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| 00:01.16 | Woet | How do I disable auto-ipv6 configuration? |
| 00:01.24 | Woet | I want it to use my static IPv6 address instead. |
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| 00:06.25 | darkskiez | Woet: why bother, why not just have static ones too ? |
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| 00:10.12 | darkskiez | Woet: you probably want to change sysctl net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra |
| 00:10.17 | darkskiez | or similar |
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| 00:11.25 | jgiorgi | using znc attempting to connect to my own ircd-hybrid (on the same box), znc is getting connection refused but i can connect from remote host or locally with irssi, what would cause just znc to get a connection refused |
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| 00:22.35 | diverdude | escott: Does this setup makes sense? I have 4x4TB disks. I will build 3 raid arrays: (sda0,sdb0)=raid1 boot array. (sda1,sdb1)=raid1 systemOS array.(sda2,sdb2,sdc0,sdd0)=raid5 storage array. Does that make any sense? |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | what?! |
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| 00:32.16 | habstinat | When I try to wget anything from my Debian SSH box, I get these strange "â"s around where the double quotes are supposed to be under "Saving to: " and I have to close the terminal window and reconnect. Any idea as to what could be causing this? |
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| 00:35.34 | Viperfang | habstinat: Could be an encoding problem, change your local character set to UTF8 |
| 00:35.55 | The_Eccentric | Is freeze the most recent version of deb out |
| 00:35.58 | The_Eccentric | "testing" wise |
| 00:36.41 | Viperfang | freeze? |
| 00:36.42 | habstinat | Viperfang: But "echo $LANG" yeilds "en_US.UTF-8". |
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| 00:37.11 | The_Eccentric | Viperfang: isn't freeze > wheezy |
| 00:37.49 | The_Eccentric | whops |
| 00:37.51 | Viperfang | The_Eccentric: I think you are confusing a status with a release, see http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: wheezy hasn't been released |
| 00:39.14 | dFence | ok... X is relying on udev to supply it with input information; /dev/input/ is packed with all input devices, yet still no sign of them in Xorg.log.0 – am I missing something? |
| 00:39.48 | The_Eccentric | abrotman: I thought testing versions of it are relaesed just not stable |
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| 00:40.29 | abrotman | no |
| 00:40.35 | UltraMC | Setting mysql privileges but it seems wrong: http://pastebin.com/sb52TKA6 |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | the "beta" you see is a beta of the installer, not of the OS |
| 00:41.30 | The_Eccentric | 3.2.0-2-amd64 is still squeeze? |
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| 00:42.03 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:42.16 | abrotman | that's either a BPO kernel, or from wheezy, outdated either ay |
| 00:42.17 | abrotman | way |
| 00:42.44 | Deep6 | a little off topic, but can anyone give me a hand with nfs4 on a synology? |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | on a what? |
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| 00:44.58 | Deep6 | abrotman: 1511 |
| 00:45.12 | Deep6 | synology nas :| |
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| 00:49.28 | The_Eccentric | thanx guys |
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| 01:16.02 | wjtaylor | how can i unzip all the zip files in a directory, extracting them to their own subdirectory (with the same name as the zip file)? |
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| 01:18.52 | zykotick9 | wjtaylor: this might help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8107886/create-folder-for-zip-file-and-extract-to-it |
| 01:19.09 | somiaj | unzip has a -e option to create a directory first |
| 01:19.27 | somiaj | wjtaylor: so I think for i in *zip; do unzip -e $i; done would work. |
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| 01:22.18 | wjtaylor | nice. I'll check both out. thx |
| 01:22.41 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to find the -e option in the manpage, I could have sworn there was one as I have used it before, maybe I was using unzip-nonfree |
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| 01:23.02 | wjtaylor | others have referenced the e option as well.. might be 7zip |
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| 01:24.13 | somiaj | yea I don't have a zip to test it ont, but you could easily make a bash script |
| 01:24.50 | somiaj | that would make a directory and then extract into that directory...I seem to not have a zip that doesn't have the subdir as part of the zip handy |
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| 01:28.38 | somiaj | seems you need "for i in *zip; do unzip -d `basename -s .zip $i` $i; done" (note there is no error checking to see if the direcotry exists or not, so it is kinda crude |
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| 01:34.01 | jesusemelendezm | hi there everybody! how's the people of DEBIAN! |
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| 01:47.58 | jesusemelendezm | what do you guys think about Ubuntu?/ |
| 01:48.10 | cusco | we don't |
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| 01:48.25 | cusco | we redirect ubuntu related questions to #ubuntu |
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| 01:50.38 | The_Eccentric | how do I upgrade the version of wheezy while system is still running |
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| 01:51.35 | cusco | The_Eccentric: upgrade ... to what? |
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| 01:55.01 | jesusemelendezm | I am not going to ask about Ubuntu. HEhehe I just wonder what do you think of that distro. I heard Stallman to say that... IT is just really bad to partner with Amazon... |
| 01:55.06 | jesusemelendezm | I support him |
| 01:55.14 | jesusemelendezm | I prefer debian from now |
| 01:56.00 | cusco | each of us probably has his own opinion |
| 01:56.01 | The_Eccentric | cusco: a new version im at 3.* |
| 01:56.12 | The_Eccentric | is there a 6.* version for wheezy? |
| 01:56.37 | cusco | in my own, it has is own credits, but its point of view differ from the debian's community |
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| 01:56.48 | cusco | The_Eccentric: 3 ... is that potato? |
| 01:56.56 | cusco | or sarge |
| 01:57.05 | The_Eccentric | inux se-united 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 11 17:24:18 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:57.12 | The_Eccentric | is what I have |
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| 01:57.19 | cusco | lol |
| 01:57.23 | cusco | that is the kernel version |
| 01:57.26 | cusco | not debian version |
| 01:57.37 | The_Eccentric | hwo do I check that? |
| 01:57.55 | cusco | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:58.12 | cusco | it would be safer to check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:58.26 | cusco | but if you already know you have wheezy, then you have wheezy |
| 01:59.16 | The_Eccentric | is my kernel version up to date? |
| 01:59.23 | epsilon | for wheezy, yes |
| 01:59.38 | The_Eccentric | :D |
| 01:59.39 | epsilon | if you use vanilla kernel, there are 3.4 and 3.6 trees |
| 01:59.39 | The_Eccentric | thanx |
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| 01:59.49 | The_Eccentric | hrm |
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| 02:00.11 | epsilon | that depends what hardware you have / what you want to do |
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| 02:08.27 | somiaj | if you aren't having hardware module issues you are fine on your kernel. If you have new hardware I would research the support in the newer kernels before trying to install one |
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| 02:08.38 | Sjors | Hi all |
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| 02:09.34 | Juzzy | I have a software raid5 (4 disks) with a bad drive, mdadm -D says it's /dev/sda, but cat /proc/mdstat saus UUU_, is it the 1st drive or last drive? :( |
| 02:09.57 | Juzzy | oh nm, it says sda as well |
| 02:12.02 | cusco | sda is the first lol |
| 02:12.44 | Azrael_- | cusco: this isn't said |
| 02:13.02 | cusco | ok sorry |
| 02:13.22 | Azrael_- | Juzzy: mdadm -D is what matters as the order you added the disks initially can be with any order |
| 02:13.50 | Azrael_- | mdstat only says it is the 4th disk. mdadm -D tells you which one it is :) |
| 02:14.02 | blackness | how would i boot debian livecd from grub2? |
| 02:14.41 | Azrael_- | blackness: change boot-order in bios? |
| 02:14.59 | blackness | i need a menuentry from grub2 |
| 02:15.06 | blackness | for* |
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| 02:15.26 | somiaj | blackness: is it a live-cd or are you trying to boot from an iso? |
| 02:15.33 | blackness | yes..from grub2 |
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| 02:15.43 | blackness | multiboot usb is what im working with |
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| 02:16.16 | blackness | yes, a livecd..sorry |
| 02:16.18 | somiaj | there are some howto's for that in google |
| 02:16.34 | somiaj | well multiboot usb sounds like you want multiple live .iso images on the same usb? |
| 02:16.52 | blackness | i've been googling 'boot debian livecd iso from grub2' and i get crap that returns ubuntu :/ |
| 02:17.01 | blackness | erh, ill give it a try. |
| 02:17.58 | somiaj | blackness: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ |
| 02:18.05 | Azrael_- | i remember a windows tool to create a bootable usb stick which creates automatically grub-entries from the iso you provide. thus you can add as many live cds as you want :) (dunno if this would help) |
| 02:18.07 | somiaj | teh first google hit I got |
| 02:18.46 | Bogus8 | Anyone watching the fight? |
| 02:19.00 | blackness | doesnt give me a debian example..do i boot debian like i would ubuntu? |
| 02:19.15 | somiaj | blackness: it gives you a grub.cfg file, look at that, adjust for the livecd's you want |
| 02:19.30 | somiaj | blackness: I would assume for the most part you can mimic things, but if you run into issues adjuts |
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| 02:42.45 | blackness | ok, multibootusb failed. |
| 02:42.54 | blackness | any other suggestions? :P |
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| 03:01.06 | jesusemelendezm | yes |
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| 03:13.50 | joejoe | Hello, I'm trying to use #include <conio.h> But seems that is not in the system. Are there other libraries I can install for C? |
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| 03:15.04 | jesusemelendezm | joejoe |
| 03:15.16 | jesusemelendezm | what editor are you using |
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| 03:15.22 | pfred1 | an h file is a header |
| 03:15.30 | joejoe | geany and vi atm. |
| 03:15.38 | joejoe | I have emacs but not good with it. |
| 03:15.39 | jesusemelendezm | ok |
| 03:15.44 | jesusemelendezm | right. |
| 03:16.12 | joejoe | I've googled and I don't see a all in one package to download for c libraries |
| 03:16.48 | pfred1 | that file is distributed with the libcaca-dev package |
| 03:17.24 | pfred1 | heh |
| 03:17.41 | pfred1 | oh wait no it isn't |
| 03:17.48 | joejoe | Is there something I can search to see all the dev's I can install to have a full library? |
| 03:18.40 | pfred1 | something called caca_conio.h is |
| 03:19.29 | pfred1 | firefox comes with a header file by that name |
| 03:20.16 | pfred1 | just happens to have a build tree of that kicking around on his system ATM |
| 03:20.22 | blackness | i cant figure it out, multibootusb spits out errors about a mismatch disklabel but doesnt tell me what it is. |
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| 03:20.27 | joejoe | I may be on a goose chase :/ |
| 03:20.40 | joejoe | conio.h is a C header file used in old MS-DOS compilers ugh.. Thought it was standard... |
| 03:20.58 | pfred1 | joejoe /mozilla-release/config/system_wrappers/conio.h |
| 03:21.42 | pfred1 | joejoe probably not the file you're looking for though |
| 03:22.17 | joejoe | I'm just wanting to change output of text color :) |
| 03:22.42 | pfred1 | you're writing a terminal program? |
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| 03:23.23 | joejoe | yes |
| 03:23.38 | somiaj | joejoe: you can use escape sequences in your text, most terminals accept them |
| 03:23.40 | joejoe | want it to do more then just be a term but that is where I am starting |
| 03:23.46 | pfred1 | joejoe have a look at ncurses it seems popular |
| 03:23.50 | joejoe | ty |
| 03:24.22 | pfred1 | joejoe aptitude search ncurses |
| 03:24.35 | pfred1 | gives you a big long list of this and that to look at |
| 03:24.50 | somiaj | or just look for vt100 color escape squences in google if you want something fairly easy. ncurses just uses that plus much more to have a lot of control of a terminal |
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| 03:25.33 | pfred1 | somiaj all terminal color stuff seems hooked into ncurses to me |
| 03:25.36 | joejoe | ty |
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| 03:26.18 | pfred1 | so it can't be a bad thing to have a look at |
| 03:26.37 | somiaj | pfred1: color is simple enough any vt100 complient termainal can do them with standard escape sequences |
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| 03:27.11 | joejoe | if I wanted the program to cross compile for linux and windows. Would a windows cmd term work the same? |
| 03:27.12 | somiaj | pfred1: the more difficult stuff like moving teh cursor around, placing a character at a specific place, changing only part of the terminal are better doen with ncurses |
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| 03:27.53 | somiaj | joejoe: I don't think so. I am unsure how windows cmd or whatever it calls would deal with color |
| 03:28.10 | somiaj | joejoe: and even if you used ncurses I dont' think there is a windows libary for that in their cmd |
| 03:28.33 | joejoe | k |
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| 03:28.40 | pfred1 | a long time ago I wrote some machine assembler programs for MS-DOS terminals and i used escape sequences i think |
| 03:28.53 | joejoe | First real attempt at making a program. made a list of what I want it to do now trying to figure it out :) |
| 03:28.54 | pfred1 | that was before I ran Linux |
| 03:29.03 | joejoe | k |
| 03:29.30 | pfred1 | someplace I still have that code kicking around |
| 03:30.29 | joejoe | I'm just confused about how to get all the libraries. |
| 03:30.57 | somiaj | joejoe: apt-get install build-essential, from there you have all the standard libs |
| 03:31.07 | pfred1 | I have 1366 libraries installed on my system and that isn't all of them |
| 03:31.36 | joejoe | already have build-essential installed. What about gui libraries for c? |
| 03:31.41 | somiaj | joejoe: beyond that if you want to use ncurses then install the dev of that libary (you most likely have the libary installed already) |
| 03:32.01 | somiaj | joejoe: gui libaries? What are you thinking those are? |
| 03:32.04 | inspire | joejoe: One tactic might be to check out build-deps for a similar program to what you're writing. |
| 03:32.35 | joejoe | libncurses5-dev - developer's libraries and docs for ncurses Would that be it? |
| 03:32.37 | pfred1 | yeah or ldd the executable |
| 03:33.00 | joejoe | Googleing suggest I need specific libraries so I could make a gui from within C |
| 03:33.09 | pfred1 | that'll spit out every library a binary is linked to |
| 03:33.23 | somiaj | what is a gui? if all you want is to output the text you dont' need anythign non-standard |
| 03:33.59 | somiaj | if you want to make a window appear in xorg, there are lots of options. From just linking to the low level xlibs, to using a standard tool kit like gtk, qt, and others out there. |
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| 03:34.26 | joejoe | I want to make a term program then once it works. Have a graphical part that can be run in xfce4 in my case. So I do not have to alway's use term to run it. |
| 03:34.31 | somiaj | I couldn't suggest any standard simple toolkits that would make creating windows in xorg easy. |
| 03:34.47 | joejoe | ok |
| 03:34.54 | somiaj | is there anything special about running it outside of a term, you could just make a menu entry |
| 03:35.02 | pfred1 | joejoe if you want to write a GUI program then GTK and QT are popular libraries to use then again python is pretty popular today too |
| 03:35.04 | somiaj | that would launch a terminal to only run your program then close the terminal when it is done? |
| 03:35.27 | joejoe | more of proof of concept in my mind about a gui. |
| 03:35.31 | somiaj | though if you plan to have mouse interaction, yea gui toolkits are the easy way to go |
| 03:35.39 | joejoe | ok |
| 03:35.53 | somiaj | but at this point joejoe you should be talking in what ever programing language channel you chose |
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| 03:36.08 | pfred1 | there is a visual basic kind of a toy called gambas2 |
| 03:36.21 | pfred1 | it can't really make a stand alone executable |
| 03:36.47 | ChmEarl | does wheezy require PAE support in the hardware? |
| 03:37.09 | ChmEarl | can't decide between squeeze or wheezy |
| 03:37.34 | pfred1 | ChmEarl you only need PAE if you want to address more than 3.5GB of RAM in 32 bit mode |
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| 03:39.56 | pfred1 | I'm pretty sure if the kernel doesn't find the hardware it just doesn't load the code |
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| 03:40.54 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have installed bare minimum of wheezy thru virtualbox and after copied the partition on to a usb......i moved it on to the old machine that i'd like to use as a server......it boots and everything but doesn't detect ethernet card, when i ran "lspci|grep Ethernet"......i get ".......netxtreme bcm5751 gigabit......."......how do i solve this? i can get the drivers thru vm and copy the re-copy the partition |
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| 03:43.09 | ChmEarl | pfred1, thanks - going to try a minimal wheezy i386 and see how far I get |
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| 03:43.57 | pfred1 | ChmEarl you're welcome |
| 03:43.58 | inspire | paranoidphreak: YOu might need to dig up and install the firmware package for the nic. |
| 03:45.52 | paranoidphreak | inspire: oh ok....... |
| 03:46.25 | inspire | paranoidphreak: Which I'm looking around, and not finding 'em... I run into something not unlike this with some broadcom stuff in Dell PowerEdge servers. |
| 03:48.30 | paranoidphreak | inspire: thanks........when i tried gui version of squeeze, the network card in question was working |
| 03:49.03 | inspire | paranoidphreak: Yeah, I bet it's a matter of figuring out which package it's in. |
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| 03:49.56 | inspire | firmware-linux-nonfree has some *similar* chipsets... |
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| 03:50.52 | JohnnyL | menu.lst is no longer needed by >3.X? |
| 03:50.55 | JohnnyL | in grub? |
| 03:51.03 | bubull3 | paranoidphreak: you need the following module /drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.ko |
| 03:51.17 | pfred1 | JohnnyL new distributions use grub2 |
| 03:51.29 | pfred1 | which isn't exactly grub |
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| 03:51.53 | inspire | bubull3: What package is that from? dpkg -S /drivers/net/ethernet/broadcom/tg3.ko |
| 03:51.55 | paranoidphreak | bubull3: thanks alot |
| 03:52.02 | JohnnyL | pfred1: ok |
| 03:52.23 | pfred1 | JohnnyL about all that is the same is teh first 4 letters of the name :( |
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| 03:52.38 | bubull3 | it s in the linux kernel from debian unstable as is |
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| 03:52.45 | JohnnyL | pfred1: ah ok |
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| 03:52.53 | inspire | Ah. Running Squeeze here, so it's not in. |
| 03:53.11 | bubull3 | inspire: it should be there too |
| 03:53.28 | inspire | bubull3: Nope. |
| 03:54.00 | inspire | bubull3: Thankfully I don't need it. =) |
| 03:54.13 | bubull3 | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=tg3.ko&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 03:56.08 | inspire | bubull3: Ah, Here it is. /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko and /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko e.g., in linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 03:56.36 | inspire | Broadcom lawyers must have been asleep that day. |
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| 04:07.46 | JohnnyL | what is typical for a fs , ext3? |
| 04:08.10 | dvs | yes |
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| 04:09.09 | nmschulte | o/ -- I have a PDF document that is image heavy. My PDF viewer is choking when rendering/scrolling. Is there any tool to remove images from the PDF while retaining text formatting? |
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| 04:10.57 | JohnnyL | dvs: isn't resierefs better though? |
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| 04:11.23 | dvs | JohnnyL: reiserfs is no longer being maintained. |
| 04:12.38 | pfred1 | yeah you can't have computers in jail cells I don't think |
| 04:15.10 | FilipeMaia | Hi. My machine seems quite slow recently. I think it might have something to do with NUMA. The NUMA distance as reported by numactl rapidly reaches 40. Is this normal (distances here http://paste.debian.net/215182/)? |
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| 04:19.09 | Coweater | how do i see what failed during boot, are those messages logged somewhere? |
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| 04:23.11 | dvs | Coweater: dmesg is a good start |
| 04:23.27 | Sean-Der | Is there anything I need to do when pulling in laptop-mode-tools, my bettery life goes through the roof. However, it kills my wireless. I saw that I can turn on debugging, but I was gonna ask here to see if I missed something |
| 04:23.30 | Coweater | it doesn't have what i'm looking for, the bright red and green messages |
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| 04:41.14 | JohnnyL | what version and distribution of Linux do supercomputers normally use? |
| 04:41.28 | unLab-Hackbox10 | PelicanHPC |
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| 04:44.47 | unLab-Hackbox10 | if I do this: aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ would it still boot to terminal or would it boot straight into kde (I want it to boot to terminal) |
| 04:44.57 | JohnnyL | unLab-Hackbox10: can you use it with variable computer online? |
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| 04:46.19 | unLab-Hackbox10 | JohnnyL, I didnt get very far with it got 10 computers booting to it via pxe over gigabit but it would xplode when I would tried to use the master server |
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| 05:01.29 | GomoX | Hello |
| 05:01.50 | GomoX | When does apt-get install a new version of a package? I'm interested specifically in the versioning scheme |
| 05:02.17 | GomoX | Say package 1.2.3 is installed and I upload package 1.2.4 to the repo |
| 05:02.22 | GomoX | apt-get will install 1.2.4 |
| 05:02.30 | GomoX | But how about stuff like 1.2.3-1 vs. 1.2.3 |
| 05:02.44 | GomoX | Or 1.2.3+svn1 vs. 1.2.3-5 |
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| 05:03.06 | dvs | or 1.2.3-squeeze1 ? |
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| 05:03.40 | GomoX | Is there a doc on dpkg or apt-get's behaviour? |
| 05:04.09 | ManoftheSea | GomoX: did you try the man page? |
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| 05:04.28 | JohnnyL | are there any web based interfaces for admin of linux? |
| 05:04.43 | GomoX | ManoftheSea, not very specific |
