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| 00:03.05 | HardDisk_WP | when trying to do netinst-preseed, I use "append vga=788 initrd=debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz auto url=10.0.0.10" in pxelinux.cfg |
| 00:03.57 | HardDisk_WP | well, the installer boots up fine, but it doesnt load the preseed.cfg file at http://10.0.0.10/d-i/testing/./preseed.cfg as it should |
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| 00:04.48 | penguin42 | any of the debian games packagers arround? |
| 00:05.39 | penguin42 | I have a bug filed which I can see is fixed upstream on Barrage and wanted to know if there was anything I should do; similarly I have one filed against horgand (audio synth) that I've got a patch for |
| 00:05.43 | JoeHazzers | if my network interface is configured via dhcp and i'm using resolvconf, where should i be defining 127.0.0.1 as a nameserver so that it appears first? |
| 00:06.01 | jgiorgi | besides turning power management off (which is not available on my chip) is there a way to fix the frequent disconnects on a broadcom chip |
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| 00:06.19 | nono | gedit /etc/hostname |
| 00:06.36 | jgiorgi | it's a broadcom BCM4312 LP-PHY |
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| 00:07.30 | nono | JoeHazzers : /etc/hostname |
| 00:07.37 | HardDisk_WP | even with append vga=788 initrd=debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz auto url=http://10.0.0.10/d-i/testing/./preseed.cfg it won't try to load :/ |
| 00:07.59 | owen1 | i try to install a process monitoring script (https://github.com/visionmedia/mon/) and it tried to copy the script into /usr/local/bin but bin is owned by root. is it ok to chown this folder to the one that do the install? |
| 00:08.00 | JoeHazzers | nono: to what effect>? |
| 00:08.13 | Towzzer | place the name server at the top of resolv.conf |
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| 00:10.20 | nono | JoeHazzers:you have to work with /etc/hosts |
| 00:10.41 | JoeHazzers | to get a "nameserver 127.0.0.1" directive prepended in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:10.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 00:11.08 | Towzzer | joehazzers, your local machine is running a dns ? |
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| 00:11.13 | JoeHazzers | yes? |
| 00:12.22 | Towzzer | just put it at the top of resolv.conf, then in /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf remove dns from the list under request |
| 00:12.36 | nono | and /etc/hostname for machine name |
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| 00:12.49 | JoeHazzers | what does the machine name even have to do with this? |
| 00:12.53 | Arrowmaster | nothing at all |
| 00:13.10 | Towzzer | that's what I was confused about as well |
| 00:13.29 | nono | ... |
| 00:13.42 | nono | hosts hostname... |
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| 00:14.51 | JoeHazzers | so i have a dhcp configured network interface, resolvconf, and i always want 127.0.0.1 to be a prepended nameserver. of course, just shoving it in resolv.conf doesn't work because it gets overwritten by resolvconf |
| 00:15.19 | I440r | why does /usr/share/terminfo/x not have "xterm" in there? it has xterm-foo and xterm-bar and xterm-bam and all kinds of xterm. no "xterm" at all |
| 00:15.32 | penguin42 | JoeHazzers: you can add it into resolvconf's config so it'll add it whenever it rebuilds /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:15.32 | I440r | and /usr/share/terminfo/l/ has no "linux" |
| 00:16.14 | nono | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:16.22 | nono | nameserver ip |
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| 00:16.56 | penguin42 | JoeHazzers: I think /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
| 00:17.08 | Arrowmaster | or base |
| 00:17.49 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: I find it odd, I'd assumed that resolvconf would do the sane thing and read everything out of the .d dir in alphabetical order like practically every other similar program doesm, but I don't think it does |
| 00:18.25 | nono | JoeHazzers : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 00:18.27 | Arrowmaster | man page says base should probably be the proper place to put it |
| 00:18.31 | I440r | what does gentoo use /usr/share/terminfo for ? it does not seem to have a complete list of terminals in there yet the WRONG /lib/terminfo does |
| 00:19.01 | I440r | why do we have a working terminfo database in the wrong place and a broken terminfo database in the right place |
| 00:19.09 | penguin42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.21 | I440r | its where the FHS specifies terminfo belongs |
| 00:19.49 | Arrowmaster | i think /lib/terminfo has some basic terminfo stuff for when /usr isnt mounted |
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| 00:19.52 | I440r | libncurses suggests a symlink from /lib/terminfo to /usr/share/terminfo in order ot support OLDER apps that have not been updated with the correct location |
| 00:20.00 | Arrowmaster | but to save space not everything is there |
| 00:20.22 | I440r | Arrowmaster, /usr/share/terminfo is an incomplete database there is no xterm file in there. there is no linux file in there |
| 00:20.32 | penguin42 | I440r: There is a comment in /etc/terminfo/README describing the search path |
| 00:20.37 | Arrowmaster | right those are in /lib/terminfo |
| 00:20.56 | I440r | you shouldnt be duplicating them. the lib/terminfo should have ZERO files in it. it should simply be a link to /usr/share/terminfo |
| 00:21.05 | I440r | why is /usr/share/terminfo BROKEN. it has missing entries |
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| 00:21.12 | Arrowmaster | that would break everytime /usr isnt mounted |
| 00:21.34 | JoeHazzers | i'd like to think there was a more elegant solution, considering that resolvconf seems to be able to support nameserver priorities with interface-order |
| 00:21.42 | I440r | and usr should not be on a separate file system. thats OLD thinking. its discouraged |
| 00:21.58 | Arrowmaster | it may be old thinking but its still supported |
| 00:22.27 | penguin42 | the thinking tends to change just as about everyone has figured out what the current thinking is |
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| 00:22.33 | I440r | Arrowmaster, the correct location for terminfo files is /usr/share/terminfo. that should be a complete database |
| 00:22.37 | nono | what is the goal? |
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| 00:22.55 | I440r | if you want to duplicate the linux terminal in /lib/terminfo/l/linux then THAT i can see |
| 00:23.08 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to throttle the numbskull that put a symlink in /etc/modprobe.d to /usr when i had a friend come running for help because he couldnt get nvidia drivers working |
| 00:23.09 | I440r | but your certainly NOT going to be running X without /usr mounted |
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| 00:23.19 | Arrowmaster | that was on ubuntu that did that |
| 00:23.27 | I440r | so why are all the other X terminals in /lib/terminfo. someone doesnt seem to be thinking straight |
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| 00:23.56 | Arrowmaster | you dont need X running to need the xterm definition |
| 00:23.59 | penguin42 | I440r: Remember you don't need terminfo entries to run X, just to display properly |
| 00:24.02 | adb | !bts |
| 00:24.02 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 00:24.13 | penguin42 | I440r: So ssh'd in from an xterm early on for example |
| 00:24.18 | I440r | boot without /usr mounted and /lib/terminfo/x/xterm isnt going to be ANY good to you |
| 00:24.28 | penguin42 | I440r: Why? |
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| 00:24.49 | I440r | penguin42, you have a problem and need to have /usr unmounted yet your going to fix it by sshing in? |
| 00:24.55 | Arrowmaster | you can still have a working ssh server without /usr mounted |
| 00:24.57 | I440r | erm... again. i think someone isnt thiknking straight |
| 00:25.24 | I440r | its STILl a violation of the FHS to not have a complete terminfo under /usr/share |
| 00:25.44 | I440r | if you feel the need to duplicate a portion of those in /lib/terminfo thats fine. |
| 00:25.47 | Arrowmaster | ive seen ssh servers built into initrds to ssh in and provide the disk encryption password |
| 00:25.49 | I440r | i can see a use for it |
| 00:26.01 | penguin42 | I440r: I guess it works for someone running a serial console debug where there serial console in an xterm, but I agree it's weird |
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| 00:26.27 | penguin42 | Arrowmaster: yeh, that's common - as is doing one during install |
| 00:26.32 | I440r | penguin42, ive complained about this off and on for about 10 years. every single debian based distribution violates the FHS in this regard |
| 00:26.50 | I440r | and its been a major thorn in my side because i REFUSE to duct tape fix my code to fix your breakages |
| 00:27.09 | I440r | so my compiler / development system cannot run inside any gentoo based system |
| 00:27.23 | I440r | unless i duct tape it. which i wont |
| 00:27.34 | I440r | debian needs to fix their own breakages |
| 00:27.52 | I440r | and i might say gentoo when i mean debian here sometimes lol if i do that i appologise :P |
| 00:29.01 | I440r | i can really only see a need to have xterm or linux duplicated in /lib/terminfo pretty much everything under the sun calls itself xterm even when it ISNT xterm |
| 00:29.04 | I440r | or even close |
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| 00:29.40 | penguin42 | I440r: I'd have some sympathy for vt100 and ansi as well |
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| 00:30.21 | I440r | why? they dont support color. or at least vt100 doesnt. i think ansi might |
| 00:30.46 | I440r | any color vt100 is NOT vt100. xterm is supposed to be vt220 or something which supports color |
| 00:30.49 | I440r | i forget the details |
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| 00:31.21 | I440r | but still. we can chat about this all day and it still wont fix my issue. how do i get debian after 10 years of bitching at it to finally fix this? |
| 00:31.48 | superuser_ir | how to set serverlimit ? |
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| 00:33.52 | nono | gedit / etc/apache2..; |
| 00:33.54 | nono | ?? |
| 00:34.10 | Artemis3 | profit! |
| 00:34.13 | nono | superuser-ir: what do you want? |
| 00:34.55 | I440r | is there any way to get the debian powers that be at least look into fixing this? |
| 00:35.12 | penguin42 | I440r: I'll assume you tried filing a bug on it? |
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| 00:35.33 | I440r | no. im not even sure that would do any good |
| 00:35.36 | nono | I440r ? what is the matter ? |
| 00:36.06 | Coweater | I440r: this is a support channel, lamenting about it here does even less good |
| 00:36.20 | I440r | nono debian does not honor the FHS with regard to terminfo location. thers a boatload of /usr/share/terminfo files but many of them are missing from there and have been relocated to the incorrect /lib/terminfo location |
| 00:36.27 | I440r | for when /usr is not mounted i guess. |
| 00:36.40 | nono | ok so report it |
| 00:36.42 | nono | . |
| 00:36.43 | somiaj | the method to go about getting a matnainer response is to file a bug. |
| 00:36.46 | nono | :-) |
| 00:36.47 | Artemis3 | I440r, file a bug, and write to mailing lists, etc. Keep you packages code clean and use patches in your .deb to duct tape debianess |
| 00:36.49 | superuser_ir | nono: i want to set ServerLimit 1024 for apache MaxClients |
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| 00:37.45 | txomon | superuser_ir, have you thought about looking in the apache docs? |
| 00:37.59 | I440r | Artemis3, i dont have a .deb package for my project. and i refuse to duct tape anything. the entire reason libncurses is so freeking huge is because of the amount of duct tape he has to support to fix other peoples breakages. like gnome-terminal corlor 0 is not black, color 15 is black |
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| 00:38.19 | txomon | wonders if there is a good way to install debian remotely having ubuntu already installed there... |
| 00:38.25 | superuser_ir | nono : yaeh, but I didnt find it |
| 00:38.37 | I440r | thers THOUSANDS of little gochya's when it comes to doing curses coding and i refuse to duct tape other projects breakages |
| 00:38.48 | penguin42 | txomon: debootstrap |
| 00:38.51 | somiaj | txomon: you could install it to antoher parttion with debootstrap |
| 00:39.08 | txomon | penguin42, and any good way to repartition online? |
| 00:39.16 | penguin42 | txomon: Doing stuff remotely is always 'interesting' - if you break even the slightest thing you're screwed |
| 00:39.27 | txomon | penguin42, I know ;( |
| 00:39.39 | I440r | used to be at least some of the debian devs lived in here. not so any more? |
| 00:40.10 | penguin42 | txomon: Repartitioning live I don't think is doable in practice; that's what you should have installed lvm for! |
| 00:40.10 | nono | ps -O rss -C apache2 |
| 00:40.12 | txomon | I440r, I don't think much people will give you free support just for not filling a bug |
| 00:40.22 | somiaj | I440r: the offical irc network for debian is irc.oftc.net (not freenode) |
| 00:40.33 | I440r | ! |
| 00:40.35 | JoeHazzers | is anyone here aware of what the "dns-sortlist" directive does? |
| 00:40.39 | txomon | penguin42, windows does |
| 00:40.40 | txomon | :;D |
| 00:40.43 | somiaj | I440r: also complaing is going to do you no good. File a bug against the appropriate package |
| 00:40.56 | txomon | there must be a good way to do it |
| 00:41.21 | Artemis3 | I440r, changes in debian are.. hard. Think of boureocracy, you need to use proper channnels, etc. Then people need to propose and vote, too. Not going to happen any time soon. You can start the process and also provide your software in the meantime with patches to keep the code clean. |
| 00:41.51 | superuser_ir | nono : what give me this commend? |
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| 00:42.17 | nono | to edit max |
| 00:42.21 | I440r | Artemis3, supplying patches is mutually exclusive with "keeping the code clean" |
| 00:42.50 | I440r | and my projcet never had any .deb because thers no point, it wont work inside any debian distribution. im looking into reporting a bug now |
| 00:42.53 | Artemis3 | Your software, your call. This is going to take long, even if you do start the process. |
| 00:42.54 | nono | superuser_it: nano /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 00:43.04 | I440r | and not holding my breath over it ever being dealt with in a satisfactory maner |
| 00:43.13 | txomon | somiaj, I suppose I will have to use netboot + d-i |
| 00:43.20 | txomon | and cross my fingers... |
| 00:43.37 | somiaj | txomon: there is a way to allow the user to ssh into d-i and finish it |
| 00:43.38 | nono | ?? |
| 00:43.49 | somiaj | txomon: but you need someone to either go though the first few steps manually, or setup a preseed |
| 00:43.58 | Artemis3 | I440r, but usually someone would volunteer to become tha package maintainer, and do it anyway. |
| 00:44.00 | txomon | somiaj, you can just preseed all the installation |
| 00:44.02 | somiaj | (and im unsure how easy a preseed to setup ssh di is) |
| 00:44.28 | txomon | somiaj, you just have to configure d-i to install openssh-server and wait till it reboots |
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| 00:44.54 | somiaj | txomon: sure, I'm asying that the d-i has an option to do the whole install over ssh. You just need to go though a few steps to set that up |
| 00:44.58 | nono | 2 |
| 00:45.09 | I440r | Artemis3, i highly doubt thers a single debian or gentoo or ubuntu or fedora or redhat or you name it developer who would be anything other than completely and utterly LOST inside my sources. they are not coded in c. they are coded in 100% pure assembler and forth |
| 00:45.14 | txomon | somiaj, true, but I didn't think about that as an option... maybe I try |
| 00:45.18 | JoeHazzers | comes to the conclusion that resolvconf is horrible and uninstalls it |
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| 00:45.45 | txomon | JoeHazzers, it goes alright with nm-applet |
| 00:46.06 | somiaj | I like it, but use openresolv |
| 00:46.13 | JoeHazzers | unfortunately i'm not using nm-applet |
| 00:46.22 | txomon | somiaj, do you know about any d-i gui? |
| 00:46.23 | nono | superuser_ir: apache2.conf |
| 00:46.42 | somiaj | txomon: I just use the expert text based installer. |
| 00:46.48 | somiaj | txomon: there is a gui, but I don't know much about it |
| 00:47.09 | JoeHazzers | my problem with it thus far is that it doesn't seem to be possible to *prepend* nameservers or give them higher priority than those being provided via dhcp, either requiring me to edit the resolvconf snippets myself therefore invalidating its entire purpose, or adding them in dhclient.conf, therefore invalidating the entire purpose of resolvconf |
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| 00:47.50 | txomon | somiaj, no,sorry for messing up names s/d-i/preseeding/, I mean a gui to create preseeds |
| 00:48.00 | Artemis3 | I440r, then your software won't be used in debian & derivatives for a good long while, unless someone finds it and takes the effort to package it with patches (assuming open source) |
| 00:48.05 | somiaj | txomon: I don't know of such things. |
| 00:48.41 | I440r | Artemis3, it is open source and i dont care if there are .debs for it. i WOULD like people who use debian based distributions to be able to use the system tho. |
| 00:49.00 | txomon | somiaj, I have tried several time to command&conquer preseeding but always resists... I just drop before I read all the preseed guide |
| 00:49.09 | txomon | an gui would be much appreciated... |
| 00:49.30 | somiaj | txomon: I have never messed with them as a hobbist. I prefer deboostrap myself. (: |
| 00:49.57 | nono | http://grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/Llm+Playlist+1/65811302 |
| 00:50.32 | Artemis3 | txomon, preseed is rather easy if you take someone elses file as starting point. No gui, its simple text editing. |
| 00:51.19 | txomon | is litening to nono's playlist (a little reggae..) |
| 00:51.48 | nono | :-) |
| 00:51.49 | txomon | Artemis3, I know, the problem is to know all of them and make it easy to everyone |
| 00:51.56 | txomon | I don't like start points... |
| 00:51.57 | txomon | :D |
| 00:52.08 | nono | not only reggae |
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| 00:52.25 | txomon | first song yes (didn't give more time to listen) |
| 00:52.48 | Artemis3 | txomon, part of the file is common (but sometimes gets updated with sections added/removed), another part depends on each package questions |
| 00:53.00 | txomon | hummm ok |
| 00:53.12 | txomon | Artemis3, would it be posible to create a gui for it? |
| 00:53.35 | somiaj | txomon: good documentation would be preferable to most. |
| 00:53.36 | txomon | I mean, is there any way to know which questions will something prompt for? |
| 00:53.51 | somiaj | txomon: I haven't see the documentation. But gui is just something that needs to be matained as the installer evolves. |
| 00:53.52 | Artemis3 | txomon, perhaps, if someone is willing to keep with the updates, and the choices for every single package outthere (who can also change the questions/answers)... |
| 00:53.53 | txomon | somiaj, documentation is """good""" but too thick |
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| 00:54.08 | txomon | Artemis3, the idea was to automate that |
| 00:54.23 | Artemis3 | txomon, you are welcome to try :) |
| 00:54.25 | txomon | its a nonsense to have to maintain a package |
| 00:54.32 | nono | txomon : take the time |
| 00:54.34 | txomon | Artemis3, maybe |
| 00:54.36 | nono | stop cc |
| 00:55.15 | I440r | oh yea. one of the guys in #debian on oftc just reminded me. its no longer possible to have /usr unmounted |
| 00:55.21 | I440r | duh |
| 00:55.42 | txomon | wont cc... 2nd song now... going to third (don't like spanish rap/poesy) |
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| 00:57.08 | txomon | Artemis3, d-i questions are taken from the package, aren't they? |
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| 01:01.51 | txomon | is listening french rap!? |
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| 01:05.58 | sudoman | so to clear out the extra cruft in the lxde menu, i didn't bother with a menu editor, but removed the menu-xdg package. unfortunately some programs will want to pull it in. also had to clear out .local/share/applications/ and .local/share/desktop-directories/ |
| 01:06.02 | I440r | nope. i refuse to file a bug report on any debian packages. the only way to do that is via email and the email WILL be visible |
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| 01:06.28 | nono | http://www.ritimo.org/ |
| 01:07.30 | txomon | nono, I like this one http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Rue+De+Panam/2Ft3Pf?src=5 |
| 01:07.41 | nono | hey |
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| 01:07.49 | nono | so am i |
| 01:07.54 | nono | :-) |
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| 01:08.49 | nono | txomon : each one need your attention |
| 01:08.54 | nono | with love |
| 01:08.59 | somiaj | sudoman: yea the debian menu package allows for a standard way for debian packages to make menu items that isn't dependent on the desktop/wm used |
| 01:09.00 | nono | from France |
| 01:09.28 | somiaj | sudoman: what packages are dependent on menu-xdg that you have to have installed? (I always thought this should be a recomended depends and not a hard depends) |
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| 01:12.13 | sudoman | somiaj: none installed currently that pull it in. i don't want to add applications, i just don't want to see fifty things in Other, like xlogo and xclock |
| 01:13.00 | sudoman | and dash! :) |
| 01:13.01 | somiaj | sudoman: another option is modify the menu-method used to create the lxde menu |
| 01:13.13 | somiaj | sudoman: and you could put the debian menu as a submenu (it is what I do in fvwm) |
| 01:13.22 | nono | sudoman : change your name |
| 01:14.47 | somiaj | sudoman: or you could just modify the lxde menu method and comment everything out (so it doesn't add the debian menu entries) |
| 01:14.58 | sudoman | nono: it's like superman, except i use sudo, not superpowers |
| 01:15.11 | nono | sorry |
| 01:15.14 | sudoman | smoiaj, i'll take a peek, thanks for the tip |
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| 01:15.48 | arbir | Hello |
| 01:15.52 | somiaj | sudoman: I belive it is in /etc/menu-methods |
