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| 00:00.26 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 00:00.30 | diniwed1 | Brigo: no.. I just want the upgrade to work.. "transparently".. and save me the trouble of doing a fresh install and have to install and set up / customize all my packages one at a time.. That's the way I've done it from sarge to etch to lenny to squeeze..! Never had a serious issue.. |
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| 00:00.57 | pmo_ | Brigo, i keep my git /etc on hand in case of major failure :) ;-) but last time it has been a real mess was on similar occasion, from testing to stable, will be time to see if my preference will help low down the size of the future mess |
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| 00:01.27 | Brigo | diniwed1: so, no problem :-) |
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| 00:02.26 | diniwed1 | Brigo: thanks..! If you're still around, I'll let you know how it goes.. |
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| 00:02.36 | diniwed1 | Ah.. nice talking to you lads.. My squeeze clone has just finished building.. I shall henceforth be on my way..! |
| 00:03.02 | Nik05 | Ir0nman its talking about favicon |
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| 00:04.11 | Nik05 | Ir0nman put php debuggin on |
| 00:04.33 | Nik05 | and what is the software? |
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| 00:05.09 | Ir0nman | wordpress |
| 00:05.23 | Ir0nman | how do i put php debugging on |
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| 00:18.31 | reipr_ | wow there alot of folks in here. |
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| 00:24.11 | nkuttler | Ir0nman: #wordpress |
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| 00:40.10 | marc_smith | hello. I've recently switched to lilo from grub [I love simplicity of lilo, been using it on slackware, and I can't live with grub]. Is it normal that I see dmesg hardware messages, like "[ 31341] BTTV: card detected", etc? I've never seen it with grub, on or other OS. Does Debian's grub use some kind of specific VGA/VESA kernel mode? PS what are the main disadvantages of LILO? |
| 00:40.52 | marc_smith | now I use vga = 0x31B |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | marc_smith: yes, you can use a bootload GUI thing like plymouth |
| 00:41.32 | Justin | marc_smith: lilo is a terrible bootloader and no one in their right mind should use it |
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| 00:42.19 | marc_smith | hmm, don't get me wrong - I'm accustomed to dmesg messages. I just don't know why do I see these messages now, and not with grub. |
| 00:42.24 | marc_smith | Justin: why? |
| 00:42.35 | Justin | marc_smith: no interactive commandline for one |
| 00:42.52 | marc_smith | ok, I don't really need that, thankfully |
| 00:43.02 | Justin | sure, until something breaks |
| 00:43.13 | marc_smith | I use live media anyway in that case |
| 00:43.50 | Justin | sure, LILO is so simple it requires you to have a live rescue media on hand at all times for when it breaks |
| 00:43.53 | marc_smith | and grub was giving me huge headaches when combined with dump backups |
| 00:44.12 | JohnnyL | how many here installed nvidia drivers in debian? |
| 00:44.16 | JohnnyL | i mean who of course |
| 00:44.23 | Justin | !+ask to ask |
| 00:44.23 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 00:45.00 | JohnnyL | i need someone who has installed nvidia drivers, the question was asked and only non nvidia owners responded. DUH! |
| 00:46.07 | Justin | that's nice |
| 00:47.56 | wols_ | Justin: from your paste you already have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 00:48.15 | wols_ | JohnnyL: from your paste you already have the nvidia drivers installed |
| 00:48.36 | JohnnyL | then it must be sdl |
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| 00:48.54 | JohnnyL | i can't install glxgears though. it balks. |
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| 00:49.24 | wols_ | balks how? |
| 00:49.51 | kosaidpo | hello guys |
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| 00:50.19 | JohnnyL | wols_: http://pastie.org/5505203 |
| 00:50.25 | kosaidpo | how can i get the 6.06 version i do update and upgrade but it says no upgrade found |
| 00:50.56 | JohnnyL | opps |
| 00:51.01 | JohnnyL | that may not be the right paste. |
| 00:51.09 | JohnnyL | GIve me a simple opengl app to install. |
| 00:51.19 | JohnnyL | glxgears isn't found by my current sources.list. |
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| 00:51.53 | wols_ | JohnnyL: why do you have kernel 3.2? |
| 00:52.55 | wols_ | JohnnyL: you have sid packages and squeeze packages in the same installation. that cannot work |
| 00:53.22 | JohnnyL | wols_: yes |
| 00:53.32 | wols_ | !frankendebian |
| 00:53.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 00:53.44 | JohnnyL | wols_: oh, i have two installations on this hd. |
| 00:53.58 | wols_ | JohnnyL: then start fresh with a SINGLE installation |
| 00:54.14 | wols_ | and having 2 debians installed is no explanation for the mess you made |
| 00:54.16 | JohnnyL | wols_: yeah that'll happen. |
| 00:54.18 | Justin | glxgears is not a standalone package anymore, it's part of mesa-utils |
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| 00:56.01 | JohnnyL | Justin: http://pastie.org/5509002 |
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| 01:03.31 | JohnnyL | nevermind it works. |
| 01:03.33 | JohnnyL | must be sdl. |
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| 01:03.34 | JohnnyL | thanks guys. |
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| 01:05.17 | JohnnyL | there a way to get rid of that dependency warning? |
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| 01:09.14 | kosaidpo | guys i use lxde but i dont have the disk utility and i dont kno its name |
| 01:09.18 | kosaidpo | anynoe can help |
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| 01:09.33 | roboman2444 | kosaidpo, www.ubuntu.com |
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| 01:10.34 | kosaidpo | roboman2444: i im on debian squeeze with lxde and i dont kno the name of the disk utility i searched with apt-cache but nethin found |
| 01:11.14 | marc_smith | kosaidpo: try baobab, if that's what you want |
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| 01:11.39 | marc_smith | I don't think lxde comes with any disk utility by default, so it must be a distribution thing |
| 01:11.55 | kosaidpo | marc_smith: no what i want its an lxde app but its not installed even i installed the lxde environment |
| 01:12.29 | marc_smith | then I give up ;) happy hacking |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | what is a disk utility? |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | a file manager? |
| 01:14.30 | roboman2444 | kosaidpo, ubuntu is more useful for you than debian |
| 01:14.33 | kosaidpo | abrotman: noo to format usb drive and extrnel hard drive etc |
| 01:14.40 | abrotman | roboman2444: if you don't want to help, just be quiet |
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| 01:15.44 | kosaidpo | roboman2444: yehh abrotman thats correct i did not ask which distro is more friendly |
| 01:16.57 | roboman2444 | im just suggesting |
| 01:17.00 | roboman2444 | anyway, gparted |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | does parted do the filesystem formatting? |
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| 01:18.00 | abrotman | apparently so, using external tools |
| 01:18.30 | kosaidpo | yeh gparted its too heavy |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | kosaidpo: apt-cache search disk utility ? |
| 01:19.11 | civillian | !wheezy |
| 01:19.12 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 01:19.22 | kosaidpo | abrotman: already tried it but no ssuces |
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| 01:20.07 | abrotman | judd: info disk-manager |
| 01:20.09 | judd | Package disk-manager (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: simple graphical filesystem configurator. Version: 1.0.1-5; Size: 124.8k; Installed: 848k; Homepage: http://flomertens.free.fr/disk-manager/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/disk-manager |
| 01:20.15 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 01:20.50 | kosaidpo | i have this and its not really good |
| 01:21.27 | kosaidpo | anyway thanks for your help guys ill go to #lubuntu to ask for it ; ] |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:23.00 | kosaidpo | abrotman: the latest stable its 6.06 right ?? |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | kosaidpo: sure, but #lubuntu won't be able to help much? |
| 01:25.31 | kosaidpo | abrotman: yeh i kno i jsut wanna kno the package name thats al so i can install directly ;] and already done its gnome-disk-utility ;] |
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| 01:26.01 | abrotman | oh, they use that in lxde? |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | i knew about that... figured it was too much |
| 01:26.22 | kosaidpo | abrotman: im on squeeze 6.0 how can i get 6.06 when i do update;upgrade i get nehin |
| 01:27.07 | kosaidpo | abrotman: yeh lubuntu its based on ubuntu with the strict minimum so it last light weight |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | kosaidpo: aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:27.40 | buntunub | or apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 01:28.10 | buntunub | read somewhere that apt-get was the preferred method of doing things in squeeze onwards |
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| 01:29.35 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | apt-get is preferred for dist-upgrades between major versions of debian, in most situation |
| 01:29.55 | abrotman | s |
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| 01:31.15 | kosaidpo | abrotman: i read on the web its not good to use both apt-get and aptitude and i use apt-get |
| 01:31.15 | kosaidpo | you sure theres no harm doin so ? |
| 01:31.15 | kosaidpo | cus when i do apt-get update ;apt-get upgrade nethin is done |
| 01:31.23 | kosaidpo | abrotman: yeh i do dist-upgrade too but nethin hapen i guess i need to add some line to my source list is it ?? |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | kosaidpo: you may already be on 6.0.6 .. |
| 01:31.43 | kosaidpo | on debian site i read it somewhere but cant find it again |
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| 01:32.03 | kosaidpo | abrotman: when i do cat /etc/issue i get 6 only |
| 01:32.04 | iamtheric | probably already on 6.0.6 |
| 01:32.20 | buntunub | yea same thing happens to me kosaidpo but thats because im already on 6.06!! |
| 01:32.28 | kosaidpo | and the lsb_release cant install it |
| 01:32.29 | iamtheric | i do too |
| 01:32.36 | iamtheric | but i know im running 6.0.6 |
| 01:32.43 | kosaidpo | ohh goo to kno |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | kosaidpo: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:34.05 | kosaidpo | abrotman: here you go http://pastie.org/5509089 |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | kosaidpo: right, looks good ... aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade (or even dist-upgrade) should be fine |
| 01:35.15 | buntunub | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 201 |
| 01:35.19 | buntunub | hint.. hint |
| 01:35.39 | buntunub | i see you have backports in there too |
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| 01:36.19 | abrotman | it's commented out .. hint hint |
| 01:36.21 | kosaidpo | abrotman: yeh but i get nethin when i type em buntunub i never payed attention to that line |
| 01:36.56 | buntunub | yea noticed that too... probably means hes been playing around in there though |
| 01:37.46 | buntunub | last I checked.. Backports sources dont come with a clean install |
| 01:38.25 | kosaidpo | yeh i ll take em off since thers no utiltiy so far to get some debs |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | his sources look fine now |
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| 01:40.09 | kosaidpo | guys i have another problem well for now i have no sound if i reboot ill get |
| 01:40.25 | kosaidpo | its so random sometimes i get it sometimes not |
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| 01:41.30 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.05 | pce | i would like to setup a server for web,mail,mysql should i make a big /var portion or can i move this thinks to /home or someone else ? |
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| 01:43.55 | dvs | pce: I'd make a big /var partition |
| 01:44.00 | kosaidpo | buntunub: http://pastie.org/5509123 here you go |
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| 01:45.11 | pce | dvs: ok, thank you |
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| 01:45.45 | shadedpixel | Would you guys reccomend Debian Stable or Testing for a desktop environment? This is for an older PC. |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | define 'older' |
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| 01:46.17 | dvs | 386? |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | 286? |
| 01:46.34 | dvs | doh! |
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| 01:46.49 | shadedpixel | abrotman: Pentium 4, 512MB of RAM |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | shadedpixel: either would be fine for that |
| 01:47.24 | shadedpixel | abrotman: Testing is what will be debian sid right? |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:47.46 | shadedpixel | oh, jessie |
| 01:47.57 | shadedpixel | wait, no lol |
| 01:48.00 | dvs | no |
| 01:48.11 | somiaj | shadedpixel: my suggestion, use stable + backports unless there is some software you want/need that isn't availaible via that. |
| 01:48.14 | dvs | !wheezy |
| 01:48.14 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | shadedpixel: testing is currently wheezy |
| 01:48.39 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Remind me what backports is? |
| 01:49.03 | somiaj | shadedpixel: newer software complied against the squeeze libaries |
| 01:49.18 | somiaj | shadedpixel: so you can have some things that are newer but still have the advantage of a stable core |
| 01:50.09 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Cool, and is this just somthing i add to the sources file? |
| 01:50.29 | somiaj | shadedpixel: correct |
| 01:51.00 | somiaj | shadedpixel: backports.debian.org will give you more info. And backports do not install by default, you have to explicatlly ask for them, apt-get -t squeeze-backports install foo |
| 01:51.26 | shadedpixel | somiaj: Thanks, im off to replace windows xp >_< |
| 01:51.39 | gnarface | good luck shadedpixel! |
| 01:52.18 | shadedpixel | gnarface: Thanks, I have my home server running debian so it should be smooth sailing :) |
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| 02:28.57 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: wheezy pool 1 |
| 02:28.58 | dpkg | ! rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
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| 02:29.25 | abrotman | hasn't lost yet! |
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| 02:36.29 | loko1 | Hello, Just installed wheezy and i can only scan wireless when i disable eth0. is there any easy fix for this |
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| 03:37.12 | asulil | good night all |
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| 03:52.45 | JohnnyL | Can you install dual boot Debian on an already fully allocated windows 8 machine? |
| 03:52.48 | JohnnyL | safely? |
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| 03:53.17 | un214 | well there's two ways |
| 03:53.30 | un214 | the way that comes to mind as immediately supported is on a usb stick |
| 03:54.02 | un214 | there's the way of installing to a big file inside an ntfs partition but I dont' think the installer can do it |
| 03:54.24 | JohnnyL | ok, yeah, but I don't want to take up a usb, i suppose i can do cd, but i won't be able to save settings? |
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| 03:55.44 | un214 | windows 8 can shrink a partition from disk manager |
| 03:56.00 | JohnnyL | oh ok |
| 03:56.09 | JohnnyL | I guess I can play around with it since it'll be a new machine |
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| 03:56.49 | JohnnyL | the only reason for 8, is because reaper is slow or a pain in linux. |
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| 04:16.23 | maher | i installed an otf font - how can i actually view it to see which characters it has? |
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| 04:20.44 | ManoftheSea | JohnnyL: Ubuntu can install in a loopback on NTFS... so I'd have to assume Debian can. |
| 04:21.05 | un214 | I'm sure it can be done but I'm equally sure the installer doesn't have the right scripts |
| 04:21.06 | ManoftheSea | sorry, I was stuck in the backlog. |
| 04:21.23 | ManoftheSea | bah, installer. LiveCD is my installer. |
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| 04:21.26 | un214 | if you can get a CD with the right tools, debootstrap would finish the job once it's set up |
| 04:21.28 | JohnnyL | ubuntu spys on users and calls home. |
| 04:21.47 | ManoftheSea | I didn't suggest using ubuntu, just that they're a linux that can do ti. |
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| 04:22.04 | un214 | actually that's a good trick |
| 04:22.20 | un214 | install ubuntu, debootstrap debian in a jail, use the trick to switch the identity once installed |
| 04:23.04 | ManoftheSea | heck... use Ubuntu to install, then loopback mount the file and debootstrap into the file |
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| 04:23.50 | ManoftheSea | The ubuntu setup is gonna mount the file and run init in it. |
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| 04:24.06 | ManoftheSea | Should be the same init location as Debian, right? |
| 04:24.11 | un214 | it is |
| 04:24.30 | un214 | but the debootstrap install has to be fiddled to work |
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| 05:14.50 | JohnnyL | manofthesea: you didn't suggest Ubuntu, only that Ubuntu can. |
| 05:15.01 | JohnnyL | Glad you don't work in marketing! |
| 05:15.04 | JohnnyL | <chuckle> |
| 05:15.57 | JohnnyL | maybe i should hook up my floppy drive and mount it as /etc! |
| 05:15.58 | JohnnyL | ha! |
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| 05:17.12 | somiaj | that sounds dangerous |
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| 05:51.18 | IrcDroidClient | why does debian look like an old desktop on my computer? unlike ubuntu and mint that look have better looking Gui |
| 05:53.36 | MrFrood | IrcDroidClient: I'm guessing you are using the default squeeze gnome install? |
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| 05:54.40 | IrcDroidClient | yes. i installed xfce after all, but I think is an old version too |
