| 00:00.11 | Nik05 | ctrl+a+d is dettach |
| 00:00.17 | lewix | better question, how do i set my debian to recognize my screen model |
| 00:00.18 | Nik05 | ctrl+a+k is kill |
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| 00:01.49 | Guest27086 | inspire, a default debian system has its updates, dont know bout debirf |
| 00:02.02 | zophy | i wonder about the nvidia drivers.... |
| 00:02.06 | zykotick9 | Nik05: it's closer to <ctrl+a><d> and <ctrl+a><k>, not all at same time required |
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| 00:02.49 | Nik05 | yeah ok thats what i meant |
| 00:03.23 | inspire | Guest27086: Yes, debian updates, but only as necessary to provide security and stability. Debian does not update to change how things work... With very few exceptions. |
| 00:04.08 | inspire | Unlike, say, Ubuntu, which updates stuff to change to newer versions, and to change ABI's. That's why Ubuntu is less "stable." |
| 00:05.56 | adb | inspire, ubuntu has a 'long term' distrib .. |
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| 00:06.39 | inspire | adb: Yes, and that should in theory be suitable as a stable platform. But, my experience with Ubuntu is that they are not very conservative about what they allow as updates to a given version. |
| 00:06.43 | adb | used by linuxcnc for example |
| 00:07.06 | inspire | adb: So, even an LTS version is likely to undergo version changes of stuff. Which is not what you want in a server OS. |
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| 00:08.16 | inspire | Only time I can recall Debian doing that is when forced to, by a proprietary vendor (mysql/oracle)... |
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| 00:09.19 | Jumx | How do I see a list of active screens? |
| 00:09.28 | Jef91 | in a chroot how can I have in access /dev/null and /dev/urandom so I can get some packages configured? |
| 00:09.57 | inspire | Jumx: man screen? |
| 00:10.10 | Jumx | inspire: huh? |
| 00:10.26 | inspire | Jumx: RTM? |
| 00:10.45 | inspire | The 'F' is silent in #debian. =) |
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| 00:11.04 | Jumx | inspire: *i'm useless* basically the package screen which allows me to continue running stuff when I close my console |
| 00:11.58 | inspire | Jumx: I'm trying to tell you that asking questions here is no substitute for reading man pages. |
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| 00:12.41 | inspire | Jef91: I used to know how to do that... Hmm... |
| 00:13.05 | Jef91 | I'm hunting on google now - if you remember please ping me inspire - been looking for awhile |
| 00:14.03 | demona | god i miss linux < 1.0 |
| 00:14.26 | inspire | demona: I'm sure you could give it a spin even today! |
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| 00:15.23 | demona | To be more accurate, I miss "the state of Linux", not just the kernel itself |
| 00:15.46 | inspire | Jef91: This isn't the way I recall, but this page has what looks like promising clues: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Change_Root |
| 00:16.49 | Jef91 | thanks inspire ! |
| 00:16.51 | Jef91 | <3 the arch wiki |
| 00:16.53 | Jef91 | mount -o bind /dev dev/ did it |
| 00:17.06 | inspire | Yeah, that did look promising. |
| 00:17.58 | Jef91 | thanks again |
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| 00:21.17 | Asciimike | inspire, its me ( Guest27086 ) again, (thx xchat, that you auth you with irc -.-) |
| 00:21.19 | AFernandez | i would like to download debian with kde please what is the link......and please i dont need 9 dvd's |
| 00:21.30 | AFernandez | for i386 |
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| 00:22.21 | Asciimike | if i install a kiosk like gui there comes alsa with, which i dont want |
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| 00:23.09 | inspire | Asciimike: I'm sure there are ways to set up a kiosk system without sound. |
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| 00:23.50 | inspire | It's been years since I did anything in the way of a kiosk. So other than general ideas, ... *shrug* |
| 00:24.15 | wols | AFernandez: you only need the first, which has "kde" in the filename |
| 00:24.29 | AFernandez | thankyou |
| 00:24.40 | inspire | AFernandez: Do you have a fast network connection on the machine getting the kde install? |
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| 00:24.50 | AFernandez | yes |
| 00:25.02 | AFernandez | i dont see anyone with the kde i386 name on it |
| 00:25.05 | inspire | AFernandez: If so, you might consider doing a base install, using a small (netinst cd image), and then installing kde. |
| 00:25.24 | AFernandez | i rather have kde installing |
| 00:25.45 | inspire | AFernandez: That way you will only download what you need, and you won't have to download kde twice if 6.0.6 doesn't have the latest... |
| 00:26.17 | AFernandez | ok,,,,, so which one i download for i386 |
| 00:26.54 | inspire | AFernandez: wols told you, I think. It has KDE in the name... |
| 00:27.08 | AFernandez | it doesnt |
| 00:27.13 | AFernandez | i only see i386 |
| 00:27.20 | AFernandez | ill try that lets c |
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| 00:27.45 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 00:29.52 | adb | any to add download link to the topic ? |
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| 00:30.59 | AFernandez | thank you |
| 00:31.00 | giannaras | kanenas p n milaei katalabainei ellhnika;;; anagkh sos prive |
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| 00:31.41 | inspire | shoos the cat off giannaras's keyboard. |
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| 00:32.36 | zophy | welcomes the giannaras from Mars. |
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| 00:33.02 | scottj | When I restart my computer it says "Will now restart" and then never restarts, where should I look for what might be wrong? |
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| 00:33.35 | inspire | scottj: DPMI, maybe |
| 00:34.03 | zophy | laptop bios'es and laptops can be flaky that way |
| 00:34.04 | Asciimike | inspire, im trying with install xorg-x11-server-Xorg rsync matchbox-window-manager firefox gdm-libs |
| 00:34.47 | inspire | Asciimike: I wonder if it'd work if you just installed matchbox-window-manager ... |
| 00:34.53 | inspire | Asciimike: Good luck, in any case. |
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| 00:36.23 | Asciimike | inspire, trying with "install rsync matchbox-window-manager" |
| 00:36.49 | inspire | I wonder if it'd be possible to just install xdm and firefox, and hack startx to just run firefox... |
| 00:37.10 | zophy | i totally physically beat a laptop into pieces one time, it's a little tough to do, the broken screen is all jelly like and won't tear apart, and i kept finding memory modules and hard drives in the funniest places all over my room for a couple of days |
| 00:37.14 | inspire | xdm should call in X... |
| 00:37.38 | Asciimike | inspire, thats what my first idea was :D |
| 00:37.50 | inspire | zophy: Sounds like you might consider taking a class in anger management.. ;-) |
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| 00:38.25 | zophy | i really built up a lot of hate for that laptop |
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| 00:38.43 | inspire | zophy: Interesting, I didn't realize flat screens were full of jelly. I guess it makes sense for a tft or similar device... |
| 00:38.52 | zophy | yep |
| 00:39.08 | zophy | tough gooey gel |
| 00:39.34 | inspire | zophy: Did you first run rm -rf / and then try to surf the web while that ran? |
| 00:39.58 | Asciimike | inspire, now im trying with only xorg-x11-server-Xorg firefox |
| 00:40.30 | zophy | the only part i saved was the motherboard, and that was the bad part.. dumb |
| 00:40.37 | inspire | I did that once. I was amazed at how long the machine continued to run. Kind of like in the cartoons where the guy runs off the cliff but doesn't start falling... |
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| 00:40.55 | inspire | Good ol' POSIX file handle behavior. |
| 00:41.17 | inspire | zophy: Don't tell me you hung the mobo on the wall... |
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| 00:42.09 | zophy | there weren't enough meat on it to eat |
| 00:42.16 | inspire | Heh. |
| 00:42.39 | inspire | I get my violence fix these days when a server disk dies -- our policy is physical destruction of those. |
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| 00:43.09 | Asciimike | inspire, i could send you an overheated graphic-card to stick on the wall |
| 00:43.31 | inspire | Asciimike: Eh, I think my decorating with computer parts days may be over... |
| 00:43.47 | Asciimike | mine too :D |
| 00:44.11 | inspire | Now, the platters out of hard disks, those are cool. |
| 00:44.23 | inspire | Pity most of the ones I see have to be smashed up. |
| 00:44.24 | Asciimike | now i have my monitors on the wall :D |
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| 00:44.50 | inspire | imagines Asciimike's _Minority_Report_ setup... |
| 00:45.00 | Asciimike | :D |
| 00:45.11 | Asciimike | currently 4 monitors on my desk |
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| 00:45.38 | inspire | Only three here, atm, since the windows machine is off. I only use that for stuff I have to. |
| 00:46.21 | Asciimike | inspire, thats my problem, on linux i only use the console.... |
| 00:46.34 | Asciimike | i dont know very much bout gui :D |
| 00:46.41 | inspire | Asciimike: Ah, I like KDE. |
| 00:46.49 | Asciimike | only that the new ubuntu gui sucks |
| 00:46.53 | inspire | Asciimike: But for your kiosk, KDE would not be the way to go. |
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| 00:47.14 | Asciimike | no, kde is to big |
| 00:47.17 | inspire | Asciimike: For Ubuntu machines, I use kubuntu. |
| 00:47.19 | Asciimike | like gnome too |
| 00:47.44 | AFernandez | download is very slow even using a torrent 10 hours on cable connection? |
| 00:47.46 | inspire | Seriously, I am hoping you can get by with *no* WM. |
| 00:48.03 | Asciimike | inspire, for ubuntu machines i use the debian and chancel the ubuntu :D |
| 00:48.03 | inspire | AFernandez: Maybe pick a different mirror? |
| 00:48.19 | AFernandez | im downloading with torrent |
| 00:48.36 | inspire | Asciimike: For some purposes I prefer Ubuntu, since Debian stable gets a bit long in the tooth after a couple of years. |
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| 00:49.03 | inspire | AFernandez: That sounds like a damn long download time for an ISO |
| 00:49.11 | Asciimike | till i only use console, debian runs after years very well |
| 00:49.29 | inspire | Asciimike: Yeah, I'm sure. |
| 00:50.16 | Asciimike | inspire, firewall=pfsense embedded board, storage is debian |
| 00:50.23 | Asciimike | webserver is debian |
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| 00:50.44 | Asciimike | everything debian :D |
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| 00:51.16 | inspire | Heh. Same here, except for stuff I use non-professionally, where old desktop software is a worse pain than upgrading. |
| 00:51.29 | AFernandez | sorry 15 mins inspire |
| 00:51.47 | Asciimike | inspire, server side i only use debian :D |
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| 00:52.19 | inspire | So all our dev and production stuff is debian. I used to be a Red Hat guy, until they changed. Found Debian, and wondered why I hadn't tried it sooner... |
| 00:52.30 | Asciimike | but my nagios monitor is a centos6 im just trying if it work better/worser than debian |
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| 00:52.53 | inspire | Used centos a bit, but imho, debian is better. =) |
| 00:53.07 | inspire | And PHB's don't tend to trust CentOS |
| 00:53.30 | inspire | They don't necessarily understand Debian either, but at least there it's not a "knock off." |
| 00:53.34 | Asciimike | just trying, but actually im thinking bout using debian too for it |
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| 00:54.07 | inspire | Asciimike: It's cool to experiment. And this may well be a case of building one or two to throw away. Get all mistakes out of the way, then make it shine. |
| 00:54.32 | adb | kind off offtopic , isn't it |
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| 00:54.52 | inspire | adb: I promise to stop immediately if someone chimes in with more relevant stuff. =) |
| 00:54.55 | Asciimike | inspire, i just was thinking that centos6 uses less performance than debian for a nagios server |
| 00:55.19 | inspire | Asciimike: Dunno. |
| 00:55.35 | inspire | I don't recall that nagios takes a lot of power to run... |
| 00:55.36 | Asciimike | cause i got in touch with centos6 at workplace, where all systems are centos |
| 00:56.06 | Asciimike | no nagios runs on amd k6 machines very well |
| 00:56.38 | inspire | well, that's hardly a test -- how does it run on a 10 year old 586 or similar? ;-) |
| 00:56.38 | Asciimike | nagios doesnt use moch power.... |
| 00:56.56 | Asciimike | uhmmm...i could try it :D |
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| 00:57.10 | inspire | Sure, why not! |
| 00:57.20 | Asciimike | inspire, wait a second, have to find a system.... |
| 00:57.41 | adb | !offtopic |
| 00:57.42 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 00:57.56 | inspire | wanders off |
| 00:57.57 | Harrold | hi |
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| 00:58.40 | Harrold | I have installed proftpd. Now the problem is, when I connect over lan, I can connect. When I want to connect over internet, I get a timeout. The port is not blocked, it is forwareded, I even allowed DMZ on my router for the ftp server |
| 00:59.55 | Asciimike | inspire, my first server was a ibm pc330 eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Series#PC_Series_300 |
| 01:00.08 | Asciimike | inspire, i have it @ home |
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| 01:00.26 | Harrold | anyone an idea how to fix this? |
| 01:00.30 | Asciimike | its working, only have to install a system on it |
| 01:01.28 | Asciimike | Harrold, any logs about connection denied? |
| 01:01.35 | Harrold | timeout so far |
| 01:02.13 | Harrold | and no messages abouyt dying |
| 01:02.17 | Harrold | or denying anything |
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| 01:03.24 | Asciimike | Harrold, right ip used for nat forwarding on your router? |
| 01:03.31 | Harrold | yes |
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| 01:03.48 | Asciimike | does the proftpd server accepts connections from outside? |
| 01:04.05 | innociv | I'm trying to get monit to kill node.js when it's using too much cpu. Can someone help? I can't figure it out. I have it set up like this: http://pastebin.com/7TbrJBvU when I run "monit status" it says "not monitored" and I can't figure out why. |
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| 01:04.18 | Harrold | outside of where? It accepts connections from the internal lan, but nut from outside the lan |
| 01:04.20 | innociv | IT did say monitored once, with the status, working fine. Then it just stopped working. |
| 01:04.23 | Asciimike | right configured passive ftp-ports with forwardings? |
| 01:04.28 | tidux | how come LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't automatically include /usr/local/lib on Debian? |
| 01:04.31 | tidux | that's just retarded |
| 01:04.54 | Harrold | yes\ |
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| 01:05.46 | Asciimike | Harrold, time for query? |
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| 01:11.34 | Nahledge | how do i set a folder to be read/write/executable for EVERYONE and ANYONE? using chmod? |
| 01:12.05 | xsappyx | Nahledge: chmod 777 |
| 01:12.24 | Nahledge | xsappyx: does this apply to folders aswell? |
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| 02:21.49 | GomoX | Hey |
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| 02:22.41 | GomoX | I have noticed if my Debian package has an empty folder in it and I place files into that folder after installing, the folder won't be deleted when uninstalling. Is this a good way of creating "data" directories for software? (i.e directories where the program stores data and shouldn't be removed on upgrades/uninstalls) |
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| 02:28.59 | naknick | anyone knows what package provide the pl/pgsql of postgresql? |
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| 02:30.28 | Devastator | naknick check in packages.debian.org |
| 02:31.13 | naknick | i don't find |
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| 02:33.07 | Devastator | what's pl/pgsql anyway? |
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| 02:34.19 | JohnnyL | Did anyone see the article about Ubuntu concerning RMS? |
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| 02:36.09 | JohnnyL | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/12/07/1527225/rms-speaks-out-against-ubuntu |
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| 02:44.05 | riex | Hello guys, I've just added one more IP to my debian server. But when that's done, and I'm trying to ping it from my home connection, it dosen't reply back. But if i ping the IP-address on the server it replys. What could the error be? :-| |
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| 02:47.31 | JohnnyL | ifconfig |
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| 02:48.04 | dvs | gasps |
| 02:48.14 | riex | JohnnyL: ifconfig looks fine, would you see it? or |
| 02:48.33 | riex | isnt there an error log or something for the network on linux? |
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| 02:54.09 | demona | I'm trying to install a list of packages from a textfile, without interfering with my installed system - first 'dpkg set-selections < selections', then 'apt-get dselect-upgrade'. But it looks like this borks my running system by removing critical packages including the current kernel :S |
| 02:54.25 | demona | Obviously didn't read enough before typing. But hey, that's what VM snapshots are for.. |
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| 03:46.03 | AFernandez | how can i install totem using kde? |
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| 03:51.16 | AFernandez | anyone here ? |
| 03:51.27 | AFernandez | i would like to install totem but i am using kde |
| 03:51.39 | AFernandez | how can i install also gnome and totem? |
| 03:51.45 | ManoftheSea | apt-get install totem |
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| 04:00.32 | x__ | hello all.. |
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| 04:03.42 | Karmaon | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 04:05.57 | somiaj | AFernandez: it will install some but not all of gnome libs, but that is just fine. |
| 04:06.19 | x__ | what WM does debian use? |
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| 04:06.28 | AFernandez | somiaj: how do i install |
| 04:06.31 | lasers | Karmaon: If you got good connection, get netinst.iso |
| 04:06.40 | Karmaon | lasers: will do |
| 04:07.50 | somiaj | AFernandez: read ManoftheSea command, use apt-get or aptitude |
| 04:07.57 | AFernandez | this is what i nget doing apt-get install totem |
| 04:07.59 | AFernandez | http://paste.debian.net/215046/ |
| 04:08.14 | somiaj | alnr: sysvinit and sysvinit-utils |
| 04:08.58 | somiaj | AFernandez: what version of debian are you running. What does 'apt-cache policy gnome-icon-theme-symbolic' give? |
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| 04:09.22 | x__ | Can someone tell me what WM is the default on debian? |
| 04:09.29 | x__ | like is it unity, like on ubuntu ? |
| 04:09.39 | AFernandez | squeeze |
| 04:10.13 | AFernandez | root@KanotixBox:/home/AFernandez# apt-cache policy gnome-icon-theme-symbolic |
| 04:10.15 | AFernandez | gnome-icon-theme-symbolic: |
| 04:10.16 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.18 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.19 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.21 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.22 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.24 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.25 | AFernandez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.27 | AFernandez | root@KanotixBox:/home/AFernandez# |
| 04:10.28 | AFernandez | oops |
| 04:10.30 | AFernandez | sorry |
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| 04:11.31 | AFernandez | im running kde |
| 04:11.50 | ManoftheSea | x__: xfce |
| 04:12.08 | ManoftheSea | AFernandez: kanotix is not debian |
| 04:12.13 | ManoftheSea | !basedondebian |
| 04:12.14 | x__ | ManoftheSea, oh nice. I might have to jump ship I am already using xfce on ubuntu but they have spyware now lol |
| 04:12.28 | ManoftheSea | x__: just remove the lens |
| 04:12.35 | AFernandez | well is based on swueeze |
| 04:12.37 | AFernandez | :) |
| 04:12.38 | x__ | I did but thats not the point |
| 04:12.44 | AFernandez | squeeze |
| 04:12.49 | x__ | the point is I don't appreciate how they are violating FOSS principles. |
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| 04:12.56 | somiaj | AFernandez: you are runing some strange mixture of wheezy and experimential which is causing depends problems. You are gonna have to trace them down yourself |
