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| 00:08.20 | lelu | hey all |
| 00:09.44 | lelu | I have a little problem someone may be able to help me with. I have set up a directory on my server and successfully chrooted my users to their subdirectory within it and all that works. But now my nginx install can't access those files. I'm new to this, are there any good tutorials or documentation on this? |
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| 00:14.59 | woshty | is there an eta on lxdm? |
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| 00:15.51 | abrotman | in which version of debian? |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | woshty: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560004 |
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| 00:32.04 | IrcDroidClient | okay i just installed debian squeeze but my wireless connections are not showing. how do I enable wireless on gnome desktop |
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| 00:32.45 | IrcDroidClient | i see the icon on the top right corner , but every option is grayed out |
| 00:32.55 | dvs | IrcDroidClient: comment them out of your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 00:35.17 | IrcDroidClient | they are comment out |
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| 00:36.55 | chovy | how can i use spaces w/ rsync? rsync ./Foo\ Bar user@host:/var/Foo\ Bar/ actually creates /var/Foo |
| 00:37.12 | chovy | not /var/Foo Bar |
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| 00:37.35 | dvs | chovy: Put double quotes around the params |
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| 00:38.01 | dvs | "/var/Foo Bar" |
| 00:38.21 | chovy | user@host:'/var/Foo Bar' ? |
| 00:38.25 | chovy | that doesn't look right |
| 00:38.31 | mrjack | jippie: http://office.smart-weblications.net/nested-kvm2.png |
| 00:38.54 | dvs | chovy: "user@host:/var/Foo Bar" |
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| 00:40.39 | chovy | dvs: still just created /Foo |
| 00:40.43 | chovy | not /Foo Bar |
| 00:41.27 | IrcDroidClient | how do i have access internet on debian? |
| 00:41.29 | dvs | dunno then |
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| 00:44.21 | chovy | ok, i need 'user@host:/var/Foo\ Bar' |
| 00:44.28 | dondelelcaro | chovy: or you need rsync -s. |
| 00:44.55 | blackness | what is a good alternative for VNC for the remote desktop? |
| 00:45.19 | chovy | blackness: which desktop? |
| 00:45.21 | dondelelcaro | blackness: for Debian? you don't really need one. For windows, use rdesktop. |
| 00:45.35 | chovy | yes, rdesktop is what i use on mac |
| 00:45.46 | chovy | but i haven't connected to linux, only windows w/ rdesktop |
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| 00:47.12 | chovy | how come rsync would finish, but if i type du -s in both directories they are different? |
| 00:47.36 | chovy | i'm using rsync -avz |
| 00:47.47 | chovy | which should delete stuff on target that isn't in source. |
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| 00:52.32 | blackness | debian.. |
| 00:52.55 | cusco | yes |
| 00:52.58 | blackness | remote desktop uses vnc, id like something better..the images seem to lag down alot |
| 00:53.07 | cusco | chovy: need --delete for that |
| 00:53.29 | cusco | X is server/client |
| 00:53.49 | cusco | also vnc supports compressio... |
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| 00:55.12 | dvs | !wb |
| 00:55.12 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 00:55.18 | chovy | cusco, ok, thanks. |
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| 01:03.43 | freedom | just farted |
| 01:03.44 | freedom | expected it to be silent |
| 01:03.44 | freedom | instead it sounded like a frog |
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| 01:08.52 | Lucas_BP | Person, goodnight. Anyone have any tips to block nmap? |
| 01:09.10 | Lucas_BP | using debian |
| 01:10.01 | sussudio | nmap yourself and stop any services it finds. |
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| 01:13.13 | Lucas_BP | sussudio no understand! |
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| 01:16.10 | bool | I need to compile alsa drivers externally (i need to modify the code in able to use my usb2 soundcard). The debian default kernel has built in support for ALSA, I guess I need to compile a custom kernel without ALSA and then compile ALSA externally in order to do what I want. Am I correct? |
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| 01:17.10 | dvs | bool: Or you could try the backported kernel and see if it has the support you need. |
| 01:17.32 | bool | dvs: I am running wheezy. It does not |
| 01:18.06 | bool | the alsa drivers are not fully usb class 2 compliant |
| 01:18.15 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:21.19 | greycat|home | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch03s05.html.en says the installer can resize an NTFS partition. Huh, I guess nobody here 3 hours ago knew this. |
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| 01:21.42 | chovy | cusco: i am using --delete and i still get different numbers |
| 01:21.47 | chovy | when i do 'du -s' |
| 01:22.10 | dvs | didn't know that |
| 01:23.21 | sussudio | i thought i was pretty clear... |
| 01:24.08 | greycat|home | sussudio: if you answered me earlier, I missed it. Also, it didn't help that the installer aborted BEFORE the partitioning step, because it couldn't find the network interface. |
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| 01:25.51 | sussudio | greycat|home: <Lucas_BP> Person, goodnight. Anyone have any tips to block nmap? <Lucas_BP> using debian <sussudio> nmap yourself and stop any services it finds. <Lucas_BP> sussudio no understand! * Lucas_BP (~dvn@189-107-12-113.user.veloxzone.com.br) Quit |
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| 01:46.37 | trist4n | hi! im having some trouble with 'libapt-pkg.so' when i use apt. |
| 01:46.50 | trist4n | it gives an error: 'ImportError: libapt-pkg.so.4.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. |
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| 01:47.06 | trist4n | i believe that i actually using libapt-pkg.so.4.12 instead, as it shown by the fact that i ahve that package installed |
| 01:47.09 | trist4n | and am using wheezy. |
| 01:47.16 | trist4n | but i cant get that error to go away! it seems like maybe apt it using the wrong library? |
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| 01:53.07 | greycat|home | wheezy: "netinst (generally 135-175 MB) CD images" but the amd64 one is 221 MB |
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| 01:55.31 | nkuttler | greycat|home: there are more bits |
| 01:55.53 | greycat|home | I'm guessing the text on the web page hasn't been updated in a while. |
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| 02:07.04 | habstinat | I want to install Debian on a computer given to me but the BIOS is password locked and I don't know the password, so I can't boot from media or install bootloaders. I was able to repartition the disk for a dual boot using the Debian Windows installer (win32-loader) and I was almost able to complete installing Debian, but the installation failed at the bootloader step (I tried both GRUB and LILO; both failed). Is there any way to |
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| 02:07.20 | woshty | abrotman: any version :) has been going on for some time apparently, but no joy yet |
| 02:08.00 | greycat|home | habstinat: typically you can open the case and do something to the motherboard to reset the BIOS password |
| 02:08.06 | woshty | habstinat: what kind of computer is that? |
| 02:08.08 | greycat|home | check the motherboard's documentation online |
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| 02:09.53 | habstinat | greycat|home: woshty: Thanks but I really don't have an interest in taking apart the computer; I'd like to see if there are any software solutions (even if it's an inferior solution) first. |
| 02:10.53 | LtL | habstinat: hack the password, or remove the mobo battery for a minute, or find the bios reset jumper. period |
| 02:11.03 | nkuttler | habstinat: unlikely. but you can boot off a cd or something |
| 02:11.19 | nkuttler | that is, if you can boot from something external.. |
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| 02:11.29 | greycat|home | If there is a software "solution" then the motherboard password is totally useless, isn't it? |
| 02:11.38 | greycat|home | That's kinda the point of having one. |
| 02:12.54 | habstinat | nkuttler: LtL: greycat|home: How does Ubuntu's Wubi install Ubuntu without the use of an extra bootloader then? The Debian installer can already add the installation menu entry to the Windows bootloader; can it add an entry to boot Debian? Is it not a practice that works on other distros? |
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| 02:17.34 | jesusemelendezm | hey guys!! where can I find debian irc channels classified by countries? |
| 02:17.57 | nkuttler | jesusemelendezm: which country/language do you need? |
| 02:18.05 | greycat|home | The other channels are specified by language, not country. |
| 02:18.56 | Maniqui | hi. I haven't had luck trying to make Flash to work in Chromium nor Google Chrome on Debian Wheezy (netinst) |
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| 02:19.33 | jesusemelendezm | Maniqui, what are you trying to do... |
| 02:19.34 | Maniqui | The built-in Flash player that usually comes bundled with Chromium & Google Chrome doesn't seem to be present |
| 02:19.41 | Maniqui | (not listed in about:plugins) |
| 02:19.47 | jesusemelendezm | nkuttler... Canada |
| 02:19.50 | jesusemelendezm | also Venezuela. |
| 02:20.06 | Maniqui | and i've tried also installing the flashplayer-nonfree package. |
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| 02:20.29 | jesusemelendezm | guys, I just built a debian machine... It is up and running! but the host is a ubuntu machine. |
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| 02:20.41 | nkuttler | jesusemelendezm: like greycat said, they are grouped by language |
| 02:21.02 | Maniqui | everytime I visit a page with a Flash component, I get the "Could not load Shockwave Flash" message on Chromium. |
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| 02:21.54 | nkuttler | !tell Maniqui about flashplugin |
| 02:22.53 | Maniqui | nkuttler, thanks. I may try gnash or lightspark too. |
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| 02:22.58 | jesusemelendezm | thanks nkuttler... what desktop OS do you use/ |
| 02:22.58 | jesusemelendezm | ? |
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| 02:23.41 | nkuttler | jesusemelendezm: Debian of course |
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| 02:27.50 | paxcoder | is there a D programming language package, what's it called? |
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| 02:30.32 | bubull3 | gdc |
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| 02:31.07 | paxcoder | bubull3, thx |
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| 02:33.12 | jesusemelendezm | nkuttler debian or ubuntu?? |
| 02:33.49 | jesusemelendezm | I have Ubuntu, should I consider my self that I have debian? I can't have debian as a desktop... It is not that friendly as Ubuntu is... however I have it as a server. |
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| 02:34.11 | greycat|home | We don't support Ubuntu here, so if you need help with it, you'll have to ask #ubuntu. |
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| 02:37.49 | nrs_ | so i have a problem i could use some help with |
| 02:38.05 | nrs_ | i need to rebuild a RAID5 array |
| 02:38.14 | nrs_ | then stick LUKS on it |
| 02:38.19 | nrs_ | then stick LVM on that |
| 02:38.27 | nrs_ | then build my filesystems |
| 02:39.06 | nrs_ | but i'm unclear why it looks like the UUID from RAID5 array --> LUKS device --> LVM dont seem to line up properly |
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| 02:43.43 | damacus | dont seem to line up properly? |
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| 03:01.20 | nrs_ | damacus: UUIDs dont follow |
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| 03:04.01 | tidux | how do I get a list of what init-scripts in /etc/init.d are set to run at boot? |
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| 03:12.59 | IrcDroidClient | what desktop are you guys using with debian 6.0.6? |
| 03:13.46 | mmnicolas | IrcDroidClient: was using Gnome 2 with Compiz, good times |
| 03:13.50 | paxcoder | xfce is now the default. i'm using xfce |
| 03:15.01 | tidux | xfce isn't the default anymore |
| 03:15.10 | tidux | it's back to GNOME 3 in Wheezy iirc |
| 03:15.20 | IrcDroidClient | i know is gnome 2 something |
| 03:15.28 | mmnicolas | yea since di beta2 |
| 03:15.34 | paxcoder | the only two things that bother me is that the volume applet opens a window so it's not as convenient, and the second is that, by default, scrolling in a window puts focus on it. but i've turned that feature off |
| 03:15.49 | IrcDroidClient | debian looks exactly like solaris 11 |
| 03:16.01 | tidux | I use KDE with Awesome instead of KWin on Wheezy |
| 03:16.03 | tidux | it's amazing |
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| 03:17.04 | paxcoder | don't like tiling managers. and kde feels unweildy |
