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| 00:00.25 | gnarface | additionally, the information of the format of the answers to the questions and the process of finding out which questions to answer is relevant to debconf-set-selections, which should also be able to do basically what you want, in a scriptable fashion. you may have to change some debconf threshold configuration |
| 00:00.30 | gnarface | lyda: ^^^^ |
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| 00:01.57 | lyda | ok. the preseed docs are really heavy into the debian-installer which i don't think i'm running as i'm starting from an already existing base install. |
| 00:02.51 | gnarface | lyda: the order of the information in there is probably not in the order most convenient for what you're doing, yes. |
| 00:03.29 | gnarface | lyda: the documentation that comes with the debconf-utils package may be sufficient for what you're doing. you could try reading it first... |
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| 00:03.42 | alecst | hey guys, trying to install "live-magic" debian and i get a runtime error: could not open display. any way someone could tell me how to make a live usb (i swear, i have tried all the sites, including debians own, and i keep messing up somehow) or otherwise help my fix my "live-magic" installation? |
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| 00:03.45 | lyda | yep. looking at that now. it seems more likely. |
| 00:03.47 | ompaul | lyda: part of the install process is the tasksel which is the servers or desktops as tasks with configs |
| 00:03.57 | gnarface | lyda: i merely fear it will lack the necessary context. but either way i think you'll figure it out |
| 00:04.07 | lyda | though i do not want to include a plaintext password with the install process. |
| 00:04.42 | ompaul | lyda: keep reading you should be able to turn off the request drop a $db and do post install |
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| 00:05.05 | ompaul | alecst: "live magic" where did you pick that up from? |
| 00:06.01 | ompaul | alecst: na, that's not a debian app |
| 00:06.52 | ompaul | alecst: stick your head into #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:06.58 | alecst | ok |
| 00:07.20 | alecst | ompaul: what's oftc? |
| 00:07.25 | ompaul | alecst: they might not be too receptive or they may have more explicit redirection |
| 00:07.31 | ompaul | irc.oftc.net |
| 00:07.48 | alecst | doesn't load for me |
| 00:07.48 | ompaul | but that is for debian live |
| 00:07.59 | ompaul | do this /server irc.oftc.net |
| 00:08.11 | ompaul | and /join #debian-live |
| 00:08.26 | alecst | i'm in webchat, that's probably why |
| 00:08.47 | alecst | ompaul: what's your suggestion for installing debian? i've had nothing but problems. |
| 00:08.57 | ompaul | !netinstall |
| 00:08.57 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:09.07 | ompaul | that's the way I suggest it |
| 00:09.09 | gnarface | the netinstall is the best install |
| 00:09.32 | alecst | ompaul: i tried that and had problems. basically, it asked for firmware files, so i downloaded those, but it still doesn't find them. also something about DHCP |
| 00:09.35 | ompaul | and they strike up a chorus to the theme of the lumberjack song |
| 00:09.46 | sbrothy | 1 |
| 00:09.51 | gnarface | alecst: are yo0u trying to install over wifi? |
| 00:09.53 | sbrothy | OOPS. sorry. |
| 00:09.59 | alecst | gnarface: yeah. is that a problem typically? |
| 00:10.04 | gnarface | alecst: yea |
| 00:10.18 | alecst | gnarface: okay. i'll try doing it plugged in |
| 00:10.36 | alecst | gnarface: once i do that, i should be able to install all the appropriate drivers and such? |
| 00:10.51 | gnarface | alecst: that's what i'd recommend, if possible. yea then you can configure wireless much easier, because you'll be able to get the packaged firmwares |
| 00:10.53 | ompaul | alecst: that's the idea |
| 00:11.01 | alecst | okay thanks a lot |
| 00:11.03 | alecst | i'll try again |
| 00:11.18 | lyda | ok, debconf-set-selection "works." |
| 00:11.19 | ompaul | alecst: and don't try expert install |
| 00:11.43 | lyda | it would be better if the mysql package did not prompt for a password. |
| 00:11.55 | alecst | ompaul: should i use unetbootin to put it on the usb? |
| 00:11.59 | ompaul | lyda: bugs.debian.org always for bugs |
| 00:12.03 | alecst | ompaul: that's what ive been doing |
| 00:12.04 | ompaul | alecst: NO |
| 00:12.15 | lyda | some way to specify a hash would be better. |
| 00:12.19 | gnarface | lyda: you can't make it stop with debconf-set-selections? |
| 00:12.28 | alecst | ompaul: the debian instructions didn't work... but i probably messed something up |
| 00:12.38 | alecst | ompaul: which was do you suggest doing it? |
| 00:12.40 | ompaul | alecst: so do them again |
| 00:12.41 | alecst | way* |
| 00:12.46 | lyda | gnarface: that worked, but it requires me to put in a password in plain text. |
| 00:12.50 | alecst | ompaul: ok |
| 00:13.03 | ompaul | alecst: if you really can't put it on a stick I suggest you burn a disk and follow the instructions on this |
| 00:13.04 | ompaul | !install |
| 00:13.05 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 00:13.19 | lyda | so i'll put in a temporary one and then insert the correct hash once it's installed. |
| 00:13.26 | ompaul | alecst: for the parts in < > do /msg the word/letters in the middle |
| 00:13.44 | gnarface | lyda: making packages isn't as hard as you think. the documentation for that is in backwards order too though :-/ |
| 00:13.45 | ompaul | alecst: sorry do /msg dpkg d-i or whatever |
| 00:14.36 | lyda | in general i have a method of fetching all the required secrets - but it's not done at the initial configuration point. |
| 00:14.40 | gnarface | lyda: i'm pretty sure there IS a way to simply stifle the mysql password prompt though... check the main debconf documentation i think for that... |
| 00:14.56 | ompaul | alecst: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
| 00:15.06 | lyda | well, i mentioned export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 00:15.09 | alecst | ompaul: i'm trying to dd the file to the usb stick |
| 00:15.13 | lyda | gnarface: ^^^ |
| 00:15.18 | alecst | ompaul: again, as per the instructions. fingers crossed |
| 00:15.28 | lyda | gnarface: but not sure what state that leaves the package in. |
| 00:15.42 | gnarface | lyda: no i mean debconf --priority=[value] |
| 00:15.44 | ompaul | alecst: cat foo.iso > /dev/sdc where c in sdc is whatever the stick is |
| 00:15.45 | alecst | ompaul: last time i did this it wasn't bootable though :( |
| 00:15.52 | lyda | btw, vagrant is a very handy way to test scripting reconfigs. |
| 00:15.57 | gnarface | lyda: i think you can set priority to a threshold that blocks all interaction |
| 00:16.09 | alecst | ompaul: ok i didn't try it that way, i'll do it again. should i reformat the usb before doing cat |
| 00:16.11 | ompaul | alecst: read the faq it works for hundreds of thousands if not more |
| 00:16.18 | lyda | you can set up a fresh box and test a deployment with one command. |
| 00:16.22 | ompaul | alecst: no |
| 00:16.31 | alecst | ompaul: ok thanks, will try now |
| 00:16.34 | lyda | and then blow it away to start fresh again with another one. |
| 00:16.48 | ompaul | lyda: so much for data integrity :) |
| 00:17.24 | lyda | ompaul: vagrant just gives you a temporary test image. |
| 00:17.38 | lyda | it's great for doing system tests. |
| 00:17.50 | nvz | what do I need to do to ssh into a box and run an xclient? ssh -X makes it run on my system not the remote one. heh |
| 00:18.05 | lyda | bring up five virtual servers. prep them as required. run tests. blow them away. |
| 00:18.30 | ompaul | lyda: my preferred is cp my "scratch" img which is my base install but I don't use vms much |
| 00:18.33 | lyda | no human needs to be involved - other than the one checking in code to the monitored repositories. |
| 00:18.34 | ompaul | or vm s |
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| 00:19.08 | lyda | i don't use vm's for production generally, but they're perfect for testing. |
| 00:19.23 | alecst | ompaul: when i did "cat" nothing seemed to happen. is that normal? |
| 00:19.34 | alecst | ompaul: sorry i'm very new, don't know what to expect at all |
| 00:19.51 | alecst | ompaul: it seems the drive name got changed to debian, though |
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| 00:20.09 | alecst | ompaul: and all the file names are hieroglyphics |
| 00:20.32 | lyda | what i still want a vm to have is an accelerated clock so i can test how a system behaves over the course of a month - but only take a day or two to do it. |
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| 00:20.54 | gnarface | anyone have any slick suggestions for slapd replication? |
| 00:20.56 | ompaul | alecst: get a CD and burn it according to the instructions |
| 00:21.28 | alecst | ok thanks anyway ompaul i'll do that i suppose |
| 00:22.02 | ompaul | alecst: make sure what you downloaded is correct - check the md5sum as suggested |
| 00:22.22 | alecst | ompaul: think the problem was i still had the usb mounted |
| 00:22.37 | alecst | ompaul: i'm going to try again like you suggested, and if it doesn't work, go the CD route |
| 00:23.37 | ompaul | alecst: I don't need a running commentary, md5sum is useful and try the cat, then the CD follow the faq you really can't go too wrong |
| 00:23.56 | ompaul | alecst: if it doesn't work find someone who has a linux install and get them to burn it for you |
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| 00:24.20 | alecst | thanks for all your help ompaul |
| 00:25.04 | ompaul | alecst: good luck |
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| 00:26.49 | bluesm | I have xfce4-session package, how to put it as default session manager ? |
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| 00:27.46 | bluesm | In this moment I have set, command line, (so I have to "startx") and default GUI is lxde. |
| 00:29.27 | bluesm | ? |
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| 00:34.16 | gnarface | bluesm: probably easier to just put it in your ~/.xinitrc |
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| 00:38.34 | bluesm | gnarface: If there is not such a file in my home directory, I should create it. Right ? |
| 00:39.36 | rwp | gnarface, Thanks for the closing update about CA.pl! |
| 00:39.44 | gnarface | bluesm: yea it will just be executed like a shell script... you want your window manager to be the last thing to run |
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| 00:40.52 | bluesm | gnarface: And put there "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4" Right ? |
| 00:40.53 | gnarface | bluesm: if you want stuff to be running when X comes up , you can put it in that script before the window manager line |
| 00:41.17 | bluesm | gnarface: mhm, handy :) Thanks :) |
| 00:41.27 | gnarface | bluesm: uh... you would put in whatever command launches your window manager. i don't remember having to use exec for years... |
| 00:41.43 | gnarface | bluesm: mine just has /usr/bin/enlightenment_start |
| 00:41.55 | bluesm | I refer to : http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 00:42.07 | gnarface | bluesm: oh maybe then... i don't use xfce. try it |
| 00:42.19 | bluesm | gnarface: thanks :) |
| 00:42.37 | gnarface | i have #!/bin/bash as the first line of mine (though i don't have the file marked executable) but i don't know if its necessary |
| 00:42.57 | gnarface | actually i'm pretty sure its not |
| 00:42.58 | gnarface | but fyi |
| 00:43.48 | n1md4 | evening. i've 2 servers with a crossover between them, both use r8169 modules, "RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)", both have ethtool detecting a link ... both can ping their own interfaces. |
| 00:44.00 | n1md4 | Any clues as to why this isn't working? |
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| 00:45.00 | gnarface | n1md4: you didn't assign ip addresses? |
| 00:45.24 | n1md4 | hahah |
| 00:45.27 | n1md4 | ;) |
| 00:45.39 | n1md4 | it wasn't a joke :P |
| 00:45.54 | gnarface | n1md4: did you try tcpdummp? |
| 00:46.16 | n1md4 | that's an idea, i'll give it a go. |
| 00:46.35 | gnarface | you're certain its a crossover cable? |
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| 00:47.53 | gnarface | some modern and higher-end ethernet cards may actually be capable of auto-detecting a direct link and automatically flipping into crossover mode internally ... i also wonder if a normal ethernet cable may work where this one fails |
| 00:47.58 | gnarface | n1md4: ^^ |
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| 00:49.20 | n1md4 | "00:49:03.951479 ARP, Request who-has 10.10.0.23 tell 10.10.0.22, length 28" |
| 00:49.47 | n1md4 | but doesn't return a ping. |
| 00:49.55 | n1md4 | :-/ |
| 00:50.12 | n1md4 | I'm fairly certain, it's shop bought. |
| 00:50.28 | n1md4 | I'm fairly certain it's a crossover, that is. |
| 00:53.16 | n1md4 | ...and then the same from the other host. |
| 00:53.27 | n1md4 | do you know what that message means? |
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| 00:54.42 | n1md4 | ah, they look to be broadcast messages. |
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| 00:55.08 | gnarface | n1md4: that's arp trying to determine which mac addresses on the physical wire own which ip addresses in the tcp/ip stack |
| 00:55.38 | gnarface | n1md4: it may be possible to determine whether its working or not.... incidentally, do you have a gateway configured for either of these? and are there other network devices enabled/connected in either? |
| 00:56.17 | n1md4 | there are 2 interfaces, eth0 has the gateway address. |
| 00:56.24 | n1md4 | I can connect to those. |
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| 01:05.04 | gnarface | n1md4: so you perhaps have a routing issue? its could be trying to find the crossover host over the outbound gateway and failing because the outbound gateway can't get an arp response from it... ? |
| 01:06.41 | n1md4 | pfff not sure, they're on separate subnets though, and I've configured a fair few clusters over the years. |
| 01:07.06 | n1md4 | I'm not saying i've got all config right, but ... i'm stumped. |
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| 01:08.29 | n1md4 | how would I go about tracking a routing issue though? |
| 01:08.34 | gnarface | n1md4: uh, i would say as a test, try to see if they can reach each other if they're only connected to each other over the crossover cable, are on the same subnet and (probably) that the gateway is disconfigured |
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| 01:08.40 | serard | Hello |
| 01:09.02 | gnarface | n1md4: or if you want to just figure out where its routing now, just tcpdump on all intefaces and try to ping and see where its going |
| 01:09.15 | gnarface | n1md4: i suspect you will see that its not going where its supposed to be going |
| 01:09.32 | serard | How can I add PGP for APT to be happy with some deb squeeze ? I added this line deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main But I get the PGP warning |
| 01:09.33 | gnarface | n1md4: it can be helpful to traceroute in tcp/ip mode as well |
| 01:09.41 | gnarface | n1md4: (you'll need to be root) |
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| 01:11.24 | n1md4 | serard: $ gpg --keyserver <a-key-server-address> --recv-keys <the-key-to-add> |
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| 01:11.58 | gnarface | n1md4: now you're saying that both machines have 2 ethernet devices, and in each one of them one is connected to the gateway and the other is a crossover cable to the other machine? |
| 01:12.02 | n1md4 | serard: actually, just read here http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/05/apt-get-update-how-to-solve-no-public-key-available/ |
| 01:12.09 | n1md4 | yes |
| 01:12.12 | n1md4 | that's it. |
| 01:12.16 | serard | n1md4: thank you ! |
| 01:12.26 | n1md4 | I'm happy to print out n/i if you like? |
| 01:12.30 | n1md4 | serard: np ;) |
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| 01:13.12 | gnarface | n1md4: yea i think for what you want to do to work you probably have to like have ip forwarding enabled on both machines or proxy arp requests or something |
| 01:13.49 | gnarface | n1md4: think about it how would the arp broadcast from the gateway get a response if it is looking for something not conneted to it? |
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| 01:14.31 | gnarface | n1md4: if you think about the ethernet at the physical layer and how arp works to connect the physical layer to the ip stack it seems more obvious how this could be failing to me |
| 01:14.52 | serard | n1md4: I get this : wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net: Host not found |
| 01:16.36 | n1md4 | serard: have a look for public key servers, and one you'd trust. |
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| 01:17.00 | n1md4 | gnarface: here, in case I've give you the wrong impression http://pastie.org/5425530 |
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| 01:21.20 | n1md4 | serard: wwwkeys.pgp.net replaces wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net |
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| 01:27.54 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 01:28.42 | bluesm | I couldn't acquire the result (xfce manager on the start of system) but, Is there any list of things (to execute) after login (from bash) |
| 01:28.44 | bluesm | ? |
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| 01:31.03 | bluesm | ? |
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| 01:37.24 | Dixen | I do not see the option of creating such partitions in the installer disk options page |
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| 01:53.04 | JohnnyL | Hey, how can I change the key repeat delay rate in X? |
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| 01:56.43 | JohnnyL | hello? |
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| 01:59.48 | nopf | JohnnyL: maybe with some configuration GUI? |
| 02:00.04 | nopf | JohnnyL: else use xset |
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| 02:02.41 | JohnnyL | nopf: k |
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| 02:15.15 | rwp | Dixen, Regarding reiserfs4. No. There is no option in the debian-installer for it. ext2,ext3,ext4,jfs,xfs,fat16,fat32 just looked. But you could probably pre-format it and then choose to install over the top without formatting it. |
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| 02:21.37 | JohnnyL | nope |
| 02:22.58 | JohnnyL | maybe if the open sores programmers stopped eating toe cheese this would actually work. |
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| 02:26.03 | mmnicolas | JohnnyL: any desktop environment offered this since ever, if you can't figure it out just use xset |
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| 02:27.16 | JohnnyL | mmnicolas: no |
| 02:28.11 | mmnicolas | JohnnyL: no what ?! |
| 02:29.07 | JohnnyL | no sir |
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| 02:29.37 | helena_ | I accidentally removed a virtual host file for apache that I have no backup of yet. |
| 02:29.40 | mmnicolas | that's better but still not an answer |
| 02:29.41 | helena_ | this is erm... |
| 02:29.48 | helena_ | on a server |
| 02:29.54 | helena_ | How can I get it back? |
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| 02:30.01 | helena_ | I know there is no bin. |
| 02:30.10 | helena_ | I can't reload apache now when it's needed. |
| 02:30.23 | helena_ | wait.... |
| 02:30.30 | helena_ | retrieved it |
| 02:30.34 | helena_ | phew that was close |
| 02:30.34 | mmnicolas | helena_: if the file is in use you can |
| 02:30.36 | helena_ | thanks anyway |
| 02:30.47 | helena_ | mmnicolas: How? O.o |
| 02:32.05 | helena_ | mmnicolas: How cause i lost a massive chunk for the file. |
| 02:32.09 | helena_ | they're Ip addresses |
| 02:32.43 | mmnicolas | the proc/fd thing |
| 02:32.52 | helena_ | ... |
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| 02:33.24 | helena_ | I don't have an fd mmnicolas |
| 02:33.37 | mmnicolas | proc/$PID/fd |
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| 02:35.14 | helena_ | bloody hell! |
| 02:35.15 | helena_ | noooo |
| 02:35.16 | helena_ | :( |
| 02:35.26 | helena_ | CRASH |
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| 02:37.15 | PiTBuLL | hi |
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| 02:37.38 | mmnicolas | hi |
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| 02:38.42 | helena_ | mmnicolas: It's not there. :( |
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| 02:38.53 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 02:39.09 | mmnicolas | hi |
| 02:39.24 | helena_ | mmnicolas: There must be a way around it. |
| 02:39.36 | helena_ | a digital footprint |
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| 02:40.21 | mmnicolas | helena_: dd the disk and grep through it |
| 02:40.29 | bluesm | We all have /etc/environment... and to load environment variables i could do "source /etc/environment" Right ? |
| 02:40.56 | bluesm | Modify /etc/environment and then source it... |
| 02:41.09 | helena_ | O.o |
| 02:41.13 | helena_ | bluesm: :o |
| 02:41.15 | helena_ | O.o |
| 02:41.38 | bluesm | But what about, Graphical user interface ? I mean how to affect all Gui programs ? |
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| 02:42.10 | bluesm | ? |
| 02:42.34 | mmnicolas | bluesm: you don't need to source it, it is read before your own ~/.profile |
| 02:44.01 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Yeah, But I mean, to changing and applying it... |
| 02:44.36 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Say you wanna, Find Proxy Server which works, And alternate between several ip adressess... |
| 02:44.38 | bluesm | Right ? |
| 02:44.48 | helena_ | :o |
| 02:44.49 | helena_ | O.o |
| 02:44.54 | mmnicolas | whoa, I'm getting it even less now |
| 02:45.23 | mmnicolas | a proxy for what ? |
| 02:46.19 | bluesm | mmnicolas: For example I want to modify , http_proxy=216.25.32.242:3128 variable several times. |
| 02:46.19 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.36 | bluesm | I have to source it to apply it in Bash right ? |
| 02:46.42 | bluesm | (After change) ? |
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| 02:47.41 | bluesm | ? |
| 02:47.53 | helena_ | WOWSORS! |
| 02:47.54 | mmnicolas | assuming you have a script which find viable anonymous proxies and export http_proxy=$proxy |
| 02:48.47 | helena_ | mmnicolas: I've found that method to be inefficient |
| 02:48.51 | helena_ | it works and all... |
| 02:49.08 | helena_ | just not on every script u could run on the bash prompt. |
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| 02:49.20 | mmnicolas | what ? |
| 02:50.04 | mmnicolas | yes, not everything will honor that variable |
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| 02:54.08 | bluesm | Ok. But how make gui program to even source, this. |
| 02:54.22 | bluesm | Without restarting whole Gui session |
| 02:54.24 | bluesm | ? |
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| 02:54.56 | mmnicolas | you'll need to check them out one by one |
| 02:55.15 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Check what ? |
