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| 00:51.37 | |thunder | !triggers |
| 00:51.37 | dpkg | triggers are so mIRCish |
| 00:51.44 | |thunder | !help |
| 00:51.53 | themill | |thunder: try asking us a question |
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| 00:52.17 | |thunder | Im loking for a guide to installing the latest backport kernel on squeeze |
| 00:52.36 | |thunder | can't seem to find a good one |
| 00:52.41 | themill | dpkg: tell |thunder about bpo kernel |
| 00:52.50 | |thunder | ty |
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| 00:55.52 | abrotman | |thunder: there are instructions on the backports website |
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| 00:57.26 | netw1z | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.30 | nevyn | I do but I don't use stable |
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| 01:05.21 | netw1z | stable it doesnt work, beta it works? |
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| 01:06.19 | cyanboy | Hi! Anyone who has any experience with triple booting windows, os x and debian on a macbook pro? |
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| 01:10.20 | nevyn | netw1z: well I don't know that it doesn't work on stable |
| 01:10.34 | nevyn | I have it working on my laptop with sid. |
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| 01:11.41 | netw1z | Hi Nevyn, cool, I'm on wheezy on a raspPI trying to get it working, but the documentation is sparse |
| 01:12.08 | netw1z | i have playing audio out of the headphone, but capturing audio is being resistant |
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| 01:14.04 | nevyn | hrm... I need to check the source ... which I can't do until I get home. |
| 01:14.12 | nevyn | I know a2dp is definitly working |
| 01:14.15 | nevyn | with pulse |
| 01:15.09 | nevyn | I think I used it with skype but need to verify |
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| 01:15.27 | netw1z | i wasnt using pulse or X, only on the commandline at the moment, but i def would appretiate if u peeked at ur config |
| 01:15.50 | nevyn | netw1z: so I had to do some manual BT poking via dbus to get it going. |
| 01:18.44 | netw1z | nice! im probeing around now hoping to get it going |
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| 01:19.00 | dvs | O_O |
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| 01:34.24 | crolab | 9/20 |
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| 01:35.45 | dvs | no, 8:35 |
| 01:35.54 | Towzzer | i give him a 5/20 |
| 01:35.58 | Towzzer | because the landing was faulty |
| 01:36.26 | dvs | wishes it was 4/20 |
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| 02:00.11 | rue_house | popularity votes? tftpd vs atftpd vs tftpd-hpa ? |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | the one that works? |
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| 02:01.31 | rue_house | I'm sure from the point of view of the coder, they all work |
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| 02:01.45 | rue_house | I want one that I can make without having written the source |
| 02:01.57 | rue_house | (otherwise I could just write my own, right?) |
| 02:02.34 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: not sure what you mean by that; tftpd servers are pretty straightforwward |
| 02:02.58 | rue_house | some people say that about emacs too |
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| 02:05.06 | crolab | proftpd is very straightforward |
| 02:05.27 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: I'm personally using tftpd, but it really shouldn't matter which one you use. Pick one that you like |
| 02:05.31 | silvertip257 | Anybody in here ever netbooted via a Debian NFS root on a Cobalt Raq (x86) ? |
| 02:05.33 | rue_house | this is for reflashing a wrt54g right now, maybe voip phones later |
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| 02:05.51 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: for reflashing, you don't actually need tftpd. |
| 02:06.02 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: you can just use tftp to do that |
| 02:06.25 | rue_house | the wrt54g dosn't run linux yet |
| 02:06.32 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: doesn't matter |
| 02:06.38 | Towzzer | silvertip, I have done netbooting in general |
| 02:06.41 | Towzzer | with a nfs root |
| 02:07.01 | rue_house | dondelelcaro, do you mean the client can do a server mode? |
| 02:07.23 | d_nuke | just use smgfs |
| 02:07.24 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: it doesn't need to; WRT54g can be flashed by tftp in early boot |
| 02:07.51 | rue_house | tftp is just client..? |
| 02:08.05 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: yes, it's just a client, but in this case, it doesn't really matter. |
| 02:08.15 | rue_house | o |
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| 02:08.30 | dondelelcaro | rue_house: this is documented on the ddwrt and openwrt wikis pretty well |
| 02:08.35 | Towzzer | the next server directive sometimes doesn't work with certain network cards if the server it's being directed to is not the dhcp server |
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| 02:08.38 | Towzzer | that is , the local server |
| 02:08.50 | Towzzer | little bug on realtek cards that took me 2 weeks to figure out |
| 02:08.53 | Towzzer | why they would hang on boot |
| 02:09.26 | silvertip257 | never heard of that one... |
| 02:10.01 | Towzzer | one time I decided to switch the dhcp server to another machine then the one hosting the boot files |
| 02:10.09 | Towzzer | so I changed the next-server directive to that server |
| 02:10.21 | Towzzer | half the time the cards wouldn't boot |
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| 02:12.29 | crolab | /c/3 |
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| 02:24.01 | rhenani | Hello guys I just installed vmware workstation 9.1 on my 64 bit Debian Squezn Machine, using a .bundle file extension |
| 02:24.41 | rhenani | I did not have problems with the version 8.0 but now, when I turn on my virtual machines they show this error: |
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| 02:29.29 | jgiorgi | is there a way to fix the instabilities of the broadcom low power driver? after install it eventually starts disconnecting the network, with use the disconnects become more frequent until it's almost instantly after connect |
| 02:29.57 | jgiorgi | if there isnt a way to fix it is there a way to reset it so i can work with it without reinstalling the entire os? |
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| 02:34.36 | Devastator | jgiorgi see known issues: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 02:36.06 | Lewoco | I would like to rsync some files from a remote machine using ssh that are only accessible as root but sshd doesn't allow logins from root. Is there some way to make rsync log in using a regular user and then 'sudo su' before trying to access the files? |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | you can change the sshd_config |
| 02:36.56 | Lewoco | abrotman, For security I'd prefer not to do that. |
| 02:37.07 | Lewoco | abrotman, If there is some other way. |
| 02:37.50 | Lewoco | maybe I can create a wrapper script that does the sudo su and use that as the shell |
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| 02:39.33 | Towzzer | you can create a script on the remote machine that does sudo |
| 02:39.55 | Towzzer | oh nm |
| 02:44.08 | jgiorgi | Devastator: thanks, seems i need to install some packages but i cant stay connected worth a damn, is there any way to get it working temporarily, right after install it seems to work great but then breakdown, if i could have a stable connection for 2 minutes i could fix this |
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| 02:45.15 | Devastator | jgiorgi can't you connect wired for now? |
| 02:45.40 | jgiorgi | Devastator: no wired network available, it's off my phone's wifi hotspot |
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| 02:46.56 | Devastator | jgiorgi hum.. can't your phone act as 3G modem or something? then you can use as a ppp connection |
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| 02:47.21 | LV-426 | Lewoco, I think a better solution would include rsyncd and a dedicated gid with read only permission for those files |
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| 02:48.51 | jgiorgi | Devastator: nice idea, worked, but unfortunately it seems my device doesnt support setting the power mode, fails using iwconfig and laptop-mode-tools |
| 02:49.54 | Lewoco | LV-426, I had a look at rsyncd but I didn't like that it has it's own database of users so I'd rather do it over ssh. |
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| 02:51.16 | Devastator | jgiorgi then I don't know.. which chip is that? |
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| 02:53.23 | LV-426 | Lewoco, I use it with RSYNC_CONNECT_PROG='ssh srv nc 127.0.0.1 873'; which has it's internal db play a much less significant role, as you can have it only listen on localhost, with ssh managing auth |
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| 03:03.03 | thorie | is there something in debian that automatically resets my iptables configuration after X number of minutes? i keep manually setting my config, and it sticks for a few mintues, then reverts back to what it was - any way to turn that off? |
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| 03:06.48 | Devastator | thorie how do you set it? |
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| 03:12.11 | nvz | what has to be done for me to be able to ssh into this other machine next to me and run an xclient on that machine using its already running X server localhost:0.0 to display it? |
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| 03:14.19 | thorie | Devastator: iptables-restore < iptables.rules |
| 03:14.44 | thorie | Devastator: it works for a few min (iptables --list -v) and without touching anything else, will revert itself again |
| 03:15.25 | Devastator | thorie see if you can download iptables-persistent |
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| 03:18.36 | nvz | problem is I can kill vlc on the other machine from ssh but cant get it to start back up |
| 03:18.49 | thorie | ok installed |
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| 03:19.01 | gnarface | nvz: i think that's what happens by default if there is already an X server running on the remote system. you mean NOT x11 forwarding over ssh right? maybe try setting DISPLAY to localhost:0.0 explicitly |
| 03:19.07 | nvz | using ssh -X just makes it run clients locally on my machine, an exporting the display and using xauth just doesnt seem to work |
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| 03:19.27 | atomfire | hey everyone. I just started getting this error when I run apt-get upgrade in debian wheezy: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package `bsdutils' contains empty filename |
| 03:19.41 | nvz | gnarface: yes what I most often want to do is just something like start a movie.. which I can control vlc remotely using its http interface but only if its already running |
| 03:20.14 | atomfire | how is that possible? It doesn't look like a good idea to apt-get remove bsdutils and reinstall it. any ideas? |
| 03:20.33 | nvz | and no, even using xauth and exporting the display like you would to run an xclient from say tty, it still says it cannot connect |
| 03:20.56 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 03:21.02 | nvz | for some reason you cant seem to get an xclient to run remotely when in ssh, using ssh x forwarding makes it run on your local box not the remote one |
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| 03:21.33 | gnarface | nvz: maybe xhost +[something] needs to be called first? |
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| 03:21.59 | gnarface | xhost +[your ip] i think |
| 03:22.11 | gnarface | or maybe localhost in this case |
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| 03:22.24 | gnarface | nvz: you're trying to start vlc as the same user X is running as, right? |
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| 03:23.49 | nvz | gnarface: well yeah.. the user logged in on gdm |
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| 03:25.38 | thorie | Devastator: ok it still reverts itself automatically after a min or two |
| 03:25.46 | ddalton | hey guys, I have an amplifier and am looking to get an auxiliary bluetooth receiver, so I can connect my debian machine and android device and play audio through the amp over bluetooth. Is it likely debian will support something like this? |
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| 03:26.40 | Devastator | thorie what release? squeeze? fresh install? give a little background, please |
| 03:28.38 | LV-426 | nvz, perhaps this can help http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10121/open-a-window-on-a-remote-x-display-why-cannot-open-display |
| 03:29.36 | atomfire | I'm still getting an unrecoverable fatal dpkg error when I run apt-get upgrade. I ran apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove, and apt-get install bsdutils --reinstall and no luck. Here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/2rtiBkme |
| 03:29.45 | thorie | im not sure... |
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| 03:33.01 | thorie | cat /etc/debian_version shows "6.0.4" |
| 03:33.08 | dvs | atomfire: You're not suppose to be using ftp.debian.org. Use http.debian.net instead |
| 03:33.22 | atomfire | dvs: thank you! |
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| 03:40.33 | dvs | smash! |
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| 03:58.10 | FunkyELF | I'm trying to use vim but I don't get syntax highlighting.... is there a package I need to install? |
| 03:58.27 | mmnicolas | wow.. I was just thinking about Hulk |
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| 04:11.07 | FunkyELF | abrotman: sorry... was away |
| 04:11.09 | FunkyELF | yes it is back on |
| 04:11.19 | FunkyELF | I can ping the original raspberrypi but not the new name rpi1 |
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| 04:17.20 | jerryzhou | hi |
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| 04:38.16 | CoolGuy99 | Hey, total noob here. I just installed Debian for the first time, Debian 6.0.6. with gnome. When I boot into it, I get a terminal rather than any sort of gnome gui. How do I get out of the terminal and into a gui? |
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| 04:42.26 | CoolGuy99 | anyone here? |
| 04:43.50 | jerryzhou | yeah |
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| 04:44.03 | jerryzhou | startx |
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| 04:46.06 | philipp_ | someone knows where seehorse stores the private keys? |
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| 04:47.26 | philipp_ | why is it so silent here? is there any problems in the open source community im not aware of? |
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| 04:47.55 | dvs | philipp_: Not if people enter the channel and just say "hello" |
| 04:48.38 | philipp_ | i usually skip that cause it interrupts the workflow here... but hello =) |
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| 04:51.50 | thorie | im trying to fix a problem with iptables but not getting anywhere |
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| 04:52.17 | legitnick | post iptables -nvL |
| 04:53.12 | thorie | the problem is that iptables keeps blanking out |
| 04:53.37 | thorie | i set it with iptables-restore, then it works for a min or two, then blanks out all my settings again |
| 04:53.56 | thorie | it's like there's some process clearing it or resetting it automatically |
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| 05:29.37 | d4rkh4nd | Anyone able to explane kdialog --password, I dont see anyway to use it later in a script |
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| 05:33.37 | rudi_s | thorie: Check crontab entries /etc/cron* and /var/spool/cron/crontabs/. Shouldn't happen on a default Debian setup. |
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| 05:38.45 | thorie | i stopped a bunch of init.d processes like "networking" and something did the trick... it's not resetting anymore |
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| 06:28.33 | Vasistha | I can look at the requirements of a .deb with dpkg -I, is there any way to automatically evaluate whether dependencies/conflicts are met, and if not, figure out what they are? |
| 06:29.41 | lasers | Vasistha: gdebi |
| 06:29.49 | Vasistha | thanks! |
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| 06:33.08 | Vasistha | lasers: uh, how does this work? manpage is kinda scant, I don't see any option for what I'm looking for |
| 06:33.35 | Vasistha | it looks like it's just a wrapper for apt-get |
| 06:33.54 | Vasistha | maybe those features are only available in graphical mode? |
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| 06:34.34 | mmnicolas | apt-cache show |
| 06:34.45 | lasers | Vasistha: Ah, evaulate whenever dependencies/conflicts are met. I'm not sure about that. However "sudo gdebi google-chrome-latest-amd64.deb" will check/install dependencies automatically for me. |
| 06:35.06 | Vasistha | lasers: I don't want to install yet, I only want to check dependencies |
| 06:35.28 | lasers | Vasistha: Yes, I misread your question the first time around and gave you gdebi. |
| 06:35.40 | Vasistha | ah you got it :P |
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| 06:39.49 | rkhshm | I would like to know how to debug kernel issues or figure out a fix to the errors i see in dmesg.so far I"m only familiar with userland debugging (from solaris world) and used dbx extensively ... But never worked with linux kernel .. any advices please? |
| 06:40.04 | rkhshm | Any tutorials or anything that i can start with would be really helpful |
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| 06:42.48 | Vasistha | rkhshm: As great as self-help is, perhaps it's appropriate to share the particular problem you're having? |
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| 06:49.09 | rkhshm | Vasistha: http://pastie.org/private/oaho41ndhejv5lsfefrsa |
| 06:49.22 | rkhshm | Vasistha: I've explained my whole problem. please take a look at it.. |
| 06:50.47 | Vasistha | rkhshm: maybe you want to mount /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sdb ? |
| 06:51.18 | rkhshm | Vasistha: yes but there is no sdb1 or sdb2 partitions |