| 05:55.29 | madmuppet | how can I install the linux-headers-3.2.0-3-amd64 I have tried using linux-headers-amd64 but it is not compatible with the ati driver I am trying to install |
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| 05:56.26 | MrFrood | IrcDroidClient: Debain focoses on stability, so major upgrades are few and far between, wheezy when it is released early next year will use gnome3 |
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| 05:57.52 | IrcDroidClient | MrFrood which version are you using? |
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| 06:00.07 | MrFrood | wheezy but I don't use gnome |
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| 06:06.14 | Posterdati | hi |
| 06:06.29 | Posterdati | is there any ups client for nut in wheezy? Tx |
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| 06:10.04 | MrFrood | Posterdati: yes |
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| 06:10.10 | Posterdati | ? |
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| 06:10.35 | MrFrood | yes there are such clients in wheezy |
| 06:11.02 | Posterdati | MrFrood: which one? I use to install knutclient, but it disappeared from wheezy repository |
| 06:11.07 | MrFrood | Posterdati: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nut-client |
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| 06:11.40 | Posterdati | MrFrood: it is not graphical |
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| 06:13.42 | MrFrood | no idea, but if youlook at Similar packages section on that page you may find what you are after |
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| 06:37.07 | fishcooker | is there any scrum methodology on debian desktop |
| 06:37.09 | fishcooker | ? |
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| 06:50.23 | aah | Hi. Why are none of the mirrors for libimobiledevice1 working? |
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| 07:13.55 | UNDERPRESSURE | hi |
| 07:14.00 | UNDERPRESSURE | I have a Debian query |
| 07:14.06 | UNDERPRESSURE | would anyone want to help me |
| 07:14.18 | UNDERPRESSURE | HELLO |
| 07:14.44 | tralala | !ask |
| 07:14.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:15.01 | UNDERPRESSURE | Okay |
| 07:15.04 | UNDERPRESSURE | Just a warning |
| 07:15.12 | UNDERPRESSURE | I like to express my questions through song and interpretive dance |
| 07:15.30 | UNDERPRESSURE | This might take a while |
| 07:15.33 | UNDERPRESSURE | let's get this party started |
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| 07:16.02 | UNDERPRESSURE | UMBDAAAA |
| 07:16.04 | UNDERPRESSURE | BUMMDAAADDAAA |
| 07:16.08 | UNDERPRESSURE | PRESSURE |
| 07:16.12 | UNDERPRESSURE | PUSHING DOWN ON ME |
| 07:16.16 | UNDERPRESSURE | PRESSING DOWN ON YOU |
| 07:16.23 | UNDERPRESSURE | UNDER PRESSURE |
| 07:16.26 | UNDERPRESSURE | THAT BURNS A BUILDING DOWN |
| 07:16.28 | UNDERPRESSURE | SPLITS A FAMILY IN TWO |
| 07:16.30 | gabedwrds | ... |
| 07:16.32 | UNDERPRESSURE | PUTS PEOPLE ON STREETS |
| 07:16.34 | gabedwrds | Have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 07:16.35 | UNDERPRESSURE | UMBDAAAA |
| 07:16.39 | UNDERPRESSURE | UMBAAADDAAAA |
| 07:16.41 | UNDERPRESSURE | DAADDAAAA |
| 07:16.52 | UNDERPRESSURE | THATS THE TERROR OF KNOWING WHAT THIS WORLD IS ABOUT |
| 07:17.00 | UNDERPRESSURE | WATCHING SOME GOOD FRIENDS SCREAM LET ME OUT |
| 07:17.01 | tralala | UNDERPRESSURE, you'll get kicked out if you continue this |
| 07:17.10 | UNDERPRESSURE | but im just asking a question |
| 07:17.12 | UNDERPRESSURE | DADDAAA |
| 07:17.14 | tzarc | bet they don't |
| 07:17.18 | UNDERPRESSURE | through the magic of interpretive dance and song |
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| 07:17.48 | UNDERPRESSURE | DADDAAAYDAAA |
| 07:17.52 | UNDERPRESSURE | PEOPLE ON THE STREETS |
| 07:17.53 | tralala | UNDERPRESSURE, pastebin your song and give the link. Anyone interested will read it. |
| 07:17.54 | UNDERPRESSURE | DADDAAAYDAAA |
| 07:17.59 | UNDERPRESSURE | ITS THE TERROR OF KNOWING WH AT THIS WORLD IS ABOUT |
| 07:18.06 | UNDERPRESSURE | WATCHING SOME GOOD FRIENDS SCREAMING LET ME OUT |
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| 07:18.42 | UNDERPRESSURE | KEEP COMING UP WITH LOVE BUT ITS SO SLASHED AND TORN |
| 07:18.45 | UNDERPRESSURE | WHY WHY WHY???? |
| 07:18.51 | UNDERPRESSURE | AHHHHHHHHH |
| 07:18.53 | UNDERPRESSURE | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH |
| 07:18.55 | UNDERPRESSURE | LAAAAAAA |
| 07:18.56 | UNDERPRESSURE | LAAAAA |
| 07:19.04 | UNDERPRESSURE | INSANITY LAUGHS UNDER PRESSURE WE'RE CRACKING |
| 07:19.08 | UNDERPRESSURE | CANT WE GIVE OURSELVES ONE MORE CHANCE? |
| 07:19.13 | UNDERPRESSURE | WHY CANT WE GIVE LOVE THAT ONE MORE CHANCE? |
| 07:19.19 | UNDERPRESSURE | WHY CANT WE GIVE LOVE, GIVE LOVE, GIVE LOVE? |
| 07:19.22 | tralala | !ops UNDERPRESSURE is spamming |
| 07:19.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tralala complains about: UNDERPRESSURE is spamming |
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| 07:19.27 | UNDERPRESSURE | INSANITY LAUGHS |
| 07:19.30 | UNDERPRESSURE | UNDER PRESSURE |
| 07:19.32 | UNDERPRESSURE | WERE CRACKING |
| 07:19.36 | UNDERPRESSURE | CANT WE GIVE OURSEVELS ONE MORE CHANCE |
| 07:19.41 | UNDERPRESSURE | WHY CANT WE GIVE LOVE THAT ONE MNORE CHANCE? |
| 07:19.48 | UNDERPRESSURE | CAUSE LOVES SUCH AN OLD FASHIONED WORD |
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| 07:20.17 | BackEndCoder | guys erm... i am in shock here.... i was trying to tidy up my system using apt-get remove --purge... and something happened where my /home apartition seems to have reset everything in my /home/steve area |
| 07:20.29 | BackEndCoder | i didn't do a rm or anything silly |
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| 07:20.44 | BackEndCoder | i was listening to music via my samba share, and it stoppped working |
| 07:20.57 | BackEndCoder | i checked it out, and 130 gigs has gone missing from /home |
| 07:21.25 | BackEndCoder | i havn't been doing any mounting |
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| 07:21.35 | tralala | BackEndCoder, how's that related to the samba share? |
| 07:21.41 | BackEndCoder | maybe a uninstalled a package that forced an umount ? |
| 07:22.03 | tralala | is your /home a samba mount? |
| 07:22.05 | BackEndCoder | cause my music stopped worjing, i thought it deleted something relating to samba |
| 07:22.18 | gabedwrds | why not check `mount` and see if something was unmounted? |
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| 07:22.36 | BackEndCoder | cause thats a bit behond my knowledge |
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| 07:23.39 | tralala | BackEndCoder, is your /home a samba mount? |
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| 07:24.27 | BackEndCoder | no, my .home is not a samba mount |
| 07:24.42 | BackEndCoder | this is a fileserver, and i use to store my music over the network |
| 07:24.49 | gabedwrds | if you run "mount" in a terminal, you should at least be able to check for really obviously missing mounts |
| 07:24.59 | BackEndCoder | http://pastie.org/5509816 |
| 07:25.02 | BackEndCoder | this is interesting |
| 07:25.08 | BackEndCoder | there are 2 drives in this machine |
| 07:25.14 | BackEndCoder | both 160gig |
| 07:25.34 | BackEndCoder | sdb is a fresh debian install, sdb9 seems to be in /home ? |
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| 07:25.55 | BackEndCoder | has sdb9 mounted itself over sda9 ? |
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| 07:26.00 | tralala | it appears to be mounted twice |
| 07:26.11 | BackEndCoder | i havn't been playing with mounts, just uninstalling packages |
| 07:26.27 | BackEndCoder | cause i mounted it in /mnt/home like 4 hours ago to see what was on it |
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| 07:26.34 | BackEndCoder | but it seems to be showing me .home |
| 07:26.53 | tralala | try to unmount sdb9 |
| 07:27.56 | BackEndCoder | omfg |
| 07:27.59 | BackEndCoder | thanks guys |
| 07:28.17 | BackEndCoder | yes, it randomly decided to remount itsself all on its own, over /home |
| 07:28.23 | BackEndCoder | it seems like its back now |
| 07:28.36 | BackEndCoder | i was well panicing, that data is like 5 years old, all my music etc... wow |
| 07:28.40 | BackEndCoder | thanks for talking me thu it |
| 07:28.41 | gabedwrds | that's good news |
| 07:28.47 | gabedwrds | now go make some backups :) |
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| 07:29.00 | tralala | BackEndCoder, that was a gentle reminder to back your stuff up |
| 07:29.07 | BackEndCoder | i still have no idea why the 2nd drive would have changed it mount point all on its own |
| 07:29.18 | BackEndCoder | yeah wow, thanks guys |
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| 07:51.08 | ectospasm | does anyone know of a clipboard manager which can handle UTF-8? I've tried parcellite, clipit, klipper, clipman, they all fail copying or pasting non-ASCII characters. My locale is set to en_US.UTF-8, and urxvt can display non-ASCII, but I can't copy (primary selection + clipboard) or paste any non-ASCII characters... |
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| 07:58.33 | Rusher20x | hi |
| 07:58.38 | Rusher20x | i got a question |
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| 07:58.54 | MrFrood | so ask... |
| 07:59.19 | neon__ | I am trying to control the fan with fancontrol, but I don't find how to make it control non pwm fans |
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| 08:00.34 | Rusher20x | is there debian for infotmic arm processor? |
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| 08:01.46 | MrFrood | Rusher20x: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:01.59 | Rusher20x | thanks |
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| 08:11.17 | tralala | ectospasm, that's really strange. It works fine on my debian squeeze. |
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| 08:12.13 | tralala | ectospasm, perhaps your locale isn't set properly. |
| 08:12.16 | ectospasm | tralala: aha! It's something with urxvt... |
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| 08:12.25 | ectospasm | tralala: it's set properly, I just checked |
| 08:12.33 | neon__ | I did "find . | less" and found out that it doesn't show all the files in the path. I thought 'find .' traverse all directories and files |
| 08:12.41 | tralala | I just tested with urxvt and it was fine. |
| 08:12.54 | ectospasm | neon__: only the current directory |
| 08:13.16 | ectospasm | neon__: that's what '.' means |
| 08:13.27 | tralala | neon__, in the path(s) you specify |
| 08:13.38 | neon__ | ectospasm, I thought it also search subdirs |
| 08:13.49 | tralala | it does |
| 08:13.54 | ectospasm | neon__: it does, but it depends on what $PWD is |
| 08:14.12 | jelly-home | neon__: it does not follow symlinks by default |
| 08:14.12 | neon__ | i am in /var/lib |
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| 08:14.29 | jelly-home | and of course it has to obey permissions |
| 08:14.51 | neon__ | I did it as root. |
| 08:15.07 | neon__ | adding -L showed more results. So it probably was a symlink |
| 08:15.20 | jelly-home | probably? |
| 08:15.43 | jelly-home | you can use find to confirm it! |
| 08:16.26 | neon__ | yes it is a symlnk to share |
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| 08:18.21 | ectospasm | tralala: thanks, you helped much. I needed to add "use utf8" to my urxvt clipboard Perl code... |
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| 08:18.42 | tralala | ectospasm, I'm glad you figured it out. |
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| 09:19.08 | dFence | quick question: kernel-config CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH should point to /sbin/udevd - right? |
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| 09:28.45 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 09:30.26 | mcgreg | "since always" I have been doing this "./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --disable-egl --disable-glu --disable-glw --with-dri-drivers= --with-gallium-drivers=r600 --libdir=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu --enable-gallium-g3dvl --enable-vdpau --enable-xvmc --enable-texture-float" to start configure of mesa - now I am getting a "bash: ./autogen.sh: Permission denied" - is this a mesa specific error or rather somethign else? |
| 09:30.57 | HS^^ | why does debian install mysql default with myisam instead of innoDB and why in latin1 instead of utf8?? |
| 09:30.59 | mcgreg | I have checked the script - it still is "executable" |
| 09:31.04 | HS^^ | this is causng me a lot of trouble now |
| 09:31.08 | HS^^ | to convert this....... |
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| 09:33.26 | frikinz | mcgreg: what type of filesystem is this? |
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| 09:36.17 | mcgreg | frikinz: ext4 |
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| 09:37.06 | mcgreg | frikinz: /dev/sdc1 on /home type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered) |
| 09:37.18 | frikinz | noexec.. |
| 09:37.31 | bniels | HS^^: MyISAM is also upstream's default for create table. you could have specified a different storage engine when you created the table |
| 09:38.14 | frikinz | mcgreg: with noexec you won't be able to easily call binaries. Is this an external disk for /home ? |
| 09:38.21 | mcgreg | frikinz: I think I found the problem , by mistake I've set the mount otpions to user - this must have changed it |
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| 09:40.20 | geoffr | Hi all, is there a way to specify that a build dependency's repo ? I want a package to come from my own repo without having to pin it in my cow's preference |
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| 09:41.41 | HS^^ | bniels i read myISAM is not so safe and can cause data corruption easier |
| 09:41.45 | HS^^ | compared to innoDB |
| 09:41.47 | HS^^ | is that true? |
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| 09:42.05 | mcgreg | frikinz: fixed, thank you! |
| 09:42.34 | frikinz | mcgreg: np :) you can set options to only "defaults" |
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| 09:42.47 | bniels | HS^^ it depends on what you use it for. it has no atomic transactions and can not lock single records. if you need any of those, you probably need InnoDB. for simple setups, MyISAM is often sufficient |
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| 09:48.44 | neon__ | I found this site that tells how to slow down the nvidia fan speed |
| 09:48.48 | neon__ | http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1128675&mpage=1 |
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| 09:49.51 | neon__ | But when I added the options it had to my xorg.conf, gdm didn't start |
| 09:50.29 | neon__ | under "Device" they said to add : Options "Coolbits" "5" |
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| 09:53.02 | neon__ | xorg.0.log has Fatal server error: no screens found. (WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor |
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| 09:55.59 | mcgreg | how many threads should I use on a amd fx8350? still the usual "cores+1"? |
| 09:56.11 | mcgreg | for compiling |
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| 09:58.26 | _KaszpiR_ | logical cores+1 |
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| 09:59.17 | _KaszpiR_ | mcgreg 9 |
| 09:59.43 | mcgreg | _KaszpiR_: thanks |
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| 10:04.03 | blz37 | while inside vim, I did ctrl+z . When I do "ps", it is still there. How can I bring it back ? "fg" doesn't work. "jobs" doesn't show anything. |
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| 10:09.04 | loko1 | i like chicken |
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| 10:12.06 | ChrisH | blz37: did you made changes in the file opened in vi? |
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| 10:20.21 | frikinz | mcgreg: /var/run, /var/lock ? |
| 10:20.55 | mcgreg | since I reinstalled my debian system copying from my internal ext4 hdd to my external ntfs hdd is very very slow - it only does 2-5MB/s - any ideas what could be wrong? (it used to be more like 20-30MB/S) |
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| 10:22.04 | mcgreg | frikinz: I could achieve it by adding tmpfs /var/run tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0 and ... /var/lock to /etc/fstab? |
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| 10:24.37 | frikinz | mcgreg: actually its already the case on my system when looking at mount. probably an initscript |
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| 10:28.56 | frikinz | mcgreg: /etc/default/tmpfs, /lib/init/mount-functions.sh I'm running unstable, don't know if its in stable. |
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| 10:38.39 | neon | #vmware |
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| 10:40.04 | mcgreg | frikinz: ahh I see. I am running unstable too |
| 10:40.14 | mcgreg | thx for that tip |
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| 10:46.43 | jimmy_ | ciao |
| 10:47.01 | jimmy_ | !list |
| 10:47.02 | dpkg | jimmy_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 10:57.18 | bartocc | hi all |
| 10:57.38 | bartocc | apt-get install vim gave me vim 7.2. Is there a way to install 7.3 with the package manager ? |
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| 10:58.28 | jelly | ,v vim |
| 10:58.29 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-6; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-6 |
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| 10:59.15 | jelly | bartocc: not for Debian 6, at least not from official repositories |
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| 10:59.29 | bartocc | thx jelly |
| 10:59.55 | bartocc | would you recommend intalling from source ? |
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| 11:01.07 | ChrisH | bartocc: is it sns or has 7.3 a feature you need? |
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| 11:01.57 | bartocc | ChrisH: I want to instal the vim Janus distro that you can find here |
| 11:01.57 | bartocc | https://github.com/carlhuda/janus |
| 11:01.59 | bartocc | very usefull |
| 11:02.07 | bartocc | it requires vim >=7.3 |
| 11:02.08 | tralala | bartocc, either from backports or you have to build the package yourself |
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| 11:07.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell bartocc -about ssb |
| 11:08.13 | bartocc | babilen: could you clarify this please ? ;-) |
| 11:09.43 | babilen | bartocc: Oh, sure :) |
| 11:10.13 | BackEndCoder | hi my swap space has gone missing |
| 11:10.13 | babilen | bartocc: It is simply the procedure to create a backport of a package in sid for squeeze. |
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| 11:10.29 | BackEndCoder | but its in a LVM any help on remounting it or finding out why its missing ? |
