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| 00:07.46 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Ugh, this is annoying. |
| 00:07.54 | Rosenzweig|Deb | ATI sucks with legacy hardware support. |
| 00:08.08 | Rosenzweig|Deb | At least on Linux. |
| 00:08.11 | DrakkenWarr | ATi sucks period tbh |
| 00:08.18 | DrakkenWarr | agreed on linux |
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| 00:09.07 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Seriously, I can't even open TF2 on this thing. |
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| 00:09.41 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Maybe I can install 12.10? |
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| 00:09.50 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I tried it a while ago but it said the hardware is not supported. :\ |
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| 00:10.22 | Nik05 | Rosenzweig 12.10 what? |
| 00:10.58 | Rosenzweig|Deb | The Catalyst driver v12.10. |
| 00:10.59 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Sorry. |
| 00:11.42 | babilen | dpkg: fglrx dkms |
| 00:11.42 | dpkg | For Squeeze and Wheezy users. Ask me about <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
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| 00:11.52 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 00:11.54 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; experimental/non-free: 1:12.10-1 |
| 00:12.38 | babilen | Rosenzweig|Deb: ^^^ But most cards are supported by the free <radeon> driver that does, however, require you to install firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri packages for hardware 3d acc |
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| 00:17.39 | pmo | yup babilen told me that too and it worked out of the box more or less |
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| 00:18.56 | Rosenzweig|Deb | babilen the free drivers aren't don't run 3.x+ last time I checked. |
| 00:18.58 | streuner_ | more or less? well, if you dont have the skills you shouldnt run sid/experimental |
| 00:19.06 | Rosenzweig|Deb | They had an issue with my shader code when I was programming. |
| 00:19.35 | pmo | streuner_, testing, and thats what you should run on a desktop |
| 00:19.51 | pmo | my issue was that i had one of the new chips with the amd APU |
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| 00:20.28 | pmo | and as most of us know, amd + linux is not a good combination |
| 00:20.35 | streuner_ | pmo, desktop systems are easy, you are always able to change the hardware... |
| 00:20.50 | pmo | what i had was a laptop |
| 00:20.59 | pmo | i use debian testing on my desktop myself |
| 00:21.01 | babilen | Rosenzweig|Deb: What do you mean? |
| 00:21.07 | pmo | no issues.. intel + nvidia |
| 00:21.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rosenzweig|Deb -about radeon |
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| 00:23.54 | Launch_Director | how can i get byobu-screen to restore the session as soon as in login |
| 00:24.43 | Rosenzweig|Deb | babilen, what I mean is that the free drivers didn't like my Shader code for one reason or another. |
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| 00:25.06 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I couldn't use my shaders or certain parts of them. |
| 00:25.07 | rindolf | Hi all. The Debian installation on a VBox 64-bit VM (on Mageia Linux 3/Cauldron x86-64) tells me that Packages.gz from the CDROM is corrupt. But the SHA1sum of the CD-ROM is OK. |
| 00:25.27 | Towzzer | did you get the multi-arch iso? |
| 00:27.04 | babilen | Rosenzweig|Deb: Ok, there is not much I can say about that. I simply wasn't sure what you were referring to by "3.x+" |
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| 00:28.09 | rindolf | Towzzer: I got this - http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian-cd/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 00:29.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell rindolf -about check cd |
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| 00:30.04 | babilen | Towzzer: Could you check if the CD was bruned correctl please? Did you check the checksum of the image too? |
| 00:30.43 | Rosenzweig|Deb | babilen, GL 3.x+. |
| 00:31.02 | Rosenzweig|Deb | That's what I meant. |
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| 00:33.19 | rindolf | babilen, Towzzer : I didn't burn it - I mounted it via VBox. |
| 00:33.33 | rindolf | babilen, Towzzer I'm installing Debian in a VM. |
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| 00:51.07 | Towzzer | I don't have an issue |
| 00:54.07 | monkeymon | hey guys, not sure whree to ask this. notifications from my debian server to my ios device? |
| 00:54.10 | monkeymon | push notifications. |
| 00:54.18 | monkeymon | im trying to figure out what ot use. |
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| 01:05.19 | crolab | monkeymon: what kind of notifications? can you get them in email or sms/text message? |
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| 01:10.12 | monkeymon | crolab: ios system push messages |
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| 01:16.56 | nlux | Hello, is there any need for swap at all considering I have 6 gigs of ram? |
| 01:17.09 | pmo | always good to have one |
| 01:17.11 | homes | nope |
| 01:17.15 | pmo | should something freak out |
| 01:17.25 | mysteriousdaren | nlux: for a server? or desktop box? |
| 01:17.30 | nlux | desktop |
| 01:17.30 | homes | pmo: what do you mean? |
| 01:17.33 | Zeeflo | for a server, you need it |
| 01:17.37 | tpbIsMyL1brary | hi i downloaded a source with "apt-src install" . where does apt-src put the downloaded source? |
| 01:17.37 | homes | Zeeflo: why? |
| 01:17.44 | Zeeflo | and 6 gigs of ram is not alot! |
| 01:17.51 | pmo | homes, some programs might have a nasty memory leak |
| 01:17.56 | pmo | will eat it all up |
| 01:17.59 | nlux | Zeeflo: it kinda is for regular use... |
| 01:18.15 | pmo | i myself have a system with 16gb ram.. i use 1gb swap just in case |
| 01:18.19 | Zeeflo | nlux, yes, but some applications suck alot of mem.. |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | tpbIsMyL1brary: probably $PWD |
| 01:18.28 | nlux | thanks guys |
| 01:18.46 | homes | pmo: if it is a nasty memory leak, with swap what will happen is your system will slow to a crawl and be unresponsive while swapping like hell, until its out of swap, then the OOM killer will start |
| 01:18.59 | tpbIsMyL1brary | abrotman: lol, right |
| 01:19.02 | Zeeflo | besides, are you gonna miss the 1 og 2 gigs of harddrive space you loose to swap? |
| 01:19.03 | tpbIsMyL1brary | thanks |
| 01:19.03 | pmo | sometimes enough to change tty :) |
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| 01:19.26 | Towzzer | it's always better to have swap |
| 01:19.29 | Towzzer | even if you have tons of memory |
| 01:19.33 | homes | Zeeflo: that's a silly argument, he asked if he needed it |
| 01:19.43 | mysteriousdaren | just use a couple gigs to be safe |
| 01:19.43 | Towzzer | because then the system will swap out pages that aren't being used and that free memory can be used for disk cache |
| 01:19.45 | abrotman | right, but you don't need a swap partititon, you can use a swap file instead |
| 01:19.45 | homes | the answer is definitely *no* |
| 01:19.57 | Zeeflo | homes: and what do you think will happen to your system if theres a memory leak or memory hogg, but no swap?! |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | Zeeflo: same thing if it uses all the RAM+swap ? |
| 01:20.10 | homes | Zeeflo: the OOM condition will happen much much faster |
| 01:20.33 | tpbIsMyL1brary | swap is counterproductive in new pc/laptops |
| 01:20.33 | nlux | I had a 15 gigs swap partition, is it bad? |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | nlux: you can just use a swap file instead |
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| 01:21.21 | Zeeflo | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq |
| 01:21.26 | Zeeflo | thats why you need swap |
| 01:21.28 | homes | Towzzer: sure, sounds good, often is good, but isn't perfect owing to the problem of not knowing what pages you may need in future, which obviously requires predicting the future |
| 01:21.31 | Zeeflo | and how much swap you need |
| 01:21.36 | tpbIsMyL1brary | pmo: if you have swap it cant save you from mem leak. it'll end up consuming the swap and at the end it's like not having a swap. |
| 01:22.02 | pmo | tpbIsMyL1brary, i notice and hurry to change tty and kill the sinner |
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| 01:22.40 | pmo | this is like the spare tired on your car, you dont *need* it, but its good to have just in case :) |
| 01:23.12 | pmo | and you dont need to do 10gb swap |
| 01:23.18 | pmo | and 1gb is nothing these days |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | swap .. file .. |
| 01:23.30 | pmo | do whatever :) |
| 01:23.36 | pmo | still better than just ram |
| 01:23.48 | tpbIsMyL1brary | pmo: yes but if you're not there (or not quick enough) it'll go bad anyway. also: swap consume the disk. If i have a system block i prefer not to use swap in that case, so i preserve the disk. |
| 01:24.19 | tpbIsMyL1brary | *consumes |
| 01:24.47 | Zeeflo | swap is needed.. Even with 128gb ram.. |
| 01:24.53 | homes | Zeeflo: why? |
| 01:25.01 | Zeeflo | read the link i posted |
| 01:25.05 | Zeeflo | it will explain why |
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| 01:25.33 | abrotman | Zeeflo: no, it doesn't |
| 01:25.36 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Zeeflo: it depends. if you run tons of programs atime you need it. if you close unused programs you dont need it. |
| 01:25.38 | kesroesweyth | Does anyone know how to get screen's -A option to work? I keep having to resize my terminal window when I attach to my screen sessions. |
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| 01:26.20 | homes | Zeeflo: suspend to disk, which is an optional thing, is the most convincing bit on that page for *need* but it's obviously not a need if it's an optional feature |
| 01:26.26 | Zeeflo | and since when is 6gb of phys ram in a server alot? |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | Zeeflo: doesn't that depend on what the server does? |
| 01:27.27 | tpbIsMyL1brary | if i open 10 instances of evince to open big pdf files (for example) and i need to keep them opened, i'll need swap IF i dont have much ram. |
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| 01:27.45 | abrotman | those are some huge PDFs ... |
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| 01:28.06 | homes | i found big gimp images a problem |
| 01:28.07 | Zeeflo | it doesnt matter.. |
| 01:28.13 | tpbIsMyL1brary | (on an old pc i have that scenario, indeed i have some gBytes of swap) |
| 01:28.31 | Zeeflo | if your server needs to push files from phys memory to swap, and theres no swap, youre gonna have a problem |
| 01:28.34 | tpbIsMyL1brary | another use for swap is _hibernation_ |
| 01:28.35 | homes | Zeeflo: we may perhaps know something, or many things you don't, or you think you know something we don't |
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| 01:28.45 | Zeeflo | and you never know if something goes bad |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | Zeeflo: and if you run out of RAM+swap, you'll be okay? |
| 01:28.58 | Zeeflo | yea sure you will! |
| 01:29.04 | Zeeflo | if you like an unresponsive system |
| 01:29.13 | Towzzer | it's still christmas where I am |
| 01:29.15 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.21 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Zeeflo: yes, on a server. but not on a desktop. |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | Zeeflo: i'm not sure why you think RAM alone is bad, but RAM+swap is okay, and is some magic solutoin to running out of memory |
| 01:30.45 | Zeeflo | im not saying ram alone is bad.. I am saying its pretty dumb to wanna take your car for a long drive without the spare wheel! |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | but that's the choice we all have |
| 01:30.56 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Zeeflo: at the end you finish ram and you finish the swap. IMO swap only consume the disk life |
| 01:30.59 | Zeeflo | or enough amount of fuel! |
| 01:31.02 | tpbIsMyL1brary | *consumes |
| 01:31.16 | Launch_Director | anyone know how to start a vncserver on the current session not a different one i keep getting "New 'X' desktop is raspberrypi:1" |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | anyway .. i think we've beat this to death .. move along |
| 01:33.00 | Launch_Director | anyway to send the default desktop? |
| 01:33.53 | pmo | tpbIsMyL1brary, a swap is not so bad for the hdd :) |
| 01:34.03 | pmo | got a 12 year old machine running debian |
| 01:34.06 | pmo | same hdd still :) |
| 01:34.08 | cgh | Launch_Director: i use xfce4, seems cmd "x11vnc -forever -passwd xxxx" works |
| 01:34.11 | abrotman | pmo: please move along |
| 01:34.17 | pmo | ? |
| 01:34.22 | tpbIsMyL1brary | i downloaded the binutils source (via apt-src). is there a way to verify the .dsc file using the debian-keyring keys ? |
| 01:34.34 | Launch_Director | cgh: i know x11 sends the default but anyway to do this with tight? |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | tpbIsMyL1brary: i don't believe so |
| 01:35.35 | tpbIsMyL1brary | pmo: it is, when a program fills completely the swap because of a memory leak. specially if it happens many times. |
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| 01:36.35 | pmo | tpbIsMyL1brary, we are asked to drop the topic |
| 01:36.47 | pmo | i just didnt notice, switching between many tabs right now |
| 01:38.30 | Zeeflo | join the debian offtopic chat if you wanna continue the swap discussion |
| 01:38.36 | Zeeflo | chat = channel |
| 01:42.06 | babilen | tpbIsMyL1brary: Are you looking for dscverify? |
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| 01:47.37 | tpbIsMyL1brary | babilen: what's the difference with gpg? |
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| 01:49.34 | iCarly | is away: zzzzzz! |
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| 01:49.57 | babilen | tpbIsMyL1brary: I don't quite follow -- dscverify "dscverify checks that the GPG signatures on the given .changes or .dsc files are good signatures made by keys in the current Debian keyrings, found in the debian-keyring and debian-maintainers packages" |
| 01:50.00 | iCarly | is back (gone 00:00:09) |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | iCarly: turn that off |
| 01:50.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell iCarly -about away |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | or go away .. either is fine with me |
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| 01:50.56 | djp | huloo debianettes! I'm here to ask the oracle about locales, utf8 and all.. it's drivin me kookoo |
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| 01:52.40 | djp | I'm on a wheezy box, a crunchbanged-up thinkpad. Picking Canada, as location, at install-time, so I got stuck with en_CA.utf8, or somesuch thing |
| 01:53.10 | babilen | djp: So you are running Crunchbang? |
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| 01:53.11 | abrotman | djp: this isn't the crunchbang support channel |
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| 01:53.46 | djp | now, I want to change everything to just en_US.utf8, and I've eddited too many files :) |
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| 01:54.30 | babilen | djp: You want #crunchbang not #debian |
| 01:54.37 | djp | uhhh.. yeah, this is #debian.. I think of myself as a debian-user, via crunchbang |
| 01:54.43 | tpbIsMyL1brary | babilen: so "apt-src install binutils" download the files and then i can check with dscverify if the .dsc uses a gpg key that's part of the debian keyring ? (with no need for root to use 'gpg --recv ...' ) ? i tried dscverify on the downloaded file and it worked. this means that dscverify havent used /root/.gnupg/ keyring am i right? |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | djp: you're mistaken, you want #crunchbang |
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| 01:55.11 | djp | but sure, I'll go bug them |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | djp: this channel support Debian, not everything based-on-debian |
| 01:55.35 | djp | ok, cool, thank you! |
| 01:55.52 | pmo | abrotman, do you know if they will ever update #! to be a desktop again? |
| 01:56.03 | babilen | tpbIsMyL1brary: I've never used apt-src to download a src package - dscverify does /not/ use /root/.gnupg but the debian keyrings (as mentioned above and in the manpage) -- It simply checks if the file has been signed correctly by a key in an official Debian keyring |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | pmo: ask them, how the hell would we know? |
| 01:56.20 | pmo | oh dont know, you could have been some dev or something |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | even if i were, i wouldn't discuss it here |
| 01:56.54 | pmo | moody :/ |
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| 01:56.59 | abrotman | no, it's offtopic |
| 01:57.05 | babilen | tpbIsMyL1brary: but look at --no-default-keyrings, DSCVERIFY_KEYRINGS and --keyring options/envvars |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | i don't understand how that is confusing |
| 01:57.21 | Shoya | question, let's say i was in 10% done of a ddrescue, and i interrupted it with "Ctrl-C", and now the source drive can't be identified, did i finished it off? |
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| 01:57.24 | Shoya | finish* |
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| 01:59.17 | Launch_Director | can't get clipboard transfer to work on vnc |
| 01:59.38 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: what do you mean with "source drive cant be identified" ? |
| 01:59.40 | Launch_Director | unless it's soething else than shift+insert or ctrl+v dunno |
| 01:59.45 | Shoya | also, i just remembered for the past couple hours my sr0 has been making this weird sound, and printing I/O errors from Buffer, here's the output of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/219139/ |
| 02:01.12 | Shoya | as in it's two external drives, /dev/sdb the target drive and new one, and /dev/sdc the faulty one, normally it would have been identified as in KDE would have said "Actions for My Passport" or something of the sort |
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| 02:04.08 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: if "My Passport" is the label of that partition, you can find the corrisponding device name (something like "/dev/sda" or "/dev/sdb" etcetera) by using "ls -lih /dev/disk/by-label/" |
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| 02:05.12 | tpbIsMyL1brary | there you'll find something like "My\ Passport -> ../../sdXx" |
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| 02:06.08 | Shoya | well it doesn't appears |
| 02:06.09 | Shoya | i mean |
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| 02:06.41 | Shoya | not even fdisk -l finds it, also, the drive's been through alot of stress, and i'm trying to recover whatever bits i can |
| 02:06.44 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: try to unplug its usb cable and then plug it again |
| 02:07.09 | Shoya | tried that, lemme check with a diff cable |
| 02:08.18 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: maybe you've better unplug it, turn it off (unplug its power cable) and then open its plastic container to dissipate the hot |
| 02:08.40 | tpbIsMyL1brary | what kind of disk is that? |
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| 02:09.53 | Shoya | it's a WD My Passport, 1TB |
| 02:10.04 | Shoya | with USB 3.0, but i don't have USB 3.0 so meh |
| 02:10.40 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: btw sr0 is the cdrom/dvd. it happens , clean the dvd and if it repeats the I/O errors test the dvd on another computer |
| 02:11.01 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: problem, there's no dvd inside |
| 02:11.24 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: so WD My passport is 'gone' and you're going to trash it but you first need to save the data? |
| 02:11.40 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: yeah, i want to save whatever i can |
| 02:11.47 | Shoya | umm |
| 02:11.52 | Shoya | well this is awkward |
| 02:12.01 | tpbIsMyL1brary | ok, wait i go on ebay to see how it is |
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| 02:12.28 | Shoya | lemme look for the exact one |
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| 02:13.20 | tpbIsMyL1brary | ok, seen. i've something like that. Does it contains a fan? |
| 02:13.22 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: it's My Passport Essential |
| 02:13.57 | Shoya | http://media0.symbios.pk/61vHdKgs-rL._AA1500_sdas.jpg @ tpbIsMyL1brary |
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| 02:15.57 | tpbIsMyL1brary | inside that box there's the hard disk. you need to open the black box and take the HD out (be careful to the adapter in there, the thing connected directly to the HD) |
| 02:16.07 | Shoya | kk |
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| 02:17.14 | tpbIsMyL1brary | then you need to let it cool for some minutes. than you need to put it on something in a way that it stays the more uncovered possible. |
| 02:17.33 | tpbIsMyL1brary | then you can connect it to the pc again. |
| 02:17.36 | Shoya | done |
| 02:17.57 | Shoya | can't i put it somewhere in the desk? |
| 02:18.00 | Guest80273 | I have python versions 2.6 and 2.7 installed. Command ls -l python gives me : "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 5 2012 python -> python2.7" Does it mean that only version 2.7 is used? |
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| 02:18.05 | tpbIsMyL1brary | sniff it, does it smell burned? |
| 02:18.19 | Shoya | afaik, no |
| 02:18.27 | Shoya | i would have noticed it |
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| 02:19.30 | Towzzer | Guest, type python -v |
| 02:19.41 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: yes, find something to put it on. (the best thing could be to keep it uncovered) |
| 02:19.44 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: good thing is, it has a kind of "protective area" all by itself, aka the rubber thingies on the sides |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | Guest80273: it means that /usr/bin/python points at 2.7, so unless the app specifies a specific binary, that's what it will use |
| 02:20.09 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: yes, i know. |
| 02:20.23 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: take the rubber angles away |
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| 02:20.50 | tpbIsMyL1brary | (or you could use them to put the disk on a desk) |
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| 02:21.11 | debz | gud day |
| 02:21.32 | Shoya | right, although it's actually not hot, not even warm |
| 02:21.36 | debz | i have a problem with my debian i have built in lan but i dnt have a connection |
| 02:21.37 | Shoya | it's room temperature |
| 02:22.32 | planet8 | debz, what does "dmesg | grep ifname" say? |
| 02:22.35 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: ok, now connect it to its adapter (the one that was inside the black box) and then connect the adapter to power and than to the usb cable to the pc |
| 02:22.39 | homes | Shoya: sounds like it died more overnight eh |
| 02:22.42 | Towzzer | debz, what does "ifconfig eth0" say |
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| 02:23.12 | Shoya | homes: heh yeah |
| 02:23.13 | Guest80273 | abrotman, in this case if I want an app to use python2.7, I do not need to create a virtual environment ? |
| 02:23.26 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: it only has USB cable |
| 02:23.32 | Shoya | no power cable or such |
| 02:23.41 | tpbIsMyL1brary | ah |
| 02:23.42 | debz | ok il check itnow |
| 02:23.54 | planet8 | Towzzer, you're asuming he has a eth0 |
| 02:24.17 | tpbIsMyL1brary | does ls -lih /dev/disks/by-label/ show something now? |
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| 02:25.03 | chaotic_good | gentlemen!!! |
| 02:25.34 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: is it normal it does a scratching noise? |
| 02:25.41 | Shoya | like 5 secs then stops |
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| 02:25.45 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: no |
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| 02:25.49 | Shoya | damn |
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| 02:26.11 | Shoya | what if i leave it overnight connected? |
| 02:26.51 | tpbIsMyL1brary | does it appears now in /dev/disks/by-label ? |
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| 02:26.55 | Shoya | no |
| 02:26.57 | tpbIsMyL1brary | *appear |
| 02:27.15 | tpbIsMyL1brary | on dmesg? |
| 02:27.29 | Shoya | yes |
| 02:27.36 | debz | the eth10 have rx bytes but theres no tx bytes |
| 02:27.46 | Shoya | want the output? |
| 02:27.46 | debz | im using static ip |
| 02:27.55 | tpbIsMyL1brary | yes |
| 02:27.57 | planet8 | debz, what does "dmesg | grep ifname" say? |
| 02:28.55 | planet8 | debz, I assume you either have more than one net card in the box or that you have changed it a lot. |
| 02:29.00 | debz | udev renamed network interface eth0 to eth10 r8169 link down |
| 02:29.29 | Towzzer | he should be using the r8168 driver also |
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| 02:29.31 | Towzzer | from realtek |
| 02:29.37 | debz | i have only using the built in lan |
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| 02:29.43 | Shoya | http://paste.debian.net/219140/ tpbIsMyL1brary |
| 02:29.45 | planet8 | debz, not answering the question. |
| 02:29.48 | debz | eth10 is not ready |
| 02:30.11 | debz | the dmesg | grep ifname ryt? |
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| 02:30.30 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: the one i'm trying to save is "My Passport 0740 on /dev/sdc" |
| 02:31.46 | chaotic_good | anyone here ever ugrade dlink 150 n router to be able to use it as a wireles sbridge? |
| 02:31.53 | debz | in the otput of dmesg.... theres a number on the left side udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth10,r8169:eth10:link down,addrconf(netdevup):eth10 link is not ready |
| 02:32.12 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: 0748 is a different disk? |
| 02:32.20 | Shoya | yes |
| 02:32.33 | Shoya | the destination drive for the recovery |
| 02:32.56 | Guest80273 | What would be the best way to install 'virtualenv.py' and 'distribute' in Debian Wheezy? |
| 02:33.06 | Towzzer | debz, sounds like the cable is not plugged in maybe? |
| 02:33.16 | tpbIsMyL1brary | from dmesg you can see that it sees the disk but not the partition (it sees sdc but not the sdc1, sdc2, etcetera) |
| 02:33.20 | debz | ive already plug in ryt now |
| 02:34.08 | Shoya | ah |
| 02:34.15 | Shoya | afaik, it's sdc1 |
| 02:34.47 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: i had a similar problem on a LACIE external disk some yrs ago. I opened the box, extracted the HD and i left it there for some minutes without power and without usb cable. after a while i connected it and it worked. |
| 02:34.58 | Shoya | hmm |
| 02:35.22 | Shoya | so i disconnect it for a couple mins aka 30 mins and then try again? |
| 02:35.28 | tpbIsMyL1brary | yes |
| 02:35.34 | Towzzer | how about ifconfig eth10 up |
| 02:35.36 | Towzzer | dhclient eth10 |
| 02:35.45 | Shoya | alright, is it ok to disconnect while it's powered? |
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| 02:35.58 | tpbIsMyL1brary | yes |
| 02:36.14 | tpbIsMyL1brary | does it take the power via usb? |
| 02:36.17 | Shoya | yeah |
| 02:37.12 | tpbIsMyL1brary | you could also try to connect it with another adapter. is the 0748 the same model? |
| 02:37.21 | babilen | Guest80273: "apt-get install python-virtualenv" |
| 02:37.43 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: it's a "WD My Passport" but not Essential, so i think so? |
| 02:38.17 | Shoya | i was trying with the cable from a Buffalo HDD |
| 02:38.22 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: or you could try to connect it to a pc (inside). isnt it sata? |
| 02:38.31 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: cable? |
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| 02:38.42 | chaotic_good | debian!!! |
| 02:38.43 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: the same cable, USB 3.0 SS |
| 02:38.45 | chaotic_good | hows deb? |
| 02:38.47 | chaotic_good | have not tried it |
| 02:38.55 | chaotic_good | heard the e bay runs deb |
| 02:39.02 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: if you think the problem could be the cable you can test it. |
| 02:39.30 | debz | still the dmesg link not ready |
| 02:39.54 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: use the other usb cable. |
| 02:40.50 | babilen | Guest80273: Oh, and you are looking for python-setuptools -- But if you simply want a script to use python2.7 you can use a hashbang such as "#!/usr/bin/env python2.7" or "#!/usr/bin/python2.7" |
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| 02:41.35 | planet8 | debz, it will never become ready, my guess is that you have more than one card in the machine and udev has changed the name of the card. Remove the "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" file, reboot the machine, and the card will come up as eth0 again. |
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| 02:42.23 | debz | ok il try now |
| 02:43.15 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: nope, not the cable |
| 02:43.32 | debz | planet8 |
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| 02:43.41 | debz | theres a lot inside here |
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| 02:43.55 | debz | i use nano then the command |
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| 02:45.28 | planet8 | debz, nano? What command? |
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| 02:48.26 | debz | nano /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules the one uve gave |
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| 02:49.35 | dvs | debz: nano? I thought he said delete it, as in rm |
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| 02:50.17 | planet8 | debz, I wrote "Remove" |
| 02:50.24 | leafwiz | Hi, I'm trying to go back from the radeon driver I tried , since it makes my system unstable. But I then don't understand why X11 still loads the radeon driver even if I have vesa as the driver in xorg.conf ? http://pastebin.com/4QypQ6mP |
| 02:50.32 | debz | oh isee so i will delete manually in folder? |
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| 02:50.50 | leafwiz | I have tried aptitude remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 02:51.21 | planet8 | debz, yes, the "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" file, then reboot. There are other ways in dealing with this, but this is an easy solution. |
| 02:51.24 | debz | theres a lot of numbers here so only that file. |
| 02:51.36 | planet8 | debz, only that file. |
| 02:52.08 | debz | ok |
| 02:52.17 | debz | im rebooting ryt now |
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| 02:54.04 | Guest80273 | babilen, the instructions for app called galaxy recommend to "use a clean Python interpreter and to accomplish this with virtualenv.py installation from bitbucket.org/ianb/virtualenv and then to use command /usr/bin/python2.6 virtualenv.py --no-site-packages galaxy_env. So, apt-get install python-virtualenv will install virtualenv.py Then what about the second command, what does '--no-site-packages' means? |
| 02:54.09 | planet8 | leafwiz, what does "lsmod | grep video" say? |
| 02:54.40 | babilen | Guest80273: http://docs.python.org/3/install/index.html + #python |
| 02:54.53 | leafwiz | planet8, nothing. |
| 02:55.03 | babilen | Guest80273: Oh, and make that: http://docs.python.org/2.7/install/index.html for 2.7 |
| 02:55.53 | babilen | Guest80273: I would also recommend to simply use pip (as in http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip (apt-get install python-pip)) to install something from the cheeseshop inside the virtualenv |
| 02:55.57 | leafwiz | I am using ubuntu, so... But I was hoping since the system are so similar that somenone here might be able to help me. |
| 02:56.08 | Guest80273 | abrotman, thanks for explanation |
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| 02:56.18 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: you can try to connect it inside a pc connecting it to the two sata cables (shutdown the pc before ) or you can wait 30 mins to connect it via usb again |
| 02:56.19 | Guest80273 | babilen, thanks |
| 02:56.22 | planet8 | leafwiz, you're on the wrong channel. |