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| 02:55.36 | helena_ | bluesm: Note that bash proxy variable will only work with a cli prog and wont work with all of em. |
| 02:55.40 | helena_ | Like... |
| 02:55.55 | mmnicolas | test if their honor http_proxy by default, if not, check why, search for a workaround, implement it |
| 02:55.56 | bluesm | cli prog ? |
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| 02:56.02 | helena_ | Irssi doesn't support passworded proxies. It bypassed the bash variables too. |
| 02:56.05 | bluesm | helena_: ^ |
| 02:56.11 | helena_ | bluesm: Command Line Interface |
| 02:56.19 | helena_ | it's like your GUI only non graphical |
| 02:56.31 | mmnicolas | helena_: not necessarily, a few graphical web browser will use it |
| 02:56.32 | helena_ | everything is a text prompt and progs are text based too |
| 02:56.39 | helena_ | mmnicolas: Like? |
| 02:56.40 | helena_ | O.o |
| 02:56.44 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Yes chromium honor http_proxy for me. |
| 02:56.57 | helena_ | oh |
| 02:56.58 | cusco | :) |
| 02:56.59 | mmnicolas | helena_: see. |
| 02:57.01 | helena_ | that's new to me lol |
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| 02:57.54 | helena_ | https://helena.bozyakaegitim.gov.tr/ |
| 02:57.57 | mmnicolas | bluesm: what else ? |
| 02:58.03 | helena_ | Yeah that's new to me. lol haha |
| 02:58.11 | helena_ | thanks for letting me know that! |
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| 02:58.34 | helena_ | tho... running a web browser from a terminal is a bad idea. |
| 02:58.54 | helena_ | cause it will use up more |
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| 02:58.57 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Iceweasel not, I haven't noticed anything else... |
| 02:59.16 | helena_ | it would be for both the terminal plus the browser be using an extra process |
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| 03:00.17 | mmnicolas | what ? he doesn't need to launch it from a terminal |
| 03:00.21 | helena_ | If anyone manages to force Irssi to use a passworded proxy then pls let me know. |
| 03:00.26 | mmnicolas | it just has to be set before X launches |
| 03:00.35 | helena_ | oh yeah good point |
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| 03:04.18 | bluesm | So you don't know ? |
| 03:04.35 | mmnicolas | helena_: /SET irssiproxy_password secret |
| 03:04.41 | mmnicolas | bluesm: what ? |
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| 03:05.05 | helena_ | mmnicolas: O.o |
| 03:05.06 | bluesm | mmnicolas: to run Chromium, with new environment variables |
| 03:05.09 | helena_ | oh now someone tells me! |
| 03:05.10 | helena_ | :/ |
| 03:05.11 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Without restarting. |
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| 03:05.15 | helena_ | the docs didn't have it |
| 03:05.19 | helena_ | nobody knew of it |
| 03:05.30 | helena_ | people kept telling me Irssi can't use passworded proxies |
| 03:05.34 | helena_ | geez :/ lol |
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| 03:06.07 | mmnicolas | bluesm: you will at least need to restart Chromium, start it with "HTTP_PROXY=blablabla:3128 chromium" |
| 03:06.23 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.40 | mmnicolas | helena_: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy |
| 03:06.57 | bluesm | mmnicolas: So "chromium HTTP_PROXY=blablabla:3128 chromium This change environment variable for Chromium Right ? |
| 03:07.40 | mmnicolas | bluesm: no, "HTTP_PROXY=blablabla:3128 chromium" will start chromium with HTTP_PROXY set to blablabla:3128 |
| 03:07.53 | helena_ | rite lol |
| 03:08.46 | bluesm | mmnicolas: So bash syntax is [eventual environ variable] [command] [options to command] |
| 03:08.48 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Right ? |
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| 03:09.20 | mmnicolas | I wouldn't call it the bash syntax but that's one of the ways things work yes. |
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| 03:10.15 | helena_ | :o |
| 03:10.23 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Thank you very very much! |
| 03:10.24 | bluesm | :) |
| 03:10.32 | mmnicolas | bluesm: http://wiki.debian.org/ShellIntroduction |
| 03:11.12 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.47 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:13.53 | nsadmin | bluesm you can do A=some B=thing lowercase=OK miXEd=oktoo command args |
| 03:14.14 | bluesm | mmnicolas: ? I don't get it. |
| 03:14.41 | nsadmin | bluesm install bash-doc and info then you can info bash, very detailed, it's a reference doc and it's easy to read |
| 03:16.03 | bluesm | nsadmin: Ok. But where I can find what "o A=some B=thing lowercase=OK miXEd=oktoo" are ? |
| 03:18.31 | nsadmin | so this is fairly general... do you understand what env vars are, where they're stored and how they work? (and are you curious about that) |
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| 03:20.24 | nsadmin | (I did hear your question... the answer has some dependencies, so I'm holding off for a few mins) |
| 03:20.30 | bluesm | nsadmin: Only thing I know is: Env variable are settled by the Operating system to be used by programs. |
| 03:20.46 | nsadmin | ok. so are you curious? |
| 03:21.04 | bluesm | nsadmin: Program could probably say, get the variable about screen resolution and adjust their content. |
| 03:21.09 | bluesm | nsadmin: Yes I'm |
| 03:21.22 | nsadmin | ok... you understand what a process is? |
| 03:21.58 | nsadmin | bluesm, good observation. |
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| 03:23.44 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.18 | nsadmin | a process is essentially one of many pieces that can be made to run at the same time |
| 03:24.26 | bluesm | nsadmin: Probably, some "memory space + processor power" provided by OS ? |
| 03:24.32 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.37 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:25.04 | nsadmin | so if there are two processes, they can be made to run at the same time |
| 03:25.26 | nsadmin | and processes as you observe have storage for information |
| 03:25.56 | nsadmin | one thing they store is their -own- copy of a collection of environment variables |
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| 03:27.52 | bluesm | nsadmin: Is it helpful. I don't think so environment variable are so heavily use. So why all the program don't share one file of environment variable ? |
| 03:28.59 | nsadmin | so, each process has a collection of environment variables, and mostly the value of those variables are meant to influence the process. |
| 03:29.02 | nsadmin | for example |
| 03:29.30 | nsadmin | all processes have their own copy of the variable CWD |
| 03:30.02 | nsadmin | the value of this variable is where that process is cd-ed to |
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| 03:31.11 | seeker61 | need to know how to determine the ip address of the router that my machine is wired to |
| 03:31.24 | seeker61 | i have tried ip -d addr without success |
| 03:31.39 | nsadmin | try tracerouting soemwhere |
| 03:31.49 | nsadmin | it should be the first hop |
| 03:32.05 | bluesm | nsadmin: ok. |
| 03:33.12 | bluesm | seeker61: route -n |
| 03:33.19 | nsadmin | in bash, when you write A=foo B=bar somecommand, bash will create a new process and set A and B IN THAT PROCESS |
| 03:33.28 | seeker61 | bluesm: ok thanks |
| 03:33.30 | bluesm | seeker61: And probably default gateway. |
| 03:33.51 | seeker61 | bluesm: i will try that now |
| 03:33.59 | nsadmin | and then cause the process to start somecommand |
| 03:34.40 | nsadmin | so then you're looking at two -separate- processes, the new one having A and B |
| 03:35.09 | nsadmin | and then the meaning of A and B is whatever somecommand makes of them |
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| 03:35.43 | nsadmin | that's pretty much it for the general part of this |
| 03:35.58 | nsadmin | we can get specifric by introducing your particular situation |
| 03:36.34 | nsadmin | which I've forgotten, so you'd have to tell me now if you want to see what's up |
| 03:37.13 | bluesm | nsadmin: If you have time :) |
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| 03:37.39 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:38.17 | johnfg | at present, my grub.cfg has a bogus entry for debian lenny (don't run it much, but need to get some things from there occasionally). |
| 03:38.31 | nsadmin | thanks for considering that... |
| 03:38.55 | nsadmin | why do you say its bogus? |
| 03:38.59 | johnfg | Is there a way to run grub-mkconfig to check and see if it corrects things, i.e., discovers where lenny is? |
| 03:39.05 | nsadmin | does it boot the lenny? |
| 03:39.18 | johnfg | nsadmin, No, that's the problem. |
| 03:40.31 | johnfg | If I don't give grub-mkconfig the -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg, will it just generate to standard out? |
| 03:40.56 | seeker61 | bluesm: it gives me the ip and when i put that in my browser so i can configure it differently iceweasal cannot find it |
| 03:41.20 | nsadmin | under debian, there is a command called update-grub (and update=-grug2) and if osprober is installed, running this commend will look for linuxes and (for example) windows loaders and other oses |
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| 03:43.39 | nsadmin | bluesm, so give me a few mins, let the general stuff sink in a bit |
| 03:44.00 | johnfg | nsadmin, right, but it's not succeeding with lenny, as I saw what it did on standard out. |
| 03:44.08 | bluesm | seeker61: Use commas :P. Are you sure You put the "gateway" address ? |
| 03:44.17 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.43 | johnfg | It sees lenny and win xp. winxp it boots fine, but the info for lenny isn't correct. |
| 03:45.31 | nsadmin | johnfg, you may be able to discover how to boot it in the grub shell |
| 03:45.39 | seeker61 | destination 192.168.1.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 destination 0.0.0.,0 gateway 192.168.1.1 the 1.1 is my linksys router i want to know the netgear router |
| 03:46.01 | seeker61 | blesm: what is tracert comman in unix |
| 03:46.20 | seeker61 | bluesm: sorry did not spell |
| 03:47.15 | seeker61 | bluesm: what is tracert command in unix |
| 03:47.25 | nsadmin | traceroute |
| 03:48.31 | nsadmin | and traceroute -n someIP will stop it from looking up IPs |
| 03:48.43 | seeker61 | first hop is my linksys router i want to know what my netgear is that is on this computer |
| 03:49.26 | nsadmin | what's the second hop? |
| 03:50.09 | seeker61 | 10.251.198.1 |
| 03:50.31 | nsadmin | could that be what you're looking for? |
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| 03:51.29 | seeker61 | would a router on my network be a 192.168. something.something |
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| 03:53.45 | seeker61 | nsadmin: thanks for your help got to get to bed had a very tiring day |
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| 03:57.36 | bluesm | nsadmin: What does mean "where that process is cd-ed to" |
| 03:57.44 | bluesm | I mean "cd-ed" ? |
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| 03:58.25 | nsadmin | when you're in a shell, have you ever used cd? |
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| 03:59.55 | LtL | bluesm: cd = change directory |
| 04:00.12 | LtL | nsadmin: sorry :) |
| 04:00.21 | nsadmin | no problem :) |
| 04:00.47 | bluesm | nsadmin: Yeah. But "ed" ? |
| 04:01.11 | LtL | bluesm: cd = change directory past tense, as in cd'd to another dir |
| 04:01.14 | nsadmin | ignore that... |
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| 04:01.56 | bluesm | nsadmin: Ok. Thanks :) |
| 04:02.06 | bluesm | nsadmin: So wait ? |
| 04:02.47 | nsadmin | just remember that CWD influences the process by pointing at the "Current Working Directory"... try this: echo $CWD |
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| 04:04.39 | bluesm | nsadmin: echo $CWD returns... blank line. |
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| 04:05.46 | LtL | bluesm: try pwd |
| 04:05.48 | nsadmin | oh! I got the name wrong... it's $PWD |
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| 04:07.49 | nsadmin | so, each process has its own PWD var, so each process can have a different current working dir, and it knows its current working dir by reading its own $PWD |
| 04:08.58 | bluesm | nsadmin: Ok. Thank you very very much! :) |
| 04:09.12 | nsadmin | and that's the end of the example |
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| 04:09.25 | nsadmin | now, what's your situation? |
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| 04:09.58 | bluesm | Mine ? |
| 04:10.10 | nsadmin | (I'm still tracking your question "where do you find out what these variables are and what the value means" |
| 04:10.47 | nsadmin | yeah, weren;t you running a command that set variables on the same line? |
| 04:12.03 | bluesm | nsadmin: to me ? |
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| 04:14.04 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.57 | nsadmin | ok, remember this: "<mmnicolas> bluesm: you will at least need to restart Chromium, start it with "HTTP_PROXY=blablabla:3128 chromium""? |
| 04:15.44 | bluesm | nsadmin: Yeah. And I get it. |
| 04:16.10 | bluesm | nsadmin: Ok one question. Is it kind of tree ? |
| 04:17.08 | bluesm | nsadmin: I mean If I start chromium from X-window, process get the environmental variable from X-window ? |
| 04:19.33 | mmnicolas | bluesm: how will you get the proxy addresses ? |
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| 04:20.50 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Just from sites like http://spys.ru/free-proxy-list/US/ |
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| 04:21.35 | bluesm | mmnicolas: I know it is no to safe but I use it only for say looking at "spotify" or "songza" |
| 04:22.01 | nsadmin | ok, is it a tree, you mean a tree of processes, and, yes, a new process will be the child of an existing process... and -some- env vars (those which are "export"ed) are sent from the existing process to the new process |
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| 04:25.25 | bluesm | mmnicolas: Anyway do know what is the purpose of providing, proxy addresses. I mean having the ip adress isn't cheap, so why people give access to proxy server away ? Say there http://spys.ru/free-proxy-list/US/ ? |
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| 04:29.44 | nsadmin | lots of times someone can put a proxy on their own net, typically inside |
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| 04:30.37 | nsadmin | and you would configure the client program to use the proxy (depending on what kind it is, in this case a web proxy) |
| 04:31.55 | nsadmin | I guess in chromium's case, it's known to be influenced by the variable HTTP_PROXY |
| 04:32.07 | bluesm | nsadmin: I get it, but why they give me access to it for free. |
| 04:32.35 | nsadmin | dunno, who is "they"? |
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| 04:37.27 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:38.00 | nsadmin | so that's a list of proxys? |
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| 04:39.18 | nsadmin | in general I'd say it's similar reason that people donate machines and bandwidth for mirrors |
| 04:39.23 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.25 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.50 | nsadmin | each person on the list could have their own reason |
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| 04:40.27 | bluesm | nsadmin: So there, in purpose of share anonymity for almost everyone. |
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| 04:42.12 | bluesm | nsadmin: So you think that the people with this purpose, sign up on this list themselves ? |
| 04:42.42 | nsadmin | or they send an email to the list maintainer |
| 04:43.04 | bluesm | nsadmin: Ok. Thank you very very much for your time :] |
| 04:43.13 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 04:43.18 | bluesm | nsadmin: Have nice night :) |
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| 04:44.04 | bluesm | Bye :) |
| 04:44.09 | nsadmin | it's a good habit you have, to show consideration as you did for people's time |
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| 04:50.49 | AndChat|79476 | nsadmin: all we have in our life is time. :) |
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| 04:56.42 | nsadmin | AndChat|79476, and aliveness/level of vitality |
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| 05:20.19 | techie | when running multiple monitors my mouse is able to enter the area between my screens ( black area on this screenshot http://technz.info/public/wallx4.png ), is there any way to stop the mouse from entering these zones? |
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| 05:24.01 | Rusty1 | techie: there is a #xorg channel, if nobody here can help |
| 05:24.33 | techie | thanks Rusty1 ill head there soonish, ive gotta reboot from windows to debian in a minute to work on alsa |
| 05:25.28 | Rusty1 | theres a #alsa channel as well |
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| 05:26.16 | techie | Deathvalley122, whats up? |
| 05:26.45 | Deathvalley122 | nm techie |
| 05:26.48 | Deathvalley122 | you? |
| 05:27.06 | techie | annoying little things |
| 05:27.20 | Deathvalley122 | like what? |
| 05:27.23 | techie | mouse going off screen, alsa not working with usb sound card... you know... the usual |
| 05:27.34 | Deathvalley122 | xD |
| 05:27.41 | Deathvalley122 | that's Linux for ya |
| 05:28.23 | Deathvalley122 | I just got done dual booting this laptop |
| 05:28.43 | Deathvalley122 | first time I messed up the windows partition and had to use a recovery disc lol |
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| 05:28.49 | Deathvalley122 | boy that was a lot of fun |
| 05:28.53 | techie | ive gotta get my multiple monitors working properly, my mouse is going into null space between screens |
| 05:29.16 | techie | http://technz.info/public/wallx4.png |
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| 05:30.23 | techie | time to boot debian |
| 05:30.28 | techie | back in a tick |
| 05:30.46 | Deathvalley122 | that's umm |
| 05:30.49 | Deathvalley122 | interesting lol |
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| 05:37.45 | techie | back |
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| 06:01.56 | Caesiumhydroxide | long live landru! |
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| 06:18.58 | buu | So! |
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| 06:23.25 | buu | Anyone alive and want to talk about the correct way to bridge xen children? |
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| 06:28.54 | somiaj | have you looked at the wiki, I had not trouble doing it to set up bridging my kvm vm's |
| 06:29.22 | buu | somiaj: I'm looking at the wiki right now, but it's incredibly vague about the actual bridge commands |
| 06:29.26 | buu | And/or user stupidity, etc. |
| 06:29.28 | somiaj | buu: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Configure_Networking |
| 06:30.19 | buu | somiaj: I did that! |
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| 06:30.32 | buu | I'm not sure what it means about iptables though |
| 06:31.18 | somiaj | yea I would have to look up what I did (I had a hd go bad and haven't rset up bridging) |
| 06:31.19 | buu | Ok. I can manually give the vm an ip and it can ping the host |
| 06:31.40 | somiaj | but I never had to use iptables for kvm (though the issue is how to you tell the guests to use the bridge, with kvm it was a matter of just adding an option in the cerating of the vm) |
| 06:31.54 | buu | somiaj: I just added the iface br0 line |
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| 06:32.49 | somiaj | can you put a copy of your /etc/network/interfaces (for the host) at paste.debian.net |
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| 06:33.49 | buu | somiaj: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/215054 |
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| 06:34.24 | somiaj | buu: you haven't hooked the bridge to an network card, so it is just a bridge |
| 06:34.31 | somiaj | buu: is eth0 your only network card? |
| 06:34.43 | buu | Yep |
| 06:35.00 | somiaj | you want to make eth0 a manual configuration |
| 06:35.06 | somiaj | iface eth0 inet manual |
| 06:35.10 | buu | uh |
| 06:35.16 | somiaj | you then want to bridge_ports eth0 (in your bridge) |
| 06:35.18 | buu | How would I manually configure it if the machine restarts? |
| 06:35.36 | somiaj | you need eth0 to be using your bridge, and it is manually configured by your bridge settings, so change your bridge static ip's accordingly |
| 06:35.52 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Configuring_bridging_in_.2BAC8-etc.2BAC8-network.2BAC8-interfaces |
| 06:36.02 | somiaj | look at the second example for how you do it |
| 06:36.45 | buu | I'll give it a go |
| 06:37.03 | somiaj | the only issue with this is you don't have a router |
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| 06:37.24 | buu | Right.. |
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| 06:37.30 | buu | I also can't access this machine's console |
| 06:37.32 | somiaj | since your eth0 seems to be an ip given to you by your isp, you need to somehow put a router inbetween your isp and your guests |
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| 06:37.51 | somiaj | so you may need to add an eth0:1 device that will be your gateway/router for all the vm's |
| 06:38.06 | somiaj | (and then forward all that trafic though eth0 to get it on the internet) |
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| 06:38.38 | buu | ohmagods |
| 06:39.03 | somiaj | I'm a novice and when I did it I just have a linksys router between me and my isp, so that did all the route, dhcp and stuff for my vms and all I had to do was configure teh bridge |
| 06:39.11 | somiaj | but it looks like you need a much more soposicated configuration. |
| 06:39.25 | somiaj | (i.e. you have to build a whole subnet for your vms to live on since you don't live in one already) |
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| 06:40.00 | buu | somiaj: This is starting to worry me slightly! |
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| 06:41.07 | buu | somiaj: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/215055 something like that? |
| 06:41.14 | somiaj | buu: lets try this, the only modification you need to make to your /etc/network/interfaces file is to add an eth0:1 device, so "iface eth0:1 inet manual" and then bind that device to your bridge, "bridge_ports eth0:1" |
| 06:41.41 | buu | ok.. |
| 06:41.56 | somiaj | buu: that would have been my suggestion had you been on an internal subnet, so lets first set you up an eternal subet (and keep your eth0 alone for access to the outside world) |
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| 06:42.29 | buu | Seems reasonable. |
| 06:43.07 | buu | somiaj: Do I need to do anything else? |
| 06:43.11 | somiaj | brign down the bridge and then bring it back up |
| 06:43.18 | somiaj | ifdown br0, ifup br0 |
| 06:43.29 | buu | ifdown: interface br0 not configured |
