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| 00:04.21 | Justin | !doesn't work |
| 00:04.21 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 00:10.08 | afx | xD |
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| 00:12.17 | rootz | ok so if install KDE will my duel boot manger change |
| 00:12.32 | Mr_Sonoma | no |
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| 00:13.41 | Mr_Sonoma | i'm assuming your installing the KDE desktop on an already existing system and not a complete install of linux |
| 00:13.41 | rootz | hmmm ok and if i does like when i installed GNOME on my Ubuntu and now says it's a Debian |
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| 00:15.07 | rootz | umm Mr_sonoma. |
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| 00:16.00 | Mr_Sonoma | is that not what you are doing? |
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| 00:22.15 | mns | what sound system is supposed to be used for debian wheezy ? I get no sound from it whatsoever. This is a fresh install as of yesterday. Thinkpad T430 laptop. |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | the one you like? |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | i've been using pulse |
| 00:23.28 | mns | abrotman: pulse as in pulseaudio ? |
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| 00:38.17 | ahanes134 | Hello. I'm trying to install debian 64 bit but i need to find my mac address first. I noticed that ifconfig is not there. How would I go about finding my mac address? |
| 00:39.18 | comradekingu | ahanes134: you can find it if you are connected to a router in the clients list |
| 00:39.58 | ahanes134 | I am not connected to a router. It is a new machine and I need the mac address to register and connect to the network |
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| 00:40.30 | LtL | ahanes134: dmidecode may have it, if you have a linux installed |
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| 00:41.40 | LtL | ahanes134: it may also be printed on the device itself |
| 00:42.10 | ahanes134 | nope; I have no OS installed right now. I tried looking on the machine, but it isn't there. |
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| 00:43.00 | petemc | ahanes134: start the installer, switch to a shell and you should have ifconfig |
| 00:43.42 | ahanes134 | actually, never mind. It is in BIOS |
| 00:43.45 | ahanes134 | thanks however |
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| 00:56.44 | alusion | that awkward moment when you forgot your password |
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| 01:01.40 | Justin | alusion: that's now awkward. awkward is when your system reboots after being up for a few months and realizing you forgot the full disk encryption password |
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| 01:02.55 | alusion | and not writing it down somewhere? |
| 01:03.17 | alusion | oh G-GNU... |
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| 01:39.59 | mashed-updata | hi all, who do i inform that the security.debian.org server seems to be unavailable from NZ? |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | i'd imagine it's more a v6 issue? |
| 01:40.37 | dondelelcaro | mashed-updata: which particular server in the rotation? |
| 01:40.41 | mashed-updata | hey abrotman ... you are still around! |
| 01:40.45 | dondelelcaro | mashed-updata: or are they all not available? |
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| 01:40.49 | mashed-updata | dondelelcaro: wait ... |
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| 01:41.43 | mashed-updata | security squeeze is up, checking |
| 01:42.20 | mashed-updata | dondelelcaro: OK is back, was the nashira.anu.edu.au server |
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| 01:49.05 | dondelelcaro | mashed-updata: I think it might have just been down temporarily, but it should be accesible now |
| 01:49.19 | dondelelcaro | (that machine is restricted, though, so I can't say for certain) |
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| 01:58.57 | mashed-updata | dondelelcaro: thanks, was able to update/install |
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| 02:02.02 | satwood | If I have a script file that works fine and I put it in the cron.hourly folder is it expected to work fine and run every hour. Are there any special requirements for it to work other than a properly working script ? I see that when I manually run the scrip it works fine. But it is not running every hour although in cron.hourly |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | satwood: name of the script ? |
| 02:02.41 | satwood | abrotman: does the name matter ? it happens to be ss_restart_if_down |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | satwood: do you see a log entry that it has run? have you tried to have it 'touch' a file in /tmp/ |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:03.50 | satwood | abrotman: i put in crontab to email to root, there was some screwup earlier, i put it now |
| 02:04.00 | satwood | i'll try the touch file |
| 02:04.12 | satwood | but is the expectation "If I have a script file that works fine and I put it in the cron.hourly folder is it expected to work fine and run every hour. Are there any special requirements for it to work other than a properly working script ?" correct ? |
| 02:04.24 | dvs | satwood: scripts running from cron do not have the PATH set |
| 02:04.24 | dondelelcaro | satwood: yes, there are special requirements |
| 02:04.37 | dondelelcaro | satwood: man 5 run-parts for details. |
| 02:04.44 | satwood | can you please elaborate guys ? |
| 02:04.45 | dondelelcaro | err, man 8 run-parts, rather. |
| 02:04.51 | satwood | ok |
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| 02:05.30 | dondelelcaro | satwood: and the environment for cron jobs is also different, of course. |
| 02:06.06 | satwood | dondelelcaro: man 8 run-parts talks about LSB namespaces etc. is that for init or cron jobs too, i couldn't take away much though |
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| 02:06.23 | satwood | dondelelcaro: (environment) I am not using anything specific from env |
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| 02:06.48 | satwood | dondelelcaro: dvs: i am not using the PATH also |
| 02:07.30 | dondelelcaro | satwood: cron.hourly is run with run-parts --report. Thus, your script must be 1) executable, and it must consist entirely of ascii upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores and minus-hyphens. |
| 02:07.44 | dondelelcaro | satwood: this is all explained in the DESCRIPTION of the run-parts manpage which you should read. |
| 02:08.13 | satwood | dondelelcaro: ron.hourly is run with run-parts --report. Thus, your script must be 1) executable, and it must consist entirely of ascii upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores and minus-hyphens. |
| 02:08.18 | satwood | that part is met |
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| 02:08.31 | dondelelcaro | satwood: if you are running any non-shell-internal commands in your script, you are depending to some degree on the environment. |
| 02:08.47 | satwood | ok |
| 02:08.52 | dondelelcaro | whether or not you specifically use anything. |
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| 02:08.58 | satwood | let me post the script if you can take a quick look and let me know |
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| 02:11.09 | buu | Help! I performed an upgrade, as squeeze, and now get this error: shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl |
| 02:11.16 | buu | Something to do with sysvinit |
| 02:11.36 | Justin | buu: have you rebooted since the upgrade? |
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| 02:12.08 | buu | Nope, this is me trying to reboot! |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | buu: you ran away |
| 02:13.29 | buu | I did?! |
| 02:13.34 | maximi89 | hi guys, I have a problem with Filezilla, can't use it, it never opens, I tried with the version from repository and from the filezilla.org website |
| 02:13.38 | buu | abrotman: What did I miss? |
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| 02:14.06 | satwood | dondelelcaro: i put my crontab at http://pastebin.com/F9MfwUiM |
| 02:14.19 | buu | This is the apt-get message: Setting up sysvinit (2.88dsf-32) ...sysvinit: restarting...init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl |
| 02:15.40 | buu | abrotman: Explain this sysvinit madness please |
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| 02:16.30 | satwood | dondelelcaro: can you tell me if it is fine |
| 02:16.34 | satwood | in terms of logging |
| 02:16.41 | satwood | abrotman: ? |
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| 02:19.32 | satwood | is there any harm or downside to put all the cron directories (not crontab) into a different drive via symlink ? where the drive loads 2 mintues after the boot up ? (i don't have any @reboot problems assume) |
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| 02:19.47 | Justin | buu reboot -f |
| 02:20.05 | Justin | satwood: why would you do that? |
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| 02:21.14 | satwood | Justin: for convenience in creating some mulitple vms, i have a drive that remains same across them and includes all changes such this done on them. then have a script to simple delete the default cron.* and create a symlink |
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| 02:24.16 | buu | Justin: Thanks, that worked.. |
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| 02:34.23 | buu | HURRAY |
| 02:34.24 | buu | XEN ON DEBIAN |
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| 02:35.56 | abrotman | fix your bridging yet? |
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| 02:37.37 | buu | abrotman: Yes! |
| 02:37.41 | buu | I'm not sure I'm actually briding |
| 02:37.52 | buu | But with peters help I made dom0 masquerade |
| 02:38.04 | buu | And now my guests can talk to the whole internet |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:38.55 | blackfriday | buu, i won't pay for your vm service |
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| 02:42.38 | buu | blackfriday: =[ |
| 02:42.44 | Mike9863 | How can I make it so compiz/emerald is the default window manager on Wheezy with GNOME 3? Currently it's only showing metacity and twm when I run update-alternatives --config w-window-manager and I did gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz |
| 02:42.46 | buu | Well there goes my hopes and dreams. |
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| 02:43.46 | blackfriday | stabs buu in the bathroom |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | blackfriday: eh ..? |
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| 02:43.57 | blackfriday | :) |
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| 02:44.15 | wheezin | Hi. Just intalled Debian Wheezy. How do I put a shortcut to Iceweasel on the desktop? |
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| 02:44.53 | zykotick9 | Mike9863: how did you install compiz? it's been removed from wheezy. and emerald has been unsupported for quite some time... |
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| 02:45.23 | abrotman | wheezin: in what Desktop ? |
| 02:45.40 | wheezin | Gnome's |
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| 02:45.48 | wheezin | My desktop... |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | wheezin: do you have nautilus running? |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | if oyu're using gnome3, it's not in the sidebar? |
| 02:46.34 | wheezin | There's no sidebar. |
| 02:46.37 | wheezin | Yes, Gnome 3. |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | hit the start buttnon |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | the windows key .. sorry |
| 02:46.56 | wheezin | It said something about my hardware not supporting something when I first booted. |
| 02:47.02 | wheezin | Start button does nothing. |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | or move your mouse over the Activities in the top right |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | top left |
| 02:47.06 | zykotick9 | gnome3 fallback |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | right |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | wheezin: what's your video card? |
| 02:47.23 | wheezin | intel |
| 02:47.27 | wheezin | hd 3000 onboard thingy |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | it should be supported .. how did you install X and gnome? |
| 02:48.11 | wheezin | debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 02:48.14 | wheezin | ordinary install |
| 02:48.24 | gnarface | wheezy |
| 02:48.28 | wheezin | Basically pushing return till the end |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | wheezin: aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 02:49.13 | wheezin | It's installed already. |
| 02:49.47 | wheezin | wait, wait... sory |
| 02:49.50 | wheezin | sorry* |
| 02:49.56 | wheezin | that's not my video card, it's in a VM |
| 02:50.24 | wheezin | qemu-kvm... using -vga std |
| 02:50.55 | wheezin | Just so I get this right... this is not the way it's supposed to be, right?! |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | ah, that's why it doesn't work |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | or work in the correct way |
| 02:51.09 | wheezin | Hm. |
| 02:51.25 | wheezin | If I put it on a laptop, what should I expect? |
| 02:51.32 | wheezin | Is there going to be a side bar, like in Ubuntu? |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | depends on the video card |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | have you seen a picture of the gnome3 desktop ? |
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| 02:51.57 | wheezin | No. |
| 02:52.02 | wheezin | I shy away from that. |
| 02:52.04 | dvs | hides his eyes |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | from pictures? |
| 02:52.28 | wheezin | My actual desktop is a black screen, openbox. 66 MBs of RAM with X running. |
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| 02:52.46 | wheezin | Here's the thing... I need to install Linux on the director's laptop... |
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| 02:53.06 | wheezin | I asked if she wanted Ubuntu, she said either that or something else I liked. |
| 02:53.22 | diabel | ...Dear Santa, I want debian-hppa come back, please |
| 02:53.25 | wheezin | It's a core2duo with 2GB of RAM. |
| 02:53.49 | wheezin | Do you think the gadgets/widgets/whateveryoucallit will appear fine in her laptop? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:54.23 | wheezin | Great... 'cause if the thing is hard to use she's gonna knock on my door every friggin day. |
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| 02:55.14 | abrotman | she who? |
| 02:55.22 | wheezin | "She". |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | diabel: really? |
| 02:55.23 | blackfriday | your mom? |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | wheezin: i find gnome3 to be pretty easy to use |
| 02:55.49 | wheezin | Hm. |
| 02:55.54 | wheezin | I was starting to think this was normal... |
| 02:56.00 | wheezin | No bar, no desktop icons. |
| 02:56.04 | blackfriday | with any gnome forks, yes |
| 02:56.07 | wheezin | I heard so many crap about gnome 3. |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | wheezin: try it |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | blackfriday: do you need help? |
| 02:56.28 | blackfriday | unity sucks, not gnome 3 |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | blackfriday: do you need help? |
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| 02:56.45 | wheezin | I will... wanted to try it on a VM first... but clearly the graphics are not good enough. |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | so far you've been nothing but noise |
| 02:57.28 | wheezin | Thanks a lot, abrotman. |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | wheezin: obviously, there are other WMs you can try |
| 02:58.37 | wheezin | Hm. What's the default one? |
| 02:58.43 | wheezin | Is it still Metacity? |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | no |
| 02:59.10 | wheezin | Last time I used Gnome must have been with Etch. |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | and that would have been sawfish probably |
| 02:59.35 | wheezin | hm |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | maybe metacity .. dunno, i didn't like using metacity, so i switched mine to sawfish |
| 03:00.23 | wheezin | metacity was kind of decent... I guess. |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | missing some features i wanted |
| 03:01.31 | wheezin | I saw some pictures. |
| 03:01.40 | wheezin | I'm afraid of it being too heavy and slow. |
| 03:01.44 | wheezin | Perhaps I should try xfce... |
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| 03:02.19 | abrotman | you can |
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| 03:04.06 | wheezin | Did this guy chose this: http://goo.gl/INp7i ? |
| 03:04.23 | wheezin | It's Gnome 3. |
| 03:04.47 | wheezin | No sidebar, no nothing... kind of unusable without keyboard shortcuts. |
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| 03:05.43 | abrotman | the sidebar shows up when you hit the windows key or click Applicatoins |
| 03:05.51 | grothend1eck | wheezin: xfce is good, much better than gnome3 imho |
| 03:06.05 | grothend1eck | but this is off-topic so I will say no more on it |
| 03:06.19 | dvs | yeah |
| 03:06.26 | wheezin | hm. I've tried xfce. I liked it. |
| 03:06.37 | wheezin | lxde's decent too |
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| 03:07.03 | wheezin | I'm not sure if Debian has it as an install-time option?! |
| 03:07.38 | grothend1eck | I usually don't let the debian installer set up a desktop environment |
| 03:07.52 | grothend1eck | set all that up once it installs base system + SSH server |
| 03:08.06 | grothend1eck | because yeah it defaults to gnome |
| 03:08.43 | grothend1eck | that said" http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 03:08.52 | wheezin | Well, my personal installs are bare bones too. |
| 03:09.06 | wheezin | Absolutely nothing, not even base system utilities. |
| 03:09.06 | grothend1eck | there are install images that will do xfce/lxde by default intsead of gnome |
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| 03:10.14 | Mike9863 | zykotick9: I had it installed from squeeze. I installed emerald from the source. In any case, I'd like to use either as my default WM because it currently does gnome-shell. |
| 03:10.26 | wheezin | one last quick question... why does Debian call my install wheezy/sid? |
| 03:10.34 | abrotman | squeeze doesn't have gnome-shell |
| 03:10.38 | wheezin | I've only every used the Wheezy repos. |
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| 03:10.44 | abrotman | wheezin: because it's tsstill being developed |
| 03:11.22 | stew | wheezin: becuase packages typically migrate from unstable to testing without changing at all, so it only makes sense to upload it to unstable as "wheezy/sid" (perhaps testing/unstable would also work) |
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| 03:11.45 | abrotman | throws a mug full of beer at stew |
| 03:11.48 | stew | abrotman: aloha |
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| 03:12.50 | somiaj | that is cruel and unsual punishment to the beer |
| 03:13.11 | stew | giving me beer results to punishment to the beer, but that is not unusual |
| 03:13.22 | stew | wheezin: when we are very close to release a new base-files package with just "wheezy 7.0" or some such will be uploaded directly to wheezy |
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| 03:13.58 | wheezin | Hm. |
| 03:14.08 | wheezin | Is there a freeze date set? |
| 03:14.22 | abrotman | no |
| 03:14.45 | wheezin | I'm thinking of "migrating" to stable. |
| 03:14.51 | wheezin | By sticking to Wheezy once it's released. |
| 03:15.06 | cardamon | It's already in freeze. |
| 03:15.13 | stew | wheezin: the freeze date for wheezy? |
| 03:15.14 | cardamon | AFAIK. |
| 03:15.29 | wheezin | right |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | or, sorry, misread |
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| 03:15.37 | abrotman | already frozen, no release date set |
| 03:15.40 | stew | wheezin: the freeze happened in june 2012 |
| 03:15.55 | cardamon | It'll be ready when it's ready. |
| 03:15.59 | wheezin | Heh. I didn't even know. |
| 03:16.14 | grothendieck | "It'll be ready when it's ready" - Debian release philosophy |
| 03:16.30 | wheezin | Very... oriental. |
| 03:16.39 | grothendieck | It works |
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| 03:17.39 | wheezin | I wanted to use stable, but I don't like backports. |
| 03:17.50 | wheezin | I was thinking of using stable and compiling the newer things I need. |
| 03:17.55 | grothendieck | I wanted to use heroin, but I don't like needles |
| 03:18.10 | grothendieck | same thing I guess :P |
| 03:18.13 | somiaj | wheezin: that is what a backport is? So why don't you like using them? |
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| 03:18.40 | wheezin | I don't like the idea. |
| 03:18.48 | stew | wheezin: why do you want to compile these things yourself instead of having debian compile them for you? what is the difference? |
| 03:18.54 | somiaj | wheezin: but you just said you wanted to 'compile newer things you need' -- what do you think a backport is? |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | i think he means instead of using backports.debian.org |
| 03:19.16 | wheezin | Well, there are *some* differents... |
| 03:19.21 | stew | wheezin: like what? |
| 03:19.22 | wheezin | ask the Gentoo crowd. |
| 03:19.33 | wheezin | or the FreeBSD people. |
| 03:19.36 | abrotman | how would they know? |
| 03:20.08 | wheezin | I don't see the point of backports, that's all. |
| 03:20.14 | wheezin | I'm sure it's my fault. |
| 03:20.14 | pav5088 | Hi... I'm using lxde (wheezy) and although there's a wallpaper on my second screen, my mouse pointer changes back to an "X" and right-click does nothing... xrandr doesn't seem to detect my second monitor, nor lxrandr. I'm using 2 x ATI cards via fglrx |
| 03:20.28 | stew | wheezin: uh, but you are the one saying that you would backport stuff yourself? |
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| 03:20.52 | wheezin | yes. I compile a bunch of things already, so it wouldn't be a big deal. |
| 03:21.14 | themill | wheezin: "using stable and compiling the newer things I need" is just a long way of saying "make a backport". |
| 03:21.22 | stew | wheezin: you do it already… but you don't see the point of doing it |
| 03:21.39 | grothendieck | He doesn't see the point in downloading the pre-compiled deb packages I guess |
| 03:21.42 | wheezin | I don't see the poing of using the packages. |
| 03:21.44 | wheezin | Exactly. |
| 03:21.51 | wheezin | point* |
| 03:22.05 | themill | wheezin: why are you using debian at all then? |
| 03:22.07 | grothendieck | Though in this case, I'm not sure what is special about backports |
| 03:22.20 | wheezin | Because Debian is great. |
| 03:22.25 | grothendieck | when any package could simply be compiled by source |
| 03:22.44 | wheezin | Well, that takes time. |
| 03:22.45 | themill | wheezin: one of the great things about debian is package management. The more apt looks after your system the better. |
| 03:22.51 | wheezin | And updating the system is a hassle. |
| 03:23.02 | wheezin | I *do* use apt. |
| 03:23.22 | grothendieck | the more stuff compiled from source you have to manage by hand -- the greater the hassle |
| 03:23.35 | stew | wheezin: the exact same thing can be said for backports. compiling yourself instead of just using the pre-compiled version from backports takes time, and upgrading the system via apt-get is easier than updating stuff you compiled yourself |
| 03:23.35 | themill | wheezin: so you're making your own backported .debs so you can install them? |
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| 03:23.50 | wheezin | No... we're talking about many things at once here, |
| 03:24.03 | grothendieck | themill: I think he means like |
| 03:24.11 | grothendieck | clone the git repo, make ; make install |
| 03:24.12 | themill | wheezin: I think we're all very confused by now. |
| 03:24.25 | themill | grothendieck: that doesn't really count as "I use apt for everything" |
| 03:24.37 | grothendieck | he didn't say that |
| 03:24.39 | wheezin | No, not clone the repo... a tarball is fine. |
| 03:24.48 | grothendieck | ^ clone the repo or whatever |
| 03:24.57 | grothendieck | anyway |
| 03:25.08 | themill | which is still all moving away from "the more apt looks after your system the better" |
| 03:25.20 | wheezin | I think my point is I like to make my own backports, yes. |
| 03:26.07 | wheezin | So the stuff that doesn't belong to the distro will be kept at /usr/local |
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| 03:26.35 | wheezin | And the install will actually be Debian Stable. |
| 03:26.45 | thims | has anyone else had issues with firefox 17.0 running on debian 6.0.6? |
| 03:26.58 | grothendieck | firefox or iceweasel? |
| 03:27.14 | grothendieck | and what kind of issues? |
| 03:27.24 | themill | wheezin: that really is much more complicated than just using the precompiled backports |
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| 03:27.49 | grothendieck | such is life |
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| 03:27.53 | wheezin | No doubt about it. |
| 03:27.54 | blackfriday | iceweasel + gnash = perfect |
| 03:27.56 | thims | I get an error meesage about not being able to load lixpcom.so, no such file or directory. libxpcom.so is present and the right permissions. |
| 03:28.15 | thims | blackfriday: vimperator on iceweasel is a ridiculously old version. :/ |
| 03:28.21 | wheezin | I think you need another arch's libxpcom.so |
| 03:28.36 | wheezin | do you have xulrunner-10.0? |
| 03:28.39 | wheezin | themill: |
| 03:28.43 | wheezin | oops, thims |
| 03:28.44 | dvs | blackfriday: gnash doesn't work with YouTube for me. |
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| 03:28.59 | blackfriday | what? it works for me |
| 03:29.17 | thims | wheezin: dpkg shows 1.9.1. |
| 03:29.17 | blackfriday | gnash has its benifets |
| 03:29.27 | thims | I tried installing it first, but I have yet to compile from source. |
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| 03:29.35 | wheezin | huh?! |
| 03:29.36 | thims | gnash is goofey in comparisson. |
| 03:29.50 | blackfriday | you can use gnash to watch youtube without a cpu which has sse |
| 03:29.53 | wheezin | Did you get the right Firefox? |
| 03:30.09 | thims | wheezin: yeah, from what I can tell. |
| 03:30.12 | blackfriday | adobe flash plugin need sse |
| 03:30.15 | wheezin | What's your system? |
| 03:30.18 | wheezin | amd64? |
| 03:30.23 | thims | I am doubtful it is 64 as I am on a 32 OS. x86 |
| 03:30.29 | wheezin | hm |
| 03:30.45 | wheezin | try running ldconfig as root |
| 03:30.56 | themill | thims: iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net works just fine on squeeze. |
| 03:32.06 | thims | wheezin: agreed, I am using it currently. However I am using it with a mouse because the older version of vimperator that works with iceweasel works in a less then desirable manner. |
| 03:32.15 | wheezin | also try "ldd /path/to/firefox/firefox-bin |
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| 03:33.03 | thims | ldd makes no mention of libxpcom.so, it mentions what appears to be core libraries |
| 03:34.27 | thims | I thought about either compiling xulrunner from scratch or attempting to cross-compile another version or a nightly builds version of libxpcom.so. |
| 03:34.32 | thims | thoughts? |
| 03:34.38 | wheezin | hm. |
| 03:34.42 | wheezin | Nah, too much work. |
| 03:34.49 | thims | lol |
| 03:35.20 | wheezin | Mine shows nothing about libxpcom either. |
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| 03:35.31 | wheezin | But I do have the xulrunner-10.0 package. |
| 03:35.38 | thims | wheezin: firefox is running for you on 6.0.6? |
| 03:35.46 | thims | wheezin: from the repos? |
| 03:35.47 | wheezin | No, on Wheezy. |
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| 03:36.01 | wheezin | no, I don't use contrib/non-free repos |
| 03:36.12 | wheezin | I get the binaries from ff's website |
| 03:36.14 | themill | thims: firefox isn't in the repos at all; mozilla.debian.net contains that version of iceweasel. |
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| 03:38.01 | thims | damn, something about queeze then. :/ |
| 03:38.14 | thims | squeeze* |
| 03:38.44 | zykotick9 | thims: i'm running squeeze with iceweasel 17, on 64bit - seems to work just fine... |
| 03:39.28 | wheezin | maybe firefox 17 doesn't work with xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 03:39.40 | thims | zykotick9: do you know does mozilla package 32/64 together or do they offer the appropriate package based off of javascript/user agent upon downloading? |
| 03:39.53 | themill | thims: have you visited mozilla.debian.net yet? |
| 03:40.06 | zykotick9 | thims: i use mozilla.debian.net - how mozilla does it? i have no idea. |
| 03:40.13 | thims | I have, I just prefer to run firefox over iceweasel. |
| 03:40.21 | zykotick9 | lame |
| 03:40.28 | abrotman | shouldn't he be asking Mozilla to fix their stuff? |
| 03:40.29 | themill | thims: we prefer not to make useless work for ourselves |
| 03:40.43 | thims | firefox and flash are the two exceptions I step away from the repos on. |
| 03:41.01 | wheezin | Same here. |
| 03:41.09 | abrotman | thims: tha'ts a bit silly, the package can download the newest flash every day if you want |
| 03:41.16 | wheezin | Except flash is disabled 99% of the time. |
| 03:41.20 | thims | understood. I may change my views on that or I am doing something wrong. I just prefer firefox because it is more compatible with the add-on versions. |
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| 03:41.51 | themill | thims: I'm yet to find an add-on that checks the icon. There's no difference. |