| 04:13.04 | ManoftheSea | x__: so... you agree with RMS? |
| 04:13.07 | ManoftheSea | ok. |
| 04:13.12 | x__ | I think so... |
| 04:13.14 | AFernandez | ok thank you |
| 04:13.15 | somiaj | AFernandez: you are not running squeeze, I can tell by the output fo the command you had there |
| 04:13.23 | AFernandez | ok |
| 04:13.26 | AFernandez | thank you |
| 04:13.28 | AFernandez | sorry |
| 04:13.33 | ManoftheSea | what's the command to get the bot to tell what "based on" means for support here? |
| 04:13.48 | somiaj | AFernandez: but yea you have some dependency loops in your sources.list -- short story you have to now kinda figure out some of the depend loops and fixed it |
| 04:13.50 | AFernandez | wheezy? |
| 04:14.16 | ManoftheSea | Kanotix is not squeeze, it is not wheezy. |
| 04:14.31 | ManoftheSea | ask in #kanotix |
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| 04:15.08 | AFernandez | hes not in now |
| 04:15.13 | AFernandez | but thank you guys |
| 04:15.25 | AFernandez | i have this movie that ask for totem so i can see it |
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| 04:28.01 | Asciimike | inspire, still here? |
| 04:28.14 | inspire | 'sup? |
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| 04:28.35 | Asciimike | me again, giving up wiht centos6 |
| 04:28.43 | Asciimike | want debian |
| 04:29.00 | NSAgent | Asciimike: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 04:29.00 | ManoftheSea | install and enjoy |
| 04:29.08 | Asciimike | :D |
| 04:29.08 | inspire | Asciimike: Ah, that was the conversation where I got run off for off topic? Glad you came over anyhow. |
| 04:29.27 | Asciimike | Yea right :D |
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| 04:30.15 | Asciimike | know a very fast way to get a tftp/nfs bootable system run? |
| 04:30.28 | Asciimike | server is luckily a debian! |
| 04:30.31 | demona | I was looking for such a thing myself |
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| 04:30.49 | demona | as in, out of the box as fast/easy as possible tftp with trimmings |
| 04:30.53 | Asciimike | got stuck in X would start -.- |
| 04:30.54 | inspire | Not off hand, but I'm sure it's been done many times. |
| 04:31.25 | Asciimike | can debootstrap handle this? |
| 04:31.28 | demona | fogproject.org was the closest I'd found so far |
| 04:31.44 | demona | It's a LAMP stack for DHCP / NFS / PXE / FTP / HTTPD server + imaging |
| 04:31.53 | inspire | debootstrap is more for creating custom distros, I think... |
| 04:32.05 | demona | It'd be nice if the Turnkey Core would add tftp |
| 04:32.20 | Asciimike | inspire, i make all my chroot jails with debootstrap XD |
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| 04:32.38 | inspire | demona: I see several tftpd's... |
| 04:33.03 | demona | I'm talking about more than just including a package :) |
| 04:33.25 | inspire | Um... I don't think most folks would want that sort of thing without asking for it. |
| 04:33.56 | demona | I don't mind doing my own work, but I'm a complete tyro. Best case scenario, if a thing I'm looking for doesn't exist, is that it ends up getting created |
| 04:34.00 | inspire | But you're right, "apt-get install tftpd" is a pretty complicated and onerous thing to have to do after setting up a server... |
| 04:34.43 | Asciimike | would work a cp /* /nfs/ and chroot /nfs/ to setup a pxe-bootable-debian-system (with some cp exclusions) |
| 04:35.49 | inspire | Asciimike: I sort of doubt that would work very cleanly. But I've never tried it. |
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| 04:36.32 | Asciimike | inspire, your prefered way? |
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| 04:37.07 | inspire | Asciimike: I've not messed with pxe. There is a pxe package, might be worth checking out. |
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| 04:37.51 | inspire | Need to bail out, good luck. |
| 04:37.52 | Asciimike | pxe is working well, with initrd and vmlinz loading.... |
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| 04:38.52 | Asciimike | my question is how to get a debian as fast as possible to work from this images |
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| 04:44.56 | Asciimike | inspire, problem with copy running system to that folder is, that the space is too minimal...therefor me requres more diskspace |
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| 04:53.51 | staykov | hey, anyone use the fglrx-legacy-driver? |
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| 04:54.07 | staykov | the wiki mentions it and seems it might support mycard |
| 04:54.12 | staykov | my card* |
| 04:54.20 | staykov | but i cant figure out how to install it |
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| 05:42.17 | tsolox | why is there 'apt-get' and 'dpkg' and what is the main difference between them? does 'apt-get' uses 'dpkg' under the hood? |
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| 05:43.01 | sney | tsolox: yes, apt-get uses dpkg as a component |
| 05:43.11 | Asciimike | tsolox, apt-get uses the dpkg under the hood. |
| 05:43.24 | tsolox | sney: so that means, everything can be done by dpkg? |
| 05:43.40 | engla | tsolox: apt-get does a lot of stuff, like dependency resolution |
| 05:43.49 | sney | the primary differences between apt and dpkg is that apt can automatically install dependencies and download packages from the networkx |
| 05:44.03 | Asciimike | you can use dpkg -i (dpkg -install) instead of apt-get if you have a *.deb downloaded |
| 05:44.16 | engla | apt is just a useful layer on top of dpkg |
| 05:44.42 | Asciimike | engla, true story |
| 05:45.47 | Asciimike | anyone knows a very short way to get debian netbooting, without installing a client? |
| 05:46.02 | tsolox | i see,.. the same as with 'rpm' + 'yum'.. thanks |
| 05:46.35 | Asciimike | no, there are much differences |
| 05:46.36 | sney | Asciimike: pxe? |
| 05:47.08 | tsolox | Asciimike: ? |
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| 05:47.48 | Asciimike | sney, pxeboot a whole diskless system |
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| 05:48.25 | sney | yeah, that's what you do. I don't know what the question is. are you looking for a howto? |
| 05:48.46 | Asciimike | rpm, yum, ... are too layers over some package managemant systems |
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| 05:49.39 | Asciimike | sney, im looking for the shortests/fastest way to get a debian netboot to work. |
| 05:49.57 | demona | What's the best way to install packages from a list without removing any current ones? |
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| 05:50.10 | Asciimike | netinstall isnt the problem.....have only to boot from pxe :D |
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| 05:50.52 | innociv | I'm trying to get monit to kill node.js when it's using too much cpu. Can someone help? I have it set up like this: http://pastebin.com/7TbrJBvU when I run "monit status" it will monit it once, then stop it once when triggered to properly. The program will automatically restart, but it no longer monitors it unless I change the process name in the config and restart it. |
| 05:52.37 | sney | Asciimike: you just set up bootp, tftpd and nfs on a server, set the mac address and the relevant files, and boot your client |
| 05:52.42 | Sanjuro | fresh install having trouble viewing a samba share from a windows box and XBMC, smbclient -L //box -U user works successfully on the box its shared |
| 05:52.44 | sney | and hope your nic firmware is not stupid |
| 05:52.53 | Sanjuro | is there any default firewall that may be blocking it? |
| 05:53.00 | sney | debian has no default firewall |
| 05:53.12 | Sanjuro | any idea what could be blocking it |
| 05:53.26 | sney | what debian version is this? |
| 05:53.44 | Sanjuro | 6.06 |
| 05:53.51 | Sanjuro | 6.0.6* |
| 05:54.10 | Asciimike | sney, dhcp tftp nfs are configured, missing are the files for debian |
| 05:54.21 | sney | sanjuro: and what behaviour do you get from the windows client |
| 05:54.45 | Asciimike | i need the quickest way to get them on my server ready for nfs boot |
| 05:54.49 | Sanjuro | prompts for user/pass, access denied, another error |
| 05:54.58 | sney | Asciimike: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst bottom right |
| 05:55.55 | sney | Sanjuro: can the windows client see the samba share with net view? |
| 05:56.26 | Asciimike | sney, i have a client without disk. and a server with powerfull disks |
| 05:56.44 | Asciimike | i cant boot the client and copy the stuff over... |
| 05:57.01 | sney | Asciimike: right, so you want from http://live.debian.net/ then |
| 05:57.23 | Sanjuro | yes sney |
| 05:58.18 | Sanjuro | keep getting access denied |
| 05:58.42 | Sanjuro | actually.. I cant see it via net view I get access denied |
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| 05:58.47 | Asciimike | sney, and which one is preferd for server running? (kiosk system) |
| 05:58.55 | sney | Sanjuro: ok, so it's an auth issue. windows vista and up are more anal about working with samba shares. I'd advise you to either open it up completely and use "share" level or fix your smb.conf. I don't remember the syntax, you'll need to run testparm a lot and google things |
| 05:59.01 | Sanjuro | wonder if its storing a bad user/pass issue somewhere |
| 05:59.07 | sney | Asciimike: I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 05:59.11 | x__ | is there a barebones debian 64-bit iso I can download? I just want to try out debian in a VM |
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| 05:59.54 | sney | x__: yeah, just get the amd64 image from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and install only the standard system utilities |
| 05:59.59 | Jef91 | s0n |
| 06:00.03 | Asciimike | sney, i need a debian minimal system booting over network, and after then installing a kiosk system |
| 06:00.05 | x__ | sney, awesome thanks. |
| 06:00.14 | Asciimike | for nagios / nagvis |
| 06:00.32 | Jef91 | So, I am trying to use WICD on Debian Wheezy ARMHF - when I launch wicd-gtk I get the following error message about cairo that prevents it from loading -> http://paste.debian.net/215053/ any ideas on a fix? |
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| 06:01.30 | sney | Asciimike: for a kiosk I thought you'd be looking for a graphical environment and the 3 options for that are pretty clear |
| 06:02.14 | sney | Jef91: that looks like a bug, probably a missing dependency. is there anything in the bts about it? |
| 06:02.56 | Jef91 | I've been searching on google sney - only thing I am seeing is a bug report about bad links from python2.6 to 2.7 that no longer applies |
| 06:03.20 | Jef91 | It must just be a issue in wheezy - cause I am on unstable ARMHF right now connected with wicd-gtk |
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| 06:05.36 | sney | Jef91: yes, specific to wheezy, which I why I asked if there was anything in the bts. surely as a testing user, you know how to use the debian bug tracking system |
| 06:05.48 | demona | Blah. 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' is saying it's going to *remove*, for example, cpp-4.7 -- which is actually a package I explicitly listed in my selections and which should be being *installed*. Something bizarre is going on. As usual, I suspect my own lack of clue. |
| 06:05.52 | Sanjuro | weird... sney: had to change "valid users = %S" to "valid users = user" |
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| 06:06.18 | sney | Sanjuro: yeah. the former is something that would work if it was an xp client |
| 06:06.38 | Sanjuro | weird thing is it works on a different linux install without changing that, maybe diff. versions of smb? |
| 06:06.46 | sney | maybe. |
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| 06:06.48 | Jef91 | sney, use it as in file a bug report? |
| 06:06.52 | Jef91 | or look them up? |
| 06:06.58 | sney | Jef91: look them up, at first anyway |
| 06:07.13 | Jef91 | Been awhile |
| 06:07.25 | Jef91 | what is the URL agai sney? |
| 06:07.28 | sney | heh. well, let's look together. |
| 06:07.35 | sney | http://bugs.debian.org/wicd-gtk |
| 06:07.49 | sney | change dist to testing and see |
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| 06:09.18 | Asciimike | sney, sry had my daily dc.... |
| 06:09.22 | Jef91 | doesn't look like it is filed there sneak_ |
| 06:09.25 | Jef91 | sney * |
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| 06:09.51 | sney | Jef91: ok, then do your part as a testing user and report it |
| 06:10.42 | sney | the 'reportbug' application is very helpful for that |
| 06:10.54 | Jef91 | sney before I do that I think something is just messed up with my install here |
| 06:11.10 | Jef91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.10 | sney | ok, what do you think it is |
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| 06:11.35 | sney | was that an upgrade from squeeze? |
| 06:11.41 | Jef91 | No |
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| 06:11.46 | Jef91 | file system I created using debootstrap |
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| 06:13.15 | sney | did you run tasksel or anything after debootstrap to make sure your system installed the usual sane packages |
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| 06:14.11 | Jef91 | nope |
| 06:14.15 | Jef91 | that would make sense sney |
| 06:14.20 | sney | indeed |
| 06:16.39 | Jef91 | god I love this chromebook |
| 06:16.41 | Jef91 | thing is so quick |
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| 06:19.15 | x__ | nice.... netinstall uses 44MB of ram lol |
| 06:19.22 | x__ | w/ just the base system that is |
| 06:20.18 | Asciimike | sney, fastest way you know to install a debian system inside of a debian system? |
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| 06:20.56 | sney | Asciimike: fastest? virtualbox. but that's probably not the answer you're looking for |
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| 06:23.36 | Asciimike | not realy... |
| 06:23.46 | Asciimike | debootstrap may? |
| 06:24.22 | Asciimike | but this would be too minimal, so the kernel couldnt mount nfs |
| 06:24.50 | sney | you're doing this thing where you have all of your requirements inside your brain, and you don't type them into irc, and it makes it hard for people to know what you're looking for |
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| 06:25.58 | x__ | sney, so I installed the netinstall with barebones its awesome 44 MB mem usage. But when I was formatting the partitions it had a create /root /home /usr on seperate partitions this sounded great, but it did not give me an option to specify the size of these partitions will I just need to do it all manually then ? |
| 06:26.10 | nick_h | when converting an RPM to a DEB, where does alien write the DEB to? |
| 06:27.16 | sney | x__: there were a few different options in the installer for disk partitioning. sounds like you should have chosen "manual." it's pretty easy even on that option. |
| 06:27.40 | sney | just keeping /home separate and putting everything else together is a sane option on a large disk |
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| 06:28.24 | x__ | sney, thats what i'm thinking about doing. This is likely gonna get installed to my home server on a 40gb SSD w/ 2x1TB data storage drives. For now its 10gb virtual machine. :-) |
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| 06:30.05 | x__ | sney, sorry for the bombardment of questions, but apps like samba would use the exact same config files from ubuntu right? Like if i copy my current ones they would work on a debian install ? |
| 06:30.40 | sney | x__: sort of. it's better to at least get a minimal config with testparm and copy that over. |
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| 06:31.02 | sney | that's for samba - anything else you should start more or less from scratch |
| 06:31.36 | sney | ubuntu is based on debian but they change a lot of stuff so it's not entirely compatible and it doesn't work exactly the same, so you could introduce weird behaviour if you just copied the configs wholesale |
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| 06:33.06 | x__ | sney, well samba i'm just talking about copying over my smb.conf wouldn't that be the same, for the shares? |
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| 06:33.51 | sney | x__: do it with testparm. if you've never used testparm it's a part of the samba suite that reads your smb.conf, tests the syntax, and outputs a more minimal version without comments and extra cruft |
| 06:34.05 | sney | easier to read, easier to debug, more portable, etc |
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| 06:35.19 | x__ | sney, awesome I already edited my smb.conf down to the bare minimum (working) but I will give that a try. |
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| 06:37.34 | mortal1 | hello everyone. when I do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade --yes, it doesn't install kernel updates. Why is this? |
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| 06:39.38 | Jef91 | sney how do I confirm a sane pakage instal after a chroot? |
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| 06:42.37 | sney | Jef91: having not used debootstrap in a long while, I am guessing slightly, but I would say to run tasksel and select the standard system utilities, then after it's done run 'aptitude -f install' |
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| 06:53.35 | x__ | sney so basically i've been running on ubuntu ~1gig of ram for something that takes ~150 gigs total on debian :-\ |
| 06:53.44 | x__ | ~150Mb I mean lol |
| 06:54.25 | sney | ubuntu likes to make things pretty and smooth. debian likes to give you choices. it's an obvious decision for some. |
| 06:54.53 | x__ | sney, samba + mpd is up and running right now @ 45MB of ram! lol. |
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| 07:30.30 | arbir | hello |
| 07:32.15 | arbir | i am unable to get 'dejavu sans condensed ' font working on my KDE desktop. using wheezy |
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| 07:32.23 | arbir | anybody facing a similar issue ? |
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| 07:34.00 | arbir | test |
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| 07:41.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 07:41.11 | Dan39 | hi |
| 07:41.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | hang on let me ask google first.. |
| 07:41.30 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 07:42.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | was wondering on video support for AOD270-1410 |
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| 07:43.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | Intel GMA 3600 is the chip and what exsactly 2d support only means on debian... |
| 07:43.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | can i watch movies? |
| 07:43.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | 720p is not bad, for that right? |
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| 07:52.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 07:52.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found some help ty |
| 07:52.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think its gonna be a wild ride but i got two weeks to fix up the present booya |
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| 09:35.27 | prietus | hi, when cimpiling kernel with nohup debian way make-kpkg fails, amd when launching normally works ok, any clue? thanks |
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| 09:39.00 | wols_ | fails how? |
| 09:39.11 | wols_ | and why do you need nohup? do it inside screen for example |
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| 09:40.02 | prietus | unable to create a debian file ... , im throgh ssh |
| 09:40.33 | wols_ | actual error message please |
| 09:40.37 | wols_ | _what_ file for example |
| 09:41.03 | wols_ | and: simply use screen. it's what >50% of people in here probably use to irc via ssh |
| 09:41.17 | prietus | mmm, let me thow with LANG=C |
| 09:42.35 | prietus | Failed to create a ./debian directory: at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 984 |
| 09:42.37 | prietus | etc |
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| 09:43.05 | xingu | wols_: tmux is gaining some considerable traction amongst the people I work with just as a sidebar. |
| 09:43.07 | wols_ | prietus: ls -ld . |
| 09:43.25 | wols_ | xingu: screen, tmux... potatoe, potato :P |
| 09:43.59 | prietus | mmm, ls -ld throws drwxr-xr-x 23 carlos carlos 4096 dic 8 10:41 |
| 09:44.07 | xingu | wols_: sure; it embeds one tier of indirection though if your use-case happens to be notebook -> roaming network -> back-end cluster though. |
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| 09:45.01 | wols_ | prietus: the dot wasn't ther for show. ls -ld .;pwd |
| 09:45.06 | xingu | wols_: if your gui terminal supports it, it really is worth a shot; you gain screen-like functionality without invoking it directly. |
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| 09:46.09 | prietus | wols_, sorry about my english, i have not understood your last response |
| 09:46.26 | wols_ | prietus: run "ls -ld .;pwd" |
| 09:46.30 | prietus | ok |
