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| 00:00.26 | Doggie52 | Is there a way to change the interactive dialog box when pressing the shutdown button from 60 seconds to something less? |
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| 00:00.46 | JohnnyL | jelly-home: no |
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| 00:01.07 | jcrowgey | hi debian room, i think i've got an easy question. i want to find out the specifics about the font called "Monospace" on my desktop. I haven't changed it, don't want to, just want to know how to querey what font it is. |
| 00:01.54 | jcrowgey | i see, for example here (http://perlstalker.vuser.org/blog/sysadminnotes/posts/setting-default-monospace-font-xfce/ ) that i can customize this font, but I don't know how to find what it is currently. |
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| 00:03.28 | JohnnyL | well? |
| 00:03.53 | jcrowgey | i wish there was some option on for fc-list or somthing along those lines. maybe my questions wasn't as easy as i thought. |
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| 00:05.37 | zykotick9 | jcrowgey: does xfontsel help? |
| 00:06.18 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: nothing specific to add; I'd strace the command, see whcih files it opens before that, and try to figure which config file the parse error stems from |
| 00:06.47 | JohnnyL | should i make mods to grub2? |
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| 00:08.02 | srg | Hi. I'm trying to write a .iso file to a USB flash drive using dd. It's taking a really damn long time. I googled and it said I should specify "bs=xxx" I'm wondering what the "xxx" part should be |
| 00:08.43 | phogg | srg: tried man dd? |
| 00:08.46 | srg | The image is 763MB, if that matters |
| 00:08.53 | barfod | srg: just dd if anf of |
| 00:09.00 | jelly-home | srg: 1M is a nice big figure |
| 00:09.08 | barfod | if and of* dont worry about all the bs |
| 00:09.09 | zykotick9 | srg: cat works as well, but i'm told it might be slower then dd... |
| 00:09.15 | JohnnyL | maybe if I edit nsswitch.conf I can get my audio to work. |
| 00:09.17 | srg | phogg: Yes, it tells me what "bs" is...not what to set it to. |
| 00:09.21 | srg | block size |
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| 00:09.30 | barfod | oh yes use cat. thats the recommended debian-way now |
| 00:09.32 | srg | jelly-home: thanks |
| 00:09.35 | srg | oh? |
| 00:09.38 | uncommitted | setting up a preseed box, seems wheezy 6.0.6 can't detect BCM5721? |
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| 00:09.46 | phogg | srg: It should be some even factory of the data to copy, but it can be almost anything that is less than your available ram. |
| 00:09.49 | uncommitted | could swear that 6.0.5 did? |
| 00:09.50 | MrSoll | JohnnyL: why should be that? |
| 00:10.02 | jelly-home | srg: GNU dd (the one you have on Linux) won't mind that the image isn't exactly 763.000 MiB and will write all of it, even the last incomplete block |
| 00:10.12 | phogg | srg: generally I omit bs unless there's some special reason to specify it |
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| 00:10.19 | srg | jelly-home: ok, good to know |
| 00:10.22 | srg | phogg: ok, thanks |
| 00:10.30 | srg | I was just hoping to somehow speed it up or something |
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| 00:11.00 | jelly-home | phogg: generally, usb-storage lies and says it has sector size of 512B |
| 00:11.05 | phogg | srg: a larger block size will mean fewer copies and probably run faster on a modern system, but not so much that you'd notice for a small file like that |
| 00:11.21 | barfod | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/installation.html 4.1.2. Booting from a USB Key |
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| 00:11.25 | barfod | srg: ^ |
| 00:11.27 | jelly-home | phogg: letting dd trust the value as it does by default is highly suboptimal |
| 00:11.31 | esing | Hello |
| 00:11.44 | JohnnyL | MrSoll dependencies |
| 00:11.57 | phogg | jelly-home: yes, but it's not something I'll lose sleep over. |
| 00:12.18 | jelly-home | I guess you like to test write multiplication on cheap usb sticks! |
| 00:12.47 | MrSoll | JohnnyL: nsswitch.conf is for naming services like pam and name resolving, not for audio |
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| 00:14.00 | esing | How do I enable my USB soundcard in debian? The soundcard is recognized: http://bpaste.net/show/r0u4UMFAJ0OIKTUfeljG/ |
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| 00:14.18 | uncommitted | found my driver issue, seems current installer is hacked |
| 00:14.25 | esing | I could not find a 'sounds' file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:14.32 | uncommitted | not hacked, meant jacked |
| 00:14.54 | JohnnyL | Msol: it's not a problem with the current version os ls? |
| 00:15.02 | JohnnyL | s/os/of |
| 00:15.09 | srg | Should I be writing the image to /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 ? I imagine sda1? |
| 00:15.29 | MrSoll | JohnnyL: what is your problem exactly? (I missed that part) |
| 00:15.36 | srg | for the first partition? or do .iso's contain the partition info? |
| 00:16.36 | zykotick9 | srg: if you want a bootable iso on USB it's NOT in partition, so sda |
| 00:16.48 | srg | zykotick9: thank you |
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| 00:20.35 | uncommitted | where can I get the latest (and most stable) netboot.tar.gz? |
| 00:21.16 | uncommitted | and possibly report an issue with the current one? :-) |
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| 01:31.49 | JohnnyL | can someone help me with my soundblaster. |
| 01:32.36 | gnarface | JohnnyL: do you know precisely which soundblaster? |
| 01:33.09 | JohnnyL | ca0105? |
| 01:33.33 | gnarface | hmm |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | how about .. what's wrong with it? |
| 01:35.25 | JohnnyL | ah here it is rocketfish 7.1 pci sound card. |
| 01:36.49 | JohnnyL | works under windows |
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| 01:45.55 | JohnnyL | maybe after this I can get a doctoriate in open sores integration. |
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| 01:49.48 | gnarface | JohnnyL: please identify your soundcard with lspci |
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| 01:50.24 | gnarface | JohnnyL: and no, nobody will give you a doctorate in this. its just lousy alsa support. that's all |
| 01:50.42 | JohnnyL | ok |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | or maybe he could tell us what's actually wrong? |
| 01:51.48 | gnarface | that would help a lot too |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | that might be fun, yo uknow .. before gnarface does his usual " nothing works, everything sucks" speech |
| 01:52.01 | jgiorgi | can an interface be configured in /etc/network/interfaces without being auto/hotplug, i'm setting up a tunnel i'd like to activate manually |
| 01:52.18 | gnarface | abrotman: i was only gonna actually help him if i could guess his problem based on the device model :-p |
| 01:52.24 | JohnnyL | 01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs CA0106 Soundblaster [1102:0007] |
| 01:52.36 | gnarface | wow |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | gnarface: why bother, you see prejudiced for everything |
| 01:52.53 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1102:0007 |
| 01:52.54 | judd | [1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0007 and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module. |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | JohnnyL: so let's try again .. What doesn't work ? |
| 01:53.27 | gnarface | abrotman: because if i knew the answer off the top of my head from running into the particular hardware and having solved all its common problems before, i'd just be able to feel smarter, that's all. its an emotional payoff |
| 01:53.53 | JohnnyL | aplay goes thought the process , no sound. |
| 01:53.55 | JohnnyL | alsactl init gives an error |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | gnarface: or just ask an actual questoin instead of shooting your mouth off? :) |
| 01:54.11 | bubull3 | jgiorgi: yes it can, then use ifup ifdown |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | !tell JohnnyL about alsa checklist |
| 01:54.42 | jgiorgi | bubull3: something special i need to do, rather than auto name, do i just skip that line? |
| 01:54.52 | gnarface | abrotman: i did. i asked the model number, then, only when i didn't recognize it, i shot my mouth off |
| 01:55.09 | bubull3 | jgiorgi: no nothing special |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | yeah, who cares what does/doesn't work ... |
| 01:55.19 | gnarface | abrotman: but if you'll review the record, i did wait for *him* to shoot his mouth off first |
| 01:55.27 | JohnnyL | i am trying from root, does this matter? |
| 01:55.28 | JohnnyL | + |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | JohnnyL: depends |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | wonders where the lag is ... |
| 01:56.32 | JohnnyL | i am in wheezy |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | JohnnyL: did you see what the bot told you? |
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| 01:57.15 | JohnnyL | yes |
| 01:57.49 | JohnnyL | alsactl init |
| 01:57.50 | JohnnyL | alsactl: parse:1655: Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/init/ca0106': No such file or directory |
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| 01:58.43 | JohnnyL | bbiab |
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| 01:59.50 | peterrooney | ,file /usr/share/alsa/init/ca0106 |
| 01:59.54 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 02:00.29 | johndoe | how would i install a testing package on stable debian? (using apt-get) |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | peterrooney: he's using wheezy |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | !tell johndoe about ssb |
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| 02:02.08 | JohnnyL_ | back in black |
| 02:02.17 | JohnnyL_ | can u resend me that bot msg? |
| 02:02.19 | JohnnyL_ | thanks |
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| 02:03.05 | JohnnyL_ | i have this version of wheezy working with a realtek. it was a 1 2 3 on confiuration. |
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| 02:05.20 | JohnnyL_ | well? |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell JohnnyL about alsa checklist |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | is laggy :( |
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| 02:09.29 | JohnnyL_ | ? |
| 02:10.30 | gnarface | JohnnyL, JohnnyL_ consider the possibility its a transient wheezy bug |
| 02:10.42 | gnarface | check the bug tracker |
| 02:10.46 | gnarface | there might be a temporary fix |
| 02:11.09 | gnarface | isn't running wheezy OR one of those soundcards |
| 02:11.12 | JohnnyL_ | you tell me like i know where this bug tracker is. |
| 02:11.14 | dvs | How much egg nog has dpkg had? |
| 02:11.16 | abrotman | has he gone through the checklist yet? |
| 02:11.25 | JohnnyL_ | i didn't go through the list, because i'm on the downstairs machine |
| 02:11.35 | gnarface | oh sorry JohnnyL_ bugs.debian.org (in general you can ask the dpkg bot in this channel all such questions) |
| 02:11.50 | abrotman | JohnnyL: good plan, because we made that checklist for no good reason .. |
| 02:11.58 | JohnnyL_ | tell johnnyl_ about alsa |
| 02:12.03 | JohnnyL_ | nothing |
| 02:12.14 | gnarface | you have to lead with a / |
| 02:12.23 | gnarface | also, you should just say /msg dpkg alsa |
| 02:12.31 | JohnnyL_ | tell johnnyl_ about alsa checklist |
| 02:12.43 | JohnnyL_ | dpkg tell johnnyl_ about alsa checklist |
| 02:13.00 | JohnnyL_ | dpkg: tell Johnnyl_ about alsa checklist |
| 02:13.47 | gnarface | JohnnyL_: now ask it about selftell |
| 02:13.50 | JohnnyL_ | how can you tell it's muted, is volume level turned off? |
| 02:14.01 | JohnnyL_ | dpkg: tell Johnnyl_ about selftell |
| 02:14.41 | gnarface | well, if you're using the console mixer app (alsamixer) there will be "MM" on the muted channels. turning them to 0 is effectively the same thing as far as i know |
| 02:14.53 | gnarface | use "m" to toggle mute |
| 02:15.00 | JohnnyL_ | oh ok. that may just be it. |
| 02:15.11 | JohnnyL_ | i just set up all levels to max. |
| 02:15.15 | gnarface | some drivers come up with 0 volume on all channels by default, its annoying |
| 02:15.23 | JohnnyL_ | sounds play, but I get no sound, no erros. |
| 02:15.26 | JohnnyL_ | hehe |
| 02:15.32 | JohnnyL_ | no errors. |
| 02:15.33 | gnarface | hooray! |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | vague |
| 02:16.42 | JohnnyL_ | opps |
| 02:16.44 | JohnnyL_ | sorry guys. |
| 02:16.55 | JohnnyL_ | i mean, i get no erros when i try it on that mahcine. |
| 02:17.06 | JohnnyL_ | but I bet thats it because i get no errors and it goes through the paces. |
| 02:17.12 | JohnnyL_ | i didn't check at all for MM. |
| 02:17.20 | JohnnyL_ | i have high hopes though. :) |
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| 02:18.13 | gnarface | JohnnyL: also consider the possibility you have the speakers/headphones in the wrong speaker port. *some* creative labs drivers have been known to get surround-sound audio jack port assignments out of order. your green primary output jack may not actually be the one the driver is using for that purpose. |
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| 02:18.48 | JohnnyL_ | gnarface, using it the same as windows. but yes, i've tried that. |
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| 02:20.10 | gnarface | JohnnyL_: okay, but keep in mind that "works in windows" is an utterly meaningless assertion in this case. your linux drivers aren't subjected to the same bugs as the windows ones, and their driver writers aren't privvy to the same OEM specification deviations from the reference model that the windows driver writers are |
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| 02:20.54 | abrotman | well, not always, sometimes the drivers are written by the same folks with the same docs |
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| 02:21.31 | gnarface | abrotman: that's true but not in the case of any of creative labs' hardware, right? |
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| 02:22.14 | gnarface | i also has found that, in cases where it IS true, that doesn't mean they'll have the same bugs either. NVIDIA's offerings for example seem largely distributed with open scorn for linux |
| 02:22.43 | gnarface | ibm does good |
| 02:23.02 | gnarface | ati/amd sometimes do good, but they're spotty and treacherous |
| 02:23.12 | gnarface | intel mostly does good lately |
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| 02:24.07 | mapf | gnarface: nvidia is motherfuckers |
| 02:24.15 | dvs | apple? |
| 02:24.51 | kaosu | Valve has been working on the open-source ATI/Nvidia drivers lately. With Valve releasing their Steam platform for Linux, they have dedicated themselves to working with ATI, Nvidia and Intel to get more work done with the open-source drivers. |
| 02:25.05 | kaosu | So, we should be seeing some major improvements in it over the next 6 months to a year. |
| 02:25.13 | JohnnyL_ | nah thats not it. |
| 02:25.20 | JohnnyL_ | there was only one mm, second from the left. |
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| 02:25.26 | JohnnyL_ | all the others didn't have MM. |
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| 02:26.58 | gnarface | kaosu: yes, i'm excited about that too. valve has somehow managed to engineer a change of heart at nvidia, or so it would seem. the next few months will be very interesting, but i'm starting to wonder whether or not their business plan relies on Ubuntu being the only distribution you can feasibly run Steam on |
| 02:27.08 | JohnnyL_ | "6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist" <-- i upgraded to wheezy. does this still apply? |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | not unless you did some thing silly |
| 02:28.13 | gnarface | kaosu: its worth noting for the record though all those "major improvements" were to *only* the very latest model of cards (600 series) and all earlier model series (even the recent 500's) have a marked equivalent LOSS of framerate with each improvement released for the 600's |
| 02:28.20 | kaosu | gnarface: I don't believe so. They are likely going to make ubuntu the "officially supported" distribution, but in the beta when people give specific distribution-related issue, they optimize for it. |
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| 02:28.46 | kaosu | Valve are good sports when it comes to that. |
| 02:29.22 | kaosu | gnarface: That is too bad. However, I am just thankful a large company is starting somewhere. |
| 02:29.24 | JohnnyL_ | google calls home through firefox. |
| 02:29.33 | kaosu | It is at least a STEP in a better direction. |
| 02:30.06 | JohnnyL_ | abrotman: your response isn't at all clear. |
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| 02:31.26 | abrotman | neither are your questions |
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| 02:43.50 | gnarface | kaosu: yes, i agree. its a step in the right direction, and one i think honestly is overdue. i think these companies have all been essentially "leaving money on the table" with regards to linux gaming and i think its admirable of Valve to step up and take a gamble on changing the status quo. i suspect if they don't totally faceplant, they'll make liars out of the entire rest of the gaming industry's publishers |
| 02:44.57 | un214 | my attitude to Valve is "go ahead and try it" |
| 02:45.37 | kaosu | I agree. They have the backing needed to get ATI/Nvidia on board. So, I am hoping for the best. |
| 02:45.45 | Shoya | my attitude to un214's attitude of Valve is, "who's stopping you, just do it" |
| 02:45.46 | JohnnyL_ | do you guys think this makes sense: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ca0106 ? |
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| 02:49.15 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: which bit? |
| 02:49.32 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: it's the standard style for a alsa module wiki page. |
| 02:49.41 | dvs | heh |
| 02:50.31 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: it's an expanded and wikified version of modinfo snd-ca0106 or something. |
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| 02:50.51 | iceisfun_ | when i apt-search zabbix how can i tell what version of zabbix it will be? |
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| 02:51.16 | nevyn | and building modules is no longer supported by debian (alsa-source was dropped) |
| 02:51.48 | nevyn | !alsa |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:51.57 | nevyn | !alsa-source |
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| 02:52.57 | gnarface | nevyn: maybe module-assistant will help? |
| 02:53.29 | nevyn | gnarface: no. there's no dkms or m-a for out of tree alsa in debian anymore. |
| 02:53.48 | gnarface | rough |
| 02:53.57 | rjsalts | iceisfun_: apt-cache show zabbix-server-mysql |
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| 02:55.08 | nevyn | gnarface: the debian-kernel team got the sads with it. |
| 02:55.10 | nevyn | umm.. |
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| 02:56.09 | iceisfun_ | rjsalts: thanks :) |
| 02:56.49 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: pretend i don't know anything about metellurgy, physics, math.. and just tell me... what the hell is going on? |
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| 02:57.56 | gnarface | JohnnyL_: i can tell you that really simply. "don't use testing or unstable if you want your shit to keep working" |
| 02:58.17 | Shoya | b-but stable is too outdated |
| 02:58.22 | JohnnyL_ | gnarface: it didn't work in stable? another reason to upgrade? |
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| 02:58.30 | gnarface | JohnnyL_: wheezy == testing right now |
| 02:58.48 | JohnnyL_ | wheezy, running youtube atm. |
| 02:58.55 | JohnnyL_ | sinead o conner. |
| 02:59.17 | JohnnyL_ | can't we just plain the non communicative and excuse giving open sores programmers? |
| 02:59.28 | JohnnyL_ | plain=blame |
| 02:59.30 | JohnnyL_ | ha! |
| 02:59.50 | gnarface | JohnnyL_: i blame your choice of soundcard vendor |
| 03:00.06 | nevyn | gnarface: see this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627152#71 |
| 03:00.11 | JohnnyL_ | thats not an exuse! not! |
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| 03:00.31 | nevyn | how did you end up that that page? |
| 03:00.41 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: what is the problem you have. |
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| 03:01.04 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: no sound using a rocketfish 7.1 |
| 03:01.11 | JohnnyL_ | alsa init gives an error. |
| 03:01.19 | nevyn | wtf is rocketfish? |
| 03:01.45 | JohnnyL_ | it's a card for audio. |
| 03:01.46 | gnarface | a company that can't write a linux driver to save their damned lives, apparently |
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| 03:02.04 | dvs | rocketfish is a brand, not a product |
| 03:02.10 | nevyn | oh... right. |
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| 03:02.27 | nevyn | a sticker on a ca0106 soundcard |
| 03:02.30 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 03:02.51 | nevyn | does the kernel recognise the card? cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 03:02.57 | JohnnyL_ | yes |
| 03:03.02 | JohnnyL_ | aplay even plays, no errors. |
| 03:03.05 | JohnnyL_ | just no sound |
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| 03:03.12 | nevyn | did you turn it up? |
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| 03:03.37 | JohnnyL_ | i get parse 1655: unable to open file /usr/share/alsa/init/ca0106 no such file or directory though if I try to alsactl init. |
| 03:03.40 | JohnnyL_ | yes |
| 03:03.53 | JohnnyL_ | through alsamixer and physically the speakers. |
| 03:03.55 | nevyn | what program gives that? |
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| 03:04.06 | JohnnyL_ | i just said. alsactl init |
| 03:04.23 | nevyn | what are you running alsactl for? |
| 03:04.42 | JohnnyL_ | because the price of eggs in europe is almost up 2 quid. |
| 03:06.24 | nevyn | so alsactl isn't something you should be touching it's for the startup and shutdown scripts on debian to do that for you |
| 03:06.32 | JohnnyL_ | oh ok |
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| 03:06.42 | JohnnyL_ | they are broken |
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| 03:06.52 | nevyn | maybe. but unlikely |
| 03:07.33 | nevyn | alsactl init won't do anything without alsactl save having been run first but you shouldn't be managing the card at this level. |
| 03:07.49 | un214 | I had to once a long time ago |
| 03:08.15 | un214 | I found it expedient on that system to disable the auto-save as some program was trashing sound settings |
| 03:08.17 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: can you run alsa-info.sh for me upload the result and send me the url. |
| 03:08.41 | nevyn | un214: and having auto-save and pulse fight over audio config is bad. |
| 03:09.05 | JohnnyL_ | ok, i may get back to that machine in an hour. it's not avail. at the moment |
| 03:09.09 | un214 | well since I didn't have pulse that wasn't the problem |
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| 03:10.54 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn:alsa-info.sh: command not found |
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| 03:16.18 | JohnnyL_ | i desperately need a shower. bbia 1/2 hour. |
| 03:16.43 | sney | !away |
| 03:16.43 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 03:19.16 | niftylettuce_ | anyone here running or know someone that's running a Kickstarter/Indiegogo project? |
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| 03:30.50 | dvs | bvs: Imposter! |
| 03:32.06 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: wget http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh |
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| 03:36.02 | JohnnyL_ | ah ok thanks. |
| 03:37.49 | JohnnyL_ | going to the rocketfish machine now. |
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| 03:41.37 | JohnnyL | nevyn: http://pastie.org/5524107 |
| 03:42.09 | JohnnyL | back on the realtek in 5 mins. |
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| 03:42.51 | meows | hi |
| 03:43.00 | meows | someone is familiar with those sado Errors? |
| 03:43.05 | meows | http://pastebin.com/06vNitQR |
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| 03:45.31 | nevyn | JohnnyL: aplay -D pulse somewavfile |
| 03:46.15 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: have to try it later. |
| 03:46.21 | JohnnyL_ | that machine is no longer available. |
| 03:46.30 | nevyn | you can't ssh to it? |
| 03:46.39 | nevyn | actually that won't work. |
| 03:46.46 | JohnnyL_ | i have tried aplay somewavfile, it runs but there is no sound. |
| 03:47.01 | nevyn | that's not the command I specified. |
| 03:47.04 | JohnnyL_ | yeah i know. |
| 03:47.15 | JohnnyL_ | i'm hoping that yours works. |
| 03:47.55 | nevyn | I suspect the general solution is to configure your system to work with pulse correctly. |
| 03:47.58 | nevyn | !pulse |
| 03:47.58 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:48.38 | nevyn | the critical part is to write a /etc/asound.conf that points default.!pcm at the pulse plugin |
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| 03:50.08 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: ^^ |
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| 03:50.44 | positr0n | hey are there any iptables legends in here ? |
| 03:51.03 | positr0n | specifically related to getting pptpd all set up nicely with multiple external ip's |
| 03:51.04 | positr0n | :) |
| 03:51.10 | abrotman | positr0n: #netfilter, good luck |
| 03:51.26 | JohnnyL_ | playing wav fgile, etc etc, still no sound. |
| 03:51.27 | positr0n | heh |
| 03:51.36 | JohnnyL_ | aplay -D pulse wavefilehere.wav |
| 03:51.44 | JohnnyL_ | fgile=file |
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| 03:54.29 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: i have no idea what you mean. |
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| 03:54.51 | LVLAaron | So, if I installed a virtual machine (debian squeeze) on a single cpu vm.... and later added cpu's.... and uname -r gives me 2.6.32-5-amd64 - Do I need to install a different kernel? |
| 03:54.56 | LVLAaron | to use the other cpus? |
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| 03:55.59 | zykotick9 | LVLAaron: try "uname -a" and look for SMP |
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| 03:56.25 | LVLAaron | says -amd64 #1 SMP |
| 03:56.33 | zykotick9 | LVLAaron: all good then :) |
| 03:56.46 | LVLAaron | hrm. seems like mysql and others aren't really using second cpu |
| 03:56.49 | JohnnyL_ | ha! |
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| 03:57.15 | JohnnyL_ | you can access it here: <sputter patang stall> |
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| 03:58.15 | LVLAaron | can I somehow see if a process is using smp? |
| 03:58.18 | zykotick9 | LVLAaron: got htop installed? that shows cpu for each core. |
| 03:58.25 | LVLAaron | yes |
| 03:58.50 | zykotick9 | s/cpu/cpu usage/ |
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| 03:59.33 | LVLAaron | is that something I should be typing while in htop? |
| 03:59.51 | LtL | top does too, press 1 |
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| 04:00.16 | LVLAaron | with either I can clearly see that both cpu's are being used. |
| 04:00.24 | LVLAaron | but how can i tell if mysql is using both of them? |
| 04:00.29 | JohnnyL_ | pulse if for network sounds or getting sound to work in general |
| 04:00.35 | JohnnyL_ | how does my config look? |
| 04:00.42 | JohnnyL_ | ? |
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| 04:01.40 | zykotick9 | LtL: oh my, that's handy! i had no idea, good ol' top |
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| 04:01.58 | sylar | Depends: gcj-jre-headless but it is not going to be installed |
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| 04:03.33 | JohnnyL_ | that machine is rnunign pulse audio. |
| 04:03.35 | JohnnyL_ | running |
| 04:03.43 | nevyn | yes |
| 04:03.50 | nevyn | that's what I said. |
| 04:04.05 | JohnnyL_ | aplay -D pulse /usr/share/sounds/purple/alert.wav ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 04:04.07 | nevyn | but just because pulse is running doesn't mean it's configured correctly |
| 04:04.12 | JohnnyL_ | ok |
| 04:04.19 | nevyn | pactl stat ? |
| 04:04.35 | JohnnyL_ | if i take out -D pulse it work (not knowing if it's playing sounds) |
| 04:04.55 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: connection refused. |
| 04:05.13 | nevyn | are you on the console? |
| 04:05.22 | nevyn | or logged in as the same user as is on the console? |
| 04:05.31 | JohnnyL_ | ssh as root |
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| 04:07.55 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: ^ |
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| 04:08.21 | nevyn | yeah root can't access the users pulse daemon |
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| 04:09.22 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5524465 |
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| 04:18.23 | JohnnyL_ | oh well we tried |
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| 04:19.37 | JohnnyL_ | ;( |
| 04:20.02 | jagginess | JohnnyL, the documentation on the site, describes what sinks are.. |
| 04:20.13 | jagginess | JohnnyL, the sink you set isn't for a network |
| 04:22.03 | JohnnyL_ | huh? |
| 04:22.20 | jagginess | "<JohnnyL_> pulse if for network sounds or getting sound to work in general" |
| 04:22.25 | jagginess | you said "network" |
| 04:22.27 | jagginess | :p |
| 04:22.52 | jagginess | JohnnyL, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User |
| 04:23.06 | jagginess | JohnDoh, be sure to know what ls -la /dev/snd says |
| 04:23.26 | jagginess | JohnDoh, (consolekit? -- it's consolekit with wheezy, i forget for previous) |
| 04:23.27 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: for getting sound to work normally |
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| 04:24.56 | jagginess | I don't know all the login mechanics.. but X11 has pulseaudio stuff built with it.. I guess X11 calls pulseaudio on behalf of a user login.. but I know the pulseaudio daemon has to start for the user (unless the superuser disabled this default) |
| 04:25.30 | jagginess | pulseaudio -nC <enter> << if that works, then it means the pulseaudio daemon you're able to log into it |
| 04:25.56 | jagginess | (its funny that it's the same binary i think for the listening daemon) |
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| 04:26.19 | jagginess | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/CLI << |
| 04:26.32 | jagginess | in the documentation, "sink" means target |
| 04:26.44 | JohnnyL_ | pulseaudio -nC E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
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| 04:27.34 | jagginess | johndoe, you should be able to get a >>> prompt, no? |
| 04:28.10 | jagginess | JohnnyL, list-modules should say stuff.. |
