| 00:00.29 | spin_ | The following suspicious files and directories were found: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.4/.java-gcj-4.4.jinfo /usr/lib/iceweasel/.autoreg /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/.autoreg /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path /lib/init/rw/.ramfs |
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| 00:01.32 | spin_ | This is debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 00:05.08 | spin_ | my iso debian have virus ? |
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| 00:06.48 | stew | spin_: quite unlikely. but you can check the md5sum against the published md5sum for that image |
| 00:07.04 | spin_ | With rkhunter I have : Checking for possible rootkit strings [ Warning ] |
| 00:07.22 | spin_ | I have verify the md5sum |
| 00:07.30 | stew | spin_: about the chkrootkit probable false warnings, i'd verify them as false and file bugs |
| 00:07.49 | stew | i can tell you for sure that /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path isn't a suspicious file to have, you can verify its contents |
| 00:08.06 | spin_ | How? |
| 00:08.28 | spin_ | Second message for rkhunter is : Checking for hidden files and directories [ Warning ] |
| 00:08.48 | stew | those tools are so useless |
| 00:09.10 | spin_ | Result : Possible rootkits: 2 |
| 00:09.26 | spin_ | Rootkit names : Xzibit Rootkit |
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| 00:11.07 | stew | ssourc: I think that bug is already fixed |
| 00:11.24 | ssourc | its a bug ? |
| 00:11.33 | stew | yes |
| 00:11.39 | stew | !dbugs 576680 |
| 00:11.47 | ssourc | how to verify ? |
| 00:11.48 | dpkg | DONE:#576680:N[rkhunter] rkhunter: Fix false positive Xzibit rootkit detection (patch); Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:42:01 UTC [] |
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| 00:12.42 | stew | ssourc: check the bug |
| 00:12.43 | stew | report |
| 00:12.47 | ssourc | ok |
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| 00:13.48 | stew | but my recommendation would be to ignore these tools, they are just time sinks. they spit out tons of false positives. I've never seen them detect a rootkit, even when I've known one to be present |
| 00:14.14 | stew | better of using something like samhain or tripwire |
| 00:14.17 | dvs | gasps |
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| 00:14.36 | stew | ssourc: what is in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path ? |
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| 00:17.58 | ssourc | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6 |
| 00:17.58 | ssourc | gtk-2.0 |
| 00:17.58 | ssourc | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0 |
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| 00:19.58 | stew | doesn't seem at all suspicious to me |
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| 00:26.38 | diabel | Hello |
| 00:27.09 | diabel | Can anybody tell me why I still have: W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.pl.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
| 00:27.30 | diabel | I readded keys of reposity |
| 00:27.50 | diabel | it doesn't fix anything |
| 00:29.03 | majuscule | abrotman: continuing without the kernel modules end up failing installing base system "failed to determine the codename for the release" |
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| 00:29.51 | abrotman | majuscule: that's lovely .. |
| 00:30.04 | majuscule | yeah :-( |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | majuscule: you can't just burn a CD and boot off that? |
| 00:30.56 | majuscule | no cd drive |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | fun |
| 00:31.50 | diabel | http://wklej.org/id/886450/ |
| 00:31.51 | hasdf | didn't get the whole issue, but just dd the image to usb stick? |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | tried it |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | majuscule: have you verified the contents of the CD on the usb drive? |
| 00:32.47 | majuscule | hmm, i checksummed locally but not after the write |
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| 00:34.09 | neon__ | what make spell checking in firefox? |
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| 00:34.48 | majuscule | neon__: think that's part of gecko |
| 00:35.02 | edju | Trying to install wheezy on a macbook, late 2008. Tried a number of steps I found around the web, but I get stuck at the grub section. Installing grub in the wheezy root partition didn't work - no bootable device found. Skipping the grub install also didn't work - not suprising. Any one with a pointer to a good site that explains thoing for the simple-minded? |
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| 00:35.24 | edju | thoing - things |
| 00:35.36 | ssourc | how work samhain and tripwire |
| 00:35.51 | ssourc | stew |
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| 00:43.54 | gnarface | edju: just try it with lilo instead and be happy if it works. if you want to punish yourself for your sins then feel free to try installing grub after that. |
| 00:44.41 | edju | gnarface, put lilo in the root partition? |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 00:45.18 | gnarface | edju: if by "root partition" you mean "master boot record (MBR)" then yes |
| 00:45.38 | gnarface | edju: did you try grub on the MBR or did you only try it on the root partition? |
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| 00:46.14 | gnarface | edju: note that if you're trying to accomplish dual-booting windows & linux this will probably make your windows install unbootable |
| 00:46.16 | edju | gnarface, Strange. Everything I've read said not to install in the MBR. |
| 00:46.48 | gnarface | edju: "everything" like what? trusted computing's trusted advice for trusted operating systems, 2001 (all rights reserved) ? |
| 00:46.51 | edju | Windows?? This is a macbook - OSX. |
| 00:47.11 | gnarface | oh i see. intel though? |
| 00:47.20 | gnarface | if its ppc that explains your problem with grub... |
| 00:47.23 | edju | gnarface, Yes, Intel |
| 00:48.41 | gnarface | edju: ok so that *should* be normal-ish (i've never had trouble doing it) but you don't have a bios; you have openfirmware and it behaves very differently from a bios. |
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| 00:49.07 | gnarface | edju: i don't recall any problems using the MBR but frankly i've never dual-booted a mac, and its been a few years since i've installed linux on one. |
| 00:49.14 | edju | gnarface, Yep. Installed refit. |
| 00:49.15 | JCDenton | Is it possible to ask for an estimate on how long it could take for apache2.4 to be phased into debian stable? |
| 00:49.23 | JCDenton | It's currently experimental, which is all I know. |
| 00:49.49 | ssourc | ten years |
| 00:49.59 | gnarface | JCDenton: its possible to ask, but you're not gonna find anyone seriously willing to admit to knowing the answer. |
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| 00:51.50 | gnarface | JCDenton: it will help you to know that apache 2.2 is what is currently in stable and current stable will NEVER get apache > 2.2. you will have to wait until wheezy or jesse turn stable, probably |
| 00:52.35 | JCDenton | gnarface, Ah, that makes sense. Thanks |
| 00:53.05 | somiaj | since wheezy is frozen, and apache 2.4 is not there, it won't be released with wheezy |
| 00:53.52 | somiaj | it may be provided by backports at a future date and make it into jessi, but many things will change by the time jessi freezes. |
| 00:54.24 | abrotman | JCDenton: the release after wheezy |
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| 00:54.56 | abrotman | JCDenton: it may end up in backports for wheezy, but that will be decided at a later date |
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| 01:07.27 | SiDz | hi, if i have gcc 4.4 and 4.6 and 4.7, how can i use 4.4 when doing a make? |
| 01:07.30 | SiDz | or 4.5? |
| 01:07.39 | SiDz | all apt-geted |
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| 01:08.07 | sney | you can use update-alternatives or declare it |
| 01:08.43 | SiDz | how do i declare it |
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| 01:10.11 | customersever | can someone suggest a web based video player that i can watch vids on browsers at my home? |
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| 01:16.43 | ratcheer | customersever: I'm not sure exactly what you mean. I use vlc. |
| 01:21.17 | neon__ | can desktop pcs sleep with debian these days? |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:21.28 | neon__ | (and wake up fine) |
| 01:21.40 | neon__ | just try? |
| 01:22.09 | damacus | maybe wine and dine it first |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | unless you'd like us to steal your computer and try it for yo u? |
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| 01:47.39 | gnarface | SiDz: you usually specify it when doing configure... |
| 01:48.53 | SiDz | yeah i googled it |
| 01:48.58 | SiDz | thanks for the cue |
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| 02:13.52 | isoman2kx | aunt jemima's pancakes |
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| 02:27.52 | noRulezbr | i want to see the ip of the client that is using the service firebird-classic. Anyone know how? |
| 02:28.11 | sney | that's a service on your server? |
| 02:28.19 | noRulezbr | yes |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | netstat |
| 02:28.35 | sney | netstat will show open connections. if it's your server then finding the p- dammit abrotman I was TYPING |
| 02:29.11 | sney | pouts |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | it was a one word answer! :) |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | goes back to guitar .. |
| 02:29.47 | sney | pfft. |
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| 02:35.35 | rpgdude | can squeeze boot to a raid5 array? |
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| 02:36.05 | sney | depends on the nature of the array. on a hardware controller, certainly. md, also yes, though there are some hoops to jump through |
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| 02:36.28 | rpgdude | sney: im using software raid, what do i need to do? |
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| 02:37.10 | sney | I don't remember the exact process for a md raid5, but it's universal among the different distros that use 2.6.32 |
| 02:37.20 | sney | so it should be well documented on the internet |
| 02:37.25 | rpgdude | i will look |
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| 02:38.09 | damacus | it's trivial with mirrors, raid5 not so much |
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| 02:38.33 | damacus | if you can do a mirrored or separate /boot, it gets much easier |
| 02:38.53 | sney | yeah, separate /boot is the easy way out for sure |
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| 02:40.02 | rpgdude | well heres the thing, the system is already raid1 |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | that's the thing |
| 02:40.21 | rpgdude | i bought another disk and i want to make it raid5 |
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| 02:40.46 | damacus | and you have another volume large enough to back up all your data to right? |
| 02:41.10 | damacus | because you'll need to destroy the mirror and build the raid5 fresh |
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| 02:41.51 | rpgdude | damacus: from what i understand mdadm supports switching raid levels with no data loss |
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| 02:42.31 | abrotman | realistically, he could break the raid1, create a degraded raid5 .. then add the other drive back in |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | but that seems .. dangerous |
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| 02:42.51 | damacus | huh |
| 02:42.54 | damacus | suppose you could |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | but that sounds like crazy talk :) |
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| 02:43.42 | sney | you'd want a backup in any case |
| 02:43.46 | rpgdude | right |
| 02:43.48 | damacus | haha yeah, a bit. just googled, and sure enough, seeing posts about people doing that. |
| 02:43.55 | rpgdude | im probably gonna pick up a tape drive |
| 02:44.02 | damacus | so i retract my statement, though i personally wouldn't roll like that =) |
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| 02:45.02 | z | /wi/win 16 |
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| 02:45.07 | z | sighs |
| 02:45.08 | sney | lose 17 |
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| 02:47.29 | rpgdude | so heres my plan, backup to tape, grow the array to level 5, then grub-install, reboot, and cross fingers |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | tape?! |
| 02:47.52 | sney | tape!! |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | flips the cassette over |
| 02:48.03 | rpgdude | yeah, how else would i do it? |
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| 02:48.13 | abrotman | ls120 disks? |
| 02:48.19 | sney | there is nothing wrong with tape as long as the tape is in good shape. |
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| 02:49.12 | rpgdude | is there maybe some cheaper way to backup |
| 02:49.31 | rpgdude | i have the extra drive for the raid 5 |
| 02:49.37 | rpgdude | maybe backup to that? |
| 02:49.41 | sney | well |
| 02:49.45 | sney | it'd be a shuffle |
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| 02:50.45 | rpgdude | what command do i use for the backup? |
| 02:50.47 | rpgdude | dd? |
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| 02:51.26 | abrotman | isn't going to watch .. |
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| 02:53.51 | customersever | what i ment before was are there any packages in apt which are flash/html5 media players in debian squeeze? |
| 02:54.19 | customersever | i know vlc has a http interface to control it |
| 02:54.32 | customersever | but thats not what i want |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | there used to be a swfdecoder or osmething |
| 02:55.39 | customersever | ive used other things but i was wondering if something was in the repos |
| 02:57.12 | rpgdude | what do you guys recommend as a backup solution? |
| 02:57.17 | rpgdude | for 1TB |
| 02:57.57 | customersever | another 1tb drive |
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| 02:58.40 | rpgdude | i have that |
| 02:58.53 | rpgdude | i just bought one |
| 02:59.10 | rpgdude | what do i need to do to backup the raid1 array? |
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| 02:59.35 | sney | maybe use partimage |
| 03:01.29 | rpgdude | sney: thx i didnt think of that |
| 03:02.55 | rpgdude | i cant really use dd right, because it will copy the raid metadata |
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| 03:03.26 | sney | plus it's inefficient |
| 03:04.21 | rpgdude | ah |
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| 03:07.53 | maxxe | what will be the x11 version for wheezy? |
| 03:08.28 | rpgdude | what command do i use to list the partitions on my raid array? |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | maxxe: packages.debian.org can tell you |
| 03:10.35 | rpgdude | i guess its something in lvm |
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| 03:13.38 | rpgdude | it looks like lvm supports some kind of snapshotting for backup purposes |
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| 03:16.47 | maxxe | lol it's more bugs concerning squeeze rather than wheezy. maybe it has to do with it only shows release critical bugs for wheezy |
| 03:18.24 | maxxe | will be happy when wheezy is released |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | so fix more bugs! |
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| 03:22.25 | maxxe | yeah i will fix what i can |
| 03:22.59 | maxxe | some packages i haven't even used |
| 03:24.22 | maxxe | dovecot bugs should be a good challange. at least some fun. |
| 03:24.57 | maxxe | now time for work. cya |
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| 03:32.18 | thaicares | I've used linux distro after linux distro... all on the same machine so NO I'm not too skilled and that is why I'm having a problem adjusting to debian because it lacks everything I'm familiar with! [HELP] |
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| 03:33.41 | thaicares | I must assume it would be beneficial to explain .deb for one isn't something I'm understanding in my adjustments! aptitude is suggested over my usual apt-get even though there is both, and the synaptic doesn't have the simpliest things like an irc program!!! |
| 03:34.11 | abrotman | thaicares: sounds like your sources.list is out of whack, could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin ? |
| 03:34.57 | thaicares | that is probably correct! I will try to pastebin in just a bit |
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| 03:35.28 | abrotman | or |
| 03:35.30 | abrotman | !squeeze sources.list |
| 03:35.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 03:38.09 | thaicares | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/3sxyhtyV |
| 03:38.41 | dvs | yikes |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | thaicares: look above, add those two lines in quotes, then comment out the cdrom line |
| 03:39.12 | abrotman | oh, wait |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | !wheezy sources.list |
| 03:39.16 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <wheezy updates> <wheezy security> and "man sources.list". |
| 03:39.17 | dvs | but it's wheezy |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | thaicares: that one |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | or those two |
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| 03:40.49 | thaicares | ok I'm confused at what two lines? the things in the "quotations"? also am I adding or replacing? |
| 03:40.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | adding |
| 03:41.31 | dvs | comment out the cdrom lines |
| 03:42.15 | thaicares | comment out? |
| 03:42.27 | abrotman | with a # |
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| 03:42.43 | dvs | put a # sign in front of the cdrom lines if they are not there already |
| 03:44.06 | thaicares | I comment out the two lines I added just now also, correct? |
| 03:44.47 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:45.31 | thaicares | oh ok comment out means exactly what it sounds like then make those things unavailable by making them nothing more than comments! |
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| 03:47.07 | sney | bingo |
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| 03:48.01 | thaicares | I'm gonna have to be root to save it... is there an easy way to obtain root from thunar? |
| 03:48.17 | abrotman | use vi |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | would have thought synaptic would have a way to do this graphically |
