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| 00:10.53 | Brigo | hi again. Anyone know how to deal with this anoying X error? http://paste.debian.net/216346/ |
| 00:11.34 | nkuttler | !tell Brigo about root x |
| 00:12.45 | Brigo | nkuttler: thanks :-) |
| 00:13.00 | LtL | Brigo: maybe gksu? never use it myself. |
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| 00:13.35 | JohnnyL | any clues? |
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| 00:13.54 | nkuttler | !tell JohnnyL about errors |
| 00:13.56 | nkuttler | !tell JohnnyL about audio |
| 00:14.06 | nkuttler | dpkg: fu |
| 00:14.06 | dpkg | hmm... fu is _____ |
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| 00:16.26 | JohnnyL | aplay goes through the process, but no sounds is hear. |
| 00:16.28 | JohnnyL | no erros. |
| 00:16.32 | JohnnyL | c10105 drivers. |
| 00:16.37 | JohnnyL | trying pulseaudio atm. |
| 00:17.09 | JohnnyL | I alsamixer has levels all up, suprisingly only one bar mutablable. |
| 00:17.18 | LtL | JohnnyL: soundblasters aren't usually too difficult, but the card you have i've never heard of. |
| 00:17.30 | JohnnyL | Yeah, it's a RocketFish 7.1 |
| 00:17.34 | nkuttler | JohnnyL: try m in alsamixer. iirc muted by default |
| 00:17.49 | JohnnyL | it doesn't go into terrible detail concerning relational formats. |
| 00:17.54 | aguitel | is necessary replace pidgin with skype ? |
| 00:18.02 | nkuttler | JohnnyL: /msg dpkg audo, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 00:18.06 | JohnnyL | nkuttler: everything is unmented. |
| 00:18.33 | nkuttler | JohnnyL: unplug the headphones? turn on the speakers? |
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| 00:19.00 | JohnnyL | nkuttler: yes |
| 00:19.14 | JohnnyL | green port. |
| 00:19.34 | JohnnyL | it's bizzare. hope it's not nothing stupid. |
| 00:20.00 | sacredchao | DOes d-i support making GPT formatted disk instead of old DOS MBR configuration? |
| 00:20.33 | sacredchao | Or should I manually use gdisk to create my GPT partitions, then install debian into the destination by skipping partitioning step in d-i |
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| 00:22.59 | JohnnyL | isn't there anything i can check? |
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| 00:23.59 | Nik05 | hey john |
| 00:24.20 | JohnnyL | if I load pulse -nC |
| 00:24.34 | Nik05 | oh pulse... |
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| 00:24.45 | JohnnyL | i get : aplay -Dpulse Noise.wav ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
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| 00:25.08 | JohnnyL | well, debians here suggested i try pulse instead. |
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| 00:27.19 | Nik05 | john i think its good, but i have no idea how it works :P |
| 00:27.27 | Nik05 | i installed it and it worked. |
| 00:27.41 | Nik05 | ans some time ago it didnt worked, no idea why |
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| 00:30.22 | JohnnyL | too bad there is so much goddamned boilerplate shit that is needed to admin this crap. Wasen't it nice back in the day when firmware sets didn't have hundreds of commands and millions of different switches and settings? |
| 00:30.44 | JohnnyL | but hey, you can always read the manpages. in order. |
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| 00:33.24 | Justin | JohnnyL: how many cards are listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 00:35.19 | JohnnyL | justin: one: aplay -Dpulse Noise.wav |
| 00:35.21 | JohnnyL | ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 00:35.45 | Justin | JohnnyL: well clearly pulseaudio is not running properly |
| 00:35.51 | dvs | still? |
| 00:35.52 | Justin | what did you do to break it like that? |
| 00:35.58 | JohnnyL | hm, i just thought of something. I disabled a sound card (thats broken on the motherboard). but this rocketfish 7.1. i hope it's the one that isn't on the motherboard. |
| 00:36.18 | JohnnyL | I have apulseaudio prompt. |
| 00:37.09 | Justin | JohnnyL: how many sound cards do you think you have? |
| 00:37.15 | JohnnyL | pulseaudio -nC Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information. >>> help |
| 00:37.25 | JohnnyL | two, but the motherboard one is disabled in bios. |
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| 00:37.56 | JohnnyL | it wasen'y disabled at debian install though. |
| 00:38.01 | JohnnyL | s/y/t |
| 00:38.16 | Justin | what exactly does /proc/asound/cards list? |
| 00:38.30 | Quix0r | any c++ programmers here for a chance? |
| 00:38.46 | Quix0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.46 | JohnnyL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.59 | JohnnyL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.33 | alfplayer | Quix0r: you can ask in a programming channel |
| 00:39.41 | Quix0r | :( |
| 00:40.11 | Justin | JohnnyL: what is the other sound card you have? is it an audigy? |
| 00:40.27 | alfplayer | Quix0r: or you can search for that flag to learn what it warns against |
| 00:40.28 | JohnnyL | That box I bought it in says 'Rocketfish 7.1'. |
| 00:41.15 | JohnnyL | http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-accessories/RF-71SDCD.html |
| 00:42.12 | Justin | yeah, that's apparently just a rebranded audigy card |
| 00:42.53 | monadicity | hello |
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| 00:43.13 | JohnnyL | oh ok |
| 00:43.14 | monadicity | what should I install to get more options for mouse and keyboard in lxce? |
| 00:43.24 | Justin | lxde? |
| 00:43.39 | monadicity | yes |
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| 00:44.16 | JohnnyL | any ideas? |
| 00:45.14 | Justin | get alsa working by itself before trying to run pulseaudio |
| 00:45.35 | Justin | not that pulseaudio doesn't work, but you need to get alsa working before adding additional things |
| 00:46.09 | Justin | if aplay doesn't show any errors but you have no sound it's almost always a mixer issue |
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| 00:48.19 | JohnnyL | i had alsa working |
| 00:48.38 | JohnnyL | i sent out a alsa-conf.sh last night here. |
| 00:48.48 | JohnnyL | it works, just no sound. |
| 00:49.21 | JohnnyL | S/PDIF is the only one that is mutable. |
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| 00:49.27 | JohnnyL | and it's stuck at 00 |
| 00:49.32 | JohnnyL | is that normal? |
| 00:49.35 | Justin | just toggle all the settings |
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| 00:49.58 | Justin | my laptop has some setting like "auto mute" that if set wrong mutes all the sound |
| 00:50.21 | JohnnyL | waht'st he opposite command? :) |
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| 00:51.02 | RedMint | I'm new to debain and got this line "[ 9.935925] [<ffffffff8100fe97>] ? cpu_idle+0xa2/0cda" |
| 00:51.10 | RedMint | How can I fix it? |
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| 00:52.08 | Justin | RedMint: fix what? |
| 00:52.27 | RedMint | Justin, there is no prompt when I start my lapto |
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| 00:52.31 | RedMint | It just says |
| 00:52.32 | RedMint | [ 9.935925] [<ffffffff8100fe97>] ? cpu_idle+0xa2/0cda |
| 00:52.38 | RedMint | And I can't do anything |
| 00:52.57 | Justin | are you booting with "quiet" or something? |
| 00:53.02 | JohnnyL | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 00:53.04 | JohnnyL | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
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| 01:02.05 | JohnnyL | probably a shitty motherboard. |
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| 01:02.42 | Justin | speakers plugged in the right place? |
| 01:02.52 | JohnnyL | yes |
| 01:03.07 | JohnnyL | I even tried all of them while playing 10 hours of What Is Love on youtube. |
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| 01:04.21 | JohnnyL | i really dont' want another windows machine on my LAN with fucking goofy people who download whatever they like. |
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| 01:04.53 | alusion | JohnnyL: ong? |
| 01:04.59 | ZitZ | are these people you live with JohnnyL? |
| 01:05.12 | alusion | Johnny Long? |
| 01:05.47 | alteregoa | john donson? |
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| 01:18.22 | monadicity | how do I get firefox? |
| 01:18.36 | ZitZ | it's called iceweasel on debian |
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| 01:18.39 | dvs | monadicity: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 01:21.10 | JohnnyL | ZitZ: In what way of you knowing that will help me? |
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| 01:24.34 | ZitZ | none. i'm just saying that isn't nice to say about people :-P |
| 01:25.37 | sadtaco | I'm trying to change my sshd port and I seem to be missing something. I changed the port in /etc/ssh/sshd config to ###, then ran /etc/init.d/sshd restart. Then I changed iptables rules to accept that port instead of 22, and ran iptables-apply on the changes. Then I added a tcp rule for that port to allow it on my Amazon EC2 firewall. But I can't open a new ssh connection to it. |
| 01:25.46 | sadtaco | Not sure what I'm missing. |
| 01:25.57 | sadtaco | Or what I should check to troubleshoot |
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| 01:27.46 | dvs | sadtaco: maybe take the network connection down then up? |
| 01:28.05 | sadtaco | Little scared to get locked out doing that. |
| 01:28.27 | dvs | yeah, may not be feasible |
| 01:28.51 | sadtaco | ah nevermind working now |
| 01:29.11 | dvs | !beer sadtaco |
| 01:29.13 | dpkg | pours a quart of Jever for sadtaco |
| 01:29.28 | sadtaco | Maybe the firewall on amazon was just delayed |
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| 01:29.55 | sadtaco | Someone was ddos'ing my ssh port and it was making me return a lot of data back to them. |
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| 01:31.28 | JohnnyL | ZitZ: this 'person' believes children in afghanistan should be killed because they are animals. |
| 01:31.41 | JohnnyL | not exactly nice is it? |
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| 01:32.25 | JohnnyL | last off topic statement. (which you lead me to) thats why we have problems at home. |
| 01:33.27 | JohnnyL | man i hope this star wars theme leaves my existence is a nice peaceful and non violent way. |
| 01:33.35 | JohnnyL | s/is/in |
| 01:33.44 | monadicity | all humans are animals |
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| 01:34.45 | JohnnyL | monnacitiy that begs the question... do you want to be treated like one? |
| 01:34.55 | JohnnyL | happy mcdonalds everyone! |
| 01:35.06 | ZitZ | #debian-overflow |
| 01:35.16 | monadicity | * Cannot join #debian-overflow (Channel is invite only). |
| 01:35.36 | JohnnyL | ZitZ: i suggest you go there since you started this thread. |
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| 01:36.34 | dondelelcaro | it's #debian-offtopic; regardless, this whole conversation doesn't belong here. |
| 01:36.45 | monadicity | I can't get two finger scrolling working wity ouchpad... was so used to it :( |
| 01:37.13 | dvs | monadicity: The scrolling on the right side doesnt work either? |
| 01:37.31 | monadicity | that does work, it's just I keep trying to do the 2 finger scroll |
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| 02:10.59 | Lis | hi everyone, does someone know how to start the kde system settings manually? |
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| 02:16.20 | Lis | ah i found it: kcmshell4 --list and then kcmshell4 $modulename |
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| 02:27.14 | vitalius | how can i build a custom linux pkg .deb that would work on other debian machine? when following current guide, it ommits the build/ and source/ directories and won't let installation of virtualbox guest addons |
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| 02:28.09 | BurnZeZ | >1201 nicks |
| 02:28.13 | BurnZeZ | Dear god |
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| 02:28.41 | cusco | many idle |
| 02:28.57 | BurnZeZ | Yeah, but this is a massive channel |
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| 02:29.52 | BurnZeZ | I'm having issues with setting up a network bridge on wheezy, would this be the best channel to inquire about that, or is there some place I'm not aware of? |
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| 02:33.03 | somiaj | vitalius: If you compile a .deb on one machien it should be installable on any other debian machine of teh same arch and release (i.e. squeeze) |
| 02:33.25 | somiaj | vitalius: so what .deb are you making, what have you done to make it and what is omitted? |
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| 02:33.40 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a kernel package |
| 02:33.59 | somiaj | sounds like a module that works for his kernel but not the kernel inside the VM, and if they have different kernels it could be the reason |
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| 02:46.33 | sacredchao | Does d-i support formatting a new disk using GPT? |
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| 02:55.16 | monadicity | how do you take a screenshot of a region of the screen? |
| 02:55.55 | cusco | import they said |
| 02:57.27 | monadicity | im using lxde |
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| 02:57.33 | monadicity | http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots |
| 02:57.41 | monadicity | this only tells how for Gnome and KDE |
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| 02:59.50 | monadicity | is there instrutions to configure the print screen button to do it? |
| 03:02.10 | somiaj | monadicity: there are screenshot command line tools (like scrot, and others) and you can just make a keybinding that runs that program when you hit printscreen |
| 03:02.20 | somiaj | don't know how to make keybindings in lxde but that should be easy to look up |
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| 03:02.39 | monadicity | is there one which lets me just do a region by clicking and dragging? |
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| 03:05.32 | monadicity | scrot -s does it |
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| 03:32.14 | sonnie | my Sun FireTM V890 hangs when booting 6.0.3 CD. it prints "console [tty0] enabled, bootconsole disabled" |
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| 03:36.34 | ElectricPrism | Is there a command that gives me the creation time of a file? |
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| 03:39.51 | monadicity | ugh |
| 03:40.14 | monadicity | i justinstalled gimp.. every time I start it the panels are haly way through the bottom of the screen |
| 03:42.14 | wols_ | remove the .dotfiles of it? |
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| 03:44.05 | wols_ | ElectricPrism: filesystems don't record it. there is accessed time, change time (of inode) and modified time (of file). atime, ctime, mtime |
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| 03:44.48 | wols_ | typically ctime is the earliest timestamp |
| 03:45.02 | TOPsi | Sadly, increasingly it appears that not a day, and certainly not a week can pass, in the US without news of some mass killing somewhere. Several days ago its was a mall in Oregon, and today it is a shooting rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. |
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| 03:47.15 | dcherniv | TOPsi, thats normal. |
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| 03:49.05 | ElectricPrism | wols_ I heard that ext4 has support for it built in, the thing is I'd like to move my 2tb Raid 1 mirror from ntfs to ext4 but I don't want to loose the creation timestamps on my pictures, client files, etc.. Which part of the OS stack is holding the system back from storing that info? |
| 03:49.44 | TOPsi | Never know when you're gonna get shot |
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| 03:49.49 | TOPsi | if you're wandering around America today. |
| 03:50.04 | wols_ | I don't know |
| 03:50.51 | monadicity | probability of gettig shot per day in america = number of people shot in one day / number of americans |
| 03:50.57 | monadicity | very very low probability actually |
| 03:51.16 | ElectricPrism | People are playing too much CoD, when morality goes down the drain bad things start to happen on a wider basis |
| 03:51.40 | ElectricPrism | people get show in Oakland every day over here |
| 03:51.54 | TOPsi | Pretty soon American males are gonna need to be restrained. |
| 03:52.04 | TOPsi | Too much risk having them out on the loose. |
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| 03:52.12 | TOPsi | Get their genitalia castrated. |
| 03:52.19 | wols_ | ElectricPrism: other countries play CoD too, and the "morality" (what BS) is the same too |
| 03:53.24 | ElectricPrism | wols_ well I'm not from other countries I'm from amercia so I can only speak based on the people I meet in every day life, and no It's not BS, but that's probably a discussion for another channel or another day |
| 03:53.41 | dcherniv | wols_, exactly, nothing wrong with people today. This has always happened before and will happened again. Human nature |
| 03:53.43 | TOPsi | What is COD? |
| 03:53.58 | ElectricPrism | Call of Duty, a realistic xbox war game |
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| 03:54.27 | TOPsi | Americans sure love their WARRZZ. |
| 03:54.40 | TOPsi | What a joke. Those young males should be making love, not war. |
| 03:54.43 | TOPsi | Fecking losers. |
| 03:55.08 | ElectricPrism | also funded by the US miliary, ex: sounds are recorded from real weapons, and soldiers are trained using it |
| 03:55.23 | ElectricPrism | but anyways, thanks for the help wols_ |
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| 03:56.05 | dcherniv | TOPsi, Dont call people you dont know losers. |
| 03:56.29 | TOPsi | They are blowing people up. With guns. |
| 03:56.35 | TOPsi | FEcking losers. |
| 03:56.40 | Arrowmaster | take it to the offtopic channel please |
| 03:57.17 | dcherniv | TOPsi, hehe, im in afghanistan right this moment. War is not pretty |
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| 04:00.01 | TOPsi | "The apartment below us is being gut renovated, almost certainly without permits and using laborers hired on the spot from a restaurant construction in the building adjacent to our building. The started ripping out the floors, ceilings and walls yesterday and our apartment, located directly above the gut reno, was very soon a fog of dust. Everything we own is covered in a thick coating of potentially hazardous dust that we are worried |
| 04:00.12 | TOPsi | and possibly asbestos." |
| 04:00.20 | TOPsi | How to avoid getting stuck in a situation like this one? |
| 04:01.26 | un214 | by calling the cops |
| 04:01.50 | wols_ | or local building inspectors |
| 04:01.55 | wols_ | or INS |
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| 04:02.11 | trist4n | i cant believe people would hire laborers on the spot. |
| 04:02.15 | trist4n | thats terrible. |
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| 04:02.20 | wols_ | TOPsi: you should stop your OT crossposting btw |
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| 04:03.34 | Vasistha | I'm looking for a tool to record a video of what's on the screen... trying to do some animation. Seems like there ought to be an xorg builtin or included app |
| 04:03.59 | vyadhaka | thinking of using software RAID mirror, just want to know about how the crashes are handled, I mean resynching times after a crash? will the system be very slow after a crash due to resynching? |
| 04:04.30 | un214 | yes and yes |
| 04:06.15 | vyadhaka | un214: I am guessing you are answering my questions. if so, how long will a 3TB drive take to resynch |
| 04:06.25 | un214 | sorry I don't know |
| 04:06.37 | Arrowmaster | 12 hours minimum i would guess |
| 04:06.41 | un214 | the correct answer for idle run is the same time as the time to copy all data from one to another |
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| 04:08.12 | Vasistha | xvidcap, that's what I want, what debian package contains xvidcap? |
| 04:08.22 | vyadhaka | Arrowmaster: is there anyway to make the system responsive while it's resynching, it's not really ideal to not be able to use the system for long hours after a crash |
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| 04:09.26 | Arrowmaster | vyadhaka: it will still be usable |
| 04:10.00 | wols_ | Vasistha: packages.debian.org knows |
| 04:10.18 | wols_ | Vasistha: there are others like recordmydesktop too |
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| 04:10.47 | Vasistha | thanks, wols_ |
| 04:10.57 | Vasistha | I had asked p.d.o but no results! |
| 04:11.10 | vyadhaka | Arrowmaster: wouldn't IO activity on the disks make them unresponsive, atleast thats how windows software raid works, trying to move away from it |
| 04:12.11 | Arrowmaster | from what i understand the system is supposed to still be usable while its rebuilding |
| 04:12.20 | Arrowmaster | never experienced it first hand though |
| 04:14.30 | wols_ | Vasistha: I seriously doubt that |