| 05:05.34 | ManoftheSea | you want to know when the version string is considered greater? |
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| 05:07.01 | GomoX | Yes |
| 05:07.06 | GomoX | That would be helpful |
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| 05:07.54 | GomoX | (I'm building packages for my system that is continuously delivered so i tag releases with the SCM revision |
| 05:08.12 | GomoX | The SCM being distributed, older releases don't have incrementally larger versions |
| 05:08.14 | GomoX | hence the issue |
| 05:08.27 | Rusty1 | JohnnyL: use to be something called webmin out there |
| 05:09.17 | dvs | !webmin |
| 05:09.17 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 05:09.44 | GomoX | http://www.fifi.org/doc/libapt-pkg-doc/dpkg-tech.html/ch3.html <- looks promising |
| 05:10.04 | ManoftheSea | GomoX: http://liw.iki.fi/liw/log2/2008-01-04a.html |
| 05:10.16 | ManoftheSea | and it points at the debian manual, which tells you how version strings are managed |
| 05:10.56 | unLab-Hackbox10 | if I do this: aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ would it still boot to terminal or would it boot straight into kde (I want it to boot to terminal)? |
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| 05:13.09 | GomoX | man deb-version seems relevant as well |
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| 05:14.41 | JohnnyL | Rusty1: yes, that is what google gives. |
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| 05:14.44 | JohnnyL | what's the admin for debian? |
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| 05:16.54 | JohnnyL | nevermind |
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| 05:21.02 | GomoX | dpkg --compare-versions is also cool for learning by example |
| 05:21.03 | dpkg | GomoX: what are you talking about? |
| 05:21.17 | JohnnyL | is this true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems ? |
| 05:21.22 | GomoX | dpkg, not you, silly bot |
| 05:21.22 | dpkg | GomoX: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:21.27 | ManoftheSea | dpkg you're a bot. |
| 05:21.27 | dpkg | ManoftheSea: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 05:22.23 | Piggy | bites one of GomoX's legs off |
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| 05:24.13 | zophy | which is a faster device in a laptop, a sd camera card or a usb drive ? |
| 05:24.50 | zophy | for use as a ext4 file system ? |
| 05:24.52 | GomoX | !lobotomy Piggy |
| 05:24.52 | dpkg | pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on Piggy |
| 05:25.01 | dvs | zophy: they're pretty much the same since they use the same interface. |
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| 05:25.28 | GomoX | zophy, depends on the quality of each |
| 05:25.38 | GomoX | zophy, they are essentially the same type of device |
| 05:25.56 | GomoX | zophy, i'd venture it would be easier to get a fast SD card than a fast thumb drive |
| 05:26.14 | zophy | so.. are they slower than a laptop hard drive ? |
| 05:26.27 | GomoX | zophy, depends greatly on ... |
| 05:26.40 | GomoX | zophy, the easy way to tell is to benchmark with HDParm |
| 05:26.47 | GomoX | takes a few seconds |
| 05:26.50 | zophy | hmm |
| 05:27.00 | JohnnyL | how to grab pixels in x under *any* desktop? |
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| 05:30.27 | JohnnyL | 1.94% user share, wtf is linux doing wrong? |
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| 05:34.47 | BackEndCoder | thats the percentage of smart people |
| 05:37.46 | zophy | Timing buffered disk reads: 62 MB in 3.00 seconds = 20.64 MB/sec |
| 05:37.54 | zophy | not terrible |
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| 05:42.46 | JohnnyL | BackEndCoder: yeah, specifically the ones who don't give a shit about people who don't know what a man page is. |
| 05:42.49 | JohnnyL | :p |
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| 05:54.35 | Malf | Running wheezy and starting gnome by logging in via gdm3 is failing. If I start gnome-session directly everything comes up without a problem. Anyone have any obvious places to look to track down the problem? |
| 05:55.01 | Malf | None of the few logs I've looked at so far have provided any useful clues |
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| 05:57.41 | eyeris | I have a USB mic that shows up in pacmd's list-sources but it isn't displayed in the gnome sound settings. |
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| 05:59.19 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 06:03.10 | eyeris | Oh, it seems I need to tell the GUI to enable the input on the hardware tab. |
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| 06:10.20 | zophy | http://www.catb.org/ |
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| 06:29.50 | K1LL3NT1M3 | I have an issue if anyone is willing to talk to me about it |
| 06:30.17 | K1LL3NT1M3 | regarding a fresh debian install |
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| 06:34.06 | K1LL3NT1M3 | anye able to help me with a fresh debian install |
| 06:34.14 | K1LL3NT1M3 | anyone |
| 06:34.32 | unLab-Hackbox10 | never ask to ask a question |
| 06:34.33 | lasers | K1LL3NT1M3: NO. Nobody know what you wanted. |
| 06:34.48 | K1LL3NT1M3 | okay well my issue seems odd to me |
| 06:35.04 | K1LL3NT1M3 | I did a fresh debian netinstall from a CD, it installed fine, downloaded everything from the internet |
| 06:35.18 | K1LL3NT1M3 | Then shortly after finishing the installation I was able to surf the internet for about 60 seconds |
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| 06:35.26 | K1LL3NT1M3 | then I lost internet and no internet connection would work |
| 06:35.33 | K1LL3NT1M3 | yet it was able to download the OS and install fine |
| 06:35.39 | K1LL3NT1M3 | and worked for a short time after |
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| 06:35.43 | K1LL3NT1M3 | any ideas? |
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| 06:37.18 | somiaj | K1LL3NT1M3: I would start with basic debugging to figure out where the problem is |
| 06:37.51 | K1LL3NT1M3 | I don't think i'm good enough to debug a whole OS... |
| 06:38.07 | somiaj | K1LL3NT1M3: ifconfig -a should list all your interfaces, can you ping the ip of the interface? Is the interface up? Can you ping your gateway? Can you ping a domain name is it dns |
| 06:38.26 | K1LL3NT1M3 | good question |
| 06:38.41 | K1LL3NT1M3 | I'd have to reboot to tell you though since it's a dual boot laptop |
| 06:38.44 | K1LL3NT1M3 | ugh |
| 06:39.03 | K1LL3NT1M3 | Well brb |
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| 07:01.17 | raphaelsc | I'm needing a i386 usb debian image, can someone help me? |
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| 07:01.58 | raphaelsc | I'm not finding on Debian website the usb images placement. |
| 07:02.13 | nachos | Hi, With the NVIDIA drivers, Gnome3 _ALWAYS_ hangs, just freezes, I can still use the mouse but after logging in it may freeze or after 30 minutes or it may work for a day. |
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| 07:02.29 | nachos | Does anyone know a fix to this? Or do I have to wait for NVIDIA to get there shit together. |
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| 07:03.36 | lasers | raphaelsc: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 07:04.07 | raphaelsc | lasers: thanks |
| 07:06.58 | raphaelsc | lasers, which Window management does debian-live-6.0.5-i386-standard.iso provide? |
| 07:07.09 | raphaelsc | As I'm seeing, it's much shorter than the other images. |
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| 07:08.39 | raphaelsc | Nevertheless, I'm downloading the gnome debian |
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| 07:11.56 | somiaj | raphaelsc: all debian bootable .iso images can be written to usb drives from squeeze onward |
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| 07:12.26 | somiaj | raphaelsc: what are you wanting the iso for? |
| 07:12.41 | somiaj | standard.iso I don't think has any WM on it, and is just a set of tools. |
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| 07:14.11 | x_ | what is the debian release cycle? |
| 07:14.27 | somiaj | nachos: what version of debian are you running and how are you installing the drivers |
| 07:14.53 | somiaj | x_: what do you want to know about it? A new stable is relased on the 'when it is ready' which means no rc critical bugs left |
| 07:15.20 | somiaj | x_: currently wheezy (testing) is in a freeze and will be released once it is ready (say next 6 months give or take) |
| 07:15.56 | x_ | somiaj, awesome thanks so no releasing stuff when it isn't ready *ubuntu* |
| 07:16.19 | somiaj | x_: the cycle is a new stable about every 3 years, the old stable will be supported with security updates for one full year after the new stable is released |
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| 07:17.41 | somiaj | x_: debian will also provide a very good relase notes that will explain the whole upgrade process and since you have a year of support in the old stable, you have time to test the upgrade in a vm or what not and do it when you are ready |
| 07:17.42 | x_ | somiaj, and new kernels are added as they are created? and can I upgrade without re-installing via command line? I am running debian in a vm now from the very base net-install and loving it. |
| 07:17.55 | somiaj | (note you can still run the old stable after security support is stoped on archive.debian.org, but usually that is not suggested) |
| 07:18.53 | somiaj | x_: what do you mean by that. Stable is frozen, it will not get a new kernel or upgrades beyond security and bugfixes |
| 07:19.45 | somiaj | x_: yes you can upgrade, part of the rc bugs include the upgrade process. And the upgrade process is always documented |
| 07:20.10 | x_ | somiaj, like on ubuntu when a new kernel is released I just do an apt-get upgrade and I get the new kernel so debian stays on the same kernel for 3 years!? |
| 07:20.36 | somiaj | x_: the offical kernel will only recive security upgrades but never a version upgrade |
| 07:21.22 | x_ | somiaj, ok... so if a new kernel comes out with new features It is not added to apt? |
| 07:21.25 | x_ | sounds strange to me |
| 07:21.26 | somiaj | x_: for example squeeze was released with 2.6.32 and still uses that kernel as default. Wheezy will be released with 3.2 and that will be the standard kernel |
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| 07:22.24 | somiaj | x_: stable is frozen. The idea is to keep it that way so upgrades dont' break things unexpectially on production machines |
| 07:22.45 | x_ | somiaj, yea i've had a kernel update break my sound one time on ubuntu but that was it. |
| 07:22.56 | x_ | in 5+ years |
| 07:23.49 | somiaj | x_: due to squeeze-backports (and wheezy-backports) it is possible to get a newer kernel if you want, but the upgrades in stable will only be minimial and only contain security/bug fixes. This is to ensure nothing changes that could break a production system |
| 07:23.51 | x_ | somiaj, won't I be missing out on performance gains if I don't get kernel updates for 3+ years? |
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| 07:24.56 | somiaj | not really, new kernels don't usually just give better preformance. The backports are so if you have hardware/machine that would get advatngae of a new kernel they will be available, but in most cases not getting version upgrades saves hassle. Stable and secure is better than new and untested |
| 07:25.01 | JC` | Is it rude to email a package maintainer and ask why they're not maintaing a package? |
| 07:25.13 | somiaj | x_: as a comparasion there are distros that are supported for 10+ years without changing the core. |
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| 07:25.44 | x_ | so on my ubuntu box i'm on kernel 3.5.0-17 |
| 07:25.46 | somiaj | JC`: file a bug would be my suggestion. I am with you there the fvwm matainer has been away for a few years now |
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| 07:26.32 | x_ | somiaj, I just wonder how much has changed from the debian kernel to the 3.5.0-17 one i'm using on my ubuntu box now... |
| 07:26.39 | JC` | ah. i haven't used fvwm in a looooong time. |
| 07:27.00 | somiaj | JC`: but yea file a wishlist bug for a new upstream version or what ever it is you need the matainer to do |
| 07:27.24 | JC` | roger. thanks. |
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| 07:27.38 | somiaj | JC`: If that doesn't work you can try to get a newer version into debian by making a good package and getting a mentor. But right now with the stabalizing of wheezy things like that are gonna be put aside until the new testing starts evolving |
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| 07:29.00 | JC` | i'm probably pretty crazy. i opted to start off with wheezy after switching from gentoo having ran it for years. my last debian experiences were from the woody/sarge days. |
| 07:29.31 | raphaelsc | somiaj, I was away, thanks for answering :) |
| 07:29.45 | raphaelsc | Going to sleep |
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| 07:30.56 | somiaj | JC`: what do you want from the os? Do you like how gentoo is a rolling relase, or do you want to stablize with wheezy and run a frozen and stable system |
| 07:31.16 | x_ | somiaj, how easy is it to setup debian to pull newest kernel w/ apt-get ? |
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| 07:31.54 | x_ | somiaj, I figure if a new kernel breaks something I can just use grub to boot the previous stable kernel. |
| 07:31.57 | JC` | somiaj: mostly just moving away from the long compile times and the breakages that make me want to beat my head against the wall. |
| 07:32.23 | somiaj | x_: I think you are addicted to new kernels, do you have hardware that really needs them? With backports you can get a newer kernel than comes in stable, but it might be as new as you are use to in ubuntu. debian takes a bit more time to test the kernels before making backporst |
| 07:32.51 | somiaj | JC`: well if you want a very stable nice system, I would stick with wheezy and stablize with it. |
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| 07:33.18 | somiaj | JC`: but if you like the more evolving release, you can run sid (which is what I do, speaking of which I need to upgrade again) |
| 07:33.36 | x_ | somiaj, I guess I don't *need* new kernels since all my devices work just fine.... but I worry about missing out on improvements etc |
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| 07:34.00 | somiaj | x_: right now the newest kernel you can get in squeeze is 3.2 and that will never change. I assume once wheezy is released (it comes with 3.2) the newer kernesl at that time will become available in backports |
| 07:34.00 | JC` | somiaj: do you see any issues with just continually running testing? |
| 07:34.45 | somiaj | JC`: If you want to run bleeding edge debian I suggest sid = unstable |
| 07:35.23 | somiaj | JC`: many people run sid or testing and do just fine, you will have to be willing to fix things when they break though. |
| 07:35.24 | JC` | i don't really need bleeding edge, but i don't want dark ages old, either. |
| 07:35.42 | somiaj | JC`: I think stable + backports (even if you have to compile some yourself) is the best bet |
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| 07:36.18 | somiaj | JC`: if you want a more rolling system I suggest sid over testing, but that is just my experience. I say only use testing if you want to stablize with it or actually test things and help improve debian. |
| 07:36.19 | JC` | and i assume the community has gotten a bit friendlier in helping to fix breakages. i know in the olden days there was pretty strong rtfm mentality. |
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| 07:37.31 | somiaj | JC`: some for the good, mostly for the bad. I kinda miss the old RTFM mentality, because many people wont. But it is nice to get some guidance if you can't understand the manual |
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| 07:37.52 | somiaj | damn tehre was a good story/myth on the wiki I want to find now |
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| 07:38.38 | JC` | somiaj: i'm talking breakages where the solution isn't immediately obvious. i'm cool with rtfm when it's right there in front of me :) |
| 07:38.40 | zophy | what package do i install to get postgresql with haskell ? |
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| 07:39.08 | somiaj | JC`: the bts is the best place, unless you have a very very uniqu breakage you can find info there |
| 07:39.22 | somiaj | JC`: there is help, but as always the better questions the better help |
| 07:41.23 | JC` | somiaj: bts? |
| 07:41.37 | nachos | somiaj: through the offical driver package |
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| 07:41.39 | somiaj | JC`: bug tracking system. that is what the developers use to fix bugs |
| 07:41.44 | nachos | somiaj: from the nvidia site |
| 07:41.48 | nachos | I run sli 680's |
| 07:42.03 | somiaj | nachos: that is most likely your problem, if you aren't careful you will conflict with the debian stuff. What version of debian? |
| 07:42.10 | nachos | wheezy |
| 07:42.19 | nachos | how can i install the nvidia drivers the 'debian' way? |
| 07:42.23 | somiaj | JC`: http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 07:42.30 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 07:42.31 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.64-2; experimental/non-free: 310.19-0+exp1 |
| 07:42.51 | somiaj | nachos: is that version in wheezy 304.48 going to support your cards? |
| 07:42.58 | nachos | yeah |
| 07:43.11 | nachos | how do i add non-free? |
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| 07:43.34 | somiaj | nachos: modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and switch 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' |
| 07:43.40 | somiaj | then apt-get update and you are fine |
| 07:43.58 | somiaj | note there is a tool to safely remove the offical nvidia drivers, it is the nivida cleanup tool |
| 07:44.20 | somiaj | then just install nvidia-kernel-dkms, linux-headers-<kernel version> and nvidia-glx and you should be fine |
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| 07:45.28 | JC` | somiaj: rather amusing |
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| 07:46.06 | somiaj | JC`: with backports becoming offically though debian and being able to make your won I would suggest running stable (or stablizing with wheezy) unless you really enjoy the fun of a rolling release |
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| 07:46.51 | nachos | ,v nvidia-kernel-common |
| 07:46.53 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-common on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1; squeeze-backports/contrib: 20111111+1~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 20120630+3; wheezy/contrib: 20120630+3; experimental/contrib: 20120731+1 |
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| 07:47.07 | JC` | always have (with Gentoo). i'm pretty good at dealing with breakage. just wanting to get away from compiling for a spell. |
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| 07:48.41 | nachos | thans somiaj |
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| 07:48.48 | nachos | somiaj: do you run nvidia? |
| 07:48.54 | x_ | somiaj, I am sure you have done your best to answer my kernel questions but I am more confused than ever.... I just feel like if I switch my ubuntu box to debian I am going back from a 3.5 kernel to a 2.6 and that just seems like a terrible idea? |
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| 07:52.33 | somiaj | nmschulte: yes |
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| 07:53.57 | somiaj | x_: I said squeeze-backports contains a 3.2 kernel. really 3.2 is really close to 3.5 |
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| 07:54.19 | somiaj | x_: newer isn't always better, but if you have that mentality then debian might not be for your |
| 07:54.22 | x_ | I have squeeze on my VM idk what backports is or how to use it though. |
| 07:54.34 | somiaj | !backports |
| 07:54.34 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 07:54.56 | somiaj | x_: goto backports.debian.org or check out /msg dpkg debian-backports |
| 07:55.02 | x_ | somiaj, well I installed the net-install version. used only the base system and worked my way up from their and got everything working in a Vm that I need so i'd say I can handle it ;-p |
| 07:55.24 | x_ | there* |
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| 07:58.08 | JC` | somiaj: appreciate the insight. see you around, sometime. |
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| 07:59.17 | ChmEarl | got wheezy running on Pentium-M notebook from 2005... smooth as silk in xfce4 WM |
| 07:59.57 | somiaj | JC`: I would suggest sid if you want the more rolling/upto date then. testing has its own set of issues, and I would rather just have breakage |
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| 08:03.48 | JC` | somiaj: what are its issues? i assume the packages not making their way in from unstable and the freeze. |
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| 08:05.21 | somiaj | JC`: that is mostly the issues, packages have to filter though sid first. During large updates source upgrades (like gnome, kde) things filter in and cause issues that wern't present in sid because of how the package versions interact |
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| 08:06.31 | somiaj | JC`: so sid gets fixes and security much faster, but because things just get uploaded to it without much testing, it could get more devistating breaks |
| 08:06.52 | somiaj | my experience is the breaks happen, but I haven't ran into the old day of data loss breaks. I have had to use livecd's multiple times to recover my system though. |
| 08:07.17 | JC` | somiaj: not really worried about the X stuff. i run a multiuser server. i can deal with most breaks, i just don't want constant breaks, which was my last experience with sid, long ago. |
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| 08:09.01 | somiaj | JC`: I have used sid for 10+ years and haven't had constant breaks. but I only upgrade my system every few months, once things are running well I kinda just leave it alone |
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| 08:12.03 | somiaj | JC`: if you run a server you should really stick with stable + backports (making your own for the software you need newer if debian dosen't make them shouldn't be too difficult for someone who understands compling software) |
| 08:12.54 | JC` | yeah, but then i wouldn't be able to test and help out ;-) |
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| 08:31.33 | atomfire | hey everyone! I installed google chrome a month or so ago, and I was experimenting with different versions from the website. I've tried every means of uninstalling it, but it's still in my menu. |
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| 08:31.56 | atomfire | I've done apt-get search chrome, chromium, and google, and none of those come up with anything that's still installed |
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| 08:32.50 | atomfire | It doesn't launch from the menu, but it's still showing up as a menu item. Is there a way to erase it in xfce that anyone knows about? |
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| 08:41.30 | somiaj | atomfire: how did you install google-chrome. since that isn't an offical debian package it is kinda hard to say where it put the menu |
| 08:41.55 | somiaj | atomfire: might have to look at the actual package you did. maybe it installed something in /etc/menu, maybe it put the menu in your $HOME |
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| 08:48.36 | atomfire | somiaj: thank you, I can't remember how I finally installed it. In my download directory I have .deb files for current and stable, but I couldn't uninstall either one with dpkg |
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| 08:51.30 | somiaj | atomfire: if the menu was put in via the debian menu package check /etc/menu, /usr/share/menu, or even $HOME/.menu or use find and look for files that contain the keyword chormium |