| 04:28.17 | JohnnyL_ | no |
| 04:28.28 | JohnnyL_ | what you see is what i get |
| 04:29.01 | jagginess | JohnnyL, ps aux|grep pulseaudio , says it's running as "root" or "username" ? |
| 04:29.05 | JohnnyL_ | python is installed. |
| 04:29.58 | JohnnyL_ | username is running /usr/bin/pulseaudio and root is running pulseaudio -nC |
| 04:30.24 | jagginess | why are you trying with root ? |
| 04:30.26 | jagginess | :/ |
| 04:32.16 | JohnnyL_ | i killed the root pulseaudio -nC |
| 04:32.43 | JohnnyL_ | try to run with username pulseaudio --nC gives the main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 04:32.57 | JohnnyL_ | Should I install g++ and rewrite this module? |
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| 04:33.35 | homes | raises eyebrow |
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| 04:33.57 | jagginess | JohnnyL, it's one "-" |
| 04:34.22 | rryoumaa | what are the best free video drivers in debian? |
| 04:34.46 | homes | intel has served me well |
| 04:34.57 | JohnnyL_ | rryoumaa: the ones that take up the least amount of time to debug. |
| 04:35.08 | rryoumaa | and those are? |
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| 04:35.27 | rryoumaa | homes: intel means onboard graphics? |
| 04:35.32 | JohnnyL_ | jagginess: yes that too |
| 04:35.38 | jagginess | rryoumaa, all linuxes use the same.. until ubuntu starts showing off some new tinkering drivers with nvidia -- but this would spread to all other linuxes too.. i'm expecting in the next couple months.. cuse video drivers for linux still suck |
| 04:35.39 | JohnnyL_ | irc typo |
| 04:35.43 | homes | yip |
| 04:35.52 | JohnnyL_ | yip? |
| 04:36.04 | homes | yes* |
| 04:36.06 | JohnnyL_ | are you a hound with tail wagging? |
| 04:36.09 | jagginess | JohnnyL_, something is very wrong, you have to be able to get a prompt.. |
| 04:36.11 | homes | correct* |
| 04:36.25 | homes | gofuckyourselfaffirmative* |
| 04:36.44 | jagginess | !ops homes |
| 04:36.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jagginess complains about: homes |
| 04:36.51 | JohnnyL_ | pulseaudio is actually already running as username. |
| 04:37.19 | rryoumaa | i have not bought a video card yet, and i will choose with debian-friendly (or linux-friendly i guess if it doesn't matter) as a high priority. never again blobs. |
| 04:37.29 | JohnnyL_ | "I want you to take a step back, AND LITERALLY FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!" -Les Grossman. |
| 04:37.32 | jagginess | JohnnyL_, yeah.. but you should be able to get to the prompt with another pulseaudio command, (maybe it's because it was a non-debian system i was using, but it shouldn't be the case) |
| 04:37.56 | JohnnyL_ | jagginess: thats a python prompt? |
| 04:38.23 | jagginess | rryoumaa, intel drivers are supported by intel actually (they sponsor code into the kernel.. so anything with an gma built-in intel gfx chip is no problem) |
| 04:38.36 | rryoumaa | that sounds good |
| 04:38.43 | mentor | Everyone is going to be nice now |
| 04:38.45 | sney | rryoumaa: you might be out of luck for an actual "card" if you want 3d. your best bet would be a recent-ish AMD card that's supported by radeon, though you still need the firmware for it to work fully |
| 04:39.06 | JohnnyL_ | may I can give this problem to my a college teacher who gave syntax tests on at&t system v machine. |
| 04:39.07 | rryoumaa | what's gma? is hd-x000 gma? |
| 04:39.19 | jagginess | yeah.. the latest intel driver supports opengl pretty well..(even the latest gfx chips) |
| 04:39.35 | sney | I think everything intel is currently selling is under the GMA umbrella |
| 04:39.38 | JohnnyL_ | wags tail. |
| 04:39.45 | JohnnyL_ | lap lap |
| 04:39.50 | jagginess | rryoumaa, it's an intel gfx hardware built pretty much on the same "die" as the main processor .. reduces cost of production.. |
| 04:39.59 | sney | !tell JohnnyL_ about offtopic |
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| 04:40.09 | jagginess | rryoumaa, it's gma or something like that.. |
| 04:40.09 | homes | jagginess: is it? |
| 04:40.35 | homes | jagginess: i would have thought it lived in the north bridge |
| 04:41.32 | rryoumaa | sney: firmware is a philosophical issue? or a practical issue? |
| 04:41.56 | rryoumaa | homes: i think the new ones are on the chip itself, but that's all i know about it |
| 04:41.57 | jagginess | homes, well not the one i got.. they probably refer to it as gmahd instead.. there's always convulting acronyms. |
| 04:42.03 | mentor | rryoumaa: Yes. :) |
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| 04:42.10 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: root can't write to a users pa daemon by default. |
| 04:42.14 | sney | rryoumaa: mostly philosophical I guess. the firmware is still packaged, but it's a separate binary component |
| 04:42.18 | homes | jagginess: certainly with AMD APUs, though perhaps intel has started/will start doing it, it's a good idea |
| 04:42.21 | JohnnyL_ | sney: : is 'yip' offtopic? |
| 04:42.29 | nevyn | you can probably make it happen by messing with permissions on the socket and stuff but it's bad. |
| 04:42.45 | jagginess | homes, the system i have is at least 6+ months that has it.. so i guess its been out for some time. |
| 04:42.52 | sney | JohnnyL_: the solution to offtopic is never "more offtopic" |
| 04:42.58 | rryoumaa | if it's required as a package in non-free, then it's a practical issue because then it could stop being supported right? |
| 04:42.59 | mentor | Since Ivy Bridge, graphics cores have been on die with Intel? |
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| 04:43.19 | homes | non-free firmware is not a philosophical issue, all of the freedoms defined for free software are solidly granted in practical considerations |
| 04:43.24 | mentor | JohnnyL_: Start behaving please. |
| 04:44.05 | mentor | homes: Perhaps we can avoid starting the religious wars too |
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| 04:44.08 | JohnnyL_ | mentor: oh i'm sorry, was i talking to you? do i know you? |
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| 04:44.20 | homes | mentor: this is debian, we have DFSG to uphold. |
| 04:44.47 | JohnnyL_ | i'd like to support debian |
| 04:44.53 | sney | rryoumaa: as long as the binary blobs are around, they don't really EOL cards the way fglrx does. you'll lose support eventually due to developers not having the hardware anymore but it's a much longer process. |
| 04:44.57 | JohnnyL_ | and I'mbut i'm wondering why this soundcard is so non trivial? |
| 04:44.59 | homes | item 1 in the debian social contract..;P |
| 04:45.31 | sney | JohnnyL_ and homes, this is a support channel. if it's not support, it doesn't go in here. longer software freedom discussions can - and often do - take place in #debian-offtopic |
| 04:45.47 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: the linux audio stack is not trivial. your error is the equivilent of xclock doesn't work. |
| 04:45.56 | JohnnyL_ | sney: i had thought that yip might have been a version of YaST. |
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| 04:46.16 | JohnnyL_ | but then i just thought it was 'doggy' and had to ask. |
| 04:46.17 | homes | non-free blobs are a support problem. they are hard to support. we should persuade people away from them at every option |
| 04:46.23 | jagginess | JohnnyL_, there's a null device module i think, even if you don't have a soundcard, you should be able to get the pulseaudio prompt |
| 04:46.46 | homes | i recall a time when most of #debian chatter was either adobe flash or nvidia binary driver malfunctions |
| 04:46.51 | rryoumaa | homes: and that includes firmware? i don't get why firmware needs support? |
| 04:46.57 | JohnnyL_ | jagginess: bizzare. |
| 04:47.05 | sney | right, but 'apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree' is a fart in a bag compared to anything third party. |
| 04:47.23 | sney | the only time it's an issue is when someone needs a hand enabling non-free. |
| 04:47.45 | JohnnyL_ | I am not far off base in saying that these c language errors may require fixing something and recompiling it. |
| 04:47.56 | JohnnyL_ | wowzers |
| 04:48.03 | JohnnyL_ | and I wanted to sketch today. |
| 04:48.09 | JohnnyL_ | guess thats off my schedule. |
| 04:48.14 | wols | you're very far off |
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| 04:49.10 | JohnnyL_ | oh interesting.. if i typ pulseaudio -v , it gives more info. |
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| 04:49.32 | rryoumaa | eh i still don't get why firmware has to be in a package (isn't it int he card itself?) but i will avoid it if people here say to avoid it |
| 04:50.22 | mentor | rryoumaa: Often devices do not have the firmware in them, or better firmware has been made available |
| 04:50.49 | rryoumaa | and then xorg might have compatibility issues with it? |
| 04:50.53 | rryoumaa | i guess that makes sense |
| 04:51.02 | mentor | The first issue is greater |
| 04:51.26 | JohnnyL_ | should i kill the pulseaudio running? |
| 04:51.39 | sney | rryoumaa: anyway, since AMD's graphics division contributes to the freedesktop radeon driver, maybe at some point they'll open up the firmware part as well. |
| 04:51.44 | sney | it happened with atheros, after all |
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| 04:52.05 | homes | i do find my atheros card quite nice to use :) |
| 04:52.19 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: echo" autospawn=false" >> ~user/.pulse/client.conf && pulseaudio -k |
| 04:52.27 | wols | sney: mine still needs firmware. at least one of mine |
| 04:52.53 | sney | yeah there's a couple 802.11n usb dongles that use it I think. but we're a long way from the days of madwifi |
| 04:53.22 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: killing pulse is harder than it initially looks as autospawn defaults to true. |
| 04:53.46 | mentor | I was under the impression that all the Intel wireless cards used firmware |
| 04:54.05 | sney | mentor: intel ones do, yes |
| 04:54.17 | zykotick9 | my Atheros AR9285 168c:002b worked out of the box on wheezy, with netinstall using WPA2 :) |
| 04:56.29 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: http://pastie.org/5524933 |
| 04:57.26 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: export DISPLAY=:0 then pactl stat |
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| 04:58.30 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: doesn't that defeat the security of my x display? |
| 04:58.42 | nevyn | no. |
| 04:59.08 | nevyn | DISPLAY=:0 only works if you have a mit cookie to attach to it which if you're the logged in user you do. |
| 04:59.57 | JohnnyL_ | same pulse error pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 05:00.07 | JohnnyL_ | when trying pulseaudio -nC |
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| 05:00.15 | JohnnyL_ | pactl stat refused all around. |
| 05:00.21 | JohnnyL_ | don't you people get sick of doing this? |
| 05:00.28 | JohnnyL_ | I mean is this how you like normal life? |
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| 05:01.51 | nevyn | so turn of autospawn and just kill it with normal kill |
| 05:01.52 | sney | the entire personal computer audio framework needs to be thrown out and replaced |
| 05:02.05 | nevyn | sney: yes with pulse ;) |
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| 05:02.18 | sney | but when you have decent practice troubleshooting, none of this is ever a really big deal |
| 05:02.51 | nevyn | but it can be tricky to troubleshoot and it's easier to determine that the drivers are working then add pulse later. |
| 05:03.14 | JohnnyL_ | yes, finally it works. |
| 05:03.17 | JohnnyL_ | i get the pulse audio prompt. |
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| 05:03.42 | nevyn | did you listen to a word I said? |
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| 05:03.50 | sney | nevyn: no all of it. sound has been a consistent pain in the ass across the 3 (categories of) operating systems that I've spent any extended time using. throw it all out and start over. |
| 05:04.17 | nevyn | it's seriously no worse than video imho |
| 05:04.28 | nevyn | well.. mostly. ok it's worse. |
| 05:04.32 | sney | haha |
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| 05:04.43 | sney | X is also due for replacement, but generally video is ok otherwise |
| 05:04.52 | sney | printing is the other one that's horrible from the ground up |
| 05:04.52 | nevyn | likes X |
| 05:05.02 | nevyn | oh printing. is worse than both. |
| 05:05.17 | nevyn | anything to do with the real world is pretty horrible |
| 05:05.18 | failor | hey guys, sorry for such kinda noob question and my english, i used to add manually built module to dkms and everything was ok, but now i don't need it and i guess i removed it in some wrong manner so now my modinfo still shows wrong path to that dkms module instead of kernel's default one, any tips? |
| 05:05.45 | nevyn | failor: dkms will have built and installed a package for the additional modules? |
| 05:06.03 | failor | nevyn, i did it myself looking at manuals |
| 05:06.12 | nevyn | is somewhat terrified. |
| 05:06.14 | nevyn | which manuals? |
| 05:06.23 | JohnnyL_ | pactl stat still fails on the machine. |
| 05:06.28 | failor | can't remember which ones unfortunately but it was working flawlessly |
| 05:06.39 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: did you kill pulseaudio ? |
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| 05:06.43 | JohnnyL_ | it's a query as to why normaly people would learn unix programs by reading man pages in order. |
| 05:06.44 | nevyn | is the daemon still running? |
| 05:06.59 | JohnnyL_ | nevyn: yes, and I get the pulseaudio python type prompt. |
| 05:07.07 | nevyn | wtf? |
| 05:07.22 | nevyn | kill pa make it die. then try aplay |
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| 05:07.43 | JohnnyL_ | why kill it? |
| 05:07.45 | nevyn | ignore pactl and pulseaudio completely for now |
| 05:08.25 | nevyn | JohnnyL_: because it's making stuff more complex than required right this second |
| 05:10.27 | failor | seems like `dkms remove thatonemodule --all` should fix it? |
| 05:12.32 | failor | aha now it was removed completely finally so there is no path no nonexistant module but now system can't c it at all while it actually exists as a part of "stock" kernel modules |
| 05:13.33 | nevyn | depmod -a |
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| 05:14.18 | failor | nevyn, yeah, but thanks for the tip |
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| 05:15.29 | JohnnyL_ | i'll probably just install windows on that machine. |
| 05:15.33 | JohnnyL_ | It's locking up now. |
| 05:15.37 | JohnnyL_ | the machine just freezes. |
| 05:15.55 | JohnnyL_ | i didn't want to go that route. but the choicer is no longer there. |
| 05:16.29 | JohnnyL_ | choice |
| 05:17.15 | JohnnyL_ | wow |
| 05:17.31 | JohnnyL_ | ever since I exported the display:0 the machine locks |
| 05:17.33 | JohnnyL_ | didn't do that before. |
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| 05:19.07 | gnarface | the impatient/unobservant often mistake slow response times and high I/O latencies for "the machine locks" |
| 05:19.36 | JohnnyL_ | the display on that machine is locked, but i can login to it. |
| 05:20.01 | JohnnyL_ | who would you trust with power? |
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| 05:21.26 | JohnnyL_ | hm |
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| 05:22.52 | JohnnyL_ | anyway, maybe the machine needs diagnostics. |
| 05:23.03 | JohnnyL_ | can you guys recommend a good live cd to test mem/cpu/etc? |
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| 05:26.33 | JohnnyL_ | interesting traffic: 00:25:49.698525 IP6 fe80::218:f8ff:fe0a:435e.mdns > ff02::fb.mdns: 0 PTR (QM)? 4 |
| 05:28.32 | gnarface | !livecd |
| 05:28.32 | dpkg | A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 05:37.32 | JohnnyL_ | memtest appears to work |
| 05:38.27 | JohnnyL_ | oh well, it could be a crappy machine. but if it helps, thanks for the linux help! |
| 05:38.43 | bubull3 | lol poor Johnny |
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| 05:41.54 | bubull3 | <JohnnyL_> ever since I exported the display:0 the machine locks |
| 05:41.55 | bubull3 | :) |
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| 07:26.40 | jackbrownhf | hi there |
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| 07:31.55 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Hello I am Jack Brown and I am here to assist you. How may I help you? |
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| 07:33.05 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: :) I have a question, is Debian a rolling distro? It means that once installed it will be updated always and I will never had need to switch to a new version (ex 6 then format intsall 7 etc.) ? |
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| 07:34.59 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: If you ever need to upgrade you can simply upgrade the repos to that of a later version of debian and then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". If you need to update your software, etc but leave your distro version as it is you should just simply run "apt-get update". |
| 07:35.24 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: So I will never need to format |
| 07:35.33 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: then reinstall a new version correct ? |
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| 07:35.38 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: No never. |
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| 07:36.09 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: cool, actually which is the last kernel supported by Debian ? |
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| 07:36.17 | KittyGirl | Oh dist-upgrade does is adds a later kernel, later files, etc. It would basically make Debian 6 look like Debian 7 without replacing it. |
| 07:36.28 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: 3.2.0 |
| 07:37.08 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: which distro support kernel 3.5+ ? |
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| 07:37.42 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: I have no idea but the best option would be to wait for Debian to start supporting it. |
| 07:37.47 | Lis | uhm i just installed php5 and apache2 on debian testing. Then I installed getsimple cms but somehow it does not process the whole output in the frontend... does someone know why? I enabled display_errors in the php.ini but it does not show any output, neither in the logs or the page |
| 07:38.21 | Lis | the same version worked on another machine... |
| 07:38.22 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: which relationship does Linux Debian has with Linux Mint Debian? |
| 07:38.35 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Linux Mint is based on Debian. |
| 07:38.54 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: so it's basically the same as debian but with some customizations ? |
| 07:38.57 | KittyGirl | Linux Mint is basically just a modified version of Debian. Ubuntu is also a modified version of Debian. |
| 07:39.02 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Yes correct. |
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| 07:39.24 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: will I have support here if I'll install Mint Debian ? |
| 07:39.46 | KittyGirl | But they sometimes are soo modded you couldn't really call then Debian. I think Ubuntu works differently to Debian but has the same commands. |
| 07:40.07 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: No because a bug that's in Mint may not be in Debian on it's own. |
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| 07:41.10 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 07:41.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 07:41.22 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: ok thanks |
| 07:41.37 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: I think they have different repos, package maintainers, etc. Software on Mint could have a bug while the same software on Debian wont have that bug meaning it would be invalid for us to support you with Mint. |
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| 07:41.46 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: same repos |
| 07:42.09 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Again tho it is still modded. |
| 07:42.13 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: if you check their online documentation, they claim to be 100% compatible with Debian |
| 07:42.20 | jeredepp | hello everyone, anybody knows the standardlocation for placing mib files and including them in SNMP? |
| 07:42.26 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: But they're not Debian. |
| 07:42.28 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: then why are they mint? |
| 07:42.45 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: anyway if I'll have more support here i'll probably install Debian |
| 07:43.01 | ompaul | !netinstall |
| 07:43.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 07:43.04 | KittyGirl | 100% compability doesn't make then Debian, It doesn't even make them a Debian base even tho they are. |
| 07:43.11 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: KittyGirl how har is once installed (I mean Debian) set it look as Mint ? I love the way it looks |
| 07:43.29 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: no clue, why, I don't run mint |
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| 07:43.44 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: how can i chose DE with debian ? |
| 07:43.49 | ompaul | many |
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| 07:43.51 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: *choose |
| 07:43.54 | KittyGirl | Puppy linux for example is very compatible with Debian packages cause the file system is soo similar to that of Debian but it's not Debian nor is it a Debian based nor does it has anything to do with Debian. |
| 07:44.08 | KittyGirl | No going to be late! |
| 07:44.09 | KittyGirl | brb |
| 07:44.13 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: get the netinst item, it will allow you choose different options |
| 07:44.22 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: yes but puppy linux is a basic distro very basic |
| 07:44.31 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: ok I'll think about it |
| 07:44.45 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: I've still run a lot of Debian software fine on it. |
| 07:44.47 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: is that true that Debian is faster than Ubuntu ? |
| 07:44.53 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: yes. |
| 07:44.54 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: |
| 07:44.55 | KittyGirl | very true |
| 07:44.59 | ompaul | what does faster mean |
| 07:45.14 | KittyGirl | Hell yes cause Ubuntu has a lot more by default pre installed onto it than Debian. |
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| 07:45.30 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: ompaul could anyone explain me why ?(I tried the mint debian live CD and seems really faster than ubuntu installed on my PC) |
| 07:45.42 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Depending on your computer the bloatedness tends to slow it down. |
| 07:45.42 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: no they are offtopic |
| 07:46.08 | jackbrownhf | ?? |
| 07:46.12 | ompaul | !offtopic |
| 07:46.12 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 07:46.15 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: #debian-offtopic |
| 07:46.19 | jackbrownhf | I just want to know why Debian is faster than ubuntu |
| 07:46.24 | ompaul | no it is not for their either |
| 07:46.24 | KittyGirl | It has the same set of users as here. |
| 07:46.44 | ompaul | no it has a subset not a complete subset of either |
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| 07:46.49 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: I answered your qustion. |
| 07:46.53 | jackbrownhf | ok |
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| 07:47.04 | KittyGirl | It's what's preinstalled into Ubuntu. |
| 07:47.24 | KittyGirl | You have unity, gnome, etc, etc, etc. |
| 07:47.29 | jeredepp | Does anybody know where SNMP gets the mibs from? |
| 07:47.33 | ompaul | KittyGirl: please let it go - you are offtopic |
| 07:47.35 | KittyGirl | Debian has by default... a cli |
| 07:47.39 | nunne | Anyone have experience using Hp SmartArray B120i? (I'm guessing this is software raid since it needs a driver?). Should I just disable smartarray and use mdraid.. Or is it worth trying to get the driver to work in debian form the redhat packages HP provides? Or maybe just loading dmraid with the installer will work to recognize the array? |
| 07:47.55 | KittyGirl | and gives you a choice of what you want to install onto it. |
| 07:48.22 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: I tend to use cli and no X and my comp whizes through the air! |
| 07:48.29 | ompaul | KittyGirl: please drop it |
| 07:48.39 | ompaul | jeredepp: http://www.paessler.com/knowledgebase/en/topic/653-how-do-snmp-mibs-and-oids-work |
| 07:48.53 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: you don't use X interface ? really ? |
| 07:49.04 | jeredepp | nunne: in my experience software raids are a pain in the ass, i'd stick with the expensive solution. I had bad problems with the bootloader |
| 07:49.55 | nunne | jeredepp: i have no problems with using software raid. but if the hp smart array will give me performance gains im interested.. or if it's just a marketing ploy and it's regular software raid |
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| 07:50.06 | jeredepp | ompaul: thanks, i know that, but where can i import mibs and substitute them to use something like snmpwalk -v 2c -m appleairportname |
| 07:51.05 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Yes. |
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| 07:51.13 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: PM me this isn't suitable here. |
| 07:51.33 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: thanks |
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| 07:51.41 | ompaul | jeredepp: http://wiki.debian.org/SNMP |
| 07:51.50 | KittyGirl | ompaul: Hello I am Jonnathan Drinkwater and I am your assistant for the day, how may I help you? |
| 07:51.59 | jeredepp | nunne: i didn't feel much improvement compared to a scsi HW raid. And as i said i had nasty problems after i restarted the machine, so i guess i jsut had bad experiences in a production enviroment, and keep my hands off it for now |
| 07:52.13 | ompaul | KittyGirl: you could go to class |
| 07:52.30 | KittyGirl | ompaul: Go to class?! O.o It's 7am. :o |
| 07:52.35 | ompaul | its not |
| 07:52.39 | ompaul | its 7:52 |
| 07:52.46 | nunne | jeredepp: I had some bad experiences with mdraid in the past. but butter experience with dmraid.. even though i guess they are quite similar :P |
| 07:52.47 | KittyGirl | okies 8am then |
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| 07:58.40 | jeredepp | ompaul: hmmm... i don't get it. i got a mibfile from apple in /usr/share/blablabla and somewhere i would need to config that AppleSNMPName is the mibfile applesnmpfile |
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| 07:59.27 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Is Linux even supported by Apple? O.o |
| 07:59.39 | KittyGirl | Support cup? Oh look! It's empty. :( |
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| 08:02.13 | ompaul | jeredepp: I never got into it like that |
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| 08:54.46 | neon__ | I want en_US keyboard, and I get USA in gnome. How to fix this? |
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| 08:56.32 | colegatron | hi ppl |
| 08:56.53 | pmo_ | hi |
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| 08:57.57 | colegatron | after a coupe of years happy with ubuntu I am facing lots of troubles because I've tried every window manager, extra an so I've found interesting. The last wm which I was happy with was cinnamon, but gnome shell 3 is nice with their extensions. |
| 08:58.21 | ectospasm | colegatron: are you building up to a question? |
| 08:58.32 | colegatron | since I am just trying to upgrade the ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 and it is giving me lots of problems I'm thinking to go to debian |
| 08:58.35 | colegatron | ectospasm, yes |
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| 08:59.15 | colegatron | the question is : will the /home/user backup will work without problems (configs etc) in a fresh debian? |
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| 08:59.31 | ectospasm | that depends |
| 08:59.39 | colegatron | I would like to migrate to debian 6.4 with gnome shell3 but I do not want to loose all my configs |
| 08:59.49 | colegatron | ectospasm, what depends on? |
| 09:00.32 | ectospasm | It depends on how much your existing configuration depends on versions in Ubuntu, since they're not likely to match what's in squeeze. |
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| 09:01.04 | ectospasm | colegatron: in my opinion I think that's too big of a jump for you to expect everything to work without any change. |
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| 09:01.43 | petemc | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 09:01.49 | colegatron | ectospasm, not without any change, but at least do not loose the major part of the configs |
| 09:01.59 | ectospasm | colegatron: you used the word migration, and that's a good word for it... I'd document every feature you need from the Ubuntu machine, and figure out how to recreate them in squeeze with GNOME3, knowing that it could be vastly different. |
| 09:02.16 | ectospasm | ...even for the core features |
| 09:02.31 | ectospasm | GNOME3 has been in quite a state of flux since its release |
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| 09:02.51 | colegatron | sorry for my english, but what is 'quite a state of flux' ? |
| 09:03.06 | bniels | it changed a lot |
| 09:03.11 | ectospasm | ...and I don't know if the version that ships with squeeze will be compatible with whatever version is in the version of Ubuntu you have. |
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| 09:03.38 | dmbaturin | petemc: Hhm, no pre-woody images? |
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| 09:03.49 | ectospasm | bniels: s/it changed/it's changing/ |
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| 09:04.57 | colegatron | then perhaps it is more interesting to try to upgrade to 12.04 and with a better plan do the migration in a near future |
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| 09:06.17 | ectospasm | colegatron: actually, since it's so drastic, you might be better off just reconfiguring from scratch. |
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| 09:06.35 | petemc | dmbaturin: you can probably find them by googling for bo.iso, hamm.iso etc |
| 09:06.35 | ectospasm | ...far less headache that way |
| 09:06.42 | pmo_ | is there some automatic tool to compare /etc / config files against a vanillia setup ? i suppose the only way is to build, install a vanillia dist, and then diff :-/ |
