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| 00:14.27 | ws | a newbie question: when I'm using aptitude, it ofte says 'The following NEW packages will be installed:' followed by names of some packages. What does {a} mean in these names? |
| 00:14.52 | ws | 'add'? like, otherwise it's just an update? |
| 00:15.21 | themill | automatically installed |
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| 00:32.53 | ws | themill: thank you |
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| 00:41.59 | GTRsdk | It appears my Debian chroot can't resolve domains. (ping google.com does not work, but ping 8.8.8.8 does). Anyone know of a fix? |
| 00:42.16 | GTRsdk | and the host OS can go to google.com, in case you're wondering |
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| 00:42.43 | petemc | GTRsdk: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:43.06 | epsilon | copy that file from host to chroot |
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| 00:44.36 | Justin | and make sure the permissions are not 0600 :) |
| 00:44.37 | mooglenorph | Hi. I have a debian stable laptop without a cdrom drive. What's the best external CD drive to buy for ripping CD's? |
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| 00:44.41 | GTRsdk | Thanks! :-) |
| 00:45.10 | mooglenorph | I just want something that works well with linux, manufacturers never list that |
| 00:45.11 | dondelelcaro | mooglenorph: pretty much anything will work |
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| 00:45.34 | dondelelcaro | mooglenorph: USB cdrom devices are pretty standardized, so you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesn't work |
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| 00:45.42 | epsilon | mooglenorph: doesnt care which one, they all come from china |
| 00:45.50 | mooglenorph | dondelelcaro: I bought this: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Writer-External-Optical-Drive/dp/B003M0NT1M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354149933&sr=8-2&keywords=amazonbasics+cd+rom |
| 00:46.07 | mooglenorph | And it worked literally 17 times. Ripped 17 cd's with it. |
| 00:46.26 | mooglenorph | I changed nothing, rebooted, unplugged it, and it doesn't recognize CD's anymore. |
| 00:46.40 | gnarface | under warranty? |
| 00:46.46 | mooglenorph | gnarface: unfortunately, no |
| 00:46.57 | dondelelcaro | mooglenorph: not unusual for cdrom drives to fail, unfortunately... |
| 00:47.00 | gnarface | really? isn't there a government standard 30 days or something? |
| 00:47.20 | mooglenorph | gnarface: It took me a while to rip those 17 CD's. I got it like 3 months ago. |
| 00:47.56 | mooglenorph | I've been very slowly bringing CD's into work, ripping one, taking it home. Forgetting to do that again for days. Etc. |
| 00:47.56 | gnarface | mooglenorph: in the old days you could buy a kit to realign the drive heads... |
| 00:48.19 | gnarface | could be sabotage |
| 00:48.32 | gnarface | doesn't work on other machines either, right? |
| 00:48.35 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.27 | epsilon | other option is to take usual sata-cdrom if your notebook supports esata |
| 00:50.32 | mooglenorph | gnarface: yeah, it doesn't work on other machines. Tried it on my other laptop and someone else's. |
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| 00:51.04 | mooglenorph | Ugh. So all drives are basically the same level of terrible and/or "works with linux"? |
| 00:51.39 | gnarface | usb drives should be very standardized... |
| 00:51.48 | gnarface | i'd avoid the ones that just list the company as "china" |
| 00:51.52 | mooglenorph | Heh. |
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| 00:52.27 | gnarface | most *other* manufacturers can be trusted to follow the usb spec |
| 00:52.56 | gnarface | i have had problems with the more generic all-in-one card readers and such though |
| 00:53.16 | gnarface | (locking terminals, io locking X/the kernel, etc) |
| 00:53.34 | mooglenorph | Ew. |
| 00:53.40 | gnarface | especially when combined with udisks-daemon, unfortunately |
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| 00:54.27 | gnarface | once i figured out the scenario that creates a 60% chance of locking i can avoid it |
| 00:55.06 | gnarface | but i'd recommend buying stuff that's brand name... phillips makes really good optical drives. they created the original CD-rom spec so they don't trod on it |
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| 01:16.40 | TeraQuibbler | i3 or qtile or scrotwm. I am down to those. Which to pick and why? |
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| 01:17.48 | themill | TeraQuibbler: only you can know how you like to interact with your machine. Install them all and try them out |
| 01:17.51 | ecther | dwm |
| 01:19.43 | TeraQuibbler | themill: i was talking featurewise and easy wise |
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| 01:20.04 | abrotman | you still have to try them yourself |
| 01:20.09 | themill | same story. (also the chance of anyone here having used them is slim) |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | important features to one may not be important to others |
| 01:20.33 | themill | ,popcon qtile |
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| 01:20.35 | judd | Popcon data for qtile: inst: 4, vote: 0, old: 3, recent: 1, nofiles: 0 |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:20.39 | themill | ('nuff said) |
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| 01:21.08 | TeraQuibbler | ,popcon scrotwm |
| 01:21.10 | judd | Popcon data for scrotwm: inst: 77, vote: 17, old: 57, recent: 3, nofiles: 0 |
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| 01:21.23 | TeraQuibbler | ,popcon i3 |
| 01:21.24 | judd | Popcon data for i3: inst: 477, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 477 |
| 01:21.28 | TeraQuibbler | i3 is the winner |
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| 01:21.30 | TeraQuibbler | izzy |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | oh yeah .. winner .. |
| 01:22.13 | themill | well, if you're going to go by popcon results, there are plenty of more popular desktops. (you can also /msg judd popcon $package) |
| 01:22.34 | kpwn | hi |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | is i3 the same as ion3, and still developed by the same guy? |
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| 01:23.43 | TeraQuibbler | themill: what are the votes about? |
| 01:23.50 | themill | dpkg: tell TeraQuibbler about popcon |
| 01:23.56 | TeraQuibbler | ,popcon spectrwm |
| 01:23.58 | judd | Popcon data for spectrwm: inst: 115, vote: 24, old: 81, recent: 10, nofiles: 0 |
| 01:24.06 | TeraQuibbler | spectrwm has the most votes |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | or keep doing it in the channel after we ask you to msg the bot ... |
| 01:24.12 | TeraQuibbler | means most people liked them? |
| 01:24.25 | TeraQuibbler | abrotman: k i will |
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| 01:50.28 | papangue | hi |
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| 02:28.41 | unholycrab | how can i tell WHEN a package was installed/ |
| 02:28.45 | unholycrab | is that even possible? |
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| 02:29.30 | petemc | dpkg.log maybe |
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| 02:30.28 | petemc | if thats rotated, you can try timestamps for docs etc, not guaranteed to be accurate tho |
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| 02:31.46 | wjtaylor | How can I create a user that cannot login (only use SAMBA)? Just remove their logon shell? |
| 02:32.00 | petemc | smbpasswd |
| 02:32.11 | unholycrab | nice. |
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| 02:38.53 | codygman | Any easy way to stream line in audio in debian? |
| 02:40.41 | petemc | codygman: pulse can do that |
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| 02:42.36 | GTRsdk | Hey guys. Anyone know how to fix /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off in chroots? |
| 02:42.51 | GTRsdk | err... I'll put quotes aronud that |
| 02:43.00 | GTRsdk | Hey guys. Anyone know how to fix "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" in chroots? |
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| 02:44.43 | themill | GTRsdk: bind mounting /dev/pts into the chroot |
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| 02:45.53 | leo-unglaub | i have just upgraded from dovecot 1 to 2 |
| 02:46.05 | leo-unglaub | and i have troubles logging in to my mailbox |
| 02:46.13 | leo-unglaub | anyone here who can help me with dovecot? |
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| 03:39.46 | fedya | for some reason when i do: dpkg -k '*ftp*' it still shows packages that I just removed, with status "deinstall" |
| 03:40.22 | fedya | is there some command to sync the dpkg and apt-get databases? I was always under the impression that they used the same db |
| 03:40.35 | berto- | fedya: apt-get update ? |
| 03:40.47 | themill | fedya: -k? you mean -l, I assume? |
| 03:40.51 | themill | dpkg: tell fedya about purge |
| 03:41.03 | fedya | yea i meant -l sorry :( |
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| 03:41.12 | fedya | i used purge |
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| 03:42.33 | berto- | i'm looking at a project with an unmaintained debian/ directory and i'm trying to revive it. it has a bunch of control files (debian/control.foo debian/control.bar). i'm pretty new to debian packaging and have only ever worked with a single debian/control file. is this convention supported by the packaging tools and if so, how do i tell it which control file to use? |
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| 03:43.22 | sney | berto-: probably better asked in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. also read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 03:43.26 | themill | berto-: is this package using cdbs? (there might be a rule in debian/rules that makes the single debian/control out of the pieces -- this is only done when there are lots of variants on the same basic package) |
| 03:43.30 | fedya | themill: OHHH note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead |
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| 03:44.04 | themill | fedya: I know, I wrote that. |
| 03:44.40 | fedya | i was trying to apt-get purge them, that's why it didn't work, unfortunately it seems that aptitude just froze up on me |
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| 03:45.27 | fedya | ssh must have booted me out |
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| 03:48.29 | Infiltrator | fedya: Always a good idea to screen apt* sessions if you're not local. :) |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | or any session if you're not local ? |
| 03:50.21 | fedya | Setting up udev (151-12.3) ... keeps freezing up it seems like |
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| 03:52.43 | berto- | sney: checking it out, thanks. |
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| 03:53.26 | berto- | themill: good question about cdbs; i have no idea nor do i know how to check. i've been reading and following docs that use debuild; is cubs the way to go? |
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| 03:54.27 | berto- | themill: looks like the rules files follow the same convention (rules.all, rules.core, etc.) |
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| 03:55.32 | fedya | is there a way to rollback to the previous update |
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| 03:55.48 | fedya | or upgrade rather, it seems like i downloaded some conflicting package with an upgrade |
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| 03:56.35 | sney | fedya: apt doesn't support downgrades. |
| 03:56.40 | sney | !tell fedya about bat |
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| 04:05.48 | themill | berto-: you'd find cdbs in the build-depends debian/control. If it's using cdbs, and you're decrufting an old project, I'd highly recommend getting rid of cdbs. |
| 04:06.25 | berto- | themill: good news, no cubs! |
| 04:06.42 | berto- | i also discovered a makedeb.sh helper that handles the suffix magic. |
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| 04:06.57 | berto- | i'm going to see into standardizing this thing. |
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| 04:07.15 | themill | what package is this, btw? |
| 04:08.29 | themill | fedya: no version of debian actually has that version of udev. What are you actually running there? |
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| 04:09.15 | fedya | turnkey |
| 04:09.30 | fedya | i'm not too happy about this.. |
| 04:10.37 | sney | !turnkey |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | TurnKey Linux is a project providing ready-to-use "virtual appliances" packaged as live CDs, which are based on <Ubuntu> 8.04.3 LTS. TurnKey Linux appliances are not supported in #debian. http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ #turnkey on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 04:10.41 | fedya | i wanted to add some bashrc settings and then found all kind of stuff thrown about the server and stray users, i was just trying to work on a simple html page |
| 04:10.55 | fedya | oh neat, didn't know they had a channel |
| 04:11.01 | themill | Asking #turnkey about their udev package would be better then. We can only support debian in #debian. |
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| 04:20.40 | boudiccas | ,v claws mail |
| 04:20.41 | judd | No package named 'claws' was found in i386. |
| 04:20.52 | boudiccas | ,v claws-mail |
| 04:20.53 | judd | Package: claws-mail on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.0-2.1; lenny-backports: 3.7.6-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.7.6-4; sid: 3.8.1-2; wheezy: 3.8.1-2; experimental: 3.9.0-1 |
| 04:24.21 | cozzie | I have a debian server with many clients, any ideas on how to disable: lastlogin, who, last <user> from anyone who isn't root |
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| 04:28.26 | fedya | themill: is there a way to downgrade to a previous version? |
| 04:29.07 | themill | please work that out with the turnkey people -- for something like a locally modified udev, you want to get help from your distribution |
| 04:30.42 | fedya | there's no one on that channel... |
| 04:31.00 | themill | best try their mailing list of forum or something then. |
| 04:31.30 | fedya | i wish i'd never run the apt-get upgrade… i just need to uninstall this or something |
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| 04:35.44 | fedya | got it: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/forum/support/20100928/tkl-lucid-core-apt-get-upgrade-freeze-installing-udev-151-121#comment-7249 it wasn't restarting |
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| 05:08.10 | chovy | what is the point of changing ssh port number? |
| 05:08.31 | sney | so bots don't try to bruteforce your ssh server |
| 05:08.57 | damacus | security through obscurity, can improve signal to noise ratio on an IDS too |
| 05:09.00 | sney | or at least so it's less likely. this is only relevant in public facing interfaces |
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| 05:28.34 | codygman | What are the advantages of pulseaudio over alsa. Is alsa really more stable? I've heard there are lots of bugs for pulseaudio. |
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| 05:31.04 | chovy | damacus: why would a bot try to bruteforce me? it wouldn't know what user to use |
| 05:31.43 | stew | chovy: why? in order to find an account on your machine. they also wouldn't know what password to use |
| 05:32.21 | stew | codygman: since most people using pulse are still using alsa, i would guess it is strictly less stable, but i haven't really hard much in the way of stability problems for either |
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| 05:33.24 | stew | codygman: its not like you use pulse OR alsa, its like you use alsa alone, or you have alsa redirect audio into pulse, which eventually renders the sound by talking to an alsa driver (in the typical scenario) |
| 05:33.55 | boudiccas | codygman: i use both on wheezy, but i have no way of knowing whioch is which, they both just work |
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| 05:34.46 | chovy | stew: ok, im seeing root login attemps on my box |
| 05:34.58 | chovy | looks like port scanning. but they always try a different port |
| 05:35.28 | stew | welcome to the internet |
| 05:35.46 | stew | but, if its always a different port, how are you determining it is a root login attempt? |
| 05:35.52 | stew | unless you mean source port |
| 05:36.24 | chovy | Failed password for root from 94.102.103.11 port 52300 ssh2 |
| 05:36.36 | chovy | that's what i see in auth.log |
| 05:36.49 | stew | that port is the port on their machine, not yours |
| 05:36.54 | chovy | oh |
| 05:36.59 | chovy | why do they do that? |
| 05:37.05 | sney | disabling root logins on ssh is a good security measure as well. authorized users can always just su |
| 05:37.18 | stew | chovy: hoping to guess a root password so that they can use your box |
| 05:38.48 | chovy | yeah |
| 05:38.52 | chovy | i see. what should i do |
| 05:39.23 | stew | chovy: is password based root login allowed on your machine? |
| 05:39.27 | sney | as long as your root password is unguessable you can usually ignore it. it does happen to everyone |
| 05:39.28 | stew | is the password strong? |
| 05:39.41 | chovy | yes |
| 05:40.16 | chovy | i can login w/ password as root |
| 05:40.34 | stew | do you have a strong password? |
| 05:40.35 | chovy | it isn't very strong, 3 days with john |
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| 05:41.18 | stew | so john can try what, like 10s of thousands of attempts per second? |
| 05:41.27 | chovy | i think so |
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| 05:41.57 | stew | and these guys are trying, what? a couple per second? |
| 05:42.02 | chovy | yeah |
| 05:42.19 | chovy | one every few seconds |
| 05:42.26 | chovy | i don't think they will guess it |
| 05:42.33 | chovy | unless my password was 'password' |
| 05:42.38 | stew | so curl up with a good book for the next couple of thousand says, then, perhaps, think about switching to a stronger password |
| 05:43.00 | stew | if it were "password" john would get it in the first second |
| 05:43.20 | chovy | ok, should i change my port though that ssh listens on? |
| 05:43.35 | stew | that's up to you |
| 05:43.55 | stew | not as a security measure |
| 05:44.00 | chovy | ok |
| 05:44.10 | chovy | it'll stop the scans |
| 05:44.10 | stew | perhaps as a "lessen how much of this stuff ends up in my logs" |
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| 05:44.19 | stew | lessen, not stop |
| 05:44.22 | chovy | yeah. i don't know if there's any real harm. |
| 05:44.27 | stew | in what? |
| 05:44.38 | chovy | in having these in my logs or someone hitting my ssh server repeatedly. |
| 05:44.50 | stew | the harm is when they guess the right password |
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| 05:45.02 | chovy | yeah |
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| 05:45.45 | stew | changing ports to prevent this is weak, making sure you have a strong password, or even better: only allowing key based login is the way to go |
| 05:46.22 | chovy | stew: ok, i'm afraid if i disallow password login i might get locked out sometime down the road. |
| 05:47.04 | stew | you can always login as root from the console |
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| 05:47.30 | chovy | console? |
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| 05:47.37 | stew | with init=/bin/sh or similar |
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| 05:48.20 | stew | chovy: like when grub boots, you edit the kernel command line it is going to boot to contain "init=/bin/sh" and you can get in without a password |
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| 05:49.39 | chovy | i see |
| 05:49.54 | chovy | ok, i disabled root login. |
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| 05:50.04 | g_r_eek | anyone can help me with some linux knowledge? after cloning my sd card image it seems to have the hw address of the eth0 of the previous machine, is there an easy way to recreate the network scripts to assign the right (new) hw address to eth0? |
