| 00:00.16 | alberto | Where can I suggest for them to include my keyboard type at the time of installation in debian bott? |
| 00:00.18 | diverdude | simonlnu: what? should i remove the usb? |
| 00:00.51 | gentgeen__ | simonlnu, thanks appreciate it |
| 00:00.54 | simonlnu | no, it removed itself/got removed by something |
| 00:01.12 | gentgeen__ | (guess I am a bit old school.. I keep forgetting about lsb) |
| 00:01.21 | alberto | my layout is here http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
| 00:01.25 | simonlnu | join the club ;) |
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| 00:02.05 | simonlnu | diverdude: so what happens is that the system loses access to the device |
| 00:02.10 | alberto | anyone? |
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| 00:02.26 | `Nothing4You | i think that killed my networking |
| 00:02.28 | simonlnu | anyone isn't here :P |
| 00:02.29 | `Nothing4You | # service networking restart |
| 00:02.30 | `Nothing4You | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 00:02.30 | `Nothing4You | Reconfiguring network interfaces... |
| 00:02.56 | `Nothing4You | new connection attempts timing out now |
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| 00:03.00 | diverdude | simonlnu: hmmm i see...but why? |
| 00:03.08 | simonlnu | you'll need to use ifup && ifdown then |
| 00:03.14 | alberto | I wanted to install debian using this keyboard layout http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
| 00:03.35 | simonlnu | alberto: ah ok. that you can choose your language and such. try using expert install |
| 00:04.10 | simonlnu | it should then prompt you more fully asto keyboard layout, language interface, etc. |
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| 00:04.14 | simonlnu | as to* |
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| 00:04.29 | alberto | Possible chose this layout keyboard? http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
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| 00:04.35 | alberto | i not see |
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| 00:04.39 | `Nothing4You | sent ctrl alt del to the server now |
| 00:04.44 | `Nothing4You | waiting until rebooted |
| 00:05.06 | diverdude | simonlnu: ? |
| 00:05.23 | simonlnu | diverdude: what does that mean? |
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| 00:06.00 | simonlnu | my crystal ball is in maintenance mode right now |
| 00:06.18 | diverdude | simonlnu: it means "why does the system lose access to the device?" |
| 00:06.31 | simonlnu | i don't know. check /var/log/syslog |
| 00:06.46 | simonlnu | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 00:07.10 | simonlnu | or just read the relevant part with your pager |
| 00:07.32 | alberto | simonlnu |
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| 00:07.51 | alberto | I see only dvorak, but is dvorak english |
| 00:08.22 | simonlnu | alberto: choose your language first, it'll go to keyboard layout. did you (re-)start the install in expert mode? |
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| 00:08.40 | diverdude | simonlnu: hmm i get this then: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/228051446 |
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| 00:09.03 | alberto | i go try |
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| 00:11.25 | simonlnu | diverdude: and how about before that disconnect? do you see anything mentioing usb 3-2 or the relevant /dev/sd device? |
| 00:11.34 | simonlnu | mentioning* |
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| 00:12.08 | crypticcryptic | hello |
| 00:12.09 | dvs | still trying to fix your mint installation? |
| 00:12.18 | crypticcryptic | does anyone use axi-cache to search things ? |
| 00:12.35 | simonlnu | not yet |
| 00:12.45 | simonlnu | dvs: who's that? |
| 00:12.48 | crypticcryptic | simonlnu, that for me ? |
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| 00:13.02 | crypticcryptic | does anyone use aptitude search the advanced features |
| 00:13.08 | dvs | diverdude |
| 00:13.17 | crypticcryptic | like the ~n or the ?name |
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| 00:13.37 | simonlnu | crypticcryptic: just ask |
| 00:13.46 | crypticcryptic | ok |
| 00:13.49 | simonlnu | playing 20 questions gets tiring |
| 00:13.50 | diverdude | simonlnu: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1799678421 |
| 00:13.53 | crypticcryptic | lol |
| 00:14.11 | diverdude | dvs: ? |
| 00:14.21 | crypticcryptic | i kinda figured out how to use aptitude search and the abbreviations like ~i for installed and ~n for name .. the question is i woud like to use the syntax like ?installed and ?name |
| 00:14.26 | crypticcryptic | is there like a syntax guide |
| 00:14.31 | simonlnu | diverdude: looks like you need one of those enclosure kernel drivers |
| 00:15.02 | simonlnu | crypticcryptic: check the readme you were pointed to several days ago |
| 00:15.26 | diverdude | simonlnu: hmm whats that? |
| 00:15.34 | crypticcryptic | simonlnu, i been studying it simonlnu but i really got custom to the abbrevations |
| 00:16.15 | simonlnu | diverdude: there's one or more drivers for specific external drive enclosures |
| 00:17.00 | diverdude | simonlnu: so it means i need completely new linux kernel? |
| 00:17.16 | simonlnu | no |
| 00:18.00 | diverdude | simonlnu: mmm ok...what then? |
| 00:18.25 | simonlnu | find out which one you need.... |
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| 00:19.44 | Brigo | diverdude: are you using squeeze? |
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| 00:20.47 | crypticcryptic | simonlnu, ie i was given this command the other day ?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)) .. its the same as '~S~VCurrent~o(Unoffical Multimedia Package)' |
| 00:20.47 | diverdude | Brigo: yes |
| 00:20.48 | crypticcryptic | correct ? |
| 00:20.52 | zifnab06 | diverdude: 'lsusb' |
| 00:20.54 | zifnab06 | does it show up? |
| 00:20.59 | diverdude | simonlnu: mmm how can i find that out? |
| 00:21.08 | diverdude | zifnab06: not it does not :/ |
| 00:21.14 | simonlnu | diverdude: research |
| 00:21.25 | dvs | Brigg: proxmox |
| 00:21.38 | diverdude | simonlnu: i have no idea what to search for |
| 00:21.49 | zifnab06 | diverdude: i'd ask if it works on another machine then, because even if there isn't a driver, *something* shoudl show up in lsusb |
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| 00:22.13 | dvs | Brigo: proxmox |
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| 00:22.27 | Brigo | dvs: ? |
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| 00:22.31 | alberto | simonlnu |
| 00:22.40 | alberto | I go try expert install |
| 00:22.49 | alberto | but layout not exist |
| 00:22.54 | dvs | Brigo: he's using proxmox |
| 00:23.06 | simonlnu | not in something like pt-br or international ? |
| 00:23.11 | diverdude | zifnab06: i tried on windows machine..also nothing...but it did work perfectly until i reformatted it to ext4 |
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| 00:23.40 | simonlnu | windows is another os, not relevant |
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| 00:24.09 | simonlnu | (a deprecated one, at that) |
| 00:24.10 | zifnab06 | diverdude: did it work on this machine before you formatted it to ext4? |
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| 00:24.16 | diverdude | zifnab06: yes |
| 00:24.30 | diverdude | zifnab06: i even copied all files from it to this computer to back it up |
| 00:24.32 | zifnab06 | 'mount' 'ls /dev | grep sd' |
| 00:24.45 | zifnab06 | is there something in the second one that doesn't show up in the first? |
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| 00:26.15 | diverdude | zifnab06: mm http://bin.cakephp.org/view/98712311 |
| 00:27.13 | Brigo | diverdude: may be this bug? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/linux.debian.bugs.dist/C9AUa8lkftI |
| 00:28.00 | alberto | Where can I contact the debian developers to include my layout? |
| 00:28.12 | diverdude | Brigo: hmmm i see |
| 00:28.34 | alberto | in boot install |
| 00:28.52 | somiaj | alberto: what do you mean by layout? |
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| 00:29.01 | diverdude | Brigo: so its a problem with udev? |
| 00:29.14 | alberto | layout keyboard |
| 00:29.26 | alberto | see http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
| 00:29.37 | alberto | is a dvorak nativo pt_br |
| 00:29.37 | Brigo | with that version ... |
| 00:29.39 | somiaj | alberto: oh keyboard. So your keyboard wasn't in the options at the start? Is there any close? You could file a bugreport on the debian-installer |
| 00:29.58 | Brigo | libudev0 175-3.1 |
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| 00:30.26 | alberto | I wanted to do this but do not know how. |
| 00:31.13 | somiaj | alberto: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630575 |
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| 00:31.25 | alberto | Has dvorak there, but that is only English. |
| 00:31.40 | somiaj | alberto: it seems they want to keep the list somewhat short. 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' you can do that after installation to pick from more layouts |
| 00:31.46 | diverdude | Brigo: ok...i am pretty clueless how to get in touch with this device again :/ |
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| 00:32.11 | alberto | it is included in the xkb date, but only after he instaled, but I want the boot. |
| 00:32.32 | zotta | does anybody have an idea, why SIZEOF_LONG would be defined as 8 on a 32bit system? |
| 00:32.48 | alberto | i need select this layout in boot of instalacion |
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| 00:32.50 | somiaj | alberto: read that bugreport. The matianer explains why the choice is not there. |
| 00:33.02 | somiaj | alberto: so you can add/comment on that bug if you want. |
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| 00:35.11 | somiaj | so yea looks like you will have to wait until the full install to change your keyboard layout |
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| 00:36.03 | somiaj | But it appears the debian team has made the decision that adding to many layouts will add more confusion than it will help the few users who want/need it. |
| 00:36.03 | alberto | Debian should include layouts of xbb-dat and not limiting |
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| 00:36.25 | philluminati | I downloaded Debian 6.0.6-AMD-1 DVD over BitTorrent and the checksum matches the website but it says there are sector read errors when the installation DVD starts |
| 00:36.45 | philluminati | I tried with 2 DVDs |
| 00:37.02 | somiaj | philluminati: could you just have some bad cheap dvd's or a bad burner? |
| 00:37.21 | somiaj | philluminati: (note you can get away with using the netinstaller if you have good network connenction or you can put the image on a usb drive) |
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| 00:37.42 | somiaj | so if your computer can boot from usb (most can nowdays) just cat the .iso onto a usb drive (save a dvd) |
| 00:37.46 | alberto | How I hate QWERTY, always hurting those who use dvorak. |
| 00:37.55 | philluminati | somiaj: I tried the netinstall before hand.. I'm slightly ughh untrusting of it |
| 00:38.20 | somiaj | philluminati: the netinstall does not need the network to install the base system. It is a complete function base system that you can install with no internet |
| 00:38.32 | somiaj | philluminati: to install additional packages you need the internet, but then you are just use apt-get/aptitude |
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| 00:39.37 | somiaj | alberto: again this has been discussed. I pointed you at the bug report talking about the decision being made. You are welcome to add to that bug report, but I doubt complaining about it won't do much good. A patch with a nice layout that works well may be considered, things do change) |
| 00:39.47 | philluminati | It didn't pick up an IP address from DHCP so I was wimped out at the disk formatting stage, went to a shell and ran wget and it didn't work |
| 00:40.06 | somiaj | philluminati: you don't goto a shell. You skip that process |
| 00:40.43 | somiaj | philluminati: i.e. you just continue on and install the full system. Once your reboot into your installed system, you fix your network (sometimes involves downloading the firmware and putting it on the machine) and get it up and apt working. |
| 00:40.59 | somiaj | philluminati: though yea if you want more, dvd images are just fine. Again you can put the dvd image on a usb thumbdrive if you have one big enough |
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| 00:41.16 | philluminati | I went through the installer normally until the paritioning stage.. then it was me that backed out of the process to the installation menu and chose a shell and tried wget |
| 00:42.02 | philluminati | I might risk it.. you're saying once the system is installed I'll be able to configure the network myself and get on afterwards |
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| 00:42.43 | somiaj | philluminati: if you understand a basic debian shell |
| 00:43.10 | somiaj | philluminati: again since you have the dvd iso image and it just might be your dvd's (or reader) has an issue you can try to put it on a usb stick |
| 00:43.22 | somiaj | philluminati: note this is a full shell (not the crappy limted one you get with the installer) |
| 00:43.34 | alberto | somiaj Unfortunately my English is not good to discuss there, but that will be included native keyboard one day. |
| 00:44.13 | philluminati | I think I'll do both |
| 00:44.48 | philluminati | A final question.. when the DVD was working it allowed to do the Gnome or the KDE install but not the XFCE one. Did I need a different DVD for that? |
| 00:44.55 | philluminati | e.g. disks 1 and 2? |
| 00:45.33 | philluminati | sorry I should be reading the documentation for that question |
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| 00:45.59 | somiaj | alberto: As of now they will not be included in the installer (but you can switch to it later). I doubt this is gonna chagne any time soon |
| 00:46.30 | somiaj | philluminati: you can chose to not install a desktop with the dvd and just wait until you have a network up and then install xfce with apt-get |
| 00:46.45 | somiaj | I thought there were cd-1 (or dvd-1) that included the xfce desktop, but you needed the xfce dvd |
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| 00:48.03 | philluminati | Ok I've decided that I can't be bothered to burn the DVD to an usbstick. I'd be in the same place anyway.. in the worst case scenario.. a machine without a network connection |
| 00:48.04 | somiaj | nope there are only xfce+lxde cd-1 |
| 00:48.19 | philluminati | So I'll just use my netinstall cd and go from there. |
| 00:48.37 | somiaj | so I am unsure if you can install xfce from dvd1 or not. If it is not there you do not have to install gnome (note the default desktop is gnome, so don't choose desktop enviorment in tasksel if you dont' want gnome) |
| 00:49.16 | somiaj | philluminati: in my experience if you know how to configure /etc/network/interfaces it probabaly only takes at worst download a non-free firmware package. |
| 00:49.23 | philluminati | somiaj: I'm sure I'll figure it out. Thank you for your help |
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| 00:49.58 | philluminati | I backed my /etc/network/interfaces up. I added 3 lines to it and I recall it working the last time out of the box.. so I'm confident |
| 00:50.03 | somiaj | philluminati: if you have really modern system you may need to download a backported kernel for network support. |
| 00:50.13 | philluminati | (now I know the installer itself won't break) |
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| 00:50.25 | somiaj | yea it is missleading it should be called 'minimial install' |
| 00:50.36 | somiaj | because it puts on a minimial functioning system. But you need a network to install any appliactions |
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| 00:51.26 | philluminati | somiaj: agreed |
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| 00:53.03 | philluminati | Thank you for your support somiaj. |
| 00:53.17 | somiaj | you are welcome. Have fun installing |
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| 00:53.35 | philluminati | :-) |
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| 01:00.42 | `Nothing4You | i can't figure out how to fix it :( |
| 01:00.49 | `Nothing4You | 88.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:00.52 | `Nothing4You | is still there |
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| 01:00.56 | `Nothing4You | i can't remove it |
| 01:01.01 | `Nothing4You | *: Unknown host |
| 01:01.12 | `Nothing4You | and i can't find something adding the route |
| 01:01.50 | `Nothing4You | oh |
| 01:01.52 | `Nothing4You | nvm |
| 01:01.55 | `Nothing4You | just found something |
| 01:02.04 | `Nothing4You | i need to remove the gw entry |
| 01:02.10 | `Nothing4You | then it works removing it |
| 01:02.25 | `Nothing4You | now all i need to do is finding out where it comes from |
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| 01:06.51 | _FBi | my search bars (google, youtube, etc.) are gray almost white. how do I correct that? |
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| 01:10.03 | `Nothing4You | _FBi: usually you have to go to addons or extensions settings |
| 01:10.06 | `Nothing4You | then click on remove |
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| 01:13.57 | Nothing4You | thanks for your help |
| 01:15.24 | _FBi | didn't fix my problem |
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| 01:16.14 | Nothing4You | mine is fixed |
| 01:16.35 | Nothing4You | i'm sure removing those toolbars would fix your problem aswell |
| 01:17.59 | _FBi | I have no tool bars, I think you misunderstand |
| 01:18.10 | _FBi | thank yuo for trying, I'll be back later |
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| 01:18.26 | Nothing4You | oh |
| 01:18.40 | Nothing4You | you mean that search box in your browser? |
| 01:19.04 | Nothing4You | can't help you with that, but yeah, i misunderstood |
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| 01:31.16 | alteregoa | hello darmoks |
| 01:31.28 | alteregoa | how to renice a job if it runs already? |
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| 01:31.36 | alteregoa | but automatically |
| 01:32.20 | Mayazcherquoi | How do I get a list of the most recent installed packages in Debian? I have tried http://distilledb.com/blog/archives/date/2009/06/30/getting-a-list-of-recently-installed-packages-in-ubuntu.page , and despite cat/grep/sort existing on my system (as they are LSB), I keep getting a "-bash: $: command not found" returned :( |
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| 01:34.27 | babilen | Mayazcherquoi: Try "grep install /var/log/dpkg.log*" -- the cat is not needed. You probably also made a mistake in your command, but I can't tell as I haven't seen it |
| 01:34.55 | babilen | Mayazcherquoi: Hmm, a "grep -w install ..." is better |
| 01:35.18 | Mayazcherquoi | babilen: I'm an idiot, don't mind me :P |
| 01:35.31 | babilen | ok, noted |
| 01:35.32 | Mayazcherquoi | I included the dollar sign in: "$ cat /var/log/dpkg.log* | grep "\ install\ " | sort" |
| 01:35.33 | Mayazcherquoi | :P |
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| 01:35.48 | philluminati | somiaj: Man, that was so painless |
| 01:36.16 | philluminati | After I took the CD out and rebooted and logged in.. the internet was already working |
