| 00:00.47 | nsadmin | is it that you like slim? |
| 00:00.55 | omani_ | slim is minimalistic |
| 00:01.03 | omani_ | yeah, kinda simple |
| 00:01.37 | nsadmin | you could still use slim, and as you say, you would have to set a var |
| 00:01.38 | omani_ | but with gnome I should stick with gdm3 |
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| 00:02.23 | themill | as a general rule, slim is kind of broken. It's "minimal" in the sense that it doesn't do a lot of things that you expect a dm to do. |
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| 00:03.15 | omani_ | themill: yeah. it is that gdm preloads things that gnome needs for a session |
| 00:03.38 | themill | not just gnome |
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| 00:07.23 | omani_ | ok guys let me thank you. first I confused you. second you convinced me. slowly but surely we reached our goal. |
| 00:07.26 | omani_ | gj. |
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| 00:14.46 | enferex | How can I specify for make-kpkg to build the kernel as kernel.img and not as vmlinuz-blah-blah ? |
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| 00:17.30 | akurczyk | hello, is it possible to install a whole desktop enviroment after installation on debian? i'm installing debian base system on my usb flash drive inside virtualbox using usb 1.1 port emulation :(. after installation i would be able to boot pc from it and then install the rest of the system. which command sould i use to install this desktop enviroment? is it in some metapackage? |
| 00:18.26 | nkuttler | akurczyk: which DE do you want to use? |
| 00:21.14 | akurczyk | gnome |
| 00:21.30 | akurczyk | but i want to install everything like with normall installation with de |
| 00:21.37 | nkuttler | !tell akurczyk about install gnome |
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| 00:23.19 | confusid | What is the safest way to install and run 32 bit programs on a 64 bit system? |
| 00:23.24 | akurczyk | so i just have to install xorg and gnome and it will install everything like with normall installation? |
| 00:23.38 | akurczyk | confused, virtual machine |
| 00:23.51 | confusid | that doesn't help for one application :/ |
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| 00:24.09 | akurczyk | but it is the safest method :D |
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| 00:24.25 | visof | hello |
| 00:24.28 | akurczyk | hello |
| 00:24.38 | Arrowmaster | akurczyk: is it debian squeeze or wheezy? |
| 00:24.44 | akurczyk | 6 |
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| 00:25.04 | visof | is there a way to access browser history not from the browser itself, something like write bash-script to store it somewhere ? |
| 00:25.34 | akurczyk | i have tryied just apt-get install gnome some time ago and then i had many problems with starting x |
| 00:25.43 | Arrowmaster | akurczyk: oh if it was wheezy you could just aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
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| 00:25.53 | akurczyk | ok, thx |
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| 00:28.00 | herrkey | visof you can copy it manually from the browser |
| 00:28.35 | visof | herrkey: how ? |
| 00:28.47 | herrkey | right click on "today", for instance, and choose copy |
| 00:28.52 | visof | i'm using google-chrome |
| 00:29.02 | herrkey | oh |
| 00:29.13 | visof | can i do this using bash script ? |
| 00:29.19 | herrkey | should be even easier, then |
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| 00:30.03 | herrkey | I'm not sure you can rummage for that kind of thing in the user confs... |
| 00:30.20 | Anaphaxeton | can i dd the small cd in a usb stick? |
| 00:31.12 | herrkey | Yes. |
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| 00:31.47 | herrkey | visof, it seems chrome does have a "history" file among the user configuration files... |
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| 00:36.51 | enferex | How can i specify the Maintainer when using make-kpkg ? |
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| 00:37.02 | enferex | I didnt find the maintainer bit it in the man page |
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| 00:37.45 | omani_ | enferex: why don't you just google for it first? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/make-kpkg-and-maintainers-name-496101/ |
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| 01:02.16 | r3m | ,v wine-gecko |
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| 01:16.14 | confusid | I'm not able to play avi files with mplayer or vlc. Is there a codec I need to download? |
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| 01:17.24 | engla | avi is a container format so which codec needed depends on what encoder was used for that file |
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| 01:18.59 | confusid | I installed the avifile-* codecs |
| 01:19.16 | confusid | Is there a way to scan the file to see what codec was used? |
| 01:19.31 | themill | ffprobe / avprobe |
| 01:19.55 | confusid | ty |
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| 01:25.46 | confusid | mpg4 and mp3 needed. |
| 01:25.51 | confusid | I'm guessing thats non free. |
| 01:28.44 | themill | not true. vlc should do that for you without hassle -- you might want a newer vlc from backports if you're running squeeze |
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| 01:31.53 | confusid | themill: where can I find information about what backports might work? I've googled and googled and am finding very little information on this. |
| 01:32.04 | justin_ | confusid: mplayer outputs a large number of information when playing a file. pastebin it. |
| 01:32.31 | confusid | just installed vlc from backport and black screen again. |
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| 01:35.39 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/209414/ |
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| 01:41.53 | justin_ | confusid: does mplayer -vo x11 awesome-lorax.avi work? |
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| 01:42.49 | confusid | justin_: yes |
| 01:43.04 | justin_ | confusid: you don't have a codec problem you have a video driver problem |
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| 01:43.20 | confusid | :) |
| 01:43.39 | justin_ | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 01:43.41 | confusid | Would this be why the home movies also don't play? |
| 01:43.58 | justin_ | yes |
| 01:43.58 | confusid | intel something. |
| 01:44.05 | confusid | not sure how to pull it up |
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| 01:44.19 | justin_ | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:44.56 | confusid | lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 01:45.15 | confusid | the laptop came with win 7 on it. |
| 01:45.31 | justin_ | what are you running? squeeze? wheezy? |
| 01:45.34 | confusid | squeeze |
| 01:45.49 | justin_ | ah. probably has something to do with the problem |
| 01:45.55 | confusid | ? |
| 01:46.01 | confusid | driver not supported fully yet? |
| 01:46.44 | justin_ | squeeze is old... |
| 01:48.24 | confusid | I have the 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 kernel installed. |
| 01:49.01 | confusid | is there a way to upgrade the driver from backports? |
| 01:49.08 | justin_ | would be xorg... |
| 01:49.23 | justin_ | xserver-xorg-video-intel is the specific package |
| 01:49.25 | themill | !bpo xorg |
| 01:49.25 | dpkg | The backports.debian.org repository contains updated xorg components (in particular video drivers) for squeeze. Ask me about <bdo> to enable and use this repository. See http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html for information on the xorg backports. |
| 01:49.52 | confusid | also there is one upgrade of the kernel I have not done yet. Would that be a good idea also? |
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| 01:50.43 | confusid | ok same way as the kernel upgrade and vlc.. just the package name and force it to look at the backports.. ty |
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| 01:51.49 | jimcooncat | neat, I didn't know gparted gives the UUID of a partition. I can just copy and paste it into my /etc/fstab ! (doesn't take much to amuse me) |
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| 01:52.12 | justin_ | jimcooncat: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
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| 01:54.19 | jimcooncat | that too. If I mount this in my fstab as /mnt/backups , do I mkdir /mnt/backups before using, or no? |
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| 01:54.41 | justin_ | yes |
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| 01:54.49 | confusid | would apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 be the safe and correct way to remove that specific kernel from the system? |
| 01:54.56 | jimcooncat | thanks much, justin |
| 01:55.10 | kakashi_ | hi, can somebody please tell me where the binary - 'source' (as in the source command) reside? |
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| 01:55.31 | confusid | initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 and now linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 are on my system. |
| 01:55.37 | justin_ | kakashi_: it's a shell builtin |
| 01:55.45 | kakashi_ | ah |
| 01:55.59 | confusid | brb |
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| 01:56.52 | jimcooncat | kakashi_: Do "help source" in your shell for more info |
| 01:57.05 | kakashi_ | thanks! |
| 01:57.20 | aah | testing |
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| 01:58.57 | confusid | woohoo |
| 01:59.01 | confusid | You guys rock!! |
| 01:59.11 | confusid | the screen is even clearer when in xfce now |
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| 02:00.33 | jimcooncat | we wiped it for you while you weren't looking |
| 02:01.02 | confusid | hehehe |
| 02:01.14 | dvs | hides the squeege |
| 02:02.00 | jimcooncat | oh I hate the "reboot after playing with fstab" feeling. see you later, I hope |
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| 02:03.41 | rhapsodhy | o/ |
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| 02:04.10 | rhapsodhy | i've got no idea why i'm gettingthis error: |
| 02:04.15 | rhapsodhy | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences.d/iceweasel, no Package header |
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| 02:04.21 | rhapsodhy | the package header is clearly there |
| 02:04.53 | rhapsodhy | oh fuck |
| 02:05.02 | rhapsodhy | whitespace in the beginning of line |
| 02:05.10 | rhapsodhy | nvm |
| 02:05.33 | rhapsodhy | btw, is the kernel coming from experimental any good? |
| 02:07.10 | scientes | rhapsodhy, yes |
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| 02:07.22 | rhapsodhy | why isn't new kernel getting into sid? |
| 02:07.35 | scientes | cause thats what they do during a freeze |
| 02:07.48 | rhapsodhy | oh, right |
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| 02:10.48 | rhapsodhy | i suspect this means that once wheezy is out we'll get a huge bunch of packages upgraded suddenly, right? |
| 02:10.52 | voltagex | hi, I'm getting dpkg-gensymbols: warning: debian/tmp/DEBIAN/symbols doesn't match completely debian/libmono-2.0-1.symbols.amd64 when trying to build a deb - is there anyway I can regenerate or ignore this file? |
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| 02:11.22 | dvs | rhapsodhy: not if your sources.list is set up right. |
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| 02:20.58 | rhapsodhy | dvs: what does that mean? |
| 02:21.42 | sary | Salutation! |
| 02:21.46 | dvs | It means the auto update depends on what is specified in your sources.list file |
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| 02:21.58 | sary | I happen to hae the same question as in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=79051 |
| 02:22.15 | sary | *have, |
| 02:23.00 | sary | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=herrie |
| 02:23.20 | mns | what's a good way to copy data over the network ? I'm copying from MacOSX to my Debian system ? I'd like to preserve timestamps as much as possible. |
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| 02:26.25 | Uuni | Goodnight, friends. |
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| 02:37.40 | scientes | mns, copy locally with cp -a |
| 02:37.46 | scientes | or if you can't do that, use nfs |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | rsync |
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| 02:40.21 | Cyclohexane | How can I use exim to pull the emails off an IMAP account and then forward them to my gmail? |
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| 02:41.24 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: exim is an smtp server |
| 02:41.38 | mns | scientes: nfs would be slow. seems like for what I want to do, I can use: scp -pr -c arcfour since I dont care about security |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | mns: one time copy, or many? |
| 02:42.17 | mns | abrotman: one time. |
| 02:42.21 | Cyclohexane | abrotman: does it matter? I just it to pull the e-mails from an IMAP server |
| 02:42.22 | themill | Cyclohexane: you'd use something like fetchmail to do that |
| 02:42.40 | Cyclohexane | themill: does fetchmail forward too? |
| 02:42.42 | themill | Cyclohexane: exim only receives emails, it doesn't go off and get them for you |
| 02:42.45 | mns | I have to hand over my laptop tomorrow at work since its my last day. Just want to copy all my stuff over. |
| 02:43.00 | abrotman | mns: honestly, i'd tar it all up, cp the tar file off |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | looks for lastjob.tar |
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| 02:44.31 | mns | abrotman: yup that is there too. thanks. |
| 02:44.38 | mns | dont know why I didn't think of that. |
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| 02:49.00 | abrotman | unless you expect to need the data any time soon .. a tgz is just as good :) |
| 02:49.28 | mns | most of it is Videos and Pictures so I dont think compression will be effective. :) |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 02:50.06 | mns | and I will need a lot of that stuff soon enough. |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | wonders what kind of work mns does where most of 'work' is videos and pictures .. |
| 02:50.35 | mns | scp I can just fire it up and let it continue overnight (400GB almost) |
| 02:51.10 | mns | lol abrotman, those are hte personal things that ended up on there. Its a MacBook that I was given and it was nice to make use of iMovie, etc. |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 02:52.49 | abrotman | isn't buying it |
| 02:52.55 | Infiltrator | mns: So... lots of "movies" were "made" at "work"? |
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| 02:53.10 | Devastator | porn star.. |
| 02:54.10 | Infiltrator | Devastator: You ruined my innuendo by being explicit. :( |
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| 02:55.13 | Infiltrator | mns: I'd reccomend grabbing an external HD for the transfer; it'll happen quicker. |
| 02:55.14 | Devastator | Infiltrator I was going to say your nickname tells me you work in the same agency as him, but then I looked at mine.. :( |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | darn foreigners .. |
| 02:55.57 | Infiltrator | Devastator: Yeah; yours is kinda worse if we're going to get into that... |
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| 02:56.17 | Infiltrator | abrotman: That needs more context. :) |
| 02:56.20 | NoDLL | hello, which document management system do you recommend most? |
| 02:56.48 | Infiltrator | NoDLL: Depends on your needs. |
| 02:56.49 | themill | NoDLL: you might need to define "document management system" |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | uses mkdir |
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| 02:59.04 | mns | Infiltrator: lol @ movies made at work .. there certainly were some that could have been made. as for an external drive, well it is to an external drive, but its one that's connected to my Debian system. and formatted as ext3. |
| 02:59.21 | mns | I really should keep a NAS and/or a SAN at home. |
| 02:59.35 | NoDLL | Infiltrator , themill : it will be used for fla and doc files most of the time. All I know about htem is they are not version control systems and may suit better to control history changes on binary files than git and svn |
| 03:00.12 | Infiltrator | mns: Well, I mean: connect the extrenal HD to the mac because that will copy faster than over the network. |
| 03:00.41 | NoDLL | %s/htem/them |
| 03:00.52 | mns | Mac will not do ext3. supposedly there is a way with MacFuse but I dont have the time to try it out at the moment. |
| 03:01.35 | mns | and away it goes ! |
| 03:01.46 | Infiltrator | Fair enough. |
| 03:01.47 | mns | lets hope it keeps going :) |
| 03:01.52 | mns | have a good night folks. |
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| 03:06.18 | Infiltrator | NoDLL: So you want to be able to access old versions and the current version? |
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| 03:10.37 | NoDLL | Infiltrator: yes, including the access control |
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| 03:29.30 | nickpaolike | whats the best, most pain free way to install wheezy at this point? use the new debian installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 03:30.35 | dvs | up |
| 03:30.40 | dvs | yup |
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| 03:31.48 | nickpaolike | those dont come with firmware? or just the daily images? |
| 03:32.11 | abrotman | do you need firmware ? |
| 03:32.22 | dvs | they don't come with firmware |
| 03:32.22 | abrotman | !firmware images |
| 03:32.23 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. For DVD images, see http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 03:33.00 | nickpaolike | thanks |
| 03:33.45 | nickpaolike | thats stable though |
| 03:33.52 | abrotman | okay |
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| 03:36.34 | nickpaolike | i see there are images if you go backwards into the tree of the link above. thanks |
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| 03:39.34 | Devastator | why when I set "supersede domain-name "mydomain.lan"" in dhclient.conf I get domain line together with search? Is it possible to get only domain line? |
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| 03:42.10 | somiaj | Devastator: have you checked the manpage for dhclient.conf, it mentions different options that you could try. |
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| 03:46.51 | somiaj | I guess the only thign I see is you could set the domain-search default, but it might still put that line in your resolv.conf |
| 03:49.58 | sary | anyone got herrie installed! I am trying to find the proper glib dependencies package for it. my attempt is to install it from source! |
| 03:50.55 | Devastator | somiaj yep.. I think there's no way around |
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| 03:51.55 | somiaj | sary: is there a configure script? You can read the log to see what failed and should be able to track down the missing -dev libary that way. |
| 03:52.39 | sary | somiaj: hello |
| 03:52.47 | sary | well, yes there is .. |
| 03:52.50 | sary | ~/herrie/herrie$ ./configure |
| 03:52.52 | sary | Error: GLib not found |
| 03:53.15 | sary | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=herrie |
| 03:53.38 | sary | https://github.com/bwesterb/herrie/tree/master/herrie |
| 03:53.41 | somiaj | sary: so read the conf.log or configure.log file it makes, and figure out what it coudln't find. But sounds like you need libglib2.0-dev |
| 03:53.51 | somiaj | ,versions libglib |
| 03:53.52 | judd | No package named 'libglib' was found in i386. |
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| 03:53.55 | somiaj | ,versions libglib2.0-dev |
| 03:53.57 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; sid: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-3; wheezy: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-3; experimental: 2.34.2-1 |
| 03:54.30 | somiaj | sary: you might want to apt-get install build-essential while you are at it if you haven't built sorce before |
| 03:54.38 | sary | ah! alright .. thanks for the hint somiaj :-) |
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| 03:58.29 | tidux | what the hell is wrong with the KDE build in Wheezy? |
| 03:58.43 | tidux | Plasma Workspace segfaults all the damn time without leaving me enough information to file a worthwhile bug report |
| 03:58.52 | tidux | phantom widgets are showing up that I never put there |
| 03:59.00 | tidux | and come back after I remove them and log back in |
| 03:59.23 | tidux | and replacing KWin seems broken |
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| 03:59.29 | somiaj | and there are no other bugreports about this? Have you made sure everything is upto date or have any unoffical/mixed packages that could be messing things up? |
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| 03:59.59 | tidux | I've looked through the bug reports and haven't seen anything yet, although my eyes sometimes jump around lists without me meaning to so I may have missed one |
| 04:00.01 | tidux | I'll look again |
| 04:00.12 | tidux | I'm running straight packages from Wheezy |
| 04:00.34 | tidux | the only non-wheezy things I have are iceweasel from experimental and handbrake from debian-multimedia |
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| 04:03.16 | tidux | no, the plasma-desktop package has a couple of other bug reports mention segfaults |
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| 04:03.38 | tidux | but I haven't been able to isolate what's causing the segfaults, so I haven't filed an official report |
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| 04:03.56 | tidux | if I filed with the information I had, it'd go straight to the back of the line or get slapped "vague, wontfix" and ignored |
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| 04:08.23 | sney | tidux: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net may be able to point you in the right direction |
| 04:08.29 | tidux | alright, thanks |
| 04:08.46 | tidux | I'll just stick to Awesome until KDE gets sorted out |
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| 04:53.10 | blarg | hi all |
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| 04:53.56 | blarg | can someone tell me how to force a system to load up an nvidia module on boot? update-alternatives allows me to select the module, but it does not load on boot. i can modprobe the module manually, it just doesn't load. |
