| 00:00.15 | somiaj | phlux: wasn't your original system lenny (not squeeze) because squeeze needs udev too. That kernel is from lenny |
| 00:00.15 | debconf | somiaj: thanks, do you know how to stop policykit |
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| 00:00.29 | somiaj | debconf: no clue. I try to avoid all this desktop crap that keeps sneaking into my system. |
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| 00:01.16 | debconf | somiaj: yeap, I'd prefer that too:-( |
| 00:01.29 | somiaj | debconf: but policykit is a daemon that is ment for desktops to give users additional permisions not easily granted via other means. |
| 00:02.01 | somiaj | debconf: again #kde might have better advise as to what to configure/turn off. I don't know the details of how they work. |
| 00:02.47 | phlux | somiaj: lenny also requires udev |
| 00:02.52 | debconf | somiaj: okay, I'll have a look in there, but why are some devices set gid to floppy? an udev bug? |
| 00:02.53 | phlux | (right?) |
| 00:03.48 | somiaj | phlux: no lenny does not. |
| 00:04.02 | somiaj | phlux: udev was introduced in squeeze (partly why the lenny -> squeeze update is so terrible) |
| 00:04.18 | somiaj | phlux: were you trying to upgrade from lenny -> wheezy if so you may have additional issues. Debian is only designed to go one release at a time. |
| 00:04.19 | phlux | somiaj: I see. So after changing my sources.list to reflect lenny, I should just 'apt-get -f install'? |
| 00:04.34 | somiaj | phlux: that most likely won't work, you will have to manually fix all the issues you created |
| 00:04.49 | phlux | somiaj: Hmm..looks like it did |
| 00:05.31 | somiaj | also lenny is not on the mirrors anymore, you will have to use archive.debian.org |
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| 00:07.31 | phlux | somiaj: even for security? |
| 00:07.40 | phlux | or should that remain security.debian.org? |
| 00:07.43 | somiaj | lenny no longer has security |
| 00:07.48 | somiaj | and has not had security for about a year now |
| 00:07.56 | phlux | well, that's not good |
| 00:08.07 | somiaj | (provided by debian.org, I would hope that your vps provides secruity for its lenny guests) |
| 00:08.37 | themill | you can run lenny's udev with the old kernel and the rest of squeeze on top of it if you really need to |
| 00:08.50 | phlux | nah, i don't really need to |
| 00:09.02 | phlux | was just wanting a few up-to-date packages, but i'll just build them from source |
| 00:11.43 | somiaj | phlux: some newer stuff is in lenny-backports (on archive.debian.org) |
| 00:12.21 | phlux | somiaj: for some reason, after changing my sources.list and running "apt-get update," "apt-get upgrade," and "apt-get dist-upgrade," isn't doing much (as far as installing packages) |
| 00:12.32 | phlux | it just says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 0 not upgraded.. |
| 00:13.12 | somiaj | phlux: you were running lenny to start with? Were you using your isp's special sources? |
| 00:13.31 | phlux | i was not using any special sources, no |
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| 00:14.36 | somiaj | well the kernel of your vps suggest that you were running lenny, so I hope that is the case. You shouldn't have any packages to upgrade since you were already uptodate. You should go and manually downgrade any packages that got messed up in this process |
| 00:15.32 | phlux | Well, that is going to take a few weeks. 508 packages installed. |
| 00:15.38 | phlux | And I have no idea which ones |
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| 00:16.36 | somiaj | phlux: aptitude search is powerful enough to figure that out, I forget the command though, look it up> (: |
| 00:16.53 | themill | !not available |
| 00:16.53 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 00:17.11 | themill | I *think* that works with lenny's aptitude as well. |
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| 00:17.51 | phlux | thanks |
| 00:18.53 | somiaj | phlux: note if that lists all your installed apckages then you probabaly wern't running lenny to start with. But I don't want to guess what your vps was doing. |
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| 00:24.32 | n0c | jelly: re X in a chroot i meant xserver and clients |
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| 00:24.54 | n0c | or, can the server run on the regular system and the x client in a chroot (i suspect not without serious tweaking) |
| 00:25.05 | n0c | since separation is the point of jails/chroot to begin wiht |
| 00:25.27 | somiaj | n0c: actually you can just mount --bind /tmp and software inside the chroot can access the xsocket and only needs the xlibs (which it depends on) inside the chroot |
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| 00:25.43 | n0c | intersting |
| 00:25.49 | n0c | to the facility is inbuilt i guess |
| 00:25.53 | somiaj | n0c: so you need to be able to access the socket. You will probabaly have to create a user with the same uid inside the chroot for this though |
| 00:26.02 | n0c | gotcha |
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| 00:26.45 | n0c | dumb question, how do i tell what driver my tty's are using as far as video |
| 00:27.11 | somiaj | n0c: with a default debian kernel, I would look for the runnign modules |
| 00:27.43 | somiaj | n0c: lsmod lists them, look for kms moduels, or the older framebuffer modules. |
| 00:28.05 | n0c | yeah just wondering if it was determinable somewhere else |
| 00:28.20 | n0c | xorg log shows fbdev being loaded into xorg but |
| 00:28.29 | n0c | i don't think that's the same thing as the ttys |
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| 00:29.43 | Flynsarmy | how do I find out what's using up all my ram in debian squeeze? seems i have a memory leak somewhere |
| 00:29.49 | Flynsarmy | from the terminal |
| 00:29.55 | n0c | sudo hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 00:30.03 | n0c | i guess i can do that, after installing hwinfo |
| 00:30.10 | n0c | meh i'd rather know the native base tools way |
| 00:30.12 | Jordan_U | Flynsarmy: How are you determining how much RAM your system is using? |
| 00:30.23 | Flynsarmy | Jordan_U: free -m |
| 00:30.27 | n0c | Flynsarmy: you could use atop and focus on ram |
| 00:30.37 | Arrowmaster | Flynsarmy: are you sure? www.linuxatemyram.com |
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| 00:31.01 | Flynsarmy | Arrowmaster: well the machine freezes after a day of use and free -m drops constantly throughout the day |
| 00:31.17 | n0c | !oomkiller |
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| 03:51.29 | monadicity | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Zvz6xznm |
| 03:51.31 | monadicity | is this ok? |
| 03:51.48 | monadicity | thast when i tried to run aptitude install workrave |
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| 03:53.45 | dvs | monadicity: What's wrong with that? it has to get the dependencies too |
| 03:54.09 | monadicity | ok |
| 03:54.19 | monadicity | ill hit Y |
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| 03:56.56 | guest___ | found the problem. /bin/sh > /bin/dash changed the bang line in /etc/gdm/Xsession from #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash and all works fine now. odd but true. |
| 03:57.33 | Arrowmaster | thats not a good fix |
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| 03:57.48 | guest___ | maybe a bug in the squeeze package or maybe just an incompat on the upgrade |
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| 03:58.16 | somethinginteres | just ended up disabling on board sound |
| 03:58.19 | Arrowmaster | squeeze used dash too i thought |
| 03:58.20 | somiaj | guest___: dash is the default shell on debian and should remain that way (install, upgrade and other scripts assume it is dash) |
| 03:58.28 | guest___ | arrowmaster yeah but that's all it will get from me right now. |
| 03:58.56 | guest___ | somiaj and your point is ? |
| 03:59.23 | engla_ | sounds like that Xession file is broken, that's a bug in that package |
| 03:59.31 | guest___ | upgraded from lenny to squeeze today |
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| 03:59.48 | Infiltrator | guest___: Congrats. |
| 03:59.56 | guest___ | engla_ agreed |
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| 04:00.01 | Infiltrator | Not long to go till squeeze is EOL, though. :P |
| 04:00.35 | guest___ | it will be eol here when i'm finished using it :))) |
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| 04:01.23 | zykotick9 | Infiltrator: i'd say over a year, is not a "short" period? |
| 04:01.25 | somiaj | Infiltrator: at least a year. |
| 04:01.39 | somiaj | (one year past wheezy release) |
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| 04:05.18 | safridzal | i just enabled multiarch on my debian kde testing, and now i want to dist-upgrade to sid and i just realize that i have alot of duplicate packages.. is it OK to just remove the 64bit package? apt seems like prefering i368 to amd64 |
| 04:05.23 | Infiltrator | Well, a lot shorter than he probably spend on lenny, anyway. |
| 04:06.01 | safridzal | Infiltrator: so? remove or not? |
| 04:06.18 | somiaj | safridzal: the multiarch is mostly for libaries, You want to have duplicate libaries. |
| 04:06.36 | somiaj | safridzal: that is what allows you to run different binaries is having the libaries of the correct arch. |
| 04:07.01 | safridzal | owh.. so i need both of them?? |
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| 04:07.29 | somiaj | Most likely. |
| 04:07.37 | somiaj | I don't know what multiarch binaries you need support for. |
| 04:08.05 | safridzal | well, i install googleearth and fglrx |
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| 04:09.12 | safridzal | and want to install wine, so i have to enable multiarch |
| 04:09.32 | somiaj | and you will probabaly need a good amount of multiarch libs for all those |
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| 04:10.15 | cnz | does debian have a pre-made package for ati radeon cards |
| 04:10.47 | somiaj | cnz: debian has two ways to support radeon cards |
| 04:11.01 | zykotick9 | !tell cnz about ati |
| 04:11.23 | somiaj | cnz: the 'radeon' driver is free and the default, you may want linux-firmware-nonfree if you want a bit better 3d support. fglrx can be installed if you want ati's non-free driver. |
| 04:12.40 | cnz | somiaj, K for some reason my hdmi is showing up in the sound properties for my card, but I have no sound, dunno if it's a vc driver issue or what |
| 04:14.12 | somiaj | cnz: hdmi audio works just fine on my laptop with a radeon free driver. cat /proc/asound/cards -- you should proabaly have different cards tehre |
| 04:14.56 | monadicity | how do i change the volume? |
| 04:15.36 | somiaj | monadicity: I use alsamixer |
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| 04:15.48 | monadicity | thanks |
| 04:15.58 | somiaj | there are some graphical frontends to it, or many desktops have the option to add a volume control to their pannel |
| 04:16.33 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/DPyHRQcN |
| 04:16.41 | cnz | somiaj that's my cards output for sound |
| 04:16.53 | cnz | so doesn't look like the ati driver was installed? |
| 04:17.08 | shadow_fox | is there any way that i can discard any changes to done to the file system and go back to the vanilla version cause i have changed a lot in the core files... |
| 04:17.21 | somiaj | cnz: well not sure which sound card is what, but with alsamixer you can see the sound settings for both cards. You may need to change your default sound card if it isn't number 1. |
| 04:17.49 | cnz | hhmm do that in the sound properties right |
| 04:18.23 | cnz | alsamixer isn't installed |
| 04:18.26 | cnz | installing it now |
| 04:19.38 | somiaj | I modify my ~/.asoundrc but not sure what sort of fancy desktop tools there are out there |
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| 04:23.38 | cnz | somiaj, ok so how should I go about finding out why my sound isn't working |
| 04:23.52 | somiaj | cnz: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 04:24.56 | shadow_fox | is there any way that i can discard any changes to done to the file system and go back to the vanilla version cause i have changed a lot in the core files... {Sorry for repeating again. internet problem... } |
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| 04:27.09 | cnz | somiaj, that didn't help |
| 04:28.25 | somiaj | shadow_fox: not unless you make backups to restore. By default changes to the filesystem are perment. |
| 04:28.42 | somiaj | shadow_fox: what chages did you make that you want to undo? |
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| 04:28.59 | cnz | somiaj http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Wheezy that section makes no sense |
| 04:29.25 | cnz | by the way it's worded it sounds like fglrx is installed with the os |
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| 04:30.42 | shadow_fox | somiaj: actually i tried to install some softwares for that reason i changed a lot file permission in the core, and also a lot of files are scattered which should have in the core but i created to install for those specific softwares ... now i dont remember which file permission have changed and all |
| 04:31.37 | shadow_fox | after a update the whole system is acting weird. for example the wifi device not ready showing while it was there before the update |
| 04:32.01 | shadow_fox | and also the shutdown option in the system menu is vanished :( |
| 04:32.13 | somiaj | shadow_fox: I don't follow what you mean. what are the core files. Are they files that should be managed with dpkg and you are just modifing them, or are you talking about config files? |
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| 04:32.28 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble with a computer not shutting down properly. Looks like all's well but I get a message, "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" and the computer doesn't power off |
| 04:32.53 | Vasistha | I see no such problem when in single-user-mode, only happens when trying to shutdown from runlevel 2 |
| 04:33.28 | Vasistha | MrFrood: btw... dunno if you're around ... I finally got around to doing some more tests here |
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| 04:33.49 | shadow_fox | somiaj: such as the /usr/ folder files |
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| 04:35.55 | somiaj | shadow_fox: you should not be modifing files like that. You can try to reinstall all debian packages and put things back but depending on what you did you may still have ghosts hiding in there |
| 04:36.46 | shadow_fox | somiaj: thats what i fear. |
| 04:37.09 | somiaj | if you don't know what you did, maybe just reinstalling from scratch would be best |
| 04:37.38 | shadow_fox | I can install wheezy right.... i dont want to develope anything though |
| 04:37.44 | shadow_fox | thats the option i am still looking |
| 04:38.05 | cnz | somiaj http://pastebin.com/6ztHihWf |
| 04:38.09 | cnz | any idea how to fix that |
| 04:38.26 | somiaj | shadow_fox: /msg dpkg reinstall (he has some options to just reinstall all packages) |
| 04:39.44 | somiaj | cnz: you are in X right? |
| 04:39.49 | cnz | nope |
| 04:39.56 | cnz | logged out and stopped gdm3 |
| 04:40.12 | cnz | all I see is a blank screen blinking cursor on all ttys |
| 04:41.06 | shadow_fox | somiaj: it looks complicated i will start over i guess. there is nothing in the box really some web application that i am developing thats it. i can move them in the flash drive. |
| 04:41.08 | somiaj | well radeon driver uses kms as well, so your framebuffer is running (you have high res ttys?) |
| 04:41.21 | somiaj | shadow_fox: 'aptitude reinstall ~i' looks complicated? |
| 04:41.40 | cnz | somiaj not sure what the res of ttys are I don't think they are very high |
| 04:41.43 | cnz | 800x600 I think |
| 04:42.04 | somiaj | cnz: well I'm just making a guess, either gdm/xorg is using radeom, or your tty's are because radeon uses kms |
| 04:42.58 | shadow_fox | somiaj: nah reinstalling those packages thats it |
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| 04:43.25 | alusion | I was wondering how to scroll through the messages in mailx ? |
| 04:43.30 | cnz | somiaj neither gdm or xorg are running |
| 04:43.50 | alecst | Hi guys. I'm at my parent's house and I'm having trouble getting my wireless working. How do I know which drivers I need to download, and where do I get them from? |
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| 04:44.19 | somiaj | alecst: what are you having trouble get working. /sbin/ifconfig -a (do you see a wireless card there?) |
| 04:44.26 | Vasistha | shadow_fox: I have to ask, why is it that you want to use wheezy instead of squeeze? Of course I guess wheezy is frozen so it's not so bad ... but if you are fooling around changing files in /usr it makes me think perhaps you shouldn't be using a testing distro |
| 04:44.50 | Vasistha | alecst: the first thing to do is figure out what radio is in your wireless card |
| 04:45.17 | Vasistha | alecst: ...also, has wireless worked on this computer before? |
| 04:45.27 | alecst | Vasistha: yes to the latter question |
| 04:45.40 | Vasistha | alecst: when did it stop? what changed? |
| 04:45.50 | alecst | somiaj: I have a wireless card |
| 04:46.16 | alecst | Vasistha: I've never tired to get it to work with this router before. new debian install, just got home for the first time. found out i couldn't get into the router |
| 04:46.17 | somiaj | alecst: so you see a wlan0 in the ouput of that command? |
| 04:46.32 | shadow_fox | Vasistha: i just wandering is it ok to use wheezy ? I have squeeze in my box, just wandering :) |
| 04:46.40 | alecst | somiaj: yes |
| 04:46.43 | somiaj | alecst: do you know if your wireless card works just fine (you have the driver and firmware loaded?) |
| 04:46.48 | Vasistha | !tell shadow_fox about testing |
| 04:47.14 | alecst | somiaj: i haven't had a problem after i installed the right drivers at my home. i can use it at every coffee shop. this is the first issue i've had |
| 04:47.16 | somiaj | alecst: in that case you need to figure out the wireless network, does it use wpa or wep and what are you using to manage/configure your wireless card (network-manager?) |
| 04:47.37 | shadow_fox | Vasistha; aye got it... |
| 04:47.49 | alecst | somiaj: wpa/wpa2 and i'm using gnome network manager |
| 04:48.03 | Vasistha | shadow_fox: but that aside, you should basically never change anything in /usr |
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| 04:49.24 | shadow_fox | Vasistha: yeah i knew. but things happnd. now i am middle of lot of things that looks not-ok |
| 04:49.34 | somiaj | alecst: do you have wpa_supplicant installed? |
| 04:50.08 | alecst | somiaj: i don't think so |
| 04:50.10 | alecst | somiaj: i just did an aptitude search and it didn't come up |
| 04:50.20 | alecst | not sure if that's the right way to check, honestly |
| 04:50.27 | alusion | does anyone here use a text based email client such as mail / mailx? I was wondering how I can scroll to my newest messages |
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| 04:50.52 | Vasistha | shadow_fox: so... next time "things happen", do something different, don't go messing with system files unless they are in /etc and you've got good advice |
| 04:51.29 | somiaj | alecst: dpkg -l | grep wpasupplicant |
| 04:51.35 | shadow_fox | Vasistha: thats the plan. |
| 04:51.47 | Vasistha | shadow_fox: I guess you've learned your lesson :) heh |
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| 04:52.12 | shadow_fox | Vasistha: Still learning. |
| 04:52.54 | alecst | somiaj: think i have it in there |
| 04:53.17 | alecst | somiaj: when i searched without the underscore and i tried to install it, it said 0 new packages to be installed, guess that means it's there? |