| 05:50.13 | chovy | i guess i should add my keys to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 05:50.43 | stew | there is no point in doing that if root login isn't permitted |
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| 05:51.09 | chovy | i added this: PermitRootLogin without-password |
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| 05:51.26 | stew | ah |
| 05:51.35 | chovy | i don't know if i've ever need to ssh as root, maybe once. |
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| 05:51.58 | chovy | i'm more worried about someone getting my keys |
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| 05:52.15 | chovy | if another serer is compromised, and then logging in as root. I've had that happen to me. |
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| 06:02.27 | stew | chovy: if another server is compromised? you wouldn't have your keys on a server |
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| 06:02.38 | stew | your keys stay on your locally trusted machine |
| 06:03.56 | alusion | Anyone good with bash scriptin? |
| 06:04.19 | Dan39 | alusion: ?? |
| 06:04.32 | Dan39 | this is #debian so im sure there are |
| 06:04.36 | Dan39 | just ask already lol |
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| 06:05.05 | alusion | http://pastebin.com/hLcSL7U3 |
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| 06:05.17 | alusion | Getting a syntax error |
| 06:05.18 | alusion | Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") |
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| 06:06.04 | stew | which wheel are we reinventing here? |
| 06:06.10 | stew | alusion: what is the goal? |
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| 06:07.40 | alusion | um.. it's my friends script. I'm guessing it's a basic macspoofer? |
| 06:08.02 | chovy | stew: what if i go from one machine to another with .ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 06:08.02 | alusion | "it will eventually to put all the wifi interfaces down change there nac addy then creat a monitor channel for all then change rx tx vaules then put all interfaces back up" |
| 06:08.08 | chovy | and someone gets ahold of that. |
| 06:08.14 | stew | chovy: don't |
| 06:08.19 | Dan39 | alusion: line 15 what is that done doing there o_O |
| 06:08.50 | stew | alusion: why bother taking the interfaces down |
| 06:09.12 | stew | alusion: instead of just runnning "ip link set addr whatever dev wlan0" |
| 06:09.31 | alusion | Dan39, just wondering -- what editor do you use? |
| 06:09.37 | stew | chovy: what is the situation where you are loggin in from one machine to the other? |
| 06:09.43 | Dan39 | alusion: vim |
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| 06:10.57 | Dan39 | and why is there a ; at end of every line haha |
| 06:11.20 | alusion | Dan39, it's his first bash script |
| 06:11.48 | Dan39 | not sure if line 2 will work like you want |
| 06:11.52 | alusion | what do you mean ip link btw? |
| 06:12.34 | Dan39 | thats command |
| 06:12.41 | alusion | hmm how would you change line two? |
| 06:12.58 | Dan39 | like line 17/18 i guess, tho it might work, just run some tests |
| 06:14.34 | Dan39 | it works |
| 06:14.41 | Dan39 | so you can leave it |
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| 06:24.19 | stew | alusion: i would change the entire script to "ip link set addr 00:11:23:32:11:00 dev wlan0 ; ip link set addr 00:11:23:32:11:00 dev mon0" unless there is a reason to do the rest of this stuff |
| 06:24.19 | stew | alusion: in not sure why you bother to bring the interface down and back up |
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| 06:24.20 | Dan39 | stew: that sets mac? |
| 06:24.20 | stew | Dan39: in his script? |
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| 06:24.23 | Dan39 | stew: no, i mean those ip lines you pasted |
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| 06:24.53 | ranjan | Hi all, how can i get the license of all the packages installed in my system? |
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| 06:25.19 | stew | Dan39: those ip lines I pasted |
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| 06:25.56 | engla_ | ranjan: copyright information is in /usr/share/<package>/doc/copyright |
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| 06:26.22 | engla_ | I mean /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright |
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| 06:27.08 | chovy | stew: i have a few servers i jump around to |
| 06:27.41 | ranjan | engla_, but isnt there something similar to rpms' like rpm -qa --qf '%{NAME}, %{License}' |
| 06:27.42 | ranjan | engla_, is there any software i can use to fetch the license of entire packages? |
| 06:29.22 | stew | chovy: why jump from server to server instead of always from your local machine to server? |
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| 06:30.38 | stew | ranjan: that rpm command gives you a very naïve idea of the license, look at the copyright files from some debian package, it is rarely a very statement |
| 06:31.13 | alusion | are the semi colons or brackets right stew? |
| 06:31.16 | alusion | like basics |
| 06:31.28 | stew | alusion: huh? |
| 06:31.33 | initself | i just added two disks to my system. There's already a 4 disk RAID 0+1 here: |
| 06:31.34 | initself | /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 135286732 108276240 20138292 85% / |
| 06:31.47 | ranjan | stew, we are moving to linux adoption and the licensing part is a bit serious. is there any free license managers available which fetches all the licenses from a desktop machine? |
| 06:31.52 | initself | how can i find what /dev the two new disks are under? |
| 06:31.57 | alusion | blah nvm I'm really tired. unetbootin isn't working on my machine either o_O |
| 06:32.01 | initself | so i can format them |
| 06:32.11 | stew | ranjan: cat /usr/share/doc/*/copyright |
| 06:32.26 | stew | ranjan: every package MUST provide this file on debian |
| 06:33.29 | stew | alusion: why would you use unetbootin? what os are you installing? |
| 06:34.26 | ranjan | stew, ok |
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| 06:34.33 | alusion | stew, .... windows... |
| 06:34.33 | stew | ranjan: is there some general concern you have about licensing? |
| 06:34.41 | initself | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/disk-information-when-raid-is-enabled-725842/ is helping me |
| 06:34.52 | stew | ah |
| 06:35.03 | stew | I didn't even know you could use unetbooting to install windows |
| 06:35.16 | ranjan | stew, there are some proprietary softwares that is installed in some machines and need to track it for audit and compliance |
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| 06:35.19 | stew | ranjan: are you planning on redistributing software? |
| 06:35.30 | ranjan | stew, no, |
| 06:35.52 | engla_ | ranjan: not sure if every package has a machine parsable copyright file. Also, no interpretation is provided (as in "this combination of files in packages X are distributable under license Y when taken as a whole") |
| 06:36.06 | stew | ranjan: oh, you are asking about licenses of software that doesn't come from debian? |
| 06:36.14 | ranjan | stew, yes |
| 06:36.15 | engla_ | (since the parts of the package might have different licenses) |
| 06:36.28 | stew | engla_: certainly not every package has a maching parsable copyright file (thankfully) |
| 06:36.38 | engla_ | ok |
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| 06:37.40 | ranjan | stew, now i am responsible to take the software inventory and need to get the license of all the packages that is installed. |
| 06:37.58 | stew | ranjan: well the debian policy is that they be explicit about this in /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright, but for non-debian software there is probably nobody making sure they enforce our policies |
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| 06:39.09 | stew | i suppose it is the same with redhat, if you are looking at proprietary software, you just have to trust that the license statement is accurate, and there you are trusting perhaps some random third party |
| 06:39.14 | ranjan | stew, its ok. But this software seems to serve the exact purpose http://protecode.com/index.php/protecode-system-4/overview |
| 06:39.41 | ranjan | stew, if i am not wrong |
| 06:39.52 | stew | the last time I looked at the mint distribution packages they were claiming that the non-free nvidia drivers were owned by the guy that started mint and gpl, but that was certainly a fabrication... |
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| 06:41.24 | stew | ranjan: speaking as somone who is on the team on debian that is responsible for auditing these copyright files, I can say that what this company is claiming to do is not possible to be automated |
| 06:41.40 | stew | it must be manually done by people acutally looking manually through the source code |
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| 06:42.08 | ranjan | stew, OMG you belong to the debian team |
| 06:42.19 | chovy | stew: sometimes i need to transfer files between servers |
| 06:42.19 | stew | yes |
| 06:42.42 | ranjan | stew, thank god :) i am talking with the right person. |
| 06:43.10 | ranjan | stew, now can you tell me how we should do the software inventory and licensing in linux. |
| 06:43.40 | stew | ranjan: yes, and I'm one of the (6? or so) people that manually inspect packages to make sure their copyright files are accurate. and there is no possible way to do this without a human tediously looking through the source code |
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| 06:46.11 | engla_ | stew: just curious, how closely do you inspect source files? |
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| 06:48.30 | stew | ranjan: you review the debian free software guidelines and verify that you are okay with using any software which is complying with these guidelines, which should be any software which is in debian's free or contrib repositores. anything that comes from debian's non-free repositories, you look at the copyright file. anything that doesn't come from debian, you look at the source and try to figure out who owns the software and where it originated |
| 06:48.31 | stew | and what license it is distrubuted under |
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| 06:48.31 | stew | and when someone gives you some software with a license file that says "this software is all GPL" you don't believe it. you go looking through the source, and WAY to often you find out that there is tons of other stuff |
| 06:48.31 | stew | like "I copied this from a book I read", which is problematic |
| 06:48.31 | stew | or just "derived from this other project..." which might not be GPL and might not be GPL compatible |
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| 06:49.01 | stew | and then you find files that were obviously taken from somehwere else, are not originally part of this project, and have a copyright but no license... and you have no idea what the legality is |
| 06:49.02 | stew | and this is all way too common |
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| 06:51.17 | chovy | are there any free shell networks on freenode? |
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| 06:57.26 | stew | engla_: sorry, i missed you question before |
| 06:57.35 | stew | we look at every file from top to bottom |
| 06:57.44 | stew | well, media files are tough |
| 06:58.08 | engla_ | it's interesting, I didn't think it was so thorough |
| 06:58.16 | stew | since we are looking at them on a remote machine, and distributing them to another machine to view the media before we know if they are distributable is a problem |
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| 06:58.29 | stew | engla_: it is for packages which are newly hitting the archive |
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| 06:58.57 | stew | packages hit the NEW queue again if they do somehting like add a new binary package, but those don't all get a thorough re-inspection |
| 06:59.04 | stew | they get randomly spot-checked |
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| 06:59.27 | stew | engla_: but yes, this is why the NEW queue sometimes takes months to get packages through |
| 06:59.49 | stew | it hasn't been so bad recently (no thanks to me, since I've been slacking since i'm now a father) |
| 07:00.11 | stew | engla_: here is the current queue of packages waiting inspection: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 07:00.36 | stew | engla_: though note that now that we are in freeze, there are packages there that are being held up from us approving them becuase of the freeze |
| 07:00.59 | stew | engla_: and that some of the older ones in the queue might be waiting on something from a third party |
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| 07:01.16 | stew | like we find a problem, and we are awaiting some kind of confirmation from the copyright holders |
| 07:02.01 | engla_ | I see. not much interesting stuff in new at the moment |
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| 07:02.34 | dondelelcaro | and of course, this also assumes that the maintainer actually checks when a new upstream version adds new files |
| 07:02.47 | dondelelcaro | hopefully that's the case, but sometimes things slip through |
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| 07:03.08 | stew | right |
| 07:03.36 | stew | which is often NOT the case, and these thing are caught only when someone else brings them up to us |
| 07:04.09 | stew | or we catch them in a spot check when we are feeling extra bored when looking at a soname bump |
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| 07:05.28 | stew | engla_: if you are interested in how it actually happens, all of us are acutally using mc with the right pane set to quick view, which lets you scan down a list of files in a directry very quicky and lets you drill down into .tar.gz or zip or other archive files recursively |
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| 07:05.46 | stew | so we can scan things pretty fast. |
| 07:05.59 | KaKila | is UEFIED!!! HATE HATE |
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| 07:06.15 | stew | eh? |
| 07:06.22 | wols_ | so there is no automation whatsoever? not even a "check if the 1000 other files of this project are the same as this one"? |
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| 07:06.50 | KaKila | Hi got this new notebook, the damn thing is W8 certified (wasn't clear in the description). Is there a reasonable solution to the UEFI problem or it is just better that I give the machine back? |
| 07:06.54 | stew | wols_: no, but if there was a package which had 1000 identical files it would be an easy reject |
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| 07:07.10 | dondelelcaro | wols_: there are some automated tools, but they're not accurate |
| 07:07.19 | stew | we don't trust them |
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| 07:07.44 | dondelelcaro | wols_: those tools are usually used as a starting point to figure out what is documented and what isn't |
| 07:07.45 | wols_ | didn't mean 1000 identical files but identical copyright notices. sorry for not being clear |
| 07:08.59 | engla_ | stew: what do you think about copyright notices in every file? Is it really needed or does a central file serve well? |
| 07:09.47 | dondelelcaro | engla_: in every file is really needed. |
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| 07:10.25 | dondelelcaro | engla_: because projects get forked, parts get migrated, licences change, and not every contributor to the project has touched every single file. |
| 07:10.41 | dondelelcaro | engla_: about the only exception to this are projects which have rigorously required copyright assignment |
| 07:10.50 | engla_ | ok |
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| 07:11.10 | engla_ | so not only the std gpl header but also author list in each file? |
| 07:11.14 | dondelelcaro | (and AFAIK, only the GNU projects really do that, and they almost always have per-source file documentation) |
| 07:11.16 | engla_ | that's often unworkable |
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| 07:11.36 | dondelelcaro | engla_: not really; someone makes a change to the file that is copyrightable; they add their name to the file. |
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| 07:11.59 | dondelelcaro | unless the project is really huge, it's often not that many people |
| 07:11.59 | engla_ | that doesn't normally happen |
| 07:12.25 | dondelelcaro | well, modern projects which have distributed VCS which track who did what change can also produce this information |
| 07:12.34 | dondelelcaro | so that would also be ok |
| 07:12.52 | engla_ | but that information is not carried on in the tarball? |
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| 07:14.42 | dondelelcaro | engla_: it could be automatically generated pretty easily |
| 07:15.07 | stew | engla_: we are fine with a central file when it all comes from one author, or it seems clear that all the contributions were clearly made to this project. when you get a project with on copyright/license file but its clear that the software is a hodge-podge of software from different authors/projects, then that single copyright statement holds less weight |
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| 07:18.00 | stew | i've caught a bunch of errors this way. you look at all the source files and they all seem similar, but one sticks out as being way different, in its commenting style, formatting style, whatever. then you grab a random string from the file and stick it in google and quickly figure out it was pilfered from some other project with a completely different license, but with no attribution |
| 07:18.24 | engla_ | I can imagine that |
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| 07:18.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps what package does the perl rename come in ? |
| 07:19.46 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: perl |
| 07:19.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 07:21.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah something wrong tried to open up the rename man page and its a broken symlink weird reinstalleding perl now |
| 07:21.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | reinstalling lol |
| 07:21.49 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: you can try "sudo update-alternatives --config rename" |
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| 07:23.00 | aleksandar | Hey, I have this issue when I rightclick somewhere to get a option menu, I can right click on the menu to "trigger" it rather than having to left click. Is there any way to disable this behaviour? |
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| 07:30.31 | KaKila | Anybody has noews on this http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/linux-foundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-for-open-source/ |
| 07:30.48 | bolt | linux user sees all the beautiful desktops people have. linux user sees the fight between gnome/kde/everything. linux user installs what he wants. linux user then proceeds to ask question relevant to his particular choice of desktop environment without specifying which one he's using |
| 07:30.53 | bolt | punches linux user. |
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| 07:36.43 | KaKila | help with UEFI! |
| 07:36.46 | HelenB_ | er... |
| 07:36.47 | HelenB_ | :o |
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| 07:38.16 | chovy | can someone help me out with this tunnel? When i do 'ssh -N -D 9800 host' i can tunnel just fine, but on another machine, say host2, I get this error: channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
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| 07:48.40 | Joshy- | deb ee aaaaan |
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| 07:50.36 | nerd | is cpanel supported on debain ? |
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| 07:51.59 | bolt | nerd: no. |
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| 07:52.19 | nerd | :( is their any other alternative to it ? |
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| 07:53.00 | bolt | actually figuring out how to configure your system is an alternative. but i think cpanel might support cpanel on debian. it's just not supported on #debian |