| 09:07.08 | pmo_ | checksum could help maybe |
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| 09:07.21 | colegatron | ectospasm, .... ok. one more question: does debian 6.04 includes gnome shell 3 by default? |
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| 09:07.34 | dmbaturin | petemc: Thanks for the hint, will try. |
| 09:07.48 | ectospasm | pmo_: yeah, there ain't no such thing as a baseline vanilla setup, because you need to specify what packages are installed, and that's hardly every going to be exactly the same on any system |
| 09:08.01 | ectospasm | colegatron: I don't know, I use sid (-; |
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| 09:08.59 | ectospasm | colegatron: doesn't look like it (a search of "gnome" on packages.debian.org shows GNOME 2.30+7) |
| 09:09.02 | pmo_ | ectospasm, no, but i think you have checksum of all files installed, hence a good start, would be to figure out, what has changed.. |
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| 09:10.15 | ectospasm | pmo_: you can query apt to determine the sums of the config files that ship... if you still have the .debs in the cache, it may even be easier. |
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| 09:13.52 | colegatron | ectospasm, tnx ... I am going to reinstall everything from scratch on debian 6.04 |
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| 09:14.29 | DotHack | anyone using samba from squeeze as fileserver with AD? |
| 09:15.04 | ectospasm | colegatron: yeah, I don't know where you got the idea that you could just install Debian, preserving your Ubuntu config... it's possible, but IMO not worth the headache |
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| 09:16.54 | colegatron | I do not want to preserve system config, but my user personal settings. but I will go straight anyway and reinstall debian+gnome shell 3 |
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| 09:18.12 | pmo_ | colegatron, check out if that could help, figure out, what you may have change on your config files |
| 09:18.17 | pmo_ | colegatron, dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' '*' | awk 'OFS=" "{print $2,$1}' | md5sum -c 2>/dev/null | awk -F': ' '$2 !~ /OK/{print $1}' |
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| 09:19.27 | colegatron | pmo, thank you, but as said I went straight, I'm just booting debian for a clean install :) |
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| 09:20.11 | nunne | i have multiple partitions on software raid md0, md1 and md2. replacing a disk is it possible to rebuild all at once? or do I first have to parition the disk correctly using fdisk? |
| 09:21.19 | themill | or you can use debsums |
| 09:21.24 | DotHack | nunne, try googling for mdadm replace disk |
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| 09:21.42 | DotHack | nunne, you will have to fail the disk |
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| 09:22.45 | pmo_ | nunne, mdX will make use of the disk you replace, i mean all of your md partitions ? |
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| 09:23.37 | tgs3 | hello |
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| 09:24.05 | tgs3 | debian testing is horse crap, because even gnome3 does not work, gnome 2 does not start up and icewm can not move windows |
| 09:24.28 | ewook | Well, it's ... testing :p. |
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| 09:24.31 | themill | tgs3: well gnome2 is not in testing so that's a bad start. |
| 09:24.35 | tgs3 | during waiting for debian testing to stop being horseshit, is there any other easy to use intuitive UI that *works* on debian? |
| 09:24.43 | gnarface | good thing you get a full refund |
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| 09:24.52 | ewook | gnarface: touché ;) |
| 09:25.32 | ToApolytoXaos | tgs3: nobody's forcing you to keep our horse...you can keep its shit though for souvenir! |
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| 09:25.36 | nunne | DotHack: thanks alot. I googled earlier but couldn't find exactly what i was looking for.. but googled what you said and found it instantly :P |
| 09:26.22 | colegatron | mmm first problem with the deb install :) wireless config asks for 'wep' password, but network uses 'wpa2'. if i enter the correct key (expecting debian tries other protocols), it says the password is wrong |
| 09:26.24 | colegatron | ... :( |
| 09:26.34 | themill | tgs3: kde works just fine. A lot of people are liking xfce or gnome3 with a few extensions. |
| 09:26.58 | boudiccas | tgs3: or lxde works well |
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| 09:27.04 | pmo_ | DotHack, md is pretty good, i use it in a crazy setup, and so far not much trouble, except i lose above 10% perf with lvm over mdadm |
| 09:27.38 | tgs3 | themill: aptitude install kde-full shown an uhm, horse-, load of unresolved dependencie |
| 09:28.07 | ToApolytoXaos | boudiccas: actually there's a bug that's crashing your entire system if it happens to use an old nvidia card with nouveau driver. as soon as you open a flash video, it flickers the screen and freezes the entire OS while consuming entire RAM in no time! |
| 09:28.26 | ToApolytoXaos | it happened AGAIN last night and i had to restart to enter xfce4 to work properly :/ |
| 09:29.26 | themill | tgs3: then you've got a very screwed up installation and it wouldn't surprise me that you've got a non-working gnome too. When was the last time you dist-upgraded? |
| 09:29.42 | boudiccas | ToApolytoXaos: i use the nouevau driver but dont watch flash, i detest it, so i sshould have no problems then. but whats the bug number for what you#ve ouitlined please? |
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| 09:30.10 | ToApolytoXaos | boudiccas: i don't know the actual number, because it's an old one. |
| 09:30.20 | tgs3 | themill: friend's computer |
| 09:30.31 | tgs3 | I told him it was dumb to install testing yet |
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| 09:30.49 | boudiccas | ToApolytoXaos: regardless it should have a bug number, an dif it hasnt, then report it yourself. it all helps |
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| 09:32.07 | themill | tgs3: what's the output of "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 09:32.18 | colegatron | my fault. it works with the s: prefix :-/ |
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| 09:32.31 | johny-b-goode | hey dudes. |
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| 09:51.49 | tl4m | exit |
| 09:51.59 | tl4m | ops :) |
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| 09:53.37 | ExeciN | I am trying to install parallel tools (as root) on my debian installation but I get a permission denied error. I tried copying everything from the virtual CD to a directory on my system and chmod +x on everything, then I got an error that make and kernel sources are missing (well they are not) How should I proceed to install parallel tools? |
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| 09:54.40 | colegatron | debian squeeze installs X with the default first CD ? |
| 09:55.06 | JimmyGulp | ExeciN: is make in the 'usual' place? (ie, installed from a package), or is the installation script looking for it in the wrong place? |
| 09:55.08 | colegatron | s/*/does */ |
| 09:55.09 | themill | colegatron: X is on CD1 and if you ask for it to be installed it will be, yes. |
| 09:55.33 | colegatron | themill, ok. tnx |
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| 09:57.11 | zW | Hi. Someone has a clue why ssh as root end/home keys work. When sshing as a chrooted user, they don't ? :) |
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| 09:58.28 | t7 | how often should i apt-get update ? |
| 09:58.30 | ExeciN | JimmyGulp: I installed make using apt-get install make (as root) |
| 09:58.49 | themill | t7: when you know you need to update packages. |
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| 09:59.11 | ExeciN | JimmyGulp: make is in the "usual" place |
| 09:59.13 | norg_ | hi, what's the difference between setting up font config in /etc/fonts/local.conf vs using a gui config tool such as lxappearance? |
| 09:59.36 | t7 | themill: when will i know? |
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| 10:00.53 | themill | t7: are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 10:01.17 | t7 | wheezy |
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| 10:02.32 | themill | t7: you might like to track security announcements for wheezy (or debian in general). (/msg dpkg dsa). Wheezy isn't changing much so it depends on how keen you are to see the latest package set. |
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| 10:04.23 | boudiccas | t7: i udate my wheezy every day, sometimes twice a day, whenevr conky shows methat i have updates available |
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| 10:05.04 | t7 | apt-get update & apt-get install ? |
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| 10:13.04 | BadCodSmell | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en When this says copy the ison onto the usb stick, does it literally mean the iso file or the contents of the iso? |
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| 10:13.43 | nkuttler | BadCodSmell: contents |
| 10:13.54 | nkuttler | actually, the filesystem |
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| 10:14.20 | nkuttler | BadCodSmell: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 10:14.27 | themill | obliterate the stick with the ISO as a disk image using the commands given |
| 10:14.39 | nkuttler | BadCodSmell: the command is given |
| 10:15.08 | neon__ | where can I see the startup messages, I searched in dmesg and syslog already |
| 10:15.21 | ompaul | that is what you have recorded |
| 10:15.56 | themill | neon__: you'd need to enable bootlogd; you can ask dpkg about it |
| 10:16.07 | neon__ | k |
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| 10:16.41 | jimcooncat | interested in openacs, but I don't understand the status for the debian package. It's in stable and sid, but not in wheezy. Will this be supported in the next release? |
| 10:16.46 | rusty_flippo | good morning to all |
| 10:17.08 | rusty_flippo | i have a problem installing wireless interface on my debian distro.. |
| 10:17.15 | rusty_flippo | is anyone who can help me? |
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| 10:18.06 | BadCodSmell | nkuttler: please read more closely, it is not given. |
| 10:18.29 | rusty_flippo | main problem is that i can't use apt-get command (or aptitude) because i'm not connected to internet |
| 10:18.33 | nkuttler | BadCodSmell: no really, you need to read again |
| 10:18.45 | BadCodSmell | "If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image[8] onto the stick" |
| 10:19.00 | BadCodSmell | The only example it gives would destroy what I just did |
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| 10:19.24 | themill | BadCodSmell: "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" seems like a pretty good example... |
| 10:19.41 | BadCodSmell | No absolutely not. |
| 10:19.52 | rusty_flippo | there's some way to make a list of packets from my computer with debian, to download them from anoter computer |
| 10:20.00 | BadCodSmell | "4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way" |
| 10:20.00 | rusty_flippo | and then install them? |
| 10:20.02 | BadCodSmell | I am doing this |
| 10:20.17 | themill | BadCodSmell: ahh. you could have said that... |
| 10:20.21 | BadCodSmell | The above commands are totally useless in this case, in fact, they are destructive. |
| 10:20.38 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: what themill said is the way fastest way forward get another stick and live the good life |
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| 10:21.08 | BadCodSmell | ompaul: this is not because I want to preserve files on the usb stick |
| 10:21.36 | BadCodSmell | it is because we have a weird system and copying the iso to the usb stick just does not work |
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| 10:21.58 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: time to go to $friend with working debian methinks |
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| 10:22.42 | themill | BadCodSmell: I *think* you copy the iso file onto the stick there, but I've never done it that way and I agree that it's not particularly clear what you do at that stage. |
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| 10:23.09 | nkuttler | copy iso on stick, umount stick. pretty clear to me |
| 10:23.41 | BadCodSmell | nkuttler: until it does not work and you need more flexibility. |
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| 10:24.05 | rusty_flippo | is anyone here, who can help me to install some software without using directly apt-get command on a pc with debian? |
| 10:24.13 | BadCodSmell | It gives that impression but then how is it finding the name of the iso, if you copy the contents on the other hand, it has symlinks and messes up on fat. |
| 10:24.26 | themill | nkuttler: yeah, probably. It's just unusual to copy an iso file as it is onto a stick like that. |
| 10:24.29 | nkuttler | rusty_flippo: what's your real question? |
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| 10:25.15 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, i can't install a wireless card on a pc with debian. so onto this pc, i have no internet access. |
| 10:25.20 | themill | BadCodSmell: for image in *.iso ; do check_is_installer ... isn't hard to imagine. |
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| 10:26.02 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, so i'm trying to find a way to generate a list of the packets |
| 10:26.16 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, to download from another pc |
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| 10:26.36 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, and then install them |
| 10:26.43 | neon___ | I am trying to change my keyboard to en_US.utf8, but it doesn't work |
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| 10:26.50 | nkuttler | !tell rusty_flippo about apt-offline |
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| 10:27.19 | nkuttler | neon___: which command are you using? |
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| 10:27.38 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, i'm reading that, thank you. |
| 10:27.45 | neon__ | is XKBLAYOUT="en_US.utf8" in /etc/default/keyboard make sense? |
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| 10:28.39 | nkuttler | neon__: layouts don't have encodings |
| 10:28.43 | nkuttler | !tell neon__ about keymap |
| 10:29.24 | nkuttler | !tell neon__ about locales |
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| 10:34.14 | zetheroo | anyone have experience installing QEMU 1.3 on Debian Wheezy? |
| 10:34.31 | neon__ | nkuttler, I need to set something more nkuttler. I have a system where the keyboard indicator say en_US and not USA |
| 10:34.50 | ompaul | zetheroo: you want kvm as well |
| 10:34.58 | ompaul | as for 1.3 no idea |
| 10:35.02 | ompaul | ,qemu |
| 10:35.10 | ompaul | ,versions qemu |
| 10:35.11 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.0+dfsg-3~bpo60+1+b1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.2+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-2 |
| 10:35.20 | ompaul | so the answer is no |
| 10:35.46 | nkuttler | neon__: en_US sounds pretty much like USA to me |
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| 10:36.53 | neon__ | nkuttler, it doesn't sound like that to one program I use. It calls this pc102/us and the other pc102/en_US.utf8 |
| 10:37.06 | neon__ | and it break the keys |
| 10:37.20 | nkuttler | program? |
| 10:37.30 | jimcooncat | I would like a simple wiki package I can keep updated with aptitude. Bonus points if not php/mysql. |
| 10:37.39 | jimcooncat | Suggestions, please? |
| 10:38.09 | nkuttler | jimcooncat: moin |
| 10:38.23 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, i've tried that guide but it didn't work |
| 10:38.39 | jimcooncat | nkuttler: just one moin? not moinmoin? |
| 10:38.53 | neon__ | nkuttler, freenx |
| 10:39.05 | nkuttler | jimcooncat: apt-cache search moin |
| 10:39.44 | jimcooncat | ty very much nkuttler! my coworkers will love you for this if I'm successful. |
| 10:39.56 | nkuttler | jimcooncat: haha. good luck |
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| 10:44.00 | rusty_flippo | nkuttler, have you got some ideas on how to installing a wireless card without having internet access? |
| 10:44.32 | burek | copying a debian .deb package from internet to usb |
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| 10:47.12 | babilen | rusty_flippo: But it really is in your interest to install your system in such a way that you either have access to all packages you need or by ensuring that you have internet connection right from the start. |
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| 10:47.51 | rusty_flippo | babilen, so you suggest to format and reinstall? |
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| 10:49.03 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Well, it really depends. Which image did you use for the installation and which wireless adaptor do you have? ("lspci -nn|grep -i network" → give me the alphanumerical identifier at the end in […]) How easy would it be to connect via ethernet? |
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| 10:49.47 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Also on what kind of hardware are you installing? (CPU, RAM, ...) |
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| 10:50.16 | rusty_flippo | babilen, network controller [0280] - Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 |
| 10:50.29 | babilen | dpkg: ar9285 |
| 10:50.30 | dpkg | The Atheros AR9285 PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline ath9k driver since Linux 2.6.29, ask me about <ath9k>. See also Debian bug #577555. |
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| 10:51.08 | rusty_flippo | babilen, i used latest dvd 1 iso install |
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| 10:51.17 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Ok, that is good news. Which image did you use for the installation? Can you control the wireless network and how is it configured now (e.g. wpa, wep, open, ...) |
| 10:52.03 | rusty_flippo | babilen, i installed debian using only first dvd. this wireless network is wpa protected |
| 10:52.09 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Ah, you used DVD1. In that case you shouldn't have much of a problem as all the packages you need are on DVD1. Do you use Gnome or another desktop environment? Is it installed already? |
| 10:52.10 | rusty_flippo | babilen, wpa2 |
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| 10:52.33 | rusty_flippo | babilen, i use gnome |
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| 10:52.48 | rusty_flippo | babilen, yes it is already installed |
| 10:53.07 | rusty_flippo | babilen, but i can't find network-manager-gnome |
| 10:53.51 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Wonderful, how did you install it? Did you simply select the "Desktop" task during the installation? Does "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" show the package as installed? Does "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" install it if not? |
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| 10:56.53 | rusty_flippo | babilen, i used desktop, when i type "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" it says that it cannot find that package. apt-get install .. gives the same |
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| 10:57.58 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Ok. Could you check if you have an entry for DVD1 in your sources.list please? (you could, for example, simply run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"). In particular make sure that it is /not/ commented. |
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| 10:59.50 | rusty_flippo | babilen, sorry i think it was cdrom1 'cause there's a line NOT commented that begins with "deb cdrom... |
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| 11:00.39 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Ok, just to clarify: Are you sure that you used DVD1 and not CD1? That is: Did you download the 4GB image or the ~ 700MB one? |
| 11:01.10 | babilen | rusty_flippo: It sounds as if you used CD1 and not DVD1 and CD1 does /not/ contain everything you need to get online. |
| 11:01.20 | babilen | (at least with network-manager) |
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| 11:02.29 | babilen | The fact that CD1 does not contain everything that is needed to install the complete Desktop task is a constant source of pain and IMHO very unfortunate. |
| 11:02.39 | rusty_flippo | babilen, i did this many times ago.. i remember it was dvd1 (cause i installed it with 8gb usb device), but it can be i'm wrong.. |
| 11:03.41 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Do you still have that image? What does it say in your sources.list? It might also be that the fact that it is USB bites us here. |
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| 11:03.59 | ksk | hello guise |
| 11:04.20 | ksk | there was an perl update yesterday or some days ago - now my rkhunter tells me that /usr/bin/perl changed |
| 11:04.30 | mwargh | and? |
| 11:04.50 | ksk | shouldnt it get a new value from some database to see its good? |
| 11:05.04 | mwargh | from what database? |
| 11:05.14 | ksk | dunno :> packages.debian.org? |
| 11:05.32 | mwargh | doesn't it just build a list of hashes of your installed files |
| 11:05.40 | mwargh | and warn you when those hashes change? |
| 11:05.52 | babilen | mwargh: That was my understanding too |
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| 11:06.05 | ksk | mhm, looks like it. does anyone know if i can tell him "thats okay"? |
| 11:06.11 | rusty_flippo | babilen, it was the cd1, now this is what i'm gonna do: download dvd1 and reinstall everything. Thank you for help. :) |
| 11:06.14 | babilen | ksk: You could just update rkhunter's database. |
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| 11:06.26 | babilen | rusty_flippo: One second please :) |
| 11:06.45 | mwargh | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/10/msg01230.html |
| 11:06.49 | rusty_flippo | babilen, ? |
| 11:06.53 | babilen | rusty_flippo: On what kind of hardware are you installing? (CPU/RAM/...) |
| 11:07.12 | babilen | mwargh: Ah, thanks for the link. |
| 11:07.28 | mwargh | babilen: oh, sorry, it turn out it's not that helpful |
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| 11:07.51 | rusty_flippo | babilen, how can i check this from a shell? |
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| 11:09.06 | mwargh | also it seems there are samhain and tripwire now |
| 11:09.17 | mwargh | which maybe are better |
| 11:09.21 | babilen | rusty_flippo: You could run "free -m" and tell me the number in the first column and row (total) and run "grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 11:10.37 | babilen | samhuin? I have /completely/ different associations with that word. For me it includes torches, processions of dressed up humans and so on ... (yeah yeah, offtopic) |
| 11:10.58 | rusty_flippo | babilen, total 3767 |
| 11:12.15 | rusty_flippo | babilen, intel pentium cpu p6200 |
| 11:13.15 | babilen | rusty_flippo: Thank you -- How fast is your network connection and can you change your wireless network's configuration? I am simply asking because while reinstalling with DVD1 is certainly an option we could definitely get you online "manually" now ... |
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| 11:16.02 | rusty_flippo | babilen, no, i can't manipulate wireless configuration |
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| 11:17.42 | diverdude | Does debian have owncloud packages in the repo? |
| 11:18.35 | ewook | diverdude: for 12.04 repos: apt-cache search owncloud |
| 11:18.35 | ewook | owncloud - personal file storage server |
| 11:18.47 | ewook | oops |
| 11:18.50 | ewook | wrong distro :p |
| 11:19.23 | ewook | couldn't find dito for deb 6. |
| 11:19.24 | babilen | rusty_flippo: I would still like to try configuring it manually if you don't mind the exercise. Or would you rather not spend time on this right now and simply reinstall? |
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| 11:19.57 | babilen | judd: v owncloud |
| 11:19.58 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.4debian2-3.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.0.4debian2-3.1; sid: 4.0.8debian-1.2 |
| 11:20.07 | babilen | diverdude: ^^^ |
| 11:20.31 | ewook | thanks babilen :) |
| 11:21.01 | babilen | guesses that rusty_flippo is not interested in configuring it manually :) |
| 11:21.27 | diverdude | hmm but owncloud on debian is only 3.0 :/ |
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| 11:21.46 | babilen | diverdude: I don't quite follow. Could you elaborate on that please? |
| 11:22.30 | diverdude | babilen, ah its 4.0.8? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/owncloud |
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| 11:24.10 | babilen | diverdude: Yes, looks like it, doesn't it? I haven't packaged it and didn't investigate further though. |
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| 11:26.33 | somiaj | ,check-backport owncloud |
| 11:26.34 | judd | Backporting package owncloud in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 11:27.06 | somiaj | looks like you could backport it to squeeze fairly easily though. |
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| 11:32.35 | linduxed | let's say that package foobar is version 2.0 in sid but only 1.0 in wheezy. is there someone i could ask "hey there, do you know when a newer version will get moved from sid to wheezy?" |
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| 11:33.50 | qdb | hello. if package file name is brdcp7030lpr-2.0.2-1.i386.deb , what is package name? brdcp7030lpr-2.0.2-1 ? |
| 11:35.00 | linduxed | qdb: probably without the package version |
| 11:35.01 | neon__ | I am trying to set the keycodes adn symbols with setxkbmap, but the setting doesn't stick |
| 11:35.25 | neon__ | after setting I do setxkbmap -v and see the old settings are still there |
| 11:35.27 | somiaj | linduxed: go check the debian QA page, you can get to it from packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 11:35.30 | barfod | neon__: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 11:35.35 | qdb | linduxed, thank you |
| 11:35.40 | barfod | its a bit different debian-way |
| 11:35.40 | somiaj | linduxed: you have the package in question and I can give you a link |
| 11:35.53 | linduxed | somiaj: weechat |
| 11:36.40 | somiaj | linduxed: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/weechat.html |
| 11:37.03 | somiaj | linduxed: the freeze is blocking updates so wheezy won't be getting the newer version (as said on that page) |
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| 11:38.04 | babilen | linduxed: You could also configure a mixed testing/unstable system and directly pull it from unstable as detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" (fwiw) |
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| 11:38.38 | neon__ | barfod, this settup with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration doesnt have the setxkbmap settings |
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| 11:39.17 | linduxed | babilen: hmmm, maybe that's a way too |
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| 11:40.30 | linduxed | babilen: the thing is that i thought that the way you installed things from sid was using that "build-deps method" which generally results in installing a thousand packages you don't want before you can even start building the package you wanted |
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| 11:41.17 | yhsdu | what tool checks the route a particular service is taking into a network? for example, whether apt-get uses the proxy set within the http_proxy env variable? |
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| 11:42.52 | ChrisH | yhsdu: the application itself needs to do that. |
| 11:43.06 | linduxed | somiaj: oooh, an rss feed |
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| 11:43.50 | babilen | linduxed: No, it doesn't at all. Backporting (i.e. your "build-dep" method) is necessary for installing testing/unstable packages on /stable/. Testing and unstable are by definition quite close (even in times of freeze due to "/msg dpkg slushy") that you can just pull in packages from unstable (+ dependencies) into a testing system. |
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| 11:43.58 | somiaj | linduxed: I'd personally make a backport (and not just install the sid package). But I think it is bad advise to just install unstable packages in another distro (though now when wheezy/sid are close you won't have much a problem) |
| 11:44.10 | babilen | linduxed: But be warned! |
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| 11:44.20 | quitte | Hi. My printer doesn't print some things silently. for example in the STM RM0008 all the important notes are just gone. sometimes they look as if all the characters of a line where printed on a single character. any idea where in the filtering chain that happens and how I can tell? |
| 11:44.29 | yhsdu | ChrisH: I mean a tool that observes another service. I once thought nmap would be capable of that, but it seems not to... |
| 11:44.39 | somiaj | but if you meet all the deps in wheezy I would suggest just downloading the .deb and installing it so you don't have sid sitting around your sources.list |
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| 11:45.09 | babilen | linduxed: It /really/ depends on what you are planning to do /after/ the release. If you plan to stay with wheezy you really shouldn't configure a mixed system now as sid and wheezy will diverge rapidly after the freeze. |
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| 11:46.02 | yhsdu | ChrisH: I wrote the domain of a non-existing proxy server into http_proxy but apt-get still seems to work, so I would like to observe the path/route/whatever it is taking to the repos |
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| 11:46.19 | linduxed | babilen: when is the freeze over then? |
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| 11:46.54 | linduxed | or more specifically, in what timeframe could i expect newer versions to continue being migrated into testing? |
| 11:47.01 | linduxed | two months? |
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| 11:47.18 | somiaj | linduxed: wheezy will most likely never get the newer version |
| 11:47.30 | ChrisH | yhsdu: apt-get does need a proxy in/below /etc/apt/apt.conf like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://apt-proxy:9999/"; |
| 11:47.35 | linduxed | (sorry for not knowing where to look up debian version schedules) |
| 11:47.38 | somiaj | linduxed: once the freeze is over, packages will start migrating into the new testing (jessie) as normal. |
| 11:47.57 | linduxed | somiaj: well i have no problem moving to jessie as soon as it's available |
| 11:47.58 | somiaj | linduxed: but if you freeze with wheezy (my suggestion) or start running the new testing is a personal choice. |