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| 11:11.18 | dFence | since when is multistrap not auto-solving dependencies? I added a couple of packages and now it won't install (selected) dependencies oO |
| 11:11.23 | bartocc | thx babilen |
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| 11:11.47 | milo64 | what are the desktop choices that debian 7 provides? |
| 11:12.26 | ChrisH | BackEndCoder: I assme you checked cat /proc/swaps to make sure swap is not active. Does sudo lvs show the lv for swap? |
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| 11:12.59 | wols | milo64: all of them basically |
| 11:13.07 | BackEndCoder | swapon /dev/mapper/HU-swap done and dusted |
| 11:13.13 | milo64 | wols: list |
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| 11:13.20 | BackEndCoder | i have been having issues with mounts disapearing and changing |
| 11:13.21 | babilen | bartocc: Let me know if you need further information -- I was merely thinking that you could backport vim that way. Another option would, however, be to switch to testing/wheezy, but that is definitely overkill if you only want vim. Wheezy also hasn't been released and isn't an option in many situations due to a number of reasons such as missing security support, ... |
| 11:13.22 | BackEndCoder | but this was another machine |
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| 11:13.45 | wols | milo64: great attitude. good luck |
| 11:13.47 | babilen | milo64: Desktop as in desktop environment? |
| 11:14.01 | milo64 | wols: ¿una lista de los escritorios, por favor? |
| 11:14.53 | bartocc | babilen: indeed, moving to wheezy is not an option. I am going to try and build vim from source |
| 11:15.05 | babilen | milo64: You can google it yourself. Wikipedia has quite a comprehensive list of Desktop Environment and a large subset of them is packaged in Debian |
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| 11:16.18 | babilen | bartocc: Just wanted to mention it. All the build dependencies of vim (from sid) are satisfied in squeeze + backports, so backporting the package might just be very easy. Please note that *you* have to backport newer versions from sid if you want them in the future. |
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| 11:18.53 | neon__ | I get "nsmasq: failed to bind DHCP server socket: Address already in use" but I don't see any port 67 on 'netstat -an' |
| 11:20.04 | bartocc | I cannot find a package that would solve the following error |
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| 11:20.04 | bartocc | You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses |
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| 11:20.29 | babilen | bartocc: When do you get that error? What have you done until then? |
| 11:20.29 | bartocc | any idea on a package name ? |
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| 11:20.45 | bartocc | during the "make" of vim 7.3 |
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| 11:20.53 | bartocc | during the config I believe |
| 11:21.10 | bartocc | checking for tgetent in -lncurses... no |
| 11:21.15 | bartocc | checking for tgetent in -ltermlib... no |
| 11:21.16 | bartocc | ... |
| 11:21.22 | babilen | bartocc: May I see the complete output + all commands before. I take it that you've installed the build dependencies of vim (Step 3 in "/msg dpkg ssb") |
| 11:21.22 | bartocc | no terminal library found |
| 11:21.26 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net please |
| 11:22.01 | bartocc | babilen: I haven't seen this step 3. gonna check |
| 11:22.20 | archetech | on fresh deb6 I added an intel gb pci nic and disabled the onboard one cuz its bad now the network wont start |
| 11:22.26 | babilen | bartocc: Just follow that procedure (replace "packagename" with "vim" though) |
| 11:23.19 | archetech | is there a procedure to get this new nic working lspci shows the driver loaded |
| 11:23.22 | babilen | archetech: Could you elaborate on "Won't start" please? How do you configure your network? Is the interface listed in "ifconfig -a" ? |
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| 11:23.37 | archetech | static in intewrfaces |
| 11:23.55 | archetech | interfaces file is standard static setup |
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| 11:24.15 | bniels | it's likely eth1 and he expects it to be eth0 |
| 11:24.33 | babilen | bniels: That is my suspicion as well |
| 11:24.53 | archetech | so do a ifup eth1? |
| 11:25.07 | babilen | archetech: Could you show us your /etc/network/interfaces, the output of "ifconfig -a" on pdn please? |
| 11:25.12 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net == pdn :) |
| 11:25.50 | babilen | archetech: Throw in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (remove MAC addresses if you want) for extra points |
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| 11:29.41 | babilen | archetech: ping |
| 11:30.25 | archetech | that box has no internet to paste |
| 11:31.29 | bniels | so let's query him ;) archetech, does your "ifconfig -a" show eth0, eth1 or both of them? |
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| 11:32.47 | babilen | archetech: Ah, that complicates creating a paste. Then just answer questions: 1. Is the static interface you configured in /e/n/i eth0 ? 2. Do you have eth1 listed in "ifconfig -a" 3. Do you have two entries for NICs in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and do they correspond to the old and the new NIC? (check MAC addresses) |
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| 11:33.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell archetech -about 70 |
| 11:33.54 | babilen | archetech: ^^^ both bniels and I suspect that ^^^ to be the problem, but we are not (yet) sure |
| 11:34.00 | archetech | 2 entries in the 70-pers file I tried commenting it out and restarting the networking |
| 11:34.13 | archetech | it being the old nic |
| 11:34.27 | archetech | only lo comes up |
| 11:34.53 | babilen | archetech: Please read the PM dpkg just sent you -- You can remove the entry of the old NIC (or comment it), change the *other* one to use eth0 (if that is indeed the interface you use) and then run "udevadm trigger" |
| 11:35.15 | archetech | ifconfig -a shows no eth0 but an eth1 |
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| 11:35.53 | babilen | archetech: From then on "ifconfig -a" should show eth0 again and "ifup -a", "ifup eth0" or "service networking restart" should bring up your interface. |
| 11:36.22 | babilen | archetech: After you've executed "udevadm trigger" and made the changes I just mentioned? |
| 11:36.26 | bniels | babilen, i just wanted to make sure if the first NIC was properly disabled ;) |
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| 11:37.02 | babilen | bniels: Yeah, and rightfully so. Just wanted to make sure that this is really the problem :) |
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| 11:39.28 | archetech | did the above and rebooting |
| 11:40.15 | babilen | … and? |
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| 11:42.58 | archetech | all set thnaks guys |
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| 11:43.01 | archetech | thks |
| 11:44.03 | babilen | great :) |
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| 11:48.37 | yang | I need a LIVE CD (Debian) with dd, fdisk, gzip, mkswap, mkfs, mkfs.xfs ... ? |
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| 11:49.01 | bniels | archetech, debian tries to keep interface names (like eth0, eth1, etc.) stable when adding new NICs or removing old. so when you remove one and add another, the second one won't automatically move up to take the place of the first. the reason for doing this is that otherwise it might easily horribly mix up network setups when changing the hardware and the names aren't stable |
| 11:49.26 | yang | does it contain all that ? |
| 11:51.35 | milo64 | babilen: how can you quickly type the "..."? |
| 11:52.02 | wols | yang: I think even a debian installer should have them |
| 11:52.10 | milo64 | when i wanna do: ... i always get ... not,
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| 11:52.45 | yang | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.5-i386-rescue.iso this one would be fine ? |
| 11:52.58 | bniels | milo64, Compose, then ., then . <- works for me. requires a Compose key to be configured, tho |
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| 11:53.46 | milo64 | bniels: okay... |
| 11:54.51 | bniels | some irc clients might autoreplace ... with …, too |
| 11:55.54 | yang | wols: grepping the .packages doesnt seem to have fdisk,mkswap,mkfs... |
| 11:56.06 | yang | maybe those are at different package ?* |
| 11:56.34 | wols | how would an installer work that's missing mkfs? |
| 11:56.49 | wols | the bits on the drive all arrange themselves like magic? |
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| 11:57.22 | wols | if you totally want to make sure, download a netinst and start it in a VM. you will immediately find out if everything you need is there |
| 11:57.25 | babilen | yang: You probably want a live CD (such as http://live.debian.net/ which offers various flavours, or GRML or ...) |
| 11:57.42 | yang | yes, babilen look at my earlier link |
| 11:58.18 | babilen | yang: Yeah, that one should be absolutely fine. |
| 11:58.20 | yang | thankjs |
| 11:58.37 | babilen | yang: I personally prefer GRML, but that might just be due to historic reasons. |
| 11:59.41 | milo64 | is: intel rapid start technology on the dell a driver/software on Windows? < |
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| 12:03.19 | milo64 | Hi! |
| 12:03.50 | milo64 | I am here |
| 12:03.51 | milo64 | Milo64 here |
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| 12:06.11 | ectospasm | milo64: hello! |
| 12:06.13 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 12:06.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:06.22 | milo64 | hi |
| 12:06.40 | milo64 | ectospasm: i've asked. |
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| 12:06.42 | milo64 | intel rapid start technology on the dell a driver/software on Windows? |
| 12:07.01 | ectospasm | milo64: that's a question? |
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| 12:07.22 | milo64 | yes |
| 12:07.29 | milo64 | is it? |
| 12:07.30 | ectospasm | not parsing for me |
| 12:07.47 | ectospasm | you may be missing some conjugation of the verb "to be" |
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| 12:08.15 | milo64 | right |
| 12:08.19 | ectospasm | milo64: and also, this is a Debian channel, we cannot answer anything about windows. (or at least, I can't) |
| 12:08.27 | milo64 | OKay, ectospasm |
| 12:08.54 | ectospasm | you might try #windows |
| 12:09.00 | ectospasm | ...but that's just a guess |
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| 12:21.55 | mcgreg | hmm whats wromg when the "Reading package lists..." is extremely slow ... like 1% each 2 second |
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| 12:22.12 | Armand | Slow drive ? |
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| 12:22.36 | mcgreg | Armand: it's a SSD drive :) |
| 12:22.40 | montreux_ | Hi, does some is using reprepro? |
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| 12:23.20 | Armand | mcgreg, can you cancel and do a 'clean' first? see if that makes any difference? |
| 12:24.17 | mcgreg | I did, and no, no difference - and actually it even is 1% each 8 seconds |
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| 12:26.17 | mcgreg | hmm I did some changes during runtime - I'll reboot and see if it still persists |
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| 12:26.45 | bluenemo | when i `service networking restart` it tells me that /etc/init.d/networking restart is depricated. what isnt then :) ? |
| 12:27.10 | Armand | mcgreg, worth a try |
| 12:27.18 | wols | ifdown -a, ifup -a ? |
| 12:27.19 | tralala | bluenemo, invoke-rc.d perhaps |
| 12:27.39 | wols | tralala: wouldn't that call networking restart again? which is deprecated |
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| 12:28.00 | bluenemo | tralala, nope that is also showing this warning |
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| 12:28.44 | tralala | wols, yes, I was thinking that service is the deprecated bit. |
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| 12:29.42 | tralala | bluenemo, perhaps the package's documentation will have info what to use instead |
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| 12:30.43 | babilen | bluenemo: Just keep on using it, as it is not *really* deprecated. The reason for this message is that the combination of "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" will take *all* active interfaces down, but will activate only those with an "auto IFACE" stanza in /e/n/i |
| 12:30.44 | babilen | bluenemo: The result of that is that the set of interfaces might be different after a "restart" -- The "non-deprecated" way is to "ifdown IFACE1 ; ifdown IFACE2 … ; ifup IFACE1 ifup IFACE2 … " |
| 12:30.48 | babilen | bluenemo: The wording is a bit, well, unfortunate |
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| 12:31.30 | bluenemo | ah i see. thanks a lot babilen |
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| 12:32.44 | babilen | bluenemo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565187 -- You can safely keep on using "service networking restart" and ignore that message. Just be aware of the reason you get it (I think the wording is suboptimal to say the least as it seems to imply that there is a better alternative) |
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| 12:33.29 | babilen | bluenemo: And it really is unclear what /better/ means in this case. One might argue that /restart/ implies that the configuration is the same as before, which might be violated in this case ... but meh |
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| 12:34.33 | bluesm_ | hi |
| 12:34.35 | bluesm_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:35.21 | jelly | babilen: you could say the reason for that message was the maintainer being his usual git |
| 12:35.25 | mcgreg | Armand|AFK: works normal again |
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| 12:36.06 | babilen | jelly: Indeed - MD at his best (cf. #d-offtopic on oftc) |
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| 12:37.24 | bluesm_ | ? |
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| 12:38.33 | jelly | you don't want to know, in all likelihood |
| 12:39.30 | bluesm_ | jelly: I just wonder if this is possible programatically... |
| 12:39.38 | jelly | bluesm_: no, there's no process, but there's at least two ways to immediately poweroff the system |
| 12:39.45 | bluenemo | bluesm, you kann try to kill init, but that wont shutdown your system i think |
| 12:39.46 | dcherniv_ | bluesm_, root 1 0.0 0.0 2280 724 ? Ss Dec10 0:01 init [2] that would this guy |
| 12:40.06 | dcherniv_ | bluesm_, in general on any unix system kill -9 1 |
| 12:40.19 | bluenemo | that halts the system?? |
| 12:40.21 | jelly | dcherniv_: no, killing init wouldn't power off a Linux installation |
| 12:40.23 | bluenemo | trying in a vm :D |
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| 12:40.38 | dcherniv_ | jelly, hm... |
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| 12:41.06 | jelly | bluesm_: what's your real issue? |
| 12:41.22 | dcherniv_ | jelly, yea you're right |
| 12:41.56 | jelly | dcherniv_: try not to give incorrect advice in a support channel |
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| 12:42.25 | babilen | bluesm_: Just read the bug report I linked earlier |
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| 12:43.13 | bluesm_ | babilen : wchich link ? |
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| 12:43.28 | jelly | babilen: the other blue* dude |
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| 12:43.57 | jelly | !tell bluesm_ about sysrq |
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| 12:46.35 | bartocc | babilen: I've followed this instructions from the dpkg bot to use sid |
| 12:46.55 | jelly | bluesm_: doing Sysrq+o action is one way |
| 12:46.58 | bartocc | apt-get -b source vim fails with the following error |
| 12:47.06 | bartocc | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblua5.1-dev |
| 12:47.23 | jargon | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/14mgjs/is_there_something_you_need_to_tell_me_debian/ |
| 12:47.25 | bartocc | I have ran aptitude build-dep vim though |
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| 12:48.34 | wols | bartocc: is liblua5-1.dev available in your debian branch? |
| 12:48.59 | bartocc | well, i've intalled it manually |
| 12:49.00 | bartocc | wols, yep |
| 12:49.07 | bartocc | just installed it |
| 12:49.16 | babilen | bartocc: ^^^ :) |
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| 12:49.25 | bartocc | I was just surprised that aptitude build-dep vim did not install it |
| 12:50.01 | bartocc | believe me guys, swiching form OS X, centOS and Debian is not always easy :D |
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| 12:50.53 | bartocc | hopefully, I don't have to swich from windows as well ^^ |
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| 12:51.43 | bluesm_ | Hi. |
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| 12:51.57 | bluesm_ | What have you said? I have connection problem, sorry... |
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| 12:53.41 | dtcrshr | hello! iv downloaded skype via its site, choosing the .deb 12 that says its multiarch. Im on debian 64, but gdebi claimed its the wrong architecture, is there a way to hack this to install skype 4? |
| 12:54.55 | dtcrshr | im afraid if I use dpkg to add the i386 architecture |
| 12:55.37 | babilen | dtcrshr: Just follow http://wiki.debian.org/skype -- If you run into problems paste your commands and their output. I assume that you are running wheezy and that you'll follow amd64 multiarch instructions |
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| 13:02.31 | woshty | babilen: btw is there a way to temporarily hide all :386 packages for normal aptitude operations? |
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| 13:06.59 | babilen | woshty: No idea really |
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| 13:12.02 | bluesm_ | Hi. |
| 13:12.07 | Armand | mcgreg, you did a complete restart? |
| 13:12.21 | bluesm_ | How to nmap whole network and, save only ip adresses, to file ? |
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| 13:13.10 | jelly | bluesm_: [Re: power off] doing Sysrq+o action is one way to force an immediate poweroff |
| 13:13.15 | jelly | !tell bluesm_ about sysrq |
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| 13:15.53 | bluesm_ | jelly: What is this a key ? |
| 13:16.01 | dtcrshr | thanks babilen ill follow that. |
| 13:16.18 | jelly | bluesm_: read what dpkg tells you in the private message |