| 01:36.19 | babilen | Mayazcherquoi: And you really don't nee that cat there. useless use of cat! |
| 01:36.28 | Mayazcherquoi | lol |
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| 01:37.32 | philluminati | The hard job of choosing a DE now :-) |
| 01:38.00 | ihsw | hi i'm trouble finding out why my nic isn't working |
| 01:38.08 | dvs | !start a de war |
| 01:38.08 | dpkg | GNOME blows goats! |
| 01:38.28 | dvs | yay! |
| 01:38.52 | MrFrood | +1 dpkg :P |
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| 01:39.49 | philluminati | :-) |
| 01:39.53 | ihsw | lspci outputs 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Device 1083 (rev c0) as my lan interface, but there are no connections |
| 01:40.14 | philluminati | !nvidia |
| 01:40.14 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages) or <nvidia dkms>. For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:40.53 | ihsw | can someone help me with troubleshooting and diagnosing why my lan nic interface isn't showing up in the Network Connections window |
| 01:42.05 | dvs | ihsw: paste the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i net" to paste.debian.net |
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| 01:42.42 | ihsw | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/210025/ |
| 01:43.43 | dvs | ,pciid 168c:002d |
| 01:43.45 | judd | [168c:002d] is 'AR9227 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002d http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 01:44.46 | ihsw | dvs: the wifi card isn't the problem -- i'm using it now |
| 01:44.54 | ihsw | dvs: the motherboard nic however isn't working |
| 01:45.15 | dvs | oops@ |
| 01:45.15 | ihsw | dvs: i suppose i should've omitted the wireless network adapter from the paste |
| 01:45.35 | dvs | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 01:45.36 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 01:45.58 | dvs | ihsw: you need a backported kernel |
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| 01:46.32 | ihsw | dvs: can you be more specific in what i have to do? |
| 01:46.53 | dvs | !backports |
| 01:46.54 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 01:47.21 | ihsw | dvs: very interesting, so what do i do? |
| 01:47.30 | dvs | !debian-backports |
| 01:47.30 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 01:56.02 | ihsw | dvs: oh i already have deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free in my sources.list file |
| 01:56.27 | ihsw | dvs: so how do i install the driver? |
| 01:57.11 | dvs | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 01:57.15 | somiaj | philluminati: strange that it had issues when auto configuring it...good work. |
| 01:57.17 | zifnab06 | ihsw: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install whatever |
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| 01:59.00 | ihsw | dvs: i'm running the command now |
| 02:00.03 | ihsw | dvs: the command finished, should i restart my computer? |
| 02:00.18 | dvs | yup |
| 02:00.31 | ihsw | dvs: alright, bye |
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| 02:00.39 | dvs | byye |
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| 02:02.41 | ihsw | dvs: that worked, thank you |
| 02:02.47 | dvs | np |
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| 02:17.50 | philluminati | Hi guys. Just installed xfce after a netinstall installation. nvidia is sorted, startx works |
| 02:18.09 | philluminati | but it doesn't come up as a "login service" so to speak. It just goes straight to root's desktop |
| 02:18.19 | philluminati | I think I need to install gdm3 |
| 02:18.37 | philluminati | Can I install xdm instead to avoid the gnome3 dependencies? |
| 02:19.02 | philluminati | Are they alternatives does anyone know? |
| 02:19.14 | philluminati | !xdm |
| 02:19.14 | dpkg | [xdm] X display manager, see /usr/share/doc/xdm/README.Debian for configuration details. Ask me about <nodm> to disable. |
| 02:19.27 | philluminati | !gdm |
| 02:19.27 | dpkg | <GNOME> Display Manager (GDM) is a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://wiki.debian.org/GDM http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>. |
| 02:19.43 | philluminati | ...I'll use xdm |
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| 02:22.50 | mmnicolas | as the single user of my workstation, I like to avoid using display managers, autologin with inittab, startx from ~/.profile then lock my session, this way when I type my password, everything is already loaded, just sayin |
| 02:23.16 | philluminati | mmnicolas: that's actually very cool |
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| 02:24.55 | mmnicolas | probably less secure against any physical hack though, but my apartment door has a lock for that :) |
| 02:25.29 | dvs | climbs the fire escape |
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| 02:25.54 | mmnicolas | you might as well reboot with init=/bin/bash or something like that |
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| 02:33.30 | alteregoa | how can i test of my nic supports the analescent mode? |
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| 02:34.37 | mmnicolas | promiscuous ? |
| 02:34.41 | alteregoa | yeah |
| 02:35.00 | jimcooncat-again | ha ha |
| 02:35.21 | dvs | though adolescent |
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| 02:36.18 | alteregoa | prmomsicous mode |
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| 02:37.39 | mmnicolas | alteregoa: ifconfig eth0 promisc |
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| 02:39.30 | alteregoa | i bridged network connections |
| 02:40.37 | un214 | you guys see the uproar abuot udev? |
| 02:41.04 | dvs | rabble rabble rabble! |
| 02:41.39 | un214 | I'll go to a static /dev before I go to upstart or systemd |
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| 02:51.22 | alteregoa | i see america lost twinkles |
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| 02:52.08 | un214 | meh |
| 02:52.15 | un214 | they'll be back under another brand |
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| 02:57.17 | philluminati | I just rebooted and that inittab and .xinit thing worked like a treat |
| 02:57.51 | philluminati | Thank you, that's so much better than facing the login screen and waiting for compiz to kick in |
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| 03:00.28 | dontknow | gnome do doesn't show newly created folders, video icon etc.. . and doesn't show other partition's folder, video icon etc... why is that? |
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| 03:01.18 | dontknow | it shows exact icons like archive icons etc... what do you thinkabout that? |
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| 03:03.03 | somiaj | so in source packages I would sometimes see debian/patches/ dir with all the debian patches, but now I'm not finding it in a newer version. Are the patches just all applied and contained in the packagename.debian.tar.gz (or is this something that is different from package to package)? |
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| 03:14.05 | jimcooncat-again | I would like to take my laptop to a family gathering, and host a web site over the laptop's wifi. Guests would just attach to the wifi and any access on port 80 brings them to the web site. How would I tell the laptop to act as a hotspot? Are there any packaged solutions for the redirection? |
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| 03:14.58 | philluminati | jimcooncat-again: if your laptop and all the guests are on the same wifi network, then you should just be able to run a webserver and tell them your IP address |
| 03:15.11 | philluminati | If there an existing wifi network or not? |
| 03:16.11 | jimcooncat-again | No existing network, I'd have to be the hotspot with the laptop's internal antenna |
| 03:16.18 | mmnicolas | even using anybody's phone as a hotspot would do it |
| 03:16.37 | mmnicolas | but I guess you don't want to depend on anything else |
| 03:16.46 | philluminati | using a phone to provide it would almost certainly be an easier solution |
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| 03:17.06 | jimcooncat-again | I don't do the phone thing, keep my tracfone shut off unless I want to call :-) |
| 03:17.53 | petn-randall | jimcooncat-again: with the network-manager GUI you can configure your wireless as a hotspot |
| 03:18.01 | damacus | i've not done it with linux, but technically you could use ad-hoc mode |
| 03:18.31 | petn-randall | jimcooncat: That's the simplest way to do it |
| 03:18.35 | mmnicolas | jimcooncat: this might be of use: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc |
| 03:18.39 | damacus | however, you're far better off just getting a super cheap bargain basement router |
| 03:18.52 | damacus | should be dime-a-dozen |
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| 03:20.11 | damacus | what sucks about ad hoc is that you have to touch each machine |
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| 03:23.16 | philluminati | mmnicolas: you put the screensaver lock command in .xsession did you say? |
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| 03:25.25 | hdfr- | anyone would know what causes this? |
| 03:25.28 | hdfr- | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:25.28 | hdfr- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:25.52 | mmnicolas | philluminati: should work, but I always let the window manager start it, don't really know why |
| 03:26.22 | philluminati | ...alright thanks, I'll have a play around |
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| 03:28.59 | mmnicolas | philluminati: part of my .i3/config: http://paste.debian.net/210037/ |
| 03:29.27 | philluminati | I should probably install a web browser |
| 03:29.29 | hdfr- | any idea? |
| 03:30.31 | mmnicolas | hdfr-: what are you trying to do ? |
| 03:30.47 | Orbitrix | ( o Y o ) |
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| 03:32.52 | hdfr- | mmnicolas, to get transmission to compile |
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| 03:33.57 | hdfr- | mmnicolas, http://paste2.org/p/2488511 |
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| 03:34.52 | mmnicolas | hdfr-: the cause of this is you using wildcards :) |
| 03:36.23 | mmnicolas | if you really want to do this, using the aptitude GUI, a nice an easy way to figure out what's wrong |
| 03:36.29 | mmnicolas | *use |
| 03:36.41 | hdfr- | then explain this? |
| 03:36.42 | hdfr- | http://paste2.org/p/2488518 |
| 03:38.31 | mmnicolas | and you're using squeeze ? |
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| 03:38.55 | hdfr- | I suppose. |
| 03:39.10 | hdfr- | root@ks3270478:~/transmission-2.73+# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:39.10 | hdfr- | 6.0.6 |
| 03:39.43 | mmnicolas | that's very easy to explain, Package requirements (libevent >= 2.0.10) were not met |
| 03:40.11 | mmnicolas | you're installing libevent 1.4xx |
| 03:41.16 | hdfr- | Oh right |
| 03:41.26 | hdfr- | so there's no 2.xx .deb? |
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| 03:41.42 | mmnicolas | in wheezy |
| 03:41.47 | mmnicolas | or maybe in backports |
| 03:42.30 | mmnicolas | yes, you can just get it from the backports |
| 03:42.40 | mmnicolas | but why are you doing this again ? |
| 03:43.30 | hdfr- | mmnicolas, to get transmission to compile |
| 03:43.46 | mmnicolas | yes, but transmission is already available in the repo |
| 03:44.01 | hdfr- | I want nightly builds |
| 03:45.55 | petn-randall | hdfr-: I tried to track the latest transmission build for a while, good luck with that |
| 03:46.21 | petn-randall | hdfr-: If you just want to install the daemon on a server, you can just comment out the gui packages and build deps |
| 03:46.36 | petn-randall | At least that worked for me |
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| 03:47.14 | mmnicolas | hdfr-: that's going to be hard from debian stable, you're lucky this package is already backported, I can't tell for the next dependency |
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| 03:47.50 | hdfr- | compiling from src atm |
| 03:47.50 | Mayazcherquoi | Just wondering, how do I remove pretty much anything to do with MySQL from my system? |
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| 03:49.06 | petn-randall | Mayazcherquoi: You start aptitude, flat package list, hit l, type '~i mysql' and try to deinstall packages with _ |
| 03:49.19 | somiaj | Mayazcherquoi: dpkg -l | grep mysql (give ya a list of packages you have with mysql in the title) |
| 03:49.27 | petn-randall | Mayazcherquoi: Be careful not to hose your system though ... |
| 03:49.30 | Mayazcherquoi | somiaj: Yeah, there are none. |
| 03:49.33 | somiaj | Mayazcherquoi: you can then use aptitude (or apt-get) to remove them. |
| 03:49.47 | Mayazcherquoi | apt-get/aptitude purge also doesn't remove the config files. |
| 03:49.59 | somiaj | yes it does |
| 03:50.09 | somiaj | apt-get --purge remove package_name will remove config files with the package name |
| 03:50.19 | petn-randall | somiaj++ |
| 03:50.36 | Mayazcherquoi | As I am still getting several errors, saying that my password already exists when trying to reinstall, which prevents proper package configuration. |
| 03:50.37 | somiaj | if the package has been removed you can use dpkg --purge <package_name> to take them out, dpkg -l | grep ^rc is what I do to look for pcakages in that state |
| 03:51.10 | somiaj | mysql passwords are contained in the database, those aren't config files. I think those are somewhere in /var -- you can back them up/move them |
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| 03:52.26 | somiaj | I think it is good policy purge doesn't take databases with it. |
| 03:53.03 | somiaj | Mayazcherquoi: what version of debian is this. |
| 03:53.22 | Mayazcherquoi | somiaj: Squeeze |
| 03:53.23 | philluminati | exit |
| 03:54.28 | somiaj | Mayazcherquoi: I belive the databases are in /var/lib/mysql (I would suggest backing that up and moving that directory) |
| 03:54.49 | Mayazcherquoi | somiaj: I've removed it |
| 03:54.53 | Mayazcherquoi | And /var/run/mysqld too |
| 03:54.57 | Mayazcherquoi | To no effect. |
| 03:55.10 | Mayazcherquoi | (I already know about, and have gotten rid of /etc/mysql/) |
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| 03:55.14 | somiaj | hmm if mysql is completely removed you shouldn't have /var/run/mysqld |
| 03:55.29 | somiaj | did you delete /etc/mysql manually? |
| 03:55.34 | Mayazcherquoi | Yes |
| 03:55.41 | somiaj | you should /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 03:55.43 | Mayazcherquoi | But that was after purging |
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| 03:56.15 | somiaj | still debconf notices things like that and won't remake correct config files, so make sure you add that option to your apt. |
| 03:56.36 | somiaj | seems like you got yourself in a strange state, I am just making guesses here. My suggestion is put more error output at paste.debian.net |
| 03:56.47 | Mayazcherquoi | somiaj: I just want to remove MySQL, as if it were never there. |
| 03:56.56 | Mayazcherquoi | As in, prior to me first installing it |
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| 03:58.27 | somiaj | I'm unsure how debconf keeps track of things. But if you have pured all the packages that is about the best I know how to do |
| 03:58.44 | Mayazcherquoi | Mmk. |
| 03:58.48 | Mayazcherquoi | Well, thanks :) |
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| 04:00.12 | edgy | Hi, shouldn't dpkg -l list only installed packages? I tried dpkg -l '*inet*' and I got both |
| 04:01.10 | Aprel | crontab -l fails: fopen: Permission denied. /usr/bin/crontab perms are -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab. Advice? |
| 04:01.52 | Aprel | Do I need to add user to group crontab? |
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| 04:04.34 | Mayazcherquoi | edgy: It does. Use dpkg -l | grep inet |
| 04:05.04 | edgy | Mayazcherquoi: so I am curious what does it mean when I use wildcards? |
| 04:05.20 | jagginess | edgy, it's called the glob in linux |
| 04:05.25 | jagginess | !glob |
| 04:05.29 | jagginess | lol |
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| 04:05.45 | Mayazcherquoi | edgy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_character |
| 04:06.25 | LtL | Aprel: try crontab -e , -l shows current crontabs, no you dont need to be in a group |
| 04:06.53 | edgy | Mayazcherquoi: I know what's wildcards but I wonder what dpkg -l inet* do? |
| 04:07.03 | jagginess | edgars, alias l='ls -lad --group-directories-first' , add that to your .bashrc file, and then it's simple as -> l* <enter> , l */ <enter> , or even l .*/ <enter> |
| 04:07.12 | jagginess | edgy ^ |
| 04:07.37 | edgy | jagginess: sorry? |
| 04:08.23 | jagginess | nm |
| 04:08.28 | edgy | jagginess, Mayazcherquoi: I still don't understand |
| 04:08.34 | Aprel | LtL: Similar error with -e flag: fdopen: Permission denied. Tried adding user to group 'crontab' as well; it didn't fix it. |
| 04:08.39 | jagginess | edgy, #bash |
| 04:09.35 | Aprel | root can access the user's crontab, but error is generated when user tries to access his own crontba. |
| 04:09.53 | edgy | jagginess: if I launch dpkg -l 'inet*', bash won't be involved because I quote it |
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| 04:11.38 | LtL | Aprel: i can't explain that, mine works as regular user. same permissions on /usr/bin/crontab as you. |
| 04:12.53 | Aprel | Oddly, I was able to write a crontab (that still executes on schedule, no problem) as of a couple months ago, but now can't read or change that crontab with root prev.. Did any updates to crontab roll out lately? |
| 04:13.11 | Aprel | ^*without root prev |
| 04:14.05 | jagginess | edgy, that means a packagename starts with inet , it's easier to just use, dpkg -l |grep inet |
| 04:14.17 | LtL | Aprel: not that i noticed no. |
| 04:14.57 | jagginess | edgy, you're trying to find the package for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:15.41 | edgy | jagginess: dpkg -l 'inet*' lists only one package inetutils-inetd as uninstalled but there are many other packages as well which are not listed, did you got my point? |
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| 04:16.00 | jagginess | edgy, . |
| 04:16.04 | edgy | jagginess: I am just seeking to understand and I have nothing specific I want |
| 04:16.07 | jagginess | edgy, dpkg lists installed stuff |
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| 04:16.30 | jagginess | edgy, you have a broken package if its not fully installed |
| 04:16.47 | edgy | jagginess: $ dpkg -l 'inet*' |tail -1 |
| 04:16.47 | edgy | un inetutils-inetd <none> (no description available) |
| 04:17.35 | edgy | jagginess: didn't you get the same output? |
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| 04:17.47 | jagginess | just do , apt-get -f install<enter> |
| 04:18.11 | Aprel | LtL: Can you check if your perms for /var/spool/cron/crontabs is drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab ? |
| 04:20.13 | LtL | Aprel: same |
| 04:20.23 | Aprel | LtL: thanks |
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| 04:20.45 | simplew | how can i clean the build source tree? |
| 04:20.49 | LtL | Aprel: np, good luck |
| 04:21.31 | edgy | jagginess: same result, just confirm you are not facing that problem and I would figure out why my system is behaving like this |
| 04:22.27 | edgy | jagginess: can you please paste the output of dpkg -l '*net*' |
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| 04:29.25 | edgy | jagginess: ? |
