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| 00:16.39 | josheee12 | Hey, guys. |
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| 00:26.30 | goose | is there a /var/log/ file which can tell me the reason of the last shutdown? |
| 00:26.36 | goose | (or any other way to tell?) |
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| 00:33.05 | jhutchins_wk | goose: There are wrapper programs that will prompt for the reason for a shutdown, but no, not a default. |
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| 00:33.27 | jhutchins_wk | goose: Unfortunately one of the characteristics of an unexpected shutdown is often that logging is the first to go. |
| 00:33.54 | jhutchins_wk | goose: You can configure sudo to log which user performed a manual shutdown. |
| 00:34.03 | rryoumaa | goose: you can look at mtime and there will only be a few |
| 00:34.10 | rryoumaa | then look at last entries for each |
| 00:34.21 | rryoumaa | it's worked for me many a time |
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| 00:34.28 | jhutchins_wk | It is worth looking at syslog to see what preceedes the startup. |
| 00:35.06 | jhutchins_wk | goose: Do you deal with multiple systems? |
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| 00:39.48 | jhutchins_wk | checks his connection to see if he is ircing to loopback. |
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| 00:51.11 | damo22 | does anyone know of a small publically accessible debian qemu img that has kernel source built in or just a bootable minimal system? |
| 00:51.46 | scientes | damo22, what architecture? |
| 00:51.52 | damo22 | i386 |
| 00:52.04 | scientes | damo22, just use debootstrap |
| 00:52.20 | scientes | or use debian-installer in qemu-kvm |
| 00:52.29 | scientes | (which uses debootstrap) |
| 00:52.39 | scientes | and then install grub and a kernel normally |
| 00:52.48 | damo22 | is there a howto? |
| 00:52.57 | scientes | apt-get install qemu-kvm virt-manager |
| 00:53.11 | scientes | and then add yourself to the libvirtd group, log out and in, and then run virt-manager |
| 00:53.35 | damo22 | i hope this also works in ubuntu |
| 00:53.39 | scientes | yes |
| 00:53.42 | damo22 | great |
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| 00:55.35 | damo22 | scientes: i am hacking some stuff for hurd and i need a linux reference kernel |
| 00:55.51 | damo22 | but also a running machine |
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| 00:56.49 | damo22 | :) |
| 00:56.57 | scientes | oh wow |
| 00:57.00 | scientes | good luck |
| 00:57.36 | damo22 | i will need it |
| 00:58.08 | damo22 | but hurd rocks so much i might actually get somewhere |
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| 01:15.58 | spinx | i have debian installed on one of my computers and after awhile, it seems the network interface goes down. it had windows on it before and it never done anything like that. anyone have any idea what it may be. |
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| 01:20.17 | gnarface | spinx: it may be the computer going to sleep or some powersaving mode for just the ethernet card... |
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| 01:20.27 | gnarface | spinx: you got acpid installed and running? |
| 01:21.22 | gnarface | spinx: to help you we need more information. like, what is going on at the local system console while this happens. is the computer still otherwise fully alert, or is it crashed at this point? |
| 01:22.52 | spinx | gnarface: yes, computers still active just no wan |
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| 01:24.10 | gnarface | spinx: i would suggest checking what "ifconfig -a" says before, then after the network goes down. any changes may suggest clues |
| 01:25.28 | spinx | im going to wait til it goes out again and see what happens..hoping i can get it resolved. i havent ran linux in about 4 years kind of rusty. |
| 01:26.52 | gnarface | spinx: also, how are you determining the network is in fact down? are you able to ping the network device's ip address itself from its own console? are there link lights on the ethernet card still after the network goes down, can you still ping the gateway at that point, etc. there are a ton of simple diagnostics i can recommend but unfortunately based on what you've told me currently i can't help you narrow it down any further |
| 01:26.53 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.00 | gnarface | spinx: if you have done everything right and your hardware is all still good, you're on debian stable and using supported hardware don't ignore the possibility that it could be unrelated to the computer itself. your upstream connection or your LAN hardware may have gone defective |
| 01:28.07 | gnarface | i've seen ethernet cables die |
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| 01:28.12 | gnarface | its rare but it can happen |
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| 01:28.34 | ratcheer | gnarface: But he says it is fine on Windows. |
| 01:28.51 | spinx | yeah it ran fine with windows 7 |
| 01:29.01 | gnarface | ratcheer: but for how long.... he says its an intermittent problem |
| 01:29.28 | gnarface | ratcheer: he also didn't say how he was determining its in fact down. |
| 01:29.34 | ratcheer | spinx: What kernel are you running? |
| 01:29.54 | spinx | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:30.09 | gnarface | that's stable right? |
| 01:30.15 | gnarface | spinx: you're on debian squeeze? |
| 01:30.18 | spinx | yeah |
| 01:30.20 | ratcheer | Ok, what chipset is your network device? |
| 01:30.21 | gnarface | fully updated? |
| 01:30.32 | spinx | yeah i updated it last night |
| 01:30.46 | gnarface | spinx: do you have security and volatile in your sources.list or just vanilla? |
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| 01:31.21 | spinx | i dont have security and volatile |
| 01:32.17 | gnarface | couldn't hurt |
| 01:32.56 | gnarface | although i guess i don't know if there are any real bug fixes that could be relevant |
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| 01:33.28 | ratcheer | spinx: What chipset is your network device? |
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| 01:33.57 | spinx | nvidia |
| 01:34.07 | gnarface | hmm. onboard ethernet? |
| 01:34.37 | spinx | yeah onboard |
| 01:34.38 | gnarface | hasn't had problems with nvidia's onboard ethernet for quite some time now |
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| 01:35.32 | ratcheer | Ok, I figured it was a Realtek. Some of those have lots of problems on older kernels. |
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| 01:36.47 | gnarface | i'd figured it was broadcom, just overheating |
| 01:37.08 | gnarface | i was gonna suggest to tar over scp instead |
| 01:37.15 | gnarface | er, ssh |
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| 01:37.42 | gnarface | spinx: just curious but you got the most current bios right? |
| 01:37.51 | spinx | yeah i do |
| 01:38.16 | gnarface | you haven't done anything really weird with the pci latency settings in there dma or irq's or anything like that right? |
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| 01:38.47 | spinx | nah i havent done anything to it |
| 01:38.53 | gnarface | show me your sources.list? |
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| 01:39.16 | gnarface | (use paste.debian.net, don't paste in channel) |
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| 01:39.49 | spinx | one sec |
| 01:40.34 | spinx | http://paste.debian.net/214213 |
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| 01:41.42 | gnarface | hmm. missing main deb-src ... i wonder if that could cause problems with dkms and such |
| 01:42.04 | gnarface | also suggests that mirror is broken |
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| 01:42.39 | spinx | ill change my sources.list |
| 01:42.54 | gnarface | spinx: here is mine http://paste.debian.net/214214/ |
| 01:43.01 | gnarface | spinx: try using mine |
| 01:43.38 | dvs | Where do I set the maximum spam score in SpamAssassin? |
| 01:43.53 | spinx | i changed them just updated the list |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 01:44.08 | gnarface | spinx: oh, by the way you'll probably will want to add " contrib non-free" to the end of each line |
| 01:44.47 | gnarface | spinx: but you probably only actually need it to update your nvidia drivers (and be aware stuff in there is of notably lower quality generally than stuff in main) |
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| 01:45.54 | spinx | oh |
| 01:45.57 | gnarface | spinx: now, when you have a proper mirror configured, you should make sure you're actually fully updated |
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| 01:46.37 | spinx | using dist-upgrade? |
| 01:47.00 | gnarface | shouldn't hurt unless you're already broken |
| 01:47.18 | gnarface | might not be necessary |
| 01:47.20 | spinx | just shows 0 |
| 01:47.27 | gnarface | so you're updated |
| 01:47.38 | gnarface | so much for that theory... |
| 01:47.49 | gnarface | i got nothing, sorry. you got an extra network device you can test with? |
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| 01:48.16 | spinx | i had some i cant find them ill have to go pick up another one tomorrow if i cant find them |
| 01:48.44 | gnarface | if you can reliably reproduce the issue (or maybe even if you can't) you may want to consider filing a bug report |
| 01:49.26 | spinx | i think it stays on for about an hour or so..ive got the monitor hooked up to the box an im sshd in..just waiting to see if anything happens. |
| 01:49.34 | gnarface | which motherboard, by the way? |
| 01:49.48 | spinx | oh i dont remember lol |
| 01:50.00 | spinx | not a good one, it's an emachines |
| 01:50.03 | gnarface | i've been using asus's nvidia boards for my desktop for a few generations now and the onboard ethernet is always solid, if cpu-heavy |
| 01:50.38 | gnarface | never touched an emachine though |
| 01:50.53 | spinx | it was a freebie |
| 01:51.34 | dvs | spinx: you paid too much |
| 01:51.51 | spinx | haha |
| 01:52.21 | gnarface | i wonder if its some obscure unpatched bios-level bug that the windows drivers have a fix for |
| 01:52.59 | gnarface | this is definitely a new one for me |
| 01:53.15 | gnarface | spinx: is the network under high load when it goes out? |
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| 01:53.39 | abrotman | which kernel is being used? which NIC is it? |
| 01:53.52 | spinx | nah no load at all |
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| 01:54.14 | gnarface | abrotman: above, he said nvidia onboard, 2.6.32-5-amd64, debian squeeze |
| 01:54.23 | spinx | 2.6.32-5-amd64 nvidia |
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| 01:54.49 | gnarface | abrotman: this is definitely not behavior i've seen yet on one of my nvidia boards |
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| 01:55.07 | gnarface | but i don't buy the cheap ones |
| 01:55.23 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 01:55.30 | gnarface | which, actually gives me an idea |
| 01:55.53 | gnarface | spinx: maybe overheating is still a possibility. do you have temperature sensors? |
| 01:56.22 | spinx | i think i can see the t emp in the bios |
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| 01:56.41 | gnarface | spinx: try installing lm-sensors and running sensors-detect (as root) |
| 01:57.00 | spinx | just installed em |
| 01:57.10 | gnarface | spinx: due to differences in compatibility of power management and fan control software linux could have a very different heat profile |
| 01:57.41 | gnarface | spinx: regular time-related failure like you're describing is in keeping with a slow overheat |
| 01:58.09 | gnarface | and overheating is in keeping with cheap nvidia oem stuff |
| 01:58.29 | gnarface | because they always ship with insufficient heatsync on the i/o chipset |
| 01:58.33 | spinx | i dont think the sensors is what i need |
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| 01:58.51 | gnarface | spinx: you gotta run sensors-detect and go through the whole thing first to see if it comes up with any |
| 01:58.56 | spinx | http://paste.debian.net/214215/ |
| 01:59.02 | spinx | it showed two |
| 02:00.48 | gnarface | spinx: so what you'd do to test the overheating theory is hook up graphing software, or just write a script to poll the temperature at even intervals (say every 5-10 seconds or so) and then dump it to a file or something like that |
| 02:00.56 | gnarface | so you can look for a spike before failure |
| 02:01.13 | gnarface | but i'm used to seeing more sensors than that |
| 02:01.59 | spinx | im sure since i got on irc to get some help..it wont give me any more problems. |
| 02:02.26 | gnarface | i've been known to fix computers remotely through sheer force of will |
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| 02:02.36 | gnarface | its rare but people attest to it happening |
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| 02:03.20 | gnarface | spinx: i forget; did you say you had acpid installed and running? |
| 02:03.22 | ratcheer | That is pretty strong kung fu, gnarface |
| 02:03.35 | spinx | yeah its running |
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| 02:09.20 | spinx | ok it went out again. i can try to ping google.com, etc says no such host |
| 02:09.47 | spinx | ifconfig -a shows eth0 10.0.0.3 |
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| 02:10.31 | spinx | gnarface im pretty sure i figured it out |
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| 02:11.03 | spinx | on my routers config dhcp lease time is 30 minutes, and i looked..it was exactly 30 minutes when it went offline. |
| 02:11.30 | gnarface | ah! |
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| 02:12.26 | gnarface | should be fixable either through a configuration change at your local dhcp client end or at the router end |
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| 02:13.20 | spinx | gnarface: did you get my last two messages? |
| 02:13.56 | gnarface | spinx: these two? <spinx> gnarface im pretty sure i figured it out, <spinx> on my routers config dhcp lease time is 30 minutes, and i looked..it was exactly 30 minutes when it went offline. |
| 02:14.30 | spinx | yeah |
| 02:15.04 | gnarface | spinx: i replied: <gnarface> ah!, <gnarface> should be fixable either through a configuration change at your local dhcp client end or at the router end |
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| 02:15.20 | spinx | i set the lease time to forever. |
| 02:15.44 | gnarface | what i often like to do is set it to assign the same ip to each mac address |
| 02:15.55 | gnarface | then they can have hostnames but i can still control them from a central point |
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| 02:17.02 | gnarface | spinx: windows probably has some "request lease extension" or "automatically accept new leases on command" dhcp behavior you've somehow got disabled on yours though |
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| 02:17.20 | spinx | yeah, we'll see in 31 minutes if it is fixed. |
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| 02:18.06 | gnarface | spinx: i think there may be multiple dhcp clients available to you, fyi. if the one you're using is less than satisfactory you may like another better |
| 02:19.07 | spinx | hmm |
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| 02:19.31 | spinx | is there a good distro to use for a firewall/router? linux based like pfsense |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | ask ##linux |
| 02:19.50 | gnarface | spinx: but i'm sure what you did to the router now will also prove to be an effective fix. this is all academic. |
| 02:20.27 | gnarface | i think as far as distros go debian is a suitable firewall distro. its easy to do a minimal install |
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| 02:20.50 | gnarface | its no openbsd but who would want to have to work hard to use GNU file utils? |
| 02:21.01 | gnarface | ok, i admit i do |
| 02:21.08 | gnarface | but really, debian is a suitable firewall distro |
| 02:21.44 | spinx | i had pfsense a few years back..it was pretty good, but id rather use linux |
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| 02:24.34 | spinx | i appreciate your help gnarface and everyone else. |
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| 02:25.41 | gnarface | spinx: no problem. good luck. |
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| 02:45.43 | rizzle | spinx: maybe try debian-live build and make a non writable debian sqaushfs based router |
| 02:46.05 | rizzle | I think that could be even more secure than a lot of what BSD has offer, if you set it up correctly |
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| 04:09.20 | tonytraductor | I took some (not good) advice about installing non-free nvidia drivers so my daughter could play minecraft on my machine, and it hosed the x-server. |
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| 04:09.39 | tonytraductor | I removed the nvidia stuff and got my x-server back, but now my sound card is no longer recognized |
| 04:09.47 | awc737 | I just switched from deb 7 to linux mint... should i be ashamed :( |
| 04:09.58 | scientes | tonytraductor, if you install nvidia install the debian way |
| 04:10.12 | tonytraductor | I re-installed/reloaded all my alsa stuff, but cat /proc/asound/card shows ----no soundcards--- |
| 04:10.17 | tonytraductor | the sound card was working fine, before. |
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| 04:10.29 | tonytraductor | I installed the nvidia stuff with aptitude. Is that not the debian way? |
| 04:10.35 | scientes | that is |
| 04:10.41 | tonytraductor | In any case, I don't care about the nvidia drivers now. I just want sound back. |
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| 04:11.11 | tonytraductor | hold on |
| 04:11.52 | tonytraductor | here's what lspci -v has to say about my soundcard (in my pastebin): http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?1b |
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| 04:17.01 | tonytraductor | almost everything I find online says run alsaconf. There is no alsaconf. |
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| 04:18.44 | LtL | tonytraductor: what does 'alsactl init' say as root |
| 04:19.16 | tonytraductor | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
| 04:19.53 | tonytraductor | sound was working fine before I tried to install the nvidia stuff, and there's definitely a card in there. |
| 04:20.34 | LtL | tonytraductor: i thought that may be the case, not sure what to do. I would think udev would pick it up, dmesg says anything? |
| 04:21.39 | tonytraductor | is this significant? (from dmesg, and the number is the same lspci lists for the soundcard): probe of 0000:00:14.2 failed with error -16 |
| 04:22.18 | tonytraductor | well, lspci lists this: 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]Hudson Azalia Controller (rev 01) |
| 04:22.23 | tonytraductor | the oo:14.2 is the same |
| 04:23.00 | LtL | tonytraductor: make sure the modules are loaded is all i can think of. |
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| 04:26.23 | tonytraductor | I used m-a and reloaded the alsa stuff, and also recofigured the kernel with dpkg. |
| 04:26.32 | tonytraductor | Isn't there something to detect the sound card again? |
| 04:27.18 | LtL | tonytraductor: udev's job i assumed. |
| 04:27.52 | squisher | tonytraductor, I'd guess that the probe that failed is the reason your sound card wasn't detected |
| 04:27.59 | squisher | try to google based on that |
| 04:28.04 | tonytraductor | It seems to me there used to be a way to detect a soundcard and reconfigure the sound server, but I can't find anything other than "run alsaconf", which no longer exists |
| 04:28.36 | LtL | yeah i miss alsaconf myself |
| 04:28.40 | tonytraductor | I did google that, but so far it hasn't been productive |
| 04:28.45 | squisher | btw I've never had these issues with the nvidia drivers :) |
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| 04:29.36 | squisher | ok, do you know what driver you need? what happens when you modprobe that module? |
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| 04:32.39 | tonytraductor | I have no idea. whatever driver, it was auto-installed when I installed on this machine. It's a generic, onboard mobo sound control, AMD, as listed in the lspci output I pasted. |
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| 04:33.54 | squisher | hm, ok, things changed since I've had to debug these alsa issues the last time, but try "modprobe snd_hda_codec_realtek" |
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| 04:34.08 | squisher | that's just a guess, but it's a popular choice on motherboards |
