| 00:00.04 | gnarface | not for me |
| 00:00.08 | gnarface | are they slow for you? |
| 00:00.08 | diverdude | gnarface, hmm i see...my plan was to run a raid5 on a 4x4tb harddisk where i have a 1mb grub partition and 8gb swappartion...and the rest almost 12tb in one large partition |
| 00:01.10 | gnarface | diverdude: personally i think you should consider xfs... but check into that DMA thing first. it may be that this should only take days not months.... |
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| 00:01.56 | gnarface | thought there was some sort of format-as-you-go option for software raid but maybe dreamed it |
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| 00:02.29 | diverdude | gnarface, hmmm so if i just pull out the power plug it could physically damage the disks? |
| 00:03.18 | gnarface | no i doubt that but you'll almost certainly need to start over on your installation |
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| 00:04.49 | diverdude | gnarface, hmm yeah ok..thats no problem....can i somewhere activate this dma? |
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| 00:05.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 00:05.36 | dpkg | Since Thu Nov 29 23:54:14 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 10m 8s this session, and currently reference 39665 factoids. I'm using about 18428 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4.93/0.66 child 0.24/0.15 |
| 00:06.21 | gnarface | diverdude: well you need to figure out whether or not its activating automatically (which is what should be happening) .... you may want to do a trial run of creating the raid array from a live image just to make sure the kernel is working with your drive array and you're getting the proper throughput, and if not maybe how to fix it |
| 00:07.05 | Derpian | must be the snow storm |
| 00:08.14 | diverdude | gnarface, mmm and is there an option for that in the live cd? |
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| 00:08.33 | gnarface | diverdude: the problem is i'm really not sure how long ext4 SHOULD take for that much drive space... i know it will be well over just a couple hours. at least "several" hours, but i agree 30 days still seems a long time... |
| 00:09.09 | gnarface | diverdude: well if the tools aren't in the livecd the point is you can install them to memory in the live cd since (unlike the installer) its a fully functioning desktop |
| 00:09.28 | gnarface | diverdude: but i'd imagine that it'd have most of what you need |
| 00:09.35 | ScottG | What's the name of the debian release for multimedia and other sketchy stuff? |
| 00:09.56 | gnarface | ScottG: its not an official part of debian. |
| 00:10.02 | gnarface | !deb-multimedia |
| 00:10.02 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 00:10.04 | diverdude | gnarface, i see...hmm i wish there was a proper tutorial for this :/ its pretty difficult |
| 00:10.28 | ScottG | !why not dmm |
| 00:10.29 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
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| 00:10.53 | ScottG | hmm |
| 00:10.54 | abrotman | you can msg the bot ... |
| 00:11.12 | ScottG | This isn't like twitter where it's hip for everyone to see your conversation? |
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| 00:13.05 | themill | no, it's quite unlike twitter. We try to keep S/N > 1. |
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| 00:14.21 | diverdude | gnarface, isnt there some option somewhere in the installer to use dma? |
| 00:14.34 | diverdude | or some command in alt+f4 i can use to activate it |
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| 00:15.12 | gnarface | diverdude: i'm telling you, it should be enabled by default. unfortunately i do *not* think the installer has any command-line tools to manipulate it directly if it has not been enabled automatically, hence my suggestion to try this with the livecd (which does, or can get them easily) |
| 00:15.44 | ScottG | themill: s/n? |
| 00:15.57 | gnarface | diverdude: another option (perhaps much easier than all other options) would be to do a normal install off the raid and then create the raid from within that install |
| 00:16.31 | gnarface | diverdude: i would think the bot has links to some tutorial about this ... just don't know how to get it to confess them |
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| 00:17.16 | diverdude | gnarface, hmm i see...this? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 00:18.40 | gnarface | diverdude: yea. they're basically just different sized livecd's. "standard" and "rescue" don't include a GUI by default, so you might want to focus on one of the other 4 |
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| 00:18.57 | maylow | hi |
| 00:19.09 | maylow | i need help with installing grub from a live cd |
| 00:19.17 | maylow | from chroot i get Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting. |
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| 00:23.47 | Brigo | is there a "debian way" to configure ssh tunnels on boot? |
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| 00:26.26 | dondelelcaro | Brigo: not to my knowledge; you can just shove them into rc.local or something else useful. I'd probably use autossh too. |
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| 00:26.44 | gnarface | sshfs? |
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| 00:27.26 | Brigo | gnarface: no, i only need to restore ssh connetions on boot. |
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| 00:27.51 | gnarface | i wonder if ssh-agent can do stuff like that |
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| 00:28.09 | Brigo | i could make a init sript easely... but may be a better way in debian. |
| 00:28.11 | gnarface | i'd probably just throw them in rc.local too though |
| 00:28.37 | themill | I'd wonder about using hooks from /etc/network/interfaces for it |
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| 00:28.50 | gnarface | oh that'd work too |
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| 00:29.03 | gnarface | with a wrapper script |
| 00:29.10 | Brigo | well, that is a good idea for an |
| 00:29.18 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:31.05 | themill | Brigo: I can't imagine a package making this any easier than dropping your own stuff either in rc.local or in /e/n/interfaces. |
| 00:31.39 | ScottG | So I'm on stable and my desktop is crashing either when I run xz to decompress a file or when I run rsync to back up some stuff to an external HDD. My logs seem to show nothing. Any help? |
| 00:32.01 | Brigo | themill: i was thinking in somethin like iptabes-persist. |
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| 00:33.06 | Brigo | ScottG: do you have to press reset button? |
| 00:33.24 | Brigo | or is only a Xorg issue? |
| 00:33.48 | ScottG | Brigo: Right sorry I should be more specific, it actually freezes and I need to reboot. |
| 00:34.01 | ScottG | Brigo: It's a server, no X installed. On squeeze atm |
| 00:34.21 | Brigo | ScottG: well, the is disk ok? |
| 00:34.45 | Brigo | ScottG: it looks like a harware problem ... |
| 00:34.46 | ScottG | I'm thinking it MAY be related to the external HDD. I'm not sure if the decompression of the xz files has always been on the external disc... |
| 00:35.06 | ScottG | Brigo: Could you recommend any good disc checking packages I could get? |
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| 00:35.35 | Brigo | ScottG: but if a disk fails, you should get some log information. |
| 00:36.17 | ScottG | Brigo: Yeah, what happened the last few times is that the last logging information I got was about the disc mounting (since right before I did these things I mounted the disc) |
| 00:36.47 | Brigo | ScottG: can you paste it, please? |
| 00:36.51 | ScottG | Either way...I thought stable was suppose to be...stable. But it could be hardware related. It is a fairly old computer |
| 00:37.07 | ScottG | Brigo: The logging information related to the mount? |
| 00:37.19 | Brigo | yes. |
| 00:37.51 | ScottG | I'm pretty sure it was just standard logging info. I don't know if I would be able to find the exact logging information from right before the last incident. But I could just...remount it right now? |
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| 00:38.55 | Brigo | no, i want to know if the system make a remount readonly before the crash. |
| 00:39.32 | ScottG | oh, not it didn't. Like I remember explicitly looking at the logs and it was just reboot logging straight after the mount |
| 00:40.06 | Brigo | ScottG: only for test, you can try to use rsync and xz without the usb disk. |
| 00:40.44 | Brigo | what are the disk's filesystem ? |
| 00:40.51 | ScottG | Yeah I mean I think I could get it to crash right now. It's been pretty consistent. And I think the backups I was doing with rsync typically only take about 15 minutes and it still crashed |
| 00:41.09 | ScottG | Brigo: I think ext4 on both...although the external may have ext3... |
| 00:41.15 | ScottG | How can I check? |
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| 00:41.29 | Brigo | mount |
| 00:41.35 | Brigo | on comman line |
| 00:41.45 | ScottG | oh right. Yes ext3 on the external |
| 00:41.48 | Brigo | it give you the fs mounted |
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| 00:42.05 | ScottG | I think I can actually mount it as ext4... |
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| 00:42.37 | ScottG | Or am I wrong on that. That you can mount ext3 as 4? Or is it the other way around. I swear I was mounting one ext fs as another for a long time once |
| 00:42.49 | Brigo | you can try several things, mount it as ext2. |
| 00:43.21 | Brigo | ScottG: you can mount ext4 like ext3 ort ext2, but not ext2 like ext3 or ext3 like ext4 |
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| 00:43.41 | Brigo | ScottG: :-D |
| 00:43.51 | ScottG | ah ok gotcha |
| 00:43.54 | roaet | Hello. I'm looking for a google search string for automated debian install configuration? Is there a 'phrase' for it? |
| 00:44.11 | ScottG | I'm gonna run my backup script now Hopefully it will crash fast |
| 00:44.25 | Brigo | ScottG: good look, then :-D |
| 00:44.41 | roaet | Also if anyone knows how to get XenServer (i will move to #citrix soon) to pass these automated things, that'd be bonus internets. |
| 00:44.44 | Brigo | roaet: i am not sure, try debootstrap. |
| 00:45.41 | roaet | I think it is called preseed |
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| 00:46.55 | Brigo | roaet: yes it is. I am reading it in debian.org just now. |
| 00:47.21 | ScottG | Brigo: In the mean time. What are some disk checking utilities I could get? I'm pretty sure what's going to happen here is it's just going to freeze. Like I'm not really going to learn anything from this. |
| 00:47.24 | roaet | Yeah I'm checking it out. I'm not sure how to pass the preseed file to it though. And even more so, how to do it from xenserver. |
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| 00:48.24 | customersever | im having trouble installing debian squeeze on a raid 5 lvm, i know i have to do a certain thing so that /boot can be read before raid starts but im lost |
| 00:48.51 | roaet | oh awesome! |
| 00:48.53 | roaet | http://garfield001.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/modifying-bootable-debian-iso-image-with-preseed-for-automatic-installation/ |
| 00:48.56 | roaet | this is exactly what I need |
| 00:48.59 | roaet | super awesome. |
| 00:49.10 | Brigo | ScottG: for ext4 or ext3 you should have already installed fsck.ext3 and fsck.ext4 |
| 00:49.12 | bob_p | so do you know if anyone has ported debian to … the patriot javelin ? |
| 00:49.37 | bob_p | * patriot javelin s4 |
| 00:49.53 | Brigo | bob_p: a cpu? |
| 00:50.32 | bob_p | [nas]# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:50.32 | bob_p | processor : 0 |
| 00:50.34 | bob_p | cpu : 460EX |
| 00:50.35 | bob_p | clock : 800.000010MHz |
| 00:50.36 | bob_p | revision : 24.170 (pvr 1302 18aa) |
| 00:50.38 | bob_p | bogomips : 1600.00 |
| 00:50.40 | bob_p | timebase : 800000010 |
| 00:50.41 | bob_p | platform : PowerPC 44x Platform |
| 00:50.42 | bob_p | model : amcc,canyonlands |
| 00:50.43 | bob_p | Memory : 256 MB |
| 00:50.45 | bob_p | one of these … sorry for the flood |
| 00:50.51 | ScottG | TOO FAR |
| 00:50.57 | ScottG | Brigo: I've already ran those. I'm talking more about like SMART disk checking utilities |
| 00:51.09 | ScottG | S.M.A.R.T. |
| 00:51.11 | bob_p | it's basically a NAS |
| 00:51.11 | ScottG | or whatever |
| 00:51.12 | Brigo | ScottG: smart mount tools |
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| 00:51.22 | Brigo | ScottG: check for smartctl command |
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| 00:51.27 | Brigo | or install package. |
| 00:51.36 | bob_p | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822219006 |
| 00:52.18 | bob_p | (I have an SS-4000-E) but might want to upgrade to one of these if Debian binaries already exist |
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| 00:54.08 | Brigo | bob_p: If it is powerpc compatible i think you can do it. |
| 00:54.32 | bob_p | yeah was trying to find out if it's big or little endian |
| 00:54.48 | bob_p | but there's nothing really out there that says it via a quick google search |
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| 00:57.09 | Brigo | bob_p: i think canyonlands cpus are supported for linux kernel, so, no problem in debian. |
| 00:57.38 | bob_p | ahhhh |
| 00:57.48 | bob_p | I'd be interested in contributing to it |
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| 01:06.12 | ScottG | Brigo: You still around? It crashed! |
| 01:06.15 | ScottG | Froze* |
| 01:07.00 | ScottG | Could someone be so kind and scroll up a bit and tell me what time I disconnected? |
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| 01:07.34 | carrett | what up guys? |
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| 01:10.39 | moty66 | ScottG: We can't see it |
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| 01:11.01 | ScottG | moty66: You can't see when I disconnect? Surely someone here has disconnect messages |
| 01:11.28 | moty66 | Conference Mode is enabled for this view; joins, leaves, quits and nickname changes are hidden |
| 01:11.44 | carrett | so, by default (fresh install) my PCI wireless NIC is assigned a different MAC address every time i reboot. it's not a huge deal but i feel like it should not be the case. any clues? |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | can see it .. |
| 01:12.24 | abrotman | carrett: but the first half is always the same? |
| 01:12.25 | ScottG | moty66: Not sure what conference mode is but I'm almost positive that if I don't turn them off in irssi they show up |
| 01:13.23 | carrett | abrotman: no. i can paste some examples (i have a .txt file) if you like |
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| 01:16.21 | carrett | abrotman: http://pastie.org/5455629 |
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| 01:24.56 | abrotman | carrett: looking |
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| 01:25.10 | carrett | abrotman: coo |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | carrett: that's confusing ... |
| 01:25.14 | carrett | thanks! |
| 01:25.18 | carrett | i agree |
| 01:25.26 | carrett | i feel like maybe it's a weird hardware glitch |
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| 01:25.35 | abrotman | carrett: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:26.50 | carrett | the standard testing bizness linux-image-amd64_3.2+46 |
| 01:27.01 | carrett | card uses rt61pci |
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| 01:28.00 | abrotman | the last NIC i knew about doing that was the forcedeth |
| 01:28.05 | carrett | yeah |
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| 01:28.11 | carrett | i read a buncha pages about that one |
| 01:28.26 | carrett | someone had the same issue with rt61pci and replacing ram fixed it |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 01:28.39 | carrett | agreed |
| 01:28.58 | abrotman | i'd maybe ask #wireless .. i've never heard of such a thing where they end up that random |
| 01:29.00 | ratcheer | carrett: Is that a Ralink card? |
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| 01:29.36 | carrett | ratcheer: yeah. well the particular one is made by edimax but the card is an ralink...chipset? |
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| 01:30.28 | ratcheer | I used to have tons of trouble with my RT3062, but things have improved a lot with the newer kernels. |
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| 01:37.38 | rgr | in wheezy gnome, where is the "closing lid" options? I dont see it : only power low option and inactive period settings. |
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| 01:46.53 | Chargen | heya |
| 01:46.59 | Chargen | http://pastebin.com/S736SDjD |
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| 01:47.38 | Chargen | multi-os / multi-cpu aware "virus" breaks trough virtualbox |
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| 01:48.02 | Chargen | not propagating but just wants to kill your OS to hide something. |
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| 01:52.05 | abrotman | Chargen: what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 01:52.39 | Armand | abrotman, sounds like FUD to me |
| 01:53.02 | Armand | Probably just some n00b who borked his installs. |
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| 01:59.56 | Armand | Looked like rather generic trollity to me. |
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| 02:02.24 | srg | I have to modprobe a sound driver every time i reboot to get it working |
| 02:02.38 | srg | where do I have to edit to automate this? |
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| 02:03.09 | ub1693 | forgive my ignorance but, when installing different packages why does it intall different versions of gcc like both 4.6 and 4.7? |
| 02:03.14 | Guest53869 | I have an executable script. Should I be able to run it on the command line just by typing its name? |
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| 02:03.33 | srg | Guest53869: ./script.sh |
| 02:03.38 | srg | or /path/to/script.sh |
| 02:03.45 | srg | or /bin/sh /path/to/script.sh |
| 02:04.01 | dioz | srg: update-rc |
| 02:04.04 | dioz | is what you're looking for |
| 02:04.09 | srg | dioz: thanks |
| 02:04.43 | srg | Guest53869: or you can put it in your $PATH |
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| 02:04.46 | dioz | i'm probably wrong ;] |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | what? |
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| 02:04.55 | abrotman | srg: /etc/modules |
| 02:04.58 | srg | lol |
| 02:05.00 | srg | ok, thanks again |
| 02:05.02 | dioz | see, told you ;] |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | or run modconf if that still exdists |
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| 02:08.57 | Guest53869 | srg, so it is different from Unix shell, where 'sh' is used for files, that are not executable, for example 'sh script', and executable ones can be just called by name? |
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| 02:09.32 | srg | i'd have to test it to see. my history is unix :-P |
| 02:09.40 | srg | you can easily test it |
| 02:11.25 | dioz | chmod +x file |
| 02:11.34 | BackEndCoder | ok so in pagination... and options urls |
| 02:11.43 | BackEndCoder | how can i do rel additions in the html structure |
