| 00:00.37 | zykotick9 | chovy: if you are still trying to use "df -h" then no, the math won't add up. but if you switch to "df" it might... |
| 00:01.17 | chovy | zykotick9: why does df -h not add up? |
| 00:01.41 | zykotick9 | chovy: -h is human readable, but HD sizes are in a non-human readable format |
| 00:01.54 | chovy | i did the math in google and got 1.9TB, and when I do 'df' I see 1931104720 |
| 00:02.01 | zykotick9 | chovy: 1000 != 1024 |
| 00:02.28 | chovy | is 1.93 1.9TB? |
| 00:02.52 | zykotick9 | chovy: OMG. and you think your ISP is ripping you off that 0.1TB. good luck man. (don't reply to me further, i won't see it) |
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| 00:03.28 | chovy | it was showing 1.7TB vs. 2TB just wondering where the space went. |
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| 00:03.43 | chovy | i didn't realize /dev/sda1 was the physical drive |
| 00:03.58 | chovy | anway, don't know what you're problem is. |
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| 00:04.24 | chovy | 15% of unaccounted disk space. |
| 00:04.39 | un214 | by this point everybody should know what chovy's problem is |
| 00:05.06 | dvs | yup |
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| 00:05.35 | confusid | by chance anyone tried to install from a list made on one machine and have it work with others? |
| 00:06.08 | un214 | if by list you mean clone drive then yes |
| 00:06.17 | confusid | I've only done this with same arch. systems. |
| 00:06.22 | chovy | it was .1tb is was .25TB |
| 00:06.43 | un214 | confusid: it won't work across arch |
| 00:06.45 | confusid | but going from amdx64 to kfree-x64? Should work the same as the others? |
| 00:07.04 | confusid | I'm saying different arch but not sure what to call it. |
| 00:07.05 | un214 | what is kfree-x64? |
| 00:08.01 | confusid | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 00:08.13 | un214 | not gonna work |
| 00:08.18 | confusid | k, ty |
| 00:08.24 | confusid | :/ |
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| 00:10.59 | zykotick9 | confusid: i won't try "cloning" from amd62->kfreebsd myself but see "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" for a couple of options... |
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| 00:11.55 | confusid | was hopeing to use dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log from current x64 then on the kfreebsd install do dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log |
| 00:12.00 | zykotick9 | amd62 is amd64's slower younger brother ;) |
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| 00:12.54 | zykotick9 | confusid: i doubt that's a "great" idea myself... "might" work... |
| 00:13.39 | confusid | I probably should stay where I am.. Things work.. lol |
| 00:13.42 | neon__ | apt-get install libmp3lame0:i386 The following packages have unmet dependencies: libavcodec-extra-53 : Depends: libmp3lame0 but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:13.42 | neon__ | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 00:14.43 | zykotick9 | neon__: try adding both libmp3lame0 and libavcodec-extra-53 to your apt-get/aptitude command |
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| 00:15.39 | confusid | ty for the info |
| 00:16.00 | neon__ | apt-get install libmp3lame0:i386 libmp3lame0 libavcodec-extra-53 | libmp3lame0 : Breaks: libmp3lame0:i386 (!= 1:3.99.5-0.1) but 3.99.5+repack1-3 is to be installed libmp3lame0:i386 : Breaks: libmp3lame0 (!= 3.99.5+repack1-3) but 1:3.99.5-0.1 is to be installed |
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| 00:17.42 | neon__ | why can't apt-get ignore dependency problems |
| 00:17.59 | Towzzer | that's what it's for |
| 00:17.59 | un214 | breaks is not a dependency problem |
| 00:18.05 | zykotick9 | neon__: do you understand what a dependency is? |
| 00:18.08 | hesco | because its job is to resolve dependency issues |
| 00:18.17 | Towzzer | neon, you must have installed something without apt |
| 00:18.23 | Towzzer | now it's confused |
| 00:18.25 | un214 | breaks is these packages cannot coexist |
| 00:18.29 | zykotick9 | Towzzer: or mixed repos |
| 00:18.31 | Towzzer | yeah |
| 00:18.51 | neon__ | what might be is that I had things that got in from deb-multimedia.org |
| 00:19.00 | Towzzer | did you then remove that repository? |
| 00:19.05 | hesco | try apt-get remove the offending package and then try your install again |
| 00:19.13 | neon__ | yes i removed dmm |
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| 00:19.15 | JoeHazzers | what's the recommended method of caching packages for local installation on a network? |
| 00:19.25 | neon__ | hesco, it want to remove gnome |
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| 00:19.35 | neon__ | hesco, that's abit too much for me |
| 00:19.35 | un214 | yeah just so long as you keep deb-multimedia it works but when you remove it things go sideways |
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| 00:19.52 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, or aptproxy (not sure on lasts name) are 3 options |
| 00:19.58 | sney | neon__, did it show removing all the gnome components or just one package named "gnome" |
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| 00:20.20 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.20 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.20 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.20 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.28 | sney | sigh |
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| 00:20.47 | sney | !paste |
| 00:20.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:20.48 | JoeHazzers | zykotick9: are you familiar with the differences between them? |
| 00:21.05 | confusid | neon__: http://paste.debian.net/ is your friend |
| 00:21.12 | neon__ | I thought it was a one line |
| 00:21.24 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: i've only used apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng myself. the former can only do one distribution at a time... |
| 00:21.43 | un214 | wow gnome sure is hard to get rid of |
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| 00:21.51 | hesco | First time I did a cinerella install, doing the dependency chase led to me ripping out vast swaths of the installation, including the desktop, I just took note of what was being removed and then re-installed those items afterwards. Took all afternoon, but I finally got to a working system, including the desktop and the video edit suite. Course that was on a fresh drive with no data and noone depending yet on its running in production. |
| 00:21.52 | JoeHazzers | at this point i'm just considering using nginx and doing it DIY |
| 00:21.53 | un214 | apt-get remove one package and kde is gone |
| 00:21.53 | neon__ | maybe adding dmm will resolve it? |
| 00:22.19 | JoeHazzers | zykotick9: if i'm using http, it's just a matter of obeying caches, right? |
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| 00:23.06 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: sorry you lost me. apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng are both http proxies (of sorts). manually using a web server is beyond my experience. |
| 00:23.14 | sney | !tell neon__ about bat |
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| 00:24.19 | zykotick9 | !tell JoeHazzers about aptproxy |
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| 00:26.36 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: FYI if you use apt-cacher/apt-cacher-ng during netinstall, when it ask for a proxy, you can enter your local apt-cacher proxy and installs fly. |
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| 00:28.48 | RoyK | just the hi |
| 00:29.10 | zykotick9 | sney: does bat stand for something? is so, do you know what? |
| 00:29.32 | Towzzer | batch? |
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| 00:30.20 | zykotick9 | Towzzer: in the dmsg-bot sense is what i meant. batch doesn't make a "lot" of sense for that... |
| 00:30.28 | neon__ | http://paste.debian.net/220709/ <-bat |
| 00:31.55 | sney | neon__, missed one |
| 00:32.10 | sney | zykotick9, afaik it's just a bat - like you would hit something with |
| 00:33.10 | zykotick9 | sney: ok, thanks. |
| 00:34.06 | neon__ | http://paste.debian.net/220710/ ? |
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| 00:35.27 | sney | neon__, the output of 'apt-cache policy' by itself. |
| 00:36.15 | JoeHazzers | zykotick9: thanks for your help :) |
| 00:36.52 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: although i've had recurring issues with it, i'd suggest apt-cacher-ng myself |
| 00:38.32 | neon__ | http://paste.debian.net/220711/ |
| 00:38.45 | Mr_Queue | I've a machine that's about to lose access to the network for a very long time. However, I still want access to all the packages. A full mirror is likely a waste of space, I only need amd64 builds. Good ideas on what to configure? |
| 00:39.18 | Mr_Queue | I'd just do the full DVD set, but I don't currently have any and I'm sick of them in general. |
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| 00:40.42 | zykotick9 | Mr_Queue: you might want to try apt-on-cd (haven't used it myself) |
| 00:41.08 | sney | neon__, have you tried using aptitude? it may offer better solutions. (press 'n' to see the next available option) |
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| 00:42.32 | neon__ | sney, I tired aptitude, and it also want to remove lots of things including gnome |
| 00:42.44 | neon__ | why does it want to remove gnome? |
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| 00:42.58 | somiaj | neon__: gnome is just a meta package, if you don't have every single gnome thing installed it will remove it |
| 00:43.45 | sney | neon__, did you look at anything other than aptitude's first suggestion? if you don't like an aptitude suggestion, press n and it will show you another |
| 00:44.41 | somiaj | neon__: it looks like you are running into multiarch issues, which are still present in wheezy and are being worked out. Try to figure out which of those libs isn't multiarch |
| 00:44.47 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-zip |
| 00:44.47 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 00:44.50 | somiaj | neon__: what is the main package you are trying to install/get to work. |
| 00:45.20 | zykotick9 | sney: after the 1st time that aptitiude's "n" did what i actually wanted - i was done with apt-get ;) |
| 00:45.36 | neon__ | somiaj, sound in wine |
| 00:45.45 | somiaj | neon__: how are you installing wine? |
| 00:46.05 | neon__ | sney, I pressed n |
| 00:46.29 | somiaj | neon__: the packages I see you messing with don't seem vital for sound in wine....let me check my install (wine works like a charm for me) |
| 00:46.33 | neon__ | somiaj, wine is installed, just that the sound don't work and at #winehq, they told me I need that lib |
| 00:47.11 | neon__ | somiaj, there is an audio tab with test in winecfg |
| 00:47.27 | somiaj | neon__: which lib did they say you need, libavcodec53:i386 -- I do not have that installed on my system and sound works just fine for me |
| 00:47.57 | neon__ | aha |
| 00:48.17 | neon__ | what a conundrum |
| 00:48.19 | somiaj | yea the test button works just fine for me to |
| 00:48.24 | somiaj | neon__: how did you install wine? |
| 00:49.03 | neon__ | somiaj, iirc I upgraded with synaptic |
| 00:49.34 | somiaj | that lib issue is some multiarch issue and it is worth seeing if there is a bugreport for it, because wheezy needs to have better multiarch (there are still libs that haven't converted) |
| 00:49.39 | somiaj | but I don't think that is your sound issue |
| 00:49.42 | neon__ | somiaj, it was kept at the old version 1, and I upgraded to 1.4 iirc, and it kept working ok, and after the reboot it stopped sounding |
| 00:50.02 | somiaj | neon__: synaptic...haven't used it I just know it sometimes doesen't play nicely with app. So you installed the wine 1.4 package from wheezy? |
| 00:51.04 | neon__ | somiaj, yes 1.4.1-4 |
| 00:51.08 | reizuki | is there a channel for debian live? |
| 00:51.12 | somiaj | libavcodec53:i386 installs just fine for me on sid with no dependency issues..... |
| 00:51.22 | somiaj | reizuki: I belive so on the offical debian irc network, irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:51.37 | somiaj | reizuki: look up 'debian wiki irc' in google and it will give you the page that lists all the irc channels on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:51.41 | neon__ | somiaj, I knew I should have upgraded to sid, and not to wheezy :/ |
| 00:52.11 | somiaj | neon__: Your issue is not with that package, as I have sound just fine without it. Do you use pulse or just alsa? |
| 00:52.20 | reizuki | somiaj: found it, it's #debian-live on OFTC, thanks |
| 00:52.25 | somiaj | neon__: sid has it's own problem. |
| 00:52.25 | sdcardo | Happy GNU year 2013 to everybody here! |
| 00:52.30 | neon__ | somiaj, idk |
| 00:53.17 | neon__ | ALSA lib conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so |
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| 00:53.30 | neon__ | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 00:54.03 | somiaj | neon__: I don't use pulseaudio, maybe your issue is there. |
| 00:54.28 | somiaj | neon__: dpkg -l | grep pulse (do you have more than just the libpulse0?) |
| 00:55.19 | neon__ | I have a :amd64 and a :i386 |
| 00:55.59 | somiaj | neon__: but just the libs? |
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| 00:56.31 | somiaj | neon__: just making sure you don't have "pulseaudio - PulseAudio sound server" installed |
| 00:56.32 | Konomi | guys I am tryingto get my time zone and according to someone on stack overflow "On Debian-based systems (including Ubuntu), /etc/timezone is a file containing the right answer." |
| 00:56.36 | Konomi | how do I find it out? |
| 00:56.47 | Konomi | urk nvm x.x |
| 00:56.48 | somiaj | Konomi: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 00:56.50 | neon__ | http://paste.debian.net/220712/ <- somiaj |
| 00:56.53 | Konomi | thanks |
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| 00:57.15 | Konomi | I misread cat /etc/timezone does work thanks though somiaj ^^ |
| 00:57.35 | somiaj | Konomi: it does, but the command I gave you should be used as it modifies other things too |
| 00:57.51 | Konomi | yeah I just wanted to tell someone my timezone but I wasn't sure specifically what it was ^^ |
| 00:58.14 | somiaj | Konomi: ahh yea, then that will work, I was telling you how to change it. (: |
| 00:58.25 | Konomi | yep I know thank you :3 |
| 00:59.03 | somiaj | neon__: you have pulseaudio installed, I think that is your problem. I personally do not like pulse and avoid it. (it does have some nice features but not nice enough to deal with another soundserver) |
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| 00:59.27 | somiaj | neon__: So I really can't be of help with you because of that, as I am unsure how to debug your alsa/pulseaudio issues |
| 00:59.32 | Mr_Queue | zykotick9: I'm trying to stay away from CD's. I'd rather just set my repo to localhost. I'm sure there is a way. I'm reading about it now. |
| 01:00.12 | neon__ | somiaj, I am having sound issues. I don't mind removing pulse. I just want it to work |
| 01:00.31 | somiaj | neon__: well you could try to remove pulse and just go to a basic alsa install. |
| 01:01.01 | neon__ | somiaj, from what I understand I need some sound server for some programs , no? |
| 01:01.14 | somiaj | neon__: pulseaudio can swithc sound cards ont he fly (alsa can't) and it's software mixing is slighy better than dmix. But dmix is just fine for me. |
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| 01:02.05 | somiaj | neon__: you don't need a soundserver, but if your sound card does not have hardware mixing you need to use a software mixer. Alsa has dmix, but a soundserver like pulseaudio once configured works better. the issue is configuing it and making all of your apps use it |
| 01:02.18 | somiaj | neon__: I stick with alsa because it is the linux kernel standard and every application should support alsa these days |
| 01:03.06 | somiaj | Mr_Queue: you could just have the .iso's on your system and after you scan them just mount the one it asks for as a loopback device |
| 01:03.07 | neon__ | somiaj, which of these pulse packages should I remove? |
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| 01:03.35 | somiaj | neon__: the only one I have is the core libpulse0, the rest can be removed. Again this may be a project (always be weary of random advise from the internets) |
| 01:03.58 | neon__ | somiaj, ok |
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| 01:04.00 | somiaj | Mr_Queue: though creating a local repo can work too, the .iso suggestion was just another way. |
| 01:04.34 | neon__ | somiaj, and after I will remove everything will it just revert to alsa? |
| 01:05.06 | somiaj | neon__: alsa is your sound drivers, pulseaudio is just a server layer on top of alsa to allow for a bit more dynamic and specal features. |
| 01:06.02 | neon__ | somiaj, if I try to purge pulse audio apt get wat to remove gnome* gnome-core* gnome-desktop-environment* libcanberra-pulse* pulseaudio* pulseaudio-esound-compat* pulseaudio-module-x11* |
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| 01:06.37 | somiaj | neon__: gnome, gnome-core and gnome-desktop-enviorment are just metapackages |
| 01:07.06 | neon__ | somiaj, so it won't remvoe my desktop? |
| 01:07.08 | somiaj | neon__: there is no down side to removing them, it just says you don't have the 'complete' gnome system. Which is because debian is calling pulseaudio part of debian |
| 01:07.24 | somiaj | neon__: nope, they are just meta packgaes, you can 'apt-cache show gnome' to see what I mean |
| 01:07.52 | neon__ | what does the * mean in "gnome*"? |
| 01:08.13 | somiaj | neon__: what command did you type to remove your packages? |
| 01:08.26 | neon__ | apt-get purge pulseaudio |
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| 01:10.35 | somiaj | neon__: the * means you are purging the package as opposed to removeing it |
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| 01:12.28 | neon__ | somiaj, now I get ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 01:12.41 | neon__ | somiaj, is that a modprobe? |
| 01:12.46 | somiaj | neon__: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 01:12.56 | somiaj | neon__: you have some issues with alsa, lets get your sound working first |
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| 01:16.13 | neon__ | somiaj, my sound work except in wine. |
| 01:16.40 | neon__ | somiaj, gone through the checklist, except firmware, don't know what that |
| 01:17.17 | somiaj | neon__: most likely that is because pulseaudio was using your soundcard and wine was trying to access the device via alsa. |
| 01:17.49 | neon__ | somiaj, I'll try to kill all wine |
| 01:18.21 | somiaj | neon__: so yea yo have two choices, either disable pulseaudio (my random suggestion) or configure wine to use pulseaudio (I have no clue how to do this) |
| 01:18.50 | neon__ | somiaj, I remvoed pulseaudio, and stoped it |
| 01:19.18 | somiaj | neon__: ls $HOME/.asoundrc -- do you have a file there? |
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| 01:19.22 | neon__ | I still have this /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
| 01:19.47 | somiaj | yea kill pulseaudio |
| 01:19.47 | neon__ | no .aso* |
| 01:20.15 | neon__ | I killed it and my music stopped |
| 01:21.03 | neon__ | wine sound work :DDD |
| 01:21.07 | somiaj | yea I said this was going to be a project to remove pulseaudio and use alsa, so you have to stop all your sound devices |
| 01:21.18 | somiaj | ok now try to play mutlple things at the same time |
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| 01:21.33 | somiaj | like multiple programs access your sound card |
| 01:21.34 | neon__ | metasity virt 107G !!! |
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| 01:21.54 | neon__ | and take lots of CPU% |
| 01:22.33 | neon__ | something is wrong with metacity, can I kill it? |
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| 01:22.48 | neon__ | gnome sound applet gone crasy |
| 01:23.15 | somiaj | might want to restart gnome, everything that was using pulseaudio might start to get confused now that pulseaudio is gone |
| 01:23.29 | somiaj | again I have never used pulseaudio, and am just some random chatter onthe net. (: |
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| 01:23.31 | neon__ | ok |
| 01:24.05 | neon__ | somiaj, that's ok, no one will get hurt if this computer is down |
| 01:24.28 | neon__ | waht is the best way to restart gnome? |
| 01:24.41 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.50 | somiaj | I'd just logout |
| 01:24.53 | somiaj | then login |
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| 01:27.05 | neon__ | somiaj, I think everything is ok |
| 01:27.11 | neon__ | I have sound |
| 01:27.26 | neon__ | and the wine sound with it |
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| 01:28.18 | neon__ | somiaj, I think i wanted pulse inorder to record the mix |
| 01:28.26 | neon__ | somiaj, my also don't give that |
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| 01:29.10 | somiaj | yea pulseaudio has features alsa does not. But I have seen soundservers come and go though the years and have always found them more complicated to use than their benifit |
| 01:29.53 | somiaj | really wish the idea of soundservers would just die and they would find ways to improve alsa. My solution back in 2000 was get an sblive sound card with hardware mixing/features on it. Have never had an issue with that card and sound in the 12+ years I've used it |
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| 01:30.36 | neon__ | somiaj, I have a few old sblive ling around |
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| 01:30.53 | neon__ | maybe its worthwhile to put them in? |
| 01:31.32 | neon__ | the only wierd thing now, is that I don't see the gnome-sound-applet |
| 01:31.33 | somiaj | neon__: if you don't have any sound mixing issues (you can get multple applications using sound at the same time) Ithink you are fine |
| 01:31.40 | neon__ | maybe I'll try to reboot |
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| 01:32.10 | somiaj | alsa + dmix works really well (it just misses some of the more spify features of pulseaudio) |
| 01:32.19 | neon__ | somiaj, I just wanted to record sound from youtube |
| 01:32.21 | somiaj | neon__: unsure if that requires pulseaudio or not to work. ask gnome people |
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| 01:32.35 | somiaj | neon__: I use youtube-dl, grab the video then rip the audio track off of it with mplayer |
| 01:32.48 | ManoftheSea | neon__: nomnom - downloads flash videos. |
| 01:32.53 | ManoftheSea | Then rip the audio track... |
| 01:33.00 | neon__ | yes, but I also want to play several things and record the mix |
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| 01:33.39 | neon__ | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
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| 01:34.49 | neon__ | that is while trying to run gnome-sound-applet |
| 01:36.10 | somiaj | neon__: yea can't help ya there, I ditched gnome too. to many layers to get in my way. I just knew that pulseaudio was your issue with wine. (: |
