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| 00:11.08 | locojay1 | hi i am on debian wheezy (xen dom0) on a mac mini attached to an apple cinema display. I don't get any output. if use hdmi and put to tv it works |
| 00:11.26 | locojay1 | any idea how i can get cinema display (24) on a mdp running |
| 00:11.44 | Armand | abrotman, sorry if that was a waste of time.. I really can't brain so well. :( |
| 00:12.05 | locojay1 | on boot i am able to see grub.. but then all goes black |
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| 00:13.06 | abrotman | locojay1: did you install the proprietary drivers for your video card? |
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| 00:13.25 | locojay1 | abrotram : no i did not |
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| 00:14.15 | abrotman | that's a new one ... |
| 00:14.59 | Armand | But.. would I be alright upgrading to the 3.2 kernel? Is the support there for the nvidia-legacy-173 ? |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | Armand: are you using wheezy or squeeze? |
| 00:16.57 | Armand | I have squeeze installed. |
| 00:18.56 | streuner_ | Armand: besides all that, if you dont need 3D, why not just use VESA (if nivida is just a pain in the ass)? |
| 00:19.17 | Armand | I didn't say it was a pain, did I? O.o |
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| 00:19.52 | streuner_ | it seems so, after i would /lastlog Armand |
| 00:19.53 | Armand | Just that I tried a kernel update before and ended up reinstalling everything. -_- |
| 00:20.24 | streuner_ | you didnt say, but just listen to yourself... |
| 00:20.29 | Armand | admittedly, it was a very bad idea in the first place. |
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| 00:21.20 | Armand | streuner_, no.. the previous update was a huge up-cock.. I forced a wheezy update and mashed everything. Total facepalm. |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | !tell Armand about bpo |
| 00:24.19 | JohnnyL | streuner_: ok. i appreciate it. |
| 00:24.47 | Armand | abrotman, should I take that as "more trouble than it's worth" ? |
| 00:25.36 | locojay1 | abrotman : this mac mini has a Intel HD Graphics 3000. lspci does not show this. how can i check if the driver is in wheezy? |
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| 00:26.01 | locojay1 | as it works using hdmi or vgaadpter throught mdp port. but not directly with mdp port |
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| 00:27.30 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: sure, but you didnt tell whats your problem is |
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| 00:27.53 | JohnnyL | streuner_: grasping linux and it's end goal. |
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| 00:28.59 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: you run a production server and use stable (your hardware is supported, everything is fine, you run a Desktop system and you have all possibilites... |
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| 00:29.58 | abrotman | locojay1: oh, it is |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | locojay1: run 'update-pciids' .. try again |
| 00:30.22 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: if you run a production server, i would recommend Debian, no headaches... |
| 00:31.04 | Armand | I'd generally recommend Debian for any system, if you want a stable distro. ;) |
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| 00:31.53 | Armand | I'm even using Raspbian on my Pi. :) |
| 00:32.17 | JohnnyL | what's the nice site with pretty examples for bash programming. I want to condense my firewall routines. |
| 00:32.44 | locojay1 | abrotman: lcpci still shows the same |
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| 00:33.28 | abrotman | locojay1: can you pastebin ? |
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| 00:33.41 | abrotman | JohnnyL: ask #bash |
| 00:33.46 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: you are here on freenode, just ask #bash |
| 00:33.51 | JohnnyL | ah ok |
| 00:33.53 | JohnnyL | thanks |
| 00:33.55 | locojay1 | sure https://gist.github.com/4229724 |
| 00:34.30 | Armand | Thanks for your time, abrotman and streuner_ |
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| 00:36.25 | abrotman | locojay1: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 00:37.54 | locojay1 | so i can't use with a mdp (apple cinema display)? |
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| 00:39.12 | abrotman | i would think you should be able to |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | mdp ? |
| 00:39.28 | abrotman | mac desktop pro? |
| 00:39.30 | locojay1 | mini display port |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:39.34 | locojay1 | mac mini |
| 00:39.50 | locojay1 | mac mini 2011 (xen server dom0 : wheezy) |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | have you tried looking at the Xorg.0.log when it's using that port? |
| 00:41.34 | locojay1 | don't have it at least in /var/log |
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| 00:41.45 | locojay1 | find /var/log -name Xorg.0.log ==> empty |
| 00:42.21 | Alam_Squeeze | how about X.org.0.log.old? |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | shuldn't be |
| 00:42.57 | locojay1 | nope |
| 00:43.58 | locojay1 | don't have any x win |
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| 00:45.01 | abrotman | oh, you're just trying to use the console ? |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell locojay1 about kms |
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| 00:46.00 | locojay1 | yes |
| 00:46.07 | locojay1 | so i can then install a xwindow :) |
| 00:46.31 | locojay1 | kms? |
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| 00:47.30 | locojay1 | i have a domu squeeze (should i install kde and give look at Xorg.0.log?) |
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| 00:48.53 | jibcage | Hi, can anybody tell me how to perform a backup of a remote server to my system? |
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| 00:49.08 | blackness | rsync |
| 00:49.09 | blackness | scp |
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| 00:49.14 | jibcage | I can't run something like ssh host "sudo tar cpjf - /" > file.tar.bz2 |
| 00:49.19 | blackness | sorry, jibcage rsync, scp |
| 00:49.20 | jibcage | because it asks for a password. |
| 00:49.28 | blackness | no jibcage that cannot be done |
| 00:49.45 | jibcage | remote tar backups really aren't possible? |
| 00:49.47 | jibcage | how saddening |
| 00:49.54 | blackness | uhm... |
| 00:49.54 | gnarface | of course they are possible |
| 00:49.57 | blackness | okay here do this |
| 00:49.58 | locojay1 | rsnapshot + rsync |
| 00:50.01 | gnarface | you just have to edit your sudoers file first |
| 00:50.21 | jibcage | gnarface: I'm worried that if I do that privilege escalation will be easier for would-be hackers |
| 00:50.23 | blackness | ssh server.com tar -cpjf /backup.tar.bz2 / |
| 00:50.29 | locojay1 | i guess i will have 2 buy a display or just use vnc :( |
| 00:50.35 | blackness | wait for it to finish, then scp user@server:/backup.tar.bz2 . |
| 00:50.37 | blackness | done. |
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| 00:50.49 | jibcage | blackness: there isn't enough space on the server's disk. we're talking a vps here |
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| 00:50.55 | gnarface | jibcage: the only alternative is to run your backups as root. without taking the servers offline there's no other way |
| 00:51.00 | blackness | then use rsync and xfer it to your host. |
| 00:51.13 | blackness | scp -r /* newhome:/data |
| 00:51.23 | jibcage | oi |
| 00:51.24 | jibcage | very well |
| 00:51.28 | jibcage | thank you! |
| 00:51.28 | blackness | do that FROM the vps. |
| 00:51.29 | blackness | not to. |
| 00:51.46 | blackness | didnt let me finish ;/ |
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| 00:51.52 | blackness | oh well he'll figure it out |
| 00:52.17 | gnarface | jibcage: sudo was meant to be a security enhancement. you can make your system a more or less secure depending on how well you know it. i recommend reading the manpage repeatedly until it makes sense, and testing thoroughly |
| 00:52.25 | gnarface | damn he's gone |
| 00:52.49 | locojay1 | but i don't get why i see the grub menu and afterwords nothing anymore |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | locojay1: see what the bot told you |
| 00:53.32 | locojay1 | can you resend : weechat history broken |
| 00:53.34 | locojay1 | sry |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell locojay1 about kms |
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| 00:54.13 | locojay1 | what does it mean? sry |
| 00:54.30 | locojay1 | ah kernel mode settings |
| 00:54.43 | jagginess | kms |
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| 00:56.29 | streuner | Did i ever mentioned that a wired connection without akku is PITA on a laptop? |
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| 00:57.50 | streuner | (akku on this laptop is broken and its very easy to kill all connections (eth0) ) ... |
| 00:58.12 | JohnnyL | are there any outstanding technology debian will add in the next 5 years? |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | JohnnyL: really? |
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| 00:59.05 | streuner | JohnnyL: nobody is able to tell you about what is reality in 5 years |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | JohnnyL: do you know what technologies will be developed in the next five yeras? |
| 00:59.22 | streuner | thats a joke? isnt it? |
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| 01:25.44 | tinimo | hi |
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| 01:26.34 | Rienzilla | Heyhey everyone |
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| 01:29.24 | Rienzilla | Not sure if om at the correct channel here. I'm trying to convert scanned .pnm images into a as small as possible decent .pdf on a debian squeeze system. After some sniffing around, it seems that I have found the way to go with as few recoding as I can get. it involves tiff2pdf from libtiff-tools. However, when I run tiff2pdf on uncompressed 24 bit color tiff images, and tell tiff2pdf to use jpeg compression, the jpeg library bugs out with "bogus input |
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| 01:31.53 | abrotman | Rienzilla: i think you got truncated .. did you look at imagemagick ? |
| 01:31.55 | pepperjack | well you can use tiffcp to compress em. not sure if that will help |
| 01:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: I personally use djvu for that |
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| 01:32.23 | dondelelcaro | (and didjvu to do the conversion) |
| 01:32.57 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: and then you can also run ocrodjvu on top of it; however, there's also gscan2pdf |
| 01:33.19 | Rienzilla | abrotman: yes. imagemagick is the tool you stumble upon the most when you look for conversion tools. It works, but it is doing an enormous recoding job, which is unneccessary since pdf can embed certain types of images |
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| 01:34.05 | Rienzilla | (and it is running on a very weak embedded system, so I need to prevent unnecessary calculations) |
| 01:34.18 | Rienzilla | dondelelcaro: I don't know didjvu... |
| 01:34.46 | Rienzilla | uses the google |
| 01:34.49 | barfod | Rienzilla: flpsed is for making .pdf 's |
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| 01:35.03 | dondelelcaro | yeah, running ocr or didjvu is probably not a good idea on a weak system |
| 01:35.11 | barfod | its very lightweight. i used to use it as a reader for my minimal systems before i switched to mupdf |
| 01:35.17 | Rienzilla | well I am running ocr :-) |
| 01:35.21 | Rienzilla | It is taking a while :-) |
| 01:36.28 | Rienzilla | barfod: hmm, that is x-only it seems. I need a command line app |
| 01:36.35 | blackness | Oh my god, its Rienzilla :D |
| 01:36.43 | Rienzilla | huh? What about me? :-) |
| 01:36.52 | blackness | -black@EFNet. |
| 01:36.53 | blackness | ;P |
| 01:36.57 | Rienzilla | ah, hey there |
| 01:36.59 | barfod | oops sorry Rienzilla i ididnt even realize that.i only read pdf 's in x |
| 01:37.08 | Rienzilla | barfod: np, thank you :) |
| 01:37.28 | naknick | anyone know how to configure pxe boot? |
| 01:37.51 | naknick | with dhcp on router that doesn't support pxe? |
| 01:38.40 | Rienzilla | meh this is stupid. Grayscale tiffs work like a charm, but as soon as it gets color jpeglib bails out :( |
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| 01:42.17 | dondelelcaro | naknick: use a dhcp server which does support PXE. |
| 01:42.27 | blackness | Rienzilla, you sure this isnt a bug? |
| 01:42.30 | dondelelcaro | naknick: it's not like you have to use the dhcp server on the router |
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| 01:42.59 | blackness | I would be glad to test this on Debian 4/5/6 if you like.. |
| 01:44.01 | naknick | dondelelcaro, but the router is always on, the computer where I can put the dhcp server is not always on |
| 01:46.18 | Rienzilla | blackness: well, I suspect it may be. Since the only hits I find on the error is a hint that he application is using an extension that isn't supported by the version of libjpeg |
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| 01:48.10 | abrotman | !tell drwill about root |
| 01:48.26 | blackness | Do you need this today? or can i have these setup and ill allow you to SSH on your own time and test this? |
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| 01:48.41 | blackness | in fact i got a 5/6 boxes already started, all i have to do is FWD the port. |
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| 01:49.53 | blackness | Send a message if you want to test this on 4/5/6. ima go put the kids down after a bath. |
| 01:49.54 | dondelelcaro | naknick: if you only temporarily need PXE booting, you can just temporarily configure the box as a DHCP server... |
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| 01:51.33 | naknick | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /srv/tftp |
| 01:51.43 | naknick | Is that 0.0.0.0 address normal? |
| 01:53.01 | Rienzilla | blackness: nah no need today |
| 01:53.05 | Rienzilla | it's late already |
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| 01:53.35 | Rienzilla | naknick: it will (probably) cause it to listen on every adress |
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| 02:04.39 | winsen | Hi all |
| 02:05.25 | winsen | can you please tell me, how can I install debian on my smartphone samsung galaxy? thanks |
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| 02:06.15 | winsen | duno which version could be instalable on |
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| 02:06.33 | abrotman | there's a section in the wiki i believe about installing debian on android |
| 02:07.22 | winsen | abrotman: hi, thanks for answering, I fear to don't follow you |
| 02:07.40 | winsen | abrotman: can you be much clear please? |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org .. i believe ther'es a section on how to install debian on top of android |
| 02:08.33 | winsen | abrotman: can you please link it to me? |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | google "install debian android" |
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| 02:10.32 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I assign multiple IPs to one interface? |
| 02:10.34 | pepperjack | seems like a lot of trouble. i think I'd rather have some kind of pocketable netbook with a keyboard |
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| 02:13.32 | abrotman | Jeeves_Moss: in the interfaces file |
| 02:13.57 | winsen | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:15.45 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, yes, I know, but I need an example. Or do I just add another line (the same way I would add an address to an interface), and just call the same interface name? |
| 02:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: you can add another stanza, and call the interface eth0:1 for example |
| 02:16.54 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: or you can bring up the additional ip address using ip addr add in the up command; up to you. |
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| 02:17.58 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, do you have a URL that explains this? This little serveris my RADIUS box, so I need it to be seen on all of the subnets, but I want to make sure they're..... nm, I figured it out. pull back the subnet mask |
| 02:18.41 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, that won't work. OTher devices are limited to their own /24 subnet |
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| 02:22.51 | Jeeves_Moss | abrotman, any ideas? |
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| 02:23.45 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: stick another IP address on each of the subnets, then |
| 02:24.03 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: but if you've got everything co-existing on the same physical network, it seems silly to have the other devices restricted to a /24. |
| 02:24.30 | dondelelcaro | the reason to use smaller subnets is for when you have to route betweeen physically separated subnets |
| 02:24.37 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, they're all on their own vlans. |
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| 02:25.09 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, the router will figure out where to send stuff, but I need to get the layout like this. 192.168.x.202 |
| 02:25.32 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: so have the radius server have an interface on all of the vlans |
| 02:25.40 | dondelelcaro | not particularly difficult to do |
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| 02:26.03 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, ok, so, a URL to a page that explains it? |
| 02:27.22 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: explains what? assuming you're doing 802.1Q, trunk to the radius, and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_use_vlan_.28dot1q.2C_802.1q.2C_trunk.29_.28Etch.2C_Lenny.29 |
| 02:28.19 | Jeeves_Moss | dondelelcaro, thanks! I'll have a read while I'm making supper |
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| 02:29.37 | dondelelcaro | Jeeves_Moss: see vlan-interfaces for the precise syntax, as it's possible that that wiki page is out of date |
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| 03:51.04 | markatto | the post-installation configuration script for mdadm is locking up for me |
| 03:51.42 | somiaj | markatto: what version of debian? Have you checked the bts? |
| 03:52.31 | markatto | it shows me a prompt asking which arrays are required to mount the root filesystem, and doesn't accept input |
| 03:52.41 | markatto | debian 6, i should probably do that |
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| 04:01.39 | alex_fun | quick free cash game in bitcoin-games now |
| 04:01.40 | alex_fun | :) |
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| 04:26.58 | boudiccas | i have a 'bookmarks.xml' file that i want to strip all the xml stuff out of, and just be left withone line = station name, new line=station url, space, repeat. How do i do it please? |
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| 04:27.54 | somiaj | only way I can think of is use an xml parser with say perl, python or some other scripting language to pull out the info you need and write a new file |
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| 04:28.38 | boudiccas | hmm, i was hoping that it could be done from the command line, rather naively perhaps |
| 04:29.13 | subb1 | Hi all. I searched but I'm not sure. Is there a distro package for the perl module Socket6 for debian? |
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| 04:29.41 | somiaj | subb1: apt-cache search perl socket6 |
| 04:29.41 | subb1 | Is it this? - http://packages.debian.org/sid/libio-socket-ssl-perl |
| 04:30.41 | boudiccas | its in a saved txt file atm, opened in pluma [text editor from mate] so i'm going to try and do it all with find and replace. should be possible but long and tedious |
