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| 00:01.09 | ikla | whats the easiest way to sync packages from one debian box to another? |
| 00:01.14 | hanasaki | does the version of kvm in debian stable and/or debian testing suffer from this same bug that is in the ubuntu packaged version? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/520386 |
| 00:01.15 | ikla | so they have identical packages installed |
| 00:01.54 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.00 | abrotman | !tell ikla about aptitude clone |
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| 00:03.44 | ikla | can I turn off secure apt? |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | why would you? |
| 00:04.05 | ikla | so I don't get gpg errors on my local mirror |
| 00:04.10 | abrotman | install the key? |
| 00:04.17 | ikla | abrotman, I want it off |
| 00:04.31 | abrotman | read the man pages |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | !tell ikla about apt-secure |
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| 00:09.34 | b0ss_ | Can anyone help me on it ? |
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| 00:09.45 | abrotman | on what? |
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| 00:10.02 | abrotman | b0ss_: is your wifi actually working? |
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| 00:12.32 | b0ss_ | yes, it is. |
| 00:12.44 | b0ss_ | As I wrote. It's able to find my SSID |
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| 00:12.57 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 00:13.03 | b0ss_ | let me type it again |
| 00:13.06 | b0ss_ | I need to setup wireless acces for Debian Squeeze in my laptop. I can't use Ethernet access. First I ran dpkg -l wireless-tools and there's one entry. Then I ran dpkg -l wpasupplicant and there's also one entry. My modified /etc/network/interfaces is as follows: https://gist.github.com/4439444. At the end I tried ifup wlan0 but I was not able to connect. Yes, my SSID is listed though iwlist |
| 00:13.06 | b0ss_ | wlan0 scan. Ideas?? |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | i can scroll up |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | or not |
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| 00:14.05 | abrotman | b0ss_: and if you 'ifup wlan0' ? |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | did you check dmesg for output? |
| 00:15.05 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: see "/msg dpkg dmm list" and/or "/msg dpkg non-free list" for some aptitude searching tips |
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| 00:16.48 | hanasaki1 | . |
| 00:17.09 | b0ss_ | abrotman: how do I do that, please? I'm a newbie. |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | b0ss_: in one terminal: "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" .. in another "ifup wlan0" |
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| 00:20.21 | b0ss_ | for the first one it returns me a series of lines. The first one starts with [ 69.663978] wlan0: deauthenticated from |
| 00:20.52 | b0ss_ | and it enters in a loop as if it was expecting something else... Is it ok ? |
| 00:20.55 | b0ss_ | so far. |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | b0ss_: does it sound okay? |
| 00:21.20 | b0ss_ | how could I possibly know? It's all new for me. |
| 00:21.35 | abrotman | does it say "no workie" or 'error' anywhere? |
| 00:22.35 | b0ss_ | ah ok.. natural language.. very confusing. |
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| 00:23.13 | abrotman | b0ss_: if you 'ifconfig -a' .. does wlan0 have an ip? |
| 00:23.30 | b0ss_ | let me print the response of the first command |
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| 00:26.05 | b0ss_ | abrotman: output from dmesg: https://gist.github.com/4439675 |
| 00:26.08 | b0ss_ | next step ? |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | uhm, it seems fine? |
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| 00:27.26 | b0ss_ | what do you mean ? |
| 00:27.27 | theos911 | Hello, is anyone here familiar with mach64? |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | b0ss_: /sbin/ifconfig -a ... does it have an IP ? |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | theos911: just ask |
| 00:28.33 | theos911 | How would I got about enabling video acceleration on a Rage Pro LT (mach64 chip)? |
| 00:29.06 | b0ss_ | abrotman: wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HW Address 00:21 and so on.... |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | does it have an IP ? |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | theos911: you cannot AFAIK |
| 00:29.54 | abrotman | theos911: is that a server, or a system from 2002? |
| 00:30.10 | theos911 | Laptop from 1998 |
| 00:30.12 | theos911 | ppc no less |
| 00:30.23 | abrotman | theos911: yeah, hw accel wasn't as big of a tihng back then |
| 00:31.01 | theos911 | I know it is possible, many posts from 2009 talk about it, but the libdrm structure has changed since then. |
| 00:31.06 | theos911 | Something with mach64.ko |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | theos911: you're welcome to ask #xorg |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | or #freedesktop |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | or even #ati |
| 00:31.35 | abrotman | but i suspect they'll all tell you the same thing .. |
| 00:31.44 | theos911 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Powerbook_G3 |
| 00:31.54 | theos911 | That guy had 2D acceleration running. |
| 00:32.06 | b0ss_ | abrotman: output from ifconfig: https://gist.github.com/4439726 |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | theos911: what makes you think you don't have 2D accel ? |
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| 00:32.23 | abrotman | thought theos911 wanted 3d accel |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | b0ss_: dhclient wlan0 |
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| 00:32.52 | theos911 | Oh no |
| 00:32.59 | theos911 | I just want to get it off the software rasterizer |
| 00:33.06 | abrotman | for what? |
| 00:33.22 | theos911 | For basic things like transparency |
| 00:33.29 | abrotman | theos911: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | theos911: i'd really ask #xorg .. i think you're SoL |
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| 00:34.24 | abrotman | theos911: which distro are you using? that may have some impact |
| 00:34.47 | theos911 | Debian Squeeze |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | theos911: ask #ati .. see what they say .. hopefully someone there remembers |
| 00:35.29 | b0ss_ | abrotman: I just typed it. It entered in a loop. And the bluetooth light is blinking. |
| 00:35.41 | abrotman | b0ss_: loop is good .. it's trying to connect |
| 00:35.45 | b0ss_ | wait. Just finished it. |
| 00:35.51 | b0ss_ | with no response. |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | b0ss_: ifconfig -a .. still no ip? |
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| 00:36.49 | b0ss_ | same result from the other. |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | and iwlist sees your ssid? |
| 00:38.32 | abrotman | steps away for a moment |
| 00:38.38 | b0ss_ | yes, it's able to see it. Cell 01 |
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| 00:43.32 | b0ss_ | abrotman: can I go any further ? :) |
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| 00:52.15 | kveroneau | remembering when a KDE download was only 54MB, 96 packages, and 163MB extracted... |
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| 00:53.50 | average_drifter | erm |
| 00:54.05 | average_drifter | how do you explain spikes in a request/minute graph of a squid server ? |
| 00:54.17 | average_drifter | it seems to be rather the norm .. and not a special case |
| 00:54.22 | average_drifter | I find this to be very weird |
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| 00:54.37 | average_drifter | any ideas ? |
| 00:56.34 | Towzzer | hi folks |
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| 01:03.19 | noRulez | hello friends |
| 01:04.15 | Towzzer | greetings friend! |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | b0ss_: i was making dinner :) |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | b0ss_: are you the only one using it ? |
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| 01:06.28 | b0ss_ | abrotman: making dinner? Humm... So you are at Americas as well. |
| 01:06.32 | b0ss_ | :) |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | b0ss_: yes |
| 01:06.39 | b0ss_ | Yes, I'm the only one using it. |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | b0ss_: the name of your SSID is Cell 01 ? |
| 01:07.13 | b0ss_ | no, it's "Fire in the Sky" |
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| 01:09.52 | abrotman | b0ss_: what is your wifi device? |
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| 01:10.02 | b0ss_ | Cisco WRT160N |
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| 01:10.34 | b0ss_ | It's up and running. My desktop connects to it through the cable. |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | i meant the wifi in your laptop that isn't working |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | b0ss_: what is 'uname -a', what is 'lspci -nn' |
| 01:14.43 | trist4n | they are both commands |
| 01:14.44 | trist4n | (≖‿≖ ) |
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| 01:17.06 | rxt0 | Hi there, building custom debian live cd here, after doing a clean # lb config -d wheezy and # lb build, it shows me the error: Cannot stat source directory "chroot" |
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| 01:20.21 | knob | Good evening everybody =) |
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| 01:21.07 | knob | I'm looking at the Debian distribution page, and I'm not sure which version to download. |
| 01:21.31 | knob | I want to emulate a "plug computer" I have, which is running """"Linux dreamplug-debian 2.6.39.4 #62 PREEMPT Sat Mar 31 16:14:14 EDT 2012 armv5tel GNU/Linux""" |
| 01:21.47 | knob | Any thoughts where would that specific dist be acquired? |
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| 01:22.43 | abrotman | there's #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:23.20 | knob | Ahh... ok, I'm headed over there. |
| 01:23.22 | knob | Thank you! |
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| 01:38.28 | knob | Hey guys... I went over to #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net, yet... it's kinda... quiet |
| 01:38.32 | knob | I'm looking at this page: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
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| 01:38.47 | knob | Any thoughts if in that page I can download: dreamplug-debian 2.6.39.4 |
| 01:38.48 | knob | ? |
| 01:39.01 | knob | I don't see that one specifically... and I'm not sure... if it's the same. |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | knob: that doesn't sound like a debian kernel |
| 01:39.18 | knob | Oh... ok. Sorry, I'm just a n00b on this |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | let me rephrase |
| 01:39.31 | average_drifter | how do you explain spikes on a traffic graph from a high-traffic server ? |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | it sounds like a "debian"-ish kernel .. but not something official |
| 01:39.50 | knob | Ahhh... ok |
| 01:39.58 | knob | So, google would be my best bet? |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | knob: it may help |
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| 01:40.20 | knob | Ok, thank you... let me see what I ... what I find =) |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | knob: the guy that was working on the plug is in that channel |
| 01:40.29 | knob | Oh really? |
| 01:40.29 | knob | dang |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | knob: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ |
| 01:40.45 | knob | Wow, thank you |
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| 01:41.52 | abrotman | knob: why are you looking for that kernel specifically? |
| 01:42.08 | knob | Well, doesn't have to be that one specifically... here's my thinking: |
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| 01:42.24 | knob | I have one of those "plug computers" with that kernel... and I want to do some tests with a webcam |
| 01:42.49 | knob | So I would like to create a Virtual Machine with that same Debian... so when I get it working, it'll be as smooth as possible the transition from virtual machine to physical machine |
| 01:43.03 | knob | What do you think? Can I run a different version, and it shouldn't change too much? |
| 01:43.18 | knob | I just don't know... that's why I wanted to be "on the safe side" and try it out with the exact same version |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | i'd think it wouldn't be too different, but i don't have a sheeva |
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| 01:44.16 | knob | Ok... so with a "plug computer", it should be enough? |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | dunno .. i don't have a plug! |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:47.08 | knob | ok ok =) |
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| 01:49.05 | doomwake | hello |
| 01:49.33 | knob | Hi doomwake |
| 01:49.58 | knob | Another n00b question: From the whole gammut of debian-cd downloads for i386.... do I download all DVDs? |
| 01:50.03 | knob | Or just 1 image? |
| 01:50.34 | doomwake | all you need is the one |
| 01:50.40 | knob | Ah, ok |
| 01:50.42 | knob | The first one? |
| 01:50.51 | doomwake | es |
| 01:50.53 | doomwake | yes |
| 01:50.55 | knob | ok, thanks =) |
| 01:50.57 | dvs | knob: if you have an internet connection |
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| 01:51.25 | doomwake | who doesnt now a days lol |
| 01:51.35 | xsappyx | average_drifter: higher traffic? do the access logs show a spike around then too? |
| 01:52.46 | kveroneau | knob, The plug computers use a different process than what is virtualized in a Virtual Machine, you won't be-able to transfer a working machine from say VirtualBox onto a plug computer. |
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| 01:53.19 | knob | Oh... I see. |
| 01:53.21 | knob | ok |
| 01:53.22 | kveroneau | knob, another thing to consider, is the kernel version you will be using on the plug and the kernel version which will be in the virtual machine. |
| 01:53.22 | knob | hm |
| 01:53.55 | kveroneau | knob, the webcam driver may be compiled for the x86 platform, but might not be compiled into the plug computer kernel. |
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| 01:54.30 | knob | ah crap =\ |
| 01:54.31 | kveroneau | knob, When I used a sheevaplug, I needed to compile drivers to make a USB wifi adapter work on the SheevaPlug. |
| 01:54.42 | knob | sh33t |
| 01:55.14 | kveroneau | knob, check each kernel available for your plug and see which one has the driver used on your Desktop Linux machine with the cam working. Use lsmod to see which driver is in use. |
| 01:55.29 | knob | lsmod... ok |
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| 01:56.21 | knob | looking into all of that... thank you |
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| 01:57.08 | kveroneau | knob, since the driver is open sourced and compiling is fairly easy, it shouldn't be too much trouble to get the webcam working. Look for a v4l(video4linux) compatible plug kernel, most newer cams are supported by this. |
| 01:57.29 | knob | ok |
| 01:57.37 | knob | copy/pasting all this stuff to my notebook |
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| 01:58.08 | dimadima | hi. if i stat a directory and it has 3 links (i'm used to seeing only 2), how can i enumerate that directory's links? |
| 01:58.09 | kveroneau | Good idea, the plugcomputing forums are a good source of information. I am sure someone has already done what you are attempting. |
| 02:00.24 | xsappyx | dimadima: find maybe? find . -type l |
| 02:01.16 | dimadima | xsappyx: yeah, there is a find switch to match files that are links of a specified file. was wondering if there was another way |
| 02:02.06 | abrotman | to or from? |
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| 02:03.57 | b0ss_ | abroman: sorry for late response. Yes, with islist wlan0 scan I'm able to see my SSID |
| 02:04.25 | isaac__ | Hi, a friend just installed Debian from a usb drive. Everything went seemingly well, but now it boots up, and shows an orange screen with just grabage stuff on it |
| 02:04.27 | isaac__ | and then it goes to black |
| 02:04.37 | isaac__ | Any idea what's wrong? |
| 02:04.46 | isaac__ | it's on a laptop. |
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| 02:05.38 | abrotman | b0ss_: i asked for a bunch of other stuff |
| 02:05.56 | Shoya | question, what's a good p2p program that you guys recommend? cuz well Deluge is actually making my comp freeze |
| 02:06.01 | Shoya | for some weird reason |
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| 02:06.51 | dvs | abrotman: His wireless adapter is working. It's just connecting to his router that's the problem. |
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| 02:07.56 | abrotman | dvs: but his dmesg shows it is |
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| 02:08.27 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:09.04 | LtL | isaac__: try the nomodeset parameter at the grub menu entry and boot |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | dvs: https://gist.github.com/4439675 |
| 02:09.08 | b0ss_ | abrotman: uname -a >>> Linux myworkshop 2.6.2.32-5-686 #-1 SMP Sun Sep |
| 02:09.26 | isaac__ | LtL, sorry I'm a noob at linux, how do I do that? |
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| 02:11.20 | LtL | isaac__: at the grub menu, you have less than 5 seconds to press 'e' for edit, locate the 'linux' line that loads the linux kernel. append the term nomodeset at the very end of that line and ctrl+x to boot it. It works 'sometimes.' |
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| 02:11.56 | b0ss_ | dvs: you'be been watching my issue. Any tip on it ? |
| 02:11.58 | zophy | !dpkg kismet |
| 02:11.59 | dpkg | Kismet is a wireless network detector, sniffer and <IDS>. Read /usr/share/doc/kismet/README.gz for details, it will not work with <ndiswrapper>. Not part of the Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" release due to Debian bug #693351. http://www.kismetwireless.net/ #kismet at irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:11.59 | LtL | isaac__: fyi - its only a ugly hack but it's a start. |
| 02:12.17 | dvs | b0ss_: I just got here. |
| 02:12.33 | isaac__ | ah, ok thanks... I'll try that, LtL |
| 02:12.40 | LtL | isaac__: ok |
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| 02:13.36 | b0ss_ | dvs: Here's my drama: I need to setup wireless acces for Debian Squeeze in my laptop. I can't use Ethernet access. First I ran dpkg -l wireless-tools and there's one entry. Then I ran dpkg -l wpasupplicant and there's also one entry. My modified /etc/network/interfaces is as follows: https://gist.github.com/4439444. At the end I tried ifup wlan0 but I was not able to connect. Yes, my SSID |
| 02:13.36 | b0ss_ | is listed from iwlist wlan0 scan. Ideas?? |
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| 02:14.26 | isaac__ | LtL, what's the line look like? |
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| 02:14.44 | dvs | b0ss_: Yeah, I was the one that got your interfaces file to that state. I still don't have any new ideas |
| 02:14.50 | isaac__ | "linux /boot ...." ? |
| 02:15.07 | isaac__ | or initrd |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | dvs: that dmesg output is normal AFAICT |
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| 02:16.38 | LtL | isaac__: it will be the first menu entry starting with something like this - linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0 |
| 02:16.50 | isaac__ | ah ok, thanks |
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| 02:17.07 | LtL | isaac__: your number may be 2.6x |
| 02:17.28 | isaac__ | so that'd just change to "linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0 nomodset" ? |
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| 02:18.26 | LtL | isaac__: move the cursor to the very end of that linem, add a space, type nomodeset press control+x to boot it |
| 02:18.36 | isaac__ | ok, thanks! |
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| 02:18.50 | LtL | isaac__: welcome hope it works |
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| 02:22.06 | zophy | b0ss_: does /sbin/iwconfig show the proper essid and key values ? |
| 02:24.28 | isaac__ | LtL, it aint working... I guess just, how do I put windows back in the grub loader, then? |
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| 02:25.08 | LtL | isaac__: i wouldnt give up but if you insist you'll need a windows disk to fix the MBR |
| 02:25.38 | isaac__ | I can't add it to grub from that edit menu thing? And what else is there to do? |
| 02:26.22 | LtL | isaac__: i assume the install didn't detect windows. no you can't there there from -there- |
| 02:26.32 | b0ss_ | zophy: it shows at wlan0 property the correct ESSID |
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| 02:27.05 | isaac__ | LtL, nope it only shows debian or debian recovery. Debian recovery boots to a garbage orange screen just the same
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| 02:28.40 | LtL | isaac__: it's likely a video issue, if you can get to a console it's fixable. booting a recovery windows disk you can run fixmbr or something like that, it's in google somewhere. |
| 02:28.55 | isaac__ | okay... |
| 02:29.20 | LtL | isaac__: there are other boot parameters you can try also |
| 02:29.35 | isaac__ | I guess she's installing it again now... |
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| 02:31.01 | isaac__ | Thanks for the help, LtL |