| 04:14.40 | vyadhaka | Arrowmaster: in windows while it's resynching, the system is hardly usable, I really hope there is a solution to this in linux. imagine having to resynch 3TB drive. |
| 04:14.52 | Vasistha | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=xvidcap |
| 04:15.39 | wols_ | Vasistha: it's in dmm. codec problems probably due to encoding |
| 04:18.39 | Vasistha | wols_: yeah, I removed all my dmm packages because something was causing video playback issues. it's too bad xvidcap isn't in debian, guess I'll compile it myself, hope it's not difficult. recordmydesktop doesn't seem to provide a clean way to set the recording area |
| 04:18.49 | Vasistha | or perhaps I should just grab it from dmm |
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| 04:44.19 | wols_ | !sparc |
| 04:44.19 | dpkg | SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:34.26 | hellyeah | hey |
| 05:34.35 | hellyeah | i installed windows after debian installation |
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| 05:34.40 | hellyeah | now grub disappears |
| 05:34.44 | hellyeah | ed* |
| 05:34.52 | hellyeah | how to update grub again |
| 05:34.59 | hellyeah | i did grub update didnt work |
| 05:35.48 | bkeller | hellyeah, http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm |
| 05:36.15 | bkeller | long story short, you load up a live cd so you can run grub-install |
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| 05:37.11 | bkeller | for future reference, windows is always greedy with the first disk. Install it first, then install linux second when you plan to dual-boot. |
| 05:38.18 | hellyeah | you prefer first thing or second thing |
| 05:38.25 | hellyeah | i have arch live cd |
| 05:38.59 | hellyeah | bkeller: yeah i know that actually but when windows start responding not well |
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| 05:39.07 | hellyeah | i have to format it unfortunately |
| 05:40.08 | jwfoxjr | I seem to be having some issues trying to install testing. It keeps failing when I get to the tasksel section of the install. Any ideas? I have the latest testing netinst |
| 05:40.19 | bkeller | to be honest, I've never used arch linux so I can only assume it would work. Just check and see if grub-install exists.. on debian it's in /usr/sbin |
| 05:41.46 | Arrowmaster | using any livecd you should mount whatever is installed to the harddrive and chroot to it and run grub-install from there |
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| 05:43.24 | vitalius | looking for a guide to build proper custom kernel pkg and kernel header pkg. The default guide from debian wiki seems to omit couple directories and the resulting pkg can't be installed on a different machine |
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| 05:44.22 | wols_ | vitalius: what's the command you use to create your kernel .deb? |
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| 05:45.13 | wols_ | !tell hellyeah about reinstall grub |
| 05:45.31 | hellyeah | what is radicula btw |
| 05:46.18 | vitalius | wols_: make-kpkg with kernel_image kernel_header and kernel_source |
| 05:46.28 | wols_ | hellyeah: I suggest you use the debian explanation dpkg just gave you |
| 05:46.40 | hellyeah | okey |
| 05:46.46 | wols_ | vitalius: and the other system gives you what error when you try to install it? |
| 05:46.48 | hellyeah | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover i couldnt open this page |
| 05:46.53 | vitalius | i can install the deb packages just fine on that machine, but once i move the .deb to a different machine, somehonw the header is incomplete |
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| 05:47.22 | vitalius | the kernel_image complains that header links/directories can't be found |
| 05:47.31 | vitalius | and just ommits, them but still gets installed |
| 05:47.42 | vitalius | but this makes other problems form virtualbox guest addons, etc |
| 05:48.22 | hellyeah | grub-install is enough to rescue grub? |
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| 05:56.48 | nuscire | Hey, guys. I have a question with aptitude/apt-get. Suppose the package "foo" dependes on "bar|baz". If I install foo by using "sudo aptitude install foo", the package bar will be installed automatically. Is there an option to choose baz instead of bar as an candidate? Thanks. |
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| 05:57.56 | jwfoxjr | is there an issue with testing that it won't run tasksel during the installation? Doing a just a graphical install |
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| 06:04.57 | wols_ | nuscire: apt-get install foo baz |
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| 06:08.39 | nuscire | wols_: I used to install baz before foo to solve the problem. But your suggestion is obvious more elegant. Thank you. |
| 06:09.08 | webbeaver | hi, looks like i have the same problem like: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48319/debian-unable-to-setup-selinux |
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| 07:00.20 | Vasistha | wols_: if it matters to you... I used recordmydesktop with command-line specified x,y,width,height to get a nice recording area; thanks again for that recommendation! |
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| 07:34.38 | Hy_panic | 'morning; does PPPoE request a correct system time to sync?? |
| 07:35.08 | Hy_panic | i have serious problem with my adsl: http://i50.tinypic.com/epk7cw.png http://i50.tinypic.com/2gy8wad.png http://ideone.com/4gmBL6 |
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| 07:51.14 | wols_ | blink: this is a debian question how? |
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| 07:52.26 | blink | Any way to access router from debian? |
| 07:52.30 | neon__ | I am trying to set keycodes to xfree86, but it reverts to evdev all the time, can anyone help? |
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| 07:53.15 | neon__ | blink, use web browser. Go to address 10.0.0.138 or 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:53.34 | blink | wols_: VPI/VCI set by ISP person using (now trashed) win partition. |
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| 07:54.03 | wols_ | blink: typically you can access it via a web interface. |
| 07:54.08 | blink | 192.168.0.1 not loaded. |
| 07:54.19 | wols_ | but the ip depends on the modem or router. google it |
| 07:54.21 | neon__ | try other |
| 07:54.34 | blink | Loaded rarlier though. |
| 07:54.51 | wols_ | neon__: it won't work. if it's a modem it only will answer if he's in the right subnet. just trying like you suggested won't work. but this is not a debian related problem |
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| 07:56.10 | neon__ | wols_, do you know about setxkbmap? |
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| 08:00.10 | Vasistha | neon__: I've used it a bit, don't really understand your question, but I can tell you what I do in my own workflow |
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| 08:01.04 | neon__ | Vasistha, for now , I just try to set the keycodes to be xfree86+aliases(qwerty) |
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| 08:01.52 | neon__ | Vasistha, but after I set it, it reverts from xfree86 to evdev |
| 08:02.58 | Vasistha | neon__: have you noticed it happening at a particular time, e.g. after changing keyboard language? |
| 08:03.09 | Vasistha | neon__: and, when/how do you set it? |
| 08:05.39 | neon__ | setxkbmap -v -symbols pc+latin+il -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -keycodes xfree86+aliases\(qwerty\) |
| 08:05.50 | neon__ | this is one way |
| 08:06.13 | Vasistha | neon__: so you run that from a command prompt while X is running? |
| 08:06.23 | neon__ | yes |
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| 08:06.53 | Vasistha | neon__: and does it work for a little while, or does it not even work at all? |
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| 08:07.34 | neon__ | not at all for the keycodes, the symbols work until I do setxkbmap -v |
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| 08:11.36 | neon__ | I also tried to do it like in the man page: setxkbmap -print > fileOnGoodMachine ... and on bad machine: cat fileOnGOodMachine | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY |
| 08:12.11 | neon__ | Vasistha, but that was equally not effective |
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| 08:13.05 | Vasistha | neon__: hmm. I don't know if this could work but have you tried using xmodmap? That's what I use, I don't know how it is related to setxkbmap |
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| 08:16.28 | neon__ | Vasistha, I didn't try xmodmap here. I used in in the past though in a different scenario. |
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| 08:17.51 | neon__ | Vasistha, but it wont help me here. |
| 08:18.25 | neon__ | don't get why it is so difficult to make two debian squeeze machines use the same keyboard settings :/ |
| 08:18.32 | Zitter | what's best way to build my customized debian with themes, wallpaper and installed applications? |
| 08:18.50 | Zitter | I mean: to build and then re-burn in other machines |
| 08:19.17 | neon__ | dd? |
| 08:19.28 | Vasistha | neon__: I'm sorry I don't know more, I had thought perhaps your scenario might be closer to mine. Anyway it looks like you are having difficulty getting setxkbmap to work AT ALL - I think that should be the focus of your question rather than the reverting. First make it work properly, and then take care of the reverting (if it is even still a problem) |
| 08:19.34 | neon__ | Zitter, ^ |
| 08:20.42 | neon__ | Vasistha, it works on symbols, not on keycodes |
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| 08:21.53 | Zitter | is it a gentle way to tell me that my request is "opaque"? :) |
| 08:21.53 | Vasistha | neon__: alright, so, my point is, make it work completely before you worry about the reverting. when you ask people about a problem with reverting, they might assume that the way you are setting up setxkbmap in the first place is working, but it is not. |
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| 08:22.34 | neon__ | Vasistha, aha. OK. |
| 08:23.10 | Vasistha | neon__: so since I don't know how to help with your problem, I'm trying to help you with the way you ask the question ;) |
| 08:23.11 | neon__ | Zitter, I don't know what you mean. Maybe someone else know a better way than dd. |
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| 08:23.33 | neon__ | Vasistha, thank you :) |
| 08:23.52 | Vasistha | Zitter: I'd look around for some kind of CD project, since the kind of thing you want to do would typically be installable from a CD |
| 08:24.03 | neon__ | Vasistha, it is so strage both machines are debian squeeze, yet they are set differently |
| 08:24.34 | neon__ | Zitter, do you know what dd is? |
| 08:24.42 | Zitter | Vasistha, you're right. |
| 08:24.57 | Zitter | neon__, dd if of? |
| 08:25.03 | neon__ | yes |
| 08:25.07 | Vasistha | neon__: yeah I just had an issue with two nearly identical IBM Thinkpad T42's, with the exact same video card, both running squeeze, and one of them would crash X when doing a screen rotation where the other didn't. |
| 08:25.38 | Zitter | yeah, but it is not what I need. I would like to create my own customized debian distro. |
| 08:25.59 | Vasistha | Zitter: do you want it to be something you can install from a CD? Or would you be happy to install a base system and then install the same packages and ... certain settings? |
| 08:26.06 | Zitter | "customized" <= with wallpapers, applications, themes and so on... nothing more :) |
| 08:26.10 | neon__ | Zitter, you could use debian-live as a reference |
| 08:26.25 | Zitter | yes, debian-live is the way |
| 08:26.44 | neon__ | Zitter, I heard they let you build a live version of your running system |
| 08:26.56 | Zitter | I was looking at this http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/10-scripts-to-create-your-own-linux-distribution-665247 but it seems unuseful |
| 08:27.09 | Zitter | neon__, good |
| 08:28.52 | voltagex | where did the extra-mirror command go for simple-cdd? |
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| 08:37.10 | Vasistha | I'm trying to install xvidcap as downloaded from sourceforge, since dmm's requires codecs that mess up vlc. However sourceforge's xvidcap requires liblame0. I have libmp3lame0 which I assume is the same as liblame0. How can I convince aptitude that liblame0 is satisfied by libmp3lame0? |
| 08:37.46 | wols_ | !tell Vasistha about equivs |
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| 08:38.02 | wols_ | or easier: rewrite your debian/rules |
| 08:38.27 | Vasistha | "your debian/rules" would be if I'm compiling the packages and building a .deb ? |
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| 08:40.03 | wols_ | yes. why else would you need to convince aptitude? |
| 08:40.26 | wols_ | aptitude deals with .debs only. if you don't make one you can't have dependency problems |
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| 08:49.35 | Vasistha | wols_: I'm using a .deb that somebody else built. Perhaps I should take it apart and rebuild it, but I've never managed to succeed at that before. Perhaps I need to try again? |
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| 08:51.10 | wols_ | don't. get the source or don't try. or use equivs as a quick+dirty hack |
| 08:51.24 | wols_ | source of the .deb with debian/ I mean |
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| 09:06.46 | carrett | hi all. i know it's OT but i'm trying to ready my system for a dual-boot install. the windows partition resizing thingy won't let me shrink down more than about 20GB but the drive has >100GB free space. when i defrag it says "Needs optimization (17% fragmented)" however repeated application of the defrag app just keeps giving that same result...any ideas? i guess i could try resizing with something like gparted in a livecd but if any |
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| 09:18.45 | jelly-home | carrett: got cut off at "... gparted in a livecd but if any" |
| 09:19.11 | carrett | oh, just if you know any windoze tricks i'd be very grateful |
| 09:19.16 | carrett | standard pleading fare |
| 09:19.27 | jelly-home | try the ##windows channel |
| 09:19.32 | carrett | holy moly |
| 09:19.38 | carrett | did not think of that |
| 09:19.43 | carrett | :-P |
| 09:20.56 | carrett | why two #s? |
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| 09:22.29 | jelly-home | a single hash means the channel is endorsed by the actual project, that it's "official" in some capacity |
| 09:23.10 | voltagex | I'm completely stuck with simple-cdd it won't find its own udebs which are downloaded successfully. |
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| 09:24.49 | carrett | aha |
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| 09:28.05 | carrett | thanks jelly-home |
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| 09:32.43 | peterrooney | Microsoft's official opinion of IRC can be deduced by the name of the client they released back in the 90s. |
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| 09:38.10 | sevenfourk | pretty rare question |
| 09:38.24 | sevenfourk | disregard please |
| 09:39.14 | xingu | peterrooney: it's not enterprisey enough unless it's carrying opaque xml encoded blobs. |
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| 09:42.05 | xingu | peterrooney: I'll never forget the day that I saw the stm-64 link flap on the router behind which a ms live communication server suckled |
| 09:42.19 | xingu | peterrooney: holy rolling global IM outage batman... |
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| 10:01.16 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ,,, Any near time for wheezy ? ... as i want to install debian on a new machine.. if it's anywhere near ... i will wait |
| 10:01.49 | wols_ | !tell cobra-the-joker about wwwr |
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| 10:03.00 | vedranm | guys, quick question |
| 10:03.19 | vedranm | when will default install from multi-arch wheezy disk start giving me xfce? |
| 10:03.32 | vedranm | it still gives me gnome3 and I have to pass desktop=xfce to get xfce |
| 10:03.43 | wols_ | never. you will need a xfce iso, just like you can get one now for squeeze |
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| 10:04.51 | wols_ | vedranm: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:07.24 | vedranm | wols_: thank you |
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| 10:07.34 | vedranm | so task-desktop didn't get changed? |
| 10:07.43 | vedranm | I was under the impression that it did |
| 10:08.27 | vedranm | I hoped the change will be effective in wheezy beta 2 |
| 10:08.29 | vedranm | then beta 3 |
| 10:08.30 | vedranm | then beta 4 |
| 10:08.45 | vedranm | so I wonder if the media misinterpreted the change to Xfce |
| 10:08.57 | vedranm | because wheezy beta4 gives you GNOME 3 by default |
| 10:10.27 | formorer | they did, as usual |
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| 10:16.56 | Rikle_S | Hi |
| 10:17.05 | Rikle_S | to install debian by USB |
| 10:17.28 | Rikle_S | i must put these 3 files on USB key ? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 10:18.25 | Sm0ke0ut | I'd suggest to use something like http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:18.34 | formorer | thats useless |
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| 10:18.41 | formorer | squeeze iso are manifolded. |
| 10:18.46 | formorer | just dd them to a stick |
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| 10:19.22 | wols_ | !unetbootin |
| 10:19.23 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 10:19.52 | wols_ | Sm0ke0ut: typically, when someone can't install his debian from usb stick, it's the fault of unetbootin. stay away from it |
| 10:19.58 | formorer | ack |
| 10:20.07 | formorer | as said, just dd the iso |
| 10:20.09 | jelly-home | Sm0ke0ut: there's no need for unetbootin, enough to directly write the image onto a stick |
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| 10:25.08 | invariant | Do I need to install my own cronjob to update the root hints for DNS on Debian? |
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| 10:25.25 | voxadam | Is there a container technology that Debian officially supports? LXC, OpenVZ, etc...? |
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| 10:26.03 | cardiel | voxadam: as far as i know debian works with both openvz and xen |
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| 10:27.10 | voxadam | cardiel: Thanks. |
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| 10:46.24 | jelly-home | invariant: that's what I did |
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| 10:46.55 | invariant | jelly-home, in 2003 someone wrote a script and asked for it to be included :/ |
| 10:47.48 | jelly-home | invariant: into which dns package? |
| 10:48.00 | invariant | jelly-home, bind9 |
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| 10:50.33 | jelly-home | also, bogons list if you care about it |
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| 10:58.42 | Rikle_S | formorer: so i download iso cdrom and past it on usb ? |
| 11:01.09 | formorer | blockwise, yes. (so no formatting and just dropping the file doesn't help) |
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| 11:04.12 | Rikle_S | formorer: i don't understand what you mean :/ |
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| 11:04.36 | formorer | Rikle_S: you need to write the iso "raw" to the stick |
| 11:05.40 | Rikle_S | ok, so i clic on download link, and save the file to the stick and that's all ? |
| 11:05.59 | Rikle_S | (sorry, i'm french, i want to be sure i understand) |
| 11:06.14 | formorer | I am probably sure you mean the wrong thing. |
| 11:06.45 | invariant | What's a good way to non-interactively edit a root crontab file? |
| 11:06.46 | jackbrownhf | anyone available to help me to configure conky accuweather on my desktop ? |
| 11:07.08 | formorer | Rikle_S: http://www.askvg.com/win32-disk-imager-write-any-bootable-image-to-usb-drive-in-windows/ |
| 11:07.13 | wols_ | jackbrownhf: state your actual problem |
| 11:07.25 | wols_ | Rikle_S: no it's not all |
| 11:07.33 | somiaj | invariant: man crontab -- belive that can do what you need |
| 11:07.37 | nkuttler | Rikle_S: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.fr |
| 11:07.41 | wols_ | Rikle_S: under what OS are you right now? |
| 11:07.51 | formorer | Rikle_S: use a tool like win32diskimager, dd ow rawrite to write the iso to the stick |
| 11:07.57 | formorer | (guessing you are using windows) |
| 11:08.13 | Rikle_S | wols_: archlinux |
| 11:08.22 | formorer | cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 11:08.44 | formorer | or dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdx |
| 11:08.56 | Rikle_S | formorer: it's not the same way than on your link |
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| 11:09.03 | Rikle_S | ah |
| 11:09.04 | Rikle_S | ok |
| 11:09.06 | formorer | Rikle_S: my link used windows. |
| 11:09.11 | formorer | of course its not the same |
