| 00:00.29 | themill | dpkg: tell jviotti about cross-post |
| 00:01.12 | omani_ | ok |
| 00:01.15 | omani_ | works. thx |
| 00:01.20 | nickdaly_ | jviotti: it tries to log in as your current login on your client-box. So, you were logged in as the jviotti account on your client. To change that, invoke ssh as: "ssh (user)@(host)" |
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| 00:04.54 | Infiltrator | omani_: I think that you will also need to 'unbind C-b' if you want that one to not the prefix. |
| 00:05.07 | Infiltrator | omani_: Sorry; 'unbind-key C-b'. |
| 00:06.00 | omani_ | don't have to |
| 00:06.07 | omani_ | c-b already has no function anymore |
| 00:06.19 | Infiltrator | Well there you go. :P |
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| 00:11.27 | simonlnu | Infiltrator: see my paste |
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| 00:14.03 | Infiltrator | simonlnu: My bad; I missed that. |
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| 00:15.14 | Infiltrator | Anybody know why bornaugh thought that the kernel ML is an inappropriate forum to ask about a changelog for the kernel? I'm curious. |
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| 00:21.22 | simonlnu | np |
| 00:22.10 | simonlnu | was busy tweaking xdm's colours ;p |
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| 00:28.53 | jpinx-trapper | is it me or is youtube-dl broken in backports? |
| 00:29.15 | somiaj | youtube-dl is just a script, so maybe the backports version is just old |
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| 00:29.18 | somiaj | ,v youtube-dl |
| 00:29.19 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2012.02.27-1; sid: 2012.09.27-1 |
| 00:29.23 | themill | youtube did an amount of breaking of things recently |
| 00:29.33 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-trapper: youtube keeps changing its format, so youtube-dl keeps having to be updated |
| 00:29.37 | jaggz | is there a text version of the debian version in /etc or elsewhere? |
| 00:29.39 | jpinx-trapper | it installs ok, but does not actually download anything "cannot download video" not a helpful error :( |
| 00:29.46 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:29.48 | jaggz | (not on the web.. elsewhere on the server) |
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| 00:30.01 | jaggz | right.. that's text.. but I mean not numerical in nature |
| 00:30.10 | LtL | jpinx-trapper: youtube-dl -update fixed mine, or maybe --update |
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| 00:30.16 | somiaj | the only hard version of youtube-dl from sid is python >= 2.6 -- so you should probably be able to just install that package (though I'd manually download it) |
| 00:30.22 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: lsb_release -a |
| 00:30.25 | somiaj | sorry hard dependency |
| 00:30.32 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: however, unreleased versions of Debian do not have versions... |
| 00:30.33 | jpinx-trapper | LtL: I just did a reinstall |
| 00:30.46 | jaggz | no lsb_release |
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| 00:31.15 | somiaj | jaggz: there is an lsb-release package but it may not be installed by default |
| 00:31.30 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: /etc/debian_version is the file that has the numeric version string too; lsb_release -a is the portable way to get that number. |
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| 00:31.36 | themill | jaggz: what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 00:31.48 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: if there isn't a numeric string in /etc/debian_version, then you're not using a version of Debian which has released. |
| 00:31.49 | jaggz | This server's at 5.0.6.. which is a lenny version .. but I am only periodically returning to administration nowadays and I always forget it |
| 00:31.50 | jpinx-trapper | somiaj: sounds like a plan ,,, thanks |
| 00:32.19 | dondelelcaro | (or it's an old version, or someone has screwed with that file) |
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| 00:32.20 | peterrooney | jaggz: what prevents an in-place upgrade? |
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| 00:34.15 | jaggz | remote server.. and today it had some problems with booting.. something was going on with the ups and it caused 12 reboots in an hour or so. I think that messed up the bios and someone at the facility was finally able to get the boot device up again (it was only listing the cdrom and the NIC as boot devices.. scared me) |
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| 00:35.06 | jaggz | basically, I'm just a bit concerned about my availability to get over there if there are problems with the in-place upgrade |
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| 00:37.18 | jaggz | also, I had a heck of a time doing that update on my local laptop... complications of 3rd party repository installations... lots of held back packages |
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| 00:38.39 | peterrooney | fair enough. last two lenny upgrades I did, I knew there would be network issues, so waited until I was onsite |
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| 00:39.58 | jaggz | I accidentally ran a safe-upgrade command on one remote server when I had intended to type it into a local machine (via ssh) |
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| 00:42.14 | peterrooney | $PS1='\w \H \@ \$' and it'll probably never happen again |
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| 00:42.48 | peterrooney | can't believe he put the $ at the front... |
| 00:45.10 | jaggz | it says the host.. just a silly mistake |
| 00:46.08 | jaggz | although your host is after the path.. maybe that's a good thing |
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| 00:48.23 | peterrooney | jaggz: while I'm all for general->focused->specifics ordering of data, I make exception for administering - it could be argued that in general, the host you're issuing a command on IS the specifics of the matter |
| 00:48.24 | Cyclohexane | How do I change the default MTA? I have exim4 installed but procmail still calls sendmail |
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| 00:49.28 | dondelelcaro | Cyclohexane: it'll always call sendmail |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | Cyclohexane: /usr/lib/sendmail is part of exim, and is the interface for sending mail |
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| 00:49.44 | jpinx-trapper | somiaj: that worked :) thanks :) |
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| 00:55.06 | nachos | Can anyone reccomend a good SCP client ( gtk+ ) and a good usenet client ( GTK+ ) |
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| 00:56.58 | Cyclohexane | dondelelcaro: I get this sh: sendmail:/usr/sbin/sendmail: not found |
| 00:57.01 | nachos | acutally just a scp client |
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| 00:57.42 | jaggz | peter, specific.. pertinent.. I wonder if there's a good word for this.. |
| 00:57.47 | jaggz | importance? |
| 00:57.54 | jaggz | fuzzy data ordering :) |
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| 00:59.23 | dondelelcaro | Cyclohexane: uh... do you actually have exim4-daemon-heavy or exim4-daemon-light installed? |
| 01:00.07 | peterrooney | Does KDE still have a fuzzytime clock? |
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| 01:02.08 | themill | peterrooney: fuzzy clock is one of the clocks available to you, yes |
| 01:03.24 | Cyclohexane | dondelelcaro: I have the light version |
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| 01:09.26 | nsadmin | where does the debian vers of wine pur its storage by default? |
| 01:10.14 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: beyond ~/.wine ? |
| 01:10.20 | scrogson | Is there a command to update the the sudo privileges for a group other than manually updating with visudo? |
| 01:10.27 | nsadmin | maybe that is where it is |
| 01:10.32 | Infiltrator | nsadmin: I think it's ~/.wine |
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| 01:11.35 | Infiltrator | scrogson: I don't think that it's safe to use anything other than visudo (it does checks and what-not, I think). |
| 01:13.35 | nsadmin | great, found it |
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| 01:14.36 | scrogson | Infiltrator: yeah, you're probably right, I'm just trying to automate as much as possible :) |
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| 01:18.57 | Guest79540 | anyone on that can answer a question? |
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| 01:20.16 | gomie | hi all. Trying to get glhack to run on my raspberry pi wo success. Keep getting gl error :( |
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| 01:21.31 | zykotick9 | gomie: i'm surprised the raspberry pi has 3d/opengl support... |
| 01:22.16 | gomie | I tried all the alternate --modes. Perhaps it's my Mac mini? zykotick9 |
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| 01:22.46 | gomie | Er nevermind |
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| 01:23.04 | gomie | I'm running on raspberry pi |
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| 01:23.41 | Guest79540 | programs and files i installed yesterday are not installed. Files and folders I deleted are back in their origional spot. folders i created yesterday are non existant.. What in the world is happening? Debian 6.0.6 squeeze |
| 01:24.11 | Guest79540 | and no im not using a live disk. |
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| 01:29.33 | mevon | hello |
| 01:29.39 | Amanas | hi |
| 01:29.55 | gomie | Heh |
| 01:30.09 | mevon | I need help debuging the serial output of a connection |
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| 01:31.41 | mevon | im just wondering how I can create a tty and connect to it in python and view the outputs on the serial port |
| 01:32.04 | mevon | serial comm* |
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| 01:34.27 | abrotman | this seems like mnore of a #python question? |
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| 01:43.57 | kristian-aalborg | so, it seems that my CUPS printer job has stalled |
| 01:44.03 | kristian-aalborg | been waiting for an hour now |
| 01:44.18 | kristian-aalborg | I think I've exhausted the lpstat possibilites |
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| 02:22.30 | lonewlf | there was some enterprise level free backup software that made it onto slashdot recently... free as long as you were backing up to your own machines on your local network? does anyone remember this? I can't remember a name for the life of me... |
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| 02:23.03 | abrotman | search google? |
| 02:23.25 | krion | or even slashdot |
| 02:24.57 | themill | dpkg: tell lonewlf about cross-post |
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| 02:29.32 | n2diy_ | Librecad isn't ready for production, and qcad isn't available from backports for Squeeze, so I'm in a jam. Can I install an earlier version of Debian to get access to Qcad, or do I need to go back to Xubuntu 10.04? |
| 02:30.15 | themill | n2diy_: you should be able to get qcad from snapshot.debian.org |
| 02:30.34 | n2diy_ | themill, cool, thanks. |
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| 02:32.43 | themill | n2diy_: (there's a chance that qcad and partlibrary were removed from there too as they contain stuff that is not distributable) |
| 02:33.28 | n2diy_ | themill, ok, find out in a second, I'm getting ready to search the website. |
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| 02:34.18 | n2diy_ | themill, qcad is available. |
| 02:36.03 | Uuni | goodnight friends... |
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| 02:37.07 | Bird|lappy | hrm...so browser-plugin-vlc, gecko-mediaplayer, or pick the one that corresponds to your favorite media player? (this is on testing btw :) |
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| 02:48.56 | un214 | test |
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| 02:50.50 | kristof | Hey guys, quick question! |
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| 02:51.27 | kristof | When unstable is freezed and moved into testing in preparation of stable, do NO new packages come into testing? |
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| 02:51.57 | themill | kristof: unstable is not frozen; testing is frozen and yes (almost) no new packages will get into testing |
| 02:52.10 | themill | dpkg: tell kristof about slushy |
| 02:52.18 | jmfurlott | Trying to boot debian on a mac after fresh install. Right now after the rEFIt screen, I get to grub but it can't load anything and dumps me into a console…any ideas to get grub right |
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| 02:52.43 | kristof | jmfurlott: Have you taken the appropriate steps to get GRUB right on UEFI? |
| 02:52.50 | Bird|lappy | which would be a better choice for a Debian (testing) system: browser-plugin-vlc, gecko-mediaplayer, or pick the one that corresponds to your favorite media player? (I use Chromium as my browser btw) |
| 02:53.19 | jmfurlott | kristof, I don't know. there are so many competing articles on it I can't exactly figure out what do. I believe I haven't |
| 02:53.23 | kristof | Bird|lappy: Whichever you happen to prefer. |
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| 02:58.10 | Bird|lappy | ok, browser-plugin-vlc is working :) |
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| 03:25.02 | somiaj | raspbian does have their own support chan |
| 03:25.30 | gomie | Ok |
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| 03:26.48 | Cyclohexane | Nevermind <_< |
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| 03:32.00 | Shidash | Hi, I'm having a bit of a problem. I tried to update and upgrade on aptitude and it suggested I remove my kernel or update with some version. I tried to update it but it tells me no space is left. No partition is full. aptitude clean and autoclean don't help. Someone I know said it might be hard drive failure. Does anyone have any idea what is wrong or how I could get more information? |
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| 03:33.52 | somiaj | Shidash: you can check dmesg, if it is a drive failure, you will probabaly see lots of errors |
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| 03:34.37 | scrogson | I created a user and put it in the sudo group...I'm getting this error: Sorry, user deployer is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/psql' as postgres on localhost. |
| 03:34.41 | darkelfjuggalo | I am on Debian Squeeze, Someone went through and deleted files without my knowledge... is there a way to recover them? |
| 03:35.35 | somiaj | by default no. Once a file is deleted they are gone (there are rare cases they are in a trash bin, but I don't know many file managers that do that) |
| 03:36.25 | darkelfjuggalo | ugh, and for the ones that allow it, they have to be install before the fact, right? |
| 03:37.02 | somiaj | and the person who deleted the files would have to have used that. |
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| 03:37.29 | somiaj | there are tools to try to scan your harddrive and recover deleted files. It is slow, time consuming and you get lots of junk with it |
| 03:37.39 | Shidash | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/i0pkH2LL is the output of dmesg. Does this look like a drive failure? |
| 03:38.04 | nomasteryoda | darkelfjuggalo, you can boot live into a Linux disk and recover if they were recently deleted... using photorec ... finnix has this... as does trinity |
| 03:38.07 | nomasteryoda | rescue cd |
| 03:38.30 | nomasteryoda | it's painful, but can at least recover some of your files |
| 03:38.37 | darkelfjuggalo | they were deleted last night. |
| 03:38.44 | somiaj | Shidash: nope, usually you have tons of I/O errors with a dying hd |
| 03:38.51 | darkelfjuggalo | this is a NEtbook, no disc drive |
| 03:39.01 | nomasteryoda | live usb then |
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| 03:39.22 | nomasteryoda | but you need to use another computer to download the usb bootable image |
| 03:39.48 | scrogson | got it figured out |
| 03:39.49 | somiaj | Shidash: what were you upgrading too/from? also what is the output of df? |
| 03:40.00 | darkelfjuggalo | my usb fried trying to be Ubuntu on a newer laptop[ this stuff that is deleted was queued into my drop box, but drop box full before synced] |
| 03:40.37 | Shidash | somiaj: Any clue what might be wrong? I was installing some packages to get audio to work in wine and then decided to update and upgrade but it had a lot of conflicting stuff and dependencies. After choosing one of the solutions it asked me if I wanted to remove my kernel or update it. One second, let me get some more output |
| 03:41.03 | somiaj | Shidash: also what is the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 03:41.16 | Shidash | somiaj: df output http://pastebin.com/h5AFkeSh |
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| 03:42.16 | Shidash | somiaj: apt-cache policy output http://pastebin.com/urnixg2B also I was using aptitude generally |
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| 03:43.52 | somiaj | yea I don't see what could be causing your issues. so what is the exact error/output you get when you try 'aptitude upgrade' |
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| 03:46.06 | Shidash | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/aWPqFYd9 is some output of what I was doing. I eventually chose one of the less ominous looking solutions. And this is what I have from after I did that in another terminal (this shows where it said I should remove my kernel or update it) http://pastebin.com/HXqVyX1Q |
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| 03:47.40 | jampola | hey all, last night had 2 machines with static ip's suddenly ditch the static ip's and get an ip via DHCP. Does configuring the interface as static in /etc/network/interfaces have no bearing anymore or am I missing something? |
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| 03:49.24 | somiaj | Shidash: looks like you mixed/matched a bunch of packages and have a dependency error. You can try aptitude -f install (or apt-get -f install) or you can try to fix the dependency errors |
| 03:49.48 | somiaj | my guess with you talking about wine and seeing the output is multiarch woes |
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| 03:50.52 | un214 | yeah that makes sense. next time, debootstrap your 32bit env in a chroot jail |
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| 03:52.17 | somiaj | I think the only issue I ran across was to install the 32bit nvidia libs I had to find an unoffical multiarch lib. Wine works fine here (though I ddi build it in a 32bit chroot) |
| 03:52.25 | somiaj | but I installed it outside of the chroot |
| 03:53.10 | Shidash | ok, trying aptitude -f install, hopefully it will work |
| 03:53.25 | un214 | it turns out the core libraries somehow don't collide but the accessory ones do so you can really screw up your box if you install any 32 bit packages not specially compiled to work on your 64 bit system |
| 03:53.26 | somiaj | it will most likely give you similar output...you may want to try to fix some stuff by hand |
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| 03:53.52 | Shidash | yeah, but the not enough space error when trying to update the kernel is something I have no clue how to fix |
| 03:54.04 | somiaj | yea you have to be careful, and yes only libaries are multiarch, binaries have to be one xor the other. |
| 03:54.05 | un214 | ouch! |
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| 03:54.34 | somiaj | Shidash: resize your lvm, your root (thus /boot and /etc/moduels where they put stuff for kernels) is really full |
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| 03:55.41 | somiaj | sorry I ment /lib/modules -- that takes up about 130 megs per kernel |
| 03:55.43 | Shidash | yup, got the same output as before |
| 03:55.55 | Shidash | is there a way to clear it out? or resize while still running? |
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| 03:56.01 | somiaj | so you may just not have enough space to put in a new kernel |
| 03:56.13 | somiaj | it looks like you had lvm setup, but I ahve no experience with resizing |
| 03:56.25 | Shidash | yeah, I do have lvm setup |
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| 03:56.57 | Shidash | in my /lib/modules I have 3.2.0-2-amd64 3.2.0-3-amd64 3.2.0-4-amd64. Is there a way to remove one of those safely? |
| 03:57.05 | Shidash | and would that free up space? |
| 03:57.10 | somiaj | you could do dpkg -l | grep linux, maybe you have multiple kernels installed |
| 03:57.11 | abrotman | yes and yes |
| 03:57.18 | somiaj | that is it, remove the extra kernels you are not using with dpkg --purge |
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| 03:58.17 | abrotman | used aptitude! |
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| 03:58.50 | dvs | abrotman GOT aptitude! |
| 03:59.07 | somiaj | yea I just am not use to it working well when you have dependency issues |
| 03:59.11 | somiaj | but that might just be apt-get |
| 03:59.27 | Shidash | http://pastebin.com/7jQeunP3 is the output of dpkg -l | grep linux. It looks like I do have multiple kernels installed? But which one should I remove? |
| 03:59.48 | abrotman | somiaj: it won't have dependency issues |
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| 04:01.38 | somiaj | Shidash: uname -r -- figure out what kernel you are running and you can safely remove the others. though lookslike you want to rmove linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 and then install the new one linux-iamge-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:01.46 | choonming | for those using debian with nfs-kernel-server, did you guys manage to get the nfs logging to work? |
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| 04:02.28 | Shidash | Okay, so I'm running 3.2.0-3-amd64. So I should be able to safely remove the one with -2 to install the one with -4, right? |
| 04:02.35 | somiaj | yes |
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| 04:02.41 | Shidash | Sorry, I'm just trying to be really careful so I don't completely wreck my installation |
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| 04:02.51 | somiaj | then after you are sure the -4 one works, you can remove the -3 to save space. |
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| 04:04.28 | hesco | I have a recurring and annoying situation where my cdrom gets in a state in which it answers sudo umount /media/cdrom0; saying it is 'not mounted'; then ignores my sudo eject command. In the past I have only been able to recover by restarting the box. Is there any strategy short of a reboot which would permit me to recover use of my drive? Just got an new cd in and am eager to hear it w/o interrupting the work currently on my desktop. |