| 04:55.29 | sney | blarg: stick it in a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 04:56.24 | blarg | sney: just found that. thx. |
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| 05:06.30 | tapout | just ognna use pcregrep |
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| 05:08.28 | visof | i want to run script every 3 second, what should cron be ? |
| 05:09.10 | tapout | */3 ? |
| 05:09.13 | tapout | rather |
| 05:09.14 | visof | is there a way to know program is running or not ? |
| 05:09.17 | tapout | */20 |
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| 05:19.21 | delirium | visof / tapout: wouldn't a */3 in the first section run every 3 minutes? Cron doesn't have a section for seconds, this site has a work around with a shell script and a sleep timer http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/07/cron-every-5-minutes/ |
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| 05:46.24 | sney | sometimes it's crazy busy in here |
| 05:46.28 | sney | but most things do work out of the box |
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| 06:38.47 | enferex | Hi, I am using make-kpkg to build a kernel. It builds fine. But i need the resulting image to have a different name "kernel.img" instead of "vmlinux..." How can I change this. |
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| 07:06.19 | subb1 | hi all. |
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| 07:07.28 | subb1 | I'm having a debian5. with php 5.2.6-1+lenny9. I need to upgrade it to 5.3.2 for my mediawiki to work. Any recommendations? |
| 07:08.41 | karimb | subb1, checking testing s version to see it provides this package you need |
| 07:09.33 | Infiltrator | ,v php |
| 07:09.34 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
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| 07:10.52 | Sm0ke0ut | squeeze supports 5.3. Are you still on Lenny @ subb1 ? |
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| 07:11.19 | subb1 | unfortunately yes Sm0ke0ut. The server upgrade is yet to happen for us. |
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| 07:13.36 | Sm0ke0ut | if you can, you should really do that :) There might be some backports available to get the "latest" version, but in the end Lenny is longer supported |
| 07:13.55 | Sm0ke0ut | no longer* |
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| 07:15.14 | subb1 | sure Sm0ke0ut, will do that. By the way is this recommended: http://goo.gl/YlmVV |
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| 07:16.01 | karimb | subb1, seemed an acceptable way to solve your problem |
| 07:16.51 | fleeky | hi, so my nivida card died today. the motherboard i have has onboard video, but when i try to just switch the cable to the onboard video the kernel just screams for the nvidia card.. whats the best way to go about bypassing the nvidia stuff for the moment to use the onboard video while i wait for the rma to come back? |
| 07:17.10 | fleeky | basically, main video card dead. want to use onboard video. debian doesnt want to use the onboard video |
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| 07:18.00 | fleeky | running wheezy/sid |
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| 07:21.58 | sonicfrst | exit |
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| 07:24.31 | chewed-on | helo ? |
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| 07:26.36 | ChrisH | 250 chewed-on Pleased to me you |
| 07:26.50 | farciarz84 | hi, I have debian wheezy and xfce. I would like to upgrade xfce to 4.10 version. The questions are: how to make it and why 4.10 xfce isn't in wheezy officially? |
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| 07:27.13 | ChrisH | ,v xfce |
| 07:27.14 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 07:27.18 | chewed-on | Hello everyone |
| 07:27.33 | ChrisH | ,v xfce4 |
| 07:27.34 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 07:27.35 | chewed-on | Is there any built in mechanism on Debian that would automatically detect infinite while loops and terminate the loop ? |
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| 07:28.19 | farciarz84 | ChrisH: how to install this experimental package? |
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| 07:29.03 | ChrisH | farciarz84: a) Why do you need 4.10? b) do not mix |
| 07:29.22 | seachdamh | farciarz84: experimental package are often broken / incomplete. You realy need it? |
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| 07:30.18 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell farciarz84 about version chasing |
| 07:30.31 | farciarz84 | well, I was using 4.10 on different distro and everything was stable. 4.10 looks much nicer |
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| 07:38.16 | subb1 | The issue is that: I have an apache 2.2.9 with php 5.2.3 on debian lenny and have a wikimedia running on it live. I need to upgrade wikimedia to latest which requires php 5.3 and greater. So will a upgrade by "apt-get php install" do good since I'm seeing php is executed by apache as its dso module in "apache2ctl -M". Please help. |
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| 07:39.17 | hyper_ch | I have in a raid1 this in /proc/mdstat --> md2 : active raid1 sda3[2](S) sdb3[1] ---> what does the (S) for sda3 mean? I got a message that it failed but shouldn't that be (F)? |
| 07:39.50 | jelly-home | subb1: if you want to keep using Debian's php build you'll probably have to upgrade the whole OS to Debian 6 |
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| 07:41.46 | peterrooney | subb1: lenny is so far out of security |
| 07:41.57 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell subb1 about lenny->squeeze |
| 07:42.00 | jelly-home | subb1: this may break other things of course, so tread carefully. |
| 07:42.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell subb1 about squeeze release notes |
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| 07:46.14 | subb1 | jelly-home, oh. But could you tell me this - consider this debian5 obsolete out of scenario. If we upgrade php on system with apt-get install php5, will this have effect since php is handled by apache'd module as I see the output from "apache2ctl -M" |
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| 07:47.09 | jelly-home | subb1: you can't easily use packages from lenny+1 on lenny, more things will break than doing a complete OS upgrade |
| 07:47.46 | jelly-home | binary dependencies make such an attempt problematic |
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| 07:49.44 | jelly-home | a custom build of php 5.3.x like you suggest on ##linux is an option |
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| 07:50.27 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 07:50.28 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 07:51.01 | jelly-home | dpkg, frankendebian =~ s/#linux/##linux/ |
| 07:51.02 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
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| 07:51.55 | jelly-home | hm, that only works on freenode |
| 07:52.06 | Takis_GR | why if i not enter nomodeset in grub my pc freeze after some minutes??? |
| 07:52.20 | jelly-home | buggy drivers, Takis_GR |
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| 07:53.20 | Sm0ke0ut | subb1: to drive with an elephant on top of the wheel; probably not ;-) |
| 07:53.53 | myth | how to configure the kernel to boot from nfs directory ? |
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| 07:54.04 | ompaul | Takis_GR: I just answered that on OFTC - don't ask in two places please |
| 07:54.06 | nsadmin | Takis_GR, what happens if you don't? |
| 07:54.18 | Sm0ke0ut | Anyhow; I'm not sure about the backport you provided. I personally 'never' use backports @ subb1 |
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| 07:54.20 | jelly-home | nsadmin: his pc freeze? |
| 07:54.21 | ompaul | nsadmin: it has to do with nvidia nuttyness |
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| 07:54.36 | nsadmin | so his pc freezes either way? |
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| 07:54.59 | jelly-home | Sm0ke0ut: there is, and there was, no useful backport for his situation in Debian |
| 07:55.12 | jelly-home | ,v libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 07:55.13 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-9; wheezy: 5.4.4-9; experimental: 5.4.8-1 |
| 07:55.31 | nsadmin | is WOOWOO! not fam YOBABYYOBABYYO! iliar with nuttyness... |
| 07:55.59 | Sm0ke0ut | :-) |
| 07:56.03 | jelly-home | nsadmin: no, his question had a negation already |
| 07:56.10 | ompaul | nsadmin: put the crack pipe down :) |
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| 07:56.46 | nsadmin | what? it's cracked? that's dangerous! |
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| 07:57.16 | ompaul | nsadmin: the code got into the wild yesterday ... (enuf or offtopic) |
| 07:57.17 | myth | I have a new machine and I need to boot from lan cz it doesnt have hardisk, so my doubt is about the kernel how to configure it to boot from nfs directory? |
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| 07:58.26 | nsadmin | hmm. thin client. first you need its mac address, and to control your dhcp server |
| 07:58.31 | nsadmin | can you do the latter? |
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| 07:59.11 | myth | nsadmin is it to me? |
| 07:59.19 | nsadmin | yes |
| 07:59.27 | myth | so I already did |
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| 07:59.35 | myth | dhcp configured |
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| 08:00.04 | nsadmin | ok, how far ahead did you get? |
| 08:00.13 | myth | I can boot from netboot or other dist |
| 08:00.24 | myth | using inird from there |
| 08:00.28 | myth | and linux kernel |
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| 08:00.34 | myth | but I need to boot from nfs |
| 08:00.42 | myth | cz I don't have hard disk |
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| 08:01.28 | myth | I have a storage... like freenas |
| 08:01.53 | myth | and I need to have a kernel who point there |
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| 08:02.28 | myth | nsadmin did u got it? |
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| 08:02.50 | nsadmin | got that part... so, nfs root... I need to redirect you for that, I tried to get into those things but it didn't work out for me... I think, you need in the grub config and in /etc/fstab of the root, you need to specify the nfs mount of the / partition... |
| 08:03.48 | nsadmin | once you can do that and it succeeds in mounting, then you can worry about additional nfs mounts (like /home, /usr, and others) |
| 08:04.10 | nsadmin | do you watch the dhcpd log while you try booting? |
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| 08:04.42 | myth | nsadmin I'm thinking to install it and make a modifications, and copy to the nfs, reconfiguring the kernel root file |
| 08:05.36 | nsadmin | oh, ok... I wonder what the good ways of doing that are. you mean install onto your freenas? |
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| 08:06.56 | nsadmin | there is a way to have the dhcp server recognize your machine's mac addr and respond by feeding it a kernel, and do things from there... often, "do things" means boot the debian installer |
| 08:06.58 | myth | nsadmin yes, or in a usb disk, and after copy the modificated system to the freenas... and the new kernel to the tftp to run pxe |
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| 08:08.30 | myth | nsadmin but think, If I'm configuring a cluster with more than 60 machines... I don't wanna install it again in each VM |
| 08:09.22 | nsadmin | you didn't say that (err well... I didn't see that) |
| 08:10.02 | myth | so I'm thinking the best solution to create all nodes just 1 time |
| 08:10.03 | nsadmin | so then either the copy way or fai would be the better ways |
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| 08:10.51 | nsadmin | you would have to tell the dhcp all the mac addrs |
| 08:11.22 | myth | nsadmin it will be hard |
| 08:12.46 | myth | is there solution to make the kernel boot from nfs without needed to install again the dist |
| 08:12.48 | myth | ? |
| 08:12.53 | nsadmin | that part is just typing a 12:34:56:78:9a:bc |
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| 08:13.20 | myth | yap but need to find all mac from all nodes |
| 08:13.34 | nsadmin | are you thinking of not pxe-booting the machines? |
| 08:13.34 | myth | and without hardisk |
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| 08:13.59 | myth | will need to liveboot |
| 08:14.05 | myth | to get mac from ifconfig |
| 08:14.16 | myth | yes pxe is the best solution I think |
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| 08:14.41 | nsadmin | that could be as simple as having a "network" with one machine which has arp or rarp, and see what machine comes when you connect the wire |
| 08:15.06 | nsadmin | then collect the mac into a file |
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| 08:16.49 | myth | but for that I needed to have installed systens right? |
| 08:16.49 | nsadmin | anyway, maybe you can install once and also have one copy of most of the system |
| 08:17.10 | nsadmin | one installed system, whose job is to collect the macs |
| 08:17.24 | myth | I got now |
| 08:17.47 | myth | great idea |
| 08:17.49 | nsadmin | (that would be one way... I'm not feeling so strong on this subject, I can come up with ideas all day but havent' tried them) |
| 08:17.49 | Getterac7 | So i'm running Debian Squeeze and having system clock problems. I'm in EST and currently "date" returns that it's 23:17, when it should actually be 03:17. Also hwclock --utc returns 08:17, but hwclock --localtime returns 01:17... What the heck is going on? |
| 08:18.30 | Getterac7 | oh, my tzdata is set to New York (which is EST) |
| 08:18.44 | myth | nsadmin: I'll try for you ahah |
| 08:18.58 | myth | but I still don't have solution to the kernel |
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| 08:19.13 | nsadmin | ok, and, you also need someoen experienced with some of the details if not all of them |
| 08:19.58 | myth | should be great but I just know google |
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| 08:20.13 | nsadmin | Getterac7, you need your tz vars set so that the machine thinks your hwclock is on UTC, then when you set your time zone to new york, it should give you the right time |
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| 08:21.18 | myth | nsadmin: but thanks |
| 08:21.20 | nsadmin | well that's the recommended way especially if you don't have also windows on your machine (if you do, it doesn't understand ntp or timezones other than as the setting on your hwclock |
| 08:22.02 | Getterac7 | nsadmin: alright, i thought i did that by using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and setting to New York (which it already was). And I do not run Windows on the machine. |
| 08:22.21 | nsadmin | myth, np, what do you see as your next step? |
| 08:22.31 | Takis_GR | i need to downgrade a package from wheezy to sid. How can do it??? |
| 08:22.55 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.58 | myth | nsadmin: I'll try to look for some solution to have a kernel reconfigured to boot from nfs file without needed to install dists |
| 08:24.02 | Takis_GR | wheezy has newer version than sid. |
| 08:24.09 | Takis_GR | :) |
| 08:24.13 | nsadmin | of what package? |
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| 08:24.57 | nsadmin | myth: that would be for the other 59 machines? |
| 08:25.05 | Takis_GR | sid=xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.13.0-7_i386.deb wheezy=xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.19.0-6_i386.deb |
| 08:25.22 | myth | nsadmin: it will be 95 |
| 08:25.36 | nsadmin | it's hard to trust my fingers |
| 08:25.41 | myth | non-checked |
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| 08:25.47 | nsadmin | for typing |
| 08:26.05 | nsadmin | now the other part, are they all the exact same machines? |
| 08:26.15 | myth | not man |
| 08:26.21 | myth | it's the worse part |
| 08:26.39 | nsadmin | you may need a few different installs then |
| 08:27.02 | nsadmin | can you group the machines into sets where the hardware is the same? |
| 08:27.06 | myth | I'm worried about the kernel |
| 08:27.16 | myth | cz the rest is just copy and paste |
| 08:27.36 | nsadmin | , v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 08:27.37 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.5-1 |
| 08:27.43 | myth | some groups yes |
| 08:27.47 | myth | other not |
| 08:28.16 | nsadmin | so you can make some groups, and for the rest they each are different |
| 08:28.30 | nsadmin | that is the worst part alright |
| 08:28.45 | Takis_GR | i saw that versions here: http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=intel |
| 08:28.59 | nsadmin | currently they're the same version |
| 08:29.11 | nsadmin | but be that as it may... which one do you want? |
| 08:29.16 | myth | it will be done, but I'm not happy to think to install the system from 0 |
| 08:29.28 | myth | I'm thinking to clone my server here |
| 08:29.48 | myth | for some group to test with a new kernel |
| 08:29.57 | nsadmin | what if you replace the ones that are all different? |
| 08:30.08 | nsadmin | how many would that be? |
| 08:30.43 | myth | there are groups of 4 processors |
| 08:31.09 | myth | and motherboards I still don't know exactly |
| 08:31.29 | nsadmin | so you may not be able to answer that question now |
| 08:31.54 | nsadmin | what are the 4 processors? |
| 08:32.29 | Getterac7 | nsadmin: so after changing the hwclock to the correct UTC time, and changing my TZ to EST, and finally a reboot, everything is fixed and `date` gives the correct time now :D |
| 08:32.39 | myth | I'm thinking to get some group who I expect the same MB, and try to clone the server directories to a nfs system.. and create a new kernel |
| 08:32.55 | Getterac7 | nsadmin: thanks for the help :) |
| 08:32.59 | myth | to have a test about this way to work |
| 08:33.03 | nsadmin | Getterac7, cool :) you may wish to consider ntp |
| 08:33.08 | nsadmin | if you're not already |
| 08:33.31 | Getterac7 | nsadmin: yes, i installed ntp before the reboot. Hopefully it will keep things in sync. |
| 08:34.00 | myth | nsadmin there are intel quad cores, core 2 duo, and amd dual and celeron |
| 08:34.08 | nsadmin | yes, likely it shoudl be fine |
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| 08:34.44 | nsadmin | all of thoes are arch amd64 with the possible exception of the celery |
| 08:34.50 | nsadmin | celeron |
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| 08:35.27 | myth | it's all 64 bits |
| 08:35.28 | rham | I just installed Woody on a VM |
| 08:35.33 | rham | I feel all nostalgic :-) |
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| 08:36.02 | Armand | You got woody ?? O_o |
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| 08:36.07 | nsadmin | rham, give it to the ID Software guy |
| 08:36.35 | nsadmin | the one who said after original doom was released, "linux gives me a woody" |
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| 08:37.21 | nsadmin | I liked woody and potato |
| 08:37.52 | myth | nsadmin: how do you think to have a new kernel which can boot from nfs? |
| 08:38.01 | rham | I would give potato a go but I can't find any .iso images, or .jigdo files |
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| 08:38.13 | nsadmin | try googling for nfs root |
| 08:38.27 | nsadmin | I know it's been done |
| 08:38.27 | peterrooney | rham, floppies? |
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| 08:38.57 | r15 | hello |
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| 08:39.16 | nsadmin | you might still need to tftp boot (as you have no storage on these boxes) |
| 08:40.16 | myth | nsadmin I already have it |
| 08:40.34 | myth | I think it's just to change the /etc/fstab |
| 08:40.39 | r15 | i am facing issue with my wifi reception, on other operating systems (rhel6, fedora, widows7) i get good signal strength howevr at the same time on my debain i have to keep my laptop very close to wifi-router. |
| 08:40.45 | nsadmin | another thing you may wish to do... you'd need IP addresses for them all... you might need to name them too with a dns server |
| 08:40.59 | myth | and if I'm right I'll need to install nothing |
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| 08:41.46 | rham | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 08:41.48 | rham | hmm |
| 08:41.51 | massmc | hello my friend |
| 08:41.55 | rham | not sure I can be bothered with floppies |
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| 08:42.30 | nsadmin | potato was using the installer that was known as "boot-floppies" |
| 08:42.36 | r15 | wlan0 driver details > http://www.fpaste.org/wGsG/ |
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| 08:43.16 | r15 | 0a:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
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| 08:44.11 | nsadmin | could you show the same line with lspci -nn |
| 08:44.19 | ix_ | I'm trying to run grub legacy on squeeze with an ext4 partition, is thatpossible? |
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| 08:45.07 | r15 | nsadmin: 0a:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) |
| 08:45.13 | rham | nsadmin: boot-floppies could also produce CD-ROM images |
| 08:45.16 | rham | and did |
| 08:45.18 | myth | nsadmin will need recompile the kernel |
| 08:45.19 | nsadmin | ix_, the grub people don't wanna support legacy and iirc ext4 came after that |
| 08:45.35 | cardamon | Guh, I forgot how to make a zip of a directory. |
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| 08:45.56 | nsadmin | do you care if it's a zip or a tarball? |
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| 08:47.07 | cardamon | I think I got it. I used squeeze instead of the cli tools. |
| 08:47.16 | cardamon | the archive tool, not the release. |
| 08:47.23 | cardamon | :p |
| 08:47.51 | nsadmin | if you don't care and a tarball is ok... tar czf <tarballname.tar.gz> dir-to-read |
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| 08:48.00 | cardamon | did need a zip...it's going to a TA |
| 08:48.32 | cardamon | I don't trust them to tie their own shoelaces after one sent me back a plaintext assignment I'd submitted saying he couldn't read it. |
| 08:48.35 | r15 | any idea? |
| 08:48.47 | r15 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.57 | nsadmin | hmm. so, you need to install zip (it's in non-free) and once installed, you'd have to check out the man page... my zippy days are over... WOWZERS... |