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| 09:47.39 | prietus | /home/carlos/src/linux-3.6.9 |
| 09:47.52 | prietus | im making debian way |
| 09:47.59 | prietus | as always |
| 09:48.19 | wols_ | you should be able to create .debian/ just fine |
| 09:48.29 | prietus | ok thanks wols_ |
| 09:49.06 | wols_ | prietus: use screen or tmux as suggested |
| 09:49.20 | prietus | ok |
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| 09:53.02 | scx | hello |
| 09:53.07 | scx | i want to report bug |
| 09:53.11 | scx | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/orage |
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| 09:53.51 | prietus | i dont like xfce4.10 from experimental |
| 09:54.21 | scx | dep: xfce4-panel << 4.9 is properly |
| 09:54.43 | scx | dep: xfce4-panel >= 4.9.2 is properly |
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| 09:54.53 | scx | prietus: why not? |
| 09:55.10 | scx | prietus: i dont like sound mixer in XFCE 4.8 |
| 09:55.22 | prietus | because volumed , tumblerd etc ... |
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| 09:55.47 | prietus | at last i went from git |
| 09:55.59 | prietus | and gogdies are broken |
| 09:56.03 | prietus | *goodies |
| 09:56.03 | scx | prietus: what do you mean? |
| 09:56.17 | scx | (volumed , tumblerd) |
| 09:56.21 | prietus | volumed stop working after a while, almost for me |
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| 09:56.47 | prietus | tumbler already becomes cpu eater as previous versions |
| 09:57.17 | scx | there is any good, working desktop environment for Debian? |
| 09:57.39 | prietus | a think xfce i good enough |
| 09:57.49 | prietus | better than gnome |
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| 09:58.32 | scx | prietus: of course better, but still have annoying bugs |
| 09:58.47 | prietus | agreed |
| 09:59.16 | prietus | i changed xmonad + gnome to xmonad + xfce |
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| 10:04.36 | floyd____ | Hi. Im on debian testing and i have problems getting my Netgear N159/wna1100 to work. It shows up in lsusb as Bus 009 Device 002: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Wireless Mouse M305, according to lsmod the ath9k_htc driver module is loaded, but i get no wlan0 in iwconfig nor does any wireless device show up in networkmanager. What could be wrong? |
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| 10:05.14 | wols_ | floyd____: ath9k_htc needs non-free firmware |
| 10:05.30 | floyd____ | Sorry, it is Bus 007 Device 005: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] in lsusb, not Logitech mouse ;) |
| 10:05.31 | wols_ | floyd____: firmware-atheros it is |
| 10:05.32 | floyd____ | oh? |
| 10:05.37 | floyd____ | ah, ill try that. Thanks |
| 10:07.52 | floyd____ | That worked wonders, wols_! THanks! |
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| 10:51.30 | bugger | hi all - got issues with alsa modules on squeeze, dmesg is indicating issues with snd_mpu401_uart module |
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| 10:51.37 | bugger | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.56 | bugger | anyone seen those sorts of errors, so far no success in getting anywhere with it |
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| 11:00.46 | Danic11 | is there a way to pipe everything I write into the shell in a file? something like "cIN > file" |
| 11:01.00 | Danic11 | *type type type* |
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| 11:02.28 | abrotman | Danic11: man script |
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| 11:04.16 | Danic11 | jeah thx |
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| 11:11.25 | julius_ | hi |
| 11:12.07 | julius_ | i just did a "apt-get purge openffice.org" which told me that it would remove: openoffice.org* |
| 11:12.11 | julius_ | but it did nothing? |
| 11:12.26 | Danic11 | try apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org |
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| 11:13.17 | julius_ | tells me that openoffice.org is not installed and will not be removed |
| 11:13.36 | abrotman | it's a metapackage |
| 11:13.45 | julius_ | but "apt-get upgrade" wants to upgrade a whole lot openoffice.xyz packages |
| 11:13.47 | abrotman | what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 11:13.54 | julius_ | get rid of openoffice |
| 11:14.00 | abrotman | all of it? |
| 11:14.26 | julius_ | yes, its a server. a netinst install...dont know how openoffice was installed |
| 11:14.59 | abrotman | julius_: dpkg -l openoffice* |
| 11:15.11 | abrotman | look for 'ii' packages |
| 11:15.29 | abrotman | if you remove the -core, i'm sure the rest will go |
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| 11:19.38 | julius_ | oh now apt gets cute, it wants to install extra oo packages while removing others.... |
| 11:19.41 | julius_ | http://pastebin.com/9JRRDCK8 |
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| 11:22.16 | julius_ | apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org-core that works, halfway. at least oo will go. but still apt wants to install other "gui" apps |
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| 11:22.46 | abrotman | so remove them next? |
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| 11:23.05 | julius_ | is there no switch that shows why apt wants to install package xyz, i mean which one pulls the new ones in? |
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| 11:24.26 | KD0BPV | Here's a weird one for you guys. I'm getting "kadmind: Error reading password from stash: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting |
| 11:24.26 | KD0BPV | ", but the stash file specified in my kerberos config exists. Any ideas? |
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| 11:25.23 | abrotman | julius_: aptitude has one |
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| 11:29.37 | julius_ | aptitude remove openoffice.org-core finished the job, after removing gnome-office - probably the package that all the evil comes from |
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| 11:45.15 | oznt | hi everyone, i have a weired problem with autofs... it mounts partitions and the contents show as belonging to "nobody:nobody", when i mount the same nfs partition manually i dont have that problem |
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| 11:45.31 | oznt | how can i tell autofs to mount the stuff correctly? |
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| 11:53.51 | milligan | Hey - Is it easy to give a process priority? I.e, my home server is running an nzb server, and a teamspeak server. If I add tons of nzbs, the server becomes pretty much unresponsive (at least I can't connect with teamspeak etc). Can I give TS priority so that it will always allow connectivity, so t ospeak ? |
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| 11:56.06 | abrotman | milligan: you can renice it |
| 11:56.24 | milligan | What's that ? |
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| 11:58.07 | engla | nice is the cpu priority, 0 the default and -1 to -20 more prioritized |
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| 11:59.30 | milligan | (re)nice. pun intended. |
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| 12:02.02 | guang_ | what is the usage of boot sector in usb when i insert usb on my computer?i tried to modify the asm code,finally it work well.why? |
| 12:02.31 | sussudio | wat |
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| 12:05.54 | KD0BPV | Here's a weird one for you guys. I'm getting "kadmind: Error reading password from stash: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting |
| 12:05.57 | KD0BPV | ", but the stash file specified in my kerberos config exists. Any ideas? |
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| 12:06.46 | sussudio | KD0BPV: does it have the right permissions |
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| 12:07.00 | sussudio | and user ownership... |
| 12:08.02 | KD0BPV | Not sure. permission on /etc/krb5kdc/stash is root.root, user and group +r |
| 12:08.12 | KD0BPV | nothing on other. |
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| 12:08.31 | abrotman | KD0BPV: it's 644? |
| 12:08.38 | abrotman | KD0BPV: what about the directory? |
| 12:09.00 | KD0BPV | Is it really wise to make it world-readable? |
| 12:09.37 | KD0BPV | and how do I get the numeric representation on the command line? |
| 12:10.08 | abrotman | you sohuld be able to interpret that |
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| 12:10.47 | KD0BPV | I used to be able to... But I haven't used the numerics in a LONG time. |
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| 12:11.20 | KD0BPV | If memory serves... |
| 12:11.31 | abrotman | 644 would be rw-r--r-- |
| 12:12.20 | KD0BPV | Ok, so the directory is 700, the stash file is 640 |
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| 12:13.14 | KD0BPV | do they both need to be 644, then? |
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| 12:16.25 | Abderraouf | h all |
| 12:16.30 | Abderraouf | heeeeeeeeeeeelp |
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| 12:17.29 | Abderraouf | i download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-dvd/ "N1" |
| 12:17.37 | Abderraouf | md5 ok |
| 12:17.38 | Abderraouf | but |
| 12:17.54 | Abderraouf | uname -a; Linux dhcppc0 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 11:00:33 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:18.15 | Abderraouf | i have intel i7-2600 |
| 12:18.20 | Abderraouf | i need 32 bit |
| 12:18.23 | Abderraouf | uname -a Linux dhcppc0 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 11:00:33 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:18.35 | GNU\colossus | why would you need a 32bit kernel? |
| 12:18.39 | Abderraouf | why amd64??!! |
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| 12:18.55 | GNU\colossus | because that's what the architecture was originally called. AMD invented it. |
| 12:18.59 | GNU\colossus | Intel licensed it. |
| 12:19.03 | abrotman | Abderraouf: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:19.09 | engla | Abderraouf: it's a name of the x86-64 architecture |
| 12:19.12 | GNU\colossus | your Core i7 is amd64 compatible |
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| 12:19.21 | engla | you canc use i386 on amd, even if "i" is for intel |
| 12:19.29 | abrotman | uhm, he did folks |
| 12:19.33 | Abderraouf | command not found |
| 12:19.36 | HelenB_ | Please can someone teamview me and figure out why loopback isn't working? :/ |
| 12:19.40 | abrotman | no |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | Abderraouf: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 12:19.48 | HelenB_ | This problem is really getting on my |
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| 12:20.05 | Abderraouf | i386 |
| 12:20.06 | HelenB_ | nerves I've been battling it for months now. |
| 12:20.21 | Abderraouf | in ubuntu was i686 |
| 12:20.26 | abrotman | Abderraouf: so you'r eusing 32bit userland, 64bit kernel .. if you want a 32bit kernel, isntall linux-image-686 |
| 12:20.30 | Abderraouf | and not amd |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:21.04 | Abderraouf | how install 32 bit for intel i7? |
| 12:21.06 | abrotman | or linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 12:21.14 | os_ | GNU\colossus: Abderraouf has download 1368 DVD ; and install it .. but suddenly he found a 64bit kernel ! |
| 12:21.26 | HelenB_ | Pls? |
| 12:21.46 | Abderraouf | linux-image-686-bigmem or linux-image-686?? |
| 12:21.52 | abrotman | Abderraouf: how much RAM do you have? |
| 12:21.57 | HelenB_ | I really want to play some music here guys. |
| 12:22.01 | engla | and what's the problem with an amd64 kernel |
| 12:22.01 | Abderraouf | 3.8gp |
| 12:22.13 | abrotman | 3.8? |
| 12:22.15 | Abderraouf | i have intel |
| 12:22.23 | Abderraouf | 3.8GB |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | engla: it's not worth fighting about |
| 12:22.31 | engla | clearly |
| 12:22.34 | abrotman | Abderraouf: install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 12:23.17 | Abderraouf | sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem? |
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| 12:24.56 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:25.25 | Abderraouf | sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 12:25.35 | Abderraouf | abderraouf is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 12:25.42 | abrotman | so use 'su' |
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| 12:26.02 | Abderraouf | Unknown id: apt-get |
| 12:26.04 | Abderraouf | x.x |
| 12:26.48 | abrotman | just 'su', type in the root password |
| 12:26.51 | Abderraouf | it is installing now |
| 12:26.52 | abrotman | then use the apt-get command |
| 12:27.01 | Abderraouf | sorry |
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| 12:27.10 | os_ | Abderraouf: su -c "apt-get install .............................." |
| 12:27.18 | safridzal | hei, im running testing KDE 64bit right now, and i want to upgrade to sid. apt-get upgrade show 14 package unupgrade, and webian weather says that ia32libs is uninstalable on 64bit.. should i enable multiarch? |
| 12:27.28 | Abderraouf | and chose the kernel in boot? fro grub? |
| 12:27.29 | safridzal | whats the pros/con of multiarch? |
| 12:27.48 | abrotman | Abderraouf: should enable itself |
| 12:28.12 | Abderraouf | ok |
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| 12:28.57 | Abderraouf | how i can get linux kernel 3.xx |
| 12:29.10 | Abderraouf | am using stable 6.0.6 |
| 12:29.52 | Abderraouf | how i can get linux kernel 3.xx |
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| 12:29.58 | Abderraouf | am using stable 6.0.6 |
| 12:31.05 | abrotman | Abderraouf: see instructions at backports.debian.org |
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| 12:32.07 | Abderraouf | yes but how? |
| 12:32.12 | Abderraouf | x.x |
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| 12:32.19 | Abderraouf | am new in seian |
| 12:32.23 | abrotman | Abderraouf: see instructions at backports.debian.org |
| 12:32.27 | Abderraouf | debian* |
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| 12:32.40 | Abderraouf | i do |
| 12:32.43 | Abderraouf | that |
| 12:32.45 | Abderraouf | ز- |
| 12:32.47 | Abderraouf | :) |
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| 12:33.03 | abrotman | so you read everything? and you've followed the instructions? |
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| 12:34.01 | Abderraouf | oww this http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:34.24 | KD0BPV | abrotman: I tried changing the permissions to what you seemd to be suggesting... Still getting the same error. |
| 12:34.38 | abrotman | KD0BPV: it was a suggestion .. perhaps read the docs for the program |
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| 12:36.30 | KD0BPV | abrotman: I have been. Everything suggests that it should be working. And it was for a while. It just stopped working after a reboot only a couple days ago. |
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| 12:39.45 | Abderraouf | <abrotman>: he didn't ugrade the kernel |
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| 12:40.25 | Abderraouf | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package"; Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package package |
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| 12:41.53 | ivank | when building a debian package, are all patches in debian/patches applied automatically, or do I need to specify something explicitly? |
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| 12:48.16 | ectospasm | ivank: you may want to ask that in #debian-mentors (either on freenode or oftc) |
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| 12:49.03 | ivank | i think i foudn it in the doc |
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| 12:51.10 | me-1 | hi...when should I expect next stable release..? |
| 12:52.56 | ectospasm | me-1: short answer? When it's ready. |
| 12:53.11 | ectospasm | me-1: there are a number of RC bugs which much be fixed first |
| 12:53.24 | me-1 | any idea |
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| 12:54.06 | Danic | definitely after end of world this month |
| 12:54.06 | abrotman | Abderraouf: do you really believe "package" is the name of hte package you want? |
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| 12:55.05 | me-1 | Danic, yes I want to taste debian wheezy before world ends on 21 dec |
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| 12:55.26 | Abderraouf | idk |
| 12:55.34 | abrotman | me-1: there is no set date, the number of RC bugs needs to be 0 before release |
| 12:55.46 | Abderraouf | meybe it is apt conf or samthing like that |
| 12:55.48 | abrotman | Abderraouf: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 12:55.51 | Abderraouf | lol |
| 12:56.31 | Abderraouf | apt-get or aptitude the sest? |
| 12:56.36 | Abderraouf | best* |
| 12:56.51 | ectospasm | Abderraouf: depends on who you talk to, they both have pros and cons |
| 12:57.22 | Abderraouf | like...? |
| 12:57.47 | Abderraouf | http://www.ardebian.org/blogs/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86 |
| 12:57.50 | Abderraouf | good? |
| 12:58.09 | ectospasm | aptitude contains most of what you need in one command, apt-get et al. is a collection of commands. |
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| 12:58.36 | ectospasm | somethings you can't do with aptitude, like dist-upgrade. aptitude has better dependency handling than apt-get |
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| 12:59.17 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell Abderraouf why aptitude |
| 12:59.17 | abrotman | you can do a dist-upgrade with aptitude, i do it daily |
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| 12:59.36 | ectospasm | abrotman: I thought it doesn't have the dist-upgrade target... |
| 12:59.42 | ectospasm | ...or at least, I don't use it. |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | ectospasm: it cals it full-upgrade perhaps, still the same thing |
| 12:59.57 | Abderraouf | how sources.list file sholde be to get last softweres but not bete...like ubuntu |
| 13:00.05 | abrotman | Abderraouf: you have that already |
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| 13:01.03 | abrotman | ectospasm: aptitude has both full/dist-upgrade .. they're the same thing |
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| 13:01.12 | Abderraouf | am using stabele |
| 13:01.16 | abrotman | right |
| 13:01.34 | ectospasm | abrotman: I didn't think full-upgrade would get you say from squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | Abderraouf: perhaps you should learn how to use Debian before you try to break it? |
| 13:01.43 | ectospasm | ...but I may be wrong. |
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| 13:01.59 | abrotman | ectospasm: the recommended method is using apt-get, but it really depends on your package set |
| 13:02.10 | abrotman | ectospasm: apt-get is "dumber" .. |
| 13:02.34 | ectospasm | yes, and by that token it won't aggressively remove packages |
| 13:02.42 | ectospasm | ...or at least, not as aggressively. |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | ectospasm: so if you've a full desktop with all sorts of crazy packages, aptitude sometimes cannot figure out how to fulfill all dependencies, etc .. in reality, it can work perfectly fine |
| 13:02.51 | Abderraouf | how sources.list file sholde be to get last softweres but not bete...like ubuntu |
| 13:02.58 | Abderraouf | beta* |
| 13:02.59 | abrotman | Abderraouf: you have the correct sources.list already |
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| 13:03.20 | abrotman | Abderraouf: squeeze is the latest stable release, the backports enable some newer software |
| 13:03.56 | Abderraouf | what about this? http://www.ardebian.org/blogs/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86 |
| 13:04.37 | abrotman | Abderraouf: that's a really bad idea .. your system will break |
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| 13:04.44 | Abderraouf | owwwwwwwwww |
| 13:04.52 | Abderraouf | meybe like now |
| 13:04.58 | Abderraouf | in the new kernel |
| 13:05.00 | Abderraouf | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw for module r8169 W: Possible missing firmw |
| 13:05.04 | Abderraouf | lol |
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| 13:05.10 | Abderraouf | what i can do, |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | Abderraouf: you need to enable contrib and non-free .. |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | Abderraouf: add the words " contrib non-free" to the end of every line in sources.list |
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| 13:05.40 | abrotman | then install the package that has that firmware |
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| 13:06.48 | Abderraouf | " contrib non-free" in the end of all lines?! (not talking about spases and empety lines |
| 13:06.56 | FernandoBasso | Once upon a time, I used to open /etc/php<Version>/php.ini and uncomment lines like extension=pdo.so and extension=mysqli.so. What about now? I don't see those lines in php.ini anymore... |