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| 04:06.25 | themill | assumes "paperclip in hole" is not what hesco wants to hear |
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| 04:06.55 | peterrooney | themill: I don't want to hear it either |
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| 04:07.10 | hesco | looking for a paper clip now, though would be happy to know how to do this with a keyboard as well. |
| 04:07.19 | thursday | which channel should I join to ask about debian packaging? |
| 04:07.36 | somiaj | thursday: you can try here, but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place to. |
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| 04:09.01 | hesco | might have to steal some paperclips from work on Friday. Not sure I have any |
| 04:09.14 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:09.22 | hesco | also, what I thought was a hole seems to actually be an led light. |
| 04:09.22 | thursday | ok. well. attepting to debug dpkg -i mypackage.deb.. the package pre remove script fails (i beleive it should as it tests database connectivity). dpkg has remember all my answeres to the questions it asks, and has stopped asking me one of these.. so I want to tell dpkg to forgot my previous answers. how would I do this? |
| 04:09.56 | Shidash | ok, I think that worked |
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| 04:10.52 | Shidash | I've also been having an issue with firefox crashing and having to manually kill it. Could that be related? It only started when I got that error and its still happening but I'm not sure how it would be connected |
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| 04:15.15 | hesco | the eject button on my vlc client works no better than the one at the cli. |
| 04:15.31 | abrotman | you have an eject button at the cli? |
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| 04:16.35 | hesco | I have an eject command in the cli, and an eject button on the vlc client and neither is working. |
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| 04:17.01 | hesco | abortman: /usr/bin/eject |
| 04:17.16 | hesco | abrotman, rather: /usr/bin/eject |
| 04:17.47 | grothendieck | which storage type is better for a KVM storage pool -- giving it a file system directory or an LVM volume group? |
| 04:18.05 | grothendieck | Or rather what are the advantages and disadvantages of either |
| 04:18.14 | irinix | okay, just installed debian 6.0.6 on my xps l702x, got all my audio/video/crap working. I've tried installing firefox from the linuxmint debian repository and although yes, it does install, if I try to launch it, it simply crashes to either a black screen, or a multicolor screen of gibberish... |
| 04:18.17 | irinix | help? |
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| 04:18.38 | grothendieck | It seems that creating new virtual storage devices in LVM takes longer |
| 04:18.44 | grothendieck | but I wonder if it is faster once set up? |
| 04:19.05 | grothendieck | Would ##linux be a better place to ask about this, since my question isn't debian-specific? |
| 04:19.21 | abrotman | probably better to ask the KVM people |
| 04:19.24 | hesco | grothendieck: lvm offers plenty of advantages all the way around, whether for a kvm or not. |
| 04:19.39 | grothendieck | yeah, I have LVM set up for my whole system |
| 04:20.01 | hesco | lvm will permit you to resize the partitions assigned to your vm |
| 04:20.06 | grothendieck | cool |
| 04:20.23 | grothendieck | in terms of I/O speed, is there considerable difference? |
| 04:20.35 | hesco | then I would use the existing lvm installation to create new logical volume and assign those to your vm |
| 04:20.54 | hesco | I can not imagine there would be |
| 04:21.04 | grothendieck | Right on. |
| 04:21.23 | grothendieck | Just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. Thanks! |
| 04:21.44 | hesco | to improve i/o, you can (1) get a faster drive; (2) build a RAID from multiple devices; (3) get the network out of the way |
| 04:22.08 | irinix | is anyone using firefox 16 on squeeze? |
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| 04:22.31 | grothendieck | yah, 16.0.2 |
| 04:22.43 | hesco | I did not write LVM, nor have I ever hacked on it, but it seems to be a pretty thin layer |
| 04:22.48 | grothendieck | right |
| 04:23.20 | irinix | grothendieck, is there any trick to getting it to play nicely? |
| 04:23.40 | grothendieck | the only reason I even asked is because creating a 20 GB virtual storage on LVM took a lot longer than it did when I was just using a file system |
| 04:23.45 | hesco | irinix: I'm wondering why you would pull FF from the mint repo to install on your debian installation. Why not go straight to source if you have to have the latest |
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| 04:24.08 | grothendieck | but I imagine ti will actually be faster with LVM since there is no qcow2 or other such formatting to bottleneck I/O |
| 04:24.17 | irinix | hesco, even the source crashes, consistently. I know it's something I'm doing wrong, but I'm not sure what it is. |
| 04:24.18 | irinix | =( |
| 04:24.35 | grothendieck | I'm writing more or less directly to the disk from VM rather than to a file that represents a disk |
| 04:24.47 | abrotman | !mdn |
| 04:24.47 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
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| 04:24.59 | grothendieck | well I will keep playing with it, but LVM seems right thanks for your advice again |
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| 04:25.31 | irinix | I do not want to use Iceweasel, it lacks features that I require. |
| 04:25.37 | grothendieck | irinix: It's always played nicely...I just followed the instructions from debian mozilla website and installed from backports |
| 04:25.39 | irinix | such as solid plugin support. |
| 04:25.40 | grothendieck | Oh |
| 04:25.52 | grothendieck | I'm using Iceweasel |
| 04:25.58 | grothendieck | I thought that's what you meant |
| 04:26.00 | grothendieck | Nevermind then!~ |
| 04:26.02 | themill | irinix: orly. Changing an icon makes that much difference, does it? |
| 04:26.03 | hesco | I'd call it more of a hunch, not quite an educated guess, certainly not advice. My actual advice would be researched or tested. |
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| 04:26.11 | grothendieck | haha |
| 04:26.13 | irinix | themill, it's not just the icon |
| 04:26.32 | grothendieck | looks away before this gets ugly |
| 04:26.33 | themill | irinix: sorry, it's the name in the title bar too. silly me. |
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| 04:26.44 | irinix | its the addon's man. the plugins, they just don't work right in Iceferret |
| 04:26.54 | Shoya | Iceweasel! |
| 04:26.55 | themill | irinix: *shrug* they work for me |
| 04:26.59 | grothendieck | me too |
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| 04:27.03 | Shoya | n-not ferret! |
| 04:27.11 | abrotman | so he'll ask irc.mozilla.org about Firefox? |
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| 04:28.04 | grothendieck | if Firefox is really that important then you could run it from inside a VM |
| 04:28.20 | grothendieck | or use Ubuntu |
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| 04:29.42 | grothendieck | Though I am reminded of one strange thing -- if you go to gmail in iceweasel it detects that you are using an outdated browser and gives you the HTML-only version |
| 04:29.49 | grothendieck | (sometimes) |
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| 04:30.17 | grothendieck | not sure why |
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| 04:31.16 | jmfurlott | Quick question about screen turning black on boot. I installed Debian without gnome and was able to boot to a command line using the nomodeset option in grub. I then installed the radeon drivers and gnome using apt-get and rebooted. Now my screen turns black after GRUB even if I set nomodeset again. I cannot TTY either |
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| 04:32.17 | choonming | for those using debian with nfs-kernel-server, did you guys manage to get the nfs logging to work? |
| 04:33.05 | choonming | instructions were to set the logging value in /proc/sys/sunrpc/nfs_debug but sunrpc does not exist in the first place |
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| 04:40.24 | Shidash | ok, going to try to reboot and see if it starts |
| 04:43.47 | hesco | choonming: did you try creating that path and file? |
| 04:44.10 | choonming | hesco, what are the circumstances of doing so? |
| 04:44.25 | choonming | if its not there means it is the kernel's doing |
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| 04:48.50 | myth | choonming: how ur talking about NFS did u already saw nfs support options on 3.6.6 kernel? |
| 04:48.59 | Shidash1 | Thanks everyone! My system booted just fine. Only issue now is iceweasel still freezes when I click bookmarks or any of the buttons on the interface. Uninstall and reinstall didn't help, strange |
| 04:49.09 | Shidash1 | oh, also sound is broken too but working on fixing that |
| 04:49.46 | choonming | myth, i installed the nfs via the nfs-kerner-server and i dont see anywhere i can enable logging more verbosely |
| 04:49.59 | choonming | myth, http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/General_troubleshooting_recommendations#Getting_detailed_debug_output_of_the_client.2Fserver_interactions |
| 04:50.09 | choonming | thats where i was looking at to enable the logging |
| 04:50.27 | myth | I see |
| 04:50.52 | Rusty1 | Shidash1: start iceweasel in a terminal, see what messages follow |
| 04:51.18 | myth | so u don't saw the nfs support? |
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| 04:52.25 | Shidash1 | Rusty1: No messages follow |
| 04:52.52 | myth | I just saw it today and enjoying it here choonming |
| 04:53.03 | Shidash1 | it freezes when I click something on the interface or change windows and then I kill it manually and it says terminated |
| 04:53.08 | choonming | myth, not at all |
| 04:53.21 | choonming | my kernel is still on 3.5.x and its provided by linode |
| 04:53.38 | Rusty1 | Shidash1: try : strace iceweasel |
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| 04:55.38 | myth | the same 4me |
| 04:55.51 | Shidash1 | it starts and a bunch of text is printed but then when I click bookmarks it says wait4(8176, and then nothing after that |
| 04:57.10 | myth | I never tried nfs root and I don't see it on 3.6.6 kernel support |
| 04:57.13 | Shidash1 | http://pastebin.com/Ff76re0b output as far back as it goes until I killed it manually |
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| 04:57.53 | Shidash1 | geez, is it just me or does it look like it is having problems with pulse? |
| 04:59.11 | Shidash1 | yup, removing pulse fixes it |
| 04:59.24 | mcrss | Hello everybody. I have installed php 5.4.8 from source code with GD support. But I can't set up ttf supporting. ./configure says that --with-ttf is unrecognized option. --with-freetype-dir=DIR and --enable-gd-native-ttf dont working as well. Is there any bug or this is my mistake? |
| 04:59.34 | Shidash1 | I wasn't playing any music when iceweasel opened either. How on earth did pulse break firefox? |
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| 04:59.50 | myth | and there are new packages like ceph |
| 05:00.16 | Rusty1 | Shidash1: dunno, #firefox might be a place to ask, or #pulseaudio |
| 05:00.21 | myth | options* |
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| 05:05.50 | lusers | How do I rotate a monitor using NVIDIA's blob? So much madness with configuring /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
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| 05:07.40 | Shidash1 | heh, I don't care enough about that. Now I just need to figure out how to reinstall WINE without screwing my system up again with 32 bit libraries |
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| 05:12.15 | choonming | myth, so did you have nfs logging for your servers? |
| 05:12.22 | Rusty1 | Shidash1: #winehq for that maybe |
| 05:13.00 | myth | choonming: I don't |
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| 05:13.30 | gwb3 | Does the web team for Debian have their own channel? |
| 05:13.44 | gwb3 | (on Freenode) |
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| 05:15.34 | sary | Salutations, so running wheezy .. am trying to install empathy IM client , right! it pulls-off other packages ( brasero - cheese - evolution ) , almost like these packages are tied to empathy . So i though this could be coming from a metapackage , but that can not be .. as i haven't installed any metapackage. |
| 05:15.57 | Shidash1 | Rusty1: Thanks |
| 05:16.37 | sary | someone though , they are " Recommends " but it turned out that's not the case as if . |
| 05:17.27 | themill | sary: real output in a pastebin would be handy. I don't think anyone knows what you're talking about yet |
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| 05:17.37 | sary | it's annoying! where is this coming from .. I just need Empathy . |
| 05:17.42 | myth | do u have experience with nfs root choonming ? |
| 05:17.54 | choonming | myth, sadly no |
| 05:18.02 | sary | hello themill , sure thing .. how about a screenshots/ :) |
| 05:18.34 | themill | no thanks.... output from apt-get or aptitude would be better |
| 05:19.37 | choonming | myth, is this nfsroot referring to diskless fs? |
| 05:20.04 | myth | yes |
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| 05:22.16 | sary | themill: http://pastebin.com/c6zCxd3F , http://pastebin.com/P39VF9fm |
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| 05:23.31 | themill | sary: I'm not seeing anything unusual there |
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| 05:26.00 | sary | themill: http://pastebin.com/6Y0zj8m5 |
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| 05:26.59 | themill | sary: yes. the only thing i can see wrong there is that apt doesn't trust your packages source at the moment (do you have debian-archive-keyring installed? is the date right? have you run apt-get update?) |
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| 05:27.18 | sary | themill: brasero - cheese , nautilus , .. |
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| 05:27.40 | sary | i don't need those , i only asked for empathy! |
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| 05:28.10 | sary | themill: am not sure about " debian-archive-keyring " leeme check .. |
| 05:28.11 | themill | sary: cheese isn't being installed. If you disable recommends for this installation, you won't get nautlius or brasero |
| 05:28.57 | choonming | myth, i would say that nfsroot would be incompatible with my current setup |
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| 05:29.09 | sary | themill: tha's what i though i might do , but there ar not listed as such , |
| 05:29.39 | sary | Alright so , debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:29.45 | sary | is installed . |
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| 05:30.27 | myth | why choonming |
| 05:30.44 | choonming | myth, client's requirements |
| 05:32.08 | sary | themill: and by date , you mean the timezone! |
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| 05:38.07 | KsM | is there a way to fake keyboard input with /proc or something |
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| 05:39.03 | sary | themill: alright , timezone checked with localtime are identical. |
| 05:39.22 | themill | sary: apt-get update should complete without errors or warnings |
| 05:39.22 | sary | KsM: with udev! |
| 05:40.06 | sary | themill: okay , thanks . |
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| 05:40.44 | KsM | sary: how do you mean? |
| 05:42.17 | lusers | uestion: How do I update to experimental nvidia-glx? sudo apt-get -t experimental install nvidia-glx -- does not do anything other than reporting "already the newest version" |
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| 05:44.14 | sary | KsM: by fake , you mean a " simulate tablet keyboard input " , right! |
| 05:44.55 | sary | check with udev rules .. /etc/udev/ |
| 05:44.58 | KsM | yeah, simulate a keyboard input |
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| 05:50.15 | sary | KsM: or use xdotool http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xdotool |
| 05:51.16 | KsM | thanks |
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| 05:58.43 | sary | themill: http://pastebin.com/UhLXQ3fe |
| 05:59.18 | themill | sary: yes? |
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| 06:00.38 | sary | that still pulls Cheese , or am i mistaken! |
| 06:01.56 | sary | and if i choose to continue , some Recommended packages telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut telepathy-haze .. won't be install ,right! |
| 06:02.02 | simonlnu | cheese-common. read what it says |
| 06:02.20 | sary | and i have to install them manually. |
| 06:02.41 | themill | sary: or you just let it install recommends. I don't understand what your question is |
| 06:03.33 | simonlnu | ,deps telepathy |
| 06:03.43 | simonlnu | erp? |
| 06:04.11 | themill | "depends" , and the package has to exist, too :) |
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| 06:04.40 | simonlnu | 10-4 |
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| 06:05.01 | sary | simonlnu: cheese-common , i know what it is for , i don't need as am trying to install empathy , or do i need it . |
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| 06:05.39 | themill | packages listed as "depends" tend to be dependencies, that is to say, something depends on them being installed |
| 06:06.15 | simonlnu | only cheese needs that |
| 06:07.08 | sary | so , your saying cheese-common is listed as depends for Epmathy! |
| 06:07.26 | simonlnu | may bad, in the empathy deps: libcheese-gtk21 |
| 06:07.29 | simonlnu | my* |
| 06:07.48 | simonlnu | that's pulling in cheese-common |
| 06:08.10 | themill | dpkg: tell sary about aptitude why |
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| 06:08.15 | sary | themill: am not sure what you is it that you can't understand , am just tryinf to install Empathy! |
| 06:08.23 | sary | if I : sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install empathy |
| 06:08.36 | simonlnu | sary: you're not understanding |
| 06:09.04 | myth | choonming: one day we will expend days choosing modules and options to compile a clean kernel (( |
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| 06:09.18 | themill | sary: empathy relies on libraries to do various things for it -- it will rely on a camera library to be able to do video chat over some protocol and cheese is that library |
| 06:09.22 | Devastator | sary it's a chain of deps, empathy depends of a package, that depends of other packages and so on |
| 06:09.24 | themill | ,why empathy cheese-common --release wheezy |
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| 06:09.56 | judd | Packages empathy and cheese-common in wheezy/i386 are linked by 2 chains: empathy ▶ libcheese-gtk21 ▶ cheese-common; empathy ▶ libcheese-gtk21 ▶ libcheese3 ▶ cheese-common |
| 06:10.22 | simonlnu | that's what he said ;) |
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| 06:11.25 | simonlnu | apt-cache rdepends cheese-common ; apt-cache depends empathy |
| 06:12.14 | sary | if i choose to " apt-get --no-install-recommends install empathythat would prevent ( brasero - cheese - evolution ) from been installed , which is what i need , but yet still that would prevent the most recommends packages for empathy which happen to be (telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut telepathy-haze |
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| 06:13.37 | sary | Now , does that make sense! |
| 06:13.43 | simonlnu | so? you install those as well -- your apt-get command line doesn't take just one option here. |
| 06:13.57 | simonlnu | if you want them, append them |
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| 06:17.56 | Devastator | sary does that sound good for you? apt-get --no-install-recommends install empathy telepathy-gabble telepathy-salut telepathy-haze |
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| 06:19.51 | esaym153 | does anyone know a fix other than compiling a new driver for: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2012/09/msg00296.html ? |
| 06:19.57 | sary | themill: Devastator .. that's that's understandable, but what i don't understand and am trying to is : why on earth a package pulls-off other packages which are not deps nor even recommends! |
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| 06:20.34 | sary | forget about Cheese , am talking about brasero and evolution .. try to install empathy and see for yourself. |
| 06:20.43 | sary | Plus , apt-cache show empathy | grep Recommends |
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| 06:21.12 | sary | that doesn't even list those two packages as Recommends |
| 06:21.35 | themill | ,why empathy brasero --release wheezy |
| 06:21.40 | sary | Now! someone please explain that for me! |
| 06:21.48 | Devastator | we will.. |
| 06:21.55 | themill | sary: you can use "aptitude why" to explain that quite easily. Or what judd will soon say... |
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| 06:22.08 | judd | Packages empathy and brasero in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: empathy ▷ nautilus-sendto-empathy ▷ nautilus-sendto ▶ nautilus ▷ brasero |
| 06:22.14 | sary | Thanks a lot guys . |
| 06:22.35 | Devastator | now, can we rest or you still have questions? |
| 06:23.03 | Devastator | sary can you see the chain now? |
| 06:23.19 | simonlnu | themill: i imagine | > is a recommends or suggests and |>> is a dep ? |
| 06:23.29 | sary | Devastator: you can always rest :) |
| 06:23.34 | simonlnu | (that's what it looks like to me from here) |
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| 06:24.17 | jelly-home | Devastator: rest? It's 7am |
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| 06:25.01 | Devastator | jelly-home 4:24 here hehe |
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| 06:25.35 | jelly-home | you're not chained to the channel, Devastator |
| 06:25.37 | sary | Devastator: I see the links , but i don't even use nautilus .. |
| 06:26.30 | Devastator | sary empathy depends on nautilus-sendto-empathy, which depends on nautilus-sendto, which depends on nautilus, which depends on brasero |
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| 06:32.32 | sary | you mean nautilus-sendto-empathy depends on > nautilus-sendto > depends on empathy depends on > brasero |
| 06:33.58 | Devastator | ... I give up |
| 06:34.34 | sary | how can a single stand alone program depends on an extension, yet depnds on anoth stand alone program! |
| 06:34.56 | jelly-home | easily |
