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| 00:03.44 | kveroneau | Has a release date been set for Wheezy? |
| 00:04.17 | Jamie96 | haylo: So if I followed that tut to the letter and successfully installed lenny, do you think I would run into any major issues? Would I still be able to install samba, transmission, bind(dns), webmin etc? Or is lenny just that old? |
| 00:04.32 | babilen | kveroneau: No - I've heard March, but it will be released once it is ready |
| 00:04.34 | wols | kveroneau: /msg dpkg wwwr |
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| 00:05.42 | kveroneau | Haha, once it's ready. Thought so. I'm just excited about using the new KDE version. |
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| 00:06.44 | kveroneau | KDE 4.4.5 is getting rather old. And I don't really want to use testing. |
| 00:06.50 | pythonsnake | wols: ManoftheSea: like run daemons, services, etc.? |
| 00:07.51 | homes | e17? |
| 00:08.17 | ManoftheSea | pythonsnake: yes, you can run daemons and services from a chroot. |
| 00:09.05 | pythonsnake | so i can do anything like a root but without changing anything in my . |
| 00:09.07 | kveroneau | Also Python is a tad old on Squeeze. |
| 00:10.33 | kveroneau | Has newer versions of Python been backported? And how safe is it to use on Squeeze? Since lots of Debian's system utilities use Python. |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | kveroneau: wheezy is nearing release, within a few months is likely |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | kveroneau: and no .. no backport for python |
| 00:10.59 | ManoftheSea | pythonsnake what do you mean your period. If chroot affects your period, please see your doctor. |
| 00:11.03 | homes | ponders switching to wheezy |
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| 00:26.46 | dokma|2 | I keep getting Error: /dev/md0: unrecognized disk label from parted -l on a stable system |
| 00:26.54 | dokma|2 | nick dokma |
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| 00:27.03 | dokma | check it out: http://pastebin.com/zkjjCyAg |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | Is there a method to open/edit an MDI wiht linux? |
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| 00:31.46 | babilen | abrotman: Best bet is probably libreoffice, but I have absolutely no idea |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | tried GIMP .. it fails |
| 00:32.53 | Towzzer | dokma, is it GPT? |
| 00:33.06 | Towzzer | because that has a backup at the end of the disk, so it will work but the label would report bad in parted, I think |
| 00:33.39 | dokma | Towzzer: msdos |
| 00:33.45 | Towzzer | hm |
| 00:33.51 | Towzzer | oh |
| 00:33.59 | Towzzer | gosh, that's a MD device |
| 00:34.15 | dokma | yes |
| 00:34.22 | Towzzer | does parted work with them? |
| 00:34.34 | dokma | well it does see it and it does display it |
| 00:34.35 | xsappyx | dokma: what about the raw disks part of that md? |
| 00:34.55 | dokma | xsappyx: I'm not following you ... |
| 00:35.20 | dokma | it's raid1 made out of sda1 and sdb1 |
| 00:35.47 | Towzzer | parted /dev/sda print |
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| 00:37.32 | TechDesk | i have a joke, ready ? |
| 00:37.38 | dokma | there is just one primary partition taking 100% of the disk |
| 00:38.07 | Towzzer | I don't know what parted does with MD devices |
| 00:38.08 | TechDesk | ftp://88.190.40.225/whyusehttp/index.txt |
| 00:38.22 | Towzzer | I get that joke |
| 00:38.28 | TechDesk | >< |
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| 00:39.08 | ompaul | abrotman: been searching since you asked, it appears to require msoffice 03 or 07 |
| 00:39.10 | ompaul | sorry |
| 00:39.21 | Towzzer | I'll open it for you and then save it as a pdf or something |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | Towzzer: automated fasion |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | fashion |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | ompaul: that seems silly .. it's an image format .. |
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| 00:41.27 | ompaul | abrotman: it appears to be a corruption of tiff evince seems to work on some one pagers |
| 00:41.29 | ompaul | which is strange |
| 00:41.34 | terr1 | Anyone experienced in fancontrol/lmsensors? Im running debian testing on kernel 3.7.1 (custom) on a Mac Mini. It dosent have a CPU fan but an "exaust fan". However this FAN seems to be stuck at minimum speed no matter what CPU temperture gets at.. Sensors command works and shows the info I need. I installed fancontrol but pwmconfig says it cannot find any sensor modules. I can manually manipulate |
| 00:41.35 | terr1 | fan info using /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_*. Any hints? |
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| 00:41.51 | ompaul | abrotman: various forums visited |
| 00:41.56 | ompaul | only one positive hit |
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| 00:42.57 | abrotman | ompaul: yeah .. i see mdi2pdf which may help |
| 00:43.11 | ompaul | that would be good |
| 00:43.18 | ompaul | if it doesn't crash |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | ompaul: nope, it's win32 only .. |
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| 00:45.04 | ompaul | abrotman: wine? |
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| 00:46.28 | abrotman | ompaul: ugh |
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| 00:47.03 | ompaul | abrotman: I'm not getting any positive reaction anywhere - ask me tomorrow and I'll ping them when there are more brains awake |
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| 00:47.11 | abrotman | them? |
| 00:47.25 | ompaul | I exist on several irc servers |
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| 00:47.31 | ompaul | my local lug - mostly programmers |
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| 00:47.34 | abrotman | ninja ompaul ! |
| 00:47.55 | ompaul | hehe |
| 00:48.32 | kveroneau | ompaul, they might be awake... but also on a hangover. |
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| 00:48.56 | ompaul | kveroneau: most of them are older than hangovers on a friday |
| 00:48.59 | kveroneau | Unless everyone is waiting for New Years eve for that. |
| 00:49.07 | ompaul | yeah |
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| 00:49.29 | ompaul | abrotman: as I said ping me tomorrow I'll leave a note here for myself in the morning |
| 00:49.51 | ompaul | right I'm off |
| 00:49.53 | ompaul | cheers |
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| 00:51.36 | kveroneau | Does the Debian project have any new years resolutions? |
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| 00:56.01 | kamap | kveroneau: fix bugs until Wheezy is released. |
| 00:56.52 | prpl | I am at the point in the installation process of wheezy netinstall i386 that "Choose software to install". The only selection for desktop environment is the first selection "Debian desktop environment". I was hoping to be able to select "lxde" at some point. Will I get that option ? |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | prpl: skip that, install it from the CLI when you're done |
| 00:57.38 | prpl | so dont select the debian d e ? |
| 00:58.12 | dvs | prpl: no, don't select it |
| 00:58.15 | abrotman | right, it's either gnome or xfce .. can't remember which .. but as long as you have working internets, you can install anything you want later |
| 00:58.36 | prpl | Last time KDE installed |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | that's fun |
| 00:58.54 | prpl | so I lxde from apt and had both |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | there is a way to make it install during the install, but you have to trigger it when you start the installer |
| 00:59.15 | prpl | There was no trigger that I saw...I was looking |
| 00:59.30 | prpl | This is the second install |
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| 00:59.53 | prpl | so I want lxde...I can cli later then ? |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:00.08 | dvs | pro |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | and it would be something like desktop=lxde, but doesn't matter now |
| 01:00.49 | prpl | so I wil boot to a what?..... |
| 01:00.56 | prpl | without the de? |
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| 01:01.15 | prpl | text login |
| 01:01.24 | prpl | then apt-get lxde ? |
| 01:01.45 | abrotman | prpl: then you will type "aptitude install xorg lxde gdm3" |
| 01:01.46 | dvs | a command line |
| 01:01.52 | babilen | prpl: Did you choose LXDE in the boot menu earlier? (as discussed) |
| 01:01.55 | Devastator | gdm3?! |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | Devastator: lxde uses fluxbox, gtk/gnome-ish .. it's not that bad |
| 01:02.13 | prpl | babilen. It wasn't offered |
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| 01:02.28 | prpl | I like lxde |
| 01:02.33 | Devastator | abrotman i see hehe |
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| 01:02.48 | babilen | prpl: It is in the boot menu (yes it is there, and I told you where, but it is too late now and installing it from CLI is just as good) |
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| 01:03.41 | prpl | ty babilen..I looked for advanced...but it was not offered..just expert...and it's netinstall on a usb stick if that makes a diff |
| 01:04.12 | prpl | unetbootin style |
| 01:05.41 | prpl | is print server needed and ssh server ? |
| 01:06.21 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:06.26 | prpl | they are pre-selected |
| 01:06.29 | babilen | prpl: You can install /everything/ later -- I would recommend to install the standard task and (if applicable) the laptop one |
| 01:06.52 | prpl | ok....thanks babilen |
| 01:06.57 | babilen | prpl: And note that unetbootin is bad and prone to break usb installers (see "/msg dpkg usb install" for the supported way) |
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| 01:08.22 | prpl | i did notice it took a few attempts with the unetbootin....It offers the options in unetbootin that usually the debian installer offers so that could have been part of why I missed the advanced option |
| 01:09.45 | prpl | My dvd/rw went bad a couple days ago...otherwise I wouldnt be here I am guessing |
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| 01:10.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell prpl -about usb install |
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| 01:11.16 | babilen | prpl: It is /very/ easy to create a usb installer without unetbootin (I would argue even easier than with unetbootin) -- and it works! |
| 01:11.40 | dvs | babilen: in Windows? |
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| 01:11.45 | babilen | anyway, just continue with your installation. I hope that the grub installation works as that is one part where unetbootin screws up IIRC |
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| 01:12.10 | babilen | dvs: There is a writer for windows that doesn't b0rk the installer like unetbootin |
| 01:12.37 | babilen | (see "/msg dpkg usb install" for a link, you might have to rename the .iso to .img as Windows seems to be a bit, well, anal about extensions) |
| 01:12.53 | prpl | well, I did try lili once er twice |
| 01:13.01 | babilen | lili? |
| 01:13.21 | prpl | yah its a usb installer software.... |
| 01:13.53 | pythonsnake | ManoftheSea: in my /* |
| 01:13.59 | babilen | Ah, no. That is also not necessary. On *nix systems all you have to do is "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" and you are /done/. On MS Windows you have to install the image writer and use that to write the iso on the usb |
| 01:14.00 | prpl | linuxliveusb.com |
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| 01:14.52 | prpl | but I installed it from avlinux live cd. It has unetbootin built in so... |
| 01:15.35 | prpl | avlinux is based on squeeze lxde....with nautilus and other tweaks |
| 01:16.16 | dvs | prpl: cat would have been easier |
| 01:16.26 | prpl | I think theres a lili for linux also |
| 01:17.16 | prpl | Never have ....I dont like unetbootin so much but it's what I know so far... |
| 01:17.29 | prpl | and lili of course |
| 01:17.48 | babilen | prpl: The supported and standard way (see above) is much easier than /anything/ else and works. unetbootin is prone to problems and I have no idea about lili -- But just finish your installation and continue |
| 01:18.28 | prpl | yep...ai will try the suggested way next install thanks babilen |
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| 01:19.47 | mrdeb | hi. can someone tell me why i get BADSIGN AED signing key error when doing apt-get update.? pls help |
| 01:20.52 | mrdeb | ?? |
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| 01:24.33 | mrdeb | hello? |
| 01:25.13 | babilen | mrdeb: could you paste the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 01:25.23 | dvs | mrdeb: an actual error message would help |
| 01:25.42 | dvs | oops |
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| 01:26.18 | mrdeb | ok, so i go and paste, ok |
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| 01:28.40 | mrdeb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/219968 |
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| 01:29.41 | mrdeb | oh wow. r u the real simone from slim? |
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| 01:30.11 | luddy | hey quick q; when you do apt-get install; my understanding is that it pulls from sources.list for the package locations correct? correct? |
| 01:30.36 | mrdeb | yes luddy |
| 01:30.37 | dvs | yes |
| 01:30.57 | luddy | allright so there is not another place it pulls from |
| 01:31.04 | mrdeb | could be |
| 01:31.09 | luddy | well |
| 01:31.28 | luddy | im creating a system restore program in python |
| 01:31.55 | somiaj | it pulsls from your local cache, which is created by apt-get update (from your sources.list -- though note /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ can have multiple files splitting the sources.list up) |
| 01:31.55 | dvs | luddy: /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 01:32.19 | luddy | and i am wondering if just using the sources.list and the package names would be enough to download all the exact same programs |
| 01:32.24 | mrdeb | pls help wiht my error |
| 01:32.56 | luddy | wots your error |
| 01:33.36 | mrdeb | luddy: http://paste.debian.net/219968 |
| 01:33.37 | dvs | it;s a warning |
| 01:33.43 | luddy | and i am not on debian however i am on linux mint |
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| 01:33.45 | luddy | but |
| 01:33.55 | luddy | its similar enough i think to preform what i am doing |
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| 01:34.03 | babilen | !mint |
| 01:34.05 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 01:34.14 | mrdeb | well who can help |
| 01:34.32 | babilen | mrdeb: Please upgrade the debian-archive-keyring -- which version do you have? |
| 01:34.45 | luddy | well you guys dont realize that in this instance it doesn't matter mint or debian |
| 01:34.50 | mrdeb | how babilen |
| 01:34.52 | luddy | but you guys answered my q |
| 01:34.53 | babilen | (dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring|tail -n1) |
| 01:34.54 | luddy | thanks! |
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| 01:35.29 | babilen | luddy: We do not support Mint (or anything that is not pure Debian) for a number of technical reasons. |
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| 01:35.45 | babilen | luddy: Well, technical and social reaons that is |
| 01:35.54 | luddy | i understand fully |
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| 01:36.12 | mrdeb | babilen: same error still |
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| 01:36.35 | babilen | well, too late now - see you guys tomorrow! |
| 01:36.55 | dvs | o/ |
| 01:37.06 | mrdeb | nooooo!!! pls wait help me |
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| 01:38.12 | babilen | mrdeb: Please also try a different mirror -- This is almost certainly a mirror problem. Or just wait. Hmm, it is security, that should be ... well ... too late now to investigate in detail. |
| 01:38.35 | mrdeb | change mirror? ok in synaptic hten |
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| 01:40.01 | babilen | mrdeb: No, it is security which should™ work -- let other people help you with a security mirror or just wait a little. It might be a temporary problem. |
| 01:40.29 | babilen | mrdeb: We /still/ need more information though. The /entire/ output of that command and your sources.list for example |
| 01:40.57 | mrdeb | i dont understand. i changed mirror in synaptic |
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| 01:41.44 | babilen | mrdeb: Run "apt-get update" on the console and paste your sources.list along with the entire output |
| 01:41.58 | babilen | good night |
| 01:42.27 | dvs | o/ x2 |
| 01:42.57 | mrdeb | goodbye homie |
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| 01:48.07 | somiaj | I thought synaptic dosen't always play well with apt and uses its own sources |
| 01:48.17 | abailarri | Hello. The webcam on my laptop has stopped working and I do not understand why. Anybody can help me? |
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| 01:50.43 | mrdeb | i still get same error with different mirror |
| 01:50.49 | mrdeb | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 01:54.10 | ManoftheSea | pythonsnake: it is possible for things to get out of the chroot. However, a well-behaved program will not tromp your host system rootfs from a chroot. |
| 01:54.19 | haylo | mrdeb: dont ue synaptic, its a mess. always has been |
| 01:54.29 | mrdeb | haylo: samething with apt. what now |
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| 01:54.58 | haylo | somiaj: you are right. The proper tool to use for install programs in debian is apt-get, aptitude or dpkg(sparingly) |
| 01:56.32 | haylo | mrdeb: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" . And do what babilen told you to do |
| 01:56.34 | haylo | as well |
| 01:56.45 | mrdeb | i did |
| 01:56.47 | mrdeb | it didnt work |
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| 01:57.02 | mrdeb | i dont wnat to format |
| 01:57.11 | haylo | mrdeb: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 01:57.19 | haylo | im curious to see what is in there |
| 01:57.20 | mrdeb | where, in pastebin? |
| 01:57.26 | haylo | debian pastebin, yes |
| 01:58.26 | mrdeb | haylo: http://paste.debian.net/219970/ |
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| 01:58.47 | haylo | ok thats what i thought |
| 01:58.49 | prpl | after installing wheezy from netinstall with no desktop environment selected , do I have to install org or just the de ?...Thanks |
| 01:58.51 | haylo | yo uare using crunchbang |
| 01:58.56 | mrdeb | so what |
| 01:59.01 | prpl | xorg* |
| 01:59.21 | haylo | well, coronominal discontinued many of his repos. hes not really fit to maintain a distro. |
| 01:59.31 | mrdeb | wow harsh words |
| 01:59.36 | mrdeb | but it is a good distro |
| 01:59.47 | haylo | yo uhave to generally "fix" his work by using debian sources |
| 01:59.49 | mrdeb | so what now |
| 01:59.57 | mrdeb | delete which lines |
| 02:00.27 | pythonsnake | ManoftheSea: oO |
| 02:00.29 | haylo | this is not supported on #debian mrdeb . /join #crunchbang or if yu must i can help you in PM |
| 02:00.43 | pythonsnake | can i use ports <1024 in a chroot? |
| 02:00.43 | mrdeb | :( |
| 02:01.07 | somiaj | mrdeb: no wonder you are having issues. this is not support for crunchbang. |
| 02:01.16 | mrdeb | its debian |
| 02:01.17 | haylo | mrdeb: hash them all out and use a proper debian repos. but expect breakage. |
| 02:01.23 | mrdeb | the error is debian key |
| 02:01.25 | somiaj | mrdeb: go use crunchbangs support, their sources will of course not work well with debian sources. |
| 02:01.30 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 02:01.30 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 02:01.45 | mrdeb | ok |
| 02:02.02 | somiaj | of course debian srouces will not work well with crunchbang sources. That should be obvious as you are not using debian |
| 02:02.05 | haylo | mrdeb: yo ucan make crunchbang by using debian live build |
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| 02:02.25 | mrdeb | what is the link to it |
| 02:02.26 | haylo | its simply a variant of debian made using debians standard devel tools and a special, and sometimes broken repository |
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| 02:02.58 | haylo | and it is not supported. you would be better off learning to make it yourself with live-build and get support form the staff here |
| 02:03.24 | mrdeb | so u think cb is bad |
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| 02:03.35 | haylo | mrdeb: its very good. but only as good as debian is |
| 02:03.40 | somiaj | mrdeb: remove the debian sources from your sources.list, and just use crunchbang sources. /j #crucnhbang and ask their support for things you are missing in their sources |
| 02:03.50 | haylo | somiaj: they put those in there he didnt |
| 02:04.00 | mrdeb | ok |
| 02:04.00 | haylo | its a broken repo. its very bad |
| 02:04.21 | mrdeb | which one is |
| 02:05.50 | ManoftheSea | well, I'm off to try getting gnome-shell 3.6(.2) from experimental. I won't blame any of you if my house burns down... except you, abrotman. I've got my eye on you. |
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| 02:08.19 | abailarri | Hello. The webcam on my laptop has stopped working and I do not understand why. Anybody can help me? |
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| 02:12.46 | ManoftheSea | ok, well, I don't know how to use experimental, or something... |
| 02:12.56 | ManoftheSea | Or there are dependencies missing. |
| 02:13.37 | babilen | hates mrdeb |
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| 02:19.08 | chovy | has anyone used rsyncrypto? |
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| 02:21.01 | chovy | from what i can tell it basically allows you to encrypt data on the target server using rsync. |
| 02:21.26 | chovy | so you can have encrypted backups. I'm just wondering what happens if i loose my keys because of a harddrive failure or something on the source server. |
| 02:21.39 | Towzzer | you would not be able to decrypt your data |
| 02:22.00 | chovy | should i keep my keys somewhere else ? what is a good policy for this situation? |
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| 02:23.04 | Towzzer | you could put it on a usb drive and put that somewhere safe |
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| 02:25.18 | ManoftheSea | you could print them out and put them in a bank box |
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| 02:25.55 | chovy | ManoftheSea: nice |
| 02:26.12 | chovy | do the keys matter if they weren't created on that machine? |
| 02:26.31 | chovy | i mean lets say someone stole my computer, i bought a new one and used my old keys. Will they still work? |
| 02:26.41 | ManoftheSea | they should. |
| 02:26.57 | ManoftheSea | You should also worry about what happens if you forget your password |
| 02:27.06 | ManoftheSea | Or suffer injury that causes you to forget your password |
| 02:27.24 | ManoftheSea | alternately, you should be worried about rubber-hose cryptanalysis. |
| 02:27.27 | chovy | i use lastpass |
| 02:27.36 | chovy | and i gave my wife the master pw |
| 02:27.55 | ManoftheSea | there are methods to split a key into n pieces, of which k are needed to reconstitute the original. |
| 02:28.03 | chovy | if something happens to me, she has access to all our online stuff |
| 02:28.07 | ManoftheSea | that works well for wills. |
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| 02:29.46 | chovy | wills? |
| 02:30.15 | chovy | what, all the children need to bring their piece of the key to get the inheritence? |
| 02:30.48 | prpl | I smell a movie plot |
| 02:31.09 | chovy | yeah, i think i've already seen that movie |
| 02:31.17 | chovy | or it was a Matlock episode |
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| 02:31.36 | prpl | the key will be the new twist |
| 02:31.55 | chovy | just what my kids want. some kind of scavenger hunt to get their inheritance |
| 02:31.58 | ManoftheSea | chovy: something like that. |
| 02:32.11 | ManoftheSea | more like... at least 2 of them and the lawyer have to agree. |
| 02:32.18 | prpl | they'll love it, instead of eatser eggs...cash ! |
| 02:32.20 | chovy | oh i see |
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| 02:32.42 | chovy | yeah, i think my parents set up her will that way acgtually. |
| 02:32.54 | chovy | I have to talk to a distant cousin before I do anything with it. |
| 02:33.03 | chovy | more of a pita if you ask me. |
| 02:33.10 | Towzzer | people store private keys on computers that are password protected |
| 02:33.21 | Towzzer | if someone gets your computer they can attempt a brute force on the password |
| 02:33.34 | Towzzer | which is expoentially easier than brute forcing a private key |
| 02:33.41 | Towzzer | because of the length |
| 02:34.01 | Some_Person | Is there a graphical live iso of debian that will actually fit on a CD (not DVD)? |
| 02:34.02 | chovy | but if you have a good password, it will be nearly impossible. |
| 02:34.11 | chovy | why can't they just mount the harddrive as a slave |
| 02:34.20 | chovy | and grab the keys that way |
| 02:34.34 | Towzzer | key should be on an encrypted partition |
| 02:34.42 | Towzzer | maybe something that decrypts on login |
| 02:34.47 | somiaj | Some_Person: not premade, all the squeeze ones are slighty bigger than a CD, but fit on thumbdrives well |
| 02:34.55 | somiaj | Some_Person: there are some lenny versins, but those are outdated |
| 02:34.58 | Some_Person | I don't have a flash drive atm |
| 02:35.05 | Towzzer | the text installer is pretty easy |
| 02:35.07 | Some_Person | All I have is a pack of CD-Rs |
| 02:35.08 | ManoftheSea | chovy you should be using whole drive encryption. |
| 02:35.10 | Towzzer | I could help you with it |
| 02:35.15 | Some_Person | Towzzer: Not trying to install here |
| 02:35.18 | ManoftheSea | With a password with at least 56 bits of entropy. |
| 02:35.35 | somiaj | Some_Person: what are you needing with the live cd? |
| 02:35.39 | Some_Person | Towzzer: And I am quite familiar with the text installer anyway :) |
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| 02:35.55 | ManoftheSea | Also, depending on where you come down on Trusted/Treacherous computing, that could help you save your keys too. |
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| 02:36.21 | Towzzer | printing the key is a good idea, I liked that one |
| 02:36.55 | Some_Person | somiaj: I really just want to see how well this system runs things |
| 02:37.46 | somiaj | Some_Person: the oldstable lenny images will fit on one CD, but if you want something more modern you may have to go with a debian dervative if you don't want to try to create your own |
| 02:37.53 | kveroneau | wonders if it would be legal to sell a Debian-based LiveCD which boots up purely emulators and has all the games in existence on it... A flash drive is basically your memory card for save games. |
| 02:38.42 | kveroneau | chuckles, "just kidding, I'd never do such a thing. Although it may give Debian some PR." |
| 02:39.12 | Some_Person | kveroneau: And who owns the copyrights for these games? |
| 02:40.08 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: you could sell debian, with the source included. You could sell the emulators, generally. You would be inviting legal trouble from the owners of the games. |
| 02:40.35 | kveroneau | Not me, the big N and other various companies... Unless I find software which has long expired their copyrights, or the companies just flopped. |
| 02:41.47 | kveroneau | There are lots of old games where the owning company has died long since, due to horrible sales and nobody wanting to buy them out... Not even EA(which usually bought everything it saw... and destroyed it afterwards). |
| 02:41.51 | ManoftheSea | so you'd be selling debian and crappy game |
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| 02:42.15 | kveroneau | I'd include SuperTux for good measure. |
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| 02:43.45 | kveroneau | Look at the Dingo, a linux powered gaming handheld with emulators pre-installed... And tell me that their not encouraging piracy there... |
| 02:44.18 | ManoftheSea | they aren't encouraging piracy. |
| 02:44.25 | ManoftheSea | dingoo? |
| 02:44.33 | kveroneau | It won't take long until the Ouya will have an arsnel of emulators(since it's android-based, it technically already does). |
| 02:44.42 | kveroneau | Ah, yes Dingoo. |
| 02:44.44 | ManoftheSea | well, of course. |
| 02:45.00 | ManoftheSea | But since it's android, the only game I'd want to play is "get Debian on this, stat" |
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| 02:45.38 | kveroneau | haha, I'd love to see that too. I'm sure projects will sprout quickly, since the box is only $99. |
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| 02:46.03 | kveroneau | But, why not just get the Rasberry Pi for much much cheaper, with almost the same abilities as Ouya. |
| 02:46.16 | ManoftheSea | bleh. ODroid. It's a quad-core exynos chip at 1.7 GHz. The U2 is $90, and ships next month. |
| 02:46.34 | ManoftheSea | Screw the pi, a single-core, Arm7 at 700 MHz. |
| 02:46.53 | kveroneau | Didn't realize how underpowered the Pi was. Yikes. |
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| 02:47.22 | ManoftheSea | Also, EOMA-68, at #arm-netbook. Trying to put these ARM SoCs into a replaceable module to go in a laptop shell. |
| 02:47.28 | kveroneau | The Pi still can do a lot of still, including MythTV, and I'm very impressed with everything that's been with it thus far. |
| 02:47.34 | ManoftheSea | "underpowered" for what purpose? It can emulate an SNES. |
| 02:47.42 | tmpuser1 | Are there any hardware accelerated graphics drivers for an Acer Aspire 5515. |
| 02:47.48 | ManoftheSea | I just got my mk802ii working with debian today. |
| 02:48.04 | ManoftheSea | That's a 1GHz Cortex-A8 (the A10, for those following chips) |
| 02:48.26 | kveroneau | I bought this somewhat crappy Windows CE 6.0 ARM netbook recently... Debian didn't run too swell on it. :( |
| 02:48.42 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: nuke it from orbit. |
| 02:48.48 | kveroneau | That was the purpose of even buying that cheap netbook, was for Debian, since it's so tiny. |
| 02:48.51 | ManoftheSea | it's an ARM WinCE? |
| 02:49.06 | kveroneau | Yeah, ARM WinCE. |
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| 02:51.52 | kveroneau | Here's the product page for it: http://www.sylvaniacomputers.com/product.php?id_product=41 |
| 02:52.12 | kveroneau | When I read the specs, I thought Debian would run nicely on it... Boy was I wrong. |
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| 02:52.42 | kveroneau | I think it's the RAM thats the problem, only 256MB, very low. |
| 02:52.44 | ManoftheSea | ew, ick. |
| 02:52.52 | kveroneau | Yeah. |
| 02:52.56 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: ARM devices have no standard method of booting. |
| 02:53.09 | kveroneau | Most use uBoot |
