| 00:00.11 | uu | people said this at 2000 |
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| 00:00.37 | uu | so it's just meaningless |
| 00:00.40 | g0to | uu, as good software, dreaming is free ;) |
| 00:01.15 | yvesD | desktop is the only platform, where linux has not completely taken over the total market |
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| 00:01.34 | yvesD | *not yet |
| 00:01.45 | Pizza90 | hi all, does anyone know when wheezy will be released?i saw it's in beta 3. |
| 00:02.06 | uu | arm has taken down all x86 fortress except the desktop market |
| 00:02.11 | g0to | Valve's moves to introduce themselves in the GNU/Linux world full my heart of hope |
| 00:02.42 | uu | arm is the future, but i don't want to use android for desktop |
| 00:02.58 | Armand | throws a Pi at uu |
| 00:03.05 | yvesD | afaik arm is a platform, not an OS? |
| 00:03.20 | Pizza90 | g0to: i would change that "GNU/Linux" with "ubuntu".. |
| 00:03.44 | Armand | .o/ |
| 00:03.55 | wols_ | Pizza90: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:04.18 | g0to | Pizza90, they have chosen the biggest door available now. Let's see when they are inside |
| 00:04.23 | Pizza90 | wols_: thanks! |
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| 00:04.51 | Pizza90 | they have chosen ubuntu because it's the most commercial platform where not many people care about gpl stuff |
| 00:04.52 | wols_ | yvesD: ARM Ltd is a designer of CPUs |
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| 00:05.29 | Pizza90 | wols_: do you think beta3 is stable enough to be used? |
| 00:05.46 | wols_ | Pizza90: I'm running sid for the last few years. don't ask me.... |
| 00:06.01 | Pizza90 | wols_: oh loL :D |
| 00:06.03 | uu | i may switch to linaro someday |
| 00:06.18 | uu | 2014 or 2015 |
| 00:06.21 | wols_ | Pizza90: it will probably be ok. imho, it's probably better than current ubuntu |
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| 00:06.45 | wols_ | I wouldn't use it for business or running a business server on it |
| 00:07.02 | Pizza90 | wols_: how much long is the support for every debian release? i dont want to reinstall everything every year |
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| 00:07.08 | uu | arm = 64-bit + 28nm @ 2014 |
| 00:07.10 | Pizza90 | i would use as normal desktop |
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| 00:07.37 | wols_ | uu: huh? we already have 28nm for almost a year |
| 00:07.45 | uu | oh |
| 00:07.56 | jimcooncat | where's a plain wheezy install I can put in virtualbox (squeeze host)? |
| 00:07.58 | wols_ | and MP15 has 64bit support no? which means we have that too now |
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| 00:08.30 | jimcooncat | excuse me, I meant a wheezy virtualbox appliance. |
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| 00:09.15 | Pizza90 | jimcooncat: i downloaded the beta 3 from the debian website and i installed it correctly on virtualbox |
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| 00:09.29 | wols_ | I don't think such a thing exists. why don't you create your own. takes half an hour tops probably |
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| 00:10.16 | jimcooncat | Pizza90: beta 3 what, please? |
| 00:10.41 | Pizza90 | jimcooncat: it's the latest iso of wheezy |
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| 00:12.57 | jimcooncat | do I get the small or large image to get xfce by default? I want to run supertuxkart |
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| 00:14.53 | yvesD | *googles supertuxcart |
| 00:15.04 | jimcooncat | I think I'm in the wrong place to download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 00:15.31 | jimcooncat | yvesD: me and my grandson love it |
| 00:16.36 | uu | omg, you are so old |
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| 00:18.32 | yvesD | *installs supertuxcart |
| 00:18.38 | yvesD | xD |
| 00:18.57 | abrotman | jimcooncat: do you want wheezy or squeeze? |
| 00:19.05 | jimcooncat | uu, I was compiling in '86. On a 286 with no screen, had to hit Ctl-P to send the output to the printer. |
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| 00:19.22 | jimcooncat | abrotman: I'm on squeeze, want to install wheezy in a virtualbox |
| 00:19.35 | abrotman | from the ISO? debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:20.35 | jimcooncat | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso? |
| 00:21.24 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:25.42 | uu | jimcooncat, 286 can't run linux... |
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| 00:26.52 | abrotman | !elks |
| 00:26.52 | dpkg | i heard elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
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| 00:58.44 | Brklyn | hey guys, anybody know of any repo where I can find the likes of thrift or libgtest0 for wheezy (testing)? |
| 00:59.15 | abrotman | the main repo ? |
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| 01:00.12 | Brklyn | abrotman: they're not in the main repo |
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| 01:00.17 | Brklyn | neither of the two |
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| 01:02.58 | abrotman | Brklyn: i'd probably ask the authors then, or create my own package |
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| 01:15.16 | Brklyn | I'll see what I do.... thanks |
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| 01:23.20 | mattwj2002 | hi guys |
| 01:23.20 | mattwj2002 | :D |
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| 01:24.23 | mattwj2002 | hey guys how is everyone this evening |
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| 01:24.55 | mattwj2002 | do you guys help with raspbmc? |
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| 01:26.25 | sney | mattwj2002: no, this is #debian. try in #rasbian or find the actual irc channel for that project |
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| 01:38.01 | nmschulte | Has anyone had any success running Steam for Linux on the amd64 port? |
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| 02:01.54 | mmnicolas | Anyone had success using Dual-link DVI with the nouveau driver ? Everything seems fine from xrandr, I can move windows on the other screen but the other monitor get no signal |
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| 02:02.59 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: what is the output from xrandr? |
| 02:04.59 | mmnicolas | http://paste.debian.net/210882/ |
| 02:05.13 | Walhter | so what is the verdict, what address is a faster repo? http.debian.net or cdn.debian.net |
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| 02:05.38 | dvs | Walhter: http.debian.net |
| 02:05.45 | sney | Walhter: trick question, neither address is an actual repo. those are just redirects |
| 02:06.04 | dvs | sney: but I've heard cdn.debian.net shouldn't be used. |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | that's what hte author of http.d.n says :) |
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| 02:06.53 | dvs | ah |
| 02:07.51 | Walhter | i was getting mixed results with cdn.d.n. |
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| 02:12.23 | mmnicolas | dondelelcaro: everything looks fine right ? |
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| 02:16.05 | ratcheer | walhter: I cannot get http.debian.net to work at all. It just slows down and stops. cdn is fine and it's what I always use. |
| 02:17.20 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: that looks sort of responable. What happens when you run xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --auto; ? |
| 02:17.27 | dondelelcaro | s/responable/resonable/ |
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| 02:22.19 | mmnicolas | gives the exact same output |
| 02:22.27 | mmnicolas | from xrandr |
| 02:22.43 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: but the display is still off, I'm assuming |
| 02:22.54 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 02:23.15 | mmnicolas | the hardware is known to work well in this setup with Squeeze and the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 02:23.28 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok. |
| 02:23.54 | mmnicolas | but according the to feature matrix of nouveau, it should work with nouveau too, but I guess not with my card |
| 02:24.23 | sary | i also got some mismash from http.debian.net , and tried to use ftp instead of http .. but that leads to http.debian.net Unreashable . |
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| 02:25.26 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: right, xrandr should work (I'm actually using it now), but it's possible that something is wrong for that card |
| 02:25.38 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: does xrandr --prop; display anything interesting? |
| 02:26.49 | mmnicolas | they mention something about Dual-link DVI, "works well long as the VideoBIOS provides enough bandwidth (with is usually the case)" |
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| 02:27.50 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: which card is this? |
| 02:28.01 | mmnicolas | --prop is showing the right EDID, all seems normal |
| 02:28.14 | mmnicolas | a 8400GS from PNY |
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| 02:28.41 | Chelsea | Hi all, "ln -fsvi Testdir/.dirname/ ~/" does not overwrite the existing directory in ~/ . Can anybody explain why? (Careful with testing this command offcourse) |
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| 02:30.44 | mmnicolas | 196e:05cd a low-end G98/NV50 |
| 02:30.48 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: you want to overwrite a directory with a link? why not just remove the directory first? |
| 02:31.40 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: hrm; strange. |
| 02:32.00 | Chelsea | zykotick9, I could, but it's part of a script. Is it not possible to force the link over the existing dir? |
| 02:32.15 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: i doubt it... but maybe? |
| 02:32.21 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: which version of Debian is this? It's possible that a newer version of nouveau would help |
| 02:32.46 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: I'm actually running a G84, and don't have this problem. |
| 02:33.01 | mmnicolas | freshly installed Wheezy |
| 02:33.07 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: hrm. ok |
| 02:33.25 | Chelsea | zykotick9, I tried the "-f" for force, but it's saying I havent got right permissions, altough dirs and files are created by this user. |
| 02:33.37 | Chelsea | Wondering if im doing something wrong. |
| 02:34.25 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: personally, i'd say trying to overwrite a directory with a link is flawed |
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| 02:36.01 | GTRsdk2 | Is anyone able to use lightspark in Iceweasel? |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | isn't that the idea? |
| 02:36.50 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: actually, i just tested my creating a directory then creating a link with the same name - and it worked fine. |
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| 02:38.18 | mmnicolas | dondelelcaro: isn't there something weird with Xorg: http://paste.debian.net/210883/ near line 724, where I was switching modes |
| 02:38.32 | Chelsea | zykotick9, did you make it the same way i did? |
| 02:38.47 | zykotick9 | Chelsea: no i just use "ln -s ..." |
| 02:38.53 | theslow1 | using wheezy I don't have 3d acceleration. AMD HD5670 |
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| 02:39.30 | dondelelcaro | mmnicolas: that's all the first head; doesn't look particularly odd to me |
| 02:39.35 | GTRsdk2 | FOr some reason I can't get iceweasel to play flash content using Lightspark :-/ |
| 02:39.45 | theslow1 | lsmod | grep radeon (returns nothing) |
| 02:41.14 | mmnicolas | I'll go try some things in a xorg.conf.d file |
| 02:41.26 | Chelsea | zykotick9, Hmm.... the plot thickens. thanks for testing! |
| 02:46.00 | sary | does anyone remember the syntax to use wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 , to track donw this error: : W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 02:48.55 | theslow1 | hey everyone, I have proper 3d acceleration but only after manually typing "modprobe radeon" |
| 02:49.05 | theslow1 | how do I automate this? |
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| 02:51.17 | nsadmin | so you just want to load the module? it's very clear to me how you might do this in a dist-independent situation... you'd just put radeon in /etc/modules, you can also check out /etc/modprobe.d |
| 02:52.04 | nsadmin | debian has the tendency to change things periodically due to what one dev thinks versus another... and, start with those two suggestions and see what happens |
| 02:52.06 | theslow1 | thanks... i attempted to install the proprietary drivers and that failed |
| 02:52.13 | nsadmin | back up any file you alter!! |
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| 02:52.34 | theslow1 | will do |
| 02:52.37 | nsadmin | oh, radeon... |
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| 02:52.49 | theslow1 | yea |
| 02:53.03 | nsadmin | you can also ask for info on #ati if you want to try the proprietary drivers again |
| 02:53.18 | theslow1 | ic what happend |
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| 02:53.47 | theslow1 | /etc/modprobe.d/ had radeon blacklisted |
| 02:53.54 | nsadmin | some folks there do run debian and may be able to help with more of your situation than you might expect |
| 02:54.03 | theslow1 | nsadmin: thanks for the hint |
| 02:54.10 | nsadmin | right, which you should do if you try proprietary |
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| 02:54.44 | nsadmin | you may wish to uninstall all/as much of the proprietary driver/libs as you can |
| 02:55.00 | theslow1 | nsadmin: already done I think... |
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| 03:01.08 | nsadmin | theslow1 so I'd be curious if you got it workign |
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| 03:02.58 | shadedpixel | How do i stop lighttpd from starting at boot? |
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| 03:04.05 | GTRsdk2 | shadedpixel, use rcconf and disable it |
| 03:04.24 | nsadmin | or you could uninstall it |
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| 03:04.42 | shadedpixel | nsadmin: I need it, i just dont want it to start at boot |
| 03:04.43 | GTRsdk2 | though he's just asking about stopping it from starting at boot |
| 03:05.07 | shadedpixel | rcconf is returning command not found |
| 03:05.34 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 03:05.39 | GTRsdk2 | apt-get install rcconf |
| 03:05.49 | nsadmin | , file bin/rcconf |
| 03:05.57 | judd | Search for bin/rcconf in squeeze/i386: rcconf: usr/sbin/rcconf |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | shadedpixel: update-rc.d is already installed, you can use that |
| 03:06.13 | vacuous | shadedpixel, first link in google |
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| 03:06.31 | nsadmin | looks like it did not survive into wheezy or sid... use caution, you might learn another way |
| 03:06.41 | shadedpixel | Its working now :P |
| 03:06.51 | vacuous | stop lighttpd starting at boot |
| 03:06.54 | shadedpixel | I typed it wrong trying to install it before |
| 03:06.54 | vacuous | type that into google |
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| 03:07.38 | nsadmin | might want to add "in debian squeeze" |
| 03:07.56 | nsadmin | otherwise you won't get a specific enough result |
| 03:08.57 | vacuous | better to do it my way |
| 03:09.26 | nsadmin | interesing you put it that way :) |
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| 03:09.46 | shadedpixel | rcconf worked, its not starting anymore :) |
| 03:10.02 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 03:10.04 | vacuous | well I'm not going to waste my time arguing with idiots. It's better to understand why the command does what it does |
| 03:10.12 | shadedpixel | thank you, ive used LAMP but im new to lighttpd |
| 03:10.13 | vacuous | then whatever distro becomes somewhat irrelevant if you know what's going on |
| 03:10.15 | vacuous | anyways |
| 03:10.15 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 03:10.21 | vacuous | too much stupid |
| 03:10.22 | vacuous | peace |
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| 03:10.31 | shadedpixel | lol, u mad? |
| 03:10.39 | nsadmin | nope |
| 03:10.43 | nsadmin | :) |
| 03:10.54 | shadedpixel | Thanks anyway, bye :) |
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| 03:12.05 | nsadmin | "do it my way" sounds ego-driven, but then he clarified by saying it's just better to understand at least one level deeper, and that's always a good idea |
| 03:13.00 | dvs | nsadmin: no, it's better to understand my way! |
| 03:13.21 | nsadmin | NO! all the ways here are MINE! |
| 03:13.38 | dvs | heh |
| 03:13.50 | nsadmin | (-Lewis Caroll in Alice in Wonderland) |
| 03:13.54 | GTRsdk2 | My way pwns all :D |
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| 05:02.10 | bt6 | Does it make a difference if I use squeeze or stable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 05:04.26 | mmnicolas | not until it moves |
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| 05:08.56 | nsadmin | if you choose "squeeze", you'll follow squeeze ultimately until it's removed from the mirrors |
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| 05:10.12 | nsadmin | if you choose "stable", you'll upgrade to (atm) wheezy when it becomes stable; this may or may not surprise you as you'll suddenly have a different release, could be without warning |
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| 05:10.33 | sary | what's the down side of useing " http.debian.net , or http://cdn.debian.net " as a mirror! |
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| 05:11.20 | nsadmin | close/far from you? therefore faster/slower as compared to some other mirror? |
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| 05:12.31 | sary | Hi nsadmin :) |
| 05:12.35 | nsadmin | hi |
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| 05:12.55 | sary | compared to a country code mirrors . |
| 05:13.21 | nsadmin | maybe the country code mirrors are located in your country |
| 05:13.22 | sary | or as they're called statics . |
| 05:13.38 | nsadmin | so, closer and could also be faster |
| 05:14.31 | sary | well , the thing is there is no country mirrors in my country areas. |
| 05:15.42 | nsadmin | oh, what's the next closest one? |
| 05:16.06 | bt6 | nsadmin: So would this preference file work with my sources? http://pastebin.com/LdQmU3yY |
| 05:16.40 | nsadmin | not sure... I'll look, and I'm weak on apt prefs |
| 05:17.08 | sary | the thing is , during installation, i've set the mirror to some country , but in my sources.list it's shows as " http.debian.net " which takes me to next point .. as this is my 2nd installation attepmt , i got an error error : W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 05:18.25 | sary | that was on my first attepmt to sudo apt-get update . so themill suggest to run : wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location |
| 05:18.59 | sary | that lead to debian.co.il mirror |
| 05:19.30 | nsadmin | which release do you want? (how close do you think debian.co.il is to you?) |
| 05:19.38 | sary | so then themill asked , do you know the administrators of the debian.co.il mirror by any chance? They're using an out-of-date version of the ftpsync mirroring software which causes this problem |
| 05:20.07 | nsadmin | ohh, then you might not want to use that mirror |
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| 05:20.28 | sary | nsadmin: I don't even have that debian.co.il mirror set on my sources.list. |
| 05:20.34 | nsadmin | so nevermind my question about distance to that mirror... |
| 05:20.48 | nsadmin | that's probably a good thing :) |
| 05:21.27 | nsadmin | so, the next question is, which release (and therefore what level of stability) do you want? |
| 05:21.32 | sary | i was just like to know , where/how and why that mirror is been used . |
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| 05:21.49 | sary | Wheezy , |
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| 05:22.03 | nsadmin | ok, you want wheezy... |
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| 05:22.27 | nsadmin | not sure about use of that mirror... do you have a debian now? or do you want to install new? |
| 05:22.50 | sary | I sure am running wheezy |
| 05:23.00 | nsadmin | you're running wheezy now? |
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| 05:23.16 | nsadmin | ok, and you also want to keep using wheezy? |
| 05:23.50 | rleary | i am getting an error with installation of some software : install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1': No such file or directory |
| 05:23.56 | sary | I know about apt-spy .. but i wanted to know from now on .. which type of mirror i should be using to avoid conflicts and errors. |
| 05:24.01 | nsadmin | and, would you like (say) a new wheezy on a different machine? or, would you like to make sure your current wheezy is up to date? |
| 05:24.03 | rleary | i have perl installed but don't have above file or directory |
| 05:24.18 | sary | nsadmin: sure i'll keep on wheezy. |
| 05:24.37 | nsadmin | sary, I'd say you should use a mirror on the mirror list to avoid problems |
| 05:24.53 | sary | nsadmin: an up to date wheezy . |
| 05:25.04 | nsadmin | are you booted into your current wheezy now? |
| 05:26.10 | sary | nsadmin: right , but which type " http://cdn.debian.net , http.debian.net , or (say) a ftp.<country>.debian.org. ? |
| 05:26.12 | nsadmin | so: you want the one installation of wheezy you have now to be more up to date. Yes? |
| 05:26.17 | rleary | how stable is wheezy ? and when will it release ? |
| 05:26.28 | nsadmin | I think the last one |
| 05:26.34 | sary | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 05:26.52 | nsadmin | ok, great :) thanks for clarifying what you want |
| 05:27.45 | sary | nsadmin: Okay. so a <country>.debian.org is better than the others . gotchya. |
| 05:27.53 | sary | thanks buddy :) |
| 05:27.58 | nsadmin | rleary, I don't run wheezy too much at the moment... but I'd say it's pretty good |
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| 05:28.11 | sary | sid! |
| 05:28.17 | rleary | how stable is wheezy ? and when will it release ? |
| 05:28.24 | nsadmin | rleary, I don't run wheezy too much at the moment... but I'd say it's pretty good |
| 05:28.30 | rleary | nsadmin: ok |
| 05:28.43 | rleary | when will it release ? |
| 05:29.03 | rleary | on their page i see it is already in testing |
| 05:29.09 | nsadmin | when it will release? that's usually unspecified because they don't want pressure when making sure things are right before release |
| 05:29.33 | nsadmin | yes, wheezy is testing. and, wheezy is presently frozen |
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| 05:30.23 | nsadmin | sary, which country are you located in? or, which country is pretty close to you? |
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| 05:30.56 | sary | nsadmin: im currently in Saudi Arabia .. |
| 05:31.12 | nsadmin | oh ok... what's close to you? israel? |
| 05:31.29 | sary | I've been told ftp protocol is better, faster .. correct! |
| 05:32.15 | nsadmin | well lots of times the mirrors with ftp in their -name- actually has both ftp and http servers with the mirror content on them |
| 05:32.21 | sary | well is close , but am not sure what else might be closer . |
| 05:32.46 | nsadmin | I wonder if ftp.il.debian.org exists |
