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| 00:02.44 | somiaj | tsccof: in most cases you chroot into your install and use apt-get/dpkg from there so you also have your package database handy. |
| 00:03.17 | tsccof | yeah... but in this case I can't have my / mounted.. so I can't chroot into it |
| 00:03.35 | somiaj | well if you can't mount /, what would apt-get/dpkg do for you? |
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| 00:04.01 | tsccof | well, if I could pull xfsprogs from the DVD, into the live environment from the DVD's rescue mode, I could run xfs_repair on my / |
| 00:04.44 | somiaj | if you want a full live enviroment to do stuff like that use a livecd. the ones on live.debian.net all have apt-get/dpkg in them so you can install additional packages |
| 00:05.14 | tsccof | thanks.. but I think we should also add that to the DVDs |
| 00:05.25 | tsccof | it can be really helpful sometimes, give the rescue mode more power |
| 00:05.41 | tsccof | that sort of thing has been possible in slackware for quite many years now, it's handy |
| 00:05.55 | somiaj | the debian-installer is not a full live enviroment. And I wouldn't expect it to be one either. So why not getyourself the tool you need. |
| 00:06.22 | tsccof | I will, but that is an area that could get this improvement, wouldn't you agree? |
| 00:06.25 | somiaj | there are some minimial rescue tools, most designed around the ext3 file system and chrooting into the install. |
| 00:06.34 | intelikey | if rescue mode has/had "mc" you can install .deb from within mc too. it's not the "prefered" way but it can be used. |
| 00:07.10 | somiaj | tsccof: It is most likey you choice of not using the default file system. To keep the installer somewhat small not every single possible tools can be setup in the limited shell. That is what a full live enviroment is for. |
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| 00:08.58 | tsccof | somiaj: bad decision, but hey |
| 00:09.02 | somiaj | you could goto the debian-installer bts page and submit a wishlist bug report and see if that helps. But if you want to fix the sitituation go download the standard live image that contains most those tools |
| 00:09.35 | tsccof | somiaj: I will actually do that, both of them |
| 00:09.49 | tsccof | somiaj: thanks for your help |
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| 00:10.58 | somiaj | tsccof: why? I am sure such tools are rarely needed by most users so no need to bloat the installer for a rare cases in which there are better tools out there in the first place. |
| 00:11.51 | acu | hey guys - I want to install a printer in a server and print remotely through the web, what do I need to install ? I have only cli on that server |
| 00:12.04 | tsccof | somiaj: come on, having another initrd for the rescue mode, with apt pointing to the DVD, which is even now already mounted to /cdrom, wouldn't be much of a hassle |
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| 00:12.40 | tsccof | somiaj: and would extend the DVD's capabilities, one would simply be able to rely on it for these nitty-gritty tasks that a sysadmin might run into |
| 00:12.42 | themill | tsccof: debian live already provides that |
| 00:13.09 | somiaj | yea if you want a live image, get one. The isntaller is not designed to be one giving more space to store packages. |
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| 00:13.31 | tsccof | well, it's bad design, sorry |
| 00:13.46 | themill | tsccof: that the installer is an installer and the live image is a live image? if you say so. |
| 00:13.55 | intelikey | thought that dvd == live ; |
| 00:14.23 | tsccof | that you are refusing an idea so simple that would add so much more capability, that a person could get just the DVD and have a more robust tool |
| 00:14.46 | blackness | why waste the bandwidth when you can chroot and be done with it? |
| 00:14.56 | tsccof | in this case, I must have my / unmounted |
| 00:15.15 | tsccof | it's a XFS partition, xfs_repair can't repair mounted stuff |
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| 00:16.27 | tsccof | well, let's not start an even bigger war.. I see your point, I simply don't think it's a good one, you probably think the same of mine, let's be cool, thanks for your help |
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| 00:17.15 | somiaj | I think you want a full live image, so I don't see why you don't just go get one. It is mearly a decision on to weither to make the installer a full live system or to keep it minimial |
| 00:17.54 | tsccof | somiaj: I could have a good point against that, but I won't keep our discussion going, thanks for everything |
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| 01:15.14 | doublehp | can i expand a mounted ext3 ? how ? |
| 01:16.27 | somiaj | doublehp: no you do not want to resize a filesystem why it is mounted? Why does the file system have to be mounted? |
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| 01:18.38 | doublehp | somiaj: you are right, i can make it cold; question remains |
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| 01:19.12 | somiaj | if it is your root filesystem you will probabaly want to use a livecd with tools to resize filesystem and partitions (such as parted) |
| 01:19.26 | somiaj | and as always back up data before doing such things as there are chances it doesn't work |
| 01:19.34 | petemc | doublehp: do you use lvm? |
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| 01:20.07 | bubull3 | doublehp: you could but it's better not to, use a livecd |
| 01:20.32 | doublehp | no |
| 01:20.47 | doublehp | why a live CD ? |
| 01:21.16 | somiaj | if it isn't a mandorty filesystem/partition you are resizing, you don't need a livecd, just unmount it first |
| 01:21.29 | doublehp | i said i can umount |
| 01:21.37 | doublehp | now can we speak about expanding ? |
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| 01:25.28 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.14 | doublehp | 3 people gave me peaces of advice, without ever answering my question, which still has many answers : gparted, resize2fs ... and many other, which are pretty much old, and i was expecting live people to recommend me some more modern tool ... |
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| 01:27.54 | petemc | doublehp: resize2fs is how you expand ext3, online resizing requires lvm or sw raid 1 |
| 01:28.16 | doublehp | why ? |
| 01:29.15 | petemc | because they have tools to allow you to do it |
| 01:29.30 | petemc | im not sure what kind of answer you expected there |
| 01:29.39 | doublehp | and those tools won't work if the disk is just a normal disk ? |
| 01:29.46 | petemc | define normal |
| 01:30.06 | petemc | lvm tools wont work if you're not using lvm, if thats what you mean |
| 01:30.07 | doublehp | a disk just bought in a shop, without lvm or raid |
| 01:30.41 | doublehp | petemc: LVM is a hardware emulation layer; why the hell are you focusing on hardware layer when I only speak about ext3 ??? |
| 01:31.16 | petemc | im focusing on the answer to your question regarding resizing mounted ext3 filesystems |
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| 01:31.37 | doublehp | no; i asked abouyt ext3, you tell me about where the ext3 is stored |
| 01:31.38 | petemc | im now going to focus on the tv |
| 01:31.44 | petemc | good luck |
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| 01:32.06 | doublehp | lvm tools are for lvm |
| 01:32.10 | doublehp | mdadm for raid |
| 01:32.15 | doublehp | i am just asking about ext3 |
| 01:32.28 | doublehp | not the place where the ext3 is stored, or the color of my computer case |
| 01:32.30 | zophy | ask petemc |
| 01:32.54 | tsccof | doublehp: what do you need help with? |
| 01:33.06 | uiopqwer | i'm on debian stable (because wheezy borked my video card). i need a package newer than what stable provides, but the package is not in backports. what's the second safest alternative for upgrading the package without breaking my system? |
| 01:33.12 | doublehp | know how which tool modern people recommend to expand ext3 |
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| 01:34.11 | doublehp | google mentions only 6y old tools; i expect the comunity to have created more modern things than those i used to know when i was young |
| 01:34.33 | cthuluh | more modern than resize2fs? |
| 01:34.37 | doublehp | y |
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| 01:34.53 | cthuluh | then I can't help |
| 01:36.19 | zophy | i'd rather have have old that works than something new that i had to ask questions about |
| 01:37.10 | doublehp | resize2fs was known to work very badly ... |
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| 01:39.46 | cthuluh | well, I'm pretty sure nothing better has been done since :) |
| 01:40.12 | cthuluh | but I take it as "those arseholes can't have fixed bugs, you know" |
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| 01:40.35 | cthuluh | online expanding or ext3 and ext4 have worked fine for me |
| 01:40.39 | cthuluh | s/or/of |
| 01:40.43 | zykotick9 | !tell uiopqwer about ssb |
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| 01:45.26 | doublehp | cthuluh: wanna know how many bugs I reported, and are still unfixed more than 5 years later ? |
| 01:45.41 | doublehp | some are gonna reach 10y very soon |
| 01:46.36 | cthuluh | specifically about ext$foo utils? |
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| 01:48.41 | doublehp | i reported one against mkfs.ext2, and it was fixed ; 3 against XFS, and one of them is unfixed. |
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| 01:54.35 | acx0 | I'm running testing and I installed iceweasel from experimental using 'aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel' a long time ago and I just noticed that it hasn't updated to the most recent version, even though 'aptitude search ~o' shows iceweasel's dependencies as outdated; any ideas why? |
| 01:59.19 | somiaj | acx0: experiemential is pinned lower than your testing repo and so just rerun the command to install it from experimential |
| 01:59.31 | somiaj | acx0: you do not want packages upgrading to experimential versions automatically |
| 02:00.11 | acx0 | somiaj: I see, thanks |
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| 02:04.04 | sakax | what's the service 'Files' doing? i am using gnome DE for wheezy |
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| 02:05.50 | sakax | nevermind - it's the nautilus file manager for desktop icons |
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| 02:09.57 | somiaj | hopefully ask offtopic questions in offtopic rooms...(: |
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| 02:10.55 | n0c | anyone have a favorite image editing tool for linux that ISNT gimp? i may just try running Paint.net with wine if all else fails |
| 02:11.49 | zophy | don't listen to 50 Hz |
| 02:12.41 | zophy | n0c, you might want to look at Inkscape |
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| 02:48.35 | n0c | inkscape is photo software |
| 02:48.40 | n0c | i mean just an image editor |
| 02:49.05 | n0c | well it's for SVG i guess |
| 02:49.10 | n0c | hm |
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| 03:01.00 | somiaj | n0c: try apt-cache search, and see what you can find. I'm sure there are other tools out there. Though I like the gimp myself |
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| 03:33.08 | somiaj | n0c: there is xpaint if you want a paint like program |
| 03:33.32 | somiaj | gnome-paint, tuxpaint, seems to find a few |
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| 03:42.31 | joaomanoel | help me |
| 03:42.38 | sney | !ask |
| 03:42.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:42.56 | joaomanoel | from using nagios ... |
| 03:43.14 | joaomanoel | heloow? |
| 03:43.31 | sney | the bot just gave some instructions for asking questions |
| 03:43.49 | joaomanoel | ok |
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| 03:44.13 | joaomanoel | ... |
| 03:44.34 | sney | that was |
| 03:44.37 | sney | interesting. |
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| 03:45.28 | somiaj | read my mind because I can't think for myself? (: |
| 03:45.47 | sney | apparently |
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| 03:54.02 | n0c | thanks somiaj |
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| 04:06.10 | Jordan_U | n0c: There is also darktable, and there are certainly others whose names I can't remember. |
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| 04:06.54 | Jordan_U | n0c: What kind of things do you intend to do specifically? |
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| 04:08.12 | n0c | nothing really was just curious what this system was using |
| 04:08.34 | n0c | the main systemd package isn't installed so i'll revert to my previous thinking that debian wheezy is still SysV |
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| 04:09.07 | n0c | and indeed, sysvinit package is installed |
| 04:09.16 | n0c | i might experiment and install systemd |
| 04:09.51 | n0c | wow wrong channel sory... i was asking in #systemd about whether wheezy is using it or not |
| 04:10.11 | cthuluh | hopefully not :) |
| 04:10.29 | n0c | the colored stuff at the beginning of the boot output made me wonder if it is, but i guess that's just the kernel |
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| 04:14.43 | n0c | it's an essential package anyway so i couldnt swap if i wanted :) |
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| 04:18.10 | n0c | anyone know if i need to do anything or set this option so that the system will come back after power is lost? http://hastebin.com/gubumilika.avrasm |
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| 04:19.38 | reddolf | Isn't that a BIOS thing? |
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| 04:26.33 | Jordan_U | n0c: I can only assume that those settings are for responding to a warning from a UPS, which doesn't seem to be what you want. As reddolf said, what to do when power returns after being lost to the machine is a setting in your boot firmware. |
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| 04:28.06 | rgr | my gnome system settings are saying my location is berlin but its showing time for an hour later. wheres the "correct" placed to configure time and location now in gnome on debian wheezy? |
| 04:30.09 | Coweater | !timezone |
| 04:30.09 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 04:32.43 | rgr | why on earth does gnome still not correctly work from its location setting I wonder? |
| 04:33.19 | n0c | Jordan_U: true |
| 04:33.34 | n0c | yeah didn't think of that but you're right :) |
| 04:34.11 | n0c | well it's only an hour off right rgr? probably DST setting |
| 04:34.18 | n0c | !dst |
| 04:34.18 | dpkg | dst is probably Daylight Savings Time. Clocks "spring forward" 1 hour in spring(March/April) and "fall back" in the fall(October/November). DST was extended for 2007 by several countries, most prominently the USA and Canada. |
| 04:34.45 | rgr | well this is nuts. its says Im in berlin, and its saying its 6:34. It should have adjusted properly. |
| 04:35.06 | rgr | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Berlin' |
| 04:35.06 | rgr | Local time is now: Sun Dec 16 06:33:19 CET 2012. |
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| 04:44.06 | vitalius | i have sound with every app, including google Chrome but no sound from anything in firefox. anyone else had this problem? |
| 04:44.28 | n0c | so there's this bug that is affecting a lot of applications for me. empathy is one, gnome-control-center is another (and more critical, I'd really like to be able to get in there!) How would i find and install an older version or backport from squeeze for instance to get this running? relevant link: http://bugs.x2go.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=62 |
| 04:44.39 | n0c | i don't think i'm using the term backport correctly |
| 04:44.44 | n0c | !backport |
| 04:44.44 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:45.04 | n0c | yeah i just need an older package i guess |
| 04:47.10 | sney | n0c: unfortunately, squeeze and wheezy's gnome internals are completely different and not compatible with each other |
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| 04:55.45 | n0c | ah |
| 04:56.00 | n0c | different major version i think |
| 04:56.58 | n0c | 3.4 versus 2.3 according to packages.debian.org |
| 04:57.04 | n0c | bummer |
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| 04:59.53 | n0c | another question, not really debian specific but when i su to root and run, say, aptitude, the utf8 'lines' are replaced with x. any way around this? |
| 05:00.26 | n0c | this is in gnome-termianl but it happens on other consoles too |
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| 05:02.23 | Arrowmaster | n0c: only time ive seen that happen is when using PuTTy |
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| 05:02.41 | Arrowmaster | is the locale set to utf8? |
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| 05:03.26 | Arrowmaster | by that i mean is LANG set to something ending in .UTF-8? |
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| 05:17.48 | n0c | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:17.57 | n0c | yeah this is in gnome-termianl |
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| 05:20.00 | furryhead | Hey guys... i have a unique situation, trying to do a netinst but i dont have a usb key or a cd burner ._. And no pxe support |
| 05:20.08 | furryhead | Any advice/ideas? |
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| 05:22.03 | n0c | damn that's a hard one |
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| 05:23.22 | furryhead | Lol ikr... |
| 05:23.50 | furryhead | I have a phone with usb support, but obviously i cant modify the boot sector |
| 05:24.20 | furryhead | I have a puppylinux disc already, but i mean idk if that helps |
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| 05:25.58 | n0c | not really |
| 05:26.46 | n0c | time to swap the disk into a system with a pxe enabled nic i think |
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| 05:27.06 | n0c | just get base installed and then do the rest from the intended system |
| 05:27.18 | furryhead | Laptop, only other computer i have is a desktop |
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| 05:27.27 | furryhead | (I.e. i dont have a hdd adapter) |
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| 05:27.50 | n0c | i havent seen a laptop without pxe in a lot of years |
| 05:27.58 | n0c | you sure it's not toggleable in the bios setup |
| 05:28.37 | furryhead | its a windows millenium designed computer ._. |
| 05:29.03 | furryhead | Its a laptop without a ether plug |
| 05:29.24 | furryhead | And idk if it was designed with a dock, but i didnt get it |
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| 05:30.15 | n0c | well it's not likely that it will support whatever wlan card is in it then |
| 05:30.26 | n0c | so, not sure how much point there is with installing an OS on it |
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| 05:30.32 | n0c | other than ME. lol |
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| 05:31.45 | furryhead | I know it has the drivers for my wifi card, it doesnt (afaik) have a builtin wifi |
| 05:31.57 | n0c | ah |
| 05:31.58 | furryhead | I use a zd1211w wifi card |
| 05:32.04 | n0c | pcmcia |
| 05:32.20 | n0c | lotta years since ive used one of those too ;) |
| 05:32.25 | furryhead | Probably, but thats the kernel module it loads |
| 05:32.38 | furryhead | Ooh |
| 05:32.59 | furryhead | Well i know it has that really old card slot ._. But it has a modem builtin too |
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| 05:33.33 | neon__ | can I hotplug an IDE while in suspend? |
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| 05:39.32 | zykotick9 | neon__: if you went to sleep, and woke up and your arms where differnt - how would you react? i think it's a bad idea myself... |
| 05:39.50 | n0c | lol |
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| 05:41.28 | neon__ | zykotick9, It happened to me once. But they released me after some time. |
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| 05:41.39 | Arrowmaster | ive hotplugged an ide dvd drive attached to an ide to sata adapter, it was stupid but it worked |
| 05:41.50 | Arrowmaster | while the system was running |
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| 05:42.49 | AshleyWaffle12 | Hi, is there an official channel for Debian Sid discussion? |
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| 05:42.57 | tintin | Anybody there? Can i ask now? |
| 05:43.28 | Arrowmaster | AshleyWaffle12: there is #debian-next on OFTC for testing discussions, thats about the closest i can think of |
| 05:43.29 | tintin | How can i delete eth0 ? |
| 05:43.34 | AshleyWaffle12 | Thanks Arrowmaster |
| 05:43.47 | tintin | I have new motherboard, but the network is connected with eth2 |
| 05:43.55 | tintin | How can i delete the previous eth ? |
| 05:44.38 | Arrowmaster | tintin: check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 05:45.20 | zykotick9 | !tell tintin about 70 |
| 05:45.25 | Arrowmaster | thats probably keeping any old network adapters with their device names even if they dont exist anymore |
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| 05:50.33 | tintin | After changing the motherboard, i got this message, what should i do ? [drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer. |
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| 06:03.42 | tintin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.45 | tintin | What to do? |
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| 06:05.10 | LtL | tintin: run glxgears see what frame rates you get |
| 06:06.45 | tintin | I'm getting this message after changing the motherboard |
| 06:07.03 | tintin | How can i know the built in graphics chip of this MSI motherboard? |
| 06:07.23 | zykotick9 | tintin: try "lspci | grep -i vga" |
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| 06:08.51 | tintin | glxgears => https://gist.github.com/4303758 |
| 06:09.16 | LtL | tintin: not good |
| 06:09.33 | tintin | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 06:10.39 | tintin | LtL: Why not good? |
| 06:10.56 | LtL | tintin: its extremely slow |
| 06:11.14 | mapf | hi. I have `test x${EMACS} = xt && EMACS=' in configure script |
| 06:11.15 | mapf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.24 | tintin | LtL: Then what to do? what should i do? |
| 06:11.31 | LtL | tintin: check for the correct module, lspci -nn |
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| 06:11.40 | mapf | and I have error `./configure: 649: test: x23.4.1: unexpected operator' |
| 06:11.43 | LtL | tintin: its a hex code |
| 06:11.48 | mapf | that should I do? |
| 06:12.08 | mapf | = is excessive i think, but script should work |
| 06:12.36 | tintin | if i run 'lspci' , would it display the current information from the current motherboard? |
| 06:12.54 | tintin | Or will it still display the older motherboard informations? |
| 06:13.15 | LtL | tintin: should display the current board |
| 06:13.26 | tintin | then this=> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:13.29 | tintin | What should i do? |
| 06:13.50 | tintin | How can i restart xorg or xserver ? |
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| 06:14.07 | tintin | Or should i reinstall debian since i have new motherboard? |
| 06:14.17 | LtL | tintin: get the pciid for the device, make sure its loading the proper module |
| 06:14.36 | LtL | tintin: a reinstall wouldn't hurt |
| 06:15.04 | tintin | aptitude install pciid ? |
| 06:15.19 | tintin | LtL: How can i make sure that it loads the proper module? |
| 06:15.32 | LtL | tintin: lspci -nn give us the hex code in brackets |
| 06:15.42 | zykotick9 | tintin: "lspci -vnn | grep -i vga" and look for something like 8086:4222 |
| 06:16.24 | mapf | is it possible that i have broken sh? |
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| 06:17.03 | tintin | Is it? [8086:2e32] |
| 06:17.07 | tintin | LtL: zykotick9 ^ |
| 06:17.12 | tintin | Now what to do with it? |
| 06:17.17 | Devastator | ,pciid 8086:2e32 |
| 06:17.18 | judd | [8086:2e32] is '4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2e32 |
| 06:18.03 | LtL | tintin: lsmod, do you see those modules |
| 06:18.19 | Devastator | lsmod | grep i915 |
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| 06:19.49 | tintin | root@mybox:/home/user1# lsmod | grep ata |
| 06:19.49 | tintin | ata_generic 2247 0 |
| 06:19.49 | tintin | ata_piix 17736 3 |
| 06:19.49 | tintin | libata 115869 2 ata_generic,ata_piix |
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| 06:20.04 | tintin | ops, sory |
| 06:20.11 | LtL | tintin: pastebin |
| 06:20.22 | Devastator | lsmod | grep i915 |
| 06:20.31 | tintin | http://bpaste.net/show/jCQqVayG7oHC5MPb9Ode/ |
| 06:20.43 | Devastator | :| |
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| 06:20.58 | LtL | what Devastator asked, tintin |
| 06:21.05 | LtL | one line |
| 06:21.26 | tintin | please see this: http://bpaste.net/show/64692/ |
| 06:21.50 | tintin | How can i install modules? |
| 06:22.00 | Devastator | seems to be loading the correct modules.. |
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| 06:22.12 | LtL | tintin: its there, modprode loads modules |
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| 06:22.47 | tintin | So which module should i install now? |
| 06:22.58 | LtL | tintin: none |
| 06:23.04 | tintin | that sucks |
| 06:23.32 | LtL | tintin: you may have a conflicting modules or i dunno, MTRR is a strange beast |
| 06:24.11 | tintin | What is that MTRR ? |
| 06:24.14 | shadow_fox | hi how can i restore to a previous state , as i have updated some of the packages and its acting really weird. no shutdown option, cant connect to wifi etc... so i am hoping to restore it to the first premium version without any lose of data. even if i do lose data that woudnt be an issue |
| 06:24.28 | wei2912 | just to check |
| 06:24.38 | wei2912 | aptitude doesn't use apt-get right? |
| 06:24.46 | LtL | tintin: memory type range register |
| 06:25.17 | tintin | I have also added extra ram |
| 06:25.23 | LtL | tintin: its not mapping memory allocation correctly |
| 06:25.27 | tintin | I had 1GB, now i have 4GB |
| 06:25.43 | LtL | tintin: that really shouldn't matter |
| 06:25.50 | tintin | So what should i do now? |
| 06:25.51 | Devastator | tintin are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 06:27.05 | tintin | or should i install this? v linux-modules-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 06:27.22 | Devastator | ,versions libdrm-intel1 |
| 06:27.23 | judd | Package: libdrm-intel1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.21-1~squeeze3; squeeze-multimedia: 2.4.23-0.0; squeeze-backports: 2.4.26-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.4.33-3; wheezy: 2.4.33-3; experimental: 2.4.40-1 |
| 06:27.24 | tintin | 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP |
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| 06:27.53 | Devastator | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 06:27.54 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1 |
| 06:27.59 | jalalsfs | Hi everyone, |
| 06:28.27 | jalalsfs | How can I install python 3 on Wheezy? |
| 06:28.59 | Devastator | tintin try to use the backported kernel, libdrm-intel1 and xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 06:29.51 | LtL | tintin: firmware installed? firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree ... may help |
| 06:30.11 | LtL | Devastator: good idea |
| 06:30.43 | Devastator | LtL heheh |
| 06:31.14 | Devastator | I'm off to bed, good luck :) |
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| 06:34.25 | tintin | Should i instal this? v linux-modules-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 06:35.06 | LtL | tintin: you seem to have the proper modules, a backported kernel is the best idea i can think of. |
| 06:35.25 | jalalsfs | I want to install python3, should I have to remove the old one first? |
| 06:35.43 | LtL | tintin: better device support in 3.2 kernel |
| 06:35.45 | jalalsfs | I'm using Wheezy. |
| 06:36.35 | tintin | Or should i install this? p linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package) |
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| 06:36.55 | LtL | tintin: 3.2 is better and easy |
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| 06:38.04 | LtL | tintin: you will still retain the current kernel, no worries |
| 06:38.07 | tintin | 3.2 is not available for me here with squeeze |