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| 02:31.12 | LtL | isaac__: you're welcome |
| 02:31.12 | Chr1s_1 | sup |
| 02:35.33 | b0ss_ | ... |
| 02:35.57 | Chr1s_1 | hi b0ss_ |
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| 02:39.35 | b0ss_ | hi Chr1s_1 |
| 02:39.55 | Chr1s_1 | why is it so quite here, but not @#archlinux |
| 02:40.25 | Towzzer | archlinux has an electricity about it |
| 02:40.31 | Towzzer | i just can't explain |
| 02:40.38 | b0ss_ | what ? |
| 02:41.01 | isaac__ | LtL, Ok, so just before the orange screen, it does the boot text stuff |
| 02:41.06 | isaac__ | and the last thing it says is |
| 02:41.20 | Chr1s_1 | what what b0ss_ |
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| 02:41.30 | isaac__ | "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated ...[ SOME NUMBERS SOMETHING, address EXsomething already in use |
| 02:41.43 | b0ss_ | never mind... |
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| 02:46.12 | LtL | isaac__: theres other boot settings to try i dont know offhand, acpi=off maybe, i dunno if you can get it booted you got a chance |
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| 03:39.13 | kingsley | Which video editing packages are currently the best? |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | kdenlive /. |
| 03:39.24 | abrotman | ? |
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| 03:41.47 | dgriffi | I have a freshly-installed wheezy box and can't get wicd to show me any WAPs. network-manager will show them, but I don't want to use it |
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| 03:42.37 | abrotman | dgriffi: did you tell wicd what your wifi interface is? |
| 03:43.33 | dgriffi | abrotman: please accept this wet noodle and beat me with it. |
| 03:43.56 | dgriffi | the same thing every time... wicd doesn't assume anything. grr |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | all sorted out? |
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| 03:44.25 | dgriffi | that fixed it. next problem: the bell in xterm and other terminal emulators won't ring |
| 03:44.40 | abrotman | !tell dgriffi about bell |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | sounds like a volume setting though |
| 03:46.32 | dgriffi | actually, no |
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| 03:47.19 | cesurasean | hey guys. how to fix this? - Warning: include() [function.include]: Failed opening 'MDB2/Driver_pgsql.php' for inclusion |
| 03:47.39 | cesurasean | I have a MDB2/Driver/pgsql.php, but not this file? Copy over to that name and dir? |
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| 03:47.56 | dgriffi | I found that in squeeze, I needed to have the freedesktop-sound-theme package installed before I could get at the sound settings. Then it would work. I have that package installed and I see the sound settings, but xterm won't beep. console beeps just fine |
| 03:49.57 | dgriffi | any ideas? |
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| 04:06.53 | dgriffi | sorry... dodgy wap.. any ideas on why the terminal bell won't sound with xterm but will on the console? |
| 04:07.17 | nvz | well perhaps its because they're two totally different things |
| 04:07.32 | nvz | one is managed by setterm and the other by xset |
| 04:07.53 | nvz | one is a function of the kernel, the other is a function of the xserver |
| 04:07.57 | dgriffi | nvz: I'm aware of that |
| 04:08.03 | dgriffi | xset b on does nothing |
| 04:08.16 | nvz | apparently not, cause you're making an apples to oranges comparison |
| 04:08.41 | dgriffi | diddling with the volume control applet does nothing |
| 04:08.46 | gnarface | dgriffi: "visual bell" may be the default in xset. |
| 04:08.52 | gnarface | dgriffi: or in xterm |
| 04:09.04 | nvz | it is.. |
| 04:09.21 | gnarface | but urxvt dings by default |
| 04:09.29 | gnarface | you have to add -vb |
| 04:10.28 | nvz | personally the only thing I think should tick, chime, beep or otherwise is a bomb. cause then I don't have to kill it.. its gonna blow up anyhow.. |
| 04:11.11 | nvz | alarms are for things that should cause alarm.. like a bomb about to go off.. when you should run like hell |
| 04:11.44 | nvz | for things less severe, their alerts should be far more subtle :-P |
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| 04:12.48 | nvz | though I'm hyper aware so it really annoys me :-P I dont even have a direct line of sight to my phone right now and if it were blinking, I'd know it.. |
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| 04:15.07 | doomwake | because if it were blink it would also make sound? |
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| 04:17.05 | dgriffi | can't find reference to bells in /etc/X11/app-defaults/* |
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| 04:19.23 | gnarface | doomwake: no, if it blinks it does not make a sound then. |
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| 04:20.10 | gnarface | dgriffi: i can't imagine why you'd look there. considered trying the xterm manpage? |
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| 04:25.48 | dgriffi | gnarface: This sort of thing always seems to happen and the solution often varies |
| 04:26.43 | dgriffi | gnarface: I managed to stumble across the fix THIS time because I decided, on a lark, to do an X11 login to the Classic Gnome desktop instead of Mate like I have been. |
| 04:26.44 | gnarface | dgriffi: i'm sorry but there's nothing i can do to make that part better for you other than to tell you that the *solution* varies but figuring out how yourself is always the same exact process |
| 04:27.02 | gnarface | (read the damned manual) |
| 04:27.10 | dgriffi | gnarface: please... |
| 04:27.20 | gnarface | dgriffi: no. |
| 04:27.56 | dgriffi | gnarface: I found an instance of Mate and Gnome 3 fighting over resources. that's what caused it this time |
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| 04:30.57 | dgriffi | wonders what the "no" was actually for. my "please" was a protest of "the problem wasn't that simple" |
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| 04:32.31 | SuperPhly | Hey guys, any issues with running transmission wheezy on squeeze? |
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| 04:32.43 | SuperPhly | or is there any place i can do a compatibility test? |
| 04:33.09 | cesurasean | anyone know how to fix this errors? - now im gettting these errors; http://simplewebhosting.us/roundcube/ |
| 04:33.54 | dgriffi | cesurasean: looks like a php problem rather than a linux problem |
| 04:34.21 | cesurasean | seems im having problems copying all the pgsql connectors into my chroot. |
| 04:34.23 | dgriffi | does anyone here have any problems with Pidgin on Wheezy? |
| 04:35.01 | cesurasean | earlier, i had this, and could not find this file on my system. am i missing a package? - Warning: include() [function.include]: Failed opening 'MDB2/Driver_pgsql.php' for inclusion |
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| 04:35.55 | LtL | SuperPhly: check backports, if tranmission is there that's the safe route for squeeze |
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| 05:21.52 | doomwake | is Linux Mint Debian . . . Debian with a linux mint gui? |
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| 05:22.41 | univyrse | mostly |
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| 05:23.44 | karlpinc | doomwake: But not really, since they have an entirely different approach as to what they include. |
| 05:24.28 | doomwake | So it just comes with more stuff isntall? |
| 05:24.34 | doomwake | installed* |
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| 05:26.13 | doomwake | it says its 100% compatible with debian |
| 05:26.17 | karlpinc | doomwake: They're willing to include all sorts of proprietary stuff, that by definition they can't fix. Better go ask them. They know better. |
| 05:26.40 | karlpinc | doomwake: Then why isn't it debian? :) |
| 05:27.00 | doomwake | well they are all going to say get it and say it is 100% debian |
| 05:27.08 | waynr | doomwake: i believe when they say "100% compatible" what they mean is that debian packages can always be installed on the system |
| 05:27.19 | doomwake | because its got the mint logo and gui and it comes with all teh extra programs |
| 05:28.28 | doomwake | so it is debian at its very core |
| 05:28.46 | waynr | doomwake: depends on what you consider the core |
| 05:29.29 | karlpinc | doomwake: Which does not mean that it works, but I have no direct experience with it. Debian is unwilling to break laws, and wants to be able to fix if it's broken. I hear this is not true of mint. (Witness the codeces it will play.) We will help you, here, do whatever you want with your debian box though. |
| 05:29.51 | karlpinc | doomwake: Everything based on debian is debian at it's core. |
| 05:30.05 | waynr | doomwake: some might argue that the core of debian is the system of values it promotes |
| 05:30.28 | doomwake | well like some of the commands you type in ubutu are different than on debian even tho its based of debian |
| 05:30.58 | karlpinc | doomwake: You might be interested in the <overview> factoid. |
| 05:31.04 | karlpinc | !tell doomwake about overview |
| 05:31.07 | waynr | doomwake: they might be different because of version differences |
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| 05:31.52 | doomwake | i know i should be in mint channel but i wanted to ask here because if i join mint i know they are just going to say yes .. yes and isntall it |
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| 05:32.09 | waynr | doomwake: even between two different versions of debian you will find differences in particulars such as the options supported in a particular command, or even in some cases there have been changes of name from one version of a package to another |
| 05:32.12 | karlpinc | doomwake: Then you might tell us what you're looking for in a distro. |
| 05:33.34 | doomwake | well i want to learn linux but i also want a distro that comes with alot of plugins and stuff so i dont hate it and jsut go back to windows |
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| 05:33.43 | doomwake | i really like the linux mint mate menu |
| 05:33.52 | karlpinc | doomwake: What's a plugin? |
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| 05:34.09 | doomwake | like video players and pdf viewers etc |
| 05:34.39 | karlpinc | !hard to use |
| 05:34.39 | dpkg | People say Debian is hard to use. This is because Debian emphasizes freedom so you must enable the installation of non-free software, like <flash>. See <overview>. |
| 05:35.30 | karlpinc | doomwake: Debian should work for you, but if you want lots of bling you're going to spend time installing stuff (mostly figuring out what you want to install). |
| 05:36.13 | doomwake | so what have you heard about mint thats bad? cause you said |
| 05:36.13 | doomwake | Debian is unwilling to break laws, and wants to be able to fix if it's broken. I hear this is not true of mint. |
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| 05:37.03 | LtL | DFSG http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 05:38.42 | optraz_ | How much space does the IPL (Initial Program Loader) take on disk? |
| 05:39.00 | karlpinc | doomwake: You might get people better able to talk about mint if you come back during business-ish hours usa time. Or not. It seems that's when the most experts are here. |
| 05:39.44 | doomwake | so have you ehard anything bad about mint? do they spy on you or something? |
| 05:39.51 | doomwake | heard* |
| 05:40.08 | karlpinc | doomwake: Anything that will play a commercial dvd and is not licensed by the movie studios (and mint isn't) is breaking US law, because it's breaking an encryption system. |
| 05:40.33 | doomwake | o ok |
| 05:40.50 | doomwake | also i work during business hours :( |
| 05:41.21 | doomwake | so is k-lite and vlc breaking US law? |
| 05:41.22 | karlpinc | doomwake: I don't know how mint is regards respecting other's copyright, but debian is good. |
| 05:41.25 | waynr | problem with laws is the morality they promote is a very weak form of morality |
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| 05:43.02 | karlpinc | doomwake: If you want to enable all the codecs in debian you need to recompile, say, vlc. vlc is not breaking the law by itself unless it's distributing binaries that include decss. |
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| 05:43.47 | cheetah2 | is there a way to get debian on one 4gb usb stick? |
| 05:43.50 | karlpinc | doomwake: It is not yet illegal to write code that would break the law when run. Freedom of speech and all that. |
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| 05:44.34 | waynr | karlpinc: by definition, if something breaks the law then it is illegal |
| 05:44.40 | karlpinc | cheetah2: See the install guide. You may also want <debian-live>. |
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| 05:45.06 | doomwake | so whats the illegal part? distro ing it? or even just giving it out to a friend? |
| 05:45.08 | karlpinc | !tell cheetah2 about debian-live |
| 05:45.24 | nvz | cheetah2: could pretty easily put debian-live on a thumbdrive |
| 05:45.54 | optraz | How much space does the IPL (Initial Program Loader) take on disk? |
| 05:46.01 | LtL | doomwake: thats the point, debian breaks no copyright laws, you have to do that yourself. |
| 05:46.03 | nvz | cheetah2: unetbootin.sf.net is a handy utility for mac/win/linux to bootstrap a thumbdrive |
| 05:46.46 | cheetah2 | because i went to the website and there were around 10 images |
| 05:47.10 | cheetah2 | and the live thing said i need a connection to download while installing. is that true? |
| 05:47.22 | nvz | cheetah2: right well its around 50cds for the entire debian repository.. however you not only won't but cannot use all of that |
| 05:47.39 | doomwake | Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.2.1 is what i use but it only runs on windows |
| 05:48.05 | nvz | unetbootin is cross-platform and works fairly well |
| 05:48.22 | nvz | I typically like to download isos though so I dont have to download every time I strap a new drive |
| 05:49.17 | gnarface | i just use apt-cacher-ng |
| 05:49.19 | doomwake | that will install a iso to a flsh drive and give you space to save your work on it |
| 05:49.50 | cheetah2 | so i just put the first image on the flash drive or what? |
| 05:49.54 | nvz | I dont see what apt-cacher has to do with unetbootin |
| 05:50.12 | doomwake | yep |
| 05:50.27 | nvz | cheetah2: no, you need to use a utility like unetbootin.. and the first iso of debian is an installer and a repository, its not a version of debian you can boot and use |
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| 05:50.43 | nvz | cheetah2: I assume you want a usable OS on this thumbdrive not an installer for one |
| 05:51.06 | cheetah2 | i mean 50 cds is excessive for me to download, i have download caps |
| 05:51.23 | cheetah2 | and i not always have internet |
| 05:51.44 | nvz | right well 50 cds has the entire repository.. using a standard desktop instlal of gnome only installs like 1200 of those 29000 packages |
| 05:52.09 | nvz | the cds are organized by popularity.. so if you DO want an installer, you only need the first cd |
| 05:52.38 | nvz | hhowever you want to choose the flavor of cd1 for whatever desktop you prefer, there is one for gnome, kde, lxde, and xfce |
| 05:53.01 | krisfremen | cheetah2: if you have "ok" internet, i'd suggest the netinst |
| 05:53.02 | cheetah2 | ok yes im thinking of switching because ubuntu has become commercial |
| 05:53.12 | nvz | ubuntu always was commercial |
| 05:53.28 | cheetah2 | yes but lately they're forcing it on the gui |
| 05:54.00 | cheetah2 | how secure is ubuntu, by the way. Could it possibly be spying on me? |
| 05:54.08 | nvz | cheetah2: anyhow what is it you're trying to achieve here.. do you want to actually install debian using a thumbdrive or do you want it running on the thumbdrive? |
| 05:54.43 | nvz | because downloading CD1 probably isnt even the best option for limited bandwidth.. it still has stuff you dont need and lacks stuff you may want |
| 05:55.04 | nvz | you're best off just downloading only the bare-minimum and installing it all over the internet so it only pulls what you want |
| 05:55.23 | nvz | if you're gonna install on more than one box, apt-cacher as gnarface said is a great option |
| 05:55.38 | nvz | it keeps packages that have been downloaded so other boxes don't have to download them again |
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| 05:56.25 | nvz | i.e. using a netinst or business card image, then using apt-cacher or something uses the least bandwidth |
| 05:56.25 | cheetah2 | ok ill be switching soon. How secure is ubuntu? is it all open source? |
| 05:56.41 | nvz | any discussion of ubuntu is not on topic here |
| 05:57.10 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 06:00.34 | Zerobeholder | You'll like debian. I use the ubuntu as my daily driver, but for all my servers Debian has been rock solid. |
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| 06:06.14 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 06:06.19 | doomwake | hi |
| 06:06.21 | ws2k3 | when i run apt-get upgrade i get this error : http://pastebin.com/EaGJ1BD3 |
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| 06:08.21 | ws2k3 | how should i fix that ? |
| 06:08.49 | Zerobeholder | I just started doing crap like that when I had the crazy desire to play with wheezy BRB, checking my notes. |
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| 06:10.12 | ws2k3 | anyone ? |
| 06:10.31 | Zerobeholder | ws2k3: http://pastebin.com/CiA8xMEG |
| 06:10.44 | Zerobeholder | You need to update and upgrade your system. |
| 06:10.53 | Zerobeholder | Then update just your kernel. |
| 06:11.11 | Zerobeholder | Then another round of update and upgrade. |
| 06:11.19 | Zerobeholder | Then all those packages you wanted. |
| 06:12.43 | ws2k3 | wel i runa pt-get upgrade it crashed |
| 06:12.53 | ws2k3 | and when i run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 it crashed to |
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| 06:14.39 | ws2k3 | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-57980.html |
| 06:14.42 | ws2k3 | what an easy fix |
| 06:15.48 | Zerobeholder | I was going to suggest: apt-get check |
| 06:16.00 | Zerobeholder | but if what you did worked, then that is great. |
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| 06:17.00 | ws2k3 | yes upgrade is done now |
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| 06:57.28 | Vasistha | hmm I usually do a netinst but don't have a sata cd drive. So maybe I can do a bootable USB install?? I'm looking here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:58.48 | Vasistha | under "other images" I see amd64, but this takes me to this odd list ... do I want hd-media? I'm not sure what to do with the files here, boot.img.gz, initrd.gz, vmlinuz |
| 06:59.22 | Sm0ke0ut | USB install is the same image as you'll normally use, but just on another mediatype |
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| 07:00.38 | Sm0ke0ut | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb @ Vasistha |
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| 07:00.54 | Vasistha | thanks , Sm0ke0ut |
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| 07:01.10 | Vasistha | oh okay that is awesome and easy yay! |
| 07:01.27 | Vasistha | just gotta find a usb stick to be my wiping victim |
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| 08:07.12 | henry_it | how to check version of apache2 in debian 6.06 and how to downgrade it |
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| 08:07.44 | Sm0ke0ut | apache2 -v |
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| 08:08.06 | Sm0ke0ut | and downgrading is not supported |
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| 08:16.17 | henry_it | how can i lower the version of apache in squeeze |
| 08:17.01 | gamer1990 | upgrade would be the better choice, since the shipped version is really old |
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| 08:17.46 | gamer1990 | henry_it, the only way would be to compile it from source-code, but that isn't the best way... |
| 08:18.07 | henry_it | can i use apt-get update |
| 08:18.23 | gamer1990 | no |
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| 08:26.46 | henry_it | how can i lower the version of apache in squeeze |
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| 08:31.14 | gnarface | henry_it: you could uninstall it then reinstall an older version manually from snapshots or something, or from source if its really old, but you'll probably run into numerous compatibility issues and its not supported or advised, since its almost certainly the hardest possible way to do what you want and unnecessarily insecure as well |
| 08:31.53 | gnarface | henry_it: why exactly is it that you think you need an old apache/ |
| 08:31.55 | gnarface | ? |
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| 08:42.51 | henry_it | because the my webserver have a problem |
| 08:43.19 | henry_it | the version of apache2 deb 6.06 2.2.19 i just want to lower to 2.2.9 |
| 08:43.50 | Sm0ke0ut | what problem? because some problems may be caused by configuration errors |
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| 08:52.27 | bnw | henry_it, type"nameserver <IP>", replace <IP> with you DNS server IP. |
| 08:53.01 | bnw | henry_it, you can type multiple line to include multiple DNS server. |
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| 08:56.34 | henry_it | but it will always gone |
| 08:56.51 | Flashtek | henry_it: using DHCP ? |
| 08:57.09 | bnw | I updated my debian testing last night, from 3.2.0-4 to 3.2.0-4, when I saw the new update had a same kernel version, I did not know what that surpose to mean, but update anyway, and can't boot into X now. |
