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| 00:01.23 | crypticmofo | confusid, don't know sorry . im actually at work also so i can't do both at the same time .. ij ust got a call |
| 00:01.25 | crypticmofo | sorry man |
| 00:02.02 | confusid | np |
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| 00:02.42 | confusid | if I did use the debian-multimedia file libdvdcss2 Would that break my system? |
| 00:03.37 | LtL | confusid: no, and its deb-multimedia.org |
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| 00:04.09 | LtL | confusid: they arent supported so be sufficiently non-worried |
| 00:06.20 | confusid | ok.. smplayer played the intro of it till the menu poped up then it went to black screen.. |
| 00:06.27 | giovannino | cusco: how do you know the keyword to pass to dpkg bot? is there a list? |
| 00:06.46 | giovannino | like "!confmiss" |
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| 00:08.45 | LtL | giovannino: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 00:11.08 | LtL | giovannino: http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ <- factoids -or- /msg dpkg factoids |
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| 00:14.15 | cusco | giovannino: go in private with the bot, then listvalues *search-string* |
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| 00:14.26 | giovannino | thanks |
| 00:14.55 | LtL | giovannino: welcome |
| 00:16.49 | LtL | cusco: that was your thankyou, excuse me :) |
| 00:17.37 | somiaj | confusid: I use xine to play dvd's (mostly because it has decent menu support for them), mplayer works but you have to know what track to play |
| 00:17.37 | sinapsi | i'm again here |
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| 00:18.22 | sinapsi | when i run the installation file of the nvidia proprietary driver |
| 00:18.32 | sinapsi | it closes saying it was killed |
| 00:18.45 | sinapsi | i'm sure it's the right file |
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| 00:19.14 | sinapsi | i installed before my crazy dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports |
| 00:19.25 | un214 | what does that do? |
| 00:19.26 | confusid | somiaj: stupid question. apt-get install xine say's it cannot find it. Do I need to tell it to use backports? |
| 00:19.34 | somiaj | confusid: apt-cache search xine |
| 00:19.50 | confusid | ty |
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| 00:20.29 | confusid | this 247kbs internet connection is killing me :/ |
| 00:20.30 | somiaj | confusid: I was hoping that would be more concise, looks like 'xine-ui' |
| 00:20.36 | somiaj | confusid: is the name of the package. :/ |
| 00:20.43 | confusid | ty |
| 00:21.05 | somiaj | confusid: note make sure you read the info in /usr/share/doc/xine-ui/README.Debian about how to get dvd decryption to work |
| 00:21.20 | confusid | will do! |
| 00:21.25 | crypticmofo | confusid, thats nothing im downloading something at 75kbs up load is 7kbs o_O |
| 00:21.48 | somiaj | confusid: note I think your issue is still libdvdread4 (and maybe libdvdcss), I only suggested xine because I like it has full 'menu' support for dvd's (where mplayer dose not) |
| 00:21.51 | confusid | LOL.. Ok You made me smile :) |
| 00:21.53 | confusid | I just am afraid to install anything from Debian Multimedia. |
| 00:21.57 | somiaj | I don't use vlc/totem or anyother media player though. |
| 00:22.06 | confusid | I have libdvdread4 installed atm |
| 00:22.10 | un214 | mplayer dvdnav:// |
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| 00:22.15 | crypticmofo | confusid, you need more then that i think |
| 00:22.22 | somiaj | confusid: I think your fear is good. I don't like third party repos (even from debian matainers) because sometimes they install libs that conflict with stable. |
| 00:22.31 | crypticmofo | confusid, libdvdread libdvdcss2 libdvdnav |
| 00:23.29 | confusid | crypticmofo: is libdvdcss2 and libdvdnav from 3rd party? |
| 00:23.32 | somiaj | confusid: I have a fresh install (though it is sid) and here is what I am doing. 1) apt-get install xine-ui |
| 00:24.40 | confusid | 15 minutes for xine-ui XD |
| 00:24.56 | sinapsi | do you know when i can issue an error of translation of a program? |
| 00:25.02 | somiaj | damn found a bug, apt-cache show xine-ui says there is a file /usr/share/doc/xine-ui/README.Debian does not exist |
| 00:25.30 | crypticmofo | i don't think so i forgot where i got them from .. i think its from nonfree or free |
| 00:25.33 | crypticmofo | i can look |
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| 00:25.58 | crypticmofo | i think libdvdcss2 i had to download a .dev |
| 00:26.03 | crypticmofo | .deb* |
| 00:26.12 | crypticmofo | and libdvdnav is part of the repos |
| 00:26.35 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 00:27.42 | somiaj | confusid: you migt not need xine, have you read 'less /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css' |
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| 00:29.19 | somiaj | confusid: so out of the box I didn't have dvd support, but after reading that document I found a way to get libdvdcss (the sight only seems to supply a i386 binary and I'm on amd64 and due to not wanting to mix versions I find it better to download the source) |
| 00:30.03 | confusid | reading the file now. You had to compile from source then? |
| 00:30.11 | somiaj | confusid: so do you want instructions on how to compile from source? |
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| 00:30.31 | confusid | somiaj: if you don't mind. I am new to compiling anything. |
| 00:30.34 | somiaj | confusid: let me finish doing it sucessfuly, I ran across some error in the build script I was given. |
| 00:30.39 | crypticmofo | confusid, i forgot the command to tell what exact source it came from but apt-cache policy libdvdnav4 says it came from a repo |
| 00:30.45 | crypticmofo | somiaj, what am i missing |
| 00:30.50 | somiaj | yea the only thing you can get from debian is libdvdcss |
| 00:31.04 | somiaj | (i'm unsure if debian multimedia provides it or not) I'm just compiling froms ource |
| 00:31.06 | crypticmofo | somiaj, libdvdnav4 is in the repo |
| 00:31.12 | crypticmofo | im looking at it |
| 00:31.21 | crypticmofo | its in the wheezy main repo |
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| 00:31.39 | somiaj | crypticmofo: as I said the only thing you cannot get from debian (for legal reasons) is libdvdcss |
| 00:32.37 | crypticmofo | ok |
| 00:32.40 | crypticmofo | i miss rad it |
| 00:32.44 | crypticmofo | read* |
| 00:33.01 | somiaj | unforntally I ran across an issue with 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' as the suppied debian dir the source errors out, so now I have to debug it |
| 00:33.14 | crypticmofo | what is the best way to find a package where it came from |
| 00:33.18 | somiaj | I wish there was a nice way to get libdvdcss for squeeze, but I don't know one, I have always buitl form source |
| 00:33.19 | crypticmofo | apt-cache policy ? |
| 00:34.13 | somiaj | apt-cache policy <package name> will show all possibilities you have of installing a package from your repos |
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| 00:37.41 | crypticmofo | confusid, or another search i forgot to narrow down results apt-cache search --names-only libdv try that |
| 00:37.43 | crypticmofo | should get 7 hits |
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| 00:38.56 | confusid | I see 14 items |
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| 00:47.37 | somiaj | ok sorry got distracted, lets see why the debian/rules binary failed |
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| 00:49.12 | somiaj | yea the supplied debian/ fails on sid, :/ |
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| 00:51.01 | thinkerweb | anyone know how to hack wpa2 network for internet access |
| 00:51.09 | crypticmofo | ... |
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| 00:51.32 | crypticmofo | thinkerweb, your really going to type that here in a public chat room ? |
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| 00:52.38 | somiaj | thinkerweb: google will be the best bet. wpa2 is consider secure from most standards so unless it is just a terrible key you may be out of luck |
| 00:53.46 | thinkerweb | ah forget it, I remember though, wpa was hackable using some tools available in our repo, maybe wpa2 isn't |
| 00:54.00 | crypticmofo | aircrack-ng ? |
| 00:54.13 | thinkerweb | maybe, yeah, that sounds like it |
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| 00:55.26 | somiaj | yea wep and wpa can be hacked by watching network traffic, wpa2 I htink you just have to guess keys and try/try again |
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| 01:00.02 | confusid | somiaj: the README say's to go to http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ But it is not comming up for me. |
| 01:00.19 | somiaj | confusid: what README? |
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| 01:01.04 | confusid | That and README is in there. |
| 01:01.20 | confusid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:01.59 | AlexLikeRock | how to now if my GPU suport my VIDEOGAME ? |
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| 01:02.45 | stew | yow |
| 01:02.54 | giltoon | hello |
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| 01:03.19 | AlexLikeRock | i play with this machine on Winodw$ Nintendo 64 , but wenh play on GNU , they are slow |
| 01:03.33 | somiaj | confusid: yea I'm looking at the sid package, the readme has changed |
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| 01:04.12 | somiaj | confusid: are you using i386 or amd64? |
| 01:04.21 | giltoon | I'm trying to get some SO files which should be chosen according to the machine CPU type |
| 01:04.24 | confusid | amd64 |
| 01:04.25 | giltoon | my VPS cpu type is: "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz" |
| 01:04.40 | giltoon | need help to chose the right SO file from this list: http://pastie.org/5429586 |
| 01:04.57 | giltoon | any idea? |
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| 01:06.11 | somiaj | confusid: can you put a copy of the README.Debian you were reading on paste.debian.net (I don't want to get it in a chroot cause i'm being lzay) |
| 01:06.31 | confusid | np one sec |
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| 01:07.17 | protomouse | giltoon: if talking about compiler optimization, your CPU supports SSE4 so I'd go with that. |
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| 01:09.25 | edju | Downloaded linux-source-3.2. linux-patch-3.2-rt.patch.bz2 also came down. There's a patch? Sould I upack and apply it? |
| 01:09.26 | confusid | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/212122/ |
| 01:09.30 | giltoon | thanks but there are 2 filenames with SSE4 for my 32bit system |
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| 01:10.41 | somiaj | confusid: yea looks like they aren't providing packages at that top link anymore, seems like source is the best bet for installing it. I'm still workign with getting it to compile on sid. |
| 01:11.16 | confusid | I need to go afk for a moment. brb. |
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| 01:13.11 | protomouse | giltoon: one is GCC4-compiled, the other using the Intel compiler. If you're that concerned about performance, I'd recommend benchmarking them :) |
| 01:14.40 | giltoon | i'm going to do that :) thanks |
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| 01:16.20 | protomouse | giltoon: np mate |
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| 01:22.57 | somiaj | I don't recall building libdvdcss to be such a problem, but this is the error I get, dh_install: libdvdcss-dev missing files (usr/share/pkgconfig/*), aborting |
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| 01:28.16 | somiaj | guess the debian wiki suggest just getting the package from deb-multimedia |
| 01:28.28 | confusid | ugh |
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| 01:29.27 | somiaj | confusid: wget http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.12-dmo1.squeeze1_amd64.deb |
| 01:29.41 | somiaj | confusid: then install that package. (or use apt-get if you have deb-multimedia in your sources.list) |
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| 01:30.36 | somiaj | confusid: I got that and installed that package and my dvd's are now playing |
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| 01:31.01 | confusid | can I use apt-get something for the deb-multimedia source instead of having to enable it then disable it? |
| 01:31.34 | somiaj | confusid: I would just wget the .deb file and install it with dpkg -i (what I did) and I'm now watching the big lebowski |
| 01:32.05 | confusid | somiaj: ty for your help! |
| 01:32.06 | gnarface | you can get it from the videolan source too i think |
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| 01:35.44 | confusid | somiaj: >< Fight Club has started :) |
| 01:36.03 | somiaj | gnarface: it isn't easy to install, './configure && make && make install' still wasn't giving me dvdcss support |
| 01:36.08 | aezx | lebowski > fight club |
| 01:36.25 | confusid | hehe |
| 01:36.46 | somiaj | gnarface: and I was having trouble complining a .deb from it and got tired of debugging and figured it would be a terrle thign to try to support. |
| 01:37.05 | somiaj | though I should now go file a bug to libdvdread to have them include the deb-multimedia packages as an alternative to get the .deb's |
| 01:37.14 | somiaj | (in the README.css file) |
| 01:37.53 | confusid | Is there a way to setup source.list so only a certain file is updated by a repo and all others are ignored from it? |
| 01:38.01 | nixbag | if i set my sources to all read 'testing' instead of 'wheezy', would i automatically start getting all the jessie updates when it starts? |
| 01:38.16 | somiaj | confusid: you do this trough pinning and apt config files |
| 01:38.32 | confusid | somiaj: I'm off to google :) |
| 01:38.55 | somiaj | confusid: personally you shouldn't need to update libdvdcss and my suggestion would be as I said, download the .deb and install it ignoring the whole deb-multimedia repo (though many like it so it is your choice) |
| 01:40.02 | confusid | somiaj: then I will not worry with it. I have it in my source.list but it is commented out. |
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| 01:57.07 | somiaj | confusid: (: |
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| 01:59.03 | adrianveronezu | buna seara |
| 01:59.08 | adrianveronezu | e cineva pe aici |
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| 02:17.31 | thinkerweb | frig man flash cs3 is awesome, I can't believe it didn't take over the net, jquery is shit compared to flash. And adobe gave it away for free to mozilla or something. Anyway, anyone got flash cs3 installed on debian? |
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| 02:20.02 | smacnay | What is a reasonable speed for transfers between two computers (using ftp) on a local 100 MBS lan? |
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| 02:20.41 | ntwrk_keith | close to 100Mb? |
| 02:20.51 | ntwrk_keith | I wouldnt expect 100Mb exact |
| 02:20.56 | ntwrk_keith | but close |
| 02:22.42 | somiaj | provided the drives can write that fast |
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| 02:22.52 | somiaj | and note there is a difference between mega-bit and mega-byte |
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| 02:24.01 | zinx | smacnay: on a properly set up full-duplex 100Mbps network, typically 12MB/s or so |
| 02:26.59 | smacnay | zinx: thanks - I am maxing out at 1.7 - not sure if it is the fact that the drive is set up on the lan router (router config may be less than perfect) or if it is the network itself. |
| 02:27.30 | zinx | smacnay: probably the router |
| 02:27.39 | ntwrk_keith | connected via USB? |
| 02:27.53 | smacnay | I might put the external drive on the linux box in my basement. |
| 02:28.00 | smacnay | ntwrk_keith: yes - usb |
| 02:28.09 | zinx | USB's pretty CPU-hungry, and most routers can't really do much over 40Mbps anyway |
| 02:28.23 | smacnay | ntwrk_keith: I am guessing usb 2.0 (router) as I know the drive is a usb 3.0 drive. |
| 02:28.50 | smacnay | I will try putting this on the lin box in the basement and see how that works. |
| 02:29.00 | smacnay | Maybe nfs rather than ftp? |
| 02:29.13 | zinx | ftp will probably be slightly faster, but you use it differently |
| 02:29.22 | ntwrk_keith | I dont think the protocol will make a huge difference |
| 02:29.26 | zinx | that's definitely a spot where you need to choose the right tool for the job |
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| 02:43.31 | Justin | smacnay: nfs will not be faster than ftp |
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| 02:43.45 | Justin | ftp is a shitty protocol that needs to die, but once the file transfer has starter there is no overhead |
| 02:44.43 | ntwrk_keith | hey Justin :) |
| 02:45.19 | Justin | smacnay: most routers with usb ports are just not fast enough. your router is probably a 2-400mhz mips CPU |
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| 02:51.01 | smacnay | Justin - I am going to assume you are correct. |
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| 02:54.44 | Justin | a raspberry pi works good as a little nas box |
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| 02:58.37 | ntwrk_keith | Justin: I'm trying to get mine setup, need to find a powered USB hub so I can use it as XBMC box |
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| 03:45.25 | Darkclaw66 | hi, im trying to figure out if i need reject_rhsbl_client or just stick with reject_rbl_client |
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| 04:18.08 | Justin | Darkclaw66: that's really up to you |
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| 04:39.26 | Blue1 | I am having some problems getting flash to work on a 32 bit debian squeeze fresh install. dpkg shows it installed, but youtube does not work. |
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| 04:40.55 | Justin | Blue1: it? |
| 04:41.18 | Blue1 | Justin: flash player installed -- |
| 04:41.47 | somiaj | Justin: what package? |
| 04:41.51 | somiaj | Blue1: ^^ |
| 04:41.56 | somiaj | Justin: haha sorry |
| 04:42.38 | Blue1 | Justin: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 |
| 04:43.43 | ipup | you can move flash files by hand and make it to work |
| 04:44.08 | ipup | but for a real debian user, gnash is more 1337 |
| 04:44.29 | somiaj | Blue1: run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' (as root) and then restart your browser and check about:plugins and see if it sees the flash plugin |
| 04:44.33 | Blue1 | ipup: okay where am I moving libflashplayer.so to? it is in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
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| 04:46.18 | Blue1 | somiaj: firefox libflashplayer.so installed - just ran the command will restart now |
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| 04:47.35 | somiaj | Blue1: how did you install firefox? (debian comes with iceweasel) |
| 04:48.55 | Blue1 | somiaj: I am on a 32 bit system but used this: http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ |
| 04:49.27 | Blue1 | somiaj: iceweasel does not work either |
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| 04:50.35 | ipup | debian is awesome. it comes with iceweasel and gnash plugin |
| 04:50.39 | somiaj | well the firefox you got might not look in the same places that debian puts the plugins, so I would suggest making a link in $HOME/.firefox/plugins (I belive) and getting to the point firefox sees the plugin |
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| 04:51.49 | ipup | debian live can watch youtube even without sse, just costs more cpu power |
| 04:51.51 | Blue1 | somiaj: firefox sees the plugin |
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| 04:52.24 | Blue1 | somiaj: if I try iceweasel it just exits |
| 04:53.03 | ipup | the last flash plugin won't run if your cpu without sse |
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| 04:53.11 | somiaj | Blue1: does firefox youtube now work, if not y ou could have some other issues. Also installing 64 bit software on 32bit install can be problemadic. did you make sure to get the 32bit versions from mozilla? |
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| 04:53.48 | somiaj | but if firefox sees the plugin in about:plugins and youtube isn't working might be due to something else. |
| 04:53.53 | ipup | so don't waste your brain power on flash plusin, for your very old computers |
| 04:54.00 | somiaj | (also 32 bit plugin may not mix with 64bit firefox) |
| 04:54.03 | Blue1 | somiaj: as indicated I installed 32 bit software on a 32 bit sytem |
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| 04:54.39 | Blue1 | somiaj: this example is 64 bit but the location is correct -- |
| 04:55.13 | Blue1 | somiaj: so 32 bit onto a 32 bit system - yes I actaully wrote that entry - pkill-9 is mine. |
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| 05:00.42 | somiaj | so does youtube now work? Since firefox sees the plugin, what doesn't work? |
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| 05:00.56 | Blue1 | somiaj: youtube does not work. |
| 05:01.19 | somiaj | !does not work |
| 05:01.20 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 05:02.50 | Rusty1 | Blue1: tried chromium-browser? |
| 05:03.05 | Blue1 | somiaj: youtube does NOT play a video. chrome says the plugin is missing although it is in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so -- firefox sees the plugin - but will NOT play a youtube video. |
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| 05:03.27 | somiaj | that could just be something to do with youtube and your internet connenction |
| 05:03.39 | somiaj | can you right click on the video player and get a menu for the flash player? |
| 05:03.45 | Blue1 | somiaj: why would chrome say the plugin is missing? |
| 05:03.58 | Blue1 | somiaj: i will try that. |
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| 05:04.42 | somiaj | really I don't know. Since you are kinda installing your own software manually you are on your own to debug things. Suggestion is to stick with debian packages (and use mozilla.debian.org if you need a newer version of iceweasel) or squeeze-backports |
| 05:04.49 | somiaj | (for newer versions of other software) |