| 02:56.43 | babilen | Guest80273: But seriously: Take it to #python as this is hardly a Debian specific issue. Note that you can install almost everything as Debian package (search, e.g. "apt-cache search python pip") |
| 02:56.49 | leafwiz | planet8, oki |
| 02:56.49 | planet8 | leafwiz, Ubuntu is not Debian, Ubuntu has a lot of scripts and stuff that mess with the setup. |
| 02:57.13 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: it's a laptop |
| 02:58.20 | Shoya | i will disconnect it for an hour and try again |
| 02:58.58 | Shoya | might as well do some stuff to be entertained meanwhile |
| 02:59.04 | Shoya | shutting pc nao then |
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| 02:59.59 | chaotic_good | can debian be a wireless bridge with a wireless card? |
| 03:00.51 | dvs | Shoya: It could be power problems, like the included instructions say |
| 03:01.14 | Shoya | dvs: what instructions? |
| 03:01.37 | dvs | Shoya: The one's that came with the drive |
| 03:01.52 | Shoya | oh |
| 03:01.55 | Shoya | uhh right |
| 03:02.16 | Shoya | well |
| 03:02.31 | debz | still no rx and trasnfer bytes |
| 03:02.33 | Shoya | i'm turning it off then, will try in 30m-1h |
| 03:02.46 | Shoya | bai bai, gonna report in when i do it |
| 03:02.59 | Shoya | and thanks for the help dvs and tpbIsMyL1brary |
| 03:03.29 | tpbIsMyL1brary | no problem |
| 03:03.37 | debz | i use d dmesg | grep eth and said driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus type methods |
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| 03:04.58 | chaotic_good | cherrypy looks to be a pretty dope python web tool |
| 03:05.03 | Launch_Director | how do you launch a gtk app when logged in as ssh.. it won't let me run it "(transmission-gtk:19566): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 03:05.09 | Launch_Director | i just want to run it not see it |
| 03:05.26 | Launch_Director | s/as/with/ |
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| 03:08.06 | tpbIsMyL1brary | how can i use the .diff file obtained from apt-src install binutils ? |
| 03:10.02 | tpbIsMyL1brary | i untarred binutils...tar.gz then "gunzip binut*diff.gz; cd binut*; patch < ../binut*.diff" is that right? |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | tpbIsMyL1brary: are you trying to alter the package, or just build from source? |
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| 03:11.30 | tpbIsMyL1brary | abrotman: i want to compile binutils with the "--target=mips-linux-elf" |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | so you've already changed the rules file? |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tpbIsMyL1brary about package recompile |
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| 03:12.49 | tpbIsMyL1brary | abrotman: i have only gunzipped the .diff.gz and untarred the file, then i used patch. |
| 03:13.38 | chaotic_good | mass produced housing powred by debian robots! |
| 03:13.52 | debz | planet |
| 03:14.01 | debz | still dnt have connection |
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| 03:14.48 | tpbIsMyL1brary | abrotman: is it better "apt-src install" or "apt-get source" |
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| 03:18.35 | JohnnyL | hi, i just replaced my din keyboard and mouse with usb. now I have to press power button on the computer to unlock the screen, the keyboard and usb are not recognized to unlock the computer. |
| 03:18.41 | JohnnyL | what do i do |
| 03:18.43 | JohnnyL | ? |
| 03:18.45 | JohnnyL | thanks |
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| 03:26.02 | rindolf | Hi all. dh-make-perl Module::Format is giving me <<< fatal: 'upstream/0..4' is not a valid tag name.>>> can anyone help? |
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| 03:27.49 | chaotic_good | if perl then cpan |
| 03:27.54 | chaotic_good | cpanm oops |
| 03:28.01 | chaotic_good | cpan minus is really rokkinz |
| 03:28.15 | chaotic_good | curl installer is c00l |
| 03:29.34 | Infiltrator | rindolf: If you're talking about git tags, then that is not a valid tag name because of the '/'. |
| 03:29.48 | Infiltrator | rindolf: Have you made any modifications? What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 04:05.21 | optraz | wheezy is debian 6 or debian 7 / |
| 04:05.21 | optraz | ? |
| 04:05.39 | dvs | will be 7 |
| 04:05.47 | optraz | ok |
| 04:06.14 | debz | what dows it mean please use bus_type methods sd needs updating |
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| 04:07.52 | optraz | i need this lib, libavdevice.so.52 but it is not in wheezy, i try to make a workaround using symlink to libavdevice.so.53 but it is smart enough to detect the variable version 52, any idea what are other workaround as the package is not exists in wheezy? |
| 04:08.06 | wols_ | !tell optraz about dmm |
| 04:09.16 | optraz | wols_: that lib is in dmm repo? |
| 04:09.50 | wols_ | you can check. and if not, all you can do is compile it yourself |
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| 04:10.08 | wols_ | or get it from an older debian. just unpack it manually and don't install it as a package |
| 04:10.35 | optraz | you mean unpack that package, and place that one lib file into the /usr/lib dir? |
| 04:10.46 | wols_ | yes |
| 04:10.59 | wols_ | run ldconfig of course before running your program |
| 04:11.03 | optraz | okay, thank you. may i have the repo that contain the package libavdevice52 ? |
| 04:11.08 | somiaj | optraz: why do you need that paticular version of the lib? Is this some third party binary you can't complie against the versions you have? |
| 04:11.25 | optraz | somiaj: it's a proprietary package. |
| 04:11.36 | optraz | somiaj: it wont start without lib satisfying |
| 04:12.18 | somiaj | well you can as wols_ suggested copy the libs onto your system (or put them in /usr/local so you know that dpkg didn't put them there) |
| 04:12.44 | somiaj | but to me that seems like a hack and you should try to get the package to install nicely in wheezy. But sometimes that is the best you can do. |
| 04:12.54 | optraz | somiaj: in /usr/local/lib ? |
| 04:13.11 | optraz | somiaj: i search the pacakgename using apt in wheezy, none found |
| 04:13.42 | somiaj | optraz: you will have to get that lib from somewhere besides wheezy since it is not in wheezy. You can use snapshot.debian.org to try to find it |
| 04:13.49 | somiaj | or compile it yourself |
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| 04:18.14 | tux-world | hi all. after reconfigure plymouth for debian sid in bootup debian. i cant get high resulation for kde. |
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| 04:21.09 | somiaj | tux-world: what video drivers were you using? |
| 04:21.28 | somiaj | are you using radeon or nouveau? or were you using non-free drivers |
| 04:21.45 | somiaj | I think the graphical boot prgram is loading a framebuffer that is conflicting with kms and thus your video resolution in x |
| 04:22.10 | tux-world | socomm: no i'm using nouveau |
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| 04:22.34 | somiaj | nouveau requires kms to do all of its resolution switching |
| 04:22.55 | somiaj | plymouth might be using an older framebuffer conflicting with kms. I think that is your problem |
| 04:23.04 | somiaj | i.e. kms will not load if you have anothe framebuffer in use |
| 04:23.22 | tux-world | socomm: how to repair this problem. |
| 04:23.41 | somiaj | I have no clue about plymouth, but you may not be able to use it with nouveau |
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| 04:24.21 | somiaj | I would ask the plymouth people what framebuffer plymouth uses and if it is possible to configure it to use kms |
| 04:24.28 | somiaj | if you can't make it use kms you won't be able to mix the two |
| 04:24.53 | debz | driver 'sd' needs updating -please use bus_type methods r8169:eth0:link down ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 04:24.58 | debz | what does it mean |
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| 04:25.12 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: well it work, lets hope it doesn't do anything mean during the ddrescue |
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| 04:28.39 | optraz | thanks wols_ somiaj it works. :) |
| 04:29.56 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: the important thing is that it doesnt burn :P |
| 04:30.04 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: hopefully |
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| 04:30.20 | optraz | somiaj: does snapshot.debian.org will store all the compile binary package for all deb released? |
| 04:30.25 | tpbIsMyL1brary | you can also 'pause' the thing using Ctrl+Z and then after some minutes 'fg' |
| 04:30.40 | optraz | somiaj: wols_ by the way, i put the extracted lib in /usr/local/lib and ran ldconfig |
| 04:30.50 | debz | is there any method |
| 04:31.02 | debz | for have to work by built in lan |
| 04:31.17 | somiaj | optraz: just one note, if for somereason |
| 04:31.22 | tuv | which agent is lighter: munin-node or zabbix-agent? |
| 04:31.55 | somiaj | optraz: (doubt this) dpkg installs that same lib in /usr/lib, the one you put in /usr/local/lib will be default and could cause problems...so just rember you did that |
| 04:32.05 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: if the problem repeats frequently you can try to renice the process (like "renice 5 $(pidof ddrescue)" ) so that it slows the job (the job will last longer but the copying process will be lighter) |
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| 04:33.36 | Shoya | what does renice do? |
| 04:33.41 | optraz | somiaj: ok, that could be a big problem, how do i only make sure that app use that lib only? so that the rest of the system using whatever install using apt ? |
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| 04:36.18 | somiaj | optraz: since that version of the lib is not in wheezy any packges compiled for wheezy will not request it |
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| 04:36.48 | somiaj | optraz: it shouldn't be an issue, just saying rember what you did in case some strange bug appears. The best suggestion is to get the actual app in question to be compiled against libs in wheezy |
| 04:37.33 | optraz | somiaj: okay, smarty... you said *version*. i would interpret as the packages in wheezy which depend on libavdevice which it in wheezy is of name libavdevice53:amd64 , so i guess that wont affect the system ? |
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| 04:37.53 | optraz | somiaj: sure, i will let the company know. thank you for your kind assistance. |
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| 04:39.06 | somiaj | optraz: correct, things compiled for wheezy should not be compiled against that one lib you added. (: |
| 04:39.14 | somiaj | optraz: (Since htat lib is not in wheezy inthe first place) |
| 04:40.12 | optraz | smarty debian.. :) love this distro |
| 04:40.18 | optraz | +1 somiaj |
| 04:40.30 | optraz | +1 wols_ |
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| 04:43.31 | somiaj | optraz: note now that wheezy is frozen, building against the libs in wheezy should not change before the release and in its lifetime. |
| 04:43.53 | somiaj | optraz: so the company making the package need not worry about this lib version changing in wheezy in the future (there are rare exceptions to this but I doubt this lib will be one of them)( |
| 04:44.37 | optraz | alright. |
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| 04:50.59 | metaphysician | How can you have a complete Debian GNU/Linux experience on an offline machine? |
| 04:51.23 | ToeTag | Hey guys, I'm running <testing> with XFCE and i use ArandR to manage orientation of two monitors....do you know what config file that application writes to so I can see what it's doing? I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:51.50 | somiaj | ToeTag: have you tried the manpage? |
| 04:52.04 | burhan|work | how do I configure apt to only download nginx from the official repository (from nginx.org) and not the debian repository? |
| 04:52.14 | somiaj | my guess is it is some .foo in your $HOME ToeTag, man arandr should tell you where that file is located |
| 04:52.27 | DrakkenWarr | as far as I recall is saves to a .conf file in your home dir |
| 04:52.28 | ToeTag | somiaj: thank you, I should have but didn't |
| 04:52.28 | burhan|work | I've added it already, but I want to make sure it doesn't update it from another repository in the future. |
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| 04:52.45 | metaphysician | burhan|work: apt pinning? |
| 04:53.00 | somiaj | burhan|work: be careful here. you don't want to just install .deb's compiled for some version of debian (or ubuntu, etc) that isn't the same as you are using |
| 04:53.06 | burhan|work | thanks, I can google that :) |
| 04:53.12 | failor | hey guys, i'm in doubt having /usr/bin/make and cpan says "make []", i know it is not debian related question, but still, any tips? |
| 04:53.25 | somiaj | burhan|work: don't just assume nginx.org is making a sane deb for your system. If you trust them (this is not suppoted in #debian) follow metaphysician advise on pinning |
| 04:54.30 | burhan|work | I need an updated version and I would rather not compile and write init scripts. |
| 04:55.06 | somiaj | burhan|work: again make sure the .deb is comipled against your version of debian. If not you should compile your own package |
| 04:55.16 | somiaj | ,v nginx |
| 04:55.17 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2; sid: 1.2.6-1 |
| 04:55.33 | somiaj | burhan|work: what version of deban are you running and what version of ngnix do you want? |
| 04:56.43 | burhan|work | I'm running 6.0.6 and I want 1.2.6 |
| 04:56.59 | somiaj | are you sure 1.2.1 from squeeze-backports will not work? |
| 04:57.12 | somiaj | ,check-backport ngnix |
| 04:57.13 | burhan|work | plus, I also want php-fpm but I am debating to install dotdeb repo as they have known to break stuff. |
| 04:57.14 | judd | No package named 'ngnix' was found in sid/i386. |
| 04:57.25 | somiaj | ,check-backport nginx |
| 04:57.36 | judd | Backporting package nginx in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 04:58.04 | somiaj | burhan|work: my suggestion is to /msg dpkg ssbp and follow those instructions to make a backport from sid (which has version 1.2.6) |
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| 04:58.38 | somiaj | burhan|work: again I do not know about the quality of these third party repos, they could be just fine. just make sure they are squeeze repos and not ubuntu, or some other version of debian repo |
| 04:58.51 | somiaj | burhan|work: I try to stick with offical debian packages whenever possible |
| 04:58.54 | burhan|work | no I trust the nginx repo, I've used it before. |
| 04:59.14 | burhan|work | but this time I wanted to make sure by some fluke during an apt-get update it doesn't overwrite the nginx with the one from debian. |
| 04:59.34 | burhan|work | and unlike most other 3rd party repos, nginx has separate ones for ubuntu and debian |
| 04:59.43 | somiaj | pinning will do that, but as long as the version in the repo is has a > version it won't be an issue |
| 05:00.21 | burhan|work | ,check-backport php-fpm |
| 05:00.22 | judd | No package named 'php-fpm' was found in sid/i386. |
| 05:00.26 | burhan|work | :( |
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| 05:00.56 | somiaj | getting php-fpm in squeeze seems to be a major issue from what I have seen |
| 05:01.09 | somiaj | ,check-backport php5-fpm |
| 05:01.16 | somiaj | burhan|work: you can also /msg judd check-backport foo |
| 05:01.19 | judd | Backporting package php5-fpm in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 05:01.28 | somiaj | ,check-backport php5 |
| 05:01.37 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 05:02.31 | burhan|work | are you sure about /msg dpkg ssbp ? |
| 05:02.42 | burhan|work | nothing happened |
| 05:03.16 | somiaj | burhan|work: the bot should have responded to you |
| 05:03.29 | somiaj | it will just be in a msg or private window, worked for me |
| 05:03.30 | burhan|work | I think bot is hungover from eggnog |
| 05:03.43 | burhan|work | nothing for me. |
| 05:03.58 | somiaj | !ssbp |
| 05:03.58 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:04.19 | somiaj | add a deb-src line, do step 3) |
| 05:07.25 | burhan|work | I got this "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libc-client-dev." |
| 05:07.28 | burhan|work | should I continue? |
| 05:07.43 | burhan|work | I'm trying it for php5-fpm |
| 05:08.09 | somiaj | yea I would stop, php5-fpm is gonna be a bit annoying to backport. |
| 05:08.21 | somiaj | I have never tried, I have just seen people have issues with it time and time again in here |
| 05:08.28 | burhan|work | hmm, maybe I'll just get a vm with sid on it. |
| 05:08.30 | somiaj | dotdeb works, but I've seen plenty of people break their installs with it. |
| 05:08.34 | burhan|work | its there for sure? |
| 05:08.41 | somiaj | it should be in wheezy |
| 05:08.45 | somiaj | ,v php5-fpm |
| 05:08.46 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-10; sid: 5.4.4-11; experimental: 5.4.9-4 |
| 05:09.07 | somiaj | though neither sid or wheezy are suggested for servers (no security support) |
| 05:09.32 | burhan|work | its just a test vm, I'll go with wheezy. |
| 05:09.35 | somiaj | I really don't have the best advise for you in this situation. I would think waiting for wheezy to stablaize and getting by is the best. |
| 05:09.54 | burhan|work | can I upgrade to wheezy from squeeze or do I have to download a new iso? |
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| 05:10.14 | somiaj | burhan|work: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:10.34 | somiaj | this is still undergoing testing but there are some beta release noets up I belive that say some of the snags to avoid |
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| 05:10.47 | burhan|work | bot doesn't reply to me for some reason |
| 05:11.06 | burhan|work | the query window opens but no reply |
| 05:11.23 | burhan|work | !dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:11.23 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 05:11.49 | somiaj | burhan|work: I have no clue why, I know he only repely to people in #debian (or another chan he is in). I am unsure if you have to be registered |
| 05:13.04 | crolab | ›/2 |
| 05:13.57 | burhan|work | I am identified :( |
| 05:14.05 | burhan|work | oh well, lets see how this update goes. |
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| 05:17.04 | Sidze | hi everyone, I would like to remove recursively some (only those which contains '2011' in their name) directories , what are arguments I must add ? |
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| 05:18.06 | Sidze | rm -Rf /path/to/*-2011-* is ok ? |
| 05:18.21 | somiaj | Sidze: really depends on how those dirs are set up |
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| 05:18.35 | Sidze | rm -Rf /path/*/*-2011-* is better I think ? |
| 05:18.42 | somiaj | Sidze: provided all the dirs on in the same directory, try 'ls -d /path/to/*-2011-* first |
| 05:19.01 | somiaj | Sidze: you can also use find to find all the directories and pipe the output to xargs (to then rm them) |
| 05:19.08 | Sidze | nice :) |
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| 05:20.26 | burhan|work | use find |
| 05:20.45 | burhan|work | find / -name "*2011* -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 05:20.47 | Sidze | yes and then I will can check if yes or not it's ok ;) |
| 05:20.52 | burhan|work | find / -name "*2011*" -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 05:21.08 | burhan|work | find / -name "*2011*" -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 05:21.10 | somiaj | if they are nicely located in a single dir shell globing will work. Also check the list before you rm for safty |
| 05:21.25 | somiaj | maybe do an -exec ls -d {} first to see if the list seems sane |
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| 05:23.32 | Sidze | yes thanks a lot somiaj and burhan|work :) |
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| 05:30.33 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: i shouldn't be getting ipos and opos right? |
| 05:30.51 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: during ddrescue that is, so that means nothing's gonna be rescued damn |
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| 05:36.23 | debz | pls help me how to work my built in lan |
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| 05:39.08 | crolab | debz does it show in lspci |
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| 05:43.47 | debz | what should i say |
| 05:44.05 | burhan|work | debz: are you on a laptop? |
| 05:44.34 | debz | im on desktop |
| 05:44.52 | debz | i dnt have any lan card oinly built in |
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| 05:45.04 | debz | but i cant make it work |
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| 05:46.10 | burhan|work | are you dual booting on Windows? |
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| 05:47.26 | crolab | debz with it built in and you using wheezy - the modules should already be loaded for it - just type ifconfig and then ifconfig eth0 up and ifconfig and see if you got something |
| 05:47.55 | burhan|work | maybe its disabled at the BIOS |
| 05:48.12 | burhan|work | because built-in lan not working? Never heard of that since my gentoo stage 2 days |
| 05:48.13 | somiaj | what do you mean built in, a lan card as a seperate pci card or built into the mobo is the same thing. Figure out what chipset the card uses, install the required firmware if needed. Configure the interface |
| 05:48.16 | debz | it already enable in bios |
| 05:48.36 | debz | im using debian lenny 5.03 with the new mobo asus |
| 05:48.36 | somiaj | so until you can tell us what chipset you are using we cant be of to much mroe help |
| 05:48.50 | somiaj | lenny's kernel may be to old for modern chipsets |
| 05:48.55 | burhan|work | debz: is your network using dhcp or do you have to manually assign IPs? |
| 05:49.10 | debz | built in lan card somiaj |
| 05:49.10 | burhan|work | debz: grep eth* /var/log/messages |
| 05:49.25 | debz | i have to manully assign my ip |
| 05:49.38 | somiaj | debz: you have said that a few times. That is useless info. Get the chipset from lspci |
| 05:49.48 | burhan|work | debz: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:50.25 | somiaj | burhan|work: most likely the lenny kernel doesn't support his card. Get the chipset of the card and figure out the first kernel it was supported in |
| 05:50.43 | debz | how can i get thaht chipset |
| 05:50.53 | somiaj | debz: you have been told three times now, lspci |
| 05:50.56 | burhan|work | debz: lscpi -vv |
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| 05:51.35 | burhan|work | debz: lscpi -vv | grep -i "network" |
| 05:51.59 | debz | ok |
| 05:52.10 | Infiltrator | debz: What's your native language? |
| 05:52.57 | debz | what will i check for the lspci what line |
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| 05:53.29 | somiaj | debz: for any network controlers of coures, or you can put the whole output at paste.debian.net |
| 05:53.31 | burhan|work | debz: anything that says "ethernet" or "network" |
| 05:55.20 | debz | okupon checking lspci -vv |} grep -i ether |
| 05:55.54 | debz | it list down the info of ethernet built lan card |
| 05:56.26 | burhan|work | did you check dmesg to see if it was detected? |
| 05:57.05 | somiaj | so are you goign to answer our question, what chipset dose that card use? |
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| 05:57.46 | burhan|work | it could be that it was detected; but needs manual IP and the person doesn't know how to assign a manual IP. |
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| 05:58.04 | Infiltrator | !tell qos|away -about away |
| 05:58.11 | debz | addrconf(NETDEV_UP):eth0:link is not reaady |
| 05:58.17 | burhan|work | debz: check output of dmesg to see if your card was detected. |
| 05:58.27 | Towzzer | cable not plugged in |
| 05:58.28 | debz | r8169 link down |
| 05:58.37 | burhan|work | its a realtek chipset. |
| 05:58.45 | burhan|work | so its detected |
| 05:58.59 | crolab | r8169 brings nostalgic tears |
| 05:58.59 | debz | im plug in and out the cable |
| 05:59.01 | burhan|work | check the cable |
| 05:59.07 | somiaj | debz: why don't you answer the question you have been asked. What is the chipset of your card? |
| 05:59.12 | burhan|work | debz: did you assign an IP to it? |
| 05:59.16 | debz | already plugin |
| 05:59.31 | debz | realtek |
| 05:59.36 | debz | yes |
| 05:59.39 | somiaj | that isn't a chipset |
| 05:59.41 | somiaj | that is a vendor |
| 05:59.42 | debz | i assign |
| 05:59.58 | burhan|work | what is the ouput of ifconfig ? |
| 06:00.34 | debz | rx bytes have output tx none |
| 06:01.20 | crolab | haha |
| 06:01.30 | burhan|work | ... |
| 06:01.58 | burhan|work | debz: paste the output from ifconfig to paste.debian.net |
| 06:02.32 | debz | ok |
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| 06:04.16 | burhan|work | and then give us the url |
| 06:04.20 | burhan|work | of your paste |
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| 06:07.17 | debz | http://paste.debian.net/219187/ |
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| 06:10.04 | debz | i posted already |
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| 06:13.50 | tux-world | hi all , how can help me in this link? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=90611 |
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| 06:15.57 | debz | guys |
| 06:16.03 | debz | http://paste.debian.net/219187/ |
| 06:16.40 | debz | theres no tx bytes |
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| 06:18.53 | crolab | from the other computer ping 192.168.0.100 |
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| 06:24.49 | debz | what now |
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| 06:28.02 | Infiltrator | debz: Give us the results. |
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| 06:28.20 | Infiltrator | debz: You really haven't noticed that pattern over the past hour or so? |
| 06:29.28 | crolab | has it been an hour already? |
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| 06:30.14 | debz | http://paste.debian.net/219187/ |
| 06:30.47 | Infiltrator | crolab: Not quite; but I added "or so". :P |
| 06:31.28 | Infiltrator | debz: That doesn't look like a ping to me... |
| 06:31.43 | Infiltrator | debz: What is your native language? |
| 06:32.01 | debz | it cant ping |
| 06:32.45 | debz | english |
| 06:33.17 | Infiltrator | debz: I highly doubt that. |
| 06:33.39 | Infiltrator | debz: Please post the output of the ping command instead of just saying that "it cant ping". |
| 06:33.46 | crolab | maybe his age is a factor if english is native language |
| 06:34.05 | debz | ok thanks |
| 06:34.25 | crolab | next we ask if drugs? alcohol problems |
| 06:34.50 | Infiltrator | crolab: I don't think that there is reason to be _too_ crass about it. |
| 06:35.07 | crolab | to not too ;) |
| 06:35.45 | Infiltrator | crolab: ? |
| 06:36.00 | crolab | too means also |
| 06:36.30 | crolab | is taking the heat off debz while he pastebins the ping results |
| 06:36.52 | Infiltrator | debz: I am sure that it will be easier for you to communicate in your native language; hence I ask what it is so that we may direct you to a channel where they speak it. |
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| 06:37.36 | lasers | "Too" also indicates too much of a particular quality. |
| 06:38.23 | Infiltrator | crolab: Too also has the meaning of excessive degree, as in "too much". |
| 06:38.39 | lasers | That Apple laptop is too expensive for me! |
| 06:38.56 | crolab | 2 much |
| 06:39.09 | debz | what ping command |
| 06:39.20 | debz | ping then ip add? |
| 06:41.12 | Infiltrator | crolab: I take it that you're merely trolling? |
| 06:41.44 | crolab | you are playing with debz and have the nerve to call me a troll ?:?? lol 2 much |
| 06:41.46 | Infiltrator | debz: Yes; as in 'ping 192.168.0.100'; but you need to run that from the other computer. |
| 06:42.15 | Infiltrator | crolab: How exactly am I "playing" with him? I'm trying to help him. |
| 06:42.46 | Infiltrator | debz: It really will be easier for you if you tell us your native language so that we can direct you to a channel where they speak it. |
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| 06:52.07 | crolab | thinks Infiltrator native language is klingon |
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| 06:53.25 | Infiltrator | crolab: It's not. |
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| 06:54.18 | debz | im sorry im a filipino |
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| 06:56.36 | crolab | you are a filipino with a working ethernet - what are you doing that makes you think it isn't working - ? is there another computer on the other end of the ethernet cable? |
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| 07:00.22 | edogawaconan | yay wheezy is no longer wheezy/sid |
| 07:01.18 | Shoya | edogawaconan, aren't you on rizon? |
| 07:01.23 | edogawaconan | why yes |
| 07:01.25 | edogawaconan | I am |
| 07:01.26 | Shoya | oh |
| 07:01.31 | Shoya | hai there then |
| 07:01.43 | edogawaconan | hahaha |
| 07:01.47 | edogawaconan | you're in the same channel |
| 07:02.04 | Shoya | yep |
| 07:02.32 | Shoya | anyway, now, what was the package for non-free flash? flashplugin-nonfree wa it? |
| 07:02.35 | Shoya | was* |
| 07:02.46 | edogawaconan | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:03.07 | Infiltrator | debz: No need for you to be sorry. However, I must apologise as I cannot find a Filipino support channel. |
| 07:03.07 | Shoya | hmm weird then |
| 07:03.11 | Infiltrator | Anybody know of it? |
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| 07:03.34 | debz | :D |
| 07:03.42 | Infiltrator | debz: In the meanwhile, can you please try 'ping 192.168.0.100' from the other computer and post the output? |
| 07:04.29 | Shoya | oh right i have to untar it |
| 07:04.30 | Shoya | derp |
| 07:04.51 | edogawaconan | what |
| 07:05.18 | edogawaconan | I think it's just a wrapper which downloads actual files |
| 07:05.40 | debz | network unreachable sir |
| 07:06.35 | Infiltrator | debz: What is the ipconfig on that computer, then? |
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| 07:07.19 | Sean-Der | Does anyone know the i386 libs to play OpenGL games in Wine? |
| 07:07.32 | Shoya | yeah i noticed |
| 07:07.50 | Shoya | darn it i forgot the command for opening .tar.gz |
| 07:08.00 | Shoya | tar -zxvf can't be |
| 07:08.05 | Shoya | cuz it returns an error |
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| 07:08.38 | edogawaconan | but that is the correct command |
| 07:08.44 | edogawaconan | corrupt archive, perhaps? |
| 07:08.58 | Shoya | hmm |
| 07:08.58 | Shoya | maybe |
| 07:09.16 | Sean-Der | Shoya: tar xzvf is correct. Look into 'unp' to save yourself the trouble of remembering that stuff |
| 07:09.37 | edogawaconan | try gzip -t filename.gz to check |
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| 07:10.45 | debz | 192.168.1.116 |
| 07:10.56 | Shoya | weird |
| 07:11.01 | Shoya | can't find the directory |
| 07:11.02 | debz | already configure the debian webserver as same as the host |
| 07:11.09 | Shoya | maybe i should download it from the website itself |
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| 07:11.35 | crolab | you cam |
| 07:12.01 | crolab | you can't cross networks with netmasks 255.255.255.0 |
| 07:12.27 | Shoya | there we go |
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| 07:17.56 | debz | i already configure same netmask |
| 07:18.29 | Shoya | hmm...where's the plugin directory for iceweasel |
| 07:18.50 | crolab | 0.100 can;t do 1.100 with same netmask - |
| 07:19.42 | crolab | that you are using |
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| 07:20.10 | Sidze | Shoya probably in ~/.mozilla/plugins ? |
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| 07:21.48 | homes | Shoya: how's the fucked drive going? |
| 07:21.53 | lxsameer | i download some packages using 'apt-get -d' is there any utility to check their integrity ? |
| 07:22.11 | Shoya | homes: i have no friggin idea, all i know is they are blinking |
| 07:22.30 | homes | ah |
| 07:22.38 | homes | guess thats better than only 1 blinking |
| 07:22.48 | Sidze | lxsameer I never check the integrity of any files :) |
| 07:22.53 | Shoya | now it's only 1 blinking |
| 07:22.57 | Shoya | i'm afraid |
| 07:23.19 | Shoya | also, it has an errsize the size of manhattan |
| 07:23.25 | crolab | are you counting the blinking codes? |
| 07:23.25 | lxsameer | Sidze: me nether, but it seems some of them are corrupted and apt can't unpack them |
| 07:23.30 | Shoya | aka nothing's being rescued |
| 07:23.53 | homes | reminds me, i should really backup this laptop |
| 07:23.55 | Sidze | lxsameer do you use dpkg -i package-name.deb ? |
