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| 00:07.47 | AlexLikeRock | hi, i need add lenguage to keyboar (korean) |
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| 00:08.13 | AlexLikeRock | this help me? " #dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" |
| 00:09.09 | mikehaas763 | I have to perform this step: "Additionally, set the env_keep variable to "SSH_AUTH_SOCK" so the connection to the forward agent is kept when sudo is run" Can someone point me in the right direction for this? |
| 00:09.12 | AlexLikeRock | or this tink change |
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| 00:11.44 | un214 | Is there some way to disable the kde gesture for maximize window. I almost never maximize windows |
| 00:12.19 | un214 | it interferes with the common action of move window to top left corner |
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| 00:17.53 | mroe | Is there a tftp menu to easily allow me to choose which image to boot? |
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| 00:28.00 | pmo | anyone know where "pidgin-libnotify" went? cant find it in the repo's |
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| 00:31.08 | pmo | anyone? |
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| 00:32.23 | jelly-home | ,v pidgin-libnotify |
| 00:32.25 | judd | Package: pidgin-libnotify on i386 -- lenny: 0.13-2; squeeze: 0.14-4; sid: 0.14-9 |
| 00:32.39 | jelly-home | too buggy for testing, prolly |
| 00:32.45 | pmo | ah |
| 00:33.00 | pmo | need to find me another solution i guess hehe |
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| 00:33.20 | jelly-home | very carefully backport it? |
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| 00:33.30 | pmo | hehe |
| 00:33.40 | pmo | i dont really see what harm it would do :P |
| 00:34.03 | AlexLikeRock | how to add korean to my keyboar ?? |
| 00:34.25 | AlexLikeRock | i doit troug control panel, but not work |
| 00:36.03 | pmo | AlexLikeRock: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 00:43.45 | jayjay21 | hi |
| 00:46.45 | jelly-home | pmo: you could also dpkg -i the .deb from sid, but it wasn't me that suggested that |
| 00:47.13 | pmo | hehe i will figure out what i do tomorrow :) |
| 00:47.22 | pmo | i moved to the laptop now (bed) :) |
| 00:48.04 | pmo | im also thinking, wouldnt it be safer to compile it from source? |
| 00:48.30 | zash | and review all source, including the compiler |
| 00:49.24 | zash | or safe how? :) |
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| 00:50.27 | jelly-home | !tell pmo -about ssb |
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| 00:52.54 | theseb | Say..Anyone doing IPv6 on linux at home? If it wasn't too hard I was considering attempting to move to it if it wasn't too much trouble.....what special effort was needed to still access important sites like google.com and amazon.com? |
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| 00:54.59 | MMavipc | Hello, I wan't to set the console font to what it is during boot, before it configures fonts |
| 00:55.05 | MMavipc | how do I do that? |
| 00:56.03 | un214 | MMavipc: you remove the font config altogether |
| 00:56.57 | MMavipc | un214: how do I do that? |
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| 00:57.17 | un214 | dunno I have the boot font by never having configured another |
| 00:57.32 | un214 | but if you know how to set it then you should know how to set it to blank |
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| 00:57.55 | habstinat | I'm having some trouble configuring BIND for the first time on my quick-and-dirty Debian server (just used for hosting some files). I've bought a domain with Gandi but I'm not sure where to go from here. I've looked online, at /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz, and the manual for named.conf, but none seem to provide a straightforward answer to what I want to do: run a simple DNS server using my domain. How can I configure BIN |
| 00:58.12 | MMavipc | un214: setfont won't take blank for an argument |
| 00:58.43 | r3m | gnai two manger dpoding du chomeur de longueuil |
| 00:58.57 | jelly-home | habstinat: you got cut off at ". How can I configure BIN" |
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| 01:00.21 | un214 | MMavipc: i mean in the system config |
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| 01:00.52 | Kaervan | woah almost forgot |
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| 01:02.17 | jelly-home | habstinat: create a valid zone file for your domain, add desired records in it, add the zone file to named.conf.local, type master; allow-query { any; }; reload the service |
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| 01:04.40 | TSE | Hello, can somebody point me to any direction where I can learn how to read the output of the dmesg command? I'm trying to troubleshoot my remote box which didn't repond to ping nor SSH earlier. |
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| 01:07.09 | un214 | TSE: I'm not used to that showing up in dmsg |
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| 01:08.52 | TSE | un214: yeah, was actually wondering why my box went awry for a while |
| 01:09.18 | un214 | maybe it was your hub |
| 01:09.53 | un214 | it's usually network trouble when one of my boxes is not responding |
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| 01:10.10 | traucet | Turned on my vm with debian 64bit on it. Noticed a notification for updates. Opened a root terminal and did apt-get upgrade. Then an apt-get update. During the apt-get update received an error - W: Failed to fetch "http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz" 404 Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.9 80] E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 01:10.41 | un214 | race condition in apt-get update -- try again usually fixes it |
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| 01:11.21 | TSE | un214: was considering network issue but i'm still looking at any possibilities as to why this box stops responding. |
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| 01:12.15 | TSE | un214: this is actually a dns/dhcp server that also has drbd on it, just realized that this one stops responding to ssh and icmp until i manually failover to the other node. |
| 01:12.38 | TSE | i'm trying to rule out the hardware issue first before proceeding with the network side. |
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| 01:13.20 | un214 | I've never seen a not responding show up in dmesg at all |
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| 01:13.53 | TSE | yeah, but I found something like: "PM: Resume from disk failed." in dmesg. |
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| 01:14.17 | traucet | No go on the multiple attempts for apt-get update. Still erroring on the backport |
| 01:15.27 | seeker61 | when i enable my wireless and type my security key in the next screen asks for a key ring password i just hit cancel and it goes ahead and connects but how can i not have that screen show up |
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| 01:17.01 | JoeHazzers | i have a random sit0 interface laying around on my machine, which is down and has no address configured. what's up with that? also, how do i remove it? |
| 01:17.20 | trist4n | did you try to set up v6 tunneling a while ago. |
| 01:18.11 | JoeHazzers | a while ago, yes. |
| 01:18.17 | trist4n | there we have it |
| 01:18.21 | trist4n | ifconfig sit- down |
| 01:18.22 | trist4n | er |
| 01:18.23 | trist4n | ifconfig sit0 down |
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| 01:18.38 | JoeHazzers | :V |
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| 01:18.43 | JoeHazzers | hugs trist4n |
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| 01:20.32 | seeker61 | when i boot my wireless autoenables i do not want it to yet so how do i turn the auto enable off. I have tried doing by right clicking on the network but when i unchekc the checkbox apply is not available |
| 01:21.15 | JoeHazzers | trist4n: huh, it still appears in `ip addr show` |
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| 01:31.34 | Dagger2 | I think you're kinda stuck with that sit0 interface |
| 01:31.41 | Dagger2 | it seems to be useless. just ignore it |
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| 01:37.45 | JoeHazzers | "just ignore it" is a crap solution to a problem that shouldn't exist. |
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| 01:40.55 | Dagger2 | indeed it is |
| 01:41.26 | dvs | ignores his debt |
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| 01:45.36 | traucet | So is "http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.gz" outdated or moved. Just wondering since I get the 404 eror during apt-get update. |
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| 01:46.53 | dvs | !archive |
| 01:46.53 | dvs | dpkg, etch |
| 01:46.53 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 01:51.00 | traucet | So, its outdated. I only installed debian like a week ago. Time to erase the vm, download another copy, and re-install the system in a new vm? |
| 01:51.53 | dvs | traucet: you just downloaded etch? Holy cow! |
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| 01:55.55 | traucet | dvs: I downlaoded and installed debian-6.06-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:56.15 | trist4n | thats not etch! |
| 01:56.42 | pfdotn | traucet: why not just upgrade packages in place? |
| 01:56.49 | dvs | traucet: So why are you asking about etch backports? |
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| 01:58.03 | traucet | I just h available. Did an apt-get upgrade, ten an apt-get update. Apt-get update popped that eror. |
| 01:58.18 | traucet | Had updates available. |
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| 01:59.31 | dvs | traucet: if you just installed Debian 6, then there's no way it should have asked for etch |
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| 02:00.30 | traucet | LOL, then we are both at a loss. I am not sure why an apt-get upgrade, then update would cause thos. |
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| 02:01.14 | canvon | traucet: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list, and/or possible snippets in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 02:07.28 | traucet | canvon: etch ackports is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list under squeeze updates, previously known as 'volatle' |
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| 02:11.32 | psycode | i'm offering my virginity for a full featured laptop |
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| 02:14.59 | psycode | i want quad i7's, 32 inch display, 1000GB ram and it has to be pink and have a pretty pony on the lid |
| 02:15.48 | psycode | and weigh less than 1 pound |
| 02:17.12 | traucet | So, lets see what have I installed since. I have installed the lamp stack, geany, x-chat. Hmm seems I may have added the backport for flash-plugin or kino. |
| 02:17.16 | zash | And fit in your pocket? |
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| 02:18.06 | dvs | traucet: then you added backports wrong |
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| 02:19.02 | traucet | did an echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:19.57 | henry_IT | i have a problem in my built in ethernet |
| 02:20.05 | henry_IT | no tx |
| 02:21.27 | traucet | What would be the correct way to add it as to resolve thos issue? |
| 02:21.42 | sney | henry_IT, what's the pci id of that nic |
| 02:22.13 | sney | traucet, what debian version are you using? |
| 02:22.31 | dvs | sney: 6.0.6 |
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| 02:22.54 | henry_IT | RTL8111/8168B |
| 02:23.02 | LtL | traucet: replace line with: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:23.06 | sney | traucet, then you don't want etch-backports. etch is debian 4. go to http://backports.debian.org/ and follow the instructions to get squeeze-backports. |
| 02:23.10 | sney | or do what LtL said. |
| 02:23.41 | LtL | traucet: you'll need the key also, its on the website |
| 02:23.45 | traucet | Ok, thanks. |
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| 02:23.59 | sney | henry_IT, no, the pci id. you can find it with lspci -nn and it looks like [xxxx:xxxx] |
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| 02:24.15 | LtL | traucet: err nevermind, no key needed for backports |
| 02:24.44 | sney | traucet, make sure you remove the etch-backports line |
| 02:25.20 | traucet | Just delete it and the echo again with new line? |
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| 02:25.36 | trist4n | use a ``text`` ``editor``. |
| 02:25.50 | traucet | I have geany. I will use that. |
| 02:26.51 | henry_IT | ok |
| 02:27.35 | henry_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/222379/ |
| 02:27.55 | henry_IT | i have built in lan card ethernet |
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| 02:28.17 | sney | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 02:28.18 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 02:28.24 | sney | !r8169 |
| 02:28.25 | dpkg | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 02:28.43 | sney | hmm, shouldn't need firmware. is your cable good? |
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| 02:28.54 | henry_IT | is their any chance to install |
| 02:29.05 | henry_IT | yes cable is good |
| 02:29.53 | sney | when it says the driver is in the mainline kernel, that means you already have the driver, there is nothing to install |
| 02:29.59 | henry_IT | how can i upgrade firmware |
| 02:30.23 | henry_IT | but i cant browse to internet |
| 02:30.59 | sney | henry_IT, what have you tried so far? are there any errors? |
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| 02:31.42 | henry_IT | yes |
| 02:31.47 | henry_IT | i cant brose to internet |
| 02:32.27 | sney | henry_IT, are you able to get an ip address? |
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| 02:33.06 | henry_IT | i install static |
| 02:33.08 | henry_IT | ip |
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| 02:33.54 | sney | can you ping your router? |
| 02:34.19 | traucet | I have another question. I open geany from root terminal. I am not sure how to s inside the erminal. |
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| 02:34.58 | henry_IT | nope |
| 02:35.01 | traucet | stop the app inside the terminal |
| 02:35.13 | henry_IT | i cant ping |
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| 02:36.34 | sney | traucet, ctrl-c |
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| 02:36.48 | sney | henry_IT, what are the ip address and network mask of your computer and router? |
| 02:36.58 | traucet | thanks |
| 02:36.59 | henry_IT | sney |
| 02:37.14 | sney | that's me. |
| 02:37.44 | henry_IT | 192.168.1.100 /255.255.255.192 |
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| 02:38.29 | traucet | Thanks for the help error resolved. |
| 02:38.43 | terron | is there a way to show what versions of a package are available amongst my repositories? |
| 02:39.15 | sney | henry_IT, which one is that? the router or the computer? that's not a valid subnet id for a /26 |
| 02:39.25 | henry_IT | how |
| 02:39.32 | sney | terron, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 02:39.43 | henry_IT | the computer |
| 02:40.09 | sney | henry_IT, ok, and the ip address of your router, or another machine on that subnet that's actually working? |
| 02:40.22 | terron | thanks sney |
| 02:40.25 | sney | np |
| 02:42.05 | henry_IT | GW 192.168.1.126 netmask 255.255.255.192 192.168.1.116 |