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| 04:34.26 | tonytraductor | I even reinstalled the firmware-linux-free package |
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| 04:35.14 | Arrowmaster | my new laptop has an unsupported ethernet chipset but a supported wifi chipset but i cant get past the configure network part of the installer |
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| 04:36.46 | squisher | Arrowmaster, just a guess, but maybe it's missing the firmware? |
| 04:37.15 | Arrowmaster | it is missing the firmware for the ethernet chipset |
| 04:37.25 | Arrowmaster | but i never even attempts to setup the wireless |
| 04:39.31 | tonytraductor | I don't know if this helps, or understand the output, but I did lsmod | grep snd, and got this output (pasted to my pastebin) http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?1x |
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| 04:40.42 | bubull3 | Arrowmaster: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:40.52 | Arrowmaster | just disabled the 'build in lan' option in the bios, going to see if that keeps the wifi enabled |
| 04:41.05 | pnkbst | I need help with a hosed debian install. it had an error installing emacs23. now apt-get remove emacs23-bin-common gives the error The following packages have unmet dependencies: emacs23 : Depends: emacs23-bin-common (= 23.4+1-4) but it is not going to be installed, then says to run apt-get -f install. running that then gets the original error with the package again |
| 04:41.40 | squisher | tonytraductor, is that after the modprobe? If not, try to "rmmod snd_hda_codec_realtek" and then again the modprobe |
| 04:41.46 | Arrowmaster | bubull3: i know, im using the unoffical installer image with firmware, the ethernet chip is an AR8162 thats not supported |
| 04:42.13 | tonytraductor | that was after modprobing the realtek thingy, yes. |
| 04:42.30 | tonytraductor | it's listed: snd_hda_codec_realtek 235714 0 |
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| 04:43.14 | squisher | ok then check /proc/asound/cards again |
| 04:43.37 | tonytraductor | still says "----no soundcards----" |
| 04:44.02 | tonytraductor | would a reboot force udev to detect stuff again? |
| 04:44.27 | LtL | tonytraductor: do this exist, /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 04:44.32 | LtL | does |
| 04:44.58 | tonytraductor | yes, indeed, /var/lib/alsa/asound.state exists |
| 04:45.00 | LtL | tonytraductor: try alsactl -f init |
| 04:45.28 | LtL | probably wont help |
| 04:46.08 | tonytraductor | just responds with "alsactl: Specify command..." |
| 04:46.36 | LtL | tonytraductor: try alsactl -f init /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 04:46.42 | tonytraductor | you probably meant -F (-f is file, looking for a config file) |
| 04:46.42 | squisher | I'd give a reboot a shot |
| 04:47.24 | bubull3 | Arrowmaster: then maybe you can install from a full CD ISO image and fix the problems later ? |
| 04:47.32 | tonytraductor | if I do "alsactl init -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state" it still says "alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found..." |
| 04:47.46 | tonytraductor | I'm going to reboot. Be right back. |
| 04:50.11 | pnkbst | nevermind. I think my hard disk is trashed |
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| 04:51.19 | tonytraductor | rebooting made no difference. /proc/asound/cards still says "--- no soundcards ---" |
| 04:52.25 | tonytraductor | perhaps errors from aplay will be useful? I pasted them: http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?13 |
| 04:53.30 | tonytraductor | this seems particularly relevant, perhaps: ALSA lib conf.c:4170:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such file or directory |
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| 04:56.03 | tonytraductor | could it be relevant that /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf says "blacklist soundcard"? |
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| 04:59.12 | squisher | tonytraductor, no as the filename says, that's oss stuff |
| 04:59.23 | squisher | alsa I think pretty much always uses the snd_ prefix |
| 04:59.32 | squisher | do you have the same probe error in dmesg? |
| 05:00.50 | squisher | tonytraductor, check /etc/modprobe.d and check if there are any options to realtek? |
| 05:01.03 | squisher | I still really fail to see how nvidia could have made a difference to all of this |
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| 05:04.36 | LtL | me too |
| 05:06.50 | tonytraductor | what am I looking for in modprobe.d? there are no files seeminly pertinent to realtek...should I just grep for realtek in everything in there? |
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| 05:07.19 | tonytraductor | grep realtek * (in /etc/modprobe.d) returns nothing |
| 05:07.33 | tonytraductor | even with "-i" |
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| 05:08.08 | tonytraductor | I tried to use OSS since ALSA wasn't working, but that, too, told me it could find no soundcard |
| 05:09.08 | tonytraductor | all I know about nvidia is that it's non-free, and after I installed it, it hosed my x server, and, apparently, my sound system. |
| 05:09.24 | squisher | tonytraductor, any other os on there to double check? in /etc/modprobe.d check all alsa-* files |
| 05:09.37 | tonytraductor | That's what I get for trying to install non-free stuff. May St. iGNUcious pray for my soul. I will never do it again. |
| 05:09.47 | squisher | haha |
| 05:09.54 | squisher | I'm running nvidia binaries w/o issues here |
| 05:10.00 | squisher | not that I like it, but they do work well |
| 05:10.05 | tonytraductor | another OS on this machine? Heck no. I only have Debian Stable on it. |
| 05:11.10 | tonytraductor | I'm completely astounded that we don't have a simple means of detecting the sound card and reconfiguring the sound system |
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| 05:12.43 | squisher | tonytraductor, usually it "just works" to be honest -- that's why it's difficult to help. I doubt you have a debian issue though, you may try #alsa |
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| 05:13.51 | squisher | tonytraductor, one more thing, did you purge the nvidia packages? In the off chance that they really were involved, that may be necessary |
| 05:14.31 | tonytraductor | I did just go through aptitude and find a few nvidia pkgs hanging around and uninstalled them |
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| 05:15.30 | tonytraductor | there was still some nvidia file in /etc/modprobe.d/, but it's gone now. |
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| 05:17.31 | tonytraductor | hmmm...but locate nvidia still shows nvidia stuff in /lib/modules/$kernel/video and in /usr/src/linux-headers-$kernel/include/config/fb |
| 05:19.40 | squisher | /lib/modules/$kernel/video should be save to delete (or you can just move it out of the way), the linux-headers stuff is part of the kernel and shouldn't be an issue |
| 05:19.55 | squisher | but even with the files under /lib you can always check with lsmod if they are actually loaded |
| 05:20.03 | tonytraductor | should snd-pcsp be blacklisted? It is in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 05:20.04 | squisher | good luck, gotta run |
| 05:20.13 | squisher | yeah I have that too (it's the speaker) |
| 05:20.28 | tonytraductor | lsmod | grep nvidia returns nothing |
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| 05:21.16 | squisher | hm, actually $kernel/video should be fine anyway -- afaik the nvidia stuff installs to $kernel/nvidia |
| 05:21.53 | squisher | wrong, mine is /lib/modules/3.6.5/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko |
| 05:21.57 | squisher | anyway, really off now :) |
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| 05:22.42 | tonytraductor | I also have something in /usr/lib/directfb-1.2-9/gfxdrivers/libdirectfb_nvidia.so |
| 05:23.25 | EasyAsPie_ | hi |
| 05:23.41 | tonytraductor | you know, I have another hdd on here with debian stable on it. Perhaps I should diff the alsa-base.conf files or something? |
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| 05:25.36 | LtL | tonytraductor: what sound card do you have, i missed it |
| 05:25.57 | LtL | EasyAsPie_: hi |
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| 05:30.55 | tonytraductor | the soundcard is just onboard mobo, generic, AMD, output from lspci -v for the card is pasted here: http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?1b |
| 05:31.24 | tonytraductor | how dangerous would it be to cp the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file from the other hdd to this one? |
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| 05:31.33 | tonytraductor | They're both Squeeze installations. |
| 05:32.18 | tonytraductor | sound was working on the other installation (just the hdd was getting old and buggy, getting bad sectors, so installed a new hdd a couple of months ago, but kept the old one so I could access stuff on it) |
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| 05:32.39 | tonytraductor | or is that likely to even help? could there be some other file I could cp over? |
| 05:33.06 | LtL | tonytraductor: what does lspci -nn output |
| 05:34.04 | tonytraductor | nah, actually those files look identical, anyway |
| 05:34.37 | tonytraductor | for the audio device, lspci -nn gives "00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller [1022:780d] (rev 01)" |
| 05:34.49 | tonytraductor | same as the first line of the paste from lspci -v, looks like |
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| 05:35.39 | LtL | tonytraductor: with no soundcards detected, without udev's help i'm not sure what to try. does /dev/snd exist |
| 05:36.11 | tonytraductor | hmmm, the older hdd has an oss-compat.conf and a i915-kms.conf that are both missing on this installation |
| 05:36.14 | LtL | , pciid 1022:780d |
| 05:36.17 | judd | [1022:780d] is 'FCH Azalia Controller' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:780d and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 05:36.33 | tonytraductor | yes, /dev/snd exists |
| 05:36.56 | LtL | and snd-hda-intel in lsmod? |
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| 05:37.40 | tonytraductor | snd_hda_intel 20035 0 (from lsmod) |
| 05:38.07 | tonytraductor | perhaps I need to reinstall oss-compat, and whatever is relevant to this i915-kms.conf ? |
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| 05:38.51 | LtL | tonytraductor: those are blacklisted on mine and i use snd-hda-intel also |
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| 05:39.34 | tonytraductor | ah, no the i915-kms.conf IS in both, but the newer (this) installation is missing a sound.conf in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 05:39.42 | tonytraductor | it now has oss-compat.conf, because I just installed that again. |
| 05:40.30 | tonytraductor | I'm guessing that just copying over a conf file to /etc/modprobe.d without doing whatever generated it in the first place is not likely going to be productive |
| 05:40.46 | tonytraductor | so I need to know what generates this /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf that is missing here, I'm guessing |
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| 05:41.13 | LtL | tonytraductor: what does /proc/asound/cards say on the other hdd |
| 05:41.40 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys, what Desktop Changer package can I use for debian? |
| 05:42.13 | Mohsen_Hassani | I mean background changer... |
| 05:42.45 | tonytraductor | nitrogen, gsetroot, |
| 05:43.36 | LtL | tonytraductor: well lspci shows your controller but no card |
| 05:43.57 | tonytraductor | oddly, /proc/ is empty on that other hdd...weird. |
| 05:44.00 | LtL | unless i missed it |
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| 05:47.04 | tonytraductor | well, there's definitely sound on the mobo. It's been working on this machine for almost a year (since January) on the other installation since then, and on this one until today. |
| 05:47.31 | tonytraductor | I'll be right back |
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| 05:50.59 | tonytraductor | well I copied over the sound.conf from the old install and rebooted, but it's still not finding the card |
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| 05:52.20 | tonytraductor | I'm going to boot to the older installation and see what difference there may be in lspci output for the soundcard, etc. |
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| 05:58.52 | tonytraductor | Okay, I'm on the old hdd, now, and sound is working. I pasted the entire output from lspci -v (not just the part for the audio controller) here: http://tonybaldwin.me/paste/index.php?7b |
| 05:59.21 | tonytraductor | I'll move back over to the new hdd and do the same. I was not aware that "audio controller" and "sound card" weren't the same thing. |
| 05:59.41 | LtL | tonytraductor: my mistake, probably are |
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| 06:00.07 | LtL | tonytraductor: not with my onboard though |
| 06:00.46 | Crypticfortune | In wheezy both GDM3 and KDM seem to have lost their language selection capability. What's the *right* way to do per-user language selection now? |
| 06:00.57 | tonytraductor | yeah, there's nothig else in there about audio or sound, so it must be the same thing |
| 06:01.16 | LtL | tonytraductor: my lspci http://paste.debian.net/214234/ |
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| 06:01.31 | tonytraductor | however, now, on the old hdd, I get output from /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:01.36 | tonytraductor | gives this: 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfd200000 irq 16 |
| 06:01.49 | LtL | tonytraductor: your onboard chip seems to be awol |
| 06:02.05 | tonytraductor | but it works when I boot to the older hdd |
| 06:02.18 | tonytraductor | so, just the newer installation isn't finding it |
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| 06:02.27 | LtL | tonytraductor: maybe we can do something wit that |
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| 06:03.17 | tonytraductor | playing Amortiguador by Andrea Echeverri in mocp perfectly right now |
| 06:04.05 | tonytraductor | It's just a matter of figuring out what's different on the other hdd...and the only thing I did over there between when the sound was working and when it stopped with messing with the nvidia drivers |
| 06:04.21 | tonytraductor | which, I agree, is odd, since those were video drivers, and shouldn't have anything to do with sound, no? |
| 06:04.31 | LtL | tonytraductor: modify /proc/asound/cards against this 'template' http://paste.debian.net/214235/ |
| 06:05.01 | tonytraductor | well, now, why would I modify said file on this installation, when it's working? |
| 06:05.04 | LtL | tonytraductor: with your info of course |
| 06:05.12 | tonytraductor | and would it not be smarter to copy what's working on this one to the other one? |
| 06:05.22 | tonytraductor | ah, right |
| 06:05.28 | LtL | tonytraductor: thats what i meant |
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| 06:06.01 | LtL | tonytraductor: trick the damn thing :) |
| 06:06.27 | tonytraductor | I pasted the output from this side, now will reboot to the other and try to precisely that |
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| 06:06.36 | tonytraductor | as soon as Andrea is done singing...mmmm |
| 06:07.00 | tonytraductor | ok, brb |
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| 06:10.11 | tonytraductor | wow...copying over the /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf must have done it, because, now I'm back on the new installation, and /proc/asound/cards has the same output as the other side, without my intervention |
| 06:10.22 | tonytraductor | just needed a reboot after adding back in the sound.conf, apparently |
| 06:11.04 | tonytraductor | apparently that file must allow the machine to detect the card and write to /proc/asound/cards on boot, or something |
| 06:11.16 | tonytraductor | phew...that was a headache. |
| 06:11.23 | tonytraductor | thanks all for your assistance! |
| 06:11.24 | LtL | tonytraductor: hrm, nice work i gotta remember that |
| 06:11.37 | tonytraductor | Not only is Debian the BEST OS EVER! but we also have the best community! :D |
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| 06:12.07 | tonytraductor | helps to have to hdd with the same os, apparently, so you can see why something is working on one and not the other |
| 06:12.07 | LtL | tonytraductor: they do, though i'll not take the credit :) |
| 06:12.14 | Leo | >.> |
| 06:12.35 | tonytraductor | I keep meaning to do something like install debian gnu/hurd on that hdd, now, or something, but, then again, having it around as-is just proved very handy |
| 06:13.30 | tonytraductor | You know Debian is awesome when it takes a fool like me nearly 4 years using it before I managed to really screw something up good. |
| 06:13.35 | LtL | tonytraductor: funny, i don't have a /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf |
| 06:13.52 | tonytraductor | sorry, can't hear you...what? |
| 06:13.54 | tonytraductor | :P |
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| 06:14.00 | LtL | heh |
| 06:14.00 | tonytraductor | that is weird |
| 06:14.14 | tonytraductor | but, but didn't you say you use OSS4 instead of ALSA or something? |
| 06:14.28 | tonytraductor | maybe that would explain such a difference |
| 06:14.31 | LtL | tonytraductor: not i |
| 06:14.37 | tonytraductor | must have been someone else |
| 06:14.45 | LtL | tonytraductor: thats a last resort |
| 06:14.47 | tonytraductor | and.or, maybe that file had nothing to do with it |
| 06:14.58 | tonytraductor | perhaps reinstalling oss-compat and getting that conf file back helped |
| 06:15.08 | tonytraductor | but still needed another reboot |
| 06:16.07 | tonytraductor | I wonder how long it would take me to hose a gnu/hurd system |
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| 06:16.31 | tonytraductor | It never took me long to mess up fedora or ubuntu. Those are easy to mess up. Just do a yum update or aptitude update |
| 06:16.39 | tonytraductor | updates always break stuff on those (in my experience) |
| 06:17.02 | tonytraductor | admittedly, it's been 4 years since I messed with ubuntu, and about 6 years since I used fedora |
| 06:17.24 | tonytraductor | but I was a RH/Fedora guy for about 7 years |
| 06:17.40 | LtL | been there, done them. |
| 06:18.36 | LtL | that sounded like something i'd say in a bar |
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| 06:23.09 | tonytraductor | ha! |
| 06:23.31 | Crypticfortune | Sorry, going to ask again: In wheezy both GDM3 and KDM seem to have lost their language selection capability. What's the *right* way to do per-user language selection now? ~/.dmrc now seems to be ignored...? |
| 06:23.54 | tonytraductor | well, my bed is calling me. |
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| 06:24.00 | tonytraductor | ciao, amigos |
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| 06:36.31 | ex-parrot | should /etc/hostname contain a fully qualified name or just the machine's hostname? |
| 06:36.55 | wols_ | hostname only |
| 06:37.06 | ex-parrot | that's what I thought. I run in to /so many/ boxes with the fqdn in there though :( |
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| 06:45.16 | ex-parrot | samba35: this might not be the best room to ask that question :) |
| 06:45.59 | samba35 | ok |
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| 06:51.45 | dondelelcaro | samba35: not sure what exactly you're doing, but presumably you want option domain-name "foo.bar"; man 5 dhcpd.conf for details. |
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| 06:53.16 | samba35 | i have dhcp server/utm (firewall ..internet gateway ) and i want fqdn to be configure from dhcp server |
| 06:54.13 | dondelelcaro | samba35: so use option domain-name in your dhcpd.conf. See the manpage for details. |
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| 07:02.34 | samba35 | i am using utm software on vmware and i have linux installed on vmware as a guest i have to configure fqdn on linux server from utm ,they use isc dhcp but with simpled with gui where they want hex code |
| 07:06.14 | ectospasm | samba35: what is "utm?" |
| 07:06.53 | samba35 | unified threat managment there are around 25 vendors |
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| 07:07.37 | samba35 | some are checkpoint ,juniper ,cisco ,fortinet ,cyberoam and many more |