| 02:53.41 | ManoftheSea | Many have hidden source changes for platform devices. |
| 02:53.41 | kveroneau | As far as I've seen, most consumer ARM devices, like this one actually uses uboot to load WinCE out of all things. |
| 02:54.13 | ManoftheSea | but, this is a convo for #arm-netbook |
| 02:54.30 | ManoftheSea | a quarter-gig of ram is enough for xfce or something. |
| 02:54.46 | ManoftheSea | but an arm11? hmm... that might be what's in the pi. |
| 02:54.56 | kveroneau | I used Debian on a SheevaPlug, and it worked wonderfully. Booted using uboot, but it did have lots more RAM in it, like 1GB of RAM. |
| 02:55.03 | ManoftheSea | I remember it was a generation behind the cortex a8, but don't remember the sequence of arm models. |
| 02:56.32 | kveroneau | The SheevaPlug was awesome, it works great for a low powered server or customized firewall/router. Priced at $99+S/H |
| 02:56.53 | kveroneau | Same price as the Ouya, but the Ouya has much more features included. |
| 02:57.21 | ManoftheSea | yep, the *Plugs are nice. |
| 02:57.48 | kveroneau | One ARM device I want to get my paws on is the Pandora, just for the sake of having a full Debian distro in the palm of my hand, the device is the size of a Nintendo DS. |
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| 02:58.40 | kveroneau | Wish I could easily install Debian onto my old DS, but the DSLinux project isn't as good as I'd like my distro to run. |
| 02:58.48 | zophy | is there a something like puppy linux that is pure debian ? |
| 02:59.13 | zophy | DSL looks old |
| 02:59.19 | kveroneau | zophy, You could build something like puppy using Debian I'm sure. |
| 02:59.47 | zophy | i'd like to just click a link for that |
| 02:59.53 | zophy | 'cliuck' |
| 03:00.04 | kveroneau | I have grown acustomed to using debootstrap for all my Debian installs now, I haven't used the Debian installer for ages. |
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| 03:00.53 | zophy | how do i get grub on s sdcard ? |
| 03:01.36 | zophy | and there's unetbootin |
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| 03:01.40 | zophy | hmm |
| 03:01.41 | kveroneau | What I'm saying, is that you can create a more compact Debian install by using debootstrap, and then apt-get just what you need. |
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| 03:02.04 | zophy | kveroneau, that's what i think i'll have to do |
| 03:02.06 | kveroneau | I prefer using syslinux on flash type media for booting. |
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| 03:02.22 | zophy | oh yes, syslinux for that |
| 03:02.22 | kveroneau | It's easy to install too onto SD cards and such. |
| 03:02.52 | RigidWig | do I need special permissions to allow a network computer to access a localhost node server? (192.168.....:port in the client browser doesn't work)? |
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| 03:02.59 | kveroneau | I have a bootable USB stick which it's sole purpose is to use debootstrap on new machines. |
| 03:04.58 | kveroneau | zophy, if you really want to shink down a debian install, you can theoretically delete the /usr/share/doc* directories, not many packages complain if it's missing, but move it instead just in case, or share it over NFS if you really think you'll need it. |
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| 03:06.20 | kveroneau | I haven't removed a package which had it's /usr/share/doc deleted, because the end result was to have a mini debian install on a tight memory stick, which stored most of the OS in cramfs at the time to save even more space. |
| 03:07.03 | kveroneau | Nowadays, it's more customary to use squashfs over cramfs. |
| 03:07.32 | zophy | all that locale stuff is gonna be gone |
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| 03:08.27 | kveroneau | I barely use any locale by English, and they do tend to take up a large amount of space, so you want to go through and keep only the ones you think you'll need. |
| 03:09.07 | zophy | i kept the ones with an "en" in the filename |
| 03:09.17 | kveroneau | Also be sure to clean out the /var/cache/apt/archives directory, or place it in a tmpfs(which I normally do on embedded devices). |
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| 03:09.59 | kveroneau | You should only need the one which is set by the system, and it will always fallback to C, which is usually English anyways. |
| 03:10.37 | kveroneau | If you run dpkg-reconfigure locales, you can select from a list the ones you want, then it will ask you for the default system-wide locale. |
| 03:11.07 | haylo | You can make a 61MB wheezy with debian live-build tool |
| 03:11.19 | haylo | its pretty awesome. pretty much all i sue |
| 03:11.22 | kveroneau | haylo, nice! |
| 03:11.24 | haylo | use* |
| 03:11.37 | haylo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.48 | kveroneau | haylo, what does 61MB's give you? |
| 03:11.49 | haylo | it takes a while to learn how to use, but its worth it |
| 03:12.33 | kveroneau | I was thinking of learning it, as I wanted to build a repair DVD for my system. |
| 03:12.40 | haylo | kveroneau: not very much. But you could cram some pretty full systems into maybe 250MB |
| 03:12.58 | kveroneau | haylo, that channel is dead, I'm the only one there. :( |
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| 03:13.01 | haylo | i have some xorg and dwm builds that are 130 |
| 03:13.15 | haylo | ah yo uhave to go to irc.oftc.net |
| 03:13.15 | sney | #debian-live is on irc.oftc.net, not here |
| 03:13.44 | kveroneau | haylo, all I would need is the essentials for fixing a broken LUKS+LVM2 system. |
| 03:14.17 | kveroneau | At the moment I can boot from my USB stick to perform repairs if needed, but I wanted a more read-only method which I can stash away for emergencies. |
| 03:14.43 | haylo | well, i like it for its persistence methods |
| 03:15.12 | haylo | pretty easy to to delete stuff that is interfering ith my system, and have a solid squashfs that will always boot |
| 03:16.12 | haylo | for squeeze just make a partition labeled "live-rw" and it should find it |
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| 03:19.28 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: I have a Qi NanoNote. Slow, small, MIPS |
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| 03:21.00 | ManoftheSea | haylo, I am interested in your methods, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 03:21.43 | ManoftheSea | In particular, I'd like a kernel+initramdisk that could boot directly from UEFI, and could repair my system (LVM on LUKS) if needed. |
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| 03:22.28 | ManoftheSea | Though, I imagine an openwrt system would be better at being small. |
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| 03:22.36 | kveroneau | Hmm, I've had trouble with getting Linux to boot on my UEFI system. |
| 03:22.38 | ldnblk | I have wifi and I can see accesspoints but i cannot log onto them using wifi radar. any wifi experts that can assist ? |
| 03:22.51 | kveroneau | I just use syslinux and the legacy booting methods at the moment. |
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| 03:22.54 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: me too. I get to the LUKS prompt, but have no console input. |
| 03:23.07 | haylo | ManoftheSea: um i dont have a newsletter lol. but yeah, these methods are clearly superior to that of other humans |
| 03:23.18 | ManoftheSea | I currently use GRUB 2.00, no unencrypted partition needed. |
| 03:24.19 | kveroneau | I boot entirely from a USB key, no paritions on my drive at all. |
| 03:24.27 | ManoftheSea | hah, lol. |
| 03:24.43 | ManoftheSea | I boot using a needle and magnet, installing my system at every boot. |
| 03:24.52 | ManoftheSea | I use emacs, there's a shortcut for that. |
| 03:24.52 | kveroneau | If the USB key is not there, then well, SOL to whoever wants to boot my system, they don't have a kernel or the initrd to boot the system with. |
| 03:25.04 | crolab | once subscribed it is impossoble to cancel the newsletter subscription to 'superior human methods' |
| 03:25.46 | haylo | i boot into ram and then destroy the original medium |
| 03:26.06 | kveroneau | I used to boot my PC using PXE from my sheevaplug, with full HDD encryption, no boot partition. |
| 03:26.09 | haylo | and then its all uptime from their. so you know.... its all good |
| 03:26.53 | ManoftheSea | kveroneau: I want to do that too. |
| 03:26.53 | kveroneau | If my PC was ever stolen, more than likely the robber won't notice the plug in the wall as a computer, so in a sense this protects me from identity fraud and such. |
| 03:27.03 | ManoftheSea | Grub 2 can also netboot... |
| 03:27.17 | ManoftheSea | though... it seems the EFI in my Dell E6220 can't PXE. |
| 03:27.42 | kveroneau | My LUKS passphrase is very very long, so a brute force attack against it won't be a robbers expertise. |
| 03:27.54 | ManoftheSea | rubber-hose cryptanalysis |
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| 03:31.09 | BWMerlin | ManoftheSea: that is odd your E6220 cannot pxe boot, we have about 160 of them at work and they all pxe |
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| 03:31.57 | ManoftheSea | BWMerlin: in EFI mode? |
| 03:32.05 | ManoftheSea | It can do so in Legacy. |
| 03:32.15 | BWMerlin | off the top of my head I would guess legacy |
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| 03:32.25 | BWMerlin | but I would have to go in a check |
| 03:32.27 | ManoftheSea | right. |
| 03:32.33 | ManoftheSea | I'd assume legacy as well. |
| 03:32.40 | ManoftheSea | There's no reason to use EFI on it. |
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| 03:37.09 | BWMerlin | I am new to Linux but I have only recently been told that if I install things from source I need to keep those source files around if I wish to un-install the programme later |
| 03:37.31 | Towzzer | you know, you should always use the package manager |
| 03:37.43 | BWMerlin | how ever it was mentioned that there was some way to get apt to track the install and therefore remove the programme latter without keep the source files |
| 03:37.45 | BWMerlin | is this the case? |
| 03:38.01 | Towzzer | if you have a debian package |
| 03:38.13 | Towzzer | but if you just use a script to install from the source, apt has no knowledge of that |
| 03:38.15 | crolab | BWMerlin: the ability to do make unistall is created from a successfull configure |
| 03:40.45 | BWMerlin | Towzzer: As I said I am new and what I was trying to install I could not find in apt but it was available in source |
| 03:41.11 | Towzzer | what is the item |
| 03:41.30 | BWMerlin | crolab: so if I delete all the ./configure etc files then I cannot remove the programme without re-downloading it |
| 03:41.42 | BWMerlin | they were plugins for pidgin |
| 03:41.48 | Towzzer | you can remove it manually |
| 03:41.53 | Towzzer | just delete the files it installed |
| 03:42.01 | BWMerlin | https://github.com/dm0-/window_merge/ this one for example |
| 03:42.13 | Towzzer | whereever it installed to, maybe a configuration file/dir in /etc |
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| 03:44.02 | crolab | BWMerlin: the make uninstall is in the created Makefile |
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| 03:45.33 | BWMerlin | So if possible it would be best to add an additional repository that contains the programme I want to install or failing that create a directory where I keep all the source files for future removal? |
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| 03:48.38 | prpl | just installed lxde after a netinstall of wheezy, sans de. There are more than half a dozen xscreensaver entries in the "Other" Menu ,3 entries for activate,enable,disable,reinitialize,preferences.....I would like to clean this up ?? |
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| 03:50.31 | crolab | BWMerlin: just keep the actual tar.gz/bz2 that you installed is easiest and takes smallest amount of space - if you think that version will always be available |
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| 03:51.02 | crolab | just write down the actual version you installed |
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| 03:52.18 | BWMerlin | Well I have plenty of HDD space so I might keep the zip files on a secondary HDD rather than my SSD |
| 03:52.31 | l1t | I just want to upgrade glibc to the newest version on debian squeeze. Can I just add a repo and install libc6? |
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| 03:54.39 | crolab | zip files imply windows software - |
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| 04:02.54 | rryoumaa | zip is a good archiver on linux ime |
| 04:04.41 | crolab | normally zip files contains windows line feeds and not linux line feeds |
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| 04:05.20 | crolab | very few (none?) of linux source comes in zip files |
| 04:06.11 | rryoumaa | not saying it's common on linux, but it does exist in debian and works well (as do tar, cpio, and others; i did thorough testing of a bunch of archivers and with recent versions they all do ok with varying constraints and gotchas) |
| 04:06.18 | crolab | exit |
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| 04:08.11 | sney | crolab, it's /quit |
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| 04:09.00 | crolab | no its 'book on f1 key' |
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| 04:29.34 | l1t | I have jsut upgraded to wheezy on my VPS. It still does not have the version of eglibc . Once I upgrade it has 2.13 but I need 2.15 |
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| 04:30.24 | l1t | How do I upgrade it to 2.15 easily? |
| 04:30.43 | sney | ,v eglibc |
| 04:30.45 | judd | No package named 'eglibc' was found in i386. |
| 04:31.50 | l1t | ldd --version |
| 04:32.03 | engla | l1t: no easy way. only experimental has newer libc |
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| 04:32.18 | l1t | engla: Can you please explain to to get that? |
| 04:32.23 | sney | ,v libc-bin |
| 04:32.25 | judd | Package: libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-37; wheezy: 2.13-37; experimental: 2.16-0experimental1 |
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| 04:32.54 | engla | you'll have a risk of ruining your install, it's experimental |
| 04:33.14 | sney | l1t, it just involves adding experimental and sid to sources.list, setting your default-release, and installing it with apt-get -t. But yes, things go in experimental for a reason. |
| 04:33.38 | sney | I wouldn't touch an experimental libc with a 10-foot pole. |
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| 04:33.48 | l1t | I see the experimental is 2.16 and the others are 2.13 and under |
| 04:33.53 | l1t | what happened to the others |
| 04:34.11 | engla | sure, they all had 2.16 /before the accident/ |
| 04:34.19 | l1t | My gentoo and ubuntu installs both have 2.15 |
| 04:34.24 | engla | ;-) |
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| 04:35.17 | sney | they weren't considered for packaging. http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eglibc.html probably has the reason, somewhere |
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| 04:39.37 | kveroneau | When someone asks you why you use Debian over something else, what is your natural response? |
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| 04:41.11 | JCDenton | If I want to uninstall OpenSSL to re-compile it manually, do I have to re-compile all packages Debian uses that also require it? |
| 04:41.12 | crolab | my nocturnal response is because with apt-get it is the easiest distro to test things on |
| 04:41.15 | JCDenton | Such as dovecot and curl? |
| 04:41.24 | crolab | JCDenton: no |
| 04:42.26 | JCDenton | crolab, What should I be doing then? |
| 04:42.35 | JCDenton | Force it to just uninstall SSL and hack in the new compiled version? |
| 04:42.37 | crolab | you might have to make some links from the installed /usr/local/ssl/* locations to /usr/* locations or use LDFLAGS/CPPFLAGS so new source can find it |
| 04:42.47 | kveroneau | I like it because I am "optionally" compile packages from source easily using apt-get source |
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| 04:42.56 | BWMerlin | crolab: I wasn't necessary meaning zip files but more compressed source archives |
| 04:43.13 | LtL | kveroneau: it's secure, stable, sweet and it won't rot your teeth |
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| 04:43.53 | JCDenton | kveroneau, <thestinger> debian stable is great for a system you plan on neglecting :P |
| 04:43.54 | kveroneau | finds LtL's response entertaining. |
| 04:43.57 | LtL | but that's just me ;) |
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| 04:44.36 | engla | JCDenton: why why? get the debian package, reconfigure, build, install |
| 04:44.44 | MachinaeWolf | Is there anything besides joy2key to map keyboard and mouse to controller? |
| 04:44.59 | JCDenton | engla, I'm looking to compile the latest OpenSSL release (1.0.1) |
| 04:45.10 | JCDenton | Should I just compile and write over the current OpenSSL installation or..? |
| 04:45.20 | l1t | Oh sorry, How do I get eglib2.15 rather than 2.16 |
| 04:45.26 | JCDenton | I don't really know what the sanest thing to do is. |
| 04:45.37 | crolab | JCDenton: unless you use --prefix it will install the source in /usr/local/* |
| 04:45.56 | sney | my natural response to kveroneau's question is because I've been using it since 2000 and have yet to hear a convincing argument to use something else |
| 04:45.58 | JCDenton | crolab, Oh, right o_o good point |
| 04:46.12 | JCDenton | I'm a complete idiot |
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| 04:47.33 | crolab | sney etal the only negative thing about debian is how entrenched selinux is |
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| 04:48.48 | sney | I've never had a single issue on a debian system stemming from selinux, and it's not particularly hardened by default, so I don't know what you mean. are you sure you aren't thinking of centos? |
| 04:49.28 | engla | there is no selinux on most debian systems |
| 04:49.45 | kveroneau | has never found the need to us SELinux on his Debian installations. |
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| 04:51.46 | kveroneau | sney, I have used Debian since Woody, but even then I switched around as that was when I first learning my way around *NIX-like systems. I even used OpenBSD 3.4 for a time as well. |
| 04:52.00 | crolab | engla selinux dependency is compiled into most every app - do ldd or best yet mv libselinux1.so ;) |
| 04:52.27 | sney | yeah I've dabbled here and there as well but I always come back |
| 04:53.02 | kveroneau | Oddly, when I was using woody, my ATI Rage 128 card didn't have 3D acceloration in X, and I had no idea how to make it work. When I installed OpenBSD on the same system, 3D acceloration just worked out the box, even my sound was working right away. |
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| 04:55.01 | sney | man that's so long ago I can't even think of what the problem would have been. but I guess you were an early adopter of the "if it doesn't work, try some other random distro" school of thought |
| 04:55.07 | kveroneau | I was also equally amazed on how much faster OpenBSD booted on that machine, compared to woody, so the natural choice at the time was to use OpenBSD, since more was working, and boot up time was rather nice too. |
| 04:55.11 | sney | (yes, I know openbsd is not a linux distro. but you know what I mean.) |
| 04:56.18 | engla | crolab: but that doesn't matter much does it? |
| 04:56.34 | kveroneau | Yeah, I know. I tried OpenBSD at the time because I wanted to use something a little more closing to UNIX, and the install of OpenBSD is as close as I was going to get at the time. |
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| 04:56.58 | crolab | i for one what NO selinux on my box - there are so many 'dangling hooks' who know what it is capable of really doing |
| 04:57.35 | kveroneau | crolab, I concur. If it works, why fix it. |
| 04:57.58 | Shoya | hai |
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| 04:58.12 | Shoya | dangling hooks...heh |
| 04:58.59 | kveroneau | My box works perfectly fine with no issues without SELinux, so why would I install it. SELinux has a finer grained security policy, so making some stuff work will be more of a pain. :( This is a home PC for petes sake, I don't need what SELinux has to offer. |
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| 04:59.49 | crolab | kveroneau: that is my point - it is already fully installed and compiled into all the important basic apps |
| 05:00.23 | Shoya | kveroneau: and what does SELinux offer? |
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| 05:00.58 | Shoya | btw, if i renice a program, say ddrescue, to a priority of 5, how much slower does it become? |
| 05:01.05 | sney | the selinux support being compiled in is obviously to offer the debian user the choice of actually installing selinux and being able to harden the system without recompiling things |
| 05:01.08 | Shoya | 5 times slower? |
| 05:03.12 | kveroneau | sney, they should provide it seperately. During install of the system, you can choose to use SELinux-enabled system apps or not. |
| 05:03.24 | crolab | kveroneau: ++ |
| 05:03.42 | kveroneau | Changing it after install will be difficult tho, but most people shouldn't need to. |
| 05:03.46 | sney | that would require massive duplication... but, hey, if you think it's a good idea, file a wishlist bug |
| 05:04.00 | kveroneau | Either you use it or you don't. No switching your install back and forth. |
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| 05:06.37 | crolab | kveroneau: it never should have made it into the kernel and apps to begin with |
| 05:07.00 | sney | that kind of attitude is ill-suited to an OS that's intended to be universal |
| 05:07.29 | crolab | what user or business uses selinux? universal lol |
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| 05:08.37 | kveroneau | What is someone preferred AppArmor over SELinux... Are they compatible? Will AppArmor work with this SELinux-enabled system apps properly? |
| 05:09.00 | Shoya | hmm i wonder if Bluestacks works with wine...hmmm.... |
| 05:09.02 | kveroneau | If not, then it does break the "universal" thingy. |
| 05:09.22 | kveroneau | Android apps should be-able to run directly on Linux... |
| 05:09.34 | Shoya | do they? |
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| 05:09.37 | kveroneau | Wait, they do, on the tablets and smartphones. |
| 05:09.42 | Shoya | same kernel diff layers and stuff? |
| 05:09.45 | Shoya | wait what? |
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| 05:10.47 | kveroneau | I do find it stupid that we still cannot easily run Delvik VM on our Linux boxes, say have the VM run in an X Client to display it's framebuffer. |
| 05:11.11 | kveroneau | apt-cache search delvik brings up nodda... |
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| 05:11.38 | towel|deb | Does anyone know if the fglrx-driver will work on legacy hardware? |
| 05:12.39 | kveroneau | towel|deb, it depends how old. That driver mainly supports newer cards. You should use the OSS drivers for older cards. |
| 05:13.46 | towel|deb | Mine is a 4000 series. |
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| 05:14.06 | kveroneau | Has anyone tried to compile the Delvik VM component from the Android sources on your Debian box yet? |
| 05:14.37 | Shoya | i can try, if i could know what to do |
| 05:14.52 | towel|deb | Also, for some reason the fglrx legacy driver is not up on the repository but the regular driver is. |
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| 05:17.31 | kveroneau | towel|deb, you should read this wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 05:18.20 | towel|deb | I did. |
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| 05:18.47 | kveroneau | towel|deb, 4000 series is supported by the new driver, not legacy. |
| 05:19.18 | towel|deb | It's telling me that it isn't. |
| 05:19.20 | kveroneau | Sorry, it was dropped in a recent version of the driver. |
| 05:19.38 | towel|deb | Wait, what? |
| 05:19.45 | towel|deb | Oh yeah, the legacy driver. |
| 05:20.02 | towel|deb | Of which I cannot find apparently, the package. |
| 05:20.30 | towel|deb | I have a Radeon HD 4200 series card. |
| 05:20.32 | kveroneau | towel|deb, legacy: http://packages.debian.org/libfglrx-legacy |
| 05:21.20 | towel|deb | Package not found. |
| 05:21.35 | kveroneau | towel|deb, it's in the "experimental" repo. You can also download the driver directly from ATI and install it manually, which has worked for me many times. |
| 05:21.38 | Shoya | kveroneau: found this, dunno if it works http://www.android-x86.org |
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| 05:21.45 | towel|deb | Let me update. |
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| 05:22.15 | towel|deb | Ugh. |
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| 05:22.34 | towel|deb | It's only in the experimental distribution? |
| 05:22.47 | kveroneau | towel|deb, you may be-able to install it via dkms. |
| 05:23.20 | towel|deb | DKMS? What? |
| 05:23.26 | kveroneau | Sorry, it's called something else, confusing things here. |
| 05:23.51 | kveroneau | Module Assistant: http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 05:24.24 | kveroneau | It automated the compile process for the kernel module. |
| 05:24.58 | towel|deb | And what exactly does that mean for m? |
| 05:25.00 | towel|deb | me?* |
| 05:25.59 | kveroneau | towel|deb, you should be-able to install frglx-legacy using it. |
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| 05:28.40 | kveroneau | Hmm, just installed it, don't see legacy only the other one available. You may need to download from ATI directly. |
| 05:29.19 | towel|deb | I did. |
| 05:29.43 | towel|deb | I was just hoping to have it as a package I could automaticaly update. |
| 05:29.46 | towel|deb | automatically* |
| 05:29.56 | towel|deb | Also, it's really stupid on my computer for some reason. |
| 05:30.04 | towel|deb | It likes to slow performance down to a halt. |
| 05:30.31 | towel|deb | I hate ATI's support for Linux |
| 05:30.56 | kveroneau | Hmm, that's not good. I have an ATI card on my PC, and use ATI's downloaded drivers and have no issues. |
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| 05:31.37 | towel|deb | I don't know what else to blame it all. |
| 05:31.46 | towel|deb | No hang ups one second, instal the 12.6 driver and it hangs up. |
| 05:31.48 | kveroneau | I usually never do an update of the GPU driver unless nessesary, if it works why update it. |
| 05:31.55 | towel|deb | I had proprietary drivers before and they never did this. |
| 05:32.10 | towel|deb | It stopped working for me when Xorg screwed it up. |
| 05:32.15 | towel|deb | So I had to switch to free drivers. |
| 05:32.29 | towel|deb | Which sucked because I couldn't use my shader of which I were programming. |
| 05:32.33 | kveroneau | Yeah, the free drivers can suck depending on your card. |
| 05:32.51 | towel|deb | They ran fine, it just wasn't as up to date. |
| 05:33.01 | towel|deb | But ATI managed to make this update awful. |
| 05:33.05 | towel|deb | Maybe it's only in Gnome. |
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| 05:34.20 | kveroneau | towel|deb, yeah I use KDE, and the drivers from ATI work like a dream, even with 2 monitors. :) |
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| 05:34.53 | towel|deb | Maybe I should switch to KDE. :\ |
| 05:34.58 | kveroneau | So it could be Compiz that's causing the issues. |
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| 05:35.20 | towel|deb | I like Gnome shell. |
| 05:35.46 | kveroneau | With KDE's effects on and everything, OpenGL windows work perfectly, and I can fully wiggle the window with a 3D rendering inside it, pretty stable. |
| 05:36.16 | kveroneau | You could just not enable effects... Oh wait, gnome shell sort of forces those on it's users now. |
| 05:36.35 | towel|deb | Yes. |
| 05:36.37 | towel|deb | Sad. |
| 05:36.39 | kveroneau | Come to think of it... isn't gnome shell fairly new, so it could definately be a bug in gnome shell. |
| 05:36.52 | towel|deb | I downloaded the fglrx driver by accident, chose not to install it. |
| 05:37.03 | towel|deb | And now it tells me to install the driver or else I can't upgrade or do anything. |
| 05:37.05 | towel|deb | This is nonsense. |
| 05:37.20 | towel|deb | "The following packages have unmet dependencies." |
| 05:37.22 | kveroneau | Can you at least swap out the window manager in gnome-shell to disable effects? |
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| 05:37.51 | towel|deb | I can go into Gnome classic and that disables the effects. |
| 05:38.24 | kveroneau | I haven't used the new gnome-shell before, but in the old GNOME, the window manager was replacable using the "regedit"-like system. |
| 05:38.31 | mosno | 0. |
| 05:38.34 | mosno | gconf |
| 05:38.43 | kveroneau | Yup, that's it gconf. |
| 05:38.59 | kveroneau | Everything in gnome reminds me of a Mac, except gconf. |
| 05:39.18 | towel|deb | I wish I could remove this driver without console telling me that I need to meet unmet dependencies. |
| 05:39.22 | towel|deb | I don't want to install it. |
| 05:39.38 | towel|deb | Forget it, I'll just install it and uninstall it. |
| 05:40.13 | kveroneau | towel|db, there has to be away... which package are you uninstalling, the ATI drivers? |
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| 05:40.30 | towel|deb | The nonlegacy driver yeah. |
| 05:40.45 | towel|deb | I downloaded it by accident and I wanted to remove it. |
| 05:40.58 | kveroneau | You could use aptitude or Synaptic to manually unselect packages and select the one that's needed. |
| 05:40.59 | towel|deb | But because I didn't install it, it keeps telling me ther are unmet dependencies. |
| 05:41.00 | towel|deb | there* |
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| 05:41.32 | kveroneau | apt-get -f install might fix it. |
| 05:42.00 | kveroneau | That helps when a package is partly installed, and the package system is hickupping on it. |
| 05:42.31 | towel|deb | That's what I'm upset about though. |
| 05:42.34 | towel|deb | I don't want to force install it. |
| 05:42.38 | towel|deb | I just want to uninstall the mess. |
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| 05:43.09 | towel|deb | And you will not believe how many lag spikes I'm having right now. |
| 05:43.20 | kveroneau | Running that will uninstall it, if the deps for the partly installed package isn't met. |
| 05:43.41 | towel|deb | No, it just tells me it'll install libfglrx |
| 05:43.41 | kveroneau | I think -f stands for "fix", but I think it's documented as "force". |
| 05:43.56 | towel|deb | Which I don't want. |
| 05:44.05 | kveroneau | Do you still have the OSS driver installed? |
| 05:44.10 | towel|deb | Yes. |
| 05:44.45 | towel|deb | Can I install the fglrxdriver and be safe that it won't fuck up my settings |
| 05:44.47 | towel|deb | ? |
| 05:44.59 | towel|deb | Can I just install it and uninstall it without it doing something weird to the ati config files? |
| 05:45.00 | kveroneau | Hmm, then it shouldn't be difficult to remove the ATI one. If you use apt-get remove frglx-driver, what happens? |