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| 01:36.20 | echo083 | hello |
| 01:36.40 | echo083 | debian provides exim4 as the default MTA can I replace it safely with msmtp-mta ? |
| 01:36.52 | echo083 | and completely remove exim |
| 01:36.59 | neon__ | somiaj, I'll try to reboot. You was right about pulse. |
| 01:36.59 | streuner_ | sure |
| 01:37.01 | somiaj | echo083: correct |
| 01:37.14 | streuner_ | echo083: you can use whatever MTA you want |
| 01:37.20 | somiaj | neon__: I doubt that will fix your issue, gnome-sound-applet might still be looking for pulse and need reconfigured. |
| 01:37.39 | echo083 | streuner_, somiaj, exim4 is slow to start (for me maybe not for you) :( why was it chosen as the default MTA ? |
| 01:38.32 | somiaj | echo083: you may have to check mailing list logs for that. I use postfix myself |
| 01:39.02 | streuner_ | echo083: postfix or exim are secure, but keep in mind you can choose whatever you want.... |
| 01:39.52 | echo083 | streuner_, till i can choose the one i want i'm happy :) freedom is cool |
| 01:39.56 | echo083 | streuner_, somiaj thanks |
| 01:40.15 | streuner_ | echo083: thats Debian, freedom |
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| 01:41.19 | somiaj | echo083: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/exim4.html -- might be able to track down the choice for why exim4 there |
| 01:42.09 | echo083 | somiaj, it is said as the more robust |
| 01:42.12 | streuner_ | echo083: well, i use postfix as well, if that helps :-P |
| 01:42.39 | echo083 | streuner_, no i want a light mta solution but indeed i won't have as much functionalities as in postfix |
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| 01:43.51 | neon__ | anyone know how to exit twm? |
| 01:43.55 | echo083 | streuner_, just to be sure ... apt-get install msmtp-mta && apt-get exim4 won't break my system ? (parano mode) |
| 01:44.06 | echo083 | streuner_, apt-get remove exim4 sorry |
| 01:44.15 | somiaj | echo083: it won't |
| 01:44.24 | echo083 | somiaj, ok thanks :) |
| 01:44.53 | streuner_ | echo083: as we told you already, you are free to choose any MTA what you want |
| 01:45.23 | echo083 | streuner_, but i broke my installation so often that's i'm parano !! just bad manipulation from me |
| 01:46.19 | streuner_ | echo083: well, that happens sometimes in every OS ;-) |
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| 01:46.48 | echo083 | streuner_, oh don't worry !! i'm not blaming debian i just blame the user ME :) |
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| 01:47.14 | streuner_ | echo083: well, i blame OS's ;-) |
| 01:47.50 | damo22 | is there a way to install x86_64 kernel but run both i386 and x86_64 stuff? |
| 01:48.12 | somiaj | damo22: that is what multiarch is for |
| 01:48.21 | somiaj | damo22: what version of debian are you running and what arch did you install? |
| 01:48.33 | echo083 | damo22, you can install ia32-libs if i'm not wrong |
| 01:48.48 | damo22 | somiaj: i installed x86_64, and i would like to run ardour3 with windows vst support |
| 01:48.57 | damo22 | but afaik it only works under i386 |
| 01:49.00 | somiaj | damo22: what version of debian? |
| 01:49.04 | damo22 | testing |
| 01:49.14 | somiaj | damo22: you need to enable multiarch support |
| 01:49.18 | damo22 | (wheezy) |
| 01:49.25 | somiaj | damo22: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 01:49.39 | somiaj | that allows you to install i386 packages in an amd64 install. |
| 01:49.53 | somiaj | so you can install the i386 libs you need to run your application |
| 01:50.16 | damo22 | somiaj: that is an incredible project |
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| 01:50.28 | damo22 | somiaj: but is it currently functional? |
| 01:51.00 | somiaj | damo22: mostly, it really depends on the libs you need |
| 01:51.25 | somiaj | damo22: right now many debian libs are multiarch complient and you can have both the i386 and amd64 version installed |
| 01:51.42 | damo22 | but some like libc cant? |
| 01:51.44 | somiaj | damo22: you can currently only have one version of a binary or libfoo-dev installed |
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| 01:51.52 | somiaj | no all the core ones can, it is more obscure ones that can't |
| 01:51.59 | damo22 | ok |
| 01:52.06 | damo22 | i tried this i think |
| 01:52.12 | somiaj | I run a i386 compiled version of wine just fine on my amd64 system |
| 01:52.28 | damo22 | to compile ardour3 for i386 under multiarch but it failed because i couldnt get the right libs |
| 01:52.43 | somiaj | you will have to compile in an i386 chroot |
| 01:52.49 | damo22 | ohh |
| 01:53.02 | somiaj | but once you create an i386 package you can install it in your main system (What I do with wine) |
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| 01:53.28 | somiaj | i.e. eht libfoo-dev do not allow for multiple build enviorments unless you use a chroot, pbuilder can ease this |
| 01:53.34 | damo22 | any good guides on setting up an i386 chroot? |
| 01:53.57 | somiaj | damo22: just use debootstrap, or look it up in google |
| 01:54.01 | somiaj | or use pbuilder |
| 01:54.01 | damo22 | ty |
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| 01:55.47 | damo22 | somiaj: do you run the i386 compiled package in the chroot? or just use it as a build environment? |
| 01:56.09 | somiaj | no I just build it in the chroot because I need all the i386 development libs installed |
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| 01:56.20 | somiaj | I then install the package normally in my main system |
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| 01:56.21 | damo22 | okay |
| 01:56.27 | damo22 | great idea |
| 01:56.40 | frxstrem | is there a way to disable auto-mounting when removable media is inserted? |
| 01:56.49 | somiaj | yea that is the best way I have found to deal with building i386 packages on amd64 |
| 01:56.58 | damo22 | do you have to specify an extra flag to indicate that you are building a multiarch lib? |
| 01:57.07 | somiaj | the multiarch is mostly for installing multiple libaries and allowing to install a native i386 package on an amd64 system (or any other valid mix) |
| 01:57.41 | damo22 | i see, so its just a native i386 package |
| 01:57.42 | somiaj | damo22: I haven't tried to build any libs, if you are you have to specifiy multiarch compliance so the libaries are put in the right spot and don't conflict with eachother |
| 01:57.58 | damo22 | ohh right |
| 01:58.05 | somiaj | damo22: correct, a native i386 package that cna be installed. then you use the multiarch libs to install th i386 libs to run it |
| 01:58.29 | somiaj | you might want to make sure all the libs you require are already multiarch compliant |
| 01:58.35 | somiaj | again most the core ones are, there are still some that are not |
| 02:00.20 | damo22 | Multi-Arch: same means it is compliant and can install to the right place |
| 02:00.50 | damo22 | and have both versions of the lib |
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| 02:01.19 | damo22 | Multi-Arch: foreign means the same package can satisfy the dependency of both arch? |
| 02:02.18 | somiaj | note sure on that detail, not something I have ran across |
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| 02:08.56 | somiaj | ok here it is, Multi-Arch: same -- the package is co-instalable, and forign the package is forign and not coinstable |
| 02:09.35 | damo22 | somiaj: ty, i just installed pbuilder, what is the command to run it? |
| 02:09.43 | damo22 | pbuilder does not work |
| 02:09.45 | somiaj | never used pbuilder, /msg dpkg pbuilder |
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| 02:09.54 | somiaj | I build my own chroots, which is what pbuilder automates |
| 02:10.02 | damo22 | ahh right |
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| 02:13.02 | damo22 | sudo pbuilder create --distribution wheezy --architecture i386 wow :D |
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| 02:18.32 | Mr_Queue | zykotick9: I ended up doing this, looks like it will work out perfect. http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#how |
| 02:18.46 | z_z | Happy new year |
| 02:19.59 | Mr_Queue | somiaj: I agree, but I think it will be easier to update a removable volume via this rsync script rather than building new iso's as needed. Similar to how live-helper works. |
| 02:20.04 | Guest47798 | I need to open nautilus as root, but when I type 'nautilus' in terminal as root I get 'No protocol specified. Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:' |
| 02:20.24 | Mr_Queue | I guess it will be about 20-30G's, but that's fine disk space isn't an issue. The network connecting is. |
| 02:20.31 | somiaj | Guest47798: why? That sounds dangerous. |
| 02:20.45 | Mr_Queue | ^ I agree. |
| 02:22.59 | Mr_Queue | You can't make edits with a text editor like root would typically do? |
| 02:23.28 | Mr_Queue | If you need to 'see' the layout of the directory or whatever try 'tree' |
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| 02:24.41 | Guest47798 | somiaj, I need to exchange SSH keys between client and server. The key is in /root/.ssh/ So, I thought to connect to server through nautilus |
| 02:25.00 | Mr_Queue | no |
| 02:25.10 | Mr_Queue | run this from the client to the server. |
| 02:25.23 | Mr_Queue | ssh-copy-id user@remote-host.org |
| 02:25.32 | somiaj | Guest47798: you should generate a new key for your user, but for something like that just learn to use the command line to copy the files you need and give the ownership to your user. |
| 02:25.57 | somiaj | i.e. running a full filemanager just to copy over some files is overkill and you shouldn't be running things like that as root if you canhelp it |
| 02:26.02 | Mr_Queue | ssh-copy-id will also ensure the remote directory and file have the correct permissions. |
| 02:26.20 | Mr_Queue | ie.. ~/.ssh must be 700 and the files in there must be 600 |
| 02:26.31 | Mr_Queue | else keys will fial. |
| 02:26.34 | Mr_Queue | fail even |
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| 02:38.38 | Guest47798 | Mr_Queue, I used the command ssh-copy-id user@remote_ip_addr. This created authorized_keys file with key in it. Do I use the same command for the server to get keys from client? |
| 02:38.55 | Mr_Queue | yep |
| 02:39.04 | Mr_Queue | but you likely don't want them each way. |
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| 02:39.16 | Mr_Queue | you lose one box, you'll lose them all. |
| 02:39.17 | TuxFighter | Hi how can I route different ports on my root server to a service which runs only on at one fixed port ? so its like a catchall |
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| 02:39.48 | Mr_Queue | Guest47798: actually.. |
| 02:39.50 | Mr_Queue | You're done. |
| 02:39.52 | TuxFighter | i.e. service is running on 80 but should be available on 81 and 82 as well. service don´t allow multiport |
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| 02:40.07 | Mr_Queue | Now just ssh user@remote_ip_addr and verify it's good to go. |
| 02:40.20 | Mr_Queue | I don't recommend having keys each way. |
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| 02:40.56 | Mr_Queue | Same with rtunnels back to an important box.. You don't want to do that. |
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| 02:43.15 | Mr_Queue | TuxFighter: can you just add them is listening in the conf files? |
| 02:43.29 | Mr_Queue | IE sshd can listen on 22 2222 or 22222 even |
| 02:44.10 | TuxFighter | negative |
| 02:44.17 | TuxFighter | and those are UDP ports |
| 02:44.24 | TuxFighter | I just found that http://serverfault.com/questions/140622/how-can-i-port-forward-with-iptables |
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| 02:44.51 | Mr_Queue | Oh, well that's a giving.. |
| 02:45.25 | TuxFighter | yea that looks good |
| 02:45.26 | Mr_Queue | You can forward anything, but often it's easier to just tell the service to listen for it. |
| 02:45.51 | Mr_Queue | hence apache runs on 80 and 443 because you tell it to. |
| 02:46.07 | TuxFighter | yea but this service don´t support multi |
| 02:46.12 | Mr_Queue | bummer. |
| 02:46.15 | TuxFighter | ^^ |
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| 02:50.07 | Guest47798 | Mr_Queue, I am following a tutorial 'BackupPC Setup with rsync for Linux - with Root Privilege', and they recommend to exchange keys , that is server gets clent's key and client needs to get public SSH key of the server to allow the server access client's computer |
| 02:50.38 | neon__ | where to get the debian package for the user theme extentions for gnome? |
| 02:50.39 | TuxFighter | yes it works: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 8001 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.200:8080 |
| 02:50.40 | Mr_Queue | I would just pull or push, pick one and stay with it. |
| 02:50.50 | Mr_Queue | Guest47798: ^ |
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| 02:53.40 | Guest47798 | Mr_Queue, what are the risks of having both? |
| 02:54.00 | Mr_Queue | Guest47798: if either is comped you lose both. |
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| 02:56.27 | Mr_Queue | I pull backups down from several servers to one which can write to the cloud, none of which are keyed to each other. If any of the remote servers are comped, it is jailed to that server. Else, the comped remote machine would be root keyed to my gateway box, and free to jump anywhere. |
| 02:56.51 | Guest47798 | Mr_Queue, thanks |
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| 02:58.12 | Guest47798 | somiaj, thanks for responding |
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| 02:58.49 | damo22 | how do i get wine-dev on i386? |
| 02:59.11 | damo22 | for example, i need to compile a program that relies on the wine headers |
| 02:59.40 | Mr_Queue | libwine-dev? |
| 02:59.45 | damo22 | ahhh |
| 02:59.51 | damo22 | ty |
| 03:02.30 | damo22 | gosh that was so easy, apt-get install libwine-dev:i386 wine:i386 |
| 03:02.57 | Mr_Queue | yep. |
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| 03:07.27 | kveroneau | Do the Debian developer's ever plan to release songs vased around FOSS like the OpenBSD devs do for every release? |
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| 03:07.58 | Mr_Queue | No idea what that is. Have some context? |
| 03:08.58 | kveroneau | I'll grab a link to the OpenBSD songs so you'll see what I mean. They were rather creative. |
| 03:10.00 | kveroneau | http://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/ |
| 03:11.24 | Mr_Queue | Ahhhhhh... Okay, I know what you're talking about now.. |
| 03:11.39 | Mr_Queue | you might want to drop a mail to the dev list and ask. |
| 03:11.41 | kveroneau | Some of them are actually rather good. If you live FOSS, these songs are for you. Would love Debian to release songs too. Even if sold to support the Distro. |
| 03:12.12 | Mr_Queue | You''ll have better luck asking on the mailing lists than here. |
| 03:12.31 | kveroneau | It'll also add some positive PR for Debian. :) |
| 03:13.06 | kveroneau | Okay, will do. Thanks. |
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| 03:13.55 | sdcardo | Happy GNU year 2013 to everybody here! |
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| 03:15.02 | kveroneau | I'm in central time. Still a wee bit to go. how's 2013 treating you so far? |
| 03:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | kveroneau, the world has ended... that's why nobody's answering |
| 03:15.40 | Mr_Queue | Mon Dec 31 21:15:40 CST 2012 |
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| 03:16.27 | kveroneau | No... don't spoil it for me. I'm almost at 2013 too. |
| 03:16.39 | Mr_Queue | Tue Jan 1 03:16:38 UTC 2013 |
| 03:16.49 | Mr_Queue | there ya go |
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| 03:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
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| 03:23.37 | HardDisk_WP | can I make in bashscripting that *all* stdout goes to $file instead of appending > /$file to every command? |
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| 03:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/014 |
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| 03:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, ^^^ |
| 03:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | thanks, will try :) |
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| 03:31.02 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, oh crap, i'm restricted to using sh - will this work on sh, too? |
| 03:31.07 | HardDisk_WP | (the exec thing) |
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| 03:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, this is more for #bash. I was just sure this must be one of their faq's |
| 03:37.39 | Mr_Queue | yeah this is more for #bash, but I don't think you can without assigning a logfile as a variable and then just writing to that per line/function/whatever |
| 03:37.59 | Mr_Queue | Not like in perl etc, where you can just open a file. |
| 03:38.52 | rryoumaa | if i get a motherboard without ps2, and a ps2 to usb adaptor, will there be any issues with booting? |
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| 03:41.33 | Mr_Queue | Doubt it. |
| 03:41.58 | Mr_Queue | But that gear sounds nice and old. |
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| 03:47.43 | rryoumaa | (a ps2 keyboard, and a new motherboard) |
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| 04:11.41 | damo22 | sudo linux32 chroot i386root |
| 04:11.49 | damo22 | :D |
| 04:12.24 | damo22 | very powerful command |
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| 04:20.11 | rryoumaa | what does that do? |
| 04:20.16 | somiaj | damo22: note you can run programs right in the chroot, if you mount --bind certain things in you can even run grapical programs that way too (use to have to do that with 32bit until ia32-libs) |
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| 04:22.29 | damo22 | somiaj: yes i understand that |
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| 04:23.17 | deStone | anyone NOT drunk and sitting at home, bored, wanna give me some debian advice? I moved a hd over from an old machine - whats best way to identify all the hardware again and installed drivers, etc |
| 04:23.39 | somiaj | deStone: just boot up off the kernel |
| 04:23.43 | Towzzer | debian does that for you |
| 04:23.54 | deStone | hrmmmm... |
| 04:24.01 | Towzzer | it's not like windows which has a driver system |
| 04:24.06 | somiaj | deStone: as long as it is a debian kernel, it will detect all the hardware that kernel supports on bootup. there are a few issues with presistance network devices so things get nammed differently |
| 04:24.18 | deStone | i didn't realize that |
| 04:24.20 | deStone | you are geniuses |
| 04:24.32 | deStone | ok - so am i having issues because i have a realtek network card? |
| 04:24.33 | damo22 | rryoumaa:$ uname -a |
| 04:24.35 | damo22 | Linux zamserv 3.8.0-rc1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Dec 22 21:56:06 EST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:24.36 | damo22 | $ sudo linux32 chroot i386root |
| 04:24.39 | damo22 | # uname -a |
| 04:24.41 | damo22 | Linux zamserv 3.8.0-rc1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Dec 22 21:56:06 EST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:25.01 | somiaj | deStone: what issues? |
| 04:25.25 | deStone | just not detecting eth0 |
| 04:25.26 | deStone | anymore |
| 04:25.50 | somiaj | deStone: type /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 04:26.07 | somiaj | deStone: is it called eth1 now? this is what I ment by persistant network devices. they will get renamed on new hardware |
| 04:26.47 | deStone | k, lemme look |
| 04:26.50 | PryMar56 | deStone, open as root: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (you will see the old NIC lines) |
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| 04:27.21 | somiaj | yea PryMar56 told you the file that effects such naming. You can delete that file, reboot and let it redetect, or edit that file to your likings (But first see if it is detected in the first place as say eth1) |
| 04:28.22 | deStone | BTW - thanks for not treating me like an idiot - I really appreciate your helpfulness! I'm checking right now... |
| 04:28.56 | Towzzer | destone, if you have a realtek card you may want to get the drivers from their site |
| 04:29.06 | Towzzer | they are much improved over the kernel versions and the installation is very easy |
| 04:29.31 | somiaj | Towzzer: depends on the card/driver. Their drivers make it into the main line kernel with their firmware. |
| 04:30.30 | deStone | yup |
| 04:30.31 | Towzzer | does it? |
| 04:30.32 | deStone | eth3 |
| 04:30.34 | deStone | er |
| 04:30.34 | deStone | 2 |
| 04:30.50 | Towzzer | because the kernel driver is r8169 and their driver is r8168 |
| 04:30.52 | somiaj | deStone: so you can either keep calling it eth2, or delete the file PryMar56 mentioned, reboot and it will call it eth0 again |
| 04:31.02 | deStone | yeah, going that route |
| 04:31.23 | somiaj | Towzzer: it might depend on the card. I know many of their drivers eventally make it into the mainline kernel. |
| 04:31.43 | somiaj | Towzzer: but there is a delay. |
| 04:31.59 | Towzzer | all of their onboard gbits use that one driver |
| 04:32.08 | Towzzer | I've had good experience with their driver |
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| 04:33.25 | Towzzer | almost 2013 here |
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| 04:33.58 | somiaj | Towzzer: yea I rember looking into using their drivers for my wireless card and then found out it was the same as the kernel one. |
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| 05:04.09 | Shoya | Happy New Year |
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| 05:10.48 | deStone | HNY |
| 05:10.59 | deStone | able to ping localhost |
| 05:11.07 | deStone | still unable to ping anything else on network |
| 05:11.14 | deStone | ifconfig -a looks correct |
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| 05:13.48 | somiaj | deStone: can you 1) ping your eithernet cards ip addrees? 2) ping the gateway? |
| 05:14.37 | deStone | yes, no |
| 05:14.53 | deStone | 1) yes 2) no |
| 05:14.55 | deStone | sorry |
| 05:15.03 | Towzzer | what's your ip and subnet |
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| 05:15.27 | deStone | 204.12.247.102 - 255.255.255.224 |
| 05:15.33 | Towzzer | what's your gateway ip |
| 05:15.49 | deStone | 204.12.247.127 |
| 05:16.17 | deStone | sec |
| 05:17.41 | deStone | 204.12.247.97 = gw |
| 05:17.52 | deStone | 204.12.247.127 = broadcast |
| 05:17.58 | Towzzer | 96 is network |
| 05:18.21 | deStone | ye |
| 05:18.37 | Towzzer | ifconfig ethX shows the correct information? |
| 05:18.41 | deStone | CCNA sub netting up in here |
| 05:18.55 | Towzzer | I'm surprised your directly connecting without a firewall |
| 05:18.59 | Towzzer | er, NAt |
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| 05:19.24 | somiaj | deStone: how are you configuring your network? static or dhcp? |
| 05:19.32 | pmo | Towzzer, go party, then i will help you when you get bnack :) |
| 05:19.35 | Towzzer | let me see your interfaces file |
| 05:19.35 | deStone | static |
| 05:19.39 | Towzzer | paste to me |