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| 07:54.21 | Joshy- | cpanel is a centos kiss up panel |
| 07:55.20 | swi | Hello. What happen with java in sid? |
| 07:55.41 | nkuttler | swi: why do you ask? |
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| 07:56.00 | nerd | ok |
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| 07:57.39 | swi | nkuttler: because full-upgrade what to remove all the java and depended on it packages :) it says that ca-certificates broke ca-certificates-java |
| 07:58.01 | nkuttler | swi: welcome to unstable.. |
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| 07:58.38 | swi | nkuttler: i know it's unstable. i'm asking what happens? :) |
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| 07:59.10 | nkuttler | swi: pastebin the whole error |
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| 07:59.49 | swi | nkuttler: http://dpaste.com/838844/ |
| 08:00.43 | swi | i'v had similar trouble with virt-viewer some days ago, but it was solved by installing newer virt-viewer from experimental |
| 08:00.46 | nkuttler | swi: well looks like some dependency is not available. that's a normal thing on sid |
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| 08:00.52 | nkuttler | .oO |
| 08:00.55 | jagginess | use the make-jpkg if you want to use the latest oracle's java |
| 08:01.07 | nkuttler | swi: #debian-next on the oftc irc network is for sid support, please join there |
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| 08:01.30 | swi | nkuttler: oh. so this channel for stable only ? :) |
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| 08:02.07 | jagginess | ( http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage ) |
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| 08:02.58 | swi | jagginess: i'm using openjdk |
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| 08:03.15 | swi | jagginess: i mean i'm using libreoffice and it install what it need :) |
| 08:03.21 | jagginess | swi, but is that what you want to use? then that's fine.. (i prefer to use oracle's java for something) |
| 08:03.45 | swi | jagginess: i prefer not to use java as long as possible :) |
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| 08:19.39 | somiaj | swi: no this channel is for any version of debian, though the offical irc network for debian is irc.oftc.net and there is a #debian-next there only for testing/unstable. But if you have wheezy/sid questions feel free to ask them here. |
| 08:20.16 | swi | somiaj: i see. thanks a lot :) |
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| 08:22.26 | somiaj | swi: can you just remove the ca-certificates-java package, that seems to be your problem package in that upgrade |
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| 08:29.11 | KaKila | carandraug: ok, fury is going away... I will test wheezy beta installer |
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| 08:31.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i keep getting a weird error for man man info |
| 08:31.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | man: can't execute pager: No such file or directory |
| 08:31.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | man: command exited with status 255: pager -s |
| 08:32.45 | swi | somiaj: if i remove it removes all tha java as well |
| 08:33.14 | swi | somiaj: it seems i need to wait a little :) |
| 08:33.25 | somiaj | swi: ahh didn't know java was dependent on that....another suggestion is hold ca-certificates back to a version that doens't break ca-certificates-java |
| 08:33.32 | nkuttler | Eryn_1983_FL: sounds like your alternatives are broken |
| 08:33.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol. how do i reinstall em ? |
| 08:33.45 | somiaj | swi: echo ca-certificates hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:34.02 | nkuttler | Eryn_1983_FL: you can try PAGER=less man foo, and see man update-alternatives i guess |
| 08:34.38 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: or look at ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 08:34.40 | swi | somiaj: it the same as aptitude upgrade :) |
| 08:34.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | that worked.. |
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| 08:35.20 | swi | btw, where can i found what type of digital pens (graphic tablets) works with debian? |
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| 08:35.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | opp, i know what i did.. i over wrote /etc/alteratives with my porevious install.. |
| 08:35.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | fuuuu |
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| 08:36.11 | somiaj | swi: the debian wiki usually has decent info on if a device is supported |
| 08:36.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to go change that directory off of include on backups |
| 08:36.40 | somiaj | swi: my approach is look for a tablet you want, and then look for linux kernel and then debian support (most likely if it is supported in the linux kernel it works in debian) |
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| 08:37.07 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: trying to copy over your old config files? |
| 08:37.47 | swi | somiaj: the page i found there seems too old (2009) |
| 08:38.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah. |
| 08:38.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | well new with the old. |
| 08:38.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | er old with the new. |
| 08:38.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | its too early to think clearly |
| 08:39.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i made the symlink back. uh if other stuff breaks then i will fix it laters. lol |
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| 08:40.37 | swi | somiaj: ok. i see. |
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| 08:40.51 | swi | .o( anoyway seems that wacoom still the best supported ) |
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| 08:55.44 | rethus | hi. |
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| 08:56.31 | rethus | i wan't to install debian on first partition on external hdd. How can i make a installation, which is independed from used hardware of the pc, where the external hdd is plugged in? |
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| 08:57.17 | rethus | menas... for debian it should make no difference, if that or another soundcard-manufacturer is used... or graphic-card, or mainboard-chipset. |
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| 09:09.54 | rethus | anybody of those 1192 debaina-people her in the irc had an idea? |
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| 09:10.42 | wols_ | rethus: the only real trouble is the possible change of the boot device/root filesystem |
| 09:11.07 | wols_ | the rest is pretty independent. you could put some fancy script into you initrd maybe |
| 09:11.22 | rethus | k, thank you for your answer. wolos_ |
| 09:11.38 | rethus | my external disk should be the only one onnectd to the hardware. |
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| 09:12.06 | rethus | so if the hardware has bios wich support usb-boot, it should be usable with my disk |
| 09:12.38 | rethus | so there should be no problems with changing boot-device ? |
| 09:12.58 | txomon | hi, can someone help me configuring my computer to change back to nouveau driver? I am getting nut about this because it doesn't run as in the wiki... |
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| 09:15.00 | nkuttler | txomon: which driver are you using now? |
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| 09:16.08 | rethus | wols_: i remember in my early SUSE-Times... i changed the mainbord, and had a broken system, cause of missed drivers... this will not happen, with a installation of debian in first partition on external hdd? |
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| 09:17.55 | txomon | nkuttler, nvidia, and I want to switch back to nouveau |
| 09:17.58 | txomon | without reinstalling |
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| 09:18.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i would think not Rethus, unless you are running a very slim intallation.. |
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| 09:18.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have moved one HDD to another machine with hte same arch and it worked fine before |
| 09:18.35 | rethus | k, should be a tiny installation.. as tiny as possible |
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| 09:18.47 | rethus | i only need virtualbox on it, and very good hardware-support |
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| 09:19.01 | nkuttler | txomon: just remove the nvida packages and reboot |
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| 09:19.13 | herdingcat | how do I know how many packages I can install? |
| 09:19.44 | rethus | Eryn_1983_FL: great to know this. is there application for creating an installation-image too? |
| 09:19.51 | txomon | nkuttler, I don't want to remove them, I want to be able to switch between them |
| 09:20.07 | rethus | i will create an installer, where all my applications and settings are preset |
| 09:20.22 | rethus | debian remastersys |
| 09:20.35 | rethus | means has debian remastersys? |
| 09:20.51 | nkuttler | txomon: then blacklist the nvidia modules, see blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 09:21.23 | txomon | nkuttler, but, doesn't it have anything to do with /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 09:25.41 | txomon | i will try that but no idea if it will work, doesn't make much sense to me, cause if I have the xorg.conf put that I want nvidia... |
| 09:25.43 | wols_ | txomon: it has to do with your opengl libs and xorg.conf, yes |
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| 09:26.05 | txomon | wols_, my problem is that i get a blinking cursor |
| 09:26.25 | txomon | I changed the xorg.conf file to point to nouveau |
| 09:26.34 | txomon | and I get that blinking cursor |
| 09:27.06 | txomon | that if I do sysreq+r I can for some seconds go to terminal |
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| 09:27.54 | herdingcat | how do I know how many packages I can install in command line? |
| 09:28.07 | txomon | heinrich5991, tab tab |
| 09:28.21 | txomon | well, you really can install asmany as youdownload |
| 09:28.36 | txomon | but if you mean how many with apt-get , do apt-get install <tab-tab> |
| 09:28.50 | txomon | and it tells you how many you can |
| 09:29.09 | herdingcat | txomon, I wanna search the packages I can install, like yum search <pkg> |
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| 09:31.12 | jemparing | herdingcat, apt-cache search |
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| 09:32.01 | Christoph_vW | I have a problem with openssl (1.0.1c) in wheezy which seems to be fixed in openssl 1.0.1d (not released yet) - what should I do? |
| 09:32.30 | txomon | Christoph_vW, wait or install |
| 09:32.32 | jamek | download deb ;] |
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| 09:32.44 | Christoph_vW | txomon: isn't wheezy in freeze already? |
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| 09:33.52 | txomon | Christoph_vW, for new features (I understand). If bug fixes, they can come in (that is why its freeze and not stable already) |
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| 09:34.44 | Christoph_vW | it is a bug: http://rt.openssl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=2828 |
| 09:35.08 | Christoph_vW | connections to serveral SSL sites fail due to wrong version in client hello |
| 09:36.25 | Christoph_vW | it does a handshake with TLS 1.0 and send a hello with TLS 1.1, and when the server anwsers with TLS 1.0 then the connection fails |
| 09:36.58 | txomon | Christoph_vW, check if it exists the debian bug, and if not, create it and point them to it |
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| 09:37.14 | txomon | (to the openssl.org bug tracker) |
| 09:39.34 | txomon | nkuttler, you gave me an idea, about blacklisting, and I found that nvidia driver blacklists nouveau |
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| 09:40.57 | Vinz | Hello |
| 09:42.49 | herdingcat | what command for Debian is equal to "rpm -ql <pkg>" ? |
| 09:43.23 | txomon | herdingcat, install? to install apt-get install. Please, instead of asking, look at man apt-get |
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| 09:43.39 | boudiccas | herdingcat: describe whta the rpm comand does please |
| 09:43.56 | herdingcat | list where the package installed |
| 09:46.03 | sussudio | herdingcat: -L ? |
| 09:46.22 | nkuttler | herdingcat: dpkg -L |
| 09:47.02 | nkuttler | herdingcat: what are you looking for anyway? |
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| 09:52.11 | txomon | ok, now I found that nouveau driver is not working... |
| 09:52.51 | txomon | [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0 0X8A4D: Failed parsing init table opcode: INIT_I2C_LONG_IF -19 |
| 09:53.02 | txomon | in sec 8 from boot |
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| 09:59.37 | GabrieleV | Hello, I'm removing a lot of packages, and as dependency will be removed cryptsetup too. I can't remove it. How do I identify which package causes cryptsetup dependancy ? Thank you ! |
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| 10:07.03 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 10:08.05 | jalalsfs | I've got this problem when I tried to update via aptitude http://paste.debian.net/213248/ |
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| 10:11.27 | jalalsfs | Hello everyone, I have this problem when I do update with aptitude http://paste.debian.net/213248/ |
| 10:11.38 | brontosaurusrex | radio-station management/scheduling software? any suggestions? |
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| 10:13.52 | ujjain | Is it normal that software does not remove it's own user account after uninstalling? |
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| 10:16.28 | formorer | yes |
| 10:16.42 | formorer | thats usually the case |
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| 10:24.43 | GabrieleV | jalalsfs, I think you are behind a proxy, and it cashes old contents |
| 10:25.15 | jalalsfs | I'm trying to update the system by aptitude update but I got this message W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 10:25.42 | jalalsfs | GabrieleV, There's not proxy at all. |
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| 10:26.45 | jalalsfs | GabrieleV, I'm using testing version. |
| 10:31.15 | GabrieleV | jalalsfs, cat /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:32.01 | rethus | i will create an installer, where all my applications and settings are preset. anybody knows a tool for this in debian? |
| 10:32.30 | GabrieleV | rethus, you could build a deb package |
| 10:32.50 | rethus | sounds like many work an needed knowhow? |
| 10:32.53 | formorer | I use puppet recipes for that. |
| 10:33.21 | rethus | i need soemthing like a whole image.... with preset username and password... apache configuration .... |
| 10:33.37 | rethus | puppet recipes? nver heard about that. i google it |
| 10:34.01 | GabrieleV | rethus, checkinstall builds a debian package from a Makefile |
| 10:34.13 | formorer | ah that is more easy. just take a debian installer and give it a preseed file |
| 10:34.33 | formorer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 10:34.57 | GabrieleV | rethus, But do you mean a full new machine installation ? |
| 10:35.54 | rethus | yes. thats the background: on external disk i wan't to install debina in first partition, so that the user can run the hdd on each hardware which support usb-boot |
| 10:36.24 | rethus | and preinstalled is a useraccount with default passwort... and virtualbox inside of it |
| 10:36.53 | rethus | all the magic is done in the vbox. but the tiny small debian should be used as boot-partition and basesystem with realy small footprint |
| 10:37.42 | rethus | so i need a way to create such a mini-debian, and install it on many external hdd |
| 10:38.39 | jagginess | rethus, you can simply dd or cat the debian.iso directly to usb (everything on usb gets wiped) |
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| 10:39.25 | rethus | maybe a problem for dd if is, that not each hdd have the same size |
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| 10:40.06 | GabrieleV | rethus, partclone |
| 10:40.36 | rethus | seems to be a good choice. thanks. |
| 10:40.59 | jagginess | rethus, it's an installer usb stick. if you want to clone debian, then use stuff like clonezilla/net clones.. |
| 10:41.00 | ws | I have a problem with one disk. It had an NTFS partition, I tried uncompressing a .tar.gz file yesterday with a very large number of small files and it went berserk (I cannot find the file with the messages it was giving, though). I tried to run 'mkfs.ext2 -c -c /dev/sdd1' yesterday, and after 19 hours it was still running this morning. Is it ok? It's a 320GB drive on USB2 |
| 10:41.07 | rethus | what is the smallest way to install debian and run virtualbox? |
| 10:42.12 | rethus | i think for virtualbox i need xorg - or is there a more lightweigt xdm out there |
| 10:42.16 | jalalsfs | GabrieleV, Okay, it's fine now, I changed the source from Thailand to Turkey. Tank you so much. |
| 10:42.38 | GabrieleV | rethus, use netinst iso image |
| 10:42.40 | jalalsfs | GabrieleV, That means some sources not updated yet. |
| 10:43.47 | GabrieleV | rethus, do not install any package and finish installation. Login after reboot, and customize you image if neede (or do this with preseed) |
| 10:43.51 | rethus | GabrieleV: k, i've read a little bit aboout this. netinstaller, than "system install". |
| 10:44.00 | GabrieleV | jalalsfs, maybe .. |
| 10:44.26 | rethus | but what packages i need to run a lightweight x with best networksupport (tools) and virtualbox? |
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| 10:44.30 | GabrieleV | rethus, it's only a littler image tha the standard cd/dvd |
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| 10:46.19 | GabrieleV | rethus, not sure, look for a desktop manager that you like. |
| 10:47.11 | rethus | k. thanks |
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| 10:47.58 | GabrieleV | is away: Coding ... |
| 10:48.33 | rethus | for mee, its enough to start virtualbox directly after boot... |
| 10:48.46 | rethus | no taskbar and other window-manager-stuff needed. |
| 10:48.58 | rethus | is there a way to get this with an wdm? |
| 10:49.16 | rethus | something like kiosk-mode? |
| 10:50.22 | f8l | rethus: You don't need window managers nor display managers to do that. Plain X should be enough. You won't be able to resize the windows though. |
| 10:50.45 | rethus | if the image is always fullscreen, it's good enough |
| 10:50.54 | rethus | how can i do that? |
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| 10:52.32 | f8l | rethus: `xinit $(which virtualbox)` should start virtualbox as the only client of newly launched X server. |
| 10:52.57 | f8l | rethus: Can you check if this is what you want before installation? |
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| 10:53.39 | rethus | mhh, i have an older debian-live-cd here. i could try it |
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| 10:55.51 | f8l | rethus: I just tried it. Resizing works. At least for the main window of virtualbox. |
| 10:57.47 | rethus | thats sounds realy great |
| 10:58.30 | rethus | means i have only to install debian-base system" and virtualbox && virtualbox-guest-additions, and i can run my virtualbox?! |
| 10:58.53 | rethus | does all the stuff like mouse, graphics-card and other stuff are detected automaticly at boot-time? |
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| 10:59.41 | f8l | rethus: … and xserver-xorg-input-{choose yourself} xserver-xorg-video-{choose yourself} xserver-xorg |
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| 11:00.11 | f8l | rethus: You can also just install xserver-xorg, but it'll pull all drivers, and that probably not what you want. |
| 11:01.22 | f8l | rethus: You can install all drivers (they are not that big), launch X, search the log for names of loaded drivers and uninstall all unneeded ones. |