| 11:09.12 | wols_ | Rikle_S: then dd the iso to your usb device: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdd where you change to the proper filename and device |
| 11:09.19 | wols_ | Rikle_S: all data on the usb device is lost |
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| 11:09.52 | Rikle_S | ok, on usb, it must be "uniso" files ? |
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| 11:10.30 | Rikle_S | cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
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| 11:11.26 | jackbrownhf | wols_: I'm hanging around the web trying to find a guide to install Acuweather like this http://i.imgur.com/dymYZ.jpg on my desktop without success |
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| 11:17.11 | epitamizor | anyone know how to import program in netbeans, it keeps giving me build fail and there is red exclamation point |
| 11:17.37 | FernandoBasso | I followed http://wiki.debian.org/iptables, but /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules is not bringing the rules back at boot. Any ideas? |
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| 11:19.03 | wols_ | epitamizor: there will be an error message why the build failed |
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| 11:20.13 | OctopusGirl | Rikle_S: cat debian.iso > /dev/sda1 is how easy it is?! O.o |
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| 11:20.47 | wols_ | OctopusGirl: please don't suggest this to people |
| 11:20.53 | wols_ | Rikle_S: ignore OctopusGirl |
| 11:20.58 | OctopusGirl | wols_: I didn't. |
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| 11:21.06 | wols_ | you just did |
| 11:21.10 | OctopusGirl | No I didn't |
| 11:21.17 | OctopusGirl | I asked if that is how easy it is. :/ |
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| 11:21.36 | wols_ | OctopusGirl: you must be a sunday girl, so special as you are |
| 11:21.49 | nkuttler | FernandoBasso: check the contents of /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 11:21.50 | OctopusGirl | wols_: So don't be so rude by telling people to ignore me. |
| 11:22.00 | epitamizor | wols_, it just lists a file called run.xml |
| 11:22.03 | FernandoBasso | nkuttler: I do have my rules there. |
| 11:22.18 | FernandoBasso | I can restore them manually. |
| 11:23.06 | OctopusGirl | wols_: Can dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda1 be used with ARM? |
| 11:23.16 | nkuttler | FernandoBasso: well the init script should do exactly that |
| 11:23.35 | nkuttler | FernandoBasso: oh wait, do you have iptables-persistent installed? |
| 11:23.41 | FernandoBasso | Nope. |
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| 11:24.29 | nkuttler | FernandoBasso: so you wrote a custom init script? |
| 11:25.23 | FernandoBasso | Nope. The tutorial didn't mention one should install iptables-persisten, though. |
| 11:25.28 | nkuttler | FernandoBasso: or do you use /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables ? |
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| 11:25.56 | FernandoBasso | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.28 | OctopusGirl | Mr Bossman? O.o |
| 11:26.43 | wols_ | OctopusGirl: you gave dangerous advice. anyone who does this most likely deletes his data. you did the equivalent of a rm -rf basically. worse: data gets overwritten |
| 11:26.45 | OctopusGirl | Aloe Blacc said it first. |
| 11:26.57 | OctopusGirl | wols_: No I didn't I asked if that's how easy it was. |
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| 11:27.57 | OctopusGirl | wols_: But... can that DD be done on ARM? |
| 11:28.20 | wols_ | no. i386/amd64 only afaik |
| 11:28.27 | OctopusGirl | :/ |
| 11:28.45 | wols_ | ARM uses tons of different boot architectures, there is not a single standard like on PCs |
| 11:28.51 | OctopusGirl | wols_: So it's not easy to just write to a chip? |
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| 11:30.19 | OctopusGirl | JASON DERULO! |
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| 11:31.23 | FernandoBasso | nkuttler: Oh, I used ^x^f on vim to auto-complete /sbin/iptables-restore, but I accidentally auto-completed ip6tables-restore... |
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| 11:32.39 | OctopusGirl | wols_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 :D |
| 11:32.46 | OctopusGirl | or... |
| 11:32.52 | FernandoBasso | nkuttler: Yep. Working. Thanks for helping. |
| 11:32.53 | OctopusGirl | wols_: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda1 :D |
| 11:32.54 | OctopusGirl | !!!! |
| 11:32.55 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 11:32.56 | OctopusGirl | :D:D |
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| 11:37.33 | FernandoBasso | :) |
| 11:37.41 | FernandoBasso | The end!!! |
| 11:38.03 | BadCodSmell | During debian install how does it detect the cd drive (where as well)? |
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| 11:38.43 | BadCodSmell | My install "cd" is on /dev/sb2 ext2 and I would like the installer to be able to use that |
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| 11:39.47 | wols_ | BadCodSmell: what kind of partition is sdb2? |
| 11:39.47 | BadCodSmell | Also, what is the name of the software that does the install? |
| 11:39.54 | BadCodSmell | msdos |
| 11:39.56 | wols_ | "debian installer" |
| 11:40.14 | wols_ | BadCodSmell: is it a usb stick or what? |
| 11:40.19 | BadCodSmell | Yes |
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| 11:40.29 | BadCodSmell | It boots fine. Just doesn't find the CD |
| 11:40.37 | wols_ | BadCodSmell: I suggest you read the install guide: /msg dpkg ig it tells you of all the various ways to install debian |
| 11:40.41 | BadCodSmell | IF I know where it is actually doing that, ie the scripts, I think it would be easy to solve |
| 11:41.09 | BadCodSmell | We need a new way that isn't usually provided for :) |
| 11:42.13 | wols_ | why? |
| 11:42.38 | wols_ | heck you can install debian by mounting a (real, from the host) partition inside a VM and install it that way for example |
| 11:43.17 | BadCodSmell | So there is a discrete installer package? |
| 11:43.23 | wols_ | no |
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| 11:44.23 | BadCodSmell | I am confused |
| 11:44.37 | BadCodSmell | you just gave me the impression I could run an installed from live. |
| 11:45.05 | BadCodSmell | Anyway this is sidetracked, where can I find the actual installer, its scripts, configuration, etc? |
| 11:45.55 | BadCodSmell | Hmm also I wonder if I can specify the "media" in preseed. |
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| 11:46.26 | wols_ | !tell BadCodSmell about custom cd |
| 11:48.20 | BadCodSmell | Ah thanks, that could be useful for something else we need to do. |
| 11:48.27 | BadCodSmell | Still doesn't answer the question though |
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| 11:49.47 | wols_ | it does |
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| 11:51.02 | OctopusGirl | wols_: I ruined my OS with DD. :( |
| 11:51.09 | OctopusGirl | Mummy not gonna like it. |
| 11:51.16 | OctopusGirl | http://ompldr.org/vZ3BiYg |
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| 12:09.21 | s98259 | I'm a dick |
| 12:09.32 | s98259 | wols_: I zeroed my drive with dd. |
| 12:09.33 | s98259 | lol |
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| 12:09.39 | s98259 | wiped everything out. |
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| 12:23.58 | anddam | I'm trying to run an installer from cdrom, the file is root:root 555 but when I try to run it I get bash: Permission denied |
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| 12:27.36 | dutchfish | anddam, while 555 has read/execute rights, it does not have write rights |
| 12:27.41 | jackbrownhf | Does anyone has experience with Bumblebee Optimus support for Nvidia card in Linux ? I have a couple of questions |
| 12:27.50 | xand | dutchfish: why would he need write rights? |
| 12:28.09 | dutchfish | xand, i dunno, for that i need to know more |
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| 12:28.29 | xand | ... |
| 12:28.47 | xand | write access is irrelevant |
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| 12:31.07 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: :3 |
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| 12:32.03 | jackbrownhf | :) KittyGirl hi |
| 12:32.06 | KittyGirl | heyy |
| 12:32.10 | KittyGirl | remember meeee?! :o |
| 12:32.23 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: do you have experience in conky configurations ? |
| 12:32.31 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: Did have. |
| 12:33.14 | anddam | it's an installer from a CD image, I doubt it needs write permissions |
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| 12:34.16 | KittyGirl | I once had Windows 3.1 on a DVD-RW. When you shut it down it would save itself to the DVD. |
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| 12:34.35 | KittyGirl | It was a live cd I made for rescues. lol |
| 12:35.30 | tech_ | a Windows rescue CD XD |
| 12:35.40 | KittyGirl | tech_: It's bad |
| 12:35.47 | KittyGirl | sooner prefer to use linux. lol |
| 12:35.58 | tech_ | +1 |
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| 12:36.51 | KittyGirl | but it was an experiment to see if it was possible. I then did the same to Windows 95 then 98 then tried ME and failed and I knew I defo couldn't do it to NT-based Windows. lol |
| 12:37.06 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: what did you want to know about conky? I run it my desktop |
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| 12:37.34 | tech_ | KittyGirl: I guess the only way of knowing is to try it |
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| 12:37.56 | KittyGirl | tech_: Nope. It was obvious that I wouldn't be able to do it to NT based Windows. lol |
| 12:38.04 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I would like an help to set a configuration that I like plus I need to add stocks and some other stuff but it's a bit hard |
| 12:38.12 | KittyGirl | I know projects that have done it but I personally wouldn't be able to do it lol |
| 12:38.53 | somethinginteres | Hi all, I really need someone's help to get my sound working properly. I had it all working pretty well but once I set up my TV card it stopped working completely again. Please see: http://pastebin.com/ZZacJnED. The only thing I can think of is aplay is seeing my TV card as a playback device and that's stuffing things up? |
| 12:38.56 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: well, I can only help with basic stuff. I don't know jack about Lua |
| 12:39.02 | wols_ | anddam: why couldn't you run it with "sh file" ? |
| 12:39.05 | KittyGirl | tech_: I'm a Microsoft hater too so I keep away from Windows. lol |
| 12:39.09 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I would like to set this configuration http://slavsan.deviantart.com/art/conky-black-transparency-187271049 |
| 12:39.17 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: can u help me too ? |
| 12:39.40 | KittyGirl | I'm not an expert anymore. |
| 12:39.43 | tech_ | let me open up a browser and see what that looks like... |
| 12:40.22 | jackbrownhf | tech_: yeah thanks I know that it's a bit ot |
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| 12:40.56 | KittyGirl | Aha2Y |
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| 12:41.10 | KittyGirl | tech_: I would like to show you something. |
| 12:41.22 | KittyGirl | infact I can't show you it. |
| 12:41.39 | KittyGirl | but... I made Windows 98 functions/look just like Windows XP. |
| 12:41.57 | KittyGirl | It ran the latest version of firefox too! |
| 12:42.13 | tech_ | KittyGirl: that probably took a lot of work |
| 12:42.25 | KittyGirl | tech_: It was waaaaaay tinier than XP too. |
| 12:42.31 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: okay, saw it, so what's up? |
| 12:42.36 | KittyGirl | took hacking the system files with an hex editor. |
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| 12:42.52 | KittyGirl | to add new controls to them, etc. |
| 12:42.56 | tech_ | KittyGirl: somehow I fugured that |
| 12:43.00 | tech_ | *figured |
| 12:43.06 | dutchfish | ompaul, heya |
| 12:43.07 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I followed the details into the txt to set it works (there are instrctions by the author) but i was unable to set it work |
| 12:43.28 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: so what's it doing instead/ |
| 12:43.57 | jackbrownhf | tech_: it's all messed and i got an error in the CLI that can't find forecast |
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| 12:44.07 | jackbrownhf | tech_: maybe i needa additional plugins |
| 12:44.44 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: well, what's it doing that's different from the expected result? |
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| 12:47.07 | jackbrownhf | tech_: check with your eyes http://ompldr.org/vZ3BjMA/Schermata.png |
| 12:49.20 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: ah, now I see |
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| 12:49.41 | ompaul | dutchfish: hi |
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| 12:49.52 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: I had some similar issues when placing my own conky widgets |
| 12:50.18 | jackbrownhf | tech_: conky is amazing and very powerful, but is a mess to set it working |
| 12:50.27 | jackbrownhf | tech_: why there is no GUI to make it simpler! |
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| 12:51.07 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: Actually, someone madde a GUI exactly for that some time ago, but it only handles *very* basic configs |
| 12:51.18 | tech_ | nothing like this |
| 12:51.45 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: I'm going to take a look at my own configs and see what I did to solve the issue |
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| 12:52.53 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: okay, as far as the text is concerned: |
| 12:52.55 | jackbrownhf | tech_: yes ConkyWizard it's totally useless |
| 12:53.40 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: looks like there may be an issue in the vertical offset and alignment from center |
| 12:53.59 | jackbrownhf | tech_: a basic question if i want that conky shows on both the monitor side (once wearther other side my machine details) do I have to start 2 conky ? |
| 12:54.02 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: otherwise known as voffset and alignc |
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| 12:54.20 | jackbrownhf | tech_: a lot of thins are missed too |
| 12:54.22 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: yes |
| 12:55.03 | jackbrownhf | Do you think I wil find someone to pay to make a perfect conky for my desktop ? |
| 12:55.04 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: what you are seeing are multiple instances of conky being simultaneously run |
| 12:55.06 | jackbrownhf | it's like a job |
| 12:55.27 | tech_ | it does take some work, that's true |
| 12:55.27 | jackbrownhf | tech_: ok i hoped to set everything with just one instance to save memory but seems that is impossible |
| 12:55.33 | KittyGirl | I use an awesome CD ripper called abcde :D |
| 12:55.35 | jackbrownhf | tech_: yes it's a job |
| 12:56.04 | tech_ | what you have to do is set up a script to run those multiple instances |
| 12:56.04 | jackbrownhf | tech_: restarting XCHAT |
| 12:56.08 | tech_ | okay |
| 12:56.19 | abrotman | XCHAT! |
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| 12:56.47 | jackbrownhf | tech_: there's already a .sh script and the author did i |
| 12:57.05 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I followed his instructions maybe I have to chose another conky configuration and follow other instructions |
| 12:57.27 | tech_ | you could do that, but there is another thing you must conider |
| 12:57.31 | tech_ | *consider |
| 12:57.40 | jackbrownhf | tech_: what? |
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| 12:57.52 | tech_ | not only are the text values set in each .conkyrc file... |
| 12:58.13 | tech_ | but also, in the startup script, each widget is drawn in its own window |
| 12:58.16 | jackbrownhf | tech_: yes I know I readed some conky manual and configuration guide but it's really a mess |
| 12:58.33 | tech_ | so the x, y coordinates of each window is set in that startup script |
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| 12:59.01 | tech_ | so you have to align your widget in two places: |
| 12:59.12 | tech_ | in the .conkyrc file for that widget |
| 12:59.13 | jackbrownhf | tech_: this is new http://sourceforge.net/projects/conkygui/ it's 2012 updated |
| 12:59.27 | tech_ | and in the startup script for the window containing that widget |
| 12:59.35 | tech_ | okay, let me look... |
| 13:00.41 | tech_ | okay, that is definitely new |
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| 13:01.18 | tech_ | but you will still have to understand the concept I just explained to you if you want to do anything mmore than a very basic conky config |
| 13:01.31 | jaoow | Hello, how can I get this network adapter to work with Linux?: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-WN721N-150Mbps-USB-2-0/dp/B0043QMJ4C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 13:02.00 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: yes, it is always a mess when the documentation is so wanting |
| 13:02.24 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: I had to wrestle with it myself, so you're not alone |
| 13:03.00 | KittyGirl | http://tinyurl.com/73rar3y |
| 13:03.33 | jackbrownhf | tech_: .) |
| 13:03.40 | KittyGirl | tech_: ^ |
| 13:03.48 | jackbrownhf | tech_: it's a shame because there are no conky competitor and conky seems the best program to do this |
| 13:03.49 | KittyGirl | Click that image link. :D |
| 13:04.09 | tech_ | KittyGirl: I'm actually impressed |
| 13:04.22 | jackbrownhf | KittyGirl: cool a OS from the future |
| 13:04.26 | jackbrownhf | *an |
| 13:04.36 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: well, if you use KDE then there's always Superkaramba |
| 13:04.43 | KittyGirl | jackbrownhf: :D |
| 13:04.44 | jackbrownhf | superkaramba |
| 13:04.44 | KittyGirl | tech_: :D |
| 13:04.45 | jackbrownhf | mhh |
| 13:04.53 | KittyGirl | tech_: I ran an IRC bot on it. |
| 13:05.02 | KittyGirl | It was stable. The bot had perfect uptime! |
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| 13:05.35 | abrotman | jackbrownhf: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:05.42 | tech_ | KittyGirl: 98 kinda reminds me of XP. Not very stable at first but, as time went along, both became very solid |
| 13:05.50 | jackbrownhf | tech_: my dream is Conky with Accuweather , System monitor, mail check and all ports netwkork checker |
| 13:06.07 | jackbrownhf | abrotman: i'm trying to install a preconfigured conky configuration I failed |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | jaoow: do you know the chipset that drives it ? |
| 13:06.17 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: thats what i'm already doing with my conky on wheezy |
| 13:06.29 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: you succeed ? |
| 13:06.44 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: yes, been using it now for about a fortnight |
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| 13:06.45 | tech_ | abrotman: what's the chipset got to do with it? just curious |
| 13:06.52 | abrotman | tech_: for the wireless adapter? |
| 13:07.00 | KittyGirl | tech_: I have a screenshot of it running firefox3. |
| 13:07.10 | tech_ | abrotman: oh, you're talking about something else, LOL\ |
| 13:07.12 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: are you customizing everything by yourself or are you using a pre existing configuration ? |
| 13:07.14 | KittyGirl | One of the last versions of firefox3. |
| 13:07.18 | abrotman | tech_: keep up ... |
| 13:07.25 | KittyGirl | tech_: Let me query you. |
| 13:07.29 | abrotman | KittyGirl: do you need help with Debian? |
| 13:07.29 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: you want me to pist my cronkyrc for you to =perhaps use? |
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| 13:07.39 | boudiccas | post |
| 13:07.40 | tech_ | abrotman: it's early morning here, man. still drinking my coffee |
| 13:07.43 | wols_ | jackbrownhf: you will need the package firmware-atheros from non-free |
| 13:07.58 | tech_ | KittyGirl: yes? |
| 13:08.00 | KittyGirl | abrotman: Reason why I asked to query tech_ is because I know I'm being oftc before you say anything .lol |
| 13:08.05 | KittyGirl | tech_: Let me PM you. |
| 13:08.17 | wols_ | jaoow: you need the package firmware-atheros from non-free |
| 13:08.17 | abrotman | there is a #debian-offtopic |
| 13:08.17 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: i started off wioth someone elses config, then added to it till it does what i want |
| 13:08.21 | jaoow | abrotman: No... |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | jaoow: the chipset is the important bit .. |