| 05:19.50 | deStone | can't - console access only right now |
| 05:19.51 | deStone | haha |
| 05:19.53 | somiaj | deStone: yea put a copy of your interfaces file and the output of iconfig -a at paste.debian.net |
| 05:20.02 | deStone | i can type it |
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| 05:20.16 | Towzzer | is the gateway, ip and subnet proper? |
| 05:20.35 | Towzzer | can you type ethtool -i eth0 |
| 05:20.58 | Towzzer | oh that might not be installed |
| 05:21.35 | deStone | nope |
| 05:21.39 | deStone | not installed :\ |
| 05:21.52 | deStone | I am getting this kobject_add_internal error when i boot |
| 05:22.10 | deStone | i saw someone had something similar with wireless issues - i wonder if that could be related |
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| 05:23.16 | somiaj | deStone: could it be the mac address of your card changed so your isp isn't accepting info from it? |
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| 05:23.35 | deStone | nah, this is a new box in a server at datacenter |
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| 05:23.51 | deStone | though thats good thinking |
| 05:23.57 | Towzzer | arp -n |grep 'eth0' |
| 05:24.08 | Towzzer | is the ip the same there? |
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| 05:24.45 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.51 | Towzzer | I want a refund or free peanuts |
| 05:24.58 | Towzzer | slaps richardbranson |
| 05:25.08 | deStone | 204.12.247.97 |
| 05:25.13 | deStone | is what i get from the grep |
| 05:25.26 | deStone | which is gateway |
| 05:25.49 | Towzzer | yep, all good |
| 05:25.57 | sdcardo | i have a SanDisk 16MB PCMCIA pc card ata. My bios does support booting from pcmcia. Is there a currently developed distro other than tinycore that can fit into a 16MB pcmcia card? How would a desktop newbie running Wheezy go about installing it? |
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| 05:26.20 | Towzzer | 16mb is really small |
| 05:26.21 | deStone | i am trying to think of there is any other residual stuff from previous host |
| 05:26.32 | deStone | like that rules file |
| 05:26.36 | deStone | that i should delete |
| 05:26.40 | deStone | that would be causing issues |
| 05:26.41 | Towzzer | how about restarting the networking service with "service networking restart" |
| 05:26.54 | deStone | yeah, does nothing different |
| 05:27.17 | Towzzer | you can ping localhost? |
| 05:27.46 | deStone | yup |
| 05:27.52 | deStone | i can ping ip of host too |
| 05:27.59 | Towzzer | what ip |
| 05:28.10 | deStone | 204.12.247.102 |
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| 05:28.32 | Towzzer | what's that |
| 05:28.43 | Towzzer | oh you can't ping your gateway but you can ping other machines on the network? |
| 05:29.16 | Towzzer | maybe arp cache on the gateway device |
| 05:29.27 | deStone | no |
| 05:29.33 | deStone | i can't ping gateway or other machines |
| 05:29.36 | deStone | just my own ip |
| 05:29.38 | deStone | and localhost |
| 05:30.11 | Towzzer | oh, sorry |
| 05:30.41 | Towzzer | I have no idea at this point |
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| 05:31.57 | deStone | i am trying new cable |
| 05:32.04 | deStone | already tried diff port on switch |
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| 06:13.43 | deStone | i think i am missing the realtek drivers (i know, weird) |
| 06:15.09 | rue_house | isn't libtool a debian nono |
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| 06:22.06 | LetMeSpeak | I feel free |
| 06:22.12 | LetMeSpeak | I feel freedom |
| 06:22.22 | foobaru | zip your pants back up |
| 06:22.24 | LetMeSpeak | Why they mad? |
| 06:22.31 | LetMeSpeak | You should see them... |
| 06:22.37 | LetMeSpeak | cause it's crazy in here. |
| 06:22.50 | LetMeSpeak | Burn an L... |
| 06:22.52 | mvt007geek | dpkg |
| 06:22.59 | LetMeSpeak | crazy in here. |
| 06:25.05 | LetMeSpeak | Have you ever wanted to die for something? |
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| 06:27.29 | LetMeSpeak | It's too much |
| 06:27.45 | LetMeSpeak | too much to ask of normal people |
| 06:28.23 | pmo | normal people are not on irc at newyears :P |
| 06:30.07 | LetMeSpeak | I'm insane |
| 06:30.19 | LetMeSpeak | but I feel free |
| 06:31.00 | LetMeSpeak | no normal people on IRC on new years |
| 06:31.02 | mmnicolas | offtopic |
| 06:31.03 | LetMeSpeak | then I'm insane |
| 06:31.10 | mmnicolas | new years eve is offtopic |
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| 06:37.11 | LetMeSpeak | The truth is off topic |
| 06:37.41 | LetMeSpeak | As much as I've tried to deny it over the years....God is real. |
| 06:37.54 | LetMeSpeak | He's fucking real |
| 06:38.12 | LetMeSpeak | There is a God. |
| 06:39.51 | mvt007geek | do anyone know assembly? |
| 06:40.47 | alfplayer | i forgot |
| 06:41.25 | LetMeSpeak | I can't take it. |
| 06:41.49 | LetMeSpeak | This guy died on the cross for me? How can I live up to that? |
| 06:42.08 | LetMeSpeak | How the fuck can anyone live up to that!? |
| 06:42.37 | LetMeSpeak | I'm so intimidated. |
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| 06:44.34 | LetMeSpeak | I'm so high right now |
| 06:45.21 | LetMeSpeak | so fucking high |
| 06:45.43 | LetMeSpeak | can I get high enough to understand? |
| 06:46.01 | WorldGenesis_ | mvt007geek, mips assembly? :P |
| 06:46.41 | doomwake | wtf |
| 06:46.42 | LetMeSpeak | High enough to atleast touch his his feet? |
| 06:47.14 | LetMeSpeak | I don't care about anything in this life. I just want understanding. I just want clarity. |
| 06:47.30 | doomwake | Bible man |
| 06:47.43 | LetMeSpeak | I would die for it. |
| 06:47.53 | LetMeSpeak | I'd overdose for it |
| 06:48.25 | LetMeSpeak | I search for the answer to "why" |
| 06:48.30 | doomwake | you cant od on thc |
| 06:48.34 | LetMeSpeak | Why do I exist? |
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| 06:48.48 | LtL | LetMeSpeak: #debian-offtopic |
| 06:49.10 | LtL | doomwake: nah, is it trying |
| 06:49.10 | LetMeSpeak | Why? |
| 06:49.20 | LtL | nm that last remark |
| 06:49.35 | LtL | LetMeSpeak: because youre off topic |
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| 06:52.07 | zophy | happy newyear ! |
| 06:52.12 | LetMeSpeak | Not enough people search for the ultimate answer |
| 06:52.25 | zophy | it's 42 |
| 06:52.31 | HardDisk_WP | can I make a hook on every file modification in a certain directory? |
| 06:52.48 | DrakkenWarr | 42 and a Towel |
| 06:52.57 | jagginess | HardDisk_WP, the hooker package |
| 06:53.24 | jagginess | HardDisk_WP, apt-cache search hooker<enter> |
| 06:53.25 | doomwake | lol 42 |
| 06:54.15 | HardDisk_WP | jagginess, according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hooker this doesn't exist |
| 06:54.24 | jagginess | HardDisk_WP, lol.. I know.. |
| 06:54.27 | jagginess | laugh |
| 06:54.34 | zophy | i read about debian on the back of a cereal box and i thought i'd try it out |
| 06:54.52 | HardDisk_WP | jagginess, at least better than rickrolling, +10 for creativity |
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| 06:55.37 | jagginess | HardDisk_WP, welcome to the New Year! |
| 06:55.40 | HardDisk_WP | :D |
| 06:56.10 | doomwake | some good cereal |
| 06:56.27 | jagginess | somebody wants to leash every b* he owns.. lol |
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| 06:56.37 | HardDisk_WP | and modifying search terms sometimes helps. what i need is inotifywait |
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| 06:58.21 | doomwake | i have nouveau video issues anybody here an expert on nvidia drivers |
| 06:58.24 | bellundger | what would I need to do to get root to automatically encrypt all outbound email? not having much luck searching the net... |
| 06:58.30 | doomwake | wants to help me out ? |
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| 07:00.16 | ex-parrot | can someone tell me what the EFI binary is called in the grub-pc packages from testing? it seems that this one package has replaced grub-efi |
| 07:01.27 | Zerobeholder | belldundger: that is more of your SMTP daemon's domain |
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| 07:01.47 | Zerobeholder | belldundger: dig into your email settings |
| 07:02.38 | Zerobeholder | bellundger: that is your postfix or if you are a masochist sendmail... |
| 07:03.15 | bellundger | ah ok, i'll look through there...would it work with ssmtp...that's my current setup |
| 07:03.55 | Zerobeholder | other ones exist, postfix and sendmail are the two most popular-- so those were the ones I named. |
| 07:04.20 | Zerobeholder | I don't host my own email if I can help it. |
| 07:04.43 | Zerobeholder | But, not really something the OS does directly. |
| 07:05.25 | bellundger | cool thanks! |
| 07:05.40 | Zerobeholder | So, you installed something to handle the email and that set of files you installed should give you a way to do what you want-- if not, there are other packages. |
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| 07:15.43 | AlexLikeRock | feliz a#o nuevo =) |
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| 07:24.23 | deStone | yo |
| 07:24.25 | deStone | you guys still there? |
| 07:25.16 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:26.52 | mvt007geek | are linux boys attractive to women? |
| 07:27.23 | mvt007geek | it's holiday and i'm alone yet? |
| 07:27.26 | mvt007geek | :( |
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| 07:31.17 | rue_house | russian you are yes? |
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| 07:36.48 | mvt007geek | why? :D |
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| 07:40.11 | rue_house | cause of way you use words |
| 07:41.38 | un214 | you are adept at langauge detection |
| 07:41.48 | rue_house | maybe maybe not |
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| 07:50.02 | Grotesque | Whois IP said Iran |
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| 07:50.33 | jagginess | Grotesque, i think yours did :/ |
| 07:50.36 | jagginess | ducks |
| 07:50.55 | jagginess | thinks Grotesque is Grotesque |
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| 07:52.16 | jagginess | mvt007geek, you're an XY, nice try weirdo |
| 07:52.57 | jagginess | mvt007geek, I'm an XY too, but go to #debian-offtopic for the sextalk eh.. |
| 07:53.03 | jagginess | ducks |
| 07:53.06 | jagginess | again |
| 07:53.20 | jagginess | weirdos are coming around this time of year.. always the same story.. |
| 07:53.56 | mvt007geek | :D no because i'm tired i said change the mode to be happy for new year :D :D |
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| 08:01.59 | odirus | May I ask a question ? Yesterday , I found that device /dev/sda8 which had only 100MB left and mounted it at / , So I unmounted it and copy all files to another partition named /dev/sda14 , then mounted /dev/sda14 at / , But today i found it turn back to yesterday , Why ? Thank you ! |
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| 08:04.30 | somiaj | odirus: check /etc/fstab |
| 08:04.45 | somiaj | odirus: that along with grub set what the root file system is |
| 08:05.40 | odirus | somiaj: root filesystem is ext3 , Thank you ! |
| 08:05.51 | somiaj | odirus: sorry I ment root partition |
| 08:06.02 | somiaj | odirus: or the filesystem which is mounted as root, /, at boot |
| 08:06.22 | deStone | ok |
| 08:06.24 | deStone | i just fucked up |
| 08:06.31 | deStone | i am getting kernel panic - no init found |
| 08:06.43 | deStone | cause i ran inetramfs |
| 08:07.04 | somiaj | deStone: sounds like you created a bad initramfs, you may need to get a live (or recovery cd) to fix this |
| 08:07.14 | odirus | somiaj: It is /dev/sda8 |
| 08:07.53 | odirus | somiaj: But it has only 100MB left , so I need to change it |
| 08:08.07 | deStone | can i not boot into grub and then change it on the fly |
| 08:08.18 | somiaj | odirus: correct so you need to change the entry in /etc/fstab and change reconfigure grub to use the new partition as your root filesystem |
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| 08:08.49 | somiaj | deStone: I'm not familar with grub enough for that. I always use a recovery/live usb I have laying around for such things |
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| 08:09.36 | somiaj | odirus: you were correct in copying the data to a new partion (that is just fine) but you need to reconfigure your operating system to use the new partitoin (instead of the old), understand? |
| 08:09.37 | odirus | somiaj: Yes , So I changed it , But it turn back to the same as yesterday. |
| 08:10.04 | odirus | somiaj: Thank you , but my english is so bad . |
| 08:10.05 | somiaj | odirus: what did you chagne? did you change grub (running grub-update) and did you change the entery in /etc/fstab to give the UUID or partition of the new root partition? |
| 08:10.28 | somiaj | you might alos need to re run grub-install |
| 08:10.37 | somiaj | so it usses /boot/grub from the new parttion |
| 08:10.58 | odirus | somiaj: I changed partition of the new root partition |
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| 08:11.35 | somiaj | you might just have the old grub in your mbr if you didn't run grub-install from the new partition |
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| 08:13.23 | deStone | basically its saying try to pass init= option to kernel |
| 08:13.32 | odirus | somiaj: But when i last reboot my computer many times , it seems has no problem , This problem appeared today's morning |
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| 08:15.18 | odirus | somiaj: So I guess the reason is the date have changed . |
| 08:15.48 | somiaj | odirus: well I gave you places to start looking. Go double check everything is configured correctly. |
| 08:16.26 | deStone | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` `uname -r` |
| 08:16.39 | deStone | well, debian blew up and said something about uname not being valid |
| 08:16.40 | odirus | somiaj: Thank you ! I will check it . Happy new year ! |
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| 08:18.22 | somiaj | deStone: sounds like you made a bad initramfs, I personally don't know to much about it. |
| 08:18.31 | deStone | i appreciate the help |
| 08:18.36 | deStone | i did mess up |
| 08:18.37 | deStone | i am over my head |
| 08:18.40 | deStone | i am so tired |
| 08:18.40 | deStone | haha |
| 08:18.44 | somiaj | deStone: maybe get some rest |
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| 08:33.07 | deStone | what is the best tool to fix this? what a good recover cd? |
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| 08:40.30 | odirus | somiaj: Thank you , I reboot my computer and it fixed the problem itself just now . |
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| 08:53.44 | somiaj | deStone: the debian install cd's have a minimal set of recovery tools (Requiring to chroot into your install) |
| 08:54.03 | somiaj | deStone: if you need a full live enviorment you can look at live.debian.net or use other popular live cd's |
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| 08:58.22 | metaphysician | How can I use the latest X.org stack in Squeeze? My chipset needs >2.20.16 version of xserver-xorg-video-intel to work properly. |
| 08:58.42 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 08:58.43 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1 |
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| 08:59.05 | somiaj | metaphysician: you can't even get > 2.20.16 in debian (even if you went with experiemental) |
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| 08:59.36 | wols | metaphysician: which intel chip needs this version? |
| 08:59.50 | somiaj | the best you can do in squeeze is 2.15.0 from backports, you could try to backport xorg from experimential but that would only give you 2.20.14 |
| 09:00.04 | metaphysician | wols: i845G (motherboard: D845GVAD2) |
| 09:00.08 | somiaj | (And be a lot of work on your part and probablay not worth it for squeeze) |
| 09:00.27 | somiaj | metaphysician: have you tried the xorg, kernel and drivers from squeeze-backports? |
| 09:00.56 | wols | that's a 5+ year old mobo. why would it need the bleeding edge drivers? |
| 09:00.58 | Devastator | better to ask how he comes to that driver version? |
| 09:01.11 | wols | hell, 10 years |
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| 09:01.24 | Devastator | some blog tutorial perhaps?! |
| 09:01.42 | metaphysician | wols: because any version older than that causes GPU hangs and screen corruptions |
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| 09:03.14 | metaphysician | I can confirm that version works. (been using that version from xorg-edgers ppa in Ubuntu 12.04) |
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| 09:05.49 | Devastator | <somiaj> metaphysician: have you tried the xorg, kernel and drivers from squeeze-backports? |
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| 09:06.33 | metaphysician | Devastator: somiaj: No, I'll try. |
| 09:07.10 | metaphysician | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.45 | metaphysician | babilen: ^ |
| 09:09.43 | Devastator | debian sometimes includes those patches upstream without changing the version, so you might wanna try the packages from backports as well |
| 09:10.08 | Devastator | not only the driver, but kernel and xorg |
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| 09:38.16 | ag4ve | i've got /dev/input/mouse[01] how do i create two "InputDevice"s? |
| 09:38.54 | ag4ve | one is a trackpad and the other is the little eracer thing |
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| 09:51.08 | somiaj | ag4ve: They should just work, at least my two both work just fine with no effort |
| 09:51.23 | somiaj | ag4ve: though mine is a touch pad and a usb mouse |
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| 09:54.50 | ag4ve | so, right now the nub thing doesn't work at all. i would like them in seperate stanzas so that i can use xinput to enable/disable one or the other |
| 09:56.58 | somiaj | ag4ve: that works for me to, sounds like either your kernel and/or xorg isn't detecting the device (does the kernel detect it)? |
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| 10:16.34 | shingouz | ag4ve: i have a vague recollection that some laptops were able to choose the pointing device in the bios or with some software utility. thinkpads can have some really gucci hardware |
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| 11:37.30 | faheem | hi. what is the recommended way to attach a file to a debian bug report. should i just email a message with an attachment? |
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| 11:44.49 | ChrisH | faheem: IIRC I did it that way. |
| 11:45.14 | faheem | ChrisH: ok, thanks |
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| 12:12.21 | zophy | yolo |
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| 12:43.39 | rgr | no it doesnt create anything in a wine menu in most cases |
| 12:43.55 | rgr | more likely "other" |
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| 13:44.05 | jjdkfkf | nick cubensis |
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| 13:44.53 | cubensis | hi |
| 13:44.59 | Towzzer | hi |
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| 13:45.56 | cubensis | how can i switch from HDMI audio (audio to the tv) and laptop audio? i've connected my laptop to the tv. I'm using debian wheezy with openbox. |
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| 13:47.09 | cubensis | i know it's possible to send the audio to the tv. It's a pulseaudio-thing. The problem is that last time it worked i was using gnome instead of openbox and now i cant find a "pulseaudio mixer" |
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| 13:47.13 | cubensis | how can i do? |
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| 13:48.35 | cubensis | at the moment the video is ok (i have laptop to the left , with xrandr, and HDMI1 to the right) the only problem is that when i play something with vlc i still have the output on the laptop |
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| 13:48.58 | cubensis | (and the video on the tv) |
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| 13:51.06 | cubensis | ah, happy new year |
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| 13:53.31 | cubensis | Towzzer: any advice ? |
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| 13:56.57 | cubensis | what is the usual mixer used on gnome? |
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| 13:57.23 | cubensis | !gnome mixer |
| 13:58.04 | PerfDave | Can anybody recommend a tool that will take a phrase and generate likely variations of it based on typo patterns? |
| 13:58.30 | Towzzer | I don't know anything about gui linux stuff |
| 13:59.06 | petemc | PerfDave: android keyboard does that pretty well |
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| 14:23.03 | phix | hey, I want to find out the filename that uses a particular block number, how does one do this? |
| 14:23.08 | phix | I am using LVM and ext4 |
| 14:23.28 | phix | block is 1533296512 and block size of all of my ext4 filesystems are 4096 |
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| 14:29.05 | Egon | is there a web frontend for moc? |
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| 14:29.59 | zykotick9 | Egon: i highly doubt it. you might want to check out mpd (if you haven't already, but TBH I don't know if it has a web frontend either) |
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| 14:30.42 | Egon | oh yeah, i forgot about that one |
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| 14:31.10 | zykotick9 | Egon: i used moc for a long time, but after finding ncmpcpp it's gone to my dustbin of history |
| 14:33.55 | Egon | i will look at that one as well. |
| 14:34.58 | Egon | i want to play with a lot of web ui', it is rather fun |
| 14:35.23 | Egon | added the transmission-daemon addon to my install script |
| 14:36.06 | Egon | can any of those webuis you entioned alter the volume sliders of the alsamixer? |
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| 14:38.44 | PerfDave | phix: Is that block the block on the physical disk? |
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| 14:42.11 | phix | PerfDave: that is block on physical, logged in dmesg |
| 14:42.29 | phix | [439001.561991] raid1: sdb: unrecoverable I/O read error for block 1533296512 |
| 14:42.45 | PerfDave | phix: Oh, so it's a RAID as well as LVM? :) |
| 14:42.49 | phix | yup |
| 14:42.54 | PerfDave | You didn't mention that :) |
| 14:42.54 | phix | raid first, then LVM ontop |
| 14:42.59 | phix | ah yes sorry :) |
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| 14:43.37 | phix | I would like to know the filename of that block, or if it is just free space inwhich I can dd zero to it |
| 14:44.09 | PerfDave | What is your RAID setup? |
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| 14:50.11 | andycolla | salve |
| 14:50.15 | andycolla | !list |
| 14:50.16 | dpkg | andycolla: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 14:50.20 | xand | andycolla: go away |
| 14:50.38 | andycolla | why? |
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| 14:50.57 | xand | why did you come and go "!list"? |
| 14:51.01 | xand | it's really annoying. |
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| 14:52.09 | benben159 | !list |