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| 04:36.41 | Aprel | LtL: Deleted crontab as root and recreated it as user. Seems to work fine now. Cheers! |
| 04:37.13 | LtL | Aprel: clever, cheers |
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| 04:48.54 | sary | Salutations! |
| 04:49.04 | sney | hi |
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| 04:49.59 | sary | hello sney :) |
| 04:50.10 | sary | a friend just did dist-upgrade and now he cant connect to anything and everything in /usr/local/bin is gone. |
| 04:50.22 | sney | what debian version |
| 04:51.17 | sney | /usr/local isn't used by debian utilities so that shouldn't be relevant - I'd be surprised if there was anything in /usr/local/bin before the upgrade |
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| 04:56.31 | sary | sney: debian stable . |
| 04:57.05 | sney | sary: so was that a dist-upgrade from one release to another? |
| 04:57.10 | sary | since when /usr/local isnt used anymore! |
| 04:57.51 | sary | sney: correct , now he is trying to fix his broken dsit-upgrade . |
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| 04:58.34 | jagginess | sary, a debian upgrade wouldn't delete that path which leads me to speculation what he really did |
| 04:58.59 | sney | sary: since always. /usr/local is for locally installed programs. apt doesn't use /usr/local/bin, it uses /usr/bin, etc |
| 04:59.29 | sney | sary: /usr/local is irrelevant. what is the connection problem |
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| 05:03.32 | sary | he is unable to connect to anything through eth0 or eth1 , he says he tried iwconfig and dhclient, and wicd doesnt work |
| 05:04.11 | sney | sary: when he upgraded, did he get a new kernel? was he on lenny (oldstable) before the upgrade? |
| 05:05.31 | simonlnu | *cough* release notes *cough* rtfm *cough* |
| 05:05.51 | sney | simonlnu: yeah. firmware is my guess. |
| 05:06.02 | simonlnu | probably |
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| 05:06.08 | sney | ubuntu made the dist-upgrade accessible to everyone! :| |
| 05:06.56 | simonlnu | yeh, sudo with no password on a live system and auto-login and crazy stuff |
| 05:08.47 | Shoya | what's rtfm? |
| 05:09.26 | sary | sney: the upgrade was from squeeze stable , he says he is still in squeeze. |
| 05:09.43 | sney | uh |
| 05:09.44 | Alam_Squeeze | Read The Fecking Manuals |
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| 05:10.05 | sney | sary: that doesn't make sense, and you didn't answer my first question. |
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| 05:11.55 | sary | sney: which question is it! |
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| 05:12.23 | LinuX2half | How do I enable clickpad on Gnome? |
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| 05:12.48 | LinuX2half | Using a synaptic touchpad, enabling as a mouse plugin. |
| 05:15.12 | Shoya | oh ok |
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| 05:16.24 | sary | sney: if you mean about the kernel .. he doesn't recall it . |
| 05:17.31 | sary | alright , hes current one is " 2.6.32-5-686 " . |
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| 05:18.01 | simonlnu | .kernels |
| 05:18.13 | simonlnu | ,kernels |
| 05:18.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 05:18.37 | simonlnu | ok, that's up to date. what about udev? |
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| 05:59.39 | Mayazcherquoi | How can I use aptitude to download a package from a specific repository, only? |
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| 06:19.02 | sary | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 06:24.26 | simplew | how can i put dpkg install verbose to see post/pre scripts? |
| 06:25.06 | sary | he says he keep getting an error that debnians 686 kernel config has been replaced by 686-pae which hes cpu doesnt support! what should be done here ? |
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| 06:31.44 | sary | any hints on ^^ |
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| 06:39.03 | simplew | how can i have an dpkg install verbosed? |
| 06:44.16 | zifnab06 | gotta lovepeople. 'how do i install a package from backports?' 'sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports whatever-package' |
| 06:44.26 | zifnab06 | and i get yelled at because 'whatever-package' wasn't the package they wanted :/ |
| 06:44.28 | cardamon | Is it just me, or idh |
| 06:44.38 | cardamon | sorry, wrong window. |
| 06:45.00 | cardamon | People are jerks and morons. Film at 11. |
| 06:45.59 | KOJIbKA | cardamon:not all but most |
| 06:46.28 | cardamon | This is why I drink. |
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| 06:48.20 | zifnab06 | cardamon: yeah, drinking fixes everything (honestly though, it does fix some things) |
| 06:48.56 | Fandekasp | hi there. Is there anyone here who know how to find font families supporting a special char ? (in my case \u2934) |
| 06:49.15 | somiaj | simplew: I don't think you can make the post/pre scripts give you anymore info. Might just have to look at the actual script. |
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| 06:53.03 | Shoya | sighs... |
| 06:53.16 | Shoya | i just noticed, 1. i can't see japanese characters in irssi |
| 06:53.24 | Shoya | 2. i can't use sudo |
| 06:53.52 | Shoya | "Chris is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported" i haven't added Chris to the sudoers file |
| 06:54.04 | Shoya | then again, i usually use su - root |
| 06:54.11 | Shoya | then do it all from there |
| 06:55.15 | sary | a friend of mine tried to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy , somehow the connection broke and so the upgrade process was interrupted and now while he is trying to finish the upgrade he keeps getting the error about to debian 686 kernel config has been replaced by 686-pae which hes cpu doesnt support! what should be done here ? |
| 06:55.47 | sary | Shoya: then , set UTF8 to ON in irssi. |
| 06:56.06 | Shoya | i did |
| 06:56.13 | Shoya | it's all directed to UTF-8 |
| 06:56.14 | sary | Shoya: add Chris to the sudoers file . |
| 06:56.20 | Shoya | how? |
| 06:57.10 | Shoya | nvm |
| 06:57.11 | Shoya | found it |
| 06:57.41 | sary | Shoya: i was like, really chris! :) |
| 07:00.37 | Shoya | wut? |
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| 07:07.19 | rainfyre | Shoya: viduso |
| 07:07.31 | Shoya | viduso? for? |
| 07:07.32 | rainfyre | Shoya: ugh. visudo :) |
| 07:07.35 | rainfyre | heh |
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| 07:07.41 | Shoya | visudo? for? |
| 07:07.44 | rainfyre | adding someone to the sudoers file |
| 07:07.47 | Shoya | oh |
| 07:07.56 | Shoya | i edited the /etc/sudoers file |
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| 07:08.09 | Shoya | added me under root in User Privileges |
| 07:08.14 | rainfyre | ok |
| 07:08.19 | Shoya | but will keep it in mind for next time |
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| 07:08.53 | rainfyre | ;) |
| 07:09.31 | Shoya | man, chroot is long |
| 07:09.36 | Shoya | LONG |
| 07:09.43 | Shoya | then again, i can't do anything bout it |
| 07:09.58 | Shoya | ,v chroot |
| 07:09.59 | judd | No package named 'chroot' was found in i386. |
| 07:10.04 | Shoya | oh |
| 07:10.22 | Shoya | ,v schroot |
| 07:10.23 | judd | Package: schroot on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.2-0+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.4.19-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1.4.19-1+squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.4.22-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 1.4.22-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.6.3-1; sid: 1.6.4-3 |
| 07:10.35 | Shoya | ,v debootstrap schroot |
| 07:10.36 | judd | Package: debootstrap on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.10lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.25~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.26+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.0.42~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.42; sid: 1.0.43 |
| 07:10.44 | Shoya | hmm |
| 07:10.54 | Shoya | i should have messaged the bot instead |
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| 07:26.08 | sary | nvm, that's what's up http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666186 |
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| 07:31.42 | blast_hardcheese | I'm trying to google for something that I don't know the name of, it's not going too well. I'm trying to set up qingy (a getty replacement that optionally spawns X instances) so that when qingy runs my ~/.xsession, it starts a reasonable subset of my regular working environment (including tray widgets and other utilities) |
| 07:31.57 | blast_hardcheese | The problem is that since this is just a shell script, nothing owns those processes |
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| 07:32.23 | blast_hardcheese | so if I stop my session, those processes live on |
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| 07:33.10 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a simple tool that allows you to cluster processes (or propagate signals) so when the "master" program dies, all children die as well? |
| 07:33.29 | blast_hardcheese | I think I could write this fairly easily in Python, but I'd rather use something standard |
| 07:33.38 | simonlnu | process reaper |
| 07:34.17 | simonlnu | sort of thing you're looking for. i suspect there's something that would do that. maybe in qingy itself |
| 07:34.34 | Shoya | god darn it, i can't install pcsx2 |
| 07:34.51 | blast_hardcheese | qingy is extremely minimal; I'm considering patching it to add additional functionality as it is |
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| 07:35.17 | blast_hardcheese | Shoya: ok |
| 07:35.20 | blast_hardcheese | why not? |
| 07:35.33 | simonlnu | because usually daemons do that with their own children they spawn, but they're usually just new instances of themselves (plus some otherstuff) and they're coded that way |
| 07:35.45 | simonlnu | other * |
| 07:36.05 | Shoya | i don't know to be honest |
| 07:36.11 | blast_hardcheese | right, but qingy only runs ~/.xsession |
| 07:36.17 | simonlnu | i'm a bit surprised that it doesn't |
| 07:36.19 | Shoya | maybe i'm installing for ubuntu? |
| 07:36.25 | blast_hardcheese | it's a shell script, when it runs all the way through, you get logged out |
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| 07:36.36 | Shoya | then again, ubuntu's Debian kid |
| 07:36.47 | Shoya | well yeah, it does kick me out |
| 07:37.01 | Shoya | but the thing is, a certain status doesn't appear |
| 07:38.27 | blast_hardcheese | simonlnu: I thought there might be something from back in xinit days that would handle this, since ~/.xinit worked much the same way |
| 07:39.18 | simonlnu | yeh. |
| 07:39.23 | Shoya | nvm, just had to NOT put "; clear ; exit" |
| 07:39.26 | Shoya | and bam it appears |
| 07:40.25 | Shoya | wonder what does "printf" do |
| 07:40.31 | simonlnu | man printf |
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| 07:40.40 | simonlnu | or man bash ; /printf |
| 07:40.57 | simonlnu | manpages-dev will give you printf(3) |
| 07:41.41 | simonlnu | blast_hardcheese: maybe see how xinit handles this sort of thing |
| 07:42.11 | blast_hardcheese | oh actually... |
| 07:42.31 | blast_hardcheese | I bet all these other clients would just die if the X session died |
| 07:42.42 | blast_hardcheese | how silly of me |
| 07:42.56 | simonlnu | startx runs a bunch of scripts and sources stuff, includes stuff, starts xinit, xinit does its thing, etc. then the whole deal runs and starts xorg |
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| 07:43.10 | simonlnu | yes, normally they do when DISPLAY disappears |
| 07:43.15 | simonlnu | if they need it |
| 07:43.34 | blast_hardcheese | right, in xinit's manpage launches a bunch of stuff in the background just like I'm doing in my .xsession |
| 07:43.38 | blast_hardcheese | well, awesome. |
| 07:43.41 | blast_hardcheese | time to run some tests |
| 07:43.45 | blast_hardcheese | Thanks simonlnu |
| 07:43.48 | simonlnu | even if they do, some don't die very well |
| 07:44.00 | simonlnu | (but those are rare) |
| 07:44.09 | blast_hardcheese | well, that's what I was hoping to catch with this process reaper |
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| 07:45.10 | simonlnu | it's gonna be a bit difficult, since often they get reparented to init, right. so you'll have to check the PTY for instance. |
| 07:45.20 | simonlnu | if they do |
| 07:45.38 | blast_hardcheese | I was thinking of just grabbing the PIDs as they were backgrounded, then passing them all into the program that would keep track of this stuff. |
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| 07:46.25 | blast_hardcheese | It wouldn't work with true daemons, but most (all?) X clients don't work that way |
| 07:46.26 | simonlnu | yeh, easier |
| 07:47.01 | simonlnu | just fill up a tuple with the PIDs ;p |
| 07:47.08 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
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| 07:54.13 | KsM | Hm |
| 07:54.27 | KsM | Only the first line of my .xinitrc seems to be followed |
| 07:57.11 | rwp | KsM, Is the first line "#!/bin/sh" and the file executable? |
| 07:57.58 | mmnicolas | KsM: pastebin it |
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| 08:07.10 | KsM | erm |
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| 08:07.53 | KsM | sorry about that before I left, ssh to irc and the server connection ied |
| 08:07.55 | KsM | died* |
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| 08:09.22 | KsM | I'll make changes to my .xinitrc and try again in a few minutes |
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| 08:11.11 | ettinger | has anyone used iosafe for fireproof/waterproof data backups? |
| 08:11.19 | ettinger | i'm thinkign of getting one for my personal data |
| 08:11.42 | ettinger | they say it works with usb cable |
| 08:11.56 | ettinger | so i guess i can just mount it on my linux server? |
| 08:15.18 | mmnicolas | ettinger: theres nothing like georedundancy |
| 08:15.27 | ikrabbe | Hi, I set up a local repository file:/..../ unstable main, filled some packages in, created the Packages.gz and created a Release file in .../unstable/main/, finally signing it with my own key, that of course is added with apt-key add, but still aptitude tells me the source is "untrusted"? |
| 08:16.45 | ettinger | mmnicolas: yeah, but where can i get 1tb of storage cheaply? |
| 08:17.22 | mmnicolas | ettinger: from a store, install it in mom's linux box, brother and sister |
| 08:17.32 | ettinger | this thing is supposed to be fire and flood proof. For $500 I can get the pro, with 3tb...I don't think i can beat that price remotely. |
| 08:17.41 | ikrabbe | or better aptitude tells me the packages in it are untrusted. Of course the packages are signed too |
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| 08:18.27 | ettinger | mmnicolas: so you have a server at your mom's house you backup to? |
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| 08:18.38 | ettinger | my mom would probably unplug it |
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| 08:20.40 | ikrabbe | Ign file: unstable Release.gpg, hmm , but why? |
| 08:22.48 | simonlnu | probably because it already has it (HTTP code 304) |
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| 08:27.07 | ikrabbe | simonlnu, when it already has it (though it's file of course), why the source is still untrusted? |
| 08:27.42 | simonlnu | that's not where the pubkey is stored at for apt-key. you need to add that. |
| 08:28.11 | simonlnu | just means the repo is signed. |
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| 08:28.25 | ikrabbe | yes, but I added the key, with apt-key |
| 08:28.39 | simonlnu | you need to re-update |
| 08:28.59 | simonlnu | and if that's not working, you did something wrong. |
| 08:29.01 | ikrabbe | and I signed the repository (which is the source I assume), with that key, and I re-updated several times |
| 08:29.14 | ikrabbe | yes, but where and what |
| 08:29.45 | ikrabbe | during update I get that Ign Line, which tells me that it simply ignores my signature, as far as I understand that |
| 08:29.56 | simonlnu | repo is where the packages are at. yes, it means that. |
| 08:31.05 | ikrabbe | maybe I put that signature in the wrong directory? |
| 08:31.21 | ikrabbe | I mean I have unstable main-> unstable/main |
| 08:31.33 | ikrabbe | the packages are in unstable/main/binary-amd64/ |
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| 08:31.44 | simonlnu | each dist gets a Release.gpg |
| 08:31.45 | ikrabbe | the Release file is in unstable/main/ |
| 08:31.57 | simonlnu | yes, should be next to it |
| 08:32.35 | ikrabbe | so a Release.gpg in unstable/main, or should it go to / (relative to the repo) |
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| 08:34.25 | osxman | When does Wheezy come out ? |
| 08:34.56 | simonlnu | debian/dists/sid/ my InRelease, Release, and Release.gpg are all in there, and wheezy/ etc. |
| 08:35.12 | simonlnu | osxman: when it's ready |
| 08:35.28 | osxman | its up to beta 3 now right ? |
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| 08:35.41 | simonlnu | iirc |
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| 08:53.45 | ikrabbe | W: Conflicting distribution: file: sid Release (expected sid but got ), |
| 08:53.54 | ikrabbe | I think I just don't understand this error message |
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| 08:57.21 | sary | ikrabbe: but got " .. " what! |
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| 08:58.53 | ikrabbe | sary so? |
| 08:59.27 | ikrabbe | it now fetched the Release file from dists/sid |
| 08:59.35 | ompaul | yay |
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| 08:59.56 | ikrabbe | where does it expect sid where I have an "" empty string I assume? |
| 09:00.16 | ompaul | ikrabbe: if you are still confused please pastebin in paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 09:01.02 | sary | ikrabbe: you don't have an empty string .. me posting " .. " is simple asking you what it says you got . |
| 09:01.05 | ikrabbe | the interesting part is just: "deb file:/usr/src/debian/html/debian sid unstable/main" |
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| 09:01.09 | ikrabbe | no means to pastebin |
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| 09:01.34 | sary | there you go .. |
| 09:01.35 | ikrabbe | sary, it was an exact quote of what it said |
| 09:01.42 | ompaul | !pastebin |
| 09:01.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:02.48 | ikrabbe | http://paste.debian.net/210055/ |
| 09:02.49 | sary | that's the conflicting part right there " sid unstable/ |
| 09:03.16 | ikrabbe | hmm you can't say sid unstable/main ? |
| 09:03.32 | ikrabbe | does it need "sid main" or "unstable main"? |
| 09:03.34 | sary | change unsable to sid ! |
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| 09:03.46 | pav5088 | Does anyone know about the cyrus packages for Debian (wheezy)? I want to know if the directories in /var/spool/sieve (ie. a-z) should be owned by root.root. |
| 09:03.47 | ikrabbe | you mean sid sid/main? |
| 09:04.00 | pav5088 | I'm having permission issues. |
| 09:04.36 | pav5088 | Was thinking either it's a bug, or I'm doing something stupid. |
| 09:05.09 | sary | ikrabbe: please post your source.list .. |