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| 03:49.08 | thaicares | lol vi is a skill I have yet to learn |
| 03:49.08 | abrotman | it does .. |
| 03:49.32 | dvs | nano? |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | thaicares: open synaptic, click the Settings, then Repositories .. can you not manage them from there? |
| 03:50.59 | bubull3 | or write the file as /tmp/sources.list, and in a root console cp to /etc/apt/ |
| 03:53.13 | thaicares | I went the synaptic root they will both be deb not deb-src right? |
| 03:53.30 | dvs | right |
| 03:53.54 | thaicares | distribution would be wheezy and wheezy/updates respectively |
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| 03:54.27 | dvs | yes |
| 03:55.37 | thaicares | idk why but this http://pastebin.com/swiveV8n happened |
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| 03:57.06 | dvs | how come it's not wheezy updates |
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| 03:59.34 | thaicares | dvs: I'm not sure why but when I tried wheezy updates it showed an additional error as the manager automatically moved the "updates" down to the "sections" area |
| 04:00.19 | bubull3 | maybe a typo there ? "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" |
| 04:00.38 | dvs | This is why i use an editor |
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| 04:01.35 | thaicares | bubull3 the wheezy updates one is fine the one its having issues with is the other |
| 04:02.04 | thaicares | dvs: ^above but yeah I can imagine how it'd be easier if I knew what I was doing... |
| 04:02.07 | sney | thaicares: that's because the main wheezy repo is not on security.debian.org |
| 04:02.21 | thaicares | ahhhh |
| 04:02.34 | thaicares | sney: so where do they hide? |
| 04:02.35 | sney | so it's deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main, not deb http://security.debian.org/ etc |
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| 04:04.54 | thaicares | thank you sney and dvs and bubull3 and abrotman |
| 04:05.07 | thaicares | I imagine it should work much better now!!!! |
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| 04:06.55 | bubull3 | it would be even better to use a mirrorcloser to you |
| 04:07.29 | sney | bubull3: read http://http.debian.net/ |
| 04:07.31 | bubull3 | there s a list on www.debian.org |
| 04:07.40 | bubull3 | k |
| 04:08.38 | bubull3 | nice :) |
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| 04:09.01 | sney | yep it's pretty useful. |
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| 04:27.26 | brady | im using a raspberry pi, ive set up vnc, however i cannot for the life of me seem to get vnc to autoload |
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| 04:39.18 | nvz | iirc.. |
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| 04:54.23 | trist4n | it was a problem with the routing line in my interfaces config! not the firewall script. |
| 04:54.48 | trist4n | through some form of deep magic my ipv6 is determining its own ipv6 gateway, so attempting to define one in interfaces would cause an error and abort the interface coming up |
| 04:54.51 | trist4n | til. |
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| 06:54.43 | holycow | hi guys |
| 06:55.12 | holycow | what does the 'myproxy' line mean in this line: debootstrap --arch=amd64 lenny /amd64 http://myproxy/ |
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| 07:03.52 | nimbos | I need help installing mono 2.10. I added backports (which should have it) to my /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, but after apt-get install mono-complete I'm still getting 2.6 |
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| 07:04.20 | nimbos | and when I do aptitude search mono-complete only stable 2.6 is returned |
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| 07:21.05 | Andy1978 | apt-get update just showed a download rate of 3.2PB/s. Some sort of caching? |
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| 07:25.01 | ectospasm | Andy1978: how much did you download? And where did you download it from? |
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| 09:03.16 | milligan | Hey! I just configured a new VPN connection in network manager, but when I open the network manager menu, the connection is greyed out and I cannot connect to it. Any ideas why? My user is in the netdev group. |
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| 09:27.04 | skiy1337 | I've tryed to install Orca. Problem is that there is no sound. I mean, it does not list any available speech synthesizers. |
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| 09:27.49 | skiy1337 | I thought that 'apt-get install orca' would at least install the default one. |
| 09:29.14 | milligan | Is "DNS1=8.8.8.8" a valid entry in /etc/network/interfaces , for a statically configured interface ? |
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| 09:31.03 | Jaleks | I often have a 'dead' window on my desk (icewm, just the border with black background), how to i get to know the program from which it is? |
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| 09:32.21 | Projektarbyte | hello .. how do I remove a software package with aptitude, but leave the referenced libs? |
| 09:33.03 | skiy1337 | I only know the command line way. |
| 09:33.39 | skiy1337 | apt-get remove bad-package |
| 09:33.45 | Projektarbyte | that would be the best way :) |
| 09:34.38 | Projektarbyte | aptitude remove package will remove also libs that are used in another software, that I have compiled from sources. but I do not want to remove that libs … |
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| 09:39.07 | ChrisH | Projektarbyte: nice nick |
| 09:39.16 | Projektarbyte | thx |
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| 09:42.07 | Projektarbyte | I didn´t know that aptitude has a shell gui .. lol .. with that it´s logical and easy to select the libs that don´t need to be removed |
| 09:42.21 | martxel | hi |
| 09:44.05 | kimbl | Projektarbyte: TUI. |
| 09:44.20 | kimbl | Not GUI. |
| 09:44.29 | Projektarbyte | terminal user interface? |
| 09:44.43 | kimbl | Text. |
| 09:44.44 | formorer | text |
| 09:44.48 | Projektarbyte | :) |
| 09:44.49 | kimbl | nano, vim, etc. are TUI. |
| 09:44.50 | Projektarbyte | thx |
| 09:44.54 | kimbl | Y/w. |
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| 09:46.38 | Projektarbyte | saved to brain: TUI :) |
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| 09:53.56 | francio | Hi all |
| 09:54.05 | kimbl | lo francio |
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| 09:56.21 | francio | I installed a debian 12.04 LAMP from the dvd guided installation, and now I find myself with /var/www owned by root, which doesn't seem quite safe and usable, how do I fix that? |
| 09:57.09 | tralala | francio, you'd have to ask #ubuntu |
| 09:57.10 | ChrisH | francio: what does cat /etc/debian_version show? |
| 09:57.26 | tralala | ah, sorry |
| 09:57.34 | tralala | I took 12.04 for an ubuntu version |
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| 09:57.55 | francio | ah |
| 09:58.11 | francio | haha noo it's Debian |
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| 10:00.35 | ChrisH | francio: independen from Debian or not, what is wrong with /var/www owned by root? |
| 10:01.02 | formorer | it is safer than everything else |
| 10:01.26 | formorer | why whould it be unsafe if only the admin is able to write in a directory? |
| 10:02.31 | francio | ok , then how do I give write permission to other users to write and edit files in /var/www? |
| 10:02.44 | formorer | chmod/chown. |
| 10:02.52 | ChrisH | man chown|chmod |
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| 10:03.45 | francio | aahh you mean other users should own only subdirectories of /var/www |
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| 10:04.29 | formorer | if users should own anything in /var/www is admins choice. |
| 10:04.39 | formorer | I personally prefer adding such stuff in /srv |
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| 10:06.10 | jimcooncat | why would gksu be acting up all of a sudden? I don't recall making any changes, other than installing recent updates (squeeze) |
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| 10:07.20 | jimcooncat | GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
| 10:07.40 | francio | ok |
| 10:08.02 | francio | I will see if it's better to set gid |
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| 10:11.11 | francio | thank you guys |
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| 10:14.44 | Desproges | Hi, since I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, I have this problem: a program (hamster, time tracker) works only if I run it with "sudo" |
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| 10:18.12 | Jaleks | I often have a 'dead' window on my desk (icewm, just the border with black background), how to i get to know the program from which it is? |
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| 10:19.26 | ChrisH | Desproges: funny thing this sudo stuff, but what is your question? |
| 10:20.37 | Desproges | yes, forgot the question ChrisH : have you any idea about what to check to fix this (and make it working by common user). https://gist.github.com/4193868 |
| 10:21.44 | Walex | Jaleks: not totally trivial, but try 'xwininfo' |
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| 10:24.22 | Walex | Desproges: very funny situation. Probably some 'import' failed, if a variable is not defined. Perhaps the import failed because some other module is not accessible (permissions problem) or is missing. |
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| 10:25.14 | Jaleks | thx, but 'xwininfo -all' only results in "xwininfo: Window id: 0x100020b (has no name)" plus some more info not related to any program name... |
| 10:25.54 | Walex | Jaleks: not even a class? Then the program that created it is dead and that's why it is a ghost window. |
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| 10:26.59 | Jaleks | Visual Class: TrueColor \n Class: InputOutput |
| 10:27.19 | Jaleks | maybe i lost some info as i certainly already tried to close it |
| 10:27.36 | Walex | Jaleks: well, then you need to figure out which programs crashed recently... |
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| 10:28.54 | Desproges | lol Walex, what you said is so obvious that I already thought about that ... except I "thought" but didn't "try"... I just edited the file where the error appear, and added "import wnck" after "import gtk" and this works ... Thanks you very much ! |
| 10:28.59 | ChrisH | Desproges: Sorry no idea thats pyhthon specific, not my langiage |
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| 10:30.07 | Jaleks | thx |
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| 10:43.37 | MyWay | hello, my webcam is detected by the new kernel, but it's not working (cheese says no device found), what can I do? |
| 10:43.50 | MyWay | it should use uvc drivers |
| 10:44.11 | MyWay | lsusb -d 145f:019f -v | grep "14 Video" |
| 10:44.11 | MyWay | Couldn't open device, some information will be missing |
| 10:44.12 | MyWay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:00.37 | ChrisH | MyWay: permission problem? strace -fo /tmp/strace.cheeses cheese afterwards check /tmp/strace.cheeses for ENOPERM |
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| 11:05.25 | MyWay | ChrisH: thank you, here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/2281718 |
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| 11:12.26 | ChrisH | MyWay: 6617 open("/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-R.ttf", O_RDONLY) = 22 |
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| 11:12.44 | MyWay | should I change it? |
| 11:12.44 | ChrisH | MyWay: What Debian Version are you running? |
| 11:12.55 | MyWay | debian testing (it's linux mint debian) |
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| 11:13.14 | babilen | !lmde |
| 11:13.14 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 11:15.11 | ChrisH | MyWay: check what FD 4 is coming from and continue with the Mint colleagues |
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| 11:15.35 | Kakila | hi all, ok after a day of trying to install nvidia drivers (and failing, apparently because of optimus) I am back to the intel drivers (i915). The problem I am suffering is random freezes in desktop gnome3 or xfce (using gdm3) |
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| 11:16.26 | MyWay | what is fd? |
| 11:17.00 | ChrisH | MyWay: Filedescriptor 4 ; run lsof -p PID_of_cheese |
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| 11:17.47 | Kakila | does anybody has a clue what can be? |
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| 11:19.52 | MyWay | ChrisH: I have a lit of command/FD etc. but I can't see "4" or you mean the fourth in the list? |
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| 11:20.51 | MyWay | http://pastebin.com/C7eKhXxR |
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| 11:21.00 | Latka_Gravas | good evening |
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| 11:21.46 | MyWay | list* |
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| 11:22.35 | boudiccas | mymyou are unsupported here due to you not using Debian, please ask your support questions in the channel appropriate for linux mint debain |
| 11:23.08 | boudiccas | MyWay: you are unsupported here due to you not using Debian, please ask your support questions in the channel appropriate for linux mint debain |
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| 11:24.19 | MyWay | ok boudiccas, sorry |
| 11:24.40 | babilen | (or install/use pure Debian and come back) |
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| 11:25.55 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/214076/ id like to reinstall ratbox-services using mysql flavour. but i dont get the debian rules file, (the dev version of ratbox-sevices have chanfix thats why i want it) |
| 11:26.03 | SiDz | anyone can help me with that |
| 11:26.04 | SiDz | ? |
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| 11:27.09 | SiDz | i dont understandi mean |
| 11:28.14 | babilen | ugh, cdbs |
| 11:28.55 | SiDz | pretty weird debian rules file |
| 11:29.01 | babilen | SiDz: I have no idea what you are trying to do? Do you simply want to build the source package? |
| 11:29.19 | SiDz | i want to know how the deb build it, from a to z |
| 11:29.25 | SiDz | and just add --enable-chanfix |
| 11:29.25 | babilen | SiDz: Well, it is CDBS (http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html) |
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| 11:29.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell SiDz -about package recompile |
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| 11:30.06 | SiDz | i dont want to recompile the same version, i want to recompile the dev one |
| 11:30.10 | SiDz | with same options |
| 11:30.23 | babilen | SiDz: And it looks as if you can just add it to either 1. DEB_CONFIGURE_mysql_FLAGS or 2. DEB_CONFIGURE_COMMON_FLAGS |
| 11:30.43 | babilen | SiDz: Have you upgraded the packaging with the new version already? |
| 11:31.04 | SiDz | sid and wheezy have the same version, no chanfix in that version |
| 11:31.07 | SiDz | im getting the svn |
| 11:31.11 | PeteB | sorry, if anyone replied to my calendaring question, I lost my Internet connection so missed it |
| 11:31.17 | SiDz | i just dont get the ./configure options used |
| 11:31.24 | SiDz | dont get/understand |
| 11:31.27 | babilen | SiDz: Has that version been released? (i.e. the version with chanfix) |
| 11:31.39 | SiDz | nope its only in svn |
| 11:31.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell SiDz about debian/rules |
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| 11:33.14 | babilen | SiDz: Well, it'll be tricky then and I don't have time (right now) to familiarise myself with ratbox' packaging. You can probably export/create a tarball from svn (pretend that it is a release) and then use uupdate to update the source package (/msg dpkg uupdate) -- I am also surprised that you are *still* working on this btw :) |
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| 11:33.40 | SiDz | yeah i should do that |
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| 11:33.47 | SiDz | but id prefer to install it manualy |
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| 11:34.02 | babilen | SiDz: What do you mean by manually? |
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| 11:34.19 | SiDz | from source. |
| 11:34.22 | ddyfr | !list |
| 11:34.22 | dpkg | ddyfr: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:34.27 | SiDz | not using dpkg |
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| 11:35.08 | babilen | SiDz: What does that have to do with Debian then? (just do it and make sure that it ends up in /usr/local -- for extra admin points use stow to manage that installation to /usr/local (/msg dpkg stow)) |
| 11:35.26 | Latka_Gravas | darmok and jalad at tanagra |
| 11:35.55 | babilen | hands Latka_Gravas a falling wall and bids him/her to play somewhere else |
| 11:35.56 | SiDz | im trying to read the rules file that is what related to debian |
| 11:37.00 | babilen | SiDz: The rules files is used during the package build. You do not want to build a package and therefore shouldn't concern yourself with Debian's packaging *at all* -- Just build ratpoison according to instructions from upstream and install it to /usr/local and be done with it. |
| 11:37.44 | babilen | SiDz: debian/rules is not simply a Makefile on speed that you can use to build any software outside the Debian packaging system |
| 11:38.14 | SiDz | yeah ive asked some week ago about that but havent fixed it |
| 11:38.18 | SiDz | im trying to now |
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| 11:39.49 | babilen | SiDz: Well, ask in #ratpoison for build instructions if they don't provide an INSTALL or README file that discusses the process already |
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| 11:59.32 | Kakila | babilen: sorry, would you suggest me a way to diagnose these freezes I am suffering? |
| 11:59.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps what package do i need to convert from pdf to ebok? |
| 11:59.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | for de kindle.. |
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| 12:00.59 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: I am not sure about Kindle, but look at calibre |
| 12:01.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 12:03.00 | boudiccas | yesterday, this wheezy box *forgot* its iptables rules and dumped me back to the dedfault ones. the only way i know to get *my* rules back is by rebooting, but is there another way for the future use please? |
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| 12:04.34 | babilen | boudiccas: "iptables-restore < /path/to/your/rules" |