| 06:43.31 | buu | heh |
| 06:44.02 | somiaj | buu: hmm, can you bring up the eth0:1 device, ifup eth0:1 (again I am a novice so please take my advise with some sthought) |
| 06:44.02 | buu | somiaj: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/215056 |
| 06:44.16 | buu | That works |
| 06:44.31 | somiaj | ok ifconfig -a (does eht eth0:1 device have the 192.168.1.1 as its address)? |
| 06:44.47 | buu | somiaj: Wouldn't I need to assign that ip to it? |
| 06:45.04 | somiaj | it should take on the ip of teh bridge (I belive...again this is what I think mine did) |
| 06:45.32 | somiaj | unforntally my hd died so I can't just look at my old config files, :/ |
| 06:45.40 | buu | Oh hey, it did |
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| 06:45.44 | buu | well |
| 06:45.54 | buu | No it didn't, br0 is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 06:46.28 | somiaj | so you can ping 192.168.1.1 and ssh to it (From the host and the guest vms)? |
| 06:47.00 | somiaj | (maybe you don't need an extra eth0:1 here, maybe you do -- again novice so I would have to play around with it) |
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| 06:49.21 | buu | somiaj: Good question.. |
| 06:49.57 | buu | somiaj: Yes I can ssh to it from both sides |
| 06:50.16 | somiaj | buu: so your network is up and your guests and hosts can talk, so now it is an iptables issue |
| 06:50.23 | buu | Yeah, it must be.. |
| 06:50.38 | somiaj | now you have to route your bridge (or eth0:1 since you bound it to the bridge) to eth0 so data can get to the outside |
| 06:50.46 | somiaj | look up basic iptables nat howto |
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| 06:51.11 | somiaj | adjust (again not sure how different things are working with a bridge, since I never had to route a bridge, I only had to bridge) |
| 06:51.33 | buu | Will do, a dude is giving me some help in #xen |
| 06:51.46 | somiaj | buu: you might want to try to ssh from the host to one of the guest (though you'll have get the ipfor teh guest form inside the guest) |
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| 06:52.08 | somiaj | but yea sounds like youset up your bridge correctly, it was an iptables/routing issue alalong |
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| 06:52.35 | buu | Hope so.. |
| 06:52.39 | buu | Also I wish I knew something about iptables |
| 06:53.37 | somiaj | 'iptables nat howto' should give you enough to nat the address |
| 06:53.54 | somiaj | rest is just basic firewall stuff you can pick up as you need.... |
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| 07:02.46 | boudiccas | How can i get my desktop icons back in lxde please? I'm missing my 'Home' and 'Trash' and all others |
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| 07:08.49 | somiaj | boudiccas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1458265 (that sound like your issue)? |
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| 07:15.08 | boudiccas | somiaj: not really, since i've been messing about with lxde and learning how it does things and how i can use it better, my icons have gone AWOL. i know how to get them back in xfce but i cant find a comparable way of doign it for lxde, thanks |
| 07:15.54 | somiaj | people seemd to have issues with that in that link, but it appears he uses gconf to get the icons (which seemed strange to me) |
| 07:17.23 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, lxde uses pcmanfm right? |
| 07:17.35 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, try pcmanfm --desktop from terminal |
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| 07:18.34 | boudiccas | dcherniv_: i've already run pcmanfm --desktop-pref but that just sets up wallpapers, doesnt help at all with the loss of icons |
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| 07:20.14 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, oh my no --desktop-pref seems to just open the dialog window for desktop setup |
| 07:20.21 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, try pcmanfm --desktop |
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| 07:21.50 | boudiccas | just tried it and it does nothing, |
| 07:22.00 | purf | hey all |
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| 07:24.42 | buu | Hrmph. |
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| 07:24.49 | buu | Why is networking so bloody difficult. |
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| 07:30.18 | maik | buu: problems? |
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| 07:31.19 | buu | maik: Yes! |
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| 07:31.30 | buu | My head is exploding in slow motion. |
| 07:31.47 | maik | can i help? |
| 07:31.51 | buu | maik: I'm trying to get xen guests to talk to the internet and am having zero joy. |
| 07:32.07 | maik | asplain |
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| 07:33.06 | buu | maik: I need to create some kind of virtual/bridged network so my host can route packets from the guest |
| 07:33.17 | maik | right |
| 07:33.37 | buu | And I have no idea how to do that! |
| 07:34.08 | maik | oh |
| 07:34.15 | maik | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenNetworking ? |
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| 07:34.28 | buu | Just reading that actually. |
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| 07:36.52 | maik | apparently it's been too long since i've messed with this. i wish i could be more help |
| 07:37.24 | buu | Oh I broke things |
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| 07:38.10 | maik | weee |
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| 07:44.55 | trist4n | i have an install stuck on ``Running cdset``. |
| 07:45.00 | trist4n | any clues on what that actually is doing? |
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| 07:58.58 | Leoneof | hi, what happened to Hyper Estraier in wheezy? i can't find it! |
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| 08:02.19 | mehdi | i'm newbie to debian, anyone can guide me to install wine-1.4.1.tar.bz2 in terminal step by step? |
| 08:03.10 | Dan39 | whats wrong with wine from repo? |
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| 08:03.48 | mehdi | my file (wine-1.4.1.tar.bz2) is located in Downloads |
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| 08:04.12 | Dan39 | you can apt-get install wine |
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| 08:07.15 | mehdi | i want to install wine package which is located in folder downloads |
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| 08:07.58 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, you |
| 08:08.12 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, err this is source package |
| 08:08.16 | dcherniv_ | !source |
| 08:08.17 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 08:09.17 | mehdi | i downloaded wine 1.4.1 package |
| 08:09.42 | mehdi | the package is in my downloads folder |
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| 08:10.17 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, apt-get build-dep wine |
| 08:10.32 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, tar xvf wine*.tar.bz2 |
| 08:10.35 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, cd wine* |
| 08:10.44 | dcherniv_ | mehdi, ./configure && make && make install |
| 08:12.11 | somiaj | it is a little more complicated that that if you want to build on a 64bit enviorment. |
| 08:12.23 | somiaj | you can also choose to make a .deb from the source if you like. |
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| 08:17.24 | saedelaere | hi |
| 08:18.57 | saedelaere | I want to install debian squeeze to usb pen drive. i want to use the system as a proxy server later. is it sufficient to create a usb pen live media, or do I have to really install debian to the usb pen drive? |
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| 08:23.20 | mehdi | the first step done but in second command "tar xvf wine*.tar.bz2" gets error |
| 08:24.48 | mehdi | error is tar: wine-1.4.1.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 08:24.48 | mehdi | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 08:27.58 | jalalsfs | Hi everybody, I have a problem with tor and vidalia, I installed but I can't run it, look at this log file |
| 08:28.03 | jalalsfs | http://paste.debian.net/211947/ |
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| 08:59.14 | redax | hi |
| 09:00.25 | roger_rabbit | mehdi: is there any reason you want to compile it from source rather than just install from apt-get |
| 09:01.48 | roger_rabbit | jalalsfs: as sudo/root do '/etc/init.d/tor restart and see what it says |
| 09:01.53 | redax | is there a way to find 2.6.38 kernels for debian lenny, or it's better to compile my own? |
| 09:01.57 | mehdi | maybe i install it properly more than using apt-get?! |
| 09:02.15 | roger_rabbit | well yeah, just do apt-get install wine |
| 09:02.39 | somiaj | mehdi: what version of debian are you using? |
| 09:03.05 | mehdi | debian 6.0.2.1 |
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| 09:03.25 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, [ ok ] Stopping tor daemon...done (not running - there is no /var/run/tor/tor.pid). |
| 09:03.25 | jalalsfs | [ ok ] Starting tor daemon...done. |
| 09:03.25 | jelly-home | redax: there are no, and there were no 2.6.38 kernel builds made specifically for lenny |
| 09:03.53 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I got this |
| 09:03.59 | roger_rabbit | set your web browser to use a SOCKS5 proxy on 127.0.0.1:9050 |
| 09:04.08 | somiaj | redax: why do you need this kernel? And any reason you cannot upgrade to squeeze as lenny is no longer supported? |
| 09:04.09 | jelly-home | redax: you might try to wing it with 3.2 squeeze-backports kernel builds |
| 09:04.21 | redax | shall I try to compile the 2.6.38bpo kernels for squeeze to lenny? or better to make my very own? |
| 09:04.46 | somiaj | redax: I sould make your own kernel with make-kpkg |
| 09:04.55 | somiaj | would |
| 09:05.17 | redax | somiaj: unfortunatly upgrade is no option, proprietary stuffs depends to lenny |
| 09:05.42 | somiaj | redax: what are you looking to get out of this newer kernel? |
| 09:06.13 | redax | jelly: is it safe to run kernel 3.2 on lenny boxes? does kernel 3.2 depends on any kind of utility on the system? |
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| 09:07.23 | redax | somiaj: virtualbox :( I could not add more than 1 cpu to a guest in the actual installation. and found a condition in the vboxpci drv sources, for >= 2.6.35 |
| 09:07.36 | redax | actually I'm running 2.6.32-bpo kernel |
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| 09:08.16 | j4jackj | Hi I'm trying to install Debian with XFCE and GDM on a 4GB SD card. |
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| 09:08.24 | somiaj | I'm unsure how well a newer kernel will run on lenny. |
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| 09:08.35 | jelly-home | redax: no idea, try it and see |
| 09:08.36 | techie | is there any easy way to update to the latest version of alsa-base and alsa-drivers (1.0.25) without having to download and compile everythign by hand |
| 09:08.38 | j4jackj | somiaj get squeeze. |
| 09:08.57 | redax | uhm, the main problem the server is 120km far from me :) |
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| 09:09.13 | somiaj | j4jackj: redax says he has reason why he cannot upgrade. |
| 09:09.29 | roger_rabbit | time to format and upgrade, run lenny in a vbox for the proprietary stuff |
| 09:09.42 | j4jackj | try rolling. are you on dialup? |
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| 09:10.04 | somiaj | techie: what version of debian? |
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| 09:10.20 | techie | Some_Person, squeeze i believe |
| 09:10.30 | techie | somiaj, squeeze i believe |
| 09:10.36 | j4jackj | stable is semi-rolling. i.e., when squeeze is replaced by wheezy, you'll get wheezy on your next, big, update. |
| 09:10.47 | redax | roger_rabbit: as soon as I will be next to the server, it will be upgraded/ moved to vbox the actual lenny |
| 09:10.57 | somiaj | ,v alsa-base |
| 09:10.58 | judd | Package: alsa-base on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; sid: 1.0.25+2+nmu2; wheezy: 1.0.25+2+nmu2 |
| 09:11.18 | somiaj | ,check-backport alsa-base |
| 09:11.19 | judd | Backporting package alsa-base in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze-backports. |
| 09:11.33 | redax | but I am not that though guy who migrate the whole server to squeeze meanwhile moving the lenny dependant stuffs to Vbox, from remote :) |
| 09:11.37 | somiaj | techie: it looks like you can make the backports easy enough, /msg dpkg ssbp for instructions |
| 09:11.38 | j4jackj | testing is rolling, i.e. it contains tested but experimental packages recommended for daily use to experts and people who care about the latest. |
| 09:11.39 | roger_rabbit | are you using vbox-ose or regular, i would see if there is a work around in the kernel mod, rather than the kernel.. maybe vmware is an option? |
| 09:11.41 | jelly-home | techie: I wouldn't bet on an easy way to upgrade alsa userspace. |
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| 09:12.11 | jelly-home | techie: why do you need newer userspace and not just newer drivers? |
| 09:12.38 | j4jackj | unstable is rolling, and is what it says on the tin. it keeps breaking things. only add experimental if you're a dev. |
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| 09:12.50 | techie | im not sure if i need the new userspace, but all the guides seem to to alsa base and alsa-drivers so i guess i should also |
| 09:12.53 | roger_rabbit | have you already rebuilt your dkms mods from source installing the headers source files, with /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup? |
| 09:12.59 | redax | roger_rabbit: the ose I think, what you can download from virtualbox.org as *.run file |
| 09:13.20 | somiaj | techie: have you tried the 3.2 kernel backported for squeeze-backports. It should contain the newer drivers |
| 09:13.24 | roger_rabbit | the ose package is available from apt-get repo under virtualbox-ose |
| 09:13.27 | redax | because they're no longer release new versions to lenny, the latest is 4.1.22 |
| 09:13.58 | techie | somiaj, nope, your the first person to even whisper anything like tht |
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| 09:14.38 | roger_rabbit | you might want to try installing via the repo, editing your /etc/apt/sources.list and all that, installing the extras package as well, then install 'linux-headers' and run vboxdrv setup |
| 09:15.01 | roger_rabbit | when i say the repo i mean from virtualbox repo |
| 09:15.02 | somiaj | techie: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/215056 -- add squeeze backports to you sources then install the 3.2 kernel from there (it should contain newer alsa drivers for your card) |
| 09:15.06 | roger_rabbit | they should have directions on the site |
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| 09:15.49 | redax | roger_rabbit: why should I use the -ose version instead of the downloaded 4.2.4 ? |
| 09:16.01 | roger_rabbit | use the downloaded one |
| 09:16.01 | techie | somiaj, umm, thats a network config |
| 09:16.12 | somiaj | techie: arg, old copy |
| 09:16.22 | somiaj | techie: http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 09:16.29 | roger_rabbit | but install it from the repo, instead of the .run, install the linux-headers and recompile the mods (if you haven't already) |
| 09:17.26 | redax | roger_rabbit: I have the headers, and recompiled the modules. |
| 09:18.09 | redax | roger_rabbit: just after inserting the vbox modules I have this mesg: [60585.012468] vboxpci: IOMMU not found (not compiled) |
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| 09:18.53 | somiaj | most likely your hardware doesn't support IOMMU |
| 09:19.40 | redax | it should support, HP Proliant ML110 G5 with xeon X3210 |
| 09:19.48 | somiaj | did it error out, or just give you that warning and load the module just fine. |
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| 09:20.13 | redax | starting a vm which configured to use more CPU than one gives: |
| 09:20.15 | redax | VBoxManage: error: VT-x features locked or unavailable in MSR. (VERR_VMX_MSR_LOCKED_OR_DISABLED) |
| 09:20.29 | roger_rabbit | do you have it enabled in the BIOS? |
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| 09:20.49 | roger_rabbit | (VT-x) |
| 09:20.58 | redax | I think so, but I am not sure anymore. |
| 09:21.02 | roger_rabbit | also in your virtualbox preferences |
| 09:21.12 | roger_rabbit | and in the individual vm prefs |
| 09:21.17 | redax | how can one check without checking at the bios screen? |
| 09:21.20 | roger_rabbit | did it ever work? |
| 09:21.41 | roger_rabbit | or did you upgrade and now it's not working? |
| 09:21.45 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, There's no problem with browser the problem is in tor itself. |
| 09:21.54 | redax | yes. a few months before (or even a year) it has virtualbox 4.0.x and it worked |
| 09:22.00 | techie | somiaj, installing now, i will report after everythig is installed and rebooted |
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| 09:22.03 | roger_rabbit | right but check if tor is running in the browser |
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| 09:22.23 | roger_rabbit | when you set it to socks5 and visit wtfismyip.com what do you get? |
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| 09:23.33 | roger_rabbit | redax: i think your problem is a different problem resulting from the upgrade |
| 09:23.50 | roger_rabbit | redax: you might need to do some purging and reinstalling and etc. |
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| 09:24.13 | redax | I had a self compiled 2.6.27.4 kernel so far, I though it is the root of the problem, yesterday I upgradedd to 2.6.32-bpo kernel |
| 09:24.56 | redax | purging what? old kernel headers? or vbox related stuffs? |
| 09:24.57 | roger_rabbit | you could just install ose and disable/remove all the reg vbox stuff |
| 09:25.02 | roger_rabbit | both |
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| 09:26.34 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I can't open any website now. |
| 09:26.52 | redax | in VBoxPciInternal.h:28 there's an #if : |
| 09:27.02 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Is that mean that tor doesn't work? |
| 09:27.09 | roger_rabbit | do a ps -aux | grep tor see if it's running |
| 09:27.11 | redax | #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2, 6, 35) && defined(CONFIG_IOMMU_API) |
| 09:27.11 | redax | # define VBOX_WITH_IOMMU |
| 09:27.17 | roger_rabbit | check your firewall settings |
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| 09:27.33 | redax | I think this is where IOMMU is disabled :( |
| 09:28.07 | redax | that's why I'm trying to get a newer kernel for lenny |
| 09:28.57 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, http://paste.debian.net/211964/ |
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| 09:29.52 | roger_rabbit | but it worked fine with the old kernel before you upgraded virtualbox... i would use ose unless you need USB and all that |
| 09:29.59 | roger_rabbit | it runs leaner anyway |
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| 09:30.31 | roger_rabbit | jalalsfs: did you try killing the pid 8652 |
| 09:30.45 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I don't know about firewall settings, how can I see, |
| 09:30.49 | roger_rabbit | then restarting tor |
| 09:30.54 | roger_rabbit | iptables -L |
| 09:30.57 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Okay. |
| 09:31.02 | redax | no need for usb, and kinds like that, just a small tomcat Vbox, which needs 1 more cpu to run faster |
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| 09:31.27 | roger_rabbit | try ose, i run it headless |
| 09:31.39 | roger_rabbit | no need to install X |
| 09:32.16 | redax | yupp, I run the VMs in headles too |
| 09:32.17 | roger_rabbit | http://www.howtoforge.com/vboxheadless-running-virtual-machines-with-virtualbox-4.1-on-a-headless-ubuntu-12.04-server |
| 09:33.17 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I did kill 8652 |
| 09:33.25 | roger_rabbit | how about restart tor |
| 09:33.26 | jalalsfs | But with nothing |
| 09:34.10 | jalalsfs | /etc/init.d/tor restart |
| 09:34.10 | jalalsfs | [ ok ] Stopping tor daemon...done. |
| 09:34.10 | jalalsfs | [ ok ] Starting tor daemon...done. |
| 09:34.19 | roger_rabbit | try your socks browser now |
| 09:34.49 | roger_rabbit | run netstat -lnpt |
| 09:34.58 | roger_rabbit | see if tor is lisening on 9001 or 9050 |
| 09:35.14 | techie | good thing i know how to setup networking from the command line |
| 09:35.50 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Can't open the websites. |
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| 09:35.56 | techie | somiaj, im stuck in a root tty with no graphics, i believe i need to update my ATI fglrx drivers, would you agree? |
| 09:36.34 | somiaj | techie: you probabaly didn't install the headers with the 3.2 kernel, do that and then maybe reconfigure the fglrx drivers to build the module |
| 09:37.28 | techie | sorry to be annoying, but might you be able to paste me the commands, i dont exactly have much screen real estate to work with |
| 09:37.41 | roger_rabbit | techie: tmux |
| 09:38.08 | techie | also my other TTY's arent working, is this due to being in recovery? |
| 09:38.08 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:9050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 9080/tor |
| 09:38.10 | somiaj | techie: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-<kernel version> (I don't know the version number) |
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| 09:38.28 | roger_rabbit | okay, any https connections? |
| 09:38.39 | roger_rabbit | do netstat -ntp |
| 09:38.40 | somiaj | techie: then run, dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 09:40.10 | techie | thanks somiaj, hopefully i will be back within about 10 minutes or so |
| 09:40.51 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Look at this for firewall http://paste.debian.net/211967/ |
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| 09:41.33 | roger_rabbit | you have no firewall rules |
| 09:41.39 | roger_rabbit | how about https connections? |
| 09:41.41 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, and this for netstat -ntp http://paste.debian.net/211969/ |
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| 09:42.03 | redax | huh what extension is xz ? :) |
| 09:42.14 | maik | xz compression |
| 09:42.16 | roger_rabbit | tor looks to be running fine |
| 09:42.24 | roger_rabbit | your browser is probably not configured correctly |
| 09:42.45 | roger_rabbit | you have it set to use SOCKS5 only on 127.0.0.1 and port 9050 |
| 09:42.56 | maik | among other things, i think Parted Magic uses it for it its extensions |
| 09:43.05 | maik | tar + xz |
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| 09:43.52 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, The vidalia works fine with you? |
| 09:44.05 | roger_rabbit | i don't use vidalia |
| 09:44.20 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, you use just tor from command line? |