| 03:41.57 | dvs | that deserves a "pal" |
| 03:42.28 | un214 | I'm running stock firefox |
| 03:42.29 | thims | themill: then I must be running a bad version of iceweasel or doing something ignorant. |
| 03:42.40 | wheezin | you can install xulrunner-10.0 from squeeze-backports |
| 03:42.41 | thims | vimperator on iceweasel != vimperator on firefox |
| 03:42.44 | wheezin | that'll probably work |
| 03:42.55 | un214 | I got sick of non-response from debian about iceweasel bugs |
| 03:43.21 | thims | wheezin: I will probably try that route. thanks. |
| 03:43.23 | themill | thims: you're running iceweasel 3.5... and we've now spent the last 15 minutes trying to get you to run iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net. Have you been to that site yet?> |
| 03:44.01 | thims | themill: I have indeed, just weighing out if I want that route or I want to toil for the possability of contentment. |
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| 03:44.13 | thims | toil/labor depending |
| 03:44.22 | themill | contentment comes in the form of an icon? |
| 03:44.39 | wheezin | What are you saying? That an icon makes no difference? |
| 03:44.45 | wheezin | Slippery slope here. |
| 03:44.52 | thims | nope, contentment comes in the form of firefox. |
| 03:44.56 | thims | iceweasel != firefox |
| 03:45.00 | themill | *sigh* |
| 03:45.06 | dvs | ha! |
| 03:45.27 | un214 | In my case, it turned out to be iceweasel = out of date firefox, but it took six months to get a response about a bug |
| 03:45.33 | themill | please feel free to ask mozilla about it then. iceweasel works fine in debian and works fine with any extensions I've ever sought to run with it. |
| 03:45.58 | themill | un214: please stop perpetuating myths about iceweasel being an out of date firefox. You're not helping anyone here. |
| 03:46.18 | un214 | themill it was true at the time and the response was so bad I won't run iceweasel again |
| 03:46.34 | themill | un214: I'm sure the mozilla packaging team would be more than happy for more volunteers. |
| 03:47.03 | un214 | themill: I just pulled it down from mozilla's ftp site |
| 03:47.25 | un214 | I could make the package but can't spare the bandwidth to host it |
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| 03:47.40 | themill | gives up |
| 03:47.50 | stew | un214: there are old iceweasel packages, there are newer, there are ones which some might consider out of date, there are some which few would consider out of date. I don't doubt that you had problems with an iceweasel package derived from an old firefox, but I doubt that there wasn't a newer one available that might have fixed your problems |
| 03:48.00 | thims | My primary issue is iceweasel uses vimperator 2.3.1, firefox uses vimperator v3.5 |
| 03:48.17 | thims | if it were not for vimperator, I would most likely be content with iceweasel. |
| 03:48.19 | themill | thims: *which* iceweasel. Be specific. |
| 03:48.32 | un214 | stew: there was a newer version even when I reported the bug, but I didn't know, couldn't find out and got told it was an upstream problem despite the fact the current stock firefox didn't reproduce the bug |
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| 03:48.41 | thims | 3.5.16, what the repos provided from squeeze |
| 03:48.47 | wheezin | It seems the page themill sent you does give you an up-to-date Iceweasel. |
| 03:48.50 | themill | thims: we've been through this a number of times now. |
| 03:49.22 | thims | well I am more or less sharing viewpoints at this present moment, I have not denied his suggestion. |
| 03:49.41 | thims | just elaborating to the righteous. :) |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | un214: you're here constantly. can't imagine someone here couldn't have pointed you at the mozilla.debia.net repo |
| 03:49.42 | themill | thims: if you want newer plugins that aren't compatible with the older iceweasel, then you need a newer iceweasel. This is no different to newer plugins being incompatible with an old firefox and you refusing to update to a newer firefox. |
| 03:49.52 | wad | Any of you guys know much about iptables? I've finally decided to bite the bullet and figure it out. But I'm confused about a couple of things. :-/ |
| 03:50.00 | un214 | abrotman: they did. six.months.later |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | wad: #netfilter is probably more help |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | un214: sure sure .. |
| 03:50.11 | wad | Okay, thanks! |
| 03:50.27 | wheezin | wad: netfilter.org |
| 03:50.27 | thims | wad: somewhat, whats up? |
| 03:50.38 | wheezin | the how-to's are short but a very good introduction. |
| 03:50.41 | wad | I'm over in #netfilter, thims. Join me! :) |
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| 03:51.22 | wheezin | In many cases, extracting the .xpi, changing the version in the manifest file and repackaging it works for plugins. |
| 03:51.38 | wheezin | Althought it's a bit dirty. |
| 03:51.40 | stew | oh boy |
| 03:51.58 | thims | lol |
| 03:52.20 | wheezin | I mean that when a new version of the browser refuses to run an "old" plugin. |
| 03:52.30 | wheezin | addon* |
| 03:53.25 | themill | looks for a harder desk to hit his head against |
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| 03:54.14 | un214 | I thought themill was wise when he said he gave up |
| 03:55.46 | wheezin | Head bang all you want. |
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| 03:56.08 | wheezin | The Iceweasel in the Debian repos *is* an old, rebranded Firefox... that's where the myth originates. |
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| 03:56.55 | thims | second that |
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| 03:57.23 | thims | it's not necessarily bad, but don't call gold poop if it is not poop. |
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| 03:58.43 | un214 | that was weird seeing my own quit message with no ping reply |
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| 03:59.39 | thims | wad: if you want persistance, make an init script, store you iptables rules in it and add it to a runlevel. |
| 03:59.54 | thims | I believe there is a package to provide this also. |
| 03:59.56 | wad | Ah, okay! I think I have one, from years ago when my buddy helped me set this up. |
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| 04:00.21 | moty66_ | where is /etc/hostname in debian ? |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | /etc/hostname |
| 04:00.34 | stew | moty66_: /etc/hostname |
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| 04:00.45 | wheezin | Now I need a desk. |
| 04:00.52 | moty66_ | why I don't have it? is it normal? |
| 04:01.04 | stew | moty66_: dunno, no |
| 04:01.16 | thims | wad: iptables-restore may be helpful also |
| 04:01.25 | wad | ok |
| 04:01.35 | wad | I found the script. Reading it now. |
| 04:01.49 | thims | I prefer /etc/init.d/firewall and not run it as a daemon, but you could easily setup a start/stop/reload/etc |
| 04:02.04 | thims | wad: /etc/init.d/skeleton will be quite handy also. |
| 04:02.08 | stew | wad: you wouldn't want the init script to be the thing that installs iptables rules, do that in a pre-up script in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:02.19 | wad | ok |
| 04:02.24 | stew | perhaps an init script could make sense for saving rules though? |
| 04:02.34 | wad | I've got a rc.firewall-iptables file..... |
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| 04:03.41 | stew | thims: not run what a a daemon? |
| 04:04.03 | thims | the firewall script. I guess I should say "daemon". Actually nevermind that statement. |
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| 04:04.42 | stew | thims: so you have /etc/init.d/firewall that installs your firewall rules? |
| 04:04.52 | thims | indeed. |
| 04:04.54 | wheezin | I put mine at rc.local |
| 04:05.18 | stew | thims: wheezin: realize that this means that you start stuff without the firewall rules in place |
| 04:05.22 | thims | /etc/init.d/firewall is essentially a skeleton init.d script that I store my rules in, then it allows easy use with update-rc.d |
| 04:05.31 | wheezin | Not a big deal. |
| 04:05.35 | stew | and that the better way is to have the firewall rules installed BEFORE the network is brought up |
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| 04:05.46 | stew | wheezin: what do the firewall rules do? |
| 04:05.55 | wheezin | Block almost everything. |
| 04:05.59 | stew | why? |
| 04:06.08 | wheezin | Because that's the point of a firewall. |
| 04:06.23 | thims | it would depend on what runlevel it is in would it not? |
| 04:06.23 | stew | so you have a firewall that sometimes blocks everything and sometimes doesn't |
| 04:06.28 | stew | thims: no |
| 04:06.32 | wheezin | Exactly. |
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| 04:07.00 | stew | seems like if you want fiewall rules to block almost everything, the almost everything you want blocked, you'd wan't blocked all of the time, instead of some of the time |
| 04:07.18 | wheezin | Maybe. |
| 04:07.38 | thims | hmm, I am going to fix this. |
| 04:08.14 | wheezin | Not the run leven, thims, but I suppose you would want to run it before networking. |
| 04:08.22 | wheezin | level* |
| 04:08.23 | un214 | I found it doesn't really matter too much if the firewall rules don't kick in until later, as they still kick in before any network services do |
| 04:08.47 | un214 | of course if you're configured for stealth mode there's a window |
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| 04:09.06 | thims | my firewall script is ran prior to my networking script, so I think things are cool. |
| 04:09.16 | stew | when you can put a single line into the network config that installs the rules before the network is brought up, I cannot imaging why you'd want to go through the trouble of creating a valid init script just to delay the installation of the firewall rules to sometime later |
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| 04:10.00 | wheezin | I don't like the bunch of things people put in network/interfaces |
| 04:10.14 | thims | I believe at the present moment and the manner I do it in, the network card may be recognized by the kernel but is not worth anything to the kernel. |
| 04:10.23 | wheezin | I do my bridging, dns, wpa, all separate |
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| 04:11.24 | cthuluh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:11.25 | cthuluh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.37 | stew | cthuluh: change that to pre-up |
| 04:11.43 | un214 | nice one cthuluh until you crash |
| 04:11.48 | thims | wheezin: probably makes administration easier if you know what your doing. |
| 04:12.02 | cthuluh | stew: hmmm, will think about it |
| 04:12.09 | cthuluh | un214: I don't get it |
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| 04:12.34 | thims | cthuluh: you maintain the iptables rules in a perfect environment with no error handling. Essentially. |
| 04:12.36 | wheezin | thims: putting it at /etc/network probably makes it easier. |
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| 04:12.47 | un214 | anyway it kind of makes sense to load an early drop-all rule, and a permit all rule for localhost->localhost very early on so it doesn't matter which order the network and firewall scripts run in |
| 04:13.11 | dioz | what package is DIG in? |
| 04:13.14 | un214 | cthuluh: when you crash your firewall rules are reset to what they were when you last booted (or restarted networking) |
| 04:13.18 | stew | dioz: whois |
| 04:13.18 | cthuluh | thims: which error handling? |
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| 04:13.27 | stew | dioz: no, i lied |
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| 04:13.31 | cthuluh | un214: yeah. whta do you expect? |
| 04:13.38 | dioz | i know you did |
| 04:13.46 | stew | dioz: dnsutils |
| 04:13.56 | dioz | you sure now? |
| 04:13.59 | dioz | =p |
| 04:14.00 | un214 | cthuluh: I normally have a saved script to apply them |
| 04:14.39 | stew | un214: like cthuluh does, then? |
| 04:14.41 | cthuluh | un214: what value does it add, in case of, say, power failure? |
| 04:14.42 | thims | oufo: a metaphor for logic. If you crash, how are the rules going to be retores if they were not saved? Or are you using that example as psuedo code? |
| 04:15.01 | un214 | cthuluh: well if it was a week from last change to power failure mine are already saved |
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| 04:15.29 | cthuluh | un214: what prevents you from running iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables by hand? |
| 04:15.31 | thims | cthuluh: * |
| 04:15.52 | cthuluh | thims: this is no pseudo-code |
| 04:15.55 | un214 | cthuluh: I suppose I could. I'm basically editing the saved file then running iptables-restore |
| 04:16.16 | cthuluh | so... |
| 04:16.19 | un214 | (the script is actually a sh script that invokes iptables with the specific directives) |
| 04:16.35 | cthuluh | I have two lines of config that do basically what your possibly buggy scripts do |
| 04:16.55 | cthuluh | un214: does this script preserve counters, |
| 04:17.01 | cthuluh | s/,/? |
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| 04:17.16 | un214 | no. I didn't care about counters. |
| 04:17.37 | stew | un214: how does having this script do any better for crashes than his iptables-restore? |
| 04:18.00 | un214 | stew: only in the case of oops they weren't saved by the last admin and the power went out a week later |
| 04:18.30 | un214 | I keep backups but I'm sure cthuluh does too |
| 04:18.33 | stew | un214: I don't see how there is any difference between the two |
| 04:18.37 | wheezin | If it's that important power shouldn't go out. |
| 04:18.52 | cthuluh | un214: sure |
| 04:19.28 | un214 | wheezin: until PG&E unplugs it without telling us, and the alarm system fails so fast it can't get a message out so by the time we get in the upses are drained |
| 04:19.31 | wheezin | Power failures should be forbidden! |
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| 04:21.22 | un214 | oh yes I keep comments in my script. cthuluh's script can't have any commens |
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| 04:21.26 | un214 | comments |
| 04:22.08 | cthuluh | huh |
| 04:22.25 | un214 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.26 | cthuluh | if I cared about comments I wouldn't but them inside the script |
| 04:22.42 | cthuluh | s/but/put |
| 04:22.52 | un214 | ah you just have them somewhere else fair enough |
| 04:23.07 | themill | is "I save my iptables rules *this* way" the new form of "my uptime is *this* big"? |
| 04:23.24 | un214 | no |
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| 04:23.46 | un214 | just some tangent that probably should have been in offtopic |
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| 04:23.52 | subb1 | HI all. |
| 04:24.20 | cthuluh | themill: methods and hints about how to maintain a firewall are now just masturbation? fun... |
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| 04:25.20 | themill | if only there were "methods and hits" is this discussion rather than just "my way is the one true way" |
| 04:25.42 | subb1 | I'm learning on /etc/localtime file. Some sites say /etc/localtime is symlinked to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern ... while some sites say to symlink /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern to /etc/locatime ? which is correct? |
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| 04:26.57 | themill | !tz |
| 04:26.57 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 04:27.07 | themill | subb1: ^^ on debian, you wouldn't do either of these |
| 04:28.45 | maximi89 | I have a problem with Filezilla because it doesn't open... don't know why happened this |
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| 04:30.06 | subb1 | themill, thanks. So I can safely remove /etc/localtime because /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ is being copied to /etc/ as localtime. I want to make timzone on all my servers the same. |
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| 04:31.26 | themill | subb1: how many machines do you have to do this on? |
| 04:31.39 | un214 | for each ssh loop? |
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| 04:31.50 | themill | (note that you should also update /etc/timezone) |
| 04:32.15 | subb1 | themill, 7 systems. they are located geogrphically apart. |
| 04:32.37 | themill | subb1: so just running "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" on each of them would be simplest. |
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| 04:33.48 | subb1 | themill, sure I'm going for your option. But I'm planning to run an ntpd server for autosync with cron. |
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| 04:34.38 | themill | ntpd doesn't need cron (but other things might) and ntpd doesn't need the tz set the same on each machine. |
| 04:35.51 | subb1 | themill, okay. I would like to know what generates /etc/localtime file though. |
| 04:36.31 | themill | subb1: the postinst maintainer script of the "tzdata" package -- you can look at what it does in /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst if you want. |
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| 04:41.40 | subb1 | themill, thanks :) |
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| 04:49.38 | civillian | !82579LM |
| 04:49.38 | dpkg | Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) are supported by the in-tree <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36 and in Debian Squeeze since the <6.0.3> point release (Debian bug #627700). These include the 82579LM (PCI ID 8086:1502) and 82579V (PCI ID 8086:1503). Ask me about <install debian>. |
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| 04:50.26 | civillian | Hmm. My gig card is only coming up at 100meg, I think there is a known issue with 82579LM.. Can anyone else confirm this? |
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| 04:57.03 | thims | To those who care, it was xulrunner-1.9.1, installing xulrunner-10.0 from backports fixed the issue correctly. |
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| 04:59.33 | DavidScherer | How can I check to see if Port 80 is blocked from certain IP addresses |
| 05:01.36 | stew | DavidScherer: by inspecting the output of "iptables -L -n" or "iptables-save" perhaps |
| 05:01.53 | DavidScherer | Ah, let me try that. |
| 05:04.34 | DavidScherer | stew: I don't see anything that looks like an IP in either command, I'm assuming this means no IPs are blocked? |
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| 05:05.50 | stew | DavidScherer: that means that there are no firewall rules specific to any one ip on THAT machine. it of course says nothing about any other router/firewall that might be between the two machines |
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| 05:08.15 | DavidScherer | stew: Well, my T-Mobile phone can't access port 80 on my VPS but can access SSH and HTTP over port 81. I'm just trying to do everything I can to eliminate anything that might be a problem on My side. |
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| 05:08.33 | DavidScherer | It appears at this point this is all T-Mobile's issue. |
| 05:09.02 | DavidScherer | Though why they would block my VPS, of all the other sites in the world, I don't know. |
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| 05:09.57 | stew | no less likely than you would block yourself :) |
| 05:10.35 | DavidScherer | The only thing that makes sense at this point is I somehow managed to inherit an IP address that was abusive in the past or is part of a pool that is currently abusive. |
| 05:10.54 | atomfire | DavidScherer: what's happening? |
| 05:11.07 | stew | DavidScherer: are you getting a timeout or connection refused? |
| 05:11.08 | DavidScherer | atomfire: HTTP 504 Gateway Timeout |
| 05:11.19 | atomfire | hm |
| 05:11.26 | stew | that means you are talking to SOMEONE |
| 05:11.32 | stew | successfully |
| 05:11.37 | DavidScherer | Apache access logs don't even show the hit. |
| 05:12.01 | DavidScherer | When I try to access the same site via WiFi or on port 81, works just fine. |
| 05:12.22 | stew | sounds like a broken http proxy |
| 05:12.30 | DavidScherer | (I have a duplicate vHost set up for *:81) |
| 05:12.37 | blackfriday | lol |
| 05:12.55 | DavidScherer | stew: ? |
| 05:13.13 | stew | DavidScherer: it sounds to me that you are talking to a broken web proxy |
| 05:13.25 | DavidScherer | I wasn't aware I was using a proxy? |
| 05:13.58 | stew | tmobile is probably forcing port 80 traffic over a proxy of theirs |
| 05:14.01 | DavidScherer | But why would it be broken for that IP/TLD alone? |
| 05:14.27 | stew | probably only tmobile could answer this question |
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| 05:14.47 | DavidScherer | Well, tomorrow is the "At the latest" date for them to get back to me about this. |
| 05:15.04 | stew | but the fact that you get a http response to a http request makes it sound like you are talking to *something* |
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| 05:16.16 | DavidScherer | It's just such a weird problem. |
| 05:16.38 | DavidScherer | I'm tempted to contact another hosting company and have a second VM provisioned just see what happens. |
| 05:16.57 | safridzal | my grub didnt show grub background anymore, i've copied the pict (png) to /boot/grub/ then run "sudo update-grub" and that command perfectly detect the image file, but on reboot, theres no image background.. any suggestion?? |
| 05:17.29 | safridzal | on konsole, it say : Found background image: skripsi640.png |
| 05:17.46 | safridzal | but on reboot, i only get black background.. |
| 05:19.20 | stew | DavidScherer: i have a tmobile phone here if you want me to try to hit something |
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| 05:19.42 | DavidScherer | stew: Sure: http://edge.socialdrinkr.com |
| 05:20.36 | DavidScherer | I'm running the GS3 with Jelly. |
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| 05:21.01 | stew | DavidScherer: i get a "Bugify" login |
| 05:21.06 | DavidScherer | The guy at the Call Center I talked to used the same device with the same results as myself. |
| 05:21.08 | stew | after a redirect to /log |
| 05:21.36 | DavidScherer | Did you try it on 80? |
| 05:21.43 | stew | yes |
| 05:21.47 | DavidScherer | And can you tell me your Device/version? |
| 05:21.51 | stew | i didn't specify a port, so yes |
| 05:22.14 | stew | its CM9 (stable) that I installed today on a i777 |
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| 05:22.24 | DavidScherer | Cool. So it's just affected on GS3 running Jelly Bean. Great. |
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| 05:22.47 | DavidScherer | stew: You're using the GS3 as well? |
| 05:23.47 | stew | i don't know what GS3 is, so probably not. I have a i777 which is the at&t version of galaxy 2 |
| 05:24.06 | DavidScherer | Ah, you have the GS2. :P |
| 05:24.18 | DavidScherer | GS3 == Samsung Galaxy S III |
| 05:24.48 | DavidScherer | I didn't recognize the i777 model No. at first. :S |
| 05:25.21 | DavidScherer | But it looked Galaxy S ____ -ish. |
| 05:25.42 | alusion | Yo |
| 05:25.46 | DavidScherer | Ho |
| 05:25.47 | subb1 | I just setup ntpd on my debian. I like to user pool.ntp.org. So from here http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html I get the list of servers. But on my /etc/ntp.conf I already have [0-3].debian.pool.ntp.org . Which ones do I select? |
| 05:26.23 | alusion | I'm booting up knoppix cuz I need to reset my password, I know I can access the encrypted hash in the /etc/.shadow something.. can anyone help me out? |
| 05:26.31 | stew | DavidScherer: i'd guess that your problem is that whatever proxy your are talking to is having routing problems to wherever your server is |
| 05:26.37 | stew | DavidScherer: and that it would be temporary |
| 05:27.09 | stew | alusion: what do you mean by "access"? |
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| 05:27.33 | DavidScherer | stew: thanks a million man, You're awesome and have given me a few new topics of discussion for my call with T-Mobile tomorrow. |
| 05:27.34 | stew | alusion: do you mean "decrypt"? "replace"? "view the encrypted hash"? |
| 05:27.41 | alusion | Delete it |
| 05:27.42 | stew | DavidScherer: :) |
| 05:27.55 | stew | alusion: delete it so there is no longer a valid password at all? |
| 05:28.03 | alusion | yeah dude I forgot mine |
| 05:28.11 | alusion | And I didn't write it down |
| 05:28.17 | stew | alusion: do you just want to make sure that nobody, including you can login using the password? |
| 05:29.15 | alusion | Nah don't care for that, just gotta reset it really |
| 05:29.36 | stew | !ifrp |
| 05:29.36 | alusion | Also gotta install windows on it.. |
| 05:29.36 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 05:29.41 | alusion | x_x |
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| 05:30.22 | stew | i'd really recommend the above using debian instead of editing shadow by hand |
| 05:31.25 | stew | its too bad that vipw -s doens't have a way to edit something other than /etc/shadow (like /target/etc/shadow FE) for this type of thing |
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| 05:33.13 | alusion | So login at the GRUB? |
| 05:33.47 | stew | login? |
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| 05:34.13 | alusion | sorry, edit the kernel settings |
| 05:34.19 | stew | hit 'e' just after grub starts, when it is asking you which kernel to boot |
| 05:34.20 | CpuID3 | hey ppls? seem to be getting RTNETLINK answers: File exists repeatedly when trying to use ethX.Y VLAN trunked ports in wheezy? any suggestions? |
| 05:34.23 | CpuID3 | tried most of the google options so far... |
| 05:34.25 | CpuID3 | still having issues |
| 05:34.50 | alusion | Aite cool |
| 05:34.52 | stew | CpuID3: can you be more specific than "use ethX.Y VLAN trunked ports"? |
| 05:35.11 | CpuID3 | as in, add an interface to /etc/network/interfaces of something like "iface eth1.123 inet static" |
| 05:35.16 | CpuID3 | with some ip details etc |
| 05:35.33 | CpuID3 | i get the trying to add VLAN #123 to IF -:eth1:- error: File exists |
| 05:35.44 | CpuID3 | which after digging is actually "ip" returning it from RTNETLINK i believe |
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| 05:36.07 | CpuID3 | trying to use ifup eth1.123 as my test |
| 05:36.29 | stew | what is calling ip? |
| 05:36.33 | CpuID3 | ifup |
| 05:36.44 | CpuID3 | sec let me run it with -v |
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| 05:36.49 | stew | an up/post-up/pre-up rule? |
| 05:37.03 | CpuID3 | according to -v, ethtool, vlan |
| 05:37.04 | CpuID3 | actually |
| 05:37.07 | CpuID3 | let me remove the vlan package |
| 05:37.11 | CpuID3 | vlan could be creating it with vconfig first |
| 05:37.17 | CpuID3 | and then ip would complain |
| 05:37.19 | CpuID3 | sounds logical |
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| 05:50.24 | subb1 | On my debian I had ntpdate already. but installed ntpd and is up and running. So now do I have to manually initate a time sync for ntpd or will ntpd adjust time sync automatically? |
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| 05:51.17 | wols_ | subb1: ntpd will adjust automatically |
| 05:51.23 | wols_ | when it's running of course. |
| 05:51.33 | subb1 | wols_, great. I have it running already :) |
| 05:51.45 | cardamon | subb1: Quit spamming multiple channels. |
| 05:52.14 | cardamon | It's really annoying you shotgun a question like that. |
| 05:52.29 | subb1 | cardamon, only 2 channels and wasn't spamming. Buts orry abt that |
| 05:52.42 | cardamon | 2 in the span of a minute is 1 too many. |
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| 05:56.26 | ashes | hello |
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| 05:57.59 | ashes | i would like to forward my http traffic to my shell account. i used the 'ssh -ND' command, but it binds to the default ip on the server, and i need something that will bind outgoing traffic to my dedicated ip. i would like to hear suggestions |
| 05:58.57 | ashes | i need an http proxy that will bind to a local outgoing ip on the server |
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| 05:59.32 | srg | any tips on mounting my cell phone via usb? heh |
| 05:59.58 | ashes | srg: jellybean doesn't do that anymore |
| 06:00.29 | ashes | srg: install lildebi, and use scp |
| 06:00.46 | ashes | srg: install f-droid, and use that to install lildebi |
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| 06:03.06 | srg | ah ok |
| 06:03.18 | srg | it's not an android if that matters |
| 06:03.30 | srg | it's just a regular phone with a usb connection that works in windows |
| 06:03.49 | ashes | then i don't know. it should do that automatically |
| 06:03.55 | srg | hm |
| 06:04.34 | srg | i don't have any automount thing running...this is a really minimal system running on a raspberry pi |
| 06:04.40 | srg | to further complicate things, haha |
| 06:05.00 | ashes | dmesg and look for a new umass storage device |
| 06:05.14 | srg | yeah, it does come up |
| 06:05.20 | ashes | then mount it |
| 06:05.20 | srg | and lsusb shows it, device 9 |
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| 06:06.24 | ashes | dmesg|grep -e "/dev/" |
| 06:06.44 | srg | http://pastebin.ca/2255986 |
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| 06:07.42 | ashes | i don't know what the device name is. it could be anything |
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| 06:09.13 | ashes | you may have to configure the phone to behave as a storage device |
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| 06:42.49 | eindoofus | hi, I have a Samsung SSD 830 series drive on the way and I'd really like to abandon Windows, however, do Debian distros have SSD support upon install, or am I going to have to do crazy tweaks for the OS not to kill the drive? |
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| 06:47.33 | wad | What's that iptables channel called again? |
| 06:47.45 | wad | net-something |
| 06:48.27 | MrFrood | wad: #netfilter |
| 06:48.33 | wad | That's it, thanks! |