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| 11:48.09 | babilen | linduxed: What are you planning to do after the release? Wheezy will be released when it is ready and most people expect that to happen in the first or second quarter of 2013. |
| 11:48.09 | somiaj | linduxed: I don't suggest that. But yes you could do that. |
| 11:48.41 | yhsdu | ChrisH: it should also obey the http_proxy env variable for temporary proxies |
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| 11:49.05 | ChrisH | yhsdu: did you find that in a man page? If yes in which? |
| 11:49.08 | babilen | linduxed: I wouldn't switch to jessie /directly/ after the release either as it is /very/ unstable (in both the "changing" and "broken" sense) ... |
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| 11:50.47 | yhsdu | ChrisH: not within a manpage. But when searching the internet for `apt-get' and `http_proxy' there are many sites found that claim that it should work |
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| 11:51.29 | babilen | linduxed: So my recommendation for now: Keep wheezy in your sources.list and set it as <default release> - Add sid (or unstable) to your sources.list and pull in the weechat package directly. Once wheezy has been release /and/ jessie has been tamed (maybe 4-8 weeks after the release) you can switch to jessie. Note that you /will/ have to deal with a large number of transitions then and that running testing then is /not/ comparable to running ... |
| 11:51.35 | babilen | ... testing /now/ (given that it is frozen) |
| 11:51.36 | sliddjur | in ubuntu in terminal i can use tabulator after i type apt-get and then get more commands and not the files in current dir. is this an application or something ? |
| 11:51.45 | yhsdu | ChrisH: also, tools like wget should obey this variable |
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| 11:52.43 | linduxed | babilen: i have no strict plans. all i know is the following: i want to use weechat 3.9+, i know that i've felt the need to backport packages before due to demand of newer versions (so testing is where i kinda belong), i'm quite tolerant when it comes to "the latest and brokenest" (i can handle that) and i have little knowledge of when the various versions of debian rotate in/out |
| 11:53.39 | babilen | linduxed: If you do this you can backport the few packages that you installed from sid /now/ after the release (or even install them from official backports) after the release and run "plain wheezy" + backports. If you decide to switch to jessie you can do that anytime, but you don't have to fight against the increasing gap and make a conscious decision based on the planned transitions in wheezy. |
| 11:54.33 | themill | linduxed: I imagine that weechat from sid is probably directly installable in wheezy anyway, but it's also a trivial backport to make if you want. |
| 11:54.35 | themill | ,checkbackport weechat --fromrelease sid --torelease wheezy |
| 11:54.36 | judd | Backporting package weechat in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 11:54.52 | babilen | linduxed: Well, stick to the first steps of the plan I sketched and you can always decide what to do after the release. I really wouldn't recommend running "testing" now as it will be a bit rough the first few weeks after the release. |
| 11:55.08 | babilen | themill: It is a simple backport, yes |
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| 11:55.32 | linduxed | babilen: ok then, i'll hold of jessie for a while |
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| 11:55.56 | linduxed | so what dpkg whisper do i do to get backport instructions? |
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| 11:56.32 | babilen | linduxed: I guess that just compiling weechat on wheezy right now is the easiest way and weechat might even end up in wheezy-backports after the release. |
| 11:56.48 | babilen | linduxed: Follow "/msg dpkg ssb" / "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
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| 12:00.32 | ChrisH | yhsdu: for wget its mentioned in the man page...and apt-get does not mention it on the man-page... I do this wrong every time I setup a new system :) |
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| 12:03.26 | linduxed | see this is what i meant https://gist.github.com/4284969 |
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| 12:03.40 | linduxed | it just isn't that easy it seems :-S |
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| 12:14.42 | somiaj | linduxed: I personally run sid and suggest that over testing if you want bleeding edge debian. (note sid is buggy and will break from time to time again, but it gets fixes fairly quick as well. I also would not suggest this to someone who is not familar with how debian works) |
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| 12:15.58 | jackbrownhf | hello |
| 12:16.00 | jackbrownhf | anyone therE? |
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| 12:16.32 | Lis | hello everyone does someone use i3wm on debian testing? |
| 12:16.36 | jackbrownhf | ? |
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| 12:17.14 | Lis | i got a bug with context menus. they do not appear sometimes (only for gtk applications) or switch positions or disappear and are not clickable |
| 12:17.23 | Lis | this is the same for menus in a menubar |
| 12:18.04 | linduxed | somiaj: for the time being i'll just backport this package |
| 12:18.05 | babilen | Lis: I think that this bug is not specific to i3, but a general GTK one. I am not sure if it has been reported yet, but you might want to check on http://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:18.22 | linduxed | somiaj: i might consider running sid some day, but atm i don't think i will |
| 12:18.34 | somiaj | linduxed: yea that is my standard suggestion is stabalize with wheezy and run stable. Backport things you need that are newer. |
| 12:18.35 | babilen | linduxed: I second somiaj's recommendation btw |
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| 12:18.57 | jackbrownhf | hey there I have an inte i7 3610QM processor which debian should I install ? |
| 12:19.01 | jackbrownhf | *intel |
| 12:19.05 | linduxed | well... i do run archlinux on everything except my server |
| 12:19.09 | babilen | jackbrownhf: amd64 clearly |
| 12:19.14 | xand | jackbrownhf: if you mean which arch, amd64 |
| 12:19.16 | jackbrownhf | babilen: thanks |
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| 12:20.14 | jackbrownhf | xan: babilen i'm downloading small CD 186mb then during the installation ti will let me chose everything I need? (DE program etc. etc. ? = |
| 12:20.19 | jackbrownhf | ) |
| 12:20.24 | babilen | jackbrownhf: I would also recommend to use the kmuto installer if you plan to use stable (squeeze) - /msg dpkg kmuto - or just run wheezy (and install using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/) |
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| 12:21.22 | jackbrownhf | babilen: i'm downloading this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso isn't good ? |
| 12:21.33 | babilen | jackbrownhf: The former (i.e. stable) is probably the best choice if you are new to Debian/Linux -- Under the assumption that you have a working internet connection you can install everything during (or after) the installation. Which desktop environment do you plan to use? |
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| 12:22.20 | babilen | jackbrownhf: No, I would use the kmuto installer (http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/) as it comes with a newer kernel and firmware which you need for your hardware. |
| 12:22.27 | jackbrownhf | babilen: i would like to use Mate or Gnome |
| 12:22.40 | jackbrownhf | babilen: which kernel it comes with ? |
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| 12:23.40 | babilen | jackbrownhf: The standard kernel in stable is 2.6.32 and kmuto includes the backported 3.2 kernel from wheezy (which will be the next release) -- See "/msg dpkg backports" for further information about that |
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| 12:24.41 | babilen | jackbrownhf: Stable/Squeeze ships with Gnome2 and wheezy comes with Gnome3 -- Mate hasn't been packaged for Debian (and it will most likely take quite some time for it to be included in Debian) |
| 12:24.48 | babilen | (if ever) |
| 12:24.59 | jackbrownhf | babilen: thanks |
| 12:25.18 | babilen | You are welcome - Let us know if you have further questions :) |
| 12:25.22 | jackbrownhf | babilen: So Mint Debian can't be considered a Debian at all ? (it has Mate for example) |
| 12:25.51 | babilen | jackbrownhf: It is /not/ Debian but Mint -- It is a different distribution that is based on Debian (of which there are hundreds if not thousands) |
| 12:25.55 | barfod | thats a distro made from debian, and not the most savory in my opinion |
| 12:26.32 | barfod | pardon the mint pun* |
| 12:26.37 | jackbrownhf | babilen: ok what about this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 12:27.36 | Lis | which package do i need to install for the graphical reportbug |
| 12:28.03 | babilen | jackbrownhf: Mate isn't in Debian right now due to a number of reasons. The most important ones include: 1. Nobody has done the work yet 2. MATE needlessly forker a number of libraries and Debian -- there has been a long discussion about this on debian-devel and I don't expect MATE to make it into Debian soon |
| 12:28.19 | babilen | Lis: reportbug |
| 12:28.33 | Seryth | What is the version number for Debian Wheezy? |
| 12:28.36 | Lis | and the graphical package? |
| 12:28.42 | jackbrownhf | babilen: ok |
| 12:28.55 | Lis | well i note the name of the package |
| 12:29.12 | Lis | python-vte it is |
| 12:29.30 | babilen | Lis: You can either configure reportbug to use the GTK2 interface permanently (reportbug --configure) or start it with "reportbug -u gtk2" (cf "man reportbug") |
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| 12:30.26 | Lis | how do i delete the reportbug settings? |
| 12:30.53 | ompaul | babilen: given this [Friday 14 December 2012] [07:38:21] <jackbrownhf> KittyGirl: which relationship does Linux Debian has with Linux Mint Debian? I feel you are being trolled |
| 12:30.54 | babilen | jackbrownhf: I wouldn't use the weekly builds. You have to decide if you want to use stable (squeeze) /or/ testing (wheezy) -- If you want to use the former use the kmuto installer (as it comes with a newer kernel) and if you want to use the latter use the beta4 installer with firmware that I linked earlier. |
| 12:31.45 | Lis | rm ~/.reportbugrc |
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| 12:32.19 | jackbrownhf | ompaul: I was asking another opinion |
| 12:32.32 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: it is a fact, it is not open to discussion. |
| 12:32.49 | jackbrownhf | ok |
| 12:33.20 | Seryth | Am I correct in thinking that with Debian, neither Wheezy nor Sid have version numbers, and that Squeeze is everything from 6.0.0 to 6.0.6? |
| 12:33.38 | ompaul | Seryth: yes |
| 12:33.49 | Seryth | ompaul: Thanks. |
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| 12:33.54 | ompaul | Seryth: wheezy will be 7 and sid will never have a number |
| 12:34.29 | ompaul | Seryth: after wheezy, jessie, but sid will feed into jessie |
| 12:34.35 | jackbrownhf | ANother questions, if debian is a rolling distro (That if I'm not wrong means that you never need to reinstall a newer version but just to upgrade) why do exists debian 6 5 4 etc. ' |
| 12:35.10 | babilen | jackbrownhf: Debian is /not/ a rolling distribution |
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| 12:35.49 | Seryth | ompaul: Thankyou |
| 12:35.53 | jackbrownhf | babilen: ? I asked to KittyGirl she told me that i'll never have need to format and reinstall a newer DEbian version once I installed it, did I misundertood ? |
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| 12:35.57 | babilen | jackbrownhf: You might want to read a bit before you ask questions in here. Wikipedia has a lengthy article on rolling releases for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release |
| 12:36.15 | ompaul | Seryth: you're welcome |
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| 12:36.18 | Seryth | jackbrownhf: You won't. YOu can update from one install. It's like running "apt-get dist-upgrade" on ubuntu |
| 12:36.21 | jackbrownhf | babilen: ok thanks |
| 12:37.01 | babilen | jackbrownhf: You did not misunderstood kitty -- Debian supports (and works hard to ensure) upgrades between releases, but that doesn't make it a rolling release. Hell, even wheezy or sid aren't rolling |
| 12:37.27 | barfod | maybe take with a grain of salt the things people named "kitty-girl" say |
| 12:37.38 | ompaul | Seryth: of course to do so one should read the upgrade docs, not maintain a delta from debian itself, and go from one version to another, no skipping versions. |
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| 12:38.09 | Seryth | ompaul: Of course. Skipping versions is never good in a dist upgrade! |
| 12:38.12 | jackbrownhf | babilen: ok Rolling = one distro always devoloped (there are no 4-5-6-7-8 etc.) Ubuntu and Debian have releases but they can be upgraded using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (better to format ) |
| 12:38.24 | Lis | can i install only one experimental package? |
| 12:38.32 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: just be careful when you upgrade and read the docs. It can be real easy to screw up if you don't. |
| 12:38.50 | Lis | so that aptitude updates only the needed dependencies? |
| 12:38.56 | cobra-the-joker | still no release date for debian 7 ? |
| 12:39.01 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I always save my home and format when i have to upgrade to a newer release |
| 12:39.02 | babilen | Lis: Could you be a /bit/ more specific. But fwiw: You can have more than one package installed from experimental at any one time |
| 12:39.17 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: good move |
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| 12:39.28 | barfod | Lis: yea use apt pinning. and pin that package to be drawn in from experimental |
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| 12:39.35 | barfod | yes* |
| 12:39.36 | jackbrownhf | tech_: this is the reason cos i was looking for a rolling releaase |
| 12:39.40 | gr8 | how do I create a 1G ramdisk on debian lenny? |
| 12:39.52 | jackbrownhf | tech_: in theory you will never have need to format with that |
| 12:40.34 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: well, Debian doesn't have a "rolling release", per se |
| 12:40.45 | jackbrownhf | tech_: ok |
| 12:40.47 | babilen | jackbrownhf: Debian is also being constantly developed. Just read the Wikipedia article. It discusses all this in great detail |
| 12:42.06 | Lis | babilen : thank you |
| 12:42.11 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: +1 to what bablilen said. I run sid and do daily updates via aptitude. |
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| 12:42.31 | jackbrownhf | tech_: sid ? |
| 12:42.42 | jackbrownhf | tech_: ok wheezy or sid |
| 12:42.43 | jackbrownhf | ok |
| 12:42.44 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: it is on the wikipeda page |
| 12:43.04 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: Debian experimental |
| 12:43.53 | babilen | Why don't we let jackbrownhf read the article (and a subset of the articles linked therein) before discussing this further ? ;) |
| 12:44.33 | jackbrownhf | babilen: i m on my way ompaul tech_ tnx for support |
| 12:44.54 | Lis | if i have experimental and testing in my sources.list does apt automatically use the experimental if I do a aptitude update? |
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| 12:46.06 | tech_ | Lis: that's a good question. Never considered it |
| 12:46.13 | Lis | uhm i mistated it |
| 12:46.21 | Lis | if i do a aptitude full-upgrade i meant |
| 12:46.32 | babilen | Lis: No it does not (because it has NotAutomatic: yes set (cf. "man apt_preferences")) |
| 12:46.46 | babilen | it == experimental |
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| 12:48.24 | tech_ | Lis: you'd otherwise have to manually change /etc/apt/sources.list, then do a full-upgrade |
| 12:48.39 | Lis | brb |
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| 12:50.39 | diverdude | im installing debian on a 10.7TB volume (Its an underlying raid5). Now it has come to partitioning formatting, how long could this take? |
| 12:51.12 | babilen | long |
| 12:51.24 | cyrusae | anyone got an idea on how to install skype on testing? |
| 12:51.26 | babilen | diverdude: Which filesystem are you creating? Is it encrypted? |
| 12:51.31 | ChrisH | diverdude: no LVM over a 10TB Device? |
| 12:51.40 | babilen | cyrusae: Sure, it is detailed on the Debian wiki |
| 12:51.44 | ChrisH | dpkg tell cyrusae about skype |
| 12:51.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell cyrusae -about skype |
| 12:51.58 | ChrisH | :-) |
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| 12:53.17 | tech_ | diverdude: I know it took me about 3-4 hours to format a 1TB in ext4 on time, if that helps |
| 12:53.29 | tech_ | *one time |
| 12:54.05 | cyrusae | hm okay i thought there would be an easier way, but thanks |
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| 12:55.13 | babilen | cyrusae: It is quite easy IMHO -- What do you consider to be problematic or what might need further explanations? |
| 12:55.19 | tech_ | cyrusae: doesn't skype have a repository you could enter into Synaptic or sources.lilst? |
| 12:55.40 | diverdude | tech_, 3-4 hours ughhh :/ thats 40 hours then |
| 12:55.46 | babilen | recommends to follow the multi-arch route |
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| 12:56.02 | ChrisH | diverdude: reinstall using LVM and make smaller filesystem |
| 12:56.04 | cyrusae | babilen no problem, but with repo-using linuxes i like to use the repos as often as possible (i usually use gentoo) |
| 12:56.06 | diverdude | babilen, not encrypted, its ext3 or 4 |
| 12:56.15 | Lis | man debian is just pure awesomenes... the bug disappeared with the experimental i3 |
| 12:56.20 | diverdude | ChrisH, why? |
| 12:56.21 | cyrusae | tech_ it appears to have had, yes. i've read about it, but it does not seem to work |
| 12:56.23 | tech_ | diverdude: keep in mind that this wasn't a raid config, and I wasn't using quick format |
| 12:56.42 | jackbrownhf | I chosed the KDE enviroment instaling from the 186mb image (VMware) and it's doing everything automatically |
| 12:56.54 | tech_ | diverdude: so your mileage may vary |
| 12:57.16 | diverdude | tech_, how can i choose if i want to use quick format? |
| 12:57.50 | ChrisH | diverdude: because I cannot imaginge you need 10TB at one Filesystem. |
| 12:58.12 | xand | that's a strange assumption to make - but I doubt it'd take *that* long to format |
| 12:58.21 | tech_ | diverdude: I'm not sure, my install was so very long ago. But Debian has had a graphical installer for a few years now so I'm sure the option can be found there |
| 12:58.22 | xand | I have a 6TB filesystem, certainly didn't take days! |
| 12:58.40 | xand | I've never heard of a quick format option other than on Windows |
| 12:58.44 | cyrusae | i often reformatted my 2 tb drive, it usually takes about five to ten minutes at max |
| 12:59.23 | tech_ | diverdude: at the time I think I'd done something wrong, so do not take my word for it |
| 12:59.49 | barfod | Lis you shouldn't need to add "experimental" repo, just the apt-pinning is enough to get the package from the experimental area of the repo. Regardless of what repositories are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:00.21 | diverdude | ChrisH, i do |
| 13:00.45 | diverdude | tech_, im using the console installer |
| 13:01.15 | tech_ | ChrisH: he may be doing a lot of video editting, in which case, he'd probably need a lot of storage |
| 13:01.40 | babilen | Lis: Was anything installed from experimental apart from i3-wm ? |
| 13:02.39 | tech_ | diverdude: let me ask my roommate, he just formatted an external drive about a week ago |
| 13:03.11 | Lis | babilen: only dunst |
| 13:03.30 | babilen | Lis: ok, ta! |
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| 13:04.43 | barfod | but you will have to apt-get update after changes are made to /etc/apt/preferences, so that apts indices include the apt pinned package |
| 13:05.40 | Lis | barfod yes I just read about that somewhat later i just needed my window manager back, so that i can work with it |
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| 13:05.52 | Lis | thanks to all :D |
| 13:05.52 | tech_ | diverdude: BTW, my drive was formatted over a USB bus (external drive), so that may be why it took me so long |
| 13:06.29 | tech_ | diverdude: if your drives are internal then it shouldn't take as long as you might think |
| 13:06.35 | barfod | yeah, i often just add experimental repo, add my package, and then remove it. But its not really the best way. apt pinning is better |
| 13:06.51 | diverdude | tech_, ah yes that explains it |
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| 13:08.32 | diverdude | has been running for 90 mjinutes now...probably just only ½% done :/ worst thing is that i have no clue how far in the process it is |
| 13:08.37 | diverdude | will it be 1 hour more |
| 13:08.41 | diverdude | will it be 1 year more |
| 13:08.44 | diverdude | i have no idea |
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| 13:09.28 | tech_ | diverdude: without being constrained by such a chokepoint as USB 2.0, it probably shouldn't take more than a few hours |
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| 13:10.14 | diverdude | tech_, creating the raid array took something like 28 hours |
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| 13:10.26 | diverdude | tech_, makefs on the colume took like 1 hour |
| 13:10.44 | diverdude | tech_, and for some reason debian now wants to format everything again |
| 13:10.54 | tech_ | diverdude: I'm just guesstimating because we're now talking about 10TB (!) instead of just 1 |
| 13:11.19 | diverdude | actually 10.7 |
| 13:11.21 | diverdude | :) |
| 13:11.26 | diverdude | its a big disk |
| 13:12.00 | tech_ | diverdude: you doing any video editting? I ask b/c that's an awful lot of storage |
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| 13:12.49 | diverdude | tech_, no, but i have huge amounts of recorded data from a special camera i need to store |
| 13:12.57 | ompaul | diverdude: you know you could install a small debian on the front porch you know 100gigs or something, get it out of the way put the box in the rack and then tackle the rest |
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| 13:13.13 | tech_ | diverdude: I figured it had _something_ to do with video |
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| 13:13.37 | diverdude | ompaul, tackle at the rest? |
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| 13:13.55 | ompaul | diverdude: format it in place |
| 13:14.07 | ompaul | but from the os so not to be worried about |
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| 13:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: Let me guess, there is no way you can back up 10 TB, right? |
| 13:16.49 | ceil | why not? :o |
| 13:17.05 | ompaul | rsync would be busy for an hour or two a day |
| 13:17.16 | diverdude | jhutchins_wk, not really no |
| 13:17.49 | ceil | ompaul: needs moar CPUs :p |
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| 13:24.05 | lord_rob | Hi! Is there a GUI app that would help me encoding my WAV files to either ogg or mp3 ? |
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| 13:26.41 | nevyn | lord_rob: there's lots of lame frontends |
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| 13:27.00 | nevyn | but you should be using ogg vorbis unless you have mp3only hardware |
| 13:28.02 | lord_rob | I really doubt my car radio supports ogg |
| 13:28.04 | ChrisH | tech_: Even for video I would not to that on / |
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| 13:28.55 | lord_rob | and for my online digital music purchase, I prefer buying wav |
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| 13:29.53 | nevyn | right. |
| 13:29.59 | nevyn | so lame it is |
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| 13:31.28 | lord_rob | only my phone/tablet support ogg/flac (android of course) |
| 13:32.08 | cyrusae | &join #archlinux |
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| 13:33.34 | nevyn | lord_rob: (lame is software btw I'm not saying that your car stereo is bad) |
| 13:33.47 | nevyn | !lame |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | LAME is an open source MP3 encoder. Version 3.98.4 was accepted into Debian in July 2011 (closing bug #90091). Unofficial packages for Squeeze are available from <deb-multimedia>. Applications using <GStreamer> for MP3 output require the LAME plugin: install the gstreamer0.10-lame package (in <dmm>) for squeeze, the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly package for wheezy. http://lame.sf.net/ #mp3encoder on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:34.40 | lord_rob | I know what you're talking about ;) |
| 13:34.44 | Hotwired | hey, i'm building some deb packages using pdebuild, but i want to store some files that aren't needed in the package in the folder (they required for building on our backwards system), how can i tell dpkg-source to ignore them? |
| 13:34.52 | lord_rob | I'm using lame/oggenc |
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| 13:35.36 | grobda24 | Hello, looking for help with Grub. When writing it to a hardrive with multiple partitions do I write to "/dev/sda" or to the first partition "/dev/sda1" ? |
| 13:35.40 | lord_rob | but only with command line which is why I'd like to find a gui to help me |
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| 13:38.45 | nevyn | lord_rob: there's lots of them |
| 13:39.09 | nevyn | ripperx sound-juicer etc |
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| 13:39.34 | lord_rob | nevyn: #mp3encoder (what dpkg says) is a dead channel |
| 13:40.15 | nevyn | audex lots of options |
| 13:40.34 | nevyn | kde can do it using a vfs plugin |
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| 13:41.03 | nevyn | audiocd:/ will give you a mp3 ogg and cd folder which if you copy out of will rip and encode |
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| 13:41.16 | lapsusbrutus | E: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/liba/libaacplus/libaacplus2_2.0.2-dmo1_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch Added the multimedia repos.. is it the repos thats broken or any way to fix? |
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| 13:44.09 | lapsusbrutus | dvdstyler not packaged for wheezy. :\ |
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| 13:46.00 | lord_rob | cd ripping is not exactly what I'm looking for, I have a bunch of wav files bought on the internet, I'd like to convert them to mp3 and put on USB stick for my stereo. I can do that easily with LAME but I can't do that file by file |
| 13:46.46 | lord_rob | and all lame guis I can find are cd rippers actually |
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| 13:49.22 | lord_rob | so it's just "lame mySong.wav mySong.mp3" but for many files |
| 13:49.56 | lord_rob | maybe a simple bash script could do the trick |
| 13:50.20 | nevyn | ls *.wav > filelist |
| 13:50.33 | trist4n | uh |
| 13:50.36 | trist4n | a ``shell glob''. |
| 13:50.40 | trist4n | thats what it does. |
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| 13:50.50 | nevyn | trist4n: he needs a tiny bit more. |
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| 13:51.30 | nevyn | ls *.wav > filelist && sed -e s/\.wav$//g <filelist > filenames |
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| 13:51.55 | trist4n | i am not sure i see why the output of ls needs to be saved to disk then read from disk then saved to disk. |
| 13:51.56 | nevyn | for file in filenames; do lame $file.wav $file.mp3; done |
| 13:52.00 | mwargh | wtf |
| 13:52.05 | nevyn | cause I suck ;) |
| 13:52.22 | nevyn | and the in bash string substitution remains a mystery to me ;) |
| 13:52.25 | mwargh | why just not ls *.wav | sed s/\.wav$//g > filenames |
| 13:52.34 | trist4n | why even save it to filenames |
| 13:52.40 | trist4n | thats what a for loop does. |
| 13:52.49 | trist4n | does a block of code fore very output of a block of code. |
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| 13:52.59 | nevyn | trist4n: sure go do that whole efficiency thing bite me. |
| 13:52.59 | mwargh | also bash string substition is simple |
| 13:53.16 | mwargh | like ${foo%%.} to strip extension iirc |
| 13:53.19 | mwargh | correct me though |
| 13:53.24 | trist4n | foreach thing in $(shellglob*|sed 's/thing/thang/); do convert thing and move to thang done |
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| 13:53.29 | trist4n | hey wait thats perl |
| 13:53.32 | mwargh | lol |
| 13:53.32 | trist4n | for thing in* |
| 13:53.49 | diverdude | tech_, ahh already done :) |
| 13:53.50 | nevyn | lord_rob: now you've done it. |
| 13:54.05 | swanstomp | Trying to install Debian on my laptop. I only have wireless access. The docs says that the debian installer will prompt for missing firmware (i have the iwlwifi package on a partition ready for it), but instead the installer only tries eth0 |
| 13:54.08 | swanstomp | ... and just times out |
| 13:54.08 | lord_rob | huh ? |
| 13:54.42 | nevyn | swanstomp: go to load installer components in the main menu |
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| 13:54.58 | BadCodSmell | How do I get BOOTX64.efi? |
| 13:55.02 | BadCodSmell | grub2 efi does not come with it |
| 13:55.04 | BadCodSmell | IT is missing |
| 13:55.33 | swanstomp | nevyn, last presented a static list of things to load IIRC, dunno if I could get to load my iwlwifi package, can I? |
| 13:55.40 | swanstomp | s/last/that |
| 13:55.57 | nevyn | one of the things in that list is "firmware loader" |
| 13:56.01 | swanstomp | Ah |
| 13:56.09 | swanstomp | Thanks nevyn, I'll try that :) |
| 13:56.11 | nevyn | or prompt for firmware or something |
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| 14:01.03 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 14:01.23 | TomyLobo | if i wanted start/stop/restart commands on debian wheezy, what would i do? |
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| 14:01.37 | _clx | hi |
| 14:01.46 | mwargh | TomyLobo: what do you mean? |
| 14:01.57 | TomyLobo | like on ubuntu |
| 14:02.04 | TomyLobo | 12.04, for instance |
| 14:02.13 | tech_ | TomyLobo: what exactly are you trying to stop/start/restart ? |
| 14:02.27 | TomyLobo | services |
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| 14:02.53 | mwargh | /etc/inid.d/foo |
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| 14:03.00 | mwargh | /etc/init.d/foo |
| 14:03.01 | TomyLobo | i'm kinda too lazy to type "/etc/init.d/" all the time |
| 14:03.08 | mwargh | make an alias |
| 14:03.16 | TomyLobo | but ubuntu has no alias |
| 14:03.19 | mwargh | lol |
| 14:03.23 | TomyLobo | :) |
| 14:03.27 | mwargh | it has |
| 14:03.30 | mwargh | man bash |
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| 14:03.40 | TomyLobo | durr |
| 14:03.46 | TomyLobo | it has *support* for aliases, of course |
| 14:03.54 | mwargh | what do you mean? |
| 14:03.55 | tech_ | TomyLobo: if you;re running KDE then just use systemsettings>Startup and Shutdown>Service manager |