| 05:33.20 | nsadmin | no |
| 05:33.25 | sary | you mean like " http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ " as in both ! |
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| 05:34.03 | sary | Well , i real can't recall which country were list there on the installer. that might be closer to me. |
| 05:34.30 | nsadmin | not exactly... I mean that the machine can be accessed as ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org OR http://ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 05:34.48 | nsadmin | that one I'm pretty sure does exist |
| 05:35.14 | nsadmin | it's alive!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:35.14 | sary | gotchya. |
| 05:35.29 | sary | Yeah , http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ does exist .. |
| 05:35.31 | nsadmin | so you want... |
| 05:35.57 | nsadmin | deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 05:36.20 | nsadmin | let's start with just that, all others commented out |
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| 05:36.43 | sary | Yep, thanks .. that's exactly what i have . |
| 05:36.57 | nsadmin | ok, try aptitude update |
| 05:37.46 | sary | Going,Going ... not yet! |
| 05:37.50 | sary | Gone. |
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| 05:37.59 | sary | perfect! :) |
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| 05:38.21 | nsadmin | ok, you can now try aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 05:41.26 | sary | nsadmin: thanks a bunch for clarification .. that was so informative. |
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| 05:43.14 | nsadmin | you're very welcome :) well let's hope this goes well... wheezy upgrades can change things... otoh, it is frozen so the only packages that get in are chosen by people instead of just being a sink for packages that drop from sid |
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| 05:44.40 | nsadmin | so, knock on wood, it should be all ok... still, things will likely change in a few places, and you may have to get used to how it becomes after the upgrade is done |
| 05:46.10 | nsadmin | sary, you may be interested in reading the debian install guide... perhaps if you want to help others get going |
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| 05:48.21 | sary | nsadmin: sure thing .. i happen love to read a lot . |
| 05:49.44 | nsadmin | great :) included in that manual will be what we just did (which is upgrade older wheezy to latest wheezy) |
| 05:50.41 | nsadmin | it shows all the different ways of installing debian |
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| 05:52.09 | nsadmin | I could pile stuff onto your reading list... and, I'd first be curious about what you want to do |
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| 05:54.51 | nsadmin | and more specifically about how you want to use your debian installation |
| 05:54.52 | rleary | how do i quit a channel ? |
| 05:55.05 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.06 | sary | rleary: /part |
| 05:55.25 | rleary | thanks |
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| 05:57.02 | sary | nsadmin: I a minimalistic system is my teast .. and i prefer CLI based softwares over GUI ones. |
| 05:57.17 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 06:01.43 | nsadmin | sary, I take it the upgrade is proceeding? |
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| 06:04.45 | GTRsdk2 | is on Wheezy... just launched apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:05.05 | sary | like , just the other day .. i found about some good replacment for GUI IM Clients I can't recall it's correct name " betilee "! the other one is " CenterIM - multi-protocol IM client" and a CLI Music player herrie , and moc .. a Download manager " plowdown " " scrot " (SCReenshOT) , " feh " image viewer . |
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| 06:05.14 | sary | nsadmin: correct. |
| 06:06.04 | crd | sary: the IM client you're thinking of is `bitlbee' |
| 06:06.05 | nsadmin | how long since you started to use wheezy? linux in general? |
| 06:06.20 | sary | and am thinking of using i3 aa the window manager . |
| 06:06.42 | sary | crd: hi there :) .. nice catch , yep that's the one . |
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| 06:07.30 | sary | nsadmin: more than a year , and GNU/linux .. i would say since late 2008 . |
| 06:07.58 | nsadmin | sounds like you're presently pretty comfortable |
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| 06:09.03 | sary | to late , i know but better than never .. I mean, i've heard about GNU/Linux back in 98 but hadn't jave much time to give it a go and play with it due to school and life back then. |
| 06:09.37 | sary | nsadmin: Indeed i am , pretty much in love with it. |
| 06:12.21 | sary | my new mac will arrive today, from the US .. what you think the first thing i'll fly on it ! :S |
| 06:12.32 | nsadmin | coffee? |
| 06:12.57 | lusers | Regrets? |
| 06:12.59 | sary | hands nsadmin a coffe cake ;) |
| 06:13.10 | nsadmin | flying coffee on a mac... sounds like a screebsaver |
| 06:13.26 | sary | Debian of ocurse :D |
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| 06:14.43 | sary | has anyone run Debian/HURD .. |
| 06:15.30 | nsadmin | so it seems you have things well in hand, to the point you're able to take what you want with debian to a number of solutions.... so, rather than adding anything to your reading list, I'll just acknowledge that and say good luck... have fun with your system |
| 06:15.42 | crd | sary: i'm sure somebody with lots of time to kill has, yeah |
| 06:16.21 | GTRsdk2 | sary, Have you tried Gentoo? |
| 06:16.32 | continuohm | you bought a mac....to run debian? |
| 06:16.38 | sary | crd: sure :S |
| 06:16.58 | crd | why wouldn't you continuohm? good hardware, better software! |
| 06:16.58 | sary | GTRsdk2: no , never .. not even Arch . |
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| 06:17.34 | sary | continuohm: I prefer a good product , even if it's not Cheap! |
| 06:17.38 | GTRsdk2 | crd, have you ever looked at the price of hardware? |
| 06:17.38 | continuohm | because they are overly expensive vs building a system on. it seems foolish. |
| 06:17.45 | sary | as crd said :) |
| 06:18.28 | crd | GTRsdk2: sure, asus have better build quality for less money |
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| 06:18.57 | nsadmin | sometimes building a system can be more expensive, especially if you pick the more expensive choices |
| 06:18.58 | crd | continuohm: you're telling me that... building a laptop from parts is the way to go? |
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| 06:19.27 | crd | sure, building a desktop, but in the context given, building a system is just silly |
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| 06:19.50 | sary | not to me , I can tell you how many laptops i've bought durng the last 10 years .. none last more than 3.5 4 years . now that a waste of $$$ ! |
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| 06:20.17 | sary | Plus , they are all CRAPS! in and out . |
| 06:20.19 | GTRsdk2 | screens break too easily in my experience with netbooks :-/ |
| 06:20.20 | continuohm | ok, you have whatever fantasy you want. I tire of peoples stupid bs. |
| 06:20.29 | wols | sary: did you buy consumer laptops or business ones? |
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| 06:21.28 | GTRsdk2 | continuohm, we should be friends :-) |
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| 06:21.47 | crd | not a good idea GTRsdk2, you'll just annoy each other |
| 06:22.39 | GTRsdk2 | no, that would be what would happen if you and I would be friends, crd :P |
| 06:22.52 | sary | wols , hi there ;) .. both . |
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| 06:23.45 | wols | sary: and which business one? |
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| 06:24.50 | sary | wols, Dell , Aser , Lenovo thinkpad .. um |
| 06:25.10 | sary | Yeah those to exact. |
| 06:25.41 | wols | "Dell" is not a laptop but a company |
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| 06:26.37 | wols | similar for the others. I'm just curious which exact business notebook only lasted 5 years unless you broke it yourself by being excessively hard on it |
| 06:26.49 | wols | heck, I don't know any business device by Acer |
| 06:27.47 | crd | the TravelMate line? |
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| 06:30.08 | sary | well then , i was Dell inspiron 1520 o be Exact. |
| 06:30.51 | sary | Oh yeah , and the first one that died on me was a Toshiba satellite. |
| 06:33.26 | sary | well , ThinkPad T40 was the first of the business ones that died . |
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| 06:34.43 | sary | Never broke one myself , well you have to define " being excessively " ! |
| 06:35.06 | sary | My old Macbook sill the one and only standing . |
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| 06:35.22 | lusers | HULK SMASH LAPTOPS |
| 06:35.40 | sary | now , if anything .. what would that say , or mean to you wols :S |
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| 06:36.13 | sary | I am just sharing my experinaces . that's all . |
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| 06:37.58 | sary | lusers: you could HULK SMASH your laptop due to a buggy lil software :D |
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| 06:38.45 | lusers | It wasn't linux's fault? Just Windows? :) |
| 06:39.55 | sary | nsadmin: excuse .. i forgot to replay .. thanks , i learn from the best! :S |
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| 06:41.58 | sary | lusers: could be both , in MS windows or linux .. just stating that a software could be a reason to HULK SMASH your laptop . |
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| 06:42.55 | nsadmin | sary, you're welcome, and you DO learn from the best! |
| 06:43.12 | nsadmin | AND |
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| 06:43.44 | sary | take for one , and the first would be a high cpu usage .. now who o be blame here! |
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| 06:44.17 | sary | nsadmin: the best being you guys ;D |
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| 06:46.26 | sary | lusers: i could blame it on my machine lacking RAMs at first , but the machine has a 4 GB of healthy RAMs .. :S |
| 06:47.05 | nsadmin | there are a LOT of people here that you can learn from, no matter what level they are... many have more experience than I, some less, and in any case, what you can learn from anyone is limited or enhanced by how much responsability you place when you're communicating.. if you take full, 100% responsibility for BOTH sides, communication is at its max in terms of ideas per statement |
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| 06:49.37 | sary | :) |
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| 06:51.20 | wols | there are still lots of T40 happily chugging along. an inspiron is no business notebook. neither is a satellite. and acer pretends to make business notebooks but doesn't :P |
| 06:51.37 | WilliamEDIS | Acer makes crap from Taiwan |
| 06:51.40 | WilliamEDIS | wouldn't buy |
| 06:51.46 | Inst | lol |
| 06:51.50 | Inst | that's a nonsense sentiment |
| 06:52.07 | WilliamEDIS | that depends on your political views ;) |
| 06:52.16 | Inst | most of your CPUs are produced in malaysia or some other shithole, graphics cards are fabbed in taiwan via TSMC |
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| 06:52.29 | Inst | the machines tend to be assembled in China |
| 06:52.37 | Inst | motherboards are usually either built in Taiwan or China |
| 06:52.38 | WilliamEDIS | i'm more behind that it says made in Taiwan |
| 06:52.44 | WilliamEDIS | and is still made and assembled in the PRC |
| 06:52.48 | nsadmin | which are expressable on a channel around the corner, to the right, up the stairs, basically better if not here ;) |
| 06:52.49 | Inst | RAM is built in South Korea, Taiwan, or Japan iirc |
| 06:52.57 | WilliamEDIS | RAM is Japan mostly |
| 06:52.58 | Inst | sorry |
| 06:52.59 | Inst | ;_; |
| 06:53.05 | WilliamEDIS | unless its small chips sub 512Mb |
| 06:53.14 | Inst | Samsung is afaik on the cutting edge |
| 06:53.29 | WilliamEDIS | yea but Samsung chips are pretty expensive, so they produce externally |
| 06:53.39 | WilliamEDIS | Kingston also iirc |
| 06:54.03 | WilliamEDIS | rthere is just one or 2 companies with own fabs |
| 06:54.10 | WilliamEDIS | anyone else buys from them |
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| 06:54.59 | Inst | Hynix is South Korean, so is Samsung |
| 06:55.05 | sary | I hope i didn't sart a flam war , I was only exuding positive energy! :S |
| 06:55.19 | nsadmin | a flegm war?! |
| 06:55.29 | WilliamEDIS | mmm flamed beef |
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| 06:55.34 | wols | US makes RAM too. and there are around half a dozen memory makers. kingston is not one of them |
| 06:55.34 | WilliamEDIS | but its only 8 |
| 06:55.35 | WilliamEDIS | :( |
| 06:55.44 | sary | nsadmin: off to Off-topic you meant :D |
| 06:55.52 | Inst | I don't understand why they'd produce in Japan over South Korea given that the cost of living in Japan is significantly higher in Japan than South Korea |
| 06:55.58 | Inst | and the Yen is overvalued right now |
| 06:56.02 | nsadmin | or on to off-topic! |
| 06:56.13 | nsadmin | or, ##hardware |
| 06:56.32 | sary | Yeah , could be anywhere .. but not here! lol |
| 06:56.35 | Inst | sorry |
| 06:56.44 | Inst | WilliamEDIS: want to take it elsewhere? |
| 06:57.08 | WilliamEDIS | nah |
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| 06:59.12 | Sean-Der | Can anyone recommend a SASL alternative for SMTP auth? I am getting 'no mechanisms available' and I am just getting sick of fighting with it |
| 06:59.54 | sary | no really! this is interesting in and knowledge .. am off to #debian-OFFtopic. |
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| 07:00.31 | wols | there is no sasl alternative. maybe start with what you are trying to do and how you configured it. sasl is evil but no more evil than any other part of mail handling :) |
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| 07:02.20 | Sean-Der | I have been using saslauthd and getting 'no mechanisms available', it seems to be an issue with Postfix/chroots. I really haven't been reading as closely as I should. I should probably just use dovecot? I am gonna use it for IMAP anyway |
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| 07:02.55 | jagginess | Sean-Der, smtp is not imap |
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| 07:03.27 | Sean-Der | jagginess: I know its not. Dovecot provides POP3, IMAP and SMTP auth |
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| 07:04.00 | jagginess | Sean-Der, exim is the default mta |
| 07:04.05 | jagginess | (on debian) |
| 07:04.40 | wols | Sean-Der: no, you cannot substitute postfix with dovecot. and smtp-auth is postfix only |
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| 07:05.59 | sary | thanks for reminding me to setup my own MTA on my server! |
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| 07:13.08 | sary | Sean-Der: a good read www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html |
| 07:15.02 | sary | I would look for the error line in syslog , or /var/log wherever the mail lo is. |
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| 07:16.36 | sary | and a worth looking in your config file /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
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| 07:25.55 | Sean-Der | sary: I ended up just using exim, and it just worked out of the box. So thats good! courier is set to Maildir instead of mbox by default though |
| 07:26.02 | Sean-Der | So after that is fixed I am golden] |
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| 07:26.31 | Sean-Der | After that I need to find a relay with a static IP. Then I am good to go! I should really just shell out for a VPS |
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| 07:30.25 | nsadmin | procmail used as a MDA can deliver into maildir |
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| 07:37.19 | sary | Sean-Der: Great , that should be also good news for me . |
| 07:38.44 | Sean-Der | sary: its really easy. Only issue is since I am just using a residential IP my emails are getting dropped |
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| 07:41.46 | sary | Sean-Der: Good to know .. right, so (say) if you wanna get e-mails from the outside world you need a static IP . |
| 07:42.08 | sary | right! |
| 07:43.44 | sary | cuz i'll be setting up my website e-mail with exim and dovecot. |
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| 07:44.24 | PressDeb | Hi, I am new to linux. Just left Win7 for debian7. I am having some issues getting packet tracer to run. I have installed it and can find it in my applications, but no window when I run the program. |
| 07:44.40 | Sean-Der | I am getting emails from other people fine. I am getting dropped by GMail though when sending. Not even a bounce |
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| 07:45.15 | nsadmin | PressDeb, how did you install it? |
| 07:45.46 | PressDeb | Through terminal using the -x and ./ commands |
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| 07:46.15 | nsadmin | do you see output in the terminal? |
| 07:46.46 | PressDeb | as far as installation or running the program? |
| 07:47.22 | nsadmin | when you run it... it might be an app that uses the terminal |
| 07:47.44 | nsadmin | -x? ./? |
| 07:48.00 | PressDeb | its a GUI app... could it require terminal to launch tho? |
| 07:48.18 | PressDeb | -x and ./ extracted and executed the .bin file |
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| 07:48.43 | nsadmin | oh, .bin? possibly it's java? |
| 07:48.58 | nsadmin | which makes it likely to be gui |
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| 07:49.30 | nsadmin | it could require a java runtime environment (jre) |
| 07:49.47 | nsadmin | is there a website with a description? |
| 07:50.03 | PressDeb | true, this is a fresh install so i will add jre |
| 07:50.35 | PressDeb | yes it is a cisco virtual environment app, so i would imagine cisco.com |
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| 07:51.04 | nsadmin | that it's java, was a guess... based on the ending ".bin" |
| 07:51.30 | nsadmin | this is not necessarily the case... is there something to read about it where you got this thing? |
| 07:52.06 | nsadmin | it just matches a fairly common pattern |
| 07:52.44 | PressDeb | cisco.netacad.net |
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| 07:56.06 | nsadmin | is there a more specific url that leads me directly to the packet tracer page? |
| 07:56.37 | nsadmin | there are some other packet stuff you could take a look at... |
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| 07:56.59 | nsadmin | a low-level terminal thing is tcpdump |
| 07:57.50 | nsadmin | you give it a "mathematical" expression to describe what to filter in and what to filter out, and it spews packets to the terminal |
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| 07:58.50 | safridzal | is there a recommended way to get playdeb games on debian? some say not to install ubuntu binary on debian, but compiling is, yeah, you know.. |
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| 07:59.29 | nsadmin | you can try compiling to produce packages |
| 07:59.33 | peterrooney | there's also tshark, a slightly higher level packet capture program |
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| 08:00.29 | niels1 | according to google, cisco packet tracer is more like a network simulation and education program than a packet sniffer |
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| 08:00.57 | nsadmin | oh ok,,, does anything you read suggest it needs java? |
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| 08:01.13 | nsadmin | I can't find it on the cisco site |
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| 08:01.53 | niels1 | i don't read anything related to installation |
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| 08:02.25 | codygman | I have an install on a ubs, what do I need to do to install grub to it? |
| 08:02.29 | codygman | usb* |
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| 08:03.07 | nsadmin | there's a command that comes with grub, grub-install |
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| 08:03.17 | codygman | nsadmin: Do I need to make another partition? |
| 08:03.30 | nsadmin | are there any partitions now? |
| 08:03.58 | codygman | yes, let me check and see which ones |
| 08:04.17 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.35 | nsadmin | that is if the usb is plugged in now |
| 08:05.18 | codygman | nsadmin: Nevermind.... this usb drive is broken I think |
| 08:05.32 | codygman | while watching dmesg it didn't do anything |
| 08:05.46 | nsadmin | you mean when plugging/unplugging? |
| 08:05.56 | codygman | yes and the usb is REALLY REALLY hot now |
| 08:06.13 | nsadmin | hmm, that could indicate an electrical short |
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| 08:06.43 | codygman | nsadmin: Now I remember, it stopped working for some reason about 3 weeks ago... got really hot. It's a cheap lexar I got from office depot. |
| 08:06.57 | nsadmin | anyway I agree with you... if it's getting hot like that, it and/or the usb socket you're using could be broke |
| 08:07.39 | nsadmin | it is pretty hard to break a usb socket |
| 08:07.57 | codygman | Yeah, the usb socket works fine with other usb drives. |
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| 08:08.22 | nsadmin | cool |
| 08:08.53 | codygman | thanks, have a good night |
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| 08:20.22 | sary | So , i decided to try i3 WM , is it as easy as running update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 08:20.51 | jagginess | sary, it's easier to use Galternatives, it's a gui front-end for that! |
| 08:20.55 | sary | or do i need to play around in /.xinitrc or ~/.xsession . |
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| 08:21.23 | sary | jagginess: Great, thanks. |
| 08:21.35 | sary | I have openbox at the moment . |
| 08:21.54 | sary | so all i have to do is apt-get install i3 , |
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| 08:22.07 | jagginess | wtf is i3 |
| 08:22.43 | jagginess | hehe, i3 recommends "suckless-tools" package |
| 08:22.44 | simonlnu | ion3 i think |
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| 08:22.50 | sary | http://i3wm.org/screenshots/ |
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| 08:23.20 | simonlnu | !i3 |
| 08:23.21 | dpkg | methinks i3 is a tiling window manager inspired by <wmii>. http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html http://i3wm.org/ #i3 on irc.twice-irc.de. Not to be confused with <ion3>. |
| 08:23.30 | simonlnu | oh |
| 08:23.31 | jagginess | that suckless-tools package looks helpful (check it out) |
| 08:23.49 | simonlnu | it is. i have it installed already (for awesome) |
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| 08:36.14 | swi | hello. why apt want to remove virt-manager and many packages with it on full-upgrade (i'm on sid)? |
| 08:36.30 | sney | !pieces |
| 08:36.30 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 08:37.43 | swi | i was thinking that experimental broken all the way around :) |
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| 08:43.29 | sary | what i have installed so far : i3-wm - rxvt-unicode - i3status , i3bar is not on wheezy . |
| 08:43.58 | sary | ran : update-alternatives --config x-window-manager , logged out , back in ..nothing , even a reboot didn't make it. |
| 08:44.48 | sary | am i missing something! |
