| 00:00.18 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: commands run from CLI do work |
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| 00:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | K, I'm low on battery, have fun guys. (I get a new PS in a couple of days.) |
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| 00:00.47 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Yes! I updated manually from -2 to -4. I'll boot into -2 next time and see. |
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| 00:03.39 | edju | jhutchins_wk, Thanks for the tip. |
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| 00:16.17 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 00:16.34 | DarkUranium | is there any decision yet (or approach to a decision) regarding Debian's use (or not) of systemd? |
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| 00:19.50 | abrotman | DarkUranium: should they use systemd? |
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| 00:20.44 | abrotman | DarkUranium: systemd is packaged, but it is not, nor is it planned to be, the default |
| 00:22.27 | DarkUranium | abrotman, well, let me put it this way, if systemd does NOT become the default, then I may or may not move from Arch Linux to Debian |
| 00:22.45 | DarkUranium | abrotman, if it DOES become the default, then I'm not using Debian, and using FreeBSD instead |
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| 00:23.16 | abrotman | DarkUranium: as i said above, there are no plans currently to move to systemd ... it is available if you wan tot use it .. |
| 00:23.51 | gnarface | DarkUranium: you should use hakiu |
| 00:24.01 | DarkUranium | gnarface, unfortunately, that's not quite stable enough :P |
| 00:24.42 | DarkUranium | gnarface, I'll prooly try porting my engine to it (should be easy, if it doesn't work outright) if they release a gcc4 build |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | gnarface: haiku? the BeOS stuff ? |
| 00:24.52 | DarkUranium | gnarface, already tried doing that with a gcc2 build, wasn't pretty >_< |
| 00:24.54 | gnarface | note to stew: ^^^ this is what it looks like when i'm purposefully giving bad advice ^^^ |
| 00:25.10 | DarkUranium | lol |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | DarkUranium: anyway, i think you're good for at least a few years on Debian .. with Wheezy's release imminent, it's not using systemd |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | imminent ~= 3-6 months :) |
| 00:26.13 | DarkUranium | abrotman, yeah, I've used Deb before, but decided to try out... Can't recall which distro it was anymore, but then moved to Arch |
| 00:26.24 | DarkUranium | abrotman, still use Debian on all my servers though |
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| 00:26.36 | DarkUranium | abrotman, and I managed to convince my boss last year to move from Win Server 2008 to Debian \o/ |
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| 00:27.54 | gnarface | debian really saves me a lot of time most days |
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| 00:28.38 | somiaj | my hope is by the time jessie gets close to being released, systemd looses favor (though I'm still wanting to removbe dbus from my system) |
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| 00:29.00 | DarkUranium | somiaj, I take it you're not exactly a fan of systemd either? |
| 00:29.05 | DarkUranium | (to put it mildly) |
| 00:29.12 | gnarface | i'd like to see debus gone too but i doubt its gonna happen :( |
| 00:29.14 | eizu | Why is everyone talking about systemd lately? is it that important? |
| 00:29.39 | DarkUranium | eizu, I would say so, for various reasons. |
| 00:30.01 | DarkUranium | I rather won't list my personal reasons here, don't want to start a flamewar or anything |
| 00:30.06 | eizu | May I ask what ones? (I don't know much about it, other than "it's a different init system") |
| 00:30.21 | eizu | Oh, I hope we are mature enough not to do that. :) |
| 00:30.45 | somiaj | DarkUranium: I'm not a fan of taking away choice, if people want to use it I don't care, but when it starts taking up resources for features I don't need (my desktop requirements have not changed since 2004ish) it limits choice and I wish more KISS was in linux development |
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| 00:31.04 | DarkUranium | somiaj, it's not much of a choice when it's being shoved down our throats in various distros tho =\ |
| 00:31.39 | somiaj | DarkUranium: yea that is my complaint against it. Sure many people want it, but core stuff shouldn't be thrown around so hastely. |
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| 00:32.01 | gnarface | somiaj: i agree about KISS |
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| 00:32.24 | gnarface | less moving parts == less shit to break |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | i wanna rock and roll all night |
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| 00:33.07 | themill | (except when you know the current "no moving parts" solution is broken... what do you do then?) |
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| 00:34.06 | DarkUranium | themill, stop using semiconductor elements and go back to "tube" diodes and triodes! =D |
| 00:34.16 | gnarface | themill: if that's an argument in favor of dbus i miss your point |
| 00:34.18 | DarkUranium | that *that*, EMP! |
| 00:35.21 | somiaj | themill: it is a hard ballance there will always be people resisting change and people pushing forward. I just think the push forward is going to fast and needs to be done in a less intrusive way. Let things surivie the trial of time a bit more. |
| 00:35.36 | somiaj | but I'm the old man on the proch with my broomstick |
| 00:36.06 | themill | gnarface: there are several dozen ad hoc / NIH IPC implementations already and there tends to be a pile of bugs in them many of which end up being privilege escalation bugs. Consolidating them into one library that actually works would be an improvement. |
| 00:36.07 | DarkUranium | somiaj, well, we *are* talking about a piece of software depending on a poor-quality kernel module, dbus, knowing about one very specific splash screen and so on... |
| 00:36.14 | DarkUranium | somiaj, IMHO, it's just not a good-quality piece of software |
| 00:36.33 | eizu | I'll be the young man with the broomstick if that helps, as I share that opinion. |
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| 00:36.58 | DarkUranium | somiaj, me three (apart from eizu) |
| 00:37.24 | netzsooc | could anyone tell me please which is the default twitter client in Gnome-shell? |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | i thought we weren't going ot pick it apart? :) |
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| 00:38.51 | DarkUranium | abrotman, yah, couldn't resist the urge :p |
| 00:38.52 | somiaj | netzsooc: apt-cache search returns me gwibber as the gnome soclial networking client. |
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| 00:39.51 | netzsooc | thanx somiaj |
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| 00:43.08 | somiaj | netzsooc: apt-cache search twitter | grep -i gnome (that was the command I used so you can try to search for things yourself in the future) |
| 00:43.52 | netzsooc | Another question, hypothetically, if I had Ubuntu or any debian based distro, and I changed the sources.list to all of them in wheezy, theoretically I would have installed wheezy, isn't that true? |
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| 00:44.41 | themill | netzsooc: no, you'd have a mess. |
| 00:44.46 | themill | !frankendebian |
| 00:44.46 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 00:45.46 | abrotman | not just a mess, probably a non-fuctional system |
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| 00:46.57 | netzsooc | oh, I see, then, according to that, how could I transform squeeze into sid? |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | if you have to ask, you sohuldn't |
| 00:48.11 | themill | netzsooc: you can dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and then wheezy to sid -- but you'd avoid running a mixture of the two (and as abrotman said, don't do that unless you really understand what you're doing as you WILL run into icky problems that you need to have the knowledge, skills and patience to solve) |
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| 00:49.10 | netzsooc | I know i will be in a world of trouble, or at least in some trouble, but the only way of learn to swim is diving into the water... |
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| 00:50.18 | abrotman | right .. sink or swim ... what could go wrong |
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| 00:50.59 | NoSpace | hi |
| 00:51.09 | themill | netzsooc: alternatively, you could wait for a while and learn the basics first. |
| 00:51.10 | netzsooc | I'm not pretending to do so in the computer I use to work with, but I think I could try it on a computer which only use is to test different distros and so |
| 00:51.26 | NoSpace | im using a kvm vps with debian linux and trying to build my kernel again |
| 00:51.43 | NoSpace | when i issue cmd apt-cache show linux-image it returns: Can't select versions from package 'linux-image' as it purely virtual |
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| 00:51.58 | NoSpace | what's wrong with it? |
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| 00:52.20 | scwizard | Get:184 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main i386 2012-11-17-0209.49.pdiff [2,795 B] <- when will this end Z_Z |
| 00:52.40 | sney | !tell scwizard about pdiff |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | !tell scwizard about pdiff |
| 00:52.47 | sney | boom, roasted |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | whine whine whine |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | NoSpace: apt-cache search linux-image ? |
| 00:53.14 | scwizard | pdiff sounds neat |
| 00:53.21 | scwizard | but it's not working well in this case :( |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | scwizard: so why are you complaining about it ? |
| 00:53.26 | scwizard | Get:258 http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/main i386 2012-11-27-1410.45.pdiff [3,399 B] |
| 00:53.45 | scwizard | abrotman: it was cauisng apt-get update to run for more than 10 minutes |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | scwizard: ctrl-c , run it again |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | scwizard: also, pick a better mirror |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | scwizard: there's a mirror at Columbia in NYC |
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| 00:54.32 | Zal | Hi all |
| 00:54.39 | scwizard | wierd |
| 00:54.41 | scwizard | it took 2 seconds that time |
| 00:54.46 | scwizard | what's the deal with that |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | scwizard: ftp.us.debian.org is a round robin .. one of them may be having issues .. if oyu want consistent results, use a consistent mirror |
| 00:55.07 | nsadmin | why would there be better and/or worse mirrors? |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: you mean someone on the internets might be having system troubles? |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | that never happens |
| 00:55.37 | scwizard | the newer servers I'm provisioning have been using columbia actually |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | scwizard: and i'd guess you have more consistent results, right? |
| 00:56.06 | nsadmin | just like the use of irony to convey contempt... |
| 00:56.07 | scwizard | yup |
| 00:56.12 | nsadmin | never happens |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | scwizard: unless i can't think of a better mirror to use, i'll avoid ftp.us.debian.org |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | scwizard: there's also http.debian.net now, a geo-ip mirror redirector |
| 00:57.20 | scwizard | neato |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | !tell scwizard about http.debian.net |
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| 00:57.46 | Zal | I've got a script, that runs "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -y". For years it worked fine, and now it's suddenly prompting me to verify (1) an upgrade of one non-debian package, and (2) when I configure dpkg to ignore that one upgrade, it prompts for removal of old packages. Any hints as to why my script is suddenly prompting? |
| 00:57.58 | abrotman | Zal: key expired? |
| 00:58.31 | themill | scwizard: http.d.n isn't just a geo-ip redirector, it also tries to make sure it only sends you to mirrors that are in a consistent state and are up to date. That means it can be worthwhile using it even on machines that don't move around so don't really need "geo-ip" assistance. |
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| 00:59.17 | Zal | abrotman, there's no indication of a bad key in the output, just "Do you want to continue? [Y/N/n]" or some such. Nothing says "couldn't be verified" or anything. And it's prompting for removal of packages, for which I wouldn't think a key would be necessary. I also load the key at each boot (this is done when booting a fresh AWS AMI). |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | Zal: have you tried using cron-apt instead ? |
| 01:00.02 | Zal | No, but this isn't a cron job, it's just done at boot time. |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | ah oaky |
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| 01:00.32 | abrotman | Zal: this may seem silly, but perhaps it expects the -y before the 'upgrade' ? |
| 01:00.44 | stew | why would upgrade cause a removal? |
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| 01:00.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | Zal: which version of Debian is this? |
| 01:01.16 | Zal | hm, I think -y works anywhere in the command line. If the placement was a problem, I still wonder why it used to work and now doesn't. |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | Zal: use a pastebin.. show us what it's trying to remove |
| 01:01.24 | nsadmin | maybe a conflict/replace? |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | it may be prompting him to remove a necessary package |
| 01:01.53 | Zal | abrotman, ubuntu lucid |
| 01:02.05 | Zal | nsadmin, please tell me more about conflicts? |
| 01:02.10 | stew | in debian apt-get upgrade would never remove a package |
| 01:02.13 | stew | Zal: you are in the wrong channel |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | Zal: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, perhaps nsadmin will join you there |
| 01:02.31 | Zal | huh, are you saying that apt-get is a different tool in Ubuntu? |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | it may be |
| 01:02.44 | stew | sounds like it |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | we can't be certain how they would have altered it |
| 01:02.54 | stew | but anyway, its off-topic here |
| 01:03.00 | Zal | hm, doubt they have. |
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| 01:03.36 | stew | the definition of upgrade includes includes "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed" |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | first change: * SECURITY UPDATE: Disable apt-key net-update for now, as validation |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:14.21 | moty66_ | It is not related to debian, but I did something terrible to my NAS, I modified the "/etc/password" file and changed the root shell to "/sbin/nologin"! |
| 01:14.36 | moty66_ | can't root his nas anymore :( |
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| 01:15.41 | themill | moty66_: can you use sudo? can you boot it off a usb stick? |
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| 01:16.46 | abrotman | single user? |
| 01:16.48 | moty66_ | themill: I added my user name as a /etc/sudoers, but I can't sudo |
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| 01:17.15 | abrotman | init=/bin/bash ? |
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| 01:17.32 | themill | moty66_: /etc/sudoers isn't a list of users -- I assume you configured it correctly. |
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| 01:17.39 | moty66_ | I can reset all the firmware files of the nas, but I wish if I can fix it without this reset |
| 01:18.39 | moty66_ | themill: before editing /etc/passwd file, everything was working fine, su and sudo, both |
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| 01:19.28 | fleeky | howto out there for turning your debian box into a router for your lan to wan ? |
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| 01:19.43 | gnarface | there should be |
| 01:19.58 | fleeky | ive got wireless and ethernet but for now im just worried about getting the ethernet to route to the outside and how to get dhcp working properly |
| 01:20.20 | sney | fleeky: I liked using shorewall to manage that when I did it, and they have good docs |
| 01:20.35 | gnarface | you just turn on ip forwarding and run a couple iptables commands |
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| 01:20.56 | fleeky | alright well ill look up how to do that then thanks |
| 01:21.16 | gnarface | i admit the iptables manpage is a bit intimidating but generally you just need a small portion of it |
| 01:21.31 | gnarface | you can skip all the stuff about network protocols you're not using |
| 01:22.28 | sney | iptables syntax is pretty opaque which is why I lean towards shorewall for people who've never done this before - especially for when you want to forward ports later down the line. it's all spelled out for you and the config files are human readable |
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| 01:22.38 | sney | much better than going "ugh, how does this work again" |
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| 01:23.14 | gnarface | well there is always that |
| 01:23.20 | homes | i second shorewall. used to write my own ipchains, then iptables rules, now i just use shorewall. much easier, and probably much better rules |
| 01:23.20 | gnarface | but i like my bash scripts |
| 01:23.28 | nsadmin | you can also google for Rusty's Remarkably Unreilable Guides |
| 01:23.50 | moty66_ | themill: it was enough to do "sudo vi /etc/passwd" and change the shell to /bin/sh |
| 01:24.04 | moty66_ | themill: but still don't understand why su or sudo wont work |
| 01:24.17 | homes | moty66_: suggest you use vipw |
| 01:24.30 | themill | moty66_: and that doesn't work any more? (and have you tried any of the other things suggested yet?) |
| 01:24.40 | nsadmin | or just su, then use the editor you want |
| 01:25.13 | themill | nsadmin: umm the point was to use vipw not any editor you want |
| 01:25.13 | moty66_ | themill: fixed |
| 01:25.17 | nsadmin | a little more dangerous, perhaps in that it's a lot more flexible. still, don't stay in there long |
| 01:25.23 | moty66_ | themill: I can sudo -i |
| 01:25.38 | nsadmin | who's point? |
| 01:26.02 | themill | nsadmin: please follow the discussion or don't distract and provide poor advice. |
| 01:27.12 | nsadmin | if you have experience and you count to ten before hitting enter, it's not that poor. don't be so parental, it's their machine |
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| 02:08.31 | Sadin | Any debian users running on mac hardware right now? |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | ppc or x86? |
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| 02:09.56 | Sadin | abrotman i believe its x86 |
| 02:10.02 | Sadin | Its intel core 2 duo |
| 02:10.10 | Darkstar1 | x86 |
| 02:11.08 | Sadin | Im thinking about replacing OSX on my macbook and installing debian |
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| 02:11.20 | homes | seems a good idea |
| 02:11.34 | Sadin | I miss having linux on the go |
| 02:11.40 | Sadin | as opposed to just desktop |
| 02:11.58 | Sadin | However i dont know if i want to mess with my mac that much since i hear they are a pain |
| 02:12.03 | homes | oh, on the go....one some laptops one takes a massive battery life hit |
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| 02:12.30 | Sadin | homes well the battery on this old mac has already gone bad |
| 02:12.36 | Sadin | i use the charger only now |
| 02:12.39 | homes | ahh |
| 02:12.47 | Darkstar1 | They are and tbh for desktop OS I stick with my osx and for the most part I work on it as if I'm working with linux :) |
| 02:13.13 | homes | mmm, though osx is non-free |
| 02:14.18 | Sadin | Darkstar1 yeah i just miss having xfce, and my old dev environment i had on my old acer before it went bad |
| 02:14.20 | Sadin | lol |
| 02:14.21 | Sadin | :P |
| 02:14.45 | homes | if you have the cash, i notice zareason make a ultrabook that they'll ship with debian, looks to be quite a nice machine |
| 02:15.11 | Sadin | homes im 17 and i have to pay for my car and gas :P |
| 02:15.12 | homes | been contemplating getting one, though to be honest i can live fine enough on a single core atom |
| 02:15.18 | Sadin | Id love to get one though |
| 02:15.26 | Sadin | or get a system67 and load debian onto it |
| 02:15.32 | homes | ahh. |
| 02:15.35 | Justin | Sadin: buy an old thinkpad |
| 02:15.46 | Sadin | Justin now there is a thought |
| 02:16.20 | homes | sell macbook, buy thinkpad, or trade macbook, could be win |
| 02:16.21 | Justin | I almost got a t61 off ebay but decided to just order a new one, but you can get some good deals on core2duo thinkpads |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | my T500 works OOTB (needing firmware for wifi) |
| 02:17.22 | Justin | it's nice when you do a 'lspci' and every single line is 'Intel' |
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| 02:17.39 | abrotman | Justin: i have a Ricoh in there! |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | well, a bunch of them |
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| 02:18.07 | Justin | oh, you have the fingerprint scanner? I just have one for the card reader |
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| 02:18.19 | abrotman | Justin: no, it's all the card-reader .. but there are numerous lines for it |
| 02:18.21 | Sadin | Justin id like an old touch screen thinkpad the x series that shipped with XP my friend runs one with fedora great |
| 02:18.25 | Mr_Queue_ | homes: I'm in need to replace my current T61... |
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| 02:18.45 | abrotman | Justin: and seemingly some Firewire controller? |
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| 02:18.54 | abrotman | but you get the idea |
| 02:19.24 | Justin | abrotman: oh, I have usb3, no firewire |
| 02:19.27 | Mr_Queue_ | Justin: actually that was for you. |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | Justin: i'll pastebin |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | Justin: http://paste.debian.net/212898/ |
| 02:20.06 | Justin | Mr_Queue_: I got an x230. pretty much the fastest machine I've ever used |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | i'll guess it's the little 1394 plug on the wrong |
| 02:20.23 | abrotman | on the front |
| 02:20.37 | Justin | that thing has a lot of devices.. my lspci is only 16 entries |
| 02:20.38 | Mr_Queue_ | Justin: I'm on a T61p from a few years ago.. It won't die! |
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| 02:21.02 | abrotman | Justin: it's fairly new, and a T-series .. they pack more stuff in it i suppose |
| 02:21.04 | Justin | yeah, I almost got one of those for $250 or so |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | well, i guess a few years old now |
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| 02:22.01 | Justin | abrotman: biggest difference is that seems to have 2 usb interfaces |
| 02:22.19 | Justin | you're not docked are you? |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:22.29 | Justin | weird :) |
| 02:22.44 | homes | ponders an AMD E-450 based netbook to put debian on |
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| 02:35.51 | homes | ahh, so many fine laptops ruined by not using atheros wifi :< |
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| 02:42.09 | Mr_Queue_ | ^^ :D |
| 02:42.32 | Mr_Queue_ | I can put an Ubiquiti in this T61. |
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| 02:43.26 | Mr_Queue_ | Matter of fact, wifi is the only thing I can't run right out of the box with Debian. It's not a huge deal breaker. |
| 02:48.00 | ross` | error while loading shared libraries: libXcompext.so.3 |
| 02:48.02 | ross` | what package do i want |
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| 02:48.54 | abrotman | !tell ross` about apt-file |
| 02:51.35 | ross` | apt-file search libXcompext returns nothing |
| 02:51.40 | ross` | same with the .so.3 appended |
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| 02:58.10 | abrotman | ross`: what are you trying to run ? |
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| 03:02.06 | hays | how do i recover from this: W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 03:03.12 | themill | hays: running apt-get update again may be enough; pick one mirror rather than using the ftp.us.d.o round-robin is also safer |
| 03:03.30 | hays | themill: running it again gave the same error |
| 03:03.45 | dvs | httpdebian.net |
| 03:03.46 | themill | hence "may" |
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| 03:07.59 | themill | (the MIT mirror in the ftp.us.d.o round-robin didn't update in the last mirror pulse) |
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| 03:13.22 | j4jackj | is abrotman here? can you tell me the correct annswer without flooding? |
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| 03:14.23 | j4jackj | abrotman, what is the entire base system? |
| 03:14.32 | j4jackj | for the purposes of a desktop user? |
| 03:14.40 | j4jackj | what is the entire base system? |
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| 03:15.24 | stew | j4jackj: aptitude search '~prequired' '~pimportant' |
| 03:15.55 | stew | but it sounds like maybe you have your own idea about what "base" means. so perhaps add xorg,gnome. or see "tasksel --task-packages desktop" |
| 03:16.05 | j4jackj | :) |
| 03:16.06 | stew | and perhaps '~pstandard' |
| 03:16.28 | j4jackj | desktop-base is what I call the minimal base system then, ok? |
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| 03:16.58 | stew | so you are answering your own question? |
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| 03:17.31 | stew | no, that package can't be the answer to such a question |
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| 03:18.48 | j4jackj | I'll redefine. Entire base = (pstandard+pimportant+prequired+desktop-base) |
| 03:19.16 | j4jackj | stew are you an op? |
| 03:19.19 | stew | yes |
| 03:19.21 | stew | so no x server? |
| 03:19.48 | stew | judd: depends desktop-base |
| 03:19.49 | j4jackj | BASE system. No X, no nada. BASE. What you need to run a CLI desktop system is what I call base. |
| 03:19.49 | moty66_ | https://www.debconf.org/ is offline or something is wrong the ssl |
| 03:19.50 | judd | Package desktop-base in squeeze/i386 -- depends: librsvg2-common. |
| 03:20.05 | stew | j4jackj: why include desktop-base? |
| 03:20.22 | j4jackj | because it depends on dbus and the likes of such... |
| 03:20.31 | j4jackj | hang on i'll find out |
| 03:20.58 | stew | does it? |