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| 02:14.37 | Tau | hello. i use iceweasel and i wanna watch a webcam video. it says i need to have quicktime player installed. |
| 02:14.39 | Tau | how can i install it? |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | welcome to 1999 :) |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | Tau: i'd guess something like vlc and the mozilla plugin for vlc |
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| 02:15.37 | srg | lol quicktime |
| 02:15.43 | srg | almost as bad as realplayer |
| 02:17.21 | gnarface | well mozilla-plugin-vlc *might* work but you could also install &run quicktime through the crossover plugin but it costs money and we can't help with it here |
| 02:17.50 | gnarface | wishes more camwhores would switch to theora |
| 02:18.21 | Guest53869 | srg, thanks, but only 'sh script' and '. script' work, and that should be enough |
| 02:18.32 | konbon | Hello fellow Debian users. I made the mistake of installing Debian with KDE4 desktop and now I have no clue how to install xchat. It wont do apt-get install xchat in user or root mode. Is there a tutorial link I can follow, to get some packages installed? |
| 02:18.57 | gnarface | konbon: try apt-get update && apt-get install xchat? |
| 02:19.03 | srg | why wont it do "apt-get install xchat" ? |
| 02:19.06 | srg | error messages? |
| 02:19.09 | konbon | Tried that. |
| 02:19.18 | srg | what happens? |
| 02:19.23 | srg | be more descriptive >:o |
| 02:19.23 | konbon | I get no activity on the terminal |
| 02:19.28 | srg | hrm |
| 02:19.34 | konbon | I hit enter and it just stays as it was |
| 02:19.47 | konbon | like, jumps to the blank line waiting for a command again |
| 02:20.02 | srg | then it might already be installed. run xchat in the terminal |
| 02:20.32 | moty66 | write it without " " |
| 02:20.43 | konbon | yeah, command not found error |
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| 02:21.19 | konbon | ok, this time i said this when i did "apt-get install xchat" = E: Unable to locate package xchat |
| 02:21.25 | konbon | it said* |
| 02:21.32 | srg | sudo? |
| 02:21.38 | konbon | I'm in root |
| 02:21.39 | srg | are you running it as root? |
| 02:21.40 | srg | ah |
| 02:21.42 | konbon | i did su / password |
| 02:22.05 | konbon | Been using Debian in gnome for so long now. It's all i know. |
| 02:22.29 | konbon | and when i do the apt-get update it goes fine and update all it needs to update |
| 02:22.47 | konbon | then i try apt-get upgrade and it says 0 on all packages and other stuff |
| 02:22.59 | konbon | as if to say there's no updates |
| 02:23.01 | srg | i doubt it's kde's fault...a terminal is a terminal. try hitting...what's the shortcut? alt+F2 ? to switch to a new tty |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | konbon: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:23.16 | konbon | kk |
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| 02:27.06 | konbon | abrotman http://pastebin.com/ua5zCB6q |
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| 02:28.30 | abrotman | konbon: at the bottom of the file, add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 02:28.46 | konbon | adding |
| 02:29.26 | kisisten | hi, i have a dual boot system on my asus laptop. When I run windows XP_pro the cpu fan and the systems runs cool. When I boot into wheezy the laptop systems becomes extremely hot and loud. Any thoughts? |
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| 02:29.56 | konbon | It wont allow me to save :( |
| 02:30.03 | konbon | I guess i have to do this in root |
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| 02:30.54 | abrotman | right |
| 02:32.55 | konbon | Going to trash this install and download-install debian with gnome |
| 02:33.05 | konbon | Thanks for your help abrotman |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:33.17 | abrotman | that's a bit silly |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | this is very easy to resolve |
| 02:34.05 | child | konbon I advise you to read it http://debian-handbook.info/get/now/ |
| 02:34.15 | konbon | I honestly don't like the KDE look |
| 02:34.16 | dondelelcaro | kisisten: the output of top in a terminal might be helpful |
| 02:34.32 | konbon | It's ok though. It doesn't take too long on my rig |
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| 02:34.35 | konbon | 16 CPU ::: Intel® Xeon® E5-2687W Processor ::: 4300Mhz ::: 20MB ::: Genuine ::: 5% ::: Intel® « |
| 02:34.43 | konbon | 4x512GB ssd raid |
| 02:34.47 | konbon | (: |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | konbon: so install gnome, then remove kde |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | zero need to reinstall |
| 02:35.31 | konbon | i would love to do that and learn the process of it but wouldn't it be faster to just re-install ? |
| 02:35.50 | konbon | I'm doing all this in VM btw |
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| 02:35.58 | konbon | using Oracle Vboz |
| 02:36.04 | konbon | Vbox* |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | right .. so learn, don't do a windows maneuver .. |
| 02:36.28 | kisisten | dondelelcaro: hmm, ok I need to reboot for that and get back to the channel. Thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:36.55 | konbon | lol |
| 02:37.13 | konbon | ok, I'll read that article and follow the tutorial on how to install gnome and remove kde |
| 02:39.04 | konbon | Thanks for all your help. Have a great day :) |
| 02:39.08 | konbon | part |
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| 02:42.31 | valerie007_ | Is it possible to make a custom made command line prompt that says something like "have a nice day" |
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| 02:45.25 | abrotman | sure |
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| 02:46.48 | srg | My command prompt says "I HATE YOU, HAVE A SHITTY DAY" |
| 02:47.28 | srg | man bashrc or something like that |
| 02:47.58 | dondelelcaro | valerie007_: search google for PS1 for tons of examples |
| 02:48.07 | srg | actually man bash and look for PS1 |
| 02:48.08 | dondelelcaro | well, ignoring all of the playstation results, of course. |
| 02:48.08 | srg | yeah ^ |
| 02:49.25 | valerie007_ | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 02:50.29 | srg | lol |
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| 03:22.41 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
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| 03:45.36 | cusco | hi folks |
| 03:46.13 | dvs | walks up |
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| 03:53.20 | jesusemelendezm | hi Debian! |
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| 03:54.31 | blackshirt | hi jesusemelendezm |
| 03:54.56 | jesusemelendezm | how are you? |
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| 03:55.07 | jesusemelendezm | I am just installing debian in a virtual. |
| 03:55.42 | jesusemelendezm | the host is ubuntu |
| 03:55.56 | jesusemelendezm | building a media server.. |
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| 05:41.39 | yigal | iceasel is failing to load a site but chrome loads it without issue - no proxy on either - any suggestions on diagnosing why this occurring? |
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| 05:41.53 | yigal | iceweasel |
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| 05:43.25 | yigal | Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at heap.sigpipe.net. |
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| 05:45.42 | bubull3 | tcpdump |
| 05:46.22 | LtL | yigal: http://heap.sigpipe.net/ doesn't respond, doesn't answer pings either |
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| 05:47.18 | cardamon | trying to search for all packages related to eclipse and netbeans that are installed. |
| 05:47.31 | cardamon | and remove them. |
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| 05:47.57 | LtL | yigal: same for chromium, that site is down |
| 05:48.52 | yigal | the site isn't down |
| 05:49.02 | yigal | LtL: the site isn't down |
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| 05:49.17 | LtL | yigal: sure seems to be |
| 05:49.18 | cardamon | I see some packages listed as pi and one as pB in aptitude...not sure what that means. |
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| 05:51.56 | LtL | yigal: what? |
| 05:53.09 | LtL | yigal: --- heap.sigpipe.net ping statistics --- |
| 05:53.09 | LtL | 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4032ms |
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| 05:53.50 | LtL | yigal: my browsers cant connect, that makes me a troll? |
| 05:56.35 | LtL | yigal: i was trying to help, go fuck yourself |
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| 06:31.56 | Dan39 | i have a friend trying to NX into debian wheezy xfce4. it works fine for me, but for him none of the text is displayed |
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| 07:18.04 | waynr | howdy folks...i have a file named "server.selections" obtained by runnint 'dpkg --get-selections > server.selections' and i am trying to pipe it into dpkg --set-selections but it seems to have no effect |
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| 07:18.23 | waynr | if anyone could help, i would appreciate it...thanks! |
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| 07:29.55 | esaym153 | anyone know how I would measure how much data an ssh session is using? I don't have root access. |
| 07:30.35 | boudiccas | esaym153: bmon |
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| 07:33.21 | esaym153 | boudiccas: I don't have that on this server. I guess I could compile it though.. |
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| 08:30.25 | tafelpoot | nu udev experts here? |
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| 08:35.27 | streuner | tafelpoot: why do you think you need an expert? |
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| 08:36.24 | frikinz | tafelpoot: I would have actually ADDED SYMLINK+="foo" rather than replace, in case anything still expects /tape/by_path/... Also what "doesnt work", how did you test? |
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| 08:47.45 | deather | hello guys, how can I disable package authentication for apt in apt.conf? |
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| 09:02.31 | savask | Hello. How can I start X and login automatically without installing a display manager? |
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| 09:03.53 | Half | Savask, i think you cab do it with /etc/inittab |
| 09:03.59 | Half | can* |
| 09:04.38 | savask | Half: Okay, I'll try to find the way. |
| 09:04.49 | frikinz | or a line like su - savask -c startx in /etc/rc.local |
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| 09:05.59 | savask | frikinz: But won't it make me a root user? |
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| 09:07.15 | frikinz | savask: "make me a root user"? rc.local is execed by root (as init is with inittab method) so with the prefix su - savask, startx is run as user savask |
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| 09:08.03 | savask | frikinz: Ah. I thought that su will login me as a root user, just as it usually does. |
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| 09:09.11 | frikinz | savask: man su . su [options] [username] |
| 09:09.17 | Half | it's because "su" command equals "su - root" i think |
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| 09:10.35 | savask | Ah, now I understand. |
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| 09:11.36 | Half | I don't know if it's cleaner in inittab or rc.local |
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| 09:17.33 | savask | frikinz: No, that doesn't work. It says that user can't run the X server, or something like that. |
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| 09:22.14 | frikinz | vi /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config , change console to anybody |
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| 09:22.37 | frikinz | man Xwrapper.config . there's a manpage for everything :) |
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| 09:23.49 | xeon123 | Is it possible to turn my computer as an access point for my PSP access the internet? |
| 09:23.56 | Half | There's a manpage for manpages too ! :) |
| 09:24.19 | savask | frikinz: Thanks, let me try it out. |
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| 09:25.38 | savask | frikinz: Thanks, now it works! |
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| 09:27.13 | frikinz | xeon123: if your wlan driver supports AP yes |
| 09:27.42 | xeon123 | frikinz: How can I know that? |
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| 09:31.01 | niels2 | by trying it |
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| 09:32.12 | Spack|w | on a hardware raid controller where is stored to mbr? |
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| 09:41.13 | blz37 | from installation point of view, is xps13 with ubuntu even necessary ? I was thinking of buying an ultra book and installing debian. What advantage does xps13 give except for maybe "feature complete" drivers ? |
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| 09:42.04 | somiaj | blz37: is the xps13 one of the dell linux laptops? |
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| 09:42.58 | somiaj | blz37: If you have another laptop you are intersted in, get a hardware list and check the debian wiki/linux kernel for support for the drivers. That will be the major issue |
| 09:44.05 | blz37 | somiaj, ok. thnx |
| 09:44.47 | blz37 | I don't know whether this question will make sense. Ubuntu in general has more up to date drivers than debian ? |
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| 09:45.23 | somiaj | blz37: drivers are mostly dependent on the linux kernel. You can get the 3.2 linux kernel in debian (via backports on stable) so that is where your support is |
| 09:45.52 | frikinz | or even the 3.5 |
| 09:45.59 | blz37 | ok. |
| 09:46.01 | somiaj | in some cases ubuntu will be slighlty more automatic about popular drivers. But for the most cases if it is supported in ubuntu y ou can get it to work in debian (if it needs a newer than 3.2 kernel you may have a bit of work) |
| 09:46.41 | somiaj | frikinz: well you can install the 3.5 kernel, but debian doesn't provide newer than 3.2 |
| 09:47.08 | frikinz | hmm as I don't install anything but debian package, I guess I got it from experimental |
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| 09:47.28 | arakno | there must be something i'am missing i bridged eth0 on br0. Then i bridged eth1 to br1. first is lan, second is wan. I attached the only physical eth0 (lan), still i'am getting wan up and running |
| 09:47.44 | blz37 | somiaj, I used to install latest kernel all the time while I was in school. Haven't done that in a while. |
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| 09:48.06 | frikinz | oh there's 3.6 |
| 09:48.08 | Mohsen_Hassani | Sorry, I got disconnected; I wanted to know if you could introduce me a terminal-based dictionary which accepts Babylon dictionaries!? |
| 09:48.13 | somiaj | frikinz: I don't even see it in experimental. where are you getting these kernels? |
| 09:48.40 | somiaj | frikinz: oh nice, yea 3.6 is in experiemental, but I wouldn't worry about that when new to debian. |
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| 09:49.33 | somiaj | (espically if you chose to run stable) |
| 09:49.37 | frikinz | somiaj: yes that's in extreme case, might bring a lot of side effects. I'm extreme though. For my laptop, not for production |
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| 09:50.12 | somiaj | haha, yea I would use it if I had hardware taht required it, but I haven't been bleeding edge in hardware for a long time |
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| 09:52.31 | frikinz | Yeah, I don't really require it. Although I often try new kernel features in my spare time |
| 09:52.38 | joobie | hey guys.. im running a windows OS virtualized on linux, which uses an iscsi block device for the windows box's disk. Under average load i see slower performance of the windows box - i'm guessing this is because the iscsi is slowing or hitting threashold issues |
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| 09:53.12 | joobie | any tips? ive setup 2 x gigabit in a bonded mode 0 to the iscsi san |
| 09:53.59 | dxtr | So... What would happen if my CPU can accelerate AES-128 but I'm using AES-256? Will the kernel/driver to some magic with that or just say "DERP!" and do it in software? |
| 09:54.05 | peterrooney | Mohsen_Hassani: dictd follows a fairly standard dictionary file format. |
| 09:54.31 | Walex | dxrt: "DERP!" |
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| 09:54.52 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 09:55.08 | dxtr | Walex: Right |
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| 09:55.24 | Walex | dxtr: does your CPU have 256 bit wide registers? :-) |
| 09:55.34 | dxtr | Walex: Always |
| 09:55.56 | dxtr | I consider everything under 256 bits obsolete |
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| 09:56.12 | spiekey | i am looking for libvxssl.so in order to get my symantec backup client running. And YES i already searched on packages.debian.org for this file/package. |
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| 09:56.29 | spiekey | has anyone another idea where this files comes from? |
| 09:57.51 | dxtr | Walex: So how does that work? Are the drivers looking at the key and comparing it to some max value it got from the CPU? Or is it blindly sending the data to the accelerator and sees what happens? |
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| 10:00.54 | niels2 | dxtr, what CPU is it? via with padlock engine? i think that one can accelerate AES-256 fine |
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| 10:01.23 | Walex | niels2: there is accelerate and accelerate... |
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| 10:03.37 | Walex | joobie: our psychic advisors are all busy on other astral planes at the moment. they will call you as soon as possible. |
| 10:03.49 | peterrooney | ,file libvxssl.so |
| 10:03.55 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:04.56 | spiekey | peterrooney i cant even find a project for this to compile it myself :-/ |
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| 10:08.05 | joobie | Walex, are you smoking crack? |
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| 10:09.28 | Guest63918 | Hello, I've installen a PureFTP server what picks the users from the mysql database, but we have blocked all the ports of the server with iptables for secure reasons. But if i open the port 21 for ftp, it shows the login windw, bot if i login, it will keep loading without showing the ftp files. Can someonehelp me with this problem? Maybe do have to open more ports for this |
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| 10:10.14 | frikinz | Guest63918: ftp needs 2 connections: a control one which you have opened and a data one. Welcome in the awfull world of ftp |
| 10:10.31 | frikinz | login is control. ls is control. output of ls is data |
| 10:10.33 | somiaj | Guest63918: could you be connecting to the mysql server on the ip of the server (not localhost) thus that is blocked? |
| 10:11.20 | frikinz | There might be a ftp helper (will open ports on demand). Long time I didn't do this |
| 10:11.44 | Guest63918 | uhm |
| 10:12.12 | frikinz | http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html |
| 10:12.16 | somiaj | oh I didn't realize ftp needed two ports...:/ |
| 10:12.17 | Guest63918 | the connection between the servers (mysqlserver ->ftp server) are open |