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| 08:58.46 | henry_it | nope static ip |
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| 09:00.58 | bnw | I did "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" as debian wiki suggests, but it didn't work. It did not install anything. |
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| 09:01.50 | bnw | henry_it, gone? You mean the file was just gone or the content of the file? |
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| 09:02.31 | henry_it | the content of the file |
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| 09:06.37 | bnw | henry_it, did you edit the file as root, which I think should, or u can't save it. |
| 09:07.10 | henry_it | i edit the file as root |
| 09:07.32 | usman | Hi i have a quick question. if i want to uninstall a debian package , how can i check that what other packages are also dependent on it |
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| 09:09.15 | xgl__ | Happy new year ! |
| 09:10.03 | henry_it | how can i downgrade the version of apache2 debian squeeze in to 2.2.9 |
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| 09:10.55 | bnw | usman, just try removing it, and the dependant will show in the (to be remove) list. |
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| 09:15.56 | technologov | hi, I have very strange problem with new Debian 7 Wheezy: can't execute firefox |
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| 09:16.18 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ ll ./firefox-bin |
| 09:16.18 | technologov | -rwxr-xr-x 1 user vboxsf 93104 Nov 29 05:54 ./firefox-bin |
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| 09:16.25 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ ./firefox-bin |
| 09:16.25 | technologov | bash: ./firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 09:16.31 | technologov | any ideas why ? |
| 09:16.42 | henry_it | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:17.35 | technologov | but iceweasel WORKS. |
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| 09:20.15 | Bsims | henry_it: your fs is always being fscked? |
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| 09:20.51 | relipse | what would make you use my time-tracker site (for freelancers)? https://cworklog.com |
| 09:21.17 | henry_it | yes |
| 09:21.19 | peterrooney | relipse: now that you've spammed us, nothing. |
| 09:21.25 | henry_it | why is happening |
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| 09:23.00 | gray-- | technologov: can you pastebin the output when you 'strace ./firefox-bin' ? |
| 09:23.38 | Bsims | henry_it: look for a file named forcefsck on root |
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| 09:23.50 | technologov | well.. it looks that I by mistake changed the group of my user from "user" to "vboxsf" |
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| 09:24.56 | Bsims | technologov: that would be why... change it back |
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| 09:26.06 | deitarion | Has anyone ever attempted to "cross-grade" from Ubuntu to Debian by using the normal apt upgrade procedure but setting the new release as Debian Unstable rather than the newest Ubuntu? If so, are there any caveats for someone who, in the past, switched from Mandrake 10.0 to Gentoo by using the existing Mandrake install in place of the LiveCD? |
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| 09:28.25 | xand | deitarion: that is very not supported |
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| 09:28.36 | deitarion | xand: Obviously... but has anyone TRIED it? |
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| 09:28.52 | bniels | deitarion, why don't you just install fresh and then copy your files and migrate your configs from /home/<user>/? |
| 09:29.05 | Bsims | deitarion: it will break things, but yes it can be done... far better is to have /home as a separate partition |
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| 09:29.28 | deitarion | bniels: /home is a separate partition (as are /srv and /mnt/incoming). It's partly curiosity. |
| 09:29.38 | technologov | ok, changed it back to "user" group and restarted PC. Still no help. |
| 09:29.49 | technologov | Debian 6.0 runs FFox fine, but 7.0 does not. |
| 09:29.53 | deitarion | I suppose I could try it on my backup machine. It's not as if I use that 2Ghz Celeron for much beyond being a standby for my main PC these days. |
| 09:30.24 | Bsims | technologov: hrm wierd... I just use iceweasel or chromium though |
| 09:30.41 | technologov | iceweasel and chromium work. |
| 09:30.54 | Bsims | then I dunno sorry man |
| 09:31.09 | deitarion | Hmm. Maybe I should wait on switching to Debian then. I use Firefox (not IceWeasel) more than any other app on my desktop. |
| 09:31.14 | gray-- | technologov: is it trying to run from a partition that has 'noexec' ? |
| 09:31.23 | technologov | http://pastebin.com/GUzFtuYs |
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| 09:31.37 | technologov | here... paste of my FFox + strace |
| 09:31.38 | Bsims | iceweasel is firefox with a icon swap |
| 09:32.05 | bniels | deitarion, iceweasel is firefox, just a bit rebranded and some debian specific patches. you can use your exisiting firefox config for iceweasel just fine |
| 09:32.18 | deitarion | Bsims: I run the official Aurora channel builds so I get the crash reporter. |
| 09:32.24 | technologov | Bsims, not really, iceweasel is often older. I need latest and greatest FFox. |
| 09:32.48 | technologov | iceweasel is 'OK' for many tasks, but in this case I need latest FFox. |
| 09:32.48 | ectospasm | technologov: so install it. Nothing is stopping you. |
| 09:32.55 | gray-- | if you run 'ldd ./firefox-bin', can you pastebin that output please? |
| 09:33.02 | deitarion | I'm assuming IceWeasel is Firefox Stable. I run only Firefox Aurora. |
| 09:33.02 | technologov | I did. But FFox does not work on Debian 7. |
| 09:33.05 | gray-- | and also 'file ./firefox-bin' |
| 09:33.17 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ file ./firefox-bin |
| 09:33.17 | technologov | ./firefox-bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
| 09:33.33 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ ldd ./firefox-bin |
| 09:33.34 | technologov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.47 | somiaj | technologov: did you see the comment about a noexec partion? |
| 09:33.48 | bniels | deitarion, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 09:34.00 | gray-- | and now the output of 'uname -a' ? |
| 09:34.45 | deitarion | bniels: Good to know... but I'm guessing it's like the Ubuntu Aurora PPA and isn't built with the crash reporter? |
| 09:34.50 | Tired | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 09:34.51 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.11esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.11esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.11esr-1; experimental: |
| 09:34.52 | judd | 17.0.1-2 |
| 09:35.03 | technologov | well, this is strandard new Debian install, in single partition. |
| 09:35.09 | technologov | /dev/disk/by-uuid/facdb625-5da5-430a-a206-d38c44be49b3 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 09:35.11 | bniels | deitarion, i have no idea, sorry |
| 09:35.34 | deitarion | bniels: Does it display an "Oops. Firefox crashed." dialog if you xkill Firefox? |
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| 09:35.53 | gray-- | technologov: got the output of 'uname -a' ? |
| 09:35.58 | somiaj | technologov: ls -ld ~/Downloads ~/Downloads/firefox |
| 09:36.02 | bniels | deitarion, i don't run aurora |
| 09:36.10 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ uname -a |
| 09:36.10 | technologov | Linux deb7vm 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:36.19 | deitarion | bniels: Doesn't matter what channel. |
| 09:36.32 | gray-- | i think, i could be wrong, that you're trying to run a 32bit version of firefox on a 64bit system |
| 09:36.46 | somiaj | technologov: note it works here on sid, but I noticed it downloaded a 32bit versio instead of 64 bit version. This could mess with any plugins you have installed |
| 09:36.48 | technologov | user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ ls -ld ~/Downloads/ ~/Downloads/firefox |
| 09:36.54 | bniels | deitarion, well, i'm at work and on iceweasel 10 here. you probably don't want 10 |
| 09:36.56 | technologov | drwx------ 3 user user 4096 Jan 3 09:27 /home/user/Downloads/ |
| 09:36.56 | technologov | drwxr-xr-x 11 user user 4096 Nov 29 05:55 /home/user/Downloads/firefox |
| 09:37.03 | deitarion | bniels: Fair enough. |
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| 09:37.37 | technologov | AFAIK official FFox from Mozilla are always 32-bit. (even on 64-bit O.S) |
| 09:37.39 | somiaj | technologov: but your issue is more seeming to be it can't run the file in the first place. Does 'exec ./firefox-bin' still give you no file found? |
| 09:37.57 | technologov | bash: /home/user/Downloads/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 09:37.59 | technologov | yes. |
| 09:38.00 | somiaj | technologov: yea I ran into compadability issues with my flashplugin and such because of that on sid. |
| 09:38.18 | gray-- | somiaj: that might not mean the firefox-bin isn't found, it looks like something further down the tree isn't found |
| 09:38.20 | technologov | I don't need flash for now, but thx for warn. |
| 09:38.24 | deitarion | technologov: They don't draw attention to it, but they do provide official 64-bit builds for Linux. |
| 09:38.30 | somiaj | technologov: for some reason it isn't seeing that file/exectuable. You could try chmod 755 ~/Downloads -- but not sure if that is the issue or not. |
| 09:38.51 | technologov | but copy works... user@deb7vm:~/Downloads/firefox$ cp ./firefox-bin ./firefox-bin1 |
| 09:38.52 | technologov | `./firefox-bin' -> `./firefox-bin1' |
| 09:39.02 | technologov | strange, huh ? |
| 09:39.27 | somiaj | technologov: it is something with executing that binary. Not sure what, worked here on sid (Which is basically wheezy) just fine |
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| 09:39.38 | gray-- | try a 64bit version |
| 09:40.52 | technologov | gray--, where can I find ffox 64-bit for Debian ? |
| 09:40.58 | technologov | It doesn't seem to exist. |
| 09:41.12 | deitarion | technologov: The 64-bit equivalent to the tarballs on getfirefox.com is at http://mozilla.mirrors.tds.net/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/ |
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| 09:41.15 | somiaj | technologov: icewealse 17.0 is in experimential and is most likely installable in wheezy right now. |
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| 09:41.24 | gray-- | takes a step back and lets the debian experts answer that one :) |
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| 09:42.14 | gray-- | technologov: i guess if you want new software, you probably want ubuntu. debian keeps its repo stable for 2 whole years |
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| 09:42.19 | deitarion | As on Windows, their official tarballs provide their own updater. |
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| 09:42.48 | gray-- | (or you want to configure with unstable/testing repos) |
| 09:43.01 | technologov | gray--, I need only very very few packages bleeding edge. Everything else can be super-old, I don't care. |
| 09:43.28 | somiaj | technologov: running the static linked firefox should work just fine. I am not sure about your strange error. |
| 09:43.35 | Tired | or just the executable bit is not set? |
| 09:43.43 | somiaj | Tired: nope, checked all that |
| 09:43.49 | somiaj | Tired: had him run it with exec which shouldn't matter |
| 09:44.35 | Tired | actually that gives "Permission denied" |
| 09:44.52 | somiaj | guess exec doesn't run it with out the +x, but it gives the error 'permission denied' |
| 09:44.57 | gray-- | technologov: quite possibly the question that you need the answer to, is 'how do i install a specific package from testing, but keep the rest stable' ? |
| 09:44.58 | Tired | somiaj, but I just tried running an executable with exec ... that still gives permission denied |
| 09:45.10 | Tired | right |
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| 09:45.28 | henry_it | why im always keep checking fs |
| 09:45.29 | technologov | gray--, I know how (most of the time) |
| 09:45.41 | technologov | but FFox on Debian 7 is an exception... |
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| 09:48.39 | technologov | yes, 64-bit binary WORKS ! Thanks a lot ! |
| 09:48.49 | technologov | So... against who should I open a bug? |
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| 09:49.48 | gray-- | how did you acquire the 32bit version? |
| 09:49.53 | gray-- | apt-get ? |
| 09:50.00 | technologov | no. From mozilla.org |
| 09:50.52 | gray-- | so you just clicked the wrong one when you downloaded it? |
| 09:51.06 | deitarion | gray--: The main download screen on mozilla.org always offers 32-bit. |
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| 09:51.22 | deitarion | technologov: Were it not for error messages like "Permission denied", I'd be asking whether you'd forgotten to install the 32-bit versions of the libs Firefox depends on. |
| 09:51.25 | technologov | let me test same binary on Deb6 |
| 09:51.27 | BadCodSmell | Which library does debian use to parse /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:51.36 | somiaj | technologov: I think you have some issue then with 32bit comadabliity. (maybe you don't have multiarch installed with the niminal libc6 i386 libs) |
| 09:52.12 | somiaj | technologov: on deb6 you don't need to enable multiarch and just install ia32-libs...that could possibly be your issue. But the problem is with your setup |
| 09:52.37 | somiaj | technologov: have you enabled multiarch? |
| 09:52.43 | gray-- | thanks deitarion, i'm struggling to think of a way they could reliably tell whether a user's 32 or 64 bit |
| 09:52.52 | technologov | stock install. |
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| 09:53.13 | BadCodSmell | Is it a perl or python class debian uses? |
| 09:53.25 | technologov | gray: things like "file ..." gives idea about app bitness |
| 09:53.30 | deitarion | gray--: I could be wrong, but I think that's covered in the User-Agent header right next to what OS they're running. |
| 09:53.47 | technologov | "arch" command shows O.S bitness |
| 09:53.52 | somiaj | gray--: with dpkg, you can do dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:54.01 | technologov | "uname -a" command shows kernel bitness |
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| 09:54.20 | gray-- | deitarion: that'd just be the browser identification, not the system arch |
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| 09:54.37 | somiaj | that should tell the userland that dpkg is set to install, which should be accurate in most cases |
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| 09:54.49 | somiaj | technologov: /msg dpkg multiarch (enable multiarch install the libc6:i386 libs) |
| 09:54.50 | deitarion | gray--: Yeah, but the browser that comes with the system is generally built to native bit-width on Linux. |
| 09:54.56 | somiaj | technologov: see if you have the same issue with the 32bit binary |
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| 09:55.59 | somiaj | technologov: arch shows the kernel not the userland. Which may not be accurate because you can have a 64 bit kernel on a 32bit userland |
| 09:56.00 | gray-- | deitarion: indeed, but unless the OS is sent in the useragent string, then you'd still be struggling |
| 09:56.16 | deitarion | Here's a fragment of the User-Agent string Firefox sends --> X11; Linux x86_64 |
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| 09:57.28 | deitarion | ...and, for comparison, here's the whole one from Konqueror 4.8. --> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) KHTML/4.8.5 (like Gecko) Konqueror/4.8 |
| 09:58.20 | gray-- | shrugs and checks the rfc and sees nothing about OS type and arch. |
| 09:58.39 | gray-- | perhaps mozilla should take notice then, and then perhaps fall back to 32bit |
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| 09:59.25 | gray-- | this is one from my access logs: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_8) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.101 Safari/537.11 |
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| 10:01.00 | gray-- | 'Product tokens are used to allow communicating applications to identify themselves by software name and version. Most fields using product tokens also allow sub-products which form a significant part of the application to be listed, separated by white space.' (rfc2616, section 3.8) |
| 10:01.01 | deitarion | On my platform, that parenthesized description is identical in Firefox, Chromium, Arora, Konqueror, Opera, Luakit, and rekonq. However, Midori flat-out lies and claims it's Safari on MacOS X. |
| 10:01.08 | gray-- | gets back on-topic :) |
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| 10:01.56 | gray-- | could be argued well that OS is a significant part of the application's env :) |
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| 10:28.32 | boudiccas | when running 'radio' with 'radio -c /dev/radio0 -s' i get terminal windows full of 'VIDIOC_G_TUNER: Inappropriate ioctl for device' does this mean that i'm missing some hardware? like a radio card, if there is such a thing? |
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| 10:35.13 | deitarion | boudiccas: If you want Internet radio, look at the terms ShoutCast and IceCast. |
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| 10:35.42 | deitarion | boudiccas: If you want FM radio, most full-function TV-tuner cards have FM receivers built in and you can also get them as USB devices. |
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| 10:36.40 | deitarion | Basically, yes. You need a hardware radio receiver with that tool. Internet radio is just implemented as an MP3 or Ogg Vorbis "file" that never ends. |
| 10:37.23 | deitarion | Now, if you do have /dev/radio0, then it's more likely something's weird with your drivers. |
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| 10:43.05 | boudiccas | deitarion: i had to create /dev/radio0, but am able to listen to streaming radio with mpd |
| 10:43.29 | boudiccas | deitarion: but thanks, its as i suspected |
| 10:44.12 | deitarion | boudiccas: If you DO want local FM, compare supported hardware lists with eBay and DX.com. You can get some USB tuners very cheaply. |
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| 10:44.35 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
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| 10:51.58 | damo22 | does anyone know why my samsung printer doesnt work with cups anymore? |
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| 10:54.40 | ChrisH | damo22: becauses if failed?... |
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| 10:55.16 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 10:55.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:56.14 | damo22 | /usr/lib/cups/backend/mfp |
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| 10:58.42 | damo22 | Unable to add document to print job. |
| 10:59.29 | damo22 | failed to CreateProfile: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:profile id 'ML-331xspl2-Gray..' already exists |
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| 11:10.21 | cj101 | hi |
| 11:10.34 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 11:10.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:13.19 | cj101 | ive got a quick qiestion about debian, apache2 and multiple sites. ive followed this article -> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 <- changing all example.com references to my server addresses but it doesnt work, the format i have used for my server addresses is "sub_sub_domain.sub_domain.domain.com" si this the problem? |
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| 11:14.54 | ChrisH | damo22: Sounds like you try to add a the same printer again. can we start by pastebin lpstat -t ; cat /etc/printcap to past.debian.net ? |
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| 11:18.04 | cj101 | my config file -> http://pastebin.com/b3W7wFBD <- located -> /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
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| 11:19.06 | nvz | im not real savvy on these matters but I'm pretty sure you can't just make up subdomains.. they have to resolve in dns first |
| 11:20.01 | damo22 | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/221305/ |
| 11:20.08 | cj101 | f**k :( i hate trying to set up bind :( |
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| 11:20.21 | damo22 | ChrisH: i dont have /etc/printcap |
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| 11:20.41 | deitarion | cj101: I'm forgetting the other names, but bind isn't the only authoritative DNS server available. |
| 11:21.06 | deitarion | Don't quote me on that, but I think both djbdns and maradns can do authoritative. |
| 11:21.19 | cj101 | deitarion, yea, but it is the most widely used |
| 11:21.26 | nvz | http://content.websitegear.com/article/subdomain_setup.htm is a basic overview of cnames |
| 11:21.39 | deitarion | cj101: True, but if you're using it yourself and you don't like BIND, might as well consider the alternatives. |
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| 11:21.46 | boudiccas | cj101: then once its set up document it an dpost in your blog, that way you'll have notes for further doing of it |
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| 11:22.41 | cj101 | thanks. |
| 11:22.48 | cj101 | goes back to reading |
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| 11:24.03 | Walther | Uh, I'm not sure if this is a bit OT but I take it there will be plenty of server folks around anyway :P |