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| 08:48.08 | lusers | sary: /usr/bin/i3bar is in i3-wm (it's part of i3) :) |
| 08:48.42 | simonlnu | sary: ~/.xsession |
| 08:48.56 | zetheroo | if I wanted to run a script every 2hrs that does a size check of the folders contained in a certain directory ... how would I do that? |
| 08:49.35 | boudiccas | zetheroo: write a shell script and call it from cron |
| 08:50.24 | zetheroo | for instance ... if I wanted the script to run 'du -shx *' on all folders within /home/ ... and have the output written to a file in /var/log ... |
| 08:50.51 | trytofixit | hello, i use the latest version of pywebdav but an application pops up with the info i should install an older version of 0.9.4, how can i downgrade this ? |
| 08:51.02 | boudiccas | zetheroo: write a shell script and call it from cron, again |
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| 08:51.37 | sary | lusers: good catch :) |
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| 08:52.14 | zetheroo | ok, though I have never written a bash script before ... so this will be interesting :) |
| 08:52.19 | sary | simonlnu: am still not quite sure what should be add there ( exec i3 ) ! |
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| 08:52.36 | sary | I habe openbox , and slim as login manager. |
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| 08:52.41 | sary | *have. |
| 08:53.21 | simonlnu | yes, just that |
| 08:53.41 | simonlnu | the wm is always last |
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| 08:55.40 | Leoneof | hello, is there a way to see the list of packages for backports? |
| 08:58.54 | zetheroo | is there a place where scripts are normally stored in Debian? |
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| 08:59.49 | boudiccas | zetheroo: i stopre them in a directory called 'cron' in my $home |
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| 09:03.22 | simonlnu | zetheroo: typical is $HOME/bin for a user, and /usr/local/bin for system . you'll need to include those in your $PATH |
| 09:03.38 | simonlnu | ...whichever you use |
| 09:03.53 | zetheroo | ok well this script is to be used from root |
| 09:04.56 | zetheroo | what do you mean by this "you'll need to include those in your $PATH" ? |
| 09:05.04 | simonlnu | !path |
| 09:05.04 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
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| 09:06.07 | zetheroo | does a script file need to have .sh after it? |
| 09:06.22 | swi | zetheroo: но |
| 09:06.26 | trytofixit | how can i downgrade the actual installed pywebdav version ? |
| 09:06.26 | swi | zetheroo: no |
| 09:07.01 | swi | trytofixit: aptitude install -t previous_repo pywebdav? |
| 09:07.23 | simonlnu | zetheroo: just execute perms |
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| 09:07.45 | zetheroo | ok, I made a file named "diskspace" in /usr/local/bin ... and placed this inside of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1372039/ |
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| 09:07.52 | simonlnu | as long as the user calling it has permission to exec it it'll run |
| 09:08.07 | zetheroo | the current perms are: -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 54 20. Nov 10:06 diskspace |
| 09:08.10 | jelly-home | trytofixit: which debian release are you using, and which version of pywebdav do you require? |
| 09:08.13 | simonlnu | you can see #bash too for more in-depth things |
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| 09:08.37 | simonlnu | zetheroo: that won't run unless you run it with sh |
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| 09:08.49 | simonlnu | zetheroo: also, don't forget your hash bang |
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| 09:10.16 | zetheroo | hash bang ... you mean this? '#!' |
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| 09:10.55 | zetheroo | I have changed the file perms to : -rwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 54 20. Nov 10:06 diskspace |
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| 09:12.41 | zetheroo | so now do I add a cron job to run this script file? |
| 09:12.53 | zetheroo | or is there something else that must be done before the file it ready? |
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| 09:24.07 | boudiccas | hmm, whats the comand from the commandline to poll all the mount points to see their soze please? |
| 09:24.23 | boudiccas | size |
| 09:24.41 | swi | df -h ? |
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| 09:26.04 | boudiccas | zetheroo: i've amended your script and will also monitor the mount points too, here it is http://dpaste.com/833626/ |
| 09:27.29 | boudiccas | swi: ah, thanks |
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| 09:32.20 | ChrisH | boudiccas: how to you keep the diskspace.log file small enough? |
| 09:33.36 | boudiccas | ChrisH: i've just taken one > out so it overwrites itself on each run, and then i'll call it from a cron job twice a day, which should be enough |
| 09:34.57 | boudiccas | i used to use kwikspace to monitor my mounted partitons for their size, but under MATE i find it unreadable, hence the script |
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| 09:40.23 | boudiccas | zetheroo: hers the finished script http://dpaste.com/833632/, i've also put in the crontab line so you can see how to call it. thanks for the initial idea, i've taken it further. hope it helps you |
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| 09:44.03 | ChrisH | boudiccas: I am working in monitoring and operation for years now and I would include a check to notify me if the size is above some threshold. |
| 09:44.18 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.57 | Armand | fiddles with sphenxes' space bar. |
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| 09:51.08 | StefanM | any LVM experts here? I've setup an LVM over a clustered filesystem and now pvs and lvs shows the lvm config by reading /dev/drbd1 on the second node, but there is no /dev/mapper/vg_disk-lv0 and no /dev/vg_disk/lv0 on the second node. only on the first node. so I can't mount the lvm on the second node if I have no device. how do I make these devices appear? |
| 09:52.01 | darsk1ez | StefanM, lvm config says what sort of devices it should search for pvs on, you may need to add drbd devices to that list. |
| 09:52.18 | StefanM | pvs shows the vg I created on the first cluster node. so pvs can see it. |
| 09:52.22 | StefanM | but there are no mapper devices |
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| 09:52.29 | darsk1ez | is it "active" ? |
| 09:52.39 | StefanM | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.41 | StefanM | that's what it shows |
| 09:52.51 | StefanM | same as on node1 |
| 09:53.10 | jelly-home | StefanM: forgot to bring the vg online? |
| 09:53.10 | ChrisH | StefanM: do you mean by "LVM over a clustered filesystem" a shared Filesystem? |
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| 09:53.43 | ChrisH | vgchange -c ? I never used clusted stuff on Linux |
| 09:53.48 | StefanM | jelly-home: probably, how do I bring it online? |
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| 09:54.52 | StefanM | ChrisH: I will investigate -c, seems relevant and I have not heard of it before. |
| 09:54.56 | jelly-home | StefanM: I have no idea whether your cluster setup makes it sane to just go "vgchange -ay vgname". Read the vgchange manual, and ask in #lvm channel |
| 09:54.57 | StefanM | I just created the vg and lv normally on drbd |
| 09:55.06 | StefanM | thanks |
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| 09:58.15 | ChrisH | StefanM: If LVM on Linux acts similar to HPUX LVM it might be needed to deactivate the VG to activate it in clustered mode. |
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| 10:00.56 | StefanM | I will start over because when I set -c y it just keeps saying "skipping clustered volume" on everything I try to do. |
| 10:01.01 | StefanM | so I will start over from the beginning |
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| 10:01.42 | StefanM | trying to learn how to do this with drbd and ocfs2. I was not prepared that lvm had to be aware of the cluster. but it makes sense of course. also I will need to configure crm for clvm. |
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| 10:07.09 | aprekates | how can i find the reverse dependencies of a package not in my local apt cache but in the main repository? |
| 10:07.28 | ChrisH | StefanM: please provide some feedback :) I only know clustered LVM on HPUX |
| 10:08.08 | ChrisH | aprekates: does apt-cache show PKG help? or aptitude why PKG ? |
| 10:09.06 | zetheroo | will this run the script 'diskspace' every day at 11pm? '00 23 * * * root /urs/local/bin/diskspace' |
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| 10:09.24 | aprekates | ChrisH: one moment to check |
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| 10:10.17 | ChrisH | zetheroo: If 11pm is 23:00 and you correct the usr vs. urs typo the answer is yes |
| 10:10.25 | usr_share | now, excuse me, but here is a question: why do users from group "plugdev" are forbidden from connecting to (pluggable) USB devices via libusb? |
| 10:11.07 | zetheroo | ChrisH: oh yeah - ok |
| 10:11.09 | usr_share | if it's supposed to let users work with external drives, why not other devices as well? |
| 10:11.29 | aprekates | ChrisH: apt-cache show PKG wont show rdepends |
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| 10:12.26 | aprekates | ChrisH: and aptitude why PKG works but are it's results in repo scope or local scope? |
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| 10:14.53 | niels1 | aprekates, apt-cache rdepends PKG. repo scope, from what your system knows about the repo when you last did "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 10:14.53 | ChrisH | sphenxes: I do not know, nor do I understand the difference. |
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| 10:15.36 | eni23 | hello. mabye someone can help me: im running wheezy on a notebook, seems fine, but after every secound suspend i get "ext4 journal commit I/O error" and then nothing works anymore, seems like the root-fs is not mounted anymore. does anyone know this "bug"? |
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| 10:16.32 | aprekates | niels1: thanks. i assumed that 'cache' relates only to installed pkgs |
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| 10:18.08 | niels1 | aprekates, no, apt-cache relates to the package list cache |
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| 10:18.58 | boudiccas | ChrisH: okay, but this machine is not part of a network, its a stand-alone just used by me, on 24/7 and not a lot really changes on it to any great extent. however i am going to get it to send root an email when its run, just to monitor it at a certain level that its actually working. Oh, yes. there is only one h/d on this machine, so i'm not too bothered about size thresholds, although if i was monitoring someone elses machine i would be |
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| 10:22.45 | niels1 | boudiccas, check-diskfree of the checksecurity package can monitor free space on partitions, too, and does so by default. (you can unselect the Recommends it wants to pull in by default) |
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| 10:27.24 | petn-randall | eni23: Have you run a fsck on the file system? |
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| 10:28.06 | eni23 | petn-randall: few times. its an new ssd-drive aged 2 days |
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| 10:29.02 | petn-randall | eni23: Ouch. It's connected via S-ATA? Which chipset? Sounds like a hardware/driver bug to me. |
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| 10:33.13 | eni23 | yup, connected via sata. controller is ati SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA |
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| 10:35.18 | BrixSat | Hello, i would to know if there is a solution for traffic monitor, (idealy with webinterface) know where the traffic is goind and comming, by time day ip etc... |
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| 10:36.39 | boudiccas | niels1: i'm just installing checksecuirty and its pulled in tripwire and tiger amongst others, but its now wanting me to configure tripwire by giving it a key, except its stuck at the terminal window where it exlains about it, how do i get past that please? it doesnt respond to yes, no, enter, page down, its just stoped there |
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| 10:37.30 | babilen | eni23: That sounds if if you have "errors=remount-ro" in your /etc/fstab and as if the filesystem is being remounted ro due to errors. I would recommend to install smartmontools and run "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net . Furthermore run "smartctl -t short /dev/sdX" and/or "smartctl -t long /dev/sdX" and monitor the test by running "smartctl -l error /dev/sdX" |
| 10:37.46 | babilen | eni23: It, unfortunately, also sounds if your harddrive is faulty |
| 10:37.49 | boudiccas | niels1: this is in 'mater-terminal' under MATE on wheezy |
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| 10:38.10 | babilen | boudiccas: MATE is not in Debian |
| 10:38.33 | boudiccas | babilen: i know its not supported, i'm just trying it out |
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| 10:39.59 | niels1 | boudiccas, well, as i said, unselect the other packages it wants to pull in |
| 10:40.58 | niels1 | boudiccas, they are just recommends, you don't need them for the simple functionality in checksecurity |
| 10:40.59 | boudiccas | niels1: i havent got as far as that yet, i'm still trying to install checksecuirty with apt-get, and stuck in the tripwire information terminal page |
| 10:41.57 | boudiccas | sorted, press tab first, to move on |
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| 10:42.26 | niels1 | boudiccas, well, i didn't mean uninstall, i meant don't install in the first place. i think using apt-get you can put "-" chars in front of the packages to prevent them from installing. i use the aptitude ncurses interface, so i'm not too familiar with it. haven't installed tripwire, so i don't know how to configure that |
| 10:42.39 | eni23 | babilen: yes, i have errors=remount-ro in fstab. smartmon-output: http://paste.debian.net/210940/ |
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| 10:42.53 | arvind_khadri | BrixSat, ntop |
| 10:43.16 | eni23 | babilen: smartmon -l error shows me: "http://paste.debian.net/210940/" |
| 10:43.49 | BrixSat | arvind_khadri: does that log constantly to a file for later analysis? |
| 10:43.53 | eni23 | babilen: the drive is an new solid state disc |
| 10:44.28 | arvind_khadri | BrixSat, that can be configured I believe. It has a web interface. |
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| 10:45.17 | BrixSat | arvind_khadri: thks |
| 10:45.28 | arvind_khadri | np |
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| 10:45.39 | babilen | eni23: Yeah, I realise that my new SSD doesn't support "-l error" as well. |
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| 10:46.42 | babilen | eni23: Hmm, I wonder how to get the results of the tests then. I'll ping you once I've figured that out. The "smartctl -a /dev/sda" output looks fine (as you would expect for a new drive) |
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| 10:48.01 | babilen | eni23: Which SSD is it? Which firmware version does it use? What are your mount options in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:48.59 | joar | hey guys |
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| 10:50.13 | joar | I have this issue: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3610311/Screenshot%20from%202012-11-20%2011%3A48%3A35.png |
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| 10:50.33 | joar | I just installed the nvidia 310.19 driver, i've been having issues since before too. |
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| 10:50.55 | joar | sorry, that came out wrong. |
| 10:50.58 | babilen | joar: That page gives us a 404 -- Which version of Debian are you using and how did you install the NVIDIA driver? |
| 10:51.12 | joar | babilen: Try again |
| 10:51.22 | joar | debian testing/sid |
| 10:51.24 | babilen | tried again and it worked |
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| 10:52.04 | babilen | joar: I am not entirely sure what the problem is though :) |
| 10:52.06 | eni23 | babilen: its an ocz vertex 2. firmware 1.37 , mount options are only errors=remount-ro |
| 10:52.22 | joar | My original goal was to change the rotation of one of my displays. This was supposed to be achieved by selecting "sepearate X screen" for the displays. |
| 10:52.50 | joar | GNOME 3 doesn't support that, I found out, after trying to enable it for a while. |
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| 10:53.46 | joar | and now I have 3 setups of all of the ui elements in the panels, and it's all fallback mode. |
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| 10:54.04 | babilen | eni23: That is the current firmware and therefore shouldn't be problematic. But you might want to change for bug reports regarding that firmware. Do you have other filesystems on that device? Do they behave differently? |
| 10:54.20 | joar | I've uninstalled nvidia-* and installed the nvidia 310.19 driver from their binary instead in an attempt to resolve the issue. |
| 10:54.46 | joar | however that hasn't solved anything yet. |
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| 10:54.56 | babilen | joar: How did you install the driver? Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to as pastebin? What does 'glxinfo | grep -E "render(er|ing)"' give you? |
| 10:55.33 | babilen | joar: Ah, we don't support the nvidia installer *at all* and strongly discourage users from using it (as it messes with the packaging system and various important symlinks) |
| 10:55.45 | joar | babilen: belz |
| 10:55.48 | joar | direct rendering: Yes |
| 10:55.50 | joar | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 |
| 10:55.53 | joar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.19 | joar | babilen: that's not an issue, I could uninstall it again. |
| 10:56.36 | babilen | joar: You can easily pull in 310 from experimental and install and configure it in the supported way. See "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" for instructions, but note that you probably want "-t experimental" in there to pull the driver from there. |
| 10:56.56 | joar | babilen: https://gist.github.com/4478499f997528c05cf0 |
| 10:57.19 | babilen | joar: That output very much looks as if you *do* have a working nvidia driver. But let me check your Xorg.0.log as well. |
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| 10:58.09 | joar | no "(EE)" in there |
| 10:58.11 | yvesD | you can get glx from backports via dmesg also |
| 10:58.34 | yvesD | nvidia-glx from backports support 560Ti chip |
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| 10:59.20 | joar | I've had it up and running but messed it up trying to run GNOME 3 through separate X screens. |
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| 10:59.40 | babilen | yvesD: joar is running testing/sid and it would therefore doesn't make sense to use backports. (S)he should have asked in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though (see /topic) :) |
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| 11:00.20 | babilen | joar: I would recommend to remove the nvidia driver (as in completely purge it) and install the driver from experimental. How did you configure Xorg? |
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| 11:01.01 | babilen | joar: And fwiw, you do not need 310 for that card (but I guess it is nice to have due to the increase in performance) |
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| 11:01.57 | jimcooncat | after working with ubuntu so long with no root password, it's a bit strange to going back to having one. |
| 11:02.19 | yvesD | *sorry, forgot |
| 11:02.26 | babilen | jimcooncat: Install sudo, run "adduser USER sudo" and feel good again |
| 11:03.27 | yvesD | after using unity on ubuntu it is a pleasure on being on debian again |
| 11:03.36 | BrixSat | NTOP is what i waslooking for =D =D |
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| 11:04.03 | jimcooncat | babilen: I did, and now some things prompt me for my password, and others for the root password. Very minor issue, I don't mind that much |
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| 11:04.34 | swi | jimcooncat: man sudoers |
| 11:04.47 | swi | oh, for greater good, do not work as root :) |
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| 11:05.23 | zetheroo | how do you make it so that a script writes to a file with the current date on it ... with a script running once a day I need the file it writes to to be new every time and to have the date of when it was run |
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| 11:06.11 | babilen | jimcooncat: You probably have to condifure gksudo/gksu to your liking. IIRC you can just run "gksu-properties" to do that. For further help I would need to know what "some" and "others" refer to exactly. |
| 11:06.49 | eni23 | babilen: i added libata.force=nohrst to kernel options and now it seems like it works just fine |
| 11:07.00 | swi | zetheroo: echo "something" >`date +%Y-%m-%d`.log ? |
| 11:07.37 | yvesD | man date |
| 11:07.38 | zetheroo | I have this but it seems to not be working: /usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >>/home/admintools/cron/diskspace_date +%F_%T.log |
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| 11:08.11 | babilen | zetheroo: Something like: 'echo "foo" > $(date +%F).log' ? |
| 11:08.22 | swi | zetheroo: ``````` |
| 11:08.52 | joar | babilen: what are the steps to purge the driver? |
| 11:09.04 | babilen | zetheroo: You actually have to invoke the (sub-)command -- Wrap the "date +F_%T" call in $(...) |
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| 11:09.35 | babilen | !tell joar about remove nvidia |
| 11:09.57 | babilen | joar: But I think that the Debian package comes with a tool that takes care of that automagically. Just install it and see if that works. |
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| 11:10.34 | babilen | joar: I am, in particular, referring to nvidia-installer-cleanup which is AFAICT pulled in by the nvidia-kernel-dkms package |
| 11:10.37 | apm1 | ! tell apm1 about install nvidia |
| 11:10.41 | zetheroo | ok I did this but the output file did not have the date: /usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >>/home/admintools/cron/diskspace_'date+%Y-%m-%d'.log |
| 11:10.46 | babilen | !tell apm1 -about selftell |
| 11:10.54 | mwargh | lol |
| 11:10.59 | apm1 | lol |
| 11:11.01 | babilen | apm1: And you want "/msg dpkg nvidia" + "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
| 11:11.02 | jimcooncat | babilen: thnaks |
| 11:11.09 | swi | zetheroo: can you find difference between ' and ` ? |
| 11:11.13 | boudiccas | zetheroo: do you have a user called 'admintools'? |
| 11:11.15 | joar | babilen: installing with -t experimental now, but it only pulled wheezy/sid packages |
| 11:11.21 | babilen | jimcooncat: Was that it? |
| 11:11.29 | joar | do I have to have experimental configured in my sources? |
| 11:11.29 | zetheroo | boudiccas: |
| 11:11.32 | zetheroo | boudiccas: yes |
| 11:12.02 | babilen | joar: Do you have experimental in your sources.list? Did you run "apt-get update" after adding it? What does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" give you? |
| 11:12.16 | babilen | ,nvidia-kernel-dkms --release experimental |
| 11:12.18 | jimcooncat | I meant thanks! What's this screen grabbing mode option? |