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| 06:35.21 | simonlnu | nautilus-sendto deps on nautilus. brasero deps on nautilus. n-s-empathy deps on n-sendto. empathy recommends or suggest n-s-empathy. this is gnome for you ;) |
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| 06:35.44 | sary | stand alone program depends on an extension , easily! get out here :D |
| 06:35.45 | jelly-home | no, this is Debian's screwed up Recommends |
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| 06:36.06 | simonlnu | well, that too |
| 06:36.07 | jelly-home | weren't meant to be chained or nested |
| 06:36.16 | sary | simonlnu: exactly what i thought! |
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| 06:36.55 | sary | it's all a Gnom'ish thing ... but i don't use gnome lol |
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| 06:48.12 | myth | what's the utility to use checksum target on iptables mangle ? |
| 06:50.30 | myth | don't understood the real utility for that |
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| 06:51.38 | subb1 | Hi everyone |
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| 06:52.42 | subb1 | I just got my php5 installed on debian6 with following- php5-mysql, php5-cgi too. When I run a php -v I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/R24ud7Ff Please helP!! |
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| 06:54.07 | mcrss | subb1: some your code uses pdo-mysql |
| 06:54.31 | mcrss | subb1: pdo-mysql and mysql are different things |
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| 06:56.03 | subb1 | But I'm unsure of what to do mcrss . I have pdo_mysql.so under /usr/lib/php5/20090626/ !! |
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| 06:56.30 | mcrss | subb1: oh sorry, php5-mysql includes pdo-mysql |
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| 06:57.01 | mcrss | subb1: what does phpinfo() say? |
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| 06:57.24 | mcrss | subb1: in PDO section |
| 06:57.53 | subb1 | one sec please let me check |
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| 07:02.26 | subb1 | there is only 1 entry having 'pdo' string in phpinfo and that is this: /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/pdo_mysql.ini under "Additional .ini files parsed" |
| 07:02.32 | subb1 | mcrss |
| 07:03.29 | subb1 | I'm not seeing a separate section for PDO mcrss |
| 07:03.39 | mcrss | subb1: what is in that file? |
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| 07:03.48 | mcrss | extension=... |
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| 07:05.52 | subb1 | ; configuration for php MySQL module |
| 07:05.53 | subb1 | extension=pdo_mysql.so |
| 07:06.14 | subb1 | mcrss the above 2 lines are there in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/pdo_mysql.ini |
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| 07:07.31 | mcrss | subb1: should be a pdo.ini file with contents "extension=pdo.so", and pdo.so in your extensions dir |
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| 07:09.24 | subb1 | ther is a pdo.so in /usr/lib/php5/20090626 , but no pdo.ini ! |
| 07:09.28 | subb1 | mcrss |
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| 07:09.42 | mcrss | subb1: just add it :) |
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| 07:11.43 | subb1 | no luck still mcrss - http://pastebin.com/iDeEv4Z4 |
| 07:11.53 | subb1 | these are my dir contents |
| 07:12.16 | tWag | hi, tried debian wheezy but my printer have problems "unknown IPP tag". Google gives many anwser but no solutions |
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| 07:12.33 | tWag | someone know a working workaround? |
| 07:12.45 | mcrss | subb1: no no, pdo.ini must be in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ |
| 07:14.09 | subb1 | my god it worked like charm mcrss :D |
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| 07:16.46 | subb1 | mcrss thanks bunches. i mean where can i read more about this and how do you even troubleshoot this kind of module errors? I 'm so at loss when it comes to apache+php :( |
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| 07:17.28 | sithfm | https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/establish-new-legal-system-motorcycle-riding-judges-who-serve-police-judge-jury-and-executioner-all/QS9sBWBc |
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| 07:17.43 | sithfm | whoops sorry |
| 07:18.40 | mcrss | subb1: no problem ) So i'm not an expert with this stuff. I just had a similar problem in past |
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| 07:19.49 | mcrss | subb1: i have decided to go away from apache and use php-fpm |
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| 07:20.31 | subb1 | mcrss, dangg I thought i found a new teacher for myself ;) php-fpm thats too new for me. Is it used with nginx? |
| 07:20.56 | mcrss | subb1: yes, nginx |
| 07:21.55 | mcrss | subb1: just today i came here to solve a problem with TTF fonts support in GD |
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| 07:22.43 | subb1 | mcrss, great. I've heard its much lightweight. But I need to get my feet right on apache+php before i jump on nginx... ah you're new here and proved of much help for me. I'm lucky today :D |
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| 07:23.02 | mcrss | subb1: :) |
| 07:23.57 | subb1 | later mate mcrss.. so I was here in midst of a serious issue i was dealing... thanks a lot again !! |
| 07:24.14 | mcrss | subb1: you may try nginx as a frontent proxy with apache+php backend as a first step |
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| 07:24.45 | subb1 | mcrss, good. I'll need to look into it. |
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| 07:27.17 | mcrss | subb1: in future You just will replace heavy apache with php-fpm |
| 07:28.07 | subb1 | mcrss: yes I guess :) |
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| 07:37.32 | funkadelic | how can I specify a static IP but make it switch to DHCP if the static IP info fails? |
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| 07:40.24 | ectospasm | funkadelic: how do you expect the static info to fail? |
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| 07:40.50 | ectospasm | funkadelic: if you can't set a static address, then DHCP probably won't help you. |
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| 07:41.27 | funkadelic | I expect it to fail when I connect to another ethernet connection with a different gateway IP |
| 07:41.43 | funkadelic | ectospasm^ |
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| 07:42.07 | ectospasm | ...explain the topology, I still don't understand. |
| 07:42.15 | ectospasm | funkadelic: ^ |
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| 07:42.48 | funkadelic | I'll mostly be connecting to one network via ethernet |
| 07:42.57 | funkadelic | but occasionally, I'll take the device to another network |
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| 07:43.01 | funkadelic | and connect via ethernet there |
| 07:43.22 | funkadelic | the gateway IP addresses for the 2 networks are different |
| 07:43.33 | ectospasm | so set up two different profiles. Are you using NetworkManager? |
| 07:43.38 | funkadelic | I want a static IP on the first network, but I don't care on the second one |
| 07:44.06 | funkadelic | I'm on Raspbian, using its wpa_supplicant GUI |
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| 07:44.14 | funkadelic | maybe I should ask them |
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| 07:44.31 | ectospasm | yeah, Raspbian != Debian... |
| 07:44.41 | ectospasm | I mean, it's probably based on debian. |
| 07:44.44 | funkadelic | Oh I thought it was debian |
| 07:44.54 | funkadelic | just with a few tweaks |
| 07:44.54 | ectospasm | ...but that doesn't mean we support it here. |
| 07:45.02 | funkadelic | but still entirely debian |
| 07:45.08 | funkadelic | oh mmkay |
| 07:45.10 | ectospasm | funkadelic: #raspbian |
| 07:45.45 | ectospasm | you'd be surprised out how divergent "a few tweaks" can be. |
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| 07:55.54 | cardiel | im going to run a site but the nameserver is on a another host. i have pointed both www.example.com and example.com to my server ip and added servername www.example.com and serveralias example.com , is this right? |
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| 07:56.58 | _br_ | cardiel: Do you mean "run a site" == httpd and "nameserver" == dns ? |
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| 07:57.59 | ceptor | Hey, i would love to hear a independant oppineon from you. Dedicated Server, Debian squeeze, randomly freezing every 24-48 hours -- even when not under high load. They are no suspicious log entrys written (rsyslog on remote server). Problem is present with default kernel and kernel from backports. No abnomaities in smartctl. The host is running QEMU/KVM and Nginx. The Provider says all tests for hardware failure went negative. |
| 07:58.04 | ceptor | ... how probable is hardware failure here? |
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| 07:58.50 | mcrss | cardiel: it's a normal situation |
| 07:59.04 | cardiel | _br_, yes i already have apache installed and configured the virtualhost to servername www.example.com and serveralias example.com |
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| 07:59.25 | mcrss | cardiel: httpd and nameserver on different hosts |
| 08:00.05 | cardiel | mcrss, ok , but i wondered about the apache configuration. with servername www.example.com and serveralias example.com , is that right? |
| 08:00.21 | mcrss | cardiel: yes |
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| 08:00.38 | safridzal | something error on my KDE after last upgrade (and i dont really know which): the ability to search/add theme, widget, decorator, etc gone now. it says : unknown open colaboration service API error. any help? |
| 08:00.49 | mcrss | cardiel: but i prefer to have www.* as an alias ) |
| 08:00.54 | myth | ceptor lack of memory? |
| 08:01.06 | safridzal | and I dont know which package to report bug.. |
| 08:01.26 | safridzal | tracking testing here. |
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| 08:01.42 | ceptor | myth: munin states 4-12GiB are free at the time of the crashes. |
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| 08:02.52 | cardiel | mcrss, ok .. but it will work?.. i wont need to use a rewritecond and rule or? |
| 08:03.02 | myth | ceptor it's very broad to tell u a exactly advice |
| 08:03.08 | mwargh | ceptor: nothing in syslog? |
| 08:03.15 | _br_ | cardiel: well, then it should be ok. As long as the dns is pointing to the correct ip. |
| 08:03.23 | mwargh | ceptor: run memtest or how it's called |
| 08:03.44 | mwargh | p memtester - A utility for testing the memory subsystem |
| 08:03.48 | mwargh | this one |
| 08:03.54 | mcrss | cardiel: it will work. You may create as much aliases as you need per one virtual host |
| 08:03.58 | myth | ceptor try looking for the server system also |
| 08:04.09 | ceptor | mwargh, well, the last entries written are usually about dnsmasq (qemu), let me create a pastebin. |
| 08:04.27 | mwargh | ceptor: yep, it may help |
| 08:05.22 | mcrss | cardiel: rewrite rules may be useful if you want to REDIRECT from one address to another |
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| 08:05.31 | ceptor | mwargh, http://pastebin.com/KmYGRq0e not much prior to that |
| 08:06.08 | mcrss | cardiel: aliases don't redirect visitor |
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| 08:06.25 | ceptor | myth, no suspicious entrys direct on server. that why we set up remote logging. |
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| 08:07.42 | mwargh | ceptor: nothing else? |
| 08:07.45 | ceptor | mwargh, the log from pastebin is literally the last thing we hear from the server. |
| 08:07.49 | mwargh | huh |
| 08:08.05 | mwargh | is it always the same? |
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| 08:08.42 | myth | ceptor I mean to u look for logs, for the usage of processor... and all that could disturb |
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| 08:09.26 | ceptor | myth: we set up munin for that, there is literally nothing different from the other servers we monitor |
| 08:09.56 | mwargh | i'm pretty sure it's hardware |
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| 08:10.51 | ceptor | mwargh, i thought so too, but i wanted to be sure before bothering the provider. |
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| 08:11.19 | ceptor | Thanks myth & mwargh |
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| 08:11.55 | mwargh | ceptor: run memtester |
| 08:11.57 | mwargh | really |
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| 08:12.14 | boudiccas | safridzal, install ogcheck and let that run for 24 hours and then see what it shows uop with regard to this problem. it might help in pointing you to which package to file a bug against too |
| 08:12.26 | boudiccas | logcheck |
| 08:12.51 | cardiel | mcrss, ok.. thanks |
| 08:13.08 | mcrss | cardiel: no problem |
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| 08:14.38 | ceptor | mwargh, the provider already did that, he states the tests for memory failure went negative. |
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| 08:15.07 | boudiccas | ceptor, 'went negative'? what do you mean please? |
| 08:15.13 | cardiel | mcrss, do you know if its possible to remove a modsecurity rule for a virtual host. secremoverulebyid in the httpd.conf ? |
| 08:15.14 | ceptor | but i think we could try the memory tests again, just to be sure |
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| 08:16.06 | ceptor | boudiccas, sorry, I am not a native speaker. I was trying to say the Provider discovered no problems in his test suite. |
| 08:16.37 | boudiccas | ceptor, okay, you meant 'were negative' :) |
| 08:16.42 | ceptor | (we forced them to do them twice) |
| 08:17.08 | safridzal | boudiccas: would you please explain to me how logcheck works? "man logcheck" is kind a hard to understand |
| 08:17.35 | mcrss | cardiel: sorry, i have never used modsecurity... |
| 08:17.53 | cardiel | mcrss, ok |
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| 08:18.15 | safridzal | so if the " unknown open colaboration service API error" happen, the logcheck will know? do i have to "sudo logcheck" myself ? |
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| 08:18.22 | ceptor | I guess i will run memtest on my own, and demand new Hardware after that. Because i cant really figure out what else to do :) |
| 08:18.25 | boudiccas | safridzal, it emails you periodic emails when its rules spark up an email from something its just seen in the logs its montoiring. its very good and saves trying to parse the logs for past events as you see them in more or less real time |
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| 08:18.54 | mwargh | safridzal: what exactly is hard? The logcheck program helps spot problems and security violations in your logfiles automatically and will send the results to you periodically in an e-mail. By default logcheck runs as an hourly cronjob just off the hour and after every reboot. |
| 08:19.10 | mwargh | /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles is the list of files to monitor. |
| 08:19.14 | mwargh | /usr/share/doc/logcheck-database/README.logcheck-database.gz for hints on how to write, test and maintain rules. |
| 08:19.17 | mwargh | just read it |
| 08:19.21 | mwargh | don't skim |
| 08:19.29 | safridzal | mwargh: i've read it.. thanks |
| 08:20.13 | safridzal | and idk what skim is, thats not on my dictionary |
| 08:20.41 | boudiccas | safridzal, you *skim* milk to get the cream off |
| 08:21.11 | mwargh | safridzal: not really reading, just scrolling really fast and reading maybe 10% |
| 08:22.17 | safridzal | aghh.. still dont know, (is that important if i know the meaning of skim?) english isnt my 1st lang |
| 08:22.31 | mwargh | safridzal: it isn't my 1st too |
| 08:23.13 | boudiccas | safridzal, to praraphrase, read it carefully and slowly. take your time |
| 08:23.32 | safridzal | boudiccas: 'kay, thanks :D |
| 08:23.44 | mwargh | it's just, i've seen many people (myself included) to not really _read_ mans, and then ask somebody else for help |
| 08:23.51 | mwargh | as i found out, it doesn't work |
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| 08:24.17 | safridzal | mwargh: but i've read that man.. thanks |
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| 08:24.50 | safridzal | if you didnt want to help, i think its better to shut up. :D |
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| 08:27.39 | mwargh | it's not that i don't want to help, it's that ours definition of help differs |
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| 08:28.27 | lusers | He don't want to spoonfeed you. |
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| 08:32.47 | safridzal | lusers: great, now i know what skim is..hehe.. but mwargh, i dont want such spoonfeed, I've googling, read some bugreport about my problem, and put my question here because i cant find it yet. |
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| 08:33.38 | boudiccas | safridzal, this is just one line of a recent email from logcheck ... Nov 16 07:16:11 london dbus[2150]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' (using servicehelper) ... just as an example of how it shows information to you |
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| 08:42.34 | mrAZ | looking for info about cisco vpn ... i received config like: Cisco-AVPair="XXX", Auth-Type := Local, User-Password == "xxxx" ... i did not find which client should i use |
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| 08:43.34 | mwargh | mrAZ: try vpnc. at least it worked for me |
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| 08:47.03 | mrothe | How do I get a package into Debian? |
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| 08:48.19 | mwargh | mrothe: elaborate |
| 08:48.32 | mwargh | which package? from where? |
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| 08:49.51 | mrothe | mwargh: I would like to stop compiling dterm on every debian machine I run. http://www.knossos.net.nz/resources/free-software/dterm/ |
| 08:50.12 | mrothe | mwargh: I am maintaining a 'autotoolified' version at https://github.com/mrothe/dterm |
| 08:50.48 | mrothe | mwargh: simple configure && make && make install. Should be really easy to package. |
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| 08:51.47 | safridzal | how about using checkinstall? |
| 08:52.02 | mrothe | safridzal: what's checkinstall? |
| 08:52.17 | mrothe | safridzal: (rethorical question, I'll google) |
| 08:52.31 | safridzal | lol.. great :D |
| 08:52.57 | mwargh | mrothe: checkinsall may do |
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| 08:53.30 | mrothe | safridzal, mwargh: okay, looks okay. I'd still prefere if dterm would ship with debian. ;-) |
| 08:54.14 | mwargh | mrothe: another way is to use fakeroot and create package by hand |
| 08:54.25 | Trewas | mrothe: you can file a request-for-package bug (RFP), or make a package yourself and look for a DD to upload it (debian-mentors mailing list etc) |
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| 08:54.55 | mrothe | Trewas: DD? |
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| 08:55.25 | Trewas | mrothe: debian developer, i.e. those who have rights to upload packages |
| 08:56.06 | mrothe | Trewas: okay, thanks. |
| 08:57.41 | mrothe | So... how do people orgainze their debian/rules? is there a central repo for them? |
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| 09:15.11 | ChrisH | Is it possible to configure an UMTS Stick without using Network Manager on a headless server. |
| 09:17.16 | streuner | ChrisH: wvdial? |
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| 09:18.27 | ChrisH | streuner: So the answer to my question is: yes, it possible. :) |
| 09:18.51 | streuner | ChrisH: sure, do you use e-plus? |
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| 09:20.21 | ChrisH | streuner: I do not yet know which provider to use. I need to suggest a solution to my parents for their time between handing-over their house and being able to move into the next one. I need to check the providers there. |
| 09:21.11 | streuner | ChrisH: well, it depends where they live, IMO |
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| 09:21.58 | ChrisH | they will move to Bitburg. |
| 09:22.18 | streuner | ChrisH: e-plus is in most case the cheapest solution, but they have only UMTS in big cities... |
| 09:22.31 | streuner | ChrisH: well, t-online then :-) |
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| 09:24.32 | ChrisH | O2 seems to work also. Enough time to verify until then. I just need an idea on what is possible without changing setup at all :) |
| 09:24.56 | streuner | ChrisH: Tagesflat 2 Euro E-Plus, i get a good connection (not UMTS) here in Pirmasens, which is possibly similar to Bitburg |
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| 09:25.45 | streuner | ChrisH: good connection means about 200-300kb/s |
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| 09:27.42 | streuner | ChrisH: but check this out -> http://www.onlinekosten.de/mobilfunk/mobile-datentarife/tagesflatrates |
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| 09:28.41 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all |
| 09:28.44 | ChrisH | streuner: what about LTE? Is that laendliches Gebeit as it was asked from BNetzA? We are talking about 1-2 month expected |
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| 09:29.01 | Aprendiz1234_ | I have a problema update debian squeeze in power pc, give me not found errors |
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| 09:29.41 | Aprendiz1234_ | but I could upgrade from lenny, the problem is only updating |
| 09:29.46 | Aprendiz1234_ | any idea? |
| 09:30.08 | Sm0ke0ut | Aprendiz1234_: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 09:30.32 | ChrisH | Aprendiz1234_: you might want to add the errors seen to your paste |
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| 09:31.42 | Aprendiz1234_ | http://pastebin.com/4qYg598R |
| 09:31.47 | streuner | ChrisH: no idea, but i doubt that you are able to get it in Bitburg yet, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution |
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| 09:32.36 | streuner | ChrisH: "Die Telefónica Germany startete mit der Marke O2 sein Angebot Anfang Juli 2012 in den ersten Großstädten Dresden und Nürnberg" |
| 09:33.55 | boudiccas | if i was to remove network-manager, how would i get online with a eth0 connection please? |
| 09:34.10 | streuner | interfaces? |
| 09:34.13 | nkuttler | boudiccas: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:34.21 | boudiccas | thank you |
| 09:34.36 | streuner | !+tell boudiccas -about interfaces |