| 14:52.09 | dpkg | benben159: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 14:52.28 | benben159 | =)) |
| 14:52.53 | tensorpudding | does anyone know why lame wasn't included in debian until wheezy... |
| 14:53.27 | themill | tensorpudding: http://bugs.debian.org/90091 should say, I think |
| 14:53.53 | tensorpudding | the patent issues of mp3 were resolved a long time ago, i thought |
| 14:55.25 | tensorpudding | that doesn't explain anything anyway |
| 14:56.32 | tensorpudding | well what's a less pain in the ass here, setting up the multimedia repo, setting up wheezy backports, or just copying the stuff to my ubuntu machine |
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| 14:57.15 | themill | it's in squeeze-backports; avoiding dmm is always a good plan. |
| 14:57.34 | tensorpudding | that's what i meant, backporting it from wheezy to squeeze |
| 14:57.50 | tensorpudding | this box shouldn't have either though |
| 14:58.18 | tensorpudding | i'm only using it because i couldn't get flac to work on the ubuntu machine and i can't figure out why |
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| 14:58.34 | tensorpudding | rather, it seems to have some kind of bug |
| 14:58.40 | krisfremen | can't get flac to work/ |
| 14:58.47 | krisfremen | just use some sane media player |
| 14:58.59 | tensorpudding | i don't want flac, i want to transcode them |
| 14:59.04 | tensorpudding | it's wasting space |
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| 15:01.57 | zykotick9 | tensorpudding: ogg is better then mp3 (in both technical specs and for freedom), but obviously mp3 is defacto-standard unfortunatly... just sayin' |
| 15:01.58 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Anybody knows what the "Switch system controls directly" keybinding (ctrl+als+esc) does? |
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| 15:03.40 | themill | Ctrl+Alt+ESC is normally xkill. |
| 15:03.56 | tensorpudding | but now i'm curious what that flac bug could have been |
| 15:04.15 | tensorpudding | probably just corrupted files, the ubuntu version of flac is at the exact same patchlevel as the debian |
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| 15:12.27 | Thomas_de_Graaff | @themill that's what I want to use it for.. but in Debian Wheezy it seems to be bound to some other functionality. |
| 15:13.14 | themill | I assume you mean "in gnome". It's still xkill in kde. |
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| 15:19.09 | Pizza90 | hi all, does someone know if debian wheezy uses jockey as driver manager? because i want to try it but i dont know if it uses jockey or not, because on ubuntu 12.04 jockey is bugged and unusable :/ |
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| 15:27.06 | Granjow | How can I fix this when starting firefox: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:27.29 | Granjow | (Actually, firefox does not start then.) |
| 15:28.23 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: debian != ubuntu... just saying. |
| 15:28.26 | themill | Granjow: "aptitude install iceweasel" works just fine in debian. |
| 15:29.01 | Granjow | zykotick9: I downloaded firefox from the mozilla web page. Not an Ubuntu system. |
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| 15:29.29 | zykotick9 | Granjow: i wasn't talking to you. but using mozilla's firefox in debian is silly. use iceweasel. |
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| 15:30.16 | themill | Granjow: you might want to look at http;//mozilla.debian.net/ for newer iceweasels. |
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| 15:30.23 | Granjow | Why is it silly? |
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| 15:30.27 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: why silly?isn't just firefox rebranded? |
| 15:30.48 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, how to reenable kernel module removed by rmmod |
| 15:30.51 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: yes. but it's packaged/tested on debian. |
| 15:31.05 | PerfDave | Because Iceweasel is all nicely packaged for Debian, and Firefox isn't? |
| 15:31.11 | lucho | Visit mozilla.debian.net and follow the instructions ;) |
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| 15:31.56 | lucho | Iceweasel is a fork of firefox |
| 15:32.43 | zykotick9 | lucho: fork is a strong word for it... rebranded |
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| 15:33.31 | Granjow | Assuming that I don't want to install iceweasel just yet. How can I fix the libxul.so error message? |
| 15:34.05 | xand | Granjow: are you on 64-bit? |
| 15:34.10 | themill | Granjow: assuming that you don't want to do meaningless work, why not just install iceweasel? |
| 15:34.29 | Granjow | xand: Yes. |
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| 15:34.43 | xand | Granjow: did you get the 64-bit firefox? it's very hidden away |
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| 15:35.09 | Granjow | xand: I added i386 via multiarch, but obviously not the right libraries. |
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| 15:35.33 | Granjow | xand: No, didn't, it worked fine so far until I ran apt today |
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| 15:36.03 | xand | oh. |
| 15:36.29 | themill | Granjow: so what did you do with apt today? |
| 15:36.35 | xand | I always use the one at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/17.0.1/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-17.0.1.tar.bz2 - because iceweasel in stable is old |
| 15:37.00 | zykotick9 | xand: mozilla.debian.net provides updated versions |
| 15:37.10 | themill | no, experimental for wheezy/sid |
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| 15:37.21 | xand | also some sites I use doesn't work in iceweasel :| |
| 15:37.29 | zykotick9 | themill: which m.d.n will direct them to ;) |
| 15:37.33 | xand | *don't |
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| 15:37.48 | themill | zykotick9: so you could just say "use experimental" ;) |
| 15:38.04 | damo22 | anyone know if wine comes with opengl support by default in debian? |
| 15:38.27 | rozie | xand: can you give example of such a site? |
| 15:38.38 | zykotick9 | rozie: i highly doubt it... ;) |
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| 15:38.54 | Granjow | themill: apt-get dist-upgrade, I'm on sid |
| 15:39.16 | rozie | zykotick9: I know one. and "doesn't work" is "not all features are working |
| 15:39.27 | rozie | it's one of MS sites |
| 15:39.28 | rozie | ;) |
| 15:39.40 | pmurias | is there a way to use broadcom BCM43142 wifi card on debian wheezy? |
| 15:39.49 | zykotick9 | rozie: oh, big loss. but firefox works? that's odd. |
| 15:40.09 | lucho | And this ms site works in firefox? |
| 15:40.10 | rozie | but i guess it doesn't work on any browser exept IE |
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| 15:40.20 | zykotick9 | rozie: lol |
| 15:40.21 | rozie | lucho: not fully |
| 15:40.37 | lucho | :/ |
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| 15:41.14 | Pizza90 | does someone know if wheezy uses jockey as driver manager? |
| 15:41.15 | rozie | pmurias: take a look on http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 15:42.24 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: you question is almost impossible to answer currently. i use wheezy without any "driver manager", so my answer would be NO. but someone with gnome/kde might use it? |
| 15:43.13 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: oh so debian doesnt offer to the user to install opensource/close drivers as ubuntu does? |
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| 15:43.46 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: not really. you can just install the drivers you need (if any) manually. |
| 15:44.06 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: oh thanks :) |
| 15:44.07 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: i'd guess jockey is available though |
| 15:44.37 | Pizza90 | jockey on ubuntu 12.04 is unusable on amd64 with closed drivers because of a bug they introduce fixing nvidia ones :P |
| 15:44.44 | Pizza90 | that's why i want to switch to debian |
| 15:44.58 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: guess i'm wrong though. "apt-cache search jockey" on my wheezy reveals nothing... |
| 15:45.46 | pmurias | rozie: my particular card is not mentioned there |
| 15:45.49 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: BUT i don't have contrib/non-free! |
| 15:45.52 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: oh ok, is wheezy stable enough for a daily usage? |
| 15:45.55 | Pizza90 | ahh ok! |
| 15:46.14 | dvs | ,v jockey |
| 15:46.15 | judd | No package named 'jockey' was found in i386. |
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| 15:46.37 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: well, only "stable" is stable. YMMV. i'm liking wheezy a lot though. |
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| 15:47.12 | rozie | Pizza90: yes. in most cases even unsable is stable enough |
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| 15:47.33 | Pizza90 | thank you :) |
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| 15:48.13 | Mohsen_Hassani | What is `ses` command? It's a fedora command. What is the similar command for debian? |
| 15:48.35 | boudiccas | Mohsen_Hassani: and what does 'ses' do? |
| 15:48.54 | pmurias | is there a way to change from i686 to amd64? |
| 15:49.04 | zykotick9 | pmurias: sure, reinstall. |
| 15:49.38 | wols | pmurias: or you can run a amd64 kernel in your i386 installation |
| 15:50.10 | zykotick9 | pmurias: be aware that wols suggestion is 64bit kernel and 32bit userland. |
| 15:50.21 | pmurias | is that a problem? |
| 15:50.38 | boudiccas | pmurias: not for us |
| 15:50.43 | pmurias | heh |
| 15:51.18 | rozie | pmurias: listed as not supported here http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices |
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| 15:51.38 | lucho | Bye! :) |
| 15:51.45 | pmurias | boudiccas: will that be a problem for me? the only reason is that I need to use an amd64 driver ported over from dell's ubuntu |
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| 15:52.20 | boudiccas | pmurias: no idea, which version of debian are you using? |
| 15:52.49 | progme | So... nvidia's Optimus is obnoxious. |
| 15:53.18 | Egon | optimus works fine over here |
| 15:53.29 | pmurias | boudiccas: debian 3.2.35-2 |
| 15:53.34 | Mohsen_Hassani | boudiccas, Well this is the stupid virus/spam, called `f Opyum Team`, and it's run all by itself eating up the RAM and does not allow me to connect to my VPSs using ssh, it also downloads some X files... Googling I noticed I can kill this virus/spam using the `ses` command in fedora. |
| 15:53.35 | Mohsen_Hassani | boudiccas, This is the link, it case you can help... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/server-hacked-by-opyum-874288/ |
| 15:53.36 | progme | Egon: what driver are you running and what card do you have? |
| 15:53.38 | Egon | if you want it to run all the time in linux just add it to the xinit script |
| 15:53.45 | Egon | 680m |
| 15:54.05 | progme | do you know what driver version? |
| 15:54.15 | pmurias | boudiccas: it's a fresh install so I'm not really attached to it |
| 15:54.17 | Egon | i am at work on a windows machine sadly |
| 15:54.22 | boudiccas | pmurias: thats not a debian version, that would be something like squeeze, wheezy, lenny, etch, etc |
| 15:54.31 | progme | Egon: are you on testing? |
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| 15:54.35 | Egon | yes |
| 15:54.40 | rozie | pmurias: http://jas.gemnetworks.com/wireless-bcm43142/ |
| 15:54.44 | Egon | but i also have the sid repos added at low prio |
| 15:54.55 | progme | Egon: that should be 304.xx |
| 15:55.04 | Egon | no i have 310 |
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| 15:55.31 | progme | Egon: did you get it from apt or nvidia.com? |
| 15:55.35 | Egon | massive speed increase in fps in serious sam3 |
| 15:55.42 | Egon | nvidia.com |
| 15:55.49 | progme | ah |
| 15:55.50 | zykotick9 | 310 is in experimental |
| 15:56.16 | Egon | zykotick9: perhaps it should be, some lower end cards has had problems |
| 15:56.36 | rozie | pmurias: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175104/how-do-i-install-bcm43142-wireless-drivers-for-dell-vostro-3460-3560 - looks like it's possible to get this working for Ubuntu, so it should work with Debian too |
| 15:56.51 | progme | Egon: are you on a laptop? |
| 15:56.54 | rozie | a little work and kernel change may be required |
| 15:57.18 | Egon | rozie: yes but the firmware is not in a package with all in them. install the bc firmwares and it will have all the needed files |
| 15:58.06 | Egon | progme: yes my home terminal is a laptop. |
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| 15:58.47 | Egon | all coding is done on the dell blades in the basement through ssh though |
| 15:59.01 | progme | Either way... I disabled Optimus in the bios and everything just started working. I tried 3 distros before I caved and went to xubuntu. I found the suggestion to disable Optimus on ubuntu forums |
| 15:59.22 | Egon | progme: if you have a recent optimus not from lenovo you can not disable optimus |
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| 15:59.33 | Egon | it is a lenovo only feature |
| 15:59.40 | progme | I don't have lenovo |
| 15:59.45 | progme | I have a dell m6700 |
| 15:59.52 | Egon | the older 100x chips had disable possibility |
| 16:00.03 | Egon | then you can not disable it in bios |
| 16:00.08 | progme | But i did |
| 16:00.13 | Egon | huh? |
| 16:00.18 | progme | Would you like a picture? |
| 16:00.22 | Egon | can you run nvidia only? |
| 16:00.25 | Egon | yes please |
| 16:00.27 | Guest42545 | I am failing to copy a directory from local to remote computer uing scp comman. I get Host key verification failed. lost connection . The command I use scp -r user@local_ip:/home/user/dir_name user@remote_ip:/home/user/. |
| 16:00.28 | progme | Apparently so |
| 16:00.35 | progme | ok give me 5 minutes |
| 16:01.17 | Egon | then dell has either gotten the code that lenovo has, or they have cracked it somehow. As nvidia has rigorous prevention scheemes to prevent people using it in XP and vista |
| 16:02.14 | Egon | they claim it is incompatible, but i saw a person on youtube using optimus2x on XP via a switcher a few months ago |
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| 16:02.50 | pmurias | boudiccas: wheezy |
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| 16:04.00 | pmurias | rozie: there is a debian package on github but it's only for amd64 |
| 16:04.10 | progme | Egon: had to find my camera bag |
| 16:04.13 | progme | another 5 minutes |
| 16:04.16 | Egon | np |
| 16:04.19 | Egon | take your time |
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| 16:05.04 | rozie | pmurias: you have x86 with such a modern card? |
| 16:05.10 | Egon | if it works on lenovo's and dell's machines now then the god damn fujitsu-siemens better get their act together |
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| 16:05.58 | Egon | progme: are you certain that it is not a optimus1 series? |
| 16:06.25 | Egon | all cards before the 600 geforces are optimus1 |
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| 16:07.19 | pmurias | rozie: by x86 you mean 32bit? |
| 16:07.28 | Egon | pmurias: yes he does |
| 16:07.30 | pmurias | rozie: I got the laptop for christmas |
| 16:07.32 | pmurias | rozie: yes |
| 16:07.37 | boudiccas | pmurias: ah, another wheezy-ite :) welcome to the testing club :) re your 64-bit kernel, try it and see, if it doesn't work just reboot and choose another kernel, and then delete the 64-bit kernel, if it does work then everything is golden |
| 16:08.39 | Egon | rozie: there are several reasons to still run 32bit-pae kernels |
| 16:08.48 | Guest42545 | I can copy file from remote computer using scp , but not a directory . Is there a different command for coping directory through ssh? |
| 16:09.05 | pmurias | Egon: I didn't give the choice much thought |
| 16:09.06 | progme | Egon: i have a quadro k4000m |
| 16:09.22 | pmurias | Egon: it was just what I was previously running ;) |
| 16:09.45 | pmurias | so I should reinstall to amd64? |
| 16:09.57 | valdyn | Guest42545: as usual "-r" |
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| 16:12.04 | Egon | progme: cool since GK104 is a slower clocked version of the 680m GTX/Ultra that i have but with more cuda cores. |
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| 16:12.09 | Guest42545 | valdin, then why do I get Host key verification failed. I even tried to erase the keys from known_hosts file |
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| 16:12.23 | Egon | pmurias: no you should not |
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| 16:12.54 | Egon | pmurias: even though reinstall is fast, reinstalls are generally not needed |
| 16:13.05 | boodie | Hi (deb squeeze): I have a HP Deskjet USB printer, connected to my desktop LINUX box, that I wish to share with a Window$8 laptop. Would samba be the answer, or would CUPS be sufficient? |
| 16:13.12 | pmurias | Egon: what should I do than? |
| 16:13.46 | progme | Egon: http://i.imgur.com/BRCDJ.jpg |
| 16:13.57 | Towzzer | that enables or disables the optimus prime function |
| 16:14.04 | Towzzer | your computer will turn into a truck! |
| 16:14.29 | pmurias | Egon: the drivers are only in a binary form for amd64 and using the laptop without wifi is not really an option |
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| 16:14.55 | valdyn | boodie: cups is sufficient |
| 16:14.56 | Egon | pmurias: what exact driver is only in binary? |
| 16:15.15 | valdyn | boodie: windows supports cups directly |
| 16:15.17 | Egon | boodie: there are print engines from hp available in debian repos |
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| 16:16.50 | valdyn | ls |
| 16:17.09 | dvs | dir~ |
| 16:17.36 | boodie | Right ... but window$ is bad enough ... the search for shared printer has failed ... should I do something on the CUPS side? |
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| 16:17.57 | valdyn | boodie: cups by default is configured to allow only local access iirc |
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| 16:18.15 | valdyn | boodie: the windows side should be as easy as entering the printer URL |
| 16:18.21 | boodie | valdyn: iirc? |
| 16:18.28 | valdyn | !iirc |
| 16:18.29 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 16:19.17 | ag4ve | how do i figure out what run level i'm at if it isn't listed in the process list? |
| 16:19.24 | KsM | who -r |
| 16:19.26 | wols | "runlevel" |
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| 16:19.57 | noRulez | happy new year =) |
| 16:19.58 | boodie | So, I don't need to touch CUPS settings at all ... |
| 16:20.02 | Towzzer | happy new year sir |
| 16:20.03 | valdyn | boodie: that url looks like "http://192.168.1.1:631/printers/printername". You can try that url with a webbrowser aswell |
| 16:20.21 | valdyn | boodie: why? i told you that cups doesnt allow remote access by default |
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| 16:21.39 | boodie | Aha! Interesting ... my router is at 192.168.0.1, therefore "http://192.168.0.1:631/printers/printername". |
| 16:21.42 | Egon | wheee! my boss is serving champagne at work! =D |
| 16:22.07 | progme | why are you working on new years? |
| 16:22.10 | dvs | Working today? |
| 16:22.30 | boodie | valdyn: I assume, from what you say, that I should actually enable the remote access ... |
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| 16:22.39 | noRulez | Egon, nice |
| 16:22.46 | noRulez | My boss giveme job =/ |
| 16:22.59 | ag4ve | ah thanks |
| 16:23.37 | Guest42545 | valdin, thank, it works, I hust had to put -r before the directory name instead of after it |
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| 16:24.49 | valdyn | boodie: you can see the listening adress at "netstat -plunt | grep cupsd". |
| 16:25.40 | valdyn | boodie: yes you most probably need to enable remote access |
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| 16:27.17 | boodie | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/220826/ |
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| 16:31.01 | Egon | progme: new years DAY |
| 16:31.06 | Egon | new years was yesterday |
| 16:31.41 | Egon | dvs: ofcourse i work newyears day... i am probably insane |
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| 16:32.08 | dvs | yup |
| 16:32.29 | Egon | pmurias: it worked did'nt it? |
| 16:33.08 | Egon | as long as your chip is LCN classed and as i know the deviceID i assume it is. |
| 16:33.15 | Egon | see, no need to reinstall |
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| 16:48.21 | moe94 | Hello all |
| 16:48.54 | moe94 | I have a problem getting the wireless to work. I followed the debian wiki guide and I still can't find any wireless networks |
| 16:49.05 | noRulez | shi |
| 16:49.13 | moe94 | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 16:49.28 | moe94 | I have a realtek rtl 8191SE chip |
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| 16:57.35 | herdingcat | hi, does debian have "software group" like in Fedora? |
| 16:57.59 | herdingcat | I would like to remove a group of software in a specific group. |
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| 16:58.44 | PerfDave | herdingcat: What's a "software group" like in Fedora? :) |
| 16:59.26 | herdingcat | PerfDave, like all games are in a group named Games |
| 16:59.33 | yeats | herdingcat: there are some metapackages that do the same thing, but no |
| 16:59.42 | herdingcat | PerfDave, all devel tools in a specific groups. |
| 16:59.58 | herdingcat | yeats, what metapackages? |
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| 17:00.46 | yeats | herdingcat: depends on what you're after - a good example is build-essential which is intended for building deb packages but is somewhat analogous to "Development Tools" in Fedora |
| 17:00.55 | dvs | moe94: "iwlist wlan0 scan" doesn't list anything? |
| 17:01.01 | herdingcat | PerfDave, I wanna remove all sounds and multimedia packages |
| 17:01.15 | herdingcat | PerfDave, Do I have to remove one by one? |
| 17:01.35 | yeats | herdingcat: (I know you're addressing PerfDave but) probably |
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| 17:02.07 | herdingcat | yeats, not convenient... |
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| 17:02.26 | yeats | herdingcat: well, that's an unusual use case, I'm sure you'll agree |
| 17:03.21 | PerfDave | herdingcat: Packages are grouped by task and tag, you can use aptitude to manipulate packages by those, but I'm not 100% sure how. |
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| 17:05.35 | herdingcat | PerfDave, I'm using aptitude, seems work |
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| 17:10.06 | herdingcat | PerfDave, I have marked "d" in those packages how do I remove that? |
| 17:10.15 | herdingcat | I mean remove those packages |
| 17:13.08 | boodie | I have a HP Deskjet USB printer, connected to my desktop LINUX box, that I wish to share with a Window$8 laptop. where can I get the printer's IP, from CUPS?? |