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| 08:56.28 | Randomnoob9009 | Hello, im looking to go to debian unstable, but i have a usb in an encrypted format? |
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| 08:57.25 | Randomnoob9009 | will a unetbootin or some of tool, format this locked device? |
| 08:58.43 | atomfire | somiaj: thank you |
| 08:59.56 | somiaj | Randomnoob9009: you dont' need unetbootin for a debian iso, just cat the .iso file to the usbthumb drive. |
| 09:00.29 | somiaj | it should just create a new disk image that will boot. If there is some hardware/encrypted lock beyond software I havne't ran across sucht higns |
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| 09:03.28 | Randomnoob9009 | alas its going to be an interesting night lol |
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| 09:07.29 | Randomnoob9009 | cat in powershell = ? |
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| 09:08.07 | somiaj | not sure the best tool in windows, I just know the unetbootin can sometimes create bad images |
| 09:08.12 | Randomnoob9009 | screw it, ill just vm it |
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| 09:09.10 | Randomnoob9009 | sigh |
| 09:09.13 | Randomnoob9009 | even the vmware image i got was rooted i found -.- |
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| 09:12.06 | atomfire | somiaj: I found it in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 09:12.38 | demona | inspire: Actually, it *was* slightly more complicated and onerous than 'apt-get install tftpd' |
| 09:12.43 | somiaj | atomfire: install the chromimum package and avoid non debian packages if you want quality integration. (: |
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| 09:13.36 | atomfire | somiaj: thank you, I was playing with experimental or unstable, whichever it is. And thanks for the advice, I'm a proponent of stability as well :) |
| 09:13.56 | demona | But I was able to boot ISO's over PXE/TFTP after putting together two URL's I found, and from there it was slightly straightforward to add kernel images as well |
| 09:14.05 | somiaj | experimental is not a full distrubtion and packages from that should not be used by the average users (even those who like sid) |
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| 09:14.34 | demona | I'm glad that it will hopefully allow me to abandon past hours/years of pain borne of optical drives/media |
| 09:15.03 | atomfire | somiaj: I understand, I was referring to google-chrome-unstable |
| 09:15.22 | atomfire | somiaj: I've never played with Debian Experimental |
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| 09:17.55 | somiaj | that is because debian experimental is not a full os, it is only a collection of some packages deemed to bugy for sid |
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| 09:18.08 | innociv | I'm trying to get monit to kill node.js when it's using too much cpu. Can someone help? I have it set up like this: http://pastebin.com/7TbrJBvU when I run "monit status" it will monit it once, then stop it once when triggered to properly. The program will automatically restart(because of forever), but it no longer monitors it unless I change the process name in the config and restart monit. |
| 09:18.10 | atomfire | somiaj: doesn't sound like my kind of fun |
| 09:18.29 | somiaj | atomfire: experiemtal package are ment to be installed in sid if you really really want bleeding edge |
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| 09:23.42 | Randomnoob9009 | innociv: so your passwd is forever and start? |
| 09:23.49 | Randomnoob9009 | lol |
| 09:24.11 | innociv | No. |
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| 09:24.59 | Randomnoob9009 | at least make it login to a ssh daemon with a hashtable encrypted password then |
| 09:25.06 | innociv | Forever is a wrapper for node.js which automatically restarts a script when it dies, a long with some other features. |
| 09:25.07 | innociv | what?.. |
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| 09:25.58 | Randomnoob9009 | i've seen too many open source projects get hijacked :( |
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| 09:36.43 | jelly-home | innociv: why are you using both monit and forever? Let monit deal with restarting. |
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| 09:37.28 | innociv | Because forever does do a number of other things, like create a pidfile. |
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| 09:38.45 | innociv | But I guess I could. That may be what the fissue is. Maybe if I made an init.d script it'd work better. |
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| 09:39.12 | bluesm | Do you think is a good resource - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHu7qI1gDPA |
| 09:39.13 | bluesm | ? |
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| 09:40.48 | jelly-home | innociv: also, do a restart instead of stop with monit |
| 09:41.07 | innociv | There is no start command for it, since forever does the restarting after its killed. |
| 09:41.17 | innociv | It is stopping and starting again fine, but monit is no longer monitoring it. |
| 09:41.27 | innociv | Does stop make it stop monitoring? Or is it something that forever is doing? |
| 09:41.39 | innociv | Will restart still work without a start command? Or should I make start command blank? |
| 09:41.40 | jelly-home | of course, since you told it to stop, and the command succeeded |
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| 09:41.48 | innociv | Ah. That makes sense. |
| 09:42.00 | innociv | Computers, man. Computers. |
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| 09:43.34 | innociv | Still made me change the process name in the config before it would monit it, which seems so weird. |
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| 10:02.03 | unLab-Hackbox10 | Hello I installed kde but I dont want it to autoboot to it just to the console as normal, I tried to change the runlevel to 3 as people were suggesting in searches but it was set to 2 not 5 before I changed it and it doesnt seem to stop it from starting |
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| 10:04.17 | wols | !nodm |
| 10:04.17 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 10:04.23 | wols | unLab-Hackbox10: see this |
| 10:05.46 | unLab-Hackbox10 | hmm |
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| 10:09.05 | unLab-Hackbox10 | thanks wols echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager that worked |
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| 10:31.07 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 10:31.16 | ws2k3 | when i try to install samba4 i get : http://pastebin.com/dTyWfb4J |
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| 10:34.12 | finnix | hi2all |
| 10:35.11 | finnix | is the way to have wine works with wheezy amd64? |
| 10:35.26 | finnix | i already tried multilib |
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| 10:36.08 | finnix | but no luck even if i install latest stable official nvidia driver (usin .run file) |
| 10:36.48 | finnix | any suggestions? |
| 10:38.41 | wols | we don't support nvidia.com drivers |
| 10:39.13 | wols | ws2k3: why don't you do what a helpful error message says? |
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| 10:41.30 | rdgw91 | Hello |
| 10:41.57 | ws2k3 | wols look at my pastebin |
| 10:42.09 | finnix | wine output here: http://pastebin.com/r61017qe |
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| 10:42.34 | wols | ws2k3: I did. question is: did you look at it? |
| 10:42.46 | finnix | wols: before official drivers i have same issue with drivers from repo |
| 10:42.47 | wols | ws2k3: like, have you read line 5? |
| 10:43.22 | finnix | i make so only for tests |
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| 10:44.27 | wols | finnix: what makes you think it's a driver problem? |
| 10:44.53 | finnix | because usual apps works without problems |
| 10:45.02 | rdgw91 | How do I trick the amd proprietary driver installer into thinking its on a different kernel, trying to install to a chroot |
| 10:45.56 | ompaul | rdgw91: is that not a question for ##amd or some such if it exists |
| 10:45.58 | wols | rdgw91: we only support drivers from debian repositories. ati installers break your package system which we don't support |
| 10:46.20 | ompaul | !ati |
| 10:46.20 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:46.31 | rdgw91 | The current radeon driver won't allow me to boot |
| 10:46.35 | wols | finnix: which apps? |
| 10:46.38 | finnix | wols: any other apps, which not need opengl, works |
| 10:46.50 | rdgw91 | It just goes to a staticy messy screen |
| 10:46.57 | finnix | one note |
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| 10:47.15 | wols | finnix: what other games have you tried? |
| 10:47.16 | finnix | it happens when i upgrade my wheezy system ~1 month ago |
| 10:47.34 | finnix | i can try quake3 |
| 10:47.39 | finnix | one moment |
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| 10:48.11 | wols | finnix: thing is, I don't see any opengl in backtrace or any other place pointing to it as the culprit. ie I doubt it's your drivers that are the problem |
| 10:48.28 | finnix | ok |
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| 10:48.47 | finnix | i will uninstall driver |
| 10:48.50 | wols | just HL simply crashes in half life code |
| 10:48.51 | finnix | and reinstall wine |
| 10:48.55 | wols | and uninstalling won't help either |
| 10:49.09 | wols | not if the driver doesn't show up as a problem |
| 10:49.38 | wols | neither will reinstalling the same WINE. possible a new WINE config might but the WINE binaries certainly won't change |
| 10:49.43 | rdgw91 | What does 'drm: registered panic notifier' mean in the messages log |
| 10:50.14 | wols | sound like an exception handler that got registered |
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| 10:51.53 | rdgw91 | It happens right after its working with the framebuffer, right before the screen gets ugly |
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| 10:52.31 | wols | which driver is it exactly? |
| 10:52.43 | wols | and what is your actual hardware |
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| 10:54.12 | rdgw91 | Its an ati radeon on a netbook, don't know where the actual driver is |
| 10:55.22 | rdgw91 | Can't find it in the modules |
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| 10:57.45 | wols | debian by default uses the radeon driver. so again: what hardware is it? |
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| 10:58.42 | finnix | wols: works |
| 10:58.49 | finnix | it is hl issue |
| 10:59.09 | finnix | i tried to run quake3 under wine |
| 10:59.24 | finnix | and can play without problems |
| 10:59.40 | wols | finnix: the winehq appdb for HL then |
| 10:59.46 | finnix | ok |
| 10:59.49 | finnix | thanks |
| 10:59.55 | finnix | have nice day |
| 11:00.07 | wols | tho, the lack of useful info in your paste means the chanec is low to get it to work :( |
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| 11:00.21 | wols | it doesn't say anywhere what could be wrong, just a crash :( |
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| 11:02.40 | rdgw91 | wols its the radeon HD 6250 |
| 11:02.56 | wols | rdgw91: and which debian version? |
| 11:03.26 | rdgw91 | I'm trying sid but I'm not sure its supposed to work |
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| 11:04.23 | wols | sid is always tricky, yes. but unlike squeeze it would uspport your videochip |
| 11:04.42 | wols | so you get your garbage on screen already when you boot the kernel, not just when you run X right? |
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| 11:05.25 | rdgw91 | Its after booting the kernel, when the console fonts change |
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| 11:06.23 | wols | !kms |
| 11:06.23 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 11:06.29 | wols | disable kms then |
| 11:06.43 | wols | and use the debian fglrx drivers, NOT the amd.com ones |
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| 11:07.26 | AndChat|656304 | Sorry, got dc'd |
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| 11:08.14 | finnix | wols: also other question |
| 11:08.28 | finnix | about samba4 in experimental |
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| 11:09.31 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 11:09.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 11:10.03 | finnix | i see |
| 11:10.13 | wols | just ask, we can still ignore you |
| 11:10.18 | ompaul | haha |
| 11:10.18 | wols | if we don't like the question that is |
| 11:10.35 | finnix | can i help to move packages from experimental to testing or stable? |
| 11:10.41 | ompaul | ,versions samba |
| 11:10.43 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.6.6-3; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-3; experimental: 2:3.6.9-1 |
| 11:10.52 | lord_rob | finnix: go to #debian-next (irc.debian.org) |
| 11:10.52 | ompaul | ,versions samba4 |
| 11:10.54 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; experimental: 4.0.0~rc6+dfsg1-1 |
| 11:10.57 | finnix | i ask about debian4 |
| 11:11.01 | wols | finnix: you can do bugreports, can do patches, etc. |
| 11:11.07 | finnix | ok |
| 11:11.14 | finnix | lord_rob: thanks |
| 11:11.33 | finnix | i will ask it |
| 11:11.33 | rdgw91 | Is there a way to disable the driver the kernel's attempting to use? |
| 11:11.35 | wols | finnix: but it would go to sid first, and right now testing is frozen. so anything in experimental gets to be in testing after wheezy is released at the earliest. |
| 11:11.39 | ompaul | finnix: the right way to install is apt-get install samba4 and whatever other stuff you want in wheezy sid or whatever |
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| 11:12.19 | wols | rdgw91: yes, you blacklist it /msg dpkg blacklist also the /msg dpkg kms snippet I gave you earlier, which tells you all that you need |
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| 11:12.46 | rdgw91 | Okay, didn't catch that when I pinged out |
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| 11:13.34 | finnix | ompaul: i can't do it, because maintainer clip out some necessary tools from package |
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| 11:15.00 | boudiccas | finnisare you using Debian 4? if so, thats outdated and EOL, so you need to upgrade to squeeze at least |
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| 11:15.53 | boudiccas | finnix: are you using Debian 4? if so, thats outdated and EOL, so you need to upgrade to squeeze at least |
| 11:15.57 | finnix | no |
| 11:16.01 | lord_rob | Debian is about freedom, he can keep the version he want :p |
| 11:16.06 | finnix | debian 6 with latest security updates |
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| 11:16.42 | boudiccas | finnix: this is what you said at 110 GMT <finnix> i ask about debian4 |
| 11:16.49 | finnix | i make temporary build with checkinstall |
| 11:17.04 | finnix | boudiccas: sorry, my mistype |
| 11:17.16 | finnix | i mean samba4 |
| 11:17.19 | finnix | not debian4 |
| 11:17.24 | boudiccas | ah right |
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| 11:17.53 | finnix | ok |
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| 11:18.34 | finnix | thanks for help |
| 11:18.39 | finnix | have nice day! |
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| 11:31.32 | diverdude_ | is grub v. 1.98 version 1 or 2 of grub? |
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| 11:34.02 | kanliot | diverdude_, it's version 2 beta. it doesnt ahve all the featurs of v2 |
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| 11:45.05 | rdgw91 | Any way for broadcom wlan to work on Debian? |
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| 11:45.44 | rdgw91 | Can't find any packages for it in aptitude |
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| 11:48.00 | Azrael_- | rdgw91: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 11:48.15 | Azrael_- | first hit of google |
| 11:49.07 | p0g0 | rdgw91: see #linux-wireless |
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| 12:07.48 | wols | partman IIRC |
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| 12:33.58 | diverdude_ | Is this a correct way ofd installing grub? 1. create a 20MiB partition. 2. tell this partition it has type grub. 3. use grub-install to install grub. |
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| 12:37.14 | babilen | diverdude_: You would typically install grub into the MBR (e.g. "grub-install /dev/sda") and not a partition |
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| 12:38.58 | wols | diverdude_: and parition have never a "type grub". pretty much all your points are bogus there |
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| 13:01.01 | entityboss | Hello. I have a fresh Debian Squeeze install, with lxde, the problem is USB drive isn't running in any way... |
| 13:01.46 | entityboss | it seems like it isn't in lsusb |
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| 13:04.39 | entityboss | I was wrong; it is in lsusb, the file manager doesn't show anything though |
| 13:04.50 | sussudio | entityboss: custom kernel or installed through dpkg |
| 13:05.12 | sussudio | did you even mount it... |
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| 13:07.23 | wols | automount |
| 13:07.25 | wols | !automount |
| 13:07.25 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 13:16.09 | furycd001 | HI guys I'm looking to try out WIND wm (http://windwm.sourceforge.net/) on my debian minimal install but i cant seem to get it installed. Once i extract the files i ned to cd into it via terminal & type the following 3 commands ./configure -then- make -then- make install. The first command works but the 2nd two just give me an error message… …Any ideas :? |
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| 13:50.26 | MrLaminar | hi everyone |
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| 13:51.14 | MrLaminar | I press the power button on my desktop PC running squeeze. Which script gets triggered to initiate a halt? |
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| 13:57.42 | HelenB_ | Loopback no worky. :( |
| 13:59.38 | MrLaminar | which script gets triggered to initiate a halt when I press the power button? |
| 13:59.43 | MrLaminar | (on squeeze) |
| 14:00.02 | HelenB_ | lol |
| 14:00.06 | HelenB_ | that's ACPI |
| 14:00.13 | phogg | probably none |
| 14:00.18 | HelenB_ | but if you was to stop it doesn't anything... |
| 14:00.28 | HelenB_ | when you hold it your hardware would do the halt instead |
| 14:00.35 | MrLaminar | yeah, I don't want to force a halt |
| 14:00.43 | MrLaminar | I want to bind a script to run when I press the power button |
| 14:00.45 | MrLaminar | and then shutdown |
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| 14:03.14 | phogg | MrLaminar: try http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ACPI/Configuration#Power |
| 14:04.02 | HelenB_ | I always wanted to disable the power button so that unauthorised people couldn't power down my system but always knew I couldn't without modding hardware. |
| 14:04.17 | MrLaminar | thanks phogg! |
| 14:04.32 | phogg | HelenB_: disabling "hold for 3 seconds is shutdown" is probably impossible without altering the BIOS |
| 14:04.45 | blackness | does anyone got A guide on how to boot a livecd.iso from grub2? |
| 14:04.48 | phogg | HelenB_: but changing the behavior of acpi reset is doable |
| 14:04.50 | HelenB_ | phogg: I know :( |
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| 14:05.17 | phogg | HelenB_: actually, I take it back; you can do it by just disconnecting the power cable from the mother board |
| 14:05.23 | blackness | a debian cd that is. |
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| 14:06.00 | MrLaminar | ok, so /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support references a script /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh to run when power button is pressed once |
| 14:06.06 | phogg | HelenB_: on most non-laptop systems there are two wires that run from the power button: one is marked reset, the other power. If you don't plug them in then the power button does nothing. |
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| 14:06.24 | HelenB_ | phogg: haha |
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| 14:06.38 | HelenB_ | Messy hack cause... |
| 14:06.41 | phogg | MrLaminar: I really don't know, and gentoo was just the first hit on google; this was just to show it could be done |
| 14:06.48 | HelenB_ | You can't boot up your system then. |
| 14:07.06 | phogg | HelenB_: especially since you'd still haev to physically secure the power cord running to the PSU |
| 14:07.09 | HelenB_ | but you can do that on a laptop too only you'd need soldering skills to reapply again. |
| 14:08.01 | phogg | HelenB_: get a piece of metal with a rubber handle (e.g. screwdriver) and touch the pins that should have been connected to reset; power on! No problem. |
| 14:08.25 | HelenB_ | I'm on about on laptops tho |
| 14:08.40 | HelenB_ | as I bring one in college and I'm sick of students pressing things back my back. |
| 14:08.50 | phogg | ah, well in the end if you have physical possession you can do whatever you want |
| 14:09.00 | HelenB_ | Once one did Ctrl+Alt+Del |
| 14:09.08 | HelenB_ | my whole damn system restarted :/ |
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| 14:09.20 | phogg | I always disable that |
| 14:09.37 | HelenB_ | phogg: Mind guiding me on how to disable it? |
| 14:09.55 | HelenB_ | I've had em pressing the power button, pressing escape, etc |
| 14:10.17 | HelenB_ | I've even had em terminate a damn browser session while I turned away for a split second. |
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| 14:14.50 | mattborn | is there any way to substitute ALSA with jackd? |
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| 14:15.36 | HelenB_ | phogg: I need a loopback driver. :/ |
| 14:16.52 | phogg | HelenB_: Sorry, my wireless dropped; did you get my answer? |
| 14:18.32 | HelenB_ | phogg: No. |
| 14:19.09 | phogg | HelenB_: edit /etc/inittab and just comment out the line, or change the command, that references ctrlaltdel |
| 14:19.25 | phogg | iwlwifi is so flaky on this laptop... |
| 14:19.26 | HelenB_ | okies :3 |
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| 14:20.23 | diverdude_ | Hello, how do i remove partition table and all partitions from a /dev/sdc device using parted? |
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| 14:21.10 | aguitel | gparted |
| 14:21.26 | HelenB_ | phogg: Mind teamviewing me? |
| 14:21.33 | mattborn | by creating a new partition table maybe? |
| 14:21.37 | HelenB_ | For months I've been battling a loopback error. :/ |
| 14:21.38 | phogg | HelenB_: wouldn't know how |
| 14:22.13 | HelenB_ | phogg: I need someone to look for the problem for me as I haven't been able to find it myself nor has support helped. |
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| 14:22.24 | phogg | diverdude_: destroying is easy! /dev/zero is your friend |
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| 14:23.07 | phogg | HelenB_: I only have a rudimentary understanding of networking, so I am probably not your best bet. |
| 14:23.30 | diverdude_ | phogg: can you please elaborate? |
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| 14:24.04 | phogg | diverdude_: I was being flippant, but in fact cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdc will (eventually) result in a disk with no useful data on it. |
| 14:24.41 | diverdude_ | phogg: eventually? why cant i just use parted to wipe it? |
| 14:25.27 | phogg | diverdude_: you can, of course |
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| 14:26.09 | HelenB_ | diverdude_: Wouldn't /dev/zero be prefered?! O.o |
| 14:26.17 | phogg | diverdude_: eventually because it actually has to write to every part of the disk, which will be slower the larger the disk is. Intelligently removing the partition table is a lot faster. |
| 14:26.18 | HelenB_ | It does wipe it. |
| 14:26.43 | HelenB_ | It zeros the drive |