| 04:31.01 | demona | Anyone familiar w/INX, give a shout out, I'm looking into updating/building it on stock Debian instead of Ubuntu, and possibly making a more distro-neutral metapackage |
| 04:31.17 | somiaj | subb1: libsocket6-perl - Perl extensions for IPv6 -- that is what I got from teh command I ran |
| 04:31.40 | subb1 | somiaj, right thanks, got the same too. |
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| 04:34.34 | demona | Currently working w/INX's dpkg selections list, and wheezy's saying it can't find 269 of the 436 packages :S I always thought Debian had the biggest repo, especially text-related apps :) |
| 04:35.21 | demona | oh wait, I'm only using main repo |
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| 04:39.54 | demona | okay, I added contrib and non free, apt-get updated again, but dpkg is still saying it can't find a bunch of these packages, even though apt-cache search shows them in the database. |
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| 04:40.45 | somiaj | what do you mean apt-cache search sees them? It searches more than package names could you just not have the package names correct for debian |
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| 04:41.22 | demona | package name is the same in both cases |
| 04:42.00 | demona | Checked a second, same |
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| 04:44.15 | subb1 | I'm confused somiaj. I installed the perl modules from debian repo eg: libsocket6-perl . I did dpkg -S and found only doc files were installed to /usr/share/doc/ . |
| 04:44.20 | somiaj | so what isn't finding the package. Do you have a more concrete example? |
| 04:44.38 | somiaj | subb1: what are you looking for? |
| 04:45.09 | demona | More specifically: 'dpkg --set-selections < selections' returns a couple hundred warnings 'package not in database', but apt-cache for some of the package names returns them as the same names. |
| 04:45.17 | demona | Might it be related to the bug discussed here recently? http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2012-10/msg01277.html |
| 04:46.05 | subb1 | somiaj, a software i'm trying to setup on my debian has the following perl module required to be installed: http://pastebin.ca/2290147 |
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| 04:46.35 | demona | Also, oddly, for a lot (not all) of the warnings, it says they're on the same line of the selections file. Which is weird because AFAICT, each line is a newline. |
| 04:46.58 | subb1 | somiaj, So i'm trying to meet the software perl module dependencies. But all i see was some documentations involved. Sorry I'm a bit new to perl and stuff. |
| 04:47.24 | somiaj | subb1: you should have the module, look at dpkg -L libsocket6-perl, have you installed the otehr modules in that list |
| 04:48.40 | demona | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/445357 |
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| 04:48.56 | somiaj | subb1: seems you'll need libio-socket-inet6-perl, libwww-perl, libnet-dns-perl, and libtest-simple-perl |
| 04:49.26 | subb1 | somiaj, thanks buddy. I'm able to see more perl files with dpkg -L . Yes I installed the rest of them too ! |
| 04:50.22 | demona | http://debian.distrosfaqs.org/debian-user/set-selections-warnings/ |
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| 04:56.42 | somiaj | demona: yea I don't use --set-selctions beyond putting afew packages on hold here. |
| 04:56.52 | somiaj | not sure what your problem is or if I could test to see if I experience it |
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| 04:57.51 | demona | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=79006 |
| 04:58.20 | demona | I installed dselect, then 'dselect access', 'dselect update', now dpkg only throws 71 warnings :) |
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| 04:59.49 | demona | doing dselect-upgrade now |
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| 05:06.13 | demona | hm, somehow I ended up with GTK libs even though I haven't installed anything graphical yet? Heh, I may have to start over |
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| 05:26.57 | zykotick9 | currently installing wheezy b4 over wpa wireless. not having to plug in a cable -> priceless |
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| 05:44.40 | jubei | guys I have, under /etc, two directories. One is /etc/dhcp and the other is /etc/dhcp3 |
| 05:45.01 | jubei | I think my dhcp server is up and running, why do I have two of em? |
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| 05:50.37 | zykotick9 | jubei: looks like /etc/dhcp is client side stuff... i have it, and i don't run a server |
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| 05:56.03 | somiaj | jubei: dpkg -S /etc/dhcp (will tell you what package owns that directory) |
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| 07:02.53 | discovered | When debian 7 stable will be released? |
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| 07:04.14 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 07:04.14 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 07:05.29 | discovered | ah the bot is smart! |
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| 07:29.09 | jubei | somiaj: thank you! (about dhcp - dpkg -S) |
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| 08:43.04 | boudiccas | i have a file called 'radio_streams' shown at http://dpaste.com/842481/ Line 1 is the radio stations name, Line 2 is the waveband for streaming it. What I want is a seperate fil station with its Name and waveband on ine 2, and saved as per the station name. How do i do it please? |
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| 08:43.45 | boudiccas | seperate file with line 1 being the station |
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| 08:48.29 | boudiccas | does that make sense please? what i'm trying to do is to create indiviudal playlist to use woth mpd |
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| 08:53.57 | KsM | boudiccas: with mpd you have to create a .m3u in ~/.mpd/playlists (or whatever your playlist path is) and put the direct url to the stream |
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| 08:54.17 | KsM | i.e. something like http://stream.tld:8001/ |
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| 08:55.10 | boudiccas | KsM: yes i know. i'm trying to convert a long list at dpaste into seperate littel files of one radio station each which will be fikled under /.mod/playlists |
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| 08:56.43 | KsM | yeah but I think you have to change all the .m3u and .pls to the direct URI |
| 08:57.11 | boudiccas | KsM: lets get them into little files first, then i can fine tune them individualkly |
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| 08:58.45 | boudiccas | i've already done the fist five and got them working okay, i just need some guidance with regard to doing the rest |
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| 09:12.08 | milligan | I'd like to get a part of an image (png, and I can provide the area in pixels that I want) and store it as a new image. Is there a simple way to do this over the command line ? |
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| 09:12.34 | mwargh | yep |
| 09:12.38 | mwargh | imagemagic |
| 09:12.48 | mwargh | won't say how exactly, just google it |
| 09:13.01 | mwargh | imagemagick |
| 09:13.28 | Mehhh | Is there an armhf deb gcc4.7 toolchain available? |
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| 09:14.41 | boudiccas | Mehhh: presumably for a raspiabian pi, which isn't supported here. please ask in its channel |
| 09:15.10 | boudiccas | !raspbian pi |
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| 09:15.33 | Mehhh | kk |
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| 09:18.11 | milligan | mwargh, -crop is the way to go I reckon, agree? I have the size I want to crop, but I can't see how to tell it where to start cropping ? |
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| 09:18.58 | milligan | nvm |
| 09:19.02 | milligan | I misunderstood the argument |
| 09:19.04 | milligan | fixed :) |
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| 09:19.12 | mwargh | milligan: huh :) |
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| 09:20.38 | adb | boudiccas, /msg dpkg raspberry |
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| 09:39.45 | lewis | hi |
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| 09:40.26 | lewis | my internet is really slow whenever i use debian squeeze. I tried different browsers but the speed is not nearly as normal as when im using windows. could it be because of ipv6. |
| 09:40.53 | lewis | I have a squeeze 6.0.5 |
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| 09:41.58 | boudiccas | i have a file called 'radio_streams' shown at http://dpaste.com/842481/ Line 1 is the radio stations name, Line 2 is the waveband for streaming it. What I want is a seperate fil station with its Name and waveband on ine 2, and saved as per the station name. How do i do it please? seperate file with line 1 being the station |
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| 09:57.25 | julius_ | hi |
| 09:57.35 | homes | hi |
| 09:57.40 | julius_ | in a rsync -ai output, what does a + mean? <f+++++++++ Voyager/2011 - The Meaning Of I/01 - Momentary Relapse Of Pain.mp3 |
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| 09:58.38 | julius_ | or in this case what do a whole lot of plus signs mean? |
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| 10:04.00 | dutchfish | julius_, as far as i know, rsync in itemize-changes put a + on every part in -a modus. |
| 10:04.17 | dutchfish | julius_, (changed part) |
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| 10:06.17 | julius_ | what is a part in this case? |
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| 10:06.24 | julius_ | why not say, file change or it didnt |
| 10:06.29 | julius_ | d |
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| 10:07.18 | dokma | I'm trying to figure out which CPU is better for a web hosting machine: http://ark.intel.com/products/53491/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G850-(3M-Cache-2_90-GHz) or http://ark.intel.com/products/43098/Intel-Atom-Processor-D510-1M-Cache-1_66-GHz ?? |
| 10:07.38 | dokma | one is faster by MHz the other has 4 threads as opposed to 2 |
| 10:08.00 | dokma | and I can't figure out what would be a good way to reason about this |
| 10:08.14 | homes | they'll both qoek |
| 10:08.17 | homes | work* |
| 10:08.28 | lewis | 659 packets transmitted, 317 received, 51% packet loss, time 696574ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 101.884/104.584/130.018/3.384 ms |
| 10:08.35 | lewis | it's not normal is it |
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| 10:08.48 | dokma | homes: do you figure there would be any significant difference? |
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| 10:09.10 | homes | look up bencmarks, i'm not familiar with this G850 |
| 10:09.23 | homes | i suspect there will be a significant difference |
| 10:09.46 | homes | but, if your web server is under low load, you may not care, even with a single core atom you can get a lot done |
| 10:10.30 | dokma | yes it's under low load |
| 10:10.43 | dokma | on a 2quad/4threads the load is always under 1 |
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| 10:11.49 | dokma | hmmm.... the benchmarks suggest that g850 is way better |
| 10:13.06 | homes | indeed. I'd get the G850, unless some other factors apply like power usage, fanlessness, etc |
| 10:13.37 | dokma | this is a choice between two machines in a dedicated hosting center |
| 10:13.42 | dokma | the prace is the same |
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| 10:13.49 | dokma | and the g850 comes with more hard drive |
| 10:13.55 | homes | interesting |
| 10:14.01 | dokma | so I'd say the choice is quite obvious |
| 10:14.02 | homes | go the G850. |
| 10:14.14 | homes | though, don't want a VPN? |
| 10:14.14 | dokma | ?39/month |
| 10:14.34 | dokma | I preffer to have full control of my machine |
| 10:14.45 | dokma | and with this price it is really cheap |
| 10:15.21 | homes | well, a VPN could be 1/2 to 1/5th that, depending on size |
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| 10:15.32 | dokma | 2x250GB/4GB/G850 |
| 10:16.05 | dokma | I'm getting new clients rather quickly so I think I'll be able to fill this machine within the next year or so |
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| 10:16.32 | homes | fair enough, i'd suggest some plan for if you have a HW failure |
| 10:16.52 | dokma | I have a full backup implemented |
| 10:16.52 | homes | or, given it's webservers, failover of some description |
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| 10:17.16 | homes | that's cool and all, but if your mobo is dead, customers are going to have no service for a while |
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| 10:17.35 | dokma | well... how would you counter that? |
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| 10:19.50 | homes | have two redundant hosts, or if saving money is the goal perhaps an EC2 instance that generally isn't running |
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| 10:20.58 | dokma | I've never looked into EC2 |
| 10:21.18 | dokma | Not at the level where I can afford to tackle that atm |
| 10:21.23 | dutchfish | mumbles, backups are no excuse for redundancy |
| 10:21.51 | dokma | I need some 30 clients more atm to be able to look into that |
| 10:21.59 | dokma | Right now I'll just play the luck card |
| 10:22.07 | dokma | Especially now that I'm moving to a new machine |
| 10:22.16 | dokma | Hopefully it will hold another year |
| 10:23.08 | homes | presuming you mean afford as in time, as in terms of money a standby EC2 instance is of negligable cost |
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| 10:24.04 | dokma | really? |
| 10:24.13 | homes | one moment |
| 10:24.15 | dokma | how negligable is that? |
| 10:24.31 | dutchfish | dokma, pennies per client |
| 10:25.09 | homes | https://aws.amazon.com/free/ though...as dutchfish says, i pay for s3 and i think my bill is around 18 cents a month |
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| 10:26.04 | homes | micro instances are free to new customers for 12 months, nice enough eh |
| 10:26.20 | nkuttler | i'm not on ec2 mostly because i need to host my own smtpd and that seems to be problematic |
| 10:26.33 | dutchfish | nkuttler, true! |
| 10:26.54 | dutchfish | nkuttler, but imaps works great |
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| 10:27.19 | homes | nkuttler: gets flagged as spam frequently? |
| 10:27.49 | nkuttler | homes: mostly |
| 10:28.10 | dutchfish | and dns propagation just after boot |
| 10:28.31 | nkuttler | but i'm currently working on a few salt scripts and am looking forward to put all new clients on it |
| 10:28.38 | nkuttler | web-hosting and stuff |
| 10:29.18 | homes | neat, EC2 has instances with SSD storage |
| 10:29.32 | dutchfish | but lets face it, for that price, its a nice failover instance in cloud solution |
| 10:30.06 | dutchfish | if you want more, it will cost you some pennie smore. |
| 10:30.53 | dutchfish | sorry for the offtopic noise |
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| 10:31.56 | homes | would be somewhat disappointed if debian isn't used for this webserver |
| 10:32.16 | dutchfish | homes, there a debian amiś floating around |
| 10:32.33 | dutchfish | homes, have fun ;) |
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| 10:33.03 | nkuttler | homes: http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image etc |
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| 10:38.17 | nyuszika7h | hi, I'm getting this error: https://privatepaste.com/0568f7fb80 - any idea on how to fix it? |
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| 10:41.00 | themill | nyuszika7h: what's the output of "apt-cache policy apt python-apt python-debian python-xapian apt-xapian-index; apt-cache policy" there? |
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| 10:41.47 | nyuszika7h | http://ix.io/3Ay |
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| 10:42.12 | mooperd | I made a silly and assigned the same ip on two hosts on a remote network. |
| 10:42.16 | themill | nyuszika7h: what a mess |
| 10:42.20 | nyuszika7h | true |
| 10:42.40 | mooperd | Is it possible to manipulate the arp table or similar so I can make a connection to a specific box? |
| 10:43.01 | themill | nyuszika7h: there's no way you can expect that to work. If you want squeeze, reinstall squeeze. If you want wheezy, upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 10:43.26 | nyuszika7h | themill: do you think it's safe to upgrade a server to wheezy (considering that it has many packages from wheezy/sid already)? |
| 10:44.01 | nyuszika7h | it's quite stable currently, the highest uptime was 60 days, and I only rebooted to fix networking, and I later found out it could have been done without a reboot |
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| 10:44.14 | themill | nyuszika7h: wheezy does not yet have timely security support, so it's not really that great on a server just yet. That said, you've already got a mess like that so it probably wouldn't be worse than what you have now |
| 10:44.36 | themill | (next time, don't mix stable and testing/sid -- it's always going to end in tears) |
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| 10:45.32 | nyuszika7h | you're right, it's just laziness |
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| 10:47.45 | themill | nyuszika7h: actually, I'd have said laziness was not mixing releases and not making work for myself ;) |
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| 10:50.34 | nyuszika7h | now just one question, what's the difference between stable-updates and stable/updates? |
| 10:50.43 | nyuszika7h | squeeze-updates, rather |
| 10:51.17 | themill | one is the replacement to the "volatile" archive, the other is security updates. The naming is terrible. Ask dpkg about each of them for more details. |
| 10:51.27 | nyuszika7h | ok |
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| 10:51.45 | homes | that is horrible naming. |
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| 10:55.44 | themill | Yeah, for some reason "volatile" was considered to be a poor choice and so stable-updates was used instead. But this decision was taken unilaterally and very late in the freeze process so that it was too late to change it. This is why things shouldn't change during the freeze... |
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| 10:56.21 | themill | There's also stable-proposed-updates, just for added amusement. |
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| 11:02.22 | sussudio | themill: i-cant-believe-its-not-stable |
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| 11:06.33 | Armand | sussudio, I can believe it's not Genesis. |
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| 11:09.52 | kladze | hello, im trying to partion my RAID 10 setup, total of 4TB - but i was wondering what is the "best" partition table/setup... I was thinking of this: /boot 150M /var 10GB /root system 300GB /home 3.7TB swap 16GB |
| 11:10.36 | kladze | is this a retarded setup of partition or what is the "best" solution for my setup? |
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| 11:11.10 | julius_ | this rsync -ai output: <f..t...... does mean that the modification time on the target file is updated right? |
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| 11:13.03 | themill | julius_: man rsync has quite an extensive section on that output |
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| 11:17.54 | julius_ | but why do i see a percentage going up and a mb/s count if its only changing the time |
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| 11:32.51 | dutchfish | julius_, See if you have the -t or --times option set - this preserves times from the source file to the destination. Unset that option. For more info sorry, just rtfm. |
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| 11:37.51 | milligan | Anyone know of a captcha-decoder, except for gocr? |
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| 11:45.27 | dutchfish | milligan, a human |
| 11:45.59 | nvz | I can decipher mayber 1 in 25 at best |