| 12:04.46 | boudiccas | babilen: ah, thanks |
| 12:05.12 | babilen | boudiccas: (assuming you saved them with "iptables-save > /path/to/your/rules" first) |
| 12:05.40 | boudiccas | babilen: how do i know what *my* rules are called please? i use 'ipkungfu' to generate them, and then just use them |
| 12:07.02 | Walex | boudiccas: you can't "just use them"... They just get loaded in the running system. |
| 12:07.04 | babilen | boudiccas: I have absolutely no idea and never used ipkungfu... That being said: All those frontends simply configure iptables and you should still be able to use iptables-{save,restore}. You should make sure that ipkungfu *does not* tinker with the rules at all after you saved the rules though. |
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| 12:07.38 | Walex | boudiccas: unless 'ipkungfu' does its own service start/stop handling, which it does not seem to do. |
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| 12:07.58 | babilen | boudiccas: I always used iptables directly and never had the need to use one of the frontends. Does ipkungfu come with its own init script? |
| 12:08.56 | boudiccas | babilen: yes |
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| 12:08.58 | Walex | Kakila: intel driver freezes? Consider installing backported kernel 3.2.0 |
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| 12:09.29 | Walex | Kakila: if you are running 6/Squeeze that is. Else disable fancy graphics stuff, in particular GLX and/or compositing. |
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| 12:09.42 | babilen | boudiccas: Well, then you probably shouldn't use iptables-{save,restore} directly. |
| 12:09.49 | boudiccas | babilen: okay, i'll do a *locate ipkungfi' and see what happens |
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| 12:11.05 | bniels | boudiccas, try running ipkungfu's initscript then. service ipkungfu start |
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| 12:11.38 | looka | i have a problem related to dual head. internal monitor on laptop(the one that's not connected to vga port) seems to change brigntness to black. i'm using opensource ati (and fglrx drivers same results) |
| 12:11.56 | looka | can someone help me out? |
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| 12:12.49 | Walex | looka: that would require psychic powers. All our psydvisors are busy on other astral planes :-) |
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| 12:13.37 | Kakila | Walex: I am running 7/Squeeze. would you have a pointer with instructions ot dissable fancy stuff? |
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| 12:14.14 | Kakila | Walex: btw, I called Asus today. They ask me to fill a form online. I filled 2, they have already asked one (about disabling IGPU) |
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| 12:14.40 | Walex | Kakila: ASUS won't know much about Linux/X11 issues... |
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| 12:16.53 | Walex | Kakila: in the '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' 'Extensions'. |
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| 12:19.31 | Kakila | Walex: Well, I got my computer from them |
| 12:20.33 | Kakila | Walex: I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I have folder /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 12:20.50 | Kakila | Walex: now empty since nvidia is no more |
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| 12:21.12 | ectospasm | I don't think one needs xorg.conf anymore |
| 12:21.31 | ectospasm | ...unless you're running a proprietary driver (nvidia, fglrx) |
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| 12:22.24 | bniels | or for configuring special input devices, that goes beyond what the desktop environment offers to configure |
| 12:22.42 | omid8bimo | hey. im getting too much of this err on my dmesg. does it matter? TCPv6: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Dropping request |
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| 12:23.43 | PaulFertser | Hi! Debian's code of conduct says "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied." But that sounds highly illogical and contrary to the other known mailing lists. If you press "group reply" answering to a mail, then the person whom you're answering is in To: and the list in Cc: it happens automatically in any MUA and it's the preferred method for e.g. ... |
| 12:23.49 | PaulFertser | ... LKML. |
| 12:23.52 | PaulFertser | What am i misunderstanding? |
| 12:24.06 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: If you are running a Webserver this would not be a good idea to me, as it would drop a customer's request |
| 12:24.51 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes its a webserver. i dont have ipv6 and i dont block anything from server. |
| 12:26.17 | nkuttler | PaulFertser: different strokes for different folks |
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| 12:26.41 | PaulFertser | nkuttler: eh, can you please elaborate a little? |
| 12:26.46 | p0g0 | PaulFertser: maybe you shouldn't reply to a group. |
| 12:26.58 | p0g0 | PaulFertser: pick an individual. |
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| 12:27.06 | Kakila | !tell Walex about xorg.conf |
| 12:27.50 | Kakila | Walex I will create a template as suggested in xorg config squeezy (though I am runnuing wheezy) |
| 12:28.01 | PaulFertser | p0g0: that doesn't make sense to me. If i'm subscribed to a ML i receive mails from many different people. Then i want to answer one of the mails publically. I just press "group reply". Isn't that the usual way? |
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| 12:28.46 | nkuttler | PaulFertser: there is no usual way. mailing lists come in all kinds of different configurations |
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| 12:29.25 | PaulFertser | nkuttler: sorry, but i can't see it yet. I guess i'm familiar with only a single variation. |
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| 12:30.05 | p0g0 | PaulFertser: well, when I look at, say madwifi-devel (like latin, it's mostly dead), I can reply to madwifi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net and that puts the reply to the mailing list. |
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| 12:32.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i install calibre seems to be working.. freaking gui application sigh |
| 12:32.23 | PaulFertser | p0g0: yes, one can do that. But that's strange. When you press "reply" in your MUA you reply to the person who wrote the original mail so it's a private reply. When you press "group reply" then the CC list is copied from the original mail, so the list will get the reply to. What a person supposed to press in his MUA to get the list in To: ? |
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| 12:33.39 | bniels | PaulFertser, you can configure many MUAs to reply to the list specifically (when you press reply) |
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| 12:34.09 | nkuttler | PaulFertser: no, the list can set the reply-to to whatever it likes. and don't override list policy with your mua settings |
| 12:34.29 | PaulFertser | bniels: yes, but when might it be useful? Why configure MUA in a special way when you are just using a regular mailing list? |
| 12:34.31 | p0g0 | PaulFertser: I try to find the mailing list address itself, as I know the problems you are seeing- I don't want to CC, as that propogates email off-list (the sender is you, not the list server). |
| 12:34.47 | omid8bimo | anyone? im getting too much of this err on my dmesg. does it matter? TCPv6: Possible SYN flooding on port 80. Dropping request |
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| 12:35.32 | PaulFertser | nkuttler: i thought any mailing list that alters Reply-To header is misconfigured, as that breaks many assumptions about the email handling. |
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| 12:36.14 | PaulFertser | p0g0: usually ML software allows one to omit sending duplicate mails, so that doesn't seem to be an isuse |
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| 12:36.52 | nkuttler | p0g0: do you actually have a support question? |
| 12:36.55 | nkuttler | er |
| 12:37.01 | nkuttler | PaulFertser: do you actually have a support question? |
| 12:37.03 | p0g0 | nkuttler: me? no |
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| 12:40.15 | PaulFertser | nkuttler: yes, i want to understand how to properly use Debian's ML and the reasoning for the rules behind that. |
| 12:40.59 | Kakila | pointer to instructions how to disable "fancy stuff" unsing intel i915 driver? |
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| 12:43.41 | ChrisH | PaulFertser: the reason is, that some mailing list software does/did send 2 mails to the address being in to:,cc: and on the list-alias. second: some mail filtering gets confused; From our company mailing lists I know the mail duplication does no longer happen. |
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| 12:48.54 | WormFood | What can I use to read .epub files in debian stable? I aptitude search'ed, but didn't find anything obvious. |
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| 12:51.28 | Kakila | Walex: I tried Disabling "glx", but I get "glx will be loaded even though the default is to disable it" any idea? |
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| 12:51.39 | Kakila | WormFood: Not in debian, but have you check calibre? |
| 12:52.05 | ChrisH | WormFood: try calibre |
| 12:52.24 | formorer | and calibre is in debian |
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| 12:52.42 | WormFood | thanks guys. installing now |
| 12:53.50 | Kakila | formorer: oh, did not know, thanks |
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| 12:54.23 | formorer | but anyhow, for reading I would recommend fbreader |
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| 12:54.33 | formorer | it is a specialized ebookreader |
| 12:54.49 | formorer | http://www.fbreader.org/ (also in debian) |
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| 12:56.51 | SiDyo | im having a very weird probleme |
| 12:56.53 | Kakila | anybody knows about Wheezy (kernel 3.4) issues with Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller? I get random freezes (specially when I load the CPUs!), anyway to debug those freezes? I see nothing in syslog, kernel log or Xorg.0.log |
| 12:56.53 | SiDyo | root@DonSiD:~# su SiD |
| 12:56.54 | SiDyo | bash: /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion: Permission denied |
| 12:57.22 | SiDyo | i can't almost run anything on /usr/bin |
| 12:58.01 | Kakila | formorer: I guess one can configure calibre to launch fbreader when vieweing |
| 12:58.12 | formorer | probably, yes |
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| 12:58.55 | SiDyo | i tryed to install ircd-ratbox manually |
| 12:59.16 | SiDyo | wasnt working, so i removed everything and installed it back with apt-get |
| 12:59.25 | SiDyo | but now the init.d isnt working |
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| 12:59.30 | SiDyo | permission denied |
| 12:59.50 | SiDyo | also having permission denied on /usr/share/bash-completion |
| 13:00.02 | SiDyo | it look like it modifier /usr/ permission |
| 13:00.04 | SiDyo | got it i think |
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| 13:03.27 | Kakila | also, when I remove gdm3 and use startx Xorg.0.log says "falling back to old probe method fro vesa" and the desktop starts in failsafe mode |
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| 13:06.49 | Kakila | I still do not know if it is a driver problem, a kernel problem or a probkem with gdm3. Can anybody give em a hand to diagnose? |
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| 13:09.23 | woshty | what line would i add an additional mouse to a server layout? what does corepointer mean? |
| 13:15.44 | reels | Hi, in debian (and ubuntu) sscanf with '%a' does not work correctly. Here is how I expect it to work: http://ideone.com/jvaHS2 but the output is http://paste.debian.net/214091/ . Is this a known problem ? |
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| 13:18.05 | cm13g09 | reels: that looks like a bug.... |
| 13:18.10 | cm13g09 | but not in debian |
| 13:18.18 | cm13g09 | in libc... |
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| 13:19.17 | reels | cm13g09, where should I report it ? bugs.debian.org or to eglibc directly ? |
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| 13:19.39 | cm13g09 | I would suggest initially on the debian bugs page |
| 13:19.48 | cm13g09 | but it may have to go upstream |
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| 13:20.28 | reels | okay. I will report it to debian bugs page. Thanks, cm13g09. |
| 13:20.48 | cm13g09 | reels: that said.... |
| 13:21.08 | cm13g09 | it turns out that the "a" flag is a non-standard extension anyway |
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| 13:21.21 | reels | that is right, cm13g09 |
| 13:21.37 | reels | but gcc does not give any warnings. |
| 13:21.46 | reels | even with -Wall -Wextra flags |
| 13:21.50 | Nik05 | reels what version of libc? |
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| 13:22.35 | reels | Nik05, I tested it on current-live cd: eglibc 2.11.3-4 |
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| 13:22.51 | cm13g09 | reels: Also worth noting http://osdir.com/ml/debian.devel.glibc/2004-12/msg00187.html before reporting the bug |
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| 13:23.29 | cm13g09 | I don't know what happened as a result - but it looks like they dropped the a flag for it was confusing. |
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| 13:24.56 | reels | cm13g09, okay. But I would expect a warning at least. That %a expects a double and char** is given... |
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| 13:25.09 | cm13g09 | yeah - I'd agree on that front |
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| 13:26.37 | reels | cm13g09, should I report the package the bug belongs to as libc ? or gcc ? |
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| 13:27.24 | cm13g09 | probably libc still - I'd suggest - but then it could be a gcc issue... |
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| 13:27.44 | cm13g09 | unfortunately, I have to head off to work - so I can't give any more assistance right now |
| 13:28.19 | reels | okay, thanks cm13g09 |
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| 13:29.23 | roaet | Howdy. Is anyone familiar with how to to ssh into the preseed, or install, environment? I do not wish to install by ssh, I just want to look around the environment before it reboots and I lose /target. |
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| 13:29.51 | abrotman | roaet: why not just ctrl-alt-f3 or whichever it is and use the shell? |
| 13:30.16 | roaet | abrotman: the box is running in xenserver and I only have access to hvc0 |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:30.30 | zinx | roaet: you can chroot in to it |
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| 13:30.44 | roaet | zinx: how do I do that? |
| 13:30.52 | zinx | roaet: nothing is running from the actual install environment, however, so you can't directly ssh in to it |
| 13:30.56 | zinx | roaet: by using chroot. |
| 13:31.26 | folivora | Gday, I've got a problem with gnome+openvpn, when I import my configuration and enable it... When trying to choose the current configuration to make a vpn connetion it is greyed.. I can see that it is on the list but I cant use it |
| 13:31.33 | roaet | zinx: I remotely follow what chroot does... I just don't know how to do it from another machine. |
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| 13:32.14 | zinx | roaet: you use another peice of software |
| 13:32.27 | zinx | roaet: i.e., the debian installer can give you a shell, i think :/ |
| 13:32.41 | zinx | roaet: if you can't get to a shell on it, there's not much you can do. |
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| 13:42.53 | dpkg | greycat: i don't know |
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| 13:43.45 | greycat | What does "No EFI partition was found. Go back to the menu and resume partitioning?" mean during the wheezy installer? |
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| 13:44.49 | greycat | The fact that I'm *in the middle of an OS install* means it's really damned hard to look up totally new things. |
| 13:45.58 | boudiccas | is it possible to concantenate apt-get commands like thsi please .. 'apt-get remove mason install firestarter |
| 13:46.00 | boudiccas | ' ? this fails due to it looking for a package called 'install' |
| 13:46.58 | roaet | boudiccas: could you try using semicolons? |
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| 13:47.12 | roaet | or booleans? |
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| 13:47.22 | boudiccas | roaet: how so? |
| 13:47.23 | roaet | apt-get install mason && apt-get install firestarter |
| 13:47.31 | roaet | replace && with ; |
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| 13:47.47 | boudiccas | k, i see, thanks. i'l have aplay |
| 13:47.52 | roaet | the && makes it conditional, if mason is not installed it will fail. |
| 13:47.57 | roaet | you could do silly stuff like |
| 13:48.14 | roaet | ( apt-get install mason || true ) && apt-get install firestarter |
| 13:48.32 | boudiccas | roaet: but you're not reading what i said, i want to REMOVE mason and install firestarter |
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| 13:48.41 | roaet | ignore install, |
| 13:48.43 | roaet | put remove |
| 13:48.52 | roaet | my bad, typed too fast. |
| 13:49.01 | roaet | I rarely remove things.. so it's kneejerk to type apt-get install |
| 13:49.26 | roaet | apt-get remove mason && apt-get install firestarter |
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| 13:49.39 | roaet | or apt-get remove mason; apt-get install firestarter |
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| 13:50.09 | roaet | the && and ; are not features of apt, but features of the shell |
| 13:50.34 | bniels | boudiccas, apt-get install firestarter -mason |
| 13:50.36 | greycat | I thought there was some syntax like "apt-get install foo bar -junk" but I can't find it in the man page. |
| 13:50.48 | bniels | boudiccas, the - in front of the package name removes the package instead of installing it |
| 13:50.50 | roaet | and that works even ebtter! |
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| 13:52.04 | bniels | boudiccas, ah, wait, my bad, it's apt-get install firestartet mason- |
| 13:52.08 | boudiccas | roaet: much to my suprise and delight, this worked ''. thanks |
| 13:52.16 | bniels | boudiccas, the dash goes to the end of the package |
| 13:52.32 | boudiccas | apt-get remove mason && apt-get install firestarter |
| 13:52.35 | greycat | bniels: where is this documented? It's very hard to find - in a man page. Millions of hits.... |