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| 02:43.34 | sney | ok, when you connect the cable, do you get a link light? |
| 02:43.52 | terron | now i need to figure out why deb-multimedia insists on trying to break libav |
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| 02:44.31 | henry_IT | what now |
| 02:44.31 | sney | terron, because it's deb-multimedia. |
| 02:44.45 | henry_IT | do you know the smthing peristent delete |
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| 02:45.07 | sney | henry_IT, when you connect the network cable to your computer, does a little LED come on next to the port? |
| 02:45.09 | terron | heh, is this a common thing with them? i just wanted to install mythtv, but it insists on upgrading to versions unsupported by libav-tools |
| 02:45.25 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 02:45.25 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 02:45.36 | henry_IT | yes blinking and the one is steady |
| 02:45.49 | terron | hm, am i better off building from source then? |
| 02:45.52 | terron | !why not dmm |
| 02:45.53 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 02:45.53 | RigidWig | netflix on debian, can it be done? |
| 02:45.59 | sney | RigidWig, it works ok in wine |
| 02:46.07 | RigidWig | sney, I'm seeing lots of ubuntu guides, but none for debian |
| 02:46.08 | sney | henry_IT, can you pastebin the output of 'ip a' |
| 02:46.14 | sney | RigidWig, wine is wine |
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| 02:50.02 | henry_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/222389/ |
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| 02:51.21 | sney | henry_IT, you can try installing the firmware-realtek but I think it is bad hardware |
| 02:51.42 | sney | try another cable, too. sometimes they break |
| 02:51.43 | henry_IT | how can i install |
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| 02:53.04 | sney | download from http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-realtek to a disk, put disk in your debian computer, run dpkg -i firmware-realtek-version.deb |
| 02:53.22 | henry_IT | heres my ip a http://paste.debian.net/222390/ |
| 02:55.19 | henry_IT | dnt have internet of the debian\ |
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| 02:56.02 | sney | henry_IT, I told you to put the package on a disk. like a CDR or a USB drive or something. |
| 02:56.29 | sney | henry_IT, no carrier means the cable is probably bad. |
| 02:56.40 | henry_IT | i cant find the package sney |
| 02:56.48 | nevyn | what card is it? |
| 02:56.51 | sney | r8169 |
| 02:57.03 | sney | it shouldn't need firmware but if he wants to try |
| 02:57.45 | nevyn | !r8169 |
| 02:57.45 | dpkg | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 02:58.02 | nevyn | only the wireless stuff needs firmware |
| 02:58.10 | nevyn | what's mii-tool or ethtool got to say about it? |
| 02:59.33 | sney | nevyn, some of the wired realtek junk has firmware bugfixes too |
| 02:59.39 | sney | they are really bad nics |
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| 03:02.43 | henry_IT | how can i solve this |
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| 03:02.54 | sney | henry_IT, try a different cable first |
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| 03:06.22 | zykotick9 | terron: i have been pretty successful with the mythtv package from deb-multimedia on both squeeze and now wheezy?! sorry you're experiencing something different. good luck, if you go the source route. |
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| 03:07.21 | psycode | !dpkg wheezy |
| 03:07.21 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:07.55 | henry_IT | stil dnt have |
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| 03:08.44 | sney | henry_IT, then your nic is probably broken. |
| 03:09.06 | henry_IT | this is brandnew mother board |
| 03:09.19 | sney | DOA |
| 03:09.20 | terron | !dpkg jessie |
| 03:09.20 | dpkg | The release following wheezy will be called "jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
| 03:09.36 | sney | henry_IT, good news, that means it's still in warranty. |
| 03:10.43 | henry_IT | :D |
| 03:10.50 | henry_IT | i have 2 same unit |
| 03:11.06 | henry_IT | my mobo is http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H61M_LX3_PLUS/ |
| 03:12.37 | sney | henry_IT, realtek chips are not very good and sometimes they are broken from the factory. |
| 03:12.58 | henry_IT | oh ic |
| 03:13.12 | henry_IT | thats why theirs a problem with that |
| 03:13.15 | zykotick9 | terron: are you sure that was a myth package issue? libav-tools isn't installed on my system, and "apt-cache depends mythtv* | grep libav" doesn't return anything? |
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| 03:14.44 | zykotick9 | terron: i can see why the apt-cache doesn't find anything, it's not going to deeper dependency levels... so ignore that part ;) |
| 03:15.27 | terron | zykotick9: It was a deb-multimedia issue. Doing |
| 03:15.30 | terron | !dmm pinning |
| 03:15.30 | dpkg | To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>. |
| 03:15.35 | terron | fixed it |
| 03:16.06 | zykotick9 | terron: nice. i'm not saying d-m can't cause issues, just that the myth package seem pretty decent. |
| 03:16.49 | henry_IT | can i downgrade the kernel of deb 6.06 |
| 03:17.12 | sney | why would you want to downgrade it? but no |
| 03:17.59 | henry_IT | my function is a webserver |
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| 03:18.08 | dvs | henry_IT: no, but you can try a backported one |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | he could downgrade, but that's a bad idea |
| 03:18.56 | LtL | henry_IT: give `dmesg |grep eth` a try, might give you some insight. |
| 03:19.13 | sney | yeah, I guess any of the squeeze-testing kernels could install, like a 2.6.28, but there's really no reason. |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | sney: they keep the older ones in the snapshot archives |
| 03:19.43 | henry_IT | ok w8 |
| 03:19.46 | sney | r8169 is not new hardware and it's not finicky. it works, or it's broken |
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| 03:19.58 | Towzzer | get their driver the r8168 |
| 03:20.16 | henry_IT | or else can i down grade apache2 into lower version |
| 03:20.17 | Towzzer | they have a nice installer that even disables the old driver, it's on realtek's website |
| 03:20.24 | abrotman | wait, what? |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | the kernel is broken or apache is broken? |
| 03:20.42 | sney | henry_IT, what are you really trying to do |
| 03:20.47 | henry_IT | the apache2 |
| 03:20.58 | sney | Towzzer, please don't recommend third party installers in #debian. |
| 03:21.00 | henry_IT | just to make work my webserver |
| 03:21.27 | henry_IT | i want to migrate the webserver lenny to deb 6.06 |
| 03:21.37 | henry_IT | but the problem is the apache versions |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | 6.0.6 |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | henry_IT: what is actually not working? |
| 03:21.56 | sney | henry_IT, the apache version doesn't really matter. |
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| 03:23.50 | henry_IT | so whats wrong with my webserver lenny |
| 03:24.10 | sney | it no longer has security updates. |
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| 03:24.57 | henry_IT | heres my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/222392/ |
| 03:25.06 | henry_IT | the webserver |
| 03:25.16 | henry_IT | i cant load videos in deb 6.06 |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:25.58 | henry_IT | can i down grade that i think the old modules of my webserver cant work in new apache version |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | you blame apache because you can't load videos? |
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| 03:26.17 | henry_IT | my webserver has a videos to load by a client |
| 03:26.41 | henry_IT | maybe the modules |
| 03:27.00 | henry_IT | is there any problem with this heres my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/222392/ |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | the whole dmesg would be more useful |
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| 03:27.45 | henry_IT | thats the whole |
| 03:28.11 | henry_IT | infos |
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| 03:28.20 | sney | henry_IT, he means just 'dmesg' without any grep |
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| 03:28.59 | henry_IT | ok |
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| 03:29.34 | rrra | pasa aver |
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| 03:31.54 | henry_IT | here my dmsg http://paste.debian.net/222393/ |
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| 03:34.46 | abrotman | where's the first few lines? |
| 03:36.28 | henry_IT | thats the only info sir |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:38.08 | abrotman | you're missing the first two dozen lines or so |
| 03:39.43 | henry_IT | ok2 i repeat |
| 03:41.00 | henry_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/222394/ |
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| 03:42.00 | abrotman | still missing lines |
| 03:42.12 | abrotman | more this time |
| 03:43.04 | henry_IT | wa |
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| 03:44.11 | henry_IT | can still repeat again? |
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| 03:44.52 | henry_IT | how can i copy all |
| 03:45.12 | dvs | !pastebinit |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 03:45.28 | LtL | henry_IT: dmesg > dmesg-file ; cat dmesg-file |pastebinit |
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| 03:46.00 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:46.02 | MMavipc | Is there a way to change the console mode screen resolution without a reboot? |
| 03:46.10 | dvs | dmesg | pastebinit ? |
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| 03:46.41 | abrotman | LtL: you get a demerit for that |
| 03:46.54 | sney | do they still give out the "useless use of cat" award |
| 03:47.05 | LtL | dvs: i'm wondering if he's trying to copy/paste stdout |
| 03:47.12 | dvs | !uuoc |
| 03:47.13 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 03:47.21 | LtL | argh |
| 03:47.54 | henry_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/222395/ |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | missing even *more* lines |
| 03:48.44 | abrotman | gives up, goes to bed |
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| 03:49.18 | dvs | o/ |
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| 03:52.14 | MrHatter | is there a squeeze_and_a_half ? |
| 03:52.53 | sney | MrHatter, nope |
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| 04:00.21 | JoeHazzers | through some bizzare magic, consolekit and policykit somehow manage to find themselves installed on my headless machines |
| 04:00.47 | sney | JoeHazzers, 'aptitude why' |
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| 04:05.29 | MrHatter | I have installed the latest squeeze on a mobo with AHCI which gets right through to the end of the install then fails to install grub, can you think of a reason why ? |
| 04:05.41 | MrHatter | oh, the mobo has a B75 chipset |
| 04:06.02 | MrHatter | switching to IDE mode in the bios and the driver is not in the kernel for it :( |
| 04:06.58 | sney | MrHatter, try with the kmuto installer, it has a newer kernel |
| 04:07.00 | sney | !kmuto |
| 04:07.00 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 04:08.24 | MrHatter | sney, awesome thx. |
| 04:08.54 | MrHatter | which kernel is in Wheezy ? |
| 04:08.59 | sney | ,kernels |
| 04:09.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.1-1~experimental.2); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 04:09.23 | MrHatter | thx |
| 04:09.24 | JoeHazzers | sney: thanks |
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| 04:10.28 | terron | I'm about to install mythtv, but before I do that how can I make sure my tv tuner (Hauppage WinTV-HVR-2250) is actually working properly? reading from /dev/video0, which it appears to be installed on based on dmesg's output, just returns a blue screen |
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| 04:12.14 | scottj | how come there's a /etc/acpi/undock.sh but no /etc/acpi/dock.sh? |
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| 04:13.49 | MMavipc | How do I change console screen res? I changed the grub config, but that only effected the grub screen |
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| 04:16.58 | sney | MMavipc, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition the section titled "grub 2 and the vga parameter" |
| 04:18.39 | MMavipc | sney: "I changed the grub config" |
| 04:19.00 | sney | read the whole thing |
| 04:19.26 | dsagh | hi do you know what subsystem does the installer use to recognize hw? |
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| 04:22.51 | cesurasean | hey guys. my mysql isnt working with php. what do i need to install with apt-get? |
| 04:22.59 | majuscule | Does anyone here have any experience with talk/talkd? I can never seem to successfully reconnect to a session that is lost |
| 04:23.01 | cesurasean | i think im missing something. |
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| 04:24.05 | NiLon | there is rather weird behaviour on df-command when using locales :P |
| 04:24.17 | NiLon | it will swap those depending on switch you use |
| 04:25.00 | NiLon | "df" is like it should, "df -h" is then half localized and "df -P" is then another version of that half o_O |
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| 04:28.16 | cesurasean | guys, i installed all of this stuff in this page to my chroot, but my php still can't access mysql database. what am i missing? - http://www.bin-co.com/blog/2008/09/installing-lampapache-web-serverphpmysql-in-debian/ |
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| 04:44.11 | RigidWig | is getting wine as complicated as I'm making it out to be? |
| 04:44.49 | Arrowmaster | i take it you want a recent version? |
| 04:45.00 | RigidWig | Linux SERVER 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 20 18:36:37 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 04:45.06 | RigidWig | I'm seeing all kinds of guides with different versions |
| 04:45.12 | RigidWig | and no apt-get command works |
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| 04:46.37 | Arrowmaster | so you are on wheezy? |
| 04:46.47 | RigidWig | I reckon |
| 04:47.00 | Arrowmaster | aptitude install wine |
| 04:47.10 | sney | it really is that easy. |
| 04:47.14 | Arrowmaster | that will get you wine 1.4.1 |
| 04:47.21 | RigidWig | is ther a different between apt-get and aptituyde |
| 04:47.27 | RigidWig | are they just different package managerS? |
| 04:47.49 | pfdotn | Different frontends to the dpkg package manager |
| 04:47.51 | sney | !why aptitude |
| 04:47.51 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 04:52.18 | guest48208 | whats the best way to set bots to ircd ? |
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| 04:55.22 | ry|an | Hi, is there a security focused #debian channel? |
| 04:55.42 | RigidWig | That seemed to work (for the wine part), is ther a command to enable user_axxtr (http://i.imgur.com/Lqmp3.png)? |
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| 04:56.36 | nevyn | ry|an: what do you mean by security? do you mean does the debian security team have a dedicated channel? or do you mean security in some other sense? |
| 04:57.37 | nevyn | ry|an: debian's security team has contact and other details here: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 04:58.47 | ry|an | Thanks nevyn, found my way to debian security team IRC |