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| 06:50.10 | eindoofus | back to windows I guess :( |
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| 06:50.21 | blackfriday | hide the god-like scripts |
| 06:50.28 | MrFrood | eindoofus: hang on a mo |
| 06:51.46 | lusers | He sure didn't stay around long enough. |
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| 06:53.59 | MrFrood | there are several people that hang round here that usessd's but it's a bit early for them yet. As I understand it as long as you install on an ext4 particion you should be ok but you will probably want to do a few tweaks post install. If you ask later in the day you will probably get a better answer. |
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| 06:54.33 | MrFrood | damn he went |
| 06:55.00 | somiaj | I think you need to disable atime and a few other things, not sure if debian will detect an ssd and do that by default (my guess is no) |
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| 06:57.56 | blackfriday | you can edit fstab in any time, but be carefully |
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| 07:17.03 | wad | I've redone my iptables. |
| 07:17.22 | wad | There now exists a file in /etc/network/iptables that has all the goodness in it. I just don't know how to tell debian to run it on boot. |
| 07:17.41 | wad | I can kick it with iptables-apply (no arguments; it looks for that file in that location) |
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| 07:19.22 | niels1 | wad, you can run the command in /etc/rc.local or write your own initscript |
| 07:19.35 | wad | ok |
| 07:19.46 | wad | looks in rc.local |
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| 07:47.26 | future28 | Hey, can someone help me install java 1.7 for eclipse on squeeze with the latest kernel? |
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| 07:57.45 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 07:57.46 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7u3-2.1.3-1; wheezy: 7u3-2.1.3-1; experimental: 7u9-2.3.3-1 |
| 07:58.42 | somiaj | future28: looks like your options for openjdk 7 are to backport it yourself. You can always try to install the java from orcal locally (put it in /usr/local). As for latest kernel you want to get the kernel from squeeze-backports (checkout backports.debian.org) |
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| 08:15.12 | cardamon | Ugh, I accidentally mixed up my locations while rsyncing and got a big hunk of .files in my home directory that I don't want...I don't suppose it would have backup up anything? |
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| 08:17.17 | cardamon | Huh. Actually, it looks like I caught it before it wrote. |
| 08:17.21 | future28 | Hey, can someone help me install java 1.7 for eclipse on squeeze with the latest kernel? I asked this a few minutes ago but irc crashed and I saw no replies |
| 08:17.23 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.40 | cardamon | 02:54 < somiaj> future28: looks like your options for openjdk 7 are to backport it yourself. You can always try to install the java from orcal locally (put it in /usr/local). As for latest kernel you want to get the kernel from squeeze-backports (checkout backports.debian.org) |
| 08:17.47 | future28 | Thanks for that! |
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| 08:24.22 | future28 | I keep getting Package openjdk-7-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:24.23 | future28 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 08:24.25 | future28 | is only available from another source |
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| 08:27.17 | Sm0ke0ut | or you need to do an apt-get update first @ future28 :) |
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| 08:29.13 | future28 | cheers |
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| 09:18.43 | dero | hello, can someone help me setting up a device mapper config on debian? |
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| 09:41.43 | dero | echo "0 `blockdev --getsize /dev/mmcblk0p1` delay /dev/mmcblk0p1 0 10" | dmsetup create delayed |
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| 09:42.33 | holycow | hi guys |
| 09:42.40 | holycow | where does debian store the default session? |
| 09:43.19 | holycow | i have tried different session managers and they all seem to do their own thing. i cannot tell how they can tell how many window managers/desktop environments i have installed and how they know what options to provide me with |
| 09:43.48 | holycow | google is a bit confusing on this issue, i thought i could just do exec stumpwm or something similar in .xsessionrc file but that does not work |
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| 09:46.19 | f8l | holycow: Do you mean the .xsession file? |
| 09:47.06 | holycow | let me try that i guess |
| 09:47.07 | holycow | brb |
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| 09:47.33 | milligan | I'm running cat nationalities.txt (which contains, uh, nationalitites). Each nationality is on one line. However, when running it in a loop, for c in `cat nationalities.txt`; do echo "INSERT INTO Nationalities VALUES('','$c');"; done >> result.txt , i.e "Northern Irish" will appear on two lines. One with Nothern, and one with Irish. Any idea why? |
| 09:48.23 | f8l | milligan: You are doing it wrong. ;-) Give me a moment. |
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| 09:49.03 | Rydekull | Ugh, upgrade to testing from stable, python-pyatspi2, anyone know a good workaround? |
| 09:49.42 | f8l | cat nationalities.txt | while read c; do echo "INSERT INTO Nationalities VALUES('','$c');"; done >> result.txt |
| 09:49.46 | f8l | milligan: ^ |
| 09:50.35 | milligan | cheers mate! |
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| 10:02.54 | matej_ | when I download debian from site why is there so many cds 1 2 3 4 ...? |
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| 10:06.17 | petn-randall | matej_: So you can install a full Debian even on an arctic voyage with no internet. |
| 10:06.54 | matej_ | ;D |
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| 10:11.40 | blackfriday | a full-set of debian cds? it's awesome |
| 10:11.53 | ChrisH | there are so may CDs because one CD can only hold 650MB :) |
| 10:12.19 | petn-randall | I rarely need more than a net-install. Though I once took the full DVD set with me as I had to upgrade a server in a nuclear power plant. |
| 10:12.19 | blackfriday | this is a good way in old days |
| 10:12.39 | dero | Q: is it possible to use devmapper without an initramfs? |
| 10:13.05 | blackfriday | old-school netinstall is awesome too |
| 10:13.21 | jelly | dero: for the root filesystem, or? Yes it's possible to use it otherwise. |
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| 10:13.41 | blackfriday | i use new-school gpxe netinstall now |
| 10:13.44 | dero | yes, I want to do some devmapper magic BEFORE root is mounted |
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| 10:14.28 | jelly | dero: then no, use initramfs or initrd or whatever early userspace you want |
| 10:14.30 | petn-randall | How can I create a degraded raid10 array with 3 out of 6 disks? 'mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 10 -n 6 -b internal -e 1.2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 missing missing missing -vvv' only gives me 'madm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Input/output error' |
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| 10:14.47 | dero | I am on a raspberry pi with a custom kernel |
| 10:14.59 | dero | jelly, can I embed that into the kernel? |
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| 10:15.18 | jelly | dero: no idea about your specific embedded device, sorry |
| 10:15.33 | jelly | !arm |
| 10:15.34 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:15.37 | petn-randall | It successfully creates the raid meta data on the devices, though. |
| 10:15.51 | blackfriday | raspberry pi is fake open source |
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| 10:15.53 | jelly | petn-randall: try asking in the #linux-raid channel |
| 10:15.59 | petn-randall | jelly: Thanks |
| 10:16.00 | blackfriday | so is android |
| 10:16.10 | dero | no polititcs plz ;) |
| 10:16.15 | jelly | blackfriday: try to be helpful |
| 10:16.25 | jelly | or stay quiet, that works too |
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| 10:17.00 | dero | I guess /linux/init/main.c is the initial kernel startup? |
| 10:17.16 | jelly | dero: if you're running raspbian and not debian, they have a channel of their own here on freenode |
| 10:17.34 | dero | #raspberrypi or? |
| 10:17.40 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 10:17.41 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 10:19.26 | dero | okay, I guess I have to put everything into a gz. can the /init -script be an sh file? |
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| 10:52.42 | blackshirt | hello all, i have a problem with starting linux container, this my messages, http://paste.debian.net/212685/ .. can anybody help me ? |
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| 10:54.49 | ksk | !tell me about vmware |
| 10:56.03 | blackshirt | hello all |
| 10:56.31 | Lasse- | hi blackshirt |
| 10:56.39 | ksk | i have no idea about lc, but seems your mac-address syntax is wrong |
| 10:56.41 | blackshirt | Lasse-: help me |
| 10:56.44 | ksk | remove the "{}"? |
| 10:56.50 | Lasse- | blackshirt: No idea. |
| 10:56.57 | blackshirt | ksk, i would try |
| 10:57.11 | ksk | blackshirt: better look up whats needed instead of just trying my quess |
| 10:57.53 | blackshirt | ksk, i have look some places, and doesnt got idea :( |
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| 10:58.25 | blackshirt | where s linux container channel |
| 10:58.29 | blackshirt | ? |
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| 10:59.02 | sary | blackshirt: you may wanna try in #linux |
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| 11:01.10 | blackshirt | sary i dont think so, but i would try |
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| 11:01.58 | sary | well , you could use alis to filter channels search , /msg alis help list |
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| 11:07.12 | blackshirt | maybe other guys can help me here :( |
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| 11:10.55 | roundsf | 11:10 *** NAMES roundsf mastroWork milligan kitty____ CpuID2 niels2 msantana _| gusnan burek troller Anticom2 SkAzZ useall bst_ DeusEx bambuss revamp JoeAngel_ blackshirt a111 Tom01 clopez Walzmyn ws2k3 lorenzosu beaming desti AceError themill satwood mastro neglesaks babl_wrk e-anima anunakki nerd nodiscc ehbello rodrigods jayne YBook SLot darsie Pies Armand ShaggyTwoDope r3m Lns msx anonymous4353 tPl0ch Dainese bla |
| 11:10.55 | roundsf | ckfriday {41444d494e} watussi faitz bjelleklang digdilem_ bocaneri fleeky davi Rydekull CosmicB sakax CowboyNeal_ olegfusion Greedi berserkr alberto starius__ Ard1t sary clefebvre Xizor arvind_khadri tjadc sary_ osfd lduros dreamon_ Shadow` TomyLobo darkclown goacid Malmis MaxLanar redeemed sprax kyrix Tiffon martxel dobber Ergo^ TheAvatar bwana147 Kiyo Rosha BWMerlin Guest4322 _moon bux ]3n19m4[ mandragor Sh3r1ff n2 |
| 11:10.55 | roundsf | diy adellam _tremo ghenry XSlicer dobalina moreira himuraken philipballew |DM| BotaniCar|2 afuentes oy-tablet__ aswen zafu timahvo1 karimb sauvin oy qu-bit chimay Sm0kEz Xanthor Slydder holmgren mengine mah454 iliv Tuxist blz37 graytron ninjak luftikuss alextreme GabrieleV Apeiron` bullgard4 zir0faive edgar-rft HardDisk_WP Niamkik rdqfdx sandwitch iDrac KiSM pAt_ paule29 damu M0ffe m0t cafuego jalalsfs iViLe jehan in |
| 11:10.55 | roundsf | itself SeySayux Downer EyesIsServer zed45 DavidScherer stackofcats TBCOOL reZo alee- bot48 krisfremen ectospasm Red_M FluxD glebihan_ Gallomimia ponyofdeath Zharf Subfusc zhvtar evilbulgarian pa|i Dbug EasyAsPie freeayu daemonkeeper err-or_ Feigr scourgen claw__ Fersure oufo Granis joar firecode Harpoon_ krux sunfun mns Fli-c FH823 gunkaaa Derpian wu_lmao wols_ yakko Devastator Iiiak fisted buu diroots ajikeshi_ tali |
| 11:10.55 | roundsf | shte CrazyEddy magnet_ mashed-updata IdleOne jasonwert john3 Darky` yang2 RA3OR mortalius Inst larks Bry8Star{EB Guest17069 bluesceada darsk1ez darkskiez2 m0spf EmleyMoor mactimes boven EventHorizon linuxieus babilen Mike9863 badiane blink Infiltrator xy Weegee blueyed Furai karupanerura Argafal iaj JimmyAx mgodzilla |oop swatti- dtcrshr Havis saep gnugr NoCode BELWOLF kli0rf gentgeen__ copec talsamon_ WinstonSmith a |
| 11:10.56 | Sm0kEz | is away (w0rk) Gone: 1hr 46mins 20secs |
| 11:11.05 | Inst | but no sakura |
| 11:11.06 | Inst | ;_; |
| 11:11.18 | lorenzosu | lol |
| 11:11.33 | XSlicer | uh |
| 11:11.36 | |DM| | heh |
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| 11:11.39 | |DM| | reported. |
| 11:11.39 | tjadc | roundsf wadyawant |
| 11:11.43 | starius__ | :3 |
| 11:11.47 | |DM| | he quit silly tjadc |
| 11:11.49 | |DM| | it's a spammer |
| 11:12.00 | elkng | where is roundsf ? |
| 11:12.05 | Armand | I always ponder the point.... ? |
| 11:12.10 | |DM| | he was taken care of elkng |
| 11:12.11 | tjadc | shame for the poor little spamme |
| 11:12.13 | Armand | Like, what is it supposed to do ? |
| 11:12.17 | anunakki | uhhh |
| 11:12.20 | |DM| | Armand, spam. |
| 11:12.20 | tjadc | s/spamme/spammer |
| 11:12.21 | ectospasm | spam wants to grab your attention |
| 11:12.22 | anunakki | wtf |
| 11:12.23 | |DM| | the point is spam |
| 11:12.24 | anunakki | so annoying |
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| 11:12.27 | Armand | Oohhh.. #debian turned blue!! O_O |
| 11:12.27 | anunakki | this is why debian sucks |
| 11:12.29 | Armand | ¬_¬ |
| 11:12.35 | elkng | |DM|: was yoir "roundsf is spamming" in freenode to lure people here ? |
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| 11:12.50 | |DM| | elkng, no, it was to inform the admins of the problem |
| 11:13.07 | tjadc | lol |
| 11:13.08 | |DM| | elkng, for example, one of these fuckers mass pinged in about 10 channels I was in |
| 11:13.14 | |DM| | so now I promptly report them |
| 11:13.17 | tjadc | meanwhile back at the ranch ... he had a bug in his code :P |
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| 11:14.29 | elkng | tjadc: bug inside keyboard, crawling all over the keys |
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| 11:14.46 | themill | Sm0kEz: please disable public away/back messages |
| 11:14.47 | Sm0kEz | is away (w0rk) Gone: 1hr 50mins 11secs |
| 11:15.02 | tjadc | probably, his nick doesn't strike me as a developer |
| 11:15.04 | a111 | why not just put him on ignore nerd |
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| 11:15.15 | |DM| | allblack, because etique. |
| 11:15.16 | themill | a111: ? |
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| 11:15.18 | blackshirt | hello all, i have a problem with starting linux container, this my messages, http://paste.debian.net/212685/ .. can anybody help me ? |
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| 11:17.12 | Armand | Now, yes.. I agree spam is about attention, but... what for? It's not like he's putting out any meaningful message, nor is it anything more than a petty annoyance to some. |
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| 11:17.32 | |DM| | Armand, it's not an attack on people. It's on the server. |
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| 11:18.03 | themill | let's not reduce the signal:noise any further by discussing it more. |
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| 11:21.38 | a111 | Armand, > petty annoyance to some. |
| 11:21.41 | a111 | thats the whole point |
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| 11:22.06 | Armand | Well, I can't expect any better from a petty spammer. :P |
| 11:22.39 | neglesaks | join #debian-offtopic please :) |
| 11:23.40 | blackshirt | this my output, http://paste.debian.net/212693/ |
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| 11:26.06 | woshty | is there a simple way to have both 32 and 64 installers on an usb stick? |
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| 11:28.16 | blackshirt | hello, someone debian people, i need your help |
| 11:28.24 | mvt007geek | hi.is 185G disk space enough for debian od |
| 11:28.31 | mvt007geek | os? |
| 11:28.32 | themill | woshty: there's a multiarch installer (i386 and amd64) |
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| 11:29.45 | johndoe | how do i fix this? W: GPG error: http://snapshot.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 11:29.59 | mvt007geek | i have only 185 g disk space is it enough to install debian? |
| 11:30.07 | themill | mvt007geek: plenty |
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| 11:30.52 | blackfriday | 100MB is too much i think |
| 11:30.59 | themill | johndoe: you can import the public key with apt-key |
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| 11:31.41 | johndoe | themill: fixed. but now i get this: W: GPG error: http://snapshot.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1246455239 |
| 11:31.55 | themill | johndoe: sure. you can't fix that without a time machine |
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| 11:32.15 | johndoe | LOL |
| 11:32.28 | joltcan | johndoe: gpg --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 | gpg --export A70DAF536070D3A1 | apt-key add - |
| 11:32.35 | joltcan | haha |
| 11:32.36 | mvt007geek | themil which partishons are better to be shared between my current fedora and new debian? |
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| 11:32.45 | joltcan | themill: :) |
| 11:32.45 | johndoe | mvt007geek: /home |
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| 11:33.01 | johndoe | always have a separate /home partition |
| 11:33.12 | johndoe | themill: so.. what do i do with the KEYEXPIRED? |
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| 11:34.08 | mvt007geek | johndo so i share my home partition between debian and fedora?what about / |
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| 11:34.22 | Walex2 | johndoe: <joltcan> has already replied |
| 11:34.40 | joltcan | johndoe: the key has expired, nothing to do about that |
| 11:34.52 | Walex2 | mvt007geek: a pretty complete Debian install will fit easily in 25GB. |
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| 11:35.33 | johndoe | joltcan: so i just let it complain? |
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| 11:38.13 | joltcan | johndoe: check your clock, find a new key or let it complain |
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| 12:05.33 | mvt007geek | oh please i have installed debian -6.0.5 amd 64.but when i restart i only see my fedora on the list?=-O |
| 12:05.37 | mvt007geek | what hapend? |
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| 12:06.36 | mvt007geek | i used gparted and it showed the grup partition is unknown |
| 12:07.02 | mvt007geek | i changed it's format to ext4 instead of ext3 |
| 12:07.21 | mvt007geek | and now it is not unknown |
| 12:07.34 | mvt007geek | but still i can't go to ebian? |
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| 12:08.04 | mvt007geek | is there somthing wrong with grub? |
| 12:08.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell mvt007geek -about fixmbr |
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| 12:08.52 | babilen | mvt007geek: Which operating systems do you have on your box? Do you use Debian do manage grub? Did you install grub to the MBR ? (e.g. to /dev/sda) |
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| 12:10.25 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, I am trying to make a multiboot USB pen with grub2, ISO boot wont work since 6.0.3 cause it wont detect the iso has a cdrom, is there any workaround? |
| 12:10.44 | mvt007geek | i had fedora.i used a live fedora to free some space for debian.i used gparted.after i made some space and installed debian nothing apeared in boot list as debian.so i entered my fedora and now i use gparted in fedora to see how are my partitions |
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| 12:11.39 | woshty | themill: link? |
| 12:12.00 | babilen | mvt007geek: "in Fedora" == "I am currently using the Fedory Live CD" or "I booted the previously installed Fedora" ? |
| 12:13.40 | mvt007geek | no i have installed fedora befor not from a live CD.from a complete CD. and now i am not working with live CD |
| 12:14.10 | mvt007geek | i am working with frreal fedora on my hard dik |
| 12:14.27 | babilen | mvt007geek: And what exactly do you mean by "the grup partition is unknown" ? What do you mean by "grup partition" (I assume "grub partition" but still don't know what you mean exactly) and what shows it as "unknown" -- Do you want to keep Fedora and which (Debian or Fedora) do you want to use to manage the boot loader? |
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| 12:18.13 | akurczyk | hi, what is the default debian encoding? locale says it is set to posix encoding, but there is no posix in putty encoding menu. when it is set to utf-8 in my putty the freames aren't displaying properly. which enconding should i set in putty config? |
| 12:18.30 | mvt007geek | babilen: no.on my gparted on sda6,has been wrote "unknown".and then gparted has been commented that it mighy be because the partitions format is unknown for gparted.so i changed it's format from ext3 to ext4.....now it hasn't write "unknown"on sda6. |
| 12:18.46 | mvt007geek | sda6:bios-grub |
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| 12:19.41 | babilen | mvt007geek: So you installed the boot loader to sda6 and not sda? What do you use sda6 for? (/boot). And *please* also answer my other questions: "Do you want to keep Fedora and which (Debian or Fedora) do you want to use to manage the boot loader?" |
| 12:20.05 | themill | woshty: it's the download link on the front of the debian.org web page |
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| 12:20.52 | mvt007geek | babilen: oh sorry.i forgot to anwer.i want to keep my current fedora and add debian to my computer too. |
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| 12:22.18 | babilen | mvt007geek: Ok, and which should manage the boot loader? |
| 12:22.27 | woshty | themill: harr, why dont i find it under network install? |
| 12:23.39 | themill | woshty: no idea -- http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 12:24.06 | woshty | themill: yeah, i got it now .. for how long has it been there? :) |
| 12:24.08 | mvt007geek | babilen: i don't know what do you mean exactly :(( |
| 12:24.24 | mvt007geek | i'm a little inprofessional |
| 12:24.34 | mvt007geek | inprofsssional |
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| 12:25.18 | mvt007geek | unprofessional i meant |
| 12:25.44 | themill | woshty: the link has been there since squeeze released. Lenny also had an i386+amd64+ppc installer. |
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| 12:26.29 | woshty | themill: :/ nice to know .. just a few years late |
| 12:26.48 | babilen | mvt007geek: Sure, no problem. The point is that you have to decide if you want to use Fedora or Debian to manage the boot loader. They can't both do it as they would just undo/redo what the other just did. I am simply asking you *which* you want to use to manage it. The question is more or less: Which do you expect to be your primary system |
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| 12:28.11 | mvt007geek | fedora |
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| 12:30.22 | babilen | mvt007geek: Ok, in that case I would recommend that you join #fedora and ask them how to configure grub there -- I guess it is something like "update-grub ; grub-install /dev/sda" but I cannot know |
| 12:31.28 | mvt007geek | babilen: what if i choose debian? |
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| 12:34.50 | PhoenixSTF | Why the initrd of netinstall ISO, do not have the iso-scan/load-iso= |
| 12:34.52 | PhoenixSTF | ??? |
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| 12:37.43 | bluesm | How to write scripts on interactive shell ? |
| 12:38.29 | bluesm | With connection of normal bash ? |
| 12:38.48 | bluesm | I mean to connect with ssh and perform some task, and go to another ip adress .... |
| 12:38.50 | bluesm | :) |
| 12:39.30 | ChrisH | bluesm: I still try to understand what you want to do. |
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| 12:45.41 | naequs | is there any way to change the resolution of a terminal emulator ? |
| 12:46.14 | naequs | i want to try cataclysm, but at the current resolution its inconveniently small |
| 12:49.33 | bluesm | ChrisH: Make a script which connects with computers by ssh, and then perform certain task and then go to other computer in lan network .... |
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| 12:50.46 | ChrisH | naequs: resolution ? resize the terminal window to get more lines and columns |
| 12:51.07 | ChrisH | bluesm: for i in host1 host2 host2 do ;ssh $i uname -a ; done |
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| 12:52.36 | naequs | ChrisH but i want less :D |
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| 12:52.59 | naequs | ChrisH i want standard 800x600 to be stretched out |
| 12:53.01 | ChrisH | bluesm: syntax might not be 100% |
| 12:54.13 | naequs | ah well |
| 12:54.36 | naequs | just increasing font size should suffice :D |
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| 12:55.21 | ChrisH | naequs: could it be that your defintion of "terminal emulation" differs from mine? resize the window to get less rows and coloums should work also |
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| 12:57.35 | naequs | ChrisH but then its small, i wanted to start a window with fixed 800x600 and then simply maximize it to have a neat view for cataclysm |
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| 12:58.34 | naequs | ChrisH changing font size is an option however |
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| 13:02.23 | jelly | ,v apt |
| 13:02.26 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.7.6; wheezy: 0.9.7.6 |
| 13:02.33 | bluesm | ChrisH: I don't think so |
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| 13:10.50 | bluesm | What can do "tar" without -f trigger. |
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| 13:14.01 | ChrisH | bluesm: any file. tar cv /etc will archive /etc onto your tape drive... or at least this is what I expect from tar to do |
| 13:15.00 | ChrisH | bluesm: or export TAPE=/tmp/myarchive.tar ; tar cv /etc will create /tmp/myarchive.tar |
| 13:18.50 | nsadmin | bluesm, then it does the default thing. In the past (since "tar" means "tape ARchive"), lack of -f means the file is the tape device, in other tars, it means use stdin/out. |
| 13:19.00 | nsadmin | so, -f is nonportable |
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| 13:20.53 | nsadmin | err opposite: not specifying -f is not portable, so when you write a ter command, you'll always get what you specify if you always specify -f, and when you don't, you should know the meaning of that |
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| 13:22.25 | ChrisH | To make things more complicated GNU-tar does by-default strip the / whereas SystemV tar does not. |
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| 13:24.17 | nsadmin | only gnu tar does that? |
| 13:24.21 | nsadmin | I didn't jknow tha |
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| 13:25.47 | ChrisH | nsadmin: yes. I was completely irritated when using gnu-tar the first time and I wanted to have it extracted from /. If you know its not a problem... On Solaris 10 its easy meanwhile, there is tar and gtar |
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| 13:27.07 | nsadmin | nods |
| 13:28.48 | ChrisH | While working in HP/UX Support customers did send in crash dumps from /var/crash/hostname with SystemV tar :) As we did not have root rights but a biiig /dumps volume it was sometimes hard to extract the tapes. pax was needed here to fix it. |
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| 13:35.30 | homes | it does, and it seems a sensible default [stripping /] |
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| 13:35.50 | homes | tar --absolute-names will stop it |
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| 13:40.35 | ChrisH | homes: coming from GNU-tar the default is OK. But if you come from UNIX System, and they exist longer, its a change and irritates the first time. |
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| 13:45.47 | homes | ChrisH: sure sure, though having spent far too long in solaris land, i have to say while the gnu userland is different it's always in a better way :) |
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| 13:47.36 | ChrisH | homes: Full ACK. /usr/sfw/bin offers GNU tools now. It helps to unpack eg. ActiveMQ, the pathnames are too long for SystemV tar :) |
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| 13:50.10 | elik | I'm in the process of installing debian on my laptop. During the network card detection process, the installer complains about non-free firmware. I'm trying to put it on the install thumb drive itself, but it doesn't seem to work. I put the fw file directly in the firmware directory but the installer didn't find it. |
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| 13:50.52 | somiaj | elik: if you have the netinstall you can install a full base system without the internet |
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| 13:51.16 | somiaj | elik: my prefered method is to do that, then copy over the firmwear .deb to the machine, isntall it, get the network up and then finish installing the software I want |
| 13:51.23 | dondelelcaro | ChrisH: gnu tar only strips the leading / when it extracts the tarball, which is pretty much what you always want anyway |
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| 13:52.29 | dondelelcaro | hrm; actually, I'm wrong |
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| 13:53.43 | elik | somiaj: fair enough, it just seemed like a step that might hamper installation at a latter step |