| 13:52.41 | babilen | bniels: ITYM "apt-get install firestarter mason-" |
| 13:52.49 | bniels | greycat, i think under install |
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| 13:52.57 | anddam | hi |
| 13:53.11 | greycat | bniels: oh, "hyphen". I had also searched for "minus" .... |
| 13:53.17 | babilen | bniels: Read "man aptitude" → COMMAND-LINE ACTIONS → install |
| 13:53.37 | babilen | s/bniels/greycat/ |
| 13:53.57 | greycat | reading man aptitude to find switches for apt-get would be even less intuitive |
| 13:54.20 | babilen | greycat: Not sure where it is documented for apt-get -- I picked it up while using aptitude |
| 13:54.39 | greycat | babilen: as bniels indicated, it's under "install", search for keyword "hyphen" to find it. |
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| 13:55.37 | roaet | boudiccas: it is better to do what bniels menioned |
| 13:55.39 | roaet | mentioned |
| 13:55.48 | roaet | my trick will fail if you do not have mason installed. |
| 13:55.52 | greycat | EFI? ELILO? What *is* all this nonsense? |
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| 13:55.56 | greycat | dpkg: elilo |
| 13:55.56 | dpkg | greycat: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:56.04 | greycat | YES, UNFORTUNATELY! I am trying not to, though! |
| 13:56.14 | greycat | But I am being bombarded by new acronyms! |
| 13:56.15 | babilen | greycat: I don't see the aptitude syntax documented there. (i.e. "apt-get install rhythmbox-" to remove rhythmbox) |
| 13:56.15 | wols | !hug greycat |
| 13:56.15 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around greycat |
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| 13:56.48 | greycat | "ELILO, the IA-64 boot loader, requires a partition containing a FAT file system...." ?!? |
| 13:57.27 | babilen | greycat: Welcome to the wonderful new world of EFI and GPT -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 13:57.45 | bniels | greycat, EFI is a new way to have firmware installed on your system. (similar to BIOS). EFI systems usually boot from GPT partitioned disks, while BIOS systems usually boot from MBR partitioned disks |
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| 13:58.26 | greycat | So, what do I need to DO to my PARTITION TABLE? |
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| 13:58.45 | greycat | I shrunk the NTFS partition and I made a swap partition and an ext4 (/) partition, and WHAM! This! |
| 13:59.07 | babilen | greycat: Ok, I guess that you are installing on new hardware that happens to be booting in EFI mode? |
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| 13:59.36 | greycat | I have no idea. I put the DVD in the drive, booted it, selected text mode installer, and tried to partition the disk in the same way I've always done before. |
| 13:59.48 | babilen | greycat: Is that new hardware that you haven't used before? |
| 13:59.55 | babilen | (for Debian that is) |
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| 14:00.07 | greycat | It is the new work computer that was delivered to my desk Friday afternoon with Windows on it. |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | ia64? |
| 14:00.18 | sussudio | greycat: if it's a newer harddisk, it's probably "advanced format" (4K instead of 512B sectors) and it will no longer boot with normal tools because the sectors are all wrong. |
| 14:00.26 | aicasn-V | what's the average uptime of a well-maintained debian server? |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | thought windows for itanium was already dead |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | aicasn-V: irrelevan |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | t |
| 14:00.39 | greycat | aicasn-V: however long it is between kernel security updates |
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| 14:01.23 | babilen | greycat: Do you want to keep Windows on it? FWIW, you can most likely still use MBR + BIOS if you want that, but you would have to boot the installer in non-efi mode for that. That option is typically hidden in the BIOS somehwere. |
| 14:01.40 | greycat | Yes, I must keep Windows on it. I shrunk the NTFS partition which was the only partition on the thing. |
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| 14:02.55 | babilen | greycat: I tried to manually partition for GPT/EFI, but failed to do so even after reading a lot of documentation. The guided partitioner gets it right, but you can't use that if you want to keep Windows. FWIW, IIRC you need at least three partitions for that to work. One is a small fat one ... hang on ... lets try to find reasonable information. |
| 14:02.58 | aicasn-V | greycat: and is it recommended to have a set time each week to do the kernel patching + reboot, or should it be done ASAP? iow, if wednesday at 3AM is the established downtime and the kernel update comes out wednesday evening, it is usually something that can wait until next wednesday so as not to inconvenience users? |
| 14:03.36 | greycat | aicasn-V: that totally depends on your system, your users, and your schedule |
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| 14:04.32 | Kakila | When running startx I see "(WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa" and "(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev" What does it mean? I haven't got any freeze when running startx but desktop is in failsafe mode |
| 14:04.33 | babilen | greycat: it might also be possible to boot Windows from MBR, but I have no idea about that. I opted to stick with MBR on my new box for now as I know this format by heart. |
| 14:04.49 | babilen | greycat: Is it Windows 8? |
| 14:05.27 | Walex | Kakila: depends on which driver takes effect. 'vesa' and 'fbdev' are generic drivers, which are therefore slow-ish. |
| 14:06.00 | Kakila | Walex: I see Intel driver loading but also VESa and FBDEv, should they? |
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| 14:06.18 | Kakila | Walex: do you want to check my log? |
| 14:06.25 | greycat | babilen: it is windows XP professional, on a computer with a Windows 7 sticker on it. No, I am not kidding. |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | aicasn-V: you should subscribe to the DSA so you know when you'll have to reboot |
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| 14:07.37 | wols | greycat: something is fishy then. XP cannot boot from UEFI or GPT |
| 14:07.58 | Kakila | Walex: http://pastie.org/5473092 |
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| 14:08.12 | aicasn-V | abrotman: about how often do kernel patches get released? i'm sure it varies from patch to patch, but please give me an average time |
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| 14:08.16 | Walex | Kakila: the default Xorg actions are to try one after another some drivers to see which works, in order of decreasing hardware specificity |
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| 14:08.46 | Kakila | Walex: but I do not see Intel failing, do you see it? |
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| 14:09.14 | Walex | Kakila: no, indeed it works. The others were just loaded, not activated |
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| 14:09.39 | Kakila | Walex: Ok, so far not freezes, but the desktop load in failsafe mode |
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| 14:10.03 | abrotman | aicasn-V: as needed .. see the DSA archives for a better idea |
| 14:10.05 | Walex | Kakila: it does not seem like failsafe mode, it is enabling all stuff. |
| 14:10.08 | Kakila | Walex: when i use gdm3 I get the freezes and I do not see this falling back messages |
| 14:10.09 | abrotman | aicasn-V: security.debian.org |
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| 14:11.00 | Walex | Kakila: I also note that it is booting with 3.2.0 kernel, wich is good (I found the 2.6.32 kernel was not so good on recent Intel GPUs) |
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| 14:11.42 | Kakila | Walex: There is a big difference between what I experience now and with gdm3, for example "Super" key doesn't work and all fonts are really big. Also the panel shows Applications and places and it looks like the old menu (Squeeze gnome) when you click it |
| 14:12.59 | Walex | Kakila: that's curious because at least the fonts should be right regardless. Peculiar |
| 14:13.27 | Walex | Kakila: that the log seems to say is that a totally empty or missing 'xorg.conf' should work |
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| 14:13.47 | Kakila | Walex: where can I see how gdm3 is starting X? |
| 14:14.17 | Kakila | Walex: I do not have xorg.conf but I have xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf with Section Module Disable glx (you can see it is ignoring my default settings) |
| 14:14.25 | greycat | wols: then it must be booting from MBR. |
| 14:14.31 | greycat | wols: so, can I just make regular swap and ext4 partitions and ignore this "No EFI partition was found" thing? |
| 14:14.41 | Kakila | Walex: in like 54 |
| 14:14.41 | babilen | greycat: What does "fdisk -l /dev/sdX" give you for the device in question? |
| 14:15.01 | Kakila | Walex: /like/line |
| 14:15.24 | Walex | Kakila: Kakila then you should not have problems previously. Unless GDM3 is using some advanced X features that triggers a bug in the X server |
| 14:15.35 | greycat | babilen: normal-looking fdisk output, 1 disk, 30401 cylinders, 1 partition |
| 14:15.58 | wols | greycat: you should be able to, yes |
| 14:16.01 | greycat | but now that Debian has shrunk the NTFS partition the "end" number looks much larger than expected (sector number instead of cylinder??) |
| 14:16.05 | babilen | greycat: No, you definitely need to boot the installer in MBR mode then (probably some option in the BIOS) -- But we should figure out first if your disk uses MBR or GPT -- Tools such as gdisk and fdisk should tell you (gdisk would offer to convert *to* GPT when run as "gdisk /dev/sdX") -- Sorry for not having memorised all the GPT commands already :) |
| 14:16.10 | Kakila | Walex: that is my current hypothesis, so do you know where I can se how gdm3 is calling the X? Also, I do not know if this is important but also xfce freezes with gdm3 |
| 14:16.11 | babilen | greycat: May I see it? |
| 14:16.17 | Walex | Kakila: the GDM3 config is under '/etc/gdm3/' but how it starts X is a bit complicated. |
| 14:16.38 | greycat | babilen: I would have to type it all by hand into a text file, reading it from teh other monitor... |
| 14:17.03 | babilen | greycat: Is the partition type code? |
| 14:17.14 | babilen | greycat: err, "what is the" :) |
| 14:17.17 | Kakila | Walex: ok, I see all this :X.log is that a log per display? I am using vt 7, I guess |
| 14:17.23 | Walex | Kakila: for the sake of experimentation, put "none" in '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' so you can just login to console and start stuff from there. |
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| 14:17.33 | greycat | babilen: under System it says HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 14:17.38 | Walex | Kakila: the logs are per "$DISPLAY" not per VT. |
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| 14:18.06 | babilen | greycat: Ok. Does "gdisk /dev/sdX" offer you to convert the disk *to* GPT? (don't do it if it does!) |
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| 14:18.23 | Walex | Kakila: there is a "$DISPLAY" on each VT/console but they normally have different numbers. |
| 14:18.34 | greycat | gdisk: not found |
| 14:18.41 | Kakila | Walex: Yes, I have it with false already. That is how I am running startx. I noticed that the sole existence of the file cancels the dm. |
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| 14:19.02 | Kakila | Walex: ok, I am checking... there was a way to know in which display is the X... checking |
| 14:19.10 | babilen | greycat: You might have to install gdisk if it is not shipped with your live CD -- If it is indeed MBR you have to check your BIOS if you can configure your system to boot in MBR/legacy mode first or only ... |
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| 14:19.12 | bniels | greycat, the notion of "cylinders" has no real meaning. the repartioning may have changed how it divides the disk up into virtual cylinders |
| 14:19.26 | greycat | babilen: it is the wheezy amd64 beta 4 net install CD image |
| 14:19.34 | Walex | Kakila: that is sort of wrong, 'gdm3' should be in that file for 'gdm3' to startup. |
| 14:20.03 | Walex | is annoyed by the annoying scheme Debian uses for X startup selection. |
| 14:20.05 | greycat | babilen: it booted WinXP just fine, so maybe it's *already* configured to boot in MBR mode? |
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| 14:20.51 | zinx | bniels: general partitioning doesn't change that, but some partitioning schemes do include that information |
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| 14:21.25 | zinx | bniels: fwiw, the drive is what reports its geometry |
| 14:21.30 | babilen | greycat: Not quite sure if there is another way to test the disk. It might be that the plain possibility to use fdisk suggests that it is MBR. That would mean that you simply started the installer in EFI/GPT mode and would like to start it in BIOS/MBR mode. Try to find the corresponding option in your BIOS and check if you can still boot Windows after having changed it to "legacy only" "mbr only" "loegacy first" or whatever it is called in yours |
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| 14:22.15 | Kakila | Walex: ok, I look in to /etc/gdm3 there is a daemon.conf and a link to Xsessino and a greeter.gsettings and other folders...what should I check? |
| 14:22.17 | babilen | greycat: It might be configured to *try* efi first and the Debian installer is therefore started in the wrong mode. This is all *very* new code and I haven't yet played with it enough to make authorative statements here :( |
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| 14:22.35 | Walex | Kakila: 'man gdm3' seems fairly clear to me... |
| 14:22.45 | babilen | greycat: And also: Are you sure that it is ia64 (a titanium box) ? |
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| 14:23.12 | greycat | It's amd64 not ia64. |
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| 14:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: itanium |
| 14:23.47 | greycat | this is not an itanium. it's just an amd64 box. |
| 14:23.48 | Walex | Kakila: and '/usr/share/doc/gdm3/README.Debian' has a lot more details |
| 14:23.55 | roaet | woot! Got SSH into debian installer. awesome. Thanks |
| 14:24.03 | Kakila | Walex: reading, thanks! |
| 14:24.19 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: yes, hehe :) |
| 14:24.24 | babilen | hah |
| 14:24.25 | greycat | babilen: so, do I need to reboot the installer and look for some option to start it in some weird mode? |
| 14:24.29 | Walex | greycat: the references to Itanium stuff you have seen happen because EFI was the native booter on Itaniums IIRC |
| 14:25.06 | babilen | greycat: No, I think that happens automagically if in "legacy only" mode. Did you find the corresponding BIOS option? |
| 14:25.30 | greycat | *sigh* so I should reboot and comb through the BIOS looking for options tehre... |
| 14:25.43 | babilen | Walex: It was about "titanium" vs "itanium" -- my muscle memory played tricks with me |
| 14:25.51 | greycat | aborts the install and tries... |
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| 14:26.10 | bniels | zinx, that's not completely true. linux chooses the virtual geometry of the disk based on the current partition layout, too |
| 14:26.10 | Walex | babilen: I know the feeling... |
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| 14:26.36 | Walex | greycat: you are in a maze of little BIOS options, all alike |
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| 14:26.53 | zinx | bniels: huh? |
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| 14:28.07 | babilen | greycat: You could also find a waterproof way to check if your disk is in MBR or in GPT mode. Using gdisk is *one* way I am aware of but you would need a live CD that actually comes with it (or lets you install it) |
| 14:28.18 | bniels | zinx, yes. try it. repartition a disk and choose cylinder boundaries that differ from what is reported. then reboot the system. you will see that the kernel will choose a different CHS layout. but since the notion of cylinders has no physical meaning anymore, it doesn't matter at all |
| 14:28.25 | babilen | greycat: I am sure there is a better way, but I don't know that by heart |
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| 14:28.51 | jhutchins_wk | iirc EFI was originally on IBM PPC systems. |
| 14:28.56 | babilen | yeah |
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| 14:29.43 | greycat | Hmm, this BIOS only lets me "drag" Legacy Boot Sources around within the Legacy Boot Sources subsection, not up into the EFI Boot Sources subsection |
| 14:29.54 | zinx | bniels: i've never seen it choose anything different. |
| 14:30.23 | zinx | bniels: as stated though, some partitioning schemes /do/ have the CHS in the partition table |
| 14:30.38 | zinx | bniels: the standard MS-DOS one is an example |
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| 14:30.50 | zinx | bniels: and, perhaps the kernel does read that info, but it's sorta pointless |
| 14:30.53 | greycat | babilen: is it OK if I just boot the installer in Legacy Boot mode, rather than try to permanently change the BIOS? |
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| 14:30.59 | Kakila | Walex: it is ok to show /var/log/gdm3/:0.log? I need to be sudo to look at that. |
| 14:31.08 | greycat | because... apparently I cannot permanently change the BIOS |
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| 14:32.05 | babilen | greycat: So the setting is EFI/GPT mode (only/first) ? |
| 14:32.21 | bniels | zinx, but that's what it does. CHS is pointless these days anyway |
| 14:32.23 | wolonga | using wheezy. i hv a a4-tech flexicam. driver used to be spca5xx. but its not in wheezy repo. what should the driver be now? |
| 14:32.25 | greycat | oh wait, I can disable the "EFI Boot Sources / ATAPI CD/DVD Drive" option. |
| 14:32.51 | babilen | greycat: I guess that it is OK, but can't be sure. It would really be nice to actually know if that disk is using GPT or MBR. Can't you boot a live CD and check with gdisk? |
| 14:33.14 | greycat | babilen: don't make me cry. |
| 14:33.28 | Walex | Kakila: yes... |
| 14:33.32 | greycat | I am going to try to reboot the installer DVD now, in "Legacy" mode. |
| 14:33.33 | babilen | !comfort greycat |
| 14:33.34 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:33.44 | babilen | greycat: Alright, hope that this will work out :) |
| 14:33.48 | greycat | Well, something definitely changed. The menu is different. |
| 14:33.57 | babilen | greycat: Ok, that is the right mode then! |
| 14:34.13 | babilen | greycat: Is it rather like the "normal"/"expected" menu? |
