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| 00:27.57 | mmnicolas | ahh, found out it's actually a duplicate of #544089, already fixed in testing |
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| 00:36.45 | kieppie | howdy.I'd like to modify my live/install USB media to inject my apt proxy prior to the apt-get process |
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| 00:44.02 | nsadmin | doesn't it ask for the proxy? just type it in |
| 00:45.00 | kieppie | nsadmin - no; it's a custom installer (openstack/rackspace). I just want to point it in the right direction (my proxy) before it starts downloading current updates |
| 00:45.38 | herrkey | That's no small detail... |
| 00:45.41 | kieppie | I want to modify the existing installer & not create a new one as most of the docco's seem to point to |
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| 00:46.20 | kieppie | if I can find some script that runs early in the post-boot process, then I can mod it to make the needed changes |
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| 00:48.23 | kieppie | herrkey - I've encountered a similar need in the past doing other work |
| 00:48.38 | nsadmin | when you run the installer, do you interact with it? |
| 00:48.46 | kieppie | not really, no |
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| 00:48.51 | nsadmin | can you? |
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| 00:49.21 | kieppie | I can switch TTY, I guess & then mod it from there. |
| 00:49.49 | kieppie | brb |
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| 00:52.07 | nsadmin | anyway, what I was thinking was that if you could run the installer interactively (like with a serial console), then you can just install and set it up manually |
| 00:52.44 | nsadmin | when it comes time to set up the mirror, it will ask for proxy info |
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| 01:05.18 | fr0ggie | Help please. I recently installed squeeze on my toughbook cf-51 and i cannot get sound to come out the speakers. Everything seems OK with alsa, but simply no output. Checked mixer of course, already |
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| 01:09.34 | brandonj | has anybody managed to get steam for linuxed installed and running? I managed to get it mostly working, but I'm having problems updating it |
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| 01:10.50 | madsara | Hey, how do I configure /etc/network/interfaces for an unnumbered interface? |
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| 01:12.27 | dondelelcaro | madsara: not sure what you mean by an unnumbered interface |
| 01:12.43 | madsara | Well, without an IP address. |
| 01:12.48 | madsara | Just bring the interface up. |
| 01:13.11 | madsara | I think I can do it manual, with up ifconfig $IFACE 0.0.0.0 up |
| 01:13.25 | dondelelcaro | madsara: use a manual, and then just up ip link set $IFACE up |
| 01:13.38 | madsara | Ok. |
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| 01:45.33 | nsadmin | trying to figure out how to get a tla category into a git repo |
| 01:46.30 | simonlnu | category... isn't that like a branch? |
| 01:46.56 | nsadmin | I think yes, a tla category is like a git branch |
| 01:47.35 | nsadmin | well not exactly, maybe a tla category is more akin to a git repo |
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| 01:50.05 | nsadmin | I say that because when I was using tla, I thought of categories as projects, and git repos as projects |
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| 02:18.24 | mikehaas763 | Hello, I created a second network adapter in Virtualbox for a debian 6 guest OS. Even after adding the config to /etc/network/interfaces I still do not have an eth1. Does anyone know why eth1 isn't showing up in ifconfig? |
| 02:18.51 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: does it show up in ip link; ? |
| 02:19.01 | converge | does someone uses nagios here? I dont know if I install nagios3 or nagios-client + nagios-server |
| 02:19.37 | mikehaas763 | dondelelcaro, I'm not familiar with ip link |
| 02:20.00 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: ip is a command. ifconfig -a; will also do a similar thing for you |
| 02:20.30 | mikehaas763 | ah I see, I just ran it and see that there is an eth2, no eth1 maybe that is the problem |
| 02:21.17 | babilen | !tell mikehaas763 -about 70 |
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| 02:21.38 | mikehaas763 | 70 in rules.d? |
| 02:22.42 | nsadmin | mikehaas763, it's a factoid which was just msged to you |
| 02:22.51 | mikehaas763 | ah, I see the tab now |
| 02:23.17 | babilen | mikehaas763: Read the factoid our bot (dpkg) just sent you in a private message. It mentions /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and informs you that the NIC → interface mapping is defined there. |
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| 02:24.46 | mikehaas763 | babilen, If I only have 2 network adapters defined in Virtualbox, is the reason that there is 3 mappings in .70-persistent-net.rules because it may be seeing my HOST adapter as well? |
| 02:26.05 | somiaj | mikehaas763: did a mac address change at any time during the installation of that machine/vm? |
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| 02:26.34 | babilen | That ^^^ |
| 02:26.49 | mikehaas763 | somiaj, I didn't explicitly change a mac address but being that I'm using vagrant to manage this VM it's possible Vagrant did something |
| 02:26.50 | babilen | (or it has seen a NIC with a different MAC in the interim) |
| 02:27.27 | somiaj | did you copy the VM from a live install and one of the mac address is sitting in there from that? |
| 02:27.52 | somiaj | either way sometime that mac address was seen and it was given its own rule to ensure it got the same interface if it was ever seen again (such as a usb dongle) |
| 02:28.07 | mikehaas763 | actually I got it as what Vagrant calls a base box from vagrantbox.es so maybe there was one sitting in there.. that makes sense |
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| 02:30.45 | somiaj | hopefully they can be trusted |
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| 02:31.22 | ledoktre | say, does anyone know how to "see" the <title> of a webpage open in firefox from a bash script? |
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| 02:32.29 | mikehaas763 | ya it's something that could be risky but they are only used in a dev environment |
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| 02:32.47 | MrFrood | ledoktre: cant you get it from the window title? |
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| 02:33.11 | ledoktre | MrFrood: Yes, I can see what I want there |
| 02:33.47 | MrFrood | I do something similar to get the now playing info displayed in conky from spotify |
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| 02:37.24 | ledoktre | MrFrood: How are you transferring the title info to conky? (also gonna need to check out spotify -- using pandora to listen right now) |
| 02:39.06 | MrFrood | ledoktre: play around with "xwininfo -root -children" grep and sed/awk |
| 02:39.40 | ledoktre | MrFrood: thanks, will do (do you ever run into anything with it not being the active tab in firefox?) |
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| 02:40.29 | ledoktre | MrFrood: nevermind I think - it seems to have it all in there :-) thanks again |
| 02:40.59 | MrFrood | np |
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| 02:49.46 | ledoktre | MrFrood: Do you have to change the "id" of the window each time you fire it up, or does that seem to stay pretty constant? I don't see much else I can grab the title info by as it does not say "Pandora" or anything in the title |
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| 02:54.07 | MrFrood | ledoktre: no idea, as I said I use it with spotif not iceweasel so I imagine my greping and seding is a lot simpler than yours is going to be |
| 02:54.23 | MrFrood | *spotify |
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| 02:55.25 | ledoktre | MrFrood: No problem. Its not the end of the world, I'll figure that out. Just thought I'd ask :-) So whats the gig with Spotify? Find and listen to any musc, pay a premium to get higher quality? |
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| 02:56.19 | MrFrood | basically, also mobile app and more content |
| 02:57.21 | MrFrood | but veering into offtopic there :| |
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| 02:57.50 | ledoktre | no prob. thanks for the tips - it got me on the right track |
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| 02:58.02 | MrFrood | :) |
| 02:58.23 | cnz | what's the best us west coast mirrior to use for debian updates |
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| 02:59.54 | d1gital | where can I find the list of configure options used in debian's PHP build? |
| 03:00.01 | abrotman | cnz: http.debian.net |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | !tell d1gital about debian/rules |
| 03:00.10 | haylo | cnz: use netselect-apt to figure out the best debian mirror nearby |
| 03:00.16 | MrFrood | !tell cnz about apt-spy |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | neither apt-spy nor netselect-apt use a 'nearby' mirror .. they use the fastest they can find |
| 03:00.40 | simonlnu | http.debian.net ... |
| 03:00.47 | simonlnu | !http.debian.net |
| 03:00.47 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | cnz: use http.debian.net |
| 03:00.55 | cnz | thanks guys :) |
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| 03:04.34 | d1gital | thanks, abrotman =) |
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| 03:07.37 | cnz | how do you disable touchpad on laptops in debian? |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | i disabled mine in the bios |
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| 03:14.31 | cnz | which nvidia driver do you guys recommand using? |
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| 03:14.51 | spaceace85 | Hi guys. I've just built a server with Debian on an SSD drive. Should I put my /var/log onto my platter drive instead? |
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| 03:16.39 | abrotman | cnz: that depends on your card and version of Debian |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | spaceace85: depends how much you're logging |
| 03:17.06 | cnz | abrotman, gtx 660M debian wheezy beta3 |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | spaceace85: if you're logging 500GB a day, probably eh? :) |
| 03:17.16 | abrotman | cnz: isn't that pretty old? |
| 03:17.16 | spaceace85 | Noted :) |
| 03:17.22 | cnz | lol no |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | spaceace85: a remote syslog might be even better |
| 03:17.33 | mmnicolas | spaceace85: personnaly I keep the whole var and home on platters, I very rarely write on that ssd |
| 03:17.35 | cnz | it's actually fairly new |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | cnz: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 03:19.26 | mmnicolas | mainly because writing on it is very slow (some old flash on ide) |
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| 03:23.45 | arinov | hi |
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| 03:24.42 | arinov | i have old p3 with debian lenny, how can i enable framebuffer here to maximize console resolution? |
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| 03:29.55 | cnz | I always thought nvidia was always the better choice for video card for debian, is that incorrect? |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | cnz: depends on the card, that's why you read the wiki page |
| 03:30.31 | cnz | I have been the wiki page |
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| 03:30.54 | cnz | ran the script too it says to run and it says my card isn't supported by any version. |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | so either a) the script is out of date b) that's really true |
| 03:31.25 | abrotman | you can just try the instructions for the binary nonsense |
| 03:31.25 | cnz | im going with script is out of date |
| 03:31.48 | cnz | well I installed nvidia-glx anyways |
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| 03:34.01 | nsadmin | , find bin/git-archimport |
| 03:34.08 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 03:43.58 | cnz | thanks abrotman, got it working |
| 03:44.08 | cnz | and gnome 3 loaded, not sure if I like gnome 3 or not |
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| 03:45.06 | abrotman | cnz: i like it .. many that don't try XFCE instead |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | cnz: i wasn't crazy about it at first .. but i've grown to quite like it |
| 03:45.33 | cnz | I like the graphics look so far if that makes sense |
| 03:45.46 | voldial | is there something better than logrotate out there? logrotate is a pain. the man page almost admits it with "--force" |
| 03:45.47 | cnz | it looks more up to date than others do |
| 03:45.58 | nsadmin | ,v git-core |
| 03:46.00 | judd | Package: git-core on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1+b1~volatile1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.10.4-1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1; sid: 1:1.7.10.4-2; experimental: 1:1.8.0-1 |
| 03:46.05 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | voldial: eh, it works pretty well IMO |
| 03:46.40 | cnz | abrotman, what terminal do you use? |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | the gnome-terminal |
| 03:49.14 | cnz | so far im liking gnome3 |
| 03:49.26 | cnz | doesn't look so 98ish lol if that makes sense |
| 03:49.29 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:50.02 | simonlnu | 98ish? |
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| 03:50.24 | abrotman | Win98 i think he means |
| 03:51.47 | cnz | abrotman, you said you disable the touchpad by bios right? |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | cnz: i have a thinkpad, yes |
| 03:52.27 | cnz | would it be labled touchpad or would internal pointing device be it? |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | cnz: i haven't been in there to look since day1 .. see what the options are |
| 03:52.59 | cnz | yeah that's what im doing now |
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| 03:53.11 | cnz | yeah that's it |
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| 03:53.22 | cnz | when I highlight it, it says enable/disable internal touchpad |
| 03:54.01 | abrotman | needs to buy some more trackpoints |
| 03:54.48 | zykotick9 | when using http.debian.net as my mirror for squeeze, i'm getting Err 302 Moved Temporarily. i switched to my nearest mirror, located in my same city, and don't get the 302 error. how can i see what mirror http.debian.net is using? |
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| 03:55.38 | abrotman | zykotick9: doesn't show an IP ? |
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| 03:56.54 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i see "Err http://http.debian.net squeeze/main amd64 Packages" and on the next line " 302 Moved Temporarily" during an "aptitude update" |
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| 03:57.53 | zykotick9 | abrotman: switching source.list to either ftp.ca.debian.org OR ftp3.nrc.ca (my city) resolves issue. |
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| 03:59.56 | cnz | abrotman, thanks for the help :) |
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| 04:01.58 | simonlnu | i very much doubt it, but possibly squeeze's apt doesn't support 302 |
| 04:02.19 | simonlnu | TEMPORARY_REDIRECT |
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| 04:04.21 | zykotick9 | simonlnu: assuming you are correct, just don't use http.debian.net? |
| 04:05.09 | zykotick9 | simonlnu: seems rather unplausable that http.debian.net wouldn't support stable... |
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| 04:05.17 | sney | cdn.debian.net should work fine on squeeze. http.debian.net normally does as well though |
| 04:05.34 | sney | it's probably just some transient silliness |
| 04:06.30 | zykotick9 | sney: cdn does work... |
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| 04:08.29 | scwizard | eww :( the version of vi included with debian wheezy doesn't have a status thingy at the bottom that lets me know if I'm in isnert mode or not |
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| 04:08.57 | scwizard | also the down arrow makes a B instead of moving the cursor in insert mode |
| 04:08.57 | nachos | Hi, how do you reinstall grub2 on wheezy ( efi x86_x64 ) |
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| 04:09.11 | sney | scwizard: find a vimrc you like, then? |
| 04:09.18 | sney | !tell nachos about fixmbr |
| 04:09.25 | zykotick9 | scwizard: install vim. nvi if you want a "light-vim" |
| 04:09.32 | scwizard | well tbh I use emacs |
| 04:09.47 | scwizard | but when I'm using vim, it's because I'm dealing with a system that doesn't ahve the things I like configured |
| 04:10.00 | nachos | ˜is that for efi sney |
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| 04:10.18 | gnarface | scwizard: the difference is probably that debian doesn't distribute a tweaked config like ubuntu/arch/mandriva and merely gives you defaults. |
| 04:10.43 | gnarface | scwizard: it probably has little to nothing to do with the version of vim itself |
| 04:10.50 | scwizard | fair point |
| 04:10.53 | zykotick9 | gnarface: even ubuntu ships with vim-tiny by default. |
| 04:11.01 | sney | nachos: yep, I just used it earlier this week, same amd64 wheezy efi setup |
| 04:11.21 | gnarface | zykotick9: i'm not even sure what the distinction is there. i'm also a dirty emacs user. |
| 04:11.23 | sney | nachos: although booting the installer in rescue mode is a little more straightforward than the mount kludge that factoid gives you |
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| 04:12.06 | gnarface | but incidentally i also have to take my local emacs config with me to every new box |
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| 04:12.18 | zykotick9 | gnarface: vim-tiny is a posix vi, but that's about it. i've never really used RMS's editor myself, i know it's uber powerful/extensible, but i learned vi - and stuck with it. |
| 04:12.30 | scwizard | neato cfengine has no deps in a pretty bare install |
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| 04:12.38 | scwizard | *cfengine3 |
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| 04:13.11 | gnarface | zykotick9: so vim is no longer posix by default? interesting... |
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| 04:13.29 | zykotick9 | gnarface: vi is posix. vim is improved ;) |
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| 04:18.39 | zykotick9 | gnarface: re scwizard's arrow key (or backspace) issue, it's very much vim-tiny vs vim (full) related. install vim and those keys will all work, by default when "vi" is run. as the default "vi" will change to vim. |
| 04:19.13 | nachos | that's sney |
| 04:19.37 | sney | what's me? |
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| 04:23.03 | gnarface | hmm. zykotick9 but isn't the difference in functionality in that particular case still merely a difference in the configurable default behavior of the arrow keys? |
| 04:23.30 | gnarface | thought it had something to do with x86 vs solaris key codes |
| 04:23.51 | zykotick9 | <slightly OT> i hear chatter in #ubuntu, that aptitude now supports multi-arch in there newest release. does that mean aptitude will exist in wheezy 64bit? |
| 04:24.20 | gnarface | why wouldn't it? doesn't it already exist in squeeze 64-bit...? |
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| 04:24.21 | zykotick9 | gnarface: perhaps. but just installing vim is SO much easier. you're probably right. |
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| 04:24.35 | zykotick9 | gnarface: squeeze isn't multi-arch |
| 04:25.02 | gnarface | that's true, but its got aptitude, i'm pretty sure |
| 04:25.06 | sney | wheezy 64-bit has multiarch-aware everything |
| 04:25.15 | sney | it's a release goal for debian 7 |
| 04:25.18 | zykotick9 | sney: including aptitude? |
| 04:25.20 | sney | yes |
| 04:25.26 | zykotick9 | wow. cool. |
| 04:25.29 | gnarface | and for what its worth i did backport multi-arch to squeeze once... it weren't pretty but i managed to compile a 64-bit stud |
| 04:26.52 | gnarface | suspects nvidia binary drivers will still have broken multi-arch support even after debian 7 releases |
| 04:27.08 | zykotick9 | considering the lack of attention aptitude has had, i really didn't think it was going to make it to wheezy. glad it did, i still don't know an equivalant of "aptitude safe-upgrade" using apt-get. |
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| 04:28.20 | sney | i use aptitude almost exclusively and had zero trouble installing, for instance, wine:i386 |
| 04:29.54 | gnarface | i only use it in desperation when my sid system gets hosed badly |
| 04:30.01 | gnarface | sometimes it can figure shit out |
| 04:31.03 | zykotick9 | gnarface: the 1st time i replied "n" to aptitude, and the next option worked. i was hooked |
| 04:31.07 | gnarface | my general understanding with apt-get is that upgrade upgrades already installed packages and dist-upgrade will go one step further and UNINSTALL stuff you specifically requested to be installed prior, if its necessary to clear a dependency blockage for some newer software. i'm not sure how either of those are distinct from aptitude's "safe-upgrade" |
| 04:31.38 | zykotick9 | gnarface: dist-upgrade also installs new package versions |
| 04:31.59 | gnarface | ah yea it'll do a major version increment, where as upgrade will not, huh? |
| 04:32.10 | zykotick9 | yup |
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| 04:35.57 | codygman | I'm planning on trying steam with debian. Should I install squeeze+backports or just debian testing for the best/easiest experience? |
| 04:37.13 | zykotick9 | codygman: (if you are using stable) you're going to run into an issue, really fast |
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| 04:38.15 | codygman | zykotick9: I figured. I mean isn't there any easy way to have a sort of playground for "gaming stuff" with updated libraries? Then let them read off a seperate LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 04:38.54 | zykotick9 | codygman: one of the steam requirement is a low level library of some sort (sorry i forget the name, but it's key) |
| 04:39.00 | Lesterwood | sorry ill do this though |
| 04:39.23 | codygman | zykotic9: libgdk-pixbuf |
| 04:39.42 | zykotick9 | codygman: not that. use TAB to nick completion. |
| 04:40.09 | codygman | I'm thinking I'll download wheezy... and I usually do... just typed stuff then hit home... tab didn't work etc. |
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| 04:43.29 | gnarface | codygman: you could try it in a chroot first... |
| 04:43.47 | gnarface | codygman: (on a squeeze system) |
| 04:44.02 | gnarface | the squeeze system might need a backports kernel to pull it off though |
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| 04:46.56 | zykotick9 | gnarface: someone was trying steam the other day, and i remember teh answer as "not currently possible" for some package reasoning... i could certainly be wrong. |
| 04:47.02 | codygman | gnarface: I'm not familiar with chroot really, any tutorials/docs to get me up to speed you could recommend? |
| 04:47.23 | Lesterwood | _aeris_ _br_ _Brett_ _bt _jesse_ _jmp_ _KaszpiR_ _marix _Maru_ _Techie_-_AFK_ _tremo a111 a1|away a7x abramart abrotman abyxcos aca20031 AceError adam8157 adb AdmV0rl02 AFernandez_ afx ag4ve ageis agi AGoodName Aha2Y ahaerpfer AimHere aimka aindilis ajedwards ajikeshi__ akcx1 Alam_Squeeze Albastos|off AlcariTheMad alee Alenah AlertEye alexanderte AlexHjelm alextreme alfplayer alfred algirdas allblack allorder Almtesh alta althalus al |
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| 04:47.30 | Lesterwood | thaser alusion Ambagasdowa Aminzai anapivirtua andatche AngelDeath anigma AntiSpamMeta Anubisss Apeiron` apokatastasis aPpYe apt ApTek aravind architekt Archtivity Arconiaprime Ard1t Argafal Arieh arinov arnoldB Arrowmaster asakura aschro Atlas average_drifter averell avu aypea[3] Azbruh Aztec Azuria_ babilen badiane bal0on bambee bapa BarthezZ bastidrazor batrick bazhang bbd beardy belak Belial` ben1066 benf Bercik bersace_olfeo bfi |
| 04:47.32 | a111 | fuck off Lesterwood |
| 04:47.34 | ageis | what Lesterwood |
| 04:47.35 | Lesterwood | g bfit bier bier_ BiGBOi bionix bipolar Bish bitHipy bjelleklang bkraptor_ bla blaamann blackest_mamba blackness blast_hardcheese BlastHardcheese blip2 blubberdiblub blue bluesceada blueyed bnk Bogus8 bolt BotaniCar|2 boudiccas bps brandonj bregma brian98 brolin_empey brong Bry8Star Bry8Star{EB Bryanstein brycec BtbN BTG_Delta bullgard4 burek burn bvs bwana147 bwf bylzz bzrk caboche cadeskywalker Caelum caf cafuego calbasi cali canto |
| 04:47.35 | a111 | fucking autistic faggot |
| 04:47.40 | Lesterwood | ma canvon capri carif Carnophage casheew catsup cbmuser cbobo ceil Celelibi Cerise cgar chaiz_ chalcedony ChanServ chattr chemist chemistrydioxide chmurifree choonming__ Chousuke ChrisH chudler cian1500ww ciluu cire CissWit civillian classix clopez cm13g09 cmbrnt cnz codepal codygman CoilDomain colo-work combataircraft Commander1024 companion comradekingu contempt cookie1980 cool_code copec Corey corretico CosmicB CowboyNeal Coweater |
| 04:47.42 | ageis | fuck him |
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| 04:47.45 | Lesterwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.50 | Lesterwood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.57 | Lesterwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.58 | Dan39 | beautiful |
| 04:48.02 | gnarface | !ops Lesterwood flooding/ garbage |
| 04:48.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: Lesterwood flooding/ garbage |
| 04:48.02 | Lesterwood | rsure fignew finkata firecode firztspawn fishsponge fjfalcon FlatBaroque fleeky Fli-c flypiper fnmueller folivora foobArrr formorer fr0ggie frankie frdmn freaky[t] fredsted freespace frikinz froggyman fubbi Furai fysics g` gabedain gabesubdo GabrieleV Gallomimia gamer1990 gardar garden garo gartenstuhl gcmalloc Genesis2001 genius` gentgeen__ georgehank gergnz gernot Getty GHAI ghenry GhostInTheShell ghoti gianlucadv giri giri1 giricz |
| 04:48.07 | Lesterwood | 81 Gm4n gmarseliss gnarface gniourf_gniourf gnugr GNU\colossus Goggy googlah GorillaPatch Gottaname1 Granis gravity graytron greenServer Greyscale grim76__ grinsekatze grothendieck Guest19362 Guest19703 Guest45218 Guest59449 Guest90383 gunkaaa Gurty hagbard_celine HardDisk_WP Harpoon harrison HarryS Harzilein hasp haylo hays HazardX HeavyMetal heinrich5991 HelenB_ Helldesk hendrikz henux heoa_ heroxbd HeXiLeD hi9909099 hid3 hipodilsk |
| 04:48.09 | a111 | Lesterwood, im going to kickban u so fucking hard next time i see u on rizon |
| 04:48.10 | Rusty1 | !ops |
| 04:48.10 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 04:48.12 | Lesterwood | i hnsz2002 hoarycripple holmgren homes hoses hrvojem Husar Hydroxide ia Iamonthissong ianpreston IdleOne idoru igno Iiiak ikla ikonia imolit imunsie in2tactics ineiros inf_l00p infernix initself innociv__ internat Internet13 invariant io_jp ircnode0 Iridos ironmunk Iruoy Ishaq ispireme iter itsrachelfish ivan`` ix jaaso_ jacobw jaequery jahman jannic Janusz1 jargon JarJarBinks jasonwert javier1 jayne jbb jcpham Jdbye Jdbye|Laptop jeh |
| 04:48.17 | Lesterwood | an jelly jelly-home JengYiC jeremydei jesselang jham Jhlorn jhulst jhutchins_wk Jikan jimcooncat JimmyGulp jirka_on_d jkyle jllo Joah joar JodaZ joeDeuce joeytwiddle john3 JohnDoh johskar joltcan jonsen_ Jordan_U joschi josen JoshuaP jparkton jpinx-trapper JPO JPT jr99 jrm-rnl jsec JStoker jthomas__ jtrucks judd Jurkki justin_ Juze JyZyXEL k-man k1ng4400 K1rk k4tfish Kaede KaiSforza kakashi_ kanzure karihre karlpinc karsten Kaskoo ka |
| 04:48.19 | dthree | omg! |
| 04:48.22 | Lesterwood | vakava kbar KBme keetonh1 keith4_ kermit kesroesweyth khem_ kichawa kiddesr kiddy56842 kieppie killfoo kimico kinglet kingsley kInOzAwA___ KiSM kitai kli0rf Knaldgas knoch Konomi korhojoa koshie kr0n^ Krabbe Krigsforbryter krion krisfremen krux ksk KsM kuip kunwon1 l0p3n L0rdShrek__ lahwran laidback_01 laite langkid1 lantizia LarsFronius Lasse- laumars Launch_Director lautzu lcafiero Lesterwood levi501d linduxed lipiec LittleCreature |
| 04:48.29 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:48.30 | Lesterwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.30 | EasyAsPie | omg |
| 04:48.31 | KaiSforza | ... |