| 14:27.01 | phogg | depends on what you're doing. Few people actually will require anything that drastic |
| 14:27.20 | phogg | and those who do really want to use /dev/random instead |
| 14:27.40 | dcherniv | /dev/random is slooooww |
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| 14:28.01 | HelenB_ | phogg: Like... |
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| 14:28.14 | diverdude_ | phogg: i just used mklabel inside parted...to overwrite it....that seemed to work |
| 14:28.14 | HelenB_ | if they had a child porn raid and the police found out? |
| 14:29.12 | HelenB_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.17 | diverdude_ | how do i see on which partition is located then?` |
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| 14:32.23 | HelenB_ | I'm annoyed. :/ |
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| 14:40.53 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:42.09 | diverdude_ | how do i see on which partition the grubloader is located on? |
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| 14:45.51 | movl | diverdude_, sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | od -a | grep G |
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| 14:46.24 | movl | if not, sda1, sda2, etc |
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| 14:53.26 | zzorg | New to squeeze net install on old machine; In expert mode, it did not prompt me to create root or user account. I tried the "init=/bin/bash" trick and I am still getting login prompt....thanks |
| 14:53.35 | jandro | Hi. I'm installing Debian Squeeze with a Raid 1 with LVM volumes in it over two 250GB hdd's. My question is whether I need to set up the Raid partition on each volume as a physical or logical partition. Is it relevant? thanks |
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| 14:54.11 | nmschulte | jandro: you should have LFM over RAID, not RAID over LVM. |
| 14:54.22 | vravlzd | how to get scroll works? |
| 14:54.22 | nmschulte | s/LFM/LVM/ |
| 14:54.40 | jandro | nmschulte: yes, that's what I meant, sorry |
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| 14:54.51 | nmschulte | jandro: Then I don't understand your question. |
| 14:54.53 | [TheFlash] | hi |
| 14:55.04 | [TheFlash] | i have a question about debian stable |
| 14:55.07 | eptalon | jandro: last I checked you cannot boot from lvm+raid |
| 14:55.24 | eptalon | !tell [TheFlash] about ask |
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| 14:55.44 | Azrael_- | eptalon: you can as long as the boot-partition is on a raid-partition without lvm |
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| 14:56.05 | jandro | nmschulte: ok, what I want to do is Raid1+lvm within. What I meant is whether I have to set up the Raid partitions as physical or logical. |
| 14:56.07 | nmschulte | eptalon: jandro: that's a good point; yeah, you just need grub and the bootbits to be outside of lvm. |
| 14:56.09 | [TheFlash] | are the packages in the stable repository secure? |
| 14:56.18 | Azrael_- | eptalon: i normally put the boot-partition on a raid1 and the rest in another partition with lvm where the root is located |
| 14:56.26 | [TheFlash] | by that, i mean, do the packages have the latest security patches? |
| 14:56.36 | nmschulte | jandro: i think "physical vs logical" is an LVM notion, and that's where I'm confused. |
| 14:56.51 | eptalon | [TheFlash]: stable gets security updates, yes. |
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| 14:57.38 | nmschulte | jandro: your block devices get a partition type of "linux raid autodetect" |
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| 14:58.11 | nmschulte | then you setup mdadm and device mapper, then you partition your /dev/mapper/mdadm_mapped_raid_block_device with lvm. |
| 14:58.12 | [TheFlash] | i know that pidgin 2.7.3 on my fully-patched stable system is still vulnerabile to CVE-2011-4602 |
| 14:58.23 | [TheFlash] | *vulnerable |
| 14:58.58 | eptalon | have you updated stable since? |
| 14:59.09 | [TheFlash] | eptalon: of course, it's up-to-date |
| 14:59.10 | eptalon | perhaps there is no patch yet. |
| 14:59.21 | nmschulte | [TheFlash]: that could be due to lots of things; 1, it never got the patch. 2, the patch was incorrect. 3, you discovered another vulnerability. |
| 14:59.33 | [TheFlash] | eptalon: it's fixed in upstream version 2.10.1 |
| 14:59.47 | nmschulte | [TheFlash]: is it fixed in 2.7.3 as packaged in debian stable repo? |
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| 14:59.58 | [TheFlash] | nmschulte: apparently not |
| 15:00.08 | jandro | nmschulte: I think what I meant is whether the partition type for Raid should be a primary vs logical, not physical vs logical. Does that make more sense? |
| 15:00.20 | nmschulte | jandro: perfect, yep! doesn't matter, :) |
| 15:00.36 | nmschulte | jandro: if it's the only partition, or you'll never use more than four, just make it primary. |
| 15:00.37 | Azrael_- | 2 primary partitions are enough. the first one for boot and the rest for an lvm |
| 15:01.05 | nmschulte | jandro: sounds like your using MBR partition too. note that there are alternatives, but they may or may not work in your situation. |
| 15:01.14 | HelenB_ | Couldn't connect to MPD (host = /home/helena/.mpd/socket, port = 6600): Connection refused |
| 15:01.17 | [TheFlash] | nmschulte: as soon as XMPP jingle initializes, it segfaults |
| 15:01.27 | HelenB_ | I'm trying to configure MPD and ncmpcpp to use sockets. |
| 15:01.31 | jandro | nmschulte: well, there will be indeed two, since I'm setting the boot partition at the beginning separately. Is correct what I'm doing? |
| 15:01.34 | HelenB_ | As you can see I failed. |
| 15:01.45 | [TheFlash] | nmschulte: i'll make a core dump next time it happens |
| 15:01.49 | nmschulte | jandro: you could even go with the whole drive as raid, and then on the raid leave some space for boot. GRUB can manage MDADM raid I think; right guys? |
| 15:02.08 | nmschulte | jandro: Yeah, that ought to work just fine. |
| 15:02.32 | nmschulte | I mean, I know GRUB can do that, but idk if GRUB as packaged in Debian Stable can. |
| 15:02.50 | jandro | nmschulte: I understand, but I'm intending on encrypting the raid volume, so afaik the boot partition should be separated. Am I right? |
| 15:03.08 | nmschulte | jandro: Correct. Boot needs to be unenc. |
| 15:03.28 | jandro | nmschulte: ok, now all make sense :) thanks a lot!!! |
| 15:03.39 | HelenB_ | Help with sockets please? :/ |
| 15:03.55 | eptalon | [TheFlash]: 2.10.6-2 in testing |
| 15:04.54 | nmschulte | jandro: I have a similar setup; md0 raid1 is boot, md1 raid1 is used for /, and has dm-crypt setup, md2 is used for swap, and also has dm-crypt setup, but unlocks via a derived key of md1. |
| 15:05.44 | nmschulte | jandro: glad to help. |
| 15:06.02 | eptalon | my setup: boot partition is md0 (raid1), rest is on various lvm+raid5. |
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| 15:06.38 | jandro | nmschulte: interesting! let me ask… should my both boot partitions be configured as another raid volume? |
| 15:06.55 | diverdude_ | when i install debian, its installing grub 1.98. How do i upgrade that to 2.0? and how do i ensure that grub gets its own partition and debian its own partition? |
| 15:07.22 | [TheFlash] | diverdude: AFAIK grub 1.98 is grub2, not grub-legacy |
| 15:07.35 | jandro | nmschulte: I think I answered myself. I should have only one boot partition, whether is within a raid configuration or not, am i right? |
| 15:08.04 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: create a seperate partition for /boot, and mark that one as bootable |
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| 15:08.31 | diverdude_ | [TheFlash]: how do i do that`? |
| 15:08.48 | jandro | nmschulte: and… will I benefit from having the swap partition, or swap raid configuration, outside the raid volume? |
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| 15:09.25 | jandro | nmschulte: as you said that, I thought there might be a reason for doing that |
| 15:09.29 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: the debian installer lets you configure partitions |
| 15:09.29 | nmschulte | jandro: having swap encrypted will cause issues with suspend. |
| 15:09.46 | nmschulte | I have my boot bits as raid because I wanted it symmetrical. |
| 15:10.08 | nmschulte | I've installed GRUB stage0/1 to both drives in the raid, so I can BIOS boot either. |
| 15:10.39 | nmschulte | I made it RAID1 because again, I wanted the drives symmetrical, and otherwise, the symmetrical space on the other drive is unused. |
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| 15:11.10 | nmschulte | as for swap on raid; it doesn't really matter. you'll get the integrity check of RAID1. |
| 15:11.16 | jandro | nmschulte: you want them symmetrical in case one fails you can boot with the other one as if nothing had happened, right? |
| 15:11.21 | nmschulte | yep yep. |
| 15:11.39 | nmschulte | in fact, I've never had two drives in my raid1s, because the first drive failed immediately. |
| 15:12.08 | jandro | nmschulte: shit happens :) |
| 15:12.26 | nmschulte | it was beginning to fail as raid0, I tried to recover and screwed up (was using fake-raid...), so then I redid it all with raid1, and the drive was dead. |
| 15:12.43 | nmschulte | no fake-raide anymore either. screw that noise. |
| 15:13.23 | nmschulte | in principle I'm fine with it, but being proprietary, NVIDIA doesn't have any tools to help with recovery when things go haywire. |
| 15:13.31 | [TheFlash] | also, the package youtube-dl in stable is useless, as it no longer works |
| 15:14.08 | nmschulte | [TheFlash]: It's not useless; it probably serves as a good starting point for making it work with the latest youtube changes. |
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| 15:14.57 | [TheFlash] | nmschulte: i know, but shouldn't it receive an update? after all, "not working" is considered a "critical bug", right? |
| 15:15.07 | jandro | nmschulte: let me ask you one last thing, I plan on having the server on Wake On Lan at times, since I won't be using it constantly, so… what you said about the suspend issues if swap encrypted left me intrigued. Are there ways to circumvent that or it is well known issues will happen? |
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| 15:16.03 | diverdude_ | [TheFlash]: so i choose "use as" -> reserved BIOS boot area ? |
| 15:16.04 | nmschulte | [TheFlash]: I don't know the Debian policy for those situations. The software executes just fine, but the service it interops with has changed. |
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| 15:16.57 | nmschulte | jandro: I'm not sure what the question is. I suspend my machine often (and resume there from) without issues, and my / and swap are both encrypted. |
| 15:17.08 | nmschulte | Does that answer it? |
| 15:17.39 | nmschulte | Re: Wake On Lan... you'll need some way to give the passphrase to decrypt at boot. |
| 15:17.40 | jandro | nmschulte: aaaah I got it, you mean hibernation before (suspend to disk) not normal RAM suspension |
| 15:17.50 | nmschulte | Not sure how, if it's possible, to provide that via WOL magic packets or anything. |
| 15:17.53 | HelenB_ | I'm struggling to create another partition on my hard drive with gparted because my hard drive is in use by my OS. How can I do this? |
| 15:18.09 | HelenB_ | I need to reinstall my system but I want to backup my stuff. :/ |
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| 15:18.20 | nmschulte | jandro: Yes, apologies for not clarifying. |
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| 15:18.47 | nmschulte | HelenB_: I assume what happened is you plugged in the drive, GNOME automatically mounted it for you. |
| 15:19.01 | nmschulte | You need to either eject it via GNOME, or unmount it via the command line or similar. |
| 15:19.01 | HelenB_ | I don't have GNOME. |
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| 15:19.11 | HelenB_ | I can't unmount it |
| 15:19.15 | HelenB_ | It's in use by the OS. |
| 15:19.17 | nmschulte | Then that's a problem. |
| 15:19.32 | nmschulte | Did you boot via a live cd or something then? |
| 15:19.39 | HelenB_ | lol no nmschulte |
| 15:19.50 | nmschulte | Then why can't you unmount it? |
| 15:19.50 | HelenB_ | I don't have a disc drive |
| 15:19.52 | jandro | nmschulte: also, you said the swap unlock key was delivered from the md1 root partition, is that easy to implement? |
| 15:20.00 | HelenB_ | I can't unmount it cause I said why |
| 15:20.06 | HelenB_ | the OS is using it! |
| 15:20.08 | jandro | nmschulte: can you maybe point at some tutorial/howto for me? |
| 15:20.15 | HelenB_ | The OS is installed onto it |
| 15:20.19 | nmschulte | jandro: Yeah, it was fairly straightforward. I searched google for it, I'll see if I can dig it up. |
| 15:20.30 | HelenB_ | and the partition is using the whole drive so I can't resize the partition |
| 15:20.32 | nmschulte | HelenB_: Well, there's your problem. |
| 15:20.37 | HelenB_ | Duh |
| 15:20.39 | jandro | nmschulte: thanks! |
| 15:20.43 | HelenB_ | but how do I fix it? |
| 15:20.57 | nmschulte | HelenB_: You need to boot from a different file system. |
| 15:21.06 | nmschulte | Like a Live CD ("disc") or similar. |
| 15:21.08 | HelenB_ | I'm stuck with a debian installation pendrive nmschulte |
| 15:21.15 | nmschulte | You can use the debian install image to do it too. |
| 15:21.22 | HelenB_ | How? |
| 15:21.34 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: no, it should be the boot partition where the bootloader is |
| 15:21.39 | nmschulte | Which version of the installer do you have? |
| 15:21.44 | HelenB_ | I only want to move my home dir to another partition |
| 15:21.54 | HelenB_ | nmschulte: Should be the squeeze one. |
| 15:22.16 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: you might want to take a look at the installation guide |
| 15:22.29 | nmschulte | jandro: I referred to this one quite a bit: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
| 15:22.32 | dvs | HelenB_: netinstal? CD-1? .. |
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| 15:22.51 | nmschulte | dvs: take over; I've got to run. thanks! |
| 15:22.52 | HelenB_ | I don't have a disc drive |
| 15:22.57 | HelenB_ | as I said before |
| 15:23.02 | HelenB_ | netinstall |
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| 15:24.41 | HelenB_ | nmschulte: I have the netinstall |
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| 15:25.19 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: you can choose to configure partitions manually in the installer |
| 15:25.27 | HelenB_ | :/ |
| 15:25.31 | HelenB_ | FINE |
| 15:25.33 | HelenB_ | brb |
| 15:25.50 | diverdude_ | [TheFlash]: link? |
| 15:25.54 | jandro | nmschulte: thanks! what's the reason you put the swap outside the the md1 if I may ask? |
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| 15:26.12 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en |
| 15:26.47 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: that's for the 32-bit version |
| 15:27.14 | [TheFlash] | diverdude_: if you are installing the 64-bit version, try http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en instead |
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| 15:28.18 | nmschulte | jandro: I put it outside because in order to put it inside I would have had to setup a swap file. I am not using LVM |
| 15:29.14 | nmschulte | HelenB_: You can't simply use the installer's setup to "repartition" your drive. It will blow away your old partition table without resizing anything. You will lose data. |
| 15:29.53 | nmschulte | Off hand, I can't give you instructions on how to do this with the netinstall image; mainly because I'm unfamiliar with them, but also because you still haven't informed us of which version you want to use. |
| 15:30.13 | [TheFlash] | nmschulte: actually, you can choose to keep partitions in the installer, right? |
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| 15:30.35 | nmschulte | I would recommend you look at something like the ultimate boot cd, or gparted boot disc. As with the netinstall image, these can be made to work from removable USB media. |
| 15:30.45 | nmschulte | [TheFlash]: Sure, you can keep them, but HelenB_ needs to resize them. |
| 15:30.46 | HelenB_ | There is no option for partitioning from the installer. :/ |
| 15:30.51 | HelenB_ | Do you mean from a shell? |
| 15:31.07 | jandro | nmschulte: thanks a LOT for your help, I'll get my hands into it now. cheers! |
| 15:31.08 | nmschulte | HelenB_: Yes, you can get all invasive and do it from a shell from the installer. |
| 15:31.13 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: you can use gparted to do that |
| 15:31.26 | HelenB_ | [TheFlash]: No I can't |
| 15:31.28 | nmschulte | that's what I would do, but I would have to consult a reference for the specific commands. |
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| 15:31.34 | HelenB_ | unless it can be used from the installer |
| 15:31.41 | nmschulte | HelenB_: Yes you can, just not from the netinstall image, or from your installation. |
| 15:31.44 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: i'm sure there's a USB pen drive version of gparted |
| 15:31.51 | nmschulte | is out |
| 15:32.06 | HelenB_ | I don't want to be messing about |
| 15:32.16 | HelenB_ | I am scared I am going to mess things up. |
| 15:32.26 | HelenB_ | nmschulte: Please can you tell me what comands you use. |
| 15:32.39 | HelenB_ | Lets say I want to resize sda1 |
| 15:32.49 | HelenB_ | and then create a second partition |
| 15:32.58 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: well resizing partitions can be a dangerous operation, you might lose data if anything goes wrong |
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| 15:33.13 | HelenB_ | sighs |
| 15:33.20 | HelenB_ | [TheFlash]: I have no choice |
| 15:33.21 | jandro | Does anyone know what's the default encryption the Squeeze installer applies when selecting encrypted LVM volumes in the menu? |
| 15:33.28 | HelenB_ | I have no other medium big enough. |
| 15:33.37 | HelenB_ | My 1TB HDD packed in. |
| 15:33.51 | HelenB_ | My OS is failing |
| 15:34.01 | HelenB_ | and nobody here will help me fix it/knows how to fix it |
| 15:34.11 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: which OS is failing? debian? |
| 15:34.17 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 15:34.24 | HelenB_ | my deiban installation |
| 15:34.29 | HelenB_ | It's started to fail |
| 15:34.32 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: what isn't working? |
| 15:34.38 | HelenB_ | localhost |
| 15:34.45 | HelenB_ | but there is no sign of faults |
| 15:35.28 | EmleyMoor | HelenB_: What, exactly, is going wrong? |
| 15:35.30 | HelenB_ | people have seen my networking configs and found nothing everything is set right. |
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| 15:35.44 | HelenB_ | Pls can someone just teamview me? |
| 15:35.44 | LtL | HelenB_: localhost is vague and ambiguous |
| 15:35.49 | HelenB_ | This is headbanging |
| 15:35.54 | HelenB_ | for months it's pissed me off |
| 15:36.03 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_ probably means the loopback interface |
| 15:36.12 | HelenB_ | yes |
| 15:36.26 | LtL | HelenB_: ifup lo |
| 15:36.27 | HelenB_ | clearly I mean the loopback interface what else can localhost mean? |
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| 15:36.34 | esing | Hello |
| 15:36.39 | LtL | HelenB_: the box is localhost |
| 15:36.39 | HelenB_ | It's up LtL |
| 15:36.52 | HelenB_ | my stuff just wont connect to each other via localhost |
| 15:37.00 | HelenB_ | I get connection refused |
| 15:37.10 | esing | When installing scrapy on a debian squeez I get following error: error: Setup script exited with error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 |
| 15:37.10 | LtL | HelenB_: is the /etc/hosts file itact |
| 15:37.14 | EmleyMoor | HelenB_: What stuff is failing exactly? |
| 15:37.14 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: maybe there's no server process running |
| 15:37.16 | esing | What could be the reason? |
| 15:37.20 | HelenB_ | LtL: I know what localhost is |
| 15:37.22 | LtL | intact rather |
| 15:37.30 | HelenB_ | I know how to configure the networking on my system |
| 15:37.42 | HelenB_ | EmleyMoor: Idk |
| 15:37.47 | HelenB_ | I just get connection refused |
| 15:37.52 | LtL | HelenB_: localhost is an interface -and- the box itself |
| 15:38.01 | HelenB_ | LtL: I know |
| 15:38.04 | HelenB_ | stop telling me that |
| 15:38.06 | EmleyMoor | Yes, but what exactly are you trying to connect to? |
| 15:38.07 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: it's possible that this is happening because a service failed to start |
| 15:38.23 | tjiggi_fo | HelenB_, sounds like you don't need help from anyone here |
| 15:38.24 | HelenB_ | EmleyMoor: ncmpcpp to mpd and irssi to bitlbee and jack and alsa |
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| 15:38.28 | HelenB_ | all giving connection refused |
| 15:38.33 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: the localhost is working fine, but nothing is waiting for the connection |
| 15:38.51 | HelenB_ | [TheFlash]:[ |
| 15:38.52 | EmleyMoor | Right - is bitlbee actually running? |
| 15:38.58 | HelenB_ | That's where you're wrong. |
| 15:39.03 | musca | ,v python-scrapy |
| 15:39.05 | judd | Package: python-scrapy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8-3; sid: 0.14.4-1; wheezy: 0.14.4-1 |
| 15:39.05 | HelenB_ | EmleyMoor: Yep |
| 15:39.23 | HelenB_ | Pls can someone just teamview me? |
| 15:39.23 | EmleyMoor | HelenB_: Can you pastebin some proof? |
| 15:39.35 | [TheFlash] | HekenB_: try running "lsof -i" as root |
| 15:39.46 | esing | musca Oh I wrote it wrong? I should have written: easy_install python-scrapy? |
| 15:39.59 | musca | esing: did you install the package python-scrapy from the debian-repo? |
| 15:40.00 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: it should list your programs as "listening" on "localhost" |
| 15:40.07 | esing | musca No |
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| 15:40.16 | [TheFlash] | HelenB_: if it doesn't, then something isn't configured right |
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| 15:40.22 | esing | musca How do install that package, with apt-get? |
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| 15:41.32 | musca | well, i don't know scrapy, but but "apt-get install python-scrapy" should do the trick. |
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| 15:42.18 | esing | musca Once I installed python-scrapy with apt-get install I would not miss anything else since debian repo is the exact same installation as with easy_install just packed for debian right? |
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| 15:44.00 | musca | at least you can also remove it apt-get if it doesn't fit your needs |
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| 15:44.22 | esing | Ye you are right |
| 15:44.34 | esing | Thanks for your advices |
| 15:45.10 | esing | If I get my script working then I probably switch to linux |
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| 15:48.23 | blackness | Anyone feel like helping me setting up a menu entry to boot debian livecd from grub2? |
| 15:49.19 | HelenB_ | sudo cp /home/helena/* /media/data/helena isn't copying all my home dir to /media/data/helena |
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| 15:50.09 | Nach0z | HelenB_: what's it failing to copy? |
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| 15:50.29 | Nach0z | better to sudo cp /home/helena /media/data -r |
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| 15:50.38 | Nach0z | (needs the -r) |
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| 15:50.59 | HelenB_ | Nach0z: Nach0z Will that coppy it into a helena dir on the /media/data ? |
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| 15:51.49 | diverdude_ | I have made 2 partitions, 1 for grub and 1 for debian and marked the one for grub bootable.... but i have no idea if grub was actually installed on the partition i made for it...how do i find out about that? |