| 14:34.31 | greycat | saying things like "boot a live CD" when the machine I would use to CREATE such a live CD is not yet installed... that would be tear-inducing. |
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| 14:34.48 | Kakila | Walex: Ok, i will remove the default-display-manager file and reboot. I will wait for the freeze and then I will paste the log file of gdm3 |
| 14:34.52 | babilen | greycat: You don't have another linux disk around? |
| 14:34.57 | babilen | s/disk/box |
| 14:35.17 | greycat | Not physically connected. But yes, I could connect one if I have to. |
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| 14:35.58 | greycat | There, the partitioning thing didn't talk about EFI this time! |
| 14:36.12 | babilen | greycat: Anyway, it sounds as if you are on the right track. I would consider this a bug/problem with the installer btw (forcing GPT when started via EFI even if disk is using MBR) |
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| 14:36.49 | babilen | greycat: Would you mind filing a bugreport/installation report after you are done with the installation? |
| 14:37.26 | greycat | I will attempt to do so. |
| 14:38.18 | Walex | Kakila: what's the point of doing that? |
| 14:39.06 | Walex | Kakila: if GDM3 triggers a bug in the 'intel' KMS or X11 driver, too bad. You can't do anything about it. |
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| 14:42.21 | babilen | greycat: If you want you could also join #debian-boot (on irc.oftc.net) where I just asked about this (no reply yet though) |
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| 14:42.52 | babilen | greycat: But it sounds as if your disk is indeed in MBR mode and as if booting the installer in "legacy" mode fixed the issue. |
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| 14:46.57 | anddam | is cron service needed for system's periodic maintenance? |
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| 14:48.53 | Kakila | Walex: I can alsways report! |
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| 14:49.32 | Kakila | Walex: maybe is somethign simple that can be fixed, maybe it is something not simple that should be documented. |
| 14:49.51 | Kakila | Walex: also, aren't there other dms? |
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| 14:50.55 | anddam | also https://gist.github.com/4195451 why is it dealing with vzquota? |
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| 14:54.33 | Desproges | Hi, is that possible to forbid some package installation with apt/preferences ? |
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| 14:57.40 | wols | Desproges: you need to be root to install things. how can one forbid root to do something? maybe explain what you want to achieve and why? |
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| 14:59.54 | isoman2kx | how do I determine what drive is causing ata1.00 errors? |
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| 15:03.01 | Walex | Kakila: reporting bugs is indeed always a nice thing. |
| 15:03.16 | Walex | isoman2kx: look in 'dmesg' |
| 15:03.38 | Walex | isoman2kx: there are other ways, but that's usually quickest |
| 15:04.55 | anddam | isoman2kx: dmesg? |
| 15:05.09 | anddam | woops, missed Walex's line |
| 15:05.12 | Kakila | Walex: I would love to be able to fix them as well..but I can't |
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| 15:06.48 | jhutchins_wk | Kakila: You would be surprised what can be done by someone with a little ingenuity and a clear understanding of a problem. |
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| 15:08.11 | Kakila | jhutchins_wk: I been trying to get a clear understadning of the problem for more then 47 hours already |
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| 15:08.36 | Desproges | wols : a specific version of the package libapache2-mod-passenger is installed (managed by ruby/rvm), and I want to install a package that depends of it. As that package is managed by rvm, aptitude don't know it's already installed |
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| 15:10.20 | wols | !tell Desproges about equivs |
| 15:11.14 | Desproges | tell wols thanks you ;) |
| 15:12.05 | anddam | wols: any hint for me? is cron service needed by the system? |
| 15:12.31 | superlinux-hp | a joke: someone says: it's very cold!! brrr!!, his fellow: here! have this debian squeeze cd and bite on it. it says on the cd "squeeze! not freeze!" |
| 15:12.34 | superlinux-hp | :) |
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| 15:15.29 | isoman2kx | Walex: I can't see far back enoug with dmesg | tail |
| 15:15.30 | isoman2kx | is there another way? |
| 15:16.01 | wols | isoman2kx: /var/log/kern* |
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| 15:16.38 | isoman2kx | I'm a semi-linux newbie, what do I do with that command? cd into dir? |
| 15:16.56 | wols | anddam: it normally is yes. e.g. to periodically clean up /var/log for example and other things |
| 15:17.16 | wols | isoman2kx: it's a file. you can look at it in an editor or pager |
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| 15:19.20 | sacredchao | My / fs is full, and I used rm to delete really large multi-GB log files |
| 15:19.28 | sacredchao | but the space is not freed |
| 15:19.42 | greycat | If the writer still has the log file open, you'll need to stop and restart it. |
| 15:20.02 | sacredchao | ext3 filesystem, and it's breaking other parts of my system with / being full |
| 15:20.13 | greycat | Next time, to avoid that, you should truncate the log file instead of unlinking it. |
| 15:20.47 | formorer | greycat: restart the process that writes into the log |
| 15:21.07 | greycat | correct. |
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| 15:22.08 | sacredchao | greycat: writer? you mean text editor? |
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| 15:22.23 | formorer | ah it was for sacredchao |
| 15:22.25 | sacredchao | Or process that created the log in the first place? |
| 15:22.27 | greycat | sacredchao: some process is/was WRITING to that log file. Figure out which process that is, and kill it. |
| 15:22.49 | greycat | Next time, to avoid this situation, you should truncate the log file instead of rm-ing it. |
| 15:22.56 | formorer | lsof |grep -i deleted may help |
| 15:22.58 | greycat | You truncate a file by doing this: > filename |
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| 15:23.43 | themill | does truncating like that actually work? istr it doesn't for apache at least |
| 15:23.58 | greycat | It'll certainly remove all the contents of the file. |
| 15:24.45 | greycat | It may or may not confuse programs that have the file open for read+write in some weird way, but I can't imagine why apache would open a log file in any mode other than append. |
| 15:25.06 | themill | my recollection was that apache will then create a new file full of nulls or jibberish that has the same size as it used to have and then keep adding to it from the same byte offset |
| 15:25.26 | greycat | *shudder* |
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| 15:26.05 | themill | this might be only 10 years out of date information from apache 1.x of course ;) |
| 15:26.35 | greycat | In any case, the safest thing to do would be shut down the process that's writing to the file, then truncate it (do not remove it), then restart the process. |
| 15:26.44 | greycat | That way the logfile still exists with the correct permissions and everything. |
| 15:27.25 | greycat | Truncating the logfile without restarting the process is what you usually do in an emergency situation, where you can't cleanly stop it (due to lack of space), etc. |
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| 15:33.18 | greycat | How do I get ia32-libs to install on wheezy? |
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| 15:35.03 | greycat | *sigh* I should've done the i386 installer, probably... |
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| 15:37.57 | themill | greycat: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs |
| 15:38.05 | Kakila | no freeze so far? maybe going to nvidia and comming back solve a weird config issue.. I should say "solved at last" and wait for the crash |
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| 15:43.40 | greycat | themill: thanks |
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| 15:44.48 | anddam | wols: thanks |
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| 15:45.09 | anddam | and since I'm not using NFS (that I know of) I can disable portmap as well |
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| 15:46.27 | anddam | while reenabling cron |
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| 15:47.49 | anddam | what are default cron's start levels? |
| 15:48.06 | anddam | or can I reconfigure the package to restore its rc symlinks? |
| 15:48.15 | ChrisH | anddam: rpcinfo -p localhost ; will show if there are any registered RPC users on your system |
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| 15:50.08 | wiiguy | hello, si it porrible to write a line to a file from a bash script ? |
| 15:50.40 | wiiguy | what i meant was |
| 15:50.55 | wiiguy | hello, is it possible to write a line to a file from a bash script ? |
| 15:51.23 | anddam | wiiguy: digital dyslexia, and it is possible |
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| 15:52.08 | wiiguy | im trying to write this to fstab file > "/dev/sda1 /media/HDD vfat defaults 0 0" but i have no idea how |
| 15:52.08 | anddam | when reconfiguring cron package I get "dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package" |
| 15:52.12 | somiaj | wiiguy: default syntax allows both > and >> (which will take the output of a command and write it to the desired file), > overwrites the file, >> appends to the end of the file |
| 15:52.20 | needle | echo "text" >> file wiiguy |
| 15:52.22 | abrotman | wiiguy: are you sure you should be doing that then? |
| 15:52.47 | anddam | wiiguy: what will happen if there's already a /dev/sda1 line in fstab? |
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| 15:52.52 | wiiguy | abrotman im still testing stuff so i can figure everything out :) > but ty for teh convern :) |
| 15:52.53 | greycat | babilen: installation report sent. |
| 15:52.56 | needle | somiaj: aha :) |
| 15:53.04 | wiiguy | ty needle and somiaj |
| 15:53.31 | babilen | greycat: Wonderful -- The people in #debian-boot just discussed the matter and are waiting for it. |
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| 15:54.22 | somiaj | wiiguy: why are you trying to do that from bash and not just using a text editor. Note you have to be careful with > and >> when writting to files you don't have premisions to (such as /etc/fstab as a normal user) 'sudo echo foo > /etc/fstab' won't work, you need 'sudo sh -c "echo foo > /etc/fstab"' -- really for a case like fstab I suggest you just use your $EDITOR to modify it (unless you are very comfortable with bash syntax) |
| 15:55.27 | wiiguy | somiaj > im doing this from root > and im doing this on the raspberry pi(raspbmc) :$ since i need to rinstyall it sometimes |
| 15:55.30 | Yukikaze | which it seems he is not |
| 15:55.35 | wiiguy | i like to have a nice easy script |
| 15:56.27 | boudiccas | !raspberry pi |
| 15:56.27 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design for a tiny PC based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine on the Raspberry Pi but does not use its hardware floating point support. Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:56.29 | anddam | can someone help me reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636560 ? why was the bug archived? |
| 15:56.30 | mako_reactor | install gentoo |
| 15:56.32 | wiiguy | so all i can do is just try :) |
| 15:56.46 | anddam | s/was the bug/has the bug been/ |
| 15:56.52 | greycat | dpkg: ia32-libs is different in wheezy: see <http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#ia32libs> |
| 15:56.52 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:57.00 | anddam | wiiguy: you should really using ed then |
| 15:57.04 | greycat | I won't try to write an EFI factoid yet. |
| 15:57.11 | anddam | s/using/use/ |
| 15:57.14 | themill | greycat: actually, dpkg already knew about that |
| 15:57.34 | greycat | He didn't know about is as "ia32-libs" though, which is what I asked him about. |
| 15:58.09 | Yukikaze | mako_reactor: (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞ |
| 15:58.10 | themill | greycat: yeah, it had been added to some other odd-we-like-dashes factoids. I'll tidy later. |
| 15:58.17 | wiiguy | anddam ty for your concern but oif its fail i can just do a 10 min reinstall, and start all over :) |
| 15:58.45 | anddam | wiiguy: you mean rather than editing a file in the proper way? |
| 15:59.13 | mako_reactor | 私のたわごととペニスをしゃぶるしてくださいしてください |
| 15:59.14 | wiiguy | like i said i need to reinstall my rpi with every update or so |
| 15:59.23 | wiiguy | so yes i rather try to take the easy way |
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| 15:59.52 | anddam | wiiguy: check "greg's bashfaq" |
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| 16:00.00 | themill | wiiguy: what release of what distribution do you actually have installed there? |
| 16:00.15 | wiiguy | raspbmc based on raspbian > based on debian |
| 16:00.46 | greycat | wiiguy: the BashFAQ would be at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ |
| 16:00.52 | boudiccas | wiiguy: 'based on debian' but NOT ACTUALLY Debian then! |
| 16:01.01 | wiiguy | nope :( |
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| 16:01.18 | themill | wiiguy: if you're having problems with updates breaking things, you should talk to the people making your distribution then (not #debian) |
| 16:01.51 | wiiguy | themill im not having problems ... its just that i needed help with some commands |
| 16:01.57 | boudiccas | wiiguy: therefore not supopted here thene |
| 16:02.13 | greycat | wiiguy: if you're trying to write a bash script, then #bash is more appropriate |
| 16:02.20 | themill | wiiguy: well, it's still only debian we volunteer to help here in #debian. |
| 16:02.24 | boudiccas | supported |
| 16:02.44 | wiiguy | ah i see, still everyone ty for your help :) |
| 16:03.04 | wiiguy | and ty for the command, the link, and the direct to #bash :) |
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| 16:04.28 | greycat | How do I get df to show the root file system's device as /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/disk/by-uuid/blah so that df's output fits on a terminal again? |
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| 16:04.46 | greycat | I'd like it to be human-readable. :-/ |
| 16:05.03 | themill | anddam: the bug is archived because it got closed by one of the forcemerge commands (merging with #560317, I think). The bts isn't always as clear about this as it could be when it comes to forcemerge. |
| 16:05.28 | Yukikaze | mako_reactor: no thanks |
| 16:05.36 | anddam | themill: I've been through a couple links but I find it hard to follow if the issue has been solved or not |
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| 16:06.35 | anddam | themill: maybe 560317 is it, it says fixed in debconf 1.5.42 |
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| 16:06.49 | anddam | funny enough I'm on 1.5.36.1 and the bug was reported found in 1.5.41 |
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| 16:08.04 | babilen | greycat: Do you have the bug number already? |
| 16:08.15 | greycat | Bug#695048 (just arrived) |
| 16:08.25 | babilen | ta! |
| 16:08.41 | babilen | judd: bug #695048 |
| 16:08.42 | judd | Sorry, the requested bug was not found. |
| 16:08.58 | jelly | babilen: she's not THAT fast, sorry |
| 16:09.00 | anddam | just to make the user's workflow clear: I see that the bug is cleared in debconf 1.5.4, I go to PDO and check for debconf, I see 1.5.46 is in testing so I either switch to testing or check backports for debconf, eventually creating my backport if there's isn't one already |
| 16:09.03 | anddam | right? |
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| 16:09.22 | anddam | "judd"? |
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| 16:09.49 | babilen | jelly: *sniff* -- I was simply hoping for a link |
| 16:10.02 | neon__ | how to setup sound? |
| 16:10.09 | themill | babilen: that's what client-side rewriting is for |
| 16:10.11 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/695048 |
| 16:10.25 | babilen | greycat: yeah, I managed that as well |
| 16:10.29 | babilen | :) |
| 16:10.34 | jelly | babilen: xchat gives me http://bugs.debian.org/695048 every time a schmuck writed #\d{5,6} in |
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| 16:10.36 | jelly | here. |
| 16:10.38 | themill | babilen: judd only gets bug data 3 or 4 times per day (yes, cron is involved but only in polling for updates, not necessarily in finding them) |
| 16:11.03 | anddam | dpkg isn't answering to me, can anyone confirm this? |
| 16:11.05 | dpkg | anddam: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:11.12 | neon__ | i hear something, but very low volume, the main control doesn't affect it |
| 16:11.38 | anddam | now it is |
| 16:11.49 | babilen | jelly: Oh, that is wonderful. I should see if that can be done in irssi. But then I remember that I would have to use Perl for that and .. well .. abandon the idea. |
| 16:12.05 | confusid | Can I have my wlan0 listen and have all traffic that connects to wlan0 then be allowed to go threw ppp0? I want to make a "hotspot" so need dns also. |
| 16:12.47 | neon__ | ok got uit |
| 16:13.02 | neon__ | except left channel is stronger than right |
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| 16:16.30 | neon__ | you got to see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo |
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| 16:22.26 | babilen | neon__: Please take it elsewhere (e.g. #defocus or #debian-offtopic) please |
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| 16:22.54 | neon__ | sorry |
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| 16:33.00 | Walex | babilen: most likely IRSSI has got a ready-made plugin for expansions |
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| 16:33.15 | Walex | confusid: your terminology is not quite right... |
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| 16:33.54 | ncc | WHat package do I install for the high contrast gtk theme? |
| 16:34.04 | Walex | confusid: you want to turn your system into a router/gateway, where traffic from some interfaces can be forwarded to other interfaces |
| 16:34.11 | ncc | I tried searching. |
| 16:35.12 | Walex | confusid: there are many web pages on the details of what to enable to allow a system to act as a router/gateway in general, and specifically a WiFi router/gateway. |
| 16:35.26 | confusid | Walex: yes, have people connect to my wifi then get dns and use the ppo0 3g card for internet. |
| 16:35.35 | confusid | will google. |
| 16:35.50 | Walex | confusid: but please note that for full hotspot activity you need a WiFi card that can become an access point, and not many do that. |