| 06:51.22 | rkhshm | its the whole disk |
| 06:52.09 | Vasistha | rkhshm: hum. does it make sense to try doing it with a partition? |
| 06:52.38 | rkhshm | it should.. let me try and get back to you and see if it even creates a partition... |
| 06:52.42 | rkhshm | one moment please.. |
| 06:52.49 | Vasistha | rkhshm: I mean ... who knows maybe it won't make a difference, but maybe you're running across a weird bug |
| 06:53.14 | Vasistha | rkhshm: also I usually use cfdisk, it's much more user-friendly (although not as powerful, if you're comfortable with fdisk then that may be better) |
| 06:53.14 | rkhshm | let me check that out. |
| 06:53.30 | rkhshm | i'm quite comfy with fdisk |
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| 06:59.39 | rkhshm | Vasistha: it doesn't seem to work.. I created an extended partition on sdb used the 'w' to write changes and everything worked fine (that's what it says..) but still there are no partitions |
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| 06:59.46 | lasers | mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb ? Also, what did fdisk say? |
| 07:00.15 | rkhshm | lasers: that's what I've already done and pasted the output here http://pastie.org/private/oaho41ndhejv5lsfefrsa |
| 07:00.18 | Vasistha | rkhshm: so you're saying that after creating the partition, you cannot see the partition? |
| 07:00.23 | rkhshm | please take a look at the complete flow |
| 07:00.27 | rkhshm | Vasistha: yes |
| 07:00.49 | lasers | mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb or mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 07:01.23 | Vasistha | rkhshm: do you have that simple workflow for just creating the /dev/sdb1 partition in fdisk and trying to see it? |
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| 07:01.43 | Vasistha | rkhshm: because if you can't do that then ... obviously there's a problem there |
| 07:02.12 | rkhshm | fdisk /dev/sdb ; choose 'n' ; choose primary/extended ; choose 'w' to write changes.. |
| 07:02.26 | rkhshm | one sec will paste output |
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| 07:06.44 | Vasistha | rkhshm: and then also show us what 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' shows after that |
| 07:07.41 | Bichito | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.00 | rkhshm | Vasistha: i dont understand this... Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
| 07:08.00 | rkhshm | Command (m for help): p |
| 07:08.00 | rkhshm | Disk /dev/sdb: 300.1 GB, 300101401088 bytes |
| 07:08.00 | rkhshm | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36485 cylinders, total 586135549 sectors |
| 07:08.00 | rkhshm | Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
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| 07:08.25 | rkhshm | sorry got kicked out |
| 07:08.41 | rkhshm | Vasistha: I dont understand this... http://pastie.org/private/end5evjeec2ivbgu7ql60w |
| 07:08.53 | rkhshm | the partition is listed but when i rerun fdisk i dont see anyting. |
| 07:09.16 | rkhshm | which means the write is not happening I guess... |
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| 07:11.12 | rkhshm | any ideas guys? |
| 07:11.44 | lasers | rkhshm: mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb1, not mkfs -t ext4 /dev/sdb |
| 07:12.21 | Vasistha | rkhshm: why don't you try creating primary partition 1 instead of extended partition 2? just to be, you know, some kind of conformist |
| 07:13.08 | rkhshm | Vasistha: i tried that earlier and it failed so i created extended ;) |
| 07:13.41 | Vasistha | rkhshm: similar errors with this invalid flag, you write it and then the changes don't show up? |
| 07:14.03 | Vasistha | rkhshm: ... in any case the problem is obviously here and is unrelated to mkfs / mount |
| 07:14.08 | rkhshm | lasers: like i said , there is no /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb2 or any such device |
| 07:14.13 | rkhshm | being registered at all... |
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| 07:14.56 | rkhshm | correct.. |
| 07:15.05 | Vasistha | rkhshm: would it be worthwhile to just try a different partitioning tool? maybe fdisk has some weird bug? |
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| 07:15.21 | rkhshm | Vasistha: and to add to the doubts.. the write ops is failing only under XEN while this driver is working fine without XEN |
| 07:15.23 | Vasistha | I mean I doubt it ... but who knows, it can't hurt to try right? |
| 07:15.40 | Vasistha | okay, I have no idea what XEN is so I'm way out of the water here |
| 07:16.12 | rkhshm | Vasistha: what other tool.. i dont know any otehr too |
| 07:16.21 | Vasistha | xen hypervisor? Is that some kind of hardware-sharing kernel? |
| 07:16.34 | rkhshm | yes |
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| 07:17.18 | Vasistha | rkhshm: http://www.linuxmantra.com/2010/07/fdisk-vs-cfdisk-vs-sfdisk.html |
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| 07:17.49 | Vasistha | someone commented, cfdisk is much more rigourous than fdisk when it comes to partition table correctness and will bail if things are off. This can be a double-edged sword as fdisk will read some tables that cfdisk will refuse, but fdisk won't necessarily write them properly either. |
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| 07:18.46 | Vasistha | okay, so seems like that comment I noted is relevant - cfdisk is more rigorous and will bail; fdisk will read those tables but will not necessarily write them properly |
| 07:19.04 | Vasistha | I have never used sfdisk but if I was going to this would be the scenario :) |
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| 07:20.03 | Vasistha | rkhshm: oh, I'm not sure if parted can do this? worth checking out also |
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| 07:21.58 | rkhshm | i manually did a cfdisk /dev/sdb and did a write ;; even after that i dont see anything |
| 07:22.22 | rkhshm | so my guess about it not having any write support is kinda working out... |
| 07:22.40 | Vasistha | rkhshm: you mean cfdisk or the device? |
| 07:23.09 | Vasistha | rkhshm: IMO it looks like the device has a problematic partition table that fdisk and cfdisk are unable to deal with. I think you should try another tool, like parted or sfdisk |
| 07:24.15 | rkhshm | Vasistha: yes i mean cfdisk on the device |
| 07:24.38 | rkhshm | Vasistha: also i'm rebooting the test machine and getting out of XEN .. I believe all the writes are working perfectly there ... |
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| 07:24.52 | rkhshm | let me clarify that and get back to you guys.. please give me sometime |
| 07:25.00 | rkhshm | (But stay online) :) |
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| 07:25.40 | lasers | I formatted usb stick here with ext4. Works fine. I think it's a PEKBAC issue. |
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| 07:35.03 | Vasistha | lasers: have you been monitoring what he's been doing? fdisk is throwing weird errors. |
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| 07:37.56 | homes | i'm confused. debian stable, bpo 3.2 linux, blockdev --getro /dev/sdb1 == 0, mount|grep sdb1 == ntfs (rw), can read the FS fine but writes get "Operation not permitted", nothing odd in kernel log buffer |
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| 07:41.00 | rkhshm | Vasistha: ok i confirmed that everything is working in a non XEN environment... I"m able to use format to create the partitions and its visible as well.. http://pastie.org/private/euqvqg3iu1knttyjfj0pg |
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| 07:41.36 | homes | does the kernel ntfs driver not support rw? why did it say it mounted rw :( |
| 07:42.30 | Vasistha | rkhshm: so ... maybe there is some bug with fdisk running in xen? Are you able to proceed at this point, or do you need to figure out why it doesn't work in xen? |
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| 07:42.39 | Vasistha | homes: maybe a permissions error? |
| 07:42.46 | Vasistha | homes: did you try as root? |
| 07:42.54 | rkhshm | i'm running as root |
| 07:43.01 | homes | Vasistha: as root, yeah, |
| 07:43.02 | Vasistha | rkhshm: that was for homes |
| 07:43.10 | rkhshm | oh sorry |
| 07:43.21 | Vasistha | homes: and maybe you want ntfs-3g or whatever it's called? |
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| 07:43.35 | homes | Vasistha: yeah...will use that now |
| 07:43.38 | rkhshm | Vasistha: its unlikely fdisk has issues i guess i need to knock on #XEN and ask them a few questions |
| 07:44.00 | homes | ntfs-3g seems to work fine |
| 07:44.11 | Vasistha | rkhshm: right, something to do with how xen is presenting the device to fdisk |
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| 08:05.55 | Corin | Quick question. I looked on the wiki, but don't see the AR5B95 on the list of supported devices for the Ath5k and Ath9k wifi drivers. Does anyone know if it works with one of them? |
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| 08:27.49 | subb1 | Hi all.. |
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| 08:29.03 | subb1 | I've set logrotate for some files to be done every 1 week. Well in addition to this config if I mention the 'size' option as 1G, would those files be rotated even if the 1 week time limit has not reached? |
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| 09:00.57 | viking667 | quick question - how would I get emacs24? |
| 09:01.06 | viking667 | I'm on wheezy now |
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| 09:12.31 | Vasistha | subb1: channel is much more active during usa business hours |
| 09:12.52 | subb1 | Vasistha, oh ok |
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| 09:15.24 | Vasistha | !tell viking667 about why is emacs24 not in testing |
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| 09:15.35 | Vasistha | !tell viking667 about simple sid backport |
| 09:16.41 | Vasistha | viking667: that said, since I guess emacs24 depends on gtk stuff, it may be not be possible to make it work if sid has gone on to a later gtk |
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| 09:21.55 | viking667 | heh. And I'm on Wheezy anyhow. |
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| 09:26.27 | SiDz | !tell SiDz about simple sid backport |
| 09:26.49 | ikla | W: GPG error: http://node-stor squeeze/updates Release: the following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED |
| 09:26.52 | ikla | 4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:26.59 | ikla | how do I fix that error on my local repo |
| 09:27.30 | ikla | thats from my server trying to update |
| 09:29.31 | viking667 | uhm, is wheezy known as "unstable"? |
| 09:29.41 | viking667 | or does that moniker belong permanently to sid? |
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| 09:31.20 | webchatuser | viking667: wheezy will be the next stable release. Until then it is "testing". |
| 09:31.51 | matt8686 | One company wrote to me "Please also note that even if the same password is used, the MD5 algorythm will produce a different hash, and so comparing them is |
| 09:31.51 | matt8686 | useless." Am I correct that this is true only in case salt is used? |
| 09:32.03 | webchatuser | viking667: http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:32.13 | stockholm | matt8686: yes |
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| 09:32.33 | matt8686 | stockholm, ok, thanks! |
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| 09:34.36 | webchatuser | matt8686: Do you know how they salt their hashes? |
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| 09:36.15 | viking667 | thank you |
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| 09:38.38 | Rosenzweig|Deb | If so, do any of you recognize lag spikes associated with it and poor rendering for web browsers like Chrome? |
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| 09:38.46 | viking667 | hah. I wish I could, but apparently it won't support my poor old HD3450 |
| 09:38.59 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I got Catalyst 12.6. |
| 09:39.12 | Rosenzweig|Deb | And for some reason it'll slow down Debian to a halt. |
| 09:39.31 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Unfreeze, lag, and even sometimes break input devices. |
| 09:39.36 | Rosenzweig|Deb | By break I mean the mouse won't work until restart. |
| 09:39.37 | Rosenzweig|Deb | :\ |
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| 09:42.33 | matt8686 | stockholm, but salt needs to be part of the hash string so it will be included to hash calulatation each time? I mean otherwise it would be impossile to compare the stored hash and the one calculated from the inserted password? |
| 09:43.11 | matt8686 | webchatuser, no I don't. But usually salt is just a random string, isn't it? |
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| 09:48.45 | webchatuser | matt8686: Yes, usually. |
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| 09:54.37 | webchatuser | matt8686: a random string for every host, not session |
| 09:56.17 | webchatuser | matt8686: and the salt is combined/concatenated with the password and then the hash calculated from the combined string |
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| 09:58.11 | dokma | I'm not too clear on resolvconf package or why to use it and I can't google up anything like 'why use resolvconf' |
| 09:58.19 | dokma | can anyone point me to something like this? |
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| 09:58.59 | ]||[ | dokma: probably not too helpful, but it's only ever gotten in my way. I just remove it |
| 09:59.16 | dokma | I don't use it atm either |
| 09:59.22 | dokma | just wanted to understand it |
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| 09:59.29 | dokma | since I am an admin... |
| 09:59.30 | ]||[ | I've never found a good resource on it unfortunately :/ |
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| 10:00.10 | webchatuser | dokma: http://packages.debian.org/en/sid/resolvconf isn't sufficient? |
| 10:00.57 | dokma | webchatuser: I've read that, but I don't really see from it what resolvconf actually does... |
| 10:01.26 | dokma | webchatuser: it say 'it sets it self up as an intermediary' |
| 10:01.37 | dokma | but that does not really explain what it does as an intermediary |
| 10:02.07 | matt8686 | webchatuser, ok. So usually websites store MD5 hash from the salt+password and then store salt separately? And I guess it's a good practice to keep the salt as separately as possible? |
| 10:02.12 | webchatuser | dokma: for example you have dynamic ip adresses. When you run "dhclient", the returned DNS is inserted in /etc/resolf.conf |
| 10:02.47 | webchatuser | ...resolv.con |
| 10:02.58 | dokma | webchatuser: well in this exact example I don't see what resolvconf does |
| 10:03.03 | webchatuser | argh.. /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:03.05 | dokma | that's what's confusing about it... |
| 10:03.22 | homes | debian on an eeepc, intel graphics, no X...how would one get my terminal to show up on the VGA out? |
| 10:04.15 | webchatuser | matt8686: Yes, A good reason is that you can't precalculate hashes for an attack |
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| 10:04.58 | webchatuser | dokma: I think describes it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolv.conf |
| 10:05.28 | homes | matt8686: no need to keep the salt seperate, is fine either way |
| 10:05.29 | dokma | I've seen that one too |
| 10:05.48 | webchatuser | dokma: ..Sometimes it is necessary that the contents of this configuration file be managed by multiple agents or programs. For this purpose the resolvconf program is available to manage such operations in a conflict-free manner... |
| 10:06.09 | homes | if someone has broken into your web server and gotten to where you store your password hashes but can't get to where you store the salts, you should probably just store hash_salt whereever you were storing the salt! |
| 10:06.31 | dokma | webchatuser: now that's a piece of information that makes me understand some sh*t |
| 10:06.41 | homes | the mere use of a not too short salt, prevents precomputed attackes |
| 10:07.34 | homes | [well, it drives up the time/space required to make them unfeasible] |
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| 10:09.02 | matt8686 | homes, webchatuser: but what if someone breaks into a server and finds a file which stores both the salt in plain-text and MD5 hash of the salt+password. In this case it would be much easier for the hacker to find out the password. In case salt is stored separately, the MD5 hashes of salt+passord are unusable for finding out the password. Or am I uncorrect? |
| 10:10.27 | homes | matt8686: your app will need both the hash and salt to verify passwords. if an attacker gets to the hashes, why wouldn't they be able to get to the lesser valuable salts? |
| 10:10.48 | ]||[ | if someone `breaks into a server', youre screwed |
| 10:11.00 | ]||[ | your job is to make sure they dont get to that point |
| 10:11.32 | dokma | exactly |
| 10:11.47 | homes | ]||[: it happens, we do things to make it less significant |
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| 10:11.55 | homes | like not store user passwords in plaintext |
| 10:11.58 | dokma | if the app that verifies the pass can get to the salt then the attacker can too |
| 10:12.07 | ]||[ | well this is true |
| 10:12.12 | homes | breaking into a server can have degrees of effectiveness btw, it may be "read any file" |
| 10:12.25 | homes | which with hashed passwords, may not be a huge deal |
| 10:12.51 | ]||[ | well i used to think hashed passwords was just a standard but thats clearly not true |
| 10:12.59 | dokma | matt8686: but anyways, the point of salts is to prevent a dictionary attack |
| 10:13.00 | homes | sadly not |
| 10:13.19 | dokma | if each salt is different then the amount of time required to generate a dictionary for each salt is enourmous |
| 10:13.32 | dokma | if NSA is not on your tail you have nothing to worry about |
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| 10:21.03 | homes | i feel dirty, just deleted a line from mtab for a device which died with IO errors |
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| 10:26.10 | jelly | homes: also: umount -l |
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| 10:28.54 | dcpc007 | Hello all ! |
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| 10:30.10 | dcpc007 | i keep another smart question from our users for this end of year. They want to get a method to ssh on another PC, and there, stay in the same path than where they come. Any idea ? |
