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| 00:04.45 | SiDz | i just changed all cable |
| 00:05.02 | SiDz | smartctl -a output exactly the same |
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| 00:05.12 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/215690/ |
| 00:05.25 | SiDz | ill have to run a self test but its my router, so ill wait |
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| 00:08.12 | crypticmofo | somiaj, |
| 00:08.12 | crypticmofo | Unfortunately on this occasion caljonsmith made an error (which I can promise you, is rare) - when deleting or changing a logical to a primary partition, anything with in the logical partition is wiped. You could try testdisk to restore you data. It will probably re-write the logical partition to do this. If you manage the retrieval of your data, you will have to copy the data elsewhere whilst removing the logical partition. Get te |
| 00:08.12 | crypticmofo | stdisk live cd from the link or you can use ubuntu if it's still functional |
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| 00:08.42 | somiaj | crypticmofo: keep reading, turns out it was a user error and it worked. |
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| 00:09.42 | somiaj | and read how if you keep the data around you can always recover your old partition table |
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| 00:15.01 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? |
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| 00:17.42 | crypticmofo | this sucks |
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| 00:21.44 | crypticmofo | i have a 8 gig thumb drive laying around somewhere |
| 00:21.45 | crypticmofo | :P |
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| 00:23.19 | Crazy-Jake | so, not exactly great at all with ssh. i know enough to get in and set up virtualmin, and apparently break apache/nginx. looking for some alternitives to virtualmin that might be easier to work with and some advice on things to check as to why apache keeps starting but i cant get nginx to go :s |
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| 00:26.35 | Zeeflo | Hey guys. Issue. I host multiple website. But when site a sends e.g. a recovery password email, its sent from site B ?? |
| 00:26.55 | Crazy-Jake | heh, i just realised, i have no idea how to remove virtualmin, and if i do, there are probably other modules and config files scattered around that will stay, or the ones i need will get deleted D: |
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| 00:27.21 | Zeeflo | this must be a sendmail error? |
| 00:27.28 | Crazy-Jake | Zeeflo, could it be that you have the mailer configured to send from a secondary IP? |
| 00:27.54 | Zeeflo | all my sites run on the same ip |
| 00:28.03 | Crazy-Jake | my vps gave me two, im usin both, and i think i can assign some services to run on the second one while the main websites run on the first... |
| 00:28.09 | Crazy-Jake | hm |
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| 00:28.28 | Zeeflo | uhm.. |
| 00:28.40 | Crazy-Jake | check your config files if you havent already, i havent gotten to the point of setting those up yet |
| 00:28.51 | Zeeflo | do i need to configure sendmail to... handle multiple domains or something? |
| 00:29.30 | voytek | Zeeflo, yes, likely, also check that your reverse dns is setup properly for both domains |
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| 00:30.13 | Zeeflo | reverse dns.. |
| 00:30.48 | Zeeflo | how can I set up reverse dns for multiple sites on a single ip? |
| 00:31.04 | Zeeflo | can someone point me in the right direction to fix this |
| 00:31.04 | voytek | might not be related, but if you don't have reverse dns setup, your emails will likely get marked as spam anyway |
| 00:31.10 | Zeeflo | nono |
| 00:31.16 | Zeeflo | that part is ok |
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| 00:46.09 | nkuttler | ,v salt-minion |
| 00:46.10 | judd | Package: salt-minion on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.10.1-2~bpo60+2; sid: 0.10.5-1 |
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| 00:48.57 | loko1 | does anyone know if the madwifi drivers are stable on wheezy ? |
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| 00:54.11 | loko1 | pfff 1233 bots |
| 00:54.40 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: reverse DNS can only map to a single address. |
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| 00:55.42 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: However, to be fine with most mail servers, your helo should map to your IP, your IP to your domain (being the same as your HELO), and your domain map back to the IP |
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| 01:01.31 | Zeeflo | it was a MUA issue |
| 01:01.45 | Zeeflo | everything on the server was configured correctly, of course ;) |
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| 01:21.46 | mhalligan | before I find myself in dpkg hell, can someone recommend the RIGHT way to uninstall and reinstall mysql? Completely, fully, with nothing left behind and no artifacts whatsoever from the original install before it reinstalls? |
| 01:22.06 | mhalligan | every time I attempt this it's 1-3 hours of weirdness. I know there's magic here somewhere |
| 01:22.31 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? |
| 01:23.04 | jagginess | mhalligan, /etc/default/mysql<> probably doesnt get purged, so if you edited that file you should check it |
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| 01:24.09 | mhalligan | jagginess: thanks I'll look at that. |
| 01:24.27 | mhalligan | sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql\* percona\* && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean |
| 01:24.30 | mhalligan | does that sound reasonable? |
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| 01:24.31 | SiDz | how can i backup my entire debian? |
| 01:24.34 | SiDz | like 100% |
| 01:24.36 | homes | automation hate: if you setup your server purely with puppet you could do a reinstall and be done rather fast |
| 01:24.42 | jagginess | mhalligan, how can you be sure mysql is the problem for whatever you're trying? |
| 01:24.49 | mhalligan | jagginess: irrelevant. |
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| 01:25.08 | homes | SiDz: backup the file systems debian is installed on |
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| 01:25.19 | mhalligan | jagginess: I just want to know I can uninstall EVERYTHING idempotently, and idempotence isn't necesarily the goal of debs |
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| 01:25.31 | jagginess | mhalligan, are you asking to purge? (apt-get purge) |
| 01:25.38 | SiDz | homes how |
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| 01:26.01 | jagginess | mhalligan, yeah.. but that doesnt fix things.. mysql is useless unless you implement an application with it. Perhaps it's the application.. |
| 01:26.09 | mhalligan | jagginess: Imagine I wanted the deb equivalent of find / -name "*mysql" |xargs /bin/rm -rf |
| 01:26.18 | homes | SiDz: google it. research. while not perfect, i like involving LVM snapshots. |
| 01:26.22 | mhalligan | Please there's no need to argue this. |
| 01:26.24 | jagginess | mhalligan, mysql is useless without an application to it |
| 01:26.31 | jagginess | ^ |
| 01:26.33 | mhalligan | My needs require me to be able to fully uninstall MySQL. That's the only thing I'm asking. |
| 01:26.39 | homes | s/hate/hat* |
| 01:26.46 | jagginess | mhalligan, no.. you said to reinstall it |
| 01:26.47 | homes | freudian slip? :\ |
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| 01:26.49 | jagginess | good luck |
| 01:26.50 | mhalligan | and reinstall, yes. |
| 01:27.02 | mhalligan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotence |
| 01:27.05 | mhalligan | Idempotence, it's a thing. |
| 01:27.30 | jagginess | well you've spent three hours on this.. so you don't know what you're trying to fix here.. |
| 01:27.33 | mhalligan | so is there a magic command to know that I can run to uninstall mysql completely, and be sure that when I reinstall mysql, it will install as if it's a fres, brand new machine? |
| 01:27.52 | jagginess | i already gave it to you |
| 01:27.56 | mhalligan | I'm trying to completely, 100% uninstall mysql. That's what I need to accomplish. |
| 01:27.57 | jagginess | !rtfm |
| 01:27.58 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 01:28.04 | mhalligan | apt-get purge still leaves a bunch of crap. |
| 01:28.16 | mhalligan | and then when you attempt to install mysql it fails to do things like run mysql_install_db |
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| 01:28.44 | jagginess | then nuke your /var/lib/<mysql> stuff |
| 01:28.49 | mhalligan | Thats not enough. |
| 01:28.57 | jagginess | then move out and get a real job |
| 01:28.59 | mhalligan | apt still pukes all over itself. |
| 01:29.03 | mhalligan | wow |
| 01:29.04 | jagginess | uses mysql for years |
| 01:29.12 | mhalligan | Are you hiring? |
| 01:29.17 | jagginess | yes |
| 01:29.21 | jagginess | I only hire brains.. |
| 01:29.23 | mhalligan | Clearly I can learn from a master like you. |
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| 01:29.31 | mhalligan | me:"How do I do this?" |
| 01:29.35 | jagginess | !ops mhalligan trolling |
| 01:29.35 | mhalligan | you: "why do you want to do this?" |
| 01:29.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jagginess complains about: mhalligan trolling |
| 01:29.41 | mhalligan | \what a douchebag |
| 01:29.51 | mhalligan | !ops jagginess being a donkey raping shit eater |
| 01:29.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: mhalligan complains about: jagginess being a donkey raping shit eater |
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| 01:30.04 | dondelelcaro | mhalligan, jagginess: can both of you please stop? |
| 01:30.08 | mhalligan | seriously. I asked how to idempotently uninstall something. |
| 01:30.21 | dondelelcaro | mhalligan: it depends on the package. In general, there's not a single command to do that |
| 01:30.31 | mhalligan | I didn't ask for your peanut gallery statements about .. anything besides completely uninstalling mysql. The problem I'm having has nothing to do with the action I am attempting to do. |
| 01:30.34 | dondelelcaro | mhalligan: however, in most cases, purging the correct package will do the right thing. |
| 01:30.38 | dondelelcaro | mhalligan: please stop. |
| 01:30.46 | mhalligan | get laid douchebag |
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| 01:31.00 | voytek | sigh |
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| 01:38.39 | SiDz | well fdcserver have problem with they vps array, arent is theyre job to backup my vps and reload the image |
| 01:38.42 | SiDz | or its mine?;p |
| 01:39.27 | SiDz | their vps array* |
| 01:39.53 | SiDz | I am sorry my last response was a mistake. There was a second failure in the array while it was rebuilding which has rendered the array inoperable. If you are able to get any back ups please do so and we will rebuild your VPS on a different hypervisor as soon as you let us know you are ready to proceed with this. |
| 01:40.15 | SiDz | i asked them to backup and reload the image |
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| 01:44.18 | Suppa_Spic | does anyone know if this iptables tutorial still works? http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 01:44.31 | Suppa_Spic | I tried to keep rules after reboot but doesnt work anymore |
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| 01:44.56 | SiDz | how can i save every pkg installed, than restore them after reinstall |
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| 01:45.23 | jagginess | SiDz, you use something about "selections" (somewhere in the manpages) |
| 01:45.35 | jagginess | SiDz, --get-selections and --set-selections if i remember properly |
| 01:45.40 | jagginess | SiDz, (dpkg command) |
| 01:46.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell SiDz -about aptitude clone |
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| 01:47.46 | Suppa_Spic | nvm I just found that there's a iptables-persistant package |
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| 01:57.40 | barfod | so does that iptables-persistent tool make it so a system always uses the then determined address that dhcleint got at startup of a live-usb/cd ? |
| 01:58.07 | barfod | like say in the case that you used a persistence volume for your live usb |
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| 02:09.59 | somiaj | barfod: have you read the manpage? Why not just have iptables filter based on interface and not ip? |
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| 02:11.34 | barfod | i grab a new dhcp lease with busybox each time my live-build starts up. But its pretty noob-way :P |
| 02:11.42 | somiaj | barfod: seems teh tool is for keeping the same iptables firewall after a reboot/restart of your services. You can also achive this by adding a script to y our post-up on your interface |
| 02:11.51 | barfod | so yeah Im sifting through them somiaj , just making slow progress |
| 02:12.11 | somiaj | yea I don't think iptables-presistance is for detecting your current ip, it is for making sure the same ruleset is brought up after a reboot |
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| 02:12.28 | barfod | ok right, thanks somiaj |
| 02:12.32 | somiaj | personaly I like the postup script method. As for making it attach to different ip's, just make your rules effect the interface not the ip |
| 02:13.05 | somiaj | i.e. you can set up INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD rules based on interface alone independent of the ip it is using |
| 02:13.23 | barfod | ok so it would just be looking for my routers address? |
| 02:13.33 | somiaj | what do you mean by that? |
| 02:13.56 | barfod | hmm maybe I just have a lot more to learn about setting up ip addresses by hand |
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| 02:14.11 | somiaj | I think you are confusing the two things. They are different. |
| 02:14.13 | barfod | I'll make a stable install maybe and mess with what yuo are sayiong some |
| 02:14.31 | somiaj | Yes you can probabaly use a static ip with your router, but that is a differnt layer so to speak than setting up an iptables firewall |
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| 02:23.39 | ipalaus_ | hello |
| 02:23.54 | ipalaus_ | anyone with experience with "monit"? they don't have an official channel and I don't know where to ask |
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| 02:24.58 | pfred1 | I don't even know what monit is |
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| 02:26.00 | pfred1 | does aptitude show monit |
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| 02:26.20 | ipalaus_ | pfred1 is a tool for monitoring, http://mmonit.com/ |
| 02:26.30 | pfred1 | yes i can see that now |
| 02:26.33 | ipalaus_ | it can autorestart services, it checks if a pid is running, etc. |
| 02:26.51 | ipalaus_ | i have it working but i was looking for someone that can give advice on an advaced topic |
| 02:26.59 | ipalaus_ | probably I should mail it on the mail list, better |
| 02:27.16 | pfred1 | yes mailing lists are the best forums for advanced topics |
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| 02:36.56 | ManoftheSea | Linux 3.7! Engage! |
| 02:37.13 | dvs | up |
| 02:37.17 | un214 | drivers engaged. initiating quantum waveform please stand by |
| 02:37.20 | dvs | That\s what I'm doin right now |
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| 02:39.01 | ManoftheSea | cut a bunch of modules that weren't being used, then made a bunch of always used compiled in. His .config continues to evolve. |
| 02:39.21 | ManoftheSea | Also, excited about work toward multi-arm. |
| 02:39.40 | ManoftheSea | though... I guess this isn't a "debian" discussion, and I should go to debian-offtopic. |
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| 02:51.01 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? |
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| 02:52.35 | ManoftheSea | hmm... why isn't my cpufreq increasing... |
| 02:52.44 | ManoftheSea | I'm at 100%, but lowest speedstep. |
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| 02:57.22 | Crazy-Jake | is the debian ftp offline? i get 404'd when i try 'aptitude install sudo' |
| 02:58.02 | ManoftheSea | hmm, it's either due to the earlier suspend, or the bind mount of dev into an android chroot. |
| 02:58.12 | dvs | Crazy-Jake: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:03.39 | Crazy-Jake | http://pastebin.com/i6rmsaqD |
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| 03:05.31 | dvs | Crazy-Jake: ftp.us.debian.org has been known to have a few unresponsive servers |
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| 03:05.57 | un214 | ah there's the problem |
| 03:06.10 | Crazy-Jake | should i remove the .us? is there something ftp side that will automaticaly route my connection to a working one? |
| 03:06.20 | un214 | no |
| 03:06.28 | dvs | Crazy-Jake: http.debian.net |
| 03:07.10 | Crazy-Jake | so, deb http://http.debian.net? |
| 03:07.28 | dvs | yup |
| 03:07.37 | Crazy-Jake | and then add squeeze main to the end |
| 03:07.45 | dvs | yup |
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| 03:07.52 | Crazy-Jake | yay i am learning :D |
| 03:08.18 | dvs | Crazy-Jake: oh wait it's http://http.debian.net/debian |
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| 03:19.11 | chrisirc | PS. I solved my keyboard not working issue by opening the Gnome keyboard preferences tool, and selecting another keyboard (France was selected, oddly). |
| 03:20.21 | chrisirc | (This took me about 5 hours to figure out, btw. I followed various useless leads, and, I think, ran into several unrelated bugs.) |
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| 03:22.44 | hotwings | hi. im trying to completely turn off/disable the mouse pointer. im using debian testing without a desktop. but, i do have one xserver running which i run vdr & mplayer in full-screen. i read that you use xinput to do this but im getting an error. could someone please take a look: http://codepad.org/ohgmqqsh |
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| 03:24.32 | dcherniv | hotwings, run xinput set prop as your normal user |
| 03:25.13 | hotwings | i get the same error whether or not i use sudo |
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| 03:37.06 | somiaj | hotwings: I think you want to do it in your xorg.conf file, gonna be kinda tricky there to keep xorg from detecting the pointer (since it is auto) |
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| 03:37.34 | somiaj | hotwings: but that is what I would look into. Try to find some of the options (I belive there is one that allows you to run with out a core pointer device and then another that will keep it from looking for one automatically) |
| 03:37.38 | hotwings | there isnt even a mouse plugged in :\ |
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| 03:38.02 | hotwings | thanks for the suggestion, ill troll xorg.conf for something that might do it |
| 03:38.10 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? |
| 03:38.17 | somiaj | oh so you see the pointer on the screen but it just sits in the middle hotwings ? |
| 03:38.23 | hotwings | yup exactly |
| 03:38.53 | somiaj | a crude hack would be get a 'blank' cursor set |
| 03:39.09 | somiaj | and tell X to use that, then you won't see the pointer cause it is a transparent nothing |
| 03:40.49 | hotwings | there must be some easy way to tell it `turn the mouse pointer off, god damnit` ;\ |
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| 03:41.17 | somiaj | hotwings: a pointer is one of the key components of xorg. I rember when it wouldn't even start if it didn't detect one...so might not be as easy as one thigns |
| 03:42.06 | sammy | so I'm reading this line wrong somehow. it says python-apt : Breaks: python-software-properties (< 0.70.debian-1+) but 0.60.debian-3 is to be installed |
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| 03:42.29 | sammy | and to me that says 'i need python-software-properties installed with a version lower than .70.debian-1+ but 0.60.debian-3 is to be installed' which doesn't sound like a problem to me |
| 03:42.33 | somiaj | hotwings: well I know mplayer has a way to hide the pointer, so just need to make that call |
| 03:42.59 | nubfestngalore | hey guys, i came here to ask some kind of inappropriate question, but i really appreciate debian's "orthodox" community opinion, i heard about lmde distro and i would like to hear some subjective opinions of urs connected to the daily usage of this distro on laptop, maybe u have some guesses or can imagine some pros and cons or hell, idk |
| 03:43.15 | nubfestngalore | sorry for this question and my english lol |
| 03:43.56 | somiaj | sammy: There is acommand you can get apt to compare two versions and tell you what it returns, but if you are getting an error like that you might be mixxing sources. Give the output of 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy python-apt' or your sources.list. Sounds like you are mixing things |
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| 03:44.29 | sammy | somiaj: i am mixing but I'm only lighting up deb-src for the newer distribution in an effort to build from source. |
| 03:44.56 | somiaj | sammy: are you sure? What are you mixing? What version of debian are you running? |
| 03:45.11 | sammy | somiaj: I'm trying to apt-get build-dep package && apt-get source -b package for something not in testing |
| 03:45.50 | somiaj | sammy: well give me the output of 'apt-cache policy python-apt' and 'apt-cache policy pythong-software-properties' |
| 03:45.54 | sammy | somiaj: Ive added deb-src lines for experimental before and build the dependencies from source and then the target package from source, but maybe I'm forgetting something |
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| 03:46.07 | somiaj | sammy: are these the build depends that are giving you issues, or issues when installing the packages you built? |
| 03:46.32 | hotwings | somiaj - i tried the mplayer command to hide the mouse pointer but it doesnt work.. maybe cuz im using vdpau, i dunno |
| 03:46.38 | sammy | the dependencies. |
| 03:46.50 | hotwings | but i dont see/understand why you cant tell xserver to disable the damn mouse |
| 03:47.07 | somiaj | sammy: sounds like a bug as long as you aren't mixing, so lets track it down make sure that is the case. |
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| 03:47.30 | sammy | oh, I'm sorry, when you say not mixing do you mean as long as I'm not missing 'deb' binary lines from different distributions? |
| 03:47.38 | hotwings | this is starting to feel like a linux'ism.. something that should be easy is unnecessarily hard for no remotely sane reason |
| 03:47.40 | sammy | or can I run into this with deb-src lines lit up |
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| 03:48.09 | somiaj | hotwings: I have found a X -nocursor or a startx -- -nocursor argument, might need to modify your dm to pass that option to x |
| 03:49.03 | somiaj | sammy: deb-src lines shouldn't mater. Though sometimes the build depends of a package form one version of debian cannot be met in another. since it is experimental to wheezy and we are still in the freeze this is unlikely |
| 03:49.17 | somiaj | sammy: it is the binary packages you don't want to mix releases with |
| 03:49.21 | sammy | yay thats what I thought! |
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| 03:49.40 | sammy | this is actually a friend running crunchbang. and I thought I could walk him through building gnome3-meta |
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| 03:50.13 | blackness | Hey yall, i switch video cards from a nvidia to a Intel Sandy bridge, anyone know how i go about switching drives to get X/Gdm3 to load? |
| 03:50.19 | somiaj | but there is something either wrong with the dependencys in wheezy (in which case look for a bug-report or report it) or an issue with the build depends of the experimental package |
| 03:50.42 | somiaj | sammy: so this is for crunchbang, and you are mixing debian experimental sources with crunchbang. so you are mixing...go get crunchbang support. |
| 03:50.47 | blackness | i ran the Xorg -configure tool,, copied the new over and all it does is give me a really fast blinking line. |
| 03:50.57 | sammy | awesome. awesome in that I'm not doing anything wrong yet :D thanks for the help, I appreciate it. ill look into the specific issue |
| 03:51.11 | Arrowmaster | blackness: you shouldnt need an Xorg config at all |
| 03:51.12 | hotwings | somiaj - dm? |
| 03:51.20 | sammy | somiaj: fair enough. i thought crunchbang was build on debian testing, and I dont get any response from anyone in #crunchbang :P |
| 03:51.22 | blackness | then what should i do? |
| 03:51.23 | somiaj | hotwings: display manager, such as gdm, your graphical login |
| 03:51.37 | blackness | i was using the nvidia driver, now i believe i need intel |
| 03:51.59 | somiaj | sammy: but they roll their own packages and have their own dependencies. The issue is with their repo and their dependences (since testing changes who knows what or when they grab testings source) |
| 03:52.11 | Arrowmaster | blackness: uninstall the proprietary nvidia driver if you had it, remove your Xorg conf, and it should just work |
| 03:52.23 | blackness | i just tested it, and it works :/ |
| 03:52.28 | somiaj | blackness: two things, make sure you have no xorg.conf file and nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- i.e. you want to take out any call to the nvidia drivers |
| 03:52.30 | blackness | now to fix the reso. thanks Arrowmaster |
| 03:52.47 | somiaj | blackness: second, you need a newer kernel and newer xorg to run sandy bridge, are you running squeeze? If so you need xorg and a kernel from backports. |
| 03:52.51 | hotwings | somiaj - i dont have that.. theres no desktop.. only xserver which runs vdr & mplayer in fullscreen only |
| 03:52.56 | blackness | yes |
| 03:53.04 | somiaj | hotwings: how do you start the xserver? |
| 03:53.16 | blackness | im on 2.6.32-5-openvz |
| 03:53.19 | hotwings | using startx |
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| 03:53.35 | somiaj | hotwings: try starting it with 'startx -- -nocursor' |
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| 03:54.08 | somiaj | blackness: that kernel will not support sandybridge, you need the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports and the xorg from squeeze-backports |
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| 03:54.52 | somiaj | blackness: also are you running this as a VM under openvz? I am unsure how well hardware passes between vms.....In that case you may need to configure the guest to use the correct display |
| 03:55.05 | somiaj | blackness: so I can't really be of help with knowing how openvz is going to effect the issue |
| 03:55.07 | blackness | no, its not running in a VM |
| 03:55.29 | blackness | im not running a virtual openvz anymore..got a guide on howto update to 3.2? |
| 03:56.06 | somiaj | blackness: then why do you have an openvz kernel? Are you runing guest/contains on top...either way backports.debian.org will explain how to use squeeze-backports |
| 03:56.26 | somiaj | you can get xorg, the xorg video intell, and the kernel there that supports sandy bridge |
| 03:56.46 | blackness | i was running a VM..but i stopped |
| 03:56.48 | hotwings | grr, that didnt help |
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| 03:58.48 | somiaj | hotwings: "Sadly, the ability to change the global cursor theme at runtime is not uniform across X11 applications and toolkits." -- quote I found...it is looking like the transparent cursor theme is the best bet |