| 01:16.53 | arbir | if i need gcc and g++,do i install the build-essential ? i read on the wiki , it says, that its only for people who want to build debian packages. |
| 01:17.12 | nono | install it |
| 01:17.16 | nono | and try |
| 01:17.20 | arbir | i can also install gcc and g++ separately... so which is better ? |
| 01:17.21 | nono | m-a prepare |
| 01:17.23 | nevyn | nah build-essential is a basic c/c++ dev environament |
| 01:17.28 | nono | rtfm |
| 01:17.42 | nono | read the fuckind documentation |
| 01:17.45 | nono | g |
| 01:17.48 | I440r | i need to file a bug report. why does filing a bug report REQUIRE i plaster my email address over the entire net? |
| 01:17.51 | nono | no matter |
| 01:17.56 | nevyn | arbir: install it otherwise you'll need to get most of it by hand (make and headers etc) |
| 01:18.16 | txomon | arbir, build-essential it the essential to build. packaging-dev is the weighty one |
| 01:18.16 | somiaj | arbir: you need more then build-essential for debian packages, but you could just apt-cache show build-essential and look at the depends |
| 01:18.25 | arbir | nevyn: alright.... |
| 01:18.45 | arbir | thanks |
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| 01:18.55 | nono | g++ |
| 01:18.59 | nono | compil |
| 01:19.15 | arbir | what is {a} against each package name ? |
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| 01:19.58 | adb | !E |
| 01:19.58 | dpkg | Enlightenment is a stacking <window manager> for X11. Development Release 16 is packaged for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" as e16, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #619707. Development Release 17 is packaged for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" as e17. The Debian packages from packages.enlightenment.org are not supported in #debian. http://www.enlightenment.org/ #e on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:20.46 | somiaj | arbir: yea looks like build-essential depends on dpkg-dev which includes only the minimial tools required to build a debian package from a source package |
| 01:21.01 | nono | http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 01:21.09 | somiaj | arbir: it shouldn't be to big, but it contains more than you need just to compile software. |
| 01:21.19 | zykotick9 | arbir: in aptitude {a}utomatically installed |
| 01:21.31 | somiaj | arbir: so it includes the compiler, make, patch and a few basic debian utilities |
| 01:21.34 | arbir | somiaj: so build-essential will take care of my c++ needs. |
| 01:21.45 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here familiar with partman preseeding? |
| 01:21.48 | somiaj | arbir: yes it will (and include some extra stuff) |
| 01:21.58 | arbir | zykotick9: thanks |
| 01:22.03 | somiaj | arbir: the extra stuff may only be useful if you wanted to compile a debian source package. |
| 01:22.03 | arbir | somiaj: thanks! |
| 01:22.17 | somiaj | but over all it isn't a lot of extra stuff (you can check the size when it installs) |
| 01:22.54 | somiaj | arbir: yea I would still suggest that package just because it will pull in make, patch and other useful tools common in compiling software. |
| 01:23.28 | nono | m-a update |
| 01:23.37 | txomon | likes this too: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Banquet/27PSy4?src=5 |
| 01:23.51 | somiaj | nono: still using m-a....does your modlue not have a dkms option? |
| 01:24.37 | nono | no dkms |
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| 01:27.25 | nono | http://grooveshark.com/search/song?q=Bob%20Dylan%20Hurricane |
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| 01:30.58 | Malf | There is an application that is packaged in debian already but I want to run a newer version than those already packaged in any distribution. Having never built a .deb before is it worth it to try to build a .deb of the new version or should I just uninstall the package for now and run a local build of it directly? |
| 01:31.05 | somiaj | nono: #debian-offtopic is a better plcae to share random stuff like that. |
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| 01:31.25 | somiaj | Malf: what version debian are you running? |
| 01:31.33 | Malf | running testing at the moment |
| 01:31.49 | somiaj | Malf: /msg dpkg uupdate -- that may be helpful |
| 01:31.58 | txomon | Malf, did you check experimental? |
| 01:32.01 | sudoman | thanks everyone. :) |
| 01:32.19 | somiaj | Malf: it really depends on the application. If no other packages depend on your application putting it in /usr/local (or using something like stow to manage installs there) is just fine |
| 01:32.29 | Malf | yeah it's not in experimental either |
| 01:32.42 | txomon | oO |
| 01:32.43 | Malf | somiaj: Alright I'll take a look. Thanks for the info. |
| 01:33.09 | somiaj | Malf: if other things depend on your package you need to eithe ruse equivs (make a fake package), or build a debian package. I prefer building debian packages because then you can manange install and removal with apt/dpkg which is really nice |
| 01:33.16 | somiaj | Malf: I think it is worth the effort to make a .deb |
| 01:33.34 | Malf | it's just a one-off small package with nothing depending on it |
| 01:33.46 | Malf | and yeah managing the package that way would definitely be nice |
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| 01:34.20 | Malf | but uupdate looks promising so I'll give that a go |
| 01:34.28 | Malf | thanks for the help all |
| 01:35.29 | txomon | somiaj, that tool seems incredible! going to test it ;D |
| 01:36.04 | somiaj | txomon: yea, seems to have trouble with major version upgrades though, but subersion upgrades where the build process is basically identical it works well |
| 01:37.58 | txomon | somiaj, I am upgrading to apache2.4 in an ubuntu machine :S |
| 01:40.22 | nono | http://grooveshark.com/s/Pursuit+Of+Happiness/4zoebP?src=5 |
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| 01:41.29 | nono | ça dort? |
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| 01:41.45 | txomon | is spa ;=) |
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| 01:42.20 | damo22 | how come there is no wheezy xserver-xorg-video-nv driver? |
| 01:42.29 | nono | you are The winner you works with DEBIAN |
| 01:42.32 | nono | §§ |
| 01:42.38 | somiaj | damo22: I though nv was replaced with nouveau |
| 01:42.40 | nono | :-) |
| 01:42.48 | damo22 | nouveau is broken on my system |
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| 01:42.58 | damo22 | i want to try nv |
| 01:43.15 | nono | nano /etx/xorg.conf |
| 01:43.22 | somiaj | damo22: doesn't look like you have it there, http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-nv.html |
| 01:43.32 | somiaj | nono: you are a lot of noise, and that isn't his issue. |
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| 01:44.16 | nono | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:44.20 | nono | come on |
| 01:44.26 | _niCe_ | can someone tell me wtf bash is doing here??? https://paste.debian.net/220450/ |
| 01:44.28 | damo22 | nono, its not in my xorg |
| 01:44.34 | nono | ? |
| 01:44.46 | damo22 | nono: testing doesnt have this driver |
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| 01:45.11 | txomon | _niCe_, those are lots of greps |
| 01:45.16 | somiaj | damo22: follow that link and you can see why they removed it, but if nouveau is broken what is the error and think about filing a bug |
| 01:45.20 | txomon | I would tell you to try command by command |
| 01:45.47 | somiaj | _niCe_: there is #bash as this isn't a debian specific question it seems |
| 01:45.48 | _niCe_ | txomon, if i do a echo on $ct in the loop before the done it works |
| 01:45.59 | _niCe_ | but if i do a echo after done it doesn't |
| 01:46.15 | damo22 | nono: its hard to explain my problem because i am using proprietary hardware |
| 01:47.01 | somiaj | damo22: well I am unsure how easy it would be to add the nv driver back into your version of xorg. |
| 01:47.03 | nono | oki |
| 01:47.19 | nono | nvidia driver? |
| 01:47.21 | txomon | _niCe_, something strange you are doing there... |
| 01:47.39 | damo22 | i need 310.19 nvidia driver but its not packaged apparently |
| 01:48.22 | somiaj | damo22: it is in experimential if you wanted to try it, but it won't ever be in wheezy |
| 01:48.36 | damo22 | somiaj: how do i get that? |
| 01:48.39 | _niCe_ | txomon why stange? autoparsing logs to find bruteforce attacs, our do you mean the way i'm doing it |
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| 01:48.50 | somiaj | damo22: /msg dpkg experimential -- note these aren't really tested much |
| 01:48.52 | nono | you work with that: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-310.19-driver.html |
| 01:48.54 | nono | ? |
| 01:49.48 | somiaj | nono: the nvidia installer doesn't play nicely with apt/dpkg and can cause issues. That method really isn't supported by debian |
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| 01:50.13 | zykotick9 | on wheezy, is there a way to get mplayer to tab complete with a space? the mplayer and mplayer1 is driving me bananas (the beep i could live with) but i'm ending up with a lot of "mplayerFILENAMES" and having to move back to add the space... |
| 01:50.17 | txomon | somiaj, I documented how to change nvidia <-> nouveau and viceversa |
| 01:50.24 | txomon | if you need I can link |
| 01:50.24 | damo22 | nono: i disabled the discrete gfx, since i have 2 gfx cards in my laptop and want to save power, but now nouveau cant detect any displays |
| 01:50.26 | txomon | its in txomon.com |
| 01:50.42 | damo22 | nono: even though i have efifb working |
| 01:50.52 | nono | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:51.09 | nono | you have to do what is explain here |
| 01:51.12 | nono | ..; |
| 01:51.17 | damo22 | ty |
| 01:51.18 | nono | sorry i can do more |
| 01:51.23 | nono | i'm french |
| 01:51.26 | somiaj | damo22: have you tried to make an xorg.conf and tell the driver what busID to use to get the right card? |
| 01:51.33 | nono | a fucking grenouille |
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| 01:51.36 | damo22 | somiaj: yes |
| 01:51.37 | nono | :-) |
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| 01:52.05 | txomon | damo22, which kernel are you using? |
| 01:52.09 | nono | read!! |
| 01:52.14 | damo22 | my own vanilla kernel |
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| 01:52.30 | txomon | but which version? |
| 01:52.42 | txomon | I run my kernel (patched) and I have a version |
| 01:52.46 | damo22 | 3.8-rc1 |
| 01:52.53 | txomon | pff ok |
| 01:53.03 | damo22 | im doing some kernel dev |
| 01:53.17 | damo22 | but i kinda need X |
| 01:53.22 | txomon | so do I. did you take into account that you have to dpkg-reconfigure alternatives on the glx? |
| 01:53.36 | nono | dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 01:53.37 | txomon | mesa* |
| 01:53.40 | txomon | nono, no |
| 01:53.42 | txomon | that is all |
| 01:53.44 | nono | ;-) |
| 01:53.51 | damo22 | ok thanks |
| 01:53.51 | nono | that's all |
| 01:53.52 | somiaj | damo22: have you tried #nouveau, maybe they have some tricks to get it to detect the right card? |
| 01:54.05 | nono | old folk's |
| 01:54.07 | damo22 | oh cool didnt realise there is a channel for nouveau |
| 01:54.14 | txomon | xD |
| 01:54.39 | nono | ;-) |
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| 01:54.54 | damo22 | thanks folks |
| 01:54.57 | rtd | I have been trying to get some assistance from the #lvm channel, but nobody seems to be around, so does anyone know how to extend an LVM and would be willing to help out a 1st timer? |
| 01:55.09 | txomon | damo22, if you need in any moment to change between drivers |
| 01:55.18 | txomon | without uninstalling, I have documented that |
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| 01:56.20 | nono | and that: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
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| 01:56.30 | nevyn | rtd: lvextend -g +30GB /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 01:57.21 | rtd | nevyn: I think I am in the step before where I need to allocate the space to my PV |
| 01:57.50 | nevyn | did you add more physical disks? |
| 01:58.12 | rtd | sorry, maybe I mean my volume group |
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| 01:59.00 | arbir | hello |
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| 01:59.17 | rtd | nevyn: http://i.imgur.com/R5QZl.png |
| 01:59.22 | nevyn | rtd: can you post the output of lvs, vgs and pvs to paste.debian.net? |
| 01:59.26 | rtd | This is what it looks like now |
| 01:59.32 | rtd | sure, I will paste that also |
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| 02:01.00 | nevyn | so based on that it looks like you allocated a small partition as a pv rather than all the space. |
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| 02:01.21 | nevyn | so there are two ways you could add more space. |
| 02:01.36 | nevyn | make the partition bigger (may involve reboots) |
| 02:01.47 | nono | change the hard disk |
| 02:01.49 | nevyn | add another partition as a pv. |
| 02:01.50 | nono | :-) |
| 02:01.57 | nevyn | nono: ? |
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| 02:02.15 | rtd | http://paste.debian.net/220454 |
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| 02:02.45 | cesurasean | apt-get install openssh-server "no install canidate" |
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| 02:02.51 | cesurasean | how do i install ssh? |
| 02:03.07 | nevyn | read above and decide how you wish to proceed. |
| 02:03.12 | DLange | apt-get install ssh |
| 02:03.14 | Zerobeholder | apt-get install ssh |
| 02:03.22 | nono | aptitude install openssh-client |
| 02:03.25 | Zerobeholder | open ssh will be selected for you |
| 02:03.40 | nono | :-) |
| 02:03.44 | nono | just do it |
| 02:03.57 | cesurasean | how come i cant connec tto ssh? |
| 02:04.12 | rtd | nevyn: I want to extend dev/sda5 to use the unallocated space, then extend the "/" filesystem within there to utilize the added space |
| 02:04.18 | Zerobeholder | how are you connecting? |
| 02:04.21 | nevyn | rtd: so do that. |
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| 02:04.32 | rtd | that's where I am stuck |
| 02:04.58 | nevyn | rtd: depending on your bios/hardware implementation details you may need to reboot multiple times to get this to happen |
| 02:05.02 | cesurasean | there is no sshd inside /etc/init.d either |
| 02:05.11 | Zerobeholder | what machine is your client? Is the client a GUI? |
| 02:05.13 | somiaj | cesurasean: it is just /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 02:05.16 | cesurasean | it says openssh-server is refereed by another package... |
| 02:05.16 | nevyn | rtd: step 1 edit the partition table and change the size of sda5 |
| 02:05.19 | rtd | I added the additional space to the Virtual Machine using vboxmanage, then I extended the /dev/sda2 using gparted |
| 02:05.19 | cesurasean | it's not there. |
| 02:05.21 | Zerobeholder | What machine is your server. |
| 02:05.26 | cesurasean | openssh-client is installed |
| 02:05.34 | somiaj | cesurasean: dpkg -l | grep openssh-server -- or give us apt-cache policy openssh-server |
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| 02:05.44 | nevyn | so you need to extend sda5 |
| 02:05.49 | rtd | right |
| 02:05.50 | cesurasean | there is no openssh-server installed, nor can i download it |
| 02:06.09 | Zerobeholder | apt-get install ssh --force-reload |
| 02:06.12 | somiaj | cesurasean: can you share your sources.list with us or the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 02:06.14 | nevyn | rtd: once you've done that. you need to run pvresize /dev/sda5 |
| 02:06.27 | rtd | I have no clue on how to edit the partition table |
| 02:06.35 | Zerobeholder | Actually, do somaj's first. |
| 02:06.42 | cesurasean | oh |
| 02:06.44 | rtd | do you have a good resource on that? |
| 02:06.45 | cesurasean | i had no sources haha |
| 02:06.47 | nono | ssh -L port:servername@ip:port |
| 02:06.48 | cesurasean | thanks guy |
| 02:06.49 | cesurasean | peace |
| 02:06.49 | nevyn | rtd: how did you resize sda2 ? |
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| 02:06.56 | rtd | gparted gui |
| 02:06.56 | nono | gparted |
| 02:07.04 | nono | nevyn: gparted |
| 02:07.13 | nevyn | rtd: why can't you resize sda5 with gparted? |
| 02:07.19 | rtd | it won't let me |
| 02:07.32 | rtd | there's a little locked icon |
| 02:07.38 | nono | ? |
| 02:07.45 | nono | be roor |
| 02:07.45 | rtd | maybe b/c sda5 is the LVM |
| 02:07.46 | nono | t |
| 02:07.50 | dvs | rtd: it can't repartition partitions that are mounted |
| 02:07.57 | rtd | it's not mounted |
| 02:07.58 | Zerobeholder | Are you trying to resize while using the partition. |
| 02:08.00 | rtd | I am running rescue CD |
| 02:08.34 | nevyn | rtd: but lvm has started and recognised the vg |
| 02:08.51 | nevyn | rtd: you need to unmount the lv if it's mounted (check by running mount) |
| 02:08.58 | rtd | that could be it |
| 02:09.00 | nevyn | then you need to stop lvm on the livece |
| 02:09.00 | rtd | let me try |
| 02:09.07 | nevyn | livecd |
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| 02:09.39 | dvs | ... |
| 02:10.06 | nevyn | dvs: I don't see why not.. cfdisk will let me. |
| 02:10.13 | rtd | http://paste.debian.net/220455 |
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| 02:10.47 | cesurasean | my apt=-get has no mirrors. how can i run a reconfigure of apt-get to add them? |
| 02:10.57 | nevyn | rtd: that looks fine just stop lvm |
| 02:11.07 | nono | be sure on your sources.list |
| 02:11.14 | nono | an d then you can go |
| 02:11.21 | nono | no matter |
| 02:11.41 | rtd | how do I stop lvm? |
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| 02:11.57 | dvs | cesurasean: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:11.58 | nevyn | rtd: service lvm stop or /etc/init.d/lvm stop |
| 02:12.22 | nono | cesurasean: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 02:12.24 | somiaj | cesurasean: update your sources.list, run apt-get update |
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| 02:12.25 | nono | use it |
| 02:12.31 | nono | and full-upgrade |
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| 02:12.39 | cesurasean | how do i update the sources using the config tool used during install? |
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| 02:13.25 | rtd | Nice! |
| 02:13.31 | rtd | now it's editable in gparted |
| 02:13.37 | nono | oki |
| 02:13.40 | rtd | I am taking diligent notes |
| 02:13.40 | nono | ;-) |
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| 02:14.15 | nevyn | once you've made it bigger reboot off the hdd |
| 02:14.30 | rtd | then we can do the file system expansion? |
| 02:14.34 | nevyn | sure. |
| 02:14.38 | rtd | cool |
| 02:14.40 | nevyn | you can do that online |
| 02:14.44 | rtd | ok |
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| 02:15.06 | nevyn | it's just partitions and physical disk changes that won't happen online |
| 02:15.19 | rtd | got yah |
| 02:15.40 | rtd | should I restart lvm before rebooting to hdd? |
| 02:15.57 | nono | nevyn is the best |
| 02:16.01 | nono | !! |
| 02:16.16 | rtd | agreed |
| 02:16.38 | nevyn | rtd: doesn't matter. |
| 02:16.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 02:18.12 | rtd | alright, I have booted back up to the hdd |
| 02:18.15 | nevyn | ok. |
| 02:18.31 | nevyn | does pvs still say that it's 18Gb? |
| 02:18.53 | dvs | nope |
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| 02:18.58 | rtd | 97.41 |
| 02:19.10 | nevyn | cool |
| 02:19.17 | rtd | 78.54G Free |
| 02:19.18 | nevyn | and vgs says 77gb free? |
| 02:19.33 | rtd | yes |
| 02:19.44 | nevyn | so now you can lvextend |
| 02:20.28 | nevyn | so if you want to make root 30GB lvchange -L 30GB /dev/turnkey/lv_root |
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| 02:21.12 | nevyn | then resize2fs /dev/turnkey/lv_root |
| 02:21.14 | nevyn | rtd: ^^ |
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| 02:21.24 | nevyn | gtg.. I'll check in in a bit |
| 02:21.25 | rtd | ok |
| 02:21.44 | Tramp | nevyn: lvresize, I'd say |
| 02:22.15 | rtd | not lvextend? |
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| 02:23.29 | zophy | which package has all the precompiled modules available for my kernel ? |
| 02:23.45 | owen1 | i try to send email using the mail command. at first the mail was not sent because 'remote domains not supported' so using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config i changed it to 'internet site. mail sent/recieved via smtp' now i don't see any mail or any error message. any ideas? |
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| 02:24.57 | nono | module-init-tools |
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| 02:28.01 | rtd | success! |
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| 02:28.36 | rtd | I opted for "lvextend -L+78G /dev/turnkey/root" |
| 02:28.52 | rtd | then just did "resize2fs /dev/turnkey/root" |
| 02:28.58 | rtd | worked perfectly |
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| 02:29.19 | nono | owen1 : dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 02:30.08 | owen1 | nono: that's what i used. i set it to 'internet site' and left the rest of the options as default. |
| 02:30.23 | owen1 | nono: is there specific option i should tweak? |
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| 02:31.55 | PerfDave | Glad to hear it rtd |
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| 02:32.12 | nono | owen1: nano /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 02:33.21 | owen1 | nono: it's open |
| 02:33.44 | nono | oki so configure it |
| 02:33.56 | LtL | owen1: you should find a tutorial, it's not quite that easy. |
| 02:34.10 | nono | or use postfix |
| 02:34.23 | nono | but you can use exim |
| 02:35.18 | nono | http://wiki.debian.org/Exim |
| 02:35.19 | PerfDave | owen1: Have a look at /var/log/exim4/mainlog to see what's happening with your MTA |
| 02:35.20 | nono | !! |
| 02:35.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:35.25 | owen1 | LtL: yea. it's a few hondred lines config file |
| 02:35.36 | nono | dpkg: keep cool |
| 02:35.36 | dpkg | nono: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:35.50 | PerfDave | owen1: What is the system you're running exim on, and how do you want it to behave? |
| 02:37.18 | MrFrood | exim can reconfigured using 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
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| 02:37.28 | nono | ... |
| 02:38.10 | owen1 | PerfDave: 6.0.5. i want to be able to send email via the terminal: echo 'bla' | mail -s 'subject' me@gmail.com |
| 02:38.18 | MrFrood | mice menu driven configuration |
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| 02:38.24 | nono | mail ... |
| 02:38.43 | PerfDave | owen1: I mean, is it a server that's directly connected to the Internet, or a personal laptop, or what? |
| 02:39.01 | owen1 | PerfDave: 2012-12-30 18:26:54 1TpUIe-0007i0-JP == orengolan@gmail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out |