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| 05:04.27 | Steven228 | Which Wi-Fi adapter features are important in case of WEP/WPA/WPA2 cracking? I guess packet injection and monitor mode? Anything else? |
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| 05:06.10 | temporarybadge | what are you cracking wep/wpa/wpa2 for? |
| 05:07.19 | Steven228 | temporarybadge, just for learning purposes. |
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| 05:15.22 | RigidWig | can anyone tell me why I get this error: http://i.imgur.com/Lqmp3.png, when my fstab looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/4zECX.png? |
| 05:16.16 | Bsims | RigidWig: not a clue off the top of my head sorry |
| 05:16.16 | ry|an | RigidWig I'd guess you want to enable xattr on / instead of /boot |
| 05:16.31 | RigidWig | ry|an i'll try that thanks |
| 05:16.40 | Bsims | is there a easy way to boot a vm as a live usb? |
| 05:17.16 | ry|an | Depends on what exactly you mean? |
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| 05:17.28 | ry|an | Do you want to run virtualization software off an USB drive? |
| 05:17.36 | ry|an | Or boot directly into a VM image |
| 05:18.08 | Bsims | ry|an: boot directly into a VM |
| 05:18.38 | ry|an | Not really any easy ways |
| 05:18.52 | Bsims | ry|an: currently lili lets you boot a live-cd as a portable image so I was kinda wondering |
| 05:18.53 | ry|an | of course you could convert the files in the VM into some sort of a bootable image |
| 05:19.18 | ry|an | Ubuntu only, right? |
| 05:19.31 | ry|an | Pretty sure that's the distro saving its stuff on the USB drive |
| 05:19.37 | ry|an | instead of virtualization |
| 05:20.32 | Bsims | ry|an: actually it works with anything on its list... currently using mint on the thumbdrive in persistent mode, but would prefer straight Debian |
| 05:20.59 | ry|an | Well, I took a quick look and it does exactly what I said |
| 05:21.08 | ry|an | but yeah, you could just install your distro on the USB drive as you would install it on a hard drive |
| 05:21.33 | Bsims | grins Ok... twas an idea |
| 05:21.54 | Bsims | its rare I boot off of it, mostly just use the VM |
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| 05:23.13 | Steven228 | Is most of the "draft 802.11n" hardware copatible with now official IEEE 802.11n hardware? Or has anyone seen compatibility issues here? |
| 05:24.04 | Bsims | Steven228: I've not heard any real complaints... |
| 05:25.05 | Steven228 | Bsims, yes. Me too. |
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| 05:29.46 | MMavipc | I just installed sid, holy shit gnome 3 is shit |
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| 05:30.06 | Arrowmaster | MMavipc: try cinnamon |
| 05:30.11 | peterrooney | MMavipc: and this surprises you how? |
| 05:30.40 | zash | or XFCE |
| 05:31.05 | peterrooney | ...or e16 |
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| 05:33.08 | MMavipc | what are all of those things? |
| 05:33.11 | MMavipc | I'm a win32 noob |
| 05:33.38 | MMavipc | !dpkg cinnamon |
| 05:33.38 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged in <unstable>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
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| 05:34.28 | MMavipc | after I aptitude install cinnamon, how do I make it default and/or start it? |
| 05:34.45 | sney | you can choose it at your login screen. |
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| 05:43.37 | Guest16300 | is kernel 3.6.0 stable? |
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| 05:47.39 | engla | 3.6.11 ought to be stabler |
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| 05:48.24 | Guest16300 | I know it is stabler |
| 05:48.58 | Guest16300 | the even minor version is stable release , isn't it? |
| 05:49.45 | Guest16300 | what's EOL? |
| 05:49.48 | Guest16300 | means? |
| 05:50.01 | Guest16300 | end of life what? |
| 05:50.03 | engla | no more patches |
| 05:51.46 | ry|an | basically it translates to "holy fuck dont use this anymore anywhere" |
| 05:52.09 | Guest16300 | really? |
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| 05:52.37 | engla | no |
| 05:52.39 | Guest16300 | then why display that version on the first page of kernel org |
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| 06:02.48 | MMavipc | is there a way to actually use the fucking desktop on cinnamon or is it the same bullshit as default gnome3 |
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| 06:04.29 | trist4n | nah you cant use the desktop on cinamon buddy |
| 06:05.58 | MMavipc | fuckin' gnome had to take something good and ruin it |
| 06:08.37 | MMavipc | !dpkg nemo |
| 06:08.53 | MMavipc | !dpkg Nemo is a complete fork of Nautilus 3.4 and its goal is to extend the Cinnamon user experience to desktop and file management. |
| 06:08.54 | dpkg | okay, MMavipc |
| 06:08.58 | MMavipc | !dpkg nemo |
| 06:08.58 | dpkg | i heard nemo is a complete fork of Nautilus 3.4 and its goal is to extend the Cinnamon user experience to desktop and file management. |
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| 06:47.41 | Administrator_ | . |
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| 06:50.14 | fizzledPOP | is Smoothwall still safe? |
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| 06:54.26 | MMavipc | I'm trying to compile nemo from source, but I'm getting "no package 'gnome-desktop-3.0' found", only problem is I can't find a package with that name, I've tried googling but I can only find people with the same problem as me, but without solutions. |
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| 06:58.51 | thieh | Question: after log into the KDE session, the session-start sound loops indefinitely (stuttering) [also happening to other system sounds]. Is there a way I can work around that? |
| 07:01.02 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 07:01.10 | HardDisk_WP | a friend runs ubuntu, i run debian |
| 07:01.28 | HardDisk_WP | he's on a NAT router, no way to portforward, and I need to see his screen |
| 07:02.10 | trist4n | reverse ssh tunnel |
| 07:03.05 | HardDisk_WP | ok, how do I set this one up? |
| 07:04.19 | KsM | ssh -R 222:localhost:22 remote |
| 07:04.39 | KsM | him running that command, remote being your IP/server/etc |
| 07:05.12 | HardDisk_WP | and then, what to do for X forward? |
| 07:05.16 | cadfael | Question: I use macchanger to change the MAC address for my wifi on wlan0. And it works okay as it should. I also have a friend using macchanger, who is having no success with it - the MAC duz not change. My question here is : is the ability to change your MAC somehow dependant on the driver for ur wifi? Or dependant on some attribute of the kernel config? Thx. |
| 07:05.17 | KsM | and 222 is the port you will connect to, and 22 is the port that will be forwarded, etc. |
| 07:05.41 | KsM | er, 222 on your machine will be like 22 on his machine, etc |
| 07:06.15 | KsM | HardDisk_WP: well there's vnc for linux |
| 07:06.46 | HardDisk_WP | any quick setup? |
| 07:07.29 | KsM | shrug, never really used vnc because all my remote stuff is usually via commandline |
| 07:08.19 | HardDisk_WP | meh. |
| 07:08.43 | HardDisk_WP | point is I need to help a friend install a NSLU2 with a debian lenny (5.0.4) installer |
| 07:09.08 | HardDisk_WP | but the installer tries to fetch "stable" from server - which is squeeze |
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| 07:09.30 | HardDisk_WP | what is a as-foolproof-way-as-possible to make the installer use "oldstable" as source? |
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| 07:11.20 | somiaj | HardDisk_WP: what installer are you using? |
| 07:11.29 | somiaj | HardDisk_WP: netinstall, cd1? |
| 07:11.35 | HardDisk_WP | debian-5.0.4 custom NSLU2 flash |
| 07:11.44 | HardDisk_WP | that's an embedded device we're talking about |
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| 07:11.56 | HardDisk_WP | 32MB of RAM, no debian 6 installer available due to this |
| 07:12.03 | somiaj | HardDisk_WP: well with the netinstall or cd1, they won't put the correct sources for lenny. What you will want to do install a minimal base system (skip the taskel part of install additional software) |
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| 07:12.29 | somiaj | HardDisk_WP: after you get the base system installed, manually put in the right sources, rerun tasksel or just install the packages you want with apt |
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| 07:12.56 | HardDisk_WP | somiaj, he cant even get to the base installer - it fails at choosing the APT repository |
| 07:13.13 | somiaj | skip the network step |
| 07:13.17 | somiaj | and that step if you can |
| 07:13.27 | HardDisk_WP | it's an embedded system |
| 07:13.29 | HardDisk_WP | no way out |
| 07:13.55 | HardDisk_WP | can I set up on my own server an APT repository that acts like Lenny would still be stable?! |
| 07:13.56 | somiaj | well sounds like you have a special setup, try a custom preseed to meet your desires? |
| 07:14.09 | HardDisk_WP | it is an embedded system, no way to change the flash imahe |
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| 07:14.13 | somiaj | or can you install it with debootstrap from a live system |
| 07:14.27 | HardDisk_WP | it was hard enough to get the BINARY of that installer, no way for the source |
| 07:14.38 | HardDisk_WP | hehe, how? there is no other system on this device |
| 07:14.47 | HardDisk_WP | the 8MB flash are fully taken up by the installer |
| 07:14.58 | somiaj | yea I don't know what to say, the installer was not designed for archive.debian.org. |
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| 07:46.03 | zzing | Is there anything that is dependant on 'su' on a debian server? I want to get rid of it as a security risk as anyone can use it or attempt to use it. |
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| 07:47.17 | gnarface | zzing: the alternative (allowing users to log in remotely as root) is much less secure. don't do it. nobody trustworthy or respectable will help you with this mad plan of yours. |
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| 07:48.04 | ry|an | That is not exactly true |
| 07:48.06 | zzing | gnarface, that is not the alternative I had in mind. The alternative is sudo that I can explicitly limit access to it. |
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| 07:48.28 | ry|an | zzing you will hardly gain any security by disabling sudo |
| 07:48.31 | ry|an | hfdjhä |
| 07:48.32 | ry|an | I mean |
| 07:48.34 | ry|an | disabling su |
| 07:48.42 | ry|an | or deleting |
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| 07:49.01 | zzing | su doesn't support the wheel group because of RMS' political views. That is the problem I have with it. |
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| 07:49.22 | zzing | I want to prevent anyone from using the root password unless they are on the physical console which is behind physical security. |
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| 07:50.03 | gnarface | i'm sure there are at least 3 better ways to do it than deleting core system components |
| 07:50.10 | gnarface | considered virtualization? |
| 07:50.20 | sirToast | how about removing the suid bit? |
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| 07:50.47 | zzing | sirToast, will an update to coreutils undo that? |
| 07:51.01 | sirToast | there are probably a thousand other local security holes anyway |
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| 07:51.20 | sirToast | you can easily undo it yourself |
| 07:51.39 | zzing | sirToast, there may be, but this is one I happen to know about. |
| 07:51.41 | gnarface | also, zzing i thought that all of linux doesn't support wheel, and it has nothing to do with RMS, its just that is a BSD convention .... |
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| 07:51.51 | zzing | gnarface, we are considering virtualization. |
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| 07:52.34 | zzing | gnarface, it has everything to do with RMS, it is in the manpage: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/su-invocation.html#index-wheel-group_002c-not-supported-2315 (at end) |
| 07:52.40 | gnarface | zzing: well i'd recommend vservers as pretty awesome once you are familiar with some common workarounds, but they won't be in wheezy i hear, so unfortunately you may be stuck with something... less efficient |
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| 07:53.16 | sirToast | oh ofc you meant will an update to coreutils undo it without you knowing it |
| 07:53.19 | sirToast | maybe |
| 07:53.19 | zzing | gnarface, the thing we are testing right now I believe is openvz through proxmox |
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| 07:55.23 | dgriffi | has anyone here been able to successfully mount a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 to a Wheezy box? |
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| 08:01.39 | dgriffi | anyone have a galaxy tab2 7.0? I can't get it to connect despite the howtos on this. The connection process just stalls. |
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| 08:02.30 | dgriffi | I understand that the mtpfs package is buggy, so I tried gmpt and jmtpfs. they all stall out |
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| 08:15.37 | dgriffi | anyone here know mtp stuff? having problems with a galaxy tab2 |
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| 08:16.05 | TestModule | dgriffi, should be fine |
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| 08:16.15 | TestModule | I use my Galaxy Nexus in MTP all the time on Debian |
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| 08:16.47 | TestModule | I have my FM settings to automount though, so not sure if that has anything to do with it |
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| 08:17.47 | dgriffi | TestModule: my problem is that I cannot mount it. mtpfs, jmtpfs, and gmtp all stall when attemping to connect |
| 08:18.10 | TestModule | Is USB debugging on? |
| 08:18.12 | TestModule | it should be |
| 08:18.16 | TestModule | on the android device |
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| 08:19.46 | dgriffi | TestModule: okay, USB debugging is on. running jmtpfs... stalled. |
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| 08:20.53 | dgriffi | TestModule: killed jmtpfs.. trying "mtpfs -o allow_other /media/tab" |
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| 08:21.02 | TestModule | http://man.cx/mount |
| 08:21.03 | dgriffi | TestModule: stalled |
| 08:22.01 | TestModule | Just curious, what DE and FM are you using? |
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| 08:22.46 | TestModule | BTW have you tried sudo-ing? |
| 08:22.50 | dgriffi | TestModule: define "DE" and "FM" |
| 08:22.52 | TestModule | Many times this requires root |
| 08:22.55 | dgriffi | sudo doesn't help |
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| 08:22.58 | TestModule | desktop environment and firemanager |
| 08:23.02 | TestModule | file* |
| 08:23.30 | dgriffi | I'm using mate and a shell session to work with files |
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| 08:24.09 | TestModule | I use this on my GN on Deb sometimes: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.stickmount |
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| 08:24.44 | zznhello | hey boys! |
| 08:24.55 | zznhello | anyone wabt to write a kernel? |
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| 08:25.00 | dgriffi | clarification... mtpfs -o allow_other /media/tab does work, but attempting to access /media/tab will cause a hang... much like when a sshfs mount goes stale. |