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| 15:54.27 | Nach0z | HelenB_: yes. The important part is the -r though, that makes it recursive so it'll handle directories |
| 15:54.37 | Nach0z | rather than just copying the top-level files |
| 15:54.42 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: you look in the first 32k of the partition. if it's empty, you didn't install grub |
| 15:54.55 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: how do i do that? |
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| 15:55.58 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: dd if=/dev/part of=/tmp/location bs=512 count=63; xxd /tmp/location | less |
| 15:56.24 | ManoftheSea | alternately, just run install-grub again. |
| 15:57.09 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: /tmp/location no such file or directory |
| 15:57.24 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: I can't help you then. |
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| 15:57.46 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: what should i insert instead of /tmp/location ? |
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| 15:57.52 | ManoftheSea | you should just try to re-install grub to the partition. Normally, you install to the MBR, though. |
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| 15:58.18 | ManoftheSea | are you trying to dual-boot? |
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| 15:58.33 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i think its installed to the MBR, but many claim its better to install it top its own partition |
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| 15:59.28 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: who are these "many"? Also, #grub. You may need to put the supporting files on its own partition: /boot, but you don't "install" there. |
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| 16:00.45 | GreyParrot | Hi, since dist-upgrade on wheezy I'm no longer able to start services, using systemd. I'm receiving the error message "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager." |
| 16:00.49 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: I read that in various forums....basically I want to run a raid system, so people suggest to raid the grub partition as well |
| 16:01.18 | Sanjuro | ive mounted a disk to a location, added access to it via smb.conf, can log into the server and view the shared folders, but when I go to actually open a file within the share it wont let me |
| 16:01.19 | GreyParrot | I have "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon -system" running... |
| 16:01.27 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: oh yeah, then you probably do need a grub partition, so that you have a /boot available to grub. |
| 16:02.12 | GreyParrot | it's a custom install. minimal Xserver installation as it is used as a xbmc media center? |
| 16:02.32 | GreyParrot | is dbus-launch only installed in a full install? |
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| 16:02.52 | GreyParrot | or is it no longer required? I cannot find it on the system? |
| 16:03.01 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: during the installation phase, debian says something like " I have noticed this is the only OS on the machine. Should i place grub in the MBR in the beginning of this partition <yes> <no>" I have pressed yes to that...should i then have pressed no, and it would have given me some option instead, where to install it? |
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| 16:03.21 | GreyParrot | suggestions where to look, what to [install|remove] ? |
| 16:03.21 | ManoftheSea | no, that's correct, diverdude_. you want to install to the MBR. |
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| 16:03.49 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: ,,, i see...but how do i then put it on its own partition? |
| 16:03.54 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: so, have you tried to boot? |
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| 16:05.16 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: yeah i have |
| 16:05.51 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: it boots just fine...but i dont think grub is booting from its own partition |
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| 16:06.14 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: and btw i got that other command you shoed me to work...it spits out a lot of garbage |
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| 16:09.43 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: if they're all zeros, you don't have grub installed there. |
| 16:09.55 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: so, if it's booting, what do you need to change? |
| 16:10.15 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i want it so that grub is installed in its own partition |
| 16:10.56 | ManoftheSea | Why? your system boots. What are you going to change to make it not boot? |
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| 16:11.33 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: because if i am running raid...as you said before its better to have grub on its own partition |
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| 16:11.50 | ManoftheSea | Are you currently running a raid? |
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| 16:12.11 | ManoftheSea | Are you adding one disk and making a raid out of only two disks? Or are you adding two disks? |
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| 16:15.18 | wols | diverdude_: you are wrong. if you run raid you need the /boot/grub/ files on a non raid partition. where the stage0 of grub is installed is irrelevant and the MBR is fine for that |
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| 16:18.05 | diverdude_ | wols: what if i have 4TB disks? I need GPT instead of MBR right? |
| 16:19.04 | wols | yes |
| 16:19.05 | ManoftheSea | Well, in that case, you need to know whether you are going to boot with BIOS or EFI, and if BIOS, you'll need a BIOS partition for grub to embed in |
| 16:19.34 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i have only a bios in my computer. i dont know what an efi is |
| 16:20.05 | ManoftheSea | ok. I'm not familiar with using GRUB on GPT through BIOS boot method. #grub is. |
| 16:20.11 | diverdude_ | do i need efi before i can boot from gpt? |
| 16:20.15 | ManoftheSea | no. |
| 16:20.42 | diverdude_ | so it is possible to boot from gpt via bios boot? |
| 16:20.49 | ManoftheSea | But again I ask... are you adding two 4 TB disks for your raid, or are you raiding the disk you already have booting? |
| 16:21.09 | GreyParrot | already any one around who has a bit experience debugging systemd on wheezy? (Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.) |
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| 16:21.38 | ManoftheSea | GreyParrot: sorry, I don't know |
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| 16:22.24 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i have 4x4TB disks. i installed debian on sda....i want to run make a raid1 for my debian (which is on a 100GB partition), a raid 1 for my grubloader(which i want to be on a 100MB partition) and a raid5 for the rest of the space |
| 16:22.44 | GreyParrot | suggestions on which channel I may find developpers ? it's probably a bug... |
| 16:24.45 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: does that make any sense? |
| 16:24.56 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: then you will need to replace your partition table on your already booting system with GPT. This will wipe out your installed partition. |
| 16:25.24 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i think its already gpt |
| 16:25.42 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: if i write printed inside parted it tells me sda is gpt partition table |
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| 16:27.03 | ManoftheSea | So, it sounds like you'll be using softRAID. I'd suggest not bothering to raid your grub partition. That means you'll have three disks without that 100 MB used. |
| 16:27.34 | ManoftheSea | As I understand it, you'll need a BIOS partition, as well as a seperate /boot partition for grub. |
| 16:27.51 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: well i wanted to raid1 my 100MB, so it should only be 2 disks with 100 MB used |
| 16:27.59 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: right? |
| 16:28.27 | ManoftheSea | I don't know why you'd do that. It's mostly grub that'd access there, you're adding a lot of complexity for not a lot of benefit. |
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| 16:28.38 | diverdude_ | i see |
| 16:29.03 | diverdude_ | so your suggestion is to not raid the grub partition? |
| 16:29.21 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: and yeah, using softraid with mdadm |
| 16:29.26 | tech_ | agreed. the benefit isn't worth the trouble |
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| 16:29.55 | diverdude_ | what if the disk containing the grub fails? |
| 16:30.01 | diverdude_ | and its not raided |
| 16:30.10 | diverdude_ | its gonna be big problems no?= |
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| 16:31.04 | tech_ | boot disk on a usb thumbdrive then? |
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| 16:31.15 | Nach0z | supergrub2disk |
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| 16:41.50 | mtn | GreyParrot, you might start by reading the Archlinux wiki on systemd. It sounds like systemd isn't starting correctly. |
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| 16:44.19 | bluesm | why if I created user " adduser" and set password "passwd" |
| 16:44.31 | bluesm | The default, shell was, /bin/sh not /bin/bash ? |
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| 16:51.27 | zykotick9 | bluesm: you didn't use "adduser" you used "useradd" (and didn't specify the shell to use) |
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| 16:51.52 | diverdude_ | so if i want to create a partion where i want to install grub, what type of fs should i select for the partition? |
| 16:52.20 | bluesm | zykotick9: So default is /bin/sh always ? |
| 16:52.39 | zykotick9 | bluesm: for useradd yes, for adduser no. |
| 16:52.42 | ManoftheSea | There's the BIOS partition where the bootloader embeds without a filesystem, and the /boot which can be ext where /boot/grub lives |
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| 16:53.48 | bluesm | zykotick9: adduser , is more complex command. Set up groups and so on right ? |
| 16:54.23 | zykotick9 | bluesm: less complex command, more userfriendly. but yes, it sets more "defaults". useradd requires YOU to set them. |
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| 16:57.02 | raptor67782 | hi how to convert several files *.pnm to *.jpg with keeping the filename (just change of extension)? |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | rename |
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| 16:57.50 | petemc | that wont convert, as such |
| 16:58.14 | abrotman | oh, right, he wants 'convert' i suppose |
| 16:58.18 | petemc | imagemagick convert will |
| 16:58.23 | petemc | yz |
| 16:58.54 | zykotick9 | i just wonder what a pnm image is |
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| 16:59.20 | petemc | "The PNM format is just an abstraction of the PBM, PGM, and PPM formats. I.e. the name "PNM" refers collectively to PBM, PGM, and PPM." |
| 17:00.35 | somiaj | raptor67782: if it is an format imagemagick will convert I use a script simlar to this alot. 'for i in *.pnm; do convert $i $i.jpg; done' not your fiels are named filename.pnm.jpg but you can use rename to get rid of the .pnm quickly at the end |
| 17:01.47 | zykotick9 | raptor67782: using basename you could potential skip the requirement for renaming after, but please don't ask me how ;) |
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| 17:02.30 | somiaj | zykotick9: yea but basename by default won't, you need to tell it to also remove the .pnm at the end of the file, basename by default only takes away the additional directories in the name. |
| 17:02.34 | GreyParrot | mtn: seems the dist-upgrade install sysvinit (thus removed systemd-sysv)? also haven't figured out how systemd-fsck handles filesystems? originally I had /tmp on tmpfs? |
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| 17:02.44 | somiaj | basename -s .pnm foo should do it |
| 17:03.25 | Wyzard | raptor67782: for pnmfile in *.pnm; do base=$(basename "$pnmfile" .pnm); jpgfile="${base}.jpg"; convert "$pnmfile" "$jpgfile"; done |
| 17:03.26 | mtn | GreyParrot, sorry, I don't know. I was hoping the wiki would point you in the right direction. |
| 17:04.48 | petemc | raptor67782: mogrify -format jpg *.pnm might do the trick, just do rm *.pnm afterwards |
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| 17:10.12 | Hoall | Hey guys, i have a really crasy problem. I get following message on my system (a raspberry pi running raspbian os - debian based): aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6: invalid ELF header |
| 17:10.15 | Hoall | Can anybody tell me how to fix this? |
| 17:10.29 | GreyParrot | mtn: yes? thanks |
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| 17:11.01 | Hoall | mtn? |
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| 17:12.50 | jelly-home | Hoall: you'll have to ask the raspbian people |
| 17:12.55 | jelly-home | !raspbian |
| 17:12.55 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:15.44 | Hoall | I also get following message when I run apt or aptitude :aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6: invalid ELF header |
| 17:16.05 | Hoall | and its not working and in this case I don't know how to fix it |
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| 17:22.04 | diverdude_ | apt-get install grub-pc/experimental cannot be found. how do i install that then? |
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| 17:22.23 | ManoftheSea | It's funny when people ask a question with "debian-based" in it. if we didn't recognize it, we couldn't help anyway |
| 17:22.35 | yhsdu | can one tell APT to install a random deb package's dependencies? |
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| 17:23.13 | petemc | yhsdu: you can run apt-get -f install after trying dpkg -i one the deb |
| 17:23.15 | somiaj | yhsdu: what gurantees that those random deb packages dependencies can even be made inyour sources.list? |
| 17:23.22 | ManoftheSea | diverdude_: what? |
| 17:23.37 | ManoftheSea | experimental? |
| 17:23.39 | Arrowmaster | yhsdu: if you are installing a .deb youve downloading you can use gdebi to install it and its dependencies |
| 17:23.41 | ManoftheSea | why? |
| 17:23.46 | diverdude_ | ManoftheSea: i want grub2 |
| 17:23.48 | diverdude_ | 2.0 |
| 17:23.57 | yhsdu | thanks |
| 17:24.09 | ManoftheSea | is that in experimental? thought it was beta4 |
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| 17:24.32 | ManoftheSea | I use 2.0, compiled myself. |
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| 17:25.04 | somiaj | yhsdu: but yes provided you can actually meet the dependencies in your version of debian, petemc's method is how I do it as well. I would make sure your .deb you have is somewhat trusted to be installable on your version of debian first. |
| 17:25.28 | neil__ | I am trying to figure out a route table etc. ... I am using the ping command atm ... when I ping the computer from two different computer 1 works 1 does not ... the tcpdump on the destination shows icmp requests from both source computers ... but on replies to one of the source computers ... how can this be? surely any echo request should get a reply. |
| 17:25.49 | somiaj | diverdude_: what version of debian do you have? |
| 17:26.06 | petemc | neil__: what is the error of the one that does not work? |
| 17:26.06 | ManoftheSea | neil__: is one route a martian? |
| 17:26.16 | somiaj | diverdude_: if you are running wheezy or sid and have exerimental sources you can apt-get -t experimental grub-pc |
| 17:26.34 | somiaj | opps apt-get -t experimental install grub-pc |
| 17:26.36 | diverdude_ | somiaj: i think its squeeze |
| 17:26.52 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, martian? |
| 17:27.40 | somiaj | diverdude_: don't install experiemental packages in squeeze. Why do you want grub2 in squeeze, or what is wrong with the grub version given? |
| 17:27.45 | ManoftheSea | neil__: try traceroute |
| 17:28.04 | somiaj | diverdude_: you could try to backport it from experimental, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 17:28.07 | neil__ | petemc, ping returns no error. |
| 17:28.08 | ManoftheSea | diver wants raid support in grub |
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| 17:28.26 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, traceroute keeps show "* * *" |
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| 17:28.40 | somiaj | ahh, well in squeeze you will have to compile it yourself, either backport it from the debian experimental sources or get the upstream source |
| 17:28.43 | ManoftheSea | then nothing can reply to that host |
| 17:29.23 | ManoftheSea | neil__: provide more detail. ip numbers? |
| 17:29.37 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, I get that but the request gets to the destination and no reply is even attempted. |
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| 17:30.10 | ManoftheSea | because it is a wrong route to the source |
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| 17:30.36 | ManoftheSea | neil__: I believe your source IP is wrong for whatever reason |
| 17:31.35 | ManoftheSea | for example, if 127.0.0.1 were pinging 8.8.8.8, it'd get there, but no reply would go out |
| 17:31.57 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, but tcpdump running on the destination is saying the is showing the request arriving... this is what has me puzzled atm. |
| 17:32.29 | ManoftheSea | neil__: you aren't understanding me. provide IPs. |
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| 17:34.25 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, the address that get answered is from 10.7.0.1 the one ignored is from 10.8.0.1 |
| 17:34.27 | babilen | diverdude_: Why do you need that particular version? |
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| 17:35.00 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, both are pinging 10.7.0.2 |
| 17:35.11 | ManoftheSea | neil__: does 10.7.0.2 have a /24 netmask? |
| 17:35.34 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, yes both networks |
| 17:35.41 | ManoftheSea | no gateway. |
| 17:35.53 | ManoftheSea | 10.7.0.2 doesn't know how to get to 10.8.x.x |
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| 17:36.46 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, yes... but why is it not attempting to do the reply to 10.8.x.x ? |
| 17:37.00 | ManoftheSea | because it DOESN'T KNOW HOW |
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| 17:39.50 | raptor67782 | somiaj: thank you very much !!! |
| 17:40.02 | raptor67782 | Wyzard: Thank you !! |
| 17:40.14 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, 10.7.0.2 can ping 10.8.0.101 but not 10.8.0.1 .... is how can it know it can't reach 10.8.0.1 to not even try. |
| 17:40.19 | abrotman | ah, remember when karma was a thing? :) |
| 17:40.32 | somiaj | abrotman: bot karma? |
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| 17:40.45 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 17:40.49 | abrotman | no one really uses it anymore |
| 17:40.52 | somiaj | did dpkg ever keep track of such a silly metric? |
| 17:41.08 | yhsdu | according to dpkg, I have neutral karma |
| 17:41.49 | ManoftheSea | neil__: you're gonna need to provide more info. what are the lan segments, what are the routing rules, how does this matter to debian |
| 17:41.54 | abrotman | dpkg: karma |
| 17:41.54 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 52 |
| 17:42.08 | ManoftheSea | abrotman++ |
| 17:42.12 | abrotman | sort of |
| 17:42.12 | somiaj | I'm neutral as well, (: |
| 17:42.25 | abrotman | right, hasn't been widely used in quite awhile |
| 17:43.01 | babilen | Most people wouldn't know that it exists and don't see it being used ... |
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| 17:43.11 | abrotman | dpkg: babilen++ |
| 17:43.22 | babilen | w00t! |
| 17:43.25 | somiaj | I always saw it as a popular contest metric. |
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| 17:43.43 | abrotman | popularity you mean? |
| 17:43.50 | somiaj | yea |
| 17:43.58 | `jpi | hi anyone help me running debian on iPhone 5 ? |
| 17:43.59 | ManoftheSea | offtopic? |
| 17:44.14 | abrotman | yes and no .. it's just not widely known anymore .. so we used to have random people that would do it because it was common all over |
| 17:44.20 | abrotman | `jpi: have oyu asked Apple? |
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| 17:44.29 | ManoftheSea | jp^: step one: dump the iphone. step 2, buy an n900. step 3: win |
| 17:44.31 | `jpi | abrotman: they referred this channel |
| 17:44.41 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 17:44.44 | `jpi | i asked a customer care rep |
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| 17:44.54 | `jpi | abrotman: god's honest truth |
| 17:44.56 | abrotman | no |
| 17:45.02 | `jpi | halp me now! |
| 17:45.13 | mtn | apple customer care, heh |
| 17:45.16 | SerithSerine | When I update/modify /etc/resolv.conf is there something I need to restart for changes to take effect or is it somehow automatic?? |
| 17:45.18 | ManoftheSea | `jpi-- |
| 17:45.34 | babilen | `jpi: I don't think that you are even allowed to run Debian on it and I am not aware of a single person who got that working. (in particular not in a way that allows you to still use it as a phone) -- I wouldn't waste any time on it and just by different hardware. |
| 17:45.38 | somiaj | SerithSerine: it should be automatic, though things like firefox kinda use their own cache and you may ahve to restart your browser |
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| 17:46.08 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: still not right, you need to address the bot somehow |
| 17:46.18 | `jpi | babilen: are you suggesting that people in this channel are inept ? |
| 17:46.18 | ManoftheSea | oh. :( |
| 17:46.26 | abrotman | babilen: he's trolling the channel |
| 17:46.39 | babilen | `jpi: No, not at all. Please play elsewhere, Thank you? |
| 17:46.40 | babilen | ! |
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| 17:46.58 | `jpi | fuck your self |
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| 17:47.04 | abrotman | see |
| 17:47.15 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, I have a network 10.8.0.0/24 connected to a VM running OpenVPN ... its interfaces are 10.8.0.101 and 10.7.0.1 ... connected to a remote computer @ 10.7.0.2 ... the VM can ping 10.7.0.2 successfully & any computer on the 10.8.0.0/24 network... any computer on the 10.8.0.0/24 network can ping 10.8.0.101 and 10.7.0.1 ... but none can successfully ping 10.7.0.2 ... I am trying to trace why ... and noticed the weird ICMP request/replies on 10.7.0.2 |
| 17:47.16 | neil__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.28 | SerithSerine | somiaj: does it work by looking at resolv.conf every time a connection is attempted or something then? |
| 17:48.52 | somiaj | SerithSerine: every time you request to turn a domain name into an IP, it goes though a sequence. first it looks in /etc/hosts, then it looks in /etc/resolv.conf to see what nameserver to ask (if there is one) |
| 17:49.24 | ManoftheSea | does 10.7.x know that 10.8.0.1 is reachable through 10.8.0.101? It sounds like 101 is the gateway to the 10.8.0.x network. |
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| 17:49.31 | somiaj | SerithSerine: so yes it will look at resolv.conf each time to ask it what nameserver to use. Though as I said some programs may have a local cache to speed things up and don't always look in that order (I have seen firefox do this) |
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| 17:52.31 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, 10.7.0.2 has a route entry "10.8.0.0 10.7.0.2 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tap0" |