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| 13:08.50 | wols_ | jaoow: plug it in and run "lsusb" |
| 13:09.09 | abrotman | jaoow: do you already have the device? |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman | it's an Atheros card |
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| 13:10.03 | jackbrownhf | the same boudiccas about was i'm trying to do, Mind to share a screenshot ? |
| 13:10.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jaoow about tl-wn721n |
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| 13:10.51 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: that may be problematicall as i'm not sure i've installed screnshot yet, but i can post the config file for you |
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| 13:11.24 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: thanks ;) |
| 13:11.35 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: k, wait 3 |
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| 13:16.23 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: http://dpaste.com/846333/ |
| 13:16.37 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: thanks |
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| 13:17.26 | tech_ | jackbrownhf: so, did you find what you were looking for? |
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| 13:19.08 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I don't think so, for that I shold spend a long time to study conky configuration in details |
| 13:19.11 | jackbrownhf | tech_: it's an hard job |
| 13:19.24 | tech_ | I undserstand |
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| 13:19.29 | jackbrownhf | tech_: boudiccas anyway now I have a good point of start |
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| 13:19.49 | jackbrownhf | tech_: I should try to install other pre configured configuration files |
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| 13:20.04 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: just take the bits that you want out of others configs add them to yours and see it running, gradually you'll build up thhhs suied for you |
| 13:20.35 | boudiccas | build up te one thats suited for you |
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| 13:22.33 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: sure need time, |
| 13:23.01 | jackbrownhf | boudiccas: why nobody make a great GUI configuration for conky, would be amazing |
| 13:23.24 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: it took me one sunday afternoon researching it and trying things out to builhat you've now got |
| 13:23.30 | ompaul | jackbrownhf: because no committee ever matched exactly one of it's members thinking |
| 13:23.45 | jackbrownhf | got it |
| 13:23.48 | jackbrownhf | thanks for hlep |
| 13:23.49 | jackbrownhf | help |
| 13:24.39 | boudiccas | jackbrownhf: if you want the weather scripts and the gmail scrips then ask me in #deban-offtopic and i'll post them up for you. i'm off for dinner now |
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| 13:32.34 | epzil0n | whi guys will cinnamon be in the repos, any plans for that? |
| 13:35.17 | jelly-home | ,v cinnamon |
| 13:35.18 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.6.7-1 |
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| 13:35.40 | jelly-home | ,i cinnamon --release sid |
| 13:35.41 | judd | Package cinnamon (x11, optional) in sid/i386: Innovative and comfortable desktop. Version: 1.6.7-1; Size: 481.6k; Installed: 1893k; Homepage: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/cinnamon |
| 13:35.45 | jelly-home | epzil0n: it's there already, it seems |
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| 13:52.20 | abrotman | thinks he did that right |
| 13:52.46 | BeryCZ | Hi |
| 13:53.24 | BadCodSmell | wols: No, it does not answer my question. My question was not how can I build a custom cd, my question was how and where does it detect and mount the installation media. |
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| 13:55.44 | BeryCZ | I'm pretty a noob, used ubuntu almost 2 years and now im trying to install debian (testing) on my new laptop... i already did, but there is a problem with atheros eth card (AR8162)... I tried to install driver by http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx (used compat-wireless-2012-12-14-p.tar.bz2 / atl1c) but it doesnt use it :( could anybody help, pls? |
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| 13:59.47 | abrotman | BeryCZ: debian has that driver already |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | !atl1c |
| 13:59.49 | dpkg | atl1c is a driver supporting Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1063) and AR8132 Fast Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1062) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of version 2.6.29; the driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22 (part of the <5.0.5> point release). See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>. |
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| 14:00.21 | abrotman | forgot to use tell ... |
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| 14:02.59 | nkuttler | i need to host a small repository, any recommendations for which tool to use? http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 14:03.57 | nkuttler | for my own backports btw |
| 14:04.26 | BeryCZ | abrotman, dpkg: dont see that in synaptic...? (btw what software repositary should i use for debian testing?) |
| 14:04.36 | abrotman | nkuttler: i think most use reprepro or whatever it is |
| 14:04.49 | nkuttler | abrotman: ok, will have a look |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | BeryCZ: it's not something you have to install separately |
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| 14:05.10 | abrotman | BeryCZ: it's already part of your kernel, probably just needed to be configured |
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| 14:05.21 | abrotman | though, now that you've installed whatever that link told oyu to do, who knows |
| 14:05.50 | abrotman | BeryCZ: did you look through 'dmesg' to see if it finds your card? |
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| 14:08.46 | BeryCZ | abrotman: dmesg | grep - eth find just bluetooth |
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| 14:09.12 | BeryCZ | abrotman: as i said, im a noob... |
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| 14:10.54 | abrotman | BeryCZ: grep -i you mean ? |
| 14:11.07 | BeryCZ | abrotman: oh, yep, sure :) |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | BeryCZ: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | BeryCZ: does the system have any internet? |
| 14:11.49 | BeryCZ | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:12.24 | BeryCZ | yep, wifi broadcom... |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | BeryCZ: can you pastebin 'lspci -nn' at paste.debian.net |
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| 14:15.05 | BeryCZ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/216415 |
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| 14:15.33 | abrotman | looks |
| 14:16.00 | BeryCZ | abrotman: tnx |
| 14:16.10 | abrotman | BeryCZ: oh, hrm, it doesn't seem to be supported at all yet ... what was that URl you used? |
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| 14:16.40 | abrotman | BeryCZ: let me read that URL .. moment |
| 14:16.41 | BeryCZ | abrotman: howto: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | atl1c does not support that .. let me see if alx is in debian somewhere |
| 14:17.37 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i used http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6/2012/12/compat-wireless-2012-12-14-p.tar.bz2 but there wasnt alx anymore... empty dir... so i thought alt1c could help |
| 14:18.11 | abrotman | don't think wireless would help for your wired NIC? |
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| 14:19.33 | BeryCZ | abrotman: huh? i dont understand |
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| 14:20.42 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i'm reading the docs, hold on |
| 14:20.52 | BeryCZ | abrotman: kk, tnx |
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| 14:23.41 | anddam | wols_: I can, and it's what I actually did. I was curious about why I couldn't run the file since it's 555 and it has the correct shebang |
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| 14:23.49 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i have this feeling it's called atlx now ? |
| 14:24.57 | BeryCZ | i know nothing about that, but there is a atlx driver, should i try it? |
| 14:25.22 | BeryCZ | abrotman: ^ |
| 14:25.32 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i don't think your tv will explode if it doesn't work .. so why not |
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| 14:25.45 | boudiccas | TIAS |
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| 14:27.12 | BeryCZ | abrotman: the "./scripts/driver-select atlx" says "unsuported driver" |
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| 14:27.21 | abrotman | BeryCZ: yeah, i got that too |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i'm building all of them to see what comes out |
| 14:28.21 | KittyGirl | abrotman: Build my ass to see if shit comes out. |
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| 14:28.52 | abrotman | KittyGirl: i'm not sure if that was meant to be funny, take it elsewhere |
| 14:29.26 | tech_ | KittyGirl: I'm surprised anyone could hear her, lol |
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| 14:30.08 | BeryCZ | abrotman: tnx, i tried atl1c and it installed... but seems like it doesnt work... atlx says unsuported driver, so i can try the atl1e |
| 14:30.18 | tech_ | KittyGirl: I was talking abohe mp3 you linked |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | tech_: please stop |
| 14:30.33 | tech_ | ??? |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | BeryCZ: you can check dmesg to see if it detects any hardware it supports |
| 14:31.06 | tech_ | abrotman: I'm talking about something totally unrelated. We were on a private channel |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | tech_: you're in this channel, please stop |
| 14:31.31 | tech_ | ??? |
| 14:31.56 | tech_ | abrotman: I'm serious. I have *no idea* what you're talking about |
| 14:32.00 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i dont know which hardware it supports :) |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | tech_: if you want to talk to Kitty, do it in msg, thank you |
| 14:32.38 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i know, the docs could be better |
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| 14:33.52 | BeryCZ | abrotman: dmesg | grep -i atl1c - nothing (if there could be something) |
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| 14:34.09 | abrotman | BeryCZ: you can probably just 'cat /var/log/dmesg' and see what it says |
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| 14:34.14 | ImUrVenus | hello tech_ |
| 14:34.32 | tech_ | yes? |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | oh goodie .. ban evasion |
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| 14:35.18 | ImUrVenus | I have a question |
| 14:35.31 | ImUrVenus | I'm struggling to set the root path for sudo. |
| 14:35.59 | ImUrVenus | I can't run root commands as sudo. |
| 14:36.19 | petn-randall | ImUrVenus: Give an example. |
| 14:36.39 | ImUrVenus | like apt-get. |
| 14:36.49 | BeryCZ | abrotman: all dmesg is pretty big |
| 14:36.57 | ImUrVenus | if I do echo $PATH I have no sbin paths. |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | BeryCZ: you're only looking at the last dozen lines or so |
| 14:37.34 | ImUrVenus | abrotman: Who's ban evading? |
| 14:37.42 | abrotman | you |
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| 14:38.10 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i wonder if they took the support out ? |
| 14:38.12 | ImUrVenus | abrotman: According to the banlist I'm not even banned. |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:39.02 | ImUrVenus | What are the sbin paths that are meant to appear in $PATH and how do I configure them for sudo? |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | man sudoers .. good luck |
| 14:39.19 | ImUrVenus | Okay. |
| 14:39.27 | ImUrVenus | Ur a true friend of mine little abrotman |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:39.33 | themill | dpkg: tell ImUrVenus about sudo path |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | themill: fishing! |
| 14:40.00 | BeryCZ | abrotman: who they? what support? :) |
| 14:40.10 | abrotman | BeryCZ: it seems like it was there .. i don't see it now |
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| 14:40.30 | buscon | hi |
| 14:40.46 | buscon | I want to install debian on a macbook |
| 14:41.04 | buscon | which image should I download if I want a 64bit debian? |
| 14:41.11 | buscon | amd64 image? |
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| 14:41.16 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 14:41.21 | soulz | yes |
| 14:41.21 | buscon | ok, thx |
| 14:41.29 | buscon | the name is a bit misleading ;) |
| 14:41.39 | ImUrVenus | Thankies :3 ur a star themill |
| 14:41.46 | ImUrVenus | and I'm a venus |
| 14:41.50 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i dont know now, what are you talking about? |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | BeryCZ: did you find anything in dmesg? |
| 14:42.12 | abrotman | BeryCZ: can you pastebin your whole /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 14:43.13 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i dont see anything helpfull, pastebin will be better |
| 14:43.24 | abrotman | paste.dbian.net please |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | debian |
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| 14:44.55 | ImUrVenus | abrotman: It's paste.debian.net not paste.dbian.net. lol |
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| 14:45.16 | abrotman | ImUrVenus: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 14:45.24 | BeryCZ | abrotman: yeah, but wait, cant connect, prolly a wifi issue |
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| 14:50.16 | BeryCZ | abrotman: paste.debian.net/216420 |
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| 14:50.49 | abrotman | looks |
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| 14:53.28 | Rikle_S | wols_: ? |
| 14:53.42 | abrotman | BeryCZ: awesome .. i see nothing that implies it's functional |
| 14:54.38 | BeryCZ | so what should I do? :) |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | BeryCZ: curse a bit .. |
| 14:55.38 | BeryCZ | :-D |
| 14:55.47 | BeryCZ | i do that from yesterday |
| 14:55.52 | abrotman | BeryCZ: ask ##linux if they're aware of a driver that would make it work, tell them you've already tried to compile/load that driver |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | or even ##kernel if they're willing to talk about kernel driver stuff for linux |
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| 14:56.54 | BeryCZ | abrotman: ok, i'll try, tnx a lot |
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| 14:57.10 | abrotman | BeryCZ: if they give you a driver to try, you can come back, and we'll try to help you with it |
| 14:58.05 | BeryCZ | abrotman: kk, tnx again |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | BeryCZ: sorry i couldn't be more help |
| 14:59.13 | BeryCZ | abrotman: np... experience for next time, dont buy a new laptop :-D |
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| 15:00.30 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i do, but i buy tihnkpads :) |
| 15:01.17 | Rikle_S | wols_> Rikle_S: then dd the iso to your usb device: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdd where you change to the proper filename and device |
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| 15:01.54 | Rikle_S | ok, i just understand |
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| 15:12.15 | Rikle_S | is there something to do to make usb bootable ? |
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| 15:12.28 | Rikle_S | it doesn't mount |
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| 15:13.23 | abrotman | how did you prepare it? |
| 15:13.44 | Cyclohexane | sounds like he didn't |
| 15:14.17 | Rikle_S | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdd |
| 15:14.22 | xand | Rikle_S: er, mount and boot are different things - but generally you make them bootable the same way as a harddisk |
| 15:14.24 | Rikle_S | just that |
| 15:14.30 | xand | that should work fine |
| 15:14.46 | xand | bios configured correctly? |
| 15:14.53 | Rikle_S | mmmm |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | Rikle_S: zcat debian.iso > /dev/sdd && sync |
| 15:15.08 | Rikle_S | what must I verify ? |
| 15:15.19 | abrotman | uhm, cat, not zcat |
| 15:15.49 | xand | well does it boot from other usb sticks? |
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| 15:16.18 | Rikle_S | xand: never test |
| 15:16.31 | xand | well check that the boot order is correct |
| 15:16.40 | xand | or see if there a "boot menu" option when you turn on |
| 15:16.46 | Rikle_S | i haven't other computer to test it |
| 15:17.06 | Rikle_S | but when i insert sticks on my laptio |
| 15:17.09 | Rikle_S | laptop |
| 15:17.16 | Rikle_S | it mount as weel |
| 15:17.58 | Rikle_S | ok |
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| 15:18.01 | Rikle_S | in bios |
| 15:18.05 | Rikle_S | i have an option |
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| 15:21.19 | Rikle_S | stick doesn't mount :/ |
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| 15:22.17 | mtn | gotta love that enter key! |
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| 15:24.01 | BeryCZ | btw whats the right software repo for debian wheezy? and is it there everything, whats in 6.0.6? |
| 15:24.20 | abrotman | BeryCZ: pastebin your sources.list, we'll verify them |
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| 15:26.21 | Rikle_S | stick was in fat32, is it a problem ? |
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| 15:27.45 | xand | Rikle_S: shouldn't be, because that will get wiped off. |
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| 15:28.03 | robysath | Is there a server/channel specific for package maintainers to get help? |
| 15:28.35 | abrotman | !tell robysath about mentors |
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| 15:31.23 | anddam | wols_: it was simpler, the fstab entry had noexec option, I just remounted with exec and voilà |
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| 15:36.29 | Rikle_S | it reconise usb |
| 15:36.36 | Rikle_S | but when i select it |
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| 15:37.34 | Rikle_S | i have a message : reboot and select proper boot device |
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| 15:37.48 | zophy | is there a 3.6 kernel deb package for wheezy ? |
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| 15:40.58 | robysath | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:41.28 | BeryCZ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/216425 |
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| 15:42.48 | boudiccas | i have a backuo script [http://dpaste.com/846393/] which runs every 4 hours from a crin job, but it cant operate as $USER as it fails with permission errors, see http://dpaste.com/846393/ for the log, so i have to run it as root. how can i get it to run as $USER please? |
| 15:43.04 | boudiccas | cron |
| 15:43.41 | boudiccas | the target directory is an external usb drive owned by $USER but writable by root |
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| 15:46.27 | rgr | pastebin the ls -l output too of destination. But you probably want to run it using sudo as root and tell rsync to run in archive mode anyway. |
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| 15:47.21 | boudiccas | rgr: who are you talking too please? |
| 15:47.44 | rgr | yo |
| 15:47.46 | rgr | you |
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| 15:48.12 | boudiccas | oh, it would've been nice if you'd put the nick in, but no matter |
| 15:48.23 | rgr | ok, forget it. |
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| 15:50.26 | abrotman | zophy: made for wheezy? no, but they exist |
| 15:50.31 | abrotman | BeryCZ: looking |
| 15:51.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell BeryCZ about wheezy sources.list |
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| 15:51.57 | Brigo | boudiccas: forget it. |
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| 15:52.49 | boudiccas | rgrbrgok, i apologise. the output of ls -l etc is http://dpaste.com/846400/ |
| 15:53.39 | boudiccas | Brigo: i'm sorry. the output of ls -l is http://dpaste.com/846400/ |
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| 15:54.43 | Brigo | boudiccas: and ls -l ls -l /media/backup/, what are the permises of the back directory? |
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| 15:55.13 | Brigo | permisions ... |
| 15:55.25 | boudiccas | Brigo: afaik owned by $USER and writable by others |