| 08:25.02 | zznhello | anyone want to write a kernel? |
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| 08:25.11 | dgriffi | zznhello: not at the moment |
| 08:25.11 | temporarybadge | lol |
| 08:25.14 | TestModule | lol |
| 08:25.49 | TestModule | zznhello, sure... make a deb kernel on 3.4 using the linaro toolchain and cross-compile for the A10 allwinner. |
| 08:25.56 | TestModule | Have fun and let me know! ;) |
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| 08:26.03 | zznhello | l o l ? hero union? |
| 08:26.16 | henry_IT | how can i downgrade apache2 in deb 6.06 |
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| 08:26.46 | temporarybadge | confused |
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| 08:27.05 | zznhello | what are you doing now? |
| 08:27.19 | temporarybadge | not writing a kernel |
| 08:27.21 | jelly-home | henry_IT: downgrade to which version? |
| 08:27.33 | dgriffi | TestModule: so, is this supposed to more or less work? I've seen some references to mtpfs being buggy and the tab2 tablets having some sort of problem. |
| 08:27.59 | TestModule | It's not the tab2, it's in general every device that handles the android partitions in that way, ie/no sd card |
| 08:28.08 | TestModule | same crap on the galaxy nexus, but that program works |
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| 08:28.53 | dgriffi | TestModule: so the mtp stuff available for Linux in general are crap? |
| 08:29.09 | TestModule | well, i mean... you can do it but |
| 08:29.11 | TestModule | hours of work |
| 08:29.30 | TestModule | it's easier to change on the android side |
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| 08:29.49 | TestModule | i do have one rom that works with MTP on linux, it's the SlimROM series |
| 08:29.54 | TestModule | with airkernel |
| 08:30.01 | TestModule | but again that's a specific case use |
| 08:30.11 | TestModule | it's easier just to get the program to mount as USB i believe |
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| 08:30.20 | TestModule | because it can automount |
| 08:30.33 | dgriffi | TestModule: you mean as a mass storage device? |
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| 08:30.40 | TestModule | yes |
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| 08:30.53 | dgriffi | I thought that was excised from android |
| 08:31.00 | TestModule | Check it out, brah ;) |
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| 08:31.20 | henry_IT | downgrade to 2.2.9 |
| 08:31.35 | henry_IT | is apache2 also with php5 and perl |
| 08:31.42 | tapout | why would... egrep '^[^ ]+' go way faster than .. awk '/^[ ]+/' ... ? I thought they would be like roughly in the same speed as each other |
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| 08:32.42 | jelly-home | henry_IT: no easy way. If you have to, you can set up a Debian 5 chroot with debootstrap, and run that old (also, unsupported) apache in there |
| 08:32.44 | TestModule | in general, yes, but not really Linux' fault |
| 08:32.48 | dgriffi | TestModule: do I have to mount an SD card in order to use mass storage on this thing? |
| 08:32.51 | jelly-home | ,v apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 08:32.52 | judd | Package: apache2-mpm-prefork on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; sid: 2.2.22-12; wheezy: 2.2.22-12; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
| 08:32.59 | TestModule | no, but hold on, get this |
| 08:33.51 | henry_IT | my problem is in debian 5 i cant run my built in ethernet card |
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| 08:34.07 | dgriffi | another thing I'd like to do with this is jailbreak it, but I lack a Windows machine |
| 08:34.08 | TestModule | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1389375 |
| 08:34.18 | temporarybadge | what is your built in ethernet card? |
| 08:34.21 | TestModule | not needed, check xda |
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| 08:34.34 | jelly-home | henry_IT: a chroot environment won't change the working kernel |
| 08:34.38 | dgriffi | TestModule: a different thread from what you posted? |
| 08:34.43 | TestModule | yes |
| 08:34.46 | TestModule | that is just an app |
| 08:34.59 | TestModule | just search for xda galaxy tab 2 root |
| 08:35.05 | TestModule | in google |
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| 08:35.41 | TestModule | You need to be rooted either way, really. |
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| 08:36.17 | jelly-home | henry_IT: investigate schroot and debootstrap. |
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| 08:37.36 | jelly-home | (or fix the application requirining old apache and make it run in Debian 6, but that's outside the scope of your initial question) |
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| 08:38.22 | dgriffi | TestModule: I know it needs to be rooted for other reasons as well, but can I do it without a windows machine? |
| 08:38.43 | TestModule | yes you can |
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| 08:39.09 | dgriffi | everything I see references a windows program called "odin" |
| 08:39.41 | TestModule | Your google-foo is weak |
| 08:39.49 | TestModule | google galaxy tab 2 root linux |
| 08:39.59 | TestModule | i don't know which specific sub-model so |
| 08:40.02 | TestModule | take your pick |
| 08:40.32 | HardDisk_WP | Can someone please tell me a Debian archive server still treating Lenny as stable? |
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| 08:40.52 | dcpc007 | hello |
| 08:41.14 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: there is none |
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| 08:41.41 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, any way to obtain a signed Release file where it says Suite: stable for lenny? |
| 08:41.53 | dcpc007 | does someone know how to "stock" a user/pwd for posgresql to use it with psql via scripts ? |
| 08:42.04 | dcpc007 | (like the .my.cnf for MySql) |
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| 08:42.18 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: only if you make one yourself |
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| 08:42.34 | HardDisk_WP | need to convince an old Lenny installer hardcoded to using "stable" that Lenny is stable, not Squeeze |
| 08:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, tried by editing Release and deleting Release.gpg, didnt work |
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| 08:43.58 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: I mean create your own signed file on your own mirror, and add that key to apt |
| 08:44.17 | HardDisk_WP | how to do the signing? |
| 08:44.43 | jelly-home | presumably with gpg |
| 08:45.03 | henry_IT | how to investigate that |
| 08:45.43 | dgriffi | TestModule: so, what's the overall problem with mtp not working? |
| 08:46.06 | TestModule | For you? Not sure |
| 08:46.13 | jelly-home | henry_IT: huh? Install them and read the manuals and docs under /usr/share/doc/packagename; use a web search engine to read additional information. |
| 08:46.19 | TestModule | In general? Android on non-SD devices |
| 08:46.42 | henry_IT | i cant use apt-get install update |
| 08:46.48 | dgriffi | TestModule: I'm not sure why SD or not should matter |
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| 08:47.06 | TestModule | Prob has to do with control of the filesystems IMHO |
| 08:47.11 | TestModule | but i don't know |
| 08:47.23 | TestModule | IE/ both devices controlling a single block |
| 08:48.17 | dgriffi | TestModule: I understand that the complications of two hosts talking to one device is why MTP was chosen |
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| 08:48.43 | TestModule | Theory =/= practice |
| 08:48.50 | dgriffi | TestModule: but the wisdom of switching to that when MTP isn't entirely hashed out on the desktop side is a bit puzzling |
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| 08:49.51 | dgriffi | interesting... the heimdall package provide nothing with which to compile the front-end |
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| 08:56.40 | dgriffi | $ sudo heimdall detect |
| 08:56.42 | dgriffi | Failed to detect compatible download-mode device |
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| 09:01.38 | n0body | hello o/ |
| 09:02.41 | dgriffi | TestModule: is there anything special I need to do for heimdall to detect a plugged-in tablet? |
| 09:02.58 | Zerobeholder | sometimes you need to lsusb |
| 09:03.13 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: it shows up there |
| 09:03.20 | Zerobeholder | then set the something rules |
| 09:03.29 | Zerobeholder | can't remember BRB |
| 09:03.35 | TestModule | No idea, i've never used it |
| 09:03.44 | TestModule | adb tools probably |
| 09:04.06 | dgriffi | I'm still downloading that |
| 09:04.21 | dgriffi | maybe there's something in there I need before heimdall will work. |
| 09:04.39 | n0body | i need some help cause im actually lost trying to istall deb into a uefi system only, what partitions i need to make in order to install correctly grub2 in uefi mode? in a normal setup i have /sda1 as boot, sda2 as swap, sda3 as / and sda4 for my home, where sda1 is ext2, sda2 swap and sda3/4 ext4, what do i need to change in order to boot in uefi mode? |
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| 09:04.54 | Zerobeholder | dgriffi: /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 09:05.37 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: I installed a 98-gtab.rules in there from one of the howto postings |
| 09:05.39 | Zerobeholder | there are settings that need to go into there if your tablet wasn't readily recognized. --my nexus7 wasn't recognized either :< |
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| 09:06.05 | Zerobeholder | Ah, then I think you just need the ADB tools. |
| 09:06.20 | Zerobeholder | Let me look on my blog and see what else I did. |
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| 09:07.51 | Zerobeholder | http://blog.rustbeltrebellion.com/2011/05/breaking-my-android-tablet-for-fun-and.html |
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| 09:08.16 | Trewas | nexus 7 works with gmtp in ubuntu 12.10 without having to do anything else, but that ubuntu release is in some parts quite a bit newer than wheezy |
| 09:08.18 | Zerobeholder | That is what I had to do to get my Zenithink ZT-180 hooked up to my old laptop. |
| 09:08.20 | goofus | where to get samba4 .debs for squeeze? |
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| 09:11.33 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: okay, found the 90-android.rules from your blog. restarted udev. let's see what that did |
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| 09:11.49 | dgriffi | squidoo... still doesn't detect |
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| 09:12.57 | Zerobeholder | How did you install ADB? |
| 09:13.19 | Zerobeholder | Can you connect to other devices? Have you turned on ADB development in your device? |
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| 09:14.17 | Zerobeholder | Is the USB cable both DATA and Power? Some just supply power on two conductors. In that case the cord is a lie! |
| 09:14.43 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: I'm using the cable that came with the device |
| 09:15.03 | dgriffi | lsusb tells me things about the device, so I'm positive it's not a power-only cord |
| 09:15.30 | BadCodSmell | Does debian 6 support multiarch? |
| 09:15.39 | dgriffi | not sure where the ADB development option is on this. turned on USB debugging, but that doesn't help |
| 09:15.57 | Zerobeholder | USB debugging... |
| 09:16.05 | Zerobeholder | Hmmm... |
| 09:16.14 | Zerobeholder | Other devices connect? |
| 09:16.36 | dgriffi | I have no other devices |
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| 09:16.55 | dgriffi | "adb devices" showed this: |
| 09:17.00 | dgriffi | List of devices attached |
| 09:17.00 | dgriffi | c0808ac006128af device |
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| 09:17.14 | Zerobeholder | I was able to connect without rooting, so unless your device is that much different than mine-- |
| 09:17.17 | dgriffi | heimdall still fails |
| 09:17.30 | Zerobeholder | Well, you are configured correctly. |
| 09:17.40 | Zerobeholder | ADB connect fails? |
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| 09:17.47 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: ADB works |
| 09:17.53 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: or seems to |
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| 09:17.59 | BadCodSmell | Does debian 6 support multiarch? |
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| 09:18.51 | Zerobeholder | What was the issue? |
| 09:18.54 | jelly-home | BadCodSmell: no, 7 is going to. |
| 09:19.24 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: no idea. "adb devices" works. "heimdall detect" doesn't. |
| 09:19.56 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: what I'm trying to accomplish here is 1) mount it through MTP and 2) root it. |
| 09:20.11 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: the device is a Samsung Galaxy tab 2 7.0 |
| 09:20.56 | jelly-home | iio |
| 09:20.56 | jelly-home | oi |
| 09:21.08 | BadCodSmell | Does 6 have any potential support for running something 32bit under otherwise 64bit at all? |
| 09:21.08 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: when I try to mount it, it either stalls straight away, or mounts, but when I access the mountpoint, it stall then... much like a stale sshfs mount |
| 09:22.03 | Zerobeholder | You should be able to push and pull through ADB-- well at least pull. |
| 09:22.31 | Zerobeholder | I went the route of sideloading stuff and letting those .apks do the dirty work. |
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| 09:23.21 | Zerobeholder | I assume you want to mount and possibly repartition and ... and ... and ... rooted goodness ... profit. |
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| 09:23.34 | Zerobeholder | What tutorial are you following? |
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| 09:24.39 | dgriffi | http://kobablog.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/connecting-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-via-adb-on-ubuntu/ |
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| 09:25.09 | dgriffi | I see no debian-specific tutorials, so I figured I'd use this |
| 09:25.30 | dgriffi | wait a sec |
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| 09:26.36 | dgriffi | http://askubuntu.com/questions/186681/getting-mtp-to-work-with-a-galaxy-tab-2-7-0 |
| 09:26.45 | dgriffi | started with this one. |
| 09:27.20 | dgriffi | mtp-detect stalls |
| 09:27.24 | Zerobeholder | kid is screaming brb |
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| 09:28.09 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: standing by |
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| 09:32.19 | guest9402 | how to replace all equal words in some file by other new word ? |
| 09:32.37 | dgriffi | guest9402: use sed |
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| 09:33.00 | Zerobeholder | nice that the little guy is peeing in the toilet and not his drawers, but still sounds like he's getting worked over by a serial killer when he wakes up to make wee wee |
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| 09:33.11 | guest9402 | dgriffi: thx |
| 09:33.19 | dgriffi | sed s/oldword/newword/g myfile > newfile |
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| 09:33.58 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: cousin's kid is a bit like that. throws a fit when it's diaper time, but is not ready for the potty yet |