| 07:24.05 | Shoya | crolab: it's mostly 3 fast blinks |
| 07:24.24 | debz | i laready change the netmas of ip 0.100 to 1.100 |
| 07:24.25 | lxsameer | Sidze: no, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:24.30 | Shoya | 3 fast blinks, stop, again |
| 07:24.39 | Shoya | looped |
| 07:24.53 | Shoya | Sidze: can't find such directory hah |
| 07:25.01 | Sidze | lxsameer hmm it's normal I think |
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| 07:25.49 | Shoya | Sidze: well i found it, it doesn't exist |
| 07:25.55 | Sidze | lxsameer try apt-get update (to refresh the packages available) and after apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade to download packages which are avaialable for you |
| 07:26.34 | Sidze | lxsameer if you want too use the packages you have download, you probably should use "dpkg -i package.deb" where they are |
| 07:27.17 | tux-world | how can help me in this link? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=90611 |
| 07:27.24 | lxsameer | Sidze: thanks |
| 07:28.12 | Sidze | lxsameer you probably never need to use 'apt-get -d' |
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| 07:29.04 | Sidze | Shoya what said this : find / -name mozilla -type d -exec ls -d {} \; |
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| 07:30.29 | crolab | tux-world: have you run Xorg -Configure to make an xorg.conf ? |
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| 07:36.19 | tux-world | crolab: no, how to reconfigure it? |
| 07:39.01 | tux-world | crolab: i dont have xorg.conf and i dont use it |
| 07:39.11 | Sidze | tux-world try xorg -configure |
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| 07:40.02 | tux-world | Sidze: after running that, must be copy into /etx/X11? |
| 07:40.23 | Sidze | tux-world I don't know what's the ouput of this command :) |
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| 07:40.51 | Sidze | tux-world : http://paste.debian.net/ paste me the output I could tell you |
| 07:41.02 | relipse | can i do an rsync inside the post-recieve script and then do a cp to copy the configuration file of the particular server over to the web directory? |
| 07:42.54 | tux-world | Sidze: Server is already active for display 0 |
| 07:43.07 | ompaul | relipse: git question not debian I guess this is what you want https://raw.github.com/zma/usefulscripts/master/script/post-receive |
| 07:43.18 | tux-world | Sidze: stopping kde? |
| 07:44.19 | Sidze | tux-world I really not sure wait other people could help you |
| 07:44.30 | ompaul | tux-world: what is the question |
| 07:45.57 | tux-world | ompaul: after reconfigure plymouth in debina sid. i can't get high resulation for kde |
| 07:46.09 | tux-world | ompaul: this link. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=90611 |
| 07:46.13 | Shoya | Sidze: i found it, had to put plugins though instead of mozilla |
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| 07:47.07 | ompaul | tux-world: http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
| 07:48.00 | ompaul | tux-world: debian docs > wiki > forums :) |
| 07:48.08 | tux-world | ompaul: after using this tutorial i cant' no any change for me |
| 07:48.12 | ompaul | usually but not always |
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| 07:48.43 | tux-world | ompaul: not worked for me, for any change |
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| 07:51.23 | ompaul | tux-world: I don't know plymouth so I would suggest you revert whatever changes you followed and restart kde |
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| 07:53.04 | ompaul | seems whatever you did locked your screen size - to check what sizes are available to you from the menu in classic Settings -> System Settings how you do that on the new version of the menu I've not bothered to learn, I find the new menu hard to cope with with my old man brain |
| 07:53.58 | ompaul | it appears to be under "favourites" /me reverts to classic |
| 07:55.01 | ompaul | Albastos|off: you may not know /away changes the colour of you going away and the nick doesn't need to change - if we all used nick changes this place would be unusable |
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| 07:55.32 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.37 | burhan|work | ompaul: sounds like a client implementation - I don't see it in irssi? |
| 07:55.49 | ompaul | you will notice the names |
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| 07:56.01 | ompaul | highlighted or not |
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| 07:56.28 | burhan|work | hmm |
| 07:56.29 | ompaul | also if someone messages you they will be told you are away |
| 07:56.49 | ompaul | burhan|work: I've only been on irc since 1993 ;-) it's not a new thing |
| 07:56.55 | debz | what kernel in 6.06 |
| 07:57.03 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 07:57.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.32-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 07:59.16 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: renice will decrease the speed of the copy |
| 07:59.40 | Devastator | thepiratebay :P |
| 08:00.40 | Shoya | tpbIsMyL1brary: meh, i don't think it's gonna do any help, since rescued: 0B, ipos: alot, opos: alot, errsize: alot, errors: 1, last successful read: when i started it |
| 08:01.24 | tpbIsMyL1brary | Shoya: to resume the previous ddrescue you need to know the point you've reached the last time (on the src partition and in the dst one) |
| 08:01.58 | Shoya | i think i'll just leave it running all day and night |
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| 08:03.13 | Shoya | then again, i don't think its doing anything worthy |
| 08:03.14 | Shoya | T_T |
| 08:03.55 | ompaul | Shoya: let it run more than once, it tries the parts it couldn't do the first time again after the first "best effort copy" and keeps trying until you tell it to stop |
| 08:04.39 | Shoya | ompaul: so i run it, then wait for it to finish then run it 10 times more? |
| 08:04.49 | ompaul | it will keep trying |
| 08:05.10 | Shoya | ompaul: it doesn't stop after it gets to the 961GB? |
| 08:05.21 | ompaul | read what I said |
| 08:05.29 | Shoya | yeah |
| 08:05.38 | Shoya | i'm kinda tired heh |
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| 08:05.44 | ompaul | run 1 copy what you can - run 2 which is does automatically starts looking at fails |
| 08:05.59 | Shoya | oh ok |
| 08:06.02 | ompaul | 8 hours good - 24 better I know a guy who ran it for weeks |
| 08:06.12 | ompaul | he got a little more data back |
| 08:06.28 | ompaul | he did it more as an experiment but it was good to know he got more and more back |
| 08:06.45 | Shoya | ompaul: i may leave it running until at least new years |
| 08:07.04 | ompaul | until the disk screams at you like it has shattered |
| 08:07.10 | Shoya | o.o |
| 08:07.15 | Shoya | uhh |
| 08:07.19 | ompaul | it will die some day |
| 08:07.22 | Shoya | >.> it did at the start |
| 08:07.29 | Shoya | but now it's quiet |
| 08:07.50 | ompaul | so it has physical issues - let it run go to bed see how you get on this talking isn't helping :) |
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| 08:08.47 | boudiccas | what is this 'atril-thumbnail' that i see quite regularly in atop please? i cant find any reference to it in apt-cache or apt-file, so i'm puzzled, and i dont think that i've seen it before either |
| 08:09.06 | Shoya | ompaul: i guess i'll just go and do stuff around, read books, do stuff to keep me away from the comp i think? after i sleep that is...but i fear i won't be able to sleep as i slept in and out during all day |
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| 08:10.43 | ompaul | boudiccas: you reading comics via evince or some other pdf method? |
| 08:11.23 | ompaul | atril is a simple multi-page document viewe |
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| 08:12.50 | boudiccas | ompaul: no, i do that on my mobile, havent yet on the computer |
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| 08:13.25 | boudiccas | ompaul: so its a genuine proggie then, so no need to worry |
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| 08:17.18 | boudiccas | ompaul: on further checking it comes from my MATE installation, and nowhere else, so no worries. thanks :) |
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| 08:44.46 | debz | i have a problem |
| 08:44.52 | debz | in built in lan |
| 08:44.55 | debz | card |
| 08:45.03 | debz | it wont work |
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| 08:45.45 | pce | debz: what is not working? do you have a error message? |
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| 08:47.44 | debz | dnt have tx |
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| 08:48.46 | Launch_Director | so is it worth perfomance wise to not turn on the GUI? and just have cli apps instead? |
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| 08:51.11 | Sean-Der | Launch_Director: You have a decreased install size, you have smaller attack surface and you are more in tune with the UNIX philosphy |
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| 08:52.31 | somiaj | Launch_Director: depends on your hardware and what you do....though I prefer cli myself |
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| 08:53.16 | Launch_Director | Sean-Der: attack surface? just not sure if it's worth the effort in configuring all apps in cli, but if it means faster than i would |
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| 08:53.22 | Launch_Director | it's for RPi |
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| 08:54.34 | Launch_Director | and i use it for services, torrent, usenet, synergy, login server, etc |
| 08:54.55 | Launch_Director | and all those kinda grind it to a halt |
| 08:54.58 | debz | link down |
| 08:55.35 | Launch_Director | ? |
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| 08:57.19 | Sean-Der | Launch_Director: Honestly I find it easier to use the CLI. Beyond weechat, vim, mutt, ncmpcpp and dwb I don't need much else |
| 08:57.33 | somiaj | Launch_Director: that wasn't for you. If the machine is gonna be a server I wouldn't install any gui in the first place |
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| 08:58.39 | Launch_Director | yeh i'm in the proces of going from transmission to rtorrent.. tbh trans. is the only reason i turn on the x server |
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| 08:59.16 | somiaj | Launch_Director: and as for attack surface, the less applications you have running (such as running an xserver and other gui programs) gives more ways to compermise your system. |
| 08:59.18 | Launch_Director | was just wondering if i'd gain any perfomance boost |
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| 09:00.01 | Sean-Der | Launch_Director: I would guess that you would have a substantial performance boost from avoiding GUI apps. Only one way to tell though, profile it! |
| 09:00.14 | Sean-Der | Or just stop torrenting and stealing stuff :p |
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| 09:00.45 | somiaj | Launch_Director: if you notice a preformance will be dependent on your hardware and bottle necks. But over all you probabaly won't notice it on modern hardware. |
| 09:01.25 | somiaj | once the apps are up and running on modern hardware you won't notice much difference. Since the main bottle neck may be internet speed, or disk write speed or something besides cpu/memory ussage |
| 09:01.32 | Launch_Director | the RPi is modern but perfomance wise it's not |
| 09:01.47 | Launch_Director | Sean-Der: what do you mean profile it? |
| 09:02.16 | Launch_Director | also disk write speed on SD card is very low |
| 09:02.24 | Launch_Director | about 4-5MB/s |
| 09:02.41 | somiaj | Launch_Director: you will use less cpu/resorces. So yea give it a go. (: |
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| 09:03.11 | failor-fu | hey guys i need to get rid of "remembered device" (pci-e wlan card which is removed now) so when i plug in another one it won't set new suffix-nubmer for this specific network interface, sorry for such idiotic question and for my english |
| 09:03.29 | Sean-Der | failor-fu: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 09:04.10 | Sean-Der | Launch_Director: Performance profiling. Its the process of establishing where bottlenecks really are, instead of just guessing |
| 09:04.22 | failor-fu | Sean-Der, thanks, thats what i was talking about, i surprised someone understood it that fast according to description hah |
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| 09:05.24 | Sean-Der | failor-fu: np! I just dealt with this the other day. Its a weird one to google for |
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| 09:07.36 | debz | pls help me |
| 09:07.50 | Sean-Der | debz: Repeat the question please |
| 09:08.21 | debz | i have this motherboard http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H61M_LX3_PLUS_R20/#download |
| 09:08.29 | debz | which i use the built in lan card |
| 09:08.37 | Shoya | anyone know any "console emulators" that can be run in at least amd64? |
| 09:08.38 | debz | it does not work with debian |
| 09:08.42 | somiaj | debz: try to give more info. We need the chipset from the card. |
| 09:08.50 | somiaj | debz: can you please get that from lspci for me this time |
| 09:09.01 | Sean-Der | debz: run 'uname -a' how recent is your kernel. And pastebin and lspci |
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| 09:09.36 | debz | ok |
| 09:10.39 | Sean-Der | debz: Look for the line that says 'Network Controller' |
| 09:11.23 | Shoya | damn |
| 09:12.00 | Sean-Der | Shoya: I use dosbox for old DOS games, thats fun |
| 09:13.09 | debz | here the lspci info http://paste.debian.net/219217/ |
| 09:13.25 | somiaj | Sean-Der: he is running lenny, but I think the card is detected |
| 09:13.42 | somiaj | Sean-Der: I was playing morraf's revenge the other day with dosbox..(: |
| 09:13.44 | debz | any solutions sir |
| 09:13.54 | Shoya | Sean-Der: well i should have worded my question correctly, it was "video game console emulators" like PCSX2, DeSmuME, or Dolphin |
| 09:14.07 | somiaj | debz: line 13 is your ethernet card, the chipset is RTL8111/8168B |
| 09:14.36 | debz | how can make work it? |
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| 09:16.08 | Sean-Der | debz: Any chance you can install Wheezy or at least Squeeze? |
| 09:16.20 | debz | :D |
| 09:16.33 | Sean-Der | somiaj: Lenny is old :/ he shouldn't be using it at all |
| 09:16.39 | Sean-Der | Not even on servers |
| 09:16.43 | debz | i can but the problem is dnt have ide on that mobo :D only sata |
| 09:16.50 | debz | ic |
| 09:17.10 | debz | is there any solutions? |
| 09:17.40 | somiaj | debz: google gave me some issues with that chipset, I don't see an easy method |
| 09:17.43 | somiaj | debz: http://djlab.com/2010/10/fixing-rtl8111-8168b-driver-debian-ubuntu/ |
| 09:17.46 | somiaj | does that seem like your issue? |
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| 09:18.24 | somiaj | the solution is to use the third-party drivers from realtek, which really isn't supported by #debian. Make sure you kinda understand what those instructions are telling you before just doing them on tha tlink |
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| 09:19.08 | debz | yes somiaj |
| 09:19.08 | Sean-Der | Ugh that stinks. I would say try the newest mainline kernel also and see if get lucky |
| 09:20.22 | somiaj | yea I don't know if lenny-backports has a new enough kernel, and lenny->squeeze is a tricky upgrade with adding of udev |
| 09:21.55 | debz | can i replace kernel of lenny to squeeze? |
| 09:22.29 | Sean-Der | yes thats not really an easy way to do it though, but it usually doesn't end well when you use non-free drivers and follow instructions from a 2011 blog :3 |
| 09:22.31 | somiaj | no, because of udev support |
| 09:23.15 | somiaj | looks like you can get 2.6.32 from lenny-backports |
| 09:24.58 | debz | the link you gave me |
| 09:25.07 | debz | is this working? |
| 09:26.32 | somiaj | I have no clue. You can try it, rember you are on an older unsupported version of debian. |
| 09:26.41 | Sean-Der | debz: somiaj Does not have access to the hardware you are using, all we can do is give you general tips on how to troubleshoot |
| 09:27.15 | somiaj | It seems that is your issue, so feel free to try it or upgrade to squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and be follow the instructions well, also make backups) |
| 09:27.26 | Sean-Der | debz: You are running out of date software also, I highly suggest grabbing a Wheezy livecd and checking, jumping into a shell and testing the NIC |
| 09:27.29 | debz | hehe |
| 09:27.45 | debz | somiaj |
| 09:27.58 | debz | the link u gave me theres a installer |
| 09:28.11 | debz | .tar how can i install that |
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| 09:28.56 | somiaj | that is a tar file, seems your knowledge on linux is going to be a bit lacking for this process |
| 09:29.08 | somiaj | you don't install it, you extract it. |
| 09:29.25 | somiaj | but I don't want to help you do something that may or may not work on lenny. |
| 09:30.17 | Launch_Director | is there a way to just set the flags of a file as overwritable instead of 0ing out when RM-ing ? |
| 09:32.09 | debz | where i extract it |
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| 09:33.15 | somiaj | Launch_Director: so you have a file you want to give people write permisions but not rm permisions? |
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| 09:33.34 | mikey | could use chattr append only |
| 09:34.09 | somiaj | I was thinking use a sticky bit, because then couldn't others write to it (including writing 0's) but only the owner can remove. |
| 09:34.17 | Launch_Director | somiaj: no i want to save the SD card by not overwriting it needlessly when deleting a file |
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| 09:34.40 | homes | Launch_Director: deleting files doesn't overwrite anything |
| 09:35.07 | homes | Launch_Director: it merely marks the space as free in the filesystem datastructures |
| 09:35.22 | somiaj | yea all rm a file does is remove the entry of the file from the filesystem database |
| 09:35.28 | homes | Launch_Director: that's why you can delete big files much much faster than you can create them :) |
| 09:35.51 | Launch_Director | so it just clears the flags or just headers |
| 09:36.01 | homes | something like that, yeah. |
| 09:36.05 | somiaj | it also allows for you to recover deleted files if you do a full scan of the disk (provided something else hasn't overwritten the files) |
| 09:36.09 | koollman | Launch_Director: you're trying to solve a problem you don't have yet, with a solution that will probably create problems |
| 09:36.10 | GhostInTheShell | it clears the inode and metadata |
| 09:36.11 | homes | keep backups, and forget about it. |
| 09:36.15 | GhostInTheShell | but not the actual file data |
| 09:37.03 | Launch_Director | heh.. no but i tough RM does a 0out, dunno why i had that notion |
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| 09:37.35 | Launch_Director | so looks like it's same as windows |
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| 09:39.37 | boudiccas | i want to remove libreoffice but how please? i've tried 'apt-get remove libreoffice' and its just removed one package and the rest semi-functional |
| 09:40.17 | Launch_Director | sudo apt-get purge lirbeoffice |
| 09:40.34 | Launch_Director | anyway just put sudo before any remove |
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| 09:40.42 | boudiccas | k, thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 09:40.57 | Sean-Der | boudiccas: remove the config files from your ~ dir |
| 09:40.57 | somiaj | boudiccas: libreoffice is mostlilky just metapackage, must be something messed up with the auto/manual flags |
| 09:40.58 | debz | how |
| 09:41.11 | Sean-Der | Also --purge :) |
| 09:41.14 | somiaj | boudiccas: dpkg -l | grep libreoffice -- remove the rest of the assoicate packages |
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| 09:51.36 | lucho | Hi all! I need some help with debian installer. English isnot my native language... |
| 09:51.52 | mvt007geek | say |
| 09:52.24 | lucho | well, installer freezes at disk partitioning |
| 09:52.42 | lucho | I'm installing debian from my usb pendrive.. |
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| 09:54.08 | lucho | It says some like: "Scanning discs" and the progress bar stop over 50%... |
| 09:54.17 | CQ | hello, is there a way to get date to output epoch ? I know I can input epoch and convert with @ .. but I just need the current epoch |
| 09:54.21 | CQ | in a shell script |
| 09:54.36 | lucho | date +%s ??? |
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| 09:55.13 | lucho | CQ, date +%s |
| 09:55.29 | CQ | lunho groan...I looked at the manpage and didn't find epochs and didn't think to look at plain seconds... thanks :) |
| 09:57.29 | CQ | lucho: sometimes its the easiest things you miss :) |
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| 09:58.28 | lucho | CQ, No problem :) good luck with the script |
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| 09:58.58 | lucho | CQ, and sorry english isn't my native language |
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| 09:59.20 | CQ | no problem... |
| 09:59.31 | lucho | ;) |
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| 09:59.51 | lucho | Well, I have a little problem with my debian installer... |
| 10:00.03 | lucho | I've tryed this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=72275 |
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| 10:00.32 | lucho | but it didn't work :( |
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| 10:00.46 | mvt007geek | can someone tell me the negative points of using lvm? |
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| 10:01.36 | somiaj | mvt007geek: it is an additional layer that requires you have info of the lvm to get the data from inside of it |
| 10:01.38 | koollman | mvt007geek: it adds a layer between your data and your storage. it might means a bit less performance, and more complexity to understand how things work |
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| 10:02.01 | tux-world | how to disable Nepomuk in kde-minimal ? |
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| 10:02.23 | mvt007geek | koollman: can you explain more plz? |
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| 10:02.43 | koollman | mvt007geek: not really. why do you want to know ? |
| 10:02.45 | somiaj | mvt007geek: and if you use lvm to put a single file system across multiple disks that just adds more complexity to the situation. |
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| 10:03.59 | mvt007geek | because someone told me it is better to not use lvm .i am not in contact with him to ask why :) |
| 10:04.26 | koollman | mvt007geek: it is not 'better'. else lvm wouldn't exist |
| 10:04.35 | somiaj | mvt007geek: it really depends on your needs. There are many thigns lvm does really well and is nice to have. If you do not need those extra options. It is an additional layer that makes things more complicated. |
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| 10:06.47 | mvt007geek | somiaj: koollman thank u |
| 10:08.01 | somiaj | if you need the additional features, then the complication is well worth what lvm can do. |
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| 10:09.43 | lucho | mmm... my problem looks like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655099 |
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| 10:10.42 | jackbrownhf | Hi there I installed Google chrome and even if my defaul browser it's Firefox there are some applications that automatically use Chrome as default browser and I don't what this happens. How can I fix ? |
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| 10:12.58 | lucho | jackbrownhf, did you check System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications? |
| 10:13.26 | jackbrownhf | lucho: I did and firefox is the default |
| 10:13.32 | lucho | :\ |
| 10:14.09 | jackbrownhf | lucho: I just opened a link here from XCHAT client and it was opened on chrome |
| 10:14.42 | lucho | apt-get remove --purge google-chrome hahaha xD |
| 10:15.42 | jackbrownhf | lucho: lol this is a solution but i need it cos i can't see flash videos on some websites |
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| 10:16.29 | lucho | I'll google this to help you ;) |
| 10:16.57 | jackbrownhf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.16 | jackbrownhf | lucho: I already did my searches but I found nothing about |
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| 10:17.39 | lucho | No problem ;) |
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| 10:20.13 | lucho | jackbrownhf, did you tryed this solution?: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/46397/how-to-set-downloaded-firefox-to-default-web-browser-in-debian |
| 10:21.02 | jackbrownhf | let's take a look |
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| 10:22.46 | lucho_ | sorry, getting some network problems :) |
| 10:23.00 | kephra | i'm trying to update a squeeze, but suddenly `dselect select` tells: "dselect: error: foreign architectures enabled but multi-arch is not supported" |
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| 10:24.21 | somiaj | kephra: update a squeeze? how did you install forign-architectures, did you mix some of wheezy? |
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| 10:24.56 | kephra | somiaj, well, durruti started as potato ;-) |
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| 10:25.40 | somiaj | well what are you doing? updating fromsqueeze to wheezy? |
| 10:25.45 | kephra | somiaj, the 'funny' thing it worked till right now, till last `dselect update` (sources.list not changed) |
| 10:26.01 | somiaj | or are you running squeeze and update just isn't working |
| 10:26.02 | kephra | so the system is running squeeze for some while already |
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| 10:27.53 | kephra | how can I figure out what packages are i386 - and why does this error happen suddenly after an `dselect update` but !BEFORE! a `dselect install` |
| 10:28.08 | somiaj | care to share your sources.list? You did something strange because the version of dpkg/apt (and probablay dselect) should not support multi-arch in the first place so no clue how you enabled it |
| 10:28.41 | kephra | *oups* s/squeeze/wheezy/ *blush* |
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| 10:29.31 | kephra | http://pastebin.com/hWDCLsQe |
| 10:30.23 | somiaj | is this an i386 or an amd64 install? |
| 10:31.30 | kephra | http://www.google.com/search?q="dselect%3A+error%3A+foreign+architectures+enabled+but+multi-arch+is+not+supported" <- google tells me that this bug first came up april 2012 - but this system is running a while longer |
| 10:31.40 | kephra | somiaj, its an amd64 install |
| 10:32.19 | kephra | last update I made was 105 days ago *blush* 12 sept 2012 - this is long after the first bug reports of this problem |
| 10:32.23 | somiaj | kephra: why not just enable multiarch, dpkg --add-architecture i486? |
| 10:32.34 | somiaj | I mean i386 |
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| 10:33.04 | kephra | dpkg --print-foreign-architectures tells i386 already |
| 10:33.04 | dpkg | kephra: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 10:33.26 | kephra | but dselect fails suddenly |
| 10:33.46 | xingu | dselect? old school. :) |
| 10:33.49 | kephra | dpkg, I rtfm all the time - tell me a keyword and manual page ;-) |
| 10:33.49 | dpkg | no idea, kephra |
| 10:34.18 | somiaj | kephra: that is a bot...(: |
| 10:34.18 | xingu | kephra: not entirely sure dselect has kept pace with multi-arch; is apt(-get) also equally befoozled? |
| 10:35.21 | somiaj | I also though dselect was mostly gone (I think I read someting about it needing a matainer) |
| 10:35.24 | kephra | xingu, I would like to edit selection list - this can not easily done by apt-get |
| 10:35.29 | somiaj | so yea that is what the bugreport I found get. |
| 10:35.35 | xingu | kephra: for that I use dpkg --{get,set}-selections |
| 10:36.02 | kephra | xingu, but this is bad for looking/editing/reverting dependency |
| 10:36.26 | xingu | kephra: depends how strict you are; I added a crontab for it yonks ago and check it into git with a daily diff ;) |
| 10:36.41 | xingu | kephra: needless to say winding the clock back os pretty simple... |
| 10:36.54 | xingu | s/os/is/ |
| 10:37.30 | xingu | kephra: I think the cool kids these days prefer if you use aptitude and auto dep install/prune. |
| 10:37.46 | kephra | my question now is, is there a line to tell me what packages require i386 architecture? |
| 10:38.07 | kephra | aptitude stinks - and dumps core to often |
| 10:38.08 | somiaj | nevermind, it is being matained by the dpkg matainers. looks like you just have found an rc bug. |
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| 10:38.54 | somiaj | kephra: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664893 -- seems that until the bug is fixed you may have to just use apt/aptitude |
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| 10:39.35 | kephra | somiaj, but this bug is from march - i did several dsel updates during that time on that system |
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| 10:39.53 | kephra | so, why does an dselect update suddenly trigger it here |
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| 10:40.35 | xingu | kephra: apt-cache rdepends libc6:i386 maybe? :) |
| 10:40.42 | kephra | how to check what packages are i386 architecture? |
| 10:40.51 | xingu | kephra: apt-cache --installed rdepends libc6:i386 |
| 10:41.08 | xingu | kephra: not exactly 1:1 mapping, but near as damnit. |
| 10:41.47 | xingu | kephra: there's a way to get aptitude to dump/match on arch too |
| 10:42.32 | kephra | *hm* looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info i find lots of files from sept 14 |
| 10:43.05 | kephra | so why does this error come up suddenly several month later - and even much later than the bug report |
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| 10:43.49 | somiaj | kephra: when did you enable multi arch support? |
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| 10:44.21 | somiaj | maybe just due to luck of timing (also realize that bug report is probablay from sid users, not wheezy users so add some time for that) |
| 10:44.42 | kephra | somiaj, on installation of the new hardware of this system - around feb 2012 |
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| 10:47.40 | xingu | kephra: aptitude -F '%p' search '?installed ?architecture(i386)' |
| 10:48.48 | somiaj | kephra: seems this was added to keep people from messing up their install. Maybe due to timing (and filteringin though sid) you just haven't updated since your system got the newer dselect |
| 10:49.22 | somiaj | kephra: you could see if that is the case and use snapshot.debian.org to get an older version fo dselect which will allow you to mess up multi-arch installs |
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| 10:51.42 | xingu | kephra: alternatively... dpkg-query --show --showformat '${Architecture} ${binary:Package}\n' |
| 10:53.01 | kephra | http://pastebin.com/Vq5VbkCr <- i think wine is the 'guilty' package |
| 10:53.16 | xingu | kephra: yep, the link you got from google blames wine. |
| 10:53.34 | xingu | kephra: which is understandable given the swamp of non-lm code they're tracking... |
| 10:54.01 | xingu | hands out pieces of broken .ocx controls to all |
| 10:54.05 | kephra | so I should get rid of wine (dont need it on that system anyway) |
| 10:54.17 | kephra | and ... how to get rid of multiarch then? |
| 10:54.53 | somiaj | kephra: dpkg -l | grep :i386, remove all the i386 packages then dpkg --remove-architecture |
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| 10:55.19 | kephra | *thanks* somiaj - i'll report progress on that ;-) |
| 10:55.32 | kephra | currently doing a normal `apt-get update` |
| 10:56.04 | somiaj | kephra: note some of your amd64 packages may depend on the i386 version (or multi-arch) so you may have to rmove them, like wine, or ia32-libs |
| 10:56.40 | xingu | somiaj: my ia32-libs kind of auto-deprecated itself when multiarch hit sid |
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| 10:57.05 | xingu | somiaj: it was pretty atomic; day to day it was, then got blitzed (from memory due to conflicts on libc6:i386) |
| 10:58.04 | somiaj | xingu: yea multiarch hit me as a suprise on sid (mnostly due to not regular updates) |
| 10:58.23 | xingu | :) |
| 10:58.32 | somiaj | the ia32-libs-gtk was the transition that took a while here |
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| 10:58.59 | kephra | are you as lazy as me? updating once a month, to month a quarter of a year |
| 10:59.26 | xingu | kephra: I pull -dmy dist-upgrade at least weekly and eyeball what's going on. |