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| 08:51.43 | brontosaurusrex | 7z in non-free as well? |
| 08:51.56 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 08:52.06 | nsadmin | , v 7z |
| 08:52.07 | judd | No package named '7z' was found in i386. |
| 08:52.23 | EmleyMoor | p7zip is helpful |
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| 08:52.40 | nsadmin | , v p7zip |
| 08:52.41 | judd | Package: p7zip on i386 -- lenny: 4.58~dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; sid: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4; wheezy: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4 |
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| 08:53.15 | brontosaurusrex | that should also support plain zip right? |
| 08:53.29 | nsadmin | , info p7zip |
| 08:53.31 | judd | Package p7zip (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: 7zr file archiver with high compression ratio. Version: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; Size: 343.4k; Installed: 929k; Homepage: http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:55.33 | brontosaurusrex | qoute; The program supports 7z (that implements LZMA compression algorithm), LZMA2, XZ, ZIP, Zip64, CAB, |
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| 09:02.44 | epitamizor | use redirect symbol > |
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| 09:07.01 | nsadmin | or copy/paste |
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| 09:07.51 | epitamizor | thats the hard way though lol |
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| 09:10.18 | myth | hello motherfuckers |
| 09:10.28 | myth | :) |
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| 09:11.53 | Armand | smacks myth with a table. ¬_¬ |
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| 09:12.34 | myth | nsadmin I found all documentation about it... |
| 09:12.47 | myth | by the Ram Samudrala |
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| 09:14.44 | nsadmin | that should have the effect of moving you thru int |
| 09:14.54 | nsadmin | moving you thru it |
| 09:14.59 | panierter_panda | Hello, I have running smokeping on different squeeze-hosts and all of them have the issue, that in the graph there are pieces missing, but it?s not because of network outage. All graphs show the break at the same time. Do I have the wrong probesettings for too much hosts? |
| 09:15.44 | myth | nsadmin: my doubt was about the kernel, but I already know how to do it |
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| 09:15.56 | nsadmin | great! |
| 09:16.31 | myth | do u think will not be slowly? nfs root |
| 09:16.53 | myth | I think it's possible to have overhead |
| 09:16.54 | nsadmin | no, I think it can easily be slow |
| 09:17.02 | myth | overtraffic |
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| 09:17.20 | myth | and will need to reconfigure sysctl |
| 09:17.31 | myth | to have more bits on traffic |
| 09:17.55 | myth | ethernet traffic |
| 09:18.14 | nsadmin | what kind of eth do you have? |
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| 09:18.33 | myth | 10/100 |
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| 09:19.39 | nsadmin | it's not great. switches will help, but as you probably imagine, there's going to be lots and lots of traffic |
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| 09:21.40 | myth | best way should be Catalyst 6500 |
| 09:21.51 | myth | but it's not my case |
| 09:21.53 | myth | hahah |
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| 09:23.40 | nsadmin | you may want to arrange the machines in approx square matrix (your machines = n^2) and have n nfs servers |
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| 09:24.06 | nsadmin | and n switches with n ports minimum |
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| 09:24.33 | nsadmin | err n+1 incl the port for that row's nfs server) |
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| 09:25.29 | pishguy | how to export aptitude download list package? like with this command: apt-get -y --print-uris $@ | egrep -o -e "(ht|f)tp://[^\']+" > /tmp/apt-fast.list; |
| 09:25.45 | myth | nsadmin: needed to exist researchers about the traffic rate using nfs and hardisk |
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| 09:28.25 | myth | nsadmin I think ths way isnot so good as will be toilsome |
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| 09:30.29 | nsadmin | myth, agreed |
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| 09:30.38 | nsadmin | I wouldn't want to be in your shoes |
| 09:31.17 | myth | a lot of work |
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| 09:33.03 | myth | nsadmin: maybe if I use usb stick to the main system, and a storage to shared directories |
| 09:33.49 | nsadmin | that's what I was thinking before... maybe you can mount /usr read only |
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| 09:36.33 | nsadmin | don't get discouraged; start with ONE machine, see if you can get it booting |
| 09:37.13 | myth | nsadmin: I'm worried to have overload on storage and overtraffic, but I don't know could behave all nodes together, and I don't wanna do twice |
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| 09:58.46 | crypticmofo | hi all i just did a aptitude update and it says 32 held back .. any ideas ? |
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| 10:03.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 10:20.17 | subb1 | well, the debian lenny does not support php 5.3 or later. I have v 5.2.3 installed already. I was recommended here to do a distro upgrade rather... But I would like to know views if it is good to do an manual compile and install from source for php 5.3.x version? Thanks.. |
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| 10:22.03 | peterrooney | subb1: the upgrade is not a reccommendation. it is urgent and timely advice. |
| 10:22.17 | peterrooney | !lenny |
| 10:22.18 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 10:24.54 | Sourire | qui parle francais ici? |
| 10:25.17 | nsadmin | !fr |
| 10:25.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 10:26.15 | Sourire | thx |
| 10:26.17 | Sourire | :) |
| 10:26.31 | nsadmin | np |
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| 10:30.24 | subb1 | okay, peterrooney. just a general question... Say we have a php binary installation already. We want to upgrade to next version through a manual installation from source, then what is the first step? Do we begin by uninstalling the old binary installation? |
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| 10:39.32 | subb1 | any hint guys? |
| 10:40.07 | neodragon1 | hello, I have an interesting situation. I have a used Toshiba laptop, PIII 1.1GHz with 512MB RAM and an ATI Rage3D 16MB video card. I tried to install Lubuntu and Edubuntu on it, but found that they would not play nice with the video card being as old as it is. So my question is, if I install Debian are most if not all of the educational games/apps that are installed with Edubuntu available in the Debian repos? |
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| 10:40.21 | nsadmin | I'll be bach... me watch T1! |
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| 10:42.10 | nsadmin | basically you have to build it in such a way that the web server can run it |
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| 11:10.40 | neodragon1 | So my question is, if I install Debian are most if not all of the educational games/apps that are installed with Edubuntu available in the Debian repos? |
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| 11:15.08 | gnarface | neodragon1: my guess is probably not but i could be wrong as i don't know which packages those are. luckily the information you're requesting is freely available at packages.debian.org |
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| 11:18.38 | etp | where would I find out when gnome-shell 3.6.x would appear to unstable/testing if at all? |
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| 11:19.54 | gnarface | ,gnome-shell |
| 11:19.57 | gnarface | ,v gnome-shell |
| 11:19.58 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid: 3.4.2-2; wheezy: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.6.1-3 |
| 11:20.28 | gnarface | etp: good question but it looks to me that it won't |
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| 11:20.52 | gnarface | etp: just guessing that because its clearly not in testing or unstable yet... |
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| 11:22.32 | etp | gnarface, looking for info when it would be in testing :) |
| 11:22.59 | gnarface | etp: actually i'm guessing that means "never" for testing but it will probably go into unstable sometime after testing becomes stable... that's my guess based on the current versions as they stand.... so it would be in testing sometime after testing has a new name... |
| 11:23.14 | gnarface | i could be wrong |
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| 11:24.41 | gnarface | etp: the question i think required distinction between whether you mean "testing" or specifically "wheezy," the current testing |
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| 11:25.16 | jren207 | Hello all, I've searched as much as I can but I'm not sure what to do next. I'm trying to get an Atheros AR9382 wireless card to connect at 802.11N speeds via WPA2 using the Ath9k driver, iw, and wpa_supplicant in Wheezy. It currently only seems to connect to an N AP at G speeds. I've tried nl80211 as well as wext but it's still the same. I've pasted some information here: http://paste.debian |
| 11:25.17 | jren207 | .net/209387/. All help, (or pointers to where I can find specific help) would be appreciated. |
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| 11:25.22 | gnarface | etp: also this may be relevant to your interests: http://wiki.debian.org/OngoingTransitions |
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| 11:25.53 | gnarface | dpkg, tell jren207 about ar9382 |
| 11:26.28 | etp | gnarface, tnx, have to take a look |
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| 11:26.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps, i am getting an error on my hdd, can you help me ? http://sprunge.us/UgAe |
| 11:27.05 | gnarface | jren207: i probably can't help you, but did you read this? http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k it might help |
| 11:27.21 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: please use paste.debian.net |
| 11:27.23 | esing | How do I delete multiple folders in debian? rm -rf folder1 folder2 folder3 ? What if a folder has a space like: folder 1 ? |
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| 11:28.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 11:28.16 | gnarface | esing: escape the space like this: folder\ 1 (which tab completion will do automatically in bash) or like this: "folder 1" |
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| 11:28.29 | mwargh | esing: don't use short paths for rm -rf ever |
| 11:28.40 | mwargh | i assure you, you don't want to find out why the hard way |
| 11:28.47 | esing | gnarface Thanks |
| 11:28.59 | gnarface | esing: yes, its also worth noting as mwargh infers that -rf stands for "royal fuckup" |
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| 11:29.07 | mwargh | ^ |
| 11:29.18 | ChrisH | esing: use bash - tab completion to get it escaped automatically |
| 11:29.29 | esing | Um, what is the difference between rm -r myfolder or rm -rf myfolder |
| 11:29.33 | nsadmin | and you can add -r to most fuckup commands too |
| 11:29.42 | mwargh | and shell expansion |
| 11:29.51 | ChrisH | esing: man rm |
| 11:29.55 | mwargh | adds ton of fuckups |
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| 11:30.19 | nsadmin | a ton of fuckups is really heavy |
| 11:30.34 | ChrisH | I use rm and rmdir meanwhile... |
| 11:30.48 | mwargh | nsadmin: one guy i knew killed the whole monitoring system of a company soon after he got a job |
| 11:30.56 | jren207 | gnarface: I read the page about ath9k, but I was lead to believe that it could allow my card to use 802.11n. According to the page: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k linked from the debian page, it features 802.11n, so I'm not sure why debian isn't seeing the n capabilities. Thank you for your help anyway. |
| 11:31.02 | mwargh | nsadmin: with rm -rf yeah |
| 11:31.09 | mwargh | sounds like really heavy to me |
| 11:31.16 | nsadmin | seriously... be careful with that :P |
| 11:31.23 | gnarface | jren207: are you certain that your wifi access point supports n? |
| 11:31.32 | mwargh | i once did similar with chown |
| 11:31.33 | gnarface | jren207: and you're using squeeze, you said? |
| 11:31.34 | mwargh | meh |
| 11:31.42 | esing | Okay I understand that I should not use -f to ignore prompts, but why should I not use rm -r ? |
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| 11:31.52 | gnarface | jren207: if you've got a really old kernel that could be an issue |
| 11:32.14 | esing | "remove directories and their contents recursively" That is what I want to do |
| 11:32.29 | mwargh | esing: well, thing is you can use rm -rf, just wisely |
| 11:32.47 | mwargh | like rm -rf "/full/path/to/dir" |
| 11:32.55 | mwargh | that sounds ok to me. notice quotes |
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| 11:33.11 | mwargh | and better type it by hand to give yourself time to think and stop |
| 11:33.14 | mwargh | i do it like this |
| 11:33.20 | gnarface | esing: the point is there's no safety on it. if you say rm -rf / it will happily delete everything, including itself, even though that's not possible to fully succeed at and it leaves your system in need of a reinstall |
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| 11:33.43 | esing | I am in the dir and then I would use it like this: rm -rf folder1 "folder 2 with*" another* "test 2 asd*" |
| 11:33.43 | gnarface | esing: just don't point it at your face, ok, kid? |
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| 11:33.55 | jren207 | gnarface: I'm certain my access point supports it, and I'm using wheezy. When using squeeze, I got an error when I booted up my system which wouldn't let my card be recognised ("no parent found of for device") |
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| 11:34.11 | laurus | How similar is Gnumeric to Microsoft Excel? |
| 11:34.29 | gnarface | esing: by default there's no "undelete" unless you've installed some utility first to trap such deletions |
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| 11:34.47 | neodragon1 | thanks gnarface! |
| 11:35.10 | gnarface | neodragon1: no problem |
| 11:35.41 | mwargh | esing: i use mc for file management. or i type rm -rf command for each dir i want to remove. |
| 11:35.47 | mwargh | mc is better IMO |
| 11:35.51 | gnarface | jren207: hmm. i'm guessing that solving the problem in squeeze will end up being easier than solving the problem in wheezy actually.... |
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| 11:36.13 | gnarface | jren207: you should angle at squeeze first, since the kernel in there is known to work |
| 11:37.04 | esing | gnarface One thing Iam not sure yet: You said that escpaing space works in bash. I would enter the command in the terminal and not in a 'bash file'. But I guess you meant by bash not the typtical bash file with #!/bin/bash |
| 11:37.04 | esing | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.47 | gnarface | esing: type this command: echo $SHELL |
| 11:38.00 | mwargh | esing: bash is a program that interpretes your commands |
| 11:38.06 | mwargh | man bash, read the top |
| 11:38.10 | mwargh | i know it is bigt |
| 11:38.11 | jren207 | gnarface: That's probably true. I'll replace it with squeeze and come back here later. Thank you for your help anyway. |
| 11:38.13 | esing | gnarface echo $SHELL rm -rf folder\ 1 ? |
| 11:38.23 | gnarface | esing: hahah |
| 11:38.25 | gnarface | esing: no |
| 11:38.49 | gnarface | esing: just type "echo $SHELL" without the quotes and hit enter. tell us what it prints. |
| 11:39.18 | esing | . /bin/bash |
| 11:39.33 | gnarface | esing: see? they're the same thing |
| 11:40.05 | gnarface | esing: the shell you're typing commands into can also be used to run scripts with a #! |
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| 11:40.17 | gnarface | esing: get it now? |
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| 11:42.07 | esing | gnarface Would this work: #! rm -rf folder\ 1 |
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| 11:42.19 | esing | (typing it into my shell from any dir) |
| 11:43.30 | gnarface | esing: if the file you give to rm doesn't start with a / then its assumed to start from the current directory. so it will only work in any directory in which that subdirectory exists. the command "pwd" will show you your current directory (although by default in debian you'll notice your prompt contains it as well) |
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| 11:44.18 | esing | Okay I try it out, thanks |
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| 11:44.34 | kaste | hello, how do i tell apt-get that i already installed certain packages manually? |
| 11:44.54 | mwargh | kaste: if you did it properly it will already know |
| 11:45.42 | kaste | no, i mean i install texlive from upstream, i want to install doxygen without pulling in the outdated versions from the tree but still with latex support now |
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| 11:46.41 | kaste | how do i make it known to apt, that they are already in place? Something like gentoos package.provided |
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| 11:48.40 | esing | gnarface Hm, if I write #! before rm -rf the command is not executing |
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| 11:50.04 | kaste | mwargh: is that possible? |
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| 11:52.30 | mwargh | kaste: well, i didn't quite understood what do you want to do. |
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| 11:53.24 | mwargh | esing: start with some bash guide, for example this: http://nixsrv.com/llthw/ex3 |
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| 11:57.29 | kaste | there has to be way to satisfy a package's dependency without installing it. I prefer to install my texlive manually and want to prevent apt-get from installing it again. I'd be content with either telling apt that the depency is already in place or finding a way to keep doxygen from installing latex at all |
| 11:58.42 | mwargh | kaste: well |
| 11:58.57 | mwargh | you need to unwrap the package and change dependencies |
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| 12:00.10 | mwargh | they are specifed in debian/controls file inside a package |
| 12:00.22 | mwargh | sorry |
| 12:00.27 | mwargh | debian/control |
| 12:00.44 | mwargh | you will want to change Depends: line |
| 12:01.08 | kaste | thanks, wouldn't that get overwritten on the next apt-get update? |
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| 12:04.09 | Harzilein | regarding texlive above, it would really help if the process of building and updating the debian packages would be more transparent to the casual user checking out the packaging source |
| 12:04.12 | eni23 | hello at all. im using evolution email with imap. but the problem is its not syncing as it should, some mails just wont show up. is this a known issue? (i also have root-access to the mailserver if nescesary) |
| 12:04.36 | eni23 | or is there another good imap-mail-client? |
| 12:04.37 | Harzilein | what i found upon doing debcheckout texlive was far from being transparent |
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| 12:07.31 | decci | Hi Guys |
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| 12:08.12 | decci | I need linux script for to configure linux server for Apple time machine. Any idea? |
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| 12:09.25 | eni23 | decci: is this the apple backup software? why not just use rsync or something similar? |
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| 12:11.01 | mwargh | kaste: i guess you should put packet on hold as well |
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| 12:12.23 | gnarface | esing: sorry i thought you meant that as a placeholder for your prompt or something. no, that will not work. |
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| 12:13.25 | StefanM | has anyone hard problems importing debs to apt-cacher /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages using apt-cacher-import.pl? I want them to show up when I do apt-cache search on a node that uses this apt-cacher, but they don't. specifically I'm trying to import the tsm client deb files from IBM. |
| 12:13.53 | StefanM | they are moved to the correct directory but apt-get update && apt-get search tsm does not show them on a client node. |
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| 12:16.12 | StefanM | for /var/cache/apt/archive the script worked fine. |
| 12:16.22 | StefanM | archives |
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| 12:20.54 | niels1 | well, i guess you own packages aren't in the package list. they'll only be ssen by apt-get when they are. it sounds like you want to make your own local repository. maybe have a look at reprepro |
| 12:21.06 | niels1 | *your *seen |
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| 12:22.51 | StefanM | I was hoping to just add something to an existing repo with apt-cacher. but maybe I'm misunderstanding its function. |
| 12:23.15 | StefanM | but yes you're probably right, my packages are not part of this repo. so they're not in this list. |
| 12:23.27 | StefanM | the import feature is only to import packages in the list. |
| 12:23.30 | StefanM | so they don't have to be downloaded. |
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| 12:24.11 | decci_ | I need a Linux script that gets a clean install of Linux ready for Apple Time Machine which 1.Install all necessary applications to support Apple Time Machine 2.Prompt user for necessary inputs (i.e. Time Machine folder name, username, password, etc…) 3.Create any necessary steps or scripts to run on Mac 4.Work with my Linux install and Mac OSX 10.7 system |
| 12:24.16 | decci_ | Any idea? |
| 12:24.38 | mwargh | decci_: uh... write it? |
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| 12:25.30 | decci_ | mwargh: I am not good programmer. If there is anything written around internet? |