| 07:08.02 | ectospasm | what distribution of Linux? Remember that this is a Debian channel... |
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| 07:08.37 | dondelelcaro | samba35: if it's not Debian, you'll need to ask your distribution/vendor. |
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| 07:36.20 | mal10c | just installed debian squeeze and I dont have any sound. can anyone help? |
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| 07:37.16 | jpinx | !alsa checklist |
| 07:37.17 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 07:37.25 | jpinx | mal10c: ^^^ |
| 07:37.42 | evilgenius101 | I have a fresh debian 6 install on a server, but its german. How do i get it to go all english |
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| 07:38.02 | mal10c | thanks jpinx, I'll see if I missed any of those in my google searches (fingers crossed) |
| 07:38.34 | wols_ | !tell evilgenius101 about locale |
| 07:39.29 | evilgenius101 | wols_, http://paste2.org/p/2559441 |
| 07:39.48 | jpinx | evilgenius101: set your locales |
| 07:40.18 | jpinx | or set per-user language |
| 07:40.44 | jpinx | with $LANG - ask dpkg for information |
| 07:40.59 | evilgenius101 | Okay i will |
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| 07:43.22 | evilgenius101 | does it need a reboot? |
| 07:43.49 | jpinx | no - should only need log out/in |
| 07:45.05 | evilgenius101 | #dpkg-reconfigure locales - selected en_us UTF8 and it regenerated and re-logged in. Same |
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| 07:49.46 | jpinx | evilgenius101: dunno - is it a vm on a german host maybe? |
| 07:50.10 | evilgenius101 | dedi - host german. |
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| 07:50.36 | jpinx | that might be the problem, but I'm not familiar with who that might work |
| 07:50.52 | jpinx | evilgenius101: you could try $LANG per-user maybe |
| 07:50.55 | noregret | is there a repo to use to get php 5.4 in squeeze ? the current repo has 5.3 |
| 07:51.21 | jpinx | noregret: did you look in backports? |
| 07:51.23 | evilgenius101 | Okay I will, once it comes back, accidently ran reboot |
| 07:51.38 | jpinx | evilgenius101: that might fix it ;) |
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| 07:51.56 | noregret | jpinx: sorry, don't know what that is |
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| 07:52.06 | noregret | jpinx: is it a repo ? |
| 07:52.26 | jpinx | !tell noregret about backports |
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| 07:53.02 | wols_ | evilgenius101: $LANGUAGE is still german |
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| 07:53.58 | evilgenius101 | well i sort of fixed it. with a few errors.. |
| 07:54.20 | evilgenius101 | I deleted locales and re-installed (apt-get) now its saying it can't find the DE ones but its in english otherwise |
| 07:55.04 | evilgenius101 | /bin/bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (de_DE.UTF-8) |
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| 07:56.12 | wols_ | that is no fix at all |
| 07:56.33 | evilgenius101 | I know, but at least I can read the output of commands now, german made no sense. |
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| 07:58.20 | evilgenius101 | fixed it |
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| 07:59.00 | evilgenius101 | ran -> export language="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 07:59.33 | wols_ | you sure it's lowercase? |
| 07:59.40 | evilgenius101 | upper case i used |
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| 08:00.31 | evilgenius101 | Lesson learnt: If its not broken, break it, only then you can fix it |
| 08:00.35 | evilgenius101 | ; |
| 08:00.44 | evilgenius101 | Thank you wols_ and jpinx. |
| 08:01.08 | noregret | jpinx: well yeah, nothing in backports |
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| 08:03.03 | tralala | any audio equalizer recommendations? It seems that there's nothing in debian. |
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| 08:13.01 | jpinx | tralala: vlc has one in options |
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| 08:14.59 | BoozeWooz | hmm hei's! |
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| 08:15.46 | tralala | jpinx, what about system-wise? |
| 08:16.03 | jpinx | tralala: no idea |
| 08:16.14 | BoozeWooz | huh? |
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| 08:38.30 | BARLT | ciao |
| 08:38.32 | BARLT | !list |
| 08:38.32 | dpkg | barlt: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 08:50.05 | alusion_ | I have a newer nvidia card on my debian machine |
| 08:50.11 | alusion_ | that I am trying to install drivers for |
| 08:50.28 | alusion_ | that I'm having a hard time with.. |
| 08:50.58 | wols_ | which card, which debian version? |
| 08:51.05 | alusion_ | 670, wheezy |
| 08:51.06 | MrFrood | !tell alusion_ about nvidia |
| 08:51.51 | wols_ | wheezy has nvidia 304.x and should run fine with gtx670 |
| 08:52.16 | wols_ | alusion_: so what specific problem do you have? |
| 08:56.24 | alusion_ | I'm having a hardtime installing. smxi isn't working as it should |
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| 09:04.54 | wols_ | smxi is what? and where do you install it from? if from nvidia.com, then you're at the wrong place |
| 09:05.31 | wols_ | alusion_: are you running MEPIS? |
| 09:05.49 | alusion_ | no I have not heard of that |
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| 09:05.55 | alusion_ | I'm not installing from nvidia |
| 09:06.06 | alusion_ | I'm going to try with sgfxi |
| 09:06.08 | wols_ | alusion_: why do you talk about smxi then? |
| 09:06.18 | wols_ | those are all the wrong ways to install anything on debian |
| 09:06.42 | wols_ | you are obviously not running debian. please ask your distro of choice for support instead |
| 09:06.52 | alusion_ | I am running debian |
| 09:07.06 | alusion_ | http://smxi.org/site/faqs-sgfxi.htm |
| 09:07.23 | alusion_ | My friend referred me to here to easily install drivers for my card |
| 09:07.25 | wols_ | we cannot support 3rd party scripts like this. ask the providers of those scripts instead |
| 09:07.44 | wols_ | your friend did you a great disservice. better avoid advice from him in the future about debian |
| 09:07.49 | alusion_ | is there a more 'official' or alternative way? |
| 09:08.01 | alusion_ | oh I got it to work |
| 09:08.06 | alusion_ | Very nicely in fact. |
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| 09:08.09 | wols_ | yes there is, but deity knows what these scripts broke in your debian by now |
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| 09:08.26 | alusion_ | sgfxi was a success in installing the necessary drivers actually |
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| 09:08.43 | wols_ | it might be. but most probably it will break with the next debian update |
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| 09:09.48 | alusion_ | Is there a more recommended way of getting the drivers installed perhaps? |
| 09:10.09 | alusion_ | I do not wish for a temporary solution. I prefer stability |
| 09:11.30 | wols_ | !tell alusion_ about nvidia |
| 09:11.49 | epitamizor | how do I set geany to show all files whenever the "open file" dialog appears |
| 09:12.03 | wols_ | but: after you tried several other ways, it might have changed something in your installation which it shouldn't. these scripts often do |
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| 09:12.14 | epitamizor | it doesnt show hidden files, how do I change that |
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| 09:13.25 | alusion_ | I need to transfer files onto my windows drive. do you know how I can mount it from the cmd line? |
| 09:13.43 | alusion_ | isn't is basic like mount __ |
| 09:13.56 | wols_ | !ntfsrw |
| 09:13.56 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 09:14.26 | epitamizor | or use a network share thats safer |
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| 09:14.58 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. I need to give a shell access for a user which would only be able to do 'cat' and 'more' commands. Is there any way I can restrict his SSH account so that he won't be able to execute anything else? |
| 09:16.05 | alusion_ | I'll get back to this on a fresh mind, thanks for the help wols_ ^_^ |
| 09:16.51 | alusion_ | S-stay healthy |
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| 09:17.26 | KsM | hid3: you'd have to change groups/file permissions |
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| 09:18.35 | epitamizor | hid3, or you could set up selinux policy if you know how |
| 09:19.17 | KsM | but I guess the easiest way would be to make a /restricted (or something), copy executables there, make a "restricted" group, chown -R root:restricted, chmod -R 750 /restricted |
| 09:19.36 | KsM | then set his shell's PATH there |
| 09:19.57 | epitamizor | yeah some kind of chroot jail would work |
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| 09:20.29 | KsM | that's probably better, I just realized you'd still have to change /usr and /bin anyway so everything I just said is pointless |
| 09:20.49 | KsM | (unless you were to chroot jail him there) |
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| 09:29.29 | RigidWig | Hey all, with these settings: http://i.imgur.com/1p4Y2.png, I seem to be able to "aplay -D plughw:1,7 wav.wav", but using just -D hw:1,7, it returns "Channels count non available", and I can't figure out how to get sound on the whole system... |
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| 09:32.33 | hid3 | KsM: any ideas if I can do this via authorized_keys2 file specifying command="<the commands>"? |
| 09:32.39 | epitamizor | RigidWig, thats not enough |
| 09:32.57 | RigidWig | epitamizor not enough what? |
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| 09:34.11 | epitamizor | RigidWig, use the plughw |
| 09:35.16 | RigidWig | epitamizor I tried to use "plughw" instead of "hw" in asound.conf, but the system still has no sound and in fact aplay wont play a .wav no matter what with those settings, for some reason... |
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| 09:36.15 | epitamizor | RigidWig, you have pcm and ctl, you need another pcm that specifies type plug |
| 09:37.33 | epitamizor | RigidWig, but I use dmix on my plug so it plays more than one at a time |
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| 09:38.03 | RigidWig | epitamizor I will try that now. So you mean add sometiung like this: "pcm.hdmi { type plug card 1 device 7 }? |
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| 09:38.20 | RigidWig | or maybe you could tell me what to try? (i'm kinda new to this whole thing) |
| 09:38.31 | jawo | how can i do proper load testing on apache? I want to load the images and css etc? |
| 09:39.15 | epitamizor | RigidWig, did you read the asound website? It tells exactly whats going on for certain configs |
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| 09:39.40 | epitamizor | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| 09:39.54 | RigidWig | I went through most of the documentation pages, I guess it just gets daunting at some point after having tried so many different asound.conf settings to no avail |
| 09:40.07 | RigidWig | but I'll look through it for the dmix thing you mentioned... |
| 09:40.18 | epitamizor | wait not that one this one http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
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| 09:50.10 | Achylles | I got Debian Iso multi-arch dvd and upon trying to install it says that cannot proceed because it has no kernel to install. How can it be that a DVD with more than 3gigs does not have a kernel for off-line installing? I cannot understand why it is there for people to download! |
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| 09:51.14 | epitamizor | maybe you grabbed the wrong dvd |
| 09:51.41 | epitamizor | some dvd's have just the packages |
| 09:51.48 | Achylles | It is the right one > testing > multi-arch |
| 09:52.56 | epitamizor | and whats weird is before it installs it grabs the latest from mirrors anyway so its pointless to dl the dvd |
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| 09:53.50 | themill | the wheezy kernel recently went through an ABI bump -- that often breaks some installer images (but normally only the smallest ones) |
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| 09:55.45 | Achylles | epitamizor, So, what the point of putting them there. Only to fool people and make them to waste time? In my case I have a very low bandwidth. Where is the Debian Website transparency? |
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| 09:56.30 | themill | Achylles: well, if you only have low bandwidth, getting the dvd isn't a great plan, let alone the multi-arch one that has an entire arch you won't yse |
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| 09:58.10 | wols_ | Achylles: the point is, it's beta software still in development. these images are not there for people to actually use them but for people to try them to test and debug them. someone with limited ressoruces who wants a working system is NOT the intended audience for these images |
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| 09:58.37 | Achylles | themill, I already downloaded that. What I mean is that: Why do they not say that it is not fit for installing off-line? What is the point of putting a 3g dvd there for people to download if it is not going to work? |
| 09:58.55 | epitamizor | i've dl'd huge iso's b4 but sometimes it gets corrupted, did you check integrity |
| 09:59.31 | wols_ | Achylles: did you download a squeeze or a wheezy DVD? |
| 09:59.42 | Achylles | epitamizor, it was ok. mdsum is alright |
| 10:00.04 | Achylles | wols_, testing > wheezy > multi-arch |
| 10:00.13 | wols_ | then why do you complain? |
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| 10:00.59 | epitamizor | somone is probably laughing at all those ppl that dl that and find out it doesn't work |
| 10:01.45 | wols_ | debian testing installer images are always provided for one reason only: to test the installer and make it bugfree for release. no other reason |
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| 10:02.28 | Achylles | wols_, I am complaining because the iso is there for downloading and it does not say that it is not going do work for off-line installation. I mean there should be more transparency about why the image there |
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| 10:03.49 | epitamizor | I wouldn't trust half the dl's from the debian images, they change on a daily basis |
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| 10:04.33 | epitamizor | I dl'd once but then days later when I needed to troublshoot i could not find the same |
| 10:04.49 | Achylles | epitamizor, it is not about changing packages it is about having a working kernel in the image to finish off the installation. |
| 10:06.16 | Achylles | So, to whom should I complain? |
| 10:06.44 | epitamizor | I would send out mass email to dev and support team |
| 10:07.22 | Achylles | I mean, at least to state that that image is not for off-line installation. |
| 10:07.25 | wols_ | Achylles: to yourself and your inability to read |
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| 10:07.46 | wols_ | Achylles: which webpage told you to use this image to install debian? |
| 10:08.27 | epitamizor | he just wants more transparancy and accountability |
| 10:08.28 | Achylles | wols_, the official debian webpage. |
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| 10:09.08 | Achylles | wols_, point me then where is the place that I should had read. |
| 10:09.16 | wols_ | Achylles: really? URL please? cause I have to skip a LOT of links to debian stable ISOs and can't easily find any testing one |
| 10:09.19 | epitamizor | as it is now, some robot proly puts the images up for dl for all I know |
| 10:09.37 | wols_ | Achylles: debian.org has a link "getting debian" which immediately points you to a debian stable ISO |
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| 10:11.20 | epitamizor | theres like 100+ links to dl 20+ different versions of debian |
| 10:11.47 | wols_ | epitamizor: but you need to really hunt to get a link to a testing installer |
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| 10:13.00 | Achylles | wols_, look here. I have been using debian for more than 10 years and I remember installing testing-offline through a DVD-testing image. Do you mean that it is not possible to install testing through a DVD image, but stable? |
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| 10:13.37 | martxel | good morning |
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| 10:17.03 | wols_ | Achylles: I mean you should learn a lot more about debian before using testing when you think testing images are there for people to install debian. I wrote above for what they are made available |
| 10:17.42 | wols_ | file a bug report if you want against debian-installer but always expect a broken system when using testing installers. Expect your hardware to blow up |
| 10:19.17 | epitamizor | but it should be a disclaimer for why its on the website he wants that |
| 10:19.33 | Achylles | wols_, I have used testing for ages and have had any problem with a broken system. I use what I want. I am free :) |
| 10:19.42 | wols_ | epitamizor: he still hasn't given a link |
| 10:19.45 | Achylles | I am not tied to stable |
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| 10:20.40 | Achylles | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 10:22.13 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:22.47 | wols_ | and to report bugs in the appropriate channels which are given |
| 10:23.02 | epitamizor | :() |
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| 10:28.12 | Achylles | wols_, You asked for the page. I pointed you there. Where in that page it says that testing is buggy and does not fit for installation? I think you want only to argue without a cause :) |
| 10:28.50 | themill | testing is called testing for a reason |
| 10:29.11 | formorer | its obvoious that the term "testing" means in real "stable" |
| 10:29.35 | themill | btw did you actually use this installer offline? or did you give it a network connection at the time? |
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| 10:30.39 | Achylles | But, testing can had a kernel. I remember that I already used testing DVD in the past and I was able to install the system off-line. Was it only me that had that experience? |
| 10:31.01 | Achylles | I mean can have |
| 10:31.33 | formorer | depending on the current state of testing, this can work. but its never guarenteed |
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| 10:33.20 | Achylles | themill, of course I chose offline, because that was the point of downloading the 4gigs DVD. |
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| 10:35.01 | ex-parrot | anyone else having trouble with the linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 package? I am getting "cannot read the linux header" errors from grub, and I've tried downloading the package from several mirrors |
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| 10:37.34 | wols_ | ex-parrot: sounds more like a problem with your harddisk or such than the kernel. |
| 10:38.19 | Achylles | formorer, Do you think that if I download the DVD-stable version I will be able to install off-line? Does that really comes with a working kernel? So that I can install that and change the sources.list to testing? |
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| 10:39.01 | formorer | yes. |
| 10:39.59 | Achylles | How can I check that out? |
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| 10:40.21 | Achylles | not to waste my time again? |
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| 10:41.15 | wols_ | if it doesn't work, you are free to make a bugreport. you DO have made a installation report about your testing install, right? |
| 10:41.23 | formorer | if offline installation doesn't work its a bug |
| 10:42.09 | Achylles | ok |
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| 10:42.10 | Achylles | thx |
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| 10:42.19 | Achylles | I will try again. |
| 10:42.26 | ex-parrot | wols_: you might think so, but the sha256sum of the /boot/vmlinuz-etc file on this machine and one where it boots matches |
| 10:42.46 | ex-parrot | so unless the filesystem is broken in some curious way that trips up grub but which a booted Debian Squeeze install can read properly... |
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| 10:53.21 | blink | Squeeze-amd64-xfce-desktop on Asus M4a88TMLE board |
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| 10:54.54 | blink | hangups at no system load |
