme: Show us (along with the rest of the information mentioned in the factoid dpkg just sent you) |
| 20:37.57 | babilen | Xtreme: And if you use the horror that is synaptics: don't or figure out another way to convey that information. :) |
| 20:38.01 | apokatastasis | nsadmin: I removed pulse and rebooted, everything seems to work fine now. thanks |
| 20:38.17 | Xtreme | http://pastebin.com/cg7ETU8q |
| 20:38.25 | babilen | apokatastasis: Are you the one who wanted a physical pulseaudio card? |
| 20:38.36 | Xtreme | babilen, hit and ign |
| 20:39.00 | Xtreme | synaptics screenshots comigng up |
| 20:39.04 | apokatastasis | babilen: lol, no. I just wanted to fix some audio problems that were apparently created by the presence of pulse |
| 20:39.16 | babilen | Xtreme: You are using a number of unsupported third-party repositories, but can see nothing wrong. Which problem are you trying to fix? |
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| 20:39.44 | babilen | apokatastasis: I'm nosy: Which problems? |
| 20:39.59 | Xtreme | babilen, how to get rid of those? |
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| 20:40.04 | Rob-_ | I was wondering if there is a way to pass from RAID6 with 12x2tb to RAID6 with 8x3tb |
| 20:40.06 | babilen | Xtreme: Of which? |
| 20:40.16 | Xtreme | unsupprted repo |
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| 20:40.43 | apokatastasis | babilen: 15:03:57 < apokatastasis> occassionally flash stops working (youtube of course), but just the audio, and even when there is nothing else using audio |
| 20:40.47 | apokatastasis | babilen: 15:04:36 < apokatastasis> also, voume control in ncmpcpp stopped working |
| 20:40.54 | babilen | Xtreme: You have google repositories along with dropbox in your /etc/apt/sources.list o /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- I assume that *you* put them there. |
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| 20:41.29 | Xtreme | babilen, nope, i dint.. :) |
| 20:41.44 | Xtreme | http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u538/MrXtremeM/Screenshotfrom2012-11-14020943.png |
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| 20:41.47 | Xtreme | babilen, ^^ |
| 20:41.49 | babilen | apokatastasis: pulseaudio + flash wants a /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc like http://paste.debian.net/208983/ |
| 20:41.58 | babilen | !show sources.list Xtreme |
| 20:41.59 | dpkg | Xtreme: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 20:42.03 | Xtreme | babilen, i get failed for debian too |
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| 20:42.12 | babilen | Xtreme: You don't get *any* failures |
| 20:43.05 | Xtreme | babilen, http://pastebin.com/VfF0mkQj |
| 20:43.21 | apokatastasis | babilen: ok, but I think I will just leave pulse off for now until I have some reason to actually use it |
| 20:43.31 | Xtreme | babilen, You don't get *any* failures (confused :( ) |
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| 20:43.42 | babilen | apokatastasis: sure |
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| 20:44.13 | babilen | Xtreme: Please run "apt-get update" and show me the output along with your sources.list (see dpkg's factoid) |
| 20:44.31 | Xtreme | babilen, yes i did both :) |
| 20:44.43 | Xtreme | 1st pastebin was apt-get update |
| 20:44.46 | Xtreme | 2nd was sources |
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| 20:47.52 | babilen | Xtreme: I would recommend to switch to a different mirror. In particular http://http.debian.net -- that means that you would use something like: http://paste.debian.net/208986/ -- You also didn't paste the output of "find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;" but merely a view entries of your sources |
| 20:49.24 | babilen | Xtreme: To elaborate: "Ign" means that there was a problem during the download, but that the error has been ignored. This is safe to do for some file because they really aren't essential. "Hit" means that the file has been found, but didn't change since your last run and therefore didn't need to be downloaded again |
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| 20:50.09 | Xtreme | babilen, thanks, i really needed it.. I tried your suggestion of changing the source, and yes it worked like charm :) |
| 20:50.13 | Xtreme | thanks mate :) |
| 20:50.20 | babilen | You are welcome |
| 20:51.00 | Xtreme | babilen, get = updated right? |
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| 20:55.37 | Xtreme | guys, can i ask a silly question? (its really silly one) |
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| 20:57.07 | n2diy | A couple of days ago I was complaining I had no drop down menus in my terminal, now I do!? I guess every install has to "cook" for a couple of days before it is done. |
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| 20:57.24 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 20:57.32 | Umeaboy | Just a quick question. |
