| 00:00.13 | xingu | or chelsio t3 if you got the bucks. |
| 00:00.20 | frostschutz | laser beam! |
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| 00:00.44 | xingu | (the intel onegig have horrible jitter) |
| 00:00.49 | pbxbrian | xingu: I'm on r8169 now |
| 00:00.50 | akulbe | 7.0 is wheezy, right? |
| 00:00.52 | pbxbrian | let me do some tests. |
| 00:00.56 | xingu | cool |
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| 00:02.42 | oo_miguel | I just installed my new SATA SSD but i just get read and write rates around 100MB/s . dmesg tells me that: SAMSUNGS SSD 830 , max UDMA/133, while I have SATA-3 on my mainboard. Any suggestions what I am doing wrong? |
| 00:03.57 | Infiltrator | oo_miguel: My guess would be a missing driver; but hang around here for a peoper answer from somebody else. :) |
| 00:04.01 | frostschutz | oo_miguel: your board isn't set to emulate ide, is it? |
| 00:05.05 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: I did not see any such option in the bios |
| 00:05.12 | petemc | oo_miguel: do you have multiple sata slots on mobo? |
| 00:05.41 | oo_miguel | i have 6 |
| 00:05.56 | frostschutz | oo_miguel: dmesg should tell you which ataN it's using for that ssd and which link speed, e.g. ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps |
| 00:06.04 | pbxbrian | xingu: this is pretty similar except this driver won't let me change to mtu 9000 |
| 00:06.17 | oo_miguel | this tells me 1.5 Gbps |
| 00:06.38 | frostschutz | for the ssd? 1.5Gbps is usually a cd drive or sth. |
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| 00:06.52 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: ok wait a second |
| 00:07.06 | frostschutz | nopaste your entire dmesg if you like |
| 00:07.16 | xingu | pbxbrian: I'm getting the sense that the two systems are more or less identical; are the NIC's in the same slot on both systems? |
| 00:07.22 | pbxbrian | xingu: I've got dual gig nics on board in a bond with a redundant slave. I'm going to use these as the redundant slave and try with the onboard cards. This isn't happening. |
| 00:07.29 | xsappyx | oo_miguel: hdparm will sho you: sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda look for "Transport:" at the top |
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| 00:08.26 | pbxbrian | xingu: No - they are different types of boxes. |
| 00:08.33 | oo_miguel | I have just two entries telling: SATA link up, and they both tell me 1.5Gbp/s only. |
| 00:08.37 | xingu | pbxbrian: and yes, in general getting great performance out of rtl8xxx is ... not a pleasant career |
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| 00:08.55 | frostschutz | oo_miguel: dmesg | grep ahci? |
| 00:09.03 | pbxbrian | xingu: Right, maybe I should follow frostschutz advice :) |
| 00:09.09 | xingu | pbxbrian: the troubleshooting chart can be as short as "return them, get intel e1000" :) |
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| 00:09.12 | Horriblist | hi |
| 00:09.30 | pbxbrian | xingu: I may do that :) Thanks very much for your time and assistance. |
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| 00:09.33 | xingu | pbxbrian: *nod*; my thinking at this stage is that there MIGHT be some value in disabling tso/gso via ethtool |
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| 00:09.41 | Horriblist | any way to get exchange mail in debian |
| 00:10.00 | pbxbrian | xingu: I'll give that a go before I head to the data centre. |
| 00:10.07 | Horriblist | i was able to do it w evolution |
| 00:10.10 | xingu | pbxbrian: (tso/gso stress PCIe DMA more than would otherwise happen - large segments get flung from NIC to CPU) |
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| 00:10.19 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: ahci does not show up in dmesg |
| 00:10.20 | pbxbrian | Horriblist: Exchange client? |
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| 00:10.29 | frostschutz | is it PCIe? |
| 00:10.29 | Horriblist | but i had to download a bunch of stuff and open ports |
| 00:10.37 | frostschutz | oo_miguel: you might want to enable that, then |
| 00:10.39 | pbxbrian | xingu: thanks again :) |
| 00:10.57 | xingu | pbxbrian: (tso/gso also tend to second guess linux's own tcp segmentation - not always with happy results in terms of performance) |
| 00:11.03 | Horriblist | is there something that does all this via wizard like app |
| 00:11.06 | pbxbrian | xingu: right |
| 00:11.11 | Horriblist | or icedove plugin |
| 00:11.22 | xingu | the driver clicking up rx errors worries me, this could be PCIe horkiness, easily. |
| 00:11.28 | oo_miguel | hdparm -I tells me: Trnsport: Serial, ATA8-AST, Sata 1.0a, SATA II Extension, ... |
| 00:11.30 | xingu | anyway |
| 00:11.49 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: the sata slots are onboard |
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| 00:12.22 | xingu | life's too short for $5 fabric ports. :) |
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| 00:12.41 | pbxbrian | xingu: these stupid cards cost me 80 euro in Dublin |
| 00:12.48 | pbxbrian | xingu: bloody rip off republic |
| 00:13.03 | kenyabob | how do I set my default input device for ALSA? |
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| 00:13.14 | frostschutz | pbxbrian: but they're pcie right? :) but even so 80€ seems a bit steep for realtek cards |
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| 00:13.34 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: pci e yes |
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| 00:15.25 | frostschutz | you can get two intels for 40€ but I have no clue if they are any good (Intel 82574L?) |
| 00:15.35 | xingu | that one's fine |
| 00:15.53 | xingu | unless you care about jitter |
| 00:15.57 | xingu | and then they're all not fine. |
| 00:16.13 | pbxbrian | xingu: only thing they are for is drbd replication |
| 00:16.22 | pbxbrian | which doesn't care about jitter |
| 00:16.26 | xingu | right |
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| 00:16.39 | pbxbrian | but does care about raw throughput. |
| 00:16.40 | pbxbrian | ! |
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| 00:22.00 | pbxbrian | xingu: any of these cards ok? http://www.elara.ie/products/networkcard.aspx?available=checked&manu=INTEL |
| 00:23.14 | pbxbrian | xingu: this pair are going back |
| 00:23.21 | pbxbrian | xingu: is going back |
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| 00:24.57 | pbxbrian | split? |
| 00:25.19 | frostschutz | pbxbrian: the Intel Gigabit CT Desktop Adapter is the 20€ card I was looking at earlier |
| 00:25.53 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: right, I'll order a pair now. Thanks again for your and xingu: help |
| 00:25.57 | frostschutz | not sure if there's any reason to not use it in a server... |
| 00:26.01 | frostschutz | since it says desktop and all |
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| 00:27.41 | xingu | pbxbrian: the €30-ish pro/1000's look fine to me. :) |
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| 00:28.39 | xingu | (apart from the fact that they're pci?) |
| 00:29.24 | frostschutz | the gigabit ct desktop is the only pcie in that price range |
| 00:29.33 | frostschutz | specs http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/network-adapters/gigabit-network-adapters/gigabit-ct-desktop-adapter-brief.html |
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| 00:29.57 | xingu | seems to be http://ark.intel.com/products/32209/Intel-82574L-Gigabit-Ethernet-Controller based. |
| 00:30.02 | xingu | go for it? |
| 00:30.04 | pbxbrian | I guess most people don't try to push realtek cards to the max. |
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| 00:30.41 | xingu | pbxbrian: oh don't get me wrong, it's possible, but you wind up becoming uncomfortably expert with every knob, dial, and moving part. |
| 00:30.56 | frostschutz | pbxbrian: realtek cards sometimes have issues even with just 100mbit... you can usually sort them with some driver juggling but... with cards you have a choice |
| 00:31.01 | xingu | pbxbrian: for something that costs €35ish to cure, that's questionable return on investment. |
| 00:31.18 | pbxbrian | right |
| 00:32.05 | pbxbrian | with an mtu of 1500 using the r8168 driver the situation works in reverse :) |
| 00:32.12 | xingu | :) |
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| 00:32.27 | xingu | really sounds like a PCIe bus timing problem to me. |
| 00:32.35 | frostschutz | you could try mtu 4242 that'd probably fix things right up |
| 00:32.41 | xingu | heh |
| 00:32.41 | pbxbrian | frostschutz: LOL |
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| 00:33.05 | xingu | pbxbrian: any joy disabling gso/tso? |
| 00:33.15 | pbxbrian | I'm just about to have a go |
| 00:33.19 | xingu | cool. |
| 00:33.33 | pbxbrian | xingu: leave mtu at 1500? |
| 00:33.37 | xingu | yep |
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| 00:34.44 | xingu | the with/without segment offload cases look really really different to linux's network stack; with, the kernel sends whole tcp windows to the card; without, it sends mtu-sized segments. |
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| 00:35.21 | xingu | a PCIe capable CPU generally does a better job at segmentation than a $5 NIC. |
| 00:35.24 | pbxbrian | xingu: I can't find it in the scroll back what was it again I need to do with tso etc? |
| 00:35.28 | pbxbrian | xingu: sorry |
| 00:35.52 | xingu | pbxbrian: ethtool -k eth0 once to report on status quo; then ethtool -K eth0 tso off to start with |
| 00:35.59 | pbxbrian | ok |
| 00:36.04 | xingu | save the initial state |
| 00:36.06 | pbxbrian | xingu: thanks |
| 00:37.07 | xingu | needless to say some cards get basic things wrong, like RTO measurement. |
| 00:38.09 | xingu | broadcom for instance went through a painful-for-me learning period where there were shipping NIC's that would only ever have max=2 segments in flight at any instance |
| 00:38.38 | xingu | which is bad news if the serialisation delay of a segment is less than a thousandth of the round trip delay. |
| 00:39.48 | xingu | maybe they were hoping I'd use gigabyte-sized MTU's or something. |
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| 00:46.15 | joegiampaoli | I have a strange font issue I can't fix for some time now, for some websites (rarely) some fonts render like this screenshot: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B89XHw6WcgFvZ0ZFTjRMd2cybFU |
| 00:46.28 | joegiampaoli | Sorry I meant in firefox |
| 00:46.44 | joegiampaoli | Am I missing a font or something? |
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| 00:52.01 | frostschutz | essentially your question is "how to make firefox tell me which font it's using there" - I don't know the answer though. Sometimes I'd like to know myself |
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| 01:03.29 | tuv | fdisk in wheezy does not work! it cannot do anything. any change made by fdisk results in "unknown partition table" |
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| 01:10.49 | Ubiquity4321 | grr |
| 01:11.11 | dvs | Doom and Gloom! |
| 01:11.11 | Ubiquity4321 | hello all |
| 01:11.22 | Ubiquity4321 | so i have a fresh install of debian |
| 01:11.42 | Ubiquity4321 | and after GRUB, i get a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left |
| 01:12.02 | Ubiquity4321 | i was on here this morning, and i spoke to babilen (i think) |
| 01:12.39 | Ubiquity4321 | user said I should fix my mbr, but i have lost the instructions |
| 01:13.12 | Ubiquity4321 | so i need help reinstalling grub and fixing my mbr |
| 01:13.42 | Ubiquity4321 | is anyone able to assist me in that? |
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| 01:14.44 | ldnblk | :ubiquity4321 are you running multiple operating systems ? |
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| 01:14.54 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: i am not |
| 01:15.08 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: this is a fresh netinstall |
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| 01:16.15 | ldnblk | :ubiquity4321 were you not present with the option to install grub at the end of your installation ? |
| 01:16.38 | Ubiquity4321 | i was present. grub is installed |
| 01:16.52 | dondelelcaro | tuv: uh... that sure sounds like something else |
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| 01:17.20 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: after grub, it starts loading, and then i get a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left |
| 01:17.33 | tuv | dondelelcaro: what does it sound like? |
| 01:17.34 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: i have attempted to use noacpi, noapic, nomodeset, etc |
| 01:17.45 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: to no avail |
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| 01:18.10 | ldnblk | :ubiquity what distro did you install ? |
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| 01:18.55 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: debian 6.06 |
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| 01:19.32 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: i know x works on this machine because I had puppy linux running not two days ago |
| 01:20.56 | ldnblk | :ubiquity sorry but I am not able to assist you. I was assuming that you had more than one operating system running and were not able to access them all. |
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| 01:21.33 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: ah! i found the instructions dpkg output this morning, though i cannot find the input to get that output... |
| 01:21.43 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: "To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>." |
| 01:21.48 | Ubiquity4321 | i need to do that |
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| 01:22.24 | Ubiquity4321 | i'm not new to linux, but i'm not a sysadmin yet |
| 01:22.26 | Ubiquity4321 | ...yet |
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| 01:23.44 | ldnblk | :ubiquity4321 seem like your already on top of it, well done ! I am glad that you understand the instructions as I dont, I am a bit of a linux novice :-( |
| 01:24.01 | Ubiquity4321 | ldnblk: see, i DONT understand the instructions |
| 01:24.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ubiquity4321 -about fixmbr |
| 01:24.25 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: hey! |
| 01:24.30 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Can't talk you through it though |
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| 01:25.10 | ldnblk | :ubiquity4321 welcome to the world of debian ! |
| 01:25.12 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: i need to know one thing: what is my "target" in that instruction |
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| 01:26.02 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: /target is simply the mountpoint of the root partition of your Debian system -- Do you remember partitioning the disk? |
| 01:26.08 | Ubiquity4321 | yes |
| 01:26.18 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: How did you partition it? |
| 01:27.10 | Ubiquity4321 | lets see here...used the entire disc...separate /home |
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| 01:28.21 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Ok, that means that you have a root partition (that is /) which you have to mount to /target - You can list partitions from a live CD with "fdisk -l /dev/sda", but you might just recall your partitioning scheme |
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| 01:29.06 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: awesome thank you! |
| 01:29.07 | MTecknology | wheeze is the next release of debian, right? |
| 01:29.09 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: fwiw, you can also just try different ones and check if the content is correct if you don't recall what it was (/dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or ... or /dev/sda5 ...) |
| 01:29.13 | MTecknology | wheezy* |
| 01:29.27 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: ahhh, i know what you mean. /dev/sda1 |
| 01:29.28 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: You can then run "umount /target" to unmount (i.e. remove) the root filesystem ... |
| 01:30.03 | babilen | Ubiquity4321: Well, in that case simply mount the root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target" and you should be good |
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| 01:30.08 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: okay. i'm going to try it and report back if i cant figure it out |
| 01:30.19 | Ubiquity4321 | babilen: think i may have it though... |
| 01:31.45 | babilen | great |
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| 02:17.30 | rozz_ | I've recently acquired high speed internet. Due to some odd issues, I could only use debian stable earlier. I'd like to move to debian testing, erasing my current installation of debian stable (not upgrading, erasing) and my installation of windows. Where should I begin? |
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| 02:17.53 | Towzzer | download the install cd for wheezy and boot with it |
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| 02:17.59 | Towzzer | there will be an option to erase everything sir |
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| 02:18.38 | rozz_ | And it should be fairly straightforward from there? |
| 02:18.38 | ProfElm | Hey all, I'm trying to install Openjdk-7-jre. I was reading in a thread (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=77929) how to do it. However, I am having a hard time understanding how to install it. I run the command apt-get install open... and I get an error when trying to install it. The error is that certain packages could not be installed as they have unmet dependencies. If you could give me s |
| 02:18.38 | ProfElm | ome pointers, that would be much appreciated. |
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| 02:19.40 | addaitech | rozz_: yep |
| 02:20.14 | rozz_ | Thanks addaitech and Towzzer. I've been out of programming and stuff for a while. Hopefully this will be my jump back into the tech world. :D |
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| 02:21.29 | Towzzer | rozz- it is |
| 02:21.31 | Towzzer | sorry about the delay |
| 02:22.26 | rozz_ | One last request, if you folks do not mind. Favorite easily accessible desktop manager? I'm thinking I'm going away from Gnome due to resource use. |
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| 02:23.26 | ProfElm | This is the error which I am getting when trying to install openjdk-7: http://pastebin.com/7iFfLCbH |
| 02:23.38 | addaitech | rozz: probably lxde |
| 02:23.50 | addaitech | lightweight, and very easy to use |
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| 02:26.49 | addaitech | rozz_: lxde.org to read about it, its in the packages for install as well when your installing |
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| 02:33.03 | cactusbin | Hello is there a script that is run when the laptop goes to battery power? |
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| 02:33.40 | abrotman | there can be IIRC, look at the acpi scripts |
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| 02:34.55 | cactusbin | abrotman: do you know what directory that is? I tried an acpi script I think and it didn't work for some reason.. |
| 02:35.21 | cactusbin | abrotman: also would xfce4 overwrite anything like that? I use their power manager |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | cactusbin: if you have it installed, it'd be /etc/acpi/ or something like that |