| 11:46.18 | milligan | s/a captcha-decoder/an automated captcha-decoder |
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| 11:49.57 | fishcooker | i've BlueTooth device works well on windows* |
| 11:50.14 | fishcooker | how to enable the device? |
| 11:50.28 | ectospasm | milligan: I know there are services you can sign up for (as a customer or a worker) where the human workers earn money solving captchas. |
| 11:51.16 | milligan | ectospasm, yeah, I saw those .. not quite what I'm after though, I think. I'm not desperate to get it done .. it's more like that it would be convenient and now I'm sort of hell-bent on finding a solution,hehe. |
| 11:51.19 | babilen | fishcooker: Which device? |
| 11:51.56 | fishcooker | Bluetooth device |
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| 11:52.43 | babilen | fishcooker: Could you provide just *a little* more details? Do you want to pair with *another* bluetooth device and that fails or do you simply want to use an internal bluetooth adaptor? |
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| 11:53.18 | milligan | I found this app in the repos, ocropus .. however, after having installed it, I have no idea what the binary is actually called. Any way I figure out what the repo actually installed ? |
| 11:53.24 | Kre10s | hey! so I think i found out why i cannot connect to my AP. my ap is ipv4 and I noticed that dmesg says wlan0: no IPv6 routers present. How do i tell debian to use IPv4? |
| 11:53.36 | babilen | milligan: "dpkg -L ocropus" |
| 11:53.49 | milligan | cheers |
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| 11:54.53 | babilen | Kre10s: That is normal and most likely *not* the reason for your problems. Which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) Can you pair successfully with the network? Does the DHCP request fail? What do you use to configure your network? |
| 11:55.14 | babilen | fishcooker: hmm? |
| 11:55.32 | fishcooker | babilen: internal one |
| 11:55.43 | fishcooker | i've asus box *errr laptop |
| 11:55.55 | fishcooker | i can |
| 11:56.00 | fishcooker | 't paired yet |
| 11:56.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell fishcooker -about bluetooth |
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| 11:57.36 | babilen | fishcooker: Please read the bluetoothuser wiki page and do whatever you think is best afterwards. If you actually have problems provide more details about what you've tried and what fails. I would also encourage you to write more than simply one or two word replies. If English is not your native language you might want to ask in a different channel (i.e. one for your language) |
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| 11:59.07 | nevyn | fishcooker: what sort of device? headset, serial, a2dp ? |
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| 12:00.03 | samba35 | how do i get X windows on windows with xming ,what i have to change in putty |
| 12:00.36 | Kre10s | babilen, false alarm apparently it is working now... however. neither do i know what i did wrong the last x times it wasn't working nor what i did now to make it work. |
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| 12:01.18 | nevyn | samba35: check the box for x11 forwarding in putty's ssh section |
| 12:01.40 | samba35 | yes i have check and add 0:0 |
| 12:01.48 | nevyn | don't do that. |
| 12:02.15 | nevyn | in ssh => X11 just check the top box "Enable X11 forwarding" |
| 12:02.34 | samba35 | yes that is configure |
| 12:02.34 | babilen | Kre10s: Well, *shrug* |
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| 12:03.50 | fishcooker | babilen: nevyn http://paste.debian.net/214880/ |
| 12:05.02 | fishcooker | what's missing? |
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| 12:09.25 | adb | fishcooker, it's a kubuntu machine ? |
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| 12:11.43 | mallxs | Hi, any idea when web developer voor iceweasel 3.5.16 will be available ? or where can i find instructions howto install firefox ? |
| 12:12.19 | themill | dpkg: tell mallxs about iceweasel backports |
| 12:12.23 | mallxs | did a install of firefox in /opt but it seems unable to find the libstdc++ 6 |
| 12:12.34 | mallxs | thx tyhemill |
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| 12:12.40 | nkuttler | mallxs: use firebug? |
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| 12:18.36 | fishcooker | adb that's gnome |
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| 12:20.35 | adb | in Debian ... ? |
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| 12:20.58 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/214882/ adb |
| 12:22.04 | babilen | fishcooker: What about "lsusb" ? |
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| 12:23.05 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/214883/ babilen |
| 12:23.36 | babilen | fishcooker: Which one of those is your bluetooth adaptor? |
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| 12:24.30 | fishcooker | i don't know bt.adaptor which one since its internal adapter |
| 12:24.51 | fishcooker | built in with asus laptop |
| 12:25.12 | babilen | fishcooker: Hmm, sure. Lets see then. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" too please? Which version of Debian do you use? Which kernel? |
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| 12:27.33 | fishcooker | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/214885/ |
| 12:27.46 | babilen | fishcooker: Please also install the rfkill package and show me the output of "rfkill list" |
| 12:28.33 | mallxs | nkuttler: what will firebug do for me ? |
| 12:29.46 | babilen | fishcooker: Ok, I think it is "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13d3:3304 IMC Networks" lets see if I can find information about that device and its Linux support somewhere. |
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| 12:33.50 | babilen | fishcooker: Which version of Debian do you use and which kernel? |
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| 12:34.35 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/214887/ |
| 12:34.36 | babilen | fishcooker: There are numerous bug reports and/or posts on the internet that complain about this device. I haven't yet found reliable information about its support status yet though. |
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| 12:35.28 | babilen | fishcooker: Could you also run "modprobe -r ath3k ; modprobe ath3k ; dmesg|tail -n23 ; lsusb" and paste the output of that? |
| 12:37.48 | babilen | fishcooker: But the most important piece of information I need now is: 1. Which version of Debian do you use? 2. Which kernel? (uname -a) |
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| 12:38.53 | cusco | hi |
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| 12:39.09 | cusco | I just installed debian, gnome-session, gdm3 |
| 12:39.15 | cusco | xorg.0.log says no screens found |
| 12:39.19 | cusco | what should I be looking at? |
| 12:39.57 | babilen | cusco: Which GPU do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) Could you paste the entire log to a pastebin please? (/msg dpkg nopaste) |
| 12:40.04 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/214889/ |
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| 12:40.35 | cusco | babilen: nvidia, I already did install nvidia-dkms, and created a fine in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ according to the dpkg bot |
| 12:40.56 | cusco | nouveau is blacklisted, nvidia module is loaded |
| 12:40.58 | babilen | fishcooker: I guess that you need a newer kernel -- So, once again, Which version of Debian do you use and which kernel? |
| 12:41.25 | babilen | cusco: Which card exactly? Which version of Debian do you use and which version of the NVIDIA driver did you install? |
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| 12:42.12 | mallxs | themill: thx 10.0.11 works well for me |
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| 12:44.22 | cusco | babilen: ok, the name of my file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ did not end in .conf .. it works. Anyway its a nvidia 8800 |
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| 12:44.35 | cusco | thanks babilen |
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| 12:44.56 | babilen | cusco: Ok, sure. You are welcome :) |
| 12:45.09 | babilen | cusco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging |
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| 12:46.30 | berzerka | hey guys. one disk of my server reports a bad read in sector 1072021067 with "smartctl -t short" each and every time i run it. however: doing "hdparm --read-sector 1072021067 /dev/sdd" failed only once, then it succeeded, and now it keeps succeeding. there has been no write in the meantime and smart test keeps reporting the invalid read. can someone explain this? |
| 12:46.31 | ectospasm | does anyone know how to load m3u files into mpd? I've tried the m3u script that ships with mpc, but it doesn't work. |
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| 12:46.39 | kladze | lol nice babilen |
| 12:46.43 | cusco | babilen: yes I am aqueinted with that technique |
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| 12:47.02 | starenka | hi, can sbdy point me or help w/ extrenal monitor faqs. my bproblem is the vga1 is detected by xorg as capable of 1024x768 which is ridiculously low. i havn |
| 12:47.03 | romoaldo | hi |
| 12:47.10 | ectospasm | berzerka: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html |
| 12:47.15 | RapiBurrito | morning |
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| 12:47.27 | babilen | cusco: Either way: Great that you fixed it, I was just in the process of writing a lengthy reply and we can just move on now :) |
| 12:47.30 | starenka | n't fiddled w/ xorg for years and theres apparently no xorg.conf around these days (im on testing) |
| 12:47.32 | romoaldo | is there a program to tune a DVB card to a specific frequency? (like 'dvbtune' ) |
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| 12:47.42 | berzerka | ectospasm: i read that, actually. but i still don't get why the one read keeps succeeding. |
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| 12:47.55 | RapiBurrito | grub2 query: have you guys ever encountered an error where the system would crash before kernel load(right before grub's kernel selection screen) by either showing randomly colored straight lines and hanging there or full monitor signal drop? not reboot nor shutdown, the system appears to be on but nothing responds and the monitor behaves as if the computer was either off or sleeping |
| 12:48.01 | cusco | now another silly question: I have two screens same brand and model, in gnome 'Displays' settings, one of the screens is detected as a HP, the other as a Unknown |
| 12:48.34 | cusco | the one detected as HP has right resolution, 1366x768, the other option allows to set it at 1360x768 |
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| 12:48.44 | cusco | and the screen states that it is not the ideal resoilution etc |
| 12:48.52 | babilen | starenka: What does "xrandr -q" give you? Which card is that (lspci -nn|grep -i vga), which driver do you use for it and what is the native resolution of the display? |
| 12:48.54 | berzerka | i tried dropping disk caches (although i'm not sure wether that is realted to raw blocks) but the hdparm read keeps succeeding. |
| 12:48.59 | ectospasm | berzerka: you should probably follow the bad blocks howto to zero out the sector... SMART sometimes doesn't update until you do that |
| 12:49.00 | cusco | the screens are the same, how can I make it have the same resolutuiio? |
| 12:49.35 | berzerka | ectospasm: yes i think that will solve the error. however, i cannot understand the current behavior. |
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| 12:50.05 | starenka | babilen: http://dpaste.org/E9mfW/ |
| 12:50.32 | ectospasm | berzerka: depends on which smartmontools report you're looking at (I don't remember which one you need to look at off the top of my head) |
| 12:51.02 | babilen | cusco: Sounds as if reading/parsing the EDID of one of your displays fails -- Could you install the read-edid package and show me "get-edid | parse-edid" please? Anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 12:51.05 | ectospasm | berzerka: in any case, if you can't clear it then your disk may be going bad. I hope you have good backups. |
| 12:51.21 | cusco | hold on babilen |
| 12:51.38 | berzerka | ectospasm: this is one drive out of a raid5, so its not catastropic now. lets see if i can zero that badboy out... |
| 12:52.03 | babilen | starenka: What is the native resolution of VGA1 ? |
| 12:52.08 | ectospasm | berzerka: you should probably just slap in a new drive anyway, and let the RAID rebuild |
| 12:52.24 | ectospasm | berzerka: you do have a spare, don't you? |
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| 12:52.40 | ectospasm | You can connect the suspect drive to your workstation, and perform operations on it |
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| 12:53.58 | berzerka | ectospasm: no spare... but it has been removed from the array already some time ago, so data corruption is no problem it will have to rebuild the raid data anyways. |
| 12:54.06 | cusco | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/214890/ that is get-edid and Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/214891/ |
| 12:54.08 | babilen | starenka, cusco: Argh, sorry. I have to leave for some time ... I would recommend to invrestigate along the lines of "Is the EDID correct?" (e.g. install read-edid and run "get-edid|parse-edid" and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log) and then continue by forcing certain resolutions (e.g. with xrandr or with a conf file, see "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" for inforamtion on xorg.conf in squeeze (and later)) |
| 12:54.31 | cusco | ok thanks babilen |
| 12:54.44 | ectospasm | berzerka: not smart, running a RAID with no spare drive... |
| 12:54.49 | babilen | cusco: You have to pipe get-edid into "parse-edid" to get sensible (i.e. human readable) output ... Sorry, but well .. reall life :) |
| 12:54.52 | cusco | xrandr is going to be trouble |
| 12:54.59 | berzerka | ectospasm: i know. will buy one today. |
| 12:55.29 | cusco | babilen: no mather how I pipe it it comes as stderr |
| 12:55.50 | cusco | Error: output block unchanged |
| 12:55.57 | starenka | babilen: 1680x1050 |
| 12:56.09 | cusco | parse-edid: IO error reading EDID |
| 12:56.17 | cusco | but ok, I will have a look ad xrandr |
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| 12:57.41 | brandonj | has anybody here managed to get the steam beta working? |
| 12:58.58 | romoaldo | what the minchia is 'steam beta' ^^^ ? |
| 12:59.08 | romoaldo | o.O |
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| 13:00.14 | ectospasm | berzerka: I keep a spare drive just for that reason. I ran into a similar issue about six or so months ago... replaced it with the spare, used the smartmontools howto to clear the sector, and now it's the spare (-; |
| 13:00.32 | ectospasm | eSATA is a wonderful thing |
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| 13:02.09 | berzerka | ectospasm: jup good practice. when we installed this we thought "aw cmon TWO drives failing, what are the odds?" but now that one already is failing, i get a bit scared and will get a spare quickly :P |
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| 13:02.15 | romoaldo | thanks for all the shoes -_- |
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| 13:02.49 | berzerka | ectospasm: btw the write repaired the sector, as expected. i still don't get why hdparm was able to read it successfully (except one time...). |
| 13:03.05 | berzerka | ectospasm: well not repaired, but rather remapped the logical block. |
| 13:03.25 | ectospasm | berzerka: different read facilities is all I can conjecture |
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| 13:04.14 | berzerka | ectospasm: yeah or maybe buffers inside the device, which the selftest does (correctly) not use but for external reads it does.. |
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| 13:04.30 | ectospasm | berzerka: did you a buffered read? |
| 13:04.41 | ectospasm | s/u a/u do a/ |
| 13:04.49 | berzerka | ectospasm: hdparm --read-sector.. |
| 13:05.06 | ectospasm | I'd have to look at the man page whether that's buffered |
| 13:05.06 | starenka | babilen: cvt, xrandr --newmode, --addmode did the trick, THANKS!!! |
| 13:05.58 | berzerka | ectospasm: well it says pretty explicitly: hdparm will issue a low-level read (completely bypassing the usual block layer read/write mechanisms) for the specified sector. This can be used to definitively check whether a given sector is bad (media error) or not (doing so through the usual mechanisms can sometimes give false positives). |
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| 13:06.11 | berzerka | ectospasm: so i would have expected to get the read error each time, as well. |
| 13:06.55 | berzerka | ectospasm: i can only imagine that the drive itself does some buffering as long as it sees no writes in the meantime. |
| 13:06.56 | ectospasm | berzerka: you might have had to do another long (or whatever) smart test |
| 13:07.04 | ectospasm | could be |
| 13:07.23 | berzerka | ectospasm: the short one failed each time. with the same sector, so.. |
| 13:07.45 | berzerka | ectospasm: whatever, lets hope that this is fixed for now. doing the long test just at the moment. |
| 13:07.57 | ectospasm | it could be that the hdparm caused the drive to reallocate the sector... and the short read may have been reading the same smart value from memory |
| 13:08.06 | ectospasm | ...not sure |
| 13:08.16 | ectospasm | I'm not a SMART expert. Heh. Heh. Heh. |
| 13:08.24 | berzerka | ectospasm: yeah.. maybe a firmware issue. i don't wanna know anymore ;) |
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| 13:08.50 | ectospasm | berzerka: if you cleared it, slap it back into the array and rebuild it. |
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| 13:09.15 | berzerka | ectospasm: doing the long test first. at 6:15pm, i can replug it :) |
| 13:09.18 | ectospasm | ...if it starts having ever more errors, then replace it. |
| 13:09.27 | ectospasm | berzerka: there ya go |
| 13:09.38 | ectospasm | ...but you should've had a spare drive |
| 13:09.52 | berzerka | ectospasm: indeed. my brother is already on the way getting one. |
| 13:09.58 | ectospasm | berzerka: are all these HDDs from the same production run (similar serial numbers)? |
| 13:10.11 | berzerka | ectospasm: havent checked.. lets see. |
| 13:10.28 | berzerka | at least they are all the same model bought at the same time. |
| 13:10.57 | ectospasm | then be afraid... be very afraid... |
| 13:13.28 | abrotman | i am so smart .. S M R T </homer> |
| 13:14.00 | berzerka | ectospasm: oops. continuous serial numbers. with one gap. |
| 13:14.16 | berzerka | ectospasm: 37, 38, 39, 41 |
| 13:14.23 | berzerka | ectospasm: now i am scared :) |
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| 13:15.26 | berzerka | ectospasm: but well, the raid is unmounted for now, the failing one is on its way to being put back into the raid, and spare is on the way. |
| 13:16.14 | berzerka | ectospasm: so now the situation is fine i guess. but... i may not even tell that anyone... the situation has been like this for months, possibly years :P |
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| 13:17.04 | berzerka | ectospasm: the notification mails from mdadm --watch got nowhere because the mailbox permissions of that other user were not set right. i have no idea how long the drive has been failing already. thats the scary part :P |
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| 13:57.16 | ElectricPrism | Can anyone tell if - is Wine 1.4 or wine 1.4.1 the stable release of wine? |
| 13:58.15 | themill | yes |
| 13:59.22 | ElectricPrism | 1.4.1 it is |
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| 14:03.13 | jelly | winehq.com will know |
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| 14:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | _Is_ there a stable release of wine? |
| 14:05.58 | trist4n | dont ruin the joke |
| 14:06.06 | scientes | lol |
| 14:06.11 | themill | makes jhutchins_wk look at winehq.com |
| 14:06.55 | jhutchins_wk | The sound on videos is all messed up, choppy and staticky. |