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| 14:04.09 | TomyLobo | but start/stop/restart are no aliases on ubuntu |
| 14:04.14 | TomyLobo | tech_ no gui here |
| 14:04.15 | mwargh | lol |
| 14:04.29 | _clx | I'm making a "grep -vf patterns-file file" with patterns-file 1,000,000 lines and file 750,000 lines (respectivly 24MB and 19MB) and I'm getting Out Of Memory on a 4GB server ! Is there a known issue with memory management for grep under wheezy/sid ? |
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| 14:04.50 | mwargh | alias p='/etc/init.d/service' |
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| 14:04.57 | mwargh | or a bash function |
| 14:05.04 | BadCodSmell | Why is it |
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| 14:05.18 | BadCodSmell | when i install grub for efi "version 2", I get grub version 1? |
| 14:05.33 | BadCodSmell | and when I try to install grub2 |
| 14:05.41 | BadCodSmell | efi is removed? |
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| 14:05.45 | TomyLobo | i'm guessing start/stop/restart come from upstart, but since channel policy is to ask for the problem to be solved, not for one's way of solving it, i thought i'd ask for the commands directly |
| 14:06.02 | mwargh | i told you, TomyLobo |
| 14:06.19 | TomyLobo | are there any side-effects to installing upstart on debian? |
| 14:06.26 | mwargh | why would you want to do that? |
| 14:06.31 | mwargh | upstart sucks |
| 14:06.34 | TomyLobo | why? |
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| 14:07.05 | mwargh | not transparent, shitty to manage |
| 14:07.41 | ichigo-roku | Hi, with VirtualBox how to start Windows on safe mode ? |
| 14:07.58 | mwargh | anyway, if you want something like srv foo stop you can make a bash function |
| 14:08.11 | mwargh | which takes 2 arguments and does what you want |
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| 14:08.32 | mwargh | and put it in your .bashrc |
| 14:08.42 | mwargh | or in system .bashrc |
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| 14:09.50 | mwargh | but i just configured bash completion so when i type /et^p it searches history |
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| 14:12.44 | diverdude | where can i find the packages: php-xml php-mbstring php5-zip php-pdo ? |
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| 14:14.36 | TomyLobo | diverdude they're not on apt? |
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| 14:16.25 | diverdude | TomyLobo, no |
| 14:17.06 | swanstomp | So the Load drivers from removable media thingy scans my system for a while and then gives up. My firmware package is on an HDD partition I mount before running this task. How do you get to point this task at a particular directory? There's no dpkg command either, so I don't get how i'm supposed to install this :/ |
| 14:17.08 | mwargh | TomyLobo: oh, you can invoke-rc.d |
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| 14:17.48 | jhutchins_wk | swanstomp: You're trying to do this from the installer? |
| 14:18.04 | swanstomp | Yes |
| 14:18.17 | babilen | diverdude: Why do you think that they should? |
| 14:18.18 | swanstomp | I have to install by wireless, and Debian doesn't ship with the firmware for my NIC. |
| 14:18.30 | jhutchins_wk | !installer firmware |
| 14:18.30 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 14:18.41 | diverdude | babilen, owncloud homepage says so |
| 14:19.11 | lord_rob | mwargh: ls ../*.wav | sed -e s/\.wav$/.mp3/g And where do you start lame ? |
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| 14:19.47 | mwargh | ? |
| 14:19.48 | babilen | swanstomp: Use the kmuto installer -- it supports wireless setups (wpa that is) and comes with firmware. If you want to connect to an open network or a WEP encrypted one you can use the squeeze installer and provide firmware as in ^^^ or use an image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
| 14:20.00 | jhutchins_wk | diverdude: aptitude search php-xml |
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| 14:20.14 | babilen | diverdude: owncloud has been packaged for Debian -- Their instructions are obviously not for Debian |
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| 14:21.08 | lord_rob | mwargh: I list my wav files using that command, then replace .wav to .mp3 but the goal was to do lame file1.wav file1.mp3 |
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| 14:21.24 | babilen | ,owncloud |
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| 14:21.33 | babilen | judd: v owncloud |
| 14:21.34 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.4debian2-3.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.0.4debian2-3.1; sid: 4.0.8debian-1.2 |
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| 14:21.44 | babilen | diverdude: ^^^^ (didn't we discuss this earlier?) |
| 14:21.47 | swanstomp | jhutchins_wk - I read the docs, but the page doesn't explain how to point the install at a directory on a HDD and load firmware debs. I'd like to consider creating new initrd images as a last resort. |
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| 14:23.45 | diverdude | babilen, yeah but i cannot do apt-get install owncloud |
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| 14:23.53 | babilen | diverdude: Why not? |
| 14:24.26 | diverdude | babilen, it says the package does not exist |
| 14:24.34 | babilen | diverdude: Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 14:25.08 | diverdude | babilen, squeeze |
| 14:25.13 | meelu | any good debian gui i can install a simple one i want to connect to my remote server |
| 14:25.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell diverdude -about ssb |
| 14:25.36 | diverdude | 6.0.6 |
| 14:26.20 | babilen | diverdude: You have to backport it yourself for squeeze, which should be pretty straightforward. Just follow the instructions dpkg (our bot) just sent you. Note that /you/ have to make sure to backport new versions/security updates as soon as they are being released. |
| 14:26.41 | diverdude | babilen, hmm check for a backport on <debian-backports>...how is that done? |
| 14:27.39 | babilen | diverdude: I've done that already and it is not there. You can either look yourself on http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ or use "/msg judd v owncloud") -- owncloud is, however, not in squeeze backports which is why you have to backport it yourself |
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| 14:29.01 | abailarri | Someone could help me configure my laptop microphone? I just installed debian wheezy |
| 14:29.10 | diverdude | babilen, ok...and what does it actually mean to backport something? |
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| 14:31.00 | diverdude | babilen, ahh backport is to use software from olderversions of debian? |
| 14:31.50 | somiaj | diverdude: the major issue with a binary from a newer version of debian is not the software you want, but all of the core libaries it depends on like (libc6, dpkg, etc) |
| 14:32.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell diverdude -about backports |
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| 14:32.47 | somiaj | diverdude: so the idea of a backport is to compile the binary against the libs in stable (so your core system is still stable but you have newer software). debian makes some, in the case debian doesn't provide them you can try to make them yourself (some packages will be very hard to near impossible to backport with out lots of mucking around) |
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| 14:34.07 | diverdude | hmmm that sounds pretty complicated to backport |
| 14:34.14 | abailarri | Someone could help me configure my laptop mic? I just installed debian wheezy |
| 14:34.17 | themill | actually, it looks like backporting owncloud isn't a matter of recompiling the package, it's a matter of backporting other modules it requires and fixing owncloud up to deal with jquery |
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| 14:34.56 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like owncloud isn't ready for use outside the development team yet. |
| 14:35.08 | diverdude | themill, but isnt that pretty difficult for inexperienced debian folks? |
| 14:35.20 | prodna | pptpd problems - can connect from inside but not from outside. Port is opened and client reaches server. Error log here: http://pastebin.com/mF6wTmFJ |
| 14:35.23 | themill | diverdude: this particular package will be, yes |
| 14:35.27 | somiaj | diverdude: depends on the package. Some are very easy (a few commands as listed in /msg dpkg ssbp) Others, require more work. |
| 14:35.54 | somiaj | sounds like the package you want is one of the difficult ones (despite squeeze meets all the build-deps) |
| 14:35.57 | diverdude | so compile from source and checkinstall is the way to go |
| 14:36.22 | themill | You don't really compile owncloud anyway |
| 14:36.30 | diverdude | ah its only web? |
| 14:36.36 | _niCe_ | can someone tell me why debian has still got a 2 years old version of kvm in the stable repositorys? o_O i'd say it's deprecated |
| 14:36.41 | somiaj | diverdude: backporting is compling from source. |
| 14:36.46 | themill | dpkg: tell _niCe_ about stable |
| 14:36.52 | themill | but then you already know that. |
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| 14:37.22 | _niCe_ | themill jea stable, but not 2 years o_O |
| 14:37.38 | themill | _niCe_: umm... squeeze was released almost 2 years ago? |
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| 14:38.04 | themill | ,v kvm --release squeeze-backports |
| 14:38.05 | judd | Package: kvm on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:1.0+dfsg-8~bpo60+1+b1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1 |
| 14:38.05 | somiaj | and was probabaly frozen 3 years ago. |
| 14:38.11 | themill | dpkg: tell _niCe_ about backports |
| 14:38.49 | diverdude | arrrg i cannot even unpack the tar ball :/ tar -xvzf owncloud-4.0.9.tar.bz2 dont work |
| 14:39.08 | somiaj | diverdude: because .bz2 is not a .gz zip |
| 14:39.12 | themill | diverdude: z means gzipped. You have a bzipped tarball there |
| 14:39.22 | somiaj | diverdude: you need a 'j' in your tar options instead of 'z' |
| 14:39.34 | themill | or an a |
| 14:39.39 | somiaj | which would be in the man page or hinted at if you read the error |
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| 14:40.01 | diverdude | no that dont work either |
| 14:40.08 | themill | dpkg: tell diverdude about doesn't work |
| 14:40.14 | zykotick9 | themill: somiaj are you sure tar needs a j or a z? |
| 14:40.45 | diverdude | tar -xvjf owncloud-4.0.9.tar.bz2 tar (child): bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 14:40.57 | themill | zykotick9: it doesn't need them at all. What it needs is to *not* have a z. |
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| 14:41.18 | somiaj | zykotick9: the options -xzvf each mean something. the 'z' means gzip compression. He has a bz2 zip compression in which the tar option is a 'j' -- I'm guessing modern tars aren't as picky about detecting the compression |
| 14:41.32 | somiaj | diverdude: your error is telling you bzip2 is not installed. |
| 14:41.38 | zykotick9 | somiaj: recent tar versions can autodetect the archive... |
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| 14:42.05 | diverdude | ah nice |
| 14:42.06 | diverdude | thx |
| 14:42.23 | somiaj | diverdude: "bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory" -- hence you do not have bzip2 on your machine (most likely not installed) |
| 14:42.40 | diverdude | somiaj, yeah i installed it and worked great |
| 14:43.33 | somiaj | zykotick9: still is nice to know what the options mean (even if they aren't needed anymore) (: |
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| 14:46.53 | BadCodSmell | I'm trying to make a bootable netinstall usb using efo and grub, I have it loading the kernel but get unknown vfs |
| 14:46.55 | babilen | is lazy and just uses unp for unpacking |
| 14:47.06 | BadCodSmell | The netinstall is on an ext partition |
| 14:47.29 | BadCodSmell | Does the netinstall kernel come with drivers for msdos partitions and ext2? |
| 14:48.11 | BadCodSmell | I am using root=UUID |
| 14:48.15 | somiaj | BadCodSmell: what are you needing the vfat (msdos) filesystems for during the install? |
| 14:48.25 | BadCodSmell | efi |
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| 14:48.58 | BadCodSmell | grub successfully loads the kernel and initrd from the ext2 partition though |
| 14:49.22 | BadCodSmell | it#'s just the during the kernel boot up, it panics with can't mount root partition vfs, superblock 0,0 or something |
| 14:49.35 | BadCodSmell | Also, it lists a partition table but apparently shows nothing. |
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| 14:53.14 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, can you provide exact error message? |
| 14:53.19 | BadCodSmell | no |
| 14:53.25 | BadCodSmell | It's a really common one |
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| 14:53.43 | BadCodSmell | unable to mount root (vfs error) |
| 14:53.45 | babilen | BadCodSmell: Which image is that btw? |
| 14:54.00 | BadCodSmell | netinstall amd64 6.0.6 |
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| 14:54.24 | babilen | BadCodSmell: Could you try wheezy's beta4 (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/) please? |
| 14:54.51 | BadCodSmell | No |
| 14:54.58 | BadCodSmell | Not an option |
| 14:54.59 | babilen | ok |
| 14:55.12 | babilen | If you can't try it than not :) |
| 14:55.16 | BadCodSmell | We are not playing around unfortunately, we need stable. |
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| 14:55.35 | BadCodSmell | We could possibly try another kernel though |
| 14:55.36 | themill | you can install stable from wheezy's installer |
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| 14:55.53 | BadCodSmell | but that should not be an issue |
| 14:56.01 | themill | but I'm pretty sure you cannot boot the squeeze installer from efi |
| 14:56.09 | babilen | BadCodSmell: Did I asked you to install testing at any point? I simply asked you if you could try that installer, nothing else. And you can still install stable using that installer. But well, if you say "No" then I can't (and won't) help further |
| 14:56.10 | BadCodSmell | because my /boot kernel is the same as the netinstall kernel as far as I can tell |
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| 14:56.16 | BadCodSmell | same size |
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| 14:56.43 | BadCodSmell | babilen: The format of the installer must be a bootable efi usb stick that is editable |
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| 14:56.55 | BadCodSmell | Testing something else doesn't really make any sense |
| 14:56.56 | babilen | BadCodSmell: Oh, and you probably need/want http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you need the netboot one |
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| 14:57.17 | BadCodSmell | hmm |
| 14:57.20 | BadCodSmell | I have a theory |
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| 14:57.31 | BadCodSmell | could the kernel need usb drivers? |
| 14:57.34 | BadCodSmell | That are not compiled in? |
| 14:57.52 | babilen | BadCodSmell: I have a theory too, but you don't want to test it. All I am asking you to do is to test the beta4 installer. You don't want to do that and we are therefore done here. |
| 14:58.21 | babilen | s/netboot/hd-media usb files/ |
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| 14:58.36 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: hire a consultant they can debate with you all day |
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| 14:58.39 | BadCodSmell | I see |
| 14:59.32 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, usb drivers should be compiled in |
| 14:59.39 | ompaul | dcherniv: don't feed it |
| 14:59.40 | BadCodSmell | for mass storage? |
| 14:59.52 | ompaul | all yours :) |
| 15:00.07 | dcherniv | sigh |
| 15:00.10 | Woet | Why does Debian Squeeze still fail with grub installing on a 2 TB disk? |
| 15:00.16 | Woet | They're pretty mainstream now. |
| 15:00.17 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, yes |
| 15:00.36 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, netinstall kernel, well any kernel nowadays can boot from usb |
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| 15:01.00 | themill | Woet: "still" is almost always going to be the case with a stable release. |
| 15:01.05 | babilen | (not from EFI though, but BadCodSmell refuses to test) |
| 15:01.14 | Woet | themill: surely a stable release still has bug fixes? |
| 15:01.30 | dcherniv | babilen, who said anything about EFI? |
| 15:01.36 | babilen | dcherniv: BadCodSmell did |
| 15:01.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell Woet -about stable |
| 15:02.12 | babilen | Woet: Only very specific bugs (the behaviour of the others is just as stable) |
| 15:02.12 | Woet | babilen: debian not being able to install itself is not a critical bug? |
| 15:02.13 | dcherniv | ah |
| 15:02.17 | themill | Woet: the installer tends not to change much and changing things that could break other things is generally frowned upon. |
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| 15:02.39 | themill | Woet: it's critical to you, not to everyone. There's also the wheezy isntaller and kmuto installer if you need a newer installer image. |
| 15:02.39 | ompaul | you can turn off efi |
| 15:02.43 | Woet | and what is the fix for these 2 TB disks? as you can imagine, my customer would like a server with an OS. |
| 15:02.53 | ompaul | use legacy but were's the point in that |
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| 15:03.07 | BadCodSmell | The thing is, it boots the kernel... |
| 15:03.10 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, rebuild your kernel with CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION: y |
| 15:03.23 | babilen | BadCodSmell: Last word, but you are obviously not interested in fixing this: beta4 is the first installer that claims some support/compatibility with EFI/GPT/... -- I would simply like you to try that INSTALLER! |
| 15:03.38 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, babilen is correct |
| 15:03.39 | themill | dcherniv: the squeeze kernel already has that |
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| 15:04.08 | dcherniv | themill, you sure? |
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| 15:04.23 | BadCodSmell | babilen: that installer installs debian 7 |
| 15:04.23 | BadCodSmell | I need debian 6 |
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| 15:04.23 | themill | ,kconfig EFI --release squeeze |
| 15:04.23 | judd | Searching for 'EFI' in squeeze kernel config gives EFI=y FB_EFI=y EFI_VARS=m CACHEFILES=m EFI_PARTITION=y. |
| 15:04.25 | themill | dcherniv: ^^ |
| 15:04.44 | dcherniv | themill, mmm yes |
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| 15:05.10 | dcherniv | BadCodSmell, since your usb stick is the same as /boot kernel run cat /boot/config* | grep EFI_PARTITION |
| 15:05.13 | themill | BadCodSmell: you've been told several times that the wheezy installer can install squeeze. Please spend some time reading rather than arguing so we can all get on with it. |
| 15:05.20 | babilen | BadCodSmell: We've been over that already. First and foremost: The installer and the release *are two different things* and you can, in fact, use the beta4 installer to install squeeze. Secondly: if you don't even want to *test* it then I don't want to help you anymore. |
| 15:05.25 | Woet | what is the fix to install debian squeeze on 2 TB disks? |
| 15:05.59 | themill | Woet: is it the partitioner or the grub installation that falls over? |
| 15:06.00 | ompaul | get a good image and do it - I have |
| 15:06.05 | Woet | themill: just grub. |
| 15:06.27 | ompaul | Woet: are you sharing that disk with anything? |
| 15:06.56 | Woet | ompaul: nope. |
| 15:07.14 | boudiccas | how do i make a file executable by root please? |
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| 15:07.41 | ompaul | Woet: assuming /dev/sda is where you are installing that is where you should put grub not in /dev/sda1 |
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| 15:07.51 | ompaul | Woet: is that the problem? |
| 15:08.03 | oskar- | boudiccas: chmod o+x file |
| 15:08.06 | Woet | ompaul: I have 1 GB /boot partition |
| 15:08.26 | ompaul | Woet: grub lives outside /boot |
| 15:08.26 | boudiccas | ah, thanks oaka. simple as that, must remember it. |
| 15:08.28 | oskar- | boudiccas: or do you mean by root only? |
| 15:08.46 | boudiccas | no, by user + root |
| 15:08.58 | Woet | ompaul: okay, but what do you mean? the installer just says grub-install failed |
| 15:09.08 | failor | is it a good idea to use ksplice on debian luks-encrypted instance? |
| 15:09.17 | ompaul | Woet: does it say more than that? |
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| 15:10.00 | Woet | ompaul: http://i.imgur.com/WLTb6.png |
| 15:10.51 | ompaul | Woet: go back what does it say |
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| 15:11.33 | oskar- | boudiccas: use chown to set user and group the file (maybe a new group?), and then set the executable flag for the specified user, group or others: "chmod u+x file" or "chmod g+x file". the "o" would be for others, which is a bit coarse ;) |
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| 15:12.28 | ompaul | boudiccas: why did you want it only by root |
| 15:12.48 | boudiccas | ompaul: i didnt, i said user + root |
| 15:12.57 | ompaul | boudiccas: sorry didn't see user |
| 15:13.03 | ompaul | ah you said it later |
| 15:13.03 | marsje | Hi. Is there a certain file that contains a list of all installed packages? I have an old harddisk and I want to know what I had installed on it... |
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| 15:13.26 | Woet | ompaul: let me boot the installer again |
| 15:13.35 | zykotick9 | marsje: does "dpkg -l" help? |
| 15:13.48 | diverdude | marsje, dpkg -L |
| 15:13.52 | ompaul | marsje: no, but if you look in /var/logs/dpgk.log you will see what you did to the disk |
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| 15:13.55 | marsje | zykotick9: I mean that I'm not booted on this system |
| 15:14.03 | themill | zykotick9: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:14.38 | zykotick9 | themill: thanks - good to know about. pretty verbose output ;) |
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| 15:14.47 | marsje | ompaul: that is helpful! |
| 15:15.01 | ompaul | themill: hmm thanks |
| 15:15.23 | ompaul | marsje: well I don't know which one I prefer now - there is an apt history file somewhere also |
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| 15:17.01 | zetheroo | not sure where to start with this issue ... we have a KVM host running Wheezy and on this host are two Wheezy VM's ... one of the VM's when accessed via Putty suddenly started seemingly loosing the connection over the local network ... so sometimes you cannot log onto the VM via Putty at all, and other times when you are able to finally log on the connection drops at some random interval - this only happens on the one VM and not on the other! - and it onl |
| 15:18.24 | ompaul | zetheroo: you truncated at other! - and it onl |
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| 15:18.49 | marsje | ompaul: dpkg.log will do for now... I moved to a new system so of course I'm missing a lot of things I used to have... |
| 15:19.02 | zetheroo | ompaul: ? |
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| 15:20.00 | ompaul | zetheroo: your line stopped we didn't see after what I said |
| 15:20.14 | ompaul | I'd guess you were saying and it only ... |
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| 15:20.47 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.55 | zetheroo | and it only started happening today ... nobody can find there having been any changes to the VM or the Host ... |
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| 15:21.25 | cj101 | hi, i need some help with wheezy but #debian-next is invite only so i have to ask here. ive been trying to remove the nouveau drivers and install the nvidia drivers all day but no matter what i do once ive uninstalled and then installed it wont boot (hangs on populating /dev), is this a bug with wheezy and the nvidia drivers or is something else going on? |
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| 15:22.19 | themill | marsje: «grep-status -FStatus "installed" -sPackage -n /path/to/status» is going to be much easier to deal with than parsing dpkg.log |
| 15:22.25 | ompaul | zetheroo: log onto the box - and log onto the vm from there - does it start happening that way |
| 15:22.26 | themill | cj101: #d-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:22.53 | cj101 | ok thanks |
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| 15:23.43 | zetheroo | ompaul: this only occurs with Putty connecting ... |
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| 15:24.13 | marsje | themill: never heard of that |
| 15:24.34 | ompaul | zetheroo: I'll point the finger at the putty config then |
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| 15:25.23 | themill | marsje: actually, there will be very few packages in the status file that aren't installed anyway. |
| 15:25.45 | ompaul | zetheroo: i.e. not a debian issue |
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| 15:26.07 | ompaul | windows - kill the config viles (yesh they are vile they live on winders ;-))) |
| 15:26.26 | ompaul | give people debian workstations and the problem will melt away |
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| 15:27.49 | shal3r | I'm trying different Debian install CD's/IMG's on different USB storage devices but i still cannot boot from them and i'm getting error "failed to load libutil_com.c32; Failed to load COM32 file /syslinux/menu.c32". Any ideas? |
| 15:28.41 | ChrisH | Anyone ever got that to work? scp user1@host1:somefile user2@host2:file man scp shows Copies between two remote hosts are also permitted. |
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| 15:29.13 | ompaul | ChrisH: don't quote me on this, but does that have something to do with ssh forwarding settings |
| 15:29.39 | ompaul | ChrisH: tbh I never got it to work I did ssh host1 and did the work from there |
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| 15:29.47 | Brigo | hi, i have a problem with mysql, I want logs in /var/log/mysql/mysql.log, but i can get it despite my my.cnf modifications ... |
| 15:30.08 | somiaj | ChrisH: are you using password or key verification? |
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| 15:30.24 | ChrisH | somiaj: I tested with keyauth |
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| 15:31.03 | Brigo | i know about /etc/mysql/conf.d/mysqld_safe_syslog.cnf, but i can't find any documentation about how to configure it. |
| 15:31.18 | somiaj | ChrisH: yea I just tested, though the two systems cannot connect to eachother via a key, wonder if that is why I got Permission denied |
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| 15:32.09 | zetheroo | ompaul: I was logged into the VM through a linux machine at the same time that a Putty session was open and when the Putty sessions crashed so did the ssh session from the linux machine |
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| 15:32.39 | ompaul | zetheroo: ok start with running like screen so you can reconnect to your work |
| 15:32.58 | ompaul | zetheroo: second note what happened, the putty sessions died, that is not a linux issue |
| 15:33.07 | ompaul | you're connections cascaded |
| 15:33.12 | somiaj | ChrisH: just got it to work, but it requires that host1 and host2 have key auths between them |
| 15:33.45 | ChrisH | I just spend another 5sec thinking on the error message... scp user1@host2:file user2@host2:file2 does ssh user1@host1 "scp file user2@host2:file2" and host1 cannot connect to host2 |
| 15:35.34 | somiaj | ChrisH: yea I set up key verrification and scp host1:file host2:file worked. (because host1 can connect to host2 via a key), but if I tried scp host2:file host1:file I got the error that 'host2 not found' because I was using my /etc/hosts for resolving and the hostname wasn't valid on host2 |
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| 15:35.45 | zetheroo | ompaul: not really following ... how does the putty connection failing also make the linux ssh session fail? |
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| 15:36.32 | ompaul | zetheroo: closing the controlling terminal |
| 15:36.45 | somiaj | ChrisH: so it apperas to me as if a child process is run on host1 to connect host2 for the copy, so you need the hosts to be able to talk/authenticate each other (not just authenticate via the machine you are running it on) |
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| 15:37.23 | ompaul | zetheroo: unless you use screen or one of the other similar tools you can't keep a job going that you start in a session if the session closes |
| 15:38.38 | Dalvini_ | tmux ftw |
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| 15:39.35 | ChrisH | somiaj: So for most purposes its useless |
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| 15:40.35 | somiaj | ChrisH: yea looks like you'll have to have a very special setup for it to not error out |
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| 15:41.10 | somiaj | ChrisH: though maybe if you are on a local network/cloud with lots of hosts and all the verrification/keys are managed on one central server it could be useful |
| 15:44.02 | ChrisH | somiaj: doing a scp user1@host2:file . && scp file user2@host2:file2 does not what you expect :) |
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| 15:45.29 | somiaj | ChrisH: do you have an extra 'not' in there? |
| 15:45.44 | somiaj | ChrisH: "dose not what you expect" -- seems lke it should copy the file just fine to me |
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| 15:46.11 | ChrisH | somiaj: s/not/more :) |
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| 15:46.30 | somiaj | ChrisH: allrighty now that makes more sense. (: |
| 15:47.11 | somiaj | ChrisH: doesn't rsync do a better job of this anyways. I always heard that scp doesn't have a stanadard so if you happen to be using some non openssl server, scp may not work anyways |
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| 15:47.27 | zetheroo | ompaul: so i am connecting to this VM from two different machines on the network ... one is a linux machine and one is a Windows machine ... from the linux machine I access the VM via SSH in the terminal and in the Windows machine I access the VM via Putty ... both machines have a session open to the VM and as soon as the putty session crashes so does the ssh terminal session on the linux machine |
| 15:47.51 | somiaj | ChrisH: nope it does not, the error is "The source and destination cannot both be remote." |
| 15:47.52 | confusid | I have never used an ARM system before. Would the Raspberry Pi be a good starter or something else? This has only a 700mhz cpu and 512mem so I am guessing it would be hair pulling times when trying to build on it. But the price is good. Also looked at the soekris net5501-70 that has 500mhz cpu and 512mem also but has 4 ethernet ports and a slot that I could put a wifi card in and use as a router along with building on it |