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| 11:12.23 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms --release experimental |
| 11:12.24 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- experimental/non-free: 310.14-1+exp1 |
| 11:12.26 | joar | babilen: adding it now. |
| 11:12.30 | babilen | joar: yay |
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| 11:12.37 | babilen | !tell joar -about experimental |
| 11:12.45 | zetheroo | swi: ok well now I get a command not found with date+%Y-%m-%d |
| 11:13.16 | boudiccas | zetheroo: You actually have to invoke the (sub-)command -- Wrap the "date +F_%T" call in $(...) --- said babilen , perhaps you missed it? |
| 11:13.23 | swi | zetheroo: space you forget |
| 11:13.24 | babilen | joar: Just so that you don't start pulling everything from experimental now. *Some* packages are fine and are only uploaded there because wheezy is <frozen> and sid therefore <slushy>, other are there because they are, well, highly experimental |
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| 11:14.05 | zetheroo | boudiccas: how do I do that? |
| 11:14.06 | boudiccas | ,v claws-mail |
| 11:14.07 | judd | Package: claws-mail on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.0-2.1; lenny-backports: 3.7.6-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.7.6-4; sid: 3.8.1-2; wheezy: 3.8.1-2 |
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| 11:14.29 | swi | zetheroo: echo "foo" >`date +%Y-%m-%d`.txt |
| 11:14.30 | babilen | zetheroo: The command is "date +%Y-%m-%d" (or "date +%F" for that) ... *not* "date+%Y-%m-%d" -- And you have to wrap it in $(...) as in the echo example that I gave you earlier. |
| 11:14.32 | zetheroo | swi: where is there supposed to be a space/ |
| 11:14.33 | zetheroo | ? |
| 11:14.37 | joar | babilen: Yeah, I'm a bit familiar with the channels. |
| 11:15.01 | babilen | zetheroo: Do you even read what I say? |
| 11:15.06 | swi | seems not |
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| 11:15.22 | zetheroo | babilen: some yes ... |
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| 11:15.30 | zetheroo | babilen: ok I found your earlier post |
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| 11:15.48 | babilen | lets zetheroo parse it |
| 11:16.18 | babilen | zetheroo: In conclusion: Your command "/usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >>/home/admintools/cron/diskspace_'date+%Y-%m-%d'.log" has to be "/usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >>/home/admintools/cron/diskspace_$(date+%Y-%m-%d).log" |
| 11:16.36 | babilen | zetheroo: Or replace the ' ' with ` `, but I would recommend to use $(...) |
| 11:16.44 | zetheroo | ok ... was just typing that :) |
| 11:17.00 | boudiccas | zetheroo: i'd be interested in seeing your complete script and the cron line that invokes it when you get it up and running satisfasctorily, tahnks |
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| 11:17.54 | zetheroo | ok well I just did this and am getting command not found : /usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >>/home/admintools/cron/diskspace_$(date+%Y-%m-%d).log |
| 11:18.44 | zetheroo | in relation to "-bash: date+%Y-%m-%d:" |
| 11:18.48 | babilen | zetheroo: See the message I wrote at 11:14:30 UTC |
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| 11:19.39 | babilen | zetheroo: And forgive me for fixing only the '' error in your command and not the missing space when I quoted the command earlier |
| 11:20.20 | babilen | zetheroo: "/usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >> /home/admintools/cron/diskspace_$(date +%F).log" |
| 11:20.24 | zetheroo | where is this elusive space ? |
| 11:20.46 | boudiccas | immediately after date |
| 11:20.53 | zetheroo | ah |
| 11:20.59 | babilen | zetheroo: Between "date" and "+%Y-%m-%d" -- there is not command "date+%Y-%m-%d" |
| 11:21.34 | babilen | and you can just use %F instead |
| 11:21.55 | zetheroo | ok this worked great: /usr/bin/du -sx /home/* >> /home/admintools/cron/diskspace_$(date +%F).log |
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| 11:26.07 | boudiccas | zetheroo: http://dpaste.com/833681/ where i hope it sends root an email when its run, but i wont know for sure until its first run from the cronjob a\t 1800 |
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| 11:36.57 | zetheroo | ok how do I run the command in the script as root but then make sure the output file can be viewed by user admintools? |
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| 11:39.28 | Rikle_S | Hi |
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| 11:39.46 | Rikle_S | Police are not sexy after debian install |
| 11:39.56 | Rikle_S | is there something to do ? |
| 11:40.32 | boudiccas | zetheroo: put the command in roots crontab and it should be readable by user |
| 11:41.11 | zetheroo | ok, that is where it currently is ... so admintools should be able to view it? |
| 11:41.44 | zetheroo | yeah - just checked and user admintools can view it |
| 11:42.51 | yvesD | | Rikle_S police? |
| 11:43.17 | boudiccas | zetheroo: i'd be interetsed in seeing the script and its crontab command if you'd care to sahare, thanks |
| 11:43.53 | zetheroo | sure |
| 11:43.54 | zetheroo | one sec |
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| 11:45.31 | zetheroo | boudiccas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1372260/ |
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| 11:46.49 | Rikle_S | yvesD: I mean Font |
| 11:46.58 | Rikle_S | (i'm french, sorry) |
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| 11:48.09 | cardiel | mysql is restarted by debian-sys-maint user sometimes.. is this a bug or ? |
| 11:48.10 | yvesD | Rikle_S: change it in "appearance" |
| 11:48.38 | WilliamEDIS | more likely wrong configured cardiel |
| 11:49.25 | yvesD | why the hell has this telephone-hotline "call me maybe" as waiting-song?`0_0 |
| 11:50.22 | boudiccas | ze thagh, thanks. tyou might get it to send root an email when its run, just as another check that its working |
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| 11:51.05 | boudiccas | zetheroo: thanks. tyou might get it to send root an email when its run, just as another check that its working |
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| 11:51.52 | zetheroo | how does that work? |
| 11:53.10 | Rikle_S | yvesD: this is not the real problem. i've enabled anti analysing, but on my display, this is dirty |
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| 11:55.27 | boudiccas | zetheroo: echo "E: Diskspace script run" 1>&2 |
| 11:55.27 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.04 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 11:57.29 | zetheroo | now with that in the script if I run it I get this output before falling back to prompt: E: Diskspace script run |
| 11:58.17 | boudiccas | yes, but croin doesnt run it from the terminal prompt |
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| 11:59.19 | yvesD | Rikle_S: enable subpixels for flat-screens? |
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| 12:02.27 | zetheroo | boudiccas: ok, so where would that message normally end up? |
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| 12:05.12 | yvesD | Rikle_S: also, is the resolution your normal resolution? maybe it is just smaller resolution? |
| 12:05.28 | yvesD | !fra |
| 12:05.31 | yvesD | !fr |
| 12:05.32 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 12:06.10 | yvesD | for your interest |
| 12:07.18 | Rikle_S | yvesD: i know, but i think they can't really help me |
| 12:07.36 | Rikle_S | i've another problem |
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| 12:07.59 | Rikle_S | my /opt is really small, and i can't install app in it |
| 12:08.18 | nsadmin | whyis /opt small? |
| 12:09.16 | nsadmin | hint: where is /opt stored? |
| 12:10.59 | nsadmin | detects nonresponsiveness and lack of interest |
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| 12:15.12 | yvesD | Rikle_S: if you respond to the questions, maybe we can help you |
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| 12:16.55 | Rikle_S | nsadmin: it is on different partition, and it size is : 30Mo |
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| 12:19.26 | yvesD | Rikle_S: Mo = Mb? |
| 12:19.42 | nsadmin | oh ok... so you could resize it |
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| 12:21.31 | Rikle_S | so many time lost |
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| 12:21.55 | Rikle_S | why assistant do this, it's really stupid :/ |
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| 12:23.04 | frikinz | What is the default init system in debian 6.0? Sysv or insserv? Installed through debootstrap |
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| 12:23.49 | Rikle_S | my /etc/ is in the same case |
| 12:24.08 | yvesD | frikinz: upstart? |
| 12:24.11 | Rikle_S | i can't do anything before resizing |
| 12:24.12 | nsadmin | there is a partition mounted on /etc?? that's very unusual |
| 12:24.23 | nsadmin | and not a good thing |
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| 12:25.13 | nsadmin | when you boot, there is a period where (a) only / is mounted and (b) /etc needs to be read |
| 12:25.19 | boudiccas | zetheroo: it should go to root as its run from roots crontab |
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| 12:27.26 | frikinz | yvesD: is it? :) |
| 12:27.46 | Rikle_S | nsadmin: i've just select the auto part :/ |
| 12:28.16 | frikinz | yvesD: was thinking between sysvinit and insserv actually |
| 12:29.40 | nsadmin | wow, and automatic partitioning separates /etc? someone who is psychotic is also on drug |
| 12:29.45 | nsadmin | seas |
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| 12:30.49 | swi | indead, there must be / separated |
| 12:30.54 | swi | indeed* |
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| 12:32.40 | yvesD | frikinz: i am not shure, thats why "?" they considered it, but i think it was dropped again. so it is NOT upstart, if i read this right |
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| 12:33.16 | niels1 | it's insserv |
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| 12:34.16 | niels1 | system v init + insserv |
| 12:34.31 | nsadmin | right, insserv seems to be what I started with on squeeze |
| 12:35.01 | niels1 | insserv just reorders the init scripts according to the dependencies |
| 12:35.09 | babilen | yeah, we transitioned to insserv with the release of squeeze (to the dismay of some people) |
| 12:35.30 | nsadmin | like ubuntu devs? |
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| 12:35.43 | yvesD | thanks for clearing this up |
| 12:35.59 | babilen | nsadmin: primarily "unix-beard-get-off-my-lawn" types ;) |
| 12:36.01 | nsadmin | it was clear before :) |
| 12:36.02 | niels1 | well, i like the dependency based init scripts. much easier to maintain than fiddling with the order yourself |
| 12:36.14 | babilen | indeed |
| 12:36.42 | nsadmin | wouldn't you get that with upstart? |
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| 12:37.12 | nsadmin | what's unix-beard? |
| 12:37.15 | niels1 | probably, babilen and me were just talking about plain system v vs. system v + insserv |
| 12:37.16 | nsadmin | RMS? |
| 12:37.21 | WaterRatj | Juust installed debian on server but seems there are two entries in grub thats are messed iup, how do i remove lines from grub trought ssh? |
| 12:37.44 | nsadmin | how do you know they're messed up? |
| 12:38.03 | WaterRatj | cause when i start the first one won't boot? lol |
| 12:38.15 | babilen | dpkg: lol |
| 12:38.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:38.22 | WaterRatj | and pc will not have screen, so i need to remove the first two else it will never load into debian |
| 12:38.43 | WaterRatj | always used lol, not gonne stop now ^^ |
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| 12:38.56 | babilen | WaterRatj: Could you elaborate please? What are those entries? How did you install Debian? Where did you install the bootloader? How is it partitioned? Which error do you get if you try to boot? |
| 12:39.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell WaterRatj -about fixmbr |
| 12:39.32 | nsadmin | is this a remote vm? |
| 12:39.45 | babilen | WaterRatj: Could you follow the procedure dpkg just told you about and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? Please also make sure to install grub into the MBR of the disk you are booting from. |
| 12:39.48 | WaterRatj | did two debian install in a row after eachother, but first one had erros cause some firmware drivers were not found. so i reinstalled so it has twice linux entries now, need only second one, so how do i remove first one |
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| 12:39.59 | WaterRatj | let me see |
| 12:40.13 | yvesD | debian irc too elitist to say "lol" lol |
| 12:40.35 | WaterRatj | nothing to do with elite :p |
| 12:40.37 | nsadmin | lol |
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| 12:41.37 | babilen | WaterRatj: Wait ... What do you mean by "in a row after eachother" ? Did you install completely new? Do you have *two* installations now? Are you aware that you can 1. Use netinstall installers with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) or 2. Install firmware manually/using apt-get/aptitude ? |
| 12:41.56 | babilen | WaterRatj: But above all: What does "update-grub" give you? |
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| 12:42.08 | bluesm | Hi |
| 12:42.15 | bluesm | How to remove file with all links to it. ? |
| 12:42.37 | bluesm | Simply unlink ? |
| 12:42.41 | nsadmin | first find all links |
| 12:42.48 | babilen | then remove all those |
| 12:42.51 | babilen | :) |
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| 12:43.05 | nsadmin | btw, what kind of links? |
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| 12:44.08 | WaterRatj | http://paste.debian.net/210962/ |
| 12:44.48 | babilen | bluesm: find can almost certainly be used to find all links. If you are after symlinks use something along the lines of "find /foo -lname /path/to/original" or something |
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| 12:45.29 | nsadmin | if you mean non-symbolic links, each of those names are aliases for an inode and therefore must all reside on the same filesystem |
| 12:45.53 | nsadmin | you may be able to find them by finding all filenames pointing to the inode in question |
| 12:45.54 | babilen | WaterRatj: It looks as if you installed wheezy and ran a dist-upgrade. You therefore have a grub entry for each installed kernel (aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image') ... Where did you install grub? |
| 12:46.42 | WaterRatj | i installed wheezy trought netinstn and din't ran dist-upgrade yet |
| 12:46.47 | WaterRatj | grub was isntalled to hdd |
| 12:47.08 | babilen | WaterRatj: hdd where? |
| 12:47.19 | WaterRatj | i don't know, just default grub isntall |
| 12:47.21 | babilen | WaterRatj: Did you install it to the MBR? |
| 12:47.24 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 12:47.26 | WaterRatj | mbr |
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| 12:47.58 | babilen | WaterRatj: Well, that should work. Could you run "grub-install /dev/sdX" please (where /dev/sdX is the device you boot from (e.g. /dev/sda)) and try to reboot? |
| 12:48.39 | WaterRatj | how can i find the name of the dev? for the device i boot from ? so i don't make a mistake |
| 12:49.02 | babilen | bbl (lunch) |
| 12:49.06 | wols | fdisk -l to check how many harddisks you actually have |
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| 12:50.06 | bluesm | babilen: there is no comand with |
| 12:50.15 | bluesm | babilen: "rm" or "unlink" |
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| 12:51.11 | wols | bluesm: have you looked for all symlinks and found them? |
| 12:52.20 | Dext | will my 6gigs of ram and core i5 processor be fine to run debian on a vm? |
| 12:52.44 | wols | it will be around 3 times as much as you need. at least |
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| 12:53.17 | nsadmin | Dext, welll, it |
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| 12:53.24 | nsadmin | will probably be allright |
| 12:53.26 | Dext | what is the best virtualization to run debian would be? |
| 12:53.38 | bluesm | wols: I mean files |
| 12:53.39 | wols | Xen, kvm? |
| 12:53.39 | Dext | I downloaded the 4,4GB deviab dvd |
| 12:53.44 | nsadmin | not found: "best" |
| 12:53.47 | Dext | na wols on Windows |
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| 12:54.04 | wols | Dext: any will do. use Virtualbox. easiest to use and free |
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| 12:54.29 | wols | bluesm: have you the filenames of all the symlinks? |
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| 12:54.38 | Dext | easy and free |
| 12:54.41 | Dext | that sounds good |
| 12:56.50 | bluesm | wols: I have files with ln links |
| 12:57.30 | wols | bluesm: no one asked you about this. did you use the find command as babilen suggested to find all instances of symlinks on your disk? |
| 12:58.04 | wols | or did you get the list of all these symlinks in any other way? |
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| 13:09.44 | lusers | Anybody here know how to get patched rxvt-unicode in Debian? I'm experiencing font-width issue with xft fonts. I hate my terminal. :o |
| 13:10.06 | lusers | Or at least, a good solution. |
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| 13:14.17 | nkuttler | !tell lusers about package recompile |
| 13:14.35 | nkuttler | lusers: unless your patch is packaged.. |
| 13:16.41 | lusers | nkuttler: I'll try this. Gotta find the patch first. Thx you. |
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| 13:22.51 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I am a C/Python developer, I am getting out of arch linux due a lot of bugs, I wonder, is debian-stable still using Python 2.6 and not having 2.7 in the repo? What about debian-wheezy? |
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| 13:23.20 | Ephexeve | is that stable enough? I don't want the system to break for a very long time due bad updates or whatever (exactly what happend in arch) |
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| 13:24.34 | gabesubdo | Ephexeve: wheezy is fairly safe at this point, I've been running it on my server for the better part of a year |
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| 13:24.56 | yvesD | Ephexeve: http://wiki.debian.org/Python ? |
| 13:25.05 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: stable is still 2.6 and i would not run testing on a server |
| 13:25.20 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: that being said, 2.6->2.7 really shouldn't matter much |
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| 13:26.09 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: Totally |
| 13:26.15 | Ephexeve | but that doesn't make sence |
| 13:26.17 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: python 3 is in stable though |
| 13:26.24 | Ephexeve | python 3 is not stable at all |
| 13:26.26 | nkuttler | what doesn't make sense? |
| 13:26.35 | Ephexeve | there is a lot of things to be fixed |
| 13:26.42 | Ephexeve | this is why I am confused with debian-squeeze |
| 13:26.53 | Ephexeve | since Python2.7 was the default to any system |
| 13:27.02 | nkuttler | it's not |
| 13:27.04 | Ephexeve | no shit why arch breaks all the time, since python3 is the default |
| 13:27.15 | gabesubdo | squeeze/stable comes with 2.6 by default and 3.1 is in the repo |
| 13:27.20 | Ephexeve | and scripts are made for 2, libs are not found, so you need to change the source, a whole mess |
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| 13:27.30 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: yeah, wheezy will default to 2.7 |
| 13:27.39 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: Nice |
| 13:27.50 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: I am just in doubt between wheeze though |
| 13:27.56 | Ephexeve | is this totally "testing"? |
| 13:28.02 | Ephexeve | or you can see as a rolling version? |
| 13:28.17 | nkuttler | !tell Ephexeve about freeze |
| 13:28.22 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: testing is frozen now |
| 13:28.57 | nkuttler | i still wouldn't run it on a server though |
| 13:29.13 | Ephexeve | Hmm I see.. |
| 13:29.33 | gabesubdo | I wouldn't run it on serious production hardware, but it's fine for my little box |
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| 13:29.52 | nkuttler | i do all my dev work on testing with 2.7 but deploy on 2.6 |
| 13:30.14 | zetheroo | does crontab -l supposed to show the content of /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:30.21 | abrotman | no |
| 13:30.39 | Ephexeve | problem is there are libs that are not standard (asked in #python) |
| 13:30.42 | Ephexeve | so I am very worried about that |
| 13:30.50 | Ephexeve | because I really do hardcore python scripting |
| 13:30.58 | Ephexeve | and use a fu** lot of libs |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | zetheroo: pretty sure it shows the crontab for the user |
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| 13:31.05 | Ephexeve | so I am kinda worries about that |
| 13:31.36 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: well... for libs there's always virtualenv, and no idea what "hardcore" scripting means.. |
| 13:31.38 | jelly-home | trytofixit: sorry, I did not see your messages in private. Please use the public channel next time. what's the version of python-webdav package installed? Pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 python python-webdav |
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| 13:32.33 | nsadmin | Ephexeve, then, maybe you need to build a reference implementation, python and all your libs... if you do this, you convince yourself you can build it again |
| 13:32.48 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: Basiclay I mean by using a lot of libs and processing, so I am a bit affraid lib xx is not in python2.6 for example |
| 13:32.50 | nsadmin | you can eliminate that worry |
| 13:33.03 | Ephexeve | nsadmin: hmmm true |
| 13:33.14 | nsadmin | list the libs you need and find them |
| 13:33.19 | zetheroo | abrotman: well I am logged in as root and not sure what file exactly crontab -l is showing me |
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| 13:33.32 | zetheroo | abrotman: because /etc/crontab is very different |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | zetheroo: root's crontab is not /etc/crontab |
| 13:35.18 | nsadmin | Ephexeve, find out once and for all (1) whether you can find all the libs you use and (2) the stuff you're building works on that platform |
| 13:35.30 | nsadmin | test also the debian packages |
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| 13:35.57 | gabesubdo | zetheroo: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 13:36.22 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 13:36.24 | Ephexeve | nsadmin: Indeed |
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| 13:37.29 | zetheroo | so if I add a cron job in /etc/crontab is that ok too? there are several jobs setup in there already |
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| 13:37.56 | nsadmin | and finally, test all the versions of python you're interested in |
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| 13:38.02 | abrotman | zetheroo: yes |
| 13:38.03 | phear | Hello everyone hope you all have a great day today |
| 13:38.15 | zetheroo | cool |
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| 13:39.14 | kracekumar | is it recommended to boot live usb 64 bit debian for installation in macbook ? |