| 13:53.54 | elik | somiaj: it seems to succeed dhcp and the like anyway |
| 13:54.12 | elik | but I read reports of choppy connections and the like |
| 13:54.25 | elik | somiaj: didn't know the netinst had sufficient package for a base system though |
| 13:55.21 | elik | somiaj: it just seems to make the documentation wrong though... "If a device driver requests firmware that is not available, debian-installer will display a dialog offering to load the missing firmware. If this option is selected, debian-installer will scan available devices for either loose firmware files or packages containing firmware. If found, the firmware will be copied to the correct location (/lib/firmware) and the driver module will be reloaded." |
| 13:55.53 | elik | somiaj: and this is not what I'm observing, unless the available devices do not count the installation media |
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| 13:56.36 | woshty | how would i go about configuring a luks partition i want to open and mount on demand, not at boot, the debian way? add a line with noauto to crypttab? what to add to fstab? |
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| 13:58.50 | elik | somiaj: anyhow, giving it one last try, and reverting to your method if all else fail. Thanks! |
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| 14:12.57 | ChrisH | woshty: noauto should work for fstab. Would be worth giving it a try. |
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| 14:23.41 | somiaj | elik: that is correct, the debian installer will try to load the firmware if it is supplied to it. I just find it easier to do everything from within an installed system (and not the debian-installer) |
| 14:24.36 | somiaj | elik: I just find it easier to get a functioning base system, and from there it isn't that hard to get the network card up and running and then install the rest from the internet. (note you will have to update your sources.list and if you really want run tasksel after you get your internet up) |
| 14:25.07 | somiaj | elik: I also use the expert installer which gives an option to skip the network step |
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| 14:26.54 | Sander^work | What could be wrong when I get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" when I try to log into ssh? |
| 14:27.48 | somiaj | do you have failtoban or something on the remote host, almost looks like your host/ip is just blocked |
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| 14:27.52 | somiaj | sorry fail2ban |
| 14:28.11 | SiDz | with fail2ban it wouldnt connect at all |
| 14:28.18 | SiDz | if its banned |
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| 14:28.34 | somiaj | I thought it was done via ssh, so you connect, then ssh closes the connenction |
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| 14:29.17 | somiaj | ahh I maybe thinking of denyhosts |
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| 14:31.26 | ChrisH | Sander^work: run ssh -v HOST and check if the verbose log helps you |
| 14:31.28 | eXeC001er | Hello |
| 14:31.29 | somiaj | google seems to agree that is one possible case, though it could be something else. There is a list of things that can cause trouble |
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| 14:32.58 | eXeC001er | How to set default action for a config file, to use "--force-confdef" and exclude question about rewriting during upgrade ? |
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| 14:33.37 | Sander^work | ChrisH, this is all I get: http://pastebin.com/sq17jYS2 |
| 14:34.08 | somiaj | eXeC001er: have you checked the man page for apt-get or aptitude (depending on the one you use to upgrade) |
| 14:34.38 | ChrisH | Sander^work: the remote side does not like you :) Any chance to have the remote side admin look into sshd log file? |
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| 14:35.23 | Sander^work | ChrisH, I guess I need to go there physically and break into it. |
| 14:35.43 | eXeC001er | somiaj: What should i check ? |
| 14:35.52 | ChrisH | Sander^work: ups... not remote console or remote hands? |
| 14:35.59 | homes | neat, how long have we had /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 14:36.00 | somiaj | eXeC001er: seems apt-get has an --assume-yes flag that should answer yes to all those config questions (I forget if the question asks to keep the current config or upgrade) |
| 14:36.05 | somiaj | eXeC001er: there is also an --assume-no |
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| 14:36.36 | Sander^work | ChrisH, Maybe it works to log into it by console when i'm there. |
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| 14:36.51 | Sander^work | ChrisH, Just wondring what I should do when I get there. |
| 14:36.58 | somiaj | homes: a while, splitting config files up into config snippits has been a trend for a while now, even xorg has /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if you wanted |
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| 14:37.26 | eXeC001er | somiaj: "man dpkg" says: If a conffile has been modified and the version in the package did change, always choose the default action without prompting. If there is no default action it will stop ...... |
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| 14:37.57 | homes | somiaj: guess i'm getting old :\ |
| 14:38.02 | somiaj | eXeC001er: most likely you are using apt-get or aptitude to do the upgrade (Which then calls dpkg) so I would look at the flags for either apt-get or aptitude |
| 14:38.22 | somiaj | eXeC001er: yes you can use dpkg directally, but that is only if you have a list of .deb file to install already downloaded |
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| 14:38.32 | Sander^work | ChrisH, What's the location of the sshd log file? |
| 14:38.41 | somiaj | homes: well I have been notcing them popup in sid for a while now (not sure if they were in lenny or not though). |
| 14:38.56 | Sander^work | ChrisH, does it logs it into /var/log/messages ? |
| 14:39.02 | somiaj | Sander^work: I would first check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny and see if your ip got put in there somehow |
| 14:39.11 | eXeC001er | somiaj: so how to set default action of i use only dpkg? |
| 14:39.26 | ChrisH | Sander^work: given its Debian in the server side my first look would be into /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:39.33 | somiaj | Sander^work: /var/log/auth.log is a place to check for what is happening during authentication attempts |
| 14:39.45 | ChrisH | Sander^work: try without offering any keys |
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| 14:41.12 | Sander^work | ChrisH, how do I try without offering any keys? |
| 14:41.46 | somiaj | eXeC001er: looks like (From man dpkg) you can --force-things where one of the things you can force is confnew/confold/confdef/confask to decide what to do with config files |
| 14:42.04 | ChrisH | Sander^work: easiest option: move the keys away |
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| 14:45.04 | Sander^work | ChrisH, the key's aint in those locations at all. |
| 14:45.09 | eXeC001er | somiaj: i want to use --force-confdef and i want to know how to set default action. |
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| 14:45.46 | somiaj | eXeC001er: why not use --force-confnew or --force-confold |
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| 14:46.52 | ChrisH | Sander^work: well then it looks weird. telnet host 22 do you get a connected and a OpenSSH banner? |
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| 14:47.09 | somiaj | eXeC001er: wonder if the default action can be set in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf |
| 14:47.19 | eXeC001er | as i understand from "man dpkg" i can set different default action for different config files |
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| 14:48.20 | Sander^work | ChrisH, I get: Escape character is '^]'. |
| 14:48.21 | Sander^work | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 14:48.56 | somiaj | still acting like your host is just being banned |
| 14:49.04 | somiaj | can you check /etc/hosts.deny on the server? |
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| 14:50.48 | Sander^work | somiaj, I can't do it from here. |
| 14:51.08 | somiaj | do you have another server/ip you can ssh to and then try to ssh to this server from there |
| 14:51.34 | ChrisH | Sander^work: that looks more like sshd is unhappy or there is no mem left. |
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| 15:00.47 | sephii | is there a way to make /dev/video0 output a static image instead of using my webcam? |
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| 15:01.53 | jhutchins_wk | sephii: why? |
| 15:01.56 | somiaj | sephii: what are you trying to do. /dev/video0 is a device for your webcam. Do you just want to disable your webcam? |
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| 15:04.06 | hesco | can someone please remind me of the name of the network utility which shows me what is running on what ports? |
| 15:04.22 | somiaj | hesco: netstat |
| 15:04.32 | hesco | thank you somiaj. |
| 15:04.38 | sephii | I have a script that uses mplayer to take a snapshot with my webcam (by using tv://), and in some cases I'd like to make it use an image instead. So before modifying the script I wanted to know if there's an easy way to make mplayer use an image as source instead |
| 15:04.45 | somiaj | hesco: netstat -a (or netstat -net) are common flags |
| 15:05.01 | hesco | use it about once a year it seems, never enough to become actually familiar with it |
| 15:06.52 | somiaj | sephii: what do you do with this image/snapshot? |
| 15:07.24 | woshty | ChrisH: thing is, i would like to call one command to unlock and mount a luks volume and i for some strange reason seem to be the only one |
| 15:07.24 | somiaj | sephii: I would make your script either provide the image or the snapshot depending on the conditions. Try to modify the devices sounds like a undieserable way to do that |
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| 15:08.26 | hesco | so. next question: netstat -anp | grep 3306 shows me: |
| 15:08.26 | hesco | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 15:08.58 | hesco | but with no indication as to what process is holding that port open and preventing me from starting the database server. |
| 15:09.06 | hesco | How would I close that? |
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| 15:09.24 | somiaj | hesco: read the netstat manpage? |
| 15:09.35 | sephii | somiaj: well it's a dumb application that takes a picture of you when you make a git commit and adds an overlay with the commit message. I guess I'll just add an option to use a different device |
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| 15:11.21 | somiaj | hesco: seems there is a -p, --program flag to Show the PID and name of the program to which each socket belongs. |
| 15:11.48 | hesco | so man netstat says that the -a or --all option: 'Show both listening and non-listening sockets.'; this is listed as LISTENing, but is not associated with a process |
| 15:12.21 | hesco | somiaj: I ran it with -anp, will try again with -a -n -p to see if I get more useful results |
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| 15:12.51 | hesco | same result |
| 15:13.46 | somiaj | hesco: are you running this as root? |
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| 15:13.55 | sephii | hesco: depending on the process you might need to be logged as root to see them |
| 15:14.11 | somiaj | works jsut fine here, netstat -nlp |
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| 15:14.45 | ChrisH | hesco: lsof -i tcp:3306 |
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| 15:15.04 | hesco | yes, thanks, just noted that in the man page, and when I ran with sudo, I saw that stunnel is using that port. thanks. that was helpful. |
| 15:16.29 | somiaj | hesco: the top of the netstat output also warns you if you aren't root that it can't get all the info |
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| 15:28.21 | woshty | why does my terminal not seem to execute ~/.profile? |
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| 15:29.35 | ChrisH | woshty: your terminal does only execute your shell and its the shell's duty to source the profile |
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| 15:32.14 | woshty | ChrisH: i am using bash, as shipped with wheezy. and i do not have a ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login as it tells me in the header of .profile will make it not be executed |
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| 15:33.52 | woshty | ChrisH: i wanted my local bin to be in the patch what .profile seems to do but it doesnt set path |
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| 15:36.35 | ChrisH | woshty: this is my working setup http://paste.debian.net/212760/ |
| 15:36.35 | stew | woshty: .profile / .bash_profile are only executed for login shells, not by every shell you start |
| 15:37.46 | woshty | stew: ah, so to have my path set in every terminal i would have to add something similar to .bashrc? |
| 15:38.13 | somiaj | woshty: if you use bash, check ~/.bashrc, as stew said the .bash_profile is only sourced by default on login shells (though you can change that behaviour with a good .bashrc) |
| 15:38.37 | Feigr | what version of the kernel is the latest Debian release on? I've spent 10 minutes on the website trying to find that info (which should be the first thing on the frontpage imo) |
| 15:38.49 | woshty | ChrisH: i am missing that export PATH statement .. |
| 15:39.16 | somiaj | Feigr: the latestest debian release (Squeeze) uses 2.6.32 (though you can get 3.2 from backports) |
| 15:39.24 | somiaj | Feigr: wheezy (The next release) will use 3.2 |
| 15:39.25 | Feigr | ok thank you |
| 15:39.26 | mads- | Feigr: I installed a new version (testing) a week ago - it's running 3.2 |
| 15:39.31 | woshty | thx, i will try to sort it out |
| 15:39.48 | ChrisH | woshty: missing? it's on line 17 |
| 15:39.49 | somiaj | mads-: wheezy hasn't been released yet though...(: |
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| 15:40.12 | woshty | ChrisH: i did not have that in my .profile |
| 15:40.42 | somiaj | Feigr: note debian backports and fixes known security holes in the 2.6.32 version and ocsionally backports a few drivers. So there is some slight changes to the stable kernel, but no major feature changes. |
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| 15:41.00 | mads- | somiaj: oh, "release". Missed that word :) |
| 15:41.06 | ChrisH | woshty: ah, I see. |
| 15:41.14 | Feigr | somiaj: I see |
| 15:42.16 | somiaj | Feigr: and of course the 3.2 kernel is provided if you have hardware that won't run on 2.6.32, but it suggested you only use the backported kernel in that case, since the default stable kernel gets better security updates |
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| 15:42.55 | somiaj | (though I think backports will be getting better security support come wheezy) |
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| 15:43.07 | Feigr | I was just curious because I read something about a USB mic that wouldn't work with Linux, but apparently now works out of the box with 3.2 |
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| 15:43.38 | somiaj | yea for a desktop, I wouldn't worry to much about the 3.2 backport kernel, the above suggestion was more for a server |
| 15:43.57 | somiaj | (it gets some security updates, I'm just unsure how timely) |
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| 15:49.52 | Achylles | how do I install compiz on my debian Wheezy without breaking my system? |
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| 15:51.32 | karl0 | hi |
| 15:51.54 | babilen | Achylles: You can pull it from unstable/sid -- You could do that quite easily by setting the default release to wheezy (cf. "/msg dpkg default release") and running "apt-get -t sid install compiz" |
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| 15:52.19 | karl0 | i've a pc with fedora 17 and debian wheezy installed. how can i enable fedora in grub on debian wheezy? is there a way to detect its boot partition? |
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| 15:52.43 | babilen | Achylles: Or even "apt-get install compiz/sid" (probably better in this case) -- Please also note that testing/unstable specific questions are also discussed in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:53.02 | babilen | karl0: Do you want Debian or Fedora to manage grub? |
| 15:53.44 | karl0 | i installed fedora some weeks ago and after installing wheezy i was unable to boot fedora. On another pc i solved reinstalling fedora on a new partition, after that i had a grub menu with debian+oldfedora+newfedora |
| 15:54.02 | babilen | karl0: Do you want Debian or Fedora to manage grub? |
| 15:54.06 | Achylles | babilen, Do you mean that I should enable sid in my sources.list? |
| 15:54.45 | karl0 | babilen: i think it's not an option. i can only hope to manage grub through debian, since i'm not able to boot fedora right now |
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| 15:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | karl0: You should be able to run update-grub to detect fedora from Debian, if debian is managing grub. |
| 15:55.16 | babilen | Achylles: Yes, but set the default release to wheezy first. You can then pull compiz from sid. Note that this might cause problems later when wheezy and sid diverge significantly. At that point you might want to actually track testing (jessie at that time) and opt for the approach in "/msg dpkg tum" -- For now it is fine to just pull it from sid. |
| 15:55.19 | wad | ifconfig shows that the MTU on my linux gateway machine is 576. Isn't that... um... crazy low? |
| 15:55.30 | jhutchins_wk | karl0: That should happen automatically on a new install, but it doesn't always. |
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| 15:55.41 | somiaj | Achylles: just be careful if you do that (now it won't be much of an issue, but once wheezy stablizes and wheezy - sid start to split apart it could be. |
| 15:55.42 | babilen | karl0: Ok, please run "update-grub" and show us the output -- I would also install os-prober before doing that. |
| 15:55.53 | karl0 | jhutchins_wk: usually this works good (detecting also slackware etc ,... ) but with fedora 17 it never worked o.O |
| 15:55.54 | babilen | karl0: (paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 15:55.56 | wad | The machine has two NICs, eth0 (WAN, connects to cable modem), and eth1 (LAN). The LAN side is 1500, the WAN side is 576. |
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| 15:56.44 | karl0 | babilen: ok, it takes a minutes or two (i have to mount the disk) |
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| 15:57.02 | babilen | karl0: Sure, take your time :) |
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| 15:58.19 | Achylles | babilen, point me to a site where it shows how to setup wheezy as default release please :) |
| 15:59.02 | babilen | Achylles: Just sent a message to our bot (dpkg) with the IRC command "/msg dpkg default release" as mentioned earlier and it (the bot) will tell you how |
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| 15:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | So we now support frankendebian? |
| 16:00.00 | babilen | Achylles: Essentially 'APT::Default-Release "wheezy"' in /etc/apt/apt.conf -- Run "apt-cache policy" after you've done that and added sources for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list to verify that it worked correctly. (paste it if unsure) |
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| 16:00.19 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: Uh, hum? Why? |
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| 16:01.11 | babilen | Achylles: Please note (once again) that compiz will *not* be part of wheezy (ever!) and that you might/will get problems when wheezy and sid diverge. |
| 16:01.11 | karl0 | jhutchins_wk: what is 'frankendebian' ? |
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| 16:01.19 | jhutchins_wk | I've seen several discussions of how to work with mixed releases, we used to discourage that pretty heavily. |
| 16:01.40 | jhutchins_wk | !frankendebian |
| 16:01.41 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 16:01.59 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: Pulling packages from unstable into a testing system is not really problematic most of the time. |
| 16:03.12 | babilen | Achylles: It is a much more common approach to run "testing" and not a particular release for this to work smoothly though. You *will* however experience problems after the release of wheezy when you do that when "testing" does no longer point to wheezy, but to the new "jessie" |
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| 16:04.14 | karl0 | babilen: when will wheezy become stable ? |
| 16:04.21 | babilen | !wwwr |
| 16:04.21 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 16:06.25 | babilen | Achylles: I don't care about compiz at all and can't really recommend anything here. Do you want to keep tracking wheezy once it is released as stable or do you plan to keep on running testing/jessie then? |
| 16:06.42 | babilen | (well, my recommendation would be: sod it, compiz is pants anyway) |
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| 16:08.28 | Achylles | babilen, I think I want to keep on running testing |
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| 16:09.06 | karl0 | babilen: ok, i've booted it now. i'm doing an upgrade but i've a "MD5sum mismatch" when i use "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" . does it mean that the mirror is not good? should i change apt mirror? |
| 16:09.09 | mtn | Achylles: may be force be with you :P |
| 16:09.33 | wad | I've been googling around, trying to figure out how to set the MTU on my eth0 (WAN side of my debian gateway box, connects to a cable modem via dhcp). Currently it goes to 576, way too small. It should be 1500. But editing /etc/network/interfaces fails to have any effect. Ideas? |
| 16:09.33 | stew | woshty: no you should set your PATH in .profile/.bash_profile not .bashrc |
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| 16:09.53 | stew | woshty: since setting your path isn't idempotent, and .bashrc gets executed even by subshells |
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| 16:10.39 | dcherniv | wad, ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 |
| 16:10.45 | wad | tries |
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| 16:11.12 | wad | Well, that worked! |
| 16:11.20 | wad | I wonder if it will stay that way after a reboot. |
| 16:11.27 | dcherniv | wad, no |
| 16:11.34 | wols_ | wad: it won't. how did you try to change it in the interfaces file? |
| 16:11.35 | dub_ | hi, i looking for a fancy or dynamic MOTD, but any references is for ubuntu, any idea how to get one on debian? |
| 16:11.40 | Achylles | babilen, My apt.conf is > APT::Default-Release wheezy > is that all right? |
| 16:11.51 | babilen | Achylles: In that case I would recommend to set the default release to "wheezy" right now and pull the package from sid. Make sure that you don't wait too long after the release to switch to jessie (or testing), but come here first to check the status first. (I reckong 2 weeks to 6 months max) |
| 16:11.55 | karl0 | babilen: http://sprunge.us/RUYK |
| 16:12.06 | wad | auto eth0 |
| 16:12.07 | wad | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:12.07 | wad | pre-up /sbin/ifconfig $IFACE mtu 1500 |
| 16:12.27 | wad | That last line I found on google. I don't really understand it, though. |
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| 16:12.47 | wad | Not sure how IFACE was supposed to be defined. |
| 16:12.47 | babilen | Achylles: 'APT::Default-Release "wheezy"' -- Note the " around wheezy. Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please :) |
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| 16:13.34 | dcherniv | wad, replace $IFACE with eth0 |
| 16:13.42 | babilen | karl0: Could you try a different mirror please? I would recommend http.debian.net -- Read http://http.debian.net to learn about it. |
| 16:13.43 | wad | ah, of course. |
| 16:13.50 | karl0 | jhutchins_wk: i've tried update-grub but debian cant find it. fedora root is encrypted and it has another partition for /boot. should i set the bootable flag for its boot partition to allow debian to detect it ? |
| 16:13.59 | babilen | !tell karl0 -about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:14.23 | s4muel | Hey, while I am digging through the rsync man pages, anyone know offhand how to dereference links and copy them? e.g. if /foo/bar -> /some/other/file, I want rsync to pull in /some/other/file instead of copying the symlink. |
| 16:14.32 | babilen | karl0: Make that "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" if you want that. |
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| 16:15.26 | jhutchins_wk | karl0: I think what os-prober looks for is kernels, so it should be finding them if /boot is not encrypted. If it is encrypted or there's some other reason it can't see the Fedora kernel it won't detect it. You can always add it manually. |
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| 16:15.59 | babilen | (yet another reason why encrypting /boot is not the most sensible of ideas) |
| 16:16.01 | s4muel | nevermind, 'tis the -L option |
| 16:16.06 | karl0 | jhutchins_wk: boot is unencrypted, i'm going to try with os-prober |
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| 16:16.36 | jamek | hi, how can i get the most overloaded system process from single user group? |
| 16:16.39 | babilen | karl0: Did you paste the output of "update-grub" after installing os-prober already? |
| 16:16.43 | babilen | checks backlog |
| 16:16.47 | dcherniv | s4muel, gotta be careful with that option for it is dangerous |
| 16:16.48 | karl0 | babilen: btw, encrypting /boot is not possible (sadly) :( |
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| 16:17.02 | thym | Anyone have any knowledge of the rubygems-integration package/usage? I'm having trouble getting bundle to use it. |
| 16:17.06 | wols_ | jamek: what "is the most overloaded system process" again? |
| 16:17.11 | dcherniv | s4muel, well not dangerous but can have rather weird results |
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| 16:17.20 | s4muel | dcherniv: It will do what I expect, no? |
| 16:17.27 | babilen | uhm, brb - sorry (tel) |
| 16:17.31 | dcherniv | s4muel, yes it will. |
| 16:17.33 | jamek | wols_: i have small bash script which |
| 16:17.33 | karl0 | babilen: using netselect-apt fixed the sources.list file. apt's working good now :) |
| 16:18.34 | babilen | karl0: I would still recommend to use http.debian.net -- It uses much better metrics than netselect-apt |
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| 16:18.49 | dcherniv | s4muel, but if the symlink points to the destination dir for example... you know... !boom! :) |
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| 16:19.40 | carandraug | anyone here follows planet debian? I read a post there, 1 month ago which obviously is no longer on the page. But I don't see any place to see older posts |
| 16:20.05 | wols_ | jamek: stay in channel please |
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| 16:20.50 | jamek | wols_: ve small bash script which return me pid of process which eat more then 50% cpu/mem from all process, i need get it from only 1 group |
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| 16:23.03 | karl0 | babilen, jhutchins_wk: os-prober was already installed. now i've run os-prober and it gave no output. then i tried update-grub and it can only find this debian (wheezy) , another debian installation , and memtest86. no fedora :( should i set fedora boot partition as bootable (via fdisk) ? |
| 16:23.13 | jamek | example: on vps is group SERVERS which contain some users, i need to check that some process from group SERVERS eat more then 50% cpu/mem |
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| 16:25.12 | jamek | thym: probably i haven't got some lib |
| 16:25.58 | jamek | any ideas? |
| 16:26.02 | wols_ | jamek: to help with bash scripting, #bash might be the right place. you don't really give much info, so all I can say is stuff like pidof, ps aux, grep are the things you should use |
| 16:26.20 | wols_ | e.g. ps aux |grep SERVERS would give you all processes belonging to the SERVERS group |
| 16:26.40 | wols_ | if such a group exists and you run something under it, which is not default by debian |
| 16:26.50 | superstraw | -i |
| 16:27.21 | wols_ | jamek: and if you actually want to constrain the amount of CPU a certain group uses, you want to use cgroups. it does that automatically at the kernel level |
| 16:27.25 | wols_ | !cgroups |
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| 16:27.48 | jamek | ok,thanks. |
| 16:28.10 | jamek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.17 | jamek | !cgroups |
| 16:28.55 | Sander^work | Does it exist a free monitoring system with both graphs and alerts? |
| 16:28.57 | wols_ | jamek: google it. redhat has nice books online about them |
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| 16:29.25 | Sander^work | Which works cross platform. |
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| 16:30.16 | wols_ | Sander^work: I like it how you add more and more requirements with every new line :) |
| 16:30.41 | Sander^work | wols_, hehe.. :-) |
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| 16:31.53 | thym | jamek: The lib is there. For example, eventmachine. But gem install eventmachine doesn't use ruby-eventmachine. I even installed the package manually to satisfy the dependency, but bundle still ends up trying to install again. |
| 16:32.33 | thym | Is there some way to verify that debian packages are being checked? |
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| 16:42.24 | takis_GR | hello. how can remove other menu from lxde menu??? |
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| 16:46.14 | nru | hi |
| 16:46.33 | nru | I want to build a package for a Linux kernel module |