| 03:17.09 | paxcoder | *unwieldy |
| 03:17.29 | tidux | KDE feels unwieldy in large part due to KWin being a pile of cocks |
| 03:17.31 | paxcoder | IrcDroidClient, tidux, which is it then? |
| 03:17.50 | tidux | paxcoder: GNOME 3 is the current default desktop for Wheezy |
| 03:17.55 | tidux | although I hope they go back to Xfce |
| 03:17.59 | tidux | GNOME is dying |
| 03:18.11 | paxcoder | Ticho, i don't like the KDE panel |
| 03:18.21 | tidux | so hide it |
| 03:18.25 | tidux | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 03:18.44 | tidux | disable the panel and use your WM of choice's version |
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| 03:19.01 | IrcDroidClient | whats weezy. i have squeeze |
| 03:19.05 | paxcoder | <paxcoder> i don't like KDE |
| 03:19.06 | paxcoder | <tidux> so hide it |
| 03:19.06 | paxcoder | <tidux> ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 03:19.09 | tidux | Wheezy is the next release |
| 03:19.19 | mmnicolas | IrcDroidClient: then enjoy Gnome 2 until it lasts |
| 03:19.24 | tidux | paxcoder: you said "the KDE panel" |
| 03:19.25 | paxcoder | warning: false convo above. |
| 03:19.32 | paxcoder | tidux, that's what it amounts to |
| 03:19.39 | paxcoder | i hide the WM and the panel |
| 03:19.40 | tidux | oh |
| 03:19.52 | tidux | well yeah, but that's not the best part of KDE |
| 03:19.54 | tidux | just the most visible |
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| 03:20.03 | paxcoder | hah. |
| 03:20.13 | tidux | the best parts of KDE are KIO, the libraries, the applications, and bluedevil |
| 03:20.25 | paxcoder | IrcDroidClient, mmnicolas, cinnamon |
| 03:20.33 | tidux | marry them with your window manager of choice, and you have a real winner |
| 03:20.42 | tidux | I've debated mixing KDE with Window Maker |
| 03:20.52 | paxcoder | tidux, i like my gtk apps |
| 03:21.05 | paxcoder | i can use qt libs without KDE |
| 03:21.12 | paxcoder | and what's bluedevil? |
| 03:21.23 | tidux | bluedevil is the KDE bluetooth subsystem |
| 03:21.30 | tidux | I like it a lot better than the GNOME version |
| 03:21.33 | paxcoder | meh |
| 03:21.40 | tidux | same bluetooth.ko module at its heart |
| 03:21.48 | tidux | but the userspace stuff is different |
| 03:21.53 | tidux | works better with my bluetooth gadgets |
| 03:22.30 | paxcoder | oh one more thing i don't like about xfce |
| 03:22.42 | paxcoder | you can't rearrange the minimized window buttons |
| 03:22.47 | tidux | wut |
| 03:23.04 | paxcoder | if you have like: IRCC, TXTE, TERM |
| 03:23.17 | paxcoder | you can't make it eg. TXTE, TERM, IRCC |
| 03:23.35 | tidux | wait |
| 03:23.38 | paxcoder | you're stuck with FCFS order |
| 03:23.41 | tidux | oh |
| 03:23.52 | paxcoder | (FC) |
| 03:23.54 | tidux | put 'em on different workspaces if the order matters so much |
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| 03:24.04 | paxcoder | haha |
| 03:24.31 | paxcoder | no, it remembers where it was when i bring it back XD |
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| 03:32.14 | acu_ | how can I make a bootable usb flash ---- cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb ? |
| 03:32.26 | mmnicolas | acu_: pretty much |
| 03:33.12 | acu_ | mmnicolas, bescuse I get a gibberish scroll on the screen |
| 03:33.19 | acu_ | something I am doing wrong |
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| 03:33.43 | mmnicolas | acu_: what is this image ? |
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| 03:34.05 | acu_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:36.00 | mmnicolas | is there anything readable in this gibberish you're getting ? |
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| 03:37.26 | mmnicolas | it may not be build with iso-hybrid, try from the squeeze installer |
| 03:37.31 | mmnicolas | *built |
| 03:37.35 | acu_ | mmnicolas, not much, it keeps scrawling |
| 03:38.21 | mmnicolas | or maybe, using dd with bs=512 |
| 03:38.36 | mmnicolas | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512 |
| 03:38.37 | acu_ | I used cat before - it worked |
| 03:38.54 | mmnicolas | with the same usb key ? |
| 03:39.01 | acu_ | this is microSD before I used USB |
| 03:39.08 | acu_ | stick |
| 03:39.20 | acu_ | with other |
| 03:40.02 | acu_ | I can try dd |
| 03:40.15 | stew | it really shouldn't make a different |
| 03:40.15 | acu_ | I will let it finish now - crossfingers |
| 03:40.21 | stew | cat / dd / cp all should work |
| 03:40.31 | stew | if you don't trust it, md5sum the source and target and compare |
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| 03:41.27 | acu_ | this uses max 256 MB- I wonder if I can create other partitions on the microSD (this is a 16 GB) so plenty is left - but I know, this cat will make nothing else be OK |
| 03:42.19 | acu_ | stew dd is more rough though :) |
| 03:42.28 | mmnicolas | 9fcd2bb541f9b6b32f2a17116d606bed debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:42.29 | stew | if you say so |
| 03:42.48 | stew | i'm not too confident that you are going to find out that cat is buggy |
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| 04:25.02 | linduxed | hey guys |
| 04:25.35 | linduxed | was just wondering if there's an easy way to rename a group, or if it's as painful as i imagine it to be? |
| 04:26.34 | sussudio | groupmod -n new_group_name old_group_name |
| 04:26.36 | sussudio | google. it's magic. |
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| 04:30.17 | excalibr | how do you list out all packages that were install from local .deb? |
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| 04:30.58 | sussudio | dpkg -L packagename |
| 04:30.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 04:31.38 | linduxed | sussudio: thx, didn't notice that command |
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| 04:33.45 | excalibr | dpkg -L misread |
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| 04:41.01 | pclov3r | Hows it going |
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| 04:52.47 | jagginess | dpkg -l <packagename> (small l) |
| 04:52.47 | dpkg | ii <packagename> (small l) 2.6-12.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:52.52 | jagginess | mwahaha |
| 04:54.28 | jagginess | (dependencies aer mentioned in the description, see apt-cache show <packagename>) |
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| 05:18.13 | jmspeex | Can anyone help me get sound working on an hdmi output? |
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| 05:22.35 | bubull3 | jmspeex: depends on the problem... AFAIK you might have to install proprietary drivers |
| 05:23.00 | jmspeex | bubull3: My box "sees" the device, everything seems OK... except there's no sound |
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| 05:23.10 | jmspeex | no error message that I could see |
| 05:24.42 | jmspeex | e.g. aplay doesn't produce any error and runs for the duration of the audio file before exiting normally |
| 05:24.44 | acu_ | hey guys- I want to install Debian Wheezy in a NVIDIA Tegra 2 Dual ERM Cortex A9-1Ghz 1 GB DDR2 -http://www.leaderinternationalinc.com/impression/impression_i10a.php ---- what and how exactly should I install - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 05:26.04 | mmnicolas | what do you want to do with it ? |
| 05:26.30 | acu_ | mmnicolas: are you asking me ? To run debian and use it |
| 05:26.42 | sney | the tegra is armv9, right? I would ask in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:28.05 | blackness | When building my custom ISO created from remastersys, is there a package i can install to allow me to install it to harddrive? like i believe ubuntu uses ubiquity |
| 05:28.31 | mmnicolas | acu_: why ? it's a tablet, already running linux, with a fine-tuned UI |
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| 05:29.01 | sney | I would imagine an answer somewhere along the lines of "because I can" |
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| 05:31.21 | acu_ | mmnicolas: because I want unity in OS - servers, desktops and tablets can run a single OS, why otherwise ? Extra neurons and headake, |
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| 05:35.02 | mmnicolas | all with Gnome3 ? |
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| 05:44.06 | acu_ | mmnicolas: Gnome3 is irrelevant for servers, but of course if one wants, could have even the server with gnome, the unity in packages and everything less neurons to spend |
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| 05:45.41 | mmnicolas | I'm sure you'll spend much more neurons figuring how to get debian in here with a workable interface |
| 05:45.48 | mmnicolas | *there |
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| 05:50.12 | Sean-Der | I made a huge mistake and nuked /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so |
| 05:50.39 | Sean-Der | Are there any other copies on the system that I could use with LD_PRELOAD |
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| 06:43.05 | dizzylizzy | is there a way to force installation of a .deb built for i386 on an amd64 system? |
| 06:43.14 | dizzylizzy | --force-architecture doesn't seem to work with dpkg |
| 06:43.26 | dizzylizzy | it's mentioned in the manual but not enumerated or explained |
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| 07:04.05 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: what version of debian? |
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| 07:26.45 | dizzylizzy | somiaj, I am using wheezy |
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| 07:30.00 | engla_ | why not add the i386 arch? |
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| 07:35.29 | dizzylizzy | i like when error messages explain things: " error while loading shared libraries: libgio-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 07:35.36 | dizzylizzy | now I know to install something due to a dependency issue |
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| 07:39.27 | engla_ | dizzylizzy: you should add i386 as an arch with dpkg if you want to use multiarch |
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| 08:44.03 | Walex | dizzylizzy: /wn |
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| 08:46.05 | BenNZ | everytime i boot i get type root password or type control D , so i enter the root password and run fsck , comes back clean , anyone know why i keep getting asked to do this |
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| 09:07.24 | Meatball_py | hello everyone, I am running Debian Wheezy. I use M$ Natural 4000 keyboard and hope Debian could recognize all the keys, especially those on the top, which are web/home, search, mail, etc. |
| 09:07.57 | Meatball_py | I've read a few related threads, but none of them had worked. |
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| 09:08.36 | Meatball_py | Could you give me a hint on solving this problem? |
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| 09:39.43 | BenNZ | everytime i boot i get type root password or type control D , so i enter the root password and run fsck , comes back clean , anyone know why i keep getting asked to do this |
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| 09:58.06 | satwood | there is some way where i can ssh into a machine and then let another person see what commands i type : they attach to that terminal, what is it ? |
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| 10:09.34 | lasers | satwood: screen, tmux |
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| 10:17.31 | hell_razer | hello is any package like stunnel, which can add xforwardheader |
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| 10:21.30 | nkuttler | hell_razer: apt-cache search stunnel |
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| 10:51.49 | komnan | I am trying to install debian with guided encrypted lvm but it takes ages to earse my existing harddrive |
| 10:52.15 | komnan | I am waiting at least 5 hours now and it is not even by 50% yet |
| 10:52.32 | komnan | what should I do? |
| 10:53.13 | lasers | Konomi: Wait? Serves you right for having HUUUUGE hard drive. |
| 10:53.38 | Konomi | lrn2tab complete |
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| 10:54.12 | komnan | lasers: it itsn't that huge, just 500GB |
| 10:55.41 | komnan | I don't have the time to wait >9000 hours |
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| 10:55.58 | komnan | what should I do? |
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| 10:56.46 | nkuttler | komnan: do the math? 5 hrs -> 50%.. x hrs -> 100% |
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| 10:57.52 | komnan | nkuttler: srsly? there is no other way then wating 10hours to earse a a harddrive? |
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| 10:58.34 | komnan | that sucks ;_; |
| 10:59.03 | michas | Hi, I want to create a debian-package without any content only dependencies to other packages, for easy installation. Is there some kind of tutorial how to do so? |
| 10:59.27 | komnan | downloads archlinux iso |
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| 11:08.00 | saru0 | hi can anyone help me out with installing convirt2 on xen? |
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| 11:17.39 | satwood | are the /etc/ conf files same for ubuntu and debian ? |
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| 11:19.19 | Chousuke | no. |
