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| 00:01.12 | blink | Hardware one year old. |
| 00:01.24 | abrotman | doesn't mean it can't be bad |
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| 00:02.23 | blink | What are possible comnponents to check? |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | see if your BIOS has a diagnostic test for starters |
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| 00:03.55 | blink | AMI Bios. |
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| 00:04.22 | abrotman | and? |
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| 00:04.56 | abrotman | try a memtest also |
| 00:05.11 | blink | Do not recall of any tests so far |
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| 00:05.25 | blink | memest86+ returns normal |
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| 00:06.27 | blackness | blink, when this happens, have you checked if / is in READONLY? |
| 00:06.41 | blackness | hard drive failure can cause a hang up. |
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| 00:07.50 | blink | Keyboard is dead then. Needs power-off |
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| 00:09.49 | blink | This was more frequent with xscreensavers earlier. Disabling xscreensaver has cut down the frequency. |
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| 00:13.10 | blink | PC usually idle for hours brfore hangup time |
| 00:14.00 | blink | Also occasional sudden reboots. |
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| 00:16.13 | holycow | abrotman: i was able to use aptitude to export a list of packages and then aptitude to install from the list |
| 00:16.33 | holycow | very odd though. thanks for the tip, would not have found aptitude option without the prompt |
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| 00:17.21 | woshty | what size is a minimal wheezy install? |
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| 00:17.45 | scientes | woshty, ~200MB |
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| 00:17.53 | woshty | scientes: thx |
| 00:18.02 | scientes | well actually more like 130MB |
| 00:18.16 | scientes | and if you purge alot of stuff you can get that down to about 75MB or so |
| 00:18.24 | scientes | (without the apt package list) |
| 00:19.36 | woshty | scientes: as long as it stays well below 500 i am fine :) |
| 00:20.32 | holycow | woshty: crazy thing these days. libreoffice alone is huge 100+ megs. i'm trying to slim things down as well and just get rid of things i dont use |
| 00:20.44 | holycow | how are you going to use your minimal install? webserver? |
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| 00:31.35 | pbxbrian | Hi guys |
| 00:31.48 | pbxbrian | is it possible to run the disk utility that you get while setting up debian |
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| 00:31.56 | pbxbrian | in a running debian system? |
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| 00:32.55 | gnarface | pbxbrian: maybe, but i forget. its probably inferior to running gparted, honestly |
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| 00:33.08 | pbxbrian | I don't have any debian systems with a gui |
| 00:33.17 | pbxbrian | they are all command line only so gparted is not an option |
| 00:33.25 | gnarface | oh. well parted is though |
| 00:33.39 | gnarface | as are fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk.... |
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| 00:34.26 | pbxbrian | yup, I was just in the middle of setting up a stack of debian servers and thought it would be handy to be able to use the disk partitioner from setup in a running system |
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| 00:35.55 | blink | Id there a package for module-init-tools? |
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| 00:36.56 | petn-randall | blink: Uhm, yes? What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:44.42 | blink | live-build for a standarf priority + newer kernel-package. |
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| 00:45.20 | rizzle | blink: are you using live-build 2.x ? |
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| 00:45.49 | rizzle | i recommend switching to live-build 3.x and apt pinning the package |
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| 00:46.13 | rizzle | probably lb 2.x has a method as well though |
| 00:46.55 | blink | initrd.img generated lacks module support. |
| 00:47.05 | rizzle | yeah here it is http://live.debian.net/manual-2.x/html/live-manual.en.html#436 |
| 00:47.28 | blink | rizzle:3.0~a67-1 |
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| 00:47.45 | rizzle | ah cool. so you are on the newer version. nice |
| 00:47.51 | rizzle | hold on let me bring up that manual |
| 00:48.26 | rizzle | http://live.debian.net/manual-3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#464 |
| 00:48.52 | rizzle | this one explains apt pinning preseeds a lot better in my opinion than the previous manual version |
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| 00:49.37 | rizzle | that should help get the package you need (with a bit of experimentation) |
| 00:50.07 | rizzle | start with something easy. like apt-pinning a non essential program (my advice) |
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| 00:51.19 | blink | Thank you rizzle. |
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| 00:52.59 | rizzle | np |
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| 01:28.11 | coolball | has anyone installed inn 1.4 or similar in this lifetime? |
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| 01:49.03 | naknick | is there a way to convert my system userland to 64bit |
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| 01:51.43 | alusion_ | How can I get more information about a process ID |
| 01:51.53 | phogg | naknick: there are always ways, it just depends on how easy you want it to be |
| 01:52.02 | phogg | alusion_: information such as what? |
| 01:52.16 | sney | naknick: you would have been done already if you had just reinstalled like someone told you a few hours ago |
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| 01:53.48 | phogg | if you really want to you can change your whole distro without so much as a reboot through the careful application of chroot and a small shell game |
| 01:54.03 | naknick | sney, i didn't understand how |
| 01:54.06 | phogg | but that's not to say everyone is going to be able to do it safely |
| 01:54.15 | naknick | phogg, I want to keep all my setting and packages |
| 01:54.27 | sney | !aptitude clone |
| 01:54.28 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 01:54.51 | phogg | naknick: install equivalents and then copy the config (mostly /etc) and your home dirs. |
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| 01:59.45 | naknick | wouldn't cloning preserve the 32 bitness of the packages? |
| 02:00.19 | sney | no, it just gives aptitude a list of package names to install |
| 02:01.22 | naknick | aha |
| 02:01.53 | naknick | and how do I tell it to install the 64bit version this time? |
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| 02:03.12 | sney | naknick: it will automatically if you install 64 bit Debian. |
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| 02:05.17 | naknick | phogg, what is equivalents ( no such package) |
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| 02:05.45 | naknick | sney, I already have a 32bit userland debian |
| 02:05.54 | naknick | sney, and I have no install cd |
| 02:06.03 | sney | do you have a usb drive? |
| 02:06.07 | naknick | no |
| 02:06.17 | sney | how did you install before? |
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| 02:06.29 | naknick | debootstrap from knoppix live cd |
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| 02:07.07 | sney | well, you could do that again |
| 02:07.32 | naknick | right |
| 02:08.47 | sney | just make sure you go for amd64 instead of i686 and you'll be fine |
| 02:08.59 | naknick | how is that done? |
| 02:09.33 | naknick | btw, can wine run 32bit windows apps with 64bit userland? |
| 02:10.43 | naknick | can I debootstrap without running from livecd? |
| 02:11.49 | sney | a) read the debootstrap manual, b) yes, there are ways to run 32-bit wine in squeeze and wheezy, c) no, you shouldn't debootstrap onto the same system you're running |
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| 02:16.03 | naknick | is it possible to have on the same HD both 32 and 64 userlands? |
| 02:16.56 | sney | if you run wheezy you can use multiarch |
| 02:17.26 | sney | that allows 32 and 64-bit stuff to run, though it's still mainly a 64-bit system |
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| 02:18.50 | naknick | so if I will upgrade to wheezy my userland will become 64bit? |
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| 02:19.45 | sney | no |
| 02:19.48 | sney | you still need to reinstall |
| 02:20.03 | sney | you can't upgrade a 32-bit OS to 64-bit without reinstalling. limitations of the technology. |
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| 02:25.53 | naknick | sney, if I debootstrap, it won't delete my home right? |
| 02:26.22 | sney | read the debootstrap manual. but afaik debootstrap doesn't touch /home |
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| 02:35.12 | naknick | how do I change the servername? |
| 02:35.24 | naknick | I changed /etc/host, but this seems to not affect |
| 02:36.07 | vt0r | Change the following: |
| 02:36.28 | vt0r | /etc/hosts , /etc/hostname |
| 02:36.43 | vt0r | Then change it manually: hostname blah |
| 02:37.27 | vt0r | Usually /etc/hosts should look like blah.example.com blah and then 'hostname' and 'hostname -f' will print the correct results |
| 02:37.47 | naknick | I changed but when I open a new terminal it still is me@oldhostname |
| 02:38.14 | vt0r | That's probably not actually a new login shell. Using xterm or similar? |
| 02:38.37 | naknick | gnome-terminal from the menu |
| 02:39.12 | vt0r | If so, you're not really logging in every time. Logout of your X session entirely, then login again -or- just type 'login' on that window and login like normal. Should show the new hostname then |
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| 02:40.13 | naknick | vt0r, it still show the old hostname |
| 02:40.19 | vt0r | Pretty sure gnome-terminal also has the login shell option in the configuration too |
| 02:40.20 | naknick | even after login |
| 02:40.30 | vt0r | Sorry that means you probably did it wrong then |
| 02:40.49 | vt0r | Make the change in all three places I listed above and it will be properly changed |
| 02:41.21 | vt0r | If you already wrote /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, you could always just reboot, but that's completely unnecessary if you follow the above advice |
| 02:41.37 | naknick | vt0r, you told me only two places, no? |
| 02:41.45 | vt0r | Nope. |
| 02:41.54 | vt0r | Then change it manually: hostname blah |
| 02:41.54 | naknick | hostnam |
| 02:42.01 | naknick | ah |
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| 02:42.53 | naknick | now it shows the new one thanks::) |
| 02:42.59 | vt0r | No problem |
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| 02:43.42 | naknick | now i have to reboot into knoppix and debootstrap a 64 bit system $@#!!^^#%@@ |
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| 02:52.49 | Infiltrator | If you call a shutdown -t x, and then you forget when you set it for, how can you check? |
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| 02:54.28 | LtL | Infiltrator: might be in history |
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| 02:56.07 | Infiltrator | LtL: But that wouldn't tell you when it _will_ shutdown, right? Is there any way to query shutdown and ask it when it plans to shutdown? |
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| 02:56.42 | LtL | Infiltrator: no it wouldnt, i don't know. |
| 02:56.45 | vt0r | Infiltrator: You can cancel it or check the history. Should have received a wall message when the command was run though |
| 02:57.13 | Infiltrator | So say an hour ago I did 'shutdown -r -f +120m' and now I've forgotten when I set it to go off, does anybody know how to check when it will go off? |
| 02:58.01 | Infiltrator | vt0r: What if you've closed that terminal? Or you weren't logged into the machine and somebody else ran the shutdown? I'm just trying to find out if shutdown can tell you when it plans to do so. |
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| 03:01.43 | vt0r | The process should still be running |
| 03:01.55 | muhoo | what magic do i have to do to force bash to realize i've just added myself to a group? |
| 03:02.08 | vt0r | Infiltrator: run a 'ps' and grep for shutdown. Find the start time and then you're set |
| 03:02.10 | sney | muhoo: iirc 'newgroups' |
| 03:03.04 | vt0r | muhoo: newgrp should do it |
| 03:03.29 | muhoo | nope, didn't work |
| 03:03.45 | sney | if all else fails, log out and log back in |
| 03:03.48 | muhoo | i did "sudo usermod -a -G dialout me", then newgrp. |
| 03:03.53 | muhoo | that didn't work either |
| 03:03.57 | vt0r | Read the man page for newgrp (man newgrp) and try again. |
| 03:04.05 | vt0r | But yes as sney said, you can logout/login |
| 03:04.06 | muhoo | i read it. it doesn't even appear do do what i want |
| 03:04.16 | muhoo | out of x? or just create a new xterm? |
| 03:04.22 | sney | log all the way out |
| 03:04.28 | muhoo | wtf? really? |
| 03:04.28 | sney | yes, out of X or your DE |
| 03:04.38 | muhoo | *sigh*, thanks. |
| 03:04.43 | sney | you can use 'groups username' to make sure usermod worked |
| 03:04.56 | muhoo | groups shows that it did |
| 03:05.08 | muhoo | but in my shells "id" shows it didn't |
| 03:06.01 | sney | I think you can spawn a new login shell just by running 'login' but it won't work globally until you log alla way out |
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| 03:12.49 | naknick | So i tried to debootstrap 64 bit from knoppix live cd, but then it chroot, and failed to run bash, |
| 03:13.01 | naknick | i then rebooted into the new system |
| 03:13.20 | naknick | and it failed to run apt-get and aptitude because of bad libraries |
| 03:14.24 | naknick | # chroot /media/sda2 chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 03:14.52 | Arrowmaster | is the livecd 64bit? |
| 03:15.25 | naknick | probably not |
| 03:15.46 | naknick | arch 686 |
| 03:15.59 | Arrowmaster | then you wouldnt be able to run anything in the chroot from the livecd |
| 03:16.04 | un214 | yeah |
| 03:16.15 | un214 | I'm surprised debootstrap didn't error half way through |
| 03:16.36 | naknick | it errored once it tried to chroot |
| 03:16.48 | Arrowmaster | im not, your ment to be able to use debootstrap to setup media for other archs |
| 03:16.52 | naknick | so how do I get out of this mess? |
| 03:16.59 | un214 | exactly. get a 64 bit kernel or debootstrap i386 then get a 64 bit kernel and re-debootstrap |
| 03:17.09 | Arrowmaster | use a 64bit livecd |
| 03:17.22 | Arrowmaster | i recommend grml |
| 03:17.27 | naknick | i don't have that |
| 03:17.28 | un214 | last time I checked, a 64 bit kernel worked just fine with 32 bit userland |
| 03:17.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does |
| 03:18.13 | un214 | there was a day when I'd have recommended that but not anymore except in an emergency |
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| 03:18.23 | naknick | I had 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland and everyone here told me to upgrade my userland |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | we did? no, you asked how |
| 03:18.36 | iio7 | I have a small machine for home usage only and I don't need the logging function. Will removing rsyslog cause any problems? I mean some programs might depend on it and act strange if missing? |
| 03:19.17 | un214 | is rsyslog really that big? |
| 03:19.26 | naknick | abrotman: well, that is the impression I got. |
| 03:19.31 | un214 | what I used to do back in the day was /var/log -> /tmp |
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| 03:19.51 | abrotman | of course you would |
| 03:20.05 | abrotman | naknick: why do you want 64bit anything? do you have an actual need for it ? |
| 03:20.08 | iio7 | I know about -> tmp or tmpfs etc, but I want to disable it completely in this case. |
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| 03:20.28 | Arrowmaster | man installing debian to an 8gb flash drive takes forever |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | iio7: why not just set the logs to only have one revision |
| 03:20.36 | iio7 | Running with a sd card and I don't need logging at all. |
| 03:21.04 | naknick | abrotman: I tried to install vmware, and they compile modules or something like that, and it didn't install because of that, and so i went to vbox, and they wrote that such configuration is not supported either |
| 03:21.15 | abrotman | disable all logrotation, symlink to dev/null |
| 03:21.20 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt attempt to remove it myself, but for running on an sdcard you could make /var/log a tmpfs |
| 03:21.47 | iio7 | abrotman, thanks! |
| 03:21.58 | un214 | I could fake out the pacakge manager so it doesn't care but if anybody actually tries to use it, kaboom |
| 03:22.04 | Arrowmaster | i hope this flash drive doesnt run out of room |
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| 03:22.18 | naknick | why does debootstrap need to run anything anyway. Can t it just slap on the files for 64bit and be done with it? |
| 03:22.40 | abrotman | that won't work ? |
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| 03:22.46 | un214 | naknick: no. It needs to execute dpkg to unpack, and it's gotta get that dpkg from somewhere |
| 03:23.52 | naknick | and it got to have 64 bit dpkg to unpack 64 bit arch files? |
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| 03:24.43 | naknick | are 64bit .deb unreadable to 32bit machines? |
| 03:24.46 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt sound right, i thought you could use debootstrap to setup an embedded arch system from a different arch |
| 03:24.49 | un214 | naknick: you'd have an awful headache finding a way around it |
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| 03:25.13 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: you can |
| 03:25.23 | un214 | I have a script that would work that I can get from my archives, but you'd have to heavily modify it first |
| 03:25.40 | un214 | you'd have an easier time getting debian's install cd |
| 03:25.43 | vt0r | naknick: What's so hard about running a different live CD? You can also just install using netinstall disks if you're worried about downloading/burning the new ISO |
| 03:25.46 | naknick | un214: well I am in luck then, because I have an awful headache anyway (health related) so I won't notice it |
| 03:26.02 | vt0r | s/disks/disk/ |
| 03:26.12 | un214 | naknick: your source cd would have to have gcc or i'd not work |
| 03:27.28 | naknick | how about installing a kvm into this knoppix, getting a live cd iso, running the iso in the kvm, mounting the hd and installing? |
| 03:27.29 | un214 | vt0r: I'd guess he can't burn a cd from a live cd |
| 03:27.33 | naknick | whould that work? |
| 03:27.54 | un214 | I'm pretty sure you can't run a 64 kvm from a 32 knoppix |
| 03:28.21 | naknick | lets ask #kvm |
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| 03:28.29 | vt0r | Doesn't knoppix have an option to load all data into RAM? |
| 03:28.33 | un214 | naknick: your fastest solution if you can't burn is to debootstrap a 32, download & install a 64 kernel then re-debootstrap a 64 |
| 03:28.54 | Arrowmaster | you might be able to but i think running a 64bit guest on a 32bit host requires a new intel processor |
| 03:28.56 | un214 | if you confirm the ar command works, I can pull my archive |
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| 03:29.49 | un214 | you'll need a 32 bit lilo as well |
| 03:30.02 | vt0r | If knoppix still has that boot option to load the whole disk into RAM (and you have enough free), you could just boot it back up with the RAM option and then eject the disk. Then you can download whatever disk you need and burn it |
| 03:30.30 | vt0r | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Knowing_Knoppix/Advanced_startup_options#Transferring_to_RAM |
| 03:30.38 | vt0r | the boot option is "toram" |
| 03:31.11 | vt0r | Only requires 828 MB total RAM |
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| 03:33.18 | un214 | naknick? |
| 03:33.37 | naknick | what? |
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| 03:34.16 | naknick | sorry, tried to install kvm, but having problem with cache-limit |
| 03:34.28 | un214 | ah |
| 03:34.33 | un214 | didn't think that would work |
| 03:34.40 | un214 | do you have a working ar & lilo? |
| 03:34.52 | un214 | gonna try toram? |
| 03:35.23 | naknick | I can't install anything something in apt.conf is not right |
| 03:35.33 | vt0r | naknick: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Knowing_Knoppix/Advanced_startup_options#Transferring_to_RAM |
| 03:35.40 | naknick | but there is no apt.conf |
| 03:35.43 | un214 | aren't you in knoppix? |
| 03:35.48 | naknick | where apt conf should be? |
| 03:35.53 | naknick | yes in knoppix |
| 03:36.11 | vt0r | Reboot knoppix and use the 'toram' option at boot. Download the right ISO and burn it. Boot into the proper install ISO and install it the normal way |
| 03:36.14 | un214 | is there an ar & lilo on the cd already? just try running them with -h |
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| 03:36.34 | un214 | vt0r: his cache limit error message suggests not enough RAM |
| 03:36.53 | vt0r | naknick: type 'free -m' (no quotes) at a terminal |
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| 03:37.31 | vt0r | What does the total RAM amount say? |
| 03:37.44 | naknick | Mem: 3293 464 2828 0 6 330 |
| 03:38.00 | vt0r | Please use the instructions I gave earlier with the 'toram' boot option |
| 03:38.21 | vt0r | You can remove the disk after it's done loading all the data to memory |
| 03:38.23 | naknick | -/+ buffers/cache: 127 3165 |
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| 03:38.39 | naknick | I will need to reboot for that |
| 03:38.46 | vt0r | That's fine. I'll live :) |
| 03:39.39 | un214 | that's ok my script might not work anyway |
| 03:40.09 | vt0r | I'd be interested in looking at it if you still have it around, un214 |
| 03:40.25 | un214 | I'm waiting for my archive machine to finish booting |
| 03:40.30 | vt0r | Too lazy to write one from scratch :) |
| 03:40.49 | un214 | (it's probably in fsck right now) |
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| 03:42.43 | un214 | yup that's where it is |
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| 03:45.44 | un214 | vt0r: I found it it exists |