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| 09:35.05 | boudiccas | streuner, ? |
| 09:35.11 | streuner | * dpkg hat die Verbindung getrennt (*.net *.split) |
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| 09:36.07 | _neil_ | example: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up && route add default gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 09:36.14 | _neil_ | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:36.29 | Aprendiz1234_ | Sm0ke0ut: http://pastebin.com/4qYg598R |
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| 09:38.31 | papanatas | hei |
| 09:38.54 | papanatas | mudule-assistant (m-a) does not list all the modules I have, and I want just to recompile one module. |
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| 09:49.16 | boudiccas | how can i get just /one/ package [network-manager] for wheezy please? i'm running wheezy now and want to remove it, but just in case i cant get back online again, i want to be able to dpkg -i network-manager as a fasllback |
| 09:49.26 | Aprendiz1234_ | ChrisH: I can access |
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| 09:52.09 | jelly | boudiccas: -d, --download-only + reinstall option |
| 09:52.28 | jelly | eg. apt-get -d --reinstall install stuff |
| 09:52.28 | boudiccas | jelly, thanks |
| 09:52.40 | jelly | or whatever aptitude has for reinstall |
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| 09:53.51 | boudiccas | jelly, but that wont wotrk if i've not got eth0 access through screwing up my network-interface will it? so i think i need to d/l network-manager first so that i can then install it if necesary later |
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| 09:55.09 | jelly | yes, you did just ask what you need to do first? |
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| 09:57.40 | boudiccas | jelly, i think i'm confused! i currently have network manager managing my eth0 connection, which i want to remove. i think that i've configured my network-interface so that it should run with ... sudo ifup eth0 ...but just in case i want to have network-manager.deb able to be reinstalled so that i can get back online again. does that make sense? |
| 09:57.43 | ChrisH | boudiccas: do you have a DHCP server on your lan? |
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| 09:58.36 | boudiccas | ChrisH, its justt one wheezy box connected with eth0 to my dlink router and the isp ADSL cable |
| 09:59.12 | jelly | boudiccas: I don't think you need to remove or reinstall anything to take an interface away from network-manager or to give it back |
| 09:59.25 | boudiccas | ChrisH, so i dont know if i have DHCP enabled for it, hwo do i tell please? |
| 09:59.35 | jelly | doesn't it just ignore interfaces configured explicitely in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 10:00.05 | streuner | she have to disable the daemon in any case |
| 10:00.21 | streuner | (network-manager) in order to use interfaces |
| 10:00.31 | boudiccas | jelly, atm it does, but when i apt-get remove network-manager it will use the confiured interfaces then |
| 10:00.35 | ChrisH | boudiccas: check ps -efl | grep dhcp and check /etc/network/interfaces and pastebin the eth0 part(s) |
| 10:01.13 | jelly | boudiccas: again, I don't think you need to remove it |
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| 10:01.42 | jelly | but I don't know much about interfaces(5) and n-m interaction |
| 10:02.04 | ChrisH | network-manager and me will never become friends.... for most of my systems. Only on a few Laptops it makes sense for me. |
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| 10:05.29 | boudiccas | ChrisH, http://dpaste.com/831997/ |
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| 10:07.39 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i've written the network/interfaces in advance of trying it out, but thtas the complete file |
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| 10:13.25 | ChrisH | boudiccas: You do have DHCP and therefore I would remove the #NetworkManager# from line 16. I also would put # before lines 19-21 |
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| 10:13.47 | boudiccas | ChrisH, ok, thanks |
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| 10:18.10 | boudiccas | ChrisH, now i've written your suggestions, do you reckon that its safe to remove n-m and then sudo ifup eth0 ? |
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| 10:19.37 | ChrisH | boudiccas: removing n-m is allwyas safe :)... I do not see any problem to be expected. It might be needed to ifdown eth0 or ifconfig eth0 inet 0.0.0.0 down manually |
| 10:20.39 | boudiccas | ChrisH, okay thanks, see you on the other side. |
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| 10:21.15 | ChrisH | boudiccas: looking forward to send greetings then |
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| 10:22.39 | boudiccas | Problem - sudo ifdown eth0 ifdown: interface eth0 not configured ... just remove n-m anyway? |
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| 10:24.21 | ChrisH | what does ifconfig -a show? that messages is OK if the interface was not configured using ifup, therefore I said ... it might be needed.. above |
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| 10:24.38 | CQ | hello, I need help getting a folder shared under wheezy. I have security=user, username map is set, but trying to mount from another host givessmbd/service.c:995(make_connection_snum) Can't become connected user!Can't become connected user! |
| 10:24.57 | CQ | I've set a password in smbpassword, passwords are encrypted, but no luck |
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| 10:25.16 | ChrisH | CQ: smbpassed -a USER ; smbpased -e USER done? |
| 10:25.47 | CQ | ah, not -e'ed yet |
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| 10:27.20 | ChrisH | CQ: -add -enable |
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| 10:27.38 | CQ | enabled, but no change... |
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| 10:27.50 | CQ | when i mount -t cifs dows it send the password in plain or encrypted? |
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| 10:29.52 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i cant remove n-m, this shows why http://dpaste.com/832004/ . so how do i do it please without breaking my system? or can i just leave it in but turned off? |
| 10:30.01 | ChrisH | CQ: honestly I do not care, as any remote FS actions are unsecure by default. sshfs is different but slow |
| 10:30.42 | CQ | hm, one step forward: smb_pam_passcheck: PAM: smb_pam_auth failed - Rejecting User nils ! |
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| 10:30.49 | CQ | this is in a local home network only |
| 10:31.07 | CQ | the user is added and enabled... why would it be rejected??? |
| 10:31.08 | ChrisH | boudiccas: I do not know, but ain't gnome only a task not a 'real' package? |
| 10:31.41 | ChrisH | CQ: start with smbclient -N -L $HOST if that works, add the username it -u or -U |
| 10:32.08 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i thought it is a meta-package, but i dont really want to break gnome or xfce if i can help it, but i would like to get rid of/turn off network manager |
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| 10:34.26 | CQ | tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 10:34.33 | CQ | this is with -U |
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| 10:34.58 | ChrisH | CQ then it seems like username/PW is incorrect |
| 10:35.43 | CQ | no, thats with teh correct password, with teh incorrect passwords I get session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 10:36.06 | ChrisH | CQ: you are right. then your smb.conf need some tuning |
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| 10:41.19 | cantoma | hey guys, I am currently using wmaker and I have a 22'' widescreen with 1920 x 1080. Currently I cannot see all my screen area and when move my mouse close to the borders of the screen, the screen moves up or down. I think there must be some problem with the screen setup. I have tried to change the resolution of the screen like this http://pastebin.com/6VzXEE98 but I end up with a cropped screen. Any ideas?? |
| 10:41.24 | CQ | chrish does wins need to be enabled? Its the same one that used to work on a ubuntu installation... |
| 10:41.26 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i think that if i comment out all the lines in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf then try to start it it wont work so i'll still retain it, but not have it owrking so i'll be able to use my /netwrok/interfaces file. does that make sense? |
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| 10:43.09 | CQ | smbtree is showing nothing shared... does that mean anything? |
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| 10:47.42 | CQ | chrish argh I think I have it, I had some parts of [homes] commented out but not all of it... PEBCAC |
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| 10:49.45 | ChrisH | CQ: testparam (started to write this a while ago, but was intereruppted to finish) |
| 10:51.05 | ChrisH | boudiccas: remove the startup links for network-manager? |
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| 10:51.38 | boudiccas | ChrisH, no, just comment out all the contenst of /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf so its not configured so cant run |
| 10:52.44 | boudiccas | its a hack but it means that i keep network-manager and dont break xfce or gnome but can still use /netowrk/interfaces |
| 10:52.56 | CQ | ChrisH: I had run that but the output looked good... |
| 10:53.37 | CQ | boudiccas: I use network interfaces and just set the interfaces to auto eth0 |
| 10:53.39 | CQ | iface eth0 inet static |
| 10:53.49 | CQ | then NM seems to ignore tehm |
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| 10:54.17 | boudiccas | CQ, i'm trying to stop network-manager from running so i can use my interfaces |
| 10:54.51 | ChrisH | with NM there is a lot of "seems to" "should" "looks like" "don't now why" |
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| 10:55.11 | CQ | you don't need to stop it from running... |
| 10:55.15 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i know, i'm hacking it. just about to try it |
| 10:55.37 | diverdude | Hello...my debian machine is not being connected to the LAN. For some reason it gets no IP address - if i check ifconfig there is no ip address. How can i check if the machine has been preset with some specific subnet or ipadress or similar, which may avoid it being connected to the LAN? |
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| 10:56.44 | boudiccas | CQ, sudo: iface: command not found |
| 10:56.53 | ChrisH | diverdude: not connected to LAN or WLAN, so why do you want to assign an IP? |
| 10:57.14 | ChrisH | boudiccas: he ment put that into network/interfaces |
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| 10:57.28 | boudiccas | ChrisH, ah, doh! |
| 10:57.51 | CQ | boudiccas: no, thats the CONTENT of the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 10:58.13 | CQ | see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 10:59.43 | CQ | OK, samba problems solved, thanks chrish |
| 11:00.03 | ChrisH | CQ: yw! |
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| 11:08.59 | safridzal | i'm using testing 64bit, and my friend (using mint) show me that mint 14 have problem with multiarch. Should I enable multiarch on my debian? i've read on debian wiki, but it doesnt tell me if i need to enable it or not.. |
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| 11:09.29 | CQ | grrr.... is there a way to get the window list in gnome 3 without going to teh top left corner? go to top left -> go to right side -> select desktop -> select window is too many &/$/ clicks !! -> click on |
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| 11:09.55 | CQ | safridzal: do you have any problems? if not, leave everything as is. |
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| 11:10.49 | safridzal | CQ: wew.. ok then. :d thanks |
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| 11:14.25 | ChrisH | CQ ALT-TAB ? |
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| 11:18.31 | Furai | Hello. |
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| 11:19.15 | Leoneof | somiaj: i've installed kernel 3.2 backport for squeeze, and i'm able to use bluetooth to send/recieve files from Nokia 6600 |
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| 11:19.44 | sebyte | http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all |
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| 11:20.34 | esing | How do I install php-cli or php in debian? |
| 11:22.02 | Leoneof | somiaj: thanks :) |
| 11:22.25 | ChrisH | esing: aptitude search php5-cli ; then apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 11:23.40 | esing | ChrisH Oh, I installed already php5-cli. I thought I would also need php-cli because the program I use asks for php specifally: rss: Plugin will not work. rTorrent user can't access external program (php). I read in a forum that I would need to edit the php.ini, but for php5 I do not find any php.ini in /etc |
| 11:26.07 | eni23 | there are too many wlan-networks in my neighborhood, is there something i can do? |
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| 11:28.30 | cantoma | hey guys, i realised that xorg.conf is not around anymore. Is there other file where I could see the current screen configuration? |
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| 11:29.08 | gnarface_ | eni23: there is such a thing as wi-fi signal jamming wallpaper and paint. its expensive and i dunno how mainstream but that would fix it. |
| 11:29.34 | eni23 | there are no free channels except 12-14, works fine with nearly every device but not with BCM4313 |
| 11:29.59 | gnarface_ | cantoma: its just optional now, because there are some cases where auto-detection might give you an optimal configuration. you can still create one (and i recommend doing so because frankly i think the auto-detection is written by people who don't test it very well) |
| 11:30.28 | gnarface_ | eni23: you could just get a signal jammer or run your microwave all the time then nobody will get to use theirs either |
| 11:30.44 | eni23 | gnarface_: thought to buy an transmitter with >2w would work but not legal here |
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| 11:30.54 | cantoma | gnarface_, i am having problems because i am using a widescreen and the current configuration crops the screen. |
| 11:31.34 | eni23 | gnarface_: hehe :) my microwave consumes a little too much power |
| 11:31.42 | jargon | what's the svn package for debian? |
| 11:31.42 | gnarface_ | cantoma: nothing significant about the xorg.conf structure or syntax has changed, it just now tries to do without. if you're getting unsatisfactory results then create an xorg.conf as you normally would |
| 11:32.10 | gnarface_ | jargon: subversion, i believe |
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| 11:32.48 | jargon | gnarface_: ah, of course. thanks |
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| 11:35.11 | eni23 | gnarface_: this wallpaper & paint wifi blocking thing does not seems to be ready yet |
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| 11:40.13 | gnarface | eni23: expensive, perhaps. ready, certainly: http://www.amazon.com/Y-Shield-Shielding-Paint-liter-size/dp/B0025Z8GAY |
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| 11:42.12 | gnarface | esing: the debian packages give a separate php.ini to the cli php and the apache one. look in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini or something like that |
| 11:42.52 | gnarface | esing: this is so that they can have different runtime configurations as when used in tandem they are often used so with different security requirements |
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| 11:44.17 | esing | Oh great for that tipp, I found it in cli/php.ini and I will try if I changing its settings. Thanks :) |
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| 11:46.12 | gnarface | esing: no problem. don't forget that if you install php5-cgi it also uses its own php.ini in a similar fashion, separate from the cli and mod_php ones. |
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| 11:47.45 | boudiccas | right, its definetly working this time, network-manager is not running, but sudo ifup eth0 brings up the network without network-manager and everything seems to work, except for sendmail. |
| 11:47.58 | eni23 | gnarface: oh would need about 20 litres of it. thats really too much |
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| 11:48.41 | boudiccas | iftop shows activity, and ps -efl | grep dhcp doesnt show network-manager |
| 11:48.53 | gnarface | eni23: you could always switch to wires... |
| 11:49.03 | p0g0 | eni23: you might look at directional antennas, or the 5.x GHz bands |
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| 11:54.31 | esing | gnarface Oh I found the mistake. rutorrent`s config default path for php was "php" => '/usr/bin/php' but I installed php5-cli, therefor the path had to be changed manually to "php" => 'usr/bin/php5-cli' in the rutorrent config.php file |
| 11:55.46 | gnarface | esing: uh... you definitely shouldn't have had to do that but whatever works... |
| 11:55.50 | eni23 | p0g0: yup mabye an better antenna. 5ghz is not a solution because of the tablets/smartphones of the roommates dont think they support it |
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| 11:56.38 | p0g0 | eni23: you might find the cheezy but servicable stuff at freeantennas.com some help. |
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| 11:57.11 | gnarface | eni23: that stuff coveres 50sq feet per litre how big is this place really that you would need 20 lires? i find it hard to believe you'd need more than 6 unless you live in a giant abandoned warehouse down by the trainyards, in which case i doubt that wifi interference would actually be a problem |
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| 11:57.46 | boudiccas | how do i get sendmail to work now please, according to this http://dpaste.com/832038/ its failed, due to me turning off network-manager and using /netowrk/interfaces |
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| 12:00.41 | adaminsull | Hi |
| 12:00.48 | adaminsull | Whats the debian version of usermod? |
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| 12:01.20 | Trewas | boudiccas: it's extremely unlikely that sendmail would care about network-manager (or how the network has been configured in general), it comes from the stone age of unix after all |
| 12:01.44 | cantoma | guys, how can i check which linux-image (kernel) version is available in the backports. I am currently trying to locate linux-image-2.6.38 since I am following this forum => http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65638 |
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| 12:01.57 | boudiccas | Trewas, but what about the error messages that were shown in the paste please? |
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| 12:03.29 | Trewas | boudiccas: that comes from dhclient which wants to run something for sendmail, that file (/usr/share/sendmail/dynamic) is supposed to be in sendmail-base package |
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| 12:04.03 | Trewas | but if sendmail used to work I'd guess it still works, even if dhclient whines |
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| 12:04.28 | ChrisH | esing: generic tipp: dpkg -L php5-cli will show the installed files and give an idea where to search for config files |
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| 12:04.45 | eni23 | gnarface: 50sq/f is about 4.5m2 if im not wrong (why the hell describe the amount in metric liters and the other in crappy feet anyway?) so 1 liter would cover something like 2x2 meter. i would need to paint around the house, wich is something like 20X20m and 2.4m high. |
| 12:04.45 | boudiccas | Trewas, no, sendmail is not working, i've just tried to send an email to my gmail account and its not going |
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| 12:05.21 | Trewas | boudiccas: do you have sendmail-base installed? |
| 12:06.11 | boudiccas | let me check |
| 12:06.39 | ChrisH | boudiccas: do you need sendmail at all? Even after supporting sendmail for years and manually correcting sendmail.cf a while, I deciced to move to exim |
| 12:06.50 | esing | ChrisH Thanks, I`ll note that down |
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| 12:07.39 | gnarface | eni23: no dude, there are 15 feet in 50 meters. |
| 12:07.40 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i go with the default in wheezy, never tried anything else |
| 12:07.49 | boudiccas | Trewas, i do now :) |
| 12:07.52 | Trewas | well I haven't had any MTA installed in my computers as long as that has been possible with debian (using thunderbird or various webmails), so I may not be the best one to answer :) |
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| 12:07.59 | gnarface | eni23: sorry i mean 15 meters in 50 feet |
| 12:08.20 | gnarface | eni23: 15.24 meters to 50 feet, according to google calc |
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| 12:08.45 | gnarface | eni23: still expensive, i know, but it was also just an example. you can no doubt find cheaper brands |
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| 12:08.53 | ChrisH | boudiccas: sendmail as standard in Debian? cant believe that |
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| 12:10.29 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i'm not experinced enough to install exim, not that i've tried, i've just gone with the default in squeeze upgraded to wheezy |
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| 12:11.53 | gnarface | eni23: the nice thing about this solution is that not only does it not interfere with your own signals it increases security by also making your signals harder to sniff from outside |
| 12:12.00 | ChrisH | boudiccas: configireing exim is simple in your setup I assume. Send all mails to your ISP's mailhost. |
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| 12:12.52 | boudiccas | ChrisH, smtp.talktalk.net would that be it? |
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| 12:13.24 | eni23 | gnarface: hm google tells me: 50 (square feet) = 4.645152 square meters. as i understand this would block 2g/3g signals too? |
| 12:13.35 | boudiccas | currently i dont appear to have sendmail working so i need to sort something out |
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| 12:13.59 | ChrisH | boudiccas: yes. verify. egrep -e "^DS" sendmail.cf and expect a line: DSsmtp.talktalk.net |