| 09:44.40 | roger_rabbit | vidalia is just a GUI wrapper |
| 09:45.44 | roger_rabbit | did you click the box 'use this proxy for all protocols' |
| 09:45.59 | roger_rabbit | because you shouldn't |
| 09:46.40 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, This is the second day I use debian, Can you please tell me is my sources.list correct or not? http://paste.debian.net/211971/ |
| 09:47.18 | roger_rabbit | looks good to me |
| 09:47.27 | roger_rabbit | check your browser config |
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| 09:48.20 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, No mistakes in it? |
| 09:48.43 | roger_rabbit | well, you are using a mix wheezy, sid, and testing |
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| 09:48.58 | blaualex | buongiorno |
| 09:49.27 | blaualex | !list |
| 09:49.27 | dpkg | blaualex: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 09:49.43 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I don't use sid, I want just to use testing |
| 09:49.52 | roger_rabbit | which did you install |
| 09:50.09 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, I mean I don't want to use sid or wheezy, I want to use only testing. |
| 09:50.25 | roger_rabbit | wheezy is testing |
| 09:50.35 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Weakly version |
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| 09:51.06 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, But wheezy is frozen. |
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| 09:51.23 | mschr | roger_rabbit, there's a 'Torbutton' extension for firefox - or try foxyproxy |
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| 09:51.57 | roger_rabbit | i don't need tor assistance, nor do i use firefox, but jalalsfs would probably like to know |
| 09:52.59 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Do you use Wheezy or sid? |
| 09:53.05 | roger_rabbit | as far as your tor problems go, sometimes stuff is broken, especially if you are using testing or unstable |
| 09:53.07 | roger_rabbit | neither |
| 09:53.28 | roger_rabbit | at least as a primary OS is concerned |
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| 09:54.57 | roger_rabbit | I have installed wheezy on a laptop or two, and it's gotten much better over time... still a few bugs though |
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| 09:56.17 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Thank you so so much for helping. |
| 09:56.26 | roger_rabbit | you are welcome |
| 09:56.38 | roger_rabbit | debian is a solid community i feel |
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| 09:57.54 | techie | okay, purged the old drivers, reverted back to generics and install proprietary drivers as we speak |
| 09:58.11 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, Yeah, is this package available in debian "prozilla"? |
| 09:58.24 | roger_rabbit | googles prozilla |
| 09:59.02 | roger_rabbit | is what a package? |
| 09:59.13 | techie | somiaj, doesnt seem to have made my sound card available, however i should be able to use the same commadns to pull alsa-drivers fromt he backports? |
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| 10:00.41 | roger_rabbit | only one way to find out, apt-get install prozilla |
| 10:00.47 | roger_rabbit | only one way to find out, apt-get install prozgui |
| 10:00.59 | roger_rabbit | apt-cache search prozilla |
| 10:01.08 | techie | roger_rabbit, wouldnt apt-cache search prozilla be a safer solution |
| 10:01.08 | roger_rabbit | should list all affiliated packages |
| 10:01.23 | roger_rabbit | nods |
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| 10:03.27 | jalalsfs | roger_rabbit, No package like this in debian, Thanks a lot. |
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| 10:15.02 | cybes | hi...could anyone tell me where i can find information about vncserver |
| 10:15.14 | cybes | my vncserver can't be started |
| 10:15.32 | stockholm | have you tried bing, if google fails? |
| 10:15.40 | cybes | :) |
| 10:15.48 | cybes | i meant any irc channel |
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| 10:16.14 | mschr | stockholm was that a joke? :) |
| 10:16.39 | stockholm | mschr: not really. |
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| 10:16.56 | mschr | laughs slightly over bad a bing |
| 10:17.00 | stockholm | i just found a irc channel, when googling for vnc server irc channel |
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| 10:17.11 | claint | cybes: you got another irc channel in case #debian fails? |
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| 10:17.27 | cybes | sorry i meant no offense |
| 10:17.43 | mschr | cybes, which package? |
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| 10:17.57 | cybes | i think vncserver can't be discussed here because this channel is purely based on debian |
| 10:18.12 | claint | if you are running on debian, why not |
| 10:18.12 | stockholm | btw, if googling is the verb for using goggle, what is the verb for using bing? binging? |
| 10:18.45 | claint | maybe it is already a verb, like b-ing. |
| 10:19.00 | cybes | actually i'm running debian on my local system and using centos in testserver |
| 10:19.35 | stockholm | There is also an IRC channel #tigervnc on Freenode. |
| 10:19.40 | cybes | and the vnc is installed in testserver..but i really appreciate any help in the error in vncserver |
| 10:19.46 | claint | goes back to finding the cause of libc segfaulting. |
| 10:20.25 | mschr | you should forward 5900 through 59XX ports to and from the testserver, where X is the number of displays of Xorg the vnc serves |
| 10:20.51 | mschr | e.g., 5901 by default setup is equivalent to connecting to an xorg-server running on DISPLAY=:1 |
| 10:20.58 | cybes | A VNC server is already running as :2 |
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| 10:21.24 | cybes | this is when i try to start using /sbin/service vncserver start |
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| 10:21.33 | mschr | my guess is, debugging "vncviewer testserverip:5902" will reveal your problem |
| 10:22.29 | cybes | i didn't got a vncviewer in my local system :( and i can't install it as i'm not root in here |
| 10:23.02 | mschr | nmap available? |
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| 10:23.18 | cybes | yeah |
| 10:23.31 | mschr | nmap -p5900-5920 localhost |
| 10:23.41 | mschr | sorry, localhost = testserverip |
| 10:23.46 | cybes | ok |
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| 10:24.32 | cybes | 5900/tcp closed vnc |
| 10:24.41 | cybes | 5904/tcp closed unknown |
| 10:24.59 | mschr | and vnc-2 also closed? |
| 10:25.15 | cybes | yeah 5902/tcp closed vnc-2 |
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| 10:25.22 | cybes | 5903/tcp closed vnc-3 |
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| 10:25.44 | mschr | see http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/VNC-Server#head-86a610f73b0fa6b5ecf2fe40f0bb301ea0038a26 |
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| 10:26.23 | cybes | mschr: i too refered that link earlier and done things like that |
| 10:26.28 | cybes | that lead me to this |
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| 10:26.53 | cybes | and i can't find iptables in /etc/sysconfig/ |
| 10:27.02 | cybes | only iptables-config |
| 10:27.17 | cybes | and it didn't contain the values as they mentioned |
| 10:27.26 | mschr | key is -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp -m multiport --dports 5901:5903,6001:6003 -j ACCEPT |
| 10:27.47 | mschr | for testing, you can run: 'iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp -m multiport --dports 5901:5903,6001:6003 -j ACCEPT' |
| 10:28.09 | cybes | i did vi iptables-config doesn't contain that line |
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| 10:28.24 | mschr | ammend it :) |
| 10:28.41 | cybes | ammend?sorry i didn't know the meaning of it |
| 10:28.52 | cybes | poor in vocabulary and english |
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| 10:29.16 | cybes | do i need to run it as a command in terminal |
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| 10:30.13 | mschr | on host with vncserver (centos testserver right?) add that line to your iptables config, then run /sbin/service iptables restart |
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| 10:30.49 | mschr | alternatively, run: 'iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp -m multiport --dports 5901:5903,6001:6003 -j ACCEPT' - and then run service iptables save |
| 10:31.20 | cybes | mschr: /sbin/service iptables |
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| 10:31.29 | cybes | no such file |
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| 10:31.51 | cybes | only iptables-config |
| 10:31.53 | mschr | if older version, run via /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
| 10:32.14 | cybes | oh ok |
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| 10:35.30 | cybes | mschr: will you pls check http://pastebin.com/6NvZtRdW |
| 10:35.51 | cybes | my iptables-config file is like that |
| 10:36.15 | mschr | thats the wrong file, correct one would be /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 10:36.34 | cybes | thats the problem ..i've no such file to edit |
| 10:36.38 | mschr | i would restart server completely |
| 10:36.38 | cybes | :( |
| 10:36.50 | mschr | iptables may have corrupt rules by now.. |
| 10:36.55 | mschr | then |
| 10:37.07 | mschr | run iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp -m multiport --dports 5901:5903,6001:6003 -j ACCEPT |
| 10:37.22 | mschr | and run /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 10:37.45 | cybes | -bash: etc/init.d/iptables: No such file or directory |
| 10:38.18 | osfd | Hi there. Can you please indicate me a tutorial to cleanly remove a kde desktop without beaking the system. I run xfce on a debian stable... |
| 10:38.23 | osfd | please (of course) |
| 10:38.56 | stew | osfd: try /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 10:39.11 | stew | cybes: yes, there is no iptables init script in debian |
| 10:39.28 | cybes | stew: its in centos |
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| 10:39.33 | stew | uh |
| 10:39.36 | stew | cybes: wrong channel then |
| 10:39.56 | cybes | sorry i told earlier..but my local system is debian |
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| 10:40.49 | cybes | and i tried centos channel but i think everyone there is idle |
| 10:41.12 | cybes | mschr: any idea? |
| 10:41.34 | mschr | not really |
| 10:41.40 | osfd | stew: and I guess the suggested solution is safe... |
| 10:41.41 | stew | cybes: try ##linux |
| 10:42.04 | cybes | ok stew |
| 10:42.06 | mschr | however, see if any REJECT is listed under 'iptables -L' |
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| 10:42.35 | stew | osfd: sure, it should be. |
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| 10:43.34 | osfd | stew: funny is that it removes some stuff like texlive... |
| 10:43.40 | osfd | i'll check taht later |
| 10:43.52 | cybes | mschr: http://pastebin.com/0VSVG8Z7 |
| 10:43.59 | cybes | my iptables -L |
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| 10:46.42 | mschr | mhh, and 'pgrep -f vnc' shows any pid-numbers? |
| 10:47.13 | cybes | nothing returned blank |
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| 10:47.58 | mschr | cybes, 1) vnc service must be running 2) network must flow between client and server on designated ports 3) user must exist on server running vnc |
| 10:48.57 | cybes | i think 1 and 3 is working |
| 10:49.06 | cybes | but no idea about #2 |
| 10:49.29 | mschr | 1 aint, if no pid's are listed with 'pgrep -f vnc'.. |
| 10:50.02 | cybes | oh ok |
| 10:50.05 | mschr | ps aux | grep -i vnc |
| 10:50.37 | cybes | nothing but i think earlier i killed that process |
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| 10:50.44 | cybes | and now i can't restart it |
| 10:51.25 | cybes | mschr: i tried vncserver command |
| 10:51.54 | mschr | hehe.. figures :) can you find something'vnc' under /etc/init.d? if so, call that script /etc/init.d/vncserver start |
| 10:52.14 | mschr | vncserver being the correct name used with that particular package on centos |
| 10:52.18 | cybes | mschr: New 'bessen.securelinuxservers.com:1 (root)' desktop is bessen.securelinuxservers.com:1 |
| 10:52.29 | cybes | result of vncserver command |
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| 10:53.06 | cybes | and there is vncconfig and Xvnc running when used ps aux |
| 10:53.39 | mschr | it needs a config.. youre showing us, that root has a remote desktop running on bessen domain in port 5901 - anyone can start bruteforcing youre centos root account now.. |
| 10:53.42 | cybes | mschr:there is vncserver under /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:53.46 | cybes | :) |
| 10:53.47 | mschr | kill it! :) |
| 10:54.38 | mschr | check your /etc/sysconfig/vncservers config - http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/VNC-Server has nice info |
| 10:54.48 | mschr | and then call /etc/init.d/vncserver restart |
| 10:55.38 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.42 | formorer | *disbelieve* |
| 10:55.49 | mschr | agrees |
| 10:56.02 | cybes | mschr:thnx dude..i'll try that |
| 10:56.34 | mschr | formorer only reason i know is the sysadm before me on a network i service has set up a pentium 3, running centos :p |
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| 10:58.14 | svedubois | How can I downgrade from KDE 4.8 to 4.7? |
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| 10:59.21 | cybes | mschr: created iptables using service iptables save |
| 10:59.30 | cybes | and got iptables file :) |
| 10:59.44 | nkuttler | !tell svedubois about downgrade |
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| 11:00.28 | mschr | cybes its not really the issue anyways - but now thats totally in place. you have no firewall / iptables running on the server so it will allow traffic from anywhere on any port |
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| 11:01.47 | osfd | Also, I also need to do a BIG clean up to retrieve a lot of space (say 4 to 6 GB) how can I target packages that take a lot of room ? |
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| 11:03.35 | woshty | osfd: wajig large |
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| 11:05.58 | osfd | woshty: thx |
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| 11:06.52 | zxcvbn | I have 2 pcs connected with serial port - no ethernet port or cable available, data is transferred using uucp. Can I emulate LAN over Serial? |
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| 11:10.36 | nkuttler | zxcvbn: sounds like a question for ##networking |
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| 11:12.00 | mschr | zxcvbn type in 'virtual serial port debian' |
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| 11:13.18 | redax | ppp is sufficient for serial connections |
| 11:13.32 | redax | pppd I mean |
| 11:14.09 | itc | 56k moden? |
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| 11:14.22 | redax | man I had not compiled kernel for the last few years, I almost forgot how long it takes... |
| 11:14.47 | redax | itc: zxcvbn asked "how to emulate lan over serial" |
| 11:14.58 | redax | that's the way |
| 11:15.01 | nkuttler | redax: you're not compiling the gazillion modules debian enables, right? |
| 11:15.07 | itc | oh oh oh, this is crazy |
| 11:15.29 | itc | rs-232 is for peer-to-peer by design |
| 11:15.37 | redax | nkuttler: huh, what is gazillion? |
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| 11:15.53 | itc | it's not a bus |
| 11:16.09 | zxcvbn | "virtual serial port" seems to be related to emulating COM over ethernet, not ethernet over serial. I will keep searching. |
| 11:16.19 | nkuttler | redax: like, many |
| 11:16.21 | bluesm | Hi I have HTTP_PROXY settled, But how to "delete" or "hide" for particular application ? |
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| 11:16.25 | redax | itc: interconnect two machine that was the question, so pppd is sufficient |
| 11:16.42 | bluesm | I mean to start this app without this HTTP_PROXY variable? |
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| 11:17.19 | redax | nkuttler: ah, yes, basicly I backporting a 2.6.38 squeeze-backport kernel to lenny :D yes every modules enabled |
| 11:17.23 | redax | ok so, almost every |
| 11:18.06 | nkuttler | redax: yeah, that will take some time. you probably want to customize your kernel |
| 11:18.07 | bluesm | Maybe HTTP_PROXY="" chromium will works ? |
| 11:18.36 | redax | zxcvbn: just use pppd on both pcs |
| 11:19.07 | redax | nkuttler: I am in a hurry, and yes I am lazy today ;) |
| 11:19.37 | zxcvbn | uhm. i can use pppd through pure serial COM-port? |
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| 11:20.50 | itc | giggles |
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| 11:23.03 | CzV | hello need help convert apache rewrite to nginx http://pastebin.com/4Y3erTiM |
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| 11:28.00 | bluesm | ? |
| 11:29.26 | redax | zxcvbn: that's what pppd for |
| 11:30.13 | redax | nkuttler: ok compile failed at drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd1211rw.o |
| 11:30.27 | redax | nkuttler: so, I have to go back and really customize :) |
| 11:31.11 | redax | that's deserved for the layzness |
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| 11:33.29 | zxcvbn | redax: thanks! |
| 11:33.33 | wm4 | are there debian packages for mesa 9.0/nouveau somewhere yet? |
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| 11:39.28 | FGH` | hi |
| 11:39.36 | FGH` | http://www.hosting.com/support/linux/clear-memory-cache-on-linux-server is this true ? |
| 11:41.41 | jelly-home | FGH`: which part are you asking about? drop_caches does what it says there. It's seldom useful IME. |
| 11:42.05 | wm4 | FGH`: maybe the author doesn't understand http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 11:42.22 | FGH` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.06 | jelly-home | FGH`: "at times" being the keyword |
| 11:43.29 | wm4 | the cache is dropped when an application requests more memory than currently is free |
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| 11:43.49 | jelly-home | FGH`: in general case, if that cron job helps, it means you have other issues |
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| 12:05.35 | bluesm | How to find out if I have hardware acceleration for visualization ? |
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| 12:06.07 | wols | check Xorg.0.log what driver is used |
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| 12:09.14 | bluesm | wols: in /var/log/ ? |
| 12:09.42 | wols | yes |
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| 12:12.26 | bluesm | wols: I have several files ... http://paste.debian.net/211990/ |
| 12:12.47 | wols | Xorg.0.log as I wrote already |
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| 12:15.21 | bluesm | wols: And what I should look for http://paste.debian.net/211991/ ? |
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| 12:19.02 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.45 | wols | bluesm: that an accelerated driver is used, in your case intel. So it uses your intel GPU in your chipset or cpu. |
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| 12:29.38 | bluesm | wols: So what does it http://paste.debian.net/211994/ mean ? |
| 12:29.51 | rgr | morning. My new ssd install of debian wheezy is excellent. The debian installer set it up with en EFI/boot set up. Now I need to install Win 7 for dual boot. Anyone here with experience of this? Will Windows remove the efi boot? auto add it self to it? With the old mbr boot I would just run from a usb stick and update-grub - but any words of wisdom appreciated. |
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| 12:34.02 | homes | might be best to ask windows people |
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| 12:37.32 | rgr | I have. but they never know anything about the grub side which is the important bit. |
| 12:37.35 | wols | bluesm: it will use intel as first choice, vesa as 2nd. but intel works fine as your log file shows |
| 12:37.53 | wols | rgr: windows will overwrite grub and you will have to reenable your efi grub |
| 12:38.19 | wols | and it's never grup-update which can fix this, but grub-install. no clue for the efi part however |
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| 12:39.39 | rgr | yeah. hmm. google isnt helping too much. lots of differening advice. I'll just have to roll up my sleeves and read more I think. |
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| 12:42.15 | bluesm | wols: ok. But what about the visualization acceleration ? |
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| 12:43.21 | wols | glxinfo |grep -i render |
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| 12:48.52 | Morgawr | hey guys :) I'm in need of some help.. running debian wheezy, all up to date and yadda yadda. I need to install libjpeg8-dev:i386 (I'm in an amd64 install) and I have installed i386 compat libraries before.. I need this to get wine compiled with libjpeg support. Anyhow this is my result: http://www.morgawr.eu/p/1353761165.png |
| 12:49.09 | Morgawr | apparently it wants to remove a huge ton of different amd64 libraries and program (also gcc/g++ etc etc) |
| 12:49.27 | Morgawr | why is this? how can I fix this? I just need libjpeg8-dev:i386, I don't understand why it wants to remove all this totally unrelated stuff :( |
| 12:50.49 | bluesm | wols: direct rendering: Yes |
| 12:50.49 | bluesm | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile |
| 12:50.49 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.24 | format_c | the Apache module limitipconn is no more in the Debian repos? |
| 12:54.31 | format_c | Can't find it |
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| 12:59.04 | Morgawr | I guess nobody can help me then? :( |
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| 13:02.44 | Morgawr | nobody has any idea why libjpeg :i386 wants to remove all my normal amd64 libraries and programs like g++ and gcc too? |
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| 13:04.10 | Morgawr | or, actually, it's because libjpeg8-dev:i386 wants to install linux-libc6-dev:i386 whereas I already have libc6-dev-i386 installed (shouldn't it be basically the same???) and it detects a conflict or something |
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| 13:06.13 | jelly-home | Morgawr: many -dev packages are not coinstallable in multiarch yet |
| 13:06.48 | jelly-home | Morgawr: getting rid of old helper packages like libc6-dev-i386 first might or might not help |
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| 13:07.27 | Morgawr | jelly-home: mm.. I will try, I have tried using aptitude and apparently it seems able to ignore the conflicting packages |
| 13:07.31 | Morgawr | so I will see if this works or not :) |
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| 13:19.14 | Morgawr | okay, it seems that installing libjpeg8-dev:i386 through aptitude solved it, now wine recognizes support for jpeg in 32bit.. I hope it works |