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| 14:07.23 | jhutchins_wk | Unfortunately, the alsa checklist won't help - this is on Windows XP. |
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| 14:07.33 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: try ##windows |
| 14:08.04 | jhutchins_wk | (This for all those who think things Just Work in Windows.) |
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| 14:15.06 | mallxs | Hmm i need to work with citrix for a assignment ... is there something better then the crap citrix is offering ? |
| 14:15.41 | trist4n | i dont udnerstand the question |
| 14:15.47 | trist4n | is the need to work with citrix negotiable. |
| 14:16.01 | demona | I like Citrix's free stuff. Haven't tried the commercial. |
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| 14:17.39 | mallxs | Nop but before i could connect with Remmina RDP and that worked great.. the citrix is slow and i dont know how to get out of a session without using kill |
| 14:18.10 | mallxs | it also kills my synergy |
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| 14:20.00 | mallxs | the Citrix install started with a Fail on menu setup using the dpkg |
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| 14:22.51 | mallxs | is there a tool for making a ica file for connecting to the Citrix server .. cos i also had t install a (netscape) NS-plugin enabler to use the Citrix and i dont really trust that plugin |
| 14:23.05 | babilen | mallxs: Do they offer VNC and or plain SSH? IIRC there is no alternative to Citrix' ICA client if you are forced to use it. I would recommend to take your laptop to universities support staff and let them support the mess they force you to use. |
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| 14:25.32 | mallxs | babilen: lol i have here 3 debain boxes with 3 screens connected with nfs and synergy .. my employer would just say to use windows here @home .. no way |
| 14:26.03 | reavengrey | I would say the same tbh |
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| 14:28.59 | babilen | mallxs: Well, then I would recommend to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo (as it applies to Debian) and documentation on http://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/receivers-by-platform/receiver-for-linux-121.html |
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| 14:29.25 | babilen | mallxs: Sorry that you have to put up with this, well, suboptimal technology |
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| 14:29.49 | mallxs | babilen: thx for the links and support |
| 14:30.00 | fbs | I have a simple udev rule, SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{serial}=="0000:00:1a.0", GROUP="programmers", MODE="0666", SYMLINK+="buspirate" |
| 14:30.26 | fbs | but the GROUP="programmers" doesnt seem to work, crw-rw-rwT 1 root dialout 188, 0 Dec 7 15:28 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 14:31.39 | fbs | i cant find whats setting dailout as group |
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| 14:32.47 | indicator | Hi |
| 14:32.58 | fbs | oh ofc its 91-permissions.rules |
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| 14:34.46 | indicator | Hi, when I rebooted after updating, I was promptly returned to a grub rescue shell. About the prompt, it says, "error: unknown filesystem" |
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| 14:35.27 | indicator | looking at the partition table via fdisk, there's a few curious notes "partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary" and "partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary" |
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| 14:36.08 | indicator | my layout is as follows per ordered partition scheme (sda1-5), 7, 5, 7, 82, 83 |
| 14:36.11 | Voluedaysofdange | what languages insays here? |
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| 14:36.16 | Voluedaysofdange | lol |
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| 14:37.03 | Voluedaysofdange | !back |
| 14:37.03 | dpkg | We'll know you're back when you start talking to the channel. No need to announce your presence or absence. See <away>. |
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| 14:37.44 | somiaj | indicator: what do you mean updating (apt-get update shouldn't effect booting at all). If you ment upgrading, what versions of debian did you upgrade to/from? |
| 14:38.07 | nabblet | hi, if in resolv conf is the line "nameserver 127.0.0.1" this indicates, that the computer should run a name service, right? |
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| 14:38.29 | indicator | somiaj, just the updating prompt that opens up when there are updates available |
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| 14:38.42 | indicator | I agree however, but I guess grub needs to do something |
| 14:38.42 | TbKvVzofdanger | I need your working print please |
| 14:39.06 | somiaj | indicator: what updateing prompt are you talking about? What did you upgrade to/from? |
| 14:39.07 | indicator | (upon kernel update?) |
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| 14:39.34 | indicator | somiaj, not sure what it's calld but it's the standard package manager o_O |
| 14:39.34 | somiaj | indicator: debian may have automatic updating promts, I don't know of any. Usually it is prefered you update with apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:39.47 | TbKvVzofdanger | I went XP2ULTIMATE2XP |
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| 14:39.49 | somiaj | indicator: the standard package manager does not pop up a gui. ARe you running ubuntu? |
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| 14:40.06 | somiaj | nabblet: it doesn't indicate that you have a local nameserver. But you will need one running to get DNS to work. |
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| 14:40.48 | somiaj | nabblet: all it says is when you ask for a DNS to be resolved, you ask the localhost. If a nameserver isn't running on the local host, point resolv.conf at a valid nameserer |
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| 14:41.33 | indicator | somiaj, it's Update Manager |
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| 14:41.46 | indicator | it pops up... |
| 14:42.13 | jelly | indicator: Update Manager is almost completely broken in Debian. Use synaptic if you really want a GUI |
| 14:42.29 | indicator | well, that's fine.. but.. Now I need to get my system back up |
| 14:42.31 | somiaj | indicator: anyways, what is your sources.list. You should be using aptitude/apt-get for upgrades in debian. |
| 14:42.41 | indicator | or at least, access my files |
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| 14:42.49 | indicator | somiaj, no idea, I cannot access my files |
| 14:42.51 | somiaj | indicator: well lets first figure out what version of debian you are running, do you know that? |
| 14:43.12 | indicator | I don't.. I installed it about 2 years ago and haven't upgraded to any new major release |
| 14:43.13 | somiaj | indicator: most likely at this time you will have to use a livecd/resucecd, get into your root partition and reinstall grub/figure out what went wrong. |
| 14:43.21 | indicator | (if that's any indication) |
| 14:43.36 | indicator | somiaj, yeah, I'm already at that point |
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| 14:44.12 | indicator | my filesystems cannot however be found |
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| 14:44.45 | somiaj | indicator: well unless we get some info as to what you upgraded to/from and what version of debian you are running (such as paste your sources.list) can only really give you generic advise. Boot up into a livecd. Mount your root file system, along with /proc, /dev, /sys inside of it and anyother mounts you need. Chroot into it and fix things. |
| 14:45.16 | indicator | somiaj, I cannot mount my root filesystem...... |
| 14:45.23 | nabblet | somiaj: ok, i see named when doing ps -A |
| 14:45.26 | indicator | I'm trying to figure out why |
| 14:45.35 | nabblet | somiaj: so i guess named is the trouble maker |
| 14:45.36 | DammitJim | lol... can one get bc to automatically start with scale = 3 or something like that? |
| 14:45.40 | DammitJim | didn't see any options in bc -h |
| 14:46.01 | brandonj | is there some way I can get apt to tell me why a certain package was held back when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
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| 14:46.18 | indicator | somiaj, if I can mount my rootfs, I'll tell you EVERYTHING you want to know |
| 14:46.20 | somiaj | indicator: that isn't very useful. Why can you not mount it. What sort of errors are you getting? Are you sure you are trying to mount the right partition. |
| 14:46.51 | indicator | somiaj, I am absolutely 100% certain |
| 14:46.53 | somiaj | nabblet: if you want to just use the net, I would put a 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' in your resolve.conf (That is google) and then go from there |
| 14:46.57 | themill | brandonj: what are you upgrading from and to? |
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| 14:47.56 | somiaj | indicator: well I cannot guess your setup. I know nothing except you used some crudy gui update manager and broke things. if you can provide info like 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' (or whateer your main hd is), along with the errors you get when you try to mount your root file system (And the exact command you wrote) we can't really be of much more help. |
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| 14:48.06 | indicator | somiaj, why I cannot mount it, well, mount tells me I need to specify the filesystem, which is ext3... Of course, when specifying such, it tells me that it's the wrong filesystem or doesn't exist |
| 14:48.08 | brandonj | themill: I have iceweasel installed from experimental, and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' reports that a newer version is available but being held back. I'd guess it's probably because it has some dependency that's not pushed to experimental yet or something, but I'd like to make sure |
| 14:49.03 | indicator | somiaj, I already posted information about fdisk -l |
| 14:49.08 | indicator | somiaj, sec |
| 14:49.08 | somiaj | brandonj: have you looked at apt-cache policy <package name> |
| 14:49.16 | indicator | my layout is as follows per ordered partition scheme (sda1-5), 7, 5, 7, 82, 83 |
| 14:49.28 | themill | brandonj: do you have pinning for iceweasel and its dependencies there? "aptitude upgrade -t experimental iceweasel" would be more likely to work |
| 14:49.35 | indicator | looking at the partition table via fdisk, there's a few curious notes "partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary" and "partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary" |
| 14:49.53 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.58 | fbs | <.< |
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| 14:50.22 | brandonj | themill: that's worked, thanks |
| 14:50.57 | brandonj | using packages from experimental is new territory for me |
| 14:51.11 | somiaj | indicator: An upgrade should have not changed your partition table. So I would assume those partition boundary warnings are from when you originally made the parititon table. |
| 14:51.18 | indicator | somiaj, did you want the start/end blocks for each partition as well? |
| 14:51.27 | indicator | oh okay |
| 14:51.29 | indicator | I wasn't sure |
| 14:51.38 | somiaj | indicator: I don't know enough about details to do much good with that. But I don't think that is your problem. upgrades do not mess with partition tables |
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| 14:52.07 | somiaj | indicator: are you sure you have the right disk. Do you have multiple hd's or usb hd's on your system? |
| 14:52.11 | indicator | ah, so where should I look for the problem? Blkid doesn't report the filesystems on the disk |
| 14:52.20 | indicator | somiaj, there's only 1 disk... |
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| 14:52.38 | indicator | and this is most definitely it |
| 14:52.59 | somiaj | indicator: could it be your disk has just gone bad then? |
| 14:52.59 | indicator | it would be kind of crazy if suddenly, I have another disk with the exact same layout |
| 14:53.23 | somiaj | indicator: or your mobo (sometimes a SATA wire will go bad giving you strange info form disks) |
| 14:53.30 | indicator | I'm not sure.. doesn't seem like it and the disc utility that came with my laptop says its good |
| 14:53.30 | indicator | so, idk |
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| 14:53.51 | somiaj | brandonj: experimentail is just pinned low by default so you only install packages you want from there and don't upgrade to them automatically |
| 14:53.59 | indicator | I tried plugging it in externally, but the same exact things happen |
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| 14:54.14 | brandonj | somiaj: yeah, that makes sense |
| 14:54.50 | somiaj | indicator: well I would proabaly have to play around with it to see what the problem is. I think you have some other issue with your system and the upgrade just happened to coensided with it showing itself. |
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| 14:55.00 | somiaj | indicator: what livecd are you using? |
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| 14:55.58 | indicator | somiaj, it's just an ubuntu livecd |
| 14:56.02 | indicator | 11.04 |
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| 14:56.59 | somiaj | indicator: are you sure you file system was ext3 and not ext4? |
| 14:57.05 | somiaj | (or some other filesystem)? |
| 14:57.33 | indicator | I'm 100% certain |
| 14:57.46 | indicator | even if it isn't, I tried all of the others |
| 14:57.47 | indicator | same problem |
| 14:57.56 | indicator | blkid should in fact report the filesystem |
| 14:58.04 | indicator | it doesn't however |
| 14:59.09 | brandonj | have you tried fsck? |
| 14:59.40 | brandonj | that might be able to recognize a broken filesystem |
| 14:59.43 | somiaj | indicator: well if mount -t ext3 /dev/sdwhatevea /mntpoint isn't working, you have a corrupt drive/file system. Yea listen to brandonj and make see if the filesystem just got messed up somehow. |
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| 15:00.10 | brandonj | I'd recommend running it without the option that automatically fixes errors first |
| 15:00.21 | somiaj | from the info given I'm betting a bad drive or mobo. |
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| 15:00.58 | ChrisH | dmesg might show some addiional information |
| 15:01.00 | indicator | brandonj, just run without options? |
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| 15:01.24 | brandonj | indicator: which filesystem is it supposed to be? |
| 15:01.29 | brandonj | ext4? |
| 15:01.30 | brandonj | 3? |
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| 15:01.56 | ChrisH | blkid, fdisk -l might help |
| 15:02.24 | indicator | ext3. I just ran fschk.ext3 and the first thing that popped up was "one or more block group descriptor checksums are invalid. Fix?<y>" |
| 15:02.25 | brandonj | if it's ext4 I'd do 'fsck.ext4 /dev/whatever |
| 15:02.36 | brandonj | ah |
| 15:02.48 | brandonj | well, I don't really know what that means |
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| 15:03.05 | brandonj | you could say yes and let fsck do it's thing, but it's possible that will bork it more |
| 15:03.10 | brandonj | consider making a copy with dd first |
| 15:03.27 | brandonj | if you want to be careful with your data, that is |
| 15:03.40 | indicator | meh... |
| 15:03.52 | somiaj | yea sounding like a corrupt file system. did you check dmesg indicator as ChrisH suggested (it could be speweing out lots of drive errors) |
| 15:04.02 | brandonj | yes, check dmesg |
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| 15:04.21 | brandonj | I'd look at dmesg right after trying to mount it |
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| 15:05.20 | umpalumpa | Guest72247: hi :) it's me |
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| 15:06.13 | umpalumpa | umpalumpa2 hi |
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| 15:06.20 | umpalumpa2 | hi |
| 15:07.11 | umpalumpa2 | Hi! |
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| 15:07.43 | themill | umpalumpa2, umpalumpa: perhaps you were looking for #defocus or /query? |
| 15:08.26 | indicator | somiaj, ext3-fs (sdb5): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev deb5. |
| 15:08.40 | indicator | since blkid wont report the filesystem, seems logical that mounting it would do nothing |
| 15:08.40 | ampalampa | themill: no, i am just introducing him to irc, becuase he has a debian question i can not help him with, and i changed my nick so that people replying to him will not confuse me with him |
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| 15:09.07 | ampalampa | themill: setup is done now ;) so no more nick-changing |
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| 15:09.41 | umpalumpa2 | I´m having a problem with a DNS server which is set up with debian 6. First, I know almost nothing about any linux command line. |
| 15:11.29 | umpalumpa2 | [15:11:10] Benedict Simlinger: my resolv.conf specfies "nameserver 127.0.0.1" as primary name server and i am running named, but /etc/named.conf is missing |
| 15:11.29 | jhutchins_wk | umpalumpa2: http://linuxcommand.org/ http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html |
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| 15:12.10 | umpalumpa2 | any DNS-requests to 127.0.0.1 on that specific server and dns-requests to this computer from other computers time out |
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| 15:14.43 | jhutchins_wk | umpalumpa2: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 15:14.49 | ampalampa | umpalumpa2: ok, i'm reading http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html maybe i can help you further |
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| 15:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | umpalumpa2: It's not point-and-click, you do need some background on how DNS works. |
| 15:15.19 | ampalampa | umpalumpa2: is there a file /var/named/named.conf ? |
| 15:15.51 | umpalumpa2 | I have some basic knowledge about dns, but not commandline under linux, sorry |
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| 15:16.09 | jhutchins_wk | umpalumpa2: So you're gonna learn. |
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| 15:16.37 | umpalumpa2 | root@ghana:/home/ghana# cat /var/named/named.conf |
| 15:16.37 | umpalumpa2 | cat: /var/named/named.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 15:16.48 | ampalampa | umpalumpa2: hm :/ |
| 15:17.19 | themill | is a local name server actually installed? |
| 15:17.40 | igormorg1do | heya! I was running a badblock test in a remote terminal, but I lost the connection. Any way show where on disk the FD is pointing to? in this way I can know if they are about to finish or not. |
| 15:17.46 | umpalumpa2 | yes, the named service is running |
| 15:19.02 | jhutchins_wk | igormorg1do: You might look into using screen on connections that could drop. |
| 15:19.07 | themill | umpalumpa2: debian uses /etc/bind/ for configuration. use /etc/bind/named.conf.options for configuration and /etc/bind/named.conf.local to load zone files. |
| 15:19.10 | indicator | somiaj, brandonj, I'm not sure if I should copy the extended partition or sdb5 (83 Linux partition) |
| 15:19.22 | igormorg1do | jhutchins_wk: i know. too late now. |
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| 15:20.49 | somiaj | indicator: have you been trying to mount the 'extended' partition? |
| 15:21.54 | indicator | somiaj, no.. in fact, I think it would be a good idea to try that |
| 15:22.12 | indicator | I don't know how to mount that though |
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| 15:22.32 | umpalumpa2 | themill: thank u, that´s the file. since I´m totally new to command line, stupid question: how do I edit that file? |
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| 15:22.49 | themill | umpalumpa2: "nano filename" is probably the easiest for you. |
| 15:24.30 | umpalumpa2 | Ok, thanks, chages done, ctrl + x will also save the changes? |
| 15:24.35 | ampalampa | umpalumpa2: if you are already inside naon, control+G will give you the help |