| 12:14.54 | gnarface | eni23: as a general RF blocker i'd assume its probably not uniformly capable of all frequencies, but i'd also assume that its plenty good enough to dampen your cellphone reception and make your microwave radiation focus back inward on the kitchen like you surrounded it with parabolic dishes, yes. but you should read up on it, there might be uni-directional RF blocking materials out there |
| 12:15.36 | p0g0 | eni23: it's be a lot cheaper and about as effective re security to use directional antennas... |
| 12:15.56 | gnarface | i thought the issue here was with spectrum crowding though? |
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| 12:16.25 | gnarface | how well does a directional antenna work against spectrum crowding? i thought that was a trick that was more about boosting range in one direction at the cost of range in other directions (from the basepoint) |
| 12:16.46 | p0g0 | gnarface: yes, and when you cannot see most of the signals because the antenna only subtends a small steridian, those rf signals don't matter any more. |
| 12:16.50 | boudiccas | ChrisH, i do not have a sendmail.cf on my system at all anywhere, so i dont know what my mail programme is then, but at least sendmail is not complaining now when i sudo ifup eth0 |
| 12:16.50 | gnarface | i guess if your apartment is long and narrow though that would be effectively the same thing... |
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| 12:17.13 | eni23 | yup its more about the spectrum. think i will go with an stronger transmitter even if its not completley legal. i really like the paint solution but think its just too much work.. |
| 12:17.58 | p0g0 | eni23: if you are on a shared channel, if your AP cannot sync it's beacons and packet sends with the other APs, you'll just get collisions. |
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| 12:18.55 | boudiccas | ChrisH, but i di have a sendmail.conf and this too /etc/exim4/sa-exim.conf |
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| 12:19.05 | boudiccas | do |
| 12:19.23 | gnarface | eni23: so you're just gonna start an arms race? |
| 12:19.50 | p0g0 | eni23: if you put big directional "ears" (hi gain, small field of view) on the AP and, if possible, on the other wifi gear, you can get good results without being a bad neighbor. |
| 12:19.54 | ChrisH | eni23: I am not sure if I got all. but increasing the power on the AP side will not change anything as client does not increase the power. So use a cable or add a selective Antanna to your AP. |
| 12:20.25 | p0g0 | yep, shouting at the deaf in a loud crowd is not a solution. |
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| 12:21.21 | ChrisH | Is the goal to bridge two LANs using a WLAN Bridge? |
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| 12:22.53 | eni23 | i see. |
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| 12:28.37 | ChrisH | What is this process needed for? /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/plugin-container /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so -greomni /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/omni.ja 4029 plugin It eats up memory and CPU and is a child of iceweasel. |
| 12:29.18 | gnarface | ChrisH: probably youtube |
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| 12:29.43 | gnarface | ChrisH: that's your flash plugin |
| 12:30.19 | gnarface | ChrisH: yes, and it sucks |
| 12:30.35 | gnarface | sucks so very very hard |
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| 12:32.39 | ChrisH | 1841m virtual size since November 6th. iceweasel itself did only eat 600mb sind october 16th |
| 12:33.15 | Guest75430 | ChrisH: Flash sucks. |
| 12:34.18 | gnarface | ChrisH: it sucks in windows too but it actually measurably sucks more in Linux. it was obviously written as a punishment |
| 12:34.47 | gnarface | ChrisH: there are alternatives but they unfortunately suck more... |
| 12:35.11 | gnarface | its a bad idea to use such an engine to stream video anyway |
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| 12:36.48 | eni23 | ChrisH:gnarface: if its only about youtube just use youtube.com/html5 |
| 12:37.05 | gnarface | eni23: its useless |
| 12:37.12 | eni23 | gnarface: why? |
| 12:37.17 | gnarface | eni23: they crippled it |
| 12:37.36 | Amadiro | gnarface, works fine for me |
| 12:37.42 | ChrisH | I do rarely use youtube or flash, I even have a flashblocker in place |
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| 12:37.54 | gnarface | eni23: doesn't work in iceweasel, doesn't work in opera, doesn't work with any videos that have ads in them |
| 12:37.56 | Amadiro | video playback is notably accelerated whenever it uses the video tag |
| 12:38.22 | Amadiro | gnarface, on videos that have ads in them, it falls back to flash |
| 12:38.26 | gnarface | Amadiro: i'm guessing its actually failing over back to flash silently for you. right click on the playback window. |
| 12:38.29 | eni23 | gnarface: hm ok. im using chrome with disabled flash. works fine for me |
| 12:39.00 | Amadiro | gnarface, yes, as I said. However, at least here in europe/norway, almost no videos have ads on them, I've seen maybe a hand ful |
| 12:39.13 | gnarface | Amadiro: luck you. |
| 12:39.31 | gnarface | lucky* |
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| 12:58.10 | boudiccas | ChrisH, right, exim4 now being used as my MTA, thanks for all your help |
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| 12:59.45 | Unknown962 | Can somebody help me?i have a error if im plug in a usb device |
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| 13:00.01 | Unknown962 | i saw a patch in the internet but i dont know how im execute this |
| 13:00.09 | Unknown962 | https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/62073/ |
| 13:00.26 | Unknown962 | has someone a idea? |
| 13:00.35 | engla | that's a very old patch |
| 13:00.51 | Unknown962 | that means tat i dont work? |
| 13:00.53 | Unknown962 | that |
| 13:01.16 | engla | maybe. I'm just thinking that it's probably not relevant for current kernels |
| 13:01.23 | Unknown962 | mhhh |
| 13:01.29 | Unknown962 | but how can i fix that problem:/? |
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| 13:01.54 | ChrisH | Unknown962: start with showing us the error and lsub as paste |
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| 13:02.00 | Unknown962 | ok wait |
| 13:02.04 | engla | what's the error you have, and have you found a bug report for it? |
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| 13:02.08 | boudiccas | Unknown962, what problem? what is the error message? what version of debian is this on? |
| 13:02.22 | Unknown962 | em i dont know if that is a bug |
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| 13:03.55 | Unknown962 | so i pluged in the device |
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| 13:04.13 | Unknown962 | ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: Unable to read latency timer: -32 |
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| 13:04.31 | Unknown962 | the usb device worked with ubuntu |
| 13:04.38 | Unknown962 | and debian 5.0.1.0 |
| 13:04.48 | Unknown962 | but not with 6.0.0-6.0.5 |
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| 13:08.16 | Unknown962 | BUS 001 DEVICE 005: ID 0403:6001 FUTURE TECHNOLOGY DEVICE INTERNATIONAL 232 USB-Serial (UART) IC |
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| 13:10.16 | ChrisH | dpkg tell Unknown962 about paste |
| 13:10.41 | engla | Future Technology device? You need a kernel from the future |
| 13:12.09 | brandonj | has anybody been able to get steam working? |
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| 13:14.49 | Unknown962 | okay |
| 13:15.25 | Armand | engla: Maybe John Conner can help... |
| 13:15.27 | Unknown962 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:15.48 | moty66 | Can I install debian (min. packages) on 128MB drive ? |
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| 13:16.00 | abrotman | not likely |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | moty66: try emdebian |
| 13:16.36 | moty66 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:16.55 | Unknown962 | ? |
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| 13:17.17 | engla | the default kernel packages are huge, 128MB by themselves |
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| 13:17.38 | engla | Unknown962: is this a known bug? |
| 13:18.06 | Unknown962 | i dont know |
| 13:18.18 | Unknown962 | some thread are excist in the internet but |
| 13:18.33 | Unknown962 | no correct answer .. |
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| 13:19.14 | ChrisH | Unknown962: dmesg and lsub and copy-paste it to the URL dpkg mentioned. What kind of HW is it? a simple USB-serial converter? |
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| 13:22.58 | Unknown962 | 2.6.32-5 kernel - |
| 13:22.58 | Unknown962 | http://justpaste.it/1j5f |
| 13:23.21 | Unknown962 | http://justpaste.it/1j5g |
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| 13:26.17 | harovali1 | hi, i'm trying to redirect incoming traffic from ppp0 to 192.168.2.10 an ports 80 and 8080 by doing this http://bpaste.net/show/MYyEQVbyEqGGr58esqnd/ ; however, after running the script iptables -L -n gives this http://bpaste.net/show/PdPy0ocGjfwENbVwy5xC/ ; the 80 and 8080 rules seem missing, what I'm doing wrong ? |
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| 13:30.21 | abrotman | Unknown962: tried the boi kernel ? |
| 13:30.23 | abrotman | bpo |
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| 13:33.18 | Unknown962 | whats thats?^^ |
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| 13:34.35 | invariant | How can I set sensible-browser to an arbitrary path? |
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| 13:35.03 | abrotman | path or value? |
| 13:35.09 | abrotman | !tell Unknown962 about bpo |
| 13:35.30 | invariant | It would be ok to first introduce a new value which has an arbitrary path associated with it. |
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| 13:35.56 | invariant | Whatever is simplest. |
| 13:35.58 | abrotman | invariant: look at the postinst for a browser .. see how it sets it |
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| 13:37.38 | abrotman | invariant: oh, my mistake .. it's a script ..r ead the script, see what it loads.. it uses the alternatives system |
| 13:38.29 | Unknown962 | i test it wait |
| 13:38.33 | ChrisH | Unknown962: its a virtual machine? |
| 13:38.34 | petn-randall | harovali1: You only seeing the filter table. To see the nat table do iptables -L -vn -t nat |
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| 13:39.23 | petn-randall | harovali1: If you're more interested in the topic, I recommend http://www.lartc.org/howto/ |
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| 13:40.26 | Unknown962 | unable to read latency timer -32 -.- |
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| 13:40.43 | Unknown962 | i dont understand it..it works with ubuntu ...-.- |
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| 13:40.57 | harovali1 | petn-randall: thanks! |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | Unknown962: FYI, Debian and Ubuntu aren't hte same |
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| 13:42.03 | Unknown962 | ok |
| 13:42.25 | Unknown962 | mhh i dont know |
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| 13:42.39 | ChrisH | Unknown962: you could try a newer kernel, ask dpkg about backports |
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| 13:43.17 | Unknown962 | jeah i read it @dpkg ..i added backports in sources |
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| 13:43.25 | abrotman | Unknown962: what is uname -r now ? |
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| 13:43.49 | Unknown962 | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:44.13 | abrotman | that's not the BPO kernel .. |
| 13:44.20 | Unknown962 | mhh okay |
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| 13:54.45 | Unknown962 | i added backports.. |
| 13:54.49 | Unknown962 | how can i change the kernel ? |
| 13:55.37 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Unknown962 about bdo kernel |
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| 14:01.03 | Unknown962 | kernel dont work |
| 14:01.05 | Unknown962 | what a fuc |
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| 14:14.18 | HelenB_ | I can't get screen to work. When I try and start a screen session it complains that it can't find a PTY. |
| 14:14.21 | HelenB_ | How do I fix this? |
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| 14:18.50 | untrusted | HelenB_: devpts not mounted? |
| 14:19.26 | HelenB_ | Okies untrusted I fixed it anyway |
| 14:19.39 | HelenB_ | it was permissions errors on /dev/ptmx |
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| 14:28.15 | moty66 | what does */5 in crontab minutes? |
| 14:28.28 | demetan | I have this error 'Err http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main' several times ? How I can fix it ? |
| 14:28.33 | moty66 | mean 60/5 ? or run every 5 minutes ? |
| 14:28.51 | babilen | moty66: Every 5 |
| 14:28.55 | dvs | moty66: run every 5 mins |
| 14:29.13 | moty66 | thx :) |
| 14:29.31 | babilen | demetan: Please let us take a look at your sources.list and paste the *entire* output of "apt-get update" to http://paste.debian.net -- Thanks :) |
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| 14:30.01 | babilen | moty66: And you might want to think about what "60/5" would mean ... (I can't figure it out ;) |
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| 14:30.30 | moty66 | babilen: means run every 12 minutes :P |
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| 14:31.26 | demetan | babylen : it's here http://paste.debian.net/209834/ |
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| 14:32.18 | babilen | demetan: Please try typing: bab<TAB> |
| 14:32.19 | crouse | Can anyone tell me how to make a daemon in Debian, which startup at boot time. |
| 14:33.00 | ambro718 | Hi. Can someone explain how the debian (and ubuntu) packages are developed? In particular, where is the version control system behind the package repositories? |
| 14:33.06 | dvs | looks for "babtab" |
| 14:33.08 | demetan | ok babilen |
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| 14:33.32 | babilen | demetan: Looks fine -- May I see the error too? |
| 14:33.37 | engla | ambro718: depends on the maintainer. git is preferred. |
| 14:33.46 | babilen | !tell crouse -about init script |
| 14:33.49 | ambro718 | E.g. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages gives me a web interface to browse packages, but where is the VCS source for all of them? |
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| 14:34.10 | crouse | I am here. |
| 14:34.12 | ambro718 | engla: so how do I check out e.g. the source for the stable repository? |
| 14:34.20 | crouse | just waiting for the answer. |
| 14:34.22 | engla | ambro718: find the PTS page for the package |
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| 14:34.58 | engla | ambro718: here's a PTS page, see the VCS link http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/grub2.html |
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| 14:35.36 | babilen | ambro718: That depends on the package in question. The easiest way is to add a "deb-src" line to your sources.list (see "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" and "/msg dpkg deb-src") -- You can then use "apt-get sources PKG" to get hold of the source package. Another way and my preferred one is to install the devscripts package and use "debcheckout PKG" which will "checkout" the source of the package in question. |
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| 14:36.45 | demetan | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/209836/ I try also with apt-get upgrade --fix-missing |
| 14:36.53 | babilen | ambro718: In particular does it download the source package if that is all there is, but will checkout the repository (git, hg, bzr, ...) if that is used and declared in the package. General information about every package can also be found on the website that engla rightfully mentioned. |
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| 14:37.35 | babilen | demetan: I was asking about the output of "apt-get update" not "apt-get upgrade" ... Please run *both* commands in that order and show me the output. |
| 14:37.47 | demetan | ok |
| 14:37.57 | ambro718 | Ok, thanks for that link, I see a lot of packages on anonscm.devian.org. But I still don't understand how that is translated into repositories (as shown by http://packages.debian.org/). |
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| 14:38.17 | ambro718 | how does packages.debian.org know what packages are there? |
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| 14:39.05 | demetan | babilen: please see http://paste.debian.net/209837/ |
| 14:39.39 | dvs | demetan: still got it wrong |
| 14:39.42 | babilen | demetan: It also looks as if you have a wonky internet connection. Do you have to use some proxy or do you need to authenticate at some website? What does "wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mysql-5.1/mysql-common_5.1.63-0+squeeze1_all.deb" give you? |
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| 14:39.56 | engla | ambro718: packages are explicitly uploaded by developers, there is no automatic transfer |
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| 14:40.20 | babilen | demetan: Please run "apt-get update" and *then* "apt-get upgrade" -- Note the difference between "update" and "upgrade" and also paste the output of both commands :) |
| 14:40.32 | ambro718 | engla: uploaded where? I suppose into some kind of VCS? Where is *that* VCS which holds the reporitories? |
| 14:40.43 | moty66 | babilen: */120 it might be 30 seconds :) |
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| 14:42.31 | babilen | ambro718: There is *no* central repository in which *all* packages are found. A bunch are maintained on {git,hg,bzr,...}.debian.org but that is really up to the maintainer. The result of packaging is a *source* package that is then uploaded into the archive. (cf. http://ftp-master.debian.org/) |
| 14:42.55 | babilen | ambro718: What are you trying to do? Why do you ask this? Have you read the New Maintainer's Guide (/msg dpkg nmg) ? |
| 14:43.01 | eni23 | what is the easyest way to block some websites (via dns wold be enough) but allow a few ip's/mac to access them anyway? |
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| 14:43.48 | engla | ambro718: no vcs |
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| 14:44.10 | jimcooncat | eni23: probably opendns (though not a good solution for everyone) |
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| 14:46.13 | eni23 | jimcooncat: is opendns a service? im running own nameservers (bind9) |
| 14:47.30 | crouse | dpkg is a robot ? |
| 14:47.31 | dpkg | crouse: i haven't a clue |
| 14:47.34 | nrosvall | Anyone running Debian on a Lenovo Ideapad s205 ? |
| 14:47.36 | jimcooncat | eni23: yes. please google or wikipedia. You had asked for "easyest" which didn't sound like you were running bind. |
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| 14:47.41 | dvs | heh |
| 14:47.43 | nrosvall | I have problem to get the sound work |
| 14:47.49 | dvs | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:47.50 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 14:47.59 | babilen | nrosvall: I am sure that some people are. |
| 14:48.01 | babilen | !next |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:48.06 | nrosvall | I know it works on linux, but I just don't know how to configure it |
| 14:48.24 | boudiccas | !pal babilen |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | points at babilen and laughs hysterically |
| 14:48.31 | babilen | nrosvall: Which version of Debian do you use? What have you done so far to get it working? Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 14:48.36 | crouse | <infobot> |
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| 14:48.44 | babilen | crouse: "/msg dpkg infobot" |
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| 14:48.51 | crouse | ok |
| 14:48.53 | dvs | crouse: /msg dpkg infobot |
| 14:48.56 | nrosvall | babilen: I'm running stable with 3.2 kernel. I don't use pulseaudio |
| 14:49.10 | babilen | crouse: But I guess that "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" is better |
| 14:49.18 | nrosvall | I did try looking with aplay -L and setting up /etc/asound.conf but no luck |
| 14:49.21 | crouse | Thank you babilen. |
| 14:49.34 | nrosvall | I quess I just need to read some alsa documentation |
| 14:49.54 | babilen | nrosvall: Is that the 3.2 from backports? Could you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" to http://paste.debian.net and report on each item in "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" please? |
| 14:50.02 | nrosvall | sure |
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| 14:51.19 | babilen | nrosvall: The output of "aplay -L" and your /etc/asound.conf would also be of interest :) |
| 14:51.30 | ChrisH | How to I get Mr. Kernel's view on the installed amount of memory? I know what is physically installed (matches lshw -short output) but it differs from free -m on 64bit system |
| 14:51.35 | nrosvall | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/209839 |
| 14:51.35 | eni23 | jimcooncat: googled it and this is not really what im searching for. i allready have "poison" zones. but as far i know its not possible to configure bind that it resolves different for different client ips |
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| 14:52.02 | nrosvall | babilen: and yes im using 3.2 from backports. At the moment I don't have anything in asound.conf :D |
| 14:52.13 | babilen | nrosvall: You have two cards -- I guess that you want to use the second ... (i.e. HDA ATI SB) ? |
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| 14:52.25 | babilen | nrosvall: May I see the "aplay -L" output? |
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| 14:53.09 | babilen | nrosvall: I assume from now on that: 1. You are member of the audio group 2. *All* channels have been unmuted and raised in volume ... (rest of alsa checklist) |
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| 14:53.52 | nrosvall | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/209840 |
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| 14:54.22 | nrosvall | babilen: yes Im in audio group and I have unmuted the channels yes |
| 14:55.24 | babilen | nrosvall: Does "speaker-test -Ddefault -t wav" play sound? Are you aware that you *do* have two cards? |
| 14:55.52 | babilen | nrosvall: Also try "-Dfront" with the speaker-test command please |
| 14:56.04 | nrosvall | babilen: yes, I think, that the another card is in the graphics card or something |
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| 14:56.40 | babilen | nrosvall: Exactly -- It is the HDMI output. Unfortunately it is ALSA's default card right now (index 0) and this is most likely what you have to fix. |