| 04:48.32 | ered | !ops name spam |
| 04:48.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ered complains about: name spam |
| 04:48.33 | dthree | please somebody ban the retard noob |
| 04:48.34 | Lesterwood | nger_bird mete mgco3 mh_le mhall119 mhi michaelni mick_laptop micke micols MikeH mikul milligan Milos milosn minsa MissionCritical mjung MmikeDOMA mmnicolas mn_l mnaser mns mociyl MoDaX moffe Mogget mojo-jojo MoMo Moredread moreira morphis Morrolan mortalius_ mossman MoTec Mp5shooter mpkossen mquin mr007x mr0wl Mr_Queue_ mrfoobar- MrFrood mrhanky mrmist mrrothhcloud__ mrtnt msx mtrd`w mullein musca mwargh Myrtti Mysterytrain mz|` n2d |
| 04:48.39 | Lesterwood | eep n2diy_ N3RG4L Nach0z nachos nanoha-sama nate_H nathanhi Natureshadow NChief NcW neciO necronian neersighted negge Neodyme neoice netj netrom nevyn nhandler nick_h nicoparker niftylettuce Nik05 Nik05_ niklaswe NiLon nim_ NimeshNeema njan nkuttler nmschulte no`x noahfx noahfx_ NoNaMeNo nopf nronksr nrosvall nru nsadmin nse ntwrk_keith nutron nvz nyuszika7h oberling obli-AWAY odin_ ohcibi Olipro OllieN on1ald ondrejk Onixs Ontology |
| 04:48.42 | DaveR | how obnoxious |
| 04:48.44 | Lesterwood | Ool Optic Orbitrix Orbixx Orphis osfd oskie Ottre oufo ouroz ozux ozzloy p0g0 p8m p_quarles pablo patterson pav5088 pa|i petemc peterrooney peterS PeterSilie ph8 phaidros phantomik phenom Phil-Work philips_ phogg phoohb phorce1 phorce1_home phrozen77 phuzion Pici Pies Piggy pingveno piorekf plm plueschopath pn0 ponyofdeath Posterdati potatoe5 ppradhan pr0ggie prebz preller Pricey PrickelPit prince_jammys Probeus ProgR33n project2501b |
| 04:48.45 | KaiSforza | you know |
| 04:48.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o yano] by ChanServ |
| 04:48.47 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@c-68-42-78-153.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] by yano |
| 04:48.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o yano] by yano |
| 04:48.49 | ectospasm | !ops |
| 04:48.49 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 04:48.50 | dthree | x.x |
| 04:48.57 | gnarface | aaah, that's better |
| 04:48.59 | KaiSforza | on channels this large it just takes ages for them to get finished. |
| 04:49.02 | gnarface | thanks yano |
| 04:49.08 | neersighted | thanks yano~ |
| 04:49.14 | neersighted | s/\~/\~/ |
| 04:49.14 | ajikeshi__ | nice.. yano thanks for the fast reaction :) |
| 04:49.16 | neersighted | s/\~/\!/ |
| 04:49.17 | neersighted | derp |
| 04:49.19 | mossman | i was wondering who was talking to me in here |
| 04:49.21 | yano | yup, no problem. |
| 04:49.23 | dthree | cool yano :D |
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| 04:49.29 | phuzion | yano: hi5 from ohio |
| 04:49.29 | yano | staff is aware of the issue across the network |
| 04:49.36 | dthree | now kick me (?) |
| 04:49.38 | dthree | lol |
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| 04:49.41 | Jhlorn | yano: Yep. ##networking as well. |
| 04:49.48 | Jhlorn | Was, anyway. |
| 04:50.03 | phuzion | ##mac and ##windows got hit as well |
| 04:50.19 | codygman | On my other laptop I have some bothced graphics card installs. How can I ensure that I have nothing but the noveau default driver installed? It's vanilla squeeze for the most part, but some stuff might be tainted with debian-multimedia. |
| 04:50.20 | aca20031 | 'got hit' dont give him so much power :( |
| 04:50.33 | dzup | i hate spammers facebook 2012 zombie version :( |
| 04:51.55 | gnarface | codygman: http://docs.oseems.com/general/operatingsystem/debian/build-chroot-environment try this one (the stuff on the debian wiki may be a bit too verbose for beginners) |
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| 04:53.53 | codygman | gnarface: Thanks. I'm used to verbose actually, chroot is just something I haven't looked at yet :D |
| 04:54.49 | gnarface | codygman: well, in general you probably want to mount bind /sys in there too (which that link doesn't mention) ; the debian wiki links are kinda confusing because they're etch/lenny-specific and explain how to make a more permanent configuration that will survive reboots without really doing a good job of explaining that's what is going on: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 04:54.56 | gnarface | codygman: there also appears to be some overlap |
| 04:55.32 | gnarface | the concepts are much simpler than those wiki pages make it out to be |
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| 04:57.48 | gnarface | codygman: the general idea is that you create an entirely separate, optional root filesystem at an arbitrary location in your existing root. then you can switch into/out of it at will. it can be an entirely separate installation/version/distro even with the one exception that it still has to share the host system's kernel and physical hardware access |
| 04:58.24 | gnarface | codygman: its not really full virtualization but it has the benefit of having not having the overhead of full virtualization |
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| 04:59.17 | gnarface | codygman: its often mis-used as a security measure but its really kindof weak against anything other than accidental disasters |
| 04:59.40 | peterS | well and there's other limitations. processes inside your chroots share your network access, and if you give anyone root access inside a chroot it's trivial for them to escape it |
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| 05:00.48 | gnarface | peterS: i feel like those are both limitations covered by my above statements but its probably worth it that you were explicit |
| 05:01.30 | codygman | gnarface: I've seen it used at work/in web hosting as a security measure. Thanks that was a ton of help, and I'm going through things now. |
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| 05:06.51 | codygman | Will I have any problems putting a netinst on a usb drive? |
| 05:07.18 | gnarface | codygman: no problem. i'm interested in finding out if you succeed. i'm anxiously looking forward to the opening of the closed beta. |
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| 05:07.51 | gnarface | codygman: no, you shouldn't have any problems with the hybrid netinst and a usb key. the problems would be between booting from usb and your bios's support for it |
| 05:08.09 | gnarface | codygman: (i've noticed that some older hardware won't boot usb keys unless they're formatted as flooppies or zip disks) |
| 05:09.09 | codygman | gnarface: Yeah, I noticed that while trying to run some puppy linux installs from my usb. |
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| 05:10.40 | codygman | I am getting a VERY slow download speed from downloading the testing netinst right now. 36 K/s. Are the download servers under load/is there a status page for them? |
| 05:13.06 | gnarface | codygman: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 05:13.27 | gnarface | codygman: (the key for the right columns is way down towards the bottom of the page) |
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| 05:13.44 | gnarface | codygman: if you're using a mirror not on that list, don't. |
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| 05:18.02 | codygman | gnarface: I downloaded from the debian instaler page and I'm getting under 40K/s download speeds. |
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| 05:20.05 | gnarface | codygman: i suspect that page just randomly guesses at what mirror might be closest to you geographically. |
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| 05:20.42 | gnarface | codygman: you'll have better luck testing a few links manually from the status page until you find one that is moving at a proper speed. if they all are moving that slow the problem is likely in your uplink |
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| 05:21.36 | Leoneof | hello |
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| 05:22.19 | codygman | gnarface: How do I use one specifically? |
| 05:22.46 | Leoneof | i've installed wheezy, everything was great, but it became very slow when i installed nvidia from official website, any hints? |
| 05:23.07 | codygman | nevermind |
| 05:23.46 | gnarface | codygman: they will all use the same paths from the docroot |
| 05:24.11 | gnarface | i assume you figured that out |
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| 05:29.53 | gnarface | Leoneof: haha you want a hint? |
| 05:30.00 | gnarface | Leoneof: are you SURE you want a hint? |
| 05:30.10 | Leoneof | gnarface: yeeaaaah! |
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| 05:30.35 | gnarface | Leoneof: Doctor doctor, it hurts when i hit my head with this hammer! |
| 05:30.47 | Leoneof | lol |
| 05:30.53 | gnarface | Doctor: Fucking stop it then! |
| 05:30.57 | _Brett_ | "So Nvidia Fuck you" |
| 05:31.03 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 05:32.00 | gnarface | Leoneof: well now i'll proceed to the lesson. 1) don't install it from the official website, use the debian packages. 2) make sure your nvidia card isn't so old you need to use the legacy ones (which nvidia no longer maintains or distributes but still exist as debian packages) |
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| 05:33.12 | gnarface | Leoneof: also there's a slight chance you've mis-diagnosed the source of the problem if you have an xorg.conf or if your "very slow" is defined as "youtube videos suck compared to the last time i tried it in windows" |
| 05:34.08 | Leoneof | it's slow windows, thanks for the hints :D |
| 05:34.19 | Leoneof | nouveau was better |
| 05:36.39 | Leoneof | Doctor: use nouveau, go on! |
| 05:36.45 | Leoneof | see you later :) |
| 05:36.47 | gnarface | Leoneof: nouveau has recently had dramatic enough 2d performance improvements that its made press |
| 05:37.05 | gnarface | Leoneof: its a good choice, if you only do 2d graphics |
| 05:37.25 | codygman | gnarface: What about the new nvidia driver that was made specifically for ubuntu and steam? |
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| 05:38.26 | gnarface | codygman: the performance improvements in the nouveau driver are primarily on old cards, most of which are actually under the "legacy" nvidia driver now. the new one for ubuntu and steam makes everything slower that is older than a 600 series card |
| 05:38.56 | gnarface | codygman: although in that respect its not different than any other version since the 30x.xx series driver |
| 05:39.47 | codygman | gnarface: Ah, I gotcha. Good to know. |
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| 05:40.54 | gnarface | codygman: the message from nvidia is "upgrade, motherfuckers" |
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| 05:44.02 | codygman | gnarface: LOL, btw how an I see what graphics drivers are loaded? lsmod? Look at xorg.conf? |
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| 05:44.48 | grothendieck | codygman: lsmod tells you which kernel modules are loaded |
| 05:44.58 | grothendieck | so yes, you can use this to figure out which graphics driver is in use |
| 05:45.08 | grothendieck | or lspci -k | grep $YOUR_GRAPHICS_CARD |
| 05:45.10 | gnarface | codygman: you want to read /var/log/Xorg.0.log first |
| 05:45.27 | gnarface | codygman: at any time after a fresh startup of X |
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| 05:45.57 | gnarface | codygman: unlike most of the other logs in that directory, this one is simply replaced every time X is started |
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| 05:47.14 | gnarface | codygman: so basically everything in that file is relevant to the last (successful or otherwise) start of X |
| 05:47.41 | codygman | Ah, cool. I thought it was a running log like the others. |
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| 05:48.25 | gnarface | well, it will sometimes append some messages during current running session of course |
| 05:48.34 | gnarface | it still logs in that sense |
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| 05:50.05 | codygman | Alright... I have quite the messed up hard drive... I need to repartition quite a few things. The only important partitions are /dev/sdb1 and the /dev/sda's... was trying to figure out how to repartition those. |
| 05:50.10 | codygman | http://dpaste.com/830709/ |
| 05:51.36 | peterrooney | codygman: yikes. |
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| 05:52.41 | codygman | peterrooney: Yeah... I uh... got really frustrated I could never get hibernation to work, made some swap partitions, tried different OS's, etc. |
| 05:53.14 | kbar | sup with the .pdiff downloads whenever i do apt-get update? |
| 05:53.16 | peterrooney | please tell me you have an external drive and can start all over... |
| 05:53.32 | codygman | peterrooney: lol no :/ |
| 05:54.06 | codygman | Perhaps I'll invest in one... I'm sure that mess is the cause of my slow hard drive speeds? |
| 05:54.45 | gnarface | snorts |
| 05:55.15 | gnarface | codygman: HPFS/NTFS < this is the cause of your slow hard drive speeds |
| 05:55.16 | codygman | df -h shows me how big my current partition (sdb) is.. but not how big the other is.. is there any way of seeing that? |
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| 05:57.55 | gnarface | codygman: df -h shows mounted filesystems |
| 05:58.37 | gnarface | codygman: df -h /dev/sda should work too |
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| 06:01.58 | gnarface | codygman: hdparm -i /dev/sda && hdparm -i /dev/sdb and just paste each UDMA mode: line in-channel |
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| 06:03.25 | codygman | /dev/sda: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6 |
| 06:03.39 | gnarface | looks fine |
| 06:03.46 | codygman | /dev/sdb: UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6 |
| 06:03.57 | gnarface | its your filesystem |
| 06:04.26 | gnarface | or you actually just need more ram |
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| 06:04.49 | gnarface | do you find that your harddrive spends a lot of time running in general? |
| 06:04.54 | gnarface | does it seem like it runs a lot? |
| 06:05.44 | gnarface | codygman: also, don't confuse game load times in wine with slow harddrive speeds |
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| 06:05.51 | codygman | gnarface: I think it's just slow. I have 8GB of ram. When I game... lol |
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| 06:07.25 | gnarface | codygman: -t and -T do cached/buffered benchmarks, fyi. |
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| 06:07.48 | gnarface | codygman: that will give you a better idea of what those drives can really do |
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| 06:08.13 | gnarface | codygman: if you're interested in more extensive benchmarking most people recommend bonnie++ |
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| 06:08.58 | gnarface | codygman: what filesystem are you using on sdb? |
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| 06:10.31 | gnarface | codygman: if you want to really increase read throughput (at some expense of write throughput) ditch the windows partition and put them into software raid :) |
| 06:10.39 | codygman | I have a nagging suscpicion this isn't what you are looking for: /dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 06:11.02 | codygman | everything on sdb is linux and should be ext3? |
| 06:11.14 | gnarface | yea that is it you're using ext3 |
| 06:11.30 | gnarface | ext3 isn't the world's fastest filesystem |
| 06:11.35 | biscuit | howdy everyone. I'm having an issue with debian-installer and loading firmware. as per http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch06s04.html.en I am to unpack this supposed firmware.zip onto a /firmware of a usb drive and it should load automatically. I have done so, but it continues to request the same firmware file |
| 06:11.49 | gnarface | its merely the one that has the most "official" support from distros and linux in general |
| 06:12.40 | nsadmin | it |
| 06:12.48 | nsadmin | it's the firmware for what? |
| 06:13.25 | gnarface | biscuit: when you unpack it does the resulting directory end up being /firmware/firmware? |
| 06:13.50 | biscuit | nsadmin: rtl_nic/rtl81053-1.fw |
| 06:14.23 | nsadmin | you could install the base first |
| 06:14.24 | biscuit | gnarface: the .debs are in /firmware/*.deb |
| 06:15.12 | nsadmin | you probably need to extract the firmware... not sure if the installer will deal with that |
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| 06:17.05 | biscuit | mmmm |
| 06:17.23 | biscuit | I'm gonna try installing the base first |
| 06:18.04 | nsadmin | so for that, you'd fail to configure the network, and will do so after you reboot into your base |
| 06:18.17 | nsadmin | hold onto those .debs |
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| 06:18.58 | biscuit | indeed |
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| 06:19.04 | peterrooney | gnarface: how's the status on ext4 losing data due to delayed writes? |
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| 06:24.26 | codygman | Think I'm going to go pick up some new headphones and an external usb from walmart while debian testing downloads. Will be back to fix my horrible current partition. |
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| 06:37.28 | gnarface | peterrooney: i do not know but i haven't seen it happen in person yet |
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| 06:47.18 | somiaj | codygman: the logiteck usb headset (headphones + mic) work basically out of the box if you need a hardware suggestion. |
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| 06:47.26 | ix_ | I sometimes get a blinking cursor on boot, but I can't really reproduce it, as it rarely happens, I don't even know when it appears, I think just after grub, I have Debian squeeze on it |
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| 06:48.08 | ix_ | and if I force a reboot, it boots fine next time |
| 06:48.22 | ix_ | odd behaviour |
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| 07:11.19 | spaceace85 | Hey guys - How can I move the entire contents of a directory to a new location, keeping symlinks and permissions intact? |
| 07:11.24 | spaceace85 | (bash command) |
| 07:12.14 | Sm0ke0ut | rsync can do that for sure, not sure if mv has such option |
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| 07:13.07 | spaceace85 | Sm0ke0ut, thanks. I might look into using rsync :) |
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| 07:25.19 | vyadhaka | is it fine to mirror two 1TB drives with different sector sizes? I have an old drive lying around, wondering should I get two new drives or use the old one and add one more? |
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| 07:32.26 | dpkg | ennio: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 07:48.00 | codygman | I just bought a western digital "My Passport". I'm thinking I should reformat it, should I? |
| 07:49.54 | SiDz | if i want to replace every " : " to a space in a big text file, how should i do that |
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| 07:50.42 | SiDz | like bla:123, i want it to become bla 123 |
| 07:50.55 | SiDz | every : replaced by a space |
| 07:51.12 | nvz | SiDz: cat inputfile | tr ":" " " > outputfile |
| 07:51.13 | codygman | use vim: %s/:/ /g |
| 07:51.33 | codygman | even better, you can don't even have to know vim :D |
| 07:51.50 | nvz | yeah wel the regex could be done with perl or sed |
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| 07:52.10 | nvz | but tr was made specificall for this purpose |
| 07:52.30 | codygman | I haven't used tr enough, I need to familiarize myself with it. |
| 07:52.48 | SiDz | thanks:) |
| 07:52.53 | SiDz | tr worked fine |
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| 07:53.12 | nvz | just tr set1 set2 for the most part.. translates one set of characters to another.. if you supply -d you need only one set and it just removes that set from the output |
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| 07:54.44 | nvz | tr, cut, echo, cat and such utilities can all be replaced by perl, sed, awk if you wanna learn to speak in complex expressions |
| 07:55.33 | slidesinger | Following these instructions for the linux-source package here: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-getting to prep, but still getting: checking for directory with kernel headers... failed when trying to configure debian alsa source package to support rme-hdsp, still getting headers not found, even though they are installed. |
| 07:55.45 | nvz | but there is little excuse for learning simple core utilities like grep, cut, tr, seq, sort.. etc which make all the various things a stream editor can do easier to understand |
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| 07:56.25 | slidesinger | even though I created a symlink and tried the uname -r option for configure. Does anyone know what the alsa source package could/would be looking for? |
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| 08:04.42 | thekev | apt-cache show python-celery=2.5.1... (custom package via fpm by way of pip) ...; Depends: ... python-dateutil (>= 1.5.0); |
| 08:04.56 | thekev | apt-get install python-celery=2.5.1... |
| 08:05.01 | thekev | python-celery : Depends: python-dateutil (>= 1.5.0) but 1.5-1 is to be installed |
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| 08:05.23 | thekev | how is 1.5.0 < 1.5-1 ? |
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| 08:06.04 | crypticmofo | hey all |
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| 08:07.01 | crypticmofo | so this is what i want to do .. i want to do a aptitude search and i want to see what it is recommended by that package ie |
| 08:07.19 | crypticmofo | apttitude -search ~nirssi~dirssi ? |
| 08:07.26 | crypticmofo | or is that the wrong command ? |
| 08:08.10 | crypticmofo | or |
| 08:08.27 | crypticmofo | aptitide search '~nirssi~dirc' |
| 08:08.41 | thekev | apt-cache show $pkgname ? |
| 08:08.58 | crypticmofo | thekev: want to use the aptitude command |
| 08:10.15 | thekev | <- if it wasn't in debian slink, it's newfangled wut wut |
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| 08:16.01 | thekev | why do you require aptitude? |
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| 08:17.35 | jelly-home | ,recommends irssi |
| 08:17.36 | judd | Package irssi in squeeze/i386 -- recommends: None. |
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| 08:28.40 | codygman | Why is the sd card I just bought formatted in fat16? |
| 08:29.01 | pclov3r | LOL really? |
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| 08:40.06 | simonlnu | they assumed you were going to use it in a win box? |
| 08:40.37 | simonlnu | thekev: extra .0 |
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| 08:41.11 | simonlnu | thekev: dpkg --compare-versions |
| 08:41.36 | simonlnu | you'll need to escape the < > etc. |
| 08:41.40 | somiaj | thekev: aptitude's search features are far more mature than apt-cache...don't like it is slower, but a far better searching system |
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| 08:59.40 | simonlnu | what about putting that behind basic or digest auth? |
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| 08:59.58 | simonlnu | also, allowing only certain hosts to connect |
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| 09:04.34 | somiaj | Devastator: I personally use openresolv (or resolvconf) and then set a dns-nameserver entry in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:04.53 | somiaj | Devastator: but you can configue dhclient (look for its conf file) to not update the resolv.conf file) |
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| 09:06.57 | niels1 | somiaj, are there any advantages to using openresolv over resolvconf? i saw it appear in the repositories some time ago, but couldn't tell from the description why i would need it |
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| 09:07.52 | Devastator | somiaj thanks! |
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| 09:08.12 | somiaj | niels1: they provide the same functionality. I think openresolv is a bit newer but over all they do the same thing |
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| 09:09.37 | niels1 | somiaj, i see. well, i'm staying with resolvconf then for as long as it works well for me :) |
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| 09:13.01 | SpacePoet | i just downloaded a .deb from some website |
| 09:13.03 | SpacePoet | how do i run it |
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| 09:13.59 | simonlnu | and you want to install it why? you sure it's safe? do you trust the person? |
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| 09:14.10 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: you don't "run" it |
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| 09:14.20 | simonlnu | man dpkg would say -i or --install |
| 09:14.20 | SiDz | man dpkg |
| 09:14.21 | SiDz | ;p |
| 09:15.07 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: if said .deb is for Ubuntu and not Debian, you may be in for a world of hurt. |
| 09:15.14 | SpacePoet | simonlnu: yes. he is trustworthy. he has a website and stuff |
| 09:15.26 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: that makes anyone trustworthy. Riiiiight. |
| 09:15.31 | SpacePoet | ectospasm: what do i do with it then? |
| 09:15.38 | SpacePoet | ectospasm: do i walk it? |
| 09:15.40 | simonlnu | wtf |
| 09:16.00 | simonlnu | SpacePoet: .debs like jogging |
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| 09:16.19 | ectospasm | but watch out, they like to chase squirrels. |
| 09:16.52 | SpacePoet | ectospasm: why are you being such a dick? |
| 09:17.34 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: what package is this, anyway? |
| 09:17.35 | nvz | SpacePoet: there is also gdebi for doing it graphically and resolving deps |
| 09:17.43 | simonlnu | why are you? we warn you, and you start off saying really naïve things. |
| 09:18.00 | SpacePoet | simonlnu: because i want to use the program |
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| 09:18.31 | simonlnu | and i choose not to help you any more. have a good day. |
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| 09:18.51 | nvz | SpacePoet: fyi a deb package is merely a tarball with control files telling a package manager how to use it |
| 09:19.16 | SpacePoet | simonlnu: you havent been helping me anyway |
| 09:19.26 | nvz | so you don't run or walk it.. ideally you let a package manager open the archive and interpret the debian/ directory found in there |
| 09:19.33 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: do you have a link to this deb? |
| 09:19.43 | SpacePoet | so i just go packagemanager .deb |
| 09:19.46 | SpacePoet | that didn't work lol |
| 09:19.52 | SpacePoet | ectospasm: sure |
| 09:20.04 | SpacePoet | https://jitsi.org/index.php/Main/Download |
| 09:20.08 | SpacePoet | its one of those |
| 09:20.14 | nvz | SpacePoet: on command line you can use dpkg -i, graphically you can open it with gdebi as I said before |
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| 09:20.30 | SpacePoet | nvz: what happens if i am using ubuntu? |
| 09:20.59 | nvz | SpacePoet: dpkg will not resolve any dependancies, it'll just fail and break.. and ubuntu is the same deal in this scenario.. ha the same tools. just further demonstrates why you are off topic |
| 09:21.26 | SpacePoet | nvz: why am i off topic? |
| 09:21.40 | ectospasm | SpacePoet: Since they apparently have a Debian repository, I'd put /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jitsi.list with their repo info |
| 09:22.12 | ectospasm | ...then use any apt frontend to install the package. |
| 09:22.24 | ectospasm | be sure to run "aptitude update" first, of course |
| 09:22.25 | SpacePoet | but i want to use the shell |
| 09:22.30 | SpacePoet | its more leet hacker that way |
| 09:22.31 | ectospasm | or apt-get update... |
| 09:23.16 | ectospasm | er... |
| 09:23.32 | ectospasm | looks like the jitsi deb package will load the repo for you |
| 09:23.46 | nvz | SpacePoet: we're a group of humble debian users who offer support for debian and its software.. we don't know of this 3rd party package you want to use, we don't know much about ubuntu cause we don't use it either.. and you're badgering us about support between two things we know nothing about |
| 09:23.49 | simonlnu | yes, they do that |
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| 09:24.26 | SpacePoet | nvz: sorry there is no need to be so butthurt |
| 09:24.41 | nvz | SpacePoet: above and beyond that, you've had the attention of 3 people who have answered your question more than once with more than one qualified answer |