| 10:55.48 | sussudio | blink: have you tried running memtest86? |
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| 11:01.48 | blink | No |
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| 11:02.35 | blink | pc is idle during hangups usually. |
| 11:02.46 | sussudio | blink: apt-get install memtest86+ then reboot, choose memtest in the boot menu |
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| 11:04.54 | blink | Yes , can Memtest86+ be used from older version? |
| 11:06.37 | wols_ | yes |
| 11:06.47 | blink | Thank you. |
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| 11:12.14 | sussudio | blink: you can also burn a memtest86+ image to a cdr or make a floppy disk |
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| 11:15.59 | Walex | blink: apart from memory a very common cause of system crashes is poor power. But that usually happen when the system is busy. But note that a system under no sustained load can often do a short burst of busy. |
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| 11:18.31 | lancelot_of | hi |
| 11:18.41 | lancelot_of | is there any way to "clean" the kernel messages shown in console at suspend-to-disk time? |
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| 11:20.44 | Walex | lancelot_of: depends what you mean by "clean" |
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| 11:21.18 | Walex | lancelot_of: you could also adopt the biblical recommendation: if your ... offends you, ... |
| 11:21.20 | lancelot_of | Walex, just remove them from console screen, not from log files |
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| 11:22.06 | Walex | lancelot_of: depends on what you mean by "remove". Isn't just clearing the console enough for you? |
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| 11:23.37 | lancelot_of | Walex, to clean the console i should log in in console.It's not what i need. I'm in X, when i suspend to disk or to ram console screen appears and there are some kernel messages |
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| 11:26.24 | lancelot_of | Walex, on that screen i can't do ^C |
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| 11:27.32 | blink | Thank you, Walex. |
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| 11:42.54 | ChrisH | blubster: yes its possible. |
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| 11:43.24 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 11:54.59 | blubster | I got it. hostapd seems not to work when using the stronger SHA256 algorithm |
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| 12:10.59 | Walex | wuffi600: if you are doing system integration you should know it is a difficult task, you can't expect to just put random stuff together and it just works... |
| 12:11.50 | Walex | wuffi600: and some errors like that might be chipset (host adapter) errors, as host adapter firmware is often phenomenally buggy |
| 12:11.50 | milligan | I have a residual tomcat6 init script in /etc/init.d/ and in several of the runlevel scopes. Is there a global command to remove it? I have uninstalled tomcat6, manually installed tomcat 7, and created an init script for it. I want to remove tomcat6 and replace it with tomcat7 |
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| 12:13.17 | themill | milligan: init scripts are conffiles so they don't get deleted until you "purge" the package ("remove" is not enough). /msg dpkg purge |
| 12:13.36 | themill | milligan: that said, if you don't currently have an init script for tomcat7, you might want to copy the tomcat6 one over and edit it |
| 12:13.42 | milligan | themill, I ran a purge on it, but they didn't disappear :( |
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| 12:13.47 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 12:13.53 | themill | milligan: did you purge the right package? |
| 12:13.56 | milligan | themill, I have already got a working one for 7 :) |
| 12:14.13 | Walex | milligan given that you have manually installed tomcat7, who knows what has happened while you were doing that. |
| 12:14.13 | milligan | Package tomcat6 is not installed, so not removed |
| 12:14.16 | bluesm | How to write the script which will login to computer by ssh? And then perform certain task (say for several ip numbers) ? |
| 12:14.31 | milligan | Walex, yeah, tar -xvzf is likely to affect the whole system :P |
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| 12:14.58 | formorer | bluesm: ssh foo@bar.de "<your command>" |
| 12:15.03 | Walex | bluesm: there are already many of those, do a web search for "parallel ssh" |
| 12:15.11 | formorer | otherwise: expect, fabric, rexify or something similiar |
| 12:15.18 | bluesm | formorer: But what about password ? |
| 12:15.38 | milligan | themill, can I simply delete the scripts from each runlevel ? |
| 12:15.47 | formorer | bluesm: you really want to use keys |
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| 12:18.16 | blink | sussudio:Walex:memtest86+ (4.20) returns normal on xfce-desktop.iso +amd64 |
| 12:18.23 | themill | milligan: you can, but you shouldn't need to -- purging the package should have been enough |
| 12:18.40 | themill | milligan: what does "aptitude purge tomcat6" say? |
| 12:19.08 | milligan | themill, that the package is uninstalled and doesn't exist. But I cleared out the mess. How about adding the new script? I've run it manually, and /etc/init.d/tomcat7 start works perfectly etc.. |
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| 12:20.19 | milligan | themill, update-rc.d tomcat7 defaults, I guess.. ? |
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| 12:20.32 | themill | milligan: yeah, that should work fine |
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| 12:20.53 | formorer | bluesm: the internet is full of docmentation about ssh and key authentication |
| 12:22.05 | themill | dpkg: tell bluesm about ssh keys |
| 12:22.43 | SkAzZ | Does anyone know the name of that IRC bot proxy thing? The one that keeps you in the irc channel from one location and you can connect to it via other devices... |
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| 12:25.56 | excalibr | Is there way to find all binaries that have file caps set on? |
| 12:26.42 | themill | SkAzZ: there are lots -- znc and psybnc are amongst the more popular ones |
| 12:27.29 | milligan | SkAzZ, I use sbnc .. pretty happy with that, even though it has nothing of functionality :P |
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| 12:32.27 | bluesm | themill: But what if my root password have 4 letters ? |
| 12:32.38 | bluesm | themill: I can't save it as, key. |
| 12:32.46 | themill | eh? |
| 12:33.46 | waq | 4 letter root password, Good idea... |
| 12:34.15 | bluesm | waq: It's not mine, and change pass on 20 computers is rather not handy. |
| 12:35.57 | wuffi600 | Walex: thanx for your hint |
| 12:36.24 | babilen | introduces bluesm to dsh, dish or clustershell (i.a) |
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| 12:39.10 | SkAzZ | themill: milligan: Thanks for the names, I will check them out =] |
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| 12:40.26 | bluesm | babilen: So without applying keys on 20 computers, i couldn't log in without password, |
| 12:40.33 | bluesm | using keys ? |
| 12:40.43 | yakamo | anyone know of a good way to monitor all web traffic and ips |
| 12:40.48 | SkAzZ | If they are all linux you can use they add-key or whatever command it is |
| 12:41.03 | SkAzZ | TOo many blue's for tab complete -.- |
| 12:41.53 | p0g0 | bluesm: add a new user with root level security, make a real password for that user, make the ssh keys and log in as the new user. |
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| 12:43.24 | bluesm | p0g0: On every computer? |
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| 12:44.24 | SkAzZ | "ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@server.example.com" |
| 12:44.36 | SkAzZ | you then have to log into that user once on each machine |
| 12:44.38 | p0g0 | bluesm: yep, it's a 1 time thing on each machine, then you can use the ssh keys to authenticate and automate the secure shell login . |
| 12:47.49 | babilen | bluesm: I don't quite understand what the problem is with configuring 20 boxes in such a way that you can login and acquire root privileges. |
| 12:50.36 | babilen | bluesm: I agree with SkAzZ that using ssh-copy-id (possibly inside a loop) is the way to do it and it would definitely simplify your work in the future. (being able to log into /secure/ accounts without a password (don't forget to use passphrases on the keys!)) |
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| 12:58.39 | blink | Help on Error message on live-build: No package afio ,mo package fob. |
| 13:00.33 | blink | ,no* |
| 13:01.59 | babilen | blink: Try #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) if you don't get any help here. Did you search for that error message on /the internet/ ? |
| 13:03.13 | blink | No, will search now. oftc is very silent most of the times. |
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| 13:05.41 | babilen | blink: Did you configure anything specific in relation to afio and/or fob by chance? |
| 13:06.09 | blink | No. sid + rescue |
| 13:06.25 | babilen | blink: afio is no longer part of Debian (since squeeze) and I have no idea what fob might be ... |
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| 13:07.01 | babilen | blink: Could you maybe paste the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? I now near to nothing about live-build, but that would certainly help |
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| 13:07.07 | babilen | *know |
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| 13:11.57 | bluesm | babilen: Is there any way without, entering to 20 computes manually ? |
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| 13:12.20 | babilen | bluesm: doing what without that? |
| 13:13.33 | bluesm | babilen: Entering to ssh withing bash script? |
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| 13:14.07 | themill | bluesm: wouldn't that be a pretty terrible security hole if it were possible to ssh into any machine without first permitting you to do so? |
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| 13:15.04 | bluesm | themill: But I have root, to each of them... |
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| 13:15.27 | bluesm | themill: I could login but "normally" with interactive shell prompting me for password.. |
| 13:16.10 | themill | bluesm: so do so. Or configure a way so you can do this with keys. Magic isn't going to happen just because you keep asking about it on irc. |
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| 13:17.48 | babilen | bluesm: I was thinking of something like: for HOST in host1 host2 host3 ; do ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub $HOST ; done |
| 13:18.16 | blink | babilen: paste.debian.net/214302 holds the log |
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| 13:20.40 | bluesm | babilen: But anyway I have to, set on every computer, keys right ? |
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| 13:21.20 | babilen | bluesm: You have to copy the key to each host, yeah |
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| 13:21.56 | themill | bluesm: if you could magically permit logins to all of these hosts without specifically configuring that, would you not be worried? |
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| 13:29.13 | bluesm | themill: But somebody, have to, have the root pass ... |
| 13:29.22 | babilen | blink: What was your command? |
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| 13:29.38 | ketkulka | hi. can someone please help me if and where i can get precompiled x86_64 debian kernel image? |
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| 13:31.48 | babilen | bluesm: You need the password at least *once* to log into the box, yes. I would strongly recommend to use a secure root password and then create a new user. Configure the SSHD on all those boxes in such a way that you can only login using keys. Continue by creating a good key with a passphrase for your user locally and copy that one to all boxes in question. From then on you can easily log into all those boxes without having to enter a password ... |
| 13:31.54 | ChrisH | ketkulka: aptiude search linux-image look for amd64 |
| 13:31.54 | babilen | ... again. |
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| 13:32.41 | babilen | ketkulka: You probably want either linux-image-2.6-amd64 (squeeze) or linux-image-amd64 (backports, wheezy, sid) |
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| 13:33.13 | ketkulka | ChisH: i will try that |
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| 13:33.38 | ketkulka | babilen: i am looking for 3.7 - latest one released. |
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| 13:34.21 | babilen | ketkulka: Which Debian release do you use? |
| 13:34.32 | babilen | ketkulka: Why do you need 3.7 ? |
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| 13:35.15 | ketkulka | babilen: for some experimentations |
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| 13:36.10 | babilen | ketkulka: 3.7 has not (yet) been packaged for Debian -- And AFAIK 3.7 has not yet been released (isn't it rc8 for now?) |
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| 13:36.40 | ketkulka | babilen: yes. by 3.7 i mean 3.7-rc8. sorry for confusion |
| 13:36.44 | babilen | ketkulka: Which Debian release do you use? And could be more specific than "some experimentations" ? |
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| 13:37.33 | babilen | ketkulka: 3.6 is in experimental and you can, naturally, compile your own kernel. The procedure is detailed in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 13:38.04 | ketkulka | babilen: i am on 3.0. I need TFO support for my kernel which is in 3.7* |
| 13:38.17 | ketkulka | babilen: thanks for the link. I will go through it. |
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| 13:38.59 | babilen | ketkulka: Where is your 3.0 kernel from? |
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| 13:39.34 | ketkulka | babilen: i had compiled it. however i now thought if it is available precompiled would save my time :) |
| 13:39.47 | babilen | ketkulka: Or do you mean Debian 3.0 ? (which would be ancient, woody was released in 2002-07-19) |
| 13:39.56 | babilen | ketkulka: Which Debian version do you use? |
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| 13:41.25 | ketkulka | its Ubuntu 11.10 and kernel 3.0. |
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| 13:42.36 | babilen | ketkulka: You are aware that you are asking in #debian, aren't you? We *only* support Debian in here and you should ask in #ubuntu from now on (or use Debian) |
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| 14:11.15 | ksk | hey guys, got a question regarding a bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619415 |
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| 14:11.44 | ksk | the maintainer said bug is fixed in "-2" - do i get this right this version will never make it into squeeze? |
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| 14:12.10 | blink | babilen: this was a build by l-b.d.n at their website. |
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| 14:12.58 | wolf29 | anyone using zenoss? |
| 14:13.18 | wolf29 | built on debian? |
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| 14:14.31 | abrotman | ksk: of which package ? |
| 14:14.41 | ChrisH | ,v keepalived |
| 14:14.42 | judd | Package: keepalived on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.15-1; squeeze: 1:1.1.20-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.2.2-3; wheezy: 1:1.2.2-3; experimental: 1:1.2.6-1 |
| 14:14.48 | ChrisH | thats what this bug is about |
| 14:15.03 | abrotman | so it's fixed in backports? |
| 14:15.29 | ChrisH | fixed in 1.1.20-2 from my understanding. means from bpo on |
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| 14:15.58 | abrotman | ksk: not likely, notice that squeeze is 1.1.x and squeeze backports is 1.2.x |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | ksk: so you'll have ot use backports if you want the fix |
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| 14:40.13 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm using texlive, and I'm trying to figure out how to use this font: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/quattrocento |
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| 14:40.55 | nmschulte | I can't figure out how to update the font-map with texlive; I've unzipped the contents into /home/nmschulte/texmf, and I've ran "texhash /home/nmschulte/texmf". |
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| 14:42.06 | BadCodSmell | I would like to make a usb installed for debian that is automated like kickstart. Debian has a number of options it would appear but nothing seels as simple and reliable as kickstart. Can anyone make some suggestions? |
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| 14:47.50 | bluesm | What "pm" in pm-hibernate stands for ? |
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| 14:48.08 | roaet | you're in overflow! |
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| 14:48.19 | dcherniv | power management |
| 14:48.20 | roaet | not really |
| 14:48.21 | roaet | :P |
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| 14:53.35 | engla | pm-powersave can do that |
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| 15:00.33 | bluesm | engla: But it takes only, "true or false" |
| 15:00.43 | bluesm | engla: there is more specific way ? |
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| 15:02.44 | engla | sure |
| 15:03.02 | engla | that function should run the scripts for power state changes though |
| 15:03.23 | engla | (/etc/pm/) |
| 15:03.26 | RigidWig | maybe someone can make this clear for me: if "aplay -D plughw:1,7 whatever.wav" outputs sound, what should my asound.conf look like to make sure all system sounds use that device. I've tried everything and nothing has worked thus far... |
| 15:04.05 | engla | bluesm: What about gnome power manager or xfce power manager ? |
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| 15:05.20 | bluesm | engla: Mhm ok thank you very much :) |
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| 15:06.10 | jhutchins_wk | RigidWig: It's not just your asound.conf that affects that. Many individual programs still have to be told to use alsa. |
| 15:06.16 | woshty | what is the md package called that has all the start scripts and stuff? |
| 15:06.30 | jhutchins_wk | RigidWig: If you're using a big DE like Gnome or KDE, the DE needs to be configured to use it. |
| 15:06.52 | RigidWig | jhutchins_wk, is there a way to direct all system sounds to that .conf for output? |
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| 15:15.40 | woshty | found it: mdadm |
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| 15:17.47 | CQ | can someone please tellme why this script does not work??? It tells me "function" is not found ...http://paste.debian.net/214324/ |
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| 15:18.52 | CQ | nmv... I was invoking it with /bin/sh and then the #!/bin/bash doesn't seem to catch... |
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| 15:19.15 | GoodManBlues | yeah make sure you invoke it right |
| 15:19.31 | ChrisH | CQ run it bash -xv ./script and check the output |
| 15:19.39 | cockroach | CQ: if you use "quit() {" instead of "function quit {" it should be compatible with other shells too |
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| 15:20.51 | CQ | sh complained about the () |
| 15:21.06 | CQ | oh, drop the function keyword...s ec |
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| 15:21.56 | CQ | yep, works, cool. Thanks! |
| 15:22.04 | cockroach | you're welcome |
| 15:22.23 | cockroach | it can be a PITA if scripts don't work right everywhere :) |
| 15:22.31 | themill | checkbashisms ftw |
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| 15:23.01 | cockroach | ah nice, didn't know about checkbashisms |
| 15:23.04 | engla | POSIX shell doc http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html |
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| 15:24.52 | SiDz | where can i find help about "regex" |
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| 15:25.17 | SiDz | connregex = "\\*\\*\\* Notice -- Client connecting: ([^ ]+) \\(([^@]+)@([^\\)]+)\\) \\[([0-9\\.]+)\\].*"; |
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| 15:25.25 | SiDz | id need to make a regex to fit that |
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| 15:25.49 | SiDz | the ones in bopm.conf arent right |