| 02:39.04 | MrFrood | owen1: does your email provider ofer imap and smtp |
| 02:39.18 | nono | owen1 : apt-get install swaks libnet-ssleay-perl |
| 02:39.18 | owen1 | PerfDave: desktop. connected to the internet via ethernet cable |
| 02:39.28 | rtd | Thanks PerfDave! Your assistance is greatly appreciate as well, great learning experience for me today |
| 02:39.38 | PerfDave | owen1: OK. So you probably want to configure Exim to use your ISP's smarthost. |
| 02:39.51 | MrFrood | PerfDave: no need |
| 02:40.00 | PerfDave | Your system will send mail to your ISP's smarthost, which will pass it on to gmail. |
| 02:40.03 | owen1 | PerfDave: will it let me send emails to non-gmail as well? |
| 02:40.09 | MrFrood | heirloom mailx support smtp |
| 02:40.13 | PerfDave | owen1: It should do, who's your ISP? |
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| 02:40.21 | owen1 | at&t |
| 02:40.30 | nono | owen1 : swaks -a -tls -q HELO -s localhost -au your_user -ap '<>' |
| 02:40.35 | PerfDave | owen1: OK, then you should be able to use their smarthost to relay mail to any Internet address. |
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| 02:40.48 | owen1 | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 02:40.54 | nono | !! |
| 02:40.54 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:41.04 | owen1 | nono: 1 sec. i am bit confused. |
| 02:41.14 | MrFrood | owen1: just swap bsd-mailx for heirllom mailx and set up your isp's smtp server in your .mailrc |
| 02:41.14 | PerfDave | owen1: Yes, and you want to use a smarthost as a relay. You'll need to get the AT&T mail server details. |
| 02:41.59 | PerfDave | Guys, there are lots of ways to do this, but this is pretty trivial to do using the default Debian MTA, so let's just stick with one plan rather than trying to get owen1 to do three entirely seperate things. |
| 02:42.12 | owen1 | (: |
| 02:42.17 | owen1 | PerfDave: i am with you |
| 02:42.19 | nono | ;-) |
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| 02:42.40 | MrFrood | PerfDave: smarthost is overkill in thiscase (imho) |
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| 02:42.47 | PerfDave | That's the trouble with mail, the wheels have been reinvented so many times that there are hundreds of ways to solve the problem. |
| 02:42.53 | MrFrood | but I'll shut up |
| 02:43.18 | PerfDave | MrFrood: Uhm, you just suggested relaying to the ISP's SMTP server with mailx. That's what a smarthost *is* - relay to the ISP's SMTP server. |
| 02:43.25 | nono | http://koivi.com/archives/exim4-config/ |
| 02:44.33 | PerfDave | owen1: Do you want all your system-generated mail to go off to your gmail account? |
| 02:44.34 | MrFrood | yes but all the internal deamons use exim so he has to set up proper email addresses for each user after you set up the smarthost |
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| 02:45.30 | owen1 | PerfDave: sure |
| 02:45.46 | MrFrood | the mailrc route allows him to do what he wants with no further messsing around - /me shuts up and lets PerfDave get on with whatever he thinks best |
| 02:45.57 | owen1 | MrFrood: LOL |
| 02:46.33 | owen1 | i am googling for 'at&t uverse mail setup' |
| 02:46.37 | PerfDave | owen1: Then I'd pick "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" |
| 02:46.43 | owen1 | ok |
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| 02:48.09 | nono | owen1: http://www.exim.org/docs.html |
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| 02:49.03 | nevyn | rtd: sorted? |
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| 02:50.05 | owen1 | nevyn: thanks |
| 02:50.07 | damo22 | hi guys, i think ive almost fixed this, but i need to install glx-alternative-mesa... but nvidia-installer --uninstall is broken, its frozen... |
| 02:50.08 | owen1 | i mean nono |
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| 02:50.51 | nono | postfix is friendly used |
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| 02:50.56 | PerfDave | owen1: http://learnfromhistory.blogs.jsoft.com/2009/05/switching-to-at-uverse.html has some useful info. AT&T block oubound port 25, so you need to send via AT&T's smarthost. |
| 02:51.55 | nono | firewall and rooting open on port 25!! |
| 02:52.03 | terron | I'm trying to get frames from a video using avconv (replaced the deprecated ffmpeg) but I get a ton of error messages and I'm not sure what they mean. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nWf9fAzV How can I fix this? Thanks |
| 02:52.25 | nono | use ffmpeg |
| 02:52.29 | nono | ;-) |
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| 02:53.21 | PerfDave | has his own Debian colo server for mail relay purposes ;) |
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| 02:55.06 | nono | terron : |
| 02:55.06 | nono | I used something like: |
| 02:55.06 | nono | avconv -i inputfile -vcodec libx264 -profile high outputfile |
| 02:55.08 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.32 | nono | I don't think -vpre option still work? At least not all of them. |
| 02:55.39 | PerfDave | owen1: That DNS name doesn't resolve here either, but thatn it might not do outside AT&T's network |
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| 02:56.05 | PerfDave | owen1: "host mail.server1.att.net" gives no results |
| 02:56.29 | synamics | mail.server1.att.net = 67.215.65.132 |
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| 02:57.04 | owen1 | synamics: should i put that in one of the steps of dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 02:57.27 | synamics | owen1, you can use the /etc/hosts file |
| 02:57.33 | synamics | and it's resolves itself |
| 02:57.56 | nono | gedit /etc/hosts |
| 02:58.06 | synamics | try, echo "67.215.65.132 mail.server1.att.net" >> /etc/hosts as root |
| 02:58.31 | nono | he has to understand |
| 02:58.33 | nono | !! |
| 02:58.34 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 02:58.54 | synamics | owen1, sorry, that's not the IP of the mail server |
| 02:58.58 | synamics | owen1, it's a wrong cache |
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| 03:00.45 | synamics | I'll try to search another IP for you |
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| 03:01.00 | sdcardo | has anyone here running Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy been able to install 3.7.1 from https://launchpad.net/~linux-libre/+archive/ppa ? |
| 03:02.04 | synamics | sdcardo, I think ins't recommended use ppa's |
| 03:02.09 | synamics | sdcardo, whats package you want? |
| 03:02.27 | sdcardo | linux 3.7.1 |
| 03:02.41 | dvs | sdcardo: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 03:02.54 | PerfDave | Uhm, isn't that for Ubuntu, not Debian? |
| 03:03.02 | synamics | sdcardo, you want to install linux 3.7.1 in Debian? |
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| 03:03.58 | sdcardo | I want to install 3.7.1 on Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy from https://launchpad.net/~linux-libre/+archive/ppa |
| 03:04.22 | synamics | sdcardo, I think it's crazy |
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| 03:04.36 | synamics | sdcardo, why you want do that? |
| 03:04.53 | nono | sdcardo: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/173 |
| 03:05.24 | PerfDave | OK, 3am here, bedtime for me - night all |
| 03:05.31 | owen1 | btw, i am able to send email using this node package - https://github.com/andris9/Nodemailer ! WTF |
| 03:06.00 | owen1 | (using gmail) |
| 03:07.00 | terron | nono: the weird thing is it WAS working, but I tried to install mythtv (which was a mistake) and it broke it somehow. even after purging everything related to libav and reinstalling, it still wont work |
| 03:07.20 | sdcardo | nono, add-apt-repository: command not found |
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| 03:08.07 | nono | sdcardo: apt-get install python-software-properties |
| 03:08.10 | nono | ;-) |
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| 03:08.16 | synamics | sdcardo, use sources.list |
| 03:08.36 | nono | http://grooveshark.com/s/Words+Between+The+Lines+Of+Age/2vHebN?src=5 |
| 03:08.41 | nono | :-) |
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| 03:12.12 | zophy | wow |
| 03:12.21 | sdcardo | has anyone here running Wheezy dared to do what i intend to do? |
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| 03:12.55 | zophy | i installed wheezy with debootstrap |
| 03:13.00 | engla | probably not sdcardo, why not just compile linux yourself |
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| 03:13.30 | dvs | agrres |
| 03:13.49 | owen1 | thank you guys for the help. i am using the node package since it seems to send me emails using gmail. |
| 03:13.50 | engla | using make-kpkg |
| 03:13.53 | sdcardo | engla, too much of a hassle for a desktop newbie like me and LOTS more! |
| 03:13.56 | nono | sdcardo: apt-get install python-software-properties |
| 03:14.23 | LtL | nono: all due respect to Neil Young, this isn't the venue for that. |
| 03:14.25 | nono | and try add-apt-repository |
| 03:14.32 | nono | oki |
| 03:14.37 | nono | as you wish |
| 03:14.46 | LtL | thank you |
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| 03:16.15 | sdcardo | nono, thanks, i installed .python-software-properties 2 minutes ago but add-apt-repository ppa:linux-libre/ppa did not change my sources.list |
| 03:16.32 | nono | ;-) |
| 03:16.35 | nono | great |
| 03:16.41 | nono | nice |
| 03:16.44 | nono | !! |
| 03:16.44 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 03:17.04 | nono | ok i 'm sorry dpkg |
| 03:17.05 | progme | When I attempt to switch to a tty I get a blank screen. What can I do to troubleshoot this issue? |
| 03:17.40 | LtL | nono: just one more piece of advice, try to use sentences and less enter key .. thanks in advance. |
| 03:17.44 | smear | my iceweasel is acting wierd. when I switch to the content tab in the preferences menu it doesn't show the correct menu. This was not happening before as I have non-default settings on now. |
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| 03:18.21 | nono | progme :dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 03:19.15 | pythonsnake | is fakeroot or vm better for installing pkgs without altering / |
| 03:19.29 | synamics | smear, try reinstall the package |
| 03:19.34 | progme | nono: what are those supposed to do? |
| 03:20.02 | synamics | smear, the package is the stable one? |
| 03:20.15 | nono | sdcardo : sdcardo : gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:20.33 | sdcardo | nono, i reckon i will have to edit my sources lists and add the relevant linux libre repo entries. At least, the ppa key was installed by executing the aforementioned command |
| 03:20.39 | smear | yes, synamics. |
| 03:21.01 | smear | I just moved the .mozilla folder and restarted iceweasel and it starts normally. |
| 03:21.02 | synamics | smear, and all his dependencies and sugest is stable too? |
| 03:21.22 | smear | I am only using squeeze. |
| 03:21.31 | smear | squeeze main. |
| 03:21.38 | synamics | smear, you move .mozilla to where |
| 03:21.39 | synamics | ? |
| 03:21.41 | nono | sdcardo: add-apt-repository ppa:telepathy/ppa |
| 03:21.46 | nono | :-) |
| 03:21.53 | smear | mv .mozilla .a |
| 03:21.57 | zophy | where do i enable the touchpd tapping, X config or the window manager ? |
| 03:22.17 | nono | in french : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ppa#ajout_d_un_ppa_a_vos_sources_logicielles |
| 03:22.32 | synamics | smear, oh, it's probably a corruption made by you or accidentally |
| 03:22.38 | synamics | smear, try reconfigure |
| 03:22.43 | synamics | smear, apt-get purge iceweasel |
| 03:22.48 | synamics | smear, apt-get install iceweasel |
| 03:22.51 | synamics | and configure it |
| 03:24.17 | sdcardo | nono, what is that repo for? |
| 03:24.50 | pythonsnake | can you apt-get stuff in a fakeroot? |
| 03:24.52 | damo22 | how do i remove dependency of nvidia-installer-cleanup when trying to install glx-alternatives-mesa |
| 03:25.07 | damo22 | the cleanup is broken |
| 03:25.14 | steven68 | I have a Ralink RT2870 WiFi adapter which uses rt2870.bin firmware. Is it possible that there is not kernel module needed? Or is always some sort of kernel module needed in addition to WiFi adapter firmware? |
| 03:26.10 | dvs | !rt2870 |
| 03:26.10 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian Linux 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 03:26.14 | nono | sdcardo : what do you want? |
| 03:26.19 | damo22 | i just want to purge all nvidia binary crap and put in nouveau + mesa |
| 03:26.21 | nono | what deb? |
| 03:26.29 | synamics | steven68, try search on wireless.kernel.org if there's a driver for you |
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| 03:26.43 | smear | I haven't touched those other files that I am aware of. pooh. |
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| 03:27.50 | nono | sdcardo? |
| 03:27.53 | nono | come on |
| 03:28.28 | sdcardo | nono, i am overcome by fear: upon doing apt-get upgrade wheezy's linux-libc-dev_3.2.35-2_i386.deb was replaced by linux-libc-dev_3.7.1-gnu-1.precise1_i386.deb! |
| 03:28.29 | Gast | what is time? I mean time itself... it has to be "something"... is it some kind of music, because it's always there? |
| 03:28.50 | nono | no fear |
| 03:29.07 | nono | do it |
| 03:29.12 | nono | aptitude update |
| 03:29.17 | nono | and |
| 03:29.26 | nono | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:29.38 | nono | be sure |
| 03:29.46 | nono | there is no problem |
| 03:30.44 | nono | know your rights!! |
| 03:30.56 | nono | oups |
| 03:31.35 | sdcardo | nono. i don't think anyone here running Wheezy has dared to do what i am about to do? |
| 03:31.40 | sdcardo | nono. i don't think anyone here running Wheezy has dared to do what i am about to do! |
| 03:31.44 | Towzzer | what |
| 03:32.08 | nono | sdcardo : Towzzer is here for you |
| 03:32.12 | synamics | sdcardo, #debian-next |
| 03:32.35 | sdcardo | Towzzer, installing 3.7.1 on Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy from https://launchpad.net/~linux-libre/+archive/ppa |
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| 03:33.05 | dvs | because most people running wheezy know better. |
| 03:33.23 | nono | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:33.32 | zykotick9 | sdcardo: you are aware that debian already has a libre-type kernel right? no non-free blobs? |
| 03:33.35 | nono | put squeeze |
| 03:34.50 | zykotick9 | sdcardo: and just to parrot what has already been said several times. using PPAs with debian - is a terrible idea... |
| 03:35.09 | progme | When I attempt to switch to a tty I get a blank screen. What can I do to troubleshoot this issue? |
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| 03:35.34 | sdcardo | zykotick9, that is not mentioned in the faq |
| 03:35.42 | Gast | what is time? I mean time itself... it has to be "something"... is it some kind of music, because it's always there? |
| 03:35.59 | Gast | nevermind |
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| 03:36.14 | zykotick9 | sdcardo: what isn't? what faq? the kernel or the ppa stuff? |
| 03:36.32 | Gast | does anyone know if there's a "philosophical" channel on this server? |
| 03:36.48 | dvs | not here |
| 03:36.51 | somiaj | Gast: ##philosophy or something like that |
| 03:36.57 | nkuttler | Gast: ask in #freenode |
| 03:36.57 | Gast | thank you |
| 03:37.00 | nono | progme nano /etc/default/console-setup |
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| 03:38.25 | nono | progme :# SCREEN_WIDTH=80 |
| 03:38.50 | progme | uncomment that? |
| 03:38.51 | zykotick9 | progme: you'd ususally use "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for nono's suggestion above, not use nano. |
| 03:39.32 | zykotick9 | progme: but regarding you black screen, are you using nvidia/ati and are you trying a vga= line currently? |
| 03:39.34 | nono | progme: tu commentes height and widht avec # |
| 03:40.13 | progme | nono: they are already commented out |
| 03:40.24 | progme | zykotick9: i have a nvidia quadro k4000m |
| 03:40.33 | smear | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.33 | nono | ! |
| 03:41.02 | zykotick9 | progme: did the VTs break after installing propritary driver? did they ever work? |
| 03:41.21 | nono | progme : nano /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 03:41.24 | nono | ... |
| 03:41.44 | progme | zykotick9: They did not work. I am trying to get to a terminal in order to install them |
| 03:42.05 | progme | zykotick9: the tty's never worked.... i am trying to get to a terminal in order to install the nvidia drivers |
| 03:42.11 | damo22 | failed to initialise GLX extension EE then i get black screen |
| 03:42.12 | sdcardo | sdacrdo, the debian desktop newbie faq ;) |
| 03:42.28 | sdcardo | zykotick9, the debian desktop newbie faq ;) |
| 03:42.31 | damo22 | but it detects my monitor and nouveau card etc |
| 03:42.34 | zykotick9 | progme: you don't need a vt to using nvidia - unless you're trying the driver from nvidia.com, is that what you're doing? |
| 03:42.38 | progme | nono: ok, then what |
| 03:42.52 | progme | zykotick9: that is what i am doing, yes. |
| 03:42.59 | damo22 | Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found |
| 03:43.07 | zykotick9 | progme: good luck then... (bad idea IMO) |
| 03:43.20 | progme | zykotick9: I had issues using the nvidia apt packages |
| 03:44.18 | sney | progme, there are a lot of #debian helpers with experience installing the nvidia proprietary driver the debian way. perhaps you could tell us what went wrong |
| 03:44.18 | zykotick9 | progme: you might want to see "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks" before you proceed. anyways, good luck to you. |
| 03:45.17 | progme | sney: I think I may have just figured out something I had missed before |
| 03:45.24 | progme | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation-1 |
| 03:45.36 | damo22 | how can i purge Xorg and reinstall it |
| 03:45.45 | sney | argh, that wiki page is a mess, I sympathise |
| 03:45.48 | damo22 | and all the mesa stuff |
| 03:46.00 | sney | progme, so what did you miss |
| 03:46.00 | nono | progme : nvidia? |
| 03:46.01 | progme | Step 1 states that i need to determine what version of the drivers should be installed, is that referring to the nvidia driver version? which is now on 310? |
| 03:46.33 | sney | progme, no, not exactly. it means to determine whether your gpu is supported by the standard 'nvidia' driver package or one of the 'nvidia-legacy' packages |
| 03:46.37 | damo22 | my mesa stuff is broken, im a tard for using binary stuff from nvidia website |
| 03:47.07 | progme | sney: oh. according to nvidia.com my card is supported on all of their 3xx drivers |
| 03:47.08 | sdcardo | i will be back in 5 min or so |
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| 03:47.27 | sney | !tell damo22 about confmiss |
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| 03:48.06 | sney | damo22, see the message dpkg just sent you and reinstall the packages you think may have been damaged with 'aptitude reinstall.' the confmiss option may be necessary depending on what changes the nvidia installer made. |
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| 03:49.13 | progme | sney: i ran the script from the wiki that determines what version I should be using and it says my card is not supported yet |
| 03:49.29 | sney | progme, is your card supported by the 295 driver? |
| 03:49.42 | progme | I thought so... |
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| 03:50.14 | sney | the 295 driver is available in squeeze-backports and it's pretty easy to get packages from there. look it up and let us know |
| 03:50.44 | nono | progme:http://www.debian-fr.org/nvidia-facile-installation-des-pilotes-nvidia-pour-debian-t13604.html |
| 03:51.10 | sney | nono, I think we have it well under control here, thanks |
| 03:51.32 | nono | http://www.debian-fr.org/nvidia-facile-installation-des-pilotes-nvidia-pour-debian-t13604.html |
| 03:52.07 | progme | sney: according to this my card is not supported: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-295.73-whql-driver.html |
| 03:52.08 | sney | nono, that link is outdated. |
| 03:52.17 | progme | sney: are the packages direct ports from the nvidia versions? |
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| 03:52.38 | progme | I don't even know if that's the proper package that would be ported.... |
| 03:52.42 | sney | progme, yes they are. specifically the one in squeeze-backports is 295.59 |
| 03:52.51 | progme | ok |
| 03:52.54 | sney | but they are structured so as not to nuke the system |
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| 03:53.14 | progme | sney: i am assuming the nvidia downloads are not designed in the same fashion? |
| 03:53.18 | sney | all of this non-free stuff makes the system not work as well as it should, sigh |
| 03:53.47 | sney | progme, you would be correct. they do not respect the debian package management system and things break quickly if any changes are made |
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| 03:54.53 | sney | progme, unfortunately with a gpu that new your only choice for using the nvidia driver is to use testing |
| 03:55.49 | progme | sney: This is the road I went down earlier today. The testing nvidia-glx requires a newer gcc which breaks other things |
| 03:56.06 | progme | apt listed breaking changes |
| 03:56.24 | sney | progme, I don't mean mix testing and stable. that's always a bad idea. I mean to upgrade entirely to testing |
| 03:56.32 | progme | o |
| 03:56.48 | sney | normally, this is not a recommended solution for newer users... but it's pretty reliable now, getting close to a release in a few months |
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| 03:57.06 | progme | I have never done that. Should I reinstall the OS or is there a simpler path? |
| 03:57.46 | sney | it depends on the complexity of your install. do you have any third party sources? |
| 03:58.05 | progme | Nope. It's a brand new install. |
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| 03:58.21 | progme | Literally brand new... just finished about an hour ago |
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| 03:59.04 | I440r | does debian have any tools like beyond compare? |
| 03:59.07 | sney | progme, perfect. you can upgrade directly without reinstalling |
| 03:59.12 | sney | I440r, maybe. what's that? |
| 03:59.45 | I440r | sney a differening/merging tool. diff is great for making pathes, sucks for merging |
| 03:59.54 | I440r | beyond compare is a windows app tho. |
| 04:00.03 | I440r | unless they have a linux version too maybe i should check |
| 04:00.22 | I440r | it does about the best differencing of any tool ive seen and ive used loads of them |
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| 04:00.42 | nono | progme |
| 04:00.52 | nono | don't need to reinstall |