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| 15:25.08 | somiaj | indicator: it won't mount, I was just double checking. |
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| 15:28.23 | indicator | somiaj, oh, okay |
| 15:29.16 | ampalampa | themill: guess named will need a restart for the new settings, right? afaik he want's to change the nameservers named is using, so the best way to check succes would be to tcpdump or something like that i guess |
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| 15:31.30 | julius_ | this rsync -ai output: <f..t...... does mean that the modification time on the target file is updated right? but why do i see a percentage going up and a mb/s count if its only changing the time |
| 15:31.46 | igormorg1do | anyway to redirect old pts to a new one? devpts does not allow me to write a new pts file to point to my actual pts. I could do it in past (when /dev/ was just another directory full of files) =) |
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| 15:32.10 | Maraakate | hey fellas |
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| 15:32.56 | umpalumpa2_ | wonderful, after restart everything worked. themill: great thanks to u! |
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| 15:35.41 | UukGoblin | is it possible to provide an answer to a "changed config" question in a pre-seed file? |
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| 15:40.36 | themill | julius_: rsync still has to compare the files and that requires sending data back and forth. It may well be comparing the next file by then too. |
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| 15:41.06 | themill | UukGoblin: you shouldn't get changed config questions at install time |
| 15:41.11 | julius_ | ok, the percentage makes sense, but mb/s? |
| 15:41.16 | somiaj | UukGoblin: seems like a strange request, preseed is for an instalation and you shouldn't have any config files already installed. The changed config is an upgrade option, and you can tell apt to answer yes or no for those types of questions during the upgrade. |
| 15:41.43 | themill | julius_: well it has to transfer data to be able to see if the files are the same |
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| 15:42.32 | julius_ | the mb/s and percentage show up after it shows the file status |
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| 15:42.43 | UukGoblin | themill, somiaj so I have a config file that's managed by Chef (/etc/default/4store), and when 4store gets upgraded by apt-get (which is also invoked from Chef), it asks what to do with the config file and therefore breaks |
| 15:43.03 | UukGoblin | wondering how to make it default to leave my file |
| 15:43.17 | UukGoblin | perhaps pre-seed isn't a good way to do it |
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| 15:44.07 | invariant | UukGoblin, in good packages you can generally overrride the configuration without modifying distribution files. |
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| 15:44.27 | themill | invariant: that's unlikely for things in /etc/default |
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| 15:44.57 | UukGoblin | I think what I need for now is to get chef to put the config file AFTER it installs the package ;-] |
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| 15:45.12 | somiaj | UukGoblin: well I think you didn't undestandthat pre-seeds are for installs. Upgrades are different. Does apt prompt you if you want to keep the original file config file or use the new version? |
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| 15:45.47 | UukGoblin | somiaj, normal apt prompts me. apt-get -q -y (as run by Chef) exits with 100 and breaks the chef run |
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| 15:46.25 | somiaj | well that is what is going on, your -y is telling apt to say yes, install the new config file. |
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| 15:47.03 | johndoe | can i use jackaudio to play audio on another computer from this one? |
| 15:47.12 | johndoe | ie. client-server architecture |
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| 15:50.52 | UukGoblin | somiaj, nah, it doesn't install the new config file, it just exits with 100. |
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| 15:51.10 | antithesis | Hello |
| 15:51.32 | antithesis | Is it true that Debian is working towards being an FSF-approved distro again? |
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| 15:52.35 | somiaj | I haven't heard of such things, but debian follows it DSFG |
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| 15:53.55 | somiaj | I doubt debian will ever reject non-free, so that may keep it from becomming approved |
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| 15:54.44 | abrotman | were they ever FSF approved? |
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| 15:56.12 | nkuttler | also removing non-free would remove some GNU documentation :p |
| 15:56.20 | somiaj | yea seems that is the cructh for being approved. gnu.org seems to say debian main is free in their since, but since debian provides non-free and there are many resources that recomend the uses of non-free firmware or packages they don't want to improve it. |
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| 15:56.54 | somiaj | "However, the problem partly remains: the installer in some cases recommends these nonfree firmware files for the peripherals on the machine." |
| 15:57.37 | demona | hm, lots of packages missing from wheezy that are in sid. I might re-think this and try to rebuild INX from sid instead of wheezy |
| 15:58.06 | nkuttler | demona: what's missing? |
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| 15:58.27 | antithesis | nkuttler some GNU documentation is non-free? |
| 15:59.00 | nkuttler | antithesis: yes, according to the DFSG |
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| 15:59.27 | invariant | The FSF is going to Wall Street next spring. |
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| 15:59.55 | nkuttler | !tell antithesis about gfdl |
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| 16:00.52 | xrated | Does anyone know a good tool to measure I/O performance? We want to measure performance between filesystems at my office. |
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| 16:00.58 | ksk | atop? |
| 16:01.04 | ksk | erm no |
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| 16:01.22 | abrotman | xrated: iotop bonnie |
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| 16:01.23 | babilen | xrated: bonnie++ |
| 16:01.23 | ksk | take a look at bonny" |
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| 16:01.30 | ksk | or with ie :> |
| 16:01.36 | abrotman | also, iostat |
| 16:01.40 | paxcoder | suggestions for a password manager, please |
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| 16:01.51 | babilen | paxcoder: keepassx, revelelation |
| 16:01.55 | ksk | paxcoder: keepass, its cross-plattform |
| 16:01.56 | babilen | *revelation |
| 16:01.56 | invariant | Doesn't bonnie++ mostly measure hardware? |
| 16:01.57 | abrotman | paxcoder: GUI or CLI ? |
| 16:01.58 | antithesis | nkuttler Is it because the documentation discriminates against people who like proprietary software?? |
| 16:02.05 | xrated | keepassx is what I use paxcoder |
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| 16:02.22 | xrated | Thanks for the I/O benchmark suggestions |
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| 16:02.38 | invariant | xrated, I don't think any of those solutions are actual solutions to your problem. |
| 16:02.41 | paxcoder | abramart, i don't really care, but it should be cross platform, i'd carry it on a usb stick |
| 16:02.51 | paxcoder | abrotman,* |
| 16:03.21 | paxcoder | abrotman, so probably a GUI :-) |
| 16:03.38 | paxcoder | xrated, ksk, babilen will look into, thanks |
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| 16:05.16 | xrated | invariant, well, I'm looking up examples of bonnie++ usage and the output seems to tell me sequential read/write times which is what I want |
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| 16:05.54 | xrated | So I think running the same command on both file systems a few times and averaging out results should give me a good set of data |
| 16:06.05 | xrated | (different file systems same specs otherwise) |
| 16:06.34 | invariant | xrated, you want to clear caches probably to. |
| 16:06.38 | invariant | xrated, too |
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| 16:07.15 | invariant | xrated, yes, based on bonnie++ you can build something that you want, but what you really want seems to be something that's about a week of development away from bonnie++. |
| 16:07.26 | GomoX | Hello |
| 16:07.31 | GomoX | What's a good channel to talk to package maintainers? |
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| 16:07.45 | GomoX | I need some guidance on building a package |
| 16:07.45 | invariant | GomoX, a mailing list. |
| 16:07.49 | GomoX | :( |
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| 16:08.04 | invariant | GomoX, for building a package, you should just read the manual. |
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| 16:08.19 | invariant | GomoX, there are 40000 packages. That sort of shows that it works. |
| 16:08.30 | themill | GomoX: have you already had a bash at making your own package? |
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| 16:08.40 | GomoX | No 2nd thoughts there, I have built packages, I have to do something different now. |
| 16:08.57 | themill | invariant: that's not as helpful as you seem to think :( |
| 16:09.07 | themill | dpkg: tell GomoX about mentors |
| 16:09.09 | GomoX | I have a PHP system that can deploy multiple instances on a single server |
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| 16:09.25 | GomoX | It creates many Apache virtual hosts, has helper scripts, etc |
| 16:09.33 | invariant | themill, I don't see any reason for help with building a deb, since I am sure that I also wouldn't need it. |
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| 16:09.50 | themill | invariant: if you don't want to help someone, don't answer them |
| 16:09.56 | GomoX | But it tries to package every instance inside its own folder to keeps things organized (config, logs, etc), that doesn't quite "match" the debian way |
| 16:10.07 | invariant | themill, I helped by saying that they should read the manual. |
| 16:10.12 | GomoX | So I'd like some advise on how to build the package |
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| 16:10.15 | themill | invariant: which manual? |
| 16:10.23 | GomoX | It's not a single binary that I have to deploy |
| 16:10.32 | invariant | themill, the one you can easily find if you look for it. |
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| 16:10.43 | inspire | GomoX: So what's your specific problem? |
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| 16:10.58 | delas | hi |
| 16:11.07 | GomoX | See above i kind of described it |
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| 16:11.16 | GomoX | My instances are placed on a subfolder of /var/deploys |
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| 16:11.26 | inspire | GomoX: Well, so far packaging a bunch of files is not really a question. |
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| 16:11.46 | GomoX | OK, for example |
| 16:12.02 | GomoX | Say, /var/deploys/<instance>/logs, config, etc is there |
| 16:12.07 | themill | GomoX: are you packaging your scripts for making deployments? or packaging a virtual host? |
| 16:12.26 | GomoX | I have default config templates that are then processed to generate config files for each instance |
| 16:12.29 | xrated | invariant, why would you think that |
| 16:12.30 | GomoX | Including vhost files |
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| 16:13.05 | inspire | GomoX: You can put stuff anywhere in the file tree via a package... |
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| 16:13.37 | inspire | GomoX: And you can use the preinst and postinst scripts to generate or process stuff at installtime... |
| 16:13.37 | themill | GomoX: so you could package your templates in /usr/share/gomoxscripts/templates and your scripts to generate a deployment from that in /usr/bin if you wanted. |
| 16:14.03 | GomoX | OK looks like here is a good place to ask after all |
| 16:14.13 | GomoX | I will go back to my thoughts and come back with some more concrete questions .) |
| 16:14.23 | GomoX | Thanks |
| 16:14.30 | inspire | GomoX: Good luck. |
| 16:14.45 | GomoX | (I don't have it figured out yet, I'm just doing some preliminary research on the best way to build the thing) |
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| 16:15.21 | inspire | I wish there was a way to "register" an action, such as an apache bounce, for after all packages are handled by apt... |
| 16:15.24 | themill | GomoX: no worries. More detailed help on packaging things for debian itself is in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- they'll help with other packaging-related questions too, but make sure you're up-front about whether you're building things for internal use or for debian |
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| 16:16.49 | GomoX | It's for internal use in our cloud platform and distribution to customers - is that frowned upon? |
| 16:17.00 | demona | nkuttler: a little over 70 packages, that I'm auditing now. Some are Ubuntu-specific, but others show as being available in sid but not wheezy, like ceni. |
| 16:17.05 | GomoX | I'll make sure and be very secretive about it ;-) |
| 16:17.18 | themill | inspire: DPkg::Post-Invoke might be useful for you for that |
| 16:17.40 | demona | not ceni, sorry. defoma. And others :) |
| 16:17.44 | themill | inspire: that said, maintainer scripts generally do that for you if needed. |
| 16:17.50 | inspire | themill: Oh, I'm not going to change our packaging system any time soon, hopefully, It all works at the moment. |
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| 16:18.32 | inspire | themill: There is no way, as far as I know, to tell apt to bounce services after *all* packages are done. |
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| 16:18.55 | inspire | themill: E.g., upgrade A, B, C.. *then* bounce service A. |
| 16:19.02 | nkuttler | ,v defoma |
| 16:19.03 | judd | Package: defoma on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.10-0.2; squeeze: 0.11.11 |
| 16:19.27 | nkuttler | demona: defoma is deprecated and not in sid |
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| 16:20.05 | demona | shows up in sid: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=defoma |
| 16:20.15 | themill | inspire: if B and C are related to A and A's packaging has been triggerised, then dpkg will do that for you. Sometimes apt needs to do several dpkg runs and then you will have multiple bounces depending on how the triggers were set up |
| 16:20.18 | themill | demona: not any more |
| 16:20.29 | themill | !defoma |
| 16:20.29 | dpkg | Defoma (DEbian FOnt MAnager) is an automatic font configuration framework. Manually adding FontPath lines in <xorg.conf> (ref. /usr/share/doc/x-ttcidfont-conf/README.Debian) is not necessary since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". Deprecated by <fontconfig> and removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #651494. |
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| 16:20.43 | demona | Yeah, I think I'll start over with sid as base instead of wheezy |
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| 16:22.09 | themill | demona: wheezy is a consistent distribution, sid is not. Working on top of wheezy will be easier. |
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| 16:22.22 | demona | Well, let me jump back a bit |
| 16:22.48 | demona | My goal is to update INX, which was last based on Ubuntu Lucid |
| 16:22.49 | themill | demona: and remembering that wheezy is what will be released as the next debian stable, there shouldn't be too much of interest to many people that's in sid and not wheezy. |
| 16:23.07 | demona | So I'm auditing the package selections list. |
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| 16:23.32 | themill | demona: right, so you need to filter that down to ignore crap that's no longer needed -- like defoma ;) |
| 16:24.31 | demona | The difficult part is deciding what's actually not needed |
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| 16:25.38 | themill | demona: yeah, well... wheezy is self-consistent for Depends, Recommends, Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep -- if a package no longer appears in any of those fields, then it's unlikely to be of interest any more. |
| 16:26.01 | themill | * (small lie.. there are a couple of broken Recommends that are likely to be ignored for wheezy) |
| 16:26.20 | demona | For instance, the old selection list has 3 versions of libdb listed. I'd just replace it with one newer version, but I don't see *any* newer version available for wheezy, just squeeze and sid. |
| 16:26.33 | inspire | themill: So you're saying if I have packages foo-bin and foo-conf, and *either* of those needs to bounch apache, there is a way so that the upgrade of either or both of those could call for only one apache bounce, after -bin and/or -conf are installed and their postconf scripts run? |
| 16:26.50 | inspire | s/bounch/bounce/ |
| 16:27.00 | themill | ,v libdb5.1 |
| 16:27.01 | judd | Package: libdb5.1 on i386 -- sid: 5.1.29-5; wheezy: 5.1.29-5 |
| 16:27.05 | themill | demona: ^^ for instance? |
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| 16:27.24 | demona | ah, that page was longer than the others, didn't scroll down far enough |
| 16:27.30 | themill | inspire: you do it via triggers rather than in the postinst. |
| 16:27.45 | inspire | themill: OK, I'll research that. |
| 16:27.50 | themill | demona: sounds like you need to download the Packages file and use grep-dctrl on it (or even just grep...) |
| 16:28.21 | demona | Right now I'm working from the selections list and using apt-cache search, in conjunction with searching packages.debian.org |
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| 16:28.45 | themill | inspire: deb-triggers(5) may be useful |
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| 16:31.45 | themill | demona: I wonder if turning INX into a debian blend rather than a derivative would be a better use of your time here. |
| 16:32.05 | demona | Well, I'm trying to turn it into a DEbian-based distro rather than Ubuntu-based |
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| 16:32.50 | sney | demona: are you planning to use anything that isn't available in debian? |
| 16:33.03 | themill | yeah, I understand that. I'm just wondering if there's any need to be a derivative at all -- a blend can be a selection of packages and some extra custom configuration thrown in to then give you the results you want |
| 16:33.16 | demona | Not at the moment. It would be nice to make it more distro-agnostic, but first I just wanted to update it while changing it as little as possible |
| 16:33.21 | kisisten | hi, trying to install grub-legacy but a can't seem to accomplish this task, all I get it "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub" and "Unknown partition table signature" after running the command " grub-install /dev/xvda" |
| 16:33.30 | sney | plus with blends you don't need to provide your own support, your users can just come here |
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| 16:34.03 | demona | themill: is there any particular documentation in making blends? Other than package selection, INX apparently just consists of a couple directories of script glue and some minimal sensible default dotfiles |
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| 16:34.18 | sney | !blend |
| 16:34.18 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:35.35 | demona | I don't see any documentation on the blends project page |
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| 16:37.28 | demona | Okay, I found http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/ if it isn't superceded by newer docs |
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| 16:55.27 | Danic | Hey there! I am compiling Cherokee Web Server and need to ask you about something that is described in the installation instructions (https://github.com/cherokee/webserver/blob/master/doc/basics_installation_git.txt). They say I should include this to the autogen.sh command (which is then passed to ./configure) "--prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --enable-trace". Now the |