| 03:46.12 | vt0r | Nice |
| 03:46.51 | un214 | ever heard of dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 03:46.56 | naknick | would netinstall delete my home? |
| 03:47.28 | dvs | naknick: depends how you partitioned the system |
| 03:47.52 | naknick | the system and home are together |
| 03:48.03 | dvs | Then it will delete your home |
| 03:48.09 | naknick | aha |
| 03:48.14 | naknick | so... |
| 03:48.34 | naknick | I need a minimal 64 bit livecd |
| 03:49.18 | naknick | is there some rescue cd image? |
| 03:49.47 | un214 | they recommend netinstall cd |
| 03:49.55 | un214 | it's available in 64 bit |
| 03:50.10 | un214 | netinstall can be used as rescue |
| 03:50.23 | Arrowmaster | and it can be put on a flash drive |
| 03:50.38 | damacus | ive always found the debian livecd to be wanting for a rescue disk |
| 03:50.42 | damacus | works in a pinch |
| 03:50.43 | Arrowmaster | i still have a 256mb flash drive i use to put the netinstall on |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | !enter |
| 03:50.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:50.46 | damacus | but there are better out there |
| 03:51.03 | Arrowmaster | i prefer grml as a rescue |
| 03:51.45 | un214 | vt0r: no kernel stuff. the user stuff looks like a debootstrap equivalent: http://pastebin.com/vBwVsA57 |
| 03:52.13 | un214 | by splitting half way through it would run on the wrong arch as the first half is only host and the second half is only guest |
| 03:53.39 | DrX7277X | What is the Xzibit rootkit in debian ? |
| 03:54.23 | un214 | google says a fake warning |
| 03:54.43 | dvs | rkhunter warning? |
| 03:54.48 | DrX7277X | yes |
| 03:54.54 | DrX7277X | wtf |
| 03:54.55 | dvs | fake |
| 03:55.03 | dvs | There's a bug for that. |
| 03:55.21 | DrX7277X | fix soon ? |
| 03:55.29 | un214 | what's teh bug report? |
| 03:56.26 | un214 | vt0r: looks like I'm missing the piece that actually walked the dependency tree |
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| 04:08.53 | naknick | i seem to be managing to run kvm with the netinstall |
| 04:09.13 | naknick | but I chose rescue mode, and it downloads a shitload of stuff |
| 04:09.24 | Zer000 | good people - i'm on debian squeeze. It has python 2.6 and I need list and dictionary comprehensions... |
| 04:09.25 | naknick | is there a way to just get the cli |
| 04:09.48 | wols | ,versions python2.7 |
| 04:09.49 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-2.1; sid: 2.7.3-5 |
| 04:10.41 | wols | Zer000: no real way to get it except installing it in /usr/local/stow/python2.7 or such. Due to the various python additions, replacing python2.6 in squeeze is not a suitable option |
| 04:10.53 | wols | Zer000: of you upgrade to frozen testing |
| 04:11.17 | Zer000 | woops, i solved the problem. Turns out python 2.6 has this, just slightly different syntax. it was a four character edit to solve :D |
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| 04:11.26 | heyuxiang | hello, i know this is off topic, but how can i compile sources to binary that can be run in iphone? btw, source is written in go language |
| 04:11.29 | heyuxiang | can i compile the sources directly in iphone if tools are ready? iphone is jailbreak already |
| 04:11.55 | wols | wrong channel heyuxiang. and you need the apple sdk which has no support for Go at all |
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| 04:15.57 | heyuxiang | wols: thanks a lot. |
| 04:19.48 | wols | heyuxiang: /msg alis list ios |
| 04:20.30 | naknick | i am trying to mount the hd from rescue, and it say invalid argument |
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| 04:21.20 | naknick | mount /dev/disk/by-label/mylabel /bla |
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| 04:21.50 | naknick | mount: mounting /dev/disk....on /bla failed: Invalid argument |
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| 04:32.13 | holycow | !java |
| 04:32.14 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:39.10 | Arrowmaster | naknick: you need to specify the filesystem type |
| 04:40.03 | naknick | like -t ext3? |
| 04:40.06 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:40.13 | naknick | (that didn't help) |
| 04:40.42 | Arrowmaster | are you sure its ext3? |
| 04:41.02 | naknick | yes |
| 04:42.07 | somiaj | naknick: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label -- does the link point to the correct partition? |
| 04:42.17 | barfod | naknick: debian-pastebin the failing command along with the output of fidsk -l |
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| 04:42.52 | naknick | somiaj: yes this shows the right partition |
| 04:42.53 | barfod | "fdisk -l" *sorry |
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| 04:44.07 | barfod | and ofc its /mnt not /bla |
| 04:44.52 | naknick | barfod: its abit dificult to paste because it is in a VM, but fdisk -l say that /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 04:45.55 | barfod | try mount -t ext3 /dev/sdaX /mnt |
| 04:46.21 | barfod | where "X" is the partition number. you can see them listed in ls /dev |
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| 04:47.52 | barfod | or if there are no partitions on it, just "/dev/sda" |
| 04:48.35 | barfod | but it sounds to me like you should be fixing this disk from a graphical enviornment judging from your knowledge of the "mount" command |
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| 04:53.36 | naknick | barfod: i've done mount a zilion times before |
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| 04:53.52 | naknick | barfod: its just that it is in a vm and the devices are messed up |
| 04:54.07 | barfod | ah, understood. i hate that |
| 04:54.19 | barfod | my VM expereinces are usually a fail |
| 04:54.49 | naknick | I am trying to use the netinstall as a rescue disk |
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| 04:55.00 | naknick | but it failed to load my partition |
| 04:55.14 | naknick | probably because I set the disk to /dev/sda2 and not to /dev/sda |
| 04:55.16 | barfod | hmm, i would use debian-live |
| 04:55.38 | naknick | I went for the smaller disk |
| 04:55.45 | naknick | probably a mistake |
| 04:55.54 | barfod | and if you have to you can boot it with special boot parameters. thats all recuse mode is anyway |
| 04:56.14 | barfod | there is a netinstall size debian-live naknick |
| 04:56.30 | naknick | really? where? |
| 04:56.33 | barfod | in fact debian netinstall is just a debian-live disk that is made specially with an installer |
| 04:58.03 | barfod | well if yuo really cant find a small live image. you can make one here http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build |
| 04:58.24 | barfod | or with live-magic GUI from your squeeze console |
| 04:59.07 | barfod | naknick: but this page has what you want http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 04:59.50 | barfod | dd something like this debian-live-6.0.5-i386-standard.img to a usb |
| 05:00.06 | barfod | boot it with persistence or "toram" my guess is you will never go back |
| 05:00.07 | naknick | they aren't so small |
| 05:00.24 | barfod | well i make one that is 62 MB :P |
| 05:00.37 | barfod | im not sure why these are all over 300 |
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| 05:01.39 | barfod | but 300 is not so bad for the standard iso. its just 1 normal live-build and 1 normal installer build |
| 05:02.06 | barfod | either that or it has a lot of different kernels. anyway make your own |
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| 05:02.31 | barfod | or use the front end http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build . something are best done correctly. |
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| 05:02.49 | blackness | Is there a package i can install, that when i create i LiveCD of the current build, it creates a install.desktop icon? other then remastersys |
| 05:03.03 | barfod | yeah sort of blackness |
| 05:03.10 | blackness | live-magic? |
| 05:03.27 | barfod | its called live-installer-launcher i think |
| 05:03.51 | blackness | i wonder what is neeeded for it to run automaticly. |
| 05:04.03 | barfod | you will have to make your own icon |
| 05:04.18 | barfod | blackness: add an entry to start it with .xinitrc or something |
| 05:04.20 | blackness | my own *.desktop icon? |
| 05:04.41 | blackness | hm, ill google it and see if there is a full guide that i can write a script from. |
| 05:05.25 | barfod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:05.52 | barfod | you will save yourself tons of trouble. there are tons of people there doing the same things as you without remastersys |
| 05:06.35 | naknick | I did the mistake of running that livecd in rescue mode |
| 05:06.55 | naknick | it take it forever to load and it is just the same as the netinstall rescue mode |
| 05:08.17 | barfod | well you learned where to download it anyway :P |
| 05:08.55 | aah | hi. i'm trying to install clementine on debian squeeze, but i'm getting a dependency problem. is there any way to install it? |
| 05:09.12 | naknick | and now I have two of these suckers runing |
| 05:09.21 | naknick | lets see who will win |
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| 05:11.50 | Rusty1 | aah: tried using aptitude install, seee what it suggests? |
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| 05:12.34 | aah | Rusty1: no, but i'll try it now .. the command is "sudo apt-get install clementine" , right? |
| 05:13.45 | Rusty1 | aah: the command would be: sudo aptitude install clementine |
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| 05:15.59 | naknick | now mounting sda2 doesn't work from the host system either |
| 05:16.05 | naknick | like it got corrupt |
| 05:16.08 | naknick | or something |
| 05:16.15 | naknick | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, |
| 05:16.27 | Arrowmaster | whats on sda2? |
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| 05:17.26 | naknick | my home and system |
| 05:17.48 | aah | Rusty1: thanks :) this is the error i'm getting: http://dpaste.com/841497/ |
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| 05:18.43 | Rusty1 | aah: choose n, see what it suggests |
| 05:20.05 | aah | Rusty1: after choosing n: http://dpaste.com/841499/ |
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| 05:21.06 | naknick | crap. something ruined my partition |
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| 05:21.18 | Rusty1 | aah try it, y |
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| 05:23.06 | aah | Rusty1: after entering Y, it gives: http://dpaste.com/841500/ |
| 05:23.25 | aah | is it safe to remove those packages? seems like they are needed for playing audio .. |
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| 05:25.07 | Rusty1 | aah: i think you'll be ok, go for it |
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| 05:28.27 | naknick | now all my HD is in lost+found |
| 05:28.38 | naknick | what should I do what should I do |
| 05:29.38 | aah | thanks Rusty1 , it installed and is playing songs properly :) |
| 05:29.51 | aah | thanks for guiding me through it so patiently :) |
| 05:29.59 | Rusty1 | enjoy aah |
| 05:30.14 | aah | you're awesome. thanks :) |
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| 05:34.54 | aah | ok, i have another question. i'm trying to install a twitter client, called Hotot, in debian squeeze. but it's not present in the repos, and their website mentions a ppa for ubuntu but debian doesn't accept ppa's. how do i install it? |
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| 05:48.06 | CQ | is a raided root a good idea, or save it for the LVM home etc. partitions? |
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| 05:52.39 | somiaj | CQ: I would say it depends on your design for backup, and restore system along with what you want to use the system for. |
| 05:54.36 | CQ | system is a home server. backups run locally with an offsite drive every two months or so. |
| 05:55.13 | CQ | rebuilding the system is doable in under a day easily as it is |
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| 05:56.22 | somiaj | I would just put everything except for maybe /boot on the raid partition. LVM is nice, but I don't see it needed for a home server |
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| 05:57.34 | CQ | I have lvm for home and data partitions, thats it |
| 05:57.48 | somiaj | if you don't see a reason to split things up on multiple partitions it is just an extra layer you have to go though in the case of recovery |
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| 05:59.49 | EasyAsPie_ | hi |
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| 06:30.30 | zari | where go a photo when I sent it from a android device to a debian laptop? |
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| 06:30.44 | zari | by blue tooth |
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| 06:34.22 | Arrowmaster | im guessing the answer is no but is there any kernel package for debian newer than 3.2.0-4 other than the 3.6-trunk in experimental |
| 06:35.22 | ectospasm | Arrowmaster: you're always welcome to install a vanilla kernel, but you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks! |
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| 06:35.48 | Arrowmaster | well it appears 3.2.0-4 is already broken |
| 06:36.17 | Arrowmaster | my wifi no workie |
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| 06:39.49 | naknick | where are the passwords? |
| 06:40.02 | naknick | my /etc/passwd dont seem to have passwords in it |
| 06:40.09 | somiaj | naknick: /etc/shadow |
| 06:40.31 | somiaj | Arrowmaster: why doens't your wifi work? Have you any errors about the device in dmesg, what is the chipset. |
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| 06:40.48 | ectospasm | yeah, unless you have a specific reason (e.g., some sort of NFS setup) you should be using shadow passwords. |
| 06:41.01 | ectospasm | naknick: note, /etc/shadow can only be read by root, and PAM |
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| 06:41.31 | trist4n | i got the most recent stable vanilly kernel working fairly easily |
| 06:41.40 | trist4n | following the `kernels the debian way something something` article. |
| 06:41.41 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: rtl8188ce, the driver is loading but lspci isnt showing the driver being used by the hardware |
| 06:42.00 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: on a livecd with 3.3.0 it works perfectly |
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| 06:46.00 | Arrowmaster | ok got 3.6-trunk over via flash drive and lspci -v shows the hardware actually using the module now |
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| 06:46.19 | Arrowmaster | now to figure out how to setup wifi from the terminal |
| 06:47.13 | ectospasm | Arrowmaster: man iwconfig |
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| 06:48.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah im working on that but dont seem to have a wlan0 |
| 06:48.44 | somiaj | did you install the non-free firmware? |
| 06:48.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive got the realtek package |
| 06:49.12 | somiaj | check dmesg, what does that say? |
| 06:49.28 | somiaj | also ifconfig -a (to see all devices despite if they are configured) |
| 06:49.38 | naknick | FWIW managed to debootstrap 64bit from 32bit knoppix host using qemu |
| 06:50.01 | Arrowmaster | ok i think i need the firmware bin thats not yet package in debian |
| 06:50.14 | naknick | now while trying to install more packages it has problem to authenticate the pavkags |
| 06:50.29 | naknick | but the debian-archive-keyring is upto date |
| 06:50.37 | somiaj | Arrowmaster: you can probabaly just get the firmware from realtek and copy it to /lib/firmware |
| 06:50.40 | naknick | what other keyrings are there? |
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| 06:53.24 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: yeah just grabbed it from the kernel.org git repo |
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| 06:55.31 | aah | ok, i have another question. i'm trying to install a twitter client, called Hotot, in debian squeeze. but it's not present in the repos, and their website mentions a ppa for ubuntu but debian doesn't accept ppa's. how do i install it? |
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| 06:59.16 | paws | is it possible to timestamp 'screen' log? screenlog.0 ? |
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| 07:04.32 | somiaj | aah: unless someone makes a package specifically for debian squeeze (not for ubuntu or any other debian version) you will have to compile it from source |
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| 07:05.46 | aah | somiaj: ah, i see .. i've never compiled a package before .. do you have a link to instructions on how to do so, please? |
| 07:06.15 | sussudio | wouldn't a twitter client be a web browser? |
| 07:07.29 | somiaj | aah: You don't need to compile a package, but can just use the upstreams ./configure, make and make install to put it in /usr/local |
| 07:07.49 | sussudio | aah: why not google? http://all-tech-thoughts.blogspot.nl/2011/01/install-hotot-twitter-client-in-debian.html |
| 07:08.32 | somiaj | bad advice to insatll packages built for ubuntu on squeeze |
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| 07:08.49 | aah | sussudio: did you bother reading that article fully? that person recommends using an ubuntu ppa. |
| 07:09.01 | somiaj | I woudl download the .deb directally as opposed to adding a repo if you can meet the depends in squeeze |
| 07:09.11 | aah | thanks somiaj .. i'll download the sources and try compiling |
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| 07:09.56 | sussudio | aah: blow me. |
| 07:10.15 | sussudio | seriously. i'm just going to minimize this channel for a couple of years again. |
| 07:11.01 | capri | sussudio: hehe ;-) |
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| 07:13.01 | aah | uhh no thanks. i don't wanna be anywhere near that disease infested organ of yours. and try using that rusty old thing called a brain in the future before trying to provide "help" and insinuating that others google first. |
| 07:13.05 | somiaj | aah: note if you meet all the depends for that .deb in squeeze (so you don't have to pull in any core libary) you could install it and see if it works. The problem with mixing is the unpridicatble behavior of mixing core libaries. |
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| 07:13.52 | aah | somiaj: ok. i will try to compile from source then. thx for your help :) |
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| 07:14.44 | blackshirt | why I can start linux container successfully, but it was not accessible from lxc-console ? |
| 07:15.18 | sussudio | aah: i can see why you're using tor. |
| 07:15.26 | sussudio | coward. |
| 07:17.12 | aah | flaunting your ignorance again, i see. i would much rather have a conversation with a rotting piece of cabbage than you. have a good life, sussudio. |
| 07:17.51 | sussudio | trolls be using tor. |
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| 07:36.20 | aah | hotot package exists for wheezy and sid. is it possible to install this one particular package on squeeze? .. |
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| 07:43.09 | zykotick9 | ,checkbackport hotot |
| 07:43.11 | judd | Backporting package hotot in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libqt4-dev (>= 4:4.7), libqtwebkit-dev. |
| 07:43.35 | zykotick9 | aah: i don't think that's a good sign |
| 07:43.40 | dagerik | i am installing debian in vmware and i am unable to get ip address. what do i do? |
| 07:44.08 | aah | hmm :-( |
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| 07:52.57 | sussudio | WormFood: ls -i |
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| 08:03.59 | naknick | hi |
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| 08:04.26 | naknick | i did what dpkg told me about cloning the system |
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| 08:04.39 | naknick | guess what? |
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| 08:05.51 | naknick | now on aptitude install, it errors with too many errors |
| 08:05.56 | sussudio | naknick: it raped your hamster instead? |
| 08:06.33 | naknick | the messeges on screen are dependecy problems |
| 08:07.09 | naknick | it cant figure out the right order to install the packages |
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| 08:07.30 | sussudio | you could always do cp -ax / /newdisk |
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| 08:08.00 | naknick | I dont have the old disk any more |
| 08:08.12 | naknick | just the package list |
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| 08:08.38 | naknick | and a zilion partially installed packages |
| 08:09.10 | naknick | so I cant even tell it, ok install just that one |
| 08:09.39 | naknick | because then it try to install everything again |
| 08:09.40 | sussudio | sounds like you have the wrong sources in your sources.list |
| 08:10.07 | naknick | and again get upset about the dependecies |
| 08:10.10 | sussudio | maybe a typo. |
| 08:10.21 | naknick | ? |
| 08:10.51 | zari | Hi all |
| 08:10.55 | zari | where go a photo when I sent it from a android device to a debian laptop by bluetooth? |
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| 08:11.12 | naknick | does anyone know to fix this?' |
| 08:11.19 | sussudio | naknick: if you can't install the same packages, you're missing some of the sources you used on your old system. |
| 08:12.00 | naknick | that isn't the error message sussudio |
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| 08:12.26 | sussudio | fine, figure it out yourself. |
| 08:12.28 | naknick | and i cped the source list from thw old syatem |
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| 08:13.37 | nimbos | naknick |
| 08:13.43 | nimbos | is it a new isntall? |
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| 08:14.17 | nimbos | I only caught a little bit of what you're talking about, but did you do "apt-get update"? |
| 08:14.29 | naknick | yes |
| 08:14.38 | naknick | dpkg clone |
| 08:14.39 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 08:15.09 | naknick | not that |
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| 08:15.23 | nimbos | ok, that's the extent of my guess. |
| 08:15.26 | nimbos | good luck |
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| 08:15.32 | jelly-home | naknick: did you perchance try to clone onto a different architecture (eg. from i386 to amd64)? |
| 08:16.04 | jelly-home | or to a different debian version |
| 08:16.26 | naknick | jelly-home: yes |
| 08:16.41 | naknick | from 32 to 64 |
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| 08:18.30 | sussudio | ... |