| 04:53.21 | Vasistha | alusion: have you asked google? |
| 04:54.06 | somiaj | alecst: that dpkg -l | grep wpasupplicant should have checked if it was isntalled. I don't know what the issue is then? Are you sure you are checking wpa as opposed to wep and have the wireless info correct for the router? |
| 04:54.48 | Vasistha | alecst: you can also do dpkg -l wpasupplicant -- if it says "ii" at the beginning of the line that means it's installed |
| 04:55.11 | alecst | Vasistha: in that case it's instaled |
| 04:55.28 | alecst | somiaj: how do i make sure it's checking wpa instead of wep? |
| 04:55.39 | somiaj | I don't know, I don't use network-manager |
| 04:55.39 | alecst | somiaj: i'm not sure gnome network manager gives me the option |
| 04:55.44 | alecst | unless i'm already connected |
| 04:56.05 | somiaj | alecst: do you see an ip assigned to your device when you type '/sbin/ifconfig -a' ? |
| 04:56.09 | somiaj | your wireless device |
| 04:56.29 | alecst | well i'm on it right now... just plugged in via LAN |
| 04:57.00 | alecst | so i'm assigned an ip |
| 04:57.06 | alecst | but it's obviously not from the wireless |
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| 04:57.53 | somiaj | alecst: that should list the output of both cards |
| 04:58.35 | alecst | somiaj: should i just pastebin it for you? |
| 04:59.06 | somiaj | alecst: if you would like |
| 05:00.36 | alecst | somiaj: here ya go http://pastebin.com/4MrvSgjf |
| 05:01.26 | somiaj | alecst: yea your wlan0 doesn't have an ip assigned to it. Since it works on other wireless networks it is just a setting thing, keep playing with network manager |
| 05:02.02 | alecst | somiaj: any advice on how to play with the network manager? it's not like i can do anything with the settings... there are no settings buttons -.- |
| 05:02.42 | somiaj | no clue, I configure my wireless devices manually |
| 05:02.42 | alecst | just an options button that's greyed out until i connect to a network |
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| 05:06.25 | cnz | somiaj, I have tried everything and still no sound |
| 05:06.34 | cnz | the info dpkg gives is no help either |
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| 05:08.38 | alecst | somiaj: i tried disabling the password and network manager still asks me for one! |
| 05:08.49 | alecst | somiaj: i think the problem might be network manager |
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| 05:09.57 | somiaj | (: |
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| 05:24.36 | pce | how do i test if my CPU is good for virtualization? |
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| 05:25.44 | pce | i do: grep --color svm /proc/cpuinfo but get now answer |
| 05:26.24 | somiaj | pce: do you have an intel or amd cpu? |
| 05:26.44 | pce | amd and i do grep --color vmx /proc/cpuinfo also |
| 05:26.58 | somiaj | do you get any output from that? |
| 05:27.01 | pce | no |
| 05:27.08 | somiaj | do you know what your cpu is? |
| 05:27.13 | somiaj | that means you don't have support |
| 05:27.23 | somiaj | like which amd (because it is rare newer amds don't have that) |
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| 05:28.07 | pce | sorry, its a Intel Atom 230/D425 |
| 05:28.30 | somiaj | oh so it is an intel chip. Yea intel chips seem to not have support as often |
| 05:28.48 | somiaj | and yes vmx is the intel version, so 'grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 05:28.55 | somiaj | if you get no output you don't have support |
| 05:29.21 | bkcoffma | Hello, can anyone tell me what the difference between debian-6.0.6 and debian-update-6.0.6 is? They only seem to be a day apart in age. |
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| 05:30.01 | pce | somiaj: ok thank you |
| 05:31.20 | somiaj | bkcoffma: where are you seeing this? |
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| 05:36.39 | cnz | somiaj, how do I reload my /etc/network/interfaces file without rebooting |
| 05:36.41 | bkcoffma | somiaj: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 05:39.59 | somiaj | bkcoffma: I don't know for sure what debian-update-6.0.6 is. I do know that debian has security updates and bug fixes/updates (called squeeze-updates) over time. So all 6.0.6 is is 6.0.5 + all the updates. |
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| 05:40.36 | somiaj | bkcoffma: so my assumption would be it has some of the updates since 6.0.6. I personally would go with debian-6.0.6 and then just get the seucirty updates and squeeze-updates after you install |
| 05:42.14 | bkcoffma | Okay. Makes sense. Thank you very much. |
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| 05:53.47 | Jef91 | anyone know off hand where alsamixer stores its config files |
| 05:54.26 | dcherniv | Jef91, /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
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| 06:01.30 | Jef91 | dcherniv: is there a config file that holds all the data/values you change using alsamixer? Liking muting/unmuting certain channels and changing levels |
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| 06:05.00 | zykotick9 | Jef91: is it that you just and them saved? if so "alsactl store" might help. |
| 06:05.10 | zykotick9 | s/and/want/ |
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| 06:23.57 | safridzal | i have a badsig error on apt-get update (on googlechrome and mendeleydesktop repo).. tried http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=63299 but not working.. any suggestion? |
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| 06:31.47 | lasers | How can I file a request for a bitlbee package to be backported? There are no mention of that on Wiki-Debian-Backports site. |
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| 06:33.52 | zykotick9 | safridzal: i suspect you are looking for suggestions beyond, "stop using non-free software"... |
| 06:35.22 | safridzal | well, nevermind, i get it |
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| 06:37.53 | somiaj | lasers: /msg dpkg ssbp (you can make your own backport if needed) |
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| 06:39.03 | lasers | somiaj: Thanks for the factoid. I kinda wanted squeeze-backports, but yes, I will try and make my own. |
| 06:39.37 | somiaj | lasers: you can use those instructions to make a backport from any version of debian with the correct deb-src line |
| 06:39.56 | somiaj | lasers: so the package comes from sid but you will compile it into squeeze |
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| 06:47.49 | cnz | is there a command to see all installed software |
| 06:48.11 | deather | dpkg -l |
| 06:48.11 | dpkg | Files in package deather-pr0n: /srv/deather-pr0n/deather.jpg |
| 06:48.42 | deather | what? :) |
| 06:49.59 | somiaj | deather: dpkg can be a smartass at times, (: |
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| 06:50.57 | zykotick9 | somiaj: dpkg-bot, dpkg the program is almost always serious |
| 06:51.45 | deather | :-) |
| 06:51.53 | deather | dpkg -L |
| 06:51.54 | dpkg | Files in package deather-pr0n: /srv/deather-pr0n/deather.jpg |
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| 06:51.57 | deather | mhmhh :) |
| 06:52.02 | kingsley | dpkg kingsley |
| 06:52.03 | dpkg | kingsley: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 06:52.17 | lasers | somiaj: bitlbee requires me to install lot of packages? http://paste.debian.net/216710/ ntfs-3g? linux-sound-base? vim? x11-utils? |
| 06:53.38 | somiaj | lasers: yes you need to install all of the build-deps, I'm not sure why they are that. But that is correct |
| 06:54.16 | lasers | gstreamer? consolekit? gvfs? policykit? yikes. :P |
| 06:54.59 | lasers | somiaj: libdrm! Ah, I'll remove them when I'm done with them. |
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| 06:56.19 | somiaj | lasers: I am unsure why those are needed to be installed, check the btlbee source for that. |
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| 06:58.43 | zykotick9 | lasers: that does seem like a big list. but according to judd it should work, see "/msg judd check-backport bitlbee" for confirmation |
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| 07:01.07 | lasers | somiaj, zykotick9: I'm pondering on whenever to use this http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/squeeze/i386/ |
| 07:01.09 | cnz | on a fresh install what package do i need to remove to close port 25 |
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| 07:01.33 | lasers | (I meant this http://wiki.bitlbee.org/Packages ) |
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| 07:04.14 | zykotick9 | lasers: personally, i'd trust a debian-developer over a 3rd party to make a better debian package YMMV. best of luck. |
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| 07:06.23 | lasers | zykotick9: Thanks. There are squeeze-backports for irssi, weechat, mosh, etc, but not bitlbee. I'd like to find somebody and request for bitlbee to be part of backported packages. I'd prefer backports over compiling, but yes, I understand what you're saying. :) |
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| 07:07.29 | peterrooney | cnz: what makes you believe port 25 is open? |
| 07:07.47 | cnz | it's notnow |
| 07:07.48 | cnz | fixed it |
| 07:08.06 | cnz | remove exim4 |
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| 07:08.31 | zykotick9 | lasers: sorry, i'm not personally aware how backport requests are handled... |
| 07:09.01 | cnz | + |
| 07:10.24 | lasers | zykotick9: Understood. I think there are none. Perhaps, just up to the developers. |
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| 07:19.36 | invariant | How can I check whether syslog is not functioning? |
| 07:20.28 | invariant | (I rm'ed /var/log/syslog and then touched it. ) |
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| 07:26.57 | Infiltrator | invariant: Do you have a syslogger installed? |
| 07:27.14 | invariant | invariant, syslog functioned before I did that. |
| 07:27.32 | invariant | Infiltrator, syslog functioned before I did that. |
| 07:30.40 | Infiltrator | invariant: Try /etc/init.d/syslogger restart? |
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| 07:31.05 | Infiltrator | Also, I'm a lurker, so talk to the channel unless you want to wait hours for a reply from me. :) |
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| 07:33.16 | invariant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:33.43 | invariant | It's just default squeeze without anything installed. |
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| 07:36.01 | lasers | somiaj, zykotick9: http://wiki.bitlbee.org/HowtoPurple -- CTRL+F "downside" -- Just a FYI. :) |
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| 07:39.16 | invariant | I fixed it, but if it actually required the restart that doesn't really seem like a very flexible design. |
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| 07:41.04 | zykotick9 | lasers: thanks, good to know. i'm not a bitlbee fan myself, i used it for a little while, but switched to irssi-plugin-xmpp (i don't do a lot of IMing) |
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| 07:49.56 | voltagex | OK, got cdd working |
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| 07:50.11 | voltagex | now I'm wondering why my preseed file is prompting so much |
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| 07:53.06 | voltagex | https://gist.github.com/4316500 - still getting prompted for keymap, language, mirror, fglrx (?) |
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| 07:57.08 | Infiltrator | invariant: By syslogger, I meant whatever syslogd you have. |
| 07:57.14 | Infiltrator | invariant: Also, how did you fix it? |
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| 07:57.37 | invariant | Infiltrator, rsyslogd, and restarting it. |
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| 07:59.43 | Infiltrator | invariant: My guess would be that it spazzed out when you deleted its outfile. If you want to fix that behaviour, you could always submit a patch. |
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| 08:24.58 | atomfire | hey everyone. |
| 08:25.33 | atomfire | I have a 3 day old install of wheezy and I"m seeing a process called kworker spike my cpu at regular intervals, like a heartbeat |
| 08:25.51 | atomfire | I run top and kill it, and it starts back up again |
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| 08:26.06 | atomfire | my computer is running really laggy, and this is on a cold boot. what is that process? |
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| 08:30.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:32.21 | nvz | atomfire: kworker is a kernel thread, means something is calling for a kernel mode operation |
| 08:32.31 | invariant | What jurisdiction applies when running a command via ssh? The one of the remote machine or of where I am typing on the keyboard? |
| 08:33.00 | nvz | maybe you should ask your question.. cause jurisdiction doesnt make any sense |
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| 08:35.31 | vyadhaka | can a laptop's inbuilt modem used directly to get ADSL broadband |
| 08:35.53 | invariant | vyadhaka, no |
| 08:35.56 | dokma | from what I know, one way to see what is happening during a boot on a remote machine is to boot it in a VM and export the display back to my machine. |
| 08:36.01 | dokma | is there a simpler way? |
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| 08:36.42 | somiaj | dokma: can you not find the info you want in the logs? |
| 08:36.48 | nvz | depends on what you wanna know and ow far the machine is booting |
| 08:36.53 | vyadhaka | invariant: so without an ADSL modem it's not possible? |
| 08:37.08 | gnarface | dokma: there are other ways but that's definitely the simplest one and the only one that doesn't require specialized hardware |
| 08:37.20 | dokma | I know nothing atm. I've rsynced one partition to another machine and tried to boot it but no go |
| 08:37.25 | somiaj | yea not all info is loged unforntally, but I would check the logs before looking for a fancy way to get boot info. |
| 08:37.27 | dokma | not even ping returned |
| 08:37.41 | dokma | ok, will do that first |
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| 08:38.01 | invariant | nvz, it's really simple: executing a particular command is perfectly legal in country A, but the same command (if I would live there) would not be legal in country B. Now, what happens if I run the command in country B via ssh while I am in country A? |
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| 08:38.20 | gnarface | vyadhaka: the word "modem" is a generic term. the one in your laptop is for an entirely separate protocol and *type* of protocol from ADSL |
| 08:38.45 | nvz | invariant: so you do literally mean jurisdiction.. thats a legal question and off topic.. ask a lawyer in both countries |
| 08:39.09 | somiaj | invariant: when you us ssh the command runs on the remote machine. I am unsure about legal jursidiction, but my guess it is the location of the machine...and yes that is offtopic nas nvz said. |
| 08:39.09 | vyadhaka | gnarface: thanks for the clarification |
| 08:39.46 | gnarface | vyadhaka: no problem. i know its confusing because they use the same connector. that almost never happens, with connectors, but that one has been around so long... |
| 08:39.51 | invariant | somiaj, that would also be my guess, since I am essentially letting an agent do work on my behalf. In this case the agent is a machine. |
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| 08:40.29 | invariant | vyadhaka, a modem (modulator-demodulator) is a device that modulates an analog carrier signal to encode digital information. |
| 08:40.49 | invariant | vyadhaka, but not all signals are the same. |
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| 08:40.56 | terr_ | invariant: you might want to read up on this. Poor guy spent 6 months in jail because he revealed an encryption method called "ceasar's cypher which is also called ROT-13 and when I was 6 years old that was Broadcast in Canada by CBC on the Razzel Dazzel show |
| 08:41.18 | invariant | vyadhaka, that's why you have a GSM modem, a UMTS modem, etc, a 56K modem, a 33K modem, etc. |
| 08:41.36 | invariant | vyadhaka, now, 56K and 33K happened to be backwards compatible. |
| 08:41.51 | nvz | my general philosophy on legal matters is if money isnt involved and nobody knows about it, its as legal as it needs to be.. heh |
| 08:41.58 | invariant | vyadhaka, the thing in your laptop is most likely a 56K modem. |
| 08:42.17 | terr_ | nvz wall street agrees with you |
| 08:43.05 | terr_ | vyadhaka: wouldn't it be a wifi? what speed? |
| 08:43.10 | invariant | terr_, that sounds like an urban legend. |
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| 08:43.27 | terr_ | invariant: what sounds like an rban legend? |
| 08:43.43 | invariant | terr_, "Poor guy"... Dazzel show. |
| 08:43.46 | nvz | someone going to jail for using a rotation cypher |
| 08:44.11 | terr_ | invariant: its not. I donated $100 to his defence fund and I don't even live in Rissua or the USA. It was OUTRAGEOUS |
| 08:44.29 | invariant | It would be a good reason to dismantle government if that's government. |
| 08:44.43 | terr_ | look up Dimitris Syklarocv and ROT-13 |
| 08:44.49 | atomfire | nvz: It's spiking my cpu and making my laptop completely lag on a cold boot. I don't seem to be able to kill it, and I've booted in kernel 3.2.0-4 and in 3.6.0-6 liquorix and have the same results |
| 08:45.00 | invariant | terr_, but that's a foreigner. That's just asking for it. |
| 08:45.26 | nvz | atomfire: does it happen in a debian kernel? |
| 08:45.38 | atomfire | yes |
| 08:45.44 | atomfire | that's what I'm in right now |
| 08:45.50 | terr_ | invariant: he was giving a talk on secure encryption and used an example. Adobe bitched because they used ROT-13 in their e-books product |
| 08:45.51 | invariant | terr_, there is nothing to be found. |
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| 08:46.09 | invariant | terr_, I am now getting the impression you are just trolling me. |
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| 08:46.39 | atomfire | nvz: I'm not seeing any definitive solutions on google |
| 08:46.46 | atomfire | nvz: lenovo t61 laptop |
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| 08:47.31 | terr_ | invariant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT13 |
| 08:47.40 | vyadhaka | invariant: terr_: just got internet connection and I dont have an ADSL modem to connect, I was just wondering if it would be possible to use the laptops inbuilt modem. Looks like it's not possible based on invariant and gnarface's comments |
| 08:47.46 | nvz | atomfire: no because you;re not looking at it the right way and if you use a debian kernel and dont have the problem then you have more of an idea of whats causing it |
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| 08:48.09 | invariant | terr_, he did something else; he got around some encryption in Adobe's file format. |
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| 08:48.11 | terr_ | vyadhaka: tell me the speed of the conenction you got and the laptop's speed |
| 08:48.22 | invariant | terr_, this is perfectly legal for some purposes. |
| 08:48.22 | atomfire | nvz: I'm using a debian kernel and am having this problem |
| 08:48.48 | invariant | I think they should make it illegal to make encrypted file formats myself. |
| 08:48.48 | terr_ | invariant: part of the charge was revealing rot-13. |
| 08:48.48 | nvz | kworker itself is not the problem.. its what condition is causing it to hang and what is calling it and what its asking it to do |
| 08:48.53 | atomfire | ok |
| 08:48.59 | terr_ | invariant: now under DMCA style legislation |
| 08:49.13 | Iridos | atomfire, did you look for suspicious messages in dmesg? |