| 09:24.42 | SpacePoet | nvz: im just trying to get help |
| 09:24.53 | nvz | SpacePoet: there is no butt hurting, I'm jut telling you so you know why |
| 09:24.59 | codygman | I just plugged in a brand new hard drive and I'm getting this info: Warning: Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 09:25.37 | simonlnu | SpacePoet: it is very much off-topic. all we'll do is offer help relevant to debian. beyond that, it's channel policy to not go beyond that. |
| 09:25.42 | ectospasm | codygman: you probably should wipe the partition table and start over, assuming there's no data on it you need. |
| 09:26.11 | codygman | ectospasm: It's weird because before I put something on the hard drive... it didn't give me that message |
| 09:26.27 | nvz | codygman: warnings are just that.. obviously linux can handle this.. other tools and OSes may not be able to.. |
| 09:26.46 | ectospasm | codygman: depending on how you put something on there... how did you create the partition? |
| 09:26.48 | nvz | codygman: if this is some kind of external embedded device, it may know how to read its drive as-is |
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| 09:31.06 | niels1 | cylinders are just a legacy measurement anyway, they're only relevant for very old stuff that accesses a disk in terms of cylinders as opposed to linear blocks |
| 09:31.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I had some issues with my server at home, i had created a raid and lvm2 of my / and didnt have a naked /boot |
| 09:31.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | is that a bad idea? |
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| 09:31.31 | SpacePoet | but modern hard drives still use cylinder |
| 09:31.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i make a ext2 boot next time? |
| 09:31.52 | ectospasm | Eryn_1983_FL: I don't maintain a separate boot paritition |
| 09:31.57 | ectospasm | that sounds like a redhatism |
| 09:32.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | just wondering, since now it wont let me install grub2 says my /dev/gv/root partiton is not a valid one, and when i try to chroot in i get lib issues.. |
| 09:32.37 | simonlnu | Eryn_1983_FL: grub2 can handle that |
| 09:32.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think my path is wrong or something.. |
| 09:32.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah it should be able to |
| 09:32.59 | simonlnu | normally... |
| 09:33.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | at this point i have decided to just abdonded it all and copyu the lvms to another hdd and just reinstall linux, or grub we'll see which will work |
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| 09:34.41 | alesan | hi |
| 09:35.07 | alesan | I have created a ppp configuration to connect to my provider using a 3G USB adapter |
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| 09:35.39 | alesan | how can I prevent ppp to set its lousy DNS servers and always keep what I have written in /etc/resolv.conf ?? |
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| 09:36.07 | niels1 | SpacePoet, no, they don't measure in cylinders. they just report a fake cylinder layout for legacy stuff. the sectors are distributed non-uniformly across the physical cylinders, which would be really hard to calculate and is none of the OS' or user's business anyway |
| 09:36.25 | SpacePoet | niels1: nah ah you are wrong |
| 09:36.54 | niels1 | SpacePoet, well, try to prove me wrong. read it up on wikipedia or google or wherever and you'll see |
| 09:37.09 | simonlnu | alesan: /etc/ppp/options |
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| 09:37.20 | SpacePoet | niels1: there is a flying invisible unicorn right behind you. try to prove me wrong. |
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| 09:37.23 | alesan | simonlnu, I have tried that but it does not work... |
| 09:37.26 | simonlnu | you can also set it in your provider file |
| 09:37.57 | arvind_k | Hi, a dos attack is originating from a server I am maintaining. How do I stop it? |
| 09:37.58 | alesan | simonlnu, there is an option to "enable" peerdns, but nothing to "disable" it... and it seems if I write nothing, it still uses them |
| 09:38.10 | simonlnu | nopeerdns |
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| 09:38.25 | SpacePoet | arvind_k: pull the plug? |
| 09:38.28 | simonlnu | man pppd |
| 09:38.33 | alesan | SpacePoet, well it's known that the number of sectors grows on the outer cylinders... |
| 09:38.43 | SpacePoet | alesan: and that is important how? |
| 09:38.52 | arvind_k | SpacePoet, Well something that would keep the server running :) |
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| 09:39.26 | alesan | SpacePoet, it seems you are just looking for an argument... |
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| 09:39.32 | simonlnu | arvind_k: null route, and tell your upstream |
| 09:39.37 | alesan | anyway |
| 09:39.45 | alesan | let me try again in the ppp options |
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| 09:41.12 | SpacePoet | alesan: it seems you are just stating random irrelevant facts |
| 09:41.24 | simonlnu | !ops SpacePoet trolling |
| 09:41.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: SpacePoet trolling |
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| 09:41.43 | alesan | simonlnu, :) |
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| 09:42.11 | SpacePoet | simonlnu: why so buttpained friend? |
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| 09:42.29 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 09:42.59 | babilen | SpacePoet: Please try not to insult helpers in here and keep it on-topic and helpful in the future. |
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| 09:49.25 | brontosaurusrex | any smarter, well known system crawler/search engine? (other than find and locate) |
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| 09:56.21 | ectospasm | brontosaurusrex: there are some desktop indexing services, but I can't remember any of their names |
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| 09:57.41 | brontosaurusrex | well, probably that would mean that they are not really usefull ... |
| 09:57.51 | simonlnu | tracker and nepomuk come to mind. personally i just use locate and find |
| 09:57.54 | brontosaurusrex | id want something like google, but for the desktop |
| 09:57.59 | brontosaurusrex | simonlnu: okđ |
| 09:58.02 | brontosaurusrex | ok* |
| 09:58.37 | brontosaurusrex | refrazing: any good find/locate gui other than catfish and gnome-search-tool? |
| 10:00.19 | nru | Hi; I want to build a third party network driver into a debian-installer netboot image |
| 10:00.31 | nru | does anyone have experience with that? |
| 10:00.52 | nru | There is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_DebianInstaller_does_not_include_a_driver_for_my_xyz_network_card.2C_but_I_have_.28tarball.29_driver_sources._What_are_the_steps_for_building_that_driver.3F and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetInstWithThirdPartyNetworkDriver |
| 10:01.00 | nru | but it's arguably outdated |
| 10:01.22 | simonlnu | http://is.gd/2EqbZ9 for that first link... |
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| 10:03.29 | arvind_k | simonlnu, thanks |
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| 10:06.20 | simonlnu | np |
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| 10:08.55 | wintersky | hello |
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| 10:09.47 | wintersky | is there any C documentation in html format in Debian repositories? |
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| 10:13.29 | wintersky | i mean basic C documentation |
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| 10:35.37 | cardiel | if i want to run a web site with the ( for ex. ) host temp.org , but i dont run the nameserver for temp.org on the same machine. do i need to put temp.org in the hosts file so apache can recognize temp.org? or is it enough to put it in servername? |
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| 10:37.29 | ksk | servername is enough. |
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| 10:37.46 | ksk | it recognises the site itself via the "host:" parameter in http-header |
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| 10:59.24 | cardiel | ksk, ok thanks |
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| 11:10.08 | Qalqi | hello i am stuck on installing debian from 2 days |
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| 11:11.17 | Qalqi | i get an error saying kernel not found while installing. Isnt there any simpler way to install debian with all defaults? |
| 11:11.57 | boudiccas | simpler way that what? and what version of debian rae you trying to install? |
| 11:12.05 | boudiccas | are |
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| 11:14.46 | boudiccas | Qalqi, well? |
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| 11:15.20 | Qalqi | boudiccas: 6.0.6 |
| 11:15.49 | boudiccas | Qalqi, thank you, that question 2, what about question 1? |
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| 11:16.22 | Qalqi | i mean debian installation process is much more complex compared to ubuntu. I am familiar with ubuntu but want to explore debian boudiccas |
| 11:17.02 | boudiccas | Qalqi, what install ation medium did you use? cd/dvd/ netinst? |
| 11:17.24 | boudiccas | Qalqi, where are you stuck exactly? |
| 11:17.26 | Qalqi | i made a liveusb with cd1.iso |
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| 11:18.21 | Qalqi | boudiccas: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 11:18.40 | Qalqi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.56 | boudiccas | Qalqi, /where/ are you stuck exactly? at what stage of the installation? |
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| 11:22.28 | Qalqi | boudiccas: actually I installed debain on my system but when i boot i dont get boot menu but a grub terminal |
| 11:22.53 | Qalqi | there is no option for choosing OSes |
| 11:23.01 | ws | I'm not sure if it's the correct channel to ask, but is it adviced to create multiple partitions (at least one for / and one for home) if I plan to keep a few millions of relatively small files? |
| 11:23.07 | jimcooncat | I wonder why the software center or synaptic doesn't contain popcon info? I want to use dyndns, synaptic shows 7 matches, and would like to use the most popular. |
| 11:23.29 | ws | (I'm not sure whether it'd impact fragmentation and hence overall speed of the system) |
| 11:23.56 | boudiccas | Qalqi, ah, so your problem isn't in the installation then but in the booting? why didnt you say so in the first place? what happens if you just accept the default kernel, can you boot into debian? |
| 11:24.17 | babilen | !tell Qalqi -about fixmbr |
| 11:24.44 | jimcooncat | ws, fragmentation is not such a problem here like on the old windows fat and fat32 filesystems. A separate /home is very nice in my opinion. |
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| 11:26.04 | babilen | Qalqi: Could you try the method our bot (dpkg) just told you about. Make sure to install grub to the correct drive (e.g. /dev/sda for your first) and tell us what "update-grub" did (errors? reasonable output?) |
| 11:26.18 | Qalqi | boudiccas: actually during the installation process i got a 'kernel source not found and you will likely have system that doesnt boot' message just before installing apt |
| 11:26.28 | ws | jimcooncat: thank you. Yes, I think it'd be easy e.g. to reinstall the system... from what I understand, swap itself does not need a separate partition as it can be stored in a file? |
| 11:26.32 | Qalqi | and thats what happened finally |
| 11:27.01 | darsie | 'iceweasel -no-remote' says I have to close the running iceweasel?! Shall I run firefox-bin or something instead? |
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| 11:27.19 | boudiccas | Qalqi, sounds like a bad installation, please follow what babilen says |
| 11:27.23 | ws | jimcooncat: (I forgot to mention -- I'm using a HDD, not SSD, if it makes any difference) |
| 11:28.23 | Qalqi | ok babilen |
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| 11:29.40 | jimcooncat | ws, I set mine up with separate /boot, swap, /, /home, and a spare. I can always install a fresh os to the spare partition. I always overbuild, though. You should see my house. |
| 11:30.41 | jimcooncat | ws, correction, I've stopped using a separate /boot. |
| 11:31.32 | ws | jimcooncat: I see :-) |
| 11:32.04 | ws | jimcooncat: looking at 'Recommended Partitioning Scheme' in the appendix of installation guidelines, swap partition is indeed advised. |
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| 11:33.51 | jimcooncat | ws, there are several ways to set up swap, I find a partition is the simplest, especially when reinstalling it's right there in the partitioner. |
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| 11:36.10 | ws | jimcooncat: thank you. I'm just checking how much I use for /home vs / on my current system to guesstimate good partition sizes. |
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| 11:39.53 | jimcooncat | ws, yw. good luck. |
| 11:40.29 | ion_ | sorry, but how to I compile the kernel ? |
| 11:40.44 | ion_ | *do |
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| 11:44.01 | jimcooncat | ion_: too complex for irc support, I believe. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 11:46.02 | Qalqi | which one am i supposed to install among i386, amd64? |
| 11:46.15 | Qalqi | mine ia 32 bit dell laptop |
| 11:46.29 | boudiccas | i386 then |
| 11:46.48 | Qalqi | boudiccas: even now i get the kernel not found error |
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| 11:47.03 | Qalqi | on reinstalling |
| 11:47.21 | boudiccas | fix the grub, then sort out the kernel. thats my advice |
| 11:47.22 | Qalqi | it happens while installing the base system |
| 11:47.38 | ikrabbe | hi, I need some help creating some source package for debian. |
| 11:48.18 | ikrabbe | What I don't understand is the concept of orig.tars. |
| 11:48.41 | ikrabbe | I mean I can simply tar together the sources before I add the special debian files |
| 11:48.50 | ikrabbe | is that what's meant by orig.tar? |
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| 11:51.27 | engla | ikrabbe: the orig is the untouched original upstream tarball |
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| 12:00.54 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys, my Laptop sound driver is installed, but in `System settings`, `Sound` everything is dimmed and it doesn't recognize the sound card |
| 12:01.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | So I can't volume down o volume up using my Laptop media keys. |
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| 12:01.49 | Mohsen_Hassani | I can do that using alsamixer or other softwares, but I want to get the media keys work. |
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| 12:03.48 | Nik05 | oh the hilight was some spammer |
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| 12:05.21 | nvz | Mohsen_Hassani: perhaps your user is not in the audio group.. if you cannot adjust sounds |
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| 12:06.24 | codygman | How can I check the space available on my external hard drive located at /dev/sdc? |
| 12:06.51 | AFernandez_ | df -hT /mount point |
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| 12:07.20 | AFernandez_ | df -hT /dev/sdc codygman |
| 12:07.29 | codygman | Thanks AFernandez_ |
| 12:07.32 | SkAzZ | Hello, does anyone know of any Service recovery software in Debian? Like if the MySQL service fails, something to automatically start it again? |
| 12:07.33 | AFernandez_ | np |
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| 12:07.49 | nvz | SkAzZ: inetd.. |
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| 12:08.18 | nvz | !inetd |
| 12:08.19 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about <update-inetd> |
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| 12:08.56 | engla | I like how every day there's a question about something that can be solved by systemd easily. |
| 12:09.00 | SkAzZ | nvz: Ah! Thanks |
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| 12:11.14 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all |
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| 12:12.15 | Aprendiz1234_ | I have a problem with de repositories => Err http://ftp.es.debian.org squeeze/non-free powerpc Packages |
| 12:12.15 | Aprendiz1234_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.55 | linux-fox | hi, all |
| 12:13.08 | nvz | Aprendiz1234_: malformed source line, there is no squeeze/non-free branch |
| 12:13.09 | AFernandez_ | HI |
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| 12:13.46 | nvz | just a guess since I can't see the sources.list |
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| 12:14.01 | Aprendiz1234_ | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 12:14.17 | Aprendiz1234_ | no non free in squeeze? and where can I get non-free packages? |
| 12:14.48 | nvz | there is nonfree in squeeze.. just no such thing as squeeze/non-free |
| 12:14.51 | linux-fox | i am a newbie, which compiler should i use for cpp ? |
| 12:15.02 | nvz | which is irrelevant cause thats not what your source line says |
| 12:15.36 | cookie1980 | Aprendiz1234, try http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 12:15.40 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Could you try using "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" please? (see also "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list") |
| 12:15.59 | ChrisH | I am searching a Debian based solution to catalog and rate pictures. My pics are currently in an NFS exported directories. Multiple users should be able to rate the pictures. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:16.40 | babilen | cookie1980: Do *not* ever recommend that site in here. It causes us lots of work because people break their systems by installing random shit from third-party repositories and we recommend different (geo-ip) mirrors nowadays. |
| 12:17.10 | cookie1980 | babilen, ok sorry, I justed wanted to help |
| 12:17.24 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Adjust your sources.list accordingly and run "apt-get update" and show us the result. |
| 12:17.31 | ChrisH | linux-fox: if cpp means C++ eg use g++ |
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| 12:18.01 | linux-fox | ChrisH: yes, it is c++ source file |
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| 12:18.17 | babilen | cookie1980: I know (and I am not angry or anything) -- It is just that we had so many people coming here who used that site to generate their sources.list without understanding what they are doing. |
| 12:18.20 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen rr http://http.debian.net squeeze/main powerpc Packages |
| 12:18.20 | Aprendiz1234_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.25 | Aprendiz1234_ | it is the same |
| 12:18.52 | Aprendiz1234_ | but only with powe pc, in intel servers I have no problem |
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| 12:19.32 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Could you paste the *entire* output please? |
| 12:20.14 | linux-fox | ChrisH:thank you ,i have compiled my c++ source file ,g++ is very good |
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| 12:21.37 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/3TuxnL9D |
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| 12:23.53 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: What does "wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location" give you? |
| 12:24.07 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Err, no. |
| 12:24.52 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Make that "wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location" |
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| 12:25.44 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: babilennothing in output |
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| 12:26.24 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Could you run "wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.bz2 2>&1" and show me the output of that? |
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| 12:27.48 | Aprendiz1234_ | http://pastebin.com/EWJCxgjP |
| 12:28.03 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:28.10 | babilen | espanol :) |
| 12:28.43 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: What about "wget http://ftp.gul.uc3m.es/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.bz2" and "wget http://ftp.gul.uc3m.es/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz" ? |
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| 12:29.47 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: working |
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| 12:30.38 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Could you paste your sources.list again please? |
| 12:30.51 | babilen | I guess you missed a /debian/ in there, but I'd have to see it. |
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| 12:31.13 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 12:31.52 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: What did the wget calls give you? |
| 12:32.13 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: downloaded the packages |
| 12:32.18 | babilen | Are you sure? |
| 12:32.24 | Aprendiz1234_ | yes, |
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| 12:32.41 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: May I see? What does "zcat Packages.gz|head -n 42" give you? |
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| 12:33.13 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/zZ4FhrWE |
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| 12:33.36 | babilen | hmm |
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| 12:34.55 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: the strange thing is the problem is only in power pc because in intel is going fine with the same source list |
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| 12:35.57 | BW^- | uh , ifconfig eth0:1 works fine but ifup eth0:1 says the device is unknown |
| 12:35.59 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Yeah, I am a bit surprised too. I am sure that I am just overlooking something and that the solution is obvious though ... |
| 12:36.16 | BW^- | all the guides on how to add another IP to an interface say i should use that command, so, how do i make it work? =) am on debian. |
| 12:36.18 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: And I didn't have problems before in those machines |
| 12:36.20 | babilen | BW^-: is it configured in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:36.53 | Mohsen_Hassani | nvz, My sound card is not recognized by Sound applet in System Settings; Do you think it's because of my username not being in audio group? |
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| 12:39.07 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Well, you do have the Packages file (hence the Ign a few lines above), but I am not sure why you still get a 404 |
| 12:39.15 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: And othe strange this, at least for me , is that I had the problem in lenny and I could just now to upgrade to squeeze and next I can update |
| 12:39.20 | Aprendiz1234_ | I can't update |
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| 12:40.09 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: You've just completed a dist upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 12:41.10 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: yes, but next I want to install a package and discover I have problems and I try to update and get those errores. This is much strange. |
| 12:41.13 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: What happens if you use http://ftp.gul.uc3m.es/debian/ as mirror? What about http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 12:41.41 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: May I see the output of "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~U" please? |
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| 12:42.22 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Throw in "dpkg -l libc6 apt" too |
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| 12:44.30 | babilen | Mohsen_Hassani: That might be one reason, yes. You can add yourself by running "adduser YOUR_USERNAME audio" followed by a re-login. What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you? |
| 12:44.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Mohsen_Hassani -about alsa checklist |
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| 12:45.49 | Mohsen_Hassani | babilen, http://dpaste.com/830909/ |
| 12:45.53 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/LQBH9Lvy |
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| 12:47.20 | Mohsen_Hassani | babilen, My username is already added to the `audio` group; I can see it by `groups <my_username> |
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| 12:47.49 | babilen | Aprendiz1234_: Hmm, that's okay ... no idea and have to go. I'll think about it and ping when something pops into my head. You can also try #debian on irc.oftc.net if others can't follow up here. Excuse this and good luck! |
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| 12:48.30 | Aprendiz1234_ | babilen: thank you son much for your time :D |
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| 12:51.47 | marsfligth | How to set statically the screen resolution? If I switch on the pc with the monitor off and I switch on the monitor after the system has been fully loaded, I get a resolution 800x600. If I do the same keeping on the monitor I get the my normal resolution (1680x1050). How can I instruct/set Debian to use the my normal resolution (1680x1050) even if the screen is off? Thanks for reading |
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| 13:18.00 | Leoneof | hello |
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| 13:19.51 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 13:20.11 | bluesm | How to set the default permission with which we save files ? |
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| 13:20.53 | bluesm | Say I want to "root" when create new file, save it with full permission for users. |
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| 13:21.47 | marsfligth | How can I get my default screen resolution (1680x1050) even if the OS has fully loaded with the screen switched off? Actually if the monitor off, it set at 800x600. Thanks for reading |
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| 13:23.10 | ChrisH | bluesm: ??? run id -a; umask; touch testfile ; ls -l testfile ; pastebin it to paste.debian.net and explain here again what you expect. |
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| 13:28.03 | iaj | Hi there... when I initially login as root user, I have LC_ALL=C set... how can I unset this globally? |
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| 13:28.28 | DelphiWorld | hi folks |
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| 13:28.34 | DelphiWorld | thank babilen my cd's are riped:P |
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| 13:29.28 | ChrisH | iaj: LC_ALL=C is the "unset". I am not 100% sure, but I would start with a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:30.36 | iaj | Because the mails sent by our webserver are well.. non-UTF8 currently.. and I was told that LC_ALL=C is the problem |
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| 13:34.46 | ChrisH | iaj: check /etc/default/locale afterwards, prefered to reboot after sucessfully changing it |
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| 13:37.59 | BW^- | i created an additional IP with ifconfig eth0:1 theip netmask thenetmask . how do i remove it? |
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| 13:39.03 | peanutbutterjell | ifconfig eth0:1 down |
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| 13:39.35 | BW^- | aha that's all |
| 13:39.50 | BW^- | peanutbutterjell: there's no "ifconfig eth0:1 delete" or alike? |
| 13:40.17 | BW^- | now, i want to add a second IP on my machine. i went into /etc/network/interfaces and added a eth0:0 with that IP in it, and then did ifup eth0:0 which reported success |
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| 13:40.28 | BW^- | but i cannot reach this IP fromt he world external tot he server. |