| 10:12.31 | somiaj | ahh ftp-data is 20, and ftp is 21 |
| 10:12.51 | Guest63918 | that doesnt work |
| 10:12.54 | frikinz | The cleanest is an ftp helper |
| 10:13.06 | Guest63918 | there are a few more i guess, loke 115 |
| 10:13.09 | Guest63918 | liike |
| 10:13.19 | Guest63918 | and 2/3 more i guess |
| 10:13.22 | frikinz | The link explains it all. |
| 10:13.27 | Guest63918 | ok |
| 10:13.31 | Guest63918 | i check it =) |
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| 10:14.09 | Guest63918 | ty |
| 10:14.22 | frikinz | /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 10:16.09 | frikinz | somiaj: yes, its a bit of an annoying protocol because of this. Ftp initially allows FXP (connect to a server, get result on another one) scp is much better. There was a time where people would open ANYthing coming from port 20, opening a nice hole in their firewall |
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| 10:17.47 | arvind_khadri | Hi, whenever I run sudo pbuilder create, I get the error of "Failed getting release file http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/Release". How d I rectify this? I am running squeeze |
| 10:19.45 | somiaj | Guest63918: 115 is sftp, so are you suing ssl on your ftp? |
| 10:20.09 | frikinz | arvind_khadri: and do you have errors when doing apt-get update? |
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| 10:20.33 | arvind_khadri | frikinz, no |
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| 10:21.02 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: security.debian.org does not provide security updates for sid. Are you trying to build a newer version of a package? You need to get it from your local mirror |
| 10:21.31 | somiaj | so reconfigure pbuilder to use the correct sources |
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| 10:23.58 | sussudio | why would Sid even have or need security updates? |
| 10:24.21 | babilen | sussudio: It does not nor would it need it |
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| 10:24.31 | EyesIsMine | ahahaha sid |
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| 10:25.04 | arvind_khadri | somiaj, I see. I am packaging a new package. So how do I change pbuilder |
| 10:26.14 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: I am not familar with pbuilder. I just know your error is because security.debian.org does not have sid packages at all |
| 10:26.18 | somiaj | not sure why it is poitning at it |
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| 10:26.33 | somiaj | what package are you trying to build? and any reason you want a chroot with pbuilder to build it and not just build on your system? |
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| 10:28.31 | arvind_khadri | somiaj, oh ok, I will file a bug against it at bts. Where should I point to? I am trying to build ruby-permutation, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694706 |
| 10:28.33 | tafelpoot | frikinz: hi there, sorry for the delay |
| 10:28.41 | arvind_khadri | I am not using any chroot. |
| 10:29.02 | tafelpoot | so, concerning the dev rules... I am using SYMLINK+= ... I don't get what you mean |
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| 10:29.42 | tafelpoot | frikinz: I tested by restarting udev and by rebooting the machine |
| 10:29.46 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: what do you think pbuilder does? |
| 10:30.10 | tafelpoot | frikinz: do you know how I can debug it somewhat better? |
| 10:30.18 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: "pbuilder create" uses debootstrap to create a chroot image. |
| 10:30.22 | Sakara | I am attempting to install debian and am getting a message telling me "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" |
| 10:30.31 | Sakara | can anyone suggest what I migth do to resolve this |
| 10:30.36 | frikinz | tafelpoot: only on a conservative way, rather that replacing SYMLINK+=meh I would have added a new SYMLINK after the first one. Just as safety |
| 10:30.36 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: so yes youa re trying to create a chroot and for somereason you are pointing at the wwrong mirror (most likely a configure not bug issue) |
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| 10:30.54 | Sakara | I am using 6.0.6 netinstall amd64 iso on a machine with a amd64 cpu I can't work out why its not working |
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| 10:31.33 | arvind_khadri | somiaj, I see. What do I point it to? |
| 10:31.34 | frikinz | tafelpoot: maybe udevadm control --log-priority=debug |
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| 10:31.40 | frikinz | tafelpoot: and check dmesg |
| 10:31.56 | kerozene | are there any versions of debian that ship with gawk? |
| 10:32.07 | frikinz | tafelpoot: udevadm trigger will make udev parse again your rules |
| 10:32.22 | tafelpoot | frikinz: okay, what I did was take the first file (which was in /lib/udev/rulse.d) and copied it to /etc/udev/rules.d and I gave it a higher number |
| 10:32.30 | AimHere | kerozene, gawk is just an apt-get away for a sid user |
| 10:32.54 | AimHere | I'd expect that to be the case for the stable and testing versions too |
| 10:33.19 | kerozene | AimHere: but mawk is the default for all versions? |
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| 10:33.35 | tafelpoot | frikinz: cool, the trigger did something right! |
| 10:33.36 | frikinz | tafelpoot: there are other options for udevadm like show the rules being parsed. can't remember right now. could be that yours is not executed |
| 10:33.45 | AimHere | mawk is what's installed by default, I believe |
| 10:33.46 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: are you just trying to do this, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 10:34.03 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: you poin tit to your local mirror as I said eariler |
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| 10:34.15 | tafelpoot | frikinz: so my file is being executed, but not all rules match |
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| 10:34.34 | lelu | Hey |
| 10:34.58 | frikinz | unplug device, udevadm control --log-priority=debug; plug; udevadm control --log-priority=err; check dmesg |
| 10:35.04 | frikinz | tafelpoot: ^ |
| 10:35.21 | frikinz | good luck with reading all the crap |
| 10:35.56 | tafelpoot | frikinz: thanks! I'll keep that in mind :D |
| 10:36.02 | lelu | I have a problem with apache, if I execute a php script in the command line it connects to the remote MySQL server fine. However if I load that same script via the browser it gives a MySQL connection error. Any ideas? |
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| 10:36.35 | lelu | I have managed to debug down to it being something to do with apache, as it works when loaded in the command line |
| 10:37.42 | babilen | Sakara: When do you get this error message? Are you doing an expert or a "normal" installation? Did you configure a mirror during the installation? Could you check on the other consoles (ALT-F4 / ALT-F3 / ALT-F2) if you get sensible error messages? |
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| 10:38.05 | babilen | Sakara: Can you continue the installation? |
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| 10:40.35 | babilen | Sakara: Which image did you use exactly btw? |
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| 10:44.31 | dudeladu | what do i have to do, in order to upgrade from squeeze to sid? |
| 10:44.41 | dudeladu | just adding sid to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 10:44.52 | dudeladu | after that the upgrade takes much time... |
| 10:44.59 | dudeladu | could anybody help me? |
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| 10:45.16 | somiaj | dudeladu: most suggest you upgrade to wheezy first, /msg squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:45.34 | Sakara | babilen, I used the debian-6.0.6-netinstall-amd64.iso |
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| 10:46.27 | Sakara | babilen, I made a bootable usb using unetbootin on windows 7 I booted up the installer in graphical mode, started entering the details. the message appeared during the install of the base system |
| 10:46.33 | dudeladu | somiaj, thx |
| 10:46.40 | babilen | dudeladu: I would then continue by replicating the wheezy line(s) and adding those for sid. It should be fairly straightforward to upgrade to sid from wheeze. Make sure that you have apt-{listbugs,listchanges} installed and that you've read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 10:46.51 | Sakara | I am now running with an iso of debian 6.0.4 netinstall and it appears to now be working |
| 10:47.23 | Sakara | the CD is working, it appears it was something to do with installing from a bootable USB |
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| 10:47.38 | babilen | Sakara: Ok, unetbootin is known to produce faulty/broken installation USBs and I am convinced that it is the reason for this problem. (Most likely a problem mounting the "CD-ROM", but check on ALT-F4) |
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| 10:47.56 | babilen | Sakara: On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 10:48.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sakara about usb install |
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| 10:48.32 | Sakara | babilen, Its a Dell laptop 4GB ram Intel T7300 |
| 10:48.38 | babilen | Sakara: ^^^ in case you want to use a USB install in the future. Just don't use unetbootin ... |
| 10:49.33 | Sakara | babilen, I've run into this once about 6 months ago too. I think I solved it by burning a CD that time. Thanks for letting my know unetbootin sucks. |
| 10:49.37 | babilen | Sakara: I guess that the hardware in that one is supported by the kernel in squeeze and you should be fine. Let us know if something is not working though ;) |
| 10:50.29 | babilen | Sakara: It is definitely unetbootin -- If you are using windows you can either use the image creator linked in the factoid our bot (dpkg) just sent you in a private message or use dd in cygwin (not sure if that works though) |
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| 10:51.34 | babilen | Sakara: If you are using a *nix system creating a bootable usb installer is as easy as running "cat debian-6.0.6-netinstall-amd64.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (where /dev/sdX is the block device for your USB stick and you should see it when you run "dmesg|tail -n42" after plugging it in) |
| 10:51.39 | Sakara | babilen, I am sooo surpised. I was googling for ages and no one mentioned it |
| 10:51.50 | babilen | Sakara: That is... /dev/sdX might be something like /dev/sdb or so |
| 10:52.33 | Sakara | babilen, I got a debian box on my desk I will do that next time instead of using unetbootin |
| 10:52.51 | babilen | Sakara: Unfortunately that is often the case. It takes some experience to be able to sift through all the pointless "help"/"tutorials"/discussions on the internet :) |
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| 10:53.52 | Sakara | There were a heap in forums for virtual machine hypervisors. I figured they were all running into a no VT issue so the VM could only be 32-bit. There was nothing that said unetbootin USBs fail. |
| 10:54.31 | babilen | Sakara: Wonderful, I hope that you enjoy the installation this time around. I would, however, like to mention that you *might* need firmare and that you can either: 1. Supply it during the installation on a USB stick (/msg dpkg installer firmware) (not an option if you install from a USB stick) or 2. Just use an installer image *with* firmware which you can download from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 10:55.18 | Sakara | babilen, that is almost certainly going to happen I have a broadcom wlan card |
| 10:56.13 | babilen | Sakara: Do you know which one? |
| 10:56.37 | Sakara | BCM4311 |
| 10:56.45 | babilen | dpkg: bcm4311 |
| 10:56.45 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:58.05 | babilen | Sakara: Ok, that one is painful. We made it quite easy to obtain the firmware and IIRC all you need to do is to install the firmware-b43-installer package from <non-free> (you can ask our bot about all the factoids in <…>, e.g. "/msg dpkg non-free") |
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| 10:59.10 | babilen | Sakara: That firmware is not on the images with firmware nor *in* any package. The firmware-b43-installer obtains it by downloading the driver for MS Windows and uses a tool to extract it from that ... quite pesky, but it works :) |
| 10:59.34 | somiaj | I thought you needed an internet connenction to get firware-b43-installer to work. Is there a way to do it if you didn't have an alternative network connenction. |
| 10:59.43 | babilen | Sakara: But we can work on that once you are done with the installation |
| 10:59.47 | babilen | somiaj: Yes, you do |
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| 11:00.31 | somiaj | but when I used firmware-b43-installer it worked great (I just had to use the wired connenction to get it) |
| 11:00.59 | babilen | somiaj: I am not aware of a way to obtain the firmware if you *don't* have a working network connection. I guess that it would be able to place the windows driver in a suitable location and just use b43-fwcutter directly (the manual way), but you still have to download the driver *somehow* (e.g. on another box) |
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| 11:02.30 | Sakara | babilen, going to be a while net install and net is not super fast atm |
| 11:03.08 | somiaj | Sakara: the netinstall image does not need the internet to install a base working system. so if you have the image downloaded you are fine |
| 11:03.41 | babilen | somiaj: All firmware-b43-installer does is automating the steps of 1. Downloading the MS Windows driver 2. Extracting the firmware with b43-fwcutter 3. Copying the firmware into place. You can, naturally, do all that manually and the procedure is explained in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 11:04.11 | somiaj | babilen: ahh thanks, yea I forgot about b43-fwcutter |
| 11:04.29 | babilen | Sakara: My understanding so far was that you are connected to the internet by other means (e.g. ethernet, pideons, ...) - Is that correct? |
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| 11:04.42 | Sakara | somiaj, its a laptop for a friend who has never used a linux as a primary os so he still needs the gui |
| 11:04.48 | Sakara | babilen, yup I sure am |
| 11:04.53 | babilen | somiaj: Thought I clarify as that knowledge might come in handy :) |
| 11:04.54 | Sakara | babilen, ethernet cable |
| 11:05.29 | babilen | was hoping for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers |
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| 11:13.46 | tafelpoot | frikinz: I found the problem... A typo :P |
| 11:13.53 | tafelpoot | frikinz: thanks for the help! |
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| 11:33.13 | loostro | hello, i need help with http://serverfault.com/questions/453811/how-to-configure-php-cli-on-linux-debian-to-run-as-www-data |
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| 11:34.57 | bolt | loostro: just as your question. what are you stuck on? what did you try? what did you expect? what did you get instead? etc. |
| 11:35.47 | loostro | bold: i could not find info how to run a command as diffrent user OR configure linux so it always does run PHP command with www-data |
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| 11:41.45 | bolt | loostro: if you're on ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:43.00 | loostro | bolt: ty, i got the answer on ##linux :) su www-data lets me switch to www-data user, run my commands, and then su back to root user |
| 11:43.09 | bolt | loostro: you can make executables always run as a certain user/group by using the suid and guid bits on the executable. however, setting that on php is a very bad idea |
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| 11:43.35 | zetheroo | where is the default location that KVM VM images are stored? |
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| 11:43.55 | mwargh | zetheroo: there you want |
| 11:43.58 | mwargh | *where |
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| 11:44.02 | bolt | /var/lib/libvirt, i guess |
| 11:44.10 | mwargh | if he uses libvirt |
| 11:44.14 | bolt | true |
| 11:44.20 | mwargh | he may use just plain kvm |
| 11:44.29 | bolt | then i don't think he'd ask |
| 11:44.30 | mwargh | vm is set up with less than 5 commands |
| 11:44.32 | mwargh | hmm |
| 11:44.41 | zetheroo | mwargh: thanks that was it ;) |
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| 11:44.57 | mwargh | it was bolt, not me |
| 11:45.19 | bolt | puts the crystal ball back in its pouch |
| 11:45.25 | mwargh | lol :) |
| 11:45.34 | zetheroo | oh shucks ... thanks bolt ! |
| 11:45.42 | bolt | heh. np :) |
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| 11:59.29 | dxtr | Are there any USB or PCI ctyptographic accelerators that's compatible with Linux and/or *BSD? |
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| 12:01.03 | dxtr | Err |
| 12:01.04 | dxtr | WRong Channel |
| 12:01.06 | babilen | dxtr: Could you name one? |
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| 12:01.35 | dxtr | babilen: No I cannot. That's why I asked, although in the wrong channel :P |
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| 12:02.29 | babilen | dxtr: Fair enough. I just thought that it is easier to compile a list of cryptographic accelerators regardless of the Linux support and check those for support .. But some people might know this from the top of their head |
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| 12:03.58 | dxtr | babilen: In my research I have only found one. But I can't find a reseller for it and I am not quite sure of its Linux support |
| 12:04.15 | dxtr | Or, well, several technically |
| 12:04.17 | dxtr | http://www.hifn.com/network-security/data-security-and-compression |
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| 12:09.21 | Walex | dxtr: USB crypto accelerators is a crazy idea. PCI only slightly less crazy. Perhaps x4-x8 PCIe might be useful |
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| 12:09.55 | Walex | dxtr: where "crazy" here means "so slow that why bother?" |
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| 12:10.59 | dxtr | Walex: So how slow is USB2? |
| 12:11.14 | Walex | in an ideal world we would all be using HyperChannel... There used to be motherboards with HyperChannel slots. |
| 12:11.36 | Walex | dxtr: around 30-35MB/s on a good day with tailwind. |
| 12:11.54 | dxtr | That's faster than my CPU can do it so I'll take it :P |
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| 12:13.20 | dxtr | Also, I do have a PCI-E x16 slot |
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| 12:13.35 | dxtr | Shouldn't one be able to get some speeds from that? |
| 12:13.45 | Walex | dxtr: then perhaps there are GPU code accelerators... |
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| 12:14.50 | Walex | dxtr: to check what CPUs can do try 'openssl speed', for example 'openssl speed aes-128-cbc' here I get 250MB/s for > 256B blocks |
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| 12:15.41 | dxtr | I don't have a GPU |
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| 12:17.24 | Walex | dxtr: only 77MB/s on a laptop though. |
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| 12:18.38 | dxtr | Doing aes-128 cbc for 3s on 256 size blocks: 764712 aes-128 cbc's in 2.90s |