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| 10:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, change to it after you sshd into the host :P |
| 10:32.38 | Vasistha | dokma: it's conceivable that a server could have an algorithm for generating a different salt for each username. At any rate, even if an attacker does get the hash tables and the salt, they still have to run an intensive brute-force attack in order to reveal any single password (unless they can find rainbow tables that include that salt) |
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| 10:34.11 | Vasistha | dcpc007: are you saying you want to restrict access for ssh clients, not allowing them to cd .. or cd / |
| 10:34.44 | dcpc007 | Vasistha no, they want to "stay" in the same folder they were before ssh on the Server |
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| 10:34.49 | homes | Vasistha: conceivable? it's trivial, read 8 bytes from /dev/urandom |
| 10:35.11 | dcpc007 | (they prepare work on nfsshare, then go on cluster to launch it, from the same folder then |
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| 10:35.21 | dcpc007 | and path are long ... then little boring |
| 10:35.26 | Vasistha | homes: I say "conceivable" because I don't know if anybody actually practices that |
| 10:36.03 | homes | Vasistha: people implementing good crypto will do it |
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| 10:37.09 | homes | fortunately sensible use of salting has made rainbow tables a waste of time :) |
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| 10:48.05 | homes | dcpc007: i want something like ssh host "cd `pwd`; /bin/bash" to work, and it does, just not well, there's something missing |
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| 10:53.20 | matt8686 | Is there a common way to combine salt and password? Is it usually "echo -n saltstring.passwordstring" if salt is "saltstring" and password is "passwordstring"? |
| 10:53.38 | matt8686 | I mean "echo -n saltstring.passwordstring | md5sum" |
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| 10:55.50 | dcpc007 | yes think i found : ssh user@server -t "cd /some/directory; bash --login" |
| 10:56.09 | homes | matt8686: are you designing something? |
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| 10:56.40 | matt8686 | homes, I'm just trying to understand how those things are usually done. |
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| 10:56.51 | ElectricPrism | does anyone have the link to DPKG's homepage? |
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| 10:58.07 | homes | matt8686: man shadow, man 3 crypt especially, to see how typical gnu/linux boxes do it |
| 10:59.21 | zykotick9 | ElectricPrism: dpkg the bot? if so, see "/msg dpkg search dpkg". |
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| 11:15.16 | _ramok | hi |
| 11:15.48 | _ramok | is there a good tool to fetch recurring strings or recurring string pattern in a log file and count them? |
| 11:16.36 | zykotick9 | _ramok: pipe grep output to "wc -l" perhaps? |
| 11:16.36 | koollman | _ramok: grep and wc might do the job pretty well. are the patterns very complex ? |
| 11:17.15 | _ramok | koollman: they can be.... it's more about looking how many people logged in and what kind of operations they did... |
| 11:17.26 | _ramok | i'm not sure if it's possible to visualize that with a webtool |
| 11:17.59 | koollman | _ramok: the kind of operation might not be logged at all, too. |
| 11:18.35 | _ramok | but at least if someone logged in or not |
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| 11:31.52 | Cybuster | hi |
| 11:32.47 | jalalsfs | Cybuster, hi |
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| 11:35.42 | Cybuster | anyone using awesome-wm here? i need some help, my keyboard/mouse goes crazy when i start awesome, can someone provide me the default rc.lua? please |
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| 11:38.47 | zykotick9 | Cybuster: the "default" rc.lua is in /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua |
| 11:39.15 | Cybuster | i overwrote that one |
| 11:39.25 | Cybuster | yeah... bad idea |
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| 11:40.40 | jeeves_moss | how do I setup my bind server to be a slave with no upstream replication to my windows servers? |
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| 11:41.27 | zykotick9 | Cybuster: this is from wheezy's /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua http://paste.debian.net/219789/ |
| 11:41.50 | Cybuster | zykotick9, thx |
| 11:41.54 | funto | hi, I'm running Debian testing. After installation, my touchpad's "middle click" (=combined left+right click) did not work, as well as the scrolling wheel |
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| 11:42.12 | funto | to fix this I added a .conf file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d containing this: http://www.pasteall.org/38369 |
| 11:42.14 | zykotick9 | Cybuster: and it's ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua that you should be editing |
| 11:42.22 | funto | from time to time, it works and from time to time it doesn't, I have no idea why |
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| 11:42.32 | funto | how can this vary from one boot session to another? |
| 11:42.34 | kamap | Cybuster: note that you can: "apt-get -d install package" to download a given program (i.e: awesome) and get the original rc.lua from the downloaded .deb |
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| 11:42.53 | Cybuster | zykotick9, does it have priority over /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua? |
| 11:42.58 | kamap | (which should be already cached in /var/cache/apt/archives anyway) |
| 11:43.02 | zykotick9 | Cybuster: yes |
| 11:43.09 | Cybuster | kamap, nice, thx |
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| 11:45.44 | zykotick9 | Cybuster: as a side note, if you have any syntax errors in your rc.lua - it gets ignored and you get the default. so, no errors allowed ;) |
| 11:45.56 | Furai | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.13 | Furai | Mine seems to crash all the time today. |
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| 11:49.47 | Cybuster | zykotick9, ok thank you it's working now :) |
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| 11:54.39 | funto | any help with my touchpad problem? |
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| 12:00.07 | iceroot | Furai: running fine here |
| 12:00.21 | iceroot | Furai: this irssi client is hosted on a hetzner-system |
| 12:00.50 | Furai | This weechat client is also hosted like this. |
| 12:00.57 | Furai | Under screen. |
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| 12:01.23 | Furai | Also weechat > irssi. :P |
| 12:01.35 | Furai | Thx for reply anyway. |
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| 12:01.49 | iceroot | no :) irssi > all |
| 12:02.05 | Furai | Have you seen weechat? :P |
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| 12:02.29 | iceroot | for a real flame you dont have to see the other programs :) |
| 12:02.32 | zykotick9 | Furai: have you seen "/msg dpkg irssi" ;) |
| 12:02.58 | iceroot | its like vim and emacs, you dont have to look at emacs to know that vim is better :) |
| 12:03.03 | Furai | I was using irssi at first but wasn't relly impressed with it. |
| 12:03.32 | iceroot | its doing its job, so i am fine with it but also heard good things about weechat but never touch a running system .) |
| 12:03.43 | Furai | weechat is very much like irssi but under active developement + way more intuitive. |
| 12:03.56 | Furai | iceroot, agreed. |
| 12:04.29 | iceroot | i am fine with debian + ssh + screen + bitlbee + irssi |
| 12:05.15 | Furai | bitlbee? |
| 12:05.18 | Furai | hmm |
| 12:05.22 | zykotick9 | debian + screen + irssi + irssi-plugins-xmpp here |
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| 12:06.00 | Furai | Anyway, no time to chat, have to prepare for that finals in January. |
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| 12:06.48 | iceroot | Furai: bitlbee will connect to icq, msn, facebook, jabber and so on and will create an own irc-server where you can connect with an irc-client so you can reach every protocol with irc |
| 12:07.37 | Furai | Nice. |
| 12:07.58 | Furai | I'm using Pidgin for other protocols then IRC. |
| 12:08.12 | Furai | I might give a try to bitlbee |
| 12:08.25 | Cybuster | is there a way i can make a program always start with certain parameters? e.g. gnome mplayer with --loop when i open a video, the new properties window doesn't let me do that |
| 12:09.44 | iceroot | Furai: btw good luck |
| 12:09.48 | ompaul | Cybuster: create a script that does that and provide an application link to the desktop? I don't know if you can but it would be nice if you could. |
| 12:10.04 | Furai | iceroot, thx |
| 12:10.09 | kamap | Cybuster: Option 1: alias it in your .bashrc, Option 2: change the mplayer configuration file Option 3: If you use XFCE, you can add a thunar action for video files with certain parameters. |
| 12:10.22 | kamap | (the same is true in Nautilus) |
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| 12:10.57 | Cybuster | ok, thanks i will search how to do that |
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| 12:14.23 | ompaul | Cybuster: the first part is easy and in a dirty way as root cat > myscript in /usr/local/bin/myscript then type #!/bin/bash on the first line then put mplayer options $1 check out zenity to allow you navigate the file system |
| 12:14.45 | ompaul | Cybuster: in the wrong order but enjoy none the less |
| 12:14.52 | kamap | Cybuster, if you happen to use XFCE... http://i.imgur.com/8dqbq.png |
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| 12:19.08 | Cybuster | kamap, it looks like nautilus doesnt have that option anymore, at least not as straightforward as before |
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| 12:19.51 | biberao | hi |
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| 12:19.57 | kamap | Well, I'm *not* going to say what I think of the current state of Gnome... heh. |
| 12:20.23 | biberao | when installing nginx for example is there a way to make it install "/etc/nginx" it didnt copy its files to the right place |
| 12:20.41 | nkuttler | !tell biberao about confmiss |
| 12:21.24 | Cybuster | kamap, i hate it too, im just using the gtk themes on awesome-wm |
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| 12:24.19 | biberao | nkuttler: should i replace $package with the package i want? |
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| 12:28.02 | Cybuster | ompaul, where do i learn to do that kind of things, scripting and such? is there a tutorial, for what should be i searching for 'scripting'? |
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| 12:29.00 | ompaul | Cybuster: there are lots of ways to learn scripting, pick something you want to do, and type in bash enter data and so on |
| 12:29.06 | ompaul | as your search |
| 12:29.19 | ompaul | Cybuster: imagine if you like what such a short script should do |
| 12:29.30 | Cybuster | okay |
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| 12:29.41 | ompaul | Cybuster: there are also #bash on this network which has a good tutorial in the topic iirc |
| 12:30.17 | ompaul | Cybuster: to solve any small problem even adding two numbers you take in - you have to be very explicit in what you tell the machine, it doesn't do vague :) |
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| 12:31.59 | ksuhku | scripting is like programming for non-programmers |
| 12:32.02 | ompaul | Cybuster: a good exercise is to type in a receipt you get from a shop into a text file it might have multiple columns do it all as text and then parse it |
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| 12:58.09 | biberao | nkuttler: ive tried it and it didnt work :| |
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| 12:58.42 | mathias__ | Hi, I am trying proxy ARP which works nicely, BUT the systems own IP address becomes unreachable (on the network and from the host itself) AND ping to 127.0.0.1 doesn't work anymore. Any ideas? From a default configuration with 10.173.10.2/24 on eth0 and 10.173.10.1 as default gateway, I execute this to enable proxy ARP: http://pastebin.com/8iKAz29P |
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| 13:00.19 | jelly | mathias__: configuring a proper bridge might be less troubling than proxy arp, if you can do it |
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| 13:01.18 | biberao | jelly: != jelly1? |
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| 13:02.11 | jelly | biberao: corrent, they're different people. |
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| 13:02.16 | jelly | correCt |
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| 13:11.46 | mathias__ | jelly: unforunately, I cant: I want to do this in a VM on VMware vSphere and there seems to be problem with bridging |
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| 13:12.29 | mathias__ | http://communities.vmware.com/thread/262520 |
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| 13:13.22 | mathias__ | I struggled a lot with bridging but couldnt get it to work |
| 13:13.43 | mathias__ | I believe that is why VMware's vShield Edge (linux router appliance) uses proxy ARP, too! |
| 13:14.20 | jelly | ouch |
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| 13:15.45 | jelly | mathias__: I don't have my proxy_arp config any more, but here are remains of it: http://jebo.me/pas/8 |
| 13:16.57 | jelly | mathias__: on this system, default router was accessible via eth0, while _most_ hosts on the 161.53.143.0/24 network were on the eth1 side |
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| 13:17.32 | mathias__ | ok thx, will have a look |
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| 13:18.29 | jelly | exceptions are noted in the config for eth0. The gateway line on eth1 and immediate deleting of the route for 161.53.143.1 via eth1 was a workaround for something, but I don't remember what |
| 13:18.49 | jelly | there's a much saner br0 setup now in place |
| 13:19.08 | mathias__ | jelly: I notice you have different IPs on eth0 and eth1 - according to what I read so far, you are supposed to have both NICs set to the same IP config |
| 13:19.22 | jelly | mathias__: yeah... that didn't fly either |
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| 13:19.34 | mathias__ | k |
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| 13:19.48 | jelly | for some reason I had to set an ip for eth1 (that doesn't actually get used for anything) |
| 13:19.58 | jelly | it's all foggy |
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| 13:20.42 | jelly | the proxy_arp lines were uncommented at the time of course |
| 13:21.43 | mathias__ | what about those "scope link" lines? They point to a /32 address (a host?) |
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| 13:22.10 | jelly | it's just a different way to write the same thing as the other lines. |
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| 13:22.18 | jelly | probably a copy/paste from "ip r" output |
| 13:22.54 | mathias__ | k |
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| 13:23.21 | biberao | (lastlog biberao |
| 13:23.25 | jelly | sorry, I only got backups for 2 months back on this machine and didn't save the actual config |
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| 13:23.46 | jelly | this one is somewhat molested |
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| 13:30.58 | mathias__ | jelly: It works! |
| 13:31.11 | mathias__ | dont quite see why you config works and mine doesnt |
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| 13:31.29 | mathias__ | maybe the ip route flush table all broke something |
| 13:31.56 | biberao | jelly: do you know to reinstall the directory of a certain app? |
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| 13:33.46 | nkuttler | biberao: which command did you use, which error did you get? |
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| 13:34.30 | biberao | nkuttler: one sec |
| 13:34.54 | biberao | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename |
| 13:35.00 | jelly | mathias__: I remember it took some tinkering to get it working, proxy_arp is very old feature in Linux but felt like a hack |
| 13:35.18 | jelly | biberao: I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 13:35.20 | nkuttler | biberao: yeah wee.. |
| 13:35.23 | nkuttler | well.. |
| 13:35.33 | nkuttler | biberao: replace $packagename with whatever you want to reinstall.. |
| 13:35.49 | biberao | i did that |
| 13:35.53 | nkuttler | biberao: which command did you use, which error did you get? |
| 13:35.58 | biberao | it didnt make /etc/nginx |
| 13:36.00 | biberao | no error |
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| 13:36.23 | mathias__ | jelly: here with same IP config: http://pastebin.com/0NXB26pj works fine for me! thx for help! |
| 13:36.31 | oznt | i have a weird problem with a Makefile in debian, which works perfectly in CentOS. can someone help me? |
| 13:36.32 | nkuttler | biberao: and dpkg -S /etc/nginx |
| 13:36.45 | nkuttler | !tell oznt about errors |
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| 13:37.06 | biberao | ok will try thanks |
| 13:37.23 | babilen | oznt: And please to /not/ cross-post |
| 13:37.25 | jelly | mathias__: line 17 has typos? |
| 13:37.37 | oznt | nkuttler, well the error is: the make file contains one target (run) which calls a binary and input file |
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| 13:38.12 | jelly | mathias__: (line 10 and 17 seem redundant, and 14 is unneeded perhaps) |
| 13:38.14 | nkuttler | oznt: ask the channel |
| 13:38.19 | oznt | the binary works perfectly if i call it from the shell, but does not run as expected if i call it from the make file |
| 13:40.06 | oznt | babilen, so like i said, you can see the make file here https://github.com/oz123/open-tap/tree/master/validation/redox-eq |
| 13:40.57 | babilen | So, what happens when you call it on Debian and what did you expect to happen? Could you provide output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:41.11 | lloydatkinson | Hi. What book(s) do you recommend for a sysadmin new to linux firewalls? |
| 13:41.18 | oznt | babilen, in the meanwhile my Makefile just contains a call to the binary (it's a fortran program) which i can run from the shell, but when called from the make file it crashes |
| 13:41.20 | lloydatkinson | (Im using Debian) |
| 13:41.28 | abrotman | lloydatkinson: paper book? |