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| 04:02.01 | sney | progme, this nono guy is just on top of everything isn't he ;)? anyway, open the file /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor, remove the lines for squeeze-updates, and change all other instances of the word 'squeeze' to say 'wheezy' instead. |
| 04:02.15 | sney | save the file, run apt-get update, run apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 04:02.21 | sney | (all of these done as root of course) |
| 04:02.23 | progme | sney: i don't need to worry about backports with this method? |
| 04:02.26 | sney | nope |
| 04:02.30 | progme | k |
| 04:02.31 | sney | not for a year or two anyway |
| 04:02.34 | nono | hey |
| 04:02.36 | I440r | hah beyond compare has a .deb lol |
| 04:02.38 | nono | wake up |
| 04:02.42 | nono | ;-) |
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| 04:03.43 | nono | thanks sney |
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| 04:04.26 | I440r | if i remember right i just do dpkg -i blah.deb yes? |
| 04:04.42 | LtL | I440r: yes |
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| 04:06.05 | progme | sney: process started. gonna walk away for a while. thanks |
| 04:06.12 | sney | np |
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| 04:07.34 | progme | sney: so once this is done i should be able to follow the deb nvidia install wiki page? |
| 04:07.53 | nono | yes |
| 04:08.02 | nono | ;-) |
| 04:08.06 | nono | keep cool |
| 04:08.10 | nono | and read |
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| 04:09.01 | sney | progme, yes. I recommend paying attention only to the 'dkms' section of that wiki page. ignore everything else, it's a mess of unnecessarily complex ways to do the same thing. |
| 04:09.59 | progme | ok |
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| 04:14.03 | progme | subtle |
| 04:16.12 | RigidWig | is there something like iftop that will display which files, specifically, are being transmitted? |
| 04:16.45 | nono | wireshark? |
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| 04:17.10 | nono | acid-base |
| 04:17.12 | nono | ? |
| 04:17.22 | RigidWig | nono, was hoping for something could work through terminal (ssh)... |
| 04:17.30 | nono | hum |
| 04:17.42 | damo22 | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extenstion (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) i am trying to use mesa and nouveau, but my libglx.so is the binary driver from nvidia... where do i find the mesa one? |
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| 04:26.07 | nono | iftop -F 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 04:28.35 | wols_ | damo22: why do you have the nvidia one installed? |
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| 04:41.12 | damo22 | wols_: it was left behind with an old binary driver |
| 04:41.59 | damo22 | wols_: i removed the symlink and reinstalled xserver-xorg-core, it fixed the problem with glx, but now i still get a blank screen |
| 04:43.15 | damo22 | it says Output LVDS-2 connected |
| 04:43.36 | wols_ | damo22: laptop? |
| 04:43.40 | damo22 | yep |
| 04:44.11 | damo22 | AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI/DRI2 capable |
| 04:44.51 | damo22 | loaded and initialized swrast |
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| 04:45.28 | damo22 | setting screen size to 508x317 ?? |
| 04:45.44 | damo22 | then it resized to 1920x1200 |
| 04:45.50 | damo22 | and i got black screen |
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| 04:47.14 | progme | sney: everything is prettier :) |
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| 04:56.53 | GinTonic | hi guys,my eth0 can't work in DEBIAN,but it works in windowsXP sytem |
| 04:57.39 | GinTonic | the eth0 dosen't light in DEBIAN,can you help me |
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| 05:00.39 | GinTonic | the network card doesn't light up |
| 05:00.54 | GinTonic | help me ,thanks |
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| 05:02.49 | hybridpo1lo | what does 'dmesg | grep -i eth' and 'lspci | grep Ether' return ? |
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| 05:04.02 | GinTonic | lspci shows this: RTL8111/8168B |
| 05:04.49 | Towzzer | realtek 8169 driver, already included in etch, wheezy, squeeze |
| 05:05.02 | Towzzer | gintonic, what does ifconfig show |
| 05:05.37 | GinTonic | YES,i get this:r8169 by doing lsmod |
| 05:05.53 | GinTonic | just show lo and eth0 |
| 05:06.08 | Towzzer | but you have no connection? |
| 05:06.24 | GinTonic | no connection |
| 05:06.51 | Towzzer | what ip address does it show in ifconfig |
| 05:07.25 | GinTonic | show the MAC AND STATIC IP(i setup it) |
| 05:08.16 | Towzzer | can you ping your gateway? |
| 05:09.26 | GinTonic | pppoeconf show :the concentrator has no response |
| 05:09.42 | Towzzer | I have no flippin clue what that means :D |
| 05:09.52 | Towzzer | ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:10.00 | GinTonic | can't ping gateway in windowsXP alsa,but i can ADSL |
| 05:10.32 | Towzzer | is this like a PPP connection? |
| 05:10.35 | GinTonic | now ,the problem is the network card can't be light up |
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| 05:11.23 | GinTonic | yes ,i do pon dsl-provider days ago ,but recently it can't work |
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| 05:21.57 | GinTonic | my netcard's lamp can't light up ,help me ,i have used pon dsl-provider days ago,but it works in windowsXP |
| 05:21.58 | GinTonic | can someone help me ?thanks |
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| 05:22.24 | wols_ | GinTonic: what hardware is it? |
| 05:22.30 | CoolChapChad | valdyn: hmm. that produced some warnings |
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| 05:23.43 | arbir | finally an ITC client that works for me |
| 05:23.45 | arbir | IRC |
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| 05:24.18 | arbir | Telepathy and Kopete both dont work. Never manage to authenticate... |
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| 05:25.26 | hanasaki | does debian still have dvd player codecs that are available ? |
| 05:25.47 | DrakkenWarr | libdvdcss something or other |
| 05:25.48 | LtL | hanasaki: yes |
| 05:25.51 | arbir | hanasaki: libdvdcss |
| 05:25.56 | wols_ | GinTonic: GinTonic pppoe -A |
| 05:26.07 | hanasaki | I had heard there were liscense issues so they were taken out? also for blueray |
| 05:26.21 | GinTonic | wols, what this mean 'pppoe -A' |
| 05:26.35 | DrakkenWarr | bluray is out of my field. don't own one sorry |
| 05:26.41 | wols_ | GinTonic: it's a command |
| 05:27.30 | arbir | DrakkenWarr: i will never support blueray.. simple |
| 05:27.33 | GinTonic | what this command do |
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| 05:27.53 | arbir | DrakkenWarr: unless, they make it royalty free and a universal standard. |
| 05:27.55 | hanasaki | so if I were to go from kubuntu or ubuntu current to debian testing... what would be in debian and not ubuntu or what would be missing due to liscense issues? |
| 05:28.28 | arbir | hanasaki: i think you can get all that is there in Ubuntu, you will need to add other repos. debian does not support those repos though |
| 05:28.37 | DrakkenWarr | agreed arbir |
| 05:29.11 | hanasaki | arbir: hmm not sure I want to add any deb repositories that are not endorsed by Debian.... |
| 05:29.20 | hanasaki | too open to malicious code |
| 05:29.35 | arbir | DrakkenWarr: you and me did not have a say when the war was being fought between HD/DVD and Blueray.. so obviously, i will not endorse it. |
| 05:29.54 | DrakkenWarr | again agreed arbir |
| 05:29.54 | arbir | hanasaki: not true... opensource that is trusted, is good. |
| 05:30.26 | hanasaki | arbir: true... but where do you find what sites can actually be trusted? |
| 05:30.58 | hanasaki | apache/debian/ubuntu/rh I might trust... joesDebianPackages... that's another story |
| 05:31.25 | arbir | hanasaki: read about it. thousands of people use certain repos. eg. a particular software might be available only on a certain repo, not present in the main debian |
| 05:31.45 | arbir | hanasaki: just because debian does not support it, does not mean its malicious. |
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| 05:32.07 | arbir | hanasaki: and if you are so afraid, you can always check the code, its OPEN :-) |
| 05:32.46 | hanasaki | arbir: ;) maybe only 10K lines right lol |
| 05:33.33 | arbir | hanasaki: well, would you support facbook's code or this open source ? |
| 05:33.53 | hanasaki | for a price I might support most code |
| 05:34.06 | hanasaki | opensource and free is preferable |
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| 05:36.54 | arbir | let me rephrase, would you trust facebook's code or postgresql's code ? |
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| 05:38.34 | hanasaki | arbir: I don't really have a backround to endorse or not for either |
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| 05:44.17 | louisdk | Hi. I've a Debian machine with a data-partition as raid1. The root filesystem is not in that raid. How do I resize that raid? |
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| 05:46.05 | jagginess | louisdk, not possible.. |
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| 05:49.52 | viking667 | where would I find visualvm? a quick apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk suggests it for install, but apt-cache search visualvm doesn't show one. |
| 05:50.05 | viking667 | Is that one of those Oracle-only things? |
| 05:50.22 | jagginess | viking667, jdk is for development.. you juse need jre |
| 05:50.33 | viking667 | I need the jdk. |
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| 05:50.58 | viking667 | ... otherwise maven doesn't compile a jar from some source I have. |
| 05:51.07 | wols_ | viking667: from the looks of it it's not part of the oracle jdk either but a separate download |
| 05:51.18 | viking667 | sigh. From Oracle? |
| 05:51.52 | wols_ | http://visualvm.java.net/ |
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| 05:52.11 | viking667 | thanks. I wasn't aware there was a website for it. |
| 05:53.34 | louisdk | I've /dev/md0 mounted as /mnt/data. That raid1 councists of 2x 3TB disks partitioned as ext4. The problem is that the partitions in that raids is only 800Gb and there's about 2,2 TB free space. How do I repartition so I get 3 TB ext4 system in raid1? |
| 05:53.39 | viking667 | ugh. "... and builds on Netbeans Platform 7.2.1...". It also looks like it's part of java 7 |
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| 05:55.17 | louisdk | Should I remove sdc1, resize sdb1 and then put sdc1 back in the raid? |
| 05:57.25 | progme | I am getting a No devices detected X error when trying to load my nvidia drivers from wheezy testing |
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| 06:21.54 | r3m | ,znc |
| 06:21.58 | r3m | ,v znc |
| 06:21.59 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-2; wheezy: 0.206-2; experimental: 1.0-2 |
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| 06:28.19 | neon__ | I tried installing mplayer on wheezy, and it say it depend on libggi2, which is not installable |
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| 06:30.07 | neon__ | mplayer : Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.2.2) but it is not installable |
| 06:30.08 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:30.25 | Zerobeholder | Sounds like a conundrum. |
| 06:30.34 | neon__ | indeed |
| 06:30.40 | Zerobeholder | Check your sources.list? |
| 06:31.23 | neon__ | it look the same as before |
| 06:31.48 | neon__ | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 06:32.03 | neon__ | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 06:32.16 | neon__ | deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia/ testing main |
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| 06:32.22 | KsM | neon__: install mplayer2 |
| 06:32.51 | neon__ | will it satisfy freevo? |
| 06:33.09 | Zerobeholder | You do have the option to compile from source (or acquire suitable precompiled binaries) to satisfy the dependencies... |
| 06:33.19 | neon__ | KsM, mplayer2 installation attempt cause the same dependancey message |
| 06:33.43 | KsM | odd and bad |
| 06:34.11 | Zerobeholder | I just got marketed to by CoolChapChad in a PM. |
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| 06:34.26 | Zerobeholder | CoolChapChad seems to be hocking caskets. |
| 06:35.05 | Zerobeholder | It may be the delierium talking, but I think that is hilarious and decided to share it. |
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| 06:43.37 | zykotick9 | neon__: i'm using mplayer1 from deb-multimedia on wheezy? |
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| 06:44.44 | zykotick9 | neon__: sorry, didn't see your debian-next post... my bad. |
| 06:44.45 | neon__ | zykotick9, from deb-multimedia? |
| 06:44.55 | zykotick9 | neon__: yes, but it's mplayer-nogui |
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| 06:46.56 | neon__ | zykotick9, I think it try to get mplayer from deb-multimedia here |
| 06:47.08 | neon__ | zykotick9, but it exist in wheezy no? |
| 06:47.22 | neon__ | why is it trying to get it from multimedia? |
| 06:47.53 | zykotick9 | neon__: wow the difference between "apt-cache depends mplayer-nogui" and "apt-cache depends mplayer" is HUGE |
| 06:48.13 | zykotick9 | neon__: mplayer-nogui is ONLY in deb-multimedia |
| 06:49.03 | zykotick9 | neon__: i'm a freevo user as well ;) |
| 06:50.09 | neon__ | zykotick9, I didnt use freevo yet. But I tried installing mythtv like 5 times without success, so I am looking for something that I will actually see working |
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| 06:50.31 | neon__ | zykotick9, is freevo good? |
| 06:51.23 | zykotick9 | neon__: i use mythtv to record my tv, if you want tvrecording i'd suggest you figure out myth. freevo is very "basic" in comparison, but i like it better for some things... |
| 06:52.03 | neon__ | zykotick9, does it have timeshifting? |
| 06:52.47 | zykotick9 | neon__: freevo? i doubt it. but i've never used it for watching livetv, only playing back my music/recordedtv/movies |
| 06:53.09 | neon__ | I removed deb-multimedia from source.list, and now freevo installs |
| 06:53.39 | zykotick9 | neon__: freevo is from main. myth is from deb-multimedia. |
| 06:54.17 | neon__ | but mplayer from deb-multimedia was depended on by freevo |
| 06:54.38 | zykotick9 | neon__: ya, i can see where you problem came from (sort of...) |
| 06:55.19 | neon__ | what type of video output do I have? I have X11 for sure, but i have nvidia card |
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| 06:56.09 | zykotick9 | neon__: if you have a recent nvidia, you can configure mplayer to use vdpau or opengl - there are any options that mplayer support... |
| 06:57.09 | zykotick9 | neon__: vdpau assumes nvidia-propritary driver... |
| 06:57.49 | neon__ | I don't have that option in the list |
| 06:58.06 | zykotick9 | neon__: oh, during install, just pick X |
| 06:58.09 | neon__ | I have fbdev dxr3 mga direct fb dfbmga dga |
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| 06:59.14 | neon__ | it asked me if to start at boot recorder server |
| 06:59.16 | zykotick9 | neon__: ahhh, i see x11 as my first option in freevo install? |
| 06:59.32 | neon__ | so I think it freevo records |
| 07:00.26 | zykotick9 | neon__: freevo DOES record, i've just never set it up (i don't think it's trivial, but YMMV). i actually disable the entire TV subcatagory in my freevo. |
| 07:02.00 | mvt007geek | i added this to know about user diagnosis http://pastebin.com/wQMs0Ssc i put this in a systemfile code.but i got this errors: http://pastebin.com/kPPT5cLg |
| 07:02.15 | mvt007geek | what .h files i should include? |
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| 07:05.57 | neon__ | it look bigger then my screen |
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| 07:07.58 | neon__ | i set the screen to big |
| 07:08.05 | neon__ | ok fixed |
| 07:08.16 | neon__ | but it doesn't show me TV from my tv card |
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| 07:15.08 | dan_ | can someone post their lenny sources? i got, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main and deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 07:15.14 | dan_ | im getting server not found |
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| 07:18.28 | zykotick9 | !lenny |
| 07:18.29 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 07:21.32 | tux-world | There is an issue in my power's fan. when I use Debian as the primary os the speed of power's fan does not decreasing but when I load windows the speed of power's fan decreasing very fast. do you know what the problem is? |
| 07:22.03 | dan_ | ugh im following a document that assumes im running lenny |
| 07:22.17 | zykotick9 | dan_: are you using lenny? |
| 07:23.19 | dan_ | not sure, this is what it says- "Then make sure both 'non-free' and 'contrib' are following the "lenny" text (which can also be: stable, testing, squeeze, unstable, sid, and experimental, but this document assumes you're running lenny)" |
| 07:23.38 | zykotick9 | dan_: run "lsb_release -a" |
| 07:23.43 | dan_ | when i apt-get update, i just get not found so |
| 07:24.16 | allorder | dpkg tell tux-world about Lm-sensors |
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| 07:31.01 | dan_ | No LSB modules are available. |
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| 07:33.38 | allorder | did you type: lsb_release -a |
| 07:35.01 | dan_ | yeh |
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| 07:36.52 | allorder | install lsb-release |
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| 07:38.56 | zykotick9 | dan_: "No LSB modules are available." is usually just the 1st line? does "lsb_release -sc" work? |
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| 07:40.08 | dan_ | quantal |
| 07:40.14 | allorder | lol |
| 07:40.15 | tux-world | sol: http://paste.debian.net/220494/ |
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| 07:42.06 | allorder | !ubuntu |
| 07:42.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 07:51.13 | dan_ | seems they are way to chatty on #ubuntu chan. i'll check back with them l8r |
| 07:51.30 | allorder | ok |
| 07:52.44 | allorder | you could install debian in the meantime :P |
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| 07:53.57 | ilreh | doesn anyone know how I mount a dual layer iso completely? mounting it normally only gives access to the first layer. |
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| 07:59.42 | pclov3r | whats the proper way to install nvidia dkms from sid. Just use apt-get and install it from that? |
| 08:00.51 | pclov3r | The current driver doesn't support my card. The backport driver is pretty old but is supproted by my card. |
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| 08:01.15 | Zerobeholder | pclov3r: you might need to temporarily add the sid sources to your sources.list configuration file. |
| 08:01.16 | ksk | hum, you just could add the sid repos |
| 08:01.24 | ksk | but mixing with unstable does not sound too good to me. |
| 08:01.41 | Zerobeholder | Then you can apt-get them. I echo ksk's words. |
| 08:01.48 | pclov3r | Go into safe mode |
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| 08:01.57 | pclov3r | i mean single user mode |
| 08:02.31 | pclov3r | remove the old drivers and install the new sid ones |
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| 08:04.39 | pclov3r | brb |
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| 08:15.11 | Abhijit | hi |
| 08:15.17 | Abhijit | what is debian standard ? |
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| 08:16.11 | Abhijit | i see the option debian standard in the live torrent download list along with kde, xfce etc |
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| 08:20.01 | ilreh | anyone? I'd like to mount the iso of a dual-layer dvd, but it seems like I can only read the first layer (about 4gb). How can I access all data? |
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| 08:24.02 | _g | i have a working live usb, and i have another partion in the empty space. i am trying to encrypt it |
| 08:24.46 | _g | i think it's because i am trying AES256 and it isn't in the kernel? |
| 08:24.58 | _g | sudo losetup -e AES256 /dev/loop0 /dev/sdb2 |
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| 08:25.34 | _g | ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument |
| 08:26.20 | _g | TBH i dont care so much about which algorithm so much |
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| 08:29.16 | _g | oh i had to modprobe cryptoloop |
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| 08:56.28 | pclov3r | Well that wasn't a good idea to install sid drivers. |
| 08:56.55 | pclov3r | what do you think the correct way to install them is? |
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| 09:10.02 | wols_ | pclov3r: which ones? |
| 09:10.37 | pclov3r | wols: 304.64-3 |
| 09:10.47 | pclov3r | wols: tried to use nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 09:11.20 | pclov3r | wols_: Sorry wrong name tag |
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| 09:12.43 | pclov3r | wols_ On backport ones right now. |
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| 09:13.49 | wols_ | you backport the packages yourself usually |
| 09:14.15 | pclov3r | wols_ I think I'll just stick with the backport ones for now. |
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| 09:18.19 | pclov3r | the backport ones seem ok atm |
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| 10:09.27 | Mattz0r | Hey, any ideas how to prevent this from happening, and falling the system over? http://mattz0r.me.uk/i/595btp.png |
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| 10:12.57 | koollman | Mattz0r: simplest way : adding more memory. more reliable way : set vm.overcommit_memory=2 (in /etc/sysctl.conf) to limit memory overcommit |
| 10:13.26 | Mattz0r | lol, the server has 32GB RAM |
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| 10:13.34 | koollman | Mattz0r: although ... if your system managed to crash so wrongly that it had to kill rsyslog, getty and acpid, there might be some fundamental problem too |
| 10:13.36 | Mattz0r | we've left 2GB un-used |
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| 10:14.07 | Mattz0r | I hope not, it's a brand new server only been used for 2 weeks :/ |
| 10:14.21 | koollman | Mattz0r: software problem. not hardware. |
| 10:14.25 | Mattz0r | ahh |
| 10:14.41 | koollman | Mattz0r: what are you running that actually allocated 30GB of ram, then ? |
| 10:14.48 | Mattz0r | Minecraft servers :3 |
| 10:14.53 | koollman | ah |
| 10:15.06 | Rienzilla | Mattz0r: does the system have swapspace? |
| 10:15.13 | Mattz0r | no |