| 20:57.58 | Umeaboy | I have heard that you can install Debian on a TV, but I can't find any page related to that on google. |
| 20:58.04 | Umeaboy | I must be typing something wrong. |
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| 20:58.12 | Umeaboy | Debian + TV is what I wrote. |
| 20:59.04 | n2diy | Umeaboy, Try mythtv? |
| 20:59.26 | Umeaboy | n2diy: This page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Debian_Etch |
| 20:59.27 | Umeaboy | ? |
| 20:59.45 | Umeaboy | Or do I use another guide? |
| 21:00.34 | n2diy | Umeaboy, I don't know what your looking for, that's the only program for a TV that I've heard of. |
| 21:00.56 | damacus | etch is super old |
| 21:01.23 | rizlah | Yeah, but many neckbeards are so scared of change they can't bare updating |
| 21:01.34 | rizlah | God forbid the world moves outside of their basement |
| 21:02.00 | damacus | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Debian_Sid |
| 21:02.03 | damacus | that's a far better guide |
| 21:02.12 | damacus | doesn't talk about using who-knows-what binary repos |
| 21:02.51 | damacus | well, sorta. |
| 21:03.06 | damacus | the building from upstream part :) |
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| 21:05.18 | Umeaboy | But my TV isn't SID-based. |
| 21:05.23 | Umeaboy | It's MIPS-based. |
| 21:05.41 | Umeaboy | damacus: ^ ^ |
| 21:05.43 | sney | Umeaboy: sid is just one of the debian release branches |
| 21:05.47 | Umeaboy | OK. |
| 21:06.25 | Umeaboy | But............that guide is made for TV's that have BEEN installed with Debian. |
| 21:06.29 | Umeaboy | Mine is just rooted. |
| 21:06.37 | damacus | what kind of TV are you talking about? |
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| 21:07.14 | damacus | i came into this thinking you were building a box toc onnect to a TV when i saw a mythtv reference |
| 21:07.14 | Umeaboy | damacus: A Plasma LG-TV that's not officially supported anymore. |
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| 21:07.16 | sney | Umeaboy: hmm, you'd probably want to look at general installing debian on embedded devices, not just televisions |
| 21:07.23 | damacus | not actually installing debian onto a tv device. |
| 21:07.25 | Umeaboy | Nope. Directly into my TV. |
| 21:07.47 | Umeaboy | I have flashed it with LGMOD. |
| 21:07.49 | queso | This bug <http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/765> occurs for me in debian testing using the e17 and claws-mail packages. What should I do to request that it be fixed in debian? |
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| 21:07.53 | damacus | gonna have to find a hackers forum for the tv for that one, way beyond the scope of this channel. |
| 21:08.04 | damacus | my $0.02 is that you're better off just scrapping that whole idea and connecting a box to it |
| 21:08.12 | Umeaboy | damacus: Any useful tip on such channel? |
| 21:08.17 | Umeaboy | #embedded ? |
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| 21:08.33 | sney | #emdebian on irc.oftc.net would be a start |
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| 21:08.46 | damacus | no idea. i'd suggest finding other hobbyists with the same / similar TV that are modding htem |
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| 21:10.28 | Umeaboy | OK. |
| 21:10.32 | Umeaboy | I'll ask there. |
| 21:10.39 | Umeaboy | Thanks. Sorry for bothering you. |
| 21:10.41 | Umeaboy | ;) |
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| 21:18.32 | ws2k3 | how can i start a proces as s different user ? |
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| 21:18.48 | ws2k3 | just su or can i also do with /filename ? |
| 21:18.49 | dondelelcaro | ws2k3: with su or sudo |
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| 21:20.11 | abrotman | ws2k3: look in the man page |
| 21:21.04 | n2diy | I can't find a librecad package for Squeeze, does that mean I'll have to build it from source code? |
| 21:21.36 | ompaul | ,versions librecad |
| 21:21.37 | judd | Package: librecad on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.0.1+nolibs-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.0.2+nolibs-1; wheezy: 1.0.2+nolibs-1; experimental: 2.0.0~beta1+nolibs-1 |
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| 21:22.13 | ompaul | !tell n2diy about backports |
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| 21:23.12 | n2diy | thanks ompaul. |
| 21:23.29 | ompaul | you're welcome |
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| 21:25.22 | Pepote | WWW.JIZZDAY.COM |
| 21:25.22 | Pepote | V |
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| 21:25.30 | rizlah | l0l |
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| 21:25.43 | rizlah | I get /banned/ for less |
| 21:26.00 | nsadmin | yeah, that's a ban case |
| 21:26.18 | rizlah | Sounds like abrot isn't playing president so well today |