| 13:40.32 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 13:40.34 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 13:40.50 | nsadmin | that's one way out of many, check the install guide |
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| 13:44.07 | tobin | Can someone give me an idea of how I'd go out programatically changing the name of a debian package when building from source? I have a jenkins job that incorporates git-buildpackage however I need to inject a variable into the package name at runtime. |
| 13:44.33 | tobin | I haven't found an elegant way of doing it without awk/sed etc |
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| 13:45.28 | tobin | My rules file is spitting out multiple binaries as well. |
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| 13:46.13 | nsadmin | and you're going to change all those based on what? |
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| 13:47.05 | tobin | nsadmin: I need to change them based upon a jenkins runtime parameter |
| 13:47.28 | tobin | ENV={$BRANCH} |
| 13:47.45 | tobin | ENV=${BRANCH}* |
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| 13:49.03 | nsadmin | so you want to put the name of a git branch into the names of all the binary packages? do you have this information before starting the build? |
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| 13:50.55 | tobin | nsadmin: correct. i know it sucks but its to support some legacy technical decisions made |
| 13:51.02 | tobin | i have the information before the build starts |
| 13:51.25 | tobin | Basically, the source is in git, and the branch that the code is in needs to be injected into the packagename |
| 13:51.56 | tobin | I tried appending this using git-dch, but the git tools fail as you cannot add text into the version string |
| 13:52.00 | tobin | which makes sense. |
| 13:52.49 | nsadmin | then why not have a control.in file that has placeholders where the part in the control file you want the value to go, and process it like a macro file |
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| 13:54.13 | tobin | I'm trying to understand where to run this. do I append this as a part of debian/rules? |
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| 13:55.52 | nsadmin | no, debian/control is its own file; and you may want to have the rules file do the same thing... so you generate debian/control from debian/control.in and your branch name, and same for debian/rules from debian/rules.in |
| 13:56.36 | nsadmin | this is an idea that's not too flushed out. you may wish to discuss it with someone from debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 13:56.58 | StefanM | has anyone here solved the issue of the missing liblvm2clusterlock.so file in the clvm package? there are bug reports on this issue for both debian and ubuntu. |
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| 13:58.02 | babilen | StefanM: Mind sharing those bug reports? Did you read them? |
| 13:58.06 | moty66 | is the source code for dpkg bot available? |
| 13:58.14 | babilen | !tell moty66 -about dpkgbot |
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| 13:58.24 | StefanM | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508544 |
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| 13:58.47 | StefanM | the ubuntu bug report had more replies and seemed resolved, yet I can't find the file when I search through their package system. |
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| 13:58.56 | joar___ | /wc/ |
| 13:59.06 | Dext | why are there |
| 13:59.09 | Dext | 52 cds |
| 13:59.14 | Dext | in the debian download repository? |
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| 13:59.21 | Dext | what should I choose? |
| 13:59.27 | Dext | all of em? or they are all the same? :O |
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| 13:59.29 | nsadmin | one for each card in the deck! |
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| 13:59.45 | babilen | Dext: Those 52 CDs contain /all/ packages in the Debina archive. On what kind of hardware are you installing and are you connected to the internet? If yes: how? |
| 13:59.50 | babilen | *Debian |
| 13:59.54 | wolf29 | Is there tool like etherape that can tell magnitude of network traffic and also maintain a record of it, so I can go back over the last x hours and look at what traffic went where? |
| 14:00.08 | nsadmin | seriously, there are binary cds and source cds, as well as netinst, bus card and live cds |
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| 14:01.14 | babilen | StefanM: I can't find that file anywhere -- What do you need it for? I also see /no/ indication whatsoever why lvm2 should contain that file |
| 14:01.33 | babilen | StefanM: (not to mention that the bug report is ancient) |
| 14:02.12 | StefanM | babilen: /etc/lvm/lvm.conf points to this file for using locking_type 2 or 3. |
| 14:02.19 | StefanM | in other words, clustered lvm |
| 14:03.08 | babilen | StefanM: Do you have the Ubuntu bug report as well? |
| 14:03.43 | Dext | lol |
| 14:03.43 | StefanM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/504629 |
| 14:03.52 | Dext | can you please adress me to the exact link |
| 14:03.56 | StefanM | but that bug report is more about the file being in the wrong location |
| 14:03.57 | Dext | to download debian 64 bit? |
| 14:04.11 | StefanM | yet when I search packages.ubuntu.com I can't find the file at all. |
| 14:04.21 | babilen | Dext: Exact link for what? I asked you a couple of questions and would recommend that you answer them. |
| 14:04.35 | Dext | oh wait |
| 14:04.37 | Dext | i didnt saw them |
| 14:04.47 | Dext | I am trying |
| 14:04.55 | Dext | to install debian on vbox |
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| 14:05.05 | Dext | hardware is core i5 6gigs of ram |
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| 14:05.14 | babilen | Dext: There are various different methods to install Debian and the there is no way we can know what you are trying to achieve. So please help us and answer our questions. The enter key is also not a substitute for punctuation. |
| 14:05.19 | Dext | allocated 1.5gb of ram for the installation |
| 14:05.29 | StefanM | babilen: it last made an appearance in hardy. |
| 14:05.44 | Dext | ok babilen: I need a dvd image for Debian 64bit |
| 14:05.45 | babilen | Dext: Are you connected to the internet? |
| 14:05.53 | babilen | Dext: Why do you need a DVD image? |
| 14:05.55 | Dext | lol babilen I am talking to you so yes |
| 14:06.00 | Dext | to install Debian? :o |
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| 14:06.20 | babilen | Dext: You mean that you /are not/ connected to the internet during the installation? |
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| 14:06.26 | Dext | I am connected |
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| 14:07.21 | babilen | Dext: In that case you can use the netinstall image as you'll be able to download needed software from the internet during the installation. In particular I would recommend to use the kmuto installer which comes with a newer kernel and firmware that is needed for your hardware. |
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| 14:08.08 | Dext | babilen maybe you got me wrong |
| 14:08.20 | babilen | Dext: You can get it from the link in "/msg dpkg kmuto" and you can read more about the installation of Debian and how that pertains to firmware in "/msg dpkg installer firmware", "/msg dpkg ig" and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/installation.html |
| 14:08.21 | Dext | I just need a dvd image of debian that's all |
| 14:08.51 | babilen | Dext: Then why don't you download one? |
| 14:09.17 | SiDz | i downloaded the sources of ratbox-services to check the rules file... cause i want to install the latest version manualy, but i dont get the rules file as i have 3 flavor, mysql, pgsql, and mysql, i want the ./configure options used for the mysql flavor/savior |
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| 14:09.29 | SiDz | the question is, can someone give me a clue on that |
| 14:09.38 | SiDz | let me show u the rules file. give me some sec |
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| 14:09.45 | babilen | Dext: I am merely telling you that you don't need a DVD image as you can download everything you need from the internet/online repositories. |
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| 14:10.47 | SiDz | heres the rules file http://paste.debian.net/210970/ |
| 14:11.06 | SiDz | i want all configuration options used to compile the mysql "savior" |
| 14:11.17 | SiDz | flavour i mean:P |
| 14:11.19 | Dext | babilen |
| 14:11.25 | Dext | I need a dvd image to install it indeed |
| 14:11.26 | babilen | Dext: If you want DVD images you can download them from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:11.29 | Dext | on the virtualbox |
| 14:11.50 | Dext | my concern was: |
| 14:12.04 | Dext | what's the difference between DVD-1 DVD-2 DVD-3 ecc? |
| 14:12.30 | jelly-home | they have different stuff on them, for people with no internet access? |
| 14:12.48 | babilen | Dext: No you don't -- The netinst image contains /everything/ that is needed to install a minimal Debian system. CD1 everything that is needed for a minimal one + standard system. If you plan to install Gnome and Xorg you'll need DVD1, if you want to use LXDE or XFCE the CD1 flavour in question is enough. |
| 14:12.56 | wols | Dext: a full debian binary repository with all packages doesn't fit on a single DVD. |
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| 14:13.09 | SiDz | anyone can give me a clue?:) |
| 14:13.20 | Dext | wols: how about I just want to install debian without all the repos? :\ |
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| 14:13.28 | babilen | Dext: You can still download /everything/ from online repositories even during the installation. The installer is /exactly/ the same on all images. |
| 14:13.44 | babilen | StefanM: Ok, back to your problem. Give me a second to investigate please. |
| 14:13.48 | Dext | babilen: so I can just opt for a cd image instead of a DVD right? |
| 14:13.52 | wols | SiDz: line 18-23 looks pretty clear to me. you should however do a backport. not simply compile it yourself |
| 14:14.11 | SiDz | im using wheezy |
| 14:14.14 | wols | SiDz: what version of ratbox do you want? |
| 14:14.29 | SiDz | the latest from svn have chanfix |
| 14:14.36 | SiDz | ratbox-services |
| 14:14.53 | SiDz | i also recompiled ircd-ratbox cause gnutls isnt working fine... with ssl links |
| 14:14.56 | wols | !tell SiDz about simply sid backport |
| 14:15.08 | wols | !tell SiDz about simple sid backport |
| 14:15.13 | SiDz | the problem is ratbox-service is compiled without the --enable-chanfix |
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| 14:15.30 | babilen | !tell SiDz -about package recompile |
| 14:15.51 | babilen | SiDz: If you believe that many people want that file a bug please. |
| 14:16.02 | SiDz | for eggdrop and ircd thing i prefer to compile manualy;p |
| 14:16.49 | SiDz | but i guess i have everything i need at line 18-23 |
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| 14:17.39 | SiDz | babilen the ratbox-services version in sid and wheezy doesn't have chanfix |
| 14:17.43 | babilen | StefanM: I can find absolutely no trace of liblvm2clusterlock.so in Debian or Ubuntu. Are you sure that it is needed? What is the actual error you are trying to fix? |
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| 14:18.09 | babilen | SiDz: Yeah, you mentioned that. If you believe that this is an error and should be fixed file a bug against the package (wishlist) |
| 14:18.36 | SiDz | not fixed but updated:P |
| 14:19.13 | babilen | SiDz: Well, you know how to fix it yourself in the Debian package now :) |
| 14:19.47 | SiDz | i cant just recompile the source and remake a dpkg... that version dont have chanfix |
| 14:19.57 | SiDz | a pkg i meant |
| 14:20.08 | SiDz | root@DonSiD:~/ratbox-services-1.2.4/ratbox-services-1.2.4# ./configure --help |grep chanfix |
| 14:20.09 | SiDz | root@DonSiD:~/ratbox-services-1.2.4/ratbox-services-1.2.4# |
| 14:20.12 | SiDz | that is the sid source |
| 14:20.29 | babilen | SiDz: So you need a newer version than the one in sid? |
| 14:20.35 | SiDz | exact |
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| 14:22.01 | SiDz | the svn version is still 1.2.4 but have more stuff |
| 14:22.30 | babilen | SiDz: AFAICT 1.2.4 is the lates stable release |
| 14:22.50 | StefanM | babilen: on second thought I believe it is only needed for locking type 2 and I will be using type 3. I have moved beyond this error now and will have to build lvm2 from the source package to enable cmirrord. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631939 |
| 14:23.08 | StefanM | babilen: commenting the locking_library out helped me move on. |
| 14:23.14 | StefanM | did not need it at all. |
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| 14:23.20 | StefanM | since locking type 3 is internal locking |
| 14:23.29 | babilen | StefanM: What do you mean by "I have moved beyond this error now" ? Does it mean that the bug is no longer valid and can be closed? |
| 14:23.42 | StefanM | babilen: no the bug is valid for people wanting to use locking type 2 |
| 14:23.48 | StefanM | does not apply to me |
| 14:24.02 | StefanM | --with-cluster=shared |
| 14:24.06 | StefanM | I use --with-cluster=internal |
| 14:24.16 | babilen | StefanM: Would you mind writing to both of those bug reports and to supply a bit more information about it? |
| 14:24.28 | StefanM | I will do my best |
| 14:24.43 | babilen | StefanM: They seem to be a bit overlooked and a little "ping" or "this is why this is important" might be good |
| 14:24.52 | StefanM | yes it is very overlooked. |
| 14:24.54 | StefanM | thank you |
| 14:25.00 | babilen | StefanM: No, thank you! |
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| 14:26.35 | StefanM | -r-xr-xr-x 1 stemid stemid 14487 20 nov 15.26 liblvm2clusterlock.so |
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| 14:26.38 | zxcvbn_ | how do know what actual amount of RAM do I have on machine? looking at /proc/meminfo says "MemTotal: 2721560 kB". Is that possible to have 2.7G? AFAIK, real memory is 4gb (1 slot) DDR3. Where is all my memory? |
| 14:26.43 | StefanM | but I don't need it anymore, just compiled it for the bug report |
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| 14:29.52 | nsadmin | no one gets to write to that |
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| 14:38.21 | niels1 | zxcvbn_, try "free" and "top". also, maybe add the amount of highmem, if your system is using that |
| 14:39.07 | wols | zxcvbn_: are you running a 32bit version? does your motherboard or cpu have integrated graphics? |
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| 14:39.58 | wols | zxcvbn_: you can also run decode-dimms |
| 14:40.01 | zxcvbn_ | yes, 32 bit. cpu has integrated graphics. (can it be more than 64/128mb?) |
| 14:40.24 | wols | yes it can be much more than 128MB |
| 14:40.41 | zxcvbn_ | apt-get "cannot locate package decode-dimms" |
| 14:41.16 | nsadmin | , v decode-dimms |
| 14:41.18 | judd | No package named 'decode-dimms' was found in i386. |
| 14:41.27 | wols | use apt-file then to search for it. or packages.debian.org |
| 14:41.48 | nsadmin | or read one line above :) |
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| 14:42.10 | babilen | ,file bin/decode-dimms |
| 14:42.18 | judd | Search for bin/decode-dimms in squeeze/i386: i2c-tools: usr/bin/decode-dimms |
| 14:42.38 | babilen | Also: apt-file search -x "bin/decode-dimms$" |
| 14:42.42 | nsadmin | oh, i2ctools |
| 14:43.54 | zxcvbn_ | thanks. installed i2ctools and loaded "modprobe eeprom". decode-dimms result: "Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 0:" |
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| 14:48.08 | zxcvbn_ | Btw, htop screenshot: http://s7.postimage.org/vs6klye97/omv_htop.jpg . About PAE: cat /proc/cpuinfo - "pae" flag exists in "flag" section. /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 file - contains "CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y" and "CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y" lines. My kernel is /boot/ vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-486. |
| 14:48.44 | Rusty1 | why would su - username -c startx in /etc/rc.local not work in a login managerless setup? (chmod +x done) |
| 14:48.59 | Rusty1 | just get login prompt |
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| 14:52.10 | Dext | when I am installing debian it's asking me to install the DNS server package, what's that for? |
| 14:53.04 | nsadmin | the session is exiting |
| 14:53.13 | nsadmin | that's why you go back to login |
| 14:53.54 | nsadmin | why is it asking you to do that? |
| 14:54.17 | nsadmin | a dns server resolves domain names (like www.debian.org) |
| 14:54.21 | Rusty1 | need to put the line under exit 0 |
| 14:54.44 | niels1 | zxcvbn_, also have a look at the memory map the kernel detects in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 14:55.01 | nsadmin | under exit 0? you'd never get to anything below an exit |
| 14:55.12 | Rusty1 | er comment out exit 0 or write something intellingent in the script :-) |
| 14:55.24 | nsadmin | or that :) |
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| 15:04.06 | babilen | Dext: It offers you to install it and you almost certainly don't need it. (it would install bind9) -- See 6.3.5.2. Selecting and Installing Software on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software for a very short summary of the offered tasks |
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| 15:06.13 | s3a | How do I find out which version of javascript iceweasel and chromium use? |
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| 15:07.34 | wols | there is no "version of javascript" |
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| 15:07.44 | jhutchins_wk | wols: Sure there is. |
| 15:07.56 | s3a | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javascript says stable release: 1.8.5 |
| 15:08.47 | wols | javascript is a morass of private and proprietary extensions. everyone use this "1.8.5" in current browsers. it just won't help you a bit |
| 15:08.48 | s3a | i'd like to know which versions are implemented (or whatever the correct terminology is) in those two browsers |
| 15:09.20 | wols | the actual standard is usually ECMAScript, not Javascript |
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| 15:09.47 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javascript#Versions |
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| 15:12.12 | s3a | ok the STANDARD is ECMAScript but the VERSION is 1.8.5 since iceweasel/firefox 4 based on that link you gave me and I'm guessing it's the same for chromium 22 but, isn't there a way to see this for myself using the browsers to check? |
| 15:13.02 | s3a | woleium, |
| 15:13.04 | s3a | wols, |
| 15:13.09 | s3a | not woleium |
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| 15:15.12 | Gabtendo | They told me I was crazy. That I liked knots too much. I said "Why (k)not?: http://i.stack.imgur.com/aqDAR.jpg " |
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| 15:17.15 | babilen | Gabtendo: Take it elsewhere, thank you. |
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| 15:27.39 | pskosinski | There are 50 torrent files: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/ Why? o_O What is difference? |
| 15:28.16 | babilen | pskosinski: Those CDs contain different packages. The entire set contains /all/ packages in the Debian archive -- What are /you/ trying to do? |
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| 15:28.31 | pskosinski | I;m trying to seed in free time ^^ |
| 15:29.31 | babilen | pskosinski: I would seed the netinst + the various CD1s (default, KDE, XFCE/LXDE, ..) + DVD1 + BD1 -- If you want to seed more add CDs/DVDs/BDs as you see fit. |
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| 15:29.42 | pskosinski | ok, ty |
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| 15:35.56 | fredb_ | Hi guys, I have a Debian 6 image running in a VMware VM, I'm trying to install wajig with apt-get but get the message "404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]". How can I fix this? |
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| 15:39.21 | confusid | I just changed PermitRootLogin to no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but now I go to /etc/init.d/ and there is only ssh no sshd. Is this correct? I thought I had to have ssh and sshd in there. |
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| 15:40.35 | jelly-home | confusid: that is correct, the service name is "ssh" |
| 15:40.51 | confusid | so both have just been consolidated to one? |
| 15:41.13 | jelly-home | confusid: there never was an /etc/init.d/sshd in Debian as far as I know |
| 15:41.23 | confusid | ty :) |
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| 15:53.43 | carmelo_ | hi |
| 15:54.05 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 15:54.22 | carmelo_ | i'm using gnome3 on debian wheezy and i cant install/configure the printer 'cause i've disabled the root password (i use sudo) |
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| 15:54.49 | nsadmin | is something asking you for the root passwd? |
| 15:54.59 | nsadmin | do you use cups? |
| 15:55.02 | carmelo_ | when i connect via firefox to local port 631 i enter user and pwd to configure cups and i get 'forbidden' |
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| 15:56.05 | carmelo_ | Nanuq: i use cups. firefox asks me the user an password. i tried using root and then my normal user as 'User' , for the pasword i used always the same but it doesnt work |
| 15:56.12 | carmelo_ | nsadmin: |
| 15:56.22 | carmelo_ | * |
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| 15:57.31 | carmelo_ | it's a fresh install. The procedure worked well on another pc some days ago, but that pc has root account enabled |
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| 15:58.16 | carmelo_ | on this pc i use "sudo bash" to access the root account. i also tried using firefox via root account and it still dowesnt work |
| 15:58.28 | nsadmin | yeah you're right, it wants the root passwd |
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| 15:58.57 | carmelo_ | nsadmin: yes, but how can i do? root has _no_ passwod |
| 15:59.33 | nsadmin | you can either... try to find out how cups can use sudo... or turn the root oasswd back on |
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| 15:59.38 | ChrisH | carmelo_: give root a pw |
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| 16:00.04 | carmelo_ | ChrisH: and then? how can i disable it after i've configured cups ? |
| 16:00.15 | ChrisH | sudo -i |
| 16:00.18 | ChrisH | passwd root |
| 16:00.20 | nsadmin | and. I think it's be the latter that gets you the joy |
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| 16:01.19 | carmelo_ | ChrisH: i know how to give root a password. the problem is: HOW can i remove back the root password then? |
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| 16:02.43 | ChrisH | carmelo_: do you mean root without PW and login without PW or NO login as root at all? show the root entry in /etc/shadow please |
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| 16:04.10 | carmelo_ | ChrisH: i mean using "sudo bash" to access the root account. i want to assign a pwd to root, then configure cupsd and then remove the root pwd as it was before |
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| 16:04.58 | ChrisH | carmelo_: do you mean root without PW and login without PW or NO login as root at all? show the root entry in /etc/shadow please |
| 16:05.03 | carmelo_ | ChrisH: shadow contains a "!" |
| 16:05.16 | ChrisH | carmelo_: then use vi to gat the ! back there |