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| 11:24.42 | Walther | I'm having trouble with rsyslog/mysql/loganalyzer setup on debian servers, loganalyzer producing the following "The file '/var/log/syslog' is not located in one of these directories: '/var/log/'" |
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| 11:30.09 | hramrach | hello |
| 11:30.34 | hramrach | how do I build an armhf system image? |
| 11:31.25 | boudiccas | hramrach: by asking in a raspberry pi channel |
| 11:31.35 | hramrach | it's not for rpi |
| 11:31.52 | hramrach | and they recommend some Ubuntu tools which I obviously don't have |
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| 11:32.13 | cj101 | Walhter, have you checked to see if the file exists in that dir? |
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| 11:35.33 | tralala | hramrach, cross-build? |
| 11:35.49 | hramrach | with what cross-tools? |
| 11:36.26 | tralala | I meant it as a question. Are you trying to cross-build it? |
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| 11:36.50 | ChrisH | damo22: from cups side, all looks fine. does ps -ef | grep cups and ps -ef | grep lp show some haning processes? |
| 11:36.52 | hramrach | ther is no way to build on a board that has no system |
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| 11:37.45 | cj101 | hramrach, i think tralala means are you thring to compile an arm image from an x86 system? |
| 11:38.01 | hramrach | Yes, I am. |
| 11:38.08 | hramrach | I have no working arm system |
| 11:38.17 | tralala | hramrach, isn't there any image that will work on that board? Raspbian or such? |
| 11:38.43 | hramrach | it comes with a test image and I Doubt it has a compiler |
| 11:38.51 | hramrach | also building on the board will take forever |
| 11:39.06 | hramrach | also I need kernel patches |
| 11:39.09 | cj101 | by the way isnt there an debian arm download from the website? |
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| 11:39.19 | damo22 | ChrisH: yes |
| 11:39.34 | hramrach | cj101: you need to build a kernel for the board |
| 11:39.57 | cj101 | ok, sorry ive never tried, just a thought |
| 11:40.03 | tralala | hramrach, you could try multi-arch in wheezy or some other approach then, but cross building is difficult and I can't help much. |
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| 11:40.23 | else- | anyone successfully running a setup like 32-2 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-aggregation.html on debian? |
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| 11:40.35 | hramrach | tralala: building in qemu? does not sound exciting |
| 11:40.36 | blackshirt | hello debian people |
| 11:40.51 | blackshirt | i need some help for dual booting |
| 11:41.01 | ChrisH | damo22: try to stop cups, kill all the remaining processes, poweroff the printer. wait a few seconds. Poweron the printer and start cups again. That fixed this kind of issues for my setups most times. |
| 11:41.05 | tralala | hramrach, does qemu do arm at all? |
| 11:41.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:41.17 | CG_ | hramrach: what kind of board are you targetting to build to= |
| 11:41.24 | damo22 | ChrisH: okay thanks, btw its a network printer |
| 11:41.34 | hramrach | it's the only way multi-arch will do anything for you. And it does arm |
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| 11:42.05 | hramrach | CG_: a board with Allwinner A10 chip |
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| 11:42.30 | ChrisH | damo22: hmm, I assumed dnssd was a local protocoll. If possible follow the procedure anyhow |
| 11:43.00 | hramrach | maybe the easiest is to install the Ubuntu packages |
| 11:43.01 | cj101 | tralala, yes qemu does arm nicely, i use it for an rpi emulator :p lol |
| 11:43.11 | blackshirt | firstly i was installing freebsd 9 in gpt style partition, and secondly i install debian with grub2 loader |
| 11:43.12 | CG_ | hramrach: and is it arm 7/8...? |
| 11:43.20 | blackshirt | i dont know, how to config the grub to boot freebsd again |
| 11:43.22 | hramrach | Debian has recet libc already so dependencies should work out |
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| 11:44.27 | hramrach | CG_: Cortex A8 ARMv7 core |
| 11:45.04 | abrotman | there is a #debian-arm also |
| 11:46.18 | hramrach | I will try looking there then |
| 11:46.21 | hramrach | thanks |
| 11:47.26 | hramrach | abrotman: 1 person there |
| 11:47.46 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:49.13 | CG_ | hramrach: is your Allwinner running sunix at the moment? |
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| 12:00.36 | TvL2386 | Hi guys, an ebtables question if you don't mind: I expected "ebtables -I OUTPUT -o eth0 -j DROP" to drop all ethernet frames that would leave through eth0... But when I ping this machine, it responds.... Which is what I did not expect |
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| 12:04.23 | boudiccas | ,v ebtables |
| 12:04.24 | judd | Package: ebtables on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.8.2-4; squeeze: 2.0.9.2-2; sid: 2.0.10.4-1; wheezy: 2.0.10.4-1 |
| 12:04.29 | hramrach | CG_: there is some Android demo image supposedly. I don't see the screen output because the driver is broken |
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| 12:13.28 | jelly-home | hramrach: people in #arm-netbook might have a ready-made image or two |
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| 12:15.00 | hramrach | jelly-home: I need to build a kernel. the drivers in current kernel are known broken |
| 12:15.48 | TvL2386 | hramrach, was that supposed to be an answer? |
| 12:16.17 | hramrach | answer to what? |
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| 12:16.49 | hramrach | I am looking for a compiler. I have images that somewhat work that I can test but wihtout a compiler I cannot get the kernel patched |
| 12:17.06 | jelly-home | hramrach: said channel is where devel and fixing of sunxi trees goes on, and they might have a) a good idea on how to get a proper toolchain or b) a tree where your bugs are already fixed |
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| 12:17.47 | hramrach | jelly-home: thanks |
| 12:18.10 | hramrach | I will try to look there too |
| 12:18.44 | hramrach | yes, there are kernel trees where some of the bugs are already fixed |
| 12:19.13 | hramrach | but I don't have images that include such kernel |
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| 12:23.52 | safridzal | benar mas bro |
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| 12:30.43 | JBzh | Hi |
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| 12:32.28 | safridzal | how come ubuntu can get newer KDE? I've just upgrade to sid and still got 4.8.4.. CMIIW, i think ubuntu is based on debian sid?? |
| 12:34.21 | defile | safridzal: I think it's because most of the focus is on wheezy right now |
| 12:35.53 | safridzal | defile: well, im just migrate from ubuntu based to debian, and i think that isd will give me the most updated apps, kind of directly from upstream, am i wrong? |
| 12:35.59 | safridzal | *sid |
| 12:36.21 | defile | yes and no |
| 12:36.30 | defile | it's not that black and white at all |
| 12:36.52 | safridzal | well, i thinkj i'll read more on debian wiki :D |
| 12:37.56 | defile | I think you'll likely see a lot more activity on sid once wheezy drops |
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| 12:38.27 | wols | !slushy |
| 12:38.27 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
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| 12:39.17 | safridzal | cool, thanks wols defile :D |
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| 12:41.28 | defile | safridzal: you're welcome :D |
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| 12:46.22 | kkkkjjjh | sal all |
| 12:46.30 | kkkkjjjh | sal all |
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| 12:47.57 | jargon | anybody here using mutt? got any good online guides i can check? |
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| 12:55.03 | fish_ | hi |
| 12:55.46 | fish_ | I'm looking for the squeeze-backports key, I like to use backports in my preseed but it won't install without a apt-setup/local0/key entry |
| 12:55.49 | boudiccas | I am seeing lots of emails like thios from logcheck '/usr/sbin/logcheck: line 100: kill: (10554) - No such process' which is bug #657641, and there is a patch provided. how do i apply that patch please to my 'logcheck' in wheezy please? |
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| 12:57.24 | die | s salute you expect irc.aynasohbet.com |
| 12:57.24 | fish_ | ah sorry, now I found it :) |
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| 12:59.01 | fish_ | but I have another question: can I specifiy the target-release (apt-get -t) in the pkgsel/include line in my preseed? |
| 12:59.19 | fish_ | or do I have to do a apt-get install.. in the late script? |
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| 13:05.51 | edudx | Hey guys. I have a lot of messages like "dpkg: warning: files list file for package `something' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 13:06.08 | edudx | I Try apt-get + clean,autoclean,autoremove,update,upgrade,-f install,--fix-broken install,--fix-missing install and dpkg --configure -a but still have error |
| 13:06.51 | fish_ | maybe there is a better way alltogether: I need to fully automated install a squeeze with a 3.2 kernel. so I added the squeeze-backports but now unsure how to select that kernel in the preseed |
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| 13:09.28 | edudx | this is happening when I try to install php5, http://pastebin.com/cmsgnFH8 |
| 13:09.43 | Arafangion | Freaky... Just 5 minutes ago every time I typed 'e?', I got a different character (something like 'e`', but with the tick mark above the 'e'). |
| 13:09.56 | Arafangion | Wish I knew just how I got that... Because it only happened in that window. |
| 13:10.15 | Arafangion | (Incidentally, that was in facebook chat, in chrome) |
| 13:11.56 | Arafangion | I would love to know firstly - what to call that behaviour... And secondly... Any guesses/enlightened remarks as to how this came about. |
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| 13:17.28 | udoprog | Arafangion: you inadvertently changed the keyboard layout for that specific window and you got an e with an acute diacritic? |
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| 13:17.59 | Arafangion | udoprog: That sounds like it, yes, only I don't have alternate keybaord layouts. |
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| 13:24.39 | Arafangion | I have a fairly default-ish gnome setup, too. |
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| 13:25.41 | Arafangion | ẻ <-- That's e with an acute diacritic, right? |
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| 13:26.12 | edudx | Well, my problem was /etc/apt/sources.list file that contains an third repository, so i remove and delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 13:26.53 | kesor | where can I find rsyslog 7.x packages for debian? |
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| 13:27.38 | ansgar | edudx: Don't remove random files? |
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| 13:27.53 | wols | ,versions rsyslog |
| 13:27.54 | judd | Package: rsyslog on i386 -- lenny: 3.18.6-4; lenny-backports: 4.6.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; sid: 5.8.11-2; wheezy: 5.8.11-2; experimental: 7.2.4-1 |
| 13:27.55 | rozie | kesor: this version is in experimental |
| 13:28.31 | rozie | you can grab sources and compile backport yourself |
| 13:29.25 | kesor | yeah, building debian packages … why it has to be so f painful :( |
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| 13:29.46 | edudx | ansgar what random files? |
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| 13:29.58 | wols | edudx: deleting these files will wreck your system further but will certainly not do anything to fix your php5 problem |
| 13:30.04 | Arafangion | kesor: A zillion and one dependencies? |
| 13:30.14 | wols | edudx: the ones in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 13:30.28 | kesor | Arafangion: not really, only about 10 … its just the build process itself. its such a pain. |
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| 13:30.36 | wols | edudx: dpkg -l |grep php |
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| 13:30.51 | wols | kesor: if the dependencies are there: dpkg-buildpackage and you are done |
| 13:31.23 | Arafangion | kesor: Tedious, then. There's a marked trend for many, many parts of a given program in Debian. |
| 13:31.29 | kesor | wols: buidpackage will do a backport? |
| 13:31.31 | edudx | wols well, after remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/*, it's working |
| 13:31.59 | wols | kesor: no. it will build a package. any package |
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| 13:32.25 | edudx | wols before, i could not install php5 |
| 13:32.31 | wols | edudx: no. you broken your debian. utterly |
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| 13:33.32 | krion | hi guys... |
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| 13:36.37 | edudx | wols unfortunately I didn't knew, so I asked here, but since nobody answered I kept searching and found this. |
| 13:36.41 | krion | i'm wondering something about bind9, i've installed two instance on two different server |
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| 13:36.51 | krion | using stock debian packages |
| 13:37.14 | krion | one got recursion enable, the other don't, but i didn't modify anything in configuration files |
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| 13:37.59 | Arafangion | krion: Recursion depends utterly on the configuation. |
| 13:38.06 | krion | is there a different way to allow recursion ? |
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| 13:38.34 | Arafangion | krion: I can't remember how, exactly, to configure bind9, but it's a setting in the configuration there. |
| 13:38.44 | krion | ok... so i don't really get how bind allow recursion since there is absolutely no allow-recursion {} in conf file |
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| 13:38.56 | krion | i'm just gonna open the window and jump trough it |
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| 13:42.22 | hell_razer | i am trying to make bootable usb with a lot of .iso's , i have tried memdisk, grub2, grub4dos - at all varios i have same problem, wheh chainloder to .iso its boots iso grub, tun normal, but during setup .iso's system wants /deb/sr0 which doesnt exists - i have no idea to fix, and of course i can set directly kernel and initramfs properties, but i want direct grub booting |
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| 13:47.51 | Flashtek | hell_razer: multiboot |
| 13:49.16 | hell_razer | Flashtek, can you give some more info, its unreal to google "multiboot" |
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| 13:50.04 | Flashtek | no it's not.. |
| 13:50.07 | Flashtek | 4th result = http://www.sarducd.it/ |
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| 14:03.40 | lroe | Anyone have any thoughts on how to figure out why my computer becomes unresponsive in the middle of the night (when not in use) on almost a daily basis? |
| 14:04.02 | lroe | last night's syslog just stops at 3:39 on a cron entry |
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| 14:06.10 | DelphiWorld | hello |
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| 14:06.23 | galex-713 | hello |
| 14:06.29 | DelphiWorld | i have debootstraped debian squeeze in my cf, how to make it bootable using grub? |
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| 14:16.24 | DelphiWorld | if i debootstrap, should i install the grub from inside of my chroot or outside? |
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| 14:21.47 | bniels | DelphiWorld, from inside the chroot |
| 14:21.54 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: What was the environment where you ran debbootstrap? |
| 14:22.17 | DelphiWorld | jhulst: it's debian squeeze amd64 |
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| 14:23.04 | bniels | DelphiWorld, make sure you bind mount /sys /proc /dev before chrooting, then install grub inside the chroot |
| 14:23.34 | DelphiWorld | bniels: i'm afraid to bomb my disk :( |
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| 14:24.16 | bniels | DelphiWorld, i see. can you make a backup of your MBR with a live cd/usb or something? |
| 14:25.11 | DelphiWorld | bniels: easy, but not for me at least due to screen reader limitation |
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| 14:25.35 | DelphiWorld | bniels: may i pm you ? |
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| 14:26.57 | nielsb | DelphiWorld, sorry, got disconnected. maybe i missed a message of yours or something |
| 14:27.02 | Costanza | hmm.. i installed debian wheezy on my UEFI pc using netinstall and now it does not want to boot, because there is no bootloader installed.. was i supposed to select something for it to install a bootloader or what? |
| 14:27.22 | DelphiWorld | bniels: i say, can i pm you ? |
| 14:28.07 | nielsb | DelphiWorld, sure, you can if you like. but you need to use nielsb right now. bniels got disconnected. it's just its ghost still lingering here ;) |
| 14:28.11 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: hes changed his nick, he's now nilesb |
| 14:28.31 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: bums, its nielsb |
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| 14:28.57 | DelphiWorld | he he boudiccas thank:) |
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| 14:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | the ghost in the irc |
| 14:36.30 | Bsims | I am running debian in virtual box... any way to convert my virtualbox file to a live usb so I can run it in persistant mode? |
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| 14:38.12 | rxt0 | Bsims: Try remastersys from your Debian installation (I didn't used it tho) |
| 14:38.21 | t0t0 | debian indonesia whare channel |
| 14:38.35 | Bsims | rxt0: is remastersys in the repos? |
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| 14:38.50 | rxt0 | let me check |
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| 14:38.56 | atjehcyber | am need join to debian indonesia what channel name |
| 14:38.59 | Knoppix_newbie | hello |
| 14:39.04 | Knoppix_newbie | anybody knows how to install fglrx ati package on knoppix /debian ? it appears to be a nightmare because of the multilib scheme /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 14:39.52 | atjehcyber | find with google please |
| 14:39.54 | atjehcyber | kwekkwek |
| 14:39.55 | Bsims | rxt0: I didn't see it but |
| 14:40.04 | rxt0 | Bsims: nope, it isn't in the repos |
| 14:40.43 | Bsims | rxt0: eh not a big deal... currently I have Mint living on my thumbdrive and was thinking of getting all my VM's in my pocket so to speak |
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| 14:41.29 | Bsims | rxt0: lili does have a virtual box option but I've had bad experences with upgrading a live usb... |
| 14:41.31 | HardDisk_WP | can I make apt-get skip the configure of packages? |
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| 14:41.45 | OsteHovel | -d ? |
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| 14:42.20 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: man apt-get... I don't know why ya'd want to but I am sure ya can. |
| 14:42.23 | Bsims | let me look |
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| 14:42.39 | atjehcyber | debian indonesia any body know whare |
| 14:43.09 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: yeah its apt-get download packagefoo |
| 14:43.22 | HardDisk_WP | that downloads it, but doesn't install it |
| 14:43.38 | HardDisk_WP | i need to remove a configuration-file before the postinstall script starts |
| 14:43.58 | HardDisk_WP | because when this file is present, the postinstall script asks a question, thus locking the installer |
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| 14:44.35 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: so why not apt-get remove purge the package that gave you the config file... then reinstall |
| 14:44.50 | HardDisk_WP | Bsims, the conffile belongs to this package |
| 14:45.04 | HardDisk_WP | the postinstall script asks the user if it should chmod 0600 it |
| 14:45.17 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: ouch sounds like a nicely hairy bug |
| 14:45.21 | HardDisk_WP | and ignores that I set the selection before using debconf-set-selection |
| 14:45.29 | Bsims | ya filed a bugreport? |
| 14:45.52 | HardDisk_WP | it doesnt happen though when I install the package by hand - thats the biggest problem |
| 14:46.23 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: whats the package? |
| 14:46.27 | HardDisk_WP | even when I launch sh -x /tmp/postinstall |
| 14:46.32 | HardDisk_WP | libpam-mysql |
| 14:46.47 | HardDisk_WP | i'm installing debian testing |
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| 14:47.07 | Bsims | Hrm, no idea sorry... and I'm on testing as well |
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| 14:47.53 | HardDisk_WP | i'm using http://pastebin.com/Pk1kMQB2 as script |
| 14:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | atjehcyber, #debian-id on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:48.08 | atjehcyber | oke |
| 14:48.18 | atjehcyber | thanks CutMeOwnThroat:) |
| 14:48.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not very full though, probably need to be patient |
| 14:49.40 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: why doing the debconf part non interactivly gonna be a scripted install? |