| 15:26.14 | cockroach | SiDz: man pcre |
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| 15:26.25 | cockroach | scratch that, wrong one |
| 15:26.53 | cockroach | man pcrepattern should be more informative |
| 15:26.55 | jelly | SiDz: first figure out which regex variant you're using, then man 7 regex for POSIX RE and ERE, and http://www.regular-expressions.info/ for other |
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| 15:27.14 | cockroach | ... or what jelly said :) |
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| 15:40.44 | kakila | Hi, I am suffering freezes in X. I see no errors in any log I checked. Can aynbody help? |
| 15:40.50 | kakila | I thought it was the i915 driver, but I see no error execept for a kernel error saying tht _DSM function could be found. Does anybody thing that can be the problem? |
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| 15:41.43 | dcherniv | kakila, hard freezes? can you drop to shell? |
| 15:42.29 | Nik05 | hey guys im installing a program and i noticed that some depedencies get installed as "manual installed" and not "automatic" |
| 15:42.35 | Nik05 | how does this work? |
| 15:42.37 | kakila | dcherniv, no I can't do anything. The fan is still going on, but screen freezes, e.g. clock not working. No input possible, keybaord or screen. |
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| 15:43.42 | dcherniv | kakila, run lspci | grep -i net |
| 15:44.13 | kakila | dcherniv, ok, be patient becasue I am in ircII and text mod eonly... be right back |
| 15:44.54 | dcherniv | kakila, oh so you can connect thru ssh? |
| 15:45.49 | kakila | dcherniv, yes I can use ssh |
| 15:46.00 | kakila | dcherniv, what's your suggestion? |
| 15:46.38 | dcherniv | kakila, if you have this wifi chipset RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) it might be the issue |
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| 15:48.40 | kakila | dcherniv, RTL8111/8168B PCIe (rev 0a) |
| 15:49.08 | kakila | dcherniv how to diagnose what is causing the problem? |
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| 15:49.59 | kakila | dcherniv, also an Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network adapter (rev 01) |
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| 15:51.45 | kakila | dcherniv sahl I install formware for the atheros? |
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| 15:52.50 | babilen | kakila: Have you completed the X server debugging instructions I pointed out to you in #debian-next? |
| 15:53.19 | kakila | babilen, I may have lost your instructions due to this going off and on. Could you send em the link again? |
| 15:53.37 | babilen | kakila: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging -- How easily can you reproduce the freeze? |
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| 15:53.57 | kakila | lynx! |
| 15:54.09 | dcherniv | kakila, those chips are good. My problem was hard freeze no shell even, spend months trying to pinpoint the issue. |
| 15:54.50 | kakila | dcherniv, I am testign shell only now |
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| 15:55.52 | babilen | kakila: How easily can your reproduce those freezes? |
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| 15:55.55 | Walex | Nik05_: most likely those are "recommended" dependencies. |
| 15:56.24 | babilen | kakila: Due to the fact that you asked in #debian-next I assume that you are using wheezy. Is that correct? |
| 15:57.29 | Nik05 | Walex so recommends get installed without +M? |
| 15:58.06 | Nik05 | and i just tried with --without-recommends but they still get installed, so they are not recommend |
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| 16:02.54 | bea_ | a live cd just froze (completely) while using gparted, ntfs partition resize was complete, freeze occured during creation of ext2 partition. how much trouble am i in, regarding the ntfs partition? |
| 16:02.59 | kakila | babile, always, I just need to wait |
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| 16:03.26 | bea_ | also, sorry for asking this here, it's not debian specific, but i always use debian, so... |
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| 16:04.28 | lupine | if it'd finished writing to the ntfs partition, probably not much |
| 16:04.33 | kakila | babilen, I cannot associate the freeze to any particular action. I can leave the X alone, no programs running, just like after a log in and it may eventually freeze |
| 16:04.36 | lupine | worst-case, the partition table has been eaten |
| 16:05.20 | lupine | (mind you, ntfsresize has always been a bit dodgy so there's no guarantee that it didn't eat your data even if it completed successfully) |
| 16:05.43 | bea_ | lupine: phew, seems i got away, chchdsk is running, but that was to be expected :-) |
| 16:05.59 | bea_ | s/chchdsk/chkdsk/ |
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| 16:07.11 | KNUBBIG | Hey, does anybody have a good tutorial on installing a VPN server? Thanks |
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| 16:08.35 | babilen | kakila: Did you search the BTS for similar reports already? |
| 16:08.56 | kakila | babilen, oh! I did not the ssh trick. I will do it in the next freeze. BTS? |
| 16:09.08 | kakila | moving into X |
| 16:09.09 | shadok | KNUBBIG: if you want to use openvpn their site has some good how to here: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html (and it's very easy to setup, one hour of setup the first time I tried to build a server with client cert and a self signed CA) |
| 16:09.24 | KNUBBIG | shadok: Thank you |
| 16:09.36 | shadok | KNUBBIG: np :) |
| 16:09.37 | KNUBBIG | shadok: Is there a good alternative to openvpn? |
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| 16:09.48 | KNUBBIG | (just curious) |
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| 16:10.18 | dcherniv | KNUBBIG, ipsec but its a lot more involved |
| 16:10.29 | jhutchins_wk | cyrrus |
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| 16:10.41 | KNUBBIG | dcherniv: okay, thank you I'll stick to openvpn then |
| 16:11.01 | shadok | KNUBBIG: not that I know of, you could set up IPSEC with strongswan but i don't need that |
| 16:11.12 | KNUBBIG | shadok: thanks again :) |
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| 16:13.46 | coldiso | anyone out there using wicd-client for wireless? i can use the nm-applet in gnome to get connected but with the same information in wicd-client i can't connect "failed-auth" though that isn't right reason. i noticed in logs that when in gnome nm-applet (or something) reloads the firmware "Fatal interrupt. scheduling firmware restart" |
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| 16:14.41 | coldiso | i prefer fluxbox as a WM so the nm-applet isn't really want i wanted to use - i have fresh install of 6.0.6 |
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| 16:15.01 | coldiso | anyone else seen a similar behavior? |
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| 16:15.51 | sney | coldiso: you removed network-manager before trying to use wicd, right? |
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| 16:16.33 | coldiso | sney: i started the wicd daemon ... i didn't turn down any network-manager |
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| 16:16.51 | sney | they don't like to run at the same time. disable or remove n-m before using wicd |
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| 16:21.11 | coldiso | sney: thanks i am disabling n-m and trying that. |
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| 16:23.53 | coldiso | sney: thanks! i have been fighting these strange issues for a few days. that did it! |
| 16:24.04 | sney | no problem |
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| 16:39.51 | yepwatermelon | Hello everyone. |
| 16:39.54 | yepwatermelon | With a terminal emulator like Sakura its possible to choose between colour palettes such as Tango, Linux, Xterm, and Rxvt. Is it possible to manually edit the colours in said palettes or make custom ones? I've never tried before. |
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| 16:40.26 | lupine | gnome-terminal certainly lets you |
| 16:40.27 | sney | I've never used sakura but I would imagine so. |
| 16:40.53 | yepwatermelon | You can't edit them via the terminal. I'm just assuming they're stored in a file. |
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| 16:40.56 | sney | if it's not in the menus it's probably stored in /etc |
| 16:40.59 | lupine | (Edit -> Profiles -> click Default -> Edit) |
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| 16:48.07 | danielig | !sakura |
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| 16:48.39 | diverdude | Hello....What tool do you guys recommend to organize harddisks and prepare raid system on my 4x4TB harddisks? |
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| 16:49.17 | babilen | yepwatermelon: Looks hardcoded to me http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dabisu/sakura/sakura/view/head:/src/sakura.c |
| 16:49.35 | babilen | diverdude: mdadm? |
| 16:49.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell diverdude -about mdadm |
| 16:50.13 | diverdude | babilen, but then i have to have a OS running already on the computer dont i? |
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| 16:51.27 | babilen | diverdude: You can configure RAID during the installation of Debian -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition → 6.3.3.4. Configuring Multidisk Devices (Software RAID) |
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| 16:53.56 | diverdude | babilen, i tried that....it takes forever because for some reason debian does not support dma |
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| 16:54.13 | diverdude | babilen, i tried....after having waited for 4 days it had only reached 11% |
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| 16:54.42 | diverdude | babilen, there must be a better tool than that |
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| 16:56.48 | Danic | Hi. I cloned a git repo, compiled the software and installed it using make install. now i updated my local git clone and want to update my software installation. but how? same steps like installation, or different? |
| 16:57.49 | diverdude | Danic, ohhh its a nightmare if you didnt use a packet manager |
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| 16:58.17 | yepwatermelon | packet manager ._. |
| 16:58.20 | yepwatermelon | why |
| 16:58.24 | diverdude | Danic, always use the software checkinstall when deploying code which is not in the repo |
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| 16:58.39 | themill | (or better yet, build a real debian package) |
| 16:58.40 | diverdude | yepwatermelon, because files are being scattered all over the place |
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| 16:59.01 | diverdude | themill, why is that better?? That takes forever to figure out how to do |
| 16:59.02 | Danic | I followed https://github.com/cherokee/webserver/blob/master/doc/basics_installation_git.txt because I have no Idea what I am doing and there is no current package. :) |
| 16:59.21 | diverdude | Danic, then you are f***** :) |
| 16:59.27 | Danic | checkinstall? I will check that out |
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| 16:59.35 | Danic | lol |
| 16:59.52 | diverdude | Danic, yeah, that will create a debian package for you so you can easily uninstall everything again at any point |
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| 17:00.02 | babilen | diverdude: That is *exactly* the right tool to use and it might simply be that your particular hardware is not very well supported by the kernel in squeeze. You could try the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) which comes with a newer kernel |
| 17:00.04 | Danic | ahh |
| 17:00.09 | themill | diverdude: checkinstall doesn't work that well for things that aren't autotools based. |
| 17:00.20 | babilen | !tell Danic -about stow usage |
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| 17:00.49 | diverdude | themill, thats true also....but its definitly worth the shot...and its not easy to build debian packages manually |
| 17:00.53 | yepwatermelon | I assume you meant package manager. |
| 17:01.21 | babilen | Danic: I would recommend to use stow to manage installations to /usr/local -- It makes it much easier to keep things separate. It sounds, however, as if you didn't even install to /usr/local -- Could you tell us exactly what you've done and which software you have installed? |
| 17:01.43 | themill | diverdude: if checkinstall can do it, then dh_make can do it. |
| 17:01.51 | babilen | diverdude: I just use stow and install things into /usr/local/stow/foo-bar-0.1.2/ |
| 17:02.11 | Danic | babilen: I followed https://github.com/cherokee/webserver/blob/master/doc/basics_installation_git.txt - then I followed https://github.com/cherokee/webserver/blob/master/doc/basics_installation_unix.txt |
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| 17:03.24 | babilen | Danic: Did you adjust "--prefix=/usr" to "--prefix=/usr/local" to ensure that you install to /usr/local instead of /usr ? |
| 17:03.28 | Danic | In short. there is a "autogen.sh" script and then I did "./configure --localstatedir=/var --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-wwwroot=/var/www" and then "make" and finally "make install" |
| 17:03.40 | Danic | well - no ^^ |
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| 17:04.56 | babilen | Danic: Also: Are you sure that a more commonly used webserver such as Apache and or NGINX or any of the ones packaged in Debian aren't suitable for your task? |
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| 17:06.20 | Danic | I find apache a pain in the ass compared to cherokee. and I don't even want to go into nginx. The team used to maintain debian packages, but they didnt update them for quite awhile. the packaged version is broken, so I tried to follow the teams advise to get it from git :) |
| 17:06.27 | babilen | Danic: Ok, please uninstall cherokee completely and make sure that you use "--prefix=/usr/local" or (even better) "--prefix=/usr/local/stow/cherokee" (read "/msg dpkg stow usage" to understand this) |
| 17:06.45 | Danic | babilen, i read your message, thanks |
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| 17:07.55 | babilen | Danic: You should *never* install anything by hand into /usr/ -- We have /usr/local for this and you can seriously damage your system but not following this convention. I would also tell the cherokee guys to update their installation instructions as having that online is just irresponsible (I consider that a serious problem) |
| 17:08.01 | themill | you might want to use debsums to check that it hasn't overwritten files that dpkg is looking after. If it has overwritten non-managed files or left crap around on unistall, then you'll never know... |
| 17:08.49 | Danic | okay |
| 17:08.55 | Danic | phew |
| 17:09.10 | Danic | thank god i can save this discussion for later reread :D |
| 17:09.47 | Danic | thanks for your advises! |
| 17:09.49 | babilen | Danic: In short: Make sure to remove the installation again (and follow ^^^^) -- Then install stow and run "mkdir -p /usr/local/stow/" -- You can then run "./autogen --prefix=/usr/local/stow/cherokee [rest of the options]) -- After installation you can "enable" it by running "cd /usr/local/stow ; stow cherokee" (which will set the correct symlinks) |
| 17:11.22 | Danic | wow, okay, thanks for all your help |
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| 17:11.39 | Danic | I will do as you say ;) |
| 17:12.02 | Danic | especially "I would also tell the cherokee guys to update their installation instructions as having that online is just irresponsible" |
| 17:12.03 | babilen | Danic: If, at any point in the future, you want to remove cherokee you can simply run "stow -D cherokee" and remove /usr/local/stow/cherokee ... (for example) -- That way your manual installation will *never* interfere with the package manager or other system software *and* the manual installations are separated from each other in subdirectories in /usr/local/stow) |
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| 17:16.23 | diverdude | is it possible to just not do any raid, and create one large 16TB partition instead? |
| 17:16.43 | nvz | lvm |
| 17:17.16 | nvz | diverdude: set the disks up as lvm PVs and form a VG |
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| 17:17.53 | nvz | diverdude: cool part about that is, you'll have 16TB that'll all be ruined on a single disk failure.. cool huh? |
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| 17:20.41 | diverdude | nvz, yeah but i guess i can just reformat the disks that dont have failure? |
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| 17:21.23 | KNUBBIG | When I try to create keys and certificates via the tools brought with openvpn, I get the error that my certificate won't be certified. Any idea why? Do I have to do anything before attempting to create the certs? |
| 17:21.51 | nvz | diverdude: sure.. its just the idea that I could have that much data that should otherwise still be viable if it wasnt all one big partition and just separate disks |
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| 17:22.39 | diverdude | nvz, so you are saying whats the point in having one large partition basically? |
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| 17:23.53 | nvz | diverdude: pretty much.. if i were to make an LVM across 3 2TB drives and only had 3TB of data on them.. if it were separate one disk wouldnt even have any data on it, I lose that, I lose no data.. here I lose an empty drive and I lost it all |
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| 17:24.26 | nvz | diverdude: gotta ask yourself is putting stuff in different directories that big a deal to ya.. most people do it anyway |
| 17:24.34 | diverdude | nvz, thats true.. |
| 17:25.06 | nvz | diverdude: raid, lvm, and such are just layers of obfustication between you and your data and one more thing in your way when shit hits the fan and you want that data |
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| 17:26.38 | invariant | How do I obtain the path of the program to which sensible-browser has been configured? |
| 17:26.57 | dcherniv | nvz, diverdude thats one way to look at it. raid is not a backup strategy |
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| 17:27.30 | nvz | raid is a means of speeding up data throughput and tolerating disk failure |
| 17:27.50 | diverdude | dcherniv, what is it then |
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| 17:30.06 | invariant | How can I change the color of the menu that you get in Thunderbird if you right click and then select a menu entry in the created menu? I think Thunderbird is a GTK3 application. |
| 17:30.10 | dcherniv | diverdude, what nvz said |
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| 17:30.21 | KNUBBIG | When I try to create keys and certificates via the tools brought with openvpn, I get the error that my certificate won't be certified. Any idea why? Do I have to do anything before attempting to create the certs? |
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| 17:37.01 | RigidWig | how do I get chrome to use alsa? |
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| 17:42.28 | pbxbrian | Hi All, |
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| 17:43.12 | pbxbrian | Is it standard practise to fist-upgrade between major releases or am I better to setup new boxes and do migrations from 5 to 6 or 7 ? |
| 17:43.16 | pbxbrian | practice |
| 17:43.35 | pbxbrian | *dist-upgrade* |
| 17:43.41 | pbxbrian | jebus my spelling today. |
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| 17:45.19 | sney | pbxbrian: both approaches are supported. the complexity of the dist-upgrade depends on how messy your setup is. |
| 17:45.20 | themill | pbxbrian: debian works very hard to make dist-upgrading possible. Make sure you read the upgrading chapter of the release notes (and don't skip releases) |
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| 17:46.44 | pbxbrian | sney: themill: thanks - I have done it on desktops without issue. I have some servers that I really want to get from lenny to squeeze. I will try to clone the drives to a virtual machine image and test it that way |
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| 17:52.53 | kalib | Hello guys. I have a debian machine connected on a router that serves dhcp. Everytime this debian machine is rebooted, it gets a different IP. How can I set it to always get the same IP? |
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| 17:53.55 | Armand | kalib, I use the router to assign IPs by MAC address. |