| 16:05.28 | ChrisH | or vipw -s |
| 16:05.31 | carmelo_ | ok |
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| 16:08.04 | carmelo_ | (wow, using 'Alt+Tab' on gnome3 is a real mess , lol) |
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| 16:08.44 | SiDz | /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL is eating 99% of my cpu, but when i go in /usr/local i dont have a apache directory |
| 16:08.53 | SiDz | it happen sometime and i have to kill the process |
| 16:09.06 | SiDz | im on wheezy |
| 16:09.53 | carmelo_ | ChrisH: ok, it works good, thanks :) |
| 16:10.15 | zykotick9 | carmelo_: i'd recommend against using "sudo bash". try "sudo -i" instead (sets enviornment up better). |
| 16:10.33 | babilen | carmelo_: (wow, you can install extenstions that change the behaviour from https://extensions.gnome.org/) |
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| 16:11.34 | babilen | casheew: Just search for "tab" and you will be offered a bunch of alternatives) |
| 16:12.30 | bluesm | Is there tool to send post variables to the server, say in lynx. |
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| 16:13.38 | jelly-home | bluesm: curl can do it |
| 16:14.08 | jelly-home | wget too |
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| 16:16.25 | magyar | i have an id_rsa private key, can I append other openss private keys to this file? |
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| 16:17.22 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, question |
| 16:17.57 | Ephexeve | Just install Debian squeeze, working very nice, tried installing chromium, but I see it's an old version, http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/52925 I wonder if I can follow this |
| 16:18.05 | Ephexeve | and it wouldn't do any damange to the system |
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| 16:19.37 | ChrisH | ,v chromium |
| 16:19.39 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 22.0.1229.94~r161065-3; wheezy: 22.0.1229.94~r161065-3 |
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| 16:20.19 | Ephexeve | Anyone? |
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| 16:20.47 | ChrisH | Ephexeve: I would not mix a Ubuntu repo into my debian stable |
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| 16:21.02 | Ephexeve | ChrisH: Indeed, so Iwonder now.. |
| 16:21.03 | Ephexeve | Hmmm |
| 16:21.05 | fredb_ | Guys, I have a new BeagleBone, have plugged it into my Windows 7 64 bit laptop, installed the driver, board powers up and there's some LED activity but the board is not showing up as a flash drive in my file explorer, and I can't connect to the local web address either. What steps can I take to try and get this to work? |
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| 16:21.38 | txomon|nqas | anyone knows about how to enable kernel crash dumps in debian? I haven't found the lkcd utils in repos |
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| 16:22.59 | ChrisH | Ephexeve: You could check the backports for a newer version, but the line judd pasted does not look like there is one. You might consider upgrading your squeeze to wheezy |
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| 16:23.23 | angrycaracal_ | Hi. |
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| 16:25.01 | Ephexeve | ChrisH: yeah, but I don't think wheezy is stable enough |
| 16:25.04 | Ephexeve | for my work and stuff |
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| 16:26.33 | wols | Ephexeve: do a backport? |
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| 16:26.53 | Ephexeve | wols: How? New to debian, arch user here |
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| 16:28.05 | Ephexeve | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=66964 <- I was think to do this |
| 16:28.08 | Ephexeve | you think this is fine? |
| 16:28.14 | babilen | I guess that backporting chromium will be a pain in the arse |
| 16:28.29 | babilen | ,checkbackport chromium |
| 16:28.45 | judd | Backporting package chromium in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.6, gyp (>= 0.1~svn1119), libcups2-dev (>= 1.5.0), libwebp-dev, libv8-dev (>= 3.8). |
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| 16:29.01 | jelly-home | you can always install Google's non-free, tracking-happy build |
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| 16:29.33 | babilen | Ephexeve: fwiw, I would either use iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net or upgrade to wheezy -- backporting chromium looks like a lot of work. |
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| 16:29.51 | Ephexeve | babilen: is wheezy stable enough? |
| 16:29.53 | babilen | (well, or follow jelly-home's suggestion to use google-chrome) |
| 16:30.01 | Ephexeve | I really don't feel like breaking the system nad having to fix it |
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| 16:30.07 | Ephexeve | done this for 3 years now with arch |
| 16:30.13 | jelly-home | Ephexeve: it's probably more stable than anything Arch gives out! |
| 16:30.16 | jelly-home | hides |
| 16:30.26 | babilen | Ephexeve: Whatfor? (and "stable" in the context of Debian means "not changing", nothing else) |
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| 16:30.48 | Ephexeve | babilen: is wheeze using gnome3 already? |
| 16:30.54 | Ephexeve | I like stable because of that |
| 16:30.55 | Ephexeve | gnome2 :) |
| 16:31.19 | babilen | Ephexeve: And testing (wheezy) is currently frozen. We still have a couple of bugs (/msg dpkg rc bugs), but *I* would consider it usable/stable (in the sense of "not broken") enough for *personal* use |
| 16:31.31 | babilen | Ephexeve: Yes, wheezy is shipping Gnome3 |
| 16:31.44 | Ephexeve | babilen: No option for gnome2? |
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| 16:32.02 | babilen | Ephexeve: No |
| 16:32.26 | babilen | Ephexeve: Use something non-Gnome (XFCE is a common choice) or make friends with Gnome 3 + extensions |
| 16:32.48 | Ephexeve | Yeah, I was using xfce4 for a while |
| 16:32.55 | Some_Person | Ephexeve: You could use MATE |
| 16:32.58 | Some_Person | it's a fork of GNOME 2 |
| 16:33.01 | Ephexeve | damn, gnome3 is totally not for me |
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| 16:33.22 | Ulfalizer | i'm trying to set up debugging with libstdc++ debug info. unfortunately, the libstdc++6-4.6-dbg package only seems to include debug symbols and not sources, and uses awkward paths (/build/buildd/...) in the debug info. anyone know of an easier way? |
| 16:33.35 | Some_Person | Ephexeve: http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 16:33.43 | sledges | please thumbs up for Jolla! GNU/Linux smartphone developer,reviving fun-rich MeeGo codebase/N9 experience! http://www.tosielamandiili.fi/peukutus.shtml (press Tyykaa under logo) - they need your votes to beat rival which gained 4k votes over 1 night :( poll closes soon & Jolla is presenting UI and SDK tomorrow at #slush12 |
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| 16:33.52 | sledges | apologies for spamming, but it's for the sake of FOSS in our hands in the shape of a smartphone |
| 16:34.06 | Ephexeve | Let me see |
| 16:34.06 | Ulfalizer | the debug info also includes relative paths, which makes things even messier :/ |
| 16:34.07 | bluesm | jelly-home: Thanks!! |
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| 16:34.48 | Some_Person | Ephexeve: They have a repo for debian, and it's basically GNOME 2 with a new name and a few minor changes |
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| 16:35.19 | jelly-home | what about that cinnamon thing? |
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| 16:37.29 | babilen | Some_Person: It is also completely unsupported by us/Debian |
| 16:37.42 | Some_Person | babilen: Did I ever say it was? |
| 16:38.35 | babilen | Ephexeve: If you want gnome2 don't use Debian |
| 16:38.44 | babilen | Some_Person: No, but I wanted to make it explicit |
| 16:38.54 | Ephexeve | babilen: uh? |
| 16:39.10 | babilen | Ephexeve: (Debian testing+ that is) |
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| 16:39.41 | Ephexeve | babilen: Ah yes |
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| 16:39.49 | angrycaracal_ | Hi, what's the release date of Debian wheezy ( stable ) |
| 16:39.53 | babilen | !wwwr |
| 16:39.54 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 16:42.29 | babilen | sledges: Please refrain such actions in the future. Thank you. |
| 16:43.03 | SiDz | /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL is eating 99% of my cpu, but when i go in /usr/local i dont have a apache directory, any idea whats happening? |
| 16:43.33 | ChrisH | SiDz: someone did delete it |
| 16:44.08 | babilen | SiDz: Somebody installed an unsupported Apache version on your box and deleted the binaries after starting a process. |
| 16:44.12 | SiDz | well i have 4 debian box with apache and none have /usr/local/apache |
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| 16:45.20 | Chousuke | I would be slightly worried. :/ |
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| 16:45.42 | sledges | will do, I think that's the only time I did such thing fwiw |
| 16:45.43 | SiDz | i installed apache2 with apt-get. |
| 16:45.43 | mllie | Hello |
| 16:45.45 | talexb | I wondering where biosdevname is .. apt-cache doesn't seem to see it .. |
| 16:45.59 | Chousuke | have you installed anything outside of the package manager? |
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| 16:46.36 | mllie | At first |
| 16:46.48 | babilen | SiDz: You really shouldn't have /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd if you only used apt-get |
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| 16:47.19 | Chousuke | is this a server machine or a desktop? |
| 16:47.36 | SiDz | only thing installed without apt-get are some eggdrop and ircd-ratbox |
| 16:47.38 | SiDz | server |
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| 16:47.55 | mllie | How do I do to automount some usb hdds? To mount them now I do like this: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /media/usb0 -o uid=martin |
| 16:48.12 | SiDz | if i dont kill the process it will keep eating up 90-99% of the cpu |
| 16:48.28 | SiDz | i dont even get how that process can run as /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd dont exist |
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| 16:48.33 | Chousuke | SiDz: you could try stopping it. |
| 16:48.39 | Delf | How do I make use of a wins server in Debian? |
| 16:48.51 | Chousuke | SiDz: whoever started it could've deleted the file afterwards |
| 16:48.52 | Delf | TO resolve hostnames to ip# on the lan. |
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| 16:49.12 | Delf | Dynamic ip#s, not static |
| 16:49.37 | SiDz | that is what im doign every time. killing it, but id like to know how to stop that happening |
| 16:49.41 | justin_ | Delf: don't use wins. |
| 16:49.46 | ChrisH | Delf: to resolv IPs use DNS |
| 16:50.06 | Delf | But I don't know how to set up a DNS server that can resolve hostnames on the lan to ip# |
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| 16:50.15 | Chousuke | SiDz: honestly, if you have no idea how the process even got there in the first place, your computer may have been compromised. |
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| 16:50.28 | justin_ | Delf: ping hostname.local |
| 16:50.48 | ChrisH | Delf: google for bind9 howto Debian defaults to a working skeleton on BIND9 config |
| 16:50.56 | justin_ | ChrisH: bind? no. |
| 16:51.06 | Delf | Please don't fight. |
| 16:52.07 | Chousuke | do you have a router that does NAT? you may be able to run dnsmasq on it |
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| 16:53.50 | ChrisH | justin_: what else if not bind? Not fighting, just asking for alternative options |
| 16:54.05 | Delf | Oh ok. I've caused people to fight before. |
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| 16:54.23 | justin_ | ChrisH: multicast dns(which is probably already working). or dnsmasq |
| 16:55.24 | Delf | It works! ping hostname.local |
| 16:55.35 | ChrisH | justin_: I had dnsmasq once for ugly SyncML 1.2 clients... I need a full featured DNS Server and therefore stick to bind. |
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| 17:04.49 | Delf | On my Debian machines it works, but not on the Linux Mint "Debian" Edition :P |
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| 17:05.35 | ChrisH | justin_: BTW, what is multicast dns? |
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| 17:07.00 | justin_ | bonjour, avahai |
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| 17:18.14 | ChrisH | justin_: uah.. I was expecting that. avahai is something I usually uninstall quite early after installation |
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| 17:20.34 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 17:21.03 | Bartzy | I constantly need to do 'dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf' and choose 'yes' , because the symlink from /etc/resolv.conf to the dynamic one - is missing after a laptop sleep. |
| 17:21.04 | Bartzy | Any idea ? |
| 17:21.09 | Bartzy | this is really annoying. |
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| 17:24.26 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, where is the download link for wheezy? |
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| 17:24.33 | Ephexeve | Cannot find in the page O_o |
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| 17:25.19 | mtn | Ephexeve: I always use a search engine to solve this kind of problem. :P |
| 17:25.54 | babilen | Ephexeve: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or download the images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta3/ |
| 17:25.58 | Ephexeve | mtn: indeed, but I end up in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ debian-installer? |
| 17:26.20 | Ephexeve | Hmmm I see, I thought the link was wrong "debian-installer" sounds like ubuntu windows installer to me :p |
| 17:26.21 | Richlv | oooh. just as i was asking this, turns out, for package names version is taken from the changelog... ouch |
| 17:26.26 | babilen | mtn: Heresy! Why would Ephexeve do work himself/herself if (s)he can offload it to random strangers on the internet? |
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| 17:26.48 | mtn | babilen: I know! What is the fun in that? |
| 17:26.54 | Ephexeve | hahaha |
| 17:26.56 | babilen | Ephexeve: Sometimes it helps to actually read a page ;) |
| 17:27.30 | Ephexeve | babilen: Yeah, just in a hurry, since i installed squeeze, and now need to go to wheezy, and got some deadline in a few hours |
| 17:27.33 | Ephexeve | so whop whop |
| 17:27.42 | Ephexeve | though, thanks |
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| 17:27.54 | mtn | Ephexeve: upgrade instead of reinstall? |
| 17:28.02 | babilen | Ephexeve: You can also upgrade squeeze to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy), but a new install might be easier/faster. |
| 17:28.16 | Ephexeve | Indeed, that's why the new install |
| 17:28.23 | babilen | *might* |
| 17:28.36 | Ephexeve | I don't have time to do this stuff, while it installs, I can do some paper work |
| 17:29.16 | ToeTag | By the way, the testing installer blows donkeys |
| 17:29.32 | ToeTag | I would strongly advise against using the wheezy installer or the weekly testing image |
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| 17:29.58 | ToeTag | Build the smallest <squeeze> you can and then update that bad boy to track testing, THEN install your desktop, etc |
| 17:29.59 | babilen | ToeTag: Why is that? |
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| 17:30.28 | jelly-home | ToeTag: have you reported said donkeys to the bts, or at least to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net? |
| 17:30.39 | babilen | ToeTag: "blows donkeys" is a very bad bug report full of innuendo (completely out of place) |
| 17:30.45 | Ephexeve | Installing this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta3/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 17:30.51 | Ephexeve | I hope it's correct: Debian wheezy |
| 17:30.57 | ToeTag | babilen: I have done about 8 installs off of the <testing> (weekly) and <wheezy>, it's very not finished yet |
| 17:31.13 | ToeTag | The installs completed but multitudes of packages were broken |
| 17:31.16 | Ephexeve | since they say "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the wheezy Beta3 release of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for wheezy Beta3:" |
| 17:31.16 | babilen | Ephexeve: As I said earlier: I would recommend to get the image with firmware (second link I gave you) ... But yeah, you want the beta3 |
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| 17:31.29 | Ephexeve | babilen: Ah ok |
| 17:31.36 | Ephexeve | will do, that's the "firmaware thing"? |
| 17:31.55 | babilen | ToeTag: Can you please be more specific. I am surrounded by two boxes running wheezy that were installed using the beta3 installer I haven't had any problems. |
| 17:32.03 | babilen | !tell Ephexeve -about firmware |
| 17:32.07 | babilen | !tell Ephexeve -about installer firmware |
| 17:32.22 | jelly-home | babilen: you're flanked by wheezy? |
| 17:32.44 | babilen | laughs |
| 17:32.48 | jelly-home | caught in a whezzy pincer |
| 17:32.49 | babilen | (and keeps on fighting) |
| 17:32.55 | jelly-home | whee |
| 17:33.14 | ToeTag | babilen: Do they have desktops installed? |
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| 17:34.25 | babilen | ToeTag: I've installed a couple of (meta-)packages that you would probably consider to be "desktops" (xfce4, gnome-session, ...) |
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| 17:35.00 | babilen | ToeTag: But seriosly: Either you tell us *exactly* what went wrong (preferrably with output + additional information gathered by reportbug on the box in question) or we can stop right here. |
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| 17:36.08 | babilen | But triaging that bug has to wait and I will be back later. Good luck! |
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| 17:36.09 | ToeTag | babilen: It's not to be facetious - I just can't list all the problems, the biggest were none of network manager worked inside of XFCE (and by the way I am very familiar with Debian Networking) AND the bugs are documented |
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| 17:36.39 | ToeTag | None of the <power> related commands were available to non-root users (this one might have been cleared up) |
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| 17:37.05 | ToeTag | Silly things like the crappy pdf reader that XFCE ships with wouldn't render anything longer than 4 pages |
| 17:37.08 | ToeTag | etc etc |
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| 17:37.38 | jelly-home | you've scared him away |
| 17:37.57 | ToeTag | this was off the beta 2 installer and/or <testing> at that time - it may very well be fixed now but for any 'critical' system just start with squeeze which we know is more solid than trees made out of lead |
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| 17:40.39 | ToeTag | Debian Testing thug life |
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| 17:40.53 | gnarface | brb |
| 17:40.58 | ToeTag | jelly-home: what IRC client are you using? |
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| 17:41.16 | ToeTag | I had to turn off the join/leave nonsense for mine eyes could not see the actual talk |
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| 17:42.09 | jelly-home | ToeTag: xchat, and I too have the joins/parts/quits switched off in _this_ particular channel |
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| 17:42.47 | jelly-home | but I cheated and saw him leaving over on #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:43.14 | ToeTag | If I could change the world in one way, it would be to make IRC active |
| 17:43.26 | ToeTag | From what I understand this is a ghosttown compared to the past |
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| 17:43.37 | ToeTag | I've never seen anyone say anything in offtopic |
| 17:43.58 | ToeTag | I would LOVE to be rowdy all day and be flamboyant debian fanboys with some bros but nobody is ever in there |
| 17:44.25 | engla | by that, you mean like lewd jokes |
| 17:44.30 | engla | and flames |
| 17:44.45 | format_c | Tod |
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| 17:44.58 | format_c | Montag |
| 17:45.18 | format_c | Grr |
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| 17:45.34 | jelly-home | I guess xfce DE is slightly less than usable at the moment |
| 17:45.47 | engla | why, jelly-home ? |
| 17:45.55 | ToeTag | jelly-home: it was ridiculous for me |
| 17:45.58 | jelly-home | engla: see above |
| 17:46.32 | jelly-home | I never see actual issues users have with installers... this machine was installed in 2001 |
| 17:46.34 | ToeTag | HOWEVER, after starting with a minimal <squeeze> install and bringing that up to <testing> I have a rock solid <testing> XFCE now |
| 17:46.39 | format_c | Tried Top Say that i am always in off topic Wien i am at home |
| 17:46.52 | engla | oh ok |
| 17:46.56 | engla | xfce on wheezy works fine |
| 17:47.30 | ToeTag | engla: But it was agreed earlier that the <testing> installer and at least the <wheezy> beta2 most likely blow donkeys |
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| 17:48.05 | engla | its sexuality is fine to me as long as it does its job |
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| 17:48.55 | ToeTag | how dare you |
| 17:49.08 | ectospasm | I didn't have any problems installing wheezy the last two times I did it (last week) |
| 17:49.21 | ectospasm | don't know if it was the beta2 installer... |
| 17:49.29 | raptor67682 | hi |
| 17:49.33 | ToeTag | Yeah my arguments are null, I haven't touched the testing weekly or betas for about 3 weeks now |
| 17:49.35 | raptor67682 | i have a crash with mutt |
| 17:49.41 | ToeTag | Forget that noise, I'm not wasting more time |
| 17:49.47 | raptor67682 | how to know the time idle of ps of mutt ? |
| 17:49.47 | ectospasm | only problem I had with it was that I couldn't choose expert mode (because the IT guy at work didn't set up the PXE boot that way) |
| 17:49.59 | raptor67682 | I aim to pkill it after 1hour of inactivity. |
| 17:50.04 | raptor67682 | how would be possible? |
| 17:50.18 | engla | does it contribute anything to test the wheezy installer on virtualbox? I guess it's already been done lots of times |
| 17:51.07 | ToeTag | Install it on your wristwatch dual booted with gentoo |
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| 17:52.15 | hanasaki | what do you prefer for secure smtp? ssl? tls? port 587 or port 465? |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | 465 |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | ssl |
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| 17:52.46 | simonlnu | tls is 25; ssl port is deprecated and 465 |
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| 17:53.11 | ToeTag | ssl deprecated? |
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| 17:53.19 | simonlnu | using that port... |
| 17:53.36 | abrotman | 465 and ssl |
| 17:53.48 | ToeTag | All of your certs are belong to us |
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| 17:56.09 | hanasaki | is looking at the settings in thunderbird ssl/tls default 465 : starttls default 587 |
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| 17:56.57 | hanasaki | simonlnu: so ssl on what port is deprecated and what is the NEW port? |
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| 17:58.00 | abrotman | hanasaki: use ssl on 465 |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | how many times should i say it? |