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| 17:53.06 | Jaleks | which package do i have to dpkg-reconfigure to set 'no dead keys'? |
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| 17:53.50 | SerithSerine | somiaj: Thanks |
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| 17:54.28 | format_c | neil__, 10.7.0.2 is the host and at the same time the NH? |
| 17:54.36 | format_c | That doesn't make much sense to me. |
| 17:55.17 | format_c | The Host with IP 10.7.0.2 has also the network 10.8.0.0/24 as a connected interface? tap1 maybe? |
| 17:55.21 | neil__ | format_c, the VPN host is 10.7.0.1 .... 10.7.0.2 is not a host |
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| 17:57.06 | neil__ | format_c, the VPN server has the interfaces 10.7.0.1 and 10.8.0.101 and can ping 10.7.0.1 |
| 17:57.16 | neil__ | format_c, the VPN server has the interfaces 10.7.0.1 and 10.8.0.101 and can ping 10.7.0.2 |
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| 17:57.35 | phix | http://mwomercs.com/ |
| 17:57.43 | format_c | neil__, OK |
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| 17:58.54 | format_c | so another host on the 10.8.0.0/24 network having 10.8.0.101 set as the NH for 10.7.0.0/24 can not ping 10.7.0.2 but any other host on 10.7.0.0/24? |
| 17:59.00 | format_c | understood now? |
| 17:59.24 | neil__ | format_c, but no other computer on the 10.8.0.0/24 network can... the VPN host as the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward set to '1' |
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| 18:01.08 | format_c | iptables on|off? |
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| 18:01.51 | neil__ | format_c, what is puzzling me is that tcpdump is showing "ICMP Request" packets but no "ICMP reply" packets are generated. |
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| 18:02.42 | ManoftheSea | do they know 101 is the gateway? |
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| 18:03.56 | format_c | is the destination MAC address for the ICMP request towards 10.7.0.x the MAC address of the interface with IP 10.8.0.101? |
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| 18:05.51 | eni | is there a tuto on configuring debian for laptops? (more precisely for lenovo laptops, thinkpads) |
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| 18:06.20 | babilen | eni: You can find a lot of information on thinkwiki.org |
| 18:06.22 | abrotman | to configure hwat? |
| 18:06.42 | babilen | eni: Most things just work out of the box though -- Do you have a problem with anything in particular? Which Thinkpad do you have? |
| 18:06.43 | format_c | eni, even in the debian wiki: http://www.google.com/url?url=http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad&rct=j&sa=U&ei=HdPEUNrrBdT34QTVg4DgBQ&ved=0CBYQFjAA&q=debian+wiki+thinkpad&usg=AFQjCNHpH1tpFXsg561UbTzB6TwB9ZhhJw |
| 18:06.49 | format_c | damn |
| 18:06.58 | format_c | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad |
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| 18:07.24 | eni | well I'm assuming that not everything will work.. in fact.. I have this idea which might actually be wrong that debian needs manual driver configurations to function well for laptops (unlike ubuntu with most laptops) |
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| 18:07.51 | eni | babilen: no problems, im thinking to buy a thinkpad t430s |
| 18:07.59 | neil__ | format_c, I don't know... but I just found out the that the ARP request on the VPN server 10.7.0.1 interface are not being sent out the 10.8.0.101 interface... and therefore are not getting answered. |
| 18:08.16 | ManoftheSea | eni, then use ubuntu and ask for help in #ubuntu |
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| 18:08.43 | babilen | eni: You'll need a newer kernel for that one (so either use the kmuto installer or install wheezy) and you need to supply firmware for some of the hardware. Apart from that I wouldn't expect any problems. I have a t420 and everything worked out of the box |
| 18:08.49 | ManoftheSea | neil__: seperate nets shouldn't forward ARP |
| 18:09.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell eni -about knuto |
| 18:09.04 | format_c | neil__, sounds like wronng netmask on the interface of either the sender or the receiver |
| 18:09.08 | eni | ManoftheSea: it has lots of stuff that i don't want, thats why i came to debian. ive used ubuntu for years. |
| 18:09.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell eni -about kmuto |
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| 18:09.41 | eni | thanks babilen |
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| 18:13.15 | neil__ | format_c, I have checked the netmask on all the interfaces and the route tables and all are set to 255.255.255.0 |
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| 18:14.26 | ManoftheSea | neil__: you should pastebin "ip addr" and "ip route" on all hosts involved |
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| 18:15.40 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, ok. |
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| 18:23.26 | babilen | eni: To be honest: I would personally install wheezy and use the beta4 installer with firmware to do so: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ -- But be advised that we haven't released wheezy yet and that it is still riddled with a number of rc bugs. (cf. "/msg dpkg rc bugs") |
| 18:24.09 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, format_c, see http://pastebin.com/Dkn3MSd3 |
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| 18:29.57 | ManoftheSea | neil__: what about output of "ping 10.7.0.1" from 10.8.0.101? |
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| 18:32.31 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, that is OK at "min/avg/max/mdev = 0.034/0.034/0.034/0.000 ms" ... but both of those interfaces are on the VPH server. |
| 18:32.50 | ManoftheSea | neil__: er, sorry, from 10.8.0.1 |
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| 18:32.59 | ManoftheSea | the reverse of your problem, right? |
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| 18:36.00 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, the ping of 10.7.0.1 from 10.8.0.1 works "min/avg/max/mdev = 1.369/1.473/1.619/0.106 ms" .... this doesn't try to go though to the remote computer @ 10.7.0.2 |
| 18:36.01 | D-Boy | Hello : i'm having this error with autossh since a few weeks, before the tunnel used to work like a charm, any idea what can cause that ? (the error : autossh[9293]: ssh exited prematurely with status 255; autossh exiting) |
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| 18:37.15 | ManoftheSea | neil__: what about output of "ping 10.7.0.2" from 10.8.0.101? |
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| 18:37.59 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, the ping of 10.7.0.2 doesn't print anything until a <ctrl>C .... "6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4999ms" |
| 18:39.03 | ManoftheSea | your problem was no reply when 7.0.2 pinged 8.0.1, right? |
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| 18:39.39 | ManoftheSea | And here, we see 8.0.1 trying to ping 7.0.2? So, what does 8.0.101 see on the eth interface? |
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| 18:40.05 | neil__ | yes! ... ping of 10.7.0.2 from the VPN server is "min/avg/max/mdev = 62.565/63.109/63.303/0.276 ms" |
| 18:41.00 | ManoftheSea | I got the numbers wrong again... |
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| 18:42.22 | ManoftheSea | 8-1 to 7-2, right? not the gw, but what does the gw see? |
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| 18:42.57 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, the VPN server eth0 ... "tcpdump -i eth0 icmp" ... is showing just the "ICMP requests" |
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| 18:44.26 | Armand | O_o |
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| 18:46.15 | ManoftheSea | i duuno |
| 18:46.16 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, the VPN server eth0 ... "tcpdump -i tap_openvpn icmp" ... shows exactly the same thing |
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| 18:48.52 | JC` | hello, all. i just recently installed libpam-otpw (one time passwords). do any PAM aficionados know if it's bad practice to include "auth sufficient pam_otpw.so" above the "@include common-auth" in /etc/pam.d/sshd? |
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| 18:49.43 | ManoftheSea | jc seems correct |
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| 18:52.04 | JC` | ManoftheSea: thanks :) |
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| 18:52.37 | JC` | it's only a shame that otpw uses random OTPs versus a sequence, it means i can't really use it with imap and webmail :-( |
| 18:53.50 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, I am getting on the lo interface "10.7.0.2 > 10.7.0.2: ICMP host 10.8.0.1 unreachable, length 92" |
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| 18:55.34 | neil__ | ManoftheSea, that is on the remote ... |
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| 18:57.16 | RandyPopabawa | This is probably a stupid question but, my understand is Squeeze has kernel 2.6 Is 2.6 realtime and if not is there a STABLE real time kernel? |
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| 18:57.58 | abrotman | RandyPopabawa: possibly in backports.debian.org, but not as part of stable |
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| 18:59.01 | RandyPopabawa | so it wouldnt be a stable kernel? sorry, I'm kind of a linux newb thrusting myself int othe Debian wilds right now |
| 18:59.17 | RandyPopabawa | 'I do audio production but I have an old laptop and want to try switching over to all FOSS |
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| 19:00.09 | unferth | i think there's a lot of pretty good real time kernels out there |
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| 19:00.35 | abrotman | RandyPopabawa: it would stable, but not "stable" |
| 19:00.36 | neil__ | RandyPopabawa, the question is do you really need a real time kernel... if the computer isn't very busy the response to interrupts etc. is very minimal, and the jitter on timing is small. |
| 19:00.42 | nvz | RandyPopabawa: stable is what we call our stable release.. in Debian terms stable is different than anywhere else.. the backport kernel is plenty stable its just against debian package policy to move new stuff into a "stable" distro |
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| 19:01.22 | RandyPopabawa | well all id be doing is recording a single guitar track over a drum beat I made in hydrogen for instance |
| 19:01.46 | RandyPopabawa | then doing the same with a vocal track. So essentially it'd need to be able to handle playing up to 2 wav files simultaneously while recording a wav file |
| 19:02.01 | RandyPopabawa | So, I'm not entirely sure if I DO need a real time kernel. |
| 19:02.38 | format_c | neil__, the remote has a route loop |
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| 19:03.16 | vigasdeep | ls |
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| 19:03.40 | nvz | pr0n/ |
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| 19:04.00 | vigasdeep | hello everyone |
| 19:04.02 | neil__ | format_c, what is wrong? |
| 19:04.20 | RandyPopabawa | And I do know that there are Debian based audio production distros out there but I was kinda hoping to start from scratch in a sense so Ican learn all this stuff myself. |
| 19:04.23 | format_c | it has a static route to 10.8.0.0/24 via 10.7.0.2 (himself); |
| 19:05.08 | format_c | And no other more specific route than 10.8.0.0/24 |
| 19:05.41 | nvz | RandyPopabawa: there were live cds being circulated focused on the music software.. demudi but idk if its still being maintained |
| 19:06.03 | format_c | This explains the ICMP error you see on "the remote" |
| 19:06.12 | neil__ | format_c, ok ... but if I do something like "route add -net 10.8.0.0/24 gw 10.7.0.1" it isn't allowed |
| 19:06.42 | RandyPopabawa | I think I'll just try this and see if I even need a real time kernel for what I'm doing. Like I said, I'm not doing midi or any intensive electronic music production so I should be good. Especially since I plan on running E17 |
| 19:06.43 | nvz | RandyPopabawa: there is really nothing to gain from these things.. they all use stuff you can get on your own.. Audacity, Hydrogen, TerminatorX, Rosegarden, Cheesetracker, etc.. |
| 19:06.47 | format_c | neil__, but it would make much more sense |
| 19:07.05 | format_c | can you please nopaste the command and it's output? |
| 19:08.34 | neil__ | format_c, I just tried it again and it was allowed... I don't know what has changed since. |
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| 19:09.01 | RandyPopabawa | alright. i'm going to install debian and maybe i'll be back on later to let you guys now how painful (or hopefully painless) it turned out ot be. thanks so much for taking the time to listen to my ramblings though. have a good one everybody. |
| 19:09.35 | neil__ | format_c, the pings are now working.... :-) ... now to see if I can make the setup automatic. |
| 19:09.47 | babilen | RandyPopabawa: You can easily install a RT kernel from <backports> (i.e. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-rt-amd64) in case you want that. So just let us know if you need help with that. You might want to read <introduction> <overview> <stable> and <backports> ("/msg dpkg introduction") |
| 19:09.57 | babilen | so close |
| 19:10.21 | format_c | neil__, great |
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| 19:10.39 | format_c | Just in time to "Tatort" :-) |
| 19:10.49 | zykotick9 | !package recompile |
| 19:10.50 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 19:11.26 | zykotick9 | notice the "ask me about <debian/rules>" repeated mid-stream and at the end? in above "package recompile" factoid. |
| 19:11.35 | format_c | goes now away watching tv |
| 19:11.36 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 19:14.04 | neil__ | thanks format_c for all his help |
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| 19:23.12 | diverdude_ | How do i instruct, during the debian installer, debian to use md0 as its root file system? |
| 19:23.41 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:23.41 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 19:26.05 | s98259 | :/ |
| 19:26.30 | s98259 | er... |
| 19:26.32 | phix | hmmmm beethoven 14 |
| 19:26.45 | phix | is it just me of is that a sad song |
| 19:26.58 | phix | s/of/or/ |
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| 19:27.15 | s98259 | Right so I have a WPA2 passphrase access point. I try connecting to the network with the network key that I know and it doesn't work. :/ |
| 19:27.19 | s98259 | I use WICD. |
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| 19:28.16 | phix | s98259: Is your caps locks on? |
| 19:28.26 | tech_ | IOW it doesn't know if it's a hexadecimal kry or a passphrase? |
| 19:28.37 | tech_ | I use WICD too |
| 19:28.40 | s98259 | phix: No cause it's not in caps. |
| 19:28.56 | phix | tech_: depends if you type g or higher in the key |
| 19:29.01 | s98259 | The key I know fully well is lowercase. I've entered it into dosens of PCs. |
| 19:29.10 | phix | other wise it takes it as hex |
| 19:29.11 | s98259 | It's worked fine |
| 19:29.43 | phix | s98259: yeah have you tried turing it off then on again:? |
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| 19:29.59 | babilen | s98259: Try network-manager and/or entering the details in /etc/network/interfaces -- might just be a problem with wicd |
| 19:30.02 | s98259 | phix: Turning what off then on again? |
| 19:30.10 | s98259 | babilen: Eww no |
| 19:30.17 | babilen | s98259: How so? |
| 19:30.18 | phix | a111: com-puter |
| 19:30.22 | babilen | phix: Please take it elsewhere, thank you |
| 19:30.25 | s98259 | wicd worked before I reinstalled this computer babilen |
| 19:30.31 | tech_ | so, is the accesspoint WPA2 LEAP or PEAP? |
| 19:30.32 | phix | babilen: I am helpomg |
| 19:30.32 | s98259 | wicd has always worked for me. |
| 19:30.33 | a111 | u wot m8 |
| 19:30.40 | phix | babilen: I am helping |
| 19:30.41 | s98259 | tech_: WPA2 |
| 19:30.45 | s98259 | passphrase |
| 19:30.49 | s98259 | non enterprise |
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| 19:30.56 | tech_ | LEAP or PEAP. that deos make a difference |
| 19:31.03 | tech_ | *does |
| 19:31.16 | phix | babilen: people tend to not look at the obvious, so I am making sure you have covered that |
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| 19:31.20 | s98259 | I don't have a LEAP/PEAP supported router. lol |
| 19:31.35 | tech_ | ah, okay |
| 19:31.52 | phix | babilen: seriously is it plugged in, have you turned it off then on again is a valid question in troubleshooting |
| 19:32.13 | phix | babilen: simple yes, but that is where you start |
| 19:32.19 | s98259 | So what would the problem be? |
| 19:32.20 | babilen | s98259: You clearly have something in the logs. i haven't used WICD ever since they stopped developing it (before somebody started again) and use wpa-supplicant or network-manager just fine on multiple machines. |
| 19:32.38 | phix | babilen: you dont start recompling the matrix for example |
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| 19:32.57 | s98259 | er... |
| 19:33.01 | s98259 | babilen? |
| 19:33.05 | babilen | Yes? |
| 19:33.14 | s98259 | set +q on thingie. O.o |
| 19:33.32 | babilen | phix: Please try to be a bit more signal to noise next time. Ta! |
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| 19:33.44 | s98259 | erm so... |
| 19:33.59 | s98259 | babilen: So if I install network-manager then will you help me with it? |
| 19:34.18 | pfred1 | doesn't network-manager need Gnome? |
| 19:34.27 | abrotman | no |
| 19:34.32 | babilen | pfred1: It doesn't need Gnome, no |
| 19:34.32 | s98259 | Oh I don't have gnome. I am fully TTY. |
| 19:34.50 | s98259 | I don't even have X installed. lol |
| 19:34.51 | tech_ | s98259: can you connect from the command line? |
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| 19:34.57 | babilen | s98259: Do you have to connect to multiple wireless networks? |
| 19:35.05 | s98259 | babilen: No. |
| 19:35.10 | s98259 | Er... |
| 19:35.10 | s98259 | Yes |
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| 19:35.14 | s98259 | I use public wifi too |
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| 19:35.35 | pfred1 | babilen I had a dep issue when I removed network-manager on a system here it removed Gnome too |
| 19:36.15 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
| 19:36.18 | s98259 | babilen? |
| 19:36.19 | babilen | pfred1: the gnome metapackage depends on it, so it has to be removed if you remove nm. |
| 19:36.31 | babilen | s98259: So you have to connect to multiple wireless networks? |
| 19:36.36 | s98259 | Yes. |
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| 19:37.22 | s98259 | babilen: Yes. |
| 19:37.24 | tech_ | pfred1: what babilen said is the exact reason I detest metapackages |
| 19:37.43 | tech_ | KDE is full of them |
| 19:37.47 | babilen | s98259: In that case you might want to try wpa-supplicant directly. All I want is to try a *different* way of connecting to your wireless network in order to figure out if it is a problem with WICD or not. |
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| 19:37.58 | pfred1 | tech_ with that is all started because I didn't want to run apache but gnome depends on it for its help? |
| 19:38.36 | denac | the heck? gnome depends on apache now? |
| 19:38.42 | pfred1 | I never did get wi-cd to work on that system to get the wifi to work again either |
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| 19:38.52 | tech_ | maybe not Gnome itself, but some app(s) in Gnome probably need it |
| 19:38.58 | babilen | tech_: Well, metapackages are great if people use them correctly. What *I* have a problem with is their implementation and the fact that new users typically install the Desktop task (and the gnome package). As soon as they start experimenting (.e.g removing packages) they run into this problem. |
| 19:39.05 | abrotman | pfred1: but it doesn't actually run the daemon |
| 19:39.10 | pfred1 | that laptop is still a brick to this day |
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| 19:40.43 | babilen | s98259: I am referring to the method discussed in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant btw |
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| 19:41.19 | tech_ | babilen: I agree that they can be a timesaver for someone looking to install something. It's just that, for example, if I want an app, I don't want to install 128 other non-dependency apps and then be "stuck" with them |
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| 19:41.49 | pfred1 | babilen I'll have to check that link out |
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| 19:44.12 | pfred1 | I finally got every little annoyance on this system sorted out |
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| 19:44.31 | pfred1 | now it'll probably break down on me or something |
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| 19:45.50 | unnull | Hi, Why are init.d scripts called more than once (one for each runlevel)? Or am I wrong? [IRC newbie :)] |
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| 19:47.42 | tech_ | unnull: you sure that's right? |
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| 19:47.45 | s98259 | er... |
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| 19:48.16 | s98259 | babilen? |
| 19:48.52 | tech_ | unnull: seems to me, if that were true, then all your ini scripts would ne in one directory |
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| 19:49.01 | tech_ | *init |
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| 19:50.04 | Satche | Hi |
| 19:50.15 | s98259 | Hello I can't connect to a WPA2 access point. :/ |
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| 19:50.23 | s98259 | I use WICD. |
| 19:50.44 | s98259 | I can't connect to any access points I've tried but they show up. |
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| 19:51.07 | Satche | This is surely a kind of newbie question, but I try to get the last version of zsh (5.0.0), but I'm on debian squeeze |
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| 19:51.25 | Satche | It seems that the only available version of zsh for squeeze is 4.3… |
| 19:51.34 | Satche | How could I get the very last one ? |
| 19:51.41 | wols | ,versions zsh |
| 19:51.42 | judd | Package: zsh on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.6-6; squeeze: 4.3.10-14; sid: 4.3.17-1; wheezy: 4.3.17-1; experimental: 5.0.0-2 |
| 19:51.50 | wols | Satche: you can't |
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| 19:52.11 | Satche | wols: oh. |
| 19:52.22 | Satche | No way to get it manually, or whatever ? |
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| 19:52.39 | tech_ | s98259: last time something like that happened to me I ended up looking at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:52.52 | Satche | Anyone know when the last version will be available ? |
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| 19:53.24 | s98259 | tech_: nameserver 192.168.0.1 looks fine to me and I can't use public DNS. :/ |
| 19:53.24 | s98259 | it never works for me. :( |
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| 19:53.49 | s98259 | I have domain Home and search Home in there too. |
| 19:53.53 | abrotman | Satche: available for squeeze? |
| 19:54.05 | Satche | Yes, the 5.0.0… |
| 19:54.25 | abrotman | not for squeeze |
| 19:54.36 | abrotman | and apparently not for wheezy |
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| 19:54.49 | tech_ | s98259: how does /etc/network/interfaces look? |
| 19:54.49 | s98259 | I use Google DNS when I have my VPN client set up. |
| 19:55.08 | tech_ | anything unusual there? |
| 19:55.57 | s98259 | tech_: I keep getting from apt-get "unable to resolve felicia" |