| 16:47.12 | nru | I understand "dh" is now the prefered helper for rules files |
| 16:47.45 | nru | however I can't find any info on using module-assistant with dh. should I do it with vanilla debhelper? |
| 16:48.00 | EyesIsServer | how can I get sudo to NOT resolve the hostnamer |
| 16:48.17 | EyesIsServer | I'm tired of it sptting out "cannot resolve hostname" every time O run it |
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| 16:49.15 | EyesIsServer | nvm |
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| 16:50.19 | wols_ | !dkms |
| 16:50.19 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 16:50.34 | wols_ | nru: can't you use that now? |
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| 16:51.12 | nru | wols_: I don't want DKMS: this is for a network driver that I want to use in debian-installer at some point |
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| 17:10.18 | nru | is make-kpkg still in fashion? |
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| 17:24.12 | superstraw | be vewy vewy quiet, i'm hunting wabbits |
| 17:24.13 | somiaj | nru: what card is it? yes make-kpkg is a way to make a very very specific module package for a paticular kernel, but there may be better ways to achive what you want. |
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| 17:25.11 | debnewby | hi guys short question for you.... i changed the interfaces configuration for my file server from dhcp to static ... problem : i cant connect via putty anymore ... do you know what could cause this ? |
| 17:25.21 | nru | somiaj: it's an Intel EP80579-based yet-to-be-released appliance |
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| 17:26.13 | nru | said driver is Linux's e1000 augmented with support for Intel EP80579's GbE MACs, some PHYs, and some glue logic for our platform |
| 17:26.23 | somiaj | nru: and you are wanting to make your own custome debian-installer for this appliance? Yea you can make a custom kernel package (and then module images) with make-kpkg. My suggestion would be find a way to install debian and get the network working after. |
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| 17:27.24 | somiaj | or if the devices all have the same hardare/setup, set up a working default image and just copy the image over to the device (and not go though the install process each time) |
| 17:27.40 | nru | somiaj: we're installing through PXE though, and other ways of installing raise other technical difficulties |
| 17:27.53 | nru | somiaj: that's what we're doing right now |
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| 17:28.36 | nru | though everyone would prefer for the appliance to support a clean, as-vanilla-as-possible Debian install |
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| 17:29.02 | nru | (everyone at my company I mean) |
| 17:29.39 | nru | somiaj: you think it is superfluous to try and follow instructions in /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO-DEVEL.gz ? |
| 17:29.42 | somiaj | nru: have you read the wiki on making a custom debian-installer. It shouldn't be difficult to just change out the kernel (though in that case I wouldn't even make a serpeate package for your cards module and just include the module in the kernel package (which means putting it in the kernel source) |
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| 17:30.13 | somiaj | I would not use module-assistant. I would either make a custom kernel for the installer you want to use, or learn how to make a dkms package |
| 17:30.13 | nru | somiaj: yes. I have not done that yet though |
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| 17:31.23 | nru | somiaj: my impression is that DKMS makes little sense when you're able to distribute binary modules - our platform is a single-core 600MHz, I'd prefer to avoid compiling there |
| 17:31.56 | nru | and it's questionnable to install a full build environment on a small server appliance |
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| 17:32.33 | nru | though somiaj I might end up following your advice on building the module in-tree and just shipping a custom kernel package |
| 17:33.19 | vampi-the-frog | guise, whenever I play an mp3 that's on a nfs share, rhythmbox lags a few seconds before playback starts. It also seems locked up. Both nfs server and client run debian stable. any ideas what I could check? |
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| 17:33.39 | vampi-the-frog | an nfs* |
| 17:33.57 | debnewby | Hey guys, since i changed /etc/network/interfaces from dhcp to static , ssh does not work anymore pls help ! :) |
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| 17:35.05 | debnewby | while loading things up DOES work |
| 17:35.45 | keith4_ | debnewby: sounds like you should change it back |
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| 17:37.33 | debnewby | keith4_ yeah but thats what i dont want, i want to keep the static method |
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| 17:38.19 | bc|forsale | Hi! |
| 17:39.47 | keith4_ | debnewby: you're going to need to provide more info than "doesn't work", then |
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| 17:41.54 | nsadmin | like, what did you do after you changed it to static? can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:42.29 | debnewby | ok now we are talking ^^ , so that was what i was doing : installed debian file server + ssh server ... added some users and made some directories , after that i read somewhere that i need to change /etc/network/interfaces from dhcp to static and add inet adress/mask/bcast etc. Well i did that and now i cant connect via ssh (putty) anymore while uploading does not work anymore |
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| 17:43.11 | keith4_ | debhelper: sounds like you Did It Wrong. do what nsadmin suggests |
| 17:43.41 | nsadmin | ok, first off, you are using wired or wireless? |
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| 17:43.54 | debnewby | using wireless |
| 17:44.02 | keith4_ | oof |
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| 17:44.08 | debnewby | (but it worked fine before) |
| 17:44.24 | debnewby | y? |
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| 17:45.04 | nsadmin | I'd probably change it back |
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| 17:45.43 | debnewby | so interfaces static cant deal with wireless setups ? |
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| 17:46.17 | wols_ | they can just fine |
| 17:46.27 | dcherniv | debnewby, sure can, read up wpa_supplicant and friends |
| 17:46.37 | wols_ | but since you won't give any useful info to the channel, one cannot help you |
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| 17:47.22 | debnewby | well u just have to say what u need to know buddy lol :) |
| 17:47.46 | nsadmin | what is your AP? |
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| 17:49.07 | nsadmin | why specifically did you change to static? what benefit did the thing you "read somewhere" (your words) provide? |
| 17:49.30 | nsadmin | OVERALL, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:49.39 | nsadmin | let's start there :) |
| 17:50.59 | nsadmin | what specifically did you "read somewhere", and, where? |
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| 17:52.17 | debnewby | :D u r way to fast :D ... ok from the very beginning : i just read in the Debian 6 Server manual book (i bought just some days ago) that i need to set /etc/../interfaces to static so that my IP stays the same within my home network |
| 17:53.02 | wols_ | debnewby: that only depends on your dhcp server |
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| 17:53.21 | wols_ | debnewby: so what do you use for a dhcp server? |
| 17:54.01 | debnewby | simply my network router speedport w723v |
| 17:54.01 | blubberdiblub | just an idea: he might have had his wireless interface managed by networkmanager before as well |
| 17:54.02 | nsadmin | ok. why do you want your IP to stay the same? (and, yes, if you want that, that's one way to accomplish it) |
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| 17:55.26 | debnewby | nsadmin : because my server is not online 24/7 and i dont want to look the actuall IP up over and over before connecting via ssh |
| 17:55.42 | debnewby | or am i getting something wrong :D? |
| 17:55.46 | debnewby | ^^'' |
| 17:56.26 | abrotman | this is what dyndns is for ? |
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| 17:56.56 | nsadmin | for an internal net? |
| 17:57.00 | debnewby | internal |
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| 17:57.48 | debnewby | :D dont get to freaked out with me im still learning goddamn :D |
| 17:58.01 | zykotick9 | debnewby: i'd check if your router has the ability to always assign the same IP based on MAC myself |
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| 17:59.27 | nsadmin | I have a machine running debian that establishes my internal net and performs the routing function to the outside. I also run a dhcp server on it, and for some machines it does the same thing zykotick9 suggests that you check on the router you have that's doing the dhcp |
| 17:59.30 | debnewby | ok the router has the DHCP Server option enabled but i could disable it |
| 18:00.09 | nsadmin | can you dedicate a machine inside your net? |
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| 18:00.52 | nsadmin | also can you check the router's dhcp to see if it can provide apecific IPs per mac addr? |
| 18:01.14 | nsadmin | if yes for the latter, you don't need the former |
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| 18:02.27 | debnewby | hmmm no it does not give me such an option hmpf just to set port rules nothing more |
| 18:03.44 | nsadmin | how many machines do you have on your internal net? (well how many run debian)? |
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| 18:04.20 | debnewby | just 4 , 1 ubuntu , 1 deb , 1 deb server , 1 win7 |
| 18:04.44 | nsadmin | potentially the deb server could pull dhcp duty |
| 18:06.12 | debnewby | u mean by turning dhcp server off in router setting and set it manually via dhcp server i could fix that issue |
| 18:06.27 | debnewby | ? |
| 18:06.59 | nsadmin | it's one way out of many |
| 18:07.18 | nsadmin | but one thing I'm curious about before we do this whole big thing... |
| 18:07.53 | LRN | Could someone please write a dummy app that calls open ("dirname", O_RDONLY | O_CREAT | O_DIRECTORY, S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IRWXO); (where dirname is the name of existing directory) and check that it does fail with EISDIR? |
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| 18:09.14 | nsadmin | is whether the machine that you changed to static IP can run "ping yahoo.com" |
| 18:10.35 | debnewby | trying that hang on |
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| 18:11.54 | dcherniv | LRN, eh. dont see why it shouldnt fail. |
| 18:12.50 | debnewby | nsadmin: yes i can ping yahoo |
| 18:13.44 | debnewby | but that dhcp should not be your problem ... i just still dont get why putty/server refuses connection just because i changed from dhcp to static |
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| 18:15.03 | nsadmin | debnewby, so, your net is working fine |
| 18:15.25 | dcherniv | LRN, dcherniv@dimabook:~$ ./a.out |
| 18:15.26 | dcherniv | Cannot open output file |
| 18:15.26 | dcherniv | : Is a directory |
| 18:16.50 | LRN | dcherniv why output file? It's being opened in O_RDONLY mode |
| 18:17.10 | dcherniv | LRN, eh thats just printf. |
| 18:17.18 | nsadmin | maybe open doesn't open dirs |
| 18:17.27 | LRN | it opens them if you omit O_CREAT |
| 18:17.54 | LRN | however, POSIX says that O_CREAT should have no effect when file exists and O_EXCL is not specified |
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| 18:18.01 | dcherniv | LRN, nsadmin right you know. |
| 18:18.09 | nsadmin | do you want to make a dir? |
| 18:18.33 | nsadmin | you would use mkdir() for that :) |
| 18:18.33 | LRN | i don't want anything, i'm checking for POSIX compliance |
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| 18:19.16 | nsadmin | isn't there a test in autoconf for posix compliance? |
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| 18:19.50 | LRN | i doubt that autoconf runs open() with all possible oflag permutations |
| 18:19.59 | LRN | (to test its compliance) |
| 18:20.03 | nsadmin | all possible? |
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| 18:20.11 | dcherniv | LRN, i'd say that POSIX compliance goes out the window when you try to use undocumented functions |
| 18:20.12 | LRN | well, i did choose a subset |
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| 18:20.20 | dcherniv | LRN, like using open to open a dir |
| 18:20.31 | LRN | dcherniv, using open() on a directory is documented, AFAIU |
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| 18:21.00 | LRN | There's even an O_DIRECTORY flag to ONLY open directories (not files) |
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| 18:21.18 | nsadmin | and that's in posix? |
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| 18:21.28 | LRN | yes |
| 18:21.32 | LRN | http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/open.html |
| 18:21.48 | LRN | [EISDIR] The named file is a directory and oflag includes O_WRONLY or O_RDWR. |
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| 18:22.02 | LRN | however, i'm not using O_WRONLY or O_RDWR |
| 18:22.21 | LRN | (unless O_RDWR == O_RDONLY) |
| 18:23.19 | dcherniv | LRN, O_DIRECTORY |
| 18:23.20 | dcherniv | If pathname is not a directory, cause the open to fail. This flag is Linux-specific, and was added in kernel version 2.1.126, to avoid denial-of-service problems if opendir(3) is called on a FIFO or tape device, but should not be used outside of the implementation of opendir(3). |
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| 18:23.56 | LRN | :-\ |
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| 18:24.17 | dcherniv | :P |
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| 18:26.31 | LRN | ok, so, since it was intended for opendir(3) implementations, they didn't bother to check its interaction with other flags (such as O_CREAT), because opendir(3) is not supposed to have anything with O_CREAT... |
| 18:28.41 | LRN | (at least that is how it appears to me) |
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| 18:29.06 | dcherniv | LRN, ok O_CREAT in case of open() creates a regular file if the file didnt exist |
| 18:29.15 | dcherniv | LRN, even with O_DIRECTORY flag |
| 18:29.25 | LRN | cool |
| 18:29.35 | dcherniv | LRN, when you try to open that same file with the same function again it will fail because the file is not a directory |
| 18:29.41 | LRN | (actually, it's my fault; i only tested on existing files) |
| 18:29.54 | somiaj | nru: moudle-assistant is just a crappier version of dkms, it is tools to build the module on the machine |
| 18:30.21 | somiaj | nru: in that case use make-kpkg on your build machine to build a custom kernel (and cusomt module packages for that kernel) then distribute those packages via your own repo |
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| 18:31.53 | tables | how do you figure out what command belongs to what package? |
| 18:31.59 | tables | i wanna figure out what package 'gem' belongs to |
| 18:32.06 | somiaj | tables: dpkg -S /full/path is best |
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| 18:32.40 | tables | user@ubuntu:~$ whereis gem |
| 18:32.40 | tables | gem: /usr/bin/gem /usr/bin/X11/gem /usr/share/man/man1/gem.1.gz |
| 18:32.40 | tables | user@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/X11/gem |
| 18:32.41 | tables | doesnt work |
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| 18:37.33 | gcr | So we use logwatch to monitor all of our computers. However, this generates N emails each night and I have to pare through them all which is yucky. Is there a centralized alternative that only emails me changes each night, or something? |
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| 18:37.56 | gcr | ideally generating a "summary report" for all 20 machines |
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| 18:38.31 | somiaj | tables: first off this is not #ubuntu so take your support there. Also make sure you are asking about the actual file (and not some link) |
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| 18:38.46 | tekbwainz | hey guys i lost audo |
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| 18:38.54 | tekbwainz | reinstalled alsa-base |
| 18:39.01 | tekbwainz | nothing .. |
| 18:39.01 | confusid | I used update-rc.d -f gdm remove and when I boot the system up. (debian squeeze 64) gdm starts up. |
| 18:39.28 | somiaj | confusid: problem is the next time gdm is upgraded it will put the links back in there |
| 18:39.48 | tekbwainz | anyone ? |
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| 18:39.50 | confusid | shouldn't that at least stop it from working at the moment? |
| 18:39.51 | somiaj | confusid: you want to either a) update-rc.d gdm disable or b) /msg dpkg nodm (and follow its advise about disabling the dm) |
| 18:39.57 | tharkun | gcr: There are lots of variables that are involved on whatever you are doing. You can centralize logging or you can use a client that can handle lots of emails fast. |
| 18:40.11 | confusid | somiaj: ty |
| 18:40.26 | somiaj | confusid: I personally would /msg dpkg nodm and echo false > /etc/X11/<what ever the file is called> |
| 18:40.28 | tharkun | As allways all the inbetween solutions might require some aditional cretivity |
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| 18:40.56 | dcherniv | gcr, cacti is one option |
| 18:41.00 | somiaj | confusid: but in general disable is better than remove (as it will keep the links from being put back) |
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| 18:43.02 | confusid | cannot find LSB script for gdm.. I'm guessing that is due to me using remove. |
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| 18:43.57 | somiaj | well the LSB script should be at /etc/init.d/gdm -- so is the script there? the links is all you should have removed, but yea I guess you should update-rc.d gdm defaults first |
| 18:43.59 | lawltoad | hi, if i want to get a package added to the repos (and eventually trickle into the ubuntu repos) how do I do that? how long would that likely take? do i have to be one of that projects core developers to put this in motion? |
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| 18:44.46 | confusid | somiaj: last question. dpkg wants me to remove it so then if I purge it later I would only reinstall to have things back to normal? |
| 18:44.49 | ompaul | lawltoad: you are going to do a debian package? |
| 18:44.59 | somiaj | lawltoad: there is a page you can send wishlist bugs for packages...though if you want a more active approach you need to find a dev who will do it, you can /msg dpkg mentors or ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net and see if you can get someone to support your package |
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| 18:46.05 | somiaj | lawltoad: if your eventail goal is to get the package in ubuntu, I would go though their support and depending on the package debian may not accept it. I would first make sure the package meets the DSFG as it may be harder to get it in debian if it dosen't (we do have non-free but that is really for popular stuff) |
| 18:46.39 | somiaj | well mostly used for popular non-free stuff. Again the biggest issue is finding a debian matainer to support the package |
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| 18:49.02 | confusid | WOW... 1 gig of space freed up by removeing gdm3. |
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| 18:50.12 | AlexLikeRock | i try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ,,,, and a i have troubles http://paste.debian.net/212800/ |
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| 18:50.28 | somiaj | confusid: that seems inccorrect. be sure you didn't remove other stuff you want. |
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| 18:51.25 | confusid | I used apt-get remove --purge gdm3 |
| 18:51.33 | confusid | it is a vm so if I break it I wont cry :) |
| 18:51.47 | somiaj | confusid: did you see what other packages got removed with that, because it sounds like you removed all of gnome |
| 18:52.12 | somiaj | confusid: hmm, well I guess apt-get doesn't autoremove by default...still seems strange to me |
| 18:52.26 | confusid | sun java and other things I have never seen them before |
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| 18:52.43 | confusid | will try to reboot then go into gnome |
| 18:52.48 | confusid | see if it did break something. |
| 18:52.51 | somiaj | yea you removed a lot of your system if 1gig is freed up, hopefully it wasn't anything vital...(: |
| 18:53.03 | AlexLikeRock | i try to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ,,,, and a i have troubles http://paste.debian.net/212800/ |
| 18:53.05 | somiaj | my guess is a good amount of gnome went with it |
| 18:53.30 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: first I would use 'wheezy' instead of 'testing' in your sources.list (this is just good habbit) and comment out the iceweasel one at the time |
| 18:53.47 | confusid | notify and other things.. so yes almost if not all of gnome.. |
| 18:54.10 | confusid | fresh vm.. just going threw so I can remember how things work.. |
| 18:54.12 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: (i.e. you don't want experiemential there for the upgrade). Also are you mixing synaptic with apt-get? |
| 18:54.15 | confusid | tired of breaking my laptop :) |
| 18:54.33 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: you don't give enough useful errors but try 'apt-get -f install' or 'aptitude -f install' and see if it gives you any train solutions. |
| 18:54.34 | AlexLikeRock | nop , i dont mix |
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| 18:55.05 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: you do mix an unoffical repo (I can see it in your sources.list) -- so I'm saying for now comment that one out and focus on the upgrade |
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| 18:55.26 | AlexLikeRock | ehy it better "weezy" thatn "testing" |
| 18:55.44 | somiaj | testing is a link, wheezy is the actual codename |
| 18:55.44 | AlexLikeRock | ok |
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| 18:56.01 | somiaj | once wheezy stabilizes testing will start to point at jessie and stable will point at wheezy |
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| 18:56.15 | somiaj | so it is better to stick with wheezy and only upgrade to the new testing (jessie) at the time of your want and choosing |
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| 18:56.36 | lawltoad | ompaul, somiaj thanks I'll look into it more |
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| 19:01.04 | confusid | somiaj: hahah.. I cant log out of it. |
| 19:02.09 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj done |
| 19:02.11 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/212805/ |
| 19:02.33 | AlexLikeRock | how to upgrato wheezy ? |
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| 19:04.31 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude update |
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| 19:04.45 | AlexLikeRock | and aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 19:05.58 | engla | I think it's recommended to use apt-get |
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| 19:06.47 | confusid | Also need to change source.list from squeeze if thats what you are on to wheezy. |
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| 19:09.07 | gasoline | hi peeps |
| 19:09.22 | gasoline | how s upgrading from squeeze to unstable ? |
| 19:09.40 | sney | gasoline: what do you mean |
| 19:10.10 | gasoline | is it doable ? |
| 19:10.26 | sney | http://deb.li/sidfaq read this |
| 19:10.36 | gasoline | not clicking any links here sorry |
| 19:10.38 | sney | but the answer is yes. that's the normal way to install sid |
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| 19:11.02 | sney | un-shortened url http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ it's official and you NEED this info if you want to run sid. |
| 19:11.10 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 19:11.34 | bluesm | I have problem the chromium plays audio in very low volume... |
| 19:12.16 | gasoline | but the upgrade from squeeze is just to change the sourceslist line ? |
| 19:13.01 | gasoline | like as in: s/squeeze/unstable/ |
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| 19:13.14 | sney | gasoline: yes, for the main mirror. and comment out or remove squeeze-specific lines like security and updates |
| 19:13.29 | stew | gasoline: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 19:13.39 | gasoline | and i wont run into any problems you say ? |
| 19:13.43 | sney | heh |
| 19:13.54 | stew | gasoline: you should expect problems |
| 19:13.57 | sney | well, only the problems you'd expect from running a branch of debian that is called "unstable" |
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| 19:15.38 | bluesm | Do you know what could be the problem ? |
| 19:15.43 | markovh | anyone know what image the pxelinux.cfg and so on files for pxe booting are in? i downloaded the business card and i don't see it in there |
| 19:16.03 | markovh | the wiki on http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall just says Download netboot/netboot.tar.gz from a Debian mirror, |
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| 19:16.20 | markovh | i've done some google fu like inurl: netboot/netboot.tar.gz but only dodgy looking stuff |
| 19:16.22 | sney | markovh: netboot isn't in an iso, the files are hosted separately |
| 19:16.37 | keith4_ | markovh: every mirror has the netboot.tar.gz file |
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| 19:17.27 | markovh | sney: i know it isn't an iso, it's normally ON the iso |
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| 19:17.55 | sney | markovh: except I just said it isn't. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ here they are, though |
| 19:17.56 | keith4_ | markovh: for example, http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/20110106+b1/images/netboot/ |
| 19:17.56 | markovh | keith4_: so how do i get it? how would one even know the list of mirrors or under what url to find it |
| 19:18.14 | sney | conveniently linked from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 19:18.23 | markovh | sney: thanks |
| 19:18.25 | keith4_ | ^ what sney said ;-) |
| 19:18.28 | markovh | or rather you both got it |
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| 19:18.56 | Seryth | Hey. I'm using Wheezy, with Openbox and thunar. I'm trying tou mount a memory stick that's showing up in Thunar, but if I click it, it says "permission denied"...how can I get round this? |
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| 19:19.32 | sney | bluesm: is it only chromium or other apps as well? |
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| 19:19.45 | confusid | Seryth: one thing I do is sudo thunar from command line then open it that way as root. |
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| 19:21.06 | Seryth | confusid: I tried that, but after I ran "sudo thunar" I got a message saying: No progocol specified. Thunar: Cannot open display. |
| 19:21.10 | Seryth | uh, protocol* |
| 19:21.10 | bluesm | sney: Yes. |
| 19:21.23 | bluesm | sney: But I think that it's not chromium side problem.. |
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| 19:21.49 | Brigo | Seryth: are there some information in syslogO |
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| 19:21.57 | Brigo | s/O/? |
| 19:22.02 | confusid | try to run that from command line in /home/user. |
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| 19:22.48 | Brigo | i know about some issues with mounting and consolekit |
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| 19:23.11 | Seryth | confusid: I'm in /home/user... |
| 19:23.29 | Seryth | Brigo: Where are the sys logs? |
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| 19:23.43 | confusid | I'm not sure how to test what is wrong. Something is not happy. :/ |
| 19:24.29 | sje46 | Ugggggg. almost everytime I try to use apt-get, it gets stuck on unpacking a package. And it just won't get stuck. It's fine when I restart, but the same problem happens again later. |
| 19:24.30 | Brigo | Seryth: /var/log/syslog |
| 19:24.30 | Seryth | confusid: Is there a way I can see the /dev/s** of the device? Then I could mount it fromt erimanl... |
| 19:24.33 | Seryth | from terminal* |
| 19:24.58 | alusion | I forgot my debian password..... I have knoppix booted up, how do I go about this? |
| 19:25.00 | sney | sje46: does it lock up the whole system or just apt |
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| 19:25.11 | Brigo | Seryth: in syslog when you plug it in. |
| 19:25.18 | sney | !tell alusion about forgot root password |
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| 19:25.31 | Brigo | alusion: modify the /etc/passwd archive |
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| 19:25.42 | confusid | Seryth: Mount will show you |
| 19:25.42 | sje46 | sney: apt. |
| 19:25.55 | confusid | it will show all mounted items |
| 19:25.57 | sney | Brigo: no, /etc/passwd does not contain passwords. |
| 19:26.03 | stew | usually |
| 19:26.08 | Seryth | mount doesn't show me, confusid |
| 19:26.10 | alusion | I thought it was the shadow file |
| 19:26.30 | Brigo | sney: yes, ok, but you can modify it for non asking password |
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| 19:26.39 | stew | Brigo: what? |
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| 19:27.00 | sney | alusion: really, chrooting into the system and changing it with the 'passwd' command is the straightforward option. |
| 19:27.01 | acu | !paste |
| 19:27.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:27.08 | bluesm | ? |