| 06:38.27 | LtL | tintin: you don't have backports in the sources.list |
| 06:38.41 | tintin | Why do i need backports? |
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| 06:38.49 | tintin | backports are not for squeeze |
| 06:39.24 | LtL | ok if you say so, try reading up on it |
| 06:39.40 | LtL | !tell tintin -about bpo |
| 06:40.10 | jalalsfs | LtL, I want to install python3, and I have 2.7.3 should I remove the old one first? |
| 06:40.30 | jalalsfs | LtL, I'm using Wheezy version. |
| 06:40.57 | LtL | jalalsfs: hrm, i can't say |
| 06:41.27 | jalalsfs | LtL, Okay, thank you. |
| 06:41.39 | LtL | jalalsfs: sorry keep asking |
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| 06:46.33 | wols | jalalsfs: no. other programs in your installation depend on the python version |
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| 06:48.12 | jalalsfs | wols, So what can I do now? just install python3? |
| 06:48.26 | jalalsfs | wols, sudo aptitude install python3 |
| 06:48.27 | jalalsfs | ? |
| 06:49.15 | wols | where would you get this python3 from? |
| 06:49.32 | jalalsfs | wols, source of debian. |
| 06:49.39 | wols | and yes, if it's from the debian repos, then that's what you do |
| 06:49.41 | jalalsfs | I'm using Wheezy version. |
| 06:49.43 | somiaj | python3.2 is in wheezy I belive and can live along side python2.7, note you may have to use the alternatnve system to set the default. |
| 06:50.20 | wols | it should add the python3 and you probably can run it with "/usr/bin/python3" or so. the other python programs which come with debian would still use normal python 2.7.x |
| 06:50.39 | wols | setting the default to python3 is probably not a good idea |
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| 09:10.52 | neon__ | I get this error from audacity: jack server is not running or cannot be started |
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| 09:14.41 | Infiltrator | neon__: Do a dpkg -L jackd |
| 09:14.50 | Infiltrator | neon__: Or whatever the package name was. |
| 09:15.29 | neon__ | Infiltrator, and then what? |
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| 09:16.20 | Infiltrator | neon__: Well, that will tell you what file (if any) it installed in init.d |
| 09:17.00 | neon__ | no init.d files only /usr |
| 09:17.24 | samrat | there seems to be 52 CDs in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/. do I need all 52 or what? |
| 09:17.29 | Infiltrator | Or that might be in the post-scripts... |
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| 09:17.43 | Infiltrator | neon__: What happens if you run jackd directly? |
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| 09:17.57 | naptastic | I just built a new system with 2x 3TB hard drives, which I want to use in a RAID 1 configuration. |
| 09:17.59 | Infiltrator | samrat: If you want to do a new install you only need the netints one. |
| 09:18.05 | wols | samrat: no. only the first. you only need all CDs if you want to have a full debian repo available where you have no internet connection |
| 09:18.14 | neon__ | Infiltrator, I get a usage message |
| 09:18.27 | Infiltrator | wols: Nice answer. |
| 09:18.40 | Infiltrator | naptastic: Are you having any problems doing so? |
| 09:18.40 | neon__ | Infiltrator, I also found an app in the applications menu, but it faults when opened |
| 09:18.52 | naptastic | Infiltrator, yes. :-( I will explain: |
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| 09:19.00 | Infiltrator | neon__: Then try jackd --daemon or similar. |
| 09:19.11 | samrat | wols: the first one meaning CD-1? I don't want to do a netinstall |
| 09:19.15 | naptastic | Grub-install fails, citing the lack of a BIOS boot partition on the GPT drive. |
| 09:19.20 | naptastic | hang on, lemme get the exact error message... |
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| 09:19.38 | bluesm | Which GUIs leave the top (without bar on the top) ? |
| 09:19.45 | Infiltrator | samrat: Yes; CD1. But what do you mean by you don't want to do netinstall? |
| 09:20.26 | Infiltrator | bluesm: Do you mean which ones _don't_ have a bar at the top? If so, most of the DEs are configurable. |
| 09:20.34 | Infiltrator | bluesm: I don't think that gnome3 is, though. |
| 09:20.36 | samrat | Infiltrator: you said that I needed the "netints" one. didn't you mean net-installation by that? |
| 09:20.39 | neon__ | usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 |
| 09:20.41 | wols | samrat: yes, CD1 |
| 09:20.58 | neon__ | "the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again" |
| 09:21.02 | Infiltrator | samrat: Yes. But if you're not willing/able to do a net-installation, then CD1 may not suffice for your needs. |
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| 09:21.35 | Infiltrator | neon__: Do you have another audio daemon/layer currently running? |
| 09:21.35 | neon__ | "Failed to start server" |
| 09:21.43 | neon__ | idk |
| 09:21.56 | goto | does a blank/black screen on rasbpian is raspbian specific or can I askthis here too? |
| 09:22.24 | samrat | Infiltrator: hmm... so won't I be able to have a preliminary installation working with just CD1. I do have internet connection, only its a bit slow |
| 09:22.42 | ompaul | !raspberian |
| 09:22.48 | Infiltrator | goto: We might be able to help; but if not, you're better off asking on raspbian irc/ng/whatever else. |
| 09:22.53 | ompaul | goto: there is some place but this ain't it |
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| 09:23.02 | samrat | Infiltrator: so, what I intend to do is have a basic install working then install the other packages I need |
| 09:23.30 | Infiltrator | samrat: I'm not sure what's on CD1, but it will give you a basic system, at least. |
| 09:23.31 | naptastic | Infiltrator, I couldn't find the error message so I tried googling what I remembered and found an answer. :-) Thank you! |
| 09:23.40 | ompaul | !tell goto about raspberry |
| 09:23.51 | Infiltrator | samrat: It may even go as far as DE; you'd have to checkd the contents. |
| 09:23.53 | naptastic | Infiltrator, (I need to create a small partition at the top just to function as a BIOS boot device.) |
| 09:24.09 | Infiltrator | samrat: DVD1 I'm sure has (almost) everything you'll want. |
| 09:24.39 | goto | ompaul: had this with debian wheezy also for x86 machines |
| 09:24.45 | Infiltrator | naptastic: A ~1GB drive mounted to /boot? |
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| 09:24.53 | goto | ompaul: there xset workef |
| 09:25.10 | samrat | Infiltrator: thanks. approximately how much GBs am I looking at, if I do a netinstall? |
| 09:25.16 | naptastic | Infiltrator, I don't think /boot == what Grub needs as a "BIOS boot device" |
| 09:25.29 | naptastic | but I will create /boot as a non-raid volume and install grub onto it |
| 09:25.42 | naptastic | if /boot gets hosed, it's not that hard to fix (for me) |
| 09:25.57 | naptastic | It's /home and /var I worry about XD |
| 09:26.08 | naptastic | I'mma lurk here though in case I need more help. <3 |
| 09:26.19 | Infiltrator | naptastic: /boot != "BIOS boot device"; but that's usually how it's done. |
| 09:26.52 | naptastic | Infiltrator, sadly this huge drive + GPT + grub stuff is a new world to me. Learn, learn, learn, that's all I ever do... |
| 09:26.53 | Infiltrator | samrat: It depends on which packages you want. I'm sure that you could get a Debian system running (without a DE) in <1G. |
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| 09:27.40 | bluesm | Infiltrator: Yea, probably not in gnome 3 |
| 09:27.42 | bluesm | :) |
| 09:28.16 | Infiltrator | bluesm: Hence I say without a DE. :P |
| 09:28.17 | goto | thanks |
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| 09:29.59 | Infiltrator | Does anybody have an estimate for how large a "standard" (choosing default options in the installer) Debian install would be? |
| 09:30.52 | mosno | pretty sure that givse you gnome |
| 09:30.54 | mosno | gives* |
| 09:31.14 | mosno | which you don't want right? |
| 09:31.54 | Infiltrator | mosno: Asking for samrat, actually. |
| 09:32.23 | Infiltrator | Also, I actually do run gnome3; though I spend most of my time in the virtual consoles with gnome shut down. |
| 09:32.47 | Infiltrator | It's being a PITA with keyboard layout at the moment, too. |
| 09:33.20 | mosno | yeah, do an expert install with the netinst iso, add APT::Install-Recommends "false"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf, install xorg, and install some tiny window manager |
| 09:33.37 | mosno | and DON'T install any of those "tasks" |
| 09:33.44 | mosno | eg. standard install, laptop, desktop, etc. |
| 09:34.02 | mosno | there's your minimal base you can work off |
| 09:34.17 | mosno | but you'll end up with gnome and half of kde installed in the end so yeah |
| 09:34.29 | mosno | whatever floats your boat |
| 09:34.53 | Infiltrator | Or bloats your boat. :P |
| 09:34.58 | mosno | hehe |
| 09:35.24 | mosno | then you'll buy a mac and get sick of it, then you'll just run windows with linux in a vm |
| 09:35.31 | Infiltrator | But samrat actually wants to know how much space a standard install would take; so I'm assuming doing basic install and selecting those tasks. |
| 09:35.39 | Infiltrator | Ewwwwww. |
| 09:35.53 | Infiltrator | Don't even talk like that. |
| 09:35.57 | mosno | :) |
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| 09:36.07 | OLNET | Hello |
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| 09:36.38 | mosno | i've no idea how much space it takes, i seldom do it |
| 09:36.46 | mosno | you get a whole boatload of junk you'll never use |
| 09:37.23 | mosno | and you'll wonder how your system hangs together. but hey, it's debian, you'll be wondering that a bit anyway |
| 09:37.26 | Infiltrator | I installed back in etch and have been going since, so I have even less idea. :P |
| 09:37.32 | Infiltrator | !tell OLNET about ask |
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| 09:38.03 | Infiltrator | Actually Debian stable has been very stable for me. |
| 09:38.06 | OLNET | I have problem about MTU in debian |
| 09:38.20 | OLNET | when i change it, i cannot connect to internet |
| 09:38.22 | mosno | stable is good if you choose your software carefully |
| 09:38.25 | mosno | there's still crap in stable |
| 09:38.51 | wols | OLNET: this is a debian problem how? |
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| 09:38.56 | mosno | and you gotta know how to backport eventually |
| 09:39.13 | mosno | which is one hurdle i never had the patence to jump |
| 09:39.17 | mosno | patience* |
| 09:39.26 | Infiltrator | mosno: Depends on what you need to do. :P |
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| 09:39.29 | mosno | true |
| 09:39.43 | Infiltrator | mosno: Or you can do what I did and jump into experimental. >:D |
| 09:40.18 | mosno | basically, if you run debian and you're your own sysadmin, you're going to have to learn package management pretty damn well |
| 09:40.25 | OLNET | i follow this tutorial http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm |
| 09:40.26 | mosno | no matter which option you choose |
| 09:40.29 | OLNET | after that i cannot connect to internet |
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| 09:40.40 | mosno | depending on your needs, as you say, Infiltrator |
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| 09:41.33 | mosno | maybe that was just my (bad) luck |
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| 09:41.55 | kaosu | With the Debian handbook that you can read for free on the official site, not many can really complain about not being able to learn or achieve X. Most everything a person would want to do is likely covered by it |
| 09:42.21 | kaosu | There are just too many people that don't read it before giving up on whatever it is they wanted to achieve. |
| 09:42.45 | mosno | oh, i read it |
| 09:42.58 | mosno | but as i said, i didn't have the patience (or time for that matter) |
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| 09:43.14 | Infiltrator | I need to get around to reading that. :P |
| 09:43.31 | mosno | i assume we're talking about Debian Reference |
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| 09:44.09 | wols | OLNET: what happens if you don't configure MTU at all but set it via ifconfig after you are connected to the internet? |
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| 09:44.16 | mosno | but Debian seems to be my go-to distribution for "i need some random *nix tool for a quick job", so kudos for that huge repo :) |
| 09:44.23 | wols | OLNET: and do please not PM people. stay in channel |
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| 09:44.55 | OLNET | i change MTU to get lo latency |
| 09:45.00 | OLNET | low latency |
| 09:45.25 | OLNET | but after i change it, i cannot connect |
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| 09:47.17 | yskapell | hello |
| 09:47.29 | Infiltrator | OLNET: Could you please define connect? What exactly happens? What messages? |
| 09:47.41 | yskapell | Does any one has install sparc OS in Debian testing 64 bit using qemu? |
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| 09:48.04 | Infiltrator | yskapell: What's the problem you're having? |
| 09:48.12 | yskapell | does not boot |
| 09:48.34 | yskapell | Trying cdrom:f... |
| 09:48.35 | yskapell | Not a bootable ELF image |
| 09:48.35 | yskapell | Not a bootable a.out image |
| 09:48.42 | naptastic | OLNET, yeah, that basically won't work on the Internet. Every device between you and your destination has to accept the MTU that you're setting. |
| 09:48.56 | Infiltrator | yskapell: Maybe incorrect bit-ness? |
| 09:49.07 | naptastic | OLNET, it only takes one device to thwart it, and your packets never get where they're going. |
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| 09:49.22 | yskapell | the same if I use sparc32 or sparc64 |
| 09:49.45 | naptastic | OLNET, If you're doing a direct cable connection between two computers, then you can set MTU as high as you want or need; otherwise, 1500 bytes is as good as it's going to get. |
| 09:50.23 | OLNET | Thank, i will try it |
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| 09:51.37 | OLNET | by the way, how to change MSS ? i cannot find it in google |
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| 10:03.29 | thomaschaaf | Hi I am trying to add a new partition to my drive. parted prints this: http://pastie.org/5538203 how would I add a new partition with the remaining space? |
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| 10:05.03 | Woet | thomaschaaf: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 10:05.59 | thomaschaaf | Woet: http://pastie.org/5538207 this does not print the others |
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| 10:06.33 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: I like cfdisk, it is a lot more user-friendly than fdisk |
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| 10:07.00 | thomaschaaf | Vasistha: Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected. Use GNU Parted. :( |
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| 10:07.16 | thomaschaaf | so sadly I can't use that |
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| 10:07.50 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: oh it's raid! well ... I have no experience with raid, but I would advise you to be careful. |
| 10:08.36 | thomaschaaf | I just wanted a raid for the os and not for the entire thing :( |
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| 10:10.34 | Vasistha | thomaschaaf: oh, did you set that up? Is there any data on it? |
| 10:11.02 | thomaschaaf | I can reinstall if thats the question |
| 10:11.22 | thomaschaaf | I set it up thinking I know could add a new partition which is outside the raid |
| 10:11.40 | Vasistha | ah okay, so you're not risking losing anything important, that means you can PLAY ;) |
| 10:11.59 | Vasistha | so I'd suggest just running gnu parted, you can certainly do partition editing with that! |
| 10:12.24 | Vasistha | or you could use a gui tool if you really want, but I tend to prefer the raw CLI versions myself |
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| 10:13.34 | Infiltrator | If you're new to it and still learning, then the GUI tool might be better for you; unless you're the sort of person that likes to get into the guts of things. |
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| 10:14.40 | cardiel | how can i install latest firefox? is there any apt source or do i need to install it manual? |
| 10:15.16 | Infiltrator | cardiel: Which distro are you on? squeeze? |
| 10:15.21 | thomaschaaf | I think I got it :) |
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| 10:18.29 | acemi | cardiel: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 10:19.17 | invariant | Is everything below /var/cache useless on a system that doesn't run? |
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| 10:19.43 | Infiltrator | invariant: Define "useless" and "doesn't run"? |
| 10:20.37 | invariant | Infiltrator, caches are supposed to make things only faster and deletion of them shouldn't affect the operational behaviour. |
| 10:20.51 | Vasistha | invariant: are you wondering what you need to back up before wiping or something? |
| 10:21.00 | invariant | Vasistha, yes |
| 10:21.31 | Infiltrator | invariant: Well, I know that at least uptimed keeps its info in there. So the question remains: define "useless" and "doesn't run"? |
| 10:22.35 | Infiltrator | invariant: If you wipe everything in /var/cache/ your system will still run; but you may lose some info. |
| 10:22.36 | acemi | Infiltrator: you need /var/cache to install packages via apt too |
| 10:22.43 | invariant | Infiltrator, is there any data stored which has been put there by a human? |
| 10:23.03 | invariant | Infiltrator, for example in /etc/ a human has made a modification, same for /home. |
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| 10:23.33 | invariant | Databases are stored also below /var somewhere which would also count as a human modified piece of data. |
| 10:25.00 | ompaul | invariant: what are you actually trying to do, what do you want to know about the old box on the new? |
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| 10:26.26 | ompaul | invariant: please be aware by being incomplete in your answers people trying to help can't, because they have no framework upon which to hang the question - and you may get the answer, but not the one you actually want |
| 10:26.30 | invariant | ompaul, anything which was modified by a person should be retained and the rest (/usr/lib32, etc.) can be removed. |
| 10:27.00 | ompaul | invariant: I could answer the whole box was altered by a person, does the machine run email? |
| 10:27.08 | ompaul | it is a server of any sort? |
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| 10:27.18 | cardiel | acemi: but that is and outdated iceweasel version right? |
| 10:27.55 | invariant | ompaul, no email. |
| 10:28.00 | ompaul | invariant: to what end, is it a regulatory requirement, is it a I want to see what I did 6 months ago and so on |
| 10:28.13 | invariant | ompaul, no, it's just for myself. |
| 10:28.30 | cardiel | Infiltrator: i use testing |
| 10:28.31 | Infiltrator | invariant: For yourself to do what, though? |
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| 10:28.40 | ompaul | invariant: you would not have put data there but programs you use would put data there |
| 10:29.05 | invariant | ompaul, sure, but nothing terribly important, right? |
| 10:29.06 | Infiltrator | cardiel: If that's not new enough for you, you could try experimental. |
| 10:29.13 | invariant | ompaul, in that it can be recreated when needed. |
| 10:29.22 | ompaul | invariant: correct, if I want my data, I just keep /home |
| 10:29.28 | cardiel | Infiltrator: does experimental have firefox? |
| 10:29.43 | Infiltrator | invariant: Well, in the case of uptimed, no. But it depends on what you have and want to keep. |
| 10:29.49 | cardiel | Infiltrator: and how stable is experimental? |
| 10:29.52 | ompaul | invariant: if I need to know what programs I installed previously I'd be inclined to keep the log files |
| 10:30.00 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 10:30.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 10:30.06 | Infiltrator | cardiel: The name says it all. :P |
| 10:30.31 | invariant | ompaul, which logfile keeps that information? |
| 10:30.39 | cardiel | Infiltrator: i thought so :) , is it possible to use mint or ubuntu sources for just firefox? |
| 10:30.39 | ompaul | invariant: /var/logs |
| 10:30.50 | invariant | ompaul, I mean which programs you had installed. |
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| 10:30.57 | invariant | ompaul, that's a directory. |
| 10:31.00 | Infiltrator | cardiel: Highly unreccomended. |
| 10:31.07 | invariant | ompaul, I just use dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:31.09 | ompaul | invariant: the clue is in the directory look and see |
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| 10:31.33 | cardiel | Infiltrator: ok |
| 10:31.51 | ompaul | invariant: so I guess we part on this question, grab whatever you think is useful, all of it and then purge and next time you won't have such a bad time trying to get info |
| 10:32.09 | Infiltrator | cardiel: And actually sorry; you should try unstable before experimental. |
| 10:32.14 | Infiltrator | I always forget the order. |
| 10:32.28 | cardiel | Infiltrator: but does unstable have firefox? |
| 10:33.02 | cardiel | Infiltrator: i just moved from arch to debian, i had stability issues with arch that is updated every now and then |
| 10:33.07 | Infiltrator | cardiel: All the distros squeeze - experimental have firefox (rebranded as iceweasel). |
| 10:33.34 | ompaul | cardiel: they all have iceweasel there is no firefox |
| 10:33.45 | cardiel | Infiltrator: so iceweasel 17 is available in unstable? |
| 10:33.46 | cardiel | ok |
| 10:33.55 | ompaul | cardiel: you can if you are so thinking install firefox from mozilla but not from here |
| 10:34.06 | Infiltrator | cardiel: I think that only experimental has v17. |
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| 10:34.17 | Infiltrator | But you'll have stability issues. |
| 10:34.27 | Infiltrator | s/'ll/ might/ |
| 10:35.02 | cardiel | 16 was stable in arch so why shouldnt it be in debian? |
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| 10:37.07 | cardiel | is it possible to just use unstable or experimental for iceweasel and no other packages? |
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| 10:38.01 | Infiltrator | cardiel: It depends on what other packages it depends on, though. |
| 10:38.17 | Infiltrator | Plus you'll need to do some work to stop everything else from wanting to upgrade. |
| 10:39.37 | cardiel | Infiltrator: ok.. so how do i add a source for a specific package? |
| 10:39.46 | Infiltrator | cardiel: You don't. |
| 10:40.03 | Infiltrator | You can either add the repo and set up pinning or grab just that package as a .deb. |
| 10:41.16 | cardiel | so ill just add the repo and download the package and then remove repo again? |
| 10:41.34 | Infiltrator | cardiel: This is my /etc/apt/preferences if you want to set up something similar: http://paste.debian.net/216553/ |
| 10:41.40 | Infiltrator | Caveat: I'm a madman. |
| 10:42.10 | Infiltrator | cardiel: Or you could do that, yes. But you won't get the upgrades unless you repeat the process. |
| 10:43.15 | cardiel | ok, thanks.. if i use that setting would it just install the experimental packages that i specify i want to install, and when i do apt-upgrade it will install packages from testing repo? |
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| 10:46.18 | Infiltrator | cardiel: You need to check the man page for the exact meanings of each pinning priority; but basically I have it set up so it stays in the distro that I choose manually and doesn't automatically upgrade to the next one. |
| 10:47.09 | Infiltrator | But multi-distro packages is a bad idea. |
| 10:47.13 | Infiltrator | Hence my caveat. |
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| 10:50.09 | Infiltrator | Basically, if you do this then expect things to break; and don't complain when they do. :) |
| 10:51.20 | cardiel | Infiltrator: ok thanks.. just read the man page and i got it sorted out i think :) |
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| 10:53.49 | bhasker | sshguard - I have problems with persistent storage. I have enabled the -b option but when I do a re-start of sshguard I want the last blocked IPs to be maintained instread of starting from fresh slate. |
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| 11:02.02 | dutchfish | bhasker, at the top of my head its list is already maintained in /var/dbsshguard/blacklist.db, but i could be wrong. |
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| 11:05.10 | dutchfish | bhasker, btw its -b [num]:filename |
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| 11:07.35 | dutchfish | bhasker, see also: http://www.sshguard.net/docs/man/sshguard/#s-TOUCHINESS & BLACKLISTING |
| 11:08.55 | bhasker | dutchfish: I did try these |
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| 11:09.26 | dutchfish | bhasker, what debian and what version are you using? |
| 11:09.50 | bhasker | the initial db file is getting created but for instance when I do a service sshguard restart the iptables firewall rules are all reset and the attackers get one more chance... I do not see anything written to the file either |
| 11:09.55 | bhasker | dutchfish: I am using wheezy |
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| 11:10.25 | dutchfish | bhasker, not tested it on wheezy yet myself. |
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| 11:10.55 | dutchfish | bhasker, since i dont use testing for production envirenments |
| 11:11.27 | bhasker | dutchfish: i am expecting that sshgurd must save the rogue ips and during a system re-start the ips must get introduced into the iptables automatically... is my assumption right ? |
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| 11:11.53 | dutchfish | bhasker, if there is a db filled, it get loaded yes |
| 11:12.10 | dutchfish | if not the db is created |
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| 11:12.55 | sdagadan | !list |
| 11:12.55 | dpkg | sdagadan: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:12.59 | bhasker | dutchfish: thanks. Then I think there is some issue with the db creation or flusing. Moreover I found that if I use the format -b 10:<filename> sshguard fails to start whereas a simple -b /var/log/sshguard-blk.db works fine |
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| 11:13.27 | bhasker | dutchfish: by works fine i mean starts up fine but does not write anything to db |
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| 11:14.28 | dutchfish | bhasker, what perl version on your system? |
| 11:14.43 | dutchfish | bhasker, and does yslog tell you anything? |
| 11:14.56 | dutchfish | bhasker, syslog* |
| 11:15.39 | bhasker | perl v5.14.2 (all wheezy default installs) no changes done to the syslog configs and so auth.log has auth information. syslog does not show anything particular to sshguard |
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| 11:16.09 | dutchfish | bhasker, same on my testing v5.14.2 .... mmm.... |
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| 11:16.41 | dutchfish | bhasker, i will give it a spin today and report back if i find something messy |
| 11:17.10 | dutchfish | bhasker, no idee as of yet |
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| 11:26.18 | dutchfish | bhasker, i just installed from stable-bpo on wheezy, that one works for me. Must be an issue with 1.5-5 |
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| 11:31.58 | dutchfish | bhasker, fyi http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3252151&group_id=188282&atid=924685 |
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| 11:34.07 | dutchfish | bhasker, and https://launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1357322/+listing-archive-extra |
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| 11:34.26 | dutchfish | i bet that fix works as well in debian |
| 11:35.22 | dutchfish | (typo fix) |
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| 11:50.31 | hellyeah | okey |
| 11:50.35 | hellyeah | here is the issue |
| 11:50.42 | hellyeah | when i do sudo grub |
| 11:50.44 | hellyeah | than |
| 11:50.49 | BoozeWooz | :o ? |
| 11:50.53 | hellyeah | setup(hd0,2) |
| 11:50.53 | BoozeWooz | tissue? |
| 11:50.56 | hellyeah | or something |
| 11:51.00 | BoozeWooz | you do |
| 11:51.05 | hellyeah | it said unspecified file type |
| 11:51.05 | BoozeWooz | setup (hd0,2) |