| 13:40.31 | peanutbutterjell | BW^-: nope ifconfig's language is in terms of 'up' and 'down' |
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| 13:40.43 | BW^- | perhaps the server hosting has a routing problem? or may I need to add a manual route or sth locally to make the new IP work? |
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| 13:40.49 | BW^- | peanutbutterjell: aha ok |
| 13:41.26 | peanutbutterjell | check that ifup have applied the ip adress correctly to your interface first, run 'ifconfig eth0:0'. |
| 13:41.32 | ChrisH | BW^-: I am not sure if eth0:0 is a valid Aliasname. does ifconfig -a show the new interface? is it pingable from inside? |
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| 13:42.29 | BW^- | chrish: there was some guide on the internet that proposed :0. hmmm it seems this server can't be reached at all right now.. |
| 13:43.03 | bluesm | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/209202/ |
| 13:43.24 | bluesm | ChrisH: Want save files with full permission for everybody . |
| 13:43.33 | arvind_k | Hi, how do I make a message appear when anyone logs in? And it should appear every time a user logs in. |
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| 13:44.09 | ChrisH | bluesm: a) Why do you want to do this? php? b) define full permissions, everyone is allowed to read the file |
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| 13:45.12 | untrusted | arvind_k: man motd |
| 13:45.24 | arvind_k | untrusted, thanks :) |
| 13:46.06 | bluesm | ChrisH: Ehh. generally, i want to make c++ file from root, and then execute it from user :] |
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| 13:47.54 | ChrisH | bluesm: You know that you should do as less as possible as root? An executable create from a compiler with that setting will be excutable for all users. |
| 13:49.12 | bluesm | ChrisH: So it is more from compiler not from user ? |
| 13:49.16 | bluesm | ChrisH: The same with JAVA ? |
| 13:49.41 | wdouglass | bluesm, i think you should look into umask |
| 13:49.43 | ChrisH | bluesm: What makes a file an executable file in UNIX? |
| 13:49.57 | ChrisH | wdouglass: umask is OK. |
| 13:50.17 | wdouglass | better then becoming root all willy nilly! |
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| 13:51.01 | Jolein | hi everyone |
| 13:51.11 | wdouglass | good morning |
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| 13:51.58 | Jolein | i wonder if anyone could help me with getting a tablet to work , it doesnt seem to recognise it |
| 13:52.12 | Jolein | its not in the list of the input devices |
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| 13:52.40 | ChrisH | bluesm: What makes a file an executable file in UNIX? |
| 13:53.18 | bluesm | ChrisH: Emm. |
| 13:53.28 | bluesm | ChrisH: I could change this witch chmod. |
| 13:54.00 | Brigo | ChrisH: the pemissions |
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| 13:55.29 | ChrisH | bluesm: Its only the executiion bit that must be set. Any compiler is expected to make this in a proper way. So your umask is fine to create world executable binaries. |
| 13:55.53 | ChrisH | hand 2 points to Brigo |
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| 13:56.20 | ska | What command do I use to list which services run at various runlevels? |
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| 13:58.56 | ska | somtin similar to chkconfig --list ? |
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| 14:00.23 | frikinz | ls -1 /etc/rc2.d/S* ? |
| 14:00.24 | ChrisH | ska: I only know the old-school way: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* where 2 is the selected runlevel. But I do not know how this work on the systemd startups |
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| 14:08.11 | frikinz | ska: why can't you use chkconfig ? |
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| 14:08.39 | jimcooncat | I left a package manager open at home, now I'm ssh'ing in and want to find where it is so I can kill it. I don't see synaptic or similar using ps -U jim. Any ideas? |
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| 14:08.46 | ska | frikinz: I didn't know it was available for debian. |
| 14:08.54 | frikinz | it is |
| 14:09.01 | frikinz | just tried, nice colours :) |
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| 14:10.52 | ksk | jimcooncat: didnt you use sudo to call the package-manager? |
| 14:11.06 | ksk | try "ps faux" or similar |
| 14:11.21 | jimcooncat | ksk: or gksudo I guess |
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| 14:13.19 | jimcooncat | ksk: wow, I've never seen a tree like that. |
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| 14:14.32 | ska | chkconfig doesn't seem to let me modify though |
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| 14:15.01 | ska | chkconfig --del rsync; /sbin/insserv: No such file or directory |
| 14:15.17 | jimcooncat | nice, I found synaptic was open by root (using gksu). thanks ksk |
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| 14:19.27 | frikinz | ska: install insserv? |
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| 14:20.18 | jimcooncat | for limiting bandwidth, is trickle still a good package, or is there something that's more comprehensive? |
| 14:20.47 | ska | Can debian get a dhcp address without dhclient3? |
| 14:21.13 | petemc | if you install another dhcp client |
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| 14:27.17 | Leoneof | i'm back to debian 6 |
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| 14:33.14 | invariant | Which system call can I use to only count the number of files in a directory? |
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| 14:33.56 | invariant | It wouldn't surprise me if the file system knows this already at some point. |
| 14:34.10 | eni23 | invariant: ls -1 | wc -l |
| 14:34.19 | invariant | As opposed to using some slow solution like ls -l . | egrep -c '^-' |
| 14:34.33 | eni23 | but thats not a system call, its an bash command |
| 14:34.54 | Sm0ke0ut | there is no system call for it afaik |
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| 14:37.29 | ChrisH | invariant: check man stat that might be the starting point. |
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| 14:42.07 | eni23 | invariant: http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node20.html this may helps |
| 14:43.55 | weeb1e_ | Does anyone know how I can get all environment variables that would be initialized for a user, or initialize them on command? |
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| 14:44.29 | ksk | "env"? |
| 14:44.48 | weeb1e_ | ksk: From another user |
| 14:44.58 | weeb1e_ | Or rather, from root |
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| 14:45.25 | ChrisH | su - NEWUSER -c set |
| 14:46.45 | lynks | im getting a snd-usb-audio: probe of 3-2:1.0 failed with error -5 (trying to use my usb headset). aplay -l contains no reference, nor does /proc/asound/cards, this headset has worked on this kernel & alsa version in the past, i just cant seem to get it to be detected :( |
| 14:48.10 | weeb1e_ | ChrisH: I was hoping to get them without having to spawn a process, but I guess that will have to do |
| 14:48.12 | somiaj | lynks: what does lsusb say? Could it be that the usb port/hub you are using is having trouble |
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| 14:48.57 | lynks | somiaj: lsusb contains the headset correctly |
| 14:49.18 | ChrisH | weeb1e_: check all files beeing sourced from the login env of that user.... but I assume spawning a login process is cheaper |
| 14:49.41 | weeb1e_ | ChrisH: Ok thanks |
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| 14:51.25 | lynks | somiaj: dmesg upon replugging the usb http://pastebin.com/Fa9svj2v (contains some earlier errors) |
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| 14:54.24 | somiaj | I would look up what the error code -5 means, try different usb ports |
| 14:54.28 | somiaj | did you upgrade kernels recentaly |
| 14:55.12 | lynks | nope, nothing has changed since it was working. only a reboot (first in a week or so). |
| 14:55.29 | somiaj | what version of debian do you run? |
| 14:55.35 | ikrabbe | engla: sorry for the delay, ayt? |
| 14:55.54 | ikrabbe | engla: where Do I get the orig.tar for a debian source package? |
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| 14:56.08 | somiaj | ikrabbe: it comes in the source package, apt-get source will get it |
| 14:56.21 | somiaj | or download the source package from packages.debian.org |
| 14:56.39 | ikrabbe | somiaj thats the source package. but I need the upstream orig.tar |
| 14:56.47 | ikrabbe | is it somewhere in it there? |
| 14:57.26 | somiaj | ikrabbe: how did you download the source package? |
| 14:57.45 | lynks | somiaj: squeeze on 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 14:58.36 | ikrabbe | apt-get source |
| 14:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | ikrabbe: You'll need to determine where the upstream source is. |
| 14:58.39 | somiaj | lynks: well it could be hardware went bad, again try a different usb port, reset your usb hub, try it in a different computer |
| 14:58.54 | ikrabbe | jhutchins_wk I see |
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| 14:59.51 | lynks | somiaj: thanks, im gonna powercycle. it might be a power issue, maybe moving things onto different hubs will help. |
| 15:02.23 | confusid | using xfce can I have the cpu, mem, hd stats be static on the back ground like I've seen people do in xbox? |
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| 15:05.22 | engla | confusid: don't people use programs like conky for that? |
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| 15:06.44 | apokatastasis | I just use /sys/ stats for setroot -name in .xinitrc |
| 15:06.59 | jimcooncat | confusid: you can use the system monitor panel widget. Sorry if that's not the right name, I'm using gnome here at work but xfce at home |
| 15:07.00 | confusid | I have never set that up before. |
| 15:07.28 | apokatastasis | conky is good |
| 15:07.36 | jimcooncat | oh, sorry confusid, I didn't see "in the background" |
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| 15:09.06 | zamba | i need to downgrade dhcpd.. how can i do that? |
| 15:09.23 | zamba | i'm currently running this: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 |
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| 15:13.48 | damacus | curious why you need to do that |
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| 15:18.02 | zamba | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851333 |
| 15:18.06 | zamba | that's why |
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| 15:20.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions dhcpd |
| 15:20.52 | judd | No package named 'dhcpd' was found in i386. |
| 15:21.18 | damacus | ,v isc-dhcp-server |
| 15:21.19 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-server on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze5; squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u2; sid: 4.2.4-3 |
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| 15:22.09 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions dhcp3-server |
| 15:22.10 | judd | Package: dhcp3-server on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny6; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze5; squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 |
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| 15:22.44 | damacus | zamba: you've confirmed you're affected by that bug? |
| 15:22.54 | jhutchins_wk | zamba: How do you correlate that with Red Hat versions that have a different patch set? |
| 15:23.03 | untrusted | zamba: but did you read the reply, too? |
| 15:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | So this is actually a bug with a dhcp client. |
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| 15:28.37 | zamba | jhutchins_wk: yeah, a bug with the dhcp client that the dhcp server now suddenly will act upon |
| 15:29.14 | damacus | it's always possible whoever patched the bug was somewhat overzealous with preventing DoS conditions |
| 15:29.15 | zamba | so yeah, the problem is the dhcp client |
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| 15:30.05 | damacus | i dont know if there's an effective way to downgrade the package, but I presume you could rebuild it without (or with a modified) version of whatever patch 'broke' it for you, assuming you can't fix your clients |
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| 15:30.31 | damacus | it'd be useful if you knew which version of dhcp server you used didn't have the problem |
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| 15:43.12 | somiaj | ikrabbe: did you find the .orig.tar (when I did an apt-get source foo) I got both a .debian.tar.bz2 and a .orig.tar.bz2 file downloaded. |
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| 15:44.44 | somiaj | damacus: you can downgrade with dpkg -i (and have the .deb) but you do have to chase the downgraded depends around by hand |
| 15:45.19 | somiaj | (it is why I don't delete the files in /var/cache/apt/archives on my sid systems so I can easily downgrade if I run across a bug in the new version, all the packages are there) |
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| 15:51.14 | roaet | Hello. I'm a complete debian installer newbie and I want to upgrade my vim to 7.3 from 7.2 in squeeze. Can anyone tell me of an apt-repo I can add so I can just apt-get the thing? |
| 15:51.49 | gnarface | ,v vim |
| 15:51.51 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-5; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-5 |
| 15:52.09 | gnarface | dpkg: tell roaet about backports |
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| 15:52.43 | antithesis | Hello |
| 15:52.44 | roaet | gnarface: yeah I saw about backports but it was terribly confusing. I guess I'll just try again. Thank you. |
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| 15:57.16 | antithesis | If I have Debian squeeze and I change my sources.list so that it uses the repositories of debian testing, then I do sudo apt-get update, what's the difference compared to downloading debian testing in the first place? |
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| 15:58.32 | untrusted | antithesis: you do an update from squeeze to wheezy instead of installing wheezy? |
| 15:58.33 | WierdPower | Hello guys. I'm trying to configure Xorg, but can get Xorg -configure to work. It just terminates with "Number of created screens does not match number of detected screens". I've tried googling around, but can't find anything that makes sense to me.. Any ideas where to go with this ? |
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| 15:58.53 | antithesis | untrusted yeah |
| 15:58.58 | untrusted | antithesis: maybe i didn't get your question |
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| 15:59.44 | untrusted | antithesis: you didn't test the wheezy installer then |
| 15:59.53 | gihad | Hey guys, what's the cleanest way to install tomcat7 in debian stable? It's not in backports but it's in testing and unstable. |
| 16:00.32 | untrusted | antithesis: but you did test for possible upgrade problems |
| 16:01.21 | ToeTag | antithesis: the installer for <testing> blows hardcore, don't use it |
| 16:01.57 | antithesis | No, I haven't installed Debian yet. I'm asking for understanding |
| 16:02.00 | untrusted | ToeTag: huh, really? in a vm it worked just fine |
| 16:02.01 | antithesis | Is it supposed to be the same? |
| 16:02.37 | ToeTag | antithesis: Start with the *business card* iso for <stable> and at <tasksel> ONLY install standard system utilities. Then update your sources.list and # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:02.41 | Leoneof | question, the packages in Debian7 Beta3 will be same versions in the final release? |
| 16:03.17 | ToeTag | untrusted: has failed on me at least 4 times creating bonkers systems corrupted packages. My most recent try was about 3 weeks ago |
| 16:03.42 | ToeTag | Leoneof: Yes, <Wheezy> has been frozen |
| 16:04.22 | ToeTag | Leoneof: Unless they need to update a version as part of some security fix, etc |
| 16:05.09 | antithesis | ToeTag and then it's identical? |
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| 16:06.43 | ToeTag | antithesis: the problem with <testing> isn't the 'distro' but the *installer* itself - which is why it's still in beta - it's technically not finished |
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| 16:07.17 | ToeTag | antithesis: As long as your /etc/apt/sources.list is pointed to track <testing> and you're up to date you will BECOME testing |
| 16:07.25 | ToeTag | doesn't matter how you get there |
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| 16:08.21 | Leoneof | ToeTag: i need to download 12 DVDs for offline purpose, so it's worth to download them now, or i have to wait for the final release? |
| 16:08.45 | ToeTag | Leoneof: Do you have a really slow internet connection? |
| 16:09.02 | Leoneof | ToeTag: yes very slow. |
| 16:09.09 | ToeTag | Leoneof: By the way, Squeeze (current stable) is AWESOME and rock solid. |
| 16:09.19 | ToeTag | Leoneof: Okay, you don't need 12 DVDs at all |
| 16:09.33 | Leoneof | ToeTag: yes i have 8 DVDs for squeeze, but KDE is terrible, and i want to use it :[ |
| 16:09.48 | ToeTag | Leoneof: Those 12 DVDs contain EVERY possible package that debian has, which none of us use |
| 16:09.56 | ToeTag | Leoneof: You only need CD1 |
| 16:10.12 | ToeTag | Leoneof: That will install a base system *WITH* most common utilities |
| 16:10.42 | Leoneof | ToeTag: but i said, for offline purpose, also i don't have internet always :) |
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| 16:11.38 | jimcooncat | $26.95 for an 8 DVD set |
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| 16:12.30 | ToeTag | yeah, purchasing the set is awesome and then you can install what you want |
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| 16:12.44 | mtn | Leoneof: if you want Wheezy to be stable, you should wait until it is finished |
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| 16:13.49 | Leoneof | right, i can't wait, but i have to wait ;( |
| 16:13.51 | Leoneof | thanks :) |
| 16:14.44 | roaet | Are there backports for distros beyond squeeze? |
| 16:15.08 | simonlnu | no |
| 16:15.17 | antithesis | ToeTag Ubuntu is Debian-based. If you point an Ubuntu system to Debian's testing repository and do dist-upgrade, will it also become Debian? |
| 16:15.23 | antithesis | Or should I ask that in #ubuntu? |
| 16:15.30 | roaet | Then how do I get to,, uh: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&searchon=names&keywords=vim from squeeze? |
| 16:16.22 | mtn | antithesis: you should get a nice broken system :P |
| 16:16.58 | simonlnu | i've done it, but it's not straightforward. it's a lot of work. |
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| 16:17.30 | rizlah | antithesis: Why would you do that? |
| 16:17.45 | antithesis | I wouldn't. I'm asking for understanding |
| 16:17.46 | rizlah | Surely you can just backup data and install fresh debian |
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| 16:18.37 | antithesis | Why exactly would that break the system? |
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| 16:22.10 | ToeTag | antithesis: no it won't become debian |
| 16:22.18 | jimcooncat | I think I'll try this tonight, but do you think I'd be successful in backporting supertuxkart myself? |
| 16:22.34 | ToeTag | antithesis: don't think of them as the same distro at all |
| 16:23.04 | BW^- | the ethernet alias eth0:0 , is that the same as eth0 i.e. not an alias at all, or is it the *first* alias? |
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| 16:23.09 | gihad | Can someone help me with installing tomcat7 on debian stable? backports doesn't work and pinning doesn't work either |
| 16:23.37 | jimcooncat | Ubuntu is source compatible, not binary compatible |
| 16:23.49 | jimcooncat | so says Mr. Shuttleworth |
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| 16:24.21 | rizlah | Different configuration/etc |
| 16:24.35 | simonlnu | and you went over half the people's heads with that one |
| 16:25.22 | ToeTag | Mark Shuttleworth, I get it |
| 16:25.42 | ToeTag | Ubuntu = When you go to download it now it takes you to a donation page |
| 16:25.49 | ToeTag | GIMME ALL YOUR MONEYZ |
| 16:26.08 | ToeTag | Debian = The real deal made my loving bros/ladies with neckbeards |
| 16:26.20 | antithesis | Okay, let's say I'd make a LFS build, then I install apt on it and I point it to debian's testing repository. Will it become debian? |
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| 16:27.25 | mtn | antithesis: why would it? |
| 16:27.33 | ToeTag | antithesis: Only one way to know. However, each distro has such unique implementations |
| 16:27.46 | mtn | antithesis: you want debian, you install it |
| 16:27.54 | jimcooncat | antithesis: don't see why it wouldn't as long as you match the Debian devs compiler flags. You can find where that's documented I suppose? |
| 16:28.03 | ToeTag | I don't believe you could turn *any* distro into another, except for something like the ubuntu "forks" which are really just customizations |
| 16:28.17 | ToeTag | something like PinguyOS you might be able to turn back into Ubuntu |
| 16:28.25 | ToeTag | but something will probably break |
| 16:30.41 | pksadiq | Does anybody run wheezy/sid, If so can anybody try running software-sources-gtk ? I get some error running it |
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| 16:31.11 | antithesis | So where's the distinction between a customization that you can turn back into the parent distro, and something that "should not be seen as the same distro at all"? |
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| 16:31.39 | roaet | I have googled for how to properly upgrade vim using apt, but they are all talking about ubuntu. has anyone upgraded vim to 7.3 from 7.2 in squeeze? The backports aren't available for that. |
| 16:31.46 | sney | pksadiq: what errror |
| 16:31.51 | mtn | pksadiq: doesn't exist on mine, aptitude search doesn't show it either |
| 16:31.57 | sney | ,checkbackport vim |
| 16:32.04 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 16:32.18 | pksadiq | sney: some traceback... pyhon error |
| 16:32.37 | engla | ,checkbackport vim-gtk |
| 16:32.41 | sney | roaet: you can backport it yourself. http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 16:32.44 | judd | Backporting package vim-gtk in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 16:33.06 | jimcooncat | ,checkbackport supertuxkart |
| 16:33.07 | judd | Backporting package supertuxkart in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libenet-dev (>= 1.3.1), libirrlicht-dev (>= 1.7.3). |
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| 16:33.38 | jimcooncat | crying |
| 16:33.48 | sney | !msg the bot |
| 16:33.48 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 16:33.56 | ToeTag | antithesis: I'm not sure there *are* any distros that can be turned back into the parent |
| 16:34.13 | ToeTag | antithesis: but if it's possible, some of the ubuntu forks might be your best bet if you want to try |
| 16:34.18 | antithesis | Can't Crunchbang be turned back into Debian stable? |
| 16:34.23 | antithesis | Archbang into Arch? |
| 16:34.25 | engla | your msg the bot is the most disruptive and irrelevant of these messages |
| 16:34.42 | jimcooncat | I thought knoppix or mepis could be turned into debian |
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| 16:34.46 | sney | hardly. people are now checking backport in query windows |
| 16:35.05 | ToeTag | antithesis: try it! |
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| 16:35.48 | roaet | sney: I will try to create my own backport |
| 16:35.52 | roaet | thanks. |
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| 16:36.27 | ToeTag | roaet: what does 7.3 have that you want? Asking out of curiosity |
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| 16:37.08 | engla | vim 7.3 introduced persistent undo which is awesome |
| 16:37.27 | ToeTag | engla: that wasn't available before |
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| 16:37.33 | sney | pksadiq: software-properties-gtk launches with no errors here. maybe you're missing some dependency. did you install wheezy directly or upgrade from squeeze? |
| 16:37.40 | ToeTag | engla: like a saved history that persists through instances of vim |
| 16:37.46 | roaet | color column is very nice, I'm pretty terrible at 80 col pep |
| 16:37.53 | engla | ToeTag: it wasn't |
| 16:38.06 | ToeTag | roaet: can't you put a ruler line at 80? |
| 16:38.17 | ToeTag | roaet: pretty sure i have that in my .vimrc |
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| 16:38.19 | pksadiq | sney: I installed from wheezy via apt-get --no-install-recommends |
| 16:38.31 | sney | aha, that's probably the issue |
| 16:38.32 | roaet | ToeTag: I also happen to have vim 7.3 installed on every one of my other machines.. this squeeze one is the only one that doesn't support it, pretty annoying. |
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| 16:39.02 | roaet | So a tiny bit of my .vimrc doesn't work on that one machine |
| 16:39.04 | ToeTag | roaet: I'm surprised it's not in backports. What about just installing a binary? |
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| 16:39.15 | roaet | ToeTag: I happen to be pretty crappy at that :\ |
| 16:39.18 | pksadiq | sney: But actually that shouldn't be an issue, I just ignored recommended packages only, not essential packages |
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| 16:39.24 | jhutchins_wk | The problem with overly customizing your invironment is that your skillset ceases to be portable. |
| 16:39.35 | jhutchins_wk | s/invironment/environment/ |
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| 16:39.52 | ToeTag | jhutchins_wk: it's just a .vimrc though |
| 16:39.53 | sney | ToeTag: uh, installing binary packages from other branches and distributions is more likely to create headache than anything else. building a backport on the other hand is easy |
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| 16:40.02 | roaet | my .vimrc is available on github |
| 16:40.05 | sney | pksadiq: graphical package management isn't essential |
| 16:40.12 | jhutchins_wk | If you sit down at a machine you haven't customized yet, your productivity isn't what it should be. |
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| 16:40.13 | roaet | And is automatically installed using all of my vms |
| 16:40.18 | pksadiq | sney: Also My debian doesn't understand the extra keys of my keyboard( play, pause, vol up/down etc), but ubuntu does |
| 16:40.38 | roaet | jhutchins_wk: that doesn't happen in my line of work. |
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| 16:40.57 | pksadiq | sney: Well, I shall try to learn how to live in the console world :) |
| 16:41.21 | ToeTag | jhutchins_wk: yeah i guess you could just feed the commands *inside* of vim |
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| 16:41.28 | ToeTag | for things like smart indenting, etc |
| 16:41.53 | jimcooncat | why not mount the system with sshfs and use the editor environment you're used to ? |
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| 16:42.16 | roaet | jimcooncat: to me? |
| 16:42.17 | ToeTag | pksadiq: that might have to do with the kernel |
| 16:42.29 | pksadiq | Well somebody has to try GNU Emacs for every such features... Even I'm chating now in Emacs :) |
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| 16:42.47 | ToeTag | pksadiq: yeah i've heard of how emacs can do irc and mail and stuff |
| 16:42.54 | ToeTag | pksadiq: very cool |
| 16:43.01 | jimcooncat | roaet: I guess so, I'm not paying enough attention! |
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| 16:43.40 | roaet | I've never heard of it, but in my 30 second scan of the page, its 50/50 |
| 16:43.48 | jimcooncat | what do I know, I use nano |
| 16:43.53 | pksadiq | ToeTag: so I have change the kernel? Ubuntu 12.04 too uses the same kernel version (as debian wheezy), I think |
| 16:44.07 | Resisty | Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but I'm trying to figure out a way to use the apt system (apt-get) to install a specific version of the metapackage apache2. Does anybody have experience with this or know which channel I should move to? |
| 16:44.12 | roaet | ToeTag: how did you do the ruler thing? |
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| 16:45.02 | ToeTag | pksadiq: check up on that, a lot of the hardware support like that has to do with the kernel |