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| 19:27.17 | stew | alusion: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 19:27.30 | alusion | sney, with these directions -- do I even need to boot a live cd? Or can I do it from grub |
| 19:27.31 | sney | stew: way ahead of you |
| 19:27.39 | sney | alusion: either or |
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| 19:27.44 | stew | sney: ah indeed :) |
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| 19:28.07 | confusid | Seryth: when I use mount I see all items.. My sd card shows as /dev/sdc1 on /media/disk type vfat |
| 19:28.07 | eizu | alusion: note that you don't really need knoppix or a LiveCD for that, in case you need it in the future. |
| 19:28.25 | Brigo | stew: delete the x in root:x:.....? |
| 19:28.39 | confusid | Seryth: have you changed anything on your system recently? Ware you running stable? |
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| 19:29.17 | sney | bluesm: so it is only in chromium? |
| 19:29.32 | Seryth | confusid: I was running stable, updated to testing |
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| 19:32.20 | confusid | Seryth: I think this is over my head. |
| 19:32.27 | bluesm | sney: Yes. |
| 19:32.31 | confusid | I run only stable |
| 19:33.41 | Seryth | confusid: Arite, well thanks :) |
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| 19:33.57 | confusid | Seryth: Look at http://www.oftc.net/Â in #debian-next |
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| 19:34.08 | confusid | irc* |
| 19:34.12 | Seryth | right |
| 19:34.13 | Seryth | thanks |
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| 19:34.36 | confusid | irc://irc.oftc.net:6667 |
| 19:34.47 | confusid | they handle Sid |
| 19:34.52 | Seryth | Wheezy? |
| 19:34.57 | sney | sid and wheezy |
| 19:35.05 | Seryth | Okay, well thanks for the info |
| 19:35.18 | Seryth | (I just tried installing gparted, I can't even start gparted O.o) |
| 19:35.32 | Seryth | (gpartedbin:29552): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 |
| 19:35.38 | sney | !warning |
| 19:35.39 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 19:36.53 | gnarface | Seryth: gparted requires that you be running X; try running parted instead perhaps? |
| 19:37.07 | Seryth | gnarface: I *am* running X, but okay |
| 19:37.18 | gnarface | Seryth: are you the user that started X? |
| 19:37.43 | Seryth | gnarface: Not sure. I just boot up the computer and it all starts fine and dandy - I use xdm. |
| 19:38.01 | gnarface | hmm. so perhaps not then |
| 19:38.07 | gnarface | try typing xhost + |
| 19:38.10 | stew | no |
| 19:38.15 | stew | not xhost |
| 19:38.22 | stew | !run stuff as root |
| 19:38.22 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
| 19:38.34 | Seryth | I tried gksu gparted, didn't work |
| 19:38.41 | alusion | I just wanna let you guys know.. |
| 19:38.45 | alusion | I remembered my password |
| 19:38.59 | Seryth | stew: However, gksudo did work...hrm |
| 19:39.21 | Seryth | /dev/sdd, yay! Now I can mount it in terminal... |
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| 19:39.58 | bluesm | ? |
| 19:40.00 | gnarface | xhost is perfectly valid as a debugging measure |
| 19:40.07 | gnarface | its not secure |
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| 19:40.12 | bluesm | There is any configuration to alsa to particular programs ? |
| 19:40.13 | gnarface | but most debugging isn't |
| 19:40.18 | Seryth | Hm.../dev/sdd1 not found in fstab or mtab apparantly |
| 19:40.23 | stew | gnarface: xhost + means among other things "allow anyone from anywhere to log my keystrokes remotely" |
| 19:40.29 | Seryth | that's after running sudo mount /dev/sdd1 |
| 19:40.50 | Seryth | Oooh |
| 19:40.53 | Seryth | it's fat32 |
| 19:40.56 | gnarface | stew: duh! you think i don't know that? but if it works then you've identified the problem and you can revise the mask to only allow who you want |
| 19:40.58 | Seryth | I need to install some things to read it |
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| 19:41.21 | stew | gnarface: I think knowingly giving out bad advice is probably a worse offense |
| 19:41.32 | gnarface | stew: if the problem is actually something OTHER than a dumb permissions issue and you're trying to debug it through fucking gksudo you'll be there all week |
| 19:41.48 | gnarface | stew: i wouldn't have suggested he leave it that way |
| 19:42.00 | stew | gnarface: you could have suggested far safer alternatives |
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| 19:42.21 | gnarface | stew: i was verifying a problem first |
| 19:42.40 | gnarface | stew: maybe you misunderstand that you had interrupted a conversation in progress |
| 19:42.43 | stew | gnarface: you could have suggested far safer alternatives |
| 19:43.35 | stew | I don't believe it is ever okay to run "xhost +" because it is so unsafe, its an especially poor chose to try to solve a local problem |
| 19:43.35 | gnarface | stew: "here also install this thing that you might not have installed that might have abnormally long dependency lists before we identify the problem" yea right get off your high horse and find a better hobby than just telling people they're wrong all day |
| 19:44.53 | stew | heh |
| 19:45.53 | Seryth | gnarface, stew, confusid bluesm: I managed to get it to mount by using gksu gparted-pkexec, then found out the /dev/s** and then mounted it with sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /media/usb |
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| 19:47.32 | gnarface | Seryth: if you're making any significant changes to the layout you might find it more useful to be doing this from a live cd |
| 19:47.59 | gnarface | Seryth: oh unless that's not your boot drive then nevermind |
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| 19:48.21 | stew | he's not trying to change anything |
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| 19:51.30 | Seryth | gnarface: I needed to mount a friends memory stick so I could copy a film over, heheh |
| 19:51.53 | gnarface | Seryth: why does that require gparted now? |
| 19:51.56 | stew | Seryth: "fdisk -l" or "parted -l" will just list all known partitions |
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| 19:52.14 | gnarface | usually just looks in /dev |
| 19:53.07 | Seryth | Indeed |
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| 19:59.12 | HelenB_ | Okies VLC even tho I don't like it doesn't use hardly any CPU. mplayer uses up my CPU very slowly. I an tried -vo xv and -framedrop with still no success. :( |
| 19:59.26 | HelenB_ | I have an Intel Atom 1.60GHz. |
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| 19:59.53 | nsadmin | slowly? do you mean it gradually uses more and more cpu? |
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| 20:00.21 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 20:00.26 | nsadmin | also what do you consider "success" right now? |
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| 20:00.48 | HelenB_ | works fine at first then after minutes of playtime my CPU usage gets high and the playback gets sluggish. |
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| 20:00.54 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: What do you mean? |
| 20:01.26 | nsadmin | earlier you said you tried it without success, and I wan't clear then what you were after |
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| 20:02.03 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: I still get the same experience even with -vo xv and -framedrop . |
| 20:02.28 | HelenB_ | If VLC can play without using up hardly any CPU then surely mplayer which is waaaaaaay more powerful can do it! |
| 20:02.33 | nsadmin | and this experience is where cpu percentage is leaking? |
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| 20:02.40 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Yes. :( |
| 20:03.26 | nsadmin | does vlc leak like that? |
| 20:03.45 | HelenB_ | I managed to go a quarter way through a video just fine with mplayer before the CPU got to 90% then the vid went sluggish. |
| 20:03.48 | wols_ | HelenB_: wrong. VLC has some hardware acceleration, smplayer (for windows at least) does not |
| 20:03.53 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Not at all but I hate VLC. |
| 20:04.12 | wols_ | HelenB_: mplayer isn't exactly "powerful" |
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| 20:04.36 | HelenB_ | I heard mplayer has hardware acceleration too. |
| 20:04.46 | n1md4 | hello. has anyone played with iscsi? I'me getting this warning "iscsid: connect to 10.99.99.10:3260 failed (No route to host)" and indeed there isn't, it's now 10.99.99.21, but this message is spamming syslog. |
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| 20:04.55 | n1md4 | Does anyone know how to step it? |
| 20:04.56 | nsadmin | maybe HelenB means expressive by "powerful", does what she wants? |
| 20:04.59 | lokErik-on-Arch | ffmpeg try it out, it aint recource heavy. |
| 20:05.07 | n1md4 | s/-step/stop |
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| 20:05.36 | HelenB_ | Maybe ffmpeg is what VLC uses by default and mplayer doesn't use it by default. |
| 20:06.09 | lokErik-on-Arch | well if you dont need the fancy gui.. might get the cpu down |
| 20:06.26 | wols_ | HelenB_: what videocard do you have? I'm not sure if mplayer uses anything but vdpau |
| 20:06.29 | HelenB_ | Dafuq?! |
| 20:06.32 | nsadmin | fancy n gooey... yum! |
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| 20:06.37 | HelenB_ | what? |
| 20:06.56 | HelenB_ | I have an Intel GMA. |
| 20:07.11 | HelenB_ | I know it's low end but it can run lots of video stuff just fine. |
| 20:07.22 | HelenB_ | unless it's a game ofc. |
| 20:09.18 | HelenB_ | What video output does VLC use by default? It's just the output is on "Default" and I want to use the same output in mplayer. :/ |
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| 20:11.07 | nsadmin | HelenB, so vlc is not using the output you want? |
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| 20:11.31 | HelenB_ | I want to know what output VLC is using nsadmin. |
| 20:11.47 | HelenB_ | the output is on "Default" but what is the default? |
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| 20:11.56 | lokErik-on-Arch | like codec and such? |
| 20:12.06 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:12.09 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 20:12.09 | nsadmin | is that in some config file for vlc? |
| 20:12.12 | HelenB_ | no |
| 20:12.17 | HelenB_ | it's in the properties |
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| 20:12.29 | nsadmin | properties for... vlc? |
| 20:12.33 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 20:12.40 | HelenB_ | Am I not speaking clear? |
| 20:12.52 | lokErik-on-Arch | try play a vid and check the menu under tools->Codec |
| 20:12.54 | nsadmin | no, I'm just slow :) |
| 20:13.18 | HelenB_ | It's annoying. |
| 20:13.19 | nsadmin | also I want to make sure about certain things... bear with me :) |
| 20:13.30 | gnarface | HelenB_: you mean default for alsa output? |
| 20:13.48 | HelenB_ | video output |
| 20:13.56 | HelenB_ | it uses pulse by default for the audio. |
| 20:14.06 | nsadmin | is that good for you? |
| 20:14.24 | nsadmin | (aka do you have pulse configured and working) |
| 20:14.31 | lokErik-on-Arch | Aha2Y, i bet the sound aint the problem ;D |
| 20:14.32 | HelenB_ | okies |
| 20:14.35 | HelenB_ | it uses xvid |
| 20:14.39 | gnarface | ripped pulse out with pliers |
| 20:14.48 | HelenB_ | ... |
| 20:14.57 | HelenB_ | Don't talk about the audio it's fine! |
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| 20:15.05 | HelenB_ | it's my own custom setup that I know works. |
| 20:15.11 | HelenB_ | it's the video that's the problem! |
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| 20:16.15 | nsadmin | HelenB_, give us a break :) I know that when you're swimming in a problem it can be very frustrating, and I would still ask for some patience and some deep breaths :) |
| 20:16.21 | stew | HelenB_: you want to know what video output like which screen? window? what? xvid is a possible codec for input, not for output |
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| 20:17.50 | HelenB_ | stew: It says it's using mpegxvid or something like that. |
| 20:18.03 | gnarface | stew: video output in vlc is x11 driver-level stuff like -vo in mplayer |
| 20:18.14 | stew | gnarface: yes, its not xvid though |
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| 20:18.28 | gnarface | xv, opengl, directfb probably one of those |
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| 20:18.51 | gnarface | HelenB_: ^^^ |
| 20:18.56 | gnarface | HelenB_: that's just my guess |
| 20:18.57 | HelenB_ | MS MPEG-4 VIDEO V3 (DIV3_ |
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| 20:19.08 | HelenB_ | s/_/) |
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| 20:20.25 | gnarface | HelenB_: that's separate from the video output that's your media's file format and yea it looks like it could be xvid or divx |
| 20:20.49 | gnarface | HelenB_: where did you copy+paste that from? |
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| 20:21.08 | HelenB_ | xvidix? |
| 20:21.12 | HelenB_ | gnarface: From VLC. |
| 20:21.20 | HelenB_ | it wasn't a copypasta. lol |
| 20:21.31 | HelenB_ | it's from codec information when playing a vid. lol |
| 20:21.49 | stew | codecs are input, not output |
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| 20:22.02 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:22.10 | HelenB_ | then what is the default output?! O.o |
| 20:22.16 | HelenB_ | for VLC? |
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| 20:24.02 | HelenB_ | I don't have a heatsink or anything. on the specs of this CPU it says it requires a heatsink. O.o |
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| 20:24.28 | stew | HelenB_: is your cpu being throttled? |
| 20:24.41 | HelenB_ | stew: What do you mean? |
| 20:24.44 | nsadmin | HelenB, at the risk of riling you further (hope not tho), when you say "what is the default (video) output", are you saying there are multiple physical outputs on the card, and that the video you're playing sometimes uses the wrong physical output? |
| 20:25.02 | HelenB_ | no? |
| 20:25.03 | stew | nsadmin: no, |
| 20:25.15 | stew | that could explain the whole thing. you start playing a video, cpu starts getting warm, thermal protection scales back your cpu speed to cool it down, and therefore the relative load goes up |
| 20:25.16 | HelenB_ | I'm saying VLC is set to "Default" output! for fuck sake :/ |
| 20:25.19 | nsadmin | then I'm not understanding what's going on |
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| 20:25.20 | HelenB_ | Sorry i should part |
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| 20:25.29 | HelenB_ | I'm getting annoyed sorry not ur fault |
| 20:25.51 | nsadmin | sorry to hear that |
| 20:26.13 | lokErik-on-Arch | HelenB_, well the Default output is what you are seeing on the screen, its the X-server :0 |
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| 20:26.29 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 20:26.33 | stew | nsadmin: vlc has output choices like opengl, xvideo, and a bunch others or "Default", she's asking which fo the others is the default |
| 20:26.36 | codekK | Hi all, someone can help me with a true table of encoder 16:4 lines ?? please :S |
| 20:26.48 | stew | and my guess is that "default" means "autodetect" |
| 20:26.57 | nsadmin | oh I see now; thanks |
| 20:27.12 | lokErik-on-Arch | if you add up like an extra setup wit a different dm or the same on another tty you whuld be able to choose Output to :1 |
| 20:27.30 | stew | no |
| 20:27.37 | HelenB_ | lokErik-on-Arch: Whyy would I want to do thaT? |
| 20:27.38 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 20:27.53 | stew | HelenB_: just ignore it |
| 20:28.02 | HelenB_ | stew: Ignore what? |
| 20:28.06 | lokErik-on-Arch | hehe, consider you type into an ssh -X .. |
| 20:28.09 | stew | the random facts coming at you |
| 20:28.21 | HelenB_ | ... |
| 20:28.31 | HelenB_ | lokErik-on-Arch: I'm not on SSH. |
| 20:28.39 | lokErik-on-Arch | :) |
| 20:28.45 | HelenB_ | Am I being trolled? |
| 20:28.49 | HelenB_ | if I am just say so. |
| 20:29.08 | stew | HelenB_: i would check dmesg and watch your processor speed and temperature if you have a way |
| 20:29.19 | stew | my guess now is that your cpu is overheating and being throttled |
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| 20:29.22 | HelenB_ | stew: In my status bar |
| 20:29.30 | stew | i don't know |
| 20:29.36 | HelenB_ | it's at 70C always has been. |
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| 20:29.50 | sney | 70C is a bit high, but survivable |
| 20:29.58 | nsadmin | HelenB_, so if you were to choose something other than default, then (at least) you'd know which output type that's selected... as stew is suggesting, we don't necessarily know how this "default" output is calculated |
| 20:30.05 | sney | but if it doesn't fluctuate at all when you put more load on the CPU, it probably isn't showing you the right sensor |
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| 20:30.30 | HelenB_ | stew: it does but it's been getting nowhere near critical! |
| 20:30.30 | stew | HelenB_: i'd watch what the cpu speed does when you start playing the video |
| 20:30.31 | jerng | hi all! is something like a memcheck for VRAM? seems like my laptop graphics adapter is broken... |
| 20:30.36 | HelenB_ | it's been getting to 80C |
| 20:31.14 | lokErik-on-Arch | well as the Default output is showing on the screen, it aint any problem with the output. |
| 20:31.20 | nsadmin | jerng, maybe your video card borrows system ram to operate |
| 20:31.34 | stew | lokErik-on-Arch: huh? |
| 20:31.51 | stew | lokErik-on-Arch: realize that some outputs are more efficient than others, and she has an apparant efficiency problem |
| 20:31.57 | HelenB_ | Woah?! |
| 20:31.58 | lokErik-on-Arch | well he can see the output, so it aint any problem with it. |
| 20:31.58 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 20:32.05 | HelenB_ | I can view videos like a matrix?! |
| 20:32.06 | lokErik-on-Arch | yes, true |
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| 20:32.22 | HelenB_ | No seriously! |
| 20:32.22 | stew | lokErik-on-Arch: i don't believe you understand the problem then |
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| 20:32.28 | stew | HelenB_: with libaa? |
| 20:32.47 | HelenB_ | bloody hell does that use a lot of CPU! |
| 20:32.57 | HelenB_ | stew: It processes the graphics into a matrix O.o |
| 20:33.09 | stew | "bb" is the demo from the people that first came up with that |
| 20:33.11 | stew | and aafire is fun |
| 20:33.12 | HelenB_ | it's a video ouput called "matrixView" |
| 20:33.15 | jerng | nsadmin: i'va already switched the ram modules (mem1 into ram slot2 and vice versa), but problem still present |
| 20:33.15 | stew | ah |
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| 20:34.24 | HelenB_ | I have an OpenGL animation running 24/7 as my desktop background... it's a Matrix and it only uses a couple percentage of CPU. |
| 20:34.35 | HelenB_ | I should play this vid in GL and see how it performs. :3 |
| 20:34.53 | stew | i would guess that matrixView must be libaa |
| 20:35.10 | HelenB_ | er... |
| 20:35.11 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 20:35.32 | codekK | Hi all, someone can help me with a true table of encoder 16:4 lines ?? please :S |
| 20:35.37 | HelenB_ | from 34% to 72% O.o |
| 20:35.42 | HelenB_ | it's not going over that at all. |
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| 20:35.57 | HelenB_ | oh oh oh it hit 80% |
| 20:36.17 | stew | and what is your current cpu speed? |
| 20:36.19 | HelenB_ | it's back to 70% hmm |
| 20:36.27 | HelenB_ | stew: 1600GHz |
| 20:36.31 | HelenB_ | Noooo! |
| 20:36.37 | HelenB_ | It's going sluggish :( |
| 20:36.38 | HelenB_ | OMFG |
| 20:36.42 | HelenB_ | VLC never did this! |
| 20:37.33 | HelenB_ | I don't like VLC tho. |
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| 20:38.23 | stew | HelenB_: how are you checking cpu speed? |
| 20:38.26 | HelenB_ | Come on there must be a way to get mplayer as less resource hungry as VLC. |
| 20:38.38 | HelenB_ | stew: er... |
| 20:38.42 | HelenB_ | conky |
| 20:38.51 | HelenB_ | I can do it through CLI tho |
| 20:38.53 | HelenB_ | if u want me to |
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| 20:40.13 | gnarface | HelenB_: yea depends on your video card though like for me with a NVIDIA card and the binary proprietary drivers i use -vo vdpau:deint=4,hqscaling:9 |
| 20:40.42 | gnarface | HelenB_: check the man page and read the -vo section |
| 20:40.56 | HelenB_ | gnarface: I know |
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| 20:41.18 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy (I think there are even some testing release notes out there, but not sure how detailed they are on the upgrading process yet) |
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| 20:44.23 | ross` | does debian have a freenx client/server package |
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| 20:45.26 | sney | ross`: no |
| 20:46.06 | HelenB_ | gnarface: There is no vo section. :/ |
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| 20:46.31 | ross` | sney: what does debian have |
| 20:46.33 | yac | why am i getting the output1 on my repo, instead of the output2 like ... http://pastebin.blesmrt.net/2783/ ? |
| 20:46.38 | gnarface | HelenB_: try searching for "VIDEO OUTPUT DRIVERS (MPLAYER ONLY)" |
| 20:46.39 | ross` | for nx like |
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| 20:47.02 | HelenB_ | gnarface: How? O.o |
| 20:47.28 | gnarface | HelenB_: if you type a / key you will see at the bottom left you are given a prompt like ":" |
| 20:47.38 | gnarface | HelenB_: type your search pattern in then hit enter |
| 20:47.42 | HelenB_ | gnarface: no? |
| 20:47.45 | stew | yac: those appear to be very different sources.list entries, what exactly are you expecting to be different |
| 20:47.46 | HelenB_ | the prompt is / |
| 20:48.07 | gnarface | HelenB_: my bad you're right its / but that's the right prompt |
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| 20:48.20 | yac | stew: i expect them to be similar. especialy I don't get why there are the "^Get*" lines |
| 20:48.45 | gnarface | HelenB_: oh the parenthesis need to be escaped or they get parsed. just search for VIDEO OUTPUT DRIVERS that will be easier |
| 20:48.53 | yac | stew: and it doesnt seem to recognize my Packages.gz in there ... could it be an issue with the format/data of the Release file? |
| 20:49.01 | stew | yac: Get means "I fetched this file". Hit means "I didn't have to fetch this file, I already had it cached" and "Ign" means "this file doesn't exist, but that's okay, i don't really need it" |
| 20:49.09 | sney | ross`: just things like xrdp. freenx is a messy implementation of a good idea; if someone cleans it up and removes all the duplications of things like X code included in it and releases that, it may get into debian |
| 20:49.15 | stew | yac: what makes you think that your Packages.gz is not recognized? |
| 20:49.50 | yac | stew: http://pastebin.blesmrt.net/2784/ this is my Release file |
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| 20:50.18 | stew | ok |
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| 20:50.27 | yac | stew: on the other repos, it prints them like Hit http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Sources |
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| 20:50.37 | yac | wait, wrong line, like Hit http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates/main i386 Packages |
| 20:50.38 | gnarface | HelenB_: the string accepted is actually a pattern, so if you want to search for certain special characters you'd have to enter them like this: VIDEO OUTPUT DRIVERS \(MPLAYER ONLY\) |
| 20:50.41 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Tried your option.... |
| 20:50.42 | yac | but on mine repo, it doesnt |
| 20:50.43 | HelenB_ | for vo |
| 20:50.46 | ross` | does the package.debianbase.de repository still work? |
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| 20:50.52 | HelenB_ | CPU very low no picture? O.o |
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| 20:51.08 | gnarface | HelenB_: i get a picture |
| 20:51.14 | gnarface | HelenB_: i use other options though... |
| 20:51.18 | stew | yac: d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e 0 Release |
| 20:51.23 | stew | yac: that's an empty file? |
| 20:51.26 | yac | stew: then if i try to search for the packages from my repo, they arent here |
| 20:51.53 | gnarface | HelenB_: maybe the "deint=4," part is messing it up? |
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| 20:52.01 | stew | (md5sum /dev/null matches the md5sum of your Release file) |
| 20:52.09 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Non of it is messing it up. |
| 20:52.17 | HelenB_ | even vpau anone doesn't work |
| 20:52.18 | HelenB_ | :/ |
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| 20:52.34 | HelenB_ | or vdpau |
| 20:52.35 | gnarface | HelenB_: what video card + driver did you say you were using again? |
| 20:52.41 | HelenB_ | Intel GMA |
| 20:53.05 | stew | yac: and what does your deb line look like? |
| 20:53.15 | yac | stew: yeah, probably. At the time it is generated it is 0 |
| 20:53.34 | nsadmin | HelenB_, and does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? |
| 20:54.09 | yac | stew: deb file:///repo_root stable main |
| 20:54.19 | ross` | root@serenity:/home/ross# dpkg -i nxserver_3.5.0-11_i386.deb |
| 20:54.19 | ross` | dpkg: error processing nxserver_3.5.0-11_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 20:54.19 | dpkg | ross`: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:54.26 | stew | yac: I don't know why your Release file would be mentioned in a Release file |
| 20:54.29 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: No. |
| 20:54.30 | HelenB_ | :o |
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| 20:54.37 | nsadmin | if yes maybe you can find the driver in that file... if no, maybe you can get it from one of the X logs in ~/ |
| 20:54.37 | ross` | do i need i386 libraries |
| 20:55.02 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, well i bet he aint playing around with wayland. Its prob, another dir only |
| 20:55.08 | yac | stew: it's generated like cd $repo_root/dists/stable; apt-ftparchive release -o $opts > Release |
| 20:55.18 | gnarface | HelenB_: sorry i don't know shit about that video card... you found the list of available drivers in the man page though right? |
| 20:55.21 | HelenB_ | sighs |
| 20:55.31 | HelenB_ | gnarface: yes |
| 20:55.47 | stew | yac: and what is the arch fo the machine you are updating from? |
| 20:55.55 | HelenB_ | Nothing likes me on this stupid machine :( |
| 20:56.22 | HelenB_ | I open up a web browser ANY WEB BROWSER and as long as it's graphical it overloads my CPU. :/ |
| 20:56.36 | HelenB_ | no matter what's running |
| 20:56.42 | HelenB_ | no matter what is installed |
| 20:56.51 | gnarface | 1.6ghz i'd sortof expect that |
| 20:56.51 | HelenB_ | no matter if I'm using a fresh install of debian |
| 20:57.01 | HelenB_ | my CPU always overloads :/ |
| 20:57.02 | wols_ | HelenB_: what cpu would that be? |
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| 20:57.14 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Then whyy did it come with Windows 7 Starter?! |
| 20:57.22 | HelenB_ | if it can't even browse the web?!" |
| 20:57.31 | HelenB_ | wols_: Intel Atom |
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| 20:57.36 | yac | stew: so i modified the script so it doesnt contain the Release file in Release file contents and it changes nothing |
| 20:57.43 | gnarface | HelenB_: why are you asking me that? i don't know why anything comes with windows 7 starter.. |
| 20:57.44 | yac | stew: i386 |
| 20:58.00 | stew | yac: do you already have a cached copy of Packages.gz? |
| 20:58.01 | HelenB_ | I removed Windows 7 because it was sluggish, unstable, freezes constantly, etc. |
| 20:58.55 | gnarface | HelenB_: well you know what? try the sdl one and try the xv one, i'd say. and try the opengl one. sometimes sdl and opengl give surprisingly good results |
| 20:59.12 | HelenB_ | :/ |
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| 20:59.18 | HelenB_ | I tried all three. |
| 20:59.20 | yac | stew: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:59.32 | yac | stew: could the files owner/group affect this? |
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| 20:59.43 | stew | yac: does it already exist in /var/lib/apt/lists? |
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| 21:00.12 | yac | stew: no |
| 21:00.15 | stew | I would expect the 4xx error to be displayed if it were a permissions problem |
| 21:00.28 | stew | but you can check to see if you can wget the packages file |
| 21:00.36 | yac | stew: even if it is on local filesystem? not going over http |
| 21:00.45 | stew | oh |
| 21:00.45 | HelenB_ | Dafuq is WRONG with u CPU?! |
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| 21:00.53 | stew | forget it was file:// |
| 21:00.54 | HelenB_ | whyy u not going up at all on the gl output?! |
| 21:00.56 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 21:01.08 | gnarface | HelenB_: success? |
| 21:01.12 | HelenB_ | It went from 30% to 80% last time I swear |
| 21:01.15 | HelenB_ | now it's like... |
| 21:01.20 | HelenB_ | it hasn't gone up at all! |
| 21:01.29 | stew | !enter |
| 21:01.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:01.34 | HelenB_ | gnarface: and gosh |
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| 21:01.48 | HelenB_ | I like how this vid fills every single part of my screen!!! :D |
| 21:01.53 | gnarface | HelenB_: probably something else in the background that was doing that? maybe you ended the test prematurely? |
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| 21:02.08 | yac | stew: chowing it to root:root doesnt help either |
| 21:02.15 | nsadmin | HelenB_, it's werkin? |
| 21:02.15 | HelenB_ | idk :/ |