| 13:17.06 | niervol | hello all. i'm facing a very strange bug. after unsucsessfull copy using ssh in 'mc' to remote machine my disk remains used up. there is temporary file/s in /tmp/mc-root directory. after restart and removing this dir i still have some strange storage usage. i'm using lvm. please see details: http://pastebin.com/HnQS7J0f |
| 13:17.12 | jelly | bluesm_: it's a key combo but can be done programatically as well via echoing to /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 13:22.07 | bluesm_ | Hi what have you said |
| 13:22.15 | bluesm_ | I've done it |
| 13:22.17 | ChrisH | niervol: How do you copy to the remote filesystem? scp? Did you verify the files are on the remote side using eg. cksum? I do not use mc and do not know how 'cached' mc does copy the files |
| 13:22.17 | bluesm_ | :P |
| 13:22.27 | bluesm_ | sysrq +po |
| 13:22.29 | bluesm_ | sorry. |
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| 13:24.28 | niervol | from 'mc' in right tab i've created ssh connection and then pressed 'F5' for copy. this uses fish. I don't need to use 'mc' anymore to do copying, but i'd like to get rid off the remaining data from unsuccessful copy |
| 13:24.38 | jelly | bluesm_: I didn't say to do it, I sad "go read the docs" |
| 13:24.40 | niervol | ChrisH: |
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| 13:27.25 | Andy1978 | what program is "dch"? Its used but not found:"dch --local='+custom' "custom build on: `uname -a`"" |
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| 13:27.39 | Andy1978 | tried already with "apt-file search dch" |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | and what'd you find? |
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| 13:28.58 | abrotman | judd: file bin/dch --release squeeze |
| 13:29.02 | judd | Search for bin/dch in squeeze/i386: devscripts: usr/bin/dch |
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| 13:29.20 | Andy1978 | abrotman: hmmmm |
| 13:29.29 | abrotman | indeed |
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| 13:30.21 | Andy1978 | abrotman: Thank you, my fault: I tried to filter the output "apt-file search dch grep "dch:" |
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| 13:30.30 | Andy1978 | abrotman: Thank you very much, my mistake |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | Andy1978: FWIW, apt-file search bin/dch |
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| 13:50.34 | helpcrypto | hello |
| 13:50.48 | helpcrypto | is there any "extension" which gets +x permission when downloaded from URL, to let the user execute it without having to chmod??? |
| 13:51.04 | bluesm | Hey |
| 13:51.09 | bluesm | How to nmap network |
| 13:51.19 | bluesm | and save ip, which are "up" ? |
| 13:51.24 | bluesm | sace to file ? |
| 13:51.33 | bluesm | *save |
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| 13:58.04 | newbie0815 | hello @ all |
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| 13:59.10 | newbie0815 | i am pretty new to all this stuff but i want to install my own jabber-server. |
| 14:00.02 | newbie0815 | Are there any suggestisons for something running "out of the box?" |
| 14:00.57 | demona | bluesm: I typically do something like 'nmap -T4 -PN -A -oN nmap.txt -v 192.168.69.0-255' (I assume you're talking about mapping your own LAN) |
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| 14:02.34 | demona | newbie0815: jabber servers 'out of the box' are still kind of a pain last I looked, but there's a Turnkey appliance for it: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ejabberd |
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| 14:03.25 | demona | All their appliances are based on Debian 6.0.5 |
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| 14:05.16 | helpcrypto | ill ask again, before disconnecting |
| 14:05.32 | helpcrypto | is there any "extension" which gets +x permission when downloaded from URL, to let the user execute a script without having to chmod??? |
| 14:05.51 | ksk | ? |
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| 14:06.40 | ksk | whats an extension? a filename extension? |
| 14:06.53 | wols | brwoser extension I'd think |
| 14:07.17 | ksk | i see. hope not. sounds like malware. |
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| 14:07.22 | helpcrypto | filename |
| 14:07.24 | helpcrypto | like exe |
| 14:07.29 | burek | omg, texas wants to get out of the US union of states... i know it's offtopic here, but i just saw this and still cant believe it is happening.. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B |
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| 14:07.48 | abrotman | burek: take it anywhere else .. no one cares |
| 14:07.53 | helpcrypto | burek: lol |
| 14:07.58 | burek | ok, i figured :) |
| 14:08.00 | brandonj | is there anyway I can get hibernation to work while using swap on an encrypted lvm? |
| 14:08.10 | ksk | helpcrypto: no. filename"extensions" have no effect in the linux world |
| 14:08.11 | abrotman | burek: there is a #debian-offtopic .. in the the topic |
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| 14:08.39 | helpcrypto | ksk: already know that...i was looking for a way to get +x permissions over a file automatically |
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| 14:08.47 | helpcrypto | anyway...ill try with zip/tgz |
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| 14:09.01 | helpcrypto | thank you all |
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| 14:09.37 | ChrisH | brandonj: It is expected to work on encrypted LVM as on LVM as on plain partitions... My Laptop hibernates onto encrypted LVM |
| 14:10.16 | chrisirc | brandonj, one of the tools supports encryption of the hibernation image (s2disk?); I then did set up 2 swaps, one unencrypted with lower priority, just for the hibernation image. Totally hacky, but it worked. |
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| 14:10.48 | chrisirc | I don't have this setup anymore, though (just using sleep nowadays). |
| 14:11.06 | brandonj | ChrisH: right, but I've setup encrypted lvm manually, not using the installer, so I don't know what additional steps I need to take |
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| 14:11.33 | chrisirc | I set up encryption manually, too. Although I didn't use LVM. |
| 14:11.39 | newbie0815 | demona is this a hole system or something to interage in ....something? |
| 14:12.01 | brandonj | I suspect I have to get the initramfs to just open the encrypted disc and lvm, *before* looking for resume partitions |
| 14:12.01 | chrisirc | brandonj, basically you need a swap that's not on encrypted lvm. |
| 14:12.08 | ChrisH | brandonj: I did setup different tesing and unstable Laptops from installer and all worked out of the box wiht encrpyted LVM |
| 14:12.11 | sephii | I'm trying to get lxc working but I can't figure out why, after I started the container with lxc-start -n mycontainer, I can't get a login shell |
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| 14:13.03 | chrisirc | brandonj, easiest if it's just a plain partition; lv on lvm should probably work, too, as long as it's not encrypted. |
| 14:13.13 | demona | Virtual appliances are self contained environments/virtual machines to run in things like Virtualbox, Vmware, Xen, KVM, etc. But even if you don't have any of those running, you could download, unpack and examine any of their Debian based appliances to see how the app is configured, which could help you get it running yourself (in this case, ejabberd). |
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| 14:13.55 | brandonj | chrisirc: encrypted swap is unsafe, plus ChrisH seems to indicate that it works just fine on an encrypted disk. Additional plus: there's no reason why it should work with lvm but not encryption |
| 14:14.23 | chrisirc | you mean, unencrypted swap. |
| 14:14.30 | brandonj | yes |
| 14:14.33 | brandonj | ;) |
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| 14:14.36 | chrisirc | I never swapped to the unencrypted swap, so it was safe. |
| 14:15.05 | brandonj | yeah, unless somebody pulls your harddrive out while your computer is hibernated |
| 14:15.15 | ChrisH | swap on unencypted volume is a silly idea as memory content woould be readable for anyone with access to the disk |
| 14:15.17 | brandonj | or just boots a livecd |
| 14:15.48 | chrisirc | ChrisH, read what I wote, the unencrypted swap was lower priority and *just* for the hibernation |
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| 14:16.04 | brandonj | chrisirc: your memory contents get written to the swap on hibernate. |
| 14:16.08 | chrisirc | no |
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| 14:16.29 | ChrisH | chrisirc: Please explain how hibernation works |
| 14:16.30 | chrisirc | as I said, I set up s2disk to encrypt the hibernation image. |
| 14:17.08 | chrisirc | So, I had two swaps: one with high prio and encrypted, and the kernel would use that one for normal swapping, as well as possibly during hibernation to push out memory. |
| 14:17.10 | brandonj | ChrisH: do you have any idea how I could go about setting up my system to resume from my encrypted swap? |
| 14:17.51 | chrisirc | The other swap, nothing ever was swapped to it; at hibernation, the image would be serially written to it, but encrypted. |
| 14:17.56 | ChrisH | brandonj: If its an option to you reinstall using the Debain installer... I assume thats the fastest way. |
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| 14:18.30 | brandonj | ChrisH: I'd really prefer to not do that |
| 14:18.51 | brandonj | I doubt it'd be faster, anyway |
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| 14:19.08 | newbie0815 | so i have already installed a Deban Base system on my ESXi for that reason. is there no "ready to use" archive or package? |
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| 14:19.51 | chrisirc | s2disk (and pm-hibernate, too, probably) mis-use swap space for the hibernation image; it's separate from normal swapped pages. |
| 14:19.59 | ChrisH | brandonj: /msg dpkg hibernate |
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| 14:21.03 | brandonj | ChrisH: thanks, but that's not incredibly useful. I seem to have found something though, just a minute |
| 14:21.13 | jelly | newbie0815: there's no official vmdk or template if that's what you're asking |
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| 14:22.21 | demona | newbie0815: ejabberd is in the repository. From what I've read it's notoriously difficult to configure, which is why I suggested an appliance, but if you already have Debian running, you should certainly give it a try |
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| 14:22.45 | chrisirc | I found ejabberd dead easy to configure. |
| 14:22.54 | chrisirc | It's got a built-in web ui. |
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| 14:23.53 | chrisirc | I still wonder if it allows for distribution, though, i.e. have 2 hosts both receive connections, and sync between the two. |
| 14:24.02 | chrisirc | That would be nice. |
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| 14:24.34 | demona | well, I see the word "distributed" in the description (i.e., marketing :) |
| 14:24.38 | dFence | crap... I'm getting various "kernel:[591555.631660] journal commit I/O error" messages... meaning my hdd is about to kick the bucket? |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | i found prosody (almost the right name) to be really easy for a small office |
| 14:24.53 | abrotman | and the devs were *really* helpful |
| 14:25.20 | chrisirc | demona, yeah, so I don't know how to configure *that*. Just setting up the server with a couple users on a single machine was trivial, though. |
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| 14:25.49 | demona | abrotman: I'll have to compare them, I've been meaning to try ejabberd again for some time |
| 14:25.55 | ChrisH | dFence: if the cable is not the problem, it is most likely the disk |
| 14:25.56 | brandonj | hurray, I got it to work! |
| 14:25.56 | newbie0815 | what about Openfire? is this easier to handle? |
| 14:25.56 | jelly | dFence: it's a possible indication for that, not a definite symptom (could be something else) |
| 14:26.13 | chrisirc | Does anyone know why when I create a new user on squeeze, and run startx there, it would not have any key map loaded and hence not react to any keyboard input? |
| 14:26.14 | brandonj | thanks, ChrisH chrisirc |
| 14:26.24 | dFence | jelly: haven't touched it in the past months, so... |
| 14:26.27 | dFence | crap -_- |
| 14:26.33 | chrisirc | brandonj, have you found a solution? |
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| 14:26.45 | jelly | dFence: or power issues causing it to spin down |
| 14:26.54 | brandonj | chrisirc: yes, I just had to update /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume with the proper uuid |
| 14:26.55 | dFence | unlikely... |
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| 14:27.19 | chrisirc | wow, neat. |
| 14:27.21 | dcherniv_ | newbie0815, cant say for ejabberd but openfire was pretty straightforward |
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| 14:27.49 | dFence | hrrrrm... off to the hardware store then |
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| 14:28.44 | ChrisH | dFence: can you pastebin dmesg and smartctl -H /dev/sdXXX |
| 14:29.17 | newbie0815 | ok thanks i will give that a try.. and else i am looking at this drunky-linux-vm XD THX |
| 14:29.23 | dFence | hang on, I had to restart - hdd was going nuts |
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| 14:32.35 | abrotman | demona: it really depends on the number of users and the features you need i supppose .. ejabberd is really the flagship .. prosody worked great, and let me setup transports and log conversations (mgmt decree) |
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| 14:34.25 | moty66 | what do I have to install to get stubs-64.h |
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| 14:35.17 | moty66 | found it; apt-file find stubs-64.h |
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| 14:35.22 | dFence | hm.. smartctl says passed |
| 14:36.05 | Seryth | I just ran systemd-analyze, and got this error: http://www.pasteall.org/37918 any help appreciated! |
| 14:36.10 | ChrisH | dFence: Well, that sadly matches my expierence... defetive Disks say passed and working disks claim to be failed. |
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| 14:39.48 | chrisirc | Update re my issue with non-working keyboard after startx: using a .xmodmap will make the keys overridden by the xmodmap work! But all the other keys still don't work. |
| 14:40.01 | chrisirc | Do you have any idea how to progress on this? |
| 14:40.14 | dFence | ChrisH: that's... smart... -_- |
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| 14:40.48 | chrisirc | I've tried mk_modmap to turn /usr/share/keymaps/* into a .xmodmap for the complete keyboard, but it seems that mk_modmap is total and utter crap, |
| 14:40.59 | chrisirc | xmodmap issues errors when reading its output. |
| 14:41.15 | chrisirc | And this even after resolving includes manually. |
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| 14:44.14 | chrisirc | Sometimes I'd like to weep: how comes tools are shipped that won't work at all? GNU/Linux really often feels bloated/filled with crap. |
| 14:44.50 | chrisirc | The right connections to fix this mess up are missing. |
| 14:45.10 | chrisirc | Should I join linux user groups, or dunno? |
| 14:45.28 | moty66 | how can I get "powerpc-linux-gcc"? |
| 14:46.44 | chrisirc | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=powerpc-linux-gcc says this doesn't exist |
| 14:47.53 | chrisirc | so, the question is, how did you get at this "name"? |
| 14:47.54 | moty66 | chrisirc: found it here http://archive.debian.net/sarge/powerpc/gcc-3.4/filelist |
| 14:47.56 | jhutchins_wk | chrisirc: The mailing lists/forums are better resources for less common branches like ppc. |
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| 14:48.18 | chrisirc | I'm on i386 |
| 14:48.25 | jhutchins_wk | chrisirc: What keyboard are you using, and what keys are you trying to get working? |
| 14:48.31 | moty66 | chrisirc: I am trying to build a software from source, with target=ppc |
| 14:48.47 | chrisirc | Builtin keyboard of my laptop. Any keys. |
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| 14:49.08 | chrisirc | The problem is that *zero* keys are working unless I have an .xmodmap, then those I put there work. |
| 14:49.11 | wols | moty66: and you are on a IBM compatible PC? |
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| 14:49.19 | chrisirc | Everything works on the console just fine. |
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| 14:49.37 | moty66 | wols: it is an old mac G3 |
| 14:49.57 | wols | moty66: then simply install build-essential. what is your error message? |
| 14:50.14 | chrisirc | Also, everything works in the user account I set up long ago; I already had this problem back when I installed the laptop, somehow could work around or solve it. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to make it work on a new user account now. |
| 14:50.26 | moty66 | wols: make: powerpc-linux-gcc: Command not found |
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| 14:50.58 | moty66 | wols: build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 14:51.09 | wols | moty66: symlink gcc to this "powerpc-linux-gcc" |
| 14:51.20 | wols | or fix that broken make script |
| 14:51.42 | moty66 | wols: got it :) |
| 14:52.47 | moty66 | wols: works find now, thanks |
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| 14:53.29 | moty66 | wols: what is the difference between "target=ppc-old" and "target=ppc" ? |
| 14:54.02 | wols | probably the various different PPC revisions e.g. PPC601 vs. G5. But since I don't own a PPC I can't say, sorry |
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| 14:54.50 | moty66 | wols: thanks for your time, ppc is working fine for me |
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| 14:56.14 | DammitJim | is there an application that I can use to control my android phone? |
| 14:56.14 | DammitJim | from my Debian machine? |
| 14:56.19 | DammitJim | I hate having to pick up the phone and stuff |
| 14:56.27 | ectospasm | DammitJim: airdroid |
| 14:56.29 | DammitJim | when I'm at my computer |
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| 14:56.44 | DammitJim | airdroid does? is that in the repos? |
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| 14:57.02 | DammitJim | oh, web interface? |
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| 14:59.54 | lancelot_of | i can't bring up wifi, i get wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1. What's going wrong?All is configured fine and wifi modules are loaded in kernel. |
| 14:59.55 | ectospasm | http://airdroid.com/ |
| 15:00.02 | lancelot_of | it worked perfectly before, but i had to rmmod rfkill for a bluetooth problem and since the modprobe rfkill only the wifi stopped working, please help |