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| 16:36.41 | Walex | confusid: unless you already have an AP, and you want traffic to go first to the AP and then to the Debian system acting as a PPP router/gateway |
| 16:36.46 | babilen | Walex: trigger.pl to the rescue3~ |
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| 16:37.18 | needle | confusid: for PPP access you would need a to setup RADIUS server, to assign to different networks (internet,trusted-LAN etc) you would need 802.1X protocol additionally |
| 16:37.19 | Walex | babilen: ahhh interesting, I have just started using IRSSI |
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| 16:37.51 | Walex | was going to look for expansion plugin soon :-) |
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| 16:38.03 | babilen | Walex: Take a look at http://ossowicki.com/?p=102 it discusses most plugins that I deem essential |
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| 16:52.29 | BW^- | by some unknown reason, my root partition became full: /dev/mapper/debian-root 20G 19G 0 100% / |
| 16:52.40 | BW^- | : at the same time, when i'm in the root and i do du -h --max-depth=0 to show the size of all files in the entire FS, I get 2.7GB. how can this go together, 19G shown as consumed but only 2.7G files in there??? |
| 16:52.48 | greycat | Did you rm a file? |
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| 16:53.01 | BW^- | greycat a bunch of them but they were not opened by any process |
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| 16:54.15 | BW^- | greycat: how come? |
| 16:54.34 | greycat | because people very often rm a logfile that's still being written to, when they should have truncated it instead |
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| 16:58.54 | gniks | hey guys, i'm writing an init script to mount some glusterfs volumes on boot, but i need the init script to run before the apache2 init script, i can't seem to find what i'm looking for in google, does anyone know the proper way to write the init script to ensure it runes before apache2? |
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| 16:59.37 | mallxs | hi folks, manual says i fhave to start gns3 as root to connect it to my tap0 device ... can't i just chmod the device for world ? |
| 17:00.03 | mallxs | and so yes .. where do i find that tap0 device ? |
| 17:00.17 | damacus | gniks: if you're writing proper init scripts, add your script to the required-start for apache |
| 17:00.53 | gniks | damacus: hmm, i was hoping to avoid that, don't want that to get blown away with an apache2 update |
| 17:00.54 | damacus | or manually change the sequence numbner in the rcx.d directory |
| 17:01.29 | damacus | it wouldnt overwrite your locally modified version |
| 17:01.38 | damacus | and it's only a single word in the top of the file |
| 17:01.39 | greycat | *headdesk* ... no xlockmore |
| 17:01.51 | gniks | damacus: alright cool |
| 17:02.27 | gniks | damacus: so if i named the script "glusterfs" i'd just add $glusterfs to the Required-Start line yeah? |
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| 17:03.17 | greycat | dpkg: xlock |
| 17:03.18 | dpkg | somebody said xlock was a tool that locks your X session until you enter your password. Think of any use for such a program for yourself. |
| 17:03.57 | damacus | gniks: without the $ |
| 17:04.08 | needle | gniks: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 17:04.16 | gniks | damacus: ah, thanks for your help |
| 17:04.28 | gniks | thanks needle |
| 17:04.44 | damacus | look at the README and skeleton file in /etc/init.d |
| 17:04.44 | damacus | np |
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| 17:05.40 | boudiccas | greycat: have a look at 'slock' which is what i think is in 'slock-utilities' |
| 17:05.56 | BW^- | greycat: right..hm |
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| 17:07.35 | Datz | Hi, I created a new user recently, and it seems as they do not have full access to the network. I have to run as root to ping (use dns specifically) it appears. Any ideas? |
| 17:07.36 | greycat | I don't see an slock or an slock-utilities, but I do see an i3lock which says it's "like slock"... my god, this is depressing. |
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| 17:08.13 | somiaj | greycat: suckless-tools, seems to be a bunch of simple x tools |
| 17:08.17 | boudiccas | greycat: i use slock wioth lxde on wheezy, works very well |
| 17:08.36 | greycat | boudiccas: package name? |
| 17:08.42 | somiaj | there is also xlockmore and xscreensaver if you want a screensaver type locker |
| 17:08.45 | somiaj | greycat: suckless-tools |
| 17:08.47 | greycat | there is no xlockmore. |
| 17:08.56 | themill | greycat: suckless-tools |
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| 17:09.00 | greycat | It's only in sid. It hasn't been in a released version of debian in god knows how long. |
| 17:09.11 | themill | xlockmore isn't even in sid |
| 17:09.24 | somiaj | ahh, I haven't used it in years, didn't realize that it got phased out |
| 17:09.25 | themill | ,bug 690891 |
| 17:09.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/690891 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: xlockmore -- RoQA; buggy, unmaintained, security bugs»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-10-18; last modified: 2012-11-23. |
| 17:09.50 | somiaj | yea seems there it is left in a few ports but gone. Surprised it is still in a few ports. |
| 17:09.58 | boudiccas | ,v suckless-tools |
| 17:10.00 | judd | Package: suckless-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 35-1; sid: 38-2; wheezy: 38-2; experimental: 39-1 |
| 17:10.11 | greycat | OK, slock is WEIRD. It makes the monitor go to sleep, and there is absolutely no feedback of any kind while I'm typing a password. |
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| 17:10.26 | greycat | i3lock at least gives me a weird-looking green/red circle thing. |
| 17:10.54 | somiaj | what about xscreensaver -- I think it pops up a window you type in |
| 17:11.12 | somiaj | though again if you just want a simple locking tools, having a full set of screensavers installed is overkill |
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| 17:12.33 | Datz | Hi, I created a new user recently, and it seems as they do not have full access to the network. I have to run as root to ping (use dns specifically) it appears. Any ideas? |
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| 17:13.02 | damacus | your ping is either not owned by root and/or is not suid root |
| 17:13.05 | damacus | ls -l /bin/ping |
| 17:13.14 | damacus | mine is: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 34248 Oct 14 2010 /bin/ping |
| 17:13.14 | Datz | humm |
| 17:13.22 | damacus | (squeeze) |
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| 17:13.35 | Datz | irssi couldn't connect to a server either |
| 17:13.38 | Datz | but let me check |
| 17:13.52 | Datz | I should probably mention that this is on an android phone |
| 17:13.58 | damacus | er |
| 17:14.04 | damacus | this is #debian. :) |
| 17:14.05 | Datz | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 34984 Oct 14 2010 /bin/ping |
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| 17:14.42 | Datz | what his "s" in permissions? |
| 17:15.01 | Datz | uses other resources to answer |
| 17:15.02 | damacus | setuid. the program runs with teh permissions of the user owning the binary |
| 17:15.11 | Datz | ah |
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| 17:15.59 | Datz | so it's it's neither of the above? |
| 17:16.00 | mallxs | is there a way to set the tap0 device open to user space program ? |
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| 17:16.50 | needle | Datz: setuid. the program runs with teh permissions of the user owning the binary it is "root" in your case |
| 17:16.55 | damacus | Datz: i have no clue. your ping should behave the same as root or not as far as that's concerned. but you're on a nonstandard platform and I doubt you're using debian. |
| 17:16.56 | Datz | damacus: it's a chroot debian environment |
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| 17:17.29 | damacus | perhaps something with the underlying kernel etc |
| 17:17.35 | Datz | ic |
| 17:17.49 | Datz | guess I'm have to go about my day as root |
| 17:17.54 | themill | does the android kernel support suid? |
| 17:18.06 | damacus | no clue =) |
| 17:18.26 | Datz | themill: what would be another way to check? |
| 17:18.56 | Datz | wait, I think I can ping ip address as user |
| 17:19.15 | needle | if it is a chroot env, then your created user has minimal rights, has no right to use the ping command |
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| 17:19.27 | Datz | needle: ah.. |
| 17:19.46 | needle | is a policy, you can not change that in the chroot env, only outside |
| 17:19.55 | needle | of the chroot |
| 17:20.04 | Datz | I see.. |
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| 17:21.21 | confusid | brb |
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| 17:21.57 | Datz | needle: any docs on how to change the policy? |
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| 17:23.22 | needle | Datz: google "chroot ping access rights change" |
| 17:23.34 | Datz | oh, so it's per program |
| 17:23.36 | frikinz | Datz: you need to be part of group with GID 3003 |
| 17:23.42 | Datz | I see.. |
| 17:23.55 | frikinz | Datz: addgroup --gid 3003 sockets ; usermod -G sockets -a my_user |
| 17:24.06 | Datz | I'd probably want it for more than just ping at the end of the day I think. |
| 17:24.14 | Datz | frikinz: interesting. thanks |
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| 17:24.37 | Datz | creates "my_user" |
| 17:24.40 | Datz | :p |
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| 17:25.58 | Datz | frikinz: can I run that as root in the chroot environment? |
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| 17:26.14 | frikinz | Datz: you HAVE to |
| 17:26.27 | Datz | ah ok thanks |
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| 17:27.41 | Datz | eh.. addgroup: The GID `3003' is already in use. usermod: group 'sockets' does not exist |
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| 17:29.42 | frikinz | Datz: where did you get this debian image from? Normally, group 3003 is not used on a fresh debian install. grep 3003 /etc/group |
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| 17:30.28 | Datz | frikinz: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&hl=en |
| 17:30.51 | frikinz | then usermod -G 3003 -a my_user. |
| 17:31.02 | damacus | frikinz: he's rolling with a debian chroot on an android phone with an android kernel |
| 17:31.02 | frikinz | galoula image is crap IMO. |
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| 17:31.30 | Datz | frikinz: I see. Better alternative? |
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| 17:31.38 | frikinz | DIY :) |
| 17:31.43 | Datz | hehe |
| 17:31.48 | frikinz | Datz: but go on, if it works for you.. |
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| 17:32.09 | Datz | frikinz: yea, just playing |
| 17:32.24 | frikinz | usermod -G 3003 -a my_user |
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| 17:33.49 | frikinz | Datz: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/ |
| 17:33.52 | frikinz | </offtopic> |
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| 17:34.08 | Datz | reads |
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| 17:35.24 | Datz | ...interesting.. |
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| 17:40.14 | runixo | heyas. my os ended up installed in /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda. how can I 'swap' them? (it's just a cosmetic thing). Swapping the SATA cables? |
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| 17:40.28 | Datz | frikinz: great, seems to be working. Thanks a bunch. |
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| 17:41.45 | sney | runixo: yeah, get the OS drive on the first sata channel. Just make sure your fstab etc. doesn't refer to the root disk by /dev (it should be UUID) |
| 17:41.53 | runixo | sney: danke |
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| 17:44.04 | BW^- | any clue why my FS shows as full while du -hs / shows like 10% use? |
| 17:44.37 | greycat | because you have a file that was unlinked but it still opened |
| 17:45.06 | sney | because of the reserved space for /root |
| 17:45.11 | Kakila1 | and my system freezed again! :( |
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| 17:45.59 | sney | Kakila1: hardware problem / buggy driver for $device |
| 17:46.34 | Kakila1 | sney: intel graphics GT2 IvyBridge Mobile |
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| 17:47.25 | sney | it isn't? |
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| 17:47.52 | sney | oh, #debian-next is on a different network. |
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| 17:53.34 | Kakila | sney: my system is using i915, do you know of a replacement/update? |
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| 17:54.13 | sney | Kakila: before you scramble for updated drivers, try turning off direct rendering to find out if that's actually the problem |
| 17:54.13 | txomon | hi, about kernel compile: How may I avoid getting linked my build dir when I install a kernel from .deb package? |
| 17:54.35 | sney | txomon: that's naturally avoided when you use make deb-pkg |
| 17:54.55 | txomon | sney, so make-kpkg should do the work there? |
| 17:55.11 | dFence | if I want to zcat an image to /dev/fb0 - what format does it need to have? (Gimp offers a "gzip-Archive" – is that the right one?) |
| 17:55.15 | sney | txomon: no, make deb-pkg. make-kpkg is deprecated |
| 17:55.37 | sney | I swear sometimes I'm the only one who has read the kernel handbook. |
| 17:55.53 | Kakila | sney: I do not know exactly how to do that. Do you have a pointer to some help? I was trying with a 20-intel.conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ but the system just loads the module even though |
| 17:55.57 | txomon | which handbook sney ? |
| 17:56.05 | sney | !tell txomon about kernel handbook |
| 17:56.14 | txomon | ty sney ! |
| 17:56.29 | sney | Kakila: you could blacklist it |
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| 17:57.12 | Kakila | sney: in modules.d? |
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| 17:57.44 | sney | iirc it's /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 17:58.24 | sney | there's also a way in xorg.conf to stop it from loading dri and glx, but I forget the syntax |
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| 17:59.00 | Kakila | sney: there should be no more xorg.conf in wheezy according to what I learned this days |
| 17:59.10 | abrotman | you can still create your own if you need it |
| 17:59.25 | sney | that's true but you can use the same syntax in files in xorg.conf.d like you are already doing |
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| 18:04.51 | niteye | in gnome, theres at the top "places" |
| 18:04.57 | niteye | how can i add/change the various folders there ? |
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| 18:05.17 | niteye | i try right-click edit, and it lets me edit applications and system menu, but not places |
| 18:06.31 | txomon | sney, here isn't explained where is make-kpkg deprecated, and I don't understand how may I compile a kernel and create a deb package taking source from kernel.org... |
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| 18:07.04 | sney | txomon: you can understand that it's deprecated from the fact that it's no longer recommended in the official debian document about building kernels. |
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| 18:07.23 | txomon | sney, so, how may I build a deb from kernel.org? |
| 18:07.24 | sney | txomon: also, the instructions you're looking for are titled "building from the pristine kernel source" |
| 18:07.37 | txomon | pristine,... what means that? |
| 18:07.42 | sney | unchanged |
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| 18:07.45 | txomon | ah ok |
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| 18:09.58 | nvz | txomon: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot libncurses5-dev kernel-package && wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/pub/linux/..blah.tar.bz2; tar jxvf blah.tar.bz2; cd blah; make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --config=menuconfig kernel_package |
| 18:10.20 | sney | stop with the make-kpkg! it's been replaced! |
| 18:10.28 | txomon | nvz, sney told me not to do that |
| 18:10.28 | nvz | by what? |
| 18:10.40 | txomon | laughs |
| 18:10.57 | txomon | !tell nvz about kernel handbook |
| 18:10.58 | sney | nvz: linux upstream added debian packaging targets to the standard makefile. make-kpkg is now obsolete and unnecessary. |
| 18:11.15 | nvz | sney: ah sweet |
| 18:11.16 | sney | also, it's been a year at least. |
| 18:11.18 | txomon | sney, upstream... where? |
| 18:11.21 | txomon | which commit? |
| 18:11.39 | sney | txomon: I... don't know which one, or when specifically. by upstream I just mean the kernel devs in general. |
| 18:11.54 | txomon | sney, I am using v3.6... |
| 18:12.16 | nvz | I suppose I should try it out at some point |
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| 18:12.32 | sney | I am sure it was added when the versions were still 2.6.x |
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| 18:12.45 | txomon | oO |
| 18:13.10 | sney | since the kernel handbook is at least as old as squeeze |
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| 18:13.44 | txomon | ahm ok... |
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| 18:16.04 | peterrooney | sney (i) I don't believe it, (ii) I wouldn't trust it even if I did. |
| 18:16.16 | peterrooney | is slow to adopt the new |
| 18:16.43 | themill | peterrooney: the debian kernel packagers recommend that route rather than kernel-package. |
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| 18:17.34 | sney | and it's completely painless to boot |
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| 18:18.43 | diverdude | Is there a tool similar to gparted which also handles raid setup and can format/delete etc. large HDDs (4TB) quickly? |
| 18:18.54 | peterrooney | themill: an interesting endorsement. where to they do this? I missed the memo. |
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| 18:20.27 | themill | peterrooney: in the kernel handbook |
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| 18:24.13 | blubster | when I wanted to update initscripts these days, I got a bugreports warning that the new version would cause boot problems, so I holded the package. Today, I wanted to test something, unholded the package, ran `aptitude update' and it upgraded the package messageless. But it seems to be the same version (2.88dsf-34) it tried to upgrade a few days ago. Any idea why that is? |