| 03:59.34 | sammy | somiaj: good point. i didnt know the repos were that different. i guess if they werent they wouldn't need their own distribution? thanks again. |
| 03:59.57 | somiaj | sammy: plus if it is a bug in their builds of the packages, it is them you have to report it to |
| 04:00.04 | somiaj | hotwings: there is an 'unclutter' package |
| 04:00.25 | somiaj | hotwings: might just be able to isntall that and get it to work (it does exactly what I said, it just changes the mouse curosr ot a transparent pixel if it dones't move for a few seconds) |
| 04:00.52 | Crazy-Jake | ok, so, im about to feeldumb again. im going though the steps to set up my server, ive been fine,it's all ssh and command line stuff. im setting up mailman and a configuration window opens. its ssh so i cant click. im trying to use the keyboard to select the english option and hit ok but it keeps reopening the window :s |
| 04:01.48 | pfred1 | tab usually cycles between elements |
| 04:02.06 | pfred1 | can't ssh do gpm? |
| 04:02.08 | Crazy-Jake | im running as an admin, not root, and i may have forgotten to use sudo(i didnt set up keys yet), and im wondering if im doing it right but it's failing and retrying because of that |
| 04:02.37 | Crazy-Jake | yes, im moving from (en) to <ok> with tab and hitting enter :s |
| 04:02.44 | pfred1 | mouse in terminal is cool |
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| 04:03.00 | Crazy-Jake | i dont think i have that? |
| 04:03.26 | pfred1 | $ aptitude show gpm Description: General Purpose Mouse interface |
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| 04:04.00 | pfred1 | all the cool kids are doing it! |
| 04:04.34 | Crazy-Jake | excelent... how do i close this config window to dothat? :P |
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| 04:05.54 | somiaj | hotwings: well I found a way to disable my mouse with xinput if that means anyting, (: |
| 04:06.01 | pfred1 | gpm -t ms I think was the command? has been a while |
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| 04:06.41 | pfred1 | debian has a nice mouse probe package too but I forget what it is called |
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| 04:08.45 | Crazy-Jake | im actualy hoping there is a keyboardcommand i can hit to close this window? otherwise i think i need to restart my ssh client :s |
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| 04:15.31 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/hY8Vx0J3 Why wasn't this monit config stopping the program when it was at over 90% cpu for a long time? The "monit status" shows the high cpu load as well. |
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| 04:28.40 | fishcooker | i want to know bluetooth device manufacturer? |
| 04:28.45 | fishcooker | how to know it |
| 04:29.54 | LtL | fishcooker: run dmidecode as root, should do it. |
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| 04:39.39 | innociv_ | What is the "%id" in top? |
| 04:41.15 | innociv_ | It's not listed in the man |
| 04:41.18 | hotwings | somiaj - actually "startx -- -nocursor" does work. thanks for the help! |
| 04:42.40 | cnz | how can I use tune2fs to change the 5% to 0% on the amount of space that's taken up with running mkfs.ext4 |
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| 04:46.56 | LtL | innociv_: idle maybe? |
| 04:47.18 | innociv_ | I was thinking that. |
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| 04:47.31 | LtL | i'm pretty sure it is. |
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| 04:53.06 | somiaj | hotwings: you can disable it with xinput, provided you disable the correct device |
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| 04:55.16 | hotwings | i tried that but i get: http://codepad.org/ohgmqqsh |
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| 04:56.05 | somiaj | hotwings: try to disable the point for device 4 |
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| 04:56.17 | somiaj | that is what I had to do |
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| 04:57.46 | calvinx | hi, does anyone know if there's a way to install nginx with uwsgi support directly from one of the debian sources? or do I have to resort to manual compile? |
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| 05:21.12 | cnz | anyone here run an ati radeon 6800 series with debain? |
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| 05:25.52 | jcrowgey | hi debian room, does anybody know what happened to the sun-java packages in nonfree? |
| 05:26.30 | jcrowgey | i'm installing the android sdk and the web suggests i'm supposed to use sun's java rather than open-jdk, but i can't guarantee that's right. |
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| 05:27.22 | epsilon | try openjdk, if you need full features, you can still download the original binary |
| 05:27.36 | epsilon | (that one former known as java.sun.com) |
| 05:29.54 | jcrowgey | okay, i can try it. right now when i try to build, i get an error saying that it didn't find tools.jar. perhaps i need to set an environment variable? |
| 05:31.00 | jcrowgey | yah, 'ant debug' says 'unable to find tools.jar. expected to find it in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/lib/tools.jar' |
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| 05:33.24 | epsilon | it can be trcky, i also had to try yesterday few packages until i got a java-application to run |
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| 05:33.46 | epsilon | i ended up with the original from sun |
| 05:34.13 | jcrowgey | so maybe my alternative question is how to point ant to tools.jar ("find /usr/lib/ -name "tools.jar"" returns empty!) |
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| 05:35.43 | epsilon | apt-file search \/tools.jar |
| 05:36.02 | epsilon | showing me 3 packages on squeeze |
| 05:36.37 | epsilon | but if you don't see sun-java, you are probably on wheezy? |
| 05:36.48 | jcrowgey | true, i am on wheezy |
| 05:37.07 | jcrowgey | i don't seem to have 'apt-file' installed either |
| 05:37.15 | epsilon | install it *shrugs* |
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| 05:37.59 | epsilon | it's a handy tool if you're looking for files in packages |
| 05:39.39 | epsilon | btw, better use updatedb and locate to find files on your pc. it's way faster than run find everytime |
| 05:39.40 | jcrowgey | sure, i'm it's building a cache now, i'll search for tools.jar as you suggested. thanks! |
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| 05:41.43 | madmuppet | I am trying to install the ati proprietary drivers on wheezy amd64 and I get an error due to not having the linux-headers-3.2.0-3 .. I do have the linux-headers-amd64 installed .. this is a brand new install any help appreciated |
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| 05:42.59 | Infiltrator | madmuppet: Do you have linux-headers-amd64-3.2.0-3 installed? |
| 05:43.09 | madmuppet | no |
| 05:43.22 | madmuppet | linux-headers-amd64 |
| 05:44.06 | madmuppet | there is nothing in my source list relating to linux-headers-3.2.0-3 at all |
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| 05:44.36 | jcrowgey | okay, this is very strange i think, in the apt-file search i see /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/lib/tools.jar but for some reason i don't see those files on my computer |
| 05:45.41 | jcrowgey | i guess is should try to force reinstall those packages and see what happens? or does anyone have another idea? |
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| 05:49.26 | octopuz | how can i fix the frequency of debian os in my monitor im always ctrl + - whenever i open my pc |
| 05:49.34 | octopuz | how can i fix the frequency of debian os in my monitor im always ctrl alt + - whenever i open my pc |
| 05:49.45 | jcrowgey | okay, maybe i actually didn't have those jdks installed, whoopsie. |
| 05:49.48 | jcrowgey | thanks yall |
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| 05:53.55 | octopuz | how can i fix the frequency of debian os in my monitor im always ctrl alt + - whenever i open my pc |
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| 05:56.22 | Crazy-Jake | what does it mean when it says iptables: command not found when i type "iptables -L" |
| 05:56.27 | Crazy-Jake | because that worked before... |
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| 05:57.15 | epsilon | jcrowgey: dpkg -L java-6-openjdk (or whatever the package is named) |
| 05:57.55 | ManoftheSea | Crazy-Jake: is it in your path? Try `which iptables` or possibly `/usr/sbin/iptables` |
| 05:58.10 | ManoftheSea | my bad. /sbin/iptables |
| 05:58.21 | SiDz | dpkg --get-selections > dpkglist.txt , i then reinstalled debian from 0, now i try dpkg --set-selections < dpkglist.txt |
| 05:58.21 | dpkg | SiDz: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:58.26 | epsilon | Crazy-Jake: "are you root?" |
| 05:58.28 | SiDz | but i get tons of error like that dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 162: make |
| 05:58.43 | Crazy-Jake | derp, not root |
| 05:58.48 | Crazy-Jake | all these guides im using assume im root :P |
| 05:58.52 | SiDz | how can i reinstall all package in dpkglist.txt |
| 05:59.02 | ManoftheSea | SiDz: have you tried apt-clone? |
| 05:59.09 | Crazy-Jake | just to be clear, doing everything on a webserver as root is a stupid thing to do, right? |
| 05:59.16 | epsilon | :P |
| 05:59.19 | cheasee | ive got an ext3 partition to use for spare data (in linux/winxp dualboot env) and home dir for linux. to access it under winxp i use ext2fsd. now after some hours downloading/installing games under winxp into that partition, after booting into linux again that partition has 0 bytes disk space? details: http://pastebin.com/BRvXxgtR |
| 05:59.28 | ManoftheSea | Crazy-Jake: if you know what you're doing, then use root to do it, and then end your root session. |
| 05:59.30 | SiDz | ManoftheSea nope |
| 06:00.06 | ManoftheSea | SiDz: maybe do so? |
| 06:00.10 | Crazy-Jake | lolno, i dont kow what im doing :P im trying to get the firewall setup and the server basics to the point thati can use ISPConfig and manage the rest from ftp :P |
| 06:00.15 | SiDz | yeah ill check it |
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| 06:00.42 | Crazy-Jake | ahha! must have been a bad firewall setting, i can log into the interface now :D |
| 06:00.53 | SiDz | now im getting dependencies probleme when installing pastebinit |
| 06:00.55 | SiDz | weird |
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| 06:08.36 | madmuppet | Im trying to install the proprietary ati drivers but get errors due to not having the linux-headers-3.2.0-3 installed .. I have tried 3.2.0-4-all and the amd64 headers .. there is no reference to the 3.2.0-3 headers in the source list so any help appreciated |
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| 06:12.19 | LtL | madmuppet: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 06:17.07 | madmuppet | Ltl:I get some headers for 3.2.0-4 |
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| 06:19.18 | LtL | madmuppet: i don't know where you would find them then. packages.debian.org possibly. |
| 06:19.25 | somiaj | madmuppet: update your kernel, you have an old version installed. INstall a nwer kernel so you can match the headers to them. |
| 06:19.37 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-3.2.0 |
| 06:19.38 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0' was found in i386. |
| 06:19.45 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 06:19.46 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+46; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
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| 06:19.55 | madmuppet | and one called linux-headers-amd64 which I installed |
| 06:20.08 | somiaj | madmuppet: that is just a metapackage that points to the current version |
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| 06:20.24 | somiaj | madmuppet: dpkg -l | grep linux-image (do you see multiple linux images, is one 3.2.0-4 by chance? |
| 06:21.23 | somiaj | but it just appears that the kernel had a small upgrade since you last installed and thus you cannot get the headers version for the kernel you are running. So upgrade your kernel and reboot |
| 06:21.36 | somiaj | you can find older packages at snapshot.debian.org if you really want the 3.2.0-3 headers |
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| 06:23.48 | madmuppe` | somiaj: was just thinking that I would have to upgrade the kernel .. thats something I have not done .. would a dist upgrade fix my kernel? |
| 06:25.04 | madmuppe` | looks like it may work |
| 06:25.07 | somiaj | madmuppe`: you can just upgrade that one package. what version of debian are you running, where are you getting these kernels if it is squeeze? |
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| 06:25.33 | madmuppe` | brand new install of wheezy .. it has the 3.2.0-3 kernel |
| 06:26.45 | Crazy-Jake | ok, almost done... followed this guide for installing Roundecube, and replaced the 0.7 number with the correct 0.8.4 for the current version. However, it say to go to the web directory to finish the instalation, and i cant seem to find it :s |
| 06:26.46 | Crazy-Jake | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-roundcube-0.7-for-ispconfig-3-on-debian-squeeze |
| 06:26.57 | somiaj | madmuppe`: probabaly just the installer hasn't updated to the newest wheezy kernel 3.2.0-4 -- so yea do that (a full distupgrade is probabaly best) |
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| 06:29.15 | madmuppe` | somiaj: installed the graphic driver yay and rebooting soon find out how it goes .. thanks for the help |
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| 06:32.41 | madmuppe` | it works thanks all |
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| 06:36.11 | alteregoa | good morning |
| 06:36.22 | alteregoa | if something goes wrong on boot, whats an boot option to skip the errors |
| 06:36.26 | alteregoa | in fstab |
| 06:37.06 | alteregoa | e.g i want to mount a compact flash card in fstab, but it should also boot if there is nothing in the thing |
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| 06:37.27 | deather | according to the fstab manpage, you can try to add the 'nofail' option |
| 06:37.48 | alteregoa | so errors=nofail |
| 06:37.50 | alteregoa | or something |
| 06:38.02 | deather | i'm not sure, i'd say defaults,nofail |
| 06:38.14 | deather | the 'error=' option isn't documented in fstab(5) |
| 06:38.27 | alteregoa | _/media/compacflash ext4 noatime,data=writeback,nofail 0 0 |
| 06:38.29 | alteregoa | man fstab |
| 06:38.32 | deather | yup |
| 06:38.37 | deather | that's what i would try |
| 06:38.38 | alteregoa | wrong window lol |
| 06:38.43 | deather | :-) |
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| 06:40.46 | alteregoa | lol rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=0,data=writeback |
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| 06:51.12 | octopuz | how can i fix the frequency of debian os in my monitor im always ctrl alt + - whenever i open my pc |
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| 06:56.29 | epsilon | octopuz: google for xorg.conf |
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| 06:59.04 | octopuz | thank you |
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| 07:03.49 | alusion | Has anyone here used sshm [sshmenu] |
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| 07:07.57 | nillerz | Hello |
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| 07:08.49 | nillerz | Sid is stable, but it isn't like, a normal release, it's a rolling release, meaning if you wait long enough it will be wheezy, right? |
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| 07:35.01 | rohitkav | I got a system without gpu |
| 07:35.08 | rohitkav | how to install blender software |
| 07:35.10 | rohitkav | will it work |
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| 07:38.43 | kshakir | hi Milos |
| 07:40.21 | jelly-home | alusion: it really depends on the specific package and how problematic it's going to be to make stable offerings fit its build dependencies |
| 07:40.28 | jelly-home | aid eh |
| 07:40.56 | jelly-home | serves me right for not checking what the Tab key did |
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| 07:59.27 | contr0l | test |
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| 08:07.48 | holt_kessler | I keep getting a message E:the package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. -any ideas on what this issue could be? |
| 08:09.02 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: try apt-get update |
| 08:09.52 | holt_kessler | streuner__, yes,I did several times -it ends with that message |
| 08:10.27 | holt_kessler | never encountered this before |
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| 08:11.30 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: do you use sid? |
| 08:11.45 | holt_kessler | hmm,sort of |
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| 08:12.08 | Orbitrix | sometimes when i'm using linux |
| 08:12.14 | Orbitrix | i like to imagine all the people who use mac osx |
| 08:12.17 | Orbitrix | and how ignorant they are |
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| 08:12.56 | holt_kessler | bastardized with an unhealthy dose of experimental |
| 08:13.07 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: what kind of distro do you use then? ;-) |
| 08:13.24 | holt_kessler | debian of course |
| 08:13.33 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: good luck then, /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 08:13.45 | holt_kessler | ha ha |
| 08:13.57 | holt_kessler | rofl |
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| 08:14.45 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: whats so funny? :-) |
| 08:14.50 | streuner__ | dpkg, status-recovery |
| 08:14.50 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
| 08:16.05 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: well, if you have experimental packages installed too, i would say, dont use "reinstall" |
| 08:16.21 | holt_kessler | just the way you said good luck thats all |
| 08:16.32 | holt_kessler | regarding experimental |
| 08:17.07 | streuner__ | sure, some DD told us at a debconf, experimental is the playground of DDs ... |
| 08:17.36 | holt_kessler | hey its actually ok most of the time ya know |
| 08:18.10 | holt_kessler | heck,it even behaves differently depending on which box you use |
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| 08:18.47 | holt_kessler | like on this thinkpad the packages so far are behaving |
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| 08:18.57 | holt_kessler | not so on an asus EE |
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| 08:19.59 | holt_kessler | an I sure ain't no DD fer sure |
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| 08:23.19 | contr0l | new to linux, im on mint |
| 08:23.23 | contr0l | need some heko |
| 08:23.24 | contr0l | with irc |
| 08:23.28 | contr0l | help* |
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| 08:23.30 | streuner__ | !mint |
| 08:23.30 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 08:24.33 | holt_kessler | streuner__, I have 6 dpkg .gz files in /var/backup |
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| 08:25.24 | holt_kessler | how do you restore one please? |
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| 08:25.32 | boudiccas | where is the 'trash.desktop' kept please in LXDE that can be emptied by right clicking on it?I've manually created a 'trash.desktop' but it cant be emptied |
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| 08:27.42 | streuner__ | holt_kessler: /var/lib/dpkg/status, just use one of the files in /var/backups/status* and rename it there? |
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| 08:28.52 | jelly-home | ITYM /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
| 08:29.01 | holt_kessler | ahh ok under sudo? |
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| 08:30.13 | jelly-home | holt_kessler: the assumption is you're doing this as root, since that's the only way to make any changes to /var/lib/dpkg directory |
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| 08:30.34 | jelly-home | if you use sudo to run commands as root, yeah |
| 08:31.01 | Scall | I'm looking for a good checkers/draughts game for Debian, is kcheckers the only available in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 08:34.05 | holt_kessler | ok so I need to copy one from /var/backups/dpkg.status to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:34.29 | holt_kessler | and rename |
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| 08:37.29 | jelly-home | the .gz ones will need uncompressing, only the latest can be used as-is |
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| 08:37.42 | jelly-home | (hopefully that's obvious) |
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| 08:53.14 | holt_kessler | jelly-home, its odd,merely rename without tar and they still get read |
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| 08:53.58 | holt_kessler | anyways it looks like all 5 are borked anyways |
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| 08:54.34 | jelly-home | holt_kessler: there's no tar archive there, /var/backups/dpkg.status.1.gz is just a single compressed file |
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| 08:54.57 | holt_kessler | yeah, I know |
| 08:55.08 | jalalsfs | Yeah, I want to use firefox in Debian and I want to get update automatically, how can I do it? |
| 08:55.18 | jelly-home | why mention tar then |
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| 08:55.45 | holt_kessler | I just meant uncompressing them doesn't appear necessary. |
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| 08:55.56 | jelly-home | holt_kessler: that seems unlikely |
| 08:56.17 | holt_kessler | they are still gettin' read |
| 08:56.35 | jelly-home | you mean dpkg -l works when /var/lib/dpkg/status is a gzipped file? |
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| 08:56.54 | holt_kessler | try it on for yourself and you will see |
| 08:57.42 | pats_Toms | Everywhere on net I found messages that I can configure apache modules on debian using ultra cool tool - a2enmod |
| 08:57.53 | pats_Toms | but I don't have it and I have apache from debian repo |
| 08:57.55 | pats_Toms | any ideas? |
| 08:58.00 | holt_kessler | I didn't do no dpkg -l |
| 08:58.28 | holt_kessler | I simply followed what you said earlier |
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| 08:58.56 | formorer | apache2.2-common: /usr/sbin/a2enmod |
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| 08:59.07 | jelly-home | holt_kessler: how did you verify it worked, then? |
| 08:59.11 | jelly-home | dpkg-query: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 0: |
| 08:59.11 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.38 | jelly-home | I get that with "dpkg -l" if there's a gz file in place |
| 08:59.42 | holt_kessler | by copying to /var/lib/ |
| 09:00.05 | holt_kessler | and renaming to status |
| 09:00.14 | jelly-home | holt_kessler: and doing what? |
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| 09:00.59 | holt_kessler | it reads but returns an error |
| 09:01.11 | jelly-home | how useful is that |
| 09:01.30 | holt_kessler | oh its real friggin useful! |
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| 09:01.58 | jelly-home | and after uncompressing it? |
| 09:02.41 | holt_kessler | I didn't as noone mentioned that from the get go |
| 09:03.09 | holt_kessler | It was obvious though |
| 09:03.19 | holt_kessler | .gz |
| 09:03.52 | jelly-home | waits |
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| 09:06.04 | pats_Toms | thanks formorer |
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| 09:06.20 | formorer | apt-file is your friend |
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| 09:06.40 | jelly-home | also, the bot: |
| 09:06.49 | jelly-home | ,file bin/a2ensite |
| 09:06.53 | judd | Search for bin/a2ensite in squeeze/i386: apache2.2-common: usr/sbin/a2ensite |
| 09:07.05 | pats_Toms | I searched using locate |
| 09:07.13 | pats_Toms | locate is really nice |
| 09:07.38 | jelly-home | but gets updated once a day |
| 09:08.18 | pats_Toms | once a day? |
| 09:08.36 | pats_Toms | first time hear about something like that |
| 09:08.40 | pats_Toms | will know next time |
| 09:08.40 | ragedragon | hello guys; i have an issue after compiled the svn revision using the cbp file into a stable rev of CB. i've got a segfault at start: http://pastebin.com/w5J5es9u . i used in the past this way to compile svn revs. Any idea about this issue please? |
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| 09:09.24 | ragedragon | the app is codeblocks |
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| 09:45.43 | pats_Toms | I have interesting problem |
| 09:45.51 | pats_Toms | some one know something about "You have new mail in /var/mail/toms" |
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| 09:46.35 | Armand | Look in said directory... ;) |
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| 09:47.12 | pats_Toms | it's executable |
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| 09:48.04 | pats_Toms | ok, so why I need that thing? :/ |
| 09:48.35 | pats_Toms | is there any way to disable that ultra cool thing? |
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| 09:49.18 | Armand | Sorry... "toms" should be a text file, open it. |
| 09:50.38 | Armand | I wouldn't know how to disable it, or if it's even advised to do so. |
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| 09:54.01 | bniels | MAILCHECK=0 |
| 09:54.06 | bniels | it's a bash thing |
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| 09:57.19 | gnarface | yea you might want to read the mail first before you disable mail notification... but eh, whatever |
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| 09:58.43 | cardamon | Running Wheezy with KDE, but prefering to use Iceweasel over Konqeuer. GTK really isn't playing nice with the dark color theme KDE feeds it, and I keep getting light text in light textboxes, particularly in iceweasel. |
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| 10:01.56 | gnarface | cardamon: pain in the ass huh? unfortunately impossible to fix without overriding website css rules |
| 10:02.19 | gnarface | cardamon: theoretically simple to fix with a custom client-side css applied to all websites though |
| 10:02.30 | cardamon | gnarface: It's also an issue with Eclipse IDE. |
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| 10:04.10 | gnarface | cardamon: of course. in fact, come to think of it, by definition *of* the problem, it necessarily *is* a problem in every browser that has full support of css layer 1 for its form fields (which is actually less browsers than you'd think, of the whole) |
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| 10:05.24 | cardamon | That they pick and chose what information to grab from the system, make assumptions about others, and are otherwise inconsistent? |
| 10:05.25 | gnarface | cardamon: incidentally to be clear, it also would theoretically be fixable by the website css... but who patches for that? most web developers actually probably believe that form field backgrounds are ALWAYS white by default so they don't even think of it |
| 10:05.28 | boudiccas | where is the 'trash.desktop' kept please that can be emptied by right clicking on it in LXDE? I've manually created a 'trash.desktop' but it cant be emptied |
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| 10:05.57 | gnarface | cardamon: yes, that statement of yours is correct. you understand the sad state of web development clearly. |