| 08:18.53 | naknick | dpkg aptitude clone |
| 08:18.54 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 08:19.07 | naknick | this is what i did^ |
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| 08:20.30 | naknick | and now aptitude have so many dependency warnings that it gave up |
| 08:20.50 | jelly-home | pastebin the whole output of aptitude, then |
| 08:21.07 | naknick | i dont have a gui |
| 08:21.54 | naknick | is there a place i can send it without gui, |
| 08:21.59 | naknick | ? |
| 08:22.07 | jelly-home | naknick: you could use curl or pastebinit if it were installed |
| 08:22.26 | jelly-home | and /usr/bin/script to capture the output |
| 08:22.27 | naknick | lets see |
| 08:22.50 | sussudio | naknick: did you change your sources.list to match the new arch? |
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| 08:23.49 | jelly-home | sussudio: huh, what would need changing |
| 08:24.00 | naknick | sussudio: no. there is no mentioning of arch in sourcelist |
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| 08:24.19 | naknick | jelly-home: i dont have curl |
| 08:25.27 | naknick | just what debooystrap gave me |
| 08:25.53 | jelly-home | naknick: does the OS you debootstrapped from have it? |
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| 08:27.03 | Alex81 | sry got to far fro the wifi |
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| 08:28.19 | naknick | got disconected |
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| 08:28.33 | sussudio | jelly-home: well, it must be configured somewhere... |
| 08:29.16 | naknick | whats thw last thing i said that got througj? |
| 08:29.42 | naknick | i dont have curl |
| 08:29.56 | sussudio | naknick: does dpkg --print-architecture match your arch? |
| 08:30.28 | naknick | i have nc |
| 08:30.51 | sussudio | do you mean mc |
| 08:31.11 | cwillu_at_work | he means nc, probably |
| 08:31.14 | naknick | netcat |
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| 08:32.08 | naknick | arch d64 |
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| 08:32.18 | naknick | amd64 |
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| 08:33.30 | sussudio | naknick: does package_list have any mention of the previous arch? |
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| 08:36.18 | eSa| | where do I find the aptitude search models? |
| 08:37.33 | homes | i presume you want aptitude search expression syntex? |
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| 08:38.19 | homes | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02.html |
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| 08:48.53 | naknick | jelly-home http://cwillu.com/files/naknick.nc |
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| 08:50.12 | sussudio | naknick: you have to run aptitude from root or use su |
| 08:50.32 | naknick | i ran it from.root |
| 08:50.56 | sussudio | naknick: then something else is using the apt database. |
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| 08:51.42 | sussudio | E: Could not get lock /var/lock/aptitude - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 08:51.56 | sussudio | naknick: either something else is using it or it was left there by mistake |
| 08:52.04 | sussudio | try ps -A | grep apt |
| 08:52.50 | sussudio | it even says so at the end... |
| 08:53.16 | naknick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.18 | sussudio | W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved! |
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| 08:54.01 | naknick | its aptitude |
| 08:54.09 | naknick | teied |
| 08:54.17 | sussudio | teied? |
| 08:54.24 | naknick | tried killing it |
| 08:54.33 | naknick | didnt work |
| 08:54.39 | naknick | need -9 |
| 08:54.43 | sussudio | naknick: it must be running on another console |
| 08:55.17 | naknick | there isnt an otjer console |
| 08:55.32 | sussudio | the PS output will tell you where... |
| 08:55.43 | naknick | linux loaded into.cli |
| 08:55.57 | sussudio | is it giving a tty or "???" |
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| 08:56.09 | sussudio | maybe try the command "fg" |
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| 08:56.32 | naknick | tty1 |
| 08:56.46 | sussudio | so... do alt-f1 |
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| 08:58.43 | naknick | fg got it terminated |
| 08:58.56 | sussudio | ok |
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| 08:59.13 | naknick | but... ran it agin and the output looks the same |
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| 08:59.44 | naknick | http://cwillu.com/files/naknick.nc2 |
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| 09:00.58 | naknick | jelly-home: what do u think? |
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| 09:01.27 | sussudio | chown: invalid group: `root:messagebus' |
| 09:01.33 | sussudio | looks like you'll have to create that group. |
| 09:01.53 | naknick | aha |
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| 09:12.13 | naknick | sussudio: created and it seems to advance further |
| 09:15.15 | sussudio | naknick: just keep fixing whatever the error messages are saying. |
| 09:17.42 | naknick | ok |
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| 09:18.05 | naknick | now there is a locked something |
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| 09:18.24 | naknick | should i reboot? |
| 09:18.40 | sussudio | no |
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| 09:18.54 | naknick | i killed aptitide |
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| 09:19.12 | naknick | and it kept some lock locked |
| 09:19.16 | sussudio | if you killed aptitude and aptitude is not running, you should delete /var/run/aptitude |
| 09:20.02 | sussudio | /var/lock/aptitude even |
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| 09:22.03 | naknick | var ... debconf that is lockwd |
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| 09:22.24 | naknick | deleting apt didmt free t |
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| 09:25.55 | Improv | Hey all, I have a quick question on a hopefully-not-fiery-but-might-be topic |
| 09:26.12 | Improv | Is Debian likely to follow Fedora in that whole /usr merge thing? |
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| 09:27.47 | ecstoian | Morning. I have a problem connecting to an OpenSSH on a Debian server. I provide the username and password for connection in Putty or in the commandline OpenSSH client, and it connects successfully to the server, but I when I try to type something in the terminal, nothing appears on the screen. Any idea what could be wrong ? |
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| 09:32.50 | naknick | sussudio: i rebooted... and now grub dont work :-( |
| 09:33.18 | naknick | i have this grub> promt |
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| 09:33.58 | ChrisH | ecstoian: does the command "clear" changes anything? |
| 09:34.19 | sussudio | naknick: i told you not to reboot. |
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| 09:36.31 | ecstoian | ChrisH: Nope, nothing happens. |
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| 09:39.46 | naknick | sussudio: u were right. but i ws stuck |
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| 09:47.17 | victor_ | hi |
| 09:47.47 | victor_ | does anyone know which is the apt repository I can add in order to install g++-4.7 (it's testing) with apt ? |
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| 09:55.03 | ChrisH | ecstoian: Do you have another way to connect which works? Can you do an ssh -v user@system and pastebin the output on paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:57.00 | xeon123 | I was trying to install Skype, but it says that I need to install libqt >= 4:4.8.0, and I've installed 4:4.6.3-4. How do I update the libqt to install skype? |
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| 09:59.09 | engla | xeon123: skype from upstream? |
| 09:59.15 | engla | they only provide a debian wheezy package |
| 10:00.07 | xeon123 | engla: but I've debian squeeze installed. |
| 10:00.31 | engla | I don't know of a solution |
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| 10:03.02 | jelly | naknick: boot a 64bit livecd, mount your system in there, chroot into it and continue fiixng other things |
| 10:03.04 | victor_ | does anyone know which is the apt repository I can add in order to install g++-4.7 (it's testing) with apt ? |
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| 10:03.31 | jelly | victor_: which Debian release are you using? |
| 10:03.44 | victor_ | squeeze |
| 10:03.48 | victor_ | 6.06 |
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| 10:04.14 | jelly | victor_: there is no 4.7 for squeeze, sorry. What do you need it for? |
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| 10:04.30 | victor_ | I need to use C++11 |
| 10:05.00 | jelly | victor_: to what purpose? You could set up a chrooted enviroment with a debian "testing" release |
| 10:05.17 | jelly | or a VM thereof |
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| 10:06.18 | victor_ | jelly: I need to compile parallel code which runs c++11 memory model features |
| 10:06.35 | victor_ | jelly: and run it. does the chroot env make me lack of performances? |
| 10:08.14 | jelly | victor_: it shouldn't make a difference |
| 10:08.29 | victor_ | ok, it is there a guide to make it in a clean waay? |
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| 10:12.22 | jelly | dpkg, tell victor_ about debootstrap |
| 10:12.41 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 10:12.59 | jelly | silly bot |
| 10:13.02 | victor_ | ok |
| 10:13.04 | victor_ | :) |
| 10:13.26 | jelly | victor_: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php?q=debootstrap&term=key |
| 10:13.36 | victor_ | I found it. my concernes are about how preemption works with the jail, I am running realtime |
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| 10:14.29 | jelly | chroot isn't much more than a filesystem namespace hack, in Linux... it's not a jail like BSD can be |
| 10:14.36 | victor_ | I'm just dist-upgrading to wheezy.... :S |
| 10:14.47 | victor_ | ok.. then if something breaks, I'll do that |
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| 10:15.06 | jelly | victor_: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php?q=squeeze-%3Ewheezy&term=key |
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| 10:17.19 | ecstoian | ChrisH: SCP/SFTP works fine. I did a ssh -v user@ip. Here it is: http://pastebin.com/9TRj7Adt |
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| 10:20.48 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 10:20.48 | dpkg | Sorry jelly, you're not online. |
| 10:20.55 | Zeeflo | i know this is not a channel for everything (almost) except debian.. But I would appriciate if someone can troubleshoot flowplayer with me? |
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| 10:24.14 | naknick | I am in |
| 10:24.30 | naknick | seem like the main issue was that groups were not creaded |
| 10:24.35 | naknick | created |
| 10:24.43 | naknick | I had to create them manually |
| 10:25.00 | naknick | now sound don't work |
| 10:25.31 | naknick | I wonder if all these packages were installed right, (I am in gnome now btw) |
| 10:25.38 | naknick | (so somethings do work) |
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| 10:28.06 | naknick | with 32bit sound worked with alsa |
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| 10:29.32 | naknick | could some missing group cause sound not to work? |
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| 10:32.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell naknick -about alsa checklist |
| 10:33.35 | babilen | naknick: You might also want to investigate why your user is not a member of the default groups. What does "id" give you and how did you create the user? |
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| 10:37.35 | tklassen_ | Hallo |
| 10:37.37 | tklassen_ | Ist hier jemand mit dem debian Paketbau vertraut? |
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| 10:37.44 | Zeeflo | engliiiish |
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| 10:38.07 | tklassen_ | Some around here who could help me with buliding a debian package |
| 10:38.12 | sussudio | !de |
| 10:38.12 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:38.23 | tklassen_ | I try to patch a bug in smbclient with one of the samba developers |
| 10:38.34 | babilen | tklassen_: You can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net in English (Frag einfach in #debian-mentors auf irc.oftc.net -- Wenn du kein Englisch kannst, dann versuche es einfach in #debian.de) |
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| 10:38.57 | babilen | tklassen_: You might also want to ask a more specific question ;) |
| 10:39.05 | tklassen_ | yes of coure |
| 10:39.38 | tklassen_ | I need to change a single line in one file named clientgen.c which is in the samba source package |
| 10:39.46 | tklassen_ | that comes with wheezy |
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| 10:40.17 | tklassen_ | And after that I need to ./configure it correctly and build the smbclient binary |
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| 10:41.20 | tklassen_ | To replace it with the original one. I have done it myself butit seems that I have to add a lot of options to the build proccess and Im not very expierenced in this. |
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| 10:42.01 | freddo | granted i am probably being asleep/daft here - but can someone take a 2 second nosey at the following pic: http://picpaste.com/1ac7fc888c2b356a723f853c9d5dae3a.png |
| 10:42.13 | freddo | basically as my normal user account, i deleted a root owned file |
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| 10:42.27 | freddo | i wanted to delete it so thats fine, but i don't understand how i was able to |
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| 10:42.35 | babilen | tklassen_: You have to create a patch for that package and create a new (and local) version. Is this a common modification and would it make sense to file a bug? I still think that #debian-mentors is the best place to ask this question. |
| 10:42.51 | ecstoian | ChrisH: The remote server was not responding on any keyboard command and no screen was displayed, being directly connected on it. The server has been restarted and everything is ok now. |
| 10:43.04 | tklassen_ | I want to test it first |
| 10:43.19 | tklassen_ | I do not have the time now to wait until the freeze is over |
| 10:43.38 | babilen | tklassen_: That being said: You should be able to work on the source package and create a new patch. I am not familiar with samba's packaging, but we can have a look. |
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| 10:43.55 | babilen | tklassen_: A bug is a bug and should be fixed, in particular during a freeze |
| 10:44.24 | tklassen_ | hmh but still takes quite a while. |
| 10:44.27 | babilen | tklassen_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#patches might be of interest |
| 10:44.52 | tklassen_ | It will be fixed from the samba guys after I can confirm that the change helped me with my problem. |
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| 10:45.15 | babilen | tklassen_: I am merely asking if it would make sense to file a bug report about /your/ problem so that other people don't have to do the same. I know that it won't fix it magically in two seconds. |
| 10:45.23 | tklassen_ | I think it would be the best way to fix it in samba and let every distro profit of it. |
| 10:45.41 | tklassen_ | :) |
| 10:45.46 | babilen | tklassen_: Sure |
| 10:46.03 | babilen | tklassen_: We typically strive to get patches accepted upstream |
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| 10:46.40 | tklassen_ | hmh |
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| 10:46.56 | tklassen_ | Im not familiar with creating patches.. |
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| 10:48.30 | babilen | tklassen_: Hence my recommendation to ask in #debian-mentors -- Alternatives comprise: 1. Contact the Samba maintainer's (either via a bug report or on their mailing list) 2. Take a look at the source package yourself and, in particular, read debian/README.{source,build,...} therein |
| 10:49.11 | babilen | tklassen_: I am not familiar with samba's packaging, but it looks as if they use quilt to manage patches |
| 10:50.40 | Kre10s_ | so... I'm trying to download debian. I am at the site, and select my architecture. I get a kind of index... how do i download it ready for a memory stick? |
| 10:51.56 | tklassen_ | I will consider that |
| 10:52.01 | tklassen_ | thanks for your help |
| 10:52.07 | babilen | Kre10s_: What do you mean by "ready for a memory stick" -- Do you want to install it (to hdd) from a USB stick? What kind of hardware are you installing on? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation (and afterwards) and if: How are you connected? |
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| 10:52.51 | babilen | tklassen_: I am also waiting in #debian-mentors .. just join there (on irc.oftc.net) and ask how you can create a single patch for samba easily |
| 10:53.18 | Kre10s_ | babilen, yup. I don't have a cd/dvd drive on the target i want debian on. its a dn2800MT from intel (ia32) |
| 10:53.49 | Kre10s_ | i wanted to get the usb key ready network install. |
| 10:54.44 | babilen | Kre10s_: Let me check the rest of the hardware |
| 10:55.05 | babilen | Kre10s_: Does that board/processor support 64bit or is it 32bit only? |
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| 10:57.26 | babilen | Kre10s_: And why on earth does Intel force me to download a 8.0MB PDF just to see which hardware they *really* use? </rant> |
| 10:58.17 | Kre10s_ | yes. rant indeed. the docs only say "The board has a fanlessly-cooled, soldered-down dual-core Intel Atom processor |
| 10:58.18 | Kre10s_ | N2800 with integrated graphics and integrated memory controller. |
| 10:58.18 | Kre10s_ | " |
| 10:58.25 | Kre10s_ | with regard to the processor. |
| 10:58.40 | babilen | dpkg: 82574l |
| 10:58.40 | dpkg | e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters, part of the Linux kernel. It does not require firmware from userspace. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts are supported since Linux 2.6.31, i217 LOM supported since Linux 3.5. See also <82579>. |
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| 11:00.49 | darsie | Hi! With only 'deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free' 'apt-cache search skype' finds package skype. On my fathers machine with the same line it doesn't. How come? |
| 11:00.51 | naknick | adding myself to audio did the trick for sound |
| 11:01.04 | petn-randall | Is there a way to configure apache to do a graceful restart instead of a 'normal' one on upgrade? |
| 11:01.14 | naknick | but on the 32bit i wasn't a member of audio and I could hear sound |
| 11:01.17 | babilen | Kre10s_: Well, you can use amd64 and it looks as if the hardware is supported by the kernel in Squeeze (Debian stable) -- I would therefore recommend to download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:01.28 | naknick | why is there a difference? |
| 11:01.34 | petn-randall | I can see that the pre-/postinst script calls invoke-rc.d, is there a way to configure it to do a graceful? |
| 11:01.51 | mwargh | any context? |
| 11:01.54 | babilen | Kre10s_: If that doesn't support *all* your hardware (couldn't check all as the PDF doesn't list the PCI IDs) you can use the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
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| 11:02.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kre10s_ about usb install |
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| 11:02.39 | naknick | i think before there was a group of my username |
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| 11:02.43 | petn-randall | darsie: try 'apt-cache policy skype', it will show you where it is installable from. |
| 11:02.51 | naknick | and now there isn't is that the differnce? |
| 11:03.03 | babilen | Kre10s_: Either way: You can "write" the ISOs directly to the stick to create a bootable USB install medium -- See "/msg dpkg hybrid images" and the usb install factoid dpkg just told you about for further details |
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| 11:04.08 | babilen | tklassen_: Do you run into problems while joining #debian-mentors or while connecting to irc.oftc.net ? Can I help in any way? |
| 11:04.23 | tklassen_ | no my phone rang |
| 11:04.29 | tklassen_ | all the time... :) |
| 11:04.36 | babilen | hehe, alright :) |
| 11:04.52 | babilen | (just wanted to make sure you are fine) |
| 11:05.06 | darsie | petn-randall: What do you mean 'where from'? http://paste.debian.net/214491/ |
| 11:05.12 | tklassen_ | Thanks anyway ;), If you like to answer my phone just give me a sign ;) |
| 11:05.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell darsie -about show sources.list |
| 11:05.46 | petn-randall | darsie: You have installed it by downloading the package and installing it with dpkg -i skype.deb |
| 11:06.04 | petn-randall | darsie: You're not getting it from a repository. |
| 11:06.13 | darsie | petn-randall: ok. thx |
| 11:06.14 | babilen | darsie: Could you paste the output of the command dpkg just told you about in addition to that of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy skype" to http://paste.debian.net from the box that knows about skype please? |
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| 11:06.31 | babilen | darsie: Which version of Debian to you use? |
| 11:06.40 | darsie | squeeze |
| 11:06.50 | babilen | darsie: Oh, petn-randall addresses your issue already ... |
| 11:07.10 | tklassen_ | babilen: Thanks for you help, I will be in #debian-mentors in an hour or so, have to go now |
| 11:07.12 | babilen | darsie: http://wiki.debian.org/skype contains installation instructions for both squeeze and wheezy |
| 11:07.19 | babilen | tklassen_: Sure, see you then! |
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| 11:07.33 | petn-randall | darsie: This is how it looks like when there is a repository with that package: http://paste.debian.net/214493/ |
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| 11:08.12 | darsie | ok |
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| 11:12.49 | darsie | babilen: Here's the output you wanted: http://paste.debian.net/214495/ |
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| 11:14.14 | babilen | darsie: Yeah, looks fine. You can install skype by following the instructions on the wiki. There is, essentially, no repository for Debian that includes Skype (and I am not sure if that would even be legal) |
| 11:14.34 | darsie | ok, thx. |