| 11:20.50 | Chousuke | if you move /etc from an ubuntu installation to debian, I guess the system might still boot, but it probably wouldn't work very well. |
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| 11:22.12 | Chousuke | actually, since ubuntu uses upstart for init it might not even boot. |
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| 11:24.56 | wols | Chousuke: sid now has a (sorta) working upstart 1.6 :) |
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| 11:25.39 | Chousuke | Well, you might be able to make things work, but I don't think it's a good idea :P |
| 11:25.42 | wols | you only have to use --force-remove-essential to install it :) |
| 11:26.28 | Chousuke | :P |
| 11:26.42 | Chousuke | I'm using systemd, no need for upstart |
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| 11:27.48 | hell_razer | hello is any package like stunnel, which can add xforwardheader |
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| 11:30.26 | komnan | is urxvt available for debian? |
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| 11:43.15 | sevenfourk | yes |
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| 11:52.55 | jacks_appendix | Hello, is there any way to get around the "insert debian cd" when trying to install certain packages? I don't have access to the disc at the moment.. |
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| 11:53.28 | tremon | remove the cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:53.47 | tremon | (or comment them) |
| 11:53.55 | tremon | then re-run apt-get update |
| 11:55.48 | jacks_appendix | tremon, :O It worked! Lifesaver. Thanks dude! |
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| 12:07.08 | _tmp_ | Over the last few days I've been getting a flood of "Neighbour table overflow" messages. The usual culprit doesn't appear to be the cause though. Anyone have thoughts on what might be triggering this? |
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| 12:08.05 | tremon | what's the usual culprit? |
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| 12:09.26 | _tmp_ | Excessive arp requests. However, the system in question only has a pppoe link with a /32 netmask and there aren't any arp requests going on at all. |
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| 12:11.12 | tremon | what's on top of the pppoe link? |
| 12:11.21 | _tmp_ | "On top?" |
| 12:12.12 | tremon | hmm... yeah that's not clear. What I meant is that a machine with only a /32 netmask doesn't have any network connectivity at all, so how does it reach the rest of the world |
| 12:12.18 | tremon | ? |
| 12:12.45 | tremon | (even point-to-point links usually have a /30 netmask) |
| 12:12.59 | _tmp_ | ppp does point to point between a pair of /32 addresses. |
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| 12:13.38 | _tmp_ | (Or, as ip states it, the local address has a peer.) |
| 12:14.02 | tremon | bah semantics ;) |
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| 12:14.51 | tremon | can you paste the output of ip route show? |
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| 12:16.18 | tremon | also, is this relevant? http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/neighbour-table-overflow-conntrack-settings.25305/#post-118842 |
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| 12:17.13 | _tmp_ | 216.250.189.50 dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src 209.240.90.108 |
| 12:17.14 | _tmp_ | default dev ppp0 scope link |
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| 12:18.52 | _tmp_ | Not sure about the link; it's not an area I've looked into before. |
| 12:19.36 | tremon | well you should be able to query the kernel's arp table (ip show neighbour) and see which addresses are filling the table |
| 12:19.56 | tremon | if the addresses are random public addresses, it's the same issue |
| 12:20.11 | _tmp_ | It's empty. |
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| 12:20.33 | tremon | hmm... and you're still getting table overflows? |
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| 12:20.36 | _tmp_ | Yup. |
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| 12:21.43 | _tmp_ | I've had tcpdump running for about a half-hour watching for arp and it's getting nothing. |
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| 12:22.14 | tremon | is your loopback interface up? (ip link show lo) |
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| 12:22.35 | _tmp_ | It is up. |
| 12:22.59 | Walex | _tmp_: and what does 'arp -a' say at the critical points? |
| 12:23.24 | _tmp_ | 'arp -a' returns nothing. |
| 12:23.42 | tremon | I'm wondering if the kernel uses the same neighbour table for ipv4 and ipv6. what does ip -6 neigh show do? |
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| 12:24.47 | _tmp_ | That also returns nothing. |
| 12:25.44 | Walex | _tmp_: hallucinations then ;-) |
| 12:25.52 | tremon | ok, second attempt: ip route show cache table all |
| 12:26.16 | _tmp_ | Well, yes. But why is the system hallucinating? (^_^) |
| 12:26.18 | tremon | apparently ip neigh show doesn't list the entire cache |
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| 12:27.06 | _tmp_ | Ah! That's just dumped a lot..... |
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| 12:27.49 | tremon | yeah, but it's a list of routing entries, not necessarily neighbours |
| 12:28.15 | tremon | not sure if the kernel uses the same space for both |
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| 12:30.48 | tremon | on my bt machine, that lists almost 10000 entries and I'm not getting table overflows |
| 12:31.00 | woshty | i finally got something working with consolekit. the patch from #615020 actually does seem to do the job :) |
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| 12:31.31 | _tmp_ | I've got 3614 entries. |
| 12:32.24 | tremon | so shouldn't be the cause. I think you may get better help on a networking-related list, but I don't know any |
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| 12:34.31 | _tmp_ | Ah. So it goes. |
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| 12:36.17 | Walex | _tmp_: 3614 entries for either routes or ARP is very high, unless your system is on a truly huge network |
| 12:36.57 | tremon | what are your current values for the neighbour table garbage collection? (head /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh?) |
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| 12:38.23 | _tmp_ | tremon: Defaults: gc_thresh1 = 128; gc_thresh2 = 512; gc_thresh3 = 1024 |
| 12:38.40 | _tmp_ | tremon: And it's been running with these for years. |
| 12:39.17 | tremon | ok that's the default, you can silence the error by raising the values, but there's no reason to do so if we can't find what's causing it |
| 12:39.30 | _tmp_ | Walex: If you mean in terms of LAN, then there nothing. It does have a few services running on it open to the Internet. |
| 12:40.03 | Walex | _tmp_: so it makes no sense, and the guy with 10k entries has a problem too |
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| 12:40.45 | _tmp_ | Walex: Most of the route entries appear to be related to BIND queries. |
| 12:40.58 | tremon | Walex: that'd be me -- I'll wait for the kernel to start yelling at me ;) |
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| 12:41.57 | Walex | tremon: if you have 10k routing table entries that's really mad though |
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| 12:42.41 | Walex | however a <tremon> said that's the routing cache, not ARP. |
| 12:42.52 | tremon | it's not routing table, but routing cache. Not sure how I can even influence that |
| 12:43.39 | tremon | _tmp_: does this help you further? http://www.arcweb.ro/blog/2011/12/13/neighbour-table-overflow-debug-ipv4-and-ipv6/ |
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| 12:43.58 | Walex | if it is ARP stuff the case that was mentioned before was inadvertent ARP proxying |
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| 12:45.17 | _tmp_ | And to make sure it's covered, my arp table is completely empty. |
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| 12:45.57 | Walex | perhaps reduce the ARP cache and route cache time to live? Some systems have ridiculous lifetimes like 1 hour |
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| 12:47.06 | woshty | does anyone know what -sharevts does mean exactly? |
| 12:47.41 | tremon | share virtual terminals |
| 12:47.52 | Walex | http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2011-ipv4-route-cache-linux.html |
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| 12:50.41 | tremon | Walex: thx |
| 12:52.01 | _tmp_ | I haven't messed with the default TTLs. |
| 12:52.26 | tremon | btw, that text also says "[route cache garbage collection] is still needed to avoid exhausting the neighbour cache" |
| 12:52.27 | Walex | _tmp_: the defaults can well be inappropriate to your situation |
| 12:52.41 | Walex | tremon: I hadn't noticed that... |
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| 12:53.02 | tremon | which implies that the routing cache and neighbour cache are linked |
| 12:53.12 | _tmp_ | Huh. |
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| 12:53.49 | noRulez | hello peaple |
| 12:54.33 | noRulez | tem brasileiro ai? |
| 12:54.59 | tremon | !br |
| 12:54.59 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:55.02 | woshty | tremon: that does mean what exactly? i am on a multiseat setup. i just ran into problems, because i set -sharevts on both seat -> ck would not work; then i only set it on seat :1 -> :1 would not work. it turned out, that seat :1 (onboard) actually came up faster apparently, so setting it on seat :0 but not on :1 fixed my issues. |
| 12:55.17 | tremon | woshty: I' |
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| 12:55.55 | tremon | m not sure, you didn't say what you were using it for. apparently it's an X option? |
| 12:56.36 | noRulez | some program to read log of squid? |
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| 12:57.11 | woshty | tremon: yeah, as an X option. |
| 12:57.14 | tremon | woshty: I would assume that it instructs X to not expect to get exclusive access to the tty device, but beyond that I don't know how it works |
| 12:57.48 | tremon | _tmp_: there is also /proc/net/stat/*_cache |
| 12:58.29 | woshty | tremon: thx, but why would it not get exclusive rights on :0 vt7 and :1 vt8 .. i am going to try to skip it altogether now .. |
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| 13:01.03 | tremon | woshty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX says the following: "The -sharevts command-line argument has been shown to be necessary on all seats except the primary. I haven't found a reason why." |
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| 13:01.29 | woshty | tremon: lol .. me neither |
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| 13:02.27 | tremon | on top of that, -sharevts isn't even mentioned in man xserver |
| 13:02.48 | woshty | tremon: and primary is apparently determined on first come first serve basis. |
| 13:03.28 | tremon | hmm, scratch that, it is mentioned in man Xorg, with a very helpful "Share virtual terminals with another X server, if supported by the OS" |
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| 13:04.50 | woshty | tremon: i am really interested to see how they are going to clean up the whole ck mess in wheezy .. but i think this 'primary' issue also my have been the cause of problems i ran into with lightdm earlier |
| 13:05.51 | woshty | s/my/might |
| 13:05.55 | tremon | so far I've always managed to avoid using ck at all. I guess it's a required part of multiseat, so you don't have that luxury :p |
| 13:06.27 | woshty | tremon: actually i just ignored it so far, but i wanted to do mounts and shutdowns now ;) |
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| 13:07.58 | tremon | the archlinux wiki says the same btw, "Note that the "-sharevts" and "-novtswitch" options should be added for all seats except the first one" |
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| 13:09.04 | tremon | no explanation |
| 13:09.43 | woshty | tremon: dont setting it at all looks about the same as setting it for the wrong one ;) |
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| 13:10.20 | woshty | tremon: i am going to make a short wrapper script that just waits 15secs then executes ;) |
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| 13:11.54 | tremon | that would work :) |
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| 13:18.45 | vyadhaka | if I install wheezy on a new system, what happens when wheezy replaces squeeze as stable? what needs to be done to make sure the system stays with wheezy when it's released as stable |
| 13:19.08 | kimbl | vyadhaka: Use "wheezy" instead of "testing". |
| 13:19.30 | vyadhaka | kimbl: you mean in apt.conf? |
| 13:19.42 | kimbl | vyadhaka: In "/etc/apt/sources.list". |
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| 13:19.58 | vyadhaka | kimbl: is that the only change> |
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| 13:20.32 | kimbl | Yes. I assume you have something like "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" in your sources list? |
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| 13:20.47 | kimbl | Just replace "testing" with "wheezy". :-) |