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| 11:51.09 | BoozeWooz | there must be space between :) |
| 11:51.14 | BoozeWooz | is very picky from grub |
| 11:51.17 | hellyeah | what |
| 11:51.25 | BoozeWooz | put there |
| 11:51.29 | BoozeWooz | setup (hd0,2) |
| 11:51.36 | BoozeWooz | NOT setup(hd0,2) |
| 11:51.43 | hellyeah | i guess i did it like that |
| 11:51.45 | BoozeWooz | :P |
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| 11:51.48 | hellyeah | just typing mistake |
| 11:51.56 | hellyeah | i did typing mistake here |
| 11:51.58 | BoozeWooz | so it works? |
| 11:52.07 | hellyeah | it said unspecified file type |
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| 11:52.25 | BoozeWooz | hmm... |
| 11:52.34 | hellyeah | is there a way to fix grub withing windows with the help of software? |
| 11:52.43 | RLa | Depends: libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (>= 1.3.10) but it is not going to be installed <- in wheezy for most gtk apps, a broken package? |
| 11:52.52 | BoozeWooz | you put inside, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:52.53 | BoozeWooz | ODER |
| 11:52.55 | BoozeWooz | grub.cfg |
| 11:52.57 | voltagex | I'm having trouble getting simple-cdd to complete a disc, details and configs are at http://lists.debian.org/debian-blends/2012/12/msg00010.html |
| 11:53.00 | BoozeWooz | you can edit there by you are self |
| 11:53.18 | BoozeWooz | (much easier ^^) |
| 11:53.30 | hellyeah | install -grub command direct me into grub shall btw |
| 11:53.39 | BoozeWooz | hmm |
| 11:53.59 | hellyeah | anyway i hate windows |
| 11:54.09 | BoozeWooz | why? |
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| 11:54.24 | hellyeah | sometimes windows start responding weirdly |
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| 11:54.33 | hellyeah | for example i am playing nfs most wanted 2012 |
| 11:54.37 | BoozeWooz | :P is wintendo, only for playing games |
| 11:54.48 | hellyeah | before format, |
| 11:55.04 | hellyeah | i could play this game in 800 600 with minimum graphic deails |
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| 11:55.08 | hellyeah | details? |
| 11:55.11 | hellyeah | after format |
| 11:55.35 | hellyeah | i can play this game 1360 768 with almost full graphic details |
| 11:55.38 | hellyeah | what the hell |
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| 11:55.41 | BoozeWooz | :S? wtf... |
| 11:55.45 | hellyeah | another example |
| 11:55.50 | BoozeWooz | may-be video driver is not so good installet? |
| 11:55.56 | hellyeah | before format i couldnt put my machine to sleep |
| 11:56.04 | BoozeWooz | oder.. you have puttet wrong old driver |
| 11:56.05 | hellyeah | after format this function start working |
| 11:56.11 | BoozeWooz | :DD |
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| 11:56.17 | hellyeah | what about this |
| 11:56.25 | hellyeah | another example |
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| 11:56.37 | hellyeah | before format my fan works so fast |
| 11:56.50 | hellyeah | after format my fan works kinda slow |
| 11:56.55 | hyp | :wc |
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| 11:58.09 | hellyeah | btw |
| 11:58.13 | hellyeah | my cpu is 80C |
| 11:58.16 | hellyeah | is it a problem |
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| 11:58.31 | hellyeah | GPU 60C |
| 11:58.34 | BoozeWooz | o yes I know hmm |
| 11:58.44 | Zharf | it's a bit hot |
| 11:58.45 | BoozeWooz | is offtopic from debian but i can help, admin say if cannot:) |
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| 11:58.56 | BoozeWooz | What typesyou have? cpu and gpu? brand and number? |
| 11:59.15 | hellyeah | i have sony vaio vpcf 136fx |
| 11:59.22 | hellyeah | intel i7 |
| 11:59.45 | BoozeWooz | hmm its a bit new yes. the coolerpaste can be hardened and then it doesnt conduct heat so well... |
| 11:59.48 | hellyeah | CPU 80C GPU 60C |
| 12:00.10 | hellyeah | i bought this computer 3 years ago |
| 12:00.35 | hellyeah | core 1 76C core2 79C core 3 76V |
| 12:00.38 | hellyeah | core 1 76C core2 79C core 3 76C |
| 12:00.39 | BoozeWooz | Yes I think then it became hard.. Did it have this temperatures 3 years ago? |
| 12:01.06 | BoozeWooz | Also, fans can become full of dust |
| 12:01.23 | hellyeah | i am not sure |
| 12:01.29 | hellyeah | about three years ago |
| 12:01.52 | hellyeah | i can get somefore to clean up my fan but does it really work i am not sure |
| 12:01.59 | BoozeWooz | Also, you may try LinuxPHC. If it supports you can undervolt it. |
| 12:02.18 | BoozeWooz | I think it must be fan, or hardened cooler paste. Wait i search for you |
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| 12:03.43 | newbie | in debian it was slover |
| 12:04.04 | Guest14564 | unfortunately i couldnt install any fan temprature software in debian |
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| 12:04.37 | hellyeah | af |
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| 12:05.17 | BoozeWooz | http://s3.electronics-cooling.com/legacy_images/2002/05/2002_may_techbrief_figure1.jpg |
| 12:05.20 | BoozeWooz | here's |
| 12:05.35 | BoozeWooz | dry thermal grease cause much higher temperature |
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| 12:07.33 | hellyeah | is there any software that draws graph like that by measuring my fan temprature |
| 12:07.33 | BoozeWooz | http://media.beta.photobucket.com/user/paralies/media/Extreme%20Spirit%20II%20Project/Dried_Thermal_Paste.jpg.html?filters[term]=dried%20thermal%20paste&filters[primary]=images |
| 12:07.38 | BoozeWooz | here, it dries like that |
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| 12:07.47 | BoozeWooz | hmmm |
| 12:07.56 | BoozeWooz | I think you can try Speedfan but its for windows |
| 12:08.20 | BoozeWooz | I am not sure for linux applications, I use myself XSensors, but it shows current tempreture only |
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| 12:08.33 | hellyeah | there is lm-sensors |
| 12:08.36 | BoozeWooz | some people are happy with gkremmln (or something) but I never used it |
| 12:08.40 | hellyeah | but i cannot configure it |
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| 12:08.52 | hellyeah | couldnt* |
| 12:08.59 | BoozeWooz | you must do sensors-detect first |
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| 12:09.54 | netgod | BoozeWooz: put your mom's computer back together and leave it alone |
| 12:10.06 | BoozeWooz | :D how you know? |
| 12:10.14 | hellyeah | yeah sensors-detect didnt work |
| 12:10.22 | BoozeWooz | what kind of beugs? |
| 12:10.24 | hellyeah | it is command for lm-sensors |
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| 12:10.38 | hellyeah | i dont know it said load some kernel module |
| 12:10.42 | Guest68291 | Is there a package for yacy.net (distributed, encrypted, anonymous peer2peer search engine) for Debian, yet? |
| 12:10.44 | hellyeah | i loaded it didnt work again |
| 12:10.55 | BoozeWooz | my moms pc is more preform than my computer anyways.. its sad |
| 12:11.07 | BoozeWooz | and all she is doing is facebook and that stuff :/ |
| 12:11.14 | BoozeWooz | hmm... what module? are you running from inside VM?? |
| 12:11.15 | hellyeah | where are you from BoozeWooz |
| 12:11.29 | hellyeah | i couldnt remember |
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| 12:11.34 | BoozeWooz | netherlands |
| 12:11.41 | lasers | hellyeah: "sudo sensors-detect" |
| 12:11.52 | hellyeah | computer is expensive there? |
| 12:12.00 | BoozeWooz | hmm not sure.. i think it is |
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| 12:12.13 | BoozeWooz | you can buy very expensive, but cheap too. i think |
| 12:12.43 | wols | hellyeah: not really. bit higher than usual but not really high as in 3rd world countries with their high tariffs |
| 12:12.47 | BoozeWooz | cheap will be +- 100-150 euro |
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| 12:13.51 | wols | you generally won#t get a a 150€ computer in the netherlands. Used ok, but not new |
| 12:14.05 | BoozeWooz | yes you can. selfbuilt :/ |
| 12:14.10 | wols | no |
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| 12:14.14 | BoozeWooz | yes... |
| 12:14.22 | BoozeWooz | but without monitor i think |
| 12:14.24 | lasers | wols: I'm back from my 2days~ trip. I got your messages on Synology, QNAP, HP. I see that N40L have 4HDD. What else is similar to N40L? Wrong channel though. ;) |
| 12:14.33 | wols | mobo 40, cpu 40, hdd 40, case 20, memory 20 |
| 12:14.35 | wols | above 150 |
| 12:14.36 | hellyeah | tra |
| 12:14.36 | BoozeWooz | However, for internet usage its enough |
| 12:14.43 | hellyeah | tariffs is stupid anyway |
| 12:14.55 | hellyeah | nowadays people buy something from china |
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| 12:14.55 | BoozeWooz | meoory 200? |
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| 12:15.03 | BoozeWooz | no. you can get like 8 euro for memory |
| 12:15.15 | hellyeah | and just carry it to country he or she stays |
| 12:15.24 | wols | BoozeWooz: and remember: you said 100€ |
| 12:15.35 | BoozeWooz | :P |
| 12:15.39 | BoozeWooz | wait i make something for u |
| 12:16.05 | epsilon | you can get one for 150, but you will pay the rest with frustration |
| 12:16.28 | wols | epsilon: celeron g530+h61 board it's doable |
| 12:16.38 | BoozeWooz | yes, and celeron g530 not so bad :/ |
| 12:16.44 | wols | the powersupply will be useless at that pricepoint tho. and totally inefficient |
| 12:16.44 | BoozeWooz | why fustration.. |
| 12:17.13 | BoozeWooz | Doesn't matter. It's work. |
| 12:17.17 | wols | BoozeWooz: cause at 8€ for memory you will be very frustrated |
| 12:18.02 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: what OS are you actually using ? |
| 12:18.07 | BoozeWooz | >_> I can run LXDE at my pentium 3 600mhz 256mb ram good, except flash. PC you buy for 100-150 is 10x better. I not say I would buy it but for people only need PC 30min - 2 hours day. Its enuf |
| 12:18.12 | BoozeWooz | :DD hi ikonia. |
| 12:18.18 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: what OS are you actually using ? |
| 12:18.29 | BoozeWooz | ;) no need for getting offtopic ikonia |
| 12:18.33 | ikonia | it's not offtopic |
| 12:18.34 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: what OS are you actually using ? |
| 12:18.47 | BoozeWooz | No need to be spamming stuff here ;O asking 1x is enuf |
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| 12:19.00 | BoozeWooz | Hmm I run RHEL for matters but, other pc's debian |
| 12:19.01 | ikonia | answer the question |
| 12:19.03 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: what OS are you actually using ? |
| 12:19.05 | BoozeWooz | no |
| 12:19.08 | ikonia | what OS is this problem on |
| 12:19.16 | BoozeWooz | Debian |
| 12:19.29 | ikonia | right, so why are you asking in pretty much every other linux OS channel |
| 12:19.33 | ikonia | suggesting it's on their distro |
| 12:19.33 | BoozeWooz | I don't want to undervolt on any server boxes |
| 12:19.39 | BoozeWooz | What other channels? |
| 12:19.55 | ikonia | #rhel #centos #fedora |
| 12:20.04 | BoozeWooz | Is it a problem? |
| 12:20.09 | ikonia | yes |
| 12:20.14 | ikonia | as it's not clear what OS you're using |
| 12:20.18 | ikonia | the OS's behave different |
| 12:20.29 | BoozeWooz | hmmm.. |
| 12:20.31 | ikonia | the channels are their to support the OS you're having a problem on, not generic linux |
| 12:20.36 | ikonia | "there" |
| 12:20.42 | BoozeWooz | I hear no one complain there |
| 12:21.02 | ikonia | because you've not told them the truth about what you are doing/using |
| 12:21.05 | ikonia | they are trying to help you on the OS you are in the channel for |
| 12:21.21 | BoozeWooz | Plus this channel is debian support, get back ontopic pls |
| 12:21.22 | ikonia | eg: if you are asking debian question in #fedora, that is a problem as they will try to help you thinking you are running fedora |
| 12:21.34 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: I'm trying to actually get you on topic and the right channel for the right help |
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| 12:21.47 | BoozeWooz | Naw, you're not helping at all |
| 12:22.32 | hellyeah | i love debian |
| 12:22.36 | BoozeWooz | :D me too |
| 12:22.38 | ikonia | fair enough, if you can't see that asking in multiple channels about debian problems (or in debian about RHEL problems depending on which one you are doing) will get you incorrect help and annoy people - no problem. |
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| 12:22.57 | hellyeah | but i would like to see small program in the panel like force quit, system monitor i cannot use anymore |
| 12:23.05 | BoozeWooz | Please take this discussion, if needed to have at all ikonia, to private message |
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| 12:23.24 | BoozeWooz | Channel is too polluted because these discussions |
| 12:23.33 | BoozeWooz | :P CTCP? |
| 12:23.48 | BoozeWooz | :DDD |
| 12:23.50 | hellyeah | i guess this is not discussion |
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| 12:24.05 | BoozeWooz | yes, i just ended the discussion. |
| 12:24.14 | hellyeah | i dont think anyone here are carious about any discussion |
| 12:24.29 | hellyeah | they are just volunteer to help and spread out their OS may be |
| 12:24.33 | BoozeWooz | Anyways, hmm I'm not sure. I like debian but, there's certain problems with it. |
| 12:25.02 | BoozeWooz | The apt manager is very nice though. |
| 12:25.20 | hellyeah | apt is kinda slow, was faster though |
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| 12:26.19 | BoozeWooz | I run debian testing on some boxes and the newest software is very nice. |
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| 12:26.40 | BoozeWooz | While gentooing, I could do this too but I would have to manually check every pkg. |
| 12:26.42 | hellyeah | squeeze, wheezy |
| 12:26.59 | hellyeah | yeah this one of feature of gentoo |
| 12:27.31 | BoozeWooz | I coulnd't get SELinux to work though on debian.. neither on ubuntu. |
| 12:27.43 | BoozeWooz | For Fedora and CentOS i got it both setted up very nice |
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| 12:28.19 | hellyeah | dont get me wrong |
| 12:28.31 | hellyeah | but this debian spesific channel i guess |
| 12:28.36 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Question: in Iceweasel some pages have fonts withouth any smooting (square pixels) on my laptop lcd. When I look at the same pages in Firefox on Ubuntu the fonts show allright. The system font settings don't seem to influence the font rendering in Iceweasel. Anybody knows how to get smooth fonts in Iceweasel? For example: http://sounl.org (no offense ment, it's just a good example of fonts not rendering smoothly) |
| 12:28.43 | BoozeWooz | ja ok sorry =) I'll get it back ontopic |
| 12:28.47 | hellyeah | ikonia: try to tell you |
| 12:29.08 | hellyeah | if you have non-topic discussion on the level of OS you can go channel linux |
| 12:29.18 | hellyeah | or i would prefer to go defocus |
| 12:29.25 | hellyeah | it is social channel in freenode |
| 12:29.30 | hellyeah | do you know defocus |
| 12:29.37 | BoozeWooz | hmm no. He was just angry for me because I told ubuntu = spyware. :P so i get banned there. RMS said it too. |
| 12:30.00 | hellyeah | try defocus |
| 12:30.06 | BoozeWooz | but I don't want to talk about him anymore. Lets keep topic on. |
| 12:30.21 | BoozeWooz | whats defocus? |
| 12:30.34 | hellyeah | but there are a lot of people here who need help about debian related issue |
| 12:30.52 | hellyeah | when you speak off topic. People cannot focus on what they suppose to focus |
| 12:30.57 | hellyeah | may be |
| 12:31.01 | hellyeah | defocus is a channel |
| 12:31.08 | BoozeWooz | o sure yes. hmm you could try linux phc I think |
| 12:31.11 | hellyeah | ./join #defocus |
| 12:31.25 | BoozeWooz | I have it too on my debian box and it gives me longer times. |
| 12:31.30 | hellyeah | try this channel you see alot of discussion more than you anticipate |
| 12:31.49 | BoozeWooz | I will go there, thanx |
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| 12:33.30 | BoozeWooz | meh nautilus is getting weird again |
| 12:34.51 | BoozeWooz | everytime i click a folder, it opens a new box |
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| 12:35.48 | BoozeWooz | hmm this is weird, sometimes in terminal if i press "tab" |
| 12:35.49 | hellyeah | may be yo want to look at preferences or something |
| 12:35.56 | BoozeWooz | it will autocomplete. other times it will not? |
| 12:36.03 | BoozeWooz | while that command/rpgoram is clearly there?? |
| 12:36.23 | hellyeah | what |
| 12:36.30 | hellyeah | can i be more clear |
| 12:36.38 | BoozeWooz | press for example , in terminal |
| 12:36.40 | BoozeWooz | shu |
| 12:36.43 | BoozeWooz | and press then tab |
| 12:36.51 | BoozeWooz | *i mean shut |
| 12:36.54 | BoozeWooz | it will autocomplete to "shutdown" |
| 12:37.03 | BoozeWooz | for some other commands which are there, it doesnt autocomplete thou :S |
| 12:37.25 | hellyeah | i am not sure it compltete command |
| 12:37.37 | hellyeah | afaik it complete file name or folder name automatically |
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| 12:38.40 | BoozeWooz | o |
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| 12:39.53 | Infiltrator | It does commands as well. |
| 12:40.24 | Infiltrator | Press tab quickly twice. If there is more than one completion, it will list them when you double-tab. That may be why you think it's not working. |
| 12:40.31 | Infiltrator | BoozeWooz: ^ |
| 12:40.43 | BoozeWooz | Display all 256 possibilities I get then |
| 12:40.59 | eni23 | hello. i have a question: i set up network as static and seems to work fine. but if i do "host thehostaname" it shows me a wrong ip address |
| 12:41.17 | Infiltrator | BoozeWooz: There you go. :) |
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| 12:42.43 | eni23 | what can i do? going crazy about this? |
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| 12:43.29 | Infiltrator | eni23: Which host is that? The local host? |
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| 12:45.14 | eni23 | Infiltrator: yes. im running samba4 with internal dns |
| 12:45.52 | Infiltrator | eni23: Try doing nslookup or dig and see what if you get the correct address that way. |
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| 12:46.08 | Infiltrator | If not, then it's probably your DNS records. |
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| 12:48.20 | eni23 | Infiltrator: yes its the local dns server. its from samba. it gives me back the wrong ip. anyone knows to change that dont found anything |
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| 12:49.42 | Infiltrator | eni23: If it's your DNS server resolving the hostname to an incorrect address, then update your DNS records. |
| 12:50.07 | eni23 | Infiltrator: |
| 12:50.23 | eni23 | yes i know but samba4 seems not to have any config files |
| 12:50.31 | eni23 | (for dns) |
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| 12:52.35 | BoozeWooz | can i use ubuntu pakcages for debian? |
| 12:52.45 | themill | not normally |
| 12:53.26 | BoozeWooz | because I need to install some PPA, otherwise i would have to selfcompile whih is annoying |
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| 12:54.12 | daimrod | is there a way to tell aptitude to suggest me to install -doc and -dev packages when there are available? |
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| 12:55.46 | |thunder | to all. what's a good debian based distro that is updated more frequently and has a modern kernel than regular debian, but ISN'T ubuntu? |
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| 12:56.00 | BoozeWooz | plain debian :o ? |
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| 12:56.05 | |thunder | i already have that |
| 12:56.13 | BoozeWooz | hmm try mepis |
| 12:56.14 | |thunder | im sick of having an acient kernel |
| 12:56.21 | |thunder | ancient |
| 12:56.23 | BoozeWooz | or debian testing |
| 12:56.38 | |thunder | im worried it'll be broken all the time. is that a legit concern ? |
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| 12:56.56 | BoozeWooz | well.. you want the most new kernel :D so its on your own advice |
| 12:57.08 | BoozeWooz | but.. you dont need to upgrade the packages you dont like though |
| 12:57.21 | BoozeWooz | If only kernel is your concern, just update the kernel, and nothing else? |
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| 12:57.48 | |thunder | hmm, i considered that. but im scared to fry my install. im not so great at the kernel compilations |
| 12:58.19 | ikonia | |thunder: why do you want a later kernel ? |
| 12:58.26 | BoozeWooz | You can always install different versions, grub you can put multiiple |
| 12:58.27 | themill | Chasing kernel versions is so 1998... spend your time on more useful things. |
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| 12:58.46 | BoozeWooz | So you can always boot back to previous version in grub:o |
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| 12:59.38 | BoozeWooz | But yeah , selfcompiling is more work than someone else doing it for you :D |
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| 13:01.12 | |thunder | i think i will persue a selp compile. My issue is lirc. i want it working |
| 13:01.21 | BoozeWooz | lirc? |
| 13:01.29 | |thunder | BUT, the kernel version that ships with 6.0 is absolutely incapable of using lirc. |
| 13:01.37 | BoozeWooz | o infrared hm |
| 13:01.38 | |thunder | lirc is built into newer kernels |
| 13:01.45 | ikonia | |thunder: why do you want a later kernel ? |
| 13:01.45 | |thunder | yeah, i want to use my remote |
| 13:02.03 | |thunder | because lirc is totally fucored on Deb6 |
| 13:02.07 | ikonia | does it not have the irda module available ? |
| 13:02.07 | |thunder | fuxored |
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| 13:02.35 | themill | if all you need is a new kernel, then that's trivial to add to squeeze. |
| 13:02.46 | |thunder | it is impossible to get lirc working on deb 6 without compiling the lirc modules and recopiling the kernel |
| 13:03.16 | ikonia | |thunder: are the irda/lirc modules not available in the current kernel |
| 13:03.22 | |thunder | i can't even compile the lirc modules for some reason. it just bails |
| 13:03.37 | |thunder | not in the one that's ships with 6.0 |
| 13:03.46 | |thunder | kerel .32 or something has them integrated |
| 13:03.53 | |thunder | i forget the exact version |
| 13:04.04 | BoozeWooz | theres kernel 3.7 already |
| 13:04.06 | BoozeWooz | go for it :D |
| 13:04.22 | ikonia | I didn't ask if you could compile them |
| 13:04.31 | |thunder | im just thinking of changing to a different flavor of debian that is faster to roll out newer kernels and packages |
| 13:04.36 | ikonia | is there not the idra/lirc modules on the current kernel |
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| 13:04.57 | |thunder | not on 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:05.08 | themill | |thunder: [13:02] <themill> if all you need is a new kernel, then that's trivial to add to squeeze. ← there's no need to look for a derivative to get a newer kernel |
| 13:05.24 | |thunder | i see |
| 13:05.30 | ikonia | I'm sure the irda/lirc modules are available for your current kernel |
| 13:05.40 | |thunder | they are, but i can't compile them |
| 13:05.43 | |thunder | it bails |
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| 13:05.50 | |thunder | with a rather useless error |
| 13:06.02 | ikonia | ok - so would it not be better to fix that |
| 13:06.04 | ikonia | rather than looking to do a kernel upgrade ? |
| 13:06.07 | ikonia | more so as you don't know if the upgrade will fix the problem |
| 13:06.15 | themill | actually showing us the error would also be a step towards fixing it |
| 13:06.32 | |thunder | lemme find it. thanks guys ! |
| 13:07.03 | BoozeWooz | 5 more days |
| 13:07.06 | ikonia | |thunder: future reference, it's better to ask "how do I compile this lirc module on debian X" rather than "I want a new kernel....." |
| 13:07.11 | themill | (but just upgrading to the backports kernel might be easier than mucking about with lirc-modules-source) |
| 13:07.18 | ikonia | |thunder: tell people the real problem, rather than what you think the solution is |
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| 13:07.42 | BoozeWooz | mm this is odd thou |
| 13:07.52 | BoozeWooz | xfce4 looks exactly like gnome |
| 13:07.54 | BoozeWooz | *2 |
| 13:07.57 | |thunder | http://pastebin.com/wTjrGifi |
| 13:08.06 | BoozeWooz | even their launcher types and everything is a straight copy |
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| 13:08.31 | |thunder | that out put is from m-a or whatever. it's just the end of the out put cuz I couldnt copy it all. |
| 13:08.45 | |thunder | that me compiling the lirc modules with m-a |
| 13:08.47 | ikonia | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-lirc-maint/2010-July/000966.html |
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| 13:09.01 | ikonia | first hit on google |
| 13:09.28 | |thunder | so, what does this mean for me? |
| 13:09.46 | ikonia | have you read it ? |
| 13:10.13 | BoozeWooz | there's many letter writings inside of it :DD |
| 13:10.15 | |thunder | i just did. "Justification: renders package unusable" so, im F'd ? |
| 13:10.39 | |thunder | i understand what it says, just not the implications for me |
| 13:10.39 | themill | |thunder: no, read the entire thread. |
| 13:12.30 | |thunder | hmm, ok, so, they provide a patch. i apply this patch to the source and it should m-a bulid properly ? |
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| 13:12.38 | |thunder | am i understanding that correctly ? |
| 13:12.42 | Thomas_de_Graaff | I think I've found the clue for ugly font rendering in Iceweasel. The only Helvetica fonts in Debian Wheezy are in /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi and /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi. These are not scalable fonts I guess. Will I get in trouble when removing these? |
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| 13:13.12 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Or is there a way to install proper Helvitica font? |
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| 13:13.58 | BoozeWooz | Try to rename, if nothing borks, you're safe ^^ |
| 13:14.09 | BoozeWooz | _75dpi and _100dpi |
| 13:15.05 | jelly-home | that's horrible advice, going to break bitmap fonts for all other apps as well |
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| 13:15.15 | BoozeWooz | So? then just renmae it back :/ |
| 13:15.40 | Thomas_de_Graaff | What apps use bitmap fonts? |
| 13:15.45 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: yeah. Try to do that when your xterm does not start |
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| 13:15.55 | BoozeWooz | you can login singleuser |
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| 13:16.07 | BoozeWooz | or switch to ttyl2 |
| 13:16.46 | jelly-home | Thomas_de_Graaff: various X utilities still do, and apparently your browser |
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| 13:17.53 | Thomas_de_Graaff | I've found this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Disable_bitmap_fonts Maybe something alike can be done in Debian? |
| 13:18.08 | BoozeWooz | Wha'ts funny though, I got rid of this nautilus. Installed PCMANFM, but nautilus is still running o_O |
| 13:19.09 | BoozeWooz | hmm my xterm colors are all spoiled, what is the correct way of doing it? |
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| 13:19.13 | BoozeWooz | Green on black or? |
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| 13:20.17 | jelly-home | Thomas_de_Graaff: very likely, since debian uses fontconfig as well |
| 13:20.36 | hellyeah | xterm kinda sucks |
| 13:20.37 | Thomas_de_Graaff | jelly-home, I am going to try if that works. |
| 13:21.34 | BoozeWooz | any application for displaying tempetarues in GUI? |
| 13:21.45 | BoozeWooz | xsensors is not so nice... and gkremmlin too expensive :/ |
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| 13:22.23 | Thomas_de_Graaff | It works perfectly! :D Hurray! |
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| 13:23.14 | BoozeWooz | hmm now my pc is too perform |
| 13:23.31 | lasers | How can I file a request for a package to be backported? |
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| 13:23.36 | ikonia | do you actually have a question/problem rather than some sort of odd running commentary ? |
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| 13:23.46 | BoozeWooz | you |