| 11:15.39 | babilen | darsie: Another note: I strongly discourage people from using debian-multimedia and it is regarded as problematic by many people in the Debian project. The reasons for this are manifold, but packages from there cause frequent problems with multimedia related functionality (no sound, wobbly pictures, ...) -- i would reconsider your choice to use it. |
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| 11:17.55 | darsie | ok. My note indicates I used it for acroread. I can probably get that from other sources. |
| 11:18.35 | darsie | I'll try to remember it when I reinstall my system. |
| 11:19.09 | babilen | darsie: Just wanted to mention it -- See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/03/msg00151.html for a related discussion on debian-devel |
| 11:19.18 | babilen | (if you really care) |
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| 11:20.29 | darsie | Well, I do. My system got a few quirks, maybe from mixing stable and squeeze. Now I'm using backports. |
| 11:21.10 | babilen | darsie: "stable and squeeze" ? squeeze *is* stable at the moment :) |
| 11:21.36 | darsie | Ahh, yeah, when squeeze was testing ... :). |
| 11:21.43 | babilen | Ah, right :) |
| 11:22.05 | babilen | darsie: backports is the much saner solution (and if the package is not there, build it yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb") |
| 11:23.19 | darsie | I wanted to do compile gcc-avr, but someone checked here and a bot said there are unresolveable dependency conflicts. |
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| 11:42.15 | mallxs | Hmmm is it just me or where did the web developer go in Iceweasel ? |
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| 11:46.36 | mallxs | ha now is see: not available in 3.5.16 |
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| 11:56.27 | tparcina | I can't setup PHP with Appache on Debian stable. |
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| 11:57.03 | tparcina | I have installed php5, libapache2-mod-php5 and I have executed a2enmod php5. |
| 11:58.28 | tparcina | I have a html page that, when I click on send, should run PHP script. But instead that it runs it, it offers to download it. : |
| 11:58.51 | tparcina | How to troubleshoot this? |
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| 11:59.35 | luigi69_ | Good morning. |
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| 12:03.38 | FernandoBasso | Are there any negative consequences in have the hostname and one of the users of the system with the same name? |
| 12:04.08 | FernandoBasso | s/have/having/ |
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| 12:07.01 | jelly | FernandoBasso: nope |
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| 12:08.02 | FernandoBasso | OK. Thanks. |
| 12:08.08 | luigi69_ | When i run a program in terminal (php to be more specific) it uses `/usr/local/bin/php`. Can I somehow change this to use a diffrent binary, located somewhere else withot root priviliges? |
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| 12:08.42 | luigi69_ | Like override this for current user. |
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| 12:09.18 | ksk | !tell luigi69_ about $PATH |
| 12:09.27 | ksk | no bot, hum |
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| 12:10.27 | luigi69_ | thx ksk |
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| 12:14.32 | babilen | luigi69_: There are many ways to skin a dog, and you might just want to define a local alias with an absolute path (in your shell) rather than reordering /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin in your $PATH (which will affect more than one thing) |
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| 12:17.17 | luigi69_ | babilen I've edited .environment file. It had a PATH variable before, so I aded specific php version binary directory before the /usr/local/bin/php. Seems to work fine :) |
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| 12:20.25 | babilen | luigi69_: Ack, that is yet another way. (Why do you have two/three PHP installations?) |
| 12:20.56 | babilen | right, PHP ... forget that I've asked |
| 12:21.24 | FernandoBasso | useradd -m yoda -s /bin/bash <-- There will also be a group called yoda? |
| 12:21.51 | ChrisH | FernandoBasso: why should it be? |
| 12:21.54 | babilen | FernandoBasso: No. Don't use useradd, but adduser |
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| 12:21.56 | luigi69_ | babilen: :D I just need one, but this is a VPS managed by the hoster, and they have few versions included in server template. |
| 12:22.07 | FernandoBasso | babilen: Why? |
| 12:22.12 | babilen | luigi69_: hehe, alright |
| 12:22.59 | babilen | FernandoBasso: Because it is the standard utility and gets a couple of things right that you would have to do manually if you use useradd -- Reading "man useradd" and "man adduser" should clarify this. |
| 12:23.10 | FernandoBasso | ChrisH: I though (I read somewhere, long ago) that when a user is created, a group with the same name is also created. But I'm not sure... |
| 12:23.34 | babilen | FernandoBasso: useradd doesn't do that |
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| 12:23.46 | babilen | FernandoBasso: Just read the manpages and you'll see |
| 12:23.54 | FernandoBasso | OK. Thank you guys. |
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| 12:25.13 | ChrisH | babilen: Why do you recommend adduser over useradd? On other systems (UNIX, non Linux) only useradd is avaliable |
| 12:25.20 | ksk | is there a place to bring up ipaddresses besides /etc/network/interfaces? this if-up.d is for services? |
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| 12:25.52 | ksk | ChrisH: the manpage says so: On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead. |
| 12:25.55 | FernandoBasso | I always used useradd with arch linux... but I am by no means an expert. |
| 12:26.19 | ChrisH | ksk,babilen thats a valid reason. :) |
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| 12:26.36 | babilen | ChrisH: "adduser and addgroup add users and groups to the system according to command line options and configuration information in /etc/adduser.conf. They are friendlier front ends to the low level tools like useradd, groupadd and usermod programs, by default choosing Debian policy conformant UID and GID values, creating a home directory with skeletal configuration, running a custom script, and other features." |
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| 12:27.17 | babilen | ChrisH: As I said: Read the manpage and it should be clear. We are, after all, supporting Debian and not $RANDOMLINUX in here :) |
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| 12:27.49 | ecksun | I have a config file that I would like to reset to the default from the package, how can I do that? |
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| 12:30.47 | ChrisH | babilen: My works keeps me hoping around $RANDOMLINUX $RANDOMLINUX |
| 12:31.29 | ChrisH | babilen: My works keeps me hoping around $RANDOMLINUX $RANDOMUNIX and $RANDOMBSD so I try to use the commands avaliable on all platforms... but that topic is done now. |
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| 12:35.05 | ChrisH | ecksun: I assume there is a more elegant way using apt-*,dpkg. But downloading the package and extracting the file from there would be one way.... I am curious on a apt/dpkg way to do it |
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| 12:35.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell ecksun about confnew |
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| 12:36.51 | ecksun | babilen, thank you! :) |
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| 12:38.54 | babilen | ecksun: Make sure that you get the correct package (e.g. apache's configuration files are in apache2.2-common) |
| 12:38.59 | ecksun | is it possible to get the old file to diff them then? |
| 12:39.04 | ecksun | babilen, ah, yes |
| 12:39.48 | babilen | ecksun: "cp /path/to/old /path/to/some/temporary/old ; diff /path/to/old /path/to/some/temporary/old" ? |
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| 12:40.30 | ecksun | yeah, that works |
| 12:40.39 | babilen | ecksun: Are are you in fact only interested in the diff? (i.e. do you really want to replace the old with the default?) |
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| 12:41.31 | ecksun | well, yes, with a diff I can replace it too |
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| 12:43.25 | babilen | ecksun: What is your final goal? 1. Definitely replace with default, but you also want the diff *xor* 2. Simply want the diff and decide based on that if you want to incorporate changes/complete replace *xor* 3. Don't want to replace at all, just need the diff |
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| 12:44.54 | ecksun | xor ey, I want to know how to do everything, but 2. is mostly what I want to be able to do |
| 12:45.14 | ecksun | :) |
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| 12:49.57 | babilen | ecksun: In that case: "mkdir ~/tmp ; cd ~/tmp ; dget THE_PACKAGE_IN_QUESTION ; dpkg -x *.deb . ; diff PACKAGE-VERSION/etc/the/file /etc/the/file" |
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| 12:51.13 | babilen | ecksun: That will use dget to download the pacakge (install devscripts if you don't have it) and unpack it in ~/tmp (you might want to adjust that path) ... You can then create the diff easily and simply copy the default file over if you want to do that or incorporate changes |
| 12:51.18 | xeihui | quit |
| 12:51.28 | ecksun | yeah |
| 12:51.35 | ecksun | but, doesnt apt-get source do the same? |
| 12:52.41 | ecksun | but thank you anyway :) |
| 12:53.55 | boudiccas | ecksun: the source package is not the same as the install package |
| 12:53.59 | babilen | ecksun: No, "apt-get source" downloads the source package (which will, most likely contain the configuration file) whereas dget downloads the binary package. "dpkg -x the.deb ." unpacks the package to "." (i.e. current directory) |
| 12:54.28 | ecksun | oh, what is the difference? |
| 12:54.52 | boudiccas | ecksun: babilen has just explained it to you |
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| 12:55.07 | ecksun | between the source package and the binary package? |
| 12:55.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell ecksun about source package |
| 12:55.12 | ecksun | thank you :) |
| 12:55.16 | babilen | np |
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| 12:55.23 | ecksun | oh, yeah, ofc |
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| 13:01.38 | naknick | I had a wierd installation of 64 bit, and now I have to add myself to the audio group inorder to hear sound, and I can't shutdown the computer, probably need to add myself to an other group. But, before wehn I used 32 bit, there weren't these problems |
| 13:01.44 | naknick | what is the difference? |
| 13:02.06 | naknick | what happened that now it wants me to be part of these groups? |
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| 13:05.46 | sussudio | naknick: your old installation probably had these group permissions, cloning the packages didn't copy that. |
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| 13:06.34 | naknick | sussudio, but I have the /etc/group files and I didnt have more groups than I have now |
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| 13:10.52 | naknick | gnome had an option to sleep |
| 13:11.09 | naknick | i.e. suspend. Now it doesn't |
| 13:11.52 | naknick | maybe rebooting again will help |
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| 13:13.19 | ksk | hi |
| 13:14.11 | ksk | using host A i have access to host B and C. which is the best way to transfer files between B and C (which are not connected directly) - is a ssh tunnel usable in this scenario? |
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| 13:14.40 | ChrisH | ksk how often do you need that? |
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| 13:18.17 | ksk | just "once" |
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| 13:19.37 | ksk | or lets say temporary, should be no live setup in any way. |
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| 13:25.13 | jelly | ksk: if you have not enough space on A, then yes, you might set up a tunnel |
| 13:25.13 | abrotman | ksk: yhow many files? how much data? |
| 13:25.45 | jelly | about 3.50 |
| 13:25.50 | engla | you can pipe through ssh |
| 13:26.23 | jelly | timtowtdi |
| 13:27.32 | ksk | mhm, its for migrating a server and this tranfser(rsync) will just have to tranfser "some" diffs |
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| 13:29.07 | ksk | mhm i asked dpkg about ssh tunnel, he does not have any call back questions :P |
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| 13:29.59 | jelly | rsync can use its own protocol, or ssh, so you could create a tunnel that would allow B to contact C, or vice versa, for either of those two protocols |
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| 13:30.41 | jelly | if you care not about cpu resources waste, the easiest way is to tunnel ssh through ssh |
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| 13:33.33 | ogirardot | Hi everyone, i've just setup a private ssh key based debian repo, apt-get update works great but i can't find any of the defined packages. Packages.gz file looks ok, but i can't seem to see anything using apt-cache search ... or apt-get install. Any idea please ? |
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| 13:34.05 | Arafangion | jelly: Then there's netcat. :) |
| 13:34.06 | jelly | ksk: eg. on A, run ssh -R 10022:C:22 B, then B is able to connect to sshd on C using "ssh -P10022 localhost ...", or "rsync -e'ssh -P10022' [rsync options] rsync sources localhost:/some/destination/on/C/" |
| 13:34.13 | ksk | thanks for your time guys. |
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| 13:34.53 | jelly | Arafangion: is there an easy way to run an incremental rsync over nc? |
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| 13:36.34 | jelly | do tell |
| 13:37.30 | Arafangion | jelly: Well, no, but I admit i was thinking of piping tar through it. |
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| 13:48.20 | ripero | Hi; how can I run wine in debian? |
| 13:50.25 | bin | just install it |
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| 13:51.05 | ripero | it tells me it will remove gnome-session and gnome-shell |
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| 13:51.42 | bluesm1 | hi |
| 13:51.49 | bluesm1 | How to make for loop |
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| 13:53.42 | nkuttler | bluesm1: in which language? |
| 13:53.56 | bin | ripero: c/p |
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| 13:54.29 | somiaj | ripero: what version of debian? And where are you getting the wine package from? |
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| 13:55.04 | ripero | I am running wheezy/squeeze |
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| 13:55.24 | somiaj | umm, that could be your problem. Do not mix wheezy and squeeze. |
| 13:55.38 | bin | wow |
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| 13:55.58 | ripero | i tried wine, and I got a message from wine64-bin |
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| 13:56.25 | ripero | telling me to add the i386 architecture and install wine-bin:i386 |
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| 13:56.49 | ripero | but when I do so, and try to add the dependencies, it tells me that it will remove gnome-session and gnome-shell |
| 13:56.57 | somiaj | ripero: are you running wheezy or are you running squeeze. If you are running wheezy why didn't you follow that advice and add in multiarch support and do that. |
| 13:57.23 | somiaj | ripero: care to give the output of 'apt-cache policy' and the exact output of the command you ran at paste.debian.net |
| 13:57.33 | ripero | somiaj: I am running wheezy, but I may have some leftovers of squeeze |
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| 13:57.51 | somiaj | why do you have some leftovers and did not completely upgrade? |
| 13:58.10 | jelly | ripero: yeah, wine is a bit of a mess right now |
| 13:58.29 | jelly | ,v wine-unstable-bin |
| 13:58.30 | judd | No package named 'wine-unstable-bin' was found in i386. |
| 13:58.39 | jelly | ,v wine-unstable |
| 13:58.40 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
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| 13:59.02 | jelly | ripero: does trying to install wine-unstable:i386 result in similar problems? |
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| 14:01.41 | somiaj | the output would help from your install command. I still think you have some other strange libary conflict if it is trying to remove parts of gnome. |
| 14:01.43 | ripero | http://pastebin.com/Etdq9nVF |
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| 14:02.30 | ripero | somiaj:^ there it is |
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| 14:03.30 | somiaj | you need to first clean up your sources.list and then make sure you are fully running everything from wheezy |
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| 14:04.32 | somiaj | also be careful with the deb-multimedia repo, I would personally comment that one out and make sure you completely upgrade to wheezy. My guess is you have some lingering conflicts that is causing the problem |
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| 14:06.42 | ripero | somiaj: I don't think that's the problem (just extra old sources), but I'll try it |
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| 14:08.32 | somiaj | figure out why libwine-bin:i386 is not gonna be installed, my guess is there is some conflict lingering from your partial upgrade. |
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| 14:08.46 | somiaj | maybe try aptitude why libwine-bin:i386 |
| 14:08.50 | ripero | surprisingly, it seems to work |
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| 14:09.30 | bluesm | nkuttler: Sorry. |
| 14:09.38 | bluesm | nkuttler: I mean for loop like: |
| 14:10.16 | bluesm | for i in first_value second_value |
| 14:11.11 | bluesm | But first_value and second_value are separated by the "line break" not space... |
| 14:11.15 | bluesm | ? |
| 14:11.25 | bluesm | In bash of course :) |
| 14:11.42 | somiaj | ripero: it could be just some silly little conflict that didn't show itself until you added multiarch support. You can use aptitude search to search for non wheezy packages as well, or see what the problem is when you install libwine-bin:i386 -- until you isolate the conflict it is gonna be hard to fix. |
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| 14:14.10 | atc- | Hello. Anyone using Firefox Aurora builds from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 14:14.51 | atc- | Anyone know how often I should expect updates? e.g. daily? |
| 14:14.56 | nkuttler | bluesm: #bash |
| 14:15.17 | berzerka | testing is not frozen atm, or is it? |
| 14:15.25 | nkuttler | bluesm: fwiw, you can probably pipe your lines through sed |
| 14:15.27 | nkuttler | berzerka: it is |
| 14:15.29 | somiaj | berzerka: yes |
| 14:15.46 | berzerka | doesn't DPN write about this? |
| 14:15.54 | berzerka | then i must have missed it... |
| 14:16.52 | berzerka | oh yeah it does. sorry :P |
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| 14:21.04 | berzerka | its in the DPN from june 25th... excuses. |
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| 14:23.56 | ProfStrange | thank you debian community |
| 14:24.08 | ProfStrange | debian worked right out of the DVD |
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| 14:29.36 | blazemore | Can I get a list of packages which are on one system, and apply it to another? This includes *removing* packages on the target system which are not installed on the source system? Both source and target are on the same point release. |
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| 14:46.39 | jelly | blazemore: hm, you could mark all the installed packages as automatically installed first, then use the <aptitude clone> recipe |
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| 14:50.42 | xeon123 | When debian tries to enter the Gnome desktop and reads the .profile file, it can't enter the GUI giving me an error. How can I set a .profile in debian? |
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| 14:54.37 | somiaj | what is the error? |
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| 14:56.37 | somiaj | the $HOME/.profile I thought was created by default if there wasn't one there |
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| 15:01.26 | blazemore | jelly hi |
| 15:01.39 | blazemore | jelly: How do I go about doing that? (Also you seem to be everywhere) |
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| 15:09.06 | blackshirt | lxc-start give me a login prompt, when change tty1 to console in the container inittab ... but lxc-console doesnt bring me to login prompt.. anyone can help me, please |
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| 15:12.25 | blackshirt | lxc-start give me a login prompt, when change tty1 to console in the container inittab ... but lxc-console doesnt bring me to login prompt.. anyone can help me, please |
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| 15:20.05 | ivand | Hello. What do I need to do to get coredumps on debian? sh -c 'kill -s 11 $$' does not dump core |
| 15:20.20 | wojtas | kill -3? |
| 15:20.49 | darsie | I made coredumps with gdb. |
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| 15:23.30 | ivand | wojtas: what's the big difference? |
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| 15:24.33 | darsie | if both work, kill is much simpler. |
| 15:24.48 | wojtas | yep, that right |
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| 15:24.57 | ivand | darsie: let's say I attach gdb to a running apache process. What's the perfomance impact? |
| 15:25.09 | wojtas | but kill make dump in log file of process |
| 15:25.28 | wojtas | in gdb you can make in in what file you what |
| 15:26.08 | ivand | wojtas: well, yes. I didn't consider attaching gdb tbh. |
| 15:26.11 | darsie | ivand: IIRC the process stopped. You'd have to run it and I think there's no performance impact on therunning process. But I don't now much about gdb. |
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| 15:26.34 | ivand | darsie: well, thanks for the idea. |
| 15:26.47 | wojtas | <ivand> what kind of process you what dump? |
| 15:26.55 | wojtas | apache? java? |
| 15:26.59 | xeon123 | somiaj: It says that I've errors in the functions defined there. Maybe I've... But what I don't understand is that it works well in Ubuntu |
| 15:27.01 | ivand | darsie: but still I'd very like to have automatic kernel coredumps if something crashes |
| 15:27.03 | ivand | wojtas: apache |
| 15:27.19 | ivand | wojtas: I think some of its threads with php |