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| 11:02.26 | rethus | f8l: all drivers is good |
| 11:02.42 | Jumper_Thunder | Why does upstart depend on plymouth? oO |
| 11:03.37 | Jumper_Thunder | I thought about using upstart instead of sysvinit, but the Plymouth dependency irritates me |
| 11:03.51 | rethus | which downloadpackage should i load for i5 ? amd64 ? |
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| 11:04.36 | Jumper_Thunder | rethus: amd64 is the better choice for most uses |
| 11:04.43 | f8l | rethus: It depends if you want to run 64- or 32-bit system. |
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| 11:04.55 | f8l | Jumper_Thunder: That's arguable. |
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| 11:05.12 | rethus | per default 64. but on some systems i will need 32bit too |
| 11:05.53 | Jumper_Thunder | Okay, it's not upstart that depends on plymouth, it's mountall. Damn ubuntu maintainers. Theres no reason for mountall to depend on plymouth |
| 11:05.53 | f8l | rethus: I think there are i386/amd64 CDs somewhere, but I don't know if they are netinsts… |
| 11:06.08 | Walex | Jumper_Thunder: yes, it is appalling |
| 11:06.18 | Walex | Jumper_Thunder: that really annoyed me too. |
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| 11:06.38 | diahane1 | hello guys, take a look at http://bitfungus.org/ , if you can help is totally open source! sorry for my bad english :P |
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| 11:07.07 | Walex | if all the effort and loving care devoted to make a purely cosmetic thing like 'plymouth' had been spent in streamlining boot and reducing dependencies... |
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| 11:07.37 | Walex | but working on good engineering brings no glory, working on cool seeming GUI stuff apparently does. |
| 11:07.42 | Jumper_Thunder | I switched to Debian, because the way ubuntu was .. well.. unacceptable for me. And now this plymouth deamon still chases me in debian :/ |
| 11:07.46 | rethus | f8l: rethus: … and xserver-xorg-input-{choose yourself} xserver-xorg-video-{choose yourself} xserver-xorg |
| 11:07.54 | rethus | what this mean, i need it every time i run vbox? |
| 11:08.13 | Jumper_Thunder | (deamon in a well.. mystical way. ^^) |
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| 11:08.56 | f8l | rethus: These are the packages you need to run X server. But you said it's OK to pull all drivers, so you can just install xserver-xorg and it's enough. |
| 11:09.39 | f8l | rethus: You said you wanted the smallest possible images, so I thought telling you how to cut some space by not installing unnecessary drivers would be good. |
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| 11:10.26 | rethus | ah, ok. but if i install xserver-xorg, all the stuff is inside? |
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| 11:11.09 | f8l | rethus: Yes. If there's no driver installed from a category (video, input) then all the drivers from that category are installed. |
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| 11:12.32 | rethus | great. thanks. now i will download netinstaller and give it a try |
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| 11:13.12 | f8l | rethus: Oh, and you need xinit… |
| 11:14.09 | Jumper_Thunder | anyway, any opinions on switching to upstart? |
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| 11:14.44 | f8l | rethus: And installing the xorg package may be a better idea… You should ask someone more knowledgeable about that. |
| 11:15.03 | Jumper_Thunder | Oh, I just saw, that systemd is also backwards compatible to sysvinit |
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| 11:17.16 | rethus | f8l: is there a xorg meta-package? |
| 11:17.25 | f8l | rethus: Yes. |
| 11:18.39 | f8l | rethus: I don't have it installed and I run X, so apparently it's not necessary, but I have most of it's dependencies installed anyway. |
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| 11:19.22 | jubo2 | Shukran, Shukran FOSS devels |
| 11:19.25 | babilen | judd: depends xorg |
| 11:19.26 | judd | Package xorg in squeeze/i386 -- depends: xserver-xorg, libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libgl1-mesa-dri, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-utils, x11-xfs-utils, x11-xkb-utils, x11-xserver-utils, xauth, xinit, xfonts-utils, xkb-data, xorg-docs-core, xterm | x-terminal-emulator. |
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| 11:21.15 | jubo2 | Now I'd like to bitch about Debian being unresponsive and the web browser practically freezes when I try to access information about Jolla Ltd and Sailfish OS .. now if I were one of those types that are into paraniodism I'd be pretty troubled |
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| 11:22.05 | jubo2 | MeeGo => Mer => Sailfish OS |
| 11:22.28 | jubo2 | it's a way to say no to AAPL, GOOG, NOK and MSFT |
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| 11:23.34 | f8l | jubo2: Maybe you should use other browser? |
| 11:24.03 | jubo2 | f8l: Konqueror stucks even worse |
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| 11:24.41 | jubo2 | While I'm bitching about shit that does not work on my Debian GNU/Linux netbook installation teh youtubes are always teh brokeh |
| 11:24.48 | jubo2 | I feel poor. |
| 11:25.42 | f8l | jubo2: I don't know what particular website are you trying to access, but for me https://sailfishos.org/ loads in no time. |
| 11:26.05 | jubo2 | f8l: I think it's the Jolla's twitter that hangs the browser |
| 11:26.50 | brontosaurusrex | jubo2: supply the exact urls, if you want us to retest |
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| 11:27.11 | f8l | jubo2: Quite responsive for me. (on Midori) |
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| 11:30.01 | f8l | jubo2: I've seen one computer (a 4-processor Dell workstation) which had tendency to hang from time to time for no known reason. |
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| 11:32.02 | f8l | jubo2: Its user complained, that it happened most frequently when browsing the Web, so maybe you have a similar problem… |
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| 11:33.58 | babilen | f8l: Do you have intel-microcode and microcode.ctl installed on that one? Try running it with those two packages installed to rule out that you are running into processor bugs. |
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| 11:36.47 | ws | jubo2: is the the OS freezing or just the browser? |
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| 11:36.53 | ws | jubo2: which browser is it, btw? |
| 11:36.56 | f8l | babilen: I have them on my laptop and they work fine, but I don't remember if I installed them on that workstation… I'm not even sure if it had Intel's processors… Anyway it's too late now – Debian was uninstalled as nobody used it (most of the work required use of Windows-only Adobe software). Thanks for the hint though. :-) |
| 11:37.22 | f8l | jubo2: Read what babilen said to me. Maybe it'll help you solve your problem. |
| 11:37.25 | babilen | Sure -- It is always worth a try if one faces mysterious freezes |
| 11:37.48 | ws | jubo2: I had problems with chromium -- some tabs were freezing (though I could close them) |
| 11:37.58 | babilen | f8l, jubo2: There is also amd65-microcode if applicable |
| 11:38.06 | babilen | *amd64-microcode |
| 11:38.59 | f8l | ws: That might have been a bug within libwebkit. I had similar problems, but they vanished long time ago when a fixed version of that library came out. |
| 11:39.13 | f8l | babilen: Thanks. Good to know. |
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| 11:39.56 | f8l | ws: (Midori is also webkit-based.) I think it had something to do with JavaScript. |
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| 11:44.47 | cloudman | what is the EOL for 6 server please? |
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| 11:47.24 | babilen | cloudman: Squeeze will be supported for at least one year after the release of wheezy. It is yet unclear when wheezy will be released, but I would expect the first or second quarter of 2013 |
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| 11:48.05 | cloudman | thats quite short for a server? |
| 11:48.16 | cloudman | thanks anyway |
| 11:48.37 | f8l | cloudman: There is a server version of Debian? |
| 11:48.52 | cloudman | yes, whats the EOL on that |
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| 11:48.58 | woshty | anyone here using lightdm? how to switch of all the remote stuff and how to use it with multiseat on debian? |
| 11:49.10 | nkuttler | stable is the server version. and yes, you'll get ugrades every 2-3 years |
| 11:49.19 | cloudman | ok, ty |
| 11:49.26 | nkuttler | if that's too short you'll probably want to look for a different distro |
| 11:49.52 | cloudman | yes, looking at centos thing is I dont want new php |
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| 11:50.20 | cloudman | what php does squeeze use? |
| 11:50.24 | nkuttler | cloudman: fwiw, upgrades with Debian usually go very smoothly, so 'frequent' upgrades aren't really a problem |
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| 11:50.37 | nkuttler | ,v php5 |
| 11:50.38 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-9; wheezy: 5.4.4-9; sid: 5.4.4-10; experimental: 5.4.8-1; experimental: 5.4.9-1 |
| 11:50.57 | cloudman | thanks, yeah 5.3 is about as low as I can go |
| 11:51.10 | nkuttler | cloudman: and if you're stuck on an older php that sounds like something you should fix :) |
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| 11:51.21 | cloudman | its software related |
| 11:51.26 | nkuttler | it usually is |
| 11:51.37 | cloudman | sucks :) |
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| 11:51.47 | babilen | cloudman: There is *no* server edition of Debian. And I also wouldn't consider a support window of 3-4 years *per release* to be short. What kind of support window do /you/ need? |
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| 11:52.00 | nkuttler | but yeah, centos has slower release cycles afaict |
| 11:52.17 | cloudman | babilen: 4 years is ok |
| 11:52.25 | cloudman | but your 2 into that now |
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| 11:52.50 | babilen | cloudman: Well, you can travel back in time and install that box right after the release of squeeze ;) |
| 11:53.01 | babilen | cloudman: Also "you are" |
| 11:53.35 | cloudman | no use crying over spilt milk eh |
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| 11:54.49 | babilen | cloudman: And I would recommend to upgrade to the coming stable (wheezy) after that has been released anyway. Debian typically takes great care to make upgrades between releases easy and painless and there is many a system that has been upgraded from one release to the next for many years. |
| 11:54.50 | sarguru_ | Is anybody maintaining a signed debian repository with reprepro. I'm having a problem adding source packages built through epm whereas i386/amd64 packages are added fine . please help |
| 11:55.23 | cloudman | babilen: will give it a whirl, thanks |
| 11:55.39 | cloudman | I have a phd in backing up these days anyway |
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| 11:57.31 | babilen | cloudman: The procedure to upgrade from lenny (old stable) to squeeze is, for example, detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes -- A similar document will be published when wheezy is released and I would expect the upgrade to be rather painless. (unless you develop specifically for PHP 5.3 and your code breaks horribly if run on PHP 5.4 (as typical for a lot of PHP code)) |
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| 11:58.18 | cloudman | Guess I just have to progress and kick some software into touch and buy anew |
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| 11:59.25 | cloudman | its one site of mine, social network, the software is real fast compared to the newer software, believe it or not |
| 12:00.20 | cloudman | thats the problem with the tech world, it moves on at a rapid rate |
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| 12:04.43 | cloudman | thanks anyway |
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| 12:12.14 | robjk | hi, i'm having unmet dependency problems that apt-get -f install isn't solving |
| 12:12.32 | robjk | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-client-5.5_5.5.28+dfsg-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 12:12.35 | robjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.37 | robjk | dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 12:20.14 | sadegh | hi all , i have a question, there is a proccess that when i send kill -s 9 PID wont be killed...where is the problem and how i can kill it |
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| 12:21.48 | Walex | sadegh: that only happens when the process is "stuck" in kernel mode, usually because of a peripheral error or a kernel bug. usually the only way to resolve that is reboot. |
| 12:22.36 | Walex | sadegh: sometimes there is a timeout and the process exits kernel mode and becomes killable. Rarely. |
| 12:22.38 | sadegh | Walex:my proccess is a perl , when i use killall -s 9 perl proccess killed... |
| 12:23.26 | Walex | robjk: that looks like someone installed non entirely standard packages that conflict with standard ones |
| 12:23.42 | Walex | robjk: you have to solve manually the situation in that case |
| 12:24.20 | robjk | Walex: yep, i had dotdeb packages installed then upradred from squeeze to wheezy... |
| 12:24.49 | Walex | robjk: so you have to remove manually the 'dotdeb' packages before installing the 7/Wheezy ones |
| 12:25.33 | sadegh | exuse me |
| 12:25.36 | robjk | Walex: ok, but purging them with apt-get doesnt work |
| 12:25.38 | Walex | robjk: alternatively you can invert the order by "forcing" the install of the 7/Wheezy ones and then remove the dotDeb ones, but it is slightly riskier |
| 12:25.50 | sadegh | the proccess is a perl , when i use killall -s 9 perl proccess killed... |
| 12:26.10 | sadegh | but if it is a kernel bug ,,, why the proccess killed after killall command? |
| 12:26.11 | Walex | robjk: "doesnt work" is not that helpful. |
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| 12:26.39 | Walex | sadegh: 'killall' is exactly the same as 'kill' except it sort-of uses 'pidof' first... |
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| 12:27.20 | f8l | robjk: I think `dpkg -r mysql-client-core` should help. |
| 12:27.25 | robjk | Walex: trying to purge any of the packages gives report back with "unmet dependencies", then suggest I do apt-get -f install |
| 12:27.28 | sadegh | Walex:ok in know,then it is not a kernel bug,yes? |
| 12:27.33 | robjk | Walex: which in turn breaks: |
| 12:27.48 | robjk | Unpacking replacement mysql-client-5.5 ... |
| 12:27.50 | robjk | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-client-5.5_5.5.28+dfsg-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 12:27.52 | robjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.54 | robjk | dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 12:29.51 | f8l | robjk: Did it help? |
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| 12:31.34 | Walex | robjk: that is a trivial issue. The question is whether you are ready to resolve dependencies and conflicts manually or not. |
| 12:32.00 | robjk | f8l: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of mysql-client-core-5.5: |
| 12:32.02 | robjk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.13 | babilen | robjk: Well, get rid of everything dotdeb (IIRC "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'") -- Remove dotdeb from your sources.list after that and run "apt-get update"... |
| 12:32.30 | Walex | robjk: because of course APT sees a (temporary) conflict and stops. If you know what you are doing, resolve the situation manually. |
| 12:33.02 | babilen | robjk: dotdeb packages are neither supported nor endorsed by us |
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| 12:33.15 | f8l | robjk: So maybe `dpkg -r mysql-client-core-5.5 mysql-client-5.5`? |
| 12:33.23 | Walex | robjk: e.g. with use of '--force-depends' or '--force-conflicts' and then cleanup |
| 12:33.26 | robjk | babilen: ok, i had them when i was still using squeeze |
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| 12:34.41 | babilen | robjk: So, remove all packages and clean up your installation to *not* use dotdeb as discussed earlier |
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| 12:36.40 | robjk | f8l: Walex: babilen: ok its fixed, using --force-depends together with dpkg -r for server/client and their cores |
| 12:36.43 | robjk | thanks! |
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| 12:38.15 | babilen | robjk: Make sure to properly purge all dotdeb packages ("aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" and "aptitude purge '~c'") before removing the dotdeb repos from your sources.list |
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| 12:38.34 | babilen | robjk: Make sure that that doesn't remove configuration files or data that you need (backups!) |
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| 12:41.51 | robjk | babilen: what does '~c' do? |
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| 12:42.22 | stew | robjk: matches packages which are removed but not purged (config-only) |
| 12:43.33 | Walex | admires Aptitude's comprehensive query language |
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| 12:44.00 | Walex | now if only Debian switched to APT4RPM :-) |
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| 12:53.30 | ws | what I don't understand about aptitude though is how it removes packages |
| 12:54.12 | ws | like, if I install packge 'x' which depends on 'a', 'b', 'c' and adds these (i.e., I didn't have them preinstalled) |
| 12:54.26 | ws | removing 'x' does not necessarily remove 'a', 'b', 'c' |
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| 12:54.52 | yonk | can one somehow get the apt-get changelog of packages in deb-multimedia ? |
| 12:55.02 | ws | (at least if I didn't add other packages in between) |
| 12:55.25 | ws | I don't know whether that was typical behaviour or not, though. |
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| 13:00.42 | ws | though aptitude is supposed to track these, hmm |
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| 13:05.15 | niels1 | ws, well, my aptitude removes those (automatically installed) packages (that are not depended upon by other packages). probably depends on how you configure aptitude |
| 13:05.37 | ws | that's with aptitude purge or aptitude remove suffices? |
| 13:06.10 | niels1 | remove should suffice. remove vs. purge has nothing to do with what you're asking. purge is for removing config files as well |
| 13:06.18 | Walex | ws: that entirely depends as <niels1> says whether the packages are marked as auto-installed and there are dependencies. |
| 13:06.39 | ws | I see. thank you. :-) |
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| 13:06.56 | ws | well, there couldn't be depndencies earlier. I mean, I did 'aptitude install' and 'aptitude remove' right afterwards. |
| 13:07.12 | niels1 | aptitude may "forget" packages' auto-installed status, tho. for instance if you tell it to, or if it happens to crash at an inconvenient moment |
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| 13:07.32 | ws | I see. thank you. :-) |
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| 13:08.30 | niels1 | ws, well, if the packages it pulled in as dependencies were "Recommended" by other packages you already had installed (maybe you removed them by hand), they won't be uninstalled automatically |
| 13:09.13 | Walex | ws: you can use the 'curses' 'aptitude' anbd filter for orphan package, and switch packages from manual to auto installed etc. |
| 13:09.30 | Walex | ws: because recommended packages are manually installed... |
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| 13:09.44 | niels1 | and examine the "auto-installed" status in the first place |
| 13:09.50 | ws | I suspect a misconfiguration on my part. I installed debian squeeze, then added wheezy repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list while keeping squeeze in there and without configuring /etc/apt/apt_preferences.d |
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| 13:10.08 | ws | I did dist-upgrade and upgrade. |