| 16:55.27 | Danic | questions: Do I need to pass those parameters at all? Aren't there Debian specific defaults? Shouldn't the prefix be /usr/local? |
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| 16:56.56 | confusid | I have xfce 4.6.2, if I wanted to upgrade to the newest on backports would I use apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xfce4 ? |
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| 17:01.51 | babilen | confusid: xfce4 is not in squeeze-backports |
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| 17:06.46 | confusid | ah ok.. ty |
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| 17:21.36 | somiaj | confusid: seems you could create your own, /msg dpkg ssbp (according to judd squeeze meets all the build-depends) |
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| 17:25.09 | confusid | somiaj: thank you!! |
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| 17:29.10 | wolf29 | logrotate conf file has a line that is supposed to rotate the log of my application every week or every 500M, whichever comes first. It ignores the size 500M line, but I cannot find anything in the man page that says 500M is an illegal value. It does cast an error on size 500m. |
| 17:29.39 | wolf29 | 36GB log files really cannot be very useful anyway. |
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| 17:37.16 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 17:38.40 | emraan | DVD Debian 6.0.6 contains KDE .yes or no |
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| 17:41.15 | emraan | DVD1 Debian 6.0.6 contains KDE .yes or no |
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| 17:44.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell emraan -about cd content |
| 17:44.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell emraan -about install kde |
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| 17:44.38 | babilen | emraan: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 17:45.16 | emraan | yes |
| 17:45.45 | babilen | emraan: In that case you don't even need DVD1, but you can install KDE during the installation (as explained in "/msg dpkg install kde") or afterwards |
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| 17:46.21 | babilen | I would recommend the netinstall image in that case. But lets see if KDE is on DVD1 in order to answer your original question. |
| 17:46.32 | babilen | BTW, on what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 17:47.21 | themill | there's a kde cd1 if you want (or just install it after) |
| 17:47.32 | babilen | Looks like kde-plasma-desktop is on DVD1 -- http://cdimage-search.debian.org/?search_area=release&type=simple&query=kde-plasma-desktop&Search=Search&.cgifields=search_area&.cgifields=type and there is also the CD1 |
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| 17:47.42 | emraan | usb |
| 17:48.37 | babilen | emraan: All those images are <hybrid images> and can be used to install from USB as detailed in <usb install> ("/msg dpkg usb install") |
| 17:48.47 | babilen | emraan: On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
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| 17:50.33 | emraan | PC |
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| 17:52.00 | roaet | hello. Is it normal to chroot in preseed late_command? |
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| 17:53.05 | dagerik | when i break in the main function in gdb and enter disas main, there is no arrow inducating current instruction. whats up with that |
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| 18:04.18 | dagerik | i am running debian stable but i need newer version of some package, how do i do that? |
| 18:04.48 | dondelelcaro | dagerik: if it's in backports.debian.org, use that. |
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| 18:21.56 | Morgawr | hello everyone.. can somebody tell me which version of the eglibc is used under debian? Or where can I check for the version? (debian wheezy, that is) |
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| 18:23.49 | gturner | ,v libc6 |
| 18:23.51 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-37; wheezy: 2.13-37; experimental: 2.16-0experimental1 |
| 18:24.18 | Morgawr | so it's 2.13-37? |
| 18:24.31 | gturner | yes |
| 18:25.09 | Morgawr | thank you |
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| 18:27.42 | Morgawr | what's the command to download the source of a package directly from the debian repos? |
| 18:28.25 | gturner | Morgawr: apt-get source [package-name] |
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| 18:29.34 | s0urd | whats the apt-get command to search for a program |
| 18:30.18 | pickcoder | apt-cache search |
| 18:31.12 | cusco | hmm.. what would be the channel to ask generic questions about SMTP? |
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| 18:32.28 | paxcoder | cusco, probably some mailing server dev channel, perhaps #dovecote |
| 18:32.38 | paxcoder | #dovecot |
| 18:32.47 | cusco | dovecot is a imap server |
| 18:32.54 | cusco | and pop |
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| 18:32.58 | cusco | does not perform smtp |
| 18:33.10 | paxcoder | oh. nvm then, you know more than i |
| 18:33.25 | cusco | :| |
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| 18:33.47 | paxcoder | #postfix ? |
| 18:33.55 | s0urd | do you even need an AV on linux? |
| 18:34.01 | cusco | thing is my question is generic, not postfix related |
| 18:34.12 | paxcoder | cusco, there is no #smtp channel |
| 18:34.21 | cusco | s0urd: in linux we believe its better users deciding their own needs |
| 18:34.30 | cusco | I tried, its very small |
| 18:34.41 | paxcoder | it's * |
| 18:35.08 | Gaeru | Mmmm, is it possible to login and 'startx' at boot automatically? |
| 18:35.15 | cusco | yes my sentences are never capitalised or punctuated correctly |
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| 18:35.39 | paxcoder | cusco, i'm not sure what you want from me, should I round up #networking crew and make them come to #smtp just to answer your question? |
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| 18:36.00 | paxcoder | cusco, yes, that's why you're constantly corrected |
| 18:36.43 | paxcoder | Gaeru, why don't you use *DM? |
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| 18:37.07 | cusco | paxcoder: I am not constantly corrected, in fact I think you're the only one who corrected me so far... perhaps you did not like me stating that dovecot was not appropriate? |
| 18:37.14 | cusco | anyway I don't really care |
| 18:37.27 | cusco | ... |
| 18:37.34 | paxcoder | no, i didn't like its and before that ":|" |
| 18:37.36 | cusco | while using swaks, it connects to the remote smtp just fine |
| 18:37.48 | cusco | however, using nc, I get no reply from the smtp server |
| 18:37.53 | cusco | and I can't figure out why |
| 18:38.00 | paxcoder | also, overall attitude |
| 18:38.01 | dondelelcaro | s0urd: normally it's only useful when you're sending mail or files to non-linux users |
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| 18:38.38 | Gaeru | paxcoder: I wouldn't have an use-case for them, other than type user/password and hit enter, which is basically the same as login/password, startx. |
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| 18:39.21 | cusco | paxcoder: I believe i'm not offending any one thus am not interesed in you liking or not liking my 'its' rather than "it's" |
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| 18:39.34 | cusco | also my atitude is pretty neutral |
| 18:39.37 | mtn | Gaeru, you can auto login with things like gdm |
| 18:39.38 | dagerik | when i hit the man pages and start searching for a switch e.g. /-S, i need to skip lots of hits before i actually get to the actual description of the option. how can i jump directly? |
| 18:39.45 | wols | !its |
| 18:39.46 | dpkg | somebody said its was the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System |
| 18:40.11 | paxcoder | Gaeru, I think they have an option to auto-login. Othewise ask #ubuntu how they do it. Alternatively, I'm sure one can auto-identify at the shell but I don't know how. You could put startx in bashrc |
| 18:40.12 | dondelelcaro | dagerik: /\-S should usually find it quickly |
| 18:40.13 | s0urd | How do I add a user to sudo, so they're able to use sudo? |
| 18:40.23 | locojay1 | hi i m setting GRUB_DEFAULT='Xen 4.1-amd64' and using update-grub but generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg show set default='0' and does not boot the enrty set in /etc/default/grub |
| 18:40.23 | dondelelcaro | s0urd: visudo; man 5 suoders for details |
| 18:40.44 | dondelelcaro | s0urd: but in general, username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 18:40.49 | Gaeru | mtn, paxcoder: thank you both, I'll take a look. |
| 18:40.52 | engla_ | s0urd: normally you only need to add to the sudo group |
| 18:41.03 | s0urd | Yeah the sudo group |
| 18:41.20 | dagerik | dondelelcaro: that didnt work. but using /-S$ got me straight to it! |
| 18:41.24 | s0urd | how I do that |
| 18:41.25 | engla_ | you can check the sudoers file but you shouldn't need to edit it |
| 18:41.32 | dondelelcaro | s0urd: adduser user sudo; man adduser; |
| 18:41.37 | paxcoder | cusco, no |
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| 18:42.11 | wols | locojay1: last I chcked default only takes numbers |
| 18:42.13 | dondelelcaro | s0urd: if you %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL in your sudoers, you can use the sudo group. |
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| 18:42.34 | Lars_G | Good day. |
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| 18:43.00 | Lars_G | Question, in a standard normal debian desktop setup, which component/program is in charge of automounting usb drives? |
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| 18:44.31 | locojay1 | wols i tried setting a number but did not change i grub.cfg |
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| 18:45.19 | themill | Lars_G: gnome-volume-manager in squeeze; gvfs in wheezy |
| 18:45.34 | locojay1 | always see set default='0' |
| 18:45.39 | Lars_G | thank you themill |
| 18:45.43 | engla_ | in wheezy the backend is udisks |
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| 18:46.06 | cwong2012 | what happend to "moprobe -l" ? |
| 18:46.40 | Lars_G | themill: Is there an equiv mechanism you'd recommend that's daemon only? (no gui interaction part) |
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| 18:49.27 | themill | Lars_G: there are lots of ways to do this from autofs on |
| 18:49.44 | Lars_G | yeah |
| 18:49.48 | Lars_G | themill: I'll choose one. thanks |
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| 18:52.30 | BabyCorporate | hi im trying to install clamav |
| 18:53.02 | BabyCorporate | on debian on Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-27) |
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| 18:53.29 | BabyCorporate | (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) |
| 18:53.37 | Armand | O_o |
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| 18:54.22 | BabyCorporate | its not finding deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 18:54.30 | BabyCorporate | can you help plz |
| 18:54.31 | themill | dpkg: tell BabyCorporate about lenny |
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| 18:55.02 | BabyCorporate | themill: is there any way? |
| 18:55.16 | BabyCorporate | w out goign to squeeze |
| 18:55.18 | themill | To upgrade to squeeze? sure. What dpkg said. |
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| 18:57.52 | BabyCorporate | is there any way to get clamav on that old box |
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| 18:59.16 | Lars_G | BabyCorporate: Do you have build utils already installed? You MIGHT be able to compile. Maybe, maybe not |
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| 19:17.52 | BabyCorporate | Lars_G: trying to compile it needs zlib |
| 19:18.05 | BabyCorporate | but i can only see zlib1g |
| 19:18.16 | BabyCorporate | i installed that but its still asking for zlib |
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| 19:19.56 | Lars_G | BabyCorporate: WHo is asking for it? configure? |
| 19:20.26 | themill | BabyCorporate: or you could just upgrade to squeeze... |
| 19:20.41 | BabyCorporate | yes configure |
| 19:20.51 | BabyCorporate | themill: cant upgrade its a fileserver online |
| 19:21.05 | Lars_G | BabyCorporate: Get a new server, setup, and swap |
| 19:21.22 | Lars_G | BabyCorporate: It's probable the zlib version is not the one clamav needs |
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| 19:32.32 | BabyCorporate | actually the right zlib is lib32z1-dev |
| 19:32.38 | BabyCorporate | this one always gets me |
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| 19:39.21 | jjs999jjs | guys i am trying to add a user to access ftp i did it and he can access and see folders but he cannot edit or anything can someone advise please |
| 19:40.18 | inspire | jjs999jjs: Look in the server logs for clues? |
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| 19:50.29 | cwong2012 | dir perm? |
| 19:50.47 | jjs999jjs | no idea |
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| 20:02.41 | Sarajevo | i have this problem with an old monitor, philips 170C lcd |
| 20:02.44 | Sarajevo | it's not supported |
| 20:02.52 | alesan | hi, does debian offer cross-compilers? |
| 20:03.02 | Sarajevo | do I have to add it to xorg.conf manual |
| 20:03.04 | alesan | right now I am using a cross-compiler out of the internet |
| 20:03.06 | Sarajevo | manually* |
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| 20:09.19 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm trying to install debian for powerpc in qemu. I'm using the netboot package from sid. But the installer tells me that no kernel modules are available. What am I missing? |
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| 20:10.58 | xsappyx | alesan: debian has done a good job with cross compilers. embedian might be a good place to start digging in.. for example http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain |
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| 20:11.38 | xsappyx | BenNZ: */10 * * * * |
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| 20:11.55 | BenNZ | xsappyx: ok thanks ill try that |
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| 20:13.17 | BenNZ | xsappyx: also if i want to run something every 3 hours it should be , 0 */3 * * * command ? |
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| 20:13.58 | alesan | thanks xsappyx |
| 20:15.26 | xsappyx | BenNZ: ya, that would be good for every three hours, at the 0 minute |
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| 20:16.50 | gnarface | doesn't tell you which hour though |
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| 20:17.27 | BenNZ | gnarface: ok does it need to? |
| 20:17.39 | xsappyx | should be the 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,0 |
| 20:17.56 | BenNZ | xsappyx: thanks for the help , been confused , not sure why 0/10 * * * * command would run every hour tho |
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| 20:18.42 | BenNZ | xsappyx: so 0 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,0 * * * command ? |
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| 20:20.06 | xsappyx | BenNZ: you can do step values too look at crontab(5) at the "Step values can be used.." |
| 20:20.32 | BenNZ | xsappyx: ok thank you |
| 20:20.34 | xsappyx | BenNZ: the 0 */3 * * * and 0 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,0 * * * should be the same.. was saying to gnarface which hours it should be running |
| 20:20.53 | BenNZ | xsappyx: ok , i see |
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| 20:22.48 | acu | I installed an application called sift in Debian Wheezy, but I can not find it . I tried 'which sift', 'type sift' and just 'sift' at the prompt. Any ideas on how I can find / open the application? |
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| 20:24.06 | zykotick9 | acu: check "dpkg -L sift" assuming sift is package name |
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| 20:26.03 | acu | zycotick9, thanks, it worked |
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| 20:26.33 | zykotick9 | acu: fyi, TAB can be used on most irc client to autocomplete nicks |
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| 20:29.11 | resmo | hi |
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| 20:29.48 | resmo | how to I see the new version of the package, which is going to be updated? |
| 20:30.18 | zykotick9 | resmo: for just one package, "apt-cache policy foo" works |
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| 20:42.03 | bluesm | What is the difference between bash and dash ? |
| 20:43.21 | gnarface | bluesm: dash is supposed to be faster because its stripped of a lot of interactive features. it was intended to be a replacement generic sh to make stuff like boot scripts run faster. you wouldn't want to use it as your login shell |
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| 20:44.20 | gnarface | bluesm: (although in theory you probably could; bash will be far more pleasant) |
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| 20:47.15 | homiesGaming | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JYPDaX2-Zc A Legendary Parody to Far cry 3 of "Vaas" character including a very funny challenge(Hint: Green Pepper) |
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| 20:50.28 | bluesm | gnarface: So like a interface for stetted booting commands ? |
| 20:51.41 | gnarface | bluesm: more like an interface for any interactions with the system at all, not just booting commands, is what a shell is. |
| 20:52.26 | gnarface | bluesm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_shell |
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| 20:53.22 | gnarface | bluesm: if you read this it will make it all clear. |
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| 21:00.41 | gnarface | bluesm: i don't actually know what it was created for, but i know that you can instruct debian to use it as the default shell for booting, and you can keep bash as your user shell, and your boot process will take slightly less resources |
| 21:00.46 | inspire | bluesm: You understand that a shell takes commands -- interactive or scripted -- and passes them on to the underlying systems, libc and such, right? |
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| 21:01.56 | inspire | bluesm: For instance you type 'ls', and the shell translates that into a system call to create a list of files, and then the shell takes that data and fornats it somehow on the display... |
| 21:02.27 | bluesm | shell command > system call > kernel ... |
| 21:02.35 | inspire | bluesm: Right. All shells do that. |
| 21:02.46 | bluesm | I got it. And.. ? |
| 21:03.05 | inspire | The difference in shells is in features that make using them easier. Some shells, for instance, try to help you with tab completion, or by allowing programming type constructs. |
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| 21:03.47 | inspire | So bash, for instance, has lots of features like tab completion, a fairly fancy programming interface, (if/while/etc.). |
| 21:03.57 | inspire | The problem is that bash therefore takes more system resources. |
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| 21:04.33 | inspire | So for basic boot scripting, for instance, you don't need fancy tab completion and all sorts of bells and whistles. You just need something you can do basic commands with. |
| 21:05.15 | inspire | bluesm: So, there are many, many different shells, each with different strengths and weaknesses. And which one you use for a given purpose is very much a matter of taste (and a favorite source of flame wars.) |
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| 21:05.49 | gnarface | but bash is the best |
| 21:05.58 | inspire | LOL |
| 21:05.58 | gnarface | ducks |
| 21:07.19 | inspire | So as per dash vs. bash, you can look up the feature set, and syntax, and that would be your answer. |