| 08:49.19 | nvz | use strace, and/or examine the /proc/ dir for the process to try figure out what it is |
| 08:49.22 | atomfire | nvz: I don't know how to track that down. I just read a thread that suggests turning things off in the bios. |
| 08:49.27 | atomfire | Iridos: I'll check, rebooting |
| 08:49.29 | terr_ | s/now/not/ |
| 08:49.34 | Iridos | atomfire, I mean during use |
| 08:49.55 | invariant | terr_, what can I say? The US saved the EU from Hitler, but they were probably already more fascist in the 1940s than Hitler ever was. |
| 08:49.56 | Iridos | some constant message about... hard disk writes failing or a flood of new messages about whatever |
| 08:50.14 | nvz | atomfire: it can be virtually anything.. kworker can be called upon by the kernel to serve i/o tasks or any numbrt of things on behalf of any program |
| 08:50.22 | atomfire | ok |
| 08:50.46 | atomfire | I'm turning off the vt virtualizationi technology in the kernel |
| 08:50.58 | atomfire | Iridos: I will check |
| 08:51.04 | terr_ | invariant: well I feel really sorry for the country and I have many friends there. But what can you say of a country with no general health care and 30% of the population w/o coverage and guns everywhere |
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| 08:51.21 | invariant | terr_, guns are a sign of freedom. |
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| 08:51.33 | atomfire | he's' got a good point though |
| 08:51.39 | terr_ | invariant: do you have any ideas if the keyboard issue? |
| 08:51.39 | vyadhaka | terr_: I signed up for ADSL2, I am guessing it would be over 1Mbps |
| 08:51.54 | invariant | terr_, which issue? |
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| 08:51.57 | terr_ | vyadhaka: and your laptop modem speeds? |
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| 08:52.07 | vyadhaka | terr_: how can I check that? |
| 08:52.24 | terr_ | did anyone offer a guess to my quesiton? How can a Debian or any linux system for that matter lose its keyboard region settings with no one doing a reconfig? It happened on one of my systems. KB suddenly went nutz |
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| 08:52.32 | invariant | vyadhaka, you can often pickup a free modem. |
| 08:52.45 | terr_ | Are there any keystroke combinations in X for instance that can reset a region code for the keyboard without going through a kbreconfig? |
| 08:53.02 | terr_ | vyadhaka: but what speed is it? |
| 08:53.03 | invariant | vyadhaka, when a new standard emerges the value of the old modems drops to about zero. |
| 08:53.28 | gnarface | vyadhaka: laptop make& model # please? |
| 08:53.34 | gnarface | vyadhaka: i can tell you for sure |
| 08:53.58 | gnarface | terr_: just the one terminal? |
| 08:54.06 | gnarface | terr_: mouse input unharmed? |
| 08:54.09 | atomfire | Iridos: I don't see anything strange in dmesg |
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| 08:54.25 | vyadhaka | gnarface: Dell xps m1210 |
| 08:54.25 | gnarface | terr_: does it work fine without X? |
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| 08:54.28 | terr_ | gnarface: just on the real kb connected to the machine... what it boots from. I could log in from the net. |
| 08:54.30 | atomfire | nvz: Could it be virtualbox kernel stuff? |
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| 08:55.12 | terr_ | gnarface: I reset the keyboard and rebooted and it works fine. But how could it have lost the region codes all by itself? |
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| 08:55.40 | nvz | atomfire: sure, could be anything and likely something that can get hung up like a virtualized driver.. heh |
| 08:56.03 | terr_ | gnarface: I think the computer was looking for a GF in Moscow |
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| 08:56.17 | terr_ | gnarface: maybe ne for me! LOL |
| 08:56.19 | nvz | atomfire: each process has a process id and a corresponding directory in /proc/ which contains a vast amoun of informaion about it |
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| 08:57.02 | atomfire | nvz: just tried to open virtualbox and got a kernel error "kernel driver not installed" |
| 08:57.14 | atomfire | nvz: at least I know where to start looking now :) thank you |
| 08:57.56 | vyadhaka | invariant: so if I get a ADSL modem today, it will be use less when we move to Fibre optic connection? I am planning on getting Netgear wndr3800 router + TP link TD-8817 modem. I am guessing the modem will be useless once we get fibre but the router should be fine, right? |
| 08:58.08 | gnarface | terr_: i'm guessing your base assumption about the problem having been the region codes is wrong. your keyboard is whack or you accidentally piped a binary to stdout... at least that was my guess but alot has gone unanswered.... |
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| 08:58.53 | invariant | vyadhaka, that router can only push around 300Mbit/s. |
| 08:59.12 | furryhead | Hi, is this the appropriate place to ask for a really basic rundown of how to debootstrap debian squeeze ._. |
| 08:59.22 | gnarface | terr_: i suppose its possible your terminal has hotkeys that allow you to switch locale and you hit them by accident, but that really seems unlikely to me |
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| 08:59.57 | gnarface | terr_: if its a multiuser system or it is infested maybe someone else did it |
| 09:00.28 | terr_ | gnarface: problem was fixed by kbdconfig (redhat consol mode utility) - I just set it to defaults. Piping binary to stdout would only affect the current xterm. After a reboot I could not even log in. This did not involve X because my system boots to a standard consol keybaord then I manually startx |
| 09:00.36 | vyadhaka | invariant: that's for wireless right, it has gigabit LAN, so will the wired connection max out over fibre? |
| 09:00.50 | terr_ | gnarface: I looked for that. I could not find anything Its not multiused |
| 09:00.56 | invariant | vyadhaka, just because they say it has gigabit LAN doesn't mean it does one Gb. |
| 09:01.09 | terr_ | also I think I hit a funny keycode combo in X |
| 09:01.21 | invariant | vyadhaka, I can assure you that it doesn't do 1000Mb/s. |
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| 09:01.48 | invariant | vyadhaka, you need some high-end router before you can do that. |
| 09:02.39 | vyadhaka | invariant: what are the real world speeds like with fibre? |
| 09:02.50 | invariant | vyadhaka, I have no idea. |
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| 09:03.33 | invariant | vyadhaka, you can get to 20000Gb/s in a lab these days. |
| 09:03.35 | terr_ | vyadhaka: okay. Get a standard ethernet wifi with RJ45 connectors and it does NOT have to be gigabit but gigabit is fine. These are typcially called a "nic" and run the netwoork cable to a ADSL modem and the phone line to the modem and it should work. |
| 09:03.38 | gnarface | vyadhaka: certainly a 56k modem in that laptop |
| 09:03.56 | terr_ | invariant: he doesn't need a router. the laptop can be a router |
| 09:04.04 | invariant | vyadhaka, but that's certainly not a consumer application. |
| 09:04.07 | vyadhaka | invariant: I read in a PC mag recently that the new linksys AC wireless model was as fast as gigabit LAN using AC |
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| 09:04.26 | invariant | vyadhaka, do you want a network? |
| 09:04.40 | invariant | vyadhaka, you only need a router if you want your own LAN. |
| 09:05.00 | vyadhaka | invariant: yes I have few PCs in the house |
| 09:05.27 | invariant | terr_, how many laptops do you know with 5 ports? |
| 09:05.45 | terr_ | vyadhaka: you can use the laptop wifi to a wifi hub which has RJ45 cables to the ADSL modem or you can go directly from the RJ45 on the laptop to the modem with a cross over cable or you can go from the laptop to a "hub" or to a "switch" into which you connect the ADSL modem. |
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| 09:06.49 | terr_ | invariant: is he setting up a router? I have one. An "ALIX" baord from PCengines will work as will a Sokeris box for the firewall/routing |
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| 09:07.43 | terr_ | invariant: for a lap top to do it you need to use the USB port and hang typically ethernet over USB on it and thats a cheap and oaky solution but a bit of a head knocker |
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| 09:08.33 | terr_ | ADSL is so slow the USB won't worry about it but USB is based on SCSI and can support SCSI so its not really all that bad a way to go. |
| 09:08.52 | invariant | terr_, but nobody wants that. |
| 09:09.06 | invariant | terr_, people just want secure wifi + high performance ethernet. |
| 09:09.12 | terr_ | invariant: I know. I looked at putting it in here. |
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| 09:10.02 | terr_ | invariant: doens't exist in most of the world over ADSL. ADSL runs over POTS (plaing old telephone service) which is twisted pair and totally obsolete. |
| 09:10.51 | terr_ | invariant: I'm needing to upgrade some old stuff here. I know. ALEX is a good way to go at about $100 |
| 09:11.29 | terr_ | and I think you get up to 5 nics. I'd put OpenBSD on the firewall / router I happen to use it and like it. real simple and really robust |
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| 09:13.14 | luminous | hello! what is the proper way to install oracle/sun's jre on debian squeeze? I'm seeing various articles about using java-package to build a .deb, but have been unable to find/install java/package |
| 09:13.19 | terr_ | invariant: vyadhaka sounds like a Russian name and I figure he's running old ADSL modems so he needs likely an RJ45 cable. which means with a cross over he can plug his laptop into the ADSL modem and maybe it works |
| 09:13.26 | luminous | *java-package |
| 09:14.13 | vyadhaka | terr_: so I will need at the least an ADSL modem |
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| 09:15.46 | terr_ | vyadhaka: yes. You cannot do anything w/o the ADSL modem. Ask for a "cross over" cable when you do it. You can stick a wifi base staion in the middle any time you want. the base station will have an RJ45 plug and that will need a NON-cross over cable. |
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| 09:16.15 | terr_ | vyadhaka: If you buy a cable making tool I can give you the pinouts |
| 09:16.55 | terr_ | vyadhaka: I can also likey pop some stuff in the mail for you. I have at least 1000 meter of cable here. Never used it in the last 10 years. |
| 09:17.01 | invariant | vyadhaka, isn't it just cheaper to let a professional install it for you? |
| 09:17.16 | luminous | http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage <<< notes needing to add contrib to sources.list, which I have.. but having run aptitude update I'm still not seeing java-package |
| 09:17.26 | terr_ | invariant: No. Likely not. I'm a professional in Calgary and I know what I charge. |
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| 09:17.40 | invariant | terr_, btw, I am still using ADSL. |
| 09:17.50 | invariant | terr_, not ADSL2. |
| 09:18.08 | vyadhaka | terr_ thanks for the info, I think I have the right info now |
| 09:18.09 | terr_ | invariant: so am I and I'm running web servers on it. |
| 09:18.11 | luminous | calgary sounds like a fun place |
| 09:18.30 | invariant | terr_, I can stream 720p video just fine and I will likely upgrade, but for consumer applications it's enough. |
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| 09:18.52 | invariant | terr_, didn't you say it was obsolete? |
| 09:18.57 | terr_ | vyadhaka: send me an eamil at terr@terralogic.net if you need help. Note I cannot respond to a gamil address but if you fix this for me I'll send you lotsa cables at my expense |
| 09:19.00 | invariant | terr_, DOS is obsolete. |
| 09:19.41 | luminous | terr_: hah, do you just refuse to reply to gmail? I like that policy.. |
| 09:19.43 | terr_ | invariant: stream up or stream down? Im not interested in stearming up |
| 09:19.54 | invariant | terr_, down |
| 09:20.21 | terr_ | luminous: I've asked my upsteam for help on this they said fixed and still no joy. |
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| 09:20.35 | invariant | terr_, ALIX systems don't have Gb ethernet. |
| 09:20.56 | invariant | terr_, ignoring that, they are nice systems. |
| 09:21.06 | luminous | terr_: your provider fails at delivering to gmail? |
| 09:21.10 | luminous | that's hilarious |
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| 09:21.36 | luminous | any insights on java-package? |
| 09:22.16 | terr_ | invariant: I didn't look. The ADSL side is slow and each subnet really doesn't need much speed to the other subnets in my home because my kids are all grown up and I live alone... so for meed I can se sneaker net. Before I can get myu sneakers on and see if the packet arrived at another of my computers it likely has. |
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| 09:23.07 | terr_ | luminous: no I run my own mail servers... Gmail cut them off a few years ago and I figure I'm not willing to debug their systems for free |
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| 09:23.39 | luminous | terr_: that seems really weird though, do you know why? is it an ssl thing? |
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| 09:24.17 | luminous | you can receive from gmail just fine, just can't send to them? |
| 09:24.39 | terr_ | luminous: no. THe reverse DNS was not set up properly and my ISP thought that just set it up and all will be fine. Maybe I need to check my DNS servers. Maybe I glitched named |
| 09:25.12 | luminous | ah |
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| 09:25.32 | luminous | you might need all the DNS SSL/anti-spam stff |
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| 09:25.40 | terr_ | luminous: yup. It says not always but most of hte time that the email has been identified as spam and has been rejected. No spam has ever gne from my static IP addresses ever. |
| 09:25.50 | luminous | ah |
| 09:26.10 | terr_ | luminous: what I need is a sysadmin. LOL |
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| 09:28.28 | terr_ | looks like a channel split |
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| 09:29.19 | luminous | yea, you most likely need the SPF records setup |
| 09:29.25 | luminous | terr_: ^^ |
| 09:29.40 | luminous | terr_: can you pay a sysadmin? |
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| 09:29.42 | terr_ | luminous: big delay. Usually this means channel split. |
| 09:29.46 | terr_ | luminous: yes |
| 09:30.20 | terr_ | luminous: At this time not full time. I've hired consultants since 1997 |
| 09:30.33 | terr_ | luminous: lets PM |
| 09:30.43 | luminous | already there :P |
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| 09:33.09 | vyadhaka | I am planning on using software RAID 1 mirroring, currently use windows one, it's alright but if the system does not shut down cleanly, after the reboot it will resynch the drives which makes the PC unresponsive, does the software RAID in linux behave the same way after a system crash? |
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| 09:40.48 | Guest1234 | ciao |
| 09:40.59 | Guest1234 | !list |
| 09:40.59 | dpkg | guest1234: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 09:43.31 | E200 | what mean a @Base in symbols file |
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| 09:47.53 | furryhead | Hi, after debootstrapping debian squeeze, i was under the assumption that everything would be installed except the kernel/initrd.... is this not the case? |
| 09:48.03 | furryhead | A chroot lets me use dpkg, but no |
| 09:48.08 | furryhead | Not apt-get |
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| 09:48.26 | somiaj | furryhead: apt-get should be there. |
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| 09:48.43 | furryhead | And dpkg itself doesn't work, claiming it can't open /var/lib/dpkg/status for readinf, no such file |
| 09:48.54 | furryhead | The apt pkg is there |
| 09:49.01 | furryhead | Just doesnt seem to be installed |
| 09:49.05 | somiaj | furryhead: you just need to install the kernel and then configure the kernel to boot (install grub) and mount the filesystems (so mess with /etc/fstab) |
| 09:49.12 | nvz | sounds to me like the debootstrap didnt complete successfully |
| 09:49.26 | furryhead | It didn't show any errors though? |
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| 09:49.50 | furryhead | ooooooooooooo |
| 09:49.52 | nvz | its a rather crude hack thats designed to work from a non-debian system if need be |
| 09:49.56 | karimb | yeah, debian guys! |
| 09:50.04 | furryhead | Debootstrap.log.... no space left. Fml, lmao |
| 09:50.08 | nvz | heh |
| 09:50.27 | gnarface | mystery solved!!! |
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| 09:50.34 | furryhead | Wrong directory, lmaoo |
| 09:50.37 | furryhead | Thanks :d |
| 09:51.00 | nvz | tune2fs -m 0 |
| 09:51.02 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:54.37 | furryhead | Having never setup debian manually.... what's a good swap partition size for a 500mhz proc, 192mb ram, 12gb harddrive? |
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| 09:55.08 | \KsM | 256mb I'd guess, what are you even planning on using it for |
| 09:55.43 | \KsM | You could go with 128mb and if that's too small you could create a swapfile |
| 09:55.44 | furryhead | Meh, mostly cli-only dev |
| 09:56.11 | furryhead | Also might be running java servers on it |
| 09:56.20 | invariant | furryhead, why would you go through such pain? |
| 09:56.36 | furryhead | What do you mean? |
| 09:56.53 | invariant | furryhead, if you have money, buy a decent computer. |
| 09:57.07 | furryhead | I dont have money though ;p |
| 09:57.11 | invariant | furryhead, development is done these days on machines with 24GB RAM. |
| 09:57.32 | furryhead | So...? Lol |
| 09:57.50 | furryhead | its faster than my old cli dev computer ._. |
| 09:58.03 | furryhead | 128mb ram, 300mhz processor |
| 09:58.04 | Lasse- | 500MHz Heh |
| 09:58.07 | invariant | furryhead, it's surely possible, but anything non-trivial (e.g. Java) is not going to work on a human time scale. |
| 09:58.19 | vlt | furryhead: swap size depends heavily on the amount of memory used by your processes. |
| 09:58.52 | invariant | The economic value of even an AMD3200+ is perhaps 50$. |
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| 09:59.08 | furryhead | Yup |
| 09:59.19 | invariant | The reason is simple: new machines waste less time. |
| 09:59.23 | furryhead | But this one cost.... thats right... not a damned thing! |
| 09:59.25 | furryhead | Lol |
| 09:59.31 | Lasse- | Better machines can be found for free nowadays :P |
| 09:59.43 | \KsM | I don't think any of this really matters |
| 09:59.58 | furryhead | Well let me know when you figure out where i can get my hands on that |
| 10:00.19 | invariant | furryhead, at any company near you. |
| 10:00.28 | Lasse- | recycling centers too |
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| 10:00.49 | invariant | If you don't want to bother a company, then certainly a university. |
| 10:01.30 | Lasse- | It's sad how little of company computers actually are actually sold to privates |
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| 10:01.45 | Lasse- | "Securely cleaning hdds takes too much time...we don't want to use time for that..." blahblah |
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| 10:27.49 | AssWobbles | Hey Big Ops Make a backup |
| 10:27.52 | AssWobbles | make a backup... |
| 10:27.58 | AssWobbles | Hey Big Ops Make a backup |
| 10:28.01 | AssWobbles | make a backup... |
| 10:28.07 | AssWobbles | Hey Big Ops Make a backup |
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| 10:45.00 | mwargh | lol |
| 10:45.02 | CruX| | hello, is there a way, how can I detect that reboot -f was executed > |