| 05:05.20 | Justin | Blue1: chrome bundles its own flash plugin |
| 05:05.26 | Blue1 | somiaj: well understand iceweasel does not work either -- |
| 05:05.37 | Blue1 | Justin: chrome says it is missing (flashplayer) |
| 05:05.44 | Justin | are you using chrome or chromium? |
| 05:05.55 | Blue1 | Justin: chromium |
| 05:06.01 | Justin | chromium is not chrome |
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| 05:06.45 | ipup | chromium is like a lame chrome |
| 05:06.46 | somiaj | Blue1: yes we understand that. I don't know why it doesn't work because you don't tell us more than that. Since you have done things with maunally coping software into your install we cannot be sure where the issue is. |
| 05:06.50 | Blue1 | Justin: ahh I thought they were one in the same -- ii chromium-browser 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6 Chromium browser |
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| 05:07.09 | Blue1 | somiaj: nor i |
| 05:07.41 | AlexLikeRock | wen i try install "aptitude install nvidia-settings" tehy drop me this .... http://paste.debian.net/212137/ |
| 05:07.42 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.46 | Blue1 | somiaj: I have done this before and it just works after you install the non-free plugin - this time it did not. yes remove and re-installed. |
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| 05:09.36 | somiaj | might be something got messed up in what you were doing manually...again unless you can provide more info I can't do much |
| 05:10.21 | Blue1 | somiaj: I don't know what else I can tell you -- I installed it according to my recipe -- 32 bit = 32 bit -- I can remove firefox I guess. |
| 05:11.44 | somiaj | something just isn't working, not sure what. Most likely that won't change things |
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| 05:15.06 | Blue1 | somiaj: most likely but I will start over |
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| 05:15.16 | Blue1 | somiaj: thank you for your time |
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| 05:22.41 | Blue1 | somiaj: redid everything -- youtube now works fine. |
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| 05:25.54 | AlexLikeRock | wen i try install "aptitude install nvidia-settings" tehy drop me this .... http://paste.debian.net/212137/ |
| 05:25.55 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.19 | blink__ | bye all |
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| 05:34.38 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: I don't read spanish, but looks like you cannot use the nvidia-settings tool with the older legacy nvidia drivers |
| 05:35.10 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: nvidia-settings conflicts with the package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-173xx that is on your system because you have an older card |
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| 05:37.13 | wols_ | install nvidia-settings from debian stable then |
| 05:37.19 | wols_ | ,depends nvidia-settings |
| 05:37.20 | judd | Package nvidia-settings in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxext6 (>= 0). |
| 05:38.09 | AlexLikeRock | sooo. dont install nVidia settings on swheezy? |
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| 05:39.10 | wols_ | AlexLikeRock: package name has changed: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-settings&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
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| 05:44.28 | AlexLikeRock | whis one chois ? |
| 05:44.40 | AlexLikeRock | Package nvidia-settings |
| 05:44.40 | AlexLikeRock | OR |
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| 06:30.40 | nerd | is their a documentation for debain ? like ubuntu has ? |
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| 06:33.50 | scientes | !handbook |
| 06:33.58 | scientes | nerd, debian handbook |
| 06:34.21 | scientes | there is also alot of developer-oriented documentation |
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| 06:35.57 | nerd | scientes: scientes cool info :) |
| 06:37.03 | nerd | where i can find developer oriented documentatin ? |
| 06:37.53 | beardy | !nm |
| 06:38.06 | beardy | !nm nerd |
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| 06:38.55 | beardy | ENODPKG, dondelelcaro |
| 06:38.57 | AlexLikeRock | why dont foud on debian mupen64plus "grafical frond end " ? |
| 06:39.09 | AlexLikeRock | i can run on terminal |
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| 06:39.28 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.35 | nerd | beardy: nm ? can't get it mate |
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| 06:48.33 | beardy | nerd: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ is what I meant. http://www.debian.org/doc/ is another starting point. |
| 06:49.16 | nerd | thanks beardy :) |
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| 07:05.42 | sauvin | How do you do the dpkg reconfigure thing to install *all* available locales? |
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| 07:06.33 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 07:07.23 | sauvin | That'll install *all* of them without my having to say "yea yea yea yea" ? |
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| 07:09.48 | somiaj | there is an option at teh top to select all I thoguht |
| 07:09.53 | somiaj | but it will take a while to build them all |
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| 07:11.15 | sauvin | .... oh. Yea, the TUI lists that at the very top. Handy! I don't remember this from before. |
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| 07:48.09 | boulet101010 | Hi, i'm trying to create an ubuntu chroot inside my debian squeeze, so i'm using debootstrap but it need ubuntu keyring. i installed ubuntu-keyring package from ubuntu repos but nothing seems to change. Any tips? |
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| 07:57.05 | fling | how may I install skyped? |
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| 07:58.41 | fling | E: Unable to locate package skyped |
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| 08:02.16 | nashant | Hi guys. I've mounted a debian image, how do I change the root password or add sudo to it? |
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| 08:04.00 | dondelelcaro | nashant: chroot into it and do whatever you want. |
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| 08:04.59 | fling | dondelelcaro: how may I install skyped? |
| 08:05.09 | boulet101010 | fling: http://yellowprotoss.ye.funpic.org/website/skyped/ |
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| 08:05.26 | boulet101010 | there is some .debs, install them vai dpkg -i |
| 08:05.40 | fling | boulet101010: can not I just install with apt? |
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| 08:06.48 | boulet101010 | oh yse you can on sid |
| 08:07.02 | boulet101010 | yuo need the non-free repositories |
| 08:07.25 | fling | give me an example please :p |
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| 08:09.02 | boulet101010 | hum, what version of debian you have (stable - squeeze, testing - wheezy, unstable - sid) ? |
| 08:09.27 | boulet101010 | what are the installed repositories ? (main, contrib, non-free) |
| 08:09.42 | boulet101010 | if you don't know all of this juste pastebin the /etc/apt/sources.list so i can tell you |
| 08:10.15 | fling | boulet101010: http://dpaste.com/836239/ |
| 08:10.52 | boulet101010 | ok so you got squeeze, unfortunately skyped isn't in the squeeze repositories |
| 08:10.58 | boulet101010 | squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 08:11.03 | boulet101010 | line 15 |
| 08:11.52 | fling | boulet101010: what should I do? |
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| 08:13.21 | boulet101010 | two solutions, you can try to install skyped on squeeze (i check the dependencies) or upgrade to sid |
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| 08:16.10 | boulet101010 | fling: so : if you want to stay in squeeze version, you should have no problem installing the skyped package |
| 08:16.36 | boulet101010 | what architecture do you use? |
| 08:16.45 | fling | boulet101010: amd64 |
| 08:17.04 | boulet101010 | hehe |
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| 08:18.08 | boulet101010 | unfortunately microsoft doesn't provide amd64 binaries |
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| 08:18.53 | fling | boulet101010: so should I switch to x86? |
| 08:19.07 | boulet101010 | it depends, you could install ia32-libs too |
| 08:19.34 | fling | I want to make it simple |
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| 08:19.38 | boulet101010 | ok |
| 08:19.47 | boulet101010 | the it's easier to install ia32-libs |
| 08:20.04 | boulet101010 | have you already added skype ? |
| 08:20.15 | fling | yes, I have skype |
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| 08:20.34 | boulet101010 | ok so you should haev the ia32-libs already installed |
| 08:20.56 | boulet101010 | can you paste the results of aptitude show python-skype |
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| 08:21.45 | fling | boulet101010: http://dpaste.com/836241/ |
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| 08:22.37 | boulet101010 | ok so apt-get install python-skype and then you can download the skyped package loacted in the first link i sent to you |
| 08:22.48 | boulet101010 | s/loac/loca/ |
| 08:23.01 | fling | thanks |
| 08:23.34 | boulet101010 | when it's downloaded, as root, you can : dpkg -i skyped*.deb |
| 08:24.26 | fling | boulet101010: http://dpaste.com/836242/ |
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| 08:24.49 | boulet101010 | when it's downloaded, as root, you can : dpkg -i --force-architecture skyped*.deb |
| 08:26.07 | boulet101010 | you'll find this useful : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 08:26.27 | fling | http://dpaste.com/836244/ |
| 08:27.06 | fling | installed! |
| 08:27.41 | fling | http://dpaste.com/836246/ |
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| 08:30.13 | fling | ImportError: No module named gobject |
| 08:30.35 | shadow_fox | i am not able to connect to my external harddisk , its showing unable to mount; |
| 08:30.56 | boulet101010 | rofl fling |
| 08:31.09 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: which filesystem it is? |
| 08:31.30 | boulet101010 | fling: that sucks, i don't use skype so don't know a lot about these king of bugs |
| 08:31.44 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: i guess ntfs |
| 08:32.20 | fling | boulet101010: is not it because the package forced to istall into lib64 istead of lib32? |
| 08:32.29 | boulet101010 | which version of debian you use shadow_fox |
| 08:32.50 | boulet101010 | ewww you put the finger right |
| 08:32.56 | boulet101010 | try to install ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 08:33.25 | shadow_fox | squeeze 6.0.6 |
| 08:33.49 | fling | boulet101010: looks like I need the package for amd64 |
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| 08:33.59 | fling | boulet101010: yes it is 32 bit but for 64 |
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| 08:35.03 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: do i need any extra packages or something with the permission i guess messed up |
| 08:35.09 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 08:35.17 | boulet101010 | this is where you should start |
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| 08:35.27 | boulet101010 | fling: just apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk then test |
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| 08:36.23 | fling | boulet101010: same |
| 08:37.10 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: this is the error i am getting while connecting https://gist.github.com/4050120 |
| 08:37.24 | boulet101010 | fling: try installing python-gobject |
| 08:37.49 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: sudo mount |
| 08:38.14 | fling | boulet101010: right now it works, thanks |
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| 08:38.36 | ubb1693 | how can i install wterm? |
| 08:38.39 | boulet101010 | fling: hope you'll find another solution than using skype one day ;) |
| 08:39.05 | boulet101010 | this is proprietary program by microsoft so it's not very "safe" |
| 08:39.17 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: sudo mount does the work, but how about a permanent solution like if i am going to connect later |
| 08:39.22 | fling | boulet101010: I have setup debian in qemu for skype |
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| 08:39.36 | fling | boulet101010: I want to connect it with my bitlbee |
| 08:39.41 | boulet101010 | nice one =) |
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| 08:39.49 | ubb1693 | apt-ganyone? |
| 08:40.03 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: do you know how to edit /etc/fstab? |
| 08:40.17 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: honestly no |
| 08:40.18 | fling | boulet101010: I also have skype and freeswitch into another qemu waiting to become connected with my asterisk |
| 08:40.28 | boulet101010 | ubb1693: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wterm ubb1693 |
| 08:40.40 | boulet101010 | !fstab |
| 08:40.41 | dpkg | somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 08:42.07 | ubb1693 | im runing sid and its supposed to be avaiable in sid as well??? |
| 08:42.20 | boulet101010 | no it isn't obviously |
| 08:42.33 | ubb1693 | are you sure |
| 08:42.40 | boulet101010 | i am |
| 08:42.53 | ubb1693 | allright thank you very much |
| 08:42.55 | boulet101010 | you was right |
| 08:42.58 | boulet101010 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wterm&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 08:43.07 | ubb1693 | i dont have a browser..... |
| 08:43.12 | boulet101010 | use w3m |
| 08:43.25 | ubb1693 | hwo am i gonna copy that |
| 08:43.41 | ubb1693 | lol |
| 08:43.43 | boulet101010 | =)) |
| 08:43.50 | boulet101010 | via irssi it's easy |
| 08:43.54 | boulet101010 | with gpm |
| 08:44.11 | ubb1693 | anyway ill just add squeze repos |
| 08:44.22 | boulet101010 | yep that's the way i would suggest you |
| 08:44.38 | boulet101010 | then apt-get -t squeeze install wterm |
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| 08:45.07 | boulet101010 | in fact, there is wterm in the sid repositories, but only for "alpha armhf avr32 hppa " architectures :/ |
| 08:45.15 | boulet101010 | so you really aren't luck |
| 08:45.50 | ubb1693 | lol |
| 08:45.51 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: did you learn something? |
| 08:46.06 | ubb1693 | whats the -t stand for? |
| 08:46.27 | boulet101010 | it specifies the distribution for the package |
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| 08:46.43 | ubb1693 | oh nice ty |
| 08:46.53 | boulet101010 | so if you have repos for squeeze and sid for example, you can specifiy from where you want to install |
| 08:46.58 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: i am trying to ... |
| 08:47.03 | boulet101010 | you acn specify the version of the program too |
| 08:47.20 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: ok so lets try it |
| 08:47.21 | ubb1693 | with = ? |
| 08:47.28 | boulet101010 | exact ubb1693 |
| 08:47.43 | boulet101010 | you can open the fstab file as a root user shadow_fox ? |
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| 08:48.26 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: yes i can open it in nano |
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| 08:48.55 | boulet101010 | nice |
| 08:49.08 | boulet101010 | so the syntax of a fstab line is : |
| 08:49.16 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: there is already /dev/sda1 present in that file |
| 08:49.36 | boulet101010 | oh well |
| 08:49.41 | boulet101010 | can you copy it there? |
| 08:50.06 | shadow_fox | yeah sure let me copy the whole thing and paste it in gist |
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| 08:50.25 | boulet101010 | if you want, you could just copy the sda1 line right here |
| 08:50.56 | shadow_fox | ohhk |
| 08:51.27 | shadow_fox | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:52.20 | boulet101010 | hum, this should work obviously |
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| 08:52.49 | shadow_fox | well i did once sudo mount |
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| 08:53.06 | boulet101010 | can you : "sudo umount /dev/sdb1; sudo mount -a; sudo mount" and check if sdb1 is in the list, if it errors paste it |
| 08:53.27 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: mount command doesn't add lines to fstab |
| 08:53.32 | boulet101010 | fstab is the default mounts |
| 08:53.37 | shadow_fox | ok |
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| 08:53.50 | boulet101010 | use don't use any wm amirite? |
| 08:54.06 | shadow_fox | let me run those commands |
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| 08:54.50 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: have to wait for couple of mins coz i am copying something from the external |
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| 08:55.47 | boulet101010 | don't worry i have as many minutes as you want ^^ |
| 08:55.51 | ubb1623 | whats the smallest graphical irc client? |
| 08:56.37 | boulet101010 | why you need graphics ubb1623 ? |
| 08:56.43 | boulet101010 | graphical* |
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| 08:57.06 | ubb1623 | for lookin at funy videos at youtube |
| 08:57.27 | boulet101010 | why would you need irc to watch youtube o_O? |
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| 08:57.39 | ubb1623 | sry i hought you meant wm |
| 08:57.54 | boulet101010 | oh lol |
| 08:58.34 | boulet101010 | text-based irc clients are way more powerful so i wouldn't advice to use a graphical irc client |
| 08:58.56 | ubb1623 | irssi and wechat seems big |
| 08:59.14 | boulet101010 | by size or by configuration options? |
| 08:59.19 | ubb1623 | size |
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| 09:00.20 | ubb1623 | well i dont know how to scroll up with irssi |
| 09:00.21 | boulet101010 | 3M isn't so big |
| 09:00.31 | boulet101010 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.55 | boulet101010 | but i'm not a irssi power user at all, more of a learner |
| 09:01.46 | boulet101010 | then : |
| 09:01.52 | boulet101010 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients |
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| 09:02.16 | ubb1623 | now i got wterm i can copy lol |
| 09:02.41 | boulet101010 | xD |
| 09:02.48 | boulet101010 | why you use wterm? |
| 09:03.08 | boulet101010 | xterm is a good program though |
| 09:03.22 | ubb1623 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relawell im new to linux so idk :D |
| 09:03.46 | boulet101010 | ok, you began the hard way that's nice =) |
| 09:04.05 | boulet101010 | if you need advices just ask/pm |
| 09:04.11 | ubb1623 | hard way would be slackware i think or gentoo |
| 09:04.56 | ubb1623 | when i learn apt thing will get better |
| 09:05.02 | ubb1623 | s |
| 09:05.07 | boulet101010 | nop slackware comes with a lot of pre-installed packages so it's more or less a user-friendly distro (if you're not looking for the recent versions of programs) |
| 09:05.46 | boulet101010 | of course gentoo means compiling, but this makes it more a time-consuming distro |
| 09:06.20 | boulet101010 | you got a wonderful program named aptitude that will help you manage packages |
| 09:06.28 | ubb1623 | i removed that |
| 09:06.31 | boulet101010 | it's way more easier than apt-get |
| 09:06.38 | boulet101010 | seriously? |
| 09:06.46 | ubb1623 | yeah i coudnt figure out how to use it |
| 09:06.56 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: this is my sudo mount results https://gist.github.com/4054577 |
| 09:08.05 | ubb1623 | i should have used it from cli, i just typed aptitude thats why it seemed messy i guess |
| 09:08.08 | boulet101010 | ewwww seems the ntfs hasn't been mounter shadow_fox |
| 09:08.25 | boulet101010 | when typing mount -a you haven't got any errors? |
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| 09:08.44 | shadow_fox | mount -a gives me nothing |
| 09:08.53 | boulet101010 | can you paste the fstab? |
| 09:08.58 | shadow_fox | yeah sure |
| 09:09.11 | boulet101010 | aptitude is run in cli |
| 09:09.27 | boulet101010 | but it's not messy at all i think |
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| 09:09.35 | boulet101010 | it's a list of the packages that's all |
| 09:10.11 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: https://gist.github.com/4054577same gist check it out i have made changes you can find that easily |
| 09:10.16 | shadow_fox | https://gist.github.com/4054577 |
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| 09:10.19 | boulet101010 | you search for a package with "/" you tell to install with "+" |
| 09:10.50 | ubb1623 | well i didnt know that i scrolled uo and down endlessly..[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D |
| 09:11.14 | boulet101010 | are you sure that the ntfs device is registered as sdb1? |
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| 09:11.37 | shadow_fox | i am not sure, newbie in filesystems and admin |
| 09:12.17 | boulet101010 | ok so "sudo fdisk -l" in gist! |
| 09:12.36 | boulet101010 | (and if you need any explanation about what i'm saying to do just ask) |
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| 09:14.23 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: https://gist.github.com/4142905 |
| 09:15.02 | boulet101010 | ok so you can see that it's on /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:15.06 | boulet101010 | (last line) |
| 09:15.11 | shadow_fox | yes |
| 09:15.16 | boulet101010 | so it must be a problem from fstab line |
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| 09:16.14 | shadow_fox | in the fstab file its showing that read write permission that to user |
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| 09:17.12 | boulet101010 | yes that's not the matter |
| 09:17.42 | boulet101010 | try to replace auto (first one on the line) by ntfs, sudo mount -a, then check if mounted in /media/usb with mount |
| 09:18.59 | shadow_fox | in the fstab file for dev/sdb1/ ? |
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| 09:20.02 | boulet101010 | true |