| 15:00.03 | ectospasm | DammitJim: ^ |
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| 15:00.28 | DammitJim | whoa |
| 15:00.28 | DammitJim | cool |
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| 15:01.27 | DammitJim | this is pretty cool! |
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| 15:01.48 | DammitJim | thank you so much! I don't know why I never looked for something like this |
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| 15:05.48 | jelly | lancelot_of: if nothing helps, a reboot is the obvious approach |
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| 15:07.35 | hello_ | anyone now haskell can he please go on private chat with me |
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| 15:09.22 | ompaul | hello_: /join #haskell |
| 15:09.46 | hello_ | they not willing to help me :D with task |
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| 15:09.56 | Ontology | >_< |
| 15:10.05 | ompaul | hello_: surprise |
| 15:10.06 | barfod | hello_: what did you say to them? |
| 15:10.16 | ompaul | do my homework I bet |
| 15:10.22 | barfod | haha! |
| 15:10.37 | hello_ | i just need help with one task |
| 15:11.10 | ompaul | a small amount of reading http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell |
| 15:11.24 | ectospasm | DammitJim: I read about it in http://linuxjournal.com |
| 15:11.39 | ectospasm | beats that zipwhip thing I was using to SMS from my desktop |
| 15:11.47 | ectospasm | ...I'm still using zipwhip |
| 15:11.54 | ectospasm | XMonad makes it freak out |
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| 15:14.50 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 15:18.48 | DammitJim | now I'm getting picky, but I'd like something where I can read my emails LOL |
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| 15:19.36 | DammitJim | and all these freaking wasup messages |
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| 15:47.56 | bniels | probably WhatsApp, this proprietary ... well, thing :P |
| 15:49.04 | jhutchins_wk | whatsup is a monitoring tool. |
| 15:49.10 | jhutchins_wk | Proprietary. |
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| 15:49.42 | bniels | that's something else again ;) |
| 15:49.56 | jelly | and it doesn't have text message throttling or flap detection? |
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| 15:53.43 | crypticmofo | yo |
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| 15:57.33 | no_gravity | Hello! Im looking for a "run two processes and end them when the second ends" solution in bash. When I connect to my server via VNC, I do it via an ssh tunnel: "ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f -l USER HOST; vinagre 127.0.0.1". Its a bit invonvinient, because afterwards I have to find the ssh process and kill it with the kill command. Is there a better way? |
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| 15:59.54 | tharkun | no_gravity: when you close the vnc conection the ssh tunnel will eventually colapse |
| 16:00.35 | no_gravity | tharkun: no |
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| 16:02.02 | tharkun | no_gravity: how are you firing up your vnc server? |
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| 16:03.21 | no_gravity | tharkun: tightvncserver |
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| 16:03.39 | tharkun | no_gravity: do you type the vnc command or do you use a special purpose key |
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| 16:04.29 | tharkun | anyway set up a key pair that runs your vnc server as the shell for the session, so when you kill the vnc the shell is done and the tunnel closes cleanly |
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| 16:06.43 | no_gravity | tharkun: i dont understand what you mean |
| 16:07.29 | bniels | he means you shouldn't run the vnc server on the server box all the time, but only on demand, with ssh |
| 16:08.08 | no_gravity | bniels: the vnc server provides the x session. and the x session is needed all the time. |
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| 16:08.27 | bniels | well, it wasn't my suggestion |
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| 16:09.39 | tharkun | no_gravity: google special purpose key. In a nutshell you can substitute the invocation of bash or whatever shell you have setted up for your user with a different command and shell which is runned with a particular access method |
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| 16:10.12 | bniels | you could get rid of -f, background it, read the PID of the ssh process and kill it after vinage exits with the stored PID |
| 16:10.35 | newbie0815 | installed turnkey ejabberd appliance on ESXi does anybody know default Web login? |
| 16:10.41 | barfod | no_gravity: maybe make one of these with live-build http://live.debian.net/manual-3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#817 |
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| 16:10.57 | barfod | its a vnc xkiosk |
| 16:11.06 | tharkun | no_gravity: command="vncserver -kill :1; vncserver :1 -geometry 1100x600 1>/dev/null 2>&1 && echo -e \"To quit press q\"; answer=\"\"; while [[ $answer != \"q\" ]]; do read answer; done; vncserver -kill :1" ssh-rsa on your authorized_keys file. The rest should be obvious |
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| 16:12.09 | barfod | I pre seed them with ssh keys, and conf files for X forwarding |
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| 16:13.06 | bniels | tharkun, well, as i've understood it, he doesn't want to run the vnc server on demand. he has one running all the time on the already running X session |
| 16:13.16 | tharkun | no_gravity: that way when you quit the vnc server the ssh tunnel recieves a signal to colapse |
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| 16:15.19 | tharkun | bniels: hmm connnecting and reconecting to a permanently running vnc connection doesn't seem the right thing to do, but then the previous one liner cound be easily modified to achieve it. |
| 16:15.23 | cnz | why doesn't debian install allow you to mount an ntfs partitioned drive without changing the filesystem and formatting it? |
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| 16:16.21 | tharkun | cnz: because you need a special driver that is loaded into the kernel after booting most of the other funcionalities. |
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| 16:16.49 | tharkun | so you need a partition that is natively understood by the kernel and that it can be fixed |
| 16:17.09 | no_gravity | tharkun: i doubt the "easily" part. |
| 16:17.13 | bniels | tharkun, it might be the right thing if he has some graphical number crunching program running there or whatever. or if he wants to access the same X session from multiple users at the same time or something. i don't know. maybe just try to explain the merits of your approach to him? |
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| 16:17.47 | cnz | tharkun, hhmm interesting because ubuntus installer will let you do it and has the ntfs option? |
| 16:18.04 | barfod | You can always make alias or export the vnc commands as something like vnc=vnc;service shhd start and quit_vnc=killall vnc;service ssh stop |
| 16:18.10 | tharkun | cnz: sorry no ubuntu here. Can't comment on that |
| 16:18.39 | bniels | ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f -l USER HOST; vinagre 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:18.44 | bniels | oops, sorry |
| 16:18.46 | cnz | lol ok, just makes your response sound like bs is all, no offense |
| 16:18.46 | tharkun | no_gravity: supressing the kill parts and thinking a bit on how your logic will run I'm sure you can figure it out. :) |
| 16:18.57 | bniels | copy&paste failure |
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| 16:19.10 | no_gravity | tharkun: i think even you cant figure it out. |
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| 16:19.21 | tharkun | no_gravity: :-) |
| 16:20.14 | tharkun | cnz: Ubuntu might have come to a point where they figured it out how to do it. I haven't. |
| 16:20.23 | bniels | no_gravity, ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -l USER HOST &; pid=$! ; vinagre 127.0.0.1 ; kill $pid |
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| 16:20.39 | no_gravity | bniels: interesting, let me try... |
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| 16:20.48 | cnz | tharkun, I just find your answer hard to believe, because every other distro has the ability in their installer. |
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| 16:20.57 | no_gravity | bniels: did you omit the "-f" for a reason? |
| 16:21.19 | bniels | no_gravity, yes, so it doesn't background itself and you can get back a meaningful pid from the shell |
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| 16:21.28 | barfod | so let me get this right, cnx is insulting tharkun and tharkun is insulting no_gravity . its like a circle :) |
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| 16:21.42 | no_gravity | bniels: if it doesnt background itself, vinagre will nether be executed, right? |
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| 16:21.53 | mtn_ | cnz, you really tried/tested every other distro. impressive! |
| 16:21.56 | bniels | no_gravity, the shell backgrounds it. that's what the & is for |
| 16:22.07 | tharkun | barfod: Nope, I will not insult anyone. the keypair aproach has a lot of benefits. Mastering it ain't easy. |
| 16:22.11 | bniels | no_gravity, oh, the ; after the & is superfluous, tho |
| 16:22.30 | no_gravity | bniels: when the shell backgrounds it, it cannot ask me for the password and will crash. |
| 16:22.48 | cnz | mtn_, no I should refraise that, the ones I have tried ubuntu, slackware, xbmcbuntu all have the option, sorry for my missleading |
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| 16:23.11 | bniels | no_gravity, i see. i thought you were using a pubkey or something |
| 16:24.00 | cnz | mtn_, im just trying different distros to see which would run best on my htpc running xbmc with live tv, that's all, I really like debian so trying it now and would hate to have to try and back up 2tbs of data just because debian doesn't want to let me mount a ntfs drive |
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| 16:25.08 | barfod | cnz: debian is very carefully maintained- that means that changes are introduces very slowly. Some functionality may be witheld till later versions. But rest assured all of the functionality is available+ more than most other distros |
| 16:25.16 | barfod | there is no "testing" required |
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| 16:25.43 | no_gravity | bniels: so no solution in sight... |
| 16:25.45 | wols | !tell cnz about ntfsrw |
| 16:25.56 | cnz | barfod, yeah, I should be able to mount the drive after the install correct? |
| 16:26.03 | wols | correct |
| 16:26.24 | cnz | wols thanks for that info :) |
| 16:26.26 | bniels | no_gravity, use a pubkey. or read the password before calling ssh and pass it to ssh via stdin, maybe |
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| 16:27.15 | cnz | wols is there a reason in using aptitude over apt-get? |
| 16:27.22 | cnz | or is it just personal preference |
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| 16:27.46 | no_gravity | bniels: i dont want a pubkey. yes, maybe reading the password and passing it via sshpasswd would work. the command gets more and more huge... |
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| 16:27.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.18 | jelly | sometimes aptitude acts too smart and fails at simple tasks |
| 16:29.21 | no_gravity | ok, thanks everybody. gotta go now. |
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| 16:29.27 | prietus | hi, i had installed powernowd five minutes ago, then uninstalled and installed cpufreqd, now im looking for powernowd and theres no amd64 powernowd? |
| 16:31.54 | wols | prietus: legacy packages stop being available. if you run squeeze, you can install it however |
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| 16:33.08 | prietus | mmm, is there any bug on cpufreqd not aplying the governors? |
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| 16:33.29 | prietus | im on testing |
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| 16:33.45 | dcherniv_ | prietus, nope |
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| 16:45.08 | prietus | sorry but this paste says im using powersave but the speed is max http://pastie.org/5511858, am i mistaken? thanks |
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| 16:48.35 | dcherniv_ | prietus, ok. whats the problem? |
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| 16:48.57 | dcherniv_ | prietus, looks like its scaling just fine |
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| 16:49.53 | prietus | says that the cpu is at maximun, isnt it? |
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| 16:50.55 | dcherniv_ | prietus, cpufreq stats: 2.30 GHz:35,76%, 2.30 GHz:0,05%, 1.80 GHz:0,03%, 1.60 GHz:0,06%, 1.40 GHz:0,08%, 1.20 GHz:0,43%, 1000 MHz:1,06%, 800 MHz:62,54% (1009) |
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| 16:51.10 | dcherniv_ | prietus, its at 800 Mhz 62% of the time |
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| 16:52.19 | prietus | ah ok, sorry i miss the "%", the current CPU frequency is 2.30 GHz messed me up |
| 16:52.47 | prietus | powernowd said 800mhz |
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| 16:59.45 | prietus | mm, sorry but i think it is not working properly, it is at maximum all the time, |
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| 17:00.32 | prietus | the more i use cpufreq-info the less is 800mhz used |
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| 17:02.28 | dcherniv_ | hm |
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| 17:02.37 | prietus | current policy: frequency should be within 2.30 GHz and 2.30 GHz |
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| 17:02.44 | dcherniv_ | prietus, ok pastebin /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:03.12 | prietus | http://pastie.org/5511967 |
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| 17:05.04 | cnz | where is the grub config located |
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| 17:05.12 | dcherniv_ | prietus, weird |
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| 17:05.26 | prietus | may be this fukin liquorix kernel? i have one compiled but i cant reboot by now |
| 17:05.28 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.18 | prietus | powermanagent is blank in all the cores |
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| 17:08.43 | prietus | ok, im going to install the new kernel and see , thanks dcherniv_ |
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| 17:09.16 | dcherniv_ | prietus, ah hang on |
| 17:09.47 | prietus | bye && and thanks |
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| 17:10.14 | dcherniv_ | prietus, try this cpufreq-set c 0 --min 800MHz --max 2.3GHz -g powersave |
| 17:10.19 | dcherniv_ | prietus, try this cpufreq-set -c 0 --min 800MHz --max 2.3GHz -g powersave |
| 17:10.37 | dcherniv_ | prietus, last one, where -c 0 is the core you want to adjust |
| 17:10.40 | prietus | ok i ttry with the cudtom kernel is rebooting now |
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| 17:12.15 | prietus | btw i remember have read something about people having this issue days ago, related to xfce cpufreq plugin |
| 17:12.25 | prietus | im not using this plugin |
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| 17:13.17 | dcherniv_ | prietus, nah you're hardware is good, something confused cpufreqd and told it that available freqs are 2.30Ghz only |
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| 17:15.54 | prietus | current CPU frequency is 800 MHz (asserted by call to hardware) |
| 17:16.20 | prietus | im on the custom 3.6.9 kernel |
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| 17:17.04 | dcherniv_ | prietus, nice |
| 17:17.09 | dcherniv_ | damn 3.6.9 is out? |
| 17:17.15 | prietus | from kernel.org |
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| 17:17.24 | prietus | 3.7 is out |
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| 17:17.32 | DammitJim | yup |
| 17:17.35 | DammitJim | :D |
| 17:17.49 | DammitJim | 3.2 is good enough, though ;) |
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| 17:18.07 | prietus | ath9k users may say not to that |
| 17:18.13 | prietus | :) |
| 17:18.27 | DammitJim | oh, is it embedded? |
| 17:18.28 | Nik05 | are they going over to a newer kernel when wheezy is going stable? |
| 17:19.40 | dcherniv_ | i hate that crazy versioning they have going on nowadays |
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| 17:19.55 | prietus | no DammitJim, if im not misanderstood, ath9k some models afaik are unusable with 3.2 kernels |
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| 17:21.14 | DammitJim | unusable? just not compatible at all? wow |
| 17:21.31 | prietus | ultra poor performance |
| 17:21.44 | prietus | google is full of people reporting |
| 17:21.59 | cnz | what's the rep I need to add to source list to update my kernel from 3.2 to 3.5 |
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| 17:22.43 | ompaul | !kmuto |
| 17:22.43 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 17:22.52 | Arrowmaster | cnz: 3.6-trunk is in experimental |
| 17:23.08 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 17:23.08 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 17:23.11 | cnz | 3.5 |
| 17:23.12 | cnz | not 3.6 |
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| 17:23.19 | prietus | ok thanks for the help, ill miss powernowd |
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| 17:23.22 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 17:23.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.9-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:23.31 | Arrowmaster | there is no 3.5 packaged in debian |
| 17:23.38 | cnz | Arrowmaster oh ok |
| 17:23.55 | cnz | whatw about 3.6 then |
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| 17:24.13 | scasino | scasino.com - additional 25 Euro Free on 50+ Euro first deposit |
| 17:24.14 | scasino | BONUS code - bwinps4 |
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| 17:25.20 | prietus | wow ads |
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| 17:25.55 | ompaul | !ssb |
| 17:25.55 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:26.06 | ompaul | cnz: ^^ that's the right way to do it |
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| 17:26.40 | dcherniv_ | building 3.6.10 |
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| 18:17.10 | codex__ | hey guys, quick question. i setup a service on my ubuntu box and its writing service.pid into /var/run/nexus/nexus.pid , however after reboot /var/run/nexus disapears as it reloads tmpfs , how do i make it persist through out reboots? |