| 02:36.32 | cactusbin | abrotman: I put it at the end of /etc/acpi/events/battery but it didn't work the file says action=/etc/acpi/power.sh but I don't understand that file |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | cactusbin: /etc/acpi/events/battery ? |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | oh .. which is what you alluded to |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | i don't know if xfce would interfere |
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| 02:44.05 | cactusbin | abrotman: ok thanks for your help though |
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| 02:57.09 | palok | hi there; it looks like there is no qt4 static libraries in debian; is that expected ? i'm used to find lib*-static packages for most libs, why not for qt ? |
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| 02:58.01 | lombardo | how do we install the video driverz? |
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| 03:02.04 | wols | lombardo: depends which ones you want/need |
| 03:03.23 | lombardo | wols, my video card is nvidia.. in a previous debian install i had this strange this: when youtube is on and playiong and some other window is in front of firefox, i will still see the video through that window at front |
| 03:03.29 | lombardo | and the videos appear blueish |
| 03:04.29 | wols | !tell lombardo about nvidia |
| 03:04.34 | big_dummy123 | hi all, I'm new to Debian and can't seem to get most things to install |
| 03:04.39 | big_dummy123 | for instance autoconf |
| 03:05.06 | big_dummy123 | E: Package 'autoconf' has no installation candidate |
| 03:05.06 | wols | big_dummy123: and what is the error you get when you try to? |
| 03:05.28 | lombardo | wols, do you suggest nouvea or dkms? |
| 03:05.32 | wols | big_dummy123: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
| 03:06.04 | wols | lombardo: depends. if you want to use nouveau, you get a Free driver and don't have to install anything. if you want nvidia you have to follow nvidia dkms |
| 03:06.39 | lombardo | wols... what about this blue youtube problem? |
| 03:06.52 | big_dummy123 | wols: http://pastebin.com/4C8ptQVL |
| 03:07.21 | big_dummy123 | I only have one line in my sources.list at this point |
| 03:07.22 | big_dummy123 | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:07.31 | damacus | that's why =) |
| 03:07.35 | pbxbrian | big_dummy123: of course |
| 03:07.38 | wols | !sources.list |
| 03:07.38 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 03:08.44 | wols | lombardo: use a newer driver then. sounds like a overlay problem |
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| 03:09.44 | lombardo | wols, open source or prop? |
| 03:10.03 | wols | either? how should I know which one gave you trouble? |
| 03:10.59 | big_dummy123 | thanks wols, that fixed it. The default sources.list doesn't work... kinda weird |
| 03:11.23 | big_dummy123 | everywhere I looked never mentioned to add the line "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 03:11.49 | jagginess | big_dummy123, well look in the right placers |
| 03:11.54 | big_dummy123 | lol |
| 03:12.02 | big_dummy123 | easier said than done apparently ;) |
| 03:12.06 | jagginess | big_dummy123, google "debian wiki" |
| 03:12.18 | pbxbrian | big_dummy123: take the example here http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList and change the country code to yours |
| 03:12.24 | jagginess | big_dummy123, /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/examples |
| 03:14.06 | big_dummy123 | jagginess, does that have a sources.list in it somewhere? |
| 03:14.17 | jagginess | big_dummy123, y |
| 03:14.58 | jagginess | replace <package> with "apt" |
| 03:15.45 | big_dummy123 | ugh, why isn't that one the default?!? |
| 03:15.53 | big_dummy123 | thanks fellas, great info to get me started |
| 03:16.35 | pbxbrian | big_dummy123: what did you install from ? |
| 03:16.43 | big_dummy123 | the first CD |
| 03:16.59 | big_dummy123 | only chose the SSH Server option |
| 03:17.03 | big_dummy123 | unchecked everything else |
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| 03:19.23 | martianixor | hi |
| 03:19.51 | big_dummy123 | even the sources.list is wrong on the wiki |
| 03:20.12 | big_dummy123 | strange |
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| 03:22.36 | sney | big_dummy123, apt doesn't get set up for network access if the installer doesn't have a working network connection. |
| 03:22.57 | big_dummy123 | it does though |
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| 03:23.29 | big_dummy123 | by default it had a cdrom line and two others |
| 03:23.43 | big_dummy123 | "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" and "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 03:23.56 | big_dummy123 | I commented out the cdrom line and it still didn't work |
| 03:24.02 | lombardo | wols... how can i increase screen resolution? |
| 03:24.36 | wols | lombardo: xrandr possibly. or nvidia settings depending on driver. and what your monitor allows |
| 03:24.41 | big_dummy123 | sney: those two lines are how it's listed on the wiki here: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 03:25.02 | lombardo | wols, i didnt install any drivers, but using what came with xorg... what do i do now? |
| 03:25.10 | lombardo | wols, youtube works ok, no blue |
| 03:25.29 | lombardo | wols: i just need to increase resolution a bit and i am set |
| 03:26.44 | somiaj | big_dummy123: it adds the securty ones in an extra step. |
| 03:26.55 | wols | check your xorg.0.log why it chooses this resolution. it generally uses the native res of your monitor |
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| 03:27.50 | lombardo | wols: xrandr says my maximum resolution is 800x600 |
| 03:27.57 | big_dummy123 | somiaj: aaaaahhhh, I see now |
| 03:28.06 | big_dummy123 | somiaj: thx for pointing that out |
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| 03:28.22 | somiaj | lombardo: it could be you only had vesa driver detected, so a copy of your Xorg.0.log would be useful |
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| 03:28.43 | wols | lombardo: could be it uses VESA as a driver. |
| 03:30.42 | lombardo | wols, yes it is using VESA |
| 03:31.09 | lombardo | somiaj: yes i was just looking there and it says VESA ... at top though it has NOUVEAU |
| 03:31.36 | somiaj | lombardo: it could be that nouveau didn't detect your graphics card. Is this on squeeze? |
| 03:31.42 | somiaj | what card do you have? |
| 03:32.10 | lombardo | debian 6.0.6 |
| 03:32.32 | lombardo | the card is a nvidia GTS 400 |
| 03:32.53 | somiaj | lombardo: yea that card might be a little bit new for squeeze. You most likely need xorg and a kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 03:33.02 | somiaj | lombardo: do you want to use nouveau or nvidia non-free drivers? |
| 03:33.13 | lombardo | somiaj: whichever works better |
| 03:33.25 | somiaj | lombardo: do you do much 3 |
| 03:33.27 | somiaj | 3D |
| 03:33.51 | lombardo | somiaj: not at all.. just youtube |
| 03:34.05 | somiaj | the non-free give supporior 3D support and slightly more 2D but not really noticable but take more work to set up |
| 03:34.09 | somiaj | lombardo: /msg dpkg squeeze backports |
| 03:34.18 | lombardo | somiaj: what was it that i needed to add in sources.list? contrib and backports right? |
| 03:34.22 | lombardo | ok |
| 03:34.35 | somiaj | or goto backports.debian.org -- from there you need to install the 3.2 kernel and the xorg from squeeze-backports |
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| 03:40.52 | lombardo | do we add "contrib non-free" to the security.debian.org line too? |
| 03:41.51 | somiaj | yes |
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| 03:42.37 | ProfElm | Hey all, I was wondering how I can use backports to install openjdk-7-jre. I have backports installed according to the instructions here http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:42.59 | lombardo | somiaj: src lines as well? |
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| 03:43.30 | lombardo | ok nm |
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| 03:44.18 | somiaj | lombardo: you probabaly don't need deb-src lines unless you are making your own debian packackages |
| 03:44.30 | somiaj | ,openjdk-7-jre |
| 03:44.34 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 03:44.35 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7u3-2.1.3-1; wheezy: 7u3-2.1.3-1; experimental: 7u9-2.3.3-1 |
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| 03:44.39 | philipp_ | hey, someone know where seehorse saves my private gpg key? (my os wont boot and i wanna extract it with a live-cd) |
| 03:44.58 | somiaj | ProfElm: there is no backport made, and I belive you need to backport a good number of packages to do it yourself |
| 03:45.08 | lombardo | somiaj: do i install xorg right away without uninstalling what i had before? |
| 03:45.22 | somiaj | lombardo: correct, they have the same package names, so they will be upgraded (replaced) |
| 03:45.41 | lombardo | somiaj: and after that do i apt-get install kernel? what is it called? |
| 03:45.49 | lombardo | kernel headers? |
| 03:46.23 | ProfElm | Ah. |
| 03:46.38 | ProfElm | Thank you for the advice. I was wondering what the best way to install it then would be. |
| 03:46.48 | somiaj | lombardo: apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 (install the correct one for your system) |
| 03:47.00 | somiaj | ProfElm: I am unsure in squeeze. |
| 03:47.14 | somiaj | ,check-backport openjdk-7-jre |
| 03:47.29 | ProfElm | Downloading the source and then compiling that? |
| 03:47.34 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-7-jre in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
| 03:47.53 | somiaj | ProfElm: looks like you may need g++-4.7 which may be some work to get into squeeze to compile it |
| 03:48.06 | ProfElm | Oh jeez. |
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| 03:48.22 | ProfElm | Thank you for the advice! I think that I may just try installing Mint instead. |
| 03:49.35 | sney | ProfElm, or you could install wheezy. last I checked, mint's "debian edition" is wheezy based, and if you use debian you still get support here |
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| 03:50.29 | enyawix | the ssd how to is wheezy based ? |
| 03:50.53 | lombardo | somiaj: i chose bdo 3 |
| 03:51.36 | somiaj | lombardo: I was more saying correct arch |
| 03:51.54 | somiaj | lombardo: uname -a to see what you are running, make the arch match, or check dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 03:52.08 | lombardo | somiaj: you mean whether 32 bit or 64 bit? |
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| 03:52.27 | somiaj | lombardo: and the various sides like pae |
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| 03:54.29 | lombardo | somiaj: ok i installed the new kernel.. do i reboot? |
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| 03:55.43 | lombardo | i guess i do |
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| 04:08.46 | lombardo | somiaj: thanks, it all works perfectly... now my problem is that the solution is too high.. i got to reduce it a bit using xrandr, but i dont know how to make it permanent |
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| 04:11.22 | somiaj | lombardo: make a custom xorg.conf or have your de/wm run the xrandr command at startup |
| 04:11.58 | lombardo | somiaj: right |
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| 04:18.29 | MachinaeWolf | http://pastebin.com/XUrKF6B9 <- also not seeing packages I know are in the repos, what do I do to fix that... ? |
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| 04:19.23 | sney | the hash sum mismatch warning will often go away if you apt-get update again |
| 04:19.36 | MachinaeWolf | hmm tried that, no dice |
| 04:19.46 | MachinaeWolf | that was my first idea was to re-update |
| 04:19.55 | sney | in any case, it's a warning and doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong. what packages are you missing? |
| 04:20.31 | MachinaeWolf | I don't see all the ffmpeg things, handbrake, scratch, whole bunches of things are missing O_O |
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| 04:22.16 | sney | handbrake is only in experimental, but scratch should be available. try a different mirror, or delete the files apt is complaining about there and try apt-get update again |
| 04:22.21 | MachinaeWolf | hope it's not from some steam install scripts I tried recently... |
| 04:22.47 | Tramp | MachinaeWolf: ffmpeg is replaced by av*, afaik |
| 04:22.52 | sney | no, that shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless the scripts are doing very stupid things |
| 04:23.00 | MachinaeWolf | not sure |
| 04:23.12 | MachinaeWolf | it didn't properly install anyways, no steam binary to be found... |
| 04:23.37 | sney | steam isn't supported on debian yet anyway. be patient. the windows one works okay in wine, too |
| 04:23.50 | MachinaeWolf | heh never did for me |
| 04:23.53 | MachinaeWolf | neither playonlinux |
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| 04:35.12 | MachinaeWolf | well I removed that file sney and it still says that error... |
| 04:35.36 | sney | how about trying a different mirror, which was my first suggestion? |
| 04:36.28 | MachinaeWolf | k trying |
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| 04:41.17 | acu | hello |
| 04:41.39 | MachinaeWolf | yeah that fixed it for some reason... |
| 04:41.43 | acu | is AGPL debian accepted license ? |
| 04:41.51 | MachinaeWolf | Mirror's out of whack sney? |
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| 04:42.43 | sney | MachinaeWolf, http.debian.net is a script that redirects to your closest mirror, so yes probably |
| 04:43.14 | MachinaeWolf | ah, I swapped and put US mirror/server |
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| 05:53.01 | xdoubl | hi |
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| 06:30.58 | kenro | Hi, am i on DALnet? |
| 06:31.12 | arch | s1gk1ll |
| 06:31.15 | arch | im going to hack u |
| 06:31.17 | arch | ftp://2.82.50.119/ |
| 06:31.20 | arch | XD |
| 06:31.26 | arch | im bruteforcing the pass |
| 06:31.29 | arch | fgt |
| 06:32.07 | kenro | Sounds like freenode isn't much better, after all. |
| 06:32.14 | jchen | rofl |
| 06:32.16 | IdleOne | !ops | arch needs some attention |
| 06:32.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: idleone complains about: | arch needs some attention |
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| 06:32.31 | jchen | lul |
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| 06:33.36 | kenro | Anyone knows why kernel 3.2 in SID system-locks at statup? |
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| 06:39.31 | jagginess | kenro, yeah |
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| 06:40.33 | kenro | You may continue, jagginess |
| 06:42.11 | pippuri | does nouveau still have that screen tearing issue while playing video? It's been a while since I last checked |
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| 06:43.31 | somiaj | pippuri: there is #nouveau -- I think it is probabaly fine there was lots of work done for it recentally. You may want the linux kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports thought |
| 06:44.28 | kenro | yiii |
| 06:44.39 | jagginess | kenro, how do you know if it's the kernel? |
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| 06:45.18 | tidux | is anyone else having weird X cursor theme problems in Xfwm in Wheezy? |
| 06:45.19 | pippuri | Great! I'll try plugging in my dusty old 8500gt and see what happens |
| 06:45.26 | tidux | nothing but Iceweasel seems to be picking up on the theme |
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| 06:46.47 | kenro | Caught a bug-report implicating 3.2. the exchange was marked October of last year. |
| 06:48.06 | somiaj | tidux: have you tried asking xfce? (their channel). It could be the wm uses its own internal theme and isn't honring the xtheme |
| 06:48.19 | tidux | nah xfwm doesn't do that |
| 06:48.23 | tidux | only a few do, like e17 |
| 06:48.37 | somiaj | well any can, I know fvwm can but not by default |
| 06:48.40 | tidux | it's not responding to any of the "Settings" things or lxappearance |
| 06:48.45 | tidux | dunno wtf is happening |
| 06:50.27 | tidux | ok now this is super weird |
| 06:50.34 | tidux | I chose DMZ black for the theme |
| 06:50.40 | tidux | but it's decided to go with DMZ WHITE |
| 06:50.43 | tidux | ಠ_ಠ |
| 06:52.03 | kenro | tidux, the machines are striking back. Sometimes I get the feeling any old crap is generated off a keyword search. |
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| 06:52.33 | tidux | augh it pisses me off that it's not even failing consistently |
| 06:52.46 | tidux | like Iceweasel groks it, why can't the rest of you shitstain applications? |
| 06:53.29 | kenro | i that case I'd hafta go with pebkak. |
| 06:54.57 | tidux | ok this is really weird |
| 06:55.10 | tidux | stopping lightdm and starting and stopping the X server a couple of times fixed it |
| 06:55.29 | tidux | sighs |
| 06:55.30 | kenro | Release the stress blocking the solution, tidux, and your problem will flow away as water... |
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| 06:57.14 | jagginess | !language |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>. |
| 06:57.18 | ddfgt | hi |
| 06:57.44 | ddfgt | good morning |
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| 06:58.07 | enyawix | can i use a current debian install to do a fresh install on a hew hard drive? |
| 06:58.07 | kenro | !fuck language |
| 06:58.30 | ddfgt | i try to mount my windows share.. but it ask for password |
| 06:58.36 | jagginess | enyawix, yeah.. you can use gparted or clonezilla |
| 06:58.53 | ddfgt | but if i click in nautilus "file > connect to server" select "windows share" and put only the IP address - it is work fine.. |
| 06:58.55 | kenro | Forgive that outburst? I got tourist syndrom. |
| 06:58.56 | jagginess | enyawix, (from a live-cd) |
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| 06:59.38 | ddfgt | this is what i tried to type: sudo smbmount //192.168.2.202 /winshare/ |
| 06:59.56 | ddfgt | Password: |
| 06:59.56 | enyawix | jagginess: clonezilla ssd safe? |
| 07:00.18 | ddfgt | any idea? |
| 07:00.19 | jagginess | ddfgt, but if its pw protected you probably wouldn't be able to access a share.. You don't always need a pw to list shares.. |
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| 07:01.03 | jagginess | enyawix, you can copy&paste partitions with gparted.. |
| 07:01.24 | jagginess | enyawix, if the target is larger than the source, you can then "stretch" the ext4 partition .. |
| 07:01.32 | jagginess | enyawix, (using gpartted as well) |
| 07:01.55 | jagginess | enyawix, I'm not as familiar with clonezilla.. never had a dear need for it |
| 07:02.27 | ddfgt | jagginess, it is not pasword prodected.. anyone can access and change stuff |
| 07:03.16 | ddfgt | jagginess, if i click in nautilus "file > connect to server" select "windows share" and put only the IP address - it is work fine.. |
| 07:03.17 | kenro | Oh speaking of target larger than*, I have a /proc/kcore that's 128 terrabytes. My HDD is 300 gig. |
| 07:03.26 | jagginess | ddfgt, that's not a share.. |
| 07:03.49 | kenro | wtf??? |
| 07:03.54 | jagginess | ddfgt, if you can access the shares navigating later.. then i wouldn't care.. |
| 07:04.49 | ddfgt | but how i can make it mounted... |
| 07:05.16 | jagginess | ddfgt, so you can't access the shares.. aha |
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| 07:06.11 | kenro | oh shit that was stupid i uninstalled my 2.6 kernel quick how to get it back??? |