| 10:06.25 | cardamon | It's not just web development. The Eclipse UI has the exact same issue. |
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| 10:07.19 | gnarface | cardamon: well maybe you can fix it in a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine file, but i think with iceweasel there's some built-in way to add a user stylesheet globally |
| 10:07.35 | cardamon | You literally have to override what white is in gtkrc to force it dark. |
| 10:07.46 | gnarface | hah that's weak |
| 10:07.56 | cardamon | There are. Userstyles.org |
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| 10:09.42 | bniels | boudiccas, if you mean the trashed files itself, they are in ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ (and the corresponding trashinfo files in ~/.local/share/Trash/info/ ). if you mean the trash icon specifically, i don't know. it might be created by the desktop itself (and so maybe has no .desktop file) |
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| 10:11.09 | boudiccas | bniels: no, its the icons itself i'm looking for |
| 10:11.14 | boudiccas | thanks anyway |
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| 10:11.45 | potatoe | any dwm users here? |
| 10:11.54 | potatoe | how would i make dwm tile vertically |
| 10:11.57 | potatoe | i somehow changed it |
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| 10:17.41 | anddam | hi, what is best option to remotely mount a folder hosted on squeeze on an OSX desktop? It's for remote development but I need to use an IDE's features so I'd rather mount the folder locally on OSX |
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| 10:18.23 | anddam | my choice would be NFS, sshfs, SFTP - any hint? |
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| 10:29.29 | jelly | anddam: what other sftp mounting client did you have in mind? sshfs also uses sftp |
| 10:30.25 | ChrisH | anddam: If UID are not the same on all affected boxes, I would prefer SMB/CIFS/Samba over NFS. Even I am a NFS Fan. |
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| 10:47.23 | anddam | jelly, ChrisH actually I just never did this so I'm asking for any advice. My metric is easiness of setup, I'm writing vim in ssh meanwhile but I'd ike to switch to using the IDE ASAP |
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| 10:47.54 | anddam | I've got root permissions on the remote debian server ofc |
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| 10:48.11 | anddam | ChrisH: UID are not the same |
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| 10:48.24 | anddam | ChrisH: like OSX starts at 500 |
| 10:48.51 | anddam | right I didn't think of samba… |
| 10:49.36 | anddam | are SMB/CIFS/Samba actually different protocols? |
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| 10:51.54 | bniels | CIFS is the newer version of SMB. Samba is a server implementation of SMB and CIFS. so for your purpose, it's pretty much all in one pot |
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| 10:52.50 | ChrisH | anddam: ugly question... IIRC CIFS was a commercial samba version. SMB is the procoll and Samba is the OpenSource Version of what Sun solds a Rumba in 'good old days[TM]' :) |
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| 10:54.18 | bniels | as far as i know, CIFS is just the protocol name (Common Internet File System) |
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| 10:56.36 | ChrisH | treat it all als the same undocumented remote filesystem usage way over OS borders with user switching option :) |
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| 10:57.10 | ChrisH | Wikipedia does a redirect from cifs to smb |
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| 10:58.14 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 10:58.34 | Agiofws | how does someone solve a NON GPG key error message ? http://paste.debian.net/215749/ ? |
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| 11:00.00 | ksk | you are missing a publickey? |
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| 11:00.56 | ksk | import the missing key and add it to your keyring ( or maybe you should not use third party repos ) |
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| 11:06.18 | IRChat | 有讲中文的人在吗？ |
| 11:06.30 | IRChat | 有个问题想求教。 |
| 11:06.32 | Armand | .... |
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| 11:06.48 | IRChat | Armand, 你好 |
| 11:06.56 | Armand | Huummm... boxes... nice.. |
| 11:07.32 | themill | !zh |
| 11:07.32 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 11:07.43 | Armand | Got any with chocolate in them? |
| 11:07.55 | K4m4n0 | boxes?? where?? |
| 11:08.04 | Armand | IRChats comments. :P |
| 11:08.16 | Armand | I see boxes with what looks like hex. |
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| 11:08.36 | Armand | Exactly |
| 11:08.55 | K4m4n0 | Oh, I see chink speak |
| 11:08.59 | themill | Armand: you might need a better font for your irc client that covers more unicode glyphs |
| 11:09.10 | themill | K4m4n0: I think you mean "Chinese". |
| 11:09.22 | Armand | I think I'm more inclined to leave it, but thanks. ;) |
| 11:09.30 | K4m4n0 | haha, yes, thats it. |
| 11:09.51 | themill | K4m4n0: It's hard to see the funny side of racism. Perhaps we should move on. |
| 11:09.52 | Armand | I couldn't read it even if the characters were displayed correctly.. lol |
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| 11:12.45 | jelly | I see pretty letters |
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| 11:14.53 | eni23 | hello at all. is there a way to restart udev whitout rebooting? |
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| 11:16.00 | wleslie | I've installed squeeze on a turn-of-the-millenium era box and I don't seem to have sound support, my initial guess is that it needs some proprietary driver (as it worked with etch many years ago). is there a guide to installing proprietary drivers? |
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| 11:16.54 | nevyn | wleslie: I put little stock in your theory. |
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| 11:17.02 | nevyn | wleslie: what hardware does it have? |
| 11:17.25 | nevyn | it could be ac97 which was dropped from the kernel because no dev's had working h/w anymore |
| 11:17.33 | eni23 | wleslie: normally such old devices have good support by the kernel |
| 11:17.56 | eni23 | wleslie: do an lspci & lsusb / lshw as root and paste it somewhere |
| 11:17.59 | themill | it wouldn't be an old ISA card would it? |
| 11:18.21 | wleslie | indeed, it's an ac97 |
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| 11:18.32 | wleslie | (thinkpad t20) |
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| 11:22.08 | nevyn | wleslie: what does twiki have to say about it? |
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| 11:23.13 | somethinginteres | hi all, I just installed debian testing. My sound card is detected (Xonar HDAV1.3) but I am not getting any sound. Anyone who can assist me? |
| 11:23.40 | homes | i run alsamixer and turn up the volumes |
| 11:23.51 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell somethinginteres abount sound |
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| 11:24.11 | nevyn | wleslie: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/CS4297 |
| 11:24.12 | ChrisH | somethinginteres: run /msg dpkg sound |
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| 11:25.22 | wleslie | nevyn: thanks, yeah I might fall back on that |
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| 11:25.59 | nevyn | wleslie: so if the ac97 driver has been dropped (I know it was being discussed can't remember if it actually happened) |
| 11:26.02 | anddam | thanks all |
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| 11:31.20 | nevyn | you could get basic stuff with the sb driver but if it's isa you might need to do the whole isapnp mess |
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| 11:31.51 | surf | hi guys I have a stupid problem. I have a notebook connected to Internet via wifi and a desktop that lacks a wifi card. How can I connect the desktop via cable to the notebook and do postrouting? I'm able to do it on the other way (from cable to wifi postrouting) but not the other way around |
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| 11:33.43 | surf | this one does not work: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:34.34 | somethinginteres | Thanks ChrisH, I had to set my default sound card. Looks like the number of the card changed when I rebooted? |
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| 11:35.38 | ChrisH | surf: Do you need full NAT or only http/https access to the internet? later can be done using a proxy like squid on the Laptop. |
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| 11:36.15 | surf | I think it's better full nat |
| 11:36.38 | ChrisH | surf: then someone else need to jump in here :) |
| 11:36.49 | wleslie | nevyn: thanks for your help. the snd_via82xx module has loaded, so it must be supported. "alsactl init" doesn't find the card yet, but I'll keep poking. |
| 11:36.56 | surf | ok I'll keep on trying |
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| 11:45.53 | burg | hello. are ubuntu repos compatible with debian? |
| 11:46.53 | neon__ | burg - iirc no |
| 11:47.12 | Sm0ke0ut | nope |
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| 11:47.49 | burg | so it is not that easy to install stuff on debian? with apt-get install for almost everything |
| 11:48.02 | nevyn | wleslie: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 11:48.55 | vehicle | I suspect that filesystems aren't being properly umounted upon poweroff and reboot on my squeeze amd64 system running backports xorg, kernel and gnome 2. When I power off through GDM login window, there's a long sequence of lines like stopping alsa, deactivating SWAP and so forth, but when powering off through terminal or Gnome menus there's only switching to runlevel 0 and init: sending processes the term signal lines. |
| 11:49.07 | themill | burg: what are you really wanting to do? |
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| 11:49.43 | burg | to install a distribution with gnome2 |
| 11:50.04 | themill | burg: gnome2 is available in squeeze -- you can just install squeeze and then install gnome |
| 11:50.05 | wleslie | nevyn: --- no soundcards --- |
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| 11:52.15 | burg | themill: i know it is, but i was just wondering how user friendly is debian. i come from ubuntu and there i was able to install lot of things really easy |
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| 11:53.18 | vipersniper | I'm having a problem with perl on debian 6.0 http://pastebin.ca/2291791 |
| 11:53.22 | themill | burg: debian developed apt-get to begin with. There are about 38000 packages that are an apt-get away. |
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| 11:53.52 | themill | vipersniper: what does "aptitude install perl perl-base" want to do? |
| 11:54.22 | vipersniper | the I can't get aptitude installed |
| 11:54.43 | vipersniper | themill* |
| 11:54.51 | vipersniper | because of perl |
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| 11:56.18 | themill | vipersniper: ok. Pity you don't have it already (it is part of the standard tool set ...). Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy perl perl-base libc6 apt dpkg; apt-cache policy" for me? |
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| 11:56.53 | dxtr | Why is it such a hassle to create packages? :/ |
| 11:57.21 | Walex2 | dxtr: "historical" reasons... |
| 11:57.40 | dxtr | I have tried again and again but I just can't do it. fml |
| 11:57.41 | themill | dxtr: if the upstream build system is sane, it's very easy. If the upstream build system is crap, then it's a lot of work because you have to work around it. |
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| 11:58.02 | nevyn | sigh I've been using academic developed software this week |
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| 11:58.16 | dxtr | themill: Well, I'm trying to create a openssh 6.1 package with the HPN patches |
| 11:58.29 | dxtr | ... for armhf |
| 11:58.44 | Walex2 | dxtr: the Debian package format was slapped together without much experience at the very start, and then it got set in concrete, with many subsequent attempts to wrap it up with various cute "helpers". |
| 11:58.50 | nevyn | fakeroot checkinstall fails because they're shelling out to install.sh for everything and building it from ./configure it's bleh |
| 11:59.01 | themill | Walex2: not really true |
| 11:59.15 | Walex2 | dxtr: also building a package has to be hard to make DDs feel they have a challenge :-). |
| 11:59.31 | dxtr | Walex2: Valid reason |
| 11:59.32 | themill | dxtr: you shouldn't need to do any work on the packaging at all for that -- the packaging is all there in experimental and adding in your extra patches should be quite easy to do if they apply cleanly |
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| 11:59.46 | themill | Walex2: also not true. Packaging is really easy, as long as your upstream is not drug fuelled. |
| 12:00.12 | dxtr | themill: I don't want to play around with changelogs, signing, yaddayadda |
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| 12:00.24 | dxtr | I just want to get my source, apply the patch and have a package. Like in Arch :p |
| 12:00.52 | Walex2 | dxtr: there actually a much deeper reason: UNIX was not designed for shared libraries, and interfaces are not first-class objects in UNIX derivatives, and this creates a mess, even if its not as bad as MS-Windows DLL Hell. |
| 12:01.01 | neon__ | anyone knows how to make recorder record from the mix? |
| 12:01.04 | themill | Walex2: please do come back to reality any time you want |
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| 12:01.26 | Walex2 | themill: absolutely trivial packaging is easy only if it goes exactly with the grain of debhelper... |
| 12:01.29 | themill | dxtr: the changelog defines the version of the package and would be a single line entry that you could create using the tool "dch" if you want. You could automate this if you're doing to do it repeatedly |
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| 12:01.49 | themill | Walex2: not really. |
| 12:02.03 | Walex2 | think Debian should switch to RPM |
| 12:02.06 | themill | Walex2: if you need more than a few lines in debian/rules, your upstream is doing something really wrong |
| 12:03.00 | Walex2 | themill: that happens moderately often unfortunately... Also it is not just 'debian/rules', there are a few zillion other little details to sort unless it is a simple standalone package with few dependencies. |
| 12:03.18 | themill | umm... no. |
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| 12:03.56 | themill | dxtr: you also don't need to worry about signing packages at all, unless you want to feed them into an apt repo and are looking for end-to-end verification of the package. |
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| 12:04.38 | vipersniper | themill, http://pastebin.ca/2291795 |
| 12:05.12 | themill | vipersniper: ok, so does "apt-get install perl" sort you out? |
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| 12:07.14 | vipersniper | themill apt-get install perl gives me this http://pastebin.ca/2291800 |
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| 12:08.00 | themill | urgh... that's ugly |
| 12:08.17 | neon__ | how to check that my sound card is configured correctly? |
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| 12:08.28 | ompaul | ,versions perl |
| 12:08.30 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny5; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze4; wheezy: 5.14.2-15; sid: 5.14.2-16; experimental: 5.16.2-1 |
| 12:08.41 | Walex2 | neon__: you listen to the output. No output, it is not configured correctly. |
| 12:09.01 | neon__ | Walex2, I have problem with recording |
| 12:09.17 | Walex2 | neon__: more specifically, GNU/Linux sound is a gigantic mess. |
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| 12:09.35 | themill | Walex2: please feel free to provide real help or just say nothing. |
| 12:09.40 | Walex2 | neon__: so *if you are using ALSA* I have written some troubleshooting advice in rhe following link |
| 12:09.42 | vipersniper | themill, why? :) |
| 12:10.09 | Walex2 | http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles |
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| 12:10.40 | neon__ | I am using alsa, and some intel on board |
| 12:10.45 | vipersniper | themill, might take a reinstall to fix that huh :) |
| 12:10.45 | themill | vipersniper: so this means that the .deb file was downloaded saved to disk and was verified as being OK by apt, but by the time dpkg unpacked it, the file was truncated. |
| 12:10.49 | ompaul | vipersniper: try removing this /var/cache/apt/archives/perl_5.10.1-17squeeze4_i386.deb it looks like the package is faulty but we are not being innundated with people complaining so you might have a bad download |
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| 12:11.08 | themill | ompaul: the thing is that it was ok when apt downloaded it... |
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| 12:11.26 | ompaul | vipersniper: ignore me verbosely :-( |
| 12:11.28 | abrotman | is he still trying to rescue that? |
| 12:11.33 | ompaul | themill: ack |
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| 12:11.43 | themill | vipersniper: so, deleting it and trying again as ompaul said is the first thing to try. Perhaps apt died in a mysterious way and trying again is enough to fix it |
| 12:11.55 | themill | ompaul: but it could also be a filesystem or hardware issue. |
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| 12:12.03 | ompaul | abrotman: are you talking perl or something else? |
| 12:12.04 | themill | vipersniper: ^^ |
| 12:12.16 | abrotman | ompaul: vipersniper's messed box |
| 12:12.20 | ompaul | abrotman: ahh |
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| 12:13.06 | ompaul | vipersniper: given what abrotman said, there is such a thing as cutting your losses and running / starting again |
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| 12:13.36 | abrotman | vipersniper: aren't you the one with the segfaulting apt-get last night? |
| 12:14.01 | neon__ | Walex2, 'lspci | egrep audio' give no results |
| 12:14.07 | Walex2 | neon__: BTW part of the gigantic mess of sound is that there is an unlimited variety of intel sound chipset setups, all alike but different, and not all are supported. |
| 12:14.22 | Walex2 | neon__: 'aplay -l'? |
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| 12:14.33 | diverdude | I have created a raid5 array with a total capacity of 10.74TB, which shows up just fine when i run the GParted Live disk. But when i boot in my debian system, the raid array (called md1) is not shown in /dev. What could be wrong? |
| 12:14.40 | vipersniper | abrotman, yes :0 |
| 12:14.49 | abrotman | neon__: why not paste 'lspci -nn' for us to review it? |
| 12:14.56 | neon__ | ard 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog] |
| 12:14.58 | abrotman | in a pastebin :) |
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| 12:15.25 | Walex2 | diverdude: very many things. What does 'mdadm --assemble --scan' say? Is your '/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf' empty? |
| 12:15.28 | ompaul | vipersniper: that means your apt-get is dead in the bed, out of hope, gone, an ex apt-get |
| 12:15.29 | themill | vipersniper: funny failures like apt segfaulting earlier and truncated downloads are frequently associated with a dodgy memory module in your machine. |
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| 12:15.48 | Walex2 | ompaul: it is just sleeping :-) |
| 12:16.05 | abrotman | themill: or failing hdd |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | erm vipersniper |
| 12:16.35 | vipersniper | ompaul, that worked now perl is installed |
| 12:16.45 | neon__ | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 02) |
| 12:16.46 | vipersniper | by removing the .deb |
| 12:17.05 | themill | vipersniper: so: (1) try deleting the downloaded .deb then re-run apt-get update; apt-get install perl (2) make sure you have backups (3) also install memtest and debsums (4) check your memory (5) check your filesystems (6) check your installation with debsums |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | neon__: what is uname -r ? |
| 12:17.22 | neon__ | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:17.44 | abrotman | neon__: i'd probably grab the kernel from backports:debian.org |
| 12:17.51 | Walex2 | neon__: also consider: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#tasksRecord |
| 12:17.54 | abrotman | s/:/./ |
| 12:18.40 | Walex2 | neon__: and yes as <abrotman> suggests it is very likely that the 3.2 series backported kernel has support for more variants of the intel chipset than 2.6.32... |
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| 12:19.07 | vipersniper | themill, Now I have aptitude installed |
| 12:19.11 | vipersniper | :) |
| 12:19.20 | neon__ | k, I'll upgrade kernel |
| 12:19.29 | themill | vipersniper: before you do too much more with that box, make backups and run those diagnostics |
| 12:19.38 | vipersniper | ok |
| 12:19.50 | Walex2 | neon__: other important detail... |
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| 12:20.25 | vipersniper | themill, I will check, thanks for the help |
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| 12:20.37 | vipersniper | everyone |
| 12:20.44 | diverdude | Walex2, that says nothing |
| 12:21.08 | themill | vipersniper: btw, /msg dpkg memtest ; /msg dpkg forcefsck ; /msg dpkg debsums |
| 12:21.14 | Walex2 | neon__: with intel chipsets you often have to choose via a module parameter the specific variant to configure the module for. For example on my laptop I have to use 'model=ideapad' even if it is a Toshiba. |
| 12:21.19 | diverdude | Walex2, no the .conf is not empty |
| 12:21.47 | Walex2 | diverdude: that '--scan' says nothing is not a good sign. |
| 12:21.48 | abrotman | Walex2: i havent had to do that in about 7 years ... |
| 12:21.59 | dxtr | So... What if I want to upgrade the current openssh package to 6.1p1 with HPN patches? ;) |
| 12:22.05 | diverdude | Walex2, hmm why not? |
| 12:22.07 | Walex2 | abrotman: you have had an easy and lucky sound life... |
| 12:22.09 | abrotman | though, i generally buy thinkpads |
| 12:22.18 | themill | dxtr: did what I tell you earlier not work? |
| 12:22.33 | vipersniper | themill, which package memtest86+ memtest86 memtester |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | vip |
| 12:22.54 | Walex2 | diverdude: do you *know* which partitions you have configured for the RAID set? |
| 12:22.56 | abrotman | vipersniper: if you cnan, the bootable cd |
| 12:23.10 | Walex2 | diverdude: are they listed in '/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf'? |
| 12:23.22 | vipersniper | abramart, its a remote computer |
| 12:23.30 | dxtr | themill: It's still a goddamn hassle. I still have to create a rules file :( |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | vipersniper: ilo? |
| 12:23.43 | themill | dxtr: umm. no. That's exactly what I said you didn't need to do. |
| 12:23.58 | neon__ | Walex2, where is the configuration parameters, and what is the name of the module? |
| 12:24.05 | dxtr | themill: Well, it said I Have to |
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| 12:24.12 | themill | "it"? |
| 12:24.15 | dxtr | debuild |
| 12:24.23 | vipersniper | abrotman, hat is ilo? :) |
| 12:24.24 | vipersniper | what* |
| 12:24.47 | abrotman | vipersniper: remote console of sorts |
| 12:24.50 | themill | dxtr: which isn't what I said you could do. I was suggesting that you grab the source package from experimental where you'll find the exact version of openssh already packaged and then you either add your patches or change your configure options as required. |
| 12:25.03 | dxtr | oh, that part |
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| 12:27.00 | vipersniper | abrotman, yeah, that what i have remote console |
| 12:27.29 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 12:27.58 | themill | dxtr: "debsnap openssh 1:6.1p1-2" would be a good start for you. |
| 12:28.01 | colo-work | if I restart Debian's nfs-kernel-server initscript (to apply config changes - more server threads), what will happen to mounted exports? will they lose connection and make clients unhappy? I'm afraid so, but I cannot try anywhere right now. |
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| 12:29.25 | ChrisH | colo-work: should not harm any client.. as long you not un-export stuff which is mounted |
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| 12:29.37 | bniels | colo-work, on a correctly configured NFS infrastructe, an NFS server going away for a short time shouldn't matter at all |
| 12:30.02 | ChrisH | check it using showmount -a |
| 12:30.34 | dxtr | themill: Oh there's a tool for that? :P |
| 12:31.04 | themill | dxtr: sure. Or you can stick the deb-src line in your sources.list and then "apt-get source openssh" would be enough. |
| 12:31.22 | neon__ | I am trying to upgrade the kernel using synaptic, but it complain that linux-base version to be installed is too low. Then I marked linux-base from backports, and went to mark linux image, then it want to remove the kernel that I currently have. But I don't want to remove taht kernel, What if the new kernel will have a problem? that is what I think. Maybe apt-get will give me better results.. but it is a pain to write the command line for |
| 12:31.28 | neon__ | backports |
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| 12:32.00 | neon__ | maybe I'll get linux-base first and then try to upgrade linux image |
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| 12:32.12 | themill | dxtr: (apt-get source would also unpack the source for you; with debsnap you'll want to unpack the source with "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | use the aptitude instructions neon__ |
| 12:32.34 | ksk | neon__: what are you trying to archive? |
| 12:32.49 | abrotman | ksk: install bpo kernel, using syanptic |
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| 12:34.20 | abrotman | where on the bpo website does it suggest synaptic would work? |
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| 12:35.51 | diverdude | How do i get a commandline interface to pastebin? (pastebinit dows not work) |
| 12:36.18 | abrotman | pastebinit |
| 12:36.35 | diverdude | abrotman, as i said that does not work |
| 12:36.39 | neon__ | aptitude is even more annoying then synaptic. It want to remove more stuff, and install stuff that aren't related |
| 12:36.49 | abrotman | diverdude: it does |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | neon__: using what command? |
| 12:37.48 | neon__ | abrotman, the cli gui |
| 12:37.48 | abrotman | diverdude: you probably have to choose a different paste site |
| 12:37.51 | abrotman | neo |
| 12:37.55 | Walex2 | neon__: the config params can be put in a file under '/etc/modprobe.d/' and usually the module is 'snd-hda-intel' nowadays. |
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| 12:38.06 | abrotman | neon__: is that what the instrucutions say to do? |
| 12:38.07 | neon__ | abramart, I pressed g |
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| 12:38.15 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:38.24 | Walex2 | neon__: I usually use '/etc/modprobe.d/zlocal' for my local settings. |
| 12:38.29 | neon__ | abrotman, which instructions :*/ |
| 12:38.31 | abrotman | maybe try reading next time |
| 12:38.36 | abrotman | ON THE WEBSITE |
| 12:38.51 | bniels | diverdude, any chance you're looking for the command called "script"? |