| 10:15.18 | koollman | yes, turn on overcommit. and you want to probably tune your java vm a bit differently. and add some swap space |
| 10:15.20 | Rienzilla | step 1: add it |
| 10:15.30 | Rienzilla | then it will at least start paging instead of crash |
| 10:15.34 | Mattz0r | oh, we've heavily tuneed java |
| 10:15.40 | Mattz0r | let me grab the startup line |
| 10:15.43 | koollman | (add swap space first, it's the easiest part right now) |
| 10:15.58 | Mattz0r | how can i do that in a live system? |
| 10:16.02 | koollman | well, it will change a crash in a slowdown. still, that's a bit better |
| 10:16.15 | Rienzilla | make a swap file or lvm of partition, run mkswap on it |
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| 10:16.26 | Rienzilla | koollman: it wont even necessarily slow down |
| 10:16.41 | Rienzilla | memory that is hardly being used can be paged out and may not be needed for ages |
| 10:16.45 | koollman | Rienzilla: well. it crashed. it would have paged out instead. slow down. (not necessarily big one) |
| 10:16.54 | Rienzilla | yeah ok |
| 10:16.58 | Rienzilla | we agree :) |
| 10:17.23 | Mattz0r | I may point out that I have at least 8 other servers with similar RAM usage.... let me check the 2nd node see how thats coping |
| 10:17.27 | Mattz0r | before i lose that one too |
| 10:17.28 | Mattz0r | lol |
| 10:17.39 | Mattz0r | thank the lord for IPMI though |
| 10:17.42 | koollman | Mattz0r: create some swap file, like /swap ; mkswap /swap ; edit /etc/fstab ; swapon -a |
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| 10:17.59 | Mattz0r | hmm |
| 10:18.08 | Mattz0r | will it automagically take the space from the main partition? |
| 10:18.14 | Rienzilla | if yopu create a file, yes |
| 10:18.15 | koollman | no. need a specific space |
| 10:18.28 | Mattz0r | o.o |
| 10:18.35 | koollman | to create a 2GB swap file: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1M count=2048 |
| 10:18.36 | Rienzilla | well, the size of the file is fixed |
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| 10:18.44 | Mattz0r | ok |
| 10:18.52 | Rienzilla | but it will be taken from the partition where you store it (obviously) |
| 10:18.58 | Mattz0r | yes |
| 10:19.05 | koollman | and it's easy enough to add or remove some dynamically, too |
| 10:19.14 | Mattz0r | 2048+0 records in |
| 10:19.15 | Mattz0r | 2048+0 records out |
| 10:19.15 | Mattz0r | 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 0.950003 s, 2.3 GB/s |
| 10:19.17 | Mattz0r | ssd drive <3 |
| 10:21.10 | Rienzilla | be careful with swapping to an ssd |
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| 10:21.30 | Rienzilla | that may wear the drive fast |
| 10:21.46 | koollman | only if you swap really often. in this case, use less ram ;) |
| 10:22.04 | Rienzilla | :-) |
| 10:22.23 | koollman | on the other hand ... 2.3GB/s means you either have a crazy fast ssd, or some large cache that lies to the OS |
| 10:23.04 | koollman | so, if it's not some PCI stuff like fusionIO but a regular sata ssd ... you may have another problem, too :) |
| 10:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I wondered about that, too |
| 10:23.09 | Rienzilla | the latter :) |
| 10:23.14 | Mattz0r | intel 330 6Gb/s |
| 10:23.18 | Rienzilla | an ssd is not that fast a writer at all |
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| 10:25.11 | Apachez | koollman: many ssd's have shitloads och readcache nowadays |
| 10:25.12 | koollman | well, on a database server, I would disable the writecache on that disk. on a minecraft server ... it's probably ok |
| 10:25.16 | Apachez | och=of |
| 10:25.20 | koollman | Apachez: that was a write |
| 10:25.30 | Apachez | samsung 256GB 840 PRO has 512MB of read/write cache |
| 10:25.37 | koollman | on a ssd that can have a writecache, but without a capacitor to save it |
| 10:25.46 | Apachez | so if you bench with smaller size than that there is a great probability that you will hit this cache |
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| 10:26.37 | koollman | but we're drifting away from the original problem ;) |
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| 10:29.06 | Mattz0r | sorry |
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| 10:29.11 | Mattz0r | got caught by a phone call |
| 10:29.12 | Mattz0r | :L |
| 10:29.38 | Mattz0r | I'm kinda battling with Mumps (Parotitus) at the same time -_- |
| 10:30.10 | Mattz0r | What I have here, to be installed in the servers, are some regular SATA drives |
| 10:30.18 | Mattz0r | to run along side the SSD's |
| 10:30.27 | Mattz0r | they just took their sweet ass time delivering them |
| 10:30.44 | Mattz0r | would it be best to get those installed, then do the swap? |
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| 10:30.55 | dizzylizzy | Does anybody want to play a quick game of netris? |
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| 10:31.06 | thewanderer1 | dizzylizzy, #debian-offtopic |
| 10:31.22 | dizzylizzy | sighs |
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| 10:31.50 | Mattz0r | koollman: this is what my 2nd node looks like in terms of RAM: http://mattz0r.me.uk/i/zaxpl1.png |
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| 10:32.33 | koollman | Mattz0r: far from full, for now at least. (second line contains the useful values) |
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| 10:33.00 | Mattz0r | ok |
| 10:33.29 | Mattz0r | node one after reboot is much better, tho i don't know what it was like prior to reboot |
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| 10:33.33 | Mattz0r | 11 used, 20 free |
| 10:33.36 | ciphered | how can i update the si/so columns it is still showing an old value in vmstat |
| 10:33.38 | Mattz0r | I'll keep an eye on it |
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| 10:34.35 | Mattz0r | but yeah, the java command we use is -> "{JAVA}" -Xmx{MAX_MEMORY}M -Xincgc -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -XX:+CMSIncrementalPacing -XX:ParallelGCThreads=8 -XX:+AggressiveOpts -Djline.terminal=jline.UnsupportedTerminal -jar "{JAR}" nogui |
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| 11:01.11 | Mattz0r | oh yeah, anyone here use status2k on their debian boxes? |
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| 11:51.36 | jelly-home | fantastic1: hi there, did you fix your rsync issues |
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| 11:52.20 | hirogen | wow more ppl in here then linux and ubuntu |
| 11:52.58 | hirogen | im new to these o/s pretty bad really - can debian be installed in vmware player within windows as a vm ? hassle freee/ |
| 11:52.59 | hirogen | ? |
| 11:53.17 | themill | sure |
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| 11:53.24 | yu210148 | shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:53.32 | Mattz0r | it's cause debian > * |
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| 12:01.44 | ws2k33 | because debian is is pro |
| 12:01.49 | ws2k33 | and ubuntu sux :D |
| 12:02.08 | hirogen | ha ok |
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| 12:03.29 | pclov3r | Any suggestions on how to manually install the experimental nvidia drivers now. Nvidia cliams they majorly boost preofmrnace. |
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| 12:05.29 | jackbrown | hi there could anyone explain me this please ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2323535&postcount=13 |
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| 12:06.06 | jlu | hi, i have installed aiccu a service to use ipv6 over sixxs. i added it to startup with update-rc.d aiccu defaults. but it seems like ipv4 isn't working when the aiccu tries to enable the tunnel. is there a way to start aiccu a little bit later or if ipv4 runs correct? |
| 12:06.14 | themill | jackbrown: wrong channel? |
| 12:06.25 | Rienzilla | jlu hmm |
| 12:06.33 | jackbrown | themill: it's a general question about shell command |
| 12:06.36 | Rienzilla | aiccu should be started after networking is up |
| 12:06.52 | Rienzilla | I've seen it fail due toe the system time not being set correctly |
| 12:06.54 | themill | jackbrown: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. #debian is not for "general support". |
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| 12:07.08 | pclov3r | Would it be better to use the expermental package or install the nviida drivers manually? |
| 12:07.10 | jlu | Rienzilla: the system time is fine |
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| 12:07.30 | jlu | Rienzilla: it says it can't reach tic.sixxs.net |
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| 12:08.34 | jlu | it can't resolve the name. i think it is cause ipv4 isn't fully running at this time |
| 12:09.16 | basic6 | i inserted a usb drive and got a kernel bug message on all terminals. is there any reason to restart the system because it could now be instable somehow? |
| 12:10.48 | thewanderer1 | pclov3r, are you having performance problems with the NVIDIA driver? |
| 12:11.19 | thewanderer1 | basic6, what message in particular? |
| 12:11.30 | basic6 | http://paste.debian.net/220533/ |
| 12:12.02 | thewanderer1 | basic6, are you using btrfs? |
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| 12:12.22 | basic6 | part of that message went to all terminals |
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| 12:12.29 | basic6 | yes, btrfs is on the usb drive |
| 12:12.37 | thewanderer1 | well, that would be it... btrfs is unstable |
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| 12:12.55 | basic6 | i don't care if the usb drive is broken or gone, all i care about is the host system |
| 12:13.02 | thewanderer1 | I don't think a reboot is required, but further operation of all btrfs devices may be impossible without reboot |
| 12:13.41 | basic6 | is that because the btrfs kernel driver might have now gone beserk? |
| 12:13.45 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 12:14.34 | thewanderer1 | to be honest, running btrfs on 2.6.32 is a really bad idea... 3.2.0 is an absolute must if you're hoping for any reliability, 3.6 would be reasonably better |
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| 12:16.51 | basic6 | right, i normally don't use this system for anything, because it's so outdated. i won't use it btrfs anymore. |
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| 12:17.20 | basic6 | this usb drive is the only btrfs storage device connected to that computer, so i won't reboot |
| 12:17.36 | jlu | the sequence in which the service start is controlled through the numbers behind S i think. is a lower number started earlier or later? |
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| 12:18.24 | thewanderer1 | jlu, earlier. you should not manage it yourself - insserv is responsible for that. adjust dependencies in the LSB headers instead. |
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| 12:18.41 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:18.49 | jlu | thewanderer1: what are lsbheaders? |
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| 12:19.19 | thewanderer1 | jlu, see /etc/init.d/README |
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| 12:19.32 | jlu | thewanderer1: a update-rc.d aiccu defaults should work? |
| 12:20.10 | thewanderer1 | it should, yes... did something mess with your boot sequence? |
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| 12:22.00 | jlu | thewanderer1: i did nothing expect updated-rc.d aiccu defaults. but it can't establish the tunnel cause it can't resolve tic.sixxs.net. |
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| 12:23.12 | thewanderer1 | if you observe the boot sequence, does it try to start before networking is really up? |
| 12:23.45 | xand | hmm, I used to have that issue with NFS mounts |
| 12:23.47 | jlu | thewanderer1: one moment i will have a look |
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| 12:25.07 | thewanderer1 | xand, actually, NFS mounts are kind of broken in Wheezy, but that appears to be a network-manager problem ;P |
| 12:25.42 | xand | thewanderer1: I wouldn't use network-manager on a machine that automounted from the network :| |
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| 12:29.43 | jlu | thewanderer1: it looks like aiccu tries before the networkmanager is ready |
| 12:30.14 | jlu | thewanderer1: the time between is about 20 seconds. |
| 12:30.46 | thewanderer1 | network manager, oh dear |
| 12:31.04 | thewanderer1 | ok, what are aiccu's dependencies set to? |
| 12:31.26 | jlu | thewanderer1: should i remove it and configure it in /etc/network ? |
| 12:32.29 | thewanderer1 | jlu, if you are not using network-manager for anything, it is best to purge it |
| 12:32.58 | jlu | thewanderer1: # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $syslog $network $time $named |
| 12:33.48 | thewanderer1 | yeah, network-manager is just acting up... move away from it and to normal /etc/network/interfaces-based config and it should settle |
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| 12:35.34 | mvt007geek | how can i install a sourcefile: wine-1.4.1.tar.bz2 ? |
| 12:35.56 | thewanderer1 | !tell mvt007geek about uupdate |
| 12:36.35 | mvt007geek | i alwayes installed .deb packages.what is uupdate? |
| 12:36.40 | mvt007geek | will it work? |
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| 12:36.50 | jlu | thewanderer1: the line iface eth0 inet dhcp will work or need i to configure more |
| 12:37.07 | wols_ | _JKL1234-_: "auto eth0" helps |
| 12:37.30 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, just read what dpkg told you... or you could follow the usual steps. why do you need a newer Wine? |
| 12:37.30 | jlu | wols_: its included |
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| 12:38.02 | jlu | tring a reboot brb |
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| 12:39.01 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: i want run emu8086 |
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| 12:40.12 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, and you can not use i8086emu ? |
| 12:40.28 | thewanderer1 | (also, why can you not install wine from Debian packages?) |
| 12:41.27 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: what is it?is it a version for linux? |
| 12:41.32 | mvt007geek | :D |
| 12:42.09 | thewanderer1 | come on man, you can use Google |
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| 12:42.37 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: it's version is so old.debian is 1.1 butl ast stable version is 1.4 |
| 12:42.39 | jlu | thewanderer1: thanks it works fine now |
| 12:42.50 | jlu | wols_: thank you too |
| 12:43.07 | wols_ | ,versions wine |
| 12:43.09 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 12:43.28 | wols_ | mvt007geek: installing it from source will make it worse. |
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| 12:43.40 | wols_ | mvt007geek: use wheezy if you must for a desktop instead |
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| 12:43.54 | thewanderer1 | I think 1.1 is actually Wheezy |
| 12:44.08 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, it does not matter. old versions = stable versions. you only need a newer version if the old version refuses to work. |
| 12:44.32 | mvt007geek | i'm squeezy |
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| 12:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mvt007geek, hello, nice to meet you, squeezy |
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| 12:46.57 | mvt007geek | CutMeOwnThroat: me too :p |
| 12:47.44 | Infiltrator | wols_: Why recommend wheezy instead of sid? |
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| 12:47.54 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, ok, anyway, apt-get install wine; try running your software; if that fails, we'll look for other solutions... |
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| 12:48.28 | Infiltrator | mvt007geek: No; _I_ am Spartacus! |
| 12:49.04 | wols_ | Infiltrator: cause it's frozen. and sid still has lots of problems as always, and will get more when it stops being slushy. and with wheezy he will have a nice debian stable again in a few months. not so with sid |
| 12:49.09 | mvt007geek | ok man. ;) |
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| 12:49.52 | kaosu | The biggest reason to recommend using squeeze or wheezy over sid is because the first two are supported by the security team. |
| 12:50.07 | kaosu | Sid it just sort of a run at your own peril type situation. |
| 12:50.21 | kaosu | Not sure why so many don't think security support is important. |
| 12:50.57 | Infiltrator | wols_, kaosu: In that case, I've gotten my order confused again so nevermind. :) |
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| 12:52.04 | K|NgGh0sT | If I follow the dpkg commands for "fglrx dkms" I shouldn't be getting video tearing and colour issues should I? |
| 12:52.42 | DexterF | what's the name of the header package? |
| 12:52.56 | K|NgGh0sT | me? |
| 12:53.37 | DexterF | linux-headers, nvm |
| 12:53.44 | wols_ | kaosu: testing is supported now? |
| 12:55.08 | thewanderer1 | wols_, actually, http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing says it is supported |
| 12:55.42 | kaosu | Since testing has been frozen it has been getting regular updates to get it stable-ready. Usually they only partially support testing. |
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| 12:59.24 | themill | kaosu: wheezy is not yet getting timely security support. It's still a number of days for a fix to be uploaded to sid and then sit there for a while and then be migrated to wheezy. |
| 12:59.24 | kaosu | themill: Notice where I say "partially supported". |
| 12:59.24 | kaosu | I say that because of the exact reasons you have listed. |
| 12:59.24 | themill | kaosu: that's no more "partially supported" than it has ever been throughout the entire wheezy release cycle |
| 12:59.25 | themill | the freeze is pretty irrelevant to this |
| 13:00.11 | Infiltrator | Happy New Year everyone. |
| 13:00.13 | kaosu | I am basing my opinion based on recent vulnerability fixes. I have noticed it has been getting some a little faster. This can be due to many variables, though |
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| 13:00.49 | PerfDave | There's no chance in policy for security fixes in testing due to the freeze, though? |
| 13:00.55 | PerfDave | change, even |
| 13:01.00 | kaosu | But, if you do scroll back, you will see that I did make it a point to illustrate its "partially supported" state, due to the lag between fix and distribution compared to stable. |
| 13:01.44 | themill | kaosu: yeah, it's perhaps getting more attention now, but you'll find that sid gets the security update faster than wheezy. I'm in no way advocating that people would run sid for its security support, but your logic that wheezy is supported better than sid is wrong. |
| 13:02.23 | PerfDave | And the "security update" in wheezy is still a new version of the package which might introduce other changes, no? |
| 13:02.24 | themill | PerfDave: well, it's backported fixes only at this stage so it's a different method of fixing the code |
| 13:02.31 | PerfDave | Oh fair enough |
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| 13:03.46 | themill | PerfDave: some upstreams have a stable enough branch (e.g. postgres, linux 3.2) that the fix is actually a new upstream version too; some upstreams are on enough drugs (mysql) that you have to just accept a new upstream version for the fix. Mostly, it's backported fixes only. |
| 13:04.21 | PerfDave | I clearly don't know what I'm talking about and will shut up until I've had some coffee ;) |
| 13:04.31 | kaosu | themill: That sounds a bit odd the way you worded it. "It might be getting more [security] attention now" and then go on to say that "but your logic that wheezy is supported better than sid is wrong". |
| 13:04.35 | themill | !coffee PerfDave |
| 13:04.35 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Colombian for PerfDave, courtesy of themill |
| 13:04.57 | themill | kaosu: problems in wheezy are getting the attention; they are also problems in sid and are fixed first in sid. |
| 13:05.46 | kaosu | I would not doubt that since Sid is closer to upstream. I just found your choice of words a little odd, is all. |
| 13:05.54 | themill | kaosu: very little is fixed directly in testing |
| 13:06.15 | themill | kaosu: the difference between wheezy and sid is not large. sid is not really closer to upstream in any way |
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| 13:06.51 | kaosu | Why would you say they are not closer to upstream than stable? |
| 13:07.02 | kaosu | They have versions well beyond stable, by far. |
| 13:07.05 | themill | we're comparing wheezy and sid here? |
| 13:07.10 | kaosu | No |
| 13:07.19 | kaosu | Stable to wheezy and sid. |
| 13:07.26 | kaosu | Guess something got lost in translation. |
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| 13:07.46 | themill | we're talking about wheezy security support and whether this is provided in a timely fashion and whether that makes wheezy or sid better supported |
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| 13:09.25 | kaosu | http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ -- "Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security updates in a timely manner." |
| 13:09.44 | kaosu | http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing -- "If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are strongly encouraged to stay with stable. However, there is security support for testing: |
| 13:09.59 | kaosu | From the official documentation. |
| 13:10.04 | themill | yeah, so how about looking at how it's done rather than quoting that at me |
| 13:10.15 | themill | will contemplate fixing that documentation later |
| 13:10.38 | kaosu | I made the claim that squeeze and wheezy are supported by the security team. So, i claimed they would be better choices than Sid. |
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| 13:10.49 | kaosu | You claimed different. I have proof to back my opinion up. |
| 13:10.51 | themill | and that is not correct... |
| 13:10.57 | kaosu | It sounds like the burden of proof is on you. |
| 13:11.19 | kaosu | If you can show me official documentation, then I will happily agree. |
| 13:11.32 | themill | No, I think we should just move on now... we're going around in circles. You can either believe someone who knows what's going on, or we can move on. |
| 13:11.53 | themill | you might like to look at the debian-release mailing list for how things work in practice |
| 13:11.57 | kaosu | I choose to believe the official documentation over someone I have never met before - yes. |
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| 13:12.20 | themill | kaosu: the documentation is ambiguous at best, wrong at worst. Let's move on. |
| 13:12.30 | kaosu | I just find it odd that when I show something to back my opinion up and then ask you to do the same, you suddenly want to move on. |