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| 09:06.02 | sary | ikrabbe: run : cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:06.49 | ikrabbe | http://paste.debian.net/210055/ |
| 09:06.54 | ikrabbe | whats about that line? |
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| 09:07.38 | ompaul | ikrabbe: is this saying you wrote a package and you want to install it yourself or you are trying to run a mirror |
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| 09:08.27 | ikrabbe | ompaul actually I want to push my own compilations in there (which are updates of existing packages, i.e. php5-fpm) |
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| 09:09.03 | ikrabbe | actually it works, and actually I got it signed now |
| 09:09.17 | ikrabbe | but I still get this warning on apt-get udpate |
| 09:09.21 | ikrabbe | update even |
| 09:09.59 | ikrabbe | "W: Conflicting distribution: file: sid Release (expected sid but got )" |
| 09:10.14 | ikrabbe | the thing in the quotes is exactly the line I get |
| 09:10.20 | ikrabbe | what does it mean? |
| 09:10.36 | ompaul | ikrabbe: plaste the rest of your sources.list as you have been asked several times |
| 09:10.51 | ompaul | also pasting it would be good |
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| 09:12.10 | ikrabbe | http://paste.debian.net/210057/ |
| 09:12.17 | ikrabbe | whatever this gives you |
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| 09:14.03 | ompaul | why are you telling it you are building against sid when clearly you are building against squeeze |
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| 09:16.24 | ikrabbe | ompaul, I first just told it to be called unstable |
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| 09:16.57 | ikrabbe | ompaul, I don't have any idea what's behind those release names or why not to mix them freely |
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| 09:17.27 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.36 | ompaul | note the difference |
| 09:17.44 | ompaul | that's from man sources.list |
| 09:17.59 | ikrabbe | yes I know |
| 09:18.04 | ompaul | fine |
| 09:18.12 | ikrabbe | I first used that |
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| 09:18.22 | ikrabbe | without contrib non-free, that I seem not to need |
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| 09:21.01 | ikrabbe | actually contrib non-free seems just to add some more levels of directories I don't want |
| 09:21.02 | ompaul | it doesn't have the / |
| 09:21.22 | ompaul | that's the only thing if your gpg is right that is bugging me |
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| 09:21.43 | ikrabbe | the / makes no diffenece |
| 09:21.48 | ompaul | right I'm off to meet a bunch of coders sysadmins and contractors for breakfast have fun |
| 09:21.49 | ikrabbe | difference even |
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| 09:27.21 | ikrabbe | ok, finally I got it. |
| 09:27.44 | ikrabbe | I had to add some configuration lines on top of the generated release file |
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| 09:40.03 | ikrabbe | seems that I need to write some more understandable repository generation howto |
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| 09:42.29 | Michael | Hey. I'm having trouble with my root partition (/) claiming it's almost full, yet du / shows minimal usage. Inodes are not exhausted, any suggestions? |
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| 09:43.37 | gnarface | Michael: ext4 reserves a static amount of space for emergencies by default, i believe it can be changed without reformatting but i'm not exactly sure how. probably with e2fsprogs or something like that |
| 09:44.08 | Michael | The partition is 20GB, only <1GB in use, would it reserve that much? |
| 09:44.15 | yvesD | yes it resrves 5% of the overall space iirc |
| 09:44.25 | yvesD | *so only 2GB in that case |
| 09:44.30 | Michael | Yeah |
| 09:44.35 | yvesD | *1GB actually |
| 09:44.48 | yvesD | lol math |
| 09:44.52 | Michael | :D |
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| 09:45.38 | gogogo_ | you may use tune2fs to adjust the percentage |
| 09:46.17 | yvesD | it does not seem to be the problem here because 95% are free of the disc |
| 09:47.30 | Michael | http://pastebin.com/XyTv8DD1 |
| 09:47.38 | Michael | Oops, forgot du |
| 09:48.30 | Michael | du: http://pastebin.com/jcWggZaG |
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| 09:49.20 | ws2k3 | hi my debian server has no ram left |
| 09:49.31 | ws2k3 | but i'm running notthing special and i have 32 gb ram. |
| 09:49.45 | ws2k3 | how can i see which application is consuming somuch ram, |
| 09:50.05 | gogogo_ | Michale, you may need to go to / first and then run "du *" |
| 09:50.09 | ectospasm | ws2k3: pastebin the output of free -m... look at top (press '>' to sort by memory usage) |
| 09:50.13 | Michael | Let me try that |
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| 09:50.48 | Michael | Same result gogogo_ |
| 09:50.49 | ws2k3 | Mem: 32158 31948 210 0 145 30249 |
| 09:50.53 | Michael | roughly 900MB |
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| 09:51.17 | ectospasm | ws2k3: that's all cache |
| 09:51.29 | ectospasm | ...or mostly cache |
| 09:51.43 | ws2k3 | what is then a relayable way |
| 09:51.49 | ws2k3 | to check howmany ram there is in use ? |
| 09:51.56 | ectospasm | ws2k3: free -m |
| 09:52.21 | ws2k3 | oke thx |
| 09:52.23 | ectospasm | ws2k3: subtract cached from used |
| 09:52.31 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse |
| 09:52.35 | ws2k3 | just me beding stupid |
| 09:52.48 | ws2k3 | its to damn early for this kinda jokes :P |
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| 09:53.26 | ectospasm | for me it's late... |
| 09:53.38 | ws2k3 | for me its early |
| 09:53.43 | Michael | xD |
| 09:53.46 | ws2k3 | depends on wher eyou live i just woke up |
| 09:54.01 | gogogo_ | Michael , try du -sh * |
| 09:54.10 | gogogo_ | there should be a break down |
| 09:54.24 | Michael | Yeah |
| 09:54.31 | Michael | http://pastebin.com/7199phBp |
| 09:54.31 | gogogo_ | and may be the space is consumed by some hidden files |
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| 09:55.18 | Michael | It's a dedi so i'm going to run a remote install, only got it yesterday so :) |
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| 10:29.38 | sliddjur | my linux class tells me to create a virtual user for my ftp server. should I be looking on PAM then? |
| 10:30.34 | ectospasm | sliddjur: no, try adduser, useradd, or the like |
| 10:30.53 | ectospasm | sliddjur: you usually don't have to mess with PAM unless you need to tweak the authentication mechanisms. |
| 10:30.55 | sliddjur | they cannot be a "real" user on the system |
| 10:32.21 | nkuttler | sliddjur: you should probably read the ftpd documentation |
| 10:32.23 | petemc | sliddjur: you need to know what type of authentication your ftpd supports and create the user accordingly |
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| 10:34.35 | AlexLikeRock | help. aqemu say " KVM Kernel Module Not Loaded! |
| 10:34.35 | AlexLikeRock | To load this Module, Enter in Terminal with root privileges: "modprobe kvm-intel". Or If Use AMD Processor: "modprobe kvm-amd". |
| 10:34.35 | AlexLikeRock | Ignore This Error?" |
| 10:35.05 | AlexLikeRock | i dit on terminal ; and say " # modprobe kvm-amd |
| 10:35.05 | AlexLikeRock | ERROR: could not insert 'kvm_amd': Operation not supported |
| 10:35.05 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.40 | ectospasm | AlexLikeRock: "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name'" |
| 10:39.32 | dimir | detects cat abuse |
| 10:40.01 | ectospasm | dimir: alright, cat isn't necessary there, but not wrong either |
| 10:40.47 | ectospasm | AlexLikeRock: to correct what I wrote earlier: grep "module name" /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:40.54 | ectospasm | dimir: that better dimir? |
| 10:41.11 | xingu | procfs has been known to be tetchy in days of yore when it comes to advancing stdio's window with multiple read calls. |
| 10:41.28 | xingu | using cat on procfs isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
| 10:42.32 | dimir | ectospasm: perfect! :-D |
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| 10:43.13 | AlexLikeRock | # grep "module name" /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:43.13 | AlexLikeRock | root@debian:/home/iobo# 00 |
| 10:43.43 | jelly-home | model, not module |
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| 10:44.43 | AlexLikeRock | sorry |
| 10:44.44 | AlexLikeRock | model name: AMD Sempron(tm) 145 Processor |
| 10:45.09 | ectospasm | jelly-home: that was my bad |
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| 10:45.27 | ectospasm | jelly-home: I did it right the first time /-; |
| 10:45.29 | jelly-home | AlexLikeRock: your cpu likely has no hypervisor support |
| 10:46.02 | jelly-home | grep -E '\b(svm|vmx)\b' /proc/cpuinfo |uniq (svm for amd, vmx for intel) |
| 10:46.38 | ectospasm | I'd be surprised if a Sempron had svm |
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| 10:47.00 | AlexLikeRock | and soo. i can not emuate wit qemu ? |
| 10:47.12 | jelly-home | AlexLikeRock: you can. It will be slow. |
| 10:47.50 | AlexLikeRock | hoo :-( |
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| 10:48.03 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 10:48.17 | AlexLikeRock | i will go to cry |
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| 10:48.58 | KiFunStuS | Anyone get a cmi8788 back plate Mic working , Lots of un solved forums on the net |
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| 10:55.33 | CQ | hello, I need some help with testing vs. experimental. I want to run wheezy and teh sources.list ist set accordingly, but I want icedove and iceweasel from experimental. When I add that sources line, everything wants to jump to experimental... how can I prevent that? |
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| 10:57.22 | hoettr | CQ: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 11:00.33 | CQ | hoettr: thanks... so pinning with experimental at -10 seems to be what I want if I read that correctly. I only want experimental packages installed if and when I explicitly say so |
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| 11:02.28 | KiFunStuS | CQ are you trying to use stable to run things coded for testing |? |
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| 11:02.54 | CQ | no. I'm running testing, but want selected things (icedove, iceweasel) from experimental |
| 11:03.13 | KiFunStuS | CQ yeah i put the wrong order , but you will run into the same problems |
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| 11:03.20 | CQ | meaning? |
| 11:03.42 | KiFunStuS | CQ the dependancies for the things you want are based on the Experimental libs |
| 11:04.04 | CQ | makes sense, but with the mozilla stuff that seems to be a relatively limited subset |
| 11:04.25 | KiFunStuS | you could try upgrade some of the libs seperatly , but it would get very messy fast |
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| 11:05.37 | KiFunStuS | I am doubting I will get an answer for my question |
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| 11:05.55 | CQ | so how would you go about it (besides running ubuntu who usually have the latest mozilla stuff compiled) when running testing then? |
| 11:06.47 | KiFunStuS | run a virtual machine on experimental |
| 11:06.55 | KiFunStuS | i personally hate stuff breaking |
| 11:07.17 | CQ | how stable is experimental vs unstable vs testing? |
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| 11:07.20 | yvesD | not run "the latest" stuff? |
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| 11:07.24 | CQ | i.e. prone to breaking |
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| 11:07.53 | KiFunStuS | experimental is alpha , testing is beta , stable is official |
| 11:07.55 | KiFunStuS | if that makes more sence |
| 11:07.59 | f8l | CQ: It depends how you define stability. |
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| 11:08.21 | CQ | yvesD: inend user applications there are frequently new features that are good to have... icedove in testing is at v10, and v16 is out which is needed for improvements in the calendaring which I need |
| 11:09.00 | CQ | f8l: can use without hassle, with occasional manual fixing OK |
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| 11:09.18 | CQ | s/inend/end |
| 11:09.26 | AlexLikeRock | sugetions for a virtual machine |
| 11:09.49 | AlexLikeRock | qemu+kvm+aqemu = not work |
| 11:09.58 | AlexLikeRock | virtual box = not work |
| 11:10.21 | AlexLikeRock | what can i use to my cpu sempron ? |
| 11:10.46 | KiFunStuS | AlexLikeRock: honestly your CPU and probably ram is totally taxxed with a virtual machine , |
| 11:10.56 | CQ | I have a few VMs running. Stable for a DB machine, testing for a web server machine, but I don't want to run experimental for daily use. Would be OK for backend stuff (openerp, dovecot, etc.) |
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| 11:11.29 | f8l | CQ: I have been running sid with a pinch of experimental, and I had no troubles in years, but It may be just because I luckily use software that is not broken in experimental. I cannot guarantee the same will work for you. |
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| 11:11.58 | AlexLikeRock | i have 2 gb of RAM |
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| 11:13.04 | f8l | CQ: Just make sure to `apt-get install apt-listbugs` and there is a chance you won't have much trouble. |
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| 11:13.34 | KiFunStuS | AlexLikeRock: the sempron does not have virtual tech in it like newer and higher class AMD Chips , also Running your two OS's on 1GB each doesnt give you alot of head room , If you can drop one OS down to Command line and run 1 in GUI to spread your power around better |
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| 11:14.25 | AlexLikeRock | good idea |
| 11:14.32 | AlexLikeRock | i will try :D |
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| 11:14.39 | KiFunStuS | Best of luck |
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| 11:15.25 | KiFunStuS | 2.5 of 3gib here once i reload Planeshift lol |
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| 11:17.41 | CQ | but would pinning icedove and iceweasel to experimental and keeping the rest at testing be a problem? It always seems that the mozilla stuff has a smaller circle of dependencies |
| 11:17.59 | ectospasm | I'm trying to use mpd + ncmpc with pulseaudio. I can play music in ncmpc, but when I have other sounds to play (e.g. IRC notifications), the second sounds don't play. If I kill mpd, it's as if all the sounds were queued, and then it plays. |
| 11:18.32 | ectospasm | I've set mpd to use pulse (afaict), but I can't seem to get "mixed" audio |
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| 11:19.10 | ectospasm | this was working when I was using vlc as my media player, so I know pulseaudio is working... |
| 11:19.20 | f8l | CQ: I think it's quite safe, but I know some software depends on xulrunner… |
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| 11:20.20 | CQ | hm, can I see who depends on xulrunner in packages.d.o? |
| 11:21.13 | f8l | CQ: `apt-cache rdepends xulrunner-…` |
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| 11:26.23 | f8l | CQ: or `aptitude search ~i~Dxulrunner`; this will limit results to installed packages only. |
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| 11:32.13 | f8l | CQ: You can also just check what would happen if you installed experimental iceweasel for example: `apt-get install --recon iceweasel=16\*` |
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| 11:33.56 | wols_ | good day. is there a graphical/curses kind of way to edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
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| 11:35.52 | Leoneof | wols_: vi ? |
| 11:36.11 | wols_ | ok, amendment: which is not a general text editor :) |
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| 11:36.44 | CQ | wols_: emacs? :) |
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| 11:37.10 | maximon5894 | ciao |
| 11:37.14 | maximon5894 | !list |
| 11:37.14 | dpkg | maximon5894: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:37.48 | wols_ | no OSes either. I mean my first line starts with "|1|7NQG7dJHAQWNUkwdqFV7GW7JtSi67xgqK" how the hell should I know which host I'm editing? |
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| 11:38.36 | wols_ | or rather: removing. most importantly I need some software which tells me "this line is for host x.y.z or this one is for 1.2.3.4" so I can easily see which I can weed out |
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| 11:39.32 | wols_ | the _only_ cleartext I see is "ssh-rsa" to tell me what kind of key it is. nice and all but practically useless for me |
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| 11:43.00 | KiFunStuS | wols Su or Root load gedit said file , few ways |
| 11:43.17 | mactimes | Hi, everyone. I have "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" in my /etc/sysctl.conf file, but through "netstat -a" I can see some services listening on ipv6 addresses on my server. Is there any effective way to disable ipv6 system wide? |
| 11:44.49 | rlaager | mactimes: Why are you trying to disable IPv6? Are you having some particular problem? |
| 11:45.19 | mactimes | rlaager Yup. Conflicting configuration on legacy systems on LAN. |
| 11:45.22 | wols_ | KiFunStuS: why do I need root? and how would gedit help me deciper this base64 or whatever it is? |
| 11:46.01 | CQ | do packages go from experimental to unstable automatically or are tehy submitted expressly? |
| 11:46.11 | rlaager | CQ: the latter |
| 11:46.29 | rlaager | And most packages aren't uploaded to experimental. |
| 11:47.18 | mactimes | !ipv6 | mactimes |
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| 11:47.31 | CQ | then why for example is the new thunderbird/icedove 16 in experimental and not unstable? |
| 11:48.21 | ectospasm | I figured it out... I have to run pulseaudio in daemon mode |
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| 11:48.39 | ectospasm | CQ: because it hasn't made it out of experimental yet |
| 11:48.51 | wols_ | CQ: cause it's an experimental package where the maintainer thinks it has errors/problems/is not of high enough quality |
| 11:48.54 | petn-randall | CQ: Maintainers upload packages to experimental if e.g. they don't want them to go from unstable to testing |
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| 11:48.56 | ectospasm | CQ: read: not enough devs have vetted it to put it in unstable. |
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| 11:51.04 | CQ | hm, I understand the thinking, but does it make sense? testing is beta, and the mozilla releases would IMO qualify for that, so why experimental and not unstable? I guess its a maintainer decision but I'm still wondering why not unstable... |
| 11:51.13 | ysyk | someone use live-build? |
| 11:51.21 | CQ | it's not like it's 18 or 19 which is alpha/beta |
| 11:51.28 | petn-randall | CQ: no |
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| 11:51.45 | petn-randall | CQ: testing is on it's way to become the next stable |
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| 11:52.07 | ectospasm | CQ: stuff in unstable will automatically go to testing (if it's unfrozen) if there are no blocker bugs filed on it. |
| 11:52.37 | CQ | petn-randall: so this is just because of the freeze right now probably... |