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| 21:26.31 | dondelelcaro | folks, please stop discussing trolls. |
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| 21:27.21 | cjdavies | what dhcp client is there on the current live cd? |
| 21:27.25 | rizlah | dhclient |
| 21:27.35 | cjdavies | doesn't seem to be |
| 21:27.55 | nsadmin | look in /sbin and /usr/sbin |
| 21:28.06 | ompaul | cjdavies: you might want to be root |
| 21:28.09 | cjdavies | ah, it's in sbin |
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| 21:28.21 | cjdavies | ah, one can just sudo su |
| 21:28.37 | tom______ | I am trying to get crontab to start a detached tmux session (that I can then attach to over ssh). However, the session seems to be started with sh rather than bash (so all the tmux panes have sh as the shell). |
| 21:28.47 | tom______ | my script is here http://pastebin.com/rHjGRcd4 |
| 21:29.19 | tom______ | and the crontab line is @reboot /home/tom/scripts/session.sh (where that is the path to the script) |
| 21:29.26 | tom______ | any ideas? |
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| 21:29.34 | JCDenton | "We have been unsuccessful with installing the operating system without a swap file. We receive errors when trying to do so. At this point, we have two options. We can either install the operating system with a swap file or we can give you a KVM or IPMI access which will allow you to install the operating system. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please let us know if you have any further questions." |
| 21:29.45 | JCDenton | Apparently from my datacenter, saying they can't install Debian without SWAP..? |
| 21:30.02 | nsadmin | tom_____, is sh good? is it sh that is any part of this? no idea what you want, so, no ideas |
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| 21:30.42 | rizlah | JCDenton: Debian is so ass backwards it probably thinks you still need twice RAM size swap too. |
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| 21:30.48 | rizlah | Doesn't even handle IEC units on install |
| 21:31.27 | rizlah | cjdavies: You should not do sudo su |
| 21:31.30 | rizlah | That is stupid. |
| 21:31.39 | tom______ | nsadmin: sh is not good. If I run my script from the bash prompt, I get a tmux session where the default shell is /bin/bash. If I run it from crontab, the default shell is /bin/sh, which is wrong |
| 21:31.40 | JCDenton | rizlah, Really? o_O. I've never installed Debian myself, I guess Ill just make do with it.. |
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| 21:32.08 | nsadmin | tom, try #!/bin/bash |
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| 21:32.23 | nsadmin | you did say you wrote a script? |
| 21:32.33 | tom______ | that is the first line of my script (which I pastebinned above) |
| 21:32.38 | rizlah | JCDenton: Which version? |
| 21:32.43 | JCDenton | rizlah, Latest |
| 21:32.45 | JCDenton | 64bit |
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| 21:33.14 | rizlah | It shouldn't work like that, though I am not surprised it does. |
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| 21:33.20 | nsadmin | if you run the script apart from cron, does it work? how do you call the script? |
| 21:33.30 | rizlah | The installer is very basic. No one has really bothered to modernize it. |
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| 21:33.38 | sney | JCDenton: the debian installer complains if you don't create a swap partition, but it does let you continue without one |
| 21:33.42 | rizlah | The entire world has moved on, yet Debian is still left with this. |
| 21:33.46 | rizlah | So sad, the OS is quite good |
| 21:34.07 | sney | OS installer technology is pretty basic across the board, really |
| 21:34.20 | scientes | whats wrong with the debian installer? |
| 21:34.22 | ompaul | rizlah: got anything positive to say? |
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| 21:34.32 | zib | For example it's still living in the 1990s |
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| 21:34.36 | zib | I still can't install debian on a dm-raid |
| 21:34.40 | sakax | is having a swap partition something from the stone age now? |
| 21:34.41 | nsadmin | rizlah, when you ponder why you get banned so often, do you listen to yourself when you talk? |
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| 21:34.43 | rizlah | The biggest joke though? They install GNOME 3 under the impression it's a decent desktop environment! huehuehuehue! |
| 21:34.52 | zib | Would be nice to support something which has been around for 10 years :) |
| 21:34.56 | rizlah | I helped |
| 21:34.58 | rizlah | I told him the problem |
| 21:34.59 | zib | (ok maybe 5 :D) |
| 21:35.02 | rizlah | What is wrong with that? |
| 21:35.07 | sney | we have driven clear into troll territory now |
| 21:35.12 | sney | got any support questions, you two? |
| 21:35.13 | ompaul | it's all the additional rubbish |