| 10:45.29 | fredl | hi guys, I need to set up an ftp account on a Debian wheezy server and it needs to be chrooted |
| 10:45.30 | CruX| | main problem is that reboot -f takes too long to finish due to buggy hw |
| 10:45.53 | fredl | the manual page says to install a statically linked 'ls' in the user's home directory, where do I find this? |
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| 10:53.10 | atomfire | how do I set interface eth0 to be down at boot? |
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| 10:53.38 | somiaj | atomfire: remove the 'auto eth0' line (or comment it out) from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:53.46 | atomfire | nvz: thank you somiaj |
| 10:53.49 | somiaj | atomfire: if you use network-manager tell it not to manage that device |
| 10:54.39 | atomfire | somiaj: checking that right now, thank you |
| 10:55.14 | atomfire | I removed it from wicd |
| 10:55.25 | fredl | nobody? :) |
| 10:55.40 | fredl | I bet themill knows what I'm looking for =) |
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| 10:56.33 | themill | fredl: I last cared about ftp in 1997. |
| 10:56.53 | fredl | LOL, tell me about it :P |
| 10:57.13 | atomfire | nvz: The thing that finally killed the kworker processes was running ifconfig eth0 down. |
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| 10:57.54 | fredl | even Google seems to have lost track of statically linked binaries :P |
| 10:58.29 | fredl | hey I can't help it that customers of my employer still want to use FTP and that my employer doesn't want to offend them by telling them they're stupid. |
| 10:58.44 | atomfire | heh |
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| 11:00.34 | themill | fredl: busybox-static? |
| 11:00.51 | fredl | looked into that already. |
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| 11:01.23 | fredl | has ls built into the shell I guess. |
| 11:01.29 | fredl | so no external binary |
| 11:01.48 | b0lt | don't things like vsftpd do chroot without copying a bunch of special executables? |
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| 11:03.00 | somiaj | one thing to do is just not give ftp users shell access (which is where many of the exploits are) |
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| 11:03.31 | themill | fredl: umm... "ln -s busybox ls" but yeah, I'm sure a decent ftpd can chroot a user without requiring ls to be within the chroot. |
| 11:03.41 | xand | "decent ftpd" |
| 11:03.47 | xand | oxymoron :P |
| 11:03.49 | themill | well, it's all relative |
| 11:03.53 | fredl | haha |
| 11:03.59 | fredl | in.ftpd :) |
| 11:04.15 | fredl | I don't want to step onto our sysadmin's heart too much. |
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| 11:04.45 | b0lt | installing an ftp server will surely prevent that |
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| 11:06.26 | fredl | he installed it. I was only asked to help because it doesn't work |
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| 11:06.52 | themill | that's probably considered a feature |
| 11:06.58 | b0lt | which one? |
| 11:07.04 | b0lt | (@fredl) |
| 11:07.23 | leo-unglaub | hey, i have a strange problem with one of my debian servers. installing or updating packages takes more than 2 minutes for every package. |
| 11:07.38 | Andy1978 | how can I show all locales, which use a , comma as decimal separator? |
| 11:07.48 | leo-unglaub | but it's a high end server, 40 GB DDR3 ram, SSD drive, intel i7 high end processor |
| 11:07.52 | Andy1978 | for example the list in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark |
| 11:07.55 | leo-unglaub | everything else is very fast |
| 11:08.02 | leo-unglaub | but installing updates takes for hours |
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| 11:14.45 | pippo444 | ciao |
| 11:14.48 | pippo444 | !list |
| 11:14.49 | dpkg | pippo444: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 11:17.32 | xand | crazy |
| 11:17.53 | b0lt | sane |
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| 11:28.17 | dokma | I've got a working CentOS on sda1 running. I've rsynced a working debian install to sdb1. Now I want to boot sdb1 from VirtualBox but need to put grub into sdb mbr so that it boots sdb1... |
| 11:28.21 | dokma | How do I do this? |
| 11:28.59 | ksk | "grubinstall /dev/sdb1 --recheck" IIRC |
| 11:29.09 | ksk | and make your bios boot from sdb1 |
| 11:29.30 | ksk | but maybe you should not boot into an virtualbox-guest |
| 11:29.31 | dokma | VirtualBox will boot sdb |
| 11:29.39 | ksk | ah, with virtualbox, nvm. |
| 11:29.54 | dokma | what is IIRC? |
| 11:30.15 | Zharf | if I recall correctly |
| 11:30.24 | dokma | I see |
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| 11:30.44 | Midnightfox_be | What directories does the debian-installer usb-version look for the .iso ? |
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| 11:31.20 | dokma | ksk shouldn't it be grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb |
| 11:31.27 | dokma | I don't want it in a partition... |
| 11:31.31 | Midnightfox_be | currently it finds it in the root of one of my filesystems, but I think it's a bit out of place there |
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| 11:35.11 | ksk | you may be right dokma ;) |
| 11:35.44 | ksk | but since you did create a backup just try and error ;) |
| 11:35.48 | dokma | yeah, that sounded reasonable but I'm getting some junk about GPT patition label has no BIOS Boot Partition... |
| 11:36.08 | dokma | this is just a clone |
| 11:36.19 | dokma | so I can afford to trash it |
| 11:36.50 | dcherniv | dokma, /dev/sdb is correct |
| 11:37.09 | dokma | dcherniv: still getting that error |
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| 11:38.14 | dcherniv | dokma, install gdisk and set boot partition |
| 11:38.36 | terr_ | I have been chatting with luminous in a privat conversation. The chat window has locked up. Can anyone offer a suggestion why? |
| 11:39.07 | dokma | dcherniv: it's a bit more complex than that... I already booted that machine into CentOS and now I'm trying to boot /dev/sdb1 with VirtualBox |
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| 11:39.12 | dcherniv | dokma, ah wait |
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| 11:39.51 | dokma | so I need grub in MBR of sdb to boot from sdb1 |
| 11:40.07 | dokma | but grub refuses to install MBR of sdb |
| 11:40.21 | dokma | with that message I posted before |
| 11:40.23 | b0lt | terr_: check console output. also provide details... like which client you're using would be a start. |
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| 11:41.00 | dokma | what I did was chroot into sdb1 with binded /dev |
| 11:41.12 | dokma | and attempted a grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 11:41.23 | dokma | I can't do it from CentOS because it has legacy grub |
| 11:41.38 | dokma | but obviously I messed something up along the way |
| 11:41.48 | dokma | do I need something other than /dev in the chroot? |
| 11:42.08 | dcherniv | dokma, no, its gpt partition table, |
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| 11:42.39 | dokma | does that interfere with me trying to install grub in mbr? |
| 11:42.42 | terr_ | I have been chatting with luminous in a privat conversation. The chat window has locked up. Can anyone offer a suggestion why? |
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| 11:43.18 | dcherniv | dokma, if you can, convert it back to legacy if you can or create a small (1MB) partition and make it bootable in gdisk, thats where grub is going to install its 2nd stage img |
| 11:43.21 | b0lt | terr_: check console output. also provide details... like which client you're using would be a start. |
| 11:43.37 | b0lt | terr_: also fix your irc highlighting :) |
| 11:43.45 | dokma | crap.. I already used the whole disk... |
| 11:44.06 | terr_ | I think luminous might be trying hack |
| 11:44.08 | dokma | but grub already should have it's second stage image on sdb1 |
| 11:44.16 | dokma | since it's a clone of a working squeeze install |
| 11:44.19 | dokma | am I right? |
| 11:44.24 | dcherniv | dokma, However, in the GPT setup, there is no space following the 512-byte MBR for embedding the "second stage" core.img. Thus, you must make a separate "BIOS boot partition" to hold core.img. Make it 128 kiB as recommended in the following link. Actually, using ext2 for example, and GParted Live CD, the minimum partition size is 8 MB, or 32 MB for FAT32. You can set bios_grub flag in gparted or with command line: In GPT fdisk (gdisk), give it a type |
| 11:44.25 | dcherniv | code of EF02. |
| 11:44.25 | dcherniv | sudo parted /dev/sda set <partition_number> bios_grub on |
| 11:45.08 | dcherniv | dokma, if created a new partition table on /dev/sdb and rsynced as opposed to dd'ing it defaults to GPT. |
| 11:45.26 | dokma | yeah, that's what I did... rsync |
| 11:45.34 | dokma | I thought.. less data.. less hassle |
| 11:46.00 | dokma | now I see if I dd'ed I'd get everything done |
| 11:46.02 | osfd | Hi there. I just installed doxygen and doxygen-doc. So now, I know doxygen doc is available under /usr/share/doc/doxygen. Is there a way to access this help, say a command or so ? |
| 11:46.04 | osfd | please |
| 11:46.43 | dcherniv | dokma, you can still make it work |
| 11:46.58 | dcherniv | dokma, just created a small partition at the end of the disk in gparted and make it bootable |
| 11:47.08 | dcherniv | dokma, grub should find it no problem |
| 11:47.21 | dokma | let me try that |
| 11:47.29 | dokma | I must reduce the existing one first |
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| 11:49.43 | dokma | crap parted doesn't support ext4 |
| 11:49.53 | dokma | I think I'll just do a dd |
| 11:50.02 | dokma | these machines are in the same hosting center |
| 11:50.16 | dokma | shouldn't take tooo much time |
| 11:50.39 | dokma | and the disks are identical in byte size |
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| 11:54.24 | allexmb | dokma, gparted |
| 11:54.38 | dcherniv | dokma, sure dd should be foolproof |
| 11:54.49 | allexmb | and sdd, cause its faster |
| 11:56.19 | osfd | for example, for latex doc I know I can access doc with 'texdoc package_name' it launches xpdf with the relevant pdf document |
| 11:56.30 | dokma | trying to resize with resize2fs atm |
| 11:56.49 | dokma | done... |
| 11:58.01 | dokma | is there any shortcut to parted to create a partition with the remaining space |
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| 11:58.09 | dokma | so I don't have to mess with start and end? |
| 11:58.53 | terr_ | does anyone have the IP adress of invariant "? I've lost touch |
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| 12:04.50 | dokma | dcherniv: worked... |
| 12:04.58 | dokma | grub is in the MBR now |
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| 12:05.05 | dokma | I'll try and boot it with VB |
| 12:06.23 | dokma | it's booting... |
| 12:08.03 | dokma | everything is up but network interfaces for obvious reasons.... |
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| 12:10.36 | sKeiths | I cannot do any capitals on my debian box. caps lock num lock or shit down help. i have solution in a history file on my previous deb install but is on another disk and it wont mount because i have a cap in my password. anyone know how to reinitilize keyboard, kbinit or something. |
| 12:10.53 | sKeiths | *shift, not shit. oops |
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| 12:20.29 | sKeiths | got it . 'setxkbmap' was the command i was looking for. |
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| 12:50.11 | ganeshkumar | Hi All, I need one clarification on squeeze. What is a latest stable kernel which will support squeeze? |
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| 12:51.03 | allexmb | um |
| 12:51.06 | themill | ganeshkumar: the 3.2 kernel from backports.debian.org works just fine on squeeze |
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| 13:02.47 | ganeshkumar | @themill: But in linux kernel website they didn't give this 3.2 kernel in the stable kernel list. |
| 13:03.15 | themill | it's the kernel that wheezy will use |
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| 13:03.42 | themill | and http://www.kernel.org/ does list it... |
| 13:05.04 | ganeshkumar | @themill: In squeeze backports 3.2.32 kernel package inly available, but in kernel list 3.2.35 only there as a 3.2.x stable kernel |
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| 13:06.07 | themill | both wheezy and backports will get that update within the next couple of weeks, I'd imagine. The differences as sufficiently tiny that I wouldn't worry about them anywya |
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| 13:09.00 | ganeshkumar | @themill: thanks for your reply. |
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| 13:25.39 | invariant | Is it possible to nest openvz containers? |
| 13:26.35 | babilen | dpkg: openvz |
| 13:26.36 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22. Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529) and not supported for <wheezy>; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:27.16 | babilen | invariant: I don't know, but #openvz (^^^) might. I decided against using OpenVZ as it is deprecated. I wouldn't necessarily expect it though. (guts say no) |
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| 13:31.20 | senses | On 12-21-2012 from 12am to 12-22-2012, 12.10 am, there are possibilities of mass attacks being carried out by some people in the name of mentally-ill religious fundamentalists, in the name of doomsday cults and in the name of non-religious people. |
| 13:31.54 | senses | We should all be on the alert and also watch the backs of our friends, loved ones, families and relatives. |
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| 13:32.09 | b0lt | there are possibilities of that every single day, every hour, and it has nothing to do with debian |
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| 13:34.12 | ksk | :) |
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| 13:36.23 | Beast | hey |
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| 13:36.42 | b0lt | hello, Beast |
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| 13:39.06 | bravvve | hello,i have tv with 1920x1080 max resolution using vga,i wan to connect my laptop under squeeze amd64,containing nvidia craphic card,but i gat just 1024x768 resolution as max |
| 13:39.31 | b0lt | !nvidia |
| 13:39.31 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy proprietary drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:41.56 | Beast | I just installed 12.10 onto a Toshiba with a 64 bit AMD athlon X2 which is rated at 2 Mz, while my macbook pro with a 2.16Mz x2 intel processor feels so much slower. Might the LVM install on the toshiba ($ the fact that the macbook pro was a standard partition install) be responisible for the difference in feel? |
| 13:42.27 | b0lt | Beast: ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:42.42 | Beast | oops |
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| 13:43.38 | Beast | sorry, thought I was there. Old habit of being on #debian, since that's what I used to run. |
| 13:44.03 | b0lt | np |
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| 13:50.22 | Delfyn | what is the correct way for a debian installation to identify its debian port? 'uname -m' doesn't do it (reports 'x86_64' on 'amd64' system). 'arch' doesn't do it (reports 'x86_64'), /etc/debian_version doesn't have the info. lsb_release doesn't tell me either. I can write a tiny script to map CPU arch to port arch, but i figure there must already be a Right Way to do this. Googling didn't help. |
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| 13:52.22 | bniels | Delfyn, what about "dpkg-architecture"? |
| 13:53.13 | Delfyn | perfect! thanks bniels! |
| 13:53.43 | tech_ | bniels: beat me to it! lol |
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| 13:54.32 | themill | Delfyn: there is, of course, more than one debian arch that can run on many systems. |
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| 13:55.09 | Delfyn | sure ... i just want the way to determine the port that an install is running. dpkg-architecture works fine |
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| 13:55.55 | themill | Delfyn: ok, no worries. Also remember that you can run an amd64 kernel on an i386 install, just to add further degrees of freedom to the problem |
| 13:56.51 | bravvve | dpkg:the drivers is installed,but when activating the second monitor i get 1024x768 as max resolution |
| 13:56.51 | dpkg | ...but drivers is already something else... |
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| 13:58.25 | bravvve | ops its spam |
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| 13:58.40 | bravvve | any one |
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| 14:01.11 | bniels | bravvve, maybe the card just can't do more than that? can you look into your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in order to find out if it lists the reasons why it's purging the higher resolution modes from the mode list? |
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| 14:03.09 | bravvve | the card can do more then 2XXXpx x 1XXXpx |
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| 14:06.20 | bravvve | it can go to 2048x1536 |
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| 14:07.21 | bniels | so have you looked into your Xorg.0.log? |
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| 14:15.00 | bravvve | bniels:no,not realy,just with nvidia-sittings |
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| 14:19.46 | Beastie | hello all |
| 14:20.04 | Beastie | quick question, has anyone ever ran into "bash: 22: command not found" when attempting to connect to ssh? |
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| 14:21.05 | bniels | Beastie, you need the -p option to specify the port number. something like: ssh -p 1234 user@host |
| 14:22.06 | ChrisH | Beastie: can you pastebin the ssh command using ssh -v to paste.debian.net please... given the -p did not help |
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| 14:26.45 | Walther | Upgrading a server from lenny to squeeze. Upon the step after apt-get upgrade, before reboot and dist-upgrade, "apt-get install udev" reports broken packages. Is it safe to reboot and dist-upgrade without isntalling udev first? |
| 14:27.20 | Walther | Using these instructions (www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps ) so I should have the same kernel flavour isntalled as before |
| 14:28.41 | themill | You'll do better reading the official release notes rather than random crap on howtoforge, btw. |
| 14:28.53 | themill | Can you pastebin the entire output from that apt-get install udev command? |
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| 14:29.33 | Walther | http://pastebin.com/bqtiCm77 |
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| 14:32.28 | themill | Walther: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-i386 ia32-libs lib32asound2; apt-cache policy" |
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| 14:34.46 | Walther | themill: what are the pieces of information you need to know in that list? in package sources, I have a custom proxy on our servers at work so would prefer not to paste all of it |
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| 14:36.11 | themill | you've got rather an odd mix of packages there -- change the IP/hostname if you like but I'd rather the entire output |
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| 14:40.04 | milo64 | is it possible to get rid of this: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/iftop.8.gz: No such file or directory ### as if i didn't install iftop? |
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| 14:40.16 | milo64 | normally, it's: No manual entry for iftop |