| 05:45.53 | kveroneau | Backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. |
| 05:46.37 | kveroneau | That is the file you don't want it to mess up, if say it wants to change your graphics card settings. Then test. |
| 05:47.13 | towel|deb | I don't know why I can't just uninstall the mess in the first place. Why fully install it and then uninstall it? |
| 05:47.29 | kveroneau | If you break your system to a point where when you boot, you get no GDM, GDM should detect that and bounce you to a text console where you can put the xorg.conf file back and test a new configuration. |
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| 05:48.02 | kveroneau | What does it want to uninstall along with the driver? |
| 05:48.32 | kveroneau | Is it trying to uninstall all X11 apps and the X server itself? |
| 05:48.56 | towel|deb | You're confused. It's not trying to uninstall anything. |
| 05:49.15 | towel|deb | I want to uninstall the normal fglrx driver that I installed but never fully installed through it's console gui menu. |
| 05:49.30 | towel|deb | But whenever I tried to just remove the package, it told me to fully install its unmet dependencies. |
| 05:49.51 | towel|deb | Even though I was saying, "Look, I obviously don't want this. Let me just uninstall the package with the unmet dependencies." |
| 05:50.11 | kveroneau | This isn't through apt? |
| 05:50.20 | towel|deb | THis is through apt. |
| 05:50.21 | towel|deb | apt-get. |
| 05:50.53 | towel|deb | ON top of all this, I'm getting sever lag spikes that make me just want to boot up my windows partition. |
| 05:51.07 | kveroneau | Odd, it shouldn't force you to install a dep that it doesn't have access to. "apt-get -f install", will normally force uninstall packages with broken deps. |
| 05:51.39 | towel|deb | apt-get -f install forces me to install the unmet dependencies. |
| 05:51.57 | towel|deb | depmod... what the crud does this mean? |
| 05:52.34 | kveroneau | I cannot say I've run into a package like this, the package maintainer must of done something to do this. Which I can see is frusturating. |
| 05:52.52 | crolab | what package? |
| 05:53.11 | towel|deb | Oh boy, it installed DKMS for me too. |
| 05:53.21 | kveroneau | Depmod scans your kernel modules in /lib/modules and creates a dep list, so if you load one module, the modules dependant on it will also load automatically. |
| 05:54.17 | kveroneau | Before depmod, using dynamic modules was a chore, as you needed to make sure everything was loaded in the proper order manually. |
| 05:54.21 | towel|deb | And now it's just hanging with a nice little message, "Error: Timeout was reached" All the while my computer is having graphic lag spikes. |
| 05:54.29 | towel|deb | Fantastic. |
| 05:55.14 | Shoya | hmm |
| 05:55.21 | Shoya | wonder how's it's going to work |
| 05:55.52 | Shoya | using a Virtual Machine for W7/Bluestacks and/or Android |
| 05:56.05 | towel|deb | It probably won't work at all. I'm probably going to end up reezing. |
| 05:56.12 | Shoya | reezing? |
| 05:56.19 | towel|deb | freezing* |
| 05:56.38 | kveroneau | Shoya, you can use the emulator in the android-sdk, which is available natively on Linux. |
| 05:56.38 | towel|deb | Oh boy, and my mouse is now frozen again. |
| 05:57.24 | towel|deb | Fuck this, might as well shut down the computer and boot into windows. |
| 05:57.40 | kveroneau | towel|deb, have you tried Ubuntu? |
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| 05:58.02 | towel|deb | Yes, but I liked Debian. |
| 05:58.09 | towel|deb | Until this crap happened |
| 05:58.10 | towel|deb | . |
| 05:58.15 | kveroneau | towel|deb, it tends to work better out the box with such drivers, grab a LiveCD and see how well it performs. |
| 05:58.37 | Shoya | kveroneau: oh? emulator of android-sdk? but ain't it gonna be "slow"? |
| 05:58.58 | towel|deb | Just going to boot into Windows. |
| 05:59.17 | kveroneau | Ubuntu has newer versions of packages, which might resolve some of your issues, and it's easier to use than Debian, especially out of the box. |
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| 05:59.34 | kveroneau | Shoya, it uses kqemu to speed things up. |
| 05:59.37 | Shoya | then again what version is towel|deb using? |
| 05:59.47 | Shoya | what's the package of it kveroneau ? |
| 05:59.56 | Shoya | package name* |
| 06:00.00 | kveroneau | Shoya, just use ModuleAssistant to compile and install kqemu. |
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| 06:00.32 | kveroneau | Shoya, no package for android-sdk, you need to visit their website and download the tarball. |
| 06:01.44 | kveroneau | Shoya, not sure if it can run GL apps for Android. Devs are suppose to use their own devices to develop GL apps. |
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| 06:03.03 | Shoya | f it, i'm going to grab m2player, VLC is hanginga ugh |
| 06:04.19 | Shoya | kveroneau: have you heard about Sabayon? |
| 06:04.52 | kveroneau | Shoya, a distro? I think so, haven't used it. |
| 06:05.19 | Shoya | ah ok, it's said that it can run Android apps |
| 06:05.23 | kveroneau | Shoya, if what you want to do is play media files, install w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org and use almost any media player you want. :) |
| 06:05.44 | kveroneau | My system can play any media format due to the resources at debian-multimedia. |
| 06:05.48 | Arrowmaster | kveroneau: only works on 32bit |
| 06:05.53 | Shoya | kveroneau: i think ddrescue is hanging it |
| 06:06.09 | Shoya | lagging debian i mean* |
| 06:06.10 | kveroneau | It works for me, not sure why. Let me double-check my selections. |
| 06:06.11 | nvz | I havent needed w32codecs in years |
| 06:06.18 | kveroneau | I am using Debian 64-bit. |
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| 06:07.17 | kveroneau | Hmm, don't appear to have those codecs installed. |
| 06:07.32 | Shoya | why not w64codecs? o.o |
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| 06:08.50 | LtL | kveroneau: debian-multimedia.org has changed to http://deb-multimedia.org |
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| 06:15.51 | chovy | is it possible to create a debian package that compiles or pulls its source from github? |
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| 06:18.29 | kveroneau | Here's what I got in terms of AV: phonon-backend-xine, mplayer, mjpegtools, libxvidcore4, libxine1*, libx264*, libwavpack1, libquicktime1, libmpcdec6, libav*, and ffmpeg |
| 06:18.45 | kveroneau | There are most likely some I missed in my selection list. |
| 06:18.51 | damo22 | dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 1125: |
| 06:18.52 | dpkg | damo22: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:19.09 | damo22 | lol |
| 06:20.01 | damo22 | i tried using dpkg --set-selections < list but it failed miserably |
| 06:20.45 | damo22 | across machines |
| 06:22.34 | kveroneau | Here's my complete selections list: http://paste.debian.net/220000/ |
| 06:22.35 | Shoya | kveroneau: how do i compile kqemu using module-assistant? |
| 06:22.58 | kveroneau | Shoya, follow the guide on http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 06:24.48 | Shoya | kveroneau: can't find the kqemu package |
| 06:25.09 | kveroneau | Hmm, it was there on my squeeze. |
| 06:25.21 | kveroneau | Are you using Squeeze or a different version of Debian? |
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| 06:26.26 | Shoya | kveroneau: Wheezy |
| 06:26.31 | Shoya | 64-bit |
| 06:27.27 | Shoya | what's MATE? Gentoo's DE? |
| 06:27.38 | Shoya | !MATE |
| 06:27.39 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active (this is not supported in #debian). http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:27.41 | kveroneau | It's what Trinity is to KDE. |
| 06:27.46 | Shoya | oh |
| 06:27.52 | Shoya | and what's Trinity |
| 06:28.03 | Shoya | !Trinity |
| 06:28.03 | dpkg | Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 packaged). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>. |
| 06:28.13 | Shoya | oh |
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| 06:28.43 | kveroneau | I poked at this on Google plus. |
| 06:30.03 | kveroneau | According to my selections pastebin, I only have 1,671 packages installed. |
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| 06:30.45 | kveroneau | Shoya, you can manually download the kqemu sources too, if for some reason it's missing in Wheezy. |
| 06:31.03 | Shoya | it is missing on wheezy, anyway |
| 06:31.10 | Shoya | lemme see what can i do.... |
| 06:31.11 | kveroneau | Wheezy more than likely replaced QEMU entirely, or at least the x86 portion of it with VirtualBox-OSE. |
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| 06:31.43 | kveroneau | QEMU is where kqemu is from, and the android-sdk emulator is based on QEMU. |
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| 06:32.17 | Shoya | hmm |
| 06:32.24 | kveroneau | I moved away from QEMU to simh, it simulates some very interesting systems. |
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| 06:33.54 | Shoya | hmm |
| 06:34.51 | kveroneau | I like playing with simulators and emulators, not sure why. I think it's some sort of technology fetish or something. |
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| 06:35.43 | kveroneau | I still remember using an Apple II emulator on my DOS machine back in the day. |
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| 06:35.58 | towel|deb | Okay, I just removed the fglrx drivers |
| 06:36.01 | towel|deb | I deleted my xorg. |
| 06:36.11 | towel|deb | And now it's booting into the default driver (not even the free drivers). |
| 06:36.25 | towel|deb | How do I make sure that the fglrx drivers are purged and then have the xorg configure to my free drivers? |
| 06:36.32 | towel|deb | I'm done with ATI proprietary until they fix the lag. |
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| 06:37.20 | kveroneau | If you removed the xorg.conf file entirely, it should use the most appropriate driver for your video card. |
| 06:37.26 | towel|deb | It doesn't. |
| 06:37.31 | towel|deb | It just uses the crappy default driver. |
| 06:37.36 | towel|deb | I have the xserver stuff installed. |
| 06:37.40 | towel|deb | Is there anyway I can force it? |
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| 06:37.54 | kveroneau | Unless X had issues detecting it for some reason. You can force any driver in the xorg.conf file. |
| 06:38.08 | towel|deb | What do I need to do with the xorg file then? |
| 06:38.23 | JCDenton | Does the src group still have a purpose..? |
| 06:38.34 | JCDenton | Adding myself to the src group doesn't give me access to /usr/src or /usr/local/src |
| 06:38.52 | JCDenton | Both are just owned by the staff group |
| 06:39.12 | somiaj | JCDenton: ls -ld /usr/src |
| 06:39.16 | towel|deb | It didn't generate a new xorg I believe. |
| 06:39.18 | towel|deb | It has a lot of backups. |
| 06:39.20 | kveroneau | towel|deb, full directions are on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 06:39.21 | towel|deb | Like fglrx back ups. |
| 06:39.31 | somiaj | JCDenton: that directory should be owned by root.src, that is how it is on my systems |
| 06:39.32 | towel|deb | No there aren't full directions. It just says install the rivers. |
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| 06:39.55 | kveroneau | You could check one the backups for the configuration that last worked. ATI's drivers should of backed up your previous conf file. |
| 06:40.04 | JCDenton | somiaj, Nope. http://pastie.org/5592063 |
| 06:40.59 | somiaj | JCDenton: that seems off, you can easily chown root.src /usr/src if you like |
| 06:41.09 | somiaj | not sure why it is root.root (/usr/local/src is root.staff here) |
| 06:41.33 | JCDenton | Was installed by my datacenter, so.. I can't say I know if they changed anything or not. I just requested a mostly stock install. But thanks, just wanted to make sure |
| 06:41.46 | Shoya | so Deluge was the one making debian hang |
| 06:42.06 | towel|deb | They do. |
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| 06:42.20 | towel|deb | kveroneau, is the only difference between fglrx xorg and the oss xorg is the driver part? |
| 06:42.38 | towel|deb | Could I just change the driver from fglrx to what? |
| 06:43.27 | kveroneau | The ATI drivers are: radeon, ati, and radeonhd |
| 06:44.00 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: /usr/local/src is root.staff on mine |
| 06:44.11 | towel|deb | So instead of "Driver "fglrx"" I hae? |
| 06:44.13 | towel|deb | have? |
| 06:44.24 | kveroneau | You should try radeon first, as that is what most cards in your range use. ati is for really old cards, as I understand. |
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| 06:44.35 | towel|deb | Mine is radeonhd. |
| 06:44.40 | towel|deb | But what ever. |
| 06:44.44 | Arrowmaster | somiaj: oh nevermind, thought you were saying yours was root.src, ive been up too long |
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| 06:46.42 | kveroneau | I don't think your card is supported by the radeonhd driver tho. |
| 06:47.21 | kveroneau | X.org doesn't list it there, it lists R500, R600, and R700 style hardware. |
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| 06:49.02 | towel|deb | Okay. |
| 06:49.03 | kveroneau | You may need to install the non-free firmware in order to get acceloration. |
| 06:49.20 | towel|deb | Well okay. |
| 06:49.31 | towel|deb | I have the xserver-xorg-video-radeon/ati/radeonhd |
| 06:49.39 | towel|deb | I simply took the fglrx file and replaced the driver with radeon. |
| 06:49.42 | towel|deb | And I made the xorg. |
| 06:49.45 | towel|deb | Wish me luck |
| 06:49.47 | towel|deb | As I restart. |
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| 06:53.12 | KsM | so wheezy's version has changed from "wheezy/sid" to "7.0" now? |
| 06:53.12 | KsM | neat |
| 06:54.06 | Shoya | !wheezy |
| 06:54.06 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:54.15 | Shoya | !freeze |
| 06:54.16 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
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| 06:55.19 | towel|deb | Yep, that didn't work. |
| 06:55.32 | KsM | yes well I just update/upgraded and noticed the /etc/debian_version, /etc/os-release and /etc/issue changed, Shoya |
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| 06:56.04 | KsM | I know it'd been frozen for a while, but those just got changed for me today |
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| 06:59.19 | towel|deb | Okay, I need assistance with installing the free drivers. |
| 06:59.24 | towel|deb | I have them installed as packages. |
| 06:59.32 | towel|deb | But I can't generate an xorg for them, or I'm doing it wrong. |
| 07:00.18 | towel|deb | Maybe I need to make sure the fglrx driver is purged. |
| 07:00.43 | b0ss_ | Any predictions on when Debian 7 will be released ? |
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| 07:01.10 | kveroneau | What happened when started X? Did you get a display at all, or any errors? |
| 07:01.19 | towel|deb | I got a display. |
| 07:01.24 | towel|deb | I'm in gnome right now on fallback drivers. |
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| 07:05.21 | kveroneau | towel|deb, I'm trying to find out how to see what drivers being used besides 'xdriinfo', since I doubt DRI is loaded. |
| 07:05.54 | kveroneau | Ah, your X server log can tell you what's up. |
| 07:06.23 | kveroneau | Completely forgot about the X server logs, they can give you a lot of information, if say something is loading right. |
| 07:06.49 | kveroneau | The log is located here: /var/log/X.0.log |
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| 07:09.17 | kveroneau | towel|deb, here mine for example: http://paste.debian.net/220007/ |
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| 07:10.40 | kveroneau | And, yes I am using a 3.x kernel in Debian Squeeze. |
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| 07:12.22 | kveroneau | And here is my xorg.conf for reference, if your curious: http://paste.debian.net/220008/ |
| 07:12.59 | crolab | thinks we have all been using a 3.0 kernel since 2.6.18 - they just didn |
| 07:13.04 | Shoya | you're |
| 07:13.06 | crolab | t change the numbering |
| 07:13.10 | Shoya | lawl |
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| 07:13.45 | crolab | adding kvm to the kernel at 2.6 should have bumped the kernel numbering to 3.0 |
| 07:13.51 | kveroneau | Yeah, 2.4 to 2.6 was a big jump, and what ever happened to 2.5, I rarely hear about it... |
| 07:14.24 | kveroneau | Or at least Debian thinks it never existed. |
| 07:14.46 | kveroneau | I think Sarge had both Kernel 2.4 and 2.6, but no 2.5. |
| 07:14.55 | crolab | the speed performance increase from 2.4 to 2.6 was actually incredible |
| 07:15.01 | kveroneau | Woody had 2.2 and 2.4 as choices, but no 2.3... |
| 07:15.23 | kveroneau | I miss the Tux penguin at boot-up from woody. |
| 07:16.01 | crolab | yea mandrake had a tux at boot up during those days too |
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| 07:16.29 | kveroneau | Is there a way to bring it back? |
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| 07:16.46 | kveroneau | I remember Yellow Dog Linux on the PS3 had it enabled on it's 2.6 kernel. |
| 07:16.56 | crolab | some bootsplash? |
| 07:17.08 | r3m | hm |
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| 07:17.41 | kveroneau | It wasn't really a bootsplash, just a penguin on the top left hand corner of the screen, which was truely awesome when I first saw it. |
| 07:18.29 | kveroneau | It really separated a Linux boot from any other system boot out there. |
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| 07:19.13 | kveroneau | Now every distro has a bloody full screen bootsplash. |
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| 07:22.06 | kveroneau | Knoppix still has Tux during boot-up. |
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| 07:22.24 | kveroneau | Here's an image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Knoppix-3.8-boot.png |
| 07:22.35 | kveroneau | Doesn't that bring back memories of woody. |
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| 07:25.48 | towlie|deb | I give up. |
| 07:26.04 | towlie|deb | No matter how many times I purge the fgrlx drivers and reinstall the xserver packages, it does nothing.. |
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| 07:26.36 | os_ | hi |
| 07:26.38 | wols_ | towlie|deb: and you do this for what reason? |
| 07:26.51 | os_ | how do i update APT database manually ? |
| 07:26.59 | towlie|deb | To get the OSS drivers installed and running. |
| 07:27.06 | towlie|deb | Because I'm back in fallback mode. |
| 07:27.18 | wols_ | towlie|deb: does a xorg.conf or xorg.conf./d exist? |
| 07:27.29 | wols_ | os_: apt-get update ? |
| 07:27.37 | towlie|deb | wols_, no. |
| 07:27.41 | towlie|deb | I've tried deleting it, making a new one. |
| 07:27.42 | towlie|deb | Et cetera. |
| 07:27.57 | wols_ | towlie|deb: and Xorg.0.log says what? |
| 07:28.10 | towlie|deb | Xorg.0.log |
| 07:28.11 | towlie|deb | Where is that? |
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| 07:28.28 | os_ | wols_: i mean without a direct internet connection :) |
| 07:28.32 | mvt007geek | i know kernel have a file : namei.c that is about permissions.it check permissions.i always thought file systems tell what permissions are. which one is true: kernel permissions or filesystem permissions?i'm really confused. |
| 07:28.51 | sevenfourk | hi fellas. I've got some quick question, compiled kernel yesterday, and it appears that combination of Mod4 + <some_key> doesn't work. For now can't figure out what the problem and what configuration option/module could I miss out. Ctrl + <some_key> works just fine. |
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| 07:29.53 | towlie|deb | Okay, I found the log. |
| 07:30.24 | towlie|deb | Here's what it says, wols_ |
| 07:30.24 | towlie|deb | http://pastebin.com/ksm1hMmy |
| 07:30.32 | kveroneau | os_, apt-cdrom ... but you need to have the Debian CDs/DVDs to use this. |
| 07:30.37 | wols_ | os_: http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 07:31.14 | os_ | kveroneau: wols_ thanks ! |
| 07:31.31 | towlie|deb | You think You could decrypt my xorg log fie, wols_? Thanks. |
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| 07:32.32 | wols_ | towlie|deb: you are using radeon, not vesa. so what's your problem |
| 07:32.44 | towlie|deb | I'm not, am I? |
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| 07:32.55 | wols_ | you are |
| 07:32.57 | towlie|deb | Oh wait. |
| 07:32.58 | towlie|deb | Fuck. |
| 07:33.00 | towlie|deb | BRB |
| 07:33.53 | kveroneau | towlie|deb, it is indeed using the radeon driver, you should install the non-free firmware, which may give you faster video acceloration. |
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| 07:34.34 | kveroneau | But it seems GLX did load successful, so you may not need to install the firmware. |
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| 07:34.44 | wols_ | and check glxinfo that mesa is installed properly |
| 07:34.45 | towlie|deb | wols_ slight problem. |
| 07:34.50 | towlie|deb | I can't log into gnome regular. |
| 07:34.53 | towlie|deb | It crashes on log in. |
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| 07:35.53 | kveroneau | Gnome is most likely crashing due to broken mesa... Since the fglrx overwrote them during it's install... fglrx does back-up the originals. |
| 07:36.24 | towlie|deb | I thought I uninstalled and reinstalled the mesa |
| 07:36.26 | towlie|deb | What should I do |
| 07:36.27 | kveroneau | I think there's an apt command to re-install packages, if say any of it's installed files were changed. |
| 07:36.41 | towlie|deb | What's the package name |
| 07:36.43 | towlie|deb | ? |
| 07:36.50 | mwargh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.02 | mwargh | yep, i crossasked this on ##linux, sorry |
| 07:37.05 | kveroneau | libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 07:37.58 | kveroneau | You could log into just an XTerm session and manually launch gnome-shell from xterm to see any error messages during the crash. |
| 07:39.44 | towlie|deb | Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880 is the free driver, right? |
| 07:39.56 | towlie|deb | Let's try this again. |
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| 07:43.29 | towlie|deb | Now instead of giving me an error, it just hangs at my wallpaper. |
| 07:43.35 | towlie|deb | It won't load the menu bar or anything. |
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| 07:44.54 | towlie|deb | Frustrating. |
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| 07:47.43 | towlie|deb | I'm not even sure if that's the driver at this point. |
| 07:47.46 | towlie|deb | THough I guess it probably is. |
| 07:47.47 | towlie|deb | :\ |
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| 08:00.55 | kveroneau | towlie|deb, not sure what to say. I haven't used GNOME shell before, and now I doubt I will... It's hard to say where the error is coming from, have you tried the #gnome channel? |
| 08:01.12 | towlie|deb | I've given up, unfortunately. |
| 08:01.20 | towlie|deb | I'm 95% sure it's just a package fuck up. |
| 08:01.23 | towlie|deb | Or some kind of poor library. |
| 08:01.27 | towlie|deb | I don't know. |
| 08:01.39 | towlie|deb | Drivers are frustrating. |
| 08:01.56 | towlie|deb | Especially when they load up without an xorg file which makes no sense to me (I'm wheezy too). |
| 08:02.27 | rasusto | hello, all |
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| 08:03.25 | towlie|deb | Hola. |
| 08:03.53 | rasusto | I am trying to use vdpau hardware video decoding on an nvidia 9800gtx using the foss driver (nouveau) |
| 08:04.08 | rasusto | I keep getting this error: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nouveau.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:05.04 | rasusto | I did a package search but couldn't find that file |
| 08:05.28 | towlie|deb | No clue, unfortunately. |
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| 08:12.24 | kveroneau | rasusto, Check Debian bug #656719 |
| 08:13.43 | kveroneau | rasusto: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656719 |
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| 08:14.30 | rasusto | they are only in the ubuntu repo? |
| 08:15.14 | kveroneau | At the moment, it appears so. You can use their workaround and add the PPA to Debian. |
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| 08:18.25 | kveroneau | You could download the DEB package with the missing .so, and extract it, then put it into place on your system and see if your program accepts it. |
| 08:18.55 | kveroneau | Not the best way, but it's a workaround until Debian can release a packaged version. |
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| 08:20.09 | kveroneau | The package may even install in Wheezy, but I wouldn't recommend installing such packages as it may break other things on your Debian system. |
| 08:20.10 | rasusto | which debian package would that be? |
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| 08:20.41 | kveroneau | If you go to the launchpad.net link in the bugs website, you'll see a website with DEB packages. |
| 08:21.21 | kveroneau | I'm not sure which one will have that shared library, so you may need to shuffle through them until you find it. Just be take to take the right one for your arch. |
| 08:21.41 | kveroneau | Like don't use the x86 one on your amd64 machine. |
| 08:23.03 | rasusto | right |
| 08:23.08 | kveroneau | Then use: dpkg-deb -x <DEB package> to extract it to a directly to see what's inside and take the .so file to see if it works. |
| 08:23.48 | kveroneau | As I said, I wouldn't recommend doing a dpkg -i <package> on it, as it may break something, since these are Ubuntu packages. |
| 08:24.27 | kveroneau | You can also use dpkg-deb -c <package> to just list the files inside it, so you don't have to extract each one. |
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| 08:30.04 | rasusto | so I should just cp libvdpau_nouveau.so* /usr/lib/vdpau right? |
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| 08:31.11 | kveroneau | Yup, copy it where it's expected and run your app again to see if it accepts it or if this library needs newer versions of other system libraries. |
| 08:31.42 | kveroneau | If your on Wheezy, it should work better, but on Squeeze... Cross your fingers, lots of libraries are a tad outdated. |
| 08:32.07 | rasusto | well i copied the file but it mplayer doesn't seem to find it |
| 08:32.12 | rasusto | it still says file not found |
| 08:32.24 | rasusto | perhaps that is not the proper location for debian? |
| 08:32.50 | kveroneau | It's where mplayer is looking, does the error provide the exact location of where it's looking for the library? |
| 08:32.59 | kveroneau | ldd might work to find out. |
| 08:33.09 | kveroneau | eg: ldd /usr/bin/mplayer |
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| 08:33.23 | rasusto | ldd? |
| 08:33.51 | rasusto | aha! |
| 08:33.54 | kveroneau | It lists all the shared libraries a binary was linked against. |
| 08:34.06 | kveroneau | Did that help? |
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| 08:35.07 | rasusto | ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep vdpau |
| 08:35.17 | rasusto | libvdpau.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvdpau.so.1 (0x00007f7798bdd000) |
| 08:35.23 | rasusto | that file is already there |
| 08:35.34 | rasusto | it doesn't list libvdpau_nouveau.so |
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| 08:36.04 | kveroneau | Hmm, you could try placing that file in the same directory as libvdpau |
| 08:36.28 | kveroneau | or use ldd on that library. |
| 08:37.47 | rasusto | no links there |
| 08:38.20 | kveroneau | But the library in your LD_PATH. |
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| 08:39.09 | rasusto | i did ldd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvdpau.so.1 |
| 08:39.20 | rasusto | it doesn't link to libvdpau_nouveau.so either |
| 08:40.42 | rasusto | maybe mplayer wasn't compiled with vdpau? |
| 08:40.59 | kveroneau | Please it beside the other vdpau library. |
| 08:41.17 | kveroneau | It is trying to load it, so it was compiled with support for it. |
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| 08:43.10 | rasusto | moved everythiong to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 08:43.24 | rasusto | still doesn't find the right file |
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| 08:48.39 | rasusto | ok so, copied relevant files to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/vdpau |
| 08:48.52 | rasusto | Failed to open VDPAU backend libdrm_nouveau.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:49.41 | kveroneau | Getting closer... |
| 08:49.54 | kveroneau | Now it needs the drm file. |
| 08:50.05 | rasusto | is that the bad kind of drm |
| 08:50.11 | kveroneau | Which should be in Debian. |
| 08:50.54 | kveroneau | No, DRM stands for Direct Rendering Manager. |
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| 08:51.32 | rasusto | libdrm-nouveau1a is already the newest version. |
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| 08:51.35 | rasusto | oh boy |
| 08:51.39 | kveroneau | There should be a package in Debian that supplies that. |
| 08:52.12 | kveroneau | Hmm, yea, it seems like a newer version is being used with the vdpau. |
| 08:52.48 | rasusto | I just want to watch game of thrones lol |
| 08:53.16 | kveroneau | You can't watch it without vdpau? |
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| 08:53.37 | rasusto | I want to get video acceleration working |
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| 08:54.26 | rasusto | could I just try linking to the older version? |
| 08:54.36 | rasusto | or would that just break things |
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| 08:55.32 | kveroneau | You may want to install the nVidia drivers. |
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| 08:55.39 | AlexLikeRock | what its better dove OR evolution ? |
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| 08:56.31 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... any way to get gnome 3 on a debian squeeze installation (safely ) ? |
| 08:57.10 | kveroneau | nVidia may provide the supported libraries for vdpau, where the FOSS drivers are struggling. |
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| 08:57.53 | rasusto | yeah but the nvidia drivers are proprietary |
| 08:57.58 | rasusto | blagh |
| 08:58.42 | kveroneau | rasusto, yeah but they tend to work pretty good, and according to the wiki page on vdpau, that may be your only bet. |
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| 08:59.13 | kveroneau | There's a good explaination on VDPAU here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU and supported drivers/cards. |
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| 08:59.39 | kveroneau | As of Mesa v8.0 VDPAU support is included for video cards supported by Gallium3D. |
| 09:00.05 | rasusto | ok so a linked libdrm_nouveau.so.2 -> libdrm)nouveau.so.1 |
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| 09:00.19 | kveroneau | If your video card isn't supported by Gallium3D, you'll need to use nVidia's driver, or at least that's what I'm reading. |