| 13:20.59 | vyadhaka | kimbl: did not realize it was that simple |
| 13:21.11 | kimbl | The wonders of Debian! |
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| 13:21.42 | BackEndCoder | what is testing these days ? |
| 13:21.59 | abrotman | wheezy? |
| 13:22.04 | kimbl | ^ |
| 13:22.09 | BackEndCoder | i thought wheezy was stable |
| 13:22.11 | BackEndCoder | my bad |
| 13:22.23 | vyadhaka | when is wheezy releasing |
| 13:22.40 | wols | !wwir |
| 13:22.56 | saep | "When it's done." |
| 13:23.13 | BackEndCoder | i hope its before xmas :) |
| 13:23.21 | BackEndCoder | that would be an awesome christmas present |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | !wwwr |
| 13:24.14 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 13:24.17 | abrotman | wols: that one? |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: not before xmas |
| 13:24.33 | wols | thank you, yes THAT one |
| 13:24.37 | BackEndCoder | shame :) |
| 13:24.40 | kimbl | The new installer is wonderful. |
| 13:24.46 | kimbl | With its wireless networking wizard. |
| 13:24.56 | wols | kimbl: can it do wpa connections? |
| 13:25.05 | kimbl | Yup. |
| 13:25.11 | abrotman | wols: finally ... |
| 13:25.13 | wols | and can I add intel firmware somehow? |
| 13:25.16 | abrotman | it had wifi support before ... |
| 13:25.17 | kimbl | Tested the non-free netinst iso with WPA2-PSK AES. |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | wols: yes .. you can. There are also the firmware netinsts |
| 13:25.30 | wols | awesome |
| 13:25.40 | BackEndCoder | i just got a usb sound card, is there a program for binding the output of 2 soundcards together ? |
| 13:25.49 | wols | the wifi support before wheezy was a disgrace |
| 13:25.50 | vyadhaka | those of you using wheezy on a production machine, do you recommend I install wheezy on a prod system |
| 13:26.05 | wols | vyadhaka: depends what you define as a production system. |
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| 13:28.34 | vyadhaka | wols: I never ran a OS that was not stable, so I have no clue what to expect, I guess I am expecting no major crashes/bugs/or data corruption |
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| 13:29.03 | kimbl | vyadhaka: I ran sid as my main OS on my laptop for a year or so. |
| 13:29.35 | kimbl | The only issues I ever enountered were businesscard sid installations breaking half-way. If you got it installed fine (installing then upgrading testing is best), I've never had any issues. |
| 13:29.56 | kimbl | I can't say if testing for a server is a good idea, but for a desktop, it definitely is. |
| 13:30.48 | vyadhaka | kimbl: why would you say that, because you dont have any important data on your desktop |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | vyadhaka: if this were an internet-facing system, you would not run wheezy |
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| 13:37.12 | vyadhaka1 | abrotman: I am not talking about up-time critical systems, rather personal PCs. few years ago I did not mind wasting time fixing stuff but not anymore, once I install a system, I expect not to upgrade until the next stable release is out or when I get new hardware. Loved squeeze stability. I got a new PC and was considering my options |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | vyadhaka1: I'm just saying if you need security updates, don't use wheezy |
| 13:38.10 | tremon | I tend to run testing only on my day-to-day desktop, stable anywhere else |
| 13:38.43 | abrotman | stable where it matters :) |
| 13:38.48 | tremon | although I have upgraded my (internal) mailserver to testing because of dspam |
| 13:39.32 | _tmp_ | is putting testing on one box to get lirc working.... |
| 13:39.58 | tremon | if I were to setup a new machine right now, I would probably go with wheezy anyway |
| 13:40.13 | tremon | (except for internet-facing machines of course) |
| 13:40.32 | vyadhaka1 | tremon: thats what I was thinking |
| 13:40.38 | tremon | no sense in building it now, then having to upgrade it within a year |
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| 13:41.36 | fgro | where do i change the default umask? |
| 13:42.00 | fgro | /etc/profile reads # The default umask is now handled by pam_umask |
| 13:44.03 | tremon | man pam_umask |
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| 13:46.08 | vyadhaka1 | tremon: exactly, the other day I had to fix a system at work and it was a simple issue but had to go through several iterations to get it right, more than 5 hrs wasted when I had so much other stuff to finish. cannot afford to waste time fixing silly things. I guess I will go with mint LTS for the time being, heard good things, its been out a while, most of the bugs would have been fixed. Last time I tried Mint with LUKS it failed if I changed the default con |
| 13:46.24 | fgro | tremon: yep. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10220531/how-to-set-system-wide-umask |
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| 13:47.26 | vyadhaka1 | most of you moved to btrfs with wheezy or still with ext4 |
| 13:47.43 | lupine | snuggles ext3 |
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| 13:48.40 | lupine | btrfs has problems with virtualisation loads, ext4 still has bugs |
| 13:48.56 | tremon | prefers ext4 on lvm |
| 13:49.09 | kimbl | ext4, LVM, dm-crypt/LUKS. |
| 13:49.19 | vyadhaka1 | kimbl: same here |
| 13:49.28 | kimbl | On this box I also have XFS for /home. |
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| 13:50.03 | tremon | I do use btrfs on occasion though, I use an ssd in my database server, and postgres' xlog is on an btrfs partition on that disk |
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| 13:51.58 | vyadhaka1 | I guess if using btrfs, it's better to compile the new kernel releases when ever they are released. |
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| 13:53.10 | tremon | I wouldn't use btrfs with squeeze's default kernel, but 3.2 is good enough for me |
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| 13:54.34 | rantos | I installed alsa on debian and I even get some output on cat /proc/asound/cards but when I try to open alsamixer I get the error "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" |
| 13:54.39 | rantos | how can I fix this? |
| 13:54.48 | vyadhaka1 | tremon: I read somewhere recently that the new kernel release has a lot of fixes/updates for btrfs, I actually thought about going down the path of going with the new kernel releases but all the extra work just put me off |
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| 13:55.16 | lupine | ext4 has Issues with sparse files |
| 13:55.23 | lupine | at least, in stable |
| 13:56.38 | homes | vyadhaka1: as in ~3.2 new? |
| 13:57.08 | homes | oh wow, i'm out f touch |
| 13:57.20 | BackEndCoder | yo, i am trying to change my default card to use both at the same time, but in alsa-base.conf they all say -2 :( |
| 13:57.24 | homes | 3.6 is stableeh |
| 13:57.34 | BackEndCoder | is there a gui to set the defaults ? |
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| 13:57.55 | tremon | vyadhaka1: from my point of view, recent btrfs developments have been breadth-wise. The base filesystem is stable, but they're working on expanding the feature set |
| 13:57.59 | vyadhaka1 | lupine: Isn't ext4 like default in most of the OSs |
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| 13:59.03 | vyadhaka1 | homes: tremon |
| 13:59.10 | vyadhaka1 | homes: tremon: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges |
| 13:59.32 | lupine | vyadhaka1, no |
| 13:59.49 | tremon | vyadhaka1: what's your point? |
| 14:00.13 | lupine | ext4 has lots of good features. I am actually sad that I can't use it without compiling myself a bleeding-edge kernel |
| 14:00.38 | _br_ | Anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong here in the ejabberd.cfg http://pastie.org/5462586 ? I'm trying to get muc's to work, but get only 503's "service unavailable" |
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| 14:03.28 | woshty | lupine: hmm? |
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| 14:03.40 | lupine | ? |
| 14:04.08 | ceil | lupine: why would you need a bleeding-edge kernel for ext4? |
| 14:04.12 | ceil | Linux |
| 14:04.14 | ceil | lol |
| 14:04.16 | ceil | Linux rowan 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.32-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:04.18 | woshty | lupine: why cant you use ext4? |
| 14:04.23 | ceil | ^=- not bleeding-edge is it? |
| 14:04.26 | lupine | sparse file fiemap bugs |
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| 14:04.36 | ceil | blinks |
| 14:04.38 | diverdude | Hello, which one of these is the correct live image? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 14:05.29 | woshty | lupine: is that the one they havent properly located yet? trunk not recent enough? |
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| 14:06.04 | tremon | lupine: got a bug link? |
| 14:06.06 | woshty | lupine: or am i not uptodate on the issue+ |
| 14:06.19 | lupine | it's present in squeeze, no idea about later kernels |
| 14:06.31 | tremon | squeeze or -backports? |
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| 14:07.03 | lupine | http://lwn.net/Articles/429349/ |
| 14:07.05 | lupine | squeeze |
| 14:07.10 | tremon | thx |
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| 14:07.39 | lupine | no doubt that one's fixed in backports, but it lowers my confidence that other things won't appear |
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| 14:08.30 | tjiggi_fo | diverdude, you can choose which desktop you want. download one that ends in .iso |
| 14:09.36 | lupine | (and it cost me more than no time at work) |
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| 14:10.19 | diverdude | tjiggi_fo, but they are all above 700 MB...how can it then be a live CD? |
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| 14:11.00 | woodgrain | anyone know why I would want to list a 'volatile' repository? |
| 14:11.16 | tremon | woodgrain: because you're running lenny? |
| 14:11.41 | woodgrain | squeeze. |
| 14:11.43 | tremon | my squeeze machines run ext3 on / but ext4 on /var. iirc ext4 places data and metadata closer together, which means less seeking on write-many locations |
| 14:12.38 | tremon | woodgrain: debian-volatile was a repository with updates that aren't strictly security fixes but you still might need to have |
| 14:13.06 | tremon | examples are spam rbl packages, antivirus engines |
| 14:13.06 | woodgrain | tremon, it breaks my synaptic 'reload package information'. |
| 14:13.13 | woodgrain | tremon, is it okay to leave it out? |
| 14:13.24 | tremon | in squeeze, it has been replaced with squeeze-updates |
| 14:13.38 | tjiggi_fo | diverdude, yes, times change and names stay the same. we use live DVDs now ;) |
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| 14:13.53 | diverdude | tjiggi_fo, hmm |
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| 14:15.14 | tremon | woodgrain: so if you're running squeeze or newer, remove the volatile lines because they are not provided anymore. If you need the functionality, replace the lines with debian-updates instead |
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| 14:16.53 | diverdude | tjiggi_fo, debian-live-6.0.5-amd64-standard.iso is that a console only or what since its only 233MB? |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | diverdude: there's a #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:19.54 | nikolaj_basher | I can't get command scp to work I need to copy From servA to serv B and the file is named /ispcp.tar.gz on serverA which I'm running the scp command from |
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| 14:20.56 | luckysh0t | I disabled my keyboard via some Fx keyboard shortcut and now don't know how to reenable. think it's an x11 thing as other ttys working ok |
| 14:21.03 | luckysh0t | any idea how to reenable? |
| 14:21.04 | petemc | nikolaj_basher: scp -v /ispcp.tar.gz user@servB:. |
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| 14:23.05 | nikolaj_basher | petemc, thanks |
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| 14:25.31 | diverdude | tjiggi_fo, debian-live-6.0.5-amd64-standard.iso is that a console only or what since its only 233MB? |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | diverdude: have you read any of the Live docs? |
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| 14:26.54 | tarwe | what I the path to the debian wheezy gnome 3 wallpaper? |
| 14:26.59 | tarwe | s/I/is/g |
| 14:29.42 | tarwe | also: what happens to my debian testing installation when debian wheezy is released as debian 7.0 do I have to install the next debian testing then or will my current testing installtion automatically update to the new debian testing? |
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| 14:30.50 | nkuttler | tarwe: depends on what's in your sources.list, wheezy or testing |
| 14:30.58 | Devastator | tarwe if you have "testing" in your sources.list lines, then it will be updated automatically |
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| 14:31.48 | tarwe | nkuttler, Devastator: so basicly I just need to run sed s/wheezy/testing/g -i "/etc/apt/sources.list"? |