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| 16:45.11 | ToeTag | roaet: let me check |
| 16:45.21 | roaet | I googled it but can't find it :( |
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| 16:46.28 | pksadiq | ToeTag: I planed a switch to debian from Ubuntu.. but my current problems are wireless, keyboard and some minor speed issues... I shall be using Wheezy as primary after I fix these :) |
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| 16:48.10 | ToeTag | roaet: i apologize, maybe i'm confusing vim with sublimetext (check it out) or one of my machines that has 7.3 |
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| 16:48.37 | roaet | Yeah I don't think it is available in < 7.3 |
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| 16:48.49 | antithesis | ToeTag I think I am going to do just that: point apt-get on my Mint installation to Debian experimental. Just for fun. |
| 16:48.54 | roaet | It's just difficult to pass pep8 without the 80-col |
| 16:49.07 | ToeTag | pksadiq: did you use the testing installer? |
| 16:49.15 | ToeTag | antithesis: haha see what happens |
| 16:49.39 | ToeTag | roaet: I'm assuming you saw :set columns=80 |
| 16:49.59 | ToeTag | that's just a hard wrap, BUT it doesn't count out line numbers (lame) |
| 16:50.03 | ToeTag | and it's not a visual line |
| 16:50.33 | ToeTag | IMHO sublime text editor is THE best graphical text editor, and I believe it fully supports vim keybindings |
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| 16:50.47 | pksadiq | ToeTag: the Wheezybeta3 installer, but it didn't install gnome, I had to install each package from console, and I had to chroot to debian from ubuntu for installations just because It didn't even detect my ethernet |
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| 16:51.24 | ToeTag | pksadiq: yeah the reason I asked is that the Wheezy/testing installers have been majorly sucking for me |
| 16:51.37 | ToeTag | Are you in gnome now? |
| 16:51.57 | roaet | ToeTag: I'm only console user. |
| 16:52.02 | roaet | And that column thing is pretty neat |
| 16:52.07 | roaet | I"ll see how it works |
| 16:52.14 | pksadiq | ToeTag: now in ubuntu, but debian gnome works well with e17 ... very nice ui |
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| 16:52.43 | ToeTag | roaet: there is a school of thought that you can ssh/screen into a remote environment |
| 16:52.53 | ToeTag | roaet: so that all of your work is centralized |
| 16:53.02 | roaet | ToeTag: indeed. but my work is a little complicated |
| 16:53.28 | roaet | I am tmux'in, but my dev environment is a little far from me. |
| 16:53.51 | ToeTag | pksadiq: the best thing for me was to install <stable> off of the business card .iso and then point /etc/apt/sources.list to testing, upgrade the system, and THEN install the desktop environment |
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| 16:54.41 | pksadiq | ToeTag: Anyway Its working for me now fine... :) |
| 16:54.44 | ToeTag | roaet: Yeah it's an interesting thought. I initially came across it in a post by a Programmer who ditched his laptop and now *only* used an iPad, bluetooth keyboard, ssh, and a linode for his dev |
| 16:54.47 | Flynn | can anyone redirect me to Debian/kFreeBSD channel |
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| 16:55.09 | roaet | I'd do that if the ipad screen wasn't so small! |
| 16:55.33 | ToeTag | Flynn: it's on irc.debian.org |
| 16:56.12 | Flynn | oh okay |
| 16:56.12 | Flynn | thanks broski |
| 16:56.12 | ToeTag | #debian-kbsd |
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| 16:56.12 | ToeTag | no prob BRAH |
| 16:56.12 | ToeTag | roaet: I'm actually considering it |
| 16:56.48 | ToeTag | roaet: No skin off me if I break the thing - nothing is stored locally and it's ~$400US if something bad happens to the machine |
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| 16:57.24 | roaet | Yeah. I just wish it was bigger. I like being able to view multiple files at the same time |
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| 16:58.40 | ToeTag | Is ther anything that you like in tmux over screen? |
| 16:59.37 | ToeTag | there* |
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| 17:01.11 | roaet | ToeTag: I was a screen user for a very long time. But tmux provides a lot more power and more options, especially with window splitting. |
| 17:01.41 | roaet | ToeTag: it was easier for me to script and to get to do things automatically. |
| 17:02.13 | roaet | ToeTag: Also, unrelated but a preference, I moved from irssi, and centericq to weechat+bitlbee.. And I'm much.. much happier with that. |
| 17:02.44 | ToeTag | roaet: very cool, I'm just starting to experiment with the terminal IRC clients |
| 17:03.09 | roaet | weechat is incredible, but I have many coworkers that are 'meh' about it. |
| 17:03.12 | ToeTag | roaet: on your weechat, do you have a setting to assign a color to every different nick AND their text |
| 17:03.21 | ToeTag | someone showed me a screenshot of this |
| 17:03.41 | ToeTag | So roaet would be highlighted in some unique color, but also what you say would be |
| 17:03.46 | roaet | It automatically assigns new colors to each nick, but I don't want it to do it to their text. |
| 17:03.55 | roaet | I prefer white |
| 17:03.58 | ToeTag | On irssi, I could only get it to highlight the nick |
| 17:04.13 | roaet | It's very easy to set up that option though. It is interactive config setup. |
| 17:04.23 | ToeTag | My eyes still get lost even with colored nicks, but i'm also sorting out fonts/sizes on terminals |
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| 17:05.01 | ToeTag | I used to think the ubuntu font was the best on my eyes and would put it on all machines, but i'm starting to think that it *looks* nice but maybe isn't the *best* for long-term readability |
| 17:05.12 | roaet | I'm using iTerm2 with 11pt ProggyTiny and it's very nice. I am developing on OS X though.. so I'm special. |
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| 17:05.30 | ToeTag | Use monaco? |
| 17:05.46 | roaet | Didn't like that it couldn't get really small and be readable. |
| 17:05.46 | ToeTag | err my mistake |
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| 17:06.19 | ToeTag | Yeah I think monaco is like ubuntu in that way, looks nice and all at ~12-13pt but the letters are so fat and doesn't scale down well |
| 17:06.25 | roaet | ProggyTiny is a bitmap font, so it performs quite well at tiny sizes. |
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| 17:06.42 | roaet | It just doesn't work well outside of the sizes it was designed for. |
| 17:07.06 | ToeTag | I'm looking at it now, looks great |
| 17:07.43 | roaet | I'm not sure if it supports unicode, but that isn't much of a problem in my environment unless people are flipping tables or whatever. |
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| 17:08.18 | tim-ct | hi all I read in techrepblic the other day that an "exchange" program has been written for the Deb platform. Anyone what it is called |
| 17:09.07 | roaet | ToeTag: for that colorize lines things there is: http://www.weechat.org/scripts/source/stable/colorize_lines.pl.html/ |
| 17:09.15 | roaet | Which is very simple to install in weechat. |
| 17:10.03 | ToeTag | roaet: Nice! thanks a lot |
| 17:10.17 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.09 | tim-ct | jhutchins_wk to replace MS exchange |
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| 17:17.54 | AndroUser-thanig | how back up linux after intall |
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| 17:19.40 | ws2k3 | hi when i start to run a ftp servers |
| 17:19.43 | ws2k3 | it says pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to start a standalone server: [Permission denied] |
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| 17:20.37 | tryy3 | hi, i am trying to install debian and get this error https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcg3kw8wmh7txah/20121114_182030.jpg?m what should i do? |
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| 17:22.21 | rizlah | l0l |
| 17:22.37 | rizlah | Debian installer has no errors. |
| 17:23.57 | jhutchins_wk | tim-ct: There are lots of *nix alternatives. |
| 17:24.20 | jhutchins_wk | tim-ct: Mostly they're more modular, there is little advantage in non-commercial software to monolithic integration. |
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| 17:26.13 | moty66 | tryy3: do you have a dhcp server? are you using wifi? are you doing a netinstall ? |
| 17:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | tryy3: Your system is unable to reach a dhcp server. You can continue by configuring the connection manually if you don't have a dhcp server, or figure out why your networking isn't functional. |
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| 17:26.44 | ws2k3 | how can i run pureftpd as a non root user ? |
| 17:26.45 | tryy3 | moty66 iam using wifi |
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| 17:26.58 | jhutchins_wk | tim-ct: They may be thinking of zimbra or some other groupware package. |
| 17:27.14 | kruug | Good day debian, I was wondering if there was an automated way of cleaning up my apt-sources list. |
| 17:27.32 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Why do you want to run it as a non-root user? |
| 17:27.40 | Sm0ke0ut | what do you mean with cleanup @ kruug ? |
| 17:27.49 | ws2k3 | because root isnt safe ? |
| 17:27.59 | jhutchins_wk | kruug: Generally with a text editor. |
| 17:28.08 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: ftp isn't safe. |
| 17:28.13 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 17:28.17 | kruug | Sm0ke0ut: I get a few 404's when running update. |
| 17:28.24 | ws2k3 | but if i run it as root its less safe |
| 17:28.27 | kruug | ws2k3: use sftp |
| 17:28.34 | rizlah | l0l |
| 17:28.37 | rizlah | vot |
| 17:28.40 | ws2k3 | i know but that wasnt the quesion. |
| 17:28.48 | ws2k3 | for now i need to work with the pureftpd |
| 17:28.52 | rizlah | Have you even read the manual? Do you even lift? |
| 17:28.54 | ws2k3 | so how can i run it as a non root user |
| 17:28.55 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Perhaps we should take a step back and ask what it is you are trying to do. |
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| 17:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: There are a number of slightly-more-secure ways to run an ftp server if you must. |
| 17:29.14 | ws2k3 | i'm trying to run pure-ftpd to run a non root user. |
| 17:29.30 | rizlah | I am also trying to run root as pure-ftpd user. |
| 17:29.36 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Yes, we got that, WHY are you trying to do that? |
| 17:29.56 | ws2k3 | because now when i upload something it doesnt have execute rights by defauly |
| 17:30.06 | ToeTag | rizlah: do you even lift, bro |
| 17:30.07 | ws2k3 | because its not writing in his own home directory |
| 17:30.29 | ws2k3 | i was thinking if i run it as That user its more safe + then when i upload something i have execute rights |
| 17:30.32 | ksk | providing uploaded files the execute-bit is a baaad idea |
| 17:30.39 | child | hello all, someone here tried to boot from lan using pxe? I have doubts about how it works, it's possible to boot diskless from it, starting by storage server space? |
| 17:30.41 | rizlah | ToeTag: I lift my fingers when trolling on Debian, bro. Come at me. |
| 17:31.33 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap29sec301.html http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/ftpd.html |
| 17:32.06 | ws2k3 | i need to do it because of the rifght files get |
| 17:32.11 | ws2k3 | not about the securty |
| 17:32.13 | jhutchins_wk | child: Yes, you can do a diskless boot if your BIOS supports PXE. |
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| 17:32.19 | ws2k3 | the security wa a nice bycoming thing |
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| 17:32.36 | ws2k3 | the main reason why i wanne run pureftpd as a user was then it would have executes right |
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| 17:32.58 | ws2k3 | or how else should i do if a user uploads a file it get execute rights ? |
| 17:33.02 | child | and how will I configure the hard disk space to work on the machine? |
| 17:33.22 | child | jhutchins_wk |
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| 17:33.51 | child | is it possible? |
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| 17:34.04 | bitonic | the `ondemand' governor does not seem to scale up the cpus, it just stays at 800mhz |
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| 17:34.20 | bitonic | while running intensive apps like `openssl speed' |
| 17:34.21 | ToeTag | the governator |
| 17:34.36 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 17:36.06 | moty66 | !tell tryy3 -about wifi |
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| 17:37.50 | lattera | what package on wheezy installs the grub command? |
| 17:37.57 | lattera | `apt-get install grub` doesn't |
| 17:38.03 | Sm0ke0ut | try grub2 |
| 17:38.04 | engla | grub-pc |
| 17:38.14 | tryy3 | meh... dpkg says d-link is bad, worked fine for me except on debian |
| 17:38.17 | Sm0ke0ut | or that :) |
| 17:38.21 | lattera | grub-pc is installed |
| 17:38.24 | engla | or possibly another grub package for efi |
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| 17:38.57 | tryy3 | moty66 i got a d-link but dpkg says its bad :P |
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| 17:39.34 | lonewlf | I had a 2TB managed by ZFS, and had found out over time just how edge case ZFS on linux was, and didn't want to run BSD or opensolaris (or its successor) so when I bought my new 3TB drive, I've moved to md + lvm + ext4, md for mirror, lv for flex, ext4 for journal... it's a kind of a hodge podge, but at least its support(ed/able) and in the future... |
| 17:39.51 | lattera | grub-efi uninstalls grub-pc, but I need grub-pc |
| 17:39.56 | lonewlf | it's mirroring now... at about 3x the speed that tar copied the files over to begin with... so there's that too... this is low level and very fast :) |
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| 17:40.27 | Sm0ke0ut | lattera: as you said it was already installed, so what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:40.39 | lattera | Sm0ke0ut: install grub on a disk image |
| 17:40.45 | Sm0ke0ut | You can specify --reinstall but not sure if that's the thing you want |
| 17:40.48 | rizlah | lattera: Why do you need grub-pc and grub-efi? |
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| 17:40.52 | rizlah | You have EFI and BIOS? do tell. |
| 17:41.00 | lattera | just bios |
| 17:41.01 | simonlnu | lattera: -pc is for bios boot, -efi is for .... efi boot |
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| 17:41.11 | lattera | right, I need -pc |
| 17:41.16 | rizlah | So why install -efi? |
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| 17:41.27 | rizlah | MFW noobs come here. |
| 17:41.28 | lattera | 12:38 < engla> or possibly another grub package for efi |
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| 17:41.54 | rizlah | He's trolling you |
| 17:42.02 | jhutchins_wk | child: If you do not have a hard disk on the machine, why do you need to configure it? |
| 17:42.04 | engla | ? |
| 17:42.06 | simonlnu | lattera: and? it's a suggestion *if* that applies |
| 17:42.10 | rizlah | Giving false information to noobs is his favourite hobby |
| 17:42.13 | lattera | tangents |
| 17:42.18 | simonlnu | rizlah: please stfu |
| 17:42.25 | lattera | so... what package installs the grub command? |
| 17:42.49 | Sm0ke0ut | grub-pc (still, yes) |
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| 17:43.06 | lattera | grub-pc is installed |
| 17:43.08 | lattera | but the grub command is not |
| 17:43.17 | rizlah | . . . How do you know? |
| 17:43.35 | child | jhutchins_wk cz there are more than 1 machine, so I need to put this machine on using a storage, or nfs, but I don't know how to boot from kernel, loading the nfs file from lan |
| 17:43.38 | jhutchins_wk | lattera: Grub is not a command. |
| 17:43.39 | Sm0ke0ut | ofcourse not... grub itself is not a command |
| 17:43.41 | simonlnu | lattera: because it's not there. do grub<tab> in your shell |
| 17:43.48 | lattera | http://pastebin.com/huTm1GrX |
| 17:43.56 | lattera | grub is a command: http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Installing_GRUB_on_a_Hard_Disk_Image_File |
| 17:43.57 | rizlah | GRUB has it's own shell |
| 17:44.03 | rizlah | Boot from grub, ask for shell |
| 17:44.09 | jhutchins_wk | child: Perhaps you should seek out some documentation from others that have done this. |
| 17:44.11 | simonlnu | lattera: grub1 and grub2 aren't the same |
| 17:44.13 | rizlah | s/from/into |
| 17:44.19 | lattera | can't boot from grub if grub is not installed |
| 17:44.28 | Sm0ke0ut | 3-4 year old article. sure :) |
| 17:44.29 | lattera | I'm trying to install grub on a virtual hard disk file programmatically |
| 17:44.37 | rizlah | So you don't have grub-pc installed, yet you said you do 10 seconds ago? |
| 17:44.43 | rizlah | You are inconsistent and irritating. |
| 17:44.47 | jhutchins_wk | There is the Linux Terminal Server Project - ltsp will install and run without much intervention, but you probably need to understand what's going on better than you do now. |
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| 17:44.56 | lattera | grub-pc is installed on the machine I'm building the virtual hard disk |
| 17:45.04 | kruug | so, is there a way to filter out sources so I don't have any 404's but still have access to the repo's? |
| 17:45.10 | lattera | the grub bootloader is not installed on the virtual hard disk |
| 17:45.20 | lattera | there's nothing inconsistent and irritating about that |
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| 17:45.47 | simonlnu | lattera: please don't quote an irrelevant article to us, it's not helping things, or your understanding. |
| 17:46.10 | lattera | so, how would I go about installing grub on a virtual hard disk? |
| 17:46.26 | rizlah | lattera: ls /usr/sbin | grep grub |
| 17:46.41 | simonlnu | you said grub-pc is installed. so, you run grub-install for it |
| 17:46.41 | jhutchins_wk | child: http://www.xmarks.com/site/www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Diskless-HOWTO.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Network-boot-HOWTO/x122.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Diskless-root-NFS-HOWTO.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Diskless-root-NFS-other-HOWTO.html |
| 17:46.48 | lattera | grub-install hangs |
| 17:46.58 | rizlah | then you are doing it incorrectly. |
| 17:47.09 | simonlnu | then either you're doing it wrong, or you need to prep it. |
| 17:47.11 | Sm0ke0ut | did you even read the manpages of that command? |
| 17:47.18 | Sm0ke0ut | or are you just trying random stuffs? :x |
| 17:47.19 | simonlnu | or there's a hardware issue |
| 17:47.27 | simonlnu | Sm0ke0ut: i doubt it |
| 17:47.30 | rizlah | That would be far too easy. |
| 17:47.32 | lattera | here's another article that I tried following: http://ebroder.net/2009/08/04/installing-grub-onto-a-disk-image/ |
| 17:47.44 | Sm0ke0ut | you know that after 3-4 years commands might've changed |
| 17:47.50 | rizlah | The best option is to ask random questions in #debian without really giving much insight to the problem at hand |
| 17:47.58 | child | jhutchins_wk thanks |
| 17:48.26 | jhutchins_wk | !ops rizlah is trolling |
| 17:48.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jhutchins_wk complains about: rizlah is trolling |
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| 17:48.51 | rizlah | jhutchins_wk: What a surprise. |
| 17:49.11 | rizlah | I am actually helping him, while giving snide remarks about his inability to clearly discuss the issue. |
| 17:49.20 | LtL | kruug: let me guess, your sources.list uses http.debian.net ? |
| 17:49.25 | peterS | try helping him _without_ the snide remarks, then? |
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| 17:49.51 | ToeTag | !roomGroupHugs |
| 17:49.52 | simonlnu | or putting down long-time helpers |
| 17:50.08 | rizlah | smionlnu, 'laborate |
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| 17:50.33 | simonlnu | 12:42:09 rizlah | Giving false information to noobs is his favourite hobby |
| 17:50.34 | peterS | ToeTag: when you've got 1000 people in a channel, a group hug is probably indistinguishable from a mosh pit. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. |
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| 17:50.43 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 17:50.49 | rizlah | oic. |
| 17:50.57 | rizlah | What do I need to do to get OP permissions here? |
| 17:50.57 | ToeTag | peterS: haha totally |
| 17:51.28 | kruug | LtL: ftp.de.debian.org, non-us.debian.org, security.debian.org, and archive.debian.org |
| 17:51.49 | rizlah | I was thinking I get OPs, troll someone into arguing with me then banhammer them for insulting The Supreme Debian Operator. |
| 17:52.00 | rizlah | Sounds fair, no? abrot does it all the time |
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| 17:52.07 | LtL | kruug: hrm, use different mirrors, i can't explain that. |
| 17:52.12 | simonlnu | ... |
| 17:52.29 | kruug | LtL: is their a list of mirrors that works with Lenny? |
| 17:52.34 | kruug | *there |
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| 17:52.46 | Sm0ke0ut | try archive.debian.org |
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| 17:52.58 | LtL | kruug: i am not sure, try google.. sorry |
| 17:53.03 | peterS | rizlah: the best way to get ops in the channel isn't to belittle the existing ops. #publicserviceannouncement |
| 17:53.37 | Sm0ke0ut | kruug: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1709 |
| 17:54.05 | Sm0ke0ut | though, if you can, you should upgrade to squeeze. Lenny is no longer supported |
| 17:54.41 | peterS | right, archive.debian.org is already a mirror network - just not a very big one. (It does have multiple IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.) |
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| 17:55.19 | Sm0ke0ut | should suffice :) |
| 17:55.22 | rizlah | I would use Squeeze but I'm so scared of change that I cannot even leave my basement for fear of realising the world moves. |
| 17:55.24 | kruug | Sm0ke0ut: I'd love to upgrade, but this is a VPS |
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| 17:55.31 | rizlah | Still on linux kernel 1.0 |
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| 17:55.35 | Sm0ke0ut | you can upgrade VPSes as well :) |
| 17:55.50 | kruug | their architecture is wierd |
| 17:55.51 | ToeTag | doesn't that mean you *would* use squeeze? |
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| 17:56.05 | ToeTag | erp, never mind |
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| 17:56.18 | ToeTag | squeeze is the breasts, it's amazing |
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| 17:56.43 | Skeeter- | how do you know if a 3tb if gonna work on your computer? is it based on bios,kernel? |
| 17:56.58 | rizlah | Skeeter-: Don't use as primary drive. |
| 17:57.20 | kruug | uname -r results in: 2.6.18-274.7.1.el5.028stab095.1 |
| 17:57.23 | Skeeter- | i tough about booting from USB |
| 17:57.24 | rizlah | Everyone should be on 128G ssd for primary, 2T+ for storage |
| 17:57.44 | Sm0ke0ut | kruug: upgrading is quite easy actually.. just change /etc/apt/sources.list and change lenny into squeeze and do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:57.59 | Skeeter- | rizlah: the os runs of a raid6, no need for SSD |
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| 17:58.03 | simonlnu | !squeeze release notes |
| 17:58.04 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 17:58.11 | simonlnu | and read that ^^^^ |
| 17:58.18 | Skeeter- | rizlah: i nkow ssd are faster, i just dont need for the server |
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| 17:58.57 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: it's going to work, with caveats about squeeze/grub being a bit of a pain to boot off GPT style partition table |
| 17:58.59 | Sm0ke0ut | with the limited writes you can do on a SSD I certainly don't recommend SSDs for servers, at least not SSD's with MLC chips |
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| 17:59.29 | rizlah | Sm0ke0ut: Take your disinformation elsewhere please, #debian is no joke. |
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| 17:59.48 | simonlnu | ... |
| 17:59.48 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: rizlah : so best solution is too boot via usb then the 3tb will be seen as 3tb? |
| 17:59.51 | thanigaivel | how back up os installed on usb pen drive |
| 17:59.55 | rizlah | simonlnu: SSDs are fine for servers |
| 18:00.13 | rizlah | Intel makes SSDs /specifically/ for servers requiring many write cycles |
| 18:00.25 | Skeeter- | rizlah: series? |
| 18:00.30 | rizlah | Most servers are migrating to SSDs for performance increases. |
| 18:00.34 | rizlah | Skeeter-: H/O |
| 18:00.38 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: the issue is not about the device being "seen" but about inability to format it with traditional partition table |
| 18:00.51 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: i use GPT |
| 18:01.12 | rizlah | Skeeter-: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-help-me-choose.html |
| 18:01.28 | rizlah | "Intel SSDs with High Endurance Technology enable a whole new way of looking at data center and cloud storage solutions. These Intel SSDs are designed for high-write endurance, extreme performance, and data protection." |
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| 18:01.51 | ToeTag | OCZ Vertex 4 Thug life |
| 18:02.08 | ToeTag | Samsung = also good for personal use |
| 18:02.13 | jelly-home | rizlah: it might be more worthwhile to keep in mind a user's budget when helping them |
| 18:02.15 | rizlah | Samsung 830 4 lief bro, lief. |
| 18:02.23 | Skeeter- | ToeTag: i had SO much problem with OCZ, never buying from them again |
| 18:02.32 | rizlah | jelly-home: Right, but in this case I was disproving sm0ke's comment. |
| 18:02.49 | ikrabbe | what's the usage of pristine-tar, when I simple can hold a set of changes in a git branch? |
| 18:02.51 | ToeTag | Skeeter-: Vertex 4 is solid for most folks, and users aren't having to update the firmware every 3 days |
| 18:02.53 | jelly-home | rizlah: <rizlah> Everyone should be on 128G ssd for primary, 2T+ for storage |
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| 18:03.11 | Skeeter- | ToeTag: do you raid0 with them? |
| 18:03.11 | ToeTag | SSDs are no longer expensive |
| 18:03.17 | rizlah | jelly-home: 128G SSDs are < 90, hence that is a good recommendation |
| 18:03.22 | engla | ikrabbe: the pristine (byte-for-byte identicial) part |
| 18:03.25 | ToeTag | Skeeter-: Haven't done any SSD raids yet |
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| 18:03.48 | ToeTag | SSDs are way cheaper than IDE hard drives ever were |
| 18:03.48 | simonlnu | pristine-tar is for the upstream tarball |
| 18:03.50 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: keeping the OS on a separate raid1 is however a good idea for servers |
| 18:03.51 | Skeeter- | 3tb WD RED are 150 freeship on newegg ATM |
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| 18:04.08 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: its raid6 |
| 18:04.12 | rizlah | The performance increase is worth far more than the lost space |
| 18:04.13 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: for the OS? |
| 18:04.23 | ToeTag | Dat iops |
| 18:04.27 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: yes, /boot is raid0 over 12 drives |
| 18:04.40 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: raid0 is not a good idea for /boot |
| 18:04.42 | rizlah | r0fl |
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| 18:04.50 | jpinx-trapper | !ops can we stop rizlah 's misinformation please? |
| 18:04.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jpinx-trapper complains about: can we stop rizlah 's misinformation please |
| 18:05.00 | rizlah | jpinx-trapper: Elaborate. |
| 18:05.03 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: perhaps you meant raid1 |
| 18:05.13 | Skeeter- | raid1 yes sorry |
| 18:05.26 | ikrabbe | I think I didn't got the whole concept of upstream tarballs yet, as I use git clones for so long now, I haven't fiddled with tarballs for three years or so |
| 18:05.56 | Skeeter- | so, 3tb on boot depends on the bios, after that its the kernel? |
| 18:06.10 | ToeTag | All your upstream tarballs are belong to us |
| 18:06.20 | rizlah | This channel are has mine. |