| 09:00.29 | kveroneau | What happened after you linked it? |
| 09:00.46 | rasusto | more unresolved dependancies |
| 09:00.48 | kveroneau | If the API didn't change too much, it may work perfectly. |
| 09:00.48 | rasusto | Failed to open VDPAU backend libLLVM-3.2.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:01.48 | kveroneau | Squeeze only has up to LLVM 2.7 it seems. |
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| 09:02.32 | kveroneau | If your using Wheezy, you may be-able to APT it in. |
| 09:03.04 | rasusto | I am running testing |
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| 09:03.17 | rasusto | also, my card (9800gtx) is supported it seems |
| 09:03.50 | kveroneau | apt-cache search llvm |
| 09:03.59 | kveroneau | See what comes up. |
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| 09:04.45 | rasusto | damn now its wants llvm3.2 |
| 09:05.13 | kveroneau | Not there in testing? |
| 09:05.20 | rasusto | only up tp 3.1 |
| 09:05.37 | kveroneau | Welcome to Debian, maybe it's in sid. |
| 09:06.06 | kveroneau | Thay crazy kid always has the funnest toys, but he's also a risk... |
| 09:06.10 | jelly-home | ,file libLLVM-3.2.so.1 --release sid |
| 09:06.14 | judd | Search for libLLVM-3.2.so.1 in sid/i386: libllvm3.2: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libLLVM-3.2.so.1; llvm-3.2-dev: usr/lib/llvm-3.2/lib/libLLVM-3.2.so.1 |
| 09:06.47 | kveroneau | Thanks judd. |
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| 09:07.26 | kveroneau | So, there you have it... Visit packages.debian.org, if your crazy and download the package directly and see if it's accepted in your testing install. |
| 09:08.03 | kveroneau | If your super crazy, upgrade to sid, 'cause you know he really wants you. |
| 09:08.09 | rasusto | oh god what I'm I doing |
| 09:08.22 | jelly-home | as long as you realize "llvm" support for vdpau basically means software decoding. |
| 09:08.36 | rasusto | wait wat |
| 09:08.43 | kveroneau | yeah, which is where I'm confused. |
| 09:08.50 | kveroneau | llvm is a vm... |
| 09:08.55 | jelly-home | it's the fallback option |
| 09:09.07 | kveroneau | I'm not sure exactly how vdpau works. |
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| 09:09.34 | jelly-home | it works well, if you use the nvidia blob and the related vdpau support |
| 09:09.36 | kveroneau | Maybe it just needs it just incase type of thing, but won't use it if your card supports it. |
| 09:09.51 | rasusto | hopefully |
| 09:09.59 | rasusto | else it would defeat the whole purpose |
| 09:10.01 | cobra-the-joker | so that means no gnome 3 untill debian 7 ? |
| 09:10.19 | jelly-home | it's nvidia's API for the get-go |
| 09:10.25 | jelly-home | from* |
| 09:10.38 | kveroneau | cobra-the-joker, I don't think it's been backported. |
| 09:11.01 | kveroneau | cobra-the-joker, I use KDE, so I never really checked for it in the backports. |
| 09:11.04 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: pretty much |
| 09:11.17 | cobra-the-joker | :( |
| 09:11.32 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home: any news on 7 release date ? |
| 09:11.45 | jelly-home | !wwwr |
| 09:11.46 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 09:11.48 | kveroneau | I'm waiting for KDE in Debian 7, since KDE 4.4.5 is getting old and outdated. |
| 09:11.55 | rasusto | well the sid package has so many dependancies |
| 09:12.04 | rasusto | i might have to upgrade to sid |
| 09:12.28 | cobra-the-joker | kveroneau: i was a KDE user till it became very sluggish on my PC ... still KDE on debian is the best experience i got |
| 09:13.11 | kveroneau | I agree, I tried KDE on other distros, and it was overly bloated. |
| 09:13.44 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home: How can i squash some bugs ? ... i have always been a Debian fan and wanted to give back |
| 09:13.44 | kveroneau | KDE 4.4.5 runs very smoothly and fast on my PC, I could care less for the indexer, so I display it. |
| 09:14.07 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 09:14.07 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 09:14.09 | kveroneau | The indexer tends to break stuff, like krunner(which I absolutely love). |
| 09:14.21 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
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| 09:14.55 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home: you are on the debian team ? |
| 09:14.56 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: look at the list of rc bugs for software you can fix bugs for, and send patches I guess |
| 09:15.13 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: I'm a user. |
| 09:15.16 | cobra-the-joker | but i have to run debian testing ofcourse ... right ? |
| 09:15.40 | jelly-home | it would be harder to fix bugs if you don't run it and verify they're fixed, yes |
| 09:15.49 | kveroneau | forgot how time consuming IRC was... Time really flys while on IRC. |
| 09:16.02 | cobra-the-joker | lol totally |
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| 09:20.08 | rasusto | kveroneau: #nouveau just informed me that the foss vdpau doesn't support h264 anyways |
| 09:20.25 | rasusto | throws his hands up in disgust |
| 09:20.58 | Shoya | ugh |
| 09:22.06 | jelly-home | foss vdpau used to not exist at all until recently |
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| 09:22.58 | kveroneau | What does Android use for it's nVidia Tegra GPU? |
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| 09:23.30 | kveroneau | I figure it's a driver written by nVidia, and not the FOSS Linux driver. |
| 09:25.04 | rasusto | nVidia is an enemy of your freedom |
| 09:25.16 | rasusto | they don't help with the foss driver at all |
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| 09:25.36 | cobra-the-joker | rasusto: but they have their own driver |
| 09:25.42 | jelly-home | kveroneau: it's a completely different soc and gpu from their PC cards; android in general has to deal with more closed IP and closed drivers for video codecs than linux |
| 09:25.53 | rasusto | linus even gave them the finger |
| 09:26.15 | cobra-the-joker | lol ... like the middle one ? |
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| 09:26.59 | Shoya | kveroneau: for codecs, one has to use a special player that plays h264 |
| 09:27.08 | kveroneau | I had an idea of making a similar system to Android, but instead of Java, using Python and FOSS. |
| 09:27.10 | rasusto | cobra-the-joker: http://youtu.be/mv4s0vx4-Fk |
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| 09:27.38 | cobra-the-joker | never thought it will be on video :D |
| 09:28.25 | rasusto | kveroneau: you might be interested in replicant |
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| 09:33.49 | kveroneau | What's replicant? |
| 09:34.16 | kveroneau | Hmm, a FOSS version of Android. |
| 09:34.20 | rasusto | kveroneau: a fully foss android. I uses openjdk instead of sunjava |
| 09:34.32 | rasusto | they have a foss repository too |
| 09:34.50 | rasusto | and support for x11 applications |
| 09:35.00 | kveroneau | If it uses Java, it's not really entirely FOSS now is it. |
| 09:35.25 | rasusto | its openjdk |
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| 09:36.16 | kveroneau | Hmmm, I'd still prefer a "true" FOSS language. |
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| 09:36.41 | kveroneau | OpenJDK is based on a non-FOSS licensed language. |
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| 09:37.04 | rasusto | well, openjdk is licensed under gpl. doesn't get must more free than that |
| 09:37.29 | rasusto | but I have to agree, I'd prefer python over java |
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| 09:40.16 | JBzh | hi |
| 09:40.33 | kveroneau | The idea behind building a python system similar to that of Android. I keep seeing lots of people saying the same thing... They prefer Python over Java. |
| 09:40.50 | rasusto | java is a bloody mess |
| 09:40.54 | kveroneau | That would make for lots of developers if such a system came into fruitation. |
| 09:41.21 | kveroneau | And hopefully at one point kick Java where it really hurts. |
| 09:42.23 | kveroneau | No large companies could sue or claim patent issues against such an system, like Android has attracted in recent years. Only hardware components may attract patent trolls. |
| 09:44.03 | kveroneau | One of these days I bet a patent troll will have their way in court over android, and it may spell it's last breath... Leaving only iOS and WP8/9 to thrive... |
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| 09:44.45 | kveroneau | Something else needs to be made that it at least somewhat usable and patent friendly before Androids fate is doomed. |
| 09:45.13 | kveroneau | I wouldn't be caught walking down the street with an iOS or... gulp... WP device. |
| 09:45.21 | jelly-home | points over to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:45.49 | kveroneau | Sorry, my ranting got a little overboard there... |
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| 11:01.15 | T4shi | Hi, my system doesn't log the bash history i ~/.bash_history file. It doesn't created it or other .files when the user was created. I modified the /etc/profile file and later it created all the .files except the ~/.bash_history file. I've created it manually but it doesn't log nothing there :-( |
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| 11:02.31 | monadicity | T4shi, does env have some thing about HISTORY? |
| 11:02.50 | T4shi | $HISTFILE |
| 11:03.12 | T4shi | -bash: ~/.bash_history: No such file or directory |
| 11:03.21 | monadicity | echo $HISTFILE |
| 11:03.24 | monadicity | what does it print? |
| 11:03.44 | JBzh | maybe check "set -o | grep history" ? |
| 11:04.33 | T4shi | history on |
| 11:04.59 | T4shi | ls -al ~/.bash_history lists the file, because i've created it manually |
| 11:05.35 | MrFrood | T4shi: did you restart the shell after creating it? |
| 11:05.44 | T4shi | echo $HISTFILE -> ~/.bash_history |
| 11:06.04 | T4shi | I've restarted session some times since ssh |
| 11:06.21 | T4shi | Have I to restart any service ? |
| 11:06.53 | MrFrood | T4shi: how did you creat it? |
| 11:07.08 | T4shi | I'll paste bin the /etc/profile lines |
| 11:07.40 | T4shi | I've created the user by: adduser user and then added to the sudoers file |
| 11:08.11 | JBzh | is the file .bash_history writable by the user ? |
| 11:08.36 | MrFrood | T4shi: no how did you create the history file? |
| 11:08.40 | T4shi | then after have senn that the ~/.files wasn't created I've modified the /etc/profile file |
| 11:08.42 | monadicity | T4shi, it shouldn't have a ~ in it when you echo it |
| 11:10.01 | T4shi | after this modification some ~/.files were created but not then ~/.bash_history file. I've created it manually with sudo vim ~/.bash_history. After it I've done sudo chown user ~/.bash_history |
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| 11:10.15 | johskar | In Debian 6, formating a new storage array (hardware raid5) should I just stick with ext4 or are there better options? |
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| 11:11.01 | MrFrood | T4shi: "touch .bash_history" and then "ls -lia | grep history" what permissions does the file have? |
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| 11:12.42 | MrFrood | T4shi: should be owned by the user and read/write for that user |
| 11:13.10 | T4shi | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root |
| 11:13.19 | nevyn | johskar: depends how big it is what it's going to be used for etc |
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| 11:13.51 | MrFrood | T4shi: is it for the root account? |
| 11:14.16 | T4shi | MrFrood: I've done touch .bash_history since the user dir. MrFrood user not root |
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| 11:14.42 | MrFrood | T4shi: there is your issue then |
| 11:14.52 | boudiccas | T4shi: try chown user:user .bash_history |
| 11:15.25 | johskar | nevyn: 12TB after the raid5 was done initializing, using it for storage(everything from photos and movies to install sources) and /home |
| 11:15.59 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to keep X11 settings for my CRT monitor ? I mean everytime I boot X11, it is set at the good resolution, specified in xorg.conf but I have to play with the buttons to center the image if I ever forgot to turn it on before switching to graphic mode. Here's my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/GU38BGxG |
| 11:16.10 | T4shi | boudiccas: I've writed it without sudo command since the user login |
| 11:17.24 | T4shi | /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:17.26 | T4shi | export HISTFILE='~/.bash_history' |
| 11:17.27 | T4shi | #declare -r HISTFILE='~/.bash_history' |
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| 11:17.39 | MrFrood | !tell lord_rob about xorg config squeeze |
| 11:17.40 | T4shi | oops |
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| 11:18.31 | T4shi | It were modifications in /etc/profile |
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| 11:19.26 | mvt007geek | where i can download emu 8086 for debian? |
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| 11:21.35 | T4shi | addition in /etc/profile <- export HISTFILE='~/.bash_history' |
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| 11:21.45 | T4shi | addition in /etc/profile <- #declare -r HISTFILE='~/.bash_history' |
| 11:22.35 | T4shi | MrFrood: , boudiccas I've done chown user:user .bash_history |
| 11:23.05 | invariant | How do I determine given a pdf documen whether it can be opened without errors non-interactively? |
| 11:23.18 | johskar | mvt007geek: tried PCEmu? (can also try EMU8086(www.emu8086.com in wine) |
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| 11:24.24 | T4shi | MrFrood: boudiccas I've exited session and relogged in but there isn't any .bash_history log |
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| 11:26.34 | T4shi | What could I do for diagnose properly the issue? |
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| 11:29.03 | MrFrood | T4shi: ls -lia | grep history |
| 11:29.18 | MrFrood | T4shi: who is the owner now? |
| 11:29.37 | T4shi | user:user |
| 11:30.02 | T4shi | 15589381 -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 0 Dec 29 12:11 .bash_history |
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| 11:31.23 | MrFrood | T4shi: I take is your user is not called "user"? |
| 11:31.36 | T4shi | since: user@debian:~$ ls -lia | grep history |
| 11:31.41 | T4shi | you're right |
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| 11:32.31 | boudiccas | T4shi: you wally! put your user name instead of 'user:user' |
| 11:32.32 | MrFrood | do chmod thing again but using the actual user name |
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| 11:32.55 | T4shi | I've done it boudiccas |
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| 11:33.45 | T4shi | user is an alias only for IRC. I've made the translations |
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| 11:35.31 | T4shi | wow! there are more than one thousand users in this channel |
| 11:36.57 | nevyn | yeah and it's not even the official channel ... |
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| 11:38.20 | T4shi | I don't understand why my system it's not logging the bash history |
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| 11:46.35 | T4shi | boudiccas: MrFrood the user is called xxxx like user that is logged in and used in chown. It's right |
| 11:47.09 | Shoya | T4shi: bash history? |
| 11:47.13 | Shoya | as in command history? |
| 11:47.28 | T4shi | 15589381 -rw-r--r-- 1 xxxx xxxx 0 Dec 29 12:11 .bash_history |
| 11:47.44 | boudiccas | T4shi: stop being so coy, tell us what the user name is |
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| 11:49.03 | T4shi | Shoya what did you mean? |
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| 11:49.17 | Shoya | T4shi: nothing Tashi, i was thinking something else |
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| 11:50.02 | mvt007geek | where in debian i can run my emu8086 programs ?does debian have something like this? |
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| 11:50.11 | rgr | where is the gnome-screensaver setup gone in wheezy? |
| 11:50.12 | T4shi | boudiccas: IT's not necessary |
| 11:50.23 | mvt007geek | where in debian i can run my emu8086 programs ?does debian have something like this? |
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| 11:50.35 | boudiccas | T4shi: suit yourself, good luck, you're on your own |
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| 11:51.51 | T4shi | Thanks boudiccas you are free in to help or not to help |
| 11:53.06 | Shoya | T4shi: .bash_history would be what |
| 11:53.11 | Shoya | commands you've used? |
| 11:53.30 | T4shi | yes Shoya |
| 11:53.45 | rgr | or even how to change which screensaver gnome-screensaver uses? cant see anything in the menus or system settings. |
| 11:53.49 | rgr | (wheezy) |
| 11:54.30 | Shoya | you know that they are separated by users, right? |
| 11:54.49 | Shoya | as in userA won't see userB history |
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| 11:54.54 | Shoya | and viceversa |
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| 11:55.37 | T4shi | i'm in user session and working in user root |
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| 11:56.01 | T4shi | both userA's things |
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| 11:57.25 | T4shi | user |
| 11:57.27 | T4shi | @debian:~$ env | grep -i hist |
| 11:57.28 | T4shi | HISTFILE=~/.bash_history |
| 11:58.10 | mwargh | anybody knows why can't i 'cat' symlink on linux? |
| 11:58.23 | nevyn | mwargh: because it's broken? |
| 11:58.31 | mwargh | nevyn: it's just a file |
| 11:58.40 | mwargh | i wanna view its content |
| 11:58.46 | nevyn | mwargh: ls -l the symlink |
| 11:58.47 | mwargh | i don't care where it points |
| 11:58.49 | nevyn | is it broken. |
| 11:59.07 | mwargh | it it isn't it cats the file itself |
| 11:59.10 | mwargh | and i don't want the file |
| 11:59.14 | mwargh | i want the symlink |
| 11:59.18 | Shoya | T4shi: different users, user is userA, root is userB |
| 11:59.26 | nevyn | mwargh: there's no such thing |
| 11:59.41 | nevyn | cat should return the contents of the symlink target |
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| 11:59.43 | T4shi | Shoya: user@host:~$ env | grep -i hist |
| 11:59.58 | nevyn | there's no such thing as the "contents" of a symlink |
| 12:00.01 | T4shi | Shoya: results the next |
| 12:00.05 | T4shi | Shoya: HISTFILE=~/.bash_history |
| 12:00.07 | Aleksander | Hello. I'm installing Debian sid on my notebook with Realtek wifi card even after installing firmware-realtek it can't see the card. Lspci to be found http://pastebin.com/FC300eHA |
| 12:00.11 | nevyn | mwargh: ^^ |
| 12:00.19 | Aleksander | The card worked perfectly on Ubuntu and Arch |
| 12:00.26 | Aleksander | out of the box |
| 12:00.30 | rgr | mwargh: you dont make much sense Im afraid. its either a symlink to a file or a broken link. you dont "cat a symlink" really. You really cat the file it points to. |
| 12:00.40 | PerfDave | mwargh: What do you think catting a symlink *should* do? |
| 12:00.55 | rgr | so : anyone know how to change the screensave for gnome-screensaver in wheezy? It cant be this hidden/broken surely? |
| 12:01.09 | nevyn | !rtl8101E |
| 12:01.09 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8101E Fast Ethernet controller is supported by the <r8169> driver. RTL8101E v2 is supported as of linux-2.6 2.6.26-21 (part of the <5.0.4> point release). |
| 12:01.35 | mwargh | nevyn: rgr PerfDave sure i do, on freebsed |
| 12:01.38 | mwargh | *freebsd |
| 12:01.42 | mwargh | or on linux using icat |
| 12:01.46 | mwargh | what is a symlink? |
| 12:01.48 | mwargh | it's a file! |
| 12:01.56 | nevyn | well.. yes but. |
| 12:02.01 | mwargh | but? |
| 12:02.03 | Aleksander | nevyn, okay, I found my mistake |
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| 12:02.06 | PerfDave | mwargh: What do you think catting a symlink *should* do? |
| 12:02.14 | Aleksander | it's intel that's wireless, not realtek. silly me. |
| 12:02.15 | nevyn | show me the contents of a symlink via open should return the target contents.... |
| 12:02.27 | nevyn | Aleksander: install firmware |
| 12:02.30 | nevyn | !intel-firmware |
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| 12:03.05 | Aleksander | nevyn, brb |
| 12:03.22 | nevyn | !wl200 |
| 12:03.23 | dpkg | hostap is the preferred Linux kernel driver for Intersil (now Conexant) Prism 2/2.5/3 IEEE 802.11b chipsets (no USB support). Install the hostap-utils package to blacklist the <orinoco> driver. <WPA> support requires station firmware v1.7.4 or later. See also <prism firmware>, <prism2_usb>. http://wiki.debian.org/hostap . For the user-space access point, ask me about <hostapd>. |
| 12:03.29 | T4shi | Shoya: 15589381 -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 0 Dec 29 12:11 .bash_history |
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| 12:04.18 | T4shi | user@debian:~$ ls -lia | grep history |
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| 12:04.31 | mwargh | PerfDave: this http://pastie.org/5592759 |
| 12:04.34 | mwargh | exactly this |
| 12:04.37 | mwargh | just this |
| 12:04.40 | mwargh | please |
| 12:04.42 | T4shi | Shoya: user@debian:~$ ls -lia | grep history |
| 12:04.49 | T4shi | Shoya: results the next |
| 12:04.49 | MrFrood | T4shi: should just be -rw------- |
| 12:04.53 | mwargh | it's fbsd |
| 12:04.56 | T4shi | Shoya: 15589381 -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 0 Dec 29 12:11 .bash_history |
| 12:05.04 | Shoya | yeah, what MrFrood said |
| 12:05.23 | mwargh | ah, my ba |
| 12:05.25 | mwargh | bad |
| 12:05.30 | PerfDave | mwargh: That's catting a directory? |
| 12:05.31 | Shoya | T4shi: it outputs the same as MrFrood's |
| 12:05.34 | mwargh | it really just cats the directory |
| 12:05.43 | mwargh | PerfDave: you're right |
| 12:05.48 | dilig | what is the recommended way of installing a Debian base system in a VM (like Qemu) except the standard installer? debootstrapping or what? |
| 12:06.07 | PerfDave | dilig: "except the standard installer"? |
| 12:06.25 | PerfDave | I just installed Debian in a kvm VM just by booting the installer ISO. |
| 12:06.38 | T4shi | MrFrood: 300? |
| 12:07.10 | mwargh | huh |
| 12:07.48 | dilig | PerfDave: wait... aren't there official virtual disk images with Debian installed? |
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| 12:08.15 | MrFrood | T4shi: 600 |
| 12:08.17 | T4shi | ok MrFrood chmod 600 |
| 12:08.29 | T4shi | chmod 600 .bash_history |
| 12:08.34 | T4shi | done |
| 12:09.01 | Shoya | hmm...? |
| 12:09.15 | dilig | PerfDave: no, they are not official but made by people who are actively developing Debian |
| 12:09.18 | Shoya | what would that "chmod 600 .bash_history" do |
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| 12:09.51 | PerfDave | dilig: I have no idea. |
| 12:10.29 | dilig | ^^ I wish miranda-im were natively available for GNU/Linux ... |
| 12:10.30 | T4shi | Shoya: I think that other users not owners can't read or write the file |
| 12:10.42 | MrFrood | Shoya: set it read write by the user only |
| 12:11.06 | Shoya | right, but the question is, why did it have so many permissions at first? |
| 12:11.14 | MrFrood | /user/owner |
| 12:11.35 | MrFrood | Shoya: T4shi manually created the file |
| 12:11.41 | Shoya | oh |
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| 12:12.10 | Shoya | but why did you manually create it? thought it was created automatically upon first bash session |
| 12:12.21 | MrFrood | Shoya: no |
| 12:12.27 | T4shi | It doesn't happened Shoya |
| 12:12.29 | Shoya | then again, my history has the commands i did on my first session |
| 12:12.40 | T4shi | It doesn't happened Shoya |
| 12:12.44 | rgr | whats your bash history size set to? |
| 12:12.49 | T4shi | oh sorry |
| 12:12.54 | Shoya | like when i booted up debian for the first time |
| 12:12.55 | T4shi | In your session maybe Shoya |
| 12:13.02 | T4shi | In my session... |
| 12:13.03 | Shoya | rgr: i haven't reached the default 500 |
| 12:13.05 | T4shi | It doesn't happened Shoya |
| 12:13.16 | Shoya | well, idk then |
| 12:13.49 | rgr | last attempt : can someone tell me how to configure gnome screensaver in wheezy? |
| 12:14.10 | T4shi | Shoya when I booted debian for the first time there wasn't the user:user |
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| 12:14.12 | mvt007geek | s ther any emu8086 for linux? i want to run a program that i run in windows emu 8086. how can i run it in debian? |
| 12:14.20 | mvt007geek | *there |
| 12:14.44 | abrotman | without a full vm? |
| 12:14.47 | dilig | rgr: haven't used gnome for a long time since I hate it but shouldn't it be something like clicking on System -> Settings -> Screensaver or so? |
| 12:15.04 | rgr | ok so you dont know;) wheezy. |
| 12:15.14 | abrotman | rgr: configure to do what? |
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| 12:15.35 | damo22 | what is the command to rebuild the initramfs? |
| 12:16.17 | Shoya | user:user, ok, i don't really know how you did your install, but well mine was just pressing next, ok, and stuff |
| 12:16.17 | abrotman | damo22: update-initramfs -u ? |
| 12:16.23 | dilig | did you already know that gnome is a great desktop environment when it is replaced by something else? |
| 12:16.27 | abrotman | rgr: ? |
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| 12:17.23 | damo22 | abrotman: ty, i just converted my macbookpro from legacy to EFI grub, i had to muck around to get it to boot, but i want to ensure i have all the modules i need in the initramfs |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:17.31 | rgr | dilig: I'm not sure what you're getting at. This is wheezy. Things have changed. I cant for the life of me see where to set the screensaver and timeout for the screensaver. Its not in power or disply settings under system settings and there is not screensaver option in the menus. |
| 12:17.36 | abrotman | rgr |
| 12:17.50 | damo22 | abrotman: do you happen to know where i can get a list of efi modules that i might need? |
| 12:18.02 | abrotman | wonders if rgr has him on /ign |
| 12:18.13 | abrotman | damo22: no, sorry |
| 12:18.15 | rgr | no I dont. Its above ^ sorry, |
| 12:18.35 | abrotman | rgr: give me a few minutes to turn on that laptop |
| 12:18.36 | dilig | rgr: are you using gnome-screensaver? If yes, have you read its manpage ? |
| 12:19.03 | rgr | dilig: if you're going to rtfm me dont bother. Thanks. |
| 12:19.28 | invariant | rgr, have you tried different desktop environments? I can't quite comprehend that there is anyone who actually likes Gnome and isn't lying. |
| 12:19.49 | rgr | invariant: please stop troling. Gnome is fine for many people and the default for debian and ubuntu. |
| 12:19.52 | dilig | rgr: sorry, but since I don't know that software all I can do is trying to reference the appropriate manpage, didn't mean to insult you |
| 12:20.20 | invariant | rgr, Gnome is not the default for Ubuntu. |
| 12:20.24 | rgr | for anyone not tring to tell me to dump gnome I use a combo of gnome and xmonad and its very very powerful. |
| 12:20.50 | invariant | rgr, the GTK widget set perhaps is, but that hardly means anything. |
| 12:21.04 | rgr | and for the rtfm'ers - had dilig read the gnome-screensave man page himself he would see that its effecively useless. |
| 12:21.07 | dilig | invariant is right. Although Linus is an arrogant bastard when he speaks about gnome he speaks out of my soul |
| 12:21.26 | rgr | which is why I'm asking here : wheezy. Not squeeze or lenny. |
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| 12:22.06 | dilig | rgr: have you tried #gnome ? most people avoid gnome in here |
| 12:22.44 | babilen | dilig: That is simply not true. Lets also focus on the issue at hand please and let us not concern with metadiscussions that lead nowhere. Thanks :) |
| 12:22.53 | invariant | I am not sure where one needs to go for Gnome support; perhaps the mailinglists? |
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| 12:23.26 | invariant | #gnome is usually dead. |
| 12:23.33 | dilig | babilen: what is not true? what I said about Linux or that most people in here avoid gnome? |
| 12:23.34 | abrotman | rgr: okay, what are you trying to configure again? |
| 12:23.37 | abrotman | invariant: wrong network |
| 12:23.50 | invariant | abrotman, I also used gimp. |
| 12:23.51 | abrotman | dilig: please drop it |
| 12:24.11 | babilen | dilig: That "most people in here avoid gnome" -- that statement also helps nothing. Lets drop this. Help if you want and can or not. |
| 12:25.21 | abrotman | waits for rgr to return ... |
| 12:26.01 | invariant | Did he already leave? http://askubuntu.com/questions/64086/how-can-i-change-or-install-screensavers |
| 12:26.12 | invariant | This seems to apply to Debian too. |
| 12:26.21 | dilig | is there a more effective way of getting a recent Debian Wheezy system into a VM other than installing it with the Debian installer? |
| 12:26.21 | Shoya | and rgr got scared away, well darn, anyway, GOD JESUS renice + almost dead 1TB drive + ddrescue = pain in the arse |
| 12:26.36 | abrotman | dilig: which vm sy system ? |
| 12:26.38 | jelly-home | dilig: there is no official image if that's what you're asking |
| 12:26.51 | dilig | abrotman: qemu/KVM |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | dilig: nothing offidcial .. ISTR they have them on their site? |
| 12:27.16 | dilig | abrotman: the host is also Debian Wheezy but I want a VM for flash and other non-free software |
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| 12:27.43 | abrotman | eh, that seems a bit much just to use flash |
| 12:27.46 | dilig | jelly-home: I know that there is no official image. I am asking if debootstrapping is recommended or what |
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| 12:28.22 | abrotman | rgr: for me, what you're looking for seems to be under "Brightness & Lock" .. NFC why they moved it there |
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| 12:30.25 | dilig | abrotman: are you using critical software such as flash just inside a chroot? That's not enough security for me... |
| 12:30.59 | abrotman | dilig: have you looked at using gnash or lightspark instead? |
| 12:31.44 | dilig | abrotman: is gnash already capable of playing flash streams like the live stream of Press TV ? |
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| 12:32.05 | abrotman | i've never heard of PressTV |
| 12:32.27 | dilig | abrotman: it's because the government is silencing it dead because they give real news |
| 12:32.39 | Shoya | or maybe Twitch.tv? or Justin.tv |
| 12:32.40 | dilig | abrotman: please check if this works: www.presstv.ir/live.html |
| 12:32.53 | dilig | with gnash |
| 12:33.25 | abrotman | dilig: i have adobe flash, it will work .. this is for you to test, i can't possibly know all your flash sites you want working |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | dilig: if you ask nicely, someone else with gnash may be around |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | wonders if epiphany uses gnash |
| 12:33.53 | dilig | abrotman: :) |
| 12:34.48 | dilig | the US is trying to silence all media that speaks critical of the occupation entity named as Israel. Like Press TV |