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| 13:09.23 | abrotman | FernandoBasso: isn't there a sort of modules.d or something under that |
| 13:09.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | Abderraouf: i'nm not going to respond to you in msg |
| 13:10.00 | Kre10s | So I'm trying to get blink to work. Turns out i have some sound config issues. Alsamixer won't start; cannot load mixer controls: Invlid argument. aplay works great arecord produces really bad quality. any suggestions? |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | Abderraouf: yes, every line that has contrent |
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| 13:10.27 | abrotman | steps away .. entrusts that ectospasm can help Abderraouf :) |
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| 13:12.49 | FernandoBasso | abrotman: Yep. They are there. Thanks. |
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| 13:15.56 | Abderraouf | so bad. i cant get linux 3 |
| 13:16.07 | Abderraouf | i add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 13:16.55 | Abderraouf | to etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:21.58 | ag4ve | nm, -p works |
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| 13:26.42 | piece3 | Hi all, I'm having great difficulty establishing a netowork link to install debian |
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| 13:44.57 | movl | piece3, be more specific |
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| 13:46.14 | piece3 | movl: Ok, I have 2 network adaptors, neither seem to be working correctly with the system |
| 13:46.52 | piece3 | movl: One is an Inetel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 802.11 a/g/n |
| 13:47.16 | movl | what type of connection? |
| 13:47.22 | piece3 | movl: I believe that should be the iwlagn driver, however manually selecting from the drivers doesn't work |
| 13:47.48 | piece3 | movl: that's wireless, I also have a lan connection, but it's also not working |
| 13:47.50 | movl | oh, so the kernel can |
| 13:47.57 | movl | t see the NIC? |
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| 13:48.04 | movl | *can |
| 13:48.07 | movl | damn |
| 13:48.12 | movl | *can't |
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| 13:49.11 | piece3 | movl: during the setup it can't talk to the router, either with a wireless connection or lan connection |
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| 13:49.25 | movl | logs? |
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| 13:51.05 | piece3 | movl: hold on, I'll connect a usb and copy over the logs, it will take some time |
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| 13:52.14 | movl | piece3, why did you have to manually select the network driver? |
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| 13:52.16 | piece3 | movl: One point is that the lan conneciton is a USB 2 to Lan gigabyte connector |
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| 13:52.49 | tsolox | hello.. i need help how to configure fusionforge in debian? |
| 13:52.54 | piece3 | movl: if I don't connect the usb adaptor then it doens't detect any network device |
| 13:53.09 | movl | so wireless is out of the question, I gather |
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| 13:53.36 | tsolox | already installed fusionforge-full, but i don't know how to make changes in apache2 configuration so that fusionforge websites will appear.. |
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| 13:54.48 | babilen | tsolox: Does it come with a README.Debian and/or other documentation in /usr/share/doc/fusionforge*/ ? If so, then I would recommend to read it. |
| 13:55.26 | piece3 | movl: I was trying to use wirless, I have no idea why it can't detect as the iwlagn driver has been in the kernel for a while |
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| 13:56.16 | piece3 | movl: When It gave me the option to manually select the driver I also tried to manually select iwlagn, but it still couldn't see the wireless adaptor |
| 13:56.18 | movl | piece3, what if you install without a network connection? |
| 13:56.54 | piece3 | movl: it's the netinstall iso on a usb, if I do that, how do I connect to repositories to update |
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| 13:57.28 | movl | get a full ISO, with firmware, if possible |
| 13:57.39 | movl | I suspect that will solve the issue |
| 13:58.02 | piece3 | movl: could you suggest which to download as i see the dvd sets span like 20 something DVD's? |
| 13:58.33 | movl | give me a min. |
| 13:58.34 | piece3 | movl: One point, I'm only wanting to install debian squeeze |
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| 13:58.56 | blackness | how do i boot the debian livecd from grub2? |
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| 13:59.24 | ectospasm | abrotman: d'oh, I stepped away at about the same time... |
| 14:00.15 | movl | piece3, get the 1st DVD |
| 14:00.19 | movl | it's enough |
| 14:00.40 | movl | then put this on a USB and install it: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ |
| 14:00.46 | needle | piece3: a good hint would be, use a live cd, where everything you need works, do then "lspci -k" to see the modules the livecd kernel is using, this would probably help you to see the needed modules you would need to load before installing debian |
| 14:00.50 | piece3 | movl: Would the first CD be enough, or should it be the DVD, I'll be putting it on a USB stick |
| 14:01.13 | movl | the 1st CD is alright too |
| 14:01.21 | WormFood | I have a hard drive with an ext4 filesystem. I have a list of bad blocks on the drive. I'm trying to figure out what files are allocated to the bad blocks. So far, I can find *nothing* that will give me this information. I've googled, and found that debugfs's icheck and ncheck will tell me the inode for a block, and what files are allocated to that inode (in turn, the bad block), but it does not work. I the icheck commend for debugfs always gives me "i |
| 14:01.21 | WormFood | check: Can't read next inode while doing inode scan". Does anyone have a clue what is going on? why this won't work? |
| 14:01.36 | piece3 | needle: I find it difficult ot get liveCD working from USB sticks |
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| 14:01.53 | movl | piece3, unetbootin |
| 14:02.08 | sussudio | i can't even get a usb stick to work with linux... it just barfs. |
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| 14:02.35 | WormFood | I'm guessing maybe it has something to do with the fact that I'm using extents on my ext4 filesystem. I've googled and found other people with the same problem, but no solution. |
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| 14:03.22 | piece3 | movl: Yeah I use unetbootin, I tried the Centos LiveCD and LiveDVD, tried every method, could never get it working, I tried the first DVD and it loaded fine. I know it's not Debian, but throught it may have similar results |
| 14:03.34 | piece3 | movl: I also tried dd command, same results |
| 14:03.47 | piece3 | movl: LiveCD's always end up with kernel panic |
| 14:03.48 | ectospasm | WormFood: bad blocks howto should help you find which inodes are bad |
| 14:04.09 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.37 | WormFood | finding the bad blocks is trivial...finding out what files belong those bad blocks seem to be impossible |
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| 14:05.03 | ectospasm | WormFood: it's not impossible. I've done it myself. You need to figure out what inodes are at those bad sectors |
| 14:05.19 | WormFood | ectospasm, how do I do that? |
| 14:05.27 | ectospasm | ... |
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| 14:05.29 | ectospasm | hold on |
| 14:05.32 | WormFood | what command will give me the inode for a given block? |
| 14:05.43 | WormFood | and don't tell me icheck with debugfs, because I just said, that does not work. |
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| 14:07.22 | WormFood | "icheck: Can't read next inode while doing inode scan" is the only thing I can get out of the icheck command in debugfs....why would it be scanning inodes? It isn't even mounted. I have no clue what that error message means without more information. |
| 14:07.49 | movl | piece3, you don't have a native Ethernet port on that machine? |
| 14:08.05 | piece3 | Nope, only 2 USB 3 ports |
| 14:08.12 | WormFood | the only thing accessing the drive is badblocks, and of course, that is read-only |
| 14:09.12 | WormFood | so...I'm suspecting maybe this problem has something to do with the fact that I have extents enabled, but can't find anything with google to confirm or deny that suspicion |
| 14:09.54 | ectospasm | WormFood, you know what sector is bad, yes? |
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| 14:10.09 | epsilon | piece3: Advanced-N 6235 802.11 a/g/n <- install wheezy and the non-free driver as suggested in the installer |
| 14:10.24 | ectospasm | WormFood: testb didn't work for you? |
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| 14:10.50 | piece3 | epsilon: Is that an option on the net installer? |
| 14:10.52 | ectospasm | WormFood: what sector relative to the partition is this? |
| 14:10.54 | WormFood | I know what block is bad |
| 14:10.56 | needle | WormFood: you should check maybe read the ext4 documentation instead. |
| 14:10.59 | epsilon | piece3: yes |
| 14:11.01 | WormFood | not what sector |
| 14:11.11 | WormFood | needle, please be more specific |
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| 14:11.15 | ectospasm | WormFood: what is telling you the block is bad? |
| 14:11.19 | WormFood | what part? |
| 14:11.24 | WormFood | badblocks is telling me |
| 14:11.43 | ectospasm | WormFood: are you running SMART? |
| 14:11.46 | WormFood | I can get the bad sector number from the log files, and convert that into a block number |
| 14:11.48 | WormFood | of course |
| 14:12.09 | WormFood | and yes, testb works...it just tells me the block is in use |
| 14:12.13 | ectospasm | WormFood: you can pass the sector number to debugfs/testb |
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| 14:12.27 | epsilon | piece3: and if you have sandy/ivy bridge core i something notebook, stick together with wheezy and compile vanila kernel if the system is unstable/freezing |
| 14:12.31 | WormFood | why would I do that? what would it gain me? |
| 14:12.43 | ectospasm | WormFood: it will tell you which inode and which file is bad. |
| 14:12.57 | ectospasm | WormFood: did you actually read this? http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html |
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| 14:13.22 | piece3 | epsilon: When i'm in the net installer, I don't see an option to install wheezy, it's not in the driver list |
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| 14:13.45 | WormFood | debugfs: testb 262400127 --> Block 262400127 marked in use |
| 14:13.51 | epsilon | piece3: which iso do you use? 6.0.6 or wheezy-beta? |
| 14:14.05 | ectospasm | WormFood: look beneath Pathname |
| 14:14.09 | WormFood | so, where is the file that is assigned to that block? That is not what testb does. It simply tests the block, to see if it is allocated |
| 14:14.22 | WormFood | ectospasm, do you think, that if it gave me that info, I would still be asking for it? |
| 14:14.28 | ectospasm | WormFood: it should list the Inode and the Pathname |
| 14:14.28 | piece3 | epsilon: I'm using the debian squeze net install |
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| 14:15.03 | WormFood | ectospasm, I sent you a /msg with the full outuput |
| 14:15.08 | WormFood | as not to spam the channel |
| 14:15.08 | ectospasm | WormFood: don't PM. |
| 14:15.15 | ectospasm | WormFood: use pastebin for that. |
| 14:15.34 | WormFood | yeah, like I want to use pastebin for 4 lines |
| 14:15.41 | needle | haha |
| 14:15.41 | ectospasm | !paste |
| 14:15.42 | epsilon | piece3: if you have current core i series, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:15.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:15.58 | ectospasm | WormFood: and now you're ignored for not following etiquette. |
| 14:16.10 | epsilon | piece3: you won't have fun using stable |
| 14:16.10 | WormFood | anyways, testb does NOT tell me what filename it belongs to |
| 14:16.35 | WormFood | ectospasm, this is irc, if you don't want a /msg, then don't be on irc. |
| 14:16.40 | ectospasm | WormFood: ncheck |
| 14:16.44 | ectospasm | ncheck inode |
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| 14:17.04 | ectospasm | WormFood: no, someone else might find this useful |
| 14:17.16 | piece3 | epsilon: ok will try it, I have the 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i5-3317U processor |
| 14:17.18 | WormFood | how to get the inode? |
| 14:17.19 | epsilon | piece3: i had setup similar system, and I even had to compile 3.6* on wheezy to make it recognise all hardware and run without crash |
| 14:17.32 | WormFood | that is the problem. I can't get the inode from the block number |
| 14:17.57 | WormFood | and even ncheck does not work, "ncheck: Can't read next inode while doing inode scan" |
| 14:18.00 | ectospasm | WormFood: icheck <sector> |
| 14:18.04 | ectospasm | Inode number |
| 14:18.12 | ectospasm | ncheck <inode number> |
| 14:18.14 | WormFood | I don't have an inode number yet |
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| 14:18.49 | epsilon | piece3: and forget all distros based on debian package, such as Mint Linux Debian Edition. Same instability with "old" 3.2 kernel |
| 14:18.50 | ectospasm | if testb returns that it's in use, then you should be able to run icheck on the sector, then ncheck on the inode that gets returned |
| 14:19.08 | WormFood | icheck is supposed to accept the block number, and return the inode...that does not work, it only gives me an error. |
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| 14:19.25 | piece3 | epsilon: Ok, thanks for the advice I'll give it a shot and let you know my results |
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| 14:19.48 | ectospasm | WormFood: did you calculate the block number correctly? |
| 14:20.01 | WormFood | ectospasm, that is the problem, icheck does not work, as I originally stated....it just tells me I can't read the next inode while doing an inode scan....which makes no sense, because the filesystem isn't even mounted. |
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| 14:20.19 | WormFood | I checked the block size, matches badblocks block size |
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| 14:20.30 | WormFood | and even if the block number was wrong, it still shouldn't be giving me an error. |
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| 14:21.05 | ectospasm | maybe there's something really wrong with the filesystem, or the underlying disk |
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| 14:21.15 | WormFood | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/37119/find-which-files-are-affected-by-bad-blocks-on-ext4-filesystem <-- here is a nice page that explains how to do what I want...it just does not work as advertised. |
| 14:22.00 | ectospasm | WormFood: last time i did this, I didn't have any problems |
| 14:22.08 | WormFood | it has bad blocks...of course....other than that, I don't think anything is wrong, except of course the normal file system/file corruption associated with that.....but still, I wouldn't expect this. I can still mount and read the disk ok, except for one directory. |
| 14:22.10 | ectospasm | of course, the bad sectors were in the journal |
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| 14:22.57 | WormFood | I've googled, and seen other people asking the same question (same problem), and no answers to any of them. |
| 14:23.12 | ectospasm | WormFood: sounds like a bug |
| 14:23.14 | WormFood | I'm at a loss...I don't know what to do next. |
| 14:23.19 | ectospasm | WormFood: I hope you have backups. |
| 14:23.32 | WormFood | I need to find out what files are bad, so I can figure out what I need to do |
| 14:23.38 | WormFood | I have backups of the important stuff. |
| 14:23.49 | WormFood | the stuff I really care about, is pretty small |
| 14:24.13 | WormFood | but, I need to find out what is corrupt, so I can delete it, or replace it. |
| 14:24.19 | _KaszpiR_ | ddrescue |
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| 14:25.01 | WormFood | _KaszpiR_, how is that supposed to help me? So, I make a copy to another drive, and I STILL can't find out what the bad files are. |
| 14:26.00 | WormFood | this is just really frustrating, because I know what to do, I know how to do it....but god damn it, it just doesn't work. |
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| 14:28.36 | WormFood | and it seems like this problem goes back at almost 15 years....i'm finding messages from 1998, with the same error message |
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| 14:28.52 | ectospasm | WormFood: is this on squeeze? You may have luck with a newer debugfs... |
| 14:29.09 | WormFood | yeah, this is on squeeze...and that thought crossed my mind too |
| 14:29.33 | ectospasm | I'm just saying that the debugfs on sid is using 1.42.5 (29 Jul 2012) |
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| 14:32.28 | _KaszpiR_ | welcome to zfs |
| 14:32.29 | _KaszpiR_ | XD |
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| 14:32.50 | WormFood | thanks ectospasm...but I sorta doubt that will help (but I will give it a shot)....I found someone that says some of their bad blocks return this same error I'm getting, and other ones work. |
| 14:34.03 | ectospasm | yeah, the last time I had bad sectors (returned by SMART), it pretty much went by the book |
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| 14:34.45 | WormFood | I wished it was working that way for me. |
| 14:35.03 | ectospasm | ...of course, in both cases I didn't have to do anything major (like recover files). One bad block was in the journal, the other was a disk in RAID6 |
| 14:35.22 | WormFood | I've been using Linux since 1995. I've encountered my fair share of disk problems...but never expected this kind of problem. |
| 14:35.53 | WormFood | there is nothing critical on this hard drive....well, actually, nothing critical on any of my computers. |
| 14:35.57 | ectospasm | popped out the RAID disk, popped in the spare, and cleared the bad sector with the bad disk connected to my workstation, while the array was rebuilding... now the "bad" disk is the spare. |
| 14:36.11 | WormFood | the things I truly care about, I have backed up in multiple locations. |
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| 14:39.51 | bubull3 | you should never use a bad disk, buy another they are cheap |
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| 14:42.22 | WormFood | bubull3, I have no intentions of using it...but I still need to find out what is corrupt on it. |
| 14:45.15 | WormFood | I got a for/in/do loop, running through my bad blocks, feeding it into debugfs' icheck....gone through about 20 of 'em so far....every single one, still says "icheck: Can't read next inode while doing inode scan" |
| 14:45.43 | WormFood | perhaps that means that one of my bad sectors is over the structure that contains the block to inode mappings |
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| 14:46.22 | bubull3 | WormFood: not easy... you could compare the files from a know good backup or create a md5sum list of all your files, i ve done smth like that once |
| 14:46.50 | bubull3 | know -> known |
| 14:46.54 | abrotman | ectospasm: hopefully he got it figured out :) |
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| 14:48.26 | WormFood | unfortunately, I don't have a backup of much of this stuff, nor do I have md5 checksums....if I had that handy, figuring out what is going on wouldn't be a problem |
| 14:53.52 | WormFood | even if I can't fix it, I'd at least like to know, what in the hell "Can't read next inode while doing inode scan" means....does that mean it can't read the next inode, because an inode scan is in progress....or does it mean, that it can't read the next inode when it is scanning through available inodes? |
| 14:57.26 | demona | What's the best way to install packages from a list without removing any current ones? |
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| 15:19.55 | abrotman | demona: what? |
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| 15:24.22 | demona | Don't know how else to phrase it. |
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| 15:28.39 | inspire | demona: What have you tried, and in what way did that not work for you? |
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| 15:29.37 | demona | 1) dpjk --set-selections < selections 2) apt-get dselect-upgrade Since this removes packages, including ones I explicitly have listed in the 'selections' file, I must be doing something obviously stupid and wrong. |
| 15:29.40 | demona | *dpkg |
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| 15:30.59 | inspire | demona: And this is all within a particular version of debian (not upgrading versions of debian), and you've run apt-get update? |
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| 15:31.53 | demona | This is after: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install dselect, dselect access, dselect upgrade |