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| 13:24.19 | Thomas_de_Graaff | I'm new to Debian. Does anybody know where to post a bug concerning Iceweasel using bitmapped fonts? |
| 13:24.36 | ikonia | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 13:24.42 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Thx. :) |
| 13:24.44 | jelly-home | you'd use |
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| 13:24.46 | BoozeWooz | xDD bugs bunny |
| 13:24.48 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 13:24.48 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 13:25.24 | BoozeWooz | hmm I installed gnome-applet-sensors however It doesnt show in the gnome taskbar "add panel items" |
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| 13:30.09 | BoozeWooz | hmm how to go up one directory? |
| 13:30.28 | ikonia | hang on - you're telling someone it's easy to compile a kernel |
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| 13:30.34 | ikonia | but you can't change directory ? |
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| 13:30.52 | BoozeWooz | No one said it would be easy (some song by coldplay) |
| 13:30.55 | tintin | Anybody there ? Can i ask now? |
| 13:31.02 | BoozeWooz | Sup tintin |
| 13:31.08 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: are you just messing around ? |
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| 13:31.18 | BoozeWooz | ikonia: no |
| 13:31.26 | tintin | update-grub didn't add a line for windows 7 , what's wrong? |
| 13:31.45 | BoozeWooz | what grub version you have? |
| 13:32.01 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: then why do you keep making stupid comments like coldplay songs and bugs bunny, and how to change directory, when you've just told someone it's "simple" to copile a kernel |
| 13:32.11 | BoozeWooz | copile? |
| 13:32.15 | ikonia | "compile" |
| 13:32.21 | BoozeWooz | hmm |
| 13:32.31 | BoozeWooz | it is simple, actually |
| 13:32.39 | ikonia | tintin: have you added the windows line to the grub config |
| 13:32.43 | tintin | ii grub 0.97-64 GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package) |
| 13:32.56 | BoozeWooz | so you must have /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 13:33.01 | ikonia | tintin: update-grub will only update the grub config with what's in the pre-build config |
| 13:33.02 | tintin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.13 | ikonia | tintin: ok, that may be the issue then |
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| 13:33.26 | BoozeWooz | tintin: can you see if there's /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
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| 13:33.37 | tintin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.41 | BoozeWooz | ah ok |
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| 13:34.47 | BoozeWooz | http://technologytales.com/2010/11/21/manually-adding-an-entry-for-windows-7-to-an-ubuntu-grub2-menu/ |
| 13:34.50 | BoozeWooz | here, this will help |
| 13:35.10 | dune | w 2 |
| 13:35.17 | BoozeWooz | w 2? |
| 13:35.36 | dune | BoozeWooz: Sorry, misspell. ;-) |
| 13:35.39 | jelly-home | tintin: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:36.32 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Question: is it usefull to file a bug for a wheezy package, or should bugs always be filed for experimental? |
| 13:36.42 | jelly-home | tintin: if os-prober package is installed, update-grub ought to detect a windows 7 partition automatically |
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| 13:37.01 | ikonia | is the bug in wheezy or experimental |
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| 13:37.18 | Thomas_de_Graaff | It's in wheezy, I haven't installed experimental. |
| 13:37.24 | jelly-home | Thomas_de_Graaff: file a bug for the version you found the bug in. |
| 13:37.37 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Ok. |
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| 13:37.42 | Thomas_de_Graaff | thx. |
| 13:37.54 | tintin | windows 7 is installed on ntfs partition |
| 13:38.22 | tintin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.07 | BoozeWooz | hmm what text editors you use |
| 13:41.12 | BoozeWooz | vi/vim? nano? |
| 13:41.33 | ikonia | what does it matter what other people use ? use what you like |
| 13:41.41 | ddalton | Hey guys, i was just wondering if anyone knows whether the debian installer will align partitions on my ssd correctly? I already have a /home partition on the disk, so wuld be looking at either using "guided use largest continuous free space" or the manual method. |
| 13:41.45 | BoozeWooz | what you use ikonia :o ? |
| 13:42.01 | ikonia | it doesn't matter what I use |
| 13:42.04 | lasers | How can I file a request for a package to be backported? There are no mention of that on Wiki-Debian-Backports |
| 13:42.08 | BoozeWooz | sometimes its recommended to use gedit, but it feels bloated to me |
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| 13:42.15 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: then don't use it |
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| 13:42.19 | ikonia | it's really simple, use the software you like |
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| 13:42.46 | ikonia | ddalton: I've seen this complaint a few times, but never actually experienced it myself, I've got multiple SSD's and never seen it not align partitions correctly. |
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| 13:43.14 | ddalton | ikonia: sure, but howto verify alignment post-installation? |
| 13:43.33 | ikonia | you should be able to see it using any partition manager, making sure the numbers match up |
| 13:43.43 | ikonia | there is a solid document on the web, hang on let me see if I can find it |
| 13:44.02 | ddalton | ikonia: suppose i use fdisk -l is it sufficient to check that the first block is divisible by 512? |
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| 13:44.15 | ddalton | ok. |
| 13:44.16 | ikonia | ddalton: that's not a bad way to get a basic idea |
| 13:44.46 | ddalton | ikonia: but end block for a given partition does not need to be divisible by 512 exactly? |
| 13:45.06 | ikonia | I thought it did |
| 13:45.14 | ikonia | let me see if I have that document bookmarked |
| 13:45.20 | ikonia | that explains it much better than my knowledge allows |
| 13:45.51 | ddalton | ikonia: but wouldn't that then put the following block which signifies the start of another partition out of phase i.e. it would not be divisible by 512? or should there be space between the partitions or something? |
| 13:46.06 | ddalton | ok.. sure |
| 13:46.07 | ikonia | ddalton: why would the first block be out if the last block is "in" |
| 13:47.02 | ddalton | well if the first block is at 2048 it can be divided by 512, and suppose the last block of that partition is also divisible by 512, the next partition i.e. sda2 will start 1 block after the end of sda1? so therefore it can not be divided by 512 equally? |
| 13:47.14 | jelly-home | ddalton: debian 6 installer should do 1MiB (2048 sectors) alignment |
| 13:47.23 | ddalton | i mean if u have mutliple partitions i.e. /home, / swap etc. |
| 13:47.45 | ikonia | ddalton: this isn't the doc I'm looking for but it seems quite good scanning through it http://www.fhgfs.com/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=PartitionAlignment |
| 13:48.02 | ikonia | I'm looking for the other one now |
| 13:48.09 | ddalton | jelly-home: I already have a /home partition though (replacing ubuntu) so won't be using the guided section, would be using the manual partition editor. will this still work |
| 13:48.10 | jelly-home | ddalton: other partitions, if you'd created any, would also have the same 1MiB alignment |
| 13:48.32 | BoozeWooz | aaaa as SU you actually create stuff inside /root hmpff thats why this isnt working!! |
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| 13:48.41 | ddalton | ikonia: thanks. |
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| 13:48.43 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: please stop with the commentary |
| 13:48.52 | BoozeWooz | what? |
| 13:49.16 | ikonia | BoozeWooz: the commantary of what you are doing, please stop, it's not giving any context anything, it's just random |
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| 13:49.26 | BoozeWooz | sure. sorry |
| 13:49.29 | ikonia | thanks |
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| 13:51.03 | jelly-home | ddalton: I haven't actually tried the manual partition editor for squeeze, but I'm fairly confident it's parted based and will do the same alignment |
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| 13:53.25 | ddalton | jelly-home: planning to use wheezey, actually. |
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| 13:54.03 | ddalton | ikonia: I do not really understand this doc - checking current partitions. What exactly am i looking for in the fdisk output? |
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| 13:54.19 | BeryCZ | hi :) |
| 13:54.20 | ikonia | hang on, just going through my bookmarks |
| 13:54.35 | ddalton | ok.. sorry |
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| 13:54.55 | jelly-home | ddalton: wheezy will most likely do the right thing; most if not all partitioning software defaults to 1MiB alignment by now |
| 13:55.01 | ikonia | not a problem, the doc was just good and made it easy to understand, so it may make it easier |
| 13:55.32 | ddalton | jelly-home: if my partition start at 2048 should i be safe? |
| 13:55.38 | jelly-home | ddalton: yes |
| 13:56.07 | jelly-home | modern ssd firmware detects and works around CHS alignment anyway |
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| 13:56.29 | ddalton | jelly-home: so when i make subsequent partitions does it matter where I make them? say if I make my root partiton start at 2048 and exactly 15 Gb will this be ok |
| 13:56.51 | ddalton | ok cool |
| 13:56.55 | jelly-home | ddalton: yes |
| 13:56.56 | BeryCZ | abrotman: hi, i was her eyesterday, tried solve a problem with eth broadcom on lenovo ideapad... so eth works now, used alx from compat-wireless-2012-05-10-p.tar.bz2 ... cos there is no alx anymore "Luis removed all the crap driver from compat to force the developers to put them into the mainline kernel" |
| 13:57.04 | BeryCZ | here* |
| 13:57.09 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Anybody who want's to disable bitmap fonts in iceweasel: ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf |
| 13:57.22 | Thomas_de_Graaff | (system wide) |
| 13:57.22 | jelly-home | ddalton: with 95% confidence; I haven't tried wheezy installer either ;-) |
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| 13:58.04 | ddalton | jelly-home: I understand. is thee any performance indicator u could think of that might indicate i've messed something up? |
| 13:59.04 | jelly-home | ddalton: you'd have to intentionally set up a misaligned system, do benchmarks, then wipe with an ATA SECURITY ERASE command, set up an aligned system, do benchmarks again and compare |
| 13:59.10 | jelly-home | ... to see any difference |
| 13:59.26 | ddalton | hahaha, ok, don't think i'll do that :P |
| 13:59.39 | ddalton | let's just hope i did it corectly:) |
| 13:59.47 | jelly-home | because ssds are fast enough you probably wouldn't notice it either way |
| 13:59.55 | BoozeWooz | hey, thanks all for help. I need to go now =) bye |
| 14:00.07 | ddalton | i suppose alignment just helps prolong the life time a bit. |
| 14:00.44 | ddalton | also, what file system do people recommend on the ssd? ext4? |
| 14:02.04 | pmo_ | afaik misaligned disk would mean 2 data access or more for the same whole data in a block.. will slow down much on hard drive.. on ssd.. the obvious way, is.. do you see your ssd access much slower then they should be ! |
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| 14:03.04 | ddalton | pmo_: no idea, no point of comparason; is much faster than the old hdd though. |
| 14:03.30 | pmo_ | ddalton, you can look for bench of your ssd |
| 14:03.45 | ddalton | hmmm, yes, good htough. |
| 14:03.49 | ddalton | thought* |
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| 14:04.26 | jelly-home | at home I just use ext4 with normal mount options. Some people suggest using no journal. Unsure how much of that is cargo cult |
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| 14:05.14 | ddalton | jelly-home: so no reason to bother with rtfs? sounds good |
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| 14:08.43 | ddalton | ok, and one final question, sorry. |
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| 14:09.01 | jelly-home | rtfwhatsit? |
| 14:09.02 | ddalton | Are there any good reasons to go 64 bit over 32 bit? (just a personal laptop) |
| 14:09.15 | ddalton | i've heard 64 bit has less software and could have problems with some hardware |
| 14:09.24 | dvs | ddalton: if your laptop has more than 4G of memory |
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| 14:09.34 | jelly-home | IMHO, no, if you're going with Debian, keep using a 32bit userspace |
| 14:09.52 | jelly-home | you can use a 64bit kernel to get access to whole ram |
| 14:10.04 | jelly-home | (even with a 32bit installation) |
| 14:10.32 | ddalton | jelly-home: why? and so it is possible to use 64 bit kernel and 32 bit user space? |
| 14:10.37 | ddalton | i have exactly 4 gb ram :) |
| 14:11.05 | dvs | ddalton: you're still losing a bit of your RAM |
| 14:11.16 | jelly-home | ddalton: yes it is, I've been using that for a couple years now |
| 14:11.39 | jelly-home | there are a couple edge cases where a 32bit system still wins |
| 14:11.44 | wols | ddalton: it will often cause some difficulties with e.g. nvidia drivers |
| 14:12.07 | pmo_ | i remember people need to use "trim" on ssd |
| 14:12.24 | jelly-home | wols: I haven't had any issues with nvidia drivers since I went 64bit kernel. |
| 14:12.29 | wols | not need. dependance on trim has lessened with modern SSDs |
| 14:12.48 | wols | jelly-home: how do you make sure you use a 64bit kernel module and a 32bit userland? |
| 14:12.48 | jelly-home | that's two years give or take |
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| 14:13.03 | jelly-home | wols: it's the only option |
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| 14:13.15 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:13.17 | hellyeah | whats up |
| 14:13.25 | jelly-home | wols: there's a 64bit kernel. It gets used. There's 32bit userland, it gets used. |
| 14:13.42 | jelly-home | nvidia-kernel-dkms works. |
| 14:13.42 | wols | ând how do you make sure you get the correct bitness for each? |
| 14:13.44 | ddalton | so should i just install 32 bit system and a 64 bit kernel then? howto get 64 bit kernel, couldn't find it in apt easily, although im running ubuntu admittenly (looking to replace with debian again) |
| 14:13.55 | jelly-home | wols: there's nothing to "make sure" |
| 14:14.05 | wols | ddalton: with 4GB, go 64bit. no use not to |
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| 14:14.15 | jelly-home | ddalton: ubuntu is different in that way. |
| 14:14.16 | ddalton | i have broadcom wireless will that likely cause me griefe 64 bit? also what about adobe for firefox etc. |
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| 14:14.26 | _ramok | hey there |
| 14:14.30 | wols | jelly-home: so the nvidia-dkms package automatically compiles itself for 64bit when you got it from a 32bit repo? |
| 14:14.36 | jelly-home | wols: yes. |
| 14:14.42 | _ramok | how can i update just one package, like the spamassasin package for example? |
| 14:14.47 | wols | ddalton: which broadcom exactly? |
| 14:14.50 | _ramok | is it just aptitute update spamassasin? |
| 14:15.05 | jelly-home | _ramok: it's "aptitude install spamassasin". |
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| 14:15.05 | wols | _ramok: aptitude install spamassassin |
| 14:15.18 | _ramok | it's already installed |
| 14:15.19 | ddalton | Do you recommend a 32 bit install +64 bit kernel then? |
| 14:15.24 | _ramok | i just want to update the spamdefinitions |
| 14:15.32 | _ramok | still "install" ? |
| 14:15.50 | wols | _ramok: only doable if there is a newer version in repos |
| 14:15.55 | dvs | _ramok: you need squeeze-update |
| 14:15.57 | wols | which probably won't if you run debian stable |
| 14:16.12 | _ramok | i run squeeze |
| 14:16.15 | ddalton | wols: 09:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 14:16.30 | jelly-home | ddalton: this is a bit of a personal preference teritory |
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| 14:16.46 | pmo_ | moving from 32bits to 64bits is not an easy task, the easiest way is to install 64 from scratch |
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| 14:17.09 | wols | !tell ddalton about wl |
| 14:17.15 | wols | so amd64 is supported |
| 14:17.27 | ddalton | hmm, but if i move to 64 bit don't wanna waste time trying to fix stuff... is there a noticeable improvement with respect to performance in 64 bit? |
| 14:17.40 | jelly-home | ddalton: I prefer this options because I get latest 32bit chrome beta and latest flash; there has also been other out-of-Debian software that works better in 32bit. Oracle Java plugins. |
| 14:18.11 | pmo_ | ddalton, especially with ssh / ssl, all what is doing cryptography.. encoding.. |
| 14:18.13 | jelly-home | ddalton: any performance differences won't be noticeable on a workstation |
| 14:18.27 | pmo_ | ddalton, gzip and more |
| 14:18.35 | jelly-home | hah, gzip |
| 14:18.43 | wols | pmo_: gzip is totally i/o bound |
| 14:18.49 | wols | you won't notice a thing |
| 14:19.14 | jelly-home | pmo_: really, have you measured gzip? single threaded or pigz? |
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| 14:19.55 | pmo_ | jelly-home, i use pigz.. but haven't measured gzip before and after upgrade.. |
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| 14:20.25 | jelly-home | how do you know it works noticeably better |
| 14:20.39 | ddalton | and what programs will i have difficulty accessing on a 64 bit machine? |
| 14:20.51 | pmo_ | on some case 64bits will improve performance, while making exe a bit bigger.. that's the deal |
| 14:21.20 | jelly-home | and in some cases it will reduce perfomance because of cache pressure |
| 14:21.26 | pmo_ | ddalton, 32 to 64 don't work.. while 64 to 32 works.. especially when you have virtual machine in mind |
| 14:21.30 | wols | ddalton: to sum it up: proprietary software |
| 14:22.06 | dvs | ddalton: moving to 64bit is not trivial. You will be fixing nontrivial stuff. |
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| 14:24.55 | jelly-home | <pmo_> ddalton, 32 to 64 don't work.. # ? |
| 14:25.14 | pmo_ | you can move to 64bits and run a 32bits virtual machine, but not the opposite |
| 14:25.28 | pmo_ | afaik |
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| 14:25.54 | jelly-home | let's disconnect kernel from userspace. What you're describing is a kernel and VM solution limitation. |
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| 14:26.31 | jelly-home | I have right here a 32bit Debian wheezy with an -amd64 kernel, and can run whatever in KVM. |
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| 14:27.51 | jelly-home | there's a 64bit Fedora and a 64bit kfreebsd-amd64 Debian on it |
| 14:27.56 | jelly-home | as VMs |
| 14:28.10 | wols | virtualbox can usually run 64bit guests too |
| 14:28.24 | pmo_ | jelly-home, but your kernel is 64 not 32.. that's what i mean |
| 14:29.31 | jelly-home | indeed |
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| 14:29.51 | jelly-home | the kernel can be easily exchanged |
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| 14:30.01 | jelly-home | Debian is still 32bit |
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| 14:30.43 | jelly-home | while here you're talking about userspace: <pmo_> on some case 64bits will improve performance, while making exe a bit bigger.. that's the deal |
| 14:30.50 | jelly-home | different things |
| 14:31.21 | ddalton | so does this mean i may have trouble with say adobe flash player on 64 bit? |
| 14:31.27 | pmo_ | yes,but in some case there is massive improvement using 64bits |
| 14:31.41 | Wooz | Hey. Is there a way of seeing in what order runlevel utilities are loaded? |
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| 14:32.49 | jelly-home | ddalton: in my experience, the 64bit adobe flash build is more crashy |
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| 14:33.44 | jelly-home | last time I tried it in 2011, went back to 32bit after two weeks |
| 14:33.48 | pmo_ | Wooz, ls /etc/rc* |
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| 14:35.11 | Wooz | Because right now, Starting crond [OK] Starting atd [OK] Starting certmonger [OK] and then booting just stops?! |
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| 14:35.32 | pmo_ | jelly-home, what forced you to go back to 32 ? only adobe ? |
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| 14:35.40 | abrotman | BeryCZ: that stinks |
| 14:35.44 | ddalton | jelly-home: you can run the 32 bit binary under 64 it environment though? |
| 14:36.05 | jelly-home | ddalton: setting that up is more trouble than it's worth |
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| 14:36.55 | ddalton | jelly-home: so maybe stick to 32 bit then? |
| 14:37.03 | jelly-home | pmo_: pretty much, I can't be bothered wasting time on 64bit when I already have a system that works well enough |
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| 14:37.18 | jelly-home | ddalton: that's exactly my suggestion |
| 14:37.19 | BeryCZ | abrotman: :) im glad wired works at least... now im trying to use bumblebee... |
| 14:37.21 | Wooz | how much ram you have jelly-home? |
| 14:37.26 | jelly-home | Wooz: 8GB |
| 14:37.27 | ddalton | my thought preciesely, but i thouht if there was some significant gain maybe I'd give it a go. |
| 14:37.39 | wols | good thing then adobe soon will remove that problem for you by retiring flash :) |
| 14:37.40 | ddalton | precisely* thouthought* |
| 14:37.43 | ddalton | thought* |
| 14:37.45 | Wooz | hmm with PAE i think you can access the 8GB? |
| 14:37.50 | wols | ok, still a few years to go, but we will get there |
| 14:37.56 | wols | Wooz: PAE is awful |
| 14:38.07 | abrotman | BeryCZ: oh, you're on your own there .. i buy laptops with intel video for a good reason |
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| 14:38.19 | jelly-home | Wooz: you can do it with a 64bit kernel as well; what's your point |
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| 14:38.27 | Wooz | wols: yes it is hackery but it works good enough for desktop usage |
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| 14:38.41 | pmo_ | ddalton, i understand that point, i started to bother myself with 64bits, when i figured out, i could get real benefits moving to 64bits..ddalton, but that's something you have to figure out yourself.. i suppose, since moving from 32 and 64 is not a click and go task |
| 14:38.41 | Wooz | I think, 64 is only useful when a single application needs more than 4gb |
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| 14:38.54 | Wooz | For desktop usage, this is almost never the case so 32bit is enough |
| 14:39.17 | jelly-home | Wooz: and that's why I still have a 32bit userspace. |
| 14:39.24 | Wooz | Also, all my pc's are 32 bits so i dont have a choice |
| 14:39.34 | Wooz | hmm maybe if there's 8 or 16 bit linux, then there is |
| 14:39.38 | ddalton | yes.. thanks, uys. I have a bit to consider, thanks for the insights. geting late here, so I must go.. thanks. |
| 14:39.43 | ddalton | getting* |
| 14:39.51 | jelly-home | Wooz: you're rambling again |
| 14:40.06 | Wooz | ja i know. |
| 14:40.25 | jelly-home | don't |
| 14:40.37 | BeryCZ | abrotman: but i still have one problem, what anybody (maybe you) could help me with :) during the tries something brokes and now i cant run gnome shell :-/ |
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| 14:41.05 | Wooz | Sorry.. sometimes I cant help it. Anyways: my box has this issue that it does not boot beyond "Starting certmonger : [ OK ]". It has been there for nearly 10minutes and no signs of progress |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | BeryCZ: make sure your system is fully up to date |
| 14:42.39 | pmo_ | Wooz, send it a break if you can ? |
| 14:42.51 | jelly-home | Wooz: which debian release is on it. What happens if you press Ctrl-C |
| 14:42.58 | Wooz | no text input seems to help |
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| 14:43.14 | Wooz | only ctrl+alt + f2 to 12 does something |
| 14:43.23 | attilahooper | I'm looking at building a home nas/server. Does anyone here use btrfs ? My objective: to protect important data. |
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| 14:43.46 | jelly-home | Ctrl-C is not text input. |
| 14:43.55 | dvs | attilahooper: You can't with btrfs because it isn't mature yet. |
| 14:43.57 | Wooz | well that doesnt work either |
| 14:44.08 | attilahooper | k, dvs |
| 14:44.13 | dvs | np |
| 14:44.14 | attilahooper | bad idea right ? |
| 14:44.15 | pmo_ | attilahooper, as far as i remember btrfs is still considered experimental on kernel ? somebody can confirm ? |
| 14:44.16 | wols | attilahooper: look at freenas and zfs with raidz for example |
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| 14:44.42 | attilahooper | yes, familiar w both |
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| 14:44.56 | maodogo | Does Debian´s kernel has path for fix overheating |
| 14:45.00 | jelly-home | Wooz: switch back to first virtual console, press Alt-SysRq-k |
| 14:45.02 | wols | PhoenixSTF: it very much is |
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| 14:45.11 | wols | maodogo: what overheats and why? |
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| 14:45.25 | attilahooper | kinda wanted the freedom of a linux distro like debian, cause I;'m familiar w it |
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| 14:45.38 | pmo_ | attilahooper, still experimental (btrfs) as of 3.7 |
| 14:45.45 | attilahooper | gotcha |
| 14:45.52 | attilahooper | thx pmo |
| 14:45.54 | Wooz | jelly-home: you mean the key combination to logout? Just did that and didnt seem to work...pff |
| 14:46.03 | maodogo | wols: laptop overheating, calls "Kernel power regresion" |
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| 14:46.36 | maodogo | It is fixed in Ubuntu and all of those distros but i want to use squeeze |
| 14:46.53 | jelly-home | Wooz: that's not a combination to logout... it's supposed to kill all the processes running on the current vc (virtual console) |
| 14:47.09 | mimorek | I can't see a small portion from the right side of the screen! |
| 14:47.14 | jelly-home | Wooz: which debian release is this? |
| 14:47.20 | Wooz | 6 |
| 14:47.55 | wols | maodogo: if that PCIe link problem causes overheating to your laptop you have bigger problems than a kernel bug |
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| 14:48.20 | Wooz | Perhaps I should go away from testing. Is "unstable" less or more stable? |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | 6 isn't testing ? |
| 14:48.29 | jelly-home | Wooz: I'm not sure how Sysrq-K can fail. |
| 14:48.32 | rozie | Wooz: less stable |
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| 14:49.12 | jelly-home | Wooz: does Alt-Sysrq-H show a help message? |
| 14:49.12 | rozie | but it's pretty stable. I use is on desktop sicne 9 months without major problems |
| 14:49.22 | BeryCZ | abrotman: now it is and still the same problem... runs gnome classic instead of shell :-/ |
| 14:49.36 | Walex2 | Wooz: if you know near perfectly how packaging works and the "testing" vs. "unstable" policies you can use them, but then you should not ask questiojns about that |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | BeryCZ: oh, because you're messing with bumblebee probably |
| 14:49.47 | Wooz | it doesnt seem to have any effect.. |
| 14:49.57 | Wooz | Not the -H . neither K |
| 14:50.10 | BeryCZ | it happend before bumbleblee... and bumbleblee seems not working :) |
| 14:50.15 | BeryCZ | abrotman: ^ |
| 14:50.37 | jelly-home | Wooz: they you're not pressing it correctly |
| 14:50.40 | jelly-home | then* |
| 14:50.41 | BeryCZ | abrotman: oh and i cant logout, it freezes on a blue screen :-/ |
| 14:50.44 | wols | Wooz: usually, unstable breaks a lot more often but the breakings are minor and easily fixed if you know how. testing breaks less but the breakages then are bigger |
| 14:50.54 | Wooz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
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| 14:51.06 | Wooz | I tried all that combinations, shutdown, reboot etc. nothing seems to work |