| 15:27.27 | darsie | ivand: Hmm, with gdb you may be able to let the process running after the dump. Didn't work for my java session, though. |
| 15:27.28 | wojtas | pff..is't dont work like |
| 15:27.50 | wojtas | fing in google |
| 15:27.52 | wojtas | core dump apache |
| 15:28.08 | wojtas | you can add some conf in apachce2.conf |
| 15:28.17 | ivand | wojtas: oh wow, it can dump itself |
| 15:28.21 | somiaj | xeon123: I asked for the exact error. Maybe if you would paste the error and paste your .profile (note if you have .bash_profile, then .profile won't be read) we could figure out the actual error |
| 15:28.25 | somiaj | xeon123: but just saying you have 'errors' doens't help us |
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| 15:28.40 | ivand | wojtas: ok, that's the second good idea. Thank you |
| 15:29.07 | ivand | darsie: but still I'd really like to have automatic kernel coredump |
| 15:29.16 | ivand | darsie: any ideas on that? |
| 15:29.50 | darsie | not me. maybe there's a live setting or at configure time before compiling. |
| 15:30.18 | wojtas | <darsie> kill -3 don't stop procress |
| 15:30.19 | ivand | darsie: compiling what? |
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| 15:30.35 | darsie | like echo 1 >somewhere/IP_MASQUERADING |
| 15:30.40 | darsie | ivand: the kernel. |
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| 15:31.05 | xeon123 | Can I define functions in the .bashrc? |
| 15:31.10 | darsie | s/IP_MASQUERADING/IP_FORWARD or so. |
| 15:31.15 | xeon123 | somiaj: Can I define functions in the .bashrc? |
| 15:31.22 | wojtas | <ivand> but whit apache core dump the is one problem, to find out problem |
| 15:31.42 | wojtas | you shoud you bt (but trace) |
| 15:32.00 | ivand | darsie: oh, I checked the kernel config. CONFIG_ELF_CORE=y. I think that's all I need |
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| 15:32.41 | ivand | xeon123: yes you do. Write something like foo() { echo 'I am inside a function!'; } |
| 15:32.41 | darsie | ivand: Search if there is a live setting. |
| 15:32.48 | somiaj | xeon123: .bashrc is just a bash script that is read when you login(1) |
| 15:32.57 | ivand | darsie: like in /proc, right? |
| 15:33.06 | darsie | Yeah, or maybe in /sys |
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| 15:33.11 | somiaj | xeon123: I don't know what you are tryign to do or what kinda functions you are trying to define. You are being extreamly vague. |
| 15:33.16 | ivand | darsie: I didn't find anything. But I think I'll try again. |
| 15:34.20 | somiaj | xeon123: so you can put anything in .bashrc that can be put into a bash script |
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| 15:35.22 | ivand | darsie, wojtas: thanks for the ideas. You were helpful. |
| 15:35.29 | wojtas | hynmn |
| 15:35.29 | darsie | yw :) |
| 15:35.35 | wojtas | no problem |
| 15:35.40 | xeon123 | somiaj: it's general purpose function that I defined to myself, like find all the git projects in my $HOME, or create a latex template? I've defined these function in .profile, because I wanted to invoke the functions in the bash. |
| 15:36.03 | somiaj | xeon123: how are you defining these functions? And by function do you mean alias? |
| 15:36.10 | wojtas | i you were had some problem write to me on priv |
| 15:36.34 | somiaj | xeon123: again why don't you just paste your .profile and the error you get so I (or someone else) has some clue what you have done and we can stop playing this guessing game |
| 15:36.43 | xeon123 | somiaj: I'm defining these function like: function argumentsessay() { ... } |
| 15:37.53 | somiaj | I'm unsure if functions can be accessed outside of the script they are in in bash, but if you are getting errors maybe your syntax is off. |
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| 15:44.04 | Pinchiukas | What is squeeze-updates? Am I not getting updates via "main"? |
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| 15:45.01 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: what do you mean? squeeze-updates shouldn't have to many updates, just a few bug fixes now and again |
| 15:45.24 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: squeeze-updates contains bugfixes/updates that get put into main at a point release |
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| 15:46.06 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: so the difference between 6.0.5 and 6.0.6 is all of the security fixes and squeeze-updates were added into the squeeze repo. So using squeeze-updates allows you to get the updates as they come and not have to wait for the next point release |
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| 15:47.01 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: I mean there is a distribution called squeeze-updates. If I'm not using it, I will only get the updates after a point release? |
| 15:47.57 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: correct, squeeze's repos are basically frozen, with the idea that bug/security fixes only. They are only put in the offical squeeze repo during point release. Until that time you can get them via security.debian.org or squeeze-updates (depending on if it was a security or bug issue mainly) |
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| 15:49.15 | somiaj | so the only time the offical squeeze repos will change is during a point release, so yes if you dont' have squeeze-updates they will eventally find a way into squeeze's offical repo |
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| 15:49.43 | somiaj | but like security.debian.org it is suggested you include it so you get updates/fixes as they come as opposed to waiting. |
| 15:50.04 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: so I'm at the latest point release with "deb http://ftp.lt.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib" and I'm using the point release plus bug fixes if I have "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free contrib"? |
| 15:51.09 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: security.debian.org only proivdes the security fixes. There are bug fixes that get applied to some packages as well, hence squeeze-updates |
| 15:51.47 | somiaj | but that is enough to be secure, which is the main concern. |
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| 15:52.50 | somiaj | really wish they would rename, sort out squeeze/updates vs squeeze-updates as they are two different things. |
| 15:53.11 | stefunel | when is rc.local run? Is it run only once during boottime on a machine with no GUI? |
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| 15:53.54 | somiaj | stefunel: it is the very last init script that is run (only in the case you chomod +x it) |
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| 15:54.23 | somiaj | stefunel: by default it is ignored unless you decided to chmod +x it and add something to it. Depending on what you want to do you can use /etc/rc.local or make your own init script |
| 15:54.37 | Guest79569 | I would like to install debian-wheezy on virtual machine. I do not have much storage space and want to use LVM and have separate partitions for root and home. I am going to use debian-wheezy-D1-b4-amd64-netist.iso and install desktop environment, regular utilities and ssh server. Question: what would be the smallest reasonable space I need to allocate for root and home? |
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| 15:54.57 | somiaj | stefunel: if you would have read the info in /etc/rc.local it would have explained that to you. |
| 15:55.19 | wojtas | <Guest79569> 5 GB for all |
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| 15:55.43 | wojtas | if you won't install any thig else |
| 15:55.51 | stefunel | somiaj, I did, this is why I asked if it is run only once as it is stated that it is run at the end of each run level. |
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| 15:56.27 | somiaj | Guest79569: you probabaly don't need more than a few GB for a smaller DE, note since you are using a netinstall all the packages wll have to be downloaded and saved, so you will need some extra space beyond your expected application size to store the debs during installs (But with apt-get clean you can remove them once everything is installed) |
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| 15:56.42 | wojtas | <Guest79569> take 10 GB for luck ;) but for what LVM? |
| 15:57.16 | somiaj | stefunel: that means that if you were to switch runlevels (by default in debian they are all the same and so this isn't a common thing to do). It would run it at the end of the init scripts when you switch too |
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| 15:58.01 | somiaj | stefunel: but correct, when you boot up you boot up into a run level (Which are all the same by default on debian for the multisuer ones). It gets run once each time you change runlevels. Most likley you won't be doing this, and if you were you would understand how they work and be configuring them yourself. |
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| 16:00.34 | Guest79569 | wojtas, I just want to use logical volume manager when partitioning disk. Out of 10 GB, how much should allocated to roo? |
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| 16:01.36 | wojtas | hynmn i don;t how is;t on virtual box but in normal mashine you can resie LVMs |
| 16:01.50 | wojtas | what is the most fun ting i all LVMs |
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| 16:02.04 | wojtas | if i where you |
| 16:02.20 | Guest79569 | somiage, thanks |
| 16:02.22 | wojtas | i will give in VB some thing like |
| 16:02.25 | wojtas | 50 G |
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| 16:02.36 | wojtas | but in the system take olny 10 |
| 16:02.49 | wojtas | so you can resize it |
| 16:03.18 | wojtas | it;s to explain for me.. i;m not good in engish ;P |
| 16:03.47 | wojtas | but you undersend? <Guest79569> are you? |
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| 16:09.40 | bluesm | Do you know where I can find list of working proxies ? |
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| 16:12.14 | darsie | ask google. |
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| 16:12.24 | darsie | hi mowly |
| 16:12.34 | mowly | Hi all |
| 16:13.29 | darsie | I tried to install skype like this: http://wiki.debian.org/skype But I get dependency problems: http://paste.debian.net/214557/ |
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| 16:14.45 | wojtas | <darsie> find skype 2.2.0.35-1 |
| 16:15.17 | darsie | ok ... |
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| 16:18.09 | darsie | Although I'd like to try version 4.1.0.20 ... |
| 16:18.12 | Kre10s_ | its sad that skype is the only linux voip that actually works. SIP always has problems with the NATs. at least on most mobile connections |
| 16:18.37 | wojtas | update libqt4-network |
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| 16:19.13 | Kre10s_ | hmm? |
| 16:19.21 | wojtas | some line apt-get remove libqt4-network && apt-get install libqt4-networ |
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| 16:20.11 | weeb1e_ | Does anyone know how I can manually kill TIME_WAIT sockets which no longer have a parent process? |
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| 16:28.55 | dcherniv | weeb1e, you cant. |
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| 16:29.10 | bluesm | how to in "vi" and "nano" delete all / |
| 16:29.11 | bluesm | ? |
| 16:29.17 | weeb1e | dcherniv: Are you sure there is absolutely no way? |
| 16:29.44 | wojtas | cat /dev/null > file ? |
| 16:29.58 | ChrisH | bluesm: in vi: ESC :1 DG fone |
| 16:30.16 | Rydekull | bluesm: ... why do you want for both editors? |
| 16:30.19 | weeb1e | Running my server process in wine makes the process unable to reuse the port still in use due to TIME_WAIT, which means I have to delay server restarts by almost a minute, else it cannot bind to the port again. This is not an acceptable solution |
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| 16:30.32 | Rydekull | bluesm: vi: :%s/\///g |
| 16:30.55 | ChrisH | does not know anything about nano, but it 10^-9 |
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| 16:31.23 | vt0r | :%s%/%% will also work in vi/vim without requiring the escape (\) |
| 16:31.36 | vt0r | for nano, just exit and use sed :D |
| 16:31.37 | bluesm | Rydekull: Because I use nano most of the time, But wanna learn vi... |
| 16:32.05 | wojtas | sed -i '%s%/%%' file will do the same |
| 16:32.21 | dcherniv | weeb1e, 90% positive unless linux has some tricks up its sleeve, on freeBSD you can only wait for the socket to finish |
| 16:32.25 | ChrisH | bluesm: If you once know VI you will never touch anything else. |
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| 16:32.48 | ChrisH | wojtas: > file |
| 16:33.05 | wojtas | no, -i change file |
| 16:33.37 | wojtas | you dont; have to > someware :) |
| 16:33.58 | vt0r | -i is an inline edit (edits file in place), so wojtas is correct |
| 16:34.05 | wojtas | :) |
| 16:35.03 | bluesm | ChrisH: I've read in "debian handbook" to not discuss about "what is the best text editor" :) |
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| 16:35.30 | bluesm | Rydekull: Thank you very much :) |
| 16:35.39 | jelly | !start an editor war |
| 16:35.39 | dpkg | nvi is known to cause ulcers! |
| 16:35.57 | vt0r | bluesm, that's probably very good etiquette, as some users regard them similarly to religion. Start with all three of the big ones (emacs, vi, nano) and see which you like best |
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| 16:37.45 | ChrisH | and keep in Mind which editor is avaliable on all platforms. Sometimes one is forced by externals to use a Windows or Mac or .. system and for all vi is there :) |
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| 16:39.52 | ikkuplio | hello there. i'm trying to get my hardware-crashed debian lenny to work with a new mobo and a core i3. booting produces the kernel panic. |
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| 16:40.22 | ikkuplio | i've booted an install cd and managed to access everything in rescue mode |
| 16:40.38 | ikkuplio | all partitions, including boot, are md drives |
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| 16:41.15 | ikkuplio | so i wonder, if i unplug the 2nd, if i fail fxing it with the first drive, the 2nd could jump in and be the new master? |
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| 16:42.25 | ChrisH | ikkuplio: I would fail and remove the second disk using mdadm commands before unplugging it |
| 16:43.04 | ikkuplio | ChrisH: how do i add it if it works? |
| 16:43.08 | ikkuplio | i mean again |
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| 16:44.05 | ikkuplio | fail would prevent that drive from being auto-added to the array, right? |
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| 16:44.30 | ChrisH | ikkuplio: the same way.. mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:45.04 | ChrisH | ikkuplio: needed to check my notes on how-to recovern from splitted mirror |
| 16:45.28 | ikkuplio | Thank you! |
| 16:45.34 | ikkuplio | i will boot and fail these drives |
| 16:45.39 | ikkuplio | the drive |
| 16:45.40 | ikkuplio | i mean |
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| 16:46.10 | ikkuplio | do you happen to know a good guide to installing debian on an existing system |
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| 16:50.00 | MyWay | hello, my webcam is detected by the system, but cheese says no device found, what can I do? |
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| 16:51.21 | ChrisH | MyWay: IIRC you are running not Debian, what does /etc/debian_version show? |
| 16:51.45 | MyWay | wheezy/sid |
| 16:51.56 | darsie | what does ssb (the dpkg factoid) mean? |
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| 16:52.37 | ikkuplio | my boot partition is on a raid device |
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| 16:52.46 | ikkuplio | should i unraid it bofre trying to recover? |
| 16:53.04 | ChrisH | ikkuplio: not needed it grub is on both disks! |
| 16:53.21 | ikkuplio | it should be... |
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| 16:53.41 | ChrisH | need to leave now |
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| 16:54.14 | ikkuplio | thanks big time! |
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| 16:56.21 | babilen | darsie: It explains how to backport packages yourself in the case they are not in backports already. Also check with "/msg judd checkbackport PKG" if the build-dependencies can be satisfied |
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| 16:57.22 | MyWay | ChrisH: there's nothing I can check? |
| 16:57.24 | darsie | babilen: yeah. I mean the acronym ssb extended. |
| 16:57.34 | babilen | darsie: "simple sid backport" |
| 16:57.35 | darsie | So I can memorize it better. |
| 16:57.38 | darsie | thx |
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| 17:02.00 | darsie | Backporting package libqt4-network in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: firebird-dev [amd64 armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sh4 sparc], pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14.2). |
| 17:02.05 | ikkuplio | should i use 686-bigmem or amd64 on a cori3 lenny kernel? |
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| 17:02.19 | darsie | So I can't backport the skype 4.1 dependencies? |
| 17:02.19 | ikkuplio | cori3 = Core i3 |
| 17:02.32 | Devastator | ikkuplio why lenny? |
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| 17:03.05 | ikkuplio | had trouble upgrading to squeeze before crash |
| 17:03.32 | darsie | babilen: Or can I try to backport the unsatisfied second level dependencies? |
| 17:03.40 | ikkuplio | so to revive the system i think i should try to get the version running and then dis upgrade it |
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| 17:03.55 | ikkuplio | dist-upgrade |
| 17:04.26 | ikkuplio | widch of the 2 should i take? |
| 17:04.30 | ikkuplio | witch |
| 17:04.32 | ikkuplio | omg |
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| 17:04.39 | darsie | which |
| 17:04.45 | ikkuplio | :) |
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| 17:05.11 | ikkuplio | even closer to what i originally intended to say |
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| 17:09.24 | ikkuplio | ... ok installing the kernel image failed with Perl Locale error |
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| 17:17.36 | abhinavmehta | need some script which does bare minimum distro update, based on distro type….is someone had written something such before?? http://bpaste.net/show/s6n3SBXs31Xxtd6aaeAB/ |
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| 17:20.59 | ikkuplio | "no filesystem could mount root" any idea how to debug his? |
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| 17:22.08 | Cpuroast | so I decided to play with apt-pinning |
| 17:22.17 | Cpuroast | to get the newest version of vsftpd |
| 17:22.31 | Cpuroast | app was upgraded |
| 17:22.41 | Cpuroast | decided to keep same config file |
| 17:23.01 | Cpuroast | service runs, but now TLS connections |
| 17:23.02 | Cpuroast | fail |
| 17:23.28 | Cpuroast | get a nice: GnuTLS error -15: An unexpected TLS packet was received. |
| 17:23.33 | Cpuroast | error in Filezilla |
| 17:24.08 | somiaj | Cpuroast: what version of debian do you run? |
| 17:24.14 | Cpuroast | squeeze |
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| 17:24.23 | somiaj | if you say squeeze and you are apt-pinning wheezy you have just shot yourself in the foot how does it feel? |
| 17:24.38 | Cpuroast | apt-pinning unstable |
| 17:24.40 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 17:24.43 | somiaj | Cpuroast: do not use apt-pinning...note it is not vsftpd that is the problem, it is that it may depend on core libaries that are not in squeeze |
| 17:24.49 | somiaj | Cpuroast: even worse, way to break your own system |
| 17:24.54 | Cpuroast | it's a test system |
| 17:25.01 | Cpuroast | :) |
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| 17:25.08 | doberman | I have 2 IPs, set on eth0 and eth0:0, but if I open a website like "showmyip" it shows me the eth0:0 IP address. How can I make the 1st IP address (the one on eth0) to be the default one ? |
| 17:25.16 | somiaj | Cpuroast: again vsftpd is not the issue, but it will depend on core libs (Such as libc6) and once you start mixing in the core libaries on your system bugs will arise |
| 17:25.21 | somiaj | Cpuroast: the correct way is to get a backport. |
| 17:25.25 | somiaj | ,v vsfptd |
| 17:25.26 | judd | No package named 'vsfptd' was found in i386. |
| 17:25.35 | somiaj | ,vvsftpd |
| 17:25.48 | Cpuroast | somiaj: no backports for vsftpd 3.0.2 |
| 17:25.53 | Cpuroast | I looked |
| 17:25.54 | somiaj | ,v vsftpd |
| 17:25.55 | judd | Package: vsftpd on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.7-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.7-1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.3.5-3; sid: 3.0.2-1 |
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| 17:26.03 | somiaj | ,check-backport vsftpd |
| 17:26.06 | judd | Backporting package vsftpd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
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| 17:26.21 | somiaj | Cpuroast: then make your own, it looks like you can fairly easy. just follow the instructions in '/msg dpkg ssbp' |
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| 17:26.39 | somiaj | Cpuroast: the answer is always get a backport on squeeze for newersoftware (always). If one isn't provided to you by debian you then have to make your own |
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| 17:28.33 | somiaj | Cpuroast: note once you build the backport (.deb) for squeeze you can install it on other systems. So you don't have to build the backport on the server you want to install it |
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| 17:28.52 | somiaj | Cpuroast: side note, you have now become resonsable to add/rebuild the package to keep it secure. |
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| 17:59.15 | gr8 | hi. just installed my new debian squeeze, and my 2nd monitor is black... do you have a preferred way or article on how to solve this? |
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| 18:02.31 | Cpuroast | somiaj: ended up purging the sid version of vsftpd and re-installing the squeeze one |
| 18:02.36 | Cpuroast | TLS works again |
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| 18:03.00 | jp^ | gr8: depending on your gfx, either install nvidia or amd/ati drivers. Then theres a control panel which can help you. |
| 18:03.35 | Cpuroast | obviously something is up with vsftpd from sid running on squeeze |