| 13:12.32 | PerfDave | Yeah, like Debian documentation is ever "official" or correct :) |
| 13:13.15 | themill | kaosu: this was barely on-topic to begin with... I was just hoping to help you understand debian better when you're offering support to users in #debian. |
| 13:13.25 | kaosu | Well, if you do have more recent documentation from an official channel or source, I really do want to read it. It would be nice to read for my own personal enlightenment. |
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| 13:14.08 | themill | I have provided it to you just now. Read and be enlightened. |
| 13:14.33 | kaosu | I will do that. |
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| 13:15.58 | Infiltrator | themill: Can I get that too, please? |
| 13:16.38 | kaosu | He just said "debian mailing list". I guess he does not know any specific reference or archived posting. |
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| 13:17.12 | kaosu | Just that he has detailed knowledge of how the Debian security team operates. I am looking it up now, though. If I find anything, I guess I will share it with you. |
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| 13:17.16 | Infiltrator | kaosu: I'm guessing that he probably does but wants us to look for ourselves. :) |
| 13:17.29 | Infiltrator | kaosu: Thanks. |
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| 13:17.41 | themill | kaosu: I said "debian-release mailing list". |
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| 13:18.49 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: i installed wine and installed emu8086.but i don't know how use emu8086 after i closed it's window? |
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| 13:21.45 | mvt007geek | i installed wine and installed emu8086.but i don't know how use emu8086 after i closed emu8086 window?should i setup emu8086 every time i closed emu8086? |
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| 13:23.27 | cm13g09 | well that was special! |
| 13:23.30 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, if the program would normally create a shortcut in Windows menu, it should also have done so on Debian |
| 13:23.43 | thewanderer1 | look in your menu, there should be a "Wine" category with the program you've installed |
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| 13:30.27 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: oh there is nothing!! |
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| 13:31.36 | thewanderer1 | if there is nothing, why worry at all? ;) |
| 13:32.00 | thewanderer1 | seriously though, the program is probably somewhere under ~/.wine/drive_c/ - cd into there, find the program, and launch directly |
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| 13:36.58 | mvt007geek | thewanderer1: i know i'm very foo :/ but i cd into that address anf found emu8086 but what command should i use to launch it? i did : wine emu8086 also wine PROGRAM emu8086 but give me this error: |
| 13:36.58 | mvt007geek | wine: could not load L"C:\\windows\\system32\\PROGRAM.exe": Module not found |
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| 13:38.39 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, wine ./emu8086.exe |
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| 13:41.03 | abrotman | mvt007geek: thanks for reminding me to waste my day trying to get old games to run :) |
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| 13:43.34 | mvt007geek | http://pastebin.com/jUN2Z1sH |
| 13:44.19 | thewanderer1 | mvt007geek, first, get off root, now. second, you were supposed to actually find that binary... |
| 13:44.35 | thewanderer1 | (if it's not in drive_c, you need to go deeper) |
| 13:44.36 | K|NgGh0sT | I am having huge video tearing issues and images are appearing with colours messed up (Contrast or something) using the fglrx drivers. Going to Gnome 3 display properties it shows VESA:SUMO is that correct? glxgears seems to run fine too. |
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| 13:49.06 | abrotman | mvt007geek: please keep it in the channel, thank you |
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| 13:55.02 | Mattz0r | sudo someone make me a sandwhich :< |
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| 13:58.25 | Mac101 | Mattz0r, http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/25701/1198145-sand_witch2_super.jpg |
| 13:58.33 | Mac101 | :) |
| 13:58.52 | Mattz0r | Lol. |
| 13:58.56 | Mattz0r | :3 |
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| 14:23.42 | reizuki | can I select into which runlevel debian goes upon booting via kernel commandline? I know only that I can append "single" and this will start linux in runlevel 1 |
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| 14:23.57 | reizuki | but what if I wanted to start Debian in say, runlevel 4? |
| 14:24.25 | thewanderer1 | reizuki, it should be possible to just add a digit as a kernel parameter, say, "4", and expect that to work. I think I've seen that used somewhere. |
| 14:24.28 | rgammans | IIRC just put '4' at the end. |
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| 14:24.40 | reizuki | i'll try that, thanks |
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| 14:26.38 | rgammans | I'm having problems debug on things with pulseaudio, first it didn't play (silent and the media player said where stuck with the media position at 0sec.) now, it pthin k it playing a fatser rate (2min plays in 20secs) but it still silent. Going direct to alsa give me audio at the correct rate. |
| 14:26.52 | rgammans | Does anyone having any ideas of where to look ? |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | reizuki: 2-5 are the same in Debian |
| 14:28.25 | Infiltrator | abrotman: By default; but you can change it, right? |
| 14:28.33 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:28.44 | reizuki | the number thing worked |
| 14:28.56 | reizuki | abrotman: sure, but I want to customize them and give user selection in boot |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | okay |
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| 14:45.04 | Anaphaxeton | where does my .orig.tar.gz file exist to work with dh_make without -f ? |
| 14:45.18 | Anaphaxeton | i have it in the current dir and in ../ |
| 14:45.30 | Anaphaxeton | still it doesnt find it and the name is correct |
| 14:45.54 | ksuhku | does 6.0 use nv or nouveau by default? |
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| 14:46.31 | abrotman | probably depends on your device |
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| 14:53.15 | wolfmitchell | Is there a package on squeeze for g++ 4.5 ? |
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| 14:56.17 | abrotman | did you look on packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:56.40 | abrotman | but it doesn't look like it |
| 14:56.51 | wolfmitchell | hm |
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| 14:57.44 | wolfmitchell | would it be safe to install packages from wheezy repos? |
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| 15:02.33 | abrotman | gcc? probably not as easy as you would like it to be |
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| 15:16.20 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Happy New Year! |
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| 15:26.38 | ksuhku | Emmanuel_Chanel, happy GNU year to you too! |
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| 15:44.32 | matlock | need info on media servers and how to set one up with optimal settings for use with wifi |
| 15:44.35 | matlock | if it's possible |
| 15:44.42 | matlock | looking to stream video. |
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| 16:10.58 | nkuttler | ,v telnet |
| 16:10.59 | judd | Package: telnet on i386 -- lenny: 0.17-36; sid: 0.17-36; squeeze: 0.17-36; wheezy: 0.17-36 |
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| 16:12.46 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: that's awesome. same version from lenny all the way to sid. i doubt there are many packages like that. |
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| 16:13.43 | nkuttler | zykotick9: yet there are quite a few |
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| 16:15.56 | zutme | LVM question. I was doing a pvmove and it failed because the pv it was copying to was bad. I removed the bad pv, but now I have the error /dev/dm-2: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error when I try to do a pvmove --abort. Any ideas? |
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| 16:17.43 | lucho | Hi all! |
| 16:19.04 | jelly-home | zutme: try the #lvm channel as well |
| 16:19.05 | nkuttler | zutme: more than one drive is bad |
| 16:19.47 | zutme | LVM channel seems to be asleep |
| 16:19.54 | zutme | nkuttler, I was afraid of that |
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| 16:21.16 | nkuttler | i once had two drives die within two weeks. senior admin disabled the logcheck warnings for the first because they were only "hiccups".. |
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| 16:24.35 | themill | zykotick9, nkuttler: 1463 packages, in fact http://paste.debian.net/220588/ |
| 16:25.32 | zutme | See what's weird is I can still mount both of my LVs from a live cd, just need to fix the lvm. |
| 16:27.35 | nkuttler | zutme: time to make backups if you haven't yet |
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| 16:28.22 | zutme | nkuttler, yeah that seems like probably my best bet is to back up and start over |
| 16:29.04 | nkuttler | themill: fwiw, that looks incomplete |
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| 16:29.30 | themill | nkuttler: I may well have screwed up my sql there... I didn't think about it very carefully. |
| 16:29.34 | nkuttler | wmbiff for example is missing, and i'd guess that's not the only one |
| 16:29.53 | themill | wmbiff is different between lenny and sid |
| 16:29.58 | nkuttler | oh? |
| 16:30.02 | themill | v wmbiff |
| 16:30.07 | themill | , v wmbiff |
| 16:30.08 | judd | Package: wmbiff on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.27-2+b2; sid: 0.4.27-2.1; squeeze: 0.4.27-2.1; wheezy: 0.4.27-2.1 |
| 16:30.15 | nkuttler | oh lenny |
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| 16:33.14 | themill | nkuttler: 4638 rows for sid==squeeze (and too long to pastebin...) |
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| 16:34.19 | nearst | happy new year |
| 16:34.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:34.57 | themill | grrr... why are the history formats of libreadline and libedit different |
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| 16:40.22 | zykotick9 | themill: wow. that is "quite a few" as nkuttler suggested. thanks for the info. |
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| 16:51.34 | jhutchins_wk | zutme: Are you running smartmontools? |
| 16:52.20 | zutme | jhutchins_wk, trying a western digital diagnostic right now |
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| 17:23.59 | bluesm | Are anybody using f.lux ? |
| 17:24.11 | bluesm | on multiple monitors ? |
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| 17:31.37 | ksuhku | bluesm, try redshift |
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| 17:38.28 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.48 | VastOne | Query - When dd'ing one drive to another, change fstab uuid on new device and run update-grub, what else could affect /root as the original uuid /root and not the new device? |
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| 17:41.45 | VastOne | better said, when booting to the new device, I am still /root on the old uuid where the dd was copied from |
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| 17:44.23 | mischief | VastOne: update initrd |
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| 17:44.43 | zykotick9 | VastOne: did you change the UUID on the target? |
| 17:44.48 | VastOne | Yes |
| 17:45.08 | jklaz | generate grub.cfg |
| 17:45.13 | VastOne | and it boots from grub2 that shows the correct uuid |
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| 17:45.44 | VastOne | but once booted, the file system is the original uuid device |
| 17:45.54 | zykotick9 | VastOne: did you update fstab as well? |
| 17:45.58 | mischief | VastOne: so you updated grub and your kernel initrd and your fstab |
| 17:46.00 | VastOne | Yes |
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| 17:47.01 | VastOne | I will verify with update initrd |
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| 17:47.53 | VastOne | Just for clarity, why would update initrd be an additional step in this process? |
| 17:48.13 | mischief | do you know the purpose of initrd |
| 17:48.19 | VastOne | Yes |
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| 17:48.54 | mischief | can't think right now, alcohol disable my brain |
| 17:49.01 | mischief | but the disk uuid probably stored in it somewhere |
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| 17:49.47 | VastOne | Thanks... I will run the update and check back if it does not compute |
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| 17:55.44 | ag4ve | what's the meta package or term to install build tools? |
| 17:56.07 | peterrooney | thinks UUID is a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist |
| 17:56.19 | Arrowmaster | ag4ve: build-essential |
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| 17:56.46 | peterrooney | ag4ve: build-essential ? |
| 17:57.15 | ag4ve | oh, guess that's it. thanks |
| 17:57.28 | ag4ve | thought it was something like "Development Tools" or some such |
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| 18:07.10 | sudoman | how do i change the font size of the non-antialiased fonts in xscreensaver and nethack-x11? in ubuntu/trisquel, the font sizes are smaller. i don't know the X libs, but i did some greps through the nethack source code and couldn't figure out how to make the font size smaller in the code base itself. |
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| 18:12.02 | ag4ve | what's the command to allow connections to the xserver from elsewhere? xomething like xserver +:0 or some such? |
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| 18:14.29 | abrotman | no |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | !tell ag4ve about mit magic cookie |
| 18:14.41 | abrotman | dpkg: hi? |
| 18:14.49 | abrotman | dselect: tell ag4ve about mit magic cookie |
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| 18:24.35 | edju | using gparted, I formatted a partition w/ fat32. However, df shows vfat. Which is correct? I don't know much about Windows stuff, but it seems they're not the same. |
| 18:24.48 | sney | vfat and fat32 are the same. |
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| 18:25.55 | edju | sney, That's too bad. |
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| 18:46.15 | chovy | when i do useradd <username> it doesn't promopt me for password |
| 18:46.52 | zykotick9 | chovy: try "adduser <username>" |
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| 18:49.10 | chovy | zykotick9: thanks. Can I add them to sudo when i use that command? |
| 18:49.30 | antiwire | Hey dudes, I just got more RAM for one of my systems and I'm prepping to do a clean install of Debian in 64bit. Does Adobe flash work on the 64bit branch? |
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| 18:50.02 | zykotick9 | chovy: not sure, just add the users to the sudo group... somehow. i don't use sudo myself. |
| 18:50.09 | chovy | k |
| 18:50.40 | zykotick9 | antiwire: it works. some might say "not well". flash must die! |
| 18:50.56 | terron | I'm trying to get frames from a video using avconv (replaced the deprecated ffmpeg) but I get a ton of error messages and I'm not sure what they mean. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=nWf9fAzV How can I fix this? Thanks |
| 18:51.09 | antiwire | zykotick9: haha nice |
| 18:52.02 | antiwire | zykotick9: I'm along with that sentiment, too. At this point, it's a necessary evil for me. bleh |
| 18:52.31 | zykotick9 | antiwire: i hear ya :) enjoy 64bit (i do). |
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| 18:55.11 | homecable1 | any one play steam on debian |
| 18:55.29 | sney | !steam |
| 18:55.30 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with experimental (Ubuntu) Linux support and is not supported in #debian (but in #steamlug on <freenode>). That said, it may (or not) work in a multiarched version of Debian (Wheezy or later) with some dependencies satisfied from experimental for the time being. |
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| 19:13.35 | xulf | Hello |
| 19:14.08 | jelly-home | antiwire: flash still works better in 32bit |
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| 19:24.07 | fnordism | hail eris |
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| 19:28.04 | JoeHazzers | before i reinstalled this system (drive failed, no backup), the console would have native resolution on the monitor, and the monitor output would be deactivated after a certain amount of time. what provides this functionality. bear in mind that no X server ever ran on this machine. |
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| 19:32.53 | nkuttler | JoeHazzers: apm? acpi? dpms? |
| 19:33.28 | JoeHazzers | i have *no* idea, but i'll give it a shot. |
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| 19:37.47 | abrotman | would hope not apm |
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| 19:53.44 | ag4ve | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:54.06 | ag4ve | btw, both of those commands worked equally well :) |
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| 20:01.20 | koko_ | hello i have a New IPad |
| 20:01.30 | koko_ | how can i use with debian wheezy |
| 20:02.10 | ag4ve | /proc/bus/input/devices shows i have a synaptics mouse but xinputs says it's a regular ps/2 mouse. how do i fix this? |
| 20:04.01 | BenNZ | ag4ve: try installing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 20:05.23 | ag4ve | doh, good point. i forgot what distro i was on - synaptics shows up on debian and the other box is gentoo. apt-file and trace it down. thanks |
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| 20:06.01 | ag4ve | both laptops are black, how am i supposed to know the difference :) |
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| 20:10.03 | koko_ | how can i use with debian wheezy |
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| 20:11.40 | antiwire | koko_: good luck 'using' an iPad with any linux distro |
| 20:13.17 | xsappyx | koko_: there are ssh clients you can install |
| 20:13.49 | koko_ | lol |
| 20:13.51 | antiwire | I'm assuming he is seeking a method of updating/syncing/adding music |
| 20:13.52 | antiwire | ... |
| 20:14.04 | antiwire | and I say good luck sir |
| 20:15.34 | bennypr0fane | hello, I have a problem with /etc/fstab. I edit the fstab file, adding a data partition, and save (then it looks like this: http://pastie.org/5603357 see blkid attached), which of course requires admin privileges. When opening/editing/saving fstab, I get this output: http://pastie.org/5603344 When I try to access that partition, after the edit, I get this error: "Mounting not possible. Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: |
| 20:15.36 | bennypr0fane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.38 | bennypr0fane | mount: only root can mount /dev/sda2 on /media/LinuxData" |
| 20:16.17 | koko_ | but why you dont like Apple ? |
| 20:16.25 | antiwire | koko_: who said that? |
| 20:16.32 | bennypr0fane | the partition I am trying to mount is this: /dev/sda2: LABEL="LinuxData" UUID="86239bc9-8bfe-4d3a-8c9a-4885cd2bdb61" TYPE="ext4" |
| 20:16.42 | antiwire | koko_: you just created that. no one said that. |
| 20:17.08 | antiwire | Not a single person said anything about Apple. |
| 20:17.27 | koko_ | ok thank |
| 20:17.28 | bennypr0fane | koko_ people who like OpenSource Software sometimes dislike Apple because they stand for the opposites of OSS |
| 20:17.34 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: you need to add the "user" option for /dev/sda2 to be mountable by a normal user |
| 20:17.39 | koko_ | i am going to found solution |
| 20:17.49 | koko_ | see you and thakns so much |
| 20:17.52 | antiwire | bennypr0fane: no one said anything about liking or disliking Apple though. he is a troll. |
| 20:18.31 | bennypr0fane | antiwire I know no one said that - I just said "sometimes"... |
| 20:18.53 | bennypr0fane | wols_ where do I need the user option |
| 20:19.21 | JoeHazzers | what option do i need to set in the preseed file to stop it from bugging me about the "[!] Configure the keyboard"? d-i keymap is set. |
| 20:19.30 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: line 12 |
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| 20:21.12 | bennypr0fane | also, why do I need it? I'm not mounting as user, but permanently, which is why I'm putting it in fstab - and that is where I need to be root. I mean the partition should be mounted by fstab at startup, not only when I'm trying to access during the session |
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| 20:24.36 | bennypr0fane | it seems illogical to me, because the other partitions aren't mounted with the user option either. But of course that's not necessary, because they're permanently mounted in fstab |
| 20:25.28 | bennypr0fane | Is it possible this might have sonething to do with the gedit error msgs in terminal? |
| 20:26.19 | zykotick9 | on wheezy with mplayer is there some way to get mplay<TAB> to complete with a space [the mplayer1 is preventing this]? "$ mplayerFILENAMEHERE" is happening to me too often (even with the beep warning) |
| 20:26.56 | bennypr0fane | wols_ not being impatient, just want to ask whether you saw my replies |
| 20:27.14 | tharkun | bennypr0fane: man fstab|less +/user |
| 20:27.40 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: no. and I didn't really see an error either |
| 20:28.07 | bennypr0fane | wols_ no to what? |
| 20:28.25 | wols_ | no to gedit error |
| 20:28.55 | bennypr0fane | well they're actually warnings, not errors |
| 20:29.25 | JoeHazzers | is anyone familiar with which option i need to specify in my preseed file to bypass *this* screen? http://i.imgur.com/0R1Ow.png |
| 20:29.42 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: why do you make your fstab that complicated? |
| 20:30.07 | bennypr0fane | How is this complicated? |
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| 20:30.39 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: sda2 is a fixed internal disk? |
| 20:30.47 | bennypr0fane | I copied this line 12 from my fstab in Lubuntu running on this same machine, it works there. The partition is mounted at startup |
| 20:30.55 | bennypr0fane | sda2 is my data partition |