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| 14:50.16 | HardDisk_WP | Bsims, i'm launching this via preseed as late_command |
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| 14:50.49 | HardDisk_WP | hold short, I'll copy the ps fuax list when the installer is locked up |
| 14:50.50 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: I've no idea it should work... try asking in debian-devel... sounds like ya found a nice lil bug |
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| 14:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libpam-mysql |
| 14:52.38 | judd | Package: libpam-mysql on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.2-1; squeeze: 0.7~RC1-4+b1; sid: 0.7~RC1-4+b3; wheezy: 0.7~RC1-4+b3 |
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| 14:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions pam-mysql |
| 14:53.23 | judd | No package named 'pam-mysql' was found in i386. |
| 14:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, --sources versions pam-mysql |
| 14:54.42 | teraflop | i have wheezy/sid multiarch-suport package , apt says please switch to multiarch *:i386 but apt cant find any *:i386 packages |
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| 14:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, squeeze and wheezy are essentially the same version... guess that's why I always get the squeeze one, no matter what I specify |
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| 14:55.38 | jhutchins_wk | teraflop: ... and there you have further evidence of why multiarch isn't ready for release yet. |
| 14:56.51 | HardDisk_WP | Bsims, devel is invite-only |
| 14:56.58 | HardDisk_WP | Bsims, btw, ps-stack is here: http://paste.debian.net/221366/ |
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| 14:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, are you sure it asks the user? |
| 14:57.51 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: ah ok they changed it from when I last ran debian... lol of course that was back when Potato had landed |
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| 14:58.38 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: I've a dumb question... what level of priority question do you have debconf set for? |
| 14:58.40 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, the postinstall-script is http://paste.debian.net/221368/ - there's just the db_get |
| 14:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... it's not something I would ask the user about, but just something you do |
| 14:59.02 | teraflop | jhutchins_wk, and ia32-libs cant be installed, bad moment for using debian? |
| 14:59.11 | HardDisk_WP | Bsims, didn't change the default settings |
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| 14:59.33 | Bsims | HardDisk_WP: Hrm... try setting it to a lowerer priority and reruning it... just as an idea |
| 14:59.34 | HardDisk_WP | the installer itself was launched with priority=critical |
| 14:59.46 | HardDisk_WP | might be worth a try... |
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| 15:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | teraflop: Stable works fine but doesn't have multiarch. |
| 15:02.59 | teraflop | ok thanks anyway jhutchins_wk |
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| 15:03.35 | Osa2UNX | Hi all, I have a small question. I have a new debian 6 running on AMD fx4100 I want to run xbmc. It runs but it is very slow. The mouse moves over the screen like 1 update every 1 second |
| 15:04.01 | Osa2UNX | what could be the issue? I have 8 GB rams installed. |
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| 15:04.20 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: bad graphics drivers? I dunno |
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| 15:04.40 | Osa2UNX | Other things (browser, youtube) openoffice, gimp, run at normal speed |
| 15:04.42 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:04.50 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: no clue sorry |
| 15:05.05 | Osa2UNX | Can I check for new, or better graphics drivers? and how could one do so? |
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| 15:05.09 | rxt0 | Osa2UNX: Debian 6 has outdated graphics drivers, either fglrx and the open source radeon ones |
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| 15:05.33 | DexterF | if kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 gets an update but the update is still 3.2.0-4-amd64, will I still have to recompile custom modules against it again? |
| 15:05.35 | rxt0 | Osa2UNX: your embedded gpu is too new for your drivers |
| 15:05.52 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: what is the gpu you are using? |
| 15:05.53 | DexterF | Osa2UNX: what gpu do you have? |
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| 15:06.18 | Osa2UNX | I think it is embedded on the board. Wait I look in the manual of the board |
| 15:06.37 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: is it an intel? |
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| 15:06.54 | Bsims | if yes what bridge is it |
| 15:06.59 | rxt0 | it can be AMD or nVidia, but certainly not Intel |
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| 15:07.39 | Bsims | duh sorry |
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| 15:08.07 | pats_Toms | I am only one who can't scroll the text what is out of screen when using screen? |
| 15:08.13 | pats_Toms | I mean, screen at terminal |
| 15:08.15 | Osa2UNX | Looked it up it is asus EAH5450 not embedded it is extra card |
| 15:08.18 | rxt0 | Osa2UNX: you should try Debian Wheezy |
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| 15:09.17 | DexterF | that'd be my general advice, but depends. wheezy means lot of updates. means sometimes kernel updates (quite often, rather). if the system a server: no good choice. |
| 15:09.47 | Osa2UNX | no it is only for htpc |
| 15:09.55 | Osa2UNX | playing some audio files |
| 15:09.59 | Osa2UNX | and stuff |
| 15:10.18 | DexterF | Osa2UNX: if you want to give it a go anyway upgrade the existing distro to testing |
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| 15:10.40 | DexterF | Osa2UNX: htpc - in that case check out OpenELEC or XBMCbuntu |
| 15:10.50 | Osa2UNX | can I update it from command line? or best to download a new cd/dvd iso? |
| 15:10.55 | rxt0 | Wheezy is a no brainer if htpc related, stable branch only for servers or some stable stuff |
| 15:11.47 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: Testing has fglrx 1:12-6+point-1 |
| 15:11.52 | p8m | pats_Toms: look up screen scrollback |
| 15:12.14 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: yeah ya do it from the command line |
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| 15:12.23 | redguy | pats_Toms: http://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2008/01/how-to-scroll-in-gnu-screen/ |
| 15:12.43 | DexterF | rxt0: that's just the situation I have right now, wheezy as a htpc platform and I do not recommend it. at the time I built the system wheezy was the only dist (apart from sid, duh) that had intel video drivers fresh enough to run sandy bridge IGPs. suse, FC, even ubuntu all no go at that time. but since it is a 24/7 box the kernel updates alone are a pain in the ass |
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| 15:13.35 | wolf29 | pats_Toms: shift page_up |
| 15:13.56 | pats_Toms | shift page_up is not working |
| 15:13.59 | redguy | wolf29: not in GNU screen |
| 15:14.01 | Bsims | Osa2UNX: simply change /etc/apt/sources.list to read testing then do sudo apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:14.29 | Bsims | pats_Toms: let me look up my screen rc |
| 15:14.51 | Bsims | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-users/2005-04/msg00040.html |
| 15:14.57 | pats_Toms | is there any way to make ir scrollable on gnome-terminal? |
| 15:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, I had looked at the postinstall before, but didn't immediately recognize the get_db as a user-query. the question would be why -y is ignored? |
| 15:15.02 | pats_Toms | *make it |
| 15:15.13 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not the db_get that locks up! |
| 15:15.16 | HardDisk_WP | just saw it |
| 15:15.23 | HardDisk_WP | its the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule call that blocks |
| 15:15.30 | rxt0 | DexterF: for distros like Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS I just disable updates and everything's fine, running 24/7 |
| 15:15.37 | rxt0 | edit, Debian Testing |
| 15:16.04 | DexterF | rxt0: updates includes security updates. not an option. |
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| 15:17.21 | rxt0 | upon updating you should always consider kernel updates, that means updating itself is a pain in ass if you're concerned of that, personally I do not update frequently, at least my linux boxes |
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| 15:18.59 | DexterF | no policy I can live with. could pin the kernel perhaps. |
| 15:19.19 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know WHAT confmodule does, but it does strange things with the bash process that launches it... http://paste.debian.net/221375/ |
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| 15:20.46 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.48 | p8m | pats_Toms: You mean using the gnome terminal scrollbar? Yes check out http://aperiodic.net/screen/faq |
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| 15:23.45 | nkuttler | boudiccas: well logcheck is just a script, so patch (1) it |
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| 15:25.48 | pats_Toms | thanks everyone |
| 15:26.38 | Osa2UNX | oke Bsims, I will try your solution |
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| 15:32.55 | boudiccas | nkuttler: okay, but how please? i cant see any instructions as to how to do it in the wiki |
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| 15:35.50 | acu_ | is samba4 used in production ? Is it stable ? I need to create a small LAN and thinking of using samba4 any suggestions ? |
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| 15:37.14 | socomm | "This is the first stable release of the Samba 4.0 series." - from samba.org |
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| 15:37.34 | socomm | In reference to 4.0.0 |
| 15:38.05 | acu_ | socomm: thanks, I just look at wheezy, it seem the samba coming with it is beta |
| 15:38.14 | nkuttler | boudiccas: the patch is a single line. i'd just use an editor |
| 15:38.28 | nkuttler | boudiccas: see also man patch |
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| 15:39.14 | boudiccas | nkuttler: okay, thanks |
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| 15:40.01 | socomm | acu_: from my experience if you want the newest version of software X you'll either have to find a backport or compile it yourself, on debian |
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| 15:41.20 | pbn | hi there, I am using ssh -Y to run apps on a target Debian machine and have them display on my machine. When the target Debian machine was runnig 6.0, no problem. But now that I the target machine is running testing "wheezy", when I ssh -Y to run for instance iceweasel, I can see the window named "Iceweasel" appear on my machine, but there's nothing in it, it's all gray, and after a few second the window closes, and I get: Warning: No xauth data; using fake au |
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| 15:41.41 | pbn | firefox-bin: Fatal IO error 11 (Ressource temporairement non disponible) on X server localhost:10.0. |
| 15:41.51 | pbn | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "localhost:10.0". |
| 15:42.03 | pbn | only the target machine has changed from Debian 6.0 to Debian "wheezy" |
| 15:42.05 | wols | acu_: /msg judd versions samba4 |
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| 15:42.39 | pbn | and if I boot the target machine in Debian 6.0 instead of "wheezy", I don't have any problem with ssh -Y |
| 15:42.41 | wols | acu_: so 4.0.0 is in experimental |
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| 15:45.23 | boudiccas | nkuttler: you reckon this is the important part of the patch please? index 5878795..91125cd 100755 never having patched anything before i'm wary of getting it wrong |
| 15:45.24 | socomm | pbn: I see people suggesting you install 'xorg-x11-auth' if its not already installed |
| 15:46.39 | acu_ | wols: so it may not have a chance to get samba4.0.0 in wheezy |
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| 15:47.29 | wols | acu_: no chance except via backports.org but not for a while |
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| 15:47.47 | wols | wheezy is frozen, it has 4.0.0beta2 but won't get anything else I'd say |
| 15:48.06 | socomm | pbn: http://bit.ly/10TN1BY - quite few results |
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| 15:50.56 | pbn | socomm: that might the solution |
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| 15:51.49 | dodo | hey... How can I replicate a serial /dev/tty port?? I want to use "cat /dev/tty" to see what is going on there, and I also want to have a script sending and receiving data there. |
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| 15:53.16 | dodo | the script work ok... but as soon as I use "cat /dev/tty" my script doesn't receive any incomming data |
| 15:54.20 | abrotman | tee maybe? |
| 15:54.22 | boudiccas | nkuttler: thanks, i've pasted that line into logcheck, so just wait to see if it stops bug #657641. |
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| 15:56.03 | pbn | socomm: Debian wheezy doesn't have a xorg-x11-auth package :/ |
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| 15:57.53 | FernandoBasso | During boot I see "starting MTA", and that step takes more than 1 minute. Can I remove exim4? |
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| 15:58.26 | boudiccas | FernandoBasso: only if you dont want to use email |
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| 15:59.35 | FernandoBasso | I want to set an email server to use on websites. |
| 15:59.36 | BW^- | in my fstab I have the option errors=remount-ro . i had a hardware error now and it remounted root as read-only. mount -o remount,rw / gives mount: cannot remount block device /dev/mapper/debian-root read-write, is write-protected can i work around this any way or is rebooting the only way? |
| 15:59.43 | pbn | socomm:actually from what I have found with the google search, that "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display" has nothing to do with the ssh -Y problem :/ |
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| 16:07.05 | pbn | hmmm this is tricky |
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| 16:08.13 | pbn | when I ssh -Y from another machine, apps that do not require RANDR do work, and thoe that do require RANDR do not work... however I'm puzzled at what to change ... |
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| 16:09.18 | jhutchins_wk | BW^-: Reboot - preferably to something like a live rescue disk. |
| 16:09.43 | BW^- | jhutchins_wk: there is no serious hardware error, that's the point. it's only that the VPS provider have a laggy IO susbsystem. |
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| 16:09.56 | jhutchins_wk | BW^-: You will need to fsck that partition before it is mounted rw. |
| 16:10.08 | BW^- | jhutchins_wk: therefore, just something like an immediate remount would have worked well. i hope that removing the "on-error=ro" or sth fstab option will fix this for the future |
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| 16:10.16 | BW^- | jhutchins_wk: aha sure. |
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| 16:10.46 | pbn | socomm: thanks for the help though, I'm gonna google a bit more about that XRANDR issue ;) |
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| 16:13.00 | BW^- | jhutchins_wk: hm. actually fsck:ing before rebooting just stalled, appears like the ATA/etc. driver had blocked. hmh. |
| 16:13.32 | jhutchins_wk | BW^-: I would get in touch with your hosting provider ASAP and report the problem. Hope you have a good backup. |
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| 16:16.48 | Uranio | hi... las days I was asking about how to make a package, and some body respondme that "is not in the repo" |
| 16:17.00 | Uranio | thats leave open the posibiite for put it in the repo |
| 16:17.04 | Uranio | how could I do it? |
| 16:17.30 | petemc | !rfp |
| 16:17.30 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
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| 16:18.00 | Uranio | !wnpp |
| 16:18.01 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 16:27.33 | bradbury9 | hi |
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| 16:28.37 | shomon | hi |
| 16:29.17 | shomon | anyone installed drupal7 via apt? |
| 16:29.33 | shomon | I'm getting an error: "PDOException: SQLSTATE[42S02]:" |
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| 16:31.15 | babilen | shomon: Which version? |
| 16:32.25 | babilen | shomon: Seems to be related to the database setup - You might want to double check that or provide more information about your setup |
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| 16:33.33 | babilen | shomon: That also doesn't seem to be the entire error message (I assume that there is something /after/ the colon ...) |
| 16:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | shomon: paste what's in quotes into google. |
| 16:34.38 | shomon | sorry chatting here.. just a sec I'll pastebin it |
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| 16:35.03 | jhutchins_wk | shomon: No, you don't need to pastebin it. |
| 16:35.12 | babilen | shomon: I assume that you followed /usr/share/doc/drupal7/README.Debian.gz and followed the instructions therein |
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| 16:35.28 | robertoaaaa | ciao |
| 16:35.32 | robertoaaaa | !lista |
| 16:35.35 | bradbury9 | I know it is not debian, but mint (LMDE) related, but... anyone has had problems with fresh install and firefox not working? launching from console i see "gmem.c:170: failed to allocate 78 bytes" |
| 16:35.43 | babilen | shomon: And yeah, there are /plenty/ of hits for that error/misconfiguration |
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| 16:36.02 | bradbury9 | was thinking in a apt-get purge && apt-get install |
| 16:36.09 | dbeest | Hi, help, I'm trying to install debian 6.0.6 cd from a memstick onto my efi pc but it's complaining about 'No common CD-ROM drive' being detected, there isn't one but that's not a problem since the iso is on the usb stick |
| 16:36.52 | babilen | bradbury9: You want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org - We only support pure Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons |
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| 16:37.09 | babilen | dbeest: How did you create the stick? |
| 16:37.29 | bradbury9 | ok, ty babilen |
| 16:37.39 | dbeest | babilen: dd for windows i think it was called |
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| 16:37.45 | babilen | dbeest: And for efi you are probably much better of with the wheezy (testing, next stable) installer as it natively supports EFI/GPT |
| 16:38.00 | shomon | babilen: http://pastebin.com/vfUqKnLZ |
| 16:38.06 | bradbury9 | there is a utility that makes bootlable usbs from iso files |
| 16:38.09 | babilen | dbeest: Hmm, I heard that people are having problems with that. Are you planning to use EFI or MBR? |
| 16:38.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell dbeest -about usb install |
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| 16:38.20 | shomon | what I did was install debian testing, and then do apt-get install drupal7 |
| 16:38.36 | dbeest | babilen: How can I find a wheezy iso? |
| 16:38.50 | shomon | but then I didn't know how to connect it so I copied the apache2.conf file it came with to drupal.conf in /mods-available/ |
| 16:38.55 | babilen | dbeest: That image writer works on windows -- no idea about "dd for windows", but I've heard complaints some time ago |
| 16:39.03 | dbeest | babilen: efi because 2tb HDD |
| 16:39.44 | dbeest | babilen: ah that's what I was using win32diskimager |
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| 16:40.26 | dbeest | babilen: This isn't my first time, I've installed like this before but this is weird and different, I'll try plugging in my cd-drive because that's litterally all I can think that's different |
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| 16:40.55 | babilen | dbeest: Try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/20130103-5/amd64/iso-cd/ -- Read the errata linked on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and the installation guide on http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/index.html.en |
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| 16:41.13 | apm1 | is it true that there is a malware targating the 64bit squeeze kernel |
| 16:41.28 | apm1 | *targeting |
| 16:41.45 | bradbury9 | didnt heard about that malware |
| 16:41.59 | colo-work | if so, where can I get infected? |
| 16:42.01 | colo-work | :-) |
| 16:42.05 | babilen | dbeest: Well, you definitely need a newer debian-installer than the one that comes with squeeze - What kind of machine are you installing on? I've linked the daily due to some problems with the beta4. I haven't used that installer though and it might have problems on its own. |
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| 16:42.21 | bradbury9 | i find it quite strange, it would target linux kernel, not squeeze kernel |
| 16:42.40 | babilen | shomon: Well, I would recommend to undo that copy step and read the README.Debian.gz file that comes with drupal7 |
| 16:43.05 | shomon | thanks babilen I'm looking through it now actually. |
| 16:43.13 | apm1 | bradbury9, that was my first thought too |
| 16:43.30 | shomon | also it seems to do the same thing pretty much |