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| 21:35.21 | rizlah | :C |
| 21:35.21 | zib | :D |
| 21:35.26 | tom______ | nsadmin: from the shell I can call /home/tom/scripts/session.sh and it works fine. Doesn't matter if I am in bash or sh |
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| 21:35.51 | Seryth | babilen: I finished setting it all up, works a charm! Thankyou so much for your help! :) (I'm mang0 by the way!) |
| 21:35.52 | nsadmin | ok, how do you call it from cron? |
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| 21:35.58 | zib | I install debian using a gentoo livecd so I can get dmraid to work ;) |
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| 21:36.10 | tom______ | /home/tom/scripts/session.sh |
| 21:36.11 | rizlah | l0l, I have to manually repartition disks after install |
| 21:36.20 | ompaul | someone shut it up please |
| 21:36.30 | tom______ | sorry, that should have @reboot at the front |
| 21:36.34 | rizlah | ompaul: I responded to zub |
| 21:36.37 | rizlah | *zib |
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| 21:36.43 | tom______ | so @reboot /home/tom/scripts/session.sh (where that is the path to the script) |
| 21:37.11 | sney | zib: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid so when you followed these instructions, and they didn't work, did you file a bug report against debian-installer? and if not, how did you expect anyone to know there was a problem? |
| 21:37.45 | nsadmin | ok, I don't know what the @reboot thing is |
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| 21:38.29 | nsadmin | what happens if you remove that? |
| 21:38.29 | tom______ | That just calls it at reboot. Presumably that is not the point of failure though. I don't understand why cron is not respecting my shebang line |
| 21:38.36 | nsadmin | oic |
| 21:38.40 | ompaul | nsadmin: that at daemon that calls stuff on reboot |
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| 21:39.12 | zib | sney: With that guide it works. We're talking about crappy installers here. |
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| 21:39.30 | nsadmin | so if he removes it, it doesn't run the script when he wants it run |
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| 21:40.19 | sney | zib: the nature of debian is that if the users have some feedback, or a feature request or whatever, they need to let the developers know. just whining about it and taking your business elsewhere solves nothing. |
| 21:40.32 | zib | sney: Not behing to install on something that has been included in every chipset the last 5 years without booting the installer in expert-mode is crappy :) |
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| 21:41.06 | zib | sney: Yes I know. I have realised manytimes that the debian developers live inside a box with old hardware and you need to poke them so they get a climpse of the real world :) |
| 21:41.10 | ompaul | zib: your bug # please? |
| 21:41.11 | sney | except fakeraid is even more crappy and debian does not encourage people to use it. the possibility is there, but really, there are better options in software |
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| 21:41.26 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:41.28 | zib | sney: But it's funny that all other dists seems to be able to do it ;) |
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| 21:41.43 | sney | zib: in closing, file a bug or tolerate your missing feature |
| 21:41.46 | rizlah | The installr on expert mode does the bare minimum for installing. We need like, "really expert" mode |
| 21:41.47 | zib | ompaul: So wait. There's a page explaining that you need to start the installer in expert-mode at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid. That means i need a bugreport? |
| 21:41.58 | Posterdati | please I've got a nasty problem on wheezy with cups + hplip and officejet 4500: it won't print :( |
| 21:42.01 | zib | ompaul: Woudlnt http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid mean its already a known "bug"? |
| 21:42.06 | rizlah | If the next thing to be completely overhauled in Debian 8 isn't the installer, this distro will die. |
| 21:42.40 | zib | I would thinkg, in my perfect world, that if someone in the debian team wrote in the wiki that dmraid instsall is broken. Then i dont need to file a bug report ont it |
| 21:42.42 | ompaul | zib: never had to read it, when I want to use raid I buy rc |
| 21:42.46 | ompaul | controller cards |
| 21:42.46 | sney | rizlah: how about you? bug reports or just irc complaints? #debian is not the bug in the ear of the installer team. http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer contribute, son |
| 21:43.07 | zib | ompaul: Good answer. " Buy something else" :D |
| 21:43.13 | rizlah | sney: I would file a report, but the sun would have burned out by the time someone gets to the end. |