| 14:40.59 | Walther | themill: http://pastebin.com/i7pBFhZn |
| 14:41.27 | Walther | this is a computing server for semantic computing, running e.g. matlab and such |
| 14:41.50 | Walther | and like i said, in the upgrade phase from lenny to squeeze, after upgrade before dist-upgrade |
| 14:43.00 | themill | Walther: what does "aptitude install udev linux-image-amd64" want to do? |
| 14:43.53 | Walther | Plenty of things; but I've already installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 14:43.54 | themill | (if push comes to shove, we'll just get rid of the ia32 stuff do the upgrade and then install the ia32 packages again) |
| 14:44.14 | themill | Walther: ok -- pastebin? |
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| 14:44.45 | milo64 | is it possible to get rid of this: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/iftop.8.gz: No such file or directory ### as if i didn't install iftop? |
| 14:45.17 | Walther | themill: http://pastebin.com/0C1sXhdP |
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| 14:46.58 | nkuttler | milo64: run mandb |
| 14:47.17 | milo64 | nkuttler, yeah? |
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| 14:48.24 | themill | Walther: sorry to be picky... but that's not the output of "aptitude install udev linux-image-amd64" ... |
| 14:49.00 | Walther | themill: kheh, not too familiar with aptitude, always used apt-get, and wanted to be sure to not actually install anything |
| 14:49.13 | Walther | hence the apt-get -s |
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| 14:49.22 | milo64 | thewindmill |
| 14:49.24 | milo64 | -_- |
| 14:49.34 | milo64 | nkuttler, i don't know the parameter |
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| 14:49.50 | diverdude | Hmm i have installed proftpd and added a linux user which can be used to login with proftpd. This seems to work fine, however when i log into ftp as this user, it seems to be possible to browse the entire directory structure on the server. Is it possible to restrict the user to only its $HOME directory? |
| 14:50.15 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah, look into chroot @ proftpd config :) |
| 14:50.20 | themill | Walther: aptitude's resolver will often sort out situations like this where apt-get gives up. It will ask you Y/n/q/? before doing anything |
| 14:50.45 | milo64 | gosh.. thewindmill (themill) talks all the time -_- |
| 14:51.03 | Sm0ke0ut | diverdude: `DefaultRoot ~` to be exactly |
| 14:51.48 | Walther | themill: http://pastebin.com/drmKLaFU |
| 14:51.49 | milo64 | nkuttler, it's not working |
| 14:52.58 | themill | Walther: that looks good to me. (I don't know if you will later want some of those java packages back -- I doubt it) |
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| 14:53.55 | Walther | what about the broken perl packages, will aptitude fix 'em? |
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| 14:54.18 | themill | Walhter: yeah, that's what it's doing in that list of actions |
| 14:54.43 | diverdude | Sm0ke0ut, ahh ok...that seem to work...hmm however when i try yo upload a file i get: Error:Critical file transfer error |
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| 14:55.47 | milo64 | themill, remember to keep it short and simple |
| 14:55.51 | milo64 | -_- |
| 14:55.57 | milo64 | others wanna ask questions too |
| 14:56.07 | diverdude | Sm0ke0ut, Permission denied |
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| 14:56.16 | Walther | themill: Also, what about all those packages being removed - what does that {u} imply? at least openssl-blacklist sounds like something actually useful, and python-sqlalchemy i'm not sure if is used by the semantic computing group, etc. Would greatly prefer not to uninstall things unless absolutely unnecessary |
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| 14:57.17 | themill | Walther: these were packages that were automatically installed as a dependency of something else that has since been removed. apt-get has probably been pestering you about them being unused for a while. |
| 14:57.40 | Walther | Ah, so {u} implies something that has been in "use autoremove to remove ..." |
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| 14:58.03 | themill | Walther: yeah. I'd just copy+paste the package names somewhere and reinstall them after the upgrade if you decide you want them |
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| 14:58.39 | diverdude | Sm0ke0ut, ah got it |
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| 15:01.27 | Walther | themill: This system is currently running Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 and you are installing Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64. In the new version some of the drivers used on this system may require additional firmware files: tg3: tigon/tg3_tso5.bin, tigon/tg3_tso.bin, tigon/tg3.bin |
| 15:01.30 | diverdude | exit |
| 15:01.47 | Walther | now this is something new to me; how essential are "firmware" files on debian |
| 15:02.01 | Walther | i.e. does the lack of those make the system unbootable or anything similar |
| 15:02.11 | themill | !tg3 |
| 15:02.11 | dpkg | tg3 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) and NetLink Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 controller or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
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| 15:02.21 | Walther | this particular server has not preciously had non-free repos enabled |
| 15:02.25 | Walther | previously* |
| 15:02.57 | themill | for that particular card, "not very" important -- installing the package doesn't really do harm though |
| 15:03.00 | Walther | so I wonder why are those reported as necessary -- or have those firmware files only recently been moved from main to nonfree? |
| 15:03.32 | themill | if by "recently" you mean 3 years ago, yes... |
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| 15:04.12 | Walther | also I suppose that if those are networking drivers, if they work now, they shouldn't break by not installing those, right? |
| 15:04.13 | themill | The information that can be presented to you there is that the module *can* load some firmware and that the firmware *might* be needed. |
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| 15:04.41 | themill | no, those firmware were part of the lenny kernel packages but no longer part of the squeeze kernel packages so that's not a safe conclusion |
| 15:04.47 | Walther | hmm |
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| 15:05.02 | Walther | then I should probably enable non-free |
| 15:05.23 | themill | To me it looks unneeded, but I'd probably err on the side of caution and give it the firmware. Particularly if this is a remote box... |
| 15:05.26 | lroe | any thoughts on how well Debian Squeeze will run on a 2.0Ghz Pentium-M with 1GB of ram |
| 15:05.41 | lroe | I'm assuming GNOME 3 probably isn't a good idea |
| 15:05.54 | lroe | any suggestions for an alternative desktop environment? |
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| 15:11.06 | Walther | themill: after all those updates and upgrades, still reporting same broken packages when trying to install udev |
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| 15:12.35 | themill | Walther: oh... that still wasn't the output of "aptitude install udev linux-image-amd64" ... that was designed to install both packages at the same time |
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| 15:13.55 | b0lt | lroe: depends entirely on your taste. awesome wm runs brilliantly on most things, but isn't for everyone :) |
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| 15:13.58 | lasers | lroe: In case you didn't know... Squeeze runs Gnome2.32 and Wheezy runs Gnome3.4. http://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment -- I looked at the list and thinking that if you're looking for something a tad more lighter than Gnome, you might like OpenBox. |
| 15:14.03 | err404 | Walhter, you need upgrade your kernel first, and after you can upgrade your udev, maybe inversse |
| 15:14.13 | Walther | themill: http://pastebin.com/AcCe0B3k |
| 15:14.41 | Walther | I wonder what uses libasound32 |
| 15:14.51 | Walther | libasound2 * |
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| 15:15.18 | themill | Walther: "aptitude why packagename" will tell you what in apt is using it, but your 3rd party unpackaged stuff is not known to apt. In any case, that solution from aptitude looks fine, I'd go for it. |
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| 15:16.16 | Walther | The following packages will be REMOVED: libasound2-plugins{a} lzma{u} |
| 15:16.29 | grobda24 | How do I reinstall grub so that it picks up new OS'es on other partitions and keeps various kernels ? Is it "grub-reinstall" ? |
| 15:16.38 | Nik05 | update-grub |
| 15:16.54 | grobda24 | Nik05: ah, thanks |
| 15:17.02 | Nik05 | dont need to reinstall it |
| 15:17.18 | Walther | LZMA seems to be a compression/decompression utility, might be needed |
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| 15:17.37 | Walther | Welp, let's just hope it's installable after the dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.38 | themill | Walther: replaced by xz |
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| 15:17.49 | Walther | Or yeah, provided by something else |
| 15:18.05 | grobda24 | Nik05: just did it. Worked. Found my new Windows Vista and Debian 64 :D |
| 15:18.19 | Nik05 | :) |
| 15:18.29 | themill | Walther: As I said, with a difficult upgrade like this, I'd just focus on getting the upgrade done with whatever removals have to happen to push it through and then add them back afterwards. |
| 15:18.39 | jhutchins_wk | lroe: xfce seems to be pretty popular, and I've run it on older gear. |
| 15:18.41 | Walther | yeah. |
| 15:18.58 | jhutchins_wk | lroe:lxde is specifically intended to be "light". |
| 15:19.02 | Walther | I just started as a sysadmin at this place, and this is not the first lenny I have to upgrade -.-' |
| 15:19.15 | Walther | I can't but wonder why they have sticked with such old versions |
| 15:19.31 | Walther | this place is even managed by puppet |
| 15:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | Walther: Lots of good reasons, Gnome3 and KDE4 being two big ones. |
| 15:19.45 | Walther | jhutchins_wk: servers, mind you |
| 15:19.49 | Walther | no desktops installed |
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| 15:20.14 | jhutchins_wk | Walther: Well that's one blessing. |
| 15:20.16 | lroe | jhutchins_wk, you'd prefer xfce over lxde? |
| 15:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | lroe: No, it's just what I've tried so far. |
| 15:20.46 | jhutchins_wk | lroe: Reported what Mr. Torvalds is using these days. |
| 15:20.55 | Walther | To be the odd bird, out of the DE's I actually prefer the newest up-to-date Unity |
| 15:20.56 | themill | Walther: asleep at the wheel and the belief that a perimeter firewall means you don't have to worry about security of individual machines is usually the culprit there. |
| 15:21.02 | Walther | on Ubuntu, that is |
| 15:21.16 | Nach0z | Walther: really? o_0 |
| 15:21.28 | Walther | themill: Yeah... Well, otoh, it's good that they have some reasons to pay me :P |
| 15:21.32 | lroe | Walhter, for old hardware? |
| 15:21.39 | Nach0z | I mean if you have a good enough machine it's an alright DE, I guess, but still... |
| 15:21.46 | Walther | Nach0z: There are actually so many useful things that keep my hands off the mouse |
| 15:22.20 | Walther | Dash is astonishingly fast - and even better, the alt-HUD to keep me off mouse-overing the menus inside apps as well |
| 15:22.43 | Walther | lroe: not using much of old HW |
| 15:23.00 | Walther | OTOH, I'm testing out i3-WM at the moment as well, seems very slick |
| 15:23.33 | Walther | but yeah, all the dislike about unity being "tablet-oriented" is actually a big misnomer - there are *so* many things helping to keep the mouse untouched |
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| 15:23.48 | Nach0z | meh. When I use any kind of linux I pretty much exclusively use terminal for things relating to the machine itself |
| 15:23.56 | lroe | I think unity is a non-starter when it comes to ~6year old laptops though |
| 15:24.03 | dupondje | Somebody around here that knows alot from data recovery ? Like photorec? Got some specific question :) |
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| 15:24.46 | Nach0z | lroe: yeah probably. I mean I use LXDE pretty much exclusively, cuz it runs on damn near anything |
| 15:24.58 | Nach0z | hell, linux in general could run on a dead toaster |
| 15:25.19 | lroe | this was a dead toaster a few hours ago |
| 15:25.30 | Walther | the linux kernel pretty much *could* run a toaster |
| 15:25.32 | lroe | I'll give lxde a try |
| 15:26.11 | Walther | Heck, someone made the linux kernel + a minimal shell work on a 8Mhz microcontroller with like a measure of kilobits of ram or something |
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| 15:26.50 | Walther | Oh, got my numbers totally wrong |
| 15:27.07 | Walther | " building a barebones set-up with just an 8-bit RISC microcontroller at its heart. Running at a somewhat sedentary 6.5KHz, with only 16KB of SRAM and 128KB of flash storage, these are specs that make most phones look like supercomputers." |
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| 15:27.17 | Walther | http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/01/worlds-slowest-linux-computer/ |
| 15:27.24 | Walther | yeah, but that's getting a bit too OT |
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| 15:29.12 | fishcooker | hello fellas |
| 15:29.12 | Walther | ...moment of truth, does the server a) reboot b) allow ssh connection... |
| 15:29.17 | fishcooker | happy Christmas |
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| 15:29.31 | Walther | ...or do I have to fetch a cup of coffee and go to the server room :P |
| 15:29.51 | Meelu | im trying to add another ip to my server provided by my server provider can anyone help i need it asap |
| 15:30.25 | Meelu | i looked at /etc/network/interfaces but dont want to mess anything up is there an easy way |
| 15:30.30 | SiDz | kernel 3.7 ftw... ipv6 nat.. masquerade and redirect |
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| 15:30.34 | fishcooker | im using transmissioncli for torrenting .. how to bypass the magnet link eg: thepiratebay.se |
| 15:31.25 | Walther | fishcooker: i think this might be the official channel for debian and hence officially not support illegal activities :P |
| 15:31.49 | fishcooker | thankyou walther, but this is christmas time |
| 15:32.00 | fishcooker | it's happy hour for torrenting |
| 15:32.03 | fishcooker | xmas song |
| 15:32.18 | Walther | augh, ssh to the server is just timing out... looks like I might have to go to the server room and see what happened... |
| 15:32.42 | fishcooker | Walther: :p |
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| 15:32.53 | lasers | Play YouTube songs. :) |
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| 15:34.41 | Meelu | anyone know |
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| 15:35.25 | themill | Meelu: you need to create another stanza in /etc/network/interfaces. There's a blank line between stanzas -- copy, paste, adapt. |
| 15:35.37 | themill | (see "man 5 interfaces" for details) |
| 15:35.47 | Meelu | i tried ipconfig eth0:1 newip netmask 255.255.255.0 themill |
| 15:35.50 | Meelu | but didnt work |
| 15:35.50 | Meelu | erm |
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| 15:37.03 | Seryth | Hey guys, I'm trying to test out a new soundcard I've got, USB. I'm using alsa, no pulse* installed. In alsamixer, under the F6 soundcard select menu, I can see - and select - the USB card, but as soon as I "ESCape" alsamixer, it returns back to my default soundcard. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:37.31 | ChrisH | Meelu: ifconfig ifconfig eth0 add IP netmask netmask up |
| 15:37.45 | dcherniv | Seryth, set default card in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 15:37.47 | Meelu | dont work ipconfig |
| 15:38.08 | ChrisH | Meelu: iFconfig not iPconfig |
| 15:39.09 | Seryth | dcherniv: Ah, thanks. |
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| 15:39.39 | Seryth | dcherniv: Once I've done that, do I need to restart /etc/init.d/alsa-utils? |
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| 15:39.49 | Meelu | ChrisH, can you give me a quote |
| 15:39.51 | Meelu | so ilke |
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| 15:40.03 | Meelu | "ifconfig ifconfig eth0 add xx.xx.xxx.xx 255.255.255.x netmask up" |
| 15:40.13 | dcherniv | Seryth, yes |
| 15:40.23 | Meelu | is that how im supposed to do it |
| 15:40.56 | ChrisH | Meelu: ifconfig eth0 add xx.xx.xxx.xx/24 up |
| 15:41.06 | Yama_HH | Hi all. I have some problems installing Debian Squeeze on my Sandy Bridge server from Fujitsu. The netinstall-image just gives two options for localization: English and no localization. Any ideas? Same image works perfect on vmware or older servers. |
| 15:41.12 | Walther | (who decided a failed fsck should interrupt a boot and require a keypress (^D) or root login) |
| 15:41.12 | Meelu | im even more confused now soz |
| 15:42.26 | dcherniv | Seryth, defaults.ctl.card 0 |
| 15:42.27 | dcherniv | defaults.pcm.card 0 |
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| 15:43.27 | Beastie | bniels and ChrisH thank you I'll give it a go. Sorry for the late response. Maybe I need to modify my ssh config file? |
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| 15:43.59 | Seryth | dcherniv: thanks |
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| 15:44.28 | Seryth | dcherniv: and defaults.pcm.device? |
| 15:44.50 | Beastie | bniels: the command you gave me worked. I wonder why ssh user@0.0.0.0 22 didn't work?? |
| 15:44.53 | Royaflash | Hi |
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| 15:46.00 | ChrisH | Beastie: ssh user@0.0.0.0 22 does a ssh user@0.0.0.0 and executes 22 there... this is expected not to work. the idea is to use it like ssh user@0.0.0.0 uptime |
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| 15:48.52 | dcherniv | Seryth, you can leave that one alone |
| 15:48.59 | dcherniv | Seryth, anything that ends with card |
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| 15:49.05 | Seryth | dcherniv: Yup, I changed it and it didn't work, so I changed it back :P |
| 15:49.17 | Seryth | Sound works now, just gotta get mic working |
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| 16:02.04 | Beastie | ChrisH: Thank you for the information ;-) |
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| 16:10.58 | GodXen | Hello guys, im in a little problam, i got some random webcam, i tried latest ubuntu and i saw there was like 90% better quallity, so the question would be: can i use ubuntu drivers for webcam ? |
| 16:11.18 | Sm0ke0ut | probably not |
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| 16:16.17 | GodXen | so any suggestion to improve my webcam quality ? theres to dark video, and something that i dont know how to call in english, theres a link to my screenshot |
| 16:16.18 | GodXen | http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9825/screenshothx.png |
| 16:16.46 | gvfttechnicien | hi |
| 16:16.53 | gvfttechnicien | I need your help guys... |
| 16:16.54 | gvfttechnicien | I have a domain that I want to forward to a zentyal server which is within a lan controlled by a clearos dns proxy firewall server. |
| 16:16.55 | gvfttechnicien | I put my static isp address within the domain management (godaddy) then forward the port 80 from the main router to the clearos server then to the clearos to the zentyal server.... I still cannot reach my domain... Is it normal?? |
| 16:17.02 | gvfttechnicien | However within my network, I can reach my domain which is registered in the clearos dns server |