| 12:34.55 | abrotman | i bet ... |
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| 12:35.15 | dilig | could please anyone using a recent version of gnash test if this stream is working? www.presstv.ir/live.html |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | dilig: are you unable to install gnash or lightspark ? |
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| 12:36.12 | dilig | abrotman: browser-plugin-lightspark ? never heard of it before |
| 12:36.27 | abrotman | !tell dilig about lightspark |
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| 12:36.57 | dilig | abrotman: nice! How does it compete with gnash? |
| 12:37.09 | abrotman | dilig: see comments above :) |
| 12:37.22 | abrotman | rgr: did you fall asleep at the teleprompter again? |
| 12:37.46 | dilig | abrotman: sorry... which comments? |
| 12:37.54 | abrotman | dilig: using adobe flash :) |
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| 12:38.45 | dilig | abrotman: you mean that you are using flash and don't know? |
| 12:38.56 | iceroot | is "apt-get changelog foobar" ubuntu-specific? my debian 6 is not finding the option changelog but i wanted to read the latest changelog for foobar. |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | dilig: right, you'll have to try them both |
| 12:39.02 | dilig | If yes, how are you using flash? Just on the host, chroot... ? |
| 12:39.09 | abrotman | iceroot: aptitude changelog foo, or apt-listchanges foo |
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| 12:39.25 | hramrach | hello |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | dilig: just on the host .. i'm not paranoid |
| 12:39.43 | iceroot | abrotman: is aptitude fine on multiarch? because on ubuntu (sorry to talk about that in #debian) its failing on multiarch |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | dilig: what are they going to steal? my Debian IRC logs? |
| 12:39.47 | hramrach | how do I make Debian wheezy bring up lo on boot? |
| 12:39.56 | abrotman | hramrach: should already be in your interfaces file |
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| 12:40.04 | hramrach | it is |
| 12:40.07 | hramrach | is not brought up |
| 12:40.16 | jelly-home | hramrach: is there an "auto lo" line in there? |
| 12:40.21 | hramrach | yes |
| 12:40.36 | abrotman | hramrach: pastebin your interfaces file please |
| 12:40.47 | nkuttler | hramrach: does /etc/init.d/networking run at boot? |
| 12:40.50 | dilig | hramrach: so it's not brought up on boot but `ifconfig lo up' does it? |
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| 12:42.09 | hramrach | dilig: I bring it up with 'ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1' |
| 12:42.19 | hramrach | nkuttler: how do I tell? |
| 12:44.03 | hramrach | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/220057/ |
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| 12:45.08 | babilen | hramrach: It is defined on line 6 and will be brought up automatically due to line 5 |
| 12:45.09 | hramrach | iceroot: it's failing if you use obsolete version |
| 12:45.25 | hramrach | babilen: it is not brought up when I boot |
| 12:45.32 | jelly-home | dilig: 32bit gnash from wheezy and Firefox 17.0.1 fail, but the iPhone stream works in vlc. |
| 12:45.52 | babilen | hramrach: Could you take it down and run "ifup -a" and show me the result? (i.e. "ifconfig" afterwards) |
| 12:45.53 | hramrach | I know that the file looks like it should be brought up but it is not |
| 12:47.18 | dilig | jelly-home: thanks. Can you please tell me if vlc streams audio of this? I only get video. mms://217.218.67.243/presstv |
| 12:47.22 | hramrach | # ifup -a |
| 12:47.24 | hramrach | ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 12:47.24 | iceroot | hramrach: thank you |
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| 12:48.08 | hramrach | iceroot: btw they do have working version in Ubuntu but not in every release |
| 12:48.16 | jelly-home | dilig: no audio on that one |
| 12:48.31 | jelly-home | dilig: http://presstv-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/203651/presstv/presstv/presstv.m3u8 works in vlc |
| 12:48.34 | hramrach | babilen: ifup does nothing |
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| 12:48.42 | hramrach | that's why it does not bring up lo |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | hramrach: and ifconfig -a, shows no lo? |
| 12:49.15 | hramrach | it is there but down until I bring it up manually |
| 12:49.29 | dilig | jelly-home: works, but the iphone stream has a horrible resolution... |
| 12:49.59 | abrotman | it's made for an iphone ;) |
| 12:50.05 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 12:50.20 | dilig | abrotman: could be ... would also explain its name ... |
| 12:50.37 | babilen | hramrach: Please show us the output. Does "ifup lo" activate it? How do you test if it is? Paste relevant commands and output to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 12:50.57 | babilen | hramrach: "ifup -a" should bring up all interfaces with "auto IFACE" in /e/n/i |
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| 12:53.03 | hramrach | http://paste.debian.net/220059/ |
| 12:54.37 | hramrach | babilen: ifup does nothing |
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| 12:54.54 | babilen | hramrach: Well, you have an obvious error there, don't you? Which version of Debian is that? |
| 12:55.03 | hramrach | wheezy |
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| 12:55.57 | jelly-home | /run migration gone wrong |
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| 12:56.06 | hramrach | babilen: that error is not shown in boot logs |
| 12:56.10 | babilen | hramrach: did you install it as wheezy? Your /run migration was borked and you should fix that |
| 12:56.27 | hramrach | babilen: I did not install as wheezy |
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| 12:57.18 | hramrach | any info on that run migration somewhere? |
| 12:57.28 | dilig | is the 180 MB small CD for a full Debian base system? |
| 12:57.37 | dilig | * enough for ... |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | CD? |
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| 12:58.08 | jelly-home | probably not enough for a netinst |
| 12:58.31 | hramrach | check the install image sizes ;-) |
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| 12:58.46 | hramrach | but the smallest was like 2MB alst time I looked |
| 12:59.00 | hramrach | loeaded everything from network |
| 12:59.11 | dilig | I don't want netinst I want the smallest image for a complete base system of Debian |
| 12:59.22 | jelly-home | dilig: netinst IS that. |
| 12:59.27 | Towzzer | it's what you install that makes it small |
| 12:59.39 | jelly-home | dilig: there's only the base system on it, nothing more |
| 12:59.42 | Towzzer | you could use the DVD or the netinstall image but what you select during installation will determine what size the system is |
| 13:00.25 | Brigo | dilig: what is a "complete base system" for you? |
| 13:00.33 | dilig | jelly-home: so I can install from netinst image without net access during installation? |
| 13:00.49 | jelly-home | dilig: YES |
| 13:01.21 | hramrach | so how do I fix /run migration? |
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| 13:01.35 | dilig | Brigo: this under 3.7: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary |
| 13:02.12 | babilen | hramrach: Which version of base-files do you have installed? |
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| 13:02.35 | hramrach | ii base-files 7.1 |
| 13:02.40 | dilig | jelly-home: then I am wondering why it is actually called netinst... I thought it were named so because it needs net access for a base system... |
| 13:02.51 | Brigo | dilig: so you need only netinstall. |
| 13:03.07 | dilig | jelly-home: thanks |
| 13:03.24 | novoid | "adduser vk fuse" adds me to the group "fuse" but: "groups" does not list "fuse" even in new Terminal. "id vk" lists "fuse" as one of my groups. What do do? (Wheezy) |
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| 13:03.40 | Brigo | dilig: no it only install the base, who is quite useless, you need net for install interesting things. |
| 13:03.53 | hramrach | novoid: you mut log in again (or use su or something) |
| 13:04.32 | novoid | hramrach: I thought that a new Terminal window would work: it logs me in, doesn't it? |
| 13:04.48 | hramrach | novoid: no, it does not |
| 13:05.03 | babilen | hramrach: And initscripts? |
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| 13:05.07 | novoid | hramrach: Thanks! "su vk" did the trick! |
| 13:05.34 | hramrach | ii initscripts 2.88dsf-35 |
| 13:05.40 | dilig | I once read 32bit guests on 64 bit hosts where more performant rather than 64bit guests. Is this right? |
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| 13:06.19 | hramrach | it very much depends on the microbenchmark you use to measure 'performance' |
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| 13:06.40 | babilen | hramrach: May I also see "ls -ld /run" ? |
| 13:07.14 | hramrach | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 500 Dec 29 13:23 /run |
| 13:08.06 | hramrach | but no /run/network |
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| 13:08.52 | hramrach | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 4 00:36 /var/run -> /run |
| 13:09.35 | babilen | hramrach: I have to leave for a second - The run migration has been done /ages/ ago (base-files 6.2 IIRC), I would check your logs for further problems. /run should contain network/ifstate (check the networking init script), but I am not sure what you've done to b0rk this. |
| 13:10.31 | hramrach | I have no /run/network |
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| 13:10.42 | hramrach | so I guess there is no place to put ifstate then |
| 13:11.27 | Towzzer | make the directory |
| 13:11.44 | Towzzer | most of the time what seems like something special the system is using is actually just a file |
| 13:11.47 | PerfDave | Hmm, what dpkg factoids do I need to read for a laptop with multiple graphics cards (intel and nVidia) using wheezy? |
| 13:12.10 | hramrach | yes, when I make the directory ifup works |
| 13:12.16 | hramrach | thanks |
| 13:12.22 | Towzzer | aren't factoids those things under snapple bottle caps? |
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| 13:12.52 | hramrach | PerfDave: this is not very well supported |
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| 13:13.30 | hramrach | try #nouveau or #dri-devel for latest news ;-) |
| 13:14.29 | hramrach | the support level very much depends on your particular laptop model and how the outputs are wired among outer things |
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| 13:15.38 | JyZyXEL | whats the safest way of installing a single unstable package to squeeze? |
| 13:16.27 | [z_z] | I just installed evolution and its waving a problem displaying foreign characters. namely korean. any idea what i can do? |
| 13:16.27 | hramrach | download the source package and build on stable |
| 13:16.46 | hramrach | install korean fonts? |
| 13:17.08 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: What package? |
| 13:17.23 | JyZyXEL | digitemp 3.6.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 13:17.26 | hramrach | have people send you properly encoded messages with the encoding properly specified in the meaders? |
| 13:17.44 | hramrach | *headers |
| 13:17.46 | JyZyXEL | it shouldn't have any dependacies to other new packages |
| 13:18.00 | jackbrownhf | hello could anyone help me enabling my backlight KEyboard on ASUS N56VZ laptop ? |
| 13:18.12 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: I'd download the source and use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:18.25 | JyZyXEL | which source? |
| 13:18.44 | hramrach | the digitemp source package |
| 13:18.50 | dilig | jelly-home: this iphone stream seems to be way behing the live stream on presstv's website. Like five to ten minutes |
| 13:18.51 | JyZyXEL | debian source package? |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | dilig: so try lightspark |
| 13:20.23 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about ssb |
| 13:22.12 | JyZyXEL | why does it say to enable backports? |
| 13:22.13 | dilig | when I have the wheezy VM up and running I will test gnash and lightspark |
| 13:22.40 | dilig | !tell JyZyXEL about backports |
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| 13:22.54 | JyZyXEL | yeah but what does that have to do with building sid sources |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: no, it says to check to see if it exists |
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| 13:23.13 | JyZyXEL | no it says to enable it later too |
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| 13:23.17 | JyZyXEL | !ssb |
| 13:23.17 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 13:23.20 | JyZyXEL | see step 2) |
| 13:23.21 | abrotman | oh .. weird, no idea |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: perhaps to make the building easier |
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| 13:24.18 | JyZyXEL | im thinking the package will build on stable just fine |
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| 13:25.54 | abrotman | okay |
| 13:26.07 | hramrach | Towzzer: so I reboot and the /run/network directory is gone again and lo is not brough up again |
| 13:26.21 | babilen | hramrach: AFAICT the directories in question are created by the postinst script of ifupdown -- Which version of that do you have installed? Do you still have /etc/network ? |
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| 13:27.09 | hramrach | ii ifupdown 0.7.5 |
| 13:27.23 | babilen | hramrach: Please reinstall that package - What about /etc/network ? |
| 13:27.43 | hramrach | it's there |
| 13:28.27 | babilen | hramrach: Ok, I am referring to /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst btw |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | wonders what happened to rgr |
| 13:29.36 | babilen | hramrach: Correctly running that script should fix your problems (it essentially migrates /etc/network/run to /run/network/) |
| 13:29.41 | JyZyXEL | apt-get -b sid digitemp |
| 13:29.43 | JyZyXEL | E: Invalid operation sid |
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| 13:29.47 | babilen | hramrach: Do you still have /etc/network/run ? |
| 13:29.56 | hramrach | yes |
| 13:30.03 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't it work :\ |
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| 13:30.06 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: read it again ... |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | the factoid i mean |
| 13:30.10 | babilen | hramrach: Even after reinstalling the package? |
| 13:30.30 | hramrach | the postinst just says it's removing it |
| 13:30.54 | hramrach | it's a symlink, still there |
| 13:30.58 | JyZyXEL | i did read it again |
| 13:31.01 | JyZyXEL | it should be correct |
| 13:31.08 | babilen | hramrach: Yes, it should be a symlink to /run/network |
| 13:31.21 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: an operation would be "install" "source" "update" "upgrade" etc. it's really an error only a first day debian user would make and then not spot |
| 13:31.36 | hramrach | ok, another try |
| 13:31.38 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: source, not sid |
| 13:31.39 | JyZyXEL | well where do i tell it to take it from the sid? |
| 13:31.50 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: -t sid |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | he doesn't have to |
| 13:32.02 | babilen | hramrach: Well, check if all the directories/files created by that script are now in order. (you can also perform the migration manually, by following the procedure in that script) |
| 13:32.08 | wols_ | abrotman: his package didn't change between squeeze and sid? |
| 13:32.36 | abrotman | it should grab the newest source it can |
| 13:32.49 | JyZyXEL | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'sid' of package 'digitemp' |
| 13:33.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: apt-get -b source digitemp |
| 13:33.43 | JyZyXEL | but then i don't have any control what source it chooses |
| 13:33.55 | JyZyXEL | it might take one from squeeze |
| 13:34.01 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you didn't add the sid sources to your sources.list? |
| 13:34.06 | JyZyXEL | i did |
| 13:34.14 | JyZyXEL | but i also have all the other sources there |
| 13:34.19 | abrotman | thought we just covered this .. |
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| 13:35.40 | hramrach | babilen: but ater reboot the /run/network directory is gone |
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| 13:39.18 | babilen | hramrach: The directory is created during boot by /etc/init.d/networking script in the check_ifstate function |
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| 13:41.15 | babilen | hramrach: So, figure out why that isn't run or what causes an error during its execution and you should be set. |
| 13:43.43 | dilig | where can I find the md5sum of http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ? |
| 13:44.42 | babilen | dilig: In http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MD5SUMS (surprise!!!) |
| 13:44.54 | dilig | babilen: ah right, forgit, sorry ;) |
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| 13:50.41 | fakuniksrv | how can I reinstall grub from the cd install? |
| 13:51.09 | dokma | fakuniksrv: probably from a chroot |
| 13:51.23 | fakuniksrv | dokma: how do I do that? |
| 13:51.28 | dokma | did you finish the install already? |
| 13:51.28 | fakuniksrv | dokma: it's on /dev/sda |
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| 13:51.42 | fakuniksrv | dokma: I installed windows over it. |
| 13:52.11 | dokma | now you have just windows on /dev/sda ? |
| 13:53.10 | tdn | What do I need to consider in order to optimize performance when installing debian linux on a USB flash drive? Which file systems to use? Any particular settings I should use? |
| 13:53.21 | fakuniksrv | dokma: windows /dev/sda4, debian: /dev/sda1 |
| 13:53.27 | Towzzer | noatime on the fs |
| 13:53.42 | Towzzer | that will help out alot on the flash drive |
| 13:54.10 | fakuniksrv | dokma: I want grub to mbr. |
| 13:54.23 | tdn | Towzzer, ok. ext4? Any special packages to install? |
| 13:54.36 | dokma | fakuniksrv: and you are booted now in a live cd? |
| 13:54.46 | fakuniksrv | dokma: ubuntu live cd |
| 13:55.00 | dokma | try: mkdir /mnt/root |
| 13:55.09 | dokma | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/root |
| 13:55.19 | dokma | chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 13:55.25 | dokma | pardon |
| 13:55.31 | dokma | you need this before the last one |
| 13:55.42 | dokma | mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev |
| 13:55.47 | dokma | mount --bind /sys /mnt/root/sys |
| 13:55.53 | dokma | mount --bind /proc /mnt/root/proc |
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| 13:56.03 | dokma | and then chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 13:56.17 | fakuniksrv | dokma: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 13:56.30 | Towzzer | I can only recommend that, maybe turning off logging as much as possible |
| 13:56.38 | Towzzer | writing to a flash wears it down |
| 13:56.40 | dokma | do you have bash in /mnt/root/bin/ ?? |
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| 13:57.36 | guest | dokma: should I try that from debian installation cd? |
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| 13:58.05 | dokma | guest: I was talking to fakuniksrv |
| 13:58.14 | guest | dokma: that's me (: |
| 13:58.25 | fakuniksrv | ^ |
| 13:58.37 | dokma | the installation cd should've left you with a bootable system |
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| 13:58.50 | dokma | but if you are in a live cd then you should do this |
| 13:59.04 | guest | dokma: yes, but I installed windows afterwards, and I want grub on it... |
| 13:59.07 | guest | dokma: I'm on a ubuntu live cd now. |
| 13:59.18 | dokma | yes then that is what you need to do |
| 13:59.36 | dokma | setup a chroot and make grub install on sda and update it's grub.cfg |
| 13:59.39 | guest | dokma: thanks I will try |
| 13:59.55 | tdn | Towzzer, any guide on how to turn off most logging? |
| 13:59.56 | dokma | don't forget to bind dev sys and proc into the chroot |
| 14:00.05 | tdn | Towzzer, I think I will log via syslog to a remote server actually. |
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| 14:00.41 | guest | dokma: thanks, I'll just reinstall the whole system again. |
| 14:01.01 | dokma | well... this is a bit faster |
| 14:01.14 | dokma | but if that makes you more certain of your system that's ok too |
| 14:01.25 | Towzzer | tdn, that's a good idea |
| 14:01.32 | guest | dokma: thanks for help (: |
| 14:01.36 | dokma | np |
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| 14:01.48 | tapout | I cannot see anything on my burned DVD-R. It's burned from a toshiba dr7, and I know there is content on the DVD... I have a DVD-R drive and if I burn anything on a new DVD, I can see it... So I know it's not the drive. Is there anyway to get the content off the DVD-R and onto the computer? Anyone know what's up here? I suspected they formatted something that isn't NFTS or fat32... something |
| 14:01.48 | tapout | along those lines... Or encrypted it... any ideas? |
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| 14:02.10 | tdn | Towzzer, thanks for the tips. You got more ideas? |
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| 14:02.40 | Shutdown | hi guys |
| 14:03.21 | Towzzer | that's all I can think of, preventing writes to the flash drive |
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| 14:04.33 | Shutdown | i'm stuck in a debian squeeze live, with Xfce. It requests login and password, but i'm don't have idea. I already searched at Internet, and tried a lot of combinations, but i didn't have success |
| 14:05.03 | dilig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.38 | Towzzer | dilig, you might need to use the multiarch image |
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| 14:07.10 | xand | tapout: how did you mount it? |
| 14:07.22 | Shutdown | if someone could show a link to a solution for my problem, i would appreciate |
| 14:07.41 | xand | Shutdown: you mean you forgot your password? |
| 14:07.52 | tapout | I tried, ntfs, ufs, ext4, ext3, and fat ... |
| 14:07.53 | dilig | Towzzer: host and guest is both amd64 |
| 14:07.56 | tapout | all show zero |
| 14:08.14 | Shutdown | xand: i just started the debian live |
| 14:08.26 | guest | dilig, I'm i386. |
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| 14:08.44 | xand | tapout: a dvd is likely to be iso9660 or udf |
| 14:08.57 | dilig | guest: ;) |
| 14:09.11 | Shutdown | xand: but it asks for a login and a password, but the debian live project website does not give any information about it |
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| 14:09.28 | tapout | omg, i didn't know about iso9660 and udf, I'll try those :) |
| 14:09.31 | tapout | thanks |
| 14:09.50 | xand | Shutdown: try user and live |
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| 14:09.59 | tapout | i thought maybe it would just work in windows, nothing there either |
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| 14:10.49 | Shutdown | xand: i already tried these, without success |
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| 14:11.33 | thomas___ | hey my hd that hosted my /var dir died now my apt database is missing is there an easy way to regenerate it? |
| 14:12.02 | thomas___ | I tried google but only found some ugly workarounds and apt-cache -g and similar but nothing really worked |
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| 14:13.57 | Towzzer | thomas, if that's where apt stores it's database for what it's installed |
| 14:14.07 | Towzzer | not sure how it can scan your system to figure out packages |
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| 14:14.22 | Towzzer | it would have to have knowledge of every package's layout to do that |
| 14:14.27 | Towzzer | including ones you never installed |
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| 14:20.47 | thomas___ | Towzzer: yup but I gues debian repos don't have a database like that right? |
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| 14:22.37 | Towzzer | thomas, not that i'm aware of . it would be a very time consuming operation. |
| 14:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomas___, yes... policy says debian packages have to have /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 14:23.05 | Towzzer | I think the program would have to obtain every package, then see if it's installed |
| 14:23.08 | Towzzer | apt, that is |
| 14:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, status-recovery |
| 14:23.24 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 14:24.24 | Towzzer | he's missing all of var, so that second command would work |
| 14:24.28 | Towzzer | pretty nifty |
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| 14:25.10 | Shutdown | i already found the solution: i just added the parameter "live-config" for the kernel, at the boot time |
| 14:25.22 | Shutdown | xand: thanks for the support |
| 14:25.36 | xand | oh... |
| 14:25.45 | thomas___ | CutMeOwnThroat: /var is missing^^ I think I will hack something with "ls /usr/share/doc" |
| 14:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomas___, I thought you tried to recover it... see 2nd part of the factoid |
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| 14:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | thomas___, this works kinda ok for debian packages but fails for most packages that are from someone else, as those most often don't adhere to Debian policies |
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| 14:28.19 | hramrach | babilen: the networking script would never run. Since I netboot I have networking but not lo |
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| 14:28.55 | hramrach | enabling the script with insserv solves the issue. now lo is brought up |
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| 14:29.07 | hramrach | but now another issue |
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| 14:29.20 | hramrach | how do I shut down the system? |
| 14:29.23 | shingouz | thomas___: plus you should be prepared to do some proofreading and manual corrections. been there, done it and have the scars to prove it: not fun |
| 14:30.09 | hramrach | it locks up on shutdown with [sdc] synchronizing disk cache or something |
| 14:30.22 | hramrach | since sdc is on network this is not surprising |
| 14:30.48 | shingouz | hramrach: nfs share? |
| 14:30.56 | hramrach | iscsi |
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| 14:31.09 | hramrach | nfs is not a block device |
| 14:31.21 | shingouz | hramrach: try a forced umount on the drive |
| 14:32.03 | hramrach | it does not make any difference if it's mounted or not |
| 14:32.04 | PerfDave | If I've got a dual-boot Debian / Windows system on my HDD, is there any way to run Windows as a kvm VM inside Debian? Seems like it *should* be possible... |
| 14:32.18 | hramrach | the failing part is sync which can be done on unmounted device |
| 14:32.39 | hramrach | unless that is part of unmount |
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| 14:33.06 | shingouz | ..beats me, i have not fooled around with iscsi yet... i have too ancient hardware here |
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| 14:33.22 | hramrach | PerfDave: it would not work because kvm has different hardware from your actual PC and windows cannot deal with that |
| 14:34.05 | PerfDave | hramrach: I can boot the Windows install in kvm on a different machine, by feeding it the whole disk in an external caddy. Windows isn't the problem :) |
| 14:34.31 | PerfDave | I'm thinking I just need to fudge a partition table for the "disk" |
| 14:35.04 | hramrach | I don't think kvm supports that |
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| 14:36.10 | hramrach | you would have to fudge a block device or file that looks like your disk but only allows access to the Windows part and mbr |
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| 14:36.50 | hramrach | you could give kvm the whole disk as well, maybe WIndows won't poke the parts of disk it does not understand |
| 14:37.04 | hramrach | but if it does it will break the linux installation |
| 14:37.17 | hramrach | Linux would definitely not be safe to boot like that |
| 14:38.03 | hramrach | if you booted anohter Linux from the same disk in kvm it would poke at your mounted partition and break them |
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| 14:40.11 | PerfDave | Well, not without the LUKS passphrase it wouldn't :) |
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| 14:40.48 | hramrach | you can try |
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| 14:40.59 | hramrach | technically it may work |
| 14:41.11 | hramrach | but if it breaks you get to keep the pieces |
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| 14:41.20 | nycjv321 | anyone use R? I am trying to install PBSmapping in both apt-get and through R says it doesn't exist |
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| 14:42.09 | nycjv321 | ah I see |
| 14:42.22 | nycjv321 | debian sid I think uses an older version of R |
| 14:43.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | PerfDave, the problem is, that your virtual hardware is different from your real hardware... that creates so many problems, that there is usually no support in the vm s for it |
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| 14:44.16 | PerfDave | CutMeOwnThroat: As I've said, that isn't a problem here. I have no issues jumping between Win7 in a VM on a seperate host, and booting it natively. |
| 14:44.39 | hramrach | it's better with win7 than it used to |
| 14:45.18 | hramrach | you can even upgrade graphics driver without rebooting |
| 14:45.40 | hramrach | and it does not support obsolete hardware so it uses only one kernel |
| 14:46.13 | dilig | if you have Debian Wheezy amd64 with qemu/KVM installed, please check this: http://paste.debian.net/220090/ |
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| 14:47.18 | dilig | (where mini.iso should be debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso) |
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| 14:48.59 | PerfDave | hramrach: Win7 has drivers for QEMU virtual hardware. |
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| 14:53.56 | hramrach | PerfDave: it's more like qemu emulates something so ancient even Win XP has drivers for that |
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| 14:54.24 | rgr | in synaptic theres supposed to be an "origin" search to list packages installed from a certain repo - I cant see it! Can some kind soul point it out please. |
| 14:55.10 | rgr | oh I see it! |
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| 14:55.24 | oo_miguel | where does fetchmail put my mails ? sometimes it takes quite a while, between they disappear from the pop mail-box of my provider, and appear in /var/mail/ ? |