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| 19:56.06 | s98259 | felicia is the hostname of this computer. |
| 19:56.30 | Satche | abrotman: And no one know when it will be released, I suppose ? |
| 19:56.39 | abrotman | when what will be released? |
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| 19:57.22 | s98259 | phix: Go away you stupid prick. |
| 19:58.03 | tech_ | s98259: and you *did* say you can connect via CLI, right? |
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| 19:58.42 | s98259 | tech_: No. |
| 19:58.43 | abrotman | s98259: use /ignore please |
| 19:58.50 | s98259 | abrotman: Sorry. |
| 19:58.56 | s98259 | got a bit annoyed. |
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| 19:59.55 | tech_ | can't connect via connection manager, can't connect via old-school command line... then it seems WICD may not be the issue here |
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| 20:00.23 | abrotman | which kernel is in use? |
| 20:00.39 | Satche | abrotman: zsh 5.0.0… |
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| 20:00.54 | abrotman | Satche: it has been released, it's just not packaged for squeeze |
| 20:00.56 | cryosphere | is there any way I can keep network-manager but have my computer connect through the wifi interface on boot |
| 20:01.13 | cryosphere | it seems like nm is depedent on having a user |
| 20:01.38 | cryosphere | i know I could set /etc/network/interfaces to do that |
| 20:01.46 | abrotman | you can make a global connectoin .. |
| 20:01.50 | s98259 | ///window 3 |
| 20:01.54 | cryosphere | but that will interfere with nm |
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| 20:02.29 | s98259 | tech_: So if wicd isn't the issue here then what is? |
| 20:02.36 | s98259 | I'm aware wicd isn't the issue. |
| 20:02.48 | tech_ | okay, I thought you were saying that |
| 20:02.59 | Satche | abrotman: Well, does it mean I can get it "manually" ? |
| 20:03.04 | abrotman | if you want |
| 20:03.24 | s98259 | tech_: wicd worked before I reinstalled the OS. |
| 20:03.56 | s98259 | meaning... it's another issue. |
| 20:04.06 | unnull | tech_: I know very little about init.d insserv..the works. But I have in my system various links pointing to the same script, one in each /etc/rc[12345].d directory. |
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| 20:05.00 | tech_ | s98259: okay, you're having issues with connecting to public wifi, so I guess that rules out WPA_supplicant as well |
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| 20:06.07 | s98259 | tech_: I'm uncomfortable with wpa_supplicant. |
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| 20:07.34 | tech_ | s98259: just as well, because that doesn't seem to be the issue, either |
| 20:07.51 | s98259 | tech_: Then what is the issue? |
| 20:07.51 | tech_ | just trying to narrow things down |
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| 20:08.37 | s98259 | tech_: okies :3 |
| 20:09.07 | tech_ | is DHCP/dhclient acting up on you? |
| 20:09.16 | s98259 | oh oh oh oh |
| 20:09.21 | s98259 | I don't have that installed. |
| 20:09.23 | s98259 | silly me |
| 20:09.34 | tech_ | LOL |
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| 20:09.49 | s98259 | er... |
| 20:09.54 | s98259 | no package for it tech_ :( |
| 20:10.09 | tech_ | hmm... |
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| 20:11.39 | tech_ | s98259: in Debian I think it's called isc-dhcp-client, something like that |
| 20:12.12 | s98259 | tech_: It's already installed. |
| 20:12.34 | tech_ | unnull: check out the Gentoo documentation on initscripts. I think it will answer a lot of your questions |
| 20:13.17 | tech_ | does the "dhclient" command work? |
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| 20:13.37 | s98259 | zsh: command not found: dhclient |
| 20:13.41 | s98259 | tech_: ^ |
| 20:13.52 | tech_ | I think you have to run that as root |
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| 20:16.08 | tech_ | also, I'm not that familiar with zsh, I usually use the standard bash shell. I don't know what limitations (if any) would be for the shell you're in, or if it even matters |
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| 20:20.34 | unnull | tech_: Ok, I'll check that out, thanks. |
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| 20:21.44 | s98259 | tech_: SOrry what I disconnected. :/ |
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| 20:23.05 | tech_ | s98259: I know this is a stupid question, but did you run dhclient as root? |
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| 20:23.22 | s98259 | tech_: Yes. |
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| 20:23.39 | tech_ | and command not found? Wow. |
| 20:23.44 | s98259 | tech_: no? |
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| 20:23.49 | s98259 | I said what it outputted. |
| 20:24.00 | tech_ | yeah, I know you did |
| 20:24.11 | s98259 | sudo: dhclient: can not resolve host felicia |
| 20:24.12 | tech_ | but that could be an issue |
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| 20:26.35 | tech_ | 298259: what wireless module (driver) are you using? |
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| 20:26.55 | ws2k3 | a /bin/sh: /root/samba-master/bin/asn1_compile: not found |
| 20:27.00 | ws2k3 | how should i fix that error |
| 20:27.10 | s98259 | tech_: I installed b43-lpphy |
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| 20:27.25 | cnz | Is there any good nas software that can run on debian? |
| 20:27.54 | tech_ | I remember a similar issue with some Atheros drivers. turned out that the module was buggy. |
| 20:28.05 | s98259 | Er... |
| 20:28.10 | s98259 | tech_: I use broadcom. |
| 20:28.26 | s98259 | it's Broadcom BCM4312 |
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| 20:28.34 | tech_ | right, just throwing that out there as a possibility. |
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| 20:29.16 | cnz | anyone know the best way to setup a nas that runs debian for the os? |
| 20:29.32 | s98259 | cnz: Be patient! |
| 20:29.35 | s98259 | please :3 |
| 20:29.47 | cnz | s98259, sure, was ust refrazing my question :) |
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| 20:30.17 | WR47HANZ | any way to setup a nas and dedicated xbmc host on the same debian install? |
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| 20:31.25 | WR47HANZ | is there anyway to teach my cat to make coffee for me with debian? |
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| 20:32.52 | AimHere | You could probably use debian as part of some machine that aids and abets the making of coffee |
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| 20:33.03 | AimHere | 'teach' and 'cat' are two words that almost never belong in the same sentence |
| 20:33.03 | tech_ | cat folgers | grep cream&sUGAR? |
| 20:33.09 | s98259 | WR47HANZ: sudo apt-get install cat-training |
| 20:33.16 | WR47HANZ | haha |
| 20:33.18 | s98259 | tech_: ? |
| 20:33.19 | WR47HANZ | thanks |
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| 20:33.27 | tech_ | sorry, wrong window |
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| 20:33.44 | s98259 | WR47HANZ: No problies. |
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| 20:34.06 | s98259 | tech_: Help me. :( |
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| 20:36.28 | tech_ | s98259:just a sec, someone's at the door |
| 20:36.34 | s98259 | okies :3 |
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| 20:40.26 | tech_ | s98259: when you run 'iwconfig <interface>', doe the correct essid show up? |
| 20:40.30 | tech_ | *does |
| 20:41.21 | s98259 | tech_: No essid shows up cause I'm not able to connect to an access point. :/ |
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| 20:42.21 | xaashi | hi all, i seem to have broken my system quite badly while trying to move from debian stable to testing -- apt-get -f install is bailing out .. is there any way get debian to reinstall everything, sort of like using debootstrap? thanks for your help |
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| 20:44.20 | tech_ | xaashi: if you change your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list to snapshot.debian.org then you may be able to roll back the system |
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| 20:45.21 | tech_ | s98259: so if you run 'iwlist scan' then you actually get a list of AP's |
| 20:45.32 | tech_ | ? |
| 20:46.14 | s98259 | tech_: I think so. |
| 20:46.20 | s98259 | How do I scroll in TTY? |
| 20:46.24 | s98259 | they go off screen. |
| 20:46.30 | xaashi | tech_: sadly i dont think its package error version right now my system is complaining that cant find basic scripts like update-rc.d |
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| 20:47.25 | tech_ | s98259: that's oksy, I just wanted to know if the NIC is even seeing the AP's in the first place |
| 20:47.32 | tech_ | *okay |
| 20:47.39 | s98259 | tech_: It is cause they show up in wicd. |
| 20:47.40 | s98259 | lol |
| 20:47.52 | tech_ | <smacks forehead> |
| 20:47.57 | s98259 | ? |
| 20:48.10 | tech_ | I just remember you said that already |
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| 20:48.40 | tech_ | therefore, facepalm |
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| 20:49.06 | tech_ | xaashi: ouch! that's bad |
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| 20:49.54 | s98259 | tech_: I have college in the morning and I use this system in college. |
| 20:50.00 | s98259 | sorry :/ |
| 20:50.08 | s98259 | Just in a rush to get the problem fixed. |
| 20:50.24 | tech_ | I understand, mynotebook's pretty important to my work as well |
| 20:50.27 | xaashi | tech_: yeah .. i've managed to get things to quieten down by creating empty scripts (invoke-rc.d, pam-auth-update ...) in /usr/bin/ |
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| 20:50.49 | xaashi | do you any any chance know what package provides the real scripts? |
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| 20:51.38 | tech_ | xaashi: I wish I knew |
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| 20:52.33 | tech_ | s98259: I haven't abandonded you yet, just taking a restroom break. brb |
| 20:52.47 | helen | okies :/ |
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| 20:53.42 | xaashi | any one know what package provides system scripts like update-rc.d, invoke-rc.d, pam-auth-update and etc. thanls |
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| 21:01.30 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 21:01.36 | ws2k3 | how should i solve this error : http://pastebin.com/7PqjWC65 |
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| 21:09.34 | matt868686 | Is there a way to list VLAN interfaces in "ip addr show" output using a wildcard? Something like "ip addr show dev eth0*"? |
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| 21:15.33 | gp5st | is http://www.spi-inc.org/ down? |
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| 21:18.17 | matt868686 | gp5st, no |
| 21:18.41 | matt868686 | gp5st, website is accessible. |
| 21:19.03 | solar_sea | Hi. I have a multiarch (base+kernel amd64, added i386 later) wheezy system and I'm trying to compile wine on it. It's configure script says that it's missing 32bit X11 development files. What are those packages ? I can't seem to specify an arch on build-deps either. |
| 21:19.56 | gp5st | matt868686: i wonder why i can't get to it then:( |
| 21:20.16 | somiaj | solar_sea: compile wine in a 32bit chroot or use pbuilder |
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| 21:20.41 | somiaj | solar_sea: -dev files are a bit annoying in multiarch format and it will be better to just compile an i386 version of wine (which is what I do) |
| 21:20.56 | helen | swims accross the solar_sea |
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| 21:22.57 | gp5st | the traceroute takes me to bender.spi-inc.org :-\ I wonder if the person who had this ip before me was being naughty:( |
| 21:23.12 | gp5st | is there anyone i can contact to be let through to it? |
| 21:23.37 | gp5st | oh wait...no www |
| 21:23.58 | gp5st | works. the link http://www.debian.org/donations and on google both have a www |
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| 21:24.35 | helen | gp5st: Should ALWAYS put www at the beginning of website addresses cause you get some stupid DNS admins who don't configure their DNS right. |
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| 21:25.04 | helen | Like the site of my college is http://www.nelson.ac.uk/ but http://nelson.ac.uk/ isn't accessible. :/ |
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| 21:25.42 | nekr0z | hi all |
| 21:25.43 | gp5st | helen: i'm not sure i follow you. the problem i'm having is www isn't working for me. it resolves to the same place |
| 21:25.53 | helen | rite |
| 21:26.00 | gp5st | :: shrug :: |
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| 21:27.28 | helen | Dafuq?! |
| 21:27.38 | helen | I attempt to upgrade to wheezy... |
| 21:27.54 | helen | apt-get dumps into dpkg issues and halts the upgrade |
| 21:28.00 | nekr0z | have a littile problem here with kde on wheezy: ulimit -l -r shows different things from virtual console and from within kde, and /etc/pam.d/kdm lists pam_limits.so as it should. Any hint as to where to look next is highly appreciated. |
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| 21:28.05 | helen | I attempt to reboot as root and the command isn't found. :/ |
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| 21:31.41 | s98259 | :/ |
| 21:31.45 | s98259 | OMFG |
| 21:31.48 | s98259 | fml |
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| 21:33.34 | abrotman | PAL |
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| 21:37.07 | s98259 | :/ |
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| 21:37.13 | s98259 | :/ |
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| 21:38.26 | abrotman | s98259: do you need help, or just going to make silly faces? |
| 21:38.38 | s98259 | abrotman: I need help. |
| 21:39.09 | s98259 | Sorry I'm getting really frustrated as it's not long til my bedtime and this has to be fixed before tomorrow. |
| 21:39.58 | s98259 | It's I can't connect to an access point. I use WICD and when I attempt to connect to an access point it gets stuck at authentication for a few secs and then fails to connect. |
| 21:39.59 | abrotman | making silly faces surely won't help |
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| 21:41.31 | somiaj | s98259: what wifi card? Do you have the non-free firmware installed (if it is needed). Are you using the correct secuirty, wep or wpa, do you have wpa_supplicant installed if it is wpa? |
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| 21:41.57 | somiaj | I know my wifi card refuses to authenticate with open guest networks with mutiple AP's. Not sure what the cards problem is, usb wifi card fixed it |
| 21:42.25 | s98259 | somiaj: Broadcom BCM4312 |
| 21:42.53 | abrotman | did you install any firmware? |
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| 21:43.08 | s98259 | wpa_supplicant is installed. I am using WPA2 passphrase and WICD. |
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| 21:43.26 | s98259 | abrotman: Yes I installed the b43-lppy firmware. |
| 21:43.34 | abrotman | doubt that's enough ? |
| 21:43.36 | s98259 | It's non-free too. |
| 21:44.04 | s98259 | I'm convinced this is normally all I'd have to do. |
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| 21:44.29 | s98259 | and then it'd work out of the box like it did the first time I installed debian on this netbook. |
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| 21:45.10 | herbyCologne | Is it possible to run gnome-shell / gnome3 in squeeze? |
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| 21:45.29 | s98259 | herbyCologne: Yes. |
| 21:45.46 | somiaj | herbyCologne: possible...sure. suggested, easy to do, or supported. no |
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| 21:46.51 | abrotman | herbyCologne: it's probably far easier to upgrade the box to wheezy |
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| 21:47.13 | s98259 | Does wicd depend on wpa_supplicant or something? |
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| 21:47.52 | abrotman | do you have them both installed? |
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| 21:48.24 | s98259 | abrotman: Yes. |
| 21:48.48 | herbyCologne | somiaj abrotman: So its not in the backports? |
| 21:48.51 | abrotman | s98259: any messages in 'dmesg' |
| 21:48.58 | abrotman | herbyCologne: not sure it ever will be |
| 21:49.12 | somiaj | herbyCologne: it will not be an easy backport, you are talking about hundereds of pacakges that you would have to backport |
| 21:49.37 | somiaj | s98259: wicd produces a detailed log about what it does, read the log, see what fails. |
| 21:49.46 | somiaj | I think it is /var/log/wicd.log or something like that |
| 21:49.46 | s98259 | hmm |
| 21:49.57 | s98259 | weird I thought I had it installed but it appears I don't. |
| 21:49.59 | s98259 | installing... |
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| 21:53.21 | s98259 | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable. dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable. dpkg: warning: 'update-rc.d' not found in PATH or not executable. NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 21:53.22 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, s98259 |
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| 21:54.57 | s98259 | abrotman: ^ |
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| 21:55.05 | s98259 | somiaj: ^ |
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| 21:55.42 | abrotman | what is that from ? |
| 21:56.09 | s98259 | abrotman: from sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant |
| 21:56.16 | habstinat | Is there a comprehensive recent guide somewhere to setting up a complete mailserver with Postfix, SquirrelMail, etc. with Debian somewhere that you would reccommend? The only ones I can find haven't been updated since 2005 |
| 21:56.31 | abrotman | s98259: did oyu delete update-rc.d ? |
| 21:56.43 | abrotman | habstinat: really hasn't changed since 2005 |
| 21:56.51 | s98259 | abrotman: no |
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| 21:57.01 | s98259 | This is a fresh install of Debian. |
| 21:57.16 | abrotman | s98259: so does that command exist ? |
| 21:57.28 | abrotman | s98259: or did you change the $PATH for root? |
| 21:57.42 | s98259 | I changed nothing to do with root. |
| 21:58.14 | s98259 | No the command doesn't exist. |
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| 21:59.33 | abrotman | s98259: so you don't have /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 21:59.34 | s98259 | abrotman: ^ |
| 21:59.37 | s98259 | oh |
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| 21:59.43 | abrotman | s98259: i can read, no need to keep using a caret |
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| 22:00.05 | s98259 | abrotman: A carrot? O.o |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | caret |
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| 22:00.24 | s98259 | Yes I got that abrotman |
| 22:00.33 | abrotman | s98259: echo $PATH |
| 22:01.52 | s98259 | abrotman: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 22:02.02 | s98259 | Wait... :o I has games?! O.o |
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| 22:03.45 | akaseki | hi |
| 22:04.05 | s98259 | akaseki: heyy helena here :3 |
| 22:04.14 | akaseki | is this the right place to ask about a problem i have with sound in squeeze? |
| 22:04.22 | s98259 | yes |
| 22:04.25 | s98259 | it is akaseki |
| 22:04.35 | akaseki | well it doesn't work :) |
| 22:04.47 | s98259 | ... |
| 22:04.50 | s98259 | akaseki: ? |
| 22:04.52 | akaseki | i have found on forums that this is a common thing |
| 22:04.56 | s98259 | What is wrong with it? |
| 22:05.02 | abrotman | s98259: okay, how did oyu do that? |
| 22:05.03 | akaseki | and was wondering if there's some sort of go-to guide at this point |
| 22:05.07 | abrotman | s98259: wait, is that as root, or your user? |
| 22:05.10 | akaseki | s98259, it doesn't work |
| 22:05.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell akaseki about alsa checklist |
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| 22:05.36 | s98259 | abrotman: Looks like root. :o |
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| 22:05.49 | abrotman | s98259: so someone messed with root's path |
| 22:05.55 | s98259 | no? |
| 22:06.04 | s98259 | this is a FRESH Debian install! |
| 22:06.15 | s98259 | and I personally didn't directly touch root's path. :/ |
| 22:06.19 | s98259 | How do I fix it abrotman? |
| 22:06.24 | somiaj | s98259: type whoami, what does it say? Are you running these programs wiht sudo? |
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| 22:06.38 | s98259 | somiaj: with sudo yes. :3 |
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| 22:06.56 | s98259 | I am never rooted nor am I ever directly using root for things. |
| 22:07.05 | somiaj | try to just become root, 'sudo su -' then give us the output of echo $PATH |
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| 22:07.40 | somiaj | it could be the secure_path is not defined properly in your sudoers file, have you modified that at all? |
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| 22:07.44 | s98259 | somiaj: NOOOOO! |
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| 22:08.22 | s98259 | somiaj: Whyy would I become root when I can just run something as root in my own userland? |
| 22:09.14 | somiaj | s98259: because something is not working correct. If you are really missing those files your install is messed up. If it is a path issue, lets get you to root and remove sudo from the equation |
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| 22:09.35 | somiaj | s98259: so my suggestion was go see if it works as root. In that case you just need to fix your sudoers file |
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| 22:10.48 | s98259 | somiaj: I have three sbin paths as root. |
| 22:11.06 | somiaj | s98259: ok now while you are in your root shell run that command and see if you have the same errors |
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| 22:12.27 | s98259 | somiaj: i DON'T. |
| 22:12.30 | s98259 | woopsies |
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| 22:12.56 | somiaj | then something is wrong with your sudo setting the $PATH correctly |
| 22:13.19 | somiaj | use visudo as root, and then make sure you have Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" somewhere in the top of the file |
| 22:13.28 | abrotman | or just don't use sudo! |
| 22:14.06 | somiaj | yea sounds like he likes sudo so I was trying to help him fix it |
| 22:14.40 | somiaj | that secure path got me during an upgrade from an older version of sudo, not sure why it would sneak into a fresh install though, been standard since at least squeeze if not lenny |
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| 22:15.28 | s98259 | Sorry |
| 22:15.40 | s98259 | Disconnect somiaj |
| 22:15.47 | buntunub | somiaj what if you have env_reset in your Default sudoers |
| 22:16.01 | s98259 | Still can't connect to the access point even with wpa_supplicant installed. :/ |
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| 22:16.41 | akaseki | hey again |
| 22:17.00 | akaseki | good news! i can now hear the system beep in the speakers |
| 22:17.10 | somiaj | buntunub: think you need both, the standard one provided by debian has both. His problem was a path problem with sudo, so I assumed it was the secure_path setting |
| 22:17.20 | somiaj | s98259: read the log, figure out why |
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| 22:17.45 | akaseki | s98259, could you have the bot tell me those things again pls? |
| 22:18.12 | akaseki | about the sound problems |
| 22:18.30 | s98259 | The log is empty somiaj |
| 22:18.46 | s98259 | akaseki: What things? O.o |
| 22:18.47 | s98259 | :o |
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| 22:18.55 | somiaj | akaseki: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 22:18.58 | akaseki | thanks |
| 22:20.10 | akaseki | sigh |
| 22:20.17 | akaseki | i hate stable with all my heart and soul |