| 14:57.04 | babilen | !tell nrosvall -about alsa default |
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| 14:57.33 | babilen | nrosvall: Do you hear something when you run the speaker test command? |
| 14:57.59 | babilen | nrosvall: Or was your answer to that question "yes, I think" ? |
| 14:57.59 | nrosvall | babilen: I got some errors "unable to open slave" |
| 14:58.05 | babilen | → http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:58.22 | babilen | nrosvall: Also try the other devices (front, ...) |
| 14:59.01 | nrosvall | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/209845 |
| 15:00.15 | jimcooncat | eni23: I really don't know much about this, but if that's the case, then you might want to run a separate nameserver for the class of IP clients you want to protect. |
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| 15:00.52 | nrosvall | babilen: similar errors with -Dfront |
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| 15:02.16 | dvs | babilen: oddly, I get the same audio error yet my system sounds works. |
| 15:02.19 | babilen | nrosvall: What about "aplay -Ddefault /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" ? |
| 15:03.02 | nrosvall | babilen, same error, unable to open slave |
| 15:03.06 | babilen | dvs: Those aren't errors -- The actual error there is "Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory" and I assume that nrosvall doesn't have the wav files installed that are necessary for "speaker-test -t wav" |
| 15:03.23 | babilen | !dmix |
| 15:03.24 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem allowing an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously, without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 15:03.48 | babilen | nrosvall: The message is about ^^^^ -- Most people these days use pulseaudio to manage that though |
| 15:04.19 | nrosvall | yeah I could try pulseaudio |
| 15:04.25 | babilen | nrosvall: May I see "ls /usr/share/sounds/alsa/" ? |
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| 15:05.28 | nrosvall | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/209848/ |
| 15:05.52 | babilen | nrosvall: Ok, that looks fine ... I wonder which file speaker test is complaining about then ... |
| 15:06.24 | excalibr | can someone explain me why the timestamp in DATE header (http req) is always in UTC? |
| 15:06.30 | nrosvall | hmm i'll try to look this myself, i'll come back if I cant get it working. :) |
| 15:06.57 | babilen | nrosvall: Unfortunately I have to leave now (quite unexpectedly) -- I would try the following: 1. Run "alsactl init" and see if that fixes it 2. Try it with pulseaudio (note that you need pavucontrol to adjust volume) |
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| 15:07.18 | nrosvall | babilen: ok thanks for you help! |
| 15:07.25 | babilen | nrosvall: "alsactl init" is not necessarily ideal (read about it, can't go into detail now) but I've seen it fixes things .. |
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| 15:07.57 | babilen | nrosvall: Another approach (I would probably do that first) is to trace speaker test to figure out which file it cannot open ... |
| 15:08.01 | babilen | nrosvall: (use strace) |
| 15:08.18 | babilen | nrosvall: i'll be back later™ -- Good luck in the meanwhile, others can probably help too |
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| 15:10.43 | diverdude | for some reason ntfs-3g is not installed :/ and apt-get install ntfs-3g says package cannot be located...how so i add the repo? |
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| 15:12.34 | cra1g321 | diverdude you shouldn't need to add a repo for ntfs-3g |
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| 15:13.39 | ChrisH | diverdude: check pt-cache policy ntfs-3g |
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| 15:13.49 | ChrisH | diverdude: check pt-cache policy ntfs-3g and run apt-get update before |
| 15:14.11 | ChrisH | diverdude: check apt-cache policy ntfs-3g and run apt-get update before (should be OK now) |
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| 15:14.14 | AFernandez | how do i kill a process without leaving orphans and if i left orphans how do i know which they are and how do i kill the? |
| 15:14.23 | AFernandez | m |
| 15:14.28 | nrosvall | ok I got my sound working! thanks everyone :) |
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| 15:16.01 | ChrisH | AFernandez: check ps -eflH and see the ps-tree for the process you want to kill. kill from bottom to top in one kill command |
| 15:16.09 | diverdude | ChrisH: apt-cache policy ntfs-3g gives: Unable to locate package ntfs-3g |
| 15:16.37 | AFernandez | thank you ChrisH |
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| 15:18.47 | ChrisH | diverdude: pastebin your sources.list onto http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:18.51 | jelly | diverdude: please do not ask in two channels at the same time |
| 15:18.54 | diverdude | im running Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
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| 15:19.06 | jelly | diverdude is running proxmox, actually |
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| 15:19.18 | diverdude | ChrisH: mmm i cannot paste because this is terminal only :/ |
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| 15:20.10 | ChrisH | dpkg tell diverdude about pastebinit |
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| 15:21.41 | diverdude | ChrisH: mmm but that requires me to install pastebininit first i think...and apt-get install pastebininit does not have it |
| 15:21.54 | boudiccas | dpkg tell diverdude about proxmox |
| 15:23.10 | diverdude | there is only a single line in /etc/apt/sources.list, and that is deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib |
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| 15:25.46 | petn-randall | diverdude: fix your sources.list, then run apt-get update |
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| 15:26.33 | petn-randall | diverdude: you're missing a line for the main repository |
| 15:26.52 | petn-randall | While it's nice to think about s.d.o, it alone won't get you really far :) |
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| 15:27.28 | diverdude | petn-randall: whats s.d.o ? |
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| 15:28.24 | ChrisH | s.d.o = security.debian.org ... but you are running proxmox not debian as we have been told. We cannot help you. |
| 15:28.40 | omani_ | is there any fast file browser which can do live searches? |
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| 15:28.51 | omani_ | like google search |
| 15:28.56 | omani_ | you know? |
| 15:28.58 | diverdude | ChrisH: well its a debian clone |
| 15:29.10 | dvs | !based on debian |
| 15:29.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:29.17 | omani_ | like: when I type "environment" the result shall be : "/etc/environment" |
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| 15:32.02 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys; I had a problem for one whole month, that could not work on my VPS using ssh it would get disconnected with a `killed` message. |
| 15:32.11 | Mohsen_Hassani | Referring here, you solved my problem, |
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| 15:32.44 | Mohsen_Hassani | I had a bug/malware named `f` or `f Oyun team` |
| 15:32.57 | Mohsen_Hassani | Opyum Team though... |
| 15:33.17 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have it now again. I had to re-install my Debian again for solving the problem |
| 15:33.33 | Mohsen_Hassani | and now after 3 weeks it's here again. |
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| 15:33.55 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: you should figure out how are you getting it? Are you installing any unoffical packages? Does your vps have a standard hole and you need to change your passwords |
| 15:33.57 | Mohsen_Hassani | I'm sure I didn't install anything; I didn't update or upgrade anything |
| 15:34.15 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: do you need to disable root login via SSH and give your user account tougher passwords (and maybe limit sudo privlages) |
| 15:34.26 | Mohsen_Hassani | I'm not having it on my VPS; It's on my only PC; I even don't have it on my Laptop. |
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| 15:34.56 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: Well it is something you are doing to get it. When you reinstalled did you keep your old $HOME dir? |
| 15:35.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | I always do the same things on my Laptop and PC; I always get connected to my VPS from my Laptop and PC. But it's my PC that is getting this malware. |
| 15:35.42 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, Yes I always keep my $HOME because I have a lot data on it. |
| 15:35.55 | somiaj | it could be that the malware is hiding in there somewhere and thus that is what reinfected you |
| 15:36.03 | somiaj | (via a .bashrc or some other commonly run file there) |
| 15:36.11 | Mohsen_Hassani | oh my god! |
| 15:36.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | I never thought it could be somewhere in $HOME. |
| 15:36.22 | somiaj | again you cannot trust any file form an infected computer |
| 15:36.32 | somiaj | because they can hide stuff anywhere |
| 15:36.56 | Mohsen_Hassani | Doesn't Debian/Linux have antivirus to kill this bitch? |
| 15:37.38 | somiaj | there are ways to scan things, but it is never 100% -- You could do some research on the malware, maybe someone else figured out where it hid. |
| 15:37.39 | cra1g321 | u dont update or upgrade ? no wonder your getting malware |
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| 15:37.54 | somiaj | Mohsen_Hassani: are you running squeeze (or wheezy) |
| 15:37.59 | somiaj | yes make sure you have all security updates |
| 15:38.02 | Mohsen_Hassani | somiaj, wheezy |
| 15:38.27 | somiaj | so you are also running an insecure testing system. Though my guess it is less to do with security and more to do with some computing habbit |
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| 15:38.52 | somiaj | (either that or your pc is on the net with an open ssh port (or ftp or something) and someone is easily able to hack you |
| 15:38.55 | Mohsen_Hassani | hmmm... as you say, I'm getting it because I don't update security maybe; |
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| 15:39.03 | somiaj | check your logs (see if you have lots of failed login attemps via ssh) |
| 15:39.29 | somiaj | wheezy doesn't have full security support yet. My guess is more habbit (I have run sid for years and never had an issue) |
| 15:39.45 | Nik05 | sid is cool :) |
| 15:39.53 | Nik05 | im running sid too :) |
| 15:39.57 | Nik05 | had a problem onces |
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| 15:39.59 | somiaj | but it really depends on what you install/do on your machine. So yea forensitcs as to seeing what is hurting you is difficult. |
| 15:40.01 | Nik05 | once* |
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| 15:40.24 | somiaj | Nik05: I have problems every time i upgrade (mostly cause I wait a few months after I get things working). But they are usually fixable with a bit of knowledge and the bTS |
| 15:40.38 | somiaj | speaking of which I should probabaly upgrade this sid laptop |
| 15:40.41 | Nik05 | oh this is #debian :p |
| 15:40.42 | hack | is freebsd debain stable to be used ? |
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| 15:41.15 | hack | i.e.debian GNU/kfreebsd |
| 15:41.17 | somiaj | hack: you mean kfreebsd, I think it is mostly complete. But I woudln't expect it to be as complete as the linux ports |
| 15:41.31 | hack | yes somiaj :) |
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| 15:42.10 | somiaj | hack: but yes, it was relased as an offical port I thought. |
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| 15:42.23 | somiaj | http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/TODO -- there is a todo list I found on the wiki |
| 15:42.33 | hack | i have heared that still it has lot's of bugs and is not very smooth for daily use |
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| 15:43.32 | somiaj | well there is an offical 6.0.6 (so squeeze) installer. Seems it is released, but yes I think it isn't as complete as the linux varity |
| 15:43.52 | ChrisH | ,v apache2 |
| 15:43.53 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; sid: 2.2.22-12; wheezy: 2.2.22-12; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
| 15:44.19 | somiaj | hack: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD -- probabaly a good source of info |
| 15:44.36 | somiaj | ChrisH: /msg judd (: |
| 15:45.05 | hack | somiaj: ya really it is :) |
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| 15:45.56 | ChrisH | somiaj: not the worst idea I heard today :) |
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| 15:46.23 | somiaj | ChrisH: sounds like a challange. |
| 15:47.34 | ChrisH | Today its easy. I assume no chance to beat our customer's idea yesterday. |
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| 16:07.30 | dvs | !qotd23 |
| 16:07.30 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
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| 16:12.08 | jimcooncat | There's a bot on here that can tell me, what would it take to backport the rsnapshot package? |
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| 16:13.32 | dvs | jimcooncat: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:13.44 | jimcooncat | thks dvs |
| 16:13.48 | dvs | np |
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| 16:14.54 | babilen | ,checkbackport rsnapshot |
| 16:14.55 | judd | Backporting package rsnapshot in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 16:15.15 | jimcooncat | babilen: yes, that's what I was looking for. Thanks! |
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| 16:15.47 | babilen | jimcooncat: The bot in question is judd and you can read about its functionality on http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 16:16.05 | jimcooncat | cool, i love them bots |
| 16:16.20 | dvs | ...until iRobo! |
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| 16:16.25 | dvs | iRobot! |
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| 16:19.32 | Guest64843 | I am using Debian Wheezy. I need to identify the .loc file referred to in XML file. It must be in either a validator tag or options tag. How do I find a validator tag or options tag? |
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| 16:28.11 | _basic6__ | i've been running virtual machines (vmware workstation) on a debian host for months without a problem. one week ago, i started getting i/o errors on the virtual hdds of some vms. how should i go about debugging this? |
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| 16:30.33 | eni23 | _basic6__: best ask vmware-support. you payed for it |
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| 16:33.05 | mariusko | Hi |
| 16:33.19 | mariusko | What to do about line wrapping when sending to bts |
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| 16:37.34 | Some_Person | What's the best way to run a speed test without a GUI? |
| 16:37.44 | Some_Person | (as in internet speed) |
| 16:38.07 | petn-randall | Some_Person: wget ? |
| 16:38.08 | mariusko | FTP transfer? |
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| 16:38.49 | Some_Person | that implies I have somewhere fast to which I can upload a file (I'm more interested in upload than download speed) |
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| 16:50.51 | silasdavis | I'm trying to overwrite all config files, something like: dpkg-query -W -f='${Package}\n' '*' | dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 16:51.04 | silasdavis | but dpkg -i needs the .deb |
| 16:51.52 | silasdavis | I'm on linux mint debian edition, so I have apt, can anyone suggest where I can find the *.deb files so I can filter them through installed packages |
| 16:52.06 | simonlnu | try their repos? |
| 16:52.07 | silasdavis | /var/cache/apt/archives doesn't seem to have all of the packages I have installed |
| 16:52.21 | simonlnu | no, of course not. |
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| 16:52.26 | silasdavis | simonlnu: I need to automate it since it is hundred of packages |
| 16:52.28 | simonlnu | !lmde |
| 16:52.28 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 16:53.12 | silasdavis | simonlnu: actually lmde is completely debian testing compatible so I would argue it is debian |
| 16:53.26 | mtn | thinks good luck with that |
| 16:53.26 | simonlnu | freebie: have a proxy caching the .debs or a local mirror of lmde |
| 16:53.39 | dvs | silasdavis: still not supported here |
| 16:54.04 | silasdavis | this is also at the pure debian level... |
| 16:54.27 | simonlnu | silasdavis: channel policy. good luck, and have a good day. try my suggestions. |
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| 17:03.37 | yigal | queso: I don't understand dude why not http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 17:07.36 | queso | yigal: sorry, how can I see the list of bugs that need to be taken care of? |
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| 17:18.48 | demetan | est-il possible de faire que /var/www et /home/user/www soit des repertoires web pour apache? |
| 17:19.19 | ksk | is it possible to speak english in here please? |
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| 17:19.31 | ksk | !tell demetan about debian-fr |
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| 17:20.06 | demetan | sure monsieur |
| 17:20.51 | demetan | is it possible to make active the two folders /var/www and /home/user/www for apache ? |
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| 17:43.14 | walex | demetan: your question is not that meaningful as "active" and "folder" are not well defined concepts here. |
| 17:43.40 | walex | demetan: Apache maps URLs to files inside directories. it can do so in many many ways. |
| 17:44.22 | walex | demetan: what you need to decide is what mapping you want first. |
| 17:45.19 | demetan | I want to map the 2 directories : /home/www for example and /var/www |
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| 17:45.29 | walex | demetan: what you can map is: protocol scheme, host name or address, port, local part |
| 17:45.40 | walex | demetan: to which URLs? |
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| 17:46.04 | walex | demetan: do you want some examples? |
| 17:46.14 | demetan | yes please |
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| 17:46.51 | walex | http://localhost:8000/ => '/var/www/', http://localhost:8001/ => '/home/users/www/' |
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| 17:47.26 | walex | http://localhost/ => '/var/www/', http://localhost/~user/ => '/home/user/www/' |
| 17:48.07 | walex | http://www.site.fr/ => '/var/www/', http://localhost/ => '/home/user/www/' |
| 17:48.17 | demetan | http://localhost:8000/ => '/var/www/', http://localhost:8000/ => '/home/users/www/' |
| 17:48.19 | walex | the second one above is the default |
| 17:48.34 | demetan | how I can do that ? |
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| 17:48.53 | walex | demetan: you cannot have ':8000' on both, was that a typo? |
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| 17:49.26 | demetan | ok then 8000 on the first and 8001 for the second |
| 17:49.59 | walex | you need to put a line like 'Listen 8000,8001' first |
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| 17:50.52 | babilen | demetan: I'd just like to note that the "http://localhost/ => '/var/www/', http://localhost/~user/ => '/home/user/www/" is much more commonly used ... well " http://localhost/~user/ => '/home/user/public_html/'" that is -- Could you describe in your own words what you are trying to achieve please? |
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| 17:52.41 | demetan | thank's babilene. what i want to do it's a twin directory of /var/www mapped by apache |
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| 17:53.05 | walex | demetan: http://paste.debian.net/209917/ |
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| 17:53.34 | babilen | is not sure if demetan really wants that, but fair enough :) |
| 17:53.51 | walex | demetan: this is described extensively in the apache.org documentation. You seem not to be clear about what you want, so perhaps you need to read more. |
| 17:54.14 | walex | demetan: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/examples.html |
| 17:54.46 | babilen | demetan: Also: What is your native language? There are plenty of IRC channels in other languages than English and you might prefer that. |
| 17:55.08 | demetan | thank's walex powerful docs |
| 17:55.30 | demetan | babilen: sumerian |
| 17:55.42 | demetan | ;-) |
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| 17:56.13 | demetan | I speak imperfectly english but I can read understand and sometimes be understood |
| 17:56.58 | babilen | demetan: I am not criticizing your English, but have the impression that it would be easier for you to discuss this in a different language. But fair enough, you don't have to tell me. |
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| 17:59.08 | babilen | demetan: I would also recommend to read the README.Debian files that come with Apache as they explain how Apache configuration is handled on Debian. You can find them in /usr/share/doc/apache*/REAME.Debian* -- I would also recommend to take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html and read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html |
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| 17:59.31 | ksk | hes a french guys i guess ;) |
| 17:59.38 | ksk | s/guys/guy |
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| 18:00.13 | babilen | There is a large french Debian community, but demetan can keep on chatting here if (s)he prefers that. |
| 18:00.19 | ksk | btw, do you native speaker really dislike leaving the apostroph in words like "he's"?^^ |
| 18:00.21 | babilen | (/msg dpkg fr) |
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| 18:00.49 | babilen | ksk: I do (but I am not a native speaker and you should discuss this in ##english or #debian-offtopic) :) |
| 18:01.02 | simonlnu | apostrophesmite ksk :P |
| 18:01.04 | demetan | babilene: I find more ressources in english, croyez moi mon ami |
| 18:01.14 | babilen | !fr |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 18:02.37 | babilen | demetan: #debian-fr is on irc.oftc.net though (aka irc.debian.org) -- You can do "/server irc.oftc.net" followed by "/join #debian-fr" to join that channel. You are, however, also welcome to stay here. Just wanted to point out the possibility to discuss this problem in French. |