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| 14:32.36 | nkuttler | tarwe: basically, yes |
| 14:32.58 | tremon | tarwe: also check if you have a Default-Release setting in /etc/apt.conf.d |
| 14:33.03 | antivirys | I want to fix my auto graph and no other parameters in the config program nvidia drivers work without a problem but I want higher resolution |
| 14:33.05 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to mount my Nexus 7 as non root with mtpfs which uses fuse but I can only do that if I am root, but fuse is meant to be used in userspace isn't it ? |
| 14:33.05 | antivirys | please help |
| 14:33.36 | tarwe | tremon: I don't have such a file |
| 14:33.42 | antivirys | ?? |
| 14:33.58 | lupine | lord_rob, userspace can run as root |
| 14:34.00 | antivirys | help me i wanna change resolution |
| 14:34.05 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 14:34.05 | lord_rob | antivirys: good way to get quick help :) |
| 14:34.06 | tarwe | tremon: ah, you mean /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, don't you? |
| 14:34.13 | lupine | anyway, add your user toi the fuse group |
| 14:34.14 | tarwe | ups |
| 14:34.16 | tremon | tarwe: yeah that one :) |
| 14:34.20 | antivirys | but not specified in the program tried toxorg |
| 14:34.30 | abrotman | antivirys: which version of Linux is this? |
| 14:34.56 | antivirys | root@debian:/home/antivirys# uname -a |
| 14:34.56 | antivirys | Linux debian 3.2.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 03:50:34 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:34.56 | antivirys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:35.17 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date |
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| 14:36.13 | _tmp_ | antivirys: "NVIDIA X Server Settings" doesn't work? |
| 14:36.36 | antivirys | everything works |
| 14:36.36 | antivirys | :) |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell antivirys about nvidia |
| 14:37.00 | antivirys | off |
| 14:37.21 | antivirys | drivers works! |
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| 14:38.04 | antivirys | But when flying compiz :D chart my little resolution |
| 14:38.10 | antivirys | :@ :@ |
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| 14:38.37 | abrotman | antivirys: what's your native language? |
| 14:38.42 | [bma] | Hi - wondering if anyone could tell me what stupid thing I'm doing wrong here: I'm trying to build netatalk (since I need to build it with SSL support), but it's moaning about there not being an original tar in the parent directory, yet there clearly is! Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/G0HaNF27 |
| 14:39.00 | antivirys | I'm bulgaria :) |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | do you speak a language better than english that isn't bulgarian? |
| 14:39.19 | antivirys | my tongue a bit lame |
| 14:39.27 | abrotman | german perhaps? |
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| 14:40.04 | _tmp_ | antivirys: So what happens when you try to change resolution in "NVIDIA X Server Settings"? |
| 14:40.39 | antivirys | _tmp_: |
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| 14:40.42 | antivirys | i show pictures |
| 14:40.43 | antivirys | :) |
| 14:40.59 | lord_rob | I've added my user to fuse group, no change lupine |
| 14:41.03 | Devastator | antivirys did you see abrotman question? |
| 14:41.07 | woshty | tremon: my delay idea failed |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | guessing he doesn't care |
| 14:41.26 | _tmp_ | antivirys: I'm not set up for pictures right now. |
| 14:41.51 | lupine | don't forget to ensure the change is reflected in the session |
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| 14:42.37 | lupine | ( and of course, /dev/fuse will need to be group fuse and rwx group ) |
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| 14:42.50 | lupine | well, maybe not x |
| 14:43.01 | lupine | no, just rw |
| 14:43.04 | tremon | woshty: are the different seats started with the same init script? otherwise you could try adding a dependency |
| 14:43.12 | lord_rob | well I added my user quit my xterm and restarted it |
| 14:43.26 | lupine | does fuse show up in "groups" ? |
| 14:43.35 | lord_rob | I'll try rebooting my system |
| 14:43.40 | antivirys | ..... |
| 14:43.41 | lupine | ^ |
| 14:43.42 | antivirys | :@ |
| 14:43.47 | lupine | reboots are for n00bs :p |
| 14:43.55 | lord_rob | I know |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:43.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:44.13 | woshty | tremon: ah, what do you mean exactly? i just added a script to the seat i want to be delayed, but it seems to wait for that to start .. |
| 14:44.23 | lord_rob | sometimes it's easier to reboot than to be root :) |
| 14:45.03 | antivirys | in sesion nvidia x server setings |
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| 14:45.12 | tremon | woshty: I meant adding a required-start: entry to the lsb header of the script that starts the secondary seats |
| 14:45.28 | antivirys | resolution : auto 640x480 320x240 |
| 14:45.29 | antivirys | ... |
| 14:45.40 | woshty | tremon: oh, they just get spawned by xdm |
| 14:45.54 | tremon | yeah, I was afraid you'd say that :) |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | someone hasn't installed the nvidia drivers correctly |
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| 14:46.34 | woshty | tremon: and i did delay 5 X options instead of just X options .. that does not seem to work as i expected |
| 14:46.41 | antivirys | abrotoman it was working before rebootna |
| 14:46.42 | antivirys | .. |
| 14:46.57 | antivirys | ;) |
| 14:46.59 | lord_rob | lupine: it works, I tried in tty1. |
| 14:47.10 | lord_rob | thanks |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | i'm not sure why you're winking at me .. it's sitll not installed correctly |
| 14:47.49 | antivirys | and now works however resolution low |
| 14:47.58 | lupine | :) |
| 14:48.11 | tremon | woshty: it's not exactly what they do, but maybe #ltsp can help you further? |
| 14:48.14 | antivirys | hahahahahahahah |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | oh well, i guess nvidia is crap, you sohuld have gotten hardware from a company that cares |
| 14:48.51 | Devastator | or switch to windows heh |
| 14:48.57 | _tmp_ | antivirys: What does the X Server Information section show for NVIDIA Driver Version? |
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| 14:49.06 | antivirys | I thought it would help but you do not understand a lot |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | right .. that's the problem .. |
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| 14:49.43 | invariant | How do I tell that a certain dependency has already been provided in a different way? |
| 14:49.51 | abrotman | !tell invariant about equivs |
| 14:50.02 | antivirys | ersion 304.64 |
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| 14:52.40 | Moviuro | Hi all! Has any of you got a Samsung 5 Series Ultrabook (14" model)? I'm running Archlinux right now on it but tried many LiveCDs to tackle the battery life time issue as well as temperature's, but did'nt install it. If someone got this PC with Debian on it without these troubles, I'd gladly listen to him/her :) |
| 14:53.05 | antivirys | I want to change the resolution of highly experienced in xorg no, it is not in session nvidia x server settings |
| 14:53.09 | antivirys | :) |
| 14:53.24 | antivirys | Modes "1280x720_70.00" |
| 14:53.24 | antivirys | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.25 | antivirys | EndSection |
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| 14:53.48 | invariant | Moviuro, if you want to run Linux on a laptop, you should do some research before buying it. While it will work for some value of work, it will not always make you happy. |
| 14:54.05 | antivirys | It is not in session nvidia x server settings |
| 14:54.32 | Moviuro | invariant: well, yeah but I didn't find much articles about it when I bought it :/ and now, well, it's quite a pain... :( |
| 14:54.36 | invariant | Moviuro, There is such a thing called platform-support, which you can see in the Linux kernel. Without it, you should not buy it. |
| 14:55.18 | invariant | Moviuro, how much battery do you get out of it? |
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| 14:55.46 | Moviuro | invariant: < 2hours instead of ~6 with the evil W (= Windows) |
| 14:55.51 | antivirys | http://213.231.166.25/snapshot13.png |
| 14:56.00 | invariant | Moviuro, that doesn't surprise me. |
| 14:56.06 | antivirys | i show nvidia x server settings in working abramart |
| 14:56.08 | antivirys | abrotman: |
| 14:56.09 | antivirys | !!! |
| 14:56.10 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:56.11 | antivirys | idiot |
| 14:56.15 | invariant | Moviuro, I would run evil Windows on it, with Linux in a VM. |
| 14:56.22 | Devastator | I see a +q |
| 14:56.23 | Moviuro | although cpu_freq is conservative, radeon blacklisted.... |
| 14:56.40 | _tmp_ | antivirys: The Modes line you provided isn't valid for most, if not all, 1280 by 720 displays. |
| 14:56.59 | Moviuro | invariant: I thought of it... still I don't like it at all :( |
| 14:57.05 | invariant | Moviuro, it does not matter which distro you choose in these matters. |
| 14:57.17 | Moviuro | invariant: is the platform-support somewhere on the kernel.org ? |
| 14:57.22 | _tmp_ | antivirys: For that form factor, most of the displays have a refresh that is effectively 60, or isn't applicable. |
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| 14:57.31 | invariant | Moviuro, you download the linux kernel, and you run make menuconfig |
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| 14:58.04 | invariant | Moviuro, so, on kernel.org, you find the Linux source code, download it and run make menuconfig |
| 14:58.33 | _tmp_ | antivirys: Have you tried: Modes "1280x720" |
| 14:58.50 | invariant | Moviuro, Linux laptops generally lag behind the state of the art, but people should just stop buying any device which doesn't meet their market demand. |
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| 14:59.19 | Moviuro | invariant: I don't understand the last part of your sentence |
| 14:59.19 | invariant | Moviuro, Linux laptops are a billion dollar industry, so there is enough space for companies to deliver them. |
| 14:59.37 | antivirys | How do you hang that nothing I touched just had 25 days uptime and accidentally clicked izkluchvane button on the keyboard and now I'm using less rezulutsiya and I want to get her back old |
| 14:59.49 | invariant | Moviuro, Windows platform support is added at release time. Linux support is sometimes added later. |
| 15:00.04 | _tmp_ | antivirys: Also, are you getting any valid EDID output from the monitor? |
| 15:00.29 | antivirys | yep |
| 15:00.40 | invariant | It would be nice if some kind of abstract API for laptops would be defined such that Linux would get free platform support. |
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| 15:02.45 | antivirys | I just want to ask a great rezulutsiya directly with this freak. |
| 15:04.31 | _tmp_ | antivirys: It would have helped to know that this wasn't for a new install. |
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| 15:05.15 | antivirys | : It would have helped to know that this wasn't for a new install. |
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| 15:05.18 | antivirys | lmao |
| 15:05.18 | antivirys | xD |
| 15:05.31 | antivirys | is what I'd do but first I decided to ask you savvy |
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| 15:06.16 | nikolaj_basher | Is it posible to reconfig installed package somthing went wrong when I installed my mysql server |
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| 15:07.45 | nkuttler | nikolaj_basher: sure, edit the config file, or purge/reinstall |
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| 15:10.28 | nikolaj_basher | nkuttler, no I don't trickt the setup script when reinstalling |
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| 15:12.47 | _tmp_ | wonders if antivirys was intentionally hostile or just that clueless. Either way, that one's beyond help. |
| 15:13.15 | nkuttler | nikolaj_basher: what? |
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| 15:14.38 | nikolaj_basher | nkuttler, when i run apt-get purge mysql-server and the reinstall it. it won't come up with the setup front where I set the administrator password for det mysql |
| 15:15.57 | nkuttler | nikolaj_basher: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 15:17.03 | cydork | !tell nikolaj_basher -about confmiss |
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| 15:17.20 | nkuttler | cydork: nah, he forgot is mysql password |
| 15:17.50 | cydork | nkuttler: aah not enough coffee .. |
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| 15:20.19 | cydork | !tell nkuttler -about forgot mysql root password |
| 15:20.32 | cydork | hopes that factoid still works.. |
| 15:21.07 | cydork | !tell nikolaj_basher -about forgot mysql root password |
| 15:22.20 | nikolaj_basher | cydork, factoid does show me anything :-( |
| 15:22.45 | nkuttler | cydork: i know how to reset a mysql password |
| 15:22.47 | cydork | !forgot mysql root password |
| 15:22.47 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