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| 17:14.52 | invariant | boodie, that's not how it works. |
| 17:15.05 | invariant | boodie, the printer has no ip. |
| 17:15.23 | invariant | boodie, however, you can use something like samba to share it. |
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| 17:16.04 | damo22 | any reason why opengl is missing from wine1.4 package? |
| 17:16.26 | invariant | damo22, your question is rather wrong to begin with. |
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| 17:16.47 | invariant | damo22, first of all there is no such thing as a wine1.4 package. |
| 17:18.11 | invariant | damo22, my mistake. I thought I was in a different channel. |
| 17:18.43 | boodie | invariant: Ok, so CUPS would not be enough? |
| 17:18.53 | invariant | boodie, no |
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| 17:19.45 | damo22 | my bad, i was missing libwine-gl |
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| 17:20.02 | invariant | boodie, also, there is no need to refer to Windows like Window$. It's not like it makes you cool if you say it like that. |
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| 17:22.40 | boodie | OK - I will stop denigrating Windows ... so, coming back to SAMBA ... the various windows versions require different settings, am I right? |
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| 17:25.20 | invariant | boodie, there is enough documentation on Samba about your problem to solve it. |
| 17:27.08 | invariant | boodie, it's unlikely that the protocol has completely changed, because that would mean that all old Windows systems would become incompatible too. |
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| 17:27.30 | invariant | (in which case nobody would ever upgrade Windows in the first place) |
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| 17:30.50 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, cups would be enough to share the printer with Windows. |
| 17:31.09 | pats_Toms | hi, I have interesting problem, I have alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 17:31.15 | pats_Toms | but I can't run alsamixer |
| 17:31.26 | pats_Toms | before some time everything was ok with sound |
| 17:31.39 | pats_Toms | any ideas? |
| 17:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | pats_Toms: Which release? |
| 17:32.17 | pats_Toms | I don't have debian :/ |
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| 17:35.36 | xand | pats_Toms: then why ask here? |
| 17:35.43 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 17:35.58 | pats_Toms | sorry, I use debian on other pc |
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| 17:36.06 | zophy | JWM is just cool en ough for me |
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| 17:38.41 | noRulez | i want to know if exists one method for storage(pendrive) lock but unlock usb to use mouse? |
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| 17:39.09 | xand | pats_Toms: well if you are having problems on that PC you can say what version it is |
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| 17:47.24 | boodie | Hi (deb squeeze): how I restart samba? |
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| 17:48.41 | f8l | boodie: Probably `/etc/init.d/samba restart`. I'm not a samba user, so I'm not sure. |
| 17:50.07 | boodie | bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory |
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| 17:51.16 | f8l | boodie: Maybe samba4? |
| 17:51.17 | xand | smbd |
| 17:51.43 | xand | oh, no, it is samba |
| 17:52.18 | xand | boodie: if you don't have /etc/init.d/samba you don't have samba installed (properly) |
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| 17:52.55 | f8l | xand: samba4 package provides /etc/init.d/samba4, so it may not be true. |
| 17:52.58 | boodie | I suspected so ... |
| 17:53.03 | boodie | Damn! |
| 17:53.18 | noRulez | samba is from bril |
| 17:53.21 | noRulez | brasil |
| 17:53.24 | noRulez | on february |
| 17:53.26 | noRulez | =) |
| 17:53.26 | xand | brazil |
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| 17:54.01 | noRulez | samba on foot |
| 17:54.06 | noRulez | nice 2013 for all |
| 17:54.17 | noRulez | bye |
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| 18:02.47 | boodie | Ok, re-installed samba ... restarted ... now ... window$8 asks for the name/address of the printer ... how do I find the right answers? |
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| 18:04.25 | karlpinc | boodie: It's probably the workgroup name in /etc/samba/smb.conf. I poke it with a stick until it works. the faqs at samba.org are good. |
| 18:06.26 | karlpinc | boodie: The most you need to do is restart samba. /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 18:09.48 | fen | hello |
| 18:12.43 | fen | i seach in the repository a tool which helps me to decide which laptop i should buy. and i am wondering not to find anthing with: "aptitude search buy" or "decide". any hints? |
| 18:13.03 | sney | unfortunately it's not that easy |
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| 18:13.46 | sney | but www.thinkwiki.org has a lot of good information about linux support for thinkpads, which many people prefer. also, it's more about determining whether the linux kernel supports whatever hardware a certain laptop has. |
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| 18:15.41 | fen | it should let me give points to some deciding-arguments... for example i want to give +1 point for esata-connection and +1 for hdmi... but hdmi should be priorized to "must have" while esata is "should have" |
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| 18:17.21 | fen | yea... thinkpad would be nice... unfortunately on argument is: prize <=500 eur (a used one, about a year old would be good enough) |
| 18:17.25 | zykotick9 | i've got a sound issue. i'm only using alsa, no pulse at all. after installing the firmware for my hauppauge tv card, alsa seems to be using it by default. "cat /proc/asound.cards" lists 0 as the hauppauge and 1 as the real sound card. I've manage to switch mpd/alsamixer/etc to use this card, but i'm not getting sound in iceweasel (and solutions i've read seem to suggest trying to move my real sound card back to 0). So, how do i reorder th |
| 18:17.53 | nkuttler | fen: there are several thinkpad models below 500, new |
| 18:17.54 | boodie | Hi: thanks ... it works. Actually I set CUPS to accept remote connections, then in windows, I gave this printer address "http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/Officejet_4500_G510a-f", where 192.168.0.2 is the address of my linux box, according to the router, and Officejet_4500_G510a-f is the printer name in CUPS |
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| 18:18.59 | deStone | So last night, I ran mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` `uname -r` and am now looking at a jacked up grub that won't boot (kernel panic) -- what can i do to resolve this? |
| 18:19.22 | deStone | boot into live cd and then what? I am at wits end ... |
| 18:19.25 | sney | boodie, try creating a class for that printer in cups and using that instead. for some reason, windows clients have an easier time using cups classes than direct cups printers |
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| 18:19.29 | fen | nkuttler: yep... one argument would be: "is a thinkpad... give +1 point" unfortunately one gets more hardware for the same prize... in the ent the prize decides among those with enough points |
| 18:19.30 | GNU\colossus | deStone, how does booting up fail, exactly? |
| 18:19.36 | sney | fen, refurbished T61? |
| 18:19.46 | sney | no esata or hdmi though |
| 18:20.02 | deStone | GNU: it starts to boot - but it goes into kernel panic |
| 18:20.09 | GNU\colossus | the specifics are important. |
| 18:20.15 | deStone | ok, one second |
| 18:20.18 | deStone | i'll give you the actual error |
| 18:20.33 | fen | sney: hdi/displayport/dvi is a must... alternativly a docking-station with digital out (not over usb2) |
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| 18:21.03 | aauthor | I installed compiz according to this guide: wiki.debian.org/compiz, but when I run "compiz --replace" everything but the desktop disappears. Any idea where I might have turned wrong? |
| 18:21.07 | sney | last I checked the docking stations do have DVI out as far back as the T4x series. |
| 18:21.23 | fen | but first i seach a tool which helps deciding... and not only for a new laptop... more general |
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| 18:21.42 | nkuttler | fen: your brain has to do the deciding part |
| 18:21.43 | sney | fen, a spreadsheet. |
| 18:22.01 | fen | *g* laziness ^^ |
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| 18:22.21 | nkuttler | fen: anyway, do you have any debian support questions? |
| 18:22.51 | deStone | GNU: not syncing no init found |
| 18:22.53 | fen | my brain is just that long... when there comes SO much information about laptops in it... there something as to go ;-) |
| 18:23.13 | sney | right, so you write it down in a spreadsheet so you don't have to memorize every model's specs. |
| 18:23.23 | sney | and then you can look at them side by side. |
| 18:23.42 | sney | and really - do NOT discount the importance of making sure both video and network hardware are supported. |
| 18:23.47 | boodie | sney: creating a class derived from the printer properties? |
| 18:24.07 | fen | nkuttler: the originating question was, if there is a spezialized tool for that in the repository and someone here knows about it |
| 18:24.18 | nkuttler | fen: no |
| 18:24.21 | sney | boodie, in the cups web interface you can just create a new class and add your existing printer to it. then you get http://server:631/classes/foo that you can input on your client |
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| 18:24.39 | deStone | try passing init = option to kernel |
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| 18:26.15 | fen | nevermind. thanks. if someone has an idea, please query me |
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| 18:34.02 | pbxbrian | Leap second last night? |
| 18:35.11 | JoeHazzers | why? has it caused hilariously high mysql load again? |
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| 18:39.19 | dvs | That Java leap second problem is still there? |
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| 18:43.35 | boodie | bye, thanks |
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| 18:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | fen: No, there is no such tool. |
| 18:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | fen: The only resources are several web pages where people self-report on how well installation on certain hardware went. |
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| 18:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | fen: Unfortunately, manufacturers change hardware so quickly, esepcially on laptops that even those can be useless. |
| 18:53.43 | jhutchins_wk | fen: Your best bet is to find a manufacturer who has a goood record of linux support and just take a shot. |
| 18:54.22 | lszyba1 | Hello, |
| 18:54.23 | lszyba1 | Due to recent power outage my fsck ext3 created a lot of "cheese holes" in my root system aka a lot of folder are broken/missing. One of the is apt. apt folders got erased so it looks like it has no information on what packages are installed. If I try to install something I get |
| 18:54.23 | lszyba1 | E: Cannot get debconf version. Is debconf installed? |
| 18:54.23 | lszyba1 | debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 18:54.23 | lszyba1 | ....Is there a way to repair apt, or rescue the system somehow... |
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| 18:54.44 | PerfDave | TBH I'm not that bothered by Thinkpads ever since Lenovo started doing them :) |
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| 18:56.37 | cra1g321 | lmao @ debhelper kicking that user |
| 18:57.01 | sney | this is your brain on enter |
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| 18:58.50 | cusco | hi lszyba1 |
| 18:58.58 | lszyba1 | hello |
| 18:59.26 | cusco | I'm not the best to help you, but that seems like a hell of a problem |
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| 19:00.03 | _EBK_ | Hello, I have a problem where changing songs in Rhythmbox auto mutes in the sound preferences? |
| 19:00.18 | cusco | lszyba1: do you have debotstrap installed? |
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| 19:01.23 | Innocentus | what would be the debian way to host multiple websites on a vserver? |
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| 19:01.53 | lupine | install http server, configure according to documentation |
| 19:01.56 | Innocentus | I used confixx, but now it is running out (they will stop it) |
| 19:02.05 | Innocentus | lupine: I mean the structure |
| 19:02.12 | Innocentus | lupine: look, I could use apache2 and nodejs together |
| 19:02.15 | babilen | lszyba1: I guess that it is time to restore from backups |
| 19:02.22 | Innocentus | lupine: or I will use multiple servers |
| 19:02.31 | lupine | if you were using apache2, there's space for config fragments per-site in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for instance |
| 19:02.32 | Innocentus | lupine: the main issue is how to structure the whole thing |
| 19:02.35 | lszyba1 | Got flag by debhelper as #flood...so not sure if there were any other comments. Looks like some programs are installed but apt doesn't know it...as far as debootstrap...not sure ...is that a command...I mean the system loads, I got ssh, etc... |
| 19:02.36 | Innocentus | yes |
| 19:02.40 | lupine | (and one of those could be a proxypass if you wanted) |
| 19:02.41 | Innocentus | lupine: but it cannot be shared |
| 19:02.52 | lupine | it totally can be shared |
| 19:02.55 | Innocentus | a separate mysql server for each website? or one for the whole server |
| 19:03.05 | _EBK_ | What would automatically mute Rhythmbox in sound preferences under the Applications tab? |
| 19:03.16 | Innocentus | lupine: so we got an apache2 and a nginx, both host some parts of a single website |
| 19:03.31 | lupine | well, only one can have port 80 on any given IP |
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| 19:03.39 | lszyba1 | babilen:no backup.....home partition xfs is intact...its just root with my websites, configurations, mysql database,...etc. |
| 19:03.47 | lupine | pick one to be primary, proxypass the appropriate bits back to the other one, which you'd configure to bind to localhost |
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| 19:04.13 | fen | jhutchins_wk: thanks for your answer |
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| 19:05.52 | lszyba1 | cusco: what does bootstarp will do ? is there a way to dpkg reconfugure apt so that it creates all the folders it needs...I don't mind reinstalling packages...lib libc6..gnome..etc |
| 19:06.12 | _EBK_ | Oh, nevermind. Teamspeak client was auto-muting my music. *sigh* |
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| 19:07.58 | cusco | lszyba1: I think confmiss |
| 19:08.00 | cusco | !confmiss |
| 19:08.00 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 19:11.53 | lszyba1 | dpkg:so what "basic" first program I should install...I tried apt../it told me gcc4.4 needs to be installed...i tried gcc4.4 but get internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download |
| 19:11.54 | dpkg | lszyba1: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 19:13.42 | lszyba1 | debconf, apt,..is there some more basic then that? |
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| 19:14.26 | setuid | Can someone tell me why removing 'gdm' on Squeeze, removes all of everything graphical, including X itself? |
| 19:14.27 | nvz | anyone have any ideas or suggestions on the matter of sawfish+cairo-dock? The visibility settings seem to be ignored, panel takes like 60px and I can't fully maximize windows |
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| 19:14.32 | setuid | Shouldn't gdm rely on X, but not the reverse? |
| 19:15.43 | Towzzer | I've seen that happen with packages that are unrelated |
| 19:16.54 | neon__ | can I tell app-get to show me from which repository each package suggested for installation [Y/n] come from |
| 19:17.06 | Apachez | setuid: due to very bad dependencies |
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| 19:17.10 | neon__ | I found out that -V show version, but not repo |
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| 19:17.27 | setuid | Apachez, seems so, so how do I stop gdm from starting at machine startup? |
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| 19:19.06 | Tired | lszyba1, apt-extracttemplates is in the package apt-utils. if that's missing, that's probably the first package you want to (re)install |
| 19:19.37 | setuid | I'll use this for now: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 19:21.06 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:21.18 | Posterdati | which wheezy shall I install for an old centrino cpu? |
| 19:21.26 | Posterdati | i386 or ia64? |
| 19:21.37 | dvs | 386 |
| 19:21.44 | rozie | Posterdati: pastebin cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:21.56 | zykotick9 | setuid: the real issue is metapackaging. you might want to see http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package for some insight on how to remove single packages |
| 19:22.21 | Posterdati | there's window on that machine and it won't boot correctly can't access windows control panel |
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| 19:24.30 | lszyba1 | sorry..got disconnected... |
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| 19:27.29 | Posterdati | dvs: tx |
| 19:27.41 | dvs | np |
| 19:28.11 | Tired | lszyba1, apt-extracttemplates is in the package apt-utils. if that's missing, that's probably the first package you want to (re)install |
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| 19:32.28 | Tired | the database of installed packages is in /var/lib/dpkg/status and there are backups in /var/backups/dpkg.status* and I've not heard anything that proves to me those are not intact |
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| 19:34.36 | lszyba11 | tired: Now Internal error : couldn't generate a lit of packages to download...is there a file I wonder that holds these that I should create |
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| 19:35.41 | bluesm | Could you explain me in few words. What is imagemagic, morgify, and convert ? And how they connect to each other ? |
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| 19:38.23 | Guest62220 | how to block ip after 3 times ssh password error ? |
| 19:38.23 | Dwarf | Good evening gentlemen, could anyone assist me with WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/dwarf/.cache/keyring-V9JA6e/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
| 19:38.39 | Dwarf | Guest62220: Search for LFD firewall |
| 19:39.50 | Guest62220 | Dwarf: will do |
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| 19:40.22 | Tired | Guest62220, look at fail2ban |
| 19:41.20 | Guest62220 | Tired, Dwarf thanks |
| 19:41.51 | Dwarf | My pleasure |
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| 19:42.24 | Tired | Guest62220, I think 3 is even the default. probably only needs 5 minute to configure how connections are dropped |
| 19:42.33 | Tired | s |
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| 19:43.13 | Guest62220 | Tired: that's great |
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| 19:49.41 | zykotick9 | bluesm: the package is called imagemagick and it contains the utilities convert and mogrify. |
| 19:50.26 | Guest81238 | If I don't install KDE or GNOME desktop environments, will I still have graphical user interface? |
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| 19:51.02 | DammitJim | Guest81238, if you install e17, you'll have a de |
| 19:51.22 | DammitJim | Desktop Environment... what is your concern? LOL (just promoting enlightenment) |
| 19:51.39 | DammitJim | Guest81238, you will not have a DE if you don't install them |
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| 19:52.28 | AlcariTheMad | in the text mode squeeze installer, is the 'f' right before the file system type an indication that the partition will be formatted? |
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| 19:54.49 | Tired | dpkg, tell Guest81238 about install x |
| 19:55.09 | Guest81238 | DammitJim, I just wanted to know , since there is X11 which I understand comes by default with linux, then maybe some kind of window manager |
| 19:55.17 | Guest81238 | comes with it |
| 19:55.45 | Tired | Guest81238, look at the private message the bot dpkg sent you |
| 19:57.03 | PerfDave | Guest81238: Uhm, Xorg is the standard X11 implementation which ships with almost all GNU/Linux distros, but it doesn't "come by default" on Debian. |
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| 19:58.03 | wols | Guest81238: if you install the xorg package you will have a GUI with a very very spartan and basic window manager "twm" I think it is |
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| 20:00.20 | PerfDave | wols: Pretty sure xorg won't install twm, it's not in an rdepends chain that I can see |
| 20:00.25 | bluesm | zykotick9: Ok thank you very very much |
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| 20:01.17 | neon__ | is it possible to tell apt-get to not upgrade anything not required? |
| 20:01.56 | wols | PerfDave: there is a window manager which comes with xorg itself. I think it's twm or such. it's not a separate package |
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| 20:02.18 | wols | neon__: you can disable recommends. and if something is installed and has an upgrade, it is "required" |
| 20:02.30 | wols | unless you upgrade only a select package with apt-get install package |
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| 20:04.23 | PerfDave | wols: Hmm, twm is seperately packaged, and X doesn't *need* a WM. |
| 20:04.35 | neon__ | I guess it is required then :/ |
| 20:04.50 | neon__ | wols, i try to install mythtv from dmm wihthout getting upgrades |
| 20:04.59 | Guest81238 | PerfDave, what would be a reason for installing xorg without installing any window managers or de? |
| 20:05.51 | PerfDave | Guest81238: Because you don't need it? Kiosk or similar? |
| 20:06.09 | xsaidx | guys i have a programe on my menu that idk how it gets installed and now idk what package it belongs so i can remove it |
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| 20:06.36 | PerfDave | Same reason you can have a WM or DE installed without xorg ;) |
| 20:06.42 | xsaidx | i seached under /usr/bin/package-name i found a lot of it so idk which one to delete |
| 20:07.22 | PerfDave | xsaidx: Would you care to be a little more specific? |
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| 20:09.13 | xsaidx | PerfDave: heres the name of the programe nepomukbackup |
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| 20:09.37 | xsaidx | i tried to read the dpkg man to see which package it belongs to but i didnt find any |
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| 20:10.02 | wols | neon__: getting upgrades for what exactly? what do you want to avoid installing? |