| 13:41.45 | lloydatkinson | Yes although I suppose pdf is OK too |
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| 13:42.05 | oznt | babilen, i can provide the paste, but it is not so relevant, it tells me exactly in which subroutine it stops (i have the code for the binary) |
| 13:42.05 | babilen | oznt: "your" makefile? Are you implying that the Makefile on that GitHub page is not the Makefile with which you experience the error? (which error was that again?) |
| 13:42.08 | abrotman | lloydatkinson: Oreilly makes the only iptables/firewall related books i know of, perhaps ask #netfilter |
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| 13:42.17 | lloydatkinson | Thanks |
| 13:42.39 | oznt | babilen, it just an example, the make file calls the tiny python script, which in turns calls the binary |
| 13:42.52 | babilen | oznt: What is the actual problem? Please be aware that we have /no idea/ what you are talking about and that all the information we can use to help you has to be provided by you |
| 13:43.08 | babilen | oznt: So: What happens and what did you expect to happen? |
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| 13:43.27 | oznt | i expect the binary to run |
| 13:43.40 | babilen | oznt: And what happens instead? |
| 13:43.43 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 13:43.46 | oznt | it runs in centos (the same make file), it crashes |
| 13:43.53 | oznt | it won't run |
| 13:44.08 | mathias__ | jelly: right |
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| 13:44.14 | oznt | it simply stops after a few iterations |
| 13:44.29 | oznt | and i have no clue how make calls the shell or so |
| 13:44.47 | babilen | oznt: Could you paste the Python script + actual output. I still have no idea what is actually going on. |
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| 13:45.18 | webchatuser | oznt: which one hangs? run_redox_eq_os.py or run_redox_eq_gim.py ? |
| 13:45.32 | oznt | take a look here: |
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| 13:45.34 | oznt | http://paste.debian.net/219823/ |
| 13:45.41 | oznt | it has nothing to with python |
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| 13:46.05 | oznt | i even wrote a waf script, which works fine |
| 13:46.12 | oznt | it just fails with make |
| 13:47.00 | webchatuser | oznt: Where is the "fail" in your paste? |
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| 13:47.40 | oznt | everything after # Error: |
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| 13:50.38 | oznt | webchatuser, i manage to narrow it down to Debian, and I thought it has to do with the gnu make version (3.81 in CentOS 5.8 the same version 3.81 in debian wheezy) |
| 13:51.19 | webchatuser | oznt: The binary you talk is min3p_gfortran.e ? |
| 13:51.31 | oznt | webchatuser, yes |
| 13:52.05 | oznt | its a huge fortran code which i can't release |
| 13:52.18 | oznt | unfortunately |
| 13:52.57 | webchatuser | oznt: are the directories "dirs" present? |
| 13:53.03 | xand | the 1970s called ;) |
| 13:53.34 | webchatuser | you try to call ../../../min3p_gfortran.e' but does this still work after os.chdir(dirs[j]) ? |
| 13:53.46 | oznt | xand, they didn't just call, the are still hanging around in many science departments ... unfortunately too ... |
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| 13:55.11 | oznt | webchatuser, if i call the binary in my shell : ../../../min3p_gfortran.e input.dat : everything works |
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| 13:55.33 | oznt | if i put the same line as a single target in a makefile (in Debian) it will crash |
| 13:55.46 | webchatuser | which line? |
| 13:55.58 | oznt | this: ../../../min3p_gfortran.e input.dat |
| 13:56.07 | oznt | this simply won't work |
| 13:56.26 | xand | put the absolute path |
| 13:56.33 | xand | the whole thing |
| 13:56.42 | oznt | and I though it might have to do with dash in debian - because make calls /bin/sh (which is link to dash) |
| 13:56.56 | webchatuser | oznt: the output you pasted is "../../../../min3p_gfortran.e equil-mixos" |
| 13:58.16 | oznt | xand, it does not work also with the absolute line |
| 13:58.25 | oznt | sorry ... does not work also with the absolute path |
| 13:59.09 | oznt | debian's make is fully around with me ... |
| 13:59.26 | webchatuser | oznt: When you say "Doesn't work" or "fails" you want to say the program displays the error message that the maximum number of iterations exceeded? |
| 13:59.35 | oznt | webchatuser, yes |
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| 14:00.00 | oznt | i don't get what make has to do with the number of iterations |
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| 14:00.57 | oznt | i even put inside the routine "react_snia" a "call system("env")" so i will see which environments make has set, but i don't see any difference |
| 14:00.58 | webchatuser | oznt: nothing: I think your program is not located at the right place and you make some errors with ../../... |
| 14:01.31 | oznt | webchatuser, i even tried copying the binary to the directory where the make file is |
| 14:01.36 | webchatuser | oznt: put a "print" before os.system(min3p+'\t'+problems[i]) to see the call |
| 14:01.52 | oznt | webchatuser, i am not using the python script anymore |
| 14:01.54 | webchatuser | oznt: but see inside the python scripts.... |
| 14:02.01 | webchatuser | what? |
| 14:02.07 | oznt | webchatuser, i just use the simple make file |
| 14:02.15 | epinky | is there any guide I can follow to enable perl CGI in Debian 5? |
| 14:02.18 | webchatuser | which you didn't post yet? |
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| 14:02.25 | oznt | i did post |
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| 14:02.35 | oznt | http://paste.debian.net/219823/ |
| 14:02.44 | oznt | the make file has just one simple target run |
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| 14:03.02 | webchatuser | oznt: pastebin |
| 14:03.03 | oznt | webchatuser, runos to exact |
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| 14:03.49 | oznt | webchatuser, http://paste.debian.net/219824/ |
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| 14:04.22 | webchatuser | oznt: Ah and where is your input.dat here? |
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| 14:04.36 | oznt | equil-mixos |
| 14:04.57 | oznt | input.dat was just a name to make clear it is an argument |
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| 14:05.21 | webchatuser | and this file is present in the current directory where also the Makefile is located AND min3p_gfortran.e ? |
| 14:05.23 | oznt | but believe me, this "./min3p_gfortran.e equil-mixos" on the shell works, but inside the make it fails |
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| 14:05.44 | oznt | yes, the min3p binary is now copied to my directory |
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| 14:06.11 | oznt | yes, the min3p binary is now copied to the directory where the input file (equil-mixos) is |
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| 14:11.32 | oznt | webchatuser, i think i have to conclude it is a bug in Debian's make |
| 14:11.37 | oznt | and here is why |
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| 14:11.58 | oznt | i just downloaded gnu make from the website version 3.82, and compiled it |
| 14:12.36 | oznt | then i did "cp /home/ozn/make-3.82/make ." to the directory with the failing make file, the input file and my binary |
| 14:12.52 | oznt | and the I issued "make" and everything works as expected |
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| 14:13.44 | webchatuser | oznt: "make" or "./make" ? |
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| 14:15.36 | webchatuser | xand: and I would still bet 10 bucks that it's not a make bug... |
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| 14:16.13 | xand | o.O |
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| 14:27.05 | toad_ | my pidgin can hardly ever get through to jabber.org xmpp, but according to #jabber it is up. my networking is fine afaik. any ideas? could this be a debian-specific pidgin bug? |
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| 14:29.27 | abrotman | toad_: pidgin relies on network-manager connectoin |
| 14:29.40 | toad_ | urgh |
| 14:29.43 | toad_ | is there any way to change that? |
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| 14:29.58 | toad_ | XMPP only needs outgoing connections! |
| 14:30.14 | Towzzer | pidgin requires the use of the network-manager? |
| 14:30.47 | oznt | webchatuser, ./make works perfectly (make from debian is the one which fails) |
| 14:30.49 | Towzzer | seems odd |
| 14:31.33 | webchatuser | oznt: what does "which make" output? |
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| 14:32.27 | oznt | webchatuser, /usr/bin/make |
| 14:32.46 | toad_ | abrotman: it requires managed=true ? |
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| 14:33.08 | abrotman | toad_: you can start pidgin with a flag instead |
| 14:33.16 | webchatuser | oznt: /usr/bin/make -v ? |
| 14:33.24 | oznt | 3.81 |
| 14:33.44 | oznt | webchatuser, i build v.3.82 now building v.3.81 from upstream |
| 14:33.55 | toad_ | abrotman: what flag? not obviously in man page |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | uhm .. let me look |
| 14:34.05 | toad_ | oh |
| 14:34.08 | toad_ | --force-online |
| 14:34.09 | toad_ | doh |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | toad_: -f, yes |
| 14:34.31 | webchatuser | oznt: I don't think its just "3.81" but I give up, want bet for informations |
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| 14:34.45 | webchatuser | s/bet/beg |
| 14:35.08 | oznt | webchatuser, well ... funny thing |
| 14:35.23 | oznt | i just compiled v.3.81 from upstream |
| 14:35.32 | oznt | same problem as with /usr/bin/make |
| 14:35.47 | oznt | maybe it's not debian's make fault ... |
| 14:35.57 | oznt | testing also older versions of make |
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| 14:37.26 | abrotman | toad_: does that help? |
| 14:37.32 | toad_ | yep |
| 14:37.34 | toad_ | thanks |
| 14:37.51 | toad_ | would it be better to configure network-manager? |
| 14:38.07 | toad_ | guess since i'm doing nat maybe i'll leave that alone |
| 14:38.11 | toad_ | thanks anyway |
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| 14:38.19 | oznt | webchatuser, ach ... i want to curse ... make in version 3.80 is working fine |
| 14:38.41 | oznt | it seems like it is a local regression in make v.3.81 |
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| 14:39.27 | oznt | i go crazy now, this thing cost me a day and a half of testing different systems and fighting make, thinking i do something completely stupid in my code ... |
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| 14:42.01 | webchatuser | oznt: Have you ssen this? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-make/2007-04/msg00020.html |
| 14:42.09 | biberao | nkuttler: i did that |
| 14:42.15 | biberao | dpkg -S /etc/nginx/ |
| 14:42.15 | dpkg | Package: /etc/nginx/: Status: install ok installed |
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| 14:43.18 | biberao | oh fixed |
| 14:43.20 | biberao | thanks |
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| 14:50.05 | oznt | webchatuser, still there? |
| 14:50.16 | oznt | my make file has no quotes ... |
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| 14:55.29 | acu | how can I make registered account on freenode ? |
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| 14:55.54 | Towzzer | what's the silly yum equivlent of apt-get update |
| 14:55.57 | Towzzer | or does that not exist |
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| 14:56.07 | pce | acu: /j freenode and ask |
| 14:56.17 | acu | tks |
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| 14:57.18 | grawity | Can I tell `dpkg` to *never* auto-start services it has just installed? |
| 14:57.38 | Towzzer | you have to modify the scripts that come with the package |
| 14:57.42 | Towzzer | they are the ones that start services |
| 14:57.47 | EyesIsMine | can somebody run uname -o, uname -r, uname -v and uname -s for me? I'm gathering some info for my script and I need to include a debian-specific bit |
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| 14:59.24 | jelly | EyesIsMine: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
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| 15:00.01 | Towzzer | hack! |
| 15:00.03 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: A bit off topic here, but yum doesn't have an update function, it essentially does an update check any time an action is requested. |
| 15:00.20 | Towzzer | I figured that, I can't tell if I hate RH or really hate it |
| 15:00.22 | EyesIsMine | trying to get an OS detection script for a bit of an error analyser, so I need the outputs |
| 15:00.33 | Towzzer | trying to convince companies to use debian is annoying! |
| 15:00.38 | grawity | EyesIsMine: `uname` won't tell you the distro... |
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| 15:00.48 | EyesIsMine | yeah, just released that |
| 15:01.17 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: There may be some standard lsb files you can check. |
| 15:01.49 | Towzzer | eyesismine |
| 15:01.53 | jelly | EyesIsMine: use lsb_release, if present, do detect distro, up front; http://jebo.me/pas/2 |
| 15:01.55 | Towzzer | what about checking /etc/motd |
| 15:02.03 | grawity | EyesIsMine: if /etc/os-release exists, check its ID=... field |
| 15:02.12 | grawity | Towzzer: you have got to be kidding. |
| 15:02.27 | jelly | grawity: Debian uses no such file as /etc/os-release |
| 15:02.29 | grawity | EyesIsMine: otherwise, check for presence of /etc/debian_version or /etc/whatever-release |
| 15:02.33 | grawity | jelly: it does |
| 15:02.42 | grawity | jelly: well, it will – sid has the file |
| 15:02.53 | grawity | (I always forget I'm not running stable. Sorry.) |
| 15:03.02 | jelly | !slap grawity |
| 15:03.02 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across grawity's face |
| 15:03.16 | grawity | purges dpkg. |
| 15:03.21 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 15:03.21 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | lsb_release -a IMO |
| 15:04.05 | jelly | the funny thing here is base system gets you no lsb_release |
| 15:04.11 | grawity | jelly: on the other hand, I've seen many servers that are missing lsb_relea–––yeah, that. |
| 15:04.14 | neon__ | I try to add a toolbar button in openoffice, and it doesn't get inserted |
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| 15:04.52 | EyesIsMine | i'll use lsb_release -sc then |
| 15:04.54 | abrotman | jelly: i know |
| 15:04.57 | grawity | EyesIsMine: -si |
| 15:05.06 | EyesIsMine | -si then |
| 15:05.37 | grawity | EyesIsMine: ...see what jelly said, though. |
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| 15:05.48 | neon__ | now I deleted the .openoffice.org dir and for a brief second I saw these toolbar buttons and they disappeared !!! |
| 15:05.55 | neon__ | before my eyes |
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| 15:07.11 | jhutchins_wk | lsb_release is a flat file on some systems, not an executable. |
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| 15:07.24 | EyesIsMine | i'll try lsb_release -si then trying to get the /etc files |
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| 15:12.38 | jhutchins_wk | EyesIsMine: You'll probably end up running multiple tests. |
| 15:12.45 | EyesIsMine | I will. |
| 15:12.49 | EyesIsMine | but oh well |
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| 15:15.39 | jelly | I bet there's a shell library doing distro detection somewhere already |
| 15:16.57 | ksk | puppet can dew that ;) |
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| 15:17.07 | abrotman | ksk: sort of |
| 15:17.22 | abrotman | ksk: older versoins of puppet do a pretty poor job of it |
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| 15:17.54 | ksk | ah okay, have to admit never wrote anything besides for debian machines.. |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | i mean, i guess they get the general idea :) |
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| 15:33.41 | jelly | mathias__: I have no clue |
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| 15:47.32 | theseb | Easiest way to make an "old style" audio CD from a bunch of mp3's if your car stereo won't play mp3s? |
| 15:49.02 | abrotman | old style? |
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| 15:50.23 | theseb | abrotman: old cd players don't know what mp3 is |
| 15:50.25 | TomyLobo | which ftp server package would you recommend? |
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| 15:50.47 | TomyLobo | all i need is a couple of user/password pairs that have full access to a folder i designate |
| 15:51.06 | abrotman | theseb: it's not 'old style', it's just an audio CD |
| 15:51.11 | abrotman | TomyLobo: vsftpd |
| 15:51.12 | homes | TomyLobo: vsftpd |
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| 15:51.41 | theseb | abrotman: ah..ok |
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| 15:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | herbyCologne: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
| 15:52.43 | jhutchins_wk | Er, scuse. |
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| 15:53.21 | abrotman | almost the right nick .. |
| 15:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | iirc audio cd data is the same format as .wav |
| 15:54.05 | abrotman | there are many programs that can create an audio CD straight from MP3 |
| 15:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | For some reason putty usually swallows the first character entered when I return to the screen. Or maybe it's irssi. |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | a normal audio CD |
| 15:54.53 | jhutchins_wk | There are players that won't read burned CDs, but they're getting old and far between. |
| 15:55.46 | nisaarally | hi jelly-home |
| 15:55.49 | nisaarally | hi dan39 |
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| 16:04.11 | Towzzer | interesting little question |
| 16:04.23 | Towzzer | so you are in a directory and you want to do a recursive grep for something in all .php files |
| 16:04.33 | Towzzer | but the directory itself contains no .php files |
| 16:04.35 | Towzzer | grep doesn't work |
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| 16:04.55 | Towzzer | if,however there is a php file in the current directory then it does check that and sucessfully recurses |