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| 21:07.56 | bluesm | inspire: So debian created, the faster shell, where performance is needed, but have more basic function. Right? |
| 21:08.12 | inspire | Did debian create dash? |
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| 21:08.33 | inspire | In general, the more features, the heavier, and therefore more resource intensive. |
| 21:08.52 | inspire | I sort of doubt speed is an issue, so much as memory footprint. |
| 21:09.13 | bluesm | "The Debian Almquist shell (dash) " |
| 21:09.18 | inspire | Unless of course you're talking about EMACS... |
| 21:09.31 | inspire | bluesm: Ah, OK. I haven't really paid dash any mind. |
| 21:10.04 | inspire | I typically use bash, but then again, I only rarely deal with resource starved machines. |
| 21:11.28 | bluesm | inspire: starved machine ? |
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| 21:12.03 | inspire | bluesm: "resource starved machines" == low on memory or CPU. |
| 21:12.10 | inspire | Or sunk in swap. |
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| 21:12.46 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.06 | inspire | bluesm: You're welcome. So much for simple questions, eh? =) |
| 21:13.13 | Theoden | I am currently running wheezy. In the sources.lst it refers to 'wheezy'. Would it be better to change that to 'testing' so that when wheezy goes stable I just keep on tracking testing? |
| 21:13.32 | inspire | Theoden: Depends on whether you want to keep tracking testing or not. |
| 21:13.57 | Theoden | inspire: Well,initially, testing will simply be a copy of wheezy. |
| 21:14.05 | Theoden | Then it will begin to gpgrade. |
| 21:14.06 | inspire | Theoden: Yes, of course. |
| 21:14.10 | Theoden | update |
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| 21:14.21 | inspire | change, more like. "Upgrade" is maybe a stretch. |
| 21:14.32 | Theoden | inspire: Is there a downside to doing this? |
| 21:14.51 | inspire | But hey, I ran sid on a desktop for a while, so what do I know =) |
| 21:14.57 | inspire | Theoden: Downside would be less stability. |
| 21:15.23 | Theoden | inthe beginning? or all along - cause wheezy is very stable. |
| 21:15.26 | inspire | Theoden: And there *might* be a little less concern about stability fresh out of the gate, versus after a freeze... |
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| 21:15.55 | inspire | Theoden: If it were me, I'd stay w/ named releases, until I have a specific reason to upgrade. |
| 21:16.20 | bluesm | inspire: "So much" ? |
| 21:16.22 | Theoden | inspire: My eason would be Gnome 3.6 |
| 21:16.31 | Theoden | reason |
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| 21:17.18 | inspire | Theoden: Other option might be backports, I guess. Dunno, I don't truck with Gnome. |
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| 21:18.03 | Zeeflo | how close is wheezy to stable, any devs here who know? |
| 21:18.15 | inspire | Heh heh. |
| 21:18.20 | inspire | !wir |
| 21:18.20 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 21:18.43 | Zeeflo | im just wondering why stuff keeps being in testing.. |
| 21:18.47 | Zeeflo | its been ages |
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| 21:19.03 | Zeeflo | ive been using wheezy for quite a while now.. |
| 21:19.17 | inspire | I for one prefer it to take longer. But that's because I don't relish the idea of upgrading dozens of servers. |
| 21:19.17 | Zeeflo | i dont see any reason why it shouldnt roll out |
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| 21:19.58 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 21:20.03 | Zeeflo | the upgrade wasnt that bad |
| 21:20.13 | inspire | It sucked. |
| 21:20.16 | Zeeflo | not for me |
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| 21:20.25 | inspire | From Lenny to Squeeze? It was a royal pain. |
| 21:20.27 | Zeeflo | it actually solved alot of issues on my software |
| 21:20.39 | Zeeflo | from squeeze to wheezy, 5 mins.. |
| 21:20.40 | Zeeflo | i was rolling |
| 21:21.08 | inspire | Well, try that across 40+ servers, including all sorts of services, and Xen and so on. |
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| 21:21.21 | tremon | Zeeflo: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:21.25 | Zeeflo | well, if i was paid to do it, i would :) |
| 21:21.37 | inspire | Yep, getting paid does help. And I did. |
| 21:21.44 | inspire | But I'd rather code. *shrug* |
| 21:22.27 | Zeeflo | tremon, yea i looked at it a little while ago.. seems not alot has happened since, except more critical bugs coming along |
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| 21:24.36 | Theoden | Thanks inspire. Anyone else have an opinion on this? |
| 21:25.29 | themill | Theoden: avoiding the new testing immediately after release is often a good plan. Avoiding it for 3 to 12 months for it to settle a bit can be smart. |
| 21:25.35 | inspire | Theoden: Do note that you can very easily go from Wheezy to testing, but it's nearly impossible to go the other direction. |
| 21:25.57 | Zeeflo | i would stay out of testing if its a production machine |
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| 21:26.41 | inspire | Or if you're lazy. :-) |
| 21:26.54 | Zeeflo | yea hehe |
| 21:27.06 | Zeeflo | no seriously |
| 21:27.21 | inspire | Zeeflo: Yes seriously. You have some very good answers ^^ |
| 21:27.25 | Theoden | inspire: Now how do I answer that? :P |
| 21:27.45 | inspire | Oh, nm. |
| 21:27.46 | Zeeflo | if its a machine you wish to be somewhat stable, especially if other people depends on your machines stability, stay with squeeze or wheezy |
| 21:27.50 | inspire | Nick confusion here. |
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| 21:28.22 | Zeeflo | if its your home server, and you want to try it, go for it.. If you dont like the testing environment, delpurge and go with wheezy :) |
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| 21:28.55 | Theoden | Zeeflo: How long does it generally take testing to settle in to 'relative' stability? |
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| 21:29.06 | helena | I'm forever getting problems with loopback. |
| 21:29.16 | helena | This is awkward. |
| 21:29.24 | Zeeflo | Theoden, it can take from months to years |
| 21:30.03 | helena | I am trying to connect to stuff which listens on localhost which work fine and I'm getting connection refused. :/ |
| 21:30.06 | Zeeflo | it depends on the bugs, and how fast the community settles them |
| 21:30.24 | Zeeflo | helena? |
| 21:30.28 | helena | Is there another loopb |
| 21:30.39 | helena | Is there another loopback driver? |
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| 21:30.58 | Zeeflo | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:31.07 | helena | I am trying to fix loopback. |
| 21:31.09 | Theoden | Thanks inspire - Zeeflo - themill - I appreciate your help. :) |
| 21:31.29 | helena | Which has never worked ever since I installed Debian. |
| 21:31.32 | Zeeflo | helena, can you provide some error log? |
| 21:31.39 | helena | Zeeflo: How? |
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| 21:32.02 | themill | helena: the loopback interface works out of the box -- what have you done to change it? how are you configuring what piece of software to listen on loopback? |
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| 21:32.20 | helena | themill: I changed nothing. It didn't work out of the box. |
| 21:32.26 | inspire | helena: If you are getting connection refused, then it may not be networking. Connection refused means the syn went through, and got back a nack |
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| 21:32.37 | Zeeflo | what nic/motherboard is in your machine? |
| 21:32.46 | helena | inspire: If I listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:32.49 | themill | helena: this is not going to change if you don't try to at least provide some information. |
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| 21:32.56 | helena | I have to connect to ::1 or localhost |
| 21:33.00 | inspire | helena: What are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 21:33.02 | helena | now I can't connect at all |
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| 21:33.10 | inspire | helena: what port? What is listening? |
| 21:33.10 | helena | this is clearly problems with loopback |
| 21:33.17 | helena | inspire: MPD |
| 21:33.22 | helena | and bitlbee |
| 21:33.22 | Zeeflo | ive never heard of this before.. |
| 21:33.32 | Zeeflo | loopback just works.. |
| 21:33.33 | Zeeflo | :/ |
| 21:33.41 | themill | helena: well, installing the mpd package just works out of the box too... feel free to provide real information |
| 21:33.47 | inspire | helena: And these are listening, per netstat -plunt? |
| 21:33.48 | Zeeflo | is your networking config correct? |
| 21:33.53 | helena | I have to connect to MPD via ::1 even tho it's listening on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:34.10 | helena | 21:33 < inspire> helena: And these are listening, per netstat -plunt? |
| 21:34.16 | helena | sorry |
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| 21:35.21 | helena | Not anymore but they were listening. |
| 21:35.29 | helena | I changed nothing |
| 21:35.47 | helena | but what I hate is this |
| 21:36.08 | microcode | does anyone know why gnome-terminal may not be displaying text ? |
| 21:36.11 | helena | I listen on localhost and I can't connect via localhost and only via 127.0.0.1 b |
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| 21:36.28 | helena | but when I listen via 127.0.0.1 I can't connect via 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:36.30 | microcode | the UI like the menubar and such are all working, but the terminal emulator area is just blakc |
| 21:36.35 | microcode | s/bsakc/black/ |
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| 21:36.52 | microcode | oh geez |
| 21:36.57 | microcode | maybe I set the colours to both be black |
| 21:37.00 | helena | and I can't cope with these connection refused displaying all over my screen. :/ |
| 21:37.04 | inspire | helena: Do you have a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file? |
| 21:37.10 | microcode | there |
| 21:37.11 | microcode | :| |
| 21:37.16 | helena | inspire: Yes |
| 21:37.24 | helena | inspire: That's not the problem |
| 21:37.35 | helena | I can use the loopback hostname |
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| 21:37.47 | needle | then try connecting to 127.0.0.2 or 127.126.123.122 helena |
| 21:38.04 | helena | needle: Whyy? |
| 21:38.08 | helena | 127.0.0.1 works |
| 21:38.09 | Zeeflo | helena, could you pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 21:38.49 | needle | helena: netstat -rn would be nice too |
| 21:39.22 | helena | needle: Connection refused would be nice too? |
| 21:39.27 | helena | what u talkin about? |
| 21:39.30 | dagerik | i installed libmagic-dev bit ./configure still complains: error: missing libmagic library |
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| 21:39.43 | zykotick9 | i'd think /etc/hosts would be most enlightening... |
| 21:39.56 | Zeeflo | dagerik, aptitude search libmagic |
| 21:40.11 | helena | There is no |
| 21:40.12 | helena | cat: /etc/networking/interfaces: No such file or directory |
| 21:40.14 | helena | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.17 | Zeeflo | hehehe |
| 21:40.19 | helena | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.22 | Zeeflo | ok! |
| 21:40.24 | helena | I can't see what I'm tryping. |
| 21:40.26 | helena | :/ |
| 21:40.29 | Zeeflo | id say youre pretty much fubared! |
| 21:40.41 | themill | it's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:40.55 | Zeeflo | ah yea |
| 21:40.56 | Zeeflo | sorry |
| 21:40.58 | Zeeflo | my bad |
| 21:41.10 | Zeeflo | do cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:41.21 | Zeeflo | and put it in a pastebin (www.pastebin.ca) |
| 21:41.30 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm trying to install debian for powerpc in qemu. I'm using the netboot package from sid. But the installer tells me that no kernel modules are available. What am I missing? |
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| 21:41.36 | helena | http://paste.debian.net/215005/ |
| 21:41.37 | helena | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.45 | helena | :/ |
| 21:41.48 | Danic | lol |
| 21:41.57 | helena | sighs |
| 21:42.01 | themill | helena: please stop doing that... |
| 21:42.06 | helena | I need help |
| 21:42.11 | themill | quite. |
| 21:42.19 | dagerik | jesus christ. pastebinit still hasnt been update |
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| 21:42.26 | helena | Error msgs are getting in the way. |
| 21:42.26 | dagerik | what tool can i use to make pastebins |
| 21:42.35 | themill | dagerik: pastebinit works. |
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| 21:42.50 | themill | dpkg: tell dagerik about pastebinit config |
| 21:42.53 | Danic | I compiled Cherokee Web Server. The binaries and everything else is now located in /usr/local and its subdirectories. Even my config files are under /usr/local/etc/... Aren't config files supposed to always be in /etc/...??? |
| 21:42.58 | Zeeflo | helena, and youre positively using eth1 ? |
| 21:43.02 | Zeeflo | standard is eth0 |
| 21:43.09 | rozie | helena: check if both ifaces are up |
| 21:43.13 | helena | Zeeflo: No wlan0 |
| 21:43.21 | helena | OMFG |
| 21:43.23 | helena | :/ |
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| 21:44.12 | gnarface | helena: do you have avahi running? |
| 21:44.35 | helena | http://ompldr.org/vZ2x2Zg |
| 21:45.02 | helena | gnarface: idk |
| 21:45.02 | streuner | helena: that was a yes/no question! :-P |
| 21:45.08 | helena | streuner: ? |
| 21:45.17 | streuner | <gnarface> helena: do you have avahi running? |
| 21:45.18 | rozie | helena: ip a | grep UP |
| 21:45.35 | streuner | helena: there is only on answer allowed :-P |
| 21:45.36 | dagerik | Zeeflo: http://paste.debian.net/215007/ |
| 21:45.50 | streuner | s/on/one/ |
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| 21:46.07 | Zeeflo | helena run this: ip a | grep UP |
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| 21:46.13 | helena | streuner: That's not helping. :/ |
| 21:46.19 | helena | http://paste.debian.net/215009/ |
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| 21:46.25 | helena | Zeeflo: ^ |
| 21:46.34 | Zeeflo | that will display all your activated nics |
| 21:46.43 | Zeeflo | well |
| 21:46.45 | Zeeflo | theres your error |
| 21:46.51 | streuner | helena: if you dont answer to concret questions, it doenst help too... |
| 21:46.58 | Zeeflo | youre trying to run on eth1, and its not up |
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| 21:47.01 | zykotick9 | streuner: idk = I don't know. i think that is a valid answer to a yes/no. |
| 21:47.11 | helena | streuner: If I don't know something then I don't fuckin know. |
| 21:47.12 | helena | :/ |
| 21:47.18 | Zeeflo | helena |
| 21:47.20 | streuner | hm |
| 21:47.21 | helena | geez |
| 21:47.24 | helena | now stop being a dick |
| 21:47.29 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:47.34 | streuner | helena: true |
| 21:47.36 | helena | Zeeflo: Sorry |
| 21:47.39 | Zeeflo | in your /etc/network/interfaces youre running with eth1 |
| 21:47.56 | helena | Zeeflo: I have no ethernet cable plugged in. |
| 21:48.09 | dagerik | i installed libmagic-dev bit ./configure still complains: error: missing libmagic library |
| 21:48.10 | zykotick9 | Zeeflo: eth1/wlan0/etc should affect lo |
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| 21:48.19 | zykotick9 | Zeeflo: s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 21:48.48 | needle | loopback is always it is a logical interface |
| 21:49.04 | rozie | helena: ifconfig lo |
| 21:49.09 | Zeeflo | http://paste.debian.net/215005/ |
| 21:49.16 | Zeeflo | http://paste.debian.net/215009/ |
| 21:49.20 | rozie | if you are sure that this is loopback problem |
| 21:49.23 | Zeeflo | and you guys cant see the error? |
| 21:49.26 | Zeeflo | lol! |
| 21:49.29 | needle | helena: can you ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 21:49.31 | Theoden | helena: What wireless chipset are you using? Intel? |
| 21:49.47 | helena | rozie: What else would it be if all my local servers are complaining? |
| 21:49.52 | Danic | dagerik, maybe ldconfig solves your problem? |
| 21:49.55 | helena | Theoden: Broadcom |
| 21:50.03 | helena | http://paste.debian.net/215011/ |
| 21:50.05 | rozie | helena: ifconfig lo please |
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| 21:50.12 | helena | rozie: http://paste.debian.net/215011/ |
| 21:50.40 | helena | What did you say rozie? I couldn't see could connection errors covered up what you said. |
| 21:50.48 | dagerik | Danic: i tried. but noo |
| 21:51.08 | rozie | loopback seems to be fine |
| 21:51.20 | Zeeflo | its not a loopback error! |
| 21:51.41 | Zeeflo | i already told you |
| 21:51.56 | helena | Then why is it when I listen on localhost I can only connect via 127.0.0.1 and when I connect on 127.0.0.1 I can only connect on localhost then? |
| 21:52.09 | Zeeflo | look at your interfaces and your ip a |
| 21:52.32 | rozie | can anyone paste description of the problem? |
| 21:52.32 | helena | Zeeflo: it's 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:53.13 | dagerik | when ./configure says it cant find a library, where is this done? i need to inspect what it is actually trying to find |
| 21:53.16 | helena | Now I can't use loopback at all. |
| 21:53.22 | Danic | dagerik, what are you compiling? |
| 21:53.24 | Zeeflo | helena, your /etc/network/interfaces is configures to use ethernet port 1 (eth1), your ip a | grep UP tells you that this particular interface is down.. |
| 21:53.28 | dagerik | Danic: binwalk |
| 21:53.33 | Zeeflo | what common sense does that tell you? |
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| 21:53.46 | helena | Zeeflo: Cause I don't use that interface ever. |
| 21:53.50 | rozie | helena: can you give example how you can't use loopback? |
| 21:53.54 | Zeeflo | congratulations, |
| 21:53.55 | rozie | command, result |
| 21:54.01 | Zeeflo | you need to configure your interfaces |
| 21:54.09 | helena | rozie: Can I do it in pastebin? |
| 21:54.14 | helena | IRC is making me rage. |
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| 21:54.18 | rozie | sure |
| 21:54.34 | rozie | ping -c 2 localhost |
| 21:54.41 | rozie | ping -c 2 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:54.59 | Zeeflo | FFS |
| 21:55.01 | Zeeflo | listen!¨ |
| 21:55.07 | Zeeflo | YOU need to CONFIGURE your INTERFACES |
| 21:55.10 | Zeeflo | set it to WLAN0 |
| 21:55.19 | rozie | Zeeflo: to use loopback? no. |
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| 21:55.24 | Zeeflo | .... |
| 21:55.29 | Zeeflo | i give up |
| 21:55.37 | Zeeflo | its not a loopback error! |
| 21:55.53 | helena | Zeeflo: Yes stop bringing working fine interfaces into it. :/ |
| 21:55.55 | needle | its not a loopback error, |
| 21:55.56 | rozie | Zeeflo: 22:53 < helena> Now I can't use loopback at all. |
| 21:56.05 | Zeeflo | ITS NOT A LOOPBACK ERROR |
| 21:56.06 | needle | the tcp/ip stack has gone wild |
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| 21:56.18 | dagerik | helena: does nmap localhost find anything? |
| 21:56.19 | inspire | This parrot's DEAD I tell you! |
| 21:56.54 | Zeeflo | im gonna find a gun and blow my f ing brains out now |
| 21:57.20 | dagerik | cool it with the profanities |
| 21:57.27 | dagerik | got children here |
| 21:57.30 | inspire | Zeeflo: Maybe take a break, have some tea? |
| 21:57.33 | microcode | children? |
| 21:57.34 | helena | rozie: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:57.36 | microcode | :o |
| 21:57.49 | helena | ... |
| 21:57.50 | helena | OMFG |
| 21:57.57 | dagerik | helena: did nmap show anything? |
| 21:58.01 | helena | pastebinit: Why are you failing links? |
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| 21:58.17 | helena | Please can we talk on another service? |
| 21:58.26 | helena | I can't deal with these errors in my IRC client. |
| 21:58.28 | Zeeflo | for the very last time.. |
| 21:58.31 | dagerik | dpkg: tell helena about pastebinit config |
| 21:58.32 | Zeeflo | this is not a loopback error |
| 21:58.36 | helena | they're covering everything up. |
| 21:58.52 | microcode | anyone know how I might correct natural rotation of the image being displayed on the screen in this eMac? |
| 21:59.02 | microcode | I've never needed to correct for a CRT before.. |