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| 21:43.34 | nsadmin | zib, good catch: "in my perfect world" |
| 21:43.48 | zib | Anyway. Sorry. I did not file a bug report. If i find text saying it's broken on the official debian wiki then i assume the devs know about it. |
| 21:43.55 | zib | But maybe it's filed under "dont care" |
| 21:44.00 | zib | and needs a new bugreport |
| 21:44.03 | sney | you know what they say about assume |
| 21:44.27 | rizlah | zib: File one. At the same time, add the line "USE IEC UNITS", so they understand it's important because capitals. |
| 21:44.30 | zib | hehe well. If there isn't a bugreport after reading this page then it's not worth filing one :) |
| 21:44.49 | rizlah | Debian does no wrong. It is always the user who has the bug. |
| 21:44.49 | nsadmin | that probably doesn't belong in the same report |
| 21:44.54 | sney | fakeraid is a special use case. it's not recommended to use it, period. if you think that's wrong, then please, send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org explaining why |
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| 21:45.11 | rizlah | What is wrong with fakeraid, sney ? |
| 21:45.15 | sney | making noise in #debian will get you nowhere |
| 21:45.23 | nsadmin | pours bugs on rizlah fear factor style! |
| 21:45.32 | rizlah | NAUUUUU |
| 21:46.19 | zib | I admit fakeraid is crap. I'm just pissed that the installer allows you to proceed to the very end of the install (grub) before failing :D |
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| 21:46.23 | sney | no redundancy. no hardware parity! it's an array of inexpensive disks, sure, but redundant? all it does is staple some drives together into device names and leave everything else up to the OS |
| 21:46.47 | zib | sney: It's better than no raid at all :) |
| 21:46.53 | sney | use md |
| 21:46.58 | nsadmin | is it? |
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| 21:47.22 | zib | sney: The problem with md is that it does not support TRIM but raid through DM works with TRIM. |
| 21:47.35 | zib | That's the only reason i considered it. |
| 21:47.39 | zib | and need it. |
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| 21:47.56 | sney | ah. did you file a bug to the linux kernel asking for that feature? |
| 21:48.07 | rizlah | He filed a bug directly to linus himself. |
| 21:48.19 | rizlah | Directly. |
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| 21:48.46 | zib | sney: I didn't need to. It's on their todo list. |
| 21:48.53 | sney | I will never understand this compulsion to whine about missing features but do nothing to correct it |
| 21:49.04 | zib | I don't whine about missing features |
| 21:49.11 | rizlah | They so lazy they don't bother fixing anything. Ain' nobody got time for dat. |
| 21:49.14 | tom______ | fwiw, I fixed my thing. apparently you can specify a default shell for tmux. I am still confused as to why crontab wasn't respecting the shell specified in my script though. |
| 21:49.20 | sney | anyway, do you guys have a support question? #debian is for support. if you want to keep spitballing about raid we can go to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:49.24 | zib | sney: I whined about that someone created that http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid but never fixed the problem. |
| 21:49.42 | sney | it's a wiki. that was probably created by a regular user, like you, or me |
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| 21:50.20 | nsadmin | if it's a WIKI, maybe you can add something ON the wiki |
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| 21:50.46 | sney | anyway enough of this noise. #debian-offtopic please. |
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| 21:53.47 | zib | sney: Just one more thing :) There is bugreports about this from 2008. So maybe maybe..someone will fix it soon |
| 21:54.26 | nsadmin | also consider the upstream... maybe upstream is active, maybe not... you should find out |
| 21:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | I would say that if the bugreports are all from 2008 nobody really cares. |
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| 22:21.36 | arthurmaciel | My wireless (2.4GHz) keyboard and mouse were not working properly. I bought a new pair of them and it presents the same behaviour: only works if really close to the usb receiver. On windows works perfectly from any distance. |
| 22:21.50 | arthurmaciel | Does anyone know how to make it work please? |
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| 22:22.41 | epsilon | shouldn't such devices work os-independent? |
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| 22:23.35 | hahnp | some more technical details about the the keyboard/mouse |
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| 22:23.56 | arthurmaciel | epsilon: I thought yes, but it is incredible: when I go to windows I can be far away from the receiver and the output will be really fine, but on linux... I'm typing with the receiver literaly in front of the keyboard. |