| 10:59.40 | xingu | kephra: when I'm feeling in the mood to go hunt wumpus I snapshot and let it rip. |
| 10:59.45 | kephra | xingu, how many sites? |
| 10:59.56 | somiaj | kephra: once things are running and working there is no need to upgrade. It isonly when I install new software that I have to (Which sometimes turns into many days of fixing things cause I dont ugprade regurally) |
| 11:00.11 | xingu | kephra: workstation is the control point; workstation -> me happy -> world. |
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| 11:01.26 | xingu | kephra: a lights-out install of sid is small enough to just snapshot onto sd-card for rollback. |
| 11:01.36 | kephra | btw, for me is an update/upgrade day today - got rid of two lenny systems, who are now running squeeze - upgraded my laptop and one of two desktop systems |
| 11:01.52 | somiaj | I love the joy of wondering what will break when I upgrade my sid box....(: |
| 11:02.33 | kephra | somiaj, you should try Gentoo - breaks happen regulary - and you get rid of hair and weight by stress and bad nutrition ;-) |
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| 11:03.23 | kephra | one reason I use Debian is that I seldom need help - 99% of updates upgrades just work out of the box |
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| 11:03.56 | xingu | I suspect multiarch vs installed base of amd64 is going to flush a few more old timers out. |
| 11:03.57 | cardiel | is it possible to install skype for amd64 without installing the i386 version? |
| 11:04.04 | somiaj | I'm happy with debian. (though I sometimes wish I could use USE flags in debian) |
| 11:04.11 | xingu | consider yourself the leading edge |
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| 11:04.33 | somiaj | cardiel: no, even the amd64 package is just a pseudo i386 package |
| 11:04.47 | xingu | cardiel: there's no amd64 skype build; there's multiarch packages that are installable under amd64 by pulling in short-mode deps. |
| 11:04.59 | xingu | somiaj: the amd64 package died. |
| 11:05.00 | kephra | somiaj, downgrade and package.mask had been the killer features for Gentoo, imho |
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| 11:05.19 | somiaj | xingu: there isn't an older squeeze one, since squeeze doesn't have multiarch? I don't keep up with skype |
| 11:05.21 | cardiel | ok , so how do i install it? i tried several solutions but neither of them worked |
| 11:05.23 | kephra | but maintenance was a nightmare, so I did not extend this experiment |
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| 11:05.32 | xingu | somiaj: nope; gone with skype-4.1 |
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| 11:05.44 | somiaj | cardiel: what version of debian do you run? |
| 11:05.48 | cardiel | somiaj: testing |
| 11:06.00 | somiaj | cardiel: enable multiarch support, install the i386 package |
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| 11:06.14 | cardiel | somiaj: but then i will get loads of i386 packages or? |
| 11:06.34 | somiaj | you will only get thei386 libs needed to run skype |
| 11:06.43 | somiaj | so a good number of packages, but probabaly fairly smal lbecause they are just libs |
| 11:06.50 | xingu | I suspect multiarch may have the unintended consequence of requiring amd64 shops to double the size of their /usr fs. |
| 11:07.01 | cardiel | somiaj: i did that once before , and the i386 dbus package conflicted with the amd64 dbus package , which made my system break |
| 11:07.02 | xingu | which is going to be entertaining. |
| 11:07.30 | xingu | "hmm, I need to repartition; this will be painful; is debian still the best thing for my site?@ |
| 11:08.16 | somiaj | xingu: I don't see why servers will need multiarch. So it shouldn't be an issue |
| 11:08.17 | cardiel | somiaj: maybe ill test again , should i just follow the guide on http://wiki.debian.org/skype , and add multiarch to get it work? |
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| 11:08.47 | xingu | somiaj: the end of ia32-libs does interesting things if you're using short-mode CUDA binaries. |
| 11:09.04 | somiaj | cardiel: that is what you need to do. I don't see why dbus i386 needed to be installed, that seems strange |
| 11:09.23 | kephra | the alternate I'll go on my 64bit desktop is to ban i386 into an LXC |
| 11:09.34 | xingu | somiaj: we'll see how it goes, but there's certainly less pressure to build packages for the native arch now. |
| 11:09.36 | kephra | using LXC on that system already |
| 11:09.37 | cardiel | somiaj: ok, will try again.. |
| 11:10.01 | xingu | somiaj: I suspect within one year or so every debian system will require: a smattering of foreign arch packages. |
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| 11:10.21 | somiaj | xingu: yea it is good to get away from that model, I wonder if the wheezy upgrade will just remove all those packages (and things that depend on them) or force people to multiarch |
| 11:10.26 | cipolla | hello |
| 11:10.29 | cipolla | !list |
| 11:10.29 | dpkg | cipolla: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:10.55 | kephra | somiaj, lets hope they fix dselect before they force multiarch into everybody throat |
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| 11:11.47 | xingu | somiaj: put it this way, if you ask your existing installed base to replan their /usr fs they may well turn around and say "screw you and your obsolete libc, we're off" |
| 11:11.59 | xingu | somiaj: been there done that. :) |
| 11:12.08 | somiaj | xingu: I really hope they keep as many things native as possible, I don't see why opensource packages will stop being compiled for multiple arches. |
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| 11:12.52 | somiaj | kephra: they may, I kinda think you are hanging onto a dead horse. But at least though wheezy it will be supported by dpkg matainers and I"m sure that bug will get fixed (it was on th eTODO list) |
| 11:13.40 | kephra | somiaj, well, i'm an old fart ;-) |
| 11:14.10 | Dwarf | Excuse me while I paste a wall of text |
| 11:14.15 | Dwarf | <Dwarf> Good morning, Could anyone give me some advice on what video driver to install? |
| 11:14.15 | Dwarf | <Dwarf> I have an intel 3000 and a nvidia GT420M |
| 11:14.15 | Dwarf | <Dwarf> At boot I get the message that it can't find the i915 module and that graphics turbo has been disabled (this is from the intel card) |
| 11:14.15 | Dwarf | <Dwarf> So now I'm looking around on http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ but I have no clue on what to do next |
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| 11:14.27 | Dwarf | Heh, typical |
| 11:14.34 | Dwarf | How much of that went through? |
| 11:14.34 | somiaj | Dwarf: what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:14.41 | Dwarf | Debian Wheezy |
| 11:14.43 | kephra | i never managed to like aptitude, and even less the GUI alternatives to dselect |
| 11:14.51 | rgr | intel hd graphiocs |
| 11:14.54 | encrypt | i want to use mail an not uid as DN(to be able to bind) in my openldap.. any tip on how to do that? |
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| 11:15.14 | rgr | http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?lang=eng&changeLang=true&DwnldID=13815 |
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| 11:15.45 | rgr | how can you not like aptitude? Its excellent. |
| 11:16.03 | Dwarf | rgr, thanks for the link, but is there a double check so I can see if my card is on the list? |
| 11:16.16 | rgr | intel 3000 you said? |
| 11:16.26 | Dwarf | Intel HD 3000 yup |
| 11:16.31 | rgr | hen thats the diver |
| 11:16.33 | rgr | driver |
| 11:16.38 | xingu | Dwarf: I suspect you may need http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 11:16.54 | rgr | but you also have a nvidia card in it??!? |
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| 11:17.04 | somiaj | kephra: I've always just used apt-get ... I just was young enough I never got use to dselects, and when ever I used it's ncurses mode I got lost. |
| 11:17.13 | Dwarf | That I do, xingu, but to use that, I need to have my intel card running with graphics turbo first |
| 11:17.35 | nevyn | rgr: optimus has two cards a intel that's wired to outputs and an nvidia that can render to memory |
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| 11:17.59 | kephra | weboot ;-) |
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| 11:18.57 | xingu | I used to use dselect for initial install but later on started making custom install sets that just jammed elections in with --set-selections. |
| 11:19.05 | Dwarf | Alright so intellinuxgraphics it is |
| 11:19.17 | xingu | interactive systems get old fast once you get past a few 10's of nodes. |
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| 11:20.00 | Dwarf | Which version do I get tho? http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2012Q4.html |
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| 11:20.31 | xingu | Dwarf: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:20.36 | Dwarf | Wheezy |
| 11:20.41 | Dwarf | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:20.46 | cardiel | somiaj: after installing skype and doing apt-get -f install i get all this deps , incl libdbus, http://pastebin.com/NiSGpbv6 , wont these conflict with my current install? |
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| 11:21.02 | xingu | Dwarf: doesn't xserver-xorg-video-intel support you out of box? |
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| 11:21.13 | mallxs | Morning.. if upgrade instructions say "backup you configs" .. is there a list or tool for things don't to forget ? |
| 11:21.33 | Dwarf | I'll get a copy of the error I'm getting xingu, hold on |
| 11:21.54 | somiaj | cardiel: libdbus should be multiarch, but again I haven't tried this yet. |
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| 11:22.25 | Dwarf | xingu: this is the error I'm getting http://pastebin.com/B4xMBTdB |
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| 11:26.33 | cardiel | somiaj: ok |
| 11:26.48 | somiaj | libs are multiarch (now dbus itself won't be) |
| 11:26.59 | xingu | Dwarf: try forceloading i915 module at a guess |
| 11:27.50 | xingu | Dwarf: what does /proc/cmdline say? |
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| 11:28.45 | xingu | Dwarf: (as in: cat /proc/cmdline) |
| 11:28.48 | Dwarf | BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=62290213-1ae1-40fc-ac4b-9514695417fd ro quiet |
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| 11:29.13 | Dwarf | How do I force load the i915 module? |
| 11:29.26 | edakiri | Dwarf: modprobe |
| 11:29.32 | edakiri | or insmod |
| 11:29.37 | xingu | Dwarf: try adding i915 to /etc/modules |
| 11:29.51 | edakiri | yes, even better. |
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| 11:30.05 | Dwarf | What would I add? |
| 11:30.12 | Dwarf | I'm sorry I'm quite new to this |
| 11:30.16 | xingu | Dwarf: then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:30.23 | xingu | Dwarf: just the line i915 |
| 11:30.26 | edakiri | /etc/modules only happens at boot though. You can test first with modprobe. |
| 11:30.32 | Dwarf | That simple? |
| 11:30.35 | xingu | then dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:30.45 | xingu | Dwarf: then reboot and see if i915 loads before intel_ips. |
| 11:31.15 | xingu | (this seems like a weak symbol versioning thing - or functional equivalency thereof - in intel_ips itself) |
| 11:32.03 | Dwarf | Alright I'm going to reboot and check dmesg afterwards, I'll come back with the results! |
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| 11:33.01 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 11:33.36 | d3xter | what can be the problem, when xev identifies the pressed key as "XF86KbdBrightnessUp", but acpi_listen doesn't show any events? |
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| 11:36.11 | Dwarf | Ehm |
| 11:36.18 | Dwarf | Do you guys mind if I pastebin my whole dmesg? |
| 11:36.21 | Shoya | umm question, i tried doing a dist-upgrade but dpkg got interrupted and now it doesn't want to do anything, any way to fix that? http://paste.debian.net/219245/ |
| 11:36.25 | xingu | Dwarf: that'd be great |
| 11:36.31 | Dwarf | Alright hang on |
| 11:36.57 | xingu | d3xter: my guess is that your system currently generates key up/down events not acpi events on your brightness control fn-key keypresses. |
| 11:36.59 | Dwarf | http://pastebin.com/tg4mEfDz There ya go mate |
| 11:37.07 | xingu | d3xter: that may or may not be what you want |
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| 11:37.39 | xingu | Dwarf: last line is the important one, note the change? |
| 11:37.44 | Dwarf | Yup |
| 11:37.45 | xingu | Dwarf: at 11.409239 |
| 11:38.00 | d3xter | xingu: i want that to happen :) what does normally generate acpi events from key presses? |
| 11:38.11 | edakiri | Is there something which will log occurrence of high CPU or system heat to syslog? I have a problem where the system power instantly switched off and I suspect it is due to overheating and I wish to know how hot it reached in such a case. |
| 11:38.15 | xingu | d3xter: nothing; usually it's the other way around iff you want it |
| 11:38.21 | Dwarf | So, it loads the driver, then the module, then reloads the driver? |
| 11:38.38 | xingu | d3xter: the boot arg acpi_brightness=vendor may do what you want |
| 11:38.49 | xingu | Dwarf: i915 loads, then intel_ips attaches |
| 11:39.06 | CQ | anyone here knowlegeable on cryptofs? |
| 11:39.13 | xingu | Dwarf: intel_ips is something that allows the EU's (or CPU cores) to turbo to the _total chip package's_ rated TDP |
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| 11:39.35 | d3xter | xingu: is every keypress stated as "XF86...." sent to acpi? |
| 11:39.40 | xingu | Dwarf: rather than each die (GMA vs CPU) to their individual TDP's |
| 11:39.42 | xingu | d3xter: no |
| 11:39.58 | CQ | cryptoswap /dev/mapper/lvmvolume-swap /dev/urandom swap doesn't get set up on bootup |
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| 11:40.00 | xingu | d3xter: again that view is back to front; there's mechanisms for taking ACPI events and turning them into keypresses |
| 11:40.04 | xingu | d3xter: not vice versa. |
| 11:40.12 | d3xter | xingu: oh ok |
| 11:40.19 | Dwarf | Alright so that means I'm good to go? |
| 11:40.21 | xingu | d3xter: my guess is your real question is "why isn't my backlight control working" |
| 11:40.23 | xingu | ;) |
| 11:40.29 | boudiccas | arggh! yesterday i installed libreoffice 3.6.4.3 alongside debian libreoffice in wheezy. today neither worked except via root, so i uninstalled both libreoffices with synaptic, and then reinstalled debain libreoffice with apt-get. but it does not open from the menu. how can i get it working again please? |
| 11:40.44 | boudiccas | right, /config/libreoffice is renamed, but user is still unable to open it, whereas root can very easily. the command is ' /usr/bin/libreoffice --writer' and nothing happens with user it just sits and does nowt, where as root it opens. any ideas please folks? |
| 11:40.53 | d3xter | xingu: exactly :P screen backlight and volume kinda works, so the question is why keyboard backlight doesn't ^^ |
| 11:40.53 | xingu | d3xter: so... thinking laterally try acpi_brightness=vendor then see; if that's not it we'll need to dig into what your notebook is exactly. |
| 11:41.11 | xingu | Dwarf: pretty much |
| 11:41.18 | xingu | Dwarf: next steps are get glx/mesa happening |
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| 11:41.27 | xingu | Dwarf: then once that's done, it's off to bumblebee land. |
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| 11:41.35 | Dwarf | Oh golly :D |
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| 11:41.52 | Dwarf | I'll google for the glx/mesa part and when I can't find anything helpful I'll return here |
| 11:41.56 | Dwarf | Thanks a lot :D |
| 11:42.06 | xingu | Dwarf: you can probably just start with the debian 'bee wiki page? |
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| 11:42.26 | Dwarf | Does that cover glx/mesa? That'd be a lot easier indeed hehe |
| 11:42.44 | xingu | Dwarf: hold 1 |
| 11:42.59 | xingu | Dwarf: assuming you already have xserver-xorg-video-intel... |
| 11:43.10 | xingu | Dwarf: aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:43.29 | xingu | Dwarf: is probably all you need (bear in mind I'm doing this blind, my goatbook is non-optimus nv555) |
| 11:44.06 | Dwarf | Those are all installed :D |
| 11:44.11 | Dwarf | That seems about right |
| 11:44.13 | xingu | Dwarf: ok; zip into X, then run glxinfo |
| 11:44.17 | xingu | see what it reports. |
| 11:44.24 | Dwarf | zip into X? |
| 11:44.27 | Dwarf | Now you've lost me hehe |
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| 11:44.34 | xingu | start your gui/desktop. :) |
| 11:44.39 | Dwarf | Oh right |
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| 11:44.58 | Dwarf | That outputs.. something |
| 11:45.04 | xingu | Dwarf: pastebin? |
| 11:45.06 | Dwarf | Will do |
| 11:45.40 | Dwarf | http://pastebin.com/vaqn29YE |
| 11:45.42 | Dwarf | There ya go |
| 11:46.17 | xingu | Dwarf: perfect; note ironlake line; next step is probably http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 11:46.59 | Dwarf | Alright, because I'm on wheezy I can probably add the repo and get it from there |
| 11:47.06 | xingu | yep |
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| 11:47.20 | d3xter | xingu: so i think you're familiar with acpi. what does it mean, when i press "XF86MonBrightnessUp" a single time, the screen backlight starts flickering and acpi_listen prints out BrightnessUp/BrightnessDown for 30 seconds? |
| 11:47.50 | xingu | d3xter: sounds like something is trapping the keypress then going to war with the acpi bios |
| 11:48.08 | d3xter | xingu: so a bios update could probably fix the problem? |
| 11:48.11 | xingu | d3xter: my guess is gnome (or your desktop manager) is trapping the keypress then trying to dim/brighten the backlight |
| 11:48.24 | xingu | d3xter: maybe; try disabling the userspace support/trapping of the keypress first. |
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| 11:48.33 | d3xter | xingu: gnome3 is not the root of the problem. same thing happens with xfce4 |
| 11:48.37 | xingu | d3xter: there's a 99% chance your bios will do the right thing if you let it |
| 11:48.55 | xingu | d3xter: sure, what I'm getting at is either the bios or userspace should be setting brightness - not both. |
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| 11:49.13 | xingu | d3xter: .. and shy of digging in to model specifics it's more likely that if the bios works - it's right |
| 11:49.42 | xingu | d3xter: in general 'doze lets acpi/bios/smm get on with that sort of thing (and has no real userspace helpers) |
| 11:49.53 | kephra | *w00t* somiaj - `dpkg --remove-architecture` worked - i can use dselect again ;-) |
| 11:50.16 | xingu | d3xter: now that energy efficiency is a newly important design goal that will probably change, but it's slow-cycle stuff that'll take 3-5yr to work through |
| 11:50.46 | d3xter | xingu: its a samsung series 9 if that helps you :) if i run fluxbox, only acpi/bios should set the screen backlight, right? |
| 11:51.00 | xingu | d3xter: I'd start by aiming for that outcome, yes |
| 11:51.10 | d3xter | xingu: ok, brb |
| 11:51.17 | xingu | d3xter: so remove the userspace acpi event helper, try acpi_brightess=vendor, etc. |
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| 11:53.19 | blackness | wpw, i logged into X, and now when i try to load any more apps, i get cannot connect do display |
| 11:53.26 | Dwarf | Alright xingu it seems bumblebee installed correctly, I'm going to reboot and see if I can still see anything |
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| 11:53.45 | Dwarf | If not, I'll be on using my phone's IRC |
| 11:53.53 | blackness | DISPLAY=:0.0 but x is running on :0 |
| 11:54.00 | blackness | any ideas? |
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| 11:55.13 | d3xter_ | xingu: alright, on fluxbox acpi_listen only shows an event for a single keypress |
| 11:55.22 | d3xter_ | xingu: but the backlight doesnt change at all |
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| 11:56.35 | Dwarf | I |
| 11:56.39 | Dwarf | I think it worked |
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| 11:56.46 | Dwarf | optirun works |
| 11:57.15 | Dwarf | xingu |
| 11:57.17 | Dwarf | I love you |
| 11:57.41 | edakiri | blackness: it is correct. ".0" means first display on first graphics chip/card. |
| 11:57.58 | edakiri | .0 first display. :0 first card |
| 11:58.06 | blackness | but what cant i load any gui apps all the sudden? |
| 11:58.11 | blackness | why* |
| 11:58.44 | boudiccas | ,v libreoffice |
| 11:58.45 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; sid: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:3.6.4-1 |
| 11:59.02 | xingu | Dwarf: woot. |
| 11:59.14 | edakiri | blackness: see error in .xsession-errors ? |
| 11:59.23 | Dwarf | And all that without errors :o |
| 11:59.37 | Dwarf | How did I manage to do it wrong at least 6 times in the past |
| 11:59.55 | edakiri | blackness: it worked previously? You only have 1 graphics chip and 1 display output on that chip? |
| 12:00.05 | blackness | its been working fine... |
| 12:00.24 | edakiri | what chip maker? |
| 12:00.31 | blackness | intel |
| 12:00.41 | blackness | one display under lshw |
| 12:00.44 | edakiri | Did failure follow update of software? |
| 12:00.51 | blackness | ATI video. |
| 12:00.56 | blackness | not sure what you mean? |
| 12:01.15 | blackness | i followed a guide to update kernel and install newer intel vid drivers |
| 12:01.15 | edakiri | blackness: did you install newer software and then it stopped working? |
| 12:01.21 | blackness | yes |
| 12:01.26 | blackness | i believe so |
| 12:01.46 | edakiri | what is source of kernel and video driverr? |
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| 12:05.34 | hid3 | Hello everyone. There are two old machines running two different tasks: one is a heavy-loaded DNS server and the other is a fileserver. Both use IPs in a same /24 subnet with the same GW. Now I need to incorporated those two into one powerful machine. No problem apart the fact I won't be able to use two different network interfaces: I need them to monitor DNS's and Fileserver's traffic. Any ideas how can I do that on Debian? |
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| 12:11.19 | boudiccas | arggh! yesterday i installed libreoffice 3.6.4.3 alongside debian libreoffice. today neither worked except via root, so i uninstalled both libreoffices with synaptic, and then reinstalled debain libreoffice with apt-get. but it does not open from the menu. how can i get it working again please |
| 12:11.35 | boudiccas | right, /config/libreoffice is renamed, but user is still unable to open it, whereas root can very easily. the command is ' /usr/bin/libreoffice --writer' and nothing happens with user it just sits and does nowt, where as root it opens. any ideas please folks? |
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| 12:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | try as a different user |
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| 12:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hid3, "the same way as on those other machines"? Your question is much too vague for any other answer... install bind9 and whatever you use for fileserver (nfs? samba? something else?) and ask when you run into problems |
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| 12:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hid3, and check for debian-specific documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package_name>/README.Debian* |
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| 12:17.19 | wols_ | boudiccas: anything when you try to open it via console? |
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| 12:17.27 | wols_ | xterm, rather |
| 12:17.52 | hid3 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, actually I want bind's traffic to go through eth0 and Samba/FTP traffic go through eth1. In this case out Network Monitoring System will monitor traffic for fileserver, and Bind. If I mix all of that in one interface, there won't be seen traffic for bind and traffic for fileserver. All traffic will be in one graph. Samba generates xxx megabits per second while bind only XX kilobits per second |
| 12:17.55 | hid3 | this is the problem |
| 12:17.56 | boudiccas | wols_: i've tried as user and got no result at all, no error report, nowt. as root it opens up |
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| 12:20.08 | xingu | boudiccas: is the user logging in and out between attempts? assuming no, try hash -r. |
| 12:20.34 | boudiccas | xingu: user is me! the wally! thanks |
| 12:21.32 | xingu | boudiccas: I suspected, hence assuming you'd done most of the non-crazy checking/swatting, hence jumping right to the "hmm, this is probably a caching crazy of some sort..." :) |
| 12:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, I meant... try from console as a different user than yours or root... if that works, it's your user config in ~/.whatever |
| 12:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/console/xterm/ |
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| 12:22.48 | hid3 | One of the possible solutions might be different network-Virtual interfaces which would be seen by SNMP. e.g. virt0 and virt1 which parent would be say eth0. The bind would be on virt0 and samba on virt1 and all would go through the eth0 interface. Is something like that possible? |
| 12:23.17 | hid3 | Looks like eth0:1 isn't being seen by SNMP |
| 12:23.58 | xingu | hid3: http://people.debian.org/~ultrotter/talks/dc10/networking.html see "network namespaces" |
| 12:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a lot of effort just for fixing some accounting quirk |
| 12:24.01 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: the config has been renamed from /config/libreoffice to /config/xlibreoffice and i tried again with no effect, nothing happens |
| 12:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, what is /config/libreoffice |
| 12:24.27 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: their are only 2 users on this machine, me and root |
| 12:24.51 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: that is where the libreoffice configs and galleries are |
| 12:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, make one for testing :) takes 2 minutes |
| 12:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.31 | hid3 | xingu: excellent, looks something similar! THANKS!!!!! |
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| 12:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, anyway...supposing that's it yes, that should probably be the same test. I prefer using a fresh user as that excludes that there is some other user config that one did not think of (or that user config really is somewhere else than one thought) |
| 12:28.13 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: /.config/xlibreoffice okay, i've created 'bacon' but how do i use him on the cli please? i've never had to create a user before? |
| 12:28.45 | xingu | from root, su - bacon |
| 12:28.48 | xingu | mmm, bacon. |
| 12:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually if you run an sshd, ssh -X bacon@localhost might be simplest |
| 12:29.12 | xingu | what he said, ignore me. |
| 12:29.28 | xingu | I blame having bacon on the brain |
| 12:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, (else, might be difficult to call programs accessing X) |
| 12:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm vegetarian... so I'm unaffected except for a slight feeling of unease |
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| 12:30.30 | jelly-home | what are those sausages made of, then |
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| 12:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, customers sometimes ask, but I don't think they really want to know |
| 12:30.58 | epzil0n | hi, anyone knows if the spotify preview works with wheezy i.e deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free |
| 12:31.38 | epzil0n | not on debian atm so can't check |
| 12:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, they're ... (significant pause) organic |
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| 12:32.26 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: http://dpaste.com/852745/ unsuccessful, please see the pastie |
| 12:32.36 | xingu | pasties and bacon now. |
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| 12:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, that's after switching with ssh -X bacon@localhost ? |
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| 12:33.50 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: i cant ssh into this machine beacuse i'm already on it, and i dont have another machine set up to do it with |
| 12:33.53 | monaco | Hi there could someone give me a suggestion for one of my old pc wich DEBIAN image you will preffer to me XFCE or LXDE |
| 12:34.12 | Hans_Henrik | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:34.13 | boudiccas | monaco: lxde, is good and very configurable |
| 12:34.22 | Hans_Henrik | whats up with the DVD-1 DVD-2 DVD-3 etc? |
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| 12:34.30 | monaco | boudiccas: thank you |
| 12:34.57 | boudiccas | monaco: you're welcome |
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| 12:35.13 | monaco | boudiccas: do you know how much of RAM use LXDE ? |
| 12:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, yes, you can. works fine, even as the same user. |
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| 12:35.36 | boudiccas | monaco: i'm using lxde with wheezy and 512mb of ram |
| 12:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, and the reason to use ssh I explained above and the result of doing su instead you see in your pastie... |
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| 12:36.05 | monaco | boudiccas: cool boudiccas is that`s just your personal preference against xfce or any other reason |
| 12:36.06 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: oh! right, i'l have a go |
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| 12:36.30 | WormFood | hid3, if you want to measure bandwidth for something like samba, why don't you do it with iptables? I'm no iptalbes master, but I'm pretty sure you can configure it to measure bandwidth based on ports. |
| 12:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, anyway, I can only think of two things... either user-config, which I would test with a different user or global config... and ... well, something like apt-get purge 'libreoffice*' and reinstall afterwards |
| 12:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, actually I think purge of removed packages does not work - in that case dpkg --purge <package> |
| 12:38.03 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: how do you open port 22, because its coming back saying 'ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused' ? |
| 12:38.07 | encrypt | i want to use mail an not uid as DN(to be able to bind) in my openldap.. any tip on how to do that? |
| 12:39.27 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, i'll try reinstalling and logging out after removing libreoffice, before installing again |
| 12:39.38 | hid3 | WormFood: out network monitoring system gathers info from SNMP: it can be either host, providing interfaces or a switch/router where the interfaces are connected. In fact I need separate stats for bind and samba. Iptables won't work here, besides, iptables = CPU power. There are thousands of connections per second to bind |
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| 12:40.42 | WormFood | oh, so specifically you need snmp? |
| 12:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, then you don't have an sshd installed. perhaps simpler to just graphically login as the other user once. or you can do "xauth list" as YOU and copy the line instead of XX in "xauth add XX" as the other user and set DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 12:41.00 | hid3 | WormFood: yes |
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| 12:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, possibly really easiest to log in as the other user. |
| 12:41.38 | WormFood | ok, then perhaps you are going about it the easiest way then |
| 12:41.52 | hid3 | That's worst case senario, SNMP. It would be ideal if I could route bnd traffic through eth0, fileserver through eth1, which both would be connected to the same switch but different ports |
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| 12:42.11 | markit | hi I need to do some test with graphic at 16bpp, how can I set X to run at that color depth? (I've not xorg.conf) |
| 12:42.13 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: okay, thanks, i'll do it once i've finished purging libreoffice |