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| 22:20.58 | somiaj | akaseki: then why are you using it? |
| 22:21.09 | dvs | akaseki: stable is great... if you have older hardware |
| 22:21.53 | s98259 | noooo :( I got half a tooth pick stuck in my gum :( |
| 22:22.05 | dvs | uninstall! |
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| 22:22.23 | akaseki | dvs, hardware is almost 10 years old |
| 22:22.36 | akaseki | in 10 years my main concern has been alsa or asshattery when it came to it |
| 22:22.56 | akaseki | one day i'm going to be known as the guy who raped and killed every coder that ever worked on it |
| 22:23.38 | akaseki | sigh.. excuse my language, it's just frustrating to have the same problems in debian 6 as i did in 3 |
| 22:24.14 | akaseki | anyway, i found the issue |
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| 22:24.29 | akaseki | my video card has hdmi audio support and alsa was sending it's best at the other one |
| 22:24.40 | akaseki | thanks for your help |
| 22:24.48 | akaseki | bye |
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| 22:25.16 | s98259 | er... |
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| 22:26.21 | helen | er... :( |
| 22:28.25 | helen | brb reboot lol |
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| 22:34.37 | s98259 | O.o |
| 22:34.42 | helen | :( |
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| 22:35.14 | abrotman | oh, that explains a lot |
| 22:35.27 | helen | Problem still not fixed. |
| 22:35.31 | abrotman | why not? |
| 22:35.36 | abrotman | we cannot see oyur logs or errors .. |
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| 22:35.46 | helen | cause... |
| 22:35.54 | helen | when I checked for logs abrotman they were empty. :/ |
| 22:36.01 | abrotman | all logs were empty? i doubt it |
| 22:36.07 | helen | nope |
| 22:36.13 | helen | what log do you want me to check? |
| 22:36.27 | abrotman | any? |
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| 22:36.34 | abrotman | you're looking for errors |
| 22:36.47 | abrotman | though, i'm not sure which problem we're trying to solve at this point |
| 22:37.05 | helen | abrotman: The access point one. |
| 22:37.09 | helen | pulling logs... |
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| 22:37.42 | lollo | CìåØ !¡! |
| 22:37.46 | lollo | !list |
| 22:37.46 | dpkg | lollo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 22:41.36 | helen | hmm |
| 22:42.14 | helen | abrotman: I tried looking and found nothing that looked suspicious but maybe you could find something. > http://paste.debian.net/215318/ |
| 22:42.21 | helen | somiaj: ^ |
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| 22:43.10 | abrotman | did you check the box to let wicd manage the wireless card? have you looked in dmesg for errors? |
| 22:43.39 | somiaj | the log seems to say you got an ipaddress. |
| 22:43.47 | somiaj | do you see the ipadress if /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 22:43.51 | abrotman | curses broadcom |
| 22:44.02 | helen | abrotman: I looked in dmesg yes. |
| 22:44.55 | helen | somiaj: That IP address is for the eth0 interface. |
| 22:45.13 | helen | 192.168.0.15? |
| 22:45.16 | helen | That's ethernet. |
| 22:47.09 | somiaj | ahh that wasn't your wireless device. I just looked at the end of the log |
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| 22:48.02 | helen | Samsung Galaxy? Why is it when I use you while you're on charge your battery drains? :/ |
| 22:48.06 | helen | Geez |
| 22:48.22 | cra1g321 | wifi issue ? there seems to be alot of lines about setting hostname |
| 22:48.33 | helen | cra1g321: ? |
| 22:49.14 | cra1g321 | im on about the log u linked |
| 22:49.21 | helen | Right |
| 22:50.06 | somiaj | helen: There can be issues with charging a phone the same time it is in use, some phones to avoid such issues just drop the charging connenction when it is in use |
| 22:50.28 | helen | somiaj: What? |
| 22:50.42 | helen | It ran out of battery earlier. |
| 22:50.47 | helen | it was on charge too |
| 22:50.55 | helen | and it's battery went dead :/ |
| 22:51.22 | somiaj | yea I have had phones do the same thing, they wont' charge while being used (even if plugged in). |
| 22:51.38 | somiaj | I forget why the manual told me it did that, something with safty I think |
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| 22:51.44 | helen | somiaj: Never had a device do that and for years and years I've had many of devices |
| 22:51.46 | helen | this is the first |
| 22:51.49 | helen | :/ |
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| 22:51.58 | helen | STUPID DEVICE |
| 22:52.04 | helen | now back to the problem of my comp pls |
| 22:52.37 | cra1g321 | which is u cant connect your laptop? using wireless ? |
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| 22:53.16 | belak | I submitted a mirror change request a long time ago, probably over a month, and I still haven't seen any changes or heard anything back from anyone. Who should I talk to so I can make sure this gets taken care of? |
| 22:53.40 | helen | cra1g321: Yes. |
| 22:53.45 | abrotman | belak: there's a debian-mirrors mailing list that's probably the best place |
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| 22:54.00 | somiaj | damn I read minor not mirror, think its time for a break |
| 22:54.03 | helen | Guys this problem needs fixing before tomorrow. |
| 22:54.18 | helen | It's now 11:00pm. :/ |
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| 22:55.00 | cra1g321 | i've always used networkmanager rather than wicd, not sure if it would fix your issue though |
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| 22:55.16 | helen | cra1g321: Can it be used in TTY |
| 22:55.19 | helen | ? |
| 22:55.31 | belak | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:55.37 | shadedpixel | How do I go about correctly making a external hdd mount at boot, I added an entry in /etc/fstab but It dosn't come up as mounted when i check with "df" |
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| 22:55.57 | cra1g321 | i dont know |
| 22:56.17 | helen | :/ |
| 22:56.50 | shadedpixel | cra1g321: Networking issues? |
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| 22:57.05 | cra1g321 | helen is |
| 22:57.06 | streuner_ | NM is for GUIs only, IIRC |
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| 22:57.22 | shadedpixel | cra1g321: ah |
| 22:57.27 | shadedpixel | helen: Wireless or Wired? |
| 22:57.31 | somiaj | shadedpixel: check your /etc/fstab entry. Also are you using a UUID in it as external drives can jump around based on the order they are detected |
| 22:58.01 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Yah i saw that UUID stuff in the file, how do i find its UUID? |
| 22:58.05 | helen | How do I use this thing cra1g321? |
| 22:58.06 | cnz | shadedpixel, you live in tucson/ |
| 22:58.08 | helen | shadedpixel: Wireless. |
| 22:58.11 | somiaj | shadedpixel: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 22:58.14 | shadedpixel | helen: Yep :) |
| 22:58.16 | helen | I installed it cra1g321 |
| 22:58.18 | somiaj | shadedpixel: find the one that points to the corerct partition. |
| 22:58.42 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Thanks |
| 22:58.45 | cra1g321 | why arent you using a GUI ? |
| 22:58.51 | helen | cra1g321: no |
| 22:58.55 | shadedpixel | cnz: Yep |
| 22:58.59 | helen | I am pure TTY |
| 22:59.00 | cnz | haha me too |
| 22:59.08 | shadedpixel | cnz: Cool |
| 22:59.14 | cnz | no comcast rapes us here :( |
| 22:59.17 | helen | I have no Xorg or Xvesa cra1g321 |
| 22:59.30 | pipe | it's the future. |
| 22:59.34 | shadedpixel | cnz: God, i want to kill comcast right now >_< |
| 22:59.37 | helen | pipe: I don't care. |
| 22:59.42 | helen | I wish it was the 90s. :/ |
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| 23:00.00 | cnz | shadedpixel, me too took them a week to get my modem to accept the right boot file for my 50Mbit, the nice part I got $125 credit |
| 23:00.09 | shadedpixel | cnz: I pay way to much for my bundle and i only get 25 Mb/s down |
| 23:00.28 | cnz | shadedpixel, they are doing a buncle with that speed for $80/month |
| 23:00.39 | shadedpixel | cnz: Does it have TV> |
| 23:00.41 | cnz | yep |
| 23:00.41 | shadedpixel | *? |
| 23:00.44 | cnz | it's tv and internet |
| 23:00.46 | cnz | 160channels |
| 23:00.56 | cra1g321 | helen from NetworkManager Debian wiki - Set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf then /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 23:00.59 | cnz | it's the one I got and upgraded it o the 50Mbit |
| 23:01.10 | cnz | which is only $40/month extra |
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| 23:01.14 | shadedpixel | cnz: I'll have to look into it, other people in my house need Pac 12 network though :P |
| 23:01.17 | somiaj | shadedpixel: you can check if the mount works before roboting by mount /path/to/mountpoint -- that way you can see if your fstab entry is correct |
| 23:01.21 | cnz | yep |
| 23:01.25 | cnz | it comes on the 160 channel package |
| 23:01.36 | cnz | and a bunch of other stuf |
| 23:01.39 | cnz | stuff |
| 23:02.08 | cnz | I just went down to the store on cortaro and the i-10 |
| 23:02.08 | helen | cra1g321: Done. |
| 23:02.31 | shadedpixel | cnz: Someone in my neighborhood has a Wi-Fi SSID saying "LinuxInAZOrBust" but I have yet to find out who it is. I need to meet them :D |
| 23:02.45 | cra1g321 | helen u might of need /etc/init.d/network-manager start instead if network manager wasnt already running |
| 23:02.49 | cnz | LOL that's awesome |
| 23:02.49 | helen | shadedpixel: :D |
| 23:02.56 | cnz | just go knock door to door and ask |
| 23:03.01 | helen | cra1g321: It was. |
| 23:03.01 | cnz | or put a big sign on the stree |
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| 23:03.04 | shadedpixel | cnz: Lol |
| 23:03.06 | helen | installing it set it to start |
| 23:03.11 | cra1g321 | ah ok |
| 23:03.27 | edju | Anyone dual-boot Wheezy w/ OSX Mountain Lion? A pointer to a sxs for the simple minded greatly appreciated. All I could find up-to-date was for Mint & Ubuntu. |
| 23:03.35 | shadedpixel | Anyway, ill be idle for awhile, need to go mount my HDD |
| 23:03.40 | helen | cra1g321: I need my wifi set up. :( |
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| 23:03.56 | shadedpixel | helen: What Wi-Fi card are you using? |
| 23:04.11 | helen | Broadcom BCM4312 |
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| 23:04.17 | helen | the firmware is installed. |
| 23:04.27 | helen | firmware = b43-lppy |
| 23:04.30 | shadedpixel | helen: ehh Broadcom dosn't play well with linux |
| 23:04.41 | helen | shadedpixel: Well it did do |
| 23:04.45 | helen | before I reinstalled :/ |
| 23:04.54 | helen | shadedpixel: You're completely wrong. |
| 23:05.03 | helen | most routers run linux and have broadcom card. |
| 23:05.14 | helen | They work perfectly. |
| 23:05.20 | cra1g321 | helen what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
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| 23:05.38 | shadedpixel | helen: Ill look into it, but check with the other people here meanwhile :D |
| 23:05.51 | shadedpixel | somiaj: What was the command to find the UUID again? |
| 23:06.06 | somiaj | shadedpixel: the uuid links are in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 23:06.26 | somiaj | shadedpixel: you can also look at the filesystem headers, but I find looking at the links the easiest |
| 23:06.42 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Ok, so somthing like cat /dev/disk/by-uuid\ |
| 23:06.54 | somiaj | shadedpixel: no they are links, so ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 23:06.56 | shadedpixel | (minus that backslash at the end :P) |
| 23:07.02 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Ah ok |
| 23:07.02 | helen | shadedpixel: Not going to check with people here when most of my networking equipment is linux + broadcom. |
| 23:07.04 | somiaj | shadedpixel: the links point to the actual partition like /dev/sdb2 or whatever |
| 23:07.16 | somiaj | the thing is those can change each boot, uuid's wont' |
| 23:07.46 | shadedpixel | somiaj: So do i just not put in the /dev/sd* ? |
| 23:07.46 | helen | cra1g321: http://paste.debian.net/215324/ |
| 23:08.44 | helen | shadedpixel: and this systems NIC worked flawlessly with linux before I reinstalled cause loopback broke and I was looking for a solution for months but found nothing. |
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| 23:09.05 | JohnnyL | help http://pastie.org/5503995 |
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| 23:09.24 | helen | JohnnyL: Sorry not web browser. |
| 23:09.29 | helen | *no |
| 23:09.46 | JohnnyL | helen, could not initiated opengl subsystem. |
| 23:09.52 | somiaj | shadedpixel: you put in UUID=foo in place of /dev/sd?? in /etc/fstab |
| 23:09.54 | helen | right |
| 23:09.56 | JohnnyL | i'm trying to run openarena. |
| 23:09.58 | shadedpixel | helen: My experience with wifi on linux has been pretty poor, So i switched to a different card (non broadcom), id reccomend that instead of hunting around for drivers |
| 23:10.04 | abrotman | loopback broke? |
| 23:10.08 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Ok, thanks |
| 23:10.10 | helen | shadedpixel: ? |
| 23:10.12 | helen | no? |
| 23:10.12 | somiaj | shadedpixel: reason is external drives can be detected in any order so that insures that you always mount the right filesystem and aren't relaying on the order they are detected |
| 23:10.22 | streuner_ | she trying to fix that issue since 2 days |
| 23:10.22 | cra1g321 | but she aint having a problem with drivers shadedpixel |
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| 23:10.52 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: is openarena a videoplayer like mplayer? |
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| 23:10.54 | helen | shadedpixel: I can detect wifi access points but I can't authenticate with em. |
| 23:11.08 | helen | It's WPA authentication that's the problem. |
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| 23:11.28 | JohnnyL | streuner_: nope |
| 23:11.42 | cra1g321 | helen there is a command line version of networkmanager called cnetworkmanager , maybe that would be mor suited to you |
| 23:11.47 | shadedpixel | helen: Oh! Yah, thats what I was having trouble with! Have you tried ndiswrapper? |
| 23:11.51 | helen | streuner_: No? I reported my loopback problem in here couple months ago too. |
| 23:12.04 | helen | shadedpixel: Don't want to try windows drivers on linux. |
| 23:12.09 | helen | I'm not a fan of Microsoft sorry. |
| 23:12.13 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: /msg dpkg openarena |
| 23:12.15 | shadedpixel | helen: Ah ok |
| 23:12.27 | helen | shadedpixel: Valid enough reason, right? |
| 23:12.42 | shadedpixel | helen: Yes, i totally agree |
| 23:12.55 | somiaj | helen: then get a different card. Some broadcom cards require you cut the firmware out of the ms drivers. |
| 23:13.06 | helen | cra1g321: Nope but I could attempt to install it. |
| 23:13.13 | streuner_ | JohnnyL: try #openarena |
| 23:13.19 | helen | somiaj: I've had the drivers work many times. |
| 23:13.25 | helen | this is the first time it's failed on me. |
| 23:13.26 | shadedpixel | somiaj: I dont see my drive with under /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 23:13.39 | somiaj | shadedpixel: is it pluged in correctly, its a usb drive right? |
| 23:13.42 | helen | therefore I'm not going to replace a card I know works fine with linux normally. |
| 23:14.04 | JohnnyL | you get get the handle of any x window programmably using xlib correct? |
| 23:14.11 | helen | cra1g321: Nope can't install it either. |
| 23:14.22 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Yes, and formatted with ext4, And i have mounted it fine |
| 23:14.24 | helen | Is it under a different package name? |
| 23:16.03 | shadedpixel | somiaj: |
| 23:16.11 | shadedpixel | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/215327/ |
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| 23:16.19 | helen | forget it |
| 23:16.25 | helen | I'll try ndiswrapper. :/ |
| 23:16.33 | helen | oh gosh |
| 23:16.40 | somiaj | shadedpixel: is it /dev/sdb1? |
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| 23:16.50 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Yes |
| 23:17.16 | cra1g321 | wait helen |
| 23:17.35 | cra1g321 | i think u need to wlan0 to the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 23:17.40 | cra1g321 | add* |
| 23:17.42 | helen | right |
| 23:17.48 | helen | but then the problem is this... |
| 23:17.58 | helen | how do I connect to an access point with networkmanager? |
| 23:17.59 | helen | :/ |
| 23:18.32 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Wait, i found it with blkid /dev/sda1 |
| 23:18.44 | shadedpixel | *I mean blkid /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:18.47 | somiaj | shadedpixel: 225ccbd0-77fd-477e-aeb3-f1c696815406 -> ../../sdb1 -- that is your uuid and the link is pointing at sdb1 |
| 23:19.02 | helen | cra1g321: ? |
| 23:19.12 | cra1g321 | searching |
| 23:19.13 | helen | bloody toothache :/ |
| 23:19.14 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Im blind, :P didnt see it |
| 23:19.18 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Sorry lol |
| 23:19.26 | helen | shadedpixel: I'm blind too |
| 23:19.57 | streuner_ | helen, did you ask yesterday about that loopback issue? |
| 23:19.58 | shadedpixel | helen: Actually blind? I was speaking hypothetically |
| 23:20.43 | helen | streuner_: Yes but I reinstalled the OS and it fixed it. |
| 23:20.46 | helen | shadedpixel: Yep. |
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| 23:20.55 | shadedpixel | somiaj: So in /etc/fstab just replace /dev/sdb1 with the UUID |
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| 23:21.11 | streuner_ | helen: well, i dont unterstand nothing then |
| 23:21.17 | helen | shadedpixel: I'm blind differently in both my eyes. |
| 23:21.25 | shadedpixel | helen: Ah |
| 23:21.28 | helen | colourblind in one and completely blind in the other. |
| 23:21.47 | shadedpixel | helen: Sorry if i affended you in any way, I ment i just didn't see it :) |
| 23:21.54 | helen | shadedpixel: No you didn't. |
| 23:21.57 | abailarri | if I write apt-get autoremove, erases all my debian packages, why????? |
| 23:22.01 | helen | I just wanted to say that I'm blind. lol |
| 23:22.07 | shadedpixel | helen: Ok |
| 23:22.08 | helen | abailarri: Lol fail |
| 23:22.12 | helen | you shouldn't do that! |
| 23:22.17 | helen | it can break your system. |
| 23:22.33 | abailarri | I just installed debian! |
| 23:22.33 | streuner_ | abailarri: man apt-get | grep -i autoremove |
| 23:22.36 | cra1g321 | helen apparently nmcli is a command line version of networkmanager too, see if have it |
| 23:22.37 | helen | APT only guesses if packages aren't in use. |
| 23:22.42 | shadedpixel | abailarri: Id donsn't (or shouldn't) it just removes uneeded packages |
| 23:22.45 | helen | it doesn't actually know |
| 23:22.49 | diverdude | hello, i am building a raid5 array using mdadm on 4 disks. When i do cat /proc/mdstat it prints something like: "xxxxxxxxxxx blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_]" I am wondering why its writing [4/3] and not [4/4].....Is it missing a disk or what? |
| 23:22.57 | helen | it guesses based on other packages. |
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| 23:23.05 | helen | shadedpixel: I broke my system with autoremove |
| 23:23.08 | streuner_ | abailarri: it just remove any packages which arent needed anymore |
| 23:23.10 | abrotman | diverdude: is one a hot spare? |
| 23:23.11 | helen | it removed in use dependancies. |
| 23:23.18 | shadedpixel | helen: Really? I never have |
| 23:23.23 | helen | shadedpixel: Really. |
| 23:23.34 | shadedpixel | helen: I thought it only removed uneeded dependancies |
| 23:23.36 | helen | I learnt a lesson after that day. |
| 23:23.40 | jesusemelendezm | hey guys |
| 23:23.40 | helen | shadedpixel: Same here. |
| 23:23.46 | jesusemelendezm | how are you all today? |
| 23:23.46 | helen | as it claims that's all it does. |
| 23:23.47 | diverdude | abrotman, hmm whats a hot spare? |
| 23:23.49 | jesusemelendezm | hi Helen |
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| 23:23.54 | helen | heyy jesusemelendezm |
| 23:23.57 | shadedpixel | helen: Thats what the wiki said |
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| 23:24.09 | helen | shadedpixel: But it only guesses based on other packages. |
| 23:24.10 | jesusemelendezm | what's the topic today? may I help ? |
| 23:24.19 | helen | that you installed |
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| 23:25.01 | helen | shadedpixel: It was the manual that told me so I used it |
| 23:25.04 | helen | and BOOM |
| 23:25.17 | shadedpixel | helen: Ill keep that in mind |
| 23:25.20 | helen | wifi was NIC firmware was broken, etc etc |
| 23:25.27 | helen | my desktop theming was broken |
| 23:25.34 | shadedpixel | helen: Luckly when I used it it never removed anything I needed |
| 23:25.35 | abailarri | helen, It should only remove packages that are not needed. But in my case, if I put autoremove, I get 500MB of packages to remove. Look at that pastebin. |
| 23:25.36 | helen | some programs wouldn't start |
| 23:25.42 | abailarri | helen, http://pastebin.com/QLiNYHzb |
| 23:25.46 | helen | I got lots of kernel errors at bootup too |
| 23:25.51 | helen | abailarri: no web browser |
| 23:26.07 | streuner_ | helen: lynx |
| 23:26.11 | helen | no |
| 23:26.17 | helen | don't need a web browser |
| 23:26.46 | diverdude | abrotman, ? |
| 23:26.53 | abailarri | streuner_, you can look at it? |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | okayt |
| 23:27.05 | abailarri | http://pastebin.com/QLiNYHzb |
| 23:27.40 | helen | shadedpixel: autoremove is cool, works only 90% of the time tho. |
| 23:27.55 | helen | it doesn't 100% know if a dependancy is in use or not. |
| 23:28.11 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Is there a command to re-scan the fstab or somthing? it still isn't mounting |
| 23:28.28 | helen | cra1g321: I got it. |
| 23:28.30 | streuner_ | man mount |
| 23:28.45 | cra1g321 | what did u do ? |
| 23:28.48 | streuner_ | abailarri: i guess, you removed a meta-package, just ignore autoremove now |
| 23:29.02 | helen | cra1g321: Tho this doesn't let me use wifi. :/ |
| 23:29.12 | abailarri | ok streuner_ |
| 23:29.50 | helen | cra1g321: nmcli has no options for using wifi. |
| 23:30.03 | streuner_ | abailarri: if you want remove unused libs/packages, just use deborphan /msg dpkg deborphan |
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| 23:31.18 | streuner_ | shadedpixel: mount -a |
| 23:31.43 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Is there some way to check the fstab for errors? Its not mouning :/ |
| 23:31.45 | streuner_ | shadedpixel: and please read man mount |
| 23:31.50 | shadedpixel | streuner_: Ok |
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| 23:35.52 | somiaj | shadedpixel: mount /mount/point and umount /mount/point use your fstab |
| 23:36.09 | somiaj | shadedpixel: if you can do that your fstab is working and it could be that the drive isn't fully detected until later in the boot sequence |
| 23:36.50 | shadedpixel | somiaj: And, now its working :) |
| 23:37.03 | shadedpixel | Thanks somiaj and streuner__ |
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| 23:44.23 | KeatonT | I can't seem to get grub to install on my software raid 0 volume. |
| 23:44.25 | KeatonT | :/ |
| 23:44.26 | shadedpixel | Anyone know why mv would be giving me this error: mv /var/www/media /media/server/media: failure |
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| 23:48.20 | shadedpixel | Never mind, It works when im not trying to move them over FTP |
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| 23:57.12 | MontiSola | hi |
| 23:57.54 | MontiSola | if i want to be able to use ifconfig and iwconfig as normal user (non root user) what should i do? |
| 23:58.26 | MontiSola | should i add my user to a specific group ? (maybe netdev? ) is it a safe choice? |
| 23:58.43 | MontiSola | !dpkg tell me about groups |