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| 18:25.26 | confusid | for me to use 4.3 gcc would I use "make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 -j2" |
| 18:25.46 | greycat | I think you mean make CC="/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 -j2" |
| 18:26.08 | peterrooney | sney: themill: understood. I note that it explicitly says it's for wheezy, and fails to mention squeeze. |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | err... no, stupid me. never mind. -j2 is a make option, not a cc option. |
| 18:26.33 | diverdude | Is there a tool similar to gparted which also handles raid setup and can format/delete etc. large HDDs (4TB) quickly? |
| 18:26.43 | isoman2kx | is there an easy way to list hard drive serial numbers in Debian? |
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| 18:27.05 | isoman2kx | sending my ADATA 64 gb SSD into them for rma... but I don't see serial anywhere on the drive and my box is long gone. |
| 18:27.09 | JPT | maybe ls /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 18:28.00 | confusid | greycat: ty |
| 18:28.04 | Catbuntu | ohai |
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| 18:29.27 | majuscule | Why won't my USB boot? I've downloaded (and checksummed) archlinux-2012.12.01-dual.iso and `sudo sudo dd bs=4M if=isos/archlinux-2012.12.01-dual.iso of=/dev/sde`. There are no errors, but my computer doesn't recognize the drive as bootable |
| 18:30.07 | greycat | perhaps you meant to ask in an archlinux channel |
| 18:30.23 | majuscule | ahrg yes, but I am having a similar problem with debian |
| 18:30.56 | greycat | For Debian, I'm fairly sure you cannot just dd a CD ISO image onto a USB device like that. |
| 18:31.03 | majuscule | i've been following the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id586496 |
| 18:31.16 | majuscule | I am nearly 100% sure the problem is me using the wrong files |
| 18:31.34 | majuscule | but i'm still hopelessly confused I'm afraid, I feel like I've tried everything |
| 18:31.55 | majuscule | if I use the method in 4.3.1 (cat with an iso), it won't boot |
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| 18:32.19 | majuscule | if I try 4.3.2 (zcat boot.img.gz and copying the netinst iso) it boots |
| 18:32.42 | majuscule | but when I go through with the install it says it can't find any kernel modules in the iamge |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | That's because you're supposed to copy both a USB boot image *and* a Debian CD net install image to the USB device. Somehow. Using some black magic that's incredibly poorly documented. |
| 18:33.22 | boudiccas | majuscule: you're asking in the wrong place, we dont know about asrchlinux |
| 18:33.32 | majuscule | boudiccas: i'm asking about debian right now |
| 18:33.33 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it's actually pretty clearly documented |
| 18:33.44 | dondelelcaro | greycat: and for modern images, you can just copy the cd image directly. |
| 18:33.59 | majuscule | dondelelcaro: can you help me figure this problem out? I'm reading everything I can |
| 18:34.00 | greycat | dondelelcaro: "modern" meaning wheezy? He's on stable. |
| 18:34.05 | dondelelcaro | greycat: even on stable. |
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| 18:34.30 | majuscule | i'm happy to use wheezy |
| 18:34.36 | greycat | dondelelcaro: if that's true, it would be a very welcome change. |
| 18:34.48 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 18:35.07 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, it's actually true... see section 4.3.1 of the install guide. |
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| 18:35.15 | majuscule | dondelelcaro: that is amd64? i need i386 |
| 18:35.22 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: so look at the i386 manpage. |
| 18:35.31 | dondelelcaro | s/manpage/install guide/ |
| 18:35.37 | dondelelcaro | though they're basically the same document |
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| 18:36.12 | majuscule | dondelelcaro: forgive me if i'm missing something.... but if i posted the link to the i386 version of that page a moment ago |
| 18:36.15 | majuscule | i've been over it |
| 18:36.18 | majuscule | i've tried both methods |
| 18:36.27 | majuscule | i described the results of each |
| 18:36.44 | majuscule | i'm sure it's a silly mistake I'm making but I can't seem to figure it out |
| 18:37.20 | abrotman | majuscule: still having problems ? |
| 18:37.44 | majuscule | yeah :-/ |
| 18:37.49 | majuscule | i'm going to try debian-wheezy-DI-b4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:38.05 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: ok, so you've gone cat squeeze.iso > /dev/foo; and it still doesn't boot? |
| 18:38.13 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: what exactly is failing to boot? which motherboard is this? |
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| 18:38.34 | majuscule | err, i'm not sure, i can look it up, it's an asus eeepc 1000he |
| 18:38.35 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: if it's i386, and old, it might not support usb booting at all |
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| 18:38.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the hybrid ISO completely failed |
| 18:38.41 | majuscule | it definitely does |
| 18:38.57 | sney | the eee 1000he definitely supports usb booting indeed. I have a similar model. |
| 18:39.01 | majuscule | i can boot off the usb if i zcat the boot.img.gz |
| 18:39.09 | sney | majuscule: you did run sync after the cat, right? |
| 18:39.11 | abrotman | majuscule: there is an eeepc wiki page .. wonder if someting special has to be done |
| 18:39.12 | majuscule | yes |
| 18:39.22 | sney | nothing special has to be done since lenny for eees |
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| 18:39.44 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:40.11 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: ok, if you can boot off the USB, then USB booting is working. zcat the boot.img, mount it, and copy a netinst onto the usb device. |
| 18:40.36 | DasEi | majuscule: you want to boot a recent debian-distro from usb ? cann simply dd and sync it |
| 18:40.41 | majuscule | dondelelcaro: when i do that, i get an error that it can't find any kernel modules in the iso |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | DasEi: he's tried that, doesn't work |
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| 18:41.04 | majuscule | dondelelcaro: i checksummed the iso |
| 18:41.06 | sney | majuscule: have you had this usb drive for a long time? |
| 18:41.10 | DasEi | ah, older distro ? not synced (me watching..) |
| 18:41.11 | greycat | So it does boot, then? "can't find any kernel modules" implies he gets partway into the installation. |
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| 18:41.23 | abrotman | DasEi: no, just doesn't work .. unsure as of why |
| 18:41.26 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: which ISO are you using? what is the precise error? |
| 18:41.33 | abrotman | greycat: correct, the installer boots, then freaks out |
| 18:41.34 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: note that the ISO has to match the boot.img that you are using |
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| 18:41.42 | DasEi | majuscule: which release of debian ? |
| 18:41.53 | dondelelcaro | well, has to match for some levels of match... |
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| 18:42.25 | StyXman_ | currently I'm in Argentina and I started using cdn.debian.net. thing is the chosen mirror is slower that the french one. any ideas? |
| 18:42.29 | majuscule | using debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso and the boot.img.gz from squeeze i386 |
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| 18:42.41 | sney | if boot.img.gz works and the iso doesn't, and copying the iso to the usb drive after using boot.img.gz works after a fashion, but fails to load components, then my brain is saying your usb drive is broken above a certain number of MB |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | StyXman_: it chooses the closest mirror |
| 18:42.57 | abrotman | StyXman_: you can use whichever mirror you like |
| 18:42.58 | greycat | StyXman_: use whichever mirror works best |
| 18:43.25 | StyXman_ | can I know which mirror it chose? |
| 18:43.34 | greycat | StyXman_: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:43.45 | abrotman | not if it's cdn.debian.net |
| 18:43.53 | greycat | then use something else |
| 18:43.53 | StyXman_ | greycat: no, there I put cdn.debian.net |
| 18:43.56 | sney | StyXman_: ping cdn.debian.net |
| 18:44.04 | StyXman_ | sney: good idea |
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| 18:44.13 | abrotman | or a wget |
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| 18:44.46 | DasEi | majuscule: you could just dd the iso over to usb, sync it before unplugging, recent releases tend to be bootable/w USB |
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| 18:44.59 | FGH` | how do i know if i can reach my website over ipv6 ? |
| 18:45.02 | greycat | It boots, but apparently it errors out during the installation. |
| 18:45.24 | Dagger2 | FGH`: maybe try ##networking for that question |
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| 18:45.44 | FGH` | oke |
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| 18:46.29 | sney | DasEi: are you defective in the head? they told you that was already tried. Maybe if you say it again it'll magically work? |
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| 18:47.38 | sney | DasEi: that is the recommended method but it's not working in this case. therefore: troubleshooting |
| 18:47.49 | DasEi | FGH`: you could use a ip4 to ip6 brooker, aca hurricane and try it |
| 18:48.36 | DasEi | sney: I was just wondered about the addional unzipping |
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| 18:50.11 | sney | DasEi: using boot.img.gz is the former method for usb booting, it's a compressed (hence unzipping) bootable filesystem that loads an iso. |
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| 18:51.31 | DasEi | sney: ... is what I haven't tried or read (with or without success recently) :) |
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| 19:18.07 | anddam | I simple-backported debconf, do I have to uninstall current debconf before installing .deb files using dpkg -i? |
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| 19:18.47 | greycat | No, as long as you specify all the prerequisites together on a single dpkg -i line. |
| 19:19.02 | greycat | It'll replace the old ones if it can. |
| 19:19.09 | peterrooney | wonders what happens if you start screwing around with not-known-compatible versions of debian's packaging system |
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| 19:27.07 | jhutchins_wk | peterrooney: Such as what forinstance/ |
| 19:27.08 | jhutchins_wk | ? |
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| 19:30.18 | kaste | hello, i am trying to set up plone and i get gcc errors regarding __pyx_f_4lxml_5etree_12_XSLTContext__copy, what package am i missing? |
| 19:30.29 | majuscule | ahrg. So dd'd debian-wheezy-DI-b4-i386-netinst.iso but it won't boot |
| 19:30.37 | kaste | i already installed libxslt-dev libxml2-dev and python-libxml2 |
| 19:30.45 | majuscule | i guess i'll try to find another usb key but damn |
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| 19:33.53 | jhutchins_wk | majuscule: Is the checksum ok? |
| 19:34.06 | jhutchins_wk | majuscule: I know the instructions recommend cat instead of dd. |
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| 19:35.21 | greycat | cat vs. dd makes no difference, except for the block size (performance) and even that shouldn't really be noticeable |
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| 19:37.24 | DasEi | ducks , asks again, did you issue a sync-cmd ant the end of dd/cat writing, before rebooting ? otherwise, seldom, but if checksum is alright, that might me a tricky stick , majuscule |
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| 19:38.39 | acu | I am trying to make a tool in a sequencing application work. The tool has dependencies perl, cat and sort, which are all in Linux in /bin or /user/bin, but when I run "type cat", I get "cat is hashed (/bin/cat)" Is it normal? |
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| 19:39.09 | greycat | Yes, that's normal. Bash caches the locations of external commands. |
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| 19:43.45 | tvlooy | I have a postfix (unconfigured) on my system that I would basically like to dpkg-reconfigure with the default options (non interactively) |
| 19:43.50 | tvlooy | is there a way to do that? |
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| 19:44.32 | tvlooy | I just want it to generate it's default stuff like main.cf, newaliases etc |
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| 19:46.16 | ompaul | tvlooy: for a functioning postfix you would be better to write a dozen lines of sed and apply standard stuff to it |
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| 19:46.29 | ompaul | restart and be happy |
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| 19:48.20 | acu | I need to permanently add a folder with some dependencies of tools to PATH. I used PATH=$PATH:/dir and then added the same line at the beginning of .bashrc as a regular user. Then I found command: export PATH="/dir:$PATH" Is there a difference between those two commands ? |
| 19:49.21 | greycat | PATH=$PATH:/dir adds the new dir to the end. PATH=/dir:$PATH adds it to the beginning. |
| 19:49.55 | mooglenorph | So I googled a bit for "install debian on c7 chromebook" and couldn't find anything particularly informative. |
| 19:50.28 | mooglenorph | Is there an easy way to blow away chrome os or whatever on one of those things and install squeeze? I don't care about dual-booting. |
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| 19:51.00 | acu | greycat, I noticed that, so for the purpose of adding a directory to PATH both commands should equally work? |
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| 19:51.22 | greycat | if you don't care whether it's at the beginning or the end of the search path, yes |
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| 19:52.00 | acu | greycat, in which case should I care? |
| 19:52.19 | greycat | if the commands in your new directory have the same name as other commands |
| 19:52.59 | greycat | e.g. some people write personalized scripts that override the system's regular commands, and they'd want their personal ones to be used first. |
| 19:53.01 | tvlooy | ompaul: I would like to start sed-ing from the configured postfix :-) |
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| 19:54.01 | acu | greycat, got it , thanks |
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| 19:55.15 | ogirardot | hi everyone, i'm checking debdelta and cupt, it's a great project and i'm using it with squeeze (a sweet taste of the future) i wondered, is it possible to use cupt with a private debian repo ? |
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| 19:56.12 | anddam | greycat: thanks, how can I check all prerequisites? |
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| 19:56.31 | greycat | it'll tell you when you try... |
| 19:56.45 | anddam | building produced debconf_1.5.46_all.deb debconf-doc_1.5.46_all.deb debconf-i18n_1.5.46_all.deb debconf-utils_1.5.46_all.deb |
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| 19:57.04 | anddam | I guess they are the complete set, do order matters when passing them to pkg? |
| 19:57.09 | anddam | matter* |
| 19:57.13 | ompaul | tvlooy: apt-get install internet site sorts nothing out for you |
| 19:57.29 | greycat | order doesn't matter with dpkg -i |
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| 19:58.53 | Catbuntu | À bientôt, Auf Wiedersehen, Bye Bye, Paká |
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| 20:00.45 | anddam | greycat: should I worry about this warning/error? https://gist.github.com/4197577 |
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| 20:02.08 | anddam | nvm, it's a warning |
| 20:02.22 | anddam | "IOError" belongs to the actual line in the 2.5 py script |
| 20:02.25 | anddam | thanks |
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| 20:03.39 | anddam | voilà, debconf is fixed |
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| 20:06.41 | searching | In /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf the theme of greeter theme=Industrial |
| 20:06.53 | searching | I have Lubuntu default |
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| 20:08.44 | searching | nobody? |
| 20:09.06 | greycat | 1) you haven't asked a question yet. 2) if Lubuntu is a distribution, we don't support it. |
| 20:09.28 | searching | I know |
| 20:09.50 | searching | but in Lubuntu channel nobody help me |
| 20:10.10 | searching | I have a problem with lxdm I think |
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| 20:10.21 | searching | look http://postimage.org/image/nbeqhp82z/ |
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| 20:11.02 | searching | I found now that lxdm not have Lubuntu theme |
| 20:11.24 | anddam | doesn't lxdm have a channel of its own? |
| 20:11.26 | searching | lol |
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| 20:11.37 | searching | let` s try |
| 20:11.47 | abrotman | it'd be lxde .. |
| 20:11.53 | abrotman | and this isn't a support channel for Lubuntu |
| 20:11.55 | searching | no |
| 20:12.05 | anddam | s/lxdm/lxde/ |
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| 20:12.10 | abrotman | this still isn't a support channel for Lubuntu, try #lubuntu |
| 20:12.32 | searching | ok I am there but nobody helps |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | a) not our problem b) lxdm isn't even in Debian |
| 20:12.55 | searching | ok |
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| 20:23.44 | tvlooy | seem debconf-communicate does what I want |
| 20:23.48 | majuscule | abrotman: i've tried a second USB key now. I MUST be making some kind of a silly mistake. |
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| 20:24.52 | greycat | It's still booting but giving an error during the installation? If so, what's the exact error? |
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| 20:25.09 | majuscule | well with the wheezy iso it's not booting |
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| 20:28.15 | greycat | In wheezy, how do I make df show my disk as /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/disk/by-uuid/very-long? The output is too wide to display in a terminal. |
| 20:28.35 | mitc0185 | I'm trying to get the volume buttons on my thinkpad to work -- need to figure out the keycodes for them. Is there a utility to debug keypresses in X? |
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| 20:29.09 | greycat | xev |
| 20:29.19 | needle | mitc0185: xev |