| 12:42.25 | WormFood | yeah, then you can measure it with snmp at the switch |
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| 12:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, yeah... as you already moved the config... it's probably the same (and so goes further to the back in the list of things to try). good to be totally sure, though |
| 12:43.23 | hid3 | Wonder if that's possible with Namespaces... |
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| 12:48.34 | hid3 | Can't find a good documentation on namespaces... |
| 12:49.01 | wols_ | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/namespaces/ |
| 12:49.04 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: just to make sure i understand, i purge and remove, log out , log in , and then reinstall and pray it works? |
| 12:50.22 | mip_ | there is .pulse-cookie in root dir |
| 12:50.58 | hid3 | wols_: it's not namespaces in a programming language ;-) it's like a small virtualisation |
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| 12:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, purge, reinstall and look; if it was global config, it should run |
| 12:52.02 | wols_ | hid3: what namespaces are there? all I know is LXC or such |
| 12:52.22 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: right, thanks,just waiting for it to finish removing |
| 12:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, 2nd test: log out, log in as bacon, try - if that works, there's still something in your user config |
| 12:52.40 | lucho | I need you help, please! |
| 12:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | boudiccas, if either of it works, the other of course becomes unnecessary |
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| 12:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | lucho, I could teach you how to cut your own throat |
| 12:53.04 | lucho | How can I start a Debian squeeze instalation in SAFE mode (not recovery mode) |
| 12:53.06 | lucho | ? |
| 12:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | although... you seem to do an admirable job on it anyway |
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| 12:53.55 | hid3 | wols_: it's part of LXC, as far as I understand |
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| 12:56.34 | chuckkh | Hi. I've been using Debian for some 10+ years and love it. A few years ago I had some problems (not knowing much what I was doing) with testing and switched to stable. Since then I've had no problems, but I'm itching to use some packages that are only in Wheezy, not in backports, and I'm considering switching to testing, OR installing a recent Ubuntu alongside Debian. Ubuntu would be kind of a pain in that I'd have to reinstall a lot of things and learn some |
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| 12:58.19 | chuckkh | I can handle individual packages having bugs, I'm just worried about destroying my system... I like to think I'm experienced enough not to destroy my own system, but it has happened in the distant past. |
| 12:58.37 | lucho | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm fighting with a debian installation since 4 hours ago... I solved all the problems, but now my f** nvidia video card is kidding me :) |
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| 13:01.33 | wols_ | chuckkh: wheezy has been frozen for quite some time. you should be ok |
| 13:02.42 | chuckkh | wols_: thanks for that info. I'm reading about it and trying to process. |
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| 13:11.00 | Shoya | umm question, i tried doing a dist-upgrade but dpkg got interrupted and now it doesn't want to do anything, any way to fix that? http://paste.debian.net/219245/ |
| 13:11.49 | wols_ | Shoya: lsof |grep http://paste.debian.net/219245/ |
| 13:11.56 | wols_ | sorry: lsof |grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 13:12.12 | wols_ | Shoya: have you rebooted since then? that should fix it too |
| 13:12.55 | p0g0 | Shoya: in general, you can use the -d option with apt-get, that just downloads the packages, so you need a second pass without -d to do the dist-upgrade, but using -d makes you safe from interruptions like that, you can just restart. |
| 13:13.08 | Shoya | wols_: haven't but can't reboot since i've got ddrescue running |
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| 13:17.52 | wols_ | Shoya: then see the command I gave you. some other program has the file still locked. probably some other debconf instance |
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| 13:20.04 | Shoya | wols_: my suspect would be that the ones that i was trying to upgrade, aka linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd.64 and frontend are what's not letting dpkg work |
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| 13:22.21 | wols_ | no |
| 13:22.30 | Shoya | oh ok |
| 13:22.36 | wols_ | it's a debconf problem. not a problem of the packages you want to install |
| 13:22.43 | Shoya | i mean, they are showing up as processes |
| 13:22.43 | wols_ | !debconf |
| 13:22.43 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 13:22.52 | wols_ | what does? |
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| 13:23.20 | Shoya | frontend and linux-image-3.2 |
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| 13:24.27 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: right, back again. libreoffice opens with root and also with the new user, but not me! any ideas please? |
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| 13:27.48 | homes | boudiccas: perhaps clear out oo junk from ~/ |
| 13:28.24 | hid3 | Okay. Looks like I've set up two shells with namespaces using different IPs. Now I wonder how do I assign the different shell/IP for a process, starting at startup via init.d script... |
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| 13:28.48 | boudiccas | CutMeOwnThroat: right, i've checked the permission of /home/boztu/.config/libreoffice/ which was owned by root, so i've chowned it to user boztu, but it still doesnt open |
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| 13:30.31 | abrotman | boudiccas: move the entire directoy |
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| 13:32.36 | boudiccas | abrotman: i've renamed it to xlibreoffice, but its still not starting |
| 13:33.47 | sidounet | hi, i have a server with debian squeez. I installed a mumble-server. But, i can't install the 1.2.3 mumble server version. I have only the 1.2.2. I don't know what i have to do.. |
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| 13:39.00 | Shoya | wols_: so what now? anything i can do (except reboot)? |
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| 13:41.33 | jeddi | latest unstable updates rendered libvirt-bin failing with segmentation violation, and an error pointing to virNWFilterSnoopLeaseFileRefresh - the googles suggest this bug popped up back in july, but can't find a good fix - anyone suggest an easy solution? |
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| 13:42.43 | wols_ | Shoya: yes. kill the process which locks the file. I told you the lsof command above |
| 13:42.55 | Shoya | i used it already |
| 13:43.02 | wols_ | and? |
| 13:43.18 | Shoya | the same error happens |
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| 13:43.58 | Shoya | can't i just kill linux-image-3.2 and frontend? |
| 13:44.24 | Shoya | just a suggestion |
| 13:44.31 | homes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.02 | wols_ | the same error can't happen when you run lsof |
| 13:45.31 | Shoya | wols_: i mean something should happen when i use lsof? |
| 13:46.10 | wols_ | yes. it should tell you which program has the file locked |
| 13:46.26 | Shoya | oh |
| 13:46.33 | boudiccas | how can i change the ownership of a directory with files in it so they're changed as well please? i have been using 'chown user:user /path/to/foo' but it doesnt change the permissions of the inner files |
| 13:46.35 | Shoya | then nothing's happening |
| 13:46.41 | jeddi | boudiccas: -R |
| 13:46.44 | wols_ | and yes if an earlier apt/dpkg/debconf command is still running you can and obvioiusly should terminate it |
| 13:46.50 | boudiccas | cheers |
| 13:46.54 | jeddi | boudiccas: specifically chown -R user:user /path/to/foo |
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| 13:48.43 | Shoya | there we go wols_, thanks |
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| 13:49.22 | moe94 | Hello, how do I update to the latest debian kernel? |
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| 13:49.35 | Shoya | now the issue is |
| 13:49.45 | Shoya | is it going to ever finish dist-upgrade? |
| 13:50.17 | nkuttler | moe94: just install it |
| 13:50.26 | moe94 | From where? |
| 13:50.38 | nkuttler | moe94: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:50.57 | moe94 | I have 3.2, can I get a newer one? |
| 13:51.03 | boudiccas | jeddi: thanks , done |
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| 13:51.21 | moe94 | nkuttler:3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
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| 13:51.24 | Shoya | well, mma leave it running for a bit |
| 13:51.39 | nkuttler | moe94: why do you need a more recent kernel? |
| 13:52.35 | moe94 | Because my wireless doesn't work and someone told me on IRC that if I upgrade to the latest one it will work. |
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| 13:54.00 | nkuttler | moe94: hm, which chipset? you can build your own kernel, /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:54.39 | dvs | bets on a broadcom |
| 13:54.45 | Shoya | ^ |
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| 13:54.54 | moe94 | I have realtek rtl8192SE |
| 13:55.01 | Shoya | close |
| 13:55.14 | nkuttler | !rtl8192SE |
| 13:55.14 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 13:55.27 | nkuttler | since 3.0 |
| 13:55.36 | nkuttler | moe94: install the firmware |
| 13:55.40 | dvs | moe94: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 13:56.06 | homes | installed debian from CD1 [which is sdb1, a USB drive] |
| 13:56.36 | moe94 | I have the driver, problem is I follow the instructions and it doesn't work (Make command gives me an error) |
| 13:56.42 | homes | its populated sources.list with cdrom entries, though, how do i actually use them? USB drive is still plugged in, but it isnt a CD |
| 13:56.44 | dvs | nkuttler: not necessary since it's not a "U" device |
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| 13:57.32 | wols_ | !tell moe94 about errors |
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| 13:57.44 | homes | [there's not actually a Release.gpg on sdb1] |
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| 13:59.33 | sharky | Merry Christmas Ho ho ho :D |
| 13:59.49 | dvs | bah humbug! |
| 14:00.12 | moe94 | Here is the list of files in the driver's folder and the error: http://pastebin.com/T05Zmt09 |
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| 14:00.46 | boudiccas | right, with *no* /.config/libreoffice/ libreoffice does *not* start as $USER but it does as $ROOT. so how do i sort it out please? |
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| 14:01.10 | jeddi | anyone else having libvirt-bin fail on service start, running into problems with latest (say last 7-10 days) or updates on unstable. |
| 14:01.55 | dvs | moe94: Why are you compiling it manually? The above instructions don't require compiling. |
| 14:02.05 | jeddi | boudiccas: error when starting lo? are you using each app separately? ie. at a terminal if you run 'localc' what errors do you see returning? |
| 14:02.06 | wols_ | boudiccas: create a dummy config? |
| 14:02.17 | moe94 | dvs:what do I need to do then? |
| 14:02.29 | dvs | moe94: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 14:04.04 | boudiccas | jeddi: there is no erro when trying to start as $USER, it just hangs there. i'm just trying to start the writer atm. i dont know what 'localc' is meant to do but it just hangs as well |
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| 14:04.32 | boudiccas | wols_: virtually impossible as there is not one config, lots of little files for it to use |
| 14:05.04 | moe94 | dvs: How do I add non free components to my sources.list |
| 14:05.05 | moe94 | ? |
| 14:05.19 | moe94 | Like this deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free. I'm using UK servers |
| 14:05.19 | dvs | using a text editor |
| 14:05.36 | moe94 | I know, but what site should I use? |
| 14:05.39 | homes | i tried it once with the gimp, it was difficult |
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| 14:06.26 | homes | moe94: what happens if you replace the s in us with k? |
| 14:06.46 | moe94 | Will it actually work like that? |
| 14:06.46 | dvs | moe94: use a site or mirror that works for you. It's the last four words that are important |
| 14:07.04 | wols_ | moe94: you use your normal debian mirror |
| 14:07.16 | neon__ | contemplate upgrading from squeeze to sid |
| 14:07.44 | moe94 | wols_:Do I need to make a seperate copy of the link for main contrib non-free? |
| 14:07.51 | wols_ | mp |
| 14:07.53 | wols_ | *no |
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| 14:09.08 | wols_ | moe94: but you've been told all this for hours already yesterday. you were told to isntall it from backports since you run squeeze afaik. the instructions did not change between then and now, so why do you still ask? |
| 14:09.17 | wols_ | just finally do what you've been told yesterday |
| 14:09.39 | jeddi | boudiccas: well, a) libre office apps should certainly start without a configuration file per user. b) localc is libre office calculator binary - at a command line type 'lo' and then hit tab twice - there's a stack of non-libre office utils, but you'll see localc, lomath, lodraw, loffice, lobase, etc. |
| 14:11.00 | jeddi | boudiccas: not sure if you're comfy with this, but what i'd do with this kind of problem is move out all my $USER's libre office configuration files (move them to ~/foo or similar). second thing i'd try is running lowriter, say, using 'strace' - this will show you in lurid detail where the application is failing. you may have to 'apt-get install strace' first as root. and then as a normal user run 'strace lowriter'. you'll see lots of |
| 14:11.01 | jeddi | stuff coming through - but the last few lines usually indicate where it's broken. |
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| 14:12.10 | jeddi | moe94: I use: deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 14:12.26 | jeddi | that mirror seems to be nice and fast for me (in London) and good availability. YMMV |
| 14:12.39 | boudiccas | jeddi: all $USERS libreoffice files moved onto backup drive, k, i'll strace it then, thanks |
| 14:13.12 | jeddi | boudiccas: i haven't really dived into LO's config - I thought it was all under ~/.config or ~/.local or something these days. (I usually use kde apps, so tend to know the .kde structure a bit better). |
| 14:13.32 | jeddi | boudiccas: FWIW it's good to know about strace - it's handy to have that tool in your bag. |
| 14:14.40 | boudiccas | jeddi: LO configs etc are under /.config/libreoffice/ , yes i've used strace before, and this is on LXDE under wheezy, but thanks for the help |
| 14:14.58 | jeddi | boudiccas: cool. |
| 14:15.34 | jeddi | boudiccas: as i say, on initial startup, no LO apps are going to find an extant configuration entry, so they must be able to cope without one. I suspect some residual configuration file is loitering. |
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| 14:17.26 | jeddi | boudiccas: i see a residual ~/.libreoffice directory on my machine - with a MIGRATED file in ~/.libreoffice/3/ i offer this purely out of boredom at this end, as i look for other files :) |
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| 14:19.33 | boudiccas | jeddi: once i've pasted the strace i'm going to 'locate libreoffice' and see if there are residuals |
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| 14:24.00 | blackness | how do you make a grub menu to drop to grub> line? |
| 14:24.13 | wols_ | press "e" |
| 14:24.29 | blackness | thanks |
| 14:24.33 | wols_ | "c" maybe too. |
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| 14:27.14 | boudiccas | jeddi: heres the strace lowriter http://dpaste.com/852797/, its just hanging at the end and waiting for something. |
| 14:27.52 | jeddi | boudiccas: for poops and giggles, could you indulge me with running a 'ps aux | grep libre' |
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| 14:28.11 | markit | boudiccas: btw, if you want to help confirm new bugs libo 4, there is #libreoffice-qa |
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| 14:30.15 | jeddi | boudiccas: (in case you've got an errant process still running - i've seen that before where lo won't start up, because there's a crashed / minimised instance somewhere). did you confirm the problem exists after a logout/login ? |
| 14:31.01 | jeddi | boudiccas: certainly there's nothing in the strace to suggest it's choking on missing, or wrong, configuration files, is there? |
| 14:31.28 | dcpc007 | hello all |
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| 14:32.08 | dcpc007 | how can I detect all symbolic links in a FS (users creates link on himself :-( ) |
| 14:32.36 | dcpc007 | arg all symlics which point on himself |
| 14:33.12 | dcpc007 | like -> lrwxrwxrwx 1 user rsuser 8 Jul 8 2010 cad_pa.n -> cad_pa.n |
| 14:34.08 | jeddi | dcpc007: ugly way: ls -lR | grep ^l |
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| 14:34.32 | jeddi | reget needs tightening to avoid false positives. |
| 14:34.34 | dcpc007 | lol yes :) corrected my question :) |
| 14:34.42 | jeddi | oh. i see. |
| 14:35.27 | jeddi | i'd do the above - pipe theoutput into awk and compare fields 9 and 11 - if they're the same ... |
| 14:36.30 | dcpc007 | ok, thinking ... doubt about how to compage the 9 & 11 fields |
| 14:36.45 | boudiccas | jeddi: sorry for the delay, theres a rsync backup going on atm and the load is 18.42! http://dpaste.com/852801/ and we have movement, soffice.bin is now showing in atop |
| 14:36.59 | jeddi | soffice? |
| 14:37.11 | jeddi | boudiccas: that's .. not reassuring. ;) |
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| 14:37.30 | dcpc007 | beuark :) i'm on servers |
| 14:37.38 | boudiccas | jeddi: success! we have a libreoffice writer window open! |
| 14:37.40 | dcpc007 | and a challenge of the end of year |
| 14:38.06 | jeddi | dcpc007: i'll have a tinker .. feel free to write some bash while you wait :) |
| 14:38.10 | jeddi | boudiccas: nice. :) |
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| 14:38.22 | jeddi | so it was just an errant *office app running somewhere? that you killed? |
| 14:38.36 | boudiccas | jeddi: now to kill all the other instances of it bwfore trying again with just one instance |
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| 14:39.08 | boudiccas | jeddi: yes, i saw there was a lot of 'oosplash' so i pkilled it, and that seemed to release it and it started working again |
| 14:39.17 | jeddi | boudiccas: good news. |
| 14:39.29 | jeddi | boudiccas: as i say, seen something similar before, but not very often. |
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| 14:40.41 | dcpc007 | ls -lR|grep ^l|awk '{ print $9 " " $11 }' need to add the comparaison |
| 14:41.16 | boudiccas | jeddi: thanks for all the help, its now working normally and opening correctly, so i'l move the old config directory back and see if it still opens |
| 14:41.47 | jeddi | boudiccas: ack. |
| 14:42.23 | dcpc007 | lol simple |
| 14:42.30 | jeddi | dcpc007: ah, thanks. i was starting to play with cut -d " " -f 9,11 ... but food has just been presetend to to me. |
| 14:42.55 | jeddi | dcpc007: awk's not my thing, but it's old enough that any question you ask google typically comes up with the precise use case you happen to have :) |
| 14:43.02 | dcpc007 | trying ls -lR|grep ^l|awk '$9 == $11 { print $9 " " $11 }'if I understand awk doc |
| 14:43.56 | dcpc007 | found --> ls -lR|grep ^l|awk '$9 == $11 { print $0 }' |
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| 14:44.12 | jeddi | dcpc007: that looks pretty close - i'm sure you'll be fine. :) |
| 14:44.48 | dcpc007 | nice ! juste i think ls -lR not otpimized against find |
| 14:44.49 | blackness | how would i boot the LiveOS from (hd0,msdos2)/live/ ? not sure how the menu entry is supposed to look |
| 14:44.53 | blackness | whhos |
| 14:44.55 | blackness | sorry |
| 14:44.57 | dcpc007 | (it's a big NFS share |
| 14:45.11 | dcpc007 | but not found correct display with find |
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| 14:53.16 | Shoya | weird why is sudo hanging |
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| 14:54.01 | Shoya | it hasn't moved from this http://paste.debian.net/219280/ |
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| 15:00.27 | patricio | hello |
| 15:00.50 | Guest96233 | anyone can help i have problems with libreoffice |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | just ask |
| 15:01.58 | patoleper | when i wanna open calc or writer appears this |
| 15:02.20 | patoleper | the program cannot be started. a general error occurred while accessing your central configuration |
| 15:02.25 | patoleper | and then it close |
| 15:02.32 | abrotman | which version of Debian is this? |
| 15:02.40 | patoleper | wheezy |
| 15:02.42 | patoleper | sorry |
| 15:02.44 | patoleper | squeeze |
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| 15:02.51 | patoleper | i'm on squeezy |
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| 15:05.21 | abrotman | make up your mind? |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | there's no such thing as squeezy |
| 15:05.43 | patoleper | squeeze |
| 15:05.53 | patoleper | so you don't make mistakes? |
| 15:07.09 | abrotman | make sure your system is up to date, try for a different user |
| 15:07.36 | patoleper | is on date, i will try new user |
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| 15:13.29 | Shoya | hmm anyone having issues with the dist-upgrade? or did i damage it? |
| 15:13.34 | Shoya | break it* |
| 15:13.52 | Shoya | a pastebin just in case http://paste.debian.net/219280/ |
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| 15:15.04 | patoleper | another user sends the same issue |
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| 15:19.46 | abrotman | patoleper: make sure it's up to date |
| 15:20.21 | patoleper | i just upgrade the system |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | including updates from backports.debian.org ? |
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| 15:28.28 | patoleper | nope abrotman i don't have that |
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| 15:29.02 | monaco | Hi there can I use debian as my desktop OS ? |
| 15:29.06 | jchen | yes |
| 15:29.18 | monaco | jchen: Does debian own all packages are avaliable for ubuntu ? |
| 15:29.28 | jchen | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 15:29.34 | monaco | jchen: so yeahh |
| 15:29.38 | jchen | or rather, was originally based on debian |
| 15:29.40 | monaco | jchen: thank you verymuch :) |
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| 15:29.56 | jchen | but you won't necessarily be able to run ubuntu .deb's on debian |
| 15:30.22 | monaco | jchen: but almost all of packages are avaliable on Debian to right ? |
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| 15:30.36 | jchen | not sure, i wouldn't doubt it |
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| 15:30.57 | yeats | monaco: two separate distros |
| 15:31.20 | monaco | yeats: But I can use it as my desktop os right :P Ill have almmost all things |
| 15:31.26 | patoleper | abrotman, did it and nothing |
| 15:31.44 | yeats | monaco: yes, you can use Debian as your desktop |
| 15:31.58 | monaco | yeats: ;) thank you for your shortly answers :) |
| 15:32.04 | monaco | jchen: you to :) |
| 15:32.25 | _niCe_ | hi, i'm trying to setup rssh but i won't get a connection ... i tryed debuging ssh but i can't see an error http://pastebin.com/09cCWFek |
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| 15:44.30 | bandie9101 | hi people |
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| 15:44.55 | bandie9101 | i wish help by recover my system: |
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| 15:45.33 | bandie9101 | due to filesystem crach, some core library missing on my system |
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| 15:46.10 | bandie9101 | i tried to chroot from a live system, and got ELIBBAD (Accessing a corrupted shared library) |
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| 15:47.51 | bandie9101 | how do i find, which packages to unpack? |
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| 15:49.09 | bandie9101 | how do i find, which packages have missing file in directory tree? |
| 15:49.39 | wols_ | debsums? |
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| 15:50.15 | bandie9101 | does it run on foreign system? |
| 15:50.21 | bandie9101 | i am going to try |
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| 15:50.56 | confusid | How could I go about having my /var/log/messages dump to html so i could view them online and have it refresh every 15 seconds or so? |
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| 15:52.18 | bandie9101 | confusid: you have to write a script in 5..6 lines (7 unless webserver run on different machine) |
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| 15:53.18 | boudiccas | i have a file called 'libroffice install.txt' which contains a whole load of libreoffice files that i want to install, but when i copy and paste them all as one line, apt-get also tries to install 'libreoffice install.txt' and faisl because it cant find it! How do i install htis long list then please with apt-get? |
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| 15:54.08 | confusid | bandie9101: you make it sound too easy :) Should I google shell scripting? |
| 15:54.14 | abrotman | patoleper: get it figured out ? |
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| 15:54.48 | Irulan | hello |
| 15:54.58 | bandie9101 | confusid: 1st thing 1st. where runs webserver on which will you publish you dmesg? |
| 15:55.09 | jeddi | confusid: why not just expose your messages file via the web server directly? |
| 15:55.20 | abrotman | boudiccas: use the metapackage |
| 15:55.29 | confusid | on the same machine but once I get that to work I may try it on another. |
| 15:55.44 | Irulan | I'm playing with live-build, but I got 'authentication error' on tty's instead of login prompt |
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| 15:55.46 | boudiccas | abrotman: like 'libreoffice-common'? |
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| 15:56.02 | bandie9101 | jeddi: i think, its confortable to refresh automatically - which requires page to be html |
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| 15:56.12 | patoleper | abrotman, i'm trying another way |
| 15:56.13 | abrotman | boudiccas: 'libreoffice' |
| 15:56.15 | confusid | jeddi I would like to leave the system as is so later I only need to stop the output to the web server instead of repointing the original to it's location |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | patoleper: okay |
| 15:56.31 | boudiccas | abrotman: ah, simple as that, okay thanks |
| 15:56.39 | abrotman | tricky like that |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | searching is hard .. |
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| 16:00.48 | bandie9101 | confusid: symlink /var/log/messages under the webroot, and compose a simple html with iframe including the symlinked file and put a JS which refreshes iframe |
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| 16:02.02 | bandie9101 | optionally put a function into JS to scroll down iframe (i dont remember which fnc is it) |
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| 16:02.23 | confusid | bandie9101: question about that. I was looking at that and thought that would only allow it to have the content of the file be in the /var/www/messages file and the /var/log/messages would then be empty. I would like to have both files populated with the same info |
| 16:02.50 | bandie9101 | and configure webserver to serve messages file with Content-Type text/plain, avoiding browser to pop up download dialog. |
| 16:03.40 | bandie9101 | dont you want soft/hardlink? |
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| 16:06.12 | bandie9101 | wols_: this live system (tinycore) have not debsums, but i fetch it from debian repo and install perl dependancies |
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| 16:06.47 | bandie9101 | i hope fs corruption touched only recently backuped files... :| |
| 16:07.16 | confusid | bandie9101: ok just looked at hard and soft links again. hard link will give me data in both files the same.. while soft does not. so hard will work.. ty!!! |
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| 16:09.11 | bandie9101 | not exactly |
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| 16:10.07 | bandie9101 | by using hardlinks, you still have 1 file, but you can reach on 2 path by 2 names |
| 16:10.14 | patoleper | abrotman, doesn't work my way |
| 16:10.25 | xingu | confusid: completely OT for this channel, but http://loganalyzer-demo.adiscon.com/ ? |
| 16:10.55 | bandie9101 | confusid: i recommend symlink, if webserver doesnt refuse to serve it |
| 16:11.43 | bandie9101 | confusid: right, its not a closely debian specific question |
| 16:11.52 | confusid | ok |
| 16:11.58 | confusid | ty for the help and info.. will google more |
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| 16:12.31 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Yeah, read up some more, it's not different data, it's the same file. |
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| 16:13.10 | confusid | just have a debian squeeze box here and I keep getting people trying to connect to root and other random names. wanted to see it on a web page so while at work I could see whats going on. have root disabled and a long.. long password for ssh but is just aggravating the attempts of people. |
| 16:13.27 | jeddi | i'm having deja vu. |
| 16:13.28 | jeddi | confusid: install denyhosts package. |
| 16:13.45 | jeddi | confusid: change ssh port to something else (2022, for example) |
| 16:13.46 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: If you really want to get serious, there's this: http://nixsrv.com/llthw |
| 16:14.17 | homes | changing ports is rather annoying |
| 16:14.35 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: For the ssh problem you should have a firewall that throttles connections, but you should probably run it on an alternative port. |
| 16:14.56 | jeddi | confusid: as i said 20 minutes ago, expose the log file directly. use symlink rather than hard link - it's easier to see what's going on. |
| 16:14.56 | jeddi | homes: is it? |
| 16:14.58 | confusid | the firewall just passes all sshs threw |
| 16:15.05 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: These days running ssh on the default port can get your connection completely saturated with brute force attempts. |
| 16:15.09 | lucho | confusid: and you can use ssh keys... public and private keys.. |
| 16:15.09 | jeddi | confusid: install denyhosts package. |
| 16:15.15 | jeddi | confusid: this solves the problem you have described. |
| 16:15.21 | jeddi | jhutchins_wk: that^ |
| 16:15.40 | jhutchins_wk | jeddi: It doesn't really solve the problem. |
| 16:15.49 | dcpc007 | jedi: |
| 16:15.54 | mip_ | i think confusid wants observe ssh logs on www |
| 16:16.03 | dcpc007 | jedi: i found (at last) --> find . -type l -printf %h/%f" "%f" "%l"\n"|awk '$2 == $3 { print $1 }' |
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| 16:16.03 | jhutchins_wk | jeddi: These days the brute force attacks tend to be distributed, so as quick as you ban one host another starts up. |
| 16:16.31 | dcpc007 | jeddi: i found (at last) --> find . -type l -printf %h/%f" "%f" "%l"\n"|awk '$2 == $3 { print $1 }' |
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| 16:16.38 | confusid | ty!! |
| 16:16.53 | homes | jeddi: yeah, you end up having to specify the non-port-22 all over the place |
| 16:17.43 | jeddi | the problem is that he 'keep getting people trying to connect to root and other random names'. rahter than look at them (for what purpose?) on a web page (what the hey?) just block them. |
| 16:17.45 | jeddi | dcpc007: lovely! i'd not hvae gotten to that. :) |
| 16:17.45 | jeddi | homes: i really don't find that inconvenient at all. for a small amoutn of pain (very small, really) you get to ignore 99% of the ssh door-knockers and bots out there. |
| 16:17.46 | jeddi | homes: this is what .ssh/config is good for hiding from you on a day to day basis. |
| 16:18.22 | jeddi | jhutchins_wk: perhaps. i find that denyhosts, especialyl if you tell it to remember hosts after x days, works really well for blocking single-host or distributed host brute against ssh. |