| 14:51.15 | maodogo | wols: i mean, in Ubuntu it works fine, but i dot know if do same in Squeeze, do i need something speciall for use with an intel i5 core |
| 14:51.24 | jelly-home | Wooz: press Alt, keep holding, press PrintScreen, keep holding, then press H |
| 14:51.25 | pmo_ | Wooz, can you try login from another computer ? |
| 14:51.29 | pmo_ | Wooz, or ping |
| 14:51.34 | maodogo | wols: im searching in google but dont fing nothing useful |
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| 14:51.52 | Wooz | I can swith with alt+ctrl+f2, there I am logged in right now. |
| 14:51.58 | jelly-home | Wooz: is this a laptop keyboard where you need Fn to reach sysrq function? |
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| 14:52.11 | Wooz | It is laptop, one moment i see if i can do that |
| 14:52.43 | jelly-home | figure out how your keyboard works, then |
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| 14:53.46 | abrotman | BeryCZ: gnome-shell used to work ? |
| 14:53.53 | Wooz | one moment, I'll reboot to centos. |
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| 14:54.59 | BeryCZ | abrotman: yep, but then during to fixin wired/wireless it said smth it couldnt be loaded and opened classic instead |
| 14:55.08 | abrotman | BeryCZ: look in Xorg.0.log and see what driver is loaded |
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| 14:55.42 | Wooz | Yeah, even during boot of centos. Alt+shift+Printscreen + K |
| 14:55.57 | Wooz | I get: SAK: Killed process 1 (swapper) opened to tty. So there's nothing wrong with my keyboard |
| 14:56.16 | jelly-home | but you had to shift as well |
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| 14:56.53 | Wooz | Lets see |
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| 14:58.03 | BeryCZ | abrotman: paste.debian.net/216587 :) |
| 14:58.03 | Wooz | While it has not arrived the state after loading Certmonger, I can do those SysRq commands no problem. After it reached loading that, nothing will happen |
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| 14:58.57 | pmo_ | Wooz, maybe you can boot / on recovery / singleuser mode ..and disable certmonger to see what happens ? |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | BeryCZ: is the 'xorg' package installed? |
| 14:59.21 | jelly-home | it's not certmonger but something after or parallel to that that's causing issues |
| 14:59.35 | jelly-home | Wooz: read "/msg dpkg bootlogd" |
| 14:59.53 | pmo_ | Wooz, well should be the init script after certmonger which lead to trouble i suppose :-/ |
| 15:00.18 | BeryCZ | abrotman: xorg 1:7.7+1 (by synaptic) is installed |
| 15:00.20 | pmo_ | jelly-home, sorry was thinking ;-) :) thanks for pointing it before me ;-) :) |
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| 15:00.35 | abrotman | BeryCZ: it looks like it's using the vesa driver .. do you have an xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:02.58 | BeryCZ | abrotman: it should be in /etc/X11 ? if yep, then i dont have it |
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| 15:04.02 | abrotman | BeryCZ: well, that's fun .. |
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| 15:05.53 | Wooz | bootlog shows nothing weird: Starting certmonger ... [OK] |
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| 15:07.06 | Wooz | "chkconfig certmonger off" , rebooting now. |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i wonder if during all your messing with your drivers, you overwrote an important driver |
| 15:08.35 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i installed all compat-wirelles (cos one guy in #linux-wireless said me that) |
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| 15:08.47 | BeryCZ | abrotman: so could be possible :) |
| 15:09.43 | Wooz | Yes, it must be the thing running AFTER certmonger because now, booting has halted at ATD.... |
| 15:10.52 | Wooz | pmo_ how to see what init script is after certmonger? |
| 15:11.22 | pmo_ | Wooz, ls /etc/rc* in numerical order |
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| 15:12.21 | Wooz | livesys-late |
| 15:12.41 | Wooz | doing chkconfig livesys-late off, rebooting now |
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| 15:12.54 | BeryCZ | abrotman: so what should i do, reinstall all debian or is there a way to do smth? |
| 15:13.00 | abrotman | BeryCZ: right, no idea what that would have overwritten .. |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | BeryCZ: you could try to reinstall the kernel package |
| 15:15.12 | pmo_ | BeryCZ, dpkg -i --force-remove-reinstreq <whatever_package_put_you_in_trouble> |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:15.35 | abrotman | pmo_: how is that going to help? do you even know what the problem is? |
| 15:15.51 | pmo_ | abrotman, no, just saw the man was in trouble |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | pmo_: so, you're not helping at all, not even close, not even in the ballpark |
| 15:16.45 | pmo_ | abrotman, was difficult to get all being said.. |
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| 15:16.59 | pmo_ | abrotman, i am not helping full point, no need to go further |
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| 15:17.20 | abrotman | would think he'd be running Virgin, not on IRC |
| 15:17.28 | Wooz | it still doesnt boot. In ls /etc/rc* the next in order is "local" and i cannot seem to turn this off? |
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| 15:18.36 | BeryCZ | abrotman: kernel-package ? its not installed... and i dont understand, how it could help..? |
| 15:18.41 | pmo_ | Wooz, hmm.. local.. is where you have all your "local changes .. something wrong, badly writtent in this, i suppose |
| 15:19.05 | Wooz | pmo_ where is this local located? |
| 15:19.12 | pmo_ | Wooz, you could try put an "exit 0" on first line :) |
| 15:19.41 | pmo_ | Wooz, i supposed you where talking of /etc/rc.local, but i am maybe wrong (again) .. |
| 15:19.57 | pmo_ | Wooz, you were talking of locales or is it rc.local ? |
| 15:20.06 | Wooz | its just called "local" |
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| 15:20.47 | pmo_ | Wooz, you may have something wrong in /etc/rc.local .. |
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| 15:21.21 | Wooz | "touch /var/lock/subsys/local" |
| 15:21.28 | Wooz | ill place "exit 0" above it |
| 15:21.34 | pmo_ | Wooz, no |
| 15:22.05 | pmo_ | Wooz, /var/lock is something else.. it helps prevent run 2 process.. |
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| 15:22.05 | abrotman | BeryCZ: what is uname -r ? |
| 15:22.30 | BeryCZ | abrotman: 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:22.43 | pmo_ | Wooz, don't you have a /etc/rc.local file ? and /etc/rc*.d/rc.local doesnt make call to /etc/rc.local ? |
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| 15:23.18 | abrotman | BeryCZ: aptitude reinstall linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:23.26 | Wooz | my /etc/rc.local exists, and contains "touch /var/lock/subsys/local" |
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| 15:23.38 | abrotman | BeryCZ: also, reinstall any firmware packages you had installed previously |
| 15:24.23 | Wooz | there is no /etc/rc*.d/rc.local though only /etc/rc*d./S99local |
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| 15:24.47 | abrotman | pmo_: do you have any idea what you're talking about? |
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| 15:25.32 | pmo_ | abrotman, if you have any idea, just keep going, |
| 15:25.46 | Wooz | my /etc/rc.local had one empty line though between the comments and "touch [..]". all my other S99 files do not have tjhis. I removed this line, rebooting now and seeing if it resolves anything |
| 15:25.54 | abrotman | pmo_: i was asking about you |
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| 15:26.26 | Wooz | He's trying to help me.. It's much appreciated for his time, even if its not 100% accurate |
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| 15:27.07 | pmo_ | Wooz, i would have put a # as first character of the line.. to put it in comment and see if that helps |
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| 15:27.49 | pmo_ | abrotman, i don't know what you are about, i am not asking for help afaik. |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | Wooz: it's not even close to accurate |
| 15:28.26 | Wooz | Please help us out then abrotman: here's the situation. During booting sequence all goes good until AFTER the line "Starting certmonger: [ OK ]" |
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| 15:29.29 | abrotman | BeryCZ: did you get that reinstalled? |
| 15:29.36 | wols | if it's that line, why do you go about "local" then? |
| 15:29.37 | Wooz | If I remove certmonger from booting, it will halt AFTER Starting atd [OK]. So clearly something loading after certmonger is messing it up. We try to find this but not successfull sadly so far. |
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| 15:30.27 | wols | Wooz: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*cert* |
| 15:31.22 | Wooz | lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 20 Dec 16 15:09 /etc/rc2.d/S99certmonger -> ../init.d/certmonger |
| 15:31.30 | BeryCZ | abrotman: after reinstalling still the same :( |
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| 15:32.07 | wols | Wooz: what other S99* files are in rc2.d? |
| 15:32.15 | Wooz | S99local |
| 15:32.40 | pmo_ | Wooz, 99 means last.. S for start but 2.. for multiuser i think.. then you'd have to go 6 or others.. like graphic card / Xorg |
| 15:32.40 | wols | then that's most likely the culprit. what did you put in there? |
| 15:32.44 | grobda24 | Hi. Do I need the AMD64 Debian install CD for a Intel Q6600 ? |
| 15:32.45 | wols | or in rc.local? |
| 15:32.56 | wols | pmo_: your thinking is wrong. again |
| 15:33.04 | dvs | grobda24: you don't need it but it is prefered |
| 15:33.11 | wols | grobda24: if you want a 64bit system, yes |
| 15:33.18 | pmo_ | Wooz, 2-5.. |
| 15:33.21 | wols | grobda24: either i386 or amd64 |
| 15:33.27 | pmo_ | Wooz, next step is rc3.d |
| 15:33.32 | wols | pmo_: please stop |
| 15:33.35 | wols | Wooz: ignore him |
| 15:33.41 | Wooz | pff.. |
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| 15:34.10 | pmo_ | Wooz, do you want me to stop ? |
| 15:34.29 | Wooz | im confused |
| 15:34.38 | pmo_ | Wooz, i understand.. |
| 15:34.43 | Wooz | 2 people tell me 2 different things an i dont know which one to listen to :( |
| 15:35.03 | Wooz | in S99local there is: "touch /var/lock/subsys/local" |
| 15:35.24 | Wooz | what i do in rc3.d? |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | BeryCZ: have you done much to the system? |
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| 15:35.38 | Wooz | meh... nevermind all this, i'll juist clean install everyting |
| 15:35.49 | wols | Wooz: bad idea |
| 15:36.05 | pmo_ | Wooz, afaik after rc2.d system should run what's in rc3.d till rc5.d (depends on inittab) |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | BeryCZ: you could also try to reinstall the intel xorg driver |
| 15:36.16 | wols | pmo_: and for you, better run "runlevel" to know what runlevel is used, no matter if booting to X or whatever |
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| 15:36.27 | abrotman | pmo_: please stop, this is just sad |
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| 15:36.34 | themill | pmo_: Sorry, but the misinformation is just too much |
| 15:36.45 | Wooz | its wasting all our times and, making unnessesary emotions. i dont want to continue with this |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | it's almost like pmo_ has never used linux |
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| 15:37.10 | themill | Wooz: just follow what abrotman or wols are saying. |
| 15:38.13 | wols | I was just advised from a good source that Wooz can't be trusted either.e.g. he gives false information. or has any of you ever heard of a S99local vs. a S99rc.local or that strange touch command to a strange file |
| 15:38.27 | wols | as we all know debian doesn't even put anything in rc.local. only a user or admin does |
| 15:39.11 | Wooz | huh I can't be trusted either? why is that |
| 15:39.20 | wols | see above why |
| 15:39.23 | Wooz | oh probably that ikonia guy then, please ignore hm |
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| 15:39.44 | abrotman | why? we know more about him than you |
| 15:39.48 | BeryCZ | abrotman: i did "update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`", but i guess it didnt do anything with this... intel xorg driver reinstalled, let me check |
| 15:40.06 | wols | Wooz: ikonia is trusted on freenode and fairly well know. you: not so much |
| 15:40.14 | wols | *known |
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| 15:40.45 | Wooz | I don't need to know all of you. I just mentioned there was something wrong with my box, and you volunteered to help me with this. I don't see how "trust" has to do anything with this. |
| 15:40.47 | grobda24 | wols: yes, I need 64. Just found the historical thing about why its called AMD. Maybe someone should consider a rename ? |
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| 15:41.41 | abrotman | i did no such thing |
| 15:41.46 | wols | grobda24: no one will. then the AMD users will complain. rightly so |
| 15:42.00 | BeryCZ | abrotman: nothing :( time to reinstall all debian |
| 15:42.03 | Wooz | Secondly, there is no "S99rc.local" on my box. Only "rc.local" in /etc |
| 15:42.05 | abrotman | grobda24: AMD is the one that developed the technology |
| 15:42.13 | abrotman | BeryCZ: have you done much to the box, or still just setup? |
| 15:42.41 | abrotman | BeryCZ: i'm trying to decide if it's worth trying to fix? or just say the heck with it |
| 15:42.49 | grobda24 | abrotman, wols: well the reasoning goes differently for me. I have an Intel CPU not an AMD one so naturally I avoid the AMD named download. |
| 15:43.03 | sney | they aren't going to change the architecture name just because a minority of users get confused and think they need IA64. the vast majority of users figure it out just fine, even if they just google before clicking |
| 15:43.08 | grobda24 | How was I supposed to know about some obscure historical thing about AMD/Intel/64 ? |
| 15:43.10 | BeryCZ | abrotman: not much, just setup... internet didnt work, so i couldnt do much things with it |
| 15:43.10 | wols | grobda24: and the AMD users should avoid "i386" download? please think |
| 15:43.22 | abrotman | grobda24: did you complain when you were using the "i386" version on your Athlon CPU? |
| 15:43.24 | grobda24 | All pretty minor really but just annoying and just wasted 2 CD's |
| 15:43.35 | Wooz | make boot from usb |
| 15:43.39 | sney | grobda24: well, if you feel strongly about it, file a wishlist bug. |
| 15:43.46 | abrotman | grobda24: a) use CDRW b) use a usb stick :) |
| 15:43.53 | themill | there is no way the architecture is going to be renamed |
| 15:43.59 | sney | c) google before you download hundreds of megabytes |
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| 15:44.10 | abrotman | or read the debian.org/ports/ |
| 15:44.11 | sney | themill: aye, but the response to the wishlist bug might be kinda funny |
| 15:44.12 | wols | or read the docs |
| 15:44.29 | themill | sney: the pages that link to it call it "64 bit PC" |
| 15:44.34 | wols | sney: DDs don't react to people like you. you cause them work |
| 15:45.03 | MrSoll | Wooz: it depends on the installation if I'm not mistaken, but rc.local is a very stupid idea on SysV system (systemd in the near future) |
| 15:45.14 | sney | I will refrain from becoming more offtopic and actually addressing that, wols, but I'll just say this: there is precedent. |
| 15:45.40 | grobda24 | wols: think ? I was the one that encountered a problem here through no fault of my own. |
| 15:45.43 | wols | sney: of DDs smiting the sinners like you? I hope so :P |
| 15:45.48 | grobda24 | Yes, I'll file a wishlist thing :) |
| 15:46.08 | sney | like me? I'm not the guy who's whining about this. |
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| 15:46.39 | sney | and besides, an official response from the DDs, hosted on debian.org, would be a simple thing to link and avoid this conversation in the future |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | sney: they had an official response years ago |
| 15:48.04 | sney | then someone is failing to paste a link rather than argue with the latest person to accidentally download itanium. |
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| 15:48.30 | themill | look at how the links are already labelled: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | or he failed to read? |
| 15:48.50 | themill | (and the bloody big banned on the front page that gives you the multiarch installer) |
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| 15:50.28 | Devastator | s/banned/banner?! |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:51.26 | Devastator | this discussion is so old, doesn't people got used to amd64 already? |
| 15:51.55 | wols | Devastator: remember the PT Barnum saying... |
| 15:52.49 | sney | the odd thing about it is that people *do* know that amd and intel 64-bit x86 cpus are the same architecture. You don't need have 2 different versions of windows, for instance. But then they see amd64 and ia64 and that knowledge just runs away |
| 15:53.01 | Devastator | I think the installer should test the user before letting him install linux with a quiz |
| 15:53.23 | Devastator | right, linux follows what crappy windows do |
| 15:53.36 | wols | doesn't help: they complain about having downloaded the wrong (ia64) installer still |
| 15:53.42 | sney | that's not even remotely related to what I said, Devastator |
| 15:53.46 | wols | one would need the quiz on the website |
| 15:54.02 | themill | thinks we've been around this block enough times now |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | sney: see this where? it's stated in multiple places ia64 is not for x86_64 Intel CPUs |
| 15:54.11 | Devastator | shushs |
| 15:54.14 | Wooz | So wols, there still any "help" from your side? |
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| 15:54.28 | Bertrand | re tt le monde |
| 15:54.32 | Wooz | First saying pmo_ is "wrong" and then not explaining any further? |
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| 15:55.21 | sney | abrotman: but nowhere if you go to debian.org, click on "CD ISO images", then click on the http/ftp download. since people generally know they want an iso to install a free operating system, /distrib/ is passed by completely |
| 15:55.47 | Wooz | need to go now, take care all |
| 15:56.03 | Devastator | I still think the quiz is a good idea, on the website and the installer! |
| 15:56.08 | sney | network install is likewise devoid of any mention of it. now, for me, when I am unsure about something I look it up, and I would hope most other people do as well |
| 15:56.10 | themill | sney: yeah, or people go directly to cdimage mirrors and then see 52 CDs with no documentation and scream ... but there's no way of preventing that |
| 15:56.20 | sney | but I know that there's a minority of people who won't |
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| 15:57.18 | abrotman | Wooz: do NOT msg me |
| 15:57.18 | Devastator | themill those are the people that thinks they are too smart to read and go "straight to the point", then come here to complain, etc etc |
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| 15:57.53 | sney | I think the scenario I just described is probably the most common |
| 15:57.58 | abrotman | sney: this would all be solved by intel buying back all ia64 hardware :) |
| 15:58.33 | sney | buy it all back and lock it away where nobody has to look at it again? |
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| 16:04.49 | seeker61 | my squeeze box used to do auto updates it does not now where is the setting to get it back that way |
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| 16:08.45 | wols | seeker61: cron-apt ? |
| 16:09.11 | seeker61 | ok thanks wols |
| 16:09.35 | seeker61 | does sound juicer restart music selections after last song? |
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| 16:11.40 | abrotman | it's probably the unattended-upgrades |
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| 16:25.32 | n0c | hi, does this mean that my request was not processed? i want to stop timidity from starting: |
| 16:25.35 | n0c | root@pulsar:/etc/default# update-rc.d -f timidity remove |
| 16:25.38 | n0c | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 16:27.20 | attilahooper | any opinions re: zfs native bsd vs fuse ? talking about my home nas storage box again |
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| 16:33.17 | engla | native is that zfsonlinux? |
| 16:33.31 | wols | attilahooper: if you patch your kernel yourself you can get native ZFS in linux too |
| 16:33.41 | attilahooper | my understanding openbsd or freebsd has zfs native |
| 16:33.44 | wols | engla: no, the BSD kernel which has ZFS |
| 16:33.58 | engla | k |
| 16:34.15 | attilahooper | if i patched a linux kernal I'd probably f it up next kernal update :) |
| 16:34.17 | engla | you can compile zfsonlinux as a dkms module |
| 16:34.40 | attilahooper | i'm just more comfortable w debian, but encouraged to run a bsd box |
| 16:36.04 | wols | debian with bsd kernel then |
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| 16:36.26 | n0c | kfreebsd or whatever |
| 16:37.14 | attilahooper | i have no problem expanding my knowledge of bsd. just skeered wont have the support resource in case I f something up |
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| 16:48.28 | invariant | How do I run just one cronjob in a file foo? |
| 16:49.42 | tech_ | attilahooper: I'd say just try BSD in a VM. You can experiment as much as you'd like without worrying about screwing things up beyond all repair |
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| 16:52.18 | furryhead | Okay, i got a question.... does debian have a bootfloppy to get a netinst going? |
| 16:52.24 | furryhead | Or multiple floppies? |
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| 16:52.33 | abrotman | furryhead: not for squeeze |
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| 16:53.06 | furryhead | So I'd have to use something like tomsrtbt and debootstrap it? |
| 16:53.08 | abrotman | furryhead: you'd have to use an older version, then dist-upgrade to get to squeeze |
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| 16:53.20 | abrotman | no idea what tomsrtbt is |
| 16:53.22 | furryhead | Ooh. |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | but, I believe etch had boot floppies |
| 16:53.36 | furryhead | abrotman: minimal linux distro. Fits on one floppy |
| 16:53.38 | wols | abrotman: a linux boot disk to reset windows passwords |
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| 16:55.05 | furryhead | Just understand my situation: laptop, without a cdrw... i dont have a usb key unless you wanna count my phone... and theres no builtin ether port |
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| 16:55.57 | furryhead | Hmmm |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | furryhead: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-4.0/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 16:56.41 | furryhead | Is it possible to like, take a sdcard, backup the mbr before using syslinux, use it fr booting, and restore the cards mbr? |
| 16:56.45 | furryhead | Ooooh thanks :) |
| 16:56.59 | abrotman | furryhead: you should find the etch installation manual |
| 16:57.19 | jelly-home | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:57.19 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 16:57.32 | Rienzilla | oh wauw :) |
| 16:57.36 | Rienzilla | install from floppy |
| 16:57.40 | Rienzilla | that's long ago :-) |
| 16:57.49 | furryhead | Lol |
| 16:58.08 | abrotman | furryhead: but if you don't have a builtin network device, you may need to go back further in time |
| 16:58.11 | sney | furryhead: can you boot from sd card? |
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| 16:58.32 | sney | because you can put an installer on a sd card. |
| 16:58.35 | cardpuncher | Hi, I wanted to translate some package descriptions but the e-mail address consistently refuses connections. What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:59.00 | sney | what email address? |
| 16:59.04 | furryhead | Sney: thas what i was just considering.... i have a bootcd letting me boot from usb devices.... jw would using syslinux on a sdcard fuck it for use on my android phone? |
| 16:59.29 | sney | no, it's just a fat filesystem. you'd lose the data on the sd card but you can just format it again |
| 16:59.44 | furryhead | abrotman: I've got a wifi card from a newer era, having used it with linux before.... |
| 17:00.10 | cardpuncher | sney: pdesc at ddtp.debian dot net, found on http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp |
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| 17:00.34 | furryhead | So backup the sdcard before i do it? Cuz i remember there was a way to get the installer on there without wiping it |
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| 17:00.54 | furryhead | Just idk if syslinux will make the card unreadabel on my phone ._. |
| 17:00.55 | amarius | !ciao |
| 17:00.55 | dpkg | somebody said ciao was both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | furryhead: but are the driveres free? |
| 17:00.58 | amarius | !list |
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| 17:01.11 | furryhead | abrotman: yeah, zd1211w |
| 17:01.17 | abrotman | and supported in etch? |
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| 17:01.35 | furryhead | Uhhhh, not totally sure. |
| 17:01.40 | johndoe | is it possible to disable system bell for everything except the terminal (so i can get irssi notifications; im using ssh+screen+irssi btw) |
| 17:01.47 | furryhead | How long ago was etch released :) |
| 17:01.58 | abrotman | 2007? maybe |
| 17:02.10 | furryhead | Yeah, its goot |
| 17:02.22 | furryhead | Good*.... the wifi card is older than that lol |
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| 17:03.37 | sney | furryhead: yes, back up your data before making changes to your data storage device. |
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| 17:04.36 | sney | cardpuncher: the web interface seems to work here. maybe send an email to the person listed at the top and see what's up? |
| 17:04.56 | cardpuncher | OK, will do that, thanks sney. |
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| 17:05.47 | furryhead | Thanks guys :) |
| 17:05.50 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 17:05.50 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 17:06.03 | abrotman | yay, i guessed correctly! |
| 17:06.08 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 17:06.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:06.18 | jelly-home | We're doomed. |
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| 17:08.14 | furryhead | Hmm |
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| 17:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be :) |
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| 17:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... and I thought from context of the last lines wheezy released and abrotman gave the correct date in the wossname |
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| 17:27.23 | Zeeflo | does any of you intelligent beings have knowledge about s3 aws storing and cloudfront streaming? If so, how do i prevent hotlinking or something similar as only allowing files to be streamed if called by a certain ip or www ? |
| 17:27.34 | Zeeflo | is it a bucket policy or something else? |
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| 17:27.44 | scientes | Zeeflo, that doesn't have anything to do with debian |
| 17:27.49 | Zeeflo | no |
| 17:28.03 | scientes | Zeeflo, but you could use openstack image hosting software |
| 17:28.06 | Zeeflo | people here just tend to know alot of sh*t about alot of sh*t |
| 17:28.08 | scientes | to set up something similar yourself |
| 17:28.18 | scientes | Zeeflo, go to #debian-offtopic then |
| 17:28.19 | Zeeflo | im hosting mp4 |
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| 17:28.26 | Zeeflo | got cha |
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| 17:29.30 | neon__ | gtk-gnash is using a lot of CPU % despite playing nothing right now. |
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| 17:32.15 | invariant | neon__, you should be more surprised when it is working. |