| 20:10.42 | PerfDave | xsaidx: dpkg -S /usr/bin/nepomukbackup |
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| 20:11.07 | neon__ | wols, libmp3lame0 , but I went ahead and installed it. I wanted to get only new packages from dmm, so that if their packages are not good, i will not hurt other programs |
| 20:11.30 | PerfDave | xsaidx: nepomuk is part of KDE4, I think |
| 20:11.33 | wols | neon__: you can't |
| 20:11.57 | Guest81238 | wols, you seem to be correct about twm coming as part of xorg |
| 20:12.15 | neon__ | wols, that is too bad. i hope I won't lose stuff over this |
| 20:13.15 | xsaidx | PerfDave: im using LXDE it wont hurt if i remove it ?? |
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| 20:14.09 | PerfDave | xsaidx: No idea, sorry. I'm not even sure what it does. |
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| 20:16.34 | xsaidx | PerfDave: you're right its kde thing |
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| 20:17.30 | file-exists-p | dear all. Is there a simple way to have cryptsetup called when running "mount" ? |
| 20:17.45 | file-exists-p | i.e. to have the sequence cryptdisks_start/mount done when running mount ? |
| 20:17.56 | file-exists-p | and similarlty umount/cryptdisks_stop when running umount? |
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| 20:18.34 | rue_house | are packages kicked out of debian for using libtool? |
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| 20:20.47 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: What would you "mount" to unlock cryptdisks? |
| 20:21.12 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: Until you unlock the cryptdisk, you don't know what devices are in the cryptdisk, so you can't create /dev nodes |
| 20:21.23 | file-exists-p | ? |
| 20:21.40 | file-exists-p | I could write a mount.sh script which would automatically parse fstab and run cryptdisk_start for me |
| 20:21.47 | file-exists-p | I wonder if that is not something standard |
| 20:22.09 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: "mount" mounts a disk partition device onto a filesystem tree. You don't know what the device might be until after you've unlocked the disk. |
| 20:22.09 | file-exists-p | I would expect that the right options passed to mount could tell it to run a mount.cryptsetup or something of that style |
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| 20:22.18 | file-exists-p | hm |
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| 20:22.33 | file-exists-p | gimme 3s to think ^^ |
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| 20:23.04 | file-exists-p | at the moment |
| 20:23.19 | file-exists-p | I put in fstab the /dev/mapper volume that results from cryptdisks_start |
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| 20:23.51 | zykotick9 | xsaidx: fyi, if you want to find out why something has been installed you can use "aptitude why foo" |
| 20:24.11 | file-exists-p | I would expect to put the luks volume in there, and a nifty option in the mount option, so that mount would call crypdsisks_start, create a /dev/mapper/blah.XXXXX volume, and then run mount as usual on that, with the option taken in the fstab |
| 20:24.12 | file-exists-p | no? |
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| 20:24.28 | xsaidx | zykotick9: ok thanks even if i installed it with apt-get |
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| 20:24.40 | zykotick9 | xsaidx: it'll work. |
| 20:24.56 | xsaidx | zykotick9: ok |
| 20:25.04 | file-exists-p | I mean, *I* could hack mount like a pig, and if the volume is /dev/mapper/xxxx, check /etc/crypttab to see if it should be created with cryptsetup first |
| 20:25.08 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: So what /dev node would you initially call "mount" on? |
| 20:25.12 | carbohydrate_ | debian sucks |
| 20:25.14 | carbohydrate_ | that is all |
| 20:25.24 | PerfDave | carbohydrate_: Yes, it sucks donkey balls. Well done. |
| 20:25.24 | zykotick9 | xsaidx: apt-get and aptitude are both frontends to the same underlying package system |
| 20:25.25 | file-exists-p | perfdave: ah! I see |
| 20:25.35 | file-exists-p | perfdave: on the luks volume? |
| 20:25.38 | carbohydrate_ | why is debian so out of date? |
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| 20:25.46 | file-exists-p | carbon: cause your mom |
| 20:25.46 | xsaidx | zykotick9: it says it doesnt exists LOL |
| 20:25.53 | birdinatux | Hello. I have a fresh install from CD of Debian 6. I have no internet because the firmware for my NIC the realtek 8168e-2 is not provided. after installing I install the realtek-firmware package with dpkg -i. I restarted and still no eth0. Anybody can help with this? |
| 20:26.11 | zykotick9 | xsaidx: oh right, foo must be the package name. do you know it? |
| 20:26.31 | file-exists-p | perfdave: 'lo? |
| 20:26.33 | xsaidx | zykotick9: of course i replaced it by the name package |
| 20:26.53 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: OK, where would you try to mount the luks cvolume *to*? |
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| 20:27.24 | file-exists-p | perfdave: well, as specificed in the fstab? |
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| 20:27.54 | file-exists-p | perfdave: it would be exactly like the loop business we had before |
| 20:28.13 | file-exists-p | perfdave: instead of transparently creating the loop device, here it would transparently create the /dev/mapper device |
| 20:28.14 | rue_house | are packages kicked out of debian for using libtool? |
| 20:28.17 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: Except the luks volume might not contain one filesystem, and you don't know that before you open it. |
| 20:28.37 | file-exists-p | perfdave: but it is the same for any volume, why is it different here? |
| 20:28.48 | file-exists-p | perfdave: any volume in fstab may contain crap |
| 20:28.59 | file-exists-p | perfdave: I am not sure to understand why it differs here |
| 20:29.20 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: For a volume to be mountable, it needs to be one device node which maps to one filesystem. |
| 20:29.29 | file-exists-p | perfdave: but I presume that (this debate aside) what I am looking for is at least not wildly known to exist? |
| 20:29.52 | file-exists-p | perfdave: with your argument to loop thing is not possible |
| 20:30.08 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: Not as part of the mount command, no. What problem are you trying to solve here? |
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| 20:30.32 | file-exists-p | perfdave: to mount a luks encrypted volume with only the "mount" command instead of cryptsetup + mount |
| 20:30.51 | sdcardo | Happy GNU year! |
| 20:30.58 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: That's not really a problem, is it? |
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| 20:31.08 | file-exists-p | perfdave: do you agree that in the non-luks way of encrypting, you can *implicitly* and *transparently* have mount call losetup ? |
| 20:31.27 | file-exists-p | perfdave: please, please, do not start to tell me my problem is not a problem :) |
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| 20:31.35 | PerfDave | I'm not familiar with a non-luks way of encrypting. |
| 20:31.42 | file-exists-p | perfdave: okay |
| 20:31.53 | PerfDave | file-exists-p: You're giving me a generic, I asked for a specific. |
| 20:32.09 | file-exists-p | perfdave: ok, whatever. thanks for your time! |
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| 20:36.39 | rue_house | are packages kicked out of debian for using libtool? |
| 20:37.47 | ompaul | ,versions libtool |
| 20:37.48 | judd | Package: libtool on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.2.6b-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.6b-2; wheezy: 2.4.2-1.1; sid: 2.4.2-1.2 |
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| 20:37.56 | ompaul | libtool is there |
| 20:38.53 | try | hello all, i have just installed debian and would like to play flash videos, unfortunately i'am unable to install flashplayer, when i type "apt-cache search flash" it returns nothing, could somebody say me what's going wrong ? |
| 20:39.44 | ompaul | !flash |
| 20:39.44 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 20:40.53 | zykotick9 | try: flash sucks. that being said, flashplugin-nonfree is in the contrib repo. |
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| 20:43.38 | seeker61 | dos has ipconfig with release and renew what is comparable in squeeze |
| 20:44.19 | wols | just run dhclient for your interface. or you can use ifup/ifdown |
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| 20:45.49 | try | zykotick9: ok i see, so you recommand me to install gnash or lightspark, how can i get it? which repo i have to add ....? |
| 20:46.16 | zykotick9 | try: actually if you want flash to work quasi-ok, i'd suggest the non-free myself YMMV |
| 20:46.18 | try | dpkg: thx for recommandation |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | try: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 20:47.24 | try | dpkg: sorry for being so noob, promise will not do again |
| 20:47.24 | dpkg | try: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:47.29 | wols | try: dpkg is a bot |
| 20:47.55 | try | wols: ok :) |
| 20:48.58 | {her|bert} | try: take a look on what zykotick9 says to you about flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:49.07 | try | zykotick9:thx, i'll try |
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| 20:49.55 | try | {her|bert} yop, thx too |
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| 20:51.01 | zykotick9 | try: if you are unclear at what "contrib" is... see "/msg dpkg contrib" (then look for a PM from dpkg in your irc client) for details |
| 20:52.18 | try | zykotick9: thank you much |
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| 20:56.46 | seeker61 | wols: was that ifup/ifdown in answer to my ipconfig quesition |
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| 20:58.07 | zykotick9 | seeker61: do you using dhcp? if so, as wols said, just dhclient the interface. if not - then use ifdown then ifup. |
| 20:58.34 | wols | seeker61: yes |
| 20:58.47 | lszyba11 | thanbks, |
| 20:58.52 | lszyba11 | I'll try that tomorrow |
| 20:58.53 | seeker61 | zykotick9: where do i find dhclient on my gdm |
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| 20:59.11 | zykotick9 | seeker61: gdm? the login manager? why would it be there? |
| 20:59.12 | wols | seeker61: nowhere and you don't need to |
| 20:59.35 | wols | or do you look for ipconfig at your winlogon UI? |
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| 21:00.06 | seeker61 | zykotick9: evidently used the wrong term where is dhclient the interface |
| 21:00.25 | wols | seeker61: same place where ipconfig is: your command liner |
| 21:00.27 | wols | -r |
| 21:00.28 | zykotick9 | seeker61: the interface is eth0/wlan0/etc. |
| 21:00.53 | zykotick9 | seeker61: so, as root "dhclient eth0" assuming 1st ethernet is what you want to re:dhcp |
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| 21:02.44 | seeker61 | zykotick9: at root i typed dhclient eth0 and it paused for awhile and then gave me a new command line |
| 21:03.08 | zykotick9 | seeker61: no output ususally means success. so ifconfig now, has it changed? |
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| 21:05.14 | seeker61 | zykotick9: how do i find my gateway address |
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| 21:05.30 | zykotick9 | seeker61: it's usually your router's address, assuming you use one. |
| 21:05.31 | wols | seeker61: "route" |
| 21:05.53 | seeker61 | wols: you mean ifconfig route |
| 21:06.14 | zykotick9 | seeker61: no, just "route" in terminal |
| 21:06.16 | seeker61 | zykotick9 wols: you guys are really helping thanks |
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| 21:08.07 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: dhclient usually runs as part of an automated process so there isn't any feedback or much in the way of interface options. |
| 21:08.41 | seeker61 | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
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| 21:10.10 | seeker61 | jhutchins_wk: how do i determine my computers ip |
| 21:11.21 | zykotick9 | seeker61: ifconfig |
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| 21:13.05 | seeker61 | what i am really trying to learn how to do is make one wireless router connect to another wireless router via wireless |
| 21:13.27 | jagginess | seeker61, it's called ad-hoc and usually those setups cannot be secured.. |
| 21:13.38 | wols | seeker61: and these routers run debian? |
| 21:13.47 | jagginess | seeker61, but WDS, i think is what you're after.. |
| 21:13.54 | wols | jagginess: no it's not. and of coures you can secure an adhoc connection |
| 21:14.33 | seeker61 | ok wow you guys are a wealth of knowledge so how do i set up a secure adhoc |
| 21:15.11 | jagginess | "Ad-hoc networks can pose a security threat. Ad-hoc networks are defined as peer-to-peer networks between wireless computers that do not have an access point in between them. While these types of networks usually have little protection, encryption methods can be used to provide security." |
| 21:15.15 | jagginess | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_security#Ad-hoc_networks |
| 21:15.42 | seeker61 | i have a debian box and a xp box hanging off one wireless router which at this point is connected via wire to the other wireless router which has a win7 laptop and win7 desktop |
| 21:16.01 | jhutchins_wk | Some routers will forward traffic in a special mode that is not the same as ad-hoc. |
| 21:16.27 | somiaj | I thought many wireless routers may not have the ability to connect to another wireless router and can only serv as an access point and you need special hardware to have multiple access points. |
| 21:16.54 | seeker61 | i have port forwarding on my lynksys router so would i port forward to the other router? this is all new territory |
| 21:17.32 | somiaj | I don't see any option in my linksys router to have it connect to another wireless router...but maybe Im missing something |
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| 21:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: They actually tend to be the simpler ones, usually with only one ethernet port. |
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| 21:18.39 | jhutchins_wk | Being cheap, I've had a couple that had that option. There are also more advanced units that are meant to have an antenna for an uplink and serve as distributed access points. |
| 21:18.47 | seeker61 | my lynksys is connected to modem and the netgear is the secondary router |
| 21:18.49 | jhutchins_wk | external antenna. |
| 21:19.26 | JoeHazzers | how should i go about getting my hands on the default configuration file that debian installs for a package? |
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| 21:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | JoeHazzers: Depends. Sometimes it's in /usr/share/doc/<package>. |
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| 21:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | JoeHazzers: What package? |
| 21:20.37 | JoeHazzers | it was squid, but i just found it in the doc |
| 21:20.40 | somiaj | JoeHazzers: did you modify the configuratin file and need to get the original back? |
| 21:20.45 | jhutchins_wk | JoeHazzers: xlnt. |
| 21:21.03 | JoeHazzers | somiaj: more like i accidentally deleted a few lines of comments that i wanted back |
| 21:21.05 | somiaj | JoeHazzers: /msg dpkg confmiss (you can delete the current config and force dpkg to give you the default one back) |
| 21:21.27 | somiaj | and by delete, move away/backup is fine too |
| 21:22.16 | JoeHazzers | i could probably poke around with apt-get source and find out what the installation script does to get the original file there, but that seems pointless now that i found it |
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| 21:22.54 | echo083 | which package has created the file /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:24.37 | echo083 | (my question is not linked with anything people were talking about) |
| 21:25.01 | JoeHazzers | echo083: as far as i can tell, no package is directly responsible for it. |
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| 21:25.14 | somiaj | echo083: I don't get any return from dpkg -S /etc/network/interfaces, it could just be a default file that is put in on the install that multipel packages use |
| 21:25.23 | somiaj | echo083: dpkg -S /etc/network returns a bunch of packages though |
| 21:25.24 | aguitel | i have this card :[GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) ,what nvidia driver i need to install? |
| 21:25.33 | Apachez | will the debian installer (which I assume is the same in ubuntu) take care of alignment for ssd installations? |
| 21:25.33 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: somiaj ya, the "dpkg -S" output is odd. |
| 21:26.00 | echo083 | somiaj, i did it too and found nothing that's why i came here ! it is provided as default file during debian primary installation? |
| 21:26.06 | JoeHazzers | netbase, maybe? |
| 21:26.58 | somiaj | echo083: that would be my assumption. It is a core file, it is mostly used by /etc/init.d/networking which comes from ifupdown |
| 21:27.33 | somiaj | I think the file is created durining the network detection of the install |
| 21:27.59 | echo083 | JoeHazzers, netbase could be a clue |
| 21:28.15 | echo083 | somiaj, oh let me remove it and see if it is created again ! |
| 21:28.22 | somiaj | the comment from the one from my debootstrap chroot is "# interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)" |
| 21:28.52 | somiaj | echo083: if you remove it it won't be recreated. Debian does not recreate config files you remove. If the file is not there you just won't have any interfaces brought up automatically |
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| 21:29.18 | somiaj | echo083: why do you need to know what package creates it? Why not just create you own, the default one is gonna be dreadfuly simple, contains the line, 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet loopback' |
| 21:29.29 | echo083 | somiaj, ohhhh ok you mean it is created by the debian installer from the debian iso image |
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| 21:30.04 | somiaj | Yes the default one is created during the network detection part of the installer |
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| 21:31.02 | echo083 | somiaj, for info indeed the interfaces was not created again it's logical thinking about it again. and it seems you are right about the installer |
| 21:31.04 | echo083 | somiaj, thanks |
| 21:31.21 | Nahledge | How do I scan a USB flash drive for errors? It does not have a linux partition on it, its just for storage. Everytime i try to transfer a file it freezes at a certain point and becomes unmountable. |
| 21:31.43 | somiaj | echo083: if you delete a config file and then reinstall the package the config file came with, debian will not create a new config file, (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 21:32.08 | echo083 | somiaj, and if i reinstall netbase after removing the interfaces file ? |
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| 21:32.19 | Towzzer | you can install the package again, then purge it |
| 21:32.26 | Towzzer | the next install will get you the config files |
| 21:32.33 | somiaj | echo083: but yes I don't see it registered as being part of any config file, I don't know why. But it is a simple file that is used by ifupdown package. Again why don't you just create you own? |
| 21:32.54 | dvs | Nahledge: fsck should still work on a USB drive. Just make sure it is NOT mounted when you check it. |
| 21:32.55 | somiaj | Towzzer: I don't think so, debconf rembers if you detelete config files even after a purge afiak |
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| 21:33.03 | Towzzer | it works, promise :D |
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| 21:33.12 | echo083 | somiaj, ohh you are wrong all is working correctly on my debian installation :) i am just very curious and wanted to understand |
| 21:33.13 | Towzzer | if you purge a package it knows you removed the configuration |
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| 21:33.18 | Nahledge | dvs it keeps saying that it cant find superblock |
| 21:33.19 | Towzzer | so the next installation it will install them again |
| 21:33.47 | spudwebb | Any idea when we're getting a new drm and mesa 9.0 in experimental? |
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| 21:34.07 | spudwebb | it would be nice to get steam 3d games working properly with the opensource ati drivers |
| 21:34.22 | dvs | Nahledge: It should have some sort of filesystem on it. |
| 21:34.40 | somiaj | Towzzer: ok I have seen many people here purge a package and reinstall it and not get their config files back. that is why /msg dpkg confmiss exists. |
| 21:34.48 | dvs | Nahledge: fdisk -l should give an idea. |
| 21:35.14 | Hotwire | Hey guys, I just made an init script for starting ps3 media server, and i think it must have screwed it up because when i rebooted the system a load of stuff didn't start. Including sshd. This is obviously a pita because i cant ssh in to fix it. What i think is werid that that ssh was started after some ranodm python scripts. I thought ssh started early in the boot process. I am wrong? |
| 21:35.15 | somiaj | spudwebb: until wheezy is released, sid is gonna be very slow/slugish at new packages. So it will probabaly not be until after wheezy is released. |
| 21:35.28 | spudwebb | when is wheezy coming out? |
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| 21:35.47 | somiaj | spudwebb: next few months is the best guess |
| 21:35.49 | JoeHazzers | when it's ready c.c |
| 21:36.09 | echo083 | somiaj, JoeHazzers, Towzzer, the package in charge is ifupdown !! after removing the file /etc/network/interfaces and reinstall the ifupdown package the file was created again :) |
| 21:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, but purge should be equivalent... possibly those where it didn't work removed the packagage, then tried to purge with apt-get purge (which refuses to purge) or somesuch? |
| 21:36.15 | somiaj | spudwebb: but when it is ready, could be next month could be 6 months. Usually they annouce the release a week or so before it happens. |
| 21:36.25 | JoeHazzers | echo083: cool, i'll remember that! |
| 21:36.32 | spudwebb | I wish I could help by packaging these things, but I just finished building them all from git and it's complicated. I had success in x86_64 but not in x86. |
| 21:36.33 | echo083 | somiaj, JoeHazzers, Towzzer, the file is created again but is empty |
| 21:36.37 | somiaj | echo083: makes since since since ifupdown uses that config file |
| 21:36.50 | echo083 | somiaj, yes indeed like you said |
| 21:36.52 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, have you /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, I know the confmiss factoid for years and it doesn't say anything about purge not being equivalent |