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| 17:54.12 | Armand | Leaving the machine on DHCP. |
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| 17:54.28 | alteregoa | is there a guru available, i want to route a ip over a port not default gateway |
| 17:54.34 | AimHere | Setting the machine to a static IP might also work, though I suppose there's a risk of a clash if you've not configured it properly |
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| 17:54.45 | kalib | Armand, ok.. thanks, I'll do it. |
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| 17:59.34 | Armand | kalib, I find it's the easiest way, as you don't have to do any config on the machine.. just set and forget on the router. ;) |
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| 17:59.57 | kalib | it's done.thanks Armand |
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| 18:00.48 | Armand | Awesome. :) |
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| 18:04.56 | HelenB_ | Whyy is it when I try to connect to an OpenVPN server via proxy I get this? |
| 18:05.01 | HelenB_ | PROXY: PROXY: automatic detection not supported on this OS |
| 18:05.24 | HelenB_ | I am trying to connect to a VPN on a proxy restricted network. :/ |
| 18:06.00 | Armand | Stop trying to hack uni network.. ¬_¬ |
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| 18:07.01 | HelenB_ | Armand: Shush u |
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| 18:07.49 | Armand | Tell me I'm wrong.. go on. :P |
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| 18:08.45 | HelenB_ | Armand: I was connected to a public wifi hotspot. :/ |
| 18:08.52 | HelenB_ | and it's NOT a uni network! |
| 18:08.57 | Armand | lol |
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| 18:13.37 | LtL | kalib: you can send host name in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and your router should give it the same ip |
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| 18:15.15 | kalib | ;] |
| 18:15.24 | HelenB_ | :/ |
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| 18:15.35 | HelenB_ | Whyy is it when I try to connect to an OpenVPN server via proxy I get this? |
| 18:15.38 | HelenB_ | PROXY: PROXY: automatic detection not supported on this OS |
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| 18:16.32 | sney | maybe the openvpn client wants you to specify proxying in its configuration? |
| 18:16.39 | invariant | HelenB_, file a bug to whoever wrote that program. |
| 18:16.42 | HelenB_ | sney: idk the proxy |
| 18:16.51 | HelenB_ | invariant: I'm assuming it's Debian? |
| 18:16.59 | HelenB_ | it clearly says the OS doesn't support it. |
| 18:17.03 | invariant | HelenB_, Debian doesn't write a lot of programs. |
| 18:17.14 | sney | with a transparent proxy you may be out of luck. |
| 18:17.18 | invariant | HelenB_, Debian distributes programs, which is different. |
| 18:17.19 | HelenB_ | Never said Debian does. |
| 18:17.46 | HelenB_ | sney: chromium can auto detect the proxy. |
| 18:17.58 | sney | can it tell you what the proxy address is? |
| 18:18.10 | HelenB_ | no cause I don't have it. :/ |
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| 18:18.51 | Armand | So, basically.. you're trying to violate the security of someone else's network? |
| 18:19.02 | HelenB_ | Armand: Shush |
| 18:19.04 | HelenB_ | my call |
| 18:19.19 | Armand | I'm sure a call to the police will sort it out. ;) |
| 18:19.25 | Armand | trollolololol |
| 18:19.33 | sney | using a vpn to tunnel out of someone else's network is not necessarily a security violation |
| 18:19.41 | danielig | hey, I just noticed that pastebinit is not working for my default, I used it before, this relates to this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673311 |
| 18:19.48 | ksk | maybe a policy violation ;) |
| 18:20.01 | HelenB_ | The network is telling me I'm going to be procecuted Armand |
| 18:20.06 | HelenB_ | I just carry on |
| 18:20.09 | Armand | \o/ |
| 18:20.23 | danielig | who can upload the version 1.3.4 into stable? or fix the version in stable? |
| 18:20.23 | sney | danielig: yeah, on squeeze you just have to do -b http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:20.24 | HelenB_ | I gave em invalid tracking details. |
| 18:20.25 | ksk | without knowing whats up, you might wanna try this fancy dns-tunnel-foo - kinda great |
| 18:20.54 | HelenB_ | I'm not trying to bypass security |
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| 18:20.58 | HelenB_ | even tho I know I am |
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| 18:21.05 | danielig | I know, but I think this should be moved from upstream. |
| 18:21.11 | HelenB_ | but that wasn't my plan |
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| 18:22.00 | sney | ,checkbackport pastebinit |
| 18:22.01 | judd | Backporting package pastebinit in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 18:22.15 | sney | danielig: ^ you can backport it yourself if you want. |
| 18:22.20 | HelenB_ | Armand: The port of the VPN server is already on port 443 |
| 18:22.21 | HelenB_ | lol |
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| 18:28.02 | zykotick9 | danielig: if you are unfamiliar with backporting see "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 18:29.48 | wc-pate | h |
| 18:30.09 | Armand | i |
| 18:30.10 | wc-pate | ehoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 18:30.25 | wc-pate | cao si |
| 18:30.44 | pom_ | When doing Debian packaing, and I want to copy all the files from src/ to var/www/site/, do I have to specify every file, or can I do wildcards or anyting? |
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| 18:31.10 | wc-pate | Armand |
| 18:31.19 | Armand | wc-pate |
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| 18:32.43 | wc-pate | What is the language here |
| 18:32.49 | Armand | English |
| 18:32.53 | wc-pate | only |
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| 18:34.41 | wc-pate | You obviously do not speak |
| 18:34.57 | Armand | I type |
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| 18:36.10 | wc-pate | It is very difficult |
| 18:36.16 | wc-pate | for me |
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| 18:37.26 | wc-pate | always so boring here |
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| 18:37.31 | zlude | Hello! this virtual machine have 1 or 2 CPU cores? http://pastebin.com/ywVX8v12 |
| 18:37.51 | sney | 1 |
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| 18:38.16 | kalib | http://www.freeandopenweb.com |
| 18:38.21 | kalib | cool site from google |
| 18:38.45 | Armand | zlude, if that's the entire output... I'd say it's only 1 core. |
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| 18:40.08 | zlude | Armand, really? but i configured my VmWare esXi to user 2 cpu cores |
| 18:40.17 | zlude | any ideas about not happens? |
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| 18:40.32 | Armand | I have no clue on VMware. |
| 18:40.50 | Catbuntu | hey |
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| 18:41.38 | Armand | zlude, output from 'uname -a' ? |
| 18:41.44 | wc-pate | from where you are |
| 18:42.08 | zlude | Linux integrator 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Sun Sep 23 09:17:35 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:42.38 | zlude | Armand, Linux integrator 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Sun Sep 23 09:17:35 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:42.56 | Armand | Not SMP ? |
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| 18:47.41 | sney | zlude: you used the wrong kernel. you want the 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 18:56.31 | Armand | sney, he might have a dual 486 somewhere. :P |
| 18:56.44 | abrotman | he might, but tha tkernel doesn't support SMP |
| 18:56.46 | naknick | how do I find out if i am running x86 or x64? |
| 18:56.52 | sney | naknick: uname -m |
| 18:57.12 | naknick | it say x86_64 |
| 18:57.24 | greycat | Then you have a 64-bit *kernel*. Not necessarily 64-bit userspace. |
| 18:57.24 | naknick | but vmware say I am on x86 |
| 18:57.34 | greycat | I use "file /bin/ls" to see what the userspace arch is. |
| 18:57.44 | greycat | I think there's some debian-specific dpkg way too. |
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| 18:57.51 | abrotman | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 18:57.51 | dpkg | armeb |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | dpkg: thank you, so helpful |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | de nada, abrotman |
| 18:58.11 | naknick | i386 |
| 18:58.16 | naknick | is that good? |
| 18:58.48 | greycat | It means you have a 32-bit userspace and a 64-bit kernel. Nothing wrong with that, but some stupid scripts will get confused because they will assume the uname -m output covers the userspace as well. |
| 18:59.11 | abrotman | Armand: also, the 486 didn't support SMP |
| 18:59.31 | naknick | but is it more effiecient or less? |
| 18:59.47 | greycat | Sequent sold multi-CPU 80486 boxes... not sure what special hacks they used to make it work. |
| 19:00.05 | Armand | abrotman, I know. :) |
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| 19:00.50 | sney | probably the same basic principle as a bladeserver |
| 19:00.54 | naknick | can i upgrade my userland to 64 bit? |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | That requires a full reinstall. |
| 19:01.33 | naknick | #!@#####^^%$ |
| 19:01.42 | abrotman | or at least debootstrap |
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| 19:02.13 | bluesm | What is the difference between "append" mode an "insert" mode in vi ? |
| 19:02.35 | greycat | insert mode puts new stuff in front of the character (or line) you're sitting on, and append puts new stuff after. |
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| 19:03.09 | naknick | would debootstrap overwrite my current files? does 32 bit files and the 64 bit ahve the same names? |
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| 19:07.37 | abrotman | that's a bad idea |
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| 19:15.48 | jhutchins_wk | naknick: Really, you want to do a fresh install of the 64 system. |
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| 19:16.36 | naknick | jhutchins_wk, is it better? |
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| 19:16.56 | jhutchins_wk | naknick: There are provisions for adding 32b support back to the 64b system. They're not perfect, but that is a far better idea than having the possibility of the original 32b layout lurking behind the 64b install. |
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| 19:18.54 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.24 | greycat | they're basically the same mode, just in different places in the file |
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| 19:23.00 | bluesm | greycat: Mhm ok thanks! :) |
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| 19:25.22 | Orphis | Does anybody know how to preserve some environment variable when accessing a schroot (but not all) ? |
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| 19:30.01 | bluesm | greycat: Do you really use, h j k l to operate ? |
| 19:30.10 | greycat | yes |
| 19:30.17 | bluesm | greycat: This is really faster ? |
| 19:30.28 | greycat | I've been doing this for a long time. I got used to it decades ago. |
| 19:30.37 | bluesm | greycat: I can't believe it :P |
| 19:30.48 | bluesm | greycat: I can't believe that it is faster :P |
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| 19:31.09 | greycat | Your fingers are already sitting on hjkl so you don't have to move them over to the keypad, or arrows, or mouse. |
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| 19:32.09 | bluesm | greycat: actually, on "j k l ; " keys, not "h" so h is little not natural :) |
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| 19:35.34 | bluesm | greycat: But thank you very much :) |
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| 19:43.57 | zlude | sney, i installed it from website: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:46.50 | sney | zlude: during the install, there was a menu to choose which kernel to install, and the choices were between 686 and 486, and you picked the wrong one for your hardware. you can still install the right kernel, with 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686' |
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| 19:48.18 | greycat | if he installed from an amd64 netinstall image, how could he have chosen either a 486 or 686 kernel? |
| 19:48.40 | sney | greycat: at this point I'm trusting his earlier paste more than his memory of which iso he downloaded |
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| 19:52.34 | zlude | sney: Linux integrator 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Sun Sep 23 09:17:35 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:52.38 | zlude | i686 |
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| 19:53.55 | sney | zlude: that's just the build architecture. the one in the version is the one relevant to you |
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| 19:55.12 | zlude | sney, im middle of installation |
| 19:55.13 | zlude | ~ # clear |
| 19:55.13 | zlude | /bin/sh: clear: not found |
| 19:55.13 | zlude | ~ # id |
| 19:55.14 | zlude | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 19:56.09 | sney | o_o |
| 19:56.12 | tuvwx | in this page in the debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid), a user comment is more accurate than the main article. I never edited the debian wiki before. how should this be handled? |
| 19:57.23 | sney | tuvwx: as you can see, it's a big mess. if you can fix the main article so it makes sense and still reads like a wiki, knock yourself out. but someone may revert your edit. |
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| 19:58.09 | Arrowmaster | sataraid in general is just a big mess |
| 19:58.18 | zlude | sney, 486 does not support dual core? |
| 19:58.26 | sney | correct |
| 19:58.33 | mako_reactor | instwow 486 |
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| 19:59.07 | i0x71 | guys, anyone know how i can see which threads are waiting for cpu resource ? |
| 19:59.34 | zlude | sney, but i'm installing the SO for another people login via SSH and continue installation without installation be completed so i have just a ~# echo $SHELL: /bin/network-console |
| 19:59.46 | zlude | sney, /bin/sh: apt-get: not found |
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| 20:00.02 | zlude | sney, so, how to fix it? |
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| 20:00.25 | sney | try installing again |
| 20:00.50 | greycat | Yeah, that sounds like a "walk over to the machine, stick the CD in it, reboot it" to me. |
| 20:01.06 | greycat | I can't even parse what he's saying he's stuck in. |
| 20:01.21 | ompaul | his shell disappeared from teh looks of it |
| 20:01.24 | Arrowmaster | if hes at the console in the installer then he needs to use chroot to be able to use apt-get or aptitude |
| 20:01.39 | tuvwx | sney: where should the old content go? removed? are there any "conventions" for archiving older content? |
| 20:01.58 | zlude | sney, but it is the default kernel |
| 20:01.59 | Arrowmaster | tuvwx: wikis save old versions |
| 20:02.05 | zlude | sney, in net install |
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| 20:02.27 | sney | zlude: if you are currently in the *installer* then it doesn't matter what kernel is running right now. |
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| 20:03.17 | tuvwx | Arrowmaster: yes, but it won't be visible on the page |
| 20:03.53 | greycat | tuvwx: there is an "Info" link at the top of a MoinMoin wiki page that lets you get to older revisions if you want |
| 20:04.35 | greycat | ... dear god, why the fuck did they use https for the debian wiki, if they're just going to use a bogus certificate? |
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| 20:04.50 | i0x71 | guys, anyone know how i can show which threads are waiting to be scheduled for the cpu resource ? |
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| 20:07.11 | zlude | sney, i download i386 from website and i begin installation.. in mid of installation i install ssh from CD and give user/pass to my developer |
| 20:07.17 | zlude | him said that need 2 cpus |
| 20:07.21 | zlude | but its only 1 |
| 20:07.25 | zlude | and |
| 20:07.28 | zlude | default kernel |
| 20:07.31 | zlude | is 486 |
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| 20:07.39 | greycat | ... why?! |
| 20:07.39 | zlude | wtf? i cant understand |
| 20:07.45 | zlude | my developer |
| 20:07.50 | zlude | will complete |
| 20:07.51 | sney | your developer is an idiot, then. the installer kernel is 486. once the actual OS boots, it will have the 686 kernel and support both cores |
| 20:07.53 | zlude | the installation |
| 20:07.54 | sney | !enter |
| 20:07.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:08.03 | greycat | Finish the installation! |
| 20:08.46 | sney | (amazing, a developer being stupid) |
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| 20:10.24 | Armand | Why I don't trust others to install stuff for me... Exhibit A. :P |
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| 20:15.37 | zlude | sney and greycat thanks! fuck my developer! :P |
| 20:15.57 | greycat | wait until the installation's done ;-) |
| 20:16.20 | invariant | :) |
| 20:17.19 | nkuttler | you can't really blame a developer for not knowing all OS installers out there.. |
| 20:17.29 | nkuttler | after all a developer is not a sysadmin |
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| 20:18.16 | greycat | I'm afraid to ask how this "I'll install the first half, then manually install ssh, then you install the second half" arrangement came about. |
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| 20:18.26 | nkuttler | indeed |
| 20:19.19 | nkuttler | as a "developer" myself i hate it when clients buy a new server and expect me to know everything about $randomos.. instead of asking me what to install |
| 20:19.32 | greycat | It would make a lot more sense to install the base system only, with *none* of the tasks, reboot, then install ssh-server and turn it over to him. |
| 20:20.15 | sney | indeed |
| 20:20.36 | streuner_ | true :-) |
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| 20:21.15 | streuner_ | (who want argue vs. greycat, thats insane...) |
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| 20:21.37 | Armand | I'll argue with greycat... but, I get to pick the subject. :P |
| 20:21.50 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 20:25.33 | HelenB_ | Is there anyway to force Debian to auto detect a proxy globally? :/ |
| 20:25.52 | HelenB_ | and will this force OpenVPN to connect via the proxy? |
| 20:26.50 | gnarface | HelenB_: you mean something that doesn't involve manual configuration of each openvpn client? |
| 20:27.03 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Yes. |
| 20:27.13 | HelenB_ | EVERYTHING needs to auto detect proxy. |
| 20:27.31 | ompaul | that is a desktop and browser setting |
| 20:27.38 | HelenB_ | OpenVPN claims Debian doesn't support auto proxy detection yet I can auto detect with chromium. |
| 20:27.39 | ompaul | and then there is o/s |
| 20:27.43 | HelenB_ | ompaul: No it's not. |
| 20:27.57 | HelenB_ | it's a global system setting in my case. |
| 20:28.03 | HelenB_ | some cases it is a browser setting. |
| 20:28.07 | ompaul | you can drive all traffic |
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| 20:28.12 | greycat | I don't understand how OpenVPN and web proxy have anything to do with each other, but maybe that's just my ignorance. |
| 20:28.13 | ompaul | though openvpn |
| 20:28.18 | gnarface | HelenB_: chromium probably has its own implementation. you could probably do something similar with some clever bash wrapper scripting |
| 20:28.19 | HelenB_ | ompaul: No I can't |
| 20:28.26 | HelenB_ | ... |
| 20:28.36 | ompaul | HelenB_: then you can't set up openvpn as you wish |
| 20:28.41 | HelenB_ | gnarface: I don't wan't http_proxy variable it doesn't support auto detect |
| 20:28.45 | HelenB_ | I want auto detect. |
| 20:29.01 | HelenB_ | ompaul: It HAS to be set up as I wish even if it needs to be forced somehow! |
| 20:29.25 | gnarface | HelenB_: well its open source... i'm sure patches would be welcome, but even if not there's nothing stopping you from patching it yourself |
| 20:29.33 | ompaul | iptables |
| 20:29.40 | greycat | you seem to be asking for 2+ completely separate things (OpenVPN configuration, HTTP proxy configuration in browsers A, B, C, ...?) and somehow conflating them |