| 12:25.45 | niels1 | StefanM, yes, apt-get refers to the package list to see which packages are available, and that package list is retrieved from official mirrors. so even if you'd change the local copy of the package list, next time it is downloaded again it would be overwritten. just create your own local repository and include that in the sources.list |
| 12:26.13 | StefanM | yes, thank you niels1 |
| 12:26.14 | mwargh | decci_: basically you just write all commands you need to a file |
| 12:26.20 | mwargh | and some questions and checks |
| 12:26.23 | mwargh | and that's it |
| 12:26.28 | mwargh | no need to be a programmer to do this |
| 12:26.48 | decci_ | mwargh: k |
| 12:27.11 | decci_ | mwargh: what about Prompt user for necessary inputs (i.e. Time Machine folder name, username, password, etc…) |
| 12:27.45 | mwargh | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/226703/how-do-i-prompt-for-input-in-a-linux-shell-script |
| 12:27.55 | mwargh | smoething like this |
| 12:28.00 | mwargh | *something like this |
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| 12:28.10 | mwargh | or just "read myvar" |
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| 12:30.40 | mwargh | decci_: if you'll have questions about some pieces not working you may ask in #bash |
| 12:30.43 | decci_ | mwargh: I got this link |
| 12:30.46 | decci_ | mwargh: http://www.mikepalmer.net/build-a-netatalk-time-machine-for-osx-lion-using-debian-6-0-squeeze/ |
| 12:30.58 | Ghormoon | Hi guys, I've got debian in virtual and today putty logging stopped working, logging on another server from putty works, logging from another ssh on the virtual works, nothing on putty.log, /var/log/auth.log says that session was opened (key accepted) ... any ideas what went wrong? it worked yesterday :-/ |
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| 12:31.14 | decci_ | mwargh: I have Mac OS X 10.7.4 and Debian 6.0.2 64 bit |
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| 12:32.13 | mwargh | decci_: i don't work with mac os so i can't say anything about this. i wouldn't install packages from some guy though |
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| 12:32.23 | mwargh | because of security issues |
| 12:32.30 | decci_ | mwargh: ok |
| 12:33.20 | mwargh | who knows what he put in there. or it's just my paranoia? |
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| 12:37.33 | decci_ | mwargh: I have one question. Say I have 3 commands:sudo apt-get build-dep netatalk sudo apt-get install cracklib2-dev fakeroot libssl-dev sudo apt-get source netatalk , If I put them directly to a file as bash script. Will it work ? Since the first one might take long time |
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| 12:38.02 | decci_ | mwargh: How will I assure that next one works while the first one still installing the packages.. |
| 12:38.24 | mwargh | it will, just put them on separate lines |
| 12:38.25 | engla | decci_: you don't want to use sudo with apt-get source. probably. |
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| 12:38.42 | decci_ | engla: You can ignore that |
| 12:39.11 | decci_ | mwargh: http://kremalicious.com/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/ |
| 12:39.17 | decci_ | mwargh: Best link to follow |
| 12:39.17 | mwargh | decci_: you will want to do "apt-get install cracklib2-dev fakeroot || echo "failed" ; exit |
| 12:39.29 | mwargh | just run the script with sudo |
| 12:39.33 | mwargh | don't put sudo in there |
| 12:39.36 | decci_ | mwargh: oh looks good |
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| 12:41.40 | mwargh | decci_: sorry, 'apt-get install cracklib2-dev fakeroot || ( echo "failed" ; exit )' |
| 12:42.38 | decci_ | mwargh: What about this .deb http://code.google.com/p/flyback/downloads/list |
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| 12:43.20 | mwargh | decci_: i know no more than you. it's just a question of trust. if you trust this guy, use it |
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| 12:43.53 | decci_ | mwargh: What about Google code http://code.google.com/p/flyback/downloads/list |
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| 12:45.11 | mwargh | decci_: don't know :) if you trust this guy, you may use it |
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| 12:56.54 | safridzal | hi all, i'm trying to change my grub background by removing previous pict from /boot/grub then copying the picture I want to /boot/grub. "sudo update-grub" detect the file "Found background image: skripsi640.png" but if i reboot, I only get black background, not the picture.. |
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| 12:58.46 | safridzal | is it a bug? should i report bug? |
| 12:58.48 | fnmueller | safridzal: does it have the correct dimensions? |
| 12:59.11 | safridzal | 640 480 |
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| 13:00.08 | safridzal | the method work when i was using ubuntu (i can even put bigger pict size, say 1024 768) |
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| 13:01.31 | fnmueller | what is GRUB_GFXMODE set to? |
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| 13:01.54 | safridzal | where to see that? |
| 13:02.07 | safridzal | im just using default i guess |
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| 13:03.04 | fnmueller | hmm, I don't know |
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| 13:04.09 | safridzal | lol, fnmueller, there's gfx 640 bug on debian bug.. but i cant find any further info |
| 13:04.29 | allorder | /etc/default/grub |
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| 13:06.45 | safridzal | allorder: great, change it, will try to reboot.. owh, is it better to have 1024 image for gfxmode 1024 ?? |
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| 13:07.04 | safridzal | or i can keep the 640 version? |
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| 13:07.43 | allorder | try both :P |
| 13:08.46 | safridzal | brb |
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| 13:13.32 | safridzal | allorder: not working.. |
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| 13:15.06 | allorder | safridzal: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition |
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| 13:15.22 | safridzal | is there another way to change grub background? (if copy file to /boot/grub and update-grub not working, i am looking for another way to do tht) |
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| 13:15.28 | safridzal | kay, reading now :D thanks |
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| 13:16.05 | hramrach_ | hello |
| 13:16.15 | hramrach_ | how do I list PS fonts? |
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| 13:16.26 | hramrach_ | how do I tell what characters do they have? |
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| 13:18.18 | Qantourisc | Does debain support /root on LVM (with /boot on RAID) ? |
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| 13:19.38 | niels1 | yes, it does. but it's called debian ;) |
| 13:19.57 | hramrach_ | root on LVM shoud work, it's one of the options installer offers. /boot on raid might work if it's mirrored (only) or you are using grub |
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| 13:21.21 | niels1 | well, i was assuming grub2, of course |
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| 13:21.50 | ChrisH | Qantourisc: I have both on differnt systems. /boot on md-raid1 and / on LVM... I even have one system with /boot inside LVM. |
| 13:22.12 | Qantourisc | ChrisH: yes just found it's supported |
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| 13:22.36 | Qantourisc | ChrisH: what are the linux grub.cfg line options to pass (since the grub installation went bad) |
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| 13:22.44 | ChrisH | Qantourisc: /boot inside LVMis supported? link? |
| 13:23.02 | Qantourisc | ChrisH: no /root |
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| 13:23.28 | cobra-the-joker | Does jessie beta available now ? |
| 13:23.36 | ChrisH | Qantourisc: thats an option debian installer offers since Lenny or even etch |
| 13:24.09 | Qantourisc | ChrisH: i know, it just blew in my face :) |
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| 13:24.42 | hramrach_ | Qantourisc: the options are in the grub.cfg |
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| 13:25.23 | hramrach_ | so you can put a copy of grub on an USB stick and copy the config and boot off that or try to reinstall grub using a live cd or something |
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| 13:28.06 | hramrach_ | how do you print a text file? |
| 13:28.16 | Qantourisc | hramrach_: i can pass grub, by hand, it's the init that is kiling me ! |
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| 13:28.36 | hramrach_ | it used to work flawlessly around the time dot-matrix printing was common but not anymore |
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| 13:29.27 | hramrach_ | then say init=/bin/sh |
| 13:29.45 | hramrach_ | and you get a root shell with ro / and can see what's wrong perhaps |
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| 13:30.41 | Qantourisc | hramrach_: i meant initramfs |
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| 13:31.55 | hramrach_ | then either you did not really pass the right parameters in grub or the initramfs is not generated withe enough modules and tools to boot |
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| 13:36.34 | Qantourisc | hramrach_: ok the grub params seem to work with the initramfs |
| 13:36.44 | Qantourisc | hramrach_: so have to just fix the grub-config |
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| 13:37.35 | walex | thinks initramfs is a joke. But it is the wheel of history... |
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| 13:39.25 | Qantourisc | walex: i missed the joke ... |
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| 13:43.16 | Qantourisc | Well i found the issue: /boot wasn't in /etc/fstab ... not sure how i missed that during instgall |
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| 13:46.41 | Desproges | Hi, I have some problems with ssh pubkey authentication, can anyone help me ? here the ssh -vvv output : https://gist.github.com/4078723 |
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| 13:49.44 | ksk | Desproges: read the wikis about it, you have to enable pubkey auth at the server side |
| 13:50.15 | Desproges | ksk, that's already the case, because I can use a pubkey with an other account |
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| 13:50.31 | ksk | ah yes, just missed the line, sorry. |
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| 13:54.25 | Leoneof | why bluetooth cannot send/receive files with nokia 6600 only? |
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| 13:55.57 | niels1 | Desproges, is the key in question long enough? i had problems with 1024 bit keys in the past. you can also run the server with debugging output, if you are in control of the server |
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| 13:57.22 | Desproges | how can I check that niels1 ? |
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| 14:00.16 | niels1 | Desproges, ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
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| 14:00.27 | niels1 | Desproges, the first number is the number of bits |
| 14:00.48 | abrotman | seems like the key is malformed? |
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| 14:06.09 | ChrisH | niels1: Nokia BT stacks sometimes tend to do strange things until a reboot was made. |
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| 14:06.32 | Desproges | niels1, 2048 |
| 14:06.55 | niels1 | ChrisH, i guess you meant Leoneof ;) |
| 14:07.02 | Qantourisc | Does debian has aplace to store "run these litle commands on startup" ? |
| 14:07.07 | Qantourisc | or should i write an init for that ? |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | !tell Qantourisc about rc.local |
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| 14:08.03 | abrotman | !tell Qantourisc about run at startup |
| 14:08.27 | Qantourisc | abrotman: thx ! |
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| 14:08.59 | abrotman | Qantourisc: personally, i don't like using rc.local .. but that's preference i suppose |
| 14:09.44 | Qantourisc | abrotman: it's to set the readahead settings of the disk, spintimes, raid-tune-ing etc ... |
| 14:09.52 | Qantourisc | abrotman: but a service would be nice :p |
| 14:10.40 | Leoneof | Nokia BT? |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | the @reboot might be best, spawn a script |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | Qantourisc: fair warning, if you use an init script, you have to do the lsb tags I believe |
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| 14:13.17 | niels1 | Qantourisc, the hdparm package has config files to set readahead and other disk related stuff on boot, maybe that's an option too |
| 14:13.50 | ChrisH | niels1: yes |
| 14:14.02 | Qantourisc | niels1: a yes, i was looking for that on the internet, but didn't find it on the internet, so I assumed it didn't have that |
| 14:14.09 | ChrisH | Leoneof: Nokia BT (Bluetooth) stacks sometimes tend to do strange things until a reboot was made. |
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| 14:16.14 | Leoneof | ChrisH: nokia 6600 is okay with Kubuntu 12.04 , but not with Debian 6 , looks like the software can't handle it. |
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| 14:18.05 | ChrisH | Leoneof: You did not get my point. Doing tests for OPenSync I needed to learn that you can fuck up a BT stack and still some things do work. Therefore I suggested to reboot the phone and retest |
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| 14:18.57 | Leoneof | ChrisH: didn't work too, believe me. |
| 14:19.15 | somiaj | Leoneof: could you just need a newer kernel? You can get a 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
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| 14:20.30 | Leoneof | somiaj: upgrading to squeeze-backport could break nvidia(non-free)? |
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| 14:21.46 | somiaj | Leoneof: You will have to recompile the module for the new kernel. I am unsure if the squeeze nvidia module compiles against 3.2 or not. There is a nvidia non-free version in squeeze-backports as well that I know works. (haven't done to much testing) |
| 14:22.23 | Leoneof | somiaj: i have to do some tests about it, thanks :) |
| 14:22.24 | romgo | Hello, I have one question about the versioning of the kernel in Debian : each time debian security release a new kernel they only change the revision of the kernel ? |
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| 14:22.46 | somiaj | I'd do some research first, but if it just seems like the 2.6.32 kernel just is kinda old for your BT connenctions that is a suggestion to get it to work |
| 14:23.02 | romgo | for exemple in squeeze the actual is 2.6.32-45 previous was 2.6.32-44 ? |
| 14:23.11 | somiaj | romgo: correct, they don't change the actual kernel version, it is 2.6.32 base |
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| 14:24.35 | romgo | yes, but I'm trying to deal with the numbering of my own kernel, and I would like to put my new kernel in reposotiry and that apt see it as an update |
| 14:25.03 | romgo | seems that my kernel is complaining because /lib/modules/kernel-name/kernel already exist |
| 14:25.09 | romgo | how debian deal with that ? |
| 14:26.18 | sacredchao | So I have a file that I cannot change the permissions of, even as root |
| 14:26.23 | sacredchao | chmod has no effect |
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| 14:27.03 | sephii | hey there, I'd like to install a mailserver that would allow users to fetch their mails through IMAP and send mails through SMTP. At the moment I'm using a combination of Postfix, Amavisd, Maildrop and Spamassassin. It works well but I remember the setup was horribly complicated so I'm looking for something a bit easier to setup. This is for a small environment (~30 users), but I'd still like to have virtual users. Any recommendation? |
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| 14:27.35 | Desproges | niels1, I have an additionnal information, I "almost" found the problem: ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa give me this: |
| 14:27.40 | Desproges | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 14:27.41 | somiaj | romgo: seems as if it isn't seeing your kernel as an replacement. Why not just use the same version as the base one you got from squeeze and just pin your personal repo higher so it is seen as an upgrade |
| 14:27.59 | somiaj | sacredchao: is this file on a vfat/msdos/ntfs file system? |
| 14:28.09 | somiaj | sacredchao: or a cdrom -- something like that |
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| 14:28.44 | sacredchao | somiaj: Doh! yeah it's on NTFS |
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| 14:29.08 | somiaj | sacredchao: look at the fmask, dmask, gid and uid options for the ntfs file system when you mount it |
| 14:29.17 | somiaj | sacredchao: you can set the permissions/ownership across the whole filesystem |
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| 14:29.26 | niels1 | Desproges, i think that's unrelated. ssh-add adds the key to ssh-agent, which needs to be running for that to work. did you add the key to authorized_keys file on the user account on the server? that's not what ssh-add does |
| 14:29.54 | somiaj | sephii: postfix + dovecot was enough for me. But I cannot think of any single tool. Note that the mail server is just for port 25 (sending/reciving). If you want IMAP or POP3 you need another server to allow that. |
| 14:29.57 | Desproges | yes I did |
| 14:29.58 | sacredchao | somiaj: I just want to make a single file +x |
| 14:30.17 | somiaj | sacredchao: why do you need the +x a file on an ntfs partition? Is it a binary or a script? |
| 14:30.29 | romgo | somiaj: I just try, and apt see my package as an update. However it says that the folder /lib/modules/my_kernel/kernel belongs to an old install of my_kernel and that can give some issue with the modules. |
| 14:30.57 | sacredchao | It's a script, and because I want to |
| 14:31.00 | romgo | As I only apply security patches from debian I didn't modify modules selection |
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| 14:31.17 | Desproges | niels1, you right, that's not the problem. That's really weird, I m on a machine I call "back1", I can use "ssh front" to login to the front (with my pubkey), and "ssh intern1" ask the password |
| 14:31.20 | romgo | how does debian provide new kernel package update without this message ? |
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| 14:31.45 | somiaj | sacredchao: you can run a bash script with 'source script_name' if it is a perl/python etc script use 'perl scriptname' |
| 14:32.01 | somiaj | romgo: it sounds like your kernel version isn't seen as a replacemenet package. |
| 14:32.35 | romgo | Ok, is this an option to provide to make-kpkg ? |
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| 14:33.18 | romgo | somiaj: I found something http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage I'll have a look at it :) |
| 14:33.39 | somiaj | romgo: it is something to do with the kernel version. |
| 14:33.42 | somiaj | but not sure on the details |
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| 14:36.54 | centrux | hello. |
| 14:36.54 | centrux | Added package within the pool of netinst cd, then the Packages and Release genre. |
| 14:36.55 | centrux | But I installed the package that aggregates in the pool. |
| 14:36.55 | centrux | Also I was told that I have to change the tasksel-data to elejirlo and install as the debian installer works with tasksel information. |
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| 14:37.34 | niels1 | Desproges, can you check whether you really added the public key to the server correctly? maybe you accidentally messed up a newline or something like that |
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| 14:38.36 | Desproges | the authorized_keys has 1 line niels1 |
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| 14:38.48 | Desproges | and the chmod is 644 |
| 14:40.01 | niels1 | Desproges, does it have a linefeed (dec 10, hex 0x0a) as line ending? |
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| 14:41.51 | centrux | hello. |
| 14:41.53 | centrux | Added package within the pool of netinst cd, then the Packages and Release genre. |
| 14:41.55 | centrux | But I installed the package that aggregates in the pool. |
| 14:41.57 | centrux | Also I was told that I have to change the tasksel-data to elejirlo and install as the debian installer works with tasksel information. |
| 14:42.00 | centrux | Modified it but when it finishes install add the cd not ask me anything about tasksel. |
| 14:42.02 | centrux | Any suggestions? |
| 14:42.04 | centrux | regards Mark |
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| 14:43.17 | Desproges | niels1, I don't know what does that mean, but I suppose not. It's a simple file edited with vim |
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| 14:43.49 | Desproges | not even vim, I did echo "ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQ ..." > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 14:44.13 | niels1 | okay, then it should have the correct line ending |
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| 14:49.13 | Desproges | I think that can be a configuration problem niels1 , maybe the user I want to use is not allowed for some reason ... |
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| 14:51.00 | niels1 | Desproges, has this user's ~/.ssh directory permissions 0700 on that server? |
| 14:51.30 | Desproges | that's what I was checking |
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| 14:53.06 | Desproges | now he is niels1, but same result drwx------ 2 git www-data 4,0K 2012-11-15 15:40 .ssh |
| 14:53.28 | jhutchins_wk | centrux: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:54.02 | jhutchins_wk | niels1: That's not gonna work. |
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| 14:54.25 | Desproges | it was previously go+rx |
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| 14:55.38 | centrux | I want to customize the installation cd adding my packages |
| 14:56.19 | jhutchins_wk | centrux: Do you understand how preseed works? |
| 14:56.22 | niels1 | jhutchins_wk, do you mean Desproges? .ssh directory should only be readable by the user, otherwise ssh is going to complain |
| 14:56.40 | jhutchins_wk | niels1: The user would appear to be "git" in this case? |
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| 14:56.51 | Desproges | yes the user is git |