| 03:21.47 | j4jackj | hang on, will pastebin |
| 03:22.23 | stew | damn, multiarch kills the ability to do things like just "aptitude install '~pstandard" |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | can't you specify arch also ? |
| 03:23.00 | abrotman | j4jackj: what are you actually tgrying to accomplish? |
| 03:23.12 | j4jackj | http://pastebin.com/qvnsPRAc |
| 03:23.18 | stew | i'd hope so |
| 03:23.41 | j4jackj | i'm trying to install a debian system since d-i botched it. |
| 03:24.01 | j4jackj | stupid question, oh well. I know about installing the kernel and GRUB |
| 03:24.20 | dvs | I wouldn't call libgtk a base library |
| 03:24.45 | j4jackj | it is if you want to install a desktop gui system |
| 03:24.52 | stew | "Package desktop-base in squeeze/i386 -- depends: librsvg2-common" is an cryptic way of accomplishing this |
| 03:25.08 | dvs | j4jackj: how did the debian-installer botch up a debian install? |
| 03:25.42 | stew | if you want a desktop gui system, most people would also want an x server |
| 03:25.58 | j4jackj | it couldn't install grub because it was not on the network, and continue without boot loader failed miserably by looping me back to the boot loader choice screen, and i'm sure xfce4 depends on X |
| 03:26.11 | j4jackj | and i'm installling the 3 majors, xfce kde and gnome. |
| 03:26.20 | stew | none of those should depend on an x server |
| 03:26.44 | j4jackj | trouble is they should because they run on an x server. |
| 03:26.48 | abrotman | no |
| 03:26.56 | j4jackj | they don't directly depend on it. |
| 03:27.00 | dvs | Installing three desktop environments is definitely not a base install to me. |
| 03:27.02 | stew | j4jackj: yes, but X is a networked protocol |
| 03:27.03 | abrotman | they run on an x server, not necessarily o ntha tbox |
| 03:27.06 | abrotman | on that box |
| 03:27.10 | stew | j4jackj: so they don't have to run on the same machine as the display server |
| 03:27.43 | j4jackj | Well I don't think my setups so far can run remote desktop over X |
| 03:27.51 | j4jackj | if you want to call it that |
| 03:27.58 | stew | then you'll want a local x server |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | let us know when you test it |
| 03:28.01 | stew | is my point |
| 03:28.20 | j4jackj | xserver-xorg i'm sure is local, or at least capable of such |
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| 03:29.16 | stew | i'm just saying it seems to be missing from your package lists |
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| 03:29.44 | j4jackj | well let me tell you that xfce, kde and gnome somehow depend on an x server and all of it's drivers. |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | but it didn't install it? |
| 03:30.02 | stew | uh, ok |
| 03:30.05 | stew | but they don't |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | stew: but they must! |
| 03:30.24 | stew | … |
| 03:30.39 | j4jackj | it recommends xorg. |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | recommends is not depends |
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| 03:31.11 | j4jackj | ok. i thought it dependsed because it installs automagically with xfce4 |
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| 03:32.54 | j4jackj | http://packages.debian.org/hu/squeeze/xfce4 is almost all in english, except for one spot in the deps. that's where it's hu_HU. |
| 03:33.29 | j4jackj | And it says this in english: |
| 03:33.29 | j4jackj | This page is also available in the following languages (How to set the default document language): |
| 03:33.30 | j4jackj | Български (Bəlgarski) česky dansk Deutsch English suomi français Italiano 日本語 (Nihongo) Nederlands polski Português (pt) Русский (Russkij) slovensky svenska українська (ukrajins'ka) 中文 (Zhongwen,简) 中文 (Zhongwen,繁) |
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| 03:35.08 | j4jackj | what's with #debian-overflow? |
| 03:35.39 | abrotman | we already explained it to you |
| 03:35.48 | j4jackj | i forgot |
| 03:36.26 | kyle__ | I'm having troble connecting to wireless using a p54usb in deb 6.0.6 |
| 03:36.30 | j4jackj | why is it inviite only |
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| 03:36.54 | j4jackj | kyle__: try installing the firmware over ethernet |
| 03:36.55 | abrotman | kyle__: the device is detected? |
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| 03:37.06 | abrotman | prism54 doesn't have firmware? |
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| 03:37.30 | j4jackj | it's all i know about for wifi. when things go wrong install the firmware. |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | oh, it is required .. but not packaged |
| 03:37.43 | kyle__ | The module loads fine, and finds the firmware and loads it without complaint. According to syslog, it associates and authenticates without issue, but it never gets a response from dhcp. i've tried it on my network with wpa2 (and tried restarting the router), and on my neighbors unsecured wifi. |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | j4jackj: not all wifi has firmware .. |
| 03:37.53 | Snafu777 | ooo wifi |
| 03:37.55 | kyle__ | j4jackj: I only found one firmware for this guy. |
| 03:37.56 | Snafu777 | whats the topic? |
| 03:37.57 | abrotman | !tell kyle__ about p54 |
| 03:38.21 | j4jackj | yes it does, just sometimes it's loaded into the wifi adapter hardwire and can only be told to do this do that do the other. |
| 03:38.31 | Snafu777 | !tell snafu777 hi |
| 03:38.37 | j4jackj | and sometime's it's free |
| 03:38.47 | themill | Snafu777: you can talk to the bot in a private message. |
| 03:38.59 | j4jackj | and comes with linux or the wifi card. |
| 03:39.17 | Snafu777 | hah |
| 03:39.20 | Snafu777 | interesting |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | kyle__: same response with wpa2 and open ? |
| 03:39.46 | kyle__ | j4jackj: I have something like 2 dozen of these dell branded p54usb adapters. They came with some order at work years ago, and have been sitting around. For the first time ever, one of them is needed :) |
| 03:40.10 | kyle__ | abrotman: yup, associate, try dhcp, disconnect after not getting a repsonse. |
| 03:40.23 | abrotman | kyle__: and you've installed the firmware? |
| 03:40.30 | abrotman | kyle__: did you read the wiki page about it? |
| 03:41.01 | kyle__ | abrotman: I put it in /usr/local/lib/firmware renamed it isl3887usb_bare |
| 03:41.06 | kyle__ | I did read the wiki page too. |
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| 03:41.22 | abrotman | feels like /usr/local/lib/firmware/ is hte wrong place .. |
| 03:42.01 | kyle__ | abrotman: It finds the firmware though, and loads it. |
| 03:42.34 | kyle__ | I actually had the wrong name (typo), and it didn't load until I fixed, then went to bed in disgust when it still wasn't working at 4am this weekend. |
| 03:42.36 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | kyle__: what is uname -r ? |
| 03:43.57 | kyle__ | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:44.11 | Snafu777 | Question for those who might help: I am working on my own .deb repo for the N900... I'm hacking together programs which dont exist on the official repos. One of the programs I've managed to hack together is Proxychains. In order to get proxychains to ./configure right, the package dig must be installed in /usr/bin.... I went ahead and found a copy of dig that works for the N900... if i drop dig in /usr/bin, it configures just fine. My target |
| 03:44.11 | Snafu777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.11 | abrotman | unless they're fairly new, i'd tihnk that should work |
| 03:44.35 | j4jackj | sudo apt-get install a life: The following dependencies are not met: a pen, paper, a mind. How do you install these? Well you get a pen and a piece of paper, and using this, you fit the pieces of the puzzle in yor mind together. Retry apt-get install reality Configuring reality: Please understand that reality goes well outside of your room. Understood (yes) (yes) (no) ***arrgh, buggy software*** **clicking yes** Reality configured. Done. |
| 03:44.35 | j4jackj | reality dep: a life (>=1900), installing a life. |
| 03:44.35 | j4jackj | SUCCEEDED. |
| 03:44.47 | kyle__ | abrotman: Holdon, I just had a horrible thought that I may have done something stupid. Checking. |
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| 03:45.05 | abrotman | j4jackj: please try to stop spewing nonsense into the channel |
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| 03:45.13 | abrotman | j4jackj: this isn't your first time doing that |
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| 03:45.22 | kyle__ | abrotman: Ah. Nope. I installed the firmware supposedly for this chipset. |
| 03:45.36 | dvs | j4jackj: Why do you write the wrong things to the wrong channels? |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | or any ... |
| 03:45.47 | kyle__ | But I _DID_ apparently find alternative older firmwares. Going to try those. |
| 03:46.19 | Snafu777 | Anyone? |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | anyone what? |
| 03:46.45 | Snafu777 | Did u not see what I posted above? =) |
| 03:46.48 | Snafu777 | I didnt want to respam it |
| 03:47.02 | Snafu777 | Figure this would be the place to get the answer |
| 03:47.04 | dvs | Snafu777: I think you want the developer's channel |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | sorry, didn't see it in among all of the garbage from j4jackj |
| 03:47.29 | Snafu777 | ... #developer? |
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| 03:47.39 | abrotman | !tell Snafu777 about mentors |
| 03:47.43 | dvs | #debian-devel I think |
| 03:48.03 | Snafu777 | cool |
| 03:48.06 | Snafu777 | thank ya =) |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | kyle__: do you have another adapter to try? |
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| 03:48.24 | subb1 | Hello all. |
| 03:48.47 | kyle__ | abrotman: All of it's bretheren are in my office, and I can't locate my zydas adapter. |
| 03:49.13 | Snafu777 | heh |
| 03:49.16 | Snafu777 | invite only on both channels |
| 03:49.17 | Snafu777 | .. |
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| 03:49.29 | subb1 | I'd like to use php only for command line on my debian system. apt-get install php5 pulls up many packages with it. So for my purpose should I be running this only > apt-get install php5-cli ? please advise |
| 03:49.35 | abrotman | Snafu777: irc.oftc.net .. read the factoid |
| 03:49.47 | Snafu777 | apt-get --no-install-recommends install <package> |
| 03:49.48 | Snafu777 | =) |
| 03:49.51 | Snafu777 | thanks |
| 03:49.53 | subb1 | I want php only for command line scripting *** |
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| 03:50.11 | abrotman | subb1: yes, that should work .. you may need extensions eventually |
| 03:50.19 | lusers | Hi. I have been trying to figure out about patches and to compile sources. I have all necessary packages + sources + a patch. Do Debian Wheezy (and above) now use quilt (instead of dpatch)? |
| 03:50.37 | themill | Snafu777: #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net; you should start by reading the new maintainer guide to learn about packaging. /msg dpkg nmg |
| 03:50.57 | Snafu777 | I have read some of the guide =) |
| 03:51.07 | Snafu777 | Just trying to do something thats unconventional |
| 03:51.10 | Snafu777 | and dont want to reflash |
| 03:51.20 | Snafu777 | I could try of course, but hey if i can get a quick answer, thats best to save time -=) |
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| 03:51.40 | subb1 | abrotman, ok. extensions are necessary only if I plan to get mysql or webserver up later on right? |
| 03:51.42 | abrotman | kyle__: there's a verbose mode for the dhclient .. but i'm not sure what info it might give oyu |
| 03:51.48 | nutron | is apt.conf supposed to be under /etc/ or under /etc/apt/ ? |
| 03:51.51 | abrotman | subb1: well, sort of .. but close enough |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | nutron: /etc/apt/ |
| 03:52.16 | themill | Snafu777: the new maintainer' guide will also tell you how to do things in postinst. But I'd suggest that you shouldn't be building stuff in postinst. |
| 03:52.31 | kyle__ | whiel, while I'm futzting with this, a very stupid question. What package has the openssh server? I did a streight desktop install, used a very long ethernet cable to run updates and install packages... but the only ssh server I saw in apt-cache was the dropbear one. |
| 03:52.52 | abrotman | openssh-server |
| 03:53.01 | Snafu777 | yeah themill, its tricky |
| 03:53.09 | Snafu777 | the N900 is a wonderful platform |
| 03:53.14 | Snafu777 | but some things dont exist for it =) |
| 03:53.18 | Snafu777 | and svn sucks... |
| 03:53.28 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:53.28 | Snafu777 | well, svn is good |
| 03:53.35 | themill | kyle__: check your sources.list -- do you actually have a mirror? /msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list |
| 03:53.45 | Snafu777 | N900: a Portable Pentesting device, held in the Palm of your hand |
| 03:54.08 | kyle__ | abrotman: That's what I thought, but I don't see that at all. I installed off of the dvd image dded to a usb key, then edited /etc/apt/sources.list (commented out the dvd, uncommented the four lines pointing to http://security.debian.org and http://ftp.debian.org |
| 03:54.49 | themill | kyle__: perhaps you could pastebin it for us rather than summarising it |
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| 03:55.10 | kyle__ | themill: Typing on my laptop (which has wifi), desktop doesn't yet. |
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| 03:56.07 | themill | kyle__: well, it sounds like your sources.list is wrong, so you either need to work out what's wrong yourself (/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list) or show it to us so we can help. run "apt-get update" after changing it. |
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| 03:57.33 | kyle__ | themill: Manually reconsiling dpkg's list with the one on the box. Doesn't appear to different though. |
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| 03:57.51 | subb1 | abrotman, well. thanks for info :) |
| 03:58.09 | themill | kyle__: if you didn't find openssh-server and you have 4 lines in your sources.list, then I doubt that. |
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| 03:59.12 | kyle__ | themill: the only part that had squeeze main was the DVD, the http entries were all for security updates and contrib packages. |
| 03:59.59 | kyle__ | phy0: unknown rssi calibration data packing type:(1908) len: 14.\nphy0: please report this issue. |
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| 04:00.26 | abrotman | wonder if a newer kernel would be of help |
| 04:00.30 | kyle__ | Sorry, came up on boot, had to type it somewhere before it slipped by |
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| 04:00.59 | themill | kyle__: if you say it's correct ... you're the one with it in front of you. But the data you tell me about openssh-server not being found and having 4 lines in the sources.list disagrees with your assertion that it's correct. Perhaps you could just stick it into paste.debian.net? |
| 04:01.10 | kyle__ | abrotman: Now that I have a reasonable sources.list, I can actually get one. Once I run the overly-long ethernet cable. So that may be tomorrow. |
| 04:01.28 | kyle__ | themill: I'm saying you were right, there was a difference. Sleepy eyes had to read over it several times to get it. |
| 04:01.39 | themill | kyle__: ahh.. ok. |
| 04:02.50 | Aunnix | does Linux support exFAT? should I format a hard drive intended to be an external hard drive with exFAT or NTFS to run on both Linux and Windows? |
| 04:03.12 | abrotman | Aunnix: apt-cache search exfat .. i see packages |
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| 04:09.43 | kyle__ | Oh well. 5am comes really early. Will try again later |
| 04:09.45 | kyle__ | Thanks all! |
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| 04:10.21 | Aunnix | abrotman: hmm.. that command doesn't show me a list or packages. it just runs, then gives me a new command prompt/input |
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| 04:10.29 | lfaraone | I have an armhf system, and I want to use packages from an exteranl repository that are arch-all. The remote repository does not have the armhf arch, so adding the deb line in sources.list causes errors. Is there a way to tell apt to only look for arch-all packages there? |
| 04:11.29 | Aunnix | in general which filesystem would be better to use on both linux and windows, exfat or ntfs? |
| 04:11.34 | themill | lfaraone: I think you're going to need to use something like grep-dctrl to filter out a Packages file of only arch:all packages and then point apt at that (with the same pool structure) |
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| 04:12.38 | un214 | Aunnix: My recommend is to use each to its own filesystem and use a FAT32 shared to move data back & forth |
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| 04:15.40 | Aunnix | un214: yeah, I know FAT32 is the ideal system... but what if there is a file larger than 4GB? (for reference, I'm building a server to hold all of my media and various data..) |
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| 04:16.24 | un214 | I have no experience in exFAT |
| 04:16.44 | un214 | If you're building a server, I'd recommend ext3 + samba |
| 04:18.11 | un214 | More on your original thought lines: there's an ext2 windows driver. It might be asking for less trouble than the potentially patent-encumbered exFAT stuff down the line, but then again it might not. |
| 04:18.19 | jagginess | un214, yeah.. fat32 has a limit on filesize, max is 4gig |
| 04:18.42 | un214 | jagginess: yeah I know. I've never hit it except with databases and disk images |
| 04:18.48 | jagginess | un214, (i've yet to see an ext2driver app on windows that's actually stable) |
| 04:19.06 | Aunnix | un214: ah.. well, from what I'm reading it is basically FAT beefed up... and, yeah I plan to use samba so the windows computers, etc. can save directly to the server. I wasn't sure which to use, but I am using ext4 at the moment. why is ext3 better? |
| 04:19.14 | un214 | jagginess: but I have |
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| 04:19.38 | Aunnix | and databases could potentially become an issue for me if they can get larger than 4GB |
| 04:19.43 | un214 | Aunnix: ext3 is probably not better than ext4 |
| 04:19.46 | jagginess | Aunnix, exfat is not writable in linux.. but ntfs is stable in linux for years (tuxera has a community stable edition, they help develop ntfs-3g) |
| 04:20.14 | jagginess | Aunnix, -- if you already have ntfs on usb drives, linux can read them |
| 04:20.22 | jagginess | Aunnix, (and write to them safely) |
| 04:20.29 | lfaraone | themill: agh, so I'd need to ask the repository maintainer to do that? |
| 04:20.36 | Aunnix | jagginess: that's nice to hear.. I've already installed ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs |
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| 04:21.15 | jagginess | Aunnix, if you're hopping between two operating systems, the best recommendation i can make is to make a webdav or smb share |
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| 04:21.31 | jagginess | Aunnix, (which i do), otherwise the best route to using it on an internal drive, is to use ntfs |
| 04:21.34 | Aunnix | un214: ok. just wondering if there was a noticeable difference in them or anything. I wasn't real sure and didn't do enough research, haha. |
| 04:21.48 | themill | lfaraone: you could probably do it with something like debmirror or reprepro and a couple of post-processing scripts to make your own armhf arch entries. |
| 04:21.49 | jagginess | Aunnix, that way you dont have to worry about filesize and ext2 crashing in windows.. |
| 04:21.58 | themill | lfaraone: it's going to be hacky though, no matter which way you do it |
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| 04:22.44 | jagginess | Aunnix, (I'm talking exclusively only about userdata share, like storing documents/videos/music..etc.. the linux OS is of course has to be non-ntfs) |
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| 04:24.05 | Aunnix | jagginess: so here is my idea.. I have 2 x 2TB drives in the computer. I'm going to write everything to the first one. Then the second, with the help of scripts will mount itself periodically and sync with/copy everything (using rsync/cron probably) on the first 2TB drive. |
| 04:24.11 | Aunnix | that's all internal |
| 04:24.35 | jagginess | Aunnix, you have two 1TB?.. I would definitely make at least a RAID1 with those two drives... |
| 04:24.40 | Aunnix | then I will take an external to back that up like monthly or something to have an offline backup |
| 04:25.16 | Aunnix | see, I was told RAID1 wouldn't be a good idea for that |
| 04:25.18 | jagginess | Aunnix, you then use a backup plan even though raid can be used.. |
| 04:25.20 | Aunnix | because it isn't a true backup |
| 04:25.28 | jagginess | Aunnix, ya |
| 04:26.06 | Aunnix | that's when rsync and cron started being suggested to me, lol |
| 04:26.23 | jagginess | Aunnix, rsync is not a backup solution.. it's a mirroring solution.. |
| 04:26.31 | jagginess | Aunnix, and it's a bad choice actually.. |
| 04:27.03 | Aunnix | would you have something else to suggest? |
| 04:27.06 | jagginess | Aunnix, if you want a very sloppt backup solution, rsync may work for you.. You should have multiple snapshot backups of different times automated.. rsync can't do this.. |
| 04:27.32 | themill | (rsnapshot can, and uses rsync to do it) |
| 04:28.22 | Aunnix | so instead of just copying over every folder and such, you are saying I should be taking backup images (like ISOs)? |
| 04:28.42 | engla | rdiff-backup can do that jagginess |
| 04:28.48 | jagginess | Aunnix, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backup_software .. there's many routes.. I do use "rsync".. but I use it for simply mirroring my music library, and I dont need advanced backups for it.. |
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| 04:29.05 | Aunnix | I liked the idea of rsync because it would be periodic and only copy over changed or new files.. |
| 04:29.21 | jagginess | Aunnix, some of those apps on that list are already packaged for debian |
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| 04:29.54 | engla | rdiff-backup has some of the positive parts of rsync, but you can't selectively delete incrementals |
| 04:29.56 | Aunnix | cool.. I'll check it out |
| 04:30.59 | Aunnix | selectively delete incrementals? |
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| 04:32.46 | engla | say rdiff-backup has target ./bup you'll have incremental differences backwards in time to previous snapshots. Only the most recent is browsable, and you can't selectively delete incrementals |
| 04:33.17 | Aunnix | ah, ok... previous backup points? |
| 04:33.21 | engla | yes |
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| 04:34.25 | Aunnix | I have the OS on a separate disk, so I basically just wanted to copy everything straight over to the second 2TB HDD |
| 04:35.04 | Aunnix | does this need to be done by imaging? |
| 04:35.34 | Aunnix | or can it basically just make two copies and put them each in different directories/drives? |
| 04:36.17 | Aunnix | I was thinking the latter of just having 2 copies so everything is identical on the drives... |
| 04:38.36 | Beast | night |
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| 04:39.05 | engla | Aunnix: a copy should be enough, as long as it preserves the needed metadata (permissions etc) |
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| 04:40.35 | Aunnix | engla: would ntfs be capable of this on both windows and linux (debian squeeze) |
| 04:41.30 | engla | I don't know. |
| 04:41.42 | Aunnix | I was actually thinking to format the first 2TB drive as ext4 and the second 2TB drive as ntfs |
| 04:41.53 | un214 | linux NTFS does not have permissions |
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| 04:43.52 | Aunnix | un214: hmm.. ok |
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| 04:44.44 | engla | most backup programs have a solution to this, so they work with "dumb" storage |
| 04:45.01 | Aunnix | un214: so I would think since linux ignores/doesn't have permissions, they should be preserved for hooking the drive up to a windows pc... |
| 04:45.10 | Aunnix | any ideas? |
| 04:45.36 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 04:45.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:45.38 | un214 | Aunnix: I'm pretty sure you can depend on linux NTFS doing the wrong thing with permissions as soon as you start modifying files |
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| 04:46.32 | Aunnix | well that sucks... |
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| 05:20.43 | alecst | Hey guys. Sometimes I'll come home and my computer should be locked from inactivity, but I'm allowed to move around and click stuff for a few seconds before the lock window comes up. Is this a known issue, and is there any way to fix this? |
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| 05:27.36 | jagginess | alecst, oops, sorry i just logged off, you were saying ? :) |
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| 05:28.26 | alecst | No problem man. So when I go on my computer, and it should be locked, sometimes I'm able to use the computer uninhibited before I get kicked off and sent to the lock screen. Really weird. |
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| 05:28.42 | munderwo-work | Hi all, Has anybody got some experience with pbuilder? |
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| 05:29.48 | munderwo-work | !pbuilder |
| 05:29.48 | dpkg | [pbuilder] "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
| 05:29.52 | jagginess | alecst, i was joking that i was using your system :) |
| 05:29.53 | themill | munderwo-work: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 05:30.06 | alecst | jagginess: I am a idiot |
| 05:30.21 | jagginess | alecst, maybe it's a race condition with dbus vs the older system.. |
| 05:30.33 | alecst | jagginess: What's that mean? |
| 05:30.38 | jagginess | alecst, does this user have super priviledge? |
| 05:30.55 | themill | munderwo-work: (also, please avoid cross-posting as you can just end up wasting people's time when several people start helping you) |
| 05:31.23 | alecst | jagginess: (I'm new) as in, can I sudo in the terminal? Yea |
| 05:31.24 | jagginess | alecst, (Pulse audio is a pita-- eg, one should not be in the "audio" group if he is using ConsoleKit -- this all sounds like hogwash to you) |
| 05:31.43 | munderwo-work | themill: ok. Im using pbuilder to build a custom package that involves a bunch of libraries and a python package, and then using fpm to build the virtualenv into a deb package. I've got all that working in a hook with pbuilder. Now I need to get the deb file back out. I dont have a .dsc file (because its a custom build) is there a way I can copy the .deb file out of the chroot? |
| 05:32.13 | jagginess | alecst, does it only happen when you are on tty1(and you dont logout of tty1?) , then do ctl-alt-f7 and try to let it sleep |
| 05:32.14 | alecst | jagginess: Eh, what does pulseaudio have to do with this? |
| 05:32.55 | themill | munderwo-work: automatically or manually? (also, I don't know why you'd be using virtualenv in packaging... that sounds wrong) |