| 16:17.39 | babilen | GodXen: Tried toggling the "Disable Auto-Exposure (darker video, higher frame-rate)" switch? |
| 16:17.47 | GodXen | Yes |
| 16:17.48 | babilen | GodXen: Do you have the same problems in, say, cheese? |
| 16:17.53 | GodXen | yes |
| 16:18.09 | babilen | GodXen: Which camera is it? Which driver does it use? |
| 16:18.56 | GodXen | all i know about my webcam |
| 16:18.57 | GodXen | http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7763/screenshot1pd.png |
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| 16:19.50 | dcherniv | GodXen, try to remove Disable autoexposure tickmark |
| 16:20.07 | babilen | Hmm, never worked with the zc3xx driver. Lets see what I can find out. Could you also paste the respective line of your webcam from "lsusb" please? |
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| 16:20.27 | GodXen | dcherniv, in where i can disable it ? |
| 16:20.28 | babilen | dcherniv: That was my first questions too, GodXen said (s)he tried that and it didn't change anything. |
| 16:20.53 | GodXen | root@KITT:/home/tomylee# lsusb |
| 16:20.54 | GodXen | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0ac8:307b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. USB 1.1 Webcam |
| 16:20.54 | GodXen | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04b4:0033 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. Mouse |
| 16:20.54 | GodXen | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0b38:0010 Gear Head 107-Key Keyboard |
| 16:20.54 | GodXen | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub |
| 16:20.54 | babilen | dcherniv: In the skype settings in your first screenshot. You answered "Yes" when I asked about that |
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| 16:21.03 | babilen | ENICK |
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| 16:21.59 | GodXen | dcherniv, that didnt do any changes, also i have ubuntu version of skype because any other version didnt worked |
| 16:22.04 | babilen | GodXen: In the skype settings in your first screenshot. You answered "Yes" when I asked about that -- Pleae paste only up to two lines in here (more output to http://paste.debian.net) in the future please |
| 16:22.10 | GodXen | and i have not only in skype that problam |
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| 16:22.18 | babilen | GodXen: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 16:22.25 | GodXen | 6.0.6 |
| 16:22.53 | babilen | GodXen: Which version of Skype did you install? IIRC the last one that works on Squeeze is 2.*.35 |
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| 16:23.37 | dcherniv | GodXen, what does lsmod | grep zc3xx say? |
| 16:23.46 | themill | There is/was a skype 4.0.0 that worked with squeeze too |
| 16:24.12 | GodXen | tahts not about skype actualy. im getting the same even in cheese, and http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7863/screenshot2du.png |
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| 16:25.31 | babilen | themill: Ah, good to know. |
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| 16:26.23 | GodXen | and i have Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit |
| 16:26.26 | GodXen | vesion |
| 16:26.31 | GodXen | of skype |
| 16:26.38 | mooglenorph | What's the best way to get emacs 24 on debian? |
| 16:26.46 | mooglenorph | Debian stable |
| 16:27.24 | eni23 | if i want to use an usb-hard-drive on a server, which filesystem should i choose? |
| 16:28.12 | GodXen | dcherniv, lsmod | grep zc3xx http://pastebin.com/aGafr4Kd |
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| 16:30.09 | mooglenorph | It looks like there's only an emacs24 package in sid. That's not going to hit wheezy before release is it? |
| 16:30.36 | GodXen | lsusb - http://pastebin.com/WhRb7aH8 |
| 16:30.45 | invariant | mooglenorph, may I recommend that you just build Emacs from source? |
| 16:31.15 | invariant | mooglenorph, it will perform better than any generic package you might get from Debian. |
| 16:31.17 | babilen | GodXen: Support for webcams is provided by the gspca kernel module (and zc3xx in particular) for that webcam. I've just checked and that module doesn't have any parameters that you could tinker with. One approach you can try is to check if a newer kernel works better than the one you have. You can follow "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" to install one and that would be the first thing I would try. |
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| 16:32.24 | babilen | mooglenorph: No, I don't think that it will. (Which is IMHO a pity and I have no idea why the emacs packaging team decided to keep emacs23 as default) |
| 16:32.34 | GodXen | thank you im trying it right now, babilen |
| 16:32.50 | eni23 | should i go with ext4, ext3 or xfs? most important to me it is that its faiure-tolerant (cause of usb-harddisc) |
| 16:33.15 | mooglenorph | So, grab the release source and just build that? |
| 16:33.26 | babilen | GodXen: I don't know a lot about webcams, but it looks as if yours is detected correctly and the correct driver is loaded. It simply "doesn't work" the way you want it. There might be a couple of knobs that you can play with, but I am, as of now, not aware of any. |
| 16:34.03 | babilen | mooglenorph: IIRC they (i.e. emacs upstream) also provides emacs snapshot / 24 packages. I am not sure if they target Debian stable though. |
| 16:34.35 | mooglenorph | http://emacs.naquadah.org/ |
| 16:34.46 | mooglenorph | There's that, but it seems to be dev snapshots? |
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| 16:34.49 | babilen | mooglenorph: You can probably also backport emacs yourself, but I wouldn't necessarily expect /other/ emacs related packages to integrate well with it. |
| 16:34.52 | mooglenorph | I want a release version. |
| 16:34.55 | GodXen | hmm. first of all i will try test release of debian wheezy to see whats going on there, so maybe i will be able to upgrade to it? babilen |
| 16:35.01 | mooglenorph | Ugh yeah |
| 16:35.11 | mooglenorph | I guess I can just nuke all of debian's emacs-related packages |
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| 16:35.48 | mooglenorph | I'm already keeping like 5 different emacs packages (org-mode, ESS, some jabber thing, color-theme, notmuch) in ~/elisp |
| 16:36.00 | mooglenorph | Because the versions that come with debian are too old |
| 16:36.07 | babilen | mooglenorph: Yeah, that is the one I was thinking about. And you are right, they only do snapshots ... unfortunate. To be honest: I would personally recommend to switch to wheezy and/or sid. (Only if you feel comfortable with this and this is not a production system but "simply" your development machine) |
| 16:36.47 | jordanm | just to get emacs 24? |
| 16:36.50 | mooglenorph | babilen: Yeah, it's "simply" my dev box. |
| 16:37.18 | mooglenorph | The only software that I care about is emacs though, everything else can be old and I don't care. And I'm using a bpo kernel, so I'm set on that front. |
| 16:37.29 | mooglenorph | I'll upgrade to wheezy when it comes out, but that won't solve my emacs woes anyway... |
| 16:37.39 | jordanm | ,checkbackport emacs24 |
| 16:37.41 | babilen | mooglenorph: Would that be an option for you? I realise that this is a bit bad, but Emacs is a package^Woperating system that a lot of other packages depend on and I don't think it is easy to get the entire 24 ecosystem running on Squeeze (unless you don't use packages for anything Emacs at all) |
| 16:37.43 | judd | Backporting package emacs24 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 16:38.21 | jordanm | ,checkbackport emacs24-bin-common |
| 16:38.25 | judd | Backporting package emacs24-bin-common in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 16:38.28 | babilen | jordanm: It *might* work to backport that particular package, but I have no idea how happy all the -el packages will be (for example) |
| 16:38.30 | themill | It might compile, but I can't imagine it will be happy with the rest of the emacs world in squeeze |
| 16:38.36 | babilen | exactly |
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| 16:39.04 | babilen | GodXen: That is an option too -- The backported kernel is, however, the one in wheezy and it would allow you to test that. |
| 16:39.12 | jordanm | most of the other emacs world is bundled in emacs-goodies-el |
| 16:39.43 | dokma | I've got grub legacy on sda in MBR from CentOS, I've rsynced a working Squeeze to sdb1 and installed grub2 into MBR on sdb. I've tried to boot Squeeze in VirtualBox and it works and now I'm wondering if anything major could be messed up if I try to boot sdb1 with legacy grub from CentOS? |
| 16:39.50 | babilen | thinks that we will see /lots/ of people complaining about emacs23 in wheezy |
| 16:39.52 | jordanm | and the compilation occurs at install time, so it probably resolved by just reinstalling the packages |
| 16:40.17 | mooglenorph | Hm. I mean, looking at aptitude show emacs-goodies-el, it looks like a lot of this is in emacs24 now? |
| 16:40.21 | GodXen | babilen, can i ask you what is emacs23 ? |
| 16:40.24 | mooglenorph | Or in the new package management system for elisp |
| 16:41.11 | babilen | dokma: The grub configuration of CentOS might be outdated (and, for example, might not contain Debian) -- You typically have to choose which of your operating systems you want to handle the boot loader |
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| 16:42.47 | babilen | GodXen: Emacs23 is version 23 of Emacs. Emacs is a pretty popular text editor and a good choice if you have to write a lot. You can find further information on http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/. I prefer the VIM text editor (i.e. http://www.vim.org/ http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/), but this is simply a matter of taste. |
| 16:43.31 | GodXen | babilen, thank you |
| 16:43.34 | dokma | babilen: everything is fine as to getting grub to do what I want |
| 16:43.49 | babilen | mooglenorph: Yeah, whenever I use Emacs I just use package.el and pull packages from marmelade ... I am, however, mostly a vim user and not /that/ invested in emacs. |
| 16:44.01 | dokma | I just wondered if I could mess up something trying to boot grub2 mixed with legacy |
| 16:44.11 | babilen | GodXen: You are welcome |
| 16:44.25 | mooglenorph | I am super-invested in emacs. Heh. |
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| 16:44.37 | mooglenorph | I think I'll try a purge of the entire debian emacs ecosystem |
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| 16:44.51 | mooglenorph | See how bad it is to get 24 running straight from source. |
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| 16:45.13 | babilen | dokma: The boot loaders are independent and they will just "do their thing" -- I wouldn't expect one to be able to mess up the other. Both might, however, not reflect the current state of the system and be configured wrongly. I would simply decide which OS you want to manage grub and use /only/ that. |
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| 16:45.48 | mooglenorph | Like, I use it to read mail, interact with all of my programming languages, organize my life with calanders and to do lists and stuff, and I'm going to try and move my web browsing over to emacs too. |
| 16:45.53 | dokma | babilen: that's what I'm doing. this is just an intermezzo before deleting the stock CentOS I got with the machine |
| 16:46.11 | babilen | mooglenorph: You can also try to backport the emacs package from sid. (see "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions) -- I am simply not sure how well that integrates into the system. It might "Just work"â„¢ and you are happy or it does not ... |
| 16:47.03 | mooglenorph | babilen: okay, cool |
| 16:47.15 | Beastie | Welp I'm having another issue with ssh. :-( |
| 16:47.17 | babilen | mooglenorph: IMHO it is less work than running it directly from source. If you, however, prefer to run it from source make sure to install it to /usr/local. I would also recommend to use a tool such as stow to manage those "installations" in /usr/local (cf. "/msg dpkg stow" "/msg dpkg stow usage") |
| 16:47.43 | babilen | dokma: ack, sounds like a plan. |
| 16:47.54 | mooglenorph | babilen: thanks very much, these are really helpful snippets. |
| 16:47.57 | Beastie | I can connect to ssh with my internal ip and my external ip from within my network, but I'm trying to see if I can connect externally from another location. I used http://www.serfish.com/console to test it and I cannot connect. Any ideas? |
| 16:48.08 | mooglenorph | babilen: I'll give the backport a shot, see how it goes |
| 16:48.10 | Beastie | I would be very appreciative. |
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| 16:48.36 | babilen | mooglenorph: In particular stow saved me a lot of work whenever I wanted to remove something I installed manually (no problems with "make uninstall" not present/faulty/... and so on) |
| 16:48.37 | mooglenorph | I just got some time now that the semester is over, and I want to move my web browsing into emacs too... so I figured now would be a good time to upgrade to the latest version. |
| 16:48.51 | GodXen | hmm, stupid question, but i always messed up the way debian presents the releases and iso's, so can anyone give me a link to latest beta of debian? |
| 16:49.05 | mooglenorph | I agree with whoever said, above, that a bunch of people are going to complain about emacs23 in wheezy. |
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| 16:49.49 | babilen | mooglenorph: If I were you I would consider running wheezy, but I can totally understand if you don't want to do that and if you prefer until its release (max 6 months I reckon, rather less) |
| 16:50.45 | babilen | mooglenorph: that was me ... I just know that it will happen and that /we/ in here will hear it over and over again. I really hope that the emacs team has enough manpower to be able to maintain emacs24 in wheezy-backports then. |
| 16:51.13 | babilen | mooglenorph: But I don't know what their plan is. I simply assume that they wouldn't attempt such an important transition at this point in the release cycle. |
| 16:51.45 | babilen | (which would probably require a /lot/ of exceptions) |
| 16:51.50 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 16:52.00 | mooglenorph | babilen: Yeah, no, it makes plenty of sense. |
| 16:52.18 | babilen | It is a pity though |
| 16:52.30 | mooglenorph | And I'm happy enough with debian that I'll just deal with it, its worth it for how nicely put-together everything else. |
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| 16:54.23 | babilen | mooglenorph: I tend to simply run testing or unstable on my personal boxes, which means that I always have access to the latest packages. It is, however, also a lot more administration work than running stable and it can be a pain in times of bugs and transitions. I am happier that way, but everybody has to figure out what he or she likes him/herself |
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| 16:55.17 | mooglenorph | babilen: I maintain my own versions of a couple of other things anyway (haskell, sbcl), this "stow" program looks awesome for that. |
| 16:55.46 | babilen | mooglenorph: It is -- A simple idea that makes it /very/ easy to keep /usr/local in a clean state. |
| 16:56.25 | mooglenorph | Even wheezy doesn't have the version of sbcl that I want. I personally think its worth it to let debian handle stable handle the vast majority of the system, kernel, and maintain the two or three (haskell, erlang, sbcl) things that you want the very latest version of. |
| 16:56.26 | babilen | GodXen: One second please |
| 16:56.41 | babilen | GodXen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ |
| 16:56.53 | GodXen | thank you babilen |
| 16:56.58 | babilen | GodXen: See also http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (for images without firmware) |
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| 16:57.26 | mooglenorph | Luckily for me, I tend to want "the latest version of" systems that are very closed and self-contained. Those vm's for very high-level languages and nothing else, basically. |
| 16:58.27 | GodXen | that i was looking for :) |
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| 16:59.51 | mooglenorph | I can just add emacs to my stable of "vm's for very high level languages" that I maintain at the latest version with a little extra work :) |
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| 17:06.40 | trefdg | how to change a host name without command prompt? |
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| 17:07.00 | cnz | is there a gui samba config editor like for ubuntu? |
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| 17:07.22 | sney | cnz: probably the same one |
| 17:07.25 | cnz | so you can add shares via gui |
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| 17:07.46 | dcherniv | cnz, swat |
| 17:09.44 | cnz | dcherniv, swat doesn't allow me to modify anything it just shows me stuff I already have it installed and it doesn't allow me to configure shares |
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| 17:13.03 | invariant | If you have mutliple machines, do you store your homedir on a NAS? |
| 17:13.40 | invariant | Or do you use some other method to sync them without you really noticing? |
| 17:14.07 | sney | keeping /home on a nas is one option |
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| 17:15.03 | sney | I have a shared ~/data subdirectory that serves the same purpose without syncing things like settings, which I might not want to be identical across my systems |
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| 17:15.55 | Cyclohexane | Is it possible to downgrade from standard Ubuntu 12 to the minimal without having to reinstall? I have windows software installed with licensing etc that I'd rather not go through the pain of doing again.. |
| 17:16.05 | sney | !ubuntuirc Cyclohexane |
| 17:16.05 | dpkg | Cyclohexane: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 17:16.23 | Cyclohexane | Same question applies sney regardless |
| 17:16.54 | sney | Cyclohexane: wrong. in debian that would be possible. but #debian helpers are not ubuntu users, so we quite simply don't know if canonical has made any changes to make that impossible |
| 17:17.04 | sney | so you really need to ask in #ubuntu |
| 17:17.18 | Cyclohexane | How would you do it in debian then? |
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| 17:18.02 | Theoden | Why are you afraid to ask in #ubuntu? |
| 17:18.28 | sney | well, without knowing what makes up a "standard" and "minimal" ubuntu install it's really hard to say. but if I had installed a debian system with a desktop environment and didn't want any desktop anymore, I'd run tasksel and deselect the tasks I don't want anymore. |
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| 17:18.56 | sney | but really - depending on ubuntu differences that could nuke your system. you really need to ask ubuntu support. |
| 17:19.21 | Cyclohexane | sney: that's what I was thinking |
| 17:19.48 | fnmueller | Cyclohexane: also, I don't see how installed windows software would be impacted by a reinstallation of your linux distribution. But then again, ask in ubuntu. They do a lot of different from anyone else |
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| 17:20.48 | Cyclohexane | fnmueller: re-install wouldn't remove your configs, etc? |
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| 17:21.38 | fnmueller | Cyclohexane: in debian, a reinstall would normally not touch your home if you do it right. So ask in ubuntu. Case closed for me. |
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| 17:25.29 | cnz | can someone confirm if this is correct or not |
| 17:25.30 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/Yc8Q63iF |