| 15:32.00 | demona | No dist-upgrade. |
| 15:32.36 | inspire | demona: What I've been known to do is to create a little shell script -- "apt-get install <packages wanted>" |
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| 15:33.01 | inspire | Might not be the cleanest, but it works, and doesn't seem to have nasty side effects. |
| 15:33.25 | demona | I actually don't care about how they get installed as long as I can remastersys when they're installed |
| 15:34.04 | demona | I had originally thought some of the packages I wanted installed were conflicting with existing ones, but when it says "i'm gonna remove this package that you wanted me to install which isn't even installed yet", something else is definitely up |
| 15:34.26 | inspire | demona: apt-get -f install runs cleanly? |
| 15:34.49 | demona | Haven't had any problems with apt-get yet, haven't needed -f |
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| 15:35.20 | inspire | demona: And sometimes, depending on the situation, a dist-upgrade can help -- e.g., when an upgrade would pull in new packages. |
| 15:35.48 | nsanee | Hi, I have a Debian squeeze install. Everything was working as normal until a few days ago when I did apt-get update & upgrade. Now I constantly loose connection to the machine each few minutes, be it SSH or game (I have a game server running). Any tips on where should I look for the cause? |
| 15:35.59 | inspire | demona: And if you apt-get install just the package that is then slated for removal, what happens? |
| 15:36.00 | demona | Most of the packages I'm installing are older ones |
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| 15:36.30 | demona | ...what the hell...when did that get installed. |
| 15:36.35 | demona | It says it's already installed. |
| 15:36.37 | demona | Christ. |
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| 15:37.16 | demona | I was doing it on a clean fresh system, but somewhere along the way this happened...fucking hell |
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| 15:37.28 | inspire | covers his ears |
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| 15:38.14 | inspire | nsanee: Did any of kernel or libc get upgraded in that batch? |
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| 15:38.35 | inspire | nsanee: Or anything else that a good ol' reboot might help...? |
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| 15:40.46 | nsanee | inspire: Hmm. Reboot. The last thing I'd expect to solve anything. Btw dunno how to check what was upgraded |
| 15:41.05 | AFernandez | im trying to install Debian on a virtual box ...and i chose an nfs share for the hard drive space i get error sayng grun can not be installed..... |
| 15:41.15 | AFernandez | grub* |
| 15:41.30 | inspire | nsanee: Well, depending on what was upgraded, how good you are at tracking down processes using stale libs, a reboot might be expedient. |
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| 15:44.22 | inspire | nsanee: And upgrade / install actions should be logged, fwiw. |
| 15:44.22 | nsanee | inspire: Well I'll try it, my best bet anyway, thanks :) |
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| 15:51.30 | tremon | nsanee: I've had connection dropouts with wheezy when I didn't have the network card's firmware installed, maybe check that too |
| 15:51.30 | Danic | hi there. I played with my PATH variable and added "/home/user/bin" in front. Now I want to remove this, but everytime I open a new gnome-terminal I have that stupid home-path in it again. I tried: "PATH=..." then "export PATH". That works, but only for the current gnome-terminal |
| 15:51.55 | wols_ | then edit it wherever you have set this in your .files |
| 15:52.15 | wols_ | grep home/user/bin ~/.* for a start |
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| 15:53.27 | Danic | i cant remember that I wrote it into a file. your script finds only a value in .bash_history. |
| 15:53.39 | wols_ | then check /etc too |
| 15:54.14 | wols_ | and if you haven't written it into a script anywhere then it's gone with a reboot at the latest. a logout from X should do it already tho |
| 15:54.33 | wols_ | rather: written it into a shell configuration file |
| 15:55.34 | tremon | I wouldn't be surprised if gnome allowed you to set envvars through a gui |
| 15:55.57 | blackness | how do i boot the debian livecd from grub2? |
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| 15:56.47 | wols_ | blackness: 2nd hit for "boot iso grub" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot |
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| 15:57.22 | Danic | OK, 'sudo grep -r "/home/user/bin' /" returns nothing but those two lines in ~/.bash_history |
| 15:57.23 | inspire | Danic: I've seen environments that automatically add ~/bin to PATH if there is a ~/bin directory... |
| 15:57.52 | blackness | is this the same method for debian? |
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| 15:58.53 | tremon | Danic: grep for ~/bin and $HOME/bin too |
| 15:58.55 | Danic | inspire I deleted the folder and try another restart |
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| 15:59.25 | hoxu | /etc/skel/.profile actually contains addition of ~/bin/ by default |
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| 16:01.43 | Danic | aw man |
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| 16:02.23 | Danic | inspire, hoxu: thanks. |
| 16:02.23 | hoxu | !/etc/skel |
| 16:02.23 | dpkg | /etc/skel is, like, the dir that is copied as a default home dir when a new user is created |
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| 16:02.55 | pfred1 | skeletons on your closet |
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| 16:05.22 | dcherniv | who the hell writes those factoids and thinks they are funny or something |
| 16:05.34 | dcherniv | or, like, smart maybe |
| 16:06.17 | inspire | dcherniv: The preamble, "is, like, " is supplied by blootbot. The rest, in this case, seems useful enough. |
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| 16:06.42 | dcherniv | blootbot? |
| 16:06.52 | inspire | I'm pretty sure dpkg is a blootbot. |
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| 16:20.45 | demona | Stymied again. Tried going down the list installing packages manually a few at a time, ran into some circular libc6 issue |
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| 16:21.10 | demona | Again, probably because I'm trying to install a lot of older packages, and they're conflicting in some way |
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| 16:30.33 | mrtnt | I have a following simple topology: Cisco2960[Fa0/1] <-> [eth0]server. eth0 is using e1000e module. Is it possible to bring eth0 down in a way that switch port Fa0/1 shows not-connected? I tried with "ip link set eth0 down" and "modprobe -rv e1000e", but the Fa0/1 is still up. |
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| 16:47.59 | tremon | does anyone know how global options in logrotate.conf work? Do they still apply if I add a logfile-specific section? |
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| 16:48.48 | tremon | more specific, if I set "maxage 180" as a global option, will it get applied to all logfiles? |
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| 16:51.08 | tremon | the manpage says "local definitions override global ones, and later definitions override earlier ones" but not which statements will be overridden (for example, the statement "weekly" overrides "monthly", but does "size" override "rotate"? |
| 16:51.14 | tremon | ) |
| 16:51.39 | tremon | nvm, I'll tias |
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| 16:52.40 | freezee | I want to make a program that builds a linked HTML representation of the local man pages. I was thinking I will need to parse a plain text representation of each man page, and the search the filesystem for any references like cp(1). The index databases don't seem to maintain a command name -> path information. Is there a less hacky way of doing this? |
| 16:53.39 | freezee | man-db doesn't appear to give you any commands for retrieving the location of a man page for some command. |
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| 16:56.26 | freezee | The man program appears to glob in the man paths each time you type man command, rather than querying databases. The databases seem to just contain command name -> synopsis information :( |
| 16:57.35 | s0urd | how you check your kernel version |
| 16:57.48 | sussudio | uname -a |
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| 16:58.38 | Armand | su-su-sussudioooo!! |
| 16:58.59 | Zeeflo | good song! |
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| 16:59.03 | Zeeflo | great band! |
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| 16:59.19 | Dagger2 | freespace: man2html already does that, doesn't it? |
| 16:59.30 | Armand | :) |
| 16:59.37 | pfred1 | was never much of a Phil Collins fan |
| 16:59.47 | Armand | slaps pfred1 with a drum kit |
| 17:00.09 | s0urd | should I upgrade from 2.6.32 to 3.6.9 ? |
| 17:00.16 | Zeeflo | absolutely! |
| 17:00.21 | pfred1 | why? |
| 17:00.27 | Zeeflo | cause you can? |
| 17:00.34 | Armand | O_o |
| 17:00.37 | pfred1 | not a valid reason |
| 17:00.40 | Armand | No |
| 17:00.43 | tremon | because 3.6.9 goes to eleven? |
| 17:01.00 | Armand | "cause you can" sounds like a Fedora reason. ¬_¬ |
| 17:01.02 | Zeeflo | no, cause youre f*cked and cant reverse! :D |
| 17:01.04 | s0urd | I mean 2.6 is stable right? |
| 17:01.18 | pfred1 | I read an interesting article once about kernel testing and not every new kernel outperforms older versions |
| 17:01.38 | Zeeflo | fedora... my arse! |
| 17:01.59 | s0urd | is it a security risk to have an old version ? |
| 17:02.01 | Zeeflo | id rather use win95 before i use fedora! |
| 17:02.20 | pfred1 | s0urd what do you think this is Windows? |
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| 17:02.46 | Armand | s0urd, security is only as good as you make it. ;) |
| 17:03.00 | pfred1 | I do remember having to upgrade a kernel once for security that was 2.0.28? |
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| 17:03.35 | s0urd | I mean whats the difference in having the newer version than the old? |
| 17:03.40 | pfred1 | it was vulnerable to the sping exploit as i can recall |
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| 17:04.19 | pfred1 | s0urd newer kernels oftan have new features and support new hardware |
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| 17:04.32 | nmschulte | Hi all. Does anyone know how the MTD system works? http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/index.html |
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| 17:05.14 | pfred1 | s0urd but if you don't need those features or hardware support there is often little benefit to upgrading kernels |
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| 17:06.01 | s0urd | but can I be better of just incase? or nah? |
| 17:06.03 | tremon | nmschulte: please ask specific questions, or at least explain why you think you need it |
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| 17:06.07 | tremon | ? |
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| 17:06.36 | nmschulte | tremon: sorry, please ignore my query. I'm trying to understand AOSP (android), and it uses the mtd subsystem. #android is not helpful. |
| 17:06.59 | nmschulte | I'm trying to understand the difference between the mtd endpoints and the mmc endpoints. |
| 17:07.21 | nmschulte | I have a feeling that the mtd endpoints are for the NOR flash, and the mmc endpoint is for the integrated NAND flash. |
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| 17:07.52 | tremon | nmschulte: I'd ask ##linux about that, or maybe some embedded channel. mtd is very device-specific |
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| 17:08.04 | nmschulte | tremon: thank you! #debian never fails, :) |
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| 17:08.35 | mrephex | ero |
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| 17:11.31 | yltrlruy | Does Debian come with binary blobs? |
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| 17:12.22 | AimHere | Debian does have a nonfree section from which it's pretty easy to install one binary blob or other |
| 17:12.39 | tsolox | just did 'apt-get install fusionforge-full'. Anybody knows what's the site admin/password of this web app? |
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| 17:14.07 | wols | ,versions fusionforge-full |
| 17:14.08 | judd | Package: fusionforge-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5.0.2-5; sid: 5.2-1 |
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| 17:16.31 | |thunder | why is it so impossible to get lirc working on squeeze ??!! |
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| 17:17.09 | yltrlruy | But are parts of the kernel nonfree? |
| 17:17.10 | GNU\colossus | it is? I might have to tell that to my lircd then, since it's been working since 2010, despite that apparently not being possible... |
| 17:17.37 | |thunder | well, then you must have recompiled your kernel AND compiled lirc from src. retarded |
| 17:17.47 | |thunder | taht lirc meta package is fakn useless |
| 17:18.01 | tremon | it depends on the driver. iirc lirc was in a state of flux around 2.6.32, some drivers were migrated to the in-kernel rc framework, some were still standalone |
| 17:18.40 | |thunder | im starting to pull out my hair. dont have enough HD space to recompile kernel. dang dang dang |
| 17:19.14 | |thunder | i guess it was integrated into the kernel at 2.6.35 or something |
| 17:19.34 | wols | |thunder: then use a backport kernel |
| 17:19.44 | |thunder | how broken will my system be if I dist-upgrade a regular 6.0 install? |
| 17:19.52 | wols | to what? |
| 17:19.56 | |thunder | hmm, dont know if i know how to do that |
| 17:19.58 | |thunder | idk |
| 17:20.06 | wols | !tell |thunder about bpo |
| 17:20.10 | tremon | !tell |thunder about bdo |
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| 17:20.16 | |thunder | ty wols tremon |
| 17:20.56 | tremon | is relieved that bpo and bdo are synonymous |
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| 17:21.24 | |thunder | yeah, they both did the same thing lol |
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| 17:37.15 | yltrlruy | Does Debian come with binary blobs in the kernel? |
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| 17:37.29 | zykotick9 | yltrlruy: starting with squeeze - no. |
| 17:38.11 | yltrlruy | zykotick9 so it comes with linux-libre? |
| 17:38.26 | zykotick9 | yltrlruy: no, it's debian-libre ;) |
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| 17:39.26 | yltrlruy | The kernel is called debian-libre? |
| 17:39.41 | zykotick9 | yltrlruy: if you see FSF's why not to use various distros, they mention Debian's efforts to remove the non-free kernel with squeeze -> but there's still that contrib/non-free stuff in repos ;) |
| 17:39.47 | zykotick9 | yltrlruy: no that was a joke. sorry. |
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| 17:40.09 | ompaul | yltrlruy: wtf - since the 150 person sig don't do blobs in the kernel even the linux-foundation has taken to being more careful about what goes where and no it is not called d-l but you might be interested in doing a line by line comparison |
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| 17:41.11 | ompaul | yltrlruy: I think you would see some differences - wrt what's removed, if you find stuff you think should be outside of the d-l kernel please file bugs |
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| 17:42.22 | tremon | what's the "150 person sig"? |
| 17:42.24 | ompaul | sadly the "taint" is a couple of hundred lines out of tens million with a changelog of about 5% consistent version on version on the l-f stuff |
| 17:42.33 | yltrlruy | But Linux itself still contains binary blobs, right? |
| 17:42.55 | ompaul | tremon: 150 kernel devs wrote a get your blobs out of my kernel doc a couple of years ago |
| 17:43.18 | ompaul | yltrlruy: ask l-l they know more about this |
| 17:43.21 | tremon | oh thx |
| 17:44.07 | tremon | yltrlruy: what's "Linux itself" ? Because to me, "Linux itself" is what is contained in Linus' git tree |
| 17:44.37 | pfred1 | for me Linux has always been what I downloaded off kernel.org |
| 17:44.38 | yltrlruy | The kernel, yeah |
| 17:45.31 | tremon | in that case, "Linux itself" does not contain binary blobs |
| 17:45.33 | pfred1 | http://www.impawards.com/1972/posters/beware_the_blob.jpg |
| 17:45.36 | tremon | it only contains ascii blobs |
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| 17:45.54 | tremon | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=firmware/atmsar11.HEX;h=dfddc190ac240cb6105d1d32dd088247d650d75a;hb=HEAD |
| 17:45.56 | yltrlruy | What are ascii blobs? |
| 17:46.27 | ompaul | alexandre is a great guy and his project http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ might tell you more - right now I have one question |
| 17:46.33 | ompaul | have you a debian question |
| 17:46.36 | yltrlruy | lol pfred1 |
| 17:46.41 | yltrlruy | I'm saving that |
| 17:47.12 | pfred1 | Larry Hagman didn't beware and look what just happened to him |
| 17:47.17 | ompaul | images are blobs ... what's the source for an image - svg if you go to some other format first is that a blob ... |
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| 17:47.41 | ompaul | so this is all offtopic |
| 17:47.54 | ompaul | #debian-offtopic welcomes diversions, this one would be suitable |
| 17:48.19 | Armand | sets up a traffic diversion in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:48.33 | pfred1 | ompaul if you want to make blob exclusion off topic for Debian I suggest yo uget Debian to put the blobs back into their mainstream kernel |
| 17:48.42 | ompaul | haha |
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| 17:49.04 | pfred1 | because frankly it has caused more grief than any good |
| 17:49.06 | ompaul | pfred1: I think the disucssion of it in a none tech support way just might be offtopic eh? |
| 17:49.31 | ompaul | and if it's a bug file it and get told Go Away (which I for one support) |
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| 17:59.12 | AFernandez | and how do i open a terminal? |
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| 18:02.49 | AFernandez | i installed debian and set up the root password im doing su then i enter the password for root and tells me is not the password im certain im usibng the rigth pw |
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| 18:07.59 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: sidenote unrelated to your current issue. you should consider using "su -" to log into root instead of just "su". it fakes a login, and your environment might be a bit better. |
| 18:08.16 | AFernandez | thanks |
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| 18:12.09 | AFernandez | trying to install xchat errors |
| 18:12.18 | AFernandez | thsi is a new installation |
| 18:12.28 | AFernandez | do i need extra repoditories after install? |
| 18:12.54 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: verify "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" runs correctly. |
| 18:13.01 | AFernandez | it does |
| 18:13.21 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: then check what your /etc/apt/sources.list has it it. only cdrom perhaps? |
| 18:13.22 | tremon | !bat |
| 18:13.22 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 18:15.27 | AFernandez | cd rom and others |
| 18:15.44 | AFernandez | whats a irc client that comes out of box ? |
| 18:16.06 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: that dpkg message was directed at you. we would need more information (in pastebins) to probably assist you further. |
| 18:16.10 | AFernandez | im on virtual machine |
| 18:16.39 | AFernandez | yes zykotick9 i did it only i can not paste here im on virtual machine |
| 18:16.49 | AFernandez | how do i paste from guest to host? |
| 18:17.13 | Rusher20x | hello |
| 18:17.39 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: in my VM's (using libvirt/kvm) - i don't have guest->host pasting. so i don't know, VB probably needs some extension working? |
| 18:17.56 | AFernandez | ok |
| 18:18.06 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: a paste.debian.net can't be that long... |
| 18:18.07 | AFernandez | xchat is installed in gnome...sorry :( |
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| 18:18.15 | Rusher20x | i have a question |
| 18:18.16 | tremon | if you can open an ssh session between host and guest, that would be the best |
| 18:18.53 | tremon | but I'm sure you can paste screenshots somewhere too |
| 18:18.53 | Rusher20x | does anyone know |
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| 18:19.10 | Rusher20x | how to get debian on x210 infotmic processor? |
| 18:19.13 | AFernandez | xchat is listed in internet applications but crashes |
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| 18:21.55 | r3m | AFernandez: if you want a GUI client take Smuxi , for console try irssi or weechat |
| 18:23.12 | AFernandez | ok thanks |
| 18:23.12 | tux-world | hi all. i want to create live from installed debian. this script can be create iso , but iso couldnot up after burning iso: http://paste.debian.net/215100/ |