| 05:33.10 | jagginess | alecst, i gave that as an example with areas of conflict, a user using a dbus layer example -- where a problem can occur.. |
| 05:33.29 | alecst | jagginess: When I am on ttyl? I have no idea what that means... |
| 05:33.31 | alecst | jagginess: Ok I see. |
| 05:33.35 | jagginess | alecst, .. |
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| 05:33.51 | jagginess | alecst, dbus also relates whether you use X or not |
| 05:34.15 | munderwo-work | themill: I can do it manually by doing pbuilder login, and then outside that shell find the file, but it looks like pbuilder can kinda output a file to a location when its doing backports and the like.. |
| 05:34.45 | alecst | jagginess: How can I tell if there's a conflict with pulseaudio? |
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| 05:35.04 | jagginess | alecst, dunno if pulseaudio can be your problem at all.. |
| 05:35.20 | alecst | jagginess: I'm happy to listen to advice, it's just really hard to parse your lingo. I wish I could give better answers |
| 05:35.21 | jagginess | alecst, perhaps check the logs and see where there's errors (/var/log) |
| 05:35.29 | alecst | jagginess: Ok |
| 05:35.47 | jagginess | alecst, also ~/.xsession-errors, but you're saying you're not using the GUI ? |
| 05:35.57 | alecst | jagginess: I am using the GUI |
| 05:36.13 | jagginess | alecst, GUI is on tty1 for you in debian? |
| 05:36.22 | munderwo-work | themill: the virtualenv is I admit a hack, but the end result is that I need to install a python library, that is a wrapper around a bunch of libraries that all need to be compiled and put somewhere the python lib can get at them. And a virtualenv works well for that. SO i might as well just package up the whole virtenv and then install all the extra dependencies.. |
| 05:36.31 | alecst | jagginess: I'm not familiar with the word ttyl |
| 05:36.44 | jagginess | alecst, tty7 .. tty#'s is just ctl-alt-Fn.. |
| 05:36.46 | themill | munderwo-work: that assumes that pbuilder is doing the build, not a hook script. If pbuilder is doing the build, then you'd normally get the built package in .. or in /var/cache/pbuilder/result depending on configuration. If you need to tweak this, the BUILDRESULT environment variable is normally used. If you're not going to let pbuilder do the build itself, then you'll have to do an extra bind-mount to get the package out. |
| 05:37.07 | alecst | jagginess: My mistake. I see |
| 05:37.12 | jagginess | alecst, they're just terminal points into the system, tty1-tty7 |
| 05:37.20 | alecst | jagginess: GUI is tty8 |
| 05:37.25 | jagginess | alecst, plaintext login prompts is tty1 to tty6.. |
| 05:37.28 | jagginess | alecst, thats fine |
| 05:37.44 | munderwo-work | themill: so does the bind-mount mount a directory inside the chroot to a directory outside the chroot? |
| 05:37.45 | jagginess | alecst, (sometimes when you switch users it can bounce between tty7+) |
| 05:38.16 | jagginess | alecst, Dbus is a user-helper layer of linux so that you do not have to use sudo for accessing devices.. |
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| 05:38.46 | jagginess | alecst, in a very awkward defining way to explain it.. but you said you use sudo.. (try not to see this as a strict definition, just to give you an idea) |
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| 05:38.47 | alecst | jagginess: Okay. Could there be a conflict that is allowed me to access my GUI and files and stuff without the screen locking? |
| 05:39.09 | alecst | jagginess: I see |
| 05:39.16 | jagginess | alecst, ~/.xsession-errors << "~" means home |
| 05:39.32 | jagginess | alecst, by default your .dotstuff doesnt show with nautilus.. |
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| 05:39.42 | jagginess | alecst, you can use terminal to see that file |
| 05:40.01 | alecst | jagginess: I can access that, I'm looking at it now |
| 05:40.24 | alecst | jagginess: Lots of errors. How old are these? |
| 05:40.41 | jagginess | alecst, its safe to make that file zero byte size.. |
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| 05:40.59 | jagginess | alecst, echo > ~/.xsession-errors |
| 05:41.15 | themill | munderwo-work: you have to mount things from the outside into the chroot. (things inside the chroot can't find things outside the chroot to bind mount them) adding things to BINDMOUNTS will help there. Be very very careful to make sure that the bind mounts are unmounted prior to tearing down the chroot -- when rm is run on the chroot, it will descend into any bind mounts you have... there are many people who have lost their $HOME to such mistakes. ( |
| 05:41.16 | themill | adding to BINDMOUNTS should be sufficient to do that safely) |
| 05:41.38 | jagginess | themill, hahah you had to add another line.. noob! |
| 05:41.47 | jagginess | oops |
| 05:41.48 | jagginess | :) |
| 05:41.57 | themill | wonders why --one-file-system is not used when tearing down the chroot |
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| 05:42.28 | munderwo-work | themill: ahhh so I do a bindmount from outside into, and then once i've finished the build I copy it into there, and then tear down the chroot and the contents of that directory will still be there. |
| 05:42.28 | alecst | jagginess: When I echoed it deleted the file. Why did I want to do that? |
| 05:42.40 | alecst | jagginess: So that when it happens again I can see the error? |
| 05:42.53 | jagginess | alecst, so you can try the problem, and see all the just new recent relevant stuff dude :) |
| 05:43.04 | munderwo-work | themill: THe contents will be there on the outside.. |
| 05:43.05 | jagginess | alecst, then it's easier to see.. |
| 05:43.06 | themill | munderwo-work: yes. You'll typically have a few bind mounts automatically when you log into a pbuilder (try logging in and then running "mount" in another terminal) |
| 05:43.14 | alecst | jagginess: Ok. Should I try logging out and stuff? Haha, sorry I'm such a pain |
| 05:43.24 | alecst | jagginess: I mean "switch user" |
| 05:43.28 | jagginess | alecst, you said it occurs when it tries to go to sleep? |
| 05:43.43 | alecst | jagginess: Well I don't have it set to sleep. Just to lock after 10 min or so |
| 05:43.58 | jagginess | alecst, it also occurs when you try to switch users? |
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| 05:44.00 | themill | munderwo-work: I normally have a bind mount of /tmp/$NAME into all pbuilders to let me stuff things in and out quite easily |
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| 05:44.11 | alecst | jagginess: Not that I know of |
| 05:44.15 | munderwo-work | themill: ok, so is there a way to get pbuilder to run all the hooks and then not login to the shell and tear its self down? |
| 05:44.18 | alecst | jagginess: Really only when I let it lock on its own |
| 05:44.28 | alecst | jagginess: If I lock it manually everything works perfectly |
| 05:45.18 | jagginess | alecst, so shorten it to 1 minute the lock, and then check xsession-errors.. |
| 05:45.18 | themill | munderwo-work: yeah -- make a proper source package and have it build the source package normally rather than trying to do things in hooks. |
| 05:45.29 | alecst | jagginess: That was my plan |
| 05:45.36 | munderwo-work | themill: ha! point taken :) |
| 05:45.40 | jagginess | alecst yup |
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| 05:48.02 | munderwo-work | themill: thanks for all your help! |
| 05:48.45 | themill | munderwo-work: no worries, happy hacking. |
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| 05:48.59 | munderwo-work | themill: cheers! |
| 05:49.02 | alecst | jagginess: Screen doesn't really lock :( |
| 05:49.11 | alecst | jagginess: Set it to thirty seconds and it hasn't locked yet :| |
| 05:49.31 | jagginess | alecst, maybe it's when it tries to go to sleep.. |
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| 05:50.02 | jagginess | alecst, ah..probably the lock comes on after the monitor goes to sleep |
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| 05:50.37 | jagginess | alecst, (or "attempt"s to come on , on its own) |
| 05:50.48 | alecst | jagginess: Yeah, the screen doesn't lock at all |
| 05:50.54 | alecst | jagginess: What the heck |
| 05:50.56 | alecst | haha |
| 05:51.08 | alecst | jagginess: Unless I manually lock it |
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| 05:51.59 | jagginess | alecst, if it has something to do with power, there's kernel bootline stuff you can use, or sometimes a thing or two that can be done with the bios, powermanagement stuff is still pita with linux |
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| 05:53.03 | alecst | jagginess: I honestly don't know what it could have to do with. It's really odd |
| 05:53.13 | jagginess | alecst, (even if you're not intenting powermanagement, dunno if it's the usb powermanagement that is acting up.. that's why you can always to try see if you can disable powermanagement for usb/monitor etc, to see if its the cause of the problem) |
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| 05:54.34 | alecst | jagginess: I have errors in .xession-errors |
| 05:55.14 | jagginess | alecst, you can use dat google, perhaps someone knows (there's multiple things going on here) |
| 05:55.15 | alecst | jagginess: This might be my last dance with gnome, as pretty as it is |
| 05:55.27 | alecst | jagginess: Lookin at dat google right now |
| 05:55.43 | jagginess | alecst, anything about "dmix" errors by any chance? |
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| 05:55.49 | alecst | jagginess: Nope |
| 05:56.34 | jagginess | alecst, some of those errors are benign and can be ignored, if you're not sure of the critical you can try pastebin for someone else to determine which looks more critical to research |
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| 05:58.42 | alecst | jagginess: Ok. Thanks for all your help man. |
| 05:59.36 | jagginess | alecst, i had a problem like this on one of my machines, it may have been related to intel's driver /kms or the soundcard.. but was one -- (maybe kms is the problem for you too) |
| 05:59.49 | alecst | jagginess: Do you think the problem might go away if I use a different window manager? Like, XFCE instead of gnome |
| 06:00.04 | jagginess | alecst, (intel's gfx driver using kms, I set it to no polling with a kernel bootline parameter) |
| 06:00.35 | alecst | jagginess: So why is this so often a problem with linux? What's the deal with drivers not working? |
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| 06:49.02 | n00b_dust | Hi, I'm able to connect to my debian system via SSH from my local wi-fi, but not externally. |
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| 06:51.47 | mwargh | n00b_dust: port mapping |
| 06:52.26 | n00b_dust | Hi, I did forward the port, but its still not working. My ssh client gets stuck at "connecting to ip via ssh" |
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| 06:53.27 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 06:54.34 | cousin_luigi | My servers show a date 2h in the future after every reboot: what could it be? |
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| 06:54.54 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: what is your timezone set to? |
| 06:55.01 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: CET |
| 06:55.18 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: are you dual-booting? Is your hardware clock in UTC or localtime? |
| 06:55.31 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: No and IDK. |
| 06:56.16 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: How can I find out about the latter? |
| 06:56.18 | ectospasm | is CET reported by running 'date'? |
| 06:56.22 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: Yes. |
| 06:57.08 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html |
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| 06:58.18 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: there is no /etc/sysconfig/clock on my system. |
| 06:58.24 | ectospasm | instead of /etc/sysconfig look in /etc/default/hwclock |
| 06:58.52 | ectospasm | in Debian-land, /etc/sysconfig is handed in /etc/default |
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| 07:00.02 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: that file doesn't exist either:| |
| 07:00.18 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: what version of Debian? |
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| 07:01.28 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: Squeeze. Anyway, hwclock shows an output that's 1h ahead and 2h with the --utc switch. |
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| 07:01.32 | cousin_luigi | I'm confused. |
| 07:01.58 | cousin_luigi | rebooting now |
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| 07:02.57 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: man 5 hwclock, or man 8 hwclock |
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| 07:03.56 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: Thanks, it appears to be working now. |
| 07:04.20 | ectospasm | no problem |
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| 07:06.48 | dan408 | hi, any package maintainers here? |
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| 07:12.05 | IRChat | 有中文用户在吗? |
| 07:13.28 | ectospasm | !cn | IRChat |
| 07:13.51 | ectospasm | !cn IRChat |
| 07:13.55 | IRChat | ectospasm, ? |
| 07:14.20 | ectospasm | !zn | IRChat |
| 07:14.25 | ectospasm | !zh | IRChat |
| 07:14.29 | ectospasm | I I give up |
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| 07:14.59 | army | is there a way of just adding a symlink which will 'forward' me to a certain directory in bash? |
| 07:15.07 | IRChat | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:15.09 | IRChat | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 07:15.30 | army | e.g. cd ~/site would forward me to /var/www/site/public/ instead of me being trapped in ~/site like with a symlink ? |
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| 07:18.58 | ectospasm | army: ln -s /var/www/site/public ~/site |
| 07:19.44 | army | well that traps me in ~/site |
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| 07:19.45 | ectospasm | \W or \w in PS1 will show ~/site |
| 07:20.01 | army | so when i cd .. i'm in ~ |
| 07:20.07 | army | instead in /var/www/site |
| 07:20.11 | ectospasm | right, that's how it's supposed to work |
| 07:20.20 | army | that's alright |
| 07:20.35 | army | but i'm looking for a way to be forwarded to the directory instead |
| 07:21.00 | ectospasm | can't do a hard link on a directory, unfortunately |
| 07:21.11 | army | yeah, possible loop |
| 07:21.29 | mkillebrew | you could alias 'cd' to a bash script that tests for symlink, if true, readlink and cd to that |
| 07:21.32 | army | i guess i'll just make a shell script that only includes cd /var/www/site... |
| 07:22.06 | army | yeah mkillebrew something like that. i don't need it for production use, just for convenience |
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| 07:22.16 | army | thanks |
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| 07:25.13 | mkillebrew | army: oh, cd -P |
| 07:25.20 | mkillebrew | much easier to alias |
| 07:26.19 | mkillebrew | I think that's the first time I've ever looked at the 'cd' section of the man page... |
| 07:26.36 | army | cd -P |
| 07:26.38 | army | yeah! |
| 07:26.50 | army | thanks! |
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| 07:35.11 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 07:47.11 | scottj | what's the easiest way using ecryptfs to have my entire home dir encrypted, not just have a directory ~/Private? |
| 07:47.48 | guest1234 | says no to truecrypt |
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| 08:00.27 | J-roen | Hi. Is there an RSS feed providing news about all updates installed by apt-get update + upgrade? Thanks. |
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| 08:04.14 | sliddjur | Hello, I see someone (bots?) keep trying to logon to my ssh server. I disabled root logins. But how can I hammer an IP that keep failing to login? I googled for guides but I dont know what to look for |
| 08:04.48 | ectospasm | sliddjur: fail2ban may help with that |
| 08:05.05 | ectospasm | ...but I can't really remember off the top of my head |
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| 08:05.44 | ectospasm | sliddjur: you could also have SSH listen (or your port forward) on a nonstandard port (i.e., not port 22) |
| 08:05.46 | J-roen | Just found debian-stable-announce. Thanks anyway. Bye. |
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| 08:06.04 | ectospasm | that cuts down on a lot of the traffic |
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| 08:06.33 | sliddjur | ectospasm: Yeah, but they would probably scan for other ports and then just update my IP in some database :P |
| 08:06.46 | oufo | sliddjur, take a look at the denyhosts package |
| 08:07.03 | oufo | it's just what you're looking for |
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| 08:07.14 | ectospasm | sliddjur: scanning for other ports takes time... if you disable password logins completely you should be fine. |
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| 08:14.16 | runemaste | hello! does debian contain the mct_u232 module by default? |
| 08:14.53 | sliddjur | oufo: thanks seems to be what I am looking for indeed :) |
| 08:16.11 | peterrooney | sliddjur: since switching to a non-standard port for ssh 3+ years ago, my denyhosts log files have been empty. |
| 08:17.44 | peterrooney | sliddjur: denyhosts is similar to fail2ban |
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| 08:50.32 | alusion | What are some cool things I can do with debian |
| 08:50.53 | alusion | I guess I'll install compiz or something :I |
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| 08:52.37 | ectospasm | alusion: cool in what way? |
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| 08:55.59 | elena-IK | compiz, the epitome of coolness. wobbly windows, the epitome of usefulness. :P |
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| 09:01.36 | mwargh | no |
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| 09:16.25 | welker | Hi Guys, I have a problem shutting down my laptop. I run debian wheezy (up to date). If I do shutdown -h now. It shuts down but hangs at a black screen then. Any ideas where I might find more information what might cause this? |
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| 09:17.21 | nvz | welker: is it ancient? |
| 09:17.38 | texta | Hey, anyone have any ideas as to why only my devices _not_ specified in fstab show up in the nautilus side pane? |
| 09:17.47 | welker | No. its an lenov x200s. That worked with other linuxes |
| 09:18.00 | welker | s/lenov/lenovo/ |
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| 09:18.47 | dan408 | could be a kernel issue |
| 09:18.53 | dan408 | or acpi issue |
| 09:19.00 | dan408 | just a guess |
| 09:19.05 | texta | dan408: fix my stuff |
| 09:19.05 | texta | go |
| 09:19.26 | dan408 | texta: on my way right now |
| 09:19.34 | texta | Eggcellent. |
| 09:20.00 | welker | could be a lot of things. the problem is that I do not get any entries in the logs. it is dificult to debug a black scren |
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| 09:20.03 | welker | screen |
| 09:20.17 | dan408 | nothing in /var/log/messages or dmesg? |
| 09:20.39 | welker | checking again |
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| 09:27.02 | dan408 | welker: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.kernel/ta3UmzFjmhM |
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| 09:27.32 | welker | davi: I can not find anything in the logs. Last ting I see is shutting down ... |
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| 09:28.27 | dan408 | see link, also if you do init 0 as root does it shutdown or press ctrl+Alt+del does it reboot? |
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| 09:28.58 | mwargh | welker: it seems you'll have to enable kernel crash dumps |
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| 09:30.57 | mwargh | maybe it won't help though |
| 09:31.01 | welker | init 0 works!!! What is the difference? |
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| 09:31.07 | dan408 | you're root ;) |
| 09:31.24 | welker | I am running shutdown -h as root, too |
| 09:31.33 | welker | a user can not shutdown un my system |
| 09:31.34 | dan408 | that's a script |
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| 09:35.49 | dan408 | welker: try upgrading the BIOS |
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| 09:35.57 | dan408 | and of course updating the system |
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| 09:40.39 | niels2 | welker, also check if you have HALT=halt in /etc/default/halt instead of HALT=poweroff. that might cause it as well |
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| 09:44.48 | blink | Please help with Debian-wheezy-live-a2-amd64-xfce4-desktop.iso |
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| 09:46.07 | mwargh | blink: what help do need exactly? |
| 09:46.12 | steampunkey | I've noticed an interface called NFLog, and deduced a connection to libnetfilter-log. However the latter is not installed. Anyone knows what NFLog is/does/what uses it? |
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| 09:46.45 | blink | /live/filesystem.squashfs on wheezy-live.iso gives zlib uncompress error:failed to read block @0x2f3c3904 |
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| 09:47.10 | mwargh | blink: did you burn it? |
| 09:47.26 | mwargh | actually, it tells you everything you need to know. it can't read from the image |
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| 09:48.07 | blink | mwargh:No,mounted -oloop from disk. |
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| 09:48.57 | mwargh | what are you trying to do exactly? anyway, i would start with checking image checksum |
| 09:49.04 | mwargh | hmm |
| 09:49.09 | mwargh | maybe i'm wrong |
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| 09:49.23 | mwargh | but checking image checksum won't hurt anyway |
| 09:49.33 | blink | md5sum ha1sum sha256sums are corect |
| 09:50.04 | mwargh | what are you tying to do then? |
| 09:50.32 | blink | filesystem.squashfs cannot be loop mountes either. |
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| 09:50.53 | frikinz | what is the media type? |
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| 09:51.02 | blink | Also:failed to uid/gid table |
| 09:51.35 | blink | Excuse me mwargh;will be back soon; |
| 09:51.43 | blink | away 15 minutes |
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| 09:56.57 | steampunkey | I've noticed an interface called NFLog, and deduced a connection to libnetfilter-log. However the latter is not installed. Anyone knows what NFLog is/does/what uses it? |
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| 09:58.55 | mwargh | this? http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/NFLOG |
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| 10:16.06 | steampunkey | mwargh: and this nflog interface is enabled by default in debian? What is it that kernel logs? |
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| 10:17.48 | ectospasm | does anyone know how to get started with OpenVAS? I've installed it, the daemon is running, but I don't know how to connect to it and set up systems to scan |
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| 10:18.40 | mwargh | steampunkey: i guess if you have iptables installed |
| 10:19.03 | mwargh | cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) |grep NFLOG |
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| 10:19.27 | mwargh | my default config shows that it's compiled in module in debian by default |
| 10:19.46 | mwargh | so it is irrelevant if you have iptables or nt |
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| 10:20.33 | mwargh | ectospasm: state your task |
| 10:20.42 | mwargh | The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. |
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| 10:20.58 | steampunkey | mwargh: what does "m" stand for? |
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| 10:21.24 | ectospasm | mwargh: I want to scan my network for vulnerabilities using OpenVAS |
| 10:21.39 | ectospasm | ...but I can't find any documentation for doing it the Debian way |
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| 10:22.58 | Slugze | mwargh: love that sentence, really do |
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| 10:24.59 | mwargh | steampunkey: module |
| 10:25.39 | steampunkey | kthx |
| 10:25.55 | mwargh | Slugze: huh |
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| 10:26.23 | mwargh | i think it's worth repeating to many people here |
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| 10:27.33 | steampunkey | !xy |
| 10:27.34 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 10:30.25 | sneex | Why does Gnome have to log in? --> unknown tty7 :0 Tue Nov 27 21:36 still logged in ??? |
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| 10:34.34 | a111 | Is there any reason to not use user private groups? |
| 10:34.34 | steampunkey | heh. the second example on the wooledge wiki is very nice. |
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| 10:37.14 | ectospasm | OK, I think yeganesh didn't find openvas-client immediately. |
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| 10:41.05 | mwargh | huh, thanks steampunkey |
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| 10:43.17 | mwargh | ectospasm: you found what you wanted? |
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| 10:43.38 | ectospasm | mwargh: enough to get me to the next step |
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| 10:43.48 | ectospasm | we'll see if I can get it working |
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| 10:44.12 | mwargh | eh, okay. i needed to go out so i lost you a little |
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| 10:45.27 | woshty | can i have mount tell me what device if is mounting to what dir? |
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| 10:46.02 | sussudio | man mount |
| 10:46.02 | woshty | -if is mounted to .. |
| 10:46.28 | sussudio | mount /dev/woshtysface /balls |
| 10:47.00 | mwargh | lol |
| 10:47.45 | ectospasm | woshty: df will tell you that |
| 10:48.14 | woshty | ectospasm: i know, i was looking for a -v --debug or sth |
| 10:48.37 | ectospasm | mount would tell you too, with no options << woshty |
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| 10:50.24 | woshty | ectospasm: yeah, thx. so i ll do it in two steps :/ |
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| 10:53.29 | sneex | df -ht ext4 |
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| 10:59.20 | Eagleman | I am getting the following error when trying to install smbfs: http://pastebin.com/yD6VHdJM |
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| 11:00.13 | ectospasm | Eagleman: are you using lenny? |
| 11:00.15 | ectospasm | !lenny |
| 11:00.15 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 11:00.24 | Eagleman | Nice |
| 11:00.27 | Eagleman | old crap here |
| 11:01.07 | Eagleman | What now? |
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| 11:01.43 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