| 14:55.39 | oo_miguel | where are the mails during this time? |
| 14:55.55 | hramrach | maybe queued somewhere |
| 14:56.00 | rgr | maybe? |
| 14:56.09 | hramrach | and maybe your mail client does not poll /ver/mail so often |
| 14:56.21 | hramrach | so the mails are there but you don't see them |
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| 14:57.07 | PerfDave | hramrach: No, Win7 has specific drivers for QEMU virtual hardware, which it refers to as QEMU virtual hardware, not as some ancient device. Could you please stop opining on things you clearly know nothing about? |
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| 14:59.25 | hramrach | I know what qemu emulates by default and it's some PII era chipset with PCI IDE contreller and some ancient graphics |
| 15:00.17 | oo_miguel | So fetchmail should put the mails directly into /var/mail? or is there some other programm that is distributing them somehow? |
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| 15:02.41 | PerfDave | hramrach: Whatever qemu emulates, it is recognised specifically *as* QEMU by Windows 7. The Windows 7 drivers are called "QEMU virtual disk" and the like. |
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| 15:04.25 | hramrach | that's because the disk name string is 'qemu virtual disk' |
| 15:04.45 | hramrach | stop opinig about something you don't understand :p |
| 15:04.52 | PerfDave | Oh whatever, I'm done with you. |
| 15:05.09 | Zitter | is there a way to know to which /dev/<something> is assigner a Bus/Device in lsusb? |
| 15:05.16 | Zitter | *assigned |
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| 15:06.16 | hramrach | Zitter: maybe try looking in /sys |
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| 15:10.20 | Zitter | hramrach, is it possible that udev is messing with USBs? I have 5 sub attached and, just to say, I've noticed that sane-find-scanner "sees" 2 scanner where the second one is a usb wireless dongle! |
| 15:10.40 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to set up vsftpd with virtual users. the tutorial i followed said i should use "db3_load" instead of db_load, but i couldnt that find in the debian repo. i installed db[5.1]-util instead. i'm suspecting that might be the problem |
| 15:10.51 | TomyLobo | where can i find a db3_load for wheezy? |
| 15:11.14 | Zitter | arduino IDE sometimes has 3 USB ports to choose, sometime 2 |
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| 15:11.36 | TomyLobo | or an updated version of vsftpd which doesn't rely on an ancient db format |
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| 15:12.24 | hramrach | Zitter: udev has something to do with any device |
| 15:12.29 | hramrach | not just usb |
| 15:12.29 | Zitter | in /sys/bus/usb-serial/devices there is ttyUSB1 but I think this one is referring to something else |
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| 15:12.57 | hramrach | it has also the device name and id somewhere there |
| 15:12.57 | Zitter | so, what I have to look? Which service manage USBs= |
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| 15:13.21 | hramrach | so you should be able to tell them apart looking at different /sys files |
| 15:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zitter, you should see in dmesg what device it gets. |
| 15:13.39 | hramrach | that's also a possibility |
| 15:13.50 | hramrach | you replug it and see which device appears |
| 15:14.08 | hramrach | but scanning /sys works for non-pluggable devices too |
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| 15:14.22 | Zitter | in dmesg or in /var/log/messages ? |
| 15:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also feel that you're not telling us the <real problem> |
| 15:14.51 | Zitter | CutMeOwnThroat, yes because I don't understand it very wall :( |
| 15:15.04 | Zitter | well, not wall of course :D |
| 15:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... why are you asking this... because of the scanner thing? |
| 15:15.15 | hramrach | I wrote a script to show you where disk drive is connected using /sys |
| 15:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... |
| 15:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, real problem |
| 15:15.33 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 15:15.36 | hramrach | maybe you could adapt for serial |
| 15:15.51 | Zitter | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm asking for usb devices. For example, scanner worked only after a reboot! |
| 15:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp. that factoid could do with a bit more friendlyness, but well |
| 15:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | friendliness* |
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| 15:16.58 | Zitter | is there a command to watch all devs attached? |
| 15:17.51 | Zitter | anyway log after attached USB for Arduino: http://paste.debian.net/220096/ |
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| 15:19.01 | Zitter | in any case: what I have to look to see how USB management works in Debian? |
| 15:19.34 | hramrach | Zitter: thre issome udev command for watching devices attach and also tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 15:20.29 | hramrach | hmm, udevadm I guess |
| 15:20.43 | hramrach | it does everything now with some option or other |
| 15:21.31 | Zitter | sorry if I seem a lamer but you've said that "Zitter: udev has something to do with any device" |
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| 15:22.01 | hramrach | if you lug in a PCI card or a SATA disk it should tell you too |
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| 15:30.46 | tdeuling | hi @ all |
| 15:30.53 | dvs | bah! |
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| 15:31.23 | tdeuling | anybody here, how has knowledge to repair a php5.4 on debain squeeze? |
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| 15:31.40 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 15:31.55 | sc_ | Hello good {sir,ma'am}! |
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| 15:32.40 | rindolf | Why the hell does the Debian installation in a VBox tells me that there are 6 minutes to go despite the fact I forbade it from contacing/using a remote repository? I want to install only the CD packages. |
| 15:33.13 | Towzzer | how did you tell it not to contact remote repositories |
| 15:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sc_, what about sexless creatures from beyond? :P |
| 15:33.21 | rindolf | sc_, I'm a guy. |
| 15:33.25 | rindolf | Towzzer, it asked me to. |
| 15:33.32 | rindolf | Towzzer, I'm using the graphical installer. |
| 15:33.39 | rindolf | Of the LXDE cd1.iso. |
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| 15:34.44 | PerfDave | 6 minutes to install from a CD might be reasonable, particularly if you're installing a lot of packages. |
| 15:35.16 | somiaj | rindolf: what installer are you using? (netinstall, cd1, businesscd)? |
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| 15:36.28 | rindolf | somiaj, OK, it finished, maybe it wasn't networked after all. |
| 15:36.30 | somiaj | rindolf: what tasks did you select at the end of the install, that could effect it to. |
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| 15:37.33 | somiaj | rindolf: tasksel is based on tasks (not what is on your cd) so if you have an internet connnenctions and select some tasks that have packages not on the cd it will fetch them from the net |
| 15:37.56 | somiaj | usually I skip tasksel and only install the packages I need from a minimial install after |
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| 15:40.10 | rindolf | somiaj, OK, already installed. |
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| 15:40.28 | rindolf | somiaj, I selected the Graphical desktop and the System utilities |
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| 15:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, err... if network is accessed depends on what's written in your sources.list. if tasks require packages not on cd1 and only cd sources are there, it'll ask you to switch to a different cd |
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| 15:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | rindolf, too ---^^^ |
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| 15:44.48 | rindolf | CutMeOwnThroat, it works fine. |
| 15:45.00 | rindolf | CutMeOwnThroat, I now have it installed. |
| 15:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I saw |
| 15:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | just saying, if you told it only to use CD, that'll change what is written in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:45.38 | dvs | rindolf: but you need to make sure that you can install over the Internet should you need packages that are not on the CD. |
| 15:45.41 | rindolf | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm now installing some stuff I like, and upgrading to Deb Testing. |
| 15:45.49 | rindolf | dvs, I did that. |
| 15:45.53 | dvs | ok |
| 15:45.54 | hramrach | Zitter: try this script http://paste.debian.net/220102/ |
| 15:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if that doesn't contain any debian repositories on the net, it will not access any |
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| 15:46.37 | hramrach | it returns some useful info for USB disks but not sure how it works out for USB serial |
| 15:46.58 | rindolf | Thanks all and sorry for the noise. |
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| 15:49.56 | Zitter | hramrach, it returns errors like usb.rb:76:in `read': No such file or directory - /sys/class/tty//device/id (Errno::ENOENT) |
| 15:50.04 | b2coutts | Hi, I'm trying to install NVIDIA drivers/openGL on debian 7.0 wheezy. when following the steps given my /msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy, OpenGL 1.4 seems to be installed. However, I need a more recent version (>2.0, ideally something much more recent). Does anyone know how I can do this? |
| 15:50.11 | hramrach | you need to supply the device name |
| 15:50.32 | hramrach | like usb.rb ttyUSB1 |
| 15:50.41 | Zitter | ops sorry :) |
| 15:51.23 | Zitter | anyway same error :) |
| 15:52.13 | b2coutts | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:52.30 | somiaj | b2coutts: can you paste the output of glxinfo at paste.debian.net? |
| 15:52.42 | hramrach | Zitter: maybe the USB ones are elsewhere |
| 15:52.52 | hramrach | I don't have any so can't tell |
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| 15:53.08 | hramrach | try find -name ttyUSB1 /sys |
| 15:53.27 | Zitter | ok, no prb. Anyway, can you suggest me something to read to understand how usb management works under debian? |
| 15:53.58 | somiaj | b2coutts: on my system I have glx version 1.4 but opengl version 2.1 |
| 15:54.07 | b2coutts | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/220111/ |
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| 15:54.21 | hramrach | Zitter: what you want to know about it ? |
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| 15:54.42 | Zitter | simply, how it works and how to solve a possible prb |
| 15:54.42 | somiaj | b2coutts: OpenGL version string: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 310.19 -- so yea you have a newer opengl version |
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| 15:55.52 | hramrach | Zitter: you plug in a device and kernel loads a driver for it. Solving problems depends on the actual problem |
| 15:55.53 | b2coutts | somiaj: hmm, that's weird |
| 15:56.01 | b2coutts | I'm trying to run steam, and an error I get is "PROBLEM: You appear to have OpenGL 1.4.0, but we need at least 2.0.0! |
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| 15:56.18 | b2coutts | I guess steam is wrongly getting the version of glxinfo or something? |
| 15:56.20 | Zitter | maybe I'm interested on how a name under /dev is assigned |
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| 15:56.47 | Zitter | is it a UDEV related management, right? |
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| 15:57.02 | Salvaro | servers irc.omega.bg chanel #debian |
| 15:57.03 | Salvaro | servers irc.omega.bg chanel #debian |
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| 15:57.08 | somiaj | b2coutts: or it is really talking about glx version. Is this the beta steam client. all I know about that it is made for ubuntu (not debian) so maybe it has to deal with their packages. |
| 15:57.14 | hramrach | yes, udev manages the devices once the driver loads |
| 15:57.24 | dvs | Zitter: the raw name is managed by the kernel itself but you can reassign those names through udev |
| 15:57.32 | wols_ | Salvaro: do not spam. and yes what you did is spamming. repeat it and I'm sure you will be gone forcefully |
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| 15:58.04 | Zitter | dvs, "raw name" is the name I read on /var/log/message when I attach an usb dev? |
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| 15:58.14 | Zitter | I mean: Bus/Device |
| 15:58.15 | dvs | Zitter: yes |
| 15:58.47 | Zitter | ok, is there a tutorial to understand how to reassign those names? |
| 15:59.24 | dvs | Zitter: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 15:59.34 | b2coutts | somiaj: Possibly, I know that most people have been able to get it working on debian after resolving dependencies and installing the package |
| 15:59.38 | somiaj | b2coutts: yea not sure why you are getting that error, glx version 1.4 is the most recent version, and you are running openGL version 4.3.0 so I don't know why it is giving you an error |
| 16:00.27 | b2coutts | Is it possible that ubuntu has different version numbers for glxinfo, and the latest glxinfo for ubuntu is higher than 2.0? |
| 16:00.50 | b2coutts | This is why I like having open source software, would be so much easier to just look at what it's doing when it gives this error |
| 16:00.57 | Zitter | dvs, thanks |
| 16:01.04 | dvs | no prob |
| 16:01.12 | somiaj | I don't know, I don't have a ubuntu machine to check. But from what I see on the internet 1.4 is the newest glx version. But this is not the same as the opengl version |
| 16:02.07 | somiaj | it could also be getting the version from somewhere else, but I'm not sure where. I haven't tried the steam client |
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| 16:03.04 | somiaj | b2coutts: where did you get that version of the nvidia binaries? That version is not in testing? |
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| 16:03.44 | b2coutts | somiaj: I was having a separate issue, which a lot of people had attributed to version 304.xx of nv drivers, so I downloaded 310 from the NV website |
| 16:04.00 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
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| 16:04.01 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.48-1; sid/non-free: 304.64-3; experimental/non-free: 310.19-0+exp1 |
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| 16:04.34 | somiaj | b2coutts: that is probabaly your issue, mixing the debian packages with the offical nvidia packages. Maybe there is some issue causing a in correct version detection |
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| 16:05.18 | somiaj | b2coutts: the nvidia bins do not play nicely with debian at times (and debian packages will overwrite files during upgrades without asking causing other issues) |
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| 16:05.51 | b2coutts | somiaj, judd: I'm not thoroughly familiar with debian's package management, but I can see experimental/non-free has 310 drivers, is it possible to install theese on wheezy? |
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| 16:07.22 | somiaj | b2coutts: you can try, but I would first remove the nvidia installer files and install the version 3.04 from testing |
| 16:07.32 | somiaj | b2coutts: and then test to see if you get that same error |
| 16:08.03 | somiaj | b2coutts: but really the steam client and the offical nvidia non-free binaries are not supported by #debian. I would get the offical packages first and see what errors you get |
| 16:08.25 | somiaj | b2coutts: but you didn't get the 'not a supported opengl' version when you were using the 3.04 version from wheezy? |
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| 16:08.55 | b2coutts | somiaj: It was a different error (can't remember exactly) |
| 16:09.07 | b2coutts | though maybe it would have given the same error, but this one happened first |
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| 16:16.21 | rindolf | hates the fact that apt-get dist-upgrade / apt-get install / etc. is interactive and not automatic like urpmi on Magiea/Mandriva. |
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| 16:17.20 | yeats | rindolf: 'apt-get -y' |
| 16:17.42 | rindolf | yeats, tried that - not a full panacea. |
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| 16:18.18 | yeats | rindolf: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:19.56 | yeats | realizes that "I wish $feature on Debian were more like it is on $myfavoritedistro" conversations are rarely productive |
| 16:20.46 | dutchfish | mumbles about the package unattended-upgrades |
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| 16:24.00 | rindolf | yeats, install it and finish without me having to attend to it and press "q" to dismiss less or whatever. |
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| 16:24.58 | systemclient | I'd like to put two lines that are in the `/etc/rc.local` into separate files so that I can install them via a .deb package. Where would I put a script with those lines? |
| 16:25.47 | rindolf | OK, now there's a more serious problem. |
| 16:26.29 | rindolf | I ran out of space on my /-partition (which has 2.5 GB of space) and dpkg --configure -a won't run, and apt-get autoremove tells me to run it. |
| 16:27.00 | systemclient | rindolf: maybe you can make some room in /var and /tmp? |
| 16:27.08 | PerfDave | systemclient: What do the lines do? |
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| 16:28.06 | systemclient | PerfDave: one calls setkeycodes, the other calls my script, `think-startup-hook` |
| 16:28.11 | rindolf | systemclient, /tmp is clean |
| 16:28.24 | systemclient | rindolf: you can delete downlaoded packages from /var |
| 16:28.40 | systemclient | rindolf: maybe you can remote a Kernel image from /boot |
| 16:29.01 | rindolf | OK, moved /var under /home |
| 16:29.59 | systemclient | PerfDave: those are the two lines: https://gist.github.com/ca702f2b4e7c1c72ce4b |
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| 16:30.48 | PerfDave | systemclient: If you want to create your own package, you probably want your own initscript in /etc/init.d? |
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| 16:31.12 | systemclient | PerfDave: I admit that I am not sure where to put this. I want those two lines to be executed on startup |
| 16:31.46 | dutchfish | systemclient, why not setup your own custom repository, instead of messing up your debian setup? |
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| 16:33.28 | systemclient | I am writing a collection of scripts for my ThinkPad. Part of it should be executed on startup to get the buttons work properly (`setkeycodes`). The current way is to write two lines into /etc/rc.local. I'd rather have a way to just drop a file somewhere, rather than using `sed` to insert those lines into `/etc/rc.local` |
| 16:35.40 | dutchfish | systemclient, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 16:35.56 | PerfDave | systemclient: Seems to me that you might want to put these in your X startup script or similar rather than /etc/rc.local ? |
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| 16:41.56 | systemclient | PerfDave: hmm, doesn't it make sense to set they keys for all users of the system? |
| 16:44.17 | PerfDave | systemclient: Is a laptop a multi-user system? :) |
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| 16:45.05 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to build a debian package of an upstream tarball |
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| 16:45.41 | dorphalsig | However part of the process includes to run ./configure on one of the subdirectories of the source |
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| 16:46.13 | systemclient | PerfDave: I cannot exclude that with certainty, so I'd say “it might be”. I think it would be hard to make a Debian package that installs for the current user only |
| 16:46.28 | dorphalsig | when I run ./configure from bash it runs fine, however when I run ./configure from withn rules it barks (http://paste.debian.net/220124/). Can anybody helo me out? |
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| 16:46.40 | systemclient | PerfDave: Anyway, I should put a script in /etc/init.d/ with the proper LSB fields? |
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| 16:47.24 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to build a debian package of an upstream tarball However part of the process includes to run ./configure on one of the subdirectories of the source when I run ./configure from bash it runs fine, however when I run ./configure from withn rules it barks (http://paste.debian.net/220124/). Can anybody helo me out? |
| 16:47.33 | fluffywolf | I just install wheezy on my netbook, but am having problems with wireless - it works for about 2MB, then stops. iwconfig shows it's still associated with the ap, ifconfig shows it still has its ip, route ok too... but I can't ping the ap. to get it working again, I need to up/down the interface, then it works for another 2MB. any ideas? |
| 16:47.43 | somiaj | dorphalsig: does that source happen to have a version in debian already? |
| 16:47.55 | PerfDave | systemclient: That would be my recommendation, compared to a script which modifies /etc/rc.local - but I'm sure there's a better or already extant way. |
| 16:48.10 | dorphalsig | somiaj: not that version |
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| 16:48.39 | somiaj | dorphalsig: but the package, have you tried /msg dpkg uupdate ? |
| 16:48.49 | dorphalsig | yes and it breaks |
| 16:48.52 | systemclient | PerfDave: what do you have in mind? |
| 16:49.04 | dorphalsig | exactly in the spot I'm telling you :) |
| 16:49.22 | fluffywolf | I'm trying to do an update and install some new software (such as icewm... god damn the latest gnome is a worthless piece of shit!), but having to up/down the interface every fifteen seconds makes this pretty much impossible. |
| 16:49.58 | mtn | thinks gnome hate is very funny |
| 16:50.14 | systemclient | mtn: Unity hate ftw :P |
| 16:50.25 | mtn | systemclient, now you are talking |
| 16:51.17 | somiaj | dorphalsig: you could try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:51.42 | somiaj | dorphalsig: I was just mentioned the uupdate because it sometimes works and doesn't require you make your own debian/ directory |
| 16:51.48 | fluffywolf | mtn: it's ugly, the icons are bloody huge, doing anything is difficult, and some brainless idiot designed all the diaglogs >netbook screen high, and unresizable, so you can't get to the bottom of any of them. this example alone is enough stupidity to declare something unreleasable if you ask me... no sane person would set a dialog >600px high and unresizable. |
| 16:52.19 | fluffywolf | I can't even change the accessablity settings because the bottom half of the dialog is off the screen, can't be resized, and can't be moved off the top of the screen. |
| 16:52.24 | mtn | fluffywolf, yep, very funny indeed. best desktop I have used in 19 years |
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| 16:53.42 | fluffywolf | mtn: have you tried it on a netbook, with a standard 1024x600 screen? |
| 16:53.53 | mtn | fluffywolf, it wasn't designed that way, you just have a problem of some sort. wrong type of graphics card, maybe? |
| 16:54.40 | mtn | fluffywolf, maybe try changing font size? who knows. it works for many of us. |
| 16:54.41 | fluffywolf | ... ok, if you think the graphics card causes the resize option to be greyed out when you try resizing a window, this is a pointless discussion. |
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| 16:54.53 | fluffywolf | tried that - doesn't make the diaglogs smaller or move the buttons up. |
| 16:55.02 | mtn | shrugs |
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| 16:55.41 | PerfDave | systemclient: I don't, but it might be worth asking in #debian-devel if you want to roll this stuff into a package for general consumption rather than something personal. |
| 16:55.47 | fluffywolf | I'm not here to complain about gnome - getting rid of it works for me. I just need to make the wireless work right to do that! |
| 16:56.11 | fluffywolf | although I do think such examples of horrible ui design will piss off first-time linux users. |
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| 16:56.38 | hramrach | fluffywolf: you can swithc to the console and diagnose the X issue that causes this |
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| 16:57.06 | hramrach | gnome 3 is designed to work with netbooks so when it does not there is something broken |
| 16:57.40 | fluffywolf | after about 2MB transferred (it's random, but generally in that range), it just stops working. everything I can find looks ok, but a ping to the ap stops pinging and starts reporting network unreachable, despite being associated, having the same ip and routes, and the ap working just fine (this laptop is on it with no problems)... |
| 16:57.52 | hramrach | non-resiable dialogs are stupid nontheless and sometimes don't fit on the screen when X works as expected |
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| 16:58.44 | hramrach | fluffywolf: does bringing the wifi down and back up help? |
| 16:59.00 | fluffywolf | yep. but doing that every 15 seconds is a non-option. :) |
| 16:59.23 | hramrach | indeed |
| 16:59.38 | fluffywolf | it works again if I down/up the interface, or use the toggle-wifi-power hotkey. |
| 16:59.43 | hramrach | for me it breaks every few minutes and makes the notebook unusable anyway |
| 16:59.58 | haylo | fluffywolf: i reccomend using wicd no matter what and letting it take over whatever the DE previously had in place |
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| 17:00.35 | fluffywolf | haylo: no idea what wicd is, and as far as I can tell the default install doesn't bother installing any form of network manager, not even gnome's. |
| 17:00.39 | hramrach | wicd does not help when the driver is just broken |
| 17:00.48 | haylo | nm-applet is still a disaster. and probably always will be. Also wicd-curses is easy to use as well |
| 17:00.50 | fluffywolf | it's using whatever d-i set up, which seems to be wpa_supplicant and dhclient. |
| 17:01.12 | hramrach | that's what wicd would use anyway |
| 17:01.33 | hramrach | try a different kernel version |
| 17:01.42 | haylo | fluffywolf: can you see the card inside of the output of "lspci" ? |
| 17:01.59 | haylo | yeah,do what hramrach said ^ |
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| 17:02.03 | hramrach | ther is backports kernel, testing kernel, two trunk kernels |
| 17:02.07 | fluffywolf | gnome-network-manager isn't installed (I think that was the package name, hard to check at the moment), and the network option under settings complains that the network services version is incompatible (from a fresh install, nothing updated yet... broken out of the box, but that's testing for you...) and gives a blank window. |
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| 17:02.57 | systemclient | PerfDave: Last question: Is /etc/init.d still current or will it be replaced by upstart soon? |
| 17:03.19 | hramrach | fluffywolf: also look through the wpa_supplicant logs for any reported issues |
| 17:06.14 | fluffywolf | haylo: with -nn -k, it's a (summarizing due to lack of paste) Atheros AR9285, 168c:002b rev 01, AzureWave AW-NE785(H?) bgn 1a3b:1089, using the ath9k module. |
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| 17:07.37 | hramrach | I have something similar and also get disconnects. Used to work with older kernel |
| 17:07.39 | haylo | fluffywolf: so it is detected by the command "lspci" ? |
| 17:08.03 | fluffywolf | I don't see any wpa_supplicant-specific logs, just what it puts in syslog, none of which looks suspicious or appears when it dies. |
| 17:08.14 | fluffywolf | haylo: ... |
| 17:08.39 | hramrach | just try different kernels |
| 17:08.41 | haylo | that would determine if you need a new kernel. its kind of important |
| 17:09.02 | hramrach | it's detected as ath9k |
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| 17:09.16 | hramrach | it's not that it is not supported, it's just broken |
| 17:09.25 | haylo | hmm, probably just not well suported by that driver version then |
| 17:09.52 | fluffywolf | haylo: If it weren't detected at all, it wouldn't be working at all, not working for 2MB then failing. also, I just told you what the lspci output for the card is, so obviously it's in there. :) |
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| 17:10.35 | hramrach | fluffywolf: try the squeeze kernel, the squeeze-backports on if different from wheezy, the 3.6-trunk and 3.7-trunk. Some may work better |
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| 17:11.13 | hramrach | also make sure you have firmware installed for the card if any is used |
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| 17:11.35 | fluffywolf | would the card work at all with no firmware? |
| 17:12.03 | hramrach | some do work fine, some poorly, some not at all |
| 17:12.15 | hramrach | depends on the relience of the driver on the firmware |
| 17:12.28 | PerfDave | systemclient: Doesn't upstart still read scripts out of /etc/init.d/ to work out dependencies? |
| 17:12.45 | systemclient | I have no idea |
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| 17:13.16 | hramrach | PerfDave: it has its own scripts and some compat layer for init.d scripts. Quite a mess |
| 17:13.40 | acu | I am trying to make two bridges br0 (using eth1) for WAN and br1 (using eth0) for LAN - and I cannot bring them both up - can anyone tell me - or direct me to a proper configuration - strangely enough - if I have br0 (eth1) for WAN and etho for LAN (with dhcp) everything works - if I try to add the eth0(br1) I cannot bring br0 up anymore got this RTNETLINK answers: File exists failed to bring up br0 |
| 17:13.48 | hramrach | or was it systemd? |
| 17:14.00 | medes | I had a Seagate external HD and the FS was NTFS. it was autoread, automounted as /media/Seagate-blabla by default. I have reformatted it using gparted as fat32 because I need to use it with xbox 360. Now it doesnt automount. Why do I need to use /etc/fstab if it automounted perfectly before? Why do I have to manually add it now? is it because im using fat32 instead of ntfs and that's just how it is? I have added an entry: http://dpaste.com/hold/ |
| 17:14.32 | fluffywolf | bleh, google is finding forum postings saying this card has had this issue for years and no one is fixing it. |
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| 17:15.17 | po_taka | hello, I just updated my debian wheezy. Im using xserver-xorg-video-ati. But now there is no "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile" and I can't reduce gpu fan speed. Help :) |