| 12:38.54 | abrotman | the link that says Instructions |
| 12:39.09 | abrotman | bniels: that pastes to a website? |
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| 12:39.28 | bniels | abrotman, no, but he might not know how to do a typescript |
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| 12:40.18 | Nillerz | Hey |
| 12:40.25 | neon__ | abrotman, sorry, i seem to be out of sync, i don't know which website you refer to. I can google aptitude instructions backports if that what u mean. |
| 12:40.44 | Nillerz | Is it possible to install iwlwifi without having internet access? |
| 12:40.54 | abrotman | neon__: backports.debian.org ... |
| 12:41.13 | abrotman | neon__: where did you think you were going to install a 3.2 kernel from? |
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| 12:41.35 | abrotman | Nillerz: sure, grab the firmware package, use dpkg -i |
| 12:41.38 | ompaul | Nillerz: yes you can get it from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 12:41.55 | Nillerz | Awesome, thanks |
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| 12:43.07 | dxtr | themill: dpkg-source -x applied all those goddamn patches that I don't want :P |
| 12:43.18 | dxtr | Can I, like, tell it to not apply them? |
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| 12:44.41 | bniels | why do you care about them? might be security fixes and stuff |
| 12:45.35 | dxtr | I trust the openssh dewvs |
| 12:45.36 | dxtr | devs |
| 12:45.47 | dxtr | And I looked at them.. They are not security fixes |
| 12:46.29 | abrotman | dxtr: in sqqueeze? |
| 12:46.37 | neon__ | does upgrading the kernel automatically upgrade the nvidia modules? |
| 12:46.40 | dxtr | auth-log-verbosity.patch authorized-keys-man-symlink.patch debian-banner.patch mention-ssh-keygen-on-keychange.patch etc. |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | neon__: depends how you installed the drivers |
| 12:46.55 | dxtr | abrotman: Uhm... No. Wheezy if it makes a difference |
| 12:47.02 | abrotman | it would |
| 12:47.02 | neon__ | dkms |
| 12:47.08 | abrotman | or could anyway |
| 12:47.13 | dxtr | How come? |
| 12:47.15 | neon__ | abrotman, and I get failed |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | neon__: it should ... |
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| 12:47.41 | neon__ | dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64: nvidia (195.36.31)...failed. |
| 12:48.16 | dxtr | abrotman: Frankly I don't trust anything that applies patches against my will :P |
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| 12:51.12 | abrotman | dxtr: debian backports all sorts of security and stability patches, check the changelog, not the patches |
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| 12:51.31 | abrotman | goes underground |
| 12:51.35 | dxtr | abrotman: .. to experimental? |
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| 12:51.45 | abrotman | no |
| 12:51.49 | dxtr | Well then |
| 12:51.52 | abrotman | rb |
| 12:51.53 | abrotman | brb |
| 12:52.12 | dxtr | Also, I can't for my life understand why libgtk0-dev is a build dependency |
| 12:52.13 | neon__ | abrotman, I installed the headers and it failed again. |
| 12:52.19 | dxtr | err, libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 12:53.21 | Solengoo | hi |
| 12:53.30 | Solengoo | I have a weird question. Would you suggest me a website or a forum where I can find out about the latest trends in development? |
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| 12:54.30 | diverdude | abrotman, when i run cat tmp3 | pastebinit i get an error: THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API |
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| 12:55.41 | jelly | diverdude: | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:56.25 | neon__ | abrotman, now it got updated ok |
| 12:56.30 | diverdude | jelly, hmm how do i then know the generated url? |
| 12:56.46 | neon__ | reboot |
| 12:57.15 | jelly | diverdude: it should appear as output of the command |
| 12:57.51 | diverdude | jelly, it does not |
| 12:58.29 | jelly | diverdude: that means something went wrong; try http://paste.ubuntu.com as well |
| 12:58.41 | abrotman | diverdude: Read the docs |
| 12:58.45 | jelly | their API seems stable |
| 12:59.09 | jelly | and they don't have a size limit on short pastes like debian.net does |
| 12:59.11 | diverdude | jelly, ubuntu worked |
| 12:59.16 | abrotman | dxtr: the experimental packages still have a debian changelog |
| 12:59.21 | jelly | diverdude: ubuntu is the best! |
| 12:59.32 | diverdude | jelly, it seems so :) |
| 12:59.40 | themill | dxtr: openssh source package also builds ssh-askpass-gnome. |
| 13:00.15 | themill | dxtr: and if you want to go for the "I only want stuff from openssh upstream", then you will find that you have something that does not compile under linux at all. |
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| 13:00.53 | diverdude | Walex2, this is the output of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1427500/ |
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| 13:01.36 | sKeiths | trying to install nvidia-kernel-dkms and it fails. and assistance in fixing appreciated. http://paste.debian.net/215765/ |
| 13:01.47 | sKeiths | any* |
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| 13:03.27 | themill | sKeiths: the problem there is not nvidia stuff but vmware stuff (and this error will have been there for a while). You need to fix your vmware init scripts |
| 13:03.39 | themill | dpkg: tell sKeiths about missing lsb tags |
| 13:04.02 | sKeiths | I just installed from scratch yesterday. |
| 13:04.31 | themill | so this problem has been there since you installed init scripts for vmware -- it's just that you only noticed the problem now. |
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| 13:05.01 | sKeiths | ty, i'll read these docs |
| 13:06.29 | themill | sKeiths: picking something similar from init.d and copying (+adjusting) the LSB headers is the easiest way most of the time |
| 13:07.42 | sKeiths | could this be caused if I have not rebooted since installing vmware |
| 13:08.40 | diverdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.05 | Walex2 | diverdude: well, then '/dev/md/0' should come up if the block devices are visible |
| 13:09.36 | Walex2 | diverdude: you perhaps have the wrong impression as to what MD RAID set names should be... |
| 13:09.59 | Walex2 | diverdude: look at 'cat /proc/mdstat' to confirm. |
| 13:10.33 | themill | sKeiths: not running "insserv" or "update-rc.d" manually or not having installed anything else that installed an init script would do this. |
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| 13:11.22 | diverdude | Walex2, hmm in there it only says md0 |
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| 13:11.37 | Walex2 | diverdude: is that a 5-wide RAID? |
| 13:11.41 | diverdude | Walex2, but if i boot in gparted live cd and run same command it says both md0 and md1 |
| 13:12.27 | Walex2 | diverdude: what it says in 'gparted' does not matter, because it can come up with a different path in Debian. What matters is the UUID and the list of component devices. |
| 13:12.34 | diverdude | Walex2, hmm im not sure what you mean with that. Its a raid5 array running on 4 different partitions which are spread across 4 disks |
| 13:13.07 | Walex2 | diverdude: do you see the names of the partitions in the output of 'cat /proc/mdstat'? |
| 13:13.26 | Walex2 | diverdude: have you tried 'mdadm --query <names of partitions>'? |
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| 13:13.47 | diverdude | Walex2, only under the md0 array |
| 13:14.04 | Walex2 | diverdude: are the partition names appearing under '/proc/partitions'? |
| 13:14.50 | Walex2 | diverdude: the '/dev/...' path under which an array appears is totally arbitrary. Again what matters is the UUID of the array, and the list of members of the array. |
| 13:15.10 | diverdude | Walex2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1427517 |
| 13:15.13 | Walex2 | diverdude: also, it is not clear to me whether you expect to see one or two arrays. |
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| 13:15.39 | Walex2 | diverdude: you haven't told me which partitions *should* be part of the array. |
| 13:15.41 | diverdude | Walex2, i expect to see 2 arrays md0 and md1, but i only see md0 |
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| 13:16.03 | Walex2 | diverdude: nice, and which partitions should be part of each? |
| 13:16.04 | diverdude | Walex2, that should be sdX3, X=a,b,c,d |
| 13:16.41 | Walex2 | diverdude: then most likely the issue is that the second array has no line in '/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf'. |
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| 13:17.34 | diverdude | Walex2, aha, what should that line be? |
| 13:18.12 | Walex2 | diverdude: well, you should tell me :-) as you created the array... |
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| 13:19.28 | sKeiths | themill: as you said, it was vmwares lack of lsb header. once overrides were installed apt-get got on with the job |
| 13:19.40 | Walex2 | diverdude: you could follow for example https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup#Saving_your_RAID_configuration |
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| 13:19.55 | diverdude | Walex2, hmm im not sure...should it be something similar to : ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a7dba897:2535ade5:fbc2fd33:ae983d32 name=debian:0 ? |
| 13:20.04 | Walex2 | diverdude: following the "Ubuntu" case |
| 13:20.15 | dxtr | themill: Oh really? That's funny. I just compiled 6.1p1 without applying any debian patches |
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| 13:20.21 | themill | sKeiths: yeah, I gather insserv in wheezy is less picky about this (it will just put the script at the end and will be fine) but for the time being, we occasionally need to mess with non-debian init scripts like this |
| 13:20.27 | Walex2 | diverdude: it should be similar but probably with different values, as that looks like your other RAID. |
| 13:20.38 | diverdude | yes, this is exactly what i did: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 13:20.46 | diverdude | just 1 instead of 0 |
| 13:20.48 | themill | dxtr: not from the openssh upstream you didn't. You might have compiled the version that already carries a pile of patches to allow it to compile on non-bsd. |
| 13:20.51 | diverdude | mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
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| 13:21.08 | Walex2 | diverdude: however, just to be sure, you can also run 'mdadm --query /dev/sd?[123]' |
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| 13:21.38 | dxtr | themill: http://www.openssh.org/portable.html from "The OpenSSH Portability Team" |
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| 13:21.53 | dxtr | I'd say that's upstream |
| 13:22.05 | themill | dxtr: right, so it's not actually openssh upstream but their patching team. Patches exist for all sorts of reasons. |
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| 13:22.20 | dxtr | themill: I said "apply patches *again my will*" |
| 13:22.23 | dxtr | err, against |
| 13:22.27 | themill | dxtr: to throw them all out is not necessarily a good plan. To carefully consider them is worthwhile. |
| 13:22.50 | dxtr | themill: Well, I don't need the gnome things. Or the selinux things. Or the manpage symlinks. Or the gssapi crap |
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| 13:23.01 | dxtr | And I definitely don't need another log level |
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| 13:23.35 | dxtr | Also, why are these patches not applied upstream if they are so important? |
| 13:23.44 | themill | dxtr: many are -- but that takes time |
| 13:23.48 | diverdude | Walex2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1427536/ |
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| 13:24.13 | themill | dxtr: if you don't need them, they're also not an issue to you, so you can just ignore them and move on. In any case, *nothing* on a computer does anything against your will. If you don't want a patch, don't included it in the debian/patches/series file. (learning how to use quilt may be an advantage) |
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| 13:25.15 | dxtr | themill: That's what I did. But dpkg-source -x applied them automatically |
| 13:25.19 | themill | dxtr: if you look inside each patch, you'll find a discussion of what it is there for, a link to the debian bug it fixes, usually a link to the same bug in the upstream bug tracker and some description about how and why it is there. |
| 13:25.38 | themill | is not going to keep repeating himself. |
| 13:26.21 | dxtr | themill: That's exactly what I did |
| 13:26.26 | dxtr | And I decided that I don't need 'em |
| 13:26.35 | themill | so, problem solved. |
| 13:26.36 | dxtr | Why would anyone need, for example: helpful-wait-terminate.patch syslog-level-silent.patch shell-path.patch debian-banner.patch package-versioning.patch authorized-keys-man-symlink.patch ssh-argv0.patch gnome-ssh-askpass2-icon.patch debian-config.patch ? |
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| 13:27.17 | diverdude | Walex2, that looks ok right? |
| 13:27.28 | dxtr | themill: Those patches are what I call "bloat" :) |
| 13:27.54 | neon__ | Walex2, upgrading the kernel didn't help anything |
| 13:27.58 | themill | dxtr: then you don't know what you are talking about and have redefined "bloat" in the process. have fun. |
| 13:28.21 | dxtr | Why don't I know what I am talking about? |
| 13:28.34 | CissWit | dxtr: #debian on freenode is definetly not the place to talk about such things. You should open a bug about the openssh package if you want to improve the packaging of openssh on debian. |
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| 13:29.31 | Walex2 | diverdude: yes... The question is why '--scan' does not report two arrays. |
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| 13:30.37 | themill | dxtr: the day when improving documentation is considered "bloat", I think I will give up on free software entirely. |
| 13:30.53 | neon__ | Walex2, I have alsa-base.conf |
| 13:31.20 | Walex2 | neon__: check the output of 'aplay -l' then or put it on some pastebin |
| 13:31.27 | diverdude | Walex2, thats true |
| 13:31.48 | dxtr | themill: Well, it isn't improving anything. That's kinda the point |
| 13:31.57 | dxtr | Just changing things for the sake of changing |
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| 13:32.14 | Walex2 | diverdude: let's try to being it up manually then... |
| 13:32.28 | themill | dxtr: not at all. You're making it look like you haven't looked at these patches at all. Perhaps we should just move on... |
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| 13:32.38 | neon__ | http://pastebin.com/ZTHStf3k Walex2 |
| 13:32.40 | Walex2 | diverdude: mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sd[abcd]3 |
| 13:33.30 | Walex2 | neon__: it seems it is fully recognized and probably working. |
| 13:33.36 | dxtr | themill: I looked at each and every one of them, frankly. I even compared it to the original source. And I still don't see the point with them. |
| 13:34.02 | Walex2 | neon__: what does 'arecord -l' say? |
| 13:34.23 | neon__ | Walex2, when I record using the gnome-sound-recorder 2.30 it sound choppy |
| 13:34.49 | Walex2 | neon__: you have said this a long long long time ago. "doesnt work" is not such a useful problem report. |
| 13:35.01 | themill | dxtr: so documenting the file format so "man 5 authorized_keys" works as expected is bloat? So documenting ~& is bloat? And permitting people to disable version strings in handshake (to allow them to pass PCI security compliance tests) is bloat? |
| 13:35.02 | diverdude | Walex2, it says now: mdadm: /dev /md1 has been started with 4 drives |
| 13:35.06 | neon__ | arecord say exactly what aplay said |
| 13:35.18 | themill | dxtr: I could but do not intend to go through the rest of them in the same way. Let's move on. |
| 13:35.44 | dxtr | themill: And how is adding gnome-ssh-askpass2-icon improving anything? |
| 13:35.46 | Walex2 | diverdude: so you have it |
| 13:36.11 | dxtr | And frankly. A man page for authorized_keys? |
| 13:36.18 | Walex2 | neon__: if the recorded sound is choppy it can be one of very many issues, usually either fragment size or recording application priority. |
| 13:36.22 | neon__ | Walex2, when I record using the gnome-sound-recorder 2.30 it sound choppy when I play back what was recorded, and i cant chose to record from the mix |
| 13:36.23 | Walex2 | neon__: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#issues |
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| 13:36.57 | Walex2 | neon__: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#tasksRecord |
| 13:37.00 | diverdude | Walex2, is it then also mounted automatically? |
| 13:37.21 | themill | dxtr: a file format should be documented, yes. And including an icon in the package and then not using it is a bit silly. |
| 13:37.43 | dxtr | Why even include the icon? |
| 13:38.13 | themill | dxtr: why not? Do you like all your windows to have a nice pretty X as their icon? |
| 13:38.41 | Walex2 | diverdude: not necessarily. If you want it to autoassemble you should add the description to '/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf' but then '--scan' which is usually used to generate a 'mdadm.conf' entry does not seem to detect the array. |
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| 13:38.56 | themill | dxtr: I really do think we should stop wasting our time now. |
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| 13:39.19 | dxtr | my windows don't even have icons.. |
| 13:39.23 | diverdude | Walex2, so if i restart the computer now the raid array will be gone again? |
| 13:39.41 | neon__ | Walex2, changing latency didnt help |
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| 13:40.15 | Walex2 | diverdude: if you do 'mdadm --detail /dev/md1' it should give you the UUID, so you can clone the entry for 'md0' (and you ought to change the path for 'md0' from '/dev/md/0' to '/dev/md0' IIRC). |
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| 13:42.30 | diverdude | Walex2, what about name=debi$, should that be the same in the 2 lines? |
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| 13:42.50 | Walex2 | neon__: try changing fragment size etc. editing '/etc/asound.conf'; but often it is easier to just get another sound card, usually a USB one. |
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| 13:43.24 | Walex2 | diverdude: well, ideally you have given a different name, not just UUID, to the two arrays, and 'mdadm --detail' will tell you. |
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| 13:49.50 | Gargantua | Hi, when an from debian-security-announce says that a problem has been fixed for my version of debian, does that mean it'll show up when I do "apt-get upgrade? |
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| 13:50.39 | MrTorque | i got degraded raid-status just after creating the raid 1 and adding a partition. Is this because I did simultaniously create 3 raids? |
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| 13:51.42 | themill | Gargantua: you need to run "apt-get update" first. Check the version that it says is fixed and you'll see that version in "apt-get policy $packagename" if it's available. |
| 13:52.03 | neon__ | Walex2, I don't have /etc/asound.con |
| 13:52.09 | neon__ | conf |
| 13:52.34 | diverdude | Walex2, does this look ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1427579/ |
| 13:52.54 | somiaj | Gargantua: make sure you have security.debian.org sources, otherwise you won't see the update in stable. If you are running wheezy it may be a while until the update is available. |
| 13:53.21 | Gargantua | actually I just doubled-checked my sources, didn't have security.debian.org. |
| 13:53.28 | Gargantua | facepalms |
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| 13:55.53 | diverdude | Walex2, ? |
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| 14:00.12 | diverdude | Walex2, hmmm md1 is still gone when i restart the machine |
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| 14:01.42 | diverdude | I have a raidarray: /dev/md1. However, this is only available in the system after i have done mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev?[abcd]3. When i restart the array is no longer available and i need to write this command again. How do i make it available after restart automatically? |
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| 14:07.51 | Vanfanel | hi there; I've distcc working on both server and client machines, with correct ips in config files, etc. However, distcc outputs "port 3632 connection refused" on client. Any ideas? |
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| 14:08.13 | Vanfanel | client and server can see each other as they are in the same network |
| 14:08.25 | Nillerz | Hey, how do you connect to a VPN on Debian Wheezy? The option to "add" in the NM-Applet is grey'd out. |
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| 14:08.57 | ripero | hi; is it possible/meaningful to file a bug for a package in experimental? |
| 14:09.01 | feralpuppies | apt-get install networkmanager-openvpn |
| 14:09.07 | feralpuppies | should be it anyway |
| 14:09.34 | themill | Nillerz: what sort of vpn is it? |
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| 14:09.47 | feralpuppies | or networkmanager-pptp |
| 14:09.49 | feralpuppies | or whatever |
| 14:10.10 | themill | feralpuppies: it's network-manager btw, and you'd need the UI for it too |
| 14:10.27 | feralpuppies | oh ok, still getting used to package name differences |
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| 14:18.52 | somiaj | feralpuppies: learn to use apt-cache search, or aptitude search |
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| 14:23.33 | somethinginteres | trying to install skype on testing using the offical .deb I've enabled multiarch and dpkg -i but unmet dependences won't install with apt-get install -f. Any pointers? |
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| 14:24.11 | themill | somethinginteres: the full output in a pastebin would be handy |
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| 14:25.39 | somethinginteres | themill: sure thing. 2secs. |
| 14:26.33 | boudiccas | How can I ensure that my 'iptables-save' file is loaded on reboot please for my iptables? |
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| 14:30.20 | Ontology | boudiccas: Normally, I just put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ that calls iptables-reload < /path/to/iptables |
| 14:30.41 | boudiccas | Ontology: ah, right, thanks |
| 14:30.43 | somethinginteres | themill: I'm not sure what I did differently but it appears to be working now. False alarm. How odd. I've been working at this for some time before logging on here. |
| 14:31.05 | themill | that's the magic of #debian at work ;) |
| 14:31.11 | Ontology | boudiccas: Make sure that you make the file executable, and I'd have it run *after* all of the other scripts, so preface the file with 99_ or something |
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| 14:32.19 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 14:32.25 | Suppa_Spic | boudiccas: there's a package called iptables-persisten, it does all the work for you |
| 14:32.39 | Suppa_Spic | I dont know why but my if-pre-up script stopped working |
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| 14:43.13 | jelly | I want to detect when a fs error happens; is there an easy way to trigger an error and remounting-ro of an ext3 fs? |
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| 14:44.15 | jelly | preferably without laying waste to the blockdev beneath |
| 14:44.28 | Shutdown | hi guys |
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| 14:45.12 | Walex2 | has been to lunch |
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| 14:45.56 | Walex2 | diverdude: that 'mdadm.conf' looks good |
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| 14:46.22 | Walex2 | diverdude: that 'mdadm.conf' looks good |
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| 14:47.12 | Walex2 | diverdude: that 'mdadm.conf' looks good |
| 14:47.25 | themill | wonders if Walex2 had a liquid lunch |
| 14:47.26 | Shutdown | i have a doubt: a little time ago i was trying to limitate the width of may vim, using the following commands: :set textwidth=80, but without success |
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| 14:49.17 | diverdude | Walex2, thx |
| 14:50.02 | Gargantua | jelly: if you find a way to do this, please let me know. |
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| 14:50.49 | jelly | the obvious way is to make the blockdev fall off the bus |
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| 14:51.44 | AFernandez__ | why would telnet wont connect to localhost? permission denied? |
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| 14:52.15 | AFernandez__ | telnet localhost = telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 14:52.32 | Walex2 | diverdude: that 'mdadm.conf' looks good so the array should reappear on reboot. Check the logs to see why not. |
| 14:52.33 | jelly | AFernandez__: there is no telnet service open |
| 14:52.42 | AFernandez__ | how do i open it please? |
| 14:52.49 | jelly | AFernandez__: don't. |
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| 14:52.54 | themill | AFernandez__: what are you hoping to achieve here? |
| 14:52.57 | AFernandez__ | is just a test box |
| 14:52.58 | jelly | AFernandez__: what's your real goal? |
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| 14:53.37 | AFernandez__ | i was playing with sendmail |
| 14:53.53 | AFernandez__ | and the first steps they told me to do telnet localhost |
| 14:53.55 | themill | what's that got to do with telnet? (and don't use sendmail, use a modern mta that works) |
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| 14:54.09 | AFernandez__ | i was just playing |
| 14:54.19 | ChrisH | AFernandez__ "Connection refused" means no listener on that port |
| 14:54.20 | jelly | AFernandez__: I bet they told you to "telnet localhost 25" instead |
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| 14:54.23 | AFernandez__ | now im curious why telnet can not connect to localhost |
| 14:54.35 | AFernandez__ | no they didnt |
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| 14:54.44 | AFernandez__ | they just typed telnet localhost |
| 14:54.49 | jelly | then that was implied |
| 14:54.52 | themill | sounds like you should stop reading whatever crap you're reading then |
| 14:54.55 | Shutdown | i |
| 14:55.01 | AFernandez__ | ha ha ha |
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| 14:55.36 | jelly | AFernandez__: if you're testing your smtp service, you should connect to the smtp port (or the submission port, depending on what you're testing) |
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| 14:55.51 | AFernandez__ | ok thank you |
| 14:56.01 | jelly | AFernandez__: what you're telling us here is either incorrect or incomplete |
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| 14:56.18 | Shutdown | now, when i create a file, it respects the 80 width rule |
| 14:56.33 | Shutdown | but an old file do not. |
| 14:56.46 | AFernandez__ | i just want to telnet to connect to localhost that is all |
| 14:57.11 | jelly | that won't help you with sendmail at all, unfortunately |
| 14:57.19 | themill | AFernandez__: "telnet localhost" won't help you do anything with sendmail at all. |
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| 14:57.25 | AFernandez__ | ok |
| 14:57.38 | themill | thinks there's a funny echo in here |
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| 14:57.51 | AFernandez__ | thank you guys |