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| 18:26.40 | AFernandez | backspace doesnt work in vi :( |
| 18:26.45 | AFernandez | noooooooooooo |
| 18:27.24 | AFernandez | arrows dont work either |
| 18:27.27 | AFernandez | im frustrated |
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| 18:30.18 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: install vim. "apt-get install vim" = problem solved |
| 18:31.32 | AFernandez | !paste |
| 18:31.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:32.27 | AFernandez | can not install vim either dependencies |
| 18:32.32 | AFernandez | apt-get install -f |
| 18:32.36 | AFernandez | didnt work |
| 18:32.46 | AFernandez | i dont know what kind of sources i have |
| 18:32.50 | AFernandez | nothing installs |
| 18:32.51 | AFernandez | :( |
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| 18:33.07 | AFernandez | this is a fresh debian stable installation |
| 18:33.26 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: ease up on the enter key... more thoughts per line. |
| 18:33.32 | AFernandez | sorry |
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| 18:34.04 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for the channel? |
| 18:34.17 | AFernandez | im trying |
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| 18:35.46 | pfred1 | aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 18:36.33 | AFernandez | http://paste.debian.net/215104/ |
| 18:36.42 | pfred1 | AFernandez after a while you won't even miss X Window |
| 18:37.55 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" we don't see what's inside your vi session |
| 18:38.01 | Rusher20x | anybody know how to get debian on x210 infotmic processor? |
| 18:38.07 | AFernandez | cooming with that one zykotick9 |
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| 18:39.09 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: first off, i'd comment out your DVD by putting a # at the start of any of the DVD lines in sources.list (there might be more then 1, i always end up with two from netinstall anyways) |
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| 18:39.36 | AFernandez | http://paste.debian.net/215105/ |
| 18:40.27 | AFernandez | but how can i edit if vi doeas not work as im used to? |
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| 18:40.56 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: side note - you have "contrib" for security, but not for the main squeeze repo. doesn't really matter, unless you want something from "contrib" |
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| 18:41.06 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: nano? |
| 18:41.09 | AFernandez | ok |
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| 18:41.21 | AFernandez | those are the sources from installation |
| 18:41.27 | AFernandez | so what do i comment? |
| 18:41.46 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: as root "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" perhaps? |
| 18:41.53 | tremon | AFernandez: sed -i 's/^deb cdrom/#&/' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:42.03 | AFernandez | ok |
| 18:42.06 | zykotick9 | tremon: nice thanks. |
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| 18:44.47 | AFernandez | http://paste.debian.net/215108/ |
| 18:45.20 | zykotick9 | AFernandez: vim not vi |
| 18:45.31 | AFernandez | ok |
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| 18:47.39 | sevenfourk | is listening to "Animals As Leaders - The Price Of Everything And The Value Of Nothing" |
| 18:47.45 | sevenfourk | sorry, very nice song :-) |
| 18:47.49 | andres__ | ok |
| 18:47.53 | andres__ | im here now |
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| 18:48.05 | andres__ | im AFernandez |
| 18:48.34 | andres__ | ok now |
| 18:48.42 | andres__ | why my vi doesnt work properly? |
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| 18:49.42 | sevenfourk | please refer to google://"learning vim pdf" |
| 18:49.52 | zykotick9 | andres__: it does, you just aren't using the right keys ;) vi is actually vim.tiny, if you install vim it will update to vim.basic which is probably what you are more familiar with (backspace, arrow keys, etc) |
| 18:49.52 | andres__ | im not using vim |
| 18:49.57 | andres__ | i wanna use vi |
| 18:50.01 | jibcage | why on earth? |
| 18:50.09 | andres__ | ok |
| 18:50.12 | andres__ | thank you |
| 18:50.14 | andres__ | lets see |
| 18:50.22 | andres__ | oops sorry again for enter |
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| 18:52.11 | jibcage | I'm running nginx in a chroot jail, but I'm trying to run cgit on it. Can I run fcgiwrap outside of the jail, put the socket inside the jail, and have it interface to fcgiwrap that way? |
| 18:52.14 | yltrlruy | Lol, what's wrong with vim? |
| 18:52.36 | jibcage | I don't want to copy all the dependencies for cgit, and set up gitolite in the chroot. that seems a bit excessive. |
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| 18:52.52 | tgs3 | does http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent work? tracker says 4xx error (404?) |
| 18:53.33 | andres__ | ok thank you guys my vi now works normally |
| 18:53.49 | zykotick9 | andres__: if you are looking for a "light" vi version, you might want to try nvi - it seems to have arrow out of the box anyways |
| 18:53.56 | andres__ | so on every new installation i have to comment dvd or cdrom? |
| 18:54.24 | andres__ | my arrows and backspace working now after installation of vim thanks zykotick9 |
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| 18:57.15 | andres__ | !google chrome |
| 18:57.54 | jibcage | anyone? :| |
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| 19:03.13 | Theoden | brb |
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| 19:05.48 | anoob | i want to play 3d games with wine ... my debian is 64 bit ... i have wine 32 ... should i install 32 or 64 bit radeon's driver? |
| 19:07.53 | jibcage | nginx give me error "Cannot get script name, is DOCUMENT_ROOT and SCRIPT_NAME set and is the script executable?" for fastcgi with cgit |
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| 19:10.53 | tux-world | hi. how can help me for create live from debian? |
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| 19:13.08 | tux-world | after create live from debian i getting this error and live could not up in VmWare : http://upcity.ir/images/87450719236957894657.png |
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| 19:19.43 | Jumx | Hey, can't seem to find it anywhere |
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| 19:19.55 | Jumx | How do I give a user full access to a directory |
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| 19:20.00 | Jumx | to run .sh files and everything |
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| 19:20.36 | aimer | which ports are using by ipvg autoconfig (advertise)? |
| 19:20.39 | somiaj | Jumx: use chown to give ownership for user.group of any files/directories |
| 19:20.55 | somiaj | Jumx: use chmod to give file permisions for directories. You need the +x permision to run the file |
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| 19:21.08 | Jumx | so what would the full command be? |
| 19:21.11 | Jumx | somiaj: thanks |
| 19:21.11 | somiaj | Jumx: but you shouldn't just be changing ownership/permisions of debian installed files. What are you trying to do |
| 19:21.20 | somiaj | Jumx: read the man page, this is basic unix filesystem info. |
| 19:21.35 | somiaj | Jumx: i.e. what files do you want to give this user access to and why? |
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| 19:21.49 | Jumx | All their files in /home/user/ |
| 19:21.55 | Jumx | somiaj: so they can run scripts etc |
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| 19:22.38 | somiaj | Jumx: why not just chmod +x the script? |
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| 19:22.56 | Jumx | somiaj: oh alright |
| 19:22.59 | somiaj | Jumx: though why are you putting the scripts in /home/user, /usr/local/bin is a nice place to put scripts you want all users to be able to run |
| 19:23.06 | somiaj | (cause it is in the default $PATH) |
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| 19:23.16 | somiaj | but if they ahve a file in /home/user they already own it |
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| 19:23.29 | Jumx | somiaj: alright, I just got permission errors |
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| 19:23.52 | somiaj | so all they have to do is chmod +x the script and they can run it. Or they can run it with the desired inturpiter. Such as if it is bash script 'source scriptname' works, if it is a python script, 'python scriptname' will run it |
| 19:24.32 | somiaj | Jumx: maybe if you gave an very specific example of the script you awnt users to be run and how you want them to run it I could be of more help. Just giving kinda the basic idea here |
| 19:25.57 | Jumx | somiaj: alright thanks |
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| 19:29.15 | Jumx | when I do chmod +x from the users SSH, it says permissions denied |
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| 19:30.01 | Jumx | somiaj: any clue what I can do? |
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| 19:30.49 | abrotman | do you own the file? |
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| 19:31.56 | somiaj | Jumx: the users SSH, why do you need to modify this? |
| 19:32.09 | somiaj | Jumx: why not tell us exactly which script you want the user to run and why? |
| 19:32.24 | Jumx | it's a script to start up a minecraft server |
| 19:32.29 | somiaj | oh sorry you are inside your debian machien via SSH..... |
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| 19:32.39 | somiaj | Jumx: ls -l (who owns the file)? |
| 19:32.40 | Jumx | yes |
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| 19:33.25 | Jumx | root does |
| 19:33.29 | Jumx | oh so it's whoever uploads it |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | are you root? |
| 19:33.38 | Jumx | yeh |
| 19:33.43 | Jumx | I uploaded it into their directory |
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| 19:34.04 | ompaul | chown username:groupname thefile |
| 19:34.15 | ompaul | then they can ./thefile |
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| 19:34.42 | Jumx | thanks! |
| 19:35.17 | Jumx | hm they own it |
| 19:35.20 | Jumx | bt cant execute it |
| 19:35.32 | ompaul | chown 700 thefile |
| 19:35.37 | Jumx | kk |
| 19:35.37 | ompaul | sorry |
| 19:35.40 | Jumx | no |
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| 19:35.46 | ompaul | chmod 700 thefile |
| 19:35.49 | Jumx | yeh thanks haha |
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| 19:36.05 | Jumx | hm still no |
| 19:36.10 | Jumx | when I do ls -1 |
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| 19:36.18 | Jumx | I see the user first then root in second column |
| 19:36.19 | ompaul | ls -l the letter |
| 19:36.26 | Jumx | yeh my bad ls -l I meant |
| 19:36.42 | ompaul | chown username:groupname thefile groupname is typically the same as username |
| 19:36.53 | ompaul | but different machines are managed differently |
| 19:36.59 | Jumx | oh kk |
| 19:37.07 | ompaul | so it was a two part job |
| 19:37.14 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.36 | acu | I have a program that was installed, configured and compiled. Now I need to use its utility, which is located in /usr/local/bin. I tried to start the utility with ./ but get a message: "cp:missing destination file operand after `/tmp/tmpb_...' Is there a different way to start the utility? |
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| 19:39.43 | somiaj | acu: sounds like a problem with the untility, and unless we know what it is won't be of much help. Maybe ask the people who made the utility how to use it? |
| 19:39.43 | Jumx | how can I chmod the directory and all files within |
| 19:39.45 | ompaul | acu: seems to be an issue with the command line |
| 19:39.52 | Jumx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.29 | ompaul | Jumx: chmod -R BE CAREFUL |
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| 19:40.45 | ompaul | Jumx: obviously you have a username:groupname target |
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| 19:41.33 | Jumx | why be careful |
| 19:42.03 | ompaul | get wrong breaking anything up to and including the machine |
| 19:42.22 | ompaul | Jumx: and again my typo - chown |
| 19:42.35 | smallhat | Hi, I am relatively new to linux and debian. I recently installed debian on an old pc for use mainly as a programming rig. I've noticed that it occasionally locks up and freezes yet audio will still run. The computer has an integrated Intel GPU ( ive read this could be the problem, something about fbc ??) any ideas? |
| 19:42.38 | ompaul | Jumx: ch ange own er |
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| 19:43.03 | Jumx | thanks! |
| 19:43.32 | somiaj | smallhat: what version of debian? What software are you using? Do you have ssh-server installed on that machine and another machine you can ssh into it from? |
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| 19:44.25 | smallhat | somiaj: I am running v 2.30.2 of debian, I do have ssh server installed and multiple computers of varying OS that i can SSH into it from |
| 19:45.18 | somiaj | umm, I didn't know debian ad a 2.30.2 version, that doesn't sound right |
| 19:45.27 | somiaj | my guess is xorg or some software you are running locks up |
| 19:45.36 | smallhat | oh wait my bad |
| 19:45.40 | smallhat | i give you the gnome version :S |
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| 19:45.45 | somiaj | next time it locks up ssh into your machine, from there you should see your machien is running, but xorg itself is locking up |
| 19:46.14 | somiaj | you can then use tools such as top to try to figure out what program is locking up. On an older machine I would suggest using a light weight alternative to gnome. |
| 19:46.16 | smallhat | like i said i am new to debian, how can i find my version |
| 19:46.19 | Feigr | or check ctrl+alt+F1 of you can, for any error output |
| 19:46.29 | somiaj | smallhat: cat /etc/debian_version should give it to you, but don't always trust it |
| 19:46.32 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 19:46.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.9-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:46.45 | somiaj | smallhat: apt-cache policy or look at /etc/apt/sources.list to see what version you get packages from. |
| 19:46.45 | smallhat | Feigr, I can reach ctrl alt f1 find yet im not sure what i should be doing once i get there and log in |
| 19:47.07 | smallhat | somiaj: version is 6.0.6 |
| 19:47.08 | Feigr | well i xorg locks up there might be error messages there |
| 19:47.12 | Feigr | *if |
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| 19:47.21 | smallhat | Feigr: I never see an error there |
| 19:47.24 | smallhat | just a login |
| 19:47.38 | Feigr | hmm ok |
| 19:47.55 | Feigr | so you are not logging in there and starting x from the command line? |
| 19:48.01 | smallhat | It can happen doing anything and is very random sometimes happens within 5 minutes othertimes after a few hours |
| 19:48.10 | smallhat | how do i start x from command line? |
| 19:48.15 | Feigr | with startx |
| 19:48.29 | Feigr | provided you have xinit installed |
| 19:48.40 | ompaul | smallhat: and gdm stopped |
| 19:48.56 | somiaj | sometimes xorg locks up taking the keyboard, video card and mouse with it, hence ssh is the only option to try to figure out what happened |
| 19:49.08 | smallhat | when it locks up the mouse still works |
| 19:49.20 | smallhat | its strange because if i am watching a youtube video for example |
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| 19:49.37 | smallhat | i can still pause resume change volume etc with the keyboard |
| 19:49.49 | smallhat | if i am reading an ebook and i move the arrow keeps when i log back in and resume session i see the changes |
| 19:49.54 | Feigr | sounds like a DE problem more than an xorg problem |
| 19:49.55 | Feigr | maybe |
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| 19:50.58 | smallhat | in all cases its just the screen that locks up |
| 19:51.18 | smallhat | but everything still works, actually the screen doesnt realy lock up since mouse still moves |
| 19:51.32 | smallhat | is there some sort of error dump i can cat into ? |
| 19:51.36 | somiaj | smallhat: if you are getting lockups it could be a sign of bad hardware, or are you running some third party software? |
| 19:51.49 | somiaj | or I wonder if you just have low ram and it is a swaping issue |
| 19:52.04 | smallhat | somiaj: i doubt it is bad hardware, my guess was some sort of conflict caused by the intel gpu |
| 19:52.10 | ompaul | smallhat: how much ram have you got? |
| 19:52.20 | ompaul | intel tends to be good |
| 19:52.33 | smallhat | really? |
| 19:52.36 | smallhat | hm, |
| 19:52.36 | wols | fsvo good |
| 19:52.42 | ompaul | smallhat: I run nothing but intel |
| 19:52.53 | ompaul | at home I have four boxes and I don't get grief |
| 19:52.57 | somiaj | smallhat: it shouldn't be locking up like that unless something is wrong. again ssh into the machine when it locks up and try to figure out what program went crazy |
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| 19:53.03 | smallhat | im not so sure on the ram maybe 512 |
| 19:53.21 | ompaul | smallhat: in the office I have a lot of other stuff and you are still not describing anything that would have me looking at the software |
| 19:53.26 | somiaj | it could be that gnome is just a memory hog and you are getting issues when you fill up your ram and use swap. |
| 19:53.29 | smallhat | can i check without opening up |
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| 19:53.51 | somiaj | top should tell you how much ram you have and how muc is being used |
| 19:53.51 | ompaul | somiaj: type free paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 19:54.16 | smallhat | I never had this issue with xp, it only appeared when i moved to linux. i mainly switched as i was looking to use less resources not more |
| 19:55.14 | ompaul | smallhat: random comments are very informitive - a box with less than 1G of ram since 2008 is a bad idea - 512 was ok in 07/08 |
| 19:55.35 | smallhat | http://paste.debian.net/215119/ |
| 19:55.37 | ompaul | smallhat: unless you are running with no X you want all that nice gloss and no fee |
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| 19:55.55 | ompaul | so you have a gig of ram |
| 19:56.06 | ompaul | and some silly amount of swap |
| 19:56.17 | ompaul | you don't have a ram issue unless it's faulty |
| 19:56.18 | somiaj | gnome really isn't lighter weight than win xp these days. |
| 19:56.20 | smallhat | i agree with that ompaul, my other pcs run quadcore / 4gb ram but that is why i was looking to use this pc only for programming |
| 19:56.32 | smallhat | nothing really intense |
| 19:56.34 | ompaul | smallhat: ssh in and don't run X locally |
| 19:57.07 | ompaul | smallhat: but you still have not convinced me that you have good ram |
| 19:57.38 | smallhat | how do i know if it is good or bad |
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| 19:58.44 | ompaul | as you reboot you should see a memtest it won't catch 100% of bugs but it catches a lot of them |
| 19:58.47 | ompaul | choose that |
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| 19:59.03 | smallhat | i ran a memtest and it found no problems |
| 19:59.15 | ompaul | it not exhaustive |
| 19:59.20 | somiaj | how long did you run it for? |
| 19:59.30 | ompaul | 1 run is not enough |
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| 20:01.17 | smallhat | if it was a problem with ram wouldnt that lock down my whole pc though? ive had ram issues with other pcs before. usually they wouldnt allow me to switch to other sessions |
| 20:01.17 | smallhat | thats what made me think it was software issue |
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| 20:01.55 | ompaul | smallhat: maybe in quantum computing you can suggest that the exact same thing takes place time and time again ... |
| 20:02.00 | ompaul | oh wait |
| 20:02.07 | ompaul | you are playing different videos --- |
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| 20:02.22 | ompaul | your machine has a different uptime etc etc etc etc |
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| 20:03.43 | smallhat | it may well be the ram, i could replace it easily enough but you say that the memtest may not catch all problems, how can i atleats know for sure |
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| 20:05.00 | ompaul | na |
| 20:05.14 | ompaul | it could be faulty interface with ram it could be anything - it could be the flash player |
| 20:05.39 | ompaul | btw flash is broken in many ugly and unusual ways - so not much use on a dev box ;-) |
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| 20:07.19 | somiaj | as I said wait until a crash and then ssh into the system so you can start to poke around and figure out what is crashing. |
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| 20:10.26 | lamnar | Hi, i am trying to load a kernel module by typing the command: $ modprobe linear but i get the error invalid module format. What could be the problem? |