| 14:57.16 | niels1 | jhutchins_wk, i don't know, that's the first time Desproges said who the user is |
| 14:57.18 | Desproges | ssh complain only if the private key is readable by other, doesn't it ? |
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| 14:57.50 | jhutchins_wk | ssh just works by default unless people start messing with it. |
| 14:58.06 | niels1 | jhutchins_wk, and by default, the .ssh directory is 0700 |
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| 14:58.27 | Desproges | the users in back1, front and intern1 are named git (default group www-data). now, I m in back1. "ssh front" works fine with the pubkey, and "ssh intern1" doesn't |
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| 14:58.48 | chipotle | how do i remove config files from packages? i did apt-get purge tomcat6 but the config files are still there... |
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| 15:01.36 | mads- | I am coming from ubuntu, and want to move to debian. Looking at the download site on debian.org, should I download the stable or testing dist? |
| 15:01.42 | Desproges | niels1, jhutchins_wk , ok I found the problem, I tried to "ssh intern1 -vvv" but totally forget to check the /var/log/auth.log |
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| 15:02.15 | jhutchins_wk | Desproges: I would use the ssh-copy-id script to install the key. |
| 15:02.15 | chipotle | mads- for a server or workstation? |
| 15:02.21 | mads- | chipotle: workstation |
| 15:02.26 | chipotle | testing is fine |
| 15:02.27 | chipotle | then |
| 15:02.32 | Desproges | no I found the problem, the /home/git was group writable |
| 15:02.34 | fnmueller | mads-: what do you think "testing" implies? ;-) |
| 15:02.55 | Desproges | sorry for all that |
| 15:02.58 | mads- | fnmueller: it was just how much testing was going on :) |
| 15:03.02 | mads- | chipotle: thanks |
| 15:03.05 | Desproges | Nov 15 15:58:47 intern1 sshd[5359]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/git |
| 15:03.29 | jhutchins_wk | Desproges: Must have strict checking enabled. |
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| 15:04.04 | Desproges | yeah, that's fine, I didn't installed intern1, it was the previous guy, and that permission is not necessary |
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| 15:04.57 | Desproges | thanks to both of you, and niels1 told me to check all permissions in all parent dir, I check to be sure all was writable, but didn't looked for the group in particular. /var/log/auth.log saved me |
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| 15:05.29 | zetheroo | got an old Etch server here on which I am trying to install db4.4-util ... but it's posting back a 404 Not Found message |
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| 15:09.00 | zetheroo | probably bad source file ... as I can ping Google fine |
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| 15:14.15 | jhutchins_wk | zetheroo: You're using archives, right? |
| 15:14.43 | jhutchins_wk | !etch sources.list |
| 15:14.44 | dpkg | i guess etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 15:15.13 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.51 | jhutchins_wk | zetheroo: etch -> lenny is definitely worth it, even though lenny is EOL too. |
| 15:16.08 | jhutchins_wk | I'm still skeptical of lenny->squeeze |
| 15:16.13 | zetheroo | this is what worked .... http://paste.debian.net/209541/ |
| 15:16.24 | zetheroo | yes, this machine is due for an overhaul ;) |
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| 15:18.02 | waynr | jhutchins_wk: why skeptical of lenny->squeeze? |
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| 15:18.21 | waynr | or rather, are you skeptical of the upgrade or skeptical of squeeze? |
| 15:18.41 | jhutchins_wk | waynr: There aren't as many improvements, and the moves to grub2, gnome 3, and kde4 all have issues. |
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| 15:19.45 | jhutchins_wk | It's like we're embracing complexity for complexity's sake. |
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| 15:22.09 | waynr | jhutchins_wk: ah...i have carefully avoided gnome and kde. and in wheezy i carefully avoid gdm2 or whatever the newest version is called |
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| 15:23.33 | waynr | also i wheezy i have noticed subtle nuisances like binutils-gold...it's gold, so you would think it is good right? but it is definitely not compatible with ghc/xmonad |
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| 15:23.44 | waynr | maybe that is a ghc/xmonad problem |
| 15:24.09 | waynr | or maybe installing binutils-gold should not automatically supplant the standard issue binutils |
| 15:24.21 | engla | there's a reason it's not a straight package upgrade |
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| 15:25.08 | waynr | yeah, i appreciate that...i recognize that it was my own foolish "ooo, it's shiny and gold it must be worth installing" attitude that caused the problem |
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| 15:27.50 | engla | computer programs are tools (fantastic right).. and sometimes you need the right tool for the job |
| 15:28.10 | engla | conversely the job requires the right tool |
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| 15:31.07 | waynr | and sometimes it's fun to just play around with tools you find laying around |
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| 15:35.53 | jimcooncat | and that tool conversation reminds me, is there a way to see what are the most popular software packages for a category? I'd like to see popcon stats in synaptic or some other central place. |
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| 15:45.56 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: I can't remember if the Debian "Software Center" has user reviews or not |
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| 15:46.53 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: It's not exactly straight from the popcon data, but generally the more popular/effective/useful packages will get some attention with reviews. I know the 'buntus usually have this in their software center (not synaptic) |
| 15:46.55 | jimcooncat | The one I have in my freshly installed squeeze doesn't. But I think my previous install of LMDE did, so maybe it will be there in wheezy |
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| 15:47.51 | ToeTag | yeah mint should have it too, *however* I think that data is usually distro specific ..... Mint's reviews would be exclusive and not pull from the Ubuntu reviews I'm 91% sure |
| 15:48.04 | jimcooncat | ToeTag: I really don't care where the info is from. I was having an issue yesterday installing a dyndns client, having several to choose from, with no indication of quality or usefulness |
| 15:48.05 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: have you installed wheezy or testing before? |
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| 15:48.36 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: I'm on a Kubuntu machine right now, let me check the software center |
| 15:48.44 | jimcooncat | I installed lmde a few months ago which is based on wheezy |
| 15:49.21 | jimcooncat | I switched later to squeeze when redoing the hardware in my box |
| 15:49.58 | ToeTag | What prompted the switch - I've looked into Mint Debian |
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| 15:51.26 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: "dyndns" Isn't returning any matches for me as a search |
| 15:51.52 | ToeTag | I can look up packages individually and give you the ratings / # of ratings |
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| 15:52.32 | jimcooncat | Well, lmde was promised to have monthly updates, but since wheezy's freeze no updates were issued. The mint forums suggested that none would be forthcoming, either, and that the team really wasn't into supporting it. That's what I gathered, anyway. |
| 15:52.33 | jhutchins_wk | ToeTag: Mint is not debian. |
| 15:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | You'd probably get the dyndns daemon from dyndns.org |
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| 15:54.41 | jimcooncat | After a couple of tries of other software, I installed ddclient. Once I did, I recognized that was the package I used to use, and it's very good (for me) |
| 15:55.05 | ToeTag | jhutchins_wk: Mint has a Debian edition derived from debian rather than Ubuntu |
| 15:55.10 | jhutchins_wk | dd-wrt comes with a built in client. |
| 15:55.15 | ChrisH | uses ddclient to update dyndns entries, too |
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| 15:55.35 | jhutchins_wk | ToeTag: We know, we often get asked to support it. |
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| 15:55.55 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: yeah the Mint dev team is not huge, I wouldn't invest a lot of faith in anything but the main release |
| 15:56.06 | ToeTag | all the other stuff is kind of just a side project |
| 15:57.02 | ToeTag | jhutchins_wk: I'm having trouble installing Linux Mint Debian Edition |
| 15:57.38 | ToeTag | jhutchins_wk: I'm having trouble configuring a hadoop cluster on 13 Linux Mint Debian Edition machines |
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| 15:58.53 | crypticmofo | hi all this is for the aptituide users |
| 15:59.00 | jimcooncat | ToeTag: I'm done with them myself, but I wouldn't mind recommending the main product for a new users with decently powerful machines. I'd rather run cheap old boxes. |
| 15:59.03 | crypticmofo | i asked on oftc chan but its busy |
| 15:59.38 | ToeTag | jimcooncat: yeah the main and cinnamon editions are top notch if your machine has the juice - that's a really great distro |
| 15:59.40 | jimcooncat | we got attitude with our aptitude |
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| 15:59.57 | crypticmofo | this question is for the aptituide people ? i noticed that when we do searches or what not we can use for example aptitude search ~n or aptituide search ?name what is the perferfed way of using aptituide via the cli and should i learn how to use both ways .. ie there was somebody you guys helped the other day and you gave him this command aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?description(transitional)) .. isn't the same as sayi |
| 15:59.59 | crypticmofo | ng aptituide search ~S~i~dtransitional or aptituide search ~S~i~d^transitional .. just trying to figure it out .. i been thinking about the diffrences |
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| 16:01.29 | tabakhase | ah |
| 16:01.43 | ToeTag | crypticmofo: you're just wanting to search for a package based on name explicitly? |
| 16:02.06 | tabakhase | ah ah, lsmod; "no such file or directory /proc/modules" |
| 16:02.22 | tabakhase | but following /proc/mounts && /proc/meminfo its mounted and "works" |
| 16:02.24 | ToeTag | < $ aptitude search xfce > for me, returns all matches containing xfce as well as descriptions |
| 16:02.33 | tabakhase | its not a virtual host or anything |
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| 16:03.34 | crypticmofo | can you break down aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?description(transitional)) |
| 16:03.50 | crypticmofo | according to aptituide abbrevations |
| 16:03.54 | crypticmofo | ~S = narrow |
| 16:04.02 | crypticmofo | so its ~S(filter) |
| 16:04.51 | ToeTag | check out the man page |
| 16:04.59 | ToeTag | I see what you're talking about under <search> |
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| 16:05.33 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 16:07.40 | ToeTag | in the wiki, I think what you want is there at the bottom |
| 16:07.45 | ToeTag | http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 16:08.00 | ToeTag | There's like a and/or/not syntax for specifying search parameters |
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| 16:08.28 | ToeTag | "Advanced search patterns" at the bottom |
| 16:09.24 | ToeTag | Might be worth asking later, the man page refers to "the aptitude reference guide" whatever that is |
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| 16:10.55 | ToeTag | aptitude itself, as an ncurses application categorizes things really nicely |
| 16:11.15 | ToeTag | if you're wanting to see what' installed and where it came from |
| 16:12.02 | jimcooncat | Search patterns (no idea how good the info is): http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 16:15.47 | jimcooncat | ooh, see also: http://lwn.net/Articles/179754/ which also suggests installing aptitude-doc and seeing chapter 2, section 3 of the manual in it. |
| 16:17.52 | sacredchao | The brightness keys oin my Thinkpad T420s for the first time do not work on this Debian install |
| 16:18.06 | sacredchao | I want to change my screen brightness with Fn + Home or End |
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| 16:23.04 | jimcooncat | I installed aptitude-doc-en, and now browsing to /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html gives me a full manual. It's what you need, crypticmofo! |
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| 16:25.09 | crypticmofo | yea i have the manual |
| 16:25.12 | crypticmofo | just want a visual guide |
| 16:25.19 | crypticmofo | i have the manual /handbook / aptitude-doc-en |
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| 16:29.53 | netzsooc | hello, I was wondering is there any book or blog or something on how to go and live in the command line? I mean of how not to use the GUI but just CLI? |
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| 16:30.21 | wdouglass | netzsooc: if you want to use the cli, just replace your tasks one by one |
| 16:30.33 | wdouglass | so each time you go to do something, learn to do that thing using the cli |
| 16:30.49 | wdouglass | eventually, you'll find yourself doing more then you're learning |
| 16:31.03 | myth | where is the line who mount fstab on debian? |
| 16:31.43 | wdouglass | myth: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 16:31.50 | jimcooncat | netzsooc: I think learning bash is a good start, http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html |
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| 16:32.49 | myth | wdouglass: thank you very much |
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| 16:33.43 | netzsooc | I sort of now how to create some scripts in Bash, thanks jimcooncat |
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| 16:35.37 | wdouglass | myth: sure |
| 16:36.02 | zykotick9 | netzsooc: a list of a lot of the terminal applications i personally use can be found at http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Minimalism Though i use X, so i can run lots of terminals easily. i'd highly recommend learning "screen" if you want to go exclusively terminal (gives copy/paste functionality for one) |
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| 16:45.52 | queso | Will iceweasel 16 be released soon? |
| 16:46.03 | confusid | is the /usr/local/bin suppose to be empty? |
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| 16:46.30 | zykotick9 | queso: mozilla.debian.net is 16.0.2 for squeeze right now |
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| 16:48.10 | confusid | think I was a bit dumb.. I used sudo before a make and it over wrote content to /usr/local/bin. Now it is empty or at least I think it is had something in it to start. |
| 16:48.11 | queso | zykotick9: I'm on wheezy. |
| 16:49.15 | zykotick9 | confusid: my /usr/local/bin is empty |
| 16:49.16 | queso | zykotick9: Maybe I installed it wrong? does apt-get install -t not allow it to be upgraded? |
| 16:49.32 | confusid | zykotick9: :) ty |
| 16:49.40 | confusid | I'll stop sweating |
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| 16:50.09 | zykotick9 | queso: sorry, for wheezy i don't really know. i'm a fan of stable. |
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| 16:52.03 | HideMe | I've noticed some files in /usr/bin have an ACL on permissions, does anyone know how to remove it from specific files? I've tried "setfacl -b file" with no success. |
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| 16:53.37 | queso | Could someone help me figure out how to upgrade from iceweasel 15 to 16 on wheezy? |
| 16:53.54 | queso | (I've installed using instructions on mozilla.debian.net) |
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| 16:55.20 | queso | Oh, my home machine is on iceweasel 14.. yeah, it's definitely not upgrading automatically. |
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| 16:57.00 | zykotick9 | queso: fyi, if you are updating through terminal using apt-get, you need to use dist-upgrade to pull in new versions of software, like the 14 -> 15 -> 16 increments of iceweasel from m.d.n |
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| 16:57.21 | simonlnu | HideMe: also check that the bin/ dir does/doesn't have acls on it. |
| 16:58.15 | zykotick9 | do ACL show up as + after the permission string of "ls -l"? |
| 16:58.31 | queso | zykotick9: I usually use aptitude ncurses mode.. |
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| 16:59.20 | simonlnu | yes they do. that shows that there are some |
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| 16:59.22 | zykotick9 | queso: ok, just checking. i'm a "aptitude safe-upgrade" kinda guy myself, i believe that updates iceweasel |
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| 17:00.15 | queso | zykotick9: I also use aptitude ncurses, hit u U gg. It's not upgrading iceweasel.. |
| 17:00.31 | queso | zykotick9: Is there a way to do dist-upgrade in iceweasel? |
| 17:00.33 | queso | ugh |
| 17:00.42 | queso | I mean in aptitude's ncurses mode? |
| 17:00.43 | zykotick9 | simonlnu: if that was for me, thanks. i don't actually see any + in my /usr/bin directory |
| 17:00.58 | simonlnu | i don't either |
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| 17:01.40 | queso | zykotick9: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade my iceweasel either. |
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| 17:02.46 | zykotick9 | queso: "apt-cache policy iceweasel" what repo is it trying to pull from debian or m.d.n? |
| 17:03.39 | queso | zykotick9: http://dpaste.com/831633/ |
| 17:04.20 | zykotick9 | queso: do you have teh experimental repo enabled as well? |
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| 17:04.45 | HideMe | simonlnu, dr-xr-xr-x. on /usr/bin |
| 17:04.54 | zykotick9 | queso: sorry - i don't feel comfortable helping/making suggestions for wheezy. best of luck. |
| 17:04.56 | queso | zykotick9: in my sources.list: deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian experimental main |
| 17:05.03 | simonlnu | HideMe: that's not an acl |
| 17:05.06 | queso | zykotick9: I think it's because it's pinned. |
| 17:05.12 | queso | zykotick9: okay, thanks for your help. |
| 17:05.19 | HideMe | simonlnu, What does the "." mean then? |
| 17:05.31 | simonlnu | that's selinux IIRC. checking man ls |
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| 17:07.17 | HideMe | simonlnu, should it be enabled? |
| 17:07.38 | simonlnu | not by default. i'm investigating |
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| 17:08.02 | HideMe | simonlnu, All I want to do it disable it on one single file. |
| 17:08.09 | queso | zykotick9: Oh, I think I just have to run apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel again. :) |
| 17:08.31 | zykotick9 | queso: that would make sense to me |
| 17:08.40 | simonlnu | HideMe: http://old.nabble.com/What-does-the-period-after--rw-rw-r---mean--td29768828.html |
| 17:08.51 | queso | zykotick9: Just have to remember to do that when new releases come out. :) Thanks. |
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| 17:09.07 | simonlnu | ah, i was right |
| 17:09.17 | simonlnu | GNU ls uses a ‘.’ character to indicate a file with an SELinux security context, but no other alternate access method. |
| 17:09.29 | simonlnu | http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/What-information-is-listed.html |
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| 17:09.57 | cybrhuman | may I ask how I remove entries from the selections in apt? |
| 17:09.58 | confusid | is there a command line application that forwards things to pastbin? |
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| 17:10.22 | zykotick9 | confusid: pastebinit |
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| 17:11.53 | simonlnu | "A file with any other combination of alternate access methods is marked with a ‘+’ character." |
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| 17:12.23 | simonlnu | near the bottom of the last link i posted |
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| 17:14.04 | simonlnu | HideMe: it won't matter if selinux isn't enabled. it just means that there's some selinux attributes set on those files. someone at some point set some. you'll need to use the selinux tools to unset those. |
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| 17:15.18 | simonlnu | HideMe: that wouldn't come from a packaged file, either. it was set afterwards. |
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| 17:30.31 | sreich | where do sshd logs get put at? |
| 17:30.50 | sreich | i set it to verbose mode, restarted it, logged in through key auth and i don't see auth.log or secure in /var/log |
| 17:31.09 | ksk | debian standard is /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:31.26 | simonlnu | in auth.log yes, but they might be getting put elsewhere for some odd reason. |
| 17:31.41 | simonlnu | set your syslogd in some way |
| 17:31.53 | sreich | i set LogLevel VERBOSE, and SysLogFacility AUTH (the latter was default, i didn't change taht) |
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| 17:32.24 | ksk | take a look at your syslogs config what it does with AUTH facility |
| 17:32.45 | ksk | (it should log authentication attempts by default if you didnt fuck it up ;) |
| 17:32.53 | sreich | it says it puts it in /var/log/auth.log :/ |
| 17:33.05 | sreich | *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog auth,authpriv.* -/var/log/auth.log |
| 17:34.59 | sreich | tried setting it back to INFO and restarting ssh, but it doesn't do anything |
| 17:35.05 | sreich | nothing logs i mean |
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| 17:39.36 | sreich | oh weird, restart sysklogd fixed it |
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| 17:49.23 | jmfurlott | Having a little trouble booting Debian on an iMac with an ATi Radeon card. I installed everything okay through non graphical set up but when I try to start the screen just goes black after starting x. I can't do ctrl-alt-f1 or anything |