| 11:02.16 | PoWeRKiLL | Someone can help me in bonding two interface on 802.3ad mode |
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| 11:10.01 | sephii | is there a way, given a group name, to get its id (apart from parsing /etc/group)? |
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| 11:13.20 | ChrisH | Eagleman: Best solution update, second best ask dpkg about lenny sources.list there are archives out there... I still use them for one of my systems |
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| 11:14.39 | ectospasm | sephii: why is parsing /etc/group not allowed? That's the best way to do it (and what utilities like ls use) |
| 11:15.30 | muks | hi all; i am looking to build a debian derived distribution (for akira.org: a mobile OS based on gtk and hildon toolkit); while i can figure out individual packaging, can anyone refer me to any docs on how i may build a derived distribution (cross-compiled) from a stock debian x86_64 box? |
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| 11:16.17 | ChrisH | sephii: getent group ID|name |
| 11:16.18 | muks | i tried searching, but results are mainly to use existing debian packages to build live cds, CDs with specific sets of packages, and such |
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| 11:17.40 | sephii | ChrisH: great, thanks! |
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| 11:18.39 | woshty | sephii: you could use getent group $grpname but you would still have to extract the name from that string with cut -d: -f3 or somehting similar |
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| 11:20.39 | blazemore | Does anyone have a copy of Debian Etch on a fast server? (debian-40r9-i386-DVD-1.iso) - I can only find dead torrents, and a very slow FTP server in Japan |
| 11:20.56 | nkuttler | !tell blazemore about archive |
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| 11:22.17 | blazemore | yeah it's not on there nkuttler |
| 11:22.27 | blazemore | The iso-dvd folder only has MD5sums etc |
| 11:22.32 | Eagleman | how do i ask dpkg about lenny sources.list |
| 11:23.18 | mwargh | ? |
| 11:23.25 | mwargh | what do you mean? |
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| 11:24.25 | kavakava | !lenny sources.list |
| 11:24.25 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 11:24.29 | themill | dpkg: tell Eagleman about lenny sources.list |
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| 11:24.44 | themill | Eagleman: (but, as before, you should be upgrading to squeeze and fixing your broken php) |
| 11:25.01 | Eagleman | its not about php now |
| 11:25.03 | Eagleman | at all |
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| 11:25.07 | Eagleman | completly different server |
| 11:25.19 | Eagleman | completly different problem |
| 11:25.28 | themill | you seem good at having the same problem in different guises. |
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| 11:26.11 | Eagleman | lol you dont believe me? |
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| 11:26.56 | Eagleman | this is an old server where i want to mount a smbf share on, but since i cant download packages |
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| 11:30.15 | sephii | woshty: sure, but that's easier than having to parse the whole file |
| 11:31.21 | ChrisH | sephii,woshty and getent also uses all services mentioned in nsswitch.conf like NIS, LDAP |
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| 11:31.55 | themill | Eagleman: "old server" ... same problem again. |
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| 11:32.59 | Eagleman | I am not the one to blame |
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| 11:34.21 | themill | Eagleman: if this is indicative of the way things are maintained around your shop, make sure you don't end up being the one blamed when Bad Things™ end up happening. |
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| 11:37.15 | Eagleman | They cant blame me since i am an intern |
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| 11:42.23 | woshty | ChrisH: yepp, it is nicer. i did not realize you had already answered his question :) |
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| 11:44.03 | yonk | am I nuts or is wget really so stupid that it won't continue to download a list of URLs if the first few are already finished? (when run wget -c -i /urls.txt) |
| 11:44.49 | lokErik | b |
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| 11:45.46 | petn-randall | We're thinking about replicating a filesystem from one server to another to provide a fail-over. Does anyone have experience with this and can share it? |
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| 11:47.13 | lokErik | your the ones with the raid6 install and one resynk and a low-speed read disk? |
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| 11:50.28 | petn-randall | lokErik: If you mean me, nope :) |
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| 12:02.08 | frikinz | window new split |
| 12:02.09 | Shadur | At some point during install you're asked whether the hardware clock should be set to UTC or local time. However, for the life of me I can't figure out where to alter that setting afterwards. |
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| 12:04.03 | ectospasm | Shadur: on my system it's /etc/default/hwclock |
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| 12:04.18 | ectospasm | ymmv |
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| 12:13.36 | a111 | Can anyone think of anything where I can use the 'at' command? |
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| 12:14.08 | DotHack | a111: when you want to shedule a reboot? |
| 12:14.24 | lupine | grumbles at dpkg. given a package with two separate initscripts, how do I make the package start one initscript before the other ? |
| 12:14.26 | DotHack | a111: because of kernel upgrade? |
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| 12:14.38 | a111 | ah thanks :D doing some university work but cant think of examples to use lol |
| 12:14.54 | yonk | there are thousands ;) |
| 12:15.04 | lupine | hmm, maybe X-Start-After in the init-script is all I need |
| 12:15.10 | themill | lupine: that has nothing to do with dpkg, that's your lsb tags |
| 12:15.24 | lupine | yeah, I just came to the same conclusion via the manpage |
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| 12:16.56 | themill | dpkg: tell lupine about lsb tags |
| 12:17.12 | themill | lupine: the wiki has some good info too, plus the files dpkg cited |
| 12:17.17 | lupine | :) |
| 12:17.19 | lupine | ta |
| 12:17.42 | lupine | (I have a bunch of lsb-tags already, just missing the ones to do this particular thing) |
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| 12:26.50 | xeon123 | I'm using Terminator app as terminal. But I want to put vim keybindings in there. Is this possible? |
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| 12:37.55 | babilen | xeon123: Do you use BASH? If so try "set -o vi" |
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| 12:42.17 | ChrisH | or start a bash using: exec bash -o vi ... one of my often used commands on customer solaris system |
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| 12:58.32 | shtrb | for a strange reason an openvpn starts twice for me (I have it in /etc/if-up.d/ as a script) but with two diffrent users on the same config file (root and nobody as configured in the config script) |
| 12:58.39 | shtrb | any ideas what could couse that ? |
| 12:59.45 | wols | shtrb: /etc/init.d/openvpn ? |
| 12:59.47 | akurczyk | hello, what packages do i need to install on debian to have a remote x11 to my windows pc with xming and putty? i would want to install and user remotly whole gnome. is it possible? |
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| 13:00.06 | akurczyk | i have a clear debian with apache installed on vps |
| 13:00.08 | shtrb | wols, I removed it from /etc/rc*.d |
| 13:00.18 | ChrisH | shtrb: You are talking about OpenVPN acting as server? There it should run as nobody (or at least does for me). As client it runs as root |
| 13:00.24 | ksk | akurczyk: you need nothing but x on your "target" imho |
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| 13:00.50 | ksk | ssh of course and some application you want to run via X |
| 13:00.51 | akurczyk | ksk, only app that i want to run? like xterm? |
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| 13:01.05 | akurczyk | how about xauth? |
| 13:01.11 | shtrb | Chrish , as a client |
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| 13:01.36 | ksk | sounds useful, you can do this on your own anyways |
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| 13:02.35 | shtrb | Chrish, I have a single config file for client that has nobody as the use |
| 13:02.39 | shtrb | *user |
| 13:02.50 | shtrb | but even without that option it allways start two instances |
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| 13:05.20 | akurczyk | what is the name of this apt bot? debhelper? |
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| 13:07.31 | ectospasm | akurczyk: judd, I think |
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| 13:10.04 | mns | how do I get my debian/testing based laptop to work from behind a proxy ? things like aptitude, ping, ssh, browser, emacs/tramp, etc etc ? I do not use gnome/kde/xfce/lxde etc. |
| 13:10.44 | desu | So I'm new to debian coming from ubuntu, can anyone explain why I can't just install packages with sudo? |
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| 13:11.00 | wols | mns: HTTP_PROXY environment variable. |
| 13:11.04 | sephii | desu: what's the error? |
| 13:11.06 | MrMaDSeN | desu: use root only |
| 13:11.12 | MrMaDSeN | to install |
| 13:11.15 | wols | and apt and browsers both have separate proxy settings too |
| 13:11.22 | sephii | mns: note that you won't be able to ping through an http proxy |
| 13:11.23 | wols | ping will never work from behind a proxy |
| 13:11.50 | wols | desu: you can. what makes you say you can't? you can easily set up debian to use sudo too. however you always have a root account too |
| 13:12.06 | wols | desu: the debian installer asks about it if you want to use sudo IIRC |
| 13:12.21 | desu | sephii there is not error, I just wanted to know why in Ubuntu I could use "sudo apt-get/aptitude ..." but in debian I HAVE to be root |
| 13:12.37 | sephii | desu: what makes you think you have to be root? |
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| 13:12.47 | desu | Never works when I sudo. |
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| 13:12.57 | sephii | desu: define "never works" |
| 13:13.19 | desu | Give me a sec |
| 13:13.26 | wols | desu: "As of DebianSqueeze, if you ask for the Desktop task during the installation, that pulls in sudo with a default configuration that automatically grants sudo-ing rights to any member of the sudo group" |
| 13:13.46 | wols | desu: what groups does your user belong to (run "groups") |
| 13:14.01 | desu | And then it turns out I'm a liar...works perfectly fine now. |
| 13:14.10 | desu | I am confused. |
| 13:14.19 | sephii | problem solved, you're welcome |
| 13:14.28 | desu | hahaha |
| 13:15.00 | desu | a "Thank You" is in order I suppose...I though now I wonder why it wasn't working before. |
| 13:16.23 | mns | wols, sephii: thanks. I'll see how far that gets me. |
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| 13:17.12 | akurczyk | i have installed xterm and xauth on my vps with clear debian. i have started xming and putty with enabled x11 forwarding. whit display empty display value and with localhost:0.0. wvery time i am getting this: http://pastebin.com/bsWKjcCN the $DISPLAY is empty. could u login to my server (i will create a temportry user account) and chech is it working on my server? |
| 13:17.38 | akurczyk | with* every* |
| 13:17.55 | wols | akurczyk: how have you configured putty? |
| 13:18.15 | akurczyk | wols yes, i have enabled x11 forwarding |
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| 13:19.47 | akurczyk | wols http://pastebin.com/6U56kc46 the sshd is also configured to support x11 forwarding |
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| 13:22.49 | ws | I installed debian on a notebook with 4gb of ram, I followed the default partitioning scheme (which led to ~4gb swap) |
| 13:23.01 | ws | I plan to upgrade memory to 8gb, should i resize swap too? |
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| 13:31.05 | wols | ws: no need. only if you use your swapspace for hibernation. 4GB swap is at least 3GB wasted swap. even when you use 4GB |
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| 13:32.56 | ws | wols: can I hibernate to file? |
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| 13:33.48 | ChrisH | akurczyk: send my a user/pw/login data as privatte message |
| 13:35.39 | ws | wols: sorry, I found it |
| 13:36.41 | wols | ws: you can use a file for swap too |
| 13:37.08 | Justin | pretty sure you can't hibernate to a swap file though |
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| 13:40.32 | DarkUranium | hey |
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| 13:41.53 | DarkUranium | question -- I heard that the realtime kernel is a rather good idea for desktop use; does anyone have any experience with that thing? |
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| 13:53.57 | PoWeRKiLL | I setup everything using a tutorial but I see traffic only on eth1 and nothing on eth0 |
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| 14:04.41 | ChrisH | akurczyk's ssh/X issue needs some additional help. ssh -vvX shows ssh does run 'debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth list :0 2>/dev/null', if you manually run this command it claims, 'xauth: creating new authority file /home/Chris/.Xauthority' but no file gets created. strace shows only create and unlink |
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| 14:06.23 | dcpc007 | i would make something simple but in fact seels hard : move file or a folder in a same FS with preservation of right/owner and keep full path (for archiving) |
| 14:06.36 | formorer | ChrisH: why should list generate a file? |
| 14:06.37 | dcpc007 | but mv has no fullpath option |
| 14:07.03 | dcpc007 | and don't want to cp or rsync huge files on the same FS |
| 14:07.27 | ChrisH | formorer: because it tells to do: xauth: creating new authority file /home/Chris/.Xauthority |
| 14:07.55 | formorer | and afterwards it ends without having an entry and so the file gets deleted |
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| 14:08.34 | ChrisH | formorer: ACK. How to create such an entry? |
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| 14:10.33 | formorer | you usually don't have to do this by hand |
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| 14:11.55 | ChrisH | formorer: again ACK. but here I logged on for the first time into a new user account and ssh -X does not work.... and I do not understand why |
| 14:12.33 | formorer | ChrisH: you can post a ssh -X -vvv to a pastebin |
| 14:12.40 | formorer | maybe I am able to see the problem |
| 14:12.47 | dcpc007 | any idea about move file with full path ? |
| 14:12.51 | zib | win 25 |
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| 14:14.23 | ChrisH | formorer: I will post it and I just created a new user on one of my boxes and there xauth does create a new file on xauth list |
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| 14:16.59 | ChrisH | formorer: cancel the statement on xauth does create a new file on xauth list |
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| 14:21.01 | ChrisH | formorer: http://paste.debian.net/213017/ sorry for the newlines, taken from script |
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| 14:23.09 | akurczyk | ChrisH, formorer: so if this x11 forwarding isn't workign, can i somehow emulate display on this vps, and then start some vnc? it's openvz so it doesn't have a display. |
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| 14:47.30 | blink | Please help on debian-wheezy-live-a2-amd64-xfce4-desktop.iso:filesystem.squashfs cannot be mounted or usquashed |
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| 14:49.07 | cdunklau | So I installed 6.0.6, but realized that I should have installed testing. Can i just update my sources.lst and dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:56.44 | hasdf | is it possible to search for a list of keywords with grep? (or alternative way) |
| 14:57.10 | Justin | hasdf: fgrep is the fastest way |
| 14:57.19 | AimHere | grep -e "(foo|bar|baz)" <whatever> might work |
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| 14:57.57 | hasdf | AimHere, i need something where "(foo|bar|baz)" is "keywords.txt". will look into fgrep |
| 14:58.08 | AimHere | There's also sed |
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| 14:58.32 | Justin | no. not sed. fgrep. |
| 14:58.32 | touki | Hi |
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| 15:00.50 | stew | fgrep perhaps with -f |
| 15:00.53 | hasdf | ah... grep --help, would have helped. thanks |
| 15:01.13 | AimHere | wouldn't grep -f be fgrep? |
| 15:01.44 | cdunklau | AimHere: grep -F |
| 15:01.44 | stew | no that's grep -F |
| 15:01.44 | hasdf | "-f, --file=FILE obtain PATTERN from FILE" same as fgrep -f |
| 15:02.07 | cdunklau | egrep -> grep -E, pgrep -> grep -P, etc |
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| 15:04.20 | touki | Question, I gave 10 giga to my / partition and the rest to /home, it appears that I have nearly used all the 10 giga. How should I do ? Here is the "fdisk -l" output http://paste.debian.net/213031/ |
| 15:04.54 | Justin | touki: you need to find out how you managed to fill up / |
| 15:04.58 | Justin | 10g is more than enough for / |
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| 15:05.21 | Justin | touki: du -acx / |egrep "^[0-9]{4}"|sort -n will show you how you filled it up |
| 15:05.23 | touki | That's what I thought |
| 15:05.43 | touki | Justin: /usr is 5.2 giga |
| 15:06.06 | touki | and /var 1.2 |
| 15:06.31 | sacredchao | I created a new minimal Debian install in a VM, but when I run aptitude after logging in, aptitude doesn't fill the entire terminal space (only the top 1/4th or so) and is bordered by a bunch of invereted question mark characters in diamond shapes... |
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| 15:06.41 | ws | wols, Justin: sorry, I forgot to thank you. Thank you. :-) |
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| 15:07.35 | cdunklau | touki: du -h --max-depth=1 / |
| 15:08.08 | sacredchao | Is there a package I am missing to fix this display of aptitude? |
| 15:08.13 | Justin | cdunklau: no. the command I gave him will report on the largest directories. |
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| 15:08.25 | ws | sacredchao: what's your TERM? |
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| 15:08.30 | cdunklau | Justin: oops, didn't see that, sorry |
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| 15:08.51 | ws | sacredchao: i.e. "echo $TERM" in shell |
| 15:09.33 | ws | sacredchao: I'd also see "stty -a" -- it should tell you the number of rows and columns of your terminal |
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| 15:11.31 | ws | sacredchao: hmm... aptitude uses 'ncurses' library |
| 15:11.38 | ws | sacredchao: you may need /usr/share/tabset |
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| 15:11.54 | ws | sacredchao: and /usr/share/terminfo |
| 15:12.15 | nkuttler | meh. i have a zombie that's eating 100% of my CPU and the parent PID is 1. anything I can do besides rebooting? |
| 15:12.44 | touki | doing it guys, 2 sec |
| 15:12.49 | Justin | nkuttler: zombie processes aren't running... |
| 15:13.09 | nkuttler | Justin: that's bizarre then, why would htop report 100% cpu? |
| 15:13.22 | Justin | got me :) |
| 15:13.27 | ws | nkuttler: http://superuser.com/questions/388565/zombie-process-using-100-cpu |
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| 15:14.00 | ws | nkuttler: 'kill -SIGCHLD 1' sounds a bit scary, but I'd try it.. just doing 'sync' first :-) |
| 15:14.02 | touki | cdunklau: http://paste.debian.net/213035/ |
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| 15:14.12 | touki | Justin: http://paste.debian.net/213036/ |
| 15:14.25 | ws | nkuttler: I don't know the workings of init at all though |
| 15:14.52 | cdunklau | touki: selinux? sure this is debian? :) |
| 15:14.55 | nkuttler | anyway, this is just a workstation, let's reboot |
| 15:15.00 | Justin | touki: 1062660/var/lib/mysql/MODUS2009_V12b_2 |
| 15:15.21 | touki | Yep |
| 15:15.28 | ws | sacredchao: please keep in mind these are just uninformed guesses, I'm a newbie |
| 15:15.40 | touki | Justin: that's a DB, by this listing I was thinking of it. |
| 15:16.15 | touki | cdunklau: yes, squeeze. |
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| 15:16.26 | nkuttler | hm, interesting.. now it's generating IO like crazy |
| 15:16.41 | ws | nkuttler: do you have lsof? |
| 15:16.50 | Justin | touki: apt-get clean will free up a few hundreg megs of cached .deb files |
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| 15:17.07 | cdunklau | touki: are you using that DB for production stuff? |
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| 15:17.33 | Justin | touki: you can easily move the /var/lib/mysql to /home and symlink it back to /var/lib |
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| 15:17.52 | touki | cdunklau: that's a big project of statistic simulation |
| 15:18.02 | touki | Justin: Ok ! good ! |
| 15:18.05 | cdunklau | touki: this is one of the reasons /var should be on it's own partition. but the symlink from home would work |
| 15:18.22 | diverdude | Which one of these do i need? amd64 armel kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsdamd64 i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc s390 source multi-arch i have a 64 bit server? |
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| 15:18.41 | cdunklau | diverdude: probably amd64. what CPU does it have |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | what's your CPU model? |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | diverdude: they also have descriptions on the ports page |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | !ports |
| 15:19.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 15:19.05 | diverdude | cdunklau, hmm im not sure ...its a hp proliant microserver |
| 15:19.06 | abrotman | eh, the first URL |
| 15:19.08 | ws | diverdude: if you have a 64-bit processor, something that ends with a '64'. if you love UNIX, pick 'kfreebsdamd64'.. if you merely hate windows, pick 'amd64' |
| 15:19.19 | touki | cdunklau: Ok, so you're suggesting me to divide my home partition and to give one to /var ? |
| 15:19.21 | abrotman | diverdude: you likely want amd64 |
| 15:19.23 | cdunklau | diverdude: almost certainly amd64 |
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| 15:20.03 | cdunklau | touki: eh, probably wait on that until you redo the box with proper partitioning. for now you can just symlink the db |
| 15:20.29 | diverdude | its a Dual Core 1.3 GHz AMD Athlon II |
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| 15:20.34 | cdunklau | diverdude: amd64, then |
| 15:20.40 | touki | cdunklau: ok |
| 15:20.45 | jhutchins_wk | touki: If you're going to rebuild the drive, give it a single partition + swap, that way this kind of thing won't happen |
| 15:20.58 | cdunklau | jhutchins_wk: hmmm |
| 15:21.16 | cdunklau | the whole monolithic filesystem thing bugs the crap out of me |
| 15:21.39 | jhutchins_wk | cdunklau: Partitioning it is a holdover from back when it took multiple drives to build a system. |
| 15:22.03 | cdunklau | jhutchins_wk: i still like having isolated filesystems, even if they are on the same disk |
| 15:22.15 | touki | I thought it was more clean to partition. |
| 15:22.18 | diverdude | cdunklau, hmmm so which one of these is correct? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 15:22.50 | jhutchins_wk | cdunklau: That's fine if you KNOW exactly where space will be needed, but for a multi-use system or an experimental one it guarantees that you will end up out of space when there's plenty of space on another partition. |
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| 15:23.28 | cdunklau | diverdude: that all depends on what you want |
| 15:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | touki: Clearly there's more than one viewpoint, but unless you can name a specific reason you should partition, just doing it because others do is not a good idea. |
| 15:23.37 | cdunklau | diverdude: and i don't even know what jigdo is |
| 15:23.40 | diverdude | cdunklau, i want debian sqeeze :) |
| 15:23.55 | diverdude | cdunklau, i found that link on the debian hp |
| 15:23.56 | abrotman | diverdude: a) you probably don't want jigdo b) you should be able to do this with the netinst ISO |
| 15:23.59 | diverdude | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 15:24.04 | cdunklau | diverdude: i normally run installs from netinst |
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| 15:24.09 | diverdude | ah ok |
| 15:24.28 | diverdude | i need active internet connectin for that right? |
| 15:24.32 | cdunklau | jhutchins_wk: very true |
| 15:24.36 | cdunklau | diverdude: yes. |
| 15:24.36 | f8l | diverdude: Yes. |
| 15:24.38 | pigeons | hey where do i loog for what is halting my system when temp is high? |
| 15:24.39 | abrotman | diverdude: sure, your wired NIC should work |
| 15:24.45 | pigeons | *look |
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| 15:24.55 | diverdude | great |
| 15:25.05 | ws | I struggled myself while partitioning, then decided to use a single partition (+swap) |
| 15:25.07 | ws | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs03.html.en |
| 15:25.24 | diverdude | soo does it come with raid5 software supprt? (mdadm) so i can install that during installation? |
| 15:25.43 | somiaj | pigeons: do you have lm-sensors or anything installed that is monintoring your sensors. If not it is probabaly your mobo shuting down your system. |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | diverdude: yes .. please read the installation manual before you begin |
| 15:25.58 | ws | but this page gives a few points.. |
| 15:25.59 | abrotman | or at least skim it |
| 15:26.08 | ws | s/points/reasons/ |
| 15:26.11 | abrotman | !tell diverdude about ig |
| 15:26.19 | cdunklau | So I installed 6.0.6, but realized that I should have installed testing. Can i just update my sources.lst and dist-upgrade? |
| 15:26.47 | ws | cdunklau: yes. |
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| 15:26.51 | plug918 | hello, i am running debian squeez, after install php-pear, using apt-get install php-pear, i got this error 'Could not open input file: /usr/local/lib/php/pearcmd.php', anyone has idea? |
| 15:26.57 | pigeons | somiaj: thanks lm-sensors not installed so i'll see if there is anything in the machine's bios config |
| 15:27.04 | jhutchins_wk | tell diverdude about ig |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | plug918: are you using the dotdeb packages? |
| 15:27.14 | ws | cdunklau: I'm not really sure, but I think at this moment it's the preferred way.. at least I couldn't install wheeze from a usb stick. |
| 15:27.15 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: already did that ... |