| 15:48.00 | somiaj | ChrisH: so I'll just add this to some more of scp voodoo |
| 15:48.33 | ompaul | zetheroo: ah, that's a nice clear explanation - run your ssh session from the linux box with the following command -vvv |
| 15:48.39 | ChrisH | somiaj: ack.. man rsync is very exact there... only one remote side allowed. |
| 15:49.17 | ChrisH | confusid: Do you want to compile something to be runned on ARM? Consider cross compiling |
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| 15:49.54 | confusid | ChrisH: from a x64 over to arm? |
| 15:49.55 | somiaj | ChrisH: yea it appears scp is taking advantage of ssh being able to run a commond on the remote host. |
| 15:50.27 | ompaul | ChrisH: what's the harm in running an ssh to the first host and then using rsync by some trigger and I fail to see how many resources you save after you set this up to be automatic |
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| 15:51.48 | failor | is it a good idea to use ksplice on debian luks-encrypted instance? |
| 15:52.20 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.03 | _jeek | I'm seeing weird network behavior on 443 from a relatively fresh set of 4 debian installs only to one IP. Another debian install on the same subnet gets to that IP fine, but 6% of connection attempts from those four systems time out with connection failure. It's supposed to use curl libraries, but the connection failure shows up even with telnet. |
| 15:53.16 | confusid | ChrisH: and I would like to look at a Arm system to learn on. so yes to compile something to run on arm. |
| 15:53.18 | ChrisH | confusid: yes, that was the idea. |
| 15:53.27 | _jeek | The four servers can get to port 80 of that IP fine, and can get to 443 anywhere else just fine. |
| 15:54.04 | _jeek | Running out of ideas here, was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on where else to look/test to narrow this down? As far as I can tell, it's either a problem with the four servers, or the outbound NAT one hop away from them. |
| 15:55.43 | DotHack | _jeek: only 443? |
| 15:55.54 | _jeek | Indeed. |
| 15:55.57 | DotHack | _jeek: maybe your entropy is low on that server |
| 15:58.17 | _jeek | DotHack: I'm checking into that, thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 15:59.26 | ompaul | zetheroo: what you are waiting on is the failure |
| 15:59.43 | _jeek | DotHack: Would the entropy issue cause even telnet connections to fail? |
| 16:00.00 | DotHack | _jeek: are you telnetting to 443? then yes |
| 16:00.14 | _jeek | Would that be port 443 on the receiving server? |
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| 16:00.33 | DotHack | _jeek: jess |
| 16:00.44 | DotHack | _jeek: yes i mean |
| 16:01.42 | zetheroo | ompaul: hmm ... this time the putty session crashed and the linux terminal session is still up :P |
| 16:01.51 | _jeek | Receiving server is Windows 2008/IIS 7, and every other server we've tested from reaches it without issue, many of them with outbound NAT so they'd all appear the same to the IIS server. |
| 16:02.11 | ompaul | zetheroo: you can iirc add the -vvv to the putty |
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| 16:02.32 | zetheroo | oh |
| 16:02.44 | ompaul | however it's a windows problem :) |
| 16:03.27 | ompaul | zetheroo: there are many reasons for ssh to die, pick one, its most likely the wrong one. |
| 16:03.36 | ompaul | zetheroo: for this reason you get evidence |
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| 16:04.05 | DotHack | _jeek: so you try to access 443 service on win server with curl on linux box |
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| 16:04.23 | DotHack | _jeek: and you have 4 linux boxes of wich on is having timeouts? |
| 16:04.40 | _jeek | I've done that. 6% failure. Also with siege. 6% failure. also with telnet, didn't do an exact count, but there were also failures. |
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| 16:04.52 | Paul_E | Hi there, I am trying desperately to compile php5 package myself and keep running into an error after I get to the end: /bin/sh debian/setup-mysql.sh 1025 /root/php5-odbc/php5-5.3.3/mysql_db make: *** [test-results.txt] Error 1 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 .... am I missing something terrible here? |
| 16:04.58 | _jeek | Yeah, the timeouts are while establishing the connection, and only on those four boxes |
| 16:05.21 | _jeek | even some other systems on the same subnet using the same outbound LB work |
| 16:05.54 | zetheroo | ompaul: just very odd that yesterday it was working fine and today it's not :P |
| 16:06.03 | babilen | Paul_E: Please paste the *entire* output and also elaborate why you have to compile PHP yourself. (that version is in squeeze) |
| 16:06.07 | DotHack | _jeek: maybe do tcpdump on both sides to verify that packet exits/enters the serverS? |
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| 16:06.25 | ompaul | zetheroo: did someone install something on the windows box |
| 16:06.31 | ompaul | did it get an infection |
| 16:06.33 | ompaul | etc etc |
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| 16:06.53 | _jeek | Networking guy says the threeway handshake is failing before making it out of the datacenter the four boxes are at, it's not even reaching the datacenter the windows box is at.. but only 6% of the time. |
| 16:06.53 | DotHack | _jeek: is this a virtual environment? with for example bonded nics? |
| 16:06.56 | ompaul | zetheroo: guesses they are great, pick one, it's going to be wrong. :) |
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| 16:07.06 | _jeek | Yes, all servers mentioned are VMware guests. |
| 16:07.10 | Paul_E | babilen: pror to that, it's a whole bunch of compling instructions. I am having to compile PHP myself because of a bug in php5-odbc that is affecting us and is not available precompiled with the patch. |
| 16:07.12 | babilen | Paul_E: (or at least provide more context so we can see what the error is - use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net to do so) |
| 16:07.15 | _jeek | It's also weird how consistent the failure rate is. |
| 16:07.19 | ompaul | zetheroo: wait, gather evidence, return with evidence, not speculation. |
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| 16:07.36 | zetheroo | ompaul: I have tried from 3 Windows machines with the same issue |
| 16:07.43 | ompaul | zetheroo: wait, gather evidence, return with evidence, not speculation. |
| 16:07.54 | babilen | Paul_E: I can't really see the error there -- Could you maybe paste the last, say, 100 lines to http://paste.debian.net ? Has that bug been reported? |
| 16:08.11 | Paul_E | babilen: http://pastebin.com/j66QvBEp |
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| 16:08.18 | Paul_E | oh sorry, didn't see paste.debian.net |
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| 16:08.52 | shadow_fox | kinda odd ... i just noticed my shut down option in system menu is not there |
| 16:09.03 | shadow_fox | dunno what i did to upset that menu |
| 16:09.06 | shadow_fox | :( |
| 16:09.22 | Paul_E | babilen: bug has been reported, upstream but has not yet been applied to source. https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=50444 |
| 16:09.27 | ihateyouall | hey guys i cant find it... what package contains the pulseaudio alsa plugin? |
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| 16:09.52 | UltraMC | any idea why this fails with error about sleep wrong time interval `30\r` http://paste.debian.net/216253/ ? |
| 16:10.06 | Paul_E | is there a log or something that dpkg-buildpackage outputs that I could look at to get more information? |
| 16:10.30 | ihateyouall | found it! thx anyway |
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| 16:10.43 | babilen | Paul_E: Has it been reported in Debian too? I am, fortunately, not involved in anything PHP (packaging/development), but it very much looks as if starting a MySQL instance fails. |
| 16:10.59 | DotHack | _jeek: is there bonding involved? |
| 16:11.33 | babilen | Paul_E: Is there anything in test-results.txt ? |
| 16:11.43 | Paul_E | babilen: This is what I thought might be happening too. I'm able to run debian/setup-mysql.sh and can confirm that the mysql daemon starts on port 1025. was able to telnet to it |
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| 16:12.06 | Paul_E | babilen: I can't find a test-results.txt file. Where would this end up? |
| 16:12.36 | babilen | Paul_E: Ok, I guess that one of the tests fail in that case. I was hoping that a test-results.txt file would appear in a "sensible" location and that it contains more information :) |
| 16:13.12 | Paul_E | I would have thought so too, but I don't see one in the php5-5.3.3 folder |
| 16:13.19 | Paul_E | gasp, directory ;) |
| 16:13.25 | babilen | heh |
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| 16:13.44 | DotHack | _jeek: if its only with curl using ssl, maybe try curl without ssl, its probably entropy related |
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| 16:14.23 | dario | is there an easy way to get a diff of all changes i made to a apt-get source'd package source tree? |
| 16:14.23 | Paul_E | babilen: if compling shows that this addresses the particular error we're seeing, then I'll be sure to report it to debian too. A bit hesitant to do it since upstream hasn't acknowledged it yet. |
| 16:14.48 | Paul_E | babilen: Specifically, this is affecting us: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61777 |
| 16:15.12 | babilen | Paul_E: It might very well be that one of the tests fails and that the build fails as a result of that. I'd have to download the PHP source package and familiarise myself with the packaging, but you might be able to spot something. You could also, simply, try to disable/comment tests to check if that "solves" the issue. We would then know that it is, indeed, a failing test and could continue from there. |
| 16:15.18 | DotHack | _jeek: curl has an option --random-file. try using /dev/urandom (unblocking random) |
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| 16:16.25 | Paul_E | babilen: I thought that to disable tests, I simply needed to env DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck |
| 16:16.27 | Paul_E | is that correct? |
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| 16:17.04 | babilen | Paul_E: Yes, but it *might* be that the package doesn't implement that. |
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| 16:18.35 | babilen | Paul_E: You know what: I wouldn't hesitate to report the bug and reference the upstream report. You could also contact the PHP team on their mailing list (pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org - http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/) about this issue |
| 16:19.07 | Paul_E | babilen: will do, but dont' want to waste anyone's time if it turns out the fix doesn't correct the issue we're seeing. |
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| 16:20.06 | babilen | Paul_E: A bug report is *very* easy to close and it might very well be a valid one. |
| 16:20.08 | Paul_E | what's weird, is when I env DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck |
| 16:20.08 | rgr | Morning. I'm trying to add my hp officejet 6100 to printers via system settings on a wheezy install. Used to work with squeeze. When I add printer it detects the local printer connected via usb but when I add it says "fails to add new printer". Nothing more. I have hplip stuff installed. dmesg seems to have nothing relevant. |
| 16:20.17 | Paul_E | and then check shortly thereafter, it goes away! |
| 16:20.44 | babilen | Paul_E: So the package builds without a problem if you set the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable to nocheck ? |
| 16:20.59 | Paul_E | well.. I dunno,. I set the env variable |
| 16:21.09 | Paul_E | then looked at the env settings a few minutes later |
| 16:21.13 | Paul_E | and it was gone |
| 16:21.14 | Paul_E | didn't start the compile though |
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| 16:22.05 | babilen | Paul_E: Which shell is that? |
| 16:22.18 | Paul_E | bash |
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| 16:22.41 | babilen | Paul_E: And you run "export DEB_DUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck" and it goes away? |
| 16:23.11 | Paul_E | no, I was running env ... |
| 16:23.22 | Paul_E | export seems to have worked. it's now building with -nc on dpkg-build... |
| 16:23.26 | babilen | Paul_E: What happens if you run "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck debuild" or "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" (or whatever you use for building) |
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| 16:23.45 | babilen | Ah, great :) |
| 16:23.47 | Paul_E | I'm currently rerunning it, using dpkg-buildpackage with the -nc flag |
| 16:23.52 | Paul_E | and it's looking... much happier? |
| 16:23.56 | babilen | Lets see if that works |
| 16:23.57 | Paul_E | uh oh. died. |
| 16:24.01 | rgr | hmm. works via localhost cups web ui. |
| 16:25.05 | Paul_E | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /lib/libodbc.so.1 (used by debian/php5-odbc/usr/lib/php5/20090626/odbc.so). |
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| 16:26.19 | babilen | Paul_E: *sigh* -- No idea and I can only help you by reproducing it now. I guess that contacting the maintainer's is the best thing to do right now |
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| 16:28.46 | Paul_E | booo. |
| 16:28.57 | Paul_E | I wonder if this has anything to do with my installing unixodbc 2.3.0 |
| 16:29.02 | Paul_E | but... I removed it... I thought. |
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| 16:32.29 | monadicity | hello |
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| 16:32.38 | monadicity | how skilled do you have to be to use debian? |
| 16:32.38 | Paul_E | hi :) |
| 16:33.41 | Paul_E | babilen: I reinstalled unixodbc and things worked! |
| 16:33.43 | Paul_E | thanks :) |
| 16:33.50 | Woet | ompaul: when I go back it gives me the menu what to do next |
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| 16:34.13 | babilen | Paul_E: Oh, great. So the package compiles now? |
| 16:34.14 | epicfail | hey, can anyone tell me where i get the source of libao-common |
| 16:34.22 | epicfail | alsaplugin sucks and i need to compile from testing |
| 16:34.33 | Paul_E | yes, it appears so. going to install my php5-odbc and see what happens :) |
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| 16:34.41 | mtn | monadicity, it is actually quite easy |
| 16:34.55 | babilen | monadicity: Not very skilled, but you have to accept the fact that you'll have to learn something. Start by reading http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 16:34.56 | monadicity | now that debian can fit on a CD, I'm thinking of using it |
| 16:35.12 | rgr | monadicity: depends on what you want to do of course. Like al Linux distros you will need to adapt and learn accordingly. |
| 16:35.24 | monadicity | Ill read the whole book, then I'll be ok? |
| 16:35.35 | rgr | monadicity: pretty silly criteria since the OS is far more than a dvd. |
| 16:35.49 | monadicity | I'm using fedora now and it's horrible - my trash and titlebars all disappeared - and it's just going to get worse with all the "cloud" stuff they're adding |
| 16:36.13 | rgr | monadicity: reading it is not guarentee of anything. Rather google issues as you find them. Debian IS different from many others but similar to may too. |
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| 16:36.37 | babilen | monadicity: You'll be more than OK - I wouldn't fear Debian and we are here to help. It might just happen that we will ask you to read documentation once in a while. |
| 16:36.41 | ompaul | Woet: you took your time, I've been to the moon and back. |
| 16:36.54 | Woet | ompaul: co-worker took his time * |
| 16:36.56 | Woet | i'm just the messenger |
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| 16:37.09 | ompaul | Woet: so there was no additional info, in that case - restart the install (you know they did it wrong) |
| 16:37.22 | monadicity | thanks a lot everyone |
| 16:37.28 | monadicity | I'm going to read this whole book |
| 16:37.40 | rgr | so in debian wheezy and gnome which of the many startup files is the best to run keychain from? .xinitrc? .gnomerc? |
| 16:37.48 | Woet | ompaul: i'm actually going home shortly, but i'm going to try install grub through rescue |
| 16:38.07 | ompaul | Woet: most likely didn't partition the disk as they said they did, have them, check it out. one of two things has happened you can hit continue and if the install has worked then you will be able to do that |
| 16:38.16 | ompaul | Woet: if not starting again is the best option |
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| 16:38.31 | babilen | monadicity: I would recommend the approach to read the book *and* play with a Debian installation at the same time. That way you can try the things that are detailed in the book and you are rather working on specific things /you need/ |
| 16:38.31 | boudiccas | well no wonder my backups werent running every 4 hours under wheezy, rsync wasnt installed as part of the basic setup! what a skewed way of doing things! |
| 16:38.58 | monadicity | ok great idea |
| 16:39.18 | babilen | monadicity: On what kind of hardware are you planning to install Debian? |
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| 16:39.44 | babilen | monadicity: Are you running Fedora at the moment? Do you plan to keep Fedora installed for the time being? (is it even on the same box?) |
| 16:39.57 | monadicity | no I want to wipe it I hate it |
| 16:40.07 | rgr | but you dont want to wipe it yet.. |
| 16:40.28 | monadicity | things like this rubbish with things randomly going missing is why I can't recommend GNU/Linux to anyone |
| 16:40.42 | rgr | aha, thought so.. |
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| 16:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | monadicity: 'cause that never happens in other operating systems. |
| 16:41.50 | rgr | other OSen arent in question. If it happens in Fedora that would be an issue to move. |
| 16:41.50 | babilen | monadicity: Things shouldn't go missing *randomly* (at least not if your system if not configured to do that) |
| 16:42.01 | babilen | (it would be a major bug) |
| 16:42.07 | rgr | yup |
| 16:42.16 | monadicity | babilen, I agree but computers don't follow deterministic laws |
| 16:42.22 | rgr | yes they do. |
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| 16:42.30 | rgr | but rubbish in = rubbish out. |
| 16:42.37 | babilen | But trying different distributions is a very important step in learning Linux and in figuring out what one likes |
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| 16:44.05 | babilen | I can only encourage people to do that and if it is Debian they stick with: Great! If not: Great! :) (at least it was a conscious and informed decision) |
| 16:46.41 | monadicity | is debian going to integrate cloud features? |
| 16:46.58 | ompaul | what is the cloud ... some marketing term? |
| 16:47.11 | monadicity | ompaul, it's why I left ubuntu and fedora |
| 16:47.19 | babilen | monadicity: I think I'll have to answer "No" to that question |
| 16:47.22 | ompaul | monadcity ... is you a haskell |
| 16:47.29 | monadicity | babilen, that is really good news for me |
| 16:47.36 | monadicity | ompaul, a bit |
| 16:47.41 | nkuttler | cloud features? like? |
| 16:48.00 | monadicity | nkuttler, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284281 for example |
| 16:48.08 | monadicity | just awful |
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| 16:48.20 | nameless` | hi there |
| 16:48.25 | ompaul | monadicity: please define things go missing |
| 16:48.41 | nkuttler | monadicity: i'm not going to read through a forum thread.. |
| 16:48.54 | nameless` | i wonder if anyone knows how to solve the "grep unknow command" after the pipe |. I don't like having to avoid the space |
| 16:48.55 | babilen | nkuttler: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/personal-cloud for example |
| 16:49.18 | nameless` | cat foo |grep bar works, but cat foo |Â grep bar doesn't |
| 16:49.27 | nkuttler | so i guess it's "will debian integrate cloud services into the desktop"? |
| 16:49.33 | nameless` | using zsh and bash is the same |
| 16:49.37 | nkuttler | and host them for you? |
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| 16:49.55 | babilen | nkuttler: You don't need the cat anyway. Just "grep foo /path/to/bar" |
| 16:50.04 | nkuttler | babilen: but i like cats! |
| 16:50.19 | babilen | nkuttler: They like you too, but they don't like to be abused. |
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| 16:53.01 | babilen | nameless`: You don't need the cat anyway. Just "grep foo /path/to/bar" |
| 16:53.07 | babilen | (sorry for ENICK) |
| 16:53.11 | ompaul | pipe waster |
| 16:53.19 | ompaul | process forker |
| 16:53.43 | ompaul | just because clock cycles are cheap, next thing you'll say java is reasonable |
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| 16:56.09 | ChrisH | recommends to read www.netmeister.org/misc/useless_use.pdf and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_%28Unix%29#Useless_use_of_cat |
| 16:56.42 | ChrisH | ompaul: java is reasonable in most times |
| 16:56.55 | ompaul | ChrisH: use whitespace ... |
| 16:57.07 | monadicity | by the way do I have to do something special to get wireless internet working? on ubuntu I had to do some weird stuff with a binary from a website |
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| 16:57.31 | ompaul | monadicity: please define things go missing |
| 16:57.39 | monadicity | ompaul, the fedora problem? |
| 16:57.47 | neon__ | can I install skype for debian 7 on squeeze? |
| 16:57.47 | ompaul | monadicity: yes |
| 16:58.23 | ompaul | !tell monadicity about wireless |
| 16:58.25 | monadicity | ompaul, I had a trash bucket which I could right click to empty for about 5 months.. one day it was not there - so I have to cd into .local/Trash and rm -rf to empty my trash. Found no way to get it. If you google it you'll find others with the same problem |
| 16:58.39 | ChrisH | dpkg tell neon__ about skype |
| 16:58.52 | monadicity | ompaul, just today I switched on my computer and all the windows on the screen are up against the top left corner and have no titlebars.. had to run some weird command to get them back |
| 16:58.54 | ompaul | monadicity: is this a release or in development cycle fedora? |
| 16:59.00 | mogra | quick question, done this before but just refreshing memory, when building a custom router, is it necessary to have 2 separate NICs or will 1 dual port NIC work? (for instance, server is Dual Port) |
| 16:59.01 | monadicity | release |
| 16:59.15 | ChrisH | ompaul: whitespace? do you want me to use more or less whitespace? |
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| 16:59.44 | mtn | monadicity, messing with your installation will mess up any distro, including debian |
| 17:00.04 | monadicity | mtn, huh? |
| 17:00.06 | monadicity | ompaul, thanks for the wireless info - looks like ill have to do the same for debian |
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| 17:00.08 | monadicity | as with ubuntu |
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| 17:00.23 | mtn | monadicity, those distros are plenty stable for many many people. |
| 17:00.32 | monadicity | mtn, lucky people |
| 17:00.44 | neon__ | ChrisH, I want to know if the being of the package they give for debian 7 while I am on debian 6 will cause me problems |
| 17:00.49 | mtn | monadicity, I imagine they install and use, not mess with things |
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| 17:01.09 | monadicity | thanks for your speculations |
| 17:01.14 | ompaul | monadicity: was it the settings change "show-desktop-icons" |
| 17:01.18 | mtn | monadicity, you are welcome |
| 17:01.22 | monadicity | ompaul, no |
| 17:01.29 | ompaul | which one then |
| 17:01.36 | monadicity | it's no setting |
| 17:01.44 | monadicity | I still don't have it back |
| 17:01.51 | monadicity | but I don't need to fix this since I'm switching os |
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| 17:02.45 | ompaul | monadicity: the thing is you can use stable, and it will remain stable for a long time, if you add to it, do stupid non debian stuff you will get hit, if you run testing and complain about not being the latest |
| 17:02.55 | ompaul | monadicity: you are confused about stable and testing |
| 17:03.17 | monadicity | hmm |
| 17:03.51 | ompaul | monadicity: debian stable is rock solid, it does not do the unexpected. |
| 17:03.58 | monadicity | I like things to be up to date for security purposes, but I also like stuff not breaking |
| 17:04.08 | ompaul | security is managed - go read about it |
| 17:04.21 | ompaul | it is called a release cycle for a reason |
| 17:04.26 | monadicity | oh that's fantastic then |
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| 17:04.32 | ompaul | it works - now dinner |
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| 17:04.38 | monadicity | bye! |
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| 17:08.31 | monadicity | Debian is a GNU/Linux and GNU/kFreeBSD distribution |
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| 17:09.01 | monadicity | I didn't realise you could do that, how do you choose whether to use the Linux or kFreeBSD version? |
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| 17:14.19 | babilen | monadicity: You install the one your want. The kFreeBSD version is, however, not really on-par with the Linux one |
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| 17:17.48 | grobda24 | Hello. I've been looking at using the installation CD to repair my boot menu. I decided to keep the Vista boot menu and am going to add an entry to it pointing to my Linux installation. |
| 17:18.19 | grobda24 | Should I install grub as well to the partition that my Linux is on ? I'm thinking that is needed for the various kernel versions that I have. |
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| 17:19.45 | ksk | you can only have on bootloader, either the windows-thingy or grub |
| 17:19.55 | ksk | ( you can chainload from one into another ) |
| 17:20.21 | grobda24 | ksk: chainload, so I can have two ? |
| 17:20.24 | ksk | but if you are able to boot linux from windows bootloader its okay (dunno if possible, but there are 31337 topics about that on google) |
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| 17:20.39 | ksk | yes, bios loads for example grub, which has an entry which loads the windows-foo |
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| 17:21.02 | grobda24 | I want vista bootloader menu as the primary/main boot menu |
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| 17:21.11 | wols | grobda24: yes install grub2 to the partition |
| 17:21.28 | wols | and let your windows bootloader load the first sector of that partition for booting linux |
| 17:21.37 | grobda24 | I could add seperate entries for each Linux kernel that I have buts easier to allow upgrades to auto add menu entries to grub |
| 17:21.38 | wols | downside: you have a 2 stage boot menu |
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| 17:21.52 | wols | I don't think you can. how would you do it? |
| 17:22.10 | grobda24 | wols: to my sub-partition with Linux on it ? |
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| 17:24.37 | wols | grobda24: and you can choose a certain kernel from windows bootloader how? |
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| 17:25.56 | grobda24 | So, getting confused here. All I want to know is does Grub *have* to be on the primary boot partition/mbr - or can it be started from a sub-partition from the Vista boot menu ? |
| 17:26.11 | somiaj | grobda24: either |
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| 17:26.37 | somiaj | grobda24: I personally trust grub better than the windows bootloader, but when you install grub-pc (and I would expect grub-efi) it asks you where it wants to be installed |
| 17:26.38 | grobda24 | somiaj: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:26.54 | grobda24 | ok |
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| 17:56.37 | RichiH | how can i increase the size of the root partition while the system is running? |
| 17:56.45 | RichiH | is quite certain that there's a way, but... |
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| 18:01.33 | adb | maybe remout it read only |
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| 18:06.43 | ompaul | RichiH: my research not knowledge says It should be noted that resizing an Ext4 partition while Linux is running is possible... just not the root partition |
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| 18:07.00 | ompaul | RichiH: I've never done it |
| 18:07.12 | BadCodSmell | How do I turn a debian 7 installer into a debian 6 installer then? |
| 18:07.32 | tech_ | running as root == russian roullette |
| 18:07.34 | jordanm | you can resize the root filesystem while the system is running |
| 18:07.46 | ompaul | tech_: bah humbug |
| 18:07.51 | jordanm | ext3/4 supports live resizing, but you need LVM to live resize the partition itself |
| 18:08.03 | tech_ | ompaul: live life to the fullest, eh? |
| 18:08.03 | ompaul | there's the catch |
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| 18:08.17 | ompaul | tech_: that and don't run as root unless you mean to |
| 18:08.25 | ompaul | tech_: CTRL D was invented for a reason :) |
| 18:08.26 | tech_ | true, true |
| 18:08.31 | tech_ | lol |
| 18:08.49 | ompaul | RichiH: see jordanm's comment |
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| 18:09.57 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 18:10.28 | wols | RichiH: remount read only, resize, remount again? |
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| 18:16.24 | _niCe_ | how can i find out why smp isn't working correctly? |
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| 18:18.24 | _niCe_ | [ 0.000000] SMP: Allowing 1 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs ... [ 0.026531] CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz stepping 05 |
| 18:18.39 | _niCe_ | cpu cores: 1 |
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| 18:19.04 | ompaul | _niCe_: http://paste.debian.net is a worthwhile place |
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| 18:19.15 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 18:19.19 | bluesm | Where I can find |
| 18:19.22 | bluesm | debian sid iso ? |
| 18:19.27 | bluesm | image? |
| 18:19.31 | ompaul | there is no such animal |
| 18:19.37 | ompaul | download testing and upgrade |
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| 18:19.52 | ompaul | it you think that is an upgrade :) |
| 18:19.59 | zykotick9 | ompaul: s/upgrade/migrate/ ;) |
| 18:20.02 | n0c | i got debian testing running on a netbook with fglrx-driver and I'm wondering if anyone knows how I can go about getting my virtual consoles to use the best resolution via framebuffer or something else... right now it switches video modes but i cannot see the prompts on the VC's |
| 18:20.24 | somiaj | bluesm: part of the nature of sid is images are not made for it |
| 18:20.39 | bluesm | ompaul: changing, source lists ? |
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| 18:20.48 | ompaul | bluesm: after the install yes |
| 18:20.54 | somiaj | bluesm: to install sid, upgrade from wheezy (or squeeze). If you have to ask how to install sid the common response is don't. |