| 17:50.40 | engla | jmfurlott: which debian release? What year is the iMac from? A newer kernel might be needed |
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| 17:50.55 | jmfurlott | Stable and its 2010 |
| 17:51.02 | jmfurlott | engla, ^ |
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| 17:52.03 | jmfurlott | should I try unstable? |
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| 17:52.57 | engla | ẗhe next release to try would be wheezy (testing), but there is already a newer kernel in squeeze-backports |
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| 17:53.29 | jmfurlott | engla. yeah but I can't get into a shell |
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| 17:54.34 | jmfurlott | engla, I should also say ubuntu 12.04 wouldn't start x either (not sure on the kernel but my guess is it its higher than stable) |
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| 17:55.27 | vimreaper | hey guys got a question. I have a fresh install of debian testing and i am assuming my wifi card isnt supported by default. My card is a RT5390. I am running kernel 3.5 which is suppose to support this driver but when i open wicd its not picking up any networks |
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| 17:58.46 | simonlnu | sreich: not weird at all |
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| 17:59.20 | BenNZ | vimreaper: is there firmware that needs to be installed? |
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| 17:59.48 | engla | jmfurlott: I don't know anything about radeon graphics but wheezy has better graphics drivers in general |
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| 18:00.34 | jmfurlott | engla, Okay I can try that |
| 18:00.39 | vimreaper | umm idk BenNZ :p |
| 18:01.00 | vimreaper | id assume not.. the driver is free OS |
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| 18:01.19 | BenNZ | vimreaper: i know for my ralink device , i had to install firmware-ralink |
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| 18:03.01 | vimreaper | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:03.03 | vimreaper | firmware-ralink is already the newest version. |
| 18:03.04 | vimreaper | :p |
| 18:03.52 | BenNZ | vimreaper: not sure then sorry |
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| 18:04.50 | vimreaper | thats alright thanks for the try |
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| 18:17.47 | vimreaper | hmm lsmod shows that the driver is loaded |
| 18:17.49 | vimreaper | $ sudo lsmod |
| 18:17.50 | vimreaper | Module Size Used by |
| 18:17.50 | vimreaper | rt5390sta 1075159 0 |
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| 18:19.24 | abrotman | does it require firmware? |
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| 18:26.13 | nkuttler | vimreaper: if you installed the firmware after loading the module you need to reload the module |
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| 18:29.08 | MrTorque | Hey. Is it possible to allow a user of the group www-data to take ownership of a file which belongs to www-data:www-data? |
| 18:29.28 | solidus-river | bah… debuilder is giving me errors |
| 18:29.42 | solidus-river | and i used the python automagic scripts to build my deb so i have no clue whats going on |
| 18:30.05 | crypticmofo | hey all i was having issues for a while with sound until i ran alsactl init and boom i have sound |
| 18:30.08 | solidus-river | i have a data files tuple specified in the setup.py and a debuild spits out |
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| 18:30.45 | solidus-river | https://gist.github.com/0ba90c7edbea18aec264 |
| 18:30.53 | solidus-river | theres the setup.py and here is the output error i'm getting with debuild |
| 18:30.59 | crypticmofo | accorind to http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA lookin at it more it says this 'alsactl init' as root. Just ignore the error message like 'Unknown hardware' (this issue said to be fixed in alsa-utils .20), then reboot and try to test your sound. For more details please see this thread. |
| 18:31.06 | crypticmofo | how do i get my alsa to always work |
| 18:31.57 | boudiccas | crypticmofo, and did you reboot? |
| 18:31.59 | crypticmofo | man page shows /var/lib/asla/asound.state is default |
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| 18:32.05 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, yes i did everything no sound |
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| 18:32.12 | crypticmofo | running alsactl init fixed it |
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| 18:32.22 | crypticmofo | but im assuming if i reboot it will come back |
| 18:32.26 | boudiccas | crypticmofo, did you reboot after you got the sound working? |
| 18:32.35 | crypticmofo | no |
| 18:32.38 | crypticmofo | let me reboot now |
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| 18:33.31 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, im reading something at the bottom |
| 18:33.32 | crypticmofo | http://alsa.opensrc.org/Alsactl |
| 18:33.40 | crypticmofo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.56 | crypticmofo | defaults runlevel 2 or whatever i have in inittab |
| 18:34.13 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, after reboot sound works |
| 18:34.51 | boudiccas | crypticmofo, so no problem then |
| 18:34.57 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, nope |
| 18:34.58 | crypticmofo | :D |
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| 18:35.08 | crypticmofo | its just wierd |
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| 18:37.40 | CorpComp | I have a USB drive that I can no longer change file permissions or file ownership of even as superuser. Any thoughts welcome. |
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| 18:38.06 | mads- | flash for wheezy. There isn't an installation candidate for flashplugin-nonfree. How am I going to install it then? |
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| 18:39.06 | zykotick9 | CorpComp: is it a fat/ntfs formatted usb? |
| 18:39.55 | CorpComp | NTFS |
| 18:40.11 | zykotick9 | CorpComp: you can't apply posix permissions to ntfs. best of luck. |
| 18:41.02 | CorpComp | OK, so backup data, reformat to fat and restore. Easy. |
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| 18:45.05 | rasusto | .np |
| 18:45.37 | boudiccas | CorpComp, why not format to ext3? |
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| 18:49.26 | Guest37686 | I have a wheezy with two VGA cards - an ATI and NVIDIA - the ATI shows OK (two heads and two screens), however the NVIDIA card does not show anything - how can I enable nvidia and ATI at the same time ? |
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| 18:55.23 | abrotman | eh, there was a command to see which filesystem/mount point a file resides on .. or am i crazy? |
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| 18:56.23 | boudiccas | abrotman, yes! :) |
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| 18:56.39 | abrotman | sulks |
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| 19:00.51 | mhalligan | is there some super happy mega pixie command to fully uninstall a package, including init scripts and configuration files, then reinstall it, including init scripts and configuration files? Like really uninstall and reinstall them? not just leave it in some weird half state where reinstalling the packages doesn't recreate it's configuration files? |
| 19:01.05 | mhalligan | like aptitude --really-uninstall-this-package-im-not-kidding ? |
| 19:01.24 | gnarface | --purge |
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| 19:01.36 | mhalligan | been there |
| 19:01.37 | mhalligan | done that |
| 19:01.41 | mhalligan | doesn't do jack |
| 19:01.53 | gnarface | did you try apt-get? |
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| 19:01.58 | mhalligan | i've tried using aptitude remove && aptitude purge && aptitude autoclean |
| 19:01.59 | boudiccas | aptitude --purge jack |
| 19:02.24 | mhalligan | I've tride apt-get --purge package |
| 19:02.33 | mhalligan | so far nothing makes the package reinstall it's configuration files |
| 19:02.37 | somiaj | mhalligan: it isn't aptitude purge, it is aptitude --purge remove (i.e. remove and purge) |
| 19:02.49 | damacus | what package and what's getting left? |
| 19:02.49 | somiaj | mhalligan: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:02.59 | somiaj | mhalligan: if you delete a conf file debconf rembers it and assumes you don't want it back -- follow those instructions |
| 19:03.00 | mhalligan | somiaj: tried that too |
| 19:03.15 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.24 | mhalligan | sigh, that's a dumb fucking assumption |
| 19:03.33 | mhalligan | idempotency. it's really a thing. |
| 19:03.52 | mhalligan | i'll just build a new vm, life's too short. |
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| 19:04.06 | somiaj | did you reinstall the package that actually creates the config files |
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| 19:04.17 | somiaj | instead of some meta package that pulls in all the dependencies? |
| 19:04.28 | somiaj | again that factiod will recreate deleted config files. |
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| 19:06.15 | Guest37686 | where is the graph with how many bugs are left for wheezy ? |
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| 19:08.25 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 19:08.25 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 19:10.20 | Guest37686 | !wheezy pool |
| 19:10.20 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
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| 19:11.41 | Guest37686 | I have two different cards an ATI and an NVIDIA in the same box - do not know how to make both to work - used to be xorg.conf but now I am lost |
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| 19:13.57 | btavakkoli | Hi, in default, is the ports on squeez open or close? |
| 19:14.21 | jhutchins_wk | Guest37686: X configures itself for most situations, but of course it does not use proprietary accelerated/3D drivers and may not cope with 3 cards. |
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| 19:14.50 | jhutchins_wk | Guest37686: Most multi-display settings can be handled by xrandr, and you can generate an xorg.conf to set specific options. |
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| 19:15.25 | Guest37686 | jhutchins_wk, OK, so I should erase xorg.conf and restart ? |
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| 19:15.52 | jhutchins_wk | Guest37686: That would seem like a situation where you would want to look at writeups by other people who had done multi-card displays. |
| 19:15.53 | Guest37686 | I installed the system with the ATI on the system, then added the NVIDIA (physically), so |
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| 19:16.27 | Guest37686 | xrandr sees only the nvidia card, though at the boot, I can see both |
| 19:16.49 | Guest37686 | I am installing kde perhaps has better ways to deal with it than GNOME |
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| 19:18.24 | Guest37686 | btavakkoli: depends which ports, however it is more open by default than redhat or derivativies |
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| 19:19.03 | Pascal | do you know a program that let us create css menu, layout, etc in a visual way (i mean, doing all css thing without knowledge)? |
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| 19:19.34 | jhutchins_wk | Guest37686: Niether kde nor gnome deal with video directly. |
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| 19:19.45 | hetOrakel | hi all, i noticed to create a file named -r |
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| 19:19.52 | hetOrakel | how can i delete it ? |
| 19:19.59 | Pascal | hetOrakel: rm -- -r |
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| 19:20.16 | hetOrakel | pascal: thank you!!! |
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| 19:20.19 | Pascal | np |
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| 19:21.02 | jhutchins_wk | Guest37686: Other than searching for documentation, I'd move the xorg.conf and see what the system autodetects, then see what xrandr offers for options. |
| 19:21.30 | zaniyah | anyone had trouble with installing onto UEFI systems? I can't get mine to boot as the installer did not create an initrd afaict. |
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| 19:22.21 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: They can be tricky, you may need to create an mpt. Check the docs on what grub wants for uefi. |
| 19:22.39 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: to be honest I'm struggling to navigate the docs |
| 19:22.43 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: It does work in linux, but what elements are required shifts around. |
| 19:22.44 | zaniyah | I haven't found anything about this yet |
| 19:23.02 | zaniyah | I thought the guided partitioning would just do the right thing |
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| 19:23.18 | crypticmofo | guys when im doing a search with abbrevations with aptituide and it shows me the results or it pops up a little window that shows the full string i typed .. can i pause that to see what it says cause it flashes by so quick ? .. also im going to ask this in another chan so dont get bent out of shape |
| 19:23.52 | boudiccas | crypticmofo, dont crosspost so blatantly |
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| 19:24.20 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.47 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: Guess I shoudln't search for debian then |
| 19:24.48 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, oh ok i will take that up .. boudiccas sometimes a chan dosen't respond and another one might quicker |
| 19:24.55 | crypticmofo | boudiccas, anythign wrong with that theroy ? |
| 19:25.01 | zaniyah | the only howto I found on debian + uefi was rather sparse |
| 19:25.13 | boudiccas | crypticmofo, theroy? |
| 19:25.37 | crypticmofo | umm.. s/theroy/reasons/ |
| 19:25.48 | zaniyah | I've been at this for 3 days now |
| 19:26.35 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: There's this thing called google... |
| 19:26.45 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: that's what I'm using |
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| 19:27.25 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: I came in here to ask as a last resort |
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| 19:28.00 | jhutchins_wk | Hit #3: Expert guide for switching a Debian system to UEFI boot. |
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| 19:28.11 | jhutchins_wk | That's for uefi debian |
| 19:28.22 | zaniyah | I didn't find that one |
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| 19:28.28 | zaniyah | it's not in my results list |
| 19:28.42 | zaniyah | also I'm not switching |
| 19:28.46 | zaniyah | this is a brand new install |
| 19:29.04 | jhutchins_wk | Hit #2 [Updated 3x]HOWTO: AMD64 Debian GNU/Linux and UEFI |
| 19:29.16 | zaniyah | I followed the documentation on debian.org and after doing everything it suggested the system is unbootable |
| 19:29.27 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: fine but my results are not listing these |
| 19:29.35 | zaniyah | any of them |
| 19:29.59 | zaniyah | I'm not even sure if it's a uefi problem, since the error says the initrd is missing and nothing more verbose |
| 19:30.09 | btavakkoli | exit |
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| 19:31.16 | confusid | can I apt-get search -t squeeze-backports to see what version is there? |
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| 19:31.37 | confusid | libc6 |
| 19:32.27 | boudiccas | ,v libc6 |
| 19:32.28 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-35; sid: 2.13-36 |
| 19:33.13 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: Ok, I don't have any hardware to test these on, but these are what I'm finding: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzNjU http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=81120 http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi http://blog.einval.com/2012/08/12 |
| 19:33.28 | zaniyah | the tanguy one is rubbish |
| 19:33.38 | abrotman | confusid: you can just packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 19:33.45 | confusid | ty |
| 19:33.47 | jhutchins_wk | I did it several years ago on 2nd gen Mac Minis with CentOS and it worked fine. |
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| 19:34.10 | zaniyah | yes it worked fine for me with fedora |
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| 19:34.27 | zaniyah | this is my first attempt with debian |
| 19:34.28 | jhutchins_wk | There are also other bootloaders besides grub that work explicitly with uefi. |
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| 19:35.21 | Brigo | efilinux - UEFI bootloader |
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| 19:36.24 | zaniyah | until I get this installed I can't do any custom ISOs. There is only the one computer, which makes it especially awkward. |
| 19:36.25 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: Forum post looks pretty thorough. |
| 19:36.30 | zaniyah | Is this not a known problem? |
| 19:36.44 | zaniyah | jhutchins_wk: I've not got that far yet |
| 19:37.06 | jhutchins_wk | zaniyah: It's a known and handled problem, but still not a common one because uefi hardware is still pretty rare. |
| 19:37.07 | boudiccas | zaniyah, efilinux is in wheezy |
| 19:37.44 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions efilinux |
| 19:37.45 | judd | Package: efilinux on i386 -- sid: 1.0-2; wheezy: 1.0-2 |
| 19:38.14 | jhutchins_wk | From the (July 2012) date of the forum post I'm guessing it's talking about the wheezy installer. |
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| 19:40.52 | zaniyah | afaict according to the forum post, it's set up correctly |
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| 19:41.01 | zaniyah | :S |
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| 19:42.11 | boudiccas | zaniyah, what version of debian are you trying to boot? |
| 19:42.28 | zaniyah | boudiccas: it's amd64 wheezy from the netboot installer |
| 19:43.06 | zaniyah | I'm assuming the guided partitioning thing missed a subtle step somewhere, but I'm not sure what |
| 19:43.12 | zaniyah | everything looks fine .. |
| 19:43.17 | boudiccas | zaniyah, maybe 'efilinux' is on dvd1? if so that would help in your problem |
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| 19:44.05 | zaniyah | boudiccas: I don't have dvd's |
| 19:44.16 | zaniyah | I have very limited hardware resources and slow internet |
| 19:45.26 | sliddjur | when a manual page refers to "man myapplication(5)" or "man myapplication.5" what does the 5 mean? |
| 19:45.49 | zaniyah | try man 5 myapplication |
| 19:46.15 | zaniyah | they're different pages |
| 19:46.26 | sliddjur | seems to be the same as man myapp.5 |
| 19:46.40 | sliddjur | its a big manpage though, i could be wrong |
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| 19:56.03 | HelenB_ | I'm after something called "dumpkeys" |
| 19:56.08 | HelenB_ | but I can't find it in APT |
| 19:56.12 | HelenB_ | and it's not on my system. |
| 19:56.18 | HelenB_ | -bash: dumpkeys: command not found |
| 19:56.23 | HelenB_ | however... |
| 19:56.28 | HelenB_ | it comes on debian by default. |
| 19:56.32 | boudiccas | ,v dumpkeys |
| 19:56.33 | judd | No package named 'dumpkeys' was found in i386. |
| 19:56.47 | HelenB_ | I need that command :/ |
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| 19:57.18 | boudiccas | HelenB_, its not in the squeeze repos |
| 19:57.45 | HelenB_ | boudiccas: All my other debian systems have it. |
| 19:58.03 | HelenB_ | it's just one of my server hosts has it removed from debian. |
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| 19:59.23 | simonlnu | ,find bin/dumpkeys |
| 19:59.32 | judd | Search for bin/dumpkeys in squeeze/i386: kbd: bin/dumpkeys, usr/bin/dumpkeys; console-tools: usr/bin/dumpkeys |
| 19:59.38 | simonlnu | ^^^ |
| 19:59.39 | HelenB_ | like Debian on that host... screen doesn't work out of the box. |
| 19:59.48 | HelenB_ | judd: Problem is... |
| 19:59.50 | HelenB_ | it's NOT there! |
| 19:59.54 | simonlnu | it's in kbd and console-tools |
| 20:00.03 | HelenB_ | oh |
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| 20:00.27 | simonlnu | you gotta pick one, i'd suggest console-tools |
| 20:00.36 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: Me too |
| 20:00.40 | HelenB_ | <3 console-tools! :D |
| 20:01.15 | simonlnu | kbd is older and gotta have a compat package to work with console-setup, IIRC |
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| 20:01.42 | HelenB_ | How do I revent sudo bash and sudo -s from being executable? I have removed "su". |
| 20:02.14 | simonlnu | set up something in sudoers |
| 20:02.24 | HelenB_ | idk how |
| 20:02.27 | HelenB_ | Google didn't help |
| 20:02.30 | simonlnu | /etc/sudoers.d/foo |
| 20:02.35 | simonlnu | man sudoers |
| 20:02.39 | HelenB_ | okies |
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| 20:03.06 | simonlnu | i have either sudo-ldap or sudo with a local file in that dir, depending |
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| 20:05.43 | HelenB_ | http://pastebin.com/7eaiUY6B |
| 20:06.32 | simonlnu | re-plug your keyboard? |
| 20:06.47 | simonlnu | you oin console doing this? |
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| 20:06.51 | simonlnu | you in* |
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| 20:07.05 | simonlnu | needs a real tty |
| 20:07.40 | HelenB_ | simonlnu: Can't do it in TTY |
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| 20:07.53 | HelenB_ | and I never did it in TTY on my netbook. :/ |
| 20:08.01 | HelenB_ | I'm on a VPS |
| 20:08.07 | vimreaper | Alright guys I got an issue. I have an Asus x55a and installed debian testing. The problem is my fn hotkeys wont work and my wifi is one of the asus hotkeys. Anyone know of a way to turn on my wireless hardware from the terminal, or know where I can find the drivers to get the hotkeys to work? :/ |
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| 20:09.40 | Brigo | vimreaper: you need a network manager? dis you installed gnome? |
| 20:09.45 | Brigo | did* |
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| 20:11.30 | simonlnu | HelenB_: that you'll need to find out how to do that there. i don't have clue that way. |