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| 15:23.21 | cydork | nkuttler: yeah sorry about that.. i blame auto complete .. |
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| 15:23.27 | nkuttler | np |
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| 15:33.35 | nikolaj_basher | cydork, I didn't forgot anything the installation didn't come up with the config window where to insert the feature root passwd |
| 15:34.32 | nikolaj_basher | nkuttler, and neither would it reset the passwd |
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| 15:38.49 | waynr | i am thinking about upgrading my PC from squeeze to wheezy, anyone have any advice for potentail problems i should watch out for? |
| 15:40.07 | nikolaj_basher | nkuttler, now it worked thanks |
| 15:40.17 | nvz | you could watch out for everything breaking before your eyes... but it wont change anything |
| 15:40.52 | tremon | I'd tell you to watch out for gnome3 |
| 15:41.03 | tremon | hides in a corner |
| 15:41.24 | mtn | tremon: it will find you there, too! |
| 15:41.28 | nvz | uses the force to bend tremon's room into a circle |
| 15:41.43 | tremon | nooo! |
| 15:42.36 | waynr | i use xmonad anyway so that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 15:42.53 | nvz | makes me snicker every time I hear xmonad |
| 15:43.10 | waynr | why so? |
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| 15:43.21 | nvz | idk.. sounds funny.. mo nad |
| 15:43.42 | mtn | nvz: better than less nad |
| 15:43.47 | nvz | also doesn't help it doesnt register in my brain what it is when I hear it |
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| 15:44.08 | waynr | it is a window manager |
| 15:44.11 | tremon | on a more serious note, wheezy has been surprisingly stable for me, except for the occasional libc6 snafu |
| 15:44.38 | waynr | cool, i am more worried about the dist upgrade from squeeze than anything |
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| 15:45.03 | _tmp_ | vX8=ZQp?al4rASsk-3* |
| 15:45.09 | nvz | I like how military terminology worked its way into the technology field over they years |
| 15:45.31 | tremon | _tmp_: you'll have to revoke your private keys now |
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| 15:45.39 | waynr | i use wheezy with never a problem on my laptop |
| 15:45.46 | dcherniv | nvz, yea years after we dropped it |
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| 15:46.02 | tremon | well, I just thought it sounded more polite than 'fuckup' |
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| 15:46.12 | _tmp_ | tremon: Meh. Had my fingers on the wrong keys. |
| 15:46.21 | woshty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.32 | nvz | well fubar and snafu are both naval terms as I recall |
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| 15:48.55 | dcherniv | nvz, it was used in the army too awhile back |
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| 15:52.57 | _tmp_ | tremon: Well, there is that. |
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| 15:58.54 | ukukuk | do anybody know a easy firewall for debian server? |
| 15:58.56 | Kricu | how can i see a list of installed drivers and devices. I want to see if my videocard is installed corectly. I'm using Squeeze and Ati radeon HD video card. |
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| 16:00.25 | dcherniv | Kricu, run glxinfo | more and see if your rendered and opengl are provided by ATI |
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| 16:00.49 | epsilon | ukukuk: man iptables |
| 16:01.00 | Kricu | dcherniv : Error: unable to open display |
| 16:01.10 | epsilon | or fast lazy and secure: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 16:01.17 | dcherniv | Kricu, are you running it as root? |
| 16:01.29 | ukukuk | epsilon ok thanks.. I thought there is an easier way to configure without iptables but yeah then I go to have a look at it :) |
| 16:01.42 | Kricu | yes, i'm root and SSH. |
| 16:01.46 | epsilon | iptables is only tool actaully, everything else if GUI managing it |
| 16:01.54 | dcherniv | ukukuk, well there's ufw |
| 16:01.59 | dcherniv | Kricu, is X server running on the machine? |
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| 16:02.11 | dcherniv | Kricu, try DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo | more |
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| 16:02.22 | Kricu | yes, is running but i'm not near the machine. |
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| 16:02.50 | Kricu | is running XBMC to play some videos on a screen. I'm controlling from home. |
| 16:02.50 | ukukuk | dcherniv thanks ;) |
| 16:02.59 | dcherniv | Kricu, try the above |
| 16:03.32 | lrussell | Hi guys, I'm having some problems setting up a wifi to ethernet bridge. My interfaces are: wlan1 and eth0, I'm trying to link those two together, but when doing so it kills the internet. Help? |
| 16:04.54 | lrussell | I did the following commands in this order: brctl addbr br0, brctl addif br0 wlan1, brctl addif br0 eth0, ip link set br0 up |
| 16:05.12 | lrussell | at it kills the wifi connection |
| 16:05.24 | lrussell | thus, the bridged computer can't connect |
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| 16:11.30 | Onixs | lrussell i just used wpa supplicant |
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| 16:17.35 | lrussell | Onixs: what??? |
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| 16:19.50 | Onixs | disregard. i misunderstood it |
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| 16:26.52 | JohnZorn | Anyone have any issues with virtualbox crashing? |
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| 16:31.18 | AFernandez_ | hello i come i n peace |
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| 16:31.34 | AFernandez_ | how do i load my .profile in my shell please? |
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| 16:31.57 | Jef91 | Does anyone know of a GUI tool that will let me tell my system to output audio over my bluetooth headset I have paired? |
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| 16:32.06 | nikolaj_basher | How can I use cp -p and add overwrite destination folder |
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| 16:34.11 | tremon | Jef91: depends on which audio system you're using. pulseaudio used to have pavucontrol for that, not sure if it still exists |
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| 16:36.07 | Jef91 | using alsa Tree_Hugger |
| 16:36.13 | Jef91 | using alsa tremon * |
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| 16:38.08 | Iota | Hi Debianers o/ Hope you're all having a good weekend. |
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| 16:40.15 | apm1 | how do i remove one utility from a debian xfce-goodies metapackage which was installed by default ,while keeping all other utilities installed by the metapackage intact |
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| 16:40.58 | apm1 | actually i want to remove the 'sensors viewer ' plugin from my system but i can't figure out how |
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| 16:41.15 | apm1 | i have already removed lm-sensors |
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| 16:42.24 | wols | apm1: you simply uninstall the package. the meta package will be uninstalled as well, but not all the other programs which were installed by the metapackage |
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| 16:43.41 | apm1 | wols, sensor viewer has no seprate package in wheezy repos :( |
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| 16:44.08 | apm1 | it is only avalible as a part of the xfce-goodies meta package |
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| 16:44.30 | wols | why do you want to actually remove it? why just not use it? |
| 16:44.33 | wols | can't take much diskspace |
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| 16:44.49 | apm1 | wols, i found it |
| 16:44.58 | apm1 | it has a diff name as a package |
| 16:45.25 | apm1 | oh its a plugin 'xfce-sensors-plugin' |
| 16:45.38 | apm1 | wols, thanks , that solved it :) |
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| 16:48.09 | AFernandez_ | how do i add a path to my profile? |
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| 16:51.21 | jmse1 | hello, I want to install debian on a very poor hardware machine (512 M RAM, 8GB). So, what do you suggest as configuration :) ? |
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| 16:52.36 | wols | jmse1: don't use gnome or kde but anything like xfce4 or below would work fine |
| 16:52.59 | epsilon | if you just install basics without X, it's not more that 64M RAM / few hundred MB Disk |
| 16:53.16 | wols | AFernandez_: edit your ~/.bash_profile |
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| 16:53.40 | apm1 | jmse1, this question is much sutible for #debian-offtopic , anyway i suggest openbox |
| 16:54.07 | jmse1 | humm I see :) |
| 16:54.14 | apm1 | openbox+squeeze = 90mb on idle |
| 16:54.17 | AFernandez_ | wols: i dont have that file |
| 16:54.30 | wols | AFernandez_: why would it be offtopic? |
| 16:54.57 | wols | AFernandez_: grep PATH ~/.* and you should see where your PATH is set |
| 16:55.05 | AFernandez_ | ok thanks |
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| 16:55.46 | wols | AFernandez_: wht debian version is this? dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 16:56.17 | AFernandez_ | ii libc6:i386 2.13-37 i386 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 16:57.04 | wols | strange. so in which file did you find a PATH statement? |
| 16:57.32 | AFernandez_ | home/AFernandez/.profile: PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH:/usr/sbin" |
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| 16:57.58 | AFernandez_ | the usr/sbin is there already but when i do echo $PATH |
| 16:58.03 | AFernandez_ | it doesnt show |
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| 16:59.31 | aristarchus | is there an amd64 package available for libdvdcss? |
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| 16:59.51 | wols | aristarchus: dmm should have one. /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 17:00.42 | AFernandez_ | wols: the .profile doesnt load when i open the shell |
| 17:00.51 | AFernandez_ | is there a commando load the .profile |
| 17:00.52 | AFernandez_ | ? |
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| 17:01.43 | nkuttler | AFernandez_: help source |
| 17:01.43 | wols | AFernandez_: .profile is only read when bash is a login shell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_shell#Configuration_files_for_shells |
| 17:01.52 | nkuttler | yes, and that |
| 17:02.01 | AFernandez_ | thanks |
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| 17:07.56 | aristarchus | wols: it works thanks |
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| 17:14.18 | mooglenorph | Ugh so I've been looking around in the repos for thios |
| 17:14.31 | mooglenorph | BUt I can't find it. Is there a spreadsheet application that is not gnumeric? |
| 17:14.51 | mooglenorph | Preferebly something lightweight and fast. |
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| 17:16.17 | wols | mooglenorph: calligrasheets maybe |
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| 17:22.11 | Jef91 | So I ran a debootstrap command on a system via SSH - but then my connection dropped out. I was able to reconnect to the system - and I see the command is still running. Is there any way to reconnect to this command to have it displayed on my terminal again? |
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| 17:27.59 | mooglenorph | wols: is that on stable? Doesn't seem to be :-( |
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| 17:29.20 | wols | ,versions calligra |
| 17:29.24 | judd | Package: calligra on i386 -- wheezy: 1:2.4.3-2; sid: 1:2.4.3-3 |
| 17:29.26 | wols | ,versions calligrasheets |
| 17:29.28 | judd | Package: calligrasheets on i386 -- wheezy: 1:2.4.3-2; sid: 1:2.4.3-3 |
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| 17:33.44 | mooglenorph | wols: darn. oh well I managed to get my stupid script working anyway. I'll put that in my notes and try it when I upgrade to wheezy, thanks. |
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| 17:38.09 | damacus | mooglenorph: i use 'sc' in the CLI now and then |
| 17:38.30 | damacus | it can be cumbersome to use, but it's fairly useful and better than just a flat text file for some uses |
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| 17:38.39 | damacus | there's a linux journal article that has a good primer for it |
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| 17:45.28 | Walex | damacus: 'sc' the curses-based spreadsheet? If so, congrats on your good taste, it is a work of art. |
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| 17:48.19 | mooglenorph | damacus: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
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| 17:49.19 | noRulezbr | how to choose the default directory for all the user proftpd? |
| 17:49.39 | zykotick9 | noRulezbr: if i remember, defaultroot |
| 17:50.08 | noRulezbr | hm okey |
| 17:52.56 | AFernandez_ | i have tcpdump in /usr/sbin i have changed the permissions to it to chmod 4775 i created a ln -s /usr/sbin/tcpdump /home tcptest but when i try to do "tcptest" doesnt work any help how can i run this link thank you |