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| 17:28.03 | GodXen | Hmm, im not that good at linux, im not so good at english, i have opttion to choose what kernel to boot in grub menu, any way to upgrade to beta debian and to try it and if i dont like it or something goes wrong i want to back to my stable release. is thats possible? |
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| 17:28.38 | pl4sm4 | hi |
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| 17:32.25 | trefdg | how to change a host name without command prompt? |
| 17:32.33 | alfplayer | GodXen: I suggest you try the beta, because it will be stable soon. |
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| 17:33.47 | GodXen | alfplayer, theres no date, it is ? |
| 17:34.15 | alfplayer | GodXen: I heard it may be in about 2 weeks. |
| 17:34.36 | themill | 2 months is much more likely than 2 weeks |
| 17:34.39 | boudiccas | lets beclear, the beta is only of the debian-installer, NOT the testing version of debian |
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| 17:35.13 | GodXen | anyway, i want an answer of my question if anyone understood |
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| 17:36.02 | alfplayer | GodXen: You don't go back easily. You can reinstall. |
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| 17:37.11 | t7 | should i add a user to a group or just chmod /var/www ? |
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| 17:37.38 | GodXen | alfplayer, i have made/fixed so many problams/changes so i want any safe metod. the bad thing is im used all space of my hdd so i would be able to install it to a free partition |
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| 17:38.00 | GodXen | any really safe way to resize partition? |
| 17:38.19 | boudiccas | only if its lvm |
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| 17:39.16 | GodXen | if i would* |
| 17:39.24 | GodXen | sorry for my english really. |
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| 17:39.38 | Tes | ciao |
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| 17:39.44 | Tes | !list |
| 17:39.45 | dpkg | tes: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:42.28 | pmo_ | GodXen, resize2fs resize_reiserfs fsck before and after.. but be cautious.. shrinking.. can lead to trouble |
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| 17:53.36 | Alam_Squeeze | cnz: a for loop whould do it |
| 17:54.59 | korkman | iscsiadm won't log me out of a broken connection. i'd really like to login again into the iscsi target without a reboot. ideas? |
| 17:55.00 | engla | something like parallel unzip -- *.zip ; beware of unclean archives or unpacks clobbering each other |
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| 17:55.33 | cnz | Alam_Squeeze what you mean a for loop would do it? |
| 17:55.46 | Alam_Squeeze | cnz: for f in *.zip; do unzip $f -d $f.dir; done <- like this? |
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| 17:56.17 | Alam_Squeeze | that makes it unzip each zip into zipname.dir |
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| 17:56.42 | themill | just make sure you don't have any spaces in your filenames |
| 17:56.49 | cnz | do I need to run that inside the path where all the zips are? |
| 17:57.06 | Alam_Squeeze | yea |
| 17:57.21 | cnz | Se-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done' |
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| 17:58.24 | Alam_Squeeze | hmm, did I mistype type or bash is not your shell? |
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| 17:59.06 | themill | cnz: perhaps you should copy+paste the command the error into paste.debian.net for us |
| 18:00.17 | cnz | Alam_Squeeze I got it |
| 18:01.10 | korkman | my iscsiadm --logout just hangs there |
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| 18:02.31 | korkman | iscsi is so broken to me. both client and server implementations keep disappointing me. |
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| 18:04.00 | dokma | I've got a new server with 2x250 disks identical size to the old server disk (to the byte) |
| 18:04.09 | korkman | anyone ever ran into the problem iscsiadm won't --logout? |
| 18:04.14 | dokma | I'd like to setup software raid mirroring on the new machine |
| 18:04.18 | dokma | it's a web server |
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| 18:04.44 | dokma | I'm just throwing this out if someone has any ideas why it wouldn't be a smart idea... |
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| 18:05.42 | korkman | md raid 1 is fine why should it be a bad idea? |
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| 18:08.21 | dokma | korkman: I don't see why it would be bad either |
| 18:08.27 | dokma | that's why I'm asking |
| 18:08.40 | dokma | I've never done it and once I put that setup on the server it's going to stay for a long time |
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| 18:08.54 | dokma | so I'd prefer not to mess it up from the get go |
| 18:08.56 | korkman | make sure you setup email properly |
| 18:09.13 | korkman | and scrubbing |
| 18:09.30 | dokma | the os will copied verbatum from the old machine |
| 18:09.34 | dokma | so that is already setup |
| 18:09.42 | dokma | it squeeze with ispconfig |
| 18:09.51 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. from here http://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader#Debian_default_boot_loaders it mentioned UEFI next to amd64. does this include i386 too or not? |
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| 18:10.17 | korkman | yeah but test the mdadm monitoring email really arrives in your mailbox |
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| 18:10.31 | sney | ToApolytoXaos: looks like it says both right at the top |
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| 18:11.19 | ToApolytoXaos | I'm asking because I hesitate to buy new motherboard to use it for my existing system |
| 18:11.24 | ToApolytoXaos | will it be able to boot? |
| 18:11.33 | ToApolytoXaos | or will i face issues loading my OS? |
| 18:13.04 | damacus | the UEFI mobos i've dealt with have all been able to boot disks set up on BIOS systems using a legacy / non-eufi mode |
| 18:13.12 | damacus | uefi* |
| 18:13.17 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: awkward name for me to type XD could you post that link again? You're asking a very relevant question IMHO |
| 18:13.45 | ToApolytoXaos | this one? http://wiki.debian.org/BootLoader#Debian_default_boot_loaders |
| 18:14.05 | tech_ | is that the one talking about UEFI? |
| 18:14.51 | ToApolytoXaos | it seems that it says UEFI in amd64 architecture (squeeze) |
| 18:14.55 | tech_ | personally, I don't know what to make of this secure boot business anymore. Hearing so many sories |
| 18:15.03 | tech_ | *stories |
| 18:15.14 | ToApolytoXaos | monopoly says anything to you? |
| 18:15.23 | cnz | Alam_Squeeze can a same type of command be used for unrar |
| 18:15.30 | tech_ | well, that';s the only thing I can think of |
| 18:15.37 | damacus | ToApolytoXaos: it looks like the legacy mode is doing "MBR emulation" |
| 18:15.53 | ToApolytoXaos | damacus, for how long? |
| 18:15.53 | damacus | so you can also look for those terms as far as if a new mobo has that |
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| 18:16.19 | ToApolytoXaos | i'm afraid to risk it and not be able to use it afterwards |
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| 18:16.47 | themill | cnz: something similar, but you'll want to look at "man unrar" to get the syntax right. |
| 18:17.07 | cnz | themill thanks :) |
| 18:17.22 | grondilu | On excel to enter a matrix formula one must use Ctrl+Shift+Enter instead of just Enter. It does not work on Gnumeric. Anyone knows the correct key combo? |
| 18:17.33 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: Was it you I was telling about System76 and Zareason (not sure)? |
| 18:17.35 | zykotick9 | damacus: i read the other day that on x86 architecture MS allows disabling of UEFI on motherboards (isn't that nice of them </sarcasm>) |
| 18:17.45 | ToApolytoXaos | yes tech_ |
| 18:18.06 | ToApolytoXaos | i have checked it, but it does not say if they do a hack around it to work |
| 18:18.08 | themill | grondilu: #gnumeric on irc.gnome.org might be a better place to ask |
| 18:18.34 | damacus | zykotick9: regarding secure boot? |
| 18:18.53 | zykotick9 | damacus: that was my understanding |
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| 18:19.35 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: do they let you know what sort of components they use (mobo, etc)? I was thinking that could maybe provide a clue as to what they may have done/may be doing to overcome the issue |
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| 18:20.06 | ToApolytoXaos | yeah they do, but as i said...they don't say if they are using a custom made hack to make debian to actually work |
| 18:20.28 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: ah, okay, I see |
| 18:20.54 | cnz | what package do I need to install to install libcap |
| 18:21.04 | damacus | thing is with UEFI the board mfgrs can pretty much decide what to ship with and what abilities to add in. like maybe someone will sell a locked down board where you can't add/change the list of keys nor disable secure boot so it effectively only boots windows |
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| 18:21.20 | tech_ | ToApolytoXaos: the more we talk about secure boot/UEFI, the madder I get |
| 18:21.23 | damacus | hopefully the market will weed those though. |
| 18:21.44 | rgr | "can". Few do. My thinkpad has UEFI and it works great for dual booting : much better than previous systems. |
| 18:21.56 | zykotick9 | ToApolytoXaos: i was also under the impression (perhaps incorrect), that so far only Ubuntu and RedHat have MS approved UEFI support? i have no idea about debian implementation (i don't have a UEFI board yet). |
| 18:21.56 | ToApolytoXaos | well...the way i see it, it's like they are pushing us to repeat the same old story with DVD / Blu-Ray Rip! |
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| 18:22.16 | tech_ | indeed |
| 18:22.21 | rgr | debian works fine on uefi |
| 18:22.23 | damacus | it's good tech, important for trusted computing.. but like so many things, it can be used for good or for bad |
| 18:22.32 | themill | suspects we've drifted an awfully long way from user support now |
| 18:22.37 | damacus | indeed |
| 18:22.44 | tech_ | you're right |
| 18:23.00 | tech_ | it's just a touchy subject with me |
| 18:23.02 | peterrooney | tech_: I understand anger as a reaction. let it energize you to do the right thing. |
| 18:23.08 | tech_ | i'll stay on topic for now |
| 18:23.11 | ToApolytoXaos | if anyone here is using debian with UEFI enabled, please let us know how it behaves, and please add it on the wiki pages so we can read it. |
| 18:23.23 | tech_ | +1 |
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| 18:25.30 | engla | I'm using debian on a macbook air among other things but apple's interpretation of uefi seems unlike others |
| 18:26.03 | engla | it doesn't care about efivars etc |
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| 18:26.53 | ToApolytoXaos | well, i can't afford to buy a macbook air, but i can afford to buy a bag of apples! |
| 18:27.25 | tech_ | engla: good to hear. Just gives me another option shold I need it |
| 18:27.31 | tech_ | *should |
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| 18:28.29 | engla | I'm not so sure about how the installation works |
| 18:28.29 | tech_ | besides, at least Apple doesn't make cheap junk. I think it's *too* expensive, but the quality's good |
| 18:28.37 | engla | I installed grub-efi manually |
| 18:28.56 | dhanasekaran | what is Kworker? "kworker" listed recently when I run top. There is no man page.. please help me |
| 18:29.12 | engla | I def think this 2011 air was very competitive when I got it |
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| 18:29.30 | jelly-home | dhanasekaran: when was this system last rebooted? |
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| 18:30.24 | tech_ | dhanasekaran: Kworker controls ACPI wake-up signals from the BIOS |
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| 18:30.57 | dhanasekaran | jelly-home: it's server more than 60 days |
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| 18:31.19 | tech_ | engla: I may end up doing something like that (Debian+Mac). I undeerstand Torvalds runs a similar rig |
| 18:31.21 | dhanasekaran | tech_: It's running more than 10 preocess |
| 18:31.41 | dhanasekaran | tech_: what i do? cpu HITTING heavy load |
| 18:32.30 | tech_ | dhanasekaran: not sure about that. It's been an issue in some Debian variants for a while. Anyone else got any ideas? |
| 18:33.36 | tech_ | dhanasekaran: what hppens if you open a terminal and type "swapoff -a" as root? |
| 18:33.50 | tech_ | just a hunch |
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| 18:34.27 | dhanasekaran | tech_: this production server nothing will happen right? |
| 18:34.50 | Iridos | I wouldn't bet on it |
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| 18:34.56 | tech_ | dhanasekaran: okay, didn't know that. it shouln't hurt anything, thoug |
| 18:34.59 | tech_ | *though |
| 18:35.06 | Iridos | except that processes get killed? |
| 18:35.57 | tech_ | you're only turning off the swapping and pagig |
| 18:36.02 | tech_ | *paging |
| 18:36.05 | jelly-home | dhanasekaran: it could be a number of things. Which Debian release are you running? Is there anything unusual in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 18:36.41 | themill | tech_: what happens if memory is currently overcommitted and swap is required? |
| 18:37.05 | Iridos | indeed. so what if you use more virtual memory than you have physical one. processes get killed, only way |
| 18:37.22 | tech_ | themill: that wasn't a solution, actually. just wanted to test a hunch; would suggest leavig it off |
| 18:37.31 | tech_ | *would not suggest |
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| 18:37.49 | themill | tech_: I'm talking about what swapoff will do right now |
| 18:38.18 | jelly-home | dhanasekaran: also, can you pastebin say 20-100 lines of "vmstat 1" output? |
| 18:39.07 | tech_ | themill: I think it may kill some processes which may have spawned as a result of wakeups |
| 18:39.30 | tech_ | but this guy's running a production server, so that may not be the case |
| 18:40.00 | themill | tech_: it might possibly result in processes getting killed, yes. And if it's the database server or samba or something like that, that's a really bad look. |
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| 18:41.10 | WorldGenesis | o.o what kernel are the debian weekly builds on? |
| 18:41.19 | tech_ | themill: true. like I said, I didn't know he was talking about a production machine. you're right - things could get ugly |
| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | WorldGenesis: the one currently in wheezy, so |
| 18:41.52 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:41.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.9-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 18:42.40 | tech_ | but I can't help but think this has something to do with runaway processes |
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| 18:43.16 | diverdude | Hi, is there no /etc/exorts by default in debian? |
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| 18:43.23 | jelly-home | exports? |
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| 18:44.07 | gearu | Goal: insert usb key in computer, have Debian installed automatically without questions, with preconfigured options for everything and a custom additional package list. Question: how? |
| 18:44.09 | jelly-home | diverdude: since nfs server isn't installed with base system (ie. isn't "default"), I guess there might not be any file present |
| 18:44.29 | diverdude | jelly, ah ok so i need to install nfs base system first? |
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| 18:45.01 | jelly-home | diverdude: if you want to serve nfs, install nfs-kernel-server |
| 18:45.18 | pmo | GodXen, pmo_ was not me |
| 18:45.24 | pmo | someone else |
| 18:45.50 | pmo | i need to protect that one better i guess hehe |
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| 18:46.32 | GodXen | what u mean pmo, sorry? |
| 18:47.13 | pmo | [18:42:28] <pmo_> GodXen, resize2fs resize_reiserfs fsck before and after.. but be cautious.. shrinking.. can lead to trouble |
| 18:47.21 | pmo | that one wasent me :P |
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| 18:47.38 | judd | slaps ompaul |
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| 18:48.00 | GodXen | aa, actually its not helpfull for me. cause i dont know how to use it. and i tried with gparted, i wasnt able to unmount the partition. |
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| 18:56.37 | GodXen | any suggestion how to resize partition with gui aplication ? |
| 18:56.58 | GodXen | tried gparted but i was getting error |
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| 18:58.07 | korkman | try gparted again, resolve error |
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| 18:58.23 | GodXen | aa sorry, i even wastn able to choose an option |
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| 18:59.21 | abailarri | I have debian wheezy with kde. I would like to install a new screensaver, but I dont know where to put it. Does anyone help me? |
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| 18:59.57 | pmo | try ask in #kde if none answers here |
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| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | abailarri: if you figure it out, perhaps paste the answer back here as well. I spent an hour or two searching on how to add a custom screensaver but failed. |
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| 19:03.30 | jelly-home | can you spell "arbitrary incompatibility with xscreensaver" |
| 19:03.37 | GodXen | if ill try to resize partition from live cd would be my files safe ? |
| 19:04.00 | diverdude | On my network consisting of primarily debian machines i have to do e.g. scp /some/path usr@x.x.x.x:/some/path. Is it possible to set up the network so that instead of writing x.x.x.x (some ip) i can write an alieas? like usr@fileserver01:/some/path. Do i need a local DNS for that? |
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| 19:04.18 | abailarri | jelly-home, I dont understand you |
| 19:04.27 | jelly-home | GodXen: resizing partitions is never safe, but if you only have one disk, booting from livecd or liveusb is a must |
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| 19:05.11 | jelly-home | abailarri: I asked and searched for the answer and did not find it. If you find it, can you be so kind to tell about it here in this channel as well. |
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| 19:05.35 | abailarri | a ok |
| 19:05.47 | korkman | diverdude: you can use good ol' /etc/hosts if you don't want to use DNS for that |
| 19:06.06 | diverdude | ah yeah true |
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| 19:06.57 | jelly-home | diverdude: yeah, if you wanted to centralize the ip <-> hostname mappings, you could do it with a local dns server |
| 19:07.01 | diverdude | korkman, but i need that from several machines...maybe dns is better afterall |
| 19:07.03 | tharkun | where can I find the sha256 md5 checksum for the debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
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| 19:07.32 | diverdude | jelly, so i can just setup that dns and then on clients add that dns as an additional dns right? |
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| 19:08.38 | jelly-home | diverdude: wrong. You'd set up a local authoritative DNS, a local recursor, configure the recursor to look at your auth dns for your local domain, and then point your resolv.conf to the recursor. |