| 18:04.00 | Cpuroast | even ended up trying to upgrade openssl from sid, didn't help |
| 18:04.14 | Cpuroast | so now it's running vsftpd from squeeze with openssl from sid |
| 18:04.37 | gr8 | jp^: thx. it seems the xorg-xserver-video-{nv,nouveau} packages are installed |
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| 18:05.24 | theredmood | Hello |
| 18:05.39 | theredmood | I have a problem with my sound cards. |
| 18:05.47 | theredmood | Debian detects one of them, but not the other |
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| 18:05.53 | theredmood | With alsa. |
| 18:06.12 | theredmood | When I do lscpi both show up tho. |
| 18:06.44 | theredmood | What it is currently insisting on using is the amd radeon sound card, but that seems to be bugged |
| 18:07.04 | theredmood | I want it to use the built in intel sounds, since those seemed to work |
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| 18:11.05 | jp^ | gr8: try download the drivers from the nvidia or amd site. And then find the control panel under apps. |
| 18:12.12 | gr8 | jp^: do I really need the proprietary drivers? in general I would really prefer open source drivers if that is possible |
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| 18:14.13 | jp^ | gr8: i asume that you already tried checking out System -> Preferences -> Monitors ? |
| 18:14.44 | gr8 | jp^: indeed, it says "Unknown" |
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| 18:17.30 | jp^ | Then i think you have too install the proprietary drivers to get it to work. Is both your screens marked as unkown ? |
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| 18:18.25 | jp^ | Or can you only see one screen ? |
| 18:19.28 | gr8 | jp^: the latter. only one "Unknown" screen there |
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| 18:20.21 | jp^ | Okay, you could first try to install an older version of the open source driver. Or else my best guess is to install the proprietary driver. |
| 18:20.33 | doberman | Is it normal quotacheck to be very slow on 2TB hdd (already 30 minutes and still checking.. (quotacheck using only 1% CPU tho) ? |
| 18:21.05 | dbb | is it practical to block all IP traffic originating in CHina or East Asia? is this done much here in North America? I have had a couple of breakins over the last several years and I dont want to worry so much |
| 18:21.52 | gr8 | jp^: ok thank you. I'll try if I can solve it without changing drivers first, and then act on your advice |
| 18:22.00 | ksk | dbb: if you are a target that wont help you |
| 18:22.16 | ksk | if you are not a target do secure your applications, should not happen.. |
| 18:22.25 | jp^ | dbb: I've done this on my server located en germany, and the result was the a few people in my own area where blocked. So its not the best solution |
| 18:22.46 | theredmood | Hmm |
| 18:22.49 | ksk | there is a way using geo-ip and stuff, jsut google it |
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| 18:22.55 | theredmood | Would installing wheezy solve the problem about sound? |
| 18:23.03 | dbb | hmm i count about 530 root login attempts over the last 20 hours ... on this unmarked machine |
| 18:23.27 | dbb | they seem to come from China a lot |
| 18:23.27 | theredmood | Wow :o |
| 18:23.37 | theredmood | Maybe they are using an vpn in china? |
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| 18:24.18 | dbb | ksk I am about to add some services on this box, thats why I am thinking about this... |
| 18:24.38 | somiaj | Cpuroast: make sure you don't have any sid libaries hidden on your system |
| 18:25.04 | somiaj | Cpuroast: also I just told you not to mix sid/stable until you stop doing that you will run into many many strange issues that are hard to figure out |
| 18:25.12 | somiaj | Cpuroast: stop that and make backports if you need them. |
| 18:25.16 | dbb | jp^ hmm ok, so the ip addresses are not identified perfectly |
| 18:25.27 | Cpuroast | somiaj: vsftpd was quite clean regarding deps |
| 18:25.34 | Cpuroast | didn't really download any |
| 18:25.55 | Cpuroast | I reverted vsftpd to stable |
| 18:25.57 | somiaj | all it takes is upgrading libc6 or another core lib and you are entering a world of pain |
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| 18:26.19 | jp^ | dbb: no, atleast i couldn't get it to work 100%. But if you have sshguard or something similar i dont think your in trouble |
| 18:26.36 | Cpuroast | apt-show-versions | grep libc6 libc6/squeeze uptodate 2.11.3-4 libc6-dev/squeeze uptodate 2.11.3-4 libc6-i386/squeeze uptodate 2.11.3-4 |
| 18:26.46 | Cpuroast | no damage down to those |
| 18:26.49 | Cpuroast | done |
| 18:27.28 | dbb | ah hm sshguard.. looking |
| 18:28.09 | somiaj | Cpuroast: aptitude search ~Aunstable -- run that, find all your unstable packages and downgrade them to the squeeze version. Remove your pinning/unstable sources and start making backports. Else you are only gonna have buggy systems. |
| 18:28.19 | petn-randall | jp^: Out of interest, how does sshguard compare to fail2ban? |
| 18:28.20 | Cpuroast | somiaj: libssl1.0.0/testing uptodate 1.0.1c-4 multiarch-support/testing uptodate 2.13-37 openssl/testing uptodate 1.0.1c-4 tzdata/testing uptodate 2012g-1 |
| 18:28.25 | Cpuroast | is the only things it touched |
| 18:28.51 | Cpuroast | ran: apt-show-versions | grep testing |
| 18:28.52 | somiaj | oh so you have testing and multiarch support now enabled on your system....lovely. Sometimes I wish it was way harder for people to mix repos. (: |
| 18:29.26 | Cpuroast | haha |
| 18:29.37 | Cpuroast | I can flush the VM at anypoint |
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| 18:29.47 | Cpuroast | should have taken a snapshot |
| 18:29.54 | Cpuroast | prior to the mixing |
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| 18:29.57 | somiaj | I would start over and do it the right way. Learn to build your own backports...it is worth the extra effort. |
| 18:30.04 | theredmood | hmm |
| 18:30.09 | Cpuroast | or live with stable vsftpd |
| 18:30.13 | Cpuroast | or try pure |
| 18:30.14 | theredmood | Well, I will just try my idea then :D |
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| 18:30.26 | ProfStrange | he |
| 18:30.53 | Cpuroast | just wanted an ftpd package that can resolve the pasv address from a DNS with every passive request |
| 18:30.53 | Armand|Laptop | I used Win7 to create a partition on my ext drive, now it won't mount.. I formatted it as "exFAT", should I reformat or can I fix it? |
| 18:31.01 | somiaj | Cpuroast: it looks fairly easy to backport vsftpd, probabaly take far less time than you spent dealing with these bugs. (: |
| 18:31.12 | Armand|Laptop | sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb60 -t ntfs -r |
| 18:31.13 | Armand|Laptop | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:31.16 | Cpuroast | if vsftpd even allows it |
| 18:31.19 | Cpuroast | in 3.0.2 |
| 18:31.52 | jp^ | petn-randall: Really not sure about that, guess i've thoose sshguard because it were availble on more systems. But at this point i might think fail2ban is better/has more features. |
| 18:31.55 | somiaj | Armand|Laptop: try -t vfat -- though I'm unsure if exFAT is compadable with vfat. I saw that new filesystem in win7 but don't know much about it. |
| 18:32.09 | Armand|Laptop | I'll give that a go.. |
| 18:32.14 | Cpuroast | no exfat drivers for linux yet |
| 18:32.17 | Cpuroast | as far as I know |
| 18:32.27 | somiaj | most likely when there are drivers it will come though fuse |
| 18:32.33 | Cpuroast | OSX 10.6.5 and up and Windows Vista/7 |
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| 18:32.51 | dbb | for sshguard, choose a firewall.. any hints on this choice? pf | ipfw | iptables | ipfilter |
| 18:32.52 | Cpuroast | yah I doubt we'll see a kernel driver |
| 18:32.53 | Cpuroast | for it |
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| 18:33.07 | Armand|Laptop | somiaj, mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist >_< |
| 18:33.08 | somiaj | seems there are some staging/development drivers in the linux kernel, but you have to enable them |
| 18:33.16 | Cpuroast | I see |
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| 18:33.22 | Cpuroast | so not ready yet |
| 18:33.31 | Cpuroast | and corruption is a good possibility |
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| 18:33.33 | Armand|Laptop | I think I should reformat as straight NTFS. |
| 18:33.39 | somiaj | there is a exfat-fuse package in testing/unstable that should work to. |
| 18:33.44 | Cpuroast | atleast NTFS is well understood with NTFS-3G |
| 18:33.52 | Cpuroast | and is actually safer than exfat |
| 18:33.52 | somiaj | yea I wish win7 would allow fat32 formatting, kinda annoying when I found out it couldn't |
| 18:33.56 | Cpuroast | since it's journaled |
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| 18:34.01 | Armand|Laptop | I thought exFAT would just be a silly naming for FAT32. *facepalms* |
| 18:34.03 | Cpuroast | and has 2 copies of the MFT |
| 18:34.22 | somiaj | Armand|Laptop: I had the same thought when I saw it. But in testing/unstable there is exfat-utils and exfat-fuse |
| 18:34.26 | jp^ | dbb: iptables if your on standard debian |
| 18:34.27 | dbb | fail2ban looking... |
| 18:34.36 | dbb | yes, debian 6 |
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| 18:35.18 | dbb | sshguard has better graphic design on their site :-p |
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| 18:37.15 | Armand|Laptop | :/ |
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| 18:42.56 | dbb | ugh iptables mucking ... |
| 18:43.11 | petn-randall | dbb: You can also take a look at a more high-level firewall like shorewall. It builds upon iptables. |
| 18:43.20 | dbb | thank you |
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| 18:43.48 | dbb | sshguard trunk builds easily but requires a hook to make the comm to iptables work |
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| 18:44.15 | dbb | apparently |
| 18:44.26 | petn-randall | dbb: AFAIK you can only use iptables on a linux kernel and a recent OS. |
| 18:44.41 | dbb | thats ok.. why not? |
| 18:44.42 | somiaj | denyhosts is kinda simple, but buggy (I get myself deney from time to time and need an alternate root to work). But it uses /etc/hosts.deny as opposed to iptables. |
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| 18:45.04 | petn-randall | dbb: That sounded wrong. Recent linux kernels don't support any other than iptables, that's what I tried to say. |
| 18:45.17 | dbb | ah |
| 18:45.39 | jp^ | the iptables entry is already made, you just have to uncomment it if i remember currectly |
| 18:45.45 | somiaj | yea iptables kinda replaced a collection of tools that did some of the features. But this was back in the 2.4 kernel days, its been common for a while now. |
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| 18:46.21 | dbb | I like the new way.. also just so you know, it appears that sshguard 1.5 has simplified the interface to log files with a new utility LogSucker |
| 18:46.27 | dbb | it looks like things are easier now |
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| 18:48.02 | venkatb1_ | problems with tftp |
| 18:48.08 | XATRIX | Hi guys, sorry for a noob question, but how can i make my sshd autostart with system ? |
| 18:48.18 | venkatb1_ | I want a multi-threaded tftp which works for a mixed IPV4 IPV6 system |
| 18:48.26 | somiaj | XATRIX: it should do that by default when you installed it. |
| 18:48.27 | venkatb1_ | but xinetd cannot use multi-threaded tftp |
| 18:48.34 | ikkuplio | mdadm Question: when booting my debian lenny i get a kernel panic since md si unable to discover the raid volumes. when booting via live cd mdadm assembles my arrays as md125,md227 aso instead of md0, md1... |
| 18:48.47 | venkatb1_ | and atftpd does not work without --bind-address which makes it just IPV6 or IPV6 |
| 18:48.50 | ikkuplio | is this possibly the reason booting fails? |
| 18:48.56 | venkatb1_ | can someone help me please if they have an experience ? |
| 18:48.57 | XATRIX | somiaj, nope. It does not, how can i check it for autostart ? |
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| 18:49.14 | ikkuplio | how can i influence the device a raid is being recovered into? |
| 18:49.28 | somiaj | XATRIX: ls /etc/rc?.d/*ssh* -- what is the output of that? |
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| 18:49.55 | somiaj | XATRIX: you also installed the ssh package (thus the ssh-server package)? |
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| 18:50.22 | XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# ls /etc/rc?.d/*ssh* /etc/rc0.d/K20ssh /etc/rc2.d/S55ssh /etc/rc4.d/S55ssh /etc/rc6.d/K20ssh /etc/rc1.d/K20ssh /etc/rc3.d/S55ssh /etc/rc5.d/S55ssh |
| 18:50.27 | somiaj | ikkuplio: why do you want to do that? The new way is to use the UUID of the filesystem to be able to identify the different filesystems |
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| 18:51.01 | somiaj | XATRIX: those links seem right. does /etc/init.d/ssh start -- does that start your ssh server? |
| 18:51.10 | XATRIX | Sure |
| 18:51.18 | somiaj | XATRIX: is that how you have been starting it after boot? |
| 18:51.22 | XATRIX | But i'm not sure it will start after i reboot my system |
| 18:51.24 | ShockValue | hey all.. im trying to install open-iscsi, but it says the package isnt found.. im just following a howto online, but cant seem to get past this part :D |
| 18:51.25 | jp^ | venkatb1_: You cant just use * for it to listen on all ip adresses ? |
| 18:51.26 | ShockValue | any thoughts? |
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| 18:51.35 | venkatb1_ | jp^: I will try |
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| 18:51.55 | XATRIX | Yes, i opened my terminal application, and did start it manually |
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| 18:52.13 | somiaj | XATRIX: the links are in the right spot, provided the script is right it should start. This is the default behavior so if it doesn't start it is most likely something you have done to your system |
| 18:52.13 | ikkuplio | somiaj, im running on lenny. im trying to get the system back up again before upgrading. how would i achieve this uuid based naming anyways? |
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| 18:52.33 | XATRIX | Ok...will hope it is right |
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| 18:52.51 | ikkuplio | in my mdadm.conf the uuids are stated |
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| 18:53.04 | ikkuplio | ... im using grub |
| 18:53.35 | venkatb1_ | jp^: atftpd says "atftpd: invalid IP address bin" |
| 18:53.38 | somiaj | ikkuplio: I would wait for someone else, I don't have much experience with mdm and don't want to give untested avise |
| 18:53.45 | venkatb1_ | may be escape * as \* |
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| 18:54.05 | ikkuplio | somiaj, thanks anyways |
| 18:54.08 | venkatb1_ | that did not work too. atftpd: invalid IP address \* |
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| 18:55.27 | vt0r | venkatb1_, the man page says this: |
| 18:55.28 | vt0r | Specify the IP address which atftpd binds to. Useful when --daemon is specified. Default is to bind to all interfaces. Only one address can be specified, the server can only listen to one or all interfaces. |
| 18:55.30 | somiaj | ikkuplio: you should always backup before you upgrade. But you could try to do the kernel/udev part of the upgrade from your live system then get into a chroot (since you are upgrading why not try to get the new kernel/udev which might make mounting the mdm easier) |
| 18:55.47 | XATRIX | How can i update debian ? dpkg --update-avail * ? |
| 18:55.55 | somiaj | ikkuplio: I'm assuming you are following the release notes or /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:55.56 | vt0r | venkatb1_, have you tried running the daemon (with --daemon) and omitting --bind-address ? |
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| 18:56.09 | XATRIX | Or install some software |
| 18:56.18 | somiaj | XATRIX: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or use aptitude) |
| 18:56.22 | vt0r | XATRIX, run 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get -u upgrade' |
| 18:56.26 | vt0r | oh. what he said :D |
| 18:56.31 | venkatb1_ | vt0r, I tried. The problem is it says invalid IP. "atftpd: invalid IP address" |
| 18:56.33 | XATRIX | Right ) |
| 18:56.43 | NotStooge | hello i am constantly getting spammed to join #debian on 1 bulgarian server and half of the ppl there are not debian users at all :p anyway do you have any idea how to roll there? ;p |
| 18:56.51 | somiaj | XATRIX: unless you have the .deb or have to manually mess with your packages, you don't use dpkg that often. Mostly apt for installing/removing as it will fetch stuff from the net for you |
| 18:56.58 | venkatb1_ | vt0r, It is like a catch22. Give the bind address and you get ipv4 or ipv6 (not both) and dont give it ... the daemon does not run |
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| 18:57.33 | vt0r | venkatb1_, Make sure nothing is configured in /etc/default/atftpd either because that error should not be shown unless you specify a bind address |
| 18:57.53 | somiaj | NotStooge: probabaly a spammer trying to get mass joins in #debian. No one in debian should be spamming people to join. |
| 18:58.23 | XATRIX | somiaj, thanks, that's what i was looking for. I know how to handle apt-get. I didn't know it is in this system :) |
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| 18:58.32 | XATRIX | Also can you look at http://hastebin.com/bonapukefa.avrasm |
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| 18:59.03 | ikkuplio | somiaj, i have a backup, at least that. i didnt look at migrating to squeeze since im afraid of doing this while the system is in this state |
| 18:59.16 | NotStooge | somiaj not on this server :p |
| 18:59.25 | NotStooge | just some bulgarian crap server |
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| 18:59.44 | somiaj | NotStooge: this channell is one of the large freenode ones that gets lots of attacks. My guess is it is part of that or someone very bored. |
| 19:00.09 | NotStooge | no it is on other irc server... :p |
| 19:00.19 | somiaj | ikkuplio: it was just a random suggestion. You might find it easier to detect everything once you get the base kernel upgraded which is the first step in the upgrade process. |
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| 19:01.11 | somiaj | ikkuplio: i.e. a newer kernel + udev might have an easier time with your mdm and it will help put you on the way in the right direction. But yes your idea is probabaly best, get it working before upgrade. |
| 19:01.13 | NotStooge | can anyone give me some error log that i can't find easy with google? :p |
| 19:01.14 | dbb | romania is bad news also.. a recent hacked machine connected to a romanian machine to get the evil goods |
| 19:02.33 | dbb | maybe I should get sshguard to block romania and bulgaria *and* china :-) at any rate, I am remote now.. I think I will wait on this iptables part until I am local.. thx for the pointers though |
| 19:02.37 | ikkuplio | somiaj, at least if i fail i have a chance to proof my backup cycle is working :( |
| 19:03.31 | somiaj | ikkuplio: yea also my advise is that of a amature who likes to play and have fun and not care if thigns break. If your on the job you have far more important concerns than that of a random irc chatter |
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| 19:11.34 | Nirgal | Hi. Is there any stats about how many people are using stable vs testing? I'm surprised that the popcon of my package mdbtools shows that more than 50% of people use a lib only available in testing... |
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| 19:13.13 | somiaj | Nirgal: not sure how you would get such stats. Are these stats based on downloads of the package? |
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| 19:13.28 | invariant | What do I need to install to get info pages for libc? |
| 19:13.45 | Nirgal | somiaj: based on popularity contest |
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| 19:14.33 | somiaj | Nirgal: I just don't see an easy way to get useful stats. Since testing users will be downloading/ugrading packages a lot more than stable users who will sit quielty and not be counted |
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| 19:15.03 | invariant | Nirgal, what's the purpose of your intelligence gathering? |
| 19:15.05 | AimHere | invariant, glibc-doc, probably |
| 19:15.18 | somiaj | Nirgal: and how do you determine popularity. Number of times a package is downloaded and installed on a system? |
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| 19:15.33 | AimHere | invariant, or perhaps glibc-doc-reference |
| 19:15.57 | somiaj | plus lots of the big stable networks will use a local repo, and so though there could be hundereds of stable servers running things, the offical mirrors only get hit once. |
| 19:15.58 | ikkuplio | he complains about perl locales... |
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| 19:16.13 | themill | Nirgal: popcon can give you stable vs testing too, but remember that popcon is imperfect because not everyone installs it and has it report back |
| 19:16.18 | invariant | AimHere, thanks |
| 19:17.06 | AimHere | invariamt > I find a mixture of "apt-cache search <stuff>" and grep useful for this sort of thing |
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| 19:20.07 | invariant | AimHere, I thought the quick filter would also find things with substrings. |
| 19:20.27 | invariant | AimHere, that was just wrong. |
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| 19:22.32 | ikkuplio | aaargh, update-initrramfs (or something like that): i messed up my mdadm.conf! syntax error, ignoring the definition |
| 19:22.41 | ikkuplio | is there a way i can redo that process? |
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| 19:24.24 | Nirgal | ikkuplio: I use dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools, but there probably is a more elegant way :) |
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| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | Hello |
| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | Um |
| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | I used dd to get the 4th beta of wheezy onto my usb stick |
| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | But when I boot from it, and it searches for the cd |
| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | it doesn't find it, since there are none |
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| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | Anyone got any ideas on how to get this sorted out? |
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| 19:28.49 | Nirgal | theredmoodie: not sure about wheezy, but previous versions required an iso to be copied on the stick after the dd ... |