| 17:32.50 | Kobaz | so i'm having trouble with logrotate, i have an old log file from yesterday, i'm using rotate daily, and logrotate doesn't want to rotate... (considering log /var/log/foo.log log does not need rotating) |
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| 17:34.21 | neon__ | invariant, what do you mean? |
| 17:34.37 | invariant | neon__, gnash is low quality software. |
| 17:34.52 | invariant | neon__, you should not expect it to work. |
| 17:35.04 | invariant | neon__, you can report bugs, but it has been 5 years now? |
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| 17:37.35 | invariant | There is a library to read autocad files which has a similar status. |
| 17:38.08 | invariant | (abandoned would be the label that most people would attach to it) |
| 17:39.00 | Cyclohexane | Does anyone know if this would work in a desktop? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148142 |
| 17:39.09 | invariant | The FSF is very much a marketing machine. They wanted people to abandon Flash so they implemented it so bad that indeed people abandoned Flash. |
| 17:39.28 | invariant | Mission accomplished. |
| 17:39.58 | n0c | if i want to try sid before going back to squeeze from wheezy/testing, should my sources.list specify 'unstable' and not 'sid'? also, when i change back to 'squeeze', is the syntax still 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude full-upgrade', despite being somewhat counterintuitive language? |
| 17:39.59 | Arrowmaster | gnash is only implements an older version of flash |
| 17:40.03 | rryoumaa | invariant: doesn't that mean that people run proprietary instead? |
| 17:40.26 | invariant | rryoumaa, sure, in most cases. |
| 17:40.30 | rryoumaa | or does debian have a better flash? |
| 17:40.34 | abrotman | n0c: testing and unstable are mostly the same at this point |
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| 17:41.04 | n0c | ok, but so i know.... do i put sid or unstable |
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| 17:42.56 | scientes | there is also lightspark for flash emulation |
| 17:43.24 | scientes | but none of these things change the fact that flash is propritary and only runs on a few platforms, and is insecure invariant |
| 17:43.29 | scientes | unlike html5 |
| 17:44.02 | n0c | im going to have to just install ubuntu im afraid.. far too many suspend/wake issues and VC blankness to deal with for a daily driver on this netbook |
| 17:44.04 | scientes | (now fast javascript is only available on a few, larger set of than flash, cpu architectures: mips, armv5+, x86) |
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| 17:44.11 | abrotman | n0c: good luck! |
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| 17:50.41 | cardamon | Does debian put out a liveCD that might have some diagnostics like smartmontools on it? |
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| 17:50.58 | abrotman | live.debian.net |
| 17:51.00 | scientes | cardamon, it doesn't have any special tools besides a partitionier |
| 17:51.07 | scientes | but it exists ^ |
| 17:51.40 | nkuttler | cardamon: fwiw, you can easily build your own custom live cd |
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| 17:52.57 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 17:53.11 | Arrowmaster | i recommend trying grml as a recovery cd |
| 17:53.13 | themill | the debian live rescue image would be ideal for this |
| 17:53.14 | cardamon | nkuttler: I know. Just lazy. It's a rainy sunday and I'm doing someone a favor. |
| 17:53.54 | cardamon | Running HDD diagnostics on a Dell that hanks at Windows boot. I suspect just corrupted data. |
| 17:54.23 | \KsM | Can anyone show me how I'd set up acpi to do something like `modprobe -r psmouse` when the lid is closed (but only while the laptop is plugged in), and then to modprobe it back again once the lid is open |
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| 17:55.05 | \KsM | I have it set to not sleep when lid closed and on AC power |
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| 17:55.58 | gnathan87_ | hi. a little confused over the CD isos. I want to install debian with kde. Do I only need debian-6.0.6-i386-kde-CD-1.iso, or must I download both that and debian-6.0.6-i386-CD-1.iso? thanks |
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| 17:56.13 | wols | gnathan87_: only debian-6.0.6-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 17:56.22 | gnathan87_ | cool, thanks. |
| 17:56.38 | nkuttler | cardamon: might want to have a look at ultimate boot cd. comes with many vendor tools |
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| 17:59.41 | neon__ | Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 |
| 17:59.59 | neon__ | what's that? |
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| 18:00.51 | dcherniv | neon__, ejected CD maybe? |
| 18:01.07 | abrotman | sounds like a bad CD |
| 18:01.08 | neon__ | dcherniv, the cd is in |
| 18:01.15 | neon__ | mount is hanged |
| 18:01.22 | neon__ | D+ 19:57 0:00 mount /dev/sr0 |
| 18:01.36 | dcherniv | neon__, scratched cd then |
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| 18:02.02 | abrotman | paperclip time |
| 18:02.13 | dcherniv | neon__, try to put some liquid soap on it and wash it off with warm water, dont use cloths |
| 18:02.27 | neon__ | how to eject? |
| 18:02.37 | dcherniv | neon__, what abrotman said |
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| 18:02.42 | jesusemelendezm | Hi |
| 18:02.55 | dcherniv | neon__, there's a hole in the drive for a paperclip :) |
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| 18:03.13 | neon__ | dcherniv, r u serious? |
| 18:03.20 | neon__ | dcherniv, it come to this? |
| 18:03.30 | dcherniv | neon__, yes. |
| 18:03.51 | dcherniv | neon__, though running "eject" in terminal might work still |
| 18:04.40 | neon__ | o it worked :D |
| 18:04.50 | dcherniv | nice |
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| 18:05.53 | smile | neon__: great! :D |
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| 18:11.21 | gnathan87_ | wols: sorry, could you explain the difference between the two isos? |
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| 18:14.08 | nmschulte | Does anyone have use Cox as their ISP? |
| 18:14.38 | abrotman | why? |
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| 18:15.39 | neon__ | is it possible to recover the bad CD? cleaning it didn't help |
| 18:16.06 | xand | neon__: try it in another drive. |
| 18:17.58 | wols | gnathan87_: one installs gnome as default DE, the kde one installs kde |
| 18:18.41 | wols | gnathan87_: buy you can always not install any (in tasksel no "desktop environment") and later install none or whatever you want. you can install all of them at once if you want to |
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| 18:21.36 | yhsdu | sometimes, notes I take with xfce4-notes are lost. |
| 18:22.35 | yhsdu | please burn that tool |
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| 18:27.08 | CyberGabber | #join #ubuntu |
| 18:27.13 | xand | no. |
| 18:28.24 | nmschulte | abrotman: They're injecting JavaScript alerts into insecure connections. |
| 18:28.45 | jelly-home | nmschulte: sounds fun |
| 18:28.53 | nmschulte | At least here locally. I was wondering if anyone else noticed the issue. |
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| 18:38.30 | CBITS-TECH | is it possible for iptables to be blocking ipv6 on a port that it allows ipv4? |
| 18:39.03 | Dagger2 | the v4 and v6 firewalls are completely separate |
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| 18:39.21 | Dagger2 | (the v4 one is configured with iptables, and the v6 one is configured with ip6tables) |
| 18:40.08 | CBITS-TECH | hmm.. i had a user that could connect to ipv6 but after updating my regular firewall script and reloading he could no longer connect ipv6 only ipv4 |
| 18:40.13 | CBITS-TECH | I hope I am making sense.. |
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| 18:41.08 | Dagger2 | well, check `ip6tables -vnL` and see if it says he should be able to connect |
| 18:41.15 | Dagger2 | or `ip6tables -S` might be better |
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| 18:41.54 | CBITS-TECH | input, forward, outbound all accept |
| 18:42.45 | CBITS-TECH | so that isn't the problem then... |
| 18:42.51 | CBITS-TECH | time to dig deeper lol |
| 18:42.54 | CBITS-TECH | thanks |
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| 19:02.09 | nino | hard to find in docu, debina installer use lvm2 over crypto or crypto over lvm? |
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| 19:02.33 | allexmb | whats the cmd to install deb to a subtree on the fs |
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| 19:03.38 | somiaj | allexmb: man dpkg, there is an option there. Though any reason you aren't chrooting into the subtree and installing within the chroot? |
| 19:03.38 | infernix | does anyone know what the proper way is of building i386 packages on an amd64 system in this day and age of multiarch? |
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| 19:04.16 | infernix | for instance, building wine requires me to build packages for both arches, but I can't install all the i386 dependencies without breaking the amd64 isntall |
| 19:04.27 | infernix | is it done in chroots? |
| 19:04.34 | somiaj | infernix: I build them in a 32bit chroot. The issue is -dev packages can be either amd64 or i386 and not both. So it is easier to build a 32bit build envorment |
| 19:04.39 | allexmb | i got a too big system to copy |
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| 19:04.53 | jelly-home | infernix: yeah, go with chroots for the time being. pbuilder is your friend |
| 19:05.06 | n0c | i need to learn how to use chroot envs |
| 19:05.08 | somiaj | infernix: there are tools like pbuilder to creat such things. I create mine manually with debootstrap |
| 19:05.13 | n0c | not difficult i think |
| 19:05.25 | allexmb | i mean somiaj i whole debian system, not just a .deb |
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| 19:05.43 | somiaj | allexmb: oh so you want debootstrap |
| 19:05.48 | allexmb | yes |
| 19:05.50 | infernix | pbuilder runs as root? |
| 19:06.33 | somiaj | allexmb: you want to install debian (not a .deb). If you haven't used it before look up a howto (there are some things you need to tweak if you want to make the machien bootable (such as install a kernel and set up the fstab and other config files) |
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| 19:07.19 | jelly-home | infernix: well, you need to be root to chroot() |
| 19:07.24 | allexmb | im fine with cmds as i code bash and awk, i just needed the cmd name as i was forgetting it |
| 19:07.32 | themill | infernix: an i386 chroot is often still the most straightforward in general |
| 19:07.33 | infernix | gives it a shot |
| 19:07.34 | somiaj | infernix: it will need root privalages. You need them for chroot and you will awnt the chroot to have correct file permisions. |
| 19:09.09 | infernix | this is nice. it does the dirty work for me |
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| 19:11.38 | n0c | yeah here we go.. easy enough.. http://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 19:11.46 | n0c | can x be run in a chroot? |
| 19:13.31 | jelly-home | if you provide the X server socket, or run X over tcp, sure |
| 19:13.55 | jelly-home | n0c: do you mean the X server or clients? |
| 19:14.07 | jelly-home | was assuming clients |
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| 19:27.39 | acx0 | anybody here using the 3.2-rt kernel? have you noticed any significant difference between the default kernel and the realtime? |
| 19:28.18 | allexmb | i use 3.7 |
| 19:28.28 | allexmb | simply try it |
| 19:28.57 | acx0 | allexmb: compiled yourself? |
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| 19:30.03 | _norayr_ | hey, people of Debian. |
| 19:30.21 | _norayr_ | So I am kinda desperate and came here to see what else can I do |
| 19:30.28 | invariant | _norayr_, yes, Comrad _norayr_. |
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| 19:31.08 | _norayr_ | I have installed friend's Inspiron n5050 with Wheezy, and it didn't recognize the wireless adapter. |
| 19:31.13 | _norayr_ | Thats broadcom card |
| 19:31.14 | _norayr_ | minute |
| 19:31.31 | _norayr_ | 09:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 4365 (rev 01) |
| 19:31.44 | _norayr_ | My firs thought was - firmware |
| 19:31.55 | nino | shame on debian installer, LVM + crypto I get segemtation fault |
| 19:32.10 | _norayr_ | I have installed firmware, but it still didnt show up with iwconfig or ifconfig -a |
| 19:32.19 | bravvve | hi,i bought a smart 3D tv,witch have vga connection,it s 32",and his max resolution is 1920x1080,how can i use it as screen,am under squeeze x64,and i have nvidia grapgic card |
| 19:32.20 | _norayr_ | then I decided to compile 3.7 kernel |
| 19:32.26 | _norayr_ | so now I have 3.7 kernel |
| 19:32.35 | _norayr_ | and the wireless is not recognized again |
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| 19:33.03 | _norayr_ | any ideas what else can I do? Is this driver supported in kernel? I prefer free driver if possible |
| 19:33.13 | ompaul | nino: segfaults are usually a hardware problem, it has been statistically shown to be true. |
| 19:33.20 | nino | no way |
| 19:33.23 | ompaul | way |
| 19:33.32 | nino | never erver partman is ass |
| 19:33.40 | _norayr_ | if there is no free driver, then can somebody point out where to get a proprietary one? |
| 19:33.56 | ompaul | !broadcom |
| 19:33.57 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 19:34.08 | nino | ompaul, deb installaer is not able to delete LVM with crypto |
| 19:34.09 | babilen_ | _norayr_: Could you give me the pciid of that card? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
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| 19:34.36 | nino | ompaul, i can switch to terminyl and can delete it with fdisk |
| 19:34.39 | jesusemelendezm | is it important to have the linux certification LPIC to work ? |
| 19:34.42 | _norayr_ | 09:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
| 19:34.59 | nino | ompaul, but partam relay on old partition table |
| 19:35.05 | babilen_ | ,pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 19:35.06 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
| 19:35.14 | babilen_ | wonderful :) |
| 19:35.21 | ompaul | nino: fantastic you have a problem, you have a solution |
| 19:35.38 | nino | ompaul, partman have a problem |
| 19:35.42 | _norayr_ | judd: and even in 3.7 kernel it seems |
| 19:35.56 | babilen_ | _norayr_: Doesn't look too good -- Maybe the proprietary wl driver supports that card, but there doesn't seem to be a free driver. |
| 19:36.01 | babilen_ | _norayr_: judd is a bot :) |
| 19:36.01 | _norayr_ | What is strange it worked out of the box in Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 19:36.14 | _norayr_ | (: |
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| 19:36.20 | ompaul | nino: cat /dev/zero > /partition/to/die |
| 19:36.34 | nino | ompaul, yes but reboot needed |
| 19:36.34 | ompaul | nino: restart and start by putting a partition table in place |
| 19:36.34 | bravvve | any one |
| 19:36.44 | babilen_ | _norayr_: In that case Ubuntu probably uses the wl driver, but do you have a method of checking that? (e.g. running "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" would reveal it) |
| 19:37.07 | _norayr_ | I dont have that ubuntu anymore, we have wheezy |
| 19:37.17 | _norayr_ | okay, you know, I have compiled wl driver |
| 19:37.20 | _norayr_ | with wheezy kernel |
| 19:37.32 | _norayr_ | but it didnt recognize the card too, after I have modprobe |
| 19:37.33 | _norayr_ | it |
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| 19:37.38 | babilen_ | _norayr_: No, in fact, I didn't know :) |
| 19:37.45 | nino | ompaul, still installer need to cover this and partman without reboot, it is a live system it should reread a disk |
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| 19:38.03 | _norayr_ | so where can I find a proprietary driver from the prodicer, like from broadcom? |
| 19:38.17 | _norayr_ | can I search there for a driver with my ids? |
| 19:38.18 | babilen_ | _norayr_: Well, it is always *much* easier to start from a known/working configuration. I know near to nothing about that card and wl would be my first approach. |
| 19:38.48 | babilen_ | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 19:38.50 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-7; sid/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8 |
| 19:38.58 | _norayr_ | What is interesting, Ubuntu suggested to replace working driver with "restricred" sta driver |
| 19:39.33 | ompaul | nino: you are messing with something core to get it right - once I destroy a disk I have used partprobe to check it again, but it is ALWAYS safer to restart |
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| 19:39.56 | babilen_ | Hmm, in which case the working driver was probably something else. If anything else fails I would recommend to just boot an Ubuntu live cd and check which driver is actually used. That way we can rule out other configurations and simply work on that. |
| 19:40.03 | babilen_ | _norayr_: ^ |
| 19:40.17 | ompaul | nino: continue and you might find yourself with a machine which won't complete the install (this situation I found myself in more than once, so a restart is a good thing) |
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| 19:40.31 | allexmb | i did cdebootstrap, and inside, apt-get install linux-base says libuuid-perl missing especially perlapi-version |
| 19:40.32 | allexmb | what to do |
| 19:40.47 | allexmb | to make a bootable system with gparted to resize my main partition |
| 19:40.49 | _norayr_ | okay. thank you, I will try to find Broadcom driver from the web, and install it. Then I mat come back (: |
| 19:41.08 | babilen_ | _norayr_: Are you /sure/ that you installed firmware? |
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| 19:41.42 | nino | ompaul, sure you have right, but still is it a problem to integrate partprobe in a partman means in installation process |
| 19:41.53 | ompaul | nino: file a bug |
| 19:41.53 | babilen_ | _norayr_: The wl driver (i.e. broadcom-sta-dkms) *is* the broadcom driver "from the net" so unless you get a /much/ newer version it than the one in wheezy/sid it is unlikely that compiling it yourself helps at all |
| 19:42.05 | babilen_ | _norayr_: I would figure out what Ubuntu uses and take it from there |
| 19:42.19 | _norayr_ | am.. okay, I remember I have installed b43-fwcutter - and used it to extract firmware, but now I know that this is wrong fw. |
| 19:42.31 | nino | ompaul, ok :) |
| 19:42.37 | _norayr_ | then I used broadcom-sta-dkms with wheezy kernel |
| 19:42.44 | babilen | hmm |
| 19:42.53 | _norayr_ | but I didnt download fw for it I guess |
| 19:43.05 | _norayr_ | Does it have separate firmware package? |
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| 19:43.36 | babilen | _norayr_: Unfortunately I have to leave now (dinner) -- I can recommend to following: 1. Web search for that device + Debian 2. Boot an Ubuntu live CD and check their configuration |
| 19:43.36 | _norayr_ | I did like here: http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Wheezy |
| 19:43.50 | _norayr_ | thank you |
| 19:43.53 | babilen | _norayr_: You definitely don't need firmware for the wl driver (it just contains it) |
| 19:43.57 | babilen | _norayr_: Good luck! |
| 19:44.05 | acx0 | babilen: is 'lspci -k' the only way to check which driver your network card is using? I tried it out with a desktop using a wireless dongle but it doesn't appear |
| 19:44.26 | _norayr_ | thank you again |
| 19:44.58 | pmo_ | babilen, lsusb |
| 19:45.22 | boudiccas | acx0: just try using lspci and no flags, you should find it in there |
| 19:47.00 | acx0 | boudiccas: doesn't lspci without flags only show hardware information? In this case I know my wireless card uses the rtl8187 driver, but it doesn't show up in the output of lspci -k |
| 19:47.31 | acx0 | nevermind, lsusb seems to show it |
| 19:47.43 | boudiccas | acx0: yes, it will show everything, so you should be able to find what you're looking for in it |
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| 19:48.32 | acx0 | boudiccas: lspci didn't know any information about my wireless card, and I'm guessing it's because it's a usb wireless adapter; lsusb worked though |
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| 19:50.16 | alfplayer | do i need to subscribe to sourceforge mailing lists to send mails? |
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| 19:52.09 | Soothsayer | if I really need to install a package from debian sid, then is the recommended way to do it by adding the deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main to my sources.ist, then installing the package I need and then commenting it out from my sources.list ? |
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| 19:58.30 | carrett-phone | So, if i get millions (literally) of errors on a memtest, is it time for new memory? |
| 19:58.50 | carrett-phone | None are ecc errors |
| 19:58.55 | rozie | carrett-phone: first turn off machine |
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| 19:59.05 | rozie | second - remove the dust |
| 19:59.17 | carrett-phone | Reseat |
| 19:59.24 | carrett-phone | And test again? |
| 19:59.43 | rozie | third - take out memory, remove the dust from banks |
| 19:59.47 | rozie | then test |
| 19:59.52 | carrett-phone | Well |
| 19:59.56 | AimHere | Also, check another stick of memory in the same slots; could be a mobo problem |
| 20:00.02 | rozie | number of errors isn't that much important |
| 20:00.14 | rozie | if they are in the same range |
| 20:00.21 | carrett-phone | Is kind of cool to see though |
| 20:00.22 | rozie | like common 10 MB |
| 20:00.24 | carrett-phone | They are |
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| 20:00.32 | carrett-phone | Fucking dust |
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| 20:00.42 | rozie | you can just disable that part of memory |
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| 20:01.35 | carrett-phone | Is radio Shack the best or worst place to go for an air can? |
| 20:01.56 | rozie | carrett-phone: http://rozie.blox.pl/2010/01/Jak-bezpiecznie-korzystac-z-uszkodzonej-pamieci.html (use google translate) |
| 20:02.06 | rozie | carrett-phone: just vacuum it |
| 20:02.22 | rozie | and blow. no need for air can |
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| 20:02.32 | AimHere | Mohammed's Electronic Consumables in downtown Kandahar, Kabul is the worst place to go for an air can |
| 20:03.00 | _norayr_ | so I came to say that I have managed to compile wireless-bcm43142-dkms_6.20.55.19-1_amd64.deb on my wheezy |
| 20:03.01 | carrett-phone | Don't have vacuum lol |
| 20:03.06 | _norayr_ | on inspiron n7070 |
| 20:03.13 | _norayr_ | and it works now very good |
| 20:03.34 | _norayr_ | I have compiled it against 3.7 |
| 20:03.41 | _norayr_ | as I already have compiled 3.7 |
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| 20:03.57 | _norayr_ | dont know how it would work under not recent kernels |
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| 20:07.58 | felixnsb | help |
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| 20:08.48 | djp_ | is it possible to display my user account details? i want to see the full name used when creating a user account. |
| 20:10.11 | somiaj | djp_: what info do you want? grep username /etc/passwd will show you the details you entered in when you created the account |
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| 20:10.48 | djp_ | somiaj: that's just what i wanted. thank you. |
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| 20:11.17 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i plan to purchase new parts to assemble a new PC; what motherboard do you suggest that has no UEFI issue? |
| 20:12.47 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: what if you looked at the offerings from system76 and Zareason, to get an idea of what they use? |
| 20:13.06 | ToApolytoXaos | what do you mean? |
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| 20:13.36 | tech_ | those two companies specialize in Linux laptops/desktops |
| 20:13.44 | ToApolytoXaos | ok |
| 20:13.47 | ToApolytoXaos | cheers |
| 20:13.50 | tech_ | np |
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| 20:19.43 | ToApolytoXaos | tech_, do you know if anyone had an issue with UEFI up to now with debian? |
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| 20:20.16 | ToApolytoXaos | i want to use my current HDD to a new motherboard without any boot problem; that's why i asked for suggestions |
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| 20:27.00 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: if anyone has, I haven't heard about it |
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| 20:27.44 | ToApolytoXaos | i just remembered the UEFI security issue and thought the worst case scenario |
| 20:27.55 | ToApolytoXaos | i don't want to get forced to use Windows |
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| 20:29.08 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: they say it's to protect the MBR from infection, but it seems more like a great way to lock-in a machine |
| 20:29.19 | ToApolytoXaos | exactly |
| 20:29.33 | ToApolytoXaos | as if they won't crack it if they do so |
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| 20:29.57 | tech_ | Ubuntu and Red Hat have already figured something out |
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| 20:31.38 | Rikle_S | Hi |
| 20:31.53 | Rikle_S | how execute binarie files in op |
| 20:32.00 | Rikle_S | opt folfer ? |
| 20:32.17 | ToApolytoXaos | :D hahaha |
| 20:32.26 | ToApolytoXaos | nice one...folfer :D hahaha |
| 20:32.48 | tech_ | Rikle_S: i dunno, link to /usr/local/bin ? |
| 20:32.51 | Rikle_S | folder :) |
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| 20:33.22 | ToApolytoXaos | Rikle_S, what's the full path of opt folder? |
| 20:33.32 | ToApolytoXaos | and the name of your executable? |
| 20:33.37 | Rikle_S | /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 20:33.39 | ToApolytoXaos | is it a binary or a shell script? |
| 20:33.54 | ToApolytoXaos | ok, and from where do you want to run it? |
| 20:33.56 | _jesse_ | I'd probably symlink, but you could also add it to your $PATH |
| 20:33.58 | ToApolytoXaos | from terminal or from run command? |
| 20:34.12 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: using mozilla's firefox is silly, are you familiar with mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 20:34.32 | Rikle_S | zykotick9: no ? what is it ? |
| 20:34.32 | tech_ | yeah, a symlink to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin would do it. not elegant, but it will work |
| 20:34.55 | Rikle_S | ToApolytoXaos: i want run it from keybord shortcut |
| 20:35.00 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: recent versions of iceweasel (which is just unbranded firefox, packaged for debian) |
| 20:35.06 | ToApolytoXaos | why not to use iceweasel? |
| 20:35.13 | ToApolytoXaos | things would become much clearer for you |
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| 20:35.29 | Rikle_S | i have aptana too |
| 20:35.37 | Rikle_S | it's not just Firefox |
| 20:35.40 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: I agree |
| 20:36.07 | ToApolytoXaos | why use aptana when you can use both eclipse and netbeans which are FOSS-ed? |
| 20:37.07 | Rikle_S | i use it since many times |
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| 20:37.52 | Rikle_S | but this is realy not my problem |
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| 20:38.29 | Rikle_S | when i run on on these file |
| 20:38.36 | Rikle_S | i have a message : L'exécution du processus fils « /opt/aptana/AptanaStudio3 |
| 20:38.42 | Rikle_S | sorry |
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| 20:39.14 | Rikle_S | The process execution son |
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| 20:39.36 | Rikle_S | failure during the process execution son |
| 20:39.56 | Rikle_S | and this is my real problem |
| 20:40.57 | ToApolytoXaos | who's son is the execution problem? :D you lost me! |
| 20:41.14 | Rikle_S | this is the error message :/ |
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| 20:41.45 | diverdude | which ftp server is recommended to use nowadays? |
| 20:41.56 | allexmb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.01 | allexmb | is one for example |
| 20:42.06 | allexmb | all there are fine dude |
| 20:42.09 | allexmb | apt-cache ftpd |
| 20:42.16 | allexmb | c < search > f |
| 20:42.18 | allexmb | blah |