| 18:06.35 | rizlah | I peed on it. Legally binding contract. |
| 18:06.49 | jelly-home | rizlah: your comments are tangential at best, noise and insults at worst |
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| 18:06.55 | fireboot | Hi |
| 18:06.57 | jelly-home | is that enough elaboration |
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| 18:07.04 | lolll | hey |
| 18:07.16 | jelly-home | do you need quotes for each |
| 18:07.16 | rizlah | jelly-home: tangential how? I helped like 10 times? |
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| 18:08.36 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: correct. If the bios can access your /boot and you boot a debian kernel+initramfs image, things ought to work after that if all the hardware is supported by drivers |
| 18:09.17 | ToeTag | jelly-home: You jelly? |
| 18:09.20 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: perfect |
| 18:09.45 | rizlah | ToeTag: das racis' |
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| 18:09.56 | ToeTag | oops wrong window |
| 18:10.07 | ToeTag | brb DEBIAN BROTHERHOOD |
| 18:10.08 | rizlah | Same |
| 18:10.12 | fireboot | I'm trying to install debian testing in a VM using a remote installation by running this command: virt-install --name demo_vm --disk path=./demo.img,size=10 --ram 512 --location http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/ |
| 18:10.16 | fireboot | The installer starts correctly |
| 18:11.01 | fireboot | downloads a bunch of stuff, but then tells something like "no kernel module were found, probably because of a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive" |
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| 18:11.13 | fireboot | and later on the install fails because the installer doesn't see any disk |
| 18:11.23 | fireboot | any idea how to work around this problem? |
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| 18:16.15 | Flynn | protip: Join Ubuntu's channel, act like you are using Ubuntu instead of Debian and ask there since the people are much more friendly and helpful; better protip: Google/Manfiles/etc |
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| 18:17.18 | kspd | hello guys i installed debian and didnt install network drriver durin installation |
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| 18:19.55 | kspd | Flynn: can i use the ubuntu cd to install some packages i have 10.04 ubuntu cd |
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| 18:21.52 | LtL | kspd: in short.. hell no |
| 18:21.52 | Flynn | kspd: don't mix Ubuntu/Debian packages |
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| 18:22.12 | Flynn | Or better yet word your questions better so I don't think you are asking if mixing Ubuntu & Debian packages is okay |
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| 18:22.52 | kspd | ok |
| 18:23.17 | jelly-home | kspd: wired ethernet often works out of the box. Wireless is problematic because Debian doesn't provide non-free firmware by default |
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| 18:24.08 | jelly-home | kspd: that said, network can be made to work with more or less trouble if you provide info about your setup. Which debian release did you install. |
| 18:24.19 | Flynn | kspd: want to know a protip people in here won't tell you |
| 18:24.23 | bmhatfield | Is anyone else having issues with the recent AAAA record addition to ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 18:24.32 | kspd | jelly-home: i connect my phone in wifi then plugg it to pc but it doesnt work |
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| 18:24.41 | Flynn | there's a Debian variant called Crunchbang with nonfree drivers, nonfree repos in your sources.list |
| 18:24.48 | Flynn | Use that if you need your wireless nic working out of the box |
| 18:24.51 | Flynn | Its the same as Debian |
| 18:24.55 | Flynn | but no one in here will tell you that |
| 18:25.00 | Flynn | because it's nonfree and uses openbox |
| 18:25.23 | rizlah | Flynn: Similar, not same. |
| 18:25.31 | rizlah | If it was the same, it would be called Debian. |
| 18:25.39 | jelly-home | Flynn: it, however, is not supported in here |
| 18:25.50 | Flynn | see kspd |
| 18:25.58 | Flynn | they go nuts when you try to tell them its Debian |
| 18:25.58 | peterS | Flynn: enough with the "here's what they won't tell you" schtick. either tell him or don't tell him but don't try to imply the whole channel is just withholding information |
| 18:25.59 | Flynn | but it is |
| 18:26.02 | jelly-home | if people come in here we usually assume they want to run, yknow, Debian |
| 18:26.17 | Flynn | which Crunchbang is Debian with Openbox |
| 18:26.37 | Flynn | just like Kubuntu is Ubunutu with KDE instead of Unity |
| 18:26.43 | Flynn | funny how that works innit mates? |
| 18:26.43 | kspd | yeh im on debian now |
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| 18:26.51 | kspd | with no net on it |
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| 18:26.58 | kspd | thats my main problem |
| 18:26.58 | Flynn | kspd: try Crunchbang if you are new are you are having issues with your wireless nic |
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| 18:27.01 | peterS | Flynn: there are 1001 Linux distributions that are based on or descended from Debian. We can't support them as we have no way of knowing, in general, what differences they have. Even your favorite one. |
| 18:27.20 | Flynn | peterS: i dont even use #! i'm just stating the facts |
| 18:27.25 | rizlah | Flynn: What do you use? |
| 18:27.28 | Flynn | it's Debian with Openbox installed and nonfree repos |
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| 18:27.43 | Flynn | People in this channel will BS you and say different |
| 18:27.45 | Flynn | but its not true |
| 18:27.47 | Leoneof | what happens if i do sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1, while sda1 is running linux. |
| 18:27.49 | peterS | Flynn: so don't try to paint us as the bad guys who refuse to admit that something "is Debian". We've been there, done that. Stuff that is not Debian but is based on it needs to get their own support channels and other means, we can't do it here. |
| 18:27.58 | jelly-home | !crunchbang |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 18:28.05 | Flynn | and rizlah I prefer Sid from bizcard,OpenBSD,Gentoo |
| 18:28.11 | Flynn | OpenBSD on serers |
| 18:28.13 | Flynn | Servers* |
| 18:28.25 | jelly-home | Flynn: feel free to ask for help about Crunchbang in there |
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| 18:28.46 | Flynn | jelly-home: i'm not needing any help with #! |
| 18:28.48 | Flynn | i dont use it |
| 18:28.54 | Flynn | i'm just helping someone else |
| 18:29.10 | jelly-home | Flynn: you're not helping them at all if you don't tell them where to get help |
| 18:29.13 | rizlah | Flynn: Debian needs people to fix bugs for Wheezy, don't drive them away. |
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| 18:29.56 | Flynn | a new user needs something a lot more friendly than out of box Debian |
| 18:30.03 | jelly-home | kspd: how do you connect the phone to your machine? |
| 18:30.13 | Flynn | #! offers that, and IS debian |
| 18:30.21 | peterS | yeah a better answer is "there's this distribution called crunchbang that you might try, it's based on Debian so you might like it, support for that is over -> there". A bad answer is "you should try crunchbang because it is Debian". |
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| 18:30.36 | Flynn | >based on debian |
| 18:30.39 | Flynn | No, it's Debian |
| 18:30.46 | peterS | if it's debian, it shoudln't need a new name |
| 18:30.56 | Flynn | just like Xubuntu is Ubuntu |
| 18:31.13 | simonlnu | no, it isn't like that |
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| 18:31.20 | Flynn | quit being such radicals, you guys normally feed people useless information in here |
| 18:31.28 | kspd | jelly-home: using a usb cable |
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| 18:31.37 | Flynn | it's the same init system, same package manager, same repos; just different software preinstalled |
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| 18:31.47 | kspd | with an appcalled wired theter |
| 18:31.55 | simonlnu | same repo? since when? |
| 18:32.06 | peterS | Flynn: feel free to recommend crunchbang to people you think it would be appropriate for. Just don't try to imply that we can actually support crunchbang in this channel. anyone interested in supporting it should also join whatever channel they use. |
| 18:32.06 | jelly-home | Flynn: not all the same packages. |
| 18:32.08 | master | i get this error when i try to start iceweasel: "GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported" How do i fix that? |
| 18:32.11 | simonlnu | same distro? since when? |
| 18:32.22 | simonlnu | packages? don't get me started |
| 18:32.36 | jelly-home | Flynn: read "Compatibility with Debian" at http://crunchbang.org/about/ |
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| 18:33.25 | Flynn | peterS: you guys will turn down someone who asks a simple question about apt, or debian base tools, if they state they use #! or Ubuntu, only because of the operating system they stated |
| 18:33.25 | abrotman | rizlah: Why is it that you keep running into trouble? |
| 18:33.38 | Flynn | if they lied and said Debian, you guys would give them the correct answer, and it would work for them |
| 18:33.48 | Flynn | and they would be on their merry way |
| 18:33.54 | peterS | Flynn: we have no moral imperative to help anyone who isn't using Debian. If we choose to volunteer our time to help Debian users, it does not follow that anyone can demand we help non-Debian users. |
| 18:33.57 | Flynn | but you guys have to be radicals |
| 18:33.59 | rizlah | abrotman: There is a conspiracy to get me removed from the channel because they're all racist here. |
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| 18:34.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/rizlah] by abrotman |
| 18:34.06 | *** kick/#debian [rizlah!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 18:34.18 | jelly-home | what an idiot |
| 18:34.22 | peterS | Flynn: in fact we have no moral imperative to help Debian users either. we do it because we enjoy it. nobody's paying us for any of this. |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | That's not constructive in any way .. repeated problem. |
| 18:35.16 | simonlnu | finally |
| 18:35.24 | Flynn | kspd: i can probably help you in pm in more friendly matters |
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| 18:36.15 | simonlnu | Flynn: that's on your shoulders. and same with any of the rest of the folks in here. |
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| 18:36.37 | Flynn | peterS: it's not that fact, we know that you do this out of the goodness of your heart, but you often turn down new users to Linux in generel by being unhelpful and unfriendly towards people who don't agree or use the same software sets you do |
| 18:36.40 | jelly-home | haven't set up tethering over usb on Debian like, ever |
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| 18:37.05 | simonlnu | "who don't agree?" there's a lot of fud out there.... |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | we're still arguing over this? |
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| 18:37.37 | Flynn | tethering over usb on Debian should automatically work |
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| 18:37.38 | simonlnu | there's a difference between not agreeing and trying to clear up fud. i'm done. |
| 18:37.40 | Flynn | if its RNDIS |
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| 18:37.52 | cardamon | I'm looking at a new laptop, and I've narrowed it down the same basic model with two different processors + integrated graphics. How are the drivers for 2D and 3D with regards to AMD and Intel's integrated graphics? |
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| 18:38.16 | master | hmm aöö my gtk2 apps are failing to start with that same error. |
| 18:38.19 | abrotman | cardamon: i intentionally buy laptops with intel chipsets for video |
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| 18:38.36 | abrotman | cardamon: i have no desire to screw around with proprietary drivers for amd/nvidia |
| 18:38.37 | cardamon | abrotman: That's what I'm thinking. The AMD C-60 is woefully slow. |
| 18:38.46 | jpinx-trapper | kspd: I run a mobile phone connected to squeeze over usb, but not sure if it is a similar situation |
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| 18:38.52 | jelly-home | my phone switches to either a rndis-host or cdc-ether device depending on whether I set it to "windows" or "mac" tethering |
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| 18:39.19 | peterS | Flynn: I don't think it's unfriendly to tell people they're asking in the wrong channel. What's unfriendly is to expect Vendor A to spend support resources helping Vendor B's users. (The fact that Debian is not a for-profit vendor is not really relevant.) |
| 18:39.22 | jelly-home | I don't know how to set up either in xfce |
| 18:39.33 | peterS | anyway, yeah, I'm done |
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| 18:39.40 | Flynn | I stopped talking and started helping the young fellow with his RNDIS issues in pm peterS |
| 18:39.46 | Flynn | I dont know why you are continuning |
| 18:39.53 | Flynn | this isn't helpful/not constructive |
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| 18:40.23 | peterS | Flynn: just answering your accusation that we are unhelpful and unfriendly. If you didn't want me to answer that, you shouldn't have mentioned it. |
| 18:40.39 | simonlnu | i second that |
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| 18:40.53 | Flynn | well i'm helping someone in pm, please stop highlighting me |
| 18:41.08 | Flynn | and no, i'm not encouraging them to change distros |
| 18:41.18 | peterS | you should have mentioned _that_ too, then. "everyone stop saying my name, I'm busy elsewhere." (: |
| 18:41.36 | Flynn | once again, making your community look bad. |
| 18:41.58 | jpinx-trapper | Flynn: you should be helping in here - this is a community of debian users and we all gain from good advice given |
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| 18:42.23 | peterS | jpinx-trapper: hey now. he's helping someone with a not-directly-Debian-related question. taking that to PM is the correct thing to do. |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | or to the correct support channel |
| 18:42.53 | jpinx-trapper | peterS: 19:41 < Flynn> and no, i'm not encouraging them to change distros |
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| 18:43.51 | peterS | yes, well. it's his decision that the help he is giving would be seen as noise on #debian. from that I gather that it is not directly Debian-related. In any case, I don't think we should chastise that choice. |
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| 18:45.13 | peterS | we can't demand that all Debian help be given on the #debian channel. We can request that all non-Debian help happen off the #debian channel. If someone has to make a judgment call between those two, we shouldn't preemptively criticise it. |
| 18:45.30 | simonlnu | nods |
| 18:45.33 | jpinx-trapper | peterS: I am being totally selfish here because I have a similar issue |
| 18:45.44 | peterS | ahh (: his true motives emerge (: |
| 18:45.50 | ksk | can you please hold this discussion in offtopic-channel? :> |
| 18:45.51 | jpinx-trapper | ;) |
| 18:46.11 | Flynn | Well I am helping him in pm, trying to explain a new user how to connect the dhclient to usb0.The easiest way for him on Xfce Debian seems to be to go into Wicd-gtk preferences and change eth0 to usb0 |
| 18:46.14 | jelly-home | he's right in one thing -- we've all been trolled by his meta instead of helping the user |
| 18:46.15 | Flynn | and check always wired connection |
| 18:46.26 | Flynn | now you guys will know how to help him |
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| 18:47.00 | peterS | heh - I don't use xfce or wicd so just as well I'm not trying to help here... |
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| 18:47.23 | Flynn | well i'm assumming since most debian images come with xfce preinstalled |
| 18:47.25 | jpinx-trapper | Flynn: I use lxde and commandline ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.16 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 18:48.11 | jpinx-trapper | but that requiresme to configure the phone to a suitable IP so that ssh will see it |
| 18:48.16 | Flynn | without wicd-gtk the kernel should automatically connect a RNDIS connection |
| 18:48.20 | ompaul | Flynn: ... you choose the desktop on the netinstall cd as to what you want on the box else it's read the disk type |
| 18:48.23 | Flynn | wicd is the only thing that stops it |
| 18:48.44 | Flynn | and tries to automatically set eth0 as a default wired connection |
| 18:48.51 | Flynn | if he uses wicd thats all he has to do |
| 18:48.59 | Flynn | Debian is out of box RNDIS tethering support |
| 18:49.02 | jpinx-trapper | Flynn: you can change tht within wicd |
| 18:49.05 | gihad | My company is moving from debian to centos, please help |
| 18:49.06 | Flynn | yes |
| 18:49.08 | Flynn | in preferences |
| 18:49.11 | Flynn | by changing eth0 to usb0 |
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| 18:49.16 | Flynn | and clicking always connect wired connection |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | gihad: i think you want #centos ? |
| 18:49.30 | gihad | no, I'm just sad |
| 18:49.42 | Armand | Not a lot anyone can do about that. |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | !tell gihad about why debian |
| 18:50.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: are integration issues ontopic of offtopic in both places? |
| 18:50.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: he's asking for help to convince them not ot switchg .. i think ? |
| 18:51.01 | gihad | They argue that redhat/centos have better support from server hardware manufactures, is that true? |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | ask your server manufactuerer |
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| 18:52.10 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 18:52.11 | Innocentus | I want to write a little shell script which executes some commands and also let them pipe to itself for further processing |
| 18:52.12 | Innocentus | however - appearently one can have only a shell script which accepts parameters or a shell script which can let other programs pipe to itself |
| 18:52.14 | Innocentus | but not both which I would like to have |
| 18:52.32 | peterS | gihad: depends what you mean by 'support'. The hardware vendors may provide better support for centos than for debian. as abrotman says, you'd have to ask them. but from a guaranteed interactive support standpoint, good luck with centos - if you really want someone you can call when there's a problem, you buy RHEL. |
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| 18:53.07 | abrotman | right, as far as "Certified Support", Debian and CentOS are really in the same boat |
| 18:53.17 | gihad | They also claim that hadoop distributions always release packages for RHEL/Centos before debian |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | hadoop is in Debian ? |
| 18:53.32 | jimcooncat | mmm, third party support contracts .... |
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| 18:53.41 | Flynn | does Gnome2 come with wicd? |
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| 18:53.56 | peterS | I ... don't know, I thought it came with network-manager |
| 18:54.05 | somiaj | Flynn: not directally, but no reason you can't install it. |
| 18:54.16 | Flynn | im trying to help a new Debian user |
| 18:54.19 | Flynn | in pm |
| 18:54.28 | peterS | not sure if wicd and network-manager can coexist. n-m has enough trouble coexisting with plain old ifupdown, so who knows. |
| 18:54.57 | jpinx-trapper | wicd and nm appear to be mutuall exclusive |
| 18:55.00 | jimcooncat | I believe I had to uninstall network-manager to install wicd, iirc |
| 18:55.00 | abrotman | Flynn: come with? No .. available for use, yes .. |
| 18:55.13 | abrotman | Flynn: but n-m in gnome2 works fairly well |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | why is he doing suport in privmsg instead of int he channel ? |
| 18:55.29 | Flynn | a lot of text |
| 18:55.32 | jimcooncat | I never could make n-m work with static addresses |
| 18:55.38 | Flynn | and a lot of flaming was going on here |
| 18:55.40 | antithesis | But how would you install wicd... without internet connection? Dun dun dun! |
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| 18:56.02 | abrotman | Flynn: it's either Debian or it's not .. if you're asking for the guy in privmsg who isn't using Debian, please ask the correct channel |
| 18:56.03 | Flynn | whats the Debian equal to dhcpcd |
| 18:56.09 | jpinx-trapper | antithesis: download the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 18:56.14 | Flynn | abrotman: he is |
| 18:56.14 | abrotman | Flynn: if it is Debian, please bring the support in the channel |
| 18:56.14 | gihad | I think the sys admin ran into server hardware that had drivers for redhat/centos but not for linux a few times before. He said he had to replace debian stable with centos because the driver for the HP server raid controller didn't exsit for debian |
| 18:56.26 | abrotman | gihad: bullsnot |
| 18:56.29 | damacus | Flynn: dhclient |
| 18:56.33 | Flynn | okay thank you |
| 18:56.44 | peterS | Flynn: dhcpcd is available as a spearate package, if you prefer it over dhclient. but yeah, dhclient is what you get by default |
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| 18:56.51 | abrotman | gihad: HP has a support matrix for distros |
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| 18:57.23 | gihad | abrotman, what does that mean? |
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| 18:58.11 | antithesis | gihad I think it means bollocks |
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| 18:59.03 | abrotman | gihad: http://downloads.linux.hp.com/SDR/downloads/ProLiantSupportPack/Debian/dists/squeeze/current/non-free/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 18:59.29 | Flynn | abrotman: his problem is fixed |
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| 18:59.34 | Flynn | no worries no |
| 18:59.37 | Flynn | and hes using debian |
| 18:59.40 | Flynn | so still no worries |
| 19:00.01 | Armand | Ooohh... look at my high horse!! ¬_¬ |
| 19:00.20 | peterS | Armand: no need to fan the flames |
| 19:00.37 | Flynn | exactly my point |
| 19:00.44 | Flynn | this community helps more than it hurts |
| 19:00.51 | Flynn | you guys couldve helped him |
| 19:00.53 | Flynn | but instead you flamed |
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| 19:01.08 | Flynn | and continue to flame |
| 19:01.15 | Flynn | its everytime i come in this chat |
| 19:01.25 | Flynn | makes me ashamed to be a Debian user & package maintainer |
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| 19:04.44 | simonlnu | ... |
| 19:04.56 | Armand | ,,, |
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| 19:05.23 | damacus | butthurt overload in here today |
| 19:05.47 | peterS | damacus: yes, well, moving on. (please.) |
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| 19:05.53 | damacus | aye |
| 19:05.53 | Armand | Yuh-huh.... tends to happen when someone puts their head...... *cough* |
| 19:06.06 | unrar | ohai |
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| 19:06.32 | peterS | hmmm, should I ask if unrar is free or nonfree? |
| 19:06.50 | unrar | Maybe it's non-free :( |
| 19:07.11 | Armand | zips unrar |
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| 19:07.35 | unrar | rars zipped unrar |
| 19:07.38 | Flynn | unrar has a libre version |
| 19:07.42 | Flynn | thats not in debians repos |
| 19:07.52 | unrar | good for me |
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| 19:07.54 | Flynn | but the libre version has trouble with version 3 rar files |
| 19:07.58 | Armand | So long as you're not *unzipping* unrar .. :P |
| 19:08.03 | Flynn | unrar is really free enough |
| 19:08.07 | Flynn | just use package debian provides |
| 19:08.09 | peterS | right, just wondering which unrar implementation just joined our channel |
| 19:08.09 | Flynn | its good |
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| 19:09.07 | unrar | My cousin tar is free. |
| 19:09.10 | unrar | (libre) |
| 19:09.12 | unrar | Isn't she? |
| 19:09.55 | peterS | well, are you related to gnu tar or star? |
| 19:10.53 | Armand | tucks a winzip key-gen into unrar's pocket |
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| 19:11.52 | Flynn | >winzip |
| 19:11.55 | Flynn | oh lord no |
| 19:12.02 | Armand | MUHAHAHAHA! |
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| 19:14.01 | Exio | hm |
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| 19:16.11 | unrar | Why why |
| 19:16.19 | unrar | Now Tux will kill me |
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| 19:16.45 | simonlnu | naw tux isn't into murder |
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| 19:17.37 | mllie | Hello |
| 19:17.40 | bitonic | what the hell? the CPU scales up with the `conservative' governor but not with the `ondemand' governor. |
| 19:18.04 | mllie | I get following error from apt-get update: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
| 19:18.07 | mllie | What to do? |
| 19:18.27 | nkuttler | !tell mllie about lenny security |
| 19:18.35 | simonlnu | bitonic: my (limited) understanding of 'ondemand' tells me that it's more "twitchy" |
| 19:18.39 | somiaj | mllie: leeny hasn't had security supports in a long time now. You don't get security in lenny basically |
| 19:19.01 | mllie | somiaj: ok, so what shall I do? |
| 19:19.07 | bitonic | simonlnu: yes but it doesn't scale up even if I run `stress -c 4' or whatever. it's just stuck to the lowest setting (800Mhz). and it's noticeable. |
| 19:19.21 | nkuttler | mllie: upgrade to squeeze |
| 19:19.21 | damacus | mllie: you need to switch your sources.list to use archive |
| 19:19.27 | simonlnu | wow. bug? |
| 19:19.28 | damacus | update to latest lenny |
| 19:19.31 | damacus | and then upgrade to squeeze |
| 19:19.40 | nkuttler | damacus: that won't magically give him security updates.. |
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| 19:20.19 | somiaj | mllie: remove the security.debian.org sources (and make sure your actual source point to archive.debian.org) |
| 19:20.24 | mllie | damacus and nkuttler ok, so what shall I change in my sources.list then? |
| 19:20.29 | damacus | mllie: https://pastee.org/7w98u |
| 19:20.44 | damacus | set your sources.list to that, and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:20.54 | damacus | thyen /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:21.03 | nkuttler | mllie: if you that you will be running an unsupported release without security updates |
| 19:21.05 | somiaj | mllie: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and read the release notes if you want to upgrade to a system with security support. Make sure you backup and read everything before you blindy try to upgrade, it is known to break fairly easy with the addition of udev |
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| 19:21.29 | mllie | damacus: what to remove then? https://pastee.org/q4qp |
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| 19:21.53 | mllie | nkuttler: oh, I see. Is it like somiaj that it may break? |
| 19:22.08 | damacus | mllie: just comment all of that out./ |
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| 19:22.51 | nkuttler | mllie: can you talk to the person who installed Debian on your box? |
| 19:23.05 | mllie | nkuttler: I did install |
| 19:23.11 | nkuttler | mllie: how did you install? |
| 19:23.18 | mllie | nkuttler: with cd |
| 19:23.28 | nkuttler | mllie: ok, then you should do what somiaj suggested |
| 19:23.34 | somiaj | mllie: if you follow the instructions on the order of upgrade and read all the release notes it will most likely work (But always backup as a safty net) |
| 19:23.38 | nkuttler | the /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze part |
| 19:23.58 | somiaj | if you just try to dist-upgrade without paying attention to the order, that is the issue. |
| 19:24.03 | Innocentus | I want to write a little shell script which executes some commands and also let them pipe to itself for further processing |
| 19:24.04 | Innocentus | however - appearently one can have only a shell script which accepts parameters or a shell script which can let other programs pipe to itself |