| 16:43.44 | babilen | shomon: It simply looks as if /some/ database initialisation is needed for drupal. I guess that this is explained in the README.Debian.gz |
| 16:43.48 | shomon | it copies it to a different place |
| 16:44.03 | babilen | /sites-available/ ? |
| 16:44.05 | shomon | during the apt install it asked me for the db admin password and wen tin... |
| 16:44.29 | shomon | went in, I mean. no, apache2/conf.d |
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| 16:44.50 | shomon | anyway, thanks for that, I'll plough through it and see what happens :) |
| 16:45.29 | babilen | shomon: I have no idea about drupal7 and its packaging, but the steps needed for database initialisation and general configuration seem to be addressed in README.Debian.gz and INSTALL.{mysql,psql}.txt (/me recommends postgres) |
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| 16:46.16 | shomon | ah I don't get to choose, I'll have to just keep my postgres to stuff like tryton |
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| 16:48.29 | bradbury9 | apm1: i heardt about a 0day in IE, but nothing recent in linux kernel |
| 16:49.17 | apm1 | bradbury9, well its something called "rootkit" and it targets squeeze's 64 bit kernel only |
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| 16:50.18 | shomon | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/linux.debian.security/awGe97Aorv0 --that one? |
| 16:50.57 | bradbury9 | im out of browser, must reinstall the package. As soon as it gets updated i will have a quick look at it. |
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| 16:54.21 | bradbury9 | the most probable thing is there exists a linux 64 kernel rootkit specific to debian squeeze packages. Not debian squeeze specific. |
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| 16:55.41 | apm1 | bradbury9, i am not even sure what is "rootkit" the term itself is |
| 16:56.34 | bradbury9 | is a kind of malware designed to be stealthy that attacks the kernel. There are windows rootkits and linux rootkits |
| 16:57.09 | apm1 | ok |
| 16:57.30 | apm1 | but there will be a security update neutralizing the threat ? |
| 16:57.35 | bradbury9 | sony distributed long time ago a rootkit with their DRM |
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| 16:58.00 | bradbury9 | in case there exists such a thread. of course. |
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| 16:58.37 | bradbury9 | there are utilities to check for rootkits in linux |
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| 16:59.21 | shomon | speaking of security, how do you make skype more secure if possible? it doesn't have an "otr" does it? |
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| 17:00.34 | bradbury9 | as long as skype keeps being propietary, it is not possible to grant security in it |
| 17:00.47 | meti | shomon: easy, don't use it :P |
| 17:00.55 | apm1 | right |
| 17:00.55 | bradbury9 | more than the provided with the skype company |
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| 17:01.12 | shomon | meti: not so easy to convince work colleagues of that |
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| 17:01.43 | shomon | well not that it's insecure, but that there are better alternatives, like say voip... or push to talk stuff maybe? |
| 17:01.47 | bradbury9 | about the rootkit stuff, check for chkrootkit or rkhunter |
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| 17:02.03 | bradbury9 | apt-get install chkrootkit |
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| 17:03.22 | meti | shomon: voip with zrtp for voice, jabber with otr for IM |
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| 17:03.46 | shomon | hmm they might go for a jabber server |
| 17:04.16 | shomon | thanks! |
| 17:04.20 | bradbury9 | if you only want VoIP you could try teamspeak, download and have your own teamspeak server for free |
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| 17:16.52 | zykotick9 | bradbury9: teamspeak = nonfree software. mumble might be a better suggestion as a personal server. |
| 17:18.07 | bradbury9 | i have not tried mumble. Dunno about the compression level and if channels can be password protected or not |
| 17:18.49 | bradbury9 | but if mumble does a fine compression it should be taken into consideration, you are right |
| 17:18.53 | zykotick9 | bradbury9: i've never tried mumble either. client requires pulse, so for my minimal systems - no thanks. BUT, it's faif! |
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| 17:22.36 | bradbury9 | zykotick9: teamspeak is free, but it is not opensource. I think you can do 'apt-get install teamspeak-server' |
| 17:22.57 | zykotick9 | bradbury9: not from "main" you can't. |
| 17:23.21 | bradbury9 | ok, you mean it is non in main repo. now i get it |
| 17:23.53 | zykotick9 | bradbury9: the "main" repo, ONLY contains free (as in freedom) software. contrib/non-free probably does have teamspeak stuff... |
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| 17:25.02 | zykotick9 | ,v teamspeak-server |
| 17:25.02 | judd | Package: teamspeak-server on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1; sid/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1.1; wheezy/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1.1 |
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| 17:27.26 | babilen | Give mumble a try -- It worked pretty nice the last time I used it. |
| 17:27.37 | bradbury9 | in spanish free could mean 'no cost' or could mean 'opensource'. thats why i got confused |
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| 17:27.54 | babilen | "free as in speech" and "free as in beer" |
| 17:29.03 | bradbury9 | yup, that was my mistake |
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| 17:31.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions teamspeak-server |
| 17:31.40 | judd | Package: teamspeak-server on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1; sid/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1.1; wheezy/non-free: 2.0.24.1+debian-1.1 |
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| 17:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | D'Oh! |
| 17:34.04 | UnnamedUser951 | Hello. I have mounted an SMB share using cifs through /etc/fstab and when i try to access it trough apache using firefox i get the error "CIFS VFS: Unexpected loockup error -20" on the console. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 17:34.18 | jhutchins_wk | bradbury9: English has the same ambiguity. |
| 17:34.57 | jhutchins_wk | UnnamedUser951: So you're trying to serve content from an SMB share mounted on the Apache server? |
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| 17:35.46 | UnnamedUser951 | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 17:36.38 | Apachez | any of you running data=writeback on any of your linuxservers ? |
| 17:36.38 | jhutchins_wk | UnnamedUser951: Any problems exploring the mounted share from the console? |
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| 17:37.15 | UnnamedUser951 | ls -lah is working fine in the console |
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| 17:38.19 | ezyang_ | #debian |
| 17:38.24 | ezyang_ | #debian |
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| 17:39.31 | jhutchins_wk | UnnamedUser951: Which release of Debian are you running? |
| 17:39.34 | UnnamedUser951 | jhutchins_wk: i think i found the prob - broken simbolic link on hte smb share server |
| 17:40.05 | UnnamedUser951 | i will try to fix it and see if it works then |
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| 17:43.23 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, i found the error with libpam-mysql |
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| 17:44.03 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, it's the fault of in-target/debian installer... it passes the D-I environment variables on to the processes in the target system |
| 17:44.18 | HardDisk_WP | which unfortunately includes stuff like export DEBIAN_FRONTEND='newt' |
| 17:44.49 | HardDisk_WP | the newt frontend is available only in the installer... simply unset all the debian stuff at the start of the postinstall script and off it goes |
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| 17:59.54 | NiLon | so hmm, I have xen server here (trying out mostly) and I did follow some random manuals, now I have iterface bridge up and it's getting ip from dhcp server like it should (eth0 -> xenbr0) |
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| 18:00.21 | NiLon | however my vps instance isn't getting ip at all when I boot it up, seems like it doesn't find dhcp |
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| 18:01.14 | NiLon | I did look up and someone suggested using ioemu so tried it but without results, what I have now in xen config: |
| 18:01.14 | NiLon | dhcp = 'dhcp' |
| 18:01.14 | NiLon | vif = [ 'type=ioemu, mac=00:16:3E:4A:59:E6, bridge=xenbr0' ] |
| 18:01.28 | NiLon | I don't understand what's going wrong |
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| 18:07.13 | Bsims | Cups Printing is amazingly slow with my postscript printer... its taking it over two minutes to process the test page, I realize I am running in a vM but 4gigs of ram and a 3ghz cpu shouldn't print that amazingly slow any ideas? |
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| 18:16.26 | intore | buonasera, ho debian squeeze installato sulla partizione sda7. Sull'attuale partizione nominata sda8 avevo ubuntu (prima era sda5) che ho poi sostituito con mint. Quando avvio il pc, la schermata di grub2 mi propone ancora come scelta ubuntu e ho bisogno di configurare grub2 in modo da fargli notare la variazione di sistema operativo installato su sda8. Mi potreste dire da dove devo iniziare? Voglio evitare grub-customizer per capire qualc |
| 18:16.27 | intore | osa di più |
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| 18:19.20 | babilen | !it |
| 18:19.20 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:19.23 | babilen | intore: ^^^ |
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| 18:19.47 | intore | babilen, opssss! |
| 18:19.57 | intore | am sorry |
| 18:20.09 | babilen | intore: No problem :) |
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| 18:21.52 | bradbury9 | i am not sure i understood all your question, dont undestand italian, but maybe try reinstalling grub2 intore |
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| 18:24.27 | intore | hi, i've debian squeeze installed on /dev/sda7 and i use grub2. On /dev/sda8 i had ubuntu installed and i replaced it with mint. At boot time grub2 shows ubuntu as choice but not mint. Could you tell me how to start to configure grub2 but NOT using grub-customizer please? |
| 18:25.12 | babilen | intore: Could you please install the os-prober package and run "update-grub" and show us the output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 18:27.24 | intore | babilen, i think now it's ok: http://paste.debian.net/221428/ |
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| 18:28.02 | babilen | intore: Looks fine, yeah |
| 18:28.10 | ctrltab | Hi, can someone show me quickly how to do a while that increments the var in bash/perl? |
| 18:28.33 | intore | babilen, os-prober is the program to find others kernel, is not? |
| 18:28.46 | ctrltab | for(bad)example; i, i++, do wget http://...I.sh |
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| 18:30.45 | babilen | intore: os-prober probes for /other/ operating systems (read "man os-prober") and "update-grub" creates an up-to-date grub config. That was the only thing that was needed to get Mint in there |
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| 18:32.06 | xsappyx | ctrltab: wget someurl{1..10}.sh |
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| 18:32.15 | intore | babilen, thank you very much. I thought must edit 10_linux! |
| 18:32.16 | ctrltab | xsappyx: oh thanks that's even better |
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| 18:33.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrltab, for i in {1..5}; do echo xx"$i"xx; done |
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| 18:33.25 | ctrltab | Is there not a way to increment i? I know that's not as good but now I want to know xD |
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| 18:33.44 | intore | i'll reboot |
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| 18:33.51 | intore | thanks babilen |
| 18:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, xsappyx already had one version |
| 18:34.34 | xsappyx | CutMeOwnThroat: yours has some incrementing he wants though |
| 18:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | xsappyx, hehe... kind of |
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| 18:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me he doesn't want something that does what he asked for but does what he asked for in a way that you wouldn't do it in bash |
| 18:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrltab, yes, there is, but it's left as an exercise for the asker |
| 18:36.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | as it's crappy and won't be any fun to write down |
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| 18:58.35 | boudiccas | can anyone give me an url please for a live cd of wheezy installation. thanks |
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| 19:00.58 | p8m | boudiccas: check out live.debian.net . What are you using a live cd for? |
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| 19:03.55 | jhutchins_wk | It would be really nice if there were a utility that would parse the grub2 menu configuration and show the menu as it would be displayed at boot. |
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| 19:07.39 | UltraMC | How to copy directory with all it's contents from one dedicated server to another both on Debian? I've already found scp (secure copy) command or a shell program called Midnight Commander. Yet never done such an operation. |
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| 19:07.59 | boudiccas | UltraMC: rsync |
| 19:08.31 | zykotick9 | UltraMC: rsync can use ssh for remote connections, very handy. |
| 19:09.06 | intore | babilen, i've got another question. After installing os-prober it has created the 30_os-prober for mint. Are still present the ubuntu entries for /dev/sda5 but there is not ubuntu installed on sda5 because this is the swap for mint. I have seen the content of 30_otheros: http://paste.debian.net/221437/. Do i have to delete 30_otheros? |
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| 19:10.48 | intore | babilen, or not delete but disable its execution? |
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| 19:12.04 | caravel | hi all o/ |
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| 19:14.03 | caravel | intore: what is the full path of this file ? |
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| 19:15.16 | intore | caravel, /etc/grub.d/30_otheros |
| 19:15.37 | caravel | well, to my (poor!) understanding os_prober is meant to dynamically discover any extra os each time you reǵenerate your grub config |
| 19:16.10 | caravel | so, this file makes little sense to me: it would act as a static stanza inclusion |
| 19:16.58 | ProgR33n | does anyone got driver for debian wifi on lenovo x220 iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode ?? |
| 19:17.03 | caravel | intore: it was generated by the installer without os_prober I assume? |
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| 19:17.35 | ctrltab | how can I abort the dm from starting? i installed e16 and it cant run xterm so im stuck once the dm loads |
| 19:17.43 | intore | caravel, yes, right |
| 19:18.00 | caravel | ProgR33n: look at the firmware package, and thinkwiki.org is probably a good resource (otherwise -> linuxwireless.org is the home for everything ;-) |
| 19:18.05 | ProgR33n | does anyone got driver for debian wifi on lenovo x220 iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode ?? |
| 19:18.42 | intore | caravel, i need to understand about the file 30_otheros: http://paste.debian.net/221437/ |
| 19:18.46 | caravel | ProgR33n: and pretty please, do NOT flood this is wrong ORC practice on every chan I know of :) |
| 19:18.50 | caravel | IRC* |
| 19:19.00 | intore | caravel, ubuntu was installed on /dev/sda5 |
| 19:19.08 | caravel | intore: yes, this is what I told you earlier |
| 19:19.34 | caravel | scripts under /etc/grub.d are like "addóns" |
| 19:19.49 | caravel | there are ran when you use grub2-mkconfig |
| 19:20.09 | caravel | so this one just "include" its contents |
| 19:20.14 | caravel | I'd get rid of it |
| 19:20.37 | caravel | you should have an XX_osprober or something in the same folder |
| 19:20.53 | caravel | that is, the os_prober "addon script" itself |
| 19:20.53 | intore | caravel, it means that if i run grub2-mkconfig it will upgrade 30_otheros? |
| 19:21.05 | caravel | intore: no |
| 19:21.09 | caravel | read me again :) |
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| 19:22.18 | caravel | grub2-mkconfig does NOT update anything at all |
| 19:22.23 | caravel | it prints to stdout |
| 19:23.01 | caravel | intore: but if you tell it to save stdout into a file, typically your grub config file, then it will override it |
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| 19:23.11 | caravel | overwrite* |
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| 19:24.14 | caravel | intore: so, grub2-mkconfig *runs* scripts under /etc/grub.d to output a grub config |
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| 19:24.51 | ctrltab | is possible for packages in debian to be made completely broke-ly and for noone to notice? installing e17 in wheezy can't open xterm and therefore I'm stuck without terminal |
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| 19:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | ctrltab: What happened to Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 19:25.56 | p8m | ctrltab: wheezy = testing. By installing it you become a tester. submit a bug report |
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| 19:26.30 | ctrltab | jhutchins_wk: thaaanks , I asked for that earlier |
| 19:26.39 | ctrltab | jhutchins_wk: that's what I wanted |
| 19:26.40 | ompaul | ctrltab: ctrl alt F2 and log in as root type the following apt-cache policy xterm - see if it is even installed - if it is e17 problem if not install it |
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| 19:29.56 | intore | caravel, i installed os-prober and updated grub2. After that in 30_os-prober there was only the entry for Mint but there was still ubuntu in grub.cfg. I ran "sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/30_otheros and updated grub2. This update has updated grub.cfg (ubuntu entries are disappered) and 30_os-prober has been modified |
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| 19:31.47 | tpidffmtts | hi deebsters, I'm sure one of you can help me with this little conundrum; I have a usb speaker plugged into a usb hub, and the only way I can get it to play sound is like this: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav -D sysdefault:CARD=Device by specifying the card. Is there a way around this, to make it default. I'm really stuck. o.O |
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| 19:32.06 | tpidffmtts | debian squeeze distro |
| 19:32.11 | cusco | hello |
| 19:33.14 | intore | caravel, i've to understand how works grub2!!! |
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| 19:33.53 | waynr | tpidffmtts: you need to that card as the default in ~/.asoundrc |
| 19:34.05 | caravel | intore: can you upload your 30_os-prober ? |
| 19:34.22 | caravel | intore: (I'm not use to it under debian, so I'd rather confirm what I'm telling you ;-) |
| 19:34.23 | tpidffmtts | waynr: ok, I'll give that file a look |
| 19:35.15 | waynr | tpidffmtts: check out this webpage: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Default_PCM_device |
| 19:35.32 | tpidffmtts | waynr: I dont have an .asoundrc file, just a .pulse file :-/ |
| 19:35.33 | intore | caravel, http://paste.debian.net/221447/ |
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| 19:36.28 | caravel | intore: looks good to me :) /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober is the script that does the probing, each time you run grub2-mkconfig |
| 19:36.31 | tpidffmtts | waynr: should I just create my own .asoundrc file if I dont have it? |
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| 19:36.46 | caravel | intore: so, get rid of your 30_ one |
| 19:36.48 | waynr | tpidffmtts: i believe that pulseaudio uses alsa by default to access sound devices so what you should try first is to create a ".asoundrc" file similar to what is described on the wiki page i linked |
| 19:37.02 | caravel | intore: so, get rid of your *30_otheros* one |
| 19:37.12 | tpidffmtts | waynr: ok, thanks I'll try that and report back to you, thank you so much. |
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| 19:37.51 | intore | caravel, yes, i disabled "x" on it |
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| 19:38.37 | intore | caravel, anyway i need to understand grub2!!! |
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| 19:39.05 | intore | thanks caravel! |
| 19:39.12 | caravel | intore: learn shell scripts, then you'll be able to read grub2 :) |
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| 19:39.14 | caravel | :) |
| 19:39.35 | intore | caravel, ok thanks! |
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| 19:39.51 | jhutchins_wk | caravel: It's pretty obtuse. We need a menu parser that will display the menu without a reboot. |
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| 19:40.18 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: well, we have it already |
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| 19:41.12 | jhutchins_wk | caravel: Oh? |