| 15:27.29 | queso | What are my options, or what is a good option, for enabling automatic updates for debian testing/wheezy? It would be nice if updates were logged or emailed or something. |
| 15:27.29 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: You'll want to read that, installing to raid, especially booting to raid is a bit more complex than a simple drive. |
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| 15:27.50 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: rsy, missed it. |
| 15:28.05 | plug918 | : |
| 15:28.05 | plug918 | abrotman: how do i find out? |
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| 15:28.35 | abrotman | plug918: /etc/apt/sources.list is a good start |
| 15:28.54 | somiaj | pigeons: most mobos have a built in system to shut themselves off when they get to hot. |
| 15:29.02 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, are there riscs of destroying the diks? |
| 15:29.03 | diverdude | disks |
| 15:29.24 | cdunklau | diverdude: um... are you trying to recover data? |
| 15:29.40 | diverdude | cdunklau, no...brand new install :) |
| 15:29.49 | plug918 | abrotman: here is my sourcelist, let me know if you can spot anything wrong: http://pastebin.com/ER1iZSWd |
| 15:29.57 | cdunklau | diverdude: and what do you mean "destroying the disks"? |
| 15:30.21 | abrotman | plug918: did you get your php5-pear from zend repos? |
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| 15:30.35 | diverdude | cdunklau, like if i can accidently write some stuff to the disks which makes them unusable so i can throw them in the bin |
| 15:30.45 | ws | btw., when will wheezy be considered stable... when the number of release-critical bugs go to 0 (or below e.g. 20)? |
| 15:30.49 | cdunklau | diverdude: ... that would take some doing. |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | plug918: apt-cache policy php-pear |
| 15:31.02 | abrotman | ws: the former |
| 15:31.04 | cdunklau | diverdude: i don't even know if that's possible |
| 15:31.15 | ws | abrotman: I'd think so, with the exception of 2009 |
| 15:31.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 15:31.23 | ws | abrotman: on this graph: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 15:31.46 | plug918 | abrotman: nope, it is from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages |
| 15:31.46 | ws | abrotman: the green line doesn't touch OX axis for the '09 release |
| 15:31.49 | abrotman | ws: i don't recall how they got around that .. i believe the fixes were in flight |
| 15:31.55 | touki | other detail, I can't see my trash in nautilus "operation not supported", do someone has an idea ? |
| 15:31.59 | ws | abrotman: I see |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | plug918: doesn't seem like it should do that |
| 15:32.16 | diverdude | cdunklau, hahaha nice |
| 15:32.24 | ws | heck, by linear approximation I'd guesstimate it'll be stable in 2014 :-/ |
| 15:32.27 | plug918 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/imwYuhd0 |
| 15:32.37 | ws | or rather, piecewise-linear-approximation |
| 15:32.44 | cdunklau | ws: so i would do something like deb http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 15:32.50 | cdunklau | ws: that seems too easy :D |
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| 15:33.50 | ws | well, looking at this graph, there are less bugs in wheezy than in squeeze ;-) |
| 15:34.01 | ws | (i.e., the green line ends lower than the blue one) |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | plug918: use apt-file, see if that file shold exist anywhere |
| 15:35.37 | plug918 | abrotman: is not a valid command |
| 15:35.47 | plug918 | abrotman: apt-file is not a valid command |
| 15:36.06 | SiDz | install it |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | install it ... |
| 15:36.16 | abrotman | !tell plug918 about apt-file |
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| 15:36.54 | stew | ws: its common for stable to have more bugs than testing, because many bugs which are policy bugs are discovered after the release which aren't worth fixing |
| 15:37.00 | cdunklau | ok here goes nothing, ws |
| 15:37.06 | cdunklau | crosses fingers |
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| 15:37.42 | stew | ws: for example, if we discover that a package fails to build when you build it twice in a row in the same directory, that is a violation of policy, but isn't worh forcing people to upgrade their installed binary packages for |
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| 15:38.17 | ws | stew: I see.. thanks |
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| 15:39.35 | noaresare | it seems tzdata 2012g-0squeeze1 has disappeared from security.debian.org |
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| 15:40.46 | plug918 | abrotman: found it |
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| 15:41.09 | plug918 | abrotman: it was under php-pear: /usr/share/php/pearcmd.php |
| 15:41.35 | plug918 | abrotman: but when i run: pear, the error report on /usr/local/lib/php/pearcmd.php |
| 15:42.09 | plug918 | abrotman: wondering should i just ln -s to that location? |
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| 15:46.07 | diverdude | cdunklau, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ says nothing about raid |
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| 15:48.03 | cdunklau | diverdude: are you sure you even want software raid? |
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| 15:48.14 | diverdude | cdunklau, 100% |
| 15:48.44 | cdunklau | diverdude: well i've never done it, but there's dozens of howtos on it |
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| 15:57.38 | kdub | hello all, trying to get pbuilder to have an OTHERMIRROR that needs https transport... how can I get the pbuilder environment to install apt-transport-https by default? |
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| 16:00.08 | rgr | Just a repeat of a comment I made a few days ago : kudos to the Debian team. Wheezy is absolutely fantastic and a huge improvement on Squeeze IMO. Everything just works from the installer bar the usual non free stuff which was a breeze to add later. Installed flawlessly on a thinkpad x121e, an asus 1015pem and my older desktop. The xmonad integration is a lot better too. All that combined with the absolutely unreal speed increase from |
| 16:00.08 | rgr | the use of an ssd on the thinkpad makes a *really* powerful little mobile worksation! The only issue I had was a subtle change to htaccess processing by apache but soon solved that. Great stuff! Oh and I installed all in 64 bit too. Brilliant. |
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| 16:02.49 | Vinz | Hello |
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| 16:03.31 | bzhtux | hi guys |
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| 16:04.29 | cdunklau | rgr: i hope i'll have as much luck with upgrading to wheezy as you had installing it :) |
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| 16:06.14 | rgr | upgrade was a total screw up and led me to reinstalling. Fortunately I had all business related data already softlinked and dropbox'd so wasnt too hard to add after a clean install (ditto for all home files like .bashrc etc). That said the upgrade was probably hampered by a form of bit rot caused by me pinning in stuff from experimental and testing into squeeze. I like the EFI install too. |
| 16:07.34 | Vinz | I'm trying to make a kernel package with make-kpkg, everything is working fine, but when I install the kernel there is a lot of errors like : FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.2.34/modules.dep |
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| 16:08.00 | cdunklau | rgr: hopefully i won't have that issue. i just installed squeeze on this machine monday, and haven't tweaked much |
| 16:08.04 | Vinz | there's no module in my kernel, everything is built-in |
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| 16:08.44 | rgr | then you should be fine. I had old crap around from dbus plugin scripts too. Startup was a bit "noisy" shall we say. Clean as a whistle now. |
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| 16:08.58 | Vinz | Is there a way to ignore these errors ? |
| 16:09.02 | thereisnospoon | if i want sane/shared uid's and auth for nfs mounts, what do i need to setup? kerberos? something extra as well? just need to know what im setting up and then i can work the rest out from google |
| 16:09.05 | cdunklau | rgr: do you development on your machine? |
| 16:09.09 | rgr | yes. |
| 16:09.13 | cdunklau | rgr: what language? |
| 16:09.17 | cdunklau | (s) |
| 16:09.18 | Vinz | or tell make-kpgk not to look for modules ? |
| 16:09.29 | cdunklau | (please say java) |
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| 16:09.58 | rgr | c, jsavascript, php and then the usual "backroom" bash scripts for things like syncing web server with local git repos and bcking up and restoring live/local myql databases. |
| 16:10.15 | cdunklau | rats. |
| 16:10.15 | rgr | why? |
| 16:10.25 | cdunklau | i'm just starting with java development, and was hoping for some pointers |
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| 16:10.50 | rgr | there are a trillion guides on the web. I personally detest eclipse but you wont go far wrong with it. |
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| 16:11.23 | cdunklau | rgr: i'm not even to the stage of using an IDE. trying to learn the language first, then i'll learn one |
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| 16:11.36 | thereisnospoon | cdunklau, dont learn java without using an ide |
| 16:11.42 | thereisnospoon | its a monster and you need the ide to help |
| 16:12.00 | cdunklau | thereisnospoon: no, i want to learn about the internal crap like classpath, etc first |
| 16:12.15 | thereisnospoon | lol in that case, good luck and prepare to lose your mind |
| 16:12.18 | cdunklau | thereisnospoon: I'm coming from python |
| 16:12.20 | rgr | thats silly. Use the IDE from the start : it has a lot of built in helpers such as context code completion, context help, real time debugging etc. Dont listen to the hard core telling you otherwise. You can still leanr about classpath etc in an IDE - its all there in the settings for project. |
| 16:12.24 | cdunklau | thereisnospoon: i've already lost my mind :) |
| 16:12.35 | thereisnospoon | if you're coming from python, check out scala |
| 16:13.32 | cdunklau | thereisnospoon: i _need_ to learn java. i need a popular, portable language because i'll be using it to produce examples of integration with my company's APIs |
| 16:13.42 | cdunklau | believe me, i wish i didn't have to :) |
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| 16:14.06 | thereisnospoon | cdunklau, good luck lol |
| 16:14.08 | rgr | APIs for what language? |
| 16:14.14 | cdunklau | rgr: it's a REST api |
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| 16:14.27 | rgr | REST isnt a language. YOu mean using REST via JAVA? |
| 16:14.39 | thereisnospoon | cdunklau, https://github.com/AsyncHttpClient/async-http-client will probably be your friend |
| 16:15.04 | cdunklau | rgr: we expose APIs via the web, in a RESTful manner |
| 16:15.25 | rgr | Also isnt REST pretty much yesterday news? JQuery has the best ajax bindings for async web comms ;) |
| 16:15.38 | cdunklau | rgr: it's intended to be language-agnostic |
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| 16:16.13 | rgr | REST is yes, but I mean JS and Java certainly already have classes etc to wrap it all for you that should make it trivial : as in JQuery's ajax calls. |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | plug918:working? |
| 16:16.54 | cdunklau | rgr: sure, there will be a web application example. but also a gui and a touchscreen (probably android) |
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| 16:18.12 | cdunklau | i'm considering using python still for the webapp example |
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| 16:19.05 | rgr | thats the beauty of jquery - generally "just works". Many desktop apps can and do work through a browser based UI now : in 90% or more cases it then works seemlessly on pads, smartphones etc too. Nothing has impressed me more than JQuery in recent years. |
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| 16:19.49 | rgr | python isnt a language Id choose if it has to be maintained by lots of people. Python is clever and nice but ... |
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| 16:21.23 | raul_ | hallo everyone! big issues, why the bridge |
| 16:21.23 | ws | I don't understand this bullshit with web-based apps |
| 16:21.28 | rgr | The only slight struggle have is my self insistence in using emacs for all coding. The benefits way cover the limitations but it can be a pain setting up for javascript etc and is totally useless for Java. |
| 16:21.34 | raul_ | hallo everyone! big issues! why bridge ip, is not assigned from /etc/network/interfaces if interface is an alias eth0:1 and bridge is xenb0:1? Am i wrong in something? |
| 16:21.47 | rgr | ws: what bullshit? |
| 16:21.51 | ws | compare e.g. usenet readers to phpbb or other web-based forums |
| 16:21.59 | ws | you can't configure it on your own |
| 16:22.03 | raul_ | http://pastebin.com/csh70YYF |
| 16:22.10 | ws | rgr: this push for web-based-bullcrap |
| 16:22.12 | rgr | huh? That doesnt make any sense in relation to "web based apps". |
| 16:22.19 | antivirys | heyy |
| 16:22.23 | raul_ | xenbr0 gets ip, xenbr0:1 does not |
| 16:22.26 | rgr | web based apps can be and are totally configurable too. |
| 16:22.29 | antivirys | help me |
| 16:22.30 | antivirys | please |
| 16:22.32 | antivirys | I want to make a video of a program Debian? |
| 16:23.03 | ws | rgr: browsers were never meant to run applications, but to surf internet. |
| 16:23.07 | rgr | antivirys: and whats the problem. |
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| 16:23.18 | antivirys | I want to make a video of Linux |
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| 16:23.26 | rgr | ws: ok, so you dont know anything about jquery, html 5, css 3 etc? Fair enough. Things have changed. |
| 16:23.42 | rgr | antivirys: and whats stopping you? |
| 16:24.07 | antivirys | I do not know the program? |
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| 16:24.15 | ws | rgr: yup, that's not my piece of cake for sure. |
| 16:24.42 | cdunklau | rgr: web applications are easy on IT, as well as on the users. you don't have to install crap, but you can fake the "launch a program" thing with a desktop shortcut |
| 16:24.58 | rgr | yes I know. |
| 16:25.00 | cdunklau | er |
| 16:25.01 | thereisnospoon | ws, platform and device agnostic code, whats not to love? |
| 16:25.03 | cdunklau | ws ^ |
| 16:25.03 | rgr | antivirys: http://linuxappfinder.com/multimedia/videocapture |
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| 16:25.23 | cdunklau | thereisnospoon: that too |
| 16:25.27 | ws | thereisnospoon: the majority of applications that I use couldn't be ported to webapps or I'd hate them. |
| 16:25.34 | rgr | And, being a jquery fanboi, cross platform apps can and do "just work" unless crap like swing etc with Java. |
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| 16:25.44 | diverdude | Is it possible to setup raid 5 during installation of debian? |
| 16:25.45 | ws | thereisnospoon: I type in latex... and don't even get me started with web-based editors. they all suck. |
| 16:26.03 | thereisnospoon | ws, you'd be surprised how good a html5 app can be these days if done by someone that knows what they are doing |
| 16:26.05 | rgr | ws: I doubt that. But maybe you're right in which case "dont". But most can. Have you not seen google docs for one example? |
| 16:26.10 | antivirys | rgr: |
| 16:26.14 | rgr | thereisnospoon: +1. |
| 16:26.16 | antivirys | thanky bro |
| 16:26.16 | antivirys | ;) |
| 16:26.20 | antivirys | i'm ready |
| 16:26.25 | ws | rgr: yes, I use them occasionally... but I don't like them. |
| 16:26.28 | antivirys | i show the best OS |
| 16:26.29 | antivirys | :D |
| 16:26.43 | ws | rgr: I very much prefer vim for editing. |
| 16:26.48 | cdunklau | oh hell. |
| 16:26.55 | ws | rgr: I absolutely hate google docs for text documents. |
| 16:26.57 | rgr | ws: why dont you like them? Be specific. They're badly implemented most probably. A lot of desktop apps (non web ui) are also crap. |
| 16:27.08 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 16:27.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 16:27.20 | ws | rgr: the "synchronization" was broken the last time I tried to use it along with a friend of mine. |
| 16:27.27 | cdunklau | ws: agree there. it's crap. but it's awesome for quick collaboration stuff like outlines, etc |
| 16:27.30 | ws | rgr: importing/exporting is a pita |
| 16:27.33 | rgr | ws: erm, I dont see how your editor fo choice for programming has anything to do with general user end apps done in a modern day web environment. |
| 16:27.48 | ws | rgr: google calc is funny.. but still -- I prefer modern statistical toolkits 100000 times more than that. |
| 16:27.53 | cdunklau | crap. did a dist-upgrade from squeeze and got this: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 16:28.00 | rgr | I use emacs but dont expect to use it as a "web app". |
| 16:28.05 | ws | rgr: it's not an editor for programming, just an editor. |
| 16:28.33 | nkuttler | cdunklau: and did you see the man page? also /msg dpkg immediate configuration |
| 16:28.34 | rgr | lol! I spoked too soon! Debugger entered--Lisp error: (dbus-error "Exceeded maximum number of notifications") |
| 16:28.52 | ws | rgr: besides, latex beats word/googledocs/godknowswhat |
| 16:29.10 | rgr | ws: I know what vim is. But my point is thats a very specialised ancient hard core app not really suitable for a web front end. A lot of other apps are. |
| 16:29.16 | cdunklau | nkuttler: thanks, i'll start there |
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| 16:29.20 | nkuttler | vim sucks |
| 16:29.43 | rgr | ws: oh for goodness sake. Youre being leet. I use laTeX but would recommend it for most. |
| 16:29.45 | ws | rgr: you asked me if I liked google docs, so I'm just telling you why I don't like them, that's all. |
| 16:29.51 | rgr | would *not* |
| 16:30.21 | ws | rgr: ahh, so all of a sudden all apps should be designed to suit "most" people? |
| 16:30.28 | rgr | ws: and your reaons were nothing to do with the front end. But rather your desire to use more archaic, powerful, command line type packages it seems. |
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| 16:30.42 | frikinz | nkuttler: failed attempt |
| 16:30.57 | ws | rgr: with front ent aswell.. just type ^W by accident, or something similar. |
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| 16:31.02 | nkuttler | frikinz: doesn't really matter though. channel gets flooded with off topic nonsense anyway |
| 16:31.05 | rgr | ws: what? oure making no sense. I never said "all apps should be designed to suit most people": trolling? |
| 16:31.10 | ws | rgr: or with your wifi going offline, whatever. |
| 16:31.17 | ws | rgr: you said this: |
| 16:31.26 | frikinz | nkuttler: I had the feeling you wanted to start an editor war? :) |
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| 16:31.38 | cdunklau | nkuttler: hmmm... i have a feeling i shouldn't dpkg -r default-jre... |
| 16:31.39 | rgr | I already mentioned emacs .. oops! ;) |
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| 16:31.48 | ws | rgr: "<rgr> ws: oh for goodness sake. Youre being leet. I use laTeX but would *not* (sic!) recommend it for most." |
| 16:32.02 | nkuttler | frikinz: nah, i've seen enough trolls to know how to do such a thing properly :) |
| 16:32.11 | ws | rgr: we're not talking about most people, you asked about me in the first place, so this is not an argument. |
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| 16:32.24 | ws | rgr: you asked me whether I like google docs, not whether most people like it. |
| 16:32.26 | nkuttler | ws: rgr: you two should get a room |
| 16:32.40 | raul_ | dont worry, solved. For some CRAZY reason, debian wont show ip in ifconfig, still ip is up |
| 16:32.49 | ws | nkuttler: yeah, sorry |
| 16:32.56 | nkuttler | raul_: it certainly should. ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:33.06 | rgr | Now that is war mongering.... end of topic for me anyway after his last silly accusation about me wanting all apps to be dumbed down for all people. especially after me saying I do all development in emacs. |
| 16:33.25 | ws | rgr: ok, chill. :-) |
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| 16:34.59 | diverdude | Is it possible to setup raid 5 during installation of debian? |
| 16:35.15 | damacus | yah |
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| 16:35.41 | diverdude | damacus, but should i choose manual in the partition disks menu then or what? |
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| 16:36.40 | raul_ | nkuttler: idem i just get inet6 adr: after mac |
| 16:37.42 | cdunklau | oh hell i think i just broke the hell out of my system |
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| 16:38.27 | blubberdiblub | raul_, and what does "ip addr" say? does that print your ip address? |
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| 16:39.40 | raul_ | blubberdiblub: ip addr is clear |
| 16:39.50 | raul_ | and will show up correctly |
| 16:39.53 | raul_ | (tnx) |
| 16:40.15 | raul_ | still it drives me crazy'the whyy', it wont show on ifconfig |
| 16:40.52 | blubberdiblub | raul_, it might have a strange alias name that ifconfig doesn't like. does "ip addr" show any alias name for the address entry? |
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| 16:41.54 | blubberdiblub | raul_, "label" in "ip"-lingo |
| 16:42.18 | raul_ | 8: xenbr0:1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state |
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| 16:42.57 | raul_ | didnt understand your last |
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| 16:44.03 | raul_ | http://pastebin.com/VE3iPT5S |
| 16:44.08 | raul_ | blubberdiblub: this is what i get |
| 16:44.25 | frikinz | Should an UP interface always have an IP? I thought up means the device is working that's all? |
| 16:44.46 | stew | frikinz: an up interface does not necessarily have an ip |
| 16:44.49 | blubberdiblub | raul_, i think "xenbr0:1" is the label. ifconfig might not like that |
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| 16:45.30 | blubberdiblub | raul_, the "xenbr0:1" at the end, i mean |
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| 16:45.49 | frikinz | stew: yes, also. but I'm even talking about one that is supposed to have one. UP means the eth driver was able to get a handle to the device. |
| 16:45.54 | raul_ | yup, i got that blubberdiblub, still it shouldnt be unliked by ifconfig |
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| 16:46.15 | raul_ | i mean, wtf? |
| 16:46.16 | leo-unglaub | hey, how can i add multiple static ip addresses to the same netwirk interface? |
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| 16:46.35 | frikinz | if the upper layers send a close to the device driver, it goes down |
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| 16:46.58 | stew | leo-unglaub: ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 def ethx |
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| 16:47.04 | stew | leo-unglaub: where /24 is an example netmask |
| 16:47.06 | raul_ | (am i being too fancy labelling bridges?) |
| 16:47.50 | blubberdiblub | raul_, that's how ifconfig works. it enumerates alias names in a certain pattern. and if the alias names don't follow that pattern, the addresses just don't show up in its output. just use "ip" instead of "ifconfig" in those cases |
| 16:47.51 | stew | i don't think xenbr0:1 is the label, that is the interface name |
| 16:48.04 | blubberdiblub | stew, i meant the second instance of the string |
| 16:48.14 | stew | blubberdiblub: yes, I know |
| 16:48.16 | leo-unglaub | stew: you mean simply adding multiple of those lines in my interfaces file? |
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| 16:48.42 | stew | leo-unglaub: add them as "up" lines in the stanza the brings up the interface |
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| 16:49.37 | raul_ | blubberdiblub: Thanks for your wisdom. Still if it wasnt for you, as a midlevel debianist, this unlikeness and patterness and unawesomeness of ifconfig, would have killed me.. without your advices |
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| 16:49.56 | leo-unglaub | stew: you are not talking about the /etc/network/interfaces, are you? |
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| 16:50.21 | cdunklau | crap. so i did dpkg -r default-jre and default-jdk... having not realized that the bot told me to do that only if it's not an essential package |
| 16:50.33 | blubberdiblub | raul_, i just use ifconfig if i want a familiar output that's easy to read for a human. in all other instances (especially in scripts) i use "ip" |
| 16:50.44 | stew | leo-unglaub: i wasn't until I mentioned the "up" part |
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| 16:50.58 | stew | leo-unglaub: "up ip addr add ..." at the end if a network stanza |
| 16:51.43 | raul_ | yes indeed, and 'll do so too |
| 16:51.44 | leo-unglaub | stew: i don't quit get it...what do you mean by stanza |
| 16:52.49 | stew | leo-unglaub: rougly "paragraph"? |
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| 16:53.17 | stew | leo-unglaub: man 5 interfaces, perhaps |
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| 16:54.02 | leo-unglaub | stew: i will read the man page again. thanks |
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| 16:55.45 | stew | blubberdiblub: you see that xenbr0:1 is the name of the interface and also appears at the end of the addr line, and look at one of your unaliased interfaces, it appears exactly the same way, right? |
| 16:56.07 | blubberdiblub | stew, nope. unaliased addresses don't have the string at the end |
| 16:56.12 | stew | mine do |
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| 16:56.18 | stew | for the primary address |
| 16:56.27 | blubberdiblub | hmm, okay |
| 16:56.43 | blubberdiblub | then ifconfig just doesn't like the : in the interface name |
| 16:56.54 | blubberdiblub | because it matches how alias names look |
| 16:56.54 | stew | probably |
| 16:57.14 | raul_ | blubberdiblub: that may leed to other problems. I'll change bridge names |
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| 16:58.11 | stew | raul_: you could do "ip link set name foo0 dev xenbr0:1" to see if that makes ifconfig instantly happy, i guess |
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| 16:58.59 | raul_ | stew: i think the's a reason for u ifconfig unliking alias interface names |
| 16:59.11 | raul_ | there* i'll change my path |
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| 17:00.08 | stew | i'm assuming that we'll finally be rid of ifconfig/route around the time that the USA finishes switching to the metric system |
| 17:00.20 | raul_ | lol |
| 17:01.06 | stew | both transistions seem to be on about an equal pace |
| 17:01.21 | raul_ | th'll happen sometime after r GB gets driving on the right side |
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| 17:02.10 | cdunklau | nkuttler: ah HAH |
| 17:02.21 | cdunklau | stupid openoffice. purged that, and the dist-upgrade goes fine |