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| 09:20.15 | boulet101010 | where the filesystem should be |
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| 09:21.42 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs this should be interesting too, because fstab only mounts at start |
| 09:22.22 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: if i do sudo mount /media/usb0/ it mounts and shows me the external hdd |
| 09:23.21 | boulet101010 | after modifying the fstab? |
| 09:23.27 | shadow_fox | yes |
| 09:23.41 | shadow_fox | lemme disconnect and connect again see if that helped or not |
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| 09:23.48 | boulet101010 | no wait |
| 09:23.56 | boulet101010 | because fstab only mounts at start |
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| 09:24.03 | boulet101010 | umount /dev/sdb1 then mount -a |
| 09:24.17 | boulet101010 | to see if it works |
| 09:24.46 | boulet101010 | then you may want to set up autofs so you don't have to mount -a each time you plug it |
| 09:24.51 | shadow_fox | without sudo it says only root can unmount /dev/sdb1 from /media/usb0 |
| 09:25.17 | boulet101010 | yeh of course |
| 09:25.22 | shadow_fox | sudo mount -a |
| 09:25.39 | shadow_fox | nopes |
| 09:25.47 | shadow_fox | mount -a doesn't work |
| 09:25.54 | boulet101010 | o_O |
| 09:26.08 | boulet101010 | just do sudo mount -a |
| 09:26.21 | boulet101010 | consider using sudo each time you use mount except with no arguments |
| 09:26.40 | shadow_fox | yes, sudo mount -a doesnt work |
| 09:26.47 | boulet101010 | ach |
| 09:26.52 | boulet101010 | this really sucks |
| 09:26.57 | shadow_fox | same error as i was getting earlier |
| 09:27.01 | boulet101010 | oh ok |
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| 09:27.23 | shadow_fox | should i follow the autofs and install it so that i dont have to worry about it |
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| 09:27.36 | cardio76 | ciao |
| 09:27.41 | cardio76 | !list |
| 09:27.42 | dpkg | cardio76: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 09:27.56 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: wait |
| 09:28.10 | boulet101010 | i wouldn't install autofs without a working fstab |
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| 09:29.42 | shadow_fox | ok |
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| 09:29.56 | boulet101010 | hum |
| 09:30.06 | boulet101010 | it seems to be the easier way though |
| 09:30.16 | boulet101010 | just remove the fstab line and follow the autofs |
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| 09:30.37 | shadow_fox | you mean to replace the original file |
| 09:30.51 | boulet101010 | no just remove the /dev/sdb1 line |
| 09:31.00 | boulet101010 | we will set it up via autofs |
| 09:31.06 | shadow_fox | ohh ok |
| 09:31.17 | shadow_fox | it wouldnt hamper anything right?? |
| 09:31.33 | shadow_fox | cause it was there when i opened it |
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| 09:32.05 | boulet101010 | uh? |
| 09:32.12 | boulet101010 | "it was there when i opened it?" |
| 09:32.20 | boulet101010 | you mean the device is mounted |
| 09:32.30 | shadow_fox | no no |
| 09:32.55 | shadow_fox | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0this line was there but the device isnt mounted |
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| 09:33.18 | boulet101010 | yes |
| 09:33.31 | boulet101010 | but this line doesn't work for ntfs so you can remove it |
| 09:33.39 | shadow_fox | ohh ok |
| 09:33.52 | boulet101010 | but |
| 09:34.22 | boulet101010 | if you want you can still use the simple mount command when plugging the hard drive and umount before unplugging it, but that's not so user-friendly |
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| 09:34.50 | shadow_fox | yeah i need auto mount , dont want to use the mount option each time i insert something in my usb port |
| 09:34.52 | shadow_fox | :( |
| 09:34.57 | pupuserafaccd | but safer |
| 09:35.44 | boulet101010 | pupuserafaccd: in which way auto-fs isn't safe? i never used it |
| 09:36.43 | pupuserafaccd | a faulty distro with auto mout may damage your partitions |
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| 09:38.18 | shadow_fox | but mine is not a faulty distro |
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| 09:38.49 | pupuserafaccd | you never know it |
| 09:39.08 | pupuserafaccd | you are stabding on a dice |
| 09:39.10 | shadow_fox | hmm |
| 09:39.12 | pupuserafaccd | standing |
| 09:39.27 | shadow_fox | according to you what should i do to get the thing done |
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| 09:40.23 | pupuserafaccd | i boot puppy off my ufd then remove it from the usb socket -- no permanent storage at all except the ram |
| 09:40.43 | pupuserafaccd | so i can beat any hacker in 0.1 second |
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| 09:41.02 | boulet101010 | pupuserafaccd: hehe, this is an extreme, in this case just don't connect to the internet |
| 09:41.05 | pupuserafaccd | without losing any data |
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| 09:41.36 | pupuserafaccd | press one button then hackers die |
| 09:42.07 | nsadmin | YOU WANT MAXIMUM POSSIBLE COMPUTER SECURITY? TURN COMPUTERS OFF AND LOCK THEM IN A VAULT |
| 09:42.17 | Max^ | :D |
| 09:42.17 | nsadmin | UGH, CAps |
| 09:42.21 | boulet101010 | hehe |
| 09:42.30 | boulet101010 | troll awaken |
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| 09:42.38 | pupuserafaccd | then you lose much joy to curse people |
| 09:42.39 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: just follow the autofs guide... |
| 09:42.51 | boulet101010 | or use the standard way if you want |
| 09:43.11 | shadow_fox | aye boulet101010 : funny thing is that i inserted another external hdd and it mounted :) |
| 09:43.19 | nsadmin | I mean, right? it depends on how secure you want to be, obviously the allcaps thing is extrenme |
| 09:43.24 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: lol |
| 09:43.58 | nsadmin | and... my keyboard and the R series of gtypist ROCKS! |
| 09:44.50 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: automatically? |
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| 09:45.31 | shadow_fox | bolet101010: yeah |
| 09:45.47 | shadow_fox | and i did change the fstab line to the original didn't delete it |
| 09:45.49 | nsadmin | maybe it's mentioned in fstab? |
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| 09:46.07 | boulet101010 | hum |
| 09:46.12 | boulet101010 | yeah it is |
| 09:46.16 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: you can check my fstab already posted here |
| 09:46.33 | boulet101010 | the problem comes with ntfs |
| 09:46.49 | boulet101010 | type "mount" and check which fs is you other hdd? |
| 09:46.54 | boulet101010 | (should be vfat) |
| 09:47.01 | nsadmin | no need... you probably know what's up... or, are you asking that question? |
| 09:48.08 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: dev/sdb1 on /media/Seagate Expansion Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions) |
| 09:48.29 | shadow_fox | i want to know what causes the problem that i couldnt get it right the first time |
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| 09:48.49 | nsadmin | that sounds forensic |
| 09:48.54 | shadow_fox | heheh |
| 09:49.18 | nsadmin | how can we diagnose a problem that no longer exxists |
| 09:50.12 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: it was occuring a while ago.. now its not |
| 09:50.15 | shadow_fox | something fishy |
| 09:50.16 | nsadmin | if you have altered some config files and you have a diff, maybe then it's more possible |
| 09:50.17 | shadow_fox | :P |
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| 09:50.31 | nsadmin | I'd guess salmon |
| 09:50.40 | shadow_fox | i altered the fstab then restored to the previous state |
| 09:50.43 | shadow_fox | nothing else |
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| 09:50.57 | shadow_fox | yeah right salmon |
| 09:50.59 | shadow_fox | :P |
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| 09:51.01 | nsadmin | so really in total there is no change? |
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| 09:51.33 | shadow_fox | i guess so |
| 09:51.51 | shadow_fox | just mounted a couple of times so that i can see the device |
| 09:53.16 | nsadmin | when you say mounted there, do you mean attach physically/electrically? |
| 09:53.24 | boulet101010 | no |
| 09:53.30 | boulet101010 | he mounted it with mount |
| 09:53.39 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:53.46 | boulet101010 | the mount command works but the auto fstab line doesn't |
| 09:53.50 | nsadmin | maybe the kernel remembered it |
| 09:54.34 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: my final advice would be not using ntfs :p |
| 09:55.24 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: the hdd came with ntfs what can i do to tamper that |
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| 09:57.37 | nsadmin | shadow_fox, do you want to erase the hd and format it with something more linux-like? |
| 09:57.49 | nsadmin | (that would be another extrememaction) |
| 09:58.35 | boulet101010 | extreme but judicious |
| 09:58.37 | shadow_fox | nsadmin: that i dont want . i want to use the hdd how it is |
| 09:59.35 | nsadmin | ok, then... |
| 09:59.43 | boulet101010 | what i can't understand is why the "auto" fs select ntfs-3g |
| 09:59.55 | nsadmin | if you could "tamper", what would you want the result to be? |
| 10:00.32 | nsadmin | ntfs and vfat are very different and detectably so |
| 10:01.06 | nsadmin | so, auto would pick one or the other depending on what it finds |
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| 10:03.13 | boulet101010 | yes but as you can see nsadmin : https://gist.github.com/4054577 |
| 10:03.23 | boulet101010 | the partition isn't eevn detected |
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| 10:04.47 | biandoumenmian | i am trying to configure my microphone on wheezy, does anyone know how can i check it? |
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| 10:05.40 | danielig | hello debianistas |
| 10:06.06 | danielig | i came back to debian from long time ubuntu |
| 10:06.09 | nsadmin | oh yeah, fashion world here |
| 10:06.45 | nsadmin | are you getting what you want from it? |
| 10:07.03 | danielig | you mean from debian? |
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| 10:07.20 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 10:07.58 | nsadmin | biandoumenmian, look at what's available in alsamixer |
| 10:07.59 | danielig | I need to setup my wifi, Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
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| 10:08.36 | danielig | I have enabled the non-free sources in wheezy, now I see that jessy will be wheezy... ;-) |
| 10:09.12 | danielig | I wanted debian testing on my acer aspire 1410. |
| 10:09.57 | nsadmin | no, jessy will be jessy and wheezy will be wheezy |
| 10:10.15 | nsadmin | presently wheezy is testing |
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| 10:10.24 | nsadmin | jessy probably doesn't exist yet |
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| 10:11.31 | ompaul | danielig: testing is always testing - it's target changes |
| 10:12.24 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: how is it going? |
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| 10:13.07 | danielig | what else do I need in my sources.list, apart from non-free to make stuff work? currently my sources.list is this: http://paste.debian.net/212153 |
| 10:14.01 | nsadmin | what doesn't work? |
| 10:14.02 | ompaul | danielig: contrib - btw you can write it like this deb http://mirror.1und1.de/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 10:15.32 | p_quarles | danielig: it definitely depends on what specifically you want to get working, but just in general terms, you might want this one: http://deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 10:16.44 | ompaul | danielig: don't leave the multimedia stuff enabled all the time unless you know what you are doing - and in this day and age with lame and friends you really don't need it |
| 10:16.49 | danielig | iirc when I had debian before I had "testing" instead of woody written in the sources.list (that was a long time ago) |
| 10:17.17 | ompaul | danielig: you can run testing |
| 10:17.23 | ompaul | not targeted |
| 10:17.39 | ompaul | and it is always testing which is great until release day |
| 10:17.56 | danielig | release day is havock |
| 10:17.57 | ompaul | cos then testing gets a bit ... messy for a short while as new stuff comes in |
| 10:18.12 | ompaul | no havock is havoc and they make games |
| 10:18.26 | danielig | ;-) |
| 10:18.32 | ompaul | does the wry non smiley smile |
| 10:18.49 | shadow_fox | boulet101010: setting us taking some time to read through |
| 10:19.16 | nsadmin | danielig, sure you can do that... if you want to avoid the havok, use the actual codename which testing is at the moment,,, right now, it's wheezy |
| 10:19.27 | ompaul | and so it goes |
| 10:20.02 | nsadmin | if you do that, it will become stable under your nose, you won't go thru a possibly painful and possibly surprising upgrade |
| 10:20.29 | nsadmin | and you can wait till the havok becomes a gentle breeze, and upgrade then |
| 10:20.31 | ompaul | not saying that running testing even at this point you can still get surprised |
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| 10:23.06 | danielig | okay, wheezy is recent enough for now anyway. |
| 10:23.27 | ompaul | !sns |
| 10:23.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:24.11 | ompaul | you run testing because you want to not because of the age of the software |
| 10:24.26 | danielig | thanks a lot ompaul, I need to learn a lot |
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| 10:25.21 | danielig | yes, I also choose it because I might be able to contribute with bug reports at least... |
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| 10:29.23 | shadow_fox | quick choice:: thunderbird or icedove? |
| 10:29.37 | danielig | now I need to get this wlan working, I have installed firmware-iwlwifi but no wireless shows up in my gnome-shell network-thingy |
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| 10:32.53 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: icedove |
| 10:33.04 | boulet101010 | shadow_fox: it's the same but on debian |
| 10:36.04 | boulet101010 | #ubuntu is horrible... |
| 10:37.53 | ompaul | why did ubuntu even get a mention |
| 10:38.00 | ompaul | actually ignore that question |
| 10:38.08 | boulet101010 | xD |
| 10:38.20 | boulet101010 | don't worry |
| 10:38.27 | boulet101010 | i'll try to ignore ubuntu as long as possible |
| 10:38.36 | boulet101010 | just wanted to "take a taste" |
| 10:38.48 | bazhang | ? |
| 10:39.08 | bazhang | asking for debian support in #ubuntu will do that |
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| 10:39.24 | boulet101010 | no i asked ubuntu support about a debian package |
| 10:39.37 | bazhang | you're running debian |
| 10:39.39 | boulet101010 | that is included in ubuntu |
| 10:39.46 | boulet101010 | yep but i have an ubuntu chroot |
| 10:39.59 | boulet101010 | and wanted to test if multiarch was nicely supported |
| 10:40.04 | bazhang | yeah, thats not supported |
| 10:40.10 | boulet101010 | in fact noone was able to say me "dpkg --add-architecture i386" |
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| 10:41.56 | boulet101010 | dunno if any of you tested that but valve's steam package needs a "python 2.7" package to work, steam is i386, and python2.7 isn't in debian sid i386. so funny. |
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| 10:44.47 | xingu | boudiccas: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python2.7 ? |
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| 10:45.21 | xingu | boulet101010: ... http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python2.7 ? |
| 10:45.35 | xingu | (yay autocomplete fail) |
| 10:46.09 | cardamon | I'm trying to rsync something I don't have write permissions on without elevating, and I have root logins from ssh disabled. Is there a way around this? |
| 10:46.26 | boulet101010 | ewww strange i must have missed something |
| 10:46.33 | cardamon | basically, just reading files from /usr/share on my remote. |
| 10:46.48 | cardamon | And using rsync to copy to my laptop. |
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| 10:47.24 | ubb1623 | gq |
| 10:47.25 | ubb1623 | [A[A |
| 10:47.30 | boulet101010 | gonna try this on sid32 chroot |
| 10:47.32 | cardamon | Example: rsync -avz -e "ssh -p 10099" mute@10.0.0.19:/usr/share/vim/vim73/colors/mustang.vim /usr/share/vim/vim73/colors/mustang.vim |
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| 10:48.44 | VolodymyrB | Hi, I have a problem with apt-get(dpkg?). "sudo apt-get -f install" says "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies" of package "nvidia-current:i386", how to fix this, removing "nvidia-current:i386"? |
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| 10:51.28 | cardamon | Oh, I'm dumb. |
| 10:51.39 | cardamon | The permission issue is on the local side, not the remote. |
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| 10:52.16 | boudiccas | xingu: ? you called? :) |
| 10:52.36 | boulet101010 | he failed autocomplete boudiccas |
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| 10:56.08 | maxmc | Hi, I can't ping anything anymore. For instance ping google.com returns "unknown host". I googled and some posts pointed to /etc/resolv.conf which seems to be empty. As far as I understand the problem is with dns, beause I can ping ip addresses. Can anyone give a hint what I can do to fix the problem? Thanks |
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| 10:57.04 | boulet101010 | you have dhcp server? |
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| 10:57.13 | maxmc | it's a root server |
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| 10:57.43 | boulet101010 | try adding nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:57.52 | boulet101010 | to /Etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:58.03 | maxmc | thanks! I will try and let u know |
| 10:58.31 | maxmc | works :) thank you! |
| 10:58.41 | boulet101010 | noprob |
| 10:58.47 | boulet101010 | just update you dns's again |
| 10:58.56 | boulet101010 | with your fai's ones |
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| 11:03.08 | cardamon | Not getting my vim colorscheme in konsole, but am getting it in gvim. Is there an environmental variable I have to set or something? |
| 11:04.02 | boulet101010 | use xterm |
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| 11:06.15 | cardamon | boulet101010: If you can't contribute, don't. |
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| 11:06.48 | cardamon | Besides, urxvt is better. |
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| 11:08.20 | boulet101010 | i use urxvt on urxvtd |
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| 11:09.25 | cardamon | urxvtd is just a daemon. It's the same thing. |
| 11:09.38 | boulet101010 | yes that's right |
| 11:10.31 | cardamon | Got it. $TERM needed to be set. You've all been slightly less useless than boulet101010, but only because you didn't say anything. |
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| 11:14.04 | esing1 | hi |
| 11:15.00 | esing1 | I accidently used: sudo chrown -R nick2 /tmp on my tmp folder. |
| 11:15.19 | esing1 | Is there away I can repair my mistake. Maybe I just do: sudo chrown -R root /tmp ? |
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| 11:16.53 | esing1 | (I did that because I wanted to create a ftp user who has access on /tmp) |
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| 11:17.22 | boulet101010 | umount /tmpt |
| 11:17.23 | superlinux-hp | hi. please lead me to a converter other than pdftohtml. this tool does not satisfy me. |
| 11:17.36 | boulet101010 | esing1: umount /tmp; rm -r /tmp; mount -a |
| 11:17.39 | invariant | aptitude search '?name(a2ps)' also returns a2ps:i386. How do I do exact searches? |
| 11:17.43 | jalalsfs | esing1, It's okay just do that |
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| 11:17.56 | jalalsfs | chmod -R 777 /tmp |
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| 11:18.17 | blink | -?redef2t |
| 11:18.17 | cardamon | hmm, most as a pager isn't using colors. |
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| 11:18.45 | esing1 | Um, should I proceed as boulet101010 suggested or as you jalalsfs :) |
| 11:19.50 | cyysky | i am using debian 6.0.6, apt-get install checkinstall E: unable to locate package checkinstall. help? |
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| 11:20.26 | invariant | Even aptitude search '?name(^a2ps$)' returns a2ps:i386. |
| 11:20.33 | esing1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.34 | esing1 | drwxrwxrwx 10 rtor2 root 56K Nov 25 12:20 tmp |
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| 11:24.05 | esing1 | I did chmod -R 777 /tmp and then I restarted lighttpd and seems to cause no errors for my clients anymore |
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| 11:24.48 | cardamon | invariant: Do you know you're running multiarch? Or what it is? |
| 11:24.49 | esing1 | Next time I be more careful with chrown, thanks for help |
| 11:26.16 | invariant | cardamon, yes, I know I am running multiarch. |
| 11:26.29 | cardamon | invariant: the :i386 just means that's the arch for it in multiarch. You either don't have any other archs added, or it doesn't exist in any other archs. |
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| 11:27.30 | peterrooney | esing1: many programs expect what they write in /tmp to NOT be readable by others. Without a full clearout of /tmp (i.e. a reboot), I'd say you have a serious security hole waiting to be exploited |
| 11:27.51 | invariant | cardamon, your statement doesn't match reality. |
| 11:28.17 | invariant | cardamon, because it returns both a2ps and a2ps:i386 |
| 11:30.05 | peterrooney | !tmp |
| 11:30.05 | dpkg | /tmp is a filesystem location, required by the <FHS> to be made available for programs requiring temporary files. Make sure its modes are 1777, otherwise you'll have problems down the track. Are you running out of space on /tmp? Use the TMPDIR environment variable (e.g. in ~/.bashrc) to specify an alternate directory with available disk space. See also <tmp noexec>. |