| 11:52.51 | ectospasm | CQ: most likely due to sid being "slushy" |
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| 11:53.06 | petn-randall | CQ: Experimental tends to get larger during freeze periods, yes |
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| 11:56.45 | KiFunStuS | wols_: probably a good reason for me to go rest my eyes , sorry |
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| 12:17.35 | uglytermite | I installed debian 6.0.6 for amd64 but i don't have the graphic interface. How can I do |
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| 12:18.21 | ompaul | uglytermite: what install disk did you use |
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| 12:21.03 | ompaul | !next |
| 12:21.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:22.22 | uglytermite | no |
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| 12:24.07 | ompaul | uglytermite: it is now in excess of 5 minutes since the first question you must have sorted it out - if not you should answer the question as put |
| 12:24.08 | niekniek | hello! is it possible to use apt-get update in a debian package? |
| 12:24.20 | jelly-home | niekniek: to what purpose? |
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| 12:24.46 | niekniek | i want to create a package prerequisites.deb to install some repo files |
| 12:24.48 | ompaul | uglytermite: netinstall - disk 1 the kde disk qhich one |
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| 12:26.52 | yuqian | Hello everyone,does Qualcomm 3G chip(for example,mine is msm6550A) have driver for linux? |
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| 12:27.20 | ompaul | uglytermite: keep it in channel |
| 12:27.31 | yuqian | I have a 3G network card with this chip |
| 12:27.32 | ompaul | you still didn't answer which disk |
| 12:28.10 | ompaul | also expert install indicates what you should be - you aren't so I suggest you don't use expert and use the netinstall and let it guide you |
| 12:28.51 | ompaul | and due to the continuous pms I'm leaving freenode for a period of time |
| 12:28.59 | ectospasm | harsh |
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| 12:48.08 | MALs | What's a good log file analyser |
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| 12:51.28 | CQ | mal try http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:06.25 | Jaleks | which would be my favorite program to plot math formulas with case discrimination like this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/bsg4fwfa |
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| 13:18.19 | sKeiths | how can i tell if i am running nvidia kernel |
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| 13:19.23 | jelly-home | sKeiths: does lsmod | grep -E 'nvidia|nouveau' return any output? |
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| 13:20.19 | jelly-home | sKeiths: if there's a line beginning with nvidia in the output, that means the kernel part of their closed-source driver is loaded |
| 13:20.42 | sKeiths | nvidia 11197277 42 /n i2c_core 23876 2 i2c_nforce2,nvidia |
| 13:21.16 | sKeiths | where /n is a line feed |
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| 13:22.20 | jelly-home | nouveau would have been the free driver |
| 13:22.48 | Jaleks | sry, the link to the formula should have been http://preview.tinyurl.com/bsg4fw3 |
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| 13:24.06 | sKeiths | jelly-home, if i am having issues, replcing with noveau might help me ? |
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| 13:30.57 | osfd | Hi there, how to get rid of system bell, please. I run debian stable with 3.2 kernell and XFCE4 |
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| 13:37.27 | osfd | solved with gnme-alsamixer... |
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| 13:39.50 | Jaleks | it looks like i got a match with 'gnome-genius' which has an easy input of " function f(x) = ( if (x!=1) then (return (x^2-1)/(x-1)) else return (0)) |
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| 13:44.47 | l33th4x0r | yo l4merz. 1 hurd debian is for l33t iz dat true? |
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| 13:44.54 | l33th4x0r | yo |
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| 13:45.37 | jelly-home | sKeiths: unsure. In my experience the closed driver works better more often, but I guess you can try both and see |
| 13:46.04 | jelly-home | pwn3d |
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| 13:46.27 | sKeiths | okay, thanks jelly-home |
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| 13:50.12 | crose | Could anyone tell me how to enable webgl in firefox 16 (or chrome) on debian squeeze ? I've set 'webgl.force-enabled' to true but with no success. |
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| 14:12.28 | freaky[t]_ | hi all. i added deb ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free to my sources.list. how do I now install packages from this repository which are also in other repositories? |
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| 14:14.10 | meken | Hi, my resolution is misdetected every time X starts up. I manually `xrandr' to force my monitor to display a higher resolution. Where would be the best place to put this `xrandr' script so that it executes *after* X starts up? |
| 14:15.38 | meken | freaky[t]_: did you try `apt-get upgrade' and then try searching for the package you wanted? |
| 14:16.28 | freaky[t]_ | meken backports even has a newer version but i want the one from deb-multimedia |
| 14:16.31 | freaky[t]_ | how can i do that? |
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| 14:18.07 | meken | freaky[t]_: hmmmm... |
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| 14:18.58 | freaky[t]_ | i can install using -t option from backports but i dont know the name of the multimedia for that now |
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| 14:21.38 | meken | freaky[t]_: i mean, would it be crazy to temporarily comment out your other repos just for the purpose of installing this package from a specific repo? |
| 14:21.49 | saep | freaky[t]_: if you only need very few packages, i would manually download the .deb-packages and install them via "dpkg -i" |
| 14:22.13 | saep | using the multimedia-repository tends to break things :S |
| 14:22.34 | freaky[t]_ | deosnt give me auto update |
| 14:22.45 | freaky[t]_ | i want to install from that repository |
| 14:22.53 | freaky[t]_ | that cant be so hard is nobody using deb-multimedia? ;D |
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| 14:23.07 | crose | freaky[t]_ : i think the best way is to pin the package you're interested in, see here for more info : http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning |
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| 14:23.56 | meken | yeah, i found something similar here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/27362/how-to-only-install-updates-from-a-specific-repository |
| 14:24.37 | freaky[t]_ | that must be possible with just the -t argument ;D |
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| 14:24.47 | freaky[t]_ | meken i dont want that |
| 14:24.56 | freaky[t]_ | i only want to install 1 package from that deb-multimedia repo ;D |
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| 14:25.35 | crose | to find the name of the repo try : apt-cache policy | grep multimedia |
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| 14:26.17 | meken | freaky[t]_: wait, so why wouldn't `apt-get install -t multimedia <package-name>' work for you? |
| 14:26.29 | freaky[t]_ | it says already most recent version |
| 14:26.51 | freaky[t]_ | ffmpeg is already the newest version. |
| 14:28.08 | freaky[t]_ | maybe it doesnt understand the -t multimedia because that version (but newer) currently installed is not the version from -t multimedia |
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| 14:30.25 | freaky[t]_ | i dont get why? |
| 14:30.30 | freaky[t]_ | i need that package from multimedia |
| 14:30.34 | freaky[t]_ | cuz it has presets i need |
| 14:30.43 | freaky[t]_ | and is the version i need ... support presets i have |
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| 14:30.47 | freaky[t]_ | *supporting |
| 14:30.58 | freaky[t]_ | and now i dont know how i can get packages from that repo ;( |
| 14:31.22 | meken | freaky[t]_: that's a possibility. maybe try uninstalling `ffmpeg' and try reinstalling it with the `-t' option? |
| 14:31.36 | freaky[t]_ | ill try |
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| 14:33.38 | freaky[t]_ | now i get this error: http://pastie.org/private/ap1kjb6squpc3lcierjdqg |
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| 14:34.08 | freaky[t]_ | but it installs from the multimedia repo now |
| 14:34.50 | freaky[t]_ | ok removed that offending package now it works |
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| 14:37.21 | meken | freaky[t]_: great! |
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| 14:40.03 | alteregoa | darmok and jalad at tanagra |
| 14:40.55 | abrotman | english? |
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| 14:42.49 | jelly-home | alteregoa: for two adversaries joining together under a common threat, one of them speaking only in common-context-metaphors, try #defocus |
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| 14:46.21 | freaky[t]_ | oh my god! i finally did it. after 4 attempts over 2 years, and now 2 hours, i finally got clibbucket working on my server! thankk you very much meken and all others! ;D |
| 14:46.39 | freaky[t]_ | ;D |
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| 14:48.13 | alteregoa | jelly-home: thanks for this funny respond |
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| 15:09.07 | rgr | wheres the screen saver settings in wheezy? used to be in the preferences menu |
| 15:09.24 | abrotman | in what? gnome? kde? CLI? |
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| 15:09.40 | rgr | gnome |
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| 15:30.43 | asturel | hi, i want to build a kernel with few changes, whats the best way? or is there a tutorial? (im not rly familiar with debian and i assume is there some more 'automatic' kernel install than copying by hand) |
| 15:30.54 | sney | !kernel handbook |
| 15:30.54 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Wheezy) serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 15:31.09 | asturel | thanks |
| 15:31.15 | sney | np |
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| 15:31.39 | abrotman | asturel: generally speaking, if you do't have to build one, you probably sholdn't |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | leaves out letters |
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| 15:32.23 | asturel | abramart i need 1000hz kernel support and low latency things |
| 15:32.36 | abrotman | think we have those already |
| 15:32.36 | asturel | is there that kind of prebuild kernel? |
| 15:32.45 | asturel | in squeeze not |
| 15:32.45 | abrotman | !tell asturel about rt |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | asturel: backports.debian.org, good luck |
| 15:33.11 | asturel | thanks |
| 15:33.18 | asturel | i found and rt kernel anyway |
| 15:33.25 | asturel | i mean package |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:33.35 | engla | rgr: I don't think gnome-screensaver is a real screensaver anymore, might need to install something else |
| 15:33.42 | asturel | linux-image-rt-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package), PREEMPT_RT |
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| 15:34.00 | asturel | but what version is it? |
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| 15:34.26 | sney | asturel: same version as the non-rt kernel you're using. the only difference is the configuration. |
| 15:34.44 | asturel | ah okay, thanks |
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| 15:35.16 | johnfg | hey folks |
| 15:35.54 | johnfg | I'm running squeeze. I've got a problem with epiphany that it just crashes all of a sudden, no warning, no error messages. |
| 15:36.08 | johnfg | I looked at the bugs but didn't see anything specific to this. |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | johnfg: flash sites? |
| 15:36.24 | sney | if you start it from inside a terminal window, do you see any error messages printed there? |
| 15:36.25 | johnfg | I use iceweasel too. abrotman: yeah, I think. |
| 15:36.51 | johnfg | sney: I haven't tried, but that's a good idea. |
| 15:36.53 | abrotman | johnfg: which flash? adobe? gnash? lightspark? |
| 15:37.09 | johnfg | abrotman: flash, adobe's. |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | johnfg: how did you install it? with the package or from their site? |
| 15:38.53 | johnfg | abrotman: with the pkg, afaik. Haven't had to do it from their site for a few versions. |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | johnfg: have you run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' lately? |
| 15:39.47 | asturel | btw, should rt kernel work? |
| 15:40.01 | abrotman | one would think |
| 15:40.15 | johnfg | abrotman: No, I haven't. I'll do that right now... |
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| 15:43.50 | johnfg | abrotman: Ok, ran update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install. Then I brought up epiphany and it wanted to bring up what had crashed it. That was an audio file from espnradio. It crashed. |
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| 15:46.50 | johnfg | Here's the errors from running it within the terminal: http://paste.debian.net/210154/ |
| 15:47.55 | abrotman | not sure that's a flash problem ? |
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| 15:50.46 | johnfg | abrotman: I didn't see anything there that looked like flash either, but I'm not sure what the deal is. |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | johnfg: have you mixed versions of Debian > |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:52.10 | johnfg | I do have a lenny version on another drive that I could boot, but as it's EOL, I almost never run it. |
| 15:52.28 | johnfg | Whatcha thinkin? |
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| 15:52.59 | abrotman | no .. i mean, have you mixed squeeze with wheezy? |
| 15:54.05 | johnfg | abrotman: Nope, not that I don't have 'any |
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| 15:54.18 | johnfg | 'any' backports, but almost nothing. |
| 15:55.04 | johnfg | abrotman: Is there a way for me to search what if any wheezy I might have? |
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| 15:56.16 | rgr | on debian stable 'xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock"' worked fine to turn off the caps lock. Its not working in debian wheezy. Ideas as to why? (Gnome). |
| 15:56.16 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.40 | abrotman | johnfg: okay .. uhm .. youhave FF or IW? |
| 15:57.43 | abrotman | and it does ths ame thing? |
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| 15:58.14 | abrotman | johnfg: i'm mildly curious what would happen if you install gnash and try that |
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| 16:00.47 | saep | rgr: i think the gnome keyboard settings may overwrite the x-settings later on. There are also a lot of configuration options in the keyboard section, probably including the removal or rebinding of caps lock. |
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| 16:03.05 | johnfg | abrotman: I have IW, not FF. |
| 16:04.11 | johnfg | I think I remember having troubles with gnash when I first ran squeeze, but that might not be accurate. Would I just install it and then choose it as my flashplayer? |
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| 16:21.51 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Chances of it not crashing are pretty good. Chances of it doing anything useful are pretty low. |
| 16:22.56 | jhutchins_wk | It mostly works with fairly old versions/features of flash, and Adobe pushes it's flash customers to constantly upgrade to newer incompatible versions. |
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| 16:36.26 | hitesa | are there any IT consulting companys in the USA, firms that sell you to big companys and pays you bad (outsourcing) |
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| 16:49.42 | demosfere | Can someone help me? i'm having problems when building this recipe https://code.launchpad.net/~kedos-project/+recipe/bottomlauncher-daily , it gives me error No package 'dbusmenu-glib-0.4' found No package 'dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4' found , this is my buildlog : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/123265587/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.bottomlauncher_0.2.0-0-1~5~raring1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz |
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| 16:51.20 | sney | demosfere: are you trying to build it on debian? |
| 16:51.34 | demosfere | sney: i'm building on launchpad |
| 16:51.46 | sney | that seems rather offtopic for #debian then |
| 16:52.13 | demosfere | sney: where is the channel for deb packaging ? |
| 16:52.53 | sney | #launchpad for launchpad |
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| 16:56.15 | cantoma | hey guys, when i plug my headphones only one side is playing sound. I have tried with two different headphones and both work well on other devices (ipod, stereo, ...). Does any of you has any idea of what is could be causing it? |
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| 16:56.58 | diverdude | Hello, which source should i add to the sources.list if i want to install e.g. rtorrent and other default software |
| 16:57.15 | mtn | cantoma: so what is up with your sound settings? tried alsamixer? |
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| 16:57.26 | sney | diverdude: what debian version |
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| 16:58.10 | diverdude | sney: squeeze |
| 16:58.19 | sney | !tell diverdude about squeeze sources.list |
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| 16:59.30 | cantoma | mtn, do you see any thing strange here http://imagebin.org/236271 |
| 17:00.00 | phogg | cantoma: does "running windowmaker" count as strange (-: |
| 17:00.24 | cantoma | phogg, loool |
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| 17:00.36 | cantoma | phogg, apart from that |
| 17:00.43 | mtn | cantoma: maybe changing your sound device will help. you have a hdmi device now |
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| 17:01.25 | cantoma | mtn, i guess that is in select sound card (F6) |
| 17:01.42 | mtn | cantoma: most likely :P |
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| 17:03.28 | cantoma | mtn, it only seems to have one option http://imagebin.org/236273 |
| 17:03.56 | mtn | cantoma: choose the intel |
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| 17:04.24 | mtn | cantoma: otherwise I don't have an idea |
| 17:05.03 | cantoma | mtn, well unless it requires any kinda of reboot |
| 17:05.10 | cantoma | but the sound is still the same |
| 17:05.14 | mtn | cantoma: no, it shouldn't |
| 17:05.53 | cantoma | by the way i had to install a kernel from backports because the one that comes with squeeze is not OK for my PC that is brand new |
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| 17:06.44 | asturel | anyone knows, can i switch back from xen kernel without boot issue?:D |
| 17:07.38 | asturel | i mean is there any xen package which cause fail boot? |