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| 17:02.30 | cdunklau | at least, it has so far :) |
| 17:02.33 | raul_ | openoffice is evil.. |
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| 17:03.53 | raul_ | tnx all for the help. Today i'am a better debianist thanks to ya |
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| 17:19.35 | martin-- | hi, i want to upgrade my linux kernel on debian sarge |
| 17:19.45 | martin-- | is this possible or will this break debian? |
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| 17:22.35 | somiaj | martin--: debian sarge? That is way outdated. You can build a newer kernel, (check out make-kpkg from kernel-package), but I am unsure how new of a kernel will run on sarge. |
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| 17:28.09 | martin-- | hm okay so I will try first in a vm, tahnks somiaj |
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| 17:28.38 | somiaj | martin--: any reason why you cannot upgrade? You could upgrade (one step at a time) to a more modern system |
| 17:29.10 | somiaj | martin--: sarge -> etch, etch -> lenny, lenny -> squeeze (for instance /msg dpkg sarge->etch -- for a briefe overview of the upgrade process) |
| 17:29.27 | martin-- | the system is running on a neagear readynas duo box... they mixed debian sarge with some packages from news debian versions like lenny and so |
| 17:29.42 | martin-- | anyway my package system is broken |
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| 17:29.55 | martin-- | at the moment I compile all programms by my self |
| 17:30.35 | martin-- | in addition the nas is running a sparc cpu |
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| 17:31.05 | martin-- | upgrading to the newes debian version results in that the administration of netgear will no longer work |
| 17:31.18 | martin-- | *upgrading to a newer |
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| 17:43.14 | diverdude | is it normal to first set up disks for raid and then lvm on top? |
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| 17:44.41 | boudiccas | whatis the png of the default LXDE desktop please? |
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| 17:48.05 | yonk | does debootstrap provide any updating features or does one who debootstrapped a sid system two months ago (and never used it) have to use APT? |
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| 17:48.17 | valerie007_ | Is there a command to find out the ip address of a virtual machine on Debian Wheezy, if I have access to the host text interface? |
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| 17:49.05 | blackness | valerie007_, what do you mean virtual machine? a virtual container? |
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| 17:49.35 | ksk | yonk: why not just use apt? :> |
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| 17:50.09 | yonk | ksk: because then I must chroot into it and stuff... |
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| 17:50.40 | ksk | afaik you have to, never saw chrooting into things as a problem :P |
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| 17:52.15 | yonk | ksk: ;) |
| 17:52.45 | valerie007_ | blackness, I have access to text interface to Debian Wheezy, which is hosting virtual machines through qemu-kvm and I need to ssh to one of them, but I do not know its ip addr |
| 17:53.04 | SiDz | Black Friday gun sales hit an all time record high last week with demand for new firearms so overwhelming that it caused outages at the FBI background check center on two separate occasions. |
| 17:53.10 | SiDz | woups... bad channel |
| 17:53.11 | SiDz | sorry |
| 17:53.15 | blackness | oh i know how to for openvz, but i have no idea about qemu. |
| 17:54.12 | mkillebrew | but awesome news |
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| 17:54.30 | Brigo | valerie007_: is there a dhcp server for the VM? |
| 17:54.34 | steampunkey | then potato |
| 17:55.42 | valerie007_ | Brigo, yes, since the host has bridge configured |
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| 17:55.48 | blackness | valerie007_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Managing |
| 17:55.51 | mkillebrew | brctl and ifconfig doesn't tell you what you need? |
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| 17:57.22 | yonk | SiDz: where did you intend to post your gun sale text? |
| 17:57.28 | Brigo | if you can accese to the dhcp server files you can see the ips thai it manages |
| 17:57.39 | blackness | valerie007_, you can also try arp -an aswell. |
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| 17:57.46 | SiDz | on a politics channel |
| 17:57.53 | SiDz | not even on freenode |
| 17:57.56 | Brigo | or try nmap, as well :-) |
| 17:58.30 | Brigo | or a sniffer, like wireshark |
| 17:58.41 | blackness | valerie007_, i found my containers via arp -an |
| 17:58.54 | mkillebrew | mine is slow to ship, so I missed out on helping to overload the FBI on black friday |
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| 17:59.54 | stew | mkillebrew: wrong channel |
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| 18:00.58 | Brigo | blackness: arp -an works well :-) |
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| 18:01.09 | blackness | Thats why i suggested it :) |
| 18:01.17 | yonk | don't bother the FBI with your lousy gun sales... those guys are busy enough commiting terrorist attacks as instructed by Mossad |
| 18:01.20 | blackness | just hope he doesnt have like 50 containers..or he has to filter them |
| 18:01.21 | mkillebrew | that won't map IP to VM |
| 18:01.23 | boudiccas | Where is the default desktop background of LXDE kept please? i want to revert to it |
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| 18:01.40 | valerie007_ | blackness, arp -an works thanks a lot. |
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| 18:01.58 | blackness | mkillebrew, arp -an will show the IPs for them tho. |
| 18:02.03 | valerie007_ | Brigo, thanks , arp an works great |
| 18:02.08 | blackness | which is what he/she rquested |
| 18:02.13 | blackness | welcome, requested* |
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| 18:03.09 | valerie007_ | blackness, it is she :) |
| 18:03.24 | blackness | then there we go :) |
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| 18:07.07 | SiDz | yonk lol... i totaly agree with you |
| 18:07.08 | SiDz | :) |
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| 18:12.21 | yonk | when citing paths, any amount of slashes `/' > 0 is interpreted like one slash, right? |
| 18:13.42 | yonk | I mean //foo/////bar is interpreted like /foo/bar , right? |
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| 18:14.47 | nvz | well there can't be a null path so yeah it ignores it |
| 18:15.02 | nvz | nautilus, windows explorer..etc however will not ignore those |
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| 18:15.09 | nkuttler | yeah, depends on the app |
| 18:15.32 | nvz | sh/dash/bash however will ignore |
| 18:16.11 | yonk | I mean, can one run into trouble when using multiple slashes ? |
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| 18:16.42 | nvz | well // commonly refers to smb:// or a network share |
| 18:17.22 | nvz | you should always make a habit of serializing and checking your data when user input is involved |
| 18:17.48 | nvz | from a programming standpoint, regardless of if it'll fly or not |
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| 18:19.26 | yonk | nvz: okay, thanks |
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| 18:20.29 | nvz | I |
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| 18:20.48 | nvz | I'm too high right now but should be easily fixed with a simple regex to remove any extra slashes |
| 18:20.59 | zykotick9 | i'm trying to add virt-manager to my awesome menu. my issue is "gksu virt-manager" seems to silently fail after accepting the password (gksu works for other gui apps). using "su -c virt-manager" works as expected, as does "gksu virt-manager" from root terminal. experimenting with entries like "urxvt -e su -c virt-manager" also seems to silently fail after password is accepted. |
| 18:21.07 | nvz | extra referring to one followed by another.. heh |
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| 18:22.07 | nvz | zykotick9: an den? |
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| 18:23.21 | HelenB_ | erm... |
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| 18:24.19 | BadCodSmell | Does debian come with a gui based tool for basic ip settings? ie static, dhcp , etc? |
| 18:24.24 | BadCodSmell | sorry not gui |
| 18:24.25 | BadCodSmell | tui |
| 18:24.43 | nvz | zykotick9: gksu is just a frontend to su.. try the -d option maybe to get more info |
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| 18:25.04 | nvz | BadCodSmell: what is a tui? |
| 18:25.44 | nvz | BadCodSmell: nano, and vi are installed by default |
| 18:26.05 | nvz | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:26.06 | BadCodSmell | if I were at the machine that would be fine |
| 18:26.08 | zykotick9 | nvz: thanks - thas has given me somthing to work with. |
| 18:26.10 | BadCodSmell | but I'm not |
| 18:26.31 | BadCodSmell | someone else is |
| 18:26.47 | nvz | so what is it you want to do then? |
| 18:26.51 | yonk | BadCodSmell: you don't mean just a tool like network-manager ? |
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| 18:27.03 | nvz | other than make up acronyms |
| 18:27.07 | BadCodSmell | he may or may not have that |
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| 18:27.22 | BadCodSmell | all acronyms are made up |
| 18:27.34 | BadCodSmell | you're thinking of diamonds |
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| 18:27.44 | Poldo_Rossi | hi |
| 18:27.47 | nvz | so what that tells me is that you don't need help with anything then |
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| 18:28.15 | yonk | nvz: guess he's a troll or bot |
| 18:28.28 | nvz | dpkg, person? |
| 18:28.30 | dpkg | person is, like, like a bot, but squishier |
| 18:29.36 | HelenB_ | I have a problem. |
| 18:29.41 | HelenB_ | > xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --below LVDS1 --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 |
| 18:29.42 | stew | BadCodSmell: no, there are no longer utilities for configuring network, you edit /etc/network/interfaces, or you run somthing like network-manager |
| 18:29.44 | HelenB_ | xrandr: loop in relative position specifications |
| 18:29.48 | Poldo_Rossi | i need to open a gnome terminal window and then run 3 commands, one tab for command. Is there a way to automatize this? (like "./a-script-to-open-that-3-commands-all-inside-a-gnometerminal-window" ) |
| 18:29.48 | HelenB_ | Okies... |
| 18:29.54 | HelenB_ | I am trying to get a dual screen setup |
| 18:30.06 | HelenB_ | not extended and not mirror |
| 18:30.11 | stew | BadCodSmell: you are saying LVDS1 is below itself |
| 18:30.14 | stew | err |
| 18:30.19 | stew | HelenB_: ^^^ |
| 18:30.21 | HelenB_ | but both screens have a mirrored display |
| 18:30.36 | HelenB_ | no I am saying LVDS1 is below VGA1 |
| 18:30.51 | HelenB_ | wait... |
| 18:30.54 | HelenB_ | right |
| 18:30.56 | Poldo_Rossi | HelenB_: --below VGA1 |
| 18:30.58 | stew | HelenB_: then put --below LVDS1 after --output VGA1 |
| 18:30.59 | HelenB_ | thanks |
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| 18:31.02 | stew | no |
| 18:31.09 | stew | if anything, --above VGA1 |
| 18:31.52 | Poldo_Rossi | stew: LVDS1 is _below_ VGA1: "19:30 < HelenB_> no I am saying LVDS1 is below VGA1 |
| 18:31.55 | Poldo_Rossi | " |
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| 18:33.52 | HelenB_ | Now how do I get xwinwrap on LVDS1. There is no manuals, no help on Google, no nothing. :/ |
| 18:34.07 | stew | oh, right |
| 18:34.28 | Sm0kEz | is Away (fewd) @ 06:34:28pm |
| 18:34.43 | stew | Sm0kEz: please turn that off in here |
| 18:34.48 | KdgDev | Question: I just changed the group of /etc/apache2/sites-available/ to the group www that I belong to. I then try to make a file via the touch command, but permission is still denied. Can someone tell me what I have forgotten? |
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| 18:35.01 | Poldo_Rossi | is there a way to make gnome-terminal run some programs one tab for program in the same window? like : gnome-terminal "command1 args" "command2 args" "command3 args" |
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| 18:35.18 | stew | KdgDev: what are the permissions of that directory? |
| 18:36.26 | HelenB_ | This problem is seriously annoying me. :/ |
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| 18:38.18 | HelenB_ | Guys? I want xwinwrap on LVDS1 instead of on VGA1. :/ |
| 18:39.33 | yonk | I want a liberated Palestine |
| 18:41.02 | HelenB_ | okies fixed :3 |
| 18:41.20 | KdgDev | stew: Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 1002/ www) |
| 18:41.37 | stew | KdgDev: yeah, so group doens't have write access |
| 18:41.45 | stew | you probably want 2775 instead of 0755 |
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| 18:42.19 | KdgDev | 2775? |
| 18:42.21 | stew | and if you don't know what those mean: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:42.30 | diverdude | i dont understand why i can only choose 8 TB in my raid5 system during install when i have 4x4TB disks....Why cant i have 12tb then? |
| 18:42.32 | KdgDev | I've only ever known permissions to have 3 numbers |
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| 18:42.41 | stew | damn that page changed radically |
| 18:42.54 | stew | KdgDev: 2 is group sticky. new files created inherit group ownership from the directory |
| 18:43.01 | KdgDev | aha |
| 18:43.40 | stew | they took sticky bits off that page? why oh why? |
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| 18:44.52 | KdgDev | right, now stat says: Access: (2775/drwxrwsr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 1002/ www) |
| 18:45.01 | KdgDev | let's try this again |
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| 18:45.15 | KdgDev | huzzah |
| 18:45.19 | KdgDev | no permission error |
| 18:45.36 | diverdude | i dont understand why i can only choose 8 TB in my raid5 system during install when i have 4x4TB disks....Why cant i have 12tb then? |
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| 18:46.21 | somiaj | diverdude: what file system are you using? |
| 18:46.27 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Perhaps you are configuring it with a hot spare. How should we know? It's YOUR system. |
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| 18:47.09 | somiaj | or maybe you have a 2 by 2-strip/mirror raid, so you really only have 4TB (which is then mirrored) |
| 18:47.53 | somiaj | seems the max filesystem size for 2 KiB blocks in ext 3 is 8 TiB |
| 18:48.19 | somiaj | (not sure if he is running into limits because of that) |
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| 18:52.08 | HelenB_ | I'm getting really irritated by this! |
| 18:52.13 | HelenB_ | http://ompldr.org/vZ2hpdA |
| 18:52.18 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 18:52.23 | HelenB_ | I want xwinwrap at the bottom not the top! |
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| 18:53.29 | diverdude | now i have created a raid5 configuration and have 12 tb available on a 4x4tb hd configuration. then i have created a 12 tb lvm on top of that...Does that sound about right? and as a good setup? |
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| 18:55.25 | somiaj | diverdude: depends on what you need. with 4x4TB drives, stripping it to be 12tb, if one drive fails you loose all your data |
| 18:55.35 | bitHipy | how can I crop a PDF? |
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| 18:56.19 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Why lvm? |
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| 18:56.28 | HelenB_ | I'm clearly not liking this at all. :/ |
| 18:56.42 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: No, raid 5 should mean he can loose 1 drive. |
| 18:56.44 | HelenB_ | I'm getting wound up and stressed out and pissed off over it. :/ |
| 18:56.57 | nkuttler | bitHipy: how did you create it? |
| 18:57.00 | somiaj | oh I guess raid5 has a parity across the drives so loosing one drive may not. |
| 18:57.05 | bitHipy | nkuttler: scan |
| 18:57.13 | bitHipy | nkuttler: it's an OCRd scan |
| 18:57.25 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea I always forget what each raid is off the top of my head. seems as if the parity is what is taking up that 4tb |
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| 18:57.41 | nkuttler | bitHipy: if it's OCR can't you just select a different output format? |
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| 18:58.00 | somiaj | diverdude: pay attention to the raid5 pairty. you will have 4TB taken up (across all the drives) for the parity bits, thus you only have 12 - 4 = 8TB of data space. |
| 18:58.07 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: What was the reason for your earlier problem? |
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| 18:58.12 | bitHipy | nkuttler: not sure what you mean.. on the scanner? I want a PDF |
| 18:58.48 | bitHipy | nkuttler: it's a scan of a receipt, btw |
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| 18:59.21 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: You really can't crop a pdf like you can a (bitmapped) graphic. |
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| 18:59.50 | somiaj | you could take the images from the pdf, crop them, and then create a new pdf with the cropped images |
| 18:59.51 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: well i know it's possible because i've had windows tools doing it years ago |
| 18:59.52 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: The whole idea of PDFs is that they're not supposed to be modifyable. |
| 19:00.22 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: if only adobe would have stuck with that......(: |
| 19:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: Can you scan to a graphics format instead of PDF? |
| 19:01.00 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: i have a few options, but AFAIK nothing that is text searchable |
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| 19:01.04 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Well, it only worked if you didn't look at the file too closely. |
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| 19:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: The idea is that you should manipulate the original (graphics) file, then create a PDF that looks like you want it to. |
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| 19:02.10 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: On the other hand, scanners I've worked with allow you to select the area to scan. |
| 19:02.45 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: I deduce that you want both the image and a text file you can search, and want to somehow link these together. |
| 19:03.27 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: the scanner I used is relatively sophistcated, but it's dumb with regards to boundaries.. it really bitches if the receipt does not match an official document |
| 19:03.37 | bitHipy | so I must tell the scanner it's A3 |
| 19:03.44 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, i thought it would be a good idea to have lvm |
| 19:03.51 | lfaraone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.56 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: One more thing to go wrong. |
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| 19:04.08 | diverdude | do you usually make a seperate partition for swapspace? |
| 19:04.31 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Yeah, 1-2x RAM depending on how much RAM you have. |
| 19:04.34 | HelenB_ | Whyy wont nobody help me?! :( |
| 19:04.42 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: I want a PDF container. And in that container, I want text, as well as an image. I want the image to be cropped |
| 19:05.06 | bitHipy | the commercial tool "Paperport" can do this |
| 19:05.18 | bitHipy | but i want to do it with a GNU tool |
| 19:05.30 | bitHipy | (or multiple gnu tools) |
| 19:05.45 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Perhaps no one recognizes your complaint as a solvable problem. |
| 19:05.48 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, mmm i see...but if i want to run raid5 on 4x4tb data (giving 12tb storage) then where can i fit in 16GB for swapspace? |
| 19:05.54 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 19:06.07 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: Have you tried gimp? |
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| 19:06.39 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: How much RAM? |
| 19:06.49 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: i tried lots of things.. don't recall if I tried gimp, but i would not expect gimp to handle a text-searchable PDF well |
| 19:07.23 | diverdude | Jhlorn, 8GB |
| 19:07.40 | jhutchins_wk | bitHipy: The thing is you need to edit the graphic that is imbedded in the PDF. As I said before, if you edit the graphic before it's converted to a PDF (and OCR'd) it will be easier. |
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| 19:07.54 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: How do I atleast set my background to black? |
| 19:08.02 | Jhlorn | diverdude: What? |
| 19:08.05 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Then 8G is enough swap. Just take that out of the 12TB. |
| 19:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: In what program? |
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| 19:08.37 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: Any that can set my background to black. |
| 19:08.43 | HelenB_ | feh prefered |
| 19:08.49 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Your background in what? |
| 19:08.53 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: the scanner has no hope of this.. it's a standalone scanner. I need to extract the image (perhaps w/ pdfimages), crop, and replace the original |
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| 19:09.03 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: on my desktop |
| 19:09.13 | HelenB_ | in X |
| 19:09.13 | bitHipy | the 1st two steps are trivial. |
| 19:09.18 | HelenB_ | it's currently gray |
| 19:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: What window manager or desktop environment? |
| 19:09.29 | HelenB_ | i3 |
| 19:09.29 | bitHipy | but getting the image back into the pdf is the problem |
| 19:09.56 | bitHipy | gimp wants to import the image from the pdf.. which means it wants to toss the text |
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| 19:10.42 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, hmm so to be mounted to /swap? or what is default location for that? |
| 19:11.00 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk: i3 |
| 19:11.01 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 19:11.43 | bitHipy | jhutchins_wk: i'm not sure if you're following me with this kind of scanner.. it't big industrial thing.. takes a stack of paper and cranks through the whole stack |
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| 19:12.07 | bitHipy | there would not be a way to take special actions on a single page before it assembles the PDF |
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| 19:12.56 | bitHipy | and in principle, a PDF is a container.. it should be possible to alter the contents |
| 19:12.58 | jhutchins_wk | wonders if it's possible to calculate the fractional number of people who use i3 on Debian... |
| 19:13.28 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 19:13.42 | diverdude | to which location should the swap partition be mounted? |
| 19:13.45 | HelenB_ | brb restarting X |
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| 19:15.45 | Mac101 | Finally got a couch :] |
| 19:15.46 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Installer should take care of that, but it's something like /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 19:15.58 | Mac101 | leans wayyy back in his recilner |
| 19:16.05 | Mac101 | ahhh |
| 19:16.15 | Mac101 | o |
| 19:16.18 | Mac101 | wrong chan -.@ |
| 19:16.44 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: You back? |
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| 19:18.26 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, mm no i have to do it manually because i am trying to setup raid |
| 19:18.28 | diverdude | raid5 |
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| 19:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Yes. We know. 4x4TB. |
| 19:21.36 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, yes exactly..so it does not setup swap automaciallly |
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| 19:23.00 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, so im wondering where to put it |
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| 19:24.53 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: none, as shown above. |
| 19:25.06 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: We did swat you over the head with the Install Guide earlier, didn't we? |
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| 19:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Did you figure it out? |
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| 19:30.05 | Mr_Sonoma | chasing high processor usage associated with X. when I scroll the screen (web page for example) processor spikes up. Top shows as high as 80% or higher in some instances going to X. |
| 19:31.07 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: software compositing in use? |
| 19:31.47 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, best way to tell? |
| 19:31.51 | tremon | also, what kernel/X version, what video card/driver |
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| 19:31.55 | ForverAlone | t |
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| 19:32.05 | iToast | hey, any good guides for dev on debian |
| 19:32.09 | iToast | or for debian |
| 19:32.28 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: glxinfo |
| 19:33.16 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, |
| 19:33.19 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395224/ |
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| 19:34.38 | tremon | hmm, that's not a very powerful card but 2d scrolling should be fine |
| 19:35.00 | diverdude | arrg why are all youtube videos about raid5 and debian on portoguese |
| 19:35.06 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, debian squeeze, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) |
| 19:35.07 | Mr_Sonoma | Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device 7312 |
| 19:35.45 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, thats like a 10000 page manual....i cant find anything about raid in there |
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| 19:36.16 | Mr_Sonoma | its an older machine true, recently installed squeeze after a HD failure and now this issue. unfortunately i don't have a backup of what worked before i don't remember having this issue on the previous install |