| 20:42.22 | allexmb | apt-cache search ftpd |
| 20:43.01 | Rikle_S | so there is no solution ? |
| 20:43.12 | cardamon | Does the hybrid image have memtest on it? |
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| 20:43.57 | diverdude | allblack, ftpd, will it run at startup automatically? |
| 20:44.00 | Zeeflo | vsftpd used to be good |
| 20:44.05 | Zeeflo | i use proftpd now |
| 20:44.18 | Zeeflo | diverdude yes |
| 20:44.27 | tech_ | Rikle_S: BTW, what is firefox doing in /opt? I guess you didn't install from a tarball? |
| 20:45.11 | Rikle_S | tech_: i download it from website |
| 20:45.24 | Rikle_S | and unzip it in /opt/ |
| 20:45.26 | tech_ | was it a .deb? |
| 20:45.31 | Rikle_S | no |
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| 20:46.08 | Zeeflo | why would you compile what is in the repository? |
| 20:46.19 | Zeeflo | why dont you just get firefox from the repository? |
| 20:46.39 | tech_ | when I used FF, it was always a tarball, and I always unpacked it in ~/ |
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| 20:46.53 | Rikle_S | becase this is not real an last firefox :/ |
| 20:47.29 | Zeeflo | well.. get the .deb then |
| 20:47.36 | Zeeflo | theres no reason to compile |
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| 20:47.57 | tech_ | you don't have to compile the tarball, either |
| 20:48.04 | Zeeflo | i dont know.. Im on wheezy |
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| 20:48.10 | nino | pepit0, online? |
| 20:48.16 | Rikle_S | zykotick9: i'm too |
| 20:48.36 | tech_ | I'm on sid, but that shouldn't matter |
| 20:49.27 | Zeeflo | whats the version of FF in testing? |
| 20:50.09 | Rikle_S | :( |
| 20:50.11 | Zeeflo | ive never experienced FF not being up to date in the repository |
| 20:50.14 | Zeeflo | never!! |
| 20:50.27 | tech_ | better to download directly from website |
| 20:50.44 | Rikle_S | Zeeflo: this is not my real problem, i have 3 applications in this case |
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| 20:51.16 | Zeeflo | tech_ why is it better to download off their website and dpkg'ing if the same version is in the reps? |
| 20:51.16 | Rikle_S | not just FF, and i realy would like to know how make it works |
| 20:51.55 | Zeeflo | Rikle_S what are you trying to do? |
| 20:52.09 | Rikle_S | clic on binarie file to run my app |
| 20:52.13 | Rikle_S | lication |
| 20:52.15 | tech_ | I'm just used to using their tarballs. if the repo version is the same then you're right, it won't matter |
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| 20:52.57 | tech_ | Rikle_S: I'm guessing, if you installed in /opt, then you had to do so as root, right? |
| 20:53.13 | Zeeflo | if youve saved your tar in /opt you have to be root |
| 20:53.14 | Zeeflo | or |
| 20:53.18 | Zeeflo | move it to your home dir |
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| 20:53.34 | Zeeflo | i will suggest doing the last thing! |
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| 20:54.04 | Zeeflo | dont do things as root if you can do it as a user |
| 20:54.09 | tech_ | Rikle_S: I agree with Zeeflo, your regular user account probably doesn't have permission to run it if you installed as root |
| 20:54.09 | Zeeflo | always keep that in mind |
| 20:54.23 | Rikle_S | in home dir, problem is the same |
| 20:54.37 | Zeeflo | see if file belongs to you or root |
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| 20:54.48 | Rikle_S | me |
| 20:55.12 | Zeeflo | then you should have no problem extracting the tarball and configure && make && make install |
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| 20:55.29 | Zeeflo | you cant just doubleclick a tarball and think something will install |
| 20:55.47 | Zeeflo | a tarball is a compressed archive with files inside you need to do something with |
| 20:56.05 | Zeeflo | you can, how ever, download a .deb file and doubleclick it |
| 20:56.26 | tech_ | Zeeflo: with Firefox no need to configure. It comes ready to run - just unpack the taarball and it's already done |
| 20:56.33 | Zeeflo | ah ok |
| 20:56.54 | Rikle_S | Zeeflo: i use debian on onother desk, i've download firefox from website, put it in /opt/, double clic and it works :/ |
| 20:57.12 | Zeeflo | then its a permission issue |
| 20:57.17 | Zeeflo | doubtlessly |
| 20:57.29 | tech_ | Rikle_S: Zeeflo's right |
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| 20:57.50 | Zeeflo | either you do not have permission to execute on the file, or you dont have permission to the directory the file is in |
| 20:57.55 | Zeeflo | its as simple as that |
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| 20:58.02 | tech_ | you should never have to install Firefox as root |
| 20:58.06 | Zeeflo | no |
| 20:58.07 | Zeeflo | never |
| 20:58.30 | Zeeflo | in fact you hardly should ever do anything in root! |
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| 21:00.29 | Rikle_S | i don't see any issue on permissions |
| 21:00.36 | tech_ | I've stopped using Firefox for the time being. there's something they did with the java archive that I didn't like |
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| 21:01.35 | tech_ | made it a pain in the *** to configure some of my mods for it |
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| 21:02.55 | tech_ | Rikle_S: just uninstall from /opt and reinstall in ~/ (do the reinstall as user, not root or even sudo) |
| 21:03.13 | Rikle_S | tech_: i've done it |
| 21:03.19 | tech_ | okay |
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| 21:03.22 | Rikle_S | the problem is the same |
| 21:03.22 | Rikle_S | :/ |
| 21:03.36 | tech_ | was it a good download? |
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| 21:03.58 | Rikle_S | i've this message on 3 different applications |
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| 21:04.20 | tech_ | Rikle_S: what was the error message exactly? |
| 21:04.31 | Rikle_S | i translate from french |
| 21:04.35 | tech_ | okay |
| 21:04.42 | Zeeflo | i speak french |
| 21:04.47 | Zeeflo | pastebin it |
| 21:04.49 | Vasistha | How can I find out what the dependencies are for a package on snapshot.debian.org? |
| 21:04.54 | Zeeflo | www.pastebin.ca |
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| 21:06.20 | Rikle_S | Zeeflo: http://www.pastebin.ca/2294124 |
| 21:06.30 | tech_ | Vasistha: if you look up the package on debian.org, it should list all the dependencies for it |
| 21:06.30 | Enmity | morning all, I can't get my wireless to work. if I do an ifconfig wlan is up but on the network icon in the top right of the desktop when I try and search for a wireless access point it just says wireless is disabled. Any ideas? |
| 21:07.01 | Vasistha | tech_: yes but I want to find where the requirement was changed from gnutls26 to gnutls28 |
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| 21:08.02 | Zeeflo | Rikle_S: youre trying to execute a file that doesnt exist |
| 21:08.17 | Rikle_S | i've just double clic on it |
| 21:08.21 | tech_ | Vasistha: okay. The package listings are also divided by version (lenny, wheezy, sid). simply make sure you're looking in the right section |
| 21:08.25 | Rikle_S | so it exist i think |
| 21:08.46 | Vasistha | tech_: maybe you didn't understand my question? I am looking at SNAPSHOTS.debian.org |
| 21:08.49 | Zeeflo | well, you can have an icon on your desktop, but that does not mean there is a directory in your home |
| 21:08.50 | dune | Enmity: use /sbin/iwconfig to configure your wireless interface |
| 21:09.13 | Vasistha | that is, er, singular snapshot. |
| 21:09.20 | Enmity | dune, thanks, will give it a go |
| 21:09.21 | Rikle_S | tech_: message translate with google translate : The process execution son "/ home/francois/App/Aptana_Studio_3/AptanaStudio3 'failed (No such file or such). |
| 21:09.24 | Zeeflo | your error clearly says, aucun fichie ou dossier de cette type |
| 21:09.40 | Zeeflo | that means, there is no such file to execute.. |
| 21:09.45 | tech_ | Vasistha: okay, I'm going there now |
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| 21:10.14 | Rikle_S | Zeeflo: this is my problem, it's a binari file, with execution permission :/ |
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| 21:10.39 | Vasistha | tech_: oh you don't know about that site? It's a gem. Great for upgrading something to get past a limitation when there's no other option. Support is lousy, though. |
| 21:10.39 | tech_ | Vasistha: are you in backports? |
| 21:10.39 | Rikle_S | i gone to this directory to double clic on it, it's not a shortcut |
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| 21:10.43 | Zeeflo | there is no such file in /home/francois/App/Aptana_Studio_3/ |
| 21:10.47 | Vasistha | tech_: there's no backport for pan |
| 21:10.49 | Zeeflo | it clearly says so |
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| 21:11.05 | Enmity | dune, there does not seem to be an iwconfig option to scan |
| 21:11.58 | dune | Enmity: if you're using gnome/kde network manager, just stick with it. Was wireless card working before? |
| 21:12.14 | Vasistha | tech_: ...simple sid backport fails due to gnutls28 dependency. So I thought I'd take a look at snapshot.debian.org and see if there's a good version on there. But it's difficult to figure out what might work, since no dependencies are there to be seen. I guess I'll just have to download the different versions and look manually. It's a bit of a pain |
| 21:12.45 | tech_ | Vasistha: that's a pain |
| 21:12.47 | Enmity | dune, yes, but I have mainly been using wwan0 but now I am crashing on my mates couch I want to connect to his wireless |
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| 21:13.21 | Vasistha | tech_: exactly, thus my question, how to see dependencies for snapshot.debian.org packages |
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| 21:14.00 | tech_ | Vasistha: which package were you trying to install? I want to navigate to that page |
| 21:15.01 | Vasistha | http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/pan/ or http://snapshot.debian.org/package/pan/ something after .135 and before .139 that works on squeeze |
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| 21:16.35 | Rikle_S | Zeeflo: i just think it's a permission issue, but i don't find it |
| 21:17.04 | tech_ | Vasistha: I just get a 404 on both lis |
| 21:17.07 | tech_ | *links |
| 21:17.43 | dune | If you were using wireless before and now it's just not working, were you making any changes to your /etc/network/interfaces file? Or were you trying to get connect to a wifi network using ifconfig? |
| 21:18.02 | dune | Enmity: If you were using wireless before and now it's just not working, were you making any changes to your /etc/network/interfaces file? Or were you trying to get connect to a wifi network using ifconfig? |
| 21:18.27 | Vasistha | tech_: that's odd. They work just fine for me. try again? |
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| 21:19.09 | Enmity | dune, nope, no changes. I try not to use the command line so I don't screw things up =) I have somehow managed to break evolution though so that doesn't start either. Hmm, this was a recent clean install. |
| 21:19.32 | tech_ | Vasistha: I found them |
| 21:19.49 | tech_ | Vasistha: now looking on debian.org |
| 21:19.56 | Vasistha | tech_: anyway, I just went ahead and individually downloaded the dsc files, looks lik 0.137 may work |
| 21:20.16 | tech_ | Vasistha: okay. Still curious, this is for sid, right? |
| 21:20.28 | Vasistha | tech_: no, no, for squeeze |
| 21:20.37 | tech_ | Vasistha: ah, okay |
| 21:20.49 | Vasistha | tech_: well, I suppose it might be useful for sid users to downgrade if something breaks |
| 21:20.55 | Enmity | dune, could evolution not be starting because the gnome network manager says wireless is unavailable? why would the gnome network manager say wireless if unavailable yet ifconfig says wlan0 is up? |
| 21:21.39 | Vasistha | tech_: I think it also may be useful for people using other distros, if that other distro is build on top of sid at a particular date, s.d.o has snapshots of all the packages compatible with that particular distro at the time it was created. Well, maybe compatible |
| 21:22.05 | Enmity | dune - correction - the gnome wireless manager says wireless is disabled |
| 21:22.30 | tech_ | Vasistha: I'm looking at dependency list for version 0.133 |
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| 21:22.33 | dune | Enmity: wlan0 might be up, but not connected, this might help: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 21:23.43 | tech_ | Vasistha: I think you have to go to debian.org and look under the right one. |
| 21:23.48 | dune | Enmity: I'll think about it. Haven't you simply turned wifi off using your laptops keyboard? ;-) |
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| 21:24.00 | Vasistha | tech_: I don't think you understand what I'm doing ;) |
| 21:24.06 | tech_ | Vasistha: but, yes, snapshots, I can be as being useful |
| 21:24.23 | tech_ | I do, but I think there's a way to do it |
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| 21:24.41 | tech_ | I'm just not every eloquent as saying it |
| 21:24.46 | tech_ | XD |
| 21:24.56 | Rikle_S | i really apreciate some help :/ |
| 21:25.25 | Vasistha | tech_: well ... what I did is download that dsc files for each different version and look at the requirements |
| 21:25.59 | tech_ | Vasistha: okay, that works. |
| 21:26.11 | tech_ | must remember that trick for the future... |
| 21:26.21 | Enmity | dune - heh nope, fallen for that one before. the physical switch is slid accross to the wireless enabled position. plus bluetooth is working and wwan |
| 21:26.45 | tech_ | Rikle_S: same problem as before? |
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| 21:27.17 | Rikle_S | yes |
| 21:27.51 | Enmity | I have broken gnome as well, and now its defaulted back to the good old interface. I think this is all related. Maybe my system is just borked? |
| 21:28.08 | tech_ | Rikle_S: so Debian is telling you that it can't find a file that you actually installed, right? |
| 21:28.14 | tech_ | I missed the translation |
| 21:28.36 | Rikle_S | failure during the process execution son |
| 21:28.56 | dune | Enmity: it matter if you're using gnome. If you're not, could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces for me? |
| 21:29.04 | dune | Enmity: http://www.pastebin.com |
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| 21:29.51 | Rikle_S | tech_: failure during the process execution son |
| 21:30.12 | tech_ | Rikle_S: I want to see if this will work for you: uninstall firefox, download the tarball, unpack in the home directory, go to ~/firefox and "./firefox" |
| 21:30.39 | tech_ | That always works for me |
| 21:30.52 | Rikle_S | tech_: i've never install it |
| 21:31.00 | tech_ | okay |
| 21:31.01 | Rikle_S | just download it |
| 21:31.10 | tech_ | is it a tarball? |
| 21:31.15 | Rikle_S | yes |
| 21:31.33 | tech_ | okay. untar it in your home directory |
| 21:32.15 | Rikle_S | i've done it (now) |
| 21:32.20 | Rikle_S | error message is the same |
| 21:32.54 | tech_ | wait - it gave you the error message when you unpacked it, before you ran it? |
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| 21:33.34 | dune | Enmity: You could try with other environment and use wicd, for example. It does the trick for me, when gnome's network-manager fails. Or use command line, it's really not that hard, see this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse for help. One more question: does other devices see that wireless network you wish to connect to? |
| 21:33.40 | Rikle_S | no, after unpack, when i clic on binarie file |
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| 21:33.59 | Vasistha | tech_: I wrote a howto on this kind of thing for a particular application, see http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 21:34.23 | tech_ | Vasistha: thanks, I'm going to bookmark that site |
| 21:34.44 | tech_ | Rikle_S: do you have a terminal open? |
| 21:35.10 | Enmity | dune, just installed nautalus-pastebin, am getting there. could not figure out how to get that file to the site you linked |
| 21:35.22 | Rikle_S | tech_: yes |
| 21:35.35 | tech_ | okay, let's do this from the command line |
| 21:35.53 | tech_ | Rikle_S: cd ~/firefox |
| 21:36.09 | dune | Enmity: You just copy text and paste there, click "submit" button and copy link it gives you. |
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| 21:36.49 | Rikle_S | tech_: yes ? |
| 21:37.03 | Enmity | http://pastebin.com/sBNu6Skx |
| 21:37.19 | tech_ | Rikle_S: in the terminal, cd to your firefox directory, then run it fromthe command line |
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| 21:37.30 | Enmity | think I have found the problem - there is no wireless or even wwan in there so I am wondering how they are working |
| 21:38.21 | Rikle_S | tech_: it autocomplet when i write "fire" then error message is : |
| 21:38.28 | Rikle_S | no such file or directory |
| 21:39.00 | Rikle_S | i'm in ~/firefox/ |
| 21:39.09 | Rikle_S | run ./firefox |
| 21:39.18 | tech_ | Rikle_S: type "./firefox" |
| 21:39.21 | Rikle_S | no such file or directory |
| 21:39.43 | tech_ | Rikle_S: type "./firefox", not "run ./firefox" |
| 21:39.48 | Rikle_S | ./firefox is ./firefox |
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| 21:40.11 | Rikle_S | tech_: that's what i've done |
| 21:40.19 | tech_ | is there a firefox-bin in your directory |
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| 21:40.31 | zykotick9 | Rikle_S: is this a 64bit OS and a 32bit binary? |
| 21:40.41 | dune | Enmity: You don't have to install any pastebin application. I got your link. Sorry, but I have to ask if you're familiar with the terminal? And are you still using gnome? |
| 21:40.49 | tech_ | zykotick9: good question |
| 21:40.55 | Rikle_S | 64bit |
| 21:41.00 | tech_ | oh crap |
| 21:41.07 | Rikle_S | what ? |
| 21:41.08 | tech_ | that may be your problem riht there |
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| 21:41.28 | tech_ | are you using the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version? |
| 21:41.34 | Rikle_S | everybody said that 64bit was ok |
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| 21:42.10 | tech_ | okay, so you have 64-bit firefox for 64-bit debian? |
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| 21:42.24 | Rikle_S | tech_: i don't know that |
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| 21:43.42 | tech_ | Rikle_S: okay, the computer (not the OS, just the computer) - is it 64-bit, or 32-bit? |
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| 21:43.56 | Rikle_S | yes, 64 |
| 21:44.01 | Rikle_S | i3 |
| 21:44.23 | tech_ | Rikle_S: okay, your version of firefox is 64-bit as well, right? |
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| 21:45.01 | Rikle_S | tech_: don't know that :/ |
| 21:45.05 | Rikle_S | i don't think so |
| 21:45.07 | dune | admires tech_ |
| 21:45.16 | Rikle_S | i'm searching |
| 21:45.56 | un214 | My firefox is amd64 |
| 21:45.59 | mtn | Rikle_S, in the firefox folder type: file firefox |
| 21:46.13 | un214 | don't bother it's a shell script |
| 21:46.14 | Enmity | dune, yes, I can use the cli but am no expert and yes, I am using gnome |
| 21:46.16 | un214 | type file firefox-bin |
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| 21:46.27 | Rikle_S | irefox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 21:46.28 | mtn | mtn, ok, or that :) |
| 21:46.30 | gnarface | all this effort to run a buggy version of iceweasel!!!! gnarface no comprendo |
| 21:46.34 | mtn | home run! |
| 21:46.40 | naptastic | How do I make 100% sure my initramfs includes dm-raid? |
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| 21:47.18 | engla | naptastic: begin with lsinitramfs and check |
| 21:47.18 | tech_ | Rikle_S: okay, if you have a 64-bit computer, then you should be running a 64-bit of Debian. If you are running 64-bit Debian then you shoul be running 64-bit Firefox |
| 21:47.31 | gnarface | (iceweasel) |
| 21:48.02 | Rikle_S | tech_: ok, but no download option on firefox website |
| 21:48.03 | Rikle_S | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | engla | Rikle_S: do you want mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 21:48.24 | naptastic | engla, that's helpful--the module is not there. Can I add it without having to create a full list of what I need? |
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| 21:48.31 | tech_ | Rikle_S: just a second, I'm going to the firefox website |
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| 21:49.00 | wad | Hi folks. I made an adjustment to the network settings on my debian gateway machine, and ever since then my wireless network has been dropping connections on some (but not all) devices. What's a good channel in which to get some troubleshooting ideas? |
| 21:49.08 | naptastic | engla, (can I tell initramfs to do what it would've done anyway, but add dm-raid?) |
| 21:49.10 | mtn | Rikle_S, there isn't anything wrong with iceweasel |
| 21:49.37 | tech_ | thinks Rickle_S is using the Debian AMD64 port |
| 21:49.47 | naptastic | wad, perhaps #networking, but this is a good place to start. When you say dropping connections, you mean they're getting reset? |
| 21:49.53 | Rikle_S | tech_: yes ? |
| 21:49.56 | naptastic | wad, also, what changes did you make specifically? |
| 21:50.01 | engla | naptastic: yeah, via /etc/initramfs-tools/ config files |
| 21:50.19 | engla | I don't know how to do it specifically but packages can install hooks and you can write your own |
| 21:50.36 | Enmity | dune, so for some reason debian has not picked up my wireless and wwan interfaces and put them into /etc/netrwork/interfaces. Is there an easy way to run the script and scan and configure the network interfaces again? |
| 21:50.43 | mtn | un214, no pms please |
| 21:50.45 | dune | Enmity: If your wireless worked fine, maybe no action in configuration files is required. Have you tried turning your computer off and on? |
| 21:51.13 | mtn | un214, iceweasels support is better than mozillas, I would wager |
| 21:51.15 | wad | naptastic, I changed the mtu on the WAN side of the PC I use for a gateway. TimeWarner had it set to 576! I changed it to 1492. What happens is that now some devices (specifically my son's netbook, my smartphone, and my wife's smartphone), just drop their wireless connections all the time. I even set up a SECOND wireless network, same thing. |
| 21:51.22 | Enmity | dune - did you say that with a scottish accent?? and yes, that is the first thing I did lol |
| 21:51.23 | dune | Enmity: If you're using gnome's network manager, it should manage these interfaces itself. But I might be wrong. |
| 21:51.41 | naptastic | engla, excellent, thanks :-) It's in the modules file. I should rtfm first. |
| 21:51.45 | tech_ | Rikle_S: I have link I want you to go to: |
| 21:51.51 | wad | The two wireless networks are set up in "bridge mode", so they just pass through their DHCP requests to my debian gateway machine. |
| 21:52.00 | naptastic | wad, that means their devices have a very low MTU cap, and you can't get around it. :-( Set it back to their value. |
| 21:52.07 | naptastic | wad, and complain loudly. |
| 21:52.12 | dune | Enmity: Nope, I'm nothing like Roy. ;-) |
| 21:52.24 | wad | naptastic, but my wired connections work perfectly. Such as the laptop I'm currently typing on. |
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| 21:52.34 | tech_ | Rikle_S: http://www.firefox64bit.com/firefox.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 |
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| 21:52.47 | wad | If it was TimeWarner, why would only my wireless networks be affected? |
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| 21:53.42 | tech_ | Rikle_S: that is the firefox version you probably shold be running |
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| 21:53.56 | gnarface | wad: probably your neighbor running the microwave or something actually. but its true that TimeWarner will only bring you tears. the 20$ you save every month to not have a real ISP aren't worth it. |
| 21:54.08 | Rikle_S | tech_: thanks ! but Nightly is not a beta version ? |
| 21:54.43 | tech_ | Rikle_S: nightly? that's pretty cutting-edge |
| 21:54.49 | gnarface | wad: i would consider looking for signs of spectrum crowding causing abnormally high latency/packet loss |
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| 21:55.20 | wad | gnarface, TimeWarner is the best I've tried so far. The first one I got was DSL from AT&T, and that was E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y----A-W-F-U-L!! |
| 21:56.03 | wad | gnarface, I've been using the "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, and my spectrum is quite clean. |
| 21:56.08 | Rikle_S | tech_: this is the version you linked i think |
| 21:56.16 | Rikle_S | i need stable version :/ |
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| 21:56.22 | wad | Thanks for the help, guys. I'm looking into TimeWarner issues now. |
| 21:56.37 | tech_ | Rikle_S: okay, give me a second: |
| 21:57.12 | dune | Enmity: Try this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line and it worked for me. After this restart your /etc/init.d/networking as root (# /etc/init.d/networking restart). |
| 21:58.31 | wad | Actually, I'm going to fiddle with my iptables first.... |
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| 21:59.13 | tech_ | Rikle_S: Here's the problem I see: when you go to the main Firefox download website, all the links are for the *32-bit* versions. I'm trying to locate the most recent stable *64-bit* version for you |
| 21:59.38 | Rikle_S | tech_: don't do that |
| 21:59.42 | Enmity | dune, wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 21:59.45 | tech_ | okay |
| 21:59.49 | Rikle_S | you do enought |
| 22:00.08 | tech_ | Rikle_S: I don't mind |
| 22:00.30 | wad | Oh, I think I found it! I needed to set the mtu of the LAN side of my gateway to 40 less than the WAN side! |
| 22:00.32 | Rikle_S | i'm searching how run 32bit binaries on 64bit OS |
| 22:00.47 | tech_ | Rikle_S: Someone helped me, so I pay him back by helping someone else |
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| 22:01.12 | wad | tech_, don't do that! It's just keeps the cycle going... |
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| 22:01.19 | dune | tech_: I think that links generated there are similar to your system/browser. You have 32-bit machine? |
| 22:01.33 | tech_ | yes, 32-bit |
| 22:01.39 | Rikle_S | tech_: you've done it, you take me on the good way |
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| 22:01.52 | tech_ | wad: XD |
| 22:02.08 | dune | tech_: Then maybe you get 32-bit links, and Rikle_S get 64-bit links? |
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| 22:02.29 | tech_ | dune: I didn't think of that. You think that might be the case? |
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| 22:02.48 | dune | Enmity: For scanning is iwlist command. Try to restart networking now and see what happens. (# /etc/init.d/networking restart) |
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| 22:04.28 | dune | tech_: If you're helping him to install on 64-bit machine, I don't know. I'd use another 64-bit machine instead. |
| 22:05.15 | tech_ | dune: if I had access to one I would do exactly that |
| 22:06.06 | Enmity | dune, no joy. any way to rerun the setup script? or just a quick way to repair my system? |
| 22:06.12 | tech_ | dune: you may have a point. It's like a dolphin trying to teach a tree how to walk. |
| 22:06.28 | dune | I have one, but I'm not tracking issue from the beginning. |
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| 22:06.43 | dune | tech_: Always could use VM? ;-) |
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| 22:07.39 | tech_ | dune: good point. but I didn't know I could emulate a 64-bit system on with a VM on a 32-bit machine |
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| 22:08.47 | dune | tech_: I don't know it either. |
| 22:08.52 | SiDz | same |
| 22:08.53 | SiDz | :) |
| 22:09.21 | tech_ | thinks this might be a neat experiment |
| 22:10.03 | gnarface | it works for some stuff |
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| 22:10.08 | gnarface | for some values of "works" |
| 22:10.26 | tech_ | gnarface: I like that disclaimer XD |
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| 22:11.10 | dune | Enmity: try to save your /etc/interfaces like this: http://pastebin.com/xpyrexdr , then restart networking and see for changes. |
| 22:12.03 | dune | Enmity: /etc/network/interfaces *correct* |
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| 22:12.22 | Rikle_S | is there a way to install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk on debian 64bit ? |