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| 17:58.28 | hanasaki | thanks... |
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| 17:59.31 | phox|away | hey. wondering what would cause this: -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) |
| 17:59.34 | Prior | how would i get an usb-lan-card towork with debian squeeze? |
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| 18:01.11 | wols | Prior: what's the USB ID? |
| 18:01.20 | Prior | whats an USB ID? |
| 18:01.27 | wols | run lsusb |
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| 18:01.38 | Prior | command not found |
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| 18:02.19 | Prior | what do i need to install? |
| 18:02.21 | hanasaki | is looking at dovecot which appears to say ssl is "old" and use "starttls" on port 587 ... http://wiki2.dovecot.org/SSL |
| 18:02.24 | wols | usbutils |
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| 18:03.25 | simonlnu | hanasaki: ignore it. start_tls is on 25. it's an smtp command to initiate encrypted connection. |
| 18:03.49 | Prior | wols: please hold on - i need to get the files to the machine (it currently has no internet connection) |
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| 18:04.09 | zxcvbn_ | but default ssl port was always 995 |
| 18:04.17 | ToeTag | 666 |
| 18:04.22 | simonlnu | smtp not imap |
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| 18:04.44 | hanasaki | abrotman: and simonlnu : so that starttls and sticking to port 25 or 465 would be a common and most current standard? |
| 18:04.50 | zxcvbn_ | question was about smtp |
| 18:04.59 | ToeTag | 8675309 |
| 18:05.03 | simonlnu | hanasaki: yes. |
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| 18:05.13 | simonlnu | zxcvbn_: and you gave the imaps port ;) |
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| 18:05.21 | zxcvbn_ | uhm. :) |
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| 18:05.51 | ToeTag | My ISP blocks most default ports |
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| 18:06.38 | crypticmofo | are there any active mailing list i should know about so i can stay in teh loops |
| 18:06.46 | crypticmofo | s/loops/loop/ |
| 18:06.55 | ToeTag | for debian? |
| 18:07.03 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 18:07.03 | simonlnu | just fyi, but i run it both on 25 and 465. but the vast majority of encrypted and unencrypted connections happen on 25 |
| 18:07.15 | ToeTag | like security updates? |
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| 18:07.23 | crypticmofo | or bugs |
| 18:07.23 | abrotman | personally, i'd block 25 if it were my server |
| 18:07.30 | ToeTag | http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
| 18:07.32 | abrotman | and require auth for everything outbound |
| 18:07.41 | crypticmofo | yea ToeTag im looking at that |
| 18:07.46 | jelly-home | hanasaki: it depends on whether you're talking about traffic between two SMTP servers, or traffic between and end user submitting mail via his mail server. |
| 18:07.53 | ToeTag | probably subscribe to debian-chinese-gb |
| 18:07.58 | crypticmofo | lol |
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| 18:08.21 | Gabtendo | is there a web plugin for okular in Debian's repos? |
| 18:08.31 | ToeTag | debian-security-announce |
| 18:08.32 | Gabtendo | is there a web plugin for okular in Debian's repos? |
| 18:08.34 | ToeTag | and debian-security |
| 18:08.52 | hanasaki | jelly-home: need to consider both... what do you think for between smtp servers and what for client to smtp server to send a mail?> |
| 18:09.03 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | hanasaki: do you understand ho0w email works? |
| 18:09.19 | jelly-home | hanasaki: traffic between SMTP servers is always done over tcp/25, and may or may not use STARTTLS. Sending mail is done via "submission" service, port 587, using STARTTLS. Port 465 is deprecated. |
| 18:09.21 | simonlnu | obviously not |
| 18:09.35 | jelly-home | erm |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | port 465 is not deprecated |
| 18:09.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes it is. |
| 18:09.52 | abrotman | says who? |
| 18:09.56 | hanasaki | abrotman: yes... |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | plenty of people use it and recommend it |
| 18:10.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: they shouldn't really |
| 18:10.29 | abrotman | it's better than 587/tls |
| 18:10.35 | jelly-home | nope |
| 18:10.43 | abrotman | and why not? |
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| 18:11.00 | abrotman | other than depending on SSL to do that |
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| 18:11.28 | jelly-home | because there's no explicit SSL request, because TLS supersedes SSL, and also because Outlook sucks |
| 18:11.50 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: There is also ssmtp/submission |
| 18:12.03 | abrotman | i'd always recommend 465/ SSL |
| 18:12.09 | mllie | I've set up my external hdds in /etc/fstab. But when inserting them after boot it is not mounted automatically, what could be wrong? |
| 18:12.21 | hanasaki | jhutchins_wk: so when would you use that vs tls or ssl and on what ports? |
| 18:12.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, you shouldn't! |
| 18:12.51 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Do you control both servers? |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: you shold! |
| 18:13.28 | jelly-home | Postfix doesn't even have it enabled by default |
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| 18:13.59 | abrotman | nor 587 last i set it up |
| 18:14.16 | Gabtendo | I use Chromium by the way |
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| 18:14.23 | abrotman | (granted that was etch I thnik) |
| 18:14.25 | hanasaki | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 18:14.33 | hanasaki | I control all the servers here |
| 18:14.34 | unrar | hi |
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| 18:15.04 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Do you need to accept mail from servers you don't control? |
| 18:15.16 | hanasaki | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 18:15.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: can't be bothered to find a real reference, so here's wikipedia instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTPS |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: the RFC doesn't mention 465 |
| 18:16.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: you want rfc 3207 ? |
| 18:16.29 | jelly-home | because it shouldn't be used! |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | neither should windows! |
| 18:16.46 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:16.47 | jelly-home | go with RFC6409 |
| 18:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | In that case I'd require tls on 25 & ssmtp; you can allow easeier connections with mutual certificates. |
| 18:17.37 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: I think we're past the point where you need to have 25 open to unsecured connections. |
| 18:17.45 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: uh... require tls on 25 won't give him a lot of love |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | in short, nothing from your customers should be unencrypted .. |
| 18:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: You may have public access requirements that override that though. |
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| 18:18.54 | jelly-home | either one provides an MX for a domain or more, and requires tcp/25 with only optional TLS, or they're not MX and don't need tcp/25 open at all |
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| 18:19.07 | jelly-home | that's talking about ingree |
| 18:19.11 | jelly-home | ingress* |
| 18:19.45 | hanasaki | abrotman: correct - goal is no incoming smtp unless its on tls or ssl... tls I believe is what to require based on this conversation and thus 465 only |
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| 18:20.23 | Prior | wols: the id is: 9710:7830 |
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| 18:21.05 | jelly-home | hanasaki: smtps (port 465) was never used for inter-server traffic; in practice you should not need it unless you have to support broken clients, and then you need it only for submission |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | though, i think gmail supports that for sending messages when using htem as a smart host |
| 18:21.40 | hanasaki | jelly-home: so just starttls on port 25? |
| 18:22.01 | jelly-home | hanasaki: no. Use submission with starttls. |
| 18:22.10 | hanasaki | hmm looks like exim4 needs special stuff tls_on_connect_ports = 465 |
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| 18:22.40 | jelly-home | completely separate the traffic from YOUR customers and the traffic coming to your server from the Internet over smtp. |
| 18:22.52 | dario | mozilla.debian.net times out, is this known? |
| 18:22.56 | ZitZ | anyone have experience install trac 0.12 on debian? the log keeps telling me it's loading svn yet I'm trying to point it to my git repo |
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| 18:23.04 | wols | Prior: supported out the the box since 2.6.21. modprobe mcs7830 should be all you need if it even needs that. should actually be loaded automatically |
| 18:23.07 | crypticmofo | i want to set my filters now for when i start getting mail from the mailing list |
| 18:23.19 | jelly-home | (also, why exim) |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | iu'm not even sure port or ssl/tls matters, as long as it's not clear text over 25 :) |
| 18:25.19 | hanasaki | jelly-home: your asking me why exim instead of something else? |
| 18:25.39 | abrotman | instad of postfix perhaps |
| 18:25.45 | ToeTag | What filesystem do you recommend implementing on a modern SSD and why? |
| 18:25.55 | jelly-home | hanasaki: yes |
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| 18:26.10 | hanasaki | what's wrong with exim? |
| 18:26.17 | damacus | it's not postfix mostly. |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | postfix is a dream by cmparison |
| 18:26.28 | damacus | <3 postfix |
| 18:26.32 | mllie | I've set up my external hdds in /etc/fstab. But when inserting them after boot it is not mounted automatically, what could be wrong? |
| 18:27.17 | jelly-home | hanasaki: postfix might be a bit cleaner to set up, comparatively |
| 18:27.35 | hanasaki | has used exim + dovecot for years and its fine for my use. why change? |
| 18:27.45 | Prior | wols: ifconfig also onlyshows the lo |
| 18:27.45 | abrotman | hanasaki: use what you know, as long as it works |
| 18:27.48 | jelly-home | also it has a somewhat saner architecture and less remote root exploits per decade |
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| 18:28.40 | zxcvbn_ | help me with email server basics? should i use client restriction "reject_unknown_client_hostname" in postfix? (Client's A and PTR records must be the same) |
| 18:28.43 | jelly-home | if you're already experienced, don't change just because of random people on irc prefer something else |
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| 18:29.01 | ToeTag | IRC is well-laden with convincing-sounding noobs |
| 18:29.04 | ToeTag | myself included |
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| 18:29.49 | simonlnu | nah, you just don't have your filters turned up high enough |
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| 18:31.11 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Skimming in and out here, but the main thing about tls/ssl is that you only _relay_ for authenticated submissions. |
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| 18:31.18 | zxcvbn_ | owners of postfix - do you have this restriction enabled? |
| 18:31.36 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: You process unauthenticated submissions for local delivery only. |
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| 18:31.52 | ToeTag | How does the internet at large know *where* your self-hosted email is? You register the domain and then point the DNS to your house? |
| 18:32.21 | jhutchins_wk | zxcvbn_: If you know all legitimate clients will have known hostnames then yes. |
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| 18:32.25 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 18:32.31 | ToeTag | In other words, *where* is the record stored that says foo@dude.com is located at ip.addr.e.ss |
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| 18:32.45 | simonlnu | that's a good question frankly. what would people use if they had to set up a source code and bug tracker? there's all these different ones, with differing complexities and such. |
| 18:33.03 | jhutchins_wk | zxcvbn_: Some mailservers require that reverse DNS match the name presented. Others acknowledge that some system designs don't permit that. |
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| 18:33.43 | abrotman | zxcvbn_: is it for a business or personal use? |
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| 18:33.53 | cousin_luigi | How would you compare the packages installed on two different systems and generate a list of the missing ones (one way is good)? |
| 18:34.01 | zxcvbn_ | I assume all legitimate clients will be accepted by "permit_mynetworks" and my mail server will accept mail from other side only from trusted big servers with dedicated "relay.xxx.com" smtp server with matching A<->PTR records |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | !tell cousin_luigi about aptitude clone |
| 18:34.09 | zxcvbn_ | for business |
| 18:34.30 | hanasaki | jhutchins_wk: I require id/pass auth even for email clients on the same subnet |
| 18:35.13 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: Can that be used only to show the missing packages? |
| 18:35.43 | jelly-home | zxcvbn_: too aggressive for SMTP, irrelevant for submission -- not using it |
| 18:35.57 | zxcvbn_ | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 18:36.27 | cousin_luigi | abrotman: I guess a pretend/simulate switch will do |
| 18:36.28 | cousin_luigi | thanks |
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| 18:36.49 | jelly-home | zxcvbn_: in an ideal world, all the clients would submit mail to you over submission; you'd only ever use port 25 to get mail FOR you |
| 18:37.33 | jelly-home | zxcvbn_: thus there would be no need to put clients into permit_mynetworks |
| 18:37.41 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 18:38.13 | abrotman | he left .. |
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| 18:38.59 | abrotman | if you're more concerned about getting mail than possibly pissing someone off who doesn't understand DNS .. you'll leave that optoin out :) |
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| 18:40.01 | kracekumar | I am trying to install to debian in mac book, but after choosing debian as an boot choice from refit screen debian doesn't boot from usb, rather screen is stuck to tux image. |
| 18:40.18 | zeeflo | anyone here who successfully has made vsftpd work with chrooting? |
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| 18:41.35 | bluesm | How to use "POST" variable with "wget" tool ? |
| 18:41.58 | ToeTag | kracekumar: What model/year of macbook is it? |
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| 18:42.15 | bluesm | wget --post-data="name=value&name1=value2" domain ? |
| 18:42.22 | kracekumar | ToeTag, White, I think 2009/2010 |
| 18:42.58 | ToeTag | kracekumar: does the machine have an optical drive? I've had issues booting USBs (from refit) with macs earlier than around that time 2010ish |
| 18:43.26 | kracekumar | ToeTag, yes it has , but haven't tried it though |
| 18:43.44 | ToeTag | kracekumar: I would try booting the USB from the MAC bootmenu, and not rEFIt |
| 18:43.52 | kracekumar | all linux distro is giving issue with usb arch, ubuntu, debian |
| 18:44.17 | ToeTag | kracekumar: It's possible that rEFIt is the problem, I'd temporarily disable that and try to boot from the mac boot menu |
| 18:44.20 | kracekumar | So I need to keep pressing ctrl right during startup ? |
| 18:44.29 | ToeTag | i think it's the option button |
| 18:44.31 | ToeTag | or command |
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| 18:44.48 | kracekumar | let me try |
| 18:45.42 | kracekumar | its option button, but isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt is the error message |
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| 18:45.53 | kracekumar | wierd |
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| 18:46.07 | ToeTag | Maybe a bad burn/iso |
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| 18:46.26 | ToeTag | by the way, CD/DVD is always a safer way to go in regards to getting it to boot |
| 18:46.42 | ToeTag | what method did you use to make the bootable debian USB? |
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| 18:47.16 | kracekumar | dd if=filename.iso of=dest;sync |
| 18:47.53 | ToeTag | yeah that's how I like to do it as well |
| 18:48.10 | ToeTag | try something like ubuntu 12.04 with a cd |
| 18:48.15 | bluesm | ? |
| 18:48.45 | ToeTag | You can either hold option and select the disk, or just hold C on startup to boot into the optical disk |
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| 18:49.09 | ToeTag | Just in case your rEFIt is messed up |
| 18:49.28 | kracekumar | I was lazy enough to buy a optical disk :-) so it creating problem, i suspect refit. |
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| 18:50.04 | kracekumar | i was able to boot arch but that installation would have wiped by entire disk, so left it over there |
| 18:50.08 | ToeTag | are you going to dual-boot the machine? |
| 18:51.24 | kracekumar | Yes I want dual boot |
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| 18:54.16 | ToeTag | did you prepare the disk yet (shrink the macOS partition) |
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| 18:54.57 | kracekumar | I shrinked the MacOs partition and then prepared the disk |
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| 18:55.32 | ToeTag | kracekumar: yeah I'd try it with a CD/DVD to save time. It could be that the .iso doesn't play well with the dd command OR it could be the USB stick itself |
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| 18:55.48 | ToeTag | also, I've had mixed results using dd inside of OSx |
| 18:55.59 | kracekumar | I unpacked .img to .iso in mac, it added .dmg at the end, can that be the reason ? |
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| 18:56.12 | ToeTag | kracekumar: yes, it could be |
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| 18:56.20 | kracekumar | Unetbootin can't prepare liveusb to run in mac |
| 18:56.26 | ToeTag | kracekumar: you mean you converted .iso to .img right? |
| 18:56.35 | kracekumar | no .img to .iso |
| 18:56.45 | ToeTag | where did you get a debian .img |
| 18:56.59 | kracekumar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/ |
| 18:57.06 | ToeTag | AHHH |
| 18:57.10 | ToeTag | no need to convert it my friend |
| 18:57.38 | ToeTag | just write it (with dd) as a .img , that's what they're for |
| 18:57.40 | kracekumar | Yu mean I use .img file to make live usb ? |
| 18:57.43 | ToeTag | I thought you were using an iso |
| 18:57.53 | kracekumar | oh ok, let me try that |
| 18:57.56 | ToeTag | yes, .img files, in this case, are specifically for creating the USBs |
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| 18:58.14 | ToeTag | I usually just use the .iso, but if the distro provides a .img, use that |
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| 18:59.23 | kracekumar | ok, thanks I am running a dd command, lets what happens after that |
| 18:59.33 | ToeTag | I'd first try that, kracekumar , just write the .img to the USB, if that doesn't work I'd dd the .iso to the USB. But dont' do any converting, we don't want any .dmg business, that's only relevant to macs |
| 18:59.35 | ToeTag | good luck! |
| 19:00.00 | kracekumar | ToeTag, writing to usb means just cp ? |
| 19:00.07 | ToeTag | dd |
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| 19:00.15 | kracekumar | done |
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| 19:00.45 | ToeTag | good luck with it |
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| 19:03.03 | kracekumar | Thanks |
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| 19:04.57 | kracekumar | still isolinux.bin missing |
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| 19:13.19 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 19:13.19 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 19:23.25 | crypticmofo | wow the mailing list are very quite |
| 19:23.35 | crypticmofo | s/quite/quiet/ |
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| 19:25.45 | engla | it feels more like debian is frozen than moving towards release |
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| 19:26.34 | nkuttler | engla: feel free to help and fix some bugs |
| 19:28.09 | engla | sure, my first run through rc bugs I found one I could send a simple patch to |
| 19:28.23 | engla | do you have any other place to start than the rc bugs list? |
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| 19:29.30 | engla | there are lots of them that simply require decisions from the maintainer (not only the ones tagged patch) |
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| 19:33.42 | gino | ciao |
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| 19:34.37 | engla | nkuttler: ^ |
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| 19:48.07 | porton | How to activate extensions from gnome-shell-extensions package? |
| 19:49.13 | aezx | carefully |
| 19:49.53 | Dext | lol |
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| 19:52.14 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 19:52.15 | Bartzy | I constantly need to do 'dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf' and choose 'yes' , because the symlink from /etc/resolv.conf to the dynamic one - is missing after a laptop sleep. |
| 19:52.18 | Bartzy | Any idea ? |
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| 19:55.44 | rotaticus | Bartzy: do scripting in the wakeup script |
| 19:56.06 | Bartzy | rotaticus: But how do I make dpkg-reconfigure automatically say yes ? |
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| 19:56.44 | rotaticus | Bartzy: Ah sry NOW i see the problem xD |
| 19:57.05 | Doggie52 | This is odd -- Disk Usage Analyzer reports total usage 70GB, which is dangerously close to my limit, but / only shows occupying 12GB |
| 19:57.17 | Doggie52 | Where is all the space going? |
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| 19:57.26 | Doggie52 | What could be wrong? |
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| 19:57.59 | Bartzy | So anyone - any idea? :( |
| 19:58.02 | Bartzy | this is truly annoying |
| 19:58.11 | matip_ | do you know how to change an interface into promiscuous mode? |
| 19:58.28 | matip_ | I've tried many things but iwconfig says it's "managed", always |
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| 19:58.59 | jelly-home | matip_: with wireless interfaces, the driver has to support it and not all do |
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| 19:59.10 | matip_ | jelly-home, how can I check? |
| 19:59.25 | keith4_ | Bartzy: yes | dpkg-reconfigure resolveconf |
| 19:59.36 | keith4_ | just a guess ;-) |
| 19:59.43 | Bartzy | keith4_: Yes, but I need to do that every time |
| 19:59.49 | Bartzy | after a wakeup from sleep |
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| 20:00.23 | jelly-home | matip_: dunno. But you might have a "monitor" mode on it |
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| 20:00.56 | skylinux | when device tun0 is created on the fly via ssh -w switch, iptables does not see it why ? |