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| 18:14.37 | Accelerator | On Debian's Apache install, it disabled the Apache directive that disables access to the entire file system except for directories explicitly allowed. This seems like a good thing to do, but it's disabled as it breaks some web application Debian packages. What are these packages? I'm guessing it would just break phpmyadmin and such /if/ you installed it through the repo's. On a vanilla install, is it safe to enable? |
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| 18:19.43 | chomwitt | how do i subscrube/unsubscribe to the bugs of a pseudo-package? |
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| 18:20.15 | jelly-home | Accelerator: it's basically your call, if you pick your apps and make them work fully inside DocumentRoots, go ahead and use it |
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| 18:22.11 | Accelerator | jelly-home, I do, thanks. |
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| 18:24.10 | danm_408 | With the DFSG, why is java allowed into the repositories? |
| 18:24.19 | danm_408 | I ask that seriously, not as a joke |
| 18:24.46 | jelly-home | danm_408: why wouldn't it be? |
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| 18:25.15 | danm_408 | it fails DFSG tests by my understanding of DFSG |
| 18:25.19 | gnarface | danm_408: 1) non-DFSG stuff *can* go in non-free, but the installer can't depend on anything in non-free. note also there *IS* a DFSG java implementation its just not sun/oracle's. |
| 18:25.25 | fredl | hey folks. I'm monitoring my servers with Cacti and I'm curious about 'CPU Usage' |
| 18:25.25 | jelly-home | danm_408: have you read the DFSG and which parts do you consider java implementations or apps written in java to not comply with? |
| 18:25.55 | fredl | isn't it so that on a 4 core system the CPU Usage could go as high as 400% if all cores are being used properly? |
| 18:26.06 | danm_408 | gnarface: how is it not related to sun/oracle? |
| 18:26.10 | jelly-home | danm_408: also, are you talking about java implementations or about stuff written in java |
| 18:26.37 | danm_408 | the jre |
| 18:26.41 | danm_408 | essentially |
| 18:26.44 | gnarface | danm_408: because its not made by them, its made by other people, not oracle employees |
| 18:26.44 | jelly-home | danm_408: which one? |
| 18:27.18 | danm_408 | gnarface: I don't understand, how is java not made by sun/oracle? |
| 18:27.20 | danm_408 | although |
| 18:27.25 | jelly-home | ,provides java-virtual-machine |
| 18:27.26 | judd | No package named 'java-virtual-machine' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 18:27.30 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides java-virtual-machine |
| 18:27.37 | judd | Package java-virtual-machine in squeeze/i386 is provided by: gcj-jre-headless, sun-java6-jre. |
| 18:27.50 | gnarface | danm_408: http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ |
| 18:27.57 | danm_408 | I guess my saying that oracle/sun make java would be like saying torvalds makes the linux kernel by himself |
| 18:28.21 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides java-virtual-machine --release wheezy |
| 18:28.29 | judd | Package java-virtual-machine in wheezy/i386 is provided by: gcj-jre-headless. |
| 18:28.35 | jelly-home | huh |
| 18:28.50 | danm_408 | I mean, with people contributing to code from all over the place |
| 18:29.00 | gnarface | danm_408: linux itself is a perfect example; it is a clone of unix, like gcj is a clone of java |
| 18:29.01 | danm_408 | to blame a singular entity |
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| 18:30.03 | _FBi | <noob: is there a list of sources I should add/update? |
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| 18:30.21 | gnarface | dpkg: tell _FBi about sources.list |
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| 18:30.50 | danm_408 | jelly-home: would you not argue that oracle's licensing on java goes against #9? |
| 18:30.51 | danm_408 | License Must Not Contaminate Other Software |
| 18:30.51 | danm_408 | The license must not place restrictions on other software that is distributed along with the licensed software. For example, the license must not insist that all other programs distributed on the same medium must be free software. |
| 18:31.17 | danm_408 | in the licensing that it forces you to accept on anything created with the java language |
| 18:31.18 | jelly-home | danm_408: licensing on openjdk? |
| 18:31.33 | danm_408 | maybe not the openjdk |
| 18:31.39 | danm_408 | but the sun jre |
| 18:31.53 | _FBi | thanks gnarface, but is there a list of sources I can use/add? |
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| 18:31.59 | jhave | Hello |
| 18:32.14 | jelly-home | danm_408: sun-java6-jre in squeeze has been present before the latest change of redistribution policies by Oracle. It's old. |
| 18:32.31 | jhave | I use my raspberry pi whit raspian(debian fork) as development platform whit a LAMP bundle but MySQL and Apache is slow, my first thought it is the SD card there is the problem. Can i get a bether performance if i move raspian from the SD card to a USB key ?? |
| 18:32.33 | jelly-home | danm_408: in addition, it's not in Debian main |
| 18:32.34 | gnarface | danm_408: you're still confused. debian has main, contrib, and non-free branches. the restrictions that licenses must be DFSG-compatible, to my knowledge only applies as a qualification for packages to get into main. there are all kinds of stuff under completely proprietary licenses in non-free: |
| 18:32.36 | danm_408 | jelly-home: is that to say it woud be missing in wheezy? |
| 18:32.44 | jelly-home | danm_408: correct |
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| 18:32.58 | jelly-home | judd: whatprovides java-runtime-headless --release wheezy |
| 18:33.01 | gnarface | _FBi: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 18:33.06 | danm_408 | jelly-home: interesting |
| 18:33.07 | judd | Package java-runtime-headless in wheezy/i386 is provided by: gcj-jre-headless, gcj-4.6-jre-headless, gcj-4.7-jre-headless, openjdk-6-jre-headless, openjdk-7-jre-headless, default-jre-headless. |
| 18:33.17 | jelly-home | danm_408: see above -- gcj and openjdk. |
| 18:33.34 | gnarface | dpkg: tell jhave about raspian |
| 18:33.45 | jelly-home | gnarface: raspBian |
| 18:33.56 | gnarface | jelly-home: doesn't matter, it worked |
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| 18:34.02 | _FBi | gnarface, I gues sI'm looking for something like deb linuxmint |
| 18:34.03 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 18:34.23 | danm_408 | gnarface: if I have main contrib and nonfree in my sources.list, how would I know with apt which repository a package is held in? |
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| 18:34.34 | jelly-home | danm_408: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 18:34.45 | danm_408 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 18:35.11 | gnarface | danm_408: what he said |
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| 18:35.48 | danm_408 | now to start a religious war....postgresql vs mysql....go |
| 18:36.08 | jelly-home | danm_408: if you want to get oracle's jre or jdk in nice package format, download the relevant .bin or .tar.gz from Oracle directly and use "make-jpkg" tool from java-package |
| 18:36.13 | gnarface | _FBi: i do not understand what it is you are looking for |
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| 18:37.00 | _FBi | linuxmint has firefox in it's repositories, I'd like to add them as a deb source |
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| 18:37.24 | ikla | how do you calculate throughput in a raid10? 1 drive speed x number of mirrors? |
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| 18:37.50 | gnarface | _FBi: don't do that. also, use iceweasel |
| 18:37.57 | jelly-home | ikla: in theory, for a single IO stream, yes |
| 18:38.16 | gnarface | ikla: people use bonnie++ or hdparm for harddrive benchmarking it hink |
| 18:38.18 | gnarface | *think |
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| 18:38.27 | danm_408 | jelly-home: gnarface thanks for the clarification |
| 18:38.31 | ikla | so if I'm gettin 100MB/s out of 1 drive and I have 6 mirrors I can get 600 mb/S? |
| 18:38.34 | _FBi | gnarface, does iceweasel support firefox pluggins? |
| 18:38.46 | Shoya | it should, since it's essentially FF |
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| 18:39.01 | jelly-home | ikla: again, in theory, yes, such a 12-disk raid10 might be able to give out that number |
| 18:39.03 | gnarface | _FBi: yes its the same browser just with a different name |
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| 18:39.12 | _FBi | doh! |
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| 18:39.31 | Shoya | just noticed the similarities? |
| 18:39.42 | jelly-home | the icon has different color |
| 18:39.51 | gnarface | _FBi: firefox is open source, but the *brand* and logo "Firefox" are not. iceweasel is basically just firefox with some slightly more secure defaults. |
| 18:39.51 | Shoya | and diff animal |
| 18:40.11 | Shoya | though i wanted it to be a Ferret |
| 18:40.24 | gnarface | i wanted beaver |
| 18:40.35 | _FBi | I <3 Beaver |
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| 18:41.46 | _FBi | adblock plus doesn't work for Iceweasel :/ |
| 18:42.24 | gnarface | _FBi: i'm sure there is an alternative |
| 18:42.45 | Shoya | for everything...there's an alternative, often open-source |
| 18:42.57 | _FBi | sure, but with element hider for adblock plus is great |
| 18:43.03 | Shoya | or more like it's open-source on linux, as always |
| 18:43.33 | gnarface | _FBi: how sure are you it doesn't work? |
| 18:43.49 | gnarface | _FBi: don't install stuff from upstream sources unless you can't get a debian package |
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| 18:44.07 | gnarface | ,v xul-ext-adblock-plus |
| 18:44.08 | judd | Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.1-1; wheezy: 2.1-1; sid: 2.1.2-1 |
| 18:44.17 | gnarface | ,v xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper |
| 18:44.18 | judd | Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper on i386 -- sid: 1.2.2-1; wheezy: 1.2.2-1 |
| 18:44.34 | Shoya | he has to downgrade to wheezy |
| 18:44.34 | _FBi | you are much better at this 'debian' thing than I am :) |
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| 18:44.43 | Shoya | unless he came backport it? |
| 18:44.58 | Shoya | it can be backported* |
| 18:44.58 | gnarface | _FBi: doesn't this work: xul-ext-adblock-plus? |
| 18:45.18 | _FBi | I'll check it out |
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| 18:47.05 | _FBi | gnarface, success |
| 18:47.11 | gnarface | _FBi: hooraaay! |
| 18:47.19 | _FBi | glorious day |
| 18:47.27 | _FBi | next will be to add sound haha |
| 18:47.32 | gnarface | _FBi: apt-cache search [pattern] |
| 18:47.40 | ntwrk_keith_ | Hello, looking some help on setting up ntpd to serve time to switches. Anyone available? I've tried both the broadcast <broadcast address of subnet> and restrict <subnet> <mask> commands and neither seem to work |
| 18:47.46 | gnarface | dpkg: tell _FBi about alsa checklist |
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| 18:48.47 | _FBi | gnarface, I have a bigger problem. it's an HP |
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| 18:48.51 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: i think you're in the wrong place you need to give your switches management console the hostname/ip address of the ntp server, don't you? |
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| 18:49.28 | gnarface | _FBi: ah well you need to identify your hardware first. try lspci |
| 18:49.49 | ntwrk_keith_ | The switch configuration is not the issue |
| 18:50.00 | _FBi | well if you have the time, sure. I was going to try and break it myself than come back here and bitch |
| 18:50.03 | ntwrk_keith_ | It's the linux laptop I am configuring ntpd on that I am having issues with |
| 18:50.28 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: well put your ntpd.conf in paste.debian.net |
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| 18:51.50 | _FBi | gnarface, I have all my sound cards installed, and I can find them in alsamixer. but I think it's a PCM error |
| 18:52.11 | ntwrk_keith_ | Well there's 2 problems... 1) the laptop doesnt have network connectivity and 2) the ip addresses cant be given out because the local lan is public IP |
| 18:52.18 | _FBi | 00:01.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 1714 |
| 18:52.29 | gnarface | no idea on that one |
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| 18:53.46 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: you uh... are gonna need network connectivity |
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| 18:53.59 | ntwrk_keith_ | gnarface: I dont have internet connectivity I meant |
| 18:54.13 | ntwrk_keith_ | gnarface: But the laptop has connectivity to the switches |
| 18:54.27 | ntwrk_keith_ | gnarface: I want to serve the localtime of the laptop to the switches |
| 18:54.53 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: but its only ip is a public ip? |
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| 18:56.03 | ntwrk_keith_ | gnarface: We use public IPs inside of our LAN. What I am doing now is in a lab environment but I used the public IPs that we would normally use |
| 18:56.52 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: wack |
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| 18:57.30 | ntwrk_keith_ | ? |
| 18:57.45 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack |
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| 18:57.53 | ntwrk_keith_ | I know what it means |
| 18:57.58 | ntwrk_keith_ | But why are you saying it |
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| 18:58.55 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: because you have made a mess |
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| 18:59.10 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: start at the beginning and tell us exactly what you're trying to do please |
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| 18:59.42 | ntwrk_keith_ | wow |
| 18:59.43 | ntwrk_keith_ | Ok |
| 19:00.02 | ntwrk_keith_ | I am trying to simulate NTP between a local server on our network and our switches. |
| 19:00.16 | ntwrk_keith_ | I've configured the switches and laptop on the network and they can all reach other |
| 19:00.23 | gnarface | but they have no public connection |
| 19:00.26 | gnarface | do they have a gateway? |
| 19:00.36 | ntwrk_keith_ | Now I'm trying to set up ntpd to serve the laptop's localtime to the switches |
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| 19:00.48 | ntwrk_keith_ | Yes, they are in a LAB environment so they dont need to be on the internet |
| 19:01.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | the laptop has a default gateway. The other switches know about the network through routes |
| 19:01.08 | gnarface | and you're sure traffic is routing properly |
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| 19:01.25 | gnarface | nothing is getting lost trying to route outside |
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| 19:01.47 | ntwrk_keith_ | Yes, I can ping the laptop from the switch |
| 19:01.55 | ntwrk_keith_ | the ntp server command on the switch is pointed to the laptop |
| 19:02.03 | ntwrk_keith_ | the laptops DG is one of the switches |
| 19:02.09 | ntwrk_keith_ | the networking aspect is fine |
| 19:02.24 | gnarface | and you want the laptop to get time from the switch ? |
| 19:02.25 | ntwrk_keith_ | its the config of the ntpd that I'm worried about because I am very new to linux |
| 19:02.30 | ntwrk_keith_ | sigh |
| 19:02.41 | gnarface | you want the switch to get time from the laptop? |
| 19:02.45 | ntwrk_keith_ | I want the laptop to serve its local time to the switches |
| 19:02.51 | gnarface | right |
| 19:02.58 | gnarface | but you won't show me the config |
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| 19:03.48 | ntwrk_keith_ | I can show you the commands but not the IPs because I used public IP space in our lab to match the environment |
| 19:04.30 | gnarface | ok make a copy of the config, change every digit of every ip you want to hide to an X, then paste THAT into paste.debian.net |
| 19:04.39 | gnarface | make no other changes |
| 19:04.47 | ntwrk_keith_ | I left everything pretty much default. except I changed the restrict command to match the subnets being used. And also added the broadcast command with the broadcast address of the subnets |
| 19:04.58 | ntwrk_keith_ | The laptop is not on the internet. |
| 19:05.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | So it would be me retyping |
| 19:05.54 | gnarface | sneaker net? |
| 19:06.14 | ntwrk_keith_ | cant. the laptop is non-domain and we have rules against media between domain/non-domain |
| 19:06.20 | gnarface | don't use broadcast too |
| 19:06.32 | gnarface | comment that out |
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| 19:06.37 | gnarface | don't try to configure it to do more than one type of serving at a time or it tends to just die |
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| 19:06.49 | ntwrk_keith_ | Ok, I thought that was supposed to be used |
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| 19:10.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | Ok they are commented out |
| 19:10.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | just the restrict commands now |
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| 19:10.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | still nothing |
| 19:10.07 | ntwrk_keith_ | ntpq -pn shows the "127.127.1.0" and ".LOCL." but nothing else |
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| 19:14.10 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: what about your servers? where does the laptop get time? |
| 19:14.50 | ntwrk_keith_ | it doesnt, thats why i want to serve the local time |
| 19:14.53 | talexb | I've created a KVM that's a sparse file and put it into a tarball. Unfortunately, when I extract the file from the tarball, it comes out to the full size, rather than remaining as a sparse file. Does anyone have suggestions on how to avoid this? |
| 19:16.25 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: all i can say then is look at the logs. of course the mysterious part of your config file you won't show me is somewhat suspect... |
| 19:17.12 | engla | talexb: does tar have a switch to affect this? |
| 19:17.27 | ntwrk_keith_ | why is it suspect |
| 19:17.34 | ntwrk_keith_ | Still not understanding your tone |
| 19:17.39 | ntwrk_keith_ | I cant give you the public IPs |
| 19:17.42 | ntwrk_keith_ | plain and simple |
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| 19:18.04 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith_: i'm not asking for them, and i'm also not having the problems with ntpd that you are. what version of debian did you say you were running again? |
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| 19:18.15 | talexb | engla, There is the -S switch .. I'm not sure if this works with compression or expansion .. |
| 19:18.26 | talexb | engla, .. but I better TiAS .. |
| 19:19.06 | ntwrk_keith_ | debian 6 and i'm using a live cd |
| 19:20.33 | engla | taruti: otherwise you could get tar output on stdout and filter through a program that writes the file sparse |
| 19:20.47 | taruti | ? |
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| 19:21.57 | engla | I don't know if this program exists, but it should |
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| 19:22.25 | gnarface | engla: i think tar files are sparse by default... |
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| 19:22.36 | gnarface | could be wrong |
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| 19:24.10 | engla | heh, `cp` can take input on stdin and write a sparse file out |
| 19:24.11 | talexb | engla, Nope -- using xzvSf as tar arguments, I'm getting a full-sized file out. That's not what I want. |
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| 19:24.57 | engla | talexb: tar extract to stdout, pipe through | cp --sparse=always /dev/stdin ./outputfile |
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| 19:25.26 | talexb | Oooh .. that's brilliant. |
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| 19:25.32 | engla | of course you'll need to extract only one file from the tar archive.. |
| 19:25.40 | talexb | :) Yep, I got that. |
| 19:26.20 | talexb | OK -- I have four cores on this baby. Might as well give them something to chew on. :) |
| 19:26.45 | engla | hope it works |
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| 19:34.56 | talexb | engla++ :) It's working!!! |
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| 19:35.58 | talexb | It never occurred to me to use /dev/stdin for the cp command, but it works beautifully. Linux really is an amazing operating system. |
| 19:36.23 | talexb | And IRC is am amazing resource. :) |
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| 19:36.42 | gnarface | hmm. that is a neat trick... |
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| 19:38.34 | talexb | it's the coolest thing since someone showed me diff <( command1 ) <( command2 ) to find the difference between *two command streams*. |
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| 19:38.55 | talexb | Totally awesome. But then I'm a nerd. :) |
| 19:39.05 | engla | you can probably use <(..) in this case too |
| 19:39.34 | engla | it's the same idea |
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| 19:40.56 | talexb | These topics are like fractals -- the more I dig, the more I find fascinating, useful nuggets. |
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| 19:41.35 | abrotman | talexb: you can do that with comm also |
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| 19:44.56 | JordiGH | Does Debian have a cross compiler into Mac OS X? |
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| 19:46.04 | AimHere | Jordan_U, apt-cache search OSX doesn't show anything that would match that |
| 19:46.11 | ompaul | gcc |
| 19:46.20 | ompaul | does that target that platform? |
| 19:46.24 | AimHere | Probably gcc could do the compiling, but there'd be no API or whatever |
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| 19:46.43 | JordiGH | ompaul: But I'd have bootstrap gcc myself to cross compile into Mac OS X, right? Nothing like the mingw23-gcc package? |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: you might do better to ask #macosx |
| 19:47.09 | ompaul | JordiGH: I have to tell you I wouldn't use a mac |
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| 19:47.14 | ompaul | or own anything from them |
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| 19:47.22 | ompaul | doesn't :) |
| 19:47.26 | abrotman | irrelevant argument |
| 19:47.29 | polyurethane | Hello. I need to rebuild apache package, how would I go on about that? |
| 19:47.30 | ompaul | point |