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| 13:33.55 | GabrieleV | Hello, I have problems compiling a deb package with pbuilder. Here is the transcript: http://pastebin.com/ChnGmTUw Suggestions ? |
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| 13:55.15 | mirak | hello |
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| 13:55.50 | mirak | I cloned a lvm partition with dd on another lvm partition. however the uuid is the same now. is there a way to fix that ? |
| 13:56.52 | GabrieleV | mirak, which UUID ? |
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| 13:58.06 | mirak | /dev/mapper/hcpc-linux2: UUID="65a51aa5-0c59-4bc2-be9e-ed9f4b336ab8" TYPE="ext4" |
| 13:58.06 | mirak | /dev/mapper/hcpc-linux3: UUID="65a51aa5-0c59-4bc2-be9e-ed9f4b336ab8" TYPE="ext4" |
| 13:58.19 | mirak | GabrieleV, content of sudo blkid |
| 13:58.37 | GabrieleV | mirak, ah, the filesystem ones ... |
| 13:58.44 | mirak | yes |
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| 13:58.50 | mirak | ha ? |
| 13:59.01 | mirak | ok |
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| 13:59.23 | mirak | i think i found on the web |
| 13:59.27 | mirak | sudo tune2fs -U `uuidgen` /dev/sdb2 |
| 13:59.30 | mirak | something like that |
| 13:59.38 | mafiaboy | waiting for wheezy eagerly .......when is it expected? |
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| 13:59.59 | daemonkeeper | 32. January. |
| 14:00.10 | daemonkeeper | Pretending the world is still there as we know it by then. |
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| 14:00.19 | GabrieleV | mirak, yeah, -U does it |
| 14:00.21 | Morgawr | 32nd of January? |
| 14:00.25 | Morgawr | b-b-but.. |
| 14:00.32 | GabrieleV | umount the filesystem before ;) |
| 14:01.04 | GabrieleV | mirak, man tune2fs |
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| 14:07.40 | lakcaj | Hi. I have an IP camera that uses the old rlogin protocol. I can putty in from a windows machine by selecting "Rlogin" as the protocol, but I can't find anything that works under linux. Everything I try seems to use default to ssh instead. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:09.58 | dcherniv_ | lakcaj, hm if you putty from windows you should putty from linux |
| 14:10.06 | dcherniv_ | lakcaj, putty is crossplatform |
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| 14:13.20 | lakcaj | dcherniv_, oh... thanks. |
| 14:13.40 | dokma | when I bought Logitech K750 solar keyboard I had this crazy idea it's going to work via the Logitech unifying receiver I user for my Logitech wireless M505 mouse |
| 14:13.47 | dokma | Was I somehow delusional? |
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| 14:14.11 | dokma | I need to use 2 "unifying" receivers atm |
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| 14:26.05 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, type "/" followed by the text to search followed by ENTER |
| 14:27.11 | rgr | on a new wheezy install my ssh defaults dont seem to being picked up and I cant seem to find the right confi option to corect this. When I ssh -vvv it doesnt seem to be using my ~/.ssh/config : any ideas as to why? |
| 14:27.15 | boudiccas | dcherniv_: ah, right, thanks |
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| 14:30.57 | rgr | (the authorized keys file option in sshd_config is on) |
| 14:31.25 | blackness | if your trying to select a keyfile, use -i |
| 14:32.22 | blackness | example: ssh -i ~/.ssh/mykey user@host.com |
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| 14:37.37 | rgr | hmm. found it and very strange too. I used a back up from rsync but somewhere along the line it seems the .gnupg dir permissins changed. put them all back to 600 and works. Need to figure out how that happened. |
| 14:37.57 | rgr | still, working now. |
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| 14:40.52 | dcherniv_ | boudiccas, hey thanks for claws again, great little program |
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| 14:45.38 | Leoneof | btw, i didn't like KDE in wheezy, slow! |
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| 14:53.06 | rgr | in what way slow? redraw? what? |
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| 14:56.46 | Leoneof | rgr: slow performance, slower than gnome2 |
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| 14:57.59 | rgr | what kind of "performance"? I'm interested. Most of the "power work" is done below the GUI. Do you mean the menus are slow redrawing? (FWIW, I don t like KDE as a rule). Just interested in how this slowness reveals itself compared to gnome. |
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| 14:58.51 | crow_ | is there any option for "apt-cache search" to include information of whether or not the listed packages are installed, and their version numbers? |
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| 15:00.51 | dcherniv_ | crow_, use dpkg -i | grep "package" for that |
| 15:01.07 | dcherniv_ | crow_, err dpkg -l rather |
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| 15:02.15 | enriko | ciao |
| 15:02.58 | enriko | !list |
| 15:03.00 | dpkg | enriko: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:03.34 | Leoneof | rgr: try it :) |
| 15:03.41 | crow_ | dcherniv_, but dpkg -l lists only the installed packages |
| 15:03.49 | rgr | why not just be more specific? |
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| 15:04.08 | crow_ | I need something like "aptitude search"'s output, but with versions included |
| 15:04.17 | dzan_ | hi, my openjdk-7 packages got broken ( they are still in /usr/lib/jvm/... ) but setting java alternatives doesn't show them anymore, trying to install them again I get this: http://pastebin.com/zT3EGp9m I never before got broken packages and really need java quite soon.. and can't seem to fix it myself, please help |
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| 15:04.31 | Leoneof | rgr: you can test it, maybe my computer is slow ;) |
| 15:04.42 | rgr | right. I see. |
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| 15:07.50 | xyproto | Hi, how many official amd64 packages does Debian have? (that aren't -dev or source packages) and how can I find out? I tried visiting http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages but was none the wiser. Thanks. |
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| 15:08.38 | ksk | xyproto: why do you need to ask that question? |
| 15:09.10 | ompaul | xyproto: approx 30k |
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| 15:09.33 | xyproto | ksk: that is a difficult question, with many answers, depending on how deep an answer you want. Are you thinking on an existencial level? |
| 15:09.44 | xyproto | ompaul: thank you |
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| 15:10.15 | xyproto | ksk: and why do you need to ask that question right back at you |
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| 15:11.35 | ompaul | let us not go there, it's a pointless exercise in no I asked you first |
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| 15:12.43 | ksk | nvm, just wanted to know that "amd64 packages" mean - 64bit binaries? |
| 15:12.52 | ksk | s/that/what/ |
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| 15:15.13 | dcherniv_ | ksk, yes |
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| 15:17.13 | dzan_ | hi, my openjdk-7 packages got broken ( they are still in /usr/lib/jvm/... ) but setting java alternatives doesn't show them anymore, trying to install them again I get this: http://pastebin.com/zT3EGp9m I never before got broken packages and really need java quite soon.. and can't seem to fix it myself, please help |
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| 15:18.13 | ksk | did u run aptitute update before? did u mix up releases/backports/etc? |
| 15:18.40 | safridzal | i've been looking for full-featured file compression utility GUI(not ark/file-roller), but I only get peazip so far (and its 32bit apps, so.. no) any suggestion?? something like 7zip GUI on windows, or winzip, anything which offer compress and split feature.. |
| 15:18.40 | ksk | btw, try it with aptitude, maybe its smarter in that case |
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| 15:19.41 | dzan_ | ksk, i think i mixed... |
| 15:19.47 | Leoneof | what's the version of xfce in wheezy? 4.8 or 4.10? |
| 15:19.56 | wols | ,versions xfce4 |
| 15:19.57 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 15:20.15 | Leoneof | wols: thanks |
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| 15:20.33 | ksk | dzan_: your problem then, sorry |
| 15:20.34 | Leoneof | .versions kde4 |
| 15:20.50 | Leoneof | ,versions kde4 |
| 15:20.51 | judd | No package named 'kde4' was found in i386. |
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| 15:21.18 | dcherniv_ | safridzal, apt-get install -f |
| 15:21.31 | wols | Leoneof: /msg judd ,versions <packagename> |
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| 15:21.59 | Leoneof | wols: thanks again! |
| 15:22.47 | safridzal | dcherniv_: what do you mean? |
| 15:23.13 | dzan_ | ksk, I used the crossbuild script and I think that did it |
| 15:23.16 | dcherniv_ | safridzal, run that command it should fix whatever is broken with the packages |
| 15:23.21 | dzan_ | ksk, is there a way to detect if I mixed versions? |
| 15:23.35 | dcherniv_ | safridzal, look at what it will suggest to do though first before proceeding |
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| 15:24.22 | dzan_ | ksk, thing is I'm not sure that I did, there was a missing dependency for a package and a forum said to add a lenny mirror for that, that's all i did, i'm not sure that cause it |
| 15:25.31 | safridzal | dcherniv_: well, i dont think its related to my "file archiver" problem, but thanks :D |
| 15:26.29 | dzan_ | this is a log of me trying to install it http://pastebin.com/Vg2gCkd2 would be really cool if someone could have a look |
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| 15:29.17 | dcherniv_ | safridzal, damn my bad. |
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| 15:32.38 | wols | dzan_: apt-cache policy openjdk-7-jre |
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| 15:34.56 | dzan_ | wols http://paste.debian.net/212021/ |
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| 15:35.39 | dzan_ | please anything to fix this and saving me from having to reinstall my whole system |
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| 15:38.55 | dzan_ | wols http://paste.debian.net/212021/ |
| 15:39.16 | dzan_ | srr didn't mean to say this again ( up arrow to blame :p ) |
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| 15:42.42 | wols | dzan_: install it |
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| 15:43.38 | dzan_ | wols, I tried but it just goes on and on, it's a chain, next one is missing openjdk-7-jre-headless dependency |
| 15:43.58 | dzan_ | is there anyway to track what's going wrong to get some more info on the problem? i don't know whats going on |
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| 15:46.09 | wols | dzan_: you use experimental, so what do you expect? |
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| 15:46.55 | rryoumaa | can x be set to make all fonts be physically twice the size of their normal size? even if you use the largest font? |
| 15:48.04 | dzan_ | wols, I don't need that, so the problem is I pulled in some stuff from experimental? |
| 15:49.32 | dzan_ | wols, I only needed that to upgrade to java 7u9 because eclipse kept crashing but that used to work fine ( that java version ), is there any way to detect whats causing this exactly? |
| 15:49.52 | stockholm | i am using debian wheezy, and i would like to add the gnome weather app to the desktop. how do i do that? |
| 15:49.59 | stockholm | gnome-applets is installed |
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| 15:51.39 | rgr | following an update to wheezy my default apache htaccess is falling over since its not picking up file "genpage" unless I specifically put in "genpage.php". This is strange as I have multiviews enabled : nothing has changed that I can see. Anyone familiar with changes to debians apache config in wheezy from stable? |
| 15:53.10 | ws2k3 | where can i find the config for exim4 |
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| 15:54.15 | buu | ws2k3: The one it installs? |
| 15:54.37 | wols | ws2k3: at the same place you find all config files: /etc/. in this case /etc/exim4 |
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| 15:55.11 | wols | dzan_: yes. you mixed experimental and squeeze. install java completely from experimental and pray it works |
| 15:55.35 | ws2k3 | which one do i need update-exim4.donr.conf? |
| 15:55.43 | ws2k3 | or exim4.conf.template |
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| 15:57.12 | dzan_ | wols, doesn't, removed experimental from sources but problem is I can't remove java because it's not installed but the files are still there |
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| 15:57.17 | dzan_ | in /usr/lib/jvm |
| 15:57.35 | wols | dzan_: the problem is not the sources.list. the problem are most likely the packages you installed from experimental |
| 15:57.40 | dzan_ | oh they are not anymore |
| 15:57.51 | wols | if the file(s) are there, so are the packages. |
| 15:57.59 | dzan_ | wols, but apt-get uninstall should get rid of those? |
| 15:58.07 | dzan_ | files aren't there i was wrong |
| 15:58.08 | wols | yes. |
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| 15:58.36 | dzan_ | so if the experimental entry is gone, I updated, packages & file aren't there anymore what could be the reason a normal clean install doesn't work anymore? |
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| 15:59.52 | ross` | is there a package for flash on debian |
| 16:00.08 | ross` | 6.0.6 |
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| 16:00.19 | mtn | ross`: of course, go to synaptic |
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| 16:00.27 | ross` | mtn: ? |
| 16:00.39 | mtn | ross`: what? |
| 16:00.50 | ross` | i need flash |
| 16:00.54 | ross` | for chromium |
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| 16:01.03 | ross` | do i need to install a package for that |
| 16:01.08 | rgr | you mean the chrome browser? |
| 16:01.10 | ross` | yes |
| 16:01.11 | mtn | ross`: you can install flash with synaptic, works for all browserr |
| 16:01.12 | eni23 | ross`: then use google chrome its included n there |
| 16:01.20 | ross` | what is the package name |
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| 16:01.24 | ross` | for flash |
| 16:01.29 | rgr | use synaptic and search |
| 16:01.33 | mtn | ross`: search and find out :P |
| 16:01.34 | ross` | i did |
| 16:01.40 | ross` | i did aptitude search flash |
| 16:01.48 | mtn | thinks we are pulling teeth |
| 16:01.51 | ross` | it didn't provide me with relevant results |
| 16:01.53 | eni23 | ross`: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:01.58 | ross` | eni23: thanks |
| 16:01.59 | rgr | you might need to enable non-free |
| 16:02.05 | zykotick9 | ross`: flashplugin-nonfree is in the contrib repo, be sure it's enabled |
| 16:02.18 | ross` | no version found |
| 16:02.19 | zykotick9 | rgr: see above as well. |
| 16:02.20 | ross` | oh thanks |
| 16:02.25 | rgr | or contrib ;) |
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| 16:02.57 | zophy | oh.... gnome 3 rocks |
| 16:03.05 | rgr | lol |
| 16:03.17 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.18 | mtn | zophy: now everyone is going to hate you |
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| 16:03.27 | ross` | cool i got contrib thanks |
| 16:03.32 | mtn | agrees that it is good, though |
| 16:03.57 | eni23 | likes xtce |
| 16:04.01 | eni23 | *xfce |
| 16:04.24 | zophy | i really like the way gnome 3 looks, i like the nifty window selector screen |
| 16:04.58 | eni23 | yeah il LOOKS nice but work with it is pain |
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| 16:05.30 | zophy | i myself don't need to use menus like a speed demon |
| 16:05.43 | eni23 | windows 8 look nice too ;) |
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| 16:06.29 | eni23 | but who is designing those new use interfaces? kids? aliens? animals? |
| 16:06.36 | rgr | gnome 3 on wheezy is simply gross. luckily xmonad takes the pain out ofit. |
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| 16:07.21 | rgr | the win 8 ui is to provide cross platform "look and feel" with their tablet and phone. horrible I agree. but you can turn it off. |
| 16:07.23 | mtn | told you there would be hate :P |
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| 16:09.01 | ducblangis | Any suggestions on tools to use for Process Accounting besides pacct? |
| 16:09.05 | eni23 | yup :) imho the main problem is that its not possiple to customize gnome 3 (yet) |
| 16:09.16 | zophy | windows 8 on that microsoft circus... i menar surface, haven't seen one yet |
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| 16:10.38 | eni23 | zophy: not worth it first i saw it i thought it was a joke but they are serious |
| 16:11.21 | mtn | eni23: odd, I customize mine. what are you trying to do? |
| 16:12.01 | eni23 | mtn: i like something as awn and structured menus. |
| 16:12.48 | eni23 | mtn: switched from gnome2 to xfce and really happy :) |
| 16:12.51 | mtn | eni23: with every desktop there are some things that can't be done. you get to choose what you like. doesn't make others bad. |
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| 16:14.42 | eni23 | mtn: i allways have a feeling that the designers of gnome3/new kde/windows 8 think users are really stupid and i dont like this |
| 16:14.44 | safridzal | need help to add a script to kickoff menu, it runs just fine with double click on dolphin, but i cant make it works on menu, i put /home/aragorn/Linux/J7Z/Bin/J7Z.sh on the command box but it wont run from kickoff.. any suggestion? |
| 16:14.55 | mtn | shrugs |
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| 16:15.16 | rryoumaa | i'll change my question. can x be set to effectively run your monitor at half (or 1/4) the resolution? |
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| 16:15.43 | eni23 | rryoumaa: what grapic card? |
| 16:15.59 | safridzal | mtn: hey, you here too, im aragorn from #-help |
| 16:16.22 | mtn | waves |
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| 16:18.35 | rryoumaa | eni23: i haven't bought it yet |
| 16:19.04 | eni23 | rryoumaa: ah ok. but which? |
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| 16:19.47 | rryoumaa | eni23: i will take your advice :). i am very far away from my monitor, and some programs (e.g. azureus) do not let you increase fonts beyond a certain point. |
| 16:20.13 | ducblangis | Damn I didn;t see if anyone answered me and stupid weechat seems to erase anything above what I can see on my screen when scrolling up |
| 16:20.15 | ducblangis | so |
| 16:20.17 | ducblangis | Any suggestions on tools to use for Process Accounting besides pacct? |
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| 16:20.47 | eni23 | rryoumaa: sould be possible with nearly every gpu that has drivers for linux |
| 16:20.47 | rryoumaa | eni23: i am told that some monitors are bad at lower resolutions than the native resolution, hence my question |
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| 16:21.29 | rryoumaa | and this is different from telling the monitor to run at non-native? |
| 16:21.45 | eni23 | rryoumaa: not really |
| 16:22.16 | rryoumaa | hmm. so maybe i should get a monitor with huge dot pitch. but that won't be enough. |
| 16:22.43 | eni23 | rryoumaa: flatscreens works fine for that |
| 16:23.00 | rryoumaa | i keep hearing that non-native resolutions make text look worse |
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| 16:23.16 | eni23 | rryoumaa: yes thats allways a problem |
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| 16:23.40 | eni23 | rryoumaa: but there are alot of themes for different window managers with big fonts/icons |
| 16:23.41 | rryoumaa | i'm happy to go with exactly half h and half w if that helps, but even there there might be problems, so i was hoping x could fake it |
| 16:24.21 | rryoumaa | well, it's more programs azureus, firefox, etc. the fonts thin out at the top end. |
| 16:24.46 | eni23 | rryoumaa: they are both customizable |
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| 16:25.40 | rryoumaa | wait, so the answer is yes? i can tell x to make 10 point font be physically as large as 20 point font? |
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| 16:27.16 | eni23 | basically yes but imho its better to run full res and configure your gui for bigger fonts and stuff |
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| 16:29.47 | rryoumaa | eni23: thanks. then there is a fallback so maybe i should not worry about high res. i know on a mac i absolutely have to change the monitor's resolution. |
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| 16:39.19 | nano100 | Hi @all |
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| 16:57.42 | jaylkay | Hello, how will I be able to know if this network adapter will be compatible with Linux? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001OQSZQ0/ref=gno_cart_title_1 |
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| 16:59.20 | un214 | by plugging it in and running hardware detect |
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| 17:00.13 | jaylkay | un214: I want to know if it will work first before I buy it |
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| 17:00.23 | nano100 | jaylkay: quick google search gave that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434757 |
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| 17:02.12 | shadow_fox | iceweasel failed to start after xulrunner update... |
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| 17:03.56 | jelly-home | jaylkay: google for the exact model name and perhaps revision, together with the word lspci and linux |
| 17:04.41 | jelly-home | jaylkay: on other words, find someone else who's tried it on linux |
| 17:04.49 | jelly-home | s,on,in, |
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| 17:08.25 | shadow_fox | looks like i have to upgrade the iceweasel from backports and also a xulrunner17. |
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| 17:08.41 | jelly-home | jaylkay: or even read the reviews on amazon |
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| 17:09.35 | j4jackj | Hello. Can anyone help me with an installation of debian w/ debootstrap on SD card Nanaimo initiated on my laptop Noona and finished on my Mum's laptop Avon. |
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| 17:10.55 | jelly-home | j4jackj: weird brands, dude |
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| 17:11.13 | j4jackj | They aren't brands, they're nicknames |
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| 17:11.51 | jelly-home | j4jackj: weird choice of relevant technical information, dude |
| 17:12.36 | j4jackj | OK. So as of yet I'm installing the entire base graphical system. |
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| 17:14.09 | j4jackj | From downloaded packages. I downloaded them in a chroot on Noona and am now installing them on Nanaimo using Avon. Make sense? |