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| 12:20.57 | bool | what woild be the correct procedure to install the latest kernel from backports? |
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| 12:21.47 | Walex | bool: add backports line to 'sources.list', install latest kernel. |
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| 12:23.27 | Walex | bool: http://wiki.debian.org/Backports just in case... |
| 12:24.17 | bool | so its just one package? linux-kernel ? i dont need any extra modules package or header package or something? |
| 12:24.45 | Walex | bool: it is packages with exactly the same names as the older 'stable' kernels |
| 12:25.16 | bool | k. thanks |
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| 12:26.10 | Walex | bool: name structure I meant. I have installed 'linux-{image,headers,support}-3.2.0-0.bpo.4*' |
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| 12:29.43 | bool | so does the backports install from unstable or testing or how does it work? |
| 12:29.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell bool -about bdo kernel |
| 12:30.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell bool -about backports |
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| 12:31.00 | bool | thanks |
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| 12:42.30 | zetheroo | I am trying to unmount a USB drive but all I am getting is: umount: /mnt/usb_hdd: device is busy. |
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| 12:42.52 | zetheroo | the last thing I did on the drive was delete some files and directories |
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| 12:43.02 | zetheroo | with 'rm -r' |
| 12:43.30 | zetheroo | is it possible that I need to remove the deleted files from the 'Trash' before I can unmount the drive? |
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| 12:44.14 | bool | it has been some while since i last upgraded my system and now I get all these "dpkg: error processing <package> (--configure). How should i fix this? I am running wheezey |
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| 12:45.21 | Spiders | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.35 | Sm0ke0ut | No, thank you |
| 12:45.59 | zetheroo | where is root trash located? |
| 12:46.23 | Spiders | free cc visa master check cc /server irc.blackirc.org 6667 |
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| 12:46.24 | Sm0ke0ut | like a trashcan? /dev/null probably |
| 12:46.28 | Sm0ke0ut | which is nowhere |
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| 12:47.24 | zetheroo | -bash: cd: /dev/null: Not a directory |
| 12:47.53 | Sm0ke0ut | it's not. Debian doesnt have such thing as a trashcan. Everything you remove is "permanently" removed |
| 12:48.00 | Sm0ke0ut | linux in general doesn't :) |
| 12:48.41 | zetheroo | hmm ... so why then is the USB hdd still busy? |
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| 12:51.06 | sussudio | zetheroo: maybe you're on it. cd to something else. |
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| 12:51.21 | sussudio | zetheroo: or run lsof | grep devicename |
| 12:51.22 | zetheroo | nope, I am not in it ... |
| 12:51.34 | zetheroo | I did lsof |grep /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:51.48 | zetheroo | this is the output: |
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| 12:51.50 | zetheroo | mount.ntf 17319 root 3u BLK 8,17 0x2543150000 11303 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 12:52.21 | sussudio | shrugs |
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| 12:55.34 | zetheroo | LOL, for some reason virt-manager was hanging onto the USB HDD |
| 12:55.35 | zetheroo | :P |
| 12:55.41 | sussudio | zetheroo: have you tried sync |
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| 12:56.14 | zetheroo | all good now with virt-manager closed |
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| 12:56.51 | sussudio | ok. |
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| 13:06.27 | woshty | how to remove all ck sessions? |
| 13:06.41 | jargon | ck? |
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| 13:07.38 | woshty | jargon: consolekit |
| 13:08.09 | jargon | might be the first time i've ever heard of it |
| 13:08.11 | joltcan | thats an apparent abbreviation if I ever saw one |
| 13:08.12 | jargon | sorry |
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| 13:12.20 | woshty | i currently trying to get wdm to work with ck in a proper way so i can mount and shutdown etc but ck-list-sessions lists some old sessions and i do not get local or active to be true .. and lightdm is no option |
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| 13:15.15 | woshty | there really should be a ban of adopting stuff that is not documented properly |
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| 13:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | woshty: Anything in linux that is fully doccumented is obsolete. |
| 13:16.18 | abrotman | aren't you the one that adopted it? |
| 13:16.24 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: really? |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | that's such a silly statement |
| 13:16.51 | woshty | abrotman: by installing wheezy maybe :/ |
| 13:17.01 | abrotman | woshty: consolekit has been around a bit longer |
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| 13:19.07 | woshty | abrotman: i have ignored not being able to use mounts etc so far. |
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| 13:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Ask anyone who's worked in development. Documentation is necessarily the last thing that's done. |
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| 13:27.24 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: if you say so .. clearly you're an expert in something, maybe not documenting stuff is it |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | maybe you just work with poor developers |
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| 13:44.00 | slav3_kitten | anyone have any idea why "sort -z -f" would be running all by itself? |
| 13:44.27 | movl | a cronjob |
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| 13:44.56 | slav3_kitten | obviously a cron job, but what would sort be doing |
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| 13:45.29 | niels2 | look at what its parent process is |
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| 13:46.54 | bool | is there a place where i can see which patches are applied to the vanilla kernel? |
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| 13:47.49 | slav3_kitten | niels2 it terminated before i got a chance to see it |
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| 13:52.24 | lroe | wow, wheezy on the desktop is *very* different from squeeze on the desktop |
| 13:52.41 | allorder | how |
| 13:52.50 | Sm0ke0ut | like totally :) |
| 13:53.06 | Sm0ke0ut | I personally don't like the new gnome |
| 13:53.10 | lroe | at the moment gnome 3 is completely different |
| 13:53.13 | lroe | and I am a bit lost |
| 13:53.26 | lroe | are all the toolbar widgets gone? |
| 13:53.29 | Sm0ke0ut | but you can set it back to "classic" mode if I'm correct |
| 13:53.38 | lroe | Sm0ke0ut, I don't think you can anymore |
| 13:54.07 | Sm0ke0ut | you can, just before you login you can select the window manager you want to use |
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| 14:20.53 | safridzal | I just install debian testing kde on asus k45d (amd a8 with dual graph). the problem is i cant get the battry indicator works. It always says "fully charged" even if its unplug |
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| 14:21.38 | safridzal | and if I click the battery indicator, it says 0% (but still, charged) |
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| 14:22.13 | Morrolan | Had similar issues with a notebook once, taking out the battery and putting it back in used to fix it, safridzal. |
| 14:22.26 | safridzal | any suggestion? i've tried ubuntu and fedora, none works. (well, my friend told me that win7 64 bit works, but i dont have it) |
| 14:22.29 | Morrolan | (Preferrably while it's plugged in to a power source, so it won't run out of power ;D) |
| 14:22.53 | xDesu | acpi? |
| 14:23.10 | xDesu | (I mean run acpi in a terminal) |
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| 14:23.22 | allorder | safridzal: listen to your friend |
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| 14:23.48 | safridzal | Morrolan: is that safe?? taking out that battry when its on use?? |
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| 14:24.23 | xDesu | He means while it's connected to the charger so you don't turn the computer off. |
| 14:24.37 | jhutchins_wk | safridzal: That's a hardware issue. The BIOS isn't reporting the battery status in the standard way. Their Windows software accomodates that, but standard Linux has no way to know they broke it. |
| 14:24.39 | Morrolan | safridzal: Well, with the notebooks I've owned so far, they battery didn't need to be in place in order for the circuit to be closed. But maybe there's some odd models where that won't work. |
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| 14:25.09 | Siebjee | Hi guys, i am having some issues with changing the default ulimit settings on Squeeze. Normally you add * - nofile 65535 to /ect/security/limits.conf and when you ssh to the server your openfiles (ulimit -n) will be at 65535. But for some reason i have to manually change it with ulimit -n 65535 in order to get the limit settings i want on my server. Is there a other way to achive this ? |
| 14:25.20 | safridzal | wait, trying it |
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| 14:30.46 | metasansana | hello, I'm looking for a clear tutorial on packaging .deb files |
| 14:30.59 | Walex | metasansana: really funny.... :-) |
| 14:31.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell metasansana -about nmg |
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| 14:31.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell metasansana about mentors |
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| 14:32.36 | babilen | metasansana: You might also want to look into http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers and the debhelper manpages ("man dh" + "man dh_whatever") |
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| 14:32.52 | metasansana | wow |
| 14:33.10 | metasansana | thanks babilen |
| 14:33.17 | babilen | np |
| 14:33.19 | Gabtendo | Should I install mlocate on my desktop/workstation? :s |
| 14:33.23 | Walex | metasansana: a web search would return *dozens* of pages... |
| 14:33.29 | Walex | Gabtendo: yes, plus 'recoll' |
| 14:33.39 | Gabtendo | recoll? |
| 14:33.49 | Walex | Gabtendo: content search engine |
| 14:33.57 | babilen | metasansana: And plenty of them will be horrible and can't be endorsed by us |
| 14:34.14 | safridzal | quit Ping reply from hobana.freenode.net: 71.55 second(s) |
| 14:34.15 | ddssc | getting error codes when installing supervisor on debian... messed up insgalling it with easy_install and now it doesnt work. please take a look http://pastebin.com/Da60kJ9S |
| 14:34.19 | Walex | Gabtendo: something like Beagle and Strigi, but rather nicer |
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| 14:34.35 | ddssc | hi |
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| 14:35.11 | ddssc | !rules |
| 14:35.11 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 14:35.21 | babilen | Gabtendo: fwiw, mlocate is part of the "standard" set of packages that are installed on every Debian system unless the admin has specific reasons not to do so. (/msg dpkg standard) |
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| 14:35.58 | Gabtendo | o |
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| 14:36.14 | ddssc | hi |
| 14:36.28 | babilen | ddssc: Do you need help with anything in particular? |
| 14:37.12 | ddssc | got some error messages when installing supervisor, first I installed with easy_install as per docu but it didnt work, then i removed it and installed via apt-get install supervisor. here's the errors http://pastebin.com/Da60kJ9S |
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| 14:37.52 | babilen | ddssc: Did you read the error message? |
| 14:38.08 | ddssc | yes, I dont know what to do hence why Im asking here |
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| 14:42.31 | jhutchins_wk | ddssc: How about figuring out what might be using a web port? |
| 14:42.42 | babilen | ddssc: Well, you have to find the service that is listening on the port that supervisord wants to use. Unfortunately supervisord (or the error message) doesn't tell us which one that is. It might help to debug this to see the output of "lsof -i" or "netstat --listen" (both run as root) on http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:43.42 | babilen | ddssc: Did you start supervisord that you installed with easy_install? (And btw, easy_install is outdated and you really should use pip these days. Even better: Use virtualenv to manage virtual environments that are independent from your system's Python) |
| 14:43.52 | ddssc | babilen, turns out it was supervisord listening to that port already... the process obv wasn't killed. so I killed it and did apt-get install supervisor again. this is the result, unspecified ERROR. http://pastebin.com/XyiGW3k6 |
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| 14:44.18 | jhutchins_wk | Seems strange that supervisord would want to run http servers though. |
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| 14:44.52 | ddssc | I've no idea, im new to this whole debian thing, so far everything that I installed with non apt installer turned out to be a bloody mess.. |
| 14:45.15 | babilen | is not surprised |
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| 14:45.52 | ddssc | so far for following the docus eh...http://supervisord.org/installing.html#installing-to-a-system-with-internet-access |
| 14:46.49 | babilen | ddssc: How exactly did you install supervisor with easy_install? Where was it installed? How did you remove it? What does "service supervisord start" give you? Could you edit /etc/init.d/supervisor and add "set -x" after "set -e" in there and run "service supervisor start" again? |
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| 14:48.06 | babilen | ddssc: I strongly recommend to first: 1. Use the Debian package (if available) or 2. Use pip inside a virtualenv if you want to install anything from the cheeseshop. (ask in #python too to verify this) |
| 14:48.17 | ddssc | babilen: easy_install supervisor. no idea. easy_install -m supervisor. after that i did apt-get install supervisor so i did apt-get remove --purge easy_install. now a bunch of pythoon dependencies are missing apprenty. next step do the easy_install again, see if I can get it working? |
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| 14:49.04 | ddssc | babilen, where can I find the debian package? |
| 14:49.14 | LoO | Join New Server IRC.BlackIRC.Org /server irc.blackirc.org Join New Server IRC.BlackIRC.Org /server irc.blackirc.org |
| 14:50.03 | jhutchins_wk | ddssc: I don't think you should mix two software management systems. |
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| 14:50.20 | babilen | ddssc: I assume that you messed up Debian's default Python by overwriting/removing random Python modules by using easy_install ... You should *never* manually install *anything* into /usr or /lib or ... but always into /usr/local. For easy_install that would be "easy_install --prefix=/usr/local", but you shouldn't necessarily do that as well. |
| 14:50.44 | grobda24 | Hello. I need to install a specific version of Debian for some scientific software - ISIS (USGS). |
| 14:50.58 | babilen | ddssc: Just use pip (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip) whenever there is no Debian package. |
| 14:51.15 | ddssc | babilen, where can I find the debian package? (if exist) |
| 14:51.21 | grobda24 | Can the Debian 6.0 64bit installer cope with installing next to an existing Debian Wheezy installation ? |
| 14:51.21 | babilen | ddssc: The question is now: "How do we clean up the mess you've created" |
| 14:51.35 | ddssc | babilen, in a nutshell |
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| 14:51.51 | ihateyouall | babilen, where do you learn all that thinks? i mean you are like a infinite source of knowledge... |
| 14:51.53 | ddssc | I need supervisor obviously for my server process workers.. so I can't just let it be :/ |
| 14:52.17 | babilen | ddssc: I don't quite follow. You already installed the supervisor Debian package. Unfortunately it doesn't work and I assume that it is because you used easy_install to bork your system |
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| 14:52.37 | ddssc | babilen, I was stupid. following the official documents... |
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| 14:52.54 | babilen | ihateyouall: Well, I develop in Python quite a lot and have been using Debian for ~12 years .... :) |
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| 14:53.25 | babilen | ddssc: Unfortunately their documentation is, well, suboptimal to put it mildly. |
| 14:53.42 | babilen | ihateyouall: Well, s/Debian/Linux |
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| 14:54.20 | babilen | grobda24: It does -- You have to decice which Debian should manage the boot loader though. Why would you want to do that though? |
| 14:54.24 | ddssc | babilen, yeppp. so basically now I should use the pip thing to rebuild py libs and then use apt install , that what you suggesting? |
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| 14:55.42 | babilen | ddssc: No, that is not what I am suggesting. I merely mentioned pip so that you *never* use easy_install again in the future (and in particular *never* install anything not to /usr/local) -- I would start with the debugging instructions I mentioned earlier. If you can paste any logs of your easy_install installation and deinstallation to http://paste.debian.net that would help too. Do you have backups? |
| 14:56.38 | babilen | ddssc: Just use Debian packages first in the future ... And check twice that you do the right thing before you use any other software installation method (e.g. pip, easy_install, gem, cpan, ..) |
| 14:56.55 | ddssc | babilen, point taken |
| 14:57.48 | ddssc | babilen, no backups :( |
| 14:58.28 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, that is unfortunate. Could you paste logs of your easy_install usage + the output of the commands I mentioned earlier? |
| 14:58.32 | saep | grobda24: It should. However it may suffice to install a debian squeeze chroot to start the program. |
| 14:58.50 | grobda24 | babilen: http://isis.astrogeology.usgs.giv requires one of their supported distro's in order to be able to provide scientifically replicable results. Its also easier for them to support specific distro's. |
| 14:59.09 | grobda24 | saep: chroot ? |
| 14:59.23 | babilen | grobda24: s/giv/gov ? |
| 14:59.32 | saep | http://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 14:59.33 | grobda24 | babilen: yes |
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| 15:00.54 | grobda24 | saep: thanks |
| 15:01.09 | martxel | hi |
| 15:02.22 | ihateyouall | babilen, still i would be happy beeing one day as educated/experienced as u are but i think i would need like 200 years (using linux since 6 years) |
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| 15:03.15 | ddssc | babilen, I've no idea where to find those logs. commands here : http://paste.debian.net/213567/ |