| 13:10.18 | ws | I expect there may be some slight mess after all this. |
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| 13:11.57 | Walex | ws: you are an optimist :-) |
| 13:12.00 | ws | Walex, niels1: thank you :-) I don't have the computer right here, I'll look at dpkg -l first to see how many packages have 'rc' status. |
| 13:12.08 | ws | I mean, removed, but with config remaining. |
| 13:12.19 | ws | ah, the "slight" word? :-) |
| 13:12.54 | Walex | ws: I find that in checking out things 'aptitude' in 'curses' mode is particularly useful to get a global picture, especially in the flat-list package mode |
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| 13:12.57 | boudiccas | ws: so you didnt comment out/delete all your squeeze sources before updating nad dist-upograding then? |
| 13:13.17 | ws | boudiccas: nope. |
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| 13:13.27 | boudiccas | ws: wally! |
| 13:13.37 | Walex | ws: in particular, invoke it as 'aptitude -t wheezy' |
| 13:13.56 | ws | I added /etc/apt/preferences yesterday and did aptitude upgrade |
| 13:14.01 | boudiccas | ws: was squeeze uptodate before you startied upgrading? |
| 13:14.26 | ws | boudiccas: I think no. |
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| 13:14.50 | ws | hm, actually, I am not sure anymore. Please keep in mind I'm Debian newbie and apt* newbie. |
| 13:15.02 | boudiccas | ws: sounds like a right train wreck! youi may bebetter off reinstalling nad doing the upgrade properly then |
| 13:15.24 | ws | I use linux daily as a user, but I haven't installed one for ages till now. |
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| 13:15.44 | plovdiv | hello |
| 13:16.09 | Walex | boudiccas: I think that 'aptitude -t wheezy' might save him :-) |
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| 13:16.42 | ws | I set wheezy with high priority now and removed squeeze |
| 13:16.46 | ws | and added sid with priority -10 |
| 13:16.52 | boudiccas | Walex: i dont hold out much hope of rescuing from the train wreck, it might be quicker overall just to reinstall |
| 13:16.53 | ws | but it may be too alte ;-) |
| 13:16.56 | ws | s/alte/late/ |
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| 13:17.38 | boudiccas | ws: stick with wheezy, get that working right before even considering anything from sid/experimental |
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| 13:19.00 | Walex | ws: <boudiccas> is right. 'stable'+'backports' is usually safer and still fairly uptodate if one wants. |
| 13:19.37 | ws | I see. thank you :-) |
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| 13:21.04 | Walex | ws: also, if you are relatively new, pinning with '/etc/apt/preferences*' is not entirely appropriate, because it involves rather subtle issues... |
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| 13:22.10 | bfig | hello, i'm having troudble with the package manager. i can't install postgresql because i get some error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:22.29 | bfig | (it mentions wine and wine-unstable). pasting the error... |
| 13:23.02 | bfig | http://ideone.com/T3Trgz |
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| 13:24.56 | djazz | how can I make wine default for opening .exe files? (without GUI) |
| 13:25.20 | ws | actually, I remember I had some problems after the upgrade. |
| 13:25.38 | ws | I had to reinstall kde for example. |
| 13:25.48 | ws | and I think I had problems with sound and wifi. |
| 13:26.32 | ws | I sticked to networkmanager (is wicd recommended?) and somehow managed this alsa vs pulse mess I think so that I have sound both in anarok and in mplayer and in flash videos on youtube and in mpg123... |
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| 13:26.52 | boudiccas | ws: and still without getting rid of squeeze in your sources.list? |
| 13:27.13 | ws | I've got rid of that at this point I think. |
| 13:27.28 | ws | still, I'll reinstall tonight. I understand there may be a huge mess. :-) |
| 13:27.37 | boudiccas | ws: dint think, check and make sure for certain |
| 13:27.55 | boudiccas | ssorry, should be dont |
| 13:28.11 | frikinz | bfig: did you try what it suggested after running an apt-get update ? |
| 13:28.21 | bfig | the -f thing? |
| 13:28.21 | bfig | sure |
| 13:28.34 | ws | there's a new wheezy installer release (beta4), I'll give it a try |
| 13:28.34 | bfig | i also tried dpkg --configure -a; apt-get clean |
| 13:28.43 | ws | I had problems with the previous one at some point. |
| 13:28.50 | frikinz | bfig: well, pick a solution from apt-get -f install? |
| 13:28.57 | bfig | no luck |
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| 13:29.26 | bfig | unless i'm not understanding what you mean, in that case, would you mind rephrasing? |
| 13:29.35 | bfig | (what is there to pick?) |
| 13:29.44 | frikinz | Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 13:29.51 | niels1 | djazz, are you on squeeze and using the debian-provided wine package? |
| 13:29.53 | bfig | i did that, no luck |
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| 13:30.04 | boudiccas | ws: stick with squeeze, get that working well, then consider an upgrade, or, you may want to wait until wheezy is released as 'stable', i reckon in Q1 of 2013 |
| 13:30.36 | frikinz | bfig: what no luck, command fails? |
| 13:30.37 | bfig | frikinz, http://ideone.com/cKiPBh |
| 13:30.52 | ws | boudiccas: I reckon it's 2014 |
| 13:31.23 | ws | boudiccas: or the second part of 2013... |
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| 13:31.27 | ws | boudiccas: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:31.51 | boudiccas | ws: i'm basing it on the fact that i'm using iut daily and see thaings changing. like today, the gnome-notifications have retirned with the update this morning, a retrograde step |
| 13:31.58 | ws | actually, more like the second part of 2013 |
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| 13:32.00 | djazz | niels1: ya |
| 13:32.13 | niels1 | djazz, install binfmt-support |
| 13:32.19 | djazz | aha |
| 13:32.24 | ws | boudiccas: I'm merely basing my guess on linear extrapolation :-) |
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| 13:32.33 | fishcooker | if i using two interface like eth0 and wlan0.. can i use spesific interface for the spesific destination? |
| 13:32.48 | boudiccas | ws: i'm basing mine on reality :) |
| 13:33.11 | frikinz | bfig: maybe this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677416 |
| 13:33.16 | Trewas | ws: at some point leaf packages with RC bugs will be removed and wheezy will be released with a bunch of RC bugs (like every other release), so linear extraploation fails |
| 13:33.17 | djazz | niels1: works! thx |
| 13:33.39 | frikinz | bfig: apt-get remove wine-unstable |
| 13:33.54 | bfig | tried that already |
| 13:33.59 | bfig | still fails with the same message |
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| 13:34.19 | bfig | how can i manually remove that and get it out of dpkg? |
| 13:34.47 | frikinz | bfig: and apt-get remove wine64-bin |
| 13:34.49 | niels1 | djazz, you're welcome |
| 13:35.02 | boudiccas | bfig: if apt-get wont do it, then try aptitude |
| 13:35.27 | bfig | i don't have that package frikinz |
| 13:35.38 | bfig | boudiccas, i'm listening, what should i do? |
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| 13:36.04 | bfig | i don't understand the package manager well enough to get out of this situation :( |
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| 13:36.15 | boudiccas | bfig: sudo aptitude remove foo, where foo is youir package name |
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| 13:37.33 | mmc1 | is there any free online storage, where I could push my reprepro repository (of debian packages). i.e. updateble with ftp/rsync & accessible with http? |
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| 13:38.02 | zetheroo | would it be possible to have a script which does the following: 1. shutdown the VM 2. scp the VM image and xml to backup destination 3. Power up the VM when scp completes |
| 13:38.23 | ectospasm | zetheroo: in short, yes. |
| 13:38.53 | nvz | mmc1: how much space do you need? |
| 13:39.09 | mmc1 | nvz: around 300MB |
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| 13:40.05 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.24 | sarguru_ | any help about managing source packages with reprepro |
| 13:40.31 | bfgun | sorry, had a micro power outage |
| 13:40.32 | ectospasm | zetheroo: have no clue... you'd probably need to write it yourself. |
| 13:40.43 | bfig | boudiccas, that worked, thanks! :D |
| 13:40.50 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.12 | bfig | thanks for the help both of you frikinz, boudiccas |
| 13:41.34 | ectospasm | zetheroo: should be able to string together an scp command, and an ssh command to start the VM image. |
| 13:41.45 | frikinz | bfig: yeah had forgotten that apt-get doesn't try that hard. use aptitude in the future |
| 13:41.48 | boudiccas | bfig: you're welcome |
| 13:42.01 | ectospasm | zetheroo: do it manually first, then figure out how you can tie it all into a script |
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| 13:42.21 | boudiccas | bfig: remember, if one doesnt do what you want, then try the other, it might work |
| 13:42.25 | ectospasm | zetheroo: I suspect you'll need passwordless SSH keys to do it |
| 13:42.33 | bfig | ok :p |
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| 13:44.04 | nvz | mmc1: dropbox does this already |
| 13:44.30 | nvz | mmc1: offers 2gb storage for free and has debian packages that facilitate automatic sync via rsync |
| 13:44.47 | frikinz | I'm using dropbox as a git repo. Not sure if the html interface is standard though |
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| 13:45.53 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.15 | nvz | I personally never done anything fancy with it.. in fact I rarely use it.. but I had planned on using it for a source repo in the near future but only for some light scriptin stuff |
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| 13:46.47 | ectospasm | zetheroo: what VM system are you using? Xen? KVM? VirtualBox? VMWare? |
| 13:46.54 | zetheroo | KVM |
| 13:47.00 | frikinz | Having my git repo everywhere is terrific |
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| 13:47.42 | ectospasm | zetheroo: I'm not familiar with KVM, but there should be a command you can query the hypervisor to see if the VM is running. If it is, issue the command to shut it down cleanly. Then do your move. |
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| 13:48.00 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 14:04.33 | dzan | hi, I need the gcc 4.6 or higher arm crosscompiler but the only place I can find it is in http://www.emdebian.org/crosstools.html experimental repository |
| 14:04.54 | Desproges | hi, how can I get the vim73 installed in my debian squeeze ? |
| 14:05.11 | dzan | when I try installing i miss packages but last time I screwed up my os by mixing version |
| 14:05.15 | dzan | what is the clean way to do it? |
| 14:05.32 | Sm0ke0ut | Desproges: backports perhaps? I'm not sure :) |
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| 14:05.42 | Desproges | no, backports 7.2 |
| 14:05.44 | Sm0ke0ut | I know it's available in wheezy |
| 14:05.52 | Desproges | 7.3, really ? |
| 14:06.01 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 14:06.26 | Sm0ke0ut | I'm on wheezy: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled Sep 16 2012 04:17:39 |
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| 14:08.30 | Ariel_Calzada | hi how to upgrade wheezy kernel 3.2 in an easy way??? |
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| 14:09.49 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: Upgrade it to what? |
| 14:10.30 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: last stable 3.6.8 |
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| 14:13.26 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: 3.6 has not yet been released as stable -- you can get release candidates from experimental though |
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| 14:13.50 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64 |
| 14:13.50 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.6.6-1~experimental.1 |
| 14:14.03 | babilen | Oh, it has :) |
| 14:14.09 | babilen | sorry for the misinformation :) |
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| 14:15.07 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: i have to add it to sources.list and then install it right? |
| 14:15.39 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: if i add it to the sources.list it will update me all the system to experimental or just the kernel??? |
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| 14:16.21 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: Exactly -- "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free" would be a suitable one -- Make sure to install firmware and microcode packages (intel/amd64-microcode) for your hardware and processor as well. |
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| 14:16.57 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: humm but i just want to use the kernel image not the other things |
| 14:17.03 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: You can then install a 3.6 kernel by running "apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64" |
| 14:17.11 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: thanks |
| 14:17.12 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: What other things? |
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| 14:17.42 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: i mean if i add it to sources.list the i will upgrade the other packages for example gnome, etc.... |
| 14:17.52 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: You will see in the output of "apt-cache policy" that experimental has a priority of 1 and that you would therefore not automatically install packages from there. |
| 14:17.55 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: i just want upgrade kernel an drivers |
| 14:18.03 | Ghormoon | hi guys, is there any simple way to override DNS got from DHCP? in /etc/noetwork/interfaces i have iface eth0 inet dhcp and and-nameservers 8.8.8.8 but it still looks up through the one it gets from dhcp :( |
| 14:18.16 | Ghormoon | *dns-nameservers |
| 14:18.38 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: You might want to read "man 5 apt_preferences" to understand what these priorities mean and how they are computed |
| 14:18.41 | GG111 | Ghormoon: whcih debian are you running ? |
| 14:18.46 | Ghormoon | wheezy |
| 14:19.00 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: thanks |
| 14:19.15 | GG111 | Ghormoon: how does your /etc/reslov.conf look like ? |
| 14:19.26 | babilen | Ghormoon: "and-nameservers 8.8.8.8" must be "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8" and you have to have resolvconf installed for that to work. |
| 14:20.00 | Ghormoon | it is dns-nameservers, my mind was lagging :) |
| 14:20.03 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: If you are unsure about your configuration paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net before installing anything |
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| 14:20.24 | Ghormoon | anyway, 8.8.8.8 is not in resolv.conf ... there are 3 nameservers from dhcp |
| 14:20.30 | mmc1 | nvz: re dropbox ... not sure you can access it with rsync. In my understanding you have to setup exact copy on your host, and that is somehow, in some order, propagated to the remote. |
| 14:20.43 | babilen | Ghormoon: Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list along with /etc/resolv.conf and "dpkg -l resolvconf" to http://paste.debian.net -- Please also elaborate on the way in which you configure your network. |
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| 14:21.15 | GG111 | Ghormoon: I think DNS matters changed in wheezy, manily due to resolvconf, you may want to read about it and that will tell you how to override it. |
| 14:21.21 | nvz | mmc1: via rsync as I understand.. either way the method is irrelevant.. you need only rsync to the local dropbox directory |
| 14:21.36 | GG111 | Ghormoon: did you trying adding 8.8.8.8 in the GUI of the network interface configuraiont ?> |
| 14:21.40 | nvz | mmc1: let their magic box software handle their end of the dea |
| 14:21.44 | nvz | deal*\ |
| 14:22.08 | Ghormoon | seems I don't have resolvconf, I'll install and check it if helps :D |
| 14:22.09 | babilen | Ghormoon: Are you, mayhaps, using network-manager to configure/manage your interfaces? Is it wireless or ethernet? |
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| 14:22.19 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/213284/ http://paste.debian.net/213283/ |
| 14:22.38 | babilen | Ghormoon: Well, you need resolvconf for dns-nameserver entries to work |
| 14:22.51 | Ghormoon | I've only set /etc/network/interfaces .. it's eth0 (virtual) |
| 14:23.40 | Ghormoon | I have the deian in virtualbox and host gives me actual DNS by dhcp, problem is, when I change network with host (eg. eduroam vs. home), it doesn't refresh the DNS in viatual debian ... |
| 14:24.00 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: I don't see experimental anywhere in there. I'd also like to note that we strongly discourage people from using debian-multimedia and that I would recommend to use http://http.debian.net as mirror (but there is nothing wrong with using ftp.us.debian.org) |
| 14:24.03 | mmc1 | nvz: I disagree: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror explains that it has to be a 2 stage process. So I need to know .... at least when the 1st stage finished. |
| 14:25.00 | Ghormoon | after installing resolvconf the file looks a bit different (even though nameservers are the same), but still no 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:25.09 | babilen | Ghormoon: Please read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers and, in particular, http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolvconf_program |
| 14:26.00 | nvz | mmc1: ah.. well then your need for rysnc/ftp is greater than I thought i guess.. turns this into a needle in a haystack looking for free webspace |
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| 14:26.13 | kli0rf | i don't get it... how come he can't just use resolv.conf file, instead of resolvconf package? |
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| 14:26.44 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: good to know, i remove deb-multimedia and add experimental and then how can i upgrade kernel and drivers without affecting other packages like gnome, geany, etc.... ? |
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| 14:28.07 | Walex | Ariel_Calzada: if you know Debian packaging so well that you use 'experimental' you have no need to ask questions here :-) |
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| 14:28.56 | babilen | Ariel_Calzada: As noted earlier: Due to the fact that experimental is given a priority of 1 *no packages* will be installed from there unless you *explicitly* ask for that. This is, in detail, explained in "man 5 apt_preferences" -- That means: After you have completed the changes to your sources.list I proposed earlier you can install the kernel with the command I gave you. |
| 14:29.25 | Ariel_Calzada | babilen: thanks a lot |
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| 14:30.13 | babilen | kli0rf: The DHCP client requests DNS servers from the DHCP server by default. These will override whatever is statically configured. One way to deal with this is to hard-code the DNS servers in /etc/network/interfaces which does, however, require the resolvconf package to be installed. |
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| 14:30.56 | babilen | kli0rf: Another approach is to configure the DHCP client to *not* request DNS servers from the server (in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf) |
| 14:31.09 | KaKila | Debian 7.0 Betaç boots in uefi. I am partitioning the disk. have /, swap and /home. But the installers says there is no EFI partition. There is an EFI partition witgh B flag that was already there. Suggestions? |
| 14:31.19 | babilen | kli0rf: I typically prefer the former as it makes the network configuration more explicit and everything is in one place |