| 20:00.56 | jelly-home | which is the same as promiscuous except no output packets are allowed |
| 20:01.01 | keith4_ | Bartzy: try "dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive" |
| 20:01.21 | NuclearMeltdown | Can someone help me copy a disk image over my network? I'm using dd if=/dev/sda bs=10M | gzip -1 > /mnt/nfs_storage/on_10mb_ethernet/bigfile.img.gz The problem is I have like 40% I/O wait and the network is only half used. How can I add a buffer to this so it doesn't read from the disk, compress, then send all separately? |
| 20:01.26 | skylinux | then how can I add masquerade rule to tun0 while iptables does not see my packets ? |
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| 20:02.07 | matip_ | jelly-home, using monitor mode I can capture packets that are not for me, but two things: a) I'm not sure promiscuous == monitor and b) while in monitor mode I can't connect to my router so I don't have internet |
| 20:02.08 | skylinux | when device tun0 is created on the fly via ssh -w switch, iptables does not see it why ? then how can I add masquerade rule to tun0 while iptables does not see my packets ? |
| 20:02.09 | matip_ | any idea? |
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| 20:03.11 | jelly-home | matip_: correct, you can't |
| 20:03.47 | matip_ | so it's normal to capture packets in promiscuous mode without internet? lol |
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| 20:03.57 | matip_ | I wonder why it's not possible to do both things at the same time |
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| 20:04.29 | wh1zzn00b | okay guys anyone can gimme a nice descriptive url how to compile kernel 3.* on kernel 2.6.32 |
| 20:04.47 | matip_ | okay, thank you jelly-home |
| 20:05.02 | keith4_ | wh1zzn00b: if you have to ask that, you should probably just use 3.2 from backports |
| 20:05.06 | NuclearMeltdown | matip_, monitor mode is just raw reception with wifi packet frames. You can only transmit with raw packet injection |
| 20:05.08 | Ephexeve | hey guys, i just installed debian (without any extra package) and I found out by seeing the sources list its stable, so I changed everything to testing, ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade then apt-get dis-upgrade now |
| 20:05.13 | Ephexeve | is this correct? |
| 20:05.14 | NuclearMeltdown | some drivers create a separate interface for monitor mode |
| 20:05.25 | NuclearMeltdown | so your wlan0 can monitor and ath0 can still connect |
| 20:05.40 | matip_ | ahm, I don't have any other wirless interface |
| 20:05.57 | matip_ | I suppose it's not one of those drivers :P |
| 20:05.57 | jelly-home | matip_: it's intentionally disabled so you can't fake MACs or inject other arbitrary packets |
| 20:06.05 | NuclearMeltdown | promiscous mode should be sufficient |
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| 20:06.16 | NuclearMeltdown | it's just pick up all packets on that wifi BSSID |
| 20:06.18 | jelly-home | matip_: except _some_ hardware and drivers allow for it anyway |
| 20:06.18 | skylinux | Ephexeve: yes it does the job |
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| 20:06.42 | matip_ | okay, got it |
| 20:06.43 | matip_ | thanks |
| 20:06.45 | NuclearMeltdown | jelly-home, does that require a kernel patch to fix? |
| 20:06.48 | Ephexeve | skylinux: Hmm ok |
| 20:06.55 | NuclearMeltdown | because I am unable to create an ad-hoc network with debian |
| 20:07.00 | NuclearMeltdown | because of some restriction |
| 20:07.29 | skylinux | Ephexeve: but there are some recommendations you would like to consider |
| 20:07.32 | Guest3077 | when I try to config eth0 up, I have: SIOCSIFADDR: no such device ; Eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags |
| 20:07.42 | jelly-home | NuclearMeltdown: it depends, I've heard of outside patches to enable certain features but have not investigated |
| 20:07.44 | Ephexeve | skylinux: like? |
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| 20:08.13 | Guest3077 | if I do lspci the ethernet interface is there |
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| 20:09.10 | rotaticus | Guest3077: did you try eth0 instead of Eth0 ? |
| 20:09.25 | Guest3077 | yes |
| 20:09.29 | Leoneof | Guest3077: need driver? |
| 20:09.53 | Guest3077 | I think not it's simple ethernet card |
| 20:09.58 | Guest3077 | like any one |
| 20:10.06 | skylinux | Ephexeve: update last compatible kernel on squeeze first bcecause of device namings in new "udev", by finding the best kernel image match, immediately install udev, then reboot, then dist-upgrade |
| 20:10.12 | wh1zzn00b | keith4_: any chance you gimme a nice url .. because i get only errors and stuff i ve been trying for 2 days |
| 20:10.26 | skylinux | Ephexeve: that is good specially when you are dist-upgrading a remote linux via network |
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| 20:10.50 | Ephexeve | skylinux: well I just rebooted now I see 4 entried in the grub, kernel 3.6 and kernel 3 |
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| 20:10.56 | dlam | is a folder with `pymodules` like a system thing debian does? |
| 20:11.03 | dlam | is debian noob |
| 20:11.04 | skylinux | when device tun0 is created on the fly via ssh -w switch, iptables does not see it why ? then how can I add masquerade rule to tun0 while iptables does not see my packets ? |
| 20:11.05 | Ephexeve | so.. I hve to install the kernel again? then what..? |
| 20:11.07 | keith4_ | !tell wh1zzn00b about backports |
| 20:11.09 | Ephexeve | dont really get it |
| 20:11.10 | Guest3077 | rotaticus Leoneof what could be that? the card is recognized on lspci |
| 20:11.23 | skylinux | Ephexeve: nevermind you did the job |
| 20:11.31 | Leoneof | Guest3077: lspci | grep Eth , what it say? |
| 20:11.54 | wh1zzn00b | keith4_: :) long live the queen :) |
| 20:12.06 | skylinux | anyone expert here about iptables and tun/tap device ? |
| 20:12.07 | Ephexeve | skylinux: Nice, any clue how I can remove the other kernel entry? just remove from grub.cfg? dont I need to uninstll it? |
| 20:12.23 | Guest3077 | Leoneof: nothing |
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| 20:12.30 | Guest3077 | but if I do just lspci |
| 20:12.32 | skylinux | Ephexeve: yes just remove it from grub.cfg, but the files will remain on disk |
| 20:12.38 | Guest3077 | is there realtek ethernet |
| 20:12.50 | rotaticus | Guest3077: more info plz |
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| 20:13.02 | Guest3077 | like what |
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| 20:13.06 | Ephexeve | skylinux: any clue how to remove them? |
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| 20:13.19 | keith4_ | Ephexeve: what does 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' show? |
| 20:13.23 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: what info more? |
| 20:13.29 | rotaticus | Guest3077: like what realtek is it? |
| 20:13.35 | Guest3077 | ok |
| 20:13.45 | skylinux | Ephexeve: AFAIK those are just some image files in /boot folder and you can find and delete them |
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| 20:14.23 | Ephexeve | skylinux: I see 4 entries |
| 20:14.30 | Ephexeve | cnno type everything here though |
| 20:14.48 | Ephexeve | this is another computer |
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| 20:15.24 | keith4_ | !tell Ephexeve about wgetpaste |
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| 20:15.52 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: when I do lspci it returns: ethernet controller: Realtek semi conductor co. ltda-8139/83139C/8139C+ |
| 20:16.01 | Guest3077 | it's like any network card |
| 20:16.02 | skylinux | Ephexeve: would you please list them in a paste site |
| 20:16.15 | Ephexeve | skylinux: sure sec |
| 20:16.16 | Guest3077 | it can be recognized since unix exist |
| 20:16.52 | somiaj | Ephexeve: depends on how you installed the kernels. But if they are installed via debian packages use dpkg/apt to remove them. 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' will tell you what linux imager kernel apckages you have installed |
| 20:17.16 | Guest3077 | Leoneof: any idea too? |
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| 20:17.55 | rotaticus | Guest3077: is it plugged? ... i'm outta ideas |
| 20:18.09 | Guest3077 | yes it is |
| 20:18.16 | Leoneof | Guest3077: no idea, give us the full line about realtek from lspci output |
| 20:18.28 | Guest3077 | its the full line |
| 20:18.30 | skylinux | Ephexeve: also show us the result of dpkg -l | grep -i linux-image |
| 20:18.53 | Guest3077 | so I think could be kernel |
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| 20:20.31 | twobitsprite | if I have a logical volume (in LVM) which is spread across multiple pvs, and I extend the first pv to be big enough to fit the other pvs, is there a straightforward way to "merge" the pvs such that the data on the others is sort of "tacked on" to the end of the one pv? |
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| 20:21.48 | Ephexeve | skylinux: sec, instlling bz2 stuff |
| 20:23.09 | rotaticus | Guest3077: does "lsmod | grep 8139" show "8139too" ? |
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| 20:24.21 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: yes |
| 20:24.25 | Guest3077 | and 8139cp |
| 20:24.27 | Guest3077 | and mii |
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| 20:25.43 | rotaticus | Guest3077: sudo rmmod -f 8139cp ; sudo mii-tool eth0 -F 10baseT-FD ; sudo rmmod -f 8139too ; sudo modprobe 8139too |
| 20:26.01 | Guest3077 | where is the file who memorize eth0 mac address? |
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| 20:26.22 | alesan | hi, it seems I have both vi and vim installed... how can I check? |
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| 20:27.21 | formorer | believe me, you don't have a vi |
| 20:27.28 | jakenl | alesan: which vi and which vim , then look at them using ls -la to see it they're linked |
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| 20:27.39 | alesan | jakenl, they are not |
| 20:27.49 | alesan | ls -al /usr/bin/vi |
| 20:27.49 | alesan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1843868 Sep 14 22:33 /usr/bin/vi |
| 20:28.13 | alesan | instead /usr/bin/vim links to /etc/alternatives/vim that links to /usr/bin/vim.basic that is: |
| 20:28.24 | alesan | ls -al /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 20:28.24 | alesan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1585456 Sep 16 21:30 /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 20:28.35 | alesan | formorer, what do you mean? |
| 20:28.39 | jakenl | Guest3077: the MAC address is in the hardware. |
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| 20:29.22 | formorer | alesan: debian doesn't have a classic vi |
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| 20:29.36 | alesan | formorer, ok so what should I do? |
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| 20:29.53 | alesan | if you ls -al /usr/bin/vi what is the output? |
| 20:29.58 | Ephexeve_ | skylinux: sorry godamn thing crashed, ccn you tell me what commands do you want me to paste it? |
| 20:30.22 | formorer | alesan: update-alternatives --display vi |
| 20:30.30 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: SIOCGMIIPHY on "eth0" FAILED: no such device |
| 20:30.45 | skylinux | Ephexeve: dpkg -l | grep -i linux-image and ls -la /boot |
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| 20:30.56 | Guest3077 | jakenl: there is no file to remember mac address on th0 configuration? |
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| 20:31.33 | rotaticus | Guest3077: blacklist the 8139cp module |
| 20:31.45 | alesan | formorer, so you do not have a symlink in /usr/bin/vi ?? anybody else could check for me ls -l /usr/bin/vi ??? |
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| 20:31.58 | formorer | vi is an alternative |
| 20:32.04 | formorer | therefore its always a symlink |
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| 20:32.20 | formorer | alesan: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 |
| 20:32.20 | alesan | formorer, as I said, not in my case, it's a hard link |
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| 20:32.48 | alesan | formorer, no admin guide will change reality on my system :) |
| 20:32.51 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: and reboot? |
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| 20:33.01 | formorer | alesan: mh? ls -la /usr/bin/vi shows what? |
| 20:33.10 | rotaticus | Guest3077: should do it ;) good luck |
| 20:33.24 | alesan | formorer, as I said several minutes ago: |
| 20:33.25 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: ok will try wait |
| 20:33.32 | alesan | ls -al /usr/bin/vi |
| 20:33.36 | alesan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1843868 Sep 14 22:33 /usr/bin/vi |
| 20:33.42 | rotaticus | i ll be here |
| 20:33.46 | formorer | hm, funny. |
| 20:33.58 | alesan | formorer, for this reason, I wanted to restore the correct symlink |
| 20:34.12 | alesan | probably somebody played with this system and I probably also know who |
| 20:34.48 | simonlnu | your cat? |
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| 20:35.00 | alesan | no, a polish guy that always makes things like this |
| 20:35.11 | formorer | alesan: rm /usr/bin/vi ; update-alternatives --force --set vi /usr/bin/vim.basic |
| 20:35.43 | cardamon | Is athena another toolkit, like gtk? Looking at gvim |
| 20:35.53 | formorer | ye |
| 20:35.54 | formorer | s |
| 20:36.09 | cardamon | Is it worth it, or should I stick with gtk? |
| 20:36.20 | formorer | use gtk |
| 20:36.25 | rotaticus | use gtk |
| 20:36.29 | formorer | athena is ehm... old |
| 20:37.37 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: nothing my friend |
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| 20:38.29 | Ephexeve_ | dpkg -l | grep -i linux-image and ls -la /boot |
| 20:38.30 | dpkg | ii | grep -i linux-image and ls -la /boot 1.5-1.2 ephexeve_'s private gamp collection |
| 20:38.38 | alesan | cardamon, wow I haven't heard of athena since the mid-90s... |
| 20:38.42 | Ephexeve_ | can u send me the wgetpaste gin? sorry |
| 20:39.19 | Guest3077 | which place on the disk, the mac address to eth0 is stored on debian? |
| 20:39.54 | rotaticus | Guest3077: no place, its in the firmware iirc |
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| 20:40.21 | alesan | Guest3077, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:40.41 | Guest3077 | alesan: yes it's on ubuntu |
| 20:40.48 | Ephexeve_ | skylinux: |
| 20:40.48 | Guest3077 | I don't found it on debian |
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| 20:40.54 | alesan | Guest3077, I am talking about debian here |
| 20:41.04 | alesan | I don't know if ubuntu has something similar |
| 20:41.09 | Guest3077 | sorry |
| 20:41.23 | Guest3077 | just meant there is not this file on my system |
| 20:41.33 | skylinux | Ephexeve: got to go sorry |
| 20:41.40 | alesan | it's a feature I hate, because if you swap network card or put the HDD on a different computer you won't get eth0 anymore but eth1, 2, 3 |
| 20:43.07 | Guest3077 | I think it's the solution to my problem |
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| 20:47.22 | rotaticus | what? install udev? |
| 20:48.29 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: hahahaha lol it worked my friend |
| 20:48.54 | Guest3077 | rotaticus: just needed to empty that file |
| 20:48.59 | Guest3077 | with addresses |
| 20:49.34 | rotaticus | have nice traffuc ;) |
| 20:49.43 | rotaticus | -u +i |
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| 20:52.20 | nmarques | anyone knows if Ruben Mendes is around or where I can find him ? :) |
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| 20:56.05 | user-X | which command is for upgrade system ? |
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| 20:57.38 | user-X | apt-get autoremove = aptitude ? |
| 20:58.22 | user-X | can anyone help me ? |
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| 20:58.47 | zxcvbn_ | apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:00.16 | jhutchins_wk | aptitude upgrade works too. |
| 21:00.32 | jhutchins_wk | aptitude update && aptituide full-upgrade |
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| 21:00.48 | user-X | I see... but before I have problem with Openshot |
| 21:01.42 | user-X | I will check it, thx for info |
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| 21:02.27 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions openshot |
| 21:02.28 | judd | Package: openshot on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1; wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; sid: 1.4.3-1; sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1 |
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| 21:03.05 | jhutchins_wk | user-X: avidemux has worked for me in the pst. |
| 21:03.13 | jhutchins_wk | s/pst/past/ |
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| 21:05.52 | acu | hey guys how can I add an application in a user's path |
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| 21:06.44 | jhutchins_wk | acu: What application? Why? |
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| 21:07.09 | phox|away | can anyone comment on where kernel source should be if I've built a kernel with make-kpkg and want to get dkms installed and working? |
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| 21:10.11 | uncommitted | are the debian ntp servers doing okay today? I know about the year 2000 mess yesterday, which should be resolved, but I'm receiving excessive drift today from my debian servers using the default servers |
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| 21:10.49 | sussudio | uncommitted: i noticed pool.ntp.org was 14 minutes fast... |
| 21:11.13 | uncommitted | whelp, that would do it! |
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| 21:17.30 | keith4_ | year 2000 mess yesterday? |
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| 21:22.36 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, compiz is not availible for wheezy? |
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| 21:23.17 | sho-nuff | hello all |
| 21:23.39 | sney | Ephexeve: nope, it didn't get a freeze exemption |
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| 21:23.57 | Ephexeve | sney: Great. Anyway to get it? |
| 21:24.08 | phox|away | can anyone comment on where kernel source should be if I've built a kernel with make-kpkg and want to get dkms installed and working? |
| 21:24.33 | phox|away | un waffer-thin documentation pour monsieur? |
| 21:24.45 | sney | Ephexeve: testing-unstable mix |
| 21:25.16 | sney | phox|away: make-kpkg is deprecated, if you use make deb-pkg it'll roll you a headers package and you don't have to do anything manually |
| 21:25.24 | Ephexeve | sney: so add a source from unstable? |
| 21:25.28 | acu | it is a particular binary for whole genome analysis - I could do it as root by export PATH="/mypath/$PATH" but I cannot do it as normal user |
| 21:25.34 | sney | !tell Ephexeve about tum |
| 21:25.38 | phox|away | sney: oh? hm, ok |
| 21:26.00 | acu | jhutchins_wk |
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| 21:26.33 | phox|away | sney: thanks |
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| 21:26.40 | Ephexeve | godamn, what a pain of os |
| 21:27.09 | sney | blame the compiz maintainer. the maintainers had lots of advance warning to get their packages into wheezy before and after the freeze |
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| 21:31.18 | talexb | Build it from source? |
| 21:31.52 | sney | that's the long way around when sid is still mostly binary compatible with wheezy |
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| 21:37.26 | acu | it is a particular binary for whole genome analysis - I could do it as root by export PATH="/mypath/$PATH" but I cannot do it as normal user ? |
| 21:38.01 | KdgDev | My Debian 6.0.5 install doesn't seem to have usermod available and apt-get install isn't finding it either |
| 21:38.10 | KdgDev | Can someone tell me if they removed that or changed it? |
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| 21:39.38 | phox|away | KdgDev: eh, it should be part of passwd |
| 21:39.42 | phox|away | AFAIK |
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| 21:40.01 | phox|away | unless your PATH is maybe broken or something? /usr/sbin/usermod |
| 21:40.06 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 21:40.08 | bluesm | How to make |
| 21:40.18 | bluesm | wget to hold every cookie, like normal browser ? |
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| 21:40.30 | bluesm | and provide every cookie, like regular browser ? |
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| 21:41.00 | phox|away | bluesm: not sure but if you don't get a better answer you might want to look at curl; it's definitely more powerful in that regard... |
| 21:41.03 | KdgDev | phox|away: just checked the man page. Doesn't seem to be an option to change the group the user belongs to |
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| 21:41.26 | phox|away | dunno, I pretty much just edit /etc/passwd :P |
| 21:43.11 | phox|away | KdgDev: the manpage should have -g, I'd think. it would be really odd for a distro version change to incur such a major change to a system package like that... |
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| 21:43.38 | KdgDev | phox|away: http://linux.die.net/man/1/passwd |
| 21:43.42 | Evil_Eric | mmmm linux |
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| 21:52.47 | phox|away | KdgDev: huh? I meant "part of the passwd package" -- thought you meant you checked the usermod manpage :) |
| 21:53.11 | KdgDev | Usermod isn't installed on my 6.0.5 |
| 21:53.13 | KdgDev | apparently |
| 21:53.18 | KdgDev | and trying to find it with apt-get fails |
| 21:53.30 | n2diy | How can I offer a choice of user logins? With Xubuntu an X login screen would pop up allowing you to select which user was logging in. With my current Debian Squeeze setup, I'm only presented with a CLI login prompt. |
| 21:53.30 | bluesm | Is curl support redirecting ? |
| 21:53.51 | phox|away | bluesm: pretty sure |
| 21:54.35 | sney | n2diy: gdm3 offers that behaviour, it learns the user accounts that have logged in previously and lists them. |
| 21:54.47 | phox|away | KdgDev: anything useful in dpkg -L passwd ? |
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| 21:55.41 | n2diy | sney, ok, I'm running XFCE and some KDE stuff, but I'll take a look at gdm3, thanks. |
| 21:55.57 | bluesm | phox|away: -L Thanks :) |
| 21:56.02 | KdgDev | just restarted after I changed the group in the passwd file |
| 21:56.04 | KdgDev | se |
| 21:56.05 | KdgDev | sec |
| 21:56.06 | sney | kdm and/or lightdm might do it too, I haven't used either recently enough to remember |
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| 21:56.51 | KdgDev | phox|away: that generates a list of files/folder locations |
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| 21:57.31 | bluesm | phox|away: Ok. So how to set curl, to store and access cookie like regular browser ? |
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| 21:58.15 | phox|away | bluesm: as I said I'm not sure, I don't use curl a lot. Just figured it's more likely to completely support what you want to do than something crusty like wget is. |
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| 21:59.53 | xsappyx | phox|away: see the manpage, '-b, --cookie' and '-c, --cookie-jar' options |
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| 22:02.27 | phox|away | xsappyx: not me looking for the info, bluesm is :) |
| 22:02.58 | bluesm | I see :) |
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