| 14:58.16 | jelly | adding that 25 might make a world of difference |
| 14:58.25 | ChrisH | AFernandez__: You should no longer use telnet to connect to a host... but If you want to do it for educational purpose you must make sure to have a listener on the telnet port. Normally its a telnetd. But again: strongly discouraged! |
| 14:58.27 | AFernandez__ | lets see..... |
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| 14:58.54 | AFernandez__ | AFernandez@KanotixBox:~/Downloads$ telnet 25 localhost |
| 14:58.56 | AFernandez__ | telnet: could not resolve 25/localhost: Servname not supported for ai_socktype |
| 14:58.57 | themill | AFernandez__: also, use something a little more modern and less painful than sendmail. both exim and postfix are much nicer solutions. |
| 14:59.17 | AFernandez__ | forget i mention sendmail |
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| 14:59.25 | ChrisH | AFernandez__: you have been asked to to: telnet localhost 25 |
| 14:59.45 | AFernandez__ | sorry |
| 14:59.50 | jelly | forgets everything about AFernandez__' query |
| 15:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez__: Your telnet syntax is incorrect. |
| 15:00.50 | terron | Is there a way to force apt to ignore dependency issues? I'm trying to install the alpha channel of iceweasel, but get the error " Depends: libnss3 (>= 2:3.14) but 2:3.14~rc1-1 is installed." |
| 15:00.58 | AFernandez__ | ok thank you |
| 15:01.05 | AFernandez__ | lets forget about i asked that |
| 15:01.15 | AFernandez__ | telnet localhost 25 doesnt work either |
| 15:01.36 | scientes | terron, just upgrade libnss |
| 15:01.41 | jelly | terron: no, you learn quickly that the easiest thing to do in the short run is to make apt happy, first |
| 15:01.46 | jhutchins_wk | AFernandez__: Specific error message please. |
| 15:01.53 | terron | scientes: it's the most recent version of libnss |
| 15:01.53 | scientes | terron, use apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel/experimental |
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| 15:02.09 | scientes | terron, then just wait |
| 15:02.10 | themill | terron: what release of debian are you using? |
| 15:02.14 | anddam | about mounting a samba share over the internet should I take some special care about security? |
| 15:02.21 | terron | themill: testing |
| 15:02.25 | ChrisH | anddam: yes |
| 15:02.27 | jhutchins_wk | Does experimental have a newer iceweasel than mdn? |
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| 15:02.34 | scientes | terron, you need libnss from unstable probably |
| 15:02.34 | themill | terron: then you should be using libnss3 from experimental. |
| 15:02.41 | scientes | or experimental |
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| 15:02.51 | themill | (which is where your currently installed version came from) |
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| 15:03.04 | mrtnt | Why RAID controllers use batteries? Are betteries used to ensure that in case of the power outage, disks are kept operational and can make the last writes? |
| 15:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | mrtnt: No. |
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| 15:03.33 | anddam | ChrisH: like what? |
| 15:04.08 | kermit | mrtnt: so you can fsync() quickly without risking data loss if the power went out |
| 15:04.13 | kermit | mrtnt: (or the power supplies) |
| 15:04.16 | jelly | mrtnt: no, the disk go down. Batteries keep the write cache alive until power reappears, or power just the cache and a SD card, then write the dirty cache to the SD card instead of the disks |
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| 15:06.09 | ChrisH | mrtnt: Batteries are used to enure Write Cache RAM content gets onto the Disks. For real standalone RAIDs the disks will be operational until the data is flushed. But there the batteries are bigger and expensive :) |
| 15:06.33 | jhutchins_wk | Batteries also maintain the configuration of the array in memory on the card. |
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| 15:06.35 | ChrisH | anddam: I would open a VPN tunnel and run samba inside the Tunnel. |
| 15:07.17 | anddam | ChrisH: I see the point, is there by any chance an automagic vpn setup? |
| 15:07.20 | mwargh | !xy |
| 15:07.20 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 15:07.22 | jelly | ChrisH: wow, I've never seen an array that keeps the disks spinning |
| 15:07.33 | emraan | howto install wine 1.4 on debian 6.0.6 |
| 15:07.39 | mwargh | sorry, just wanted to get this line. carry on |
| 15:07.42 | terron | Ah, thanks scientes and themill. I added the experimental repo to my sources.list and it fixed the conflict |
| 15:07.43 | jelly | ,v wine |
| 15:07.44 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 15:08.34 | anddam | ChrisH: I'm reading http://goo.gl/LCYMj - VPN with deny/allow sounds good |
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| 15:10.15 | DimmuR | Hello everyone. I'm using debian 6.0.6 on server - what's best approach to install python2.7 inside stable debian? |
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| 15:10.31 | jhutchins_wk | anddam: It is possible to use sshfs over the internet. |
| 15:10.40 | themill | DimmuR: what makes you want a newer snake? |
| 15:10.53 | wols_ | themill: the old one eats to much and is fat |
| 15:11.14 | ChrisH | jelly: The standalone Arrays I know form customers have online replacable batteries. They request to be replaced if the discharge/charge cycle does no longer matches the expectations |
| 15:11.31 | DimmuR | themill, software is developed with features from python 2.7 |
| 15:11.35 | anddam | jhutchins_wk: yes, and since I'm already connecting via ssh that maybe a quicker setup |
| 15:12.13 | themill | DimmuR: can you be more specific please? There are ways to deal with this that are *much* easier to do than upgrading to python 2.7 |
| 15:12.52 | habsor | Guys are you aware of a good guide, about configuring securely a new vps (running debian-based) right after your 1st login? I mean configuring firewall, installing basic features (such as http server, mysql, php, ssl etc) and all that security-concerned? |
| 15:13.29 | DimmuR | themill, i don't want using backports etc there - i could simply get python 2.7 and compile it and then use in venv but i was wondering if there is simplier solution |
| 15:13.59 | themill | DimmuR: I'm not talking about backports, but if you don't actually answer questions, then there's little more help I can offer. |
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| 15:15.13 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: Why would you not use backports? |
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| 15:16.29 | DimmuR | themill, one of exampels using collections (and i know there are backports), another one is on all machines where software is developed we use python 2.7 and we need to remember about python 2.6. But it's not really question about 'why would i not use 2.6' |
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| 15:18.04 | themill | DimmuR: python collections was introduced in python 2.4 and there's not a huge amount of change since python 2.6 there. |
| 15:18.27 | ChrisH | jelly: FYI http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19908-01/817-0200-10/817-0200-10.pdf page 11 shows that the array does the battery hold-time time on batteries for up to 6minutes for each installed battery |
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| 15:18.55 | TheEndIsNye | One day things will all be different |
| 15:19.01 | TheEndIsNye | different |
| 15:19.02 | themill | DimmuR: basically, you should be developing to the platform you're going to deploy on. If you're going to deploy on a squeeze server, then developing against python 2.5 or 2.6 makes sense. |
| 15:19.02 | TheEndIsNye | different |
| 15:19.04 | TheEndIsNye | One day things will all be different |
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| 15:19.11 | TheEndIsNye | different |
| 15:19.11 | TheEndIsNye | Things will all be different |
| 15:19.11 | TheEndIsNye | different |
| 15:19.13 | TheEndIsNye | One day things will all be different |
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| 15:19.28 | mallxs | My desktop is freezing in the way that i can keep working in the window i'm on but cant switch to other windows ... is that just me? |
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| 15:20.11 | jhutchins_wk | mallxs: Pretty much just you, but what desktop? |
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| 15:20.41 | Walex2 | mallxs: it depends a lot on what's going on. Linus Torvalds has reported freezes of his desktop too. |
| 15:20.42 | mallxs | i'm on gnome and have only iceweasel / chrome and a console open |
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| 15:20.55 | ChrisH | mallxs: sounds like some application grabs the focus... javascript and javaapps inside browsers sometimes cause this for my KDE, too |
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| 15:21.01 | themill | DimmuR: if you do really want to pursue python 2.7, then perhaps upgrading to wheezy would be your best option. While wheezy doesn't yet have timely security support, rolling your own python+modules in a virtualenv also doesn't get security support from debian either. |
| 15:21.18 | DimmuR | themill, we could go into details about OrderedDict or Counter or other examples but it's pointles. And of course we should develop on platform we are going to deploy, but don't forget that there is always point when you upgrade your software and use higher versions and etc etc. I could also point that on other machines working as failover there is 2.7 so it's last machine with 2.6 but it's also pointles sicne i just asked about py2.7 |
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| 15:21.58 | jhutchins_wk | mallxs: It would probably help to tell us which release as well, and what hardware it's running on. |
| 15:22.10 | DimmuR | we've got machine with debian and there is 2.6, we want 2.7 is as simple as that |
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| 15:22.18 | TheEndIsNye | This will all be different |
| 15:22.22 | TheEndIsNye | different |
| 15:22.27 | TheEndIsNye | This will all be different |
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| 15:22.30 | mallxs | ChrisH: yes looks like it thought first it was chrome, but it also happened in iceweasel / console combination |
| 15:23.35 | themill | DimmuR: changing system tools like perl and python is really difficult -- so you didn't "just ask how to get python 2.7" you opened a can of worms and it's worth us exploring any other option to help you achieve your goal (working python code on squeeze) that does not involve actually running python 2.7. |
| 15:23.36 | mallxs | ChrisH: will first test just in chrome and console and then come back with versions |
| 15:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: One of the problems you run into is that python is used extensively throughout the system, and if you replace 2.6 with 2.7 you could induce serious problems. |
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| 15:23.55 | themill | DimmuR: (and I'll not ask what sort of "fallover" machine is not identical to the original machine...) |
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| 15:24.22 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: You might be able to install 2.7 in parallel, but that presents it's own difficulties. |
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| 15:25.07 | ChrisH | mallxs: I assume my hangs are all caused by weird and/or nonresponding webservers. Control-ALT-F1 and kill iceweasel fixed it :) |
| 15:25.21 | themill | jhutchins_wk, DimmuR: no, you can't using the debian packages. |
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| 15:27.00 | mallxs | ChrisH: i did try the same but the next (console) window just took focus to lock me there |
| 15:27.01 | DimmuR | thanks guys for pointing that out - but i'm not sysadmin i just got task to do it, i don't need to upgrade py2.7 for all stuff in system so compiling it will be best option. And what's about failover - software runs there winth 2.6 for now, but system has 2.7 |
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| 15:27.40 | cristian | Hi guys, I have an issue when trying to install dovecot-mysql on debian stable (added wheezy repository) and I get this error: http://pastebin.com/i1JFcM4Z |
| 15:27.55 | themill | DimmuR: debian often ships two versions of python to help out with this, and if you have the right shebang then you get the version you want -- squeeze has 2.5 and 2.6; wheezy has 2.6 and 2.7 etc. |
| 15:27.58 | mrtnt | kermit, jelly, ChrisH: ok, so usually batteries store volatile memory which is used by the controller for I/O caching purposes? |
| 15:28.02 | ChrisH | mallxs: You need to switch away from X onto the "real" TTYs. |
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| 15:28.37 | tech_ | is anyone else running the new 3.7 kernel? Looking at a possibly power-related issue here |
| 15:28.40 | Nach0z | ctrl alt F1 |
| 15:28.45 | ChrisH | mrtnt: depending on the HW yes and maybe they do even more |
| 15:29.11 | mallxs | ChrisH: that what i did |
| 15:29.56 | mallxs | and killed the iceweasel/firefox-bin correct ? |
| 15:30.11 | deuterium | hia. any idea whether there are any debs for http://automx.org available? according to http://www.automx.org/en/#download, there should have been debs available since oct 26. |
| 15:30.22 | tech_ | seems that, when running on battery, when I plug in my cord the system just *freezes*. As in, "comes to a dead halt". Maybe a acpi-related issue with new new kernel? |
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| 15:30.45 | ChrisH | mallxs: ACK. If that helps its a Focus issue. If not then it could be anything else. |
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| 15:31.39 | tech_ | or it could be laptop-mode-tools, which I recently installed. |
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| 15:32.56 | bniels | tech_, laptop-mode-tools is highly configurable. you could disable some or all of what it's doing and see if that fixes it, and then work out which it is by successively enabling/disabling more fine grained |
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| 15:33.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 15:33.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.9-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 15:34.40 | jhutchins_wk | tech_: An obvious test would be to boot to the previous kernel and see if that makes the difference. |
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| 15:36.41 | jthomas_ | Good day! I have a Debian 6 server setup on LDAP. My Deb5 servers seem to let me have in /etc/passwd a line like "+jthomas::::::/bin/false" but this is ignored on my Deb6. I do have /etc/nsswitch set for 'passwd: compat ldap' Any ideas why my /bin/false isn't working? |
| 15:37.02 | tech_ | jhutchins_wk:that's what I'm doing now. The fault hasn't come up yet |
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| 15:37.32 | tech_ | I could also uninstall laptop-mode-tools and eliminate that as being a culprit |
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| 15:38.48 | DimmuR | themill, i've talked with admins, i will run 2.6.6 as it is and other folks will make decision about 2.7 (compile it to /opt/ o whatever) |
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| 15:40.00 | ChrisH | jthomas_: I use passwd: files [NOTFOUND=continue] ldap ; I use complat with nis and a single + in passwd and shadow |
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| 15:40.27 | jthomas_ | ah, files, of course! what do you mean, a single plus? |
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| 15:41.39 | jthomas_ | Thanks for the tip ChrisH |
| 15:42.08 | Pnoexz | hey, is there an RC for wheezy? |
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| 15:42.41 | Nillerz | Hey, when I click on the nm-applet and try to set up a VPN, it won't let me use the "add" button |
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| 15:43.27 | Nillerz | Anyone know how to add PPTP VPN support to Debian? |
| 15:43.37 | Nillerz | I'm gettin' nothin' other than how to set up a server |
| 15:43.52 | jthomas_ | Nillerz: you need to install the network-manager-pptp package or whatever VPN type, and possibly the ___-gnome package as well (or use KDE) |
| 15:44.03 | ksk | Nillerz: you know google? http://fmepnet.org/debian_pptp.html |
| 15:44.05 | Nillerz | I use XFCE |
| 15:44.28 | jthomas_ | regardless, the GUI is either a Gnome or KDE applet |
| 15:44.31 | ksk | then do it the hard way :P |
| 15:44.34 | Nillerz | okay |
| 15:44.38 | Nillerz | thanks |
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| 15:45.09 | jhutchins_wk | There used to be a console interface for NM, maybe a GTK one as well, but they haven't survived. |
| 15:45.22 | jthomas_ | too bad |
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| 15:45.43 | mrtnt | ChrisH: ok, thanks! |
| 15:45.44 | Nillerz | Do more people use Debian Stable or Debian Testing? |
| 15:45.54 | jthomas_ | i fought for 6 hours setting up NM from CLI for a PPTP VPN. i had to copy it manually from a working setup and to all kinds of voodoo |
| 15:46.02 | jhutchins_wk | I think as more people reject Gnome and KDE we'll see better support for stand-alone clients. |
| 15:46.05 | ChrisH | jthomas_: man nsswitch.conf mentiones compat only with nis and nis+ |
| 15:46.13 | jthomas_ | Nillerz stable for servers, testing for my desktops |
| 15:46.26 | Nillerz | ah, I am using the wrong version of debian. |
| 15:46.35 | jhutchins_wk | Nillerz: Stable. It gets security updates. |
| 15:46.36 | anddam | Nillerz: like 10.4 ? |
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| 15:46.45 | Nillerz | I am using Debian 6 |
| 15:46.53 | anddam | doesn't sound wrong |
| 15:47.00 | jhutchins_wk | Nillerz: That's a good choice in most cases. |
| 15:47.02 | jthomas_ | Deb6 is not wrong. Ubuntu is the wrong version of Debian |
| 15:47.44 | jthomas_ | ChrisH I've put in 'files' but this still is letting the accounts log in when I am trying to prevent it |
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| 15:48.01 | Nillerz | I am fleeing from Ubuntu |
| 15:48.15 | Nillerz | I was on LMDE, then I decided to install Ubuntu because I was invited to the Steam LUG |
| 15:48.18 | Nillerz | oh god that was a mistake |
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| 15:49.01 | pan_ | there is somewhat of a workaround for installing steam on debian |
| 15:49.02 | tech_ | Nillerz: was it really that bad? |
| 15:49.10 | Nillerz | oh it was terrible. |
| 15:49.18 | ChrisH | jthomas_: you can -USER .. at least in theory. I never tested that |
| 15:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | There's no fallback to 2D in Gnome or KDE on Ubuntu. |
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| 15:49.56 | Nillerz | The HUD was evil and scary and I got error messages that simply said "There was a problem with Ubuntu!" with the choices "Cancel" or "Report" |
| 15:49.58 | jthomas_ | ChrisH yes but i don't want to prevent them from SFTP, I want to give them ain imvalid shell. I think the -user will prevent any access |
| 15:50.06 | Nillerz | because god forbid I actually know what program is messing up to begin with, you know? |
| 15:50.48 | tech_ | Yeah, that Unity UI is apparently an acquired taste. Kinda like Windows 8 |
| 15:51.05 | DrakkenWarr | Unity is bloody awful |
| 15:51.14 | tech_ | Personally not my cup of tea, either |
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| 15:51.25 | DrakkenWarr | OpenBox thanks ;) |
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| 15:51.46 | tech_ | Heh, OpenBox is good |
| 15:52.03 | tech_ | running KDE now, thinking of going to a tiling WM |
| 15:52.13 | ChrisH | jthomas_: I created an SFTP only user and gave him this shell /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 15:52.19 | jthomas_ | KWin has a tiling option |
| 15:52.34 | DrakkenWarr | DWM isn't bad, pretty easy to get installed and sorted |
| 15:52.36 | tech_ | yeah, but there's still all the "bloat" underneath |
| 15:52.37 | jthomas_ | interesting, ChrisH |
| 15:52.50 | jthomas_ | tech_ you say bloat, i say awesomeness |
| 15:52.51 | tech_ | I meant with KDE, not DWM |
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| 15:53.04 | ChrisH | jthomas_: allows only sftp, no ssh nor scp |
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| 15:53.35 | tech_ | don't get me wrong, there's a reason I've run KDE all these years |
| 15:53.43 | jthomas_ | ChrisH the /etc/passwd is still being ignored |
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| 15:54.34 | jthomas_ | hmm, or not... |
| 15:54.40 | ChrisH | jthomas_: I assume you know: getent passwd USERNAME |
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| 15:54.52 | jthomas_ | yep |
| 15:55.21 | confusid | How can I go about changing the theme in pidgin? I have installed the theme packages I could find but they are for friends list, sounds etc.. Nothing to show for chat windows back grounds. |
| 15:55.24 | jthomas_ | ok so, in Deb5 i could define a group in the /etc/apsswd with '+@staff::::::' but that @GROUP isn't working here |
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| 15:56.08 | ChrisH | jthomas_: @group is a NIS Group per defintion. I do not know wether this can be mapped into LDAP |
| 15:56.31 | ChrisH | jthomas_: netgroup |
| 15:56.43 | invariant | How can I manipulate rdf files like those created by Icedove? |
| 15:57.10 | ChrisH | jthomas_: netgroup; but man netgroup still refers to NIS |
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| 16:01.25 | Brigo | where can i find the changelog about a drvier -rt2800usb-? |
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| 16:01.38 | Brigo | s/drvier/driver |
| 16:01.46 | abrotman | kernel probably |
| 16:02.10 | tech_ | invariant: isn't an rdf file kinda like an XML file? |
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| 16:02.25 | invariant | tech_, it is an XML file too, yes. |
| 16:02.27 | eni23 | mabye someone knows that: are there any problems to expect if i wanna run debian as primary domain controller (windows ads) on a low power arm-device? |
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| 16:03.33 | Brigo | eni23: i am runnig debian whezzy in a viaepia. |
| 16:04.10 | Brigo | with squeeze everythings was ok, but with wheezy i am getting some crash. |
| 16:04.22 | Brigo | every week, or so. |
| 16:04.40 | Nillerz | Has anyone gotten Gala wm to work on Debian yet? |
| 16:04.46 | Nillerz | It worked great on LMDE |
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| 16:04.53 | Nillerz | it was awesome when mixed with XFCE, very lightweight |
| 16:04.58 | Nillerz | but pretty |
| 16:06.03 | ChrisH | Brigo: crash with a core file? |
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| 16:07.58 | Brigo | ChrisH: completely freezes, nothing on logs. Only i can reboot |
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| 16:08.07 | noRulez | hello |
| 16:08.16 | tech_ | sup |
| 16:08.18 | noRulez | sorry for my english |
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| 16:08.21 | bniels | i run debian wheezy fine on a via epia board, tho |
| 16:08.29 | noRulez | can anybody helpme? |
| 16:08.32 | eni23 | Brigo: i thiink the via epia's are x86-compatible cpu's? |
| 16:08.36 | ChrisH | Brigo: So not a samba crash but a systemcrash. |
| 16:08.42 | jthomas_ | hmm, thanks ChrisH... so it appears that I can't use either @GROUP::::::: nor *::::::: |
| 16:08.49 | bniels | eni23, yes, x86 |
| 16:08.55 | Brigo | it is a heavy loaded box. 180m of ram, and it is running apache, icinga, mysql postfix, dovecot, containers... |
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| 16:09.05 | Brigo | eni23: yes, it is. |
| 16:09.16 | tech_ | noRulez: all you have to do is ask |
| 16:09.18 | eni23 | Brigo: so, no active directory things? |
| 16:09.24 | Brigo | ChrisH: i haven't samba, and yes, it is a system crash. |
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| 16:09.30 | babilen | !br |
| 16:09.31 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:09.44 | babilen | noRulez: ^^^ If you prefer to speak Portuguese |
| 16:09.46 | Brigo | eni23: no, at all. |
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| 16:09.58 | noRulez | how do I list what initializes the daemon |
| 16:10.07 | babilen | noRulez: Which daemon? |
| 16:10.10 | jthomas_ | ls /etc/init.c/ |
| 16:10.13 | jthomas_ | oops |
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| 16:10.16 | jthomas_ | ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:10.31 | noRulez | i want to see how my iptables initialize |
| 16:11.01 | ChrisH | Brigo: I run stable on a VIA Eden Processor 1200MHz without issues... only the IP power plug switched off anything several times the past month. But it hast 1GB RAM and is seeing low load |
| 16:11.03 | noRulez | i have one script and i want to put in /etc/rc.local |
| 16:11.11 | babilen | noRulez: You typically find all init scripts in /etc/init.d/ though. You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables about firewalls though (the if-pre-up approach with iptables-save and iptables-load is best IMHO) |
| 16:11.34 | Brigo | ChrisH: my one is a 600 with 128+64m of ram, very old :-) |
| 16:11.35 | noRulez | but i think that already exists |
| 16:11.46 | babilen | noRulez: I wouldn't recommend to run the script *every* time. Just run it to setup your rules and then save the rules somewhere and load the rules directly from then on. |
| 16:11.53 | noRulez | babilen thanks |
| 16:12.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell noRulez about init scripts |
| 16:12.13 | Brigo | noRulez: do you know iptables-persitent? |
| 16:12.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell noRulez about init script |
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| 16:12.47 | ChrisH | Brigo: If memory dies, symptoms are similar. Or if the capacitors get dry then you have the same. Times between the crashes then will become shorter |
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| 16:13.53 | babilen | noRulez: Our bot sent you further information about the creation of new init scripts, but I would *strongly* recommend to follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/iptables (just store your rules with iptables-save in /etc/iptables.up.rules and load them in a if-pre-up.d/iptables file) |
| 16:13.58 | noRulez | Brigo not much |
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| 16:14.28 | Brigo | ChrisH: may be. I do some tunnig yesterday about memory, we will see :-) |
| 16:14.46 | Brigo | but with squeeze everything was ok. |
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| 16:15.16 | Brigo | noRulez: it is exactly for that you want to. |
| 16:15.17 | babilen | Brigo, noRulez: While iptables-persistent is okay, I personally prefer the firewall to be closely tied in with the actual interface/network definitions. if-pre-up.d really is the best place for this. |
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| 16:15.36 | noRulez | I'm learning about iptables, just need to run the backup this iptables. I'll try and read the articles. Thanks guys |
| 16:15.42 | ChrisH | Brigo: 1. track the crash time and check if time between gets shorter -> HW issue 2. run memtest to check the Memeory. 3. I do not assume its squeeze/wheezy related. |
| 16:16.05 | Pnoexz | hey, i have a 64bits i5 processor, which architecture should i use? amd64? |
| 16:16.38 | Brigo | ChrisH: may be. |
| 16:16.43 | eni23 | Pnoexz: yes |
| 16:16.53 | Pnoexz | eni23: thanks |
| 16:17.24 | babilen | Pnoexz: Which version of Debian do you plan to use? What is the intended use of that box? |