| 15:03.33 | babilen | ddssc: Well, you might still have the console open in which you ran them :) |
| 15:03.45 | ddssc | babilen, fraid not, I rebooted like a dozen times |
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| 15:05.34 | babilen | ddssc: Ok. Could you paste the output of "lsof -i", "netstat --listen" as well as the output of "service supervisor start" *after* you edited /etc/init.d/supervisor and added "set -x" after "set -e" in there? |
| 15:05.48 | ddssc | k |
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| 15:07.11 | babilen | ddssc: Please also *purge* supervisor (apt-get --purge supervisor) and run "ls -l /usr/share/pyshared/supervisor" along with "ls -l /usr/bin/superv* /usr/bin/pidproxy" too? |
| 15:07.23 | babilen | ddssc: err, make that "apt-get purge supervisor" :) |
| 15:08.22 | babilen | ddssc: I'll be back in a second |
| 15:08.28 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/213571/ |
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| 15:09.29 | petn-randall | Anyone know of a tool that you pass file names, and it backs them up by copying them to filename + suffix? |
| 15:09.48 | petn-randall | sed -i.backup 's/asdf/asdf/' seems a lot like misuse to me |
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| 15:10.50 | damacus | the tool you want is cp =) |
| 15:11.36 | damacus | could just write a small script that does cp "$@" "$@.backup" |
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| 15:12.19 | damacus | or $1 depending on how you intend to call the script |
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| 15:13.45 | ddssc | babilen, done http://paste.debian.net/213572/ . I was using apt-get install --purge before. |
| 15:15.55 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, could you try installing it again? I should also clarify that I am interested in seeing the debug output of "service supervisor start" *after* you killed the other process. |
| 15:16.03 | babilen | ddssc: Oh, please wait one second. |
| 15:16.37 | babilen | ddssc: Do you still have /var/run/supervisord.pid ? |
| 15:16.39 | petn-randall | damacus: Well, you might want to check if the args are real files, if the target file already exists, etc. And I kinda assume someone already did it and packaged it for Debian. |
| 15:17.18 | ddssc | babilen, 6746 root 15:02 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/supervisord |
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| 15:17.59 | babilen | ddssc: What is that? It looks like a running process ... Is that *after* you purged the package? |
| 15:18.11 | ddssc | yep |
| 15:18.29 | ddssc | i purged it and this is in my list of running procs |
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| 15:18.53 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, interesting. What does "ls -l /usr/bin/superv*" give you? |
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| 15:19.19 | ddssc | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/superv*: No such file or directory |
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| 15:19.42 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, could you kill that process please? |
| 15:20.30 | ddssc | done |
| 15:21.00 | babilen | ddssc: Ok - Any other supervisord process? |
| 15:21.39 | ddssc | no |
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| 15:22.03 | babilen | ddssc: Great. Lets continue by trying to install the Debian package again. (apt-get install supervisor) |
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| 15:22.09 | babilen | crosses his fingers |
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| 15:23.07 | damacus | petn-randall: doubt it, though it could be a nice utility |
| 15:23.20 | haylo | petn-randall: touch dogfile; echo 'cp -r "$1" "${1}.backup"' > my_program && bash my_program dogfile; ls dog* |
| 15:23.43 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/213573/ |
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| 15:25.50 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, so there was still stuff left from earlier runs. Could you edit /etc/init.d/supervisor again (add "set -x") and run "service supervisor start" again? |
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| 15:27.59 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/213575/ |
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| 15:31.29 | ddssc | babilen, btw I did kill the process and checked there were no other superv* named procs up |
| 15:31.44 | ddssc | before installing it |
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| 15:34.32 | haylo | petn-randall: better yet printf 'if test -f "${1}.backup" ; then echo file exists ; else cp -r "$1" "${1}.backup" ; fi' > my_program |
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| 15:35.00 | haylo | ./myprogram * to backup an entire directory should work |
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| 15:36.06 | haylo | and test for existence of a backup first :P use test with the "time" based function, will maybe get more of what you are really wanting |
| 15:36.12 | ddssc | babilen, killed proc, ran "service supervisor start" http://paste.debian.net/213576/ |
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| 15:37.19 | ddssc | also supervisorctl giving me errors now http://paste.debian.net/213577/ |
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| 15:39.42 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, multiple things. Could you purge the Debian package *again* and show me what you have in /usr/local ? (e.g. "find /usr/local") -- Are you running another webserver? |
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| 15:43.25 | ddssc | babilen, list is too big, how do i log it into a file? im running apache2 |
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| 15:44.59 | babilen | ddssc: I have the impression that supervisor wants to start a http server on port 80 and 443 -- You might want to stop apache. You could run "find /usr/local > local.list" and paste that (with, for example, "nopaste local.list" (cf "/msg dpkg nopaste") |
| 15:45.03 | ddssc | babilen, the errors im getting are all related to pythin packages. maybe purge python , reinstall and then try installing supervisor? |
| 15:45.59 | babilen | ddssc: But I am primarily interested in any python and in particular supervisor remnants in /usr/local -- What about "find /usr/local -name '*python*'" or "find /usr/local -name '*super'" |
| 15:46.09 | babilen | ddssc: You won't be able to purge Python |
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| 15:47.39 | babilen | ddssc: It looks as if there is still stuff in /usr/local (e.g. /usr/local/bin/supervisorctl) -- Does supervisord start if you are not running Apache? |
| 15:48.29 | ddssc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/213581/ |
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| 15:50.00 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, there is still supervisor shit in /usr/local -- In particular /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/supervisor-3.0b1-py2.6.egg (please (re)move that completely) |
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| 15:50.52 | babilen | ddssc: Also remove /usr/local/bin/pidproxy, /usr/local/bin/supervisorctl, /usr/local/bin/echo_supervisord_conf and /usr/local/bin/supervisord |
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| 15:51.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell ddssc -about stow |
| 15:51.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell ddssc -about stow usage |
| 15:51.59 | babilen | ddssc: You *really* want to start using stow to manage installations to /usr/local btw -- fwiw, you know that both zenmap and nmap are packaged for Debian, aren't you? |
| 15:52.03 | babilen | ,v zenmap |
| 15:52.04 | judd | Package: zenmap on i386 -- lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 6.00-0.2; wheezy: 6.00-0.2 |
| 15:52.08 | babilen | ,v nmap |
| 15:52.10 | judd | Package: nmap on i386 -- lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; sid: 6.00-0.2; wheezy: 6.00-0.2 |
| 15:52.16 | ddssc | babilen, waah... all that manually? sec.. |
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| 15:53.03 | babilen | ddssc: Well, obviously your easy_install uninstall didn't work |
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| 15:53.23 | ddssc | babilen, funny how that works.. the thing is called EASY install |
| 15:53.36 | babilen | ddssc: Which is not surprising as easy_install doesn't support uninstall/remove :) |
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| 15:53.44 | ddssc | rofl.. |
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| 15:55.36 | babilen | ddssc: pip does btw (as a side-note) -- I'll have to leave soonish™ so I hope that we get this sorted out soon. |
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| 15:56.52 | babilen | ddssc: So, remove *every* trace of supervisor on your system (purge the Debian package, manually clean up /usr/local) and stop apache. Then install the supervisor package again ... |
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| 15:57.55 | ddssc | babilen, by purge debian package you mean purge supervisor package? how about python package? maybe it would be wise to purge reinstall that too.. |
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| 15:58.20 | babilen | ddssc: AFAICT Python itself is not broken and you won't be able to remove Python anyway |
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| 15:59.23 | babilen | ddssc: btw, could you paste the content of /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/easy-install.pth ? |
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| 16:01.08 | ddssc | here http://paste.debian.net/213584/ |
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| 16:01.29 | ddssc | babilen, should I purge easy_intall ? |
| 16:01.35 | acu_ | I need to install Logical Volume Management to configure LVM in a graphical setting. What is the name of the application and can I download and install it through synaptic? |
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| 16:02.16 | ddssc | babilen, btw there's about 10 supervisor dirs/files scaterred around my system. delete all? |
| 16:02.21 | babilen | ddssc: Well, you can do that so that you are not tempted to use it again, but it won't help as it has already done its damage. |
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| 16:02.50 | babilen | ddssc: Scattered around *after* you purged the Debian package? |
| 16:02.56 | ChrisH | acu_: LVM in grahical? Never heard about auch an option. But LVM is simple enough to do it via CLI |
| 16:03.12 | babilen | ddssc: May I see those dirs/files ? |
| 16:03.59 | blubberdiblub | acu_, system-config-lvm |
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| 16:04.11 | ddssc | http://paste.debian.net/213587/ |
| 16:04.12 | babilen | ddssc: I also like to see the content of /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/easy-install.pth |
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| 16:04.32 | ddssc | babilen, here http://paste.debian.net/213584/ |
| 16:04.47 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, those files are there *after* you removed the Debian package? |
| 16:04.53 | acu_ | blubberdiblub, thanks , found it |
| 16:04.56 | ddssc | babilen, yes |
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| 16:07.15 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, the first are unrelated, but you should remove the last 4 (i.e. /tmp/supervisord.log /tmp/supervisor.sock /tmp/supervisord.pid and /etc/supervisord.conf). Please run "cat /tmp/supervisord.pid" before removing them though and make sure that the process is no longer running. |
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| 16:10.46 | ddssc | babilen, here's a list of my processes http://paste.debian.net/213590/ |
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| 16:11.18 | ddssc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.18 | ddssc | 10300 |
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| 16:13.02 | babilen | ddssc: Ok, it is no longer running. Anything from "lsof -p 10300" ? |
| 16:13.21 | babilen | (shouldn't be) |
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| 16:13.51 | ddssc | dont have lsof command :* |
| 16:14.41 | babilen | ddssc: you could installit! |
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| 16:14.55 | ddssc | babilen, Im weary of installing anything. ever. |
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| 16:15.20 | ddssc | ok lsof not giving me anything for 10300 |
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| 16:15.54 | babilen | ddssc: Should be fine to remove those 4 files now. Stop apache after having done that and try to reinstall supervisor again ... |
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| 16:17.44 | babilen | ddssc: I would also be intrested in the output of http://paste.debian.net/213593/ -- download it and call it "list-daemons" -- Output looks like: http://paste.debian.net/213594/ |
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| 16:18.57 | ddssc | babilen, you've been most helpful but Im not going to run your exes on my machine |
| 16:19.12 | acu_ | I have a free partition /dev/vda that I need to add to /dev/vda5 LVM physical volume. What would be the command for that? |
| 16:19.18 | babilen | ddssc: sure, I can understand that |
| 16:20.17 | babilen | ddssc: Please accept my apologies for suggesting it. I am giving you my word that I am *not* trying to do any damage to your system though. |
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| 16:20.37 | ddssc | babilen, np :) |
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| 16:22.53 | acu | what is the command for adding a free space partition to LVM partition/ |
| 16:24.03 | ddssc | babilen, install seems to have run correctly. http://paste.debian.net/213596/ I'll try firing up some procs see if it actually works |
| 16:24.12 | babilen | ddssc: yay! |
| 16:24.16 | woshty | are there any other ways to set policykit stuff than consolekit? |
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| 16:24.41 | ChrisH | acu: lvextend increases a logical volume, but you add additional disks to the volume group the Logical volume belongs to. |
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| 16:25.15 | ChrisH | acu: can you pastebin the output of vgs and lvs onto http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 16:27.43 | ddssc | uh oh.. |
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| 16:28.06 | ddssc | babilen, -bash: /usr/local/bin/supervisorctl: No such file or directory |
| 16:28.59 | babilen | ddssc: Just run "hash -r" and that should be fixed |
| 16:29.34 | babilen | ddssc: Or which command results in that error exactly? |
| 16:30.03 | ddssc | rebooted and it works now |
| 16:30.25 | Cultist | I have a debian 6.0.2 disc, is it much trouble to install -testing using that disc? |
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| 16:30.53 | woshty | Cultist: no |
| 16:31.04 | Cultist | cool |
| 16:31.09 | ddssc | babilen, anyway you'v won many internets today sir. muchias gracias |
| 16:31.18 | Cultist | I'm a slackware user ordinarily, thought I'd give a month or two on debian to see how I like it |
| 16:31.21 | pikaro | hi! I just goat an "could not be authenticated" error when fetching some packages from ftp.debian.de (Debian Sid). i did an apt-get update to check if there were any auth errors for the server, there weren't any. apt-key list doesn't show a specific sid signing key, though, but debian-archive-keyring is at the newest version. installing another package worked fine and without errors. what does that mean? why couldn't the first ones be authentic |
| 16:31.21 | pikaro | ated? |
| 16:31.31 | pikaro | pastebin is here: http://pastebin.com/02iuWENg |
| 16:31.47 | ToeTag | Cultist: not a problem - and welcome to debian |
| 16:31.56 | Cultist | thanks! |
| 16:32.44 | alvin_rxg | debian wheezy, becase of the broken console-kit, i try to use lightdm. but here lightdm dosenot load ~/.profile and ~/.xprofile... i have googled a lot, but no anweser. any idea to solve this problem ? thank you |
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| 16:34.06 | ToeTag | alvin_rxg: what desktop are you loading from lightdm |
| 16:34.23 | alvin_rxg | ToeTag: here i am using awesome wm. :) |
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| 16:34.45 | woshty | is there a way to tell aptitude to never select recommended packages with a package? |
| 16:34.53 | Ariel_Calzada | hi how to install gstreamer 1.0 in debian wheezy? |
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| 16:34.57 | ToeTag | alvin_rxg: did you install from the <wheezy> installer or did you upgrade from testing |
| 16:35.11 | safridzal | i know now that my problem is on the kernel,, i need newer kernel for this laptop.. is there a repo for recent kernel for debian (like ubuntu kernel ppa?) |
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| 16:35.27 | alvin_rxg | ToeTag: ehhh, it's from wheezy installer and wheezy is testing now =.= |
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| 16:36.15 | squisher | Morning folks, I compiled postgresql by hand for a squeeze system based on bpo. I have a pin on bpo for both server and client. After using dpkg to install, apt-get upgrade wants to _downgrade_ the client. |
| 16:36.17 | ToeTag | alvin_rxg: sorry meant to say *upgrade from <stable>, okay last question what is/was acting up with console-kit, I'm no longer having those issues |
| 16:36.32 | alvin_rxg | woshty: inside aptitude, press Ctrl-T, -> Option -> Preference, u will find it |
| 16:36.32 | squisher | apt-cache policy looks exactly the same for both server and client. I'm a bit stuck debugging this |
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| 16:37.16 | n2diy | What is best practice to allow a user to execute a file owned by root, change the ownership of the file, add the user to the admin group, change the file permissions, or...? |
| 16:37.33 | acu | ChrisH: thanks - I just did use logical volume management (before I formated the partition and then I could activate it ) this all happened in a vm - so everything is fine now, thanks a bunch |
| 16:38.09 | ChrisH | acu: OK. fine the LV is back |
| 16:38.10 | alvin_rxg | ToeTag: i added some script to let dbus-send use the console-kit for reboot and shutdown. those days it dosenot work. and there's a bugtrack, which says it's because of the console-kit's upgrade those functions r broken. |
| 16:38.27 | ToeTag | safridzal: I think you can use backports for that. eg. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-6-apt-get-install-linux-kernel-3-2/ |
| 16:38.54 | babilen | ddssc: You are welcome - Glad that we've been able to fix it. I would recommend to sort out your /usr/local (either by using stow or by using the Debian packages for both nmap and/or zenmap) and to get some backup solution running. Have a nice day and lots of fun! |
| 16:39.07 | woshty | alvin_rxg: ah, thx .. but apparently i have to install whole gnome metacity fubar just to get gdm3 |
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| 16:39.23 | safridzal | ToeTag: not even sid have 3.7 kernel.. |
| 16:39.39 | woshty | alvin_rxg: got a link on that console-kit issue? |
| 16:39.44 | alvin_rxg | woshty: yo, gdm3 needs too many stuffs to run |
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| 16:40.10 | ToeTag | safridzal: not a lot of distros do yet, arch linux probably has it if it's crucial |
| 16:40.14 | squisher | safridzal, it's pretty easy to compile your own kernel |
| 16:41.11 | ToeTag | safridzal: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelCustomCompilation |
| 16:41.13 | alvin_rxg | woshty: well, already long ago, don't know how to find it out :P |
| 16:41.27 | safridzal | well, ok thanks ToeTag squisher ,, will google for kernel compiling :D |
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| 16:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | n2diy: I don't know as there's a best way, it depends on what factors you're concerned about. You might want to use sudo restricted to that command. |
| 16:42.34 | woshty | alvin_rxg: i have never been able to use dbus shutdown etc with my wdm + xfce setup. tried lightdm yesterday, but that seems not to be able to handle multiseat properly atm |
| 16:42.35 | squisher | safridzal, check out make-kpkg (I think the package is called 'kernel-package') too |
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| 16:43.47 | alvin_rxg | woshty: ehhh there's no perfect solutions?... =.= |
| 16:43.51 | n2diy | jhutchins_wk, it's a preference file in an app., so I don't think it is a big security risk. |
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| 16:46.19 | zari | I installed debian 6 in my computer but there is not windows in grub menu how to add windows to menu? |
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| 16:46.57 | sney | zari: make sure you have os-prober installed and run update-grub as root |
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| 16:47.12 | woshty | alvin_rxg: i like reproducible, working solutions :/ dbus+policykit+consolekit is just a mess. what dm do you use? |
| 16:47.16 | _martin | can't be true http://pastebin.com/7UChgYHh 0o |
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| 16:47.43 | _martin | is there no better way to delete all files in this dir? |
| 16:48.21 | sney | delete the directory from the level above and then re-create i |
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| 16:48.34 | squisher | slower, but you could also use find |
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| 16:48.59 | zari | sney thank you it worked |
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| 16:49.18 | sney | zari np |
| 16:49.41 | zari | how to setup wireless network in debian 6 |
| 16:49.42 | _martin | http://pastebin.com/9FctDas2 ^^ |
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| 16:50.45 | sney | zari http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 16:52.48 | jhutchins_wk | One should make note of the ownership and permissions on the directory before deleting it... |
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| 16:55.43 | SuperNull | !dpkg help |
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| 16:56.14 | Cultist | how big is the difference between -stable and -testing? |
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| 16:56.54 | SuperNull | 2 letters. |
| 16:56.58 | GNU\colossus | about 7.94 |
| 16:57.02 | ToeTag | Cultist: the significance for the user mostly deals with packages |
| 16:57.37 | Cultist | are they equally supported for security updates? |
| 16:57.46 | ToeTag | Cultist: <stable> is as stable as a distro gets, and part of that is that the packages aren't updated much outside of security updates once the release is finalized |
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| 16:57.57 | babilen | Cultist: No, stable gets security support and testing does not |
| 16:58.00 | GNU\colossus | testing doesn't have security updates |
| 16:58.15 | Cultist | oh, maybe I'll stick to stable then |
| 16:58.15 | ToeTag | Cultist: <testing> is not something you'd want to use on a production server |
| 16:58.20 | Ontology | Anybody know anything about getting Miracast set up on debian for android screen sharing? |
| 16:58.23 | babilen | GNU\colossus: Not many at least (certainly not a priority right now) |
| 16:58.32 | GNU\colossus | yup |
| 16:58.33 | ToeTag | Plenty of us use testing/unstable for desktops |
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| 16:59.09 | sney | and it's essentially at the point where it'd be ok for a lab server or a home server, but not something that people other than you need to rely on |
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| 17:01.41 | Sevet | Cultist: testing does gets security support but not in the same way as stable (stable is updated asap, testing some time later through a unstable->testing migration) http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 17:02.27 | Sevet | Cultist: if you want to be as secure as possible, use stable |
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| 17:09.08 | jeddi | anyone else getting breakage with virt-manager on unstable (amd64) - pakcage confusion a few days ago with libnetcf1, python/libvirt and libvirt0 .. but apt able to resolve that today. but when running virt-manager get the following traceback (python error) |
| 17:09.10 | jeddi | ImportError: /usr/lib/libvirt.so.0: version `LIBVIRT_PRIVATE_0.9.12' not found (required by /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/libvirtmod.so) |
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| 17:09.18 | woshty | hmm, kdm seems to be able to set up consolekit session properly, how do i get rid of that annoying cursor? |
| 17:09.37 | Cultist | if using the guided installer with encrypted lvm, does it create a swap as well? |
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| 17:09.47 | Cultist | or rather |
| 17:09.50 | Cultist | the guided partitioner I mean |
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| 17:10.01 | Justin | Cultist: yes |
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| 17:10.39 | Cultist | ty |
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| 17:12.21 | squisher | so what exactly is the "archive name" in apt_preferences? |
| 17:12.45 | squisher | I thought it matched the changelog entry, but it seems like that's not true |
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| 17:16.23 | squisher | ok, the man page explains "Archive name" but how does it apply to packages installed with dpkg? |
| 17:16.36 | squisher | do they have an empty archive name? |
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| 17:18.21 | ololo | http://i50.tinypic.com/346q5mx.jpg |
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| 17:24.56 | nmarques | people I need help to be able to reply to a bug report |
| 17:25.03 | nmarques | is this the proper channel to ask for it ? |
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| 17:25.11 | babilen | nmarques: sure |
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| 17:25.21 | nmarques | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658783 |
| 17:25.28 | nmarques | I would like to leave a statement on this bug report |
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| 17:25.43 | nmarques | do I need to subscribe anything or just mail 658783@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 17:29.13 | squisher | nmarques, you don't have to subscribe to comment |
| 17:29.21 | squisher | an email is enough |
| 17:30.00 | ololo | <DELETED> |
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| 17:30.20 | nmarques | squisher, ok thanks |
| 17:30.23 | squisher | thank you babilen |
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| 17:43.51 | fishcooker | i've bluetooth device internal |
| 17:44.02 | fishcooker | but i cant connect it |
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| 17:44.23 | fishcooker | even $ service bluetooth status |
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| 17:44.26 | fishcooker | is running |
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| 17:45.54 | squisher | fishcooker, what desktop are you using? I use the applet to configure it |
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| 17:46.41 | fishcooker | gnome |
| 17:46.49 | fishcooker | what applet |
| 17:47.00 | fishcooker | ? |
| 17:47.17 | squisher | I think it's the blueman package |
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| 17:48.37 | fishcooker | i've running blueman |
| 17:48.43 | humboldt | how do I reactivate an "inactive" raid? |
| 17:48.50 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to mount my new Android FS which doesn't use usb mass storage anymore but MTP. I have installed mtpfs and FUSE. But it always needs root privileges. Any idea how I could fix that ? |
| 17:48.51 | fishcooker | but it wont work at all |
| 17:49.25 | humboldt | I had one disk not connected accidently and ran the raid for a long time |
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| 17:49.56 | squisher | fishcooker, honestly I don't use bluetooth much and it fails half the time. But if you want to get help, you need to be more specific and tell us exactly what you're trying to do. "It's not working" is not much information. |
| 17:50.32 | fishcooker | actually i wanto connect my cell phone via bluetooth |
| 17:51.01 | squisher | to use it for internet access? did you already pair them? |
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| 17:53.54 | fishcooker | squisher yes and also to control the phone |
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| 17:54.11 | fishcooker | i've check that bluetooth is running |
| 17:54.23 | fishcooker | no i haven't paired yet |
| 17:55.08 | fishcooker | because it cant |
| 17:55.13 | fishcooker | scan it |
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| 18:01.22 | Walex | lord_rob: mounting *always* requires root privileges |
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| 18:02.06 | Walex | lord_rob: but you can take advantage of 'root' wrappers if you add ",user" or ",users" to the relevant mount line in '/etc/fstab' |
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| 18:06.13 | lord_rob | Walex: I thought "soft" mounts like smbmount require root privilege |
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| 18:06.32 | lord_rob | pretty sure of that |
| 18:06.37 | nikolaj_basher | Is there someone who has IspCP as a frontend to you lampserver? how do you deal with backup |
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| 18:10.14 | lord_rob | Walex: I thought "soft" mounts like smbmount *DIDN'T* require root privilege |
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| 18:11.19 | lord_rob | forgot the most important word :) |
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| 18:16.44 | zari | how to set synaptic to download from internet not CD? |
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| 18:17.21 | abrotman | zari: edit your sources |
| 18:17.29 | abrotman | !tell zari about squeeze sources.list |
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| 18:24.27 | prietus | hi |
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| 18:25.34 | tidux | I'm having a problem with the systemsettings package (KDE settings) in Wheezy amd64 |
| 18:25.56 | tidux | one of the settings menus is missing |
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| 18:25.58 | tidux | http://www.imagebam.com/image/123db027768141/ |
| 18:26.11 | tidux | there's no way for me to get to that screen |
| 18:26.21 | zari | how to mount flash in debian 6? |
| 18:27.15 | Night_Elf | Hi all. What is a good software for recording the screen? Something similar to 'fraps' in winWorld ? |
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| 18:28.17 | tidux | so anyways |
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| 18:30.54 | n1md4 | I've an old etch system, and need to replace the PATA with SATA, now I've done that nothing shows up for sda in fdisk; running a 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | Night_Elf: recordmydesktop ? istanbul ? |
| 18:31.11 | tidux | >fdisk |
| 18:31.13 | n1md4 | Does anyone know if this kernel supports SATA? |
| 18:31.15 | tidux | try cfdisk |
| 18:31.18 | tidux | or |
| 18:31.19 | tidux | you know |
| 18:31.24 | tidux | a kernel less than five years old |
| 18:31.31 | tidux | your particular SATA controller might not be supported |
| 18:31.40 | n1md4 | that's what I'm thinkning. |
| 18:31.46 | abrotman | n1md4: it might, but it really depends on the controller |
| 18:31.54 | abrotman | well, it does .. but maybe not your controller |
| 18:32.00 | Night_Elf | abrotman: thanks for the hint. I will check them out. |
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| 18:32.16 | n1md4 | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 18:32.33 | abrotman | n1md4: why are you stil running etch? why not squeeze? |
| 18:32.49 | n1md4 | legacy really. |
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| 18:48.42 | sioux_ | hi, i' from brazil, and i cant set right date and hour in one server. I have 5 servers with debian squeeze, and just one i cant set right hour. |
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| 18:52.15 | abrotman | !tell sioux_ about set the time |
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| 19:05.20 | Justin | jimcooncat: you'd probably be better off using drbd |
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| 19:06.45 | bt9 | my debian 6.0.1 vrs had no python installed by default so I added deadsnakes ppa and apt-get install python2.7 |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | eh .. why? |
| 19:07.01 | bt9 | when i execute python I get a 2.6.7 prompt |
| 19:07.04 | abrotman | wait.. i don't want to know .. |
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| 19:07.31 | abrotman | better? |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | shakes his finger at debhelper |
| 19:07.47 | bt9 | 2.6.7? I mean 2.6.6 |
| 19:07.56 | bt9 | can someone explain why that is |
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| 19:08.05 | abrotman | because you already had python installed |
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| 19:08.37 | bt9 | but when i executed python before there was nothing |
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| 19:10.00 | bt9 | see the 2nd post here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/918238 |
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| 19:10.22 | bt9 | it advises if i want 2.7 as default runtime to run update-alternatives |
| 19:10.27 | bt9 | is that the right thing to do? |
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| 19:10.47 | abrotman | thats enough of that |
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| 19:11.01 | abrotman | bt9: using a PPA on Debian is never a good idea |
| 19:11.17 | bt9 | because it's for ubuntu? |
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| 19:17.44 | bubull3 | how to edit gtk+2.14 glade (2 ?) files while running debian unstable? |
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| 19:19.09 | jimcooncat | Justin: thanks. |
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| 19:22.34 | gh0st3r | trying to run a cronjob |
| 19:22.40 | gh0st3r | i have it created in my crontab -e file |
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| 19:22.58 | gh0st3r | under 0 0,3,6,9 * * * /root/script.sh |
| 19:23.05 | gh0st3r | and i can see Crontab running it in syslog |
| 19:23.15 | gh0st3r | it doesn't have results though.... |
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| 19:23.24 | blackness | is there a GUI to edit the gdm3 theme? or gdm theme? either one will be okay to use |
| 19:23.31 | gh0st3r | the /root/script.sh runs nmap -sV -oA ... .... |
| 19:23.34 | gh0st3r | any ideas? |
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| 19:24.00 | nikolaj_basher | gh0st3r, I don't think there should be , between the numbers |
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| 19:24.27 | xauth | gh0st3r: where were you expecting the output? |
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| 19:24.51 | gh0st3r | xauth not expecting output in STDIN or anything, expecting nmap to dump some files once it has run |
| 19:25.11 | gh0st3r | nikolaj_basher, it is supposed to run right on 03:00, 06:00... and such |
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| 19:26.15 | xauth | gh0st3r: Where would those files be, and how are you telling nmap to write there? |
| 19:26.19 | blackness | gh0st3r, you need to have it create a log..unless youre using flags with nmap to dump the output to file |
| 19:26.36 | gh0st3r | blackness, using -oA should dump files... |
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| 19:26.43 | blackness | nmap by default, wont create flatfile logging, only STDOUT |
| 19:26.45 | nikolaj_basher | gh0st3r, http://www.adminschoice.com/crontab-quick-reference |
| 19:26.59 | gh0st3r | Maybe I'll try a echo 1 > /tmp/before and echo 1 > /tmp/after to the script |
| 19:27.02 | blackness | gh0st3r, what does nmap commands here >> ~/nmap.log say ? |
| 19:27.03 | gh0st3r | see if it actually runs |
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| 19:28.40 | xauth | gh0st3r: Taking into account that cronjobs run from your home directory? With a limited environment? |
| 19:29.27 | gh0st3r | xauth, yeap... |
| 19:29.36 | gh0st3r | i'll try the echo |
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| 19:29.39 | gh0st3r | maybe this gives a bit more |
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| 19:30.32 | ewet | is there still a maintained debian live-cd or spin-off that does not pre-install _any_ GUI system? I need a vm-image or live-cd I can quickly fire off and do some stuff on the shell. I only need git and ssh (maybe ruby and python) |
| 19:31.25 | blackness | ewet, like a minimal setup? |
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| 19:31.51 | blackness | i believe debian has a server based ISO somewhere ewet if your looking for debian without GUI |
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| 19:32.39 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 19:32.51 | ewet | blackness: well, I guess I can do a minimal install myself then... I was hoping for a simple download ;-) |
| 19:32.52 | abrotman | ewet: just don't choose the Desktop task .. no GUI |
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| 19:32.59 | abrotman | ewet: use the netinst |
| 19:33.07 | khrz | ewet: Couldn't you just close X.Org on the regular live CD (I've never used it)? |
| 19:33.19 | khrz | Unless you're installing, then just use netinst. |
| 19:33.25 | blackness | ewet, you can create your own ISO of debian and run that as a LiveCD. which is what im doing ATM. |
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| 19:34.06 | ewet | khrz: no.. it would just take time of my pocket and be absolutely useless anyway |
| 19:34.21 | abrotman | ewet: just don't install the Desktop task .. done |
| 19:34.26 | blackness | build your default setup and all that jazz, then use remastersys to build your liveCD and done, you can do it within virtualbox if you dont have a computer allocated for building. |
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| 19:34.40 | ewet | blackness: I was really hoping someone would have done exactly that befoe and shared ;-) |
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| 19:35.05 | khrz | ewet: Does it need to be Debian, though? |
| 19:35.06 | blackness | ewet, im doing it for sharing, but im building a debian-openbox only setup. has X and openbox and thats it :) |
| 19:35.26 | khrz | If it's just git/ssh/ruby/python, I'm pretty sure SystemRescueCd has all of those. |
| 19:35.43 | gh0st3r | blackness can't you use just use the normal install and disable the GUI during the package checks? |
| 19:35.50 | blackness | Isnt that Gentoo based khrz ? and yes it has git/ssh/python not sure about ruby. |
| 19:35.58 | khrz | blackness: Yes. |
| 19:36.01 | ewet | khrz: maybe not but I'm used to apt-get/cache etc ... |
| 19:36.06 | abrotman | he can use the netinst ... |
| 19:36.08 | blackness | gh0st3r, i wanted a stripped down version. |