| 15:56.16 | Brigo | can you execute the script sucessfully withot cron? |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | boudiccas: show us, don't make us guess |
| 15:56.23 | BeryCZ | abrotman: tnx |
| 15:56.25 | Brigo | whithout* |
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| 15:57.21 | sinedeviance | hi all. i have some questions that hopefully you guys might have some answers to |
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| 15:58.06 | sinedeviance | i have two servers. one is a home backup server. the other is a webserver. both run debian. what i want to do is setup a backup system that automatically tarballs the web directory once a night, or something similar, then have my backup server download that automatically after it's completed |
| 15:58.16 | sinedeviance | is there a software that already does this or should i just cron it? |
| 15:58.25 | abrotman | sinedeviance: rdiff-backup might work for you ? |
| 15:58.29 | abrotman | do you really want tarballs ? |
| 15:58.30 | themill | or rsnapshot |
| 15:58.32 | pbxbrian | It would be a great idea to randomise the positions of the network mirrors. Most people just select the first one on the list. Would be a simple way of distributing the load. |
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| 15:58.43 | sinedeviance | abrotman: eh, snapshots would work |
| 15:58.45 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, cron it. rsyncd + tar |
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| 15:58.57 | UltraMC | Hi, is there a way to start execution of a bash script on my debian server from a website? |
| 15:59.13 | sinedeviance | dcherniv: so rsyncd will pick out the differences and tar only the new files on the webserver? |
| 15:59.13 | xand | UltraMC: yes, but that may not be the most advisable thing in the world. |
| 15:59.17 | dcherniv | UltraMC, why yes. cgi has been around forever |
| 15:59.22 | sinedeviance | or do i need to setup the rsyncd on the backup server? |
| 15:59.29 | sinedeviance | (sorry, i have no experience with this stuff) |
| 15:59.45 | abrotman | UltraMC: that sounds dangerous |
| 15:59.53 | boudiccas | Brigo: abrotman and i was wrohttp://dpaste.com/846404/ng, but when its run from the cronjob root c reates the individual dated directories. and yes, i can use the script from the command line, but not as user, if i do i get the origianl error report |
| 15:59.53 | Brigo | UltraMC: i hope not :-) |
| 16:00.04 | UltraMC | What I want to do is a web GUI for trading in Minecraft multiplayer server. When Player takes action on website, I want all players to be announced in game... |
| 16:00.08 | sinedeviance | UltraMC: might be able to use webmin to do that |
| 16:00.18 | sinedeviance | oh. then i dunno |
| 16:00.25 | UltraMC | Maybe more secure thing is writing Java plugin for Minecraft itself to catch all activities on a website? |
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| 16:00.47 | zykotick9 | sinedeviance: webmin is never a good idea. see "/msg dpkg webmin" for some details. |
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| 16:01.05 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, well the way i see it here: 1. tar the weroot on the web-server every day, rsync the tarball to backup server. 2 backup server deletes the tarballs that are over X days old |
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| 16:01.21 | boudiccas | Brigo: abrotman and i was wrong ... http://dpaste.com/846404/ |
| 16:01.33 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, or you can just run multiple rsync jobs say, daily, weekly and monthly |
| 16:01.33 | Brigo | boudiccas: only root can write in this directory. |
| 16:01.50 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, that way you have 1 week and 1 month retention |
| 16:01.56 | dcherniv | !info rsync |
| 16:02.11 | abrotman | ... |
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| 16:02.22 | Brigo | !info rsync Brigo |
| 16:02.30 | UltraMC | Why it is so dangerous you say? |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | watches people repeatedly misuse the bot |
| 16:02.43 | abrotman | UltraMC: why is webmin bad? |
| 16:02.45 | boudiccas | Brigo: logically then, if i make it owned by user then the cron job should be able to run as user? is thn my ung? |
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| 16:02.54 | sinedeviance | dcherniv: okay. yeah it's gonna be like 10 gigs of data every day |
| 16:03.00 | Brigo | UltraMC: it can modify your system ... |
| 16:03.00 | sinedeviance | it'd be better to do incremental |
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| 16:03.04 | abrotman | sinedeviance: i'd use somehting that does diffs |
| 16:03.07 | sinedeviance | and then a full maybe once a month? |
| 16:03.14 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, incremental it is then |
| 16:03.16 | Brigo | boudiccas: i think so. |
| 16:03.18 | UltraMC | Not webadmin, the whole idea |
| 16:03.20 | abrotman | sinedeviance: or maybe checkin the data into git every day? |
| 16:03.21 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, rsync will do it for you |
| 16:03.23 | rgr | boudiccas: sorry, got cut off. Did my answer about using rsync as root but maintaining archive properties make sense? |
| 16:03.24 | sinedeviance | dcherniv: can rsync do that? |
| 16:03.40 | abrotman | UltraMC: i'ts an awful idea .. learn to admin correctly, don't expose a web interface known to have security issues |
| 16:03.42 | sinedeviance | ooh yeah thats another one. it has to maintain file permissions |
| 16:03.47 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, yes thats what its designed to do. It doesnt copy the files that exist in target |
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| 16:04.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sinedeviance about rdiff-backup |
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| 16:04.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sinedeviance about rsnapshot |
| 16:04.24 | rgr | rsnapshot is the easiest and best incremental backup imo. |
| 16:04.27 | sinedeviance | otherwise it will break the server if i restore a backup |
| 16:04.28 | boudiccas | Brigo: for some reaso, my sentences are being cut off by xcat. if i make the dirctory owned by user then the cron job should be able to operate as user then. am i right in my undertsanding? |
| 16:04.28 | sinedeviance | dcherniv: what if the file has been modified since last backup? it will still copy it, right? |
| 16:04.45 | sinedeviance | abrotman: thanks :D |
| 16:04.54 | Brigo | boudiccas: again, i think so. Try it. |
| 16:04.57 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, no problem, rsync -avz will take care of it |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | sinedeviance: read teh docs for the software |
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| 16:05.12 | boudiccas | rgr: sorry, i dont undertsand how i can make a cron job work as 'sudo' and unattended, and i thought that it was already having the archive flag set? |
| 16:05.13 | Brigo | boudiccas: try to create a file with touch file.example |
| 16:05.17 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, if the file has been modified the rsync will copy it over, overwriting the targe |
| 16:05.58 | rgr | when I say archive I mean it maintains owner and group. Which is what you want for files in your home dir : they are not all your own USER. |
| 16:06.34 | zykotick9 | dcherniv: i'd add a "u" for update to that rsync command you suggested. sinedeviance |
| 16:06.45 | sinedeviance | i think i'm gonna try rsnapshot. it seems like this may work beter |
| 16:06.48 | sinedeviance | beter* |
| 16:06.53 | sinedeviance | ARGH. better* |
| 16:07.15 | sinedeviance | does rsnapshot work via ssh or does it need to pull from a networked fileshare? |
| 16:07.23 | abrotman | read the docs and see ... |
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| 16:09.27 | dcherniv | sinedeviance, rsnapshot seems to just be a wrapper/script for rsync |
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| 16:09.36 | boudiccas | Brigo: cant do it, i guess that i dont have the right permissions. on looking at it in nautilus i can see the root flag has been set |
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| 16:10.28 | Rikle_S | i have a message : reboot and select proper boot device, has you got an idea ? |
| 16:10.29 | boudiccas | rgr: i'm the only user of this computeer and of /home . no one else has access to it as i live alone :) |
| 16:10.29 | abrotman | looks at chanserv ... |
| 16:10.37 | sinedeviance | well, i'm gonna go figure this all out. thanks a lot peeps :D |
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| 16:10.52 | rgr | it doesnt mattermany files are not your user and group. |
| 16:11.13 | rgr | or rather potentially are not. |
| 16:11.22 | abrotman | he's gone ? |
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| 16:11.32 | mtn | Rikle_S, looks like your usb wan't made correctly. try again seems like the best idea. |
| 16:11.54 | Brigo | boudiccas: try to modify the owner of the back dir,and try again. |
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| 16:13.14 | boudiccas | Brigo: i've just chown'd it an dnow its usable by user. thanks |
| 16:13.32 | Brigo | boudiccas: you are wellcome. |
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| 16:15.26 | boudiccas | Brigo: thats been bugging me for about 2 months now, and it seemed to start roughly when i started to use wheezy so i thought that had changed its permissions. thanks very much for sorting me out :) |
| 16:15.58 | rgr | boudiccas: I think you really need to understand permissions and ownership a little more - and in the backup ensure you maintain them. : here - http://serverfault.com/questions/141773/what-is-archive-mode-in-rsync |
| 16:16.55 | boudiccas | rgr: thanks, i'l have a look at it after i've swopped all the cron jobs over back to user again. many thanks again |
| 16:17.16 | rgr | if you do that then you wont be able to use archive mode... |
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| 16:17.41 | rgr | but so long as yo're aware you can come back to it . good luck. |
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| 16:19.53 | FGH` | i downloaded samba4 from git but where can i find the smb.conf |
| 16:20.08 | abrotman | have you read the docs? asked #samba? |
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| 16:21.16 | philluminati | How long with Debian Stable 6.06 be supported for please? |
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| 16:21.54 | abrotman | philluminati: roughly one year after the release of wheezy |
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| 16:24.06 | doublehp | any one VERY good in grub 1 can send me a private message ? thanks. |
| 16:24.07 | philluminati | wheezy = debian testing |
| 16:24.32 | xand | doublehp: that's a bit rude, just ask in channel. |
| 16:24.32 | abrotman | philluminati: currently, yes |
| 16:24.48 | doublehp | xand it's off topic, and very long to explain |
| 16:25.09 | abrotman | why is it offtopic? |
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| 16:25.12 | abrotman | also, there's a #grub |
| 16:25.19 | xand | ask in #grub then |
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| 16:26.24 | doublehp | abrotman: #grub refuses to support grub 1. It's not specifically retaed to debian installation |
| 16:26.49 | Nach0z | yeah the grub channel dropped grub legacy support a looong time ago |
| 16:27.04 | abrotman | doublehp: what is it related to? |
| 16:27.22 | xand | grub 1 is so much nicer than 2 though :( |
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| 16:27.32 | xand | talk about way overcomplicating things |
| 16:27.37 | xand | anyway |
| 16:27.37 | doublehp | abrotman: loosing 8h in trying to make that disk boot. |
| 16:27.48 | abrotman | doublehp: use the supergrub disk |
| 16:28.01 | philluminati | Ok this page has my answers. sorry for bothering you guys: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:28.08 | doublehp | abrotman: can it be used over PXE ? |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | doublehp: NFC, look at the docs |
| 16:28.52 | doublehp | abrotman: superdisk is using grub 2; i need to stick to grub1 |
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| 16:29.09 | abrotman | IIRC, they have a grub1 version on their website somewhere |
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| 16:29.35 | xand | I wish I had debian on my desktop instead of ubuntu :( |
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| 16:36.12 | phogg | xand: why wish? |
| 16:36.25 | xand | because I can't get debian to boot on it. |
| 16:36.51 | wols_ | and it's prevented by what? |
| 16:37.03 | jelly-home | turtles |
| 16:37.06 | xand | apple EFI rubbish |
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| 16:45.12 | neon__ | can anyone help me figure out a problem with keycodes? |
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| 16:48.28 | Brigo | is there a way to load a image on boot like splashy in wheezy? |
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| 16:49.25 | abrotman | Brigo: plymouth ? |
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| 16:50.19 | Brigo | i will see ... |
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| 16:50.44 | Brigo | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 16:53.25 | thoonai | hey |
| 16:53.39 | thoonai | how do I can disable the screensaver? |
| 16:54.32 | thoonai | I tried 'xset s off' and 'xset -dpms s off' written in the rc.local |
| 16:54.52 | Brigo | thoonai: gnome? |
| 16:55.05 | themill | thoonai: you'd decide if you were asking about debian or raspbian... and the environment you are asking about is quite relevant |
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| 16:56.00 | thoonai | Brigo: raspbian with oenbox |
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| 16:56.06 | julius_ | hi |
| 16:56.13 | thoonai | themill: raspbian ... I hope im still right here |
| 16:56.17 | thoonai | themill: ;) |
| 16:56.28 | themill | thoonai: #raspbian is just over there .... |
| 16:56.29 | julius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.54 | Devastator | julius_ what can #debian do for you? |
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| 17:03.56 | CAPSLOCKGUY | WHEN THE FUCK WILL WHEEZY BE RELEASED? |
| 17:04.41 | ompaul | someone shoot the troll please |
| 17:04.42 | un214 | who cares? upgrade now |
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| 17:05.46 | thoonai | CAPSLOCKGUY: HEY, PLEASE DONT CAPSLOCK AROUND, thanks |
| 17:05.50 | phogg | !tell CAPSLOCKGUY about wir |
| 17:05.53 | abrotman | thoonai: don't feed the troll |
| 17:05.54 | phogg | !tell CAPSLOCKGUY about siyh |
| 17:06.37 | un214 | I suggest we feed the troll abrotman's daggers mmmkay |
| 17:06.44 | CAPSLOCKGUY | I'M NOT A TROLL |
| 17:07.02 | un214 | either you're using a 1970's console or you're a troll |
| 17:07.07 | abrotman | un214: please, stop |
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| 17:09.55 | CAPSLOCKGUY | for updating my flash player plugin, when I try `apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree` it says it's already updated but when I try `update-flashplugin-nonfree` it gets updated, what is the difference? |
| 17:10.09 | thoonai | somebody here, interested in solving openbox screensaver problems in #raspbian, theres nobody alive |
| 17:10.09 | neon__ | I experience a bug similar to this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/255008 |
| 17:11.05 | FGH` | how can i change a dns enty in the samba inernal dns |
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| 17:11.34 | un214 | CAPSLOCKGUY: I took to downloading manually a long time ago |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | FGH`: you're aware of #samba, right ? |
| 17:12.14 | jelly-home | CAPSLOCKGUY: one installs a downloader tool, the other uses it |
| 17:12.18 | FGH` | yes |
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| 17:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | Samba doesn't have an "internal DNS". |
| 17:18.14 | wols_ | jhutchins_wk: WINS? |
| 17:18.39 | jhutchins_wk | wols_: Could be what he's talking about, but a very different system. |
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| 17:19.37 | alexf | Hai guys. Anyone know why I can't use the cp command with the * wildcard, if it's something debian specific or if I'm just being stupid? |
| 17:19.50 | jelly-home | alexf: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:19.50 | abrotman | alexf: pastebin |
| 17:20.05 | alexf | k one moment |
| 17:20.06 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 17:20.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:20.43 | alexf | jelly-home: if that's directed at me, I feel like I did just ask the question, though I'm sorry if I wasn't very specific I didn't think this question required many details. |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | waits for the paste |
| 17:21.29 | xand | alexf: you can use cp with * |
| 17:21.30 | jelly-home | alexf: yes, it.s for you; please provide the exact command line and the complete output |
| 17:21.32 | xand | what doesn't work? |
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| 17:22.33 | alexf | cp: cannot stat './*': No such file or directory |
| 17:22.45 | alexf | same thing for * without a ./ |
| 17:23.01 | un214 | are you in a deleted directory? |
| 17:23.05 | alexf | nop |
| 17:23.11 | un214 | how about an empty one? |
| 17:23.23 | alexf | no, although all the files start with a . |
| 17:23.31 | un214 | * doesn't match a leading . |
| 17:23.35 | alexf | bam |
| 17:23.56 | alexf | ok, so .* for the win |
| 17:23.59 | alexf | thank you |
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| 17:24.08 | un214 | alexf: careful of .* that matches .. |
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| 17:25.19 | alexf | well it will error on .. because it can't copy, i would think |
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| 17:27.52 | doublehp | what are the arguments to "grub-installer" ? |
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| 17:29.26 | neon__ | why setxkbmap -model xfree86 doesn't change the model? |
| 17:30.43 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: To start with, most *nix commands honor the --help argument. Many also respond to -h. The apropos command will show you manpages related to a partial command like apropos grub. |
| 17:32.07 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: grub-installer does not like -h or --help |
| 17:32.25 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: it does not either have man page, and is not documented in google |
| 17:32.26 | xand | man grub-intaller? |
| 17:32.28 | xand | +s |
| 17:32.30 | xand | oh. |
| 17:32.36 | FGH` | i try to change the dns ip of my server with this command : ./samba-tool dns update 127.0.0.1 test.lan DEBIAN A 192.168.1.102 192.168.1.240 but it asks for but it asks for Password for [TEST\root]: which password i should fill in there ? |
| 17:32.46 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Try that last command I gave you. |
| 17:33.02 | un214 | FGH`: are you using pure sudo? |
| 17:33.17 | xand | is it not grub-install? |
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| 17:33.46 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: command not found |
| 17:33.50 | xand | (which does have --help) |
| 17:34.00 | FGH` | un214 i;m already logged in as root. |
| 17:34.01 | xand | you broke apropos? |
| 17:34.04 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Sorry. Try auto-complete for grub-ins |
| 17:34.16 | xand | FGH`: root samba password I suppose. |
| 17:34.18 | jhutchins_wk | xand: I think it may not be a default app, I always use it. |
| 17:34.20 | un214 | FGH`: it's the domain controller's root password it wants |
| 17:34.32 | xand | it's grub-install not grub-installer |
| 17:34.36 | un214 | I forget if it can use the unix password backend or only its own |
| 17:34.48 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: bash completion want's to complete with bash arguments ... which i really don't care when it comes to grub |
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| 17:36.32 | doublehp | xand it's grub-installer in the debian installer, and it refuses to work the same way grub-install does; thus asking |
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| 17:36.54 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Your problem is something you're doing. I'm trying to help you discover it yourself so you're not too embarassed. |
| 17:36.58 | FGH` | un214 can i not supply another username |
| 17:37.19 | FGH` | un214 he try's to auth with a root name but in my samba i dont have an account named root only a account named administrator |
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| 17:37.31 | cusco | o.O |
| 17:37.32 | FGH` | and it does not accept anypassword i give |
| 17:37.37 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: so, where is the documentation for grub-installer ? |
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| 17:37.58 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: There is none. |