| 19:28.49 | ChmEarl | theredmoodie, you copied the install CD to USB ? |
| 19:28.49 | theredmoodie | Yes |
| 19:28.50 | theredmoodie | I read around on the site and I found some obscure instructions |
| 19:28.58 | theredmoodie | This worked perfectly fine with sqeeze |
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| 19:35.11 | Arrowmaster | theredmoodie: you used dd to copy the iso to the flash drive? |
| 19:35.44 | Arrowmaster | ive made about a dozen flash drives of the installer in the past 2 days |
| 19:35.45 | theredmoodie | Yes |
| 19:35.50 | theredmoodie | Me to. |
| 19:35.57 | theredmoodie | And the squeese once always works |
| 19:36.08 | theredmoodie | But apprently wheezly won't :o |
| 19:36.38 | Arrowmaster | switch to vt4 and see if theres any details there |
| 19:36.48 | theredmoodie | vt? |
| 19:36.56 | theredmoodie | Virtual terminal? |
| 19:36.57 | theredmoodie | Or? |
| 19:36.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 19:37.03 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-f4 |
| 19:37.16 | theredmoodie | Yeah, but this is not my live system.... |
| 19:37.24 | theredmoodie | Could I install it to an usb? |
| 19:37.33 | Arrowmaster | in the installer i mean |
| 19:37.45 | theredmoodie | okey let me take it up in virtualbox then |
| 19:37.46 | Arrowmaster | the installer writes debug info to vt4 |
| 19:37.52 | theredmoodie | okey :D |
| 19:37.57 | theredmoodie | It tells me it doesn't find cd |
| 19:38.07 | theredmoodie | And thats a given since there is no cd in an usb install |
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| 19:38.38 | Arrowmaster | have you tried this not in virtualbox? maybe its an issue with the usb in virtualbox |
| 19:38.46 | theredmoodie | Yeah, |
| 19:38.46 | frikinz | what is the name of the new "tool" to get list of packages not coming from current sources.list? |
| 19:38.52 | frikinz | new for me at least |
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| 19:38.57 | theredmoodie | I have to turn this machine off |
| 19:39.01 | theredmoodie | and go back to the installer |
| 19:39.07 | theredmoodie | And I don't want to do that 5 times. |
| 19:39.09 | theredmoodie | More |
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| 19:39.45 | theredmoodie | My original problem is that debian can't sort my sound out. |
| 19:39.53 | Arrowmaster | you did `dd if=path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX` right? and not sdX1? |
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| 19:39.57 | theredmoodie | I think that wheezly might be able to |
| 19:40.00 | theredmoodie | Yeah |
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| 19:40.08 | theredmoodie | okey listen. |
| 19:40.16 | theredmoodie | The usb starts totally fine |
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| 19:40.25 | theredmoodie | I can choose language, region, etc |
| 19:40.37 | theredmoodie | The problem is that when it wants to load out the great stuff that is on the usb |
| 19:40.40 | theredmoodie | it looks for the cdrom |
| 19:40.49 | theredmoodie | Thats as far as I have understood it |
| 19:41.19 | Arrowmaster | ok i got nothing then |
| 19:41.28 | mtn | theredmoodie, if you are doing this in virtualbox, why not just boot the iso from the hard drive? |
| 19:41.47 | theredmoodie | I am not doing this in virtual box |
| 19:41.52 | theredmoodie | But I have only one pc at the moment |
| 19:42.05 | theredmoodie | So going into the installer is going to require me to turn this machine off. |
| 19:42.14 | mtn | theredmoodie, sorry, misunderstood |
| 19:42.17 | theredmoodie | But I will just have to do it an old fashined way |
| 19:42.19 | theredmoodie | Ohh! |
| 19:42.24 | theredmoodie | Nonno, I am very bad at english |
| 19:42.36 | Arrowmaster | exactly which iso did you use? |
| 19:42.36 | theredmoodie | I explain things in such a bad way X3 |
| 19:43.01 | theredmoodie | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:43.34 | Arrowmaster | i used that one yesterday and it worked fine for me so i guess its not the iso |
| 19:44.55 | theredmoodie | :o |
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| 19:45.05 | theredmoodie | But did you use it on a usb |
| 19:45.08 | theredmoodie | Or a cd? |
| 19:45.11 | ikkuplio | how can i get my md-volumes bein visible at boot time? |
| 19:45.11 | ikkuplio | [20:44] ->> Socket Error: 10053 : Connection is aborted due to timeout or other f |
| 19:45.16 | ikkuplio | sorry |
| 19:45.38 | Arrowmaster | on usb |
| 19:45.50 | theredmoodie | okey |
| 19:45.54 | theredmoodie | I will try to replicate this |
| 19:46.01 | Arrowmaster | ive got the dvd.iso on a 4gb usb right now installing on my new laptop |
| 19:46.12 | theredmoodie | Downloading the iso |
| 19:46.13 | theredmoodie | Now |
| 19:46.14 | theredmoodie | So |
| 19:46.21 | roothorick | I originally set up three drives in RAID5 as my root (/) partition... but. mdadm --detail is showing it to be a "raid0"... with three drives. The capacity is in line for RAID5 (3x 1TB drives, it's ~2TB). Am I in trouble? |
| 19:46.25 | theredmoodie | I do that, what should the usb be formatted as? |
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| 19:46.40 | Arrowmaster | nothing |
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| 19:46.59 | Arrowmaster | you overwrite all the formating on the usb drive when you dd the iso to it |
| 19:47.06 | theredmoodie | Oh |
| 19:47.06 | zykotick9 | roothorick: you need to take the parity into account |
| 19:47.07 | theredmoodie | okey :) |
| 19:47.15 | theredmoodie | now |
| 19:47.17 | theredmoodie | I do |
| 19:47.26 | roothorick | zykotick9: parity schmarity. Why does mdadm think it's a raid0? |
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| 19:47.33 | theredmoodie | dd if=iso.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 19:47.44 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:47.48 | zykotick9 | roothorick: i'm guessing that is your first raid, not raid 0 |
| 19:48.01 | roothorick | .... oh damnit, I just figured it out |
| 19:48.17 | roothorick | . /dev/md2, NOT 1, is my root partition |
| 19:48.17 | theredmoodie | It has started |
| 19:48.24 | roothorick | md1 is my dumb swap experiment |
| 19:48.27 | roothorick | I should fix that quick |
| 19:48.31 | theredmoodie | Arrowmaster: Thanks so much for the support so far! |
| 19:48.31 | theredmoodie | :D |
| 19:48.41 | roothorick | and md2 is showing up correctly as raid5 |
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| 19:49.19 | theredmoodie | 232194048 bytes (232 MB) copied, 49.8259 s, 4.7 MB/s |
| 19:49.22 | theredmoodie | There |
| 19:49.31 | theredmoodie | Thats the last line of output |
| 19:49.32 | theredmoodie | :) |
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| 19:49.43 | theredmoodie | the other two roothorick are the in and out messages |
| 19:49.59 | roothorick | wrong person ;) |
| 19:50.03 | theredmoodie | the other two are the in and out messages* |
| 19:50.05 | theredmoodie | no |
| 19:50.10 | theredmoodie | It just auto completed for me |
| 19:50.18 | mtn | gotta love that enter key, huh? |
| 19:50.21 | theredmoodie | Stupid habbit of pressing tab X3 |
| 19:50.37 | roothorick | quick question about MD devices. If I have md0, md1, md2, and I delete md1 and reformat over it, will md2 still be md2 in the event of a reboot? |
| 19:50.41 | theredmoodie | Yeah. I do that a lot :/ Sorry. I will try to write more on one line. |
| 19:50.42 | Lachezar | Hey all... How does dpkg keep track of configuration files? Does it simply check if there are differencies between the current and packaged versions, or does it remember what the last installet configuration was and upgrade it if it has not changed? |
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| 19:51.18 | theredmoodie | Arrowmaster: Do I take the usb out now then and reboot? |
| 19:51.37 | Arrowmaster | why would you take it out and reboot? |
| 19:51.49 | Arrowmaster | it wouldnt do anything if its out |
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| 19:52.24 | Arrowmaster | but yes either try in virtualbox again or reboot and test it |
| 19:52.25 | theredmoodie | okey :) |
| 19:52.36 | theredmoodie | I will reboot then |
| 19:52.47 | theredmoodie | It was vt4 that contained the debugg messages? |
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| 20:02.08 | cdunklau | is there a way to get a 32-bit java environment running on wheezy 64-bit? |
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| 20:03.45 | cdunklau | I've tried using the oracle 32-bit JRE with java-package: DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i486-linux-gnu DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 make-jpkg |
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| 20:08.17 | paws | I have this line in crontab: */1 * * * * /home/pi/read.sh >> /home/pi/read.log |
| 20:08.20 | Lachezar | cdunklau: You also have to install ia32 libs |
| 20:08.23 | paws | but i dont see anything happening... |
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| 20:09.19 | Lachezar | cdunklau: I am with Xubuntu, but I suspect ia32 libs are part of the base Debian package set. |
| 20:09.35 | mocra | paws, what says /var/log/syslog |
| 20:09.38 | cdunklau | Lachezar: hmm... gives me depsolving issues: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
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| 20:09.55 | AimHere | I'd recommend going with multiarch instead |
| 20:10.05 | AimHere | It seems to be a bit tidied |
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| 20:10.08 | AimHere | *tidier |
| 20:10.08 | Lachezar | cdunklau: Yes, try ia32-libs-multiarch instead |
| 20:10.41 | Lachezar | scratches his head... He has ia32-libs and ia32-libs-multiarch installed... |
| 20:10.51 | cdunklau | i'm only seeing ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 20:11.39 | somiaj | on squeeze that is all you will have |
| 20:11.48 | cdunklau | but i'm on wheezy... |
| 20:11.53 | somiaj | you won't have full multiarch support (and it is still in its infantasy) on wheezy |
| 20:12.03 | cdunklau | damn |
| 20:12.08 | somiaj | have you enabled multiarch support? |
| 20:12.16 | cdunklau | somiaj: i'm guessing no |
| 20:12.39 | somiaj | cdunklau: two commands, dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 20:12.42 | somiaj | and then apt-get update |
| 20:13.10 | cdunklau | ah HAH |
| 20:13.14 | cdunklau | thanks, will try that |
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| 20:17.24 | Lachezar | finally found the conf files checksums... |
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| 20:21.33 | Kre10s_ | hmm.. So I downloaded a debian iso and did a sudo cat isofile.iso > /dev/sdb1 where sdb1 is a usbstick. booting from the usbkey i get an erroro isolinux image not found or corrupt... could i have missmatched the arch of did i do something wrong? |
| 20:21.49 | somiaj | Kre10s_: your command wont' work |
| 20:22.02 | somiaj | Kre10s_: try sudo sh -c 'cat isofile.iso > /dev/sdb' |
| 20:22.13 | somiaj | you also won't to put it on the full drive (so it gets the mbr) not just the first partition |
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| 20:22.52 | Kre10s_ | ah. |
| 20:23.02 | somiaj | Kre10s_: not unless you tell us what iso image you were using I can't be of much more help. but all debian iso's from squeeze onward are hybrid for the cdroms/netinstall |
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| 20:24.14 | Kre10s_ | I'm using the firmware-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:24.45 | somiaj | I think your main issue was you put it on /dev/sdb1 ont /dev/sdb |
| 20:25.10 | somiaj | the sudo command was just in general sudo foo > bar (the redirect happens as the user running sudo not as root so you may not have write primisions to bar) |
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| 20:26.58 | JordiGH | Can I make new group permissions work on my current X session without restarting X? |
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| 20:27.45 | tvsutton | I'm trying to debug a failing preseed late_command.. is there an option or command I can hit to show the output results of the command? |
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| 20:27.54 | JordiGH | tries "ssh localhost -X", fine workaround. |
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| 20:28.22 | Kre10s_ | somiaj, yup. I think originally i had opened a session as root (sudo -i) to do it, but put the iso on /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sdb |
| 20:28.49 | somiaj | Kre10s_: yea hopefully you saw the nice trick I gave you for redirecting thigns as root with sudo...just run a script from inside the shell (sh) |
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| 20:29.36 | somiaj | JordiGH: you can run a login from inside a terminal. But until you do that you can't change the groups you are in for the whole xsession |
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| 20:29.51 | somiaj | JordiGH: so open at erminal 'su - username' and you can for that shell have your new groups |
| 20:30.35 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yeah, I did that. |
| 20:30.37 | JordiGH | Sort of... |
| 20:30.39 | Kre10s_ | somiaj, i noticed errors wont make it back to me thought. I had to unmount before running the command. |
| 20:30.51 | somiaj | JordiGH: well the ssh runs a login for ya. (: |
| 20:31.14 | somiaj | Kre10s_: it will wipe the data on the drive, so yea don't be mounting it or excpet to recover anything fromt he drive |
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| 20:55.44 | b0rsuk | Hi, I wanted to try a game which requires glibc2.14 . Debian, even Unstable, uses 2.13 . Is there any dirty workaround I can use ? |
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| 20:57.19 | somiaj | b0rsuk: /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 20:58.22 | b0rsuk | somiaj: Is that potentially dangerous to my other packages and dependencies ? |
| 20:58.31 | somiaj | b0rsuk: it appears that 2.16 is in experimential if you want to try those packages. |
| 20:58.36 | Arrowmaster | b0rsuk: check experimental |
| 20:59.21 | somiaj | b0rsuk: you would compile your own packages, and then use dpkg to install them. Most things are a >= thing, so it should work...but I have never cared to mess with the glibc level in that. You could try experiemential. |
| 21:01.33 | Armand | I got it guys. :) |
| 21:01.50 | Armand | Reformatted as normal NTFS. |
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| 21:03.22 | b0rsuk | Umm... |
| 21:03.56 | b0rsuk | I'm at confirmation prompt for installing libc6 from experimental. It wants to remove locales. |
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| 21:04.42 | somiaj | b0rsuk: wellcome to experimental. But any way I see it upgrading libc6 could have side effects. (: |
| 21:04.50 | somiaj | are they any locales you use? |
| 21:05.45 | lroe | Does anyone know where I can find licensing information on the artwork for the debian versions of the mozilla suite? |
| 21:06.20 | somiaj | lroe: have you check /usr/share/doc/iceweasel (or any of the mozilla packages)? |
| 21:06.49 | b0rsuk | somiaj: I'm not sure how to answer this one. When I type 'locale' I get an output with a bunch of lines ending en_GB.UTF-8 . |
| 21:07.27 | somiaj | lroe: /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/copyright -- I'd start there. and then check the source package |
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| 21:08.12 | somiaj | b0rsuk: if it doesn't remove that one you are fine. You can also reinstall locales if needed. you might just need the locales package from experiemental as well |
| 21:08.36 | meowsalad | i need some help |
| 21:08.53 | meowsalad | it is possible to route a port over a gateway? |
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| 21:10.15 | meowsalad | e.g program xy has port 10000 and the default gw is 1.2.3.4, but i want to route it over a non default gw e.g 4.3.2.1 |
| 21:12.03 | b0rsuk | Just to be sure, how do install a normal version back again ? I'd like to know that in advance. Would removing the experimental from sources.list and apt-get update... upgrade be enough ? |
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| 21:15.42 | Arrowmaster | b0rsuk: i can speak from experience here, DO NOT TRY TO DOWNGRADE libc6 |
| 21:15.55 | Arrowmaster | i was left with no libc6 installed |
| 21:16.05 | b0rsuk | Hmm. |
| 21:16.34 | Arrowmaster | luckly i managed to fix it without even having to use a livecd |
| 21:16.59 | b0rsuk | Arrowmaster: was it more complicated that sudo apt-get install libc6 ? |
| 21:17.16 | Arrowmaster | yes because apt-get and aptitude wouldnt run because there was no libc6 installed |
| 21:17.31 | b0rsuk | Umm, it wants me to stop kdm now. |
| 21:18.00 | b0rsuk | Too late I guess. |
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| 21:18.37 | b0rsuk | Especially that I'm running the upgrade process in konsole. |
| 21:20.23 | Kre10s_ | during installation when I select graphical desktop environment... does that mean i get gnome or kde or ... or ...? |
| 21:20.43 | b0rsuk | Now it wants to uninstall 415MB of packages. |
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| 21:22.42 | b0rsuk | I think I'll pass. |
| 21:23.13 | Arrowmaster | Kre10s_: it means gnome unless you are using a kde/xfce/lxde install media, or you went to the advanced options on the boot menu and selected from there |
| 21:23.49 | b0rsuk | Arrowmaster: according to dpkg -l, I still have libc6 v 2.13-37 installed BUT libc6-dev is from experimental. Is it safe to uninstall dev versions ? |
| 21:23.57 | b0rsuk | I would assume so. |
| 21:23.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:24.24 | b0rsuk | It's not worth risking life for a game. |
| 21:24.43 | Cpuroast | somiaj: so I pulled the unstable repos, and apt-get purged and then apt-get installed the offending packages |
| 21:25.04 | Cpuroast | managed to get rid of all but 1 package |
| 21:25.10 | Gaeru | Out of curiosity, what game was it, b0rsuk? |
| 21:25.26 | Cpuroast | somiaj: tzdata/unknown uptodate 2012g-1 |
| 21:25.31 | Cpuroast | is the last one |
| 21:25.37 | Cpuroast | however when I try to purge that |
| 21:25.46 | Cpuroast | it wants to pull tons of critical stuff |
| 21:25.55 | somiaj | you don't want to purge it, wonder what the issue is |
| 21:25.57 | somiaj | ,v tzdata |
| 21:25.58 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- lenny: 2011k-0lenny1; lenny-volatile: 2011n-0lenny1; squeeze-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; squeeze: 2012c-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2012g-0squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 2012g-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2012g-1; sid: 2012j-1 |
| 21:26.35 | somiaj | Cpuroast: either isntall the version from squeeze or squeeze-updates |
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| 21:28.10 | b0rsuk | Gaeru: Teleglitch. |
| 21:28.47 | b0rsuk | Gaeru: It's a sci-fi mix of survival, roguelike, shooter (DooM) and more. http://teleglitch.com/index.php?page=about |
| 21:28.54 | b0rsuk | Made by 3 guys from Estonia. |
| 21:29.02 | Gaeru | Thanks, b0rsuk (btw I love roguelikes). |
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| 21:30.08 | b0rsuk | Graphics look quite bad at first (except for excellent line of sight like in Nox). But once you pull the trigger, the game starts to sing. |
| 21:30.41 | sinapsi | hi |
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| 21:31.09 | Gaeru | I don't care much about graphics anyway. In fact, the bulk of my gaming is made of interactive fiction. |
| 21:31.15 | sinapsi | my notebook shutdown but the (brand new) battery was at 50% |
| 21:31.20 | Gaeru | It looks pretty nice, b0rsuk. :) |
| 21:31.23 | b0rsuk | How can I "cancel an upgrade" ? apt-get tells me stuff like libc6 : Breaks: libc6:i386 (!= 2.13-37) but 2.16-0experimental1 is to be installed |
| 21:31.26 | Cpuroast | somiaj: odd apt-get install --force-reinstall true tzdata |
| 21:31.38 | Cpuroast | Reinstallation of tzdata is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 21:32.10 | somiaj | b0rsuk: if it tells you stuff like that it should abort and you be just fine |
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| 21:32.41 | somiaj | Cpuroast: download the deb manually...I'm not sure why it isn't getting it. |
| 21:32.49 | b0rsuk | somiaj: I have libc6-dev from experimental already, everything else is from testing. |
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| 21:34.50 | b0rsuk | somiaj: This is my situation, installed packages and attempts to install locales back (note I have a 64bit system) http://bpaste.net/show/7LzN2ABW93h7vItgha9D/ |
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| 21:37.34 | somiaj | b0rsuk: I would first try to revert back at this point. (you should have the debs for all the old wheezy/sid packages in /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 21:39.45 | Armand | I accidently installed both 195 & 173 Nvidia driver sets... Is it safe to remove all the 195 stuff? I'm reasonably sure the 173 is being used. |
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| 21:40.15 | woshty | arent there some issues with ia32libs in wheezy atm? |
| 21:40.18 | Armand | Sorry, using Debian 6.0.6. :) |
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| 21:44.52 | b0rsuk | somiaj: I did that, but I still have 2 lines like this: iU libc6:i386 2.16-0experimental1 i386 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:45.07 | b0rsuk | I'm not sure what the iU means (from apt-get) |
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| 21:45.56 | engla | woshty: what's the issue? ia32-libs from sid just entered testing though |
| 21:45.57 | somiaj | b0rsuk: installed but unconfigured, I would dpkg and manually downgrade/install the privisous versions you had |
| 21:46.24 | somiaj | woshty: sounds like you haven't switched to multiarch support which is now required |
| 21:46.38 | somiaj | woshty: ia32libs is just a transitional thing now and until you enable multiarch support you can't install it |
| 21:46.41 | b0rsuk | somiaj: I did that from the cache dir. There were messages about downgrading. |
| 21:47.15 | somiaj | b0rsuk: read them and try to understand them. You may have to dpkg -i package1 package2 pakage3 all at once to get the downgrade to work |
| 21:47.16 | woshty | somiaj: i thought i did .. what to do? |
| 21:47.22 | Arrowmaster | the installer really needs a percentage on the progress bar for erasing a drive before setting up an encrypted partition, im currently measuring it with a ruler to see how far it is |
| 21:47.34 | b0rsuk | Hmm, no, wait. |
| 21:47.36 | somiaj | woshty: you did dpkg --add-architcture i386 and apt-get update? |
| 21:47.50 | somiaj | Arrowmaster: a long time, (: |
| 21:48.15 | woshty | somiaj: definately not .. there came some message and i said yes during updates some time ago |