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| 18:17.59 | jhutchins_wk | codex__: First, install Debian. Then come ask us again. We can not support Debian here. |
| 18:18.15 | nkuttler | we can't? |
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| 18:18.53 | damacus | don't. |
| 18:18.59 | jhutchins_wk | Gaaah! Cat is distracting me by knocking stacks of paper off the desk. We can't support Ubuntu! |
| 18:19.10 | codex__ | ok ty :-) |
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| 18:20.16 | tech_ | anyone know when they're coming out with the kernel headers for 3.7.0? |
| 18:20.18 | wols | jhutchins_wk: heck, often we can't even support debian |
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| 18:23.11 | pmo_ | tech_, from experimental ? |
| 18:23.42 | Arrowmaster | codex__: the solution isnt to make /var/run/nexus persist but to make whatever is creating /var/run/nexus/nexus.pid create /var/run/nexus if it doesnt exist |
| 18:23.47 | pmo_ | tech_, once (long time ago), i think i saw it by the next days / 1 week maybe, i suppose |
| 18:24.27 | tech_ | thanks, I was looking for but didn't see it in the repositories |
| 18:24.38 | codex__ | Arrowmaster: i c, hmmz thought there was some script that gets run @ boot to rebuild /run |
| 18:24.39 | tech_ | can't get vmware to recompile without it |
| 18:26.40 | pmo_ | tech_, 3.7 been released today.. if you are that much in a hurry, build yours ;-) :) .. |
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| 18:27.11 | tech_ | well, already running on the 3.7 kernel |
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| 18:27.17 | sney | if you use make deb-pkg with the kernel.org sources, you will get both linux-image and linux-headers packages. |
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| 18:27.55 | tech_ | sney: yeah, forgot about that </facepalm> |
| 18:27.59 | sney | for more information see http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:28.02 | sney | and don't use make-kpkg |
| 18:28.34 | tech_ | appreciate the reminder, guys, thanx |
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| 18:33.47 | autojack | I have a software RAID 1, and one of the drives has died. the drives are a few years old so a drop in replacement will be hard to find. is there any reason I shouldn't just buy a new, larger drive and make a partition that matches the size of my existing one in order to rebuild the array? |
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| 18:33.57 | autojack | this will cost me half as much as sourcing a drop-in replacement. |
| 18:34.57 | pmo_ | autojack, with software raid you can do just that |
| 18:35.06 | autojack | I thought so. |
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| 18:36.00 | pmo_ | autojack, i do just this with 6 disks of different size :) and 4 raids or something |
| 18:36.18 | autojack | the existing drives are 750GB, and I can get a 1TB for $79. or a drop-in for $119. so it's not half as much, but still cheaper. |
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| 18:36.36 | autojack | and then when the other 750GB fails, I can get another 1TB :) |
| 18:36.57 | pmo_ | autojack, definitly, rule of thumb i knew is .. 2x size for same price each 1 and half year |
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| 18:38.15 | pmo_ | autojack, a 2TB i suppose.. and you'll do just the same thing.. but with 1TB mirror |
| 18:39.10 | pmo_ | autojack actually i have 200 raid0 raid5 raid6 all across 6 disks of different size from 200GB to 2TB, 750 and 1TB also |
| 18:39.37 | pmo_ | autojack, i have 200 raid 0 = i have raid0 |
| 18:40.42 | pmo_ | autojack, so far it works pretty well, lvm on top.. except lvm + mdraid slows down by 10% at least |
| 18:40.45 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 18:41.06 | Nik05 | Where can i find information about how a package has been compiled? |
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| 18:41.24 | Nik05 | gcc gives this information with gcc -v |
| 18:41.29 | autojack | pmo_: cool. so when I create the new partition, I just should make it the same number of blocks as the existing one right? |
| 18:41.46 | autojack | then follow the usual procedure to rebuild the array. |
| 18:41.48 | pmo_ | autojack, yes, that's what i did |
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| 18:41.58 | autojack | cool. |
| 18:42.00 | wols | Nik05: source package, inside debian/ |
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| 18:42.50 | pmo_ | autojack, one of the many, definit cool reason to use mdadm instead of hardware raid :) |
| 18:42.57 | Nik05 | thanks wols |
| 18:43.32 | Nik05 | wols: debian/ is in the .diff.gz file right? |
| 18:43.33 | autojack | I suppose I could also go ahead and buy two drives now, drop one in and rebuild the array, then drop in the other and end up with two 750GB and two 250GB arrays. |
| 18:43.37 | autojack | with two new drives. |
| 18:44.22 | pmo_ | autojack, do you use battery pack ? |
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| 18:45.22 | pmo_ | autojack, you definitly need UPS before anything else, if you don't already have |
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| 18:46.19 | blackness | im trying to remove apache2.2-bin, and it tries to remove like 90 other packages and gnome desktop, how do i remove just apache2.2-bin ? |
| 18:46.30 | autojack | I don't, but this is just a home backup server. |
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| 18:46.46 | autojack | but are you thinking that my data could get trashed in a sudden power loss? |
| 18:47.00 | blackness | http://paste.blackmajic.org:81/index.php?show=3 is whats going on |
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| 18:48.14 | pmo_ | autojack, power loss, is the best way to corrupt your data.. in my opinion.. if you definitly want something safe, and you want it, since you use raid1.. buy UPS, i suggest |
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| 18:50.02 | Nik05 | wols where can i find the compiling information in debian/ |
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| 18:53.14 | Nik05 | in rules? |
| 18:54.12 | pmo_ | autojack, anything can happen on power loss, not to tell about several power loss.. i live nicely with a corrupted disk, since years, while it was very difficult before (broken partitions on a few occasion) |
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| 18:54.56 | pmo_ | Nik05, makefile Makefile (you may have already guessed, but in case) |
| 18:55.00 | JohnnyL | If you install debian as a dual boot, does iwndows 8 overwrite the grub/boot record?? |
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| 18:56.01 | autojack | pmo_: fair enough. I've had a couple of power losses or system crashes over the last few years with this system, it's been OK. |
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| 18:56.15 | autojack | but you're right that off-on-off-on-off-on over a short period would probably be bad. |
| 18:56.27 | Nik05 | pmo_ there is no Makefile, there is a configure |
| 18:56.41 | Nik05 | i want to know how it is configured |
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| 18:58.02 | pmo_ | autojack, if your filesystem is corrupted, it is corrupted on both disks.. (mirror) |
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| 18:58.22 | pmo_ | Niamkik, configure generate makefiles |
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| 18:59.41 | JohnnyL | ? |
| 18:59.50 | autojack | pmo_: yeah good point. |
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| 19:00.42 | gobra | Hello! I just did a debian squeeze netinstall on my laptop and the only problem is that my sound is not working. Any suggestions on how to debug this issue? |
| 19:00.46 | Nik05 | pmo_ i think that was to me? yes i know configure generates Makefile. But i want to know how it is configured |
| 19:01.44 | ChmEarl | running xfce4 in wheezy. Display Manager choices after gdm or kdm? currently using lightdm |
| 19:01.49 | pmo_ | gobra, dmesg | grep sound (or something) alsamixer (maybe it is just mute) |
| 19:02.37 | gobra | pmo_: http://bpaste.net/show/63822/ |
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| 19:02.48 | pmo_ | Nik05, generating Makefile you'll get the gcc lines.. i think.. otherwise, i don't much execp to read configure |
| 19:02.54 | gobra | pmo_: checked with alsa mixer, I thought the sound was on mute too but it isn't. |
| 19:03.36 | JohnnyL | i guess i wont' install debian on this laptop. |
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| 19:03.44 | Nik05 | yes i know Makefile will give the gcc line etc. But i want to know with what flags/parameters it has been configured. Just like `gcc -v` tells me that |
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| 19:04.40 | pmo_ | Nik05, but when you run makefile you can see the gcc lines, don't you ? |
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| 19:05.43 | pmo_ | gobra, no clues, and time for dinner for me ;-) |
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| 19:05.55 | Nik05 | yes pmo_ i dont want the gcc lines |
| 19:06.00 | gobra | pmo_: bon apetit :) |
| 19:06.13 | Nik05 | i want to know how it has been configured with ./configure |
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| 19:07.09 | gobra | pmo_: lol, i solved it:) |
| 19:07.25 | gobra | pmo_: alsactl init :) |
| 19:07.26 | iluminator105 | how do change wlan0 to wlan1? |
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| 19:09.44 | encrypt | what would be a commom web gui for users to manage their password for openldap? |
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| 19:12.18 | iluminator105 | where do i change wlan0 to wlan1 |
| 19:12.31 | sney | /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 19:12.47 | sney | there's a file in there called persistent net rules, it controls those assignments |
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| 19:21.13 | iluminator105 | sney, negative i dont see it i am on n900 |
| 19:21.22 | nerd | is their a possibility of making a clone of the current system into a live cd ? with all the user settings and cofnig intact. |
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| 19:22.00 | volker- | hi |
| 19:22.40 | volker- | i googled for a while, but still didn't find the answer. which application is the command line installer written in/what is used for the interactive menu? |
| 19:22.51 | abrotman | which interactive menu ? |
| 19:23.16 | abrotman | volker-: probably C and Perl .. you can get the source |
| 19:23.17 | volker- | abrotman: during installation you can configure hostname, DNS etc. |
| 19:24.06 | sney | iluminator105: are you not using debian? |
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| 19:25.41 | volker- | abrotman: and where can I get the source? I do not know which package it is... |
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| 19:27.54 | BoozeWooz | hi! |
| 19:28.02 | iluminator105 | sney, n900 os is based on debian |
| 19:28.19 | sney | !based on debian |
| 19:28.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 19:29.12 | BoozeWooz | I want to install sortof debian i think , i really like apt. but i have problems deciding which version |
| 19:29.23 | jelly-home | !maemo |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ #maemo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:29.34 | jelly-home | justin case that's the os in question |
| 19:30.00 | sney | !tell BoozeWooz about introduction |
| 19:30.12 | sney | BoozeWooz: if you have any specific questions, go ahead |
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| 19:31.18 | BoozeWooz | well.. is there a big difference between ubuntu and debian , mepis and al based things? or are the repositories mainly different? |
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| 19:32.44 | sney | BoozeWooz: yes, they are all different. mostly in terms of defaults, configuration, and the standards for what counts as a "stable release" |
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| 19:33.24 | BoozeWooz | o. well my main issue is this: ubuntu needs this "major" upgrading every now and then. i cannot do this at my server as it needs to be stable 24/7 |
| 19:33.48 | BoozeWooz | my main computer, doesnt matter. however i need the same glibc else my compilations won't run on it... |
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| 19:34.00 | dondelelcaro | BoozeWooz: Debian will require major upgrades from time to time too |
| 19:34.11 | sney | dondelelcaro: but not quarterly |
| 19:34.33 | dondelelcaro | sney: yes... but this is also why ubuntu has LTS releases. |
| 19:34.42 | Logos01 | Hello gentlemen and ladies -- I was wondering if anyone here is building/maintaining a local repo of custom-built packages -- if so; is there a decent walk-through on that process? |
| 19:34.58 | nerd | can i make debian from scratch according to my requirements ? |
| 19:35.00 | Logos01 | I'm familiar with rpmbuild but in my looking I haven't found anything like that for .deb "space" |
| 19:35.03 | dondelelcaro | Logos01: for small numbers of packages, it's pretty trivial |
| 19:35.15 | dondelelcaro | Logos01: you just build the packages, then use apt-ftparchive to build the repository |
| 19:35.22 | Logos01 | dondelelcaro: I've heard that a few times but I haven't been able to validate it w/ google-fu. |
| 19:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Logos01: the actual building you can do using sbuild or whatever else works |
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| 19:35.44 | Logos01 | See this is what I mean. It's an entire cosmos and I'm not rightly sure where to begin with it. |
| 19:35.47 | Logos01 | :3 |
| 19:36.09 | dondelelcaro | Logos01: for large numbers of packages it's a bit more complicated, and there's not really a good walkthrough for it |
| 19:36.18 | BoozeWooz | well.... dondelelcaro i can upgrade anything except glibc... |
| 19:36.23 | BoozeWooz | would that be an issue? |
| 19:36.28 | dondelelcaro | BoozeWooz: why can't you upgrade glibc? |
| 19:36.47 | dondelelcaro | BoozeWooz: if you're building for your server, you build and test in the appropriate release chroot |
| 19:36.53 | BoozeWooz | my server won't accept different versions. and if i compile it will compile with a specific version |
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| 19:36.57 | Logos01 | is now reading through http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
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| 19:38.54 | sney | Logos01: the new maintainer's guide might be worth a read as well. |
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| 19:40.05 | BoozeWooz | hmm perhaps i could make use of a virtual machine |
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| 19:46.39 | sney | BoozeWooz: though really, if what you want is a system that only gets security updates over a long period of time, what you really need is centos. I prefer apt too, but with that requirement, I'm pretty sure there isn't an apt/dpkg equivalent. |
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| 19:47.44 | BoozeWooz | hmpfff... oke then i will give it a try. thanks |
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| 19:49.49 | funto | hi all, I'm having problems with my touchpad on my Debian testing |
| 19:49.55 | funto | middle click and scrolling did not work |
| 19:50.42 | funto | so I added a xorg.conf file which is this one: http://pastebin.com/4tsuSTDd |
| 19:51.09 | funto | from there on, it went ok...except if I boot with my USB mouse connected |
| 19:51.44 | funto | in which case I do not have middle click (pressing left+right simultaneously) nor scrolling working |
| 19:52.26 | funto | I'm using XFCE with lightdm, if that's any useful information |
| 19:53.01 | funto | thanks for helping :) |
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| 19:56.16 | xsappyx | funto: xev will show you if the events are at least getting picked up.. run it in a console and try your clicks |
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| 19:57.20 | aszlig | hi! :-) can someone explain to me what's going on here? compare http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-vala/libgee.git;a=commit;h=f25a3a22c57310ddbbe06d25a4fbe9681fabfc92 with http://git.gnome.org/browse/libgee/tree/ - where does gee/Gee-1.0.gir come from? |
| 19:57.49 | funto | xsappyx: I do get events, but I get the same output when just moving around the window with the touchpad and when trying to scroll with the touchpad |
| 19:58.34 | funto | the part of my touchpad that is to be used for scrolling serves to move the cursor in my case |
| 19:58.52 | funto | it's like the input is here but not interpreted in the way I want to |
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| 20:00.18 | ChmEarl | !paste |
| 20:00.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:00.58 | abailarri | Hello. Two days ago I installed debian wheezy, but I can not run the wifi. I've tried everything. Someone could help me? |
| 20:01.01 | aszlig | i'm unable to find any reference to that, even the ubuntu people take things for granted and rely on gee "1.0" for libunity, but that's because they're using the debian package |
| 20:01.11 | sney | abailarri: do you know what wifi card? |
| 20:01.27 | funto | abailarri: I had success in using wicd |
| 20:01.37 | ChmEarl | funto, wheezy touchpad hack: http://paste.debian.net/215650/ |
| 20:01.39 | sney | funto: one thing at a time. |
| 20:01.44 | abailarri | sney, Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
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| 20:02.04 | sney | abailarri: did you install firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 20:02.08 | abailarri | yes |
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| 20:02.30 | sney | if you run 'iwlist wlan0 scan' what is the output? do not paste to the channel |
| 20:02.49 | ompaul | there is a switch on the right side for it |
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| 20:03.06 | sney | ompaul: ECONTEXT |
| 20:03.17 | abailarri | sney, wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
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| 20:03.29 | ompaul | sney: the touchpad switch |
| 20:04.22 | sney | abailarri: is there any information about your wifi in dmesg? |
| 20:04.32 | funto | ChmEarl: you suggest that I modify this file? it would be erased when updating, right? |
| 20:05.01 | sney | !xorg.conf.d |
| 20:05.01 | dpkg | xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf". |
| 20:05.17 | funto | there is "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" at the start of it ^^ |
| 20:06.09 | abailarri | sney, |
| 20:06.09 | abailarri | dmesg | grep eth |
| 20:06.09 | abailarri | [ 1.455605] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: RTL8168e/8111e at 0xffffc9000065e000, 6c:62:6d:28:83:c4, XID 0c200000 IRQ 41 |