| 21:37.36 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: that may work on some packages but ones that use debconf no. If you delete a config file, purging and reinstalling won't get it back |
| 21:38.09 | somiaj | well then it must be some other issue, not wanting to test it, I just know I have seen people have troubles getting config files back even if they purge and reinstall the package. |
| 21:38.24 | spudwebb | if anyone is interested, mesa, dri, xorg, drm all from git are awesome. All the webgl stuff stuff works, opengl 3.1 works. Chromium google webgl stuff works etc. |
| 21:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, yes, the ucf stuff is new(ish). I have no idea how purge works or does not work on those |
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| 21:39.23 | somiaj | spudwebb: and they will probabaly make it into debian once wheezy is released and the limited devs can work on things other than rc bugs |
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| 21:39.46 | spudwebb | someday once my fulltime job allows it I will contribute more to debian packages. |
| 21:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, hm, but there as well I would think a purge (i.e complete removal of the config files from the packaging system) should be ok as well |
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| 21:40.20 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: that is what I thought too. But after seeing it not work for people in here I was surprised. |
| 21:40.20 | spudwebb | but those packages are too complicated for me to package so I'd work on simple little things. |
| 21:40.29 | JoeHazzers | on a related note, is anyone aware of a network monitoring/graphing solution that a) isn't nagios b) isn't bloated for basic monitoring purposes? |
| 21:40.46 | dondelelcaro | JoeHazzers: see munin for graphing |
| 21:40.54 | somiaj | JoeHazzers: iptraf is a simple network monitering tool, not sure if it creates graphs |
| 21:41.28 | somiaj | guess there is an iptraf-ng (next generation) too |
| 21:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, would probably be worth looking into a bit more the next time... I thnk I'd also see it as a bug if configuration is not created after a package is purged and then installed again |
| 21:42.11 | zykotick9 | somiaj: ahh, i've always wondered waht the -ng at the end of stuff ment, next generation. thanks. |
| 21:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | zykotick9, that, or "no good" ;) |
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| 21:44.11 | DarkKnightCZ | is there a way how to use "regular expression" in nautilus search? like *.jpg will find all images with jpg extension within folder and subfolders |
| 21:44.28 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: yea it always confused me, and I have no experience myself, just off of watchign people get help in here. |
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| 21:44.49 | un214 | GUI file management has ... limitations |
| 21:44.57 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: why do you want to use nautilus search and not use some tool like find? |
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| 21:45.53 | DarkKnightCZ | somiaj: oh, right, im not in gnome channel :) i want to use gui for it |
| 21:46.08 | aguitel | i have this card :[GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) ,what nvidia driver i need to install? |
| 21:46.53 | somiaj | aguitel: use apt-cache show but I don't think your card is legacy just yet |
| 21:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, same here... when you know about how debian handles config files, you don't delete them anymore and so don't collect more experience :) |
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| 21:47.36 | aguitel | somiaj, in archlinux i use nvidia-304xx (not new driver) |
| 21:48.10 | somiaj | aguitel: debian packages some nvidia-legacy drivers for older cards, apt-cache search nvidia-glx (Will show you the different legacy drivers) |
| 21:48.37 | somiaj | aguitel: apt-cache show <package name> will give you detils, for example apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx gives you a list of supported cards |
| 21:48.50 | aguitel | ok |
| 21:49.04 | jhutchins_wk | DarkKnightCZ: Have you tried just using the regex? |
| 21:49.44 | DarkKnightCZ | jhutchins_wk: yes, it just ignores the regexp |
| 21:49.57 | somiaj | aguitel: seems your card is new enough to just use the sandard nvidia drivers, /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 21:50.20 | aguitel | somiaj, ok |
| 21:50.27 | somiaj | aguitel: nvidia legacy 173xx seems to be for the 5000 series and older |
| 21:50.38 | aguitel | yes i know |
| 21:50.43 | somiaj | aguitel: so anything newer than the 6000 series should work on the current nvidia drivers. If not you can try that legacy package, but it doesn't appear you need it |
| 21:51.00 | aguitel | ok iwill try |
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| 21:51.55 | jhutchins_wk | DarkKnightCZ: What about if you quote it? |
| 21:52.02 | Costanza | i am trying to compile kernel 3.7.1 on debian 6.. and when i type make menuconfig it says "bash: make: command not found |
| 21:52.02 | Costanza | "... hmm |
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| 21:52.27 | DarkKnightCZ | jhutchins_wk: nope |
| 21:52.31 | somiaj | Costanza: why do you need kernel 3.7 and aren't able to use the 3.2 kernel from backports? |
| 21:52.48 | somiaj | Costanza: have you ever compiled your own kernel before (seems you haven't even installed build-essential on your system yet) |
| 21:52.55 | somiaj | Costanza: also you should /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 21:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | suspects that someone hasn't installed make. |
| 21:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 21:53.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 21:53.33 | Costanza | i have never compiled kernel before.. and i need to compile my own kernel for efi stub loader.. so i can boot debian without using grub |
| 21:53.55 | Costanza | i am doing this in vmware.. then i will put it on a USB stick and install debian on the pc |
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| 21:55.25 | Costanza | oh right.. now i remember.. i compiled VLC on ubuntu few years ago and i used build-essential.. right.. |
| 21:57.42 | babilen | Costanza: Are you sure that the functionality is disabled in the Debian kernel? |
| 21:57.43 | Costanza | nvm.. i will read this http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
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| 21:58.09 | babilen | Costanza: The seminal documentation is http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 21:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Costanza, grep EFI_STUB /boot/config-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 21:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | CONFIG_EFI_STUB=y |
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| 21:58.36 | babilen | would have been surprised |
| 21:58.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Costanza, it's already enabled in Debians 3.2 kernel in wheezy (and from that I would bet also in the one in backports) |
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| 21:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | again a case of ... (drumroll) |
| 21:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, real problem |
| 21:59.17 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of asking about things that you think are related to the problem, or that are an obstacle in what you see as the way to the solution. Far too often, what you think related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem. Even if it does, we might provide an even better/simpler solution that you did not think of. Also see <xyproblem>. |
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| 22:00.39 | Costanza | so you mean if i download wheezy i dont need to compile my own kernel.. i can just boot wheezy and it has the efi stub loader in it already?? |
| 22:01.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used that stub loader... but the kernel has the option switched on |
| 22:01.51 | bennypr0fane | hello, is there a preinstalled app in Wheezy for writing an iso image (linux live cd) to a usb drive? I already tried dd, but the image doesn't boot. otherwise,which program would you recommend from the repos? |
| 22:02.11 | Costanza | ok.. i will try it in vmware by using efi firmware.. |
| 22:03.59 | Costanza | but for wheezy beta 4 it says "grub2: Fix some EFI boot failures"... so it is still using grub2 too bot on uefi systems.. |
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| 22:04.56 | jhutchins_wk | !tell bennypr0fane about burn iso |
| 22:05.29 | jhutchins_wk | Costanza: You have to use some kind of bootloader. |
| 22:05.49 | Costanza | the whole point of uefi stub is to boot using only kernel.. no other bootloader |
| 22:05.51 | jhutchins_wk | Costanza: There are several besides grub that work with efi. |
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| 22:06.42 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins_wk: I think that didn't work. CD/DVD creator will accept only CDs/DVDs, no USB |
| 22:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Costanza, so people without uefi would not be able to boot the installer disk? sounds like a splendid idea |
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| 22:07.15 | Costanza | "EFI Stub boot introduced in the Linux kernel version 3.3.0 that provides for a faster boot without the use of a bootloader (such as grub) on a UEFI capable system." |
| 22:07.47 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: Ok, re-reading your question ... what iso image are you using? The recommended method has been cat <file>.iso > /dev/usb0 |
| 22:08.07 | Costanza | the solution would be to release a special version of the distro for UEFI systems.. too much work perhaps |
| 22:08.28 | Costanza | ill just read the guide how to compile the kernel.. and i will try to make it work |
| 22:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the installer disk boot for you or not? |
| 22:09.12 | Costanza | who are you asking? |
| 22:09.36 | jhutchins_wk | Costanza: You might also consider reading the install guide. |
| 22:09.41 | somiaj | Costanza: you can get the 3.2 kernel from backports, and it seems to have the feature you need. You don't have to install wheezy |
| 22:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you of course, who else did I talk to |
| 22:10.07 | Costanza | is reading about backports... |
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| 22:10.57 | Costanza | i havent tried to boot debian on my pc yet.. i just installed it on vmware.. |
| 22:11.13 | somiaj | ,v grub-efi |
| 22:11.14 | judd | Package: grub-efi on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-23.1; sid: 1.99-25; experimental: 2.00-9 |
| 22:11.18 | b0ss_ | I just installed Debian 6.0.6 on my laptop. I got a function wireless router Cisco WRT160N. I would like to know how to setup connectivity for my laptop, please. |
| 22:11.41 | b0ss_ | I'm a new comer. |
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| 22:11.54 | somiaj | b0ss_: first figure out what your wireless chipset is for us, lspci -vv |
| 22:12.28 | somiaj | b0ss_: once we know your wireless chipset we can give you instructions on how to get your wireless card working. Then you can choose to use the interfaces(5) file or network-manager to connect to the ap |
| 22:12.29 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins_wk: I'm trying to write an iso image of elive cd to a usb drive. does it make a difference what iso image it is? |
| 22:12.46 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: does it have to be bootable? |
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| 22:12.56 | bennypr0fane | somiaj yes |
| 22:13.10 | Rat409 | b0ss_: also check lsusb |grep -i network |
| 22:13.15 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: you do need an .iso image that is designed to boot off a usb drive. All of debian's iso images since squeeze do that. I don't know about this elive image you are talking about htough |
| 22:13.17 | aguitel | somiaj, done ,thanks |
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| 22:13.25 | somiaj | aguitel: you are welcome. |
| 22:13.28 | jhutchins_wk | Costanza: What hardware are you installing on? |
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| 22:13.42 | bennypr0fane | does it make sense to add an option for bigger sectors to cat command? what's the difference to dd? |
| 22:14.06 | Costanza | Intel Z77GA70K i7 3770K 16gb ram nvidia gtx 660ti (uefi gop firmware).. |
| 22:14.24 | Costanza | intel 120gb ssd |
| 22:14.27 | somiaj | dd is a more controled bit per bit copy, but cat or dd will do the same thing to get the image onto the usb drive bennypr0fane. Again if it boots is dependent on the .iso image, and you will have to ask for support from the elive people (I don't reconize this as a debian image) |
| 22:14.29 | bennypr0fane | somiaj that iso of elive image is supposed to be bootable of course. I also checked the hash |
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| 22:14.40 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: Not if you don't already know the answer, and I'm not sure why cat was recommended - possibly because it's simpler. |
| 22:15.09 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: Was the md5sum of the finished image on the device the same? |
| 22:15.28 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: They need to be burned to the device, not to a partition. |
| 22:15.35 | Costanza | reinstalling debian in vmware now.. but using efi firmware.. |
| 22:16.13 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins did burn to device, not partition. didn't re-iso the device after writing |
| 22:16.27 | b0ss_ | <somiaj> b0ss_: first figure out what your wireless chipset is for us, lspci -vv : I'm afraid I can't identify which is my chipset from the lots of information displayed on my screen... |
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| 22:16.43 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: I'm not positive that works for USB devices, but I know it does for CD/DVDs. |
| 22:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: Read it. |
| 22:17.08 | somiaj | b0ss_: look for 'ethernet' or 'network' controller |
| 22:17.18 | b0ss_ | ok, found it |
| 22:17.20 | somiaj | b0ss_: you could have two, one wired, one wireless |
| 22:17.56 | b0ss_ | Network Controller : Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 |
| 22:18.04 | b0ss_ | is it that ? |
| 22:18.22 | bennypr0fane | somiaj of course elive is not about debian. I'm asking here because I want to ask for recommended method/program to write basically *any* iso image to a flash drive - in Debian |
| 22:18.37 | somiaj | b0ss_: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 22:19.02 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins_wk you're not positive that what works for usb device? |
| 22:19.04 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: cat or dd will both work. I was just saying if the image will boot is dependent on the image, and yes make sure you cat/dd it to the full drive (not a partition) i.e. /dev/sdb vs /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:19.16 | bennypr0fane | did so |
| 22:19.20 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: md5sum /dev/usb0 |
| 22:19.48 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: you can also try to mount the device once theimage is over and see if you can see the file system on the inside to see if it copied correctly |
| 22:20.05 | somiaj | b0ss_: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi -- that should give you the instructions you need for squeeze |
| 22:20.27 | somiaj | b0ss_: and if you looke the line you see is listed under supported devices for squeeze |
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| 22:22.17 | Costanza | seems that debian 6.0.6 does not even have efi grub on it.. it did not want to boot on efi vmware.. and when i mounted the iso and checked there was not bootx64.efi file |
| 22:22.34 | bennypr0fane | somiaj the files are all there. md5summing now |
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| 22:22.59 | Costanza | i will download debian 7 and try that |
| 22:23.23 | somiaj | Costanza: I thought it did |
| 22:23.26 | somiaj | ,v grub-efi |
| 22:23.27 | judd | Package: grub-efi on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-23.1; sid: 1.99-25; experimental: 2.00-9 |
| 22:23.28 | bennypr0fane | didn't know this could be done simply to a device. I thought checksums can be calculated only from single files |
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| 22:23.44 | somiaj | Costanza: seems there is a grub-efi package, though it probabaly isn't used on the installers. |
| 22:23.45 | sney | Costanza, the efi boot files are not just sitting on the installer disc, they are in udeb packages |
| 22:23.50 | b0ss_ | somiaj: I'm not able to perform "deb" because I'm not even connected.. |
| 22:24.00 | bennypr0fane | does the md5sum command make an image of the dev before checksumming it? |
| 22:24.06 | Costanza | i see then.. |
| 22:24.19 | Costanza | so i cant install it using UEFI mode.. i will have to use debian 7 for that |
| 22:24.24 | somiaj | b0ss_: you should still add that line, but yes you can use packages.debian.org/package_name |
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| 22:24.54 | somiaj | b0ss_: and down load the packages it suggest as a .deb file for squeeze, then copy them to the machine and dpkg -i package.deb |
| 22:25.06 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: Remember, in linux devices ARE files. |
| 22:25.08 | somiaj | b0ss_: after that you will have to reload the wifi module (or reboot) to get the firmware to be detected |
| 22:25.08 | Devastator | Costanza why not install it normally then switch to uefi? |
| 22:25.24 | somiaj | b0ss_: ahh it even gives you the command to reload the driver |
| 22:25.45 | somiaj | b0ss_: so yea, just use packages.debian.org, download the packages it asks for and install them manually. Hopefully you have a usb drive or a way to copy over to the laptop |
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| 22:26.01 | somiaj | b0ss_: another option is maybe your wired network card works, and you could use that to download/install stuff |
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| 22:26.16 | bennypr0fane | ooh, fdisk says the device doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 22:26.36 | jhutchins_wk | Costanza: There hasn't been a lot of consumer-grade uefi hardware available for developers to work with so far, so the support is not point-and-click yet. |
| 22:26.49 | Crumbz | Hey. Anyone know how I would go about installing openssh-server into an armel chroot on an x86_64 host system? |
| 22:26.51 | Costanza | ok.. |
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| 22:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | Crumbz: aptitude install openssh-server? |
| 22:27.14 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins: see, I didn't know that - not in that explicit form (just that "everyhting is a file").. |
| 22:27.41 | Crumbz | jhutchins_wk, won't that just install a package that matched the host arch? |
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| 22:27.53 | jhutchins_wk | Crumbz: Not if you're in the chroot. |
| 22:28.10 | Crumbz | jhutchins_wk, yes but aptitude in that case would be armel arch |
| 22:28.17 | somiaj | Crumbz: as long as your kernel can run the binaries inside the chroot, just do the install from there, it will install the correct arch. |
| 22:28.18 | jhutchins_wk | Crumbz: I use that to maintain testing installs. |
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| 22:28.33 | somiaj | I didn't realize that armel binaries could run on x86_64 |
| 22:28.44 | Crumbz | that's what I'm saying. :P |
| 22:29.09 | Crumbz | can you change the installation root and arch with aptitude? |
| 22:29.11 | jhutchins_wk | Perhaps I didn't think that out properly. |
| 22:29.45 | bennypr0fane | will it work like this too? md5sum /dev/sdc when /dev/sdc is the dev name of usb drive? |
| 22:29.54 | somiaj | I know you can with dpkg, but still when you install a package the pre/post install scripts could run binaries compiled for the arch |
| 22:30.25 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, that will give the the md5 sum of the entire drive, including bootloaders etc |
| 22:30.31 | somiaj | Crumbz: what is your real problem, even trying to extract a arm deb into your chroot could be troublesome because if the post/pre install scripts run armel binaries they will fail on a x86_64 kernel. |
| 22:30.36 | jhutchins_wk | ... which raises the question of how the armel chroot was achieved in the first place... |
| 22:30.55 | Crumbz | debootstrap.. |
| 22:31.14 | Crumbz | it's just a rootfs I am looking for - with sshd. |
| 22:31.24 | Crumbz | archive it and stick it on an arm device. |
| 22:31.25 | PerfDave | Crumbz: What's the *big* problem you're trying to solve here? Why do you have an armel chroot on x86_64 anyway? |
| 22:31.30 | somiaj | Crumbz: you can force extract some files in there, but they won't be configured correctly. |
| 22:31.39 | bennypr0fane | Crumbz but it'll do the same as /dev/usb0, right? |
| 22:32.18 | Crumbz | I have a NAS device that I want to install lenny on, it is arm arch, I just want to create a rootfs with debootstrap (done) with sshd installed and ready to run at boot. |
| 22:32.22 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I dunno, configuration for openssh should just be bash. If debbootstrap can build a chroot, there should be a way to install packages (that's what debbootstrap does after all). |
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| 22:32.29 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: if you copied the image to the usb drive, /dev/sdc -- then md5sum that drive (the md5 sum should stop when it hits the null file put at the end of the image, but it sounds like you are fine, you can just try to boot up off of it. |
| 22:32.57 | bennypr0fane | btw this was my dd command.: ~$ dd bs=4M if='/media/LinuxData/iso-Images/elive_2.0_Topaz_new-kernel_up003.iso' of=/dev/sdg Does cat have the same syntax? And does erasing the device beforehand increase my chance of getting an intact image written? |
| 22:32.59 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, not sure what usb0 is. Debian might be different but if you are sure that sdxx is your device it will be the same. |
| 22:33.01 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea dpkg can be told to install to a paticular path, and you can force extract debs. I was just saying that the package may not install properly if the post/pre install scripts require running binaries |
| 22:33.11 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: for example the ssh server usually tries to lunch with the postinst script |
| 22:33.39 | somiaj | and if the ssh server fails to launch, you may get an error and not fully install the package |
| 22:34.19 | bennypr0fane | naah, checksum doesn't match the iso |
| 22:34.27 | Crumbz | somiaj, surely though, if the required libraries and binaries are in the right place - the post installation script doesn't really matter? |