| 19:41.26 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: # qemu -hda /dev/sda -m 512 -vga std |
| 19:41.34 | caravel | has always been working for me :) |
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| 19:45.01 | zykotick9 | ctrltab: i had the same issue with e17 and not finding a method to start a terminal |
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| 19:45.25 | jhutchins_wk | caravel: So that uses qemu to emulate a machine booting from /dev/sda? |
| 19:45.36 | ctrltab | zykotick9: I fled to xfce4 for now, will have to figure out how to compile it properly on debian later |
| 19:46.04 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: yes. just avoid to run any entry.. |
| 19:46.11 | caravel | but it should show your grub menu |
| 19:46.39 | zykotick9 | ctrltab: ya, it was just in a vm for me last night |
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| 19:47.17 | superstraw | bash told me this is an os question: i have written a script that would have a variable that is about 500MB large, on a computer with 256MB ram, am I going to kill my machine if I run it? will anything *bad* happen? |
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| 19:48.15 | superstraw | its probably dumb, I should use a file to work on all that info in huh? |
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| 19:49.49 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: here I have several distro, one "neutral" grub on sda1 chainloading others each located within its own LV, and qemu show me the whole thing without issue |
| 19:50.38 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: (I do have "Back" entry chainloading back to the neutral one) |
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| 19:50.42 | caravel | entries* |
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| 19:50.58 | ctrltab | can I install from experimental easily in wheezy? I'm after xfce4.10 |
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| 19:52.26 | ctrltab | will " apt-get -t experimental install" workw ithout setting your apt repos to experimental? |
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| 19:54.33 | Towzzer | you need to add the respoistory in no matter what |
| 19:54.36 | Towzzer | addtionally |
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| 19:54.45 | Towzzer | i think |
| 19:54.46 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.56 | wols | ctrltab: it won't |
| 19:55.14 | wols | ctrltab: and you shouldn't use it either |
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| 19:55.52 | abrotman | ctrltab: you cannot 'run' experiemental, you can add packages from it |
| 19:55.58 | abrotman | and hiopefully they don't eat your data |
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| 19:57.13 | Towzzer | here's my problem |
| 19:57.18 | Towzzer | the guy next to me at work smells really bad |
| 19:57.21 | Towzzer | I just started a new job |
| 19:57.26 | Towzzer | everyday for the last 5 days |
| 19:57.27 | Towzzer | he smells bad |
| 19:57.34 | Towzzer | either I quit or murder him |
| 19:57.39 | Towzzer | 5 fucking days right? |
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| 19:59.06 | frostschutz | so... did you tell him? |
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| 20:01.08 | tpidffmtts | waynr: "you da man" thanks, the link you sent me worked a treat |
| 20:01.41 | tpidffmtts | (and I learnt a whole bunch about .asoundrc in the process) |
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| 20:06.05 | abrotman | Towzzer: take it somewhere else, i don't care where |
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| 20:15.37 | videl | What kind of job ? |
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| 20:24.30 | tpidffmtts | waynr: one problem, I rebooted, and the sound didnt work straight away, I had to do a sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart to get the usb speaker to work, can you think of a work around? |
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| 20:26.13 | bradbury9 | check the dmesg and the /etc/var/syslog for alsa related stuff tpidffmtts |
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| 20:26.41 | waynr | tpidffmtts: well the thing is, ~/.asoundrc is a user-specific alsa configuration file so it is possible that a system-wide configuration is loaded initially on startup |
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| 20:30.07 | waynr | tpidffmtts: it seems possible that a pulseaudio daemon starts during boot which forces the alsa utils daemon to set up a different default device |
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| 20:32.02 | tpidffmtts | waynr: hmmm, I edited /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to make the usb speaker the default, so do I need to do something similar with pulse then? |
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| 20:33.11 | tpidffmtts | dont see any messages in dmesg to do with ALSA |
| 20:33.14 | waynr | tpidffmtts: bradbury9 had some good advice actually, look for messages related to the alsa-utils startup in /var/log/syslog |
| 20:34.12 | waynr | tpidffmtts: the messages you are looking for would probably be in syslog since they can also be generated from an init script (dmesg only shows kernel messages, like messages that originate from a driver) |
| 20:35.24 | waynr | tpidffmtts: good luck, i have to go afk for a while...you might try asking folks in an alsa or pulseaudio irc channel |
| 20:35.34 | tpidffmtts | ok thanks waynr |
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| 20:36.37 | tpidffmtts | As a quick and dirty work around, is there a way to run the alsa-util restart command automatically on startup? |
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| 20:37.08 | nkuttler | tpidffmtts: um, sure, add an init script |
| 20:37.23 | nkuttler | tpidffmtts: or simply run the existing script later? |
| 20:38.00 | tpidffmtts | nkuttler: :-/ i'm quite noobish... can I add the line to .bashrc would that do the trick? |
| 20:38.34 | nkuttler | tpidffmtts: that sounds like a bad idea |
| 20:38.43 | nkuttler | tpidffmtts: /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:39.08 | tpidffmtts | nkuttler: thankyou, i'll read them now |
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| 20:41.18 | djcb | anybody knows why sid's kernel is lagging behind so much? |
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| 20:42.31 | jhutchins_wk | tpidffmtts: Just put it in rc.local |
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| 20:43.23 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: Lagging behind what? |
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| 20:44.06 | nkuttler | djcb: because the kernel team doesn't have the time to package each and every release? |
| 20:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | Because newer kernels in the 3.x series have had some pretty serious bugs? |
| 20:45.57 | dondelelcaro | djcb: sid won't update kernel major versions until after the wheezy release. |
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| 20:46.11 | p8m | wheezy will ship with 3.2 |
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| 20:46.23 | djcb | wasn't meant in a 'i-feel-entitled' way; just wondering, e.g. fedora has much newer kernels |
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| 20:47.05 | dondelelcaro | djcb: newer kernels are in experimental if you really want them |
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| 20:47.20 | nkuttler | djcb: or you can package one yourself |
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| 20:47.37 | tpidffmtts | jhutchins_wk: thanks, it worked |
| 20:48.08 | iio7 | I'm seeing some strange problems on wheezy. When I mount an external drive (both usb stick and real hard drive) and start copying a large file like a MKV file, suddenly I get data in out error and the device is gone from /dev. I then have to reinsert the usb wire and mount again. |
| 20:48.28 | iio7 | I have tried now with several different drives and connectors, all showing the same symptoms. |
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| 20:48.48 | djcb | sure; but I prefer the distro-provided ones e.g. when i need to use the nvidia blobs |
| 20:49.01 | iio7 | I'm unsure how to see if this is a reported bug on wheezy. |
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| 20:51.11 | nkuttler | iio7: can you reproduce it on completely different hardware? e.g. your usb controller could be dying or something |
| 20:51.22 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: Like I said, there have been a LOT of bugs in recent versions (ext4 corruption anyone?). Fedora has a large staff of paid developers who test and patch the kernels, but look at the RHEL kernels to see what they release as stable. |
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| 20:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | iio7: Does it happen on squeeze/stable? |
| 20:52.41 | jhutchins_wk | iio7: I have that problem with a buggy camera I have, but everything else works. |
| 20:52.59 | iio7 | jhutchins_wk, no there is no problem on squeeze |
| 20:53.14 | iio7 | nkuttler, I'll have to investigate that |
| 20:53.15 | djcb | jhutchins_wk: sure; but I think a few years back sid was a bit faster with kernel upgrades |
| 20:53.22 | nkuttler | iio7: do you dual boot the box squeeze/wheezy? or how do you know? |
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| 20:55.55 | iio7 | nkuttler, it's a new clean install of wheezy, previously it ran squeeze |
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| 20:56.13 | {her|bert} | , v gnucash |
| 20:56.15 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: Yeah, but the 2.6 kernel series was very mature and stable. |
| 20:56.16 | judd | Package: gnucash on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.6-2; lenny-backports: 2.2.9-9~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.9-10; squeeze-backports: 1:2.4.10-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.4.10-5; wheezy: 1:2.4.10-5; experimental: 1:2.4.11-1 |
| 20:56.33 | nkuttler | iio7: i see. keep in mind that your hardware could have started failing right after the install. such things happen |
| 20:56.37 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: Look at the problems Ubuntu is having releasing more current kernels. |
| 20:56.56 | iio7 | nkuttler, yes I know, i'll try and reproduce elsewhere, thanks! |
| 20:57.10 | Costanza | i reinstalled debian wheezy neinstall 4 times now and it does not install grub efi properly.. it says configuring grub at the end of install but when i reboot PC wants to boot over PXE because it cant find a bootloader on the HDD.. i even tried to re-create the usb stick but same problem |
| 20:57.54 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: When the kernel devs move so fast with new "features" that a new kernel comes out before the latest one can be tested and patched it makes the maintainers want to just sit back and wait for things to settle down. |
| 20:58.21 | nkuttler | Costanza: did you change anything else besides reinstalling? like the partition scheme? |
| 20:58.29 | jhutchins_wk | djcb: Since Fedora has paid maintainers they can afford to move a little faster and re-do more work. |
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| 20:58.58 | nkuttler | Costanza: or is the uefi boot new? |
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| 20:59.41 | acu | I run Debian Wheezy amd64 with an ATI Radeon VGA card, and suddenly I cannot make two screens in non-mirror - I want to reset everything - how can I do it ? |
| 21:00.28 | djcb | jhutchins_wk: fair enough, thanks for the explanation |
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| 21:01.40 | acu | It used to be an Xorg.conf which if I erased - it would have been reset= however I cannot see it anymore |
| 21:02.12 | Costanza | i just let the installer to use my whole HDD and let it create the partitions |
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| 21:02.43 | Costanza | i booted ubuntu live now.. and i checked the HDD.. there is no EFI folder neither is there a bootx64.efi file.. so debian did not install grub properly.. |
| 21:03.06 | Costanza | i will try to install it myself |
| 21:03.07 | confusid | other then #debian-kbsd @ irc.debian.org Is there another channel for kfreebsd-kernel of Debian? |
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| 21:03.46 | nkuttler | Costanza: you could also ask in #debian-boot @ oftc |
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| 21:06.50 | Zerobeholder | phpmyadmin in wheezy is interesting... |
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| 21:07.05 | Zerobeholder | don't remove the root mysql user-- or else! |
| 21:07.34 | Zerobeholder | seriously, I usually add an uncommon privileged user and remove root and it mucked everything up. |
| 21:08.03 | cusco | define mucked |
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| 21:08.17 | Zerobeholder | So, install phpmyadmin, run the autoinstall script, then replace the mysql root user with an uncommon username. |
| 21:08.22 | cusco | dunno about pma, debian uses debian-sys-maintainer user or so |
| 21:08.24 | jhutchins_wk | Zerobeholder: That would be expected. |
| 21:08.39 | Zerobeholder | fix configs to match the changes |
| 21:09.01 | Zerobeholder | It's all working now. But, it does expect the 'root' mysql user to be there. |
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| 21:09.53 | Zerobeholder | With no access to the DB the autoinstall script cannot continue-- for what it is worth. Back to playing with wheezy. |
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| 21:13.03 | roboman2444 | BAH |
| 21:13.13 | roboman2444 | root@robofox-laptop:/home/roboman2444# debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase --foreign wheezy /media/cdrom0/debian http://http.debian.net/debian |
| 21:13.13 | roboman2444 | mknod: `/media/cdrom0/debian/test-dev-null': Operation not permitted |
| 21:13.13 | roboman2444 | E: Cannot install into target '/media/cdrom0/debian' mounted with noexec or nodev |
| 21:13.30 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.41 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.52 | nkuttler | !paste |
| 21:13.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:14.33 | roboman2444 | sure |
| 21:14.42 | roboman2444 | buuut... how do i get debootstrap to work? |
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| 21:15.46 | b0ss_ | Hello all. |
| 21:15.49 | b0ss_ | I need to setup wireless acces for Debian Squeeze in my laptop. I can't use Ethernet access. First I ran dpkg -l wireless-tools and there's one entry. Then I ran dpkg -l wpasupplicant and there's also one entry. My modified /etc/network/interfaces is as follows: https://gist.github.com/4439444. At the end I tried ifup wlan0 but I was not able to connect. Yes, my SSID is listed from iwlist wlan0 |
| 21:15.50 | b0ss_ | scan. Ideas?? |
| 21:15.53 | nkuttler | roboman2444: i kinda doubt you can install on vfat |
| 21:15.57 | p8m | Can you do a debian install on vfat? |
| 21:16.11 | nkuttler | vfat sounds very nodev to me |
| 21:16.37 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 21:16.40 | beardy | p8m: Why would you? |
| 21:16.50 | nkuttler | beardy: see roboman2444 |
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| 21:17.39 | nardev | hey guys, i justa want to say taht i love debian :D |
| 21:17.49 | p8m | roboman2444: Make a separate partition on the usb drive for debian. /boot could probably be vfat |
| 21:18.01 | nkuttler | :\ |
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| 21:18.19 | abailarri | Hello. I'm writing a script where they run a set of commands. In one of these commands asks for a password. You can put the script this password using a variable (with a read) when required? |
| 21:18.49 | roboman2444 | p8m, i dont think my android can mount anything other than vfat |
| 21:18.51 | roboman2444 | sadly |
| 21:21.10 | nardev | abailarri, ask at bash chan |
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| 21:22.36 | roboman2444 | and can i force debootstrap to work on vfat? |
| 21:22.51 | Zerobeholder | roboman2444: You may want to look at the Ubuntu projects that have successfully done what you are doing. |
| 21:23.00 | nkuttler | roboman2444: what are you really trying to do? boot debian on your phone or? |
| 21:23.06 | roboman2444 | nkuttler, chroot yea |
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| 21:24.01 | nkuttler | roboman2444: you probably want an android channel. they should know more about such things |
| 21:24.05 | Zerobeholder | It seems as if the process escapes you-- which these guys including myself do not have intimate experience with. |
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| 21:24.19 | p8m | roboman2444: cat /proc/filesystems will tell you |
| 21:24.28 | Zerobeholder | Once you know what you need to do, we can help you with commands and syntax |
| 21:24.35 | nkuttler | roboman2444: is there a point to running debian? besides because you can |
| 21:24.45 | roboman2444 | because i can |
| 21:24.50 | nkuttler | i see |
| 21:24.54 | roboman2444 | plus i want lxde running on my device |
| 21:25.20 | Zerobeholder | Check out the Ubuntu project which will probably be 90% the same steps you need to take. |
| 21:25.39 | p8m | roboman2444: /proc/filesystems will tell you kernel supported filesystems. My android supports ext2/3/4 among others |
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| 21:26.21 | Zerobeholder | And by all means, p8m seems like he knows something about this. |
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| 21:28.14 | KsM | ugh, every time I close my laptop, console-kit-daemon and polkitd start using up all my cpu |
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| 21:29.37 | mdorenka | hi, how can i install an package from squeeze in wheezy via apt? |
| 21:29.42 | mdorenka | so all dependencies are maintained? |
| 21:30.02 | mdorenka | (i need to run mono 2.6.7 on wheezy, where only 2.10 is available) |
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| 21:30.14 | p8m | mdorenka: That path is one of misery. |
| 21:30.33 | mdorenka | why? |
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| 21:30.47 | mdorenka | and how can i then run mono 2.6? |
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| 21:31.00 | socomm | why you wanna run mono? |
| 21:31.07 | p8m | mdorenka: run squeeze? |
| 21:31.11 | Arrowmaster | why do you need an older version of mono? |
| 21:31.31 | mdorenka | Arrowmaster because a problem that occurs in 2.10 does not happen in 2.6 |
| 21:31.52 | mdorenka | socomm: i dont want to discuss whether i want to run mono or not, i just want it ;) |
| 21:32.12 | socomm | mdorenka: fair enough |
| 21:32.13 | p8m | mdorenka: Submit a bug about the 2.10 problem |
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| 21:37.19 | mdorenka | p8m has already been done, will propably not be fixed |
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| 21:38.05 | mdorenka | further it doesnt solve the initial problem :) |
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| 21:42.12 | p8m | mdorenka: If you require specific versions of a runtime you are probably better off installing yourself. For example virtualenv use is standard practice with python |
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| 21:45.18 | nullby7e | wheezy is frozen |
| 21:45.29 | nullby7e | i need defrost |
| 21:46.39 | streuner__ | judd, v defrost |
| 21:46.40 | judd | No package named 'defrost' was found in i386. |
| 21:46.54 | streuner__ | nullby7e: defrost, its in debian? |
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| 21:47.02 | p8m | It's winter in the northern hemisphere and most of the developers are there. |
| 21:47.33 | p8m | So naturally it's frozen. Just wait a few months. |
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| 21:48.34 | streuner__ | nullby7e: what do you need exactly? |
| 21:48.41 | b0ss_ | some help on it ? |
| 21:48.48 | b0ss_ | can you provide me, please? |
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| 21:49.58 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: "wasn't able to connect" is not sufficient information to be able to help. |
| 21:50.21 | streuner__ | nullby7e: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:50.54 | Costanza | if i download debian wheezy cd 1.. will it ask me what to install, so i can de-select desktop enviroment and install my own or do i need to download the DVD for that? |
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| 21:51.14 | abrotman | you can deselect it |
| 21:51.25 | Costanza | ok good.. |
| 21:51.40 | jhutchins_wk | !wpa-supplicant |
| 21:51.43 | Costanza | hopefully that one will work since the netinstall is not wokring properly |
| 21:51.59 | jhutchins_wk | !wifi |
| 21:52.00 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | same installer process |
| 21:52.28 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: I would say start with /msg dpkg wpa |
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| 21:52.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell akurczyk about root |
| 21:53.09 | streuner__ | why nobody told b0ss about "how to use wifi"? |
| 21:53.48 | streuner__ | he needs infos and a HOWTO, IMO... |
| 21:54.46 | streuner__ | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 21:55.15 | akurczyk | hello i have a problem with apache default vhost. my hostname is e00.eu, and i would like to make 2 vhosts - e00.eu and vps-admin.eu. unfortunetetly apache is ignoring e00.eu vhost config. i noticed that there is 000-default vhost without an server name. it is probobly making this problem. how can i create this vhosts - e00.eu and vps-admin.eu? |
| 21:55.37 | civillian | remove the default vhost |
| 21:55.59 | akurczyk | when i did that the server started to responding 500 error to every query |
| 21:56.08 | akurczyk | each* |