| 16:18.32 | dcpc007 | jeddi: command line boring sometimes, but we can do waht we need at last :) |
| 16:18.45 | dcpc007 | jeddi: i send that to my windows admins ^^ |
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| 16:19.46 | jeddi | dcpc007: do they understand instructions that don't include 'click on this, then open that and click on the ...' ? |
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| 16:21.47 | _niCe_ | hi, can someone help me with the sshd (using rssh) http://pastebin.com/hCAhqmsV |
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| 16:22.42 | wols_ | bandie9101: don't bother. chroot to your debian and run it. |
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| 16:23.01 | bandie9101 | wols_: it seems debsums have too match depends to solve them in tinycore |
| 16:23.06 | dcpc007 | lol just get some poor sneer |
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| 16:23.28 | bandie9101 | wols_: it is impossilbe as i said |
| 16:23.47 | wols_ | chrooting into your debian is not impossible |
| 16:23.49 | bandie9101 | i cannot chroot, because even /bin/sh wont run |
| 16:24.37 | wols_ | chroot to run /bin/dash then |
| 16:24.47 | bandie9101 | i got ELIBBAD (Accessing a corrupted shared library) while strace-ing chroot |
| 16:25.17 | bandie9101 | no bash, no dash. i think libc6 or other important lib corrupted |
| 16:25.36 | bandie9101 | but i want to map all of missing libs |
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| 16:28.13 | jeddi | bandie9101: my opinion - this will take more time, and leave you with a system that you probably can't fully trust anyway, than just installing from scratch. |
| 16:28.54 | bandie9101 | maybe |
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| 16:30.52 | wooden | Is there/what is the command to see all the packages that provide a given [/etc/alternatives] alternative? For example, how do I get a list of all packages that can provide a 'vi' alternative? |
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| 16:40.25 | themill | wooden: no. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has recentish listing though |
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| 16:47.51 | lucho | All, I've a little question... I have an old nvidia video card. When I boot the squueze live cd in "normal" mode I have a lot of "x" issues, but when I boot in "safe mode" it works like a charm! How can I do to configure grub2 to satart this "safe mode"? |
| 16:49.07 | daemonkeeper | err |
| 16:49.41 | daemonkeeper | In Debian, the "safe mode" is virtually/almost the same thing. |
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| 16:51.49 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: I like that link :) |
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| 16:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I've been at this nearly twenty years and I plan to go through it. |
| 16:53.12 | lucho | daemonkeeper, I'm confused... Why when I run the safe mode, the video works perfectly? I've tryed the vesa driver, the nv driver, the nauveau driver and it does not work :\ |
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| 16:54.46 | jhutchins_wk | _niCe_: I don't see a problem. |
| 16:55.13 | wooden | themill: Thank you. |
| 16:55.22 | daemonkeeper | lucho: Perhaps you boot with DKMS or splash or framebuffer enabled in your default Grub entry. |
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| 16:55.49 | jelly-home | themill: it's probably going to bitrot soon, but I've added that URL to alternatives factoid nevertheless |
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| 16:56.21 | themill | jelly-home: thanks. jwilk was contemplating how he could keep that up to date and I've been planning to add it to judd |
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| 16:57.22 | jelly-home | sticking something in the upload process to automagically track them would be a real solution |
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| 16:58.55 | jelly-home | tagging might be abused to keep track as well |
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| 16:59.49 | teclo- | hi there, just did a fresh install of Debian "wheezy", now there's some binary that I cannot run. File says it's a ELF 32-bit LSB executable for Linux 2.4.1, but since I'm in Debian "wheezy" I'm running a 64-bit Linux 3.2.x kernel. I guess I need to recompile the binary ? |
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| 17:01.26 | jelly-home | teclo-: that would be the cleanest option, yes |
| 17:01.28 | themill | jelly-home: moving to a real declarative alternatives (and diversions) that was done in package control files rather than maintainer scripts would be even better |
| 17:01.50 | lucho | daemonkeeper: Please, forget GRUB. When I boot the live cd it has this behavior too... This isn't a GRUB problem, I'm not sure what is changing but I think that both modes don't run the same enviroment. I realy appreciate your help! |
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| 17:02.03 | jelly-home | themill: I presumed adding yet-another-field in control would not amuse some people |
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| 17:02.25 | melvin | hi, how can i change the console's columns x rows? i have a ppc/yaboot, but fbset says the mode is 800x600 but the console displays very few characters |
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| 17:02.41 | jelly-home | also this is Debian, it would happen around 2020 if people agreed now. |
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| 17:04.02 | themill | jelly-home: this would be "yet another file in control.tar.gz" instead. There is support for moving a few things into the control member rather than having stuff being done free-form |
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| 17:09.34 | dimadima | hi! i am using rsync over ssh and am only getting 50% cpu utilization (looks like that's only 1 core). i'm wondering how i can get rsync/ssh to use both cores. |
| 17:10.16 | babilen | dimadima: multicore cpu utilisation would be > 100% |
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| 17:10.22 | dimadima | it appears that encryption is actually my speed limiting factor! i'm getting only 13 MB/s over a gigabit network. disk io and transport are not the weak link |
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| 17:10.46 | dimadima | babilen: yeah, i'd like all my CPU to be dedicated to this transport. i'm trying to transfer a lot of stuff |
| 17:11.01 | babilen | dimadima: Try a weaker cipher (arcfour, blowfish, ..) |
| 17:11.04 | dimadima | babilen: unfortunately, i'm only seeing 50% in top |
| 17:11.31 | dimadima | babilen: yeah, totally. i'm doing that already-- found that on http://serverfault.com/questions/377598/why-is-my-rsync-so-slow |
| 17:11.44 | babilen | dimadima: yes, I understand that, but 50% doesn't mean that only a single core is used. If /multiple/ cores were used you'd see more than 100% |
| 17:12.48 | themill | dimadima: I don't think I've ever seen rsync transfers that aren't limited by the network not the cpu. |
| 17:13.15 | dimadima | babilen: interesting... i guess i don't understand. thank you for explaining, but would you clarify further: top is showing that ssh is using 50% of my cpu. why isn't it 100% (roughly) if nothing else is competing for resources |
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| 17:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | dimadima: Other factors are limiting the process. |
| 17:14.15 | babilen | dimadima: Because something else /is/ competing for resources |
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| 17:14.38 | dimadima | jhutchins_wk: babilen: oh interesting. it really doesn't seem that way, looking at top. |
| 17:14.55 | dimadima | watching top, it really seems like the cpu usage won't go over 50% |
| 17:15.10 | babilen | dimadima: As I said: /If/ a process uses more than 1 core you would see a utilisation of over 100% (e.g. 142%) |
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| 17:16.04 | dimadima | so what does it mean when a process is using 50%, and the rest of the processes only add up to another 5-10% |
| 17:17.31 | dimadima | am i misreading the meaning of that 50%? does that mean it's using 100% actually? |
| 17:18.37 | dimadima | and actually this isn't a multicore machine. i was mistaken, it's a: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz |
| 17:20.46 | dimadima | oh hey, using arcfour seems to mac disk/trasport io the limiting factor now. huzzah. thank you babilen themill jhutchins_wk |
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| 17:28.07 | koko_ | hello |
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| 17:28.23 | fantastic1 | i am noob |
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| 17:28.53 | koko_ | i use squeeze how can i moov to wheezy ? |
| 17:29.23 | koko_ | only to put in sources.list wheezy depot ? |
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| 17:30.22 | fantastic1 | how do i setup rsync of dedi server and home linux server |
| 17:31.51 | jhutchins_wk | dimadima: Are you in aggregate or multi-core display mode? |
| 17:32.18 | jhutchins_wk | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:32.24 | boudiccas | koko_: what do you mean by 'wheezy depot'? To me, a retired nurse, a 'depot' is a specific form of injection, so what do #you# mean? |
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| 17:34.28 | MrFrood | boudiccas: I think they mean repro |
| 17:34.49 | ompaul | fantastic1: rsync -ave ssh user@faraway-dedicated-box:/path/to/files/to/backup/* /local/backup/. or rsync -ave ssh /local/backup/* user@faraway-dedicated-box:/path/to/files/to/backup/. is my prefered way |
| 17:34.54 | boudiccas | mrfoobar-: ah, righjt, thanks. it wasn't very clear. |
| 17:35.00 | ompaul | for no good reason just it is :) |
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| 17:35.46 | fantastic1 | ompaul i dont have rsync on either server |
| 17:35.52 | fantastic1 | hi dan39 |
| 17:36.14 | Dan39 | i was told you may be here <_< haha |
| 17:36.14 | ompaul | fantastic1: apt-get install rsync you don't really want to say hello about a thousand times a day |
| 17:36.33 | fantastic1 | lol |
| 17:36.34 | ompaul | backs away from the party |
| 17:36.50 | Dan39 | ompaul: i believe i know him ;) |
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| 17:37.16 | Dan39 | fantastic1: i already told you, rsync IS already installed on box |
| 17:37.43 | fantastic1 | ok |
| 17:37.46 | Dan39 | its installed by default on like all linux distros haha |
| 17:37.52 | fantastic1 | need it to be on my local linux box |
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| 17:38.22 | Dan39 | it might be |
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| 17:38.34 | Dan39 | if not, apt-get install should work |
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| 17:40.42 | boudiccas | Dan39: rsync is not installed by default in wheezy! bit me on the bum that did! |
| 17:41.02 | Dan39 | o really haha |
| 17:41.22 | Dan39 | well he has squeeze and lenny boxes i believe, tho the lenny box is an NAS and may not have it |
| 17:41.45 | Dan39 | but why would it not be installed on wheezy by default? :| |
| 17:42.17 | ompaul | why is the world a spheroid, the answer is too long ;-) because it is |
| 17:42.25 | boudiccas | Dan39: a fresh install of wheezy does not have ti by default, you have to specify it when you're doing an apt-get |
| 17:42.38 | themill | Dan39: "why would it be" would be a better question. There are lots of tools, we don't want them all installed on every box unless they are needed. |
| 17:43.05 | Dan39 | well thats very simple |
| 17:43.13 | Dan39 | popularity, use, age |
| 17:43.28 | Dan39 | usefulness |
| 17:43.33 | Dan39 | why is bash installed? |
| 17:43.45 | Dan39 | why scp? |
| 17:43.51 | dimadima | jhutchins_wk: i'm not familiar with those terms. it appears i was wrong about the cores though. i'm on a computer with a single core |
| 17:43.53 | themill | Dan39: scp is also not installed by default. |
| 17:43.56 | Dan39 | awww |
| 17:44.00 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 17:44.45 | Dan39 | in a world where we have faster internet and cheaper DVDs or even bluray, why would debian choose to go leave common stuff out? |
| 17:44.47 | themill | Dan39: bash is the default user shell -- it has a guaranteed usage on a new installation. /msg dpkg minimal install |
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| 17:45.11 | themill | Dan39: you're confusing install media with installed packages |
| 17:45.37 | Dan39 | well you have a point there |
| 17:45.53 | Dan39 | but i usually do a net install |
| 17:45.59 | Dan39 | ive never used the actual install media haha |
| 17:46.03 | Dan39 | except for once |
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| 17:46.15 | Dan39 | and that was very long time ago |
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| 17:46.24 | Dan39 | not very long actually |
| 17:46.29 | Dan39 | but a few years at least |
| 17:46.36 | ompaul | Dan39: have you a specific debian question |
| 17:46.39 | themill | the netinstall is install media. |
| 17:47.04 | dimadima | isn't it weird, though, that an rsync over a gigabit network would cap out at 16MB/s, even with arcfour? the slower box is a 1ghz atom. perhaps that's the issue. i'm reading online about various benchmarking approaches-- but w/o benchmarks, does 16 MB/s sound slow given what i've said? |
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| 17:47.45 | jelly-home | dimadima: if you're on a trusted network, use the native rsync protocol instead of letting it pass thru ssh. |
| 17:48.02 | jelly-home | that means setting up a rsync server tho |
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| 17:48.50 | Dan39 | dimadima: and it goes much faster with other transfer methods? |
| 17:48.52 | dimadima | jelly-home: i am, but unfortunately i've lost root access on the source box (that's why i'm rsyncing all the contents off of it--it's a propietary device and i'm not sure how to boot up the root part and fix the problem without wiping) |
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| 17:49.24 | dimadima | Dan39: i'm reading about how to make sure to invalidate caches etc right now to do that test |
| 17:49.38 | dimadima | Dan39: over SMB, it goes like 100MB/s |
| 17:49.47 | dimadima | 60-100MB/s |
| 17:49.59 | fantastic1 | rsync is installed on local nas |
| 17:50.08 | fantastic1 | and also on isp dedi server |
| 17:50.15 | fantastic1 | need to sync dedi server with local nas |
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| 17:52.25 | medusaXX | i'd like to run a windows server in a virtual machine with debian as host |
| 17:52.33 | medusaXX | what virtualization would you recommend |
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| 17:52.41 | Dan39 | dimadima: ive had issued like that before trying to send at even 100mbit speeds on slow box (900mhz), never figured out really how to fix it, but it seemed to be the slow cpu couldnt handle TCP, since if i used rsync tunneled through socks5 on other computer in LAN, it would do the full 100mbit easily |
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| 17:53.22 | fantastic1 | so Dan39 |
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| 17:53.33 | Dan39 | what? |
| 17:53.48 | Dan39 | you will have to figure it out |
| 17:53.50 | Dan39 | its all in google |
| 17:53.54 | dimadima | Dan39: thanks. it really does seem to be the ssh. i'm going to try to see if i can set up the rsync daemon w/o root |
| 17:53.55 | Dan39 | unless you want to pay me more lol |
| 17:54.33 | Dan39 | dimadima: try rcp? |
| 17:55.09 | Dan39 | that should be quick way to test if its the encryption or ssh limiting it, right... |
| 17:55.22 | Dan39 | SMB may not even being using TCP, eh? |
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| 17:55.33 | jelly-home | or just do a tar|nc if there's still a majority of data to be copied |
| 17:55.48 | fantastic1 | o |
| 17:56.03 | Dan39 | fantastic1: just google using rsync |
| 17:56.22 | Dan39 | and then put it into crontab to run daily maybe |
| 17:56.40 | fantastic1 | flashfxp does not work well |
| 17:56.46 | Dan39 | why not? |
| 17:57.02 | fantastic1 | needs the laptop with the flashfxp client to be switched on |
| 17:57.15 | Dan39 | didnt we test closing it, and it continued sending? |
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| 17:58.14 | fantastic1 | yes but laptop was on |
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| 17:58.23 | fantastic1 | once the laptop is switched off then it goes off |
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| 17:59.34 | DeltaHeavy | Hey, I was wondering how I can uninstall all the games that come with the 'gnome' package, and remove the category from my GNOME2 menu. I'm using Squeeze |
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| 18:02.11 | themill | DeltaHeavy: I imagine most of them will be brought in by the "gnome-games" package. To remove that package, you'll have to mark the rest of the dependencies of the gnome package as being "manually installed" |
| 18:03.25 | dimadima | Dan39: i was thinking that, but i like options like --delete, etc :D |
| 18:03.26 | DeltaHeavy | themill: Ah, 'apt-get remove gnome-games' worked just by itself. Thanks! |
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| 18:03.58 | Dan39 | dimadima: huh? i meant just for test |
| 18:05.27 | dimadima | Dan39: oh, i see. yeah, i definitely will. right now, actually, i've got the rsync daemon set up without root. i lost root access on this stupid NAS in the most comical way possible. |
| 18:05.38 | Dan39 | o_O |
| 18:05.44 | Dan39 | do explain |
| 18:05.50 | dimadima | Dan39: i know, right? |
| 18:06.04 | dimadima | Dan39: hahaha. the default shell for root is 'exit' :D |
| 18:06.20 | Dan39 | O_o |
| 18:06.30 | dimadima | and i don't have any sudoers set up. i was a bit gungho. and it's a proprietary box that i can't boot around the root embedded device |
| 18:06.43 | dimadima | it sucks pretty absurdly. i'm tired of trying to hack it :D |
| 18:07.01 | Dan39 | ypi cnt use su? |
| 18:07.05 | Dan39 | you cant use su? |
| 18:07.43 | dimadima | nope. as soon as i log in, it logs out |
| 18:08.01 | xingu | dimadima: can you sftp in as root? :) |
| 18:08.03 | Dan39 | su -c 'usermod -s /bin/bash root' -s /bin/bash |
| 18:08.12 | Dan39 | that wouldnt work?^^^ |
| 18:08.22 | Dan39 | thatll su using bash instead of exit id think |
| 18:08.45 | dimadima | xingu: i haven't tried that, but i don't think sftp is running! |
| 18:08.55 | Dan39 | su allows you to specify shell |
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| 18:09.21 | dimadima | Dan39: lemme try what you just pasted. i last tried hacking this like 8 months ago, and gave up. right now i'm just doing clenaup. but i'll spend a few minutes again for sure! :DDD |
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| 18:09.33 | dimadima | i know i tried various ways to invoke a different default shell :D |
| 18:09.42 | Dan39 | hmm it may not, fromt he man "If the target user has a restricted shell (i.e. not listed in /etc/shells) the --shell option and the SHELL environment variables are ignored unless the calling user is root." |
| 18:09.44 | dimadima | but never hurts to try some more with you guys |
| 18:09.59 | dimadima | yeah i think that's the problem |
| 18:10.05 | xingu | dimadima: sftp support chmod as well as chown... just saying. |
| 18:10.43 | Dan39 | you cant just take the hdd out of the NAS and hook it up to computer? |
| 18:10.54 | Dan39 | thats usually really easy, isnt it... <_< |
| 18:11.17 | xingu | dimadima: also IIRC ssh user@somehost 'command' does not start their shell. |
| 18:11.25 | dimadima | Dan39: it's an embedded device that the root filesystem is rnning on, not an hd |
| 18:11.33 | Dan39 | o |
| 18:11.34 | Dan39 | haha |
| 18:11.45 | Dan39 | the data is on HDD tho isnt it? |
| 18:11.59 | Dan39 | so instead of transferring it over network, just hook it up and cp? |
| 18:12.06 | dimadima | xingu: so wha tcould i chmod, /etc/passwd? |
| 18:12.11 | dimadima | xingu: (over ssh) |
| 18:12.15 | dimadima | (erm, sftp) |
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| 18:12.30 | xingu | dimadima: that'd be one way, or making a copy of /bin/bash as root:root, u+s... |
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| 18:12.59 | dimadima | maybe i could symlink /bin/bash to /bin/exit |
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| 18:13.11 | jelly-home | no exit |
| 18:13.14 | dimadima | jelly-home: :D |
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| 18:13.28 | dimadima | lol now i want to hack this thing again. |
| 18:13.37 | R4ven | Hi, just a question about a thumb rule regarding mail server in general |
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| 18:13.40 | dimadima | i have the root passwd, it shouldn't be so hard! |
| 18:13.42 | noob34234 | hi |
| 18:14.02 | R4ven | is there always said that Postfix should use SASLauthd and authenticate using STARTTLS when a user wants to send an email against that mail server? |
| 18:14.13 | R4ven | or is it prefered to run Postfix with SSL like Imap Courier SSL for instance. |
| 18:14.45 | Dan39 | dimadima: what makes it even more difficult is its NAS so i guess you couldnt do any other method that stops you from being able to ssh in |
| 18:15.20 | abrotman | R4ven: both ? |
| 18:15.40 | dimadima | i tried `ssh root@weezy 'usermod -s /bin/bash root'` but for some reason it said permission denied even though i have the correct passworxd |
| 18:16.02 | R4ven | abrotman: yes both, |
| 18:16.08 | R4ven | i know the question is a bit confusing.. |
| 18:16.33 | R4ven | but what im wondering is, what is prefered, to run Postfix and auth method is SSL ? instead of the standard STARTTLS. |
| 18:16.35 | xingu | dimadima: just checked here, sshd is a little picky about the shell existing. |
| 18:16.46 | R4ven | ir is it better to run SSL on both Postfix and Imap Courier When Reading / Sending Email ? |
| 18:17.06 | noob34234 | trying to install latest ati radeon beta drivers from the ati package. already built the four .deb using option --buildpkg Debian/testing to the installer. now when i issue dpkg .i *.deb. i ran into dependency problems. Could someone help me with this ? |
| 18:17.21 | jelly-home | R4ven: STARTTLS is just a different (and preferred) method of initiating an SSL connection. |
| 18:17.25 | dimadima | xingu: ftp runs in a chroot, also |
| 18:17.35 | Dan39 | dimadima: is the data on hdd tho? |
| 18:17.43 | xingu | dimadima: that's fine, I bet the user can access the same chroot. |
| 18:17.58 | R4ven | jelly-home: ok thank you that was a good answer i was looking for |
| 18:18.05 | xingu | dimadima: the only thing necessary is to be able to upload a copy of /bin/bash then set the suid bit on it. |
| 18:18.11 | R4ven | jelly-home: i thought it was 2 separate ways of initiating an SSL connection |
| 18:18.36 | jelly-home | R4ven: using default ports and starttls is preferred to using separate ports with automatic ssl, these days |
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| 18:18.53 | xingu | dimadima: ie a copy of the nas's own one; so cp /bin/bash /ftp/daemon/chroot/..., set suid, set uid=root, done. |
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| 18:19.02 | R4ven | jelly-home: yes of cource thanks for the good answers IE Thumb rules :) |
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| 18:19.22 | jelly-home | R4ven: as for saslauthd, postfix can use cyrus or dovecot sasl. saslauthd is just one option for the cyrus-sasl setup |
| 18:19.57 | R4ven | jelly-home: yeah i just managed to set up my first mail server ever |
| 18:19.58 | intore | hi guys, i have a question. On my laptop i have debian installed and i HAD ubuntu also installed. Grub has been installed by ubuntu. I did an error and i formatted the ubuntu partition so now i need to reinstall grub. I'm using a live usb but am not sure about waht to do. Could you help me please? |
| 18:20.05 | dimadima | Dan39: i'm not sure. i'm reluctant to move around the HDs because they're in a logical volume (it's a RAID) and i don't want to futz with it until the files are backed up |
| 18:20.06 | R4ven | jelly-home: really happy about it. it was a great experience |
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| 18:20.27 | jelly-home | R4ven: good luck, you're going to need it |
| 18:20.36 | R4ven | :) |
| 18:20.57 | noob34234 | trying to install latest ati radeon beta drivers from the ati package. already built the four .deb using option --buildpkg Debian/testing to the installer. now when i issue dpkg .i *.deb. i ran into dependency problems. Could someone help me with this ? |
| 18:20.57 | R4ven | jelly-home: it actually works quite well, Postfix > Courier Imap > Saslauthd > Mysql |
| 18:21.01 | dimadima | xingu: wait how can i setuit on a file as root if i'm not root? |
| 18:21.04 | dimadima | setuid |
| 18:21.10 | R4ven | cyrus-sasl :) |
| 18:21.23 | xingu | dimadima: does the ftpd let you in as root? :) |
| 18:21.33 | Jippi | Hi; for some reason, my debian freezes up at "cleaning temporary files" during bootup, both in recovery and normal boot; ^C / ^Z doesn't kill it, and waiting for it to exit never happens; any suggestions how I can avoid this step in my boot sequence so I can access my server ? :) |
| 18:21.46 | dimadima | xingu: supposing it does... which, actually, i doubt it does. but... supposing... |
| 18:23.03 | xingu | dimadima: then copy a shell under the ftp chroot, ftp in, chown/chmod via ftp, bickety bam. |
| 18:23.31 | dimadima | xingu: root's default shell in /etc/password is still listed as 'exit', though |
| 18:24.15 | xingu | dimadima: once you have a shell binary that runs setuid that's sort of irrelevant, you can just go fix with vi. |
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| 18:24.32 | xingu | dimadima: failing that, my guess is the NAS has a firmware recovery option? |
| 18:24.57 | Dan39 | fantastic1: talk in here |
| 18:25.01 | dimadima | xingu: it does. i want to backup my data first though :D hence the rysnc questions before. lemme think about your answer with the bash copy |
| 18:25.05 | noob34234 | hi guys. i m having a hard time trying to install latest ati radeon driver from ati package. could someone help me with this ? |
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| 18:25.54 | acu | I have r-base installed. How can I check that R is made as a shared library? |
| 18:26.15 | dimadima | xingu: okay i get what you're saying. copy a shell binary in the chroot, ftp in as root, because i'm root, i'll set the ownership/perms/setuid over ftp, then i can ssh back in, run the shell as a regular user, it'll run as root, bam |
| 18:26.19 | dimadima | right? |
| 18:26.22 | Jippi | running strace on a process trying to rm -rf /tmp gives me this; https://gist.github.com/e96876bbc5372a14d8b4 in an infinite loop |
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| 18:26.31 | Jippi | any suggestions to what it can be? |
| 18:26.52 | newtoaptandpoint | hi guys. i m having a hard time trying to install latest ati radeon driver from ati package. could someone help me with this ? |
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| 18:27.13 | xingu | dimadima: yep |
| 18:28.00 | jelly-home | didn't gnu bash had some silly code to detect it being setuid and going nuh-uh |
| 18:28.10 | jelly-home | have |
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| 18:28.28 | dimadima | what's a good cli ftp client that comes ubuntu |
| 18:28.37 | jelly-home | lftp? |
| 18:28.58 | dimadima | or is in the livecd repo. jelly-home yeah i just tried lftp, but it's giving me this "Ceritificate verification: Not trusted" error |
| 18:29.04 | dimadima | i'll keep working it though :D |
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| 18:29.44 | gass | hello there. |
| 18:30.03 | gass | in testing i am experiencying bad characters in libre office menus |
| 18:31.42 | dimadima | loves google. "lftp -e "set ftp:ssl-allow no" does the trick |
| 18:32.16 | dimadima | aw man, i can't ftp as root :< |
| 18:32.20 | dimadima | as i expected |
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| 18:32.43 | newtoaptandpoint | hi. does anyone know how to sucessfully install fglrx .debs from ati package ? dpkg is complaining about libfglrx not being installed and other breakage warning |
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| 18:33.13 | ompaul | !ati |
| 18:33.13 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:33.13 | gass | in testing i am experiencying bad characters in libre office menus <--- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/56944908/libreooficeproblem.png |
| 18:33.14 | acu | I need to install RPy, but first I need to check that I have built R with the configure option '--enable-R-shlib', in order to make R as a shared library. How would I do this check? |
| 18:33.18 | fantastic1 | dan39 |
| 18:33.57 | xingu | jelly-home: looks like you're right about bash having suid-defeating cow powers these days; ksh on the other hand... |
| 18:34.14 | dimadima | Dan39: why is the -s switch necessary. can't i just do ` su -c 'usermod -s /bin/bash root'` anyway? |
| 18:34.15 | newtoaptandpoint | dpkg: ok |
| 18:34.15 | dpkg | newtoaptandpoint: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:34.23 | jelly-home | dash is probably simple enough not to do those kinds of shenanigans |
| 18:34.30 | dimadima | Dan39: obviously that's not working |
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| 18:36.34 | jelly-home | I also don't know why Linux kernel still has suid hashbang defeating powers |
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| 18:37.09 | dimadima | if root in /etc/passwd is `root:x:0:0:root:/root:1 exit`, where could i make a symlink to /bin/bash to `1 exit`, maybe in /bin? |
| 18:37.10 | jelly-home | "oh you can run this script setgid everywhere, except on Linux where you need a compiled wrapper" |
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| 18:37.51 | jelly-home | dimadima: maybe in / rather |
| 18:38.03 | dimadima | jelly-home: i guess / is owned by root and ic an't write to it :< |
| 18:38.30 | jelly-home | eh... pull the disk out and/or connect it to another machine |
| 18:38.34 | dimadima | oh well fuckthis hacking and back to rsyncing. never buying a stupid proprietary device again. netgear stupid nas. wtf |
| 18:38.47 | dimadima | jelly-home: i can't :< it's an embedded flash |
| 18:39.13 | jelly-home | how large can an embedded flash be that you can't wait 18MB/s to finish |
| 18:39.32 | dimadima | jelly-home: it's the 3 TB array that i am copying |
| 18:39.47 | jelly-home | that 3TB array is not on the embedded flash is it?? |
| 18:39.57 | acu | What is R source directory in Debian? |
| 18:40.10 | dimadima | jelly-home: hehe naaa. the root filesystem, with /etc/passwd, is on the embedded flash. the raid array is mounted elsewhere |
| 18:40.34 | dimadima | /dev/md0 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime) |
| 18:40.36 | jelly-home | dimadima: so plug the array disk SATA/IDE/whatever into a different machine |
| 18:40.42 | jelly-home | disks* |
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| 18:41.17 | dilig | am I seeing correctly that there is no version of Enlightenment (the window manager) in any official repo? |
| 18:41.34 | dimadima | jelly-home: what for? i wouldn't do that anyway becuase i need to back up the data before i do things like that. but what do you mean? |
| 18:41.39 | jelly-home | is what I do with my crappy NAS -- it serves as external case and power, and two SATA cables connect to a decent if old laptop with eSATA |
| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | dimadima: to copy things -faster- |
| 18:42.42 | dimadima | jelly-home: oh yeah. i see. well, the only desktop type computer i have is this dell from 2005 or whatever. it's a nice pentium 4 with lots of ram, but does't have esata etc. there's no way for me to connect that array to a different computer, at least a way in which i am confident, you know |
| 18:43.04 | jelly-home | ah |
| 18:43.12 | Dan39 | dimadima: su runs the supplied command with a shell, so yes youd need to tell su to use bash instead of exit lol |
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| 18:43.33 | dimadima | Dan39: i see, it still uses the shell. i figured :D |
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| 18:43.45 | Dan39 | yea it doesnt work anyways because of that line i pasted before |
| 18:43.46 | jelly-home | dimadima: SATA cables would work if you connected to the onboard sata on the desktop |
| 18:43.48 | dimadima | welp, off to see if the rsync daemon is faster, which it should be, right--- considering it doesn't use SSH |
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| 18:44.13 | Dan39 | if the default shell is not a valid shell, then unless your running su from root, it wont use the shell you specify |
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| 18:44.29 | dimadima | jelly-home: this is a netgear readynas nvx+, it's got 4 drives 3 in it, and i thnk it's using LVM to present them as 1 big ex4 part |