| 16:05.13 | Towzzer | how can you make grep check a specific regex filename if said file does not exist in the current directory |
| 16:05.46 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: You could use find -exec |
| 16:06.09 | ksk | you sure grep does what you describe? i dont think so :o |
| 16:06.17 | ksk | *are you |
| 16:06.36 | Towzzer | mkdir test;cd test;mkdir sub1;touch sub1/test.php;grep 'test' *.php |
| 16:06.38 | Towzzer | check the output |
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| 16:06.54 | ksk | erm |
| 16:07.02 | ksk | there is no string "test" inside sub1/test.php - maybe? |
| 16:07.10 | Towzzer | it doesn't even check the file |
| 16:07.18 | Towzzer | sorry, I forgot the recursive switch there |
| 16:07.42 | Towzzer | > grep -R 'test' *.php |
| 16:07.42 | Towzzer | grep: *.php: No such file or directory |
| 16:07.51 | Towzzer | even though in a subdirectory there is a .php file |
| 16:07.54 | Towzzer | it won't proceed |
| 16:08.27 | ksk | ah okay, thats not a grep but a globbing issue |
| 16:08.27 | ksk | hum |
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| 16:09.04 | jhutchins_wk | find <path> -name "*.php" -exec grep foo {} \; |
| 16:09.15 | Towzzer | I know jhut, but I'm just trying to figure out a way to do it with grep |
| 16:09.34 | Towzzer | I could also do this, touch test.php;grep -R 'blah' *.php;rm test.php |
| 16:09.36 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.47 | ksk | Towzzer: rgrep "test" */*.php |
| 16:10.02 | ksk | or ./*.php could work, too |
| 16:10.09 | ksk | or not.. |
| 16:10.11 | ksk | so the first one :P |
| 16:10.27 | Towzzer | what's rgrep |
| 16:10.30 | ksk | grep -r |
| 16:10.38 | Towzzer | man, they are doing that alot aren't they? |
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| 16:10.51 | Towzzer | dedicated aliases for common commands with switches |
| 16:10.56 | wols | Towzzer: standard grep has/had no -r, only GNU grep |
| 16:11.05 | Towzzer | I know, I'm talking about GNU grep |
| 16:11.08 | wols | no. there actually was/is a rgrep |
| 16:11.22 | ksk | also see "man grep" ;) |
| 16:11.48 | Towzzer | ksk, */*.php , what is that checking? |
| 16:12.03 | Towzzer | what does */*.php mean |
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| 16:12.57 | ksk | you know what an asteriks means? |
| 16:13.01 | Towzzer | yes |
| 16:13.27 | ksk | so its like every thingy(*) in here(.) and then everything thats in there ./ |
| 16:13.27 | Towzzer | will that check the contents of all files in the current directory, then all files that match *.php in subdirectories? |
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| 16:13.35 | ksk | dunno how to describe sorry :o |
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| 16:14.08 | jelly | gives ksk ack-grep |
| 16:14.35 | Sun_Tze | hi why is it that after installing debian i am unable to sudo and doing groups myusername i dont have even permission to apt-get |
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| 16:17.54 | Sun_Tze | anyone? |
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| 16:18.33 | ksk | Towzzer: it will only match subdirs, you can always replace "grep" with ls or something to check things globbing (the * thingy) does |
| 16:18.36 | ksk | jelly: pardon |
| 16:18.38 | ksk | ? :> |
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| 16:19.06 | ksk | ah okay, a package/grep-thingy |
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| 16:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rls? :D |
| 16:21.34 | jelly | a grep thingy that knows about code, headers, comments and stuff |
| 16:21.57 | jelly | http://betterthangrep.com/ |
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| 16:23.10 | dcpc007 | Happy end of year to all ! See u next yeer |
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| 16:23.29 | dvs | dcpc007: No, we'll keep ou here! |
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| 16:23.38 | jelly | ksk: notably: "-r, -R, --recurse Recurse into subdirectories (ack's default behavior)" "--[no]php .php .phpt .php3 .php4 .php5 .phtml" |
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| 16:24.06 | den-tonkiy | Plhfcmnt |
| 16:24.10 | den-tonkiy | Здрсьте |
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| 16:24.40 | jelly | den-tonkiy: Hello there! English only, please. |
| 16:25.06 | den-tonkiy | Hello! i'm sorry |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | I think there's a russian channel as well if you need it... |
| 16:25.34 | jelly | !ru |
| 16:25.35 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 16:25.55 | den-tonkiy | thanks |
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| 16:26.06 | n-iCe | any good bluetooth manager? |
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| 16:33.01 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to start the sshd daemon which would ignore the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files? |
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| 16:34.57 | wols | hid3: probably a compile time option to use libwrap from TCP wrappers |
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| 16:37.50 | hid3 | wols: isn't it possible to specify via an option? I'm running two applications in Linux Containers on one machine. One container needs to rely on the hosts.* files and the other one needs to allow everything... |
| 16:38.14 | hid3 | And both containers use one sshd daemon. Don't want to go separate daemons or custom compile route |
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| 16:49.46 | zophy | what's the best linux distro to put on a 2GB SDcard ? |
| 16:50.28 | dvs | hmmmm.... I wonder what people in here will say... |
| 16:50.39 | jwolfe | I need to copy my debian from the 120GB drive its on now to the 2TB drive I just put in, I'm booted into Parted Magic from a thumbdrive, have a ext3 partition on target mounted, need advice on how to proceed |
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| 16:51.46 | wols | jwolfe: use clonezilla? |
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| 16:52.54 | jwolfe | wols, well the 2TB drive currently has a partition spanning the whole drive with data on it I want to save and put into /home/wolfe on the target.. I want to merge that with my rootfs. |
| 16:53.45 | wols | jwolfe: then just copy all over and reinstall grub? |
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| 16:53.51 | jwolfe | the goal here is to replace the 120GB drive with the larger backup drigve |
| 16:54.20 | Randolph_Carter | Could someone here inform me as to what should be installed in order to prevent every word I write from being underlined as if spelled incorrectly? |
| 16:54.20 | jwolfe | but a straight copy will hose the permissions, no? |
| 16:54.31 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to build a debian package |
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| 16:54.48 | jwolfe | and I would need to regenerate dev and proc and such |
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| 16:54.54 | dorphalsig | but I need to run a specific command before running make |
| 16:55.07 | under | I. Would like to remove apache and install lighttpd . apt-get remove apache -> Virtual packages like 'apache' can't be removed |
| 16:55.37 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to build a debian package but I need to run a specific command before running make. I think I know that command should be put inside the debian/rules, but I am unsure |
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| 16:57.04 | jelly | under: investigate which packages starting with apache in the name you have installed, "dpkg -l apache\* | grep ^.i" |
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| 16:58.06 | jelly | under: long story short, you'll want to remove or purge apache2.2-common. But you don't have to remove the package at all to try lighttpd, you could just stop the service |
| 16:58.29 | under | thanks :) |
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| 16:59.58 | under | jelly, could you raccomand a light and easy ftp server? |
| 17:00.15 | Towzzer | proftpd |
| 17:00.27 | Towzzer | or if you want easier setup but maybe less support, vsftpd |
| 17:00.42 | Towzzer | vsftpd is easier to setup ssl with |
| 17:01.01 | jelly | under: dunno, vsftpd is the common choice it seems |
| 17:01.07 | under | thanks |
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| 17:07.11 | Randolph_Carter | Can anyone here tell me how to go about getting the red jagged line from under every word I type? When I browse the net, everything I type appears as if spelled incorrectly. Is there something that can be installed to remedy the problem? |
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| 17:08.33 | Towzzer | are you browsing the web in microsoft word? |
| 17:08.42 | Randolph_Carter | No, Mozilla |
| 17:08.50 | Moviuro | Hi all! I'd like to force a screen resolution for X (the one I have is too small for my screen): how can this be done ? |
| 17:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Randolph_Carter, well, switch to the correct language |
| 17:09.00 | blackness | how would i allow everyone to /bin/bash but exclude a few users? |
| 17:09.17 | Towzzer | blackness, you have to use ACL for that |
| 17:09.20 | blackness | like users in "untrusted" cant use any shell but the one i want. |
| 17:09.28 | Randolph_Carter | How might I do that, cutmeownthroat? |
| 17:09.29 | blackness | Towzzer, explain please? or post a guide. |
| 17:09.46 | Towzzer | I don't know it , I only know of it :D |
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| 17:10.06 | Towzzer | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/acl.htm |
| 17:10.09 | blackness | i want to limit * but the group 'untrusted' to /bin/sh /bin/bash /bin/tcsh and so on, and only allow them to /bin/untrusted |
| 17:10.11 | blackness | thanks |
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| 17:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Randolph_Carter, or actually... to switch it off, right-click, un-select "check spelling"? |
| 17:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but FF/iceweasel doesnt show squiggels, but dots |
| 17:10.54 | blackness | does this work for binary commands? |
| 17:10.59 | blackness | like 'uptime'? |
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| 17:12.49 | montel | <Towzzer> are you browsing the web in microsoft word? |
| 17:12.55 | montel | ^lol |
| 17:13.17 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 17:13.22 | montel | hi |
| 17:13.44 | rhenani | I am trying to ssh |
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| 17:13.54 | montel | and.. |
| 17:13.55 | rhenani | to one of my machine |
| 17:13.58 | rhenani | I have here next to me |
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| 17:14.16 | montel | ask the question in one line man |
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| 17:14.47 | rhenani | I just formated and it says this: http://paste.debian.net/219870/ |
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| 17:15.54 | rhenani | montel: Sorry baout that |
| 17:16.07 | jhutchins_wk | rhenani: So did you have a question? |
| 17:16.08 | rhenani | montel: sorry about that * |
| 17:16.34 | Moviuro | rhenani, everything is written in your post |
| 17:16.40 | Moviuro | *paste |
| 17:16.55 | rhenani | jhutchins_wk: Yes I am trying to ssh a machine I just formated and it launches this error |
| 17:17.04 | rhenani | jhutchins_wk: http://paste.debian.net/219870/ |
| 17:17.05 | xand | that's not really an error |
| 17:17.11 | jhutchins_wk | rhenani: Right. Read what the message says. |
| 17:17.12 | ompaul | rhenani: given what you got yesterday --- on the machine you are on you need to type this twice ssh-keygen -R 192.168.77.251 |
| 17:17.20 | Moviuro | delete line 5 of your /root/.ssh/known_hosts file and be happy ;) |
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| 17:17.32 | xand | probably also line 6 |
| 17:17.33 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Yeah, he's got keys. |
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| 17:18.00 | jhutchins_wk | xand: Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:5 |
| 17:18.04 | xand | yes |
| 17:18.15 | montel | why are you logged in as room rhenani ? |
| 17:18.22 | montel | root* |
| 17:18.32 | xand | it'll probably complain about the IP address one too though |
| 17:18.36 | rhenani | montel: I normally use to it.. |
| 17:18.44 | Ak | Hello what is the procedure to manually install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-46_amd64.deb ?Could som1 give me a hint? |
| 17:18.48 | xand | rhenani: you shouldn't use root for everything. |
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| 17:20.09 | babilen | Ak: You can install packages with "dpkg -i the.deb" -- But why can't you install that package from the repository? |
| 17:20.25 | rhenani | xand: Thnaks for your advise |
| 17:20.27 | rhenani | Thanks guys |
| 17:20.33 | Ak | i m having some wireless problems on a vanilla crunchbang10 install |
| 17:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | !crunchbang |
| 17:20.43 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 17:20.45 | xand | Ak: ask the crunchband channel :) |
| 17:20.47 | Ak | witchmeans no internet on laptop :P |
| 17:20.54 | xand | *bang |
| 17:20.59 | rhenani | Now i got access to it, Maybe for you guys it's easy but, for someone else (me), need help |
| 17:21.00 | ompaul | Ak: install using debian we can help |
| 17:21.01 | Ak | No1 responded there |
| 17:21.08 | xand | Ak: sorry but that's not our problem :) |
| 17:21.14 | rhenani | I guees all of you must be a master of linux and system engineering |
| 17:21.26 | xand | rhenani: well you're learn |
| 17:21.27 | xand | er |
| 17:21.29 | jhutchins_wk | Ak: It may be better supported through the mailing lists. |
| 17:21.29 | xand | you'll :( |
| 17:21.30 | rhenani | because sometimes it seems like if you know everything about linux |
| 17:21.42 | babilen | Ak: We only support pure Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Please either install Debian or ask in #crunchbang -- Thank you. |
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| 17:22.02 | jhutchins_wk | rhenani: Collectively we know a lot. Individually we vary from new users to old masters. |
| 17:22.20 | Ak | well,thank you for the responces.I ll keep poking @ #! channel |
| 17:22.28 | babilen | merci |
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| 17:23.04 | montel | i remember when i first used ssh. was so excited |
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| 17:24.05 | rhenani | jhutchins_wk: =) |
| 17:24.27 | oldtopman | How does one go about downloading a package for debian manually, from another distro? |
| 17:24.44 | xand | what do you mean "from another distro"? |
| 17:24.59 | oldtopman | I have a laptop that needs some packages for a 4318 chip, and I can't download it from the laptop (obviously). |
| 17:25.18 | montel | oldtopman, what distro do you want to download from? |
| 17:25.33 | oldtopman | I'm using Slackware at the moment. |
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| 17:26.29 | montel | oldtopman, you can download the files from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:26.49 | oldtopman | montel: Perfect! Thanks! |
| 17:27.01 | montel | :) |
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| 17:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-zip |
| 17:29.40 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 17:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I totally misunderstood that question |
| 17:29.48 | zutme | I have an LVM question. So I had a physical volume. and I accidentally re-wrote it's partition table. So I found some information on the internet about using pvcreate --uuid to recreate the pv, but when I try to do that I get the error message "Device /dev/sdf not found (or ignored by filtering) " Any ideas? |
| 17:29.53 | TomyLobo | so, i installed vsftpd... i expected the folder to host to be in that config file, but i cant find it |
| 17:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought you wanted install a package *for* another distro |
| 17:30.14 | jhutchins_wk | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, that's what I thought at first too. |
| 17:30.14 | simonlnu | Whoah, hehe |
| 17:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and - I was coming to that - oldtopman look at apt zip (see factoid above) |
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| 17:31.22 | oldtopman | :o |
| 17:31.26 | oldtopman | That's pretty clever! |
| 17:31.36 | oldtopman | Well, if this doesn't work, I'll try that. |
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| 17:32.36 | vt0r | TomyLobo, usually each user will connect to his/her own home directory with vsftpd, or just about any other FTP daemon |
| 17:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oldtopman, you can also do apt-get install --print-uri <some-package> and apt-get will give you the download-urls for all packages it wants |
| 17:32.50 | TomyLobo | vt0r i did not enable "allow local users to connect" |
| 17:33.07 | TomyLobo | also, where does anonymous go to? |
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| 17:34.08 | vt0r | Ah ok. Are you allowing anonymous logins? |
| 17:34.16 | vt0r | If so, configure anon_root to determine that directory |
| 17:34.20 | TomyLobo | no, but i figured that would be somewhere |
| 17:34.45 | TomyLobo | since anon access worked (in the default config) and gave me an empty dir |
| 17:34.46 | thunder1212 | hi, i have a laptop and i want to use debian. but when i install debian, the graphics is not perfect. plz help.. |
| 17:34.47 | vt0r | Also, for the default root, it's the root of the ftp_username |
| 17:35.08 | vt0r | So if the user "ftp" runs the server, ftp's home directory is your default location |
| 17:35.14 | babilen | thunder1212: Which version of Debian do you install and which graphic card do you have? |
| 17:35.17 | vt0r | s/server/daemon/ |
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| 17:35.35 | TomyLobo | what i want is a set of user/password pairs specifically for the ftp server |
| 17:35.51 | TomyLobo | so i dont get all the shebang attached to a user account |
| 17:36.07 | TomyLobo | that i'd have to manually get rid of |
| 17:36.13 | TomyLobo | (and know of too) |
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| 17:36.26 | thunder1212 | babilen: i tried debian 6.0.6 . laptop is vostro dell 1450 |
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| 17:36.57 | TomyLobo | essentially it should work like htpasswd :) |