| 19:24.06 | Innocentus | but not both which I would like to have |
| 19:24.33 | nkuttler | Innocentus: try #bash |
| 19:24.34 | damacus | nkuttler: that is what i suggested too.. *after* he first ensures he's running all the latest lenny patches |
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| 19:26.26 | thekev | trouble with dependency comparison.. 1.5-1 is not >= 1.5.0, is "1.5" ? |
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| 19:30.02 | thekev | grrgh, no |
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| 19:31.01 | somiaj | thekev: what are you trying to do, just looks like a problem with being inconsistant in the versions |
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| 19:31.17 | somiaj | thekev: this custom packages or an issue with packages in debian? |
| 19:31.21 | thekev | it's the result of fpm listing dependencies from pip |
| 19:31.43 | thekev | there is no 1.5.0 in pip, but pip compares 1.5 >= 1.5.0 as true |
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| 19:34.16 | somiaj | what is fpm and pip I am not finding these packages in debian. |
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| 19:34.16 | thekev | fpm is a ruby gem https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/wiki |
| 19:34.16 | thekev | pip is python-pip |
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| 19:34.18 | thekev | fpm is super handy for "just make me a damn package" |
| 19:34.19 | thekev | I know what I need to do. I'll just get the source of the thing which is declaring ">= 1.5.0" and make it say ">= 1.5" |
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| 19:34.51 | somiaj | so your issue is with what? Are you making custom packages and the versions just aren't matching up messing with comparing the versions |
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| 19:35.23 | thekev | I'm making custom packages, and I'm annoyed at apt's version comparison logic |
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| 19:35.38 | thekev | but it is what it is, so I'll work around it |
| 19:35.38 | somiaj | that is usually figured out at build time based on the versions of the libs on your system (you are depending against). You might be able to put in some overrides in the debian/ directory but I'm not sure where |
| 19:35.52 | somiaj | maybe people at #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net could give better advise on your custom packages |
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| 19:36.20 | somiaj | are you using that fpm (doens't appear to be a debian tool) to make these packages? Or are you using the debian tools such as debian helper? |
| 19:36.20 | ivymike | trying to get a makefile to cooperate and I'm receiving the following: http://pastebin.com/g7RSLKu9 Am I correct in the assumption that I have to create a symlink between 'modules' and 'build' to get this to work? |
| 19:36.26 | thekev | this is not something ${shlibs:Depends} will resolve |
| 19:36.59 | thekev | but ${python:Depends} could... anyway, I got it handled. Hopefully this is the only edge case in my dependency map of 30 packages |
| 19:37.06 | cizra | Hi! Why does "libxvmc1 conflicts with libxvmc1:i386", preventing me to install 32-bit Nvidia libs? |
| 19:37.11 | somiaj | ivymike: how about you provide a bit more info. What kernel module are you trying to compile, how are you trying to compile it? |
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| 19:37.53 | somiaj | cizra: multiarch is still very new. libxvmc1 is not a multiarch enabled package. Check the BTS on the nvidia 32bit libs, there is a link to unoffical multiarch versions of libxvmc1 you can install to get around that issue. |
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| 19:38.16 | thekev | is this chan more basic help vs 15 years debian experience having packaging woes? |
| 19:38.19 | cizra | somiaj: Thanks! |
| 19:38.35 | thekev | (ok 13, I round up) |
| 19:38.48 | abrotman | thekev: there is a #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net .. I didn't see your question |
| 19:39.07 | somiaj | thekev: more general debian help (directed at debian squeeze). I suggested #debian-mentors as you will find people with more package making experience there |
| 19:39.13 | thekev | right |
| 19:39.14 | thekev | thx |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | thekev: what are you really trying to do |
| 19:39.25 | ivymike | somiaj: I'm trying to install http://www.iptv-analyzer.org/ under Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:39.31 | abrotman | somiaj: directed al all fversions of Debian |
| 19:39.35 | thekev | abrotman package python modules |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | at all .. versions |
| 19:39.53 | abrotman | thekev: there's a #debian-python on oftc also .. python packaging is "special" |
| 19:40.01 | somiaj | abrotman: he is having an issue where the depends on his custom package are being created as 1.5.0 as opposed to 1.5 causing an version comparrision issues. |
| 19:40.11 | somiaj | abrotman: I thought it was suggested testing/unstable goto #debian-next |
| 19:40.18 | thekev | for quick/dirty I'm using https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm/wiki |
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| 19:40.37 | abrotman | somiaj: that's like telling people that use amd64 that they should go to #debian-amd64 because it exists .. |
| 19:40.50 | thekev | but it's not too hard to just get the source tree and using pysupport if I need to |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | somiaj: all versions of Debian can be supported here |
| 19:41.14 | thekev | anyway, thanks for the pointer |
| 19:41.17 | somiaj | abrotman: I try to help out with any version of debian, but for some reason got the impression that more detailed testing/unstable support was best done elsewhere |
| 19:41.19 | abrotman | somiaj: debian-next just specializes in testing/unstable .. nothing more, nothing less .. neither place is 'more allowed' than the other .. |
| 19:41.21 | thekev | I'll shuffle along to oftc |
| 19:41.33 | somiaj | ivymike: do you have the linux-headers package installed for your kernel? |
| 19:41.53 | ivymike | aptitude install linux-headers-2.6 iptables-dev ? |
| 19:41.55 | abrotman | somiaj: but forcing wheezy/sid users to #debian-next is not the intention of that channel |
| 19:42.18 | ivymike | somiaj: i thought so |
| 19:42.30 | somiaj | ivymike: dpkg -l | grep linux-headers (I would start there) |
| 19:42.39 | ivymike | somiaj: <3 |
| 19:43.03 | somiaj | ivymike: I also don't see a decent instructions on how to build the module there. what command are you using the build the module? |
| 19:43.06 | darsie | is 'mkfs.msdos /dev/sdb' a good way to format an 8 GB USB stick for Windows and Mac compatibility? |
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| 19:43.38 | somiaj | darsie: I think you want vfat (msdos has a few slightly different file systems) |
| 19:43.47 | darsie | thx |
| 19:43.53 | kruug | so, I'm following dpkg's lenny->squeeze instructions, but I fail at the kernel install |
| 19:43.59 | somiaj | darsie: I use mkfs.vfat myself -- but seems that they are the same thing nowthat I look at the manpage |
| 19:44.11 | kruug | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.18-274.7.1.el5.028stab095.1 |
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| 19:44.31 | somiaj | kruug: that isn't squeezes kernel, that looks like some custom kernel. |
| 19:44.51 | darsie | somiaj: Sholud I make a partition? |
| 19:44.51 | abrotman | VPS |
| 19:44.58 | abrotman | it's the RHEL VPS kernel |
| 19:45.00 | kruug | abrotman: correct |
| 19:45.03 | kruug | :/ |
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| 19:45.31 | kruug | abrotman: does that mean I can't upgrade to squeeze? |
| 19:45.38 | abrotman | kruug: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 19:45.56 | somiaj | darsie: I would, but I have seen devices that don't and just put the file system on drive. Unsure how windows reacts to such things though. |
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| 19:45.59 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 19:46.00 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-35; sid: 2.13-36 |
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| 19:46.56 | kruug | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Yxy6KaYb |
| 19:46.57 | MarkG1234 | Hi, need some help with app-pinning. Read the howto, but it's not doing as I expect.. I on stable (wheezy) and I need a singe package from testing (esniper), my /etc/apt/preferences looks like this: http://pastebin.com/MVQ4irfM I have the testing repo added to my /etc/apt/sources.list What am I missing? |
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| 19:47.27 | abrotman | MarkG1234: wheezy is not stable |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | wtf is esniper? |
| 19:47.45 | abrotman | kruug: means you should talk to your hosting company about going to squeeze |
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| 19:48.25 | somiaj | MarkG1234: in general mixing stable and testing is a very very bad idea (this is what backports are for). As for your code names, not sure where you got those. |
| 19:48.28 | abrotman | !tell MarkG1234 about ssb |
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| 19:49.08 | abrotman | MarkG1234: and, esniper is in squeeze-backports, a *much* better method of getting that newer veresion |
| 19:49.14 | abrotman | !tell MarkG1234 about bpo |
| 19:50.05 | somiaj | MarkG1234: also it is better to use code names (squeeze instead of stable, wheezy instead of testing) in your sources.list |
| 19:50.15 | lolll | how long before wheeze becomes the new stable |
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| 19:50.53 | abrotman | lolll: when RC bugs reach 0 |
| 19:50.56 | somiaj | lolll: there is a bunch of guesses. When it is ready is the offical answer (sometime next year is the guess, but no date is set) |
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| 19:54.50 | MarkG1234 | Hmm, backports seems to involve compiling? Is this correct/ |
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| 19:55.08 | MarkG1234 | as that's not really an option on my embedded device. |
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| 19:56.31 | MarkG1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.21 | kullei | When installing default-jre I get java 1.5. how can I get 1.6? |
| 19:57.31 | ivymike | somiaj: obviously i dont have experience building software like this, i was just going off of the ./configure --> make --> make install |
| 19:57.46 | ivymike | somiaj: I googled my heart out but this seems to be niche |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | MarkG1234: see backports.debian.org .. it's already been created for you |
| 19:58.24 | ivymike | somiaj: what should i research for your question: what command are you using the build the module? |
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| 20:01.04 | jhutchins_wk | MarkG1234: It's possible you've gotten yourself into a mixed-release situation. That's difficult to recover from. |
| 20:01.11 | jhutchins_wk | !partial downgrade |
| 20:01.11 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 20:13.17 | getxsick | hi, i try to install a backport and get the following error: mercurial : Depends: mercurial-common (= 2.2.2-1~bpo60+1) but 1.6.4-1 is to be installed |
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| 20:39.38 | somiaj | ivymike: sorry moved locations...anyways, the ./configure then make are really supported by the person who made that third-party module. Do they have an INSTALL or README file that explains the procedure? |
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| 20:54.13 | keith4_ | Krim_: uh... use ssh? |
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| 20:54.38 | Krim_ | http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=235874 |
| 20:54.49 | Krim_ | keith4_ i'm having the same issue with putty over ssh |
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| 20:55.32 | cihhan | Hi all! My top output is truncating when I use "top -c -b". This is happening under Xen VM (DomU). When I change stty -columns 256, it is working, but now there are so many empty characters put at the end of each line. Any suggestions? |
| 20:55.38 | keith4_ | Krim_: that isn't a selection list, it's an informational dialog, isn't it? |
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| 20:56.18 | Krim_ | keith4_ its a selection list, i have to select the type of server |
| 20:56.23 | ompaul | cihhan: ssh in and see if the term behaves (just an idea) |
| 20:56.39 | cihhan | with ssh, it works all fine |
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| 20:57.54 | keith4_ | Krim_: no, it's not |
| 20:59.16 | Sidze | Hi everybody, I working on OpenVPN on Debian Squeeze and I have seen on some howtos they avoid to use chroot OpenVPN. Howtos said mkdir /etc/openvpn/jail and add this line in server.conf "chroot /etc/openvpn/jail" but It need to configure some others things to use OpenVPN in chroot or just this ? |
| 20:59.42 | Krim_ | keith4_ tab > OK got highlighted, its worded wierdly since it starts with "Please select..." lol |
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| 21:14.54 | confusid | How do I remove a gpg key? |
| 21:15.00 | confusid | gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 0x3b7ee764 gpg --export 0x3b7ee764 | sudo apt-key add - is what I used to add one. |
| 21:15.26 | Sm0ke0ut | this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 21:15.45 | confusid | uname -a |
| 21:15.46 | confusid | Linux porta 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 23 07:41:30 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:15.57 | confusid | deb squeeze. |
| 21:16.07 | wdouglass | find the keyid for what you want to remove |
| 21:16.17 | wdouglass | then 'sudo apt-key del keyid' |
| 21:16.17 | Sm0ke0ut | why are you using ubuntu's keyservers then? :-/ |
| 21:16.31 | confusid | 3rd party app |
| 21:16.46 | wdouglass | you can use 'apt-key' list to list your keyids |
| 21:16.54 | somiaj | you won't be able to add it that way, as ubuntu release are different than debian (thus different depends and the likes) |
| 21:18.27 | confusid | was trying to install and get this to work. http://omvviewer.byteme.org.uk/index.php/downloads/debian/ |
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| 21:18.41 | confusid | ty, looking for the key |
| 21:19.07 | Sm0ke0ut | I see :) |
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| 21:19.35 | Sm0ke0ut | In that case I'm sorry for assuming you were using Ubuntu :) |
| 21:19.53 | confusid | I didn't make my self clear in the start :) |
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| 21:21.30 | confusid | ok that seemed to be way to easy to remove the key :) |
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| 21:29.48 | jhutchins_wk | We can be a bit touchy about derivatives here. |
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| 21:30.17 | jhutchins_wk | Some of us have spent hours trying to fix someone's system, only to find out that it's not actually Debian and our fixes won't actually work. |
| 21:31.09 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: So did you get what you needed? |
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| 21:36.18 | confusid | I removed the key and the installed items so yes. Thank you! |
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| 21:36.40 | confusid | I was hopeing to use something like evemon but seems all the version of gtkevemon for linux does not run for me. |
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| 21:37.08 | confusid | then I was looking for a Viewer that would work with SL but 64 bit. And I failed there also. These would all be 3rd party items |
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| 21:45.58 | luisbg | I need to use GooCanvas in python, but there is no gir-goocanvas-2.0 package :( not even in experimental |
| 21:46.04 | luisbg | it has been out for months |
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| 21:47.11 | luisbg | anybody has any ideas? |
| 21:47.50 | jimcooncat | it's not in python's own package manager (I'm thinking python may have the equivalent of ruby gems) |
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| 21:47.55 | jimcooncat | ? |
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| 21:48.18 | luisbg | jimcooncat, ? |
| 21:48.29 | justin_ | luisbg: package it yourself? |
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| 21:49.40 | luisbg | justin_, unfortunately I don't have the time :( |
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| 21:52.14 | jimcooncat | it's PyPI! |
| 21:52.37 | luisbg | http://paste.debian.net/209378/ |
| 21:52.47 | luisbg | that is what happens when I try to make install (from source) |
| 21:52.56 | luisbg | builds fine, but errors when make installing :S |
| 21:53.33 | nsadmin | luisbg, debian has a module squirter for perl... maybe it has one for python too |
| 21:53.37 | jimcooncat | the Python Packaging Index. I tried looking up GooCanvas there but my old browser can't deal with it |
| 21:53.49 | luisbg | jimcooncat, haven't heard about this |
| 21:53.52 | justin_ | luisbg: did you tell the people who wrote goocanvas? |
| 21:53.53 | luisbg | can you please explain :) |
| 21:54.01 | nsadmin | until you specify what errors you get, there is no possible way to help with that |
| 21:54.07 | jimcooncat | http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=index |
| 21:54.53 | luisbg | nsadmin, they are in the paste I linked |
| 21:55.09 | AlexLikeRock | after i used qemu , my RAM is full, then everything appear like that http://picpaste.com/pics/54-EbC1oTDC.1352929967.png |
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| 21:55.19 | AlexLikeRock | what can i do to nextime ? |
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| 21:55.26 | nsadmin | (and the "I don't have time" thing is older than dirt... you're either going to spend time or not get the result you want) |
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| 21:55.48 | AlexLikeRock | and like thath http://picpaste.com/pics/36-fCD3AVxp.1352930131.png |
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| 21:55.57 | luisbg | jimcooncat, nothing for GooCanvas there |
| 21:56.10 | AlexLikeRock | i fixed , rebooting the machine |
| 21:56.18 | jimcooncat | luisbg: that's too bad, sorry |
| 21:56.21 | AlexLikeRock | but i dont like |
| 21:57.07 | luisbg | jimcooncat, thanks for the idea :) too bad |
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| 22:00.41 | jhutchins_wk | luisbg: What's it developed on? Somethnig like Fedora or RH? |
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| 22:03.49 | jimcooncat | luisbg: what about the python-pygoocanvas package? |
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| 22:07.27 | luisbg | jimcooncat, that is goocanvas 1.0 |
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| 22:07.37 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk, fedora apparently |
| 22:07.53 | luisbg | I can get 2.0 in C, but not in python/gi |
| 22:08.18 | nsadmin | so you may have to write the python bindingd |
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| 22:08.49 | nsadmin | for that, you may be able to get clues from the source of the bindings in 1.0 |
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| 22:10.16 | luisbg | nsadmin, looking into how to do so with gobject-introspection |
| 22:10.28 | jhutchins_wk | luisbg: It's likely the config/make scripts are not set up to detect the Debian filestructure. You can read through them and see what they're trying to do, and READ the error messages for what's not working, and you can probably get it to build and install on your system. |
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| 22:10.55 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk, that is a good point |
| 22:10.58 | luisbg | going to give that a try |
| 22:11.12 | jhutchins_wk | luisbg: You might contact the developer and offer to do testing on Debian if he will help prep it for the differences. |
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| 22:11.44 | jhutchins_wk | luisbg: These would be steps toward eventually introducing the package on the official repos. |
| 22:11.53 | luisbg | cool |
| 22:13.02 | jhutchins_wk | luisbg: You might hit frustrating dependency version problems, but since it compiles yet does not install I think the filestructure is more likely the culprit. |
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| 22:13.48 | themill | luisbg: pygoocanvas hasn't been updated for over 4 years. I'm not surprised it hasn't been updated in debian. |
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| 22:14.16 | bronaugh | anyone here using zfsonlinux with debian? |
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| 22:14.49 | themill | luisbg: unless the developers moved to a different homepage without leaving any forwarding information... |
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| 22:15.34 | luisbg | themill, you are looking at 1.0 |
| 22:15.39 | luisbg | themill, 2.0 is a few months old |
| 22:15.55 | luisbg | themill, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/goocanvas/2.0/ |
| 22:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | themill: This was updated a couple years ago: https://live.gnome.org/GooCanvas |
| 22:16.30 | themill | luisbg: goocanvas != pygoocanvas |
| 22:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | Er, just last year. |
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| 22:18.56 | luisbg | themill, ooooh sorry |
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| 22:19.20 | luisbg | I thought pygoocanvas were the python bindings of goocanvas |
| 22:19.40 | themill | they are. but pygoocanvas hasn't been updated for ages |
| 22:20.07 | themill | bindings don't magically make themselves just because someone releases a new version of the C library |
| 22:20.11 | Pnoexz | Hello, i installed the package php5-gd on stable and even though did reload the config files for apache ("Reloading web server config: apache2."), the change only applied once i restarted the server using apache2ctl. Should this be considered/reported as a bug? |
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| 22:21.43 | luisbg | themill, current bindings (in other distros) are autogenerated with gobject introspection |
| 22:22.05 | luisbg | so in this case you can say they magically make themselves :P |
| 22:23.10 | bronaugh | Pnoexz: doesn't sound like a feature... |
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| 22:24.08 | nsadmin | luisbg, that's a good sign... you'd have to find the 2.0 bindings if they exist on the other dists, and see how they did it... then apply that to debian |
| 22:24.13 | Pnoexz | bronaugh: well, i would say reloading the apache config is a feature, its just not enough |
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| 22:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | Pnoexz: apache can be funny depending on the server load. Sometimes it "sticks". |
| 22:26.02 | bronaugh | well... |
| 22:26.04 | jhutchins_wk | Pnoexz: Sometimes the only way to be sure is to do a full stop, check that all processes have ended, then a clean start. |
| 22:26.13 | bronaugh | a graceful restart won't nuke processes serving up data. |
| 22:26.25 | bronaugh | so you can end up with a stale copy. |
| 22:26.48 | Pnoexz | jhutchins_wk: well, theres is no apache load, as its my personal computer |
| 22:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: which changes in particular were not applied? |
| 22:27.25 | themill | bad luisbg, you increased the RC bug count for wheezy by one. We're supposed to be fixing bugs not finding them right now :) |
| 22:27.40 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: i was getting php errors about libgd functions not being declared |
| 22:28.03 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: oh, and then you installed php5-gd, and only reloaded apache? |
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| 22:28.53 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: well, dpkg said it reloaded the apache config, but that didnt reload the php.ini which makes the link between them |
| 22:29.16 | Pnoexz | so it should either: do nothing or do it right |
| 22:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: right, because that's part of the php module, not apache. I'm not sure if the php module always rereads its configuration |
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| 22:30.55 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: indeed, but if the php module doesnt reread the configs, shouldnt php5-gd not make apache reload the config? |
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| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: checking, I think it actually does reload the configuration. Are you sure you weren't seeing client caching? |
| 22:32.00 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: not 100%, but yes |
| 22:32.29 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: well, I'd check that first. You can easily disable the gd module, reload apache, and then check phpinfo to see whether that worked. |
| 22:32.30 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Point being that if the PHP module triggers apache to do something, it needs to be the right something to load the new module. |
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| 22:32.54 | jhutchins_wk | er, triggers dpkg to do something I guess. |
| 22:33.31 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason why libapache2-mod-php5 can't reload its configuration on a reload; it's pretty trivial to do |
| 22:33.34 | Devastator | how do I check with which options my kernel was compiled? I need to check if I have user_xattr support |
| 22:33.42 | dondelelcaro | so if it's not, then that's where the bug is |
| 22:34.10 | dondelelcaro | Devastator: /proc/config.gz or /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 22:34.33 | nsadmin | Devastator, I think in recent kernels there's something in /proc |
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| 22:34.44 | nsadmin | plus you can look at the grub config |
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| 22:35.18 | nsadmin | oh, compiled, I missed that and thought you meant booted with |
| 22:35.52 | Pnoexz | in case you want to see, this is the aptitude output: http://pastebin.com/7wV7JrnY |
| 22:36.00 | Devastator | nsadmin hehe, no worries |
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| 22:36.07 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: yeah, the aptitude output isn't particularly useful |
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| 22:36.32 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: i know, but thats all i can offer |
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| 22:38.27 | dondelelcaro | Pnoexz: no worries; just before filing an actual bug, you should reproduce the problem using GET or wget or curl or similar with phpinfo so that you can reproduce the problem easily. |
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| 22:40.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:40.19 | DexterF | iceweasel in stable: how do I save the session so tabs are restored on next restart? |
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| 22:42.11 | Pnoexz | dondelelcaro: i have never reported a bug on debian, ill probably put this on hold until i have some free time.. thanks for the help |
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| 22:42.25 | bronaugh | Pnoexz: it's not superhard. |
| 22:42.36 | bronaugh | there's a 'reportbug' command. |
| 22:42.36 | Pnoexz | im sure it isnt, bronaugh |
| 22:42.56 | Devastator | dondelelcaro thanks! |
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| 22:43.41 | DexterF | can one re-init input devices? I access a debian machine via x11vnc but occasionally some mod keys like shift are stuck. can't do anythign about it |
| 22:43.42 | Pnoexz | that reminds me, is there a reason the installer chooses not to use UUID for the partition which mount point is / when generating the fstab? |
| 22:44.12 | bronaugh | phoohb: seems to do it here. |
| 22:44.15 | bronaugh | er. Pnoexz |
| 22:44.55 | Pnoexz | it did use UUID for the swap partition, but went for /dev/sdb1 for the / partition |
| 22:45.21 | jhutchins_wk | Pnoexz: Which installer? |
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| 22:45.53 | Pnoexz | jhutchins_wk: win32-loader |