| 19:36.09 | abrotman | this is not rocket science |
| 19:36.19 | khrz | abrotman: I think he wants to run it as a live CD. |
| 19:36.25 | khrz | ewet: Do you want to run it or install it? |
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| 19:37.15 | j4jackj | why does abrotman hate me? |
| 19:37.52 | blackness | here we go again. |
| 19:38.00 | abrotman | If you ignore it, it will go away ... |
| 19:38.13 | blackness | like rashes? :P |
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| 19:38.32 | abrotman | ewet: ah, yes .. liveCD .. uhm, I think featherlinux (if it still exists) uses apt tools |
| 19:38.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ewet about children |
| 19:38.44 | ewet | khrz: oky systemrescuecd kinda has what I want but I'd have to change the boot screen anyways (70s menu delay *g* nit really what I want) -- guess I'm really doing a minimal install and look into it to share that somewhere as a vm-image |
| 19:38.53 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:38.55 | j4jackj | you know what if you don't care about anyone who uses debian on a week to week basis. |
| 19:38.57 | abrotman | !tell ewet about children distros |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | gives up |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | ewet: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 19:39.28 | abrotman | ewet: good luck |
| 19:39.35 | khrz | lol |
| 19:39.46 | abrotman | woefully out of date |
| 19:39.50 | blackness | ewet, why not just build your own LiveCD or use a preconfigured one that closely meets your needs? |
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| 19:40.07 | j4jackj | maybe i should build a 3-desktop live dvd |
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| 19:40.43 | jimcooncat | I still need a cluster file system to go on top of drbd |
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| 19:41.38 | j4jackj | i'm off to my debian install, see you on the other side when i hope i'm unqed |
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| 19:42.07 | ewet | blackness: I guess 'close' implies Xorg? |
| 19:42.46 | ewet | there's so many of those out there I wouldn't even have asked here ;-) |
| 19:43.18 | nnaway | Hi all, I am desperately trying to find a sound visualization program that connected into jack. It could plot 3d spectrum .. the name started with a v .. any idea .. Been searching the Internet for a while :P |
| 19:43.23 | ewet | I mean I'm going for it but I'm already downloading the netinstall .. so ... |
| 19:43.45 | blackness | no..download the debian minimal CDiso, mount it in virtualbox, install bare, then set it up as you wish, and use remastersys to build your LiveCD iso, one time setup and your good to go, bad part is depending on your setup it can take awhile..same with hardware for host. |
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| 19:46.20 | ewet | blackness: what's the minimal iso? the businesscard? |
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| 20:03.40 | spm-Draget | if I install a backport repository, it does not update any software I have, correct? I need to explicitly install with foo/squeeze-backports, correct? |
| 20:03.54 | spm-Draget | And is gimp-2.8 in squeeze-backports? |
| 20:04.03 | damacus | ,v gimp |
| 20:04.04 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; wheezy: 2.8.2-1; sid: 2.8.2-2 |
| 20:04.15 | damacus | doesnt appear to be in backports |
| 20:04.37 | damacus | but 2.8 is in wheezy so i bet if it were added to backports it would be 2.8 |
| 20:05.02 | damacus | and you're correct, wont update from backports |
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| 20:06.03 | spm-Draget | Thanks. |
| 20:06.13 | damacus | np |
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| 20:10.26 | d34d1y69 | Can anyone assist me with installing wireless firmware without an internet connection? |
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| 20:10.42 | dondelelcaro | d34d1y69: you'll have to have some sort of internet connection to get the firmware |
| 20:11.06 | d34d1y69 | I can put the files on a flash drive and drag them over |
| 20:11.08 | dondelelcaro | d34d1y69: but assuming you can download it, see the install guide, or the kmuto images which contain firmware |
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| 20:11.36 | dondelelcaro | d34d1y69: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 20:11.48 | d34d1y69 | All the install guides I can find require me to use internet connection on the pc |
| 20:11.57 | dondelelcaro | d34d1y69: uh... nope. |
| 20:12.11 | dondelelcaro | d34d1y69: see section 6.4.1 of the guide that I gave you a link to |
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| 20:12.54 | d34d1y69 | Okay thank you for your help I'll give it a shot |
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| 20:16.59 | phreaky | ola guys |
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| 20:17.24 | phreaky | may sound has been missing lately i 've reinstalled alsa and stuff and nothing is helping .. any suggestions ?> |
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| 20:36.50 | kanmor | I just broke my arch linux installation and at the moment I am too lazy to install it again. So I thought that it would be a good idea to use the good old debian for a few weeks. Should I use wheezy or sid on my desktop? |
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| 20:37.35 | phreaky | go for wheezy |
| 20:37.40 | phreaky | get a bpo |
| 20:38.10 | kanmor | hm |
| 20:38.31 | kanmor | is wheezy already in a frozen state? |
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| 20:38.47 | bmartin4 | yes. |
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| 20:39.00 | kanmor | :/ |
| 20:39.04 | bfig | wheezy! :DDD:D |
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| 20:39.39 | kanmor | is wheezy already using systemd by default? |
| 20:39.51 | mtn | kanmor: I am sure the forums have a long thread on your question |
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| 20:40.08 | mtn | kanmor: testing vs sid |
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| 20:40.41 | kanmor | mtn: yeah, probably :p |
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| 20:40.55 | kanmor | mtn: what are you using? |
| 20:41.08 | mtn | kanmor: lots and lots of opionions! I am on wheezy |
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| 20:43.20 | arf` | hi, is there some tool/command to point file(s) modified/created (against package version) after installation? |
| 20:44.22 | dvs | arf`: dpkg-drconfigure <package> can reconfigure a package for you if that's what you're asking. |
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| 20:44.35 | dvs | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:46.04 | arf` | not really (ok, if I take a snapshot and reconfigure everything in the original state, I can know files which were modified…) |
| 20:46.59 | phreaky | dfds |
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| 20:54.01 | pbxbrian | Evening |
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| 20:54.19 | dvs | not yet! |
| 20:54.24 | pbxbrian | LOL |
| 20:54.27 | pbxbrian | it is where I am |
| 20:54.49 | dvs | looks where pbxbrian is |
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| 20:55.49 | pbxbrian | is in Dublin |
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| 20:59.57 | awaxa | hi fellow debian enthusiasts! i need some help with a weird problem i've been having with installing a domU with the debian-installer under xen4 on squeeze |
| 21:00.27 | awaxa | let me pastebin the installer's syslog, one sec |
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| 21:02.02 | awaxa | ugh what's a good replacement for pastebinit now that their API has changed? |
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| 21:02.45 | RyanBrunswick | anyone here running Debian on a Thinkpad T61? |
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| 21:03.06 | dvs | !ak |
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| 21:03.09 | dvs | !ask |
| 21:03.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:05.46 | awaxa | ,v pastebinit |
| 21:05.47 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- lenny: 0.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; sid: 1.3-4; wheezy: 1.3-4 |
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| 21:08.47 | n2diy | If I change permissions on a file in a subdirectory, do I also have to change them in the parent directory? |
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| 21:09.16 | awaxa | finally http://paste2.org/p/2544590 |
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| 21:11.00 | awaxa | scroll down to Nov 30 20:09:06 debootstrap: dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip read error: '<fd:0>: invalid stored block lengths' |
| 21:11.05 | awaxa | i just can't figure out what i'm doing wrong |
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| 21:14.25 | n2diy | Why is it, when I create a file in my /home, I don't have permission to execute the file? |
| 21:14.37 | pbxbrian | you need to chmod +x the file |
| 21:14.55 | pbxbrian | if its a script |
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| 21:14.58 | n2diy | pbxbrian, I don't have to do that in Xubuntu? |
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| 21:15.30 | pbxbrian | Is it a script you are creating? |
| 21:15.34 | awaxa | n2diy: is /home mounted with the noexec option? do `grep noexec /proc/mounts` |
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| 21:16.09 | n2diy | pbxbrian, yes, a *.py script. |
| 21:16.17 | n2diy | awaxa, I don't know? |
| 21:16.27 | [TA]666th | or just change umask in .bashrc ? |
| 21:16.30 | awaxa | `grep noexec /proc/mounts` will tell you. it's not a default though |
| 21:16.49 | n2diy | awaxa, ok. |
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| 21:20.22 | doberman | is it required to restart the system after changing ulimits (/etc/security/limits.conf) ? |
| 21:20.37 | Sm0ke0ut | no |
| 21:20.38 | Walex | doberman: no, but they take effect on login/session startup |
| 21:20.46 | Sm0ke0ut | but you might need to login again |
| 21:20.48 | n2diy | awaxa, not sure I understand what that command is telling me? It only lists /sys, /proc, and /dev/pts. |
| 21:21.03 | awaxa | n2diy: as long as it doesn't list home, then noexec isn't your problem |
| 21:21.41 | doberman | Walex, that means, if I set it for www-data it will be in affect immediatelly after apache restart? |
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| 21:22.04 | awaxa | doberman: should be effective after an apache restart then, yes |
| 21:22.08 | Walex | doberman: a daemon is not part of a login or GUI session. |
| 21:22.14 | n2diy | awaxa, umm, ok. Thanks. |
| 21:22.46 | RyanBrunswick | how difficult is it to set up a Squeeze system as a dedicated audio production machine? |
| 21:22.50 | Walex | doberman: you need to put an 'ulimit' command in the script that starts the dæmon before it is started. |
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| 21:23.00 | awaxa | n2diy: it's far more likely that the file permissions are your issue. `chmod +x yourscript.py` would make it executable |
| 21:23.37 | awaxa | doberman: actually Walex is correct, pardon me |
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| 21:24.16 | n2diy | awaxa, yes, I 744ed it, I was just curious why it didn't work here, but does on the old Xubuntu box. |
| 21:24.31 | awaxa | n2diy: probably a different umask |
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| 21:26.00 | n2diy | awaxa, roger that, Debian is humbling me. :) |
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| 21:27.02 | doberman | oh ok thanks, but not sure how it will work with apache mpm itk, since it starts each proccess with a separate user set in the virtual host (which are in 1 group that I want to set ulimit for), but I will put ulimit in the script that starts the daemon too :) |
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| 21:28.38 | noRulez | helol |
| 21:28.45 | dvs | ih |
| 21:28.46 | n2diy | If I change permissions on a file in a subdirectory, do I also have to change them in the parent directory? |
| 21:28.49 | acu | Does binary >rm< come with debian ? |
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| 21:29.24 | noRulez | algum brasileiro ai? |
| 21:29.26 | [TA]666th | RyanBrunswick, what do you mean "audio production machine" setup vlc or ffmpeg ? |
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| 21:29.46 | RyanBrunswick | Seq24+Hydrogen |
| 21:29.56 | RyanBrunswick | And ZynnSubAddFx |
| 21:30.15 | RyanBrunswick | I'm going to be making music with my laptop using all open source stuff. |
| 21:30.37 | n2diy | [TA]666th, what section of .bashrc would I find the umask setting? |
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| 21:32.34 | [TA]666th | n2diy, you can put it to the end of .bashrc or uncomment it in .profile "grep umask ~/.profile" |
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| 21:33.33 | n2diy | [TA]666th, ok, I don't see it in .bashrc, let me look in .profile. |
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| 21:34.48 | [TA]666th | n2diy, its up on you where you put it, read something about differences between .bashrc and .profiile :) or if you want it for all newly created users /etc/skel/ |
| 21:34.56 | walrus2012 | whois afx |
| 21:36.00 | n2diy | [TA]666th, ok, I don't see anything relevant in .profile. |
| 21:36.36 | n2diy | [TA]666th, thanks. |
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| 21:38.40 | [TA]666th | # for ssh logins, install and configure the libpam-umask package. |
| 21:38.40 | [TA]666th | #umask 022" |
| 21:40.30 | deego | A colleague gave me an asus 56v laptop with windows 8 uefi to install debian on it. I have gone to the bios and disabled "secure boot control." I have looked at every option in the boot menu, but there's simply no option for 'boot from cd'. :| |
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| 21:42.35 | greycat | Can I shrink an NTFS partition from within the squeeze netinstall CD, or do I need a separate utility? |
| 21:42.44 | [TA]666th | deego, lol, very *ucking useful notebook by asus :DDD btw. is there cd-rom in that notebook ? :D |
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| 21:44.01 | jimcooncat | trying to back up a cifs mount with rsync, rsync doesn't want to get into the directory the mount is on |
| 21:44.37 | tremon | greycat: I don't think you can resize any partition from within the installer, but you may be able to install the regular ntfsprogs deb in the installer environment |
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| 21:45.52 | stew | I do know that a parted udeb at least exists |
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| 21:46.00 | stew | i'm not sure if it is on the installer or not |
| 21:46.10 | wipt | If I start a process followed by "&", is it dependent on it's parent process? That is, will the child die if the parent is terminated? |
| 21:46.14 | awaxa | greycat: it'd be far easier to use a livecd that has ntfs utilities in it. the debian install has no reason to include them. i used knoppix the last time i needed to do something like this |
| 21:46.17 | tremon | be prepared to go dependency hunting if you choose that route though. I've always resorted to the ubuntu livecd for things like that (knoppix would work equally well I guess( |
| 21:46.20 | deego | [TA]666th: Nvm, I see the cd now. It's a pain, for sure. |
| 21:46.30 | greycat | "no reason", eh? :-/ |
| 21:46.48 | tremon | wipt: man nohup |
| 21:46.55 | awaxa | greycat: i also have immense respect for you and mywiki.wooledge.org, so thank you for putting that together i guess |
| 21:47.17 | greycat | you're welcome |
| 21:47.27 | awaxa | i reference your "ftp must die" rant at least monthly :P |
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| 21:50.19 | wipt | tremon: thanks, I guess that works. I suppose "&" is dependent on the shell. I'm used to working with tcsh on FBSD. |
| 21:50.36 | watussi_ | I use a screen for monitoring and I search a soft to change webpage every 10 seconds |
| 21:50.43 | watussi_ | do you have any idea ? |
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| 21:51.20 | tremon | has lots of ideas |
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| 21:55.52 | [TA]666th | watussi, make some script and put it into crontab? |
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| 21:57.41 | Walex | greycat: my favourite sysadmin liveCD to do things like that is debian-based ans is called GRML. |
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| 21:58.43 | greycat | Walex: the issue I have with these things is that they all become out of date as I get a new machine with a new SATA controller which needs a new kernel... |
| 21:58.55 | greycat | I have a bunch of CDs lying around, none of which work. |
| 21:59.30 | greycat | The one I am trying right now is labeled "gparted live 0.4.6-1 (i386)" and it keeps trying to start X and the monitor keeps saying "Input Out Of Range, change to 1280x1024" |
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| 22:00.45 | greycat | Although when I try "sudo parted" from the shell that I get when I ctrl-alt-bs the X server, it seems to be doing ... something? |
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| 22:02.04 | Cowsquad | i am installing debian backported squeeze release and i was wondering if i should install grub or not |
| 22:02.24 | Cowsquad | i am using Ubuntu as my main distro |
| 22:02.30 | greycat | can "GNU Parted 1.8.8" shrink an NTFS partition nondestructively? |
| 22:03.34 | greycat | "print 1" -> "No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet". I guess that's a "no". |
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| 22:03.58 | Walex | Cowsquad: while everybody uses GRUB, some people like me think it does very evil things, and I still prefer LILO by a huge margin. |
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| 22:05.47 | haylo | Cowsquad: i would just install it and then run "sudo update-grub" from the ubuntu distro |
| 22:05.52 | Cowsquad | Walex so should i install debian grub or not? |
| 22:06.05 | haylo | that way you have the OS entry inside of the grub entry of your main operating system |
| 22:06.19 | haylo | Cowsquad: yes you should |
| 22:06.53 | greycat | OK. As long as I'm here, which bot-command tells me what I need for an 8086:1502 ethernet card? |
| 22:07.24 | tremon | ,pci-id 8086:1502 |
| 22:07.25 | judd | [8086:1502] is '82579LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1502 |
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| 22:08.14 | greycat | thanks |
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| 22:09.50 | Cowsquad | haylo okay which kernel should i install? |
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| 22:09.59 | greycat | (I guess "in squeeze" and "on greycat's squeeze netinst beta 1 CD" are two different things.) |
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| 22:10.14 | Cowsquad | 2.6 or 3.2.0 |
| 22:10.47 | [TA]666th | I had problem with cuda on new 3.2 kernel and my nvidia gforce 315m |
| 22:10.59 | [TA]666th | and it's easier to upgrade than downgrade :) |
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| 22:11.25 | haylo | Cowsquad: maybe go with the 2.6 its still the "stable" kernel |
| 22:11.25 | tremon | "in squeeze" generally means part of the kernel modules package (although dkms may qualify as well) |
| 22:11.36 | haylo | learn its ins and outs before you move on |
| 22:11.54 | nkuttler | Cowsquad: both |