| 18:44.40 | Dan39 | dimadima: so have you found out if sftp is on? |
| 18:44.40 | dimadima | i thin kthe data is stripped, etc |
| 18:44.50 | dimadima | Dan39: regular ftp is on. but i can't ftp in as root |
| 18:44.57 | Dan39 | ah |
| 18:44.59 | Dan39 | no sftp? |
| 18:45.08 | dimadima | i don't think so... why would that be different anyway? |
| 18:45.32 | dimadima | (though i don't think that's a service on this box) |
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| 18:45.33 | jelly-home | dimadima: a md array, or a lv VG, or a combination, can be reassembled and started on any other linux box if you're careful |
| 18:45.35 | Dan39 | because its not using the ftpd which may require user to have valid shell to login |
| 18:45.49 | jelly-home | lvm VG |
| 18:45.53 | dimadima | jelly-home: i don't have the skillz, unfortunately! :< |
| 18:45.57 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 18:46.01 | dimadima | so i don't want to risk blowing it :d |
| 18:46.05 | Dan39 | heh |
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| 18:47.01 | dimadima | /dev/md0 is likely an embedded flash, right? that's what i've been assuming it is |
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| 18:48.44 | jelly-home | dimadima: no, md0 is a linux md raid (soft raid) array |
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| 18:49.05 | jelly-home | /dev/mtd* would have been flash |
| 18:49.19 | Dan39 | hmm how do those few people at top of nicklist have a nick starting with a number o_O |
| 18:49.20 | dimadima | oh, i see. then the OS is running off the raid. i was wrong. i still don't want to mess with the array. :D |
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| 18:57.59 | dimadima | yeah using the rsync daemon it's like 30-35MB/s |
| 18:58.00 | dimadima | nice |
| 18:58.03 | dimadima | thanks guys |
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| 18:59.16 | _niCe_ | jhutchins_wk, well i can't find it too, but still the connection is closed |
| 19:00.16 | tapirath | Hello guys, I've just got locked out of SSH on my remote Debian Squeeze server after a system update. I literally did nothing but a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade". I don't have physical access to the machine. An here is the SSH debug: http://pastebin.com/uWMD6vj9 |
| 19:00.21 | tapirath | any help would be appreciated |
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| 19:04.01 | xingu | dimadima: what groups is your normal user a member of, just out of interest? "id" should say. |
| 19:04.46 | diabolist | tapirath did you have a nokey pass or whatever? |
| 19:05.21 | diabolist | I wander if the update wiped your authorized_keys |
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| 19:05.56 | tapirath | diabolist: there was no key set up |
| 19:06.03 | dimadima | xingu: let me tell you. my user (dima) is part of these groups: uid=1002(dima) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),101(homeusers) |
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| 19:06.25 | xsappyx | tapirath: can you run a command over ssh? it looks like you are getting logged in but you're not getting a shell ssh $server $command maybe just an ls in your home dir or something |
| 19:06.28 | dimadima | what i don't get is how the webmin (from which i was able to enable rsyncd) has root-like access |
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| 19:06.45 | tapirath | xsappyx: let me try |
| 19:06.56 | dimadima | like, the webserver that powers the webmin has super privs |
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| 19:08.36 | tapirath | xsappyx: I don't think I can "ssh MY_USERNAME@MY_WEBSITE.com -p 11337 -f 'ls /'" return nothing |
| 19:09.04 | reddolf | Does ssh -t work? |
| 19:09.09 | tapirath | my webserver is not working anymore either. it just says file not found when I try to reach the server. But it doesn't time out |
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| 19:09.55 | tapirath | reddolf: -t does not work |
| 19:10.08 | reddolf | How did you try it? |
| 19:10.28 | tapirath | added -t to above command |
| 19:10.46 | reddolf | But that's a bit useless... |
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| 19:11.19 | tapirath | I never used it before man says it forces tty allocation (I don't know what it is) how should I use it |
| 19:11.23 | diabolist | Oh |
| 19:11.34 | diabolist | debug3: Ignored env SHELL ? somthing to do? |
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| 19:11.59 | dimadima | out for a bit while this rsyncs! thanks again everybody |
| 19:12.03 | reddolf | That's for when you need to use a program that needs a tty. |
| 19:12.30 | reddolf | like mutt, or vim |
| 19:12.49 | tapirath | hmm jsut a minute |
| 19:12.53 | diabolist | Oh ok. |
| 19:13.26 | tapirath | I think I'm screwed :/ it's not related to SSH because nginx trhows "file not found" when I try to access the website |
| 19:13.36 | tapirath | started to happen at the same time |
| 19:13.51 | xsappyx | tapirath: any chance you have that apt-get update/upgrade output still? |
| 19:13.59 | tapirath | google search for both problem independently gives "PAM" related issues |
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| 19:14.10 | tapirath | jsut a minute let me check |
| 19:14.29 | tapirath | nope :/ |
| 19:14.50 | reddolf | Could be a number of things... the log doesn't really say much. |
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| 19:15.19 | reddolf | Maybe even a full /var or /tmp. |
| 19:15.32 | reddolf | Since the http services don't work. |
| 19:15.41 | xsappyx | tapirath: have you rebooted this box yet? |
| 19:15.52 | tapirath | xsappyx: yes it started to happen after restart |
| 19:16.12 | xsappyx | tapirath: do you have console access in some way? this remote hardware or a vps? |
| 19:16.41 | tapirath | it's a vps I already contacted the provider. do you think they can do something over there? |
| 19:16.59 | tapirath | I don2t have any access whatsoever. I only used SSH so far |
| 19:17.28 | reddolf | Probably won't work, but could you try: ssh -t host vi |
| 19:17.38 | tapirath | ok |
| 19:18.07 | tapirath | connection closed :/ |
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| 19:18.49 | reddolf | Yes... you might need to ask them to kick the power button for you. |
| 19:19.07 | xsappyx | tapirath: do you have a web management app from those guys? lots of the vps software provide console access available through the web interface |
| 19:19.26 | tapirath | let me check |
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| 19:20.25 | tapirath | it seems they don't have one |
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| 19:21.49 | reddolf | Heh. It sucks not being able to look at the logs. |
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| 19:22.22 | tapirath | Tell me about it. I'll have a heart attack in the very near future :) |
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| 19:23.53 | tapirath | Seems like it's up to the provider to solve this (if they can) |
| 19:24.07 | acu | how can I make a link to RHOME/bin/libR.so in /usr/local/lib? |
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| 19:26.06 | reddolf | acu man ln |
| 19:26.27 | acu | What is the command to find bin/libR.so? |
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| 19:26.55 | reddolf | What do you mean, "find"? |
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| 19:26.59 | cthuluh | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=RHOME/bin |
| 19:27.13 | jelly-home | acu: are you sure a .so library would be in a bin/ directory? |
| 19:27.58 | cthuluh | s/would/should |
| 19:28.05 | jelly-home | no |
| 19:28.22 | cthuluh | hmm? |
| 19:28.27 | acu | jelly-home , not completely, since I can not find it |
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| 19:28.39 | jelly-home | cthuluh: I already know the answer to "should it be there", it's "no" |
| 19:28.59 | jelly-home | acu: how did you install R? |
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| 19:29.10 | jelly-home | ,file libR.so |
| 19:29.16 | judd | Search for libR.so in squeeze/i386: r-base-core: usr/lib/R/lib/libR.so, usr/lib/libR.so; r-base-core-ra: usr/lib/Ra/lib/R/lib/libR.so; r-base-core-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/R/lib/libR.so |
| 19:29.18 | crolab | and no it would never be there also |
| 19:29.33 | xsappyx | tapirath: not really sure how much more we can do here w/o any ssh access.. do you have another user account on that machine you could try to log in with? maybe see if root logins are possible? |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | acu: does /usr/lib/libR.so answer your question |
| 19:30.22 | tapirath | xsappyx: tried root already. gives the same log |
| 19:30.22 | tapirath | I know without SSH I'm screwed. thanks for trying |
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| 19:31.12 | crolab | tapirath: can you ping between the two machines |
| 19:31.32 | themill | tapirath: did you try «ssh user@machine ls» did you get any output back from that? |
| 19:31.51 | acu | jelly-home, . file libR.so gave me bash: .: /usr/bin/file: cannot execute binary file |
| 19:31.52 | xsappyx | crolab: he can ssh in and then the connection is killed before he gets a shell.. some of the motd gets printed |
| 19:32.02 | tapirath | crolab: yes ping works |
| 19:32.27 | tapirath | themill: yes other people recommended the same. it doesnt work |
| 19:32.31 | jelly-home | acu: that dot in the front probably does more harm than good. |
| 19:32.56 | themill | tapirath: I'd like to see the command line you gave and output in a pastebin -- what you typed earlier looked rather different to that |
| 19:33.04 | jelly-home | acu: just do "file /usr/lib/libR.so" and then a "file -L /usr/lib/libR.so" as well |
| 19:33.26 | reddolf | He uses a different port... |
| 19:33.27 | tapirath | themill: just a minute |
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| 19:33.59 | crolab | tapirath: can the user log in normally on the computer with the sshd |
| 19:34.13 | reddolf | Is it at all possible that the upgrading led to a full disk? |
| 19:34.29 | jelly-home | acu: judging by "r-base-core: usr/lib/R/lib/libR.so" and knowing absolutely nothing about R, I'd guess wildly that RHOME=/usr/lib/R |
| 19:35.07 | themill | reddolf: yeah, he needs to specify the port, but not all the rest of the -f etc. |
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| 19:36.46 | tapirath | themill: http://pastebin.com/Sx2uiQGK there you go |
| 19:36.56 | acu | jelly-home , you are right, it is in /usr/lib/R/lib. Now I just need to find the command to make a link to RHOME/bin/libR.so in /usr/local/lib |
| 19:36.59 | tapirath | reddolf I can see the disk quote just a minute |
| 19:37.12 | jelly-home | acu: why do you think you need to do that? |
| 19:37.24 | tapirath | crolab: it's a VPS on a remote area I don't have any other access only SSH |
| 19:37.47 | jelly-home | acu: libR.so is already present in the standard dynamic library path, /ius |
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| 19:38.05 | jelly-home | acu: ... libs from /usr/lib will get loaded automatically |
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| 19:38.13 | reddolf | Can you connect with netcat to any other open port, tapirath? |
| 19:38.25 | reddolf | line nc host 80, for instance |
| 19:38.31 | reddolf | like* |
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| 19:39.41 | acu | jelly-home, yes, I think I am overdoing it |
| 19:39.42 | tapirath | reddolf: well nginx works it just can't find the PHP files. does that count? |
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| 19:40.03 | reddolf | Hm. It does, but it makes things worse. |
| 19:40.33 | tapirath | :) |
| 19:40.44 | reddolf | My bet is it's out of space, if that's possible. |
| 19:40.54 | reddolf | Good luck with that. |
| 19:42.15 | jelly-home | acu: perhaps there's a /usr/share/doc/r-base/README.Debian for you to read |
| 19:42.32 | tapirath | I've looked at providers admin panel. couldn't find any quote graphs but my latest backup is 1 GB where as I have space for 60 GB |
| 19:42.44 | tapirath | but /var and /tmp might be partitioned for less I don't remember |
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| 19:44.47 | reddolf | I was locked out recently... |
| 19:45.07 | reddolf | But it was even worse... 'cause I couldn't remember in which physical machine the VM was. =/ |
| 19:45.32 | r3m | ,v znc |
| 19:45.33 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-2; wheezy: 0.206-2; experimental: 1.0-2 |
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| 20:05.52 | micket | (debian netinstall here); I found that qt applications looked like crap, so I installed kde-style-oxygen, and stuff like kdevelop looks great now, but other applications still have the old look. qtconfig doesn't list oxygen among the GUI-styles. |
| 20:07.05 | micket | And the question is of course; how can i make all qt applications use oxygen style? |
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| 20:09.34 | micket | ah. Managed to find something on google already, QT_PLUGIN_PATH or symlink. Seems to be a bug report on it as well. |
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| 20:16.29 | cytrinox | hi |
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| 20:17.26 | cytrinox | Is there any chance to run the regular debian installer (from netinst.iso) from an existing debian (rescue) system? |
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| 20:18.40 | cytrinox | is this installer available as package? |
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| 20:20.55 | Launch_Director | can anyone explain what does load average in byobu mean |
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| 20:21.25 | udoprog | Hi, I am looking for a way to download and unpack packages, but prevent them from being configure. Like the same state that multistrap leaves the bootstrapped system in. |
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| 20:22.57 | udoprog | Any way to accomplish that using apt and accompanying tools? |
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| 20:23.54 | xsappyx | udoprog: apt-get --download-only will get you part way there, not sure what the 2nd step to unpack them would be |
| 20:23.56 | jelly-home | cytrinox: I don't think it is, yet, #debian-boot on irc.debian.org is the installer channel and people there might know better about how to run it that way |
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| 20:24.49 | xsappyx | Launch_Director: i think that is the 1min load average sample |
| 20:25.00 | cytrinox | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 20:25.10 | Launch_Director | xsappyx: yes but i don't know what the value means |
| 20:25.22 | Launch_Director | 2.00 |
| 20:25.26 | Launch_Director | doesn't explain much |
| 20:25.36 | Launch_Director | what kind of load it's measuring |
| 20:25.53 | jelly-home | Launch_Director: the number of processes waiting in the run queue |
| 20:26.18 | Launch_Director | somtimes its 2.02 |
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| 20:26.43 | Launch_Director | ok thanks |
| 20:26.52 | jelly-home | Launch_Director: rule of thumb is not to worry while the number is lower than the number of cores the kernel detected |
| 20:26.57 | udoprog | xsappyx: yeah, I've been looking into the way debootstrap does it (using --foreign) but it's a completely opaque set of custom scripts that reads and manipulates the state of the system directly |
| 20:27.39 | Launch_Director | jelly-home: well.. running this on the RPi and sometimes i get like 6.95 |
| 20:27.50 | jelly-home | Launch_Director: you'll find some results googling for "load average", eg. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9001 |
| 20:28.12 | Launch_Director | i tought number of processes should be an integer |
| 20:28.15 | xsappyx | udoprog: looks like you can --unpack with dpkg(1) but I'd go find docs on what the full process is supposed to look like manually |
| 20:28.28 | jelly-home | Launch_Director: it's an average over a time period |
| 20:28.32 | Launch_Director | oh ok |
| 20:30.07 | udoprog | xsappyx: dpkg can do everything, but I miss out on package downloading and dependency resolution since it only operates on singular debs |
| 20:31.11 | udoprog | probably nothing to say that I could not do a --download-only run and then iterate over the cache and individually doing --unpack with dpkg, assuming I have a clean system. But that solution is kind of messy |
| 20:31.38 | xsappyx | udoprog: you've gone past my knowledge of how dpkg works behind the scenes. what are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | set up a foreigh arch in all likelihood |
| 20:32.28 | jelly-home | igh. |
| 20:32.42 | Launch_Director | jelly-home: thanks good link |
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| 20:33.09 | Launch_Director | how do i stop stop tor, or kill the process |
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| 20:35.47 | udoprog | xsappyx: build an initrd using emdebian packages with some kernel modules, the only way to prevent the generation of an initrd, initramfs and various other package trigger failures in the target system is to patch it prior to configuring packages |
| 20:36.18 | udoprog | build an initramfs* |
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| 20:36.54 | Launch_Director | looks like "/etc/init.d/tor stop" worked |
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| 20:44.20 | fantastic1 | what happened Dan39 |
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| 20:45.15 | fantastic1 | Hi Dan39 |
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| 20:49.00 | scoopex | is there a software which eases the management of debian package repositories? i'm searchin for something compareable to the java nexus repository manager....the application should provide a password protected rest interface to upload packes and should generate the package lists automatically... |
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| 20:49.57 | ansgar | scoopex: reprepro, dak, and possibly others. Though they don't have a HTTP interface. |
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| 20:50.45 | ansgar | scoopex: You just have to upload files to a directory and they can process it (using the .changes file). How you upload them is up to you. |
| 20:51.27 | nvz | I can't understand why I have two Debian 6 boxes here, mine I use sawfish on all the time, the other I just installed sawfish on, both have the exact same versions of sawfish and rep yet the one I just installed wont run sawfish-ui |
| 20:51.47 | Dan39 | fantastic1: what? |
| 20:51.48 | nvz | and it claims its because of a depreated function call that obviously isnt a problem cause it works over here |
| 20:52.00 | nvz | or variable definition rather |
| 20:52.02 | scoopex | ansgar: thanks...scp upload would also be an option... |
| 20:52.21 | scoopex | ansgar: or a webdav share.... |
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| 20:53.53 | An_Ony_Moose | how can I get a list of packages sorted by installed-size? |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | !tell An_Ony_Moose about sort by size |
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| 20:54.23 | fantastic1 | does rsync back up only finished downloads |
| 20:54.34 | fantastic1 | or does it do also seeding files as well |
| 20:54.51 | jelly-home | fantastic1: it does not know what files are still being written to. |
| 20:55.02 | jelly-home | read everything there is on the disk |
| 20:55.06 | jelly-home | reads* |
| 20:55.30 | fantastic1 | ok |
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| 20:55.46 | An_Ony_Moose | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:56.05 | fantastic1 | so if rsync stops it will start again and continue where it stopped |
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| 20:56.57 | jelly-home | pretty much |
| 20:57.21 | jelly-home | it does make an extra copy of a changed file on the destination, by default |
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| 20:57.49 | jelly-home | but only the changed blocks get transferred over the netwoek |
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| 20:59.08 | Dan39 | hmm jelly-home how would that work tho, im guessing with a torrent client it allocates the space for entire size of file, then writes the parts in, but will rsync copy just the part of file without the space around it.. if you get what im asking |
| 20:59.11 | fantastic1 | do i need to leave putty running once rsync has commened |
| 20:59.39 | fantastic1 | welcome back dan39 |
| 20:59.48 | Dan39 | ... did i go somewheres? |
| 21:00.08 | fantastic1 | seems cos did not get any responses |
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| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | Dan39: it will copy all the zeroes of a sparse file as zeroes |
| 21:01.57 | udoprog | if anyone is interested, the following experimental options (kind of) seems to do the trick: apt-get -y --force-yes -o DPkg::NoTriggers=true -o PackageManager::Configure=no -o DPkg::ConfigurePending=false -o DPkg::TriggersPending=false install ... |
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| 21:02.33 | jelly-home | udoprog: wow, that looks horrible |
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| 21:03.04 | Dan39 | udoprog: what the hell does it do? |
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| 21:05.02 | fantastic1 | how do i see progress @jelly-home |
| 21:05.15 | jelly-home | fantastic1: add -P to rsync options |
| 21:05.39 | jelly-home | run it inside screen if you want to disconnect |
| 21:06.17 | encrypt | postfix is delivering the message right to Mailbox but dovecot says 0 messages, any idea? |
| 21:06.25 | fantastic1 | will try @jelly-home |
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| 21:06.53 | udoprog | jelly-home: yep :) |
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| 21:07.31 | jelly-home | encrypt: make sure dovecot looks in the same place postfix delivers into? |
| 21:07.35 | udoprog | Dan39: download and unpack, but do not configure package |
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| 21:08.11 | jelly-home | udoprog: if dpkg shows the packages as unpacked but needing config, that's nice |
| 21:08.19 | fantastic1 | @jelly-home do i need to leave ssh open on laptop for this to continue |
| 21:08.30 | jelly-home | fantastic1: not if you run it inside screen |
| 21:08.41 | jelly-home | (or tmux) |
| 21:08.54 | fantastic1 | hmm |
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| 21:09.13 | encrypt | jelly-home, im using ldap, so when i login for the first time, dovecot creates the homedir for the user.. and I see postfix delivers to the same place.. to the Mailbox file.. Looks like dovecot is not reading Mailbox file? |
| 21:09.15 | jelly-home | fantastic1: otherwise, rsync will get a HUP signal when you close ssh, and die |
| 21:10.00 | fantastic1 | i logged into local nas server via putty (ssh) and rsync command to dedi server |
| 21:10.06 | Industrial | Why does the package ack exist as ack-grep? if i install it from source it installs 'ack' on the commandline, but debian calls it ack-grep? It's supposed to supersede grep right? |
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| 21:10.30 | jelly-home | encrypt: hard to say what's going on without looking at delivery logs and dovecot configuration |
| 21:10.46 | Industrial | I have an editor(vim) plugin that expects 'ack' aswell |
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| 21:10.51 | encrypt | jelly-home ok thanks :) |
| 21:10.58 | jelly-home | fantastic1: and you don't have screen on the local nas? |
| 21:11.15 | Industrial | would doing a sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/ack-grep /usr/local/bin/ack be a bad idea? |
| 21:11.47 | tyrmored | Industrial: maybe a shell function? |
| 21:11.47 | jelly-home | Industrial: some other tool previously existed using /usr/bin/ack |
| 21:12.10 | jelly-home | Industrial: it's not a bad idea as long as you don't install the other thing |
| 21:12.31 | Industrial | jelly-home: probably something to do with TCP ack? :) |
| 21:12.36 | jelly-home | Industrial: assuming you meant ln -s /usr/bin/ack-grep /usr/local/bin/ack |
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| 21:13.06 | jelly-home | ,info ack |
| 21:13.07 | judd | Package ack (text, extra) in squeeze/i386: Kanji code converter. Version: 1.39-12; Size: 17.4k; Installed: 92k |
| 21:13.18 | Industrial | I see |
| 21:13.19 | Industrial | jelly-home: what is the difference? I was going to attempt to do it with sudo |
| 21:13.20 | fantastic1 | @jelly-home : i am new to debian and used putty via ssh to log into local nas to rsync to server |
| 21:13.42 | jelly-home | fantastic1: in that case you needto keep putty runnin |
| 21:14.06 | fantastic1 | how can i do without that @jelly-home |
| 21:14.17 | Industrial | apt-get always installs it in /usr and not in /usr/local/ so that may be used to override /usr things? or is it the other way around |
| 21:14.19 | jelly-home | Industrial: sure, use sudo, but point your symlink to where ack-grep really exists |
| 21:14.39 | Industrial | which ack-grep said it was in /usr/bin |
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| 21:14.59 | jelly-home | fantastic1: don't start rsync immediately, start "screen" first. |
| 21:15.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell fantastic1 about screen |
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| 21:17.28 | encrypt | jelly-home i see that postfix is creating Mailbox file on /home/$user but seems dovecot is expecting it on /home/$user/new |
| 21:18.10 | encrypt | Oh i think accounts_result_format = %s/new/Mailbox will fix it |
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| 21:18.43 | crolab | Industrial: do echo $PATH to see which will get executed first (/usr/bin :) |
| 21:18.45 | fantastic1 | how do i run screen @jelly-home |
| 21:18.46 | encrypt | yea fixed |
| 21:18.54 | jelly-home | encrypt: if you plan to use the Maildir format, I strongly suggest to put it in $HOME/Maildir/ and not $HOME directly |
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| 21:19.05 | jelly-home | fantastic1: it's a command. Run it. |
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| 21:19.10 | Dan39 | hmmm just had a thought... what happens if i had an rsync cron job like hourly, but the 1st rsync doesnt finish by the time cron gets run again? will cron not run it, or what? |
| 21:19.20 | encrypt | ok thanks Jelly-home |
| 21:19.43 | fantastic1 | how do i run it - please advise @jelly-home |
| 21:19.58 | jelly-home | fantastic1: huh? Type "screen", press enter? |
| 21:20.32 | crolab | Dan39: do you have rsync set to automatically overwrite files? |
| 21:20.37 | fantastic1 | local nas - bash command not found |
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| 21:20.55 | jelly-home | fantastic1: then it's not installed, so install it first if possible. |
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| 21:21.47 | fantastic1 | @jelly-home how |
| 21:21.53 | Dan39 | crolab: umm im not sure, i usually just use -a option |
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| 21:22.07 | jelly-home | fantastic1: apt-get install screen, if you have Debian on that nas box |
| 21:22.22 | Industrial | crolab: right. it makes sense. users override system settings not the other way around. |
| 21:22.25 | Industrial | cheers |
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| 21:22.59 | Dan39 | crolab: overwrite the entire file instead of just the part of it you mean? |
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| 21:23.40 | crolab | Dan39: starting to overwrite a file in the process of being copied is gonna make a messed up file |
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| 21:24.10 | fantastic1 | busy downloading screen onto box @jelly-home |
| 21:24.15 | Dan39 | but what im asking is, will cron just run it again, and another rsync will start up trying to do the same thing? |
| 21:24.28 | crolab | yes cron will run it again |
| 21:24.31 | Dan39 | so should i just do a simple lock file? |
| 21:24.52 | Dan39 | so it doesnt run again if its already running... |
| 21:25.07 | Dan39 | in lots of the examples i see, they just have rsync command and thats all |
| 21:25.23 | Dan39 | nothing to stop it from running if the last rsync hasnt finished |
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| 21:25.46 | crolab | Dan39: i'd make a script that checks if the rsync is being done (parse ps -efw) and not run the second rsync |
| 21:26.22 | Dan39 | that doesnt seem smart lol |
| 21:26.31 | Dan39 | what if im doing an rsync myself manually... |
| 21:26.33 | fantastic1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.35 | Dan39 | then the cron wont run |
| 21:27.03 | jelly-home | got milk? |
| 21:27.07 | Dan39 | or check based on the directory im rsync'ing i guess |
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| 21:28.23 | fantastic1 | @jelly-home should i now type "screen" enter then goes to prompt and then type the rsync command |
| 21:28.48 | jelly-home | fantastic1: that was the idea. |
| 21:28.57 | crolab | Dan39: who helped you get the cron running? |
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| 21:29.16 | jelly-home | fantastic1: first run of screen will probably show a splash screen of sorts. |
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| 21:29.31 | fantastic1 | yes it done press space or enter |
| 21:29.33 | fantastic1 | done |
| 21:29.44 | fantastic1 | now i should run rsync command - |
| 21:29.47 | Dan39 | crolab: not saying i had a problem or anything, i was just helping fantastic1 and that problem came to my mind |
| 21:29.52 | jelly-home | fantastic1: yes. |
| 21:29.58 | Dan39 | crolab: why tho? |
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| 21:31.37 | fantastic1 | ok |
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| 21:32.06 | fantastic1 | got rsync running - can i now close or shutdown laptop and will it continue doing rsync |
| 21:32.14 | lucho | ?! |
| 21:32.18 | fantastic1 | @jelly-home |
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| 21:32.36 | Dan39 | crolab: ive never used rsync for lots of large files before, i just used it for backup up source code pretty much, so never had to worry about it not being finished by the time it ran again |
| 21:32.47 | jelly-home | fantastic1: close putty. Log back in again, type "screen -ls" to see if there's a "detached" screen session going on |
| 21:33.10 | lucho | fantastic1: where you are running rsync? |
| 21:33.42 | fantastic1 | @lucho what should i run instead |
| 21:33.43 | jelly-home | fantastic1: you can type "screen -r" to get back to that detached screen and see if rsync is still doing its thing |
| 21:35.17 | fantastic1 | screen -ls showed detached |
| 21:35.48 | fantastic1 | screen -r it was continueing - going to check again @jelly-home |
| 21:36.20 | jelly-home | and now you know to close putty, and run it again and get back to the process running inside screen |
| 21:36.45 | jelly-home | so you may as well close putty and shut down that laptop |
| 21:36.51 | Dan39 | you guys should just link him to an actual screen tutorial haha |
| 21:37.02 | jelly-home | I don't trust tutorials. |
| 21:37.21 | Dan39 | thats why you do the tutorial first yourself :P |
| 21:37.54 | fantastic1 | thanks @jelly-home |
| 21:38.05 | fantastic1 | and thanks to @Dan39 |
| 21:38.30 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 21:38.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 21:38.36 | fantastic1 | i sure need a step by step tutorial - video and electronic document step by step will be good |
| 21:38.55 | Dan39 | jelly-home: this is completely different |
| 21:38.57 | jelly-home | (factoid not really applicable here but) |
| 21:39.10 | Dan39 | jelly-home: we are not talking about a tutorial on how to set something up |
| 21:39.19 | Dan39 | we are talking about a tutorial for learning to use screen |
| 21:39.22 | Dan39 | its not setting anything up |
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| 21:39.31 | fantastic1 | not only screen |
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| 21:39.44 | fantastic1 | but leaning debian for dummys |
| 21:39.47 | Dan39 | for other things sure id say dont just follow the tutorial |
| 21:39.57 | jelly-home | fantastic1: get a copy of the Debian Handbook, perhaps |
| 21:40.07 | fantastic1 | will look it up |
| 21:40.08 | Dan39 | learn it yourself and youll grasp it much better |
| 21:40.21 | fantastic1 | ok dan39 |
| 21:40.29 | Dan39 | g2g tho peace |
| 21:40.33 | fantastic1 | maybe thereafter i can charge for my services lol |
| 21:41.09 | Dan39 | err maybe not |
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| 21:41.25 | jelly-home | sure, 5 more years of this and call yourself an expect |
| 21:41.30 | jelly-home | expeRt |
| 21:41.45 | Dan39 | jelly-home: theres some things that you just cant read the actual man page lol |