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| 17:14.39 | j4jackj | Avon is running synaptic, and as suck dpkg. |
| 17:14.45 | j4jackj | Avon is running synaptic, and as such*** dpkg. |
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| 17:15.31 | j4jackj | *** after a word means it was corrected |
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| 17:21.43 | j4jackj | I like how you can configure using text files |
| 17:21.53 | j4jackj | alone |
| 17:22.16 | j4jackj | on Debian - and I've been using it or a derivative for at least since 2008 |
| 17:22.19 | eni23 | foreveralone.jpg |
| 17:22.32 | j4jackj | alone |
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| 17:23.34 | technologov | hi ! CD-auto-mount is part of which package ? |
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| 17:23.49 | aef | hi, can anyone please try to help me with the following problem: http://serverfault.com/q/451787/50950 |
| 17:23.55 | technologov | Debian lacks one super-fundamental feature; Lack of Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) auto-mount |
| 17:23.56 | j4jackj | hi i think it's part of gnome overall,, dunno what? |
| 17:24.19 | j4jackj | It isn't super fundamental - why do you need it? |
| 17:24.22 | technologov | This feature is essential, because Android 4.x devices dropped support for USB mass storage, but connect via MTP instead. |
| 17:24.24 | un214 | technologov: lazy bones |
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| 17:24.47 | rryoumaa | eni23: do you know what's the setting to make x do that? is it the dpi setting? will that work for all fonts? |
| 17:24.54 | j4jackj | un214: careful what you say, but technologov you are being a little lazy. |
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| 17:25.31 | technologov | I would like to open a bug report (Wish) to add MTP feature to Debian |
| 17:25.32 | j4jackj | Use Ubuntu or Fedora if you are not happy |
| 17:26.40 | j4jackj | technologov - is it possible to semi-manually mount MTPs? |
| 17:27.00 | j4jackj | Anyhow, Google are using Linux against Linux. |
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| 17:30.02 | j4jackj | technologov, if you want it, you may want to try doing it yourself somehow. |
| 17:30.38 | phogg | technologov: mtp exists for debian, but auto-mount is a bug not a feature |
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| 17:32.44 | abrotman | technologov: so use reportbug |
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| 17:34.19 | cra1g321 | anyone here using/used gkt-recordmydesktop on wheezy ? i've got an issue where the sound it has recorded is slow and more deep, wanting to know if anyone had similar issue |
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| 17:38.47 | j4jackj | now we're cookin wi gas! i know what I'm doing with this and will keep you posted. |
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| 17:39.44 | Snafu777 | Question, if I own a repo, and I want the user to install something via apt-get upgrade, without already first having had the prog installed, what do i need to do to make this happen? |
| 17:39.57 | Snafu777 | As well, is there a command I can issue to see all the progs available for a repo? |
| 17:40.38 | wols | apt-get upgrade never installs anything. it can only upgrade a version of a package that is already installed |
| 17:40.40 | eni23 | rryoumaa: depends on the windowmanager you wanna use |
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| 17:41.27 | Snafu777 | Yeah, but somehow this is done on certain repos |
| 17:41.37 | nvz | Snafu777: apt-cache dump will show all in your cache |
| 17:41.47 | Snafu777 | Im running my own repo now, and want to figure out how to inform the user of a new file |
| 17:41.56 | Snafu777 | Back|Track does it.... It's possible somehow |
| 17:42.07 | nvz | Snafu777: if you configure only one repo in sources and update then dump you'll see all packages on tht repo |
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| 17:42.11 | Snafu777 | I figured maybe somehting in the priority |
| 17:42.15 | wols | Snafu777: you can't. repositories are only pull. never push |
| 17:42.18 | nvz | no clue how to do it otherwise |
| 17:42.20 | f8l | Snafu777: Did you ever heard about dummy or transitional packages? |
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| 17:42.34 | Snafu777 | dummy or transistional, nope. |
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| 17:43.10 | un214 | Oh yes you can |
| 17:43.13 | nvz | Snafu777: to replace one package with another you make an empty transitional package that depends on the new one.. how gqview in stable depends on geeqie which replaced it |
| 17:43.17 | johnfg | Well, I'm in lenny now for what I needed from here. |
| 17:43.39 | Snafu777 | Ah |
| 17:43.40 | f8l | Snafu777: These are packages with no (or almost no) contents, but that depend on another packages that supersedes it. |
| 17:43.46 | Snafu777 | That makes sense bro. |
| 17:43.58 | rryoumaa | eni23: i don't understand. i will use whatever window manager helps with this, but the text size of programs like azureus (not the decorations) are what i am trying to improve. |
| 17:44.09 | johnfg | Question: is there an equivalent of grub-mkconfig for legacy grub? Or does menu.lst have to be edited by hand? |
| 17:44.27 | Snafu777 | Thank you for all yer help peoples =) |
| 17:44.30 | Snafu777 | Much appreciated |
| 17:44.40 | Snafu777 | I think dummy packaging will be the solution |
| 17:44.43 | un214 | this is obviously a bad idea, but what do you suppose would happen if a package postinst operation unlocked the dpkg and apt locks, then ran apt-get install on a whole bunch of packages? |
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| 17:44.48 | wols | johnfg: update-grub ? |
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| 17:45.27 | f8l | hasdf: Hello. |
| 17:45.33 | eni23 | rryoumaa: then best use gnome2 and appereance-settings |
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| 17:46.55 | johnfg | wols, no, not on lenny, and that's just a front for grub-mkconfig, i.e. update-grub anyway. |
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| 17:54.45 | rryoumaa | eni23: that affects normal program's text? |
| 17:54.53 | rryoumaa | programs'* |
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| 17:55.39 | eni23 | rryoumaa: yes normal programs. dont know about vuze |
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| 17:58.24 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: looks like vuze is a java based app. that's probably why "normal" font changes aren't applying (i'd guess). |
| 17:58.50 | rryoumaa | zykotick9: right, which is why i want to do something at a more fundamental level (like x) |
| 17:59.11 | rryoumaa | i want it to work for all programs including bad ones |
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| 17:59.30 | rryoumaa | and i'm willing to increase non-text also if necessary |
| 17:59.31 | dcherniv | is there any way to find out which options debian kernel was compiled with or get .config file? |
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| 17:59.47 | helena_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.20 | zykotick9 | dcherniv: check /boot/config-* |
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| 18:01.12 | dcherniv | zykotick9, ah yea much appreciated |
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| 18:05.58 | kruug | good afternoon #debian. I have a fresh install of Squeeze with a nVidia video card, but the monitor currently looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/o42GN.jpg |
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| 18:06.34 | kruug | I have tried 3 installs to get this to work, including using the noveau drivers and the nv drivers, but none seem to have fixed it |
| 18:06.53 | dcherniv | kruug, oh my... yes add nomodeset to grub2 options |
| 18:07.18 | eni23 | is there a way to get rid off all packages came from an specific repo? |
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| 18:08.10 | abrotman | eni23: such as? |
| 18:08.28 | kruug | dcherniv: do I replace the "quiet" or add to it? |
| 18:08.33 | dcherniv | kruug, when you see grub menu on startup hit 'e' on the entry your booting. find a line that goes like this linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.6.6 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet |
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| 18:08.44 | dcherniv | kruug, and just add nomodeset to the end |
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| 18:09.01 | dcherniv | kruug, just add |
| 18:09.22 | eni23 | abrotman: added deb-multimedia to an raspberry pi, was a bad idea the packages from there just give me segfaults |
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| 18:11.16 | zykotick9 | !tell eni23 about dmm remove |
| 18:12.10 | abrotman | why? because it's not Debian? |
| 18:13.11 | eni23 | abrotman: nah think because its compiled for armv7 and i only got an armv6 cpu |
| 18:13.51 | abrotman | but still not Debian |
| 18:14.05 | lusers | eni23: I don't have RPi. You know about Raspbian? Just wanted to throw that one out. |
| 18:14.26 | kruug | dcherniv: no change |
| 18:14.28 | eni23 | lusers: shure im running raspian on one :) |
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| 18:14.38 | abrotman | eni23: so why are you asking #debian? |
| 18:14.42 | dcherniv | kruug, can you boot into recovery mode? |
| 18:14.48 | kruug | yes |
| 18:15.06 | eni23 | abrotman: because im running debian |
| 18:15.14 | abrotman | Raspian is not Debian |
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| 18:16.04 | eni23 | abrotman: sigh.. i have multiple ones and on this one im running pure debian. and Raspian IS debian |
| 18:16.16 | dcherniv | kruug, whats the video card name? |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | no, it's not, they'll tell you that |
| 18:16.22 | dcherniv | kruug, model |
| 18:16.43 | eni23 | abrotman: messed around a little with it and seems quite the same |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | eni23: that's good you think so, but you're still wrong |
| 18:17.59 | eni23 | abrotman: then whats different from debian except its not "official" |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | eni23: they make changes to it to run on the Pi .. |
| 18:18.31 | abrotman | and it's not official .. |
| 18:18.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:19.06 | lusers | I still want to help. |
| 18:19.10 | lusers | eni23: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Multimedia))' -F '%100p' |
| 18:19.27 | kruug | dcherniv: [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2) |
| 18:19.33 | kruug | and I guess I lied |
| 18:19.46 | eni23 | abrotman: i think they make more changes to the kernel, and if im running my self-patched kernel on debian its still debian, or not? |
| 18:20.00 | kruug | adding nomodeset worked, but I couldn't get it to stick when I edited grub |
| 18:20.10 | abrotman | eni23: your custom kernel wouldn't be supported here |
| 18:20.14 | eni23 | lusers: sorry forgot to thank you, that does the trick :) |
| 18:20.31 | abrotman | eni23: so if someting isn't working that may be kernel related, we'll ask you to reproduce it on a debian packaged kernel |
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| 18:21.05 | eni23 | abrotman: that are details. still its debian-related |
| 18:21.07 | lusers | eni23: abrotman is correct though. No worries. Lesson well learned. :) |
| 18:21.31 | abrotman | eni23: right, those are your changes, your details .. not our problem .. good luck! |
| 18:22.02 | eni23 | abrotman: lusers: i was thinking that debian is not the kernel. |
| 18:22.11 | kruug | so, now the question becomes how do I get nomodeset to stick between reboots? |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | they distribute a kernel |
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| 18:22.33 | abrotman | eni23: i'm not sure why you're arguing .. you're obviously not the first person to act this way |
| 18:22.41 | lusers | eni23: We could have this same argument with LinuxMint, Ubuntu, Etc. :o |
| 18:23.41 | dcherniv | kruug, /etc/default/grub |
| 18:23.48 | dcherniv | kruug, edit this and run update-grub2 |
| 18:24.09 | dcherniv | kruug, this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" |
| 18:24.20 | kruug | dcherniv: thank you, I was trying grub2-mkconfig |
| 18:24.20 | eni23 | abrotman: its just... ah forget it.. users still helped me here and i have an custom kernel :) and could help some to .. |
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| 18:24.57 | abrotman | sure ... |
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| 18:25.30 | eni23 | abrotman: and even debian wiki has an howto to setup an custom kernel :) |
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| 18:26.12 | eni23 | but nevermind thanks lusers |
| 18:26.41 | lusers | eni23: yw. |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | it doesn't mean it's supported here ... |
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| 18:27.23 | eni23 | i think the users decide on theyr own what they wanna support? |
| 18:27.34 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:27.37 | kruug | eni23: I had the same thought |
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| 18:28.16 | kruug | while the channel as a whole shouldn't be a place for non-Debian support, why can't someone here assist with Debian-based support? |
| 18:28.39 | abrotman | because, if that started, the channel would be chaos |
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| 18:28.56 | abrotman | if we supported everything based on Debian, who knows what support questions would get answered correctly |
| 18:29.02 | lusers | Not when you broke your Hummer and ask Honda community to help you troubleshooting. You might want ##linux next time. |
| 18:29.03 | abrotman | and, those distros have their own support channels |
| 18:29.30 | eni23 | afterall im not asked about ubuntu or raspian or something :) |
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| 18:29.50 | nkuttler | still? |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | This has gone on long enough .. Debian is the only OS supported here. End of discussion |
| 18:29.51 | kruug | lusers: that example doesn't really fit here |
| 18:30.09 | kruug | it's more like asking why your Hummer H2 isn't working in a Hummer channel |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | if you don't like it, please /part |
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| 18:30.29 | kruug | sure, you could say they should go to the H2 channel, but enough may still be the same |
| 18:30.37 | abrotman | kruug: drop it |
| 18:30.37 | metasansana | Debian FTW!!! |
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| 18:30.51 | metasansana | sorry, I just did an install |
| 18:31.10 | kruug | drops it |
| 18:31.15 | kruug | ouch...my foot |
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| 18:36.12 | helena_ | I'm getting this error. How do I fix it? :o |
| 18:36.15 | helena_ | Unable to open /dev/vzctl: No such file or directory |
| 18:36.41 | abrotman | helena_: what is giving that error? |
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| 18:37.00 | helena_ | abrotman: vzctl |
| 18:37.22 | helena_ | It's so I can add more swap |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | helena_: usually, those are created by loading a module, right? |
| 18:37.51 | helena_ | er.... |
| 18:38.00 | helena_ | abrotman: What is? |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | did you read the docs for vzctl |
| 18:38.05 | eni23 | helena_: think you need to run the promox ve kernel for that or not? |
| 18:38.21 | helena_ | It does have a VZ kernel. |
| 18:38.43 | eni23 | then abrotman is not gonna help you ;) |
| 18:38.51 | helena_ | .... |
| 18:38.51 | abrotman | eni23: Enough |
| 18:39.04 | abrotman | helena_: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/vzctl/ ? |
| 18:39.10 | helena_ | oh |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | eni23: as i said, if you don't like th channel policy, please /part |
| 18:39.41 | eni23 | abrotman: sorry im stopping now but couldnt resist |
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| 18:39.55 | helena_ | eni23: Not funny :/ |
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| 18:40.51 | helena_ | abrotman: I only have the manual page which I'm looking at now. |
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| 18:41.09 | abrotman | there are other docs in /usr/share/doc/vzctl/ |
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| 18:41.27 | helena_ | abrotman: nope |
| 18:41.29 | helena_ | there isn't |
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| 18:42.06 | abrotman | vzctl: /usr/share/doc/vzctl/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:42.12 | abrotman | sure about that? |
| 18:42.14 | helena_ | oh |
| 18:42.18 | helena_ | Saw that |
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| 18:42.21 | helena_ | but how do I open it? |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | empty? |
| 18:42.26 | abrotman | zless |
| 18:42.32 | helena_ | okies :3 |
| 18:43.03 | helena_ | oooooooh :3 |
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| 18:43.13 | abrotman | does that help? |
| 18:43.19 | helena_ | idk |
| 18:43.30 | helena_ | I haven't read it yet |
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| 18:47.05 | helena_ | abrotman: Didn't help. :( |
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| 18:47.34 | abrotman | helena_: and you've applied the openvz patch to the debian kernel source using the patch package? |
| 18:47.47 | helena_ | yes |
| 18:47.58 | helena_ | it should be a VZ kernel. O.o |
| 18:48.26 | helena_ | wel... |
| 18:48.36 | helena_ | I didn't apply but shouldn't it already be there? |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman | have you read any documentation on making this work ? |
| 18:49.05 | abrotman | !tell helena_ about openvz |
| 18:49.05 | helena_ | I googled the error and found nothing. |
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| 18:49.22 | MrBar | how to install debian from usb flash drive? |
| 18:49.29 | eni23 | helena_: dumb question: what is the output of uname -r |
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| 18:49.41 | abrotman | !tell MrBar about usb install |
| 18:49.49 | helena_ | eni23: 2.6.32-042stab059.7 |
| 18:49.56 | helena_ | That's a compatible kernel lol |
| 18:49.58 | texta | Hey guys, is there any reason to use ZFS over XFS for a non-RAID setup? |
| 18:50.05 | abrotman | plenty |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | they're not really the same at all |
| 18:51.18 | eni23 | helena_: yup it is |
| 18:51.30 | MrBar | i use `the flexible way` and it not work |
| 18:51.46 | helena_ | eni23: So? |
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| 18:51.54 | abrotman | MrBar: use the non-flexible way .. it's the simplest and least error prone |
| 18:52.00 | eni23 | helena_: thinking ... |
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| 18:52.29 | abrotman | MrBar: also, which ISO are you using? |
| 18:52.38 | MrBar | netinstal |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | which one .. |
| 18:53.08 | MrBar | what? |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | what is the actual filename? |
| 18:53.21 | helena_ | abrotman: .... |
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| 18:53.29 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:53.37 | MrBar | debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:53.47 | helena_ | That article didn't help abrotman |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | okay, just wanted to make sure you're using something sane |
| 18:54.06 | abrotman | helena_: you read and implemented the whole thing? |
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| 18:54.27 | abrotman | helena_: also, you may want to look at using LXC instead of openvz |
| 18:55.05 | MrBar | or even virtualbox |
| 18:55.15 | helena_ | abrotman: I am forced to use OpenVZ |
| 18:55.24 | helena_ | and I need more swap urgently. |
| 18:55.25 | helena_ | :/ |
| 18:55.35 | abrotman | forced? |
| 18:55.45 | helena_ | I <3 Xen with all my heard. |
| 18:55.47 | helena_ | heart |
| 18:55.51 | helena_ | abrotman: This is a VPS |
| 18:55.56 | abrotman | helena_: there is #openvz on freenode |
| 18:56.03 | helena_ | oh |
| 18:56.10 | helena_ | joins happily |
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| 18:57.53 | MrBar | so |
| 18:58.32 | MrBar | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 uncomplete |
| 18:58.53 | nkuttler | MrBar: so submit a patch |
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| 18:59.16 | MrBar | patch to wiki? |
| 18:59.35 | nkuttler | wiki? |
| 18:59.37 | MrBar | oh its not wiki :( |
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| 18:59.51 | MrBar | just outdated docs :) |
| 19:00.08 | MrBar | what is hd-media? |
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| 19:01.05 | nkuttler | MrBar: it's obviously a directory |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | MrBar: i thought you were using the netinst iso? |
| 19:01.21 | MrBar | where to find that directory? |
| 19:01.52 | abrotman | MrBar: the netinst is the easiest way |
| 19:01.54 | nkuttler | MrBar: there's some download files section or something in the install guide |
| 19:02.06 | nkuttler | MrBar: and yes, netinst++ |
| 19:02.23 | abrotman | MrBar: you just zcat the ISO and `sync` .. that's it |
| 19:02.30 | else- | anyone knows how to update the file list for a package created with dh-make-perl? |
| 19:02.32 | MrBar | ok |
| 19:02.56 | helena_ | How annoying :/ |
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| 19:05.19 | somiaj | else-: what do you mean update the file list? You want the files in that package to be searchable via apt-file? |
| 19:05.44 | else- | somiaj: i already found it; all i needed to do is to add it to my Makefile.PL |
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| 19:06.14 | somiaj | ahh ok |
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| 19:09.37 | khaleel5000 | hi on wheezy, how do I make grub boot a bootable iso? |
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| 19:11.44 | somiaj | khaleel5000: what is the bootable iso? Problem is some bootable iso's won't be able to find the cdrom drive when they look for it after grub boots from it |
| 19:12.47 | somiaj | khaleel5000: http://superuser.com/questions/154133/grub-boot-from-iso -- that should give you some advice on how to configure grub, but it might depend on the iso you want to boot from. |
| 19:13.12 | khaleel5000 | it has another flavor of linux my cdrom drive is not working so cant burn and boot (want to try before i isntall on mom's pc |
| 19:13.27 | somiaj | the best suggestion is do it in a VM |
| 19:13.50 | somiaj | the second best would be is it an iso you can copy to a flash drive and boot from usb (many modern distro's allow this) |
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| 19:15.02 | somiaj | but the major issue isn't going to be grub, is that when you boot from the iso if it can find the files on it (as opposed for looking for a phisical cdrom device to read them from) |
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| 19:16.55 | khaleel5000 | somiaj: any program which can help write the files in the usb? |