| 07:06.26 | ddfgt | i can. fine with nautilus.. but it is not mounted.. so i cant download stuff direct to the share... |
| 07:06.49 | jagginess | ddfgt, you mean you cant "download" or "upload" ? |
| 07:08.38 | ddfgt | i want to save file from firefox to the share server in my network... |
| 07:08.43 | ddfgt | direct.. |
| 07:10.09 | jagginess | ddfgt, firefox and smb? |
| 07:10.43 | jagginess | ddfgt, it doesnt matter what application you use with your mountpoint.. |
| 07:10.56 | jagginess | ddfgt, you have to setup your smb server stuff properly on winbloze. |
| 07:11.26 | ddfgt | i think it embedded linux.. |
| 07:11.43 | jagginess | ddfgt, there's no point using sudo smbmount, if you're using the gnome dbus environment to do the mounting |
| 07:12.02 | KsM | "winbloze" - a very professional touch |
| 07:12.16 | ddfgt | i try to do |
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| 07:12.31 | ddfgt | sudo smbmount //192.168.2.202 /winshare/ |
| 07:12.43 | ddfgt | but i get this |
| 07:12.52 | ddfgt | Password: |
| 07:13.46 | ddfgt | it i try to go with nautilus i dont need any U/P |
| 07:13.50 | ddfgt | if* |
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| 07:16.59 | pippuri | aww, I still have tearing :( |
| 07:17.25 | kenro | Why is there a 120+ TiB file on my comp when the HDD only holds 300 GiB? |
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| 07:19.39 | xSmurf | kenro: hardlinks maybe |
| 07:20.05 | kenro | how would I verify, Smurf? |
| 07:20.14 | KsM | ls -l |
| 07:21.00 | kenro | off that file? ls -l /proc/kcore? |
| 07:21.01 | xSmurf | du --no-dereference |
| 07:22.03 | KsM | kenro: /proc/kcore isn't on the hard drive though |
| 07:23.43 | kenro | Then why did an install abort for lack of room? |
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| 07:24.34 | KsM | something else on the harddrive is taking up space, nothing on /dev, /proc or /sys actually exist on the hard drive. |
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| 07:40.38 | pippuri | Looks like turning off window compositing fixed the tearing. A transparent dock for more performance, not a bad trade off. :) |
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| 07:47.39 | kenro | Could someone help me with my kernel problem/ Maybe an experiMental repo with 3.8? |
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| 07:53.41 | tavo | are you a new user? |
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| 07:57.04 | mr0wl | what are some fun two player games available on debian? |
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| 07:58.54 | kenro | tavo: Was that for me? |
| 08:00.04 | adc | mr0wl: try #debian-games. I like frozen bubble, which is fun although simple |
| 08:00.43 | tavo | kenro: no, I'm wrong |
| 08:01.02 | kenro | eh? |
| 08:01.50 | tavo | I'm wrong |
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| 08:02.31 | kenro | About? |
| 08:02.42 | arch | can someone help me |
| 08:02.54 | arch | how do i make xterm recognize symbols |
| 08:03.39 | adc | arch: please post a bit more info, as the channel topic suggests. Are you thinking of international (i.e. utf-8) symbols? |
| 08:04.10 | arch | well im not sure if they're international symbols or not |
| 08:04.12 | kenro | Anyone here play Balazar or TMW? |
| 08:04.36 | kenro | MMO! For Linux! |
| 08:04.47 | arch | adc this is the symbol im trying to get into xterm |
| 08:04.48 | arch | http://pastebin.com/d3SfHQ1s |
| 08:05.11 | arch | when i cp it into xterm it turns into #--# |
| 08:06.41 | arch | hello? |
| 08:06.42 | adc | arch: the symbols work on my xterm. I have the following xterm-relevant lines in my .Xdefaults: 'xterm*utf8: 2' and 'xterm*eightBitInput: true' |
| 08:08.08 | kenro | Where can i get linkern 3,8 .deb? |
| 08:08.36 | arch | adc i just put those lines in my xdefault |
| 08:08.36 | tavo | kenro: are that games in the debian repos? |
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| 08:08.49 | arch | loaded another xterm window but the symbols still dont work |
| 08:09.13 | adc | arch: after editing .Xdefaults or .Xresources, execute 'xrdb ~/.Xdefaults' |
| 08:09.22 | arch | oh yeah i forgot |
| 08:09.25 | kenro | Yes they are, tavo. Cool, huh? Well, if they work. YMMV. |
| 08:09.43 | arch | still didnt work |
| 08:10.01 | pippuri | Balazar looks weird, don't really know about TMW |
| 08:10.12 | arch | adc i think i know what the problem is |
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| 08:13.44 | kenro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:16.35 | adc | arch: cool, I'm interested in hearing what you found out |
| 08:17.36 | tavo | kenro: i think that you need to give us more information about your problem |
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| 08:20.57 | kenro | thanks tavo. Debian Sid on Acer netbook. Only provides 2 images- 2.8 and 3.2. 2.8 can't launch my apps. 3.2 barely launches the system. During startkde, the system locks. Ceases function. No hotkey the few that I know will fix it. |
| 08:22.17 | arch | adc |
| 08:22.17 | kenro | I hafta cut the power and reboot. |
| 08:22.24 | arch | i think it has to do with some language files |
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| 08:25.50 | tavo | kenro: dmesg while OS starts? |
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| 08:28.02 | kenro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.25 | kenro | Could be netbooks just don't have the hardcode or control regesters to run Linux to fullest? |
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| 08:30.58 | arch | adc |
| 08:31.10 | arch | i fixed the problem BUT it still doesnt work in xterm |
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| 08:36.46 | arch | adc |
| 08:36.52 | arch | i think i know what the problem is |
| 08:37.20 | arch | nope |
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| 08:42.21 | arch | does anyone know what could be causing this problem |
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| 08:55.13 | orzo | howdy |
| 08:56.32 | orzo | I need to print some haskell source code files to paper for somebody for actually reading on paper... I have used a2ps before to format text files in printed form, but i'm interested in alternatives. Anybody got ideas for me? |
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| 08:58.20 | a-l-e | i'd like to get the power button to hat the machine... |
| 08:58.37 | a-l-e | currently both "sudo halt" and the power button reboot the machine... |
| 08:58.39 | a-l-e | any idea? |
| 08:58.59 | a-l-e | (current debian testing; in the past it used to halt correctly...) |
| 09:02.31 | a-l-e | i have a default /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn-acpi-support which says that in the default case it should output "Power button pressed"... |
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| 09:02.56 | a-l-e | i don't see the string and pressing the power button restarts the machine instead of halting it... |
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| 09:04.52 | a-l-e | manually doing "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h -P now", which seems to be the default action also reboot the machine... |
| 09:06.02 | a-l-e | in the bios i could not find any relevant options... |
| 09:06.17 | a-l-e | sudo /sbin/poweroff also reboots... |
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| 09:10.45 | KsM | a-l-e: what about `init 0`? |
| 09:11.15 | a-l-e | let me try it... |
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| 09:12.14 | a-l-e | KsM: it also reboots the machine |
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| 09:12.36 | a-l-e | if i disable acpi and apic it won't reboot... but it won't turn the powre off, either. |
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| 09:13.18 | kikokos | hi |
| 09:13.24 | a-l-e | and pressing the power button just power offs the machine, without halting it before. |
| 09:13.37 | a-l-e | which is not really an option for an headless machine. |
| 09:14.12 | kikokos | i'd like to make an upgrade and it requires 1,5 gb to download and 1,5 to use later, and my question is on which partition? I've got 1 gb free at / and more at /home |
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| 09:16.07 | icesword | dpkg, hi |
| 09:16.07 | dpkg | hi |
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| 09:21.20 | Tired | kikokos, packages never install to /home. the download-cache is in /var/cache/apt, the installs go.. well, you know where, all over, whatever FSH says |
| 09:22.39 | icesword | .w sore |
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| 09:25.25 | Townsend | Does Debian ever plan on going to systemd? |
| 09:25.45 | Townsend | rc.conf is the only reason I don't use it. |
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| 09:43.48 | Catbuntu | Hi |
| 09:44.05 | Townsend | Hi.. |
| 09:44.18 | Catbuntu | One question. While installing, it asks me for the iwlwifi driver. I tried to put the .ucode files on a USB stick, but it still says me that the driver isn't found. |
| 09:44.40 | Catbuntu | So, can I install it without Internet using a non-netinstall image and then install the drivers? |
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| 09:45.29 | Townsend | Can you not just plug it into a router? |
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| 09:45.42 | Townsend | Deal with the ndwis bs later? |
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| 09:46.36 | Catbuntu | Yes, but I mean is it possible to install with a non-netinstall image and then install the drivers? |
| 09:46.47 | Townsend | Of course |
| 09:46.57 | Catbuntu | I think there's a firmware-something package which has the iwlwifi drivers, but without internet how could I install it? |
| 09:47.06 | Townsend | Its just easier to go wired and use the net install image you already have |
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| 09:47.35 | Catbuntu | Okay. |
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| 09:47.50 | Townsend | Whats your wifi chipset? |
| 09:47.59 | Catbuntu | Also, sorry for the total newbie question, but is there any installation media for Wheezy or I have to change the sources.list after installing Squeeze? |
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| 09:48.21 | Catbuntu | 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 |
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| 09:50.03 | Townsend | Catbuntu: once your wired just do apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 09:50.11 | Townsend | That will fix your wifi |
| 09:50.13 | Catbuntu | Ok |
| 09:50.24 | Catbuntu | I managed to install Arch with wifi, though. |
| 09:50.54 | Townsend | You can install Debian with Wifi as well |
| 09:50.55 | niteye | how does debian make money? |
| 09:50.55 | Catbuntu | And... Wheezy will have Gnome 2 on its repositories? |
| 09:50.58 | Townsend | Im an Arch user haha |
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| 09:51.10 | Catbuntu | Oh, I didn't like Arch |
| 09:51.11 | Townsend | Yes |
| 09:51.18 | Catbuntu | I read that Wheezy will use XFCE, is that right? |
| 09:51.20 | Catbuntu | IIRC it's frozen now |
| 09:51.30 | Catbuntu | There may be the option to use MATE also |
| 09:51.45 | Townsend | Mate is Gnome3 I belueve |
| 09:51.49 | Townsend | Believe |
| 09:51.51 | Catbuntu | No, it's a fork of Gnome 2 |
| 09:51.55 | Townsend | Hmm |
| 09:52.07 | Townsend | I am oretty sure its a gnome 3 fork |
| 09:52.07 | Catbuntu | I mean, it *is* Gnome 2 |
| 09:52.12 | Townsend | It uses Gnome-Shell |
| 09:52.15 | Catbuntu | No, the gnome 3 fork is Cinnamon |
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| 09:52.22 | Townsend | Ahh ok |
| 09:52.29 | Townsend | Thats the one I tried |
| 09:52.33 | Catbuntu | This is MATE: http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a599/tomeuari/Karmic-clean.png |
| 09:52.35 | niteye | im installing debian on a cubox (it's like a raspberry pi for rich people) and i want a very lightweight windowmanager, which would you recommend, icewm or fluxbox (whichever of the two is lighter?) or is there an even better oen? |
| 09:52.37 | Townsend | Those mint guys do some good stuff |
| 09:52.38 | Catbuntu | Customized like Ubuntu karmic |
| 09:52.47 | Catbuntu | And that's Cinnamon: http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a599/tomeuari/housecat.png |
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| 09:52.55 | Catbuntu | I'm a Mint user, used MATE for a while but switched to Cinnamon recently |
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| 09:53.01 | Catbuntu | I also used to like XFCE |
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| 09:54.34 | Townsend | niteye: Id go with wm |
| 09:54.56 | Townsend | Dunno exactly which is "lightest" but wm is VERY light and powerful |
| 09:55.01 | niteye | icewm? or is wm something different? |
| 09:55.01 | Catbuntu | openbox :P |
| 09:55.14 | Townsend | no Window Maker |
| 09:55.22 | niteye | aah okay |
| 09:55.51 | Catbuntu | I never used Debian because of that iwlwifi things, but used Linux Mint Debian Edition. |
| 09:56.02 | Catbuntu | I assume that the genuine Debian is better haha |
| 09:56.06 | Townsend | Debian Edition? |
| 09:56.13 | Townsend | It all came from Debian Anyways |
| 09:56.21 | Townsend | Ubuntu/LM etc |
| 09:56.27 | Catbuntu | Yes, instead of being based on Ubuntu it's based directly on Debian |
| 09:56.43 | Townsend | I see |
| 09:56.47 | Catbuntu | So it avoids the Ubuntu garbage |
| 09:57.03 | Catbuntu | And I'm installing CentOS on Virtual Box now. |
| 09:57.20 | Townsend | I remember bach when you were on Team Debian or Team Redhat, or a rebel with mandrake or slackware |
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| 09:58.02 | Catbuntu | haha |
| 09:58.03 | Townsend | omg my dog has serious gas and its gross |
| 09:58.10 | niteye | i used to like ubuntu because it was a debian with more recent packages, but then they messed it up with their new release every 6 months, updates every day, default wallpapers that look like macro images of feces samples and annoying desktop environment |
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| 09:58.47 | Townsend | niteye: Both Ubuntu and Redhat were destroyed by the same culprit |
| 09:59.00 | Catbuntu | OpenSUSE is great, too. |
| 09:59.03 | Catbuntu | I'd try it with MATE. |
| 09:59.06 | Townsend | Commercial interests.. |
| 09:59.22 | Catbuntu | Mint is the solution to ex-Ubuntu users as me. |
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| 09:59.40 | xingu | I used debian long before iwl was a thing, and I still have the pro2011b's to prove it. |
| 09:59.44 | Catbuntu | 11.04 was acceptable because it still had GNOME, >= 11.10 = Disaster |
| 10:00.08 | Townsend | Arch is really versatile and powerful. But its more for users who area lil more advanced and are not lazy. People who want to make their system their own. |
| 10:00.14 | Townsend | But I love it. |
| 10:00.24 | Catbuntu | Arch isn't difficult, but I'm too lazy for it. |
| 10:00.28 | Townsend | Pacman is the best thing since dpkg/apt |
| 10:00.37 | Catbuntu | I tried Manjaro on Virtual Box and it's great. |
| 10:00.42 | niteye | debian is for lazy people, apt-get install blahblah, presto, its installed and running |
| 10:00.43 | Catbuntu | It's Arch for lazy people :) |
| 10:01.01 | Townsend | It isnt difficult. But a linux starter isnt going to be comfortable with it, |
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| 10:01.19 | Townsend | niteye: pacman is as easy, some would say easier. |
| 10:01.46 | ansgar | Last I looked at Arch they didn't even manage to do a simple update of the base system... |
| 10:02.08 | niteye | the atari port i had of pacman was terrible |
| 10:02.14 | Catbuntu | But installing Arch is even fun. |
| 10:02.20 | Townsend | ansgar: It is a rolling release... |
| 10:02.25 | Catbuntu | I was happy after installing XFCE. |
| 10:02.59 | Catbuntu | The problems came when I had to start to work with my school things, I needed a lot of not-out-of-the-box things and I'm lazy to go to the wiki and find how to use the wifi printer. |
| 10:03.11 | Catbuntu | I'll give Debian a try, perhaps, but first on vbo. |
| 10:03.13 | Catbuntu | *vbox |
| 10:03.14 | Townsend | ansgar: You make zero sense.. packages from the base system are updated as needed. You don't understand how a rolling release works obviously. |
| 10:03.42 | Townsend | Debian is great, classic simple GNU/Linux as it always has been. |
| 10:03.44 | ansgar | Townsend: No, regular updates shouldn't require manual intervention. |
| 10:04.00 | Townsend | ansgar: They don't. Go read. |
| 10:04.00 | ansgar | Townsend: https://www.archlinux.org/news/filesystem-upgrade-manual-intervention-required-1/ -> bleh |
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| 10:04.11 | ansgar | Townsend: They do. |
| 10:04.16 | Townsend | Old. |
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| 10:04.59 | Townsend | Arch is simple to keep updated. One command, can even automate it. Dont have to deal with huge distro upgrades. |
| 10:05.04 | ansgar | Townsend: https://www.archlinux.org/news/fontconfig-2101-update-manual-intervention-required/ |
| 10:05.06 | Townsend | But Arch isnt even on topic here. |
| 10:05.07 | ansgar | Newer. |
| 10:05.18 | Townsend | Still irelevant. |
| 10:05.33 | ansgar | Yes, becuase Debian doesn't have that problem. Updating just works here ;) |
| 10:05.41 | Catbuntu | Using GNOME 2 is a good thing but a bad thing too. |
| 10:05.45 | Catbuntu | GTK3 is a nightmare :( |
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| 10:06.07 | Townsend | Thats because those are bleeding edge versions, you wouldnt see them on Debian testing for at least 3 months |
| 10:06.18 | Townsend | The issue would be long resolved on Arch by then. |
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| 10:06.59 | mynameisdeleted | whats the mdadm command to force an mdadm array to be listed as degraded and cause a rebuild? |
| 10:07.16 | mynameisdeleted | if I want to make sure all disks are in sync |
| 10:07.40 | ansgar | Townsend: No. The Gentoo people I know were laughing too. And they are always said to use bleeding edge versions ;) |
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| 10:08.17 | ansgar | Townsend: Also it's not related the the software, but their package manager or they could do the file removals automatically. |
| 10:08.53 | Townsend | ansgar: That is supposed to mean something? You want bleeding edge software you deal with bugs. You want the most stable you use Debian and wait for stuff to stabalize. |
| 10:09.22 | ansgar | Townsend: That weren't bugs... |
| 10:09.27 | Townsend | ansgar: Again you have no idea what you are talking about, I am ignoring you now, as you are just trolling and also off topic. |
| 10:09.37 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 10:09.37 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:11.58 | mynameisdeleted | got it echo check >/sys/class/block/md0/md/sync_action |
| 10:12.20 | mynameisdeleted | havent had that run in like 6 months and I like to know |
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| 10:12.36 | Townsend | mynameisdeleted: I was googling hard for ya haha |
| 10:12.39 | mynameisdeleted | after that I do one more reboot with a forced fsck... though that shows no issues in read-only mode |
| 10:12.44 | Townsend | Not big on raid |
| 10:13.04 | mynameisdeleted | can you buy me a 15TB single disk drive? |
| 10:13.08 | mynameisdeleted | or... you prefer lvm? |
| 10:13.13 | mynameisdeleted | and if a drive fails a lot of yoru data goes? |
| 10:13.20 | mynameisdeleted | or gluster or somethign is better? |