| 17:37.38 | TomyLobo | i'm not particularly attached to vsftpd either, that's just what 2 people here recommended when i asked with these requirements earlier |
| 17:38.12 | babilen | thunder1212: You definitely need a newer kernel (and probably firmware) for that hardware. What do you plan to use it for? |
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| 17:38.37 | vt0r | TomyLobo, try this: http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ |
| 17:38.58 | oldtopman | Alright, I have the debian packages installing, but firmware-b43-installer needs internet to download the firmware. Ideas? |
| 17:39.47 | babilen | oldtopman: Connect your computer to the internet? |
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| 17:40.08 | oldtopman | babilen: If I could do that, I wouldn't be installing network drivers :x |
| 17:40.37 | babilen | oldtopman: So you have no alternative to wireless? (no ethernet?) |
| 17:40.59 | xand | wonders why oldtopman is asking here? |
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| 17:41.14 | xand | oh, I see. |
| 17:42.59 | oldtopman | How do you install broadcom drivers without internet access on the target computer? |
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| 17:43.27 | babilen | oldtopman: You need /some/ internet access -- fwiw, you can do what the firmware installer does automatically by hand. The procedure to extract firmware with b43-fwcutter is detailed on http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 17:44.07 | oldtopman | babilen: By /some/, will internet on another computer work? |
| 17:44.15 | jhutchins_wk | !b43 |
| 17:44.15 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:44.49 | babilen | oldtopman: The target system doesn't really care /where/ the firmware is from as long as it finds it in /lib/firmware -- You could extract it on another system and copy it over or simply connect your computer via ethernet |
| 17:45.08 | oldtopman | babilen: The laptop has a 4301 ethernet card :l |
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| 17:45.16 | oldtopman | But /lib/firmware...will do. |
| 17:46.24 | babilen | oldtopman: Isn't the broadcom 4301 a wireless adaptor? |
| 17:46.48 | pmo | afaik yes |
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| 17:47.11 | oldtopman | That's what I thought! |
| 17:47.41 | MachinaeWolf | How do I get flash games running? I had it working with wine before but now it doesn't work :/ |
| 17:48.02 | babilen | oldtopman: Could you give me its pciid (run "lspci -nn|grep -i ether" and quote the alphanumerical identifier at the end [abcd:1234]) |
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| 17:51.13 | girffe | Hi #debian, I'm trying to install nvidia proprietary drivers right now, following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configure_X_to_use_the_nvidia_driver. Currently, I have no xorg.conf file, and when I create one and restart X, it seems to freeze. It also locks me to tty7, so I can't get to a shell, and have to reboot in recovery to delete xorg.conf. Does anyone know what the problem might be? |
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| 17:52.01 | jhutchins_wk | girffe: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might know. |
| 17:52.16 | oldtopman | babilen: http://hastebin.com/xaqecuteka |
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| 17:52.34 | TomyLobo | i just did "useradd -d /var/ftp virtual" but it didn't create the folder |
| 17:52.39 | oldtopman | Also, I downloaded the firmware file and moved it to /lib/firmware with no success :/ |
| 17:52.40 | TomyLobo | the user was created |
| 17:52.47 | TomyLobo | is it supposed to be that way? |
| 17:52.58 | oldtopman | Still tried to download it from the internet. |
| 17:53.22 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:170c |
| 17:53.23 | judd | [14e4:170c] is 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:170c |
| 17:53.31 | montel | lol that video of linus saying f u to nvidia |
| 17:53.32 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell girffe about nvidia dkms |
| 17:53.57 | xsappyx | TomyLobo: you need -m to make the home dir |
| 17:54.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell oldtopman about bcm4401 |
| 17:54.27 | oldtopman | @.@ |
| 17:54.31 | babilen | oldtopman: AFAICT your NIC should work just fine. Do you have ethernet? |
| 17:54.44 | montel | girffe, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g |
| 17:54.47 | oldtopman | babilen: Yeah, lemme try it again. |
| 17:54.50 | babilen | oldtopman: What are you trying to express with "@.@" ? |
| 17:55.00 | babilen | oldtopman: Why didn't you try it earlier when I asked you? |
| 17:55.05 | TomyLobo | xsappyx thanks |
| 17:55.09 | oldtopman | babilen: Because I've tried it already! |
| 17:55.24 | TomyLobo | you guys and your backwards internet. i have the ETHERnet |
| 17:55.41 | oldtopman | But you never know, I'll try it again. |
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| 17:58.18 | oldtopman | babilen: Plugged in, ifconfig only reports lo. |
| 17:58.33 | b2coutts | girffe here, I get the line "No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)" in Xorg.0.log, for both the sample xorg.conf file, and the one autogenerated by nvidia-xconfig. Does this mean it isn't detecting my monitor? |
| 17:58.36 | babilen | oldtopman: Please run "ifconfig -a" |
| 17:59.04 | oldtopman | babilen: Aha, there it is. |
| 17:59.23 | babilen | b2coutts: The wiki page is (IMHO) horrible and causes us endless pain. Which nvidia card do you have? |
| 17:59.40 | b2coutts | babilen: GTX 680 |
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| 17:59.46 | oldtopman | So, at the risk of sounding like an idiot, how do I make it work? The network widget isn't showing up either |
| 17:59.51 | babilen | oldtopman: Do you have a DHCP stanza in /etc/network/interfaces are you using network-manager to manage your network? |
| 18:00.16 | babilen | oldtopman: How did you install Debian and which version did you install? (which image did you use?) |
| 18:00.22 | oldtopman | babilen: This is a clean install, haven't touched any of that. |
| 18:00.27 | oldtopman | Will check though. |
| 18:00.43 | babilen | b2coutts: One second -- I'll check which driver version supports your card. You are using squeeze, aren't you? |
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| 18:01.08 | babilen | oldtopman: Which image did you use for the installation? Did you install the desktop task? (gnome?) |
| 18:01.22 | oldtopman | babilen: i386 disc 1. |
| 18:01.32 | oldtopman | And yes, it's a standard install. |
| 18:01.46 | babilen | icecdocorp: CD1 ? |
| 18:01.49 | babilen | err |
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| 18:01.56 | babilen | oldtopman: CD1 or DVD1 ? |
| 18:02.01 | oldtopman | babilen: CD1. |
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| 18:02.13 | b2coutts | babilen: yeah, this is a fresh install of squeeze |
| 18:02.27 | b2coutts | babilen: the latest driver version ought to support the 680 |
| 18:02.38 | babilen | oldtopman: Ok, the problem with CD1 is is that it does /not/ contain network-manager-gnome and a number of other packages needed for a full Gnome installation. |
| 18:02.47 | oldtopman | oh :c |
| 18:02.56 | oldtopman | babilen: Will DVD1 do? |
| 18:03.14 | babilen | oldtopman: CD1 /without/ connecting your computer to the internet during the installation is certainly the worst possible choice for an installation :) |
| 18:03.24 | babilen | oldtopman: But it should be easy to fix this now (without reinstall) |
| 18:03.36 | oldtopman | babilen: Nah, I can just reinstall it :P |
| 18:03.43 | b2coutts | I guess worst-case scenario, I can install an open source driver to get X working properly, though I was hoping to be able to avoid switching to windows where possible |
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| 18:03.50 | oldtopman | Especially if it'll bite me later. |
| 18:03.59 | oldtopman | Thank you though! |
| 18:04.03 | babilen | oldtopman: Please run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" and tell me if you are being given an address please |
| 18:04.34 | babilen | oldtopman: I still need to know if you have an entry for eth0 (iface eth0 ...) in /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 18:04.37 | oldtopman | It works :D |
| 18:04.50 | oldtopman | And there is no entry for eth0 in there. |
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| 18:05.49 | oldtopman | babilen: For future reference, if I can't do CD1+internet, which CD/DVD's would I need to have a complete install of gnome, etc. |
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| 18:06.05 | oldtopman | I saw that I shouldn't download more than I needed from the download page :c |
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| 18:06.59 | babilen | oldtopman: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
| 18:07.14 | Horace | Hello, has this fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/996242 been ported to Squeeze? I currently have 1.1-2squeeze1 installed however I am getting "THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api"? Is there an alternative? |
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| 18:08.04 | oldtopman | lspci -nn|grep -i network |
| 18:08.07 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:08.08 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.64-3; experimental/non-free: 310.19-0+exp1 |
| 18:08.28 | oldtopmanserver | babilen: 02:03.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02) |
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| 18:09.12 | babilen | oldtopman: Ok, please run "apt-get install gnome network-manager-gnome firmware-b43-installer" and you should be done |
| 18:09.22 | zykotick9 | Horace: does using paste.debian.net work? "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 18:09.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell oldtopmanserver -about bcm4318 |
| 18:09.30 | oldtopman | Those are all the packages that are missing? |
| 18:09.48 | LtL | Horace: /msg dpkg pastebinit config |
| 18:09.50 | Horace | zykotick9: Let my try that |
| 18:10.01 | BCMM | trying to diagnose a problem with rasbpian and need the help of somebody with a "normal" (x86 or 64) debian box: which user and group owns your /dev/tty0? |
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| 18:10.33 | Horace | I rarely use 'pastebininit' and I was unaware it was configurable |
| 18:10.33 | babilen | oldtopman: Wenn, installing "gnome" will install the missing dependencies of that metapackage. network-manager-gnome is not absolutely necessary to list (but installing it manually won't hurt) and you need firmware |
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| 18:11.05 | Arrowmaster | BCMM: crw------- 1 root root 4, 0 Dec 22 18:44 /dev/tty0 |
| 18:11.07 | LtL | Horace: it is, its easy. |
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| 18:11.16 | BCMM | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 18:11.25 | oldtopmanserver | babilen: http://hastebin.com/firuhaloya |
| 18:11.31 | BCMM | that's odd, gentoo has it as root/tty and now i don't know which is "normal" |
| 18:11.39 | xsappyx | BCMM: same here as Arrowmaster |
| 18:11.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell oldtopmanserver -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 18:11.59 | xsappyx | BCMM: an ubuntu box here is root:tty was well |
| 18:12.28 | babilen | oldtopmanserver: Fix your sources.list (you should end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/219883/) and run "apt-get update" |
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| 18:12.42 | babilen | b2coutts: (I did not forget about you) |
| 18:12.52 | Horace | LtL: That did the trick. Thinks for the tip. |
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| 18:13.17 | BCMM | xsappyx: i'm kind of surprised there is no convention for a thing like that... thanks for the information everybody |
| 18:14.04 | babilen | b2coutts: That is a /really/ new card isn't it? I don't even see it listed as being supported in ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/313.09/README/README.txt which is the newest linux driver |
| 18:14.18 | babilen | b2coutts: Could you give me its pciid (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) please? |
| 18:14.22 | b2coutts | babilen: It was released around may of this year |
| 18:14.47 | b2coutts | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1180] (rev a1) |
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| 18:15.47 | babilen | ta |
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| 18:16.17 | wols | babilen: it is supported by 313 |
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| 18:16.30 | oldtopman | babilen: Alright, got it working; thanks! |
| 18:16.41 | wols | babilen: the chip is ~6 months old now and series 300 drivers are made for it |
| 18:16.54 | oldtopman | What should I use to install Debian in the future, since most of my installs are sans-internet? |
| 18:17.14 | b2coutts | babilen: also, it looks like the gtx 680 is listed in the appendix of the file you linked |
| 18:17.23 | PerfDave | oldtopman: Something that isn't the netinstaller? Personally, I tend to jigdo the first DVD, that's got pretty much everything I want. |
| 18:17.34 | babilen | wols: yeah (my problem was that the stupid README.txt didn't load completely and that a search failed due to that reason) |
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| 18:17.41 | wols | babilen: same here :) |
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| 18:17.50 | oldtopman | PerfDave: Alright, thanks! |
| 18:18.13 | wols | babilen: does a SSB even work for nvidia drivers since X ABI changed? |
| 18:18.16 | babilen | b2coutts, wols: If one of those README.txt loads for you -- Which is the lowest driver version that supports that card? I would expect 304 / 310 or 313 to support it, but it would be nice to know |
| 18:18.17 | PerfDave | wonders if there's a way to feed his installed package list into a jigdo file to build custom installer images with the crap I want on... |
| 18:18.38 | babilen | wols: backporting nvidia drivers is a bit hard, but doable (I won't spoon-feed that tonight though) |
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| 18:18.53 | wols | babilen: what else can you do? |
| 18:18.55 | Guest88724 | hello all, I registered a domain on godaddy and there is not possible to put IP on dns server, how can I use my machine to create a reverse dns like ns1.servername.com to put there? |
| 18:19.10 | tubaman | I'm running a server, can I apt-get remove dbus? |
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| 18:19.34 | babilen | wols, b2coutts: My train of thoughts is rather: Just install wheezy and install either 304 from wheezy or 310 from experimental. It would be problematic if 313 is needed, but nvidia's server seems to be broken and I can't check |
| 18:19.48 | wols | babilen: 304 will work |
| 18:19.52 | babilen | sure? |
| 18:20.01 | Guest88724 | someone could help me? |
| 18:20.01 | wols | from 296 onwards or so, kepler is supported |
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| 18:20.36 | DeltaHeavy | Hey, I'm running Debian Squeeze in a VirtualBox VM. I booted it today and everything's super huge like it's at half my resolution. My font's right and my resolution setting's right. Anybody know how I can fix this? |
| 18:20.53 | babilen | b2coutts: Ok, in that case: What do you plan to use the box for and would it be okay to use install a development release (i.e. wheezy/testing) ? Wheezy will most likely be released within the next 6 months (rather earlier) and it would make it easy for you to install the nvidia driver version that supports your card |
| 18:21.05 | PerfDave | Guest88724: What are you trying to achieve? You want to run an authoritative nameserver for your domain on some Internet-facing machine? |
| 18:21.05 | babilen | wols: Would the backported version support it too? |
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| 18:21.44 | wols | babilen: of course. |
| 18:21.49 | oldtopman | Again, thanks a million babilen! |
| 18:21.58 | babilen | oldtopman: You are welcome -- Everyhting fine now? |
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| 18:22.10 | babilen | wols: Ah, ok. Wheezy is not needed in that case. |
| 18:22.23 | Guest88724 | PerfDave: I'm trying to put my domain online, I have a IP of my machine, and I needed to have something like ns1.dnsname.com |
| 18:22.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell b2coutts -about nvidia dkms bdo |
| 18:22.27 | Guest88724 | did u got it? |
| 18:22.45 | wols | babilen: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-304.51-driver.html note about what's supported there: 660 and the like which came WAY after the 680 |
| 18:22.51 | b2coutts | babilen: I need to get 3 monitors working, and would ideally like to do some gaming as well |
| 18:23.01 | b2coutts | development releases would be fine |
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| 18:23.12 | Guest88724 | PerfDave: what I need do? |
| 18:23.27 | monoseo | hello @all |
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| 18:24.29 | babilen | b2coutts: Well, you have multiple options: 1. Install and use squeeze, but install nvidia-kernel-dkms from squeeze-backports. (wols has to talk you through this, enable <bdo> and follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" but use "-t squeeze-backports" when installing nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:25.16 | Guest88724 | PerfDave: how to create a sub domain for example? ns1. to be on dnsname.com and on the network |
| 18:25.17 | babilen | b2coutts: 2. Install and use wheezy (next stable release, not yet released) and follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" -- Use image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ for the installation |
| 18:25.32 | Guest88724 | I tried using bind9 but failed |
| 18:26.07 | Guest88724 | PerfDave: could you gently help me? |
| 18:26.14 | babilen | b2coutts: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ; aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" is what you want after you enabled backports (for squeeze) |
| 18:26.16 | PerfDave | Guest88724: I don't think you understand how DNS works. What is your domain name? |
| 18:26.31 | babilen | bbl |
| 18:26.54 | Arrowmaster | Guest88724: you need to go onto godaddys site and register a name server, contact godaddy support if you need more assistance in this |
| 18:27.03 | Guest88724 | tina.net PerfDave |
| 18:27.53 | Guest88724 | Arrowmaster: yes I need nameserver, but I have an IP |
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| 18:28.22 | Arrowmaster | right, creating ns1.yourdomain is done through godaddy not on a server |