| 14:31.48 | babilen | KaKila: Is your BIOS in "EFI only" or "EFI first" mode? |
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| 14:32.20 | Ghormoon | actual /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/213286/ |
| 14:32.21 | KaKila | babilen: can't say. It only has the option to do Secure boot enable/disable. |
| 14:32.30 | babilen | KaKila: Could you please also boot a live CD and make sure that you *do* have a GPT partitioned disk by running "gdisk /dev/sdX" for the device in question? |
| 14:32.34 | Ghormoon | resolvconf installed now, but still no 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf |
| 14:33.06 | KaKila | babilen: Win8 was installed, I assume it is a GPT disk |
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| 14:33.28 | babilen | Ghormoon: Well, just installing that package won't change anything. You also have to reinitialise the interfaces. I am, by the way, still waiting for a paste of the information I requested. |
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| 14:33.52 | babilen | KaKila: Which version of the wheezy installer are you using? |
| 14:33.58 | Ghormoon | I've rebooted, so I hope it reinitialsed :D I've pasted /etc/network/interfaces while ago |
| 14:34.20 | KaKila | Beta4, I got it today Let me give you the link to the iso that I used |
| 14:34.27 | babilen | Ah, I see it now .. (I wasn't highlighted and missed it because of that) |
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| 14:35.02 | KaKila | babilen: debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 14:35.23 | babilen | KaKila: Beta4 should be OK -- I used beta3 a couple of days before and EFI/GPT was working fine. I did, however, had to ensure that the system booted in EFI mode ("EFI first" on my thinkpad) |
| 14:35.25 | Ghormoon | I may also paste the sources and such, but it's standard wheezy and just installed resolvconf |
| 14:35.50 | KaKila | babilen: but I get this warning after I did the partitioning that say...give a minute to trasncript |
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| 14:36.31 | KaKila | babilen: "No EFI partition was found" now ... |
| 14:36.34 | babilen | Ghormoon: Ok, could you run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 ; cat /etc/resolv.conf" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:37.13 | babilen | KaKila: Ok, make sure that you use a GPT partitioned disk. The easiest way to achieve that is to run "gdisk /dev/sdX" for the block device (e.g. /dev/sda) in question from a live cd |
| 14:37.45 | Ghormoon | http://paste.debian.net/213288/ /etc/resolv.conf, dpkg -l resolvconf, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:38.05 | KaKila | babilen: the disk has 1.0MD free space at the beginning (I did not do that) and then 315MB FAT32 with label EFI boot (did not do that either). Isn't strnage that I get this warning? |
| 14:38.37 | babilen | KaKila: EFI/GPT partitioning is an art that I haven't yet memorised :) |
| 14:38.47 | Ghormoon | resolv.conf is the same after ifdown/up |
| 14:39.14 | babilen | KaKila: I would recommend to simply ensure that you have a GPT label (it sounds as if you do) and then use "guided partitioning" to create the standard lot of required partitions |
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| 14:40.05 | babilen | KaKila: IIRC you need a "EFI Boot something" and an "EFI partition something" ... but ... argh ... lets see if there is some *real* information online somewhere. Not only MS Microsoft "The world is better with this" propaganda |
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| 14:41.38 | KaKila | babilen: thank you, i have been searchign before coming here. thank you very much. lets see if we find something |
| 14:42.02 | KaKila | babilen: this is the best i found http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi, but it doesnt say much |
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| 14:44.33 | babilen | KaKila: As I said: I got it working (on a system that I can't access right now) by using gdisk to get the disk into GPT partitioning. I then changed the BIOS setting to "EFI first" (or "EFI only") and booted the installer. It looked a bit different and I wasn't offered all choices (e.g. no expert install). I also had to rely on Guided Partitioning first (before changing that scheme) to get the initial layout right. |
| 14:45.07 | babilen | KaKila: I also remember that I was a bit surprised by the number of partitions and their layout as I didn't reached the impression that all of these were necessary simply by reading documentation. |
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| 14:47.16 | KaKila | babilen: ok, I imagine that the worst it can happen is that I have to re-install everything again |
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| 14:48.32 | babilen | KaKila: Indeed |
| 14:49.01 | KaKila | babilen: ok, then i will ignore this warning and give my soul to the goddess |
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| 14:49.54 | babilen | KaKila: Sorry, I would love to give you more details, but while I am intimately familiar with MBR I can't (yet) tell you much about GPT+EFI from the top of my head. The installer got it right in Guided mode though and I just took it from there (deleting/changing the LVM layout that I didn't agree with, not otuching thr GPT related bits) |
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| 14:51.04 | KaKila | babilen: no problem. good to know i am not alone... how did we get here? I feel we went 10 years backwards |
| 14:51.12 | KaKila | damn uefi |
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| 14:53.11 | babilen | KaKila: Well, you don't have to use it -- I decided to stick with MBR for the time being and am happy with it. (hell, I even know which bytes I need to backup to have my partition table) |
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| 14:57.21 | rethus | i have start grml as livecd. i plugged in external usb hdd. where can i now get an automount for all external hdd? |
| 14:57.39 | KaKila | babilen: ok, I removed all the ne wparittions, used guided partition, then resized to my preference and the warning did nit appear |
| 14:57.49 | babilen | \o/ |
| 14:58.00 | KaKila | thx for the idea |
| 14:58.22 | babilen | KaKila: Sounds good -- I did the same at first and just said: Ah, sod this. Documentation seems to be, well, suboptimal to put it mildly. |
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| 14:59.07 | KaKila | babilen: I will add noise to the web by putting this in my blog... It is funny there are out there people who managed to ge tth einstaller running. How they did it? Who are they? |
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| 14:59.35 | babilen | :-D |
| 15:00.17 | babilen | KaKila: Let me know if you find *reliable* and authorative information on this matter ... I have, insofar, not yet found anything good |
| 15:00.35 | KaKila | babilen: I will. thx again |
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| 15:03.29 | GG111 | Does anyone know where can I find a skype package for Debian 6 ? at this moment, the skype website only lets you get package suitable for Debian 7 , where multicore support is possible, the instructions for amd64 on the Debian wiki post a link that does not get a package for Debian 6. |
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| 15:10.00 | ksk_ | !tell GG111 about skype |
| 15:10.01 | Walex | GG111: try an older Ubuntu package |
| 15:11.01 | Walex | rethus: this is not a channel for GRML support |
| 15:11.19 | dzan | hi, running squeeze but I had to get arm-linux-gnueabi from wheezy, it works fine but update-alternatives doesn't recognize it, any ideas? ( i have 4.3 4.4 & 4.7, the 4.7 is not detected & it came from wheezy ) |
| 15:11.23 | GG111 | Walex: I'll give it a try |
| 15:13.34 | dzan | anyone? |
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| 15:14.08 | Walex | dzan: for replies in less than 2 minutes please give your platinum support account number |
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| 15:14.31 | dzan | Walex, yeah I know sorry :) |
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| 15:17.52 | Walex | dzan: time to reply usually is inversely proportional to popularity of topic... Your question is about a rather narrow, obscure topic. |
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| 15:18.32 | babilen | (it also sounds as if you simply installed a package from wheezy on squeeze, which is strongly discouraged and frowned upon) |
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| 15:20.08 | babilen | dzan: You might also want to provide more information such as the actual package in question, version information and also a discussion of what it means that "update-alternatives" doesn't recognise it. Show output of relevant commands (e.g. "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy THE-PACKAGE" and "update-alternatives ...") on a pastebin (e.g. http://paste.debian.net ) and elaborate why you think that the alternative system should recognise/manage this |
| 15:20.09 | twobitsprite | is there a way to get the badblocks list from an ext3 filesystem which was created with "mke2fs -c"? |
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| 15:20.34 | Walex | twobitsprite: yes. |
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| 15:21.54 | twobitsprite | Walex: could you give me a hint? :P |
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| 15:23.17 | dzan | babilen, thanks I think I found a solution anyway, so I'm just reporting I guess that when one installs the arm-linux-gnueabi-* packages from wheezy on a squeeze systems they don't get added to the alternatives system |
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| 15:25.30 | nyuszika7h | !ssb |
| 15:25.34 | nyuszika7h | dpkg is gone? D: |
| 15:25.49 | babilen | hmm |
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| 15:25.54 | babilen | yeah, it is |
| 15:25.56 | twobitsprite | Walex: are you really going to be that much of a smartass and then not help? |
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| 15:26.58 | Walex | twobitsprite: distracted, but a web search points to 'man dumpe2fs'. |
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| 15:27.49 | berzerka | hey guys. how can i see all open bugs for a particular debian release? |
| 15:27.49 | twobitsprite | Walex: ahh, thanks. That didn't come up in my searches |
| 15:28.34 | Walex | berzerka: with great patience :-) |
| 15:29.13 | berzerka | Walex: no seriously. i seem not to find an appropriate mask or whatever in the bts. |
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| 15:30.19 | berzerka | Walex: want to see all bugs reported for versions in squeeze. i see there is the squeeze tag, but it shows a lot of bugs "from other branches" what does that mean exactly? |
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| 15:31.18 | Walex | berzerka: don't know. The "squeeze" tag should be enough... Note that a lot of bugs are likely misclassified. |
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| 15:34.36 | Walex | berzerka: so "all and only" the bugs for a release is not such a well defined list. |
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| 15:35.14 | berzerka | Walex: yeah i realize that.. just wanted to get an estimate to compare it against current ubuntu release :P |
| 15:35.51 | Walex | berzerka: you can't compare the two. What a really really mad idea |
| 15:35.51 | berzerka | Walex: there are actually people who install ubuntu on a public server, can you imagine that? |
| 15:36.17 | Walex | berzerka: I do that too :-). Carefully. |
| 15:36.28 | twobitsprite | that doesn't mean they're comparable like that |
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| 15:36.55 | Walex | berzerka: an interesting stat would be time-to-fix and variance thereof for bugs marked critical or security. |
| 15:36.59 | twobitsprite | and if you think counting the number of documented "bugs" will give you any meaningful information about a system, then I think you're doing it wrong. |
| 15:37.37 | berzerka | twobitsprite: absolutely true. my plan was to glance over the single bugs actually, not just compare the numbers! |
| 15:39.11 | twobitsprite | berzerka: even still... seeing that a bug is reported on one system and not on the other doesn't really tell you much either. Your information will be heavily biased by any number of factors, such as how readily bugs are reported, how often duplicate bugs are created, etc, etc... |
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| 15:39.59 | twobitsprite | I mean, what exactly are you trying to do? Are you hoping to determine which system is more stable? |
| 15:40.03 | letsstartwedding | hello |
| 15:40.18 | berzerka | twobitsprite: i know that. i am trying to prove that to other people. |
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| 15:40.43 | berzerka | twobitsprite: i mean it's obvious that debian with its rigorous QA process is far superior. |
| 15:40.54 | twobitsprite | perhaps you should explain the flaw in their logic instead of giving in to it |
| 15:41.15 | letsstartwedding | can someone help with forum posting^ |
| 15:41.43 | Walex | berzerka: then compare time to fix for bugs marked critical or security. |
| 15:41.48 | berzerka | twobitsprite: yeah you're probably right. i was just looking for a too easy argument.. |
| 15:41.53 | Walex | letsstartwedding: which forum? |
| 15:41.56 | berzerka | Walex: ok. are there statistics on that? |
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| 15:42.19 | Walex | berzerka: you can extract them from the BTS/Launchpad. Might be a bit of work. |
| 15:42.35 | berzerka | Walex: ok i will have a look into it. |
| 15:42.44 | letsstartwedding | Walex this one: http://letsplanmywedding.com/forums/ |
| 15:42.44 | berzerka | Walex, twobitsprite thanks guys. |
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| 15:43.10 | letsstartwedding | its new and its difficult for the start,so maybe can help to not be nosy post and reply myself :) |
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| 15:44.02 | Walex | letsstartwedding: then please explain how that is Debian related? Not totally obvious from here... :-) |
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| 15:44.57 | letsstartwedding | uhm sorry |
| 15:44.58 | letsstartwedding | :( |
| 15:45.25 | Walex | letsstartwedding: if it is generally related to some GNU/Linux sw you use for it try #LinuxHelp |
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| 15:45.42 | Walex | letsstartwedding: or perhaps #web if it is related to some web site sw. |
| 15:46.09 | letsstartwedding | how i can find? |
| 15:46.28 | letsstartwedding | ah yes nice thanks |
| 15:47.08 | twobitsprite | I feel like we've just been spammed and/or trolled |
| 15:48.12 | letsstartwedding | ? |
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| 15:58.52 | _martin | hi, how can i install debian on a nas? |
| 15:59.27 | formorer | how can I change the lights in my car? |
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| 15:59.45 | nvz | _martin: to run on the device itself or to use as just a rootfs over the network or something? |
| 16:00.00 | berzerka | _martin: its easy! just point your browser to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 16:00.18 | formorer | and I would say it highly depends on the NAS |
| 16:00.28 | nvz | I can think of 3 entirely different things you could call running debian on nas |
| 16:00.46 | sney | yeah, usually those consumer NAS boxes like the d-link one have their own forums for installing different things on them |
| 16:01.20 | formorer | there are debian installers for some popular nas devices |
| 16:01.21 | _martin | I got a readynas duo which is shipped out with debian sarge and some etch packages on a sparc |
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| 16:03.43 | zetheroo | had to perform a cold power off on a machine and on booting it back up it's coming up with "EXT-fs error (device sda1): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced" .... it's been going at this for about 10 min now .. and it up to 800+ now ... just wondering how much longer this can take ... |
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| 16:04.06 | formorer | 42, maybe 88 or 23 |
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| 16:05.03 | _martin | I'm doing a dist. upgrade and get this error message http://pastebin.com/EGqxiK39 dpkg: error processing nis (--configure): what can i do? |
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| 16:06.30 | _martin | u don't know? |
| 16:06.35 | berzerka | _martin: looks like you dont have a hostname set. nis seems to depend upon that when configuring. |
| 16:06.41 | berzerka | type hostname in a shell. |
| 16:06.45 | _martin | i got no hosts file in /etc/ |
| 16:06.50 | Yomic | Greetings; I just installed Debian with just the standard packaging (no GUI) but it didn't seem to include any network tools (ie. I can't use ifconfig). Can someone point me in a direction to get started? |
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| 16:07.02 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.02 | _martin | debian-sparc |
| 16:07.06 | _martin | ups, sry |
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| 16:07.58 | berzerka | _martin: is debian-sparc the hostname? |
| 16:08.02 | _martin | can someone give me the content of the /etc/hosts file |
| 16:08.03 | _martin | y |
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| 16:11.26 | _martin | anyway i get this error again when i do apt-get upgrade |
| 16:11.56 | Yomic | What is the basic networking package for Debian? I just installed Debian a bare-bones noUI and it doesn't seem to have any network tools |
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| 16:12.25 | nkuttler | Yomic: network tools like.. ? |
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| 16:12.30 | Yomic | ifconfig |
| 16:12.58 | nkuttler | meh, dpkg still not back? |
| 16:13.03 | nkuttler | Yomic: apt-cache search ifconfig |
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| 16:13.30 | Yomic | Thanks! |
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| 16:14.00 | mekeor | why does apt load something from "dl.google.com" when i type "apt-get update"? |
| 16:14.18 | nkuttler | mekeor: check your sources.list |
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| 16:14.55 | Yomic | Ah, I was able to use ifconfig as root, but I didn't have sudo originally. Thanks for the help |
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| 16:15.50 | mekeor | nkuttler: this is my sources.list: "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" |
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| 16:16.19 | mekeor | it's clean |
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| 16:19.36 | invariant | Is there a tool which will return whether or not a file has a non-silent audio stream associated with it? |
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| 16:20.15 | babilen | invariant: You mean if any given file contains audio? |
| 16:20.25 | invariant | babilen, no, I mean what I said. |
| 16:20.38 | invariant | babilen, some files have audiostreams with no actual signal. |
| 16:20.49 | babilen | invariant: What does it mean for a file to have "a non-silent audio stream associated with it" -- Associated how? |
| 16:21.07 | invariant | babilen, e.g. a movie generally has some audio associated with it. |
| 16:21.37 | invariant | babilen, associated/embedded. |
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| 16:21.51 | mtn | doesn't audio equate to sound by definition? |
| 16:22.18 | invariant | mtn, nobody uses the word sound. |
| 16:22.27 | invariant | mtn, used* |
| 16:22.36 | mtn | I think I just did |
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| 16:23.04 | mtn | non-silent doesn't equate to sound? |
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| 16:28.01 | mtn | now that is a silent audio stream :P |
| 16:28.04 | sioux_ | hi.. how can i set some job once time and delete that job? |
| 16:28.40 | petemc | at, atrm |
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| 16:54.01 | quizme | http://pastebin.com/TbdNhWZ1 |
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| 17:03.52 | SiDz | whats happening with ia32-libs in wheezy |
| 17:04.14 | SiDz | i can't install it anymore ( it have been removed in the last update i did) |