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| 09:34.35 | dgriffi | guest9402: read up about other fun things to do with sed |
| 09:35.05 | guest9402 | dgriffi: thank you |
| 09:35.42 | guest9402 | could u tell me more handling text commands? |
| 09:35.50 | guest9402 | awk |
| 09:35.57 | guest9402 | I need study it |
| 09:36.03 | guest9402 | =( |
| 09:36.26 | dgriffi | guest: the "sed and awk" book from Oreilly are very good things to keep handy |
| 09:36.36 | Zerobeholder | sudo apt-get install mtp-tools mtpfs |
| 09:36.52 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: already done |
| 09:37.04 | Jimmothy | heh i have that book and ive misplaced it |
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| 09:37.12 | guest9402 | dgriffi: and some book to advice me of this? |
| 09:37.17 | Jimmothy | i have all the time in the world this week to give it a thorough read too |
| 09:37.24 | Zerobeholder | This page has people saying it works-- but it is Ubuntu... http://askubuntu.com/questions/87667/getting-mtp-to-work-with-a-galaxy-nexus/88630#88630 |
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| 09:37.44 | dgriffi | guest9402: "sed and auk" and "Mastering Regular Expressions"... both from OReilly |
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| 09:38.17 | guest9402 | dgriffi: thank you very much |
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| 09:39.26 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: that version of libmtp is older than the version packaged for Wheezy |
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| 09:39.50 | Zerobeholder | Oh, are you on wheezy> |
| 09:39.52 | Zerobeholder | ? |
| 09:39.54 | dgriffi | yes |
| 09:40.52 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: it has 1.1.3, so I'd expect that whatever bug they're referring to has been fixed by then |
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| 09:42.37 | dgriffi | I wonder if I remove the package and try 1.1.1 |
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| 09:45.37 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: okay, trying that... mtp-detect still stalls out |
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| 09:51.49 | Zerobeholder | Sorry, you're getting into stuff that is over my head. One person mentioned restarting the box and the tablet and stuff working. Restarted either recently? |
| 09:52.17 | dgriffi | yep |
| 09:53.23 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 09:53.46 | d3xter | with my new laptop i've got random freezes on debian wheezy. any hints where to look for an error message or something= |
| 09:54.04 | Zerobeholder | d3xter: /var/log |
| 09:54.30 | Zerobeholder | If I were smarter I could tell you which file to look in. |
| 09:54.32 | gugaua | Hello i´ve got a raspberry pi and i am using pyload as a download manager but if a want to download something from the webui i get an error can s.o. help me or do i need to go to the raspberrypi channel? |
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| 09:55.03 | d3xter | Zerobeholder: i've looked through several log files in /var/log, but nothing special in there :) |
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| 09:55.13 | gugaua | i am using Raspbian |
| 09:55.42 | Zerobeholder | bad news I am creeping up on bedtime and my noodle is getting fuzzy, that and I don't know anything about python except that there is a django CMS I want to know better. |
| 09:55.45 | dgriffi | d3xter: look for "oops" or "panic" |
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| 09:56.05 | Zerobeholder | cd /var/log |
| 09:56.15 | Zerobeholder | grep -R oops * |
| 09:56.25 | Zerobeholder | grep -R panic * |
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| 09:56.53 | Zerobeholder | I bet there is a way to combine those, but I'm tired. |
| 09:57.25 | d3xter | dgriffi: no oopses and only "drm: registered panic notifier" |
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| 09:58.11 | SubaruSVX | drm is to protect the users d3xter |
| 09:58.14 | SubaruSVX | from themselves |
| 09:58.28 | SubaruSVX | we need more of it |
| 09:58.29 | d3xter | ^^ |
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| 10:00.26 | boudiccas | !raspbian |
| 10:00.26 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 10:00.40 | dgriffi | Zerobeholder: I'm experiencing exactly the symptoms as described in http://askubuntu.com/questions/186681/getting-mtp-to-work-with-a-galaxy-tab-2-7-0 but none of the suggested remedies work |
| 10:00.59 | d3xter | seems like other users had also random freezes with ivy bridge |
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| 10:01.59 | SubaruSVX | well that's what they get for using intel |
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| 10:02.27 | boudiccas | gugaua: you're best off going to the raspbian channel for support, good luck |
| 10:02.48 | gugaua | ty |
| 10:02.59 | boudiccas | gugaua: you're welcome |
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| 10:07.55 | Trewas | d3xter: a newer kernel seems to help for ivy bridge crashes |
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| 10:11.10 | sephii | d3xter: i've had random crashes with an ivy bridge cpu, I upgraded from 3.2 to 3.6 and it solved everything |
| 10:11.32 | d3xter | sephii: really? alright, then i'll try 3.6 |
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| 10:13.21 | sephii | d3xter: i didn't follow the whole conversation but i had complete freezes (even the magic keys didn't work) with nothing in the logs (syslog, xorg.log) |
| 10:13.35 | d3xter | sephii: like i do |
| 10:13.49 | d3xter | sephii: even the caps lock led doesn't light up |
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| 10:14.38 | sephii | d3xter: didn't try that since it was a laptop that doesn't have a light on the caps lock key, but i guess you're facing the same issue as i did |
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| 10:17.00 | d3xter | sephii: you installed kernel from source? |
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| 10:28.17 | sephii | d3xter: yes and built it with make-kpkg, I more or less followed the guide here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 10:29.31 | sephii | d3xter: the instructions are the same for testing except for the --revision arg in make-kpkg, you need to put the version number before the name of your kernel (eg. 1.0.custom) |
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| 10:37.41 | Apachez | <markovh> http://pastebin.com/tCcJe6KF debian wiki got hacked - they got hashes but no priv esc |
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| 10:52.27 | d3xter | does make-kpkg create a package from a vanilla kernel source? |
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| 10:53.06 | gnarface | it will, if you tell it to |
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| 10:53.37 | gnarface | it does not take care of downloading for you; it will build whatever kernel source you point it at |
| 10:53.55 | dgriffi | there have got to be other people fighting with a galaxy tab2, so I'm taking this to stackoverflow |
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| 10:54.55 | babilen | d3xter: I would recommend using the deb-pkg make target as detailed on http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html -- 3.2 with a bunch of patches is in backports, why do you want to build your own kernel? |
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| 10:56.32 | fish_ | hi |
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| 10:58.09 | fish_ | I need to create a custom kernel which should be installed during install. I can create a deb with make-kpkg upload it to our local debian mirror and use it in the pkgsel preseed section. problem is: it seems that it doesn't create a initrd |
| 10:58.17 | sephii | babilen: because <3.6 kernels seem to cause some ivy bridge cpus to freeze randomly |
| 10:58.51 | fish_ | I ran make-kpkg with initrd and after extracting the control files from the deb, I see in the postinst it has set my $initrd = "YES"; |
| 10:59.25 | babilen | sephii: And d3xter hopes that a 3.7 kernel fixes that? |
| 10:59.51 | fish_ | maybe I'm still missing something? unfortunately the only error I see is that the kernel doesn't boot after install due to unknown rootfs (rootfs = xfs, built as module so I guess it's the initrd which is missing)O |
| 11:00.20 | sephii | babilen: I had the same issue as him and upgrading to 3.6 from 3.2 did the trick |
| 11:00.53 | babilen | sephii: Any idea if that bug has been reported? That issue very much looks like one that should be fixed (if possible) for wheezy |
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| 11:01.18 | fish_ | from what I understand, the initrd is build via the postinst script but needs some hooks in /etc/kernel - I'm not sure if they are available in the installer.. but I guess so.. so you see a lot of unclear stuff.. |
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| 11:03.39 | sephii | babilen: I remember there was a discussion on the mailing list about that, but I don't know if the bug was reported or not. I could check and create one if necessary, I just don't know against what package the bug should be filled. linux-image-3.2?) |
| 11:03.54 | babilen | fish_: AFAICT simply using the deb-pkg make target is the way to go these days (cf. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html) -- That being said: make-kpkg takes a --initrd option is you want/need an initramfs |
| 11:04.17 | babilen | sephii: I remember the discussion, but can't find it right now. Do you happen to have the message-id ? |
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| 11:04.47 | babilen | sephii: The linux-2.6 source package or the actual kernel package are both fine I guess |
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| 11:05.58 | fish_ | babilen: ah thanks.. okay so I got that right.. so maybe there is another reason why the kernel isn't booting.. |
| 11:07.01 | sephii | babilen: i think it's this one Message-ID: <CAOmEnKt2GRJ+zr15kZBF_g=JLh9pnWpUiyciJZ7jZ8VZZKvgUQ@mail.gmail.com> |
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| 11:08.44 | babilen | sephii: Hmm, no. That might be the -user discussion, but I don't read that ML anymore. Support for *-bridge on 3.2 kernels for wheezy has been discussed on -devel (or another dev ML) recently, but my cursory search didn't yield any results. Thanks for the help though. Lets see if a bug like that has been filed. |
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| 11:10.24 | d3xter | babilen: there's a bug on the debian bug tracker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689268 |
| 11:10.46 | babilen | d3xter: Splendid! thank you :) |
| 11:12.55 | babilen | d3xter: Are you using wheezy or squeeze with a backported kernel? |
| 11:13.17 | d3xter | babilen: i'm using wheezy. i'm compiling a vanilla kernel atm |
| 11:13.28 | d3xter | make-kpkg doesn't seem to work on 3.6 vanilla source |
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| 11:14.05 | babilen | d3xter: That is completely unnecessary. You can easily pull 3.7 from experimental - and as mentioned earlier: make-kpkg has been deprecated and you should use the deb-pkg make target as discussed in the kernel-handbook |
| 11:14.25 | babilen | also reminds d3xter or the existence of #debian-next :) |
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| 11:16.18 | d3xter | babilen: you mean the linux-image-3.7 from experimental? |
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| 11:17.25 | babilen | d3xter: I am, in particular, referring to linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 |
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| 11:18.16 | d3xter | babilen: already tried 3.5 from experimental, but it seems like its missing the "samsung_laptop" module |
| 11:18.25 | d3xter | which i need for my laptop :) |
| 11:18.26 | theunixfreak | SiDz, which version do you use? |
| 11:18.41 | theunixfreak | SiDz, I meant your deb version |
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| 11:19.05 | theunixfreak | d3xter, trying to make your function keys work? |
| 11:19.40 | theunixfreak | d3xter, I have a samsung N148p, face the same problem |
| 11:19.42 | d3xter | theunixfreak: it works with the samsung_laptop module |
| 11:19.54 | d3xter | theunixfreak: what kernel are you running? |
| 11:20.14 | babilen | d3xter: Hmm, lets see |
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| 11:20.46 | theunixfreak | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:21.04 | theunixfreak | d3xter, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:21.31 | d3xter | theunixfreak: you could try compiling/installing this module: https://github.com/iksaif/samsung-laptop-dkms |
| 11:21.55 | d3xter | this module worked for me on 3.2 |
| 11:22.01 | theunixfreak | hmm |
| 11:22.07 | theunixfreak | d3xter, thanks brother |
| 11:22.17 | babilen | d3xter: samsung-module is enabled in the Debian kernels |
| 11:22.19 | d3xter | because samsung_laptop module included in linux 3.2 isn't working well with series 9 |
| 11:22.27 | babilen | theunixfreak: Which processor is in that computer? |
| 11:22.45 | theunixfreak | babilen, Atom N550 |
| 11:23.11 | theunixfreak | babilen, it has two cores, but is not screeching fast, gets the jobs done :) |
| 11:23.49 | babilen | theunixfreak: I would strongly recommend to at least use Debian's 3.2 kernel in backports for that hardware -- Follow "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for instructions. You can then try the out-of-tree kernel module pointed out by d3xter |
| 11:24.26 | babilen | d3xter: Do you know if /that/ (i.e. the samsung_laptop) bug been reported? |
| 11:24.30 | theunixfreak | babilen, is there any performance incriment? |
| 11:24.45 | theunixfreak | babilen, i am not worried about safety very much |
| 11:24.59 | babilen | d3xter: I've just checked the 3.7-trunk config and it has "CONFIG_SAMSUNG_LAPTOP=m" |
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| 11:25.22 | sneex | why would 3.2.0-4-686-pae vary so greatly from 3.2.0-3-686-pae? My monitor will not work unless mouse is moved for 3.2.0-4-686-pae -- weird :P |
| 11:25.26 | babilen | theunixfreak: This has nothing to do with security, but with support for your hardware |
| 11:25.47 | theunixfreak | babilen, does this increase speed? |
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| 11:26.15 | babilen | theunixfreak: No idea |
| 11:26.19 | theunixfreak | babilen, I mean, i can use almost everything on my computer right now except for the mic |
| 11:26.35 | theunixfreak | babilen, what is your computer? |
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| 11:26.55 | d3xter_ | babilen: samsung_laptop compiled into kernel or as a module? |
| 11:27.02 | babilen | d3xter_: As a module |
| 11:27.16 | babilen | theunixfreak: My computer doesn't matter (it is a T420 though) |
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| 11:27.47 | theunixfreak | babilen, i love thinkpads :) |
| 11:27.53 | d3xter_ | babilen: so there must be a samsung_laptop.ko under /lib/modules, right? |
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| 11:29.00 | d3xter_ | babilen: nvm, found it :) |
| 11:29.02 | d3xter_ | brb, rebooting |
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| 11:32.29 | d3xter | alright, lets see, whether it still freezes :) |
| 11:32.47 | d3xter | babilen: now i've got a single problem left: Keyboard backlit down/up keys :) |
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| 11:33.54 | babilen | d3xter: I think that is acceptable for now :) |