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| 10:14.18 | mynameisdeleted | will be done in 10 hours...haha |
| 10:14.37 | MMavipc | I was getting disappointed with ubuntu, and then I remembered debian |
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| 10:16.30 | mynameisdeleted | my network is strange... 8 computers ... most use nfs-root which goes from ext4 installed on my raid array |
| 10:16.34 | Townsend | mynameisdeleted: I meant experience wise. |
| 10:16.48 | mynameisdeleted | ahh |
| 10:16.51 | Townsend | Not preference. |
| 10:17.12 | mynameisdeleted | ... I'll probably grow my network storage by going glusterfs or gpfs over the raid and using multiple raid-hosts |
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| 10:17.23 | mynameisdeleted | gluster doesnt do ultra-fast file reads of single files like raid6 does |
| 10:17.34 | mynameisdeleted | it does load-balance read requests |
| 10:17.44 | mynameisdeleted | so one heavy disk-user doesnt slow it down too much for everyone |
| 10:17.48 | ectospasm | I've only dealt with one RAID, and it's an Atom based enclosure... for a first effort it ain't bad, if not too expensive. |
| 10:18.14 | Townsend | I have all these old SCSI arrays sitting in my basement |
| 10:18.18 | ectospasm | I'm waiting for btrfs to mature, then I'll get a system that doesn't even use RAID |
| 10:18.21 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 10:18.21 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:18.27 | Townsend | I will learn raid one day by messing with them |
| 10:19.13 | ectospasm | I'm hoping btrfs will get me to the point where I won't need to |
| 10:20.19 | Townsend | scsi was supposed to keep increasing in value.. but with SSD getting more stable and cost effective.. I think they will all be worthless soon |
| 10:21.28 | MMavipc | scsi was dead long long ago |
| 10:21.54 | Townsend | Yeah but they still increased in value.. |
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| 10:22.10 | Townsend | As people building huge arrays still preferred it |
| 10:22.15 | mynameisdeleted | scsi died when they started putting formerly scsi-only features on sata... even before than when they put those features on ide |
| 10:22.19 | Townsend | er |
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| 10:22.57 | Townsend | Go on Ebay.. scsi is still in demand |
| 10:23.03 | Townsend | Dont ask me why |
| 10:23.09 | mynameisdeleted | in early scsi days scsi would kill ide for performance but no more, and having a 20% faster drive that spins 20% faster is nothign compared to 0 seek time from solid state |
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| 10:23.49 | Townsend | Yea Solid State is a nail the scsi coffin which was already burried. |
| 10:23.59 | OsteHovel | ;-) |
| 10:24.49 | Townsend | I couldnt believe the performance increase when I dropped a 120GB San Disk Extreme 6Gbs SSD in this laptop |
| 10:25.02 | Townsend | Booted Windows 7 in under 10 seconds.. |
| 10:25.07 | Townsend | I was like wtf |
| 10:26.03 | MMavipc | !dpkg do townsend |
| 10:26.04 | dpkg | refuses to do townsend |
| 10:26.08 | Townsend | Then I clicked on the Word Icon, blinked and it was open.. |
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| 10:27.50 | Townsend | MMavipc: ? |
| 10:27.58 | dpkg | beats mmavipc over the head with a microkernel, courtesy of mmavipc |
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| 10:28.11 | ectospasm | That's funny... I have an SSD in my homebuilt router, and it takes over a minute to boot pfSense... |
| 10:28.19 | MMavipc | just messing around with the dpkg bot |
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| 10:28.23 | MMavipc | don't mind me |
| 10:28.28 | dpkg | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Townsend, courtesy of mmavipc |
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| 10:28.57 | Townsend | I built a far better bot in python in about 25 mins |
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| 10:30.29 | MMavipc | !slashdot |
| 10:30.36 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (7 of 15): Visualizing Personal Flight Data With OpenFlights.org ;; Rusty Foster Isn't Dead ;; Facebook Gives Free Voice Calls a Trial Run in Canada ;; Catch Up Via Video With World of Commodore 2012 ;; Scary Toothbrush Prompts Shutdown of World's Busiest Airport ;; Ask Slashdot: Keeping Your Media Library Safe From Kids? ;; French ISP Blocking Web Ads By Default. |
| 10:31.27 | MMavipc | dpkg++ |
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| 10:45.35 | MMavipc | Out of 1214 people in this channel, is anyone actually watching it? |
| 10:45.55 | ectospasm | !ask |
| 10:45.55 | niteye | yeah |
| 10:45.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:46.03 | xingu | a watched channel never boils. |
| 10:46.55 | niteye | who the hell uses micro SD cards, theyre too tiny, too easy to lose and no computer i have has a port to connect them |
| 10:47.47 | xingu | niteye: portable electronics. |
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| 10:47.57 | ectospasm | ...like mobile phones |
| 10:48.07 | tapout | is there an app that will do things in parallel... like, I want to sort 4 files in parallel each using a core from 1 line.. parallel -p 4 {./sort.pl file1} {./sort.pl file2} and so on.. |
| 10:48.20 | MMavipc | !dpkg micro sd cards |
| 10:48.20 | dpkg | micro sd cards are horrible pieces of shit |
| 10:48.26 | niteye | yeah but my miniature computer i bought uses a micro sd card, and i cant put it in my computer to format and flash a different OS on it |
| 10:48.46 | ansgar | tapout: parallel, xargs -P, ... |
| 10:48.48 | xingu | tapout: pdsh is a pretty neat swiss army knife. |
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| 10:49.07 | ectospasm | tapout: sort doesn't work for you? |
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| 10:49.55 | xingu | suspects his notion of "parallel" is probably a few orders of magnitude wider than tapout's |
| 10:50.35 | tapout | thanks |
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| 10:55.55 | Zambezi | In Squeeze there's only libgnutls26 but I need libgnutls28. I added backports to the repos. No luck. |
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| 10:57.54 | xingu | niteye: from memory it's possible to adapt u-sd to sd with a passive adapter. |
| 10:58.26 | xingu | niteye: reputable brands actually ship with one in the same box if memory serves. |
| 10:58.52 | niteye | looks like i should start buying from reputable brands from now on |
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| 11:04.28 | netchip | Hi guys |
| 11:04.33 | netchip | I have a problem: |
| 11:04.34 | netchip | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.45 | netchip | So I dd'd a zero'd file |
| 11:04.50 | netchip | and mkfs.ext4 |
| 11:04.58 | netchip | later, I copied files into it |
| 11:05.05 | netchip | and it growed oO |
| 11:05.11 | netchip | can anyone explain why? |
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| 11:07.13 | xingu | netchip: sounds like the file was created as a sparse file; try conv=nosparse maybe? |
| 11:07.30 | netchip | xingu, I'll try, thx |
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| 11:08.58 | RBMW-CVT | Hi |
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| 11:09.40 | netchip | xingu, It says that conv=nosparse doesn't exist oO |
| 11:11.12 | RBMW-CVT | Who can help to friend lxde and wi-fi |
| 11:12.13 | xingu | netchip: ok try dd as usual then next step cp --sparse=never ddfile newfile |
| 11:12.14 | RBMW-CVT | ?:-[ |
| 11:12.31 | xingu | netchip: and then proceed to build the filesystem inside newfile |
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| 11:12.38 | netchip | xingu, ok |
| 11:12.51 | Townsend | RBMW-CVT: Sorry that makes no sense? |
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| 11:13.02 | Townsend | friend lxde? |
| 11:13.11 | xingu | netchip: btw this is just a guess, hopefully it works out. |
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| 11:14.26 | netchip | xingu, Worked!!!! thanks you so much! :D |
| 11:14.39 | netchip | xingu, Oh it didn't |
| 11:14.41 | netchip | lolz |
| 11:14.47 | RBMW-CVT | What utility is best for setting up wi-fi? |
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| 11:15.51 | Townsend | RBMW-CVT: It depends, Wicd and NetworkManager should work fine |
| 11:16.04 | Townsend | setup or Manage>? |
| 11:16.40 | xingu | netchip: ok in that case let's try this |
| 11:16.45 | xingu | netchip: first dd |
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| 11:17.11 | netchip | xingu, done |
| 11:17.25 | xingu | netchip: next losetup /dev/loop0 ddfile |
| 11:17.31 | xingu | netchip: then mkfs /dev/loop0 |
| 11:17.34 | xingu | ;) |
| 11:17.51 | netchip | I'll try :) |
| 11:18.29 | xingu | netchip: nb next would be mount /dev/loop0... and to unwind it all... umount /dev/loop0, losetup -d /dev/loop0 |
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| 11:18.55 | RBMW-CVT | Both. And i have a small problem: openbox window manager can be launched only by hand... |
| 11:19.14 | cardiel | i cant change region in gnome 3.4 (formats) . the only choice i have is US.. do i need to install an extra package ? |
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| 11:20.09 | RBMW-CVT | Same problem |
| 11:20.21 | netchip | xingu, fixed it by changing count to count=800, it made the file smaller, while it initially was 893MB, while nautilus said it was 850MB, weird, but true |
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| 11:20.30 | Townsend | RBMW-CVT: try NetworkManager, I am not sure of your driver situation. |
| 11:20.42 | Townsend | RBMW-CVT: Which dm are you using? |
| 11:21.02 | RBMW-CVT | Dm? |
| 11:21.38 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: display manager, GDM, KDM, XDM, lightdm, slim, etc. |
| 11:23.48 | RBMW-CVT | LXDE, gdm |
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| 11:24.32 | RBMW-CVT | Not a gnome. But gdm |
| 11:25.06 | ectospasm | GDM just launches the session... you should have a way in LXDE to set your WM << RBMW-CVT |
| 11:25.23 | ectospasm | alas, I have zero experience with LXDE |
| 11:25.30 | Townsend | ectospasm: LXDE is the DE |
| 11:25.41 | ectospasm | Townsend: really? I knew that. |
| 11:25.53 | Townsend | The dm sets the session type aka DE. |
| 11:26.15 | RBMW-CVT | So, gdm |
| 11:26.17 | ectospasm | Townsend: right... and in the startup scripts/config of the DE, the desired WM should be launched |
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| 11:26.42 | Townsend | RBMW-CVT: what happens when you do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 11:26.44 | ectospasm | ...I use XMonad, formerly with GNOME3 Classic/Fallback, and now with XFCE4 |
| 11:26.46 | Townsend | ectospasm: No. |
| 11:27.21 | ectospasm | Townsend: don't say "no" unless you back up your argument |
| 11:27.23 | Townsend | rc.conf starts the dm, the dm starts the DE, thats it. |
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| 11:27.43 | ectospasm | Townsend: and the DE starts the WM. What part of this do you not understand? |
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| 11:28.07 | Townsend | He isnt having an issue starting a wm |
| 11:28.19 | Townsend | He is having a problem starting LXDE a DE. |
| 11:28.23 | Townsend | now STFU. |
| 11:28.23 | ectospasm | Townsend: he said he's having trouble starting OpenBox in LXDE |
| 11:28.30 | Townsend | No he did not. |
| 11:29.02 | Townsend | OMG I am sick of trolls. RBMW-CVT Good luck |
| 11:29.03 | ectospasm | Townsend: check your history, he did indeed. |
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| 11:29.28 | ectospasm | if he thought I was trolling, he can go stick it. |
| 11:31.05 | RBMW-CVT | Amm... Now i see tty1 |
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| 11:33.04 | RBMW-CVT | And on tty 7 there is nothing |
| 11:33.39 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: is gdm3 started? |
| 11:34.05 | RBMW-CVT | No |
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| 11:34.49 | RBMW-CVT | It just died |
| 11:34.57 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: if you run "service gdm3 start", does it give any errors? |
| 11:35.09 | RBMW-CVT | I will reboot |
| 11:35.20 | ectospasm | that may not fix anything |
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| 11:36.07 | RBMW-CVT | It will launch gdm |
| 11:36.18 | netchip | woop woop |
| 11:36.40 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: does it crash immediately, or are you then having trouble selecting LXDE as your session? |
| 11:36.40 | netchip | me haz ubuntu running in tah chroot on meh i9300 |
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| 11:36.55 | ectospasm | !ubuntu |
| 11:36.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 11:37.35 | RBMW-CVT | It crashed after command |
| 11:37.54 | ectospasm | what command? |
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| 11:39.39 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: what command? |
| 11:39.53 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: If you think it's a problem with gdm3, you may want to try another DM, like lightdm or slim |
| 11:40.26 | RBMW-CVT | This /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:40.30 | ectospasm | ...that will help rule out whether it's gdm3, or the X session file which is crashing. |
| 11:41.19 | ectospasm | RBMW-CVT: installing another DM through apt should run update-alternatives, and allow you to select the new DM over gdm |
| 11:41.33 | ectospasm | note: gdm != gdm3 |
| 11:41.47 | RBMW-CVT | Launched! |
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| 11:43.32 | RBMW-CVT | I have not problem with de. Just with openbox |
| 11:44.03 | RBMW-CVT | As window manager |
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| 11:47.12 | somiaj | RBMW-CVT: can't you select your 'session' with gdm? |
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| 11:50.08 | RBMW-CVT | No |
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| 11:51.03 | somiaj | is there a default session, that will read $HOME/.xsession and you can launch your wm from that |
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| 11:52.03 | RBMW-CVT | I'd like to install full gnome, but i have 4gb on / |
| 11:52.44 | somiaj | gnome is that big these days? |
| 11:52.53 | somiaj | or does that include your whole install? |
| 11:52.58 | somiaj | like $HOME |
| 11:54.50 | RBMW-CVT | There is no .xsession, but .xsession-errors |
| 11:55.11 | somiaj | you have to create .xsession it won't be tehre by default |
| 11:55.30 | somiaj | but what this does is allow you to create a custom session for your user. Then you can choose the default session from your dm |
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| 12:03.04 | RBMW-CVT | Hmmm... It seems that i killed LXDE... Will install gnome |
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| 12:06.43 | tapout | awk: cannot open "/..." for output (Too many open files) |
| 12:06.56 | tapout | sysctl -a | grep file, shows the fs.file-max to be like 3billion |
| 12:07.23 | tapout | awk is trying to open 26*26.. roughly 676 files |
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| 12:08.18 | RBMW-CVT | Searching for internet connection for notebook |
| 12:08.39 | somiaj | tapout: do you have to open them all at once? Could you use something like xargs to open them one at a time? |
| 12:09.38 | somiaj | or maybe a loop in a bash script |
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| 12:10.29 | somiaj | hmm google seems to suggest to make sure you close your files after you open them |
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| 12:17.57 | tapout | i see what's wrong |
| 12:18.02 | tapout | is my hard limit is being hit |
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| 12:18.15 | tapout | ulimit -Hn shows .. 1024, but i tried setting it up to 4096... |
| 12:18.16 | tapout | won't take effect :( |
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| 12:29.24 | ompaul | jakenl: replace the question with why is your link so slow atm |
| 12:29.33 | ompaul | p.d.o is fine |
| 12:31.22 | RBMW-CVT | !kubuntu |
| 12:31.22 | dpkg | it has been said that kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 12:33.42 | RBMW-CVT | !edubuntu |
| 12:33.43 | dpkg | Edubuntu (aka Ubuntu Education Edition) was a standalone <Ubuntu> derivative, now an Ubuntu add-on. http://www.edubuntu.org/ #edubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 12:34.23 | RBMW-CVT | !fedora |
| 12:34.23 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net. http://fedoraproject.org/ |
| 12:35.01 | RBMW-CVT | !solaris |
| 12:35.02 | dpkg | from memory, solaris is a Unix operating system developed by Sun (now owned by Oracle). Bits of it are free and bits are not with the OpenSolaris experiment being rather frought. |
| 12:35.28 | RBMW-CVT | Oo |
| 12:36.06 | RBMW-CVT | Base of knowledge |
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| 12:39.19 | korhojoa | RBMW-CVT: | /msg bots NOT people | |
| 12:40.05 | EmleyMoor | RBMW-CVT: If you want to ask dpkg lots of factoids, it's best to /msg, to avoid flooding the channel |
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| 12:41.44 | RBMW-CVT | Ok, but it really can up the activity of channel;-) |
| 12:41.52 | EmleyMoor | is still waiting for an Italian using the nickname "her" to come along |
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| 12:50.33 | mallxs | is there a tool acts like a combination of tail -f and less ? so i can search in the tail -f ? |
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| 12:51.36 | ansgar | mallxs: less can do something similar to tail -f on its own. |
| 12:51.41 | AimHere | Doesn't 'tail -f <foo> | less' work? |
| 12:52.14 | mallxs | will try thx |
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| 12:59.21 | olivia_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.22 | mallxs | http://linuxcommando.blogspot.nl/2007/11/log-watching-using-tail-or-less.html less +F <foo> works nice ... thx for the tip |
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| 13:02.05 | mallxs | olivia_: does it needs to be mounted run the correct dd command ? |
| 13:02.09 | shingouz | olivia_: check dmesg for the presence of /dev/sdb. if it is there after you plug in your card, the most probable reason for you "not to see it" is that it has nothing mount can see. check the partition table and formatting of the partition |
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| 13:03.12 | shingouz | mallxs: olivia_: if you are dd'ing onto the device itself like when dumping a disk image on it, the device must *not* be mounted |
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| 13:04.14 | olivia_ | shingouz i can;t mount it or see it |
| 13:04.28 | olivia_ | mallxs I can't run dd on it any more |
| 13:05.05 | olivia_ | shingouz i can't see it using df or dmesg (unless I'm missing it?) |
| 13:05.24 | shingouz | olivia_: dmesg | grep sdb |
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| 13:06.18 | olivia_ | shingouz dmesg | grep sdb |
| 13:06.18 | olivia_ | [ 2003.424375] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 13:06.18 | olivia_ | [ 4722.692220] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 13:06.18 | olivia_ | [ 7808.641083] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 13:06.18 | olivia_ | [ 8726.988347] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 13:06.36 | shingouz | sighs |
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| 13:09.31 | olivia_ | shingouz what did the last thing you say mean? |
| 13:10.02 | shingouz | olivia_: dpkg tells you about paste and messaging. read what he just told you |
| 13:10.03 | Towzzer | one annoying thing is when a drive fails on a MD device it's very hard to determine which SATA port it's on |