| 19:17.28 | lusers | khaleel5000: dd |
| 19:17.31 | somiaj | khaleel5000: it really depends on the .iso image, and you may get better advise from the distro that made it. debian .iso images can be put directly on a usb thumb drive with cat or dd |
| 19:17.49 | khaleel5000 | ok , thanks somiaj lusers |
| 19:18.19 | somiaj | so yea I would go get support from the distro that made the iso and ask what kinda of booting options it supports. |
| 19:19.20 | khaleel5000 | ok |
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| 19:22.28 | gregor3005 | hi, is anybody familiar with diskless pxe boot? is it possible to copy on every boot up the system from pxe to local disk to speed up the performance |
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| 19:28.45 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 19:29.02 | nvz | not yet, but we're working on it |
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| 19:31.33 | leon_ | Do debian removed compiz from testing? |
| 19:31.54 | zykotick9 | leon_: yes. i don't know why. |
| 19:32.03 | leon_ | Any trick to install it? |
| 19:32.12 | leon_ | Or I need to compile, etc... ? |
| 19:33.40 | dondelelcaro | zykotick9: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864#20 |
| 19:34.08 | leon_ | dondelelcaro: Ouch... |
| 19:34.27 | zykotick9 | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 19:34.39 | leon_ | Well... will try to hand install it using the old .debs |
| 19:34.40 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 19:34.45 | leon_ | thanks :) |
| 19:35.43 | loko | How do I mount a partition in Initramfs? I see the drive in dmesg as hda, I run fstype /dev/hda1 and it comes back ext3, but mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/olddrive (which exists) does not work - returns "no such file or directory" |
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| 19:39.19 | encrypt | could anyone guide me on how to fix this R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router when trying to pipe a mail |
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| 19:39.42 | kieran_ | hello |
| 19:39.57 | kieran_ | hello anybody |
| 19:40.34 | zykotick9 | kieran_: hi. do you have a debian support question? if so, ask away. |
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| 19:44.08 | leon_ | Only to let you guys know... I just installed Compiz using the unstable package |
| 19:44.19 | leon_ | worked with out any Issue till now |
| 19:44.35 | leon_ | Thanks any way |
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| 19:52.46 | Tekkit | is there any way to speed up my Guadalinex Laptop? |
| 19:55.14 | Tekkit | anyone? |
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| 19:56.20 | Walex2 | Tekkit: please type in the platinum support contract number that entitles you to psychic assistance within two minutes for a distribution that is not Debian |
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| 19:57.26 | aef | hi, can anyone please try to help me with the following problem: http://serverfault.com/q/451787/50950 |
| 19:57.40 | Tekkit | i dont know anything about that :( |
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| 19:59.32 | Walex2 | aef: doctor, if I stab repeatedly my hand with a fork, it hurt. What should I do? |
| 20:01.41 | Walex2 | Tekkit: perhaps you could try to ask clearer questions about Debian issues then... |
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| 20:02.19 | Walex2 | Tekkit: or perhaps ask them in #LinuxHelp or ##Linux if your distribution does not have a dedicated channel |
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| 20:25.12 | P3n|sXpert | Hello everyone |
| 20:25.31 | P3n|sXpert | I need some help. My friend's laptop with debian isn't starting up |
| 20:25.36 | P3n|sXpert | It's giving this error: http://snobwall.com/upload/stored/1353788509528.jpg |
| 20:25.45 | P3n|sXpert | (that's a photo of the screen) |
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| 20:26.56 | nkuttler | P3n|sXpert: it looks like / can't be mounted? use the shell to debug |
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| 20:27.36 | ws | P3n|sXpert: first match from google: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11436 |
| 20:27.36 | nkuttler | P3n|sXpert: and try the suggestions in the error |
| 20:28.01 | P3n|sXpert | Yeah man. I got him to boot a live CD, chroot and run depmod |
| 20:28.06 | P3n|sXpert | It didn't seem to help |
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| 20:30.01 | KsM | grub passing the wrong argument for the rootfs maybe, P3n|sXpert? |
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| 20:31.04 | KsM | On wheezy /run, /run/lock and /run/shm (which is apparently mounted 3 times..?) are all tmpfs, but none of those entries are in /etc/fstab. If I add the entries for them msyself (so I can specify the sizes) will that work? |
| 20:31.14 | KsM | or will it be overridden by something else |
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| 20:33.33 | xingu | KsM: /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 20:34.48 | KsM | Everything in that is commented out |
| 20:34.55 | KsM | wonder why it's apparently still following it |
| 20:34.57 | xingu | KsM: tweak to taste. |
| 20:35.34 | madi | hi All, I have a problem with my debian stable. I can't update/upgrade because i get an error message and the network manager being killed. I figured out that the meta-package exim4-base is somehow broken http://paste.debian.net/212082/ |
| 20:35.36 | xingu | KsM: note "defaults to xxx" comments... |
| 20:35.40 | Trewas | KsM: why do you need to change the size? /run is supposed to be tiny and tmpfs does not take any more memory than what is actually there |
| 20:36.04 | xingu | Trewas: you might want to put a hard upper bound on it. |
| 20:36.15 | xingu | Trewas: particularly for guest vm's |
| 20:36.43 | KsM | Trewas: /dev/shm was mounted with 2gb |
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| 20:37.06 | KsM | I just changed it by remounting it though |
| 20:37.10 | xingu | KsM: shmfs only allocates memory that's in-use |
| 20:37.24 | madi | how can i solve this? |
| 20:37.29 | xingu | KsM: df "used" column is the only one which matters in that context. |
| 20:37.32 | KsM | It sometimes ends up making things going into swap, which I'd rather not have |
| 20:37.36 | KsM | xingu: I know |
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| 20:38.05 | mtn | madi: fix your network manager problem? |
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| 20:39.57 | KsM | xingu: I could just use /etc/fstab for this right? |
| 20:40.41 | KsM | I was already using /etc/fstab for a tmpfs /tmp, as I didn't know about /etc/default/tmpfs, so I should be able to do it for the /run stuff, yes? |
| 20:41.11 | KsM | I don't exactly see why there's the separation from /etc/fstab either, I mean they're all files that are deleted on a reboot anyway |
| 20:41.15 | xingu | KsM: possibly, but the defaults files exist for a reason; you may wind up fighting city hall by attempting to set your policy in a place other than where the package maintainer intends you to set it |
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| 20:41.53 | master | this sollution "http://askubuntu.com/questions/74653/how-can-i-remove-the-translation-entries-in-apt" was not working for me on wheezy. What would be the proper way of removing the translation entries in apt from updating. |
| 20:42.06 | xingu | KsM: early boot scripts for instance can parse the defaults file; they probably can't parse fstab (doing so essentially requires reimplementing mount(1)) |
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| 20:45.33 | KsM | master: I did that when I first installed wheezy, but I don't remember if this is the exact solution, but try putting this in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/05languages : http://sprunge.us/BjWD |
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| 20:49.58 | master | KsM: thank you that worked |
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| 20:51.56 | PRabyte | i am failing at creating a package that simply holds a couple dirs. i wish to create a deb package |
| 20:52.18 | ratdeptrai | Hi, based on looking at the archives it seems to me like package 'twinkle' was in squeeze but is not in wheezy. I'm wondering (a) how I can verify that this is true and (b) if so, where might it be documented why? |
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| 20:53.08 | xingu | ratdeptrai: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/twinkle.html |
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| 20:54.48 | ratdeptrai | xingu: thanks, that's what I was looking for! |
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| 21:00.56 | phreaky | any idea where can i get installation of debian with precompiled kernel above 3. lie 3.4 or 3.5 |
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| 21:02.51 | P3n|sXpert | Heh heh. PENIS. |
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| 21:12.33 | alfplayer | zxcvbn: [[ ! -e /dir2 ] && mkdir /dir2 && cp /dir1/file1 /dir2/file2 |
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| 21:13.04 | buu | heh |
| 21:13.07 | alfplayer | fixed, one "[" [ ! -e /dir2 ] && mkdir /dir2 && cp /dir1/file1 /dir2/file2 |
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| 21:14.30 | zxcvbn | 0_o thanks |
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| 21:20.41 | sbrothy | oops.sorry :) |
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| 21:21.02 | buu | . |
| 21:21.03 | buu | .. |
| 21:21.05 | buu | g0ats/ |
| 21:21.21 | buu | Oh wait, long listing, that's way too much effort |
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| 21:25.55 | confusid | Hello, I just bought a dvd and tried to play it in squeeze and it does not play. The files are .vob on the dvd. Do I need to download a codec for it? I have mplayer and vlc installed and both are not able to play the dvd. |
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| 21:27.34 | zykotick9 | confusid: libdvdread4 installed? |
| 21:28.08 | somiaj | confusid: what sort of errors do you get, how have you tried to play the dvd? |
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| 21:29.54 | confusid | zykotick9: yes version 4.1.3-10 |
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| 21:31.22 | ettinger | is it possible to have rsync change bandwidth throttling based on time of day? I have to transfer about .5TB of data and it will take several months |
| 21:31.42 | ettinger | i don't wanto to hog bw during 9am to 10pm |
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| 21:32.58 | confusid | somiaj: I put the dvd in and mplayer comes up and says it says, Could not read from resource. Then VLC when I try to use play DVD optin from Media, DVD "Disck /dev/sr0" it just binks the screen once and nothing else happens |
| 21:33.25 | confusid | Disk* |
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| 21:36.45 | confusid | Is there a program to show what codec a file is formated with? |
| 21:36.46 | zykotick9 | confusid: do you have more then one optical drives in this system? "ls -l /dev/dvd" does it point to the right drive? does "eject" work correctly? what does "mplayer dvd://1" do? |
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| 21:37.38 | confusid | zykotick9: it has one dvd, it is a laptop I show for mount "/dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type udf" |
| 21:37.53 | confusid | and yes ejecting works |
| 21:38.01 | zykotick9 | confusid: you don't really want to mount a dvd, you want to play it... |
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| 21:38.33 | confusid | Thunar auto mounts it when I put the DVD in. |
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| 21:44.50 | confusid | What program will show the details of a media file? |
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| 21:45.30 | zykotick9 | confusid: dvds use mpeg2 as a codec |
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| 21:46.55 | confusid | I have mpeg2dec installed but not mpeg2 |
| 21:47.11 | zykotick9 | confusid: if you use mplayer from terminal, it will show a lot of info near the beginning of the output |
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| 21:47.34 | somiaj | yea paste the output of mplayer dvd://1 |
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| 21:48.10 | zykotick9 | confusid: also, i honestly wouldn't be surprised if you don't require libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia for commercial dvds... |
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| 21:48.59 | confusid | zykotick9: if I downloaded that packaged from debian-multimedia would that break my system? |
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| 21:49.27 | nvz | !info libdvdread4 |
| 21:49.46 | dpkg | libdvdread4: (library for reading DVDs), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.2.0+20120521-3 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 171 kB |
| 21:50.00 | nvz | ,versions libdvdread4 |
| 21:50.02 | judd | Package: libdvdread4 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 4.1.3-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.1.3-10; wheezy: 4.2.0+20120521-2; sid: 4.2.0+20120521-3 |
| 21:50.18 | nvz | this does what libdvdcss2 does |
| 21:50.19 | zykotick9 | nvz: does libdvdread4 play commercial dvds though? i don't see how that could be included in default repo? |
| 21:50.29 | somiaj | I didn't think you needed libdvdcss2 anymore |
| 21:50.48 | Mgeli_ | could anyone share an up to date /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:51.26 | confusid | Will give that a try. |
| 21:51.57 | somiaj | Mgeli_: what version of debian do you run? |
| 21:52.28 | confusid | ty for the help |
| 21:53.10 | Mgeli_ | somiaj, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
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| 21:53.38 | Mgeli_ | somiaj, squeeze |
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| 21:53.45 | somiaj | !tell Mgeli_ about squeeze sources.list |
| 21:56.24 | zykotick9 | Mgeli_: i'd recommend adding backports and if you want new iceweasel versions mozilla.debian.net as well |
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| 21:57.44 | AngelicaRainbow | http://adf.ly/FDTSx everyone please look at my selfy! tell me what its like |
| 21:57.59 | buu | what |
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| 21:58.15 | dvs | smells a spam |
| 21:58.17 | buu | dpkg: ops |
| 21:58.17 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 21:58.22 | AngelicaRainbow | please look at my self at this link: http://adf.ly/FDTSx |
| 21:58.25 | buu | useless robot |
| 21:58.27 | buu | dpkg: ops spammer |
| 21:58.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: buu complains about: spammer |
| 21:58.37 | AngelicaRainbow | I'm not a spammer! |
| 21:58.42 | ettinger | can i use fdisk to change a partition type while the drive is mounted? |
| 21:58.46 | AngelicaRainbow | it's my selfy :D |
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| 21:59.16 | ettinger | specifically what is being advised here: bit.ly/TcKZ8o |
| 21:59.30 | somiaj | ettinger: why do you want to change the partition type? It is the filesystem on the partition that matters |
| 21:59.41 | zykotick9 | ettinger: you should think about updating your partition tool... fdisk is dated |
| 22:00.04 | dvs | ...but still useful |
| 22:00.58 | blink__ | zykotick9:replacement for fdisk? |
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| 22:02.10 | zykotick9 | blink__: parted supports more then just msdos partitions. i've become a fan of gparted over the last little while, and i always used to mock it when i was all about fdisk ;) |
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| 22:03.00 | ettinger | ahh man. i forget how i get into my hd from live cd |
| 22:03.01 | blink__ | zykotick9:which pkg parted? |
| 22:03.03 | somiaj | it really depends on what ie wants to do |
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| 22:03.39 | zykotick9 | gpt also doesn't suffer the silly 4 primary partition limit. nice to have sda1 -> sda6 in order :) without that jump for extended/logical |
| 22:03.44 | ettinger | from livecd, how do i boot into my disk? |
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| 22:03.59 | zykotick9 | blink__: parted |
| 22:04.07 | ettinger | i just had all my data, and i had to reboot after running fdisk to change partition type, and now i get /home/user/ |
| 22:04.22 | buu | Why did you change partition type? |
| 22:04.29 | ettinger | they told me to |
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| 22:04.50 | blink__ | zykotick9:can an lvm partition error be reset? |
| 22:05.07 | zykotick9 | blink__: sorry no idea. i don't use lvm. |
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| 22:06.37 | ettinger | how do i change it back |
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| 22:07.04 | PRabyte | :) |
| 22:07.06 | PRabyte | :| |
| 22:07.28 | PRabyte | lame |
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| 22:07.40 | somiaj | ettinger: the partition type is for the most part a pointless string. What matters is the file system on it |
| 22:07.50 | somiaj | ettinger: mount -t fstype /dev/partition /mount/point |
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| 22:08.09 | somiaj | i.e. you can put a ext3 file system on a msdos partition and it will work just fine |
| 22:08.30 | ettinger | so i have live-cd |
| 22:08.37 | ettinger | how do i boot into my envorinment? |
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| 22:08.43 | ettinger | so i can see my data? |
| 22:08.58 | somiaj | you mount your data just like I told ya and browse though it |
| 22:09.16 | ettinger | somiaj: ok, so i go into resuce mode first, though? |
| 22:09.23 | ettinger | and choose "don't mount" |
| 22:09.30 | somiaj | rescue mode is different than a live-cd |
| 22:09.40 | somiaj | a live cd should boot up with no knowledge of anything on yoru drive |
| 22:09.47 | somiaj | in rescue mode you have to point to a function root partition |
| 22:09.58 | zykotick9 | ettinger: if you are on a livecd use that. much easier then rescue mode. |
| 22:10.20 | somiaj | also much more relaiable you can always chroot into your system once you test everything from the live cd enviroment |
| 22:10.40 | ettinger | what do i put for mount -t fstype? |
| 22:10.56 | zykotick9 | ettinger: try without the -t, it usually works automatically |
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| 22:11.51 | somiaj | yea the -t <fstype> is only needed if your fs is messed up and the headrs can't be read (this shouldn't be effected by the partition type if I recall correctly) |
| 22:12.04 | ettinger | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 -- mount point doesn't exist |
| 22:12.22 | zykotick9 | ettinger: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/" |
| 22:12.22 | somiaj | ettinger: do you have a directory named /mnt/sda1 (my guess is you don't) |
| 22:12.27 | ettinger | no |
| 22:12.30 | somiaj | so you probabaly have to create that direcotyr o just mount it in /mnt |
| 22:13.06 | ettinger | now it says unknown filesystem type 'promise_fasttrack_raid_member' |
| 22:13.10 | nano100 | bye |
| 22:13.33 | zykotick9 | ettinger: raid - sorry ignore anything i've said. i can't help. good luck. |
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| 22:13.57 | ettinger | i think i'm screwed |
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| 22:16.47 | somiaj | oh so you have a raid system (not just a partition on a single drive)...so now you have to have the knowledge to build the raid up. do you know how your raid was created in the first place? |
| 22:18.03 | ettinger | i don't remember. i set this up 5 years ago |
| 22:18.25 | ettinger | somehow i was able to get into my harddrive using live-cd |
| 22:18.34 | ettinger | now i just ran fdisk to change partition type to 83 |
| 22:18.38 | ettinger | as recommended on LQ |
| 22:18.50 | ettinger | but i don't remember how I bootted into my hd. |
| 22:20.17 | ettinger | how do i chroot to my debian partiaion? |
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| 22:20.22 | ettinger | from live-cd |
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| 22:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: What do you want to do when you're there? |
| 22:24.34 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: i want to figure out how to mount my drive again |
| 22:24.46 | ettinger | someone wealked me through it the other day, but ic n't remmber |
| 22:24.57 | ettinger | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt gives me an errr |
| 22:25.21 | jhutchins_wk | take notes next time. |
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| 22:25.32 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry, RAID rescue isn't something I'm familiar with. |
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| 22:26.10 | ettinger | some guy told me to chanrge partition type and like a fool i did it |
| 22:26.25 | ettinger | what about Text Rescue mode from live cd? |
| 22:26.34 | jhutchins_wk | I would imagine that it would involve using something like mdadmin to assemble the drives. |
| 22:26.54 | jhutchins_wk | You still haev to assemble the raid, and until you do that you can't mount or read it. |
| 22:27.08 | ettinger | well it worked fine 5 mins agao |
| 22:27.15 | ettinger | until i rebooted w/ /dev/sda1 as 83 |
| 22:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | Did you change the partition type on the ctual drive? |
| 22:27.25 | ettinger | yes |
| 22:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | Sheesh. Well, put it back! |
| 22:27.36 | ettinger | how do i do that? |
| 22:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | Same way you changed it in the first place, fdisk. |
| 22:27.59 | dvs | ettinger: you dont' need to mount the drive to change the partition type |
| 22:28.14 | ettinger | i don't know what it was before |
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| 22:28.57 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Did you change all of the volumes? |
| 22:29.21 | ettinger | i just did fdisk /dev/sda |
| 22:29.28 | ettinger | and then changed type to 83 |
| 22:29.36 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Well, see what the other volumes are. |
| 22:30.06 | ettinger | how do i do that? |
| 22:30.12 | jhutchins_wk | fdisk -l? |
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| 22:31.37 | ettinger | it is missing /dev/sda2 when i do fdisk -l |
| 22:31.42 | ettinger | that was my swap partition |
| 22:31.52 | ettinger | and it also gives me a warning about GPT |
| 22:33.07 | ettinger | if i type mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 22:33.15 | ettinger | it now says "invalid argument" |
| 22:34.19 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: I'm not sure where you started with this problem, but you may have reached the point where it's easier to rebuild and restore your backup than to try to figure out what's with the system now. |
| 22:34.29 | somiaj | can fdisk to GPT? that could be your issue, I thought you needed a more modern tool to mess with GPT partitions |