| 21:41.51 | jelly-home | LIES |
| 21:41.53 | Dan39 | i mean once you learn it a little, sure |
| 21:42.16 | fantastic1 | interesting to learn debian |
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| 21:44.14 | Dan39 | fantastic1: well your really learning gnu/*nix id say :P |
| 21:44.31 | fantastic1 | ok dan39 |
| 21:45.01 | Dan39 | most of the commands will work in most *nix distros |
| 21:46.05 | fantastic1 | thanks @jelly-home and @Dan39 |
| 21:47.02 | jelly-home | fantastic1: btw we don't use the @ sign to address people on irc, you can omit it |
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| 21:47.30 | fantastic1 | ok thanks once again jelly-home |
| 21:47.44 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 21:47.46 | Dan39 | where is that even from? |
| 21:47.52 | Dan39 | i noticed him doing that, its kinda annoying |
| 21:48.06 | jelly-home | twitter? some other social web thingy |
| 21:48.13 | Dan39 | o |
| 21:48.17 | Dan39 | never used twitter |
| 21:48.37 | Dan39 | ive read a couple things on twitter tho :P |
| 21:49.02 | fantastic1 | twitter -- dan39 cool if you reply to email ... :) |
| 21:49.11 | Dan39 | fantastic1: ? |
| 21:49.21 | fantastic1 | i need to go rest now cheers for now |
| 21:49.33 | Dan39 | fantastic1: what about email? |
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| 21:52.05 | Dan39 | o |
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| 21:52.10 | Dan39 | wrong window <_< |
| 21:52.11 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 21:53.23 | teclo- | hi there, hm I got a clean install of Debian "wheezy". Most of the stuff works, but alsaplayer won't play any sounds |
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| 21:54.04 | rhenani | I need urgent help, I have a bootable usb that I created using this instruccions: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/, So not my problem is that in the machine I want to boot it I installed a debian system from netnist image and it has nothing, not graphical interface nothing, how do I boot from my usb recently created on that machine? |
| 21:54.04 | teclo- | alsaplayer is stuck at 0:00/5:12 of the song |
| 21:54.36 | crolab | teclo-: try it with verbose in an xterm and see what errors your get |
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| 21:54.53 | crolab | teclo-: does alsamixer work |
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| 21:55.12 | teclo- | crolab: okay gonna do that |
| 21:55.15 | freestate1 | moin |
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| 21:58.25 | I440r | trying to remove gnome screensaver from a debian VM using syaptic package manager. when i mark gnome-screensaver for removal it also wants to remove gnome, gnome-accessibility, gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:58.26 | I440r | what gives? |
| 21:58.43 | teclo- | crolab: problem solved... actually, with Debian "wheezy", when you have differents apps running as different users in the same GUI session, only one app can play sound at any tiem |
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| 21:59.41 | I440r | how can i delete gnome screensaver without also removing the entire desktop environment? |
| 21:59.58 | I440r | and why does removing the screen saver even WANT to remove the entire desktop environment? |
| 22:00.52 | freestate1 | exit |
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| 22:09.06 | lucho | Bye! |
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| 22:11.40 | alecjw | hiya, i have a thing. i wonder if anyone could identify what its purpose is? it's an oil filled transformer, 220-250v secondaries, and an "SCR" tap. there's also a winding labelled "earthy" [sic] rated at 4v, 0.5A. one of the other windings is 0-4-6.3v, 4A. presumably that's for a cathode heater. the other winding is 4-0-2400V labelled "5mA DC for VD 25mA RMS" - i have no idea what that means at all |
| 22:12.29 | alecjw | sorry, 220-250V primaries even |
| 22:13.10 | babilen | alecjw: ##hardware sounds like a better channel |
| 22:13.27 | alecjw | oh, i assumed that was for computer hardware, thanks |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | a sound, earthy advice |
| 22:13.47 | alecjw | urgh sorry |
| 22:13.52 | alecjw | i thought i was in #electronics |
| 22:14.07 | alecjw | i need to learn to use my IRC client properly |
| 22:14.17 | crolab | teclo-: alsa and oss do that - pulse will allow more then one |
| 22:14.49 | jelly-home | crolab: multiple users at the same time are a bit unusual even for pulseaudio |
| 22:15.18 | jelly-home | (contrasted with multiple apps from a single user session) |
| 22:15.28 | teclo- | crolab: thanks but... pulseaudio is already installed... however maybe it isn't configured right |
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| 22:21.02 | teclo- | right now KDE Control Center says sounds are using phonon-backend-vlc |
| 22:22.39 | teclo- | other options are phonon-backend-gstreamer and phonon-backend-null |
| 22:23.23 | babilen | teclo-: I would much rather take a look at the configuration in "pavucontrol" |
| 22:23.51 | babilen | teclo-: But then I am not a KDE user and have no idea how that influences your sound configuration |
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| 22:25.00 | teclo- | babilen: thanks, ok, gonna aks kde folks how to access "pavucontrol" |
| 22:25.14 | babilen | teclo-: You just start it, but you have to install it first :) |
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| 22:27.59 | sstack_ | hello, I'm looking for a way to create a live usb with persistent and encrypted storage for user and maybe installed packages, I found live-build but it is different from lh_config and it seems to not have -e aes256, any hint on how to do that? thanks |
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| 22:29.34 | sacredchao | I am trying to get VirtuaBox working. I have the kernel modules loaded, and I am a member of the vboxusers group, but upon starting a VM it continues to freeze at 0% of the 1st step |
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| 22:36.21 | cactusbin | Hello, I am using pulseaudio and it stopped working after restarting my computer, without any apparent changes on my part |
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| 22:37.28 | cactusbin | Rhythmbox refuses to even play but wihout error and vlc will give me "[0xc95a18] pulse audio output error: overflow, flushing" |
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| 22:39.26 | acu | peace to all |
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| 22:42.58 | Aerosonic | Hey guys! I get an error 'your sytem has broken dependencies, this applicaion can not continye untill you fix it' |
| 22:44.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aerosonic -about bat |
| 22:44.29 | Aerosonic | babilen: ? |
| 22:44.53 | Aerosonic | >_> |
| 22:45.00 | Aerosonic | I tried installing chrome |
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| 22:45.39 | babilen | Aerosonic: You should have received a private message from our bot dpkg. That message contains further details on which information we need to help you and where to provide it |
| 22:45.54 | Aerosonic | Ah. |
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| 22:50.22 | bAndie9101 | f_king debootstrap. it cleared the whole target installation directory without a promp! |
| 22:50.35 | bAndie9101 | i just wanted a repair install |
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| 22:57.41 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 22:58.02 | pce | hi |
| 22:58.29 | rhenani | I am trying to ssh a machine here that is next to me that I just formated some minutes ago, and it has debian squeeze 6.5 very clean without graphical interface |
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| 22:58.45 | rhenani | I do: ssh nameofthemachine@ip |
| 22:59.02 | ompaul | rhenani: did you install an openssh-server on it? |
| 22:59.04 | babilen | rhenani: You want "ssh nameoftheUSER@IP" |
| 22:59.11 | ompaul | rhenani: also ssh ^^^ what he said |
| 22:59.28 | babilen | (installing and starting a SSH server won't hurt too) |
| 22:59.52 | rhenani | ompaul: I think so, because It asked me on the installation of the operatyig system debian squeeze to install it |
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| 23:00.32 | rhenani | ompaul: and I said yes, thought I haven't checked If it's installed on it, but when I ping to it, it does it perfectlyt |
| 23:00.39 | rhenani | babilen: Yes |
| 23:00.44 | Shoya | hmm how did i check for packages with dpkg? |
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| 23:00.56 | babilen | Shoya: What do you mean by "check" ? |
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| 23:01.18 | Shoya | i'm trying to make pcsx2 |
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| 23:01.31 | Shoya | and i want to grab the necessary libs and build systems |
| 23:01.44 | rhenani | It asks me for the password and when I type it, it says: Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes |
| 23:01.48 | rhenani | Warning: Permanently added '192.168.77.251' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 23:01.51 | rhenani | centerpoint@192.168.77.251's password: |
| 23:01.53 | ompaul | rhenani: that is good |
| 23:02.00 | ompaul | if centerpoint is a user |
| 23:02.01 | rhenani | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 23:02.07 | Shoya | paste.debian.net/219410/ this is what i need |
| 23:02.17 | ompaul | rhenani: is centrepoint a user or the machine name |
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| 23:02.47 | ompaul | rhenani: try ssh -C root@192.168.77.251 |
| 23:02.58 | Shoya | and i tried installing the build system, but it says http://paste.debian.net/219412/ |
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| 23:03.22 | themill | Shoya: why do you specifically want gcc-4.5? |
| 23:03.38 | rhenani | ompaul: Yes but on the terminal the user: is virtualmachine |
| 23:03.43 | themill | Shoya: (it is not available in any debian release) |
| 23:03.50 | Shoya | themill: that's what the guide for making pcsx2 says |
| 23:03.52 | Shoya | oh |
| 23:04.00 | Shoya | >.> well that's awkward... |
| 23:04.22 | rhenani | so I don't know, because debian on the installation asks you for a lot of names, I had to put the same in all of those fields :'( |
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| 23:04.30 | armistrar | I treated myself with a Lambo for christmas |
| 23:04.39 | ompaul | rhenani: you should read what babilen said - it was username@machine |
| 23:04.45 | armistrar | She just rolled into my garage today. |
| 23:04.47 | ompaul | rhenani: it asks for two usernames |
| 23:04.56 | reddolf | rhenani, it asks for a hostname, and one user name. |
| 23:04.57 | themill | Shoya: a requirement of a specific gcc version would be unusual |
| 23:05.07 | ompaul | root and one you make up |
| 23:05.09 | themill | armistrar: wrong channel? |
| 23:05.14 | Shoya | themill: so latest is 4.7? |
| 23:05.21 | Shoya | same with g++ |
| 23:05.24 | Shoya | ? |
| 23:05.38 | themill | Shoya: if you are running wheezy or sid, yes |
| 23:05.44 | rhenani | ompaul: I did what you told me and it says the same :?root@rhenani:~# ssh -C root@192.168.77.251 |
| 23:05.47 | rhenani | root@192.168.77.251's password: |
| 23:05.49 | rhenani | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 23:05.52 | rhenani | root@192.168.77.251's password: |
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| 23:06.16 | Shoya | themill: and the libraries all need to have :i386 appended, right? |
| 23:06.17 | ompaul | rhenani: it is a vm you can log into the vm? |
| 23:06.17 | rhenani | and I'm typing the right password :'( |
| 23:06.29 | ompaul | rhenani: no you are not, if you were it would work |
| 23:06.38 | themill | Shoya: are you trying to compile for i386 while being on an amd64 installation? |
| 23:06.42 | dvs | rhenani: ssh won't let you connect at root by default |
| 23:06.51 | themill | yes it will |
| 23:06.54 | ompaul | dvs: since when? |
| 23:07.01 | Shoya | themill: yeah, since it's not available on 64bit |
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| 23:07.02 | rhenani | ompaul: Not is a physical machine where I will install a graphical interface soon u.u, and I will use it for work |
| 23:07.27 | Shoya | they said to chroot, but then debian came with multiarch, so now they prefer to use that way |
| 23:07.31 | reddolf | dvs since when? |
| 23:07.37 | dvs | ompaul: Isn't there a AuthRoot option in the sshd.option file? (or am I thinking of something else) |
| 23:07.41 | rhenani | dvs: how is that, Is obvious, but explaint it to me please :(? |
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| 23:07.51 | ompaul | rhenani: what is your native language - because I did not understand what you said last |
| 23:08.08 | themill | Shoya: you may still need to use a chroot to compile -- not all libraries and header packages are multi-arch'd so you can't cross compile everything yet |
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| 23:09.06 | dvs | PermitRootLogin no |
| 23:09.10 | dvs | in sshd_config |
| 23:09.28 | Shoya | themill: and how do i go with that? |
| 23:09.56 | Shoya | themill: tried asking dpkg, but i think i'm wording it wrong |
| 23:10.07 | themill | Shoya: you'd use debootstrap to build yourself a chroot |
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| 23:10.24 | rhenani | ompaul: The computer, I'm trying to access is a physical desktop, that I just formatted, On the instalation it asked me to install ssh, and I accpeted, then I'm trying to access to it trhough ssh from this (my latop with debian squeeze 64 bits with all graphical, tools and utilities install - the one I use to work) to the one I just formatted |
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| 23:11.14 | ompaul | rhenani: on the keyboard of the box you just formatted and set up please log in |
| 23:11.16 | rhenani | ompaul: I have tried ssh from USA to other countries with a server for a web site, and I worked fine, but I don't understand if is that I am typing a wrong password or I am putting a wrong name |
| 23:11.21 | Jemt | Hi, I've added a bash script to /etc/cron.daily - but it doesn't seem to be running. At least not at 00:00 as expected. What file will reveal the execution time of .daily ? |
| 23:11.42 | reddolf | rhenani, did you create a user during the installation? |
| 23:11.57 | ompaul | rhenani: I do not have access to the machine so I can't tell you that, but please log in as root and we can do some stuff to work out what you have |
| 23:11.58 | rhenani | ompaul: Because If I certainly type different user names, I actually put one password to everything, root, username, so |
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| 23:12.07 | themill | Jemt: see /etc/crontab |
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| 23:12.15 | rhenani | reddolf: yes |
| 23:12.16 | Jemt | Never mind, /etc/crontab wasn't visible to me before - probably because I wasn't root |
| 23:12.17 | rhenani | ompaul: Ok |
| 23:12.18 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 23:12.23 | reddolf | What's the user, rhenani? |
| 23:12.24 | rhenani | ompaul: I'm as root |
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| 23:12.34 | themill | dvs: then you must have changed that yourself. That's not how debian ships the config file. |
| 23:12.39 | Jemt | Is it possible to force execution of a specific cronjob ? |
| 23:12.42 | ompaul | rhenani: ls /home |
| 23:12.46 | Jemt | (through the cron schedular) |
| 23:12.55 | ompaul | rhenani: whatever that tells you it is the username |
| 23:12.59 | Jemt | Executing the actual shell script will work, natually |
| 23:13.44 | ompaul | rhenani: now with that information on the laptop do this ssh -C username-as-found@ip-of-box |
| 23:13.53 | reddolf | why the -C? |
| 23:13.58 | thewanderer1 | Jemt, is the script +x ? also, /etc/crontab contains the definitions of daily cronjob group |
| 23:14.07 | ompaul | compression - works well in 99.99999% of cases |
| 23:14.13 | reddolf | Makes things slower. |
| 23:14.22 | ompaul | you think? |
| 23:14.26 | themill | Jemt: check the name you've given the script against run-parts(8) |
| 23:14.27 | reddolf | Of course. |
| 23:14.30 | ompaul | ok so you think that |
| 23:14.39 | Jemt | thewanderer1, it is (+x). It seems .daily runs at 6:25. So I think I will be settings up a custom job - I want it to run at 02:00 |
| 23:14.41 | ompaul | I'll put the last 20 years behind me and forget all I learnt |
| 23:14.42 | reddolf | Unless he's still using dialup. |
| 23:14.48 | reddolf | Not in LAN. |
| 23:14.50 | Shoya | themill: what do i have to put for me to get a 32 bit debootstrap? "debootstrap XXXX /tmp/blah " |
| 23:14.53 | Jemt | themill, Called it Jemt_Backup - should be alright |
| 23:15.00 | thewanderer1 | Jemt, yeah, go with your own entry to the crontab and you'll be fine |
| 23:15.06 | Shoya | something like wheezy:i386? |
| 23:15.09 | Jemt | Perfect, thanks |
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| 23:15.15 | ompaul | reddolf: I have a lan in several buildings and I do it everywhere |
| 23:15.31 | reddolf | Have you benchmarked it? |
| 23:15.47 | themill | Jemt: I'd be suspicious about the _ (without having checked the man page myself) |
| 23:15.48 | ompaul | no I have seen the login without -C being slow |
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| 23:16.10 | ompaul | and I could do better - use more effective crypt libs but I don't bother with that either |
| 23:16.11 | reddolf | Not the case. |
| 23:16.19 | themill | reddolf: can we leave it at "it depends" and move on now? Just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to argue. |
| 23:16.25 | rhenani | ompaul: It says I have the last version of openssh server |
| 23:16.34 | reddolf | We're talking, themill. What is your problem? |
| 23:16.44 | ompaul | reddolf: we aren't and it does depend |
| 23:16.45 | rhenani | ompaul: when I do ls /home it shows: "virtualmachine" |
| 23:16.52 | themill | reddolf: you seem to like to argue. It's not appreciated. |
| 23:16.58 | reddolf | themill, shush. |
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| 23:17.05 | themill | ok |
| 23:17.07 | Jemt | themill: Files must conform to the same naming convention as used by run-parts(8): they must consist solely of upper- and lower-case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens |
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| 23:17.11 | rhenani | ompaul: (don't think it is a virtual machine, I just put that name, because I am going to work with virtual machines in that machine |
| 23:17.17 | Jemt | I think I'm OK - but removing the underscore to make sure |
| 23:17.26 | rhenani | ompaul: root@rhenani:~# ssh -C virtualmachine@192.168.77.251 |
| 23:17.27 | rhenani | virtualmachine@192.168.77.251's password: |
| 23:17.27 | rhenani | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 23:17.47 | ompaul | rhenani: do you want to work with me or against me? |
| 23:17.57 | themill | Jemt: yeah, you should be ok with that name. |
| 23:18.16 | rhenani | ompaul: why do you say that? :) |
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| 23:18.36 | rhenani | ompaul: :( * |
| 23:18.38 | ompaul | rhenani: I ask a question I have very specific wants - ie an answer so I can work out the next stop |
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| 23:18.48 | rhenani | ompaul: OK |
| 23:19.12 | rhenani | ompaul: so I did: ls /home/ and it shows: "virtualmachine" |
| 23:19.27 | rhenani | ompaul: what do I do know? |
| 23:19.40 | ompaul | rhenani: so when you typed ls /home you saw nothing on the computer you are trying to log into, next I want you to type cd /home and ls because I suspect you are telling me the machine name |
| 23:20.09 | ompaul | you told me virtualmachine is a user but this I doubt |
| 23:21.09 | ompaul | rhenani: and the answer when you type cd /home and ls is? |
| 23:21.26 | rhenani | ompaul: after doing: cd /home/ then ls |
| 23:21.30 | sacredchao | This forum post says that in order to get VirtualBox to work, I have to compile the kernel module iwth gcc-4.6 and not gcc-4.7: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49409#p226341 |
| 23:21.35 | rhenani | it shows: "virtualmachine" |
| 23:21.46 | rhenani | ompaul: Now?, Do I cd to "virtualmachine"? |
| 23:21.53 | sacredchao | How do I go about using dkms to specifically use gcc-4.6 to compile the module? |
| 23:21.57 | ompaul | rhenani: please do so and then type pwd |
| 23:22.11 | rhenani | ompaul: ok |
| 23:22.12 | sacredchao | The only thing I can think of is changing the link /usr/bin/gcc to point to /usr/bin/gcc-4.6 |
| 23:22.12 | ompaul | rhenani: after that enter but I guess you know that |
| 23:22.22 | Shoya | i've a logitech gamepad and i want to set it up to work, but how do i go with that? i still have the installation disk for the gamepad |
| 23:22.31 | ompaul | ,versions virtualbox |
| 23:22.33 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.18-dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-1.1 |
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| 23:23.26 | rhenani | ompaul: Yes -_-, so I did: cd virtualmachine, then run pwd: and it shows: "/home/virtualmachine/ |
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| 23:24.19 | ompaul | rhenani: ok so you have a user called virtualmachine (not a great choice but hey) if you don't know virtualmachine's password you can reset it from where you are the command is passwd virtualmachine |
| 23:24.29 | ompaul | rhenani: beware of capslock |
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| 23:25.33 | rhenani | ompaul: Ok, But I do know the password, although I will reset it ok? |
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| 23:26.08 | Jemt | Hm, my cron job is not running. The log doesn't reveal any problems (/var/log/syslog) - any obvious problems with my entry in /etc/crontab? : 23 0 * * * root /home/jemt/Backup > /home/jemt/BackupResult |
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| 23:26.35 | ompaul | rhenani: well if you think you do you can type on that machine ssh virtualhost@localhost << exactly and see how you get on |
| 23:26.50 | Jemt | Should have run at 00:23. /home/jemt/Backup is a shell script (#!/bin/bash) that simply echos "Executed by cron" |
| 23:26.59 | Jemt | ... and then calls exit |
| 23:27.00 | rhenani | ompaul: and by the way am also as root right now in that machine, But now that I now I was typing the right username, I will reset the password as you request |
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| 23:27.25 | tyrmored | Jemt: does the syslog say it ran, or does it not mention it at all? |
| 23:27.39 | Jemt | tyrmored, not mentioned at all |
| 23:27.47 | rhenani | ompaul: OK do I run it on that machine or in mine right here? |
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| 23:28.23 | ompaul | rhenani: I have not told you to use the laptop yet - so on the desktop please |
| 23:28.35 | tyrmored | Jemt: was there less than a minute between the time you added the cron and the time you expected it to run? |
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| 23:28.51 | Jemt | tyrmored, yes - I'll try giving it 5 minutes then |
| 23:28.56 | tyrmored | that's probably it |
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| 23:29.10 | ompaul | rhenani: all this jumping the gun is what caused your issues in the first place none of this software is broken - it is just not setup the way you think it is |
| 23:29.19 | baegle | is there a way to get a list of installed packages and order them by package group? |
| 23:29.29 | rhenani | ompaul: so? |
| 23:29.35 | Jemt | tyrmored: thanks, hopefully that solves the problem :) |
| 23:29.36 | rhenani | ompaul: :(? |
| 23:29.41 | ompaul | rhenani: if you can't get it then I offer you that lack of access as evidence that the password is wrong |
| 23:29.42 | tyrmored | Jemt: you're welcome |
| 23:29.56 | ompaul | rhenani: if that is the case then you reset the password |
| 23:30.08 | rhenani | ompaul: Alright |
| 23:30.20 | ompaul | rhenani: please log in ssh virtualhost@localhost |
| 23:30.43 | rhenani | ompaul: Give again the comand please, just forgot it (don't think I am lazzy) and to be sure |
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| 23:31.05 | ompaul | rhenani: please log in ssh virtualhost@localhost |
| 23:31.17 | ompaul | rhenani: I'll be back in 2 mins or less |
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| 23:31.34 | rhenani | ompaul: D: don't let me. OK |
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| 23:34.21 | ompaul | rhenani: as discussed your password is wrong |
| 23:34.21 | sacredchao | How should I compile a dkms installed kernel module with gcc-4.6 (when default on my system is gcc-4.7) ? |
| 23:34.38 | ompaul | rhenani: on the left of the screen what is the prompt root@??? |
| 23:35.11 | Shoya | hmm |
| 23:35.15 | Shoya | i give up |
| 23:35.21 | Shoya | i can't make this gamepad work |
| 23:35.30 | rhenani | ompaul: I reseted the password as you requested |
| 23:35.40 | rhenani | ompaul: Do I try now to see if it works? |
| 23:35.51 | ompaul | rhenani: yes you try it |
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| 23:36.05 | rhenani | ompaul: root@rhenani:~# ssh -C virtualmachine@192.168.77.251 |
| 23:36.05 | rhenani | virtualmachine@192.168.77.251's password: |
| 23:36.05 | rhenani | Permission denied, please try again. |
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| 23:36.25 | ompaul | rhenani: why are you on the laptop? |
| 23:36.28 | rhenani | omnapaul: :'( |
| 23:36.30 | rhenani | ompaul: Yes |
| 23:36.35 | ompaul | not are you |
| 23:36.39 | ompaul | why are you? |
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| 23:37.04 | rhenani | ompaul: Ok so tell me what do I run on the desktop machine? |
| 23:37.05 | ompaul | rhenani: I didn't tell you to use it? |
| 23:37.16 | ompaul | rhenani: everything on it until I tell ya |
| 23:37.18 | rhenani | ompaul: ssh virtualhost@localhost? |
| 23:37.27 | ompaul | yes |
| 23:37.45 | rhenani | ompaul: ssh virtualhost@localhost - exatcly as it is typed? |
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| 23:38.38 | ompaul | ssh virtualhost@localhost <<<< that exactly |
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| 23:39.28 | rhenani | ompaul: ok when I type: ssh virtualhost@localhost (without changing anything). it asks me for a password |
| 23:39.44 | ompaul | rhenani: the password you just changed it to on the box? |
| 23:39.55 | ompaul | rhenani: this is expected |
| 23:39.56 | rhenani | ompaul: ok |
| 23:40.30 | rhenani | ompaul: shitttttttttttt ( and sorry for the word), It says permission denied |
| 23:40.45 | rhenani | ompaul: :@ |
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| 23:41.26 | ompaul | rhenani: and you changed passwords on the desktop? |
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| 23:41.54 | jhutchins_wk | for the virtualhost account? |
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| 23:42.22 | rhenani | ompau: yes to the same one I have and it says styll permission denied?, do you want me to try to shh from the desktop machine to mine( this one) to see what happens? |
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| 23:42.37 | rhenani | ompaul: to the same one I had * |
| 23:43.05 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.07 | ompaul | WOPS |
| 23:43.08 | ompaul | NO |
| 23:43.20 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: no caps lock and a woops and a no |
| 23:43.29 | ompaul | it is not supposed to be |
| 23:43.54 | ompaul | rhenani: no I do not want you to do anything other than IRC on the laptop until I tell you to |
| 23:44.12 | ompaul | rhenani: apt-get install openssh-server <<<please |
| 23:44.32 | rhenani | I run: ssh virtualhost@localhost on the desktop (exactly like that with out chaning or putting anything) or do I have to put my ip or something? , it asked me for a password, I typed the new password I reset ( which was the same I had.. or that I thought I had), and it says permisison denied |
| 23:44.47 | rhenani | ompaul: when I run it on the desktop it says I have the most recent version |
| 23:44.52 | Rotgut_ | Is anyone here expert on UEFI? I bought a new laptop that has UEFI and installed Debian on it, but now it seems I can't access BIOS/UEFI anymore. Apparently I need Windows to access it. Is there any other way to get to BIOS than installing Windows? |
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| 23:46.01 | rhenani | ompaul: but It shows another package which I don't know I have: "open-sshclient" |
| 23:46.13 | rhenani | ompaul: do you want me to try to download it? |
| 23:46.15 | ompaul | rhenani: I don't care at this point about the laptop, please don't mention it again until we mention it here |
| 23:46.28 | rhenani | ompaul: Ok |
| 23:46.35 | ompaul | rhenani: no I want you to type apt-get install openssh-server please |
| 23:46.43 | ompaul | if it says it wants to install something install it |
| 23:47.23 | rhenani | ompaul: But again don't get angry, I am not talking about the laptop, the desktop says that already has "openssh-server installed" |
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| 23:47.49 | rhenani | ompaul: now what do I do now knoing that has openssh-server already installed (the desktop) |
| 23:47.50 | ompaul | rhenani: ok |
| 23:48.03 | ompaul | rhenani: you type this su - virtualhost |
| 23:48.11 | rhenani | ok |
| 23:48.16 | rhenani | exaclty like that? |
| 23:48.36 | Shoya | question, what should i put in debootstrap in order to get an endresult of a 32-bit Wheezy |
| 23:48.43 | gnul0ver | the net install is much quicker |
| 23:48.45 | gnul0ver | :) |
| 23:49.00 | Shoya | main idea was "debootstrap Wheezy:i386 /tmp/blah " |
| 23:49.06 | gnul0ver | now i can install the packages I want |
| 23:49.13 | themill | Shoya: debootstrap takes an --arch option. |
| 23:49.29 | themill | (sorry, I got distracted from helping people by other crap) |
| 23:49.33 | rhenani | ok |
| 23:49.46 | rhenani | ompaul: When I did: su - 192.168.77.251 |
| 23:50.05 | rhenani | it says: id desconocido 192.168.77.251 |
| 23:50.16 | Shoya | themill: it's ok, so i have to put like "debootstrap Wheezy --arch=i386 /tmp/blah " ? |
| 23:50.18 | themill | wonders if "user" and "host" are mixed up in rhenani's thoughts |
| 23:50.40 | babilen | themill: I am sure that they are |
| 23:51.01 | Shoya | wonders if he's ever going to be able to use the logitech rumble gamepad f510 he bought in linux |
| 23:51.03 | ompaul | themill: I think they are |
| 23:51.04 | themill | Shoya: the debootstrap man page has god examples. You want a lower case "wheezy" and I'd expect that the options need to come first |
| 23:51.11 | ompaul | I don't think he has a user on that box |
| 23:51.13 | rhenani | ompaul: (I got the ip from running ifconfig on the desktop) |
| 23:51.30 | ompaul | what does desconocido mean |
| 23:51.39 | Shoya | themill: man i missed the most silly things hehe |
| 23:51.48 | Shoya | ompaul: if it's spanish it means unknown |
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| 23:52.10 | rhenani | ompaul: Ohhhh sorryyyyy hahahahahahhaha |
| 23:52.14 | ompaul | rhenani: so you typed su - virtualhost |
| 23:52.16 | rhenani | ompaul: I forgot it was in spanish |
| 23:52.17 | ompaul | and you got that |
| 23:52.54 | rhenani | ompaul: unkwnoun id 192.168.77.251 |
| 23:53.03 | ompaul | hang on |
| 23:53.11 | rhenani | ompaul: ok |
| 23:53.20 | ompaul | rhenani: I asked you to type su - virtualhost |
| 23:53.26 | ompaul | not an ip address |
| 23:53.48 | rhenani | ompaul: OK |
| 23:53.51 | rhenani | ompaul: HOld on |
| 23:54.28 | rhenani | ompaul: it says: unkwoun id: virtualhost |
| 23:54.47 | rhenani | ompaul: Did you actually mean: su - "virtualmachinehost"? |
| 23:54.59 | ompaul | rhenani: if that is the name then yes |
| 23:55.05 | rhenani | ok |
| 23:55.30 | ompaul | rhenani: and those ssh commands they should have that too |
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| 23:55.57 | rhenani | ompaul: I thought you knew, I sent you the name -_- |
| 23:56.06 | rhenani | ompaul: Ok when I typed: su - virtualmachinehost |
| 23:56.14 | rhenani | it says: no such a file or directory |
| 23:56.23 | rhenani | ompaul: so what does that mean? |
| 23:56.24 | ompaul | rhenani: so that is not a user name |
| 23:56.42 | rhenani | ompaul: so? what is it? |
| 23:56.51 | ompaul | rhenani: most likely the machine name |
| 23:56.54 | ompaul | they are different |
| 23:57.03 | rhenani | ompaul: I don't understand (and sorry for that) |
| 23:57.22 | rhenani | ok do you want me to try su - "centerponithost" maybe? |
| 23:57.29 | ompaul | why not |
| 23:57.30 | rhenani | ompaul: then? |
| 23:57.37 | ompaul | please try it |
| 23:57.39 | rhenani | ok |
| 23:59.11 | ompaul | rhenani: did that work? |
| 23:59.25 | ompaul | and no " I hope |
| 23:59.26 | rhenani | ompaul: nothing |
| 23:59.32 | rhenani | ompaul: no |
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| 23:59.38 | rhenani | ompaul: I'll make it easy for you |
| 23:59.45 | ompaul | rhenani: type id |