| 20:29.41 | HelenB_ | There are no patches gnarface. |
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| 20:29.57 | gnarface | HelenB_: i'm suggesting you write one |
| 20:30.09 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Nope I am asking for the WHOLE system to be globally set to auto detect a proxy. |
| 20:30.26 | HelenB_ | Write one? Idk any languages to write one. |
| 20:30.35 | HelenB_ | I am still learning programmy |
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| 20:30.37 | greycat | I'm smelling troll. |
| 20:30.38 | HelenB_ | programming |
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| 20:30.48 | orl | Hi! |
| 20:30.53 | ompaul | HelenB_: the world doesn't work how you want it - now - start again you want traffic that is web and apt-get all to run via some proxy? |
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| 20:31.02 | Armand | hands greycat a fully charged troll-detector. |
| 20:31.11 | orl | I'm trying to fill a bug against wnpp, but it stops on Querying Debian BTS for reports on wnpp (source)... |
| 20:31.13 | HelenB_ | ompaul: I want the whole OS to run through a proxy. |
| 20:31.15 | TriJetScud | greycat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY |
| 20:31.18 | orl | does somebody else experience the problem? |
| 20:31.20 | HelenB_ | It HAS to be auto detected tho. |
| 20:31.23 | ompaul | HelenB_: happy iptables learning :) |
| 20:31.29 | invariant | HelenB_, you mean like Windows does? |
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| 20:31.43 | HelenB_ | Wait, what? IP tables supports this? |
| 20:31.47 | HelenB_ | invariant: Yes. |
| 20:31.48 | invariant | HelenB_, Windows also doesn't do anything automatically, AFAIK. |
| 20:31.51 | HelenB_ | only... |
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| 20:31.53 | HelenB_ | Windows doesn't |
| 20:31.59 | orl | OK, it just is working back (just had to write here, so?) |
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| 20:32.31 | HelenB_ | invariant: Yes like the auto detection setting in IE |
| 20:32.51 | invariant | HelenB_, making it automatically is most likely a bad idea. An operating system wide (but user-dependent) setting would be useful in Debian. |
| 20:32.59 | HelenB_ | only that's for IE only it needs to be global |
| 20:33.04 | invariant | HelenB_, but there are various reasons why that hasn't been done yet. |
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| 20:33.31 | invariant | HelenB_, the only way to make something like that work would require modification of hundreds if not thousands of programs. |
| 20:33.34 | HelenB_ | invariant: Idk the proxy of a network. The instructions were to auto detect it. |
| 20:33.57 | invariant | HelenB_, you mean in your browser? |
| 20:34.02 | invariant | HelenB_, which one? |
| 20:34.03 | greycat | The instructions came from someone who has no idea how Unix works, then. |
| 20:34.08 | HelenB_ | Yes but I want it global. |
| 20:34.18 | greycat | Or... YOU modified these instructions. |
| 20:34.28 | HelenB_ | gnarface: Yes it was Windows instructions for IE but other browsers have the same features. |
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| 20:34.47 | greycat | Yes, it can be done at the browser level. |
| 20:34.57 | HelenB_ | I need it done at the OS level. |
| 20:35.00 | HelenB_ | or if not that |
| 20:35.06 | greycat | Deciding to bump that to "the kernel's TCP/IP stack level" is not possible. |
| 20:35.06 | ompaul | you have to do it at least twice |
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| 20:35.13 | HelenB_ | atleast something to force OpenVPN to auto detect a proxy |
| 20:35.30 | invariant | greycat, it's however true that most people think Windows has a better way to manage proxies. |
| 20:35.33 | HelenB_ | Maybe a wrapper to put OpenVPN client in? |
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| 20:36.00 | HelenB_ | http_proxy variable was useless in my case. |
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| 20:36.05 | ompaul | HelenB_: now put the crack pipe down |
| 20:36.14 | HelenB_ | ompaul: What? |
| 20:36.20 | invariant | HelenB_, proxy configuration is well documented. |
| 20:36.31 | HelenB_ | invariant: But it doesn't work. |
| 20:36.42 | ompaul | you are talking crazy - do you want advice or do you want to keep insisting that the world work your way when it patently doesn't |
| 20:36.44 | invariant | HelenB_, it does work, because I know it does. |
| 20:36.44 | HelenB_ | OpenVPN claims Debian doesn't have auto proxy detection support. |
| 20:36.48 | HelenB_ | PROXY: PROXY: automatic detection not supported on this OS |
| 20:36.53 | HelenB_ | Output from OpenVPN. |
| 20:37.04 | Armand | ompaul, well done... +5 internets for you. ^_^ |
| 20:37.08 | HelenB_ | I googled and googled and googled and found nothing. |
| 20:37.12 | invariant | First you talk about browsers and now you talk about OpenVPN again. |
| 20:37.19 | invariant | There is no consistency in what you say. |
| 20:37.27 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:37.32 | invariant | As such, you talk like a markov chain. |
| 20:37.40 | ompaul | Armand: I'll accept them as long as they are all natted from each other :) |
| 20:37.40 | HelenB_ | Pls I'm sorry. |
| 20:38.03 | Armand | ompaul, Of course.. with gigabit links all round. :) |
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| 20:38.12 | ompaul | Armand: :) |
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| 20:38.18 | invariant | HelenB_, I recommend you just call some IT company to get them to help you. |
| 20:38.23 | tuvwx | how does this look? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 20:38.24 | HelenB_ | I'm just having a hard time finding a solution. |
| 20:38.25 | Dwarf | Hello, does anyone know where I can find the configuration file of libnotify? |
| 20:38.38 | bubull3 | helenB_ so you want debian to do smth that openVPN explicitly says it can't do ? |
| 20:38.52 | HelenB_ | bubull3: Maybe through a wrapper or something. |
| 20:39.03 | ompaul | HelenB_: openvpn is a wrapper |
| 20:39.05 | Dwarf | I'm running crunchbang11 btw, which is wheezy |
| 20:39.09 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:39.13 | Armand | HelenB_, Do you ever get the feeling that network was setup to *PREVENT* you from doing what you want to? |
| 20:39.17 | ompaul | Dwarf: no it's not |
| 20:39.22 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 20:39.22 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 20:39.22 | HelenB_ | ompaul: Okay then OpenVPN within another wrapper |
| 20:39.33 | Dwarf | Crunchbang 11 is debian testing, ompaul |
| 20:39.40 | streuner_ | Dwarf: no |
| 20:39.51 | Dwarf | What is it then? |
| 20:40.02 | ompaul | a downstream distro |
| 20:40.03 | streuner_ | Dwarf: we support Debian and not crunchbang |
| 20:40.11 | Dwarf | It's not crunchbang related |
| 20:40.17 | Dwarf | It's debian related |
| 20:40.19 | ompaul | Dwarf: read what dpkg said we don't care :) |
| 20:40.20 | invariant | Dwarf, let me explain the logic: there is a non-zero chance there is some tiny, tiny, tiny difference between Debian and Crunchbang. |
| 20:40.41 | ompaul | and that is where your question lies |
| 20:40.49 | HelenB_ | I just don't get how Debian doesn't support auto detect proxy. What is involved to make Debian support it. Do packages need to be installed? If so what packages? |
| 20:40.52 | Dwarf | Well then I'd like to know where the config file resides on debian testing |
| 20:41.05 | streuner_ | Dwarf: streuner_> Dwarf: we support Debian and not crunchbang , what do you dont unterstand of that? |
| 20:41.08 | invariant | Dwarf, that's not usually how it works. |
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| 20:41.35 | ompaul | HelenB_: first off - you want to connect to a script server that tells you what settings are |
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| 20:41.51 | HelenB_ | ompaul: What? |
| 20:42.02 | Dwarf | So you're saying that if I never mentioned it was crunchbang that you would've told me the location of the file? |
| 20:42.08 | ompaul | HelenB_: also it might be set up to talk to only talk to specific browsers |
| 20:42.13 | invariant | Dwarf, most likely. |
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| 20:42.21 | ompaul | HelenB_: you need professional help, I can't break that down further |
| 20:42.22 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 20:42.24 | invariant | Dwarf, I also don't like the rules. |
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| 20:42.31 | ompaul | HelenB_: go hire someone. |
| 20:42.47 | Dwarf | Well then, I am also running debian on dualboot, and I have the same question about that |
| 20:42.47 | Armand | I have the number for a good shrink.. |
| 20:42.48 | invariant | Dwarf, but since I actually run Debian Squeeze on some machines, this is not a problem. |
| 20:42.49 | HelenB_ | sighs |
| 20:43.03 | XandriX | i have this system that has a fresh well 3 day old debian 6.0.6 install when i boot it up with all my running services ssh gopher samba telnet and ejabberd after boot it only uses 120 something mb ram after 12 hours it uses 928mb ram and yet from htop even if i add it all up apparently none of the running processes add up to so much ram usage |
| 20:43.12 | roger_rabbit | you can solve you connundrum with a single bash script and two iptables rules |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | !free ram |
| 20:43.18 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:43.21 | HelenB_ | I need to get a job first. |
| 20:43.26 | HelenB_ | thankies for ur help |
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| 20:44.15 | ompaul | HelenB_: read the openvpn web site learn about export http_proxy=http://foo:number for .profile and then there is the silly setting in the browser |
| 20:44.36 | invariant | roger_rabbit, it would be really helpful if you would put that on the Debian wiki. |
| 20:44.40 | XandriX | greycat: oh thx :) |
| 20:44.41 | ompaul | or for /etc/profile would be better - so apt-get can touch it |
| 20:44.45 | Dwarf | !libnotify |
| 20:44.51 | Dwarf | Heh. Was worth a try. |
| 20:44.54 | Armand | lol |
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| 20:45.02 | frikinz | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 20:45.05 | invariant | roger_rabbit, I am fairly sure that this wasn't documented in an easy to use way a few years ago. |
| 20:45.08 | HelenB_ | ompaul: I clearly said earlier that that doesn't fix my problem tho cause it doesn't support auto detection. |
| 20:45.35 | XandriX | greycat: i guess i was used to systems not doing that lol |
| 20:45.35 | greycat | ompaul: apt has its own http proxy setting somewhere under /etc/apt/ because if you just export http_proxy=foo in /etc/profile, then "sudo apt-get ..." fails because sudo strips it out of the environment :( |
| 20:45.51 | Dwarf | Hello guys, I'm running debian wheezy and I'm looking for the config file to tweak some settings, where would I find said file? |
| 20:45.56 | ompaul | greycat: not on me it doesn't :) been doing it for years |
| 20:46.07 | streuner_ | Dwarf: lol |
| 20:46.12 | ompaul | cos I don't use sudo |
| 20:46.31 | ompaul | greycat: I should know better than saying "I know how to" when you write X is wrong |
| 20:46.37 | Dwarf | Come on, it's the exact same file |
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| 20:46.43 | Dwarf | What's the fuzz about |
| 20:46.44 | HelenB_ | Are there any wrapper programs like sockscap which support auto detection of HTTP proxies? |
| 20:46.45 | greycat | Dwarf: you have to say WHICH setting. |
| 20:46.47 | streuner_ | Dwarf: no, really, get support of crunchpang support channel |
| 20:46.53 | HelenB_ | I'm googling and searching the repos right now. |
| 20:47.08 | Dwarf | greycat, the size of the notification, it doesn't fit on my screen |
| 20:47.10 | Dwarf | Strangely |
| 20:47.48 | greycat | Dwarf: I have quite literally NO idea what you are asking. |
| 20:48.04 | Dwarf | How would one change the size of the notifications? |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | FROM WHAT? |
| 20:48.18 | Dwarf | The libnotify notifications |
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| 20:48.32 | greycat | I have no idea. I don't know what libnotify is. |
| 20:48.32 | HelenB_ | hmm proxychains |
| 20:48.33 | Dwarf | E.g. "notify-send" |
| 20:48.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals libnotify |
| 20:48.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libnotify' by value returned no results. |
| 20:48.35 | HelenB_ | installs |
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| 20:49.06 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys libnoitify |
| 20:49.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libnoitify' by key returned no results. |
| 20:49.13 | streuner_ | hm |
| 20:49.20 | greycat | helps if you spell it right |
| 20:49.22 | frikinz | Dwarf: isn't libnotify a way for client to reach the notify daemon, this one doing the display? |
| 20:49.28 | streuner_ | greycat: hm |
| 20:49.33 | Dwarf | I think it is, frikinz |
| 20:49.40 | Dwarf | It's available on sid |
| 20:50.22 | Dwarf | dpkg, listkeys libnotify4 |
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| 20:50.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libnotify4' by key returned no results. |
| 20:50.41 | Dwarf | dpkg, listkeys libnotify-bin |
| 20:50.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libnotify-bin' by key returned no results. |
| 20:50.47 | Dwarf | Eh |
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| 20:50.57 | Dwarf | it does show on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:51.23 | frikinz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.26 | frikinz | knotify4 |
| 20:51.31 | frikinz | kde |
| 20:52.06 | HelenB_ | nite x :3 |
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| 20:52.27 | HelenB_ | I'll just scan for the proxy next time. :/ |
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| 20:53.23 | Dwarf | I don't have that package, frikinz |
| 20:53.51 | Dwarf | Altho I think the size changed due to gsettings-desktop-schemas being updated, so I'm going to sniff around and see what changed |
| 20:54.09 | streuner_ | Dwarf: libnotify4? |
| 20:54.32 | Dwarf | Aye |
| 20:54.47 | mfblackmail69 | hi, i tried to reassemble a raid 5 but no progress is shown in /proc/mdstat. how do i see about the progress? |
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| 20:55.17 | streuner_ | Dwarf: dpkg -L libnotify4 |
| 20:55.46 | streuner_ | Dwarf: config files are usually in Linux in /etc... |
| 20:55.49 | greycat | -l not -L |
| 20:56.21 | greycat | or, don't listen to me because I'm not paying attention :-/ |
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| 20:56.56 | Dwarf | There's only files in /usr/lib and /usr/share |
| 20:57.03 | streuner_ | greycat: he already verify, that he has that package installed... |
| 20:57.20 | Dwarf | No config files as it seems |
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| 20:58.18 | streuner_ | Dwarf: so, reinstall it |
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| 20:59.02 | streuner_ | Dwarf: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 20:59.11 | Dwarf | Ah thanks, was about to ask :x |
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| 20:59.35 | greycat | Does a user have to have "deb-src" lines in sources.list to use "apt-get build-dep"? |
| 20:59.44 | streuner_ | sure |
| 20:59.48 | greycat | :( |
| 21:00.05 | Dwarf | No config files were made, streuner_ |
| 21:00.18 | streuner_ | greycat: no worries :-P |
| 21:00.24 | streuner_ | Dwarf: great |
| 21:01.01 | greycat | streuner_: that's bad in my case, because I'm trying to write a "how to compile this game" document for people who may not have deb-src lines |
| 21:01.36 | streuner_ | greycat: good luck :-P |
| 21:02.54 | streuner_ | greycat: i dont know a way to solve that |
| 21:03.13 | Dwarf | Want to see why I'm wondering how to edit the config files? |
| 21:03.23 | Dwarf | http://i.imgur.com/C9YvB.png |
| 21:03.26 | Dwarf | It doesn't fit on my screen |
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| 21:04.06 | streuner_ | greycat: thats impossilbe, IMO |
| 21:04.10 | Trewas | greycat: build dependencies are binary packages, not source, so no deb-src needed for them |
| 21:05.46 | Trewas | greycat: or actually to know which they are you need deb-src lines... :) |
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| 21:07.32 | greycat | Trewas: that's what I'm afraid of |
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| 21:09.22 | pbxbrian | mfblackmail69: You should see progress when you reassemble an array in /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:10.19 | streuner_ | greycat: i would just ask in #debian-devel (OFTC) |
| 21:11.13 | sney | -dev packages may be sufficient depending on what it is |
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| 21:12.17 | greycat | I'm writing two separate sets of instructions. The first is "sudo apt-get build-dep libsdl1.2debian; sudo apt-get install subversion mercurial autoconf automake libtool" and the second is a crapload of sudo apt-get install foo-dev commands |
| 21:12.19 | streuner_ | greycat: who else other than DD's should know about possibilites about deb-src... |
| 21:12.34 | greycat | That oughtta cover most of it. |
| 21:13.03 | sney | greycat: really, the solution is to build a vm or a chroot with no deb-src lines, and see if your instructions work |
| 21:13.15 | mfblackmail69 | pbxbrian: /proc/mdstat says the raid is active but i can't mount it |
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| 21:16.10 | solidus-river | how do i list the contents of a deb and where they will be installed? |
| 21:16.29 | streuner_ | solidus-river: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 21:17.06 | sney | and if you don't have the package yet, apt-file list |
| 21:17.13 | streuner_ | greycat: thats what i have learned of YOU :-P |
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| 21:17.19 | solidus-river | oooo |
| 21:17.24 | solidus-river | apt-file list? |
| 21:17.32 | solidus-river | is there a command i can run before i turn the package into a .deb |
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| 21:17.37 | solidus-river | to preview whats going to be included in the deb? |
| 21:18.00 | solidus-river | i'm trying to use python packaging to package data files and package_data and its getting left out of my debian |
| 21:18.58 | streuner_ | greycat: just give an answer no matter what the question is |
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| 21:19.21 | Justin | solidus-river: your debian what? |
| 21:19.41 | solidus-river | Justin: my debian package .deb |
| 21:20.19 | Justin | solidus-river: does the package build properly if you just do a python setup.py sdist ? |
| 21:20.24 | Justin | and or bdist ? |
| 21:20.28 | solidus-river | yes |
| 21:20.44 | Justin | the sdist/bdist include the package data? |
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| 21:22.27 | solidus-river | Justin: wait, let me double check that, does debian use sdist or bdist for its pacakging? |
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| 21:23.20 | Justin | solidus-river: probably bdist |
| 21:23.41 | wouter86 | hi, I would like to install the newest version of banshee, but when I run "apt-get install banshee" it installs version 1.6.1 (2010) I'm running debian squeeze, anyone has an idea how to get the newest version with the package manager? |
| 21:24.02 | streuner_ | judd, versions banshee |
| 21:24.03 | judd | Package: banshee on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.0-1; squeeze: 1.6.1-1.1; sid: 2.4.1-3+b1; wheezy: 2.4.1-3+b1; experimental: 2.6.0-4 |
| 21:24.51 | streuner_ | wouter86: well, look at the output of judd.. |
| 21:25.22 | streuner_ | wouter86: alternative just /msg dpkg sid backport |
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| 21:25.32 | wouter86 | judd: so 1.6.1 is the newest version for squeeze? |
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| 21:25.41 | streuner_ | sure |
| 21:25.58 | streuner_ | wouter86: judd is a bot |
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| 21:26.39 | wouter86 | streuner_: OK :) so I either have to switch to lenny or download the tarball of banshee manually? |
| 21:27.03 | streuner_ | wouter86: no, just /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:27.26 | FernandoBasso | I have "gateway 192.168.1.1" in the interfaces file, but /sbin/route -n shows "destination 192.168.1.0" and "Gateway 0.0.0.0". |
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| 21:27.50 | solidus-river | yeah bdist is funcitonal |
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| 21:28.29 | greycat | FernandoBasso: is that the only line? Or is there a 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 line under it? |