| 20:06.10 | abailarri | [ 1.455610] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: jumbo features [frames: 9200 bytes, tx checksumming: ko] |
| 20:06.10 | abailarri | [ 7.219488] VGA switcheroo: detected DSM switching method \_SB_.PCI0.P0P2.PEGP handle |
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| 20:06.21 | abailarri | [ 15.561425] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: link up |
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| 20:06.23 | abailarri | [ 15.561945] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
| 20:06.25 | abailarri | [ 26.077834] eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 20:06.27 | abailarri | [ 4346.580698] eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 20:06.29 | abailarri | [ 4645.085438] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: link down |
| 20:06.30 | sney | abailarri: remember when I said do not paste to the channel... |
| 20:06.31 | abailarri | [ 4646.603195] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: link down |
| 20:06.32 | ompaul | abailarri: stop |
| 20:06.35 | abailarri | [ 4646.604078] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 20:06.37 | abailarri | [ 4647.022364] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: link down |
| 20:06.39 | abailarri | [ 4647.023235] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 20:06.41 | abailarri | [ 4672.684189] r8169 0000:07:00.0: eth0: link up |
| 20:06.43 | abailarri | [ 4672.684722] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
| 20:06.45 | sney | !ops abailarri |
| 20:06.45 | abailarri | [ 4683.120427] eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 20:06.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: abailarri |
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| 20:07.23 | peterS | abailarri: no pasting, ok? If it's longer than 2 lines, use a paste site or just paste the most interesting line |
| 20:07.27 | funto | sney: ok, so I should add say /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-touchpad.conf and add whatever I want inside...but I wonder nevertheless why having the mouse plugged is a problem for my touchpad |
| 20:07.29 | sney | abailarri: none of that was relevant. |
| 20:07.42 | funto | having the mouse plugged at boot time I mean |
| 20:07.52 | sney | funto: probably some bios silliness. I've seen some laptops do that. maybe there's an option |
| 20:07.54 | ompaul | sney: I was referring to a manual switch if the software is installed and the machine restarted it should be the only thing in the way |
| 20:08.08 | abailarri | sney, What I can put in grep to pick something interesting? |
| 20:09.04 | sney | abailarri: well, the 'iwlwifi' module is supposed to be your wireless driver so try that. and use http://paste.debian.net/ if you want to share it. |
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| 20:09.46 | ompaul | abailarri: on the right hand side of the machine look below the DVD toward the back do you see the colour green? |
| 20:09.59 | ompaul | it is about 2mm by 4mm |
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| 20:10.23 | sney | wonders how ompaul is psychically determining what computers these people have |
| 20:10.42 | ompaul | sney: he typed thinkpad a lot earlier |
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| 20:10.49 | abailarri | ompaul, sney , see:http://pastebin.com/cGXNA1NV |
| 20:10.55 | sney | on my thinkpad it's on the keyboard. |
| 20:11.04 | sney | sigh, bloody pastebin.com. |
| 20:11.11 | peterS | sney: heh, or maybe just knows that _all_ leds are about 2mm x 4mm, plus or minus 2 mm (: |
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| 20:11.30 | sney | peterS: I'm more confused about the location knowledge |
| 20:11.47 | sney | abailarri: ok, you're still missing the firmware files. |
| 20:12.00 | peterS | ah good point |
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| 20:13.40 | abailarri | sney, yes |
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| 20:15.00 | abailarri | sney, And how do I fix it? |
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| 20:15.23 | sney | abailarri: what devide was it specifically? lspci -nn |grep -i net |
| 20:15.30 | sney | device, even |
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| 20:15.46 | SmashingX | Does anyone knows how can I extract videos from websites? |
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| 20:16.21 | abailarri | sney, http://pastebin.com/ueDHP4fu |
| 20:16.30 | daimrod | SmashingX: it depends, I know youtube-dl and clive but it won't work with every websites. |
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| 20:17.02 | SmashingX | are those addons? |
| 20:17.06 | SmashingX | or software |
| 20:17.13 | sney | abailarri: ok, and you're on wheezy? what's the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 20:17.25 | daimrod | there are also tools (but I don't remember their names) to extract a video from a webpage if you have its uri. |
| 20:17.29 | daimrod | SmashingX: software |
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| 20:17.54 | daimrod | aptitude install clive; clive -f best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 20:18.03 | daimrod | profit :) |
| 20:18.08 | SmashingX | the hard part is that when you click a video to watch the url doesn't change: www.example.com |
| 20:18.10 | abailarri | sney, http://pastebin.com/WVJ4nVnC |
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| 20:19.05 | sney | well that's really strange, it should be working perfectly. |
| 20:19.36 | sney | also: tanith first and only? |
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| 20:20.10 | abailarri | sney, what? |
| 20:20.17 | sney | never mind. |
| 20:20.27 | sney | brb |
| 20:20.29 | daimrod | SmashingX: afaik, there is no magic-tools to extract a video. tell me if you find one ;) |
| 20:21.17 | abailarri | sney, may need to install the package iwlegacy? |
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| 20:26.28 | sney | abailarri: no, your card is definitely too new for legacy |
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| 20:27.32 | ompaul | sney: for silly values http://imagebin.org/238953 |
| 20:28.13 | sney | ompaul: still, isn't that usually a pci disconnect |
| 20:28.27 | sney | abailarri: do you have a switch like the one ompaul is pointing out and is it in the "on" position |
| 20:29.28 | ompaul | sney: I could see the card, I could install the software, but until that switch was like that |
| 20:29.28 | ompaul | so as for pci disconnect I don't know |
| 20:30.39 | ompaul | abailarri: can you answer the question about a switch, like the one here http://imagebin.org/238953 |
| 20:31.04 | sney | I think he's looking for it. that's what a long pause usually means with this guy. |
| 20:31.23 | ompaul | from the front on the right hand side |
| 20:31.53 | ompaul | sney: it took me an age to find it |
| 20:32.03 | SmashingX | daimrod: you were wrong, I found an addon |
| 20:32.22 | SmashingX | daimrod: you were wrong, I found an addon for firefox called unplug |
| 20:33.23 | abailarri | ompaul, the antenna is connected and working |
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| 20:33.44 | ompaul | sney: ^^ |
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| 20:38.16 | sney | abailarri: I lost the link to your dmesg paste from earlier, can you link me again? |
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| 20:39.16 | abailarri | sney, http://pastebin.com/cGXNA1NV |
| 20:39.42 | ChmEarl | funto, apt-cache policy xfce4-terminal <-- has perfect touchpad support |
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| 20:41.52 | sney | abailarri: does the file iwlwifi-1000-5.ucode exist in /lib/firmware? |
| 20:43.18 | abailarri | sney, yes |
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| 20:44.02 | sney | abailarri: try running 'modprobe -r iwlwifi;modprobe iwlwifi' |
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| 20:45.50 | abailarri | sney, with this command |
| 20:45.50 | abailarri | ¡Nuevo! Mantén pulsada la tecla Mayús y, a continuación, haz clic en las palabras y arrástralas para cambiar el orden. Descartar |
| 20:45.53 | abailarri | sorry |
| 20:46.00 | abailarri | now it works! |
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| 20:46.19 | sney | ok. all that did is reload the driver, and this time it found the firmware. |
| 20:46.35 | sney | if it always does this, that might be a bug. |
| 20:46.38 | sney | just keep an eye on it. |
| 20:47.10 | abailarri | ok |
| 20:47.20 | abailarri | sney, thank you! |
| 20:47.23 | sney | np |
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| 20:49.26 | funto | ChmEarl: I don't see the link between xfce4-terminal and the touchpad...? |
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| 20:55.50 | iio7 | I have a couple of boxes with squeeze on a lan, all have gigabit network card. One machine always gets set to 100 Mbit upon boot, I then have to change the speed to 1000 Mbit using ethtool, then it works perfectly. What might be the cause that makes it start at 100 upon boot. They all run the same cards. |
| 20:55.58 | Ir0nman | looking for permissions help, for an ftp user |
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| 20:57.00 | funto | back - sorry I was afk |
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| 20:57.23 | xsappyx | iio7: could the upstream switch be set at 100 and not auto neg? |
| 20:57.53 | iio7 | xsappyx, no it runs on auto neg, there is no option to change it actually. |
| 20:58.02 | funto | are evdev and synaptics "concurrent" X11 drivers? is it better to use one or the other? |
| 20:58.29 | sney | iio7: try with a different cable. if the hardware can't get connectivity on all the pairs in a cat6 cable it won't autoneg to gigabit usually |
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| 20:58.58 | iio7 | sney, ok, thought as much. Thanks. |
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| 21:02.51 | Ir0nman | have a scenario im looking for help with in regards to permissions in vsftpd |
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| 21:03.24 | xmj | Hi, since which kernel-version does Linux support intel'siwlwifi-6000g2b-18.168.6.1.fw.uu ? |
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| 21:33.01 | LtL | Ir0nman: this may help, http://www.noob2geek.com/linux/setup-vsftpd-debian-ubuntu/ #regardless of the ubuntu thing :) |
| 21:33.19 | Ir0nman | ill give it a look |
| 21:34.25 | Ir0nman | I have one directory i keep 777 and up until now all users were trust with this directory, I have a new user onboard that is not computer savy and i just want him to have read access only thru the directory |
| 21:34.32 | Ir0nman | recursivley |
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| 21:34.53 | Ir0nman | the way i let everyone access this folder is by mount --bind to everyones home directory |
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| 21:35.15 | Ir0nman | what is the best way to keep this new user at read only access and leave everyone else with full access |
| 21:35.43 | studious | Ir0nman chmod +774 file/folder |
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| 21:37.21 | Ir0nman | isn't that to set it site wide rather than for one user? |
| 21:37.47 | LtL | Ir0nman: looks that way. imo |
| 21:38.21 | Ir0nman | unfortunatley i need it down to one user read only everyone else free for all lol |
| 21:39.19 | LtL | Ir0nman: what you want wouldn't be easy if doable at all |
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| 21:39.33 | alteregoa | hi |
| 21:39.40 | alteregoa | how to create a new xauthority file? |
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| 21:39.54 | Ir0nman | really? i was under the impression that it could be done |
| 21:40.03 | Ir0nman | i just dont know enough about perms/groups to do it |
| 21:40.13 | LtL | Ir0nman: it may be, i'm just guessing here. |
| 21:40.48 | LtL | Ir0nman: groups may easier than permissions |
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| 21:41.08 | studious | Ir0nman: the way to do it is by setting the file permissions to chmod +774 |
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| 21:41.33 | studious | this sets it so that root has full access, the remaining users in the group have full access, and the user itself has read only access |
| 21:41.34 | Ir0nman | but that sets it for everyone correct? |
| 21:41.57 | Ir0nman | can you give me a full example of the cmd please? maybe i will better understand |
| 21:42.02 | LtL | studious: +chmod is not an option |
| 21:42.15 | LtL | err chmod +XXX |
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| 21:42.20 | aah | hello. has anyone managed to connect the iphone to debian stable without getting the "unable to mount" error? |
| 21:42.47 | studious | sudo chmod +774 file/folder is the way the command is entered |
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| 21:43.26 | LtL | studious: uh, ok.. theres no '+' sign that i'm aware of. |
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| 21:44.03 | aah | one of the suggestions on a forum was to upgrade "libimobiledevice1" from wheezy to sid, but i'm unable to download the file .. none of the mirrors work :( |
| 21:44.21 | LtL | chmod 774 yes, chmod +774 won't happen. |
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| 21:45.08 | studious | LtL: good for you |
| 21:46.02 | LtL | studious: i'm just saying, am i wrong? |
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| 21:46.58 | LtL | studious: i'm sure Ir0nman gets the point, others may think +octal would work it won't :) |
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| 21:51.45 | Doom99 | hi having a problem with boot up perhaps someone has seen this.. it only happens (for me) in the xen boot process but my googling has shown it to happen to others in a regular boot |
| 21:51.48 | Doom99 | ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xa0) |
| 21:52.06 | Doom99 | messages like those followed by 'failed to identify i/o errors |
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| 21:52.21 | Doom99 | eventually lead to root partion not being found |
| 21:52.50 | Arrowmaster | so this is strange, my wifi drops when the screensaver activates |
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| 21:54.08 | sney | Arrowmaster: weird, anything in dmesg? |
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| 21:54.32 | sney | Doom99: stuff like that are usually hardware issues. is it a SSD? |
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| 21:55.52 | Arrowmaster | nothing in any logs |
| 21:56.36 | Arrowmaster | a bit of google searching leads me to believe its probably related to something putting the network card into a powersave mode |
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| 21:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | Arrowmaster: That's what I would expect. Laptop? |
| 21:59.57 | Arrowmaster | yes laptop, but plugged into ac power |
| 22:00.32 | Arrowmaster | it didnt do this with 3.2 kernel but i had another issue with 3.2 and just switched to 3.6-trunk |
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| 22:02.01 | Guest33934 | hi |
| 22:02.11 | psiklops | Arrowmaster, xscreensaver ? |
| 22:02.24 | Arrowmaster | no mate-screensaver |
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| 22:03.49 | sney | Arrowmaster: mate isn't in debian. |
| 22:04.17 | Arrowmaster | no its not, but i am running debian |
| 22:04.22 | Doom99 | @sney sorry misssed ur reply no vanilla drive |
| 22:04.37 | Doom99 | regular debian boot is fine |
| 22:05.04 | sney | on the same disk/ |
| 22:05.05 | Doom99 | but in my search i found these types of errors from people not using xen so thought i might be able to track it down |
| 22:05.08 | aah | hi folks. none of the mirrors on this site are working: http://packages.debian.org/sid/alpha/libimobiledevice1/download | is there an alternate way to get that package? |
| 22:05.14 | Doom99 | yes |
| 22:05.31 | Doom99 | xen just loads first then boots the regular kernel |
| 22:05.43 | Doom99 | but its apparently not passing the drive info |
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| 22:05.52 | Doom99 | probably due to this business |
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| 22:06.28 | sney | aah: alpha support was dropped after debian 5.0. you might find it on snapshot. |
| 22:06.36 | dondelelcaro | aah: that package has been removed from unstable |
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| 22:06.57 | Doom99 | ata3.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) ata3.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
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| 22:07.02 | dondelelcaro | aah: so I'm not sure why you're even trying to download it... however, if you really need it, archive.debian.org and snapshot has it |
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| 22:08.24 | aah | thanks for the replies sney and dondelelcaro : i want to upgrade it because the wheezy version does not support mounting iphones. when i connect my iphone, gvfsd takes up a lot of cpu and ram, and a suggestion on a forum said to upgrade it .. |
| 22:08.44 | sney | aah: you don't have an alpha machine, though. |
| 22:08.58 | sney | aah: "alpha" is a cpu architecture, like x86 or powerpc. |
| 22:09.24 | sney | ,v libimobiledevice1 |
| 22:09.25 | judd | Package: libimobiledevice1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1 |
| 22:09.27 | aah | sney: oh .. right. mine is x86 .. will that be on the archive.debian.org site too? |
| 22:09.47 | sney | looks like it, since the last released one was in squeeze |
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| 22:09.58 | dondelelcaro | aah: the newest version is libmobiledevice2, which is in wheezy. |
| 22:10.10 | dondelelcaro | aah: so if you're running wheezy, there's nothing to upgrade to |
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| 22:10.14 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, did you sorted out your problem ? |
| 22:11.12 | sney | Arrowmaster: the problem with something like mate-screensaver is that it's *probably* just an xscreensaver frontend... but since that's third party software, #debian doesn't know, so we can't really assist with whether it's doing some power management voodoo in the background. |
| 22:11.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 22:11.21 | sney | I think the mate channel would be the appropriate place to check for that |
| 22:11.37 | Arrowmaster | sney: its a fork of the gnome2 screensaver |
| 22:11.39 | aah | dondelelcaro: i'm on stable (i think that's squeeze, isn't it) .. |
| 22:11.41 | voytek | its probably just gnome-screensaver |
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| 22:12.03 | Arrowmaster | im about to just ditch mate for xfce though |
| 22:12.04 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, if you plug / unplug ethernet card, is ethernet still working, if you use ethernet sometimes ? |
| 22:12.05 | sney | Arrowmaster: yeah. so, probably. but- "fork." it's like how ubuntu is based on debian. some things are the same, sure, but how can we know where the line is |