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| 22:12.04 | wodim | hi, you know how could I fix this? https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mtASw7ZX95c/ULkvKjqkCTI/AAAAAAAAGAk/z6lQr4KUde0/s0/2012-11-30_23-11-47.png |
| 22:12.06 | tremon | I don't think the installer has less drivers (as in modules) than the installed kernel |
| 22:12.13 | Cowsquad | haylo shit i just choose 3.2.0 |
| 22:12.19 | haylo | Cowsquad: thats fine |
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| 22:12.27 | nkuttler | wodim: um, please use a text-based pastebin.. |
| 22:12.30 | tremon | but not sure about your "squeeze beta" :) |
| 22:12.47 | wodim | nkuttler: pretty hard to copy text from a virtualbox tty |
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| 22:13.20 | [TA]666th | wodim and what makes aptitude ... ? |
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| 22:13.29 | greycat | OK, guess I should bring a bunch of CD-RWs or something on Monday, hook up the previous Debian computer, and start hunting at random. :( |
| 22:13.39 | wodim | hmm the same, [TA]666th |
| 22:13.50 | wodim | i think i will just reinstall from scratch |
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| 22:15.43 | [TA]666th | wodim, I had some kind of trouble you have and I thought I should remove manually something from apt cache, but I'm not so sure |
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| 22:17.37 | [TA]666th | wodim btw. isn't there problem that the package of openoffice doesn't exists or something, OOo it's dead project, libreoffice is now actual ... |
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| 22:18.16 | wodim | wtf |
| 22:18.17 | wodim | how is that realted to my problem |
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| 22:20.10 | dondelelcaro | wodim: that looks really odd |
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| 22:20.19 | zophy | should menus have icons ? |
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| 22:20.37 | dondelelcaro | wodim: and I assume you get the same error after you apt-get update; and try again? |
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| 22:21.16 | wodim | dondelelcaro: what i did was deleting the file that was mentioned in the error message |
| 22:21.19 | wodim | and now it seems to work |
| 22:21.43 | dondelelcaro | wodim: yeah, that could do it |
| 22:21.55 | wodim | it happened after a hard disk crash... corrupted files probably |
| 22:21.57 | zophy | thinks apt-get update is for kids, adults forge versioning information |
| 22:22.03 | dondelelcaro | wodim: oh, yeah. |
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| 22:22.20 | dondelelcaro | wodim: I'd suggest running a bit of md5sums --check too, then |
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| 22:22.58 | rryoumaa | how comprehensive and reliable is ddc interface to high end consumer monitors? i get the sense that backlight control /might/ be supported for /some/ monitors, is about all, but that could be totally off. |
| 22:22.59 | keith__ | What's the method to choose a recording channel with "arecord" ? Want to record from either the Microphone or Line In. Both sources work in Audacity. |
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| 22:25.54 | nikolaj_basher | Is there a way to make cp to create paths if they don't exist in the destination folder |
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| 22:28.05 | rryoumaa | --parents? |
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| 22:28.25 | rryoumaa | or -r? |
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| 22:29.20 | wodim | is it possible to revert a tasksel? |
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| 22:29.30 | wodim | i.e. after installing desktop, uninstall it |
| 22:30.18 | zophy | dondelelcaro, are you using git as your web blog ? |
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| 22:32.17 | haylo | rryoumaa: i think the best we have is "mkdir -p /new/newer/newest", then copy into it that |
| 22:32.47 | haylo | you cant make all of those recursive directories with cp, but you could with tar, if you had already made and tarred them |
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| 22:34.50 | dondelelcaro | zophy: yes |
| 22:35.15 | dondelelcaro | wodim: yeah, you can. I'm not sure how easy it is to remove all of the packages, but you could certianly mark them all as automatically installed |
| 22:35.52 | haylo | rryoumaa: if you figure out a way, other than using tar or mkdir -p , I would love to know :P |
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| 22:39.32 | nikolaj_basher | rryoumaa, thaks |
| 22:39.35 | nikolaj_basher | thanks |
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| 22:42.34 | Agiofws | hey guys is there any way of of running a windows a installation via vmmplayer with out installing it through linux ? |
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| 22:44.16 | nkuttler | Agiofws: hm? |
| 22:45.19 | Agiofws | i mean nkuttler i have a dual boot system is there anyway i can run int from within debian ? |
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| 22:45.41 | nkuttler | int? |
| 22:46.06 | Agiofws | s/int/it |
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| 22:46.32 | nkuttler | Agiofws: really no idea what "it" means |
| 22:47.18 | Agiofws | i mean nkuttler i have a dual boot system is there anyway i can run windows installation from within debian ? |
| 22:47.29 | nkuttler | Agiofws: sure, you can use virtualbox for example |
| 22:47.37 | zophy | i think he wants to boot a real disk installation of windows instead of a vmware image |
| 22:47.44 | nkuttler | Agiofws: or do you mean the one on your harddisk? |
| 22:47.51 | Agiofws | exactly zophy |
| 22:47.55 | Agiofws | yes |
| 22:48.11 | nkuttler | can't virtualbox do that? |
| 22:48.15 | Agiofws | i mean i laready have it there why should i install a new installation |
| 22:48.25 | nkuttler | Agiofws: different hardware |
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| 22:49.27 | zophy | i've done that, but i'm not familiar with vmware anylonger |
| 22:49.51 | tremon | I don't think it's possible if it's an already existing installation |
| 22:49.56 | Agiofws | zophy, are you sure you can do that ? |
| 22:50.34 | zophy | with the older vmware i could boot an existing windows installation |
| 22:50.48 | tremon | It's not even because of driver changes (win7 can handle changing the underlying hardware iirc), but the "disk" you will be using has no partition table |
| 22:50.49 | nkuttler | anyway, this sounds more like a vmware support question |
| 22:51.36 | nkuttler | Agiofws: people in #vmware should know more about this |
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| 22:52.22 | atomfire | hey everyone. this might be a silly question, but what's a good pdf viewer that I can get from the repos? |
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| 22:52.37 | dvs | okular |
| 22:52.55 | atomfire | thank you |
| 22:53.01 | dvs | np |
| 22:53.01 | Agiofws | atomfire, evince ? |
| 22:53.33 | atomfire | Agiofws: thank you, I must have done some kind of really minimal install, I don't have a pdf viewer |
| 22:54.33 | atomfire | hah, okular wants to pull in half of kde along with it :) |
| 22:54.46 | dvs | xpfd? |
| 22:54.51 | dvs | xpdf? |
| 22:55.05 | nkuttler | atomfire: yeah, evince or xpdf |
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| 22:56.03 | retraut | Hi |
| 22:56.14 | retraut | Pepole, I have some question |
| 22:56.23 | dvs | hides |
| 22:57.09 | retraut | Install munin, after that add to the apt bacports-repo, udate munin. Munin do not show anything |
| 22:57.15 | retraut | What i do wrong& |
| 22:57.17 | retraut | ? |
| 22:57.35 | dvs | ,v munin |
| 22:57.36 | judd | Package: munin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; squeeze-backports: 2.0.0-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2.0.6-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.0.6-1; wheezy: 2.0.6-1 |
| 22:57.37 | retraut | After that I remove munin with apt-get purge |
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| 22:58.12 | dvs | retraut: apt-get -t squeeze-backports munin |
| 22:58.15 | jhutchins_wk | retraut: Failed to read the instructions on the backport page. |
| 22:58.18 | retraut | And remove backports repo, install a stable package - but now munin show only 1 view |
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| 22:59.10 | retraut | <jhutchins_wk> where i can read info about that? |
| 22:59.11 | jhutchins_wk | retraut: I have not tried munin yet, but check those directions and try upgrading to backports again. |
| 22:59.30 | jhutchins_wk | http://backporgs.debian.org |
| 22:59.35 | jhutchins_wk | backports even. |
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| 22:59.56 | jhutchins_wk | is typing with bandaids, we were schleping servers today. |
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| 23:00.51 | retraut | I have one more quiestion - how to join to #php chanell? It only with invite... |
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| 23:01.21 | nkuttler | retraut: /msg nickserv help register |
| 23:01.32 | themill | retraut: it's ##php and you need to register and identify to nickserv |
| 23:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | retraut: It may be invitational only for developers, not general support. |
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| 23:02.21 | retraut | Thx! Debian channel! You are greatest ;) |
| 23:02.26 | haylo | atomfire: "mupdf" is the lightest i have found |
| 23:02.35 | themill | jhutchins_wk: no |
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| 23:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | themill: That's what that feature is supposed to be for, isn't it? If it's ##pdf #pdf should forward. |
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| 23:04.56 | themill | jhutchins_wk: it does |
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| 23:08.16 | atomfire | haylo: hey thank you! |
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| 23:09.51 | doberman | do limits set in limits.conf apply when "su" ? |
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| 23:10.01 | Lartza | Is there an SPI programmer for Debian? |
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| 23:11.55 | tremon | Lartza: depends on the interface. I know only flashrom |
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| 23:13.04 | Lartza | tremon, Through serial |
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| 23:13.21 | Lartza | Oh man this is going to be tricky though I can see it now already... |
| 23:13.45 | tremon | serial, as in ttyS? rs232? |
| 23:13.54 | Lartza | Umm |
| 23:14.09 | Lartza | rs232 without rs232, using a raspberry pi ;) |
| 23:14.18 | tremon | ah :) |
| 23:14.23 | Lartza | I need to flash a friends chinese android tablet crap |
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| 23:14.59 | Lartza | Would have been rs232 until I realized RPi has 3V SPI so I can skip MAX232 that would have been needed to get the 12V to 3V for the tablet |
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| 23:16.53 | Lartza | tremon, Sadly the flash isn't listed in flashrom I think |
| 23:16.54 | Lartza | MX25L4005 |
| 23:18.46 | tremon | hmm. don't know enough about spi to help you further, but I'd think there is more difference between rs232 and spi than the voltages :) |
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| 23:20.08 | Lartza | tremon, rs232 > TTL |
| 23:20.19 | Lartza | Or well in this case with the raspberry it's really TTL to TTL |
| 23:20.45 | tremon | I'm talking about line discipline (protocol), not voltages |
| 23:20.47 | Lartza | Trellmor, The max232 chip would have handled it with rs232 |
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| 23:21.29 | Lartza | tremon, Umm :/ |
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| 23:22.24 | tremon | ok, well if the chip can be written with standard serial line protocol, a cat $file > /dev/ttySn should suffice |
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| 23:23.12 | tremon | and if the RPi has a genuine spi port, I'd expect there to be a driver for that port too |
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| 23:23.46 | Lartza | tremon, Not sure, it's a hackable system not a ready made ;) |
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| 23:24.23 | Lartza | tremon, SPI is on the pins |
| 23:24.28 | Lartza | GPIO |
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| 23:24.41 | Lartza | TXD and RXD |
| 23:25.28 | tremon | those pin designations are from rs232, not spi |
| 23:25.50 | tremon | spi calls them mosi and miso |
| 23:26.49 | tremon | I think this is getting too far offtopic for this channel, you'd better ask on a list that knows the rpi hardware |
| 23:27.28 | Lartza | tremon, Ther eis no problem with the hardware, it is 3.3V TTL, UART :) |
| 23:27.35 | Lartza | *There is |
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| 23:28.10 | Lartza | Just if the tablet I am connecting to has broken uboot I need something to flash a new uboot |
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| 23:28.30 | tremon | you just said you were trying to program a MX25L4005, right? |
| 23:28.50 | Lartza | Yeah it should be that |
| 23:28.53 | Lartza | On the tablet |
| 23:29.13 | Lartza | tremon, That's what SPI FlashROM Programmer 1.9c sees it as |
| 23:29.14 | tremon | that chip doesn't speak uart, rs232 |
| 23:29.26 | Lartza | It doesn't speak rs232 but it speaks TTL... |
| 23:29.29 | Lartza | like raspberry |
| 23:29.56 | tremon | ttl isn't a protocol |
| 23:30.01 | Lartza | If I want to connect either to an rs232 I need something in between |
| 23:30.15 | tremon | yes, you need a clock generator |
| 23:30.38 | Asciimike | hello there, i have some problems with my sil 0649 raid controller. The Controller is using the pata_cmd64x driver. I´ve deleted all settings in the controller bios, but it autocreates the raid volumes. This volumes are in debian diskmanager known as raid volumes, but i´m not able to locate nor mount the raid. I only see the 4 drives. Anyone know how to fix this problem? google doesnt help me |
| 23:30.39 | Lartza | But I shouldn't need one in this case, since there is no rs232 involved |
| 23:30.55 | Lartza | They are the same voltages, and should communicate just fine directly |
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| 23:31.32 | tremon | Lartza: you mean you want have direct access the gpio pins on the rpi side? |
| 23:31.38 | tremon | s/want// |
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| 23:32.07 | Lartza | tremon, Yes |
| 23:32.26 | Lartza | tremon, http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png |
| 23:32.27 | tremon | ok, at least now I understand what you're trying to do :) |
| 23:32.38 | Lartza | The pins are plainly on the circuit ;) |
| 23:33.49 | tremon | so basically, you're looking for some software that can generate an SPI signal on specific gpio pins on the rpi? |
| 23:34.27 | Lartza | tremon, I guess? :D |
| 23:35.04 | Lartza | I need to connect the tablet with the Pi, then check if ubboot is alive and if not flash it again |
| 23:35.05 | tremon | well at least that's a question that knowledgeable people with an rpi should be able to answer :) |
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| 23:35.22 | Lartza | tremon, The guide uses a windows program SPI FlashROM Programmer |
| 23:35.30 | Lartza | tremon, Yeah |
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| 23:36.24 | tremon | yes, usually you need some special hardware to generate an SPI signal, and a driver to talk to the special hardware. In your case, maybe someone has already done so for the rpi, but this is not the place to ask |
| 23:36.28 | Asciimike | what i made wrong in setup the raid volumes? |
| 23:36.30 | Lartza | But if the RPi has SPI exposed somehow universally I could use a regular profram for this |
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| 23:36.40 | Lartza | *program |
| 23:36.42 | tremon | probably, yes |
| 23:36.57 | Lartza | tremon, Since the distro I am using is just a rebuild of armhf |
| 23:37.33 | Lartza | Gosh I have a feeling that if the uboot is read I am not going to be able to fix the tablet :P |
| 23:37.36 | Lartza | *dead |
| 23:37.39 | tremon | Asciimike: the bios autocreates them? maybe because it detects the headers on the disks? |
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| 23:38.11 | tremon | Lartza: worst-case you need to buy yourself an spi programmer |
| 23:38.22 | tremon | or build this one: http://www.malinov.com/Home/sergeys-projects/spi-flash-programmer |
| 23:38.29 | Lartza | tremon, Or a max232 and use Windows :P |
| 23:38.34 | Lartza | *3232 |
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| 23:39.43 | tremon | Asciimike: if the array doesn't contain important data, you might want to try zeroing the first and last megabyte on the drives |
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| 23:42.12 | Lartza | tremon, At least RPi has a kernel driver for SPI :) But I will ask my remaining questions in RPi channels if anything comes up, thanks for your help |
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| 23:43.03 | Asciimike | tremon, tryed this...it says no disks configurated creating arrays.... |
| 23:43.17 | Asciimike | reboots the system and *tada* i have the raid volumes back |
| 23:44.44 | tremon | Asciimike: if you've tried removing the array from the bios too, I think there's you can do about it from debian |
| 23:44.53 | tremon | but maybe someone else knows that particular chipset |
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| 23:47.36 | Asciimike | i also made a software raid 5 over this 4 disks rebooted the system and the Controller created new raid 10 volume. Then the software raid couldnt start again cause of the hardware raid lock. |
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| 23:49.31 | tremon | http://www.brianhensley.net/2012/02/python-controlling-spi-bus-on.html |
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| 23:49.38 | tremon | Lartza: ^^ seen this? |
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| 23:51.02 | Lartza | tremon, No but I've read other articles about SPI and RPi |
| 23:51.43 | Lartza | tremon, It is starting to look more and more like that if I come to the situation where uboot is busted and I need to flash it I will have to code something myself to program the flash... |
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| 23:51.50 | Lartza | Which I can't do :) |
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| 23:52.07 | nikolaj_basher | is there a way to run a commando from a ssh terminal and then logout at the script will execute to the end |
| 23:52.23 | tremon | nikolaj_basher: screen or tmux |
| 23:52.26 | zykotick9 | nikolaj_basher: check out "screen" |
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| 23:52.47 | nikolaj_basher | zykotick9, thanks |
| 23:52.49 | Lartza | tremon, But checking if uboot is alive with Kermit through serial is one step already |
| 23:52.59 | nikolaj_basher | tremon, thanks |
| 23:53.01 | tremon | :) |
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| 23:53.54 | Lartza | I should try tmux sometime |
| 23:53.58 | Lartza | I have always used screen |
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| 23:55.06 | nikolaj_basher | tremon, I think it was nohup I was looking for |
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| 23:57.44 | Lartza | nikolaj_basher, Do you need to interact with it again? |
| 23:58.41 | nikolaj_basher | Lartza, maybe |
| 23:58.53 | Lartza | Then use tmux or screen :) |
| 23:59.47 | nikolaj_basher | Lartza, thanks |