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| 21:28.59 | FernandoBasso | greycat: the only line. |
| 21:29.19 | wouter86 | streuner_: but is /msg a shell command? I don't understand |
| 21:29.31 | FernandoBasso | I'm setting it on virtualbox, and I am using an static configuration. |
| 21:29.36 | greycat | FernandoBasso: then it's not processing your gateway line. Make sure you have it properly indented, under the correct interface, and that the interface is NOT doing DHCP |
| 21:29.39 | streuner_ | wouter86: in IRC, in here, |
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| 21:29.52 | streuner_ | !+tell wouter86 -about ssb |
| 21:29.54 | dpkg | told wouter86 about ssb. |
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| 21:31.01 | FernandoBasso | greycat: The only "strange" thing is a comment after the line. All the others have nothing following them. |
| 21:31.15 | greycat | FernandoBasso: can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
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| 21:32.24 | greycat | essentially, you should have "iface eth0 inet static" and " address foo" and " gateway bar" and " netmask stuff" all in a row, with no comments in between them |
| 21:32.36 | FernandoBasso | greycat: https://gist.github.com/3483423 |
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| 21:33.00 | n-iCe | how do I remove the annoying startup warning about keyring don't know what |
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| 21:33.21 | greycat | FernandoBasso: maybe it doesn't allow same-line comments. I've never tried that. |
| 21:33.21 | nodiscc | Hi, I have this new laptop, and the touchpad is not working. Not listed by xinput, and no 'mouse*' entry in /sys/class/input/. What should I do? |
| 21:33.55 | FernandoBasso | sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart complains. What is the correct command (I haven't used debian in a while). |
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| 21:34.25 | LtL | FernandoBasso: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 21:34.44 | greycat | FernandoBasso: I normally use "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0" |
| 21:35.06 | frikinz | service networking restart :) |
| 21:35.14 | greycat | sounds redhattish |
| 21:35.43 | frikinz | yeah, I always use /e/i/n restart |
| 21:36.35 | FernandoBasso | Every command you guys told me says "<command> is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces." :| |
| 21:37.02 | nodiscc | No touchpad in /proc/bus/inpus/devices either |
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| 21:38.01 | frikinz | FernandoBasso: it doesn't restart interfaces which are not declared as auto. these interfaces would only be up if you had brought them up manually |
| 21:38.20 | frikinz | not sure if that makes sense :) |
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| 21:38.29 | frikinz | in other words: ignore it |
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| 21:39.36 | FernandoBasso | I can ping the router, but anything on the wan says "network unreachable". |
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| 21:39.56 | FernandoBasso | I'm using bridged adapter on the guest debian. |
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| 21:40.45 | nodiscc | Should I file a bug against linux-image ? |
| 21:41.05 | streuner_ | nodiscc: in every case :-) |
| 21:41.47 | streuner_ | nodiscc: no, only if you know what you talking about... |
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| 21:43.11 | blackshirt | hello. someone here experienced with linux container setup and troubleshooting ? |
| 21:44.25 | Improv_ | Does Debian ship with MATE (or is it reasonably easy to install)? |
| 21:44.50 | streuner_ | Improv_: oh, we had a disussion about that |
| 21:45.34 | Improv_ | streuner: I'm sure I missed it; I'm distro-shopping right now and Debian's high on my list of potential destinations. |
| 21:46.02 | streuner_ | Improv_: just check out debian-devel |
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| 21:46.14 | Improv_ | streuner: Thanks, will do. |
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| 21:46.58 | Improv_ | Err.. do you mean "testing" or "unstable"? |
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| 21:47.23 | FernandoBasso | H'm. I manually added a gw, and now it works. |
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| 21:48.30 | Improv_ | streuner: I don't see any reference to an installable "Debian Devel", but I do see references to "Testing" and "Unstable" |
| 21:48.45 | greycat | FernandoBasso: you're quite sure "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" didn't work? |
| 21:49.09 | nodiscc | streuner_: I'm pretty sure this is a kernel bug, have tried about everything I know of but the touchpad is still not detected. Not showing up in xinput, /sys/class/input/devices/, nothing about it in dmesg. |
| 21:49.31 | Improv_ | streuner: Apologies if I'm missing context; I've been on fedora for the last 8 years or so, and I don't know the terms the Debian community uses for these things. |
| 21:49.41 | FernandoBasso | It said "interface eth0 is not configured". |
| 21:50.03 | FernandoBasso | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces <-- I'm removing two lines from my config. Let's see. |
| 21:50.04 | greycat | Then it doesn't like your interfaces file. Did you try removing that comment from the gateway line? |
| 21:51.18 | FernandoBasso | I have removed the comment, the broadcast, and the network line, according to the example on the link. Still no default gw. |
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| 21:53.10 | FernandoBasso | Again, sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 and ping -c 2 <some ip on the wan> works. |
| 21:53.40 | greycat | well, the question is why it's rejecting/ignoring your interfaces file. |
| 21:53.49 | greycat | does it have carriage returns in it? |
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| 21:54.21 | streuner_ | nodiscc, if you have issues about touchpad, its usally an X issue... |
| 21:54.24 | FernandoBasso | Yes, according to :set list in vim. Carriage returns at the end, and tabs inf front of the lines. |
| 21:54.38 | greycat | Get rid of those carriage returns! They are evil. |
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| 21:55.26 | streuner_ | nodiscc, a bug in X or its not supported in X at all, IME |
| 21:55.36 | FernandoBasso | :%s/\n//g <-- I'll end up with a single line then. |
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| 21:55.49 | greycat | FernandoBasso: Carriage returns are \r or ^M. |
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| 21:56.05 | greycat | E.g. if you edited the file under Windows |
| 21:56.09 | FernandoBasso | No, I only have new line characters then. |
| 21:56.22 | greycat | then I'm running out of ideas |
| 21:56.23 | FernandoBasso | Not, I edited them directly inside debian. |
| 21:56.44 | FernandoBasso | :| I've run out of ideas myself already. :D |
| 21:56.56 | nodiscc | streuner_: that's what I thought first. But all xorg-input-* drivers are installed and I have tested many tricks with xorg.conf. Still no mouse in xinput list output. Most weird, there is no mouse* device ins /sys/class/input/devices/ and that is in no way related to X. |
| 21:57.06 | blackshirt | hello. someone here experienced with linux container setup and troubleshooting ? |
| 21:57.31 | greycat | !anyone |
| 21:57.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:57.38 | blackshirt | i have successfully setup debian under linux container, but i cant console to it with lxc-console ? |
| 21:57.48 | nodiscc | streuner_: I usually deal with touchpad problems in X. But no mouse device file there is very unusual |
| 21:57.54 | streuner_ | nodiscc: whats about a LIVE-CD, does it work then? |
| 21:58.12 | blackshirt | greycat: can you help me ? |
| 21:58.22 | greycat | no |
| 21:58.37 | streuner_ | nodiscc: how about grml/knoppix? |
| 21:58.48 | nodiscc | streuner_: that's the point. I have tested it with debian live and it doesnt work either. Downloading other distros live cds at the moment so i can test. |
| 21:58.55 | nodiscc | streuner_: knoppix is downloading |
| 21:59.11 | greycat | 16:59 <- notice[alis] Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching '*lxc*' |
| 21:59.12 | greycat | 16:59 <- notice[alis] #lxcontainers |
| 21:59.30 | streuner_ | nodiscc: sure, if knoppix doenst work, you usually out of luck, IMO |
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| 22:01.33 | nodiscc | streuner_: if this turns out to be true and the damn touchpad is actually not detected by the kernel, what should I do? |
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| 22:02.21 | streuner_ | nodiscc: well, if knoppix works it should be possible to run in Debian |
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| 22:03.05 | blackshirt | okey,thanks |
| 22:03.08 | streuner_ | nodiscc: if the touchbad doenst work, you usuallly out of luck |
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| 22:08.30 | streuner_ | nodiscc: (its not supported then) |
| 22:08.46 | nodiscc | streuner_: Then, I should report it somewhere. Best bet would be to report it aginst linux-image i guess |
| 22:09.04 | streuner_ | wrong |
| 22:09.21 | streuner_ | its an X issue :-) |
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| 22:13.32 | streuner_ | nodiscc: we told you about, touchbad issues are usually X issues... |
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| 22:14.22 | streuner_ | nodiscc: s/touchbad/touchpad/ |
| 22:15.44 | streuner_ | nodiscc: so, if you want file a bug against linux-image(s), you should know excatly what you doing... |
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| 22:17.57 | nodiscc | streuner_: I'll make **sure** this is kernel related, if that's what you mean. Don't want to clutter the BTS. |
| 22:18.26 | nodiscc | streuner_: Don't really know what files I should attach for my bug report to be useful, though. |
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| 22:19.43 | norbert_ | hi, I'm using Debian stable and I want my ffmpeg to have H.264 support; I'm now checking out the Ubuntu guide and tried apt-getting stuff, but I apt tells me that packages "libfaac-dev", "libgpac-dev" and "libmp3lame-dev" are unavailable |
| 22:19.49 | norbert_ | I think I do need libmp3lame-dev? |
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| 22:20.04 | norbert_ | "apt-cache search mp3lame" gives me no results though |
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| 22:21.54 | norbert_ | also, it would be nice if Debian would allow me to continue when not all packages I want to apt-get are available |
| 22:22.25 | norbert_ | that instead of saying "Unable to locate package xyz" and then giving me a # prompt, I would like it to say "... continue anyways, with the rest?" |
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| 22:22.51 | norbert_ | now I have to go through the list on the prompt and remove the 3 entries that aren't available by hand |
| 22:23.03 | norbert_ | plus Debian should just support H.264 |
| 22:23.05 | norbert_ | but anyways... |
| 22:23.08 | nodiscc | norbert_: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
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| 22:24.27 | gnarface | has h.264 support... |
| 22:24.39 | norbert_ | # apt-cache search 264 |
| 22:24.40 | norbert_ | gives me no hits |
| 22:24.43 | sakax | too |
| 22:24.50 | norbert_ | (well, nothing useful at least) |
| 22:25.06 | norbert_ | you both probably don't use Debian stable |
| 22:25.08 | sakax | did you read norbert's link |
| 22:25.14 | sakax | yes i do |
| 22:25.32 | norbert_ | I read nodiscc's link, yes, it explains what a codec is |
| 22:25.47 | norbert_ | then it says most stuff is already available under Debian, but for me it isn't |
| 22:25.58 | norbert_ | then it has a section about testing/unstable, which doesn't apply to me |
| 22:26.11 | norbert_ | then a warning and some stuff about deb-multimedia.org |
| 22:26.18 | sakax | what do you want to do? |
| 22:26.21 | norbert_ | which apparently is "(risky)" |
| 22:26.23 | cardiel | which mta uses least memory? |
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| 22:26.29 | sakax | just decode? |
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| 22:26.49 | norbert_ | sakax: I would like to have an ffmpeg that supports h.264 |
| 22:27.00 | sakax | then you only need to install amedia player like vlc |
| 22:27.16 | norbert_ | ? |
| 22:27.43 | norbert_ | I have vlc installed and it didn't automatically give me h.264 support for my ffmpeg |
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| 22:27.52 | norbert_ | I don't think it works like that |
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| 22:28.34 | gnarface | ,v libx264 |
| 22:28.36 | judd | No package named 'libx264' was found in i386. |
| 22:28.38 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 22:29.10 | gnarface | amd64 only ?? |
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| 22:29.35 | norbert_ | norbert@ren:~/x264$ ./configure --enable-static |
| 22:29.35 | norbert_ | Found yasm 0.8.0.2194 |
| 22:29.35 | norbert_ | Minimum version is yasm-1.0.0 |
| 22:29.35 | norbert_ | If you really want to compile without asm, configure with --disable-asm. |
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| 22:30.01 | os-app92 | Sorry, looking for an IRC channel about Java on Mac OS, any idea ? |
| 22:30.16 | blackness | norbert_, use a pastebin please |
| 22:30.21 | streuner_ | heh |
| 22:30.29 | streuner_ | os-app92: not here |
| 22:30.39 | norbert_ | blackness: I think I managed to paste the 4 lines I wanted to before getting kicked? :) |
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| 22:30.51 | streuner_ | os-app92: usually JAVA and OSX working... |
| 22:31.05 | blackness | I suggest you use a pastebin next time..you may be banned or gagged if you do it too much :) |
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| 22:31.23 | blackness | just a suggestion is all. |
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| 22:32.32 | norbert_ | so Debian stable has a too old yasm to work with the git version of x264 |
| 22:32.39 | norbert_ | and when I update that, probably the next things needs to be updated, until I have Debian testing running :P |
| 22:32.49 | norbert_ | I know how that goes, I've done it before |
| 22:34.57 | solidus-river | guys |
| 22:34.58 | solidus-river | i have a problem |
| 22:35.06 | solidus-river | my setup.py makes the appropriate bdist file |
| 22:35.32 | solidus-river | but my .deb does not contain ANY package files specified in my setup.py when i make it with python setup.py --command-packages=stdeb.command debianize |
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| 22:36.50 | solidus-river | who here would know about this? |
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| 22:39.20 | norbert_ | is there a bot here that can tell me how to add the debian-multimedia key? |
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| 22:39.39 | gnarface | !dmm |
| 22:39.40 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 22:40.10 | gnarface | norbert_: /msg the bot directly |
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| 22:42.46 | gnarface | norbert_: personally i'd recommend you do it in a chroot so as you dont' hose your boot install |
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| 22:43.23 | solidus-river | is there a way to get debian to use bdist not sdist? |
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| 22:45.02 | norbert_ | gnarface: too late for that ;) but thanks for the suggestion/advice |
| 22:45.51 | norbert_ | I'm actually pretty far ahead, except that libavutil is now 50.43.0 and I need a later version to get PIX_FMT_RGB support which is required for swscale |
| 22:46.11 | norbert_ | so I can't use the debian-multimedia version of that lib either; will check the web for a tar.gz |
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| 23:01.06 | solidus-river | fyi if anyone runs into that |
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| 23:01.36 | solidus-river | the python debianizer tools use sdist not bdist so you need to ad a MANIFEST.in to make srue your files get packages with sdist |
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| 23:13.27 | Miesco | Hi I want run a minecraft server but dont have java. How do I get sun java? |
| 23:14.03 | gnarface | !java |
| 23:14.03 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:14.04 | Miesco | Is it in the reposoitory? |
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| 23:14.38 | Miesco | ty |
| 23:16.05 | Miesco | !install java |
| 23:16.05 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 23:16.28 | Miesco | Can I use openjdk with minecraft? |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | ask them? |
| 23:17.06 | solidus-river | Miesco: no |
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| 23:17.39 | Miesco | Is sun jre going to be in wheezy? |
| 23:17.46 | Miesco | Did Oracle fuck it up? |
| 23:17.47 | solidus-river | Miesco: i ran into this problem a while ago, if you dont want to use sun-jdk best bet is to package it in the same dir as the .jar |
| 23:17.58 | solidus-river | Miesco: there are comman line opts you can pass to use it when you launch |
| 23:18.10 | solidus-river | Oracle is by nature a ____ up |
| 23:18.12 | solidus-river | :) |
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| 23:18.30 | solidus-river | at least lately |
| 23:18.58 | Miesco | soldicon: But did they fuck up java being in the future repositories?> |
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| 23:22.01 | abrotman | Miesco: have you read the zillions of blog posts and the wiki ? |
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| 23:29.42 | Mikicacarica | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fcasroma.blogspot.com/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
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| 23:44.10 | Miesco | abrotman: Yea "No longer available in wheezy" but stuff leaves Wheezy always to come back later like Wine |
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| 23:45.03 | abrotman | and why was it removed? |
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| 23:45.28 | blink | help on sudden hangups: M4A88TMLE (Asus) board +amd64-squeeze xfce-desktop- frequent hangups at low system load, memtest86+ Normal. |
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| 23:46.01 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 23:46.10 | abrotman | hangup meanning what? |
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| 23:46.18 | holycow | i have two exactly the same amd64 debian testing configurations, installed on the same day |
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| 23:47.03 | holycow | dpkg --set-selections < textfile insists that the packages intalled on one machine don't exist on the other (or at least dpkg cannot reference them even though they use the same repos) |
| 23:47.04 | dpkg | holycow: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 23:47.14 | holycow | oh heh |
| 23:47.15 | holycow | :) |
| 23:47.35 | holycow | would anyone have any tips on why this might be? i'm not googling much on how this makes any sense |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | holycow: set or get ? |
| 23:47.54 | blink | screen freezes. keyboard dead. Usually when PC left idle. |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | holycow: did you compare the outputs of dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 23:48.00 | abrotman | blink: ssh in? |
| 23:48.09 | holycow | hmmmm good point let me see both machines i guess |
| 23:48.47 | blink | abrotman: please elaborate ssh. |
| 23:49.04 | abrotman | can you ssh in from another box when the machine 'hangs up' ? |
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| 23:50.20 | Mikicacarica | TOTAL SPORT ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://x.co/qCxH <<<<<<<<<<<< |
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| 23:50.40 | blink | I do not have access to other machine. But probably not syncing at hangup. |
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| 23:51.51 | blink | All applicaions running at the time lose data (even background jobs). |
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| 23:52.27 | abrotman | not even going to play that game |
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| 23:56.36 | blink | abrotman:hangups unpredictable. frequency variable from once in 4-5 days to every few hours. |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | blink: bad hardware? |
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