| 17:53.17 | AFernandez_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.22 | ralu | link is file |
| 17:57.29 | ralu | cat tcptest |
| 17:57.45 | ralu | or hexdump tcptest | more |
| 17:57.49 | AFernandez_ | oh i can not run application thru a link? |
| 17:58.01 | ralu | tcpdump is probably file |
| 17:58.05 | AFernandez_ | no |
| 17:58.11 | AFernandez_ | is program |
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| 17:58.41 | ralu | oh you want everybody to run this |
| 17:58.48 | AFernandez_ | yes |
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| 18:01.22 | ralu | what about using sudo? |
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| 18:01.45 | ralu | you can define programs that can be executed |
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| 18:05.26 | AFernandez_ | well i was just testing the ln command |
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| 18:08.12 | damacus | Walex: thanks =) |
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| 18:27.25 | AFernandez | do i have to reboot the system after i made a change in the /etc/profile so changes kicked in? |
| 18:27.56 | xjug | should just be able to relog, right? |
| 18:28.18 | AFernandez | hmmm |
| 18:28.26 | epsilon | AFernandez: did you try log off and log on again |
| 18:28.35 | AFernandez | from shell? |
| 18:28.35 | epsilon | [tm] |
| 18:28.46 | AFernandez | lik exit |
| 18:28.47 | babilen_ | AFernandez: And changes for your user *only* should much rather be done in ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile (whatever applicable) btw :) |
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| 18:28.54 | AFernandez | and then open the shell again? |
| 18:28.56 | xjug | you have to log your session out and in I think |
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| 18:31.22 | r3m | source ~/.bash_profile |
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| 18:41.16 | AFernandez | Thank you |
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| 18:48.32 | petn-randall | How's the most effective way to wipe HDD of a root server? Caveat is I can't boot a live medium, only stock debian tools. |
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| 18:49.16 | Walex | petn-randall: 'wipe' with 4 passes and 'hdparm' security erase sequence |
| 18:49.28 | Walex | petn-randall: but there are many subtle issues. |
| 18:50.00 | petn-randall | I'm thinking of busybox + dropbear + dd, but how to include a staticly compiled version of dd? |
| 18:50.06 | babilen | (probably has to be either/or) |
| 18:52.04 | petn-randall | Walex: I'm not worried about someone reading data out with a MFM, I'm just worried the techies in my colo won't properly wipe the HDDs when handing them to new customers ... |
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| 19:21.01 | Walex | meLon: I am not sure what you are asking makes a lot of sense, but then X resources are a forgotten legend |
| 19:21.38 | Walex | meLon: are you for example aware of XFILESEARCHPATH? |
| 19:22.11 | Walex | meLon: and of the difference between in-server resources and file resources? |
| 19:22.18 | lelu | hey guys and girls |
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| 19:22.27 | lelu | is there a nice simple command line tool for managing iptables? |
| 19:22.40 | MrFrood | meLon: you need to add entries for each type of term in your Xdefaults - I have entries for xterm uxterm urxvt and x-terminal-emulator in mine |
| 19:22.40 | Walex | is brought back to his misspent youth by seeing mention of X resources |
| 19:23.20 | Walex | lelu: you can find that simple command line tool on the same shelf where there is a simple tool to perform neursurgery :-) |
| 19:24.02 | Walex | lelu: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:24.16 | lelu | Walex: lol yes thats what I thought, but one of the sysadmins at work used a pretty cool command line tool that I have forgotten the name of |
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| 19:24.56 | lelu | Walex: I want to lock down my server so only certain ports are accessible from the outside, I have apache running on 8080 and nginx as a reverse proxy so I do not want 8080 public |
| 19:25.21 | Walex | lelu: then you could bind Apach2 to 127.0.0.1 only for that |
| 19:25.29 | ratcheer | lelu: Have you looked at ufw and gufw? |
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| 19:25.55 | lelu | ratcheer: no, thank you for pointing those out, just reading up now :) |
| 19:25.56 | Walex | lelu: if you want a simple command line fw tool you could have a look at 'ferm', 'firehol', 'smoothwall' |
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| 19:26.07 | lelu | smoothwall rings a bell |
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| 19:26.25 | ratcheer | lelu: YW |
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| 19:26.45 | Walex | lelu: but if your system is a public server it is best to minimize the services exposure rather than run them wild and then firewall them |
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| 19:27.51 | lelu | Walex: yes, its a pretty powerful server that I have hosted in a friends cage at iomart. I was toying with the idea of virtualising it as I have 12 cores and 16GB ram to play with |
| 19:28.17 | lelu | apparently i got a good deal at a data centres closing down fire sale lol |
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| 19:28.55 | Walex | lelu: minimizing exposure means mostly minimizing the services that are bound to public addresses... And 12 cores/16GiB is pretty cool |
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| 19:29.36 | Walex | lelu: I personally dislike VMs except for testing and low load apps, prefer perhaps paraviatualization (e.g. UML) or containers (e.g. VServer). |
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| 19:30.02 | lelu | I guess i should port a few more ip-addresses to the server and limit the services running on each ip such as one for mine craft, one for web and one for email |
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| 19:35.02 | lelu | also one other thing. I keep getting "insserv: warning: script 'php-fastcgi' missing LSB tags and overrides" errors when i install new packages. is there anything i can read to find out how to debug it and fix? |
| 19:35.17 | saedelaere | I just used dd to write a debian live system (6.0.5) to a usb pen drive. I had a look in the syslinux config files and stumbled upon the kernel boot parameters |
| 19:35.19 | saedelaere | in |
| 19:35.25 | saedelaere | append initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live config |
| 19:35.33 | saedelaere | what is config good for? |
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| 19:40.28 | Walex | lelu: it does not matter a lot. There is a comment in some 'init.d' scripts that specifies package-specific runlevels, that is what is missing |
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| 19:40.57 | lelu | oil, yeah its a init.d script i wrote so i probably left something out |
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| 19:41.35 | Walex | saedelaere: any boot argument that the kernel does not recognize are skipped, so boot scripts can look at 'cmdline' and obey them |
| 19:41.59 | Walex | lelu: look at some other 'init.d' script to see what's the expected format... |
| 19:43.07 | saedelaere | Walex: ehm, but this the standard kernel boot parameter configuration of debian, so there must be a meaning of this "config" kernel option |
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| 20:15.25 | HelenB_ | I have a configure file but I don't know how to get the openvpn service to auto load it. :/ |
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| 20:25.35 | ratcheer | It's time for the Alabama-Georgia game. Bye. |
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| 20:28.57 | altescape | bonjour /bonsoir ! |
| 20:29.33 | ompaul | !fr |
| 20:29.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:35.06 | mooriane | !ar |
| 20:35.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:35.18 | mooriane | !fa |
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| 20:42.02 | BurnZeZ | I'm on amd64 Debian squeeze 6.0.6, but I can't seem to get fglrx to recognize my 6950. |
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| 20:51.17 | ompaul | !ati |
| 20:51.17 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:51.39 | ompaul | BurnZeZ: there is also a wiki page on debian |
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| 20:54.35 | shtrb | anyone here using openvpn and have more then one network interface ? |
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| 20:55.55 | shtrb | I had been running openvpn but now I see that it start instance for every network interface and attempt to create a tap device for each one |
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| 20:57.29 | ompaul | shtrb: client or server |
| 20:58.25 | BurnZeZ | Right |
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| 20:58.45 | martxel | hi |
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| 20:58.48 | BurnZeZ | I've been messing with it a bit, but I've slowly sapped my brainpower to nil. |
| 20:59.05 | BurnZeZ | Thanks |
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| 20:59.24 | ompaul | BurnZeZ: you can't do that - it's not good for you, I don't have ati so I can't give you more info, read and follow the wiki.debian.org |
| 20:59.44 | ompaul | martxel: do you have a debian question? |
| 21:00.28 | ompaul | shtrb: is this on the client or the server |
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| 21:00.50 | streulma | hello, I find the debian packages to old, how can I get an up to date htop and awstats ? |
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| 21:01.06 | ompaul | !bpo |
| 21:01.06 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 21:01.10 | dvs | ,vhtop |
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| 21:01.43 | ompaul | ,v htop |
| 21:01.45 | judd | Package: htop on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1; squeeze: 0.8.3-1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-4; experimental: 1.0.2-1 |
| 21:01.45 | BurnZeZ | ompaul: Pretty much what I tried to do, but it looks like the squeeze fglrx package is old enough that it doesn't support the card. |
| 21:02.08 | ompaul | BurnZeZ: I have no idea, I use intel. |
| 21:02.16 | BurnZeZ | Heh |
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| 21:02.47 | ompaul | BurnZeZ: if it works with the debian package initially you could live with that |
| 21:03.18 | BurnZeZ | Unfotunately I'm pretty limited. |
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| 21:03.39 | BurnZeZ | Currently in 1280x1024 |
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| 21:04.25 | ompaul | BurnZeZ: there is always wheezy if that works with it - but still then you are into testing software - and that may not all work the way you want - that being said freeze is on |
| 21:04.27 | ompaul | !testing |
| 21:04.27 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 21:04.41 | BurnZeZ | Yeah. |
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| 21:05.34 | BurnZeZ | I'd prefer to stay with stable, but this is a little bit of a problem. |
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| 21:06.16 | mooriane | Wheezy is kinda fuckin' stable now... |
| 21:06.34 | ompaul | kinda aint |
| 21:06.35 | dvs | ??? |
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| 21:07.09 | shtrb | ompaul, sorry had a kernel oops it's a client |
| 21:07.17 | dvs | 399 rc bugs |
| 21:07.41 | ompaul | shtrb: let me log into a client and check it |
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| 21:08.13 | shtrb | the problem happen only in case you have both a startup script and network if-up |
| 21:08.44 | mooriane | dvs, 399 motherfuckin' bugs? |
| 21:08.49 | mooriane | that's weird |
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| 21:09.42 | dvs | mooriane: no, release critical bugs. The number of bugs keeping wheezy from being released. |
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| 21:10.47 | ralu | Kernel from prevous version was like freezing my laptop |
| 21:10.52 | shtrb | ompaul, I also adjusted little bit the if-up script perhaps it could help you too http://pastebin.com/45HjYJfu |
| 21:10.54 | ralu | once an h |
| 21:11.18 | shtrb | but that is a workaround for my problem |
| 21:11.30 | ralu | I would not advice using it if you are not willing eating lot of bugz |
| 21:11.44 | ompaul | shtrb: eh I have a network problem |
| 21:11.52 | shtrb | the same ? |
| 21:11.54 | ompaul | I can't connect to the box I need to connect to :-( |
| 21:11.56 | ompaul | no |
| 21:12.09 | shtrb | ouch |
| 21:12.16 | ompaul | shtrb: I guess I have to contact the network supplier |
| 21:12.28 | shtrb | but it would be enough just to see the amount of instances |
| 21:12.45 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.47 | shtrb | It start one for each interface and create tap0...X what will fail your connection |
| 21:12.59 | ompaul | I had to go via route 2 - this is my works hub |
| 21:13.08 | shtrb | what is route 2 ? |
| 21:13.20 | ompaul | not route 1 --- how I expected to go |
| 21:13.31 | ompaul | I have redundancy in operations |
| 21:13.36 | shtrb | nice |