| 17:08.02 | asturel | http://pastebin.com/RGciAR6B |
| 17:08.06 | asturel | (talking about the host) |
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| 17:13.45 | KettleCooked | I'm trying to "apt-get source l2tpns" but I'm getting errors such as "gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error" - any hints on what I need to do? |
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| 17:20.45 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: So you wouldn't really go for the gnash? |
| 17:23.43 | crypticmofo | ,version weechat |
| 17:23.44 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.3.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.3.8-1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1; sid: 0.3.9.1-1 |
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| 17:25.27 | crilly | Who controls the channel logs for this channel? Is possible to speak with them please? |
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| 17:26.31 | pskosinski | Does Debian has an installer? |
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| 17:27.44 | saep | pskosinski: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 17:28.36 | pskosinski | And how will it help me… |
| 17:28.56 | pskosinski | ok, ok… |
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| 17:30.19 | saep | or do you mean a program to install programs? :o |
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| 17:32.06 | pskosinski | Does netinst has gui installer? |
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| 17:34.40 | saep | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds06.html.en |
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| 17:36.41 | engla | pskosinski: no, it's ncurses-ish |
| 17:37.06 | pskosinski | ty |
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| 17:42.57 | cantoma | hey guys, mplayer gives sound with root but not with the user. Is there any quick fix? |
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| 17:43.19 | cantoma | in the user groups i can see audio there |
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| 17:43.29 | cantoma | is there anything else i should check |
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| 17:44.42 | LtL | cantoma: type groups in your terminal, is audio listed |
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| 17:45.07 | asturel | sney linux-image-rt-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-rt-amd64 but it is not going to be installed |
| 17:45.15 | asturel | and now i have 2.6.32 |
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| 17:46.11 | cantoma | LtL, yes |
| 17:46.23 | LtL | cantoma: then its something |
| 17:46.28 | LtL | else |
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| 17:47.30 | cantoma | asturel, the linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-rt-amd64 is from backport .. did you remove the backports from your apt.conf file? |
| 17:47.37 | asturel | nope |
| 17:47.42 | asturel | or dunno |
| 17:47.44 | asturel | i'll check |
| 17:47.47 | asturel | i didnt touched it |
| 17:47.54 | LtL | cantoma: you can read up on it here, http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 17:47.58 | asturel | but someone said that i'll have to add it |
| 17:48.11 | asturel | no backport |
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| 17:48.27 | asturel | ah |
| 17:48.29 | asturel | wrong shell |
| 17:48.41 | cantoma | asturel, well if linux-image-rt-amd64 depends on linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-rt-amd64 then the former is coming from the backports as well |
| 17:48.54 | cantoma | LtL, thanks |
| 17:49.12 | asturel | nah.. but i dont have -rt kernel :D |
| 17:49.20 | LtL | cantoma: goog luck, if that fails /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:49.28 | asturel | now in apt repo |
| 17:49.45 | cantoma | LtL, i am going to try to purge alsa and do it again |
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| 17:51.00 | asturel | in grub2 config how do i count the 'default'? |
| 17:51.03 | asturel | starts from 0? |
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| 17:51.14 | asturel | so the 3. menuentry will be 2 ? |
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| 17:59.08 | cantoma | LtL, it seems that the problem is not from alsa. aplay file.wav works but mplayer file.wav gives no sound |
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| 18:05.07 | cantoma | LtL, i am compiling from source to check if there is any difference |
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| 18:09.35 | cantoma | LtL, it seems that the version from source it works :o |
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| 18:11.20 | diverdude | where can i see an intact sources.list from debian squeeze? (not in my own system) |
| 18:12.53 | lakse | diverdude: it should be something like http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uwSWwFPv |
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| 18:18.47 | cantoma | LtL, all fine now .. source rulezz |
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| 18:19.55 | wathek | Hi everybody |
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| 18:21.16 | mythomaniac | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.47 | mythomaniac | i cannot access any repository... |
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| 18:22.34 | wathek | I have a problem with my fresh new installed Debian Squeeze I have an external USB 1TB hard disk and when I connect it I see in the /var/log/messages file this : Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16) |
| 18:22.36 | tedd | salut ! on parle francais ici ? |
| 18:22.47 | wathek | and after that it says unknown partition table |
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| 18:23.16 | wathek | any idea ? |
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| 18:24.38 | walex | wathek: it may be a hardware issue, some USB chipsets don't support large storage devices |
| 18:24.58 | tedd | ok, my probleme is wheezy with ati card radeon hd 4650, can you help me/us |
| 18:24.58 | walex | tedd: #Debian-FR |
| 18:25.36 | wathek | walex, but in the document of the USB external box it's written that it supports 2TB Hard Disk |
| 18:25.38 | walex | mythomaniac: you can switch to a console and run some ping etc. |
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| 18:26.03 | walex | wathek: it is not necessarily the USB chipset of the box, could be that of the USB hub if you have one, or that of the computer |
| 18:26.25 | wathek | oh |
| 18:26.27 | mythomaniac | walex: know how to do that in vbox... alt-F* dont work... |
| 18:26.28 | mythomaniac | :/ |
| 18:26.30 | mythomaniac | indeed |
| 18:26.36 | wathek | this is bad |
| 18:26.52 | tedd | i need an xorg working :) without no kde no gdm .... just lxde or xfce |
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| 18:27.16 | wols_ | tedd: should work out of the box. what's your Xorg.0.log say? |
| 18:27.18 | walex | wathek: most recent chipsets should handle that though. |
| 18:27.27 | walex | tedd: 'xinit' ? |
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| 18:27.48 | wathek | walex, let me test that on an other computer |
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| 18:29.08 | tedd | the official radeon don't works, but the fglrx was ok |
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| 18:29.38 | wols_ | why wouldn't the radeon one work? is it a agp card? and if fglrx works, what's your problem? |
| 18:29.42 | wathek | walex, you're right |
| 18:30.07 | wathek | I tested on my Asus N53SV and it works well |
| 18:30.17 | wathek | walex, cannot it be just a firmware upgrade ? |
| 18:30.34 | tedd | mmmm 2000 debian user and no hello ? |
| 18:30.39 | walex | wathek: if it is the USB chipset, they usually don't have firmware. |
| 18:30.57 | tedd | bonjour :) |
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| 18:31.07 | wathek | oh |
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| 18:31.32 | tedd | maybe i must try openbsd |
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| 18:38.49 | wathek | thank you walex |
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| 18:44.22 | qq30 | hello, I'm just looking for a nudge in the right direction. I'm trying to be able to ssh into my phone and my desktop remotely, however my IP address appears to be the same from both machines. I suspect that Google is telling me the IP of my wifi extender. Any help or suggestions? |
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| 18:48.29 | walex | qq30: aks your phone and your computer what is their address, not Google. |
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| 18:53.06 | wols_ | qq30: what IP do you get exactly?. here, you are using 71.195.177.194. you might be behind a NAT |
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| 18:56.43 | Cyclohexane | qq30: if it's a home connection of course you all have the same external IP. You probably have to port forward to a specific LAN address |
| 18:57.14 | qq30 | wols: yep, that's the ip I'm getting. |
| 18:58.09 | qq30 | Cyclhexane: okay. Is there a good resource to explain this to me? |
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| 19:00.23 | Cyclohexane | qq30: depends on your router |
| 19:00.39 | diverdude | FOr some reason i cannot connect to ftp.dk.debian.org from my debian server....i can from other machines on the same network...what could be missing? |
| 19:00.53 | pskosinski | Newest kernel in debian is 2.6.32…? |
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| 19:01.34 | qq30 | Cyclohexane: Well I mean the process of setting all of this up in general. I keeping running into things like this that I can't find explicitly explained in guides. |
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| 19:03.18 | Cyclohexane | pskosinski: depends if you want stable release or not latest would be 3.* |
| 19:03.27 | diverdude | FOr some reason i cannot connect to ftp.dk.debian.org from my debian server....i can from other machines on the same network...what could be missing? |
| 19:03.40 | pskosinski | Cyclohexane: Are thee big differences between stable and unstable? |
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| 19:04.21 | Cyclohexane | qq30: try google for port forwarding, or look through your routers documentation |
| 19:04.41 | qq30 | cyclohexane: thank you for the help. |
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| 19:07.10 | tedd | je dis ca je dis rien :) mais on connais la musiz |
| 19:07.23 | tedd | c pas pro |
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| 19:09.21 | tedd | bon , je vous donne 1 heure pour repondre a mon probleme, meme pas trouver la solution, au dela, je vous considere comme incompetant |
| 19:09.28 | tedd | c'est correct non ? |
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| 19:10.26 | tedd | je repete mon soucis : |
| 19:11.04 | tedd | carte ati hd 4650 sur wheezy en mode libre, pilote officiel |
| 19:11.15 | tedd | vous avez 1 heure |
| 19:12.14 | pskosinski | How to install xorg properly? ^^ When I am executing apt-get install xserver-xorg-core I see a lot of packages like drivers for radeon, vodoo, etc. which for sure won't be needed for me. Should I install all? |
| 19:12.40 | tedd | :) |
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| 19:12.57 | ompaul | !fr |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 19:18.02 | walex | pskosinski: you don't need them but they are tiny |
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| 19:18.22 | walex | pskosinski: usually they are all installed because most users don't know which one they need |
| 19:18.54 | pskosinski | ok, thanks. :) I'm asking because e.g. in Gentoo you are setting gpu before installing drivers and then installing only one ^^ |
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| 19:19.40 | walex | pskosinski: Gentoo is designed with the idea that its users know which driver supports which version of which chip |
| 19:19.59 | pskosinski | So Debian is trying to be idiot-proof…? |
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| 19:20.38 | pskosinski | "idiot" ;) |
| 19:20.45 | pskosinski | Not that I want to insult anyboy… |
| 19:20.49 | pskosinski | anybody * |
| 19:21.19 | pskosinski | I don't know anyone using Debian who doesn't know what GPU he has… to be honest |
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| 19:21.33 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 19:21.47 | chaospsychex | i was wondering how to output sound to usb headphones in iceweasel ? |
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| 19:24.07 | walex | chaospsychex: you select the sound card incorporated in the headphones as the default output. |
| 19:24.29 | chaospsychex | walex: where do I do that? |
| 19:24.53 | markovh | anyone familiar with debian acting up when having ipv6 enabled and wgetting urls? where as -4 seems to resolve it? I did a tcpdump and it looks like the box asks... the dns server responds... the box asks again and the dns server responds again and then nothing... |
| 19:25.03 | markovh | the box asks for both a and aaaa and both are responded to |
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| 19:25.51 | Dagger2 | pastebin wget's output? it prints info about the DNS resolution and connection attempts |
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| 19:26.52 | markovh | the host i'm wgeting doesn't even have an AAAA record and is responded to accordingly... |
| 19:28.09 | Dagger2 | then adding -4 shouldn't do anything |
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| 19:29.05 | chaospsychex | how can i change the default audio output ? |
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| 19:31.40 | Dagger2 | markatto: ...perhaps that wasn't a very useful answer... do `host <domainname>` or `dig AAAA <domainname>` show anything relevant? |
| 19:31.46 | Dagger2 | markovh* |
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| 19:32.08 | chaospsychex | i did 'alsamixer -c 2' with 2 being the usb audio headset. audio is still coming out of the pc speakers though, do i need to restart iceweasel or reload alsa ? |
| 19:32.46 | walex | chaospsychex: that just selects card index 2 for 'alsamixer' |
| 19:33.13 | chaospsychex | walex: how do i output all audio through the usb headset from the cli ? |
| 19:33.25 | walex | chaospsychex: to change the default you need to edit 'alsa.conf', it is not totally trivial. |
| 19:34.15 | chaospsychex | walex: but that would change the default permanetly, wouldn't it? i just want to change it temporarily...is there a way to do that ? |
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| 19:36.22 | walex | chaospsychex: not really. Unless perhaps you switch to PulseAudio, as in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 19:36.53 | funkadelic | What's the difference between allow-hotplug and auto in the network interfaces file? |
| 19:37.10 | chaospsychex | walex: for some reason my audio skips when using pulseaudio |
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| 19:37.46 | walex | chaospsychex: that can be fixed usually, but it takes a bit of work. Let's say the state of GNU/Linux audio is not perfect. |
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| 19:38.24 | walex | chaospsychex: also, probably you are not worrying about the sound output of Iceweasel, but of the various plugins, like Flash, that can be embedded in it. |
| 19:38.37 | rgr | how do I reverse/reset '/usr/bin/setxkbmap -option 'ctrl:swapcaps'' ? |
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| 19:39.14 | chaospsychex | walex: but flash has to output through alsa, yes ? |
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| 19:39.47 | walex | chaospsychex: indeed. |
| 19:39.48 | rgr | setxbmap -layout de doesnt reset it. |
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| 19:40.43 | chaospsychex | walex: you would think there would be a way to direct ALL audio sent through alsa to device 'foo' by passing a parameter/argument to alsa..... |
| 19:40.45 | engla | rgr: doesn't the man page say that -option '' will reset it? |
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| 19:41.17 | rgr | aha you're right. I missed that. |
| 19:41.39 | walex | chaospsychex: sure there is, by editing '~/.alsarc' or '/etc/alsa.conf' |
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| 19:41.56 | rgr | xmodmap doesnt work in wheezy as it did in squeeze. Im trying to figure out setxbmap to map my caps lock to mod3 for xmonad without much success. |
| 19:42.05 | walex | chaospsychex: but as you noticed it is a bit static. |
| 19:42.19 | chaospsychex | walex: indeed, a more dynamic solution is needed... |
| 19:42.26 | tedd | tchao all revolution ! |
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| 19:42.36 | walex | chaospsychex: BTW ALSA is just the driver. What you can tweak is the ALSA library, which is what those two files configure |
| 19:44.40 | chaospsychex | walex: so the alsa driver reads those two config files on loading ? what is the difference between '~/.alsarc' and '/etc/alsa.conf' ? |
| 19:44.42 | walex | chaospsychex: interestingly there appears to be a 'FLASH_ALSA_DEVICE' env var that can be set before starting Iceweasel |
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| 19:45.33 | simonlnu | chaospsychex: system, then user, as typical setups go |
| 19:45.35 | walex | chaospsychex: the ALSA driver reads no files. The ALSA library does, and '~/.alsarc' affects the sound library in application started by one user, '/etc/alsa.conf' applications started by any user |
| 19:45.48 | simonlnu | ^^^ |
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| 19:46.17 | walex | but the general idea is to use a sound daemon between ALSA library and ALSA driver, one can do dynamic stuff, and today that means PulseAudio. |
| 19:46.39 | chaospsychex | i see |
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| 19:46.55 | simonlnu | you don't need one. if you need one, the app you're using is badly written in that part. |
| 19:47.55 | chaospsychex | simonlnu: don't need what ? |
| 19:48.11 | simonlnu | a "sound daemon" |
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| 19:48.35 | chaospsychex | oh |
| 19:48.42 | walex | simonlnu: yes and no, and anyhow most apps are badly written. |
| 19:48.46 | simonlnu | but, i think we're venturing into opinion territory, so i'll leave it at that ;) |
| 19:48.53 | simonlnu | heh true |
| 19:49.34 | chaospsychex | what causes my audio to skip while using pulse output ? old hardware ? |
| 19:49.55 | simonlnu | background proceses i bet |
| 19:50.14 | simonlnu | or some i/o thing, or random neutrinos |
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| 19:50.22 | Cyclohexane | clear |
| 19:50.23 | chaospsychex | random neutrinos, lmao |
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| 19:51.13 | chaospsychex | is there an IRC channel on freenode dedicated specifically to linux audio ? |
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| 19:51.31 | simonlnu | #alsa ? :) |
| 19:51.44 | krababbe1 | chaospsychex: #pulseaudio |
| 19:51.50 | walex | I am tired.. it is 'etc |
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| 19:52.16 | Philippin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.20 | walex | I am tired.. it is '/etc/asound.conf' overriding '/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 19:52.24 | simonlnu | !ops Philippin |
| 19:52.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Philippin |
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| 19:52.50 | simonlnu | ding |
| 19:52.52 | cnythnk | haha? |