| 17:38.16 | jhutchins_wk | grub-install, on the other hand... |
| 17:38.24 | doublehp | and still, you told me to read the man page and apropos ... |
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| 17:38.44 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: grub-installer refuses to accept the same arguments as grub-install !!! |
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| 17:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | Sigh. I need to go work on my car. |
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| 17:40.03 | themill | doublehp: I guess one of the questions to ask would be where "grub-installer" came from |
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| 17:41.05 | doublehp | themill: debian installer |
| 17:41.28 | themill | doublehp: the documentation is likely to be the source then -- these are not commands you're expected to touch |
| 17:41.49 | doublehp | :/ |
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| 17:44.12 | doublehp | themill: if it at least had --help support ... |
| 17:44.19 | doublehp | am i expecting too much ? |
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| 17:44.28 | themill | that wouldn't change the fact that you're not supposed to use it |
| 17:44.42 | doublehp | computers are not expected to break |
| 17:44.45 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Yeah, I think you are. Why are you trying to pass arguments to an internal componenet of the installer? |
| 17:44.59 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: I was assuming a regular debian system. |
| 17:45.09 | doublehp | themill: from your theory, the second console in the installer is never expected to be used !! why is it here then ? |
| 17:45.23 | themill | doublehp: that's not what I said at all |
| 17:45.57 | CAPSLOCKGUY | THANKS jelly-home, GOT IT. THE INSTALLER DOESN'T PRINT ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT FUCKING DOES |
| 17:46.08 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: ah, you are right, it does not accept any argument at all |
| 17:46.24 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: when using bash completion, it's the only command starting with "grub" |
| 17:46.35 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: why is debian installing the real grub ? |
| 17:47.02 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: As opposed to what? |
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| 17:47.26 | xand | doublehp: oh I see. |
| 17:47.43 | doublehp | some one got my point :/ |
| 17:47.57 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: You're not giving us enoguh info about what you're trying to do, but I'm guessing you might want to complete the install without grub then go back and do what ever you have in mind afterwares. |
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| 17:48.10 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: obviously: install grub |
| 17:48.49 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: No, not obviously, the installer does that on it's own, and it took a while for you to mention the installer. |
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| 17:49.28 | wols_ | doublehp: there is no "grub-installer" there is only grub-install. It has a manpage and docs but it might not have in the debian installer environment |
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| 17:49.46 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: i want to make my disk bootable. System is installed since yesterday, and I have met 20 different ways to make grub fail. Latest one: http://pastebin.com/7UbjBHZf after reboot, i don't even get the "GRUB" word, just blinking dash |
| 17:49.48 | optimusprimem | hello |
| 17:49.48 | themill | wols_: grub-installer is an internal component of d-i |
| 17:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | wols_: He appears to be trying to do something as yet unspecified within the debian install process. |
| 17:50.26 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Ok, re-running the installer is not the correct approach. |
| 17:50.38 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: i was assuming that all debian people from here would know that the debian installer is the EXCLUSIVE PLACE where you can find the grub-installer command ... |
| 17:50.40 | wols_ | doublehp: I suggest you end the install as jhutchins_wk suggested, install grub-2 from the repos if it's not already there and then use the normal grub2 commands debian provides to solve your problem. just don't reboot at the end of the install |
| 17:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: It's likely that grub was not installed to the MBR of the default disk. |
| 17:50.53 | doublehp | wols_: no, i sware: grub-installer !!! |
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| 17:51.10 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: Most of us don't run the installer that often. We run it once per machine, then upgrade. |
| 17:51.29 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 17:51.29 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 17:51.41 | abrotman | when did this become related to Debian ? |
| 17:51.55 | wols_ | doublehp: if tool x doesn't provide the solution one needs it's a good behaviour to try another tool which usually provides the same thing, in this case grub2 from debian repos |
| 17:52.08 | doublehp | wols_: after reboot, installer will not allow to resume an install; it will force me to reinstall it all; the disk is installed properlty, cause it's a copy of the previous working disk. |
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| 17:52.34 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: No, it's probably not. |
| 17:52.43 | wols_ | doublehp: I expressly told you not to reboot. and even if you reboot: you can still boot into your new debian from any debian boot mendium |
| 17:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: You are making false assumptions rather than seeking the actual solution. |
| 17:53.04 | wols_ | doublehp: so there is never even the chance that you need to reinstall anything. ever. |
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| 17:53.34 | doublehp | wols_: how do i boot my disk from "any mendium" ? |
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| 17:54.27 | wols_ | doublehp: /msg dpkg rescue /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 17:54.46 | wols_ | in most general terms: you boot the boot medium and chroot to your installation |
| 17:54.49 | doublehp | that's a good tip: set up my PXE server to read the kernel from TFTP, but use the local disk as / .... |
| 17:55.01 | doublehp | wols_: I am already in the rescue mode |
| 17:55.08 | wols_ | then chroot |
| 17:55.28 | wols_ | and it doesn't matter if you use PXE or pigeons |
| 17:55.30 | Jordan_U | doublehp: If you use grub2 then your installation will be able to boot from any disk (that your firmware supports). |
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| 17:55.47 | doublehp | forgot chroot, cause it just failed from DSL; but had not try it yet in Debian installer |
| 17:56.05 | doublehp | Jordan_U: no, not grub 2 yet in my PXE server |
| 17:56.20 | wols_ | doublehp: BEFORE you chroot, bind mount your /dev and /proc inside the chroot |
| 17:56.33 | doublehp | like in gentoo |
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| 17:57.32 | Jordan_U | doublehp: I don't understand your last comment to me, could you please rephrase it? |
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| 17:59.47 | doublehp | Jordan_U: my PXE server does not yet have a grub 2 section, but if you help me setting it up, i would enjoy having one. |
| 18:00.34 | Jordan_U | doublehp: What do you mean by "section"? |
| 18:00.35 | doublehp | did mount bind, then chroot, and ran grub from the chroot: execution was fine, but after reboot, no chance. |
| 18:00.53 | doublehp | Jordan_U: my PXE server has an OS selector menu |
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| 18:01.14 | nkuttler | ,v linux-container |
| 18:01.15 | judd | No package named 'linux-container' was found in i386. |
| 18:01.22 | doublehp | letting me choose between GRML, DSL, and Debian installers, and AMD64 |
| 18:01.48 | neon__ | maybe I'll just go back to windows XP. |
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| 18:02.32 | abrotman | sure, give up |
| 18:02.48 | Jordan_U | doublehp: You have an external drive containing a Debian installation which you want to be able to move to an internal drive and boot, correct? |
| 18:03.07 | neon__ | I spent all day trying to solve choppy recoding sound, and bad keyboard on NX |
| 18:03.22 | nkuttler | funny when you find references to packages that don't exist in bug reports.. |
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| 18:03.30 | neon__ | In windows this issue don't even come up |
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| 18:04.21 | abrotman | neon__: can't help with NX .. but what are you using to record sound? |
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| 18:04.56 | neon__ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) abrotman |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | i meant what program |
| 18:05.30 | doublehp | Jordan_U: no; to be specific, i have a 2G CF card on IDE adaptor, and moving to 16G new CF card; only one adaptor, can't plug both CF at a time. And the easiest boot is PXE. Really. It avoids having block mapping change after moving stuff |
| 18:05.58 | doublehp | Jordan_U: i did reformat and cp -a, but MBR is an issue. dd with bs=446 also failed |
| 18:05.58 | neon__ | gnome-sound-recorder abrotman |
| 18:06.08 | abrotman | neon__: i've had good luck with audacity |
| 18:06.20 | neon__ | i'll try |
| 18:06.29 | abrotman | neon__: also, which kernel? |
| 18:06.47 | neon__ | 3.2 |
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| 18:07.11 | neon__ | I upgraded in order to fix the sound problem, but it didn't help |
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| 18:07.25 | Jordan_U | doublehp: If you can't have both CF cards plugged in at the same time then how are you copying data between them? Are you using a third drive? |
| 18:07.46 | doublehp | neon__: Windows CD won't even boot on my computer; and won't offer me to have software equaliser ... like i have in alsa ... |
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| 18:08.09 | doublehp | Jordan_U: putting them one after the other on my USB desktop adapter |
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| 18:09.30 | Jordan_U | doublehp: And where is the data from the first card stored before you take it out to put the second card in? |
| 18:09.38 | doublehp | desktop |
| 18:10.02 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Which is backed by an internal drive? |
| 18:10.03 | doublehp | my desktop has 4T storage; it can be a good buffer for almost anything |
| 18:10.55 | abrotman | doublehp: i thought you said this wasn't Debian related? |
| 18:10.58 | doublehp | Jordan_U: no; it's daily backup internally on raid disks; then I do a monthly manual backup on external offline USB |
| 18:11.02 | Jordan_U | doublehp: OK. What version of Debian is installed to the CF card? |
| 18:11.39 | doublehp | abrotman: the desktop is gentoo, and my main PXE OS, are GRML and DSL ... |
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| 18:12.20 | doublehp | Jordan_U: according to source.list, sarge |
| 18:13.06 | abrotman | doublehp: so how is this a Debian problem ? |
| 18:13.17 | Jordan_U | doublehp: "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 has been superseded by Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch). Security updates have been discontinued as of the end of March 2008." |
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| 18:13.39 | doublehp | abrotman: to me, it is not |
| 18:13.47 | abrotman | doublehp: then why are you asking here? use ##linux or something |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:13.54 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Note that sarge is so old that even etch, which followed it, is EOL. |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | Jordan_U: please go with him to ##linux, this doesn't appear to be related to Debian |
| 18:14.16 | neon__ | abrotman, in audacity I managed to record by lowering the volume of the mic almost to zero. But the image looks biased! the zero line is on +1 instead of 0! |
| 18:14.35 | abrotman | biased? |
| 18:14.44 | doublehp | abrotman: i started by asking if there were good people in grub 1, and ask for private message; some people were curious and asked me what my problem was |
| 18:15.10 | abrotman | sends them all to ##doublehp |
| 18:15.13 | doublehp | abrotman: i came here because there are good people here, and i still hope that some people here remember about grub 1 |
| 18:15.33 | abrotman | doublehp: take it somewhere else, thank you |
| 18:15.34 | neon__ | abrotman, Yes, biased. That means that the wave is not around the zero, but around some other value. In my case +1. |
| 18:15.37 | bazhang | #grub exists |
| 18:15.44 | abrotman | bazhang: they don't like grub1 |
| 18:15.56 | doublehp | bazhang: #grub refused to help about grub1 topics |
| 18:15.58 | bazhang | abrotman, ok apologies |
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| 18:18.28 | Jordan_U | doublehp: I would recommend that you upgrade to squeeze or newer, where you won't have any problems with device enumeration changes and you'll actually have a supported OS. |
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| 18:19.28 | doublehp | Jordan_U: upgrades mean breaking services. I only need to fix those 446 bytes at the begin of my disk, nothing more. I don't need to upgrade a hundred packages just to fix my MBR. |
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| 18:19.51 | neon__ | http://dug.im/3d172 abrotman see the bias |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | neon__: oh, that is weird .. i've not seen that |
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| 18:22.41 | neon__ | abrotman, because it is so high up, it clips and sound choppy very easily |
| 18:22.42 | wols_ | doublehp: why do you use grub1? |
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| 18:23.00 | wols_ | oh sarge |
| 18:23.46 | doublehp | wols_: because when i can put it on my MBR, it does what i need, does not install itself on other partitions, and does not erase any data (grub 2 from debian installer erased MBR from other partitions several times) |
| 18:24.32 | doublehp | with grub 1, I never fear loosing any data, partition, disk, or OS |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | or being able to boot new filesystems .. |
| 18:25.07 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Like I told you before, I am certain that you are mistaken about grub-install causing any data loss or modifying the partition table in any way. |
| 18:25.22 | doublehp | abrotman: grub1 can boot ext3, and sometimes ext4 |
| 18:25.28 | abrotman | oh goodie .. sometimes |
| 18:25.41 | abrotman | help, i'm trapped in 2010! |
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| 18:27.16 | peterrooney | neon, that's some very odd a/d conversion going on there. I'm wondering if it's hardware related. |
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| 18:31.07 | neon__ | I am wondering if this could help: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Ens1370 but I need to figure out the syntax |
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| 18:32.19 | wols_ | doublehp: you need to learn what a MBR is I guess. partitions don't have MBRs. and neither grub 1 nor grub 2 ever did what you describe. and grub1 and grub2 need files on other partitions. no way around that |
| 18:32.43 | doublehp | wols_: partitions do have boot code zone |
| 18:32.53 | doublehp | wols_: that's why you can activate them |
| 18:33.02 | wols_ | "MBR" is not what you think it is then |
| 18:33.07 | jhutchins_wk | Still at it eh? |
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| 18:33.27 | jhutchins_wk | He doesn't know what the boot flag is either. |
| 18:33.39 | doublehp | wols_: will you explain that my desktop that i boot every day ... does not boot the way it does ? |
| 18:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: It does not boot the way you think it does. |
| 18:33.59 | wols_ | I will tell you that you have a lot of half knowledge that isn't worth spit |
| 18:34.05 | wols_ | but that's OT here |
| 18:35.04 | Jordan_U | doublehp: wols_: Disks have exactly one MBR, which is the first sector of the disk. Partitions have PBRs (unless you're using a filesystem which doesn't reserve the first sector, like XFS). Grub's boot sector should be installed to the MBR, not to a PBR. |
| 18:35.10 | doublehp | the fact i use the word "MBR" instead of "partition BR" does not mean i don't know the disk layout by heart |
| 18:35.51 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 18:35.53 | doublehp | Jordan_U: my desktop has 3 grubs in 3 different PBR |
| 18:36.46 | doublehp | abrotman: i will install a fresh new Debian in there, and this will be in topic if grub fails then ... |
| 18:36.55 | abrotman | using grub2? |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | oh, i guess squeeze does sitll have grub-legacy? |
| 18:37.13 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Installing a supported version of Debian is a great idea. |
| 18:37.42 | doublehp | abrotman: obviously, since my PXE is doing netinst ... which ever grub is on official mirrors |
| 18:37.50 | abrotman | hasn't used grub1 in like five years thank goodness |
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| 18:39.35 | jelly-home | extlinux ftw! |
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| 18:39.47 | doublehp | Jordan_U: i may do it, just to be able to boot; then i will have to chroot to my previous system !!! of course. if some manufacturer specific services accept to run on an kernel 3 ... what would surprise me |
| 18:39.49 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: squeeze is 2. |
| 18:40.02 | neon__ | abrotman, I changed the input device, and now the bias is gone :D |
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| 18:40.33 | jelly-home | ,v grub-legacy |
| 18:40.35 | judd | Package: grub-legacy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64; wheezy: 0.97-66; sid: 0.97-66.1 |
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| 18:41.05 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: default, it still has grub-legacy .. that's what i said |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | neon__: awesome |
| 18:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | doublehp: You're going to have to do something about the MBR one way or another if what you said is accurate. |
| 18:42.16 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Understood. |
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| 18:42.47 | doublehp | a raw copy of the old CF into the new one failed (yes, even including the raw partition table ... why not, just for a test): grub now fully loads stage 1 (for the first time with the new disk) , but fails with error 18. Gone for fresh install ... |
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| 18:45.28 | pce | i try to run ISPConfig and don't understand why there is no option to disable client can create ssl certificates for apache , its a shared ip and multiple certificates should not be possible |
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| 18:48.52 | doublehp | squeeze or wheezy ? |
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| 18:49.54 | doublehp | ? |
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| 18:52.42 | Jordan_U | doublehp: For you, I'd say squeeze (though either should get you a working installation). |
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| 18:54.41 | invariant | Does adding a file to /etc/cron.d/ result in an updated configuration or does it require a restart/reload? |
| 18:55.08 | doublehp | found a bug in the debian installer |
| 18:55.18 | doublehp | that's why I did not want to run it |
| 18:56.02 | Jordan_U | doublehp: And that bug is? |
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| 18:57.56 | doublehp | Jordan_U: the time zone manager in the expert mode ... does not properly offer to have a clock in a country different from the locale; the TZ selection is done at the wrong place |
| 18:58.56 | Jordan_U | doublehp: That can probably be fixed after installation. |
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| 19:12.11 | enyawix | is there a games repository quake3 is missing |
| 19:12.48 | doublehp | is it normal that wheezy offers me to install linux-image-2.6 ? I thought that the 2 branch was only for retardeds like me ? |
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| 19:13.01 | doublehp | shouldn't it FORCE me to upgrade to linux 3 ? |
| 19:13.38 | themill | it does |
| 19:14.19 | doublehp | no, the default choice is a 2.6 |
| 19:14.51 | themill | default choice where? |
| 19:15.08 | doublehp | in the installer menu |
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| 19:16.23 | themill | there's no linux version 2.6 in wheezy anyway |
| 19:16.43 | doublehp | it's still offering me to install it, 2nd bug ? |