| 21:59.18 | inspire | helena: Some clients respond to CONTROL+L to clean up the display... |
| 21:59.29 | helena | thankies :3 |
| 21:59.32 | helena | okies |
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| 21:59.52 | helena | So what comes next? |
| 21:59.58 | rozie | network's broken, loopback's broken, paste.debian.net's broken |
| 22:00.07 | rozie | end of the world is comming |
| 22:00.12 | Zeeflo | .. |
| 22:00.13 | microcode | mmhm |
| 22:00.16 | microcode | soon |
| 22:00.20 | microcode | not quite yet though |
| 22:00.22 | helena | pastebinit was working fine about 5mins ago |
| 22:00.29 | needle | you would have to make a clean install from scratch helena |
| 22:00.35 | microcode | ooh awesome |
| 22:00.39 | needle | everything else makes no sense |
| 22:00.40 | rozie | now it's broken |
| 22:00.43 | needle | and is wasting time |
| 22:00.53 | rozie | loopback broke paste.debian.net |
| 22:01.00 | microcode | the foss drivers for the card in this machine are more performant than the ones originally put in the machine |
| 22:01.10 | helena | rozie: How do you know? |
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| 22:01.35 | Zeeflo | helena, rozie hold on |
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| 22:01.49 | helena | I don't want to reinstall. It's a small problem. |
| 22:01.49 | Zeeflo | im gonna go grab myself some beer and some chips, cause this is getting funny now :) |
| 22:01.58 | rozie | helena: sorry for irony |
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| 22:02.21 | helena | I don't want to reinstall just cause loopback isn't working as I want it to. |
| 22:02.34 | Zeeflo | helena |
| 22:02.38 | Zeeflo | its not a loopback error |
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| 22:02.41 | rozie | helena: just fix whole netowrk setup and reboot |
| 22:02.48 | Zeeflo | and now I wont tell you anymore times! |
| 22:02.49 | helena | I can understand if someone ran rm -rf / or removed mass packages with apt-get |
| 22:03.09 | rozie | I guess it'll be faster than making two ping of loopback IPs for 10 minutes |
| 22:03.17 | inspire | helena: In general, it sounds like you have come to some conclusions that might not be solid. When troubleshooting, it's good to be very careful about what you assume. |
| 22:03.34 | gnarface | helena: is your /etc/hosts jacked? |
| 22:03.43 | helena | gnarface: Jacked? |
| 22:03.46 | helena | What? |
| 22:03.53 | inspire | helena: Jacked == broken |
| 22:03.54 | gnarface | helena: missing stuff like localhost... |
| 22:03.59 | rozie | helena: you got eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces and eth0 configured right now |
| 22:04.00 | helena | no |
| 22:04.08 | helena | It's not missing localhost. |
| 22:04.20 | helena | rozie: No I don't |
| 22:04.22 | rozie | can you ping those two addresses? |
| 22:04.25 | helena | I changed it |
| 22:04.30 | gnarface | helena: you said you're not running avahi right? |
| 22:04.32 | helena | to wlan0 |
| 22:04.39 | helena | gnarface: Nope I said idk |
| 22:04.44 | dagerik | helena: i have also had problems with pastebinit when piping php code. i just get back a url which points to the homepage |
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| 22:05.48 | gnarface | helena: you should check on that |
| 22:06.01 | helena | Omfg I'm forever pressing Control+L every 5secs. :/ |
| 22:06.05 | gnarface | helena: it could be causing apparently hysterical behavior... |
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| 22:06.14 | helena | gnarface: I'm still learning systemctl |
| 22:06.19 | helena | How would I check the status? |
| 22:06.42 | rozie | g'nite |
| 22:06.47 | helena | nite rozie |
| 22:06.48 | helena | :3 |
| 22:06.56 | gnarface | helena: ps is the easiest tool to use for it, i think. try: ps aux |grep avahi |
| 22:07.01 | dagerik | im trying to compile binwalk and configure says it cant find libmagic even though it is installed. (libmagic-dev on debian squueeze) |
| 22:07.07 | helena | hhuggles rozie |
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| 22:07.32 | Zeeflo | helena, did you change your interface to wlan0 ? |
| 22:07.37 | helena | Yes avahi is running. :3 |
| 22:07.42 | demona | framebuffer drivers blacklisted by default? Guess I've been away longer than I thought |
| 22:07.46 | helena | Is that a loopback driver? :o |
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| 22:09.39 | demona | I may just make this easier on myself by going text-only at first, no framebuffer |
| 22:09.49 | demona | FB is even more neglected than CLI/curses apps, these days |
| 22:10.03 | gnarface | helena: no its an auto-configuration daemon that might have done bad things to your running network configuration though |
| 22:10.17 | Zeeflo | gnarface, hardly |
| 22:10.19 | gnarface | helena: i recommend uninstalling it, myself |
| 22:10.21 | helena | O.o |
| 22:10.34 | helena | gnarface: So I should uninstall? :o |
| 22:10.37 | gnarface | helena: probably. |
| 22:10.46 | helena | Okies I'll remove it. |
| 22:10.51 | Zeeflo | ... |
| 22:10.55 | gnarface | helena: uninstall or disable, i always uninstall it but something keeps bringing it back... |
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| 22:11.13 | gnarface | its as annoying as pulseaudio |
| 22:11.19 | helena | gnarface: Unable to locate the package anyway. :/ |
| 22:11.44 | zykotick9 | gnarface: both are gnome dependencies i believe |
| 22:11.44 | gnarface | helena: its probably called avahi-daemon or something like that. try: dpkg -l |grep avahi |
| 22:11.46 | helena | Pulseaudio works fine here. lol :3 |
| 22:12.06 | gnarface | helena: you're using gnome? |
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| 22:12.16 | helena | gnarface: No |
| 22:12.18 | helena | i3 |
| 22:12.33 | inspire | kde's network-manager is also evil. |
| 22:12.46 | helena | lol |
| 22:12.50 | helena | I use wicd |
| 22:12.54 | helena | inspire: ^ |
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| 22:13.09 | gnarface | hmm. i wonder if wicd requires avahi... |
| 22:13.10 | Zeeflo | networking is the absolute most simple thing when it comes to configuring a deb system.. |
| 22:13.28 | helena | Zeeflo: I know |
| 22:13.48 | Zeeflo | gnarface, like i said, hardly, by a chance in 1:10000000000 avahi has anything to do with this issue. |
| 22:13.50 | helena | I can configure my networking fine. |
| 22:13.51 | inspire | helena: I just use /etc/network/interfaces entries. |
| 22:13.57 | zykotick9 | oh, surprised, i have avahi running - and certainly no gnome, wicd, network manager here. |
| 22:14.00 | dagerik | help me debug why this is failing even though i have libmagic installed: http://paste.debian.net/215018/ |
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| 22:14.13 | Zeeflo | i have told you guys the solution 2-3 times now |
| 22:14.25 | gnarface | Zeeflo: you said reinstall from scratch right? |
| 22:14.27 | Zeeflo | and you keep blabbing on about avahi, gnome etc |
| 22:14.31 | Zeeflo | no |
| 22:14.32 | Zeeflo | i did not |
| 22:14.57 | helena | I never reinstall an OS |
| 22:15.00 | zykotick9 | "aptitude why avahi-daemon" answer rhythmbox recommends. cya rhythmbox. |
| 22:15.05 | helena | unless it corrupts |
| 22:15.09 | helena | and can't be fixed |
| 22:15.21 | Zeeflo | why would I ask someone to reinstall a system when all you have to do is configure your interfaces and bring the network card down/up |
| 22:15.46 | helena | Zeeflo: I bloody did what you said... |
| 22:15.49 | helena | It did nothing |
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| 22:16.02 | Zeeflo | helena, did you afterwards restart your interfaces? |
| 22:16.11 | helena | Yes |
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| 22:16.46 | Zeeflo | bring down the eth1, and bring up the wlan0 |
| 22:17.01 | helena | Zeeflo: wlan0 hasn't been down at all. |
| 22:17.06 | Zeeflo | make sure your interfaces is configured correctly |
| 22:17.06 | helena | It's been up all this time! |
| 22:17.11 | helena | Yes |
| 22:17.20 | Zeeflo | and make sure your hosts are configured correctly |
| 22:17.26 | helena | They are |
| 22:17.32 | Zeeflo | its not an avahi error, loopback error etc. |
| 22:17.43 | helena | Zeeflo: Then what is it? |
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| 22:18.46 | Zeeflo | this was your interfaces config: |
| 22:18.55 | Zeeflo | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 22:19.04 | helena | No it's not |
| 22:19.12 | helena | btw... |
| 22:19.15 | Zeeflo | and this was your ip a status : |
| 22:19.18 | helena | that's for the primary interface |
| 22:19.27 | Zeeflo | http://paste.debian.net/215009/ |
| 22:19.31 | helena | that has NOTHING to do with which interface is to be used!" |
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| 22:19.44 | gnarface | hmm. i use auto instead of allow-hotplug... allow-hotplug gave me trouble on my desktop, i forget what |
| 22:19.55 | Zeeflo | now, why do you expect your wlan0 to work when youre configured to use eth1 ? |
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| 22:20.10 | helena | Zeeflo: Like I keep saying... |
| 22:20.13 | helena | wlan0 works |
| 22:20.19 | helena | Zeeflo: Listen |
| 22:20.26 | helena | It's not wlan0 that's the problem |
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| 22:21.38 | Zeeflo | http://paste.debian.net/215011/ |
| 22:21.57 | Zeeflo | tell me excactly how you see, what ever your problem is, related to a loopback error |
| 22:22.27 | helena | Zeeflo: Whyy you showing me that? |
| 22:22.35 | helena | that's the output of ifconfig lo |
| 22:22.40 | Zeeflo | to make you think |
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| 22:23.25 | helena | Zeeflo: Right |
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| 22:23.51 | Zeeflo | do you see any dropped loopback packets etc in your pastebin for your lo ? |
| 22:24.25 | Zeeflo | do you see anything at all that suggest a faulty loopback in your ifconfig lo |
| 22:24.26 | surfn | hey |
| 22:24.29 | helena | Then what is it? |
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| 22:25.41 | surfn | I have multiple USB hard drives, but no single drive is big enough to host a file - is there a way to combine multiple drives to appear as a single drive? |
| 22:26.22 | Zeeflo | yes |
| 22:26.23 | Zeeflo | mdadm |
| 22:26.41 | Zeeflo | stripe the drives with mdadm |
| 22:27.17 | gnarface | hope that is usb 2.0 or this is gonna be sloooooow.... |
| 22:27.23 | surfn | Zeeflo: thanks dude. do you have any experience with it |
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| 22:27.45 | Zeeflo | surfn, yes, i have 6 striped drives with mdadm |
| 22:28.31 | surfn | a) can I use drives of different sizes? What is the raid number if I don't need it to be backed up? |
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| 22:29.34 | Zeeflo | its a stripe 0 |
| 22:29.40 | Zeeflo | and yes, you can use different size drives |
| 22:30.03 | surfn | Zeeflo: I've got a lot of reading to do - thanks for your help |
| 22:30.24 | Zeeflo | just be aware, with a stripe0 you will not be able to access your data if you loose 1 disk in the stripe |
| 22:30.38 | Zeeflo | surfn, its very simple :) |
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| 22:33.37 | inspire | surfn: Other approach is to break the file into pieces. Lots of ways to do that... |
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| 22:34.54 | Zeeflo | surfn, also, when you stripe to 0, be aware that you cannot add another drive at a later time unless you LVM format the drives! |
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| 22:42.55 | GomoX | Hello |
| 22:43.05 | GomoX | How do I specify a major version only dependency |
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| 22:43.27 | GomoX | Specifically, php5-common (5.3.*) |
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| 22:45.40 | GomoX | Or a major version only |
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| 22:46.00 | GomoX | I tried = 5.3 |
| 22:46.05 | GomoX | But it complains upon install |
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| 22:48.17 | GomoX | I can't believe this is tricky |
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| 22:50.54 | ahammond | I used apt-get install rabbitmq-server, then dpkg -L rabbitmq-server and note that it says it includes /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server. ls /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server does not exist. WTF? |
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| 22:54.28 | Jumx | hey guys what's the command to create a new user? |
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| 22:55.47 | Jumx | anyone? |
| 22:56.29 | SPF | useradd or adduser |
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| 23:08.55 | diverdude | Hi. using acrobat professionel its possible to write data in a pdf...like i have a schema and i want to write values in this schema using the computer instead of writing it in hand.....I dont have adobe proffesionel...is there a linux alternative for this? |
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| 23:16.44 | pepperjack | pdfedit may do what you want. i haven't used it myself but I'm sure there are many tools |
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| 23:29.18 | naknick | is there a forum package in debian? |
| 23:29.30 | naknick | (for a forum site?) |
| 23:29.41 | sj34 | i'm use to running update-rc.d script defaults 20 to start a script at boot. what i've never done is tried to run a script as another user at boot. is there a correct way to do this? |
| 23:29.57 | Nik05 | naknick what forum? |
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| 23:30.34 | naknick | forum site webserver |
| 23:31.02 | naknick | Nik05, like the ones that have threads, people post messages, other people reply |
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| 23:31.18 | Nik05 | naknick use apache for your webserver |
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| 23:31.40 | naknick | Nik05, k, but is there a package for the forum? |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:31.53 | Nik05 | and then choose a forum and put it where you want it |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | phpbb3 IIrC |
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| 23:32.12 | Nik05 | phpbb is an option |
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| 23:33.27 | Guest27086 | hello there, i just did a network boot setup to use it as a diskless system. now i want to add a minimal gui, which can autologin and autostart a webbrowser on a specific url (nagios). which gui (gnome, xfce, ...) do you decide for me, that can make the job? |
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| 23:38.05 | inspire | I'd be tempted to try matchbox |
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| 23:39.00 | inspire | Guest27086: If you're just basically creating a nagios-only kiosk system, you don't need very much in the way of a gui or window-manager... |
| 23:39.12 | adb | Guest27086, see xkiosk option on http://cmrg.fifthhorseman.net/wiki/debirf |
| 23:39.28 | inspire | TWM!!! |
| 23:39.49 | Guest27086 | it should only display my nagvis map |
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| 23:40.06 | Guest27086 | and optionaly to change the map using a mouse |
| 23:40.20 | Jumx | Hey guys, can anyone help me with a JAVA error from Debian? |
| 23:40.43 | inspire | "JAVA error from Debian" |
| 23:40.48 | inspire | hides under his desk. |
| 23:41.03 | jjs999jjs | check logs was the response i got not much help tbh |
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| 23:42.05 | Guest27086 | hm, i have to load an entire env, cause all nagios checks goes from this system. |
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| 23:42.38 | inspire | Guest27086: Nagios itself does not need a GUI... |
| 23:43.07 | Jumx | #bukkitwiki |
| 23:43.11 | Jumx | oops |
| 23:43.12 | Guest27086 | at the moment the system auto boots from pxe/nfs server and runs nagios. |
| 23:43.37 | Guest27086 | now i want to add that this server has its own monitor to display the status of nagvis directly |
| 23:43.59 | inspire | Guest27086: So you just want to bring up a very minimal X server with a hard-wired web browser running? |
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| 23:44.12 | Guest27086 | yes |
| 23:44.24 | Guest27086 | inspire, it should autostart on boot up |
| 23:44.35 | Guest27086 | with the nagvis url |
| 23:44.52 | inspire | Guest27086: Should be doable, and you might not even need any WM at all. |
| 23:44.53 | Guest27086 | doesnt ask for user/password etc |
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| 23:45.44 | Guest27086 | sounds good |
| 23:45.47 | Jumx | anyone know what: SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007f9f841d711d, pid=8362, tid=140323078342400 means? |
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| 23:46.50 | inspire | Jumx: SIGSEGV means "segment violation" -- means a program was trying to access memory in an invalid way. Those are some of the hardest bugs to track down. |
| 23:47.16 | Jumx | inspire: oh lawd haha... |
| 23:47.36 | Jumx | I know the source |
| 23:47.39 | Guest27086 | problem is, im a linux user not a pro, i dont what i should install nor start nor config....but im not a beginner ;) |
| 23:47.42 | Jumx | but I have no idea why it's not working |
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| 23:48.04 | inspire | Guest27086: Research how to set up a kiosk. |
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| 23:48.29 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.50 | inspire | Jumx: Your best hope is to search around and see if anyone else has already encountered the issue and has a fix. |
| 23:48.56 | Drakeson | squeeze problem: how can I mount a usb disk in my home directory and as myself (without root permissions, of course)? |
| 23:49.12 | Guest27086 | inspire, thx hold on doing some research |
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| 23:50.29 | barbs | my display goes blank after 10 mins of being idle. i disabled turning off the display |
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| 23:51.06 | barbs | .. in the screen saver and in power managment but it still happens |
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| 23:53.54 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. How can I use start-stop-daemon while also using --chuid? The PID file does not get created because /var/run is drwxr-xr-x and I'm running as a non-root user |
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| 23:54.36 | Guest27086 | inspire, @ reading bout kiosk and updates...which distro is great with very less updates? |
| 23:54.50 | inspire | Guest27086: No clue. |
| 23:55.07 | inspire | Guest27086: And this is #debian... so... Um... |
| 23:55.12 | inspire | looks at the ceiling... |
| 23:55.22 | Guest27086 | Quote from Site: "Dont use a rolling release or a distro that updates every few months. The idea is to put out a kiosk and not touch it for a few years if you dont need to. Use something with a long release cycle, or a long-term support release." |
| 23:55.34 | inspire | Guest27086: Seriously, debian is a good distro for this sort of thing, since it is generally very stable once set up. |
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| 23:55.56 | inspire | Guest27086: There ya go. |
| 23:56.03 | adb | Guest27086, apt-cache show debirf |
| 23:56.07 | Jumx | how do I get these packages: install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jre-plugin |
| 23:56.12 | Guest27086 | inspire, true but have monthly updates (or every 2 months) |
| 23:56.31 | inspire | Guest27086: What has monthly updates? |
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| 23:57.24 | themill | Jumx: Oracle does not permit distribution of those packages |
| 23:57.37 | lewix | how come tdebian squeezy 6.0.5 doesn't have a bigger screen resolution for my screen |
| 23:57.49 | inspire | themill: No irony there, eh? |
| 23:57.58 | Jumx | haha |
| 23:58.03 | Jumx | how do I exit screen |
| 23:58.24 | zophy | I'm still using an iphone 5, I just want something that can do the key stuff like surfing the web and playing Angry Birds. I don't want a Debian OS implant in my brain. Who wants telepathic messages and advanced teledildonics ? |
| 23:59.19 | zophy | does debian run ok on the sager laptops ? |
| 23:59.45 | inspire | Jumx: by exit you mean detach? |