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| 18:21.18 | ompaul | bluesm: also know, always do a dist-upgrade none of this safe upgrade stuff which WILL BREAK testing / SID |
| 18:21.22 | somiaj | bluesm: my prefered method is a stable netinstall -- install a base/minimial system, upgrade to sid, then install the rest of my software. |
| 18:21.47 | n0c | somiaj: i just did that myself.. although went to testing not unstable |
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| 18:21.50 | n0c | :D |
| 18:22.13 | ompaul | n0c: and one more jump and you have sid - btw you should only have two repos then |
| 18:22.27 | _niCe_ | ompaul - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/de7a62af/ |
| 18:22.31 | ompaul | even if you point to their contrib and non-free (all one line) etc |
| 18:22.34 | somiaj | n0c: there are reasons to use sid of testing. But most people who don't know debian well should stabelize with wheezy and not just jump to the next testing jessie (as such make sure you have wheezy and not testing in your sources.list) |
| 18:22.39 | ompaul | _niCe_: tell the channel not me |
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| 18:23.02 | somiaj | n0c: use sid instead of testing... |
| 18:23.03 | bluesm | somiaj: You install stable with old kernel ? |
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| 18:23.18 | _niCe_ | Can someone tell me what is going wrong? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/de7a62af/ looks like SMP isn't working, anyone with a idea? |
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| 18:23.39 | bluesm | This sources list are good to upgrade to sid ? http://paste.debian.net/216277/ |
| 18:23.48 | mattb | is there any way to change TTY font to OpenType font? |
| 18:23.49 | bluesm | and apt-get upgrade , right ? |
| 18:23.55 | somiaj | bluesm: Yes, the only real issue I have ran into is wireless support and I always make sure my laptops have a solid wired interface for stuff like this. |
| 18:24.22 | somiaj | bluesm: why do you want to upgrade to sid. when sid breaks your system are you going to be able to figure out what broke and fix it yourself with the BTS? |
| 18:25.19 | ompaul | _niCe_: interesting - I'd guess you are only using 1cpu atm run top and hit 1 |
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| 18:25.58 | n0c | somiaj: yeah i am on wheezy now |
| 18:26.02 | n0c | sid is better? |
| 18:26.04 | n0c | hm |
| 18:26.12 | _niCe_ | ompaul, that toggles throw CPU(s) and CPU0 |
| 18:26.15 | somiaj | bluesm: your questions just seem to say you don't understand how debian works with apt/dpkg and knowing how to resolve dependencies, downgrade or figure out how to fix the bugs you run across is important. Note once you install sid have fun (been running it for 10+ years here) but I have had many things break in the time |
| 18:26.39 | ompaul | _niCe_: is anymore than one running? |
| 18:26.45 | somiaj | n0c: as a rolling system over sticking with testing I think it is better. But if you want to stabalize with wheezy (because it supports all your needs) that is even better. |
| 18:26.51 | _niCe_ | ompaul no |
| 18:27.02 | ompaul | _niCe_: I'm guessing - so I guess it reports on how many cores are running |
| 18:27.19 | ompaul | _niCe_: fire off some intensive workloads and see how you go |
| 18:27.28 | somiaj | n0c: issues with testing is packages filter in though sid, and due to bugs, holds, etc some packages get held back. The transitions can be a bit rougher cause of this and you also get bug and security fixes far slower (10 days to over a month for them to filter though sid) |
| 18:27.45 | ompaul | _niCe_: and I'd like to know if my suspicion is right |
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| 18:28.04 | _niCe_ | ompaul how?, just installed the system haven't got any services on that i could start |
| 18:28.21 | ompaul | _niCe_: install the stress package or something |
| 18:28.25 | n0c | gotcha somiaj |
| 18:28.27 | somiaj | n0c: on the plus side, because packages filter though sid, you do get less 'ut oh that was just broken' packages cause those bugs are found by us sid users. |
| 18:28.27 | ompaul | be inventive you can remove it after |
| 18:28.28 | tech_ | n0c: sid is more cutting-edge (due to what somiaj just said) |
| 18:28.37 | n0c | i think i'll update my sources.list and run the full-upgrade |
| 18:28.56 | ompaul | n0c: NO dist-upgrade ALWAYS dist-upgrade |
| 18:29.08 | ompaul | there is never any safe upgrade if you go sid |
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| 18:29.10 | ompaul | or you break the box |
| 18:29.21 | tech_ | n0c: just be advised that there can be breakage when you run sid |
| 18:29.31 | somiaj | n0c: do it only because you think it is fun to watch sid break things. But if you want a functiong system that doens't break don't use sid (or testing) |
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| 18:29.38 | n0c | so after my :%s/wheezy/sid/g in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude update |
| 18:29.40 | tech_ | doesn't happen often, but it does occasionally happen |
| 18:29.43 | n0c | i should do aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 18:29.58 | somiaj | tech_: in aptitude full-upgrade is dist-upgrade. Also I always upgrade before I dist-upgrade in sid and prefer that method still (With apt-get) |
| 18:30.04 | ompaul | n0c: I'd go further and say apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:30.11 | n0c | tech_: somiaj i'm only using testing because of this lenovo x120e |
| 18:30.14 | _niCe_ | ompaul, now the cpu is running at 100% ^^ |
| 18:30.21 | somiaj | n0c: dist-upgrade is only left as a historical link. in aptitude 'full-upgrade' is the same thing |
| 18:30.25 | ompaul | _niCe_: and snmp says ... how many |
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| 18:30.32 | n0c | ok thanks somiaj |
| 18:30.38 | n0c | i'll boot to recovery and run this |
| 18:30.43 | tech_ | somiaj: I guess if it isn't broken... |
| 18:30.47 | ompaul | n0c: eh ... what |
| 18:30.49 | somiaj | n0c: well if you are fully supported in wheezy, my suggestion is to stablize with wheezy and use backports. Unless you really want to play with stuff and have fun figuring out the random breakage |
| 18:30.50 | ompaul | why |
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| 18:31.05 | ompaul | not why somiaj why n0c |
| 18:31.09 | n0c | so i can tear down gdm |
| 18:31.20 | n0c | again, i can't access virt consoles |
| 18:31.24 | n0c | in the current video config |
| 18:31.30 | n0c | framebuffer console isn't 'there' |
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| 18:31.34 | n0c | that's what i need to work |
| 18:31.49 | _niCe_ | ompaul how do you mean, i have to say "stress --cpu x" it doesn't tell me |
| 18:31.52 | somiaj | tech_: I just like to upgrade first, that way when I do a dist-upgrade (which is always right after) when packages start getting removed/added more bugs can appear and since I don't ugrade daily it helps me narrow down the breakage (when it breaks) |
| 18:31.53 | n0c | sound, wireless, lan, multitouch trackpad, bluetooth, etc everything else seems to work great.. |
| 18:32.13 | ompaul | _niCe_: you look at the snmp reporting and /proc/cpu |
| 18:32.17 | ompaul | has it changed? |
| 18:32.24 | tech_ | somiaj: that's pretty smart. maybe I should do it that way |
| 18:32.27 | somiaj | n0c: as of right now sid and wheezy are very very close, so you shouldn't notice much difference running sid over wheezy. |
| 18:33.13 | ompaul | thinks he has too much grey hair |
| 18:33.30 | esing | I want to install deluge; should I install all of its required dependiences into virtualenv to prevent python version conflicts? http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Source |
| 18:33.37 | somiaj | ompaul: a sign you have been helping people on irc for too long. (: |
| 18:33.43 | ompaul | somiaj: hehe |
| 18:33.59 | somiaj | esing: how are you wanting to install deluge? |
| 18:33.59 | ompaul | somiaj: oh I've only been on irc since 92 or 93 |
| 18:34.05 | _niCe_ | ompaul /proc/cpu? ... /proc/cpuinfo hasn't changed |
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| 18:34.18 | ompaul | 93 I switched away from windows and ain't looked back |
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| 18:34.44 | ompaul | takes a break |
| 18:34.53 | esing | somiaj: By this installation instruction: http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Source I thought about installing those many dependencies into a virtualenv (not sure if that works) |
| 18:35.03 | tech_ | somiaj: I do daily updates anyways. I'm kinda OCD about my system like that, I guess |
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| 18:35.40 | somiaj | tech_: once I have everythign working I leave it alone, so upgrades usually happen when I need to install new software (which is the first thing I do before installing new software) |
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| 18:36.50 | somiaj | esing: why not just install them into your main system? since you are building from source you just need those packages installed, and take the version that is provided for your release of debian. |
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| 18:38.44 | esing | somiaj: I worry that if I install other applications depended on different python version that version conflicts occure, therefor I wondered if it is possible to prevent this with a virtualenv |
| 18:38.53 | tech_ | somiaj: that's my problem right there. I can't stop fiddling with stuff |
| 18:38.54 | somiaj | esing: if for some reason you need a newer version of some of the depends than provided in squeeze (assuming that is the debian version you are on) you may have to backport them. |
| 18:39.24 | somiaj | esing: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:39.50 | somiaj | tech_: I was that way for years, but after a while I got what I liked and have no time to test new things |
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| 18:41.10 | esing | somiaj: Debian Testing |
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| 18:41.24 | tech_ | somiaj: I'm envious. Whenever I get a setup "just right" it stays that way for a while - but then the bug hits me and I have to experiment once again |
| 18:41.43 | esing | somiaj: I thought backports are used to get newer software on debian stable; So you say with backports I can also have different pythonversions running on the same system with no confclits? |
| 18:42.15 | somiaj | esing: I guess I don't follow you. Lets get some specifics cause I'm slow. What version of python does wheezy offer and what version do you need? |
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| 18:42.53 | somiaj | esing: you know wheezy kinda does this already with python2.6 and python2.7 packages |
| 18:43.17 | somiaj | esing: they are designed to live together and you can call one or the other by using python2.6 vs python2.7 (and then make one of them a default with the alternative system) |
| 18:43.47 | esing | somiaj: Well Iam aware of Python 2.6x, 2.7x and 3.x |
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| 18:44.48 | esing | I am not sure yet which python versions I need later, but Iam sure I would later have 3.x and 2,6x and 2,7 along running |
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| 18:45.23 | somiaj | esing: you have have them all installed side by side, just apt-get install the version you want |
| 18:45.56 | n0c | oh well |
| 18:45.58 | n0c | this is good enough |
| 18:46.22 | n0c | i got vconsoles back |
| 18:46.25 | somiaj | esing: I am not seeing any conflicts that will prevent that. You may have to use the alternatives system or explicty tell the software you are using what python version to use. |
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| 18:46.30 | n0c | not high resolution but whatever |
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| 18:47.26 | somiaj | n0c: what video card/driver? |
| 18:47.31 | somiaj | n0c: are you using kms? |
| 18:47.42 | n0c | radeon hd6310 |
| 18:47.55 | n0c | the one in the Brazos E-350 SoC |
| 18:48.00 | n0c | somiaj: how do i tell? |
| 18:48.06 | n0c | dkms? yes i think so |
| 18:48.19 | somiaj | n0c: are you using the free radeon driver (That will use kms and give you nice resolution in the consoles) |
| 18:48.26 | n0c | i can sacrifice standard vesa-type mode vconsole |
| 18:48.37 | n0c | i am using fglrx-driver |
| 18:48.48 | n0c | which i believe is the 'free' one you mention |
| 18:48.49 | somiaj | n0c: if you are using the non-free fglrx driver (sounds like it is) I don't think it has kms support and you may just want to stick with low res consoles to make that driver happy |
| 18:48.52 | n0c | let me check aptitude |
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| 18:49.02 | n0c | ah |
| 18:49.04 | somiaj | n0c: not it is not free, fglrx is the non-free one from ati |
| 18:49.11 | n0c | ok |
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| 18:50.02 | n0c | don't actually see the free in aptitude |
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| 18:50.37 | somiaj | that is because it is included in the linux-kernel and the xorg package xserver-xorg-video-radeon (or something like that) |
| 18:50.51 | ompaul | n0c: pastebin in http://paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:51.19 | ompaul | n0c: ignore me |
| 18:51.34 | n0c | xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 18:51.34 | somiaj | n0c: note you can only have one or the other, if you install linux-firmware-nonfree you can get some 3D support with the radeon driver, but some newer cards will just work better with the non-free fglrx driver (As it is provided by amd/ati) |
| 18:51.38 | n0c | is the free one i gues |
| 18:51.55 | n0c | yeah i am pretty sure i need to stick w fglrx |
| 18:52.01 | n0c | i have run with this same setup in the past |
| 18:52.33 | somiaj | in that case I would just accept low res consoles, as framebuffers can sometimes conflict with the non-free drivers (I know this to be true in nvidia land) |
| 18:52.39 | n0c | how do you make aptitude show you what files were installed with a package? |
| 18:52.43 | n0c | can't find the control app |
| 18:52.53 | somiaj | n0c: dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:53.01 | n0c | can't do it with aptitude? |
| 18:53.03 | somiaj | n0c: note that won't list config files that are generated via debconf. |
| 18:53.08 | n0c | ok |
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| 18:53.10 | n0c | thanks |
| 18:53.30 | n0c | /usr/bin/amdcccle |
| 18:53.32 | somiaj | n0c: aptitude is more a front end to dpkg. It deals with internet sources, depedences and logic to resolve dependency issues |
| 18:53.33 | n0c | ahh that's it |
| 18:53.35 | n0c | :) |
| 18:53.53 | somiaj | n0c: the actual package removing/installing is all done with dpkg (in the end) |
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| 18:53.59 | wols | somiaj: it IS a frontend |
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| 18:54.15 | somiaj | wols: with many advanced features. (: |
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| 18:54.41 | wols | still a frontned. the only program installing anything on debian is dpkg. ok, the installer too (udeb) |
| 18:54.41 | ompaul | apt-get is the command-line tool for handling packages, and may be considered the user's "back-end" to other tools using the APT library. Several "front-end" interfaces exist, |
| 18:54.43 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.43 | somiaj | wols: I guess to me it isn't a pure front end (as it is just another way at looking at the same features). All of the apt stuff cannot be done with dpkg alone. |
| 18:55.06 | ompaul | wins that one |
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| 18:55.40 | somiaj | hands ompaul a cookie |
| 18:55.46 | ompaul | nom and thanks |
| 18:56.18 | n0c | i have abandoned apt-get |
| 18:56.34 | n0c | i only use aptitude because of the better dependency handling |
| 18:56.58 | somiaj | n0c: there are situations where apt-gets logic is better. espically with upgrades, so always best to use the suggested on in the release notes |
| 18:57.01 | n0c | now to install flash |
| 18:57.04 | n0c | coughs |
| 18:57.05 | ompaul | n0c: funny I've been running teh sid and don't have the world collapse on me unless I do the jump on the wrong night from 32 to 64 bit |
| 18:57.29 | ompaul | n0c: happy waste of clock cycles and open portal to abuse of your machine |
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| 18:58.01 | n0c | oh, it just works |
| 18:58.05 | w6fu | can someone help with a preseed question? |
| 18:58.05 | n0c | in iceweasel on youtube |
| 18:58.07 | n0c | good deal |
| 18:58.18 | n0c | ompaul: yeah i am on 32 bit on this mahcine |
| 18:58.42 | ompaul | !ask |
| 18:58.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:58.43 | w6fu | trying to load an ethernet driver, tg3, and I can't seem to figure out how to answer this question with preseed |
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| 18:58.47 | n0c | i can see all 6gb of ram so i have no other reason to use x64 |
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| 18:59.31 | w6fu | here's a screenshot http://pastebin.com/8VykDn6d |
| 18:59.41 | ompaul | w6fu: you need the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 19:01.05 | w6fu | okay, makes senseÂ… I'm trying to figure out where to answer the question instead |
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| 19:02.37 | ompaul | w6fu: read the example it almost does it for ya # Individual additional packages to install |
| 19:02.56 | ompaul | w6fu: obviously needs contrib and non-free repos |
| 19:03.07 | w6fu | have those already |
| 19:03.20 | ompaul | w6fu: well then that's where |
| 19:03.31 | ompaul | how did I work it out apt-cache search tg3 |
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| 19:03.59 | _jeek | Disabling keep-alive in IIS seems to have resolved the issue, just waiting for final confirmation. |
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| 19:04.13 | ompaul | w6fu: and if you don't think it is spying to support your own infrastructure you should consider popularity contest |
| 19:04.17 | w6fu | i opened up initrd.gz and found it eventually :) |
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| 19:09.47 | tsccof | how can I install packages from the rescue mode? |
| 19:09.55 | tsccof | packages that are in the DVD |
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| 19:10.38 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: What have you tried so far? |
| 19:10.44 | tsccof | apt-install |
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| 19:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: Since that doesn't exist in Debian... |
| 19:11.25 | tsccof | it does |
| 19:11.32 | tsccof | it is in the live environment |
| 19:11.37 | tsccof | booting from the DVD's rescue mode |
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| 19:14.57 | tsccof | how can I install packages there? |
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| 19:17.29 | Sjors | tsccof: use apt-get install, not apt-install |
| 19:17.46 | Sjors | tsccof: if you want to use the terminal |
| 19:18.04 | tsccof | apt-get is not available in the rescue mode, is it? |
| 19:18.11 | tsccof | at least the auto-completion does not indicate it |
| 19:18.15 | Sjors | AFAIK it should be |
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| 19:18.32 | Sjors | but I barely ever use the rescue mode |
| 19:18.53 | tsccof | well, I will try using apt-get.. i didn't see it there, but I will try |
| 19:19.02 | tsccof | thanks, if I need further help, I will be back soon |
| 19:19.06 | tsccof | thanks a lot |
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| 19:33.34 | jhutchins_wk | What exactly does "rescue mode" entail on debian? I've seen it be busybox, I've seen it mount the filesystems read-only, and I've seen it be normal single-user (console) mode, depending on the distron and the release. |
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| 19:34.26 | grobda24 | jhutchins_wk: using the install cd ? |
| 19:35.48 | RichiH | jordanm, ompaul: yeah, i know how to do it with lvm :p |
| 19:35.53 | RichiH | alas... |
| 19:36.10 | RichiH | wols: it's not about the file system, it's about the partition size |
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| 19:36.43 | tsccof | I'm back, apt-get isn't there |
| 19:37.03 | RichiH | goorekhar: you win the prize for the most random comment of the month |
| 19:37.16 | RichiH | gz! |
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| 19:39.40 | ompaul | goorekhar: excuse the stupidity in me, how is that a debian question? |
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| 19:43.57 | Paul_E | I am trying to use PDO odbc to declare a variable in SQL and then in a subsequent execute, use that variable. The variable is not recognized unless it's sent in the same SQL statement as the original. Does anyone know if this is a limitation of ODBC in general or is the underlying DB drivers? |
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| 19:44.14 | Paul_E | whoops.. wrong channel :D |
| 19:44.28 | SarahAnne | Is there something wrong with APT |
| 19:44.40 | SarahAnne | I'm getting a "no installable kernal was found" error |
| 19:44.52 | SarahAnne | when trying to install AMD64netinstall 6.06 |
| 19:45.56 | n0c | any gnome3 users know how to resize the 'thickness' of the gnome theme's window title bar? it's very huge by default for the adwaita theme |
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| 19:47.31 | n0c | might be toolbar-icons-size in the dconf / freedesktop gnome portion |
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| 19:52.38 | w6fu | ompaul: that doesn't seem to workÂ… seems the question comes up while configuring the kernel, before the packages are installed |
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| 19:54.38 | n0c | getting lots of this when trying to launch apps in gnome on debian wheezy : http://hastebin.com/nutowokuqi.vbs |
| 19:54.40 | ompaul | w6fu: I've seen it looked for on many a box but never a failure because of it |
| 19:54.47 | n0c | anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:54.56 | ompaul | n0c: a little clue |
| 19:54.56 | n0c | would be nice to be able to run this damn email client! :P |
| 19:55.04 | ompaul | n0c: paste.debian.net is trusted |
| 19:55.08 | n0c | ok |
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| 19:55.22 | n0c | hastebin.com is the fastest ive seen but i'll keep that in mind |
| 19:55.27 | ompaul | n0c: you are apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgarde |
| 19:55.33 | ompaul | ed |
| 19:55.42 | ompaul | dist-upgrade even |
| 19:56.36 | n0c | i'm on a wheezy install after doing a aptitude full-upgrade after changing sources last night |
| 19:57.38 | n0c | root@pulsar:/home/n0c# aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:57.38 | n0c | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 20:12.32 | SarahAnne | can someone help me |
| 20:12.38 | SarahAnne | for some reason apt cant find a kernal to install |
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| 20:13.45 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: Did you search for "linux-image" ? |
| 20:14.00 | SarahAnne | im in the install process |
| 20:14.05 | OctopusGirl | If you're running wheezy then you're most likely using the latest kernel. |
| 20:14.20 | SarahAnne | im attempting to install 6.06 to a amd64 computer |
| 20:14.31 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Exactly what screen are you on and what message are you seeing that makes you think this is the problem? |
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| 20:15.00 | SarahAnne | I'm getting a "no installable kernal was found" error |
| 20:15.08 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Also is this a net install or are you installing from local media (if so, what)? |
| 20:15.15 | SarahAnne | i have tried both netinstall |
| 20:15.17 | SarahAnne | as well as cd1 |
| 20:15.39 | SarahAnne | i am downloading the live version to see if that works |
| 20:16.05 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: That wont allow you to install it. |
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| 20:16.12 | OctopusGirl | You would have to dd it to your drive. lol |
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| 20:16.38 | SarahAnne | it says you can install it from the live here http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 20:16.46 | OctopusGirl | O.o |
| 20:16.48 | OctopusGirl | okies :3 |
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| 20:17.25 | SarahAnne | kinda confused by all this |
| 20:17.27 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: I thought the live's were all hybrids that could install these days... |
| 20:17.30 | SarahAnne | never ran into this problem before |
| 20:18.06 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Could just be a problem with the network or the mirror you were on. |
| 20:18.16 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: Obviously I'm a dumb stupid noob with a penis on top. lol |
| 20:18.18 | SarahAnne | yeah i was wondering if i can change the mirror slection |
| 20:18.25 | marryjusz | guys i instaled bumblebee using synaptic and after compiling new kernel id doesnt work on it how should i deal with it? |
| 20:18.35 | SarahAnne | was trying to find an option to change the mirror in the installer |
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| 20:18.39 | SarahAnne | maybe i missed it |
| 20:19.25 | SarahAnne | this is going to be my dedicated minecraft server |
| 20:19.29 | SarahAnne | so people are yelling at me to get it working |
| 20:19.39 | OctopusGirl | O.o |
| 20:19.59 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Ok, I've verified that it's not just you, this has been known to happen. |
| 20:20.04 | SarahAnne | oh dears |
| 20:20.19 | SarahAnne | yeah kinda need a kernal |
| 20:20.22 | SarahAnne | not really an optional thing |
| 20:21.11 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: See this: http://houseoflaudanum.com/navigate/howtos/no-installable-kernel-was-found-in-the-defined-apt-sources/ (Don't try it yet please) |
| 20:21.53 | SarahAnne | alright one sec |
| 20:22.00 | SarahAnne | i need to get to that point again |
| 20:22.19 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: but i've used netinstall without a network, and i've gotten a kernel/working system? |
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| 20:23.08 | OctopusGirl | zykotick9: Same here. |
| 20:23.12 | OctopusGirl | Infact... |
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| 20:23.23 | OctopusGirl | it doesn't require a network for a base installation. |
| 20:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: I also see multiple suggestions that you can just ignore this and go on - hit (type?) yes and continue. |
| 20:23.39 | SarahAnne | yeah it doesnt work when you do that |
| 20:23.40 | SarahAnne | tried that |
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| 20:23.46 | SarahAnne | you end up with a system with no kernal |
| 20:23.56 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Since you could boot to a live CD and chroot to fix it if it was a real problem, I'm inclined to try that. |
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| 20:24.18 | SarahAnne | i wonder |
| 20:24.27 | SarahAnne | since the netinstall does have a base system on it |
| 20:24.39 | SarahAnne | if i disconnect this computer from the internet will it just install the kernal thats on the install medium |
| 20:24.43 | SarahAnne | instead of trying to get it through apt |
| 20:24.46 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: I would speculate that if you had a problem with the remote repo after it had selected one it wouldn't fall back gracefully. |
| 20:24.54 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: Wont make any difference. |
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| 20:24.59 | SarahAnne | or better yet use cd1 |
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| 20:25.10 | OctopusGirl | Just use cd1. |
| 20:25.14 | SarahAnne | i tried that |
| 20:25.16 | SarahAnne | same issue |
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| 20:25.30 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: As long as the md5sums are good you should be ok. |
| 20:26.19 | jhutchins_wk | The problem with installer problems is that most users don't run the installer very often - usually only once. |
| 20:26.40 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: So same error from multiple boot media? |
| 20:26.46 | SarahAnne | yep |
| 20:26.52 | SarahAnne | cds and flash drive |
| 20:26.59 | SarahAnne | two different iso's |
| 20:27.02 | SarahAnne | the cd1 and the netinstall |
| 20:27.08 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Yeah, different iso's. |
| 20:27.14 | SarahAnne | i did try a cd as well |
| 20:27.18 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: 32 or 64? |
| 20:27.21 | SarahAnne | 64 |
| 20:27.28 | SarahAnne | it is a amd atholon x2 |
| 20:27.31 | SarahAnne | a little older |
| 20:27.33 | SarahAnne | but not that old |
| 20:27.42 | SarahAnne | and i have another x2 that runs debian just fine |
| 20:27.45 | jhutchins_wk | You could try installing 32, but there's no upgrade path. |
| 20:27.58 | SarahAnne | i am currently writing the live dvd to my flash drive |
| 20:28.00 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Yeah, this should work. I'd try just continuing. |
| 20:28.02 | SarahAnne | and thats a hybrid |
| 20:28.09 | SarahAnne | i tried just continuing |
| 20:28.13 | SarahAnne | you end up stuck at grub |
| 20:28.18 | SarahAnne | cause you dont have a kernal |
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| 20:29.03 | jhutchins_wk | Wait, where did you try to install grub? |
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| 20:29.16 | SarahAnne | it automatically installed it |
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| 20:31.24 | Jumx | Hey, anyone able to help with setting up failover IPs? |
| 20:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | Problem is common to Debian & Ubuntu, may be particular to amd64. |
| 20:32.05 | Jumx | I get "Failed to bring up eth0. " error - everything seems to work though... |
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| 20:34.06 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: It should ask you where, and /dev/sda2 is not the correct answer. |
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| 20:35.02 | jhutchins_wk | Jumx: "failover IPs" is not a specific enough concept. Please provide details of what you're actually doing. |
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| 20:35.34 | Jumx | jhutchins_wk: I purchased an extra IP on my debian server, which is a failover IP, which I am trying to set up |
| 20:35.35 | tech_ | jhutchins_wk: maybe you should tell her about using UUID's instead of /dev/xxx |
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| 20:35.43 | jhutchins_wk | Problem appears to include i386 architecture as well, although I'm seeing things that suggest 6.0.3 is installing a 3.x kernel? |
| 20:35.45 | SarahAnne | no problems yet |
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| 20:35.59 | SarahAnne | i was using 6.06 |
| 20:36.06 | SarahAnne | although this hybrid is 6.05 |