| 19:17.17 | themill | what is it actually asking? exactly? Can we not play the vague assertions and no info game again, please? |
| 19:17.17 | ompaul | old disk? |
| 19:18.14 | doublehp | an ncurses menu letting me to choose between two dozen kernels; i took linux-image-646; but the default choice was a 2.6 |
| 19:18.23 | doublehp | ompaul: netinst |
| 19:18.33 | ompaul | burnt / downloaded when |
| 19:18.45 | doublehp | and its wgeting 3.2.0-4 |
| 19:19.12 | doublehp | ompaul: PXE |
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| 19:19.22 | doublehp | booted 20mn ago |
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| 19:19.47 | doublehp | with linux and initrd.gz refreshed in the PẌE tree 2h ago |
| 19:20.16 | ompaul | doublehp: how many answers to not the question I asked can you give? that was a rhetorical question |
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| 19:21.25 | pzn | my debian stopped working somethings like "less" and "man". "less /usr/share/doc/dpkg/copyright" does nothing and exits with error status 1. "apt-get install --reinstall less" didn't solve. disk free space is OK. any hints? |
| 19:21.28 | doublehp | i still have netinst CDs burned in 2006 somewhere; so the question matters: i could have started my netinst with an 8y old CD ... |
| 19:22.00 | doublehp | pzn: more can also do it |
| 19:22.25 | rryoumaa | it's 2014 already? |
| 19:22.42 | nvz | rryoumaa: yes, just not here.. |
| 19:22.57 | pzn | about my previous post some lines above: mostly interactive tools "that expect arrow-keys or other special keys" does not work anymore. "more" works ok. |
| 19:23.09 | doublehp | oh, i also probably have CDs from 2004; and i just did a backup of my Potatoe floppies :) |
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| 19:23.40 | peterrooney | ,v linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:23.41 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-44; squeeze: 2.6.32-46 |
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| 19:23.50 | doublehp | pzn: more won't take arrows; press ENTER |
| 19:24.22 | pzn | doublehp, i don't want to use "more"... just want to fix the problem that all apps that need arrows just exit without working :-) |
| 19:24.40 | themill | doublehp: you'll find they're all the same, but until you actually give real information, that's not going to help us |
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| 19:26.16 | doublehp | can i shrink ext4 ? (cold resize) |
| 19:26.30 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Yes. |
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| 19:27.00 | jelly-home | doublehp: is it possible? Yes. Do you need to be careful and have a backup? Yes. |
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| 19:27.39 | doublehp | Jordan_U: would it be slower or faster than 45mn for a full reinstall ? |
| 19:27.45 | jelly-home | shrinking is a less exercised functionality, often horribly slow |
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| 19:28.37 | err404 | hello, how I can use lua-curl with debian? (I use aptitude install lua-curl): but, when i try some lua example: curl library not found (luacurl or Lua-cURL) |
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| 19:29.06 | Jordan_U | doublehp: It depends on how big the fileystem is, how full it is, by how much you're shrinking it, and what amount of data is currently stored in blocks past the point you want the filesystem resized to. |
| 19:29.15 | jelly-home | err404: how do you use it on other distros? |
| 19:29.21 | doublehp | 16G, read write at 16M/s |
| 19:29.31 | doublehp | fresh install, 700M |
| 19:29.43 | doublehp | to as small as possible |
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| 19:30.33 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Do you care about the data currently in this filesystem? |
| 19:30.45 | ompaul | now that is going to break |
| 19:30.47 | err404 | jelly-home, I try to use lua-curl with debian only, I don't try other distro |
| 19:30.48 | ompaul | wanders off |
| 19:30.49 | doublehp | no: install did not even finish yet ^^ |
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| 19:31.33 | err404 | jelly-home, but, why not found, even i use official debian package ? |
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| 19:32.19 | jelly-home | err404: I have no idea how do external C bindings get used in lua, so I can't answer that question |
| 19:32.50 | jelly-home | make sure you're using/loading the library bindings the correct way, whatever that is |
| 19:32.54 | doublehp | ah ... does not boot |
| 19:32.56 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Why are you trying to resize this filesystem? What is your end goal? |
| 19:33.11 | err404 | jelly-home, ok thanks, I continue searching |
| 19:33.13 | doublehp | forget it: fresh install did not boot at all |
| 19:33.16 | jelly-home | err404: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/lua-curl/ ? |
| 19:33.34 | jelly-home | !readme.debian |
| 19:33.34 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 19:33.45 | err404 | jelly-home, yes, I read this doc, mayby not full understanding :p |
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| 19:33.50 | doublehp | Jordan_U: i was wondering , thinking about alternatives ... but ... now that i know it won't boot ... :D |
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| 19:34.45 | Jordan_U | doublehp: What happens when you try to boot? Were there any errors during installation? |
| 19:35.09 | doublehp | jhutchins_wk: wols_ Jordan_U : fresh install won't boot. Grub loading, but "error: out of disk". entering rescue mode, i got a blinking "grub rescue> _" |
| 19:35.36 | doublehp | i ll re-install the long way: using the "i am newb, do it all for me" mode |
| 19:35.44 | Jordan_U | doublehp: That error message means that you have a buggy BIOS which can't properly handle large disks. |
| 19:36.13 | doublehp | Jordan_U: thus the idea to shring 16G to 2G |
| 19:36.14 | Jordan_U | doublehp: You can work around your BIOS's limit by creating a small /boot/ partition near the beginning of the drive. |
| 19:36.43 | doublehp | Jordan_U: this means ... I can fix my grub 1 the same way :) |
| 19:37.46 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Possibly, though it sounds like you have more problems that that currently with grub legacy. |
| 19:38.21 | doublehp | Jordan_U: no; i tried many times to install grub on a large part, only once on a small one |
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| 19:38.36 | doublehp | and even if the words were different, the message was not so far |
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| 19:41.06 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Also note that it's only the files within /boot/ that need to be within the limit, so you can have as large of a root partition as you want as long as you have a separate small (512 MiB is probably good, as long as you remember not to let old kernels pile up and fill it) near the beginning of the drive. |
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| 19:42.23 | doublehp | Jordan_U: i will try again, with making a 16M /boot ... from my old disk; back to grub 1 for the coming 2h :) Still, this fresh installed taught me sth ... about the stupid BIOS. |
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| 19:42.47 | doublehp | btw, it's a pentium 3 733, and i wonder how this kind of arch could still have this limit |
| 19:43.03 | doublehp | i thought that all machines since pentium 2 had that limit away |
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| 19:43.41 | jelly-home | doublehp: 16M /boot is awfully low |
| 19:43.46 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Many newer BIOSs still have surprisingly idiotic bugs, and some have smaller limits when dealing with USB devices as they're not tested. |
| 19:43.56 | doublehp | it's enough for a pair of 6M kernels |
| 19:44.10 | invariant | How do you write && in tcl? |
| 19:44.14 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2100042 Oct 22 20:52 /boot/System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 19:44.15 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12544666 Nov 20 15:29 /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | doublehp: maybe in 2000 it was |
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| 19:45.12 | Jordan_U | doublehp: I don't understand why, now that you almost have a system that is both working and supported, you want to go back to grub legacy (or even worse, Debian Sarge). |
| 19:45.19 | doublehp | jelly-home: you told to ship all universal drivers; expert mode let you have only the model specific ones |
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| 19:45.56 | ompaul | and now we look forward 12642551 Dec 14 23:40 /boot/initrd.img-3.7-0 |
| 19:46.08 | jelly-home | doublehp: yeah, I like my OS to boot even if I have to put the disk into a different machine |
| 19:46.09 | doublehp | Jordan_U: to not spend 2 or 3 weeks in migrating my system ... including libs issues, cause some services are manually installed from manufacturer sources: even rebuild them is a hell |
| 19:46.58 | doublehp | Jordan_U: you don't understand how difficult this server is; new kernel means new libc; i am not even sure those softwares and daemins will accept to run on a new libc !!! |
| 19:47.22 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Will you at least make sure that these "services" come nowhere near anything vaguely like the internet? |
| 19:47.50 | doublehp | so, if it's just a bios 8GB issue, i ll try to save weeks work time |
| 19:48.14 | doublehp | Jordan_U: since the hardware is abandonned, the software is hardly maintained |
| 19:48.48 | doublehp | will tell me to buy new hardware ? |
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| 19:52.33 | Jordan_U | doublehp: All I am telling you is 1: You're better off with no services at all than services running on a Sarge install if it's connected to the internet 2: Don't expect support for software which is explicitly unsupported. |
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| 19:53.19 | Jordan_U | How you manage those constraints is up to you, but I recommend that you not ignore them. |
| 19:53.27 | abrotman | oh jeez .. still going ? |
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| 19:54.22 | doublehp | abrotman: yup, learnt one thing: after doing a fresh install, it appears that my bios does not like disks larger than 8G; so, back to my grub 1 ... on a smaller partition :) |
| 19:54.56 | jelly-home | Jordan_U: please avoid telling users what legacy system they're better of without; it's not a rational or constructive approach and it won't help them migrate at all |
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| 19:57.18 | doublehp | Jordan_U: in production, it's not connected |
| 19:57.21 | jelly-home | everyone and their dog know that lenny and older are unsupported; some legacy systems however, still keep running and doing their work |
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| 20:01.06 | philluminati | I have a question about grub. For Debian, rather than edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg, debian ship their own update-grub command which compiles the file from multiple sources, giving aptitude a much more fine grain control over managing the package. The result is I must make any user modifications in /etc/grub.d/ instead? |
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| 20:02.18 | zykotick9 | philluminati: that's a grub2 thing, not really debian specific. check /etc/default/grub |
| 20:02.20 | Nik05 | philluminati /etc/default/grub |
| 20:02.26 | jelly-home | philluminati: or /etc/default/grub, yes, that's the preferred way. update-grub is a simple wrapper for upstream grub-mkconfig anyway |
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| 20:03.23 | doublehp | Jordan_U: I have done dd if=old_disk of=new_disk, to be sure to copy everything , including MBR and partition table, to have a partition as small as before, and i still have a GRUB error; this usually works fine in other cases; which kind of restriction could cause this kind of bug ? (remind: both disks are compact flashes on IDE adapters) |
| 20:04.05 | doublehp | Jordan_U: fact it can load stage 1 means that the CF answers properly to the initial BIOS request when querring the MBR ... (what was unsupported by some old CF ) |
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| 20:04.21 | philluminati | Sorry for being a bit lame. I want to write my code into a script I package up so I feel it's worth trying not to hack it in my usual fashion. |
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| 20:05.41 | Jordan_U | doublehp: I don't support grub legacy. grub2 should work with the small /boot/ partition near the beginning of the drive. |
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| 20:05.52 | doublehp | how small ? |
| 20:05.58 | doublehp | for full / |
| 20:06.11 | wols_ | doublehp: /boot. not / |
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| 20:08.34 | abrotman | doublehp: btw, did you look for a bios update? |
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| 20:09.54 | jelly-home | heh, a bios update for a P3 board |
| 20:10.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: linuxbios might not help :) |
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| 20:12.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: doesn't mean it doesn't exist .. it might even help |
| 20:14.53 | jelly-home | rather than searching for the elusive bios update, I'd check whether the emulated BIOS CHS settings match the written partition table |
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| 20:15.14 | mouseproblem | hi, my mouse does not work :( |
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| 20:23.20 | tech_ | mouseproblem: so, what about your mouse doesn't work? |
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| 20:23.32 | mouseproblem | it does not move |
| 20:23.43 | mouseproblem | it is logged in dmesg |
| 20:23.56 | mouseproblem | the light goes on at the bottom, but it does not move |
| 20:24.14 | tech_ | can you post demsg to pastebin? |
| 20:24.27 | tech_ | *dmesg |
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| 20:25.01 | tech_ | or, you could post your xorg.conf if you're using one |
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| 20:25.51 | tech_ | mouseproblem: before doing that, though... |
| 20:26.13 | tech_ | is it listed in lspci? (lsusb if you're using a usb mouse)? |
| 20:26.40 | mouseproblem | http://pastebin.com/7MhKxuAG |
| 20:26.54 | mouseproblem | @tech_ yes it is |
| 20:26.59 | tech_ | okay, looking at it now... |
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| 20:28.46 | tech_ | okay, if your dmesg looks like that, then it should be in lsusb |
| 20:29.03 | tech_ | so we know it sees the device |
| 20:29.25 | tech_ | mouseproblem: do you use a xorg.conf? |
| 20:29.36 | mouseproblem | @tech_ i dont know, im a noob |
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| 20:29.43 | mouseproblem | @tech_ is there any way to check? |
| 20:29.49 | tech_ | okay, you probably don't |
| 20:29.59 | tech_ | thinking... |
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| 20:31.30 | tech_ | I'm going oto assume you've compiled support for this in your kernel |
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| 20:33.27 | tech_ | mouseproblem: try reinstalling hotplug? |
| 20:33.53 | mouseproblem | oops wait i have 204 packages out of date |
| 20:33.55 | mouseproblem | give me a sec |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | tech_: hotplug doesn't really exist anymore? |
| 20:34.10 | abrotman | judd: versions hotplug |
| 20:34.12 | judd | No package named 'hotplug' was found in i386. |
| 20:34.12 | abrotman | does it ? |
| 20:34.30 | tech_ | I'm not sure, now that you mention it |
| 20:35.03 | jelly-home | mouseproblem: what does dpkg --print-architecture say on your system? |
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| 20:35.19 | tech_ | actually, there is no more hotplug |
| 20:35.25 | mouseproblem | armel |
| 20:37.29 | abrotman | mouseproblem: if your packages are out of date, update those, see if you need a reboot .. |
| 20:38.03 | tech_ | I wonder if he came out of a hibernate state when he noticed this. I remember a bug report on this... |
| 20:38.17 | mouseproblem | no |
| 20:38.21 | mouseproblem | i rebooted several times |
| 20:38.40 | mouseproblem | im trying to upgrade, i really hope it fixes it :) |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | mouseproblem: i meant after the package upgrades |
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| 20:46.39 | jelly-home | mouseproblem: I'd say go ask in #debian-arm on irc.debian.org, see if there's anyone that knows about your particular hardware |
| 20:47.15 | jelly-home | still thinks anything but i386 or amd64 is _special_ |
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| 20:48.22 | doublehp | Jordan_U: I have cloned the old card in the new, as i said, using dd ... i said it did not boot in my server; it also refused to boot when installed in an other P3; after exporting the new card (/dev/sdf) via nbd, a friend imported my nbd on his laptop, when he ran virtualbox ... and he could get the grub menu. If I put back this card in the server, it gives a grub error ... |
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| 20:49.16 | doublehp | he sent me a screenshot of the grub menu ... |
| 20:49.23 | abrotman | it's a lie |
| 20:49.37 | doublehp | Jordan_U: so, over 2 emulation layers ... it works => BIOS issue |
| 20:49.37 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Please don't direct grub legacy questions to me. |
| 20:50.12 | doublehp | grub2 or any fresh install could NEVER boot fine. |
| 20:50.36 | Jordan_U | doublehp: Have you tried grub2 with a small /boot/ partition at the beginning of the drive yet? |
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| 20:51.13 | doublehp | Jordan_U: next try; my friend's try was very quick: just 20mn; a new install in small partition will take an other 50mn ... Doing it now. |
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| 20:52.42 | doublehp | abrotman: a screenshot does not lie :/ i m desperate about this machine |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | it's a lie i tell you! |
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| 21:00.26 | mouseproblem | yay, upgrading the packages worked for me |
| 21:00.28 | RedXIII | Can anyone help me out? My dns on squeeze isn't working. Whenever I type ping "google.com", it fails to resolve the host. I set my /etc/resolv.conf to google and opendns, but it won't solve. |
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| 21:01.01 | RedXIII | I'm able to ping the nameservers though. |
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| 21:01.23 | RedXIII | trying dig @8.8.8.8 google.com fails with "no host" |
| 21:01.26 | abrotman | mouseproblem: good deal |
| 21:01.33 | mouseproblem | upgrading the packages worked for me, thank you very much for your support :D |
| 21:01.40 | mouseproblem | take care everyone |
| 21:01.42 | jelly-home | RedXIII: more correctly, it fails with a timeout |
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| 21:02.00 | jelly-home | <RedXIII> jelly-home:;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 21:02.32 | jelly-home | which points to networking/firewall issues |
| 21:03.12 | RedXIII | =/ I'm running as a v-sphere, and nothing has changed. The other machines on the v-sphere function properly. |
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| 21:04.16 | jelly-home | what about the other machines on the same host node and the same vlan/network segment? |
| 21:04.39 | RedXIII | jelly-home: I don't know about those. |
| 21:04.55 | RedXIII | I only have 1 shard of 4 on the v-sphere |
| 21:05.07 | jelly-home | with vSphere you can't even know which node you VM is on at any time |
| 21:05.18 | jelly-home | s/can't/might not/ |
| 21:05.58 | jelly-home | RedXIII: do you have tcpdump installed? |
| 21:06.09 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Nope =( |
| 21:06.25 | jelly-home | RedXIII: which debian mirror do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:06.56 | RedXIII | only thing I have is ftp.us.debian.org |
| 21:07.00 | RedXIII | I can replace that with the IP |
| 21:07.21 | jelly-home | RedXIII: no, add "128.30.2.36 ftp.us.debian.org" ot /etc/hosts instead, temporarily |
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| 21:08.02 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Ok, tcpdump is isntalled |
| 21:09.08 | jelly-home | RedXIII: righto, now try to run something like "tcpdump -ni eth0 udp and port 53" in one screen, and repeat the "dig @8.8.8.8 google.com." in another; pastebin the output of tcpdump |
| 21:10.40 | doublehp | Jordan_U: LBA was disabled in the BIOS ... clone now works fine. |
| 21:11.32 | RedXIII | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/6NN1FXzS |
| 21:11.33 | doublehp | Jordan_U: and of course, automatic detection keep it off; I configured the drive manually, and set LBA on. The detail which ticked me was that the drive was correctly detected as 16G ... |