| 21:02.18 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 21:02.18 | gnarface | HelenB_: that's a single-core chip right? i'd expect massive cpu overload any time you do too much multitasking while playing video |
| 21:02.19 | HelenB_ | :/ |
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| 21:02.24 | HelenB_ | with options that weren't working |
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| 21:02.48 | HelenB_ | gnarface: dual core |
| 21:02.49 | HelenB_ | lol |
| 21:02.56 | HelenB_ | but STILL |
| 21:02.58 | stew | HelenB_: please stop hitting enter so often |
| 21:03.03 | HelenB_ | dual core isn't much better |
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| 21:03.05 | gnarface | its possible it didn't work until i suggested it. i once willed a bakery into existence.... |
| 21:03.06 | HelenB_ | stew: Sorry :/ |
| 21:03.21 | yac | stew: any ideas how to debug this? |
| 21:03.23 | nsadmin | so it's workign and there's not an explanation as to why? |
| 21:03.28 | HelenB_ | gnarface: U have a magic voice! |
| 21:03.38 | gnarface | HelenB_: what kernel are you running? on that small of a system you may benefit from a custom kernel... |
| 21:03.43 | stew | does apt want a .bz2 by defualt now? |
| 21:04.12 | HelenB_ | I remember this CPU went high when guns started shooting and they were LOUD it could possibly be the audio. :/ |
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| 21:04.19 | stew | is that really a small system? i certainly used to watch videos many many cpus ago |
| 21:04.22 | HelenB_ | 3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 21:04.46 | nsadmin | hmm, HelenB_ it could be vibration |
| 21:04.53 | gnarface | HelenB_: oh... it definitely could be the audio, especially if its more than just stereo channels |
| 21:04.54 | HelenB_ | stew: Yes. :( probs same size as the raspi. |
| 21:05.05 | stew | no |
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| 21:05.07 | HelenB_ | but the raspi can watch HD vids just fine! |
| 21:05.23 | stew | my main tv machine used to be a pentium 4 |
| 21:05.35 | HelenB_ | okies guns are going off now and the CPU isn't going up at all. |
| 21:05.45 | HelenB_ | the temp keeps hovering |
| 21:05.48 | Christer-G__ | my RPi is displaying 1080p with stereo sound, ;) |
| 21:05.49 | stew | loud audio does not require more cpu than quiet audio |
| 21:05.56 | nsadmin | make suer the card is seated in its slot properly and stably, make SURE you put the screw in, some types of slots (especially agp) can be damaged too easily |
| 21:06.04 | stew | omg |
| 21:06.19 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: What? this is a solder mounted system |
| 21:06.24 | HelenB_ | mount soldered? |
| 21:06.24 | yac | stew: i added Packages.bz2, no change |
| 21:06.25 | Christer-G__ | Intel GMA is an Onbard |
| 21:06.31 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 21:06.44 | HelenB_ | apart from the RAM that's in a slot and ungradable. |
| 21:06.51 | stew | vibrations make my cpu load go higher is a new one |
| 21:07.01 | HelenB_ | *upgradable |
| 21:07.17 | HelenB_ | stew: So... |
| 21:07.28 | HelenB_ | if there was an earthquake ur CPU would overload? :o |
| 21:07.40 | HelenB_ | Heyyy I predict an earthquake! :D |
| 21:07.43 | stew | not in my experience |
| 21:07.54 | HelenB_ | Labrinth come in and overload stew's CPU with your foot! |
| 21:07.57 | nsadmin | stew, what else could it be? |
| 21:08.27 | HelenB_ | temp dropped by 3C |
| 21:08.39 | HelenB_ | the CPU isn't going higher than 40% at all. |
| 21:08.43 | Christer-G__ | still up at 70-80? |
| 21:08.50 | HelenB_ | This GL driver thingie is AWESOME! |
| 21:08.55 | HelenB_ | Christer-G__: Yes |
| 21:08.59 | HelenB_ | 70 is cool tho |
| 21:09.00 | yac | stew: http://pastebin.blesmrt.net/2786/ i think i got it |
| 21:09.23 | nsadmin | HelenB_, glad it's working better |
| 21:09.32 | yac | oh wait, its different format |
| 21:09.41 | HelenB_ | problem with GL is it's very sticky. |
| 21:10.02 | nsadmin | because it's GLue? |
| 21:10.07 | Christer-G__ | well at that preformanc, it might. Just curious, the vid you'r playing is at full hd or? |
| 21:10.17 | nsadmin | how do you mean sticky? |
| 21:10.19 | HelenB_ | It's watchable tho but I probs get a headache from it. |
| 21:10.34 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: the graphics are sticky, how else can I explain it?! |
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| 21:10.40 | nsadmin | low framerate? |
| 21:10.41 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Did you go to school? No offense. |
| 21:10.44 | nsadmin | flickery? |
| 21:10.49 | HelenB_ | no |
| 21:11.00 | yac | well, md5sum -c is ok after fixing the format for it |
| 21:11.09 | HelenB_ | it doesn't seem like low frames but I can't explain sticky |
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| 21:11.39 | nsadmin | do you have a flat panel display or crt? |
| 21:11.40 | HelenB_ | It's fine I don't want to fix that problem. Hey I got a working vid! thankies :3 |
| 21:11.52 | stew | snickers |
| 21:11.56 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Whyy you asking me these questions? |
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| 21:12.21 | HelenB_ | Intel Atom CPUs are in netbooks and other mobile devices. |
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| 21:13.05 | nsadmin | flat panel can have very low frame rate but not have flickering, while a crt would flicker horribly at (say) 60 fps |
| 21:13.18 | HelenB_ | NO |
| 21:13.29 | HelenB_ | the CPu just shot up to 80% :/ |
| 21:13.30 | gnarface | HelenB_: its entirely possible that one of those other drivers has better behavior than the opengl one, really |
| 21:13.40 | ^6 | anything under 85hz is noticeable for me |
| 21:13.47 | gnarface | HelenB_: but you should probably use top or something to determine what is causing the load |
| 21:13.49 | ^6 | used to be awful |
| 21:13.50 | HelenB_ | GO DOWN GO DOWN :( |
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| 21:14.12 | HelenB_ | gnarface: nothing is causing the load but mplayer itself. |
| 21:14.18 | nsadmin | I would think it's not caused by video |
| 21:14.23 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, it does not depend to much on the screen, more the quality (Kbp's) of the vid, and by f.HD the frame loss might cause sticky feeling |
| 21:14.28 | HelenB_ | I want my CPU go go down! |
| 21:14.47 | HelenB_ | before my vid crashes again. :( |
| 21:15.05 | nsadmin | is the temp still ok? |
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| 21:15.22 | HelenB_ | yes |
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| 21:17.17 | nsadmin | what would you say the average temp is? |
| 21:17.19 | Christer-G__ | HelenB_, might consider a change on xf86-video-intel? might help. If not is installd allready. |
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| 21:18.19 | HelenB_ | okies :3 |
| 21:18.27 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: 70-80 |
| 21:18.39 | nsadmin | seems normal |
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| 21:19.22 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, if it's in C its way to high ;D and if it's % guess your right |
| 21:20.23 | nsadmin | well we can't survive 80 deg C |
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| 21:20.43 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, its a bit over what to be expected |
| 21:20.49 | yac | stew: got it |
| 21:21.00 | yac | stew: it needs to have non-compressed Packages |
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| 21:21.55 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, when i bencmark my grapic-card i quit at 83C, but cpu is never getting higher than 55-60C w stock fan |
| 21:22.02 | stew | yac: weird |
| 21:22.38 | nsadmin | HelenB, had you noticed a lot of disk activity over the last few mins? |
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| 21:23.15 | yac | stew: yeah, but now it is working |
| 21:23.17 | HelenB_ | nope lol |
| 21:23.46 | nsadmin | at about 6:30 am your local time, some cron jobs fire |
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| 21:25.57 | nsadmin | HelenB_, how's your cpu % now? |
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| 21:26.33 | romano2k | hi there! how should i check if a formatting process is still going on with the graphical installer? |
| 21:26.54 | nsadmin | look at the screen :) |
| 21:27.16 | yac | stew: now it gets weirder |
| 21:27.17 | romano2k | nsadmin: the progress bar is stuck, but it's raid, lvm, etc. |
| 21:27.51 | romano2k | nsadmin: ain't Alt + F2 bring a shell? |
| 21:27.54 | yac | stew: i removed a package and regenerated the repository (but i left there the old .gz and .bz2) files .. i did update and got no "Current status [-1]" thing |
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| 21:28.10 | yac | stew: then i removed the old .gz and .bz2 , run the update again and THEN i got it |
| 21:28.13 | nsadmin | yes, and alt-F4 is log |
| 21:28.36 | romano2k | nsadmin: do you know how to do with a Mac keyboard? |
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| 21:28.55 | nsadmin | maybe it's the flower key |
| 21:29.02 | romano2k | flower? |
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| 21:29.13 | nsadmin | also called the command key |
| 21:29.14 | ssourc | hi i have problem with debian mirror, can you send me a non-official url with renamed iso please ? |
| 21:29.54 | stew | ssourc: renamed? what problem are you having? |
| 21:30.06 | ssourc | dns is hacked |
| 21:30.09 | nsadmin | ssourc. need a LOT more specifics |
| 21:30.29 | sney | all of the installers are available on bittorrent so that may be an option for you |
| 21:31.05 | nsadmin | well not all of them... looked at a problem where it turned out not all installers were on bt |
| 21:31.09 | ssourc | the torrent file probably hacked too |
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| 21:31.33 | stew | ssourc: if you want us to verify the md5sum of a torrent file we can |
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| 21:31.35 | romano2k | nsadmin: doesn't work, but my mouse is still moving, weird |
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| 21:31.54 | ssourc | do you have a renamed torrent file url ? |
| 21:32.14 | nsadmin | what was the filename you used before? |
| 21:32.23 | Christer-G__ | romano2k, your in grapic mode, are you able to get an console? |
| 21:32.24 | stew | romano2k: from the graphical installer i'd expect that its going to be command+ctrl+f4 |
| 21:32.33 | stew | ssourc: renamed? why renamed? |
| 21:32.37 | nsadmin | how should I know what's renamed when I don't know what has the original name? |
| 21:32.42 | nsadmin | yeat that too |
| 21:32.58 | romano2k | stew: damn, i just gave up and forced shutdown of the server :-) |
| 21:33.05 | babilen | ssourc: Are you looking for installer image mirrors? |
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| 21:33.36 | ssourc | debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 21:33.57 | stew | ssourc: why does the filename matter? |
| 21:34.19 | sney | even if your dns is somehow compromised, the name of the file you download shouldn't make a difference |
| 21:34.36 | babilen | ssourc: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ lists mirrors that have the installer images. Do you mean "renamed" as in "a different hostname" or as in "different filename" ? |
| 21:35.03 | ssourc | filename but im not sure |
| 21:35.13 | ssourc | my fai have problem im sure |
| 21:35.21 | ssourc | fai =isp |
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| 21:35.39 | stew | ssourc: download this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso.torrent then tell us what the md5sum of the file you downloaded is |
| 21:35.50 | ssourc | ok |
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| 21:36.08 | nsadmin | ssourc, what site did you originally use? |
| 21:36.28 | ssourc | i try many site and i have always problem |
| 21:36.41 | nsadmin | nevermind, stew's is more to the point |
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| 21:36.51 | nsadmin | oh really? hmm |
| 21:36.57 | ssourc | what is the command for md5sum |
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| 21:37.04 | stew | ssourc: md5sum filename |
| 21:37.05 | nsadmin | md5sum |
| 21:37.09 | ssourc | im knoppix in the moment |
| 21:37.10 | ssourc | ok |
| 21:37.11 | nsadmin | :) |
| 21:37.19 | stew | im stew |
| 21:37.35 | nsadmin | im not using im |
| 21:37.49 | ssourc | 7c909778903ed8762de888aa6dad398a debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 21:38.04 | ssourc | with debian kfreebsd wikipedia refuse to open |
| 21:38.05 | stew | ssourc: yes, that is the correct file |
| 21:38.28 | stew | ssourc: can you reproduce that problem right now? |
| 21:38.57 | ssourc | no im knoppix in the moment but kfreebsd have always problem with wikipedia google and many other popular site |
| 21:39.22 | nsadmin | ok. when you try that and still get a problem, pls be prepared to tell us what happens in detail (for example exact text of any messages) |
| 21:39.36 | ssourc | ok |
| 21:39.55 | ssourc | error 302 but im not sure |
| 21:40.20 | cusco | thats temp reject/redirect? |
| 21:40.35 | ssourc | he write thing about redirect yes |
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| 21:40.45 | ssourc | for google only |
| 21:40.54 | ssourc | wikipedia he say thing about the page never exist |
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| 21:41.46 | ssourc | i have this only for kfreebsd debian other distro view nothing |
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| 21:42.07 | ssourc | but im sure my isp have big problem |
| 21:43.11 | cusco | well we need exact error messages |
| 21:43.15 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: ssourc That would be videotron in canada? |
| 21:43.16 | cusco | browser using, etc |
| 21:43.22 | ssourc | yes |
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| 21:43.42 | ssourc | many other people speak about problem with videotron in the real life |
| 21:44.20 | ssourc | young people as 15 30 years old |
| 21:44.26 | romano2k | how should i bring a shell with a mac keyboard and the graphical installer please? |
| 21:44.56 | stew | romano2k: i would try ctrl+command+f2 |
| 21:44.57 | ssourc | i need to find solution to download un real iso of debian |
| 21:45.06 | romano2k | stew: doesn't work :-/ |
| 21:45.08 | stew | ssourc: why? |
| 21:45.12 | stew | romano2k: i would use the text installer |
| 21:45.28 | romano2k | stew: too late :-S |
| 21:45.38 | jhutchins_wk | !fr |
| 21:45.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 21:45.42 | rootyour | cli never dies |
| 21:45.52 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, well i culd ad it to an server and send you an ip.addr |
| 21:46.04 | romano2k | stew: Ctrl + Cmd + Fn + F2 doesn't work either |
| 21:46.21 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Which browser do you have problems reaching sites with? |
| 21:46.40 | ssourc | internet explorer and firefox |
| 21:46.52 | ssourc | my problem is the same on windows and linux |
| 21:47.02 | stew | jhutchins_wk: not that he claims that he is using hacked dns servers and that he doesn't want to download an official debian iso becuase he will be subvirted to a hacked one |
| 21:47.23 | ssourc | but kfreebsd is different |
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| 21:48.31 | nsadmin | note that the i386 installer will not install freebsd kernel |
| 21:48.43 | ssourc | i know |
| 21:48.52 | romano2k | ok i plugged a PC keyboard and it works, strange |
| 21:48.56 | jhutchins_wk | Why not just use a known good public DNS server? |
| 21:49.07 | ssourc | i try many distro from many site and many contry and i have always problem |
| 21:49.20 | romano2k | how can i check if something's running with my harddrive partitionning/formatting/raid? |
| 21:49.28 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: So you're telling us you can't reach wikipedia using Internet Explorer on kfreebsd? |
| 21:49.40 | ssourc | firefox |
| 21:49.50 | ssourc | internet explorer view nothing |
| 21:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: So google for "public dns" and try one of those. |
| 21:49.57 | ssourc | in windows |
| 21:50.18 | ssourc | i try google dns and always same problem |
| 21:50.34 | ssourc | i trying only in windows but |
| 21:50.38 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: So try another, or run your own. |
| 21:50.48 | rootyour | lol |
| 21:51.01 | stew | ssourc: once you are running debian we can perhaps try to help you debug your problem |
| 21:51.23 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: If you think your ISP is messing with stuff use something like TOR to pipeline out of it. |
| 21:51.31 | ssourc | do you have solution to force the dnssec protocol in firefox ? |
| 21:51.45 | ssourc | tor dont work too |
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| 21:52.10 | ssourc | this is not the real page when i go in the webpage of tor |
| 21:52.24 | jhutchins_wk | Hmmm... What do all these failures have in common.... |
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| 21:52.31 | nsadmin | link? |
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| 21:52.55 | romano2k | any help regarding check of progress? |
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| 21:53.05 | ssourc | https://www.torproject.org/ |
| 21:53.07 | stew | romano2k: the answer is going to be to check the console |
| 21:53.21 | stew | ssourc: and you get a page, but not the right page? |
| 21:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Here is a list of browsers to try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers_for_Unix_and_Unix-like_operating_systems |
| 21:53.37 | ssourc | the page appear the real but is not the real |
| 21:53.45 | abrotman | ssourc: what? |
| 21:53.47 | stew | ssourc: how do you know it is not real? |
| 21:53.49 | ssourc | it is a clone of the real page but im not sure |
| 21:53.56 | stew | ssourc: how do you know? |
| 21:53.59 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: I would recommend trying something simple like lynx and/or wget. |
| 21:54.03 | doublehp | couold "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" prevent execution of the /etc/network/interfaces block "iface eth0 inet6 static" ? |
| 21:54.16 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, heh, I was going to bring that up in another way: in the case of most linux installs where it's all the people who have made them, there are far more successes than failures |
| 21:54.23 | stew | ssourc: realize that you are getting that over ssl |
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| 21:54.39 | ssourc | i use the tor client for testing and i have the same problem wikipedia is not the true, ebay is very very strange |
| 21:54.44 | romano2k | stew: yeah i know, i'm in front of it. unfortunately there's no "top" in busybox, and i don't know how to check. is there another way? |
| 21:55.05 | ssourc | google work but result have sensure |
| 21:55.14 | ssourc | i dont know why |
| 21:55.17 | stew | ssourc: since you are getitng the wrong page over ssl, you are going to have to expand the scope of your conspiracy |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | stop using tor? |
| 21:55.39 | romano2k | no "uptime" either, so can't check sysload |
| 21:55.42 | ssourc | i dont using tor in the moment |
| 21:56.21 | ssourc | i testing piratebay and this is not the real too |
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| 21:56.33 | abrotman | you're using the fake internet? |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | from knoppix? |
| 21:56.47 | stew | with fake ssl certificates! |
| 21:56.49 | ssourc | not all internet only certain site |
| 21:56.58 | abrotman | with fake Debian?! |
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| 21:57.04 | ssourc | i dont know |
| 21:57.05 | romano2k | stew: oh i see "[md0_raid1]", "[md0_resync]" and "mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/robot-home" in ps |
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| 21:57.34 | ssourc | knoppix view nothing |
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| 21:58.03 | abrotman | ssourc: you realize that Knoppix is not Debian, and this is a Debian support channel? |
| 21:58.41 | stew | abrotman: yeah, he needs to get an unofficial non-debian debian installer because if he tries to get a real one he is going to get subverted into downloading a hacked one |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | i bet ... |
| 21:59.05 | rootyour | never bet... |
| 21:59.51 | abrotman | i would |
| 21:59.54 | nsadmin | by choosing to live one mroe second, you're making a bet |
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| 22:00.34 | ssourc | the real ebay use asp langage and use ebay certificate in my memory but my ebay page is a java page with verisign |
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| 22:01.11 | stew | ssourc: is there anything else debian related we can help you with? |
| 22:01.38 | nsadmin | what header defines O_CREAT? |
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| 22:01.55 | ssourc | i know but i speak about my problem i try to download debian iso and this is not the real |
| 22:02.08 | ssourc | what is o creat |
| 22:02.11 | stew | ssourc: what is the md5sum of the debian iso you downloaded? |
| 22:02.46 | ssourc | ebay use java only in the user space not entire site ?? |
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| 22:03.01 | stew | ssourc: please stick to debian related topics |
| 22:03.26 | doublehp | ssourc: read man open |
| 22:03.28 | nsadmin | ssourc, if you run your own dns server, perhaps you can avoid the problems associated with using the dns servers your isp tries to provide you |
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| 22:03.50 | ssourc | i have dns from my isp i dont have server |
| 22:04.16 | doublehp | nsadmin: several ones; use grep |
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| 22:04.48 | ssourc | i speak to my technician isp and he respond : i dont know i dont know ... |
| 22:05.13 | lokErik-on-Arch | can't he use googles dns at 8.8.8.8. |
| 22:05.34 | ssourc | i trying google dns with windows but problem is the sam |
| 22:05.36 | ssourc | same |
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| 22:05.44 | romano2k | please, my question is debian related! the progress bar is stuck during partitionning, etc., is there a way to check if things are working? |
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| 22:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: How big a drive, how big a partition? |
| 22:06.22 | ssourc | my objectif is get a real debian iso this is related debian |
| 22:06.28 | ssourc | i want clean system with no virus |
| 22:06.57 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Desktop or laptop? |
| 22:07.07 | ssourc | i have both |
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| 22:07.47 | abrotman | he's not even running Debian ... |
| 22:07.50 | jhutchins_wk | Take your laptop to a coffee shop or a library that has free wifi and download the image from there. I'm sure there are plenty of places to go in Montreal. |
| 22:07.53 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: 2 x 2TB drives in RAID1, LVM on md0 then one group volume and two logical volumes |
| 22:08.01 | abrotman | thinks someone is being trolled .. |
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| 22:08.14 | romano2k | ssourc: if the md5 is ok, then you have the good ISO |
| 22:08.18 | ssourc | good idea |
| 22:08.45 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: THat's going to take a while. |
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| 22:09.32 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: any idea how long? :-) and is there a simple way to check it's working? |
| 22:09.52 | rootyour | ssourc: afaik, debian always redirects you to closest mirror servers in your area |
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| 22:10.20 | rootyour | ssourc: even they are controlled by pandas |
| 22:10.44 | jhutchins_wk | 20 minutes would not be unreasonable. |
| 22:11.25 | ssourc | i buying mcafee antivirus in real store and it is not real ... |
| 22:11.25 | nsadmin | by the SPC? |
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| 22:11.41 | jhutchins_wk | Nothing is real. All is illusion. |
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| 22:11.52 | ssourc | i have the copy |
| 22:11.57 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: ok, i thought you were thinking of longer. any idea how to check CPU load with busybox? |
| 22:12.04 | ssourc | problem coming from the city |
| 22:12.07 | rootyour | mcafee is a real murderer |
| 22:12.24 | mtn | puts on a second tinfoil hat |
| 22:13.18 | ssourc | i have the facture and the box and cd this is a real hacked version buying in a walmart |
| 22:13.46 | stew | ssourc: please stick to debian related questions |
| 22:13.53 | ssourc | ok sorry |
| 22:14.18 | ssourc | this is reason why i need debian so |
| 22:14.35 | stew | and what is the problem with the debian iso you downloaded? |
| 22:15.16 | ssourc | when i go to certain website like facebook and google this is not the real page i want solution to get the real page |
| 22:15.22 | stew | your stories are outlandish enough that you are either trolling or need to start taking your anti-psych meds again, so I'd like to just stop with all of the random nonsense about everything being fake |
| 22:15.31 | stew | ssourc: please stick to debian related questions |
| 22:15.56 | ssourc | i get probleme with debian |
| 22:16.28 | nsadmin | wow! and you haven't even started using it yet! |
| 22:16.48 | stew | ssourc: what is the problem you are having with debian RIGHT NOW |
| 22:16.57 | ssourc | comin to montreal and try the internet you see the problem |
| 22:17.23 | nsadmin | montreal? you are referring to quebec, are you not? |
| 22:17.26 | stew | the other debian developers I know in montreal don't have these problems |
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| 22:17.47 | stew | but alas, we need to stick the the debian related problems |
| 22:17.57 | ssourc | open your eye and watch |
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| 22:18.39 | nsadmin | uses can opener on eye can |
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| 22:19.45 | rootyour | has no eyes |
| 22:20.06 | Hydroxide | ssourc: please focus your questions on debian. even if the rest of the world is fake, it's still off-topic here. :) |
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| 22:20.44 | Martin[2] | ssourc, if your pages aren't "real" my best guess is you're opening google cached versions of them no? |
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| 22:21.06 | ssourc | dont work |
| 22:21.15 | romano2k | ok so i found that i could check the status of my raid volume creation typing "cat /proc/mdstat" |
| 22:21.19 | Argafal | i'm wondering about the gpsim package. Normally it should open a GUI. The Debian version seems to be compiled as text-only. Why would that be? |
| 22:21.28 | stew | Martin[2]: lets please keep him focused on debian |
| 22:21.29 | romano2k | it's REALLY slow, 1000K/sec, what's wrong? |
| 22:21.42 | Martin[2] | stew, I'm jsut trying to work out what on earth he is saying :/ |
| 22:21.49 | Martin[2] | :p |
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| 22:22.19 | stew | Martin[2]: he's saying that he is connected to a fake internet with hacked dns and every page he loads even over ssl is fake and when he downloads debian it is fake and when he buys macafee at walmart it is fake |
| 22:22.27 | rootyour | 1000kib/s is not slow |
| 22:22.31 | Hydroxide | Martin[2]: so far, all we can tell is that he's not yet running debian. therefore, unless he's asking questions about obtaining or installing debian, questions about his current setup are off-topic here. |
| 22:22.46 | ssourc | i trying to get debian on a china mirror and my download is 1000k sec ... it is impossible |
| 22:22.54 | jhutchins_wk | he problem is the algorythms that translate the internet binaries into French for the Montreal region. |
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| 22:22.58 | stew | ssourc: what is wrong with the one you already downloaded? |
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| 22:23.50 | stew | and at 1000k, its not impossible, it wouldn't even take an hour |
| 22:24.08 | Martin[2] | stew, Hydroxide, ok gotcha ;) I got bored scrolling up and trying to read through it all :p I've been playing with Raspbian. |
| 22:24.09 | ssourc | for my region it is impossible |
| 22:24.11 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_wk: this situation is odd enough, please reserve humor for more normal situations... |
| 22:24.20 | nsadmin | stew, that looks to be a difficult task, there is way too many elements that demonstrate blockage from what's real and he's holding them so tightly it's his only focus |
| 22:24.21 | romano2k | stew: it should take 22 days at that rate |
| 22:24.45 | jhutchins_wk | Hydroxide: It's verging on the ridiculous, I just thought I'd give it a nudge. |
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| 22:24.55 | romano2k | stew: oops i thought you were answering to me |
| 22:25.01 | doublehp | why would debian ignore my "iface eth0 inet6 static" section when the inet is run fine ? |
| 22:25.14 | jhutchins_wk | He has reportedly tried everything we have been able to suggest already, and it has all failed. |
| 22:25.36 | ssourc | :( |
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| 22:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: A possible test: split the raid and see how long it takes to do one drive. |
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| 22:26.04 | ssourc | verify with vpn ... |
| 22:26.14 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: can you explain a little bit more? |
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| 22:26.32 | ssourc | use a videotron vpn |
| 22:26.41 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, your dl the iso from china at 1000KB/s or Kb/s? |
| 22:26.55 | ssourc | 1mo |