| 18:28.34 | Guest88724 | how could I solve it, it's all I need |
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| 18:29.12 | Guest88724 | I got it |
| 18:29.50 | nisaarally | jelly-home u around |
| 18:29.54 | Guest88724 | Arrowmaster: and in the case I they dont accept IPs just to make us pay for hosting? |
| 18:30.25 | Guest88724 | is it possible to register a free domain like ns1.co.cc |
| 18:30.44 | Guest88724 | and create a subdomain nameserver.ns1.co.cc |
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| 18:30.56 | Guest88724 | to use in my default domain? |
| 18:31.22 | Arrowmaster | no you need to register a nameserver for your domain through godaddy |
| 18:31.26 | Arrowmaster | they should not charge for this |
| 18:31.40 | Arrowmaster | if they do thats what you get for using a terrible registrar |
| 18:32.29 | Guest88724 | Arrowmaster: they do that |
| 18:33.04 | Guest88724 | it's impossible to put your IP there |
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| 18:33.42 | Arrowmaster | registering a nameserver is a completely different thing than setting up the dns servers for your domain |
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| 18:34.34 | Arrowmaster | Guest88724: see http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/668/registering-your-own-nameservershosts |
| 18:35.12 | Guest88724 | I understood now |
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| 18:35.36 | Guest88724 | I was missunderstanding the working of bind |
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| 18:39.20 | SiDz | .tk also offer free domain |
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| 18:50.41 | jelly-home | nisaarally: yes? |
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| 18:51.01 | PerfDave | jelly-home: No! |
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| 18:51.53 | jelly-home | kittens |
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| 19:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | then he's around! |
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| 19:03.22 | cactusbin | whats up fellow debian users |
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| 19:04.05 | cactusbin | is there a file that is executed on a laptop when it switches to battery power? |
| 19:04.24 | cactusbin | it keeps spinning down the harddrive and I always need to manually call hdparm -B |
| 19:04.25 | nkuttler | cactusbin: not by default i think, but you can create one |
| 19:04.38 | cactusbin | nkuttler: do you happen to know where> |
| 19:04.40 | nkuttler | cactusbin: check /etc/apm/ |
| 19:05.03 | nkuttler | er, /etc/acpi more likely |
| 19:05.27 | nkuttler | though /etc/apm gets installed by hdparm, go figure.. |
| 19:05.29 | cactusbin | nkuttler: theres an /etc/acpi/events/battery would that be it |
| 19:05.41 | nkuttler | cactusbin: no idea, read the file |
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| 19:08.09 | cactusbin | anybody here like to use tiling window managers? |
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| 19:12.06 | yux | squeeze has gnome 2 and wheezy has gnome 3? |
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| 19:14.57 | jelly-home | yux: yes |
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| 19:15.22 | yux | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:33.28 | SiDz | apache2 use which ssl file for ssl connection |
| 19:33.34 | SiDz | im trying to find that file |
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| 19:34.18 | SiDz | or to find where its specified in conf |
| 19:34.57 | SiDz | good i got it |
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| 19:43.56 | ksx4system | I have Samsung Wave 3 (badaOS 2.0 powered) phone and I wonder if it's possible to write SMS messages from my Debian based laptop after connecting phone via USB |
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| 19:45.05 | JBzh | I can't install nvidia-glx:i386 with aptitude without removing my x86_64 nvidia-glx package and some xserver-xorg packages, is there a way to do this without removing my current Xorg ? |
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| 19:46.13 | reuf | i am given user, hostname and private-key .ppk file to connect to remote hose (there is no password). so if i do it through putty or mremoteNG, sublime sftp plugin and such, i just provide the host, the username and the location of the .ppk keyfile and it connects me - however if i try to connect from the bash using: ssh -i private_key.ppk root@host - im asked for keyphrase which i have no clue what it is - and it fails toc connect - why does it work over putt |
| 19:46.18 | reuf | y, mremoteNG, or sublime sftp plugin, but it wont work from command line |
| 19:47.25 | PerfDave | reuf: Because OpenSSH and PuTTY use different formats of key files? PuTTY comes with a utility to convert between them. |
| 19:47.51 | reuf | PerfDave: thannks |
| 19:47.53 | reuf | let me try it |
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| 20:03.23 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.6) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 20:03.37 | qstns | Des iceweasel has java script interpreter bug? |
| 20:03.39 | qstns | *Does |
| 20:05.10 | pce | i don't know, but way is iceweasel not supported at google and facebook? |
| 20:05.11 | qstns | anyone with knowledge in area of iceweasel developement? |
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| 20:06.05 | qstns | 2 weeks ago my iceweasel started to not execute js scripts on few pages |
| 20:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | pce, the one in squeeze is a very old version of firefox now... and that'S because of debians stable concept... when a stable release is out, no new versions enter it during its life cycle |
| 20:06.26 | qstns | all was ok before |
| 20:06.35 | qstns | all is ok on firefoxes I tested |
| 20:06.38 | pce | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
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| 20:06.54 | qstns | CutMeOwnThroat: do you use iceweasel? |
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| 20:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pce, well, at least I guess that is the reason :) |
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| 20:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | qstns, on some machines/sometimes |
| 20:08.05 | qstns | http://cupsell.pl/generator <-- can someone tell if can select any shirt here? There are thumbnails that after click should load bigger image. It's in polish but I think you can check it anyway :D |
| 20:08.23 | qstns | if nothing happens after click it means broken |
| 20:08.40 | jhutchins_wk | qstns: iceweasel IS firefox, but as Dibbler pointed out it's a bit old. |
| 20:08.42 | jhutchins_wk | !mdn |
| 20:08.42 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 20:09.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | qstns, works fine with squeezes iceweasel (and its chromium-browser) |
| 20:09.47 | qstns | mine is 17.0.1 |
| 20:09.54 | qstns | what's yours? |
| 20:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no picture shows up in the middle, but selecting the people on top works |
| 20:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3.5.16 |
| 20:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 20:10.38 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.11esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.11esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.11esr-1; |
| 20:10.39 | judd | experimental: 17.0.1-1 |
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| 20:11.00 | qstns | i'm on parabola distro BTW |
| 20:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | qstns, that is your problem, alright |
| 20:11.16 | qstns | but asking here to check if working for yours ice |
| 20:11.25 | jhutchins_wk | qstns: Then nothing we tell you will be valid for your system. |
| 20:11.26 | qstns | CutMeOwnThroat: ya |
| 20:11.46 | qstns | jhutchins_wk: ya i Know, just need to check if yours version is ok |
| 20:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | to quote a wise and knowledgable guy... |
| 20:12.02 | qstns | so then i can rant on bugtracq of parabola |
| 20:12.08 | qstns | :D |
| 20:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | qstns, We only support pure Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
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| 20:12.43 | qstns | CutMeOwnThroat: I have stated why I ask here. I do not need support. Just checking thigs |
| 20:12.52 | qstns | thanky yyou |
| 20:14.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | qstns, try as a different user if you have root-access and can make one |
| 20:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 20:15.55 | qstns | CutMeOwnThroat: does error console produce any "errors"? |
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| 20:16.33 | JBzh | it's a bit hard to install World of Warcraft with Debian and Wine.. |
| 20:16.57 | qstns | JBzh: Play ryzom then :P |
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| 20:19.29 | d4rkh4nd | Anyone know a active C++ channel lol i just tryed like 10 of them for a hr and nothing |
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| 20:20.22 | qstns | d4rkh4nd: #programming? |
| 20:20.26 | nkuttler | d4rkh4nd: try #freenode or #programming, or #c if you want to be brave |
| 20:21.12 | d4rkh4nd | #c is overflow right now |
| 20:21.19 | d4rkh4nd | ill try programming ty |
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| 20:25.58 | b3hnam | I upgraded my Debian Sid, I use Awesome WM I have intalled gnome-power-manager but now there is no gnome-power-manager in commands |
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| 20:29.30 | b3hnam | How can I run gnome-power-manager in awesome ? |
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| 20:30.10 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: Use dpkg to list the files in the package and figure out which is the command. It may be a gnome widget or something rather than an executable binary. |
| 20:31.16 | yux | guys how much space should I give to / if I'm going to set up a /home ? |
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| 20:33.23 | barfod | yux: if you arent storing data like .home. and yo udont have a large web server database in /var/www ...then you could install almost every linux package anyone would need in about 15GB |
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| 20:33.56 | yux | thanks barfod |
| 20:34.01 | barfod | so maybe make it 5-50gb depending on the size of your hard disk |
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| 20:34.18 | raul | made upgrade in wheezy. Lost framebuffer and video. |
| 20:34.29 | raul | is that still possible in 2012/2013? |
| 20:34.37 | JBzh | yux: currently I use 6.9Go for / with a separeted /home partition, and a full Gnome-shell installed |
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| 20:35.00 | yux | thanks JBzh |
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| 20:35.17 | yux | Is 90gb alright for / && /home/ ? |
| 20:35.45 | barfod | a total of 180 ? |
| 20:35.48 | yux | considering I'm going to use debian mainly for coding? |
| 20:35.55 | yux | a total of 90.. :s |
| 20:36.08 | b3hnam | jhutchins_wk: there is just gnome-statistics in /usr/bin |
| 20:36.08 | barfod | ah, yeah ofc. I am using a 40GB hdd right now |
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| 20:36.18 | yux | thanks guys. |
| 20:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | /home only you can know :) |
| 20:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/about/over/ |
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| 20:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | typically / with X and desktop is... oh, dunno, under 20G, I think |
| 20:38.09 | jhutchins_wk | Usually under 10. |
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| 20:38.38 | nightolo | hi there, who manages wiki.debian.net? |
| 20:38.53 | nkuttler | nightolo: why do you ask? |
| 20:38.55 | nightolo | actually, .org :) |
| 20:40.05 | nightolo | nkuttler: because I'd like to talk with someone who can act on a "problem" that I've found :) |
| 20:40.10 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: Is there a README or README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/gnome-power-manager/? |
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| 20:41.00 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: That suggests that it's a gnome component and may not work in awesome. |
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| 20:41.29 | nkuttler | nightolo: what's the problem? |
| 20:41.32 | abailarri | Hello. Has anyone used ekiga? I can not register my user. I get an error |
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| 20:42.10 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: The awesome replacement is called PowerManagement |
| 20:42.13 | b3hnam | jhutchins_wk: Yes thanks, there is a gnome-settings-deamon |
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| 20:43.14 | b3hnam | jhutchins_wk: PoweManagement ? is it a package? |
| 20:43.31 | nightolo | nkuttler: unfortunately it's not something that I can discuss here, I've already written a mail to the security team though, so probably they will act :) |
| 20:43.40 | b3hnam | Is any other power manager in debian repository for awesome ? |
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| 20:44.00 | nkuttler | nightolo: well the contact info is in the footer |
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| 20:44.31 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 20:44.52 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: I don't know if that applies to Debian. |
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| 20:45.27 | nightolo | nkuttler: thanks, looking at it now |
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| 20:46.45 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: This guy found other ways to replace gnome components on awesome: http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2012-awesome-wm.html |
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| 20:48.20 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: Here's a way to launch the gnome stufff: http://twobit.us/blog/2010/11/getting-started-with-the-awesome-window-manager/ |
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| 20:48.30 | jhutchins_wk | b3hnam: With that I leave you to google for yourself. |
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| 20:49.28 | nisaarally | jelly-home |
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| 20:53.53 | kruug | I'm running Debian Squeeze x64, trying to add multi-arch support in dpkg, but it states that I have the most recent version at 1.15.8.13, but the wiki says 1.16.2+ is available. Any way to upgrade manually? |
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| 20:55.39 | abrotman | kruug: squeeze's dpkg doesn't have multiarch |
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| 20:57.11 | kruug | abrotman: I understand that. Is there a way to manually update to the most recent version of dpkg without migrating away from stable? |
| 20:57.32 | kruug | Hence why I asked: Any way to upgrade manually? |
| 20:57.50 | dondelelcaro | kruug: you have to be running at least wheezy for multiarch to do anything |
| 20:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | kruug: multiarch will not work in squeeze even if you mess with dpkg. |
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| 20:57.59 | dondelelcaro | kruug: there aren't any multiarch packages in squeeze. |
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| 20:59.08 | raul_ | I upgraded my wheezy. Clean clean. No non-free drivers. No shit. Just an icewm i ran through startx. On first attempst of startx .. i get EE on xorg.log failing to load keymap |
| 20:59.24 | raul_ | on second startup of startx i get a X dump failing on libc |
| 20:59.41 | raul_ | on third startx i get stuck, having to boot manually |
| 20:59.50 | nkuttler | !tell raul_ about errors |
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| 21:00.27 | kruug | Would I lose any major functionality if I upgraded my system to Wheezy? I currently use it as a media server using MediaTomb and a samba share box. |
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| 21:03.32 | raul_ | pastebin.com/PKFjif3e# |
| 21:03.53 | raul_ | (i hope, iam stuck with gpm and text console) |
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| 21:05.04 | nkuttler | raul_: um, is xkbcomp available? |
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| 21:05.31 | raul_ | i'm installing it |
| 21:05.38 | raul_ | (X did run before upgrade) |
| 21:06.01 | nkuttler | how did you install xorg? the package depends on xkbcomp |
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| 21:06.32 | raul_ | xkbcomp is in a package called x11-xkb-utils |
| 21:06.42 | nkuttler | sure |
| 21:06.45 | raul_ | i --reinstall installed it |
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| 21:07.01 | raul_ | still same prob.. same error |
| 21:07.34 | nkuttler | raul_: start with an apt-get -f install |
| 21:07.55 | raul_ | ok, done. nothing to correct |
| 21:08.08 | nkuttler | raul_: apt-cache policy xorg |
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| 21:09.03 | raul_ | (installato: Nessuno) (candidato: 1:7.7+1) |
| 21:09.22 | raul_ | ok that makes it |
| 21:09.25 | raul_ | :) maybe |
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| 21:10.07 | raul_ | i've always worked my way with just xserver-xorg |
| 21:10.21 | raul_ | guess thing's changed |
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| 21:11.54 | PerfDave | Man, writing random data to a 600GB partition so it can be used for crypto is *sloooww* |
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| 21:12.54 | ldnblk | I have installed crda 1.1.2-1~bpo60+115.1.2-1~bpo60+1 and wireless-regdb. I have downloaded and unpacked compat-wireless 3.5.4-1 as instructed by the info on the website. on issuing the make command I get 2 make errors. /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: no such file or directory. Stop. [modules] Error 2. Is there anyone out there that can assist ? I am running debian 6.0.6 kernel 2.6.32-5 |
| 21:14.04 | dvs | ldnblk: What website are you referring to? |
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| 21:15.00 | Towzzer | I think he needs the kernel modules |
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| 21:15.04 | Towzzer | or the system links to them |