| 21:11.58 | jelly-home | RedXIII: so you got a response |
| 21:12.11 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Debian doesn't think so. |
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| 21:12.26 | jelly-home | RedXIII: pastebin the output of iptables-save |
| 21:12.28 | RedXIII | http://pastebin.com/ArTnurYW |
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| 21:12.53 | RedXIII | jelly-home: everything says "ACCEPT" |
| 21:12.59 | RedXIII | http://pastebin.com/wsdFBzbn |
| 21:13.00 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:13.01 | doublehp | abrotman: on this machine, auto detection of disks keep LBA off; manual conf with LBA=on ... just worked. |
| 21:13.47 | jelly-home | RedXIII: yeah, that's fairly amusing |
| 21:14.21 | RedXIII | jelly-home: My debian has alzheimers =/ |
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| 21:16.50 | jelly-home | RedXIII: install strace, temporarily comment out the original hosts: line in /etc/nsswitch.conf and replace it with just "hosts: files dns" |
| 21:17.35 | jelly-home | RedXIII: then try the "strace -f -TT -tt -e\!brk,mmap2,mprotect,munmap,gettimeofday getent hosts google.com" |
| 21:17.48 | RedXIII | jelly-home: the hosts in nsswitch is just "files dns" |
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| 21:18.10 | jelly-home | all for the better, no need to mess with it then |
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| 21:18.28 | RedXIII | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/WVHWEBZq |
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| 21:19.14 | jelly-home | RedXIII: and it hangs there? |
| 21:19.26 | RedXIII | jelly-home: well there's some more output |
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| 21:19.50 | RedXIII | but it hangs there for a good 30 seconds |
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| 21:20.16 | jelly-home | you've added opendns to resolv.conf in the meantime? |
| 21:20.42 | RedXIII | http://pastebin.com/sfGyn7iY |
| 21:20.53 | jelly-home | "yes" |
| 21:21.05 | RedXIII | I assume its correct the way I typed it in |
| 21:21.15 | RedXIII | http://pastebin.com/jSvDcvzL that's the full output of strace really |
| 21:21.17 | jelly-home | no idea, never used it |
| 21:21.36 | jelly-home | huh |
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| 21:21.59 | jelly-home | for some reason the return udp packets never flow back to userspace |
| 21:22.09 | jelly-home | RedXIII: are you using an unusual kernel? |
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| 21:22.20 | jelly-home | RedXIII: uname -a? |
| 21:22.40 | RedXIII | http://pastebin.com/h1MY1CKf |
| 21:22.46 | RedXIII | Linux server 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:25.02 | jelly-home | RedXIII: I don't have any explanation for packets arriving at the interface but not showing up up the stack |
| 21:25.16 | RedXIII | jelly-home: "It hates me" |
| 21:25.17 | jelly-home | RedXIII: ifconfig -a ? |
| 21:25.33 | jelly-home | and route -n, not that it matters |
| 21:26.05 | jelly-home | usually it's a symptom of misconfigured local iptables, but yours are clean |
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| 21:26.29 | RedXIII | https://pastee.org/w3ssq |
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| 21:27.44 | doublehp | jelly-home: tcpdump |
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| 21:27.57 | jelly-home | doublehp: ? |
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| 21:28.22 | RedXIII | jelly-home: I don't see anything wrong there either =/ |
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| 21:28.34 | jelly-home | yeah, stumped |
| 21:28.37 | doublehp | sorry, if you are already certain they arrive on interface, then, tcpdump won't help. my mistake |
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| 21:29.35 | jelly-home | tcpdump is how we confirm they arrived |
| 21:29.47 | jelly-home | confirmed* |
| 21:29.48 | ompaul | is not following this one - is the box virtual by any chance? |
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| 21:30.02 | jelly-home | it is |
| 21:30.23 | ompaul | does host have rules.funny |
| 21:30.30 | ompaul | and how was it invoked |
| 21:30.45 | ompaul | timestamp is good |
| 21:30.52 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:31.20 | RedXIII | ompaul: Its on a V-Sphere |
| 21:31.30 | RedXIII | But other nodes on V-Sphere are fine. |
| 21:31.34 | jelly-home | vSphere |
| 21:31.44 | RedXIII | IPTables are completely clear |
| 21:32.06 | jelly-home | RedXIII: reboot does not help? :-) |
| 21:32.14 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Nope :P |
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| 21:32.19 | ompaul | file a bug with vmware? |
| 21:32.42 | jelly-home | why would it be a vmware issue |
| 21:32.42 | RedXIII | I can't imagine its a v-sphere bug if all other nodes work fine |
| 21:32.51 | ompaul | I can |
| 21:33.16 | ompaul | why would I dismiss that - I can't see inside it and you maintain that all other things are good ... |
| 21:34.28 | jelly-home | RedXIII: did you install or upgrade any packages, emphasis on libc6/resolver related ones? |
| 21:34.39 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Oh. |
| 21:34.41 | RedXIII | Well |
| 21:34.43 | RedXIII | Actually |
| 21:34.59 | RedXIII | About 3-4 days ago I was installing some python packages and I needed the "testing" version (python2.7) |
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| 21:35.07 | RedXIII | and it DID update a lot of libc* stuff |
| 21:35.30 | ompaul | have you restarted, to let the goodness get around? |
| 21:35.30 | jelly-home | don't mix stable with any other releases, it can lead to weird stuff |
| 21:35.50 | bravvve | hi is it possible to connect smart TV with big resulition with nvidia graphic card |
| 21:35.51 | RedXIII | #deb http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 21:36.03 | RedXIII | Is there a way to revert the packages I installed? |
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| 21:36.21 | jelly-home | not really, but if you insist |
| 21:36.24 | ompaul | RedXIII: I think what was said was paste.debian.net and all sources.list and sources.list.d if you use that |
| 21:36.31 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell RedXIII about partial downgrade |
| 21:36.42 | ompaul | ok ok ok |
| 21:36.45 | ompaul | wanders of |
| 21:36.46 | ompaul | f |
| 21:36.53 | ompaul | hides on jelly-home |
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| 21:38.09 | jelly-home | RedXIII: dunno, either upgrade fully to wheezy, or try downgrading (or reinstalling) squeeze, then we'll see |
| 21:38.18 | RedXIII | status unpacked libc6 2.13-37 |
| 21:38.26 | RedXIII | status installed libc-dev-bin 2.13-37 |
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| 21:38.41 | jelly-home | RedXIII: how does dpkg --configure libc6 fail? |
| 21:39.01 | RedXIII | package libc6 is already installed and configured |
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| 21:40.10 | jelly-home | it's still weird, but at least there's some possible explanation |
| 21:41.01 | RedXIII | https://pastee.org/576zp |
| 21:41.10 | RedXIII | But that was 2 days ago that I needed the "testing" |
| 21:41.25 | RedXIII | Is it possible a full upgrade to "testing" branch will fix it? |
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| 21:42.15 | RedXIII | https://pastee.org/yjm6z |
| 21:42.36 | jelly-home | it's possible, but who knows |
| 21:42.57 | RedXIII | Would everything catch fire if I just did upgrade with the testing branch enabled? |
| 21:43.16 | jelly-home | RedXIII: read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:43.32 | jelly-home | I have no idea how well vSphere works with wheezy clients |
| 21:43.58 | jelly-home | ours are RHEL6 or squeeze at best |
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| 21:46.14 | ompaul | ,versions libc6 |
| 21:46.16 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-37; wheezy: 2.13-37; experimental: 2.16-0experimental1 |
| 21:46.17 | jelly-home | still, if that's really the reason that means someone doing squeeze->wheezy might be left without a resolver mid-upgrade |
| 21:48.07 | ompaul | RedXIII: backup your spheroids |
| 21:48.50 | jelly-home | if he was that smart he would have taken a snapshot before adding wheezy packages |
| 21:49.17 | RedXIII | I didn't think installing python2.7 would be such a big deal |
| 21:49.20 | ompaul | revert revert |
| 21:49.50 | jelly-home | RedXIII: dotdeb packages can also bite you in the ass sometimes, btw. Be extra careful when removing those |
| 21:50.23 | jelly-home | !bobbitt |
| 21:50.23 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Squeeze, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 21:50.50 | jelly-home | well that's an outdated reference if I ever saw one |
| 21:51.37 | ompaul | RedXIII: I'm not saying this is the best idea ever, however. removing crazy repos is a good idea, with nothing running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade work out the issues one at a time as they arrive then reboot and hope vsphere is gentle with you when you restart |
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| 21:52.49 | jelly-home | ompaul: have you ever worked with vSphere? |
| 21:53.09 | ompaul | jelly-home: no, you know what I think of those things with my borked paranoia |
| 21:53.15 | ompaul | but I don't hold out much hope |
| 21:53.37 | jelly-home | why comment about it then |
| 21:54.36 | ompaul | the advice to turn off as much as possible in an upgrade (esp one like this) is not harmful |
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| 21:55.40 | jelly-home | no |
| 21:56.00 | ompaul | no it is harmful or no it is not |
| 21:56.03 | ompaul | or just no |
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| 21:59.42 | RedXIII | jelly-home: I removed and downgraded all testing packages |
| 21:59.46 | RedXIII | =/ still same error |
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| 22:00.52 | RedXIII | python-cheetah/unknown uptodate 2.4.4-3 I do have a bunch of that |
| 22:00.55 | RedXIII | I don't know what /unknown means though |
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| 22:01.14 | jelly-home | RedXIII: so you're back to libc6 2.11.3-4 ? |
| 22:01.32 | RedXIII | libc-bin/squeeze uptodate 2.11.3-4 |
| 22:01.39 | RedXIII | on everything |
| 22:01.52 | enkidu | hello. I have updated my debian recently and lighttpd + fastcgi(php5-cgi)is crashing |
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| 22:02.43 | jelly-home | ompaul: it's not harmful |
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| 22:03.19 | jelly-home | ,v python-cheetah |
| 22:03.21 | judd | Package: python-cheetah on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.1-2; squeeze: 2.4.2.1-1; sid: 2.4.4-3; wheezy: 2.4.4-3 |
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| 22:06.04 | jelly-home | RedXIII: downgrading is not perfect -- no packages get tested that it actually works |
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| 22:08.01 | jelly-home | RedXIII: I guess you could try reboot again, but if you're really unlucky thet machine might not even get back up |
| 22:08.20 | RedXIII | jelly-home: I've never been that lucky :D |
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| 22:09.16 | jelly-home | dunno I've seen some pretty saucy red13 pron |
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| 22:13.00 | intelikey | hi |
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| 22:13.41 | intelikey | can i upgrade from lenny to current stable ? |
| 22:14.00 | intelikey | or will that break things |
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| 22:15.55 | ompaul | intelikey: from the topic /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:15.56 | intelikey | !upgrade |
| 22:15.56 | dpkg | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 22:16.56 | intelikey | so wheeze is not stable ? |
| 22:17.16 | Nik05 | no |
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| 22:17.29 | Nik05 | still in testing |
| 22:17.38 | intelikey | oh, so it's just one step. ok i can do that. |
| 22:17.46 | ompaul | intelikey: and you only go one jump at a time - or it will break in new and interesting and not supported ways :) |
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| 22:18.35 | intelikey | ompaul yeah that was what i was asking sort of... |
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| 22:19.11 | intelikey | breaks everything in "new and intersting" ways |
| 22:19.44 | nvz | there is no special achievement unlocked for that |
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| 22:20.08 | intelikey | nvz :) |
| 22:20.12 | nvz | except that people start randomly ignoring what you say on irc.. :-P |
| 22:20.27 | intelikey | true dat. |
| 22:20.42 | intelikey | ok thankz guys. |
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| 22:23.48 | enkidu | probably lighttpd crash is related to fcgi |
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| 22:29.01 | nvz | could be pockets of gas from a weather ballon, refracting the light from venus.. |
| 22:30.10 | RedXIII | jelly-home: Yeah. None of that fixed it =( |
| 22:30.17 | RedXIII | Oddly enough, my nginx is reporting weird errors |
| 22:30.26 | RedXIII | "while connecting to upstream, client: ::ffff:187.39.122.46" |
| 22:30.32 | socomm | lightttpd? |
| 22:30.42 | RedXIII | Usually it would put the ip, but now its trynig it as ipv6 o_O |
| 22:30.58 | esing | af |
| 22:31.26 | atomfire | hey all. Fresh wheezy install, accidently ended up with Gnome3, how do I completely erase it ? Standard "/msg dpkg remove gnome" ? |
| 22:31.35 | Nik05 | no |
| 22:31.39 | Nik05 | use aptitude |
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| 22:36.11 | Nik05 | and atomfire task-desktop is the task that installs it |
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| 22:36.24 | atomfire | Nik05: aptitude remove task-desktop? |
| 22:36.31 | atomfire | will get rid of gnome 3? |
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| 22:36.48 | atomfire | Nik05: I was asking about aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 |
| 22:36.53 | Nik05 | atomfire probably not |
| 22:37.00 | atomfire | when you type /msg dpkg remove gnome in here |
| 22:37.06 | Nik05 | task-gnome-desktop |
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| 22:38.08 | Nik05 | atomfire its about gnome 2 not sure how it works with gnome 3 |
| 22:38.23 | Nik05 | but you can try to remove a gnome lib that everything depends on |
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| 22:40.37 | BoozeWooz | hello,I am trying to build Linux PHC using "make prepare" and "make". However when I enter these commands nothing happens.. Only a new empty line appears. |
| 22:40.56 | ompaul | atomfire: yes that will help a lot |
| 22:41.16 | ompaul | atomfire: /msg dpkg ... good clues available |
| 22:41.34 | Nik05 | aptitude search ~n |
| 22:41.36 | Nik05 | ho |
| 22:42.33 | Nik05 | ompaul not sure if you should do that |
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| 22:42.58 | Nik05 | its possible that there is a package that depends on ~nlibgnome or something, and you dont want it to be removed |
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| 22:45.11 | ompaul | Nik05: no criteria was given, also the remove will ask before executing so it is possible to evaluate what you are doing |
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| 22:46.51 | atomfire | Nik05: thanks |
| 22:47.16 | intelikey | boozewooz just a shot but try passing a "--verbose" and see if it helps </shrugg? |
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| 22:49.04 | Nik05 | but check task-desktop and task-gnome-desktop thats the one thats installed when yuo install wheezy atomfire |
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| 22:53.09 | TheRedMood | Hey. |
| 22:53.20 | TheRedMood | installing debian once agian ,and I am wondering if it is just todo |
| 22:53.32 | TheRedMood | dd if=iso.iso of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 22:53.43 | TheRedMood | to get the iso burned over |
| 22:53.50 | TheRedMood | Or if there are some more parameters to the dd command |
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| 22:55.13 | Jordan_U | TheRedMood: That will certainly not work. With images that support being dd'd to a drive to make a bootable drive you would need to dd to the drive, not to a partiton. And I don't know if Debian's images even support being dd'd to a drive. |
| 22:55.27 | enkidu | TheRedMood: use unetbootin |
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| 22:55.48 | TheRedMood | Jordan_U: to the drive itself? |
| 22:55.52 | TheRedMood | Jordan_U: Thanks a lot :) |
| 22:56.04 | TheRedMood | enkidu: No. I have not gotten any good results out of unetbootin. |
| 22:56.22 | vedranm | TheRedMood: unetbootin should work |
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| 22:57.41 | zykotick9 | Jordan_U: debian isos are hybrid so, dd or cat can work |
| 22:58.01 | TheRedMood | zykotick9: Thanks to you to! |
| 22:58.02 | TheRedMood | :D |
| 22:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | TheRedMood: You will need someting like growisofs to burn the disc. |
| 22:58.58 | TheRedMood | .. |
| 22:59.03 | TheRedMood | let me try dd first..... ) |
| 22:59.08 | TheRedMood | ? |
| 22:59.13 | TheRedMood | It worked last time i did it. |
| 22:59.16 | jhutchins_wk | TheRedMood: Are you going to a CD/DVD or to a USB drive? |
| 22:59.27 | TheRedMood | jhutchins_wk: A usb |
| 22:59.41 | jhutchins_wk | TheRedMood: Ah, nevermind then, the term "burn" confused me. |
| 22:59.57 | TheRedMood | jhutchins_wk: Sorry! I am not good with english. |
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| 23:00.38 | jhutchins_wk | TheRedMood: Not your problem, my bad assumption. |
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| 23:39.55 | tsccof | how can one install packages from the rescue mode? |
| 23:39.59 | tsccof | no, apt-get isn't there |
| 23:41.15 | ikonia | depands what you mean by rescue mode |
| 23:41.32 | tsccof | I got the DVD for debian 6.0.6 |
| 23:41.54 | tsccof | I need to repair my main XFS partition |
| 23:42.05 | ikonia | but what is rescue mode? single user mode ? boot from the DVD and chroot ? what is it |
| 23:42.13 | ikonia | tsccof: is the XFS your root file system partition ? |
| 23:42.13 | tsccof | I mean the "rescue mode" from the DVD's menu |
| 23:42.20 | tsccof | ikonia: it is |
| 23:42.25 | ikonia | tsccof: yes, but what is that rescue mode ? |
| 23:42.41 | tsccof | ikonia: it's a live environment, running dash I reckon |
| 23:43.02 | ikonia | I know what it is, but in terms of it's technical configuration what is it |
| 23:43.12 | ikonia | why don't you just grab a livecd with xfs tools on |
| 23:43.19 | ikonia | if you can't install to the DVD running in memory |
| 23:43.44 | tsccof | shouldn't one be able to pull packages from the DVD and install them into the live system? |
| 23:43.52 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: You need to boot to a live environment - I think DVD rescue counts - the chroot to the installation and run aptitude from there. You will probably need /dev and /sys bind-mounted. |
| 23:44.01 | jhutchins_wk | !tell tsccof about fix grub |
| 23:44.17 | tsccof | can't run xfs_repair on mounted partitions |
| 23:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: Msg from dpkg is about fixing grub but has the basic instructions. |
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| 23:45.00 | tsccof | I can't fix the thing from chroot, it must be unmounted |
| 23:45.02 | ikonia | tsccof: find the xfs tools dpkg on the dvd then and dpkg install it |
| 23:45.10 | ikonia | or grab a livecd with xfs tools installed |
| 23:45.35 | tsccof | dpkg is also not available in the rescue mode |
| 23:45.36 | dpkg | tsccof: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:45.51 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: Ok, so you need the xfs tools in the live environment and you don't have them, yes, install them without chroot. They won't be there next boot but who cares. |
| 23:46.01 | ikonia | tsccof: ok, so that's limiting |
| 23:46.10 | jhutchins_wk | tsccof: You'll need a live CD then. |
| 23:46.13 | ikonia | I'm surprised apt and dpkg are not in the livecd's rescue mode |
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| 23:46.26 | tsccof | me too! dpkg should be there |
| 23:46.47 | jhutchins_wk | So build one that way. Thaat's what Linux is all about. |
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| 23:47.31 | ikonia | there are plenty already there |
| 23:47.33 | ikonia | just grab one |
| 23:47.36 | ikonia | no-need to build one |
| 23:48.06 | tsccof | I think apt is installed in the "expert installation" mode... and I can drop to a shell there, so I will have a look at that |
| 23:48.27 | tsccof | cheers, brb |
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| 23:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | wonders why xfs |
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| 23:57.39 | tsccof | yeah, no apt-get or dpkg in expert install either |
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