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| 20:12.59 | vimreaper | Brigo I have Network Manager wicd installed |
| 20:13.02 | hanasaki | I have recompiled squid3 with SSL enabled however it is not allowing https connects to the internet. what do you think about ways to resolve this? |
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| 20:13.19 | simonlnu | vimreaper: those 2 won't won't cooperate. pick one. |
| 20:13.24 | Brigo | vimreaper: can't it manage your connections |
| 20:13.25 | Brigo | ? |
| 20:13.28 | simonlnu | won't once... |
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| 20:13.54 | vimreaper | its not picking up any connections.. and the light for my wifi indicator isnt on |
| 20:13.58 | vimreaper | i have the drivers installed |
| 20:14.26 | simonlnu | and firmware? |
| 20:14.46 | vimreaper | yeah, i checked that earlier when i was in this channel its fully upgraded |
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| 20:15.20 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
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| 20:16.17 | vimreaper | ifconfig isnt showing wlan0 at all |
| 20:16.22 | vimreaper | just eth0 and lo |
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| 20:16.53 | Brigo | hanasaki: and this? http://www.lesismore.co.za/squid3.html |
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| 20:17.04 | Brigo | vimreaper: and iwconfig? |
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| 20:19.49 | vimreaper | http://pastie.org/5384171 Brigo iwconfig |
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| 20:20.03 | hanasaki | hi Brigo thanks. that is bassicaly what I have except the transparent |
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| 20:21.02 | Brigo | vimreaper: so you have wlan0 running. wicd should managed it ... |
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| 20:21.16 | Brigo | hanasaki: you are wellcome :-) |
| 20:21.18 | vimreaper | no networks are showing up |
| 20:21.22 | vimreaper | in wicd |
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| 20:21.34 | vimreaper | and if wlan0 was up it would show up in ifconfig right? |
| 20:21.42 | vimreaper | and my wifi light would be on |
| 20:21.58 | martxel | hi |
| 20:22.12 | Brigo | vimreaper: wlan0 is not up, but wicd will get it ups when connects with a ap. |
| 20:22.47 | Brigo | vimreaper: did you modify the /etc/network/inteface file? |
| 20:22.58 | vimreaper | no is there something i need to do to it |
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| 20:23.15 | kristian-aalborg | so, I am trying to get my printer working via CUPS |
| 20:23.24 | kristian-aalborg | Brother MFC-7820N |
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| 20:24.02 | Brigo | this is one way. I am not sure how wicd works, but network-manager do not manage interfaces that are yet configured in /etc/network/inteface |
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| 20:24.38 | kristian-aalborg | when I try to print a page, I get the "receiving data" message, and the display lights up |
| 20:24.41 | kristian-aalborg | then nothing happens |
| 20:24.43 | Brigo | so please paste it :-) |
| 20:25.30 | vimreaper | will my pc pick up wireless connections if im connected via ethernet? |
| 20:25.38 | vimreaper | it does on other distros of linux |
| 20:26.30 | Brigo | vimreaper: i dont know how wicd works, sorry. |
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| 20:27.23 | vimreaper | Brigo: http://pastie.org/5384199 this is /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:28.31 | Brigo | vimreaper: it looks like good. So i dont know why wicd dont connect with wifi... |
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| 20:29.32 | vimreaper | So you dont think it has anything to do with me not being able to us the FN hotkey to hit the wifi button? |
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| 20:30.15 | Brigo | no, i dont know about fn keys, i haven't a netbook yet :-) |
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| 20:30.46 | myth | when I try to mount nfs root system I have loop saying device or resource busy, some idea, or sugestion ?? |
| 20:30.51 | vimreaper | rt5390sta 1134851 0 <- this is the driver for my card that lsmod returns |
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| 20:31.10 | Brigo | vimreaper: i thin the driver works ok. |
| 20:31.24 | Brigo | think* |
| 20:32.00 | sudoecho | vimreaper: in WICD preferences -> Wireless Interface, is wlan0 listed in the input box? |
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| 20:33.11 | Brigo | vimreaper: you can try to add this: http://pastie.org/5384219 to your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:33.40 | Brigo | if you know the ssid and passwd of a ap. And try to connect. |
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| 20:35.11 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a cli based file indexer which lets me search for files quickly. It shouldn't run as daemon or require root rights, maybe just spawned through crontab or similar. Any hints? Thanks. |
| 20:35.12 | eni23 | im going crazy about this, mabye someone knows the problem: i have a script which is running an ssh command (auth key identification). if i run the script in bash it just works fine, but if i run it from cron it just says permission denied (pubkey,password). WHY? |
| 20:35.27 | nsadmin | right, if that works (or if running iwlist scan as root gives scan results) then you know your wireless works |
| 20:35.38 | Brigo | rudi_s: updatedb? |
| 20:35.44 | eni23 | rudi_s: locate |
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| 20:36.04 | rudi_s | eni23: Requires root rights. |
| 20:36.08 | rudi_s | Brigo: Where can I find that? |
| 20:36.15 | rudi_s | eni23: Are using a passphrase-less key? |
| 20:36.20 | eni23 | rudi_s: nah & its the same as locate |
| 20:36.30 | rudi_s | eni23: ? |
| 20:36.31 | eni23 | eni23: yes |
| 20:36.42 | nsadmin | with that knowledg if you decide to go with some form of network manager, you can and you can assume most problems you may encounter is not related to your wireless working |
| 20:36.43 | Brigo | rudi_s: may be you has it yet installed. Try locate <filename> |
| 20:37.06 | eni23 | rudi_s: you can create an custom database with updatedb and search this one. that does not require root |
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| 20:37.17 | simonlnu | eni23: user |
| 20:37.23 | rudi_s | Brigo, eni23: A good, thanks. I will look into this. |
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| 20:37.30 | Brigo | yet/already, sorry. |
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| 20:37.43 | rudi_s | np ;-) |
| 20:37.53 | Brigo | :-) |
| 20:38.13 | eni23 | eni23: put an "whoami" in my script and shows the correct user |
| 20:38.16 | nsadmin | root rights can be gained using su - and entering the root passwd you set when you instaleed debian |
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| 20:39.38 | ompaul | eni23: actually `whoami` but anyway |
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| 20:40.07 | eni23 | ompaul: yup :) |
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| 20:41.27 | ompaul | eni23: cron or crontab - I used to get root to log in as lower users on other machines ssh -C lowlyuser@faraway to work |
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| 20:45.25 | eni23 | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/qDaSxFVh thats my crontab -l (user with no root rights). the scipt runs first a few commands local and then ssh. i pass the key-file to ssh with -i in the script directly |
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| 20:46.32 | myth | when I start booting from nfs root have the following result: mount device or resource busy and loop trying to mount... some idea? |
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| 20:47.28 | myth | all looks allright |
| 20:47.34 | tobin | I'm wondering if someone can help me out with a possibly easy debian/rules issue. I have the default rules file in addition to a top level makefile (next to the debian directory) with a jenkins target defined. how can I instruct rebuild to call my jenkins target specifically in the top level makefile? |
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| 20:48.20 | ompaul | eni23: why the # |
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| 20:48.47 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.17 | tobin | '$(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/mypackage jenkins' doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:49.25 | ompaul | eni23: ok here is what I suggest first - paste with changed ip / target machine what you are doing in the script |
| 20:49.34 | ompaul | eni23: also paste.debian.net |
| 20:49.41 | hanasaki | tobin can you just use the jenkins .deb download? |
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| 20:50.08 | HideMe | Anyone here use apt-dater? |
| 20:50.15 | rudi_s | Brigo, eni23: Thanks again. Looks like locate/updatedb with a local database is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 20:50.16 | tobin | hanasaki: no. the target is specially setup to compile jars on the jenkins server |
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| 20:50.33 | tobin | if i run make jerkins by hand it works |
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| 20:50.58 | hanasaki | jerkins lol |
| 20:50.58 | tobin | so i need rebuild to do the same thing (more context is that i'm using jenkins-debian-glue to build my java application) |
| 20:51.05 | tobin | heh 'jenkins' |
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| 20:51.11 | HideMe | tobin how often are you jerkin by hand? |
| 20:51.15 | tobin | s/rebuild/debuild/g |
| 20:51.18 | eni23 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/209640/ |
| 20:51.34 | hanasaki | tobin what special need do you have where plain maven or even ant won't work foryou? |
| 20:52.16 | hanasaki | is having no luck with squid and httpS - firefox just hangs on https hits.. nothing in the squid logs either |
| 20:52.17 | tobin | The special need is that the makefile works properly and the developers aren't subject to changing it. |
| 20:52.28 | tobin | so i need debian/rules to call make jenkins |
| 20:52.33 | tobin | and my issues will be solved |
| 20:52.36 | myth | why I can't mount nfs root file system, receiving the message mount device busy ... and showmount -e return all okay |
| 20:52.37 | tobin | and all are happy |
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| 20:53.50 | hanasaki | tobin: what is the backround on the project? if it is just java to build JAR and WAR files... maybe consider using the primary tools that do that? if you are packaging them into a .deb... then do that as a second step with debian tools |
| 20:53.55 | nsadmin | well for example if the makefile doesn't have destdir support, it -will- have to be modified... polite way to do that is engage with upstream |
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| 20:54.15 | ompaul | eni23: you are saying ssh $DDNS_USER@$DDNS_SERVER and you are saying you re using an argument ... |
| 20:54.16 | tobin | hanasaki: i have that part already figured out |
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| 20:54.29 | tobin | i need need to understand how to make debian/rules call specific targets |
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| 20:54.52 | tobin | and yes i'm packaging the wars into a deb |
| 20:55.10 | myth | nsadmin: could u help me bro |
| 20:55.11 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.23 | eni23 | but makes no difference |
| 20:55.27 | hanasaki | tobin I haven't done deb packaging so I cannot help there.. sorry.. jekins and java.. that I can help about |
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| 20:55.40 | ompaul | eni23: I can't see what's wrong if you don't tell me what you are really doing |
| 20:55.42 | nsadmin | myth, maybe if it's really short... I have an appt in half hour |
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| 20:55.55 | tobin | hanasaki: okay thx. The build/compiling is fine |
| 20:56.05 | tobin | just debian/rules I'm having a problem with |
| 20:56.06 | einyx | tobin: is all written on the doc btw |
| 20:56.18 | eni23 | ompaul: thats the only difference |
| 20:56.22 | einyx | tobin: what kind of problem? |
| 20:56.24 | nsadmin | and, there are a ton of folks here that can also help |
| 20:56.25 | tobin | einyx: do you have a reference. I've search endlessly |
| 20:56.26 | myth | nsadmin: having problems with nfs root... mount: device or resource busy |
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| 20:56.40 | ompaul | eni23: for instance what I picked on there ... anyway the first thing I would do is run ssh -VVV that command and see what output is with something like tee |
| 20:57.07 | myth | nsadmin: and overload on my brain |
| 20:57.11 | nsadmin | myth, so something must be mounted there already? |
| 20:57.12 | tobin | einyx: how does the debian/rules 'make install' interact with the top level makefile. I can't find solid docs on that |
| 20:57.21 | nsadmin | oh, in that case get outside for awhile |
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| 20:57.47 | myth | nsadmin: yes I already have all system client |
| 20:57.55 | simonlnu | it calls the commands in rules to emit to the Makefile, then that Makefil does its thing. |
| 20:58.01 | myth | but I also have problems on mount point |
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| 20:58.05 | simonlnu | Makefile* |
| 20:58.13 | nsadmin | if you're burnt right now, you need some oxygen and don't need pressure |
| 20:58.20 | myth | and at server showmount -e looks normal |
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| 20:59.01 | nsadmin | something is already mounted or the thing you're trying to mount is busy |
| 20:59.26 | myth | so, I have all configured and ready to run |
| 20:59.38 | myth | but at the part to mount nfs on boot |
| 20:59.43 | myth | I have this problem |
| 20:59.54 | nsadmin | the initrd has this thing called pivot-root |
| 21:00.02 | nsadmin | it might be a script |
| 21:00.26 | einyx | tobin: explain better |
| 21:00.36 | nsadmin | anyone know if pivot-root is still used in initrds? |
| 21:00.51 | tobin | einyx: okay so. i have a java application with a previously configured makefile |
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| 21:01.08 | myth | nsadmin: I even don't know why I received this output, mount: device or resource busy |
| 21:01.10 | tobin | if i run 'make jenkins' target, the application builds with success |
| 21:01.17 | myth | if it's not mounted |
| 21:01.22 | nsadmin | good point, I don't either |
| 21:01.34 | tobin | einyx: 'm trying to debianize this, and want debian/rules to call 'make jenkins' |
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| 21:02.02 | tobin | einyx: instead, i believe its calling make all: |
| 21:02.05 | myth | I thought could be the shared directories, mounted on the server |
| 21:02.22 | myth | but I don't believe it's the reason |
| 21:04.13 | myth | it's painful |
| 21:04.22 | eni23 | ompaul: dont really see whats wrong: http://paste.debian.net/209643/ (ssh -vvv via cron) |
| 21:04.41 | einyx | ovveride dh_auto_install tobin |
| 21:04.48 | nsadmin | these low quality nonspecific error messages are making you guess |
| 21:04.53 | einyx | try that |
| 21:04.57 | tobin | okay reading about that |
| 21:05.01 | einyx | dcut |
| 21:05.05 | einyx | ops |
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| 21:08.09 | tharkun | How long would a 16GB tranfer last over a simple usb cable? |
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| 21:09.17 | gnarface | over usb 1.0 or to cheap flash it could be forever... |
| 21:09.33 | gnarface | hours even |
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| 21:10.04 | tharkun | gnarface: WD usb hdd |
| 21:10.07 | ompaul | eni23: can you delete that post? |
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| 21:10.50 | ompaul | line 42 tells me you are here debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7 trying to get a squeeze box in .ch |
| 21:11.29 | Infiltrator | gnarface: I like hour 'hours' is longer than 'forever'. |
| 21:11.47 | ompaul | eni23: it connects - but then your keys are wrong |
| 21:11.57 | Infiltrator | tharkun: The best way is to start the transfer and it will show the ETA. |
| 21:12.27 | Infiltrator | s/hour/how/ |
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| 21:12.58 | ompaul | eni23: I don't know how you do it but one way you can do it is this scp .ssh/id_pub.rsa user@farbox:.ssh/authorized_keys it will allow you ssh in no keys |
| 21:13.01 | nsadmin | -if hour understanding of hour hour is somehow flawed, then it's hour job to correct, and if we procrastinate, we can start hour job in an hour |
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| 21:13.24 | abrotman | ... |
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| 21:14.00 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: Too slow. :) |
| 21:14.05 | simonlnu | that actually hurt my eyes |
| 21:14.05 | nsadmin | much |
| 21:14.11 | nsadmin | I procrastinated |
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| 21:14.30 | nsadmin | aww :) here, try some coffee! |
| 21:14.33 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.10 | ompaul | eni23: no, if you do it from a shell you are not translating it from the shell exactly |
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| 21:16.43 | ompaul | eni23: check this out apt-cache search runas |
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| 21:17.39 | eni23 | ompaul: just updated the authorized_keys on the faraway-machine and now it works :) |
| 21:17.53 | ompaul | eni23: that's what I said diddle i |
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| 21:18.42 | eni23 | ompaul: thanks a lot. but why then the script runned in bash? |
| 21:19.02 | einyx | ] |
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| 21:19.59 | ompaul | eni23: -vvv would have told you - but what told me was in your -vvv it wasn't seeing the keys |
| 21:20.14 | ompaul | eni23: sorry two thoughts collided |
| 21:20.24 | ompaul | eni23: -vvv would have told you the two differences |
| 21:20.45 | ompaul | eni23: -vvv it told me that you did not have matching keys (which is why I said what I said about scp) |
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| 21:22.31 | eni23 | ompaul: the script is not running on my pc, its pc > homeserver(the script) > farawaymachine. pc>faraway key works fine. do ssh "pass" the keys in some ways when i first ssh to homeserver then to faraway? |
| 21:22.49 | ompaul | eni23: is pc windows? |
| 21:23.00 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.49 | ompaul | eni23: different keys on different boxes |
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| 21:26.19 | eni23 | ompaul: i was thinking that too, just wondering why the ssh-auth worked if id_rsa.pub was not on the server correctly? |
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| 21:26.55 | ompaul | eni23: without access (which I don't want) I'm leaving speculation out of this one |
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| 21:28.44 | eni23 | ompaul: wouldnt give it. just checked ssh from other boxes and seems like this doesnt happens there, so im fine with |
| 21:29.15 | eni23 | ompaul: thanks for your help |
| 21:30.18 | tinkster | debian 6.0.6, mrtg 2.16.3-3 ... it appears that mrtg is trying to monitor things I didn't ask for, and failing to get systemUptime (which doesn't exist looking at snmpwalk output on the box) generates an e-Mail every 5 minutes, which is annoying ... googling for 1 h shows similar reports for the last 12 years :} ... feeding the option NoMIB2 seems to make this go away; would it be worthwhile to create a bug-report w/ solution? |
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| 21:31.22 | gnarface | tinkster: probably? |
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| 21:37.37 | myth | I pay beer to somone who say how to solve mount: device or resource busy on nfs root |
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| 21:41.55 | jelly-home | that's just the error, what's the failing command or procedure |
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| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | will never find out |
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| 21:46.46 | confusid | How may I list the driver loaded for the video or other things? |
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| 21:48.37 | eni23 | confusid: lspci -v , there is a line: kernel driver in use: |
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| 21:51.08 | confusid | ty |
| 21:52.14 | zaniyah | for those who were wondering (if that was anyone) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Correct_GRUB2_No_Suitable_Mode_Found_Error has almost the answer |
| 21:52.40 | zaniyah | there is a syntax error in the suggested grub config |
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| 21:52.55 | zaniyah | and it doesn't say to update-grub2 |
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| 21:57.48 | bklive | why does fglrx work with r600 x1270 and not FOSS driver? |
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| 21:58.38 | bklive | I have an ATI x1270 and if I use open source driver it dumps X after a few minutes. Stops when I use fglrx-driver even though my card isn't supported |
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| 22:05.51 | talexb | I've installed Debian Live onto an IBM rack that's without a CD-ROM drive. Now I'm trying to add some packages, and the process is asking for me to instert the CD into the drive. |
| 22:06.12 | nkuttler | !tell talexb about sources.list |
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| 22:06.18 | engla | talexb: you need to remove the cd from the sources.list |
| 22:06.26 | talexb | I used a USB key to do the install, and trying to mount that on /media/cdrom isn't making the problem go away. |
| 22:06.43 | talexb | nkuttler, Ah. |
| 22:06.45 | nkuttler | talexb: and don't forget to apt-get update |
| 22:06.56 | talexb | nkuttler, Did that already. ;) |
| 22:07.09 | nkuttler | that? |
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| 22:08.15 | talexb | I did the apt-get update already. |
| 22:08.24 | nkuttler | so fix your sources.list |
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| 22:08.32 | talexb | So the plan is to just comment out all references to the CD-ROM, to force it to go to the network? |
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| 22:08.44 | talexb | Wouldn't it just do that automatically? |
| 22:09.04 | nkuttler | talexb: no, some people don't have a network but a cd/dvd archive |