| 20:31.10 | bennypr0fane | there are 6 partitions on the disk, see blkid |
| 20:31.28 | wols_ | then you did it way way overcomplicated. /dev/sda2 /data .... and you're done |
| 20:31.34 | JoeHazzers | what on earth is going on in that fstab |
| 20:32.14 | bennypr0fane | I wanted to mount it /w LABEL bcs then it'll stay the same even if I makes changes to the drives |
| 20:32.25 | bennypr0fane | or UUID |
| 20:32.34 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: then use UUID instead of /dev/sda2 |
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| 20:32.44 | wols_ | bennypr0fane: right now, your fstab is a really bad mess |
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| 20:33.35 | bennypr0fane | wols_ I tried with UUID first, it was the same |
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| 20:34.02 | bennypr0fane | and I don't really care if it's a mess, I just want it to work |
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| 20:34.58 | xingu | bennypr0fane: what triggers the error you see? a simple cd /media/LinuxData ? |
| 20:35.07 | bennypr0fane | wols_ also I don't understand why you think it's so messy, I only added the one line, the rest was like this after install |
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| 20:35.39 | bennypr0fane | xingu when I click on the partition in file manager, I get that error |
| 20:36.06 | bennypr0fane | btw is it necessary to reboot before changes to fstab take effect? |
| 20:36.09 | xingu | bennypr0fane: ok; let's rule out desktop manager issues, and try from a CLI? |
| 20:36.14 | bennypr0fane | ok |
| 20:36.27 | bennypr0fane | cd-ing to that dir works |
| 20:36.30 | xingu | bennypr0fane: and yes, that's sort of the point; alternatively you can just mount that one filesystem with something like sudo mount /media/LinuxData |
| 20:37.05 | xingu | bennypr0fane: assuming fstab is sane (yours is), giving mount the target mountpoint will dtrt. |
| 20:37.15 | bennypr0fane | ok, I thouight so, just making sure |
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| 20:37.38 | xingu | bennypr0fane: so cd back up a level (cwd=/media), then try the sudo mount ... |
| 20:37.39 | bennypr0fane | what is dtrt? |
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| 20:37.43 | xingu | bennypr0fane: do the right thing |
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| 20:40.12 | bennypr0fane | btw whithout that line in fstab, I'm just asked for my pwd when clicking /media/Linuxdata in the filemanger and it gets mounted. With that line, no pwd prompt, just the error |
| 20:40.27 | bennypr0fane | xingu, what is cwd=/media ? |
| 20:40.32 | bennypr0fane | cwe |
| 20:40.35 | bennypr0fane | *cwd |
| 20:41.03 | xingu | bennypr0fane: current working directory; if a process is sitting on /media/LinuxData directory, and you try and mount a file system over the directory, I suspect you'll get an error of some description |
| 20:41.54 | bennypr0fane | with mount, I nedd to secify the device first or 2nd? |
| 20:42.04 | xingu | bennypr0fane: neither, if it has a fstab entry |
| 20:42.15 | xingu | bennypr0fane: just use mount /media/LinuxData |
| 20:42.24 | bennypr0fane | ~$ sudo mount /media/Linuxdata |
| 20:42.26 | bennypr0fane | [sudo] password for ben: |
| 20:42.28 | bennypr0fane | mount: can't find /media/Linuxdata in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 20:43.01 | xingu | bennypr0fane: ok my guess is there's some whitespace or similar in your fstab that's messing with things. |
| 20:43.28 | xingu | bennypr0fane: aah |
| 20:43.39 | xingu | ben1066: typo - needs to be LinuxData, not Linuxdata |
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| 20:43.51 | xingu | s/ben1066/bennypr0fane/ |
| 20:44.17 | ben1066 | :) |
| 20:44.30 | xingu | bennypr0fane: regarding your other question, there's two unrelated concepts here; clicking on things in gnome is not the same as mount/fstab. |
| 20:44.38 | bennypr0fane | xingu but it is LinuxData |
| 20:44.54 | xingu | bennypr0fane: your error message above says "can't find /media/Linuxdata@ |
| 20:45.26 | bennypr0fane | well If I click on a dev that's not mounted in fm, it'll try to mount it |
| 20:45.33 | bennypr0fane | oh, that |
| 20:45.53 | bennypr0fane | ~$ sudo mount /media/LinuxData |
| 20:45.55 | bennypr0fane | mount: mount point /media/LinuxData does not exist |
| 20:45.58 | bennypr0fane | ben@Ignaz-Debwh:~$ |
| 20:46.12 | xingu | bennypr0fane: it'll try to mount it but it'll do so as your user id firstly and secondly it'll do it more than likely through hal or similar nest of helpers. |
| 20:46.22 | xingu | bennypr0fane: ok; so you need to mkdir /media/LinuxData |
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| 20:47.52 | xingu | bennypr0fane: regardless of the "how", the takeaway is that what your desktop is doing is not the same as what mount does hence will have different results |
| 20:47.58 | bennypr0fane | dammit, typo again. I had already created /media/Linuxdata |
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| 20:48.44 | xingu | bennypr0fane: desktop helpers tend to be oriented around hotplug filesystems, and running things as euid != 0 |
| 20:48.59 | bennypr0fane | xingu I get it, I believe. trying to access the partition in fm or elseweher is just the event that triggers the problem |
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| 20:49.04 | xingu | bennypr0fane: mount/fstab tends to be oriented around getings things mounted at boot |
| 20:49.06 | xingu | bennypr0fane: exactly. |
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| 20:49.23 | bennypr0fane | sudo mount worked |
| 20:49.33 | xingu | bennypr0fane: cool; I'd expect this to persist at reboot. |
| 20:49.37 | bennypr0fane | but still not where I want to be |
| 20:49.49 | xingu | bennypr0fane: what's missing? |
| 20:50.12 | bennypr0fane | what you said. permanently mounted |
| 20:50.21 | xingu | bennypr0fane: this should remount at boot |
| 20:50.38 | xingu | bennypr0fane: it won't unmount unless you unmount (or hotplug eject it) |
| 20:50.42 | bennypr0fane | bcs I mounted it now from terminal? |
| 20:50.59 | bennypr0fane | or because I created that dir now |
| 20:51.04 | bennypr0fane | ? |
| 20:51.05 | xingu | bennypr0fane: no; because the fstab, the block device, and the mountpoint line up and specify mount at boot |
| 20:51.10 | xingu | bennypr0fane: the latter, essentially |
| 20:51.44 | bennypr0fane | I think the dir missing was what caused the error. everything else was already in place |
| 20:52.04 | xingu | bennypr0fane: yep; you nimbly sidestepped another possible error (filesystem label not matching LABEL=) |
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| 20:52.40 | bennypr0fane | you think I should go UUID instead of LABEL? |
| 20:52.50 | xingu | bennypr0fane: the only value I really added here was asking you to simulate what happens at boot, via cli/ sudo mount ... |
| 20:52.57 | xingu | bennypr0fane: I prefer LABEL myself. :) |
| 20:53.40 | xingu | bennypr0fane: just for your into, I tend to go LABEL= on top of lv(m) device name |
| 20:53.42 | bennypr0fane | I see. I've been advised so before, but some other people say what the f** are you doing with that LABEL and such |
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| 20:54.10 | bennypr0fane | what, LABEL *plus* dev name? |
| 20:54.19 | bennypr0fane | doesn't that mess up the syntax? |
| 20:54.23 | xingu | bennypr0fane: I hate UUID schemes with equal fervour, it's just that I realise Cerf's comment about thinking locally and acting globally might apply. |
| 20:54.35 | xingu | bennypr0fane: either/or; either LABEL= or UUID= in fstab |
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| 20:55.16 | bennypr0fane | but you said you have LABEL AND device name in fstab, yes? |
| 20:55.39 | xingu | bennypr0fane: my LABEL's point to filesystems that ride on top of lvm volumes |
| 20:55.54 | xingu | bennypr0fane: fstab never sees the block device name, only the filesystem label |
| 20:56.21 | bennypr0fane | oh, another thing-of-which-I don't-know-what-it-is (lvm volumes) :-) |
| 20:56.27 | xingu | bennypr0fane: UUID's are a serious PITA to reconstruct if they get blown away |
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| 20:57.07 | bennypr0fane | I like about LABELs, yoiu have the power to keep'em nice and short, just looks mor cleanly |
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| 20:57.34 | bennypr0fane | so I'm gonna try what happens after reboot now, brb |
| 20:57.46 | xingu | bennypr0fane: if you think more deeply about what you like about them you'll realise that what you like is that they're an _assigned_ property rather than a discovered property. |
| 20:58.13 | bennypr0fane | you're right, I guess |
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| 21:01.47 | confusid | Does Debian squeeze use or have pf tables? Or is there something else to use instead? |
| 21:03.06 | xingu | confusid: ipset, possibly. |
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| 21:03.19 | confusid | xingu: ty |
| 21:03.27 | bennypr0fane | xingu woohoo, it worked! LinuxData is mounted at boot. I just forgot this one workstep to make the dir. I always mess up something trying to mount that partition, at each install of Linux. Either one day I'll remember everything that's necessary, or one day I'll finally settle for a distro |
| 21:03.27 | xsappyx | confusid: guessing you mean the openbsd packet filter? check out ufw, it is a front end to iptables that has a vaguely pf-like syntax |
| 21:03.56 | confusid | xsappyx: yes was looking for something close to openbsd packet filter |
| 21:03.57 | sney | confusid, debian kfreebsd has pf. |
| 21:04.03 | sney | I think. |
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| 21:04.51 | bennypr0fane | thank you xingu, and HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone, If it's already there where you are (I actually have 2 hours of 2012 left here) |
| 21:04.58 | xingu | de nada, and likewise |
| 21:05.14 | xingu | confusid: there's something else lurking in a neuron I didn't drink away yet, currently digging for it |
| 21:05.14 | confusid | bennypr0fane: 8 hours roughly left here :) |
| 21:05.23 | confusid | :) |
| 21:05.40 | bennypr0fane | does that mean you're further west or east than me? |
| 21:05.46 | bennypr0fane | west, right? |
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| 21:06.09 | confusid | I'm eastern us |
| 21:06.12 | confusid | in* |
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| 21:06.43 | bennypr0fane | so across-the-atlantic furhter west |
| 21:07.20 | xingu | confusid: no, it was ipset; what I half remembered was the merge with mainline going through (and more specifically the bumping in Kconfig) |
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| 21:08.36 | bennypr0fane | drinking away some more neurons, it's time I got started. Resolved to start the new year with fewer of them, hoping it'll make things easier to process (less information to work on, right?). Bye, guys! |
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| 21:09.31 | ratcheer | bennypr0fane: I just started, myself |
| 21:09.40 | ottermaton | having trouble getting wheezy running. install goes fine but it just goes to a blank screen and I can't get to any ttys |
| 21:10.05 | sney | ottermaton, what video hardware? |
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| 21:10.10 | ottermaton | the last message I see on the screen is something about 'pcspkr' which I really doubt has anything to do with it |
| 21:10.46 | ottermaton | sney, mark@lifebook:~$ lspci | grep Display |
| 21:10.47 | ottermaton | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 03) |
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| 21:10.53 | ottermaton | pretty generic stuff |
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| 21:11.02 | sney | hmm. try booting with 'nomodeset' |
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| 21:11.42 | bennypr0fane | oh hey, ottermaton, talk about getting started with drinking! :-) |
| 21:12.01 | bennypr0fane | ottermaton being unfaithful to Bodhi, are you? |
| 21:12.19 | ottermaton | i yam bennypr0fane ;-) |
| 21:12.46 | ottermaton | and why oh why do you associate _me_ with drinking? hahaha |
| 21:12.51 | bennypr0fane | well me 2. Gnome3 has me hooked, I have to admit |
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| 21:13.35 | bennypr0fane | ottermaton I guess mainly bcs I associate the Bodhi channel with drinking. |
| 21:13.38 | ratcheer | Really? It is too sluggish for me. |
| 21:13.49 | ottermaton | hahahaha |
| 21:13.58 | confusid | xingu: ty |
| 21:14.22 | xingu | np |
| 21:14.22 | bennypr0fane | ratcheer: Gnome3 too sluggish 4 you? |
| 21:14.37 | ratcheer | Yes. I switched to LXDE. |
| 21:14.48 | bennypr0fane | it probably would be on my old machine, too. |
| 21:15.01 | ratcheer | But, it may have been the distro I was running Gnome 3 on. |
| 21:15.05 | ottermaton | sney, I'm gonna give that nomodeset a whirl...gotta reboot though |
| 21:15.07 | ottermaton | thanks |
| 21:15.13 | ottermaton | will let you know either way |
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| 21:15.20 | ratcheer | No, I have a very high powered machine. |
| 21:15.55 | ratcheer | But anyway, LXDE on Debian sid is fast like lightning. |
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| 21:16.09 | sney | gnome3 is pretty quick unless direct rendering is disabled or disk i/o is bottlenecked somehow |
| 21:16.19 | sney | even on my fairly old centrino duo laptop I have no complaints |
| 21:16.31 | bennypr0fane | LXDE is awesome bcs it always works, never lags, never any issues operating it, and some really useful little utils. But it's just not nice to look at |
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| 21:16.41 | sney | but it is... odd looking. I switched to cinnamon on both of my machines once it hit sid |
| 21:17.24 | bennypr0fane | still the lightest DE is Enlightenment |
| 21:17.34 | Artemis3 | who needs those when there is e17 :) |
| 21:17.36 | sney | cinnamon is very nice and gnome integrated. I wouldn't be surprised if it became the default for debian 8 |
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| 21:18.00 | bennypr0fane | except LXDE is mature, unlike e17 |
| 21:18.07 | xingu | Artemis3: e17 the postcode, or e17 the boy band? :) |
| 21:18.09 | sney | I liked e17 last time I used it but isn't its future in question? those bus factor 1 projects make me nervous |
| 21:18.16 | Artemis3 | give it a year |
| 21:18.25 | bennypr0fane | xingu the food addition |
| 21:18.56 | xingu | hah |
| 21:18.58 | bennypr0fane | sney they're using EFL on the the new Samsung mobile OS, Tizen |
| 21:19.38 | bennypr0fane | so I'd be guessing e17 is very much in development |
| 21:19.41 | abrotman | sney: it released, what future is left? :) |
| 21:19.52 | Artemis3 | bug fixes |
| 21:19.56 | Towzzer | hi folks |
| 21:20.12 | bennypr0fane | abrotman. e17? Released? |
| 21:20.24 | bennypr0fane | Hi Towzzer |
| 21:20.24 | benc1213 | What do you think is going to be the default DE for wheezy? |
| 21:20.29 | Artemis3 | e17 is small and fast, and gorgeous looking. |
| 21:20.44 | Artemis3 | yeah e17 released on Dec 21 |
| 21:20.46 | xingu | it's alright, it's really alright? |
| 21:21.02 | sney | benc1213, that's already decided. it's gnome3. but that "default" is easily changeable before you install, so |
| 21:21.05 | bennypr0fane | but is it RELEASED, as in STABLE, 1.0? |
| 21:21.28 | abrotman | as in 17 ? |
| 21:21.36 | abrotman | well, 0.17 i suppose |
| 21:21.48 | Artemis3 | after 12 years of development, it released as stable. |
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| 21:22.40 | Artemis3 | some developers use weird version numbers... |
| 21:22.43 | bennypr0fane | Artemis3 omg I didn't catch that. Incredible |
| 21:22.44 | abrotman | i guess they're calling it 17.0 even though, IIRC, the last 'stable' version was 0.16 |
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| 21:23.04 | abrotman | Stable release E17 0.17.0 .. eh, guess not |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | i just can't read |
| 21:23.15 | bennypr0fane | E17 Release: ZERO |
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| 21:23.18 | Artemis3 | http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 21:23.27 | bennypr0fane | just reading there... |
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| 21:23.58 | bennypr0fane | I think version numbers below zero are weird. can aynone explain what they're for? |
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| 21:24.09 | Artemis3 | debian experimental package is on the way, not sure if its done and uploaded yet |
| 21:24.28 | bennypr0fane | some people start with one, some with zero, why is that? |
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| 21:24.33 | abrotman | bennypr0fane: beta-ish versions |
| 21:24.54 | bennypr0fane | Artemis3 experimental e17-package for Debian? |
| 21:25.19 | Artemis3 | i have seen alphaish versions of some apps with much higher numbers, so its not really a gold rule |
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| 21:25.39 | abrotman | no kidding .. version numbers are arbitrary |
| 21:25.45 | bennypr0fane | exactly |
| 21:25.58 | Artemis3 | previous stable was 0.16, 12 years ago... |
| 21:26.04 | abrotman | didn't i say that? |
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| 21:26.23 | ratcheer | Yes. Yes you did. |
| 21:26.47 | bennypr0fane | but if you're going to go with below 1 numbers for beta, stable release should make it 1.0, right? |
| 21:26.53 | maxxe | please backport vim 7.3 to squeeze :) |
| 21:26.57 | benc1213 | What do most people run around here? Stable, Testing, Unstable, etc. |
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| 21:27.08 | Artemis3 | wheezy |
| 21:27.17 | ratcheer | benc1213: sid |
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| 21:27.21 | bennypr0fane | runs Testing |
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| 21:27.30 | maxxe | i always run stable |
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| 21:27.40 | sney | on my personal machines, I run testing, except for the first 4-6 months after a release, when I run stable. |
| 21:27.48 | sney | on machines I deploy for other people, stable only. |
| 21:27.53 | Artemis3 | yeah bennypr0fane the package maintainer said the other day it was working with the release version |
| 21:27.54 | abrotman | bennypr0fane: depends on the system in question |
| 21:28.12 | abrotman | maxxe: not likely to happen now, wheezy is getting closer to release |
| 21:28.23 | maxxe | abrotman: true. i long for it :) |
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| 21:28.30 | abrotman | maxxe: you could try to backport it yourself |
| 21:29.02 | bennypr0fane | It'd be cool to have a Debian release with E17, I'd give it a try |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | bennypr0fane: you can try grab the elive liveCD if you just want to try it |
| 21:30.19 | maxxe | abrotman: i will just wait for wheezy, it's not that important |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | maxxe: probably not |
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| 21:31.07 | bennypr0fane | abrotman what's elive? |
| 21:31.44 | benc1213 | http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 21:32.01 | abrotman | bennypr0fane: have you heard of google? |
| 21:32.04 | benc1213 | It's debian with e17 |
| 21:32.24 | abrotman | let him fish himself ... |
| 21:32.29 | Artemis3 | it doesnt appear to have updated to the release version |
| 21:32.42 | abrotman | it's close enough |
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| 21:33.43 | Artemis3 | if you are going to try a live cd you might as well go with bodhi (this week will release 2.2 with the e17 release) |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | wow, yellowdog is still a thing .. |
| 21:34.26 | abrotman | eh, guess not, the website is MIA |
| 21:34.45 | benc1213 | bodhi is based off of ubuntu, right? |
| 21:34.58 | Artemis3 | i believe they are working to use debian as base |
| 21:35.10 | abrotman | use google, ask them ... |
| 21:35.13 | Artemis3 | couple of e17 devs in there... |
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| 21:35.38 | Artemis3 | abrotman, there is a #bodhilinux |
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| 21:35.43 | abrotman | right, go ask them |
| 21:35.46 | abrotman | this is #debian |
| 21:36.09 | Artemis3 | sparta? |
| 21:36.11 | Artemis3 | :) |
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| 21:37.20 | iToast | I just wasted |
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| 21:37.24 | iToast | TWO FUCKING HOURS |
| 21:37.24 | ManoftheSea | waves annoyingly at abrotman. |
| 21:37.28 | iToast | On bad debian ISO's |
| 21:37.50 | Artemis3 | iToast, tried the netinstaller? |
| 21:38.00 | Artemis3 | its small ;) |
| 21:38.06 | iToast | Artemis3, Didn't even want to boot. |
| 21:38.22 | iToast | Debian just refused to download packages needed |
| 21:38.23 | abrotman | iToast: which ISO are you trying? |
| 21:38.24 | Artemis3 | do you have a small thumbdrive? all you need to do is dd the image to it |
| 21:38.35 | iToast | my main box isn't debian |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | and how did you prepare the usb drive? |
| 21:38.39 | iToast | or linux |
| 21:38.55 | iToast | Unetbootin on windwos |
| 21:39.00 | iToast | I'm tring with the smallcd |
| 21:39.03 | Artemis3 | oh |
| 21:39.07 | Artemis3 | doesn't boot? |
| 21:39.09 | abrotman | unetbootin almost never works |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:39.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:39.24 | iToast | Don't need !enter. |
| 21:39.25 | Artemis3 | lol indeed, i used dd for windows (it does exist) once |
| 21:39.38 | iToast | I use Unetbootin as it usually works |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | iToast: use the netinst, and then grab the Ubuntu tool to create the usb drive .. unetbootin is a pile of crap |
| 21:40.17 | Artemis3 | and it that fails go with dd :3 |
| 21:40.30 | ManoftheSea | checks: In #debian: "Grab the Ubuntu tool"... |
| 21:40.37 | Artemis3 | hahaha |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: yeah, no idea why Debian doesn't have its own tool for that |
| 21:40.53 | ManoftheSea | you mean unetbootin? |
| 21:41.02 | abrotman | no, that's a broken pile of shit |
| 21:41.18 | Artemis3 | i have seen machines where both unetbootin and said tool did make a bootable thumbdrive, but dd did... |
| 21:41.24 | Artemis3 | didn't |
| 21:42.11 | iToast | Artemis3, http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
| 21:42.18 | iToast | Love how they show two mac book pro's |
| 21:42.24 | iToast | one with ubuntu, the other with 7 |
| 21:42.26 | Artemis3 | you can try that if you like |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | realizes that iToast doesn't want help .. |
| 21:42.32 | iToast | Artemis3, I am. |