| 19:52.54 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 19:53.01 | simonlnu | !mentor++ |
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| 19:53.14 | mentor | Wasn't me :) |
| 19:53.24 | simonlnu | and one for whomever coded idoru |
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| 20:09.41 | JasonTheAdams | Someone there to answer a simple bash question? |
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| 20:10.22 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 20:10.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:13.01 | JasonTheAdams | Ah, just caught that. My apologies. Anyway, I'm writing a simple bash script to run a program on startup, and I have it in the /etc/init.d/ directory, but when I try to run it, I get a "/bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory". How can I fix this? Here's the script: http://pastebin.com/ZC6rcdn7 |
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| 20:13.58 | walex | JasonTheAdams: wrong line terminator, it is not CR. |
| 20:14.48 | JasonTheAdams | Ah, I see. I am making the file in Windows and sending it over... I'll see if I can find a way to export for Linux in Notepad++ |
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| 20:19.52 | pskosinski | How can I check which package provides a header file? |
| 20:19.55 | walex | JasonTheAdams: d2u |
| 20:20.03 | walex | pskosinski: dpkg -S |
| 20:20.13 | walex | pskosinski: dlocate |
| 20:20.15 | JasonTheAdams | walex: d2u? |
| 20:20.26 | walex | JasonTheAdams: dos2unix |
| 20:20.28 | wols_ | pskosinski: packages.debian.org |
| 20:20.34 | pskosinski | And if they are not returning anything… ok |
| 20:20.42 | walex | pskosinski: apt-file search |
| 20:20.43 | wols_ | pskosinski: which header file? |
| 20:21.01 | pskosinski | cursorfont.h, and a few other for X11 |
| 20:21.15 | pskosinski | keysym.h, Xatom.h… |
| 20:21.22 | pskosinski | I want to recompile dwm |
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| 20:21.34 | walex | pskosinski: libx11-dev |
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| 20:21.41 | pskosinski | ty :) |
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| 20:21.57 | walex | pskosinski: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update |
| 20:21.58 | JasonTheAdams | walex: Got it. I formatted the endings. Now I'm getting an error that it thinks I'm trying to do a command called FILE, when I really mean to execute FILE as a constant of a file path. |
| 20:22.32 | pskosinski | ah… will be usefull, thanks |
| 20:22.34 | walex | JasonTheAdams: perhaps reading an introduction to shell scripting is better than expecting an interactive tutorial over IRC |
| 20:22.46 | Lexflex3000 | (offtopic) is anyone here using dasKeyboard with blue switches? |
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| 20:24.58 | abrotman | johnfg: did you figure it out ? (sorry, ran away) |
| 20:25.19 | zafir | in the case of a diskless machine, how to export the startup output on the machine to the server, to be possible to check eventualy errors? |
| 20:25.35 | wols_ | zafir: serial console is best |
| 20:25.41 | JasonTheAdams | walex: Understood, and believe me I'm going through the introductions. This is me trying to piece my way through my frist practical script. |
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| 20:25.46 | pablo | hi guys, if I see a mirror listed in debian website which has been for over a month down. Should I report a bug for someone to remove it? |
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| 20:26.44 | abrotman | they likely know .. |
| 20:26.48 | abrotman | did you check the mirror status page? |
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| 20:27.19 | abrotman | zafir: please don't ask multiple channels |
| 20:27.20 | pablo | abrotman: no. which one is it? |
| 20:27.39 | pablo | abrotman: so they know and they will remove it eventually? |
| 20:27.59 | abrotman | !tell pablo about mirror status |
| 20:28.00 | zafir | abrotman if u don't help, don't disturb |
| 20:28.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zafir about multiple ask |
| 20:28.28 | zafir | wols_ there is no monitor there... no keyboard |
| 20:29.46 | pablo | thx |
| 20:29.55 | wols_ | zafir: yes, serial console |
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| 20:30.13 | nvz | zafir: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh copies the dmesg buffer to /var/log/dmesg at boot.. could manipulate that file or the script to export it elsewhere |
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| 20:30.47 | zafir | nvz it's a great idea |
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| 20:30.58 | zafir | but how to do in a diskless machine |
| 20:31.04 | nvz | zafir: I didn't think so, but sounded like what you wanted |
| 20:31.37 | nvz | use email, ssh, nfs, w/e your choice |
| 20:32.42 | zafir | but think, If I have problem before mount nfs disk, so how could the kernel read the bootmisc.sh? |
| 20:33.07 | zafir | so will have no logs |
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| 20:34.09 | xingu | zafir: netconsole? |
| 20:34.12 | nvz | zafir: if you have a problem of the magnitude you're trying to prevent, you cannot prevent it.. you need better hardware.. various tools they make for this are serial consoles, impi, and networked KVM and such |
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| 20:34.37 | nvz | servers meant to tolerate this kind of failure address these issues in hardware not software |
| 20:35.10 | zafir | xingu it don't solve in this case |
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| 20:36.03 | zafir | nvz I agree but I already have a problem and can't mount the disk |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | which version of linux is this? |
| 20:36.31 | zafir | and the screen is so fast.. that's impossible to read the startup |
| 20:36.31 | JasonTheAdams | How does one explicitly execute a file in Bash? If I try to execute a variable, $FILE, it interprets it as a command and errors. |
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| 20:36.52 | abrotman | JasonTheAdams: source $FILE ? |
| 20:37.15 | zafir | debian |
| 20:37.50 | nvz | zafir: sounds like a classic case of asking the wrong questions.. you don't know enough to fix whatever your problem is, moved on to thinking you know how to troubleshoot it yet had to ask how.. rather than just asking about the original issue itself |
| 20:37.54 | markovh | is there anyway to get the packages that depend on another? in the packages.debian.org pages it'll show you what packages the one you're looking at depends on but i want to see what packages depend on the one i'm looking at |
| 20:37.56 | simonlnu | zafir: it's called scroll lock, might want to try that (^s). |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | markovh: what problem are you really trying to solve? |
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| 20:38.32 | simonlnu | personally thinks he's out of his league, but whatever |
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| 20:38.57 | markovh | abrotman: on a system a package used to be installed and isn't any more. i want to see what packages could have been depending on it so had it installed automatically |
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| 20:39.39 | zafir | nvz don't be upset friend... I have two issues, one is to have a startup output of diskless machines exported to the server |
| 20:39.43 | nvz | !rdepends |
| 20:39.43 | dpkg | i heard rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 20:39.48 | simonlnu | JasonTheAdams: exec, or eval. depending on your needs. be aware eval is evil |
| 20:40.19 | JasonTheAdams | simonlnu: Hah! Why is eval evil? |
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| 20:40.40 | simonlnu | you'll find out as soon as you read man bash ;) |
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| 20:40.54 | pskosinski | eval is not evil :x |
| 20:41.33 | pskosinski | But usually no need to use it |
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| 20:42.18 | sprax | I want to install a single package from testing. Can I specify the package I want in my sources.list? |
| 20:42.27 | wols_ | !backport |
| 20:42.27 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:42.56 | wols_ | sprax: you need to backport it, and depending on its dependencies, that can be quite hard to do |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | sprax: which? |
| 20:43.48 | zafir | simonlnu it's not viable in the sense to have more than one machine problem.. |
| 20:43.56 | sprax | wols_ It's drush. Stable has 3.x, backports has 4.x, but I want 5.x from testing. I could add the testing repo and do an apt-get update, install it, then comment out the repo, but that's kind of gangster. |
| 20:44.12 | simonlnu | zafir: whowhat? |
| 20:44.23 | zafir | scroll lock |
| 20:44.32 | markovh | abrotman: nvm found some google fu to do it |
| 20:44.35 | wols_ | Depends: php5-cli (>= 5.2), php-console-table probably no problem |
| 20:44.37 | simonlnu | missing the point... |
| 20:44.41 | tech__ | be careful; I borked an install doing that once |
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| 20:45.35 | sprax | is a VM I cooked especially for drupal hacking so I'm not worried. Should I just add testing to my sources.list then? Is there a way to say "just get this one package from testing"? |
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| 20:46.03 | wols_ | sprax: download the package from packages.debian.org and use dpkg -i |
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| 20:46.23 | sprax | wols_ doh! yep. thanks :) |
| 20:46.50 | JasonTheAdams | simonlnu: I feel like I'm doing something unconventional. Source expects a filename but doesn't see my constant as one, and exec leaves the script (when I'd rather now). Is it just bad juju to attempt to execute a file via constant? :/ |
| 20:47.38 | zafir | nvz thank you by ur opnion |
| 20:47.43 | simonlnu | just have to be aware where you're getting that from. also better answered in #bash |
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| 20:48.10 | JasonTheAdams | Ah, didn't know there's a bash channel. I'll ask there. Thanks! |
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| 20:51.35 | non4me | hi |
| 20:51.36 | non4me | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.45 | non4me | or no need? |
| 20:52.00 | pskosinski | When executing startx in virtual machine I am getting error that /dev/fb0 doesn't exist, and it's truth, it doesn't. What should I do? |
| 20:53.03 | nvz | non4me: thats a difficult question to answer.. first off the kinds of things I'd back up debian packages cannot touch.. next thought that comes to mind is that on stable I'm not concerned about it doing anything to the stuff it can touch, where as on testing/unstable it could destroy things |
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| 20:53.43 | nvz | non4me: best all around advice I can give you is don't upgrade cause you don't know what you're doing |
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| 21:11.42 | Richlv | if anybody wants to add some more oil to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/threads.html#00328 , i have a suse system that hangs upon login on some systemd stuff. why should it hijack my logins, i don't know :) |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | you're writing debian-devel mailing list about SuSE? |
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| 21:24.27 | Richlv | abrotman, that thread has referenced archlinux, redhat, gentoo and i probably missed a few distros there |
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| 21:24.45 | Richlv | well, it actually started with gentoo initiative... |
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| 21:27.56 | crypticmofo | can somebody explain the provdies search term for me |
| 21:28.09 | crypticmofo | ?provides |
| 21:28.43 | crypticmofo | does this mean that the provides is part of the pkg description or tag or something and it searches that |
| 21:28.58 | Sm0ke0ut | like `apt-cache search`? |
| 21:29.21 | crd | `aptitude show c-compiler` |
| 21:29.28 | crd | it's used for virtual packages |
| 21:29.39 | crypticmofo | ie .. i did a aptitude search ~P(irc)' and i got a little list but when i do a aptituide search '~P(irssi)' |
| 21:29.40 | crypticmofo | no luck |
| 21:29.48 | crypticmofo | crd, that for me ? |
| 21:29.54 | crd | yeah |
| 21:30.04 | crypticmofo | when i ran the command all the currelt flags are P shouldn't they have a V next to them for virtual ? |
| 21:30.06 | Sm0ke0ut | `apt-cache search irssi` works for example :) |
| 21:30.21 | crypticmofo | well yes im just testing the command and why would we need provides |
| 21:30.35 | crd | not if you're looking at the packages that provide for a virtual package instead of the virtual package itself |
| 21:30.58 | crd | `aptitude search ^irc$` will show a package with v next to it |
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| 21:42.53 | sacredchao | I am trying to install ia32-libs on my sid box, but it depends on ia32-libs-i386 which is not installable. |
| 21:42.59 | sacredchao | Does this have something to do with a switch to multiarch? |
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| 21:44.16 | AimHere | I don't know, but it would be smarter to switch to multiarch |
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| 21:44.43 | simonlnu | abrotman: about the udev stuff and a gentoo fork i bet |
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| 21:45.24 | simonlnu | yup, it is |
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| 21:45.41 | simonlnu | omg... |
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| 21:49.04 | Snafu777 | Anyone here mind helping me fix a quick problem with a debian repo i created? |
| 21:49.07 | Snafu777 | I'd much appreciate it |
| 21:49.26 | simonlnu | Richlv: if you're writing about the init system, don't bother. if you're writing about what to do, go ahead. otherwise i don't think it'll be very welcome. |
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| 21:50.22 | alteregoa | i need astickshifter for my job |
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| 21:53.41 | engla | sacredchao: yes it does |
| 21:53.47 | Richlv | simonlnu, oh, i'm not going to write in. just mentioning that havoc is spred over lots of distros and lots of people are seeing it in supposedly stable releases... |
| 21:54.06 | simonlnu | i've read on very long RH bug report |
| 21:54.09 | simonlnu | one* |
| 21:54.27 | simonlnu | chaos and destruction everywhere |
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| 21:55.19 | simonlnu | just a few days ago, i saw it trying to rename my ethernet devices even though i have a static config in presistent-net .... |
| 21:55.28 | simonlnu | pers* |
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| 22:02.54 | un214 | whatever happened to /dev/midi? |
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| 22:04.05 | abrotman | did you not loda a module that might create it? |
| 22:04.57 | un214 | probably |
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| 22:06.51 | un214 | ah yes snd-virmidi no longer autoloaded |
| 22:06.59 | ynniv | I'm trying to automate installation of an old ubuntu (7.10), and having difficulty with preseeding the correct package mirror (old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of secure.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com). |
| 22:07.13 | simonlnu | #ubuntu >>> |
| 22:07.46 | ynniv | Does anyone know why "d-i mirror/country string manual" and "choose-mirror-bin mirror/http/hostname string old-releases.ubuntu.com" wouldn't be used during the installation? |
| 22:08.00 | simonlnu | #ubuntu >>> |
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| 22:08.12 | ynniv | simonlnu: it isn't called ubuntuconf |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | ynniv: you're in the wrong channel, please use #ubuntu |
| 22:08.24 | simonlnu | ynniv: cry me a river |
| 22:08.28 | ynniv | is #debian not an appropriate place to ask about debconf? |
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| 22:08.51 | abrotman | ynniv: this channel is not for Ubuntu support, use #ubuntu |
| 22:09.32 | abrotman | ynniv: your software is provided by, and supported by, Ubuntu .. Have a good day |
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| 22:10.29 | pskosinski | wut |
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| 22:11.22 | un214 | hmm isn't dd if=somefile.mid of=/dev/midi supposed to actually work? |
| 22:11.25 | pskosinski | kinda strict rules ^^ |
| 22:11.49 | abrotman | pskosinski: this channel supports Debian, not things based on Debian .. |
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| 22:12.08 | abrotman | not everything using .deb and dpkg |
| 22:12.24 | un214 | pskosinski: there's a policy gulf between debian and ubuntu that's so deep now there's no point asking |
| 22:12.25 | frikinz | and debconf in ubuntu might be different that debconf in debian so its just a waste of time getting ubuntu help in here or helping ubuntu people.. |
| 22:12.37 | pskosinski | ok, ty |
| 22:12.56 | abrotman | un214: uh what? |
| 22:13.12 | abrotman | un214: that doesn't make sense .. but that's your style |
| 22:13.25 | un214 | abrotman: you know as well as I do that solutions to one no longer apply to the other |
| 22:13.30 | simonlnu | actually, made sense to me |
| 22:13.56 | simonlnu | applicable to both software and meta-data like packaging and social policy |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | un214: we don't know that, this isn't #ubuntu, end of discussion |
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| 22:15.18 | asturel | anyone can help me in grub2 config? |
| 22:15.27 | Daviey | Come for the support, stay for the abuse. |
| 22:15.41 | abrotman | asturel: ask your question |
| 22:15.47 | dvs | !lart Daviey |
| 22:15.47 | dpkg | puts Daviey into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Daviey's hair of |
| 22:15.53 | asturel | i want to change the default menuentry |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | to be what? |
| 22:16.06 | asturel | every menuentry conts as one and starts from 0? |
| 22:16.24 | abrotman | and? |
| 22:16.31 | Daviey | Can we first establish he is using purest of pure Debian? |
| 22:16.36 | wols_ | asturel: you change it in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub |
| 22:16.42 | asturel | ah ok |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | Daviey: why do you have to constantly be a problem? |
| 22:16.59 | wols_ | and yes it starts at 0 |
| 22:17.04 | asturel | but how do i determine which one i need? |
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| 22:17.23 | wols_ | counting :) but there is a nice way: you can make it ask and preselect the last one used |
| 22:17.43 | asturel | http://pastebin.com/5CEKUTwe |
| 22:17.51 | Daviey | abrotman: Good question.. I'm not sure that is established? Why do you constantly come across as being an idiot? |
| 22:17.58 | asturel | so if i change it to 3 it will ok? |
| 22:19.05 | un214 | do I have to put abrotman and Daviey face to face so we can take bets as to who punches face first? |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | Daviey: This channel supports Debian, not everything else. If this is a problem for you, please /part. Calling people names isn't going to get you very far either. |
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| 22:20.00 | wols_ | asturel: that would be the 32-5 Xen recovery mode... |
| 22:20.17 | asturel | ee i mean 4 |