| 13:10.06 | Towzzer | because of the mappings |
| 13:11.34 | olivia_ | shingouz I have never been on IRC for help before, ok, thanks, sorry for being a newbie |
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| 13:12.12 | shingouz | olivia_: no problem, we all had to learn a few new things when we first showed up on irc |
| 13:12.41 | olivia_ | shingouz so what do the "Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled" mean w.r.t. what we need to do? |
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| 13:14.00 | shingouz | olivia_: not sure but it sounds like your system is not sure if the card is in write enable mode. check if the physical switch is in the corrrect setting. you also have to be root to be able to dd anything directly to a device |
| 13:14.19 | olivia_ | shingouz i was root when I did the damage with dd |
| 13:14.30 | olivia_ | shingouz what physical switch? |
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| 13:15.31 | shingouz | olivia_: sd cards many times have this tiny slider on the long edge. if that is in the wrong position you just cannot write on the thing |
| 13:16.07 | olivia_ | shingouz it's a micro in a usb adapter or i can change it to a sd adapter and put in the netbook's card reader |
| 13:17.05 | shingouz | try that and see if it works |
| 13:18.34 | olivia_ | shingouz what would you like me to try specifically? I just tried micro in usb adapter same dmesg, micro in card adapter switch in position one, and in position two, all three same dmseg |
| 13:18.40 | shingouz | olivia_: try that and check dmesg what device it is when you plug it in. check your partiotioning with something like cfdisk, i am guessing the card contains something strange |
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| 13:19.21 | olivia_ | shingouz the card contains whatever damage this command did: dd bs=1M if=2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb |
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| 13:19.58 | iwkse | hi, can you advice a TODO software that allows to create tasks according to separate projects/works? |
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| 13:20.38 | shingouz | olivia_: you can fill up the device with a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb. that zeroes the card to a fresh unpartitioned card |
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| 13:21.10 | shingouz | smells food. i think it will taste like chicken |
| 13:21.17 | olivia_ | shingouz I don't know how I can tell where the switch should be though, i will try the zeroes both switch positions and then in the usb card reader? |
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| 13:22.03 | shingouz | olivia_: sure. the switch has a label (usually) but as it is too small to actually read with human eyes, try a magnifier? :) |
| 13:22.04 | olivia_ | shingouz no medium found |
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| 13:22.50 | olivia_ | shingouz no medium found i mean in both switch positions |
| 13:23.15 | shingouz | olivia_: but dmesg shows it? |
| 13:23.56 | olivia_ | shingouz dmesg shows what i showed you even with nothing plugged in |
| 13:26.08 | shingouz | olivia_: if you can find the device in dmesg, do the "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever_the_correct_device_is" and you should have a "fresh" card again. if it does not work, i am beginning to guess there might be something physically wrong with the card; they are not immortal, you know |
| 13:26.27 | olivia_ | shingouz i cannot find the card |
| 13:26.54 | olivia_ | shingouz itobe honest i do not know i am to be looking for, there doesn't seem to be a card listed but I'm not an expert |
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| 13:29.08 | shingouz | olivia_: msg dpkg paste |
| 13:29.23 | olivia_ | shingouz I don't understand |
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| 13:29.57 | olivia_ | shingouz past dump dpkg how does it know to send it to you? |
| 13:30.02 | olivia_ | *paste |
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| 13:30.23 | shingouz | olivia_: read what dpkg just told you. when you see the url of yoru paste, paste the url in the channel |
| 13:31.00 | shingouz | ill go get some food now or my wife is going to cat me to /dev/null never to be seen again ;) |
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| 13:32.19 | netchip | how can I fetch on my x86 PC, an ARMHF package + those dependencies? I hate manually downlaoding packages and all dependencies... |
| 13:32.49 | olivia_ | shingouz ok thanks |
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| 13:39.45 | olivia_ | shingouz too much text over 64 kb limit so i saved it as a file on my dropbox - hope that's ok http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4628444/dmesg_output.txt |
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| 14:01.19 | Sysaxed | I'm trying to install experimental version of thunar, I've added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main" and ran apt-get update, but when doing "apt-get -t experimental install thunar" it says that thunar is already the newest version. I've checked in "apt-cache policy thunar" that experimental version is listed there, but it refuses to install it. Why? |
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| 14:01.46 | under | Hi I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/221935/ |
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| 14:06.51 | wols | under: libssl-dev installed? |
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| 14:07.18 | nkuttler | under: what are you building anyway? |
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| 14:07.55 | under | Installed libglobus-openssl-dev and I solved |
| 14:08.34 | Sysaxed | I've tried installing thunar/experimental but it gave me dependency errors |
| 14:08.40 | under | Installing this: http://code.google.com/p/rutorrent/wiki/MainInstall#rTorrent_install :) |
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| 14:09.13 | abrotman | Sysaxed: pastebin would be helpful |
| 14:10.10 | nkuttler | under: what's wrong with the packaged rtorrent? |
| 14:10.12 | Ayct | !ubuntu |
| 14:10.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 14:11.14 | Sysaxed | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/jSXFPEfH here you go |
| 14:11.17 | dsdeiz | hi all im trying to compile vim but getting this http://pastebin.com/WA6aM4nV tho i've got libcairo2-dev, not sure what im missing |
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| 14:12.23 | nkuttler | dsdeiz: apt-get build-dep vim ? |
| 14:13.15 | dsdeiz | yeah already did that before hand |
| 14:14.26 | Sysaxed | abrotman, could it be that in crunchbang these packages are fixed to some version? |
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| 14:18.22 | Sysaxed | abrotman, and what are these 1, 1001 and 500 numbers? Is this some kind of a priority? |
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| 14:20.48 | abrotman | Sysaxed: oddly enough, this is #debian, we support Debian here, not crunchbang. Please use #crunchbang for your questions. Thank you |
| 14:21.45 | Sysaxed | ok, just thought that it's general debian question.. |
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| 14:22.00 | abrotman | Sysaxed: would you ask #rhel about your SuSE problems? |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | Sysaxed: anyway, good luck |
| 14:22.31 | Sysaxed | thanks |
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| 14:28.43 | Sysaxed | abrotman, the problem was in apt pinning :) fixed it myself |
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| 14:29.49 | abrotman | good for you |
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| 15:08.34 | anisfarhana | If i need to define SSL support , what path should i put inside the file? |
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| 15:08.57 | anisfarhana | usr/local/ssl ? |
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| 15:11.19 | ilss | my video driver does not work on debian squeeze, does anyone have any tips? Intel Graphics 3000, in a notebook. The resolution is set in 1024, no options for replacement, thanks |
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| 15:12.17 | anisfarhana | Kindly please ignore my question, found it :) |
| 15:12.36 | Towzzer | how about using wheezy |
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| 15:14.31 | abrotman | ilss: you can either use the Xorg from backports.debian.org, or dist-upgrade to wheezy |
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| 15:21.09 | lorex69 | ciao |
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| 15:21.38 | lombardo | ciao bella benissimo |
| 15:21.56 | lombardo | lol this place is full of italiens.. another one just joined |
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| 15:22.13 | lombardo | simone, hi honey |
| 15:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | waits for a !list, then |
| 15:22.47 | ilss | abrotman, and if I install a new driver, I found these instructions now and http://intellinuxgraphics.org/vaapi.html and http://cgit.freedesktop.org/vaapi/intel-driver/ |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | ilss: that's not what i said ... |
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| 15:24.18 | AndreaNicolo | hi guys |
| 15:24.46 | AndreaNicolo | I have some trouble with the proftpd permission |
| 15:25.16 | AndreaNicolo | If I try to connect my new user for the www folder I cannot upload my files |
| 15:25.21 | abrotman | ilss: that's not the correct way to do that |
| 15:25.36 | AndreaNicolo | I am using the Filezilla to connect me with the server |
| 15:25.42 | AndreaNicolo | any help? |
| 15:26.06 | abrotman | AndreaNicolo: which OS is hte server? |
| 15:26.17 | AndreaNicolo | debian |
| 15:26.22 | lombardo | hwo can i close down gnome and gdm from console to install X servers? i mean do i just do a kill -9? |
| 15:26.35 | AndreaNicolo | The user who run the proftpd is proftp |
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| 15:27.18 | AndreaNicolo | the group is nobody |
| 15:27.32 | AndreaNicolo | abrotman any idea? |
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| 15:27.50 | Arrowmaster | sound like permission problem |
| 15:27.58 | AndreaNicolo | yes I agree |
| 15:28.02 | Arrowmaster | the ftp server cannot write to the www folder |
| 15:28.08 | AndreaNicolo | yes |
| 15:28.20 | AndreaNicolo | it doesn't write in the www folder |
| 15:29.06 | AndreaNicolo | the www folder permissions are 755 |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | AndreaNicolo: you really don't want to use FTP |
| 15:29.18 | AndreaNicolo | ??? |
| 15:29.25 | abrotman | !tell AndreaNicolo about ftp must die |
| 15:29.28 | abrotman | !tell AndreaNicolo about scp |
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| 15:29.40 | Towzzer | AndreaNicolo, who are the users and group on the directory |
| 15:29.41 | abrotman | filezilla understands scp or sftp |
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| 15:29.53 | AndreaNicolo | yes I can use a sftp connection |
| 15:30.02 | AndreaNicolo | but I have to solve this first issue |
| 15:30.06 | abrotman | AndreaNicolo: ftp is horribly insecure, and allowing people to upload directly to your httpd root is a bad idea |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | AndreaNicolo: so allow your ftp user to write to the www |
| 15:30.18 | AndreaNicolo | ok |
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| 15:30.39 | AndreaNicolo | so allow what? |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | !tell AndreaNicolo about permissions |
| 15:30.50 | Towzzer | andrea- user and group of that directory |
| 15:31.02 | AndreaNicolo | my new user must be in the ftp group? |
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| 15:31.46 | abrotman | this is going to end badly |
| 15:31.52 | ilss | abrotman, I'll do some research .. thanks |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | ilss: i already told you what to do to fix it |
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| 15:32.16 | AndreaNicolo | or have I to set the group of my user as the proftpd group? |
| 15:32.21 | AndreaNicolo | any suggestion? |
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| 15:33.56 | AndreaNicolo | ... |
| 15:34.51 | AndreaNicolo | any idea? |
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| 15:36.49 | Towzzer | try |
| 15:36.55 | Towzzer | usermod -g nobody proftpd |
| 15:37.17 | Towzzer | assuming proftpd is the username of the ftp service and nobody is what apache is using |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | so full of fail |
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| 15:38.53 | Towzzer | then maybe we'll make some permissions modifications |
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| 15:41.55 | cabana_ | m4ggus: hi! :D |
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| 15:51.01 | shmt|afk | heya, I'm trying to block all websites except a select few from hosts.deny and hosts.allow ; Currently, I have "ALL:ALL" without "'s in .deny and ALL: .google.com in hosts.allow, but I can load all sites; What I'm doing wrong? |
| 15:53.24 | Arrowmaster | shmt: those files are for blocking access TO your computer, not FROM your computer |
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| 15:55.57 | shmt | Arrowmaster: I see. IPtables then? |
| 15:56.30 | shmt | (or any way to block everything EXCEPT sth in /etc/hosts?) |
| 15:56.44 | ectospasm | shmt: you'll probably want to set up a proxy that restricts access to just whitelisted sites. |
| 15:56.56 | ectospasm | shmt: disable resolv.conf |
| 15:57.00 | shmt | ectospasm: on my own computer? |
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| 15:57.26 | shmt | I'll look into resolv.conf |
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| 15:57.43 | ectospasm | ...if you list it in /etc/hosts, and don't have a valid DNS server in resolv.conf, it will achieve what you want. |
| 15:58.41 | enyawix | what version of has a 3.2 kernel ? |
| 15:58.58 | ksuhku | blocking ANYTHING BUT google is cruel and unusual, btw |
| 15:59.06 | enyawix | the debian ssd documents has many holes |
| 15:59.17 | shmt | That makes sense, thanks. Only thing, I see "#generated by network manager" in resolv.conf, will it be overwritten every time? |
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| 16:00.10 | shmt | ksuhku: I know, was just testing if it works :P The real thing will have a bit more logic |
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| 16:02.40 | shmt | I'll stick with http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=885650 for now; thanks for the advice everyone |
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| 16:02.57 | oo_miguel | Are my sata-2 connecotrs run wit max 133mb/s ? : I am an absolute noob to hardware and how linux handles it, but this is what dmesg says: http://pastebin.com/fuqaPyfy . Am I understanding this correctly? And what can I do about this issue? |
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| 16:06.48 | Bingo600 | Gday folks , i have a ubyntu 8.04 homeserver with Luks-encrypted disks,sendmail,apache,samba,nfs and some scripting. I'm tired of the lousy upgradepath aka. buggy scripts in Ubuntu , and was looking for a "rolling release". Stability is an issue. But it's my only 24/7 machine and i'd like to be able to use CALDAV, and other "newer things" , preferably prebuild packages. |
| 16:07.32 | wols | there is no debian rolling release |
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| 16:07.56 | jez_ | hi |
| 16:08.12 | jez_ | I've lost my FS on my partition |
| 16:08.14 | Bingo600 | @wols not even unstable ? |
| 16:08.20 | jez_ | How can I recover it ? |
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| 16:08.38 | jez_ | My partition is bigger than my FS, so FS should be safe |
| 16:08.47 | wols | Bingo600: unstable is no "release". and you wrote something about "stability is an issue" |
| 16:08.54 | jez_ | I would like to extend it to my partition |
| 16:09.03 | wols | jez_: lost how? |
| 16:09.12 | jez_ | but, fs tools does not recognize my FS :/ |
| 16:09.23 | Bingo600 | @wols - I know , and i wouldn't even consider unstable |
| 16:09.37 | Bingo600 | I have considered Mint LMDE (Testing based) |
| 16:09.42 | jez_ | lost like my recovery system can't identify my FS type (etx3) |
| 16:10.02 | jez_ | (but I disabled journaling, so it should be recognized as ext2 FS) |
| 16:10.08 | jez_ | Any idea ? |
| 16:10.22 | acu | I am trying to make some tools work in one of the installed applications. The tool requires 'cat' and 'sort'. How can I make sure that these utilities are installed in debian? |
| 16:10.32 | jez_ | No lvm, only one partition/FS |
| 16:11.07 | wols | Bingo600: we only support debian. we don't do "what distro should I run". Debian technical support ONLY |
| 16:11.13 | engla | acu: they are always installed |
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| 16:11.31 | oo_miguel | Are my sata-2 connecotrs run wit max 133mb/s ? : I am an absolute noob to hardware and how linux handles it, but this is what dmesg says: http://pastebin.com/fuqaPyfy . Am I understanding this correctly? And what can I do about this issue? |
| 16:11.35 | wols | acu: check for the binaries if they exist? |
| 16:11.46 | jez_ | root@rescue:/mnt# file -s /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: data |
| 16:11.49 | wols | oo_miguel: what harddisk do you have? |
| 16:11.54 | jez_ | sounds bad, no ? |
| 16:11.58 | Bingo600 | @wols ok .... I'll rephrase - Is testing considered stable enough for server use |
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| 16:12.06 | oo_miguel | wols: samsung 830 ssd |
| 16:12.09 | wols | !testing |
| 16:12.09 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 16:12.10 | acu | engla, thanks, I thought so. |
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| 16:12.17 | wols | oo_miguel: run hdparm on it and you will see |
| 16:12.28 | acu | wols, which binaries are you referring to? |
| 16:12.42 | oo_miguel | wols: have you looked at the dmesg in pastebin? |
| 16:13.00 | wols | oo_miguel: yes |
| 16:13.08 | wols | acu: the ones your script needs |
| 16:13.20 | oo_miguel | does it not claim that alll 6 sata connectors are run with a max of 133mb./s? |
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| 16:13.37 | oo_miguel | wols: Or am i misunderstanding it? |
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| 16:14.04 | wols | oo_miguel: can you do what I asked you? |
| 16:14.47 | oo_miguel | wols: hdparm -I /dev/sda right? |
| 16:14.53 | wols | not right |
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| 16:15.36 | oo_miguel | wols: testing read and write gives me just about 120mb/s , thats why I started to find out the reason of this |
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| 16:16.25 | wols | for writing, this is pretty normal |
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| 16:17.28 | AndreaNicolo | any help? |
| 16:17.49 | oo_miguel | wols: according to the specifications and test run by others this should be around 400 mb/s however of course sata-2 would further limit it in my case |
| 16:17.49 | ksuhku | !ask |
| 16:17.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:18.03 | dvs | ksuhku: look in your history |
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| 16:18.26 | ksuhku | dvs, nothing there |
| 16:18.37 | abrotman | !tell ksuhku about bottell |
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| 16:19.16 | dvs | ksuhku: heh. just before you got here. ;-) |
| 16:19.22 | ksuhku | :) |