| 19:08.54 | jelly-home | diverdude: you'd replace the configuration on clients completely |
| 19:09.05 | tharkun | diverdude: Are you using dhcp? |
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| 19:09.51 | jelly-home | there are DNS servers that can do all of the above with a single service; pdnsd, dnsmasq, probably bind |
| 19:09.56 | themill | or you could use mdns and the .local domain |
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| 19:10.37 | jelly-home | I can't make any polite comments about either mdns or .local usage for that purpose |
| 19:10.42 | korkman | diverdude: you can also use a public DNS, anyways. if you already have a domain, create subdomains for free |
| 19:11.14 | tharkun | themill: where are the checksums for the current iso images? I've been running in circles to check a single one :( |
| 19:11.37 | themill | tharkun: same directory you download the image from |
| 19:12.10 | tharkun | themill: thanks :) |
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| 19:14.42 | Rikle_S | Hi |
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| 19:21.07 | abailarri | Does anyone know any tutorial to change the bootsplash in debian wheezy? |
| 19:22.26 | mullein | abailarri: this is probably old, but maybe it will help. http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-configure-splashy-scree-on-debian.html |
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| 19:22.44 | nvz | abailarri: you can google plymouth debian, but its fairly straightforward there is a command plymouth-default-theme or something then you run initramfs -u or something like that.. |
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| 19:23.04 | mullein | abailarri: ah, splashy is gone. no ideas |
| 19:23.16 | nvz | is barely awake and not happy to be alive today :-P |
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| 19:33.44 | monadicity | hi |
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| 19:34.09 | monadicity | I was just wondering what I should read about getting debian to work with a printer? |
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| 19:34.54 | tech10171968 | monadicity: google for cups? |
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| 19:35.25 | nvz | monadicity: yes, printing is one of those things that is fairly universal outside MS Windows |
| 19:35.34 | monadicity | I know of cups, but im not sure if its what I need to use |
| 19:35.37 | RichiH | how can i clear cached files from ram and force everything into swap? |
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| 19:36.05 | nvz | monadicity: in most cases its as simple as installing cups, plugging in the printer and going to http://localhost:631 |
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| 19:36.17 | monadicity | I got prrinting working on fedora with this weird hplip thing, which made me enter my root password in a non-standard dialogue and disabled SELinux |
| 19:36.21 | nvz | monadicity: check the cups website for support of the printer you want to use |
| 19:36.34 | monadicity | oh that sounds good, ill try cups first |
| 19:37.03 | nvz | monadicity: HP printers are nice because they do in fact participate in opensource... and yeah you would need hplip as well.. but you still need cups |
| 19:37.20 | monadicity | so is hplip legit? |
| 19:37.26 | tech10171968 | monadcity: I'm familiar with hplip, used it for my last priner. is your present printer an HP? |
| 19:37.36 | monadicity | tech10171968, yeah |
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| 19:37.50 | nvz | monadicity: hp provides driver and control software for thir printers on linux, and yes its legit |
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| 19:37.58 | tech10171968 | monadcity: hplip worked like a champ for me. |
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| 19:38.07 | kantor | hellp |
| 19:38.09 | kantor | hello |
| 19:38.13 | monadicity | it did work but I found the points above a little weird |
| 19:39.38 | tech10171968 | monadcity: what was so weird about it? |
| 19:39.59 | kantor | I installed debian wheezy, but after install it does not boot into GUI interface, actually gnome, it goes through the loading process and at one moment I'm thrown to the tty |
| 19:40.25 | kantor | (I installed debian in the right way, I'm using debian for 5, 6 years now) |
| 19:40.41 | jelly-home | RichiH: for clearing the cache, read about /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches in proc(5) |
| 19:40.48 | tech10171968 | kantor: sounds like a xorg issue. at least, when that happened to me that's exactly what it ended up being |
| 19:40.50 | monadicity | tech10171968, it made me enter my root password in a non-standard dialogue and disabled SELinux |
| 19:41.15 | monadicity | is it saving the root password to disk or something? |
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| 19:41.26 | tech10171968 | monadicity: no, it isn't |
| 19:41.40 | kantor | tech10171968, so you ended up in the same way with wheezy? |
| 19:41.48 | monadicity | do you work on it? |
| 19:42.16 | tech10171968 | kantor: actually, I use Sid. but, yes, the same thing happened to me this past Summer |
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| 19:44.11 | tech10171968 | kantor: first place I looked was /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:45.43 | tech10171968 | monadicity: it's been a few months since I ran that printer, but hplip was/is definitely legit. |
| 19:45.55 | monadicity | thanks |
| 19:46.07 | tech10171968 | np |
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| 19:46.55 | kantor | tech10171968, I will do that right now, I need to go then, bye and thanks |
| 19:47.10 | tech10171968 | kantor: okay |
| 19:49.42 | monadicity | oh hplip is actually in the debian repo! |
| 19:50.08 | tech10171968 | monadicity: yeah, I thought that's where you got it |
| 19:50.25 | monadicity | I installed it from sourceforge when I was using fedora |
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| 19:51.29 | tech10171968 | monadicity: well, either way you should be good to go. And don't forget, you'll need cups as well |
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| 19:52.12 | shingouz | i would like to get somthing running that would let me mount/umount usb sticks graphically via pcmanfm. halevt, autofs, usbmount give me such a headache that i am beginning to get to the point of actually teaching mrs. shingouz to use the terminal for mounting/umounting and a few other things. running testing on this one, btw. |
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| 19:53.41 | tech10171968 | shingouz: pcmanfm? are you using xfce? |
| 19:54.03 | shingouz | tech10171968: naah, openbox with cairo-dock and xcompmgr |
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| 19:54.27 | tech10171968 | okay |
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| 19:55.33 | shingouz | personally i do not care what the desktop really is, the main problem is that i have only about 2G of space on the filesystem so i cannot install anything huge on the poor ol' eeepc |
| 19:55.36 | tech10171968 | not sure if there is a standalone option to do that. Not saying there isn't one, just saying I don't know of one |
| 19:56.24 | shingouz | tech10171968: hints on what would work instead of the setup currently on the box? |
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| 19:57.02 | tech10171968 | shingouz: BTW, KDE does exactly what you were asking about |
| 19:57.10 | monadicity | A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS" |
| 19:57.16 | monadicity | whatwould you use as the password here? |
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| 19:57.23 | tech10171968 | monadcity: this is normal |
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| 19:57.43 | shingouz | tech10171968: yeah and it eats up space like nobodys business. i only have two gigs to play with here |
| 19:57.47 | tech10171968 | monadicity: you need to be root |
| 19:57.54 | monadicity | ah, i see |
| 19:57.59 | tech10171968 | shingouz: I understand |
| 19:59.07 | tech10171968 | shingouz: you eve try PySDM? |
| 19:59.11 | tech10171968 | *ever |
| 19:59.20 | shingouz | tech10171968: another option begins to sound like a good idea. teach mrs. shingouz vi, latex and a few minor commands... pysdm? lets see |
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| 19:59.56 | tech10171968 | shingouz: my roomate told me about it. it's a graphical moun manager |
| 19:59.59 | tech10171968 | *mount |
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| 20:00.33 | shingouz | tech10171968: does not seem to be on the repos |
| 20:00.40 | shingouz | you sure about the spelling? |
| 20:00.51 | bob_p | good morning - does anyone here know about canyon lands architecture and about device tree branching? |
| 20:01.14 | tech10171968 | shingouz: it's a standalone mount manager. I think it's distro-agnostic |
| 20:01.26 | tech10171968 | son't think it would be in the repos |
| 20:01.32 | tech10171968 | *don't |
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| 20:02.34 | tech10171968 | shingouz: http://pysdm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:03.04 | tech10171968 | had to google that one |
| 20:03.22 | shingouz | tech10171968: i really do not want to go the configure/install way on this box, creates easily too much maintenance overhead |
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| 20:04.29 | tech10171968 | shingouz: I understand. but, sooner or later, you'll probably end up compiling anyways. Just use checkinstall to turn it into a deb then you can manage it just like the rest of the packages |
| 20:05.22 | shingouz | tech10171968: trust me on this, i have done more than enough compiling... |
| 20:05.37 | tech10171968 | LOL! |
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| 20:06.37 | tech10171968 | shingouz: that was the only option I know of. And I wouldn't have know about that if my rommie didn't say something |
| 20:06.45 | tech10171968 | *roomie |
| 20:07.00 | shingouz | tech10171968: i still have nightmares about patched custom 2.0 and 2.2 kernels with cpqarray statically inserted just to get the frigging things booting cleanly |
| 20:07.27 | shingouz | tech10171968: thanks, ill do some more googling and see waht i can come up with |
| 20:07.28 | epinky | hello, I'm having trouble enabling CGI in debian 5, could anyone help? a perl script does not execute, it just tries to download |
| 20:07.43 | tech10171968 | thinks shingouz probably had PTSD from doing that |
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| 20:08.55 | shingouz | naah, only got addicted to tylenol... :p |
| 20:09.44 | tech10171968 | lol |
| 20:09.49 | chaos_4 | well ok linux dont need defrag. ? |
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| 20:10.07 | chaos_4 | i hawe a simple case that would create a fragmented file. |
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| 20:10.19 | tech10171968 | choas_4: that's the beauty of using a jounaling filesystem |
| 20:10.25 | chaos_4 | imagine a program. decoding a wideo. |
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| 20:10.46 | chaos_4 | it requested from fs driver 1mb space for video header :D |
| 20:11.03 | chaos_4 | so fs driver provided 1mb contignous space :D |
| 20:11.17 | chaos_4 | well anything is fine there :D for now :/ |
| 20:11.21 | tech10171968 | shingouz: now he says that there is a QT-based GUI mount manager |
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| 20:11.40 | chaos_4 | so after starting decoding program fill extend(add new fragmets .) |
| 20:11.53 | shingouz | tech10171968: on a gtk-only system with limited disk :) |
| 20:12.18 | aFeijo | hello folks, how could I configure a new account to be restrained into his HOME folder only? I'd set it to be in /www/sites/project, so that user couldn't be able to read any file out site $HOME |
| 20:12.19 | tech10171968 | shingouz: oops |
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| 20:12.45 | tech10171968 | shingouz: somehow I'm thinking your optios are going to be a bit limited |
| 20:12.52 | tech10171968 | *options |
| 20:13.02 | shingouz | tech10171968: i have the same sinking feeling here |
| 20:13.09 | chaos_4 | @shingouz but will fs driver /(kernel ? ) provide new bigger fragment? if ewen so that will slow down the process |
| 20:13.34 | chaos_4 | for ewery frame (file saving request i mean ) |
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| 20:14.35 | shingouz | chaos_4: you lost me |
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| 20:15.00 | yhsdu | I have a new cheap vserver with Debian 6.0 installed but it's with lots of crapware and a tainted kernel. How do I change it into a clean minimal install as much as possible? |
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| 20:18.01 | chaos_4 | Linuxez needz defragmenterz :D |
| 20:18.14 | wols_ | chaos_4: it has |
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| 20:18.47 | shingouz | yhsdu: if you have root and the normal tools (apt-get, aptitude) on the thing you should be able to do it with some elbow grease. if no root and no tools... i think you know the answer |
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| 20:18.56 | chaos_4 | @wols_ for i found some of them but fs2defrag do not support ext4 |
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| 20:19.32 | chaos_4 | @wols_ do you know any ? |
| 20:19.49 | wols_ | man e4defrag |
| 20:20.04 | chaos_4 | i fell like am late for work when using framented filesystems :D |
| 20:20.27 | wols_ | fs2defrag doesn't seem to exist |
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| 20:22.16 | yhsdu | shingouz: ?? how could one change the system state without root? of course I have root |
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| 20:23.17 | shingouz | yhsdu: in that case i have the feeling you could apt-get the proper pieces on the box and remove the ones you do not like |
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| 20:23.39 | yhsdu | shingouz: I want a clean base install |
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| 20:23.59 | furryhead | Sooo, i have a laptop without a ether port, no cdrw, a partitioned hdd all ready for debian.... i have a linux bootdisc (not debian) but i can't write cds |
| 20:24.05 | furryhead | And ideas to install debian? |
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| 20:24.57 | shingouz | !tell yhsdu about debootstrap |
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| 20:25.01 | wols_ | furryhead: what OS does run on it right now? |
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| 20:25.23 | jhutchins_wk | furryhead: What is your "bootdisk"? |
| 20:25.45 | furryhead | wols_: hdd is blank, partitioned out readey for a debian install. I have a puppylinux cd |
| 20:25.54 | furryhead | jhutchins_wk: puppyliinux cd |
| 20:26.15 | wols_ | furryhead: how can you boot the system at all? |
| 20:26.26 | wols_ | if you can boot with puppylinux, use debootstrap as suggested |
| 20:26.52 | shingouz | !tell furryhead about debootstrap |
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| 20:28.08 | furryhead | I tried debootstrap on another distro, it can never find MAKEDEV |
| 20:28.23 | furryhead | Google failed me, is there a workaround/solution? |
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| 20:30.41 | jordanm | furryhead: install MAKEDEV? I am pretty sure it's just a perl or shell script |
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| 20:32.29 | xingu | wow, makedev, that's a blast from the past. |
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| 20:36.24 | nvz | [1;5B |
| 20:36.31 | monadicity | anyone know how to make iceweasel windows stop flashing? its driving me mad |
| 20:36.43 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:36.59 | monadicity | surely there's an option for it.. but I can't fid it |
| 20:37.37 | wols_ | monadicity: taskbar or firefox tab bar? |
| 20:37.45 | monadicity | taskbar |
| 20:37.53 | nvz | considering I've never seen it flash before I'm thinking you implicitly did something to make it do that |
| 20:38.04 | monadicity | lxde |
| 20:38.10 | wols_ | monadicity: http://superuser.com/questions/63762/is-there-way-to-disable-download-bar-blinking-in-firefox |
| 20:38.26 | wols_ | monadicity: ECHAN I guess :) but the about:config setting is worth a try |
| 20:38.30 | Royaflash | How create and conect 2 vnc4server |
| 20:38.36 | monadicity | ahh thank you |
| 20:38.46 | monadicity | should I have asked this in #lxde instead? |
| 20:39.30 | nvz | Royaflash: ssh in to remote host as a normal user, start vncserver, then logout and run vnc client to connect to it |
| 20:39.40 | monadicity | great :D thanks a lot |
| 20:40.14 | nvz | seems to me like its def you window manager/DE/whatever doing it |
| 20:40.24 | nvz | cause I've never seen it flash before |
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| 20:41.20 | nvz | I'm a hyperaware individual.. any remotely obvious alert annoys the shit out of me.. cause I'm probably already aware of what its trying to tell me.. heh.. so yeah I know how that can be annoying |
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| 20:41.42 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: There are a number of configurations where the screen will flash (white) when a system bell is issued. |
| 20:42.04 | nvz | personally I've considered tearing my microwave apart many times cause it'll beep every few seconds after its done.. and maybe I'm doing something and don't consider it to be an emergency to get something that is done out of a microwave that isnt on.. heh |
| 20:42.08 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: That's usually configurable, but there are certain defaults. |
| 20:42.14 | nvz | in fact most things you microwave say to "let stand" |
| 20:42.40 | monadicity | nvz haha i know the feeling |
| 20:42.48 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, mine does "don't forget your tea" now too. |
| 20:43.15 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: literally? heh.. cause I seen ones that try be all friendly like that with actual messages like enjoy your meal |
| 20:44.07 | nvz | I just have a general feeling that alarms shouldn't be used where there isn't cause for alarm.. like alarm clocks people wake up to every damn day.. I'd be suicidal if not homicidal if I woke up to an alarm every day |
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| 20:44.31 | nvz | if you just go to bed at a decent time and dont take drugs, your circadian rythm and the birds singing outside your window work well enough |
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| 20:44.55 | nvz | I don't consider morning to be a cause for alarm.. or most things people use alarms for |
| 20:45.16 | nvz | though as I said, even in my sleep, I'm more aware than most people are wide awake |
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| 20:48.24 | Royaflash | How create and conect 2 vnc4server? |
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| 20:52.54 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: Nah, just beep. |
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| 20:54.35 | nvz | Royaflash: I answered that already.. unless you're unclear about something specific the only more i can do would be to do it for you and I'm not gonna do that |
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| 20:55.25 | nvz | Royaflash: ssh into the remote host, run the vncserver command to start the server, it'll give you a display number like :1 and you'll then logout of ssh and run vncviewer host_you_sshd_to:1 |
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| 20:58.38 | Royaflash | Not connect |
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| 20:58.38 | furryhead | nvz: you're mad. Lol |