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| 20:30.35 | mitc0185 | sweet, thanks! |
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| 20:33.54 | abrotman | majuscule: or it's your system? :) |
| 20:34.12 | anddam | bye |
| 20:34.13 | abrotman | greycat: isn't that dependent on the mount point ? |
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| 20:35.59 | greycat | abrotman: the mount point is /, but it's so far to the right that it's literally on the next line of the terminal |
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| 20:37.09 | greycat | /dev/disk/by-uuid/14693e56-4bb7-4e4d-86b3-c735e1834358 136551568 1891520 127723576 2% / |
| 20:37.45 | greycat | And in squeeze, when file systems were mounted by UUID, they'd still be *displayed* using the short names. |
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| 20:39.26 | acu_ | Hello, I run debian wheezy - and apache2-mpm-prefork webserver, however I want to direct the trafic towards a plone web - can anyone give me hints where the rewrite rules (what file I do need to modify) ? |
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| 20:41.20 | engla | greycat: this bug is fixed in upstream what I know |
| 20:41.32 | greycat | oh, ok |
| 20:41.45 | greycat | so in a few months wheezy's df will be readable |
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| 20:42.03 | engla | wheezy is frozen so maybe not |
| 20:42.21 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:42.25 | greycat | do the developers NEVER TYPE DF?! |
| 20:42.31 | greycat | my gpod. |
| 20:42.46 | greycat | this isn't some obscure command that nobody ever uses |
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| 20:44.15 | damacus | so use labels |
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| 20:45.00 | greycat | dpkg: labels |
| 20:45.00 | dpkg | greycat: i don't know |
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| 20:46.09 | waynr | engla, greycat are you guys saying that because wheezy is frozen this bug would not get pulled from upstream? |
| 20:46.27 | greycat | Depends on how frozen it is, I think. |
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| 20:47.05 | engla | only RC bugs are guaranteed to be fixed at this point |
| 20:47.15 | engla | have you guys found the corresponding debian bug report? |
| 20:47.18 | waynr | what is an RC bug? |
| 20:47.27 | engla | release-critical |
| 20:47.28 | greycat | Release Critical |
| 20:47.35 | waynr | ohisee |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | ,bug 653073 |
| 20:48.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/653073 in coreutils (closed, fixed-upstream): «why root filesystem reported as /dev/disk/by-uuid/ long name starting today?»; severity: important; opened: 2011-12-23; last modified: 2012-11-14. |
| 20:49.16 | engla | as you can see it's fixed in unstable |
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| 20:53.22 | frikinz | but not for i386 which stayed in 8.13-3.3 |
| 20:53.39 | engla | not for wheezy |
| 20:53.45 | engla | regardless of arch |
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| 21:00.23 | abrotman | greycat: i meant that the other part, the device, not the mount point |
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| 21:00.58 | greycat | abrotman: aww, I just closed all the tabs. Looks like it was fixed in coreutils 8.20, but wheezy is frozen at 8.13. |
| 21:01.40 | greycat | If you've got 20 minutes, you can read through bug 653073 ... pretty deep stuff in there. |
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| 21:02.51 | abrotman | greycat: i didn't realize coreutils moved that fast ... |
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| 21:05.57 | abrotman | greycat: that looks fun :) |
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| 21:11.39 | xingu | greycat: cue whininess from "my /dev/mapper/${has_uuid_suffixlike_glob} is broken by df" type situations. |
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| 21:17.39 | frikinz | using a label for / in grub makes it slightly smaller.. |
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| 21:18.16 | frikinz | /dev/disk/by-label/ROOT 13113672 10888536 1559028 88% / |
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| 21:23.55 | georgeph1 | hello does anybody know where and how i can use apt-key to fix a wheezy main repository in apt |
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| 21:25.06 | georgeph1 | i apparently need to install a key of some kind for that repository |
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| 21:25.53 | georgeph1 | where would debian put the key on their website |
| 21:26.22 | tremon | you need to install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 21:26.37 | tremon | but the more interesting question is how/why you managed to remove it |
| 21:26.39 | georgeph1 | tremon...will it mess up the ubuntu apt manager |
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| 21:26.53 | tremon | don't know |
| 21:27.05 | georgeph1 | i don't want to mess up any existing keys already on there |
| 21:28.35 | georgeph1 | i already had to put another key for getdeb...but it does not work right |
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| 21:29.19 | georgeph1 | so i would rather just be able to use a couple of wheezy main packages |
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| 21:30.43 | georgeph1 | and i would rather use aptitude instead of dpkg..to keep whatever extra info is involved |
| 21:31.18 | tremon | aptitude should not be preventing you from installing unsigned packages, merely warning |
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| 21:31.49 | georgeph1 | no when i try to apt-get update for the new wheezy main repository it asks for a key |
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| 21:32.46 | tremon | that's a question for #ubuntu, because Debian's apt doesn't do that |
| 21:32.55 | cusco | it does not |
| 21:33.01 | georgeph1 | it is not just some kind of warning.apparently... |
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| 21:33.38 | georgeph1 | well the ubuntu people have very old packages in their repository...which many don't work...and i am trying to get a couple of specific packages working if possible |
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| 21:33.59 | georgeph1 | and the ubuntu people are not helpful at all...a bunch of egotistical maniacs |
| 21:34.12 | mocra | just trying to install nvidia driver in testing. at command "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source" ${VERSION} is replaced by the empty string - is this possible or an mistake? |
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| 21:34.36 | Litie | I am bot |
| 21:34.46 | Litie | I come from the source of humanoid Greedi |
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| 21:35.56 | ikonia | !ops Litie idiot kid pretending to be a bot, booted from #ubuntu and #freenode |
| 21:35.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: Litie idiot kid pretending to be a bot, booted from #ubuntu and #freenode |
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| 21:36.53 | mentor | ikonia: You can call the ops without the venom |
| 21:37.33 | peterS | hey we allow furries here, why not ... how do you say, 'chromies'? |
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| 21:37.50 | georgeph1 | ikonia..i am not even going to talk to those ubuntu people they are extremely mean |
| 21:37.56 | ikonia | mentor: noted |
| 21:38.06 | ikonia | georgeph1: not my problem/or this channels concern |
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| 21:38.48 | georgeph1 | ikonia ok..i understand |
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| 21:39.01 | peterS | !debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:39.32 | peterS | georgeph1: it's not our problem, _but_ what you probably want is to install the 'debian-archive-keyring' package, which you can download from packages.debian.org if you can't get apt to download it for you |
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| 21:49.24 | tuvwx | does wheezy's installer handle intel's fakeroot properly, or is manual intervention required? |
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| 21:51.13 | stew | what is intel's fakeroot? |
| 21:51.35 | georgeph1 | ok i found a debian-keyring and a debian-archive-keyring...but i am wondering if install will it wipe the default ubuntu keyring and the extra getdeb keyring |
| 21:52.08 | peterrooney | !frankendebian |
| 21:52.08 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 21:53.21 | georgeph1 | well...the problem is that i tried debian, arch, gentoo, backtrak , backbox, mint and so far ubuntu is the only distro that seems to be able to make a network connection |
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| 21:53.34 | mtn | heh |
| 21:53.37 | georgeph1 | so right now there doesn't seem to be much choice |
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| 21:55.14 | georgeph1 | until the other distros get some understanding or network stuff |
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| 21:55.58 | georgeph1 | of |
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| 21:56.18 | haylo | 99god i konia i am so tired of your policing freenode. You flagged me as a troll in #gnome a year ago. while i was trying to research options for a parapalegic friend. Your as bad as the trolls :P |
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| 21:56.31 | haylo | ikonia: * |
| 21:57.31 | georgeph1 | so i am not trying to make a frankenstein distro..it is just that nothing else will make a connection at this time..but i am trying to get a copy of supertuxkart that is more recent to see about some driver issues |
| 21:57.31 | tuvwx | stew: intel matrix storage manager |
| 21:57.57 | georgeph1 | and getdeb doesn't seem to be working |
| 21:57.59 | stew | haylo: this conversation seems to have nothing to do with debian, can you please move it to a private converstaion or a more appropriate channel |
| 21:58.13 | georgeph1 | stew..ok..thanks for all your advice |
| 21:58.21 | stew | georgeph1: you should be asking in #ubuntu |
| 21:58.43 | georgeph1 | stew...i am through talking to those people...i will never go to that channel again |
| 21:58.57 | stew | georgeph1: ok, well, anyway, this is the wrong channel |
| 21:59.03 | georgeph1 | stew..ok |
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| 22:04.27 | tuvwx | the beta4 installer found no disks (with intel matrix storage enabled). does it include a driver? it's asking me to pick a driver from a long list |
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| 22:11.56 | ikonia | haylo: did you want me ? |
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| 22:14.08 | epinky | hello, I'm using debian 5.0, I have a daemon initialization script that uses a command named success, where can I find that command? |
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| 22:15.29 | letexier | kjkj |
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| 22:17.13 | haylo | ikonia: no. i meant to flag a different nick |
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| 22:18.34 | ikonia | no problem |
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| 22:19.54 | haylo | gl hf |
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| 22:35.33 | mrjack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWoVzPJ3nhs |
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| 22:43.11 | rryoumaa | when i go to the developer information on gddccontrol, i get linked to the ddccontrol page. are they both orphaned? |
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| 22:48.15 | rryoumaa | hmm, i guess i'll assume so. is monitor control not done much on debian? |
| 22:48.40 | tuvwx | dmraid=true kernel option did the trick: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid?highlight=%28fakeraid%29 |
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| 23:12.38 | confusid | If I needed for some random reason needed a gcc-3.* would I have to make it from scratch/code? |
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| 23:17.07 | frikinz | confusid: you would need to add the repository archive.debian.org |
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| 23:19.17 | BtbN | Does somebody know how to compensate overscanning with intel kms driver i915? |
| 23:19.28 | BtbN | my lxde panel is completly outside the visible area... |
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| 23:20.28 | Shoya | BtbN tried umm...changing scanning values? |
| 23:20.46 | BtbN | Shoya: it's a HDMI tv |
| 23:20.57 | Shoya | oh yeah |
| 23:20.58 | BtbN | it just removes 5% on each edge of the screen |
| 23:21.04 | BtbN | no idea why, but it does |
| 23:21.27 | confusid | frikinz: do I need " deb http://archive.debian.org squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" ? |
| 23:21.35 | Shoya | try changing scanning values, dunno how it's done on yours but mine is on Image>advanced>scanning |
| 23:21.44 | BtbN | i tried fixing it with xrandr --transform, but this makes the lxpanel disapear completly |
| 23:21.48 | Shoya | i mean like on the tv itself |
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| 23:22.02 | Shoya | what model/maker? |
| 23:23.15 | BtbN | no way, there's nothing i can do about my TV doing this |
| 23:23.24 | BtbN | it's some cheap Grundig LCD TV |
| 23:24.20 | BtbN | nouveau driver has some nice options to fix this, but they seem to be missing on the intel driver |
| 23:24.39 | Shoya | weird |
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| 23:25.55 | frikinz | confusid: more something like deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 23:26.04 | frikinz | confusid: depends which gcc 3.x you want |
| 23:26.04 | BtbN | So basically my TV is useless with intel driver?! |
| 23:26.33 | confusid | frikinz: I found 2.95 - 3.4 in http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/ |
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| 23:26.45 | frikinz | confusid: 2.96 would be woody |
| 23:26.55 | frikinz | confusid: I had to use this 2 years ago |
| 23:27.18 | frikinz | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ woody main contrib |
| 23:27.23 | confusid | frikinz: do I have to tell it the name of the version of debian or can I pull the version of gcc directly? |
| 23:27.24 | Shoya | BtbN: no idea |
| 23:27.41 | Shoya | it shouldn't be BtbN, are you sure you went through ALL options? |
| 23:27.43 | Shoya | also |
| 23:28.23 | Shoya | do you have the umm...Control Panel of Intel stuff? |
| 23:28.24 | frikinz | confusid: you have the list of all main packages in woody for i386 there: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 23:28.34 | confusid | frikinz: ty, I'll mess with it and see what happens. :) |
| 23:28.36 | confusid | ty!!! |
| 23:28.41 | TriJetScud | Shoya: aren't you also on rizon? |
| 23:28.52 | Shoya | TriJetScud, yes, why? |
| 23:28.54 | frikinz | confusid: as you can have severall gcc installed, they have different naming: gcc-3.4, gcc-2.96... |
| 23:28.55 | BtbN | Shoya: all options on my TV? Yes, there are only 3 for video |
| 23:29.08 | TriJetScud | never mind, i think i know ya there |
| 23:29.12 | confusid | frikinz: currently I have gcc-4.4 4.3 and 4.1 |
| 23:29.18 | BtbN | And there's a control pannel for the intel kms driver? |
| 23:29.20 | confusid | I think I need 3.* to make this work. |
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| 23:29.48 | frikinz | confusid: 2.96 is pretty stable. some of 3.x were really unstable but probably debian didn't even package them. |
| 23:30.32 | frikinz | confusid: it will pull other packages too like stdlib |
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| 23:31.11 | Shoya | weeeeird TriJetScud you are stalking me! & BtbN how bout the driver's control panel? idk what's the name of it |
| 23:31.49 | BtbN | Shoya: i don't know of any driver control panel for the intel drivers. Nvidia has its nvidia-settings, but there's nothing like that for intel. |
| 23:32.09 | Shoya | not even like "Intel Graphic Properties"? |
| 23:32.20 | confusid | frikinz: so a good chance on messing my system up with jut gcc-2.95? |
| 23:32.36 | abrotman | confusid: uh, what are you doing what hat?> |
| 23:32.41 | abrotman | that |
| 23:32.49 | frikinz | confusid: no, there's no risk |
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| 23:33.20 | abrotman | confusid: that doesn't seem like a good idea |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | oh, wait, sarge? |
| 23:33.40 | frikinz | woody |
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| 23:34.33 | confusid | abrotman: I need an older gcc to compile singularity viewer |
| 23:34.58 | Shoya | BtbN: Intel® Graphics and Media Control Panel < that should be the one, try looking it up in here http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-022130.htm |
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| 23:35.15 | confusid | was told I need at least a 3.* to make it work. I tried gcc-4.1 4.3 and 4.4 and it compiles but locks up after. Something about the librarys. |
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| 23:35.29 | BtbN | Shoya: um, that's windows software. |
| 23:35.38 | Shoya | ...darn |
| 23:35.42 | Shoya | forget linux |
| 23:35.50 | Shoya | forgot i was on linux ahaha |
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| 23:36.27 | Shoya | BtbN: what mode is your tv on btw? game/movie/something mode? |
| 23:36.53 | frikinz | confusid: in this case, I'm not sure if it will help.. my case was different: I had to link against dynamic libraries built with 2.95 |
| 23:36.58 | BtbN | It does not have anything like that |
| 23:37.02 | BtbN | it's just set to HDMI |
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| 23:37.45 | Shoya | hmm gimme some more mins, wait, your comp found it automatically...hmm.... |
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| 23:39.40 | confusid | frikinz: the application I compile has the video lockup issue after compile. Rest of the system is ok. Did you so a sym link for the libraries? |
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| 23:41.00 | frikinz | confusid: I had c++ abi conflicts |
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| 23:41.18 | confusid | ah ok |
| 23:42.31 | confusid | if I download the .deb files for gcc-2.96 and use dpkg to install. Would that help with not breaking the sytem or should i expect dep. issues? |
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| 23:44.08 | frikinz | confusid: adding the line in source.list won't break anything. you can do the dpkg way if you wish but anyway, in the end, you will have installed as many packages as aptitude would have ;) |
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| 23:44.46 | confusid | lol.. k.. TY! |
| 23:44.57 | frikinz | confusid: is the code c++ ? |
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| 23:45.46 | confusid | I think just C but I might be wrong. |
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