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| 16:19.59 | ksuhku | abrotman, will do next time |
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| 16:20.19 | wols | caravel: with sata2 you get approx 250MB/s max. are you using AHCI? |
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| 16:20.39 | caravel | hello o/ |
| 16:20.43 | caravel | wols: ? |
| 16:20.49 | caravel | :) |
| 16:20.53 | oo_miguel | wols: My board does not support ahci im afraid |
| 16:21.27 | wols | oo_miguel: which will further cut your speeds.and the nvidia ATA chips never were very good |
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| 16:22.57 | oo_miguel | wols: so i get 120mb/.s instead of the specified 3Gb/s ? |
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| 16:31.56 | jez_ | ho well, how can I get help about my FileSystem ? :/ |
| 16:32.12 | jez_ | I'm trying different solution without success |
| 16:32.41 | jez_ | testdisk can find all my files, but it doesnot seem to be able to repair de FS |
| 16:32.58 | enyawix | oo_miguel: you are NOT going to get specified 3Gb/s from ATA with any controller |
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| 16:33.35 | ectospasm | hmmm... I'm using XMonad with XFCE4... prior to the last reboot I could mute all sounds with my Mute multimedia key on my keyboard, and subsequently unmute them with no issues. Now, I can mute all sounds with Mute, but when I press Mute again to unmute them, I hear no sound. I have to go into alsamixer and hit 'm' to unmute the pulseaudio device (hitting the Mute multimedia key does cause alsamixer to raise |
| 16:33.37 | ectospasm | and lower [but not reduce to zero] the pulse volume) |
| 16:33.49 | ectospasm | I'm too tired to think of why this is failing |
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| 16:34.11 | oo_miguel | enyawix: of course not but for some reason I get around 30% of it, is this usual? |
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| 16:35.01 | nvz_ | ectospasm: its pulse audio, it always fails in inexplicable ways at random times :-P |
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| 16:35.07 | enyawix | oo_miguel: that is in the common range |
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| 16:35.18 | ectospasm | nvz: not a satisfactory answer |
| 16:36.07 | oo_miguel | enyawix: I think there is something going very wrong here: http://pastebin.com/fuqaPyfy |
| 16:36.20 | enyawix | oo_miguel: even the scsi raid was not 3Gb/s; sould like you want SSD drive |
| 16:36.33 | nvz | ectospasm: sure it is, just not a solution. I think your sleepiness is making you too confused to realize this has nothing to do with the mixer if its behaving as it should, its all pulse audio |
| 16:36.42 | oo_miguel | enyawix: i have a ssd drive, which should give me round 500mb/s |
| 16:36.43 | ksuhku | lol |
| 16:36.44 | nvz | which means killing pulseaudio would solve the problem |
| 16:37.10 | oo_miguel | enyawix: this is why I am trying to find the bottleneck |
| 16:37.33 | ectospasm | nvz: actually, I think it's the default multimedia key not doing what I expect. If I could figure out a shell command that would toggle the mixer, I'd be good. |
| 16:37.45 | abrotman | ectospasm: that mute key mutes the alsa mixer, or the pulse, or both? |
| 16:37.48 | oo_miguel | enyawix: and I assume it is my sata controller and its corresponding module |
| 16:37.49 | enyawix | oo_miguel: what file system |
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| 16:37.57 | nvz | ectospasm: I used to use aumix for that, it was rather handy for being scripted |
| 16:38.00 | ectospasm | abrotman: both |
| 16:38.01 | oo_miguel | enyawix: ext3 |
| 16:38.15 | ectospasm | well, not pulse |
| 16:38.18 | abrotman | ectospasm: but hitting it again, does not unmute both ? |
| 16:38.24 | enyawix | oo_miguel: what mount options? |
| 16:38.40 | oo_miguel | enyawix: none ;) |
| 16:38.48 | oo_miguel | enyawix: just: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 16:39.11 | oo_miguel | enyawix: but what does this dmesg stuff mean? is this not limiting my sata to 133 for some reason? |
| 16:39.15 | oo_miguel | or am i misinterpretin it? |
| 16:39.39 | oo_miguel | the one I posted just before in pastebin |
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| 16:40.08 | enyawix | oo_miguel: did you adjust cluster size when you formatted the drive? I do not know if ext3 has ssd support |
| 16:40.36 | oo_miguel | enyawix: no did not to anything like this at all |
| 16:40.39 | ectospasm | abrotman: it appears to mix both... actually it mutes (MM) the Master pulse channel in alsamixer, and reduces (but not to zero) the volume in pavucontrol |
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| 16:41.15 | oo_miguel | enyawix: maybe this is the problem.. so the ata1 lines in the dmesg have nothing to do with the speed limit? |
| 16:41.16 | enyawix | oo_miguel: that looks like the standard stuff you get when module loads |
| 16:41.23 | oo_miguel | ok |
| 16:41.36 | ectospasm | when I hit the Mute multimedia key it leaves the Master channel muted (MM), and just toggles between two volume levels, high and low |
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| 16:41.57 | abrotman | ectospasm: been through the changelog ? |
| 16:42.03 | enyawix | oo_miguel: do you have a data sheet for the ssd? |
| 16:42.11 | ectospasm | abrotman: not yet |
| 16:42.18 | oo_miguel | enyawix: yes |
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| 16:42.34 | ectospasm | ...I don't know if pulse or alsautils have been updated |
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| 16:42.49 | enyawix | o_miguel: can you past bin the stats |
| 16:43.04 | oo_miguel | http://www.chip.de/preisvergleich/182369/Datenblatt-Samsung-830-Series-SSD-256GB-MZ-7PC256D-EU.html |
| 16:44.00 | enyawix | reading |
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| 16:45.09 | oo_miguel | enyawix: I am afraid most of the information is useless .. |
| 16:46.15 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:46.17 | oo_miguel | what is of particular interest? 80k iops read, 36k iops write, >400mb/s read/write... |
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| 16:46.55 | enyawix | oo_miguel: your speeds are about 80%+ of advertised |
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| 16:47.21 | oo_miguel | no way |
| 16:47.22 | oo_miguel | wait |
| 16:47.32 | ectospasm | abrotman, nvz: found what I'm looking for: amixer sset Master toggle |
| 16:47.55 | abrotman | ectospasm: so, pulse works just fine eh? :) |
| 16:48.00 | oo_miguel | enyawix: advertised speed is around 400megabyte per second, right? |
| 16:48.09 | ectospasm | abrotman: it always did |
| 16:48.14 | abrotman | i know .. |
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| 16:48.34 | enyawix | oo_miguel: yes |
| 16:48.53 | oo_miguel | enyawix: I get 120mb.s |
| 16:48.56 | oo_miguel | at max |
| 16:49.28 | enyawix | oo_miguel: read speed? |
| 16:49.32 | oo_miguel | both |
| 16:49.37 | oo_miguel | around 120 |
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| 16:49.41 | oo_miguel | MB.s |
| 16:49.46 | oo_miguel | MB/s |
| 16:49.50 | oo_miguel | read and write |
| 16:51.48 | WorkGroup | Speak anyone german here and could me help with mounting? |
| 16:52.02 | oo_miguel | enyawix: I get this too: http://pastebin.com/ZZbzeP2Z maybe should have pasted it before, sorry |
| 16:52.07 | jelly-home | !de |
| 16:52.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:52.56 | enyawix | oo_miguel: ok i just got a SSD still in the box I will post what i get after install my computer is very old so the controller should suck |
| 16:52.59 | oo_miguel | enyawix: but something seems to limit the sata connection to 1.5Gb/s (sata-1!) in the first place, and even to udma133 which is even less after that |
| 16:53.20 | WorkGroup | Thank you.. jelly-home I'm There but no person anserd me |
| 16:53.45 | oo_miguel | enyawix: maybe my controller just sucks too |
| 16:53.53 | sney | WorkGroup, try that channel on one of the other networks then |
| 16:54.01 | frostschutz | oo_miguel: it certainly does, if it doesn't support ahci. old box? |
| 16:54.02 | oo_miguel | enyawix: good luck with your ssd |
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| 16:54.49 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: my board is: Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus , and it claims to have sata-2. |
| 16:55.06 | oo_miguel | So i expected speeds around 300mb/s and not 100mb/s with my new ssd |
| 16:55.25 | oo_miguel | however to answer your original question, it is not the newest one.. ;) |
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| 16:57.27 | enyawix | oo_miguel: Intel 82801GR/GH and Intel 520 ssd 120gb |
| 16:57.47 | enyawix | sata 2 i think |
| 16:58.20 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/221978/ this is the .asoundrc I made to get it to send audio to the TV via hdmi and it works for all but gstreamer (rhythmbox, totem, etc..) any idea how to get sound with gstreamer as well? |
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| 17:08.02 | nvz | apparently gstreamer pulls settings from gconf or something and ignores .asoundrc |
| 17:08.14 | nvz | all the more reason gstreamer is a steaming pile of dung |
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| 17:11.40 | enyawix | oo_miguel: not going to install this thing has sata1 only shopping for controller |
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| 17:15.23 | oo_miguel | I think i will need to get a controller too |
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| 17:26.46 | zykotick9 | oo_miguel: my ssd has 2 paritions, i started copying a vm from one to the other. was getting around 150M/s. are you sure your 300 is resonable expectation? [sata2 only here] |
| 17:26.51 | jelly-home | oo_miguel: also, asking in multiple channels at the same time -- not nice |
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| 17:31.39 | oo_miguel | zykotick9: other people get this with the same ssd, however with another chipset and mainboard.. |
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| 17:35.33 | samael | hello |
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| 17:36.01 | companion | for some reason my debian web server is not generating capicha codes... is there a library I should install? |
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| 17:38.02 | enyawix | zykotick9: we need a linux hardware review to get a base line of what performance we "should" be getting |
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| 17:45.50 | bartos01 | hi |
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| 17:46.47 | bartos01 | should i make my home server squeeze or wheezy |
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| 17:46.57 | nkuttler | bartos01: squeeze |
| 17:47.22 | bartos01 | ok was maybe thinking since wheezy will be out soon |
| 17:48.29 | abrotman | bartos01: FSVO soon |
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| 17:51.58 | bmomjian | I have a filesystem that is NFS-exported to clients that is 6 months from the last fsck and needs to be checked; how do I unmount it while keeping the server up; umount -f returns device busy; I have already tried restarting nfs-common. |
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| 17:54.30 | bmomjian | never mind, seems umount -l works; I never guessed 'lazy' was better than 'force' |
| 17:54.38 | Polly | does anyone here have any experience with Synergy on Debian? I downloaded and installed it but when i run the application nothing happens |
| 17:54.50 | samael | just installed xrdp on squeeze, works fine out of the box but i want to share the existing display (:0) instead of :1. can't find much on TFM, any hint? |
| 17:55.17 | bmomjian | oops, didn't work, fsck is saying the device is opened |
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| 17:55.43 | nimred | Hello. Is there something wrong with this partition tabel: http://pastebin.com/AG1epfpF ? |
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| 17:56.45 | abrotman | Polly: what did you think would happen ? |
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| 17:57.11 | Polly | well i thought some gui or osmething would come up, allowing me to config it, like on windows |
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| 17:58.38 | bmomjian | seems exportfs -u worked. odd |
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| 17:59.44 | ksuhku | Polly, you might want to check out package quicksynergy |
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| 18:00.54 | Polly | well, that worked better, thanks! |
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| 18:09.06 | nimred | Can someone have a look at this partition table (http://pastebin.com/AG1epfpF) and tell me if something is wrong? |
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| 18:18.30 | guest52848 | how to know whats the sender, or from where is the log in /var/log/mail.log ? |
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| 18:20.24 | abrotman | guest52848: the to and from ? |
| 18:21.35 | guest52848 | abrotman: no, more information than it... like which script, or user... there is no real user in from messages |
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| 18:21.51 | guest52848 | I think it's a vulnerability on some php scripts senders |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | how would it know? |
| 18:21.59 | guest52848 | in some website here |
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| 18:23.41 | guest52848 | how to find the way the mail was sent? |
| 18:24.20 | zxcvbn | what mail server do you use? depends on log settings |
| 18:24.32 | guest52848 | sendmail friend |
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| 18:26.22 | guest52848 | zxcvbn, abrotman, some advice? |
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| 18:29.51 | zxcvbn | no ideas yet. never used sendmail |
| 18:30.14 | guest52848 | and about u abrotman |
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| 18:30.51 | zxcvbn | but if you dont have any info right now in /var/log/mail.log (sometimes /var/log/maillog), theres no way to get it from nothing |
| 18:31.28 | zxcvbn | aaand script or user information cannot be included there anyway |
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| 18:31.40 | abailarri | I tried creating a server on my computer with proftp ftp but I can not enter from an external computer. Does anyone know if I have to configure something? |
| 18:32.34 | zxcvbn | php engine runs "sendmail" command as web-server user (like "apache") or php user, thats all. all you can do - includeyour own php code for debugging for every php mail procedure |
| 18:34.06 | zxcvbn | abailarri: have a look into "netstat -ltp" command at your ftp server machine. is ftp server there? (should listen at tcp port 21) |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | guest52848: what about me? |
| 18:35.57 | abailarri | zxcvbn, tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN - |
| 18:35.59 | guest52848 | zxcvbn: I agree but I thought should be other way to know more |
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| 18:37.18 | zxcvbn | abailarri: then problem is on other side, or maybe firewall. can you get to ftp console by running "telnet ftp_server_ip 21" from external computer? |
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| 18:38.45 | abailarri | zxcvbn, I have no external computer from where do a telnet. And I don't have a firewall. It may be the router? |
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| 18:39.39 | addaitech | yeah check your router |
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| 18:40.40 | guest52848 | zxcvbn: I was right... it was vulnerability on php script |
| 18:40.55 | abailarri | II have opened the port 7889, so putting ftp://myip:7889 should work, no? |
| 18:42.02 | zxcvbn | abailarri: hmm. you should do a port forwarding on router, ext_ip:7889 -> int_ip:7889, and have ftp server working on port 7889 |
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| 18:42.41 | jelly-home | ftp is a complex, silly protocol, abailarri. You will also need connection tracking for ftp, and opening traffic for, in iptables lingo, related and established traffic |
| 18:42.54 | abailarri | From where I can configure the FTP server port? using proftpd |
| 18:43.14 | Polly | okay, im still having trouble with synergy. my windows host says: client 'debian' has connected, but i stll cant share my mouse. |
| 18:44.04 | zxcvbn | from proftpd config file :) |
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| 18:49.23 | zykotick9 | abailarri: ftp is a port nightmare. ftpmustdie |
| 18:50.45 | abailarri | zykotick9, I need to share some files with a friend. What alternatives do I have? |
| 18:51.46 | abailarri | zxcvbn, I have opened the ports on the router, I changed the proftpd port, and even so still can not access. |
| 18:51.50 | zykotick9 | abailarri: nothing "drop in" that's as easy/cross-platform. use ftp. scp/webdav are two alternatives. |
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| 18:52.56 | zxcvbn | abailarri: best way of locating the problem will be manual telnet checking of accessible port. so better find a telnet client somewhere |
| 18:53.14 | zxcvbn | p.s. dont forget to restart ftp server after changing config file |
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| 18:53.21 | abailarri | o yeah |
| 18:54.01 | zykotick9 | abailarri: ftp requires 2 low level ports, and numberous higher ports open to work... if i recall correctly (haven't used ftp in a long time) |
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| 18:55.43 | Towzzer | the default is 20 and 21 |
| 18:55.53 | Towzzer | if you are behind a firewall you also need to set a pasv port range |
| 18:56.29 | abrotman | just don't use ftp .. jeez |
| 18:56.43 | zykotick9 | repeats ftp is a port nightmware. see "/msg dpkg ftpmustdie" for details ;) |
| 18:56.56 | ectospasm | zxcvbn: don't forget netcat/nc instead of telnet, it can be more useful |
| 18:57.55 | companion | any one knows the package for ReCAPTCHA (From google) to display on a PHP Webserver? |
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| 19:01.08 | companion | hello? |
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| 19:01.41 | Polly | companion: i dont know what package you are referring to, recpatcha is just a small html snippet |
| 19:01.53 | companion | Polly, hrm then why isnt it working : / |
| 19:02.02 | companion | thanks tho Polly :) |
| 19:02.18 | companion | recaptcha is showing but the text within the box does not show up :s |
| 19:02.37 | Polly | check the code again, make sure your closing your ?> tags |
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| 19:02.52 | Polly | ive only tried it once and that was a few years ago, but i got it to work no trouble |
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| 19:04.18 | companion | Polly, the code is correct as far I can see it :s |
| 19:04.24 | abailarri | zxcvbn, After restarting proftpd and to access to FTP address into my browser, it stays a long time and asked me for a username and password. I suppose will work, but load times are infinite! |
| 19:05.47 | companion | Polly, could it be because the domain name is not active yet? |
| 19:05.52 | ilss | the dist-upgrade returns an error: it is not possible to make immediate configuration on 'default-jre' |
| 19:06.45 | jhutchins_wk | companion: Probably not, are you using a hosts file entry to access it? |
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| 19:07.15 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if there is a phptidy program that will validate syntax on php files... |
| 19:07.21 | companion | jhutchins_wk, on my local machine or external webserver? |