| 22:10.47 | engla | well it could ask the user about it |
| 22:11.09 | talexb | nkuttler, Ah. I wasn't aware. Thanks for the tip on editing sources.lst .. I've done lots of installs, but this one has been the most challenging. |
| 22:11.36 | nkuttler | are cd sources included even if you configure your sources during install? |
| 22:11.49 | nkuttler | has only used netinst since.. forever... |
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| 22:13.54 | schreber | Quick question, if I set my repo to testing could I technically make an installation of debian 6 a rolling release? |
| 22:14.24 | themill | schreber: no, but you could upgrade to testing. |
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| 22:14.58 | eni23 | nkuttler: on armel-netinst im using it doesnt include the cd sources... |
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| 22:15.00 | schreber | drats |
| 22:15.12 | themill | schreber: what's wrong with upgrading to testing? |
| 22:15.33 | engla | upgrade to a specific release is recommended like wheezy (testing) |
| 22:15.47 | engla | also wheezy is not rolling anywhere, it's freezing towards the release |
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| 22:16.57 | crypticmofo | for anyone using aptitude just a quick question .. you know the symbols next to a package ie .. p or A or whatever |
| 22:17.04 | crypticmofo | what do those mean ? |
| 22:17.20 | abrotman | !aptitude states |
| 22:17.21 | dpkg | The package states indicated by aptitude are: i: installed, p: purged, v: <virtual package>, B: broken. There is also an "A" for automatically installed packages. http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html#figureCurrentFlag |
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| 22:17.27 | abrotman | crypticmofo: those? |
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| 22:17.52 | crypticmofo | hmm |
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| 22:18.32 | crypticmofo | abrotman, so i messing around with aptitude right im doing a tag search with aptitude ie aptituide search '~Gclient~Girc' |
| 22:18.37 | crypticmofo | next to each package is a p |
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| 22:18.42 | crypticmofo | if its purged why is it there |
| 22:18.51 | crypticmofo | doe it just mean that its not installed and nothing about it is installed ? |
| 22:19.17 | simonlnu | yes |
| 22:19.20 | crypticmofo | or on another note .. i have tmux installed right .. it has a i A tmux |
| 22:19.30 | simonlnu | installed, auto |
| 22:19.44 | schreber | themill, nothing I start off with the business card install and before updating I change the repo to testing then update and then install whatever packages I want/need. |
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| 22:20.08 | themill | schreber: you'd be much better off doing the dist-upgrade |
| 22:20.14 | crypticmofo | is the auto what im looking for in the manual/handbook ? |
| 22:20.30 | schreber | themill, I do that after updating |
| 22:20.32 | simonlnu | see the bot's factoid above |
| 22:21.02 | schreber | themill, but before adding any new packages |
| 22:21.13 | themill | schreber: that's an important detail you keep leaving out that makes everyone think you're trying to run a mixture of stable and testing. |
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| 22:21.20 | abrotman | crypticmofo: aptitude still knows about it |
| 22:21.55 | crypticmofo | k |
| 22:22.04 | schreber | themill, opps. the system is "pure" testing no mixture as far as I know. |
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| 22:24.29 | crypticmofo | i know this is trival but can i do a regex search with aptitude to find the state of all packages on my system |
| 22:24.32 | crypticmofo | just something to learn |
| 22:24.45 | crypticmofo | like everything with an i or everything with c |
| 22:24.49 | crypticmofo | i know ~i is installed |
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| 22:25.19 | crypticmofo | i know ~a=action but i don't think that has to do with the current flag state |
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| 22:27.32 | crypticmofo | i think its here http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat |
| 22:28.22 | themill | crypticmofo: what are you trying to find out? |
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| 22:29.09 | akurczyk | hello, i'm installing debina 6 on usb 1.1 (on this computer with cdrom) flash drive (with usb 2.0). the installation takes about a few hours and was almost complete when this computer had a power faulure. can i coninue the installation from the point with selecting packets and mirror? |
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| 22:29.16 | akurczyk | after rebooting? |
| 22:29.26 | akurczyk | or i have to start it again :( |
| 22:29.38 | crypticmofo | themill, just messing around with aptituide was wondering can i do a search by the current flag or whatever that means .. ie can i do a search for all packages that have the -p , purge flag set |
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| 22:32.01 | crypticmofo | i don't need it |
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| 22:33.31 | akurczyk | so can i continue installation from this point after restart? |
| 22:34.06 | themill | crypticmofo: «aptitude search '!?installed!?config-files!?virtual'» perhaps? |
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| 22:37.02 | awc737 | how do I flush dns? |
| 22:37.10 | awc737 | I don't have /etc/init.d/nscd |
| 22:37.36 | simonlnu | maybe unscd ? |
| 22:38.21 | chomwitt | how can i subscribe to pseudo package's bugs sponsorship-requests |
| 22:38.26 | awc737 | i don't even havedon't have unscd either simonlnu |
| 22:38.41 | simonlnu | alright |
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| 22:39.10 | awc737 | i need to flush dns lol |
| 22:39.12 | simonlnu | otherwise wait until the ttl expires for whatever it is ;p |
| 22:39.18 | awc737 | ]:( |
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| 22:40.20 | themill | chomwitt: via the debian-mentor's mailing list is probably easiest |
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| 22:42.39 | chomwitt | themill: if i subscribe to debian-mentors list i'll get the bugs of pseudo-package sponsporship-requests? |
| 22:43.30 | _moty66 | hello, how can I fix this dependencies errors http://paste.debian.net/209668/ |
| 22:44.20 | somiaj | _moty66: do you have non-free sources enabled? |
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| 22:44.49 | _moty66 | somiaj: yes |
| 22:45.03 | somiaj | though I guess that is in non-free so you wouldn't see that otherwise |
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| 22:45.14 | somiaj | have you tried installing the packges it says it is missing (ading them to your apt-get line) |
| 22:45.57 | somiaj | oh wait I see |
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| 22:46.08 | _moty66 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/209670/ |
| 22:46.09 | somiaj | those are only amd64 and i386 packages. |
| 22:46.16 | somiaj | so you won't be able to install them on ppc |
| 22:46.26 | _moty66 | somiaj: ohhh :( |
| 22:46.32 | somiaj | the meta-package is just marked arch all |
| 22:46.47 | somiaj | which I don't know if should be marked as a bug since it isn't installable outside of x86 |
| 22:46.57 | somiaj | (not that it matters those packages don't exist anymore) |
| 22:47.14 | _moty66 | somiaj: I guess it should be fired as a bug |
| 22:48.13 | somiaj | _moty66: not sure if anyone is gonna care, since those pacakges are not in wheezy (either use opneJDK or get java from oracle) |
| 22:48.15 | moty66 | somiaj: can I install other versions, older one for PPC ? |
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| 22:49.01 | moty66 | somiaj: so what can I do to get javac? |
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| 22:49.20 | somiaj | opnejdk-6-jre can be insatlled on ppc it seems |
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| 22:49.43 | schreber | to get a sound indicator (volume control) would I need to install pulse audio or some variant ? |
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| 22:50.16 | moty66 | somiaj: can I install it with apt? |
| 22:50.17 | somiaj | schreber: you don't need pulseaudio to change the volume. Are you just wanting a applet in your pannel you can easily change the volume with? |
| 22:50.25 | somiaj | moty66: of course, I gave you the debian package name. (: |
| 22:50.34 | somiaj | moty66: apt-cache search foo (useful to search for package names) |
| 22:50.44 | moty66 | somiaj: E: Unable to locate package opnejdk-6-jre |
| 22:50.47 | schreber | somiaj, yes if possible. |
| 22:50.56 | somiaj | moty66: its open, sorry my fingers slipped |
| 22:51.01 | somiaj | schreber: what desktop/wm do you use? |
| 22:51.12 | moty66 | does not read |
| 22:51.26 | schreber | somiaj, xfce4 (4.8 based on what testing has installed) |
| 22:52.31 | somiaj | schreber: so look for an xfce4 applet (you might have one in there already, try to right click on your pannel, goto your config settings and try add one) |
| 22:52.51 | somiaj | schreber: I don't use xfce4 so I couldn't tell ya where to look. But I'm sure they have one |
| 22:53.17 | moty66 | somiaj: thanks for your time :) |
| 22:53.42 | schreber | somiaj, thanks. |
| 22:53.45 | somiaj | moty66: yea I was confused for a moment too, I forget that there are non X86 people in the world sometimes. (: |
| 22:54.33 | simonlnu | somiaj: oracle's java won't work on !x86 either |
| 22:54.34 | moty66 | somiaj: I love this box, it is an old iMAC G3 |
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| 22:55.14 | somiaj | simonlnu: good to know, thanks. |
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| 22:58.18 | thor_ | Hello mates :) I got an USB modem and am connecting wvdial to *99$ |
| 22:58.24 | thor_ | *99# |
| 22:58.32 | thor_ | It instantly replies with "NO Carrier" |
| 22:58.38 | thor_ | but if i call my phone number, it works |
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| 22:58.42 | thor_ | Any tip? |
| 23:01.02 | streuner | thor_: get rid of an USB modem |
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| 23:01.48 | thor_ | streuner: its a hsdpa modem |
| 23:02.31 | streuner | thor_: the important thing is, is it supported in Linux... |
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| 23:03.00 | thor_ | Its a Huwei E2550 which should be supported |
| 23:03.15 | thor_ | I also get it working when i dial a real number instead of *99# |
| 23:03.45 | thor_ | Huwei E220* |
| 23:03.49 | streuner | thor_: Huawei's are usually well supported, just google or it |
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| 23:04.27 | streuner | thor_: google for it means (for access data) |
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| 23:06.03 | thor_ | streuner: it also seems like the modem disconnectes every 30secs |
| 23:06.10 | thor_ | Nov 15 23:05:59 raspberrypi kernel: [ 1198.818378] option1 ttyUSB2: GSM modem (1-port) converter now disconnected from ttyUSB2 |
| 23:06.17 | thor_ | Nov 15 23:06:05 raspberrypi kernel: [ 1204.812186] usb 1-1.3: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB2 |
| 23:06.25 | thor_ | happens each 30 sec |
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| 23:06.46 | streuner | thor_: that happens with another OS too? |
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| 23:09.22 | thor_ | streuner: think i found the problem for the dc/s |
| 23:09.25 | thor_ | it requires 500mA |
| 23:09.34 | thor_ | raspberry pi only gives 100mA |
| 23:09.51 | streuner | wtf |
| 23:10.03 | streuner | thor_: cat /proc/version |
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| 23:10.16 | thor_ | Linux version 3.1.9+ (dc4@dc4-arm-01) (gcc version 4.5.1 (Broadcom-2708) ) #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 |
| 23:10.44 | themill | thor_: drawing power from the rpi's usb ports isn't a good plan |
| 23:10.54 | thor_ | Nah i thought it was only 75mA |
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| 23:11.12 | thor_ | the GPS i have is 100mA and works fine |
| 23:11.21 | thor_ | but the 3G Modem is 500mA :P |
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| 23:13.13 | thor_ | streuner: did that give u anything?:P |
| 23:13.49 | streuner | nah, i dont have any experience with that |
| 23:14.16 | streuner | (it should just work, if you using the right access data, IME) |
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| 23:14.53 | thor_ | problem is probably it cant start the "3g" part since it starts drawing too much power and the usb port is disconnected by a fuse |
| 23:15.36 | streuner | thor_: keep in mind, iam using a laptop, not a cellphone |
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| 23:17.10 | confusid | How do I see what older version of gcc is available? I'm trying to install gcc 4.3 but am not doing something right. |
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| 23:17.56 | omani_ | is it possible to launch screen with multiple windows? |
| 23:18.04 | omani_ | is it possbile to write screen scripts at all? |
| 23:18.10 | themill | confusid: that's available for squeeze but not for later releases |
| 23:18.12 | confusid | apt-get install gcc=4.3.5-4 is what I have tried |
| 23:18.14 | streuner | confusid: whatever you are trying to compile, its surely outdated |
| 23:18.36 | confusid | 4.4 is installed now but i need 4.3 inorder for it to compile. |
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| 23:19.32 | streuner | confusid: does the package has a name? |
| 23:20.07 | confusid | http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux |
| 23:20.07 | streuner | confusid: or in other words, what kind of app, do you want to compile? |
| 23:20.15 | confusid | It is a viewer for a game |
| 23:20.48 | confusid | I compiled it with gcc 4.4 and it compiles starts then crashes. After getting help in opensl I need to downgrade to 4.3 gcc and do it again. |
| 23:21.02 | themill | confusid: what release of debian are you using? |
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| 23:21.15 | confusid | squeeze |
| 23:21.31 | themill | confusid: «aptitude install gcc-4.3» |
| 23:21.38 | confusid | with kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
| 23:21.54 | confusid | do I need to remove gcc4.4 first? |
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| 23:22.12 | confusid | apt-get remove --purge gcc ? |
| 23:22.17 | streuner | nah |
| 23:23.01 | streuner | confusid: gcc is just a link, you have always the choice to link to whatever you need |
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| 23:23.26 | themill | or rather, you have the choice to invoke whichever gcc you want; leave the link as it is |
| 23:23.47 | confusid | I didn't know that.. ugh.. ty |
| 23:25.00 | streuner | amset:/home/streuner# ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 23:25.00 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jun 26 03:29 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.7 |
| 23:25.48 | confusid | how do you point it to the other version? ln -l /usr/bin/gcc /usr/gin/gcc4.3? |
| 23:27.02 | themill | confusid: no |
| 23:27.11 | confusid | when I do dpkg -s gcc it shows 4.4.5-1 is that only showing what is linked to? |
| 23:27.39 | themill | confusid: the build system for this thing should let you select what version of gcc you use -- this is normally via the CC environment variable |
| 23:28.41 | confusid | I'm lacking in knowledge on this :/ Need to google more. |
| 23:28.44 | confusid | ty for the help |
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| 23:32.32 | JCDenton | Does bind have any type of error log...? |
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| 23:33.03 | streuner | JCDenton: no idea, but error logs usually live in /var/log? |
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| 23:33.14 | JCDenton | I see nothing there, and bind won't start |
| 23:33.19 | JCDenton | and it's giving me nothing useful to go on. |
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| 23:33.51 | streuner | JCDenton: well, i would ask about bind in #bind anyway |
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| 23:38.53 | bronaugh | hm; linux-3.6-kbuild is missing from experimental. |
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| 23:39.04 | streuner | no wonder |
| 23:39.05 | bronaugh | yet linux-image-3.6* is there, as is headers. |
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| 23:39.38 | streuner | if you using experimental, it often so, that kbuild isnt avialable |
| 23:40.24 | bronaugh | ok; but headers depends on kbuild, which means I can't install headers... |
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| 23:40.47 | bronaugh | which means I can't install anything that uses dkms or anything that's out of tree. |
| 23:40.59 | bronaugh | s/install/use/ |
| 23:40.59 | streuner | bronaugh: the important thing is,why do you need that kernel.... |
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| 23:41.37 | bronaugh | well; because we're running infiniband, and we want to know if the in-kernel nfs/rdma driver has improved. |
| 23:42.01 | bronaugh | since apparently the in kernel tree is now canon. |
| 23:42.29 | streuner | bronaugh: changelog doesnt tell you anything? |
| 23:42.58 | bronaugh | streuner: yeah, what changelog? |
| 23:43.03 | bronaugh | you're forgetting -- they moved to git. |
| 23:43.18 | themill | wonders how that is relevant |
| 23:43.29 | omani_ | what is this sign called? ^ |
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| 23:43.34 | omani_ | => ^ <= |
| 23:43.38 | Infiltrator | omani_: carat, I think. |
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| 23:43.47 | Infiltrator | (Don't trust me on the spelling.) |
| 23:43.54 | streuner | themill: in order that it makes any differences? |
| 23:43.56 | bronaugh | themill: it's relevant because Changelog-3.6 is no longer available on kernel.org |
| 23:44.05 | bronaugh | themill: point releases are, but not the changelog for major kernel versions. |
| 23:44.11 | omani_ | thx |
| 23:44.19 | Infiltrator | omani_: Caret. |
| 23:44.21 | themill | omani_: circumflex accent is the unicode name for it |
| 23:44.27 | Infiltrator | omani_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caret |
| 23:44.52 | themill | (caret refers to a different character in unicode tables) |
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| 23:45.23 | Infiltrator | themill: Oh? So in unicode caret isn't actually '^'? |
| 23:45.33 | omani_ | hmm how do I bind the tmux prefix to caret/circumflex then? :D |
| 23:45.35 | themill | Infiltrator: no, see the link you just pasted |
| 23:45.45 | bronaugh | themill: so OK move to git isn't necessarily that relevant, but absence of changelog is a pain in the ass. |
| 23:45.56 | omani_ | C^a is CTRL+A. so what is a literal ^? |
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| 23:47.06 | streuner | bronaugh: nah, we just told you, you should be sure how a new Kernel helps |
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| 23:47.49 | bronaugh | streuner: right, which would imply that a changelog is out there somewhere. I just said "it's not on kernel.org". so perhaps you would be so kind as to guide me to where it lives now... |
| 23:48.29 | streuner | bronaugh: dude, changelogs are in i-net. come on... |
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| 23:48.57 | bronaugh | streuner: great lazy answer. |
| 23:49.13 | bronaugh | sounds like a more arrogant version of "I don't know" |
| 23:49.17 | Infiltrator | omani_: You just typed it, didn't you? |
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| 23:49.23 | streuner | bronaugh: dont be lazy, and just google |
| 23:49.48 | bronaugh | streuner: BTDT |
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| 23:51.02 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: I just searched for 'linux 3.6 changelog' and the first thing to come up was: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.6 with a list of changes and features? |
| 23:51.41 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: The second result is this: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/ChangeLog-3.6.6 |
| 23:51.54 | omani_ | yes |
| 23:52.01 | omani_ | but it doesn't work |
| 23:52.01 | bronaugh | Infiltrator: yeah. I need the actual changelog. |
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| 23:52.09 | bronaugh | because I need information on some very specific stuff, as described. |
| 23:52.14 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: That's the second one, then. |
| 23:52.26 | bronaugh | no, it's not. |
| 23:52.28 | Infiltrator | omani_: What do you mean it doesn't work? Where are you trying to use it? |
| 23:52.30 | bronaugh | that's the changelog for a point release. |
| 23:52.33 | streuner | bronaugh: its there, if you not sure, just join #kernelnewbies on OFTC |
| 23:52.34 | bronaugh | I need the full 3.6 changelog. |
| 23:52.39 | omani_ | in tmux |
| 23:52.47 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: So you want a changelog from 3.4 to 3.6? |
| 23:52.48 | omani_ | as a prefix instead of C^b |
| 23:53.11 | bronaugh | Infiltrator: usually it would have been 3.5 -> 3.6 in a file called Changelog-3.6 |
| 23:53.15 | akurczyk | hello i have a problem start[D[D[D[D[Chih |
| 23:53.18 | bronaugh | but since around 3.2 that's gone AWOL |
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| 23:53.50 | jmfurlott | Anyone successfully have Debian booting on an iMac? |
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| 23:55.17 | Infiltrator | bronaugh: You can enquire on the kernel ML then; or maybe try #linux? |
| 23:56.28 | akurczyk | hello i habe a problem with starting compiz. it show that it failed to manage screen, and couldn't find managable screens |
| 23:57.03 | bronaugh | Infiltrator: sure. |
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| 23:58.25 | Infiltrator | omani_: What did you put into your tmux.conf? |
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| 23:58.52 | bronaugh | Infiltrator: kernel ml is obviously an inappropriate forum for this question, though :/ just so you know in future. |
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| 23:59.14 | simonlnu | omani_: paste.debian.net/209688 |
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| 23:59.55 | jviotti | hi guys! I configured ssh, and created a new user called 'guest' to login. But when invoking ssh to my host, it automatically tried to authenticate as my default user: 'jviotti'. How can I make that every box that tries to connect to mine, is asked for authentication for 'guest' user? |
| 23:59.59 | Infiltrator | omani_: I put 'set -g prefix ^' into my tmux.conf and it worked for me. |