| 16:18.19 | ChrisH | Brigo: My homeserver (good old P3 1000MHz) did the same. I checked the C's in front of the CPU and they were down to 10% of their Value. After replacing them with new ones everything is fine. |
| 16:18.20 | Pnoexz | babilen: testing, most likely, though maybe stable.. its gonna be a work station.. im a web developer |
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| 16:19.41 | babilen | Pnoexz: Ok, if you install testing use an installer with firmware (from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/) and if you are using stable use the kmuto one (http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/) as you'll need a newer kernel for that hardware. amd64 is, as Pnoexz already mentioned, the correct choice |
| 16:19.55 | babilen | err, as eni23 mentioned :) |
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| 16:20.29 | Brigo | ChrisH: i can do the memtest, of course, but squeeze was running in the box for several months without issues. I installed whezzy and 2 day after, system crash, and continues to crash periodically. Well may be only coincidence... |
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| 16:21.35 | ChrisH | Brigo: Do you have a replacment at hand? |
| 16:21.37 | Pnoexz | babilen: oooh, thanks |
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| 16:22.31 | babilen | Pnoexz: You are welcome, enjoy the installation and Debian :) (and ask if something else is unclear) |
| 16:22.43 | Brigo | ChrisH: no, but is only a test driver, nothin important |
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| 16:23.18 | babilen | Pnoexz: kmuto's installers are semi-unofficial images to install stable with a newer kernel and firmware btw |
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| 16:25.43 | Pnoexz | babilen: ive installed it too many times to enjoy it. I will enjoy the fact ill be doing this on an ssd for the first time |
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| 16:26.04 | babilen | Pnoexz: hehe :) |
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| 16:28.01 | noRulez | I wish everyone a happy and free world! Good afternoon (in Brazil) |
| 16:28.26 | Gargantua | Same to you. |
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| 16:30.53 | steinex | Hi. I just updated a lenny system to squeeze. The system ran OpenLDAP. With the squeeze upgrade, openldap-config moved to slapd.d. I now have the problem that i have forgot to make a change to slapd.conf before the upgrade. Upon upgrade slapd.conf got converted to slapd.d via an postinst-script or so |
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| 16:31.00 | steinex | How can i run the postinst script again? |
| 16:31.09 | steinex | aptitude reinstall doesn't do it, neither does remove && install |
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| 16:31.23 | arcsky | hello guys , i got a 32GB USB drive wich now are just 288mb when i mount it on windows. how do i format it back in slackware ? |
| 16:31.42 | themill | steinex: is this a change you can't apply directly to the slapd.d or cn=config tree? |
| 16:32.02 | ksk | arcsky: slackware? windows? this is #debian |
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| 16:32.13 | steinex | themill: exactly. the change was to actually allow me access to the cn=config tree. and i can't edit the files directly, slapd.d is supposed to be edited via LDAP |
| 16:32.28 | arcsky | ksk: i mean slackware |
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| 16:32.41 | arcsky | ksk: same as debian mkvs |
| 16:32.53 | sney | arcsky: please ask in your distribution's channel |
| 16:32.57 | sney | or ##linux |
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| 16:33.41 | themill | steinex: It's a while since I touched openldap, but I thought you were able to edit slapd.d yourself.# |
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| 16:35.11 | themill | steinex: also, I thought slapd.conf was still read so you could still stick stuff in there and it would be picked up by slapd -- it's just that it's no longer the preferred way of configuring openldap. |
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| 16:35.44 | themill | steinex: (but I'm trying to remember back 2 or 3 years here and they're mostly repressed memories...) |
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| 16:39.32 | themill | steinex: I have https://paste.debian.net/215807/ in my notes on this. Perhaps of use for you. |
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| 16:41.08 | themill | steinex: my notes also say things like "ergh, unbreak ACLs: vi olcDatabase\=\{0\}config.ldif" so I can't say with great confidence that I was ever happy doing this. |
| 16:41.22 | jthomas_ | ug i'm never happy working on LDAP |
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| 16:41.36 | jthomas_ | but yes, slapd.conf should be manually editable |
| 16:42.19 | themill | yeah, and I can't find the VM image I had at one stage where I was working through all this cn=config mess |
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| 16:43.39 | themill | editing stuff in slapd.d/cn=config while slapd is shutdown is also supported iirc |
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| 16:45.12 | jthomas_ | ChrisH is there no way to reference a group in /etc/passwd ? that seems to be the sad fact i've come up against and it makes per-server group management over LDAP painful. I swear it worked in Deb5. |
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| 16:51.51 | steinex | themill: thanks so far. |
| 16:51.58 | steinex | cr*p |
| 16:52.46 | steinex | i get the server up without problems with slapd.conf so thats fine, if I'd just know how to start the migration to slapd.d again... |
| 16:52.50 | steinex | argh. |
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| 16:54.10 | themill | steinex: the migration will be done in the postinst script and will probably be protected by a check to make sure that it is only run if actually in the process of a migration from the previous version. The migration is probably not idempotent, so shouldn't be run again without cleaning out the failed migration by hand first. |
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| 16:55.02 | themill | steinex: The postinst is found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.postinst -- reading that through should tell you what it's doing. (I don't know which openldap package would be in charge of doing the migration) |
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| 16:55.17 | gazzwi86 | I'm trying to get a wifi dongle to auto connect on boot to my network but running into issues: https://gist.github.com/4268879 |
| 16:55.51 | gazzwi86 | can anyone see any issues with my config? |
| 16:56.11 | steinex | themill: |
| 16:56.11 | steinex | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.11 | steinex | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.11 | steinex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.23 | steinex | sorry, yeah. |
| 16:57.18 | themill | steinex: yeah, so the previous version is being passed in as a command line arg to the postisnt; the rest you can see how to deal with to make it run again |
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| 17:13.00 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 17:13.03 | bluesm | I get error |
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| 17:14.59 | bluesm | hi |
| 17:15.05 | bluesm | "/bin/sh can't access tty job control turned off" |
| 17:16.12 | bluesm | I've diddn't install new drives.. |
| 17:16.30 | themill | bluesm: context would be useful |
| 17:16.37 | AFernandez__ | where does the command ifconfig pull the information from? which file? |
| 17:16.39 | bluesm | I just probably shut down, computer suddently. |
| 17:16.56 | bluesm | And I've had problem with acpi ... |
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| 17:18.25 | bluesm | themill: I've shut down because, I couldn't log in via terminal... (From GUI) |
| 17:18.40 | themill | bluesm: I still have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 17:20.19 | bluesm | themill: When booting, I've got this error... |
| 17:20.27 | bluesm | themill: And I couldn't boot my debian. |
| 17:21.05 | bluesm | themill: Before I've get this error, I couldn't log in (add new termial tab)... |
| 17:21.06 | elik | So I have a debian system that gets random hangs. I have two funky drivers I suspect: braodcom-sta (for my BCM43228wifi card) and rts5229 (realtek sd card reader). Unfortunately, the kernel logs are particularly unhelpful. I don't get anything after reboot. The system is currently hung, and I just enabled sysrq. Is there anything I could do at this point to identify what is causing the issue? |
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| 17:22.51 | bluesm | themill: I've search a little, but Every who gets this error, add new hard disk... I haven't add anything... |
| 17:23.04 | s98259 | Okay I am aware that punctuation and spaces cause problems in UNIX file/dir names but some stupid Windows user used spaces and apostrothes in to same some dirs now I can't use _ as space and remove the apostrophies cause everytime I try to rename the dir it drops me down to a dquote prompt. How would I go about fixing this? |
| 17:23.09 | s98259 | STUPID WINDOWS USERS! :/ |
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| 17:23.39 | s98259 | It's getting really hard to navigate when the dir names are like this. |
| 17:23.56 | themill | s98259: tab completion is an easy way of dealing with such quoting. A file manager (gui or text based) can also be handy |
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| 17:24.10 | s98259 | Like I've got ~/s98259/Now That's What I Call Music* |
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| 17:24.23 | s98259 | themill: I use that all the time. |
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| 17:24.29 | snake123 | help whit this fuking md5 salt hahsh; e18d97d5ae736ff7e99af08f0a0dba07:38 |
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| 17:24.54 | s98259 | but I want to remove the apostrophies and spaces. :/ |
| 17:25.10 | elik | s98259: you can look at the rename script |
| 17:25.29 | themill | s98259: if you've got a couple, then mv. If you've got lots, the rename(1). |
| 17:25.31 | martin3z | bluesm: I got such situation one time. I got full drive and no space, 0. Then I wasn't able to log in and I didn't get warnings. It's because system wants to create some file and there is no possibility. I guess. |
| 17:25.53 | s98259 | themill: mv doesn't work it drops me down to a dquote prompt. |
| 17:26.09 | s98259 | cause the appostrophies mess it up. |
| 17:26.09 | themill | what's a "dquote prompt"? |
| 17:26.22 | s98259 | dquote> |
| 17:26.27 | s98259 | instead of... |
| 17:26.43 | s98259 | username@computername current dir |
| 17:27.08 | themill | s98259: I'd use tab completion then -- it will get the quoting right |
| 17:27.22 | s98259 | themill: I use tab completion all the time. |
| 17:27.35 | s98259 | it also gets it right but the appostrophies mess things up. |
| 17:27.45 | themill | what shell are you using? |
| 17:27.51 | s98259 | zsh |
| 17:28.06 | themill | meh.. bash does this right. Maybe a zsh user knows how to do this more easily. |
| 17:28.18 | s98259 | :/ |
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| 17:29.36 | bluesm | martin3z: mmm 94 GB of free strorage, |
| 17:29.57 | ompaul | s98259: you could just use the command find > into a file and then examine the file for clever things to do |
| 17:30.16 | themill | s98259: vidir might be an easy way of dealing with this |
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| 17:30.31 | martin3z | bluesm: so i don't have idea |
| 17:30.47 | themill | bluesm: have you been messing with mount points / fstab? Missing /dev/pts is normally the cause of this error. |
| 17:31.09 | s98259 | I switched to bash and getting the same problems. |
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| 17:31.20 | themill | s98259: tab completion in bash quotes filenames correctly |
| 17:31.33 | s98259 | tab completion will only complete the dir name until it detects the apostrophy. |
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| 17:32.19 | ompaul | you mean like this works in bash or it doesnt cd Guns\ N\'\ Roses/ |
| 17:32.21 | themill | only if there's a non-unique stem. If it's unique it will continue correctly. |
| 17:32.42 | s98259 | Like... |
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| 17:32.44 | themill | and if it's non-unique \' then <tab> again. |
| 17:32.52 | s98259 | mv Now |
| 17:32.54 | s98259 | it will do |
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| 17:33.13 | s98259 | Now\ That's |
| 17:33.17 | s98259 | it wont go any further |
| 17:33.35 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.47 | s98259 | :/ |
| 17:33.49 | bluesm | No |
| 17:33.49 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.51 | bluesm | I don't |
| 17:34.00 | s98259 | well tab complete isn't doing it right then. |
| 17:34.06 | themill | s98259: the tab completion should quote the ' as it goes. It does here. |
| 17:34.10 | bluesm | themill: No I didn't. |
| 17:34.13 | s98259 | it doesn't here. |
| 17:34.19 | s98259 | this is a fresh install |
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| 17:34.25 | s98259 | themill: You've done something different. |
| 17:34.40 | bluesm | themill: fstab.d is empty... |
| 17:34.52 | elik | s98259: how about using nautilus or some such... |
| 17:34.56 | ompaul | s98259: then this channel would be full of people complaining ... it is crucial to the use of the cli ... you have typed bash and are sitting in a bash shell? |
| 17:34.59 | s98259 | sorted |
| 17:35.02 | s98259 | elik: no thanks |
| 17:35.05 | s98259 | I don't use X |
| 17:35.10 | s98259 | anyway I figured it out |
| 17:35.35 | s98259 | I like manually completed until I go past the ' and then it was able to tab complete on it's own. |
| 17:35.50 | ompaul | which is what you were told |
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| 17:36.03 | elik | s98259: you probably have multiple files with the same beginning of name |
| 17:36.03 | themill | tab completion should go past the ' on its own |
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| 17:36.08 | ompaul | hands themill a gold star :) |
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| 17:36.52 | s98259 | elik: I do but still! |
| 17:36.59 | themill | s98259: If I start a bash shell without any other options or configurations, it still behaves the same way here -- in both squeeze and wheezy. |
| 17:37.04 | s98259 | it should still go through listing all the files with the same beginning |
| 17:37.20 | elik | s98259: configure it so it does that |
| 17:37.32 | s98259 | elik: No it's fine now |
| 17:37.36 | s98259 | cause... it works |
| 17:37.50 | s98259 | thanks for your help guys and girls :3 |
| 17:37.56 | themill | s98259: but yeah, sounds like mc or vidir would he handy for you. Have fun |
| 17:39.00 | s98259 | I don't really want to use mc when pure cli can do what mc can do. |
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| 17:39.58 | s98259 | I'd give vidir a try tho but I don't want to be using a TUI file manager if I can do what a file manager can do from the command line. |
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| 17:42.25 | boudiccas | right, back again, on ubuntu 12.04, and i can see what i'm doing again |
| 17:42.42 | boudiccas | whats teh default password for root please, does anyone know? |
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| 17:43.14 | SPF | boudiccas: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 17:43.18 | peterS | boudiccas: there is no default root password in Debian, the installer asks you for one |
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| 17:43.43 | boudiccas | i know, i'm using ubntu as a rescue disk to gte me back inti wheezy |
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| 17:43.47 | ompaul | sudo -i |
| 17:44.07 | peterS | boudiccas: why do you think we would have any idea about settings in Ubuntu or Fedora or Windows 7? |
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| 17:45.52 | tech_ | peterS: I could understand Ubuntu (maybe), but not the others |
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| 17:46.21 | themill | tech_: well, a point of specific difference between debian and ubuntu puts us at some considerable disadvantage |
| 17:46.22 | peterS | eh? what's the distinction? None of them are Debian and none of them handle things like a "default root password" the same way. |
| 17:46.42 | ompaul | there is no default user password on any of them |
| 17:46.42 | tech_ | themill: true that |
| 17:46.51 | ompaul | well windows might have one |
| 17:47.04 | ompaul | but in general default user and password is the sign of a bad choice |
| 17:47.20 | tech_ | and do most consumers realize that/. |
| 17:47.22 | tech_ | ? |
| 17:47.34 | ompaul | no |
| 17:47.43 | ompaul | and why are we this far offtopic :) |
| 17:47.51 | ompaul | blames self |
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| 17:48.09 | tech_ | ompaul: not enough to secure the OS. Gotta educate the user, too |
| 17:48.12 | peterS | ompaul: heh, well, "This is not #ubuntu" has been a very popular topic in #debian ever since around 2004. (: |
| 17:48.26 | peterS | ompaul: before that it was "this is not #knoppix" |
| 17:48.41 | Derpadong | This is not #archlinux |
| 17:48.45 | Derpadong | lol |
| 17:49.00 | tech_ | heh |
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| 17:49.15 | peterS | Derpadong: yes, well, nobody confuses archlinux with debian. The other two are often perceived to be "based on Debian, therefore Debian support people should be happy to help me" |
| 17:49.21 | wols_ | what was the first debian derived distro? |
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| 17:49.53 | Derpadong | wols_: Probably ubuntu |
| 17:49.55 | themill | libranet? |
| 17:49.56 | Derpadong | lol |
| 17:50.07 | peterS | wols_: hmmm ... Storm Linux was an early one. There was another by Ian Murdock back in the late 90s, which I can't remember the name of now |
| 17:50.33 | tech_ | peterS: I know I try, but I always remind them that this isn't ubuntu |
| 17:50.40 | themill | peterS: progeny? |
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| 17:50.54 | peterS | themill: that's it! though I don't know if they were the _first_. |
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| 17:51.18 | themill | On the basis that wikipedia is always right™ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian_family_tree_11-06.png |
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| 17:53.15 | voytek | interesting |
| 17:53.20 | xsappyx | anyone know what app was used to make that nice timeline of the family tree? ^ |
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| 17:53.37 | tech_ | speaking of which, I thought Ubuntu was going to start using Wayland? Or is Wayland Not Ready For Primetime yet? |
| 17:53.52 | peterS | tech_: wait, what channel are we in? I keep forgetting |
| 17:53.54 | xsappyx | tech_: not ready for primetime, but moving along nicely |
| 17:53.59 | Derpadong | tech_: Wayland is in 13.04 I believe |
| 17:54.03 | tech_ | ah, okay |
| 17:54.20 | tech_ | peterS: I know. Just curious |
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| 17:54.46 | tech_ | who knows? I may even experiment with it in Debian |
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| 17:56.30 | themill | xsappyx: gnuclad according to its source |
| 17:56.40 | peterS | huh, I didn't know DSL was a derivative of Knoppix. or that Corel Linux actually came before either Storm Linux or Libranet. thanks for the link, themill |
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| 17:57.22 | themill | np. there's an even bigger and scarier one around for "all" linux distros |
| 17:57.31 | peterS | I think I've seen it. yes, it was scary. |
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| 18:01.31 | wols_ | there's one for Unix too IIRC. another scary one |
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| 18:02.58 | sKeiths | to install nvidia (propririty drivers, i needed to added non-free and contrib to my sources and update) now that i have drivers and kernel installed, can I now remove the non-free and contrib sources safely, or will that be bad for the nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:03.56 | peterS | sKeiths: you probably want to keep them in sources.list so that if there are updates (security updates, kernel-related updates, etc.) to those packages you have installed, you'll see them |
| 18:04.44 | peterS | sKeiths: nothing horrible will happen if you have packages on your system for which there is no corresponding entry in sources.list ... but all in all ... yeah. |
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| 18:18.47 | volume_8 | Hi. I would like some help setting up my monitor's resolution. I got a new monitor. Its ideal reoslution is 1920x1080 and xrandr reports the same. When I do xrandr --output VGA1 --auto, it switches to 1920x1080, but only the upper-left part of the screen is occupied. |
| 18:18.51 | volume_8 | The rest is pure black. |
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| 18:19.09 | volume_8 | I also don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:19.19 | volume_8 | and when I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, nothing happens! |
| 18:19.38 | volume_8 | How should I proceed? |
| 18:19.45 | jthomas_ | xorg.conf isn't required any more unless you have somethign specific required to be set; dpkg-reconfigure also no longer works. |
| 18:20.11 | volume_8 | ok |
| 18:20.34 | volume_8 | but why is my screen occupying less than half of hte monitor |
| 18:20.41 | volume_8 | even though it seems to be in the correct resolution? |
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| 18:20.50 | jthomas_ | you can set/create an xorg.conf if you want, created from the current running config, with "cd /etc/X11/ && Xorg -configure " |
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| 18:21.14 | jthomas_ | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 18:21.34 | jthomas_ | that, I do not know. perhaps you don't have the correct driver installed or enough video RAM to display at that resolution? |
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| 18:21.58 | volume_8 | how can I find whether I'm using he correct driver? |
| 18:22.03 | volume_8 | lspci -k tells me my VGA is using i915 |
| 18:22.22 | jthomas_ | ok, that's an Intel chip; 'aptitude search xorg |
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| 18:22.40 | jthomas_ | 'aptitude search xorg |grep -i intel' |
| 18:22.54 | volume_8 | it's installed |
| 18:22.57 | jthomas_ | the far-left column should have 'i' (installed) |
| 18:23.00 | volume_8 | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:23.13 | volume_8 | how can I see whether Xorg uses it? |
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| 18:23.56 | jthomas_ | lshw -c video |
| 18:23.59 | volume_8 | I think it's using the 'intel' driver, or that's what I gather from the logs. |
| 18:23.59 | volume_8 | aha! |
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| 18:24.20 | jthomas_ | yes? |
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| 18:24.42 | volume_8 | yeah lshw gives me i915 |
| 18:24.53 | volume_8 | but the xorg logs keep referring to 'intel' |
| 18:25.09 | jthomas_ | it is an intel chip |
| 18:25.11 | volume_8 | Is intel some kind of parent driver for i915? :/ |
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| 18:25.28 | jthomas_ | i xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display |
| 18:25.36 | volume_8 | aha |
| 18:25.37 | volume_8 | fair enough |
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| 18:26.04 | volume_8 | So for some reason when X starts |
| 18:26.10 | volume_8 | the default modeline is 1366x768 |
| 18:26.16 | volume_8 | and then I have to switch it to 1920x1080 |
| 18:26.23 | volume_8 | when I do so with xrandr, I get the following log: |
| 18:26.30 | volume_8 | Allocated new frame buffer 1920x1080 stride 7680, tiled |
| 18:26.33 | volume_8 | what is 'tiled'? |
| 18:26.42 | volume_8 | is this normal? |
| 18:26.59 | Derpadong | tiled means they are tiled like floor tiled |
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| 18:27.10 | volume_8 | 'they' who? |
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| 18:28.40 | jthomas_ | prob, 'they' the segments of the screen. you get to see one but not the others or something. (Just a guess) |
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| 18:28.54 | volume_8 | hm |
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| 18:30.28 | wolf29 | volume_8: tiled means the desktop image is repeated, as if it were a floor tile |
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| 18:31.01 | volume_8 | ok |
| 18:31.07 | volume_8 | this is not what I'm experiencing |
| 18:31.29 | volume_8 | I'm experiencing my desktop being on the upper-left side of my monitor (occupying around 45% of my screen sie) |
| 18:31.32 | volume_8 | and the rest is pure black. |
| 18:31.40 | volume_8 | No relevant EEs or WWs on Xorg.log. |
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| 18:34.23 | ompaul | volume_8: ah you have the fun, your card can drive very high, your monitor is says no, and the effect you are getting is the one you see, I had this recently with one of those vga projectors, I had to tell kde to talk at 1024x768 yet when it was plugged into a 21 inch monitor it was able to do some much higher number |
| 18:34.45 | jthomas_ | ompaul so what's the solution? |
| 18:34.50 | ompaul | otherwise |
| 18:35.02 | volume_8 | my monitor is pretty good. I just bought it. |
| 18:35.11 | ompaul | tell your DE to talk correctly |
| 18:35.12 | volume_8 | I would say that my monitor is much higher grade than my gfx |
| 18:35.17 | volume_8 | What is DE? |
| 18:35.22 | volume_8 | And how do I talk to it? |
| 18:35.24 | ompaul | desktop environment |
| 18:35.33 | volume_8 | Interesting. |
| 18:35.38 | ompaul | firstly have you an xorg.conf |
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| 18:36.20 | volume_8 | no |
| 18:36.23 | ompaul | good |
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| 18:36.35 | ompaul | is the card ati or nvidia |
| 18:36.45 | volume_8 | intel |
| 18:36.48 | ompaul | good |
| 18:37.01 | ompaul | what desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:37.07 | ompaul | which version of debian are you using |
| 18:37.22 | volume_8 | wheezy |
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| 18:37.26 | volume_8 | i3wm |
| 18:37.34 | volume_8 | i3wm.org |
| 18:37.36 | ompaul | I know nothing of i3wm |
| 18:37.38 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: that usually indicates that something is wrong with X, the resolution you are using, or the driver. |
| 18:37.49 | volume_8 | ompaul: it's a bare bones tiling wm |
| 18:37.57 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: see what xrandr; outputs, and what is in your Xorg log |
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| 18:38.45 | volume_8 | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/215841 |
| 18:38.49 | volume_8 | xrandr: http://paste.debian.net/215842 |
| 18:39.03 | volume_8 | oops wait |
| 18:39.27 | volume_8 | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/215843 |
| 18:39.33 | volume_8 | xrandr: http://paste.debian.net/215844 |
| 18:39.38 | volume_8 | please see the last two ones. |
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| 18:40.41 | mcgreg | you have 2 monitors. X chosses a resolution you can use on both. |
| 18:41.03 | volume_8 | D: |
| 18:41.07 | volume_8 | why does it do that? |
| 18:41.16 | volume_8 | I want to have a different reso on each monitor. |
| 18:41.18 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: if you're not doing mirroring, that's what it has to do |