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| 17:04.21 | babilen | SiDz: They are obsolete since multiarch has been introduced |
| 17:04.48 | istevenmon | hello guys, i am planning to do a preseeding installation, i already did the first server with all the configurations i would like to reply in the other installations, is there a way to generate the preseed config file from this server? |
| 17:04.51 | babilen | SiDz: You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO and http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 17:06.00 | SiDz | fine thanks |
| 17:06.01 | SiDz | :) |
| 17:06.22 | kanzure | is there a way to interrupt the debian install process and default to 'yes'? |
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| 17:07.45 | babilen | kanzure: No, as "yes" isn't an appropriate answer to every question that you will be asked. |
| 17:08.11 | babilen | (e.g. "Which locale should be the system default?") |
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| 17:18.32 | zumbi | kanzure: you might be able to preseed the answers for the installer and automate the installation |
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| 17:18.43 | zumbi | !preseed |
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| 17:19.02 | zumbi | uhm.. no dpkg |
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| 17:22.18 | kanzure | zumbi: thanks |
| 17:22.25 | kanzure | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 17:23.10 | babilen | kanzure: If you simply want to automate installations look at preseeding or FAI |
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| 17:23.29 | kanzure | babilen: i'm in a low power situation and i just want to avoid turning on the screen |
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| 17:24.02 | kanzure | i'm at grub installation anyway, i figure i'm close to done. |
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| 17:25.03 | babilen | yes, you are -- that is the last step :) |
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| 17:26.10 | kanzure | babilen: oh look at that. like magic. |
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| 17:26.23 | kanzure | wtf why do i have 2.6.32? isn't that old? |
| 17:26.44 | babilen | kanzure: You can always SSH into the box and complete the installation in that way -- See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#network-console for details on that (preseeding and other automatic ways are also discussed therein) |
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| 17:27.40 | babilen | kanzure: 2.6.32 is the kernel in squeeze which is the current stable release. you can install 3.2 from backports (http://backports-master.debian.org/) and the next release (wheezy) will contain 3.2 |
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| 17:34.02 | saneshark | anyone know how to do a wget query that has the little Utf8 checkmark that rails apps use as a parameter? |
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| 17:37.37 | nkuttler | saneshark: what? |
| 17:38.03 | kanzure | babilen: neat, didn't know about that ssh trick. |
| 17:38.15 | kanzure | babilen: nah, i think i should upgrade to wheezy anyway |
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| 17:40.49 | babilen | kanzure: You could have used the beta4 installer right away then -- http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ with firmware) |
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| 17:42.07 | Forte | ciao a tutti |
| 17:42.15 | Forte | ciao |
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| 17:42.22 | Forte | !list |
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| 17:42.35 | babilen | Forte: No warez here -- Go elsewhere or decide to use free software. |
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| 17:43.27 | kanzure | babilen: i did pxe install and started with whatever i grabbed. i guess i grabbed stable. |
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| 17:47.23 | Yomic | I've set up networking, but I can't seem to ping one static IP address, although I can ping IPs on DHCP. The static IP PC can ping the server however. |
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| 17:47.59 | Yomic | Any idea as to what could be causing this? |
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| 18:19.29 | jparkton | I am trying to find a decent client I can use on Debian for google voice, I tried installing yate but there is no GUI starting when I run yate. Anyone know a good client I can use or help me figure out whats going on with yate? |
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| 18:24.59 | somiaj | jparkton: I don't know what will connect to google voice, but yate is it's own VOIP software. 'yate' is just the server, I htink you need yate-qt4 for the gui client |
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| 18:25.13 | somiaj | jparkton: you could try the gui client, but again I'm unsure if it connects to google voice or not |
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| 18:27.51 | psichas | where could i read about debian's time support? |
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| 18:28.44 | somiaj | psichas: what do you mean by time support? |
| 18:29.18 | psichas | i mean, how long debian 6 can get updates? |
| 18:29.47 | somiaj | psichas: once wheezy stabilizes, oldstable (squeeze) will recive security support for one full year after the release date |
| 18:30.13 | somiaj | psichas: since debian releases based on 'when it is ready' there is no exact dates until the actual release. Debian releases have been typically 3 or so years between the next stable |
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| 18:30.38 | somiaj | psichas: after a year has passed oldstable is moved to archive.debian.org and will no longer recive security patches. |
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| 18:32.03 | nkuttler | saneshark: i see. i assumed you tried a unicode terminal? did you try a html entity? ask the rails support channel i guess |
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| 18:35.47 | somiaj | psichas: note wheezy should be released in the next 3-6 months (rough guess) so I would give debian 6 about 1.5 more years of security support (Give or take a few months) |
| 18:36.50 | psichas | thanks |
| 18:37.00 | psichas | soamiaj |
| 18:37.18 | psichas | somiaj |
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| 18:51.51 | HelenB_ | Anyone know of a cli prog which can display alsorts of information based on the moon, sun, earth and local weather/climate? |
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| 18:55.58 | Guest48456 | weather-util - command-line tool to obtain weather conditions and forecasts ? |
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| 19:23.16 | yonk | in what form do tools like debootstrap expect the --arch argument to be formed? amd64, x86_64 ... or what? |
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| 19:26.09 | invariant | Is there any implementation of xpath 1.0 in Debian which implements ends-with according to specification? |
| 19:26.15 | rgr | first hit : http://mylinux.blog.de/2010/03/14/debootstrapping-amd64-ubuntu-from-32bit-8174809/ . expect its the same argument as for Ubuntu.... |
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| 19:28.43 | yonk | rgr: ah, thanks. So for 32bit it is i386. Is i686 also possible ? |
| 19:29.15 | rgr | I have no idea. |
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| 19:33.05 | yonk | no, it works not. I just checked |
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| 19:55.48 | jagginess | when i reboot my machine one raid set seems to go into auto-read-only (hosting my swap).. |
| 19:56.07 | jagginess | :( |
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| 20:01.35 | alusion | I'm making a haiku for RMS, I need some help |
| 20:01.39 | alusion | Freedom is a bird, |
| 20:01.39 | alusion | when allowed to fly, guides us |
| 20:01.55 | alusion | I dunno a good 3rd line >_< |
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| 20:09.37 | invariant | alusion, when set loose, destroys us. |
| 20:09.54 | alusion | 1 syllable too long |
| 20:10.04 | invariant | alusion, remove the when? |
| 20:10.37 | invariant | alusion, although, it's still completely inconsistent then. |
| 20:10.57 | invariant | never liked haikus |
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| 20:22.46 | damacus | haikus never liked; never liked their detractors; mutual feeling |
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| 20:30.25 | shev-mike | всем привет. подскажите для несообразительных, где можно скачать debian testing на оф сайте есть только 3 DVD из 9 |
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| 20:32.59 | rudi_s | Hi. Any idea why mplayer doesn't display "clip info" anymore for ogg vorbis music files? |
| 20:33.03 | rudi_s | *on sid |
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| 20:39.05 | acu | I want to download all the files from http://hgdownload.cse.ucsc.edu/admin/exe/linux.x86_64/ how can I do it |
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| 20:40.10 | eizu | acu: you can use wget for that. |
| 20:40.24 | acu | eizu: wget how ? |
| 20:42.35 | shev-mike | where to download debian 7 testing? of. site - 3 dvd of 9. please give me link |
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| 20:43.10 | jagginess | curl better than wge |
| 20:44.24 | yonk | wget is even to stupid when providing a file with URLs to download to -c ontinue the download of partially retrieved files |
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| 20:45.04 | LtL | shev-mike: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:45.55 | eizu | acu: try "wget --mirror -e robots=off thatsite" |
| 20:46.30 | eizu | Note that robots=off is probably bad etiquete to the site, and they may have "nofollow" to disallow spiders such as wget in the first place. |
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| 20:47.09 | yonk | I just wanted to download a bunch of files |
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| 20:48.01 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:48.29 | Agiofws | is there a package that is named as core ImportError: No module named core |
| 20:49.28 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/9wyGgmK0 can anyone here help me solve this am i missing a package ? or something ? |
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| 20:55.11 | bolt | Agiofws: ask garmin? |
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| 20:57.09 | shev-mike | Sorry for my stupidity, but where can I download Debian is 7 Testing using torrent or http or ftp? |
| 20:57.29 | shev-mike | links? |
| 20:58.00 | damacus | i think with testing you'll need to do a netinstall |
| 20:58.28 | mtn1 | shev-mike: go to debian.org |
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| 20:59.28 | LtL | shev-mike: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ second time |
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| 21:00.16 | Optic | mo |
| 21:00.23 | v1cio | hi |
| 21:00.44 | shev-mike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.08 | LtL | shev-mike: what arch |
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| 21:01.30 | shev-mike | i386 |
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| 21:02.48 | pigeonor | anyone able to help me setup apc? |
| 21:02.51 | LtL | shev-mike: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:02.52 | pigeonor | keep getting errors |
| 21:03.13 | pigeonor | either apc or uploadprogress |
| 21:03.56 | shev-mike | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ - 3 dvd of 9!!! |
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| 21:05.02 | shev-mike | where to download the rest? |
| 21:05.09 | LtL | shev-mike: you wanted dvd or cd? |
| 21:05.30 | shev-mike | only dvd |
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| 21:05.45 | LtL | shev-mike: i don't know if there is nine dvd's, apparently not |
| 21:06.23 | pigeonor | https://gist.github.com/143e7b0329d68470b817 |
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| 21:15.34 | woshty | i switched from wdm to lightdm in wheezy. i do have a multiseat setup and get rather strange error. most of the time, only one seat is getting started, the other one fails with stuff like magic cookie or No protocol specified in lightdm/x-0-greeter.log. what might be the cause of this? |
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| 21:27.07 | ws | is there any benefit of using kwallet with blank password vs not using kwallet at all? |
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| 21:29.10 | jagginess | ws, that protects your keys.. you have to use a passphrase |
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| 21:29.35 | ws | jagginess: but I don't plan to use a passphrase anyway... |
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| 21:30.01 | ws | jagginess: if someone can access my file with keys, then encryption of this file is the least of my worries, as he can already access all my files. |
| 21:30.25 | jagginess | ws, he cant access your keys if you use a passphrase |
| 21:30.46 | ws | jagginess: but I told you that's not the question |
| 21:30.59 | jagginess | ws, the answer is, yes. there is a benefit |
| 21:31.10 | ws | jagginess: I mean, I'm thinking whether a kwallet with blank password has any merit over not using kwallet at all.. |
| 21:31.13 | jagginess | ws, of using a passphrase |
| 21:31.20 | jagginess | ws, rtfm. |
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| 21:32.14 | ws | jagginess: sure, you should've just said you don't know |
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| 21:33.30 | Justin | ws: well, the data is still potentially encrypted, so it is at least obfuscated on disk |
| 21:33.34 | jagginess | (checksums don't exhibit symmetric encryption. go read on cryptology.) |
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| 21:34.08 | Justin | but that doesn't really buy you much. I don't know why you would use a keychain with an empty passphrase |
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| 21:35.22 | damacus | it's more secure than storing them in a plaintext file |
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| 21:35.40 | damacus | but yeah i dont know why you wouldnt do the next logical step and add a pw.. |
| 21:35.52 | ws | not to bother typing it simply |
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| 21:36.13 | ws | if someone can access files on my computer, then he can probably set up a keylogger anyway |
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| 21:36.39 | damacus | the simple answer to your original question is yes |
| 21:36.44 | damacus | but i think you should reconsider. |
| 21:37.23 | ws | from what I gather, without kwallet, kmail would just store as a plain text |
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| 21:38.24 | ws | I'm not sure about chromium -- but I'm not sure if using kwallet along with chromium can prevent escalation of potential security breaches ... sorry, I don't really know how modern browsers work |
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| 21:42.11 | jagginess | well we don't know either. move along. |
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| 21:44.25 | raz | anyone know if there are debs of libqt >= 4.7 somewhere that will install cleanly on squeeze? |
| 21:44.45 | raz | building that from source is such a chore |
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| 21:45.09 | jagginess | raz, try backports |
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| 21:45.13 | raz | the unstable version wants to upgrade all sorts of stuff that i don't feel like upgrading ;) |
| 21:45.17 | raz | jagginess: i looked, doesn't seem to be in there |
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| 21:46.51 | keith4_ | raz: by "building from source" you mean building the source package? e.g., backporting it yourself? |
| 21:47.07 | raz | keith4_: nah i'll just build it from source and put it where i need it |
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| 21:47.22 | raz | trying to debify that monster would probably take ages |
| 21:47.35 | keith4_ | have you tried to ssb it? |
| 21:47.43 | raz | ssb? |
| 21:47.49 | keith4_ | !tell raz about ssb |
| 21:48.00 | nvz | raz: use a chroot for whatever you're building/running |
| 21:48.05 | keith4_ | hmm. bot's not here |
| 21:48.29 | raz | nvz: yes, it's no big deal to patch LD_LIBRARY_PATH etc. |
| 21:48.38 | nvz | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:48.47 | raz | nvz: the actual build is just annoying, ./configure alone takes minutes ;) |
| 21:49.26 | raz | nvz: aah.. hmm that's not a bad idea. on second though i'm actually in doubt now though whether replacing the system qt in that way is such a good idea |
| 21:49.39 | keith4_ | no, it's probably not a good idea |
| 21:49.58 | nvz | raz: yeah I wouldnt do it.. when i need to run something or compile somethng like that I make a chroot to satisfy it |
| 21:50.12 | nvz | http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/factoid.php?key=simple+sid+backport fwiw. factoids are online |
| 21:50.14 | raz | yap doing that now |
| 21:50.44 | nvz | so you can link to them when the bots arent here |
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| 21:53.50 | pigeonor | anyone know how to setup apc? |
| 21:54.36 | nvz | bigger problem is setting up TLA replacement |
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| 21:54.52 | nvz | cause I'm sitting here thinking aobut Armored Personell Carriers right now |
| 21:55.41 | nvz | ew.. apparently you're referring to alternative php caching |
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| 21:56.23 | nvz | either way thats said to be as simple as installing php5-apc |
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| 21:58.29 | pigeonor | yeah, i have tried |
| 21:58.30 | pigeonor | no luck |
| 21:58.39 | pigeonor | debian lenny is a p.i.t.a |
| 21:59.00 | nvz | well lemme tell you how this works.. most of us cannot read your mind or see what problems arise on your end.. so you gotta tell us what the problem is |
| 21:59.11 | pigeonor | https://gist.github.com/143e7b0329d68470b817 |
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| 21:59.23 | nvz | http://www.electrictoolbox.com/install-apc-php-debian-5-lenny/ found this btw if you're on lenny |
| 21:59.33 | pigeonor | yeah, i tried that already |
| 21:59.50 | pigeonor | http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=354914.0 this too |
| 22:00.00 | pigeonor | i get stuck at the pecl install apc part |
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| 22:00.54 | nvz | idk wth a pecl is, but its probably why we have apt-get install php5-apc |
| 22:01.05 | nvz | which is what I was referring to when I said its as simple as installing it |
| 22:01.18 | nvz | ,versions php5-apc |
| 22:01.19 | judd | No package named 'php5-apc' was found in i386. |
| 22:01.28 | nvz | ,versions php-apc |
| 22:01.29 | judd | Package: php-apc on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.19-2; squeeze: 3.1.3p1-2; squeeze-backports: 3.1.9-0.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1.13-1; wheezy: 3.1.13-1 |
| 22:01.45 | pigeonor | E: Couldn't find package php5-apc |
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| 22:01.46 | nvz | well this proves one thing.. I was wrong about the package name |
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| 22:02.14 | ws | jagginess, Justin: thanks |
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| 22:03.29 | pigeonor | so no luck? |
| 22:03.30 | pigeonor | :-( |
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| 22:05.37 | moty66 | YESSSSS |
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| 22:07.32 | ws | nah, I'm still confused about its usefullness |
| 22:07.34 | ws | https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101241/ |
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| 22:08.21 | factor | What is thebest way to reset the password of a mysql server in debian |
| 22:09.08 | nvz | mysqladmin probably since it doesnt really require you to have the password to change it IIRC |
| 22:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, dpkg is in vacation |
| 22:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 22:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt, forgot mysql root password |