| 21:48.28 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: 3 hours and its only 1.25 inches done |
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| 21:49.14 | somiaj | woshty: then you haven't enabled multiarch support. once you do that the ia32 transitional packages should install all the assoicated multiarch libs for you. |
| 21:49.19 | Cpuroast | somiaj: apt-show-versions | grep tzdata |
| 21:49.20 | Cpuroast | tzdata/squeeze uptodate 2012g-0squeeze1 |
| 21:49.23 | Cpuroast | back to normal |
| 21:49.24 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 21:49.31 | woshty | somiaj: ah, thank you very much |
| 21:49.36 | somiaj | Cpuroast: now if you still want vsftpd from sid, /msg dpkg ssbp and build yoruself a backport. (: |
| 21:49.42 | b0rsuk | I'm making progress. One package left. |
| 21:49.43 | woshty | somiaj: i was so missing acroread ;) |
| 21:50.50 | Cpuroast | somiaj: I'll find out if sid's vsftpd actually does what I want it to do first |
| 21:50.52 | Cpuroast | if it doesn't |
| 21:50.55 | Cpuroast | no point |
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| 21:51.55 | Cpuroast | somiaj: the sid invasion was pretty minimal, thank god |
| 21:51.56 | Cpuroast | :) |
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| 21:53.47 | somiaj | Cpuroast: yea and it is one of those thigns that can work just fine for years and then all the suddon break everything at once...(: |
| 21:54.10 | somiaj | Cpuroast: and the issue is never the package you want to install, always the libs it depends on. |
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| 21:54.56 | Kre10s_ | Arrowmaster, measure in centimeters it'll go faster :P |
| 21:55.15 | Arrowmaster | my tape measure only has inches |
| 21:55.24 | Kre10s_ | throw it away. |
| 21:55.33 | Arrowmaster | but its my good tape measure |
| 21:55.49 | sawjig | Arrowmaster, why do you need something for measuring tape? |
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| 21:56.26 | Arrowmaster | my even better tape measure is out in the garage but its a bit overkill for this |
| 21:56.39 | Arrowmaster | its something like 300 meters long |
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| 21:59.14 | schreber | did they change the address for security updates? security.debian.org sid/updates doesn't seem to be working atm |
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| 21:59.56 | nitrohax | who like irssi |
| 22:00.08 | somiaj | schreber: sid does not recive security updates |
| 22:00.17 | nitrohax | have a good day |
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| 22:00.25 | somiaj | schreber: except via normal packages being upgraded (but not from s.d.o) |
| 22:00.28 | Kre10s_ | Arrowmaster, if your tape measure was any good it would read standard units of measure. and by standard i don't mean in only two countries. |
| 22:00.46 | schreber | okay |
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| 22:04.36 | b0rsuk | somiaj: the one package left is: iU libc6:i386 2.16-0experimental1 i386 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:04.59 | b0rsuk | I try to do: b0rsuk@Machaka:/var/cache/apt/archives$ sudo dpkg -i libc6-i686_2.13-37_i386.deb |
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| 22:06.30 | blink | Please help on mirrors for sid/main |
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| 22:08.49 | ompaul | blink: use heanet.ie fast from anywhere in the world (once you can find them with dns) |
| 22:09.07 | Cpuroast | b0rsuk: that should work, I just reverted a sid package down to squeeze |
| 22:09.11 | ompaul | on multi gig redundant links |
| 22:09.27 | jhutchins_wk | blink: ? |
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| 22:09.59 | b0rsuk | somiaj: I need help downgrading one last package: http://bpaste.net/show/AWVddsXtP7EjLIfEvjxh/ |
| 22:11.04 | blink | jhutchins_wk: On live-build linux-image not dowmloaded. |
| 22:11.21 | b0rsuk | Cpuroast: I get an error I don't understand. Can you check the bpaste link ? |
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| 22:14.28 | Cpuroast | b0rsuk: tried dpkg -i --force-overwrite ? |
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| 22:17.28 | b0rsuk | Cpuroast: I think it did it... unless my machine won't boot next time. |
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| 22:17.35 | Cpuroast | hehe :) |
| 22:17.41 | Cpuroast | easy to find out :) |
| 22:18.04 | b0rsuk | locales is installing. |
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| 22:21.15 | b0rsuk | The game will have to wait another 3 years until Debian upgrades libc6 :-). |
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| 22:21.46 | Cpuroast | debian wheeze |
| 22:21.50 | Cpuroast | wheezy I supposed |
| 22:21.53 | Cpuroast | suppose |
| 22:21.56 | Cpuroast | which should be in 2013 |
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| 22:25.36 | drhouse123 | hi! aptitude unmarkauto '~meta' will do that i want ? |
| 22:27.28 | b0rsuk | Thanks for help, guys. |
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| 22:30.54 | ikkuplio | i keep getting "md: Scanned 0 and added 0 devices." |
| 22:31.14 | ikkuplio | any idea why md is not auto detecting thedrives? |
| 22:31.25 | ikkuplio | ive recompiled the kernel 3 times now |
| 22:33.17 | ikkuplio | the live cd finds these drives without problems |
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| 22:33.44 | ikkuplio | only booting from this machine doesnt help. |
| 22:34.02 | ikkuplio | i have started from the debian cd the rescue mode |
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| 22:40.12 | Armand | Would a real old, low-spec PC (P3?) be acceptable for an IRC bouncer using Debian? |
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| 22:42.39 | AimHere | It should do, but you'd likely want to make sure you weren't installing huge big desktop environments like gnome or kde by default, when you install it |
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| 22:44.26 | streuner_ | Armand: we dont support bouncer here, and throw that piece of hardware into trash |
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| 22:44.56 | Armand | AimHere, No.. only minimal install. It only needs to serve a bouncer. |
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| 22:45.47 | Armand | Maybe just a 40GB drive, if I set it to clean out the logs occasionally. |
| 22:46.47 | streuner_ | Armand: anyway, that hardware isnt able to use a modern kernel nowadays |
| 22:46.53 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: 40G is all you need for a networked workstation. |
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| 22:47.30 | jhutchins_wk | If you're just running a server in text mode that should be able to handle a bunch of channels. |
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| 22:47.35 | Armand | streuner_, doesn't 6.0.6 have the 486 kernel ? |
| 22:47.47 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: You just don't want to try logging with it <grin>. |
| 22:47.50 | gnarface | Armand: just don't install any GUI and you're probably fine. it will be easy to DOS it but otherwise it should have plenty of horsepower for personal use. |
| 22:47.54 | streuner_ | Armand: sure, how many RAM do you have? |
| 22:47.55 | babilen | Armand: Packages are compiled for 586 |
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| 22:48.29 | Armand | babilen, that should still be ok on a P3 though.. ? |
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| 22:48.43 | Armand | streuner_, probably 512MB |
| 22:48.52 | streuner_ | forget it then |
| 22:48.56 | Armand | I could change the machine if I need more. |
| 22:49.06 | Armand | I was looking at a laptop I have here. |
| 22:49.07 | babilen | Armand: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609690 -- And I didn't say that a P3 is problematic, just wanted to get the facts straight :) |
| 22:49.32 | FernandoBasso1 | I have two samba shares, exactly same config, except that one points to /home/webdev/php and the other one to /home/webdev/ror. I can access the php one, but not the ror one. Any ideas? |
| 22:50.21 | Armand | babilen, Ohhh.. I get you. :) |
| 22:50.50 | Armand | I R no braining tonight. -_- |
| 22:51.14 | Armand | streuner_, what would you recommend for RAM ? |
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| 22:51.24 | Armand | *capacity. |
| 22:51.50 | streuner_ | Armand: well, enough RAM is always good... |
| 22:52.41 | streuner_ | Armand: you surely get some machine second hand, with better RAM/performances for a few bucks... |
| 22:52.55 | Armand | Don't have a few bucks. :( |
| 22:53.08 | Armand | I got old machines gathering dust. :P |
| 22:53.33 | streuner_ | Armand: well, i have to ask, why you need a bouncher at all? ;-) |
| 22:54.21 | Armand | I don't really like leaving my laptop on 24/7, and I don't have any logging enabled on this machine. |
| 22:54.29 | gnarface | Armand: minimum 64MB ram |
| 22:54.51 | Armand | 64MB is nothing.. |
| 22:55.04 | Armand | I've got stacks of 128s O.o |
| 22:55.11 | gnarface | so you' |
| 22:55.13 | gnarface | 're fine |
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| 22:55.39 | Armand | Let's say.. P3-850, 512MB, 20GB HDD ? |
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| 22:56.24 | gnarface | Armand: just keep in mind that if you live in the US the cost of the electricity for this thing for the first 2 months will be sufficient to replace it with something over 2 orders of magnitude faster that only costs about 0.1% of the electricity to run for the same amount of time |
| 22:56.48 | Armand | I have no bills. ;) |
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| 22:56.58 | gnarface | if someone else pays your electricity go to town son :) |
| 22:57.15 | Armand | And, I am quite aware of consumption.. that's never really a concern. |
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| 22:57.55 | gnarface | on the plus side these systems often survive a cpu fan outage |
| 22:58.10 | gnarface | most modern ones fry in moments if the bios auto-shutdown didn't work |
| 22:58.31 | Armand | Another reason I was looking at the laptop. :D |
| 22:58.51 | Armand | Battery.. low battery shutdown. |
| 22:59.08 | FernandoBasso | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=89443 <-- If someone can take a look... |
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| 23:00.39 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: samba question? just ask in samba channel here on freenode |
| 23:00.59 | gnarface | FernandoBasso: i can't really help you but i'll give you a hint; last time i gave a shit about samba and it was giving me trouble i discovered at length that the part the documentation didn't mention was that the UNIX FILESYSTEM PERMISSIONS and local console password auth *also* had to work for that samba user... not sure if that's still the case but the problem you're having sounds similar. also, fyi there are about a billion b |
| 23:00.59 | gnarface | etter options than samba that are easier to configure. |
| 23:01.38 | streuner_ | !samba |
| 23:01.38 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 23:02.03 | gnarface | abrotman: aren't you gonna tell him about selftell? |
| 23:02.06 | FernandoBasso | streuner_: That channel is dead... No one answers anything. |
| 23:02.10 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 23:02.19 | streuner_ | #samba 131 Got questions? See http://www.samba.org/samba/irc.html READ IT! This is the place to ask all questions about samba. (#samba-technical is ONLY for development questions.) Are you still using the Samba 2.x or 3.0 series? Why? Upgrade to at least 3.5, which has been out since March 2010. | Unable to speak? Register your nick with nickserv. |
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| 23:02.34 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: 131 users, just have some patient |
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| 23:04.47 | FernandoBasso | I had a two-hour patience already :D |
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| 23:06.17 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: most of us have no idea about samba at all, so i would ask in #samba... |
| 23:07.02 | FernandoBasso | streuner_: I did. |
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| 23:11.37 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: if you dont get help on #samba, just check out ML http://lists.samba.org/ |
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| 23:13.13 | FernandoBasso | streuner_: Yeah, I was taking a look at it. I am actually already registered to that list. |
| 23:13.25 | FernandoBasso | Thanks for helping me out. |
| 23:13.26 | iio7 | Is it possible to some how have Debian boot from HD and then into RAM and during the entire session the OS is only run from RAM? Upon logout logs etc. are copied to HD. I want a really quick system. |
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| 23:16.55 | blink | iio7: Boot using boot=live from squashfs.filesystem as live-media-path. Use grub to boot. |
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| 23:18.14 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: no worries, maybe most of the people in #samba are europeans, and they sleeping, i would just ask there... |
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| 23:19.34 | streuner_ | FernandoBasso: 131 users just sounds too promising... |
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| 23:27.15 | meowsalad | is there a openbsd based debian distro out? |
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| 23:28.28 | gnarface | meowsalad: your question is fundamentally nonsensical, however you are probably looking for debian-kbsd |
| 23:29.37 | gnarface | meowsalad: the bot, dpkg, should have just told you how to get info about it |
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| 23:30.01 | gnarface | meowsalad: (its the freebsd kernel on top of debian, i believe) |
| 23:30.40 | frikinz | Is there a command to rebuild a package AND all its dependencies? |
| 23:30.54 | gnarface | probably .... |
| 23:31.02 | frikinz | yes :) |
| 23:31.16 | streuner_ | frikinz: what kind of package is that? |
| 23:31.21 | themill | not unless you script it yourself. (what are you really trying to do?) |
| 23:31.56 | frikinz | its called "foobar" . I want to build it for a new architecture |
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| 23:32.13 | streuner_ | frikinz: foobar isnt in Debian... |
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| 23:32.23 | frikinz | exact |
| 23:32.30 | frikinz | its in my repository |
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| 23:32.49 | streuner_ | so tell us what kind of package you want to compile |
| 23:33.06 | themill | automated bootstrapping isn't possible; you get to do it by hand. |
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| 23:33.53 | streuner_ | frikinz: you need to give us more details, otherwise we arent able to help.... |
| 23:33.59 | frikinz | bootstrapping? is this building and all dependencies or are you talking about cross architecture package building? |
| 23:34.17 | themill | frikinz: you tell us... |
| 23:34.18 | frikinz | english is not my native language |
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| 23:34.46 | streuner_ | frikinz: you talking ok to me, just give us more details |
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| 23:35.11 | frikinz | its a package of mine with 20 dependencies... |
| 23:35.41 | frikinz | I used to rebuild all by hand but thought there was a way to rebuild the whole |
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| 23:36.34 | streuner_ | frikinz: sorry, i dont still get, what are trying to do... |
| 23:36.57 | streuner_ | frikinz: you* |
| 23:37.05 | frikinz | what don't you understand in what I said? I want to build a software for a specific architecture |
| 23:37.27 | frikinz | and I have all the cross compilation setup already |
| 23:37.39 | streuner_ | frikinz: does it has a name? why it isnt in Debian? |
| 23:38.30 | gnarface | streuner_: its his own C program. didn't you figure that out when he said it was named foobar? |
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| 23:38.50 | streuner_ | gnarface: no |
| 23:39.16 | gnarface | streuner_: fyi "foobar" is old pre-non-military coding jargon that effectively means "placeholder for an as-yet-to-be-named new project or test program" |
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| 23:40.11 | gnarface | streuner_: that also explains why its not in debian. it doesn't answer the question of whether you should be helping him or not though. that's up to you. |
| 23:40.13 | streuner_ | gnarface: great, that sounds like fun.., |
| 23:40.57 | gnarface | streuner_: personally, i think he needs to be getting help from the embdebian crowd, but as i've so far failed to solicit their help for the last 3 years for my OWN cross-compiling projects, i didn't bother to mention that. |
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| 23:42.38 | frikinz | ok. anyway such automated task might be a bit complex as something WILL fail :) |
| 23:42.44 | gnarface | streuner_: the closest thing i got to help was one of them telling me "cross compiling is a difficult task that takes years to master and is beyond your grasp." thereby ensuring that his statement was self-fulfilling by saying that instead of the 2-word answer to my question. |
| 23:44.17 | frikinz | it took me 2h to setup the cross comp environment with scratchbox. I have to say I downloaded an already made gcc toolchain for the target. now I have transparent compilation with possibilities of running host program (like apt-get build-dep) and target things. |
| 23:44.18 | gnarface | suspects these people actually are scrambling for a first-out-of-the-gate business plan in a very REAL and prosecutable US anti-trust laws sense, but unfortunately can't prove it and can't convince them of the obviousness that they need me to succeed either. |
| 23:44.41 | Armand | I'm trying to remove libglx-nvidia-alternatives, but it wants to remove nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx too. :( |
| 23:44.51 | Armand | I'm using the 173. |
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| 23:45.44 | Innocentus | hi |
| 23:46.22 | gnarface | Armand: this is that p3 system right? on a system that old you're likely to have better luck with the nouveau drivers. you' weren't gonna do any 3d or even 2d with this right? |
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| 23:46.43 | Armand | gnarface: No, it's another unit. |
| 23:46.52 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:46.59 | gnarface | well likely the nvidia drivers think they need that package |
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| 23:47.03 | Armand | I installed the 195 stuff by mistake. |
| 23:47.24 | Armand | libglx is one of the 195 packages. |
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| 23:47.42 | gnarface | remove them all then just install the one you want |
| 23:47.58 | Armand | So, dump the 173xx and reinstall it? |
| 23:48.19 | gnarface | dump the 173 and every other version you installed in error |
| 23:48.23 | gnarface | then reinstall 173 |
| 23:48.27 | gnarface | you're doing this all from the text console right? |
| 23:48.28 | Armand | Didn't really want to do that, as it was a pain to work in the first place. |
| 23:48.31 | gnarface | not in X |
| 23:48.40 | Armand | I can do it from cli. |
| 23:49.02 | Armand | Ok.. I'll give it a go. brb. :P |
| 23:49.07 | gnarface | never try to change video drivers within a running X instance. you will find that pointlessly painful |
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| 23:49.35 | gr8 | sorry does someone know what http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian#import is for? |
| 23:50.06 | streuner_ | gnarface: sounds like a PITA, if he want to do that :-P |
| 23:50.35 | gnarface | streuner_: dealing with nvidia's proprietary drivers in linux is always a PITA |
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| 23:50.52 | gnarface | streuner_: note i did try to save him from it by suggesting nouveau instead |
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| 23:51.38 | streuner_ | gnarface: iam talking about, making a NEW prgram, without knowing WHICH depends a program has... |
| 23:52.01 | gnarface | oh that |
| 23:52.05 | gnarface | yea well |
| 23:52.08 | gnarface | shrug |
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| 23:52.30 | gnarface | he's got a point though it shouldn't be this damned hard |
| 23:53.01 | gnarface | its a simple task not a difficult one, as many say. but those that say its difficult who actually know how to do it are clearly involved in a conspiracy to avoid telling anyone else. |
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| 23:54.49 | gr8 | btw is it correct that the nouveau version in squeeze (0.0.15) does not work with fermi cards like the GT430? that's what guys in #nouveau said. |
| 23:55.21 | streuner_ | gr8: what about BTS? |
| 23:55.28 | gr8 | what's BTS? |
| 23:55.38 | streuner_ | dpkg, bts |
| 23:55.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 23:56.20 | gr8 | right... BTS does not answer my question does it. because I need a working system |
| 23:56.47 | ozcanesen | hey, i want to package my application as deb, i write postinst script to add desktop file to $HOME/.config/autostart but script runs as root, $HOME = /root but i want to copy desktop file under /home/x/, how can i get user's home as root? |
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| 23:57.14 | gnarface | gr8: i can't confirm that but i do know that in general the nouveau driver only works for 2d graphics. trying to do anything at all in opengl with *most* nvidia cards using the nouveau driver will fail catastrophically due to lack of implementation for the 3d hardware in the open source driver (and lack of any signs of nvidia ever admitting to it either) |
| 23:57.15 | streuner_ | gr8: anyway, VESA is always available |
| 23:57.19 | petn-randall | ozcanesen: This sounds like a broken idea. |
| 23:57.58 | petn-randall | ozcanesen: Why do you want to autostart programs without asking the user? |
| 23:58.03 | gnarface | gr8: note that this includes compositing window managers... so while you may fail to get it working with e17 or gnome3 for example, you may have success with something more traditional... (twm) |
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| 23:58.36 | gnarface | gr8: but if that card is flat out broken completely, the bts would be the first place to verify |
| 23:58.38 | ozcanesen | @petn-randall: at this point you are right |
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| 23:59.21 | gr8_ | sorry my IRC client just made it... |
| 23:59.28 | gr8_ | what did you say? :-/ |
| 23:59.56 | gr8_ | pls c&p |