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| 11:31.38 | peterrooney | esing1: so, even a reboot shall not fix everything. |
| 11:31.39 | cardamon | invariant: One is your native arch, probably amd64. |
| 11:31.53 | invariant | cardamon, please tell me something I don't know. |
| 11:32.24 | cardamon | Apparently the fact that I can't see your screen nor inside your mind. |
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| 11:33.03 | cardamon | Have a good night and learn to grep, jerk. |
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| 11:33.20 | esing1 | peterrooney What about doing it as suggested by boulet101010 umount /tmp; rm -r /tmp; mount -a ; Deleting the whole tmp and forcing the programs to create their files new should fix the attribute issues wouldnt it? |
| 11:33.31 | invariant | cardamon, I gave an exact command with expected output. If you cannot comprehend that, why should I take irrelevant comments of you seriously? |
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| 11:35.51 | danielig | aah, okay for configuring the wifi, it helps to read this: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi/#Wheezy |
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| 11:36.25 | danielig | at the end I just needed to refresh gnome-shell with ALT-F2 r |
| 11:36.34 | xingu | invariant: try adding --arch-only to all that? |
| 11:36.37 | invariant | I solved the problem already. |
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| 11:36.43 | danielig | thanks for not saying anything <:-<) |
| 11:36.50 | invariant | xingu, that wouldn't solve the problem. |
| 11:37.01 | invariant | xingu, because it might be that the package only exists on one arch. |
| 11:37.16 | invariant | xingu, thanks for trying, though. |
| 11:37.18 | danielig | cardamom, would you mind not being impolite? |
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| 11:38.30 | peterrooney | esing1: that does not fix the stickybit issue. you still have to "chmod 1777 /tmp" so that users can't step on other user's files |
| 11:38.34 | xingu | invariant: what output do you want? just the bare name of the package? how would you like to handle that case (where the only result is a foreign arch) |
| 11:39.30 | invariant | xingu, if I search for foo:i386, it should return foo:i386, if I search for foo, it should return foo if amd64 arch exists. |
| 11:40.15 | nsadmin | wow :) you held that grudge for like 5 mins! and all of that time you didn't notice he was gone! |
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| 11:42.27 | invariant | In general, aptitude appears to be an adhoc and buggy program with an unclear specification. |
| 11:42.58 | invariant | It's not even really being maintained anymore, AFAIK. |
| 11:43.18 | nsadmin | I've heard someone say that before |
| 11:43.38 | nsadmin | like less than a week ago... and it's just untrue |
| 11:44.21 | ompaul | nsadmin: it is only true if you refuse to accept reality |
| 11:44.21 | nsadmin | let's see what's up with that on a coarse basis... |
| 11:44.59 | xingu | invariant: ?architecture(i386) is probably what you need |
| 11:45.09 | nsadmin | ompaul, oh? not maintained? |
| 11:45.35 | ompaul | nsadmin: refusal to bend like a blade of grass is something like being straw and thinking you won't snap in the wind ;-) |
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| 11:45.53 | invariant | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=aptitude;dist=unstable |
| 11:46.30 | danielig | \me holds no grudges |
| 11:46.46 | ompaul | invariant: and the complaint you make is ... |
| 11:46.47 | invariant | If >150 bugs matches your notion of being maintained, then let's say we have a different idea of what the word means. |
| 11:47.06 | danielig | doesn't know to use irc anymoe |
| 11:47.08 | ompaul | invariant: try getting the bug tree out of a proprietary company |
| 11:48.10 | ompaul | invariant: when you look at pabs bug from Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:08:20 +0900 there is a request to close it - it no longer is applicable so eh ... |
| 11:48.46 | ompaul | invariant: do some clean up, provide a specific report that matches your complaint and you can work out the rest |
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| 11:49.39 | wols_ | I'm looking for a way to sensibly edit my ~/.ssh/known_hosts It needs to show me the host for each line, allowing me to delete old rubbish which points to dynamic IPs. does such a program exist? |
| 11:50.01 | ompaul | wols_: you have to know the dynamic ips |
| 11:50.22 | ompaul | wols_: the closest is where dns exists and you know stuff is broken |
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| 11:50.37 | ompaul | ssh-keygen -R foo |
| 11:50.57 | wols_ | I don't know about DNS exists. I need something which shows me what's in the file |
| 11:51.13 | wols_ | and how the heck would I know dynamic IPs |
| 11:51.13 | ompaul | and foo can be a machine name or ip address |
| 11:51.40 | ompaul | wols_: then you clean out everything and start again with the stuff that you need for vpns etc |
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| 11:52.01 | wols_ | that's no use cause sooner or later those dyn IPs get in again: I will have to connect to them in the future |
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| 11:53.00 | xingu | wols_: if you add the statics to the global known_hosts file they won't get learnt by the user's |
| 11:53.08 | xingu | wols_: ugly, but might work for you. |
| 11:53.25 | nsadmin | maybe it's the bug reports themselves which are not maintained |
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| 11:54.46 | ompaul | the fact that #103416 is still alive having being posted in 2001 shows that nsadmin is more right |
| 11:55.10 | xingu | wols_: in fact getting a little uglier again, you could set -o GlobalKnownHostsFile and abuse that property to have a static and dynamic pair of files. |
| 11:55.49 | xingu | wols_: note, "one or more files [...] separated by whitespace" |
| 11:55.54 | nsadmin | who is in ADT? |
| 11:56.37 | ompaul | nsadmin: ADT? |
| 11:56.43 | wols_ | xingu: so global one for statics and the user's for the dynamic ones? |
| 11:56.57 | nsadmin | looking at #369231 (ompaul, aptitude maintainer of record) |
| 11:56.58 | peterrooney | wols_: known_hosts normally contains a hash of the hostname or host IP address |
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| 11:57.10 | xingu | wols_: yep exactly; in fact two statics (system, per user static) and one dynamic (per user dynamic) |
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| 11:58.10 | ompaul | nsadmin: it's a bit old |
| 11:58.36 | nsadmin | it's from 2006, and was "found" in aptitude-0.4.1 ("is memory hog" is very unhelpful to maints who would have also wanted to see this fixed |
| 11:58.37 | ompaul | however I guess pinging the mailing list to kill stuff that is older than 2010 might be useful |
| 11:59.19 | nsadmin | is there a pg database of the bugs? |
| 11:59.27 | wols_ | so it's a hash only which is why one can't display hostnames/ip. makes sense. is there some docs where each field in the file is explained what it is and how it's generated? |
| 11:59.44 | nsadmin | that anon or something can query read-only? |
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| 12:00.09 | peterrooney | wols_: man 8 sshd gives details on the format |
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| 12:00.56 | ompaul | nsadmin: crude as what's it http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ else going though packages |
| 12:00.56 | xingu | wols_: not afaik, and the hash syntax is a new evolution (I gather your site policy defaults to HashKey on if it's doing that) |
| 12:01.11 | xingu | err HashKnownHosts yes rather |
| 12:01.21 | nsadmin | there's no way of determining wheter such a report can be considered fixed... "was a memory hog" "is now a memory shetland pony"? |
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| 12:01.58 | ompaul | nsadmin: concur |
| 12:02.00 | ompaul | wonders |
| 12:02.07 | wols_ | xingu: I'm just a simple debian user and never messed with it apart from apt-get. and ssh was installed in the time of woody or so |
| 12:02.25 | ompaul | http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi |
| 12:02.36 | xingu | wols_: simple, hah. ;) |
| 12:02.39 | invariant | nsadmin, you need someone who understands the program in detail to make that assessment. |
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| 12:03.01 | invariant | nsadmin, if it uses more than 10 times the memory it really needs, something is really wrong. |
| 12:03.13 | nsadmin | the original poster of that bug, it could be guessed he did not |
| 12:03.38 | nsadmin | how can you tell how much it needs |
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| 12:03.50 | invariant | nsadmin, the various apt/aptitude programs are very slow tools, however. |
| 12:03.54 | xingu | nsadmin: just close bug reports open for >14d with no update with WONTFIX, there's no utility in bug reports nobody cares about. :) |
| 12:04.21 | nsadmin | and, does it need exactly that much for each run? (understanding folks will find this question ridiculous) |
| 12:04.32 | invariant | nsadmin, if the package database would just be a binary file which could be mapped to memory directly, it would load about 50 times faster. |
| 12:04.52 | nsadmin | there's something to be said for that... |
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| 12:05.00 | invariant | nsadmin, also, given the small size of the package database, it could be loaded into memory all the time. |
| 12:05.08 | invariant | nsadmin, certainly on 8GB+ systems. |
| 12:05.33 | ompaul | invariant: get a faster machine |
| 12:05.35 | nsadmin | the original folks thought that it was better to use text files so you can always fix it |
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| 12:05.45 | invariant | ompaul, it's already on SSD... |
| 12:05.52 | wols_ | peterrooney: thanks. damn manpage doesn't tell me how it's hashed tho :( |
| 12:05.55 | ompaul | no wonder it's slow -to write |
| 12:06.09 | invariant | ompaul, it's crazy fast ... |
| 12:06.24 | nsadmin | anyway, that's only one of the many reports filed |
| 12:06.25 | invariant | ompaul, I did various random and sequential writes. |
| 12:06.43 | invariant | ompaul, also, badly designed software shouldn't be an excuse for new hardware. |
| 12:07.08 | invariant | The reason it is slow, is because it has been designed entirely wrong. |
| 12:07.29 | ompaul | well feel free to redesign, add to, and offer to the community |
| 12:07.33 | invariant | Or perhaps optimized such that people can look at the data by hand. |
| 12:07.36 | peterrooney | it's not badly designed. it's an explicit choice. Go read "The Practice of Programming". |
| 12:07.51 | invariant | peterrooney, it was a choice to make it slow? |
| 12:08.32 | invariant | peterrooney, you can always write tools like catpackagedb to do the equivalent of cat packagedb. |
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| 12:09.17 | invariant | Imagine the costs on a global scale for a slow program. |
| 12:09.39 | xingu | invariant: given that the bulk of the variant part of packages is text strings, why would storing those as C-strings in a binary blob be any more efficient than storing them as nl-strings in a "text" file? |
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| 12:10.13 | invariant | xingu, I would prefer to keep it in memory myself. |
| 12:10.54 | xingu | invariant: there's nothing that prohibits memory mapping a "text" file. |
| 12:10.57 | invariant | xingu, also, compression would help. |
| 12:11.03 | xingu | aah, I thought you might say that |
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| 12:11.14 | xingu | that's the delusion that memory is expensive and cpu cycles cheap again. |
| 12:11.17 | ompaul | invariant: so you can waste time uncompressing? |
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| 12:11.47 | blink | lidt |
| 12:11.59 | wols_ | xingu: I/O is expensive tho while cpu cycles are cheap |
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| 12:12.23 | nsadmin | blink, you wouldn't be from .it would you? |
| 12:12.24 | xingu | wols_: not on invariant's system, evidently ;) |
| 12:12.27 | xingu | what might help would be breaking packages apart into content addressed, single-file-per-package git trees. |
| 12:12.39 | xingu | that might be a rational choice. |
| 12:12.53 | ompaul | well what I'm wondering is why in a system that is actually a production system you'd want to keep things in ram |
| 12:13.08 | nsadmin | why would you need git on single files? :) |
| 12:13.31 | xingu | or to put it more simply, the problem is topology, not datatypes. |
| 12:13.31 | ompaul | nsadmin: c c changes ... |
| 12:13.39 | invariant | ompaul, for a work station, you want a different choice than for a web-server. |
| 12:13.42 | wols_ | in a current system dpkg DB isn't really a problem. only on my old athlon with 256MB or so, there is positively crawls. not sure if invariant's suggestions would help ther |
| 12:13.45 | wols_ | e |
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| 12:14.28 | ompaul | dpkg irc as root |
| 12:14.29 | dpkg | (from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!" |
| 12:15.47 | peterrooney | I am not a bastard. |
| 12:16.01 | nsadmin | and as much wisdom as moving to the beach during a tsunami warning |
| 12:16.08 | Max^ | :D |
| 12:16.19 | ompaul | peterrooney: you are not a god ... I better stop before I turn into dawkins |
| 12:16.26 | cyysky | finally added the deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main soft my problem in Debian 6.0.6 |
| 12:16.32 | peterrooney | Didn't dpkg autokick root joiners? |
| 12:16.34 | xingu | peterrooney: it's a wise man who knows his own father. :) |
| 12:16.48 | ompaul | maybe once |
| 12:16.56 | nsadmin | or "living on the financial beach" (holding fiat currency as if you actually trusted it) in this economic tsunami |
| 12:18.36 | ompaul | BELWOLF: note the irc as root comment it is directed at you |
| 12:18.50 | nsadmin | I think root ircers are +q |
| 12:19.12 | ompaul | no matter it's please go away fix the problem and come back ;-) |
| 12:19.26 | ompaul | nsadmin: no doubt the question is - how to add more users on a root only system |
| 12:19.32 | Max^ | hmm... /set user_name root :D |
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| 12:20.29 | ompaul | Max^: maybe not |
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| 12:21.11 | KoRn3 | most windows users probably use mirc as a local admin, dont really see the distinction |
| 12:22.26 | nsadmin | the reason for "slowing down" root users is the possibility some hack could take advantage |
| 12:22.36 | Max^ | i dont use anything on windows as admin |
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| 12:23.35 | KoRn3 | ok |
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| 12:25.30 | Armand | Windows is divvy enough that being a standard user just obstructs me. ¬_¬ |
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| 12:34.52 | nsadmin | BEWOLF, if you cannot speak in the channel, the reason is probably you being logged in as root |
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| 12:44.00 | marc_smith | where can I find detailed history of Debian kernel packages? I need to know which kernel was there before the current one in Wheezy |
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| 13:24.57 | Walex2 | drhouse123: depends on where you want to limit bandwidth, but it may be quite difficult |
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| 13:31.59 | martin3z | i got dist-upgrade after stable and testing in sources.list, can i remove stable entries now fors sources.list? only testing will stay, correct or fail? |
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| 13:33.19 | boudiccas | martin3z: change 'testing' to wheezy , else you'll be tracking testing after wheezy is released as stable, not a good idea |
| 13:33.57 | martin3z | ok, so i stay with wheezy etries only.... |
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| 13:34.06 | martin3z | should i remove squeeze then? |
| 13:34.30 | boudiccas | martin3z: you could just comment them out, and dont forget to 'update' afterwrads too |
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| 13:35.10 | martin3z | ok,and how purge package buffer in apt? (my goes slowly) |
| 13:35.44 | boudiccas | martin3z: i dont think its necessary, an apt-get update should do it |
| 13:35.55 | martin3z | ok, thx i try now |
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| 13:36.21 | abrotman | go slowly? |
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| 13:37.29 | martin3z | yea, long list of repos, and it says package retrieving or somtehing like that |
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| 13:37.44 | abrotman | martin3z: how many sources do you have? |
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| 13:38.36 | martin3z | i have qheezy, squeeze, multimedia for both, gnash, opera, mozilla, nad 8 repos from local cd |
| 13:39.04 | martin3z | and some backports also |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | jeez ... |
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| 13:39.36 | martin3z | yes, so im removing it to make clean |
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| 13:39.48 | abrotman | that will go so well </sarcasm> |
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| 13:42.46 | jordisayol | hello. what is the right place to save a deb install info, needed when removed/update? |
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| 13:46.25 | abrotman | jordisayol: it should do it for you if done correctly |
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| 13:48.57 | Tam[1]Manyak | noluyo |
| 13:49.20 | Tam[1]Manyak | yarýnýzýn anasýný yarýnýzýn babasýný sýkým :D |
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| 13:49.28 | miCrop | :D |
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| 13:50.02 | jordisayol | abrotman: the idea is to create a user/group, if do not exist, to lowering privileges if running the app as root. I want ro remove this user/group ONLY if they were created during installation |
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| 13:50.46 | abrotman | jordisayol: generally you don't do that .. you leave the user in case something else is using it |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | jordisayol: because even if you created it during installation, something may have been installed since that now uses it |
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| 13:53.16 | jordisayol | abrotman: the user/group created for the http://vibed.org/ project is "www-vibe". it is created as a system user, so, if someone uses this user farther than vibe, I think it deserves the hell |
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| 13:53.55 | abrotman | jordisayol: that's not very nice |
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| 13:54.13 | jordisayol | abrotman: what's not nice? |
| 13:54.21 | abrotman | removing a user possibly in use |
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| 13:55.11 | abrotman | !tell jordisayol about mentors |
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| 13:55.30 | jordisayol | abrotman: is better to leave useless user/groups? looks like windows style |
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| 13:55.52 | abrotman | jordisayol: you probably already have plenty of users not being used on your box |
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| 13:56.05 | abrotman | jordisayol: see what the bot told you |
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| 14:04.15 | jordisayol | abrotman: so the right behavior is to leave this user/group? If I don't misremembering, apache deb package removes it's user always, regardless if it was created during the installation. I dislike this a lot, but I don't want to leave this user/group on the system if the package created it during installation. |
| 14:04.46 | abrotman | jordisayol: i can't imagine it does .. it's easy to check the postrm though |
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| 14:06.32 | jordisayol | abrotman: I'm quite sure that a deb package does this, because of postrm. I'm not sure if it's apacke package |
| 14:07.01 | abrotman | jordisayol: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:07.27 | jordisayol | abrotman: ok, many thanks! |
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| 14:10.00 | cobaia | :) |
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| 14:11.31 | file-exists-p | hi. any way of having mount automatically calling cryptdisks_start ? |
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| 14:14.02 | danielig | hi again, i somehow forgot to install grub in the mbr I think, well, when I start the laptop without the live-usb stick it just shows a blinking dash. no boot... when I plug in the live-usb it starts the bootloader and I can continue to use the machine after i remove the usbstick |
| 14:14.53 | danielig | how do I install grub in mbr without loosing my data, can I just do: grub-install /dev/sda1 from my installation, while sda1 is mounted as /? |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | /dev/sda |
| 14:16.05 | danielig | aah abrotman, thanks, this will work in the running system, right? |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | should |
| 14:16.21 | danielig | I try... |
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| 14:17.27 | danielig | I don't have to use the --root-directory option for that? |
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| 14:18.48 | danielig | aha info grub-install said the answer: |
| 14:18.49 | file-exists-p | can 'mount' automatically call 'cryptdisks_start' ? |
| 14:19.12 | danielig | /dev/sda is synonyme to /boot for grub-install |
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| 14:19.51 | abrotman | it what? |
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| 14:21.28 | danielig | I just wondered if I had to tell grub-install where to install grub. but without --root-directory it defaults to /boot |
| 14:21.46 | danielig | see you... |
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| 14:25.12 | Laban | hi |
| 14:25.28 | Laban | How can I find or set a local machine's DUID? |
| 14:25.33 | Laban | On Wheezy |