| 17:15.18 | hramrach | acu: you robably want only 1 bridge |
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| 17:16.04 | systemclient | hramrach: I think upstart has more backwards compatability. systemd is supposed to be all cool (said some Arch Linux guy) |
| 17:16.22 | acu | hramrach: actually I want two bridges - that is the question - one works, do not know how to do - |
| 17:16.47 | hramrach | acu: and what do you want to bridge where? |
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| 17:17.41 | acu | hramrach: virtual machines - some I want them to go to internet through br0(eth1) some to go to internet through br1 (eth0) |
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| 17:17.59 | hramrach | hmm |
| 17:18.13 | hramrach | I don't think I used more than one bridge |
| 17:18.28 | acu | sorry - the vm to LAN through br1 (eth0) |
| 17:19.10 | acu | I know it works, I did it before, cannot find where I put the documentation - thought someone can give me a hint |
| 17:20.04 | hramrach | acu: does defening the bridges in /etc/network/interfaces work? |
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| 17:20.35 | acu | as I said, br0 works if only it is enabled |
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| 17:21.06 | hramrach | acu: and you put the bridges together manually or put them in interfaces? |
| 17:21.36 | hramrach | try to put all the ports down or up before you bridge them |
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| 17:26.55 | fluffywolf | grrrr! now this is pissing me off! I can't make network work with a cable either - "atl1c vpd r/w failed. this is likely a firmware bug on this device." |
| 17:27.27 | hramrach | some awesome netbook |
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| 17:28.34 | fluffywolf | at least I can connect to the ap with usb - that seems to work, at least I can ping it... |
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| 17:30.32 | fluffywolf | downloading packages quite happily with the usb connection... bleh. at least now I can download things to try making wifi work. |
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| 17:38.03 | haylo | hands fluffywolf a hammer |
| 17:38.33 | takeyourhatoff | I have a daemon that I am starting via init.d, it reports it starts fine but just crashes on startup, when i changed the user it runs as to root, it works fine, obiously this is not ideal, no error messages are given, how can i find the problem? daemon is mpdscribbler |
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| 17:41.42 | Walex2 | takeyourhatoff: debug and fix the dæmon source |
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| 17:42.36 | Aleksander | Hello. I've installed xfce on my Debian Sid, and I can't get rid of a "beep" sound when I try to do something "illegal" such as deleting in a empty text field. I turned off all beeping sounds in terminal, but they still exist in the system. How can I undo it? |
| 17:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | init scripts are meant to be started only by root... they usually drop privileges |
| 17:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | takeyourhatoff, ^^^ |
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| 17:43.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:43.42 | hramrach | Aleksander: look at xfce control panel or xset |
| 17:44.02 | DexterF | serving 3 dirs on NFSv4, want to temporarily disable access to one, not the others, tho. how? |
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| 17:44.28 | Walex2 | DexterF: just take it off '/etc/exports' and then 'exportfs -r' |
| 17:44.50 | Aleksander | hramrach, I can't see any "sound" tab in the panel |
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| 17:44.55 | takeyourhatoff | Walex2: i am pretty sure it will be trying to access a file it does not have permission for |
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| 17:45.08 | hramrach | Aleksander: it may not be under sound |
| 17:45.27 | Aleksander | hramrach, I got it by xset, thanks |
| 17:45.29 | hramrach | try keyboard and other random tabs |
| 17:45.34 | DexterF | Walex2: ty |
| 17:45.42 | Walex2 | DexterF: if it is just for a bit 'exportfs -u'. |
| 17:45.46 | hramrach | note that xset only works until yo urestart your session |
| 17:45.53 | daimrod | Aleksander: you can blacklist the pcspkr module. $ sudo echo "blacklist pcspkr" > /etc/modprobe.d/pcspkr.conf |
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| 17:46.07 | Aleksander | daimrod, already done, it doesn't help |
| 17:46.10 | Aleksander | xset does |
| 17:46.12 | hramrach | if yo ufind the setting in the control panel the destop should save it somewhere and apply each time you log in |
| 17:46.16 | daimrod | weird. |
| 17:46.29 | DexterF | Walex2: ah, that's the temp solution I was after, thanks |
| 17:46.51 | daimrod | Aleksander: did you reboot or manually blacklist it? (modprobe -r pcspkr) |
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| 17:47.00 | hramrach | DexterF: also look for sysbeep or similar in alsamixer |
| 17:47.08 | fluffywolf | grrr... this is seriously failing the "just works" test. |
| 17:47.08 | Aleksander | daimrod, both, it helps with the terminal, not in the xfce |
| 17:47.22 | Aleksander | hramrach, done that, didn't help |
| 17:47.29 | Aleksander | but I'm okay with xset, thank you :) |
| 17:47.35 | DexterF | hramrach: guess that wasnt for me |
| 17:47.47 | hramrach | yeah |
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| 17:56.29 | fluffywolf | so far I've found about 20 forums threads of people with the same problem, and a distinct lack of any fixes. |
| 17:58.14 | wols_ | fluffywolf: what card is it? |
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| 18:03.38 | fluffywolf | wols_: Atheros AR9285, 168c:002b rev 01, AzureWave AW-NE785(H?) bgn 1a3b:1089, using the ath9k module. |
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| 18:07.15 | fluffywolf | heh, I've made it work, sorta... (simplfying) while true ; ifconfig down ; up ; default gw ; sleep 5 ; done. :) |
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| 18:10.31 | systemclient | rc.local is executed before any user is logged in, right? |
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| 18:12.48 | matrix | ciao |
| 18:12.50 | matrix | !list |
| 18:12.51 | dpkg | matrix: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 18:15.21 | txomon | Don't tell me nut, but, is it posible to do a dist-upgrade from ubuntu to debian? |
| 18:15.30 | wols_ | no |
| 18:16.04 | txomon | well, posible it is, but I mean, is there any easy way to get the same config in debian? |
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| 18:16.22 | txomon | said two totally different things |
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| 18:17.16 | wols_ | if you try, there is so much breakage which means it's easier to simply delete ubuntu and install debian |
| 18:17.33 | boudiccas | txomon: well you can try, and we'll laugh when you trash your system |
| 18:17.41 | txomon | boudiccas, sre |
| 18:17.43 | txomon | sure* |
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| 18:18.45 | Arrowmaster | txomon: you can keep both pieces when it breaks |
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| 18:19.24 | fluffywolf | on a completely unrelated topic, yay, the county has screwed up yet again. a few years ago, they inspected one of the local bridges, and determined a repaint would cost $1m, which they decided was too much, so they ignored it. now, they inspect it again, and determine that due to extensive corrosion caused by not repainting it, it needs to be replaced, for $4m. my tax dollars at work. |
| 18:19.25 | txomon | and what about installing apackage from experimental into ubuntu? |
| 18:19.49 | boudiccas | txomon: same applies |
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| 18:20.12 | txomon | boudiccas, probability is much less |
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| 18:20.26 | txomon | I just want to have apache 2.4 running... |
| 18:20.27 | txomon | :( |
| 18:20.30 | boudiccas | txomon: basically they are two seperate systems with differing concepts of usage, and they are not compatible |
| 18:20.55 | hanasaki | aptitude dist-upgrade says .... 5 not upgraded... how do you determine which are not upgraded and why |
| 18:20.56 | hanasaki | ? |
| 18:21.02 | wols_ | txomon: then backport |
| 18:21.14 | boudiccas | hanasaki: it will tell you what is not upgraded |
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| 18:21.44 | wols_ | ,depends apache2 experimental |
| 18:21.45 | judd | Package apache2 in experimental/i386 -- depends: lsb-base, procps, perl, mime-support, apache2-bin (= 2.4.2-2), apache2-data (= 2.4.2-2). |
| 18:21.55 | wols_ | ,depends apache2-bin experimental |
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| 18:21.57 | judd | Package apache2-bin in experimental/i386 -- depends: libapr1 (>= 1.4.2), libaprutil1 (>= 1.4.0), libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 | libaprutil1-dbd-mysql | libaprutil1-dbd-odbc | libaprutil1-dbd-pgsql | libaprutil1-dbd-freetds, libaprutil1-ldap, libc6 (>= 2.4), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), liblua5.1-0, libpcre3 (>= 8.10), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), perl. |
| 18:22.20 | hanasaki | boudiccas: it? all it says is "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded." |
| 18:22.38 | boudiccas | hanasaki: then try apt-get |
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| 18:23.42 | nvz_ | I have two debian squeeze boxes here and on mine sawfish-ui works fine, shows nothing when run from terminal.. on the other one it does this http://paste.debian.net/220143/ |
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| 18:24.12 | hanasaki | boudiccas: apt-get listed which packages.. thanks.. but not "why" nor how to update them |
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| 18:24.41 | sney | aptitude usually offers more information and the 'why' you're looking for, along with options if it's because of dependency issues |
| 18:24.43 | boudiccas | hanasaki: if they've been held back then you just have to wait until they're released |
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| 18:25.16 | nvz | that error messsage is related to librep calling a deprecated gtk function, however there is no f'n way this can be happening when I have the same versions of the packages installed on both machines and the other doesnt generate that error |
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| 18:26.09 | hanasaki | sney: its funny that apt-get upgrade showed the packages yet aptitude only shows the package count.. neither shows the why |
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| 18:26.52 | sney | hanasaki, maybe it's assuming you already know. are you pinning anything? |
| 18:27.08 | hanasaki | sney: nope.. no pinning in any config files |
| 18:27.20 | hanasaki | bad assumption.. I know zippo lol |
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| 18:27.33 | sney | 'apt-cache policy' will tell you for sure if you're pinning anything |
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| 18:29.33 | hanasaki | back - sorry did I miss any msg from you folks? |
| 18:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <sney> 'apt-cache policy' will tell you for sure if you're pinning anything |
| 18:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | no :) |
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| 18:31.17 | fluffywolf | bleh, time for me to get to work, will need to give up on fixing wireless for now. |
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| 18:31.32 | hanasaki | CutMeOwnThroat: confirmed.. no pinning |
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| 18:42.18 | nvz | ugh.. this is just nerve wracking.. all the packages are exactly the same on both machines, works on one and not the other |
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| 18:44.19 | nvz | without sawfish-ui you may as well be using openbox or something |
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| 18:46.52 | nvz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613396 its on the bts but likely ignored cause its a random issue.. happens on some installs and not others |
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| 18:47.13 | nvz | I tried removing and reinstalling, making a new user.. nothing |
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| 18:49.05 | nvz | only difference between these two machines is video drivers.. |
| 18:49.48 | nvz | this error indicates an incompatibility between rep-gtk and gtk.. which isnt possible cause I have THE EXACT SAME VERSION of all packages on this machine and it works fine and never throws the error |
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| 18:50.29 | nvz | how the *%*! it knows that function doesnt exist anymore when clearly it does in the version of gtk on the system, is beyond me |
| 18:51.29 | sney | nvz, does the error persist with a new user profile? |
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| 18:52.07 | nvz | sney: yes I created a brand new user, used vnc where sawfish is the only thing running, tried it with gnome on a normal login.. nothing seems to change the result.. error, crash.. |
| 18:52.22 | nvz | sney: yet on my machine I run sawfish-ui from terminal, it appears without errors |
| 18:52.27 | sney | aptitude reinstall sawfish? |
| 18:52.34 | nvz | did that already |
| 18:52.45 | nvz | reinstalled librep9, sawfish..etc |
| 18:53.01 | sney | is anything else crashing? |
| 18:53.12 | nvz | makes no f'n sense at all.. wolfe is a new install.. my install if anything should be the one f'd up |
| 18:53.16 | tdn | How can I take a complete disk image of a machine that is already booted? I have physical access but no additional bootable media. Can I remount / read only and then dd if=/dev/sda | ssh somehost "> image.bin" ? That should work, right? |
| 18:53.56 | nvz | sney: nope, the machine is fine otherwise.. |
| 18:53.57 | Walex2 | tdn: not so easy. |
| 18:54.27 | sney | nvz, weird. |
| 18:54.29 | tdn | Walex2, why would the above not work? |
| 18:54.38 | Walex2 | tdn: if the '/' filetree is not that active you have no need to remount RO. |
| 18:54.57 | nvz | sney: yeah its annoying.. ran into this issue many times over the years.. it makes no sense at all |
| 18:55.15 | dokma | can I tell lvm to create a partition at the end of free space? |
| 18:55.17 | nvz | there is just no way the error it reports can be happening |
| 18:55.20 | Walex2 | tdn: because remounting '/' RO is usually going to be impossible, because some dæmon will be running with some file open on '/' |
| 18:55.28 | tdn | Walex2, / is not very active. I can boot up in single user mode. |
| 18:55.38 | dokma | I've got one 150GB volume and 100GB of free space |
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| 18:55.57 | Walex2 | tdn: then you don't need to bother remounting RO, even if in single user mode it is possible. |
| 18:55.58 | tdn | Walex2, what if I boot up in recovery mode? Then there should not be anything else running, right? Or I can change runlevel by running setinit, right? |
| 18:56.00 | dokma | I'd like to create a volume for /tmp but put it at the end of free space so I can enlarge the root filesystem if needed.... |
| 18:56.14 | nvz | googling is just gonna tell you that you need to upgrade sawfish.. which isnt true cause I got the same f'n version on this machine and it works |
| 18:56.32 | Walex2 | tdn: changing runlevel _down_ to single user mode does not work in many distributions |
| 18:56.43 | tdn | Walex2, does it work in debian? |
| 18:56.57 | Walex2 | tdn: IIRC it doesn't. |
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| 18:58.07 | Walex2 | tdn: it would also probably help a lot if you compressed the data being sent over SSH, either with 'ssh -C' or better disabling SSH compression and using 'pbzip2' or similar. Or 'lzop'. |
| 18:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | runlevels are a bit different in debian |
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| 18:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, runlevel |
| 18:58.23 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
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| 19:06.58 | cnz | running mkfs formats the partition is that correct? |
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| 19:09.05 | tdn | Walex2, dunno those two. Better than gzip? |
| 19:09.07 | hjb | howdy. after upgrade awsome (while installed) isn't availabe in gdm3 |
| 19:09.13 | hjb | what can be wrong here? |
| 19:09.52 | hjb | i've got a good looking awesome.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions, but gdm3 seems to ignore it |
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| 19:10.08 | Walex2 | tdn: 'pbzip2' is multicore 'bzip2' and 'lzop' compresses a lot less but is miuch much much faster. 'bzip2' compresses slower than disk or network trasnfer rate in most cases. |
| 19:11.20 | tdn | Walex2, disk is only 8 GB and can only deliver about 20-30 mb/s. Network speed is 1gbps. So compression will probably not be needed. |
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| 19:13.06 | jhutchins_wk | cnz: Yes. |
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| 19:14.35 | jhutchins_wk | hjb: Only suggestion I would have would be reinstall awesome. |
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| 19:15.28 | ttyS11 | Hello, I tried enabling the youtube plugin in Totem I'm able to search for videos but when i click on one I get the error. "GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error." |
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| 19:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | ttyS11: That would suggest that you do not have the correct codec/library/plugin for gstreamer, presumably to handle flash (or html5). |
| 19:17.15 | hjb | jhutchins_wk: found the culprit: the packaged awesome.xsession has a "NoDisplay=true" option set |
| 19:17.30 | hjb | which does excactly what the name suggests :-@ |
| 19:17.36 | hjb | why the hell... i dunno |
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| 19:18.25 | edju | Is it possible to install Debian _from_ an external hd? All I can find from Google is how to install _on_ an external, which is not a problem. |
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| 19:19.48 | jhutchins_wk | hjb: Good work. Sometimes you gotta wonder. |
| 19:19.56 | wols_ | edju: yes. a external hdd and a usb stick are the same |
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| 19:20.01 | Guest87084 | W: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 19:20.46 | jhutchins_wk | edju: It would be the same as installing from an internal HD, or possibly from a network share. Did you want to boot to the external drive as an installer, or just use a repository on the drive? |
| 19:22.10 | hjb | jhutchins_wk: yeah completely true... thanks for your support ;-) |
| 19:22.12 | hjb | bye |
| 19:22.25 | edju | jhutchins_wk, The former - I'll boot from the external. Optical drive died, and the BIOS won't boot from a stick. |
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| 19:23.10 | PerfDave | edju: So you want to write the Debian installer to an external HDD like a USB stick? |
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| 19:23.37 | edju | PerfDave, Yep. |
| 19:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | edju: I would suspect that it won't boot to an external hd either, but it's worth a try. |
| 19:23.55 | wols_ | edju: if the BIOS won't boot from stick it won' |
| 19:23.56 | jhutchins_wk | edju: You might see if there's a way to do a bios update. |
| 19:24.00 | wols_ | won't boot from hdd either |
| 19:24.34 | jhutchins_wk | wols_: I have seen bios menus that listed various usb devices often not including a 'stick' - floppy, cd, hd... |
| 19:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | wols_: Some times you could fool 'em, sometimes you couldn't. |
| 19:25.37 | wols_ | how is a usb stick different from a usb hdd? |
| 19:25.46 | jhutchins_wk | We used to have three different DVD drives, each of which would boot on some systems but not on others. |
| 19:26.19 | jhutchins_wk | wols_: They should all come up as "scsi storage device", but there are differences. |
| 19:26.24 | edju | Well, the BIOS lists the external, but not a stick. I'll repartition and install on the external, and I'll see. |
| 19:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | Newer bios are better about treating them uniformly. |
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| 19:30.00 | cnz | how do you unmount a device if it says it's busy when it's not |
| 19:30.45 | wols_ | you check which file is open on it. lsof or fuser |
| 19:31.30 | cnz | I have a feeling Initializing device with zeroes: 0% i going to take a long time on a 2tb drive? |
| 19:31.50 | wols_ | cnz: 2-3 hours depending. yes |
| 19:32.06 | Arrowmaster | much longer than that |
| 19:32.15 | Arrowmaster | think days probably |
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| 19:32.28 | cnz | why so damn long? |
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| 19:32.30 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: BS |
| 19:32.34 | cnz | just to partition a damn drive? |
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| 19:33.08 | wols_ | cnz: no. a drive writes roughly at 100 Mbyte/s. and it has 2000000 Mbytes space |
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| 19:33.25 | Arrowmaster | wols_: i left the installer zeroing the 640GB drive in my laptop for 12 hours or so and it was only about 1/3rd the way done before i figured out i could skip it |
| 19:33.49 | cnz | Arrowmaster, how do I skip it |
| 19:33.53 | cnz | I don't want to write zeros |
| 19:33.53 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: ever seen 2TB laptop drives? desktop ones are faster |
| 19:34.03 | cnz | just change the partition type from ext4 to ntfs |
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| 19:35.00 | Arrowmaster | wols_: i consider the odds of a 2TB desktop drive being a 'green' drive about 50/50 |
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| 19:35.22 | cnz | it's not a green drive |
| 19:35.23 | Arrowmaster | so 50/50 chance of it being terrible |
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| 19:35.50 | arbir | Hello. |
| 19:36.41 | arbir | what is the version of kde in sid ? i am unable to find this information |
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| 19:37.06 | wols_ | arbir: packages.debian.org knows |
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| 19:37.24 | arbir | wols_: wow! thanks :-) |
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| 19:38.03 | PerfDave | I suspect if you don't know how to find that information, you probably don't want to be running sid ;) |
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| 19:38.27 | Guest87084 | i am tyring to upgrade to testing the deb-multimedia have a warning: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch on apt-get update would that interfere with the upgrade? |
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| 19:38.52 | hramrach | yes |
| 19:38.57 | hramrach | you have a broken mirror |
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| 19:39.32 | Guest87084 | hramrach, I tried the main deb-mulitmedia.org, and then I tried this .se mirror |
| 19:40.07 | hramrach | if it's only sources maybe it will work anyway |
| 19:40.08 | arbir | PerfDave: :-) trust me, sometimes, information is hard to come by. |
| 19:40.36 | Guest87084 | I didn't notice that. |
| 19:40.43 | Guest87084 | I will try to remove the source line |
| 19:40.50 | arbir | PerfDave: i have been running arch for a while….. but also looking into a rolling release model for debian, and i bumped into sid |
| 19:41.20 | Guest87084 | no ... |
| 19:41.33 | Guest87084 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 19:41.48 | Guest87084 | got that now after removing the deb-src line |
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| 19:42.28 | Guest87084 | I think somethig is wrong with the main server, and the mirrors reflect that |
| 19:44.07 | PerfDave | arbir: Well, when it breaks you get to keep both pieces ;) |
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| 19:44.22 | arbir | PerfDave: :-) hahhaha |
| 19:44.30 | cnz | wols_ isn't there a faster way to format a partition in linux other than mkfs |
| 19:44.47 | wols_ | cnz: faster how? it takes about 10 seconds and is done |
| 19:45.05 | cnz | uumm 10secs? |
| 19:45.12 | arbir | PerfDave: seems even sid had kde 4.8.4 . which repo will have kde 4.9.3 ? |
| 19:45.22 | cnz | htpc@HTPC:~$ sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda1 |
| 19:45.22 | cnz | Cluster size has been automatically set to 4096 bytes. |
| 19:45.22 | cnz | Initializing device with zeroes: 0% |
| 19:45.24 | jackbrownhf | could anyone explain me why this keyboard shortcut doesn't work ? http://i.imgur.com/cpg0Z.jpg |
| 19:45.37 | cnz | that's not taking 10secs wols_ |
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| 19:46.47 | PerfDave | arbir: Sid will when it's packaged for sid |
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| 19:46.57 | zykotick9 | arbir: you might want to see "/msg dpkg sns", you might be a sufferer ;) |
| 19:47.08 | wols_ | cnz: yes, but no one said you had to zero it |
| 19:47.16 | cnz | that's what im asking |
| 19:47.24 | cnz | how do you just format with mkfs without zeroing it out |
| 19:47.44 | arbir | zykotick9: i just stepped into the debian world… i dont even have a working machine yet. just investigating before i install stuff :-) |
| 19:47.56 | cnz | and would it be bad if I stopped it in the middle of zeroing it out |
| 19:48.14 | wols_ | it's not bad if you stop it |
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| 19:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | cnz: You might want to have a quick look at man mkfs.ntfs |
| 19:52.21 | cnz | jhutchins_wk yeah I got it |
| 19:52.23 | cnz | -f flag |
| 19:52.30 | jhutchins_wk | cnz: Excellent. |
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| 19:53.19 | wols_ | why would anyone make a ntfs partition under linux? |
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| 19:57.43 | Devastator | wols_ to share between linux and windows?! |
| 19:58.00 | wols_ | that doesn't explain why one creates the filesystem on linux |
| 19:58.26 | wols_ | I rather create my ext4 on linux and ntfs on windows. that way I know the programmsrs of mkfs know what they are doing |
| 19:58.55 | Devastator | ah, i see what you mean |
| 19:58.57 | Devastator | correct |
| 19:59.04 | Devastator | i would do the same thing |
| 19:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | Creating the ntfs on linux ensures that it is fully linux compatible. There are slight risks in using ntfs partitions created by various versions of windows. |
| 20:00.06 | Devastator | I never had problems but.. I can't argue about that.. |
| 20:00.21 | ksuhku | There are slight risks in using various versions of windows. |
| 20:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | Devastator: Yeah, I've used the ntfs drivers since the first ones came out and never had problems. The reason they made such a big fuss about it is that the first symptom can be complete loss of the partition data. |
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| 20:01.21 | alternut | i got a headless server, and I've lost contact I need some help |
| 20:01.28 | alternut | yes its got debian, with ssh |
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| 20:01.58 | alternut | its on my local network, no way to connect a monitor |
| 20:02.08 | pippobibo | list |
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| 20:02.35 | wols_ | alternut: and what are we supposed to do there? |
| 20:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: What do you think we might be able to do to help? |
| 20:02.49 | alternut | idk, ideas? |
| 20:03.02 | alternut | I'm by far not an expert in linux |
| 20:03.05 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: Not enough information. |
| 20:03.06 | wols_ | alternut: yes. press the power button |
| 20:03.10 | alternut | just did that |
| 20:03.16 | wols_ | does it run? |
| 20:03.16 | Devastator | perhaps he thinks we are psychics |
| 20:03.27 | alternut | well idk what you guys need to know |
| 20:03.40 | alternut | I tried pinging it and kept getting not reachable errors from my localhost |
| 20:03.47 | wols_ | alternut: we need you to think before you type and ask |
| 20:03.50 | alternut | never had that happen before |
| 20:04.04 | wols_ | you ping localhost and it is not reachable? and that's your diagnosis approach? |
| 20:04.13 | alternut | ... |
| 20:04.15 | alternut | i pinged the server |
| 20:04.26 | alternut | and received a response from my localhost for some reason |
| 20:04.39 | wols_ | then fix your network |
| 20:04.52 | alternut | it was running fine last night, idk what could have changed |
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| 20:05.19 | wols_ | alternut: and you ask us what has changed? |
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| 20:05.42 | alternut | i reset the router |
| 20:05.46 | dami | hey |
| 20:05.47 | Devastator | plug a monitor and see what's the output.. |
| 20:05.54 | alternut | I really dont know what more I can do |
| 20:06.08 | alternut | i have no monitor... |
| 20:06.19 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: Is networking fully functional on the system you're on? |
| 20:06.26 | alternut | yeah |
| 20:06.38 | alternut | both ethernet and wifi |
| 20:06.41 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: Do you have static internal addresses, or are you getting DHCP from something like your router? |
| 20:06.44 | alternut | server is on eithernet |
| 20:06.50 | alternut | server is static |
| 20:07.10 | alternut | current computer (laptop) is dhcp |
| 20:07.10 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: From what? |
| 20:07.13 | alternut | the router |
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| 20:07.23 | dami | i have a little problem while installing debain, with xorg can anyone help ? |
| 20:07.37 | wols_ | dami: state your real problem |
| 20:07.43 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: See if the router has a list of addresses handed out, see if it lists the server. See if maybe something got the same address as the server. |
| 20:08.09 | Guest87084 | is the dude that make deb-multimedia.org here? |
| 20:08.14 | wols_ | run arp |
| 20:08.18 | alternut | I dont see it listed under dhcp, but I cant find a list of static addresses, its the new um, cisco/linksys router, I dont have permission to modify |
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| 20:09.40 | dami | ok have installed debian from the fist cd (dhcp doesnt work) so i booted just right and configued ethernet , then i tried it install xorg but i get an error ... in my language "packet hängt ab von xserver-xorg.... and some more messages" |
| 20:09.41 | alternut | router status says the server is connected ok |