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| 11:34.50 | babilen | d3xter: If this does indeed fix your issues you might want to comment on that bug (I am aware that jonathan wants the actual commit that breaks it by bisecting, but another data point won't hurt and it could give the bug more visibility) |
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| 11:39.02 | d3xter | babilen: ok, i'll do that |
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| 11:40.17 | omid8bimo | oops! wrong channel! |
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| 12:04.32 | sneex | So for 3.2.0-4-686-pae I must use hpet=force to keep power to my monitor; 3.2.0-3-686-pae otherwise my monitor will not work unless mouse is moved -- 3.2.0-3-686-pae didnt need it. Just an FYI... Cheers |
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| 12:05.56 | sneex | CORRECTION: for 3.2.0-4-686-pae I must use hpet=force to keep power to my monitor; otherwise my monitor will not work unless mouse is moved -- 3.2.0-3-686-pae didnt need it |
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| 12:44.34 | Steven228 | I'm looking for a Mini PCI-E Wi-Fi adapter supporting IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n standards which is suitable for WEP, WPA and WPA2 cracking. Am I correct that the main features required are monitor mode and packet injection? If yes, then Atheros AR5BXB72 chipset using ath9k driver should be suitable? Any other recommendations? |
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| 12:51.25 | Steven228 | ThePawnBreak, "dpkg -L <package-name>" |
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| 12:52.04 | ThePawnBreak | thanks |
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| 13:02.12 | FlashDeluxe | hi! i got a question, i got two debian boxes (both virtual machines, one on xenserver and one on xen). So the first box is an squeeze with installed tools and programs, such as ispconfig. the second box is completely new, without anything special installed. So my question is: How can i migrate my first system (both debian squeeze) into my second system? |
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| 13:08.00 | ThePawnBreak | nevermind |
| 13:08.01 | FlashDeluxe | dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:08.01 | dpkg | FlashDeluxe: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 13:40.07 | ThePawnBreak | how can I list all packages which can be installed? |
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| 13:41.07 | nyuszika7h | ThePawnBreak: why would you want that? the list is very long |
| 13:41.14 | sephii | FlashDeluxe: what do you want to migrate? data, binaries and configuration files? |
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| 13:41.29 | ThePawnBreak | nyuszika7h: homework |
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| 13:41.39 | nyuszika7h | there are 46306 packages or so, but there it is: aptitude search '~n.*' |
| 13:42.15 | nyuszika7h | actually, it works without the ~n |
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| 13:43.41 | abrotman | ah, nothing like doing someone else's homework because they're too lazy :) |
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| 13:44.53 | FlashDeluxe | sephii: if you ask so, i want to clone the whole OS, with all data and programs installed on it, included all config files etc. |
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| 13:46.13 | sephii | FlashDeluxe: if they are vms, couldn't you just copy the disk file? |
| 13:46.40 | searching | sephii: |
| 13:46.55 | searching | chown -R file username :) |
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| 13:47.24 | FlashDeluxe | sephii: no, Xenserver and Xen are different according to this :( |
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| 13:50.38 | sephii | FlashDeluxe: oh, then you could tar /etc, /bin, etc just like a normal backup on the first machine and extract it on the second one? |
| 13:51.32 | FlashDeluxe | sephii yes, i could try that. But i am not sure which directories are needed and which are not needed :( |
| 13:52.12 | brandonj | FlashDeluxe: you're trying to clone the whole OS from one vm to another? |
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| 13:52.44 | sephii | FlashDeluxe: I guess you should take / except dev, proc, run, sys and tmp |
| 13:53.00 | FlashDeluxe | brandonj: yes |
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| 13:53.18 | brandonj | FlashDeluxe: can you run both vm's at the same time and just rsync the fs over? |
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| 13:53.46 | brandonj | that is, boot the new vm with a livecd with sshd or something |
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| 13:54.29 | FlashDeluxe | brandonj: yes i can do it this way, but do i have to copy the whole fs? |
| 13:54.54 | brandonj | only if you want all the files |
| 13:55.22 | brandonj | you can leave out /dev, /proc, /run, /sys, and /tmp as sephii suggests |
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| 13:55.48 | brandonj | but if you leave anything else out you won't really be cloning the whole system anymore |
| 13:56.52 | brandonj | I suppose you might also want to exclude /mnt or /media, depending on the circumstance |
| 13:56.53 | boudiccas | whats the incantation please for dmidecode to output the graphics card please? |
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| 13:58.23 | FlashDeluxe | ok i will try it |
| 13:58.32 | boudiccas | iow, the command?dmidecode - ? |
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| 14:01.16 | Skilz | I want to install Debian and Windows 7 on my HDD partitioned into 2, which should I install first? |
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| 14:01.39 | brandonj | Skilz: windows |
| 14:01.42 | AgMo | Skilz: windows |
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| 14:02.02 | Skilz | Thanks |
| 14:02.08 | brandonj | Windows has the nasty habit of overwriting anything that happens to be in the master boot record |
| 14:02.15 | brandonj | so it's easier to install it first |
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| 14:03.00 | Sm0ke0ut | linux is more tolerant ;) |
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| 14:05.51 | Skilz | So I install Windows then Debian and Grub2 will be the bootloader? |
| 14:06.03 | Skilz | I can select WIndows or Debian from Grub2? |
| 14:06.08 | brandonj | Skilz: that's correct |
| 14:06.14 | Skilz | :) |
| 14:06.20 | brandonj | although, I'm not sure that grub2 is in debian stable |
| 14:06.27 | babilen | It is |
| 14:06.47 | brandonj | well good! |
| 14:06.50 | babilen | Skilz: What kind of hardware are you installing on? Is this your personal machine or a production box? What will it be used for? |
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| 14:09.59 | Skilz | Personal |
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| 14:10.22 | Skilz | It's a Intel Core 2 Quad, 4GB DDR2, 500GB HDD |
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| 14:11.13 | babilen | Skilz: Squeeze should be fine on that hardware. You /might/ want to consider installing wheezy (next stable, currently testing) though, but that is by no means necessary |
| 14:11.57 | Skilz | babilen: Okay mate. |
| 14:12.28 | babilen | Skilz: Does that make sense to you? I can elaborate on this and link you to proper installation images if not |
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| 14:12.35 | phix | Skilz: install windows first |
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| 14:13.21 | Skilz | babilen: I've already downloaded the Squeeze net install iso. |
| 14:14.11 | babilen | Skilz: If you prefer squeeze than this is what you want |
| 14:14.58 | ThePawnBreak | how do I list all packages which can be installed using dpkg? |
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| 14:17.19 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: What constitutes a package that /can/ be installed? Would that list comprise packages that are already installed? Those whose installation would fail? Why do you have to use dpkg (i.e. why can't you use other tools) ? |
| 14:17.31 | AgMo | ThePawnBreak: basically all packages form repositories can be installed using dpkg |
| 14:17.35 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: I guess you are looking for "dpkg -l" but I have no idea |
| 14:18.06 | ThePawnBreak | babilen: this is homework; I'm supposed to list all packages which can be installed; that's all the info I have; I tried 3 ways but none of them output the required list; I'm supposed to use the internet so this is not cheating |
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| 14:20.04 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: Well, as you see there are lots of problems with that assignment. It is highly ambiguous and I have no idea what a correct answer would constitute -- dpkg -l -- comes close, but might not be what you want |
| 14:20.25 | babilen | err, screw that - dpkg -l is /not/ what you want |
| 14:20.33 | ThePawnBreak | I know, I have the list which I need |
| 14:20.38 | ThePawnBreak | I mean, they show it to us.. |
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| 14:21.52 | buscon | I'd like to start debian without graphic |
| 14:22.00 | buscon | where can I set the runlevel? |
| 14:22.03 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: Take a look at "--get-selections" and "--set-selections" -- But why would you need to create that list if they already give it to you? |
| 14:22.07 | buscon | (I don't remember it...) |
| 14:22.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell buscon -about nodm |
| 14:22.28 | ThePawnBreak | babilen: they give us the requirements, and the test program shows what our output is and what is should be |
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| 14:22.54 | ThePawnBreak | but I think that copying the list they give us would constitue cheating |
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| 14:23.55 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: Should be list comprise packages that are already installed or not? Do you /have/ to use dpkg or could you use apt-get/aptitude/... |
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| 14:24.28 | abrotman | homework ... |
| 14:24.31 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: Take a look at, say, "dpkg --get-selections|cut -f1" and take it from there .. but meh |
| 14:24.38 | ThePawnBreak | I have no idea; I asked the guy who made the requirements why apt-cache search . doesn't work, and he said to use dpkg; that's all I know; this is very frustrating :( |
| 14:24.54 | ThePawnBreak | babilen: dpkg --get-selections seems to output a very small list |
| 14:25.18 | brandonj | that's because dpkg --get-selections lists the installed packages |
| 14:25.34 | babilen | dpkg does /not/ know about repositories |
| 14:25.34 | dpkg | i don't know, babilen |
| 14:25.40 | babilen | ^^^^ |
| 14:25.40 | abrotman | see |
| 14:25.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:27.26 | brandonj | ThePawnBreak: what exactly is different between the correct output and the output supplied by 'apt-cache search .'? |
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| 14:28.31 | abrotman | !fish |
| 14:28.31 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 14:29.39 | ThePawnBreak | abrotman: are you refering to me? |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:31.01 | ThePawnBreak | the last entries in the supplied list are: libsmpeg0, aspell-bg, cyrus-admin-2.2; the last entries in apt-cache -n search . are: tzdata-java, tzdata; therefore, the lists are not the same |
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| 14:32.07 | babilen | ThePawnBreak: You are also not allowed to use "apt-cache" -- Which distribution do you use and why don't you just read the manpages? dpkg /can not/ be used for this as it does not know about repositories |
| 14:32.33 | ThePawnBreak | I read the manpages 3 times each |
| 14:34.48 | brandonj | you can also use aptitude to generate a nice list of packages |
| 14:35.02 | babilen | aptitude is /not/ dpkg -- lets drop this as it is pointless |
| 14:35.20 | babilen | dpkg can not be used for this so a solution with dpkg is ... |
| 14:35.20 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, babilen |
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| 14:36.54 | brandonj | unless by 'available packages' they mean 'available packages minus installed packages' |
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| 14:37.09 | Towzzer | what's the mail package that has the -r option available |
| 14:37.10 | abrotman | just let it go .. |
| 14:37.12 | Towzzer | it's not mailx |
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| 14:48.23 | thewanderer1 | how would I remove the "desktop environment" task from an already installed system? |
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| 14:49.26 | babilen | thewanderer1: Remove all packages that belong to that task! (But that might not actually get rid of /everything/ as some packages might be kept as they satisfy a recommends/suggest of another package |
| 14:49.56 | thewanderer1 | well, somebody thought installing GNOME on this web server would be a good idea, now trying to remedy that :P |
| 14:49.59 | babilen | thewanderer1: You can list those packages with "tasksel --task-packages TASK" (cf. man tasksel) |
| 14:50.17 | sephii | Towzzer: seems to be available in heirloom-mailx, but the usage of the -r flag is discouraged |
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| 14:50.48 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ugh, well ... |
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| 14:52.20 | thewanderer1 | I've run "tasksel remove desktop", will now run apt-get autoremove and see how well that works |
| 14:52.39 | babilen | thewanderer1: Don't forget the "--purge" for autoremove |
| 14:52.49 | thewanderer1 | sure |
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| 14:54.16 | thewanderer1 | okay, that has failed (something is holding the packages, apparently)... any other ways? |
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| 14:55.44 | bluenemo | good idea to take the roundcube debian package? good for lazy admins but its quite old isnt it? |
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| 14:56.15 | thewanderer1 | bluenemo, just use the upstream - and remember to *remove* php5-suhosin module, as it is known to break roundcube |
| 14:56.21 | hilbilly | Would be nice if Debian's NetworkManager would manage my network and I did not have to reboot so often. |
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| 14:58.33 | UltraMC | How to install java, not the OpenJDK ? also how to uninstall OpenJDK ? |
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| 15:04.04 | UltraMC | Which one is Java 7 from Sun? http://paste.debian.net/222510/ |
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| 15:06.00 | ksk | !tell ultramc about sun-java |
| 15:06.03 | jelly | UltraMC: none of those is fron Sun (now Oracle). IF you want JDK 7 from Oracle, get it there. If you want it to be packaged, use java-package. |
| 15:06.20 | jelly | !java-package |
| 15:06.20 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions. It was removed from Debian post-Lenny (Debian bug #577423) and reintroduced February 2012. java-package currently supports Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
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| 15:06.52 | ksk | thats it.. |
| 15:07.07 | jelly | java-package from sid can be used to make packages for squeeze or wheezy |
| 15:07.43 | jelly | the result looks like |
| 15:07.44 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 95623666 Ruj 7 12:36 oracle-j2sdk1.7_1.7.0+update7_amd64.deb |