| 22:26.55 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: To see if this is a problem because of it being raid, eliminate raid and see how long a regular format without lvm or anything takes. |
| 22:27.13 | nsadmin | doublehp, what did you do under which the entry was ignored? |
| 22:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: I presume you're using squeeze or wheezy, what kind of processor/ram? |
| 22:27.23 | ssourc | ~8, 10 megabit second this is impossible for me |
| 22:27.23 | apt | ssourc: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 22:27.38 | doublehp | nsadmin: ??? |
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| 22:28.06 | ssourc | look where i live it is impossible |
| 22:28.07 | nsadmin | you said your interfaces file entry was ignored... |
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| 22:28.15 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: Athlon Neo something, it's an HP MicroServer |
| 22:28.20 | doublehp | nsadmin: the whole section is ignored; even pre-up are ignored |
| 22:28.20 | ssourc | i have basic cable internet |
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| 22:28.44 | nsadmin | when you do what? |
| 22:28.48 | doublehp | nsadmin: i tried pre-up echo foo >/tmp/bar, ignored in inet6, launched in inet section |
| 22:28.51 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: isn't the installer trying to rebuild the raid while creating the lvm and so on at the same time? |
| 22:29.36 | doublehp | nsadmin: i did not say the file is ignored; i said the section is ignored |
| 22:29.56 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, and your dl in 8 MB/s and not 8 Mbit/s. then it whould take less than 5 min. |
| 22:30.21 | nsadmin | doublehp, so something reads interfaces to run the interface setups... |
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| 22:30.36 | Martin[2] | Christer-G__, he has basic cable. it'll be bits likely :p |
| 22:30.44 | jhutchins_wk | romano2k: No, the raid drivers should assemble the empty raid without much need for rebuild, and performance for formatting _should_ be typical of performance without it (that's why it's useful). If there's a difference, you know where to look. |
| 22:30.54 | nsadmin | what are you doing that brings about the opportunity to ignore the section? reboot? what do you run? what are you typing? |
| 22:31.13 | romano2k | jhutchins_wk: i'm sorry but no, i don't know where to look |
| 22:31.30 | doublehp | nsadmin: I reboot, and check the /tmp/bar file |
| 22:31.38 | nsadmin | ahh, ok. |
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| 22:32.05 | Christer-G__ | Martin[2], so abot 1 MB/s. avg (10-12 min) 600~MB |
| 22:32.28 | ssourc | less 5 minutes from quebec to china ? |
| 22:32.35 | nsadmin | in the interfaces file, do you have anything like auto eth0? |
| 22:33.14 | doublehp | yes |
| 22:33.48 | nsadmin | the interface that's being ignored is eth0? or? |
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| 22:34.48 | doublehp | eth0 |
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| 22:35.09 | nsadmin | ok, when you type ifdown eth0, what does it say? |
| 22:35.23 | doublehp | can not type ifdown: remote server |
| 22:35.45 | jhutchins_wk | Videotron in Montreal (ssourc's ISP) generally gets good technical ratings, with some excessive lag on their DSL service. They get terrible customer service ratings, but no significant reports of hijacked DNS or bogus web pages. |
| 22:35.46 | nsadmin | hmm. so the interface is operating? |
| 22:35.48 | HelenB_ | Great movie that was! :D |
| 22:35.50 | HelenB_ | now erm... |
| 22:36.16 | doublehp | "ifconfig eth0 inet6 add" works fine, but ifup eth0:61 (that contains only one v6 address) returns "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 22:36.25 | nsadmin | HelenB_, got thru the whole thing? sounds great :) |
| 22:36.53 | HelenB_ | 21:17 < Christer-G__> HelenB_, might consider a change on xf86-video-intel? might help. If not is installd allready. |
| 22:36.57 | HelenB_ | That is? |
| 22:36.58 | HelenB_ | :o |
| 22:37.04 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: YES! |
| 22:37.13 | nsadmin | awesome! |
| 22:37.13 | HelenB_ | the CPU temp is at 57C |
| 22:37.17 | HelenB_ | all the way through |
| 22:37.22 | HelenB_ | it went down when I switched rooms |
| 22:37.23 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 22:37.24 | nsadmin | and the percentage usage? |
| 22:37.25 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Not that it's much help, but I'm starting to see a lot of that, people having trouble adding routes. |
| 22:37.32 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: 25% |
| 22:37.32 | rootyour | enabled cpu scaling |
| 22:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Seems like I got some good hits googling the error message. |
| 22:37.51 | nsadmin | very good :) |
| 22:37.57 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Doesn't it include something like "No such process"? |
| 22:38.03 | HelenB_ | What is xf86-video-intel? |
| 22:38.06 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: works perfectly when running comands by hand; problem is that debian refuses to TRY to run interfacs file |
| 22:38.10 | HelenB_ | Is it worth installing? What will it do? |
| 22:38.11 | HelenB_ | :o |
| 22:38.25 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: no, no no such process |
| 22:38.47 | Christer-G__ | HelenB_, well that is the driver that specifyed on Intel GMA, you might got default nouveau loaded at the moment |
| 22:38.53 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: network-manager running? |
| 22:38.58 | doublehp | no |
| 22:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Please pastebin full file (obfuscate passwords if necessary). |
| 22:39.12 | HelenB_ | Christer-G__: How is nouveau? |
| 22:39.13 | HelenB_ | :o |
| 22:39.16 | nsadmin | I think it might be the driver for your card... but, hold on, could you show lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 22:39.53 | HelenB_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03) |
| 22:39.56 | HelenB_ | :3 |
| 22:40.02 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 22:40.10 | HelenB_ | This should be GMA O.o |
| 22:40.13 | HelenB_ | Dafuq?! |
| 22:40.18 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:27ae |
| 22:40.19 | judd | [8086:27ae] is 'Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27ae |
| 22:40.21 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: wait... |
| 22:40.23 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/ccU9gXMS |
| 22:40.24 | HelenB_ | that's VGA one |
| 22:40.28 | HelenB_ | I don't use VGA! |
| 22:40.32 | HelenB_ | I keep telling u that |
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| 22:40.51 | LtL | installs racing springs on HelenB_'s enter key |
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| 22:40.58 | HelenB_ | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 22:41.01 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: ^ |
| 22:41.07 | HelenB_ | That's the one I use |
| 22:41.08 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 22:41.23 | nsadmin | ok, could you show that line with -nn? |
| 22:41.24 | mtn | goes to buy stock in enter key usage |
| 22:41.31 | HelenB_ | ... |
| 22:41.34 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: I have not seen eth0:61 style notation used before, I think that is probably incorrect. |
| 22:42.40 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: Whyy? O.o |
| 22:42.41 | doublehp | "ifconfig eth0:61 inet6 add 2001:41D0:1:D43b::19/64" runs fine |
| 22:42.41 | HelenB_ | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a6] (rev 03) |
| 22:42.41 | nsadmin | to see which driver it likes |
| 22:42.41 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Is there a different video controller that is _not_ VGA compatible? |
| 22:42.41 | HelenB_ | okies :3 |
| 22:42.41 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, yes. |
| 22:42.41 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: That's the one |
| 22:42.41 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:27a6 |
| 22:42.41 | judd | [8086:27a6] is 'Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27a6 |
| 22:42.58 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 22:43.10 | HelenB_ | I don't want to open that link! |
| 22:43.10 | HelenB_ | O.o |
| 22:43.19 | nsadmin | meetoo |
| 22:43.37 | nsadmin | that kmuto guy must be from canada! |
| 22:43.42 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: kmuto provides installers that use modules not in the current kernel. |
| 22:43.55 | jhutchins_wk | !kmuto |
| 22:43.55 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 22:43.58 | ssourc | jhutchins_wk : watch with vpn if you can and use a basic videotron modem if you try |
| 22:44.16 | jhutchins_wk | It's not like we're going to keep a link in judd that's a bogus web site. |
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| 22:44.36 | HelenB_ | wait... |
| 22:44.37 | HelenB_ | ... |
| 22:44.42 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Sorry, that does not parse in english. |
| 22:44.43 | HelenB_ | I'm not reinstalling Debian |
| 22:44.48 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 22:45.00 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Right, but it might have information about your video drivers. |
| 22:45.06 | nsadmin | not saying you should :) you have things workign! |
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| 22:45.44 | HelenB_ | er... |
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| 22:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Nevermind, nothing useful there. |
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| 22:47.22 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: xserver-xorg-video-intel should handle that. |
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| 22:51.02 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, good old Roberts telecom. |
| 22:51.25 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 22:51.40 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Videotron may be blocking TOR and censoring some web sites for Cleanfeed Canada, but it's not blocking debian mirror servers. |
| 22:52.01 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Also, you're not going to get around a web filter just because you run Linux. |
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| 22:52.29 | anddam | hi, how can I boot mounting root in readonly? |
| 22:53.00 | nsadmin | it already does that, but later on remounts it read/write |
| 22:53.12 | anddam | even booting in recovery mode I cannot remount / readonly, it says / is busy |
| 22:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | I think you can get RO in single user mode. |
| 22:53.38 | jhutchins_wk | anddam: boot to other media. |
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| 22:53.43 | nsadmin | the recovery mode seems to start daemons |
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| 22:54.17 | nsadmin | ideally, you should be able to unmount home, /usr and most others |
| 22:55.13 | anddam | switching to level 1 let me remount |
| 22:55.18 | anddam | thanks |
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| 22:56.42 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: bittorrent may be blocked as well, but http get should work just fine. |
| 22:56.52 | HelenB_ | if only intel supported linux :( |
| 22:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: In fact, Debian iso mirrors are often faster than torrents. |
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| 22:57.23 | ssourc | jhutchins_wk : inspect more you find more than popular informations |
| 22:57.37 | Christer-G__ | im getting down a deb iso at 6,5 MB/s now by torrent :) |
| 22:57.46 | Christer-G__ | 9,7 |
| 22:57.57 | Christer-G__ | done |
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| 22:58.44 | ssourc | young technician in videotron speak the same message of me |
| 22:58.53 | ssourc | very strange company |
| 22:59.31 | nsadmin | Christer-G__, what machine were you downloading from? |
| 22:59.55 | HelenB_ | Intel should seriously support Linux. :/ |
| 23:00.06 | Christer-G__ | nsadmin, an stationary. :) |
| 23:00.07 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Since we have established that the customer service technicians at videotron are idiots, I would not consider them a reliable source. |
| 23:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: What I see here is a distorted picture of Clearview censorship with some possible QoS or P2P issues. |
| 23:01.00 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: If you want solutions you should try some of our suggestions and not listen to wild speculation. |
| 23:01.09 | HelenB_ | I hate companies for not supporting open source. :/ |
| 23:01.43 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Intel does support linux, they pay people to keep the kernel code current with their newer chips. |
| 23:01.45 | HelenB_ | or atleast free software |
| 23:02.06 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: ... O.o |
| 23:02.15 | nsadmin | Christer-G__, I wanted to see what the site (and IP) then use that result to see if his dns is really broke |
| 23:02.29 | HelenB_ | Intel U ROCK NSADMINS ASS OFF!!! :D |
| 23:02.44 | HelenB_ | and nsadmin sure does have the sweetest ass! :3 |
| 23:02.51 | nsadmin | wait... MY ASS IS GONE!! |
| 23:02.56 | jhutchins_wk | Later, headed home. |
| 23:03.04 | nsadmin | HelenB_, give me back my ass! |
| 23:03.22 | HelenB_ | nsadmin: It's not me that's got it it's Intel that's got it. :o |
| 23:03.32 | HelenB_ | they're going to microchip it O.o |
| 23:03.43 | nsadmin | wait, nevermind, it's there |
| 23:03.56 | nsadmin | hmm, what's that blocky thing... |
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| 23:05.15 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, If you still haven't got the ISO yet I maybe could help you by upload to my server to any given port 587, 22, 80 .. they could not block you from all connections .. by the fact that you is able to speak in irc. |
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| 23:05.59 | ssourc | ok |
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| 23:06.35 | ssourc | another detail |
| 23:06.35 | nsadmin | sits in HelenB_'s lap... hope the blocky thing doesn't bother her too much |
| 23:06.42 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, what kind of iso are you looking for? 64/86 |
| 23:06.48 | HelenB_ | rips it out |
| 23:06.49 | HelenB_ | :o |
| 23:06.54 | ssourc | the site bing from microsoft use a redirect port to sensure me so port 80 have probleme |
| 23:07.03 | nsadmin | oww! how mean is that! |
| 23:07.15 | ssourc | i need x86 32 bits |
| 23:07.53 | ssourc | you use a very non standard port |
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| 23:08.02 | ssourc | and remane your iso |
| 23:08.07 | Christer-G__ | sure |
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| 23:08.15 | Red_M | wheres the bastard who came in here and did a mass highlight? |
| 23:08.16 | nsadmin | note to self: test potential gfs for violent tendencies... |
| 23:08.39 | Red_M | i want to wring his neck |
| 23:08.46 | nsadmin | Red_M, they come periodically |
| 23:08.56 | Red_M | shoot them please |
| 23:09.00 | Martin[2] | mass highlighting? :o |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | ahem ... |
| 23:09.04 | nsadmin | just relax, breathe and let it go |
| 23:09.05 | Red_M | or go get the IRCops |
| 23:09.35 | nsadmin | the ops very likely do know about them |
| 23:10.07 | Martin[2] | I switch off beep on highlight :) which helps. doesn't solve the "problem" though :p |
| 23:10.17 | nsadmin | if you would like to talk to them about it, you can: just join #freenode |
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| 23:11.19 | nsadmin | I switch on destroy IRS on highlight |
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| 23:20.07 | phox|away | ok, just to have confirmed the Debian-supported way to do this... is it still appropriate to pass e.g. vga=791 to GRUB commandline to get a higher-res console FB? |
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| 23:21.24 | abrotman | gfxmode |
| 23:22.06 | phox|away | k |
| 23:22.33 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, Try get it first from my ftp, 83.253.78.33:21 user: debian pass: "none" |
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| 23:23.11 | rootyour | trojan? |
| 23:23.11 | phox|away | abrotman: any suggestion for useful docs on this? google not turning up much that appears to try to cover it semi-comprehensively. |
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| 23:25.57 | nsadmin | phox|away, you can also try vga=ask |
| 23:26.51 | phox|away | nsadmin: this is on a server. |
| 23:26.55 | phox|away | heh. |
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| 23:27.13 | phox|away | ideally it would be nice if I could test the mode without rebooting, as well |
| 23:27.25 | nsadmin | a remote server? |
| 23:27.28 | phox|away | this particular one is a testing server, but it's still being used for other things ATM :) |
| 23:27.30 | phox|away | nsadmin: yes |
| 23:27.35 | ssourc | where is the adress |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | phox|away: it's really gfxmode |
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| 23:27.59 | ssourc | ok sorry |
| 23:28.11 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, see if it works |
| 23:28.29 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, or ill get it by some other way |
| 23:28.49 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, i see you :) |
| 23:28.50 | rethus | Hi. I search a tiny debian distribution which has low footprint and is up to date |
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| 23:29.05 | ssourc | he work |
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| 23:29.41 | rootyour | puppy? |
| 23:30.12 | abrotman | rootyour: Do you need help with Debina? |
| 23:30.15 | rethus | Puppy is slack or ubunu ?! |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | PuppyLinux is offtopic |
| 23:30.26 | rootyour | both |
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| 23:30.41 | abrotman | rootyour: please try to be more useful, you're nothing but noise |
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| 23:31.05 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, humm you dident dl the file? |
| 23:31.16 | ssourc | ok i try |
| 23:31.38 | rethus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.45 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, it on the way |
| 23:31.59 | Christer-G__ | 4% |
| 23:32.20 | Christer-G__ | 8% |
| 23:32.23 | rethus | Whats about lxde and debian? |
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| 23:32.35 | ssourc | i dl 300k sec it is realise you from sweden ? |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | rethus: Debian has lxde |
| 23:33.18 | rethus | I need a realy tiny installation. With only hardwaresuport and vbox |
| 23:33.25 | Christer-G__ | i am sure your isp could look it up, iv got 200/10 net |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | so try Debian .. |
| 23:33.54 | Christer-G__ | so top at 1,2MB/s is wat i can send |
| 23:34.01 | rethus | Is there a core-image for this? |
| 23:34.10 | Christer-G__ | 30% |
| 23:34.20 | abrotman | rethus: one installer does it all |
| 23:34.31 | rethus | And how can i create a simple installer |
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| 23:34.53 | abrotman | create? |
| 23:35.10 | abrotman | rethus: have you read the installation guide yet? |
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| 23:35.24 | Christer-G__ | 40% |
| 23:35.25 | ssourc | so my isp have problem or is paranoia ? |
| 23:35.28 | rethus | Means i need to distribute this packages i made |
| 23:35.37 | Christer-G__ | ^^ |
| 23:35.48 | rethus | Maybe something like remastersys?! |
| 23:36.00 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 23:36.50 | Christer-G__ | seems a bit strange .. but you might get luckyer by remember the ip.addr to your sites if the dns is wacko |
| 23:36.53 | Christer-G__ | ^ |
| 23:37.19 | Christer-G__ | *ip instead of dns |
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| 23:37.28 | Christer-G__ | 62% |
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| 23:37.56 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Really, what you think is happening is not happening. Many web sites redirect you to alternate ports, usually ssl. |
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| 23:38.26 | Christer-G__ | and/or by your lang/country |
| 23:38.28 | ssourc | google use a redirect page and bing use redirect port |
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| 23:39.03 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: nsadmin : i did not fix my issue yet, but , i complained that pre-up lines of the inet6 block were not run; fact is, post-up from inet (v4) are not executed either; eth0 is up, and has the good IP, but post-up are ignored. I suspect some "up" script to fail, and make the service stop starting eth0. What bothers me, is that inet seems to need to completely succeed before it starts the inet6 section |
| 23:39.05 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Some of us work for large organizations. We know how these things actually work. |
| 23:39.08 | Christer-G__ | try enter ip instead of name .. |
| 23:39.15 | doublehp | this may be due to the fact my inet6 is after inet |
| 23:39.16 | Christer-G__ | and check the diff |
| 23:39.31 | Christer-G__ | 83% |
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| 23:39.48 | ssourc | i try ping and whois to acces some mirroir and dont work |
| 23:39.52 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: nsadmin : so my bet is: inet6 section ignored because of a random error in the preceding inet section |
| 23:40.02 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Which mirror? |
| 23:40.08 | ssourc | many mirroir |
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| 23:40.24 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Not getting a ping reply doesn't mean much, and whois doesn't have anything to do with the mirror server. |
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| 23:40.29 | Christer-G__ | 95% |
| 23:40.44 | Christer-G__ | try do an nmap -sP IP |
| 23:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: No, I'm not accepting "many", give me a specific example I can test. |
| 23:40.52 | doublehp | ssourc: many admins block ping for good reasons |
| 23:41.05 | Christer-G__ | thats why nmap -_- :) |
| 23:41.11 | Christer-G__ | done! |
| 23:41.11 | jhutchins_wk | questions the "good reasons", but knows that it happens. |
| 23:41.14 | ssourc | i use ping to get the ip |
| 23:41.26 | ssourc | i burn the iso now |
| 23:41.37 | Christer-G__ | gl :) |
| 23:42.00 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: there are many attacks possible when pings is allowed; for the least, several DOS per OS ( I used to know some on Windows and Solaris) |
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| 23:42.04 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: I don't think you understand the connection problem you think you have. |
| 23:42.32 | ssourc | im not proffessionnal |
| 23:42.35 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Nonetheless, the majority of the internet survives even though it is pingable. |
| 23:42.45 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: history tells that there have been several issues when ping is enabled; disabling is thus safer; having it enabled does not bring much |
| 23:42.46 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: I am. |
| 23:43.11 | rethus | How can i create an debian.installation on externall hdd, which support all hardware, where the hdd is pluged in? |
| 23:43.18 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: does not make "majority" of people being right. |
| 23:43.32 | ssourc | a5fdc1b74cd573d505a084baf7cc1462 renamed.iso.iso |
| 23:43.41 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: 90% people are buying MS Windows ... |
| 23:43.57 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: No, but it indicates that the knowledge to deal with the problem correctly exists. |
| 23:44.11 | edju | Running testing - computer won't wake up from sleep. Any hints? If I get it to wake, some software I can check for the cause? |
| 23:44.29 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: That's not the same as running servers anyway. We're drifting off topic here. |
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| 23:44.48 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Does it wake properly with stable? |
| 23:44.56 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Which kernel are you using? |
| 23:45.23 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: before complaining a machine to fail to ping, i ping the same IP from an other machine; just to check if the target is really up |
| 23:45.29 | ssourc | burning process |
| 23:45.35 | Christer-G__ | A5FDC1B74CD573D505A084BAF7CC1462 renamed.iso.iso |
| 23:45.46 | Christer-G__ | seems legit |
| 23:45.57 | jhutchins_wk | ssourc: Was the md5sum good? |
| 23:46.06 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Dunno - never ran stable. Kernel - uhhh - 3.0.2-4? Not sure if the numbers, but the -4 is right. |
| 23:46.17 | ssourc | yes |
| 23:46.22 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 23:46.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 23:46.27 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: so, my question is: why would inet fail ? and how to know at which script it fails ? i have found no error anywhere |
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| 23:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: dmesg? |
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| 23:46.48 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: nothing |
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| 23:47.04 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Are you still using that eth0:61? |
| 23:47.05 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: also tried messages and syslog |
| 23:47.31 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Ahh - 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 23:47.44 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: no; back to eth0; using alias works partly fine ... hmmm |
| 23:48.01 | doublehp | hmmm |
| 23:48.06 | edju | judd, Thanks. |
| 23:48.28 | Christer-G__ | doublehp, whats the prob with eth0? |
| 23:49.02 | doublehp | Christer-G__: inet section fails; interface gets up and working fine, but post-up lines are not run |
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| 23:49.08 | ssourc | image succes burning |
| 23:49.08 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Not sure what you could try, some hardware just doesn't implement it in the standard way. Also, some hardwar requires wierd wakeup signals. What happens if you hit the power button? |
| 23:49.21 | Christer-G__ | ssourc, good job :) |
| 23:51.06 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Power button - nothing. Happened once before. I unplugd it and a couple days later plugged it in and it awoke. Guess the battery went dead. |
| 23:51.20 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: in fact, i tried again eth0:64 and it still fails, and i don't understand why |
| 23:51.31 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Could be. So it found the resume image and resumed? |
| 23:51.31 | ssourc | i trying to install this soon |
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| 23:52.03 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Well, if it wakes up, guess I just won't put it to sleep again. |
| 23:52.20 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: The only real variable I know if is make sure swap is at least as big as RAM. |
| 23:52.46 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: I have *MANY* machines with no swap at all |
| 23:52.56 | jhutchins_wk | edju: If it's really suspended, holding the power button > 10 seconds should cause it to sort-of wake up enough to shut down. |
| 23:53.33 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Do they suspend correctly? |
| 23:53.46 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: i don't suspend my servers |
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| 23:54.54 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: What I mean was that the swap partition needs to be at least as big as RAM. |
| 23:55.02 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: For suspend to disk. |
| 23:55.16 | doublehp | good for you: I never suspend |
| 23:55.42 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Nope. Just held it for over a minute and nothing. I guess it's really suspended - the lights are blinking. |
| 23:55.45 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: See, we were diagnosing edju's swap problem, that's what brought the subject up. |
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| 23:57.13 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Blinkeylights! Yeah, unless you find somebody on the 'net who has your hardware and knows how to make it resume... |
| 23:58.02 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: I usually make a swap partition so that if something goes nuts I have a buffer, but I try to make sure it's never used. |
| 23:58.28 | doublehp | idm. I am having networking issues |
| 23:58.36 | Christer-G__ | have you checked the dmesg after the eth0 is fallen into sleep? |
| 23:59.05 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Thing is, it was working perfectly forever until maybe a week ago. I thought maybe it was some update or other. |
| 23:59.14 | doublehp | Christer-G__: to avoid wonders, quote a target nick |
| 23:59.29 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Not having necessarily caught all the details, is it possible that the ipv6 stuff isn't coming up because it's not supported somewhere in your link? |
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| 23:59.51 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: 3rd time: inet section fails !!! |
| 23:59.51 | jhutchins_wk | edju: Probably a new kernel. |