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| 19:36.23 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: figured that last one out from the glxinfo output :) usually, slow scrolling means a problem with drawing primitives. can you post your Xorg.log too? |
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| 19:36.42 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 19:36.44 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, sure no problem |
| 19:37.00 | peterS | diverdude: dunno, but that seems an odd thing to look for on youtube |
| 19:37.03 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: previous install wasn't squeeze, but still linux, and didn't have the slow scrolling issue? |
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| 19:37.14 | diverdude | peterrus, why? |
| 19:37.40 | peterS | I dunno, RAID technology just doesn't seem to make for very exciting videos |
| 19:37.58 | tremon | diverdude: what is your exact question? |
| 19:38.24 | abrotman | peterS: unless maybe it were a video of watching a RAID5 setup scramble around trying to gather your data and checksums :) |
| 19:38.29 | jhutchins_wk | peterS: People will put ANYTHING on video these days, especially allegedly instructional demonstrations. |
| 19:38.48 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, correct it was ubuntu 7.04 |
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| 19:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: I think this is at least linked there: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 19:39.12 | diverdude | Trellmor, it is: How do i create a swap partition during the manual partition setup? |
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| 19:39.18 | diverdude | tremon, ^ |
| 19:39.25 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: See also http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 19:39.30 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395241/ |
| 19:39.43 | peterS | jhutchins_wk: ahh, true. that was useful when I needed to replace a gear in my garage door opener. everyone who sells those gears also makes instructional videos for how to get in there to replace them |
| 19:39.43 | abrotman | diverdude: FWIW, you don't need to RAID swap |
| 19:39.44 | damacus | diverdude: are you using lvm on top of the raid? |
| 19:39.49 | tremon | diverdude: in debian installer? select a partition, select use as: swap |
| 19:40.11 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: I believe you just make it type swap and then don't worry about the mount point ('cause there isn't one). |
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| 19:40.46 | jhutchins_wk | considers ressurecting an old system he can repeatedly run the installer on so he can see what these questions come from. |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: they come from not reading the manual? :) |
| 19:41.09 | tremon | and I'd even recommend against putting swap on top of any management system (unless it's drbd for ha), just use raw partitions |
| 19:41.30 | abrotman | the OS will 'raid' the swap anyway |
| 19:41.34 | peterS | abrotman: I dunno ... raid1 for swap seems useful if you don't want your kernel to panic just because a disk went bad |
| 19:41.49 | peterS | but raid5 does seem a tad overkill |
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| 19:42.03 | jhutchins_wk | I actually saw a system saved by RAID for the first time this week. |
| 19:42.04 | abrotman | peterS: should it really panic though? seems like something to test .. would it just call it a cache miss and go to disk, or freak out? |
| 19:42.12 | jhutchins_wk | As opposed to being wrecked by it. |
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| 19:42.34 | abrotman | has had many systems saved by RAID |
| 19:42.34 | damacus | if the raid is a pv in a lvm vg, it's trivial to have a swap lv |
| 19:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | It did take the array read-only and eventually crash the system, but it recovered on reboot. |
| 19:42.47 | peterS | abrotman: swap isn't just a backing for disk - if something's on the disk, the kernel will just "swap" back to the disk file (i.e., nothing to write). swap is for RAM that is not backed by any disk |
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| 19:42.54 | jhutchins_wk | damacus: The whole system is one raid in this case. |
| 19:43.13 | jhutchins_wk | damacus: No reason for lvm to be involved. |
| 19:43.19 | Guest50173 | Is it possible to ssh remote computer and then to ssh a virtual machine hosted by that computer? |
| 19:43.22 | abrotman | peterS: i suppose .. i guess it depends what was being stored there at the moment .. if you've 0 in swap, i don't think the kernel will panic if it disappears? |
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| 19:43.31 | dondelelcaro | Guest50173: yes. |
| 19:43.50 | peterS | abrotman: thus if you have one fast disk you put your swap on, and slower disks for your filesystems, you could in theory get benefit from caching file I/O in your faster swap disk, but in practice it won't do that |
| 19:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Guest50173: assuming that virtual machine runs ssh. It's also possible to use a serial console if that virtual machine supports it and is properly configured. |
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| 19:43.55 | abrotman | peterS: i may try to figure out how to test this with VMs :) |
| 19:43.57 | diverdude | tremon, ahh ok...so i can just make one large 12 tb partition and ask to use that as swap? |
| 19:43.57 | damacus | jhutchins_wk: that doesn't make sense to me. |
| 19:44.03 | jhutchins_wk | Guest50173: If there is pseudo-network connectivity to the VM then yes. |
| 19:44.12 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: the via unichrome driver has gone through several incarnations, and has at some time even had competing drivers for the same model. It's possible ubuntu was using a different driver. I don't see anything obviously wrong in your X log |
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| 19:44.48 | peterS | Guest50173: alternatively, ssh to the virt host, then do a virtual serial console. ('virsh console' on libvirt, 'xm console' with xen xm) |
| 19:44.54 | tremon | diverdude: well, you /can/, but one would question the wisdom of aiming for 12tb swap |
| 19:44.58 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, thats my issue also I'm not seeing anything just jumping out at me |
| 19:44.59 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: What I would suggest would be that you make two partitions, one 8G and one 12TB(-8G). |
| 19:45.19 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: You can use a swap file within the partition, but performance may be degraded. |
| 19:45.23 | peterS | Guest50173: for this to work you do need to have a getty running on your console serial port on the guest (configure this in the inittab) |
| 19:45.33 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Then again, you shouldn't be actually using the swap anyway... |
| 19:45.47 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, the xorg.conf maybe something i missed?: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395253/ |
| 19:46.09 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, why should i not be using the swap? |
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| 19:46.21 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: you can either try to install kernel, X and mesa from backports, see if the newer versions improve performance, or you may ask #dri for advice. Maybe there's still some other driver somewhere for you to try |
| 19:46.40 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: I'll take a look at your xorg.conf, but have you tried just moving it out of the way? |
| 19:46.52 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Swap is slow. The main reason for having it on a server (which I presume this is) is to give you a buffer if something runs away in RAM. |
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| 19:47.25 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, originally there was none. ran reconfigure thinking MAYBE. |
| 19:47.35 | abrotman | diverdude: most of the boxes at work here, never touch swap .. We have nagios warnings to tell us if they do hit swap, we don't want them to |
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| 19:47.39 | Guest50173 | dondelelcaro, the virtual machine runs ssh, but I am denied permission when I type the password |
| 19:48.07 | abrotman | nevermind that most of the RAM is file buffers .. not important |
| 19:48.12 | Getty | I will not run on a serial port, thats just too small area... cant even put my feet on there.... |
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| 19:48.33 | jhutchins_wk | Guest50173: Try it as a regular user. |
| 19:48.50 | tremon | diverdude: having some swap is fine, but unless you are doing big data (in which case you would be using a cluster) your machine will slow to a crawl well before you hit the 12tb limit |
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| 19:49.43 | tremon | better to have the kernel kill the runaway process after minutes instead of days |
| 19:50.29 | diverdude | tremon, should i set bootable flag = on for the big partition? |
| 19:50.49 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: well, the X log does say AccelMethod: XAA, which is obsolete. You can try setting AccelMethod "EXA", but the driver should choose that automatically if it's available |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | tremon: does his card have firmware ? I remember it used to have a driver from outside Debian, but I'm not sure why |
| 19:51.21 | tremon | diverdude: linux doesn't use the bootable flags, you only need it if you have an old Dos-style MBR |
| 19:51.41 | diverdude | ah ok |
| 19:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | Boot flag can also be useful if it's not clear which partition is /boot. |
| 19:52.27 | deckid | Is it possible to have multiple users created in preseed? I am finding that only the last user is actually created. |
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| 19:52.30 | diverdude | ahh nice i think i got it now |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | tremon: nm, see /msg dpkg unichrome |
| 19:53.39 | tremon | abrotman: iirc there were three drivers for via IGPs, a via-provided closed source one, a reverse engineered one and a third one, open source and (partially) paid for by via |
| 19:54.05 | tremon | don't remember which is which, but there was -via, -unichrome and -openchrome |
| 19:54.34 | tremon | !tell Mr_Sonoma about unichrome |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | i think unichrome wasn't in lenny perhaps .. it's been awhile |
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| 19:55.51 | tremon | deckid: not directly (the variable takes only one value, later settings override earlier like you noticed), but there is the preseed.late script (iirc?) |
| 19:55.56 | abrotman | it's seemingly packaged for squeeze .. so let's pretend i'm crazy :) |
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| 19:56.28 | diverdude | hmmmm having configured the 16TB raid system...should i expect long creation time when i click DONE ? |
| 19:56.31 | tremon | yeah, haven't really kept track. my only via machine is a mini-itx firewall, and it doesn't do X :) |
| 19:56.36 | digitalirony | sup. I know this is the debian channel, but this isn't exactly debian related, just I can not find anyone else to ask lol |
| 19:56.44 | digitalirony | and you guys are pretty smart anyway |
| 19:56.55 | deckid | tremon, thanks for the confirmation. I figured I would have to use the late_command to run a script. |
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| 19:57.50 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, so should i install the transitional package and move the config away and see what happens? |
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| 19:58.05 | abrotman | Mr_Sonoma: have you installed the 'xorg' package? |
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| 19:58.27 | digitalirony | I have this issue basically, where we use Darwin Streaming Server here. The videos are working for me, and on other computers I have tested from. My boss, and his boss, both can not view the streaming videos on their machines though :/ They get a 'conection timed out' error. I had them test streaming through VLC, which worked. So this leads me to believe its an issue with: A. the browser or B. The plugin |
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| 19:58.34 | Mr_Sonoma | the x that is running is what was installed by the installer. |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | Mr_Sonoma: doesn't really answer my question |
| 19:58.47 | digitalirony | so, does anyone have experience with streaming video and what not |
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| 19:59.56 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: transitional packages are dummies (they don't have any content), so that won't help. If the config doesn't help I would remove it, but do try AccelMethod "EXA" first |
| 20:00.01 | Mr_Sonoma | abrotman, this the package you mean? xserver-xorg-video-via if so no i have not manually installed that |
| 20:00.06 | kpwn | hi |
| 20:00.12 | abrotman | Mr_Sonoma: no, i really mean the 'xorg' package |
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| 20:00.22 | Mr_Sonoma | tremon, ok |
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| 20:00.40 | Mr_Sonoma | abrotman, no not manually let me check if its installed |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | thank you |
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| 20:04.27 | Mr_Sonoma | abrotman, yes it is installed |
| 20:04.34 | tremon | deckid: just FYI, there is a little gem called preseed_run in the d-i environment. It will fetch the named file from the same location where it got the preseed file from and execute (shell source) it. Saves you the trouble of grappling with escapes in the preseed file itself |
| 20:04.41 | Guest50173 | jhutchins-wk, denied permission for regular user as well |
| 20:04.45 | abrotman | Mr_Sonoma: so try what tremon suggested with the EXA |
| 20:05.08 | Mr_Sonoma | ok i've already made the change in config. brb gotta restart x |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | wait .... you have a config? |
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| 20:05.28 | Mr_Sonoma | yes |
| 20:05.32 | deckid | tremon, nice, will check that out. Thanks. |
| 20:05.35 | Mr_Sonoma | posted above |
| 20:05.41 | abrotman | Mr_Sonoma: have you tried without one? |
| 20:05.49 | Mr_Sonoma | yes same result |
| 20:06.36 | abrotman | okay |
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| 20:07.24 | Mr_Sonoma | ok brb |
| 20:07.27 | tremon | Mr_Sonoma: by now, I'm out of suggestions. try #dri or #unichrome (as dpkg suggested), or wait for more knowledge to come your way here :) |
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| 20:08.34 | Mr_Sonoma | thanks tremon i'll try your suggestion and we'll see what happens. |
| 20:08.35 | kpwn | hi |
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| 20:10.38 | UukGoblin | ugh... cgroup-bin conflicts with lxc? :-S |
| 20:10.46 | diverdude | hmmmm having configured the 16TB raid system...should i expect long creation time when i click DONE ? hard disks gives noises as if something is happening....but progress bar hangs at 33% |
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| 20:11.44 | tremon | diverdude: that's because d-i isn't particularly bright, it counts steps, not bytes written. And how long it takes depends on the filesystem you've chosen |
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| 20:12.30 | tremon | I wouldn't expect more than a few minutes for ext4, but I've never created a filesystem of that size (7 tb max, and that one was grown from 3) |
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| 20:14.43 | UukGoblin | tremon, switch to another console and see what's going on ;-] |
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| 20:15.25 | Mr_Sonoma | yea it didnt like that. |
| 20:15.39 | diverdude | tremon, hmmm i did ext4 |
| 20:15.54 | diverdude | tremon, and has benn running for 20 minutes now |
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| 20:16.19 | Mr_Sonoma | i'll hit up #dri later at the moment i got the kiddo wanting my attention. thanks fellas |
| 20:16.27 | tremon | diverdude: alt-f4 will show the installer logs |
| 20:16.28 | frikinz | Isn't it also setting parity for mirror-like raids? I think the whole disk has to be written |
| 20:16.35 | tremon | (alt-f1 to return) |
| 20:17.27 | tremon | that would be possible, but since he said 16tb partition I assumed he opted for jbod instead |
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| 20:18.03 | tremon | a cat /proc/mdstat would confirm that |
| 20:18.14 | tremon | diverdude: ^ on console (alt-f2) |
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| 20:19.42 | frikinz | I remember my raid1 using 2 160GB member over usb2 (ahem) took ... 46 hours to build . I'm talking of mdadm create, not mkfs.ext4 |
| 20:20.57 | F3st3r | hi all :) |
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| 20:23.59 | diverdude | tremon, how do i go back from installer log? |
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| 20:25.27 | tremon | diverdude: alt-f1 (unless you're using the graphical installer, in which case I don't know - I'd guess alt-f7) |
| 20:25.31 | diverdude | tremon, last 3 entries in the log is hpet increasing min_delta to xxxx nsec |
| 20:26.09 | scottj | how do I make ecryptfs mount ~/.private as ~/ instead of as ~/Private ? |
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| 20:26.22 | scottj | (like ubuntu does) |
| 20:26.45 | diverdude | tremon, and seems to be a while since anything was written to log |
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| 20:27.28 | tremon | diverdude: and mdstat? |
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| 20:30.19 | StaNy | hello. does someone know how to write a script which archive files in a folder without root directory and without compression and it will store them in the archive used as parameter. and that archive should be encrypted using aes with a pass |
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| 20:32.19 | StaNy | anyone ? |
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| 20:32.54 | alfadir | StaNy: maybe in two separate steps ? tar cvf archive.tar direcotry and then encrypt that with gpg? |
| 20:33.25 | StaNy | yeah, ofc 2 separate steps |
| 20:33.29 | tremon | try asking #bash |
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| 20:33.40 | StaNy | they told me to come here lol |
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| 20:34.08 | tremon | there is nothing #debian-specific in that question |
| 20:34.09 | alfadir | StaNy: well that is it just tar cf tarfile.tar directory and read the rest here http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ ? |
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| 20:34.49 | StaNy | gpg comes with debian as default application ? |
| 20:34.49 | alfadir | StaNy: "Encrypting a file for personal use" would be the section.. but you should get a key first |
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| 20:35.53 | alfadir | StaNy: apt-cache show gnupg |
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| 20:36.55 | StaNy | ah, it's a default gnu tool, thx |
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| 20:37.00 | nfh | did anyone run a ltsp client on on raspberry pi? |
| 20:37.14 | nfh | did anyone run a ltsp client on raspberry pi? |
| 20:37.28 | scottj | I just installed wheezy and I didn't mean to but I got kde installed, is there an all-encompasing package for the kde stuff? |
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| 20:42.14 | themill | !uninstall kde |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 20:42.33 | themill | scottj: ^^ I've not double checked that with wheezy though. |
| 20:43.09 | themill | Actually, if you installed from tasksel, removing task-kde-desktop might be enough |
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| 20:45.36 | StaNy | gpg -c password file is it correct this way ? |
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| 20:48.35 | LtL | StaNy: to encrypt a file? |
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| 20:49.15 | StaNy | yeah |
| 20:49.43 | StaNy | i need to make a small .sh :D |
| 20:49.53 | LtL | StaNy: gpg -e file when it prompts enter a first name or key id |
| 20:50.14 | StaNy | i have to write it in a .sh |
| 20:51.00 | diverdude | tremon, how do i see mdstat? |
| 20:51.01 | LtL | StaNy: i've never tried that, sorry. i'm sure there is a tutorial somewhere. |
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| 20:53.14 | diverdude | tremon, ?? |
| 20:54.12 | Ring0` | on debian after adding iptables rule it's applied instantly? |
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| 20:54.32 | Ring0` | Since I added in/out IP with -j REJECT and I still see hundreds connections in iftop :( |
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| 20:55.01 | frikinz | diverdude: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 20:55.58 | frikinz | Ring0`: yes, in linux (netfilter). unless there's an accept rule before |
| 20:56.13 | diverdude | frikinz, i dont have a console |
| 20:56.20 | diverdude | frikinz, im installing now |
| 20:56.33 | diverdude | frikinz, and installations seems to be hanging |
| 20:56.42 | diverdude | frikinz, i did a raid5 setup |
| 20:56.50 | Ring0` | frikinz: where can I look for accept rule, where could it possibly be |
| 20:56.54 | frikinz | diverdude: long time I didn't install but try all tty like alt-f2 |
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| 20:56.58 | diverdude | frikinz, on 16TB |
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| 20:57.37 | frikinz | Ring0`: iptables -nL ? |
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| 20:57.55 | Ring0` | ahh |
| 20:58.01 | Ring0` | I want to reject destination, not source |
| 20:58.04 | Ring0` | :) |
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| 20:58.19 | diverdude | frikinz, ah ok...what should i look for in that file |
| 20:58.34 | Ring0` | thanks frikinz |
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| 20:59.21 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Where does it seem to be hanging? |
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| 20:59.51 | frikinz | diverdude: nothing to look like, it should give you the progress of array creation. cat /proc/mdstat speed is shown |
| 21:00.26 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, its a 33% in the progress bar...i effectuated all the changes i had done to the disk partitions...ie having setup raid5 and 2 partitions |
| 21:00.35 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: 12 TB is going to take about an hour to format. |
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| 21:01.05 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Switching to the various alternate screens should give you some idea where it is in the process. |
| 21:01.19 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, ahhh something has happened...a new line has been appended to the log file |
| 21:01.40 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: I don't know how much time to allow for creating the raid - haven't done it in a long time and that was hardware. |
| 21:01.55 | diverdude | ohh doh thats just me starting up tty2 which has been logged |
| 21:02.26 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Remember that usually the current process isn't logged or displayed, what you'll see is the last step that completed. |
| 21:02.26 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, has been hanging for 2 hours soon |
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| 21:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: What does it say it's doing? |
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| 21:03.55 | jhutchins_wk | Man, people who use Windows all the time are dangers to themselves and others. |
| 21:04.04 | jhutchins_wk | Solution to every problem: reboot. |
| 21:04.26 | jhutchins_wk | Even on Windows you can just restart services and that usually solves the problem. |
| 21:04.42 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, 3 last messages which are quite old now are CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 90506 nsec |
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| 21:05.24 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: That doesn't sound like installation logging, just system process. |
| 21:05.33 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Are you seeing drive activity? |
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| 21:06.23 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, yeah harddisk is making noises |
| 21:06.51 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, its doing something i think |
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| 21:07.43 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, i think last command according to log was mke2fs |
| 21:07.53 | Ring0` | frikinz: Huge thanks once again!! |
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| 21:08.19 | frikinz | Ring0`: np, you found it on your own :) |
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| 21:10.00 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Ok, that's formatting 12TB of data. A benchmark I looked at yesterday was ~18 minutes for 2TB. |
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| 21:10.16 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: So two hours is nothing to worry about. |
| 21:10.50 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: You're going to have to get used to some things that take a really long time. Backups, fscks, searches, scans, etc. |
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| 21:12.00 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, yeah ok...i will just leave it for the night and see what happens then :) |
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| 21:16.07 | frikinz | Today an IT guy hot removed a member of a hw raid (Dell server). The controler didn't like that.. after replacing it with a sane member, the volume appears as dead, now way to recover the data on the disk.. |
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| 21:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Probably the best thing to do. |
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| 21:16.59 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Of course what's going to happen is 30 seconds after you walk away from the screen it's going to finish and pop up some question. |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | frikinz: uhm .. depends on the RAID config |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | and which drives |
| 21:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: That _should_ be recoverable. What does the Dell raid setup screen show? |
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| 21:18.14 | frikinz | No clue. Its dell support that didn't manage. |
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| 21:18.22 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, haha yeah...its in my bedroom though |