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| 20:12.49 | abrotman | lamnar: where'd the module come from? |
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| 20:13.34 | lamnar | abrotman: i dont know....i think its supposed to be in debian already....It might be it comes from the mdadm package also |
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| 20:14.42 | Meelu | hello im trying to get rar to work on debian but i couldn't |
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| 20:14.56 | Meelu | i managed to install unrar but i want to install rar, can anybody help |
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| 20:15.51 | lamnar | abrotman: are you there? |
| 20:16.19 | zykotick9 | Meelu: "rar" is in the non-free repo |
| 20:16.52 | Meelu | can you help me out plz, im not familiar much with debian by the looks of it as i couldnt find the package |
| 20:17.19 | Meelu | all thats comming up is unrar zykotick9 |
| 20:17.34 | zykotick9 | Meelu: unrar-free by chance? |
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| 20:17.39 | Meelu | i did that |
| 20:17.44 | Meelu | it doesnt work with the rar files i have |
| 20:17.46 | Meelu | rar only works |
| 20:18.09 | zykotick9 | Meelu: both rar and unrar are in the non-free repo... if you add it, you can install from it. |
| 20:18.26 | Meelu | couldnt find it |
| 20:18.28 | Meelu | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/u/unrar-nonfree/ |
| 20:18.29 | Meelu | only that |
| 20:18.55 | nkuttler | Meelu: the package is called.. rar |
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| 20:20.18 | Meelu | nkuttler, sorry for silly question but http://ftp.si.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/r/rar/rar_3.9.3-1_i386.deb how do i instal this |
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| 20:21.04 | nkuttler | Meelu: how did you install unrar? |
| 20:21.06 | Meelu | dpkg -i |
| 20:21.06 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Meelu |
| 20:21.32 | gabedwrds | Meelu: see http://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
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| 20:22.39 | papertiger | still not dont with the compile =P |
| 20:22.52 | anoob | with this multiarch thing, i don't know which package i need to install ... http://pastebin.com/cW2aZ8X0 |
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| 20:24.40 | lamnar | Hi, i am trying to load a kernel module by typing the command: $ modprobe linear but i get the error invalid module format. What could be the problem? |
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| 20:25.50 | papertiger | anoob: what are you trying to install? |
| 20:26.28 | anoob | i'm trying to run steam |
| 20:26.37 | anoob | 64-bit debian, 32-bit wine |
| 20:27.02 | papertiger | anoob: you need to recompile elibc, that is what i am doing right now for several hours |
| 20:27.07 | papertiger | to run steam as well |
| 20:27.22 | anoob | elibc? |
| 20:27.23 | papertiger | i could send you the packages for wheezy when i am done if you want |
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| 20:27.48 | anoob | why do i need this package? |
| 20:28.02 | papertiger | steam has it as a dependenciy |
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| 20:29.12 | wols | papertiger: why recompile? |
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| 20:29.41 | papertiger | because the versions in debian is incompatible with steam, so i have to rmpile the ubuntu version but for debian |
| 20:29.42 | anoob | which one: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&searchon=names&keywords=elibc ? |
| 20:30.14 | papertiger | eglibc_2.15-0ubuntu10.2 |
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| 20:31.52 | anoob | i forgot the "g" |
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| 20:31.59 | anoob | eGlibc |
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| 20:33.41 | anoob | wols, what do you propose? |
| 20:35.19 | abrotman | lamnar: hi? |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | lamnar: did yu download it from somewhere? |
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| 20:37.16 | FernandoBasso | sudo update-rc.d -f postgresql remove --> "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" <-- Is this ok? If I recall correctly, it used to be more verbose. |
| 20:37.18 | wols | anoob: I don't propose anything |
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| 20:38.20 | papertiger | i will soon be finished with the packages, then i will install and run steam perfectly |
| 20:38.37 | papertiger | perhaps play some serious sam 3 =D |
| 20:39.32 | papertiger | but "soon" is relative as i do not have any way of knowing the progress of the compile. Luckily it is a ssd so it is rather fast. only a few hours and countring. |
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| 20:43.09 | papertiger | thankfully i have several tv episodes and mplayer2 in cli.. |
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| 20:44.38 | thorie | would it be possible to use my debian box as a router+dhcp server and use my hardware router as a wireless switch on my home network? or does it depend on my hardware router? |
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| 20:45.51 | wols | thorie: yes it's possible. and there is no "wireless switch" but access point |
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| 20:45.56 | thorie | my internet connection is through the debian box, and doesn't work through the router, because i have a USB modem, and i want connected computers to use my debian box as the gateway rather than hardware one |
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| 20:50.13 | thorie | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1fFLQ7_ep-xIytvrkaKhrRDpdZHGv9LK-dbJPXxCoKdM/edit |
| 20:50.22 | thorie | that's a diagram of my home network |
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| 20:57.01 | thorie | would it be too complex? |
| 20:57.45 | ntwrk_keith | thorie |
| 20:57.49 | wols | no. it depends a bit what your router can do. but it's easily possible |
| 20:58.14 | wols | and from what you describe, the problem is how you set up your router. which would be outside the scope of debian |
| 20:58.24 | ManoftheSea | too complex? For Linux? bah. Complexity is Debian's middle name. |
| 20:58.35 | ManoftheSea | Debian Complexity GNU/Linux |
| 20:58.54 | wols | running a dhcp server and dns is easily done via dnsmasq. and NAT is a iptables script and done |
| 20:59.00 | ntwrk_keith | You would need to do somehing called bridging on the Belkin router I believe so that the wirless can talk to the wired network |
| 20:59.08 | ntwrk_keith | Are you making changes on the fly? Thats cool |
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| 21:00.15 | thorie | hmm... this may be beyond my skill level |
| 21:01.15 | thorie | how much do i need to know about iptables and nat? last time i looked into it, it was like a foreign language |
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| 21:01.44 | thorie | what happens when a network has two dhcp servers? |
| 21:01.45 | wols | !ipmasq |
| 21:01.45 | dpkg | Network Address Translation (NAT) modifies IP address information in packet headers during transit across a router. IP masquerading is a form of NAT. Install the <iptables> package, then read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ for more information. Related Debian packages include <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, iptables-persistent. |
| 21:01.49 | wols | that much |
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| 21:02.37 | ManoftheSea | thorie: two dhcp servers can co-exist, if they don't hand out leases to the same devices. Otherwise, they need to deconflict, which I don't know much about. |
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| 21:02.55 | thorie | why would an IP address need to change in a packet header? |
| 21:02.59 | ntwrk_keith | Also, there's no guarantee you will get a DHCP lease from the server you want |
| 21:03.03 | ntwrk_keith | its kind of like a race |
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| 21:03.18 | thorie | ok i'll start by disabling DHCP on the router |
| 21:03.21 | ntwrk_keith | Those 192.168.x.x IPs are routable on the public internet |
| 21:03.25 | ManoftheSea | thorie: if you have two computers but only one publically-routable address. |
| 21:03.33 | ntwrk_keith | aren't* |
| 21:03.35 | ManoftheSea | ntwrk_keith: not routable |
| 21:03.35 | ntwrk_keith | sorry |
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| 21:03.44 | ntwrk_keith | Yeah sorry, typo :) |
| 21:03.58 | ManoftheSea | I understand, you were already fixing it. |
| 21:04.33 | thorie | how does a router know which packets go to each computer in the network? do packets contain some additional id? |
| 21:04.57 | ntwrk_keith | through PAT |
| 21:05.10 | ntwrk_keith | random ports that track the connection |
| 21:05.57 | gnarface | thorie: the ethernet cards themselves have unique id's and a broadcast protocol called ARP facilitates the router figuring out which ones belong to which ip addresses |
| 21:06.08 | ManoftheSea | The outbound connection gets assigned to a port when leaving the MASQ device. Returning traffic to that port *probably* belongs to that connection. |
| 21:06.10 | thorie | oh so if my laptop tries to connect to google.com port 80 and the router says, laptop+google+80 = conn1, and any response on conn1 will be forwarded back to laptop? |
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| 21:06.23 | ntwrk_keith | yes |
| 21:06.27 | ntwrk_keith | in a very basic manner |
| 21:06.34 | thorie | cool yeah i want that |
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| 21:07.10 | ManoftheSea | thorie: in the IPv6 address space, there are enough addresses that you could have an internet inside your house, and so could every other host on the internet. |
| 21:07.22 | thorie | i think my debian box is already configured to do that, because i can reach the internet just fine (any computer on the network, as long as i statically config an ip + gateway + dns) |
| 21:07.28 | ManoftheSea | and you wouldn't need to multiplex connections with NAT/PAT |
| 21:07.45 | ManoftheSea | thorie: your home router is configured to do that. |
| 21:07.49 | ntwrk_keith | although, NAT64 does exist ManoftheSea :) |
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| 21:08.13 | ManoftheSea | ntwrk_keith: sure. Just prove me wrong, whydoncha |
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| 21:08.57 | thorie | oh so you're saying, i might not need to run DHCP on my debian box? but i couldn't figure out a way for my cheap belkin router to give out 192.168.2.2 (debian) as the route when it does the lease |
| 21:09.14 | wols | thorie: you do |
| 21:09.45 | wols | but it's not dhcp that is your problem. and the way you want to set it up, you must disable dhcp on the belkin router |
| 21:10.03 | thorie | yeah i can disable it |
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| 21:10.24 | ntwrk_keith | But I'm trying to figure out how the laptop will pull a DHCP address then |
| 21:10.28 | ManoftheSea | the belkin can't change that? |
| 21:10.41 | ntwrk_keith | I'm almost positive the router wont have a DHCP relay feature |
| 21:11.01 | mwarning | hi, I try to use the nouveau driver. So I removed the proprietary nvidia driver and called "Xorg -configure". But that gave me an error "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices". Any Idea what to do now? |
| 21:11.02 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, I'm missing a piece. thorie, could you PM me your question so I can be up to speed? |
| 21:11.14 | ntwrk_keith | Why Not have the router plugged into the modem and the workstation plugged into the debian box and laptop connect to wifi? |
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| 21:11.33 | ManoftheSea | And has anyone mentioned openwrt yet? |
| 21:11.53 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith: even my cheap ass linksys from more than a decade ago allows DHCP-assigned IP addresses to be assigned statically by MAC address... you're absolutely certain your comparatively classier and newer belkin router can't do the same? |
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| 21:12.01 | thorie | ntwrk_keith: the modem is a USB dongle, the belkin has no usb port |
| 21:12.03 | ntwrk_keith | no i havent. i havent played with it yet so I couldnt recommend it |
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| 21:12.12 | confusid | the c library GTK is it normally installed? I want to give it a go at making a gui for a command line program and reading/googling it say's gtk is whats needed for gui's written in c. |
| 21:12.27 | ntwrk_keith | gnarface: what you are speaking of is different from DHCP relay |
| 21:12.30 | ManoftheSea | IF openwrt supports your router, you'll get a lot of network in a box. |
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| 21:13.00 | gnarface | ntwrk_keith: yes, that's true its different. if you want DHCP relay you should run dnsmasq locally... but why would you need to? |
| 21:13.04 | thorie | gnarface: my belkin does have DHCP-assigned statically by MAC... does that help me? |
| 21:13.27 | gnarface | thorie: no idea |
| 21:13.31 | thorie | ok |
| 21:13.36 | ManoftheSea | Why are we using the Belkin? Shouldn't there just be a switch between Laptop and Debian? |
| 21:13.43 | gnarface | thorie: what was your problem again? |
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| 21:13.50 | ntwrk_keith | How will the laptop pull DHCP if its connecting to the router wirelessly? I guess he could setup static reservation on the router with the correct DNS info |
| 21:13.57 | ManoftheSea | oh... wireless. So, yeah, you just want a wireless bridge. I think you should just not use the uplink port on the belkin. |
| 21:14.15 | ntwrk_keith | ManoftheSea: they are actually on the same subnet at this point |
| 21:14.43 | ntwrk_keith | It works if he statically configures the gateway to the IP of the debian box |
| 21:14.44 | ManoftheSea | but that's what I'm saying... The belkin doesn't need to be addressable at all. It just acts at layer 2 |
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| 21:14.55 | thorie | gnarface: my internet is via USB modem plugged into a debian box, my router (wireless) gives a DHCP with wrong route (to the router) so i have to statically config my laptop to use the debian box as the router and DNS as whatever the debian box has in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:16.20 | gnarface | thorie: you might in theory also be able to add static routes to the router that it can distribute in addition to its default one. i've seen that feature functionally complete on some cheap netear routers, though they were somewhat load sensetive |
| 21:16.43 | ManoftheSea | I propose that you turn off DHCP from the Belkin, plug Debian eth into the LAN ports on the Belkin, and bridge the wireless. Are you saying DHCP won't cross from wireless to wire? |
| 21:16.43 | gnarface | thorie: doing complex stuff like that though i typically use openbsd for |
| 21:17.27 | thorie | ManoftheSea: at this point i haven't tried anything, im seeing if this is too complex for my feeble mind before i break my internet access :-) |
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| 21:17.53 | thorie | once i break it, i can't come here for help lol |
| 21:18.04 | ManoftheSea | Here's another possibility: Buy a WLAN card for the debian box, donate the Belkin to charity |
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| 21:18.50 | thorie | Wait, it does have a wireless USB G/N thing. |
| 21:18.58 | thorie | Is that the same as a WLAN card? |
| 21:19.02 | ManoftheSea | look into hostap? |
| 21:19.11 | andres__ | i am happy with my debian |
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| 21:19.16 | ManoftheSea | thorie: I propose that you make the debian box your AP |
| 21:19.31 | ManoftheSea | The USB stick MIGHT be able to run in STA mode, which would be your AP |
| 21:19.45 | confusid | I found libgtk items for c++ Does debian not have gtk for c anymore? |
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| 21:20.08 | thorie | Oooh, that would be cool. One less device. So my debian box would really be my one and only router. |
| 21:20.18 | ManoftheSea | as it should be. |
| 21:20.33 | gnarface | heh |
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| 21:20.43 | gnarface | would run them both in parallel but quarantine them from each other |
| 21:20.48 | ManoftheSea | Though... I use openwrt on my WNDR3700v2 as my router, and others use pfSense (bsd?) for the purpose. |
| 21:21.02 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: the belkin doesn't have cell connection |
| 21:21.03 | gnarface | pf rules |
| 21:21.06 | gnarface | not sure what pfSense is |
| 21:21.13 | ManoftheSea | then don't worry about it. |
| 21:21.19 | thorie | My wireless device is a Netgear WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 USB adapter ... Does debian have drivers for this? |
| 21:21.30 | gnarface | !WNA1100 |
| 21:21.31 | dpkg | The Netgear WNA1100 "Wireless-N 150 USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9030). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chipset; for device support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. Not to be confused with the <wna1000>. |
| 21:21.41 | thorie | Or how do I figure out if it does "STA mode" ? |
| 21:21.43 | ManoftheSea | ath9k, looks good. |
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| 21:22.36 | ManoftheSea | thorie: "iw phy0 info" |
| 21:22.44 | ManoftheSea | you may need to apt-get install iw first |
| 21:22.48 | ManoftheSea | You probably need to run as root. |
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| 21:23.09 | thorie | ok let me try it |
| 21:23.11 | ManoftheSea | And you should check that your driver is installed. I believe ath9k is a good set of devices, so you should have hope. |
| 21:23.55 | ManoftheSea | thorie: look around "Supported interface modes" for "AP" |
| 21:25.03 | ManoftheSea | I've got a pair of Intel WLAN cards in my laptop. Adv-N 6205 and Ult-N 6300. They do some stuff. |
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| 21:25.38 | thorie | iw phy0 info gave me a list of options to "iw"... |
| 21:26.15 | ManoftheSea | thorie: "iw list" |
| 21:26.26 | thorie | no output from "iw list" |
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| 21:26.40 | ManoftheSea | "lsmod | grep ath" |
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| 21:27.25 | thorie | http://paste.debian.net/215140/ |
| 21:28.45 | thorie | here is my ls usb: http://paste.debian.net/215141/ |
| 21:28.52 | thorie | Bus 003 Device 009: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] |
| 21:29.04 | ManoftheSea | Do you have the atheros non-free firmware |
| 21:29.15 | thorie | not sure |
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| 21:29.25 | confusid | I found gtk2 but nothing stating it is c. Only items for c++ and things that are prebuilt. |
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| 21:30.07 | gnarface | confusid: you need to look for packages ending in -dev |
| 21:30.09 | ManoftheSea | Thorie, I personally use a bit of non-free wireless firmware. However, I'm not going to help you get it. Mostly, because I have to go right now. |
| 21:30.27 | confusid | gnarface: ty |
| 21:30.50 | ManoftheSea | perhaps gnarface or ntwrk_keith can help you find the atheros firmware. |
| 21:31.15 | tremon | ,pci-id 0846:9030 |
| 21:31.16 | judd | [0846:9030] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0846:9030 |
| 21:31.17 | thorie | thanks |
| 21:31.28 | thorie | i'll try to figure out how to get the firmware |
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| 21:31.44 | gnarface | confusid: no probem. it may help you to know that apt-cache search can take a pattern like: apt-cache search ^gtk |
| 21:31.52 | andres__ | can i have both kde and gn0me and choose at boot? |
| 21:32.23 | tremon | thorie: in general, it's modinfo $driver | grep firmware |
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| 21:32.41 | ManoftheSea | tremon: that was a USB id, not PCI. Does it matter? |
| 21:32.45 | gnarface | thorie: ask the bot, dpkg. just /msg it directly |
| 21:32.55 | tremon | then use apt-cache search to find which package provides the firmware files |
| 21:33.04 | gnarface | thorie: start with your chipset and work your way through the info following the <tags> |
| 21:33.17 | ManoftheSea | ask about "atheros firmware" |
| 21:33.48 | thorie | hmm apt is saying it can't find ath9k_htc |
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| 21:34.24 | tremon | it's because you must first enable the non-free sources |
| 21:34.29 | thorie | i added non-free and did apt-get update, then did apt-get install ath9k_htc, then i got E: Unable to locate package ath9k_htc |
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| 21:35.00 | tremon | and if you apt-cache search ath9k_htc ? |
| 21:35.13 | thorie | firmware-atheros - Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards |
| 21:35.22 | tremon | so install that package :) |
| 21:35.26 | thorie | oooh |