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| 22:26.32 | arthurmaciel | hahnp: http://paste.debian.net/209025/ |
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| 22:30.20 | arthurmaciel | hahnp: any idea? |
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| 22:31.58 | Guest51608 | I am using Debian Wheezy and have two VGA cards: imbedded ati radeon and added nvidia card. I would like to set up four monitors. the ati radeon works fine, nvidia |
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| 22:32.49 | Guest51608 | is not working. What can I install from Synaptic for the Nvidia card to work? |
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| 22:40.41 | jaequery | how can i check if i may have some file/disk corruption? |
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| 22:41.41 | sney | jaequery: fsck |
| 22:41.56 | jaequery | i just wanna check |
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| 22:42.03 | jaequery | while my server is up and running |
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| 22:48.57 | smj | Does apt-get install --reinstall clear the left-over configuration files? I'd like to get a "fresh" install after several dist-upgrades |
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| 22:49.15 | somiaj | smj: no. /msg dpkg conf-miss |
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| 22:49.35 | somiaj | smj: by default apt assumes if you modified/deleted a config file you wanted it that way |
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| 22:49.40 | dondelelcaro | smj: you'll be prompted if the configuration files differ, and you'll also see the files in foo.dpkg-new |
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| 22:50.03 | somiaj | smj: sorry it is /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:50.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: conf-miss is <reply> see confmiss |
| 22:50.19 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 22:50.21 | iuri | I am looking on the web what would be the recommended hard disk size for a proxy server? |
| 22:50.38 | dondelelcaro | iuri: depends on what you're proxying |
| 22:50.58 | iuri | websites |
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| 22:51.34 | dondelelcaro | iuri: and how many users, etc. Unless you've got a ton of users, you probably can't buy a hard drive that is small enough to really be limiting. |
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| 22:53.41 | iuri | 6000 users |
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| 22:53.53 | iuri | it's not much |
| 22:54.00 | dondelelcaro | uh... 6k users is quite a bit |
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| 22:54.14 | iuri | well, i'd rather to estimate it to a scalable situation |
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| 22:54.31 | dondelelcaro | iuri: how fast is the uplink? |
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| 22:56.50 | rysiek|pl | hi there |
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| 22:57.13 | rysiek|pl | I am trying to use dnsmasq as a DNS/DHCP server in an environment with several virtual machines |
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| 22:57.32 | iuri | dondelelcaro, around 500kb/s |
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| 22:57.53 | Somelauw | Does anyone else have the problem that in terminals the text often gets messed up? |
| 22:57.55 | rysiek|pl | I set-up some dhcp-host stanzas, but while the DNS part works nicely with them when the vms are running, it fails when they are down |
| 22:58.12 | iuri | precisely, it stabilizes at 640kbs |
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| 22:58.15 | Dan39 | im trying to send file with scp to remove box on network, shitty cpu on box, so i was trying arcfour cipher, but the remote box doesnt have it :( |
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| 22:58.23 | Dan39 | how do i add ciphers to ssh? :| |
| 22:58.23 | iuri | dondelelcaro, precisely, it stabilizes at 640kb/s |
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| 22:58.33 | iuri | dondelelcaro, what do you think? |
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| 22:59.08 | dondelelcaro | iuri: well, then you can do the math pretty easily; 640kb/s*2days is only 110G. |
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| 22:59.39 | iuri | dondelelcaro, why 2 days? |
| 22:59.40 | dondelelcaro | iuri: and you probably won't even manage to use a tenth of that. |
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| 23:00.02 | iuri | lol, I have thought about 8GB |
| 23:00.06 | iuri | would be enough |
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| 23:00.14 | dondelelcaro | yes, it probably will be. |
| 23:00.25 | iuri | dondelelcaro, but why 2 day? |