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| 20:10.15 | wols_ | dami: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:10.21 | Devastator | alternut who setup your network? |
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| 20:10.27 | wols_ | dami: and how did you install xorg, what command line? |
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| 20:10.44 | alternut | partly me partly famly |
| 20:10.46 | alternut | family |
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| 20:11.24 | alternut | so pinging the server from the router doesnt even work |
| 20:11.34 | MO_Handes | I used to use the command `dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync` for making a debian bootable flash. but the same command does not work for making a Knoppix bootable flash. how can I do it then? |
| 20:11.40 | alternut | it doesnt show up in dhcp, so where did it go? |
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| 20:12.07 | wols_ | !tell MO_Handes about knoppix |
| 20:12.10 | dami | deb cdrom ... ; deb http://securiry.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main; deb-src http://sevurity.debian.org( squeeze/updates main |
| 20:12.12 | Devastator | alternut without a monitor it's impossible to see which ip it has, if you reset the router and it's now in another subnet, you won't be able to reach it |
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| 20:12.31 | Devastator | alternut go get a monitor with a neighbor or something |
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| 20:12.57 | alternut | middle of buttfuck nowhere, so thats the problem |
| 20:13.08 | alternut | guess I'll haev to wait till I'm back to civilization |
| 20:13.11 | wols_ | Devastator: there are ways. remove hdd from headless server. connect it to other PC: check logs |
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| 20:14.37 | Devastator | wols_ yeah |
| 20:15.03 | Devastator | wols_ he clearly knows what to do :P |
| 20:15.37 | dami | @wols_ deb cdrom ... ; deb http://securiry.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main; deb-src http://sevurity.debian.org( squeeze/updates main |
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| 20:16.06 | ompaul | dami: is that supposed to be security |
| 20:16.14 | wols_ | dami: and I asked what commandline you used to install xorg |
| 20:16.20 | wols_ | !tell dami about bat |
| 20:16.44 | dami | i used apt-get install xorg as root |
| 20:16.45 | dami | sry |
| 20:17.10 | dami | ... it is as it was installed from cd ^^ i didn't change anything |
| 20:17.11 | wols_ | dami: and the output? |
| 20:17.39 | dami | i'll poste it .. |
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| 20:17.52 | dami | its a little bit long |
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| 20:18.05 | wols_ | use a pastebin |
| 20:18.10 | wols_ | !pastebinit |
| 20:18.10 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 20:21.36 | itry | Hello! On my Debian 6 machine, when I watch flash videos in firefox or chrome, at first everything is ok, but after 10 minutes the video always starts to stutter. Any ideas why and how to fix this? |
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| 20:24.09 | wols_ | dami: output of LANG=C apt-get install xorg |
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| 20:26.42 | systemclient | How can I bind user commands to keys system wide? I want that pressing button XF86RotateWindows will call `think-rotate` in the context of the currently logged in user |
| 20:27.16 | teclo- | hi, got a problem, when I use aplay, it plays "garbage" instead of sound |
| 20:27.16 | dami | @wols http://paste.debian.net/220163/ |
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| 20:28.15 | wols_ | dami: apt-cache policy xorg; apt-cache policy xinit |
| 20:29.02 | wols_ | dami: you probably used netinst or such? if so: add a normal debian repo to your sources.list: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 20:30.06 | wols_ | dami: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 20:31.00 | dami | ok |
| 20:31.04 | dami | i can try |
| 20:31.23 | dami | @cache http://paste.debian.net/220164/ |
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| 20:33.40 | dami | thank you .. |
| 20:33.42 | dami | it works |
| 20:33.44 | dami | :) |
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| 20:34.29 | dami | bye :) |
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| 20:42.57 | tjiggi_fo | why do I have two kernel choices in GRUB, one for i486 and t'other for i686. I've used both and don't have any problems but would like to know why. |
| 20:43.17 | PerfDave | tjiggi_fo: Presumably because you installed both kernel packages? |
| 20:43.27 | wols_ | tjiggi_fo: 486 was the installer kernel. uninstall it |
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| 20:46.57 | tjiggi_fo | wols_, thank you. Now that you mention it I do recall some complaint about incompatible kernels during the installation (which wasn't smooth sailing). Will uninstall. |
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| 20:59.50 | PRabyte | what does mode +l mean, just out of curiousity |
| 21:00.50 | kingsley | PRabyte: Please elaborate. |
| 21:01.02 | PRabyte | mode (+l 1272) by debhelper |
| 21:02.02 | crolab | it might mean the channel is in love mode - or maybe google for another answer |
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| 21:02.26 | wols_ | PRabyte: limit. max amount of users |
| 21:02.35 | kingsley | PRabyte: I don't see it in my IRC client, which is called XChat. Maybe its specific to your IRC client. |
| 21:02.37 | wols_ | and it's set so there can't be a join flood |
| 21:02.37 | PRabyte | tanks, just wondering |
| 21:03.32 | PRabyte | i assume the 1272 is some type of uid |
| 21:03.37 | dvs | kingsley: Then you see "* debhelper sets channel limit to 1272" |
| 21:04.06 | PRabyte | ah that makes sense. 1255 are in the room currently. nifty. thanks dvs |
| 21:04.09 | kingsley | dvs: For once, you're right again. :-) |
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| 21:16.36 | jhutchins_wk | Some clients allow you to hide those messages, or may default to hiding them. |
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| 21:19.26 | xreal | Does anyone know a repository for Tex2012 in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 21:25.30 | karlpinc | I'm wondering what desktop to use. I've an old 500Mhz PIII with 384M ram I'm setting up with gcompris for a little kid. I'm using slim for a dm. I'm not short on disk, but want to keep it simple and avoid overhead. Last time I tried lxde I had to fuss around adding programs into the menu manually and I want to avoid that. Something that will put icons on the desktop is fine. |
| 21:26.32 | karlpinc | fvwm? |
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| 21:27.22 | ompaul | how to reset a debian package to it's default values (say I kill a config file) |
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| 21:27.30 | ompaul | can't remember the factoid |
| 21:27.43 | babilen | confnew? |
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| 21:28.32 | ompaul | babilen: thanks |
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| 21:36.15 | adhy | How do you abort aptitude from ruining your system without opening a new console, typing your root password and running pkill? |
| 21:37.14 | ompaul | ruining? |
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| 21:37.45 | adhy | It starts downloading and installing the packages from the wrong distro, and before I had time to open a new console and kill it, it had already downloaded them and installing them |
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| 21:37.59 | ompaul | if it was installing them ... hard luck |
| 21:38.07 | ompaul | you can try to uninstall them |
| 21:38.19 | adhy | Well, Ctrl+C doesn't work even during install |
| 21:38.33 | adhy | Yeah, I already did that and reinstalled them, but that wouldn't work if it was something like glibc. |
| 21:38.34 | ompaul | yes it does |
| 21:38.48 | adhy | Well, sorry, I meant Ctrl+C doesn't work even during downloading |
| 21:38.50 | ompaul | that was for CTRL C |
| 21:39.00 | ompaul | it does - I use it regularly |
| 21:39.10 | ompaul | when I forget to do apt-get -d dist-upgrade or some such |
| 21:39.10 | adhy | it certainly it does not work in aptitude for me |
| 21:39.13 | babilen | (during downloading -- do /not/ interrupt installation) |
| 21:39.21 | ompaul | ahh aptitude is not apt-get |
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| 21:39.38 | babilen | adhy: Are you referring to the aptitude TUI or the CLI? |
| 21:39.47 | adhy | CLI |
| 21:40.06 | adhy | I've never used the TUI |
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| 21:40.29 | babilen | adhy: CTRL-C should work just fine, fwiw. Either way: If it started installing already you can not stop it. What exactly did you do? |
| 21:40.37 | babilen | (output on http://paste.debian.net might help) |
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| 21:45.11 | P0lly | i did a bad ifconfig command and now i have eth0:0 listed in addition to eth0. is this bad, can/should i delete it? |
| 21:46.06 | alvin_rxg | ~/wc |
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| 21:46.15 | karlpinc | P0lly: It does not really matter, if things work. All the same it's nice to have a clean system. (See /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 21:46.16 | crolab | ifconfig interface down |
| 21:47.30 | P0lly | thanks guys |
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| 21:48.49 | zeeshan | im trying to install "unzip" by typing aptitude install unzip |
| 21:48.57 | zeeshan | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main unzip 5.52-12 |
| 21:49.02 | zeeshan | I get that error.. |
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| 21:49.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell zeeshan -about lenny |
| 21:50.04 | ompaul | babilen: that kind of thing must play havoc with code freezes - omg I have lenny and they need new sources :) |
| 21:50.20 | babilen | zeeshan: Lenny has been EOLed a /long/ time ago. Please upgrade to squeeze by following the release notes. See "/msg dpkg release notes" and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" for further details |
| 21:50.42 | zeeshan | thank you |
| 21:50.42 | zeeshan | :) |
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| 21:52.23 | babilen | zeeshan: The second factoid summarises the entire process, but I would recommend to actually follow the release notes. |
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| 21:54.49 | ace777 | sup |
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| 21:55.54 | ace777 | is there someone in here that have edited actual font files like in crunchbang? i got some stuff screwed up. openbox displays right it is just part of the apps inside fonts that are screwed up. terminal is fine. etc. screenshot here so u can see http://imagebin.org/241003 |
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| 21:58.47 | KsM | ace777: you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and restart X I guess |
| 21:59.20 | babilen | ace777: You want #crunchbang and not #debian btw (or install Debian and come here for support) |
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| 21:59.37 | ace777 | i have tried that ksm |
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| 22:10.00 | jaoow | Why is Debian so insecure? |
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| 22:11.26 | LtL | jaoow: and this statement is based on what? |
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| 22:11.49 | jaoow | LtL: I just got hacked. |
| 22:11.55 | mtn | heh |
| 22:11.55 | jaoow | I'm pretty angry right now. |
| 22:11.57 | bluesm | What is /dev/null |
| 22:11.58 | bluesm | ? |
| 22:12.14 | AimHere | Are you sure it's Debian's fault and not you misconfiguring your OS? |
| 22:12.17 | LtL | bluesm: the bit bucket, nowhere land |
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| 22:13.03 | AimHere | bluesm > It's a kind of fake file that you pipe output to, if you never ever ever want to see that output again |
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| 22:16.23 | jaoow | AimHere: Debian's fault. |
| 22:16.32 | jaoow | It's insecure compared to BackTrack. |
| 22:16.51 | dvs | heh |
| 22:17.14 | hellekin | jaoow: BackTrack is made by security experts for security purposes. Debian is made for general computing purposes. |
| 22:17.16 | AimHere | It's probably insecure compared to OpenBSD too |
| 22:17.17 | LtL | jaoow: then don't use it. many administrators will disagree with you as well as many here. |
| 22:17.48 | jaoow | LtL: Well, I've lost 2 years of work............ |
| 22:17.52 | wols_ | wonders if backtrack even has security updates |
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| 22:17.59 | jaoow | WITHOUT any backups. |
| 22:18.00 | wols_ | jaoow: you had no backups? |
| 22:18.04 | mtn | jaoow, any decent workman will tell you blaming the tool is stupid |
| 22:18.08 | jaoow | Nope |
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| 22:18.10 | hellekin | in my experience, sticking to the security updates provided by Debian, and applying security policies work fine. |
| 22:18.12 | wols_ | jaoow: and you blame anyone but yourself? |
| 22:18.16 | jaoow | Don't worry, I was joking. |
| 22:18.24 | jaoow | But I COULD have. |
| 22:18.26 | jaoow | See |
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| 22:18.34 | babilen | jaoow: If you need actually help ask actual questions. If you want to whine than take it elsewhere. There is no point whatsoever in continuing this as it will lead nowhere. |
| 22:18.34 | jaoow | Make Debian more secure now -- peace out |
| 22:18.36 | mtn | smells a troll |
| 22:18.37 | wols_ | jaoow: how was debian insecure? |
| 22:18.56 | hellekin | jaoow: you can't blame the OS if you're not using Windows :P |
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| 22:19.04 | jaoow | wols_: Ask the person who hacked me. |
| 22:19.27 | AimHere | I could have been my nuclear power plant on Debian when someone found an external privilege escalation exploit in my Netrek server! Fix it, Debian! |
| 22:19.28 | hellekin | jaoow: you should rather ask yourself "how did that person break into my system?" |
| 22:19.30 | jaoow | I'm using Windows, I was joking about Debian. |
| 22:19.34 | jaoow | Jk |
| 22:19.40 | wols_ | ah, so you have no clue whatsoever but need a nice rant without any base in facts. read what babilen wrote and go away |
| 22:19.40 | jaoow | I joked about that too |
| 22:19.42 | jaoow | LOLOL |
| 22:19.48 | jaoow | Okay bb |
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| 22:20.52 | pce | jaoow: i am sorry for you, can i ask you which services are running on your server? |
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| 22:21.33 | babilen | pce: Just move on |
| 22:21.36 | tremon | pce: he can't, take it private |
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| 22:31.54 | bluesm | AimHere: Ok... |
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| 22:34.16 | bluesm | AimHere: So output goes to the ram memory, and then disappear ? |
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| 22:34.49 | AimHere | Something like that, I'm not sure of the exact mechanism |
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| 22:40.19 | bluesm | AimHere: Ok . Thank you very very much :) |
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| 22:42.08 | echosystm | is there any easy way to script a debian install from scratch? |
| 22:42.18 | echosystm | ive used puppet before, but im looking at something more low level |
| 22:43.07 | dvs | echosystm: /msg dpkg fai |
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| 22:44.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell echosystm -about preseed |
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| 22:45.17 | alternut | found out my server problem, the hard drive died |
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| 22:45.39 | alternut | what is that program you can run to help repair sectors, we used to use it in IT, but its been so long I dont remember |
| 22:46.06 | alternut | usually leave it run overnight from a bootdisk |
| 22:46.27 | echosystm | thanks guys |
| 22:46.40 | alternut | spinrite, thanks |
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| 22:56.54 | zeeshan | on my vps, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 532532 Apr 22 2012 mvdsv <- i have this file, when i go to run it by typing ./mvdsv it says -bash: -rwxr-xr-x: command not found |
| 22:57.11 | zeeshan | i mean |
| 22:57.20 | zeeshan | -bash: ./mvdsv: No such file or directory |
| 22:59.03 | tremon | zeeshan: file mvdsv? |
| 22:59.25 | zeeshan | quake:~/nquakesv# file mvdsv mvdsv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 22:59.26 | bluesm | Hey. What measure the total amount of data i received ? |
| 22:59.37 | bluesm | I mean the default graphic System |
| 22:59.44 | tremon | zeeshan: 64-bit system? |
| 22:59.45 | bluesm | System monitor |
| 22:59.56 | zeeshan | quake:~/nquakesv# uname -a Linux quake 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 16:32:15 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:59.57 | bluesm | Reset every some time. |
| 23:00.09 | zeeshan | god damn it |
| 23:00.13 | zeeshan | that's the problem |
| 23:00.23 | tremon | zeeshan: you need ia32-libs if on squeeze, or libc6:i386 if on wheezy |
| 23:00.23 | zeeshan | thank you sir. |
| 23:00.30 | bluesm | (Resources -> Network History -> Total Received ) |
| 23:00.33 | zeeshan | im still using lenny |
| 23:00.50 | tremon | tsk tsk :) |
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| 23:00.58 | zeeshan | not my machine :) |
| 23:01.00 | tremon | I'd guess it'd be ia32-libs there too |
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| 23:02.08 | zeeshan | bluesm. thank you so much. that was the problem. |
| 23:02.35 | tremon | bluesm: iptables has a packet counter too |
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| 23:06.55 | nyuszika7h | wtf? |
| 23:06.56 | nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@cadoth ~ % chsh -s /usr/local/bin/fish |
| 23:06.57 | nyuszika7h | You may not change the shell for 'nyuszika7h'. |
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| 23:07.09 | nyuszika7h | D: |
| 23:07.14 | nyuszika7h | I've accidentally overwritten /etc/shells |
| 23:07.19 | nyuszika7h | now only /usr/local/bin/fish is in it |
| 23:07.21 | nyuszika7h | help! |
| 23:07.48 | streuner | /usr/local/bin sounds fishy |
| 23:08.00 | nyuszika7h | it's /usr/local/bin because I compiled it manually |
| 23:08.03 | nyuszika7h | to get the beta |
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| 23:09.43 | streuner | nyuszika7h: wth did you do at all? |
| 23:09.57 | nyuszika7h | streuner: I accidentally did echo /usr/local/bin/fish | sudo tee /etc/shells |
| 23:10.02 | nyuszika7h | I wanted to append to the end of file |
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| 23:10.44 | streuner | nyuszika7h: i still dont unterstand, what kind of app did you compile? |
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| 23:10.53 | nyuszika7h | streuner: it's a shell |
| 23:11.00 | tremon | nyuszika7h: what's your question? |
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| 23:11.08 | streuner | and thats in Debian? omg |
| 23:11.21 | nyuszika7h | streuner: the beta version is not in the repos |
| 23:11.31 | nyuszika7h | tremon: how can I restore /etc/shells? |
| 23:11.45 | tremon | ls -1 /bin/*sh | sudo tee -a /etc/shells would be a good start, I think |
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| 23:12.10 | streuner | nyuszika7h: sure, but i would just use debian/rules to compile... |
| 23:12.11 | tremon | I don't think there is a config repository for its contents |
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| 23:12.38 | nyuszika7h | streuner: there is no debian/ directory |
| 23:13.55 | hramrach | you use the debian/ directory from version that in in debian |
| 23:14.07 | streuner | nyuszika7h: that makes the whole situation more difficult |
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| 23:15.09 | streuner | nyuszika7h: if you playing with shells, its a bad situation, IME |
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| 23:16.14 | crolab | streuner: why are you making this a bigger deal then it is ? just post what your cat /etc/shells coontains |
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| 23:17.00 | hramrach | it's system specific |
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| 23:17.58 | streuner | crolab: if you playing with shells in Debian, it is a problem |
| 23:18.56 | crolab | and how is that? |
| 23:19.34 | hramrach | it's not much of a problem. jut when it breaks you get to keep the pieces |
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| 23:21.28 | nyuszika7h | ] |
| 23:21.30 | nyuszika7h | oops |
| 23:21.41 | streuner | somebody compile, without any needs, a shell, and hopes that the system still running |
| 23:22.06 | streuner | hramrach: you are very funny :-) |
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| 23:23.27 | crolab | nyuszika7h: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/etcshells.html # /etc/shells: valid login shells /bin/csh /bin/sh /usr/bin/es /usr/bin/ksh /bin/ksh /usr/bin/rc /usr/bin/tcsh /bin/tcsh /usr/bin/esh /bin/dash /bin/bash /bin/rbash |
| 23:23.37 | nyuszika7h | ok, thanks |
| 23:23.52 | crolab | the url is for them that have no clue what the /etc/shells really is for |
| 23:24.47 | crolab | nyuszika7h: either they were messing with you or they have clueless |
| 23:24.49 | streuner | has no idea why somebody touching a shell in Debian, but its a really bad idea |
| 23:24.59 | nyuszika7h | crolab: what do you mean? |
| 23:25.08 | crolab | streuner: yea i got that from what you are saying |
| 23:27.41 | hramrach | it's normal |
| 23:27.52 | hramrach | any piece of the system is replaceable |
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| 23:29.38 | philluminati | I recently set up debian 6.06 in virtual machine but I'm having a weird issue with it. When I run my makefile, I get the error: make: *** [link] #deleted# no such file or directory. |
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| 23:29.52 | philluminati | However when I type the command manually it works. |
| 23:30.00 | philluminati | (I wrote that makefile myself) |
| 23:31.01 | philluminati | The command is "link -T ./src/link.ld -o ./build/kernel.bin ./build/{main.o,kb.o... } |
| 23:31.24 | philluminati | is something making it trip up on the use of the { } operands in a shell command? |
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| 23:32.11 | xreal | I want to upgrade Squeeze to Wheezy/sid. Is the update procedure stable or will I ran into bad problems? |
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| 23:32.21 | nevyn | philluminati: try running it by hand in sh |
| 23:32.55 | hramrach | xreal: there should be no major issues |
| 23:33.25 | xreal | hramrach: Are my self compiled applications going to run or do I need to recompile them? |
| 23:33.38 | xreal | bad English... |
| 23:33.39 | nevyn | philluminati: try /bin/sh -c "link -T ./src/link.ld -o ./build/kernel.bin ./build/{main.o,kb.o... } |
| 23:33.40 | tremon | xreal: watch out for incompatibility with binary blobs, especially 32-bit apps on amd64 can be an issue |
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| 23:33.47 | nevyn | philluminati: but with a closing quote |
| 23:33.53 | philluminati | nevyn: yeah... "sh command.sh" errors the same as make does... "bash command.sh" works |
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| 23:33.59 | hramrach | xreal: they will probably stop working due to soname changes |
| 23:34.13 | xreal | PostgreSQL databases also might crash... |
| 23:34.24 | nevyn | philluminati: :) |
| 23:34.31 | philluminati | so perhaps make runs the commands through bash on my other machine and debian is running make commands through sh here... |
| 23:34.40 | tremon | nevyn: good catch |
| 23:34.45 | nevyn | what's your other machine? |
| 23:35.01 | philluminati | not debian.. |
| 23:35.04 | philluminati | :-s |
| 23:35.25 | nevyn | many other linuxes have /bin/sh as a link to bash debian doesn't anymore |
| 23:35.27 | tremon | xreal: postgres clusters need to be manually moved, they will not get upgraded automatically |
| 23:35.28 | nevyn | it used to.. |
| 23:35.35 | hramrach | philluminati: you need to chack your commands for bashisms then ;-) |
| 23:35.55 | nevyn | like {blah.o ...} |
| 23:36.25 | lupine | or just amend the first line to #!/bin/bash |
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| 23:36.37 | lupine | it's amazing how many scripts dash catches out |
| 23:36.38 | hramrach | that's not working with make |
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| 23:36.49 | hramrach | but maybe setting SHELL |
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| 23:36.55 | nevyn | yep |
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| 23:37.19 | linuxthefish | why is my box using more ram ever since i ran grep? |
| 23:37.26 | LinuxGuy91 | DEBBY LEFT IAN BECAUSE HE HAD A SMALL COCK |
| 23:37.42 | linuxthefish | i closed it with ctrl + c, but it still won't give my memory :< |
| 23:38.03 | tremon | linuxthefish: "using more ram" ? |
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| 23:38.15 | bluesm | Where Can I find explanation about the keys ? |
| 23:38.21 | bluesm | such as |
| 23:38.21 | bluesm | https://www.insynchq.com/linux |
| 23:38.26 | philluminati | To be honest, even though it's very bad to use bashisms, especially when I don't need to.. I might either go with nevyn's solution: "bash -c link -T...." or maybe hramrach's of setting the shell, if it works |
| 23:38.36 | linuxthefish | free -m is showing i have 1715 mb used, when i used to have 300mb used |
| 23:38.53 | wols_ | bluesm: you mean the GPG keys for apt? |
| 23:38.58 | useless-eater | dvdstyler should be packaged for wheezy i think. Its a pretty cool piece of software. perfect for A-V-noobs creating nice looking dvds :) |
| 23:39.02 | tremon | linuxthefish: and how many of that is in buffers/cache? |
| 23:39.15 | AimHere | linuxthefish, subtract cache |
| 23:39.19 | useless-eater | linuxthefish: rejoice :) linux uses rat to cache, and its a good thing :) |
| 23:39.26 | useless-eater | ram* |
| 23:39.29 | nevyn | rat? |
| 23:39.34 | nevyn | I'm thinking volecache |
| 23:39.55 | linuxthefish | tremon: http://paste.linuxthefish.net/8 |
| 23:40.03 | nevyn | bluesm: what do you want to know. |
| 23:40.06 | wols_ | nevyn: why need you cache voles? they breed fine without |
| 23:40.11 | AimHere | sends for the ratcacher |
| 23:40.22 | bluesm | wols_: Probably yes. Because, the next instruction is to get this package, via apt package manager. |
| 23:40.23 | useless-eater | not a bug.. a rat :p |
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| 23:40.31 | wols_ | !tell bluesm about secure apt |
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| 23:40.48 | nevyn | wols_: ah theres a factoid for it. |
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| 23:41.27 | tremon | linuxthefish: the second line reads as "not considering disk cache, only 123M of memory is used". so nothing to worry about |
| 23:41.40 | linuxthefish | oh ok, thanks :) |
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| 23:42.16 | ldnblk2 | I have finally managed to compile and install compat-wireless thanks for the recomendations that I recieved that assisted me. |
| 23:42.50 | nevyn | I wish linux reported memory usage as the second line by default |
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| 23:43.47 | xreal | tremon: I think, I'll run a backup first :) |
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| 23:45.11 | tremon | xreal: of course. Also zless /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz before upgrading |
| 23:45.51 | Phil__M | Hi all. Wondering if I can get your thoughts about best practises for using rsync to backup a remove (live) apache webserver. Is it best to run rsync on the live server and use the backup server as destination. Or should rsync run on the backup server and ssh to the live server? |
| 23:47.27 | crolab | /c/8 |
| 23:47.27 | nack | I am trying to upgrade to wheezy, but apt-get dist-upgrade errors on could not perform immidiate configuration of default-jre. I try to install default-jre manually and I get errors that it can't install it because Break bla bla but something-squeezeN is going to be installed |
| 23:47.34 | xreal | MMh. I've downloaden this binary: http://www.tug.org/svn/texlive?view=revision&revision=26364 and chmod +x on it. When I want to run it (./patgen) bash says: "command not found" ?! |
| 23:48.18 | xreal | whoops. not it works :p |
| 23:48.33 | sney | !tell nack about immediate configuration |
| 23:48.54 | tremon | Phil__M: depends on your use case. I prefer to pull from the backup server, and through rsh instead of ssh |
| 23:49.30 | bluesm | nevyn: What is the purpose of keys? |
| 23:49.50 | nack | is default-jre an essential package? |
| 23:49.51 | bluesm | I mean keys to apt package manager ? |
| 23:50.32 | Phil__M | tremon, hmm ok - why rsh instead of ssh? |
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| 23:51.25 | tremon | Phil__M: for my use case, ssh had too much cpu overhead (backing up to an underpowered nas). I'm using kerberized rsh, not plain rsh btw. |
| 23:52.27 | philluminati | thanksf or the help guys |
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| 23:53.22 | Phil__M | tremon, Ah ok - that actually sounds like a pretty similar use case to mine -- I'm also backing up to NAS. The NAS seems comfortable with ssh CPU load though, especially at the hours I'm planning the backups to run. Thinking about it, considering the NAS is on a dynamicIP - I might be creating problems by attempting to push backups from live to NAS rather than pulling |
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| 23:53.38 | nack | is default-jre an essential package? |
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| 23:54.12 | xreal | Can I run 32-bit binarys on debian amd64 ? |
| 23:54.31 | tremon | xreal: yes |
| 23:54.46 | alkul | tremon: rsh? does that not use encryption? (I'm currently using ssh with arcfour, I could use something faster, it's a direct connection between two computers) |
| 23:54.55 | xreal | tremon: mmh, I can't get this to work: http://www.tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/i386-linux/patgen?revision=26340&view=co |
| 23:55.06 | tremon | alkul: rsh doesn't use encryption |
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| 23:55.15 | tremon | nack: no, priority:optional |
| 23:55.50 | alkul | Good to know, no more ssh needed then. |
| 23:55.52 | ompaul | and maybe needs contrib |
| 23:56.34 | tremon | xreal: please paste the output of ldd /path/to/patgen |
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| 23:57.42 | xreal | tremon: not a dynamic executable |
| 23:57.43 | nack | tremon, is there a command that spit that priority? |
| 23:57.58 | nack | tremon, in case more packages will give me trouble |
| 23:58.11 | tremon | nack: apt-cache show $pkg |
| 23:58.16 | tremon | or ask judd |
| 23:58.34 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.30 | tremon | xreal: do you have ia32-libs installed? |
| 23:59.40 | xreal | tremon: 1 sec |