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| 22:12.46 | sney | (fwiw - cinnamon, the other gnome2-alike, is in sid, and is actually "supported" as much as sid packages can be) |
| 22:13.12 | Arrowmaster | why is xfce the only DE with a filemanager that reports file sizes correctly (only one i didnt check was kde) |
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| 22:13.21 | voytek | sney, my impression is that the mint folks havent made many changes to the code base, just changed the name and kept the feature set, fwiw |
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| 22:13.46 | voytek | Arrowmaster, i've switched back to xfce full time since gnome3 and am quite happy with it |
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| 22:14.32 | Arrowmaster | voytek: yeah i tried it on my desktop while it was still working, only issue is xscreensaver is so fugly |
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| 22:16.28 | voytek | Arrowmaster, the polish of gnome2/mate isn't there in some places, but at least you have control |
| 22:16.54 | sfyn | I am looking for openldap help - trying to get a basic setup going for testing purposes - I am not sure how to go about viewing or modifying the access configuration via cn=config |
| 22:18.14 | gnarface | sfyn: you set that as i think its called your basename? instead |
| 22:18.35 | gnarface | or maybe its the bind address or whatever the one is thats not your admin username |
| 22:19.10 | sfyn | gnarface: thanks - I am trying to figure out how to do that - all the doc I have found relating to access talks about slapd.conf |
| 22:19.25 | Arrowmaster | voytek: you using xfce from wheezy/sid or something else? |
| 22:19.35 | voytek | wheezy |
| 22:19.36 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, did you check out iwconfig ? power managment ? |
| 22:20.21 | Arrowmaster | pmo_: no i have no clue what im doing, never had wifi on a linux system till a week ago |
| 22:21.01 | Arrowmaster | but iwconfig says power management is off |
| 22:21.29 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, you can put it on ? |
| 22:22.11 | gnarface | sfyn: yea you sortof have to piece it together with the ldapsearch manpages. i found shelldap to be easier to use |
| 22:22.28 | sfyn | gnarface: ok, thanks, I appreciate it |
| 22:22.50 | gnarface | sfyn: sorry i'm busy right now or i'd help more, good luck |
| 22:23.02 | Doom99 | @sney... why did u ask if i was using ssd? |
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| 22:23.33 | Arrowmaster | pmo_: i tried 'iwconfig wlan0 power on' and got 'SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.' |
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| 22:24.32 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, is your wifi down due to screensaver and you can't get it back.. or does it happen on other occasion ? |
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| 22:25.02 | jhutchins_wk | Arrowmaster: What laptops do when they go into idle/suspend/hibernate is somewhat unpredictable and controlled by the BIOS/firmware, but by all means check out some other combinations. |
| 22:25.30 | sney | Doom99: because I've seen a very similar error spam on failing ssd.s |
| 22:25.48 | Doom99 | well we will see if u are right.. u reminded me of something.. my drive is a hybrid |
| 22:26.02 | Doom99 | which i had forgotten as its supposed to be transparent |
| 22:26.45 | Doom99 | my 2nd drive is definitely vanilla so ill install there now and see what happens |
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| 22:27.35 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, lspci reports a RTL device ? and you use amd64 or i386 debian ? |
| 22:29.00 | Arrowmaster | pmo_: well this is the 3rd time since upgrading to 3.6-trunk kernel ive left and came back to a dead wireless, xchat is just sitting there retrying over and over, a simple ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 fixes it |
| 22:29.19 | aah | haha. installing gtkpod solved it. i didn't have to download anything from snapshot. thanks guys sney dondelelcaro :) |
| 22:29.24 | sney | ok. |
| 22:29.33 | Arrowmaster | and yeah its a rtl8188ce |
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| 22:30.40 | Arrowmaster | and the 3.6 kernel uses a different firmware blob for it than 3.2 does |
| 22:30.55 | Arrowmaster | so yeah it could be anything |
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| 22:34.01 | subliminal | so I'm sure this is a pretty common question but I have had trouble finding decent examples or have it work. I'm running a new squeeze install, and I want to upgrade apache/php/mysql to the packages in wheezy. I've set the default release in my apt config but it seems it's unable to upgrade the required packages from wheezy itself? |
| 22:34.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell subliminal about ssb |
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| 22:34.46 | abrotman | not sure i'd really recommend that though |
| 22:35.10 | sney | subliminal: installing binary packages from wheezy or sid onto squeeze is breakage-inducing. you can build them, like abrotman suggested |
| 22:35.13 | sney | ,v php5 |
| 22:35.14 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-10; wheezy: 5.4.4-10; experimental: 5.4.9-4 |
| 22:35.22 | sney | dang, no backports. |
| 22:35.28 | Arrowmaster | subliminal: either use backports, make your own backports, or upgrade the entire system to wheezy |
| 22:35.55 | Arrowmaster | subliminal: dont mix stable with anything else |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | sney: who would want to maintain that ... |
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| 22:36.33 | subliminal | upgrade to wheezy it is I guess hehe |
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| 22:36.37 | sney | abrotman: there are other masochism packages in backports. it's all for the users, remember? |
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| 22:37.04 | iKrzysiek | Can someone join #humanitee and help my friend - marahin with his VPS an Debian? we really need it |
| 22:37.25 | sney | iKrzysiek: if your friend has debian questions he can just come here |
| 22:37.34 | sney | it's what this channel is for, after all |
| 22:37.48 | iKrzysiek | He has too much to say and we dot want to flood here |
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| 22:38.29 | abrotman | this is a support channel, it's normal |
| 22:38.38 | sney | yeah, like I said, it's what this channel is for. |
| 22:38.43 | pmo_ | Arrowmaster, my RTL device with lspci -vvv goes ff:fff:fff and then i can't recover it.. i think that was due to amd64 and had to make a changed in the kernel, to make it to work, but not like you, mine when gone, only reboot give it back again |
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| 22:38.55 | abrotman | subliminal: that's not really the best idea if the server is public |
| 22:38.58 | sney | iKrzysiek: bring your spammy friend over and we will help him here. we use the bots in this channel to provide information so |
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| 22:39.04 | aypea[3] | hi. does anyone know how to shrink a directory inode without doing an rm/mkdir? |
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| 22:40.54 | jhutchins_wk | subliminal: Installing a big group of packages like LAMP from testing makes keeping the rest of the system "stable" pretty pointless. There's plenty to break in A/M/P. |
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| 22:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | subliminal: Which PHP websystem are you trying to build? |
| 22:41.47 | vipersniper | I'm trying to copile a grsec kernel in debian 6.0 stable and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/2291578 |
| 22:41.58 | vipersniper | compile* |
| 22:42.52 | subliminal | jhutchins_wk: I have a bunch of code using SPL classes from 5.3.6 I think it is |
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| 22:43.29 | sney | vipersniper: are you following the build directions in the kernel handbook or just winging it? |
| 22:43.57 | pmo_ | aypea[3], make me think of debugfs (ext filesystem i think) and dangerous stuff |
| 22:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | subliminal: So this isn't a package like Drupal or Wordpress or something like that? |
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| 22:44.16 | aypea[3] | pmo_: yes. my thinking is heading there too :) |
| 22:44.21 | vipersniper | sney, just winging it |
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| 22:45.35 | sney | vipersniper: well, you're missing some dependencies for starters. here, read it, it's good information for anything involving building kernels on a debian machine. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:46.33 | subliminal | jhutchins_wk: custom application |
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| 22:47.53 | vipersniper | sney, What dependencies? :) |
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| 22:49.18 | sney | vipersniper: for starters, the package that provides zlib.h. start with apt-get build-dep linux-source, though you might wind up needing other things as well |
| 22:49.28 | sney | and read the kernel handbook, and don't use make-kpkg. |
| 22:49.43 | pmo_ | vipersniper, apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 22:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | subliminal: Re-write your code to make it backwards compatible. |
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| 22:51.10 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: that's silly |
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| 22:52.18 | abrotman | it's already written ... he still hasnt said if it's public |
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| 22:59.37 | jhutchins_wk | Crud. Exaile appears to be dead, no commits since January. |
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| 23:00.35 | abrotman | quod libet? |
| 23:00.50 | demona | jhutchins_wk: Oh good, for a second I thought you meant Etoile |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | or tdo i have my programs crossed? |
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| 23:02.10 | jhutchins_wk | Um... dunno. Are you suggesting an alternative? |
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| 23:02.20 | ratcheer | I've heard of Exaile, but not Etoile |
| 23:03.03 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: yes, look at quod libet |
| 23:03.26 | demona | http://etoileos.com/ |
| 23:04.04 | vipersniper | sney, apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 23:04.04 | vipersniper | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:04.04 | vipersniper | Segmentation faulty tree... 0% |
| 23:04.06 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Thank you, installing now. |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | vipersniper: that's cute |
| 23:04.33 | ratcheer | demona: Looks very cool. |
| 23:05.04 | vipersniper | abrotman, why is that cute :) |
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| 23:05.38 | abrotman | vipersniper: have you been mixing versions of debian? |
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| 23:06.10 | vipersniper | I upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0 |
| 23:06.21 | jhutchins_wk | Well, hum, exaile not as dead as I thought, they just did a release last month... |
| 23:06.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions exaile |
| 23:06.26 | judd | Package: exaile on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.11.1+debian-2; squeeze: 0.2.14+debian-2.3; squeeze-backports: 0.3.2.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.2.2-3; sid: 3.3.1-1 |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | vipersniper: fully? |
| 23:06.48 | ratcheer | Etoile is Smalltalk? Plus other stuff? |
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| 23:07.22 | vipersniper | I think fully |
| 23:07.31 | demona | goo |
| 23:07.35 | demona | *fr |
| 23:07.58 | vipersniper | abrotman, how do i check if i upgraded fully |
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| 23:08.16 | demona | GNUStep-based development environment |
| 23:08.24 | jhutchins_wk | quodlibet wants more of gnome than I like. |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | vipersniper: probably hard with a busted apt .. ram check might be in order |
| 23:08.39 | demona | It's been slow, but they did have a release this April |
| 23:08.47 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: it does, but it's nice |
| 23:09.02 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: I'll put it on "the list". |
| 23:09.11 | jhutchins_wk | Thanks for the suggestion anyway. |
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| 23:10.24 | jhutchins_wk | vipersniper: Might be worth doing aptitude clean all && aptitude update. |
| 23:10.35 | ratcheer | demona: But the support pages keep referring to Smalltalk. |
| 23:10.54 | demona | I hadn't noticed the LISP connection, but, that's even better |
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| 23:11.41 | vipersniper | jhutchins_wk, I get segmentation fault for everything |
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| 23:13.55 | jhutchins_wk | vipersniper: dpkg? aptitude? Not just apt-get? |
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| 23:17.13 | jhutchins_wk | If it doesn't talk we eats it... |
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| 23:17.55 | Nik05 | what do we eat? |
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| 23:21.21 | vipersniper | Package zlib1g-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:21.21 | vipersniper | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 23:21.21 | vipersniper | is only available from another source |
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| 23:21.59 | vipersniper | jhutchins_wk, i got apt-get to work |
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| 23:25.53 | sha0coder | hi |
| 23:25.55 | sha0coder | maybe this can be useful for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1DwHIhnj6c |
| 23:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: Hobbit reference. |
| 23:28.25 | Nik05 | oh ok |
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| 23:28.30 | fanculo | ciao |
| 23:28.31 | fanculo | !list |
| 23:28.31 | dpkg | fanculo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 23:30.27 | JohnnyL | Have any of you installed iTunes under wine/debian? |
| 23:30.37 | Nik05 | no |
| 23:30.41 | JohnnyL | I"m gettnig a blank screen and a bunch of debug messages int he console. |
| 23:30.54 | JohnnyL | distnoted.exe error |
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| 23:33.20 | Doom99 | @sney no luck with either drive, clearly something with the xen kernel |
| 23:33.28 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? |
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| 23:35.47 | jhutchins_wk | Is judd still indexing dmm? |
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| 23:37.03 | jhutchins_wk | , versions gstreamer |
| 23:37.04 | judd | No package named 'gstreamer' was found in i386. |
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| 23:38.26 | SiDz | im getting that in dmesg, id like to you what it is http://pastebin.com/Wt25xsi8 |
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| 23:38.40 | SiDz | im pretty sure one of my hdd is dying, but how to know which one? |
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| 23:39.50 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: smartctl -a will tell you |
| 23:40.04 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, may tell you) |
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| 23:41.14 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/215686/ |
| 23:41.38 | SiDz | guess its that one:D |
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| 23:46.20 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: that doesn't look too bad... just a bunch of read dma errors |
| 23:46.50 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: however, you probably want to run self test on it |
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| 23:47.45 | somiaj | check your sata cables or mobo. I have a hd I thought was dying, but it passed the self tests. I think it was the mobo or the cable that went. |
| 23:47.58 | somiaj | (just another suggestion if the drive passes its own self tests) |
| 23:48.11 | SiDz | im gonna change the sata cable just to see |
| 23:48.14 | SiDz | thanks for advice |
| 23:48.24 | somiaj | also try a different sata port -- sometimes those go bad to |
| 23:48.33 | crypticmofo | can you convert a logical parition to a primary parition ? |
| 23:48.44 | somiaj | crypticmofo: why would you need/want to? |
| 23:49.03 | crypticmofo | somiaj, testing windows 8 |
| 23:49.05 | crypticmofo | im on debian |
| 23:49.27 | somiaj | windows 8 can't boot from logical/extended partitions....figured it was beyond that silly limitation by now |
| 23:49.30 | crypticmofo | basically i havea 250 gig hard drive and its 1 big extended parition and i have logical paritions under it .. windows 8 won't install to extended / logical parition |
| 23:49.35 | crypticmofo | yea |
| 23:49.36 | crypticmofo | o_O |
| 23:49.47 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: actually, looking back at it, I'm going to bet that you have a bad sector |
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| 23:50.10 | somiaj | I haven't seen a way to do it (but I have never had a reason). It may be a bit tricky because the partition table uses a single primary parition to put all the logical ones in. |
| 23:50.11 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: if the error was coming from a different LBA, I would think cables, but it looks like 0x00092efb is bad |
| 23:50.48 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: so whatever is at that position is probably screwed; if this is a raid, fail that drive, and replace it. Otherwise, there's probably some on-drive corruption |
| 23:51.11 | dondelelcaro | SiDz: I bet if you do a long self-test, you'll see a failure at that very same LBA too |
| 23:51.39 | somiaj | crypticmofo: google suggest that parted or gparted could do the job. though always backup data for safty |
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| 23:55.04 | somiaj | crypticmofo: another forum post seems to suggest you can do that, but all data will be wiped. Best bet is to backup the data, delete and make a new partition. copy data back. |
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| 23:56.24 | somiaj | crypticmofo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008458 -- someone seems to be sucessful doing it there, seems to be a little partion trickery. Should work but backup your data always to be safe when doing such things |
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