| 14:26.22 | abrotman | DUID ? |
| 14:26.31 | Laban | IPv6 client specific ID |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | the IP ? |
| 14:26.41 | abrotman | the MAC? |
| 14:26.54 | Laban | For some odd reason IPv6 DHCP does not use the MAC-address |
| 14:27.14 | Laban | It's using a new thing named DUID that the client sends. |
| 14:27.19 | husien | offline! |
| 14:27.33 | abrotman | Laban: i'd guess in the dhclient.confg |
| 14:27.35 | abrotman | -g |
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| 14:29.38 | abrotman | Laban: seems like OPTION_CLIENTID |
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| 14:30.12 | abrotman | Laban: http://ipv6friday.org/blog/2011/12/dhcpv6/ |
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| 14:38.35 | Laban | abrotman: that doesn't say where the duid is stored, only how it can be generated |
| 14:39.05 | abrotman | Laban: check the docs for the isc dhcp client |
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| 14:40.53 | Laban | I'm trying... |
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| 14:43.05 | file-exists-p | can 'mount' automatically call 'cryptdisks_start' ? |
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| 14:44.23 | Laban | Ahh... grep default-duid /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.eth0.leases |
| 14:44.27 | Laban | That's the one. |
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| 15:04.18 | file-exists-p | can 'mount' automatically call 'cryptdisks_start' ? |
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| 15:07.34 | norbert_ | hi, I have an HP printer and hp-levels shows me that the tri-color cartridge is low (empty, 0%), while the black cartridge is still Good/OK (approx. 52%) |
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| 15:08.02 | norbert_ | I'm trying to print black and white, but the job is being stopped because of the low tri-color cartridge |
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| 15:08.17 | norbert_ | is there any way to make the application/printer ignore the low tri-color cartridge? |
| 15:08.41 | abrotman | print in greyscale? |
| 15:08.54 | norbert_ | I tried settings everything to greyscale/black, but it still stops |
| 15:09.11 | abrotman | hasn't owned a printer in over 10 years |
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| 15:09.44 | norbert_ | well, it's for a study, at the examination we can bring notes, not a computer :) |
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| 15:10.24 | abrotman | hands norbert_ a pen |
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| 15:10.36 | yopyop_ | Hello, on wheezy, since last upgrade of lsb-release, codename on lsb_release -a is set to n/a. any idea how to fix it ? |
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| 15:12.17 | file-exists-p | not strange at all |
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| 15:12.30 | file-exists-p | random nicks from the same ip |
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| 15:28.24 | file-exists-p | what are jtrucks? |
| 15:28.43 | ceil | japanese transport vehicles? |
| 15:29.00 | sney | no idea |
| 15:29.11 | file-exists-p | jesse trucks has many personnalities |
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| 15:30.50 | abrotman | file-exists-p: it's a pseron |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | person |
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| 15:32.11 | boudiccas | i'm trying to set up mpd to use as $user and its run as a service freom installation, how doi i stop it and prevent it from restarting please? i've tried update-rc.d mpd disable but it fails |
| 15:33.16 | boudiccas | !mpd |
| 15:33.16 | dpkg | Music Player Daemon (mpd) is a server allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist management. Debian's mpd package has bind_to_address set to 127.0.0.1 by default, see /usr/share/doc/mpd/README.Debian. Squeeze's mpd does not use <dmix> by default (Debian bug #568588). http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ http://www.musicpd.org/ #mpd on chat.freenode.net. See also <xmms2>. |
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| 15:38.55 | rotaticus | boudiccas: service mpd stop |
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| 15:50.32 | boudiccas | doesn't work, the bugger is restarting as soon as its stopped |
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| 15:55.55 | gnarface | xinetd? |
| 15:56.15 | Justin | he was probably running the stop command as a regular user and it wasn't actually stopping it |
| 15:56.17 | Seryth | Hey. I'm trying to get my gfx tablet working with Debian Wheezy, but to no avail; if I just hotplug it, it works until I click, and after that I can't move the cursor unless there is contact between the pen/tablet, which basically means it's like holding down the LMB all the time...I've tried following this page: http://www.xpd259.co.uk/2011/04/wizardpen-graphics-tablet-and-debian.html which is a guy gett |
| 15:56.17 | Seryth | ing it working (same tablet) on debian squeeze...but it doesn't seem to work for me. Any help appreciated, thanks. |
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| 15:58.05 | bnw | Hi, guys. I'm installing debian 6.06 using the netinst image, when it can't find the Atheros AR5BWB222 wireless network adapter. How should I continue the installation? |
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| 15:59.20 | dvs | bnw: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 15:59.27 | zykotick9 | bnw: i'd recommend using a wired connection for any netinstal myself... fyi even if you can get the firmware working, you are still limited to open or WEP wireless. |
| 15:59.52 | gnarface | Seryth: you're wrong. that link explains getting it to work on debian wheezy. though the problem you're experiencing is likely a bug in the actual driver, the fact the howto is about wheezy and *not* squeeze is a big enough difference to designate your problem as "self inflicted" |
| 16:00.56 | hello | hello, i have a question: i downloaded the first install-DVD from the debian website. i installed debian, but a few important programs are missing (like most of the binutils or gcc)?!? |
| 16:00.57 | Seryth | gnarface: I'm using Wheezy... |
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| 16:01.39 | gnarface | Seryth: oh. well it says it now should work with wheezy "out of the box" which suggests to me you shouldn't have needed to do this... |
| 16:02.04 | bnw | zykotick9, the installation is going on my laptop, which is a Acer S3, and it don't have a wired network adapter. Is it impossible to install debian then? |
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| 16:02.16 | zykotick9 | hello: if you have a network connection, "apt-get install build-essential" should get you started with the basics for buildint stuff... |
| 16:02.28 | hello | ok |
| 16:02.40 | Seryth | gnarface: It certainly didn't work out of the box; I had exactly the same problem without following that tutorial as I did afterwards |
| 16:02.40 | zykotick9 | bnw: almost nothing is "impossible" but i wouldn't know ;) best of luck. |
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| 16:02.42 | gnarface | Seryth: unfortunately your best bet is to consult the developers of this driver directly if its *not* in debian anywhere yet |
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| 16:03.05 | bnw | zykotick9, thank you anyway. |
| 16:03.07 | gnarface | Seryth: and if its not, you're probably looking at the reason why its not |
| 16:03.16 | Seryth | gnarface: Damn, okay, thanks for your help! |
| 16:04.16 | gnarface | Seryth: sorry i couldn't be of any more help than that. on the plus side it sounds like a trivial problem to fix... it sounds like its just not registering the release of the pen-click or something like that |
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| 16:04.45 | gnarface | Seryth: maybe your specific model is a hardware revision they've not seen yet |
| 16:05.06 | zykotick9 | bnw: perhaps using cd1 instead of netinstall would be easier for you? fyi, netinstall without any net, can still give you a working but almost naked system. |
| 16:05.16 | Seryth | gnarface: Yeah, I agree. I wonder if there are any GUI utilities that that I can use to configure it...hrm.... |
| 16:05.33 | gnarface | Seryth: try out xev |
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| 16:06.03 | gnarface | Seryth: its just diagnostic but you can use it to see what/if signals are sending |
| 16:06.37 | hello | what do you think about ubuntu? |
| 16:06.39 | gnarface | Seryth: although it registers mouse cursor movement too so you may have to grep the output to filter since you're using a pen... i dunno if you'll be able to click without also sending a flood of movement signals |
| 16:06.48 | bnw | zykotick9, I will try that. |
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| 16:07.45 | Seryth | gnarface: I'll check it out, thanks. Just found this page too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen and it seems that I need to install xserver-xorg-input-wizardpen...will it work adding the ppa:doctormo/xorg-wizardpen on Debian, even though it's supposed to be for Ubuntu? |
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| 16:08.15 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 16:08.43 | hello | or what do you think about googles android? i think this is controversial |
| 16:08.44 | jalalsfs | Wen I have a problem with Fontconfig. |
| 16:08.56 | gnarface | Seryth: it *might* work but it will almost certainly cause unrepairable corruption to your package dependency hierarchy. in the long term the cost of distro mixing will be a full re-install. |
| 16:09.05 | hello | is there a way to install debian or another linux system on my smartphone |
| 16:09.22 | jalalsfs | Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: XML or text declaration not at start of entity |
| 16:09.38 | jalalsfs | What can I do? |
| 16:09.51 | mtn | hello: you might try using the internet to get answers to your questions. |
| 16:10.22 | hello | found nothing. |
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| 16:10.52 | Seryth | gnarface: Okay, I'll pass on it then :P |
| 16:10.56 | mtn | hello: I am sorry, but there are many sources for answers to your questions, this isn't one of them for those questions |
| 16:11.00 | gnarface | Seryth: if it works in ubuntu but not debian the problem may still be merely a difference in software versions of other things on the system (likely X itself, or the kernel) or configuration file defaults |
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| 16:12.38 | hello | no... i read that there are "linux mobiles" with preinstalled operating-systems |
| 16:12.47 | hello | but i have already a smartphone with android |
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| 16:12.56 | Seryth | gnarface: Right, I see. However, I actually had the same problem with ubuntu too... |
| 16:13.56 | gnarface | Seryth: really? and these were both fully updated systems right? how old is the copy of that wizardpen software? |
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| 16:15.05 | Seryth | gnarface: yes they were, and I've got no idea! |
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| 16:15.30 | gnarface | Seryth: what, it doesn't have a date or a version on it? |
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| 16:16.22 | Seryth | gnarface: http://www.mediafire.com/?jz05jvjsvdkk0ak I'm about to try thatone, which is 0.8.1-1 |
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| 16:16.33 | Seryth | In .deb format rather than using bzr |
| 16:16.49 | boudiccas | 2 things, in wheezy with lxde as my DE. how do i kill both gnome-keyring, and also the service mpd please? i've tried rebootingbut mpd has restarted, and i'm at my wits end with it |
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| 16:17.19 | gnarface | Seryth: well whatever one you use it should be the latest version available from the official source |
| 16:17.27 | boudiccas | evry time i do sudo service mpd stop, it respawns |
| 16:17.51 | Seryth | gnarface: Right |
| 16:19.18 | Seryth | gnarface: ah, most recent version is 0.8, so that deb is up to date |
| 16:19.25 | Seryth | most recent released version, I should say |
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| 16:19.44 | Seryth | anyhow, I installed it with dpkg -i, I'm just going to reboot and see if it works, I'll be back in a moment |
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| 16:20.55 | txomon|home | can anyone help me on fixing the sound in debian? |
| 16:21.08 | txomon|home | I got it working but it got once more broken |
| 16:22.13 | txomon|home | going #debian-next to ask about this |
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| 16:22.39 | SiDz | its +i |
| 16:22.40 | SiDz | ;p |
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| 16:23.14 | hello | kain88: so viele deutsche hier im englische chat ^^ leute es gibt auch einen deutschen chat :) |
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| 16:26.21 | nkuttler | !de |
| 16:26.23 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:26.35 | hello | ja sag ich auch ^^ |
| 16:27.16 | txomon|home | SiDz, ? |
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| 16:27.21 | txomon|home | what did you mean? |
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| 16:28.16 | SiDz | #debian-next is +i |
| 16:28.26 | txomon|home | ah ok |
| 16:28.27 | nkuttler | !tell SiDz about oftc |
| 16:28.36 | hello | what is "+i"? |
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| 16:36.00 | Seryth | gnarface: That deb file fixed it. |
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| 16:43.31 | gnarface | Seryth: the fix may have merely been a configuration snippet file it included in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d... you can dpkg -L [package name] to find out if you're curious |
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| 16:47.46 | Romio | hi |
| 16:48.18 | file-exists-p | Hi everybody. |
| 16:48.23 | file-exists-p | can 'mount' automatically call 'cryptdisks_start' ? |
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| 16:51.31 | Seryth | gnarface: You were right, /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-wizrdpen.conf |
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| 16:52.33 | Seryth | gnarface: Now I've just gotta fiddle with it a little to get pressure working in gimp! |
| 16:52.44 | gnarface | Seryth: if you dig up the docs on that file (maybe in /usr/share/doc/[packagename] or a manpage [driver name] or something like that) there may be configuration options to help you customize tablet behavior |
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| 16:53.02 | Seryth | gnarface: Good thought, I'll have a look |
| 16:54.01 | Seryth | gnarface: the man page only has infomation about how to limit the area the tablet can be used in |
| 16:54.11 | Seryth | Oh, disregard that, found it I think |
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| 17:01.39 | uniderv30 | hello. why is using the same applications on the same machine, slower on ubuntu than on debian? |
| 17:01.46 | uniderv30 | for example vlc plays matroska files normally in debian but in ubuntu it pauses all the time |
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| 17:03.24 | gnarface | uniderv30: why would you expect us to know that? ask in #ubuntu |
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| 17:04.00 | uniderv30 | i did. and they blamed library versions |
| 17:04.08 | uniderv30 | "maybe" |
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| 17:05.15 | sney | uniderv30: it's tricky to know with things like that, but yeah, compare the relevant libraries / media players and their versions and changelogs. |
| 17:05.33 | sney | uniderv30: it may also be related to hardware video acceleration. |
| 17:06.16 | uniderv30 | the environment is the same, as well as the hardware. and it happens on other applications besides vlc, ones using different libraries |
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| 17:22.17 | phreaky | hm anyone to know from where can i get libqtnetwork 4.4.8 because from my repos the latest is 4.4.6 |
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| 17:28.26 | Zharf | so what's used nowadays instead of hidd to pair a bluetooth mouse?? |
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| 17:37.03 | tables | how do i check what version of debian i have? |
| 17:37.08 | tables | lenny sid, whatever |
| 17:37.25 | zykotick9 | tables: "lsb_release -a" |
| 17:37.25 | gnarface | tables: lsb_release -a |
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| 17:39.32 | tables | how can i install sid packages on squeeze? |
| 17:39.38 | tables | or am i not supposed to do this? |
| 17:39.48 | blink | /server/server |
| 17:39.57 | zykotick9 | tables: see "/msg dpkg ssb", don't mix binary packages |
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| 17:40.51 | ompaul | tables: you are not supposed to randomly do that it is a bad idea (tm) |
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| 17:43.21 | HelenB_ | er.... |
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| 17:43.41 | HelenB_ | Okies I'm trying to look for xwinwrap but can't seem to find it. I would like to install via APT if possible. |
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| 17:47.44 | edju | Trying to install the propietary nvidia modules. Running module-assistant tells me I need linux-headers-3.2.0-2-686-pae. But, that doesn't exist. The 3.2.0-4 headers do. Will that do, or am I out of luck? |
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| 17:51.24 | HelenB_ | Noooooo :o |
| 17:51.32 | HelenB_ | How old is Sarge? |
| 17:51.39 | HelenB_ | It's just... |
| 17:51.49 | HelenB_ | APT is installing stuff built for Sarge. |
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| 17:53.48 | yeats | HelenB_: whoa - how old is that machine? |
| 17:54.23 | HelenB_ | yeats: iT'S WHEEZY. |
| 17:54.25 | HelenB_ | woopsies |
| 17:54.26 | HelenB_ | but erm... |
| 17:54.36 | HelenB_ | I'm sorting it now I remembered |
| 17:54.46 | dcherniv | edju, apt-get update and try again |
| 17:54.48 | HelenB_ | I put a Sarge repo temp in my sources.list |
| 17:55.13 | HelenB_ | Cause I wanted something old I couldn't get from the snapshots and I forgot to remove the repo :/ |
| 17:55.14 | ompaul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 17:55.39 | ompaul | HelenB_: look at the dates in the coloured in bit |
| 17:55.57 | HelenB_ | ompaul: I know |
| 17:56.05 | HelenB_ | but it just didn't work anyway |
| 17:56.16 | HelenB_ | I got it from Sarge and it works fine |
| 17:56.42 | HelenB_ | Now I need to fix my stuff. :/ |
| 17:56.55 | HelenB_ | just incase it has done some damage to other stuff |
| 17:57.35 | edju | dcherniv, Nope. Guess I'm out of luck. |
| 17:58.18 | edju | What stock kernel is in Squeeze? |
| 17:58.47 | dcherniv | edju, ah 3.2.0.4 is wheezy |
| 17:59.14 | dcherniv | edju, wait a minute. you sure u running squeeze? |
| 17:59.25 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: fyi, shantz's xwinwrap provides a i386 and amd64 DEB in the zip download. but it also includes a binary, that works without installing even. seems like a waste of resources to me. but i got the glmatrix screensave working as my background. |
| 17:59.44 | ompaul | HelenB_: the packages should stay with the newer repos |
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| 18:00.05 | ompaul | only exceptions should install - but they may depend on things you can't provide and break in new and interesting ways |
| 18:00.09 | edju | dcherniv, No. running Wheezy, which doesn't offer the -2 headers. |
| 18:00.27 | HelenB_ | zykotick9: I know I found it ages ago |
| 18:00.32 | HelenB_ | now I have another problem... |
| 18:00.51 | HelenB_ | xscreensaver is missing "matrix". I did a search and found nothing. :/ |
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| 18:01.09 | HelenB_ | I'm aware that it goes by the name "glmatrix" |
| 18:01.12 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: it's in xscreensaver-gl-extra |
| 18:02.03 | HelenB_ | rite |
| 18:02.30 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: the path should be /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix if you happen to be using the same example i was - adjust teh path accordingly |
| 18:02.32 | edju | dcherniv, Funny that the repos offer the -2 kernel, but then the -4 headers. |
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| 18:03.31 | dcherniv | edju, i definetely have -4 kernel here |
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| 18:03.41 | HelenB_ | edju: O.o |
| 18:03.45 | dcherniv | edju, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2686784 Oct 22 14:29 vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 18:04.10 | HelenB_ | nooooo :( |
| 18:04.20 | HelenB_ | Terminator isn't giving me true transparency. |
| 18:04.56 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: you'd need to use composing to get true transparency |
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| 18:05.30 | HelenB_ | zykotick9: composing what? |
| 18:05.33 | edju | dcherniv, hmmm - well - I'll investigate - something's screwed up in the system. |
| 18:05.35 | HelenB_ | window manager? |
| 18:05.40 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: like compiz type thing |
| 18:05.41 | HelenB_ | I use i3 |
| 18:05.45 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 18:05.46 | edju | dcherniv, Thanks. |
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| 18:05.52 | HelenB_ | zykotick9: Anything lighter than compiz? |
| 18:05.57 | dcherniv | edju, np |
| 18:06.01 | zykotick9 | HelenB_: not that i'm aware of? |
| 18:06.08 | dcherniv | HelenB_, xcommpgr |
| 18:06.16 | HelenB_ | er... |
| 18:06.18 | HelenB_ | okies |
| 18:06.34 | dcherniv | HelenB_, xcompmgr my bad |
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| 18:07.27 | HelenB_ | First of all... |
| 18:07.40 | HelenB_ | brb restarting X to see if everything works fine so far. lol |
| 18:08.12 | danielig | hi, quick question about policy for media stuff such as flash etc, I have heard now, that this multimedia repo is not the best to keep enabled, or to use... Wherelse would I get copyrighted/closed source stuff? |
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| 18:08.39 | dcherniv | danielig, like what? |
| 18:10.08 | HelenB_ | xcompmgr is already the newest version. |