| 22:10.27 | apt | well, forgot mysql root password is shutdown mysql. Start mysqld with --skip-grant-tables. Login, mysql -u root. "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root';" and "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;". |
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| 22:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, ^^^ |
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| 22:10.44 | factor | ok looking |
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| 22:11.19 | factor | it wont let me start mysql |
| 22:11.38 | factor | i have to do with ./etc int.d |
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| 22:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
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| 22:12.55 | pigeonor | i either need apc or uploadprogress |
| 22:12.56 | pigeonor | :-( |
| 22:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | factor, you have to stop it first, obviously (as the factoid says) |
| 22:14.22 | factor | oh ok I can use the paramaeters on the startup script |
| 22:14.26 | factor | that owrked |
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| 22:19.29 | pigeonor | shtool at '/tmp/pear/temp/uploadprogress/build/shtool' does not exist or is not executable |
| 22:19.34 | pigeonor | any clues guys? |
| 22:22.02 | factor | ok thanks got it to work. had to set the -p mysql to set the mysql db |
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| 22:22.06 | factor | as well |
| 22:22.11 | factor | or the update would not work |
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| 22:22.37 | factor | but usually just downloaded mysql and compiled it to test it on my system, oracle makes you fill out stuff now |
| 22:22.43 | factor | PTIA |
| 22:22.52 | factor | had to actually get the debian one going |
| 22:23.42 | pigeonor | ?? |
| 22:23.50 | jagginess | i think he meant to say pita |
| 22:23.52 | jagginess | noob |
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| 22:25.25 | nvz | pigeonor: ls -l /tmp/pear/temp/uploadprogress/build/shtool |
| 22:25.25 | nikolaj_basher | Hi is there someone who use IspCp for there server? |
| 22:25.55 | pigeonor | https://gist.github.com/ef6f741b0ac24b2b5d3f |
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| 22:26.31 | nvz | pigeonor: well there you have it.. the file doesn't exist |
| 22:26.54 | pigeonor | shtool is already the newest version. |
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| 22:27.13 | pigeonor | https://gist.github.com/fc9b9f6e5cb04f21befa |
| 22:27.19 | factor | Pains The In Abdomen |
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| 22:27.38 | nvz | pigeonor: this indicates youre still using pecl and not apt-get |
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| 22:27.50 | pigeonor | oh ok, makes sense |
| 22:27.55 | pigeonor | so what do you suggest i do ? |
| 22:27.58 | nvz | pigeonor: apt-get install php-apc |
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| 22:28.16 | pigeonor | php-apc is already the newest version. |
| 22:28.32 | nvz | did you restart apache? |
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| 22:28.49 | nvz | cause near as I can tell thats all thats involved in getting this working |
| 22:29.34 | pigeonor | "/etc/init.d/apache2 graceful" |
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| 22:29.39 | pigeonor | that command? |
| 22:29.50 | nvz | doesn't sound familiar |
| 22:29.57 | nvz | but if it works.. |
| 22:30.19 | pigeonor | https://gist.github.com/0b306ce6eecdaac9a8bd |
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| 22:30.36 | nvz | the document I linked you to said something about apache2ctl which I'm not familiar with either |
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| 22:31.29 | nvz | pigeonor: sounds like you have an already running instance of apache conflicting |
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| 22:31.52 | nvz | the unable to open logs thing I find troublesome |
| 22:32.07 | nvz | makes me think you've f'd up permissions or user apache runs as somehow |
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| 22:32.23 | pigeonor | yeah, im checking with host |
| 22:32.52 | blackshirt | hello, is it possible to install kfreebsd image on the same system with debian linux? |
| 22:33.34 | nvz | blackshirt: idk what you mean by kfreebsd image..but probably is possible |
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| 22:34.55 | blackshirt | nvz, do you know debian kfreebsd ? |
| 22:35.46 | nvz | blackshirt: heard of it, yes.. there is no reason you can't dualboot any number of OSes |
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| 22:36.20 | codygman_ | What's the easiest way to get rxvt-unicode with 256 colors on vanilla squeeze? |
| 22:36.49 | blackshirt | nvz, i mean not for dual boot..but directly install kfreebsd kernel directly |
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| 22:37.29 | nvz | blackshirt: well considering kfreebsd is not linux that means all the software you got compiled for linux isnt gonna work on a foreign architecture |
| 22:37.48 | fedya | i'm curious, when you run this: dpkg -l '*' | grep "^un" where is dkpg getting the info from? i ran dpkg --clear-avail first and thought it would rebuild the /var/lib/dpkg/available file, but it's size is 0 |
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| 22:39.27 | blackshirt | nvz, maybe .. but debian linux and debian kfreebsd share the same userland |
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| 22:39.32 | nvz | blackshirt: the kfreebsd is currently still in a "technology preview" phase running debian on non-linux is not yet officially supported |
| 22:39.51 | docgnome | is there a way to get a list of the packages i have installed via pinning? |
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| 22:40.01 | docgnome | i know i have some i just cant remember what heh |
| 22:40.07 | netzsooc | if I mounted a NTFS hd, is it possible to chmod files? I've tried chmod 755 on_movie.avi and an opperation not supported came out |
| 22:40.51 | fedya | oh and i ran aptitude update according to something i saw on a forum |
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| 22:43.08 | nvz | blackshirt: its theoretically possible but i sure as hell wouldnt want to run a freebsd kernel using compat libraries for my entire system which is compiled for linux |
| 22:43.38 | pigeonor | anyone know of a good ubuntu vps that give unlimited space? |
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| 22:44.12 | frikinz | While I think I've done it with installation, is it possible to remove a package from an other rootfs ? like I'd like to remove packages from another mounted debian system? without chrooting (different arch) |
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| 22:45.02 | fedya | where does dpkg get its --list from? |
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| 22:46.13 | frikinz | fedya: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:46.26 | damacus | man page, files section, /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:47.02 | netzsooc | if I mounted a NTFS hd, is it possible to chmod files? I've tried chmod 755 on_movie.avi and "opperation not supported" came out |
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| 22:47.35 | fedya | frikinz: what i can't understand is why dpkg -l '*' shows (what seems like) all packages, but there's nothing in the status file saying that they're not installed, everything in the status file appears to be installed in fact |
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| 22:48.12 | nvz | blackshirt: #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org (OFTC) |
| 22:48.13 | fedya | seems mysterious that "un" files would make in there, especially after i did --clear-avail |
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| 22:48.33 | blackshirt | ok, thank nvz .. i would go there |
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| 22:48.42 | chovy | sudo just stopped working for me |
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| 22:48.57 | chovy | $ sudo apt-get search tsocks |
| 22:49.00 | chovy | [sudo] password for me: |
| 22:49.03 | chovy | me is not in the sudoers file. |
| 22:49.08 | chovy | it worked fine the other day |
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| 22:50.26 | frikinz | fedya: probably the ones for which you kept config files |
| 22:50.42 | frikinz | fedya: remove / purge difference |
| 22:50.52 | damacus | netzsooc: no, ntfs doesnt do posix permissions |
| 22:50.53 | fedya | un xisp <none> (no description available) <-- doesn't "un" mean it's been purged? |
| 22:51.39 | netzsooc | oh I see damacus |
| 22:51.43 | netzsooc | thanks |
| 22:51.51 | fedya | dpkg -P xisp fails because its not installed |
| 22:51.51 | frikinz | fedya: hum no idea, I think I've never seen this indeed :) |
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| 22:52.03 | frikinz | fedya: rc would be removed |
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| 22:52.18 | frikinz | fedya: you get "un" with dpkg -l ? |
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| 22:52.27 | fedya | and cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep xisp shows one result where it's a conflict of bind |
| 22:52.42 | frikinz | fedya: ah dpkg -l '*' |
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| 22:53.01 | frikinz | well, not installed |
| 22:53.01 | fedya | frikinz: if you do dpkg -l it shows you just installed packages with the '*' it shows you all packages |
| 22:53.02 | LtL | chovy: apt-get has no search argument try aptitude, nor does it require root privelege |
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| 22:53.18 | chovy | LtL: i can't sudo. that's just an example |
| 22:53.33 | chovy | $ sudo bash -l |
| 22:53.36 | frikinz | so, nobody knows how to remove packages from a foreign locally mounted system? |
| 22:53.44 | chovy | is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 22:53.49 | frikinz | I'll do it hardcore then |
| 22:54.01 | fedya | i'm just baffled as to where the uninstalled ones are coming from, the list seems short for being ALL the packages, and /var/lib/dpkg/available is empty after i ran dpkg --clear-avail |
| 22:54.10 | LtL | chovy: run visudo, add yourself |
| 22:54.44 | chovy | LtL i'm in the sudo group |
| 22:54.48 | chovy | but that doesn't work. |
| 22:54.56 | chovy | i haven't changed anything, it just stopped working. |
| 22:55.03 | LtL | chovy: i'm not but i iuse sudo, run visudo |
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| 22:55.18 | chovy | can i use vi instead of nano with visudo? |
| 22:55.37 | LtL | chovy: if youre in a gui, its gksu or something btw |
| 22:55.40 | tensorpudding | visudo will use whatever $EDITOR is set to |
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| 22:55.56 | LtL | chovy: visudo uses vi bt default hence the name |
| 22:56.06 | chovy | it uses nano by default |
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| 22:56.20 | chovy | anyway, that file never changed. why else would sudo stop working? |
| 22:56.26 | LtL | chovy: what tensorpudding said. |
| 22:56.50 | chovy | LtL: got it. i saved it with visudo, but i am not in that file, i'm using groups |
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| 22:58.59 | frikinz | fedya: no idea. maybe from dependencies of installed package? |
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| 22:59.59 | fedya | it's very weird, i read that dpkg -l "*" will use the status file and a package cache (I thought it was the available file) |
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| 23:02.11 | AngryBlackGuy | excuse me, how can i find out what interface httpd is listening to while its running? |
| 23:02.25 | jagginess | ss -l |
| 23:02.38 | jagginess | AngryBlackGuy, should also say in your apache config in /etc/apa<>/ |
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| 23:02.59 | AngryBlackGuy | hmm ill take a look thanks |
| 23:03.16 | jagginess | AngryBlackGuy, that command too (ss -l or netstat -plutn) |
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| 23:03.49 | chovy | so nobody? |
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| 23:04.19 | frikinz | fedya: dpkg -l '*' returns something really approximate. I'd say it greps all package and dependencies and tells you which one are installed/uninstalled etc.. |
| 23:04.22 | fedya | for example: dpkg -l '*ftp*' returns just ncftp and sftp, neither of which are installed, but a apt-cache search ftp returns a TON of results, that's why i'm so curious about the discrepancy |
| 23:04.32 | frikinz | ^ |
| 23:04.36 | ^^^ | ok |
| 23:05.10 | jagginess | uh |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | fedya: apt-cache searches descriptions |
| 23:05.16 | frikinz | all *installed* packages and dependencies |
| 23:05.41 | jagginess | apt-cache search works against repository indexes.. dpkg -l works against stuff that was installed/uninstalled |
| 23:05.54 | fedya | so why wouldn't vsftpd show up in the dpkg -l "*ftp*" list then |
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| 23:06.06 | jagginess | fedya, cuse ya never installed it |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | fedya: have you ever installed it? |
| 23:06.10 | fedya | jagginess: does it remember what has been installed in the past? |
| 23:06.10 | jagginess | hehe |
| 23:06.25 | fedya | vsftpd was actually installed, until i purged it |
| 23:06.27 | jagginess | fedya, why not find out? install it and uninstall it :) |
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| 23:07.04 | tintin | How can i install libevent-1.4-2? |
| 23:07.10 | jagginess | purging wipes out more than uninstall (if theres settigns you want to keep it'll be deleted) |
| 23:07.11 | tintin | I can't install transmission from source? |
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| 23:09.10 | fedya | jagginess: if i did uninstall all the ones dpkg -l "*" marks with a "un" and they're not in /var/lib/dpkg/status, then HOW does dpkg know about them? |
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| 23:10.16 | frikinz | fedya: I told you |
| 23:10.42 | frikinz | fedya: its probably a dependency of a not uninstalled package |
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| 23:11.09 | fedya | oh |
| 23:11.20 | frikinz | fedya: grep the file for the package |
| 23:11.44 | fedya | yea when i did that for xisp it showed up in the status file under conflicts for the bing package |
| 23:11.50 | fedya | bind* |
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| 23:13.22 | frikinz | fedya: the "history" is in /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 23:13.54 | fedya | thanks, i think that list comes from them being mentioned in the status file |
| 23:14.18 | fedya | i've looked at a few and they appear under suggested or conflict |
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| 23:14.35 | fedya | i just wanted to understand what was going on, thanks a bunch |
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| 23:15.38 | moty66 | where is dpkg? |
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| 23:17.28 | diverdude | how can it take 48 hours to delete 16TB data from the debian installer??? |
| 23:17.36 | diverdude | and still only be at 4% |
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| 23:21.57 | abrotman | why are you deleting it? |
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| 23:35.32 | LtL | this reminds of the axiom, use the right tool for the job. |
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| 23:36.05 | LtL | however... to each his/her own :) |
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| 23:36.46 | gnarface | diverdude: maybe dma isn't enabled yet and you're deleting it in PIO mode? |
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| 23:41.09 | heyuxiang | hi, which package has the command "free" |
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| 23:43.19 | solidus-river1 | how do i set a password for dupload to use? |
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| 23:46.27 | heyuxiang | hello? |
| 23:46.50 | diverdude | gnarface, ahhh ok....that might be it....what happens if i just cancel it or restart it in the middle of the process? |
| 23:47.13 | diverdude | abrotman, it wanted to delete after i made some changes |
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| 23:48.10 | gnarface | diverdude: depends on the filesystem but either way you'll probably want to make sure you don't have some fragment of the data there still visible in the filesystem. how about try it again with a live cd, makeing sure hdparm says you got dma enabled? |
| 23:48.11 | pepperja1k | heyuxiang: apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update <--- this app lets you search for a specific file and find the package its in |
| 23:48.29 | gnarface | diverdude: you could be facing hardware failure too, in theory |
| 23:49.03 | solidus-river1 | wait if dupload scpb only works if no password is required, what good is it |
| 23:49.06 | heyuxiang | im on iphone |
| 23:49.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:49.18 | heyuxiang | pepperjack: thanks anyway |
| 23:49.19 | solidus-river1 | there is no way i'm allowing a non password protected user to ssh into my freakin server |
| 23:49.21 | netzsooc | is it possible to stream a movie via UPnP if this movie is mounted on an hd with ntfs format? |
| 23:49.27 | solidus-river1 | and i wont allow anonymous ftp sessions either |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | heyuxiang: there's a search in the website |
| 23:49.37 | diverdude | gnarface, so i have to wat until it has finished? that could take 3 months |
| 23:49.39 | solidus-river1 | is there no way to use dupload with a secure repo? |
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| 23:50.32 | gnarface | diverdude: no i didn't say that i'm saying it may never finihs |
| 23:50.38 | gnarface | diverdude: i'm saying you may have to shoot the hostage |
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| 23:50.53 | diverdude | gnarface, what is "shoot the hostage" ? |
| 23:51.18 | gnarface | diverdude: why exactly are you trying to use the installer for this? because it was the only thing you could boot the system with that you had on hand? |
| 23:51.35 | diverdude | gnarface, because i wanted to intall raid5 |
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| 23:51.54 | gnarface | diverdude: what does that got to do with manually deleting 16tb of data though, why not just reformat? |
| 23:52.06 | pepperjack | heyuxiang: procps I believe is the package |
| 23:52.22 | diverdude | gnarface, it asked to delete that data when i had changed the partitions and i just pressed yes |
| 23:52.51 | diverdude | gnarface, there isnt even any data on the disks...they are brand new |
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| 23:53.15 | abrotman | pfft, who needs a bot |
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| 23:53.22 | themill | %wb |
| 23:53.22 | dselect | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 23:53.50 | gnarface | diverdude: OH i thought you were just using rm. ... you said 16TB? that is gonna take a while in ext*.... |
| 23:54.06 | diverdude | gnarface, nono i didnt do rm |
| 23:54.41 | diverdude | gnarface, ok it has been standing in something like 30 hours by now and its a 4% |
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| 23:55.42 | diverdude | gnarface, so that means it will be finished deleting in 1 month |
| 23:55.59 | diverdude | thats just insane' |
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| 23:57.04 | gnarface | diverdude: well if the installer has gotten to this point without enabling dma on your system it could be a bug ... you shouldn't be doing this in PIO mode... so that could be part of your problem. what filesystem are you using by the way? ext3 and ext4 aren't known for quick format times |
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| 23:57.48 | themill | jealous bot. |
| 23:57.48 | diverdude | gnarface, thats ext4 |
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| 23:58.49 | gnarface | diverdude: yea i know for a fact that you can use filesystems that format+resize much faster than ext4, so that's also something worth looking into especially if you're working with very large individual files as well as very large partitions... |
| 23:59.42 | Derpian | Are the debian mirrors slow for anybody? |