| 19:07.41 | companion | jhutchins_wk, I edited my hosts file on Windows tbh :P |
| 19:08.14 | abrotman | ilss: pastebin would be helpful |
| 19:08.26 | jhutchins_wk | companion: Ok, that should be just as valid as a DNS entry. You may want to put the FQDN in the hosts file of the server if it's not on DNS yet, but it should already be in the hostname variable. |
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| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_wk | companion: You should be able to run the php code on the console and see what output it generates. |
| 19:10.28 | companion | jhutchins_wk, got an example how to do that? :o |
| 19:10.41 | ilss | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/iPnQ9hzM |
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| 19:12.01 | Polly | companion: i would try starting over and following the instructions here, https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/display very closesly |
| 19:12.16 | Polly | also, this is a debian channel, you might have more luck in an html or php channel |
| 19:13.02 | companion | Polly, that code is correct :P |
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| 19:13.44 | Polly | im not sure what to suggest then |
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| 19:14.43 | Polly | can anyone help me with Synergy?? my windows host says: client 'debian' has connected, but i stll cant share my mouse. |
| 19:16.59 | abrotman | ilss: and did you lok at the man page? |
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| 19:45.37 | _romel_ | hi guys! I am trying to get the lsi megaraid 9266 working on my server. I configured the virtual device through the controller's BIOS and booted the machine into debian amd64 live system but I can't see any disks :( |
| 19:46.07 | _romel_ | btw, the device is being recognized according to lspci's output |
| 19:46.27 | _romel_ | i tried to modprobe megaraid_sas with no luck |
| 19:47.54 | jalalsfs | When Gnome 3.6 be available for testing version? |
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| 19:49.03 | abrotman | jalalsfs: after wheezy releases |
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| 19:51.56 | tidux | wow, the lightdm package maintainer ought to be ashamed of themselves |
| 19:52.19 | tidux | instead of the "default X session" file for lightdm trying to execute x-session-manager or some other sane default |
| 19:52.28 | tidux | it's literally trying to find an executable named "default" |
| 19:52.31 | tidux | hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 19:52.39 | abrotman | so submit a patch |
| 19:52.51 | tidux | working on getting reportbug configured |
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| 19:52.54 | tidux | then it'll happen |
| 19:53.02 | abrotman | though, pretty sure it's already in the BTS |
| 19:54.05 | jalalsfs | abrotman, So it means testing version like a froze release? |
| 19:54.59 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:55.01 | tidux | yep, as is another one I've encountered |
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| 19:55.40 | tidux | given how glitchy lightdm is, how do you properly initialize crap like networkmanager permissions without a display manager? |
| 19:56.07 | tidux | if I run startxfce4 from my xinitrc, I get permissions problems where I can't edit any connections |
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| 19:56.44 | jelly-home | there was an extra manual consolekit step to be done in that case |
| 19:57.04 | jelly-home | does not remember what it was |
| 19:57.21 | jelly-home | I use kdm to boot my xfce |
| 19:57.41 | tidux | ah ok |
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| 19:59.30 | jalalsfs | abrotman, I mean because the wheezy has frozen, so they don't add new release of the big applications. |
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| 19:59.43 | sney | jalalsfs: yes, that's what frozen means |
| 20:00.06 | sney | bug fixes only |
| 20:00.28 | jalalsfs | sney, So how about sid? |
| 20:00.40 | tensorpudding | shouldn't the next debian release be occurring soon |
| 20:01.06 | abrotman | jalalsfs: correct |
| 20:01.22 | abrotman | jalalsfs: sid is "slushy", gnome3.6 won't be in sid until after wheezy's release |
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| 20:01.49 | jalalsfs | abrotman, Oh, thank you. |
| 20:02.05 | jalalsfs | sney, Thanks. |
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| 20:11.46 | ozzloy | i'm having trouble with my right alt. i use xmodmappings which works for a bit, but then sometimes i need to do it again. how do i make the right alt continue being a right alt? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1500595/ |
| 20:12.24 | ozzloy | (i went to ubuntu to get help with this and ended up helping other people) |
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| 20:12.48 | abrotman | ozzloy: you realize this is #debian, and we do not support Ubuntu here? |
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| 20:14.03 | ozzloy | i do. |
| 20:14.15 | jelly-home | you could try ##linux though |
| 20:14.28 | jelly-home | or #xorg |
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| 20:14.49 | ozzloy | i'm guessing making keyboard mappings stick is not specific to ubuntu |
| 20:15.01 | ozzloy | i'll try xorg |
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| 20:24.45 | xy | Hello, I am trying to configure the networking on a host which runs a virtual machine |
| 20:24.56 | xy | the virtual machine uses the bridge device br0 |
| 20:25.17 | xy | From the virtual machine, I can ping the host (which is set as gateway) |
| 20:25.30 | xy | from the host, the virtual machine and the rest of the internet is reachable |
| 20:25.44 | xy | How do I make the host route between the internet and the guest (bro) ? |
| 20:25.50 | xy | s/bro/br0/ |
| 20:26.20 | abrotman | that doesn't sound quite right .. normally you have the host setup a bridged interface, then the guest just uses a regular interface |
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| 20:29.34 | DeltaHeavy | What's the package name to install libre-office? |
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| 20:29.53 | abrotman | !tell DeltaHeavy about search |
| 20:31.13 | DeltaHeavy | abrotman: I already did that, still can't find it |
| 20:31.42 | DeltaHeavy | It looks like it should be 'libreoffice' but it's no in my apt-cache search |
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| 20:32.45 | ozzloy | apt-get update maybe? |
| 20:33.12 | abrotman | DeltaHeavy: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 20:33.19 | abrotman | squeeze doesn't have libreoffice, just openoffice |
| 20:33.57 | DeltaHeavy | Ok, thanks |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | DeltaHeavy: backports.debian.org has libreoffice, and instructions on how to install it |
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| 20:38.59 | pbxbrian | xingu: ping |
| 20:39.27 | DeltaHeavy | Does anybody by chance know off by hand the package name for open office? I don't care if I'm using libre or open office. Getting way to many search results to search though with 'apt-cache search open.*office' |
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| 20:39.35 | owen1 | looking for simple and open source provisioning tool? (chef/puppet etc). any ideas? |
| 20:40.23 | xingu | pbxbrian: pong |
| 20:40.53 | pbxbrian | xingu: Hey! I went to the data centre today. |
| 20:41.10 | xingu | pbxbrian: was it everything you ever dreamed it could be? :) |
| 20:41.19 | pbxbrian | xingu: Changed cables and the speed got worse in one direction and better in the other. reversed the cable and the speed stayed the same |
| 20:41.40 | pbxbrian | xingu: Changed back to the original cable and was getting 1Gbps briefly with very few errors. |
| 20:41.49 | pbxbrian | xingu: speed gets progressively worse each time you test. |
| 20:42.25 | xingu | pbxbrian: did you ever managed to turn tso/gso _off_ ? |
| 20:42.27 | pbxbrian | xingu: Swapped over to the onboard gig card (different types in each server) and was getting 1Gbps in both directions regardless of cable used. |
| 20:42.30 | ectospasm | DeltaHeavy: libreoffice works for me |
| 20:42.33 | pbxbrian | xingu: made no odds. |
| 20:42.39 | xingu | pbxbrian: fair enough |
| 20:42.48 | pbxbrian | xingu: in summary realtek chipset is crap |
| 20:42.52 | xingu | pbxbrian: :) |
| 20:43.07 | xingu | pbxbrian: well... I wouldn't go that far... but expensive in time-cost terms. |
| 20:43.11 | pbxbrian | xingu: couldn't get any type of consistent results. |
| 20:43.18 | owen1 | anyone using http://saltstack.org/ ? |
| 20:43.36 | pbxbrian | xingu: it was like my days of ham radio. Moving the ethernet cable made the speed faster :) |
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| 20:43.49 | xingu | pbxbrian: inevitably there will be some magic voodoo somewhere that makes everything alright... for that particular server pair |
| 20:44.07 | xingu | pbxbrian: and then you'll have to relearn it all over again for the next rtl8xxx fault you hit. |
| 20:44.31 | pbxbrian | xingu: The weird thing is that I'm now syncing at 800Mbps using 1500 mtu with two completely different vendors card |
| 20:44.46 | DeltaHeavy | ectospasm: I assume you're on Squeeze? |
| 20:44.50 | DeltaHeavy | I'm on Wheezy |
| 20:44.58 | pbxbrian | xingu: the onboard card in the slave box doesn't support any other mtu |
| 20:45.12 | Artemis3 | pbxbrian, perhaps you should play with ethtol to turn off unwanted "features" |
| 20:45.17 | SNow | Hi. why windows by default sets 1396 mtu why pptpd requires 1404 ? I tried to set mtu in options.pptpd but in ifconfig pptpd0 i still see mtu 1396 and packets are dropped. When I do ifconfig pptpd0 mtu 1404 it works just fine. |
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| 20:45.22 | xingu | pbxbrian: jumbo frame efficiency is mostly a myth |
| 20:45.23 | ectospasm | DeltaHeavy: actually, on my workstations, I'm running on sid |
| 20:45.26 | pbxbrian | xingu: you would think with two identical cards with a .5 metre crossover cable would be no brainer |
| 20:45.43 | pbxbrian | xingu: no - two totally different vendor cards with default settings just works. |
| 20:45.54 | xingu | pbxbrian: :) |
| 20:45.59 | DeltaHeavy | ectospasm: That would explain why. Anyway I just found it. it was openoffice.org |
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| 20:46.05 | Artemis3 | pbxbrian, ethtool |
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| 20:46.17 | pbxbrian | xingu: Last time I go near r816* |
| 20:46.25 | xingu | !customer |
| 20:46.25 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:46.27 | ectospasm | DeltaHeavy: I'd go with libreoffice, openoffice.org is effectively defunct |
| 20:46.29 | xingu | ;) |
| 20:46.29 | jez_ | I just created a PV with lvm2, but my PV is 404Mo ... Why it doesn't spread the whole partition ? |
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| 20:46.56 | pbxbrian | Artemis3: We did play with most changeable settings without improvement. |
| 20:47.02 | xingu | pbxbrian: unfortunately the are the weapon of choice is a large number of small office systems... including notebooks... :) |
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| 20:47.32 | abrotman | ectospasm: squeeze doesn't have libreoffice |
| 20:47.54 | Artemis3 | pbxbrian, i have 8168B here, gives errors when plugged to a cheap switch, perfect without it... |
| 20:47.59 | ectospasm | abrotman: but DeltaHeavy said s/he's on wheezy |
| 20:48.05 | xingu | pbxbrian: I rather hilariously had a notebook whos 8169 would firstly deadlock any kernel from about 2.6.11 -> 2.6.30 and secondly would, after about 5min of deadlock or so, then spray ethernet jabbers out on the wire at line speed. |
| 20:48.06 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 20:48.20 | pbxbrian | Artemis3: these two cards were plugged into each other via xover |
| 20:48.21 | abrotman | i mean, there's a transitional package .. perhaps that's what he found .. dunno |
| 20:48.32 | DeltaHeavy | Maybe I"m on Squeeze and I'm mixing them up =X I'm on Stable |
| 20:48.40 | pbxbrian | xingu: jebus |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | 'that's squeeezze |
| 20:48.42 | xingu | pbxbrian: of course I didn't find this out until the first time I went out to lunch, a colleague plugged it in after thinking they'd unplugged it when they moved my notebook, and the aggregation switch in the riser caught fire. |
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| 20:48.53 | pbxbrian | !!!!! |
| 20:48.53 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 20:49.00 | xingu | pbxbrian: figuratively speaking. |
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| 20:51.34 | pbxbrian | xingu: Anyway just wanted to let you know I did follow it up today. intel cards on monday. Never again touch realtek voodo |
| 20:51.41 | Artemis3 | xingu, at work there is a machine that causes this, from around 200 machines, that one can never be plugged. I forgot which chipset it had :) |
| 20:51.42 | pbxbrian | *voodoo |
| 20:51.43 | xingu | nice |
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| 21:04.52 | jacklk | http://pastebin.com/2zMm64VH |
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| 21:05.51 | Innocentus | hi |
| 21:05.54 | Innocentus | So I want to change the hostname |
| 21:06.01 | Innocentus | I did this by editing the /etc/hostname |
| 21:06.05 | Innocentus | and rebooting (to be sure) |
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| 21:06.16 | Innocentus | but afterwards I still cannot connect via samba computer name, still the old name |
| 21:06.41 | jez_ | Innocentus: Samba use NetBios names, you need to update your netbios name in your smb.conf |
| 21:06.51 | jez_ | then restart Samba ;) |
| 21:07.34 | jhutchins_wk | ...or just reload. |
| 21:07.59 | somiaj | yea I thought a normal smb.conf uses the hostname |
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| 21:11.21 | jez_ | somiaj: you though wrong, it use Netbios ... This feature comes from before TCP and DNS ... |
| 21:12.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember there being a name setting in smb.conf |
| 21:13.11 | Polly | can anyone help me with Synergy?? my windows host says: client 'debian' has connected, but i stll cant share my keyboard/mouse |
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| 21:13.30 | Innocentus | jez_: in smb.conf there is no explicite netbios name set |
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| 21:15.27 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you install the nmbd or winbind stuff? |
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| 21:15.47 | ws2k3 | how can i view a message in the exim mail queue ? |
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| 21:16.06 | jez_ | Innocentus: can you paste ur conf ? |
| 21:16.54 | tidux | fixed my problems |
| 21:17.01 | tidux | update-alternatives is an amazing tool |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman | tidux: ? |
| 21:17.11 | tidux | turns out that's where the display managers read the X cursor theme |
| 21:17.17 | abrotman | ws2k3: cat |
| 21:17.18 | tidux | xdm was giving me the same problem |
| 21:17.27 | Innocentus | abrotman: I just installed samba via apt |
| 21:17.29 | tidux | so I figured it couldn't be two different display managers' package maintainers |
| 21:17.32 | tidux | it had to be me |
| 21:17.34 | Innocentus | abrotman: after this I changed the hostname |
| 21:17.54 | abrotman | Innocentus: okay |
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| 21:30.08 | Innocentus | I want to use the sass command, a binary in a folder |
| 21:30.11 | Innocentus | directly in console |
| 21:30.18 | Innocentus | so I have to export to $Path |
| 21:30.20 | Innocentus | how do I do this? |
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| 21:35.52 | ChrisH | assuming bash: export PATH=/some/dirs:$PATH |
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| 21:38.31 | iaj | hi there |
| 21:38.40 | iaj | is there an easy way to temporarily disable all cronjobs? |
| 21:39.14 | Innocentus | what means export |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | Innocentus: man bash |
| 21:39.50 | ChrisH | Ideas: stop cron and/or rename the cronjobsfiles... be aware there are several locations for cronjobs in Linux |
| 21:40.10 | Innocentus | right |
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| 21:44.10 | iaj | ChrisH: how do I stop cron? |
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| 21:44.33 | abrotman | iaj: use the init script |
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| 21:45.13 | iaj | ./etc/init.d/cron stop |
| 21:45.16 | iaj | that would yield.. right? |
| 21:45.48 | abrotman | did you try it? |
| 21:45.58 | iaj | yeh... and now its fully stopped? |
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| 21:47.03 | ChrisH | test: ps -efl | grep -i cron |
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| 21:47.55 | iaj | yeh.. its a goner.. thanks folks |
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| 22:08.23 | Innocentus | Why should one change the port of ssh server to 2207? |
| 22:09.06 | abrotman | because, it is a method that some people use to believe it makes their systems safer |
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| 22:10.43 | ompaul | or because it is called security though obscurity |
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| 22:11.55 | abrotman | it won't stop someone that actually knows what they're doing |
| 22:12.04 | Innocentus | but better security from obscurity, than nothing ? |
| 22:12.06 | ompaul | the concept is simple, just like the flaw in the logic - the additional layer of protection it gives you is that someone who only attacks port 22 can't get in - however ... well ... if someone knows an exploit and they use a scan to find your ssh port its the same game |
| 22:12.18 | ompaul | Innocentus: the foolish rely on it |
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| 22:12.41 | ompaul | and if you run a public facing web service and that web service is vulnerable it will not help |
| 22:12.43 | Innocentus | right |
| 22:13.03 | ompaul | so the added value is very limited |
| 22:13.16 | ompaul | particularly if you are a target for whatever reason |
| 22:13.21 | zinx | if i were running a web service, it would have its own user |
| 22:13.35 | zinx | possibly even its own machine :P |
| 22:14.09 | ompaul | did you ever see a machine that once active upon it a local exploit was not available? |
| 22:14.35 | ompaul | vms great idea for security but we don't really understand the threat model to the box below yet |
| 22:14.37 | zinx | an up-to-date one, assuming you don't include zero-day stuff |
| 22:14.41 | zinx | but |
| 22:14.46 | zinx | that was the point of another machine. |
| 22:14.53 | ompaul | when zero days happens - it happens |
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| 22:15.00 | zinx | ompaul: most VMs have known ways to break out of the VM |
| 22:15.10 | zinx | ompaul: right, but then we get in to the time thing |
| 22:15.14 | ompaul | thus proving my point about vms |
| 22:15.18 | zinx | ompaul: you can crack any password i choose too |
| 22:15.23 | zinx | ompaul: but you have a limited time to do so. |
| 22:15.32 | Innocentus | why is the time limited? |
| 22:15.34 | zinx | ompaul: and you can't crack it in that time unless you get really lucky. |
| 22:15.47 | zinx | Innocentus: ... because the machine is continually updated, or because i change the password. |
| 22:15.52 | peterrooney | moving ssh to nonstandard port means, NOT having to analyze extensive log files about ten million attempted breakins. |