| 21:42.36 | iToast | It works usually |
| 21:42.37 | ManoftheSea | So... I should google for "ubuntu liveUSB tool"? or does it have a name? |
| 21:42.49 | iToast | ManoftheSea, http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
| 21:42.57 | iToast | Use that, it works with the most stuborn distros |
| 21:43.00 | ManoftheSea | oh... on windows? |
| 21:43.00 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: it does, give me a moment |
| 21:43.25 | ManoftheSea | iToast: if it's an Ubuntu tool, I kinda assumed it'd run on Ubuntu. Which, last I checked, still used GNU/Linux |
| 21:43.27 | passstab | multisystem is great |
| 21:43.32 | Artemis3 | i think this is the tool i used last time iToast http://sourceforge.net/projects/windd/ |
| 21:43.36 | iToast | ManoftheSea, it might have a linux one |
| 21:43.45 | abrotman | oh, they changed it, now they use one from pendrivelinux |
| 21:43.49 | iToast | Artemis3, never could figure out how to use it |
| 21:43.52 | Artemis3 | iToast, so if the others fail, just dd that image to the thumbdrive |
| 21:43.52 | passstab | http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ |
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| 21:44.28 | abrotman | regardless, still better than using unetbootin |
| 21:44.45 | Artemis3 | yeah there are a bunch of tools |
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| 21:51.04 | benc1213 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.10 | abrotman | !polls |
| 21:51.11 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 21:52.50 | benc1213 | !polls |
| 21:52.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 21:55.29 | NegraCardio | hello? |
| 21:55.33 | abrotman | hi |
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| 21:56.00 | NegraCardio | trying to install dev version of wine. I'm getting that "a dependancy needs another dependancy" thing |
| 21:56.12 | abrotman | with which version of linux? |
| 21:56.18 | NegraCardio | 6.0.6 |
| 21:56.24 | NegraCardio | gnome |
| 21:56.24 | ManoftheSea | dev isn't a version of wine. dev is a set of packages. |
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| 21:56.41 | NegraCardio | unstable version* |
| 21:57.11 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: wine has a stable and a development branch |
| 21:57.35 | NegraCardio | I just want it to play netflix.... |
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| 21:59.03 | sdcardo | I am a desktop newbie running Wheezy on my Toshiba Satellite S2410-304 laptop which features an SD Card slot which does not work. I have not found any Squeeze/Wheezy info on the web which could tell me how to make the SD card slot work. Can anyone help me? |
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| 22:00.03 | ManoftheSea | sdcardo: you might check "lspci" for a device that looks like an sd reader. |
| 22:00.04 | passstab | sdcardo, hi |
| 22:00.09 | abrotman | sdcardo: looked through dmesg for hints? |
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| 22:00.25 | ManoftheSea | For me, it's an O2 Micro, Inc, device. |
| 22:00.58 | NegraCardio | the version of WINE that came with debian 6.0.6 isn't even close to being up to day and refuses to work with winetricks, making it so it also won't unpack the things I want it to |
| 22:01.03 | sdcardo | lspci says... System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 03) |
| 22:01.43 | jelly-home | NegraCardio: where are you getting the newer package from? Mixing a stable debian release with newer package is not a good idea |
| 22:01.44 | sdcardo | dmesg says nothing about my SD card slot |
| 22:02.03 | NegraCardio | well at this point I've just deleted everything |
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| 22:02.22 | abrotman | sdcardo: and 'uname -a' ? |
| 22:02.32 | NegraCardio | was hoping to start from scratch with you guys help |
| 22:03.18 | bluesm | Is gnu/linux bash have some kind of "events" |
| 22:03.50 | sdcardo | abrotman, 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 22:04.25 | bluesm | I mean to make a script which will execute when partition with label "kindle" is mounted to the system. |
| 22:04.29 | somiaj | bluesm: what do you mean? And if you are talking about bash, there is #bash |
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| 22:04.38 | somiaj | bluesm: udev |
| 22:04.41 | somiaj | bluesm: can do that |
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| 22:04.50 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.08 | NegraCardio | anyone willing to help? when I try "apt-get install wine" it gives me dependency errors |
| 22:05.10 | ManoftheSea | bluesm google |
| 22:05.53 | bluesm | ManoftheSea: Right. But this mean that I would have to go to the scripts of udev . |
| 22:06.07 | bluesm | ManoftheSea: And then add some of my script ? |
| 22:06.16 | ManoftheSea | well, sure. That's what you said you wanted. |
| 22:06.29 | ManoftheSea | you could also trigger on the specific kindle's UUID. |
| 22:06.40 | somiaj | bluesm: udev is a dynican /dev that adds/removes devices as they are pluged/removed |
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| 22:06.55 | somiaj | bluesm: you could set up a udev rule (look that up) that will run a script when your kendel is pluged into the computer |
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| 22:08.25 | jelly-home | NegraCardio: that usually means you're trying to mix repositories from different releases. If wine 1.5.x is the main thing that's going to run on this system, you might want to either move to debian testing or unstable, or build it from source |
| 22:09.15 | somiaj | NegraCardio: what version of debian are you running and what is your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:09.48 | NegraCardio | before I added a repo I found online, it was just adding 1.0.1, which wasn't working for me at all |
| 22:10.13 | somiaj | don't just add random repos, that will only lead to strife |
| 22:10.20 | NegraCardio | dctrl-tools debhelper dpkg-dev flex freeglut3-dev gcc glutg3-dev grep-dctrl libasound2-dev libcapi20-dev libcups2-dev libcupsys2-dev libdbus-1-dev libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libglu-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libglu1-xorg-dev libgnutls-dev libgphoto2-2-dev libgsm1-dev libjpeg-dev libjpeg62-dev libjpeg8-dev liblcms1-dev |
| 22:10.25 | somiaj | have you isntalled anything from that random repo (you may have to fix things that went wrong first NegraCardio) |
| 22:10.27 | NegraCardio | whops, wrong thing to past |
| 22:10.34 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 22:10.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:10.43 | NegraCardio | righty |
| 22:10.44 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell NegraCardio about bat |
| 22:10.50 | somiaj | NegraCardio: yea remove the random repo, and tell us what version of debian you are running (sounds like squeeze)? |
| 22:11.35 | NegraCardio | yea, squeeze |
| 22:11.49 | NegraCardio | and I'll do that right now from synaptic |
| 22:11.53 | somiaj | so get a newer version of wine in squeeze you will have to compile it yourself |
| 22:12.20 | somiaj | you can either try to make your own custom wine deb or you can just install wine in /usr/local (which works just fine) |
| 22:12.27 | somiaj | and won't conflict with the rest of your squeeze install |
| 22:12.34 | lupine | well, there's always backports |
| 22:12.44 | somiaj | lupine: has wine made it into backports |
| 22:12.45 | somiaj | ,v wine |
| 22:12.46 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 22:12.51 | somiaj | ,v wine-unstable |
| 22:12.52 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 22:13.07 | NegraCardio | ok, I have no idea how to compile things myself... |
| 22:13.12 | somiaj | lupine: yea I don't thikn wine will be easily backported because in squeeze he needs ia32-libs in wheezy he needs multiarch |
| 22:13.13 | lupine | ah, but it's not, no |
| 22:13.20 | lupine | sucky |
| 22:13.32 | bluesm | somiaj: Ok.. Could you upsize my understanding. Is udev running all the time and checking if something "responds" or is there some hardware that send signal that something is plugged in ? |
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| 22:13.39 | somiaj | NegraCardio: well that is your options for a newer wine, either compile it yourself or upgrade to testing. |
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| 22:14.00 | somiaj | bluesm: udev is always running and is connencted to a kernel |
| 22:14.26 | NegraCardio | I just shocked that 1.0.1 is still the one debian includes. the stable wine is 1.4 |
| 22:14.29 | somiaj | bluesm: so when you plug something in, udev process that event and acts accordinally (in the simplest case it adds the correspoding /dev/foo to access the device) |
| 22:14.45 | somiaj | NegraCardio: that was the version in debian at the time squeeze stabalized |
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| 22:15.00 | sdcardo | abrotman, still waiting for your feedback. i will be back in 10 minutes or so |
| 22:15.01 | somiaj | NegraCardio: debian stable does not change packages because it is a frozen release (lots of good reasons for this) |
| 22:15.08 | somiaj | NegraCardio: wheezy will release with 1.4 |
| 22:15.08 | NegraCardio | thinking I should switch to wheezy then? |
| 22:15.30 | somiaj | NegraCardio: it is your choice, either compile wine for squeeze or upgrade to wheezy (which is tesing and may not be a smooth experience) |
| 22:15.41 | NegraCardio | I know I'm a n00b, but I like the idea of throwing myself headlong into a challange |
| 22:15.55 | somiaj | bluesm: in a more complex case udev rules can be written to run custom scripts when udev detects a device being added in |
| 22:16.43 | somiaj | NegraCardio: easiest way to compile wine on squeeze. 'apt-get install build-essential' 'apt-get build-dep wine', then download the source code and run './configure', 'make', 'make install' to compile the source code |
| 22:17.00 | bluesm | somiaj: Ok. Thank you very very much |
| 22:17.27 | sney | iirc, building wine is a slow process |
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| 22:17.42 | somiaj | yea takes about 20 mins to compile on my fast machine |
| 22:18.06 | somiaj | but for the most part it isn't a tricky build if you install the build-dep and build-essential |
| 22:18.24 | somiaj | (note it is tricker to compile on wheezy if you are using amd64 because you need to build a i386 package) |
| 22:19.53 | NegraCardio | how would I download the source code? |
| 22:21.36 | somiaj | NegraCardio: from winehq.org |
| 22:21.40 | jelly-home | NegraCardio: something like http://verahill.blogspot.com/2012/12/building-wine-1519-on-debian.html |
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| 22:22.37 | NegraCardio | so follow instructions in site? |
| 22:22.40 | jelly-home | build dependencies in squeeze _will_ differ quite a bit from a 1.4 or 1.5 dependencies |
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| 22:22.56 | jelly-home | NegraCardio: not really, since you have debian stable and not testing |
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| 22:23.10 | somiaj | NegraCardio: http://paste.debian.net/220686/ (that is a tested set of notes I use to build a custom wine_foo.deb package) |
| 22:23.21 | somiaj | NegraCardio: note this is not offically supported but works well. |
| 22:23.26 | somiaj | I did that in squeeze |
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| 22:24.35 | somiaj | those instructions should work for 1.4 or 1.5 (But I haven't tested the newest 1.5 on squeeze as I don't use squeeze myself) |
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| 22:24.54 | NegraCardio | I might just use my xbox.... this looks way too complicated |
| 22:25.06 | jelly-home | eyup |
| 22:25.23 | NegraCardio | assuming I still have an xbox |
| 22:25.43 | jelly-home | debian and wine are not good friends |
| 22:25.48 | NegraCardio | clearly |
| 22:26.05 | NegraCardio | a friend of mine is trying to get me to switch to Gentoo |
| 22:26.48 | somiaj | if you think this is complicated, don't switch to gentoo |
| 22:26.55 | somiaj | this is just a common thing that is done in gentoo |
| 22:27.01 | somiaj | (Since everything is built from source) |
| 22:27.06 | NegraCardio | well that's reassuring.... |
| 22:27.32 | somiaj | NegraCardio: it is one of those things that looks complicated but really is mostly automated, it just takes time |
| 22:27.48 | NegraCardio | I'm starting to if I'm smart enough for Linux at this rate |
| 22:28.16 | somiaj | NegraCardio: really it is just a matter of doing it |
| 22:28.35 | somiaj | NegraCardio: as you get experience you get better. But unless you are willing to try and maybe fail you won't learn. |
| 22:28.36 | jelly-home | smart has nothing do to with it, it's just a couple weeks worth of learning methodology |
| 22:29.26 | somiaj | there is really only a few things you can do that will completely hose your system. So learn the correct method (since you chose debian this is sometimes refered to as the debian way) and as jelly-home said the methodology and you won't do things that mess up your system |
| 22:29.43 | somiaj | like you already learned not to just add random sources to your sources.list and install stuff (That will break things badly and is bad methology) |
| 22:31.11 | NegraCardio | I guess... |
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| 22:31.44 | NegraCardio | I'll come back to this when I have more time and emotional stability |
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| 22:35.07 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 22:37.45 | neon__ | instead of reading whatever it like? |
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| 22:51.57 | sdcardo | abrotman, still waiting for your feedback. |
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| 22:53.06 | sdcardo | abrotman, it seems this is abandoware: gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.sdhci.devel/2234/match=toshiba+sd+typa+controller |
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| 22:53.18 | abrotman | sdcardo: huh? i only asked about your kernel versoin |
| 22:53.29 | abrotman | neon__: maybe on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:53.38 | Guest90941 | hello guys |
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| 22:54.24 | sdcardo | abrotman, sorry. helpwise, i thought you needed my kernel version for starters |
| 22:54.35 | Guest90941 | each time i plus my HDD i get a file named .Trash which i cant remove with sudo nor su and i get file its on read only |
| 22:55.17 | abrotman | sdcardo: anything useufl in dmesg? |
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| 22:56.36 | sdcardo | abrotman, dmesg says nothing about my SD card slot |
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| 22:57.32 | abrotman | sdcardo: it's possible there's no driver for it .. use the PCIID from lspci -nn and do some research in google |
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| 22:59.14 | sdcardo | abrotman, i did some research in google and all i could find to solve my sd card issue was: gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.sdhci.devel/2234/match=toshiba+sd+typa+controller |
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| 22:59.27 | white-warrior | Happy GNU Year 2013 from Paolo, Italy |
| 23:00.12 | maxxe | happy new year! |
| 23:00.19 | maxxe | Day changed to 01 jan 2013 |
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| 23:01.00 | sdcardo | Grazie Paolo, Happy GNU year 2013 to you and everybody here! |
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| 23:01.37 | abrotman | sdcardo: that's so old .. |
| 23:01.44 | abrotman | sdcardo: i can't believe it wouldn't be supported now ? |
| 23:02.30 | abrotman | sdcardo: what's the sdcard reader line from 'lspci -nn' ? |
| 23:02.50 | sdcardo | abrotman, it maybe supported by some driver that was developed later for similar controllers |
| 23:03.16 | sdcardo | 02:0d.0 System peripheral [0880]: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller [1179:0805] (rev 03) |
| 23:03.24 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1179:0805 |
| 23:03.25 | judd | [1179:0805] is 'SD TypA Controller' from 'Toshiba America Info Systems' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1179:0805 |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | sdcardo: that's not good ... |
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| 23:14.19 | Guest90941 | hello |
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| 23:15.49 | xsaidx | hello |
| 23:18.02 | Guest69260 | identify fucku2 |
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| 23:20.03 | sdcardo | abrotman, my sd card controller may be supported by some driver that was developed later for similar controllers. any ideas? |
| 23:21.02 | xsaidx | guys icant remove a file named .Trash even with sudo and su and it says its on read only how can i get ride of it |
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| 23:23.47 | maxxe | if it is a usb storage or something you need to mount it with write permissions, i.e. not read only |
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| 23:27.44 | norbert_ | Using Debian stable; I'm working with kdenlive and the final render of the project has distorted audio; I read via Google that many installing or removing pulseaudio might help, so I installed that, but that caused audio to stop working on thew whole system, so I removed it but audio still no longer works... any ideas? |
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| 23:30.47 | norbert_ | tried apt-get remove alsa and then reinstall, but still no audio |
| 23:31.54 | zykotick9 | norbert_: check volume levels and confirm not-muted in alsamixer, for starters |
| 23:32.07 | norbert_ | it's not, checked :) |
| 23:33.25 | norbert_ | vlc still says: [0x9386dc8] pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused |
| 23:33.42 | norbert_ | even though everything is really gone (apt-get remove pulseaudio and pulseaudio*) and I rebooted the pc |
| 23:34.22 | norbert_ | will try to reboot again |
| 23:35.38 | bluesm | Do you know how to make xfce to work with another screen |
| 23:35.52 | xsaidx | maxxe: yes normaly other file in thatusb does get mounted on RW permission |
| 23:35.55 | bluesm | Even when laptop's "screen" is closed ? |
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| 23:36.14 | norbert_ | no, rebooting doesn't fix it... |
| 23:36.50 | zykotick9 | norbert_: if vlc is trying to use pulse, and you've removed it. you need to tell vlc to use alsa... |
| 23:36.54 | chovy | how come my 2Tb drive, says it is 1.8TB |
| 23:36.54 | chovy | /dev/sda2 1.8T 14G 1.7T 1% /home |
| 23:37.09 | norbert_ | zykotick9, yeah, just changed it to alsa, but still no audio |
| 23:38.20 | norbert_ | oh, it works again |
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| 23:38.38 | norbert_ | the "Headphone" checkbox on the "Switches" tab was off |
| 23:38.42 | norbert_ | apparently that needs to be on |
| 23:38.48 | zykotick9 | chovy: choose all that apply. 1) 1000 != 1024 2) filesystem overhead 3) root reserved space |
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| 23:38.59 | norbert_ | sometimes GNU/Linux is a mystery to me |
| 23:39.08 | chovy | zykotick9: i used df -h |
| 23:39.16 | maxxe | xsaidx: what's the output of ls -l .Trash? did you try sudo chmod -v a+w .Trash first |
| 23:39.20 | zykotick9 | chovy: see the difference with "df" |
| 23:39.28 | chovy | shouldn't that give me accurate numbers? I mean, the ISP says it comes with a 2TB drive |
| 23:39.45 | zykotick9 | chovy: it is a 2TB drive |
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| 23:41.46 | chovy | zykotick9: https://gist.github.com/4888f7146e63f1e20afd |
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| 23:42.33 | chovy | maybe i'm not reading this correctly. is it possible that the drive is split between sda1 and sda2? |
| 23:42.58 | zykotick9 | chovy: don't use -h, just "df" |
| 23:43.56 | zykotick9 | chovy: and yes. sda in both cases, so you have sda1 and sda2 taking up that 2TB |
| 23:43.56 | chovy | is there anyway to tell if /dev/sda1 is the same physircal drive being used on /dev/sda2 |
| 23:44.05 | xsaidx | maxxe: noo but whats does -v ?? |
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| 23:44.32 | chovy | ok, that would explain it. If 20Gb in /dev/sda1 is part of the same drive. |
| 23:44.33 | maxxe | xsaidx: -v = be verbose |
| 23:45.02 | zykotick9 | chovy: sda is one drive with numbers after being partitons. sdb would be a second drive. |
| 23:45.27 | chovy | i see |
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| 23:46.55 | chovy | thanks |
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| 23:49.04 | sdcardo | Happy GNU year 2013 to everybody here! |
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| 23:51.00 | chovy | heh |
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| 23:51.52 | un214 | wakeup ok |
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| 23:53.13 | iToast | yo |
| 23:53.16 | iToast | how do I install the JRE |
| 23:53.24 | iToast | I've tried apt-get install openJDK-7-jre |
| 23:56.34 | chovy | zykotick9: the math still doesn't add up |
| 23:56.43 | xsaidx | maxxe ok thanks ill try it |
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| 23:56.57 | chovy | iToast: for what? |
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| 23:57.15 | iToast | chovy, I need to install it |
| 23:57.18 | iToast | the Openjre |
| 23:57.22 | iToast | as oracle's isn't supporte |
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| 23:57.53 | Towzzer | apt-get install openjdk-6-jre |
| 23:58.00 | chovy | its been a long time, but I think you can do non-free or something |
| 23:58.08 | chovy | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:58.44 | dvs | ,v openjdk-6-jre |
| 23:58.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- lenny: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; sid: 6b24-1.11.5-1; wheezy: 6b24-1.11.5-1 |
| 23:58.52 | chovy | i just installed 6 the other day |
| 23:59.22 | HardDisk_WP | with isc-dhcp-server, in configfile i said "default-lease-time 600;" |
| 23:59.23 | iToast | ty |
| 23:59.25 | norbert_ | well, going from Debian stable to unstable, because I want the latest kdenlive and that needs all libraries on the planet... wish me luck |
| 23:59.32 | iToast | I'm setting up a Minecraft server to go beside TF2 |
| 23:59.39 | confusid | if I have a debian amd64 system installed and do dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log Then install debian kfree-64 and do dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log Should it work without errors or should I expect package names to be slightly different between them? |
| 23:59.49 | HardDisk_WP | but clients do stuff like Jan 1 00:58:30 in0 dhclient: bound to 10.0.0.50 -- renewal in 236 seconds. |
| 23:59.51 | HardDisk_WP | why?! |