| 18:10.10 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 18:10.24 | dcherniv | HelenB_, nice is it running? |
| 18:10.38 | HelenB_ | works |
| 18:10.43 | HelenB_ | when I run it from terminal |
| 18:10.50 | HelenB_ | :D!!! |
| 18:10.55 | HelenB_ | dcherniv: Thankies soo much! |
| 18:11.04 | danielig | flash plugin for iceweasel |
| 18:11.11 | dcherniv | HelenB_, np |
| 18:11.21 | zykotick9 | danielig: flash comes for the contrib repo? |
| 18:11.23 | danielig | all kinds of multimedia support |
| 18:11.41 | HelenB_ | brb restarting X again |
| 18:12.55 | HelenB_ | Okies... |
| 18:13.55 | HelenB_ | I'd like to show u all this! |
| 18:14.00 | HelenB_ | http://ompldr.org/vZ2c0NQ |
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| 18:15.01 | danielig | zykotick9: you mean gnash? |
| 18:15.24 | zykotick9 | danielig: no, flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:17.17 | dcherniv | HelenB_, cool, except for the matrix stuff |
| 18:17.52 | HelenB_ | lol |
| 18:17.52 | dcherniv | damn sniperhill, everything takes forever to load |
| 18:17.57 | HelenB_ | I like it |
| 18:18.04 | HelenB_ | dcherniv: They believe in the same things I do |
| 18:18.10 | HelenB_ | I believe... |
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| 18:18.17 | HelenB_ | the earth and I may not be real |
| 18:18.35 | HelenB_ | I mean whyy assume it's real? HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT IS?! |
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| 18:20.41 | ompaul | HelenB_: philosophy 42 is discussed in #debian-offtopic please come and join us - we also discuss other stuff |
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| 18:29.52 | kracekumar_ | if I use pip(installed by pypy), pip install fabric will shebang pypy path, so I can use pypy interpreter while invoking the command, is there a way I can make apt-get to do similar stuff, e.g apt-get install fabric should use pypy interpreter? |
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| 18:31.50 | niteye | lol that just sounds like pip pypy pip fabric wshebang pypy path pipi langkaus to me |
| 18:32.01 | niteye | bangbang shebang |
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| 18:33.25 | dcherniv | niteye, thank god im not the only one |
| 18:33.32 | dcherniv | pip pip cheerio |
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| 18:38.57 | danielig | flashplugin is good, thanks zykotick9 |
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| 18:43.28 | frikinz | I'm trying to get tftpd-hpa to install but I'm failing till now. Any idea? -> http://paste.debian.net/212267/ http://paste.debian.net/212270/ |
| 18:45.20 | frikinz | I'm currently downloading source and building |
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| 18:49.17 | skirmisha | guys |
| 18:49.32 | skirmisha | i have strange issue with Gnome |
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| 18:50.00 | skirmisha | when on battery and idle for more than 10 min, instead to suspend the system is shut down |
| 18:50.08 | skirmisha | what's that bug |
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| 18:52.52 | skirmisha | any ideas? |
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| 18:55.10 | johndoe | can i get fuzzy completion in a terminal? |
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| 18:55.53 | oldfarterhand | hi, Im using sshfs from windows to map drives on my local host. problem is how do I set it up so I see some useful dirs? now all I see are bashrc.d and .gnupg dirs |
| 18:56.50 | cizra | Hi! What's the correct procedure to switch alternatives in amd64 :i386 packages? I'm trying to get 32-bit NVidia drivers to work on 64-bit OS. They work, but only with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. I'd rather not make any hacks today. |
| 18:56.51 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, it will show the home directory of a user that logs in by default |
| 18:57.15 | oldfarterhand | dcherniv, how do I change that dir? I want it to point to /var/www |
| 18:57.32 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, if im not mistaken sshfs remotehost:/var/www /localmount should do the trick |
| 18:58.08 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, or alternatively create a user whose UID is the same as your apache user and home directory is /var/www |
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| 18:59.05 | oldfarterhand | dcherniv, nope stil lsame |
| 18:59.54 | oldfarterhand | dcherniv, note that Im not mounting win 7 folders on a debian system. rather im mounting debian folders to my local win 7 system using this http://linhost.info/2012/09/sshfs-in-windows/ |
| 19:00.26 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, yea i got you |
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| 19:00.39 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, create a user then |
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| 19:04.28 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, neat i didnt know windows had sshfs |
| 19:05.10 | oldfarterhand | dcherniv, I created a folder in my home user dir, however i do not see it when I connect |
| 19:06.02 | oldfarterhand | now it stopped responding entirely.. |
| 19:06.11 | oldfarterhand | heh |
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| 19:07.59 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, hm... |
| 19:08.28 | dcherniv | oldfarterhand, try to sshfs from localhost with the same user/pass and see what happens |
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| 19:22.17 | frikinz | okay.. tftpd-hpa doesn't start if ipv6 is removed from kernel |
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| 19:31.46 | StryKaizer | I'm looking for a fake mailserver with web interface, for use in a dev environment (emails going out should be logged instead of mailed, and visible trough a webinterface). Anyone who knows an existing sollution? |
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| 19:47.11 | jparkton | how do I look for a folder from terminal? |
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| 19:47.56 | somiaj | jparkton: we call them directories, and you can use 'ls' to list all the files (and directories) in your current directory |
| 19:48.12 | somiaj | jparkton: 'ls /path/to/dir' lists everything in the specified location. |
| 19:48.41 | jparkton | somiaj, I understand but I canot cd / ls and find v4l-utils files |
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| 19:48.55 | abrotman | jparkton: find / -name v4l-utils |
| 19:49.02 | jparkton | grep, find, which these are more likely what I need |
| 19:49.09 | jparkton | abramart, there we go |
| 19:49.13 | jparkton | thank you |
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| 19:49.23 | somiaj | jparkton: man 'find' then, there are lots of options you can use to help your search |
| 19:50.04 | somiaj | jparkton: for example you can also ensure you only look for directoires, find / -name v4l-utils -type d |
| 19:50.13 | abrotman | cute |
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| 19:51.22 | jparkton | abramart, I dont quite understand the | command, I sometimes need to search or run a program and print out errors etc, how do I use | to print to a file.txt |
| 19:51.31 | jparkton | or is that the wrong switch |
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| 19:51.45 | somiaj | jparkton: use > or >> to put the stdout into a file |
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| 19:51.53 | jparkton | k |
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| 19:52.00 | somiaj | jparkton: first is overwrite the file, second is append to the end of the file |
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| 19:53.35 | Bert_2 | Hi, why does this always echo and not never: http://pastebin.com/xFWePxEx |
| 19:54.11 | abrotman | Bert_2: there's a ##php |
| 19:54.19 | Bert_2 | it's bash |
| 19:54.20 | abrotman | oh, that's #bash |
| 19:54.27 | abrotman | misread part of the script |
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| 19:54.38 | dfabio81 | !list |
| 19:54.39 | dpkg | dfabio81: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:55.44 | a111 | http://i.imgur.com/EwAJQ.jpg |
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| 19:57.05 | Bert_2 | abrotman: I'm there as well, thx :) |
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| 20:01.27 | Gabtendo | How can I list all installed packages of a specific architecture, like, say, i386 |
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| 20:03.09 | formorer | Gabtendo: dpkg -l | awk '$4 == "amd64" { print $2 }' |
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| 20:06.50 | Delf | We'll just act like that didn't happen. |
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| 20:07.55 | engla | dpkg -l '*:i386' |
| 20:07.55 | dpkg | ii '*:i386' 1.3-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:08.15 | abrotman | ? |
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| 20:08.29 | Gabtendo | engla: Thanks |
| 20:08.52 | engla | yw |
| 20:09.49 | abrotman | engla: that wouldn't work for me, the other would |
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| 20:09.55 | abrotman | ii xserver-xorg-video-tdfx 1:1.4.4-1 i386 X.Org X server -- tdfx display driver |
| 20:09.59 | abrotman | for example |
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| 20:10.29 | engla | why not? |
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| 20:10.46 | abrotman | wouldn't match? |
| 20:10.52 | engla | try it, it works. |
| 20:10.55 | Gabtendo | bug #689536 |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | weird' okay |
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| 20:12.39 | thinkerweb | my machine is slow to update nameservers |
| 20:12.59 | thinkerweb | Is that a debian issue, cause I thought it was taken care of by my isp |
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| 20:13.52 | jparkton | I would like to remove all my python 2.6 stuff and set my system to 2.7 how can I do that? |
| 20:14.01 | jparkton | and 2.5 |
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| 20:14.42 | EmleyMoor | jparkton: If you've got anything with specific dependencies on 2.[56], you won't be able to... |
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| 20:15.18 | jparkton | maybe a better way is to just set my python interpreter to 2.7 |
| 20:15.32 | jparkton | so my site-packages and everything are in 2.7 |
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| 20:21.40 | thinkerweb | I wanna change my dns from isp's to google's |
| 20:22.13 | jparkton | I think its in etc/hosts |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | thinkerweb: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | not hosts |
| 20:22.22 | jparkton | oh there it is |
| 20:23.36 | thinkerweb | abramart, thx |
| 20:23.45 | thinkerweb | abrotman, |
| 20:23.46 | thinkerweb | abrotman, thx |
| 20:24.31 | thinkerweb | so I'll just add line "nameserver 8.8.8.8" |
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| 20:28.34 | thinkerweb | if I make a change to /etc/resolv.conf will it take into effect auto, or do I have to run a script to make it go into affect. If I re-run dhclient, I lose my change |
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| 20:29.28 | abrotman | you can tell your dhcp client to not change that file |
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| 20:30.31 | thinkerweb | my isp is doing something stupid with me, cause when I call them and they have theirs nameservers updated, but its not updated for me, which should be the same nameservers |
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| 20:30.53 | abrotman | thinkerweb: tried resetting your modem/router? |
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| 20:31.45 | thinkerweb | abrotman, it won't help, it happenned before and I tried that |
| 20:32.04 | abrotman | !tell thinkerweb about fixresolvconf |
| 20:32.47 | thinkerweb | abrotman, can you ping www.thriftywebs.info? |
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| 20:34.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:35.41 | thinkerweb | abrotman, I can't |
| 20:36.07 | thinkerweb | abrotman, I feel like I am the only who can't, and it's cause my isp is playing tron on me |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | can you resolve the correct IP? ping is a horrible test |
| 20:36.43 | thinkerweb | I added nameserver 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:37.00 | BWorld | Hi, I am trying to modify my sources.list because currently some repos are pointing to the volatile repo, according to this link: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 I need to add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main but it gives error about public key when running apt-get update.... |
| 20:37.04 | thinkerweb | abrotman, c'mon, I can ping every other web site on internet |
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| 20:39.50 | jparkton | BWorld, whats the error? |
| 20:40.02 | abrotman | thinkerweb: you didn't really answer my question |
| 20:40.46 | abrotman | BWorld: make sure your debian-archive-keyring pacakage is up to date |
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| 20:42.06 | aef | Can someone please help me resolve the following Debian Wheezy / Mumble / TCP related problem: http://serverfault.com/q/451787/50950 |
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| 20:44.51 | thinkerweb | abrotman, I never, let me see |
| 20:46.09 | thinkerweb | abrotman, what do you mean "correct" ip. I am expecting www.thriftywebs.info to resolve to 67.227.165.145 which I can ping |
| 20:46.22 | BWorld | abrotman, which debian-keyring returns no output, assuming it is not installed I ran: apt-get install debian-keyring but gave me message about it is not available, referred to by another package |
| 20:47.28 | thinkerweb | its freezing out but I am gonna make a cigarette and groceries run |
| 20:47.47 | abrotman | BWorld: it's a packages |
| 20:48.05 | abrotman | BWorld: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 20:52.11 | jparkton | aef, hae you tried in #Lopsa? |
| 20:52.33 | jparkton | aef, hae you tried in #Lopsa ? <-- so its clickable |
| 20:52.36 | BWorld | abrotman, no candidate |
| 20:52.51 | abrotman | BWorld: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 20:54.04 | BWorld | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/ifLqg0sw |
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| 20:55.25 | abrotman | BWorld: using squeeze-updates with lenny sources isn't a great plan |
| 20:56.16 | jparkton | +10 |
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| 20:56.30 | jparkton | confuses your system |
| 20:56.40 | abrotman | or breaks it |
| 20:56.58 | jparkton | abrotman, I want to switch my py interpreter to use 2.7 not 2.6 how do I make that change? |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | jparkton: your OS expects one version of python |
| 20:57.44 | BWorld | abrotman, I am aware of this, but the point is that volatile is outdated and here I read that if I want to update my system I need to add this squeeze repo |
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| 20:57.53 | jparkton | so a better q is how do I get python 2.7 working |
| 20:58.01 | jparkton | lemme research a bit |
| 20:58.07 | BWorld | abrotman, source of this is here http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
| 20:58.19 | jparkton | I tried yesterday but it wanted me to add some ubuntu ppa? |
| 20:58.19 | abrotman | that's fairly old |
| 20:58.21 | BWorld | As you see this post is pretty old |
| 20:58.23 | abrotman | and oyu're not running squeeze |
| 20:58.26 | BWorld | yes, exactly |
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| 20:58.41 | BWorld | no, I dont know much of the system |
| 20:58.58 | BWorld | but I know it is exploited with this: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/18105/ |
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| 20:59.29 | BWorld | I think I have fixed it (temporary) by removing the exploit file in cron config but I want to update system |
| 20:59.44 | BWorld | Then I walked into this problem, did some reading and tried this with the sources.list but no luck |
| 20:59.47 | abrotman | !tell BWorld about lenny->squeeze |
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| 21:01.49 | BWorld | abrotman, is this something that is going to help me out you think? http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 21:02.12 | BWorld | just want to know if I am in the right direction |
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| 21:02.40 | Devastator | BWorld follow the official factoid abrotman just pointed you |
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| 21:02.55 | file-exists-p | hi! can 'mount' automatically call 'cryptdisks_start' ? |
| 21:03.09 | abrotman | again? |
| 21:03.22 | file-exists-p | wut? |
| 21:03.27 | file-exists-p | no answer yet |
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| 21:28.46 | tpo | xchat would play a sound when someone wrote my nick, now it doesn't any more |
| 21:29.02 | tpo | does someone know where/how to configure that? |
| 21:29.20 | phreaky | grabs tpo shakes him and says: come on man seriously ?... |
| 21:29.45 | tpo | this gets hightlighted, but now sound phreaky |
| 21:29.51 | tpo | s/now/no/ |
| 21:30.01 | abrotman | there's a Sounds tab IIRC |
| 21:30.33 | tpo | abrotman, that has about 80 entries. Which one is it? |
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| 21:32.58 | lf94 | Hey, any reason why xft fonts aren't working with urxvt (such as the dejavu fonts) ? |
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| 21:35.27 | wildc4rd | I have just put Debian on an oldish netbook (aspire one, 6.0.6, gnome 2.30.2), anyone have any idea how I might enable the wifi on it? |
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| 21:36.32 | fossala | Is systemd giong to end up in debian? |
| 21:37.31 | tpo | fossala, http://packages.debian.org/systemd |
| 21:37.44 | fossala | I saw that, I mean by default. |
| 21:38.51 | formorer | maybe, maybe not |
| 21:38.57 | formorer | at least in the near future |
| 21:40.06 | engla | fossala: let's see what happens after wheezy is released |
| 21:40.50 | tpo | wildc4rd, does the kerel recognize the wifi card already? |
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| 21:46.11 | wildc4rd | Sorry tpo, I just restarted, and for whatever reason it is now working normally. |
| 21:46.34 | tpo | wildc4rd, nice :-)! |
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| 21:49.05 | tpo | so, the one setting for the sound output would be "Beep" in xchat... and "beep on..." highlighted message needs to be set... |
| 21:49.24 | ubd | how i can i list the recommened packages? |
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| 21:50.03 | tpo | ubd, dpkg -s package_name |
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| 21:51.26 | ubd | thats for installed packages i think? |
| 21:51.35 | tpo | ubd, yes |
| 21:51.48 | ubd | is it possible for not yet installed packages? |
| 21:51.52 | tpo | ubd, apt-cache show xchat |
| 21:52.34 | ubd | invalid operation? |
| 21:52.45 | tpo | uh, I check |
| 21:52.45 | ubd | sry |
| 21:52.50 | ubd | no my mistake |
| 21:53.05 | tpo | :) |
| 21:53.10 | ubd | thank you very much |
| 21:53.23 | tpo | you are very wellcome |
| 21:53.58 | blackness | dpkg -S package is what i use to search with. |
| 21:53.59 | dpkg | Dingos ate my package is what i use to search with.! |
| 21:54.04 | tpo | ubd an alternative is to use aptitude, or http://packages.debian.org/xchat |
| 21:54.22 | ubd | i cant really use it so i removed it |
| 21:54.51 | blackness | cant use xchat? |
| 21:55.06 | ubd | aptitude |
| 21:55.10 | tpo | ubd, surprises me a bit, since I like it a lot |
| 21:55.26 | blackness | oh, then use apt-get or download your debs. and manually install. |
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| 21:55.35 | chovy | anyone know anything about battery backups? |
| 21:55.49 | ubd | apt-get seems to work for me |
| 21:56.15 | chovy | i'd like to find one that gets at least an hour of battery time. |
| 21:56.16 | blackness | ive always used apt-get, never the software manager thing |
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| 21:56.55 | tpo | blackness, it's useful if you need to resolve a lot of conflicts |
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| 21:57.34 | ubd | btw is there such tool available: lets say i want to install an irc client out of 3, an email client out of 2, a media player out of 10 possiblities. i want a tool to compara package depencies of every combination and tell me which n |
| 21:57.45 | blackness | tpo, i resolve my conflicts manually, always have always felt as if i needed to aswell. |
| 21:57.46 | ubd | combination requires the least |
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| 21:58.09 | blackness | ubd, ive never attempted to do that. i cannot help you with your question. Sorry. bbl trying cinnamon |
| 21:58.20 | tpo | chovy, have a look at "Ah" number on the one you have |
| 21:59.01 | themill | ubd: there's no sense in comparing packages looking for the least dependencies. Look at them and decide which ones meet your needs. |
| 21:59.11 | KettleCooked | If I untar a file with "tar -xvf" what dictates what user the files are chowned to? Right now I am root, untaring a file, and they're all owned by user 1001 "deluge" (a user I recently created). What gives? |
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| 21:59.16 | tpo | ubd, for that aptitude would be nice |
| 21:59.32 | ubd | but i would have to compare manually |
| 21:59.37 | chovy | tpo: Ah? |
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| 21:59.55 | tpo | you tell it to "i"nstall a package press "g"o and then you'll see how many packages it's going to install |
| 21:59.56 | abrotman | KettleCooked: is that the user that created the tar file? |
| 22:00.05 | tpo | chovy, Ampere Hours |
| 22:00.26 | themill | KettleCooked: the tarball contains either username:groupname or uid:gid, depending on the options used to create it. When untarring as non-root, this information is discarded. |
| 22:00.37 | ubd | abrotman ca write such a script :P |
| 22:00.41 | tpo | you look at how many your current battery has and chose one that will give you proportionaly more to reach one hour |
| 22:00.50 | chovy | tpo: i don't have a ups |