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| 23:00.38 | iuri | dondelelcaro, why did you mentioned 2 days? |
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| 23:01.06 | dondelelcaro | iuri: it's pretty rare to be able to cache anything for much longer than that. |
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| 23:01.27 | iuri | dondelelcaro, hmmm |
| 23:01.28 | iuri | I see |
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| 23:02.31 | cjdavies | any obvious reason why on debian live cd after installing sshd, setting password auth to yes I get connection refused from other machines & localhost? |
| 23:02.36 | cjdavies | sshd is running obviously |
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| 23:03.26 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: iptables rules? sshd running on a different port? |
| 23:03.58 | cjdavies | dondelelcaro: does the debian live have iptables rules set up by default? |
| 23:04.00 | cjdavies | port is 22 |
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| 23:04.30 | cjdavies | I've literally only booted the live image, installed openssh-server & client, changed the conf to allow password & then started the daemon |
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| 23:05.41 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: I don't know; I don't use the live disks. |
| 23:05.51 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: iptables -L -n; will tell you, though. |
| 23:06.17 | cjdavies | just read iptables -h & tried that, no rules |
| 23:06.30 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: what does netstat -plunt; tell you? |
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| 23:07.19 | cjdavies | dondelelcaro: 2614/dhclient seems to be the only thing |
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| 23:07.42 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: then sshd isn't actually running, or isn't listening on any port. |
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| 23:08.00 | cjdavies | odd, the daemon starts fine & the conf specifies port 22 |
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| 23:08.39 | dondelelcaro | Dan39: install a newer version of sshd on the remote machine. Not sure why you'd bother though. |
| 23:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Dan39: if you need faster file transfers, use an unencrypted channel. |
| 23:09.02 | Dan39 | like? |
| 23:09.10 | epsilon | cjdavies: netstat -aptn | grep 22 |
| 23:09.26 | Dan39 | just found out its not openssh on the server haha, that must be why |
| 23:09.31 | Dan39 | dropbear |
| 23:09.39 | iuri | dondelelcaro, Thanks for the advices |
| 23:09.39 | dondelelcaro | Dan39: yeah, that'd do it |
| 23:09.41 | Dan39 | never heard of it, seems to be some small ssh server |
| 23:09.45 | cjdavies | epsilon: nothing :( |
| 23:10.02 | dondelelcaro | Dan39: it's typically used on embedded devices like routers and similar |
| 23:10.04 | epsilon | start sshd again and read syslog |
| 23:10.11 | Dan39 | this is raspberry pi |
| 23:10.11 | Dan39 | :P |
| 23:10.16 | cjdavies | this makes no sense, I've never had to do anything more than install openssh, check the conf & start it |
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| 23:11.34 | smj | My plan is "dpkg --get-selections >myselections && dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --force-confmiss --set-selections <myselections" Do I need to have all the .debs already downloaded? |
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| 23:12.25 | smj | if so, how do I make sure I have them? |
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| 23:16.22 | dondelelcaro | cjdavies: yeah, that's usually how it works. Not sure what in particular is going on there, but the logs will help you |
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| 23:18.07 | mmnicolas | Hello, I'd like to try and help fixing bug #690535, which has been reported a month ago but is apparently acknowledged by some people outside debian two years ago (http://charlesleaver.com/tag/tftpd-hpa/), what do you guys think about this ? Should be an easy fix right ? |
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| 23:19.18 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: sounds reasonanble |
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| 23:37.12 | mmnicolas | not a very good start, I was looking for something like an upstream bug tracker.. only found this: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/network/tftp/ |
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| 23:38.45 | mmnicolas | this is tftpd-hpa's home page |
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| 23:41.09 | nsadmin | upstream bug trackers usually cover a single project |
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| 23:46.17 | mmnicolas | isn't tftpd-hpa a single project ? |
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