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| 22:35.08 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: No, fdisk does not do gpt, but it's not clear that he had an efi/gpt system to begin with. Were you the one who told him to change the partition type? |
| 22:35.35 | ettinger | no, it was someone on linuxquestions.org |
| 22:35.44 | jhutchins_wk | k, that thread you posted. |
| 22:35.57 | ettinger | the problem is the power went out, and when i bootup all i see is GRUB |
| 22:35.58 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: no I never told him to change the parititon type, I mearly said that that for the most part is a pointless string and the filesystem is what matters |
| 22:36.00 | jhutchins_wk | I think the problem was that he was solving a differnt cause for grub not mounting the drives. |
| 22:36.09 | anoob | is it possible to install steam on debian sid? |
| 22:36.16 | ettinger | so i backed up all my data, and then changed the partition type and now i can't seem to get into my system again. |
| 22:36.28 | ettinger | if i go into live-cd |
| 22:36.33 | ettinger | it says 'fdisk' not found |
| 22:37.03 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: What kind of setup was it? Was it RAID? Which version? Did you use LVM? If you're not seeing your swap partition any more you have probably lost any data on the drive. |
| 22:37.10 | somiaj | anoob: possible? yes. supported here? no. -- I haven't tried the linux beta client, so you may have to double check on the requirements but I would be surprised if wheezy or sid didn't meet them |
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| 22:37.35 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: i don't know. |
| 22:37.38 | somiaj | anoob: if you are talking about installing it via wine, goto winehq.org and look up the issues with steam |
| 22:37.58 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: i don't know if my swap partition ever showed in fdisk -l |
| 22:37.59 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: This is essential information if you're going to recover the system. Is this not your system? Who built it? |
| 22:38.20 | alecst | just installed debian -- for some reason there is no OK button (???) to save preferences in evolution. tried reinstalling w/ aptitude but the problem persists. any ideas? |
| 22:38.22 | ettinger | i did |
| 22:38.28 | ettinger | but like i said, i did this 5 years ago |
| 22:38.33 | ettinger | i don't remember everything i did |
| 22:38.54 | jhutchins_wk | alecst: Try just enter, or ctrl-enter. The OK button may be off-screen. |
| 22:38.54 | ettinger | how do i chroot into it? |
| 22:39.07 | alecst | jhutchins_wk: thanks, i'll give it a shot |
| 22:39.24 | somiaj | ettinger: you are jumping ahead of yourself, you first have to be able to get the data off yoru drive and so far we haven't been able to isolate your setup and how to mount your root partiiton |
| 22:39.24 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Without knowing what "it" is I can't tell you, but you have to mount it before you chan chroot to it. |
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| 22:39.35 | ettinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.51 | alecst | jhutchins_wk: neither of those work. OK button doesn't appear to be off screen |
| 22:39.54 | ettinger | will this help ata ll? |
| 22:39.55 | ettinger | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/had-a-power-failure-and-now-all-is-see-is-the-word-grub-when-i-boot-up-4175436605/#post4831595 |
| 22:39.56 | somiaj | ettinger: and when you tried mount /dev/sda1 /mnt you got what error? |
| 22:40.04 | ettinger | it is output from boot script |
| 22:40.05 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: You have to be able to mount it, and it sounds like at least the filesystem and probably the partition table are corrupt. |
| 22:40.13 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Do you have more than one physical drive? |
| 22:40.37 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: no |
| 22:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: grub isn't the problem, the problem is the disk and/or partition. |
| 22:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Grub might be the problem if you had done something that changed which disk was root, but you didn't. |
| 22:41.26 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: What you might have been able to do is run fsck, but it's a bit late for that. |
| 22:41.30 | ettinger | when i type mount /dev/sda1 /mnt it says "mount: unknown filesyste type 'promise_fasttrack_raid_member' |
| 22:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Do you have more than one physical drive? |
| 22:41.54 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: no, just 1 drive |
| 22:42.06 | jhutchins_wk | Then it is not a raid member and the error is bogus. |
| 22:42.19 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: It is unlikely the partition is recoverable. |
| 22:42.36 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: You can try mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 22:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Be advised that if you _do_ mount directly to /mnt, you may crash the live system, make a subdirectory and mount to that. |
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| 22:43.17 | somiaj | ettinger: it looks like you followed advice that was not pertnante to your system and corrupted your partitions/filesystem |
| 22:43.41 | jhutchins_wk | To be fair, they may well have been corrupted already. grub couldn't read root. |
| 22:43.51 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: why would mounting to /mnt crash the live system? (are things already mounted there?) |
| 22:43.53 | jhutchins_wk | Pretty sure they're toast now. |
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| 22:44.14 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yeah, on some live systems. Because you replace the tree under /mnt they can't find things. |
| 22:44.27 | billkd | /dev/bollocks says: deliver frictionless metrics |
| 22:44.47 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: What kind of error were you getting before you changed the filesystem type? |
| 22:45.30 | billkd | 3.5.0-18-generic |
| 22:45.32 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: it would just say "GRUB" when i booted up |
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| 22:46.41 | ettinger | it didn't mount, says VFS "Can't find ext3 filesyste on dev sda1" |
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| 22:47.06 | ettinger | i think i just need to change fdsik back from 83 to whwatever it was befroe |
| 22:47.08 | ettinger | before |
| 22:47.15 | neodemi | hi, im switching from ubuntu to debian. having issues getting a connection on wifi |
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| 22:48.24 | jparkton | I want o remove all versions of python and install only 2.7 is it possible or will it bork dependancies |
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| 22:48.35 | billkd | @neodemi do you have the wireless drivers for your card installed? Do you have X installed? |
| 22:48.39 | neodemi | installed the .ucode files needed at install, and have the wireless card show up on iwconfigg, but i have no idea how to make it connect to my router without network manager installed |
| 22:48.41 | zykotick9 | neodemi: before or after install? debian doesn't have many firmware on default install, like ubuntu does. what hardware is it? |
| 22:48.53 | jaggz | I stuck a DVD in my computer but I don't see anything showing in /var/log/* ... how do I access it? |
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| 22:49.13 | billkd | @neodemi iwconfig wlan0 essid "your essid here" |
| 22:49.14 | billkd | dhcpcd wlan0 ## only if you have dhcp, otherwise assign addresses manually. |
| 22:49.14 | zykotick9 | jaggz: if you have mplayer installed, "mplayer dvd://1" |
| 22:49.18 | jaggz | (actually I want access to the .vob files) |
| 22:49.33 | billkd | The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: dont sent any message any more stupit n idiot |
| 22:49.34 | ettinger | so i guess i lost my data then? |
| 22:49.35 | jaggz | because I want to watch it in vlc on my other computer |
| 22:49.47 | ettinger | should i just re-install? |
| 22:49.54 | jaggz | zykotick, I don't have X on that computer.. |
| 22:49.55 | billkd | try vlc /dev/sr0 or whatever your dvd device is |
| 22:50.24 | billkd | The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: Oh I at all do not understand a pancake about what you here talk. |
| 22:50.48 | billkd | The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: thats nots really nice |
| 22:50.50 | jaggz | I couldn't find the device.. but thank you so much -- it's /dev/dvd :) |
| 22:50.52 | billkd | If you're in trouble he will save the day |
| 22:50.57 | billkd | He's brave and he's fearless come what may |
| 22:51.02 | billkd | Without him the mission would go astray |
| 22:51.05 | billkd | /dev/bollocks says: harness sexy functionalities |
| 22:51.07 | billkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.12 | billkd | He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer |
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| 22:51.17 | billkd | Without him life would be much grimmer |
| 22:51.19 | billkd | The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: it becomes a complex rainbow of confusion. |
| 22:51.23 | billkd | He's handsome, trim and no-one slimmer |
| 22:51.27 | billkd | He will never need a Zimmer |
| 22:51.32 | billkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.37 | billkd | Ask Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer |
| 22:51.42 | billkd | More reliable than a garden trimmer |
| 22:51.47 | billkd | He's never been mistaken for Yul Brynner |
| 22:51.52 | billkd | He's not bald and his head doesn't glimmer |
| 22:51.57 | billkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.02 | billkd | Master of the wit and the repartee |
| 22:52.07 | billkd | His command of space directives is uncanny |
| 22:52.12 | billkd | How come he's such a genius? Don't ask me |
| 22:52.13 | buu | the fuck is this? |
| 22:52.17 | billkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.22 | billkd | Ask Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer |
| 22:52.27 | billkd | He's also a fantastic swimmer |
| 22:52.32 | billkd | And if you play your cards right |
| 22:52.37 | billkd | Then he just might come around for dinner |
| 22:52.42 | billkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.45 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: At this point I think it's going to be easier to reinstall. |
| 22:52.47 | billkd | He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer |
| 22:52.52 | billkd | No rhymes left now apart from quimmer |
| 22:52.53 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Your disk may be physically bad. |
| 22:52.57 | billkd | I hope they fade us out before we get to shlimmer |
| 22:52.58 | neodemi | dhcpcd not found |
| 22:53.00 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: so my data is toast? |
| 22:53.02 | billkd | Fade out you stupid brimmer |
| 22:53.07 | ettinger | can i reinstall and not format? |
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| 22:53.24 | billkd | can you get an alternative(I.E. ethernet or modem) connection to install packages? |
| 22:53.35 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: No, full reinstall, repartition, reformat. You've lost your swap. |
| 22:53.43 | neodemi | no, not on the machine |
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| 22:53.55 | ettinger | w/o a swap i can't mount the drive in read-only mode somehow to get at the data? |
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| 22:54.00 | neodemi | wireless or nothing im afraid |
| 22:54.01 | sinapsi | hi |
| 22:54.11 | jonathanpoon | hey guys...not sure what the terminology is called |
| 22:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Probably not. |
| 22:54.17 | sinapsi | if i'm using debian stable, with backports repository.. |
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| 22:54.32 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: It's not that you need the swap, it's the fact that the swap is gone. |
| 22:54.40 | sinapsi | do i have to add "-t squeeze-backports" wherever i do a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:54.53 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: No, don't do that. |
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| 22:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: Backports is for individual packages, it is not a full system. |
| 22:55.09 | jonathanpoon | but I wanted to setup a server that people SSH into, which then redirects the user to any server where the load on that server lowest |
| 22:55.26 | gez | Hi |
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| 22:55.36 | gez | I'm lost, I really need a hand here. |
| 22:55.41 | sinapsi | i have a 3.* kernel installed with backports |
| 22:55.42 | jonathanpoon | what is the best way to set something like that up? |
| 22:55.47 | sinapsi | nvidia drivers worked well |
| 22:55.58 | sinapsi | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 22:56.09 | jhutchins_wk | jonathanpoon: Not the kind of thing that you usually manage at a PC level, you need to do some kind of load ballancing. |
| 22:56.13 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: ok, i started text install |
| 22:56.18 | gez | I installed Debian Testing in two different machines, and in both machines (both 64bit installs, gnome desktop) all the KDE apps take too long to start |
| 22:56.23 | ettinger | but when i get to partitioning it seems to be finding my swap |
| 22:56.24 | sinapsi | e the kernel 2.6* was upgraded with nvidia driveres etc |
| 22:56.36 | ettinger | SCSI4 |
| 22:56.43 | ettinger | #1 biosgrbu |
| 22:56.48 | ettinger | #2 2TB ext3 |
| 22:56.53 | ettinger | #3 2.1gb swap |
| 22:57.02 | somiaj | gez: what is too long? Could it be because you are in gnome it is having to load some qt common stuff in the background that it wouldn't if you were in kde? |
| 22:57.07 | sinapsi | now if i start with kernel 3.0 x doesn't start :P so i tried dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports :S |
| 22:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Sounds like it found a GPT partition table. |
| 22:57.19 | sinapsi | let's see what happens now XD |
| 22:57.23 | somiaj | sinapsi: do not do that |
| 22:57.29 | gez | somiaj: too long is problably a minute |
| 22:57.38 | gez | that long |
| 22:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: You could try again to rescue it with parted instead of fdisk, but I'm afraid you'll still have problems. |
| 22:57.49 | somiaj | sinapsi: you do not want all of the packages in squeeze-backports. You only want to upgrade the few packages that you need |
| 22:58.04 | gez | And I have another machine with testing, just installed a couple of months earlier and the kde apps run immediately |
| 22:58.10 | ettinger | ok, in the install, do i just Finishing partitiona nd write changes to disk? or should I do something else here |
| 22:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: Additional steps have to happen if you're using the nvidia drivers. dkms has to build them for the new kernel. |
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| 22:58.55 | sinapsi | jhutchins_wk: i had installed the last proprietary driver before updating, it worked fine :) |
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| 22:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: I'm not familiar with how the current debian deals with gpt. Do you understand the difference between gpt and a standard partition table? |
| 22:59.13 | jaggz | darn.. I can't copy it.. I'm forced to watch this video from dvd every time.. ugh. |
| 22:59.26 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: Right, but if you updated your kernel, the driver needs to be reinstalled. |
| 22:59.28 | jaggz | linux has a sector read error.. windows says it can't copy it because a sector is encrypted |
| 22:59.37 | sinapsi | ok, thank you |
| 22:59.40 | sinapsi | i imagined that |
| 22:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: You don't suppose it's copy protected, do you? |
| 23:00.02 | sinapsi | now i did a dist-upgrade with -t squeeze-backports. will i have problems? |
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| 23:00.14 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: Probably. |
| 23:00.19 | somiaj | sinapsi: who knows what problems you will have...bad bad juju |
| 23:00.22 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: Hard to tell though. |
| 23:00.28 | sinapsi | :D |
| 23:00.36 | jhutchins_wk | sinapsi: You're the first one down your particular path. |
| 23:00.46 | jaggz | yeah, but it's my purchased dvd and I want to watch it without it being in my computer zooming and slow.. |
| 23:00.52 | jaggz | actually I didn't purchase it, it was a gift |
| 23:01.18 | jhutchins_wk | jaggz: Overcoming copy protection is not within the scope of this channel. |
| 23:01.19 | sinapsi | after the finishing of dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports, nvidia-installer-cleanup started, but... i don't know if it is goin on :S |
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| 23:01.51 | jaggz | I completely understand.. This was initially a question on just accessing the thing from shell |
| 23:01.54 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: no, but i don't want to do some old way of partitioning |
| 23:02.15 | sje46 | Whats a good way to look for a *directory* on linux? "locate" isn't searching external mountpoints |
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| 23:02.59 | sje46 | And there doesnt appear to be an option with "find", i.e. "find . -name directoryname" |
| 23:03.04 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: Here's a guess: you had a gpt and a standard partition table. The standard table got corrupted when you lost power. You messed it up further by trying to change the partition type. |
| 23:03.41 | jhutchins_wk | I still don't think it's worth trying to recover, so just proceede with your installation. |
| 23:04.01 | jhutchins_wk | There's insufficient knowledge and expertise available tonight to fix the old one. |
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| 23:04.33 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: yeah, i'm doing that. i deleted all my partitions |
| 23:04.42 | ettinger | and choose use entire disk. |
| 23:04.53 | ettinger | But not it is saying /dev/sda contains GPT signature |
| 23:04.57 | dvs | too much turkey |
| 23:05.12 | ettinger | It's asking me if it's a GPT partition table. |
| 23:06.38 | ettinger | i guess i'll just say "yes" |
| 23:06.50 | ettinger | this install isn't very intuitive |
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| 23:23.43 | crypticmofo | yo |
| 23:23.53 | crypticmofo | i want to install the android sdk onto my system |
| 23:23.55 | crypticmofo | im looking at http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/android-sdk-installer-for-linux-debianubuntu |
| 23:23.58 | crypticmofo | has anyone tried this ? |
| 23:24.04 | abrotman | have you? |
| 23:24.14 | crypticmofo | neg |
| 23:24.19 | abrotman | so why ask about it? |
| 23:24.20 | crypticmofo | i jsut googled it |
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| 23:24.42 | abrotman | so give it a whirl |
| 23:24.45 | crypticmofo | umm.. good question .. i have an android phone and i need the sdk on it .. so i was just wondering if anyone else has tried it |
| 23:24.47 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 23:24.56 | edju | Running testing w/ kde. The computer wouldn't wake from sleep and the power button didn't work. I pulled the power cord and left it for a few days. Plugged it back in and it woke up. Checked /var/log/pm-suspend.log; found no errors listed. Where else to check? Is there a cli command to sleep? |
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| 23:29.08 | jhutchins_wk | ettinger: The current state of GPT and EFI handling in Debian is changing faster than the documentation, it's hard to keep up. |
| 23:29.49 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Sounds like you need to figure out how to wake it up. Sometimes it's the power button. |
| 23:30.08 | jhutchins_wk | edju: USB keyboards are particular hard to get wakeups from. |
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| 23:32.29 | ettinger | how do i install ssh server? |
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| 23:32.59 | nvz | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 23:33.07 | dvs | ... |
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| 23:34.37 | ettinger | jhutchins_wk: when i re-partitioned, it used /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda1 |
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| 23:40.58 | redax | hi |
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| 23:42.21 | giovannino | hi |
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| 23:42.37 | dvs | waits for the list |
| 23:43.02 | giovannino | is it possible to use kill to send a program in background ? (like using ctrl+z and then'bg' on the terminal window ) |
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| 23:46.18 | giovannino | the process i'd like to send in background is wget. it's opened in a terminal window of the ssh client. the problem is that gnome3 is f***ed up and i'll need to restart gdm3. So i'm trying to send a kill via the server to put wget in background, so that i can close the terminal window in the client. |
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| 23:52.11 | confusid | Hello, I am still not able to play a DVD I bought. |
| 23:52.27 | crypticmofo | confusid, what happens ? |
| 23:53.11 | confusid | mplayer says "Could not read from resource" |
| 23:53.25 | confusid | vlc flashes the screen for a sec then nothing. |
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| 23:53.49 | sinapsi | i'm an idiot. |
| 23:53.52 | crypticmofo | confusid, encryptied dvd ? |
| 23:54.03 | crypticmofo | omg im downloaded at 44kbs |
| 23:54.03 | sinapsi | i accidentally removed /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
| 23:54.04 | crypticmofo | wtf |
| 23:54.17 | confusid | It is Fight Club. I am not sure. I can see the files on it threw Thunar |
| 23:54.19 | crypticmofo | can't just reconfigure the pkg ? |
| 23:54.22 | cusco | .confmiss |
| 23:54.26 | crypticmofo | package* |
| 23:54.26 | cusco | !confmiss |
| 23:54.27 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 23:55.56 | confusid | crypticmofo: I see the .vob files I have played before from other dvds I own. |
| 23:56.02 | crypticmofo | wierd |
| 23:57.00 | crypticmofo | http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
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| 23:57.38 | crypticmofo | confusid, are you mounting the dvd first or what ? |
| 23:58.08 | confusid | I put the dvd in and thunar sees it I assume it is mounted. |
| 23:59.08 | crypticmofo | right click it in thunar |
| 23:59.15 | crypticmofo | what does it say ? mount eject what ? |
| 23:59.31 | sinapsi | great cusco |
| 23:59.33 | sinapsi | *_* |
| 23:59.36 | confusid | eject |
| 23:59.40 | sinapsi | automagically worked |
| 23:59.54 | cusco | :) |