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| 22:45.58 | themill | DexterF: you can either use the session manager extension or use a newer iceweasel from backports (/msg dpkg iceweasel backports) or both |
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| 22:46.07 | bronaugh | Pnoexz: yeah ok. I've never used that. |
| 22:46.10 | Pnoexz | well, whichever win32-loader uses |
| 22:46.20 | bronaugh | just the usual debian text installer for me. |
| 22:46.24 | Pnoexz | felt like netinstall |
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| 22:46.54 | Pnoexz | but i havent installed Debian in quite a while |
| 22:47.27 | Pnoexz | I did manage to solve it, but it caused me a lot of stress |
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| 22:48.02 | Pnoexz | im just curious if this was a "feature" or an issue |
| 22:48.10 | DexterF | themill: guess that means I have to bookmark this session as the addon will need a restart. |
| 22:48.12 | nsadmin | no, you chose to feel stress |
| 22:48.19 | DexterF | man I wish I could Opera there... |
| 22:48.49 | themill | DexterF: there's a bookmark all tabs as folder option, isn't there? |
| 22:49.15 | Pnoexz | DexterF: to be quite honest with you, stable's iceweasel is too old, you will barely find working addons, the navigation feels awful.. i believe its not worth it |
| 22:50.10 | DexterF | themill: seriously? if there is one I didnt see the forest for the trees. I'm not that good around FF because quite frankly I hate it. it's a requirement in that situation tho, hence... |
| 22:50.17 | herrkey | You can try setting browser.startup.page to 2 or 3 in about:config |
| 22:50.41 | damacus | DexterF: ^-shift-d to bookmark all tabs |
| 22:50.46 | damacus | also FF10 is in squeeze backports |
| 22:50.58 | scientes | or you can download firefox from mozilla.org |
| 22:51.01 | scientes | and get ff16 |
| 22:51.06 | Pnoexz | DexterF: if you _require_ firefox, iceweasel is not gonna cut it |
| 22:51.13 | Pnoexz | download firefox |
| 22:51.15 | scientes | or mozilla.debian.net also has firefox |
| 22:51.20 | scientes | Pnoexz, that is not true, at all |
| 22:51.29 | scientes | Pnoexz, they are the same thing |
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| 22:51.38 | scientes | its just that iceweasel in debian is an older version |
| 22:51.49 | Pnoexz | scientes: yes and no, firefox 3.6 and iceweasel are the same thing |
| 22:51.49 | herrkey | Something that might work, as a hack, is going to private browsing mode and closing the browser. |
| 22:51.52 | scientes | unless you go to experimental or mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:52.06 | herrkey | When you start it up again, it should give you your old tabs back. |
| 22:52.07 | bronaugh | ff 3.6... heh. |
| 22:52.14 | bronaugh | lulz |
| 22:52.16 | bronaugh | all I have to say. |
| 22:52.17 | damacus | ,v iceweasel |
| 22:52.18 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-19; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-19; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.10esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.10esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.10esr-1; |
| 22:52.19 | judd | experimental: 16.0.2-1 |
| 22:52.24 | damacus | seriously... use backports. |
| 22:52.35 | themill | DexterF: right click on the tab→bookmark all tabs? |
| 22:52.36 | Pnoexz | oh, 3.0.6, i thought it was 3.6 |
| 22:52.37 | herrkey | Just get the freaking binaries from firefox.com, then. |
| 22:52.47 | themill | DexterF: I *think* that's there in 3.x too |
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| 22:52.51 | scientes | Pnoexz, that is lenny |
| 22:52.52 | bronaugh | on Squeeze it's 3.5.16 |
| 22:52.56 | damacus | phenom: lenny is 3.0.6, squeeze is 3.5 |
| 22:52.58 | bronaugh | which is still pretty sad |
| 22:53.03 | damacus | squeeze bpo is 10.0 |
| 22:53.10 | themill | dpkg: tell bronaugh about stable |
| 22:53.13 | Pnoexz | scientes: ok, granted.. its 3.5.. big difference |
| 22:53.19 | bronaugh | *cough* 19.0a1 |
| 22:53.34 | themill | bronaugh: that's available from mozilla.debian.net what's your point? |
| 22:53.37 | scientes | bronaugh, i use nightly too, but i can't get anything better than 16 from experimental on my arm laptop |
| 22:53.42 | scientes | (without compiling myself) |
| 22:53.58 | scientes | or also mozilla.debian.net... |
| 22:54.06 | bronaugh | themill: ok, so backports are great and all; I think we can agree with that. when you install, why are you not presented with the option of enabling backports right then and there? |
| 22:54.19 | bronaugh | themill: why, instead, do you have to fart around finding out that they even exist? |
| 22:54.28 | scientes | take your trolling elsewhere bronaugh |
| 22:54.51 | bronaugh | scientes: I don't see this as trolling. I see this as a legitimate question. |
| 22:55.00 | Pnoexz | i dont think backports are great |
| 22:55.07 | bronaugh | why -should- someone have to learn all the miniscule details of a system in order to have stability and reasonably modern software? |
| 22:55.21 | herrkey | I agree about backports suckiness. |
| 22:55.22 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: Backports bring in instability? |
| 22:55.23 | jhutchins_wk | bronaugh: They don't. Buy Apple. |
| 22:55.24 | nkuttler | bronaugh: if you want stability you don't use backports |
| 22:55.34 | damacus | bronaugh: backports are there for people who largely need stable, but do want some select packages newer. |
| 22:55.35 | scientes | nkuttler, not neccicarily |
| 22:55.46 | scientes | upgrading a leaf package wont break the system |
| 22:55.50 | damacus | bronaugh: if you wanted newer stuff fully from the get-go, you'd just choose testing or sid. |
| 22:55.53 | themill | scientes: it can break that package |
| 22:55.58 | nkuttler | scientes: backports are less tested than the stable release, and if you had no breakage until now you've been lucky |
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| 22:56.41 | scientes | themill, yes, but firefox is a highly tested package |
| 22:56.47 | themill | scientes: orly |
| 22:56.48 | damacus | we use debian stable for a financial system here, and frankly, i'd be super pissed if debian was constantly arsing around with the version of the browser in the release. |
| 22:56.48 | scientes | (outside of debian) |
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| 22:56.57 | scientes | lol |
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| 22:57.14 | bronaugh | you do realize I proposed adding it as an -option- in the installer... |
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| 22:57.17 | themill | bronaugh: the existance of backports is well documented including in the release notes. A question in the expert install about it might be appropriate but then if you're doing the expert install, you can probably copy+paste a single line |
| 22:57.21 | jhutchins_wk | bdo are good, well scrutinized, and unlikely to break things, which is why they've been adopted into the official repositories, but they are not as certainly stable as stable in general. |
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| 22:57.30 | bronaugh | I didn't prpose turning it on by default. |
| 22:57.31 | damacus | bronaugh: irrelevant. |
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| 22:58.00 | damacus | backports are for those who know what they're doing and are ready to accept the risks, and will have no problem doing it by hand or wrapping it into their configuration management. |
| 22:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | I really agree that it is the user/administrator's responsibility to educate themselves about the system they're running, and even a little poking around on the web site will greatly inform you. |
| 22:58.26 | bronaugh | so what you're saying then, is that Debian is only for server environments and has no place on the desktop. |
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| 22:58.31 | confusid | installing cups will that allow me to use a printer on a network? |
| 22:58.34 | bronaugh | am I reading all of you correctly? |
| 22:58.45 | nkuttler | bronaugh: no |
| 22:58.49 | scientes | bronaugh, firefox 3.5 is alot faster than ie7 |
| 22:59.01 | scientes | and people still use ie7 (not to mention more secure) |
| 22:59.15 | nkuttler | confusid: it's a good first step |
| 22:59.16 | nsadmin | damacus, and we both know that anyone who wants newer (sns) stuff will go for it |
| 22:59.36 | LtL | confusid: yes you can use a network printer via cups |
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| 22:59.36 | nsadmin | bronaugh, you can use it for whatever you want |
| 22:59.36 | herrkey | What IE people use is not a good parameter. |
| 22:59.49 | Pnoexz | i wouldnt call them people, herrkey |
| 23:00.01 | herrkey | Droids. |
| 23:00.03 | damacus | bronaugh: no, that's what *you're* saying. and you're wrong / misunderstanding the argument |
| 23:00.06 | damacus | it's a question about stability. |
| 23:00.22 | Pnoexz | * |
| 23:00.35 | herrkey | At least IE version numbers are still meaningful. |
| 23:00.46 | bronaugh | right, stability. that mythical beast that only exists in fairly tales |
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| 23:00.53 | Pnoexz | version numbers are meaningless |
| 23:00.53 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:01.02 | bronaugh | because for newer hardware, you need to pull in a newer kernel; otherwise you end up with an *unstable system* |
| 23:01.22 | bronaugh | the only way to get absolute stability is to run everything from the stone age. |
| 23:01.26 | damacus | bronaugh: read some joel on software about "code rust" |
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| 23:01.44 | damacus | yes, and there are newer kernels in backports when needed. |
| 23:01.48 | Pnoexz | is there a bug count for the next stable? |
| 23:01.49 | nkuttler | bronaugh: take it to #debian-offtopic if you don't have a support question |
| 23:02.08 | Pnoexz | or an estimate date? |
| 23:02.11 | nkuttler | Pnoexz: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 23:02.22 | Pnoexz | thanks nkuttler |
| 23:02.25 | themill | dpkg: tell Pnoexz about wwwr |
| 23:02.34 | bronaugh | nkuttler: ok. kinda bored of this "discussion" anyways. |
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| 23:02.43 | LinuxIn | somebody know about the support on debian |
| 23:02.52 | LinuxIn | the driver of my wirless netwrok |
| 23:02.58 | LinuxIn | BCM4313 |
| 23:03.02 | herrkey | "I'm" also bored about "this" "discussion". |
| 23:03.24 | nkuttler | !tell LinuxIn about bcm4313 |
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| 23:03.34 | Pnoexz | LinuxIn: can you formulate your question into one or two sentences? will make everybody's life easier |
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| 23:04.00 | LinuxIn | ok |
| 23:04.09 | LinuxIn | Pnoexz |
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| 23:04.19 | nsadmin | LinuxIn, lspci -nn | grep -i new |
| 23:04.22 | LinuxIn | thanks for de answere! |
| 23:04.24 | nsadmin | how many lines |
| 23:04.36 | nsadmin | sorry |
| 23:04.42 | nsadmin | LinuxIn, lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 23:05.09 | LinuxIn | wait |
| 23:05.20 | nsadmin | how many lilnes? |
| 23:06.49 | nsadmin | not waiting too long. |
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| 23:08.43 | confusid | can I install lib32 and lib 64 so I can run 32 bit applications and the normal 64? I'm guessing the lib64 is already installed on a 64bit system? |
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| 23:09.34 | Pnoexz | Package: libphp-jpgraph (debian/main). 691933 [P+ ] [STU] libphp-jpgraph depends on contrib: ttf-mscorefonts-installer <= the nerve on some people |
| 23:10.06 | nsadmin | File a bug |
| 23:10.28 | nsadmin | or that is a bug report? |
| 23:10.34 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: me? i am reading the bug reports |
| 23:10.42 | nsadmin | oh ok :) |
| 23:11.09 | scientes | what is it going to take to get debian to adopt systemd? |
| 23:11.29 | nsadmin | test it |
| 23:11.30 | Pnoexz | every once in a while i like doing a check on bugs to see if theres something i can help with.. so far ive had 0 luck |
| 23:11.40 | nsadmin | systemd is packaged |
| 23:11.46 | scientes | nsadmin, i am using it |
| 23:11.46 | themill | scientes: a different upstream would probably help. Working on all release architectures is necessary too. |
| 23:11.50 | scientes | it is on version 44 |
| 23:11.54 | scientes | which is ancient |
| 23:12.07 | scientes | themill, it runs on all architectures that linux runs on |
| 23:12.15 | themill | scientes: so? |
| 23:12.18 | nsadmin | then it looks like work may have been dropped? |
| 23:12.20 | scientes | (although supposedly the journal may have difficulties still on 64-bit big-endian) |
| 23:12.44 | scientes | nsadmin, no, systemd was merged with udev, and both those packages are being held back until after wheezy is released |
| 23:13.21 | themill | scientes: if your boot system being "ancient" is a problem, then that boot system is not ready for widespread use |
| 23:13.35 | themill | (where "ancient" in this case is 6 months old) |
| 23:13.37 | scientes | i had _zero_ difficulties running it on a no-unaligned-memory-accesses architecture (armv5) |
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| 23:13.41 | nsadmin | and wheezy is frozen... systemd is not the solution to a critical bug, so it's probably going to have to wait |
| 23:13.49 | scientes | themill, i still use systemd 44 |
| 23:14.02 | nsadmin | and how is that for you? |
| 23:14.02 | themill | scientes: yes, I'm still able to read |
| 23:14.03 | scientes | but i want new features like hardware watchdog integration |
| 23:14.23 | nsadmin | are they written? |
| 23:14.51 | scientes | nsadmin, yes in newer version of systemd |
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| 23:15.14 | scientes | version 44 is good, don't get me wrong |
| 23:15.29 | engla | scientes: wheezy is frozen, that's all there is to it |
| 23:15.41 | scientes | engla, i know that part |
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| 23:15.51 | themill | (so why are we having this discussion?) |
| 23:15.52 | scientes | i'm not talking about in wheezy |
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| 23:16.19 | scientes | like the fact that sysvinit is still an "essential: yes" package, so removing it is difficult |
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| 23:17.03 | nsadmin | and other than that, work will have to be done |
| 23:17.35 | dondelelcaro | scientes: right, but it's not like you actually have to remove sysvinit |
| 23:17.37 | scientes | nsadmin, what do you mean? |
| 23:17.43 | scientes | dondelelcaro, i do |
| 23:17.47 | dondelelcaro | scientes: why? |
| 23:17.57 | scientes | dondelelcaro, you need to if you want shutdown, etc, to call systemd |
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| 23:18.10 | scientes | and "telinit/init" to work |
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| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | uh... doesn't the systemd package divert init? |
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| 23:18.59 | scientes | dondelelcaro, yes, but that is in the systemd-sysv package, that conflicts: with sysvinit |
| 23:19.20 | nsadmin | let's get to the definitive question... does debian actually plan on switching to it? |
| 23:19.22 | scientes | you can run systemd with just the systemd package |
| 23:19.34 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: no |
| 23:19.47 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: at least, not in the near future |
| 23:19.48 | scientes | arch has switched full-on, and fedora is of course very much into systemd |
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| 23:20.26 | dondelelcaro | primarily because if we want to switch, we want to switch to one init system for all of the architectures we have |
| 23:20.32 | engla | the right time to decide on switching is after wheezy is released |
| 23:20.35 | dondelelcaro | and currently, systemd's upstream isn't interested in any other architectures |
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| 23:21.53 | omani_ | two machines. same .bashrc. but only one of both users has LANG="en_EN.UTF-8" set. how come? |
| 23:21.59 | omani_ | locale -a same. default locale same. everything. |
| 23:22.11 | omani_ | and there has not have to be a LANG var exported in .bashrc. |
| 23:22.18 | omani_ | the user who has LANG set in his env has NO .bashrc LANG exported. |
| 23:22.25 | themill | omani_: how are you logging into these machines? ssh? |
| 23:22.25 | omani_ | so please could someone explain me this? |
| 23:22.30 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:22.42 | omani_ | I mean no |
| 23:22.46 | omani_ | no ssh |
| 23:23.09 | themill | so that's "yes, no, maybe, umm"? How are you logging into these machines? |
| 23:23.14 | nsadmin | are these machines several feet away? |
| 23:23.27 | confusid | I installed system-config-printer and I can print :) |
| 23:23.42 | omani_ | nsadmin: I'm currently logged in with ssh. but I know that LANG is set anyway, because it's my workstation |
| 23:23.51 | omani_ | so LANG=en_EN.UTF-8 is set on my workstation |
| 23:24.00 | omani_ | and here at home, I have LANG=POSIX |
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| 23:24.10 | omani_ | same bashrc |
| 23:24.14 | omani_ | noh export LANG |
| 23:24.16 | omani_ | -h |
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| 23:24.27 | nsadmin | can't follow this without a scorecard... |
| 23:24.42 | engla | what about /etc/default/locale |
| 23:24.45 | omani_ | same |
| 23:24.48 | themill | omani_: please try to explain what you're doing in full sentences on one line. It's really hard to understand what you're saying here, and I still don't know how you're logging into these machines. |
| 23:24.48 | omani_ | environment same |
| 23:24.53 | omani_ | /etc/environment |
| 23:25.31 | omani_ | themill: what was it you did not understand? |
| 23:25.32 | Gabtendo | Does the wheezy beta 3 installer let me resize a volume to make room for wheezy, or should I do that beforehand with gparted? |
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| 23:25.43 | nsadmin | the thing is your story is changing "ssh yes/no/yes" for one part |
| 23:25.44 | omani_ | two machines. same environment, but different LANG env settings |
| 23:25.59 | codygman | gparted? Parted seems to be way faster to use for me... maybe it's because I have lots of partitions. |
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| 23:26.05 | nsadmin | I think I counted three machines |
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| 23:26.11 | omani_ | I said yes first, then no, because I thought that you would imply that it's because of my ssh client logging into that machine |
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| 23:26.47 | codygman | Gabtendo: The insaller should let you resize I volumne I'd think, but I'm not totally sure. |
| 23:26.52 | nsadmin | just tell the truth, don't worry about how we might interpret it |
| 23:26.53 | Gabtendo | codygman: I usually just run gparted from a disk |
| 23:26.58 | omani_ | nsadmin: ok |
| 23:27.02 | omani_ | this is the truth |
| 23:27.04 | Gabtendo | codygman: hmm |
| 23:27.05 | jren207 | Hello all, I'm just wondering if anyone can help me. I've searched as much as I can but I'm not sure what to do next. I'm trying to get an Atheros AR9382 wireless card to connect at 802.11N speeds via WPA2 using the Ath9k driver, iw, and wpa_supplicant in Wheezy. It currently only seems to connect to an N AP at G speeds. I've tried nl80211 as well as wext but it's still the same. I've pasted |
| 23:27.05 | jren207 | some information here: http://paste.debian.net/209387/. All help, (or pointers to where I can find specific help) would be appreciated. |
| 23:27.15 | omani_ | my workstation has LANG=en utf8 |
| 23:27.16 | codygman | Gabtendo: I usually just run a shell from a netinst lol |
| 23:27.35 | Gabtendo | o :P |
| 23:27.35 | omani_ | but this computer (I'm writing now) has LANG=POSIX |
| 23:27.47 | dondelelcaro | omani_: and what is set on that computer in /etc/environment? |
| 23:27.57 | nsadmin | I think we should slow down for one moment... at this moment, you are sitting in front of a computer? |
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| 23:28.01 | omani_ | and I compared both machines. same bashrc, same os, same /etc/enviroment, same /etc/default/locales |
| 23:28.01 | themill | omani_: and how are you logging in to each of these machines to check this? |
| 23:28.09 | Gabtendo | connects to IRC as root |
| 23:28.11 | nsadmin | what would we call it? |
| 23:28.14 | Gabtendo | ( :O ) |
| 23:28.15 | omani_ | even same /etc/pam.d/su, /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 23:28.33 | omani_ | themill: loggin into workstation with this computer. |
| 23:28.39 | omani_ | with ssh |
| 23:29.36 | nsadmin | omani_, what name can we call the computer connected to the keyboard you're typing on? |
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| 23:29.42 | omani_ | foo |
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| 23:30.01 | omani_ | foo_pc |
| 23:30.21 | nsadmin | ok, foo. is foo one of the two machines you referred to as the ones you're comparing LANG on? |
| 23:30.27 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:30.43 | omani_ | and bar_pc (my workstation at company) has LANG correctly set. |
| 23:30.45 | nsadmin | and, foo is within a few feet of you? |
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| 23:30.54 | omani_ | nsadmin: I'm sitting in front of it |
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| 23:31.12 | nsadmin | ok, cool... so bar is remote at this moment? |
| 23:31.15 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:31.35 | nsadmin | ok, cool :) thanks for clarifying |
| 23:32.13 | nsadmin | are there other machines involved (perhaps because you're connecting with or thru them)? |
| 23:32.21 | omani_ | no |
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| 23:33.03 | omani_ | well, it's a vpn connection to the company, so ofc there are firewall, gateway, etc. involved. but anyway: no. |
| 23:33.05 | nutron | is the testing installer able to be dd'ed to a usb stick still like the squeeze one? |
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| 23:33.29 | nsadmin | have you looked at .bash_profile and .bashrc on foo? (same q for bar) |
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| 23:33.58 | themill | omani_: how do you log in to foo? |
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| 23:34.08 | nsadmin | and, does .profile exist on foo or bar? |
| 23:34.25 | omani_ | themill: first openvpn connection to company, then ssh into bar. |
| 23:34.36 | omani_ | nsadmin: bar has no .bash_profile |
| 23:34.36 | themill | eh? |
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| 23:34.46 | omani_ | themill: sry |
| 23:34.59 | omani_ | into foo, I log in with slim (login manager) |
| 23:35.09 | omani_ | and get a gnome dm |
| 23:35.15 | nsadmin | that/s good but not the question... he wants to know how you log into the machine you're sitting in front of (oh, ok, thanks) |
| 23:35.21 | themill | omani_: so gnome is going to be setting your local language |
| 23:35.37 | omani_ | themill: but at bar, I'm using gnome dm daily |
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| 23:35.48 | omani_ | so why should it be different on foo |
| 23:35.56 | themill | omani_: but you're not logging into bar via gnome at the moment |
| 23:36.02 | omani_ | themill: that's right |
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| 23:36.09 | omani_ | themill: but gnome is running there |
| 23:36.14 | themill | doesn't matter |
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| 23:36.17 | themill | and you've also not checked your gnome settings on both machines |
| 23:36.17 | cali | I am getting "Connections: blacklisted: 0.0.0.0" with Xvnc4 on debian wheezy, anybody already experienced that? |
| 23:36.17 | omani_ | ok |
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| 23:36.31 | omani_ | so how do I check that? |
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| 23:37.16 | themill | omani_: LANG etc are an environment variable -- they change from process to process and are inherited from parent processes (gnome vs sshd) unless deliberately set differently (which ssh should do for you) |
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| 23:37.50 | omani_ | didn't know gnome is setting my env variables |
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| 23:39.15 | nsadmin | remember to get that all processes have their own set of environment variables, and they can be changed independently of any other process |
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| 23:40.07 | nsadmin | themill did say this; I want to make absolutely sure you understand that part |
| 23:40.27 | omani_ | ok then what is different on bar, that makes it set its env vars correct? |
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| 23:40.42 | omani_ | and what am I missing on foo exactly |
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| 23:45.23 | nsadmin | omani_, yes, it seems that way |
| 23:45.35 | omani_ | themill: but without ssh. when I'm sitting at bar, I have LANG= set correctly |
| 23:45.47 | themill | yes |
| 23:45.50 | nsadmin | in fact your original statement is evidence that it's true |
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| 23:46.19 | omani_ | ok |
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| 23:47.02 | nsadmin | and you log into bar when you're sitting in front of it by typing your stuff in at gdm? |
| 23:47.16 | omani_ | so how can it be that same files (like counted above), same configuration, same environment (gnome, debian squeeze, etc.) leads to different LANG settings? |
| 23:47.32 | themill | you don't have the same configuration for gnome |
| 23:47.34 | omani_ | I mean, of course I can export LANG with en_EN.utf-8 and everything is ok |
| 23:47.54 | omani_ | but on bar, there is no LANG exported in bashrc. that's what confuses me |
| 23:47.55 | themill | you need to set the language in gnome |
| 23:48.06 | nsadmin | "how can it be ..." -> different ways of logging in |
| 23:48.30 | omani_ | nsadmin: yes, by typing in at gdm |
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| 23:48.45 | nsadmin | but we should already have that understanding |
| 23:48.54 | omani_ | ok |
| 23:49.07 | omani_ | so that means slim and gdm do it different |
| 23:49.20 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 23:49.26 | themill | sure. and you need to configure gnome. |
| 23:49.32 | omani_ | or I haven't set my gnome settings yet |
| 23:49.36 | themill | is running out of ways of saying this |
| 23:49.36 | omani_ | themill: yes |
| 23:49.41 | nsadmin | themill, the one on foo? |
| 23:49.45 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:49.48 | omani_ | on foo. right here. |
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| 23:50.00 | omani_ | so how do I do this? except keyboard layout, etc. |
| 23:50.02 | omani_ | on gnome |
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| 23:50.20 | nsadmin | there should be a configuration panel |
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| 23:52.18 | omani_ | themill: they are the same |
| 23:52.37 | omani_ | gnome language settings are stored in $HOME/.dmrc |
| 23:52.50 | omani_ | on foo and bar both they're the same |
| 23:53.25 | nsadmin | something about the connection is not honoring (or at least not passing) that setting |
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| 23:53.45 | omani_ | which connection? |
| 23:53.55 | nsadmin | the one from foo to bar |
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| 23:54.21 | nsadmin | perhaps the setup of that connection does not use any gnome stuff at all |
| 23:55.13 | nsadmin | the quick (but copout) way is to just set LANG like you point out above, which makes everything behave correctly |
| 23:55.40 | omani_ | yeah. let me switch to gdm for testing purpose |
| 23:55.44 | omani_ | I'll be back. |
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| 23:57.53 | omani_ | nsadmin, themill: ok. just switched to gdm3. and logged in right now. |
| 23:58.03 | omani_ | I have locales set to "en_EN.UTF-8" oO |
| 23:58.23 | omani_ | indeed. gdm does it. |
| 23:58.26 | nsadmin | so, it's working? |
| 23:58.28 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:58.49 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 23:59.08 | omani_ | ok so with slim (login manager) I have to do a bashrc export |
| 23:59.28 | omani_ | no way of getting it working the other way |