| 21:15.04 | wols | dvs: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/stable/ |
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| 21:15.48 | ldnblk | :wols thanks |
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| 21:15.54 | wols | ldnblk: what was the command you ran before "make"? |
| 21:15.54 | raul | ok i was dead |
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| 21:17.18 | ldnblk | :wols it was the tar command as in their website. |
| 21:17.21 | dvs | ldnblk: "You need kernel headers to compile compat-wireless" |
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| 21:18.27 | ldnblk | :dvs do you know where I can gay them from ? |
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| 21:18.56 | dvs | ldnblk: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:19.33 | wols | ldnblk: then you didn't follow their website. read it again |
| 21:19.44 | wols | ldnblk: especially the page I linked above |
| 21:19.57 | wols | dvs: kernel headers won't help when there is no makefile |
| 21:20.07 | dvs | ah. That would help too. |
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| 21:20.40 | dvs | I think it was complaining that the directory didn't exist |
| 21:20.44 | dvs | thought |
| 21:21.23 | Towzzer | so many times I've installed headers and didn't get the system links |
| 21:21.29 | wols | that maybe too. basically compat wireless doesn't know what driver it has to make cause he omitted some steps if untar was the last thing he did before make |
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| 21:23.15 | dvs | praises module assistant for being so simple. |
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| 21:27.02 | wols | never had a problem with compat wireless. but then I only used it once. then it worked however :) |
| 21:29.13 | pmo | i figured out its better to do research before you buy a wireless nic or a machine |
| 21:29.25 | pmo | for all hardware for that matter |
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| 21:30.26 | Towzzer | or use windows |
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| 21:31.37 | dvs | agrees with pmo |
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| 21:32.05 | pmo | Towzzer, ? heh |
| 21:32.16 | Towzzer | well you know what I mean |
| 21:32.22 | Towzzer | like if you are gaming or doing video and not server stuff |
| 21:32.25 | Towzzer | as a home machine |
| 21:32.34 | Towzzer | 7 isn't so bad |
| 21:32.37 | pmo | hmm for some i guess |
| 21:32.54 | pmo | i just need to be off windows to relax |
| 21:33.05 | pmo | netstat running 24/7 when im on windows |
| 21:33.05 | ksuhku | I'd rather have my both arm amputated than use windoze |
| 21:34.32 | Towzzer | so you are saying that if someone has no arms, perhaps due to a tragic banking related accident, they should use windows? |
| 21:34.36 | Towzzer | windows promoter! kick him! |
| 21:34.53 | dondelelcaro | please use #debian-offtopic if you need to be off topic. |
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| 21:37.06 | Towzzer | sorry |
| 21:37.26 | PerfDave | wols: So "I never had a problem" is as correct as "I only got it working once"? :p |
| 21:37.57 | wols | well spotted :P |
| 21:38.05 | wols | after that I used a newer kernel and had no need anymore |
| 21:38.29 | PerfDave | needs to make a note that the timekiller on Debian installs is the cryptdisk setup :/ |
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| 22:02.03 | rixt | Why doesn't the mouse cursor under Skype defaults to system-wide DMZ-White? Tried reading a bit on the subject, some folks said libxcursor was missing but it's not. Skype's 4.1 mouse cursor defaults to black and it's just annoying. If anyone has an idea on how to fix this... |
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| 22:05.42 | rgr | rixt: http://noobish-nix.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/skype-on-kubuntu-1204-64-bit-mouse.html |
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| 22:05.48 | rgr | might help |
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| 22:06.57 | rixt | rgr: yeah! |
| 22:07.01 | TomyLobo | vsftpd gives me "login incorrect". how do i diagnose that? |
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| 22:08.23 | TomyLobo | the tutorial i followed mentioned a "db3_load", which i couldnt find in the repo. i installed db[5.1]-util instead. i'm suspecting that mgiht be the problem |
| 22:09.26 | wols | why not simply install vsftpd from the repos? |
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| 22:10.05 | Towzzer | tomylobo - there is should be a vsftpd log that will tell you the exact problem |
| 22:10.06 | Towzzer | check /var/logs |
| 22:10.23 | TomyLobo | vsftpd.log only lists successful logins |
| 22:10.34 | TomyLobo | wols i did that |
| 22:10.36 | Towzzer | what does the ftp client report |
| 22:10.47 | TomyLobo | login incorrect |
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| 22:11.08 | TomyLobo | 530 |
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| 22:11.55 | Towzzer | log_ftp_protocol=YES |
| 22:11.57 | Towzzer | in the configu |
| 22:12.00 | Towzzer | and remove the other log |
| 22:12.06 | Towzzer | then it will give you more information |
| 22:12.07 | TomyLobo | hmm? |
| 22:12.10 | Towzzer | also check daemon.log |
| 22:12.20 | Towzzer | maybe it's reporting information there |
| 22:12.20 | TomyLobo | rm /var/log/vsftpd.log? |
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| 22:12.33 | Towzzer | ok |
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| 22:12.45 | Towzzer | http://www.howsyournetwork.com/index.php/cID/49dc4e37/ID/46313c25b3e1cb6ccc4b7dc48b403215/fuseaction/base.detail.htm |
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| 22:12.49 | Towzzer | i have to run, work over |
| 22:13.00 | TomyLobo | bye |
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| 22:24.33 | abailarri | Hello. my laptop webcam stopped working suddenly. I do not understand what happened. Anybody can help me? |
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| 22:24.50 | pce | yes abailarri |
| 22:24.53 | wols | abailarri: check the logs |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | abailarri: didn't we fix this yesterday? |
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| 22:25.46 | abailarri | abrotman, Yes, and so far has worked. But after installing Skype has stopped working. |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | you've checked with other apps? |
| 22:29.09 | abailarri | yes, with cheese |
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| 22:34.33 | monadicity | my terminal istoo hard to read becaose of the colors |
| 22:34.37 | monadicity | do you know how to fix it? |
| 22:34.44 | monadicity | exaxmple http://i.imgur.com/qJCFg.png |
| 22:35.00 | MrFrood | monadicity: which terminal? |
| 22:35.20 | dvs | monadicity: What's wrong with those colours? |
| 22:35.46 | rgr | monadicity: you have two options normally depending on the terminal. either the settings for that terminal (gnome terminal) or go the X resources route. |
| 22:36.01 | monadicity | the blue one is too hard to read |
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| 22:36.18 | MrFrood | monadicity: which term? |
| 22:36.24 | monadicity | its LXTerminal |
| 22:36.36 | monadicity | what? |
| 22:37.03 | monadicity | how should I edit x resources? |
| 22:37.10 | MrFrood | iirc vte based terms you chan chang using the buit in settings manager |
| 22:37.11 | rgr | google has loads of hits for lxterminal colours |
| 22:38.39 | MrFrood | hates vte based terms with an unnatural passion |
| 22:38.46 | nkuttler | monadicity: what do you mean? with an editor? |
| 22:38.57 | monadicity | I want to change the color so i can readit |
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| 22:39.19 | nkuttler | monadicity: the man page should be a good start |
| 22:39.28 | monadicity | help |
| 22:39.48 | rgr | monadicity: normally you add the app specifix xresources to .Xdefaults and then xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults. It'll be a google away. Asuming it doesnt have a built in palette editor. |
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| 22:40.22 | monadicity | thanks |
| 22:40.27 | xsappyx | monadicity: is that png in a shell (which?) or an editor? |
| 22:40.58 | monadicity | its gp |
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| 22:42.13 | rgr | reading google you might be better off using gnome-terminal or xterm anyway... |
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| 22:42.32 | monadicity | thank you i will |
| 22:42.54 | rgr | what editor were you using in it anyway? |
| 22:42.58 | monadicity | gp |
| 22:43.18 | rgr | oh, never heard of it. |
| 22:43.51 | xsappyx | looks like there is a darkbg option for gp |
| 22:44.00 | rgr | hmm neither has google with my search seed. oh well ;) |
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| 22:46.40 | haylo | monadicity: cat /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color |
| 22:46.45 | MrFrood | ooo lx terminal is just a wrapper for xterm not vte based, nice |
| 22:46.52 | haylo | you can set the color of xterm with that file if yo uneed to |
| 22:46.53 | babilen | is happily using rxvt-unicode-256color (where is my u?) with the following settings: http://paste.debian.net/219945/ (sid) |
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| 22:47.16 | babilen | Simply setting that colourscheme changes it for a number of applications |
| 22:47.46 | haylo | babilen: the rxvt-unicode-256color ? |
| 22:47.53 | haylo | or the one i said ? |
| 22:47.54 | MrFrood | rxvt-unicode-256color rocks |
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| 22:48.00 | xsappyx | monadicity: check out the "darkbg" to the colors option.. it might make those blues bolder / look better |
| 22:48.37 | babilen | haylo: I am referring to the *colorN[N] settings in the Xresources I pasted |
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| 22:48.57 | haylo | ok, cool. I just wanted to make sure i didnt link something that would cause other changes |
| 22:49.03 | haylo | understood |
| 22:50.58 | nkuttler | fwiw, my rxvt-unicode-256color doesn't display 256 colors :\ only xterm does. never debugged it though |
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| 22:51.29 | nkuttler | or maybe my test script is flawed.. |
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| 22:52.25 | babilen | uses http://paste.debian.net/219946/ |
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| 22:53.20 | nkuttler | babilen: that doesn't seem to do much interesting besides changing a few specific colors? |
| 22:53.43 | nkuttler | maybe i should try a real urxvt, not a urxvtc |
| 22:53.58 | nkuttler | yes, that works :\ |
| 22:54.54 | MrFrood | nkuttler: echo $TERM |
| 22:55.19 | nkuttler | can't even remember why he uses urxvtd/c |
| 22:55.24 | nkuttler | MrFrood: xterm in both |
| 22:55.25 | MrFrood | urxvtc fine here |
| 22:55.28 | nkuttler | hrm |
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| 22:55.56 | babilen | nkuttler: That should be "rxvt-unicode-256color" not "xterm" -- Do you set it somewhere? |
| 22:56.10 | nkuttler | babilen: probably. let me check |
| 22:56.39 | MrFrood | nkuttler: toe -a | grep rxvt-unicode |
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| 22:57.54 | MrFrood | should give you what babilen said - babilen you make it too easy for them :P |
| 22:58.24 | babilen | hehe |
| 22:58.28 | nkuttler | babilen: cheers. some of bash includes set that, not sure why. 256 colors in urxvtc |
| 22:58.33 | nkuttler | of my |
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| 22:58.49 | babilen | +1 |
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| 23:01.35 | nkuttler | now i need to find some good uses for 256 terminal colors.. |
| 23:01.54 | MrFrood | nkuttler: elinks |
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| 23:03.43 | MrFrood | text mode browsing with 256 colours and transparancy <-- totally unreadable but looks nice :| |
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| 23:04.38 | nkuttler | vim does 256 colors. maybe i can get some nicer highlighting.. |
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| 23:05.40 | MrFrood | dunno, I just use rubyblue when I use vim but I mostly just use nvi |
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| 23:06.22 | nkuttler | i use the built-in color scheme. never liked anything else i tried |
| 23:06.58 | nevyn | :set bg dark is about the only thing I do |
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| 23:08.50 | MrFrood | I have quite long configs for both vim & nvi but it's mostly keybindings and setting the status line |
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| 23:09.17 | nevyn | I keep meaning to install vim-fugative |
| 23:09.38 | MrFrood | ? |
| 23:09.50 | hjohnson | runs his terminals in ye olde wyse look. |
| 23:09.57 | nevyn | scripts for git integration |
| 23:09.59 | hjohnson | light green text on dark green background. |
| 23:10.32 | nevyn | MrFrood: it's a set of vimscripts to do git stuff within vim |
| 23:11.11 | nevyn | https://github.com/tpope/vim-fugitive |
| 23:11.15 | babilen | nevyn: and it is fugitive |
| 23:11.22 | nkuttler | hjohnson: more power to you |
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| 23:11.30 | nevyn | babilen: yes I can't spell thanks for pointing that out ;) |
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| 23:19.43 | MrFrood | nevyn: looks like one of those things that is tying to turn vim into emacs :| |
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| 23:22.46 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: you remember when I asked you to try my directory? Turns out, it wasn't secured. |
| 23:23.20 | ManoftheSea | it was just obscured. If you were to do a tls handshake and accept any server cert, you could still have read the directory. |
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| 23:23.45 | ManoftheSea | Now, it requires authentication. |
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| 23:24.33 | ManoftheSea | I'm using SASL EXTERNAL with per-machine client certs. |
| 23:24.46 | ManoftheSea | This is on debian. Yay debian. |
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| 23:24.57 | under | Hi |
| 23:25.29 | ManoftheSea | hi under. |
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| 23:25.58 | under | I have a problem. I install pisg package and I get this error: http://ideone.com/gG5Tsa |
| 23:26.03 | ManoftheSea | do you know the fifth question: who, what, when, why, and ...? |
| 23:26.08 | under | how can I install my language locale file? |
| 23:26.37 | ManoftheSea | "apt-get install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 23:27.09 | under | thanks |
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| 23:32.01 | under | it's installing all locales, lol |
| 23:32.15 | kriz1 | Hi. I need rotate my screen in console to upside down. How I can this execute ? |
| 23:32.46 | Jamie96 | Anybody have any clues on putting lenny on a Seagate NAS 110? I can only pray for someone with experience in it but.... |
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| 23:33.24 | LtL | kriz1: man xrandr ; something like xrandr -o something-here |
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| 23:34.11 | nevyn | MrFrood: and yes it is ;) |
| 23:34.19 | LtL | kriz1: look for the -o option invert |
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| 23:34.45 | haylo | Jamie96: put squeeze or wheezy on it. lenny is to old |
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| 23:35.24 | Jamie96 | I've read that lenny is the only possibility. Something about the kernel being incompatable. |
| 23:35.53 | Jamie96 | Unfortunately my linux experience is only in usage, kernel is beyond me. |
| 23:36.14 | haylo | Jamie96: . hmm. I would think that is old codumentation. Usually when you hear "this cant do that" it is misinformation |
| 23:36.17 | MrFrood | nevyn: eek! |
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| 23:38.31 | Jamie96 | haylo: http://forums.seagate.com/t5/BlackArmor-NAS-Network-Storage/Install-Debian-GNU-Linux-5-0-7-Lenny-on-the-Blackarmor-220-NAS/td-p/79422 |
| 23:38.51 | copec | How can I turn off makefile style concurrent boot in unstable? |
| 23:39.03 | Jamie96 | haylo: " - Do not *upgrade* the Debian system. The linux kernel image (NAND partition 4) is compatible with Debian Lenny. The latest Debian versions (Squeeze ...) require an updated kernel udev subsystem and therefore you would have to update the kernel image first." |
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| 23:39.34 | copec | I set concurrency=none in /etc/default/rcS, but it doesn't seem to have changed the behavior |
| 23:39.37 | haylo | Jamie96: any article saying dont upgrade to squeeze, is really outdated :P |
| 23:40.01 | haylo | im sure support would have picked up in an other way by now. but im reading |
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| 23:40.20 | Jamie96 | haylo: Although my client would not let me post the whole thing, it continues on to say "As of now, nobody has done this laborious work (forward port Seagates h/w-specific patches, compile and test the kernel) " |
| 23:40.56 | nevyn | MrFrood: vim always was tho |
| 23:41.05 | nevyn | MrFrood: vi might not have been.. but who uses that. |
| 23:41.11 | somiaj | yea if your vps provides you the kernel from the host, you can't upgrade. |
| 23:41.28 | haylo | ok understood Jamie96 . I just spent almost 300 hours straight forking some old version of debian for a reason like this though. |
| 23:41.38 | haylo | just was a warning on my behalf. :P |
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| 23:42.34 | kriz1 | LtL: Can't open display ? |
| 23:42.41 | abrotman | copec: as a hyunjch, probably have to regen the initramfs |
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| 23:43.52 | LtL | kriz1: I can't say I have ever tried it, are you root |
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| 23:46.27 | LtL | kriz1: xrandr may require X so you may need another method. |
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| 23:57.17 | pythonsnake | can a chroot virtually do anything like a real root can do? |
| 23:57.32 | pythonsnake | -can do |
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| 23:58.16 | wols | pythonsnake: different roots |
| 23:58.31 | wols | chroot = change root DIRECTORY. root = root user |
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| 23:59.13 | ManoftheSea | pythonsnake: your question is confusing, would you clarify yourself |
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