| 18:41.25 | jthomas_ | do you have one set to the left, one to the right? |
| 18:41.25 | dondelelcaro | err, if you're doing mirroring |
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| 18:41.27 | volume_8 | can I do mirroring? |
| 18:41.35 | volume_8 | jthomas_: I haven't set anything |
| 18:41.44 | jthomas_ | defaults to mirroring then |
| 18:41.45 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: do you want the same stuff on both monitors? or different things? |
| 18:41.47 | volume_8 | I see the same "image" on both screens |
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| 18:41.59 | volume_8 | I don't care. I ony plan to use the VGA monitor. |
| 18:42.05 | volume_8 | Same stuff would be better I guess |
| 18:42.16 | jthomas_ | then you need to use the lower resolutio |
| 18:42.22 | jthomas_ | so it can appear on both |
| 18:42.22 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: well, same stuff, the best you can do is 1024x768 |
| 18:42.27 | volume_8 | ok |
| 18:42.29 | volume_8 | different things then |
| 18:42.44 | volume_8 | All I care about is to have 1920x1080 on my VGA. |
| 18:42.55 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: then xrandr --output LVDS1 --left-of VGA1 |
| 18:42.56 | mcgreg | volume_8: I dont know for your DE but for example on KDE you can save xrandr setting so that it still open up a desired resolution after logging in |
| 18:43.13 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: and xrandr --output VGA1 --auto; xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto; |
| 18:43.17 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: and you should be all set |
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| 18:43.45 | volume_8 | woah |
| 18:43.47 | volume_8 | neat |
| 18:43.49 | volume_8 | it worked |
| 18:43.51 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: there's also lxrandr and grandr if you'd prefer something graphical. |
| 18:44.04 | volume_8 | thank you so much |
| 18:44.06 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 18:44.10 | volume_8 | how can I retain these settings post-reboot? |
| 18:44.13 | orolin | I getting an infinte loop at graphical login, can anyone help? |
| 18:44.23 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: I personally just have mine shoved into my ~?.xsession |
| 18:44.33 | dondelelcaro | s{\?}{/} |
| 18:44.37 | volume_8 | dondelelcaro: the xrandr commands? |
| 18:44.41 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: |
| 18:44.42 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: yes |
| 18:44.44 | volume_8 | don't they need root to be run? |
| 18:44.55 | mcgreg | orolin: X restart all the time or X restarts after correct login? |
| 18:44.58 | tech_ | I beleive that's right |
| 18:45.03 | dondelelcaro | volume_8: no, they just need to be run as the user which is running X |
| 18:45.08 | volume_8 | fun |
| 18:45.09 | volume_8 | thanks! |
| 18:45.09 | tech_ | oh, okay |
| 18:45.30 | dondelelcaro | well, technically, they just need to be able to connect to X, whatever user/environment that requires |
| 18:45.36 | orolin | mrgreg: after login (pass is accepted) i'm just returned to the same login screen |
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| 18:46.22 | orolin | mc* |
| 18:46.23 | mcgreg | in theory that can happen for many reason... check if your hdd is full :) |
| 18:46.38 | orolin | I'm certain it's not |
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| 18:47.19 | orolin | i'm running debian in a virtualbox vm btw |
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| 18:48.23 | mcgreg | orolin: I'd say the question is: is X crashing or is the DE just not starting |
| 18:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mcgreg, that would have been my first guess, too :) |
| 18:48.45 | mcgreg | I'd check if X crashes in Xorg log |
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| 18:49.10 | mcgreg | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe .. happened to me once ;) |
| 18:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mcgreg, was just going to say... tends to stick in your memory when it has happened to you :) (was quota back at uni in my case, though, I think) |
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| 18:50.57 | bluesm | Hi. Could you help me with |
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| 18:51.06 | bluesm | "no init found try passing init= bootarg" on the boot ? |
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| 18:51.21 | orolin | mcgreg: but if I can't login to the machine, how can I issue commands to it? |
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| 18:51.35 | blackness | orolin, burn a livecd, and chroot to it? |
| 18:51.45 | bluesm | I tried to bood live cd debian, and fsck disk, but it said that is clean... |
| 18:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | orolin, you cannot login non-grapically either? |
| 18:52.09 | blackness | bluesm, i believe you have grub issues.. |
| 18:52.22 | elik | I get system hangs once in a while, where nothing will work (not even sysrq). Any tips on how to get info on the cause of said hang |
| 18:52.46 | blackness | elik, i would suggest checking your hardware.. |
| 18:53.04 | elik | blackness: no hangs on windows |
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| 18:53.22 | blackness | it hangs on debian and windows? |
| 18:53.31 | elik | no |
| 18:53.33 | elik | only on debian |
| 18:54.04 | bluesm | blackness: hmm, I don't think this is grub... I couldn't login to another terminal, earlier, so I reboot an then .... |
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| 18:54.46 | elik | I think it has to do with a driver, either for my wifi card or my sd card, but there is nothing in the logs uppon reboot |
| 18:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | can still be a hardware-flaw... hardware is used differently between windows and linux... |
| 18:55.03 | blackness | elik, disable them both and run for awhile and see |
| 18:55.23 | blackness | but my first checkpoint would be hardware.. harddrive in fact. |
| 18:55.36 | blackness | then memory..windows is less strict on failures vs linux/unix |
| 18:55.53 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: well, at that point, it becomes a software issue, no? |
| 18:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, try to see if there are any console logs... if it has a wired ethernet and you have a 2nd computer, you can use a netconsole for that |
| 18:55.59 | blackness | i have drives debian rejects, that ive used in windows for months before. |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | rejects? |
| 18:57.02 | blackness | yeah |
| 18:57.21 | blackness | debian wont let me read,, write, fsck, mount, etc. but will work fine in windows. |
| 18:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, dunno... if you have a ladder with a broken step and there's two guys (robots?), one always takes two steps at a time the other not... what's broken, the ladder or the 2nd guy? |
| 18:58.16 | mcgreg | orolin: to go a linux console - should be possible from the login screen |
| 18:58.42 | orolin | mcgreg, just booted in recovery mode and was able to login as root |
| 18:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, just saying can't hurt to check the hardware although you don't see the problem in windows... |
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| 18:59.06 | orolin | mcgreg, i'm reading the xorg log file, but not sure what I'm looking for |
| 18:59.22 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: gotcha |
| 18:59.23 | mcgreg | go to the end of the file |
| 18:59.27 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: netconsole looks interesting |
| 18:59.44 | mcgreg | orolin: and look for words like crash |
| 18:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, there's a factoid for that, too |
| 18:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell elik about netconsole |
| 19:00.05 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I talk with dpkg a lot, already asked him :) |
| 19:00.38 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: otherwise, I was looking into getting kernel dump. How can I know what options are enabled for the -dbg images? |
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| 19:01.22 | bluesm | What is the sda1 ? I mean "extended" ? |
| 19:01.31 | bluesm | when you do fdiks -l ? |
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| 19:02.46 | orolin | mcgreg, no crash foudn |
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| 19:03.20 | orolin | mcgreg, got a few driver load failures though |
| 19:03.21 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat: not sure how useful enabling kernel dump would be either, if it crashes at a point sysrq can't help |
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| 19:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, probably in /boot/config-* |
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| 19:06.53 | mcgreg | orolin: I think it would be odd if X start first and then crashes laters because of some driver loard failures... no, it more looks like to me like the DE fails to start properly. what DE is it? |
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| 19:07.49 | orolin | mcgreg, gnome |
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| 19:08.17 | bluesm | I got "attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda1" when I try to \ |
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| 19:08.24 | orolin | mcgreg, 2.3 i think, using Squeeze |
| 19:08.31 | bluesm | try to check this partition... |
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| 19:10.36 | mcgreg | orolin: ok... are you sure the installation went all ok? |
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| 19:11.09 | orolin | mcgreg, I'm guessing it did - been using the machine for a few days, installed and configured lots of stuff on it |
| 19:11.31 | orolin | mcgreg, the login loop issue started first time I tried to reboot it though, so not sure... |
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| 19:12.22 | mcgreg | orolin: go to the linux console and check if apt.get/dpkg is all right - perhaps for some reason something is finished or installed correctly |
| 19:12.40 | mcgreg | *apt-get / isn't |
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| 19:15.39 | orolin | mcgreg, apt-get check runs fine |
| 19:17.59 | mcgreg | orolin: is it possible that your /home/*user partition is set readonly? |
| 19:19.34 | orolin | mcgreg, it's listed with "drwxr-xr-x" permissions |
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| 19:20.53 | mcgreg | orolin: well , sorry I'm out then, I have no more ideas. perhaps someone more experienced can help you |
| 19:21.10 | orolin | mcgreg, ok - no worries mate |
| 19:21.13 | orolin | mcgreg, thanks for the help |
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| 19:24.51 | Walex2 | bluesm: bad news, either you got a broken disk or worse. |
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| 19:26.39 | Walex2 | orolin: are getting an infinite loop or when you login it terminates immediately? |
| 19:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: If errors like that get through the disk control system they're pretty much indicators of a dead disk. |
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| 19:30.24 | jhutchins_wk | There's a password generator somewhere that does <shortword><digit><shortword> I keep forgetting where it is. |
| 19:30.45 | scientes | blue_, what are the errors? |
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| 19:31.05 | scientes | oh i see |
| 19:31.07 | alexbobp | grep --include /etc/passwd root /etc/passwd |
| 19:31.12 | alexbobp | this command should print a line |
| 19:31.14 | scientes | what about "DRDY" errors? |
| 19:31.20 | alexbobp | but it seems debian has a bugged version of grep as of late |
| 19:31.49 | scientes | there is also the "self destruct in 5 seconds. Have a nice day." error |
| 19:32.03 | scientes | that gave me a bit of a laugh, before it wasn't funny anymore...... :) |
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| 19:32.28 | peterS | alexbobp: you mean: grep --include passwd root /etc/passwd |
| 19:32.34 | orolin | Walex2, might be that it terminates immeadiately |
| 19:32.50 | peterS | it's a filename glob, not a full path glob |
| 19:32.54 | orolin | Walex2, I'm getting an error when I try startx with my user account, only works with root |
| 19:33.07 | orolin | Walex2, "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" |
| 19:33.23 | jhutchins_wk | orolin: Yeah, startx as a user is deprecated. |
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| 19:33.37 | jhutchins_wk | orolin: It's assumed that you will use a dm to manage GUI startup/login. |
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| 19:34.03 | orolin | jhutchins_wk, so that's not the issue then? |
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| 19:34.52 | jhutchins_wk | orolin: Well, it could be for you, but it's intended. |
| 19:35.00 | orolin | right |
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| 19:35.51 | jhutchins_wk | orolin: I think stuff like startkde still works, there's probably something similar for gnome, but I think xfce still expects startx. |
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| 19:37.21 | ChmEarl | orolin, jhutchins_wk lightdm Display manager works great with xfce4 |
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| 19:39.06 | alexbobp | peterS: ah, thanks |
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| 19:39.25 | alexbobp | peterS: I guess grep is trimming the glob argument I provided. either way it does reveal the bug |
| 19:39.40 | alexbobp | I see it printing nothing on my debian server, but works on my local machine now that I've updated grep from upstream |
| 19:39.58 | alexbobp | peterS: do you see the bug? and what version of debian are oyu on? |
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| 19:40.35 | peterS | alexbobp: I see the behavior you report. I don't know if it's a bug. The documentation mentions a file glob, which doesn't necessarily imply that you can match a whole pathname with "/" in it. |
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| 19:41.20 | jhutchins_wk | ChmEarl: Yeah, the dm's support xfce just fine, but I don't know of a startxfce command - it could exist, I just don't know. |
| 19:41.21 | peterS | alexbobp: for comparison, think about 'find -name' vs 'find -path' |
| 19:41.32 | alexbobp | peterS: take out /etc/ and try it |
| 19:41.40 | alexbobp | for me it gives the exact same results, both on buggy and non-buggy grep |
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| 19:41.51 | alexbobp | one way I can tell it's a bug is if I compile the same version of grep from GNU's site, it does what I expect :P |
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| 19:42.04 | peterS | alexbobp: 'grep --include passwd root /etc/passwd' does the expected thing for me - it shows me the line you would expect. |
| 19:42.05 | alexbobp | regardless of correctness, the debian version is certainly *different*, and that doesn't seem good |
| 19:42.17 | alexbobp | peterS: what version of debian? |
| 19:42.20 | alexbobp | and what version of grep? |
| 19:42.27 | alexbobp | I saw it on debian's 2.6.2 and 2.10 |
| 19:42.28 | peterS | alexbobp: grep 2.12-2 from unstable-ish |
| 19:42.31 | alexbobp | ah |
| 19:42.37 | alexbobp | then I guess it's already been fixed even in debian |
| 19:42.43 | alexbobp | okay |
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| 19:43.21 | mstevens_ | is there anything I should know before trying to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 19:43.51 | alexbobp | peterS: well that's good, guess I don't need to file a bug report, but possibly somebody should expedite getting 2.12 out |
| 19:43.54 | peterS | alexbobp: debian changelog mentions a couple of patches related to --exclude, most recently: "Added 90-672240-exclude.patch so that --exclude excludes again (Closes: #672240)" in the latest upload |
| 19:44.11 | alexbobp | haha, yes, that seems like a good patch XD |
| 19:44.19 | peterS | alexbobp: (and I'm guessing --include and --exclude use similar code paths, so.) |
| 19:44.23 | alexbobp | peterS: thanks for helping me figure that out |
| 19:44.28 | peterS | no problem |
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| 19:52.37 | puppetpetester | if I have a debian install that is not encrypted, can I install luks and make it encrypted without formatting everything and reinstalling from scratch? |
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| 19:59.23 | Walex2 | orolin: if you are not authorized to start the X server it is probably because another user is logged into the console. |
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| 19:59.48 | Walex2 | orolin: instead of 'startx' try 'xinit' and then type 'gnome-session' when the X terminal has started |
| 20:00.02 | puppetpetester | Walex2: if I have a debian install that is not encrypted, can I install luks and make it encrypted without formatting everything and reinstalling from scratch? |
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| 20:00.54 | puppetpetester | also, please tell me debian 7 will not default install gnome3 :( |
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| 20:01.14 | puppetpetester | I don't dislike gtk3, but gnome3 marked the death of gnome |
| 20:01.18 | wdouglass | hey guys i've got a firewall question. |
| 20:01.32 | wdouglass | i want to block all outgoing tcp traffic, except ssh traffic |
| 20:01.33 | puppetpetester | I'll answer your firewall question if you answer my debian question |
| 20:01.50 | wdouglass | ok what's your question, i'll try |
| 20:01.59 | puppetpetester | if I have a debian install that is not encrypted, can I install luks and make it encrypted without formatting everything and reinstalling from scratch? |
| 20:02.03 | tech_ | puppetpetester: I second that complaint |
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| 20:02.25 | Walex2 | wdouglass: use a firewall scripter like shorewall, ferm or firewall |
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| 20:02.49 | wdouglass | i've almost got it working, i'd just like someone to look at these two iptables calls |
| 20:02.54 | Walex2 | puppetpetester: probably yes, but probably it is very difficult |
| 20:02.55 | wdouglass | i'm calling: |
| 20:03.15 | Walex2 | wdouglass: don;t use 'iptables' directly if you can't figure it out yourself |
| 20:03.20 | puppetpetester | Walex2: iptables -A OUTPUT -m tcp -p tcp -j DROP |
| 20:03.20 | puppetpetester | iptables -A OUTPUT -m udp -p udp -j DROP |
| 20:03.22 | tech_ | ah, okay |
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| 20:03.26 | Walex2 | wdouglass: anyhow there is #iptables for that. |
| 20:03.31 | wdouglass | Walex2: thanks for your help. |
| 20:03.32 | puppetpetester | wdouglass: one sec |
| 20:03.43 | wdouglass | iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp -j DROP |
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| 20:03.53 | puppetpetester | iptables -A OUTPUT -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 20:04.04 | wdouglass | do i call DROP then ACCEPT? |
| 20:04.11 | wdouglass | or the other way? or does it not matter? |
| 20:04.19 | Walex2 | reckons that #iptables gets a lot of cranks who think they can do 'iptables' |
| 20:04.26 | damacus | order matters |
| 20:04.29 | puppetpetester | put drop after accept |
| 20:04.36 | wdouglass | ok, that's probably my issue |
| 20:04.38 | puppetpetester | like a procedural language |
| 20:04.53 | puppetpetester | after you drop all outbound, allow only this |
| 20:05.09 | Walex2 | wdouglass: and what about the reverse traffic? you need a few other rules. |
| 20:05.21 | puppetpetester | Walex2: don't worry about that part :) |
| 20:05.36 | Walex2 | wdouglass: just use a script by someone who has figured out all the subtle details. Are you allowing DNS out too? |
| 20:05.38 | damacus | puppetpetester: hm? |
| 20:05.43 | puppetpetester | Walex2: you know what's funny, arp poison someone and set iptables to drop their packets |
| 20:05.45 | damacus | "< puppetpetester> after you drop all outbound, allow only this" |
| 20:05.46 | wdouglass | i don't care about reverse traffic. this is an excersize. i'm learning. |
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| 20:06.07 | damacus | allow what you will then drop the rest would be reversed |
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| 20:06.30 | wdouglass | ok it works now. Thanks guy's you've been very helpful. |
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| 20:08.40 | puppetpetester | wdouglass: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-4-block-all-incoming-traffic-but-allow-ssh.html |
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| 20:09.43 | puppetpetester | why shouldn't I use fedora or ubuntu? |
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| 20:09.46 | wdouglass | puppetpetester: almost, except i'm doing the same for outgoing. Incoming is wide open. again, this is not for real world use, i'm just learning about iptables |
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| 20:30.38 | NoSu010 | any one know how to setup nullmailer in debian 6.0+ |
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| 20:31.46 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: just install it, and set up a remote |
| 20:31.47 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: pretty simple |
| 20:32.10 | NoSu010 | where do you configure it? |
| 20:32.21 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: it'll ask you questions, or you just edit /etc/nullmailer/remotes |
| 20:32.38 | NoSu010 | so I edited that remotes file |
| 20:32.50 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: see nullmailer-send(8) for details |
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| 20:33.42 | NoSu010 | I put this line in there |
| 20:33.43 | NoSu010 | smtp.gmail.com smtp --port=587 --user=MYEMAIL@gmail.com --pass=MYPASS |
| 20:34.01 | NoSu010 | then to try to test it I did this |
| 20:34.15 | NoSu010 | mail -s "this is a nullmailer test" root |
| 20:34.27 | NoSu010 | then typed a message |
| 20:34.35 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: what do you have in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr ? |
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| 20:34.37 | NoSu010 | then pressed ctrl+d enter |
| 20:34.45 | NoSu010 | and got nothing |
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| 20:34.56 | NoSu010 | hmm let me look |
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| 20:35.12 | NoSu010 | nothing |
| 20:35.18 | NoSu010 | Read 0 lines |
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| 20:36.03 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: well, what you just asked was for a mail to be sent to root, but since that doesn't go anywhere, nothing ahppened. |
| 20:36.18 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: stick your address into /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr, and you should get mail then |
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| 20:36.45 | NoSu010 | ok thank you I will try that |
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| 20:37.46 | oo_miguel | I ran fetchmail while having an open instance of mutt, and saw some of them beeing added, while most of them not, and now they disappeaered. Is it possible that I lost them? Or is there some place where I might find them? |
| 20:38.28 | NoSu010 | hmm dondelelcaro no mail yet |
| 20:38.45 | oo_miguel | It seems fetchmail retrieved only a few of the emails from the server, while most of them simply vanished. |
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| 20:39.49 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: check what the mail log says |
| 20:39.49 | tech__ | I seem to have fewerr issues using offlineimap |
| 20:39.58 | tech__ | *fewer |
| 20:40.02 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: it'll show the mail going out, and to whom the mail was supposed to go to |
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| 20:42.35 | NoSu010 | ok once the mail.err finishes here its going by pretty fast something... |
| 20:42.36 | NoSu010 | just finished |
| 20:42.59 | NoSu010 | Dec 12 15:42:27 unLab-CAM nullmailer[11018]: smtp: Failed: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first |
| 20:43.22 | NoSu010 | Dec 12 15:42:27 unLab-CAM nullmailer[1702]: Sending failed: Permanent error in sending the message |
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| 20:43.35 | NoSu010 | basically that repeated a ton of times |
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| 20:44.03 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: right, you need to add --starttls to the remotes line |
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| 20:44.33 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: you can run /usr/lib/nullmailer/smtp to see the full set of options supported |
| 20:45.49 | NoSu010 | Dec 12 15:45:21 unLab-CAM nullmailer[1702]: Sending failed: Unspecified error |
| 20:45.56 | NoSu010 | ok I will try that |
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| 20:53.16 | NoSu010 | dont think gmail works with nullmailer in later versions |
| 20:53.44 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: it should; nullmailer just talks SMTP, and gmail does too. |
| 20:53.55 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: what error are you getting now? |
| 20:54.05 | NoSu010 | http://aarcane.org/2012/07/30/ssmtp-and-nullmailer/ |
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| 20:54.24 | NoSu010 | Dec 12 15:45:21 unLab-CAM nullmailer[1702]: Sending failed: Unspecified error |
| 20:54.52 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: which version of nullmailer is this? |
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| 20:55.15 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: if it's the version in squeeze, it may not support starttls. However, the version in wheezy should |
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| 20:57.47 | NoSu010 | I am using version 6.0+ as said prior |
| 20:57.55 | NoSu010 | *of debian |
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| 20:58.05 | matip | Hello guys |
| 20:58.16 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: that's squeeze, so you'll need a backport of nullmailer to use TLS |
| 20:58.17 | NoSu010 | which I think is squeeze? |
| 20:58.36 | matip | whatis the problem with "ssh -v -D 2000 -N myuser@myserver" ? I'm trying to create this tunnel to use my server as a proxy but it's not working |
| 20:58.36 | NoSu010 | why would the remove something like that |
| 20:58.41 | NoSu010 | seems kinda strange |
| 20:58.45 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: it wasn't removed |
| 20:58.46 | matip | I get "The connection was reset" all the time |
| 20:58.55 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: when squeeze was released, nullmailer didn't support TLS |
| 20:59.20 | NoSu010 | oh so now it does so I need a newer build of nullmailer? |
| 20:59.29 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: yes, you need a backport |
| 20:59.39 | NoSu010 | how do I go about that? |
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| 21:00.13 | matip | any idea? |
| 21:00.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell NoSu010 -about ssb |
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| 21:01.58 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: however, I'll actually whip you up a backport in a second. |
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| 21:13.52 | NoSu010 | dondelelcaro, do I want deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main or should that says wheezy there? |