| 21:35.44 | gnarface | hey a light just went on above his head |
| 21:36.10 | tremon | always nice to light up in these dark days (on the northern hemisphere that is) |
| 21:36.12 | thorie | ok now what do i do? |
| 21:36.30 | thorie | "iw list" still shows no output |
| 21:36.50 | thorie | lsusb shows: Bus 003 Device 009: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] |
| 21:36.53 | tremon | firmware usually only gets loaded on modprobe time, so you need to rmmod and modprobe the driver module |
| 21:36.57 | confusid | gnarface: looks like only one package for c. Could I be missing something? |
| 21:37.03 | tremon | or reboot, if that's easier |
| 21:37.13 | gnarface | thorie: you gotta unload and reload the driver. "modprobe -r [module name]" to unload it. (as root), modprobe [module name] to load it again |
| 21:37.16 | E3D3 | Does anyone knows a lightweight ppt-reader for Debian Squeeze ? |
| 21:37.24 | gnarface | thorie: yea or just reboot, its overkill but will be as effective |
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| 21:38.02 | tremon | E3D3: ppt as in microsoft powerpoint? I don't think anything that can read that classifies as light-weight |
| 21:38.13 | thorie | done modprobe... but "iw list" still shows nada |
| 21:38.39 | gnarface | confusid: probably actually named libgtksomething |
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| 21:39.00 | gnarface | confusid: libgtk-3-dev or libgtk2.0-dev or something like that |
| 21:39.16 | E3D3 | tremon, Yes, as in Ms powerpoint. Thanks for your remark. |
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| 21:40.06 | tremon | E3D3: outside of libreoffice, I'm not sure. Don't even know if koffice can read it (I'd guess it can) |
| 21:40.36 | thorie | here's what happened so far: http://paste.debian.net/215145/ |
| 21:40.58 | demona | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pptview |
| 21:41.00 | demona | pptview |
| 21:41.10 | tremon | I know you can save ppt's as self-contained presentations which only need the free ppt viewer from MS, but on Linux that would require Wine which isn't exactly light-weight either |
| 21:41.13 | demona | oh heh, depends on wine. |
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| 21:42.10 | demona | There's Ease for Gnome, but that's hardly lightweight |
| 21:42.12 | confusid | gnarface: found libgtk2.0-dev say's it's for + but I'll try it out.. Thanks! |
| 21:42.15 | tremon | thorie: can you paste dmesg (or dmesg|tail -40) |
| 21:42.30 | E3D3 | demona, Thanks, looks that is what I'm looking for. |
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| 21:42.53 | demona | Sadly, I often find running free Windows software under WINE or similar is the way to fill a lot of niches still. |
| 21:43.08 | demona | Whatever works :) |
| 21:43.35 | ntwrk_keith | thorie: its iwlist |
| 21:43.37 | thorie | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/215146/ |
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| 21:44.16 | tremon | thorie: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_9271.fw not found |
| 21:45.04 | thorie | uh-oh.. |
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| 21:46.27 | abrotman | judd: file htc_9271.fw |
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| 21:46.30 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:46.32 | alecjw | hi, my middle mouse button is working as LMB in debian. does anyone know a solution to this? it works fine in ubuntu |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | judd: file htc_9271.fw --release unstable |
| 21:46.37 | tremon | thorie: it's in the firmware package for testing, though |
| 21:46.40 | judd | Search for htc_9271.fw in sid/i386: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw |
| 21:46.49 | FernandoBasso | Where do I find documentation about debian repositories, like the 'non-free' ones? |
| 21:47.33 | tremon | thorie: you can get the firmware package from backports, that should work too |
| 21:47.34 | FernandoBasso | http://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories <-- This does not tell me how about their syntax in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 21:47.40 | tremon | !tell thorie about bdo |
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| 21:48.42 | thorie | cool i got it from unstable |
| 21:48.58 | tremon | FernandoBasso: the syntax is in man sources.list |
| 21:49.54 | edju | Anyone dual-boot Wheezy w/ OSX Mountain Lion? If so, a pointer to a sxs for the simple minded greatly appreciated. All I could find uptodate was for Mint & Ubuntu. |
| 21:50.04 | thorie | yay! "iw list" gives me output now :) |
| 21:50.39 | tremon | alecjw: you can use xinput to remap mouse buttons |
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| 21:51.13 | thorie | tremon: check it out... http://paste.debian.net/215147/ |
| 21:52.02 | FernandoBasso | tremon: Thanks. |
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| 21:53.27 | thorie | ooh looks like i can do "AP mode" |
| 21:53.43 | tremon | FernandoBasso: not sure if that was what you're looking for though -- some sources do provide a cut&paste example of what to put in sources.list, with others it might take some guesswork to find the correct base url |
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| 21:56.40 | FernandoBasso | tremon: No problem. Open source is the best thing in the world. I particularly find the man pages hard to understand, and the wikis could be a little more user friendly (arch linux one, for instance). Anyway, I managed to get the sources list working with some new repositories. Thanks. |
| 21:57.29 | FernandoBasso | I mean, the arch linux one is a little more tutorial-like, in such a way that it is not to install and configure the system. |
| 21:57.43 | FernandoBasso | it is not *hard*... |
| 21:58.37 | FernandoBasso | Anyway, Debian is an alive legend. :) |
| 21:59.24 | tremon | yeah, it really depends on the project though -- For some projects I'd wish they would focus less on howto-like recipes and provide more formal documentation |
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| 21:59.59 | tremon | does not remember fondly trying to understand mythgame |
| 22:00.23 | FernandoBasso | Agreed. Every project has its own singularities and documentation requirements. |
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| 22:01.26 | FernandoBasso | Debian seems to be for old-school people, who know what they are doing, and I don't have enough time to catch up with everything, so, I end up liking tutorial-like docs. |
| 22:01.41 | tremon | you'll grow out of it :p |
| 22:02.10 | FernandoBasso | :P |
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| 22:05.17 | bluesm | If I understand well, first thing debian do (while booting) is, call bash shell... |
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| 22:05.56 | bluesm | And then execute the "boot script" where I can find what is starting on the boot, and add something or remove ? |
| 22:06.40 | tremon | actually, the first thing would be to run /init on the initramfs |
| 22:07.34 | tremon | but you're probably looking for the contents of /etc/init.d for the boot scripts, and /etc/rc?.d to see what gets started in which runlevel |
| 22:07.52 | zykotick9 | bluesm: for service management, one option is the ncurse based rcconf package. |
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| 22:09.06 | FernandoBasso | I installed virtualbox-guest-additions from the non-free repositories. "sudo mount -t vboxfs share moun_point" says 'unknown filesystem'. |
| 22:09.09 | tremon | and for low-level management, check man update-rc.d |
| 22:09.10 | FernandoBasso | Any words on that? |
| 22:09.36 | tremon | try modprobe vboxfs? |
| 22:09.52 | FernandoBasso | By the way: "(6:37:15 PM) FernandoBasso: sudo update-rc.d -f postgresql remove --> "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" <-- Is this ok? If I recall correctly, it used to be more verbose." |
| 22:10.20 | bluesm | tremon , zykotick9: Ok thank you very much :) |
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| 22:10.40 | FernandoBasso | tremon: I don't have that module. |
| 22:11.10 | tremon | well that would be why it says "unknown filesystem" then :) |
| 22:11.32 | FernandoBasso | I had the "official" additions installed, but I was seeing a "red failed something" at boot, and decided to try the deb packages for it... |
| 22:11.35 | tremon | I can't tell you where to get it, though |
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| 22:12.38 | FernandoBasso | I googled for 'debian package virtualbox-guest-additions', but I only find references for the packages, not docs on how to "use" it then. |
| 22:13.05 | tremon | does http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2012/01/msg00006.html help you further? |
| 22:13.18 | FernandoBasso | If someone provies a package, a documentation/wiki/page/something should exist somewhere to help... |
| 22:13.30 | tremon | for one, it says it's "vboxsf" |
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| 22:14.46 | FernandoBasso | Doesn't work either. |
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| 22:16.08 | FernandoBasso | H'm. It seems it just downloads the additions for me. |
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| 22:16.45 | FernandoBasso | No difference from the one that comes with virtualbox then... |
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| 22:25.24 | Viperfang | Hi all, I'm hoping you can help me with a small issue, when I ping localhost I do not get a reponse until I issue a sudo ifup lo, I have auto lo and iface lo inet loopback in /etc/network/interfaces. These are the only entries in there (some commented out with #s). Any ideas? |
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| 22:25.51 | demona | Huzzah. Managed to install my list pof packages on Ubuntu Server 12.10. and reboot, with no errors (yet)... |
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| 22:29.13 | Viperfang | demona: Congrats |
| 22:29.21 | Walex | Viperfang: that's amazingly strange. Unless you are not in one of the multiuser runlevels. |
| 22:29.40 | Viperfang | Walex: This is a reasonably standard install... |
| 22:29.55 | Walex | Viperfang: that is, that service 'networking' has not been started. |
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| 22:30.33 | Viperfang | Walex: I've never come accross this either, Im guessing that it should be listed in htop? |
| 22:32.25 | Viperfang | I havn't really had to play with run levels... What level should I be in? |
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| 22:32.58 | Viperfang | Walex: Im in runlevel 2 |
| 22:33.42 | FernandoBasso | How to remove mysql, postgresql, apache, etc, from boot? "update-rc.d -f service remove" didn't work (as it used to do). |
| 22:33.47 | alecjw | tremon: sorry, i dont suppose you could give me some more info about what i'd need to do please? |
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| 22:34.17 | zykotick9 | FernandoBasso: for service management, one option is the ncurse based rcconf package. re-cycle to save the planet ;) |
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| 22:35.04 | FernandoBasso | zykotick9: What package? |
| 22:35.20 | FernandoBasso | Oh, rccconf... |
| 22:35.21 | zykotick9 | FernandoBasso: rcconf if you can believe it |
| 22:35.47 | FernandoBasso | Why doesn't update-rc.d work anymore? |
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| 22:37.07 | FernandoBasso | Actually, they see to still work, because rcconf showed them "unticked"... |
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| 22:39.21 | zykotick9 | FernandoBasso: update-rc.d and rcconf won't stop the service - they should still be running. be after next boot they won't start. use "service" to stop them. |
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| 22:39.38 | zykotick9 | s/be/but/ |
| 22:40.04 | tremon | alecjw: start by reading man xinput, it shouldn't be that hard. You only need to figure out in which order the buttons are numbered now, that's something that xev can help you with (package x11-utils) |
| 22:40.17 | FernandoBasso | I think I had the page cached in firefox... And I didn't check the status of the service after the reboot. I just tested refreshing the page. |
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| 22:40.36 | ccav1881 | ciao |
| 22:40.45 | ccav1881 | list! |
| 22:40.57 | abrotman | ITYM !list |
| 22:41.05 | tremon | lols |
| 22:41.08 | ccav1881 | !list |
| 22:41.08 | dpkg | ccav1881: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 22:41.56 | KsM | Hm |
| 22:42.16 | Viperfang | Is networking part of a specific package? Can I reset it to defaults? Im using wicd for wireless... |
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| 22:42.57 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/215155/ Is this correct for the debian main repos? |
| 22:43.00 | alecjw | ive |
| 22:43.00 | alecjw | Class originated from: 10. Type: XIValuatorClass |
| 22:43.00 | alecjw | Detail for Valuator 1: |
| 22:43.05 | alecjw | oops sorry |
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| 22:43.58 | confusid | looked on the debian site and it said to use squeeze-update but others have said to use squeeze-proposed-updates |
| 22:44.18 | dvs | confusid: except for the Oracle vbox part |
| 22:44.59 | zykotick9 | confusid: sidenote - rather then use mozilla.org i'd recomment mozilla.debian.net instead... YMMV |
| 22:45.04 | confusid | dvs: could I just add the squeeze/updates squeeze-updates and squeeze-proposed-update to a single line? |
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| 22:45.10 | alecjw | tremon: ok, i used xev to get the button names and my terminal now treats it as a middle button. thanks! but as a separate issue, i can't use it to scroll. in ubuntu i had middle click+move mouse=scroll. do you know how i'd set that in debian? |
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| 22:45.25 | dvs | confusid: no |
| 22:45.53 | zykotick9 | confusid: sidenote2 sorry - debian-multimedia.org without non-free is odd. |
| 22:46.05 | confusid | and the debian site said something about using debian.org |
| 22:46.09 | tremon | confusid: they serve different purposes, s-p-u contains software that will be published in squeeze/main itself (but isn't yet), squeeze-updates is the previous "volatile" service and contains updates that will never be found in squeeze/main because they are not security-fixes |
| 22:46.23 | thorie | tremon: thanks for all your help :) i simply installed dnsmasq, disabled dhcp on my router, and got a lease from the debian box, and voila -- automatic ip+dns :) |
| 22:46.38 | dvs | confusid: no, http.debian.net is the best one to use. |
| 22:47.06 | confusid | tremon but I still have to have them on different lines.. each with it's own. deb http etc..? |
| 22:47.31 | dvs | zykotick9: it's deb-multimedia.org now |
| 22:47.33 | tremon | alecjw: I've never used it like that. I'm sure it can be done, but you'd have to do some digging |
| 22:47.43 | confusid | I have questions today due to my internet sucking.. 248kbs and I'm timing out and not downloading items so it is trying eifferent mirrors I've never seen. |
| 22:47.50 | alecjw | ok no worries. thanks nonetheless |
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| 22:48.44 | zykotick9 | dvs: sorry, my bad there. i'm still trying to break my old programming ;) i was literally looking at "deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main" in the post when i replied... |
| 22:49.01 | confusid | the line Debian update main repos is that ok? having squeeze-update and squeeze-proposed-update on that same line? |
| 22:50.16 | dvs | confusid: lines 22 and 23 won't wor |
| 22:50.17 | dvs | k |
| 22:50.43 | tremon | confusid: you don't "have to have" either of them. s-p-u is only if you are asked to test updates before they're released (e.g. if you have reported a bug), squeeze-updates is recommended if you're running a virus scanner or antispam engine (and probably some other cases too) |
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| 22:51.06 | tremon | but they are both very much optional |
| 22:51.52 | confusid | dvs is that cause of the 2 update items? |
| 22:51.58 | alecjw | tremon: got it now fwiw. turns out it's a thinkpad specific thing and i just needed to install a package: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint |
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| 22:52.53 | tremon | thx |
| 22:53.03 | dvs | confusid: What's a "2 update items?" As far as I know, you can't specify two repos like that. |
| 22:53.13 | neon__ | I am having:sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory could not identify , in package installation ! |
| 22:53.27 | abrotman | neon__: the directory yu're in disappeard ? |
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| 22:53.52 | neon__ | abrotman, I have no idea |
| 22:54.07 | abrotman | neither do we .. you haven' tgiven us any details |
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| 22:54.29 | neon__ | I am trying to install phpbb3, and it just doesn't work |
| 22:54.55 | neon__ | I purged it and tried again |
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| 22:55.06 | neon__ | still no go |
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| 22:56.07 | neon__ | purge also cause that weird message |
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| 22:57.01 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/215159/ Is this more acceptable? |
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| 22:58.20 | dvs | confusid: line 23 is still incorrect. But why do you need squeeze-proposed-updates? |
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| 22:58.37 | Viperfang | Any other ideas on this networking issue? |
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| 22:58.46 | ADFENO | ... I've a wireless network, it works well, I'm using it right now, but it's not recgnized by the system... |
| 22:59.20 | confusid | dvs sorry ment to take it out of that line. Would that keep the system up to date on newer items? Or just a waist of time? |
| 22:59.30 | ADFENO | I'm using it, in the same system which the problem happens. |
| 22:59.44 | dvs | confusid: I don't think you need the squeeze-propsed-update repo |
| 22:59.57 | confusid | My system is where I am very happy and all things work that I need or could need. I was thinking about updating/updrating to testing. |
| 23:00.02 | confusid | ok |
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| 23:02.01 | confusid | the proposed updates they are the non security fixes that will end up in the next release? |
| 23:02.42 | dvs | confusid: they are the packages that will end up in squeeze-updates when they are ready |
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| 23:03.59 | confusid | squeeze-updates are the items that are ready for mass population use? |
| 23:04.13 | dvs | yes |
| 23:04.43 | confusid | Thanks for the help and info!! |
| 23:04.59 | dvs | no prob |
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| 23:06.18 | confusid | sweet the errors went away :) |
| 23:06.27 | confusid | I'm off to grab some food.. thanks again1! |
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| 23:16.47 | bt6 | Can anyone help me get Compiz to start as my default Window Manager in wheezy? |
| 23:17.15 | Viperfang | Should networking exist in other runlevels except 0 and 6? |
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| 23:18.19 | dvs | I hope so. 0 and 6 are shutdown and reboot |
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| 23:21.05 | abrotman | thought compiz had been removed |
| 23:22.41 | Viperfang | not on my system.. how can I add them in? |
| 23:22.43 | epsilon | bt6: if you need window shaking around, go buy a mac |
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| 23:26.04 | abrotman | Viperfang: think that's normal now ? |
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| 23:26.52 | Viperfang | Well, when I ask to add them, it tells me the system is dependency based booting... |
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| 23:28.13 | Viperfang | So I figured that networking must be a dependency of something else.. |
| 23:28.44 | bt6 | epsilon: If you're not going to help, don't bother replying. |
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| 23:30.54 | Tramp | for me it's linked to ./rcS.d/S15networking |
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| 23:33.54 | Viperfang | I have in rcS as well, but thats single user mode.. |
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| 23:37.20 | Tramp | Viperfang: no, it's not (only) |
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| 23:39.39 | Viperfang | Tramp: then the readme in /etc/rcS.d/ must be wrong |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | thinks people are confused |
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| 23:40.49 | Tramp | "executed once when booting the system, even when booting directly into single user mode." is, what it says for me. |
| 23:41.05 | Tramp | Viperfang: if it says something differently for you, it may be wrong |
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| 23:42.20 | Viperfang | Oooh, I misread... twice |
| 23:42.24 | Viperfang | Sorry about that |
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