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| 20:36.30 | jhutchins_wk | tech_: Generally grub install prefers devices to UUIDs, besides which the device (MBR) does not have a UUID afik. Only filesystems have those. |
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| 20:36.55 | tech_ | jhutchins_wk: okay, good point |
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| 20:37.44 | jhutchins_wk | tech_: The installer iirc uses devices during the install, then updates the fstab with UUIDs, inserting comments like "foo was /dev/sdg7 during install". |
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| 20:38.43 | tech_ | jhutchins_wk: yeah, that's how my install went |
| 20:38.46 | SarahAnne | well darn |
| 20:38.48 | SarahAnne | it didnt work |
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| 20:39.21 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Didn't install or failed to fail? |
| 20:39.27 | SarahAnne | didnt install |
| 20:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | Ok. |
| 20:39.38 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: Did you continue? |
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| 20:39.51 | SarahAnne | its trying again |
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| 20:41.41 | SarahAnne | is there a way to change the repo in the install |
| 20:42.23 | SarahAnne | alright i am back to the installer menu |
| 20:42.28 | SarahAnne | is there a command i can run to fix this? |
| 20:43.44 | SarahAnne | continue brought me back to the menu i mean |
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| 20:44.50 | Theoden | SarahAnne: Sorry - I came in late. Is this wheezy? Graphical installer? |
| 20:45.08 | SarahAnne | ehh well its happened on three isos now |
| 20:45.22 | SarahAnne | 6.06netinstall, 6.06 cd1, and 6.05live |
| 20:45.28 | SarahAnne | it cant find a kernal |
| 20:45.31 | Theoden | Graphical installer? |
| 20:45.39 | SarahAnne | this time yes it is the graphical |
| 20:45.42 | SarahAnne | the other times no |
| 20:46.16 | Theoden | Hmm - I had similar problems with the graphical installer, but the non-graphical installer worked great. |
| 20:46.28 | SarahAnne | those are the ones i tired first |
| 20:46.34 | SarahAnne | this is my first time using the graphical installer |
| 20:46.36 | Theoden | nods |
| 20:46.38 | SarahAnne | and those didnt work either |
| 20:46.48 | SarahAnne | im getting a wee bit flustered |
| 20:47.09 | Theoden | Wirelkess install or wired? |
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| 20:47.14 | SarahAnne | wired |
| 20:47.14 | Theoden | wireless |
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| 20:47.32 | Theoden | Weird |
| 20:48.11 | SarahAnne | if i change my repos in software sources will that affect the installer |
| 20:48.15 | SarahAnne | cause that may be the issue |
| 20:48.17 | SarahAnne | is the repo |
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| 20:54.55 | rob``` | can i limit the download rate when installing from the netinst iso? |
| 20:55.37 | tech_ | rob```: I don't think so |
| 20:56.22 | tech_ | SarahAnne: What are you installing from? |
| 20:56.32 | SarahAnne | both cd and live usb |
| 20:56.35 | SarahAnne | same issue on both |
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| 20:57.41 | tech_ | SarahAnne: are you using the graphical installer, or the console-based one? |
| 20:57.48 | SarahAnne | both |
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| 20:58.55 | tech_ | SarahAnne: Do you know for a fact that you have a good copy (did you do a MD5 sum check)? That happened to me one time |
| 20:59.03 | SarahAnne | yes |
| 20:59.10 | SarahAnne | the cd was a clean burn |
| 20:59.16 | SarahAnne | and i checked it |
| 20:59.20 | SarahAnne | as well as the usb |
| 21:00.19 | SarahAnne | been fighting with this since last night |
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| 21:02.05 | tech_ | SarahAnne: the only thing I can think of is either (a) you may have missed a step or (b) there is something wrong with your HD. If you've been at it all night them I'm doubting that you missed a step. Is the HD is good condition? |
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| 21:02.15 | SarahAnne | yep |
| 21:02.22 | SarahAnne | just took it out of a computer where it was working |
| 21:02.30 | SarahAnne | and it was running windows just fine beforehand |
| 21:02.33 | SarahAnne | my dad had windows on it |
| 21:02.35 | OctopusGirl | Curtain falls |
| 21:02.42 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne's curtains hell |
| 21:02.44 | OctopusGirl | is listening to Blue - Curtain Falls |
| 21:02.48 | OctopusGirl | s/hell/fell |
| 21:03.01 | SarahAnne | yeah i know windows eww |
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| 21:04.14 | SarahAnne | but yes the drive is in good shape |
| 21:04.21 | tech_ | SarahAnne: I've heard Windows tends to be a little more lenient on HD errors than Linux, so (if it's true) I wouldn't count out that possibility just yet. |
| 21:04.41 | SarahAnne | well it also was running in a linux machine after being taken out of the windows machine |
| 21:04.43 | SarahAnne | for all of two weeks |
| 21:04.43 | OctopusGirl | tech_: lol, no? |
| 21:04.49 | SarahAnne | it was being used as a backup hard drive |
| 21:04.50 | OctopusGirl | Windows sux with drive error.s :/ |
| 21:04.55 | OctopusGirl | always BSODs on em. |
| 21:05.00 | edju | Running 64-bit Wheezy. I tried to install Quicken into Crossover, but I evidently need the 32-bit libs. However, ia32-libs depends on ia-32-libs-386 which is "not installable." Any way around this? |
| 21:05.07 | OctopusGirl | Linux is better with em. Linux just ignores em. |
| 21:05.34 | SarahAnne | i think thats more of a crossover issue |
| 21:05.47 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: well, I can't think of any other reason why she's having issues |
| 21:06.07 | SarahAnne | as much as i hate to say it i may have to try a different distro |
| 21:06.16 | SarahAnne | kinda annoying cause all my other servers are debian |
| 21:06.17 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: Are you sure you fscked the HD? |
| 21:06.20 | SarahAnne | and ill have this one non-debian server |
| 21:06.29 | OctopusGirl | tech_: If really bad then yes the drive can cause problems with linux. lol |
| 21:06.49 | OctopusGirl | but I've found Windows is too sensative to HD errors that it's silly. |
| 21:07.04 | SarahAnne | the drive is healthy |
| 21:07.22 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: and fsck told you this? |
| 21:07.25 | SarahAnne | yes |
| 21:07.29 | OctopusGirl | Okay. |
| 21:07.39 | SarahAnne | i booted up my gparted live disc and checked it |
| 21:07.45 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: it's probably something to do with the mainboard then. |
| 21:07.58 | SarahAnne | yeah im going to try a different distro |
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| 21:08.07 | SarahAnne | to see if it isnt something with debian |
| 21:08.15 | SarahAnne | im wondering if there is an issue with the repo it keeps defaulting me to |
| 21:08.15 | OctopusGirl | lol |
| 21:08.24 | SarahAnne | and i cant change the repo in the install |
| 21:08.27 | SarahAnne | or at least i dont see how |
| 21:08.35 | OctopusGirl | I have a computer where every single version of Windows/DOS wont run on it tech_. |
| 21:08.52 | tech_ | SarahAnne: actually, I'd be interested to see if another distro installs with no problems |
| 21:08.52 | OctopusGirl | but Linux runs perfectly fine on it. |
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| 21:09.07 | SarahAnne | ive had issues with the repo before |
| 21:09.21 | SarahAnne | i wonder if my isp is fucking something up |
| 21:09.22 | OctopusGirl | The repo is perfectly fine actually. |
| 21:09.24 | SarahAnne | opps sorry |
| 21:09.26 | SarahAnne | didnt mean to swear |
| 21:09.28 | gnarface | SarahAnne: try expert mode |
| 21:09.30 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: meh, you drive just knows what's good for it |
| 21:09.38 | OctopusGirl | lol tech_ |
| 21:09.59 | OctopusGirl | I have a computer here with a broken BIOS. Boots fine, BIOS no accessible |
| 21:10.03 | SarahAnne | well im going to feel really icky saying this |
| 21:10.11 | SarahAnne | but its just going to be running minecraft |
| 21:10.16 | SarahAnne | im going to try to install ubuntu server |
| 21:10.20 | OctopusGirl | tech_: The BIOS is full of beer |
| 21:10.22 | SarahAnne | ewwy |
| 21:10.23 | tech_ | LOL |
| 21:10.26 | OctopusGirl | Stupid father of mine :/ |
| 21:10.37 | tech_ | oops |
| 21:10.48 | OctopusGirl | Oh I know I will stick a bag of beer cans on top of your laptop |
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| 21:10.52 | OctopusGirl | guess what? |
| 21:10.59 | OctopusGirl | there was a hole in one of the cans. :/ |
| 21:11.03 | SarahAnne | oh dear |
| 21:11.09 | SarahAnne | have fun with that |
| 21:11.13 | OctopusGirl | broke the keyboard |
| 21:11.17 | OctopusGirl | broke the BIOS |
| 21:11.24 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: I won't even allow food around my machines. Paranoid of exactly what happened to you |
| 21:11.24 | SarahAnne | frak |
| 21:11.26 | OctopusGirl | broke the CMOS, broke many things |
| 21:11.33 | SarahAnne | oh gawd |
| 21:11.34 | SarahAnne | oh gawd |
| 21:11.35 | OctopusGirl | tech_: Same here but I didn't know he put it there. |
| 21:11.36 | SarahAnne | thats bad |
| 21:11.43 | OctopusGirl | He did it behind my back |
| 21:11.54 | SarahAnne | see thats why i tend to put my laptop on a stand and use a external keyboard and mouse |
| 21:12.06 | SarahAnne | so if at worse i damage a $20 keyboard |
| 21:12.11 | tech_ | nice |
| 21:12.13 | OctopusGirl | lol |
| 21:12.17 | SarahAnne | i only use my laptop as a laptop when i really have to |
| 21:12.25 | OctopusGirl | I purposely break Apple stuff cause... |
| 21:12.28 | OctopusGirl | I hate Apple |
| 21:12.31 | tech_ | lol |
| 21:12.41 | SarahAnne | soo hmm the unbuntu server install is working |
| 21:12.46 | SarahAnne | i dont know how i feel about that |
| 21:12.54 | OctopusGirl | in my box of electronic scraps is lots of chewed up Apple earphones and a ripped apart iPhone. |
| 21:13.03 | tech_ | not much of a ubuntu fan myself |
| 21:13.05 | SarahAnne | i am very reluctantly installing it |
| 21:13.08 | SarahAnne | neither am i |
| 21:13.18 | SarahAnne | well i guess im a fan of linux mint |
| 21:13.22 | OctopusGirl | Don't use Ubuntu SarahAnne! |
| 21:13.23 | SarahAnne | lmde specifically |
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| 21:13.28 | gnarface | SarahAnne: then don't. if it works and squeeze doesn't its probably just a kernel version difference. try the kmuto installer |
| 21:13.29 | OctopusGirl | unless you have a powerful computer. |
| 21:13.37 | tech_ | I see nothing wrong with mint |
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| 21:13.51 | SarahAnne | i like linux mint debian edition |
| 21:13.53 | SarahAnne | best of both worlds |
| 21:13.54 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: lxde? |
| 21:14.01 | OctopusGirl | no such thing as lmde. lol |
| 21:14.06 | SarahAnne | also yay gnome2 |
| 21:14.11 | SarahAnne | i love mate |
| 21:14.13 | OctopusGirl | SarahAnne: I liked gnome2 |
| 21:14.17 | SarahAnne | cause i will never use gnome3 |
| 21:14.21 | tech_ | thinking of going with a tiling wm, just not sure which one to try |
| 21:14.22 | OctopusGirl | they spoiled gnome3 |
| 21:14.26 | SarahAnne | and im glad someone started a branch |
| 21:14.32 | OctopusGirl | tech_: dwm/i3 |
| 21:14.34 | SarahAnne | of gnome2 |
| 21:14.35 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: they sure did |
| 21:14.36 | SarahAnne | called mate |
| 21:14.40 | SarahAnne | also it installed |
| 21:14.41 | SarahAnne | yay |
| 21:14.52 | tech_ | good |
| 21:14.54 | SarahAnne | time to get the minecraft back up so people can stop complaining to me |
| 21:14.57 | OctopusGirl | tech_: Use dwm/i3 |
| 21:15.14 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: thx. looking it up now |
| 21:15.29 | OctopusGirl | tech_: I don't have an X server. |
| 21:15.36 | tech_ | btw, does it use Lisp for the configuration? |
| 21:15.45 | OctopusGirl | Xorg/Xvesa uses up my CPU. |
| 21:15.59 | OctopusGirl | tech_: No sure. |
| 21:16.03 | OctopusGirl | dwm is C I think. |
| 21:16.21 | tech_ | okay, something a little more familiar. great! |
| 21:16.21 | OctopusGirl | i3 has external config files so you don't have to edit the source code. |
| 21:16.44 | OctopusGirl | "I think" |
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| 21:16.51 | OctopusGirl | it may not be C. |
| 21:16.52 | tech_ | that's okay, too |
| 21:17.18 | tech_ | i love my KDE, just don't like the bloat |
| 21:17.19 | OctopusGirl | I prefered the external configs of i3 plus I was able to make i3 look and function like dwm. |
| 21:17.40 | tech_ | okay, think I'll try i3 |
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| 21:17.49 | OctopusGirl | I found KDE on it's own not to be bloated. It's just when it installs all the KDE apps. :/ |
| 21:17.53 | OctopusGirl | but... |
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| 21:18.06 | OctopusGirl | KDE can hog a bit even tho they fixed the hog it can still hog. |
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| 21:18.11 | tech_ | indeed. got rid of kmail immediately and started using mutt |
| 21:18.24 | OctopusGirl | I use alpine. |
| 21:18.33 | OctopusGirl | I can't run kmail |
| 21:18.38 | OctopusGirl | SPARC |
| 21:18.46 | tech_ | you're not missing anything, trust me |
| 21:18.58 | Ir0nman | how do i set java 1.7 to be used as default |
| 21:19.00 | OctopusGirl | Sun Sparc IPX |
| 21:19.06 | Ir0nman | java -version is showing me im using 1.6 |
| 21:19.19 | tech_ | OctopusGirl: I'm envious |
| 21:19.22 | OctopusGirl | tech_: ? |
| 21:19.24 | OctopusGirl | What? |
| 21:19.43 | tech_ | I've always wanted to get my hands on a SPARC machine, for for the heck of it |
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| 21:19.57 | OctopusGirl | tech_: Same here! |
| 21:20.01 | tech_ | I'm a notorious tinkerer |
| 21:20.11 | OctopusGirl | I want the Sun Sparc IPX cause Arpanet used them. |
| 21:20.29 | tech_ | I thought you had one, lol |
| 21:20.35 | OctopusGirl | tech_: I have seen what's on the ARPANET servers. |
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| 21:20.58 | OctopusGirl | tech_: No I don't have one but I wanty! :D |
| 21:21.05 | LtL | and now back to regular scheduled 'programming' ;) |
| 21:21.05 | OctopusGirl | the Sun Sparc IPX. |
| 21:21.18 | OctopusGirl | tech_: I have a poop system |
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| 21:21.35 | tech_ | The first production machine I ever worked with was about the size of a refrigerator. no joke. |
| 21:21.52 | OctopusGirl | tech_: The Sun Sparc IPX is a quite cool... |
| 21:21.57 | OctopusGirl | it's like in modules... |
| 21:22.01 | OctopusGirl | you have your main box |
| 21:22.07 | OctopusGirl | the thing containing the mainboard |
| 21:22.09 | OctopusGirl | then... |
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| 21:22.18 | OctopusGirl | you have your floppy drive external |
| 21:22.21 | LtL | note, there is a #debian-offtopic channel. thank you :) |
| 21:22.27 | OctopusGirl | tape drive cd-rom drive |
| 21:22.37 | OctopusGirl | all external and they stack up onto each other |
| 21:22.49 | tech_ | heh, I think that was a hint to stay on topic |
| 21:22.54 | OctopusGirl | but when stacked it's tinier than a tower box. |
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| 21:23.17 | OctopusGirl | tech_: Join the channel :( |
| 21:23.23 | OctopusGirl | I like this convo |
| 21:23.53 | OctopusGirl | tech_: Pls? |
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| 21:25.49 | Ir0nman | anyone can help changing my default java env |
| 21:26.05 | Ir0nman | i have 1.7 installed still showing 1.6 when i type java -version |
| 21:26.23 | LtL | Ir0nman: not sure but you might try update-alternatives |
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| 21:29.56 | diamonds | can I install http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vim via apt-get? |
| 21:30.15 | diamonds | I've tried searching for vim7.3 or vim73 etc. in apt-cache |
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| 21:30.41 | diamonds | also wondering why I keep gettng this during install: |
| 21:30.42 | diamonds | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 21:30.42 | diamonds | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.42 | diamonds | in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter |
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| 21:31.23 | LtL | diamonds: comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:31.36 | diamonds | LtL: thank you |
| 21:33.30 | diamonds | do you know how I might install the package posted above? |
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| 21:36.17 | LtL | diamonds: sorry was called away, that would require a wheezy source line, not sure if that's a good idea. i think pinning is what you might want. /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 22:09.22 | Sanjuro | trying to install debian net install on an ancient laptop, goes to detecting hardware after creating user / pass then blue screen no activity cant even eject CD |
| 22:09.37 | Sanjuro | I can control+c it and it tried to detect hardware again and goes back to the blue screen |
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| 22:11.26 | Sanjuro | nm guess it was just working silently |
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| 22:17.20 | jhutchins_wk | No problem with exaile, problem is with the URI for the stream I was trying to play. |
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| 22:18.52 | kaosu | it is always a fun day when writing a simple little script to make work easier turned into a 8,000 line script. But, hey, at least it can now automate most of the work. So, I hope to save some time in the future. |
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| 22:27.46 | marc_smith | hi all. I removed [--purge] GRUB2 [grub-pc and co.], but still i get this file remaining '/boot/grub/setup_left_core_image_in_filesystem' and I get info from apt-get that file '"/var/lib/os-prober"' could not be removed, because the directory was not empty [there's only file names 'labels' there]/ How can I get rid of it all, to be sure it's cleanly uninstalled? |
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| 22:28.18 | bluesm | Hi |
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| 22:28.40 | bluesm | how to install ia32-libs |
| 22:28.54 | bluesm | if I get the error --- The following packages have unmet dependencies: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 22:28.57 | OctopusGirl | bluesm: apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 22:29.02 | bluesm | Just after installing wheezy. |
| 22:29.20 | zykotick9 | bluesm: i doubt ia32-libs is supported in wheezy... |
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| 22:29.41 | bluesm | zykotick9: I do have to upgrade to sid ? |
| 22:29.51 | OctopusGirl | bluesm: Don't |
| 22:29.54 | zykotick9 | bluesm: not supported in sid either... |
| 22:29.58 | OctopusGirl | just get it from the sid repos |
| 22:30.01 | OctopusGirl | er... |
| 22:30.04 | zykotick9 | bluesm: multiarch... |
| 22:30.04 | OctopusGirl | squeeze repos |
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| 22:30.21 | OctopusGirl | change all the wheezy words to squeeze in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.26 | OctopusGirl | then apt-get update |
| 22:30.35 | OctopusGirl | Don't forget to change back! |
| 22:30.39 | bluesm | mhm |
| 22:31.04 | bluesm | Why I have to do it, Why there is no repo in wheezy ? |
| 22:31.15 | OctopusGirl | bluesm: You're on the latest version of Debian. |
| 22:31.31 | OctopusGirl | it has a repo |
| 22:31.42 | OctopusGirl | but... |
| 22:32.01 | OctopusGirl | if you want that lib then you will have to get it from the squeeze repos. |
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| 22:32.30 | OctopusGirl | I wanted the latest version of idjc when I was on squeeze but I had to either compile it or get it from the wheezy repos. lol |
| 22:32.57 | OctopusGirl | sid is older than wheezy btw. |
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| 22:34.09 | OctopusGirl | zykotick9: Is it safe to upgrade to jessie? O.o |
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| 22:35.32 | bluesm | http://paste.debian.net/216328/ |
| 22:36.02 | bluesm | I'm just trying to install sdk for android... |
| 22:37.07 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: wheezy is testing. It's not ready for release yet. |
| 22:37.52 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: Mixing releases is significantly worse than running sid, expect breakage, do NOT expect support. |
| 22:38.00 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: Is it safe to upgrade to jessie? |
| 22:38.17 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: There is no jessie. |
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| 22:38.29 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: According to the topic their is. |
| 22:38.58 | bluesm | jhutchins_wk: So downgrade to stable ? |
| 22:40.00 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: There is squeeze (stable, released), wheezy (testing, not ready yet), and then there are the software repository where packages proposed to fix wheezy go, sid (unstable, not a release candidate) and experimental, where completely new packages that MIGHT be ready for sid go. |
| 22:40.20 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: jessie will not exist until wheezy is released. |
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| 22:40.42 | OctopusGirl | but jhutchins_wk... |
| 22:40.46 | OctopusGirl | wheezy works fine! :D |
| 22:40.49 | OctopusGirl | 100% |
| 22:40.50 | OctopusGirl | O.o |
| 22:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: No, not 100%. You do not run 100% of the packages on 100% of the supported hardware. Consulte the RC Bugs. When they are closed wheezy will be ready for release. In the process of closing them, it's likely that wheezy will break. |
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| 22:42.11 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: wheezy also does not receive timely security updates. |
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| 22:43.11 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: But... I like it :( |
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| 22:43.38 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: When jessie is out will squeeze go out of support? :o |
| 22:44.05 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: Well, fine for you, and run it all you like. You can even recommend it to new users as long as you warn them that it may break and is not official yet. |
| 22:44.41 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: stable becomes oldstable when testing becomes stable; it is usually supported for one year after that (some of us are trying to get that extended). |
| 22:45.51 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: When the new testing is created it's likely to be pretty broken, and very likely to break often and badly when it's young. |
| 22:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: wheezy is frozen now, which means only bug fixes are updated, but it still can be broken in the process of trying to fix RC bugs. |
| 22:46.44 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: So I should wait for a bit before I upgrade to jessie once it's out?! :o |
| 22:46.54 | OctopusGirl | I just want my distro to have a nice girls name. :D |
| 22:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: Highly recommended. |
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| 22:47.19 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: sid will also become more unstable as new packages not meant for frozen wheezy get uploaded. |
| 22:48.03 | OctopusGirl | O.o |
| 22:48.40 | OctopusGirl | jhutchins_wk: Are there any planned future codenames? |
| 22:48.54 | OctopusGirl | like... slinky or something? |
| 22:48.56 | pfred1 | how much longer will Squeeze be supported? |
| 22:48.57 | jhutchins_wk | OctopusGirl: I don't think they've voted on the next one yet. |
| 22:49.03 | OctopusGirl | okies :3 |
| 22:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | pfred1: Depends on when wheezy is released, one year from whenever that is. |
| 22:49.35 | bluesm | So I cannot install android sdk on 64 bit debian ? |
| 22:50.02 | pfred1 | jhutchins_wk thanks I should get whatever else I want installed in a year |
| 22:50.27 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: Ask google - they're android's support aren't they? |
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| 22:51.04 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: It's not clear to me that multiarch is complete in wheezy. |
| 22:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: multiarch has been fairly difficult to achieve. |
| 22:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: You could always install a chroot 32bit and dual-boot to it. |
| 22:52.23 | pfred1 | I had a Fedora install blow up on me trying to do 32 bit compat in 64 bit |
| 22:52.57 | OctopusGirl | pfred1: Fedora is no where near like Debian! lol |
| 22:53.01 | bluesm | jhutchins_wk: Ok thank you very much! |
| 22:53.14 | pfred1 | OctopusGirl Linux is Linux to me |
| 22:53.20 | OctopusGirl | lol |
| 22:53.34 | OctopusGirl | to me linux is completely different to other linux. |
| 22:53.55 | pfred1 | yeah well I've been running Linux since 1996 so it is all the same to me |
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| 22:54.38 | gnarface | offtopic here but i'd actually recommend *gentoo* for the one task of teaching yourself the similarities between all the distros |
| 22:54.47 | jhutchins_wk | I've got to say that coming from the RPM side Debian has been a great way to learn more about fundamentals. |
| 22:54.51 | gnarface | debian doesn't do a great job at that |
| 22:55.08 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: lunar linux was gentoo before gentoo was. |
| 22:55.44 | pfred1 | I ran Slackware for like the first 8 years I ran Linux that blurred the lines for me |
| 22:56.02 | gnarface | bah |
| 22:56.03 | jhutchins_wk | Doesn't windows basically create a 32b VM to run 32b apps on 64b? |
| 22:56.17 | gnarface | i started with slackware too but all it taught me was how to ignore the native package system |
| 22:56.21 | jhutchins_wk | slack makes a lot of people blurry... |
| 22:56.27 | gnarface | just taught me a bunch of bad habits |
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| 22:56.48 | pfred1 | gnarface I still break package management rules here and there |
| 22:56.54 | jhutchins_wk | Did that person who was having trouble with the installer not finding a kernel get fixed? |
| 22:57.18 | OctopusGirl | offtopic here but... |
| 22:57.25 | OctopusGirl | Whyy is money too tight to mention? :o |
| 22:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | SarahAnne: That was you, right? Get your kernel fixed? |
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| 22:59.02 | jhutchins_wk | bluesm: A VM would be another option. |
| 22:59.12 | jhutchins_wk | Sigh. |
| 22:59.17 | jhutchins_wk | heads out for groceries. |
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| 22:59.45 | bluesm | jhutchins_wk: I get it, thanks :) |
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| 23:01.59 | LtL | manly manny |
| 23:02.14 | LtL | #$%$@# keybrd, excuse me. |
| 23:02.42 | pfred1 | I just had a keyboard die on me |
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| 23:03.31 | LtL | pfred1: they make cool crunching sounds when you drive your car over them. |
| 23:04.00 | pfred1 | LtL well nothing like that happened to it one day it just started randomly spitting out letters |
| 23:04.27 | LtL | pfred1: that would be annoying indeed. |
| 23:04.56 | pfred1 | yeah I was trying to watch a video in mplayer and it was jumping forwards going backwards pausing all kinds of junk |
| 23:06.27 | LtL | pfred1: atleast a decent one is airly cheap. a bad one can really ruin your day. |
| 23:06.35 | LtL | *fairly |
| 23:06.38 | ratbel | Is there a way to coerce unison-gtk not to put `unison.log' in $HOME? (i.e put it $HOME/.unison) |
| 23:06.55 | pfred1 | I'm using some Dell piece of junk but I had an identical one hanging around |
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| 23:24.51 | cdunklau | ok... java-package has a bug that appears to be fixed in experimental. but i can't install it, even after adding the experimental bit to my sources.lst. i try apt-get -t experimental install java-package and it tells me it's already installed. then i try purging it, and doing -t experimental again, and it installs the one from testing. what am i missing? |
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| 23:28.47 | Sanjuro | what app can I use to do a terminal session via console cable? |
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| 23:30.33 | alteregoa | hi, i want to build wormholes into my system with iptables, because my system act as router and stuff, how to warp such ports? |
| 23:30.36 | cdunklau | Sanjuro: screen, minicom, there are others |
| 23:30.48 | Sanjuro | what command within screen? |
| 23:30.57 | cdunklau | Sanjuro: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/22545/how-to-connect-to-a-serial-port-as-simple-as-using-ssh |
| 23:31.48 | Sanjuro | perfect |
| 23:33.02 | Sanjuro | I had that page but tried just running /dev/ttyS0 since I was already in a screen session |
| 23:33.15 | cdunklau | Sanjuro: yeah that's not gonna work |
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| 23:35.46 | cdunklau | Sanjuro: you'd have to run screen from within screen, but that's begging for hurt :) |
| 23:35.53 | Sanjuro | hah |
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| 23:36.19 | Sanjuro | yea even though its screen within screen it still is only a session within the first one |
| 23:36.49 | Sanjuro | can still cmd+a " to get back to other sessions |
| 23:37.33 | cdunklau | oh nice, so it prevents you from being stupid |
| 23:37.37 | cdunklau | good to know :) |
| 23:38.05 | cdunklau | in that case, screen /dev/ttyS0 <speed> or so |
| 23:38.46 | Sanjuro | yea it connected without speed so guess it used the proper default of 9600 I think it is |
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| 23:39.19 | JohnnyL | ok i have pulse -nC working fine now. |
| 23:39.22 | JohnnyL | now what? |
| 23:39.27 | JohnnyL | btw, tia. |
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| 23:41.11 | edju | Run Wheezy amd64. Had to run dpkg --add-architecture i386. Now to remove it yields an error - curently in use by database. Is the only solution to remove all i386 pkgs? There's a bunch of them! |
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| 23:43.30 | alteregoa | i need to know how to cornhole my router to get some programs back working |
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| 23:47.18 | cdunklau | alteregoa: you know about SSH port forwarding? not sure if that'll help, but it's a nice thing to know |
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| 23:53.25 | JohnnyL | any ideas? |
| 23:53.27 | JohnnyL | no sound |
| 23:53.29 | JohnnyL | no errors |
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| 23:53.31 | JohnnyL | help |
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