| 22:12.26 | Rikle_S | weezy |
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| 22:14.31 | useless-eater | Rikle_S: did you aptitude search ia32 |
| 22:14.48 | Rikle_S | there is a dependence |
| 22:14.51 | tech_ | Rikle_S: you may want to look up 1a32 |
| 22:14.58 | tech_ | *ia32 |
| 22:14.59 | Rikle_S | whitch is not compatible |
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| 22:15.32 | Rikle_S | don't understand ? |
| 22:15.45 | tech_ | useless-eater: couldn't he use a chroot enviroment? |
| 22:15.57 | gnarface | Rikle_S: they're gone now. use multiarch instead |
| 22:16.16 | gnarface | tech_: they're obsoleted by multiarch |
| 22:16.27 | tech_ | okay |
| 22:16.40 | Rikle_S | gnarface: aptitude install multiarch ? :) |
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| 22:16.58 | gnarface | Rikle_S: no: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 22:16.58 | somiaj | Rikle_S: yes and no. Look up the multiarch howto and enable that. |
| 22:17.15 | tech_ | show |
| 22:17.43 | tech_ | tell Rikle_S about multiarch |
| 22:17.48 | tech_ | dpkg tell Rikle_S about multiarch |
| 22:18.02 | gnarface | tech_: you can just: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 22:18.08 | gnarface | tech_: it will respond in private |
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| 22:18.27 | tech_ | okay, that's what I was trying to do, thanks |
| 22:19.45 | gnarface | Rikle_S, tech_ : note: multiarch is not complete yet. expect that some stuff is still broken |
| 22:19.54 | tech_ | right now I think my stomach is trying to tell me about dinner |
| 22:20.01 | tech_ | later, guys |
| 22:20.35 | Rikle_S | gnarface: so what is the real solution ? |
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| 22:20.56 | gnarface | Rikle_S: what was the problem again? |
| 22:21.19 | Rikle_S | gnarface: 23:19 < gnarface> Rikle_S, tech_ : note: multiarch is not complete yet |
| 22:21.30 | gnarface | no i mean what were you trying to actually DO ? |
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| 22:22.10 | Rikle_S | i'm trying to install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk |
| 22:22.12 | somiaj | Rikle_S: multiarch is more complete than the old 'ia32libs' and friends packages were. But this will be the first release that comes with it so expect some transition. |
| 22:22.19 | Rikle_S | but there is dependency problem |
| 22:22.47 | somiaj | Rikle_S: those pacakges do not exist any more. They are just meta packages pointing at the actual i386 packages (libs) you need to install in a multiarch enviorment. Until you have a mulitarch enviorment set up (not default) you can't get them. |
| 22:22.57 | gnarface | Rikle_S: yea i get that part. but you still haven't told me what you're trying to do... why did you need ia32-libs? |
| 22:22.59 | Rikle_S | somiaj: it simce realy hard to onstall multiarch |
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| 22:23.23 | somiaj | Rikle_S: it takes two commands, dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
| 22:23.30 | somiaj | how is that hard? |
| 22:23.51 | ilreh | yeah when I want to install some i386 packages (regarding graphics libs) it asks me if I'm fine with removing my whole x environment and graphics driver altogether lol |
| 22:23.57 | gnarface | somiaj: he means its hard because it would have required him reading more than 5 words of the bot's responses to him |
| 22:24.29 | gnarface | somiaj: we need to start putting the punchline before the jokes, or nobody will ever read the docs at all |
| 22:24.31 | Rikle_S | but, to be sure |
| 22:24.45 | Rikle_S | if i can't use aptitude |
| 22:24.46 | somiaj | ilreh: best give more details. Again only the most popular and needed libs may have multiarch support. You try to install some random i386 binary you will get dependency conflicts. |
| 22:24.53 | Rikle_S | (like for aptana) |
| 22:25.07 | Rikle_S | i can't use your command somiaj ? |
| 22:25.33 | gnarface | well... wine, if you're using nvidia's drivers, is still a big problem. |
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| 22:25.46 | gnarface | most of everything *else* works |
| 22:26.18 | somiaj | Rikle_S: not at all. Try to think about what is going on. the idea is you have two repos, amd64 and i386. If you want to install packages from both you first have to enable your system to know such packages exists, and then tell apt-get or aptitude to install packages from the desired repo. Note due to conflicts between the two repos only certain packages can nicely be installed from both amd64 and i386 at the same time. These are the ... |
| 22:26.24 | somiaj | ... multiarch enabled libs. |
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| 22:26.46 | somiaj | gnarface: have they not fixed that one non multiarch lib preventing the nvidia i386 glx libs from being installed? |
| 22:26.48 | ilreh | somiaj: the old package was libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 which ceased to work in an update of wheezy. so I switched to multiarch and tried to install some 1386 libs (like libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386) but it doesn't seem to work because of dependency issues |
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| 22:27.27 | somiaj | ilreh: there is one libary causing an issue. There is a very well document bug report on that one package. In the bug report is a link to an unoffical source to get multiarch version of the one lib holding you back |
| 22:27.31 | gnarface | somiaj: correct its still just held together with duct tape and bailing twine. ilreh's problem incidentally is identical |
| 22:27.39 | somiaj | ilreh: I have both that package and wine:i386 on my system just fine. |
| 22:28.14 | somiaj | gnarface: I'm surprised that hasn't been fixed by now since it is an easy fix. Must be a lib the offical matainer is away. |
| 22:28.22 | ilreh | interesting. where can I find that bug report? |
| 22:28.49 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm not surprised at all. its a politically charged fix. its been held back for strategic reasons, but since i'm not one of their employees i'm not really sure what exactly. |
| 22:29.00 | somiaj | ilreh: bugs.debian.org/<package name> -- I really don't want to search for it for you. |
| 22:29.14 | un214 | which release is the first wich multiarch? |
| 22:29.24 | somiaj | un214: wheezy will be the first for debian |
| 22:29.31 | ilreh | somiaj: helps, thanks! |
| 22:29.37 | gnarface | somiaj: i imagine they'll release a fix for it the weekend that the linux steam client for ubuntu goes live |
| 22:29.39 | un214 | ah that probably explains why "wine" never upgrades |
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| 22:30.26 | somiaj | ilreh: search for the libary/package that is causing you all the errors when you try to install. It should be the first major depdency issue you see |
| 22:30.31 | Rikle_S | somiaj: my problem is that i have to run Aptana, whitch is not a package, so i just download it un run binarie file |
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| 22:31.11 | Rikle_S | and actually, when i run it, i have an error message |
| 22:31.14 | gnarface | somiaj: someone checked in some temporary fix package, but you will run into a wall trying to upgrade past wine 1.5.6 which is what i imagine everyone is still having issues with here |
| 22:31.17 | somiaj | Rikle_S: if it is a i386 binary then you will need to install the i386 libs that go with it. Hence is why multiarch was created. This way you have a nice method to install the libaries you need and they don't have to be all put into the ugly package called ia32libs |
| 22:31.39 | somiaj | gnarface: really? I am running a self compiled wine 1.5.18 just fine. |
| 22:31.50 | flam-banana | Im having issue with postfix or something? I got my mail server all setup, and sending works. But when I reply to the email I host it doesn't show up |
| 22:31.51 | gnarface | somiaj: but you certainly compiled it in a 32-bit chroot |
| 22:31.51 | ilreh | somiaj: got it! |
| 22:31.53 | wad | I've googled around, and found several different ways of setting the MTU on a network interface. None of them work for me. So I just editoed /etc/rc.local with this line: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 |
| 22:31.58 | wad | Is there a better way? |
| 22:32.01 | flam-banana | anyone know where I should look? |
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| 22:32.16 | somiaj | gnarface: of course, (though I did much around with mixing amd64 and i386 -dev libs for a while before I found out that was futile) (: |
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| 22:32.41 | nkuttler | flam-banana: start with logfiles |
| 22:32.49 | flam-banana | Im there |
| 22:32.52 | flam-banana | nothing looks out of sorts |
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| 22:32.58 | gnarface | somiaj: right. but nobody else is gonna know how to do that. that's why these people are running into issues. *that* solution didn't occur to them yet. you may want to consider suggesting it (i did not, because i'm jaded) |
| 22:33.02 | flam-banana | like I said I can connect to everything just find |
| 22:33.10 | somiaj | wad: how do you bring up your intefaces? I suggest using the /etc/network/interfaces file, there if you cannot add an mtu option specifically you could add that as a pre/post up script |
| 22:33.11 | flam-banana | I reply to the test email with a spare gmail account |
| 22:33.20 | flam-banana | and it doesnt show up on the account on my server |
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| 22:33.42 | flam-banana | I followed this http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze |
| 22:33.46 | somiaj | gnarface: I would if that was the question. I am tired of trying to find the real question people ask. It is never 'how do I install/compile a newer wine' it is always some bizzare subpiece of it. |
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| 22:34.09 | wad | somiaj, I don't bring up my interfaces manually. They are just there when the machine boots up. I'm not sure what it does to bring them up. It's an older version of debian. |
| 22:34.09 | nkuttler | flam-banana: send yourself mail from a server you control, so that you can actually read the logs |
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| 22:34.34 | flam-banana | nkuttler: I have tried sending mail from my own hosted account to the test gmail account and it works |
| 22:34.37 | somiaj | wad: then they are brought up via that interfaces file I gave you |
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| 22:34.54 | somiaj | wad: you should add that command as a postup script to the interface so it is run right after the interface is brought up. |
| 22:35.11 | wad | somiaj, ok |
| 22:35.12 | somiaj | wad: that way if your interface needs to be brough down then back up while the machine is running it gets the effect of the mtu change |
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| 22:35.16 | nkuttler | flam-banana: you have problems *getting* mail on your server, right? |
| 22:35.18 | wad | right |
| 22:35.29 | flam-banana | correct |
| 22:35.30 | Guest32453 | Someone from South America? |
| 22:35.31 | somiaj | wad: man 5 interfaces for syntax on that file |
| 22:35.36 | wad | ok |
| 22:35.45 | nkuttler | folivora: so *send* a mail *to* your server from a box you control |
| 22:35.59 | flam-banana | local to local |
| 22:36.01 | flam-banana | is what you mean |
| 22:36.03 | flam-banana | ? |
| 22:36.09 | nkuttler | flam-banana: no |
| 22:36.16 | gnarface | sighs |
| 22:36.25 | gnarface | somiaj: yea, i know :( |
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| 22:36.52 | shingouz | wad: at least with a static ip on the interface, you can set the mtu straight from the file according to the man page |
| 22:37.00 | wad | somiaj, hmm, yeah |
| 22:37.11 | wad | somiaj, the WAN IP is dynamically set by the ISP. |
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| 22:37.27 | wad | They set the MTU to 576. |
| 22:37.36 | wad | Which doesn't work for me. >_< |
| 22:37.41 | flam-banana | Ive tried sending mail from my own server account, to itself, and that didnt appear either |
| 22:37.56 | wad | I tried pinging various sized packets, and I can set it at 1500. |
| 22:37.57 | flam-banana | so I tried test@mydomain, to himself |
| 22:38.02 | flam-banana | and nothing appears in the inbox |
| 22:38.25 | wad | If the WAN interface is at a MTU of 1500, what should I set the LAN side to be? |
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| 22:38.45 | BoozeWooz | from hi |
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| 22:39.16 | somiaj | wad: you may be able to configure dhclient to ignore the ips's mtu setting info as well. That could be an additional option to look at |
| 22:39.28 | somiaj | wad: the postup script as well |
| 22:39.37 | wad | nods. Thanks. |
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| 22:40.04 | monadicity | hello |
| 22:40.18 | monadicity | could anyone tell me how to disable left control and shift buttons please? |
| 22:40.32 | wad | Should I set the LAN interface's MTU to be the same as the WAN interface? |
| 22:40.44 | somiaj | monadicity: why do you want to disable them? What is it you don't want to happen? |
| 22:41.00 | monadicity | when I push it it shouldn't do control or shit |
| 22:41.02 | monadicity | shift* |
| 22:41.03 | somiaj | wad: #networking may know more about that. I am not familar with mtu setting, I just let defaults hit |
| 22:41.08 | kanliot | lol |
| 22:41.18 | somiaj | monadicity: what should it do? Nothign? So make a custom keymap and load it? |
| 22:41.25 | monadicity | yes, nothing |
| 22:41.29 | wad | somiaj, okay, cool. Yeah, my stupid ISP defaults to 576. Ugh. |
| 22:41.35 | flam-banana | nkuttler: anything? |
| 22:41.37 | monadicity | how do I make the custom keymap? |
| 22:41.48 | somiaj | monadicity: if you were trying to disable them as modifiers, you could check xmodmap |
| 22:42.11 | somiaj | monadicity: I would look up google for that. You ahve an unsual request so you may have to do some research. |
| 22:42.15 | monadicity | thank you |
| 22:42.29 | somiaj | monadicity: but now you have an idea that will work. Just make a customkey map, don't assoicate any action with those keys |
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| 22:46.26 | monadicity | thank you very much somiaj i was able to do it with this command |
| 22:46.35 | monadicity | xmodmap -e 'clear Control' -e 'add Control = Control_R' -e 'clear Shift' -e 'add Shift = Shift_R' |
| 22:47.05 | somiaj | monadicity: so you didn't want to disable the keys, you wanted to disable the modifiers. I asked what you wanted to really do, you should answer. (: |
| 22:47.07 | monadicity | do you know how I could make it save this so when i start up again its the same? |
| 22:47.24 | monadicity | I dont know what you mean |
| 22:47.35 | monadicity | i am holding left shit while i type this |
| 22:47.44 | monadicity | shift* |
| 22:47.56 | monadicity | and it doesn't make ti upper case, or do anything |
| 22:48.24 | monadicity | what do you mean? |
| 22:48.26 | somiaj | monadicity: type xev -- go hit shift in the window that appears. It tells you that you are hitting the shift key. They key itself has not been disabled |
| 22:48.39 | monadicity | i understand |
| 22:48.42 | somiaj | monadicity: you just turned off the modifier which is different. |
| 22:48.56 | somiaj | monadicity: man xmodmap for more info on modifiers |
| 22:49.14 | monadicity | sorry somiaj i had not even considered the distinction between these things, that is very subtle - either would be fine |
| 22:49.37 | somiaj | monadicity: yea the keymap can completely disable the key, that just turns off the modifies. (: |
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| 22:49.48 | monadicity | but what i would like to know is how to make it save this option? |
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| 22:50.34 | somiaj | monadicity: take that command you wrote and add it to your start options for your window manager |
| 22:50.52 | somiaj | monadicity: since this can depend on how you start x (do you use a dm or startx) and your windowmanager I can't tell you more than just that. |
| 22:50.54 | monadicity | thanks ill read about that |
| 22:51.28 | somiaj | monadicity: one common way is add that command to .xsession or .xinitrc, but if you use a display manager those files are ignored for some sessions |
| 22:51.47 | monadicity | i use lxde |
| 22:52.02 | monadicity | could i use one of the .x file then? |
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| 22:52.38 | Enmity | exit |
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| 22:53.28 | kanliot | monadicity, you use lightdm or what? |
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| 22:53.42 | monadicity | I dont know, i just installed debian and chose lxde |
| 22:53.50 | monadicity | oh, i think it's openbox |
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| 22:54.30 | kanliot | monad city i was thinking mendacity |
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| 22:55.30 | kanliot | i think ps -e|grep dm might tell you |
| 22:55.44 | kanliot | on me it says lightdm |
| 22:55.48 | monadicity | it says gdm |
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| 22:55.55 | kanliot | k |
| 22:56.00 | monadicity | what does that mean? |
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| 22:57.39 | kanliot | you use gdm |
| 22:57.41 | somiaj | monadicity: look up lxde start up programs. |
| 22:58.00 | somiaj | monadicity: try to add that xmodmap command to your start up programs. |
| 22:58.06 | monadicity | ok |
| 22:58.09 | somiaj | monadicity: I think it is worth the excercise |
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| 23:00.31 | ilreh | somiaj: found patched .deb packages for those nvidia libs and now I can run 32bit accelerated apps - thanks for your help |
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| 23:01.52 | somiaj | ilreh: good job. |
| 23:02.11 | monadicity | how does a newpiece of software get added to the debian repos/ |
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| 23:02.59 | gnarface | monadicity: some people have permission to. |
| 23:03.39 | gnarface | monadicity: you become a debian mantainer or you get someone to sponsor your package |
| 23:03.49 | gnarface | monadicity: (who is a debian maintainer) |
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| 23:05.37 | gnarface | dpkg, tell monadicity about nmg |
| 23:05.41 | somiaj | there is a page you can make requests, I forget what it is though |
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| 23:05.57 | somiaj | you can request a piece of software be added. Though the active approach is to find a mentor |
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| 23:06.17 | dokma | damn.... I forgot the command to install Debian on a partition from a live system?? |
| 23:06.24 | gnarface | debootstrap |
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| 23:07.55 | dokma | yeah... |
| 23:08.36 | terr_ | now can a debian system lose its keyboard region code w/o anyone changing it? This happened on one of my systems |
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| 23:08.54 | msl09 | Hi, my apt-config reports no language other than english. How do I add more? |
| 23:09.01 | dokma | of course... there is no debootstrap on my rescue system :D |
| 23:09.39 | valeriusN | dokma but it's there in Knoppix, for example ;) |
| 23:10.01 | dokma | valeriusL: this is a dedicated box a few thousand km away |
| 23:10.10 | dokma | not too easy to insert a knoppix cd |
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| 23:12.18 | valeriusN | dokma that's bad... -- but if you have a Debian system somewhere in separate directory, then you can chroot in it and then run debootstrap. It seems that debootstrap must present by default in each Debian installation... And ubuntu too |
| 23:12.41 | dokma | I don't |
| 23:12.50 | dokma | I have centos on sda |
| 23:13.02 | dokma | sdb was empty so I wanted to put debian there |
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| 23:13.07 | themill | dpkg: tell msl09 about apt translation |
| 23:13.15 | dokma | but I guess I should explain my main reason for doing this |
| 23:13.43 | somiaj | dokma: what kind of live system are you in? getting debootstrap ont hat live system may be possible |
| 23:13.44 | dokma | I have this php benchmark script and on centos I'm getting insane results of like 5 seconds compared to 30+ seconds for php on debian |
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| 23:14.20 | dokma | somiaj: uname -a --> Linux sysresccd 2.6.35-std160-i386 #4 SMP Sat Sep 11 13:04:26 UTC 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G850 @ 2.90GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 23:15.00 | somiaj | dokma: that doesn't help me. But many distributions provide debootstrap to be installed. So either install that or download it into your live enviroment. |
| 23:15.31 | dokma | somiaj: I guess I'd need to get binary version |
| 23:15.39 | dokma | there is no compiler in this rescue... |
| 23:15.47 | somiaj | dokma: and really how you do that in your non debian live system is not a #debian question. (: |
| 23:15.57 | somiaj | dokma: I think it is mostly a script that uses wget. |
| 23:16.33 | somiaj | yea debootstrap is just an shell script. It uses wget and some other common tools |
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| 23:16.39 | valeriusN | dokma and, you can copy debootstrap to your centos, together with apt and dpkg (I tried to install yum and rpm in debian, so I suspect that it's possible to install apt and dpkg and debootstrap to Centos. Debootstrap is just a script indeed) |
| 23:16.41 | somiaj | in that case you can just try to download the script |
| 23:17.05 | dokma | will do that... |
| 23:17.06 | somiaj | valeriusN: you don't need apt/dpkg installed for debootstrap. They will be installed in the chroot and you can use them once you chroot into it |
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| 23:17.49 | valeriusN | somiaj that makes things even easier, so, he need only debootstrap |
| 23:18.04 | kanliot | doesnt' debian need to control the kernel? can you install debian on a chroot? |
| 23:18.15 | somiaj | and provided he has wget and what other basic tools, yea he just needs that script. He can probably use wget to get it too |
| 23:18.53 | somiaj | kanliot: you don't need a kernel inside a chroot. But part of this manual way to install debian, once you chroot into your debootstrap minimal install, installing a kernel, setting up grub, fstab and other things to make it bootable are needed. |
| 23:19.57 | somiaj | kanliot: so yes if you want to make the install bootable you have a bit of work after you set up the debootstrap chroot |
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| 23:20.57 | kanliot | eh, i only have a vague idea of what a chroot is. I WILL do some reading, and really i'll be reading about debbootstrap also |
| 23:21.42 | somiaj | kanliot: it is a remapping of root, / |
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| 23:22.50 | kanliot | chroot = / |
| 23:22.54 | kanliot | any questions? |
| 23:22.56 | kanliot | hehehe |
| 23:23.15 | terr_ | did anyone offer a guess to my quesiton? How can a Debian or any linux system for that matter lose its keyboard region settings with no one doing a reconfig? It happened on one of my systems. KB suddenly went nutz |
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| 23:23.22 | somiaj | kanliot: it is a remapping of root. so chroot /path/to/some/dir, makes it act like /path/to/some/dir is /, and thus you need pieces of yoru os inthere to run things. |
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| 23:27.39 | muslims | مرحبا |
| 23:27.50 | muslims | الأقسام لاتفتح |
| 23:27.55 | Theoden | :/ |
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| 23:28.33 | lucky__ | Hi by default, on debian server , there is no gcc ? |
| 23:28.35 | muslims | ما الulg ? |
| 23:28.52 | muslims | ما العمل ؟ |
| 23:29.15 | Enmity | some progress getting my wireless working, I have the icon light up on the keyboard and iwlist scan brings up ap in the area, but using the little icon on the taskbar that used to bring up wireless access points when detected now says device not managed. Any ideas? |
| 23:29.51 | wols | lucky__: there is no "defaults" for debian, not really. there is gcc if you select it in tasksel at installation or if you install it afterwards |
| 23:30.17 | wols | Enmity: remove any reference to your wlan from your interfaces file |
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| 23:34.25 | alfplayer | you don't have a response for Arabic? |
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| 23:36.51 | terr_ | I'm being told they don't make "nettop" computers any more. Is this true? |
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| 23:39.26 | lucky__ | wols: if you didn't choose at the install , what will happen ? |
| 23:39.36 | wols | lucky__: nothing |
| 23:39.38 | lucky__ | I mean, is there any other compiler ? |
| 23:39.43 | lucky__ | C compiler* |
| 23:39.51 | wols | no |
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| 23:41.33 | phlux | I'm trying to upgrade my Debian VPS, but I can's install anything since udev needs to be upgraded, and it isn't compatible with my kernel. "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" returns nothing, and I can't issue "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" without it erroring out and complaining about udev. Any ideas? |
| 23:42.01 | wols | you can only tell your hoster to use a more current kernel |
| 23:42.15 | phlux | wols: can i ignore udev for now? |
| 23:42.21 | Arrowmaster | or switch to a real vps instead of a container provider |
| 23:42.39 | wols | phlux: not really |
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| 23:42.58 | wols | phlux: tell your hoster to update the kernel. you cannot really run a current linux distro on it |
| 23:43.01 | somiaj | phlux: uname -a |
| 23:43.06 | somiaj | phlux: I want the kernel your VPS is running? |
| 23:43.23 | somiaj | phlux: yea wols got ya, if your host won't give you a udev compadable kernel you can't run squeeze on it. |
| 23:43.28 | phlux | Linux tide.ewnix.net 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 17 00:54:08 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:43.47 | Arrowmaster | hah i was about to guess 2.6.26 or 28 |
| 23:44.11 | somiaj | talk to your host about moving to a xen machine with a 2.6.32 kernel on it, they should be able to do the upgrade for you cause it is more complicated than just you upgrading your vps guest. The host needs to be upgraded too |
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| 23:44.31 | somiaj | if you have started the upgrade, hopefully you can undo what you did easily |
| 23:44.45 | Arrowmaster | the host probably doesnt offer xen |
| 23:44.55 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 23:45.07 | Arrowmaster | why is it a xen kernel if he cant upgrade the kernel |
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| 23:45.34 | Arrowmaster | its usually openvz you see this with |
| 23:47.25 | phlux | well, i'd assume i could go back to where i was by doing a ":%s/wheezy/squeeze/g" on my sources.list..(i was running squeeze) |
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| 23:56.26 | phlux | well now i'm in a pickle |
| 23:56.43 | phlux | i tried running 'apt-get upgrade' after an 'apt-get update' and i still can't because of udev |
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| 23:57.29 | debconf | hi, I have to install a kde/debian system in an environment where security is important, while testing I saw that any user can mount certain filesystems/devices using some kde gismo, how can I prevent that? |
| 23:57.43 | debconf | I have no user mounts in fstab |
| 23:57.57 | rryoumaa | debconf: isn't that all just permissions? |
| 23:58.06 | somiaj | debconf: policykit I think is what is allowing for this |
| 23:58.11 | phlux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.14 | rryoumaa | huh |
| 23:58.18 | phlux | should i just run apt-get -f install? |
| 23:58.34 | somiaj | phlux: you may have to manaully fix your issues here |
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| 23:59.24 | debconf | rryoumaa: the devices in question have gid set to floppy, but I don't know why |
| 23:59.25 | somiaj | debconf: There are other daemons running in the background to automount stuff and so forth. Maybe #kde will have a better idea as to how to turn off those. |
| 23:59.40 | phlux | somiaj: how so? |
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