| 22:16.01 | ompaul | not true - I just need to land on the same day as you change to it and your corporate 30day cycle allows me to convert the binaries to my liking |
| 22:16.03 | zinx | peterrooney: lol, that's a really good reason |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | peterrooney: there are other ways around that, including iptables |
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| 22:16.30 | ompaul | anyway we have strayed a little far from have you a debian question ;-) |
| 22:16.32 | zinx | ompaul: again, to get my password, all you need to do is land on it while i'm still using it. |
| 22:16.38 | zinx | ompaul: it's no different. |
| 22:16.59 | zinx | ompaul: well, i suppose there's a difference in that you know the window of possibility, if you have a specific target |
| 22:17.07 | zinx | ompaul: but, i'm not a specific target :) |
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| 22:18.06 | zinx | ompaul: anyway, the 30 day cycle assumes it will take far far longer than 30 days to crack it, unless you get super lucky |
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| 22:18.16 | zinx | ompaul: if it doesn't, then you need to decrease the time of the cycle. |
| 22:18.31 | zinx | (though with something that low, you probably need a better password scheme too) |
| 22:18.44 | ompaul | zinx: as you change it it does not negate the pool I still have left to use ... |
| 22:19.04 | zinx | ompaul: no, but you have to re-try everything you have already tried too. |
| 22:19.09 | ompaul | why? |
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| 22:19.16 | zinx | ompaul: because i could have changed it to one of those. |
| 22:19.21 | ompaul | I don't know you are changing |
| 22:19.27 | ompaul | I don't know your frequency |
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| 22:19.42 | ompaul | I just brute force it and sometimes I'm lucky :-) |
| 22:19.43 | abrotman | piggy! |
| 22:19.44 | zinx | ompaul: learn statistics |
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| 22:20.20 | zinx | ompaul: passwords are security through obscurity, and yes they can be cracked by someone getting lucky if there aren't extra provisions (like logging attempts) |
| 22:20.21 | ompaul | zinx: probability ... bayes, MCMC |
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| 22:21.32 | zinx | ompaul: anyway, my point is, with up-to-date systems, getting a vulnerability in an application and in the machine's kernel that both haven't been patched is hopefully not going to last long. |
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| 22:21.55 | abrotman | zinx: you're assuming admins actually patch systems |
| 22:22.01 | zinx | abrotman: yeah, this is a good point |
| 22:22.09 | zinx | abrotman: i'm assuming proper practices :) |
| 22:22.18 | zinx | (assuming the person here is the one who will be implementing them) |
| 22:22.23 | engla | you should record the IPs of those who come here to ask about etch and lenny .) |
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| 22:22.34 | zinx | engla: already done |
| 22:22.39 | zinx | (no joke) |
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| 22:22.53 | ompaul | zinx: assumption is the mother of all mistakes (you may choose the crasser version if you so like) |
| 22:23.08 | goose | I'm trying to mount an NTFS external hard drive; however, when it mounts it's world writable despite any chmod command I run on it |
| 22:23.29 | zinx | ompaul: if you want to add 1 and 1 as 3, there's nothing i can to do make it equal 2. |
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| 22:24.37 | frostschutz | goose: man ntfs-3g, access handling, uid/gid/umask/... mount parameters. |
| 22:24.46 | goose | umask |
| 22:24.48 | goose | forgot about that one |
| 22:24.50 | ggdevelop | anyone know how to hide join part messages in pidgin? btw I tried joining #pidgin to ask there, but they don't let me in :( |
| 22:25.01 | abrotman | ggdevelop: /msg nickserv help .. you need to register |
| 22:25.14 | abrotman | or, use a real irc client :) |
| 22:25.34 | abrotman | ggdevelop: google says it's a plugin |
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| 22:32.17 | ggdevelop | abrotman: nickserv tell that I am already identified |
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| 22:32.31 | abrotman | ggdevelop: and you can't /join #pidgin ? |
| 22:32.41 | abrotman | ggdevelop: anyway, google should be able to answer you |
| 22:33.56 | ggdevelop | they say I am banned. but they don't know me :/ |
| 22:34.43 | abrotman | ggdevelop: did you search google for your answer? |
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| 22:35.54 | ggdevelop | abrotman: a bit |
| 22:36.07 | abrotman | found it in five seconds |
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| 22:38.22 | ggdevelop | found it too :*| |
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| 22:57.56 | darmok | I'm using Debian Wheezy. What do most people use to fill out and submit pdf forms? |
| 22:58.47 | Arrowmaster | have you tried evince? |
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| 22:59.07 | darmok | I'm using xfce. I thought evince was for gnome? |
| 22:59.12 | Arrowmaster | and im assuming you mean pdfs that have been created to have input boxes |
| 22:59.20 | darmok | Yes, that is what I mean. |
| 22:59.23 | Arrowmaster | there is an evince-gtk package |
| 22:59.23 | sney | evince is just gtk, which xfce also uses |
| 22:59.25 | abrotman | darmok: pdfedit |
| 22:59.51 | neon__ | I hear on my speaker someone else :/ |
| 22:59.54 | darmok | Thanks. |
| 23:00.03 | Arrowmaster | evince has some gnome dependencies, evince-gtk is pure gtk |
| 23:00.26 | darmok | Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try evince-gtk. |
| 23:00.28 | neon__ | And when I sent this it stopped |
| 23:00.34 | neon__ | I think i have a trojan! |
| 23:00.43 | neon__ | crap |
| 23:01.06 | darmok | Do you have dialup? |
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| 23:01.14 | darmok | I used to have an old lady in my speakers. |
| 23:02.16 | neon__ | what to do if my computer got rooted? |
| 23:02.34 | wols | you disconnect from the internet as a first step |
| 23:02.45 | wols | you reinstall your OS |
| 23:02.49 | neon__ | and then? |
| 23:03.00 | neon__ | reinstall? how? |
| 23:03.01 | wols | if you can, find out how you got rooted |
| 23:03.12 | neon__ | how? |
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| 23:04.27 | wols | if you don't know how to reinstall an OS you shouldn't do anything but bring the PC to a technician |
| 23:04.56 | neon__ | wols, I know to install not how to reinstall |
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| 23:06.43 | neon__ | how to netstat with program name output? |
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| 23:07.38 | LtL | neon__: netstat -tunap |
| 23:08.39 | neon__ | maybe it was a skype? |
| 23:08.51 | neon__ | I see two skype connection established |
| 23:09.10 | LtL | neon__: netstat -tuap also. not sure what you want. |
| 23:10.05 | neon__ | LtL, I heard someone typing , and then I wrote here that I think my comp was rooted, and then the sound stopped as if that someone saw what I wrote |
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| 23:11.28 | LtL | neon__: run chkrookit, are your logs intact, is ssh server open, look at /var/auth.log |
| 23:11.55 | LtL | neon__: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 23:12.55 | LtL | neon__: i'm sorry it's 'chkrootkit' |
| 23:13.30 | neon__ | sshd is not installed |
| 23:13.59 | LtL | neon__: how / where did you hear typing other than yor own? |
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| 23:14.52 | neon__ | LtL, I killed iceweasel because it was not loading pages, and then I opened it and heard it |
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| 23:15.58 | LtL | neon__: in the speakers? this is strange |
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| 23:16.48 | neon__ | LtL, Yes, in the speaker. I thought maybe my skype has some open connection, but I have only one contact, and it is off |
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| 23:17.03 | Scramblejams | HI all. The e2fsck man page says that -c will run a bad block check, and if any are found they will be marked to prevent them being allocated. What if they're already allocated? Will it print me a list of the files that are damaged? |
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| 23:17.43 | LtL | neon__: i don't use skype, it's doubtful you were compromised by it. |
| 23:18.07 | neon__ | LtL, what package is chkrootkit in/ |
| 23:18.10 | neon__ | ? |
| 23:18.35 | LtL | neon__: apt-get install chkrootkit ; run as root |
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| 23:19.37 | neon__ | thanks (I forgot to write 'install') |
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| 23:20.34 | neon__ | The following suspicious files and directories were found: |
| 23:20.34 | neon__ | /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/.autoreg /usr/lib/jvm/.java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64.jinfo /usr/lib/jvm/.java-gcj-4.7.jinfo /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/.path |
| 23:21.12 | Polly | could i use chkrootkit on a network non-unix machine? |
| 23:21.25 | n00b_dust | Whenever I start my debian system from a cold boot, after entering my login credentials at the login screen, the system takes almost about 5 mins to complete the boot process. How do I find out why its taking so long to boot? It boots much faster on Gnome3 but takes too long on KDE only |
| 23:21.29 | LtL | neon__: that's normal as far as java. I don't get that about python last i looked. probably normal. |
| 23:21.31 | Polly | ahh, i dont think i can |
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| 23:21.34 | abrotman | Polly: doubtful .. |
| 23:21.59 | neon__ | beside that it doesn't complaine |
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| 23:23.02 | LtL | neon__: read whats it the .path file. just in case. dot files can be suspicious |
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| 23:24.15 | LtL | neon__: it's likely binary, you might google it |
| 23:25.10 | neon__ | LtL, less doesn't show anything in there |
| 23:25.59 | neon__ | LtL, ls -lah doesn't sow any size, not even zero. that is strange |
| 23:26.30 | LtL | neon__: the java and python files are both false positives. |
| 23:26.35 | echo083 | the i386 packages would work on sparc on arm processors ? |
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| 23:26.56 | neon__ | maybe I should clamscan the disk? |
| 23:27.32 | LtL | neon__: if it's installed why not. i doubt you have anything to worry about. |
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| 23:28.09 | neon__ | maybe it was something on youtube, and when the browser opened, it played it |
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| 23:28.30 | LtL | neon__: probably some silly web script |
| 23:28.42 | neon__ | I'll search for open youtube window |
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| 23:31.11 | echo083 | noone an idea ? |
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| 23:33.54 | scwizard | I'm trying to dist-upgrade to wheezy, and I get this: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 23:34.03 | scwizard | how can I resolve this? |
| 23:34.20 | sney | !immediate configuration |
| 23:34.20 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
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| 23:35.41 | GNU\colossus | hmm, I have a 64bit installation of Squeeze, and need to run Skype on my machine. can I somehow pluck it in a wheezy chroot, and still run it on my local X display? if so, how? |
| 23:36.50 | Ikarus | hi, quick question, Wheezy, is it possible to get rid of the unusable mess that is Gnome 3 and get back to Gnome 2 |
| 23:36.51 | un214 | yes |
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| 23:37.01 | un214 | remote X is the key |
| 23:37.07 | dvs | Ikarus: no |
| 23:37.15 | abrotman | Ikarus: no |
| 23:37.32 | scwizard | sney: this counts as a bug that will hopefully be resolved before the final wheezy release right? |
| 23:37.38 | un214 | thing is, I'm ready to give a yes answer to Ikarus's question |
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| 23:37.46 | abrotman | un214: you're wrong? |
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| 23:38.00 | Ikarus | oh, appaerently there is |
| 23:38.02 | un214 | would not stack chroot permit gnome 2 to be started? |
| 23:38.03 | sney | Ikarus: not really, but you can install cinnamon from sid, and that gets you away from the tablet interface at least |
| 23:38.07 | Ikarus | it's called mate (a fork of Gnome 2) |
| 23:38.12 | abrotman | un214: yu're not putting gnome2 on wheezy, you're using a remote desktop .. using your criteria, you could run WindowsXP on Wheezy |
| 23:38.21 | sney | mate is kind of a mess |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | Ikarus: that's not part of Debian, not support, and *not* recommended |
| 23:38.37 | abrotman | Ikarus: Cinnamon would be a better path forward |
| 23:39.11 | abrotman | wishes MATE would die |
| 23:39.14 | un214 | as I just recommended the other guy, installing squeeze in a chroot jail and linking X would make it work |
| 23:39.25 | Arrowmaster | im using Cinnamon right now, highly recommend at least trying it before trying to remove Gnome3 and install something else |
| 23:39.37 | un214 | I believe schroot automates most of the hard steps |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | at least Cinnamon is in Debian |
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| 23:41.15 | Arrowmaster | a task for cinnamon would be nice though |
| 23:41.26 | sney | and MATE probably will die, or go defunct and get absorbed into xfce or something |
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| 23:41.57 | echo083 | the i386 packages would work on sparc or arm processors ? (i ask again but my last attempt) |
| 23:42.00 | darmok | So I started using Evince. It is exactly what I am looking for except the font size for writing in the input fields is too small. Is there a way to change this? |
| 23:42.06 | dondelelcaro | echo083: no |
| 23:42.22 | echo083 | dondelelcaro, ok ok all i wanted to know :) thanks |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: Cinnomon is currently only in Unstable |
| 23:43.57 | Polly | can anyone help me with Synergy?? my windows host says: client 'debian' has connected, but i stll cant share my keyboard/mouse |
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| 23:48.29 | enyawix | what will replace sid when it becomes "testing"? |
| 23:48.30 | fredcooke | Anyone know if it's possible to install RPM tools on Debian? I say this because I want to use them to build RPMs for distribution of a package. |
| 23:48.47 | echo083 | packages.debian.org is very slow recently ? where should i ask for the person in charge of it ? |
| 23:48.59 | dvs | enyawix: sid will never become testing |
| 23:49.01 | Brigo | enyawix: sid will never die! :-) |
| 23:49.13 | Brigo | fredcooke: yes it is |
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| 23:49.25 | fredcooke | +1 to sid will never die! |
| 23:49.32 | enyawix | ok |
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| 23:49.43 | fredcooke | Brigo: am I asking stupid questions? If not, how do I do it. If yes, I'll figure it out :-) |
| 23:49.53 | un214 | sid can indeed die |
| 23:49.57 | Brigo | fredcooke: there is a package: rmp |
| 23:49.58 | fredcooke | :-p |
| 23:50.02 | fredcooke | ahhh |
| 23:50.03 | un214 | but if it does, then debian is dead |
| 23:50.04 | fredcooke | RMP |
| 23:50.06 | fredcooke | nice |
| 23:50.10 | fredcooke | or was that a typo? |
| 23:50.16 | enyawix | so what is the next "testing" |
| 23:50.20 | fredcooke | (00:50:02) un214: but if it does, then debian is dead |
| 23:50.21 | fredcooke | on a cold day in hell |
| 23:50.22 | Brigo | typo? |
| 23:50.23 | Arrowmaster | jessie |
| 23:50.24 | Brigo | rpm - package manager for RPM |
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| 23:50.33 | fredcooke | rmp != rpm :-) |
| 23:50.34 | abrotman | fredcooke: yes, you can install/use RPM tools in Debian |
| 23:50.36 | fredcooke | typo it was |
| 23:50.38 | tassmjau | hey, is anyone successful in using "dunst" for notifications in debian? |
| 23:50.55 | Brigo | fredcooke: writing mistake? |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | enyawix: sid never becomes testing |
| 23:51.11 | fredcooke | (00:49:57) Brigo: fredcooke: there is a package: rmp |
| 23:51.11 | fredcooke | yes, yours :-) |
| 23:51.24 | un214 | so does that make sid the longest supported branch? |
| 23:51.30 | fredcooke | Next question, can I install RPM tools in macports, but that's OT for here, so I'll find somewhere else to ask it :-) |
| 23:51.45 | abrotman | doesn't even know what macports is |
| 23:51.55 | fredcooke | like freebsd for mac os x |
| 23:51.56 | Brigo | abrotman: me too :-) |
| 23:52.01 | fredcooke | makes using mac bearable ;-) |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | fredcooke: oh, i only knew the other one .. fink |
| 23:52.09 | fredcooke | fink sucks |
| 23:52.13 | fredcooke | i know it's deb based |
| 23:52.16 | fredcooke | but it's not as good |
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| 23:52.19 | fredcooke | sadly |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | fredcooke: your enter key is broken |
| 23:52.35 | fredcooke | no, it's |
| 23:52.36 | fredcooke | workikng |
| 23:52.37 | fredcooke | fine |
| 23:52.40 | fredcooke | see |
| 23:52.41 | fredcooke | :-p |
| 23:52.51 | abrotman | not amused |
| 23:52.54 | fredcooke | LOL |
| 23:52.56 | fredcooke | good |
| 23:52.58 | fredcooke | adios |
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| 23:53.05 | abrotman | won't be missed |
| 23:53.09 | boby | fredcooke, #apt-get install alien |
| 23:53.19 | abrotman | boby: not the same |
| 23:53.23 | Brigo | boby: too late :-D |
| 23:53.32 | boby | oops |
| 23:53.35 | boby | ;-) |
| 23:54.51 | echo083 | noone noticed packages.debian.org is very slow ? |
| 23:55.23 | abrotman | echo083: not for everyone |
| 23:55.58 | abrotman | echo083: seems to come and go |
| 23:56.09 | echo083 | abrotman, i just wanted to check ;) if the issue is of my side before complaining to anyone who wouldn't appreciate if i'm wrong |
| 23:56.20 | echo083 | abrotman, ok so you noticed too ? |
| 23:56.40 | echo083 | abrotman, it is possible to reproduce an offline version of packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:56.58 | abrotman | echo083: which parts of it? |
| 23:57.10 | echo083 | abrotman, the part giving information about packages |
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| 23:57.46 | abrotman | echo083: yes .. what part? |
| 23:57.49 | echo083 | abrotman, is there a project providing a web interface for diging packages presenting information searching them ? a web alternative to dpkg |
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| 23:58.12 | abrotman | echo083: package contents? descriptions? versions in other versions of Debian? |
| 23:58.28 | echo083 | abrotman, yes |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | ... |
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| 23:58.48 | Brigo | echo083: web? |
| 23:58.53 | echo083 | abrotman, ... ? |
| 23:59.05 | boby | echo083, dpkg-www ? |
| 23:59.09 | Brigo | may be webmin? ... :-D |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | echo083: package contents? apt-file descriptions? apt-cache or aptitude |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | Brigo: stop |
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| 23:59.45 | echo083 | boby, ah nice clue |