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| 21:18.31 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, i can keep an eye out for it |
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| 21:19.06 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: Yeah, we had one that lost both the RAID battery and the drive with the metadata on it at the same time. |
| 21:19.07 | frikinz | They said hot removing with this raid controler was not allowed.. |
| 21:19.33 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: That's nuts, SCSI and SATA are supposed to support hot swap. |
| 21:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | That's a reminder though that RAID adds additional points of failure and failure modes and makes backups even more important. |
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| 21:20.50 | diverdude | hmm i wanted to just play around with different options to learn this raid :D but if it takes a day to format the disks that makes it less fun hehe |
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| 21:21.00 | jhutchins_wk | I think the RAID I recovered this past week was actually the first time it's saved a system since I started working with it in the 90's. |
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| 21:21.27 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: 12TB is a lot of disk. |
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| 21:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Besides which it's really doing 14TB with the checksums. |
| 21:21.53 | alusion | What's the difference between rsync and dd |
| 21:22.02 | frikinz | Initially, our company asked for a disk replacement but they said they can only unplug the dead one, replug but they do not care if the system starts again. And for this, they asked 500 euros. |
| 21:22.15 | jhutchins_wk | alusion: rsync is by-file, while dd is by data block. |
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| 21:22.43 | nkuttler | alusion: and rsync is networked |
| 21:23.10 | jhutchins_wk | frikinz: Drive isn't covered under the waranty? They are here. |
| 21:23.14 | nkuttler | alusion: and really, they are totally different. see man dd and man rsync |
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| 21:23.30 | frikinz | I made some tests lately with mdadm. Wrote at 100MB/s to a sata2 raid0. Unplugged one member, see how it reacts :) Did some other nasty tests. I'm impressed how everything was smooth |
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| 21:23.52 | frikinz | jhutchins_wk: I didn't follow but I |
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| 21:24.09 | frikinz | jhutchins_wk: .. think the disk was under warranty so 500 euros was for unplug/replug :) |
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| 21:26.25 | frikinz | mdadm: after like 10 IO Errors, the mount point is remounted as R/O. I also tried writing a file of chunksize, a chunksize + 1k (this one would go on the removed drive), etc.. reboot and the ext4 consistency did a good job |
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| 21:33.43 | sc_ | is there a security chan for debian? |
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| 21:33.59 | sc_ | so i can get updates like: http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2578 |
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| 21:35.07 | iio7 | What does this error mean exactly? "startpar: service(s) returned failure: mysql" |
| 21:35.13 | iio7 | mysql is not installed |
| 21:35.29 | tremon | iio7: then you have a lingering start script for mysql |
| 21:35.39 | HelenB_ | I would like to know how fake-hwlock works. :/ |
| 21:35.46 | HelenB_ | *fake-hwclock |
| 21:36.30 | abrotman | read the docs |
| 21:36.35 | iio7 | tremon, I thought as much, but when I look in /etc/init.d/ there is no mysql* scripts. |
| 21:36.40 | tremon | sc_: I'd guess there probably is a debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 21:36.45 | HelenB_ | I'm not installing it just to read the docs abrotman :/ |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | HelenB_: so you want someone else to install it ot read docs for you? |
| 21:37.04 | HelenB_ | no |
| 21:37.15 | abrotman | okay, so i guess you get to install it .. good luck |
| 21:37.17 | HelenB_ | but someone here may already use it! |
| 21:37.22 | HelenB_ | which is why I asked |
| 21:37.32 | themill | dpkg: tell sc_ about dsa |
| 21:37.37 | sc_ | tremon: thanks |
| 21:37.56 | sc_ | themill: thanks |
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| 21:38.40 | sc_ | Subscription request processed |
| 21:38.41 | sc_ | doot |
| 21:39.03 | iio7 | tremon, doing a 'grep -rl "mysql" *' inside /etc/init.d also doesn't reveal anything. |
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| 21:39.33 | HelenB_ | There is no point me finding out info myself when someone else already knows it! It's a waste of CPU to surf the web. |
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| 21:39.58 | sc_ | HelenB_: please... |
| 21:39.59 | HelenB_ | which is why I ask on IRC because it's not CPU hungry and I'm NOT going to install a program I don't trust! |
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| 21:40.10 | beppe | ciaooo |
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| 21:40.17 | HelenB_ | sc_: ? |
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| 21:40.19 | sc_ | beppe: don't do it |
| 21:40.24 | diverdude | hmmm i get an error saying "The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in RAIDOp2 device # at none failed. What does that mean? |
| 21:40.24 | beppe | !list |
| 21:40.24 | dpkg | beppe: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 21:40.27 | sc_ | LOL |
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| 21:40.47 | HelenB_ | sc_: Whyy u saying pls to me for? |
| 21:40.52 | HelenB_ | you want cake? |
| 21:41.00 | sc_ | HelenB_: your cpu does millions of operations in a {second,minute} |
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| 21:41.21 | abrotman | HelenB_: go install it, read the docs .. sitting here goofing off won't get you answers |
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| 21:41.24 | frikinz | HelenB_: apt-get source fake-hwclock |
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| 21:41.32 | HelenB_ | sc_: My CPU usage hits 100% when a website is loaded. |
| 21:41.40 | AimHere | Well In general, I'd say that the limiting bottleneck resource here isn't CPU cycles but attention span of actual people |
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| 21:42.01 | AimHere | But since Helen's CTCP VERSION comes back as -HelenB_- VERSION HelenBot v1.0, I reckon he/she/it might not care too much about that |
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| 21:42.16 | HelenB_ | abrotman: ? |
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| 21:42.25 | HelenB_ | er... |
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| 21:42.26 | HelenB_ | I mean |
| 21:42.26 | abrotman | wow .. |
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| 21:43.07 | tremon | iio7: depending on the init system you're using, you may need to check other locations too (e.g. /etc/event.d for upstart, systemd has locations in both /etc and lib iirc). I'd use find /etc -name mysql |
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| 21:43.38 | iio7 | tremon, alright, thanks! |
| 21:43.55 | diverdude | any1? |
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| 21:44.53 | beppe | ciaooo |
| 21:44.54 | aef | Please help me finding the reason for my I/O latency problem described here: http://serverfault.com/q/453198/50950 |
| 21:44.57 | beppe | !list |
| 21:44.57 | dpkg | beppe: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 21:45.08 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Did you get i3 working the way you want? |
| 21:45.31 | tremon | diverdude: well the error is correct, there is no way to mount a filesystem of type swap. The question is why the installer wants to do that... |
| 21:45.32 | diverdude | hmmm i get an error saying "The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in RAIDOp2 device # at none failed. What does that mean? |
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| 21:45.38 | diverdude | sry |
| 21:45.43 | diverdude | mispressed |
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| 21:45.58 | diverdude | tremon, hmmm yeah |
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| 21:46.22 | tremon | if you can go back to partitioning and just disable that partition for now, you can let the installer finish, then correct manually |
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| 21:47.06 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Make sure you have things set up properly to mount /. You may need to mkswap on that partition before it will work. |
| 21:47.19 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Which is to format it, and it shouldn't take very long. |
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| 21:47.46 | jhutchins_wk | in fact ... you may be able to do that in busybox now without having to backtrack. |
| 21:48.06 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Just be careful you don't have to re-do that 2+ hr format. |
| 21:48.20 | tremon | (alternatively, you may have triggered a bug in the installer -- it's possible to set a mountpoint for a partition, then change the partition to swap. Don't know how much that sequence of events gets tested) |
| 21:48.25 | diverdude | i deleted that swap thing now and probably have to wait all over again now :/ |
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| 21:48.59 | tremon | it shouldn't start over, since you didn't change anything else |
| 21:49.11 | diverdude | yeah it seems to be actually not restarting |
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| 21:49.20 | diverdude | its doing other stuff now |
| 21:49.33 | tremon | that's hopeful |
| 21:49.40 | diverdude | yeah |
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| 21:55.12 | nvz | for whatever ungodly reason when I plug in my ps3 sixaxis controller I get /dev/input/event5 attached to it with permissions for my user and its becoming a huge PITA, does anyone have any idea how to stop this? |
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| 21:55.24 | nvz | the permissions are set via acl |
| 21:55.37 | nvz | I've tried using udev and failed apparently |
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| 21:56.57 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: Why is that a problem? |
| 21:57.06 | Quantum7 | When you dpkg --unpack, where is the package unpacked? |
| 21:57.23 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: because it shows up as a 2nd joystic with the left axis stuck |
| 21:57.37 | nvz | makes most of my windows games unplayable |
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| 21:58.13 | nvz | I can chmod 700 /dev/input/event5 but having to do that when inside a game and the controller comes unplugged is ridiculous |
| 21:59.28 | jhutchins_wk | So why is it stuck? |
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| 21:59.59 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: Pretty sure there's a way to blacklist stuff in udev. |
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| 22:02.14 | frikinz | normally an udev rule with MODE= or GROUP= OWNER= should work |
| 22:02.21 | Quantum7 | Does anyone know, when you dpkg --unpack, where is the package unpacked? |
| 22:02.53 | abrotman | would think to $PWD |
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| 22:03.06 | tremon | Quantum7: the man page seems to suggest in / |
| 22:03.22 | themill | it's just doing the unpack phase of the installation (no configure / trigger phases) |
| 22:04.04 | tremon | wisdom suggests using dpkg-deb -x instead |
| 22:04.08 | Quantum7 | It's not in either. |
| 22:04.13 | frikinz | ar x |
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| 22:05.02 | tremon | frikinz: that's only the first half |
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| 22:05.14 | themill | !wayttd Quantum7 |
| 22:05.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Quantum7? |
| 22:05.38 | frikinz | tremon: yes, I was wondering the difference between ar and dpkg-deb. ? |
| 22:06.05 | Quantum7 | dpkg: Trying to install Skype... which is a hellubva process. |
| 22:06.06 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Quantum7 |
| 22:06.30 | Quantum7 | https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux#2.2 |
| 22:06.37 | themill | Quantum7: what debian release and what architecture? |
| 22:06.44 | tremon | frikinz: dpkg-deb does both the ar x and the tar xz of {data,control}.tar.gz, depending on whether you used -x or -e |
| 22:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | Do they not have a deb repository for skype any more? |
| 22:06.55 | themill | no |
| 22:06.55 | Quantum7 | Testing (current) and amd64. |
| 22:07.14 | diverdude | are they going to make the progress bar so that it counts bit formatted instead of overall steps completed when formatting/partitioning harddisks? |
| 22:07.21 | frikinz | tremon: ah ok. Discovered dpkg-deb today, will stop my archaic methods :) |
| 22:07.25 | diverdude | like a bit more intelligent progress barr |
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| 22:08.03 | themill | Quantum7: so you just need to follow the instructions on the page you linked to, which doesn't involve dpkg --unpack at all |
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| 22:08.47 | tremon | diverdude: it would be a good feature request, but it's quite invasive |
| 22:08.51 | Quantum7 | themill: I am working off of the 6.0 at 64-bit section, and it does. |
| 22:09.02 | themill | Quantum7: except you're not using 6.0, are you? |
| 22:09.12 | diverdude | tremon, yeah its probably very difficult to make right? |
| 22:09.30 | Quantum7 | Well I just need to install Skype! I'm too bust to twiddle bits! |
| 22:09.50 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: They try to keep it simple so there's less to go wrong, but it would seem pretty easy to add a blockcount. I think what you see in the installer is a wrapper that uses parted. |
| 22:09.54 | themill | Quantum7: ummm the page you provided has exactly the instructions you need. |
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| 22:10.17 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Progress bars typically measure progress in what is known as "Microsoft Time". Even in Linux. |
| 22:10.23 | Quantum7 | What does this say: "Open the Debian file with the Archive Manager and unpack the following library into the Skype folder you created in step 2:" |
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| 22:10.56 | themill | Quantum7: that's the instructions for debian 6.0. Are you running debian 6.0? |
| 22:11.13 | Quantum7 | No. But I have no current instructions. |
| 22:11.15 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, hehe ok? microsoft time |
| 22:11.17 | diverdude | ? |
| 22:11.24 | themill | Quantum7: please read the page... |
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| 22:11.28 | Quantum7 | And Skype as is complains about missing libs |
| 22:12.12 | themill | Quantum7: You're running Debian 7.0. Would following the instructions for Debian 7.0 not be a better plan? |
| 22:12.24 | Quantum7 | themill: Just saw that, thanks. |
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| 22:14.57 | Quantum7 | Oh yes, I already tried this: |
| 22:15.00 | Quantum7 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype: |
| 22:15.00 | dpkg | quantum7: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 22:15.00 | Quantum7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.12 | Quantum7 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1966501 |
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| 22:18.17 | themill | what does "apt-get -f install" do? |
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| 22:20.44 | Quantum7 | Skype is busted on Debian 7. |
| 22:20.48 | Quantum7 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1966502 |
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| 22:21.33 | jhutchins_wk | Quantum7: Why do you expect developers to publish software that supports a system that isn't officially released? |
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| 22:22.02 | Quantum7 | jhutchins_wk: I don't know what that means. |
| 22:22.19 | themill | jhutchins_wk: if you read the error, you'll see it's not skype's problem |
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| 22:22.50 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, broken in squeeze too. |
| 22:22.57 | themill | um, no. |
| 22:23.17 | themill | Quantum7: you need to force dpkg to overwrite the changelog or delete the changelog and have another go (what it says on that skype install page) |
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| 22:23.25 | themill | mulitiargh ftl :( |
| 22:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Yup, just tried the instructions on the debian wiki and it requires newer libraries than squeeze has. |
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| 22:24.07 | themill | umm... no. |
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| 22:24.19 | gnarface | multiarch was a great idea except for the part where people expected microsoft and nvidia's development departments to actually care enough not to break it all |
| 22:24.35 | gnarface | woops |
| 22:24.59 | themill | actually, it's the debian end of multiarch that's the problem in all cases not the 3rd party providers |
| 22:25.01 | diverdude | noooo when the installer asks me to install grub loader to the master boot record and i press yes i get an error saying: Unable to install GRUB /dev/sda Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error. What could have caused that? |
| 22:25.10 | jhutchins_wk | themill: http://paste.debian.net/213159/ |
| 22:25.24 | jhutchins_wk | themill: 32b. |
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| 22:26.00 | jhutchins_wk | Now I do have a working installation on my squeeze netbook, but that's from the original skype repo. |
| 22:26.11 | diverdude | in the install log it says /usr/sbin/grub.probe: error: unknown filesystem |
| 22:26.28 | diverdude | and then autodetection of filesystem failed |
| 22:27.02 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Right, if you follow the guide for installing on raid, it says install it to the partition instead of the root, then go back and fix it. |
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| 22:27.27 | diverdude | last log-line is grub-installer: error: Running 'grub-install --no-floppy --force "/dev/sda" failed |
| 22:27.39 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: That or just continue without grub and then reboot to rescue mode and fix it. |
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| 22:27.46 | gnarface | themill: i beg to differ and you're clearly not a nvidia customer, but whatever i'm too bored with it to split hairs all day with you today |
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| 22:27.54 | Quantum7 | I don't know how to force aptitude to install. |
| 22:28.04 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, aha so i need to create a small grub partition? |
| 22:28.18 | themill | jhutchins_wk: sounds like the wiki instructions are out of date then. Perhaps you'd like to update them. |
| 22:28.43 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: I think this is the one: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 22:29.11 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Could well be, perhaps we need to wait for skype to stabilize a bit first. |
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| 22:29.16 | themill | gnarface: all the problems from the last few months that we've been seeing have been packaging problems with other debian libraries not yet being multi-arch'd |
| 22:29.19 | themill | jhutchins_wk: eh? |
| 22:29.40 | themill | jhutchins_wk: the skype web page has very clear and simple instructions on how to install for squeeze. |
| 22:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | See if MS will set up a deb repo. |
| 22:29.49 | gnarface | themill: yea but all the problems *i've* seen involved those other libraries also being the 3rd party vendors's own. |
| 22:30.09 | themill | jhutchins_wk: why would they decide to do that after taking it down over a year ago?> |
| 22:30.35 | jhutchins_wk | themill: No download for Debian 6. |
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| 22:30.56 | themill | jhutchins_wk: please read the instructions. If you can't be bothered updating the wiki, and I'll do it. |
| 22:31.49 | Quantum7 | themill: I can't find how to force dpkg to overwrite the changelog or delete the changelog |
| 22:32.03 | themill | Quantum7: did you do what the skype install page said? |
| 22:32.15 | Quantum7 | Yes and I got this: |
| 22:32.21 | Quantum7 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1966502 |
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| 22:33.20 | themill | Quantum7: they say to remove the offending changelog and then run apt-get -f install again. I can't see the command you ran anywhere on that page. |
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| 22:33.53 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Found the instructions, fine. |
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| 22:35.22 | Quantum7 | Well my battery is about to die. I tried to install skype and it gave: |
| 22:35.23 | Quantum7 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1966511 |
| 22:35.37 | Quantum7 | So that's when I tried to install the lib. |
| 22:36.17 | themill | Quantum7: you have to actually follow the instructions on the website... trying random things isn't going to help here. |
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| 22:37.09 | Quantum7 | Of course I am frantic. ABout to lose my laptop. |
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| 22:37.42 | Quantum7 | themill: OK now it claims to have installed. |
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| 22:38.19 | Quantum7 | It's starting. Thenaks for your help themill. |
| 22:38.24 | Quantum7 | thanks |
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| 22:41.22 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Are you updating the page? |
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| 22:44.05 | jhutchins_wk | Apparently I have two accounts on the wiki. Brilliant. |
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| 22:48.50 | blackshirt | i have successfully build debian linux containers and get the prompt to login and i can login with user root was setup before... but the problem is, lxc-console not bring me to prompt ... any suggestions ? |
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| 22:59.38 | roboman2444 | <roboman2444> can i take the blender screencast output (which streams to a file as ANY format, even jpeg stream) and pipe it to a "fake" webcam that will be recognized by livestream? |
| 22:59.38 | roboman2444 | <roboman2444> webcamstudio doesnt work |
| 22:59.39 | roboman2444 | <roboman2444> i was thinking a /dev/video1 or something |
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| 23:00.48 | jhutchins_wk | roboman2444: Does blender not streamto the web? |
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| 23:01.14 | jhutchins_wk | roboman2444: What are you trying to do? |
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| 23:02.02 | roboman2444 | jhutchins_wk, basically take a jpeg stream and fake it as a webcam |
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| 23:02.43 | gnarface | roboman2444: i think blender uses file handles. unless you have a way to make it dump that jpeg stream to stdout you probably have to create a fifo and do some shell trickery |
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| 23:03.14 | blackshirt | i have successfully build debian linux containers and get the prompt to login and i can login with user root was setup before... but the problem is, lxc-console not bring me to prompt ... any suggestions guys? |
| 23:03.22 | roboman2444 | yea, i was thinking a symlink or fifo or something |
| 23:03.26 | gnarface | roboman2444: although it also supports a python scripting interface; that may be worth looking into |
| 23:03.39 | roboman2444 | although i could dump it directly into /dev/something i think |
| 23:03.47 | gnarface | roboman2444: the python interface may allow you to use python to redirect to stdout, |
| 23:04.00 | roboman2444 | why stdout though? |
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| 23:04.13 | roboman2444 | i want to trick flash into thinking its a webcam device |
| 23:05.02 | gnarface | oh, stdout because last time i was doing this i found that piping the data through ffmpeg to transcode was a vital step for playback through flash from |
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| 23:05.06 | gnarface | from anything really |
| 23:05.40 | gnarface | i was using webcam input not blender though, so you're doing something more difficult |
| 23:06.42 | Infiltrator | woshty: I think it's because if "X" sees another "X" running, it will terminate; but if you have an "X0" and an "X1", then they won't interfere with each other. (Caveat: Don't believe anything I say.) |
| 23:06.45 | roboman2444 | no not playback through flash |
| 23:06.57 | roboman2444 | trick flash into thinking its a webcam |
| 23:07.00 | roboman2444 | so i can use livestream |
| 23:07.25 | gnarface | oh mm |
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| 23:07.44 | gnarface | that sounds tricky. i'd be curious to find out what you come up with |
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| 23:08.58 | gnarface | last i heard though the only publicly available solutions for flash p2p video support were adobe's own flash server and red5 (an open source java monstrosity) |
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| 23:09.10 | roboman2444 | gnarface, nope |
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| 23:09.15 | roboman2444 | ffstreamer can do it |
| 23:09.27 | roboman2444 | but like i was saying |
| 23:09.37 | roboman2444 | the main part is to just... register? it with v4l2 |
| 23:09.50 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, hmmm not really :/ i tried booting in rescue mode but no luck |
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| 23:09.58 | gnarface | roboman2444: ffstreamer didn't work for me in 2007 ... i wish you luck. |
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| 23:10.14 | roboman2444 | ffstreamer worked for my back when i was a linux noob |
| 23:10.22 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, maybe i should start over |
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| 23:11.04 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, so i need to create a grb_bootloader partition then right? |
| 23:11.12 | diverdude | grub |
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| 23:13.11 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, are you there? |
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| 23:18.22 | themill | jhutchins_wk: if you have a squeeze machine to test this on, please do update it. I'm on the road atm so would be doing it blind. Fleshing out the details for actually untarring the thing after wget -O skype.tar.bz2 http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-dynamic would be good. |
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