| 15:08.12 | UltraMC | jelly, how to install JDK 7 from Oracle? im noobie you see |
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| 15:08.44 | ksk | ask oracle? :> |
| 15:08.58 | UltraMC | k, but have I to remove current java? |
| 15:09.03 | mhoney | can Wheezy beta be upgraded to final when it comes out without re-installing? |
| 15:09.08 | abrotman | !tell UltraMC about java package |
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| 15:09.34 | jelly | UltraMC: download JDK .tar.gz from Oracle site manually first. |
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| 15:09.59 | UltraMC | jelly installation wont be a problem, but should I 'uninstall' current java first? |
| 15:10.37 | jelly | UltraMC: it doesn't matter. |
| 15:10.55 | UltraMC | jelly, so how java know which provider it will use? |
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| 15:11.54 | mtn | mhoney, if you have wheezy in your source list then you will have the current version when it goes stable |
| 15:12.21 | mhoney | mtn, thanks |
| 15:12.21 | jelly | UltraMC: Debian uses the alternatives mechanism to put binaries from the java you choose in PATH. |
| 15:12.36 | UltraMC | jelly, so I have to manually PATH it? |
| 15:13.13 | brandonj | update-alternatives --config java |
| 15:13.15 | jelly | UltraMC: no. Use the alternatives mechanism, update-java-alternatives command. |
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| 15:17.04 | Third3ye | Anyone know of an archiving app that doesn't compress the files/folders untill you press "save" or something? I want to add a bulk of files from a huge collection without having to wait for the archiver to finish it's current compressing |
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| 15:19.55 | jacopo | ciao |
| 15:20.00 | UltraMC | Is that Java 7 from oracle? |
| 15:20.01 | jacopo | !list |
| 15:20.01 | dpkg | jacopo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 15:20.01 | UltraMC | java -version java version "1.7.0_10" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_10-b18) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.6-b04, mixed mode) |
| 15:20.03 | jelly | UltraMC: basically, you create oracle-j2sdk*deb from .tar.gz using make-jpkg command. Then install the deb. Then use update-java-alternatives and it automatically sets up symlinks to the right Java in /usr/bin/java, /usr/bin/javac and so on. |
| 15:20.33 | jelly | UltraMC: yes. |
| 15:21.15 | Skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.22 | Skilz | xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:21.42 | Skilz | I will be using Fluxbox |
| 15:22.08 | jelly | Skilz: /msg dpkg install x; /msg dpkg fluxbox |
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| 15:22.28 | ksk | Skilz: then justi nstall fluxbox, debian is smart enough to install anything ensle you need |
| 15:22.44 | ksk | else |
| 15:23.00 | jelly | ksk: er, a wm does not pull the X server in. |
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| 15:23.46 | aravind | ksk: there are multiple X servers that can work for a laptop. So you'd generally have to pick one. |
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| 15:24.29 | ksk | you are right, thanks for the clarification. |
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| 15:27.35 | jelly | is there an UTF-8 locale that keeps the ASCII collation sequence? ls -l with en_US.UTF-8 thinks upper and lowercase are the same thing, and I don't like that |
| 15:27.39 | Eagleman | How can i make an gpt ntfs 3 tb partition on debian? |
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| 15:28.06 | babilen | Eagleman: use gdisk and just do it |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | wants dot-files files, then uppercase, then lowercase, just as $DEITY intended |
| 15:28.29 | Eagleman | Is gdisk in the repository? |
| 15:28.32 | jelly | dot-files first* |
| 15:28.42 | babilen | no idea what mkfs.ntfs thinks about that |
| 15:28.47 | babilen | ,v gdisk |
| 15:28.48 | judd | Package: gdisk on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.5-1; wheezy: 0.8.5-1 |
| 15:28.53 | babilen | Eagleman: Sure ^^^ |
| 15:29.11 | Eagleman | apt-get install gdisk >> not found |
| 15:29.11 | Eagleman | :S |
| 15:29.29 | frostschutz | jelly: my LC_COLLATE is set to C ;) |
| 15:29.33 | babilen | Eagleman: Are you sure that you have squeeze-backports enabled? |
| 15:29.37 | Eagleman | no |
| 15:29.48 | babilen | Eagleman: What happens if you add it? |
| 15:30.04 | Eagleman | ! squeeze-backports |
| 15:30.05 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 15:30.39 | jelly | frostschutz: yeah... but C doesn't do UTF-8 |
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| 15:31.45 | babilen | C.UTF-8 ? |
| 15:31.48 | fish_ | hrm.. is it somehow possible to get rid of the dialog based debian installer and just get a logfile output during the installation? would be really nice in case of a fully automated installation |
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| 15:32.26 | babilen | fish_: Something like preseeding answers? (/msg dpkg preseeding) |
| 15:33.09 | Skilz | In the installer, how do I select what network card to use? |
| 15:33.21 | Skilz | I have an onboard ethernet and pci ethernet |
| 15:33.22 | fish_ | babilen: no, I already have a preseeded installation. but for debugging purposes I would like to get the log output on the (in that case ipmi) console instead of the installer dialogs |
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| 15:33.32 | frostschutz | jelly: if you find something better, let me know. The utf8 collates I tried never gave me the correct order for everything, so C was still the best choice |
| 15:34.05 | babilen | Skilz: You will be offered the choice of the interface (at least during expert installation, haven't done any non-expert one in ages) |
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| 15:35.01 | Skilz | ah iok |
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| 15:35.38 | fish_ | babilen: in my current case the installer 'freezes' at some point and since the screen gets redrawn after each "dialog", I don't even know during which step |
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| 15:36.26 | jelly | frostschutz: yeah, that's my current workaround. I guess I'd have to invent a collation sequence that would Do What I Mean for languages that I care about |
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| 15:38.22 | Skilz | Network autoconfiguration failed. But it just worked with windows |
| 15:38.29 | Skilz | DHCP worked in Windows |
| 15:38.43 | babilen | jelly: "LC_COLLATE=C.UTF-8 ls -la" ? (not sure if you tried that) |
| 15:38.57 | frostschutz | jelly: I care about Japanese, and LC_COLLATE=C happens to work fine for that. I can deal with other characters (such as german umlauts) being sorted after everything else... |
| 15:39.07 | frostschutz | babilen: I don't have a C.UTF-8 not sure where you get that from |
| 15:39.15 | Eagleman | babilen mkfs.ntfs wont work |
| 15:39.59 | jelly | babilen: same sequence as C, Latin Extended A come after all the ASCII |
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| 15:40.52 | frostschutz | LC_COLLATE=C.UTF-8 ls -la shows me ?? instead of Ä for some reason, and trying to set that locale directly gives me an error message bash: warning: setlocale: LC_COLLATE: cannot change locale (C.UTF-8): No such file or directory |
| 15:41.14 | babilen | jelly: Ah, I misunderstood your problem then. Let me re-read the backlog |
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| 15:42.29 | babilen | Eagleman: Ok, noted -- Does it have to be NTFS? Could you try creating the filesystem in Windows (after partitioning to your desire) ? |
| 15:42.30 | jelly | frostschutz: perhaps you don't even had a C.UTF-8 compiled |
| 15:43.10 | frostschutz | oh well |
| 15:43.24 | babilen | frostschutz: Which version of libc-bin do you have installed? |
| 15:43.29 | babilen | libc6-bin that is |
| 15:43.34 | babilen | no it isn't :) |
| 15:43.36 | jelly | is on wheezy |
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| 15:43.50 | babilen | is on sid and you need /at least/ 2.13-1 |
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| 15:45.13 | Eagleman | babilen backups are written to that disk, and we have to be able to read them in windows... |
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| 15:45.43 | frostschutz | babilen: ok, it works on my debian vserver, but it doesn't actually change the order from the regular C one |
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| 15:46.37 | babilen | Eagleman: Try creating the filesystem in Windows - I have /no/ idea about mkfs.ntfs and it might be that newer versions handle that. What is the error message you get? |
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| 15:46.47 | Eagleman | not found |
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| 15:47.00 | babilen | frostschutz: It does change the order of upper and lowercase .. |
| 15:47.19 | babilen | Eagleman: What do you mean by "not found" ? |
| 15:47.27 | Eagleman | mkfs.ntfs |
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| 15:47.51 | babilen | Eagleman: How do you expect to use mkfs.ntfs if it is not installed? Try installing it and re-run the commands :) |
| 15:48.11 | frostschutz | babilen: not for me, but no matter, was happy with C anyhow :) |
| 15:48.15 | Skilz | My wifi password is wifi6, when I type it in I get Invalid WEP key |
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| 15:48.35 | Eagleman | babilen we format it on redmonds os, will be a lot easier i guess |
| 15:48.46 | Skilz | wtf? |
| 15:48.59 | babilen | Skilz: Are you /sure/ that you have a WEP protected wifi and not a WPA one? (WEP is inherently insecure and not commonly used anymore) |
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| 15:50.18 | Skilz | Oh I'm sure, I didn't understand I need s: in front, like s:wifi6 |
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| 15:51.12 | babilen | Skilz: Ah, so it works now? (you should consider to switch to WPA from WEP as the latter is quite insecure) |
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| 15:52.07 | dbeest | Why might I get this? insserv: script php-fcgi is not an executable regular file, skipped! |
| 15:52.08 | babilen | Eagleman: You have to install the ntfs-3g package in case you don't know that |
| 15:52.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Eagleman -about apt-file |
| 15:52.18 | Skilz | No one but grannies around here do don't have to worry about my wifi being stolen. |
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| 15:52.51 | babilen | Skilz: sure, just saying :) |
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| 15:55.00 | Eagleman | babilen its mounted now, thanks |
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| 15:57.59 | jhutchins_wk | Why would exim fail to deliver _local_ mail when the internet connection is down? |
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| 15:58.58 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: because it can't resolve its own local domain!!!!1one |
| 15:59.14 | jelly | hides |
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| 16:00.42 | Cultist | is there a certain variable name for terminal output? like if I'm running a script and I want it to look for the word "error" in any output, what variable should I have it check? |
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| 16:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Well, it has it's own DNS server, it should be able to resolve... |
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| 16:02.21 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: its own recursor/cache? Does it work while offline? |
| 16:03.03 | boudiccas | on a new wheezy install i have a swap file of 7gigs, hwo do i change it to just be 1 gig please , with 4 gigs of ram? |
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| 16:03.28 | jhutchins_wk | valid MX entry appears to resolve correctly when online (would not resolve externally). |
| 16:03.39 | jelly | boudiccas: swapoff it, remove, recreate with a smaller size. |
| 16:03.51 | boudiccas | thanks jelly |
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| 16:04.51 | jelly | boudiccas: if you take a look at its current UUID and mkswap with the same uuid you'll be able to avoid changing UUID in fstab and initramfs if it's there |
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| 16:05.42 | boudiccas | ok, i'm looking at 'mount' but dont see anyhting that screams 'swap' at me, i'll check fstab |
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| 16:07.28 | jelly | screams "blkid" at boudiccas |
| 16:07.50 | thewanderer1 | jelly, swap *file* with UUID? |
| 16:08.21 | jelly | thewanderer1: huh, there's a point |
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| 16:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | Well, that's interesting, exim is not logging to mail.log... |
| 16:09.03 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: exim is special. /var/log/exim4/mainlog if I remember correctly |
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| 16:10.57 | jelly | huh, base-files says 7.0 now |
| 16:11.21 | boudiccas | does 'mkswap -c UUID=b130333f-9658-4dca-ae76-7a3bc31b0dd9 1gig' sound right please? |
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| 16:12.11 | boudiccas | and do i need 1gig of swap with 4 gigd of RAM? |
| 16:12.25 | jelly | does mkswap manual say "use -c to specify uuid"? |
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| 16:13.06 | boudiccas | no, -c is to check for bad blocks, which should be 0 as its a new computer and hard drive, so i could probably omit that tehn |
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| 16:13.21 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, are you using a file or a partition, anyway? |
| 16:13.45 | wols_ | boudiccas: few hundred MB is fine. you probably don't need a lot of swap anyways if at all |
| 16:13.53 | wols_ | unless you want to hibernate |
| 16:14.01 | boudiccas | partition, dev/sda5 |
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| 16:15.26 | Skilz | My monitor and display card do 1920x1200 but X is only doing 1600x1200, how do I fix this? |
| 16:15.29 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, ok, so you basically want less swap... have you resized the partition yet? also, observe the manpage on the option semantics - you almost certainly need /dev/sda5 in there, along with -U ... |
| 16:15.56 | boudiccas | i'm lost! i need to shrink that partition from 7 gig to 1 gig, and then put swap on to it. so how do i shrink a partition, i could install gparted and do it that way? |
| 16:16.13 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, yes, that should work |
| 16:17.04 | thewanderer1 | note down the UUID (from `blkid` as noted by jelly) first, then re-create the swapspace (mkswap) using the necessary options on that partition |
| 16:17.15 | jelly | "this will end in tears, he muttered under breath" |
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| 16:17.45 | thewanderer1 | Skilz, what does xrandr say? does it list the desired resolution? |
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| 16:18.19 | Skilz | I just ran lxrandr and it didn't show it |
| 16:18.20 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: i've got the UUID on clipit, so i'm okay for a while, but thanks |
| 16:19.01 | Skilz | Nor does xrandr |
| 16:19.06 | thewanderer1 | Skilz, ok, what card and what driver is this? and connected over what kind of cable? |
| 16:19.41 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, "routing defer (-51): retry time not reached". |