| 22:34.43 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: As I said before, cat <file>.iso ./dev/sdg would be the syntax. |
| 22:34.48 | somiaj | Crumbz: you may want to reinstall/reconfigure the packages once you are armel, but yes |
| 22:35.12 | bennypr0fane | so you guys are sure the device checksum is supposed to be the same as the .iso's one? |
| 22:35.17 | somiaj | Crumbz: Still might have to be careful with your methodology. You have far less control and things may not be configured correctly if the scripts do not run correctly. |
| 22:35.26 | jhutchins_wk | bennypr0fane: It seems a bit pointless to be trying to troubleshoot the bootability of an elive image in #debian though - we have no way of knowing whether that image is bootable or whether it can be used for a USB. |
| 22:35.26 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, No |
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| 22:35.55 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: syntax error . is not > |
| 22:35.58 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, the checksum of the entire device includes any empty spaces not written over by the ISO when you dd'ed it |
| 22:36.01 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: if you can mout the file system it is most likely correct. the md5sum may sum the whole device (and not just the first part that the image copied onto, rember the image is smaller than th edevice) |
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| 22:36.08 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: D'Oh! |
| 22:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | Stupid shift key! |
| 22:37.07 | Costanza | wheezy b4 booted fine in efi mode |
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| 22:37.27 | somiaj | Crumbz: but if you want to play arond, man dpkg, there is an option to set the root filesystem path for installing a .deb -- I don't think apt supports this, but it might. Though I would just manually use dpkg as opposed to trying to mess with apt for that. |
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| 22:37.49 | somiaj | Costanza: the only issue with wheezy is no security support (and maybe a few bugs still needing squashed) |
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| 22:37.54 | somiaj | Costanza: but if it works, use it. |
| 22:38.07 | Costanza | you mean secure boot? |
| 22:38.27 | Devastator | i would still try squeeze install, then switch to efi |
| 22:39.02 | somiaj | probabaly depends on the use of the machine. But for a product/server, yes use squeeze |
| 22:39.17 | bennypr0fane | jhutchins_wk yes I have a way of knowing that image is bootable, in that it says so on the download page and in installation instruction. Also it really wouldn't make sense if they gave a non-bootable one for dl now, would it? This could be just any image file, like I said. My issue is about performing a task correctly and checking if it worked - in Debian - geez |
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| 22:40.03 | Crumbz | somiaj, thanks man |
| 22:41.16 | bennypr0fane | Crumbz so the fact that checksums don't match doesn't necessarily mean the image wasn't written correctly, yes? |
| 22:41.49 | somiaj | Crumbz: you are entering into unknown territory and will get little support, but dpkg does have some advanced options. |
| 22:41.58 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, exactly. |
| 22:42.00 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: correct, it sums the whole driver (not just the first part that has the image on it) |
| 22:42.20 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, what are you trying to copy anyway? |
| 22:42.40 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: if the elive image dosen't boot, you will probably hvae to get support from them |
| 22:42.51 | Devastator | Crumbz debian installer into usb |
| 22:42.51 | somiaj | Crumbz: he is trying to copy an elive image to a usb |
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| 22:43.11 | somiaj | nope, an elive image, so if it doesn't work may have little to do with #debian |
| 22:43.48 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, you only need to checksum the downloaded ISO |
| 22:44.05 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, Im sure dd will so some error checking when copying |
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| 22:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suggest to download the debian installer and try with that |
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| 22:46.30 | germanxn | hi |
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| 22:46.59 | germanxn | im trying to run debian 6.0.6 |
| 22:47.18 | germanxn | i made some mistakes in the partition scheme |
| 22:47.33 | germanxn | i didnt knew about ldm |
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| 22:48.10 | bennypr0fane | Crumbz: I'm trying to write a (bootable) Linux live image of Elive to a usb flash drive afaik I can use the same img for writing to a usb device or a disc, it generally shouldn't make a difference, right? |
| 22:48.16 | germanxn | and i removed the 1 mb partition and other 100 mb partition created by win7 (i think) |
| 22:48.42 | bennypr0fane | To my previous question: Does erasing the device beforehand increase my chance of getting an intact image written? |
| 22:48.45 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: I have told you this already. It really depends on the .iso. If the .iso image is not designed to boot from a usbdrive it won't |
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| 22:48.54 | Apachez | my google-fu is failing me... where can I find a manual entry regarding the "typical usage" option during partitioning when you install debian? http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-lenny-install-partitioning3.png |
| 22:48.55 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: you need to get support from elive for this. Not debian. |
| 22:49.16 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, depends.. but that's not unusual to see. |
| 22:49.19 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: nope, if the image isn't booting, it is probabaly the images fault and not your command. |
| 22:49.27 | germanxn | know im able to but debian only from grub command promt |
| 22:49.46 | germanxn | else i get an exception about corrupted ldm database |
| 22:49.48 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, you put the usb in an it doesn't boot? |
| 22:50.18 | germanxn | can someone help me? |
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| 22:51.40 | germanxn | know =now (sorry) |
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| 22:51.55 | Crumbz | germanxn, I don't understand your problem.. |
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| 22:52.01 | bennypr0fane | somiaj I have said this before, too: I *know* *this specific* image to be bootable from usb. My question was about *generally* I thought your statement was about its bootability, not about the device it was meant for. |
| 22:52.06 | Crumbz | you deleted some partitions now your system wont boot? |
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| 22:52.21 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, you should't bother with elive at this stage, wait until/if they update... (looks dead) |
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| 22:52.42 | germanxn | i seem that, that 1 mb partition contains metadata about partition scheme |
| 22:52.50 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: if you did cat or dd the image to the usb device and it won't boot. This is an issue with the image, not with debian. |
| 22:52.51 | germanxn | thats ldm |
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| 22:53.07 | somiaj | Crumbz: his lvm is corrupt, though he keeps calling it ldm, and I avoid lvm myself so know nothign about it |
| 22:53.12 | tty1 | whats the newer one sarge or etch? |
| 22:53.22 | trist4n | theyre both a bit cutting edge |
| 22:53.24 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, also experimental packages for e17 release are coming soon, just wait a little. |
| 22:53.25 | trist4n | try something older |
| 22:53.36 | bennypr0fane | Crumbz exactly. what happens is I go to boot menu, select the usb dirve to boot, next thing my usual grub shows up and boots Debian from harddrive, like always |
| 22:53.40 | tty1 | trist4n, was that in response to me? |
| 22:53.42 | somiaj | tty1: /msg dpkg debian history |
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| 22:54.15 | Crumbz | germanxn, you mean you deleted the partition table? |
| 22:54.29 | somiaj | tty1: /msg dpkg release history |
| 22:54.48 | tty1 | somiaj, thanks |
| 22:54.57 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, sounds like the bootloader is not configured correctly |
| 22:55.09 | Crumbz | Crumbz, you can mount the device on a working system and fix it |
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| 22:55.53 | germanxn | no, in the partition section of the debian installer, i saw a 1 mb partition, and a 100 mb partition. i didnt created this partitions so i deleted them |
| 22:55.59 | Costanza | oh my.. the gnome 3 in debian 7 is not so bad.. :) |
| 22:56.09 | Crumbz | bennypr0fane, for instance, if the bootloader on your USB is pointing to /dev/sdaX (you hard drive) that will happen |
| 22:56.17 | bennypr0fane | somiaj ok, I guess you're right. will ask at elive if they're publishing broken live images. However, it's new to me that as soon as an issue has a mention of other Linux distros in it, it'll may made out to be all about that other OS... |
| 22:56.18 | germanxn | i created a swap partition and ext3 partiotion |
| 22:56.45 | somiaj | Costanza: that is one of the choices of desktops/wms you have, (: |
| 22:56.49 | Costanza | ah.. nvm.. it started in fallback mode because of graphics driver.. |
| 22:57.09 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, for a quick fix, unplug your other drives |
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| 22:57.14 | germanxn | but when booting debian, system get crashes with an error saying someting about ldm database |
| 22:57.16 | Crumbz | germanxn, LDM is related to windows afaik. do you have a working kernel and bootloader? |
| 22:58.01 | germanxn | know i think that that 1 mb partition is the ldm database |
| 22:58.20 | germanxn | im using grub |
| 22:58.45 | Didier_Spaier | I am trying to include someting like /usr/sbin/locale-gen + /etc/locale.gen in my Slackware 14.0. Looking at the patch "eglibc_2.11.3-4.diff" I assume that the program or script locale-gen is Debian-specific. Where can I get it (including the source if it is not a script) ? |
| 22:59.08 | bennypr0fane | Crumbz why would that bootloader on the usb drive point to the hdd, if it's supposed to boot to the usb drive? Well must be some serious error there. Thanks everyone for your help! |
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| 22:59.30 | germanxn | i keep saying know instead of now :-( sorry about my english |
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| 22:59.38 | somiaj | Didier_Spaier: have you looked at the locales package? |
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| 22:59.54 | Costanza | the fallback mode makes gnome 3 to look more like gnome 2 ;D awesome |
| 23:00.03 | Crumbz | Crumbz, well have a look and see what device it is pointing too.. I suspect it's pointing to your hard drive - hence booting your system. remove all drives and try the USB to see if it works first |
| 23:00.12 | somiaj | Costanza: and it was removed in the gnome versoin after wheezy froze..so luckly we got it |
| 23:00.20 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, its probably just pointing to sda... unplug all your other drives and your usb is magically sda |
| 23:00.20 | jhutchins_wk | germanxn: Is this a raid system, or is it unusual hardware, maybe an EFI system? |
| 23:00.25 | Arrowmaster | Costanza: dont get attached, its going away |
| 23:00.28 | Crumbz | ^ |
| 23:00.38 | Costanza | ill install MATE then |
| 23:00.46 | Arrowmaster | install cinnamon |
| 23:01.16 | germanxn | just a 500 gb sata3 disk |
| 23:01.28 | Crumbz | germanxn, I don;t really know enough about LDM. afaik you shouldn't need it for a Linux system |
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| 23:01.41 | jhutchins_wk | germanxn: Then you don't need whatever ldm is. |
| 23:01.55 | bennypr0fane | Artemis3 thanks, guess I don't wanna go to all that trouble right now. will ask at Elive to see if they know about it, or will do as you said and wait a while or 2 for new release :-) |
| 23:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | germanxn: I would recommend swap + / and keep it simple. |
| 23:02.15 | germanxn | reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Disk_Manager |
| 23:02.35 | Crumbz | germanxn, http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ldm.txt - better |
| 23:02.42 | germanxn | it says that is a partition scheme and that the SO needs to be aware of that |
| 23:02.54 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, yes, e17 debian experimental packages are coming soon, you should wait a little and then install those |
| 23:03.02 | germanxn | any way if the error says that the ldm database is corrupt |
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| 23:03.14 | Crumbz | germanxn, it might just be worth backing up and reinstalling your system |
| 23:03.56 | germanxn | :-( |
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| 23:04.10 | germanxn | i have just one hardrive |
| 23:04.18 | bennypr0fane | Artemis3 experimental doesn't sound more stable... |
| 23:04.36 | Crumbz | germanxn, you have learnt your lesson then. ;) |
| 23:05.14 | germanxn | is that lesson "dont delete the 1 mb partition"?? |
| 23:05.17 | germanxn | lol |
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| 23:05.25 | jhutchins_wk | germanxn: You should be fine if you delete the existing partitions and create new, linux compatible partitions. |
| 23:05.41 | Artemis3 | bennypr0fane, it is the debian way. the e17 release packag will land experimental first |
| 23:06.00 | germanxn | the rare thing about this, is that the partition scheme isnt corrupt |
| 23:06.01 | jhutchins_wk | germanxn: When you install grub to the MBR it should take care of eliminating the link to the ldm data. |
| 23:06.22 | somiaj | Artemis3: not always, most packges hit sid first, experimential is only for extra buggy packages |
| 23:06.34 | germanxn | i mean i just have primary partitions, i can see them |
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| 23:07.04 | engla | right now experimental is used for packages that are not for sid -> wheezy -> next release |
| 23:07.13 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: experimential isn't a full debian, it is only extra packages that the matainer deems to buggy to just put directly into sid, which is where most packages go first. |
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| 23:07.53 | somiaj | engla: are they gonna start doing this more often? Or just due to the freeze not wanting newer versions in sid to mess with the standard package migration? |
| 23:08.05 | Arrowmaster | its just because of the freeze |
| 23:08.33 | Arrowmaster | when there is not a freeze, experimental is mostly used for well experimental stuff |
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| 23:08.36 | somiaj | yea I noticed more packages there than normal. But I usually only track sid not experimential |
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| 23:09.11 | engla | somiaj: no idea if it's changing |
| 23:09.26 | somiaj | sounds like something with the freeze I just haven't noticed before |
| 23:09.28 | bennypr0fane | somiaj so there is something even more buggy than Sid "experimental" is part of the release cycle as well in DEbian? |
| 23:09.45 | PerfDave | sid isn't part of the release cycle, since it's never released. |
| 23:10.12 | PerfDave | But sid is pretty much a full distribution, whereas experimental just contains packages that the maintainers want to... experiment with. |
| 23:10.21 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: no, experimental is not a full os in any sense, it is a place for extra packages deemed experimential and not ready to plop into sid which is where most upgraded packages go first |
| 23:10.31 | Artemis3 | well it might go straight to sid... the package maintainer mentioned "experimental" tho. |
| 23:10.54 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: seems they are using it to pool newer packges in now during the freeze as well to make the standard package transition nicer. |
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| 23:11.28 | bennypr0fane | I meant "cycle" as the greater scheme of things, I was wondering if "experimental" was like a seperate "thing".... |
| 23:12.02 | Artemis3 | experimental, unstable, testing, stable, old stable, thats how i see it |
| 23:12.09 | bennypr0fane | I just thought there wasn't anything other than Sid to put new pkgs into |
| 23:12.14 | somiaj | bennypr0fane: it is and we just describe what it is for. |
| 23:12.22 | bennypr0fane | sure |
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| 23:12.55 | somiaj | Artemis3: it is just experiemential is a side to sid (as opposed to a full os like the others in the list) |
| 23:13.07 | Artemis3 | yeah i know ;) |
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| 23:13.45 | PigDude | Is anyone aware of issues w/ Debian Multimedia?: W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found |
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| 23:13.54 | cardiel | someone know if minissdpd is used by gnome? its started ,but i dont know why its running |
| 23:14.00 | Artemis3 | its called deb-multimedia |
| 23:14.35 | Artemis3 | PigDude, http://deb-multimedia.org/ |
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| 23:17.41 | jhutchins_wk | PigDude: That happens sometimes when he's working on it, like updating. |
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| 23:18.16 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, right, missed it. |
| 23:18.28 | jhutchins_wk | PigDude: The official devs are on his case. |
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| 23:20.37 | Arrowmaster | cardiel: i think transmission uses it |
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| 23:22.42 | Flashtek | yep, squid is not liking ipv6 at all... |
| 23:23.07 | Flashtek | unless there is some wierd configuration thing i missed...? |
| 23:23.10 | PigDude | thanks :^) |
| 23:24.23 | Costanza | installing cinnamon now.. lets try this thing |
| 23:24.43 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok thanks |
| 23:24.59 | cardiel | think i will remove it since i dont use upnp |
| 23:24.59 | trist4n | i liked it, Costanza. |
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| 23:25.34 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt mind if Cinnamon becomes the new default environment in Jessie |
| 23:25.58 | Arrowmaster | probably wont happen but i wouldnt mind at all if it did |
| 23:26.42 | b0ss_ | somiaj: I just ran successfully: dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 23:26.49 | b0ss_ | now what ? |
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| 23:27.19 | Costanza | its not so bad.. |
| 23:27.42 | somiaj | b0ss_: follow the next instruction to reload the module (with modprobe) and then you should see your wireless device in the ouput of /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 23:29.21 | Costanza | i seee there is also gnome classic.. was that going away or the fallback option? they are different things as i see it |
| 23:29.28 | b0ss_ | somiaj: so the next instruction is not clear.. Should I restart the wireless device ? |
| 23:31.28 | somiaj | b0ss_: step 3), remove then reload the iwlagn module |
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| 23:32.02 | Crumbz | What is the easiest way to download .deb armel packages on an x86_64 system? aptitude download package.deb - seems to work but I cannot specify an arch. |
| 23:32.21 | somiaj | Crumbz: packages.debian.org? |
| 23:32.30 | b0ss_ | donw |
| 23:32.35 | b0ss_ | step 4 as well |
| 23:32.51 | b0ss_ | after iwconfig it shows: |
| 23:32.55 | b0ss_ | l0 no extensions |
| 23:33.01 | Crumbz | somiaj, I cant seem to find actual packages on there - just archives for source files |
| 23:33.05 | b0ss_ | eth0 no wireless extensions |
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| 23:33.37 | b0ss_ | wlan0 IEEE 802.llabgn |
| 23:34.00 | somiaj | Crumbz: packages.debian.org/packagename -- find the one you want, click on it, there is a download option for the different arches below |
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| 23:35.56 | Crumbz | somiaj, thanls. Got it. :) |
| 23:36.01 | Crumbz | thanks* |
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| 23:37.43 | b0ss_ | somiaj: next step, please ? |
| 23:38.20 | somiaj | b0ss_: type /sbin/ifconfig -a -- do you see your wireless device there? |
| 23:38.32 | somiaj | most likely it is called wlan0 |
| 23:38.44 | somiaj | (also check the output of dmesg | tail to see the firmware was correctly loaded) |
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| 23:39.36 | Costanza | oh, well well http://news.softpedia.com/news/GNOME-Fallback-Mode-Returns-in-GNOME-3-8-311260.shtml |
| 23:39.38 | Costanza | :) |
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| 23:42.50 | b0ss_ | somiaj: is it eth0 Link encap:Ethernet ... and so on ? |
| 23:43.43 | somiaj | b0ss_: check demsg to see what it is called. |
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| 23:44.01 | somiaj | b0ss_: eth0 is usually a wired device and wlan0 is usually wireless. But this need not be the case. |
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| 23:45.34 | b0ss_ | somiaj: wait |
| 23:45.47 | b0ss_ | wlan0 exhibits the same message |
| 23:46.03 | somiaj | b0ss_: wlan0 is is youre wireless device. Now you just have to configure it |
| 23:46.11 | b0ss_ | I mean for a differnet hw address |
| 23:46.29 | somiaj | b0ss_: that is because it is a different device. Just configure it with /etc/network/interfaces or use network-manager |
| 23:46.39 | b0ss_ | thanks. |
| 23:46.44 | b0ss_ | how ? :) |
| 23:46.58 | somiaj | b0ss_: look this up, it is well docmented |
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| 23:48.02 | c0ld | hello im getting connection closed after a timeout on debian... where in the config can i remove the timeout kick? |
| 23:48.11 | b0ss_ | somiaj: in that file I found only two lines |
| 23:48.20 | b0ss_ | auto lo |
| 23:48.36 | b0ss_ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 23:48.41 | un214 | c0ld: I'm not sure you can |
| 23:49.04 | somiaj | b0ss_: yes you have to add the correct lines for the wireless device. use google or 'man interfaces' |
| 23:49.14 | somiaj | b0ss_: do you have a graphical enviorment installed? |
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| 23:50.47 | somiaj | b0ss_: also you may need to install wireless-tools and wpasupplicant (if you want wpa encryption) to get the card to work the same way you did that firmware file |
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