| 22:00.59 | abrotman | ubd: i don't htink you meant me |
| 22:01.14 | alusion_ | Hey debian I am trying to get help now, my graphical environment died and I am trying to get help |
| 22:01.24 | alusion_ | Wow that was redundant |
| 22:01.31 | alusion_ | I am trying to output commands into pastebinit |
| 22:01.38 | alusion_ | I am reduced to my tty environment |
| 22:01.38 | KettleCooked | themill: Ok so right now as root I'm untaring, and in the archive they happened to just have the same uid:gid as a totally different user on my system? |
| 22:02.03 | tpo | chovy you don't need an ups |
| 22:02.07 | themill | KettleCooked: quite possibly. 1001 would often just be the second real user on the machine |
| 22:02.16 | tpo | batteries usually have a Ah number on them |
| 22:02.21 | KettleCooked | ok that clarifies it, thanks! |
| 22:03.09 | themill | KettleCooked: tar has options to control this behaviour like --no-same-owner. See man tar for more details. |
| 22:03.36 | tpo | alusion, do you have a desktop installed? |
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| 22:04.08 | chovy | tpo: why not? |
| 22:04.08 | wols_ | tpo: X doesn't need a "desktop" to run |
| 22:04.14 | chovy | i just lost all my data because of a power outage |
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| 22:05.26 | tpo | chovy I missunderstood "battery backup", but the same applies |
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| 22:05.57 | tpo | you need to know how much power your system uses and then to check how many Ah some ups would give you |
| 22:06.02 | wols_ | alusion_: have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.0.log yet? |
| 22:06.15 | abrotman | probably better suited for ##hardware |
| 22:06.24 | tpo | wols_, I assume he doesn't want to run X, but a desktop |
| 22:06.47 | chovy | tpo: any attempt at a guess? it's just a debian server running at home on an old pc. |
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| 22:07.21 | tpo | chovy, ask a search machine - I do not know |
| 22:07.38 | ubd | chovy: im currently using 60 watts |
| 22:07.47 | ubd | except the monitor |
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| 22:08.10 | tpo | powertop is saying I'm using 20W on my laptop |
| 22:08.14 | alusion__ | Sorry something strange happened, what should I check? |
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| 22:08.56 | damo22 | hi i am looking for a linux distribution that allows me to easily configure a server for headless use, ie, never to ask for a keystroke inside grub during bootup, but to continue and auto fsck |
| 22:09.12 | tpo | alusion__, just look into the file if there are errors (EE) |
| 22:09.19 | lf94 | Hey, any reason why xft fonts aren't working with urxvt (such as the dejavu fonts) ? |
| 22:09.22 | abrotman | damo22: that really won't happen if the FS is damaged enough |
| 22:09.41 | alusion__ | which file tpo, my tty reset itself |
| 22:09.44 | damo22 | abrotman: sure, but in most cases it will work, unless the hard drive is cactus |
| 22:09.45 | alusion__ | so I lost the path |
| 22:09.58 | themill | damo22: you can set debian to FSCKFIX=yes on boot |
| 22:10.08 | wols_ | damo22: you wish |
| 22:10.12 | tpo | alusion__ but you are able to login on the tty? |
| 22:10.20 | damo22 | :D |
| 22:10.21 | ompaul | damo22: and then you can hope you don't have damaged disks |
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| 22:10.42 | alusion__ | yes |
| 22:10.52 | ompaul | damo22: as long as you are willing to live with hardware that fails you can do pretty much anything - and it will fail some day |
| 22:11.01 | damo22 | well its not ideal, but its just for a home server that i will not be attending very often |
| 22:11.13 | ompaul | then yes |
| 22:11.22 | tpo | alusion__ "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 22:11.39 | ompaul | damo22: one assumes you will patch it with security patches |
| 22:11.39 | wols_ | suggests less or grep |
| 22:11.46 | damo22 | i dont care if it eventually fails, but i dont want it to ask for enter keystroke when im not there |
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| 22:12.09 | damo22 | ompaul: yes |
| 22:12.10 | alusion__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.19 | chovy | ubd: so i guess i'm not going to get an hour of battery time it sounds like |
| 22:12.29 | chovy | all the reviews are saying 10-12 minutes |
| 22:12.36 | tpo | alusion__ wols has a good suggestion |
| 22:13.20 | damo22 | ompaul: this kind of solution is good for hardware that is in a remote location that has a team of hardware guys who regularly visit sites for maintenance |
| 22:13.27 | ompaul | damo22: as long as you remember to run your upgrades in screen or something like that |
| 22:13.39 | ompaul | damo22: then yes set up a debian server |
| 22:13.55 | tpo | damo22, but I think that debian will boot without requiring keyboard input if everything is OK, and that is what you are asking for, aren't you? |
| 22:14.26 | tpo | damo22, no need to configure whatsoever |
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| 22:14.38 | damo22 | tpo: i dont know about debian's behaviour |
| 22:15.08 | damo22 | tpo: but i know ubuntu does not behave how i want it to |
| 22:15.16 | tpo | damo22 it will wait a few seconds on boot and then boot through to login |
| 22:15.18 | ompaul | damo22: settings are everything |
| 22:15.25 | CpuID2 | hey ppls? ive got my own debian repos running internally, and have an unstable and a stable at the moment? ive got packages into unstable without any issues (using reprepro to take care of the basics), whats the best method of promoting an individual pkg from one repo to the other? |
| 22:15.46 | tpo | damo22, how not? It doesn't require you to press any key? |
| 22:16.07 | thinkerweb | Can someone help me change my nameserver's from my isp's to google's cause I tried to edit /etc/resolv.conf and I just added google in there nameserver 8.8.8.8 and nameserver 8.8.4.4 but it didn't work |
| 22:16.16 | damo22 | tpo: when there is a power failure, even if there is nothing wrong with the disk it asks for keystroke in grub |
| 22:16.23 | ompaul | damo22: also know this, if your hardware has issues or is set up wrong it will want keys pressed to get past bios - people forget to fix that stuff - you should be keyboardless up to and including grub |
| 22:16.27 | thinkerweb | ok, I am gonna delete the others and just leave google in there |
| 22:16.40 | damo22 | ompaul: i have customised the bios to fix this issue |
| 22:16.50 | tpo | CpuID2, manually? I.e. by "cp {unstable,stable}/package.deb" ? |
| 22:17.03 | ompaul | damo22: wrt grub - it shouldn't ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:17.05 | tpo | damo22 not here |
| 22:17.27 | tpo | here ubuntu will timeout in grub and then boot through |
| 22:17.49 | formorer | damo22: reprepro has a copy command |
| 22:17.55 | ompaul | damo22: however your machine should have a ups on it if you want to leave it for really long periods to take out silly brownouts and the like |
| 22:17.55 | CpuID2 | tpo, oh thats a simple solution, but the issue is more upgrading Release files etc etc automatically |
| 22:18.02 | CpuID2 | thought there might be a debian approach? :) |
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| 22:18.24 | formorer | if you use the reprepro copy reprepro will take care about it |
| 22:18.26 | CpuID2 | i spose i could use reprepro and give it the .deb filename and add it to the stable repo |
| 22:18.27 | CpuID2 | in theory |
| 22:19.04 | formorer | und practise its the same |
| 22:19.08 | CpuID2 | ?were those reprepro comments targeted at me? and not damo22? :) |
| 22:19.09 | damo22 | ompaul: yes, it has a small 20 minute ups for that, but still i want to fix the problem with grub asking for a keystroke |
| 22:19.25 | tpo | CpuID2, you can do dpkg-scanpackages $DIR/$ARCH /dev/null | gzip -9c > $DIR/$ARCH/Packages.gz |
| 22:19.50 | formorer | ehm no. |
| 22:19.58 | CpuID2 | np |
| 22:19.59 | CpuID2 | ah yea... |
| 22:20.02 | CpuID2 | thats an interesting approach |
| 22:20.13 | tpo | damo22, you can set the timeout in the grub config |
| 22:20.19 | shingouz | damo22: i take you have already checked /etc/default/grub for what is in there... |
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| 22:20.53 | damo22 | oh god, /etc/default/grub |
| 22:20.57 | damo22 | lol |
| 22:21.17 | damo22 | i was looking in the menu.lst, or grub.conf |
| 22:21.22 | ompaul | damo22: ask about that in #ubuntu and I have not seen that on any of my installs (about 50) |
| 22:21.42 | ompaul | damo22: and some of them reboot every day others are servers |
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| 22:22.17 | damo22 | ompaul: it is especially bad when i run ext2 with no journaling |
| 22:22.18 | lf94 | sooo no one else has had this problem with urxvt on deb. ? |
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| 22:22.42 | ompaul | damo22: you shouldn't unless it is old ssd but it's not our issue p[lease take it to #ubuntu |
| 22:22.49 | damo22 | ok sorry |
| 22:23.01 | damo22 | thanks for all your help, but i might try debian instead |
| 22:23.04 | tpo | damo22, grub2 config has become very complex to configure |
| 22:23.22 | damo22 | yes tpo: i agree i hate the new config, its just a bootloader it should be easy |
| 22:23.28 | tpo | lf94, no urxvt here :-< |
| 22:23.58 | lf94 | tpo: you mean in debian or on your machine? : p |
| 22:24.17 | damo22 | on my ubuntu anyway |
| 22:24.18 | tpo | damo22, ext2 will break and will need a fix so better you add a journal to the ext2 fs |
| 22:24.33 | tpo | lf94, on my machine |
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| 22:24.56 | damo22 | thanks all /part |
| 22:25.04 | tpo | :) |
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| 22:25.20 | lf94 | wahn |
| 22:25.33 | lf94 | i wish someone could help. : ( |
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| 22:25.43 | tpo | lf94, let me check |
| 22:27.10 | tpo | lf94, which one do you use? http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=urxvt&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 22:27.34 | lf94 | on every other distro ive tried adding fonts via xset +fp /path/to/font or adding font path to xorg.conf and that always works |
| 22:27.37 | lf94 | uhhh |
| 22:28.21 | lf94 | /usr/bin/urxvt tpo |
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| 22:28.31 | tpo | lf94, which package? |
| 22:28.45 | tpo | lf94, dpkg -S /usr/bin/urxvt |
| 22:28.57 | lf94 | rxvt-unicode-lite: /usr/bin/urxv |
| 22:29.06 | lf94 | +t |
| 22:29.20 | lf94 | hm |
| 22:29.29 | lf94 | could be the problem : ) |
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| 22:29.47 | KettleCooked | How do you find out which version of a package is in Debian stable channel (Squeeze)? If I "aptitude search php5 it shows a short description about php5 but I would like to know which version it would install. |
| 22:30.23 | tpo | lf94, did you try with the various -f* switches of urxvt (man urxvt) |
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| 22:30.38 | dvs | KettleCooked: apt-cache policy php5 |
| 22:30.40 | lf94 | yea |
| 22:31.10 | lf94 | im going to install rxvt-unicode-256color and see if that changes anything |
| 22:31.11 | KettleCooked | dvs: cool, thanks! |
| 22:31.13 | tpo | KettleCooked, you can start aptitude in interactive mode, just type "aptitude" <enter> |
| 22:31.31 | lf94 | ahaha |
| 22:31.40 | lf94 | worked tpo |
| 22:31.46 | tpo | lf94, :) |
| 22:31.51 | lf94 | thanks B ) |
| 22:32.01 | tpo | very wellcome |
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| 22:32.10 | dvs | KettleCooked: no prob |
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| 22:36.05 | jparkton | when trying to start lighttpd I get this in my logs http://pastie.org/5433534 |
| 22:36.31 | kosaidpo | hello guys my .bash_profile is owned by root is it normal ?? |
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| 22:36.47 | jparkton | yes |
| 22:36.52 | dvs | no |
| 22:37.19 | tpo | no |
| 22:37.25 | blackness | jparkton, you just have lighttpd installed. |
| 22:37.34 | blackness | kosaidpo, no |
| 22:38.02 | blackness | jparkton, plain lighttpd isnt designed to handle -fastcgi unless you install php5-cgi i believe is the package |
| 22:38.18 | jparkton | ok let me try that |
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| 22:38.27 | demarte | hi there |
| 22:39.28 | kosaidpo | blackness: okies and somtimes i have sound but if reboot i might not have it its so weird |
| 22:40.10 | blackness | what errors are in dmesg? have you checked lspci or lshw when you do not have sound? |
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| 22:41.18 | tpo | kosaidpo, I had that for a while, I had to unmute sound in alsamixer |
| 22:42.04 | kosaidpo | tpo: yehh i did it me well now i dont have sound icone at all if i reboot theres so much chance ill have it with sound of course |
| 22:42.29 | demarte | i got problems with my grub in debian squeeze stable. i miss the grub-md5-crypt command and the grub-install option --allow-floppy.. my -v is GRUB 1.98 20100804-14. so which version should i use and where to get it? |
| 22:42.56 | tpo | kosaidpo, what is a "sound icone"? |
| 22:43.08 | tpo | did you try alsamixer and unmute? |
| 22:43.39 | kosaidpo | tpo: you see in the tray bar you an icon from when u can rise up the sound |
| 22:43.43 | blackness | doesnt squeeze use grub2? |
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| 22:44.09 | tpo | blackness grub 1,98 == grub2 |
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| 22:44.57 | tpo | kosaidpo, I might be running the xcf4 desktop while you are running gnome, so our desktops might not be the same |
| 22:45.06 | blackness | guess it is..im using 1.99 tho. |
| 22:45.13 | kosaidpo | _tpoi have lxde |
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| 22:45.21 | kosaidpo | tpo: i have lxde |
| 22:45.29 | demarte | hmm ok, so i need these commands and options... on the sites ive seen its written 2.0 got that features... how do i upgrade? |
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| 22:46.49 | tpo | kosaido if you open a terminal and do "dpkg -s alsa-utils", are they installed? |
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| 22:47.40 | tpo | demarte, if I might ask, what do you need those features for? |
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| 22:48.02 | NathanWWW | ive got a panasonic toughbook cf-28, it is a 600mhz P3 M cpu, 256meg ram. 20gig hdd. i'm trying to install debian on. it detecs my wifi cards but no matter wich one i use. it gives me an error about the dhcp server being slow or unreachable. and i dont understand this as every other device on my wifi network connects with no such issue.. any idea what i can do to resolve this issue? |
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| 22:49.00 | NathanWWW | i'm using netinstall iso as i dont have a dvd drive and dont want to burn alll 30 disks lol |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | whihc wifi device? |
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| 22:50.46 | demarte | tpo: the floppy option is to boot bugbios. in which i can boot old bioses with USB-FDD optin. the grub-md5-crypt is to set a password |
| 22:50.54 | NathanWWW | 1, broadcom internal wifi card, one zyxel 802.11g G-1705 card, and one SMC networks smc2632w v.2 |
| 22:52.11 | demarte | tpo: option i mean |
| 22:52.29 | tpo | demarte, you can try to install a grub from the next release (wheezy) or from experimental http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grub2 - however be warned, if your dependencies get screwed up (you're at a very low level here), then your system might break and not boot any more |
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| 22:53.06 | tpo | demarte, you need to know what you are doing and you need to be able to recover from breakage before you start this |
| 22:53.18 | bpht | are there any plans to switch over to systemd by default? |
| 22:53.36 | formorer | no. |
| 22:53.52 | abrotman | bpht: not currently |
| 22:54.16 | NathanWWW | when i tryed lenny it said it needed software for teh broadcom. so i downlloaded that. and it said its not compatible with the version of debian..... |
| 22:54.29 | bpht | abrotman: how about upstart? |
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| 22:54.47 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:54.50 | demarte | tpo: yes i understand... hmm how to get them from wheezy? think its more near, this option |
| 22:54.56 | abrotman | bpht: what's wron gwith the one Debian uses now? |
| 22:54.57 | formorer | there are currently no concrete plans in changing the initsystem |
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| 22:55.59 | bpht | abrotman: just asking out of curiocity. they say faster boot and such... |
| 22:56.23 | tpo | NathanWWW, you probably need to install a special firmware package have a look at these here:http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-b |
| 22:56.36 | formorer | yeah faster booting. I alway boot my pc. in fact its takin 99% of my worktime. booting booting booting |
| 22:56.54 | tpo | NathanWWW, is the wlan card you have among these? |
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| 22:57.09 | formorer | imho a faster boottime is the most unimportant reason for a new initsystem |
| 22:57.10 | abrotman | bpht: how often do you boot your systems? we do have insserv |
| 22:57.20 | formorer | in fact my bios boots much longer than my debian |
| 22:57.29 | bpht | formorer: lol. chill out man:) |
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| 22:58.58 | tpo | demarte, download the package and install it with dpkg, but again - be warned it can severely break package dependencies, so you need to know how to find your way back out with "dpkg" |
| 22:59.57 | KettleCooked | Where can I find precompiled PHP for Debian? If I want to have a later version than what apt-get installs for me? |
| 23:00.01 | formorer | bpht: the whole discussion is just disgusting |
| 23:00.22 | nkuttler | !tell KettleCooked about backports |
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| 23:00.39 | themill | KettleCooked: what specifically are you looking for and for what reasons? |
| 23:00.56 | formorer | nkuttler: and? there is no php in backports. |
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| 23:01.29 | themill | formorer: quite... shame that was NAK'd. |
| 23:01.42 | KettleCooked | themill: I was thinking of getting the latest stable PHP now that I'm reinstalling my system. PHP website recommends getting latest, since it solves lots of bugs. |
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| 23:02.13 | formorer | themill: I am thankful for every day where we don't have php in backports. |
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| 23:02.55 | tpo | KettleCooked, the PHP in sid is not recent enough for you? |
| 23:03.29 | themill | formorer: it's a FAQ for all the people out there with code that needs 5.4 though. |
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| 23:03.55 | themill | formorer: the lack of a supported backport means that we have lots of unmaintained home-brew backports that aren't being looked after properly. |
| 23:04.14 | KettleCooked | tpo: not sure what version is there, and I'm on stable channel. The whole reason for my having to spend the weekend reinstalling my server is because of dependency issues after I went on a "learning spree" trying to install software from unstable. It messed up everything real good, I was left without a compiler and no way to install one. |
| 23:04.17 | themill | KettleCooked: if your code works with the php from squeeze, then you're much better off just using that |
| 23:04.42 | hesco | I just did a `sudo apt-get install mysql-server` but `sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start` fails to start the server. /var/lib/mysql looks to be populated. /var/log/mysql.err and mysql.log are both empty. The init.d script tells me nothing except that it failed. Any advice on how to resolve this, please? |
| 23:04.47 | KettleCooked | themill: So in other words, getting the latest bugfixes isn't worth the effort of trying to install a later version? |
| 23:04.53 | formorer | php is a thing that just has to die. having php in backports would just raise the number of *censored* breaking there systems with it |
| 23:05.00 | kosaidpo | hey guys i cant download a file correctly when im done i compae the md5 and its not the same |
| 23:05.01 | tpo | KettleCooked, you can allways try to go with wheezy |
| 23:05.12 | themill | KettleCooked: the security team already backport relevant patches to the php you have. |
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| 23:05.24 | kosaidpo | i tried many time using chromium and with wget but no succes any idea |
| 23:05.34 | tpo | KettleCooked, it's the next upcoming stable debian. It's pretty stable allready |
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| 23:05.52 | un214 | kosaidpo: wow that sucks |
| 23:06.13 | KettleCooked | themill: what does that mean, my php gets autoupdated as time goes by? |
| 23:06.26 | kosaidpo | un214: yes it does so much i download it for times idk what be the cause |
| 23:06.38 | themill | formorer: if the code is fit for a stable release and also the upcoming stable release, it's fit for backports ... we can't use code quality of php junk as a reason not to here. Compatibility with modules etc as you described on the bpo-users mailing list is reasonable though. |
| 23:06.44 | themill | dpkg: tell KettleCooked about security backports |
| 23:06.47 | un214 | kosaidpo: the stock answer is somebody is attacking you. |
| 23:07.03 | un214 | of course you could simply have a broken internet that corrupts files |
| 23:07.06 | formorer | themill: thats nonsense. most packaged php apps from stable will just break with the php from testing |
| 23:07.15 | themill | KettleCooked: you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? run "apt-get update; aptitude upgrade" and it will do that for you |
| 23:07.15 | formorer | and I am not willing to break them all |
| 23:07.18 | kosaidpo | un214: what attackin what ?? my machine its so lame and its data too :D |
| 23:07.26 | themill | formorer: sure, that's what I said. |
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| 23:07.38 | kosaidpo | i have nethin important here at all un214 |
| 23:07.43 | un214 | you know stuff like this is automated right. |
| 23:07.48 | un214 | they have no idea either |