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| 21:20.07 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: nullmailer hasn't already been backported. You'll either need to backport it yourself, or you can take the version I just backported |
| 21:20.22 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: http://debian.donarmstrong.com/squeeze-backports/nullmailer/nullmailer_1.11-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb |
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| 21:28.14 | NoSu010 | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.ca/2291999 |
| 21:28.15 | khimera | Hi everyone. I am tapping into dotdeb.org to install package. I've been trying to figure out how to install a specific version of the package from their archives. |
| 21:28.30 | khimera | but have no luck, any help? |
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| 21:30.21 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: you've got a bug in your zm init script |
| 21:30.29 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: that's got nothing to do with nullmailer. You'll have to fix that |
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| 21:31.48 | NoSu010 | so besides that error nullmailer is updated ? |
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| 21:32.02 | NoSu010 | or did that make the update fail |
| 21:33.07 | NoSu010 | Version: 1:1.11-2~bpo60+1 |
| 21:33.07 | NoSu010 | Config-Version: 1:1.04-1.2 |
| 21:33.23 | NoSu010 | what dpkg -s nullmailer has to say |
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| 21:35.22 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: nullmailer is upgraded, but you'll have to fix your init script configuration before you try to install anything else. |
| 21:36.04 | NoSu010 | ok so I did the mail command again and got nothing in mail.err |
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| 21:37.32 | NoSu010 | and nothing in mail.log |
| 21:37.40 | NoSu010 | and no emails into the inbox |
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| 21:41.33 | NoSu010 | rebooted and got 31 errors in the inbox saying it doesnt know whom root is so maybe we are good now let me change that I suppose |
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| 21:42.25 | NoSu010 | oh those were pending mssages they are still flowing in |
| 21:42.28 | NoSu010 | 286 |
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| 21:43.45 | NoSu010 | so I got the msgs I sent as tests to root |
| 21:44.19 | NoSu010 | but there are a bunch of automated system ones here that its hitting a bad address wonder what config has that in it :/ |
| 21:44.22 | NoSu010 | Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: |
| 21:44.22 | NoSu010 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.28 | NoSu010 | seems to have something to do with an app called munin |
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| 21:58.33 | matt868686 | Never mind. I registered myself as an user. |
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| 22:11.56 | NoSu010 | dondelelcaro, thank you for doing that backport |
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| 22:12.16 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: np |
| 22:12.27 | NoSu010 | seems like its working swell just need to find out where this bad address i set :/ |
| 22:12.30 | NoSu010 | http://debian.donarmstrong.com/squeeze-backports/nullmailer/nullmailer_1.11-2~bpo60+1_amd64.deb |
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| 22:12.42 | NoSu010 | oops |
| 22:12.43 | NoSu010 | http://pastebin.ca/2292163 |
| 22:12.52 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: that's just because you sent a but of messages to root before you set adminaddr |
| 22:13.00 | dondelelcaro | NoSu010: so they go to root@whatever the machine is called |
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| 22:13.12 | dondelelcaro | (or wherever else they were supposed to go) |
| 22:13.19 | NoSu010 | yeah they all came down now but I am still getting one of those |
| 22:14.09 | NoSu010 | [FATAL] There is nothing to do here, since there are no nodes with any plugins. Please refer to http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/FAQ_no_graphs at /usr/share/munin/munin-html line 38 |
| 22:14.35 | NoSu010 | I will have to figure out how to turn this one off :/ |
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| 22:15.26 | NoSu010 | as they are succeeding now but I get one of those every 5 mins |
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| 22:19.32 | alusion | I'm trying to install firefox |
| 22:19.51 | alusion | debian wheezy minimal, and I got the package from Linux Mint's debian package repo |
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| 22:20.01 | alusion | open it up and got this: (︶︿︶) |
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| 22:20.15 | alusion | http://imgur.com/mBYac |
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| 22:29.27 | matt868686 | Is there a native Linux application for managing(remote operating system installation including) RSA-II adapters on IBM servers? |
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| 22:31.42 | Walex2 | alusion: and what's wrong with that screenshot? |
| 22:32.17 | Walex2 | alusion: and why are you using Linux Mint packages on Debian? |
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| 22:33.06 | Infiltrator | alusion: Yeah; why not just install directly from Debian's repos? |
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| 22:34.30 | cactusbin | Whats up guys? |
| 22:34.57 | Infiltrator | cactusbin: More irc convos? |
| 22:35.16 | cactusbin | well I had a question actually, albeit a vague one |
| 22:35.26 | Infiltrator | !ask |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:35.57 | cactusbin | well I got into the steam linux beta but the package is for ubuntu and requires several ubuntu dependencies, is there any way to get around this? |
| 22:36.18 | cactusbin | I'm running wheezy so I shouldn't need newer packages but if I just unpack and run the binary it will fail |
| 22:36.23 | Infiltrator | Which packages does it require? |
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| 22:36.40 | Infiltrator | Also, congrats. Let us know how it goes. |
| 22:37.01 | cactusbin | Will do, if I can get it to work ;) |
| 22:37.04 | khimera | Am I doing something wrong? I downloaded all the files from : http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/squeeze/php5/5.4.8/binary-amd64/ and run dpkg -i *.deb but all files complain about dependencies. I thought by d.l the .deb files would handle all that? Or am I misunderstanding i guess |
| 22:37.06 | cactusbin | Infiltrator: heres the dpkg output http://pastebin.com/UJqqu43q |
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| 22:38.35 | reddolf | cactusbi have you tried this? http://goo.gl/2IB53 |
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| 22:39.03 | cactusbin | ah I have not reddolf I feel dumb for not looking at the forums though :/ |
| 22:39.08 | cactusbin | thanks :) |
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| 22:39.38 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: yeah follow the link reddolf posted and use Kano's script, you run it once as root then once again as your user |
| 22:40.00 | SmashingX | hey guys, does anyone know what version of kernel is Debian using? |
| 22:40.01 | cactusbin | nice sounds good guys I'll let you know how it goes |
| 22:40.10 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: it works for me |
| 22:40.17 | cactusbin | good shit Arrowmaster haha |
| 22:40.20 | Infiltrator | ,v linux-kernel |
| 22:40.21 | judd | No package named 'linux-kernel' was found in i386. |
| 22:40.30 | Arrowmaster | ,v linux-image |
| 22:40.31 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 22:40.41 | Infiltrator | ,v linux-image |
| 22:40.43 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 22:40.44 | reddolf | SmashingX Wheezy uses 3.2.0 |
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| 22:40.51 | LtL | , kernels |
| 22:40.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.9-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 22:40.56 | reddolf | squeeze is probably in 2.6.X |
| 22:41.08 | Infiltrator | LtL: Thanks. |
| 22:41.17 | LtL | Infiltrator: np :) |
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| 22:41.23 | Arrowmaster | LtL: stop making us look bad |
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| 22:41.41 | LtL | heh, won't happen Arrowmaster :) |
| 22:41.44 | SmashingX | reddolf: If I download the Debian version 6 what kernel is using? |
| 22:41.56 | Infiltrator | Arrowmaster: I thought that we were doing pretty well on our own. :) |
| 22:42.06 | reddolf | 2.6.32 |
| 22:42.50 | Infiltrator | SmashingX: 6 is stable is squeeze (at the moment) |
| 22:42.50 | SmashingX | and Wheezy is debian 7? |
| 22:43.00 | Infiltrator | Yup. |
| 22:43.04 | Infiltrator | Well. |
| 22:43.11 | Infiltrator | It _will_be. |
| 22:43.25 | SmashingX | but wheezy is the unstable version right? |
| 22:43.33 | SmashingX | i mean right now |
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| 22:43.47 | Arrowmaster | it needs to release today so i dont lose the bet |
| 22:44.52 | SmashingX | I wonder why I have kernel 3.2.0 If my Linux Mint DE is based on Debian |
| 22:45.00 | reddolf | http://www.debian.org/releases/ SmashingX |
| 22:45.36 | LtL | SmashingX: you can backport 3.2 into squeeze |
| 22:45.46 | SiDz | root@DonSiD:/usr/bin# ls vent* |
| 22:45.46 | SiDz | ventrilo_srv ventrilo_status |
| 22:45.46 | SiDz | root@DonSiD:/usr/bin# /usr/bin/ventrilo_srv |
| 22:45.46 | SiDz | -bash: /usr/bin/ventrilo_srv: No such file or directory |
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| 22:45.52 | SiDz | oups..... sorry |
| 22:46.10 | SiDz | what can cause that?, the file is there. |
| 22:46.58 | diverdude | anybody in here knows if proxmox running on debian squeeze can use raid arrays? |
| 22:47.04 | reddolf | maybe it's an ELF for a different architecture, SmashingX |
| 22:47.07 | reddolf | sorry, SiDz |
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| 22:47.47 | SiDz | yeahhh, you got it |
| 22:47.53 | SiDz | it worked fine with ia32-libs |
| 22:48.02 | SiDz | but now ia32-libs doest exist anymore |
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| 22:48.43 | SiDz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:48.43 | SiDz | ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
| 22:49.02 | Arrowmaster | you need to setup multi-arch |
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| 22:50.09 | alusion | I tried installing firefox from the binary and it still came out chinese. How do I install it from Debians repos? I have wheezy main in my sources |
| 22:50.20 | Arrowmaster | alusion: install iceweasel |
| 22:50.32 | alusion | b-but... |
| 22:50.43 | Arrowmaster | thats what firefox is named in the debian repos |
| 22:50.54 | reddolf | http://mozilla.debian.net/ alusion |
| 22:50.54 | alusion | is it exactly the same? |
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| 22:50.59 | reddolf | the one in experimental is |
| 22:51.05 | Arrowmaster | its exactly the same |
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| 22:51.31 | SiDz | dpkg --add-architecture i386, apt-update give me error Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-1386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 22:51.32 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, SiDz |
| 22:51.58 | SiDz | humm it work fine now |
| 22:52.48 | reddolf | it's not 1386, but i386 |
| 22:52.49 | SiDz | oh my god, so ia32-libs install 170 packages!? |
| 22:53.07 | SiDz | ya typo:) |
| 22:53.32 | reddolf | you don't have to use that anymore |
| 22:53.45 | Arrowmaster | SiDz: yes, ia32-libs got changed into a metapackage, packages that depend on it should update their dependencies to only depend on the exact packages they need now |
| 22:54.20 | SiDz | ventrilo_srv need ia32-libs |
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| 22:54.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah so does ia32-crossover :( |
| 22:55.21 | SiDz | i only want ia32-libs and ia32-libs:i386 |
| 22:55.24 | SiDz | no 170 packages |
| 22:55.26 | SiDz | not* |
| 22:55.34 | reddolf | you don't have to install that |
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| 22:55.38 | reddolf | just install the libs you want |
| 22:56.05 | reddolf | like apt-get install libcurl3:i386 |
| 22:56.39 | LordV | I have a little mini-system (Guruplug) running deb, and a Displaylink device that comes up as a framebuffer. I want to enable console output thru this, how can I signal (kernel? module? /etc/inittab?) the system to turn on the console through the FB? |
| 22:57.13 | SiDz | well how can i know ventrilo_srv needed libs? |
| 22:57.38 | reddolf | ldd yourexecutablehere |
| 22:58.04 | SiDz | ouput: not a dynamic executable |
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| 22:59.01 | reddolf | you need some runtime i386 libs |
| 22:59.25 | LordV | not if it's not dynamic |
| 22:59.43 | SiDz | /libdl.so.2 libc.so.6 |
| 22:59.44 | LordV | I'm here late: are you trying to RUN or BUILD ventrilo_srv? |
| 22:59.46 | reddolf | it is dynamic... |
| 23:00.21 | LordV | ah, yeah that's better ldd output. :) |
| 23:00.32 | reddolf | you need libc6:i386 |
| 23:00.42 | SiDz | fine thanks |
| 23:00.47 | reddolf | then try ldd again |
| 23:01.04 | SiDz | way better 5 package instead of 170 |
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| 23:01.27 | SiDz | working a1, thanks again |
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| 23:06.51 | magmasauce | did I hear correctly that Wheezy |
| 23:07.47 | streuner__ | jelly: mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/ and fuck you! ;-) |
| 23:07.50 | magmasauce | wont have MATE? |
| 23:08.30 | alteregoa | thank to the MATE team for mate, i can't stand 3d desktops, its useless |
| 23:08.41 | meLon_ | How does one reset a dm-N device? (SATA LVM) |
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| 23:10.12 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: did you get anything that said "Fatal Error: Failed to load steamui.so"? |
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| 23:11.18 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: i did at first but i fixed it somehow |
| 23:11.40 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: i dont really remember what i did |
| 23:11.44 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I've tried using LD_PREDLOAD and some other stuff suggested online... |
| 23:11.48 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: damn haha |
| 23:12.01 | Arrowmaster | what gfx card do you have |
| 23:12.13 | cactusbin | nvidia 9800 something |
| 23:12.19 | diverdude | I am trying to do mount -t ext4 /dev/md1 /media/md1 but get an error saying "wrong fs type". I also tried ext3 and other, but same error. Why can't i mount md1? |
| 23:12.22 | Arrowmaster | oh i probably fixed it by installing ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 23:12.44 | Arrowmaster | or you can use ldd to figure out exactly whats missing |
| 23:12.46 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: OK I'll do that, also do you run it using the debian_steam.sh script? |
| 23:12.49 | xsappyx | meLon: what are you trying to do? rescan the sata bus for a disk? rebuild a raid? |
| 23:13.19 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: no i installed it using kano's script and run it as just steam |
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| 23:13.57 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: hmm doing that I get an error about GLIBC_2.15... I assume this is where ldd comes in? sorry I'm not familiar with ldd haha |
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| 23:14.20 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: did you run kano's script as user instead of root? |
| 23:14.23 | meLon | Seldomly, one of my HDD's will fail. Upon rebooting, xsappyx, the drive works fine for a very long time. I've yet to determine the cause of the I/O error, but SMART tests have shown the drive is fine. I would like to reset the drive as if I were to reboot my machine, without having to go through the hastle of rebooting my machine. |
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| 23:14.50 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I did not I will try that now too |
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| 23:15.30 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: hmmm I installed ia32-libs-gtk and ran the script and I can now run "steam" but am still getting the error |
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| 23:15.39 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: about steamui.so that is |
| 23:16.09 | Arrowmaster | ok youve got an nvidia card, are you using the nvidia-glx packages in debian? |
| 23:16.24 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 23:16.37 | Arrowmaster | make sure you have the 32bit versions |
| 23:16.46 | Arrowmaster | i think they are named nvidia-glx-ia32 |
| 23:16.50 | Arrowmaster | and such |
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| 23:17.13 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: ah alright I will try that too :) thanks for trying to help me by the way |
| 23:17.48 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: didn't work though |
| 23:17.57 | xsappyx | meLon: you can try to do echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan that host1 will also be host2 host3 etc depending on your layout.. this works for VMs too picking up newly attached disks |
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| 23:19.04 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: when I run ldd it says "ldd: LD_PREDLOAD=/home/cactusbin/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steamui.so: No such file or directory" but it most definitely does |
| 23:19.19 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: sorry, most definitely exists |
| 23:19.52 | Arrowmaster | ldd ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steamui.so |
| 23:19.53 | Arrowmaster | try that |
| 23:19.58 | meLon | Cool, xsappyx. Know how I can determine which host hosts a specific device? |
| 23:20.45 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: lists many libs including some not found |
| 23:20.54 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: also says "/home/cactusbin/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steamui.so: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /home/cactusbin/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steamui.so)" |
| 23:22.26 | Arrowmaster | im going to try running steam and make sure mines up to date |
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| 23:22.37 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I can try and install the libs it says are not found but I'm a bit confused about what to do about GLIBC |
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| 23:23.29 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: the weird thing is that mine doesnt say anything about GLIBC when i run ldd on it |
| 23:23.50 | meLon | xsappyx: Maybe you can help me disable/re-enable the specific LV |
| 23:24.17 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: hmmm I'll try running the kano script again |
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| 23:24.45 | Arrowmaster | wtf i ran steam and now my pointer is backwards |
| 23:25.49 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: lol well the glibc thing is probably why it won't load the other libs are probably steam specific because they're like libsteam.so and stuff except libsdl2 |
| 23:26.06 | Arrowmaster | hold on let me check something |
| 23:26.46 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: cd ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32 |
| 23:26.50 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ldd steamui.so |
| 23:26.55 | Arrowmaster | run those |
| 23:27.14 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: no errors |
| 23:27.36 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: and everything is found? |
| 23:27.54 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: as far as I can tell |
| 23:28.00 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: do you have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to anything when you try to run steam? |
| 23:28.22 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: ermmm |
| 23:28.26 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: " |
| 23:28.32 | phogg | cactusbin: trying to get the steam beta working on non-Ubuntu? |
| 23:28.33 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: :/usr/local/cuda/lib64:/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_05/jre/lib/amd64:/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_05/jre/lib/i386:/usr/lib32::/usr/local/cuda/lib64:/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_05/jre/lib/amd64:/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0_05/jre/lib/i386:/usr/lib32:/home/cactusbin/steamlibs |
| 23:28.42 | cactusbin | phogg: yes haha |
| 23:28.46 | Arrowmaster | phogg: yeah, it works for me but not him |
| 23:28.53 | phogg | cactusbin: I recognize the symptoms |
| 23:29.04 | phogg | my hangup was Debian glibc being so old; have not gotten around to compiling my own |
| 23:29.07 | phogg | Arrowmaster: what distro? |
| 23:29.14 | Arrowmaster | wheezy |
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| 23:29.31 | cactusbin | wheezy for me too phogg |
| 23:29.44 | Arrowmaster | the glibc error is simple to fix by just throwing ubuntus glibc files into the .local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32 directory |
| 23:30.18 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I tried adding :/home/cactusbin/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/ to the end and exporting and running but no dice |
| 23:30.39 | phogg | Arrowmaster: I hadn't thought of that. You just extracted it from the deb? |
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| 23:30.57 | cactusbin | phogg: thats what the guy here http://aspensmonster.com/2012/12/07/steam-for-linux-beta-on-64-bit-debian-testing-wheezy/ says to do |
| 23:31.11 | phogg | cactusbin: ah, thanks for the link |
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| 23:31.19 | Arrowmaster | phogg: just run this once as root then once again as user http://kanotix.com/files/fix/install-steam-wheezy.sh |
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| 23:31.45 | phogg | I only got as far as de-bunutu-izing they setup scripts and then put it on hold when I ran into the glibc thing |
| 23:32.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah i got as far as getting space pirates and zombies running but then somebody sent me a message on steam and the notification popup pulled the game out of fullscreen and locked it up |
| 23:33.17 | cactusbin | ah my bad Arrowmaster actually libGL.so.1 => not found |
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| 23:33.41 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: dumb question but what package can I get that |
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| 23:33.51 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: for 32-bit |
| 23:33.56 | phogg | Arrowmaster: that script is rather horrible, but I see what it's doing. Thanks. |
| 23:34.04 | Arrowmaster | i think you might be missing an nvidia package |
| 23:34.21 | Arrowmaster | phogg: yeah i commented out all the apt-get install's when i ran it |
| 23:34.43 | phogg | Arrowmaster: right, I'd rather install in /usr/local than have a hacked up deb installed |
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| 23:35.06 | phogg | a bad deb made by a 3rd party for another distro hacked to work on mine? Sorry, that's what local is for! |
| 23:35.20 | Arrowmaster | all it does it modify the dependencies to let you install it |
| 23:35.36 | phogg | Arrowmaster: ... install it into the main system and not /usr/local where it belongs |
| 23:36.06 | phogg | anyway, the postinst script is also of dubious value |
| 23:36.24 | phogg | Arrowmaster: is pulse really a hard dependency? |
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| 23:36.29 | phogg | I don't see a reference from ldd |
| 23:36.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
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| 23:37.27 | Arrowmaster | like i said, i commented out all the apt-get install's and did it all manually |
| 23:37.49 | phogg | I'll write my own script |
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| 23:38.28 | cactusbin | ha if you get it to work phogg you should send it my way ;) |
| 23:38.30 | phogg | I'd like to share some patches, but I don't want to piss valve off for redistributing things |
| 23:38.33 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: im not really sure for nvidia drivers on what you need to install |
| 23:38.47 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I have libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 installed... I'll keep looking around thanks man |
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| 23:39.36 | Arrowmaster | cactusbin: and /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 doesnt exist? |
| 23:39.56 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: it does... |
| 23:40.00 | Vasistha | After a recent update of squeeze, my computer does not power off properly. Looks like all's well but I get a message, "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" and the computer doesn't power off |
| 23:40.48 | Vasistha | no disk checking or anything on bootup, so I assume the disks must be unmounting properly |
| 23:42.18 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: I think I might need to use the multiarch packages |
| 23:42.30 | MrFrood | Vasistha: how are you inicating the powerdown? |
| 23:42.53 | Vasistha | MrFrood: well, last time I typed halt as root |
| 23:43.30 | Vasistha | I usually use the trinity/tde shutdown menu. same result for either |
| 23:43.38 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: well I installed libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and it uninstalled a bunch of shit and hopefully I didn't break my system but steam runs now!! |
| 23:43.44 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: thanks again for all your help |
| 23:44.21 | MrFrood | Vasistha: "shutdown -p now" what happens |
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| 23:44.41 | MrFrood | the -p is an explicit poweroff command |
| 23:45.09 | Vasistha | MrFrood: hmm I ... need to stop doing what I'm working on and test this :) I will try that in a few minutes!! |
| 23:45.19 | MrFrood | np |
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| 23:45.59 | Arrowmaster | grr im trying to backup my phone but it keeps rebooting while its backing up |
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| 23:53.56 | cactusbin | Arrowmaster: you probably think I'm dumb as bricks but just thought I'd tell you in case other people try this... apt uninstalled nvidia-glx among other things and I rebooted and it did indeed break my X windows shit so I'll be reinstalling and this time I'll install nvidia with multiarch and hopefully everything will work lol |
| 23:54.25 | Arrowmaster | just consider it a learning experience |
| 23:54.57 | cactusbin | lol yeah been using linux for awhile but still definitely a beginner maybe intermediate user thanks again for your help though Arrowmaster |
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| 23:57.27 | phogg | you you broke X and were able to fix it you're way past beginner |
| 23:57.37 | phogg | s/^you/if/ |
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