| 22:20.25 | asturel | but i 'parsed' good file, right?:D |
| 22:20.30 | Daviey | abrotman: Your point has been noted and ignored. |
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| 22:20.58 | abrotman | Daviey: please feel free to do whatever you like somewhere else. |
| 22:21.25 | abrotman | Daviey: the channel policy is to support Debian, not things based on Debian. This has been a problem for you in the past, and apparently still is a problem. |
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| 22:22.06 | wols_ | asturel: sure. but I'd like the one where grub saves the last one used better personally. works better when (not if) you upgrade your kernel |
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| 22:22.30 | asturel | yeah |
| 22:22.34 | asturel | it added a new one.. |
| 22:22.36 | asturel | to the #3 |
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| 22:23.18 | asturel | btw is there a command which shows rc.d things? |
| 22:23.24 | asturel | which script runs at which level |
| 22:23.38 | asturel | like update-rc.d just show :D |
| 22:24.16 | wols_ | ls /etc/rc2.d/S* and you know what starts when? |
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| 22:28.12 | RagBal | My bash completion doesn't function correctly, it fills in filenames etc but when I try something like"aptitude <tab...tab> it doesn't show the arguments |
| 22:28.27 | RagBal | Any ideas? |
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| 22:29.04 | simonlnu | is it supposed to? |
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| 22:29.21 | RagBal | My other Debian machines do the trick |
| 22:29.24 | simonlnu | i don't use bash that much, just zsh |
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| 22:29.37 | simonlnu | *nods*. compare rc files |
| 22:29.52 | RagBal | Just this one machine doesn't, and it annoys the hell out of me |
| 22:30.39 | RagBal | What do you mean with compare rc files? |
| 22:31.11 | simonlnu | .bashrc .bash_profile installed packages, etc. |
| 22:31.24 | simonlnu | erm, insert needed commas |
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| 22:37.27 | card | Hey gang. |
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| 22:40.58 | card | Is LVM worth the trouble for most users? |
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| 22:44.48 | pskosinski | If you are making backup there is no trouble, imho ^^ but I'm newbie |
| 22:44.54 | asturel | $ fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup_i386_none_686-pae |
| 22:45.02 | asturel | how do i figure out which setup needs for amd64? |
| 22:45.55 | ompaul | card: no |
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| 22:47.55 | badjujoo | hi guys |
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| 22:55.54 | badjujoo | ah figured it out. love it when a plan comes together |
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| 22:56.05 | card | ompaul: Could you elaborate on that? |
| 22:56.44 | k1ng | ô5wü |
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| 22:57.44 | k1ng | ô5wü |
| 22:58.07 | dimir | Eh? |
| 22:58.28 | ompaul | card: no, it is a simple offered opinion. Your question was <card> Is LVM worth the trouble for most users? I answered it. |
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| 22:58.35 | k1ng | ô5wü |
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| 22:59.29 | abrotman | k1ng: English please |
| 22:59.37 | card | ompaul: Well, I thank you for the opinion, at least. |
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| 23:08.38 | frikinz | How is this 70-persistent-rules supposed to work? I thought it was for making sure that IF these MACS are found, given them proper names (eth0,wlan0). But now on a system with different MACS, it prevented my only eth from being called eth0 |
| 23:09.21 | abrotman | frikinz: it basically enumerates devices .. |
| 23:09.43 | abrotman | frikinz: every new eth device is given a name. The match is based on MAC |
| 23:09.43 | walex | frikinz: it is supposed to give unique names to each different device. So if you have two network cards in one machine, one will always come up as 'eth0' and the other as 'eth1'. |
| 23:09.47 | un214 | yeah I got bit by that behavior too |
| 23:09.47 | frikinz | strange. is it to keep eth0 free, in case that I then plug one of the MAC mentionned in 70-p-r, it is sure eth0 is free? |
| 23:09.56 | frikinz | walex: I know this |
| 23:10.08 | frikinz | abrotman: I know this too |
| 23:10.20 | un214 | do we finally need a sysprep like tool? |
| 23:10.28 | walex | frikinz: again, the goal of the rule is to give a unique name to each device, that is to ensure that two different devices don;t get the same name 'eth0'. |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | frikinz: so which part is confusing ? |
| 23:10.56 | walex | frikinz: it can be very irritating, but that is the reason behind that rule. |
| 23:11.00 | un214 | when you pull the HD out and drop it into another computer, it fails to assign the only device eth0 |
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| 23:11.15 | frikinz | in 70-p-r I have macX->eth0. the system has a diffeerent mac and was not given eth0, eventhough macX doesn't exist |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | frikinz: right, because eth0 is already assigned |
| 23:11.35 | walex | un214: again, it succeeds in ensuring that each device known to 'udev' has a distinct name. |
| 23:12.04 | walex | un214: the authors of the 'udev' scripts think that "eth0" is not a magical name. |
| 23:12.07 | un214 | I have 100% failure rate with this behavior being useful |
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| 23:12.22 | frikinz | abrotman: already assigned but to a nonexistant mac? |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | frikinz: correct |
| 23:12.38 | walex | un214: the reason is that in most configurations "eth0" is indeed a magical name |
| 23:12.39 | abrotman | frikinz: it doesn't know why that MAC is missing |
| 23:12.44 | frikinz | so a system with only one adapter can have it called eth1. disturbing |
| 23:12.53 | frikinz | unless hotplugging comes in |
| 23:13.07 | abrotman | frikinz: it's easy to rectify .. remove the contents of the file before moving the HDD |
| 23:13.18 | peterrooney | Something has gone seriously wrong with linux device naming in the past decade. |
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| 23:13.27 | frikinz | abrotman: yes yes, the PI got its eth0 name after rming it |
| 23:13.31 | walex | frikinz: in theory "eth0" is not a magical name, and a network interface can be called anything. |
| 23:13.36 | un214 | my /etc/fstab is populated with /dev/sd?? instead of device identifiers |
| 23:13.48 | frikinz | walex: yes I know.. but /e/n/i referenced eth0.. |
| 23:13.53 | un214 | because this behavior is almost always wrong |
| 23:14.53 | walex | peterrooney: perhaps, but more probably nobody gave a lot of thought to a sensible naming convention. Except during the design of 'devfs' the predecessor of 'udev', which was much simpler, but not useful to boostrap GKH's career. |
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| 23:15.25 | frikinz | probably because udev is asynchronous so when assigning eth0 its not sure after this, the mac referenced in 70-p-r will not pop in |
| 23:15.40 | walex | peterrooney: part of the problem is that Linux runs on a lot of architectures with weird bus trees and dynamic device locations. |
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| 23:16.14 | un214 | which doesn't mean the more sane architectures should suffer |
| 23:16.20 | walex | frikinz: no, the rationale is to ensure that whe there are multiple devices of the same type, each gets the same name every time, regardless of the order in which they are found. |
| 23:16.27 | frikinz | udev saved my butt when having 2 devices though so I'm fully happy. just in this case, I misunderstood some features of this 70-p-r |
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| 23:16.55 | walex | the rationale above does not apply to all situations... |
| 23:17.04 | card | Anyone split their / partition? I've been running one with 30GB for / and the rest for /home, but I find it gets a bit tight from time to time, particularly when I forget to clean out the cached packages. |
| 23:17.12 | frikinz | walex: AGREED! but there was only 1 adapter :) and the mentionned mac in 70-p-r was not present |
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| 23:17.30 | un214 | frikinz: it doesn't know that |
| 23:17.33 | frikinz | anyway. I'll get hit again by its features |
| 23:17.48 | frikinz | un214: why not? I see "renaming eth0 to eth1" |
| 23:17.49 | walex | card: it is largely pointless. Just make it larger and clean the cache in 'cron' for example. |
| 23:17.50 | un214 | the only rational way to do it is to enumerate all hardware, then start assigning identifiers |
| 23:18.04 | un214 | but udev starts each device as it is discovered |
| 23:18.17 | card | walex: Not entirely. In the unlikely event one of any paritions is corrupted, the others are recoverable. |
| 23:18.21 | frikinz | yes, a bit broken |
| 23:18.24 | un214 | so it doesn't yet know that the first card doesn't exist at all |
| 23:18.39 | card | It's a question of where it becomes more trouble. |
| 23:19.13 | un214 | I use 10gb for swap, 70gb for /, 600gb for /home and 400gb for /home/user/imagefiles |
| 23:19.36 | card | un214: Image files? |
| 23:19.45 | card | ...and good lord, 10GB for swap? |
| 23:19.46 | un214 | yeah really big files like hard disk images |
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| 23:20.00 | un214 | card: /tmp is in swap on my system |
| 23:20.27 | card | un214: Is it on a seperate disk? |
| 23:20.28 | un214 | I extract huge tarballs there and compile from time to time |
| 23:20.32 | un214 | card: no |
| 23:20.40 | un214 | swap and / share one disk |
| 23:20.46 | card | ...meh. |
| 23:20.57 | un214 | /home is another |
| 23:21.14 | card | I could see some wisdom to mounting swap and /tmp on a SSD perhaps. |
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| 23:21.50 | un214 | correct me if I'm wrong but I thought swap had to be as big as RAM for hibernate to work. I have 8gb RAM. |
| 23:22.38 | card | As big as whatever's in RAM, iirc. So it's an upperbound. |
| 23:23.13 | un214 | disk space is $100/TB right now |
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| 23:26.39 | ratcheer | un214: I recently bought a 2 TB SATA III for $100 |
| 23:26.48 | un214 | good job |
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| 23:28.21 | zafir | which stage of startup initrd give to the kernel the control of startup? |
| 23:28.57 | un214 | zafir: your question is broken. try again. |
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| 23:29.03 | chaospsychex | hahahaha |
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| 23:30.14 | chaospsychex | wow, that was funny.... |
| 23:30.28 | zafir | I wanna know when the kernel get the control of start up |
| 23:30.57 | un214 | the kernel gets control from the bootloader and after a few seconds passes it to initrd |
| 23:30.57 | chaospsychex | zafir: this is #debian, I would say try #google |
| 23:30.59 | zafir | after mount root file system |
| 23:31.15 | zafir | ? |
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| 23:31.33 | un214 | initrd never gives control back to the kernel |
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| 23:32.05 | zafir | so initrd mount by itself the /lib/modules for example? |
| 23:32.16 | un214 | yes |
| 23:32.33 | zafir | and how do it know the path ? |
| 23:32.48 | chaospsychex | it knows the path because it is the O-N-E |
| 23:32.58 | un214 | try unpacking the the initrd and reading /init |
| 23:33.04 | Shoya | "chorus sings, "THE ONEEEE" |
| 23:33.10 | Shoya | sorry, had to say it |
| 23:33.24 | zafir | you all maybe dont know also |
| 23:33.29 | zafir | and try kidding |
| 23:33.49 | zafir | i'm humble to say it |
| 23:34.02 | un214 | incidentally I don't have a /lib/modules as a device so i can't check directly |
| 23:34.17 | chaospsychex | and i'm humble to admit your discernment is correct ;-p |
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| 23:34.29 | zafir | I know |
| 23:34.37 | zafir | the problem here is that |
| 23:34.46 | zafir | 1256 ppl |
| 23:35.02 | zafir | if each one here were huble enough |
| 23:35.11 | zafir | we could be studying it now |
| 23:35.15 | chaospsychex | well atleast 12 different people aren't chatting at once while your seeking your help in #debian |
| 23:35.18 | zafir | instead of being silent |
| 23:35.26 | chaospsychex | as happens in some channels |
| 23:35.36 | chaospsychex | go to #ubuntu to see what i mean |
| 23:35.50 | zafir | cz we have fear to don't know the answer to the questions |
| 23:35.52 | un214 | trolling #ubuntu is too easy |
| 23:35.55 | chaospsychex | it's like a machine-gun barrage of shouts for help, hahaha |
| 23:35.57 | zafir | it's all ppl here think |
| 23:36.22 | un214 | trolling #debian and not getting banned, now that's hard |
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| 23:37.01 | zafir | so it's what I think |
| 23:37.05 | zafir | a lot of ppl |
| 23:37.10 | zafir | we could be studying |
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| 23:37.21 | zafir | however ppl wanna think know alot |
| 23:37.25 | chaospsychex | studying, at what point control is passed to the kernel ? |
| 23:37.37 | zafir | wanna be just users |
| 23:37.45 | zafir | and don't share knowledge |
| 23:38.12 | zafir | studying all my friend |
| 23:38.23 | zafir | could be sharing all here |
| 23:38.24 | chaospsychex | well, your question can very easily be solved with a simple google query |
| 23:38.32 | un214 | then drink from the firehose that is lkml |
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| 23:39.26 | zafir | give me the answer so |
| 23:39.56 | chaospsychex | what was your question again ? |
| 23:40.35 | zafir | how the path of /lib/modules is mounted by initrd |
| 23:40.50 | zafir | where is the line who says the path |
| 23:40.57 | un214 | I don't have a separate /lib/modules |
| 23:41.06 | un214 | you might try /etc/fstab and see if it's in there |
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| 23:41.51 | zafir | yes I know u don't |
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| 23:42.15 | zafir | but I need know where is the line who say to initrd the path |
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| 23:42.50 | un214 | how is it that on your system there is a separate /lib/modules that needs to be configured? |
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| 23:43.40 | zafir | un214 I'm trying disless nfs root... |
| 23:43.55 | un214 | ah |
| 23:44.02 | un214 | sorr can't help you then |
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| 23:44.33 | zafir | and I'm copying again the paths |
| 23:44.34 | Nahledg | how do i install flashplugin nonfree, it seems that its not in the repositories |
| 23:44.45 | chaospsychex | zafir: i would say that you need to read up on the linux boot process |
| 23:44.45 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Nahledg about non-free |
| 23:44.52 | un214 | except for /lib/modules contains a bunch of directories labelled version-arch so it probably doesn't need a separate filesystem to mount |
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| 23:45.24 | zafir | chaospsychex yes I know, but it's not a simple question to ask google |
| 23:45.50 | zafir | I need to find books about it |
| 23:46.02 | chaospsychex | zafir: in which case, google can help you do that |
| 23:46.14 | zafir | I know |
| 23:46.32 | chaospsychex | zafir: this behavior that you are attempting to describe is explained in documentation on the 'linux boot process' |
| 23:46.35 | zafir | I'm sure someone here know that also |
| 23:46.41 | zafir | all these questions |
| 23:46.49 | zafir | and I have no help |
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| 23:47.12 | zafir | just 5 minutes could avoid 1 month of reading |
| 23:47.29 | jagginess | zafir, look into pxe for diskless nfs |
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| 23:47.35 | chaospsychex | zafir: how does this relate specifically to #debian ? you are seeking information that is common on many gnu/linux systems regardless of distro. |
| 23:48.08 | jagginess | ( http://wiki.debian.org/PXE ) |
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| 23:49.19 | zafir | jagginess pxe stop at the point I can mount the root file system |
| 23:49.22 | jagginess | zafir, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment |
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| 23:49.55 | zafir | and there I have kernel panic |
| 23:50.03 | zafir | by lack of libraries |
| 23:50.12 | un214 | is the kernel panic "unable to mount root filesystem" |
| 23:50.38 | jagginess | zafir, that's your homework.. theres millions reasons why that can happen unfortunately |
| 23:50.56 | zafir | I thought the way could be indicated of /etc/fstab on the nfsroot file system |
| 23:51.10 | un214 | no that's far too late |
| 23:51.10 | zafir | but initrd don't cach the path from there |
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| 23:51.56 | zafir | jagginess no there isnot so much... |
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| 23:52.06 | zafir | it's lack of paths |
| 23:52.17 | mmnicolas | zafir: what are you trying to do ? |
| 23:52.26 | jagginess | well you seem to know.. why do you tell me what it is? go fix it then |
| 23:52.43 | zafir | no I don't know |
| 23:52.57 | jagginess | it's lack of rtfm.. that's the problem |
| 23:52.58 | zafir | but there is |
| 23:53.09 | zafir | could not be load /lib/modules |
| 23:53.12 | zafir | for example |
| 23:53.19 | zafir | so u also know that |
| 23:53.31 | jagginess | rtfm < do you know what this means? |
| 23:53.33 | un214 | maybe your network driver is not in the initrd image |
| 23:53.41 | jagginess | it means you guess. you should read |
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| 23:54.00 | zafir | mmnicolas trying to boot from nfs root |
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| 23:55.33 | eindoofus | hi, I'm using antiX on my VM and I'm having issues with configuring the gateway. My old AntiX VM works fine with the new settings, but the two fresh installs don't like the static configurations. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 23:55.38 | zafir | un214 it's after to mount de root file system |
| 23:55.51 | zafir | and eth0 need be working for that |
| 23:56.01 | un214 | try init=/bin/sh then |
| 23:56.14 | jagginess | uhh |
| 23:56.20 | eindoofus | I'm using the settings from the second box in http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Using_DHCP_to_automatically_configure_the_interface |
| 23:56.21 | jagginess | huhuhuh |
| 23:57.05 | zafir | the key is to knowledge about the paths |
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| 23:58.15 | un214 | the key is to read the manual and double check your work |
| 23:58.19 | eindoofus | does anyone have a suggestion for a lighweight distro that includes git and has better configuration utilities? |
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| 23:58.28 | eindoofus | i'm sick of antiX |
| 23:59.02 | eindoofus | I don't mind clicking on buttons. Me like GUIs. lol |
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| 23:59.21 | un214 | apt-get install git not good enough for you? |
| 23:59.35 | mmnicolas | zafir: no, the key is to find knowledge: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tldp+pxe+nfs+root |