| 23:08.12 | kosaidpo | un214: what makes you come to conclusion LOL |
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| 23:08.27 | tpo | kosaidpo, I rather think that your fs might have problems |
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| 23:08.40 | kosaidpo | tpo: fs ?? |
| 23:08.42 | un214 | tpo: wouldn't that result in his system not working? |
| 23:08.45 | un214 | filesystem |
| 23:08.48 | tpo | you said that .bash_profile was owned by root |
| 23:09.00 | tpo | and that sound wouldn't work |
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| 23:09.15 | un214 | oh I didn't notice that I agree he probably has disk problems |
| 23:09.16 | tpo | that could be symptoms of your fs desintegrating |
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| 23:09.26 | kosaidpo | tpo: yesh i changed it , cus my my terminal its white but its now 2 times i found it in black |
| 23:09.31 | KettleCooked | themill: From what I could understand from dpkg, there are updates to software but the version number doesn't necessarily change? |
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| 23:10.10 | tpo | kosaidpo, do a "dmesg" what does it say? does it look scary with ext3 shouting a lot? |
| 23:10.15 | kosaidpo | tpo: so how cani check if my fs is ok or not and if so how can i fix it ? |
| 23:10.41 | un214 | fsck / |
| 23:11.22 | tpo | KettleCooked, that's correct, however there are no new features either, when the version doesn't change, but have as I said, you can install wheezy |
| 23:11.39 | tpo | kosaidpo, dmesg ? |
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| 23:11.51 | kosaidpo | tpo: ill pass it hang on |
| 23:11.55 | un214 | anyway kosaidpo: if it starts behaving like that your best bet is usually backup, nuke, and pave |
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| 23:12.08 | un214 | backup by dd to a fresh hard disk if possible |
| 23:12.40 | tpo | un214, dd might well stop with an error message if it can't read a sector... |
| 23:13.01 | un214 | tpo: true. then we know what the problem is now don't we |
| 23:13.02 | kosaidpo | un214 , tpo i forgot to metion this my /home partition i keep when i had lubuntu in my / so i formated my lubuntu with debian and kept my /home |
| 23:13.26 | un214 | if it does that we switch to dd_resuce (good luck installing it on a broken system) |
| 23:14.14 | un214 | kosaidpo: if it is disk problems there's no guarantee they're confined to /home |
| 23:14.18 | jimcooncat | I wish I remembered what was prompting me for authorization, and I found it wanted the root password and not my own for sudo. There's a gui thing for a preference that I've used before, and I'd like to find the name of that again. I'm now on xfce, but also have gnome installed on this squeeze machine. |
| 23:14.22 | kosaidpo | un214: hey while i ha lubuntu i savec the result of id command so ican create a new user with same info |
| 23:14.49 | kosaidpo | un214 tpo here you go http://pastie.org/5433656 |
| 23:15.58 | kosaidpo | well my /home i didnt format it so maybe the my actual account does not fit the /home data in term of privilege ? |
| 23:16.13 | un214 | nah |
| 23:16.44 | un214 | you need to log in as root (no sudo won't do here), umount /home then fsck /home |
| 23:16.47 | tpo | kosaidpo, dmesg looks OK, no problems there as far as I can see. I think your fs is ok. |
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| 23:17.10 | _ramok | hi |
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| 23:18.05 | _ramok | i've tried to install openjdk 7 on my debian squeeze box. if i run now java -version i get "-bash: /usr/bin/java: Permission Denied" |
| 23:18.23 | jimcooncat | sorry, I dropped from the network, was there a reply to my msg? |
| 23:18.26 | tpo | kosaidpo, I think that might be the problem, because when you redid your installation, the installer recreated all users and you might have gotten a different user |
| 23:19.03 | un214 | tpo: he said he saved the results of id so he could recreate the user |
| 23:19.16 | tpo | un214, oh, ok |
| 23:19.22 | kosaidpo | tpo: well when i had lubuntu i saved the result of the id command can this help to create new user that match this result |
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| 23:19.41 | snot | what simple mp3 player does the cool kids use now a days? |
| 23:19.51 | kosaidpo | snot: Vla |
| 23:19.57 | kosaidpo | snot: vlc |
| 23:19.58 | streuner | snot, mpg321 |
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| 23:20.09 | tpo | kosaidpo, does this work: "cd ~; touch foo" ? |
| 23:20.11 | nkuttler | snot: cplay, quodlibet |
| 23:20.35 | tpo | snot, youtube ;-) |
| 23:20.50 | streuner | snot, you see there are lots of alternatives, but maybe tell us first what do you prefer |
| 23:21.28 | snot | streuner: I know :) |
| 23:21.34 | kosaidpo | tpo: yeh its does |
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| 23:21.46 | snot | I'm looking for something light weight but still graphical |
| 23:22.14 | streuner | snot, i dont know others what mentioned here, but i would give xmms* a try, then. |
| 23:22.41 | nkuttler | snot: do you want to manage your library etc in the player or just something dumb you throw files at? |
| 23:22.54 | snot | streuner: I'll give it a try... worked great for me when I was using rh 6.0 :) |
| 23:23.13 | jparkton | asking some questions in Apache room and hes trying to say its debians fault the commands dont work on my server |
| 23:23.18 | jparkton | so whats the real story? |
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| 23:23.25 | tpo | kosaidpo, OK, then "rm foo". Now try this "ls -l | less" - there should not be any files owned by root |
| 23:23.31 | Gabtendo | can I uninstall something if I accidentally installed it as root with winetricks? |
| 23:23.34 | snot | nkuttler: I mianly use google music however I want something to test locally before I upload |
| 23:23.41 | tpo | if there are then you need to chown them to your user |
| 23:23.54 | un214 | tpo, kosaidpo: make that ls -l | grep root | less |
| 23:23.56 | themill | KettleCooked: the "upstream" part of the version doesn't change, but the "debian revision" changes. So you'll have seen php5 version 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 upgraded to 5.3.3-7+squeeze14. |
| 23:24.05 | nkuttler | snot: no idea what google music is |
| 23:24.23 | nkuttler | !tell jparkton about errors |
| 23:24.28 | themill | jparkton: #httpd tends to like to pretend not to understand anything about debian's apache packages. What are you really doing? |
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| 23:24.47 | NathanWWW | ive looked at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-b and got the correct firmware but how do i install it during the install so i can do the net install using that card? |
| 23:24.55 | tpo | !tell tpo about errors |
| 23:25.00 | KettleCooked | I now have dotdeb in my sources.list. apt-cache policy php5 shows three versions, one being 5.4.8 for example. How do I know which one will be installed? |
| 23:25.02 | kosaidpo | tpo un214 yeh no file |
| 23:25.04 | jparkton | trying to get fcgi working so I can serve up python scripts |
| 23:25.12 | snot | nkuttler: a service by google where you upload mp3's (and others) and stream it to android, desktop, etc |
| 23:25.13 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: dotdeb is not supported here |
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| 23:25.20 | jparkton | http://www.electricmonk.nl/docs/apache_fastcgi_python/apache_fastcgi_python.html |
| 23:25.24 | jparkton | followed that method |
| 23:25.32 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: and you really shouldn't use their packages |
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| 23:25.56 | KettleCooked | nkuttler: it would appear to be the only way to use php and nginx together though |
| 23:25.57 | snot | but nm, xmms it is, thanks every body :) |
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| 23:26.14 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: certainly not |
| 23:26.29 | KettleCooked | nkuttler: is there a way, without compiling php yourself? |
| 23:26.31 | blueness | hi guys, i'm a gentoo dev, what channel is the best channel to talk to debian devs? |
| 23:27.02 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: sure. run php as fcgi or somesuch |
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| 23:27.09 | streuner | blueness: if you have to ask, #debian-devel (OFTC) |
| 23:27.16 | blueness | ah oftc |
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| 23:27.25 | blueness | streuner, ty |
| 23:27.28 | streuner | np |
| 23:27.52 | KettleCooked | nkuttler: about a year ago I could install php5-fpm, but that doesn't show up anymore in aptitude search, and that's what's needed to run it, it's "FastCGI Process Manager" |
| 23:27.55 | tpo | NathanWWW, you /should/ be able to put the *.deb on an USB stick and the installed /should/ be able to find it there |
| 23:28.17 | themill | KettleCooked: php5-fpm was never available for squeeze. |
| 23:28.44 | tpo | NathanWWW, the wheezy install will ask you if you can give him an USB stick with the "driver" when it doesn't find it |
| 23:29.08 | tpo | that actually worked for me once and twice not - so YMMV :-| |
| 23:29.18 | KettleCooked | odd.. maybe I installed it some other way |
| 23:29.37 | jparkton | Ok I type localhost/app.py in my browser address bar and it gives me "Internal Server Error" |
| 23:29.45 | jparkton | nkuttler, which files should I paste |
| 23:29.46 | tpo | NathanWWW, there's another way though, that I'd have too look up |
| 23:29.47 | themill | KettleCooked: perhaps from dotdeb? |
| 23:29.58 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: there's php-cgi |
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| 23:30.15 | nkuttler | jparkton: you should read your httpd error log |
| 23:30.26 | kosaidpo | tpo: hello any idea how to fix my issue ? |
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| 23:30.53 | kosaidpo | tpo: cus i have some diffrent btw the cmmd id for now and what isavec |
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| 23:31.11 | modem | eh |
| 23:31.14 | themill | jparkton: a screwed up python script is most definitely not the fault of the debian packaging. |
| 23:31.18 | modem | how can i get jde7 on debian? |
| 23:31.19 | un214 | kosaidpo: do the uid of the two match? |
| 23:31.41 | kosaidpo | noo |
| 23:31.54 | jparkton | so to save myself frustration which channel can I ask in and not get the blame game? |
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| 23:32.11 | kosaidpo | un214 tpo http://pastie.org/5433721 |
| 23:32.18 | jparkton | I understand it is ALL my fault EVERYTIME so lets get past whos fault it is and move on to resolving the issue |
| 23:32.22 | modem | *jre7 |
| 23:32.30 | modem | i can;t play minecraft using squeeze. |
| 23:32.37 | modem | this is huge problem. |
| 23:32.46 | themill | jparkton: well what does apache say in error.log? what's the content of app.py? |
| 23:32.49 | un214 | kosaidpo: uid & gid match. the rest relates to system group id differences that don't matter |
| 23:32.54 | modem | is gpu issue? |
| 23:33.04 | themill | jparkton: I was just saying that this is #httpd being annoying because they're like that, not that we wouldn't help you |
| 23:33.05 | modem | i use proprietary drivers |
| 23:33.06 | un214 | I should know. I used to pass profiles back and forth |
| 23:33.07 | modem | catalyst |
| 23:33.08 | jparkton | tail: cannot open `error_log' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 23:33.19 | jparkton | theI see |
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| 23:33.29 | jparkton | meh themill I see |
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| 23:33.44 | NathanWWW | tpo: it wouldent find it on the usb drive so what is another option? |
| 23:33.45 | un214 | look the best thing to do is to boot single user and run fsck /home |
| 23:33.53 | kosaidpo | un214: so all shud be ok , but im goin nuts idk why i cant download that file correctly |
| 23:34.00 | un214 | I know. |
| 23:34.01 | NathanWWW | when it looks for the package it says its non compatible with the version of debian i'm installing (lenny) |
| 23:34.07 | nkuttler | jparkton: check your apache config what/where you're logging. |
| 23:34.09 | un214 | You probably have filesystem or disk damage. |
| 23:34.20 | tpo | kosaidpo, you are missing sambashare and adm groups in your new id |
| 23:34.23 | un214 | wait that file ... |
| 23:34.34 | un214 | one particular file or many random samples? |
| 23:34.35 | zerothis | I need to test a motorcycle design for stability. What's good Linux app that will let me build and test a virtual design? |
| 23:34.43 | kosaidpo | tpo: yeh but im not sure if its the same in debian |
| 23:34.47 | modem | hello? |
| 23:34.51 | tpo | that would be "sudo adduser kosaidpo adm" |
| 23:34.56 | un214 | tpo: I know it does not matter |
| 23:35.09 | thinkerweb | !dpkg override dns |
| 23:35.09 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 23:35.15 | kosaidpo | tpo: adm what dies it do ?? |
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| 23:35.32 | tpo | kosaidpo, grep adm /etc/groups |
| 23:35.33 | modem | !dpkg java |
| 23:35.34 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:35.38 | un214 | adm was how ubuntu decided who had sudo access at one time |
| 23:35.49 | modem | D: |
| 23:35.56 | modem | i had ubuntu 12.10 earlier today |
| 23:36.07 | modem | it was filled with amazon bloatware. |
| 23:36.09 | kosaidpo | ahh i see okies thanks |
| 23:36.10 | jparkton | here is app.py |
| 23:36.11 | jparkton | http://pastie.org/5433731 |
| 23:36.15 | un214 | kosaidpo: what's the URL for the file that you can't get? |
| 23:36.34 | tpo | NathanWWW, just a second, I'll try to find my notes |
| 23:36.50 | kosaidpo | un214: http://androtransfer.com/?developer=thewhisp&folder=tass its CM10 jealy bean |
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| 23:37.21 | themill | jparkton: I assume you have python-fcgi installed? |
| 23:37.32 | jparkton | yes |
| 23:37.43 | jparkton | oh wait |
| 23:37.54 | jparkton | I wget it maybe it isnt set up |
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| 23:38.08 | NathanWWW | thanks tpo |
| 23:38.18 | themill | jparkton: wget? "aptitude install python-fcgi" |
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| 23:38.37 | thinkerweb | I added "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and re-run dhclient but I don't see my append in the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 23:39.05 | themill | thinkerweb: what did you add that to? |
| 23:39.34 | tpo | NathanWWW, can't find them I'm sorry |
| 23:39.35 | jparkton | themill, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "python-fcgi" |
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| 23:39.52 | thinkerweb | themill, thx but I got it |
| 23:40.00 | themill | jparkton: oh, sorry, not in squeeze. |
| 23:40.12 | tpo | NathanWWW, what I did was to unpack the package, extract the files/drivers that the installer wanted |
| 23:40.21 | thinkerweb | I just deleted the contents of /etc/resolv.conf and added nameserver 8.8.8.8 to use googles and it was done |
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| 23:40.35 | kosaidpo | tpo: un214 what can i do or check to fix my issue ? |
| 23:40.49 | themill | thinkerweb: are you using dhcp there? did you configure your dhcp server or client to not override that? |
| 23:41.07 | tpo | NathanWWW, and I had to create a directory in / during the installation (Alt-F2 to get a terminal or such) and then to transfer those files to that directory |
| 23:41.13 | un214 | kosaidpo: the file's corrupt on the server |
| 23:41.23 | jparkton | oh joy |
| 23:41.35 | thinkerweb | themill, not sure what you mean, i just edited the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:41.41 | tpo | NathanWWW, I found out about the directory, by checking the error logs on one of the terminals |
| 23:41.42 | thinkerweb | themill, dhclient |
| 23:41.43 | themill | jparkton: so you're just popping fcgi.py in the same directory? |
| 23:41.51 | themill | thinkerweb: so you need to do what dpkg told you to do |
| 23:41.52 | kosaidpo | un214: did you download it if get this md5 then you're right |
| 23:41.54 | tpo | NathanWWW, the error would tell me where the installer was searching |
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| 23:42.03 | un214 | kosaidpo: I got a different md5 |
| 23:42.04 | NathanWWW | can i extract those files in windows to add to the usb drive? |
| 23:42.07 | thinkerweb | themill, it worked, I got it already now, thx |
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| 23:42.21 | tpo | NathanWWW, you can try, I do not know |
| 23:42.37 | themill | thinkerweb: I very much doubt that. Good luck though. |
| 23:42.45 | tpo | kosaidpo, did you try to download it on another computer? same problem? |
| 23:42.55 | un214 | kosaidpo: 138c2dfb976379047d9d999412f04f79 /tmp/cm-10-20121020-UNOFFICIAL-tass.zip |
| 23:43.09 | kosaidpo | noo tpo i tried with my phone but the download it failed |
| 23:43.14 | tpo | kosaidpo, otherwise just scp it from there then |
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| 23:43.30 | tpo | kosaidpo, and you do have free space on your phone? |
| 23:43.33 | tpo | df -h ... |
| 23:43.45 | kosaidpo | un214: yeh me too that s what iget 138.. but what makin me nuts i tried other file and its same |
| 23:44.14 | un214 | kosaidpo: The file is corrupted on the server. Contact the server operators. There's not much I can do. |
| 23:44.36 | kosaidpo | un214: hih yeh i do understand you confirm me that not alone |
| 23:44.49 | kosaidpo | ill try anothe dl and see ill see how thanks |
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| 23:45.35 | tpo | kosaidpo, that was a lot of effort... |
| 23:46.27 | KettleCooked | Is there a way to force an apt-get install to install as it was the first time installing it? Explanation: I apt-get installed software, then apt-get removed it. It left some files behind (I know this for certain), which I deleted. Later on when installing the same software, the files are not created a second time around. |
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| 23:46.48 | kosaidpo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.55 | tpo | :) |
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| 23:46.59 | un214 | KettleCooked: apt-get purge packagename followed by apt-get install packagename |
| 23:47.14 | nkuttler | !tell KettleCooked about confmiss |
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| 23:47.45 | KettleCooked | cool stuff |
| 23:49.04 | KettleCooked | nkuttler: do you know if there's an equivalent for bin files? binmiss? |
| 23:49.20 | un214 | Isn't the default for missing binaries to install them? |
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| 23:49.35 | isoman2kx | how do I get to configuring debian to connect to internet? |
| 23:49.37 | KettleCooked | I would think so too, but it aint working. |
| 23:49.39 | isoman2kx | it just shows 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:49.47 | nkuttler | KettleCooked: bin files? |
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| 23:50.00 | streuner | isoman2kx: connect via wlan or eth0? |
| 23:50.01 | KettleCooked | "bash: /usr/bin/php5: No such file or directory" |
| 23:50.04 | isoman2kx | eth0 |
| 23:50.17 | themill | KettleCooked: you need to install the php5-cli package for that one. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:50.18 | KettleCooked | after me apt-get installing php5. they're not reappearing |
| 23:50.19 | isoman2kx | I just installed a new mobo and I'm sure the thing is confused... I forget how to edit interfaces or whatever it is |
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| 23:50.32 | streuner | isoman2kx: would be, in most cases easy, if your chipset is supported... |
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| 23:50.53 | streuner | isoman2kx: we need to know whats the chipset, then... |
| 23:51.06 | streuner | isoman2kx: lspci should us then |
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| 23:51.14 | isoman2kx | intel h67 |
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| 23:51.28 | KettleCooked | themill: right on the money! |
| 23:52.48 | themill | KettleCooked: it's only specially marked "conffiles" that are treated differently by dpkg when reinstalling packages like that. Everything else just gets copied from the .deb into your installation |
| 23:52.53 | jimcooncat | how can I add bash completion for manpages? |
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| 23:53.29 | streuner | isoman2kx: are you able to tell us the output of lspci -nn | grep -i eth ? |
| 23:53.39 | themill | jimcooncat: the bash-completion package provides that |
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| 23:54.02 | isoman2kx | sure, one sec |
| 23:54.07 | jimcooncat | it says it's installed, but man <tab> just beeps at me |
| 23:55.01 | themill | jimcooncat: do you source the relevant bits of bash-completion? The default bashrc files do that, but you might not be. |
| 23:55.46 | isoman2kx | ethernet controller [0200]: intel corporation 82579v gigabit network connection [8086:1503] (rev 05) |
| 23:55.55 | jimcooncat | themill: I have no .bashrc apparently, but I do have a .profile |
| 23:56.05 | streuner | judd, pciid 8086:1503 |
| 23:56.06 | judd | [8086:1503] is '82579V Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1503 |
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| 23:56.46 | streuner | isoman2kx: according to judd, it should supported, even in squeeze, so its a conig thingie, IMO |
| 23:56.56 | streuner | s/conig/config/ |
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| 23:57.03 | themill | jimcooncat: bash doesn't necessarily use your .profile (you need to know the difference between an interactive shell, a login shell and a non-interactive shell). bash is quite weird in how it does this. |
| 23:57.25 | isoman2kx | s/conig/config |
| 23:57.27 | isoman2kx | is whati enter?> |
| 23:57.28 | jimcooncat | themill: I did find /etc/bash/bash.bashrc and a bash_completion and bash_completion.d there |
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| 23:57.52 | streuner | isoman2kx: nah, i just correct an typo |
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| 23:59.33 | isoman2kx | isn't there some way to edit the /etc/network/interfaces deal? |