| 21:14.12 | streulma | are we speaking about openvpn ? :) |
| 21:14.20 | shtrb | yes |
| 21:14.37 | shtrb | the debian scripts are to blame (I think) |
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| 21:15.59 | acu | Guys - I run debian wheezy - and have a genome sequencing application to configure. One of the tools in the application requires dependencies awk, rm. sed. Do any of these dependencies come with Debian ? I keep getting errors such as failed to resolve dependencies awk, rm , and sed. |
| 21:16.21 | dvs | ,find awk |
| 21:16.25 | judd | Search for awk in squeeze/i386: [truncated] nighthawk: usr/games/nighthawk; original-awk: usr/bin/original-awk; mawk: usr/bin/mawk; gawk: usr/bin/gawk, usr/bin/igawk, usr/bin/pgawk; dpkg-awk: usr/bin/dpkg-awk, usr/lib/awk/getlong.awk; freebsd-buildutils: usr/lib/freebsd/awk; amanda-server: usr/lib/amanda/amcat.awk, usr/lib/amanda/amplot.awk; arpwatch: usr/lib/arpwatch/d.awk, |
| 21:16.26 | judd | usr/lib/arpwatch/duplicates.awk, usr/lib/arpwatch/e.awk, usr/lib/arpwatch/euppertolower.awk, usr/lib/arpwatch/p.awk; ftnchek: usr/lib/ftnchek/dcl2inc.awk; cruft: usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/gawk, usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/mawk; dx: usr/lib/dx/lib/mdf2c.awk |
| 21:16.35 | ThePicard | is there a way to work in a virtual dpkg environment and make selections on that, and then apply all those selections? |
| 21:16.41 | shtrb | acu , apt-get install awk sed |
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| 21:17.24 | ThePicard | in particular, I want to make selections as if I was installing a new system, and then apply them to an existing system |
| 21:17.25 | ompaul | acu: they are all available |
| 21:17.37 | ThePicard | so that stuff doesn't get left around that I don't want/need |
| 21:17.45 | shtrb | acu, also check that your sequencer ain't allready packaged |
| 21:18.11 | ThePicard | acu: that actually sounds really really weird |
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| 21:18.13 | ThePicard | because you said rm |
| 21:18.18 | ompaul | shtrb: I have written very specific rules on the clients |
| 21:18.22 | ThePicard | rm is part of coreutils, which is installed by default |
| 21:19.01 | shtrb | ompaul , I also push some routes via the server but it can be done on the client level ? |
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| 21:19.50 | ompaul | shtrb: at the top of the file is has client /dev tun / proto udp /remote some-ip-goes-here and you can push from the client but you should tell the server you want to route across several boxes |
| 21:20.27 | ompaul | shtrb: I'm going to have to check into the problem more wrt the office - I'll have to abandon you I'm afraid |
| 21:20.32 | shtrb | ompaul, that sounds intersting but I'll wait with that :) as my server is the more important here |
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| 21:24.43 | ThePicard | NVM about my question, I found you can do this with aptitude --schedule-only |
| 21:25.10 | ThePicard | eg aptitude --schedule-only purge ~i; aptitude --schedule-only install blahblahblah |
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| 21:28.14 | streulma | ompaul: I have static routes on the clients, specific routes to hosts with 255.255.255.255 |
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| 21:30.58 | jimcooncat | is ocfs2 safe to base a project on that I intend to have in production for several years? Is there any problem seen with Oracle's backing of this file system, in the wake of the Oo.o debacle? |
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| 21:38.29 | homes | jimcooncat: it's in mainline now isn't it, ergo, it's community backed now? |
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| 21:43.04 | jimcooncat | does that really help if upstream loses it's motivation to support it? Is it popular enough for the public to support it, like Mint stepping up to provide MATE? |
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| 21:45.50 | homes | sounds like you want assurances, oracle will be happy to sell you support for oracle unbreakable linux ;P |
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| 21:46.21 | homes | they keep their plans secret, who knows if they'll keep contributing to mainline |
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| 21:58.53 | uiopqwer | how do i get X to recognize my truetype fonts? i installed ttf-inconsolata from the repos. gnome-terminal picks up the font, but xlsfonts doesn't. every guide i've seen mentions using a tool called "ttmkfdir", but this isn't available in the repos... |
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| 21:59.52 | nkuttler | uiopqwer: try xset fp rehash |
| 22:00.10 | nkuttler | !tell uiopqwer about install font |
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| 22:02.30 | Enmity | I need to get my discrete video working to enable display port output. I installed the driver packages but after switching to the ati controller in the bios it boots up to a garbled screen so am unable to run the aticonfig --initial command. It seems to be a VESA issue and not in X, how do I boot to plain cli? |
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| 22:03.11 | dvs | Enmity: recovery mode |
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| 22:03.29 | uiopqwer | nkuttler: the ttf isn't in my font path, so xset fp rehash won't pick it up. but i can't put ttf in my font path without using ttmkfdir. unless i can just use mkfontdir. |
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| 22:03.53 | Enmity | dvs tried that, still came up with a distorted screen image |
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| 22:05.24 | nkuttler | uiopqwer: fonts from packages should really just work though |
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| 22:05.53 | nkuttler | uiopqwer: and you don't need to manually set font paths either |
| 22:06.04 | nkuttler | but see what the bot told you |
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| 22:06.55 | uiopqwer | nkuttler: yeah, gnome-terminal picks it up, but X programs don't. i'll try what the bot said |
| 22:07.51 | dvs | Enmity: radeon.modeset=0 on kernel line (you'll probably have to use edit in grub to do it) |
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| 22:12.33 | uiopqwer | nkuttler: i'm afraid the bot wasn't helpful. simply copying the ttf files to a directory and running fc-cache -fv doesn't do the trick |
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| 22:30.52 | meLon | Thanks MrFrood. I'll give it a try |
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| 22:35.21 | meLon | MrFrood: Instead, I'm using -name XTerm -class XTerm-irssi and it's working great. |
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| 23:12.08 | phreaky | question: When i run any browser the CPU usage just goes 100% and everything starts to operate slow .. |
| 23:12.13 | phreaky | and lags |
| 23:12.39 | waynr | phreaky: what is your question? |
| 23:12.49 | phreaky | ha yeah sorry |
| 23:13.04 | phreaky | so what possibly could be the reason about that |
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| 23:13.37 | waynr | when your browser opens do you have tabs open from your previous session? |
| 23:13.43 | phreaky | nope |
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| 23:14.10 | waynr | try running the command 'top' in a terminal while you are opening the browser |
| 23:14.18 | phreaky | i figured out that could be the problem but nope i tried , icedweasel , chrome , epiphany |
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| 23:15.05 | phreaky | system monitor do the same thing |
| 23:15.14 | scientes | htop |
| 23:15.21 | waynr | okay i am not familiar with system monitor |
| 23:15.33 | scientes | it also sucks, literally |
| 23:15.39 | waynr | and as far as i know, 'top' is installed by default (could be wrong) |
| 23:15.43 | scientes | waynr, it is |
| 23:15.47 | scientes | part os psutils |
| 23:15.53 | scientes | *of |
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| 23:16.08 | waynr | oh...i just checked 'dpkg `which top`' and saw procps |
| 23:16.09 | scientes | *package procps |
| 23:16.19 | scientes | waynr, dpkg -S AFAIK |
| 23:16.28 | waynr | right |
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| 23:16.53 | phreaky | maybe epiphany is little bit more hmm not stable but less overloading the system |
| 23:17.14 | scientes | not at javascript-heavy stuff |
| 23:17.21 | phreaky | nope when i load a site it just goes 100 |
| 23:17.38 | scientes | try firefox --safe-mode |
| 23:17.43 | scientes | *iceweasel --safe-mode |
| 23:17.45 | waynr | phreaky: can you see using system monitor which process is consuming the most CPU resources? |
| 23:17.50 | phreaky | yeap |
| 23:17.52 | phreaky | the browser :D |
| 23:18.06 | phreaky | i know the problem where it comes from i just ask for a solution |
| 23:18.09 | scientes | phreaky, what is uname -m ? |
| 23:18.25 | phreaky | actually the thing is that im using |
| 23:18.28 | phreaky | bpo-i486 |
| 23:18.40 | phreaky | my architecture is i686 |
| 23:18.44 | phreaky | could be that the reason |
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| 23:18.52 | scientes | try mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:18.55 | scientes | for more recent iceweasel |
| 23:19.19 | phreaky | how does that solve the proble m? |
| 23:19.23 | un214 | is it possibly loading flash with vesa graphics and trying to play video without enough cpu? |
| 23:19.36 | scientes | what is the web page? |
| 23:19.41 | scientes | does the browser load? |
| 23:19.53 | scientes | if you are trying to play a video without XVideo that could be the cause |
| 23:20.12 | phreaky | nah im talking about normal pages |
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| 23:20.25 | un214 | flash video ads are so comon |
| 23:20.30 | scientes | what version of iceweasel? |
| 23:20.39 | scientes | or yeah get rid of flash |
| 23:20.52 | phreaky | 3.5 |
| 23:21.05 | scientes | with iceweasel 7+ flash is in a seperate process so you can see if that is the problem |
| 23:21.08 | scientes | not with 3.5 though |
| 23:21.14 | phreaky | but i m using mainly chrome |
| 23:21.21 | scientes | ff 4+ really is faster |
| 23:21.22 | phreaky | which is a total bullshit anyways |
| 23:21.43 | scientes | chrome is actually not that fast on single-processor computers |
| 23:22.01 | phreaky | single processor or single core ? |
| 23:22.05 | scientes | single core |
| 23:22.09 | phreaky | i ahve 2 cores |
| 23:22.13 | scientes | and modern firefox is as fast as modern chrome |
| 23:22.43 | scientes | but that iceweasel is old, try mozilla.debian.net for a more recent version |
| 23:22.51 | phreaky | yeahi m doing it right now |
| 23:23.05 | phreaky | actually i start wondering if the problem is that i m using bpo-i486 rather bpo-i686 |
| 23:23.22 | scientes | no it isn't, but make sure you have libc6-686 installed |
| 23:23.37 | scientes | oh wait, it is |
| 23:23.47 | scientes | the 486 kernel doesn't support SMP, so you only use one core |
| 23:24.01 | phreaky | exaactly |
| 23:24.07 | phreaky | that's what i m thinking of when you said |
| 23:24.08 | scientes | you can see that if you install htop |
| 23:24.16 | un214 | scientes: ?? |
| 23:24.27 | un214 | did you really compile the 486 kernel w/o smp? |
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| 23:24.57 | scientes | AFAIK that is the only way you can compile a 486-compatible kernel |
| 23:25.15 | un214 | last I checked, SMP and 386 were not compilation option exclusive |
| 23:25.19 | phreaky | actually i used precompiled kernel like i said bpo |
| 23:25.19 | scientes | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-486 |
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| 23:25.27 | scientes | "This kernel is not suitable for SMP (multi-processor, multi-core or hyper-threaded) systems." |
| 23:25.42 | un214 | ah there we go it really was only compiled for 1 cpu |
| 23:26.09 | phreaky | damn it so i must go and put i686 |
| 23:26.19 | scientes | phreaky, linux-image-686 |
| 23:26.24 | phreaky | yeahyeahi know |
| 23:26.34 | phreaky | just trying the iceweasel |
| 23:28.29 | phreaky | little bit ok i guess but still the problem remains . and the problems i actualyl from today .. which is quite interesting |
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| 23:34.51 | phreaky | scientes: thank you :) |
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| 23:37.49 | streuner_ | phreaky: do you realize that modern browsers/websites needs plenty of CPU/RAM yet? :-) |
| 23:38.24 | phreaky | yeah yeah actually i can stick to the f... :) LYNX :) |
| 23:38.40 | streuner_ | sad, but true :-( |
| 23:39.10 | phreaky | i just need that GUI because of my job... and because i liek watching documentaries .. and stuff |
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| 23:57.40 | nkuttler | is there a channel specifically for blind/disabled users? or just mailing lists? |
| 23:59.12 | streuner_ | dpkg, blind |
| 23:59.13 | dpkg | somebody said blind was a place inside my mind, a place i like to hide, but you dont know the chances, what if i should die? |
| 23:59.25 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:59.26 | nkuttler | yeah, already tried that |
| 23:59.42 | nkuttler | was a little surprised tbh dpkg didn't know anything useful |