| 19:47.34 | engla | there is probably something on linux that can produce mach-o binaries |
| 19:47.36 | ompaul | goes back to sleep |
| 19:47.46 | JordiGH | ompaul: I don't either, but my stupid users do. |
| 19:47.54 | abrotman | !tell polyurethane about package rebuild |
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| 19:50.58 | polyurethane | How can I see if I have wheezy or something else? |
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| 19:52.06 | gnarface | polyurethane: lsb_release -a |
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| 19:52.27 | polyurethane | Okay I have 6.0.6 Squeeze |
| 19:53.07 | polyurethane | gnarface, this is my sources.list, do they look ok? http://pastebin.com/B7D3LNi3 |
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| 19:54.48 | ToeTag | polyurethane: looks good |
| 19:55.14 | polyurethane | alright, how would I go on about rebuilding apache ToeTag? |
| 19:55.15 | gnarface | polyurethane: yes but you should use squeeze instead of "stable" unless you *want* it to change out from underneath you (from squeeze to wheezy) |
| 19:55.15 | passstab | i'm getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 19:55.15 | passstab | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.49 | ToeTag | polyurethane: I personally would remove the package and then reinstall it |
| 19:57.50 | passstab | does anyone know why? (i'm using testing) |
| 19:58.20 | ToeTag | passstab: I've had errors like that that were temporary and, I believe caused server-side on the mirror |
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| 19:58.32 | ToeTag | passstab: You could try just waiting or switching to a different mirror |
| 19:58.42 | passstab | ToeTag:) thanks |
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| 19:58.53 | ToeTag | polyurethane: and if you want help removing/reinstalling just holler |
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| 20:04.52 | antithesis | Hello |
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| 20:05.12 | dontknow | hi, how can i execute "sudo sh -c "echo '\_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP._OFF' > /proc/acpi/call"" commant on startup. using systemd |
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| 20:05.28 | antithesis | Does apt or aptitude have a feature to install only programs of which no version is installed yet? |
| 20:05.57 | antithesis | apt-get --OPTION foo bar will only install bar if there is any version of foo installed |
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| 20:11.38 | ompaul | antithesis: do you mean if foo depends on bar only install foo if you already have bar? see man apt-get and --no-download but I don't think it is what you want check out -s while you are in that part of the man page |
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| 20:12.25 | antithesis | No, they're not dependencies of each other |
| 20:12.49 | ompaul | antithesis: if that isn't then keep going down until you find --trivial-only |
| 20:12.50 | antithesis | I have a list with programs I want to install, but some of them are installed already and it'll save time if it doesn't install those |
| 20:12.53 | polyurethane | I got the source with apt-get source apache2 but it still downloads 2.2.16? The latest one on their websites is 2.2 |
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| 20:13.06 | ompaul | antithesis: it won't install stuff that is already installed |
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| 20:13.23 | ompaul | antithesis: it just sails past that kind of thing |
| 20:13.31 | antithesis | I see, thanks |
| 20:13.47 | ompaul | !tell polyurethane about sns |
| 20:13.50 | jhutchins_wk | antithesis: It's like this happened to somebody before and they fixed it. |
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| 20:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | polyurethane: Custome builds of apache are not uncommon, but it's not a good package to start with if you don't understand building. |
| 20:15.59 | jhutchins_wk | polyurethane: Also, you get into having to package it and other components so you can manage all the inter-related dependencies. |
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| 20:38.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Where are the nfs server's logs located on Squeeze? |
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| 20:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | Are there shortcuts on libreoffice that will let you do things like "oocalc spreadsheet.ods"? |
| 20:51.44 | ws2k3 | hi when i try to stop the mysql server it allways says failed |
| 20:51.54 | jhutchins_wk | or just "oocalc" to create a new spreadsheet in one step? |
| 20:52.07 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Does it fail? |
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| 20:52.26 | ws2k3 | no the mysql server is runnine fine |
| 20:52.33 | ws2k3 | but when i wanne restart for example to reload the config |
| 20:52.36 | ws2k3 | it allways says failed |
| 20:52.45 | ws2k3 | i realy have to do kill -9 pid then i can close it |
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| 20:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Saying it failed is not the same as failing. What command are you trying to shut it down with? |
| 20:53.11 | ws2k3 | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 20:53.17 | ws2k3 | ./mysql stop |
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| 20:54.24 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: ? Are you doing this in /usr/bin? |
| 20:54.38 | ws2k3 | no in /etc/init.d |
| 20:54.38 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Besides which, mysql is the client, not the server. |
| 20:54.42 | ws2k3 | i also get Reloading MySQL database server: mysqld/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 20:54.42 | ws2k3 | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 20:54.48 | zykotick9 | ws2k3: are you using mysql from repo? as root, does "service mysql stop" result in something different? |
| 20:55.05 | ws2k3 | root@vps:/etc/init.d# service mysql stop |
| 20:55.06 | ws2k3 | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 20:55.07 | ws2k3 | yes from repo |
| 20:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Ah, you have overwritten the mysql user table in the default installation and changed the password/username for the mysql administrator. |
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| 20:56.02 | ws2k3 | yes i did |
| 20:56.04 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I believe there is an explanation and fix of this in one of the README files in /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
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| 20:56.50 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Alternately you can purge it, reinstall, and not break it this time. |
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| 20:57.26 | ws2k3 | how do i know which password mysql-sys-maint uses ? |
| 20:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Probably README.Debian in mysql-common or mysql-server. |
| 20:57.57 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I think the password is cleartext in the scripts. |
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| 21:00.04 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: It's not, but it's instructive to read /etc/init.d/mysql anyway, you'll see what it's trying to do. |
| 21:00.13 | jhutchins_wk | Bye! |
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| 21:01.14 | ws2k3 | thx |
| 21:01.21 | ws2k3 | i just had to update the password in mysql |
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| 21:04.30 | _basic6__ | how do i get infos about ecc memory errors? edac-utils said: Not enabling Memory Error Detection and Correction since EDAC_DRIVER is not set: |
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| 21:08.53 | _basic6__ | "edac-util: Error: No memory controller data found" ? |
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| 21:12.27 | meLon | I am unable to get OpenGL/3D Acceleration on my i3 Sandy Bridge integrated graphics. Followed a few instructions, but I'm not sure how to fix 'OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer'. http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1849 |
| 21:13.36 | philluminati | How do I even begin to work out why my subwoofer has stopped working? I never knew it _couldn't_ work |
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| 21:14.11 | philluminati | I thought it was "as long as it's plugged in".. yet my normal speakers work and my subwoofer doesn't! |
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| 21:15.25 | philluminati | (and they are plugged into the same headphone socket) |
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| 21:16.05 | gnarface | philluminati: often listed in alsamixer as Center/LFE |
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| 21:16.40 | philluminati | thanks gnarface |
| 21:17.35 | gnarface | np |
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| 21:33.27 | walex | meLon: it can be complex. The number 1 issue is whether your kernel has a an updated driver for your graphics chip. |
| 21:33.49 | walex | meLon: check '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' for obvious errors |
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| 21:41.01 | AlexLikeRock | buenas |
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| 21:41.15 | AlexLikeRock | sorry wron chanel |
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| 21:43.43 | meLon | walex: https://ezcrypt.it/RB5n#mWF0SayaGPYDVbIXxAKvKqCG |
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| 21:49.56 | jhutchins_wk | AlexLikeRock: buenas anyway. |
| 21:50.23 | AlexLikeRock | hahah tnks =) |
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| 21:52.42 | _FBi | my ati card isn't being picked up properly |
| 21:53.00 | jhutchins_wk | _FBi: How so? |
| 21:53.04 | jhutchins_wk | !ati |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:53.10 | _FBi | and I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 21:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | _FBi: Don't need one. |
| 21:53.27 | ompaul | _FBi: that's conflation ... why so |
| 21:53.43 | _FBi | jhutchins_wk, ATI says I don't have the drivers |
| 21:53.55 | _FBi | ati control center |
| 21:53.56 | ompaul | ATI or your computer? |
| 21:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | _FBi: There are free drivers, but they d9on't do full 3D acceleration. |
| 21:54.34 | zotta | can anybody tell me: to what package does "update-binfmts" |
| 21:54.38 | zotta | belong to? |
| 21:54.51 | ompaul | _FBi: you have a working computer - therefore your computer thinks you have drivers or you wouldnt have X |
| 21:55.02 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: re:ati s/free/open/ even the opensource ati drivers require non-free firmware |
| 21:56.55 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: So on a free install you get what, VESA? |
| 21:57.15 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i have no idea, haven't owned ati in a very long time |
| 21:57.50 | meLon | Has anybody gotten 3D Acceleration working on squeeze w. Intel HD4000 (Ivy Bridge)? |
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| 21:59.29 | _FBi | I was using BackTrack and everything was working, but I'd rather use a 'real' distro |
| 21:59.32 | engla | meLon: you need a later release than squeeze, Ivb is a quite new chipset |
| 21:59.59 | meLon | engla: Thanks for the resonse. Do you know if I need weezy or sid? |
| 22:00.00 | zykotick9 | engla: assuming, backports can't assist |
| 22:00.22 | meLon | zykotick9: I've followed all of the backport tutorials, and got 2d but no 3d working. |
| 22:00.22 | engla | backports doesn't have newer mesa I think |
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| 22:00.47 | zykotick9 | meLon: that's not encouraging. sorry man, off to unstable land for you ;) |
| 22:00.52 | meLon | I'll distupgrade, but I don't know to which |
| 22:00.55 | engla | ideally you should be on as new kernel as possible for Ivb |
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| 22:01.04 | meLon | rgr |
| 22:01.06 | engla | wheezy and sid are almost the same |
| 22:01.11 | engla | at the moment |
| 22:02.01 | zykotick9 | !slushy |
| 22:02.02 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 22:02.03 | ompaul | does kmuto not look after ivybridge (just curious) |
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| 22:03.32 | jhutchins_wk | _FBi: If it worked under backtrack, you know it can work, the rest is just details. Check out the factionds above (ie /msg dpkg radeon). |
| 22:04.09 | jhutchins_wk | factionds are like factoids but dyslexic. |
| 22:04.25 | meLon | engla: I'm going to try wheezy out. Thanks for the suggestion guys |
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| 22:04.58 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: dyslexics of the world untie! |
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| 22:05.40 | _FBi | My mother was a part of D.A.M. Mothers Agaisnt Dyslexia |
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| 22:05.54 | meLon | >_< |
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| 22:06.32 | somiaj | meLon: wheezy is nice as you can stablize with it. Just relize it is fun when you find a bug in testing and get to squish it. |
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| 22:07.36 | somiaj | meLon: before you upgrade to testing have you a) tried the 3.2 kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports for that chip? |
| 22:07.40 | meLon | This will also probably fix my lirc issues as well somiaj |
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| 22:07.57 | Daemonfool | Hi all. I am newbie on debian and i have some trouble with an external wireless card with RT3070 chipset. I try to install his driver and i can find it on nm but i can't scan for connections. Anyone know what is the problem? |
| 22:07.59 | meLon | Yes, as this tutorial suggests, somiaj http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1849 |
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| 22:08.28 | meLon | And this, somiaj http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html |
| 22:08.41 | somiaj | Daemonfool: many wireless cards need non-free firmware. First check dmesg to see if you have any issues about firmware |
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| 22:08.55 | somiaj | !rt3070 |
| 22:08.55 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian Linux 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 22:09.27 | somiaj | so in squeeze if things are all supported you need to get the ralink non-free firmware from debian non-free (which is not enabled by default) |
| 22:09.34 | Daemonfool | somiaj: yeah i installed the non-free ralink-firmware but it still don't work |
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| 22:10.20 | Daemonfool | I used this howto: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 22:10.33 | somiaj | Daemonfool: do you see the devince in /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 22:10.56 | somiaj | Daemonfool: do you see in info in dmesg about your card |
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| 22:11.34 | ompaul | somiaj: it may need to restart |
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| 22:12.52 | Daemonfool | somiaj: i'm not on debian right now, so i can't try. with ifconfig there are other problems. i can't do ifup or ifdown of the device: it give this error "ignoring unknown interface wlanX=wlanX" |
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| 22:13.38 | zykotick9 | Daemonfool: would that read wlan0? most likely? |
| 22:13.48 | zykotick9 | s/would/shouldn't/ |
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| 22:15.09 | Daemonfool | zykotick9: it gives that error with wlan0(notebook wireless card that works) and wlan1(rt3070 that doesn't work) |
| 22:15.33 | zykotick9 | Daemonfool: ok, just checkin'. good luck. |
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| 22:18.04 | somiaj | Daemonfool: ifdown/ifup are debian tools that use only info in /etc/network/interface (they of course only work if ocnfigured right but don't do much with new cards) |
| 22:18.22 | somiaj | Daemonfool: the two suggestions I gave you are the first place to look for info about your card. Check dmesg to see if it is detetected at all and any errors |
| 22:18.33 | somiaj | Daemonfool: /sbin/ifconfig -a will show you all detected interfaces (if they are configured or not) |
| 22:18.55 | somiaj | oops, /etc/network/interface |
| 22:18.57 | somiaj | oops, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:20.08 | Daemonfool | somiaj: there are both cards with ifconfig and iwconfig but if i use iwscan only wlan0 works |
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| 22:20.52 | somiaj | you have to bring up an interface to scan with it |
| 22:20.57 | somiaj | ifconfig interface up |
| 22:21.08 | somiaj | then you can scan with iwlist |
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| 22:22.49 | Daemonfool | somiaj: yes, but i think i have some configuration problem because i can't do ifup/down with wlan0 too |
| 22:23.08 | somiaj | again ifup and ifdown are mearly scripts that use ifconfig |
| 22:23.25 | somiaj | if you don't have info in /etc/network/interfaces you cannot use those scripts (but have to use ifconfig, iwconfig, or ip directally) |
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| 22:23.48 | somiaj | if you choose to use network-manager (or wicd) to manage your interfaces do not put things in the debian interfaces file and use their tools instead. |
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| 22:24.39 | Daemonfool | oh ok now i understood. |
| 22:25.29 | dosequis | hey all. what's the best way to access a network printer hooked up to a windows box? I'm running crunchbang. thanks |
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| 22:26.22 | somiaj | dosequis: we do not support crunchbang here. Go use their support. (look into CUPS but ask questions about using CUPS on crunchbang with them) |
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| 22:26.26 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 22:26.26 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 22:26.44 | dosequis | somiaj: ok thanks |
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| 23:11.06 | awc737 | where is apache2 error logs? |
| 23:12.07 | daimrod | awc737: where you put them, usually /var/log/apache2/ |
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| 23:23.58 | zifnab06 | if i have a line in /etc/shadow that looks like this: mail:*:15627:0:99999:7::: |
| 23:24.02 | zifnab06 | what does the * mean? |
| 23:24.14 | zifnab06 | (i know ! means disabled, and usually its a password hash) |
| 23:24.26 | simonlnu | no password set |
| 23:25.09 | zifnab06 | so, if i had passwordless logins enabled, they could login (assuming the shell wasn't /bin/false)? |
| 23:25.59 | simonlnu | good question :). i'd have to check man shadow et al |
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| 23:26.24 | simonlnu | If the password field contains some string that is not a valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the user will not be able to |
| 23:26.26 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.44 | zifnab06 | i fel really stupid for not looking at that first now |
| 23:26.46 | zifnab06 | feel* |
| 23:26.48 | simonlnu | ! means locked |
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| 23:28.11 | sirecote | zifnab06 happens to the best of us :) |
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| 23:49.19 | Nothing4You | hi there |
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| 23:49.41 | Nothing4You | i got a problem with my kernel routing table |
| 23:49.45 | Nothing4You | it has a line in it |
| 23:49.46 | Nothing4You | 88.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 23:50.16 | Nothing4You | which prevents me from connecting to ips starting with 88. |
| 23:50.33 | simonlnu | 88.0.0.0/8. remove it. check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:51.07 | diverdude | Hey...i have used gparted to format my usb-drive to ext4. However for some reason its not being mounted when inserted in the machine. dmesg gives me this: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/477266039 What am I missing? |
| 23:51.09 | Nothing4You | i don't have such entry there |
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| 23:52.57 | simonlnu | like something like a stray gateway entry, or a post-up thingy |
| 23:53.26 | simonlnu | or some other script in /etc/network/ |
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| 23:53.46 | Nothing4You | this is my ipv4 part in /etc/network/interfaces http://nopaste.info/613c07d6a1.html |
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| 23:54.39 | alberto | Alguém na sala? |
| 23:54.50 | gentgeen__ | I know that `cat /etc/debian_version` will give me the version, anything similar for getting codename? |
| 23:55.06 | simonlnu | Nothing4You: well, you have gateway setting twice there |
| 23:55.24 | alberto | Onde tem forum em portugues? |
| 23:55.34 | simonlnu | in the interface definition, *and* an up command |
| 23:55.39 | simonlnu | !pt |
| 23:55.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 23:56.23 | simonlnu | gentgeen__: try lsb_release |
| 23:56.23 | zifnab06 | Nothing4You: if getting rid of one of those doesn't work, what does 'ip -4 route' show |
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| 23:56.55 | Nothing4You | 88.198.39.128/27 via 88.198.39.129 dev eth0 |
| 23:56.55 | Nothing4You | 88.0.0.0/8 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 88.198.39.134 |
| 23:56.55 | Nothing4You | default via 88.198.39.129 dev eth0 |
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| 23:57.07 | simonlnu | drf |
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| 23:57.36 | Nothing4You | is there any way besides rebooting getting my OS to reload those network stuff? |
| 23:57.45 | zifnab06 | try 'ip -4 route del 88.0.0.0' |
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| 23:58.03 | zifnab06 | Nothing4You: 'service networking restart' |
| 23:58.18 | Nothing4You | route del returns RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 23:58.30 | simonlnu | try with -4 |
| 23:58.36 | zifnab06 | if it needs a full restart, 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' (just realize that will kill your connection completely) |
| 23:58.39 | Nothing4You | i copied the command |
| 23:58.42 | simonlnu | ok |
| 23:58.55 | zifnab06 | weird |
| 23:59.00 | zifnab06 | src 88.198.39.134 |
| 23:59.04 | diverdude | anyone? |
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| 23:59.26 | simonlnu | diverdude: moment |
| 23:59.48 | diverdude | simonlnu: thanks |
| 23:59.52 | simonlnu | diverdude: useb disconnect.. |
| 23:59.55 | simonlnu | usb* |