| 21:57.06 | civillian | check the logs, ensure your VirtalHost directives are setup with *:80 syntax |
| 21:57.06 | akurczyk | and i want to have 000-default vhost for ip query s |
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| 21:59.09 | civillian | check your logs, or pastebin your configs |
| 22:00.52 | akurczyk | http://pastebin.com/7EHHYyT0 my configs |
| 22:01.43 | akurczyk | vps-admin works, but e00.eu not, i think it is because of that this is my hostname too |
| 22:02.58 | mdorenka | p8m thanks for your advice, will do that :) |
| 22:03.06 | civillian | akurczyk: both work for me here |
| 22:03.11 | jhutchins_wk | streuner__: He's got the SSID showing up with "scan", so it's probably a wpa-supplicant issue, which is why I recommended he start there. |
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| 22:04.17 | akurczyk | civillian: e00.eu is showing contents from /var/www (000-default vhost), not from /home/e00.eu/htdocs (e00.eu vhost) |
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| 22:05.30 | ag4ve | is there a way to make links relative to their actual location? ie, i've got my .vim linked to a dotfiles/vim directory and i've got a plugin.vim -> ../../module/vim-plugin/plugin/plugin.vim |
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| 22:06.22 | streuner__ | jhutchins_wk: abrotman already asked him about iwlist, and sure, the cell is available, so its just a config thingie, IMO |
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| 22:06.34 | civillian | akurczyk: are requests for e00.eu showing in /home/e00.eu/logs/access.log |
| 22:07.05 | ag4ve | oh, nm, i messed it up. it works like it should... |
| 22:08.32 | akurczyk | civillian: right now, not, there ara a few linef 30 mins ago, when i disabled the 000-default. but i don't want to disabling this file, becaus i want to accesz /var/www via ip address |
| 22:08.39 | akurczyk | of my vps |
| 22:08.43 | jhutchins_wk | streuner__: He volunteered that it was visible, and said he'd installed wpa, so I figured it was something to do with that. |
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| 22:09.01 | civillian | try setting ServerName in 000-default to 77.55.240.61 |
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| 22:10.03 | b0ss_ | streuner: thanks for your help. I've already followed those steps before |
| 22:10.19 | streuner__ | but, no success |
| 22:10.51 | b0ss_ | jhutchins_wk: I tried the /msg dpkg wpa and I got "file or folder not found" |
| 22:11.06 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: Fun, let me look. |
| 22:11.48 | streuner__ | b0ss_: well, let me make sure, you just use pure Debian, not vmware or something else? |
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| 22:11.52 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: Ah, that's a message to dpkg the IRC bot in this channel for more info on wpa in a private message. |
| 22:11.59 | IncogTop | ...lol |
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| 22:12.50 | IncogTop | anyone use a Sil3132 based esata card with debian? |
| 22:13.18 | streuner__ | b0ss_: Debian is installed on a machine, and pure Debian, not with any virutal BS? |
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| 22:14.25 | b0ss_ | jhutchins_wk: I saw it |
| 22:14.26 | akurczyk | civillian: now it works. but is there a way to set this default vhost to be available via any other domain address or ip. |
| 22:14.40 | b0ss_ | streuner: yes, ti is Not virtual BS |
| 22:14.52 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Can I start two different ssh daemons (which would use two separate sshd_config files) with one init.d script? |
| 22:14.56 | streuner__ | hm, that sounds strange then... |
| 22:15.40 | streuner__ | b0ss_: laptop or Desktop? |
| 22:15.54 | streuner__ | b0ss_: whats the pciid of the NIC? |
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| 22:16.21 | b0ss_ | streuner__ laptop |
| 22:16.34 | b0ss_ | how can I find that information ? |
| 22:16.42 | civillian | akurczyk: I don't know, but you could try giving each vhost a number like 001-e00.eu and 002-vps-admin.eu and recreate the link for 000-default to be 999-default |
| 22:16.46 | civillian | then use ServerName * |
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| 22:18.07 | streuner__ | b0ss_: lspci -nn | grep -i eth |
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| 22:19.21 | satyr31337 | yo popotin |
| 22:19.37 | satyr31337 | !fr popotain |
| 22:19.42 | popotain | yop |
| 22:19.43 | satyr31337 | !french popotain |
| 22:19.54 | popotain | hi all |
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| 22:22.16 | b0ss_ | streuner__: 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E |
| 22:22.38 | b0ss_ | Gigabit Ethernet Controller [llab:4363] (rev 14) |
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| 22:24.09 | LtL | , pciid llab:4363 |
| 22:24.11 | satyr31337 | I got an account on a distant PC, where i got /dev/sda1 as /boot, /dev/sda3 as swap and /dev/sda2 as everything else, and i wanna erase /dev/sda2 and divide it in many logic partitoin how can i do it? |
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| 22:24.54 | streuner_ | judd> Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id 'llab:4363'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in the output of 'lspci -nn'. |
| 22:25.09 | akurczyk | civillian: now it is using the first vhost for every other domain |
| 22:25.25 | jhutchins_wk | satyr31337: If you had room for a minimal bootable system on sda1 you could do that, otherwise it's not gonna happen. Why chop up the partition though? That just guarantees that you'll have the space you need on the wrong partition. |
| 22:25.49 | streuner_ | b0ss_: we need the pciid of your WLAN device, i.e. it should look like 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 22:26.12 | streuner_ | b0ss_: in this case [168c:001c] |
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| 22:27.36 | b0ss_ | "Marvell Technology Group" is not apropriate ? |
| 22:27.48 | streuner_ | b0ss_: jhutchins_wk already told you about wpa, so the device isnt supported or its buggy, just a wild guess |
| 22:27.50 | b0ss_ | Why should it be Atheros etc |
| 22:27.52 | satyr31337 | jhutchins_wk : it is to make a seedbox with 5 different account |
| 22:27.54 | alexander__b | I never fully understood all the debian versions as I'm not a debian user myself. what version would someone need in order to have blender 2.6 and gimp 2.8? i.e. recent major versions of software. not bleeding edge as such, but the latest major versions. |
| 22:28.04 | streuner_ | b0ss_: Atheros is my device, just an example |
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| 22:29.05 | b0ss_ | streuner__: it's strange not to be supported since I've always accessed Internet with Windows. |
| 22:29.09 | alexander__b | is sid stable-ish? I read that it's rolling-release, which is very neat. |
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| 22:29.25 | streuner_ | alexander__b: /msg dpkg sid |
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| 22:30.04 | alexander__b | streuner_: are you insinuating that debian sid breaks? |
| 22:30.14 | streuner_ | sure |
| 22:30.32 | alexander__b | well that's not nice. |
| 22:30.36 | streuner_ | sometimes its so aweful, that it breaks your bones |
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| 22:31.03 | alexander__b | I thought it was more like Gentoo arch. |
| 22:31.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, gentoosmite aleander__b |
| 22:31.50 | dpkg | spends 5 days recompiling aleander__b, and when it's all done, aleander__b runs no faster than previously |
| 22:31.50 | alexander__b | is there some less breaking version of debian then? that still has gimp 2.8 and blender 2.6? heh |
| 22:32.04 | streuner_ | judd, versions gimp |
| 22:32.05 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; sid: 2.8.2-2; wheezy: 2.8.2-2 |
| 22:32.16 | alexander__b | oh, bliss. anti-gentoo crap from the mid-00s. |
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| 22:32.27 | alexander__b | seems sid is the only viable option for that then. |
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| 22:32.32 | streuner_ | alexander__b: gimp 2.8 is in testing/wheezy |
| 22:32.38 | streuner_ | no |
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| 22:32.50 | alexander__b | oh. is wheezy less prone to implosions? |
| 22:33.16 | alexander__b | also is it rolling-release or version-based? |
| 22:33.23 | streuner_ | well, its more tested, but we recommend for newbie and production server sqeeze/stable |
| 22:33.27 | ompaul | there is no rolling debian |
| 22:33.48 | alexander__b | ompaul: it says that sid is |
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| 22:33.58 | EmleyMoor | sid is always "unstable" |
| 22:34.11 | ompaul | alexander__b: and I said it will break now and again |
| 22:34.15 | ompaul | it's not a release |
| 22:34.22 | alexander__b | streuner_: is it easy to get gimp 2.8 and blender 2.6 in stable? or will it implode like opensuse does? |
| 22:34.27 | acu | hello, does anyone know whether there is a resara.deb package that runs on Debian Wheezy ? |
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| 22:34.47 | EmleyMoor | (named after Sid Phillips) |
| 22:34.48 | alexander__b | mixing branches there resulted in a neat dependency hell. |
| 22:34.51 | streuner_ | alexander__b: no, IMO |
| 22:34.52 | acu | I need an integrated LDAP samba server and it seem resara took care of everything |
| 22:35.14 | streuner_ | alexander__b: gimp is a huge package, and there is no backport (/msg dpkg backport) |
| 22:35.18 | alexander__b | streuner_: then I guess wheezy or kubuntu are the viable options atm. |
| 22:35.34 | streuner_ | alexander__b: sure |
| 22:35.59 | streuner_ | alexander__b: otherwise, you have to make whole work by yourself |
| 22:36.13 | alexander__b | I'm looking to do as little as possible, since this isn't for me. |
| 22:36.28 | alexander__b | but I might be the one fixing it if it breaks, so I'd like to have it stable-ish as well. |
| 22:37.47 | alexander__b | maybe stable with binaries of gimp and blender? it's annoying, but hey... less work for me and a more stable system. |
| 22:38.01 | streuner_ | wheezy/testing is in most cases ok, but, as we already told you, just use stable, if you use a production server |
| 22:38.29 | alexander__b | it's for a regular desktop user that needs to do some lamp and some photo editing and some 3D modelling. |
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| 22:38.49 | streuner_ | alexander__b: ok, just /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 22:40.21 | alexander__b | streuner_: thanks. from what I'm reading I think testing will be OK. sounds more stable than opensuse anyway... |
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| 22:40.48 | civillian | a 1 legged mountain goat is more stable than opensuse |
| 22:41.25 | alexander__b | OTOH if she is happy with the versions in stable, and don't mind running GIMP and Blender as separate binaries... then she might as well use that. less borkage for me to deal with. |
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| 22:41.44 | alexander__b | is a recent-ish/usable KDE4 in stable? |
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| 22:42.12 | celeroninuse | Anyone have a rough ETA of Wheezy stable release date? |
| 22:42.21 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:42.26 | EmleyMoor | WIR, SIYH |
| 22:42.33 | b0ss_ | streuner__: it's strange not to be supported since I've always accessed Internet with Windows. |
| 22:43.08 | streuner_ | b0ss_: i got the first statement, but keep in mind, not every device is well supported in Linux |
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| 22:44.04 | roboman2444 | AH-HAH! |
| 22:44.18 | roboman2444 | i tricked the little f*cker to mount ext2 sdcards |
| 22:44.45 | frostschutz | roboman2444: tricked who? |
| 22:44.52 | b0ss_ | streuner__: Am I lost, man? Where can I find driver for my device ? |
| 22:44.59 | roboman2444 | my android |
| 22:45.31 | streuner_ | b0ss_: you need to get the info about your pciid and google for |
| 22:46.01 | streuner_ | b0ss_: just a wild guess, might be an unsupported device or just buggy |
| 22:46.17 | streuner_ | b0ss_: (if all configs are alright) |
| 22:46.24 | tech10171968 | I'll bet it's a Broadcom chipset |
| 22:46.31 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 22:47.00 | tech10171968 | Yeah, I've had lots of "fun" with those |
| 22:47.14 | roboman2444 | tech10171968, nah, its arm a5 i think |
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| 22:47.44 | DelphiWorld | hi guys, |
| 22:47.50 | tech10171968 | roboman: no, we're talking about you *wireless* chipset, not your cpu |
| 22:47.51 | roboman2444 | oh wait... you are talking about a router |
| 22:47.51 | DelphiWorld | how do i know if smbfs is present? |
| 22:48.00 | DelphiWorld | what packages are needed to mount a cifs share? |
| 22:48.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, cifs |
| 22:48.34 | dpkg | Common Internet File System (CIFS) is basically Server Message Block (SMB) without NetBIOS over TCP/IP. The mount.cifs program (cifs-utils package) is required when using a credentials file. See also <DFS>. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/cifs.txt |
| 22:48.37 | streuner_ | might help |
| 22:48.38 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: 1) cat /proc/filesystems/ |
| 22:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | DelphiWorld: (Loose trailing slash) |
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| 22:49.24 | DelphiWorld | jhulst: i didnt got you |
| 22:50.41 | tech10171968 | DelphiWorld: he means to *literally* type "cat /proc/filesystems" in a terminal |
| 22:51.12 | DelphiWorld | i got it |
| 22:51.28 | DelphiWorld | should i get cifs-utils or something, i forget it |
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| 22:51.42 | DelphiWorld | if i do mount -t, i see both cifs and smbfs |
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| 22:52.28 | b0ss_ | streuner__: thanks! I'm going for it. |
| 22:52.36 | b0ss_ | hope I can find something. |
| 22:53.43 | streuner_ | b0ss_: /msg dpkg laptops , there are some useful trics and tips, if the laptop is mentioned... |
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| 22:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: You already have the driver for your wifi if that's what you were asking about. |
| 22:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | b0ss_: The fact that you see the SSID with scan shows the adapter is working, you just need to get the auth fixed. |
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| 23:00.13 | roboman2444 | chroot: can't execute '/bin/bash': Input/output error now im getting this |
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| 23:08.41 | alexander__b | does debian stable do "upgrades" (i.e. updating all apps to next version without a complete reinstall) |
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| 23:09.41 | abrotman | alexander__b: it can, yes |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | it won't do them magically .. |
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| 23:10.27 | alexander__b | abrotman: does it "work"? I remember Fedora Core introduced this feature and it just never worked. someone I knew did it *almost* painlessly from I think 14->15, but all his icons were missing and the translations were only half-done... |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | alexander__b: yes, i've upgraded boxes for numerous releases |
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| 23:11.02 | ompaul | !lenny->squeeze |
| 23:11.13 | alexander__b | abrotman: sounds promising. still undecided between debian stable and kubuntu for my gf. |
| 23:11.13 | ompaul | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:11.14 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 23:11.45 | alexander__b | ompaul: I actually read that. |
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| 23:12.06 | alexander__b | so I assume that's the "upgrade" process. |
| 23:12.44 | ompaul | alexander__b: ^^ that was the last set of changes, obviously you update one debian version to the next one, and then fun - and of course it is debian version X to debian version Y not debian version X+random junk debian version Y |
| 23:13.09 | ompaul | ;-) I guess you know that but it is worth saying publicly every now and again |
| 23:13.21 | alexander__b | I trust it doesn't break ~ though? |
| 23:13.34 | alexander__b | i.e. doesn't try to overwrite config files without warning? |
| 23:13.50 | ompaul | alexander__b: so how big a delta |
| 23:13.55 | alexander__b | I mean /etc, sure... but as long as ~ stays. |
| 23:14.08 | DelphiWorld | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0d8c:000e C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter (PlanetUP-100, Genius G-Talk) |
| 23:14.09 | alexander__b | ompaul: one stable version to the next |
| 23:14.18 | DelphiWorld | where i can get driver for this ? |
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| 23:14.34 | streuner__ | judd, pciid 0d8c:000e |
| 23:14.35 | judd | [0d8c:000e] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0d8c:000e |
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| 23:15.20 | streuner__ | DelphiWorld: Desktop System? just sell it and buy an supported device ;-) |
| 23:15.39 | ompaul | alexander__b: well your /home/whatever has fun - what I have to ask is do you really expect kde 3.5 to work with 4.4 and so forth so the answer is yes and know you seem to know what I really mean so I'll leave it there |
| 23:15.44 | DelphiWorld | streuner__: LOLLOL... it's a thin client |
| 23:16.09 | alexander__b | ompaul: I expect it to not delete the files in ~ related to KDE 3.5. |
| 23:16.21 | alexander__b | ompaul: or anything else in ~. |
| 23:17.39 | abrotman | alexander__b: kde3.x doesn't exist in wheezy |
| 23:17.45 | abrotman | eh .. wait, or in squeeze |
| 23:17.49 | alexander__b | abrotman: ompaul was using an example. |
| 23:18.14 | abrotman | alexander__b: it's not going to delete your $HOME files, but they may not be needed anymore after the upgrade |
| 23:18.19 | b0ss_ | jhutchins_wk: the authentication ? |
| 23:18.25 | DelphiWorld | sup, abrotman |
| 23:18.29 | alexander__b | abrotman: that's fine as long as it doesn't overwrite or delete them without asking first. |
| 23:18.37 | alexander__b | note ASK not WARN. |
| 23:18.52 | alexander__b | but meh. it'll be rsynced anyway, so what the hell. :-) |
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| 23:21.36 | alexander__b | http://packages.debian.org/stable/ WTF @ Web Servers |
| 23:22.20 | alexander__b | I can see how Mono/CLI got so out of place, but that one confused me for a second. I assume it was named "Internet" previously. |
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| 23:23.39 | p8m | alexander__b: It's called "Web Software" ? |
| 23:24.15 | alexander__b | p8m: what? |
| 23:25.37 | p8m | alexander__b: The link you posted doesn't have a "Web Server" category. What are you talking about? |
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| 23:26.04 | alexander__b | p8m: yes it does. |
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| 23:27.01 | p8m | alexander__b: The words "web servers" only appear on that page under the section called "Web Software" |
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| 23:27.37 | alexander__b | p8m: wat. maybe I need to allow javascript. here it appears between haskell and interpreters. |
| 23:27.59 | alexander__b | no, javascript is allowed. odd. |
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| 23:29.03 | p8m | alexander__b: oh no you're right |
| 23:29.04 | nevyn | alexander__b: so you want it so you can't start your desktop? |
| 23:29.22 | p8m | Why is there both web servers and web software? lol |
| 23:29.25 | alexander__b | nevyn: wat? |
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| 23:30.00 | nevyn | alexander__b: the transition from kde3 to kde4 requires that .kde change contents and structure |
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| 23:30.40 | alexander__b | nevyn: it does *not* require the deletion of .kde3 stuff without asking. |
| 23:30.57 | alexander__b | nevyn: also you can just say what you mean, instead of being pedantic and silly. |
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| 23:31.38 | streuner__ | alexander__b: no, thats silly of you, you want a system for gf, right? |
| 23:31.44 | streuner__ | your* |
| 23:31.56 | alexander__b | streuner__: ... so? |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | your gf won't know the difference? :) |
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| 23:32.33 | streuner__ | alexander__b: nobody can guarantee an easy fix to testing... |
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| 23:32.39 | streuner__ | true |
| 23:33.04 | alexander__b | streuner__: I'm just asking if it deletes stuff in ~ or not. |
| 23:33.30 | streuner__ | alexander__b: Debian doesnt change any configs without asking first... |
| 23:33.40 | alexander__b | streuner__: thank you. |
| 23:33.57 | streuner__ | alexander__b: but keep in mind, nobody is able to say, it doesnt make hugh problems... |
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| 23:34.14 | nevyn | alexander__b: so did it do this? |
| 23:34.37 | nevyn | if a package touched ~ it's a serious policy violation |
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| 23:38.46 | arsenm | Does anyone know how to use cpack to generate multiple deb files? e.g. I have a client, server, and header component and I want xxx_client.deb, xxx_server.deb, xxx-dev.deb. Googling seems to suggest it isn't supported but I see other things that seem to say there is a way |
| 23:39.05 | arsenm | Like what is (CPACK_DEB_PACKAGE_COMPONENT for if it doesn't work? |
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