| 16:19.58 | Skilz | thewanderer1: Onboard Intel graphics via vga cable |
| 16:20.14 | hplc | hello, i installed squeeze on a very old machine and wonder if there is any ncurses - "like" sys admin tools since even XFCE enviroment is too heavy to run smoothly |
| 16:20.41 | thewanderer1 | Skilz, I think VGA may have problems reaching 1920x1200, have you tried other means of connection? |
| 16:21.17 | Skilz | thewanderer1: VGA reaches 1920x1200 fine on WIndows7 so why would Linux be any different? |
| 16:21.18 | thewanderer1 | hplc, most "admin tools" are command-line anyway, and if you need a GUI, LXDE should do. how old is "very old"? |
| 16:21.41 | Seb | hplc: vi/emacs ? :) |
| 16:21.55 | hplc | thewanderer1: 700Mhz 128MB RAM |
| 16:22.08 | somiaj | hplc: you could also use some minimial window manager (debian has plenty of those to choose from) |
| 16:22.11 | thewanderer1 | Skilz, perhaps the drivers disagree about the supported resolutions. what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel are you running? (apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel) |
| 16:22.48 | thewanderer1 | hplc, if you can get that box another 128M, it'll run quite nicely with LXDE... with just 128MB, Fluxbox would be in order instead, though. |
| 16:23.01 | thewanderer1 | (or awesome3, that should work too) |
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| 16:23.18 | jelly | thewanderer1, Skilz: going to need both kernel and xorg from bdo on sandybridge or ivy bridge intel gpus |
| 16:23.38 | thewanderer1 | jelly, well yes, for now trying to find out what we're working with |
| 16:23.53 | hplc | thewanderer1: ty |
| 16:24.13 | ampharos | Does squeeze dual-boot fine with Windows 8? I'm on a BIOS system, so it's just a matter if GRUB and Windows 8 play together |
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| 16:25.26 | Skilz | thewanderer1: VERSION TABLE: 2:2.13.0-7 0 |
| 16:25.53 | thewanderer1 | ampharos, doesn't Windows 8 require you to use Secure Boot (implying UEFI), or something like that? |
| 16:26.25 | ampharos | no, this is a BIOS only system running W8, even then if it was a UEFI system I'd be turning secure boot off |
| 16:26.48 | thewanderer1 | Skilz, well yeah, you'll need to upgrade a few parts of your system (X and kernel) to the versions from backports |
| 16:27.12 | Skilz | thewanderer1: How can I do that? |
| 16:27.22 | hplc | im not sure i have any surplus RAM, but a 8GB usb stick is availble, can that act as a decent swap? |
| 16:27.41 | boudiccas | will this give me a swap of 1 gig please 'mkswap /dev/sda5 10000' ? |
| 16:28.16 | frostschutz | boudiccas: just mkswap /dev/sda5, and sda5 has to be 1GB in size if that's what you want the swap size to be |
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| 16:28.24 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, if the partition is only 1G, then mkswap will fill it completely (=1G of swap) - and observe the -U flag |
| 16:28.49 | babilen | Skilz: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? |
| 16:29.42 | thewanderer1 | hplc, it would be slow and wear out your USB stick really soon (as in: random bit flips will start appearing) - been there, done that :P |
| 16:30.03 | boudiccas | thanks, thewanderer1 and frostschutz i was over-complicating things |
| 16:31.11 | thewanderer1 | hplc, your best bet would be a hack involving swap on nbd + a really fast host over a 1Gb interconnect on the other end... but that already sounds like sci-fi for a Pentium3-era machine... |
| 16:31.18 | hplc | thewanderer1: hmm i have some surplus HDD, 6GB and 2GB |
| 16:31.43 | hplc | thewanderer1: make it a thin client? |
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| 16:32.08 | thewanderer1 | hplc, if I were you, I'd use the machine as a thin client if possible, yeah... XDMCP is not very demanding |
| 16:32.36 | hplc | thewanderer1: sounds like my best bet then, thank you :) |
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| 16:33.31 | babilen | Skilz: No output? |
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| 16:34.23 | Skilz | babilen: Sorry my keyboard is playing and and it's very late, I am going to get some sleep and try fresh in the morning. Thanks for your help. |
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| 16:35.04 | babilen | Skilz: Ok, don't worry -- Just /one/ more thing. What kind of Onboard Intel graphic card is it? Which processor do you use and did the computer come with Windows 7 or 8 ? |
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| 16:36.42 | jelly | thewanderer1: and make that nbd backed by the other machine's RAM! |
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| 16:37.17 | jelly | make that 256MB r.pi swap like there's no tomorrow |
| 16:37.38 | thewanderer1 | jelly, sure... (oh wait, my rpi is toast at the moment... stupid shorts :P ) |
| 16:37.39 | jelly | ... or a 128MB P3, as the case may be |
| 16:38.01 | jelly | thewanderer1: my MK802 overheated and does not boot |
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| 16:38.19 | babilen | Skilz: It /might/ be that you need a newer version of the kernel and/or Xorg -- I am simply trying to help you so that you don't waste any more time tomorrow |
| 16:38.43 | thewanderer1 | I'm thinking maybe it's time to get a first-world computing platform for the living room... |
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| 16:39.16 | babilen | Skilz: You can get a wheezy installer from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ and a squeeze installer with a newer kernel from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ( |
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| 16:45.14 | boudiccas | back on the live cd again. gdm3 starts but i'm just left with a cursor flashing at the top left of the screen. how do i get to the gdm3-greeter please? |
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| 16:45.55 | boudiccas | this is a new install of wheezy, with fglrx-driver and firmware installed for my radeon graphics card |
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| 16:50.13 | krion | hello |
| 16:50.54 | ksk | hey. |
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| 16:51.19 | krion | is it a normal behaviour that a fresh squeeze upgrade to wheezy leave libssl0.9.8 installed ? |
| 16:51.19 | ksk | can i somehow tell if keepalived is in master or slave state (besides that tell me when you change your state -hook)? |
| 16:51.56 | ksk | i have it on my wheezy box here, too |
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| 16:52.25 | krion | i safely remove it whithout warn |
| 16:52.28 | ksk | guess you can remove it: "Unable to find a reason to install libssl0.9.8." |
| 16:52.45 | bluenemo | hi guys, i'd like to disable known hosts checking for all linux users on my server, as in when they use ssh services they are not to check if the ip for example is right. how can i do that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 16:52.46 | krion | don't know if i should raise a bug for it |
| 16:53.12 | jhutchins_wk | How do I tell exim4 not to rewrite mail to a local user to that user at an external host? |
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| 16:53.22 | fish_ | I finally setup remote syslogging from the debian installer. but can I make it somehow more verbose? |
| 16:53.33 | jhutchins_wk | Why doesn't it just deliver mail to localusr locally? |
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| 16:54.08 | boudiccas | back on the live cd again. gdm3 starts but i'm just left with a cursor flashing at the top left of the screen. how do i get to the gdm3-greeter please? this is a new install of wheezy, with fglrx-driver and firmware installed for my radeon graphics card |
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| 16:55.27 | benedict_ | hi, is there a package that turns debian into a webconfigurable router/firewall/proxy? or would you recommend me going for a specialised distro like ipcop, smoothwall and what not? |
| 16:55.33 | babilen | krion: yeah, that is normal behaviour. There are more packages like that (run "aptitude search ~o") that can all be safely removed ... Isn't that even discussed in the upgrade guide? |
| 16:55.41 | boudiccas | back on the live cd again. gdm3 starts but i'm just left with a cursor flashing at the top left of the screen. how do i get to the login screen please? this is a new install of wheezy, with fglrx-driver and firmware installed for my radeon graphics card |
| 16:55.47 | benedict_ | the router/firewall/proxy will be used for medium networks, ~50 clients |
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| 16:57.17 | mystblade9 | I'm a developer and I like having the latest packages, but would like my system to always work when I need it. Would debian unstable fit my needs? Or is it too unstable? |
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| 16:57.44 | mystblade9 | I come from Arch Linux but didn't like how I had to manually configure everything the moment I needed it - like printer support or automounting |
| 16:58.04 | babilen | benedict_: Firewall will /always/ be iptables and there are various frontends to configure it if you fear running iptables directly -- See http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for iptables on Debian |
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| 16:58.37 | ksk | mystblade9: unstable is unstable. |
| 16:58.44 | rmoore | Hey everyone. I'm somewhat of a newb to linux. My level of knowledge mirrors that of what a hypothetical Best Buy Geek Squad "GNU Expert" would carry as credential. Anyway, anyone using a Dell Latitude D800? |
| 16:59.02 | ksk | i do use testing on desktop systems, but it might happen that it also breaks ( i had no serious problems so far) |
| 16:59.04 | babilen | mystblade9: Stable in the context of Debian means "not changing" and has /nothing/ to do with "not broken" -- I am personally running unstable and am happy with it, but you /will/ run into problems eventually that require you to do work. |
| 16:59.09 | rmoore | Trying to turn this beast into an audio production workstation. Nothing to advanced, just making beats in hydrogen and overdubbing guitar and vocal racks |
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| 16:59.51 | rmoore | I'm coming from Xubuntu, btw. I left that mess with the whole "No more non-pae support" thing. |
| 17:00.03 | babilen | mystblade9: FWIW, I would recommend to install wheezy now and get accustomed with the system. You can always start tracking testing or unstable later if the need arises. Another approach is to install selected packages from backports (/msg dpkg backports) or to use chroots/virtual machines |
| 17:00.33 | ksk | s/wheeze/squeeze? |
| 17:00.48 | babilen | mystblade9: I would also recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- You can install wheezy using an installer from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ |
| 17:00.48 | temporarybadge | i would use virtualbox to install wheezy in |
| 17:01.15 | rmoore | In regards to the "Stable as in non changing" argument. Is Debian more prone to breakages during updates and whatnot generally speaking then other distributions? |
| 17:01.22 | rmoore | Argument=Statement |
| 17:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | rmoore: stable is very much NOT prone to breakage during updates. Very rare. |
| 17:02.14 | jhutchins_wk | rmoore: With testing and unstable there WILL be breakage. |
| 17:02.16 | babilen | rmoore: My experience has been quite different. Debian supported upgrades between releases /very/ well and I consider this to be one of Debian's strengths |
| 17:02.49 | babilen | rmoore: If you are referring to breakages during the life-time of a single release: It does happen but is /very/ rare .. |
| 17:03.00 | jhutchins_wk | All of my upgrades between releases have been very smooth, with only kde's new PIM indexing system breaking, and that's KDE's fault not Debian's. |
| 17:03.01 | babilen | *supports |
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| 17:04.01 | mystblade9 | Hmm. babilen, did you mean to recommend wheezy or squeeze? |
| 17:04.13 | rmoore | cool. I'm trying to "learn linux" but i dont necessarily want something to hold my hand. But I also dont care about the "latest and greatest" nonesense of Fedora and, in my experience Ubuntu lately |
| 17:04.17 | mystblade9 | "FWIW, I would recommend to install wheezy now and get accustomed with the system. You can always start tracking testing or unstable later if the need arises." |
| 17:04.40 | rmoore | Is Squeeze or Wheezy the current stable release? |
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| 17:05.14 | jhutchins_wk | squeeze is currently stable. |
| 17:05.27 | mystblade9 | I guess he meant Squeeze then. |
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| 17:05.55 | jelly | mystblade9: squeeze would hardly fit your "like to have latest stuff" requirement |
| 17:05.59 | ksuhku | rmoore, sounds like Debian is right down your alley |
| 17:06.19 | rmoore | indeed. how about low latency/real time support? I know I'll need that for JACK |
| 17:06.33 | rmoore | I got it working easily enough in Xubuntu with kernel 3.2 |
| 17:06.35 | babilen | mystblade9: I meant recommend wheezy |
| 17:06.35 | mystblade9 | jelly: Well, I like to have the latest firefox, GIMP, and so on.. I don't so much like to have GNOME 3 or KDE 4. |
| 17:06.37 | AlexLikeRock | goooooooood mornig debian :) |
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| 17:06.55 | mystblade9 | babilen: So you recommend the Testing branch? |
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| 17:07.37 | babilen | mystblade9: Yes (not unconditionally, but to you (based on what you've written)) |
| 17:08.08 | babilen | mystblade9: And just to make it clear: I am /not/ recommending to run "testing" but to run "wheezy" for the time being |
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| 17:08.26 | babilen | mystblade9: wheezy is testing right now, but that will change soonishâ„¢ |
| 17:08.47 | rmoore | what kernel does stable come prepacked with? |
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| 17:09.40 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 17:09.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.1-1~experimental.2); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:09.44 | babilen | rmoore: ^^^ |
| 17:10.05 | mystblade9 | babilen: Ahh, I see. I read on the internet that testing, while more stable than Sid, is actually more prone to breaking because once it breaks, it takes long for a fix to get pushed. Is that true? |
| 17:10.06 | rmoore | anyone know which of those supports low latency or real time? |
| 17:10.26 | mystblade9 | babilen: Source: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 17:10.34 | rmoore | someone told me that at some point recently low latency was put into the "standard" kernel? 2. something or other |
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| 17:10.52 | babilen | mystblade9: It is /very/ hard to generalise like that. Keep in mind that it is quite easy to pull packages from sid into testing though and that you can fix your system like that ... |
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| 17:12.24 | babilen | mystblade9: But what I am recommending /right now/ is to: 1. Install and run weezy (not (!) testing) and stay with it after the release (it will be "stable" then) -- That allows the next testing (jessie) to mature for some months and you can use reasonable new software. |
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| 17:13.24 | babilen | mystblade9: Once you need more software and you do not want to install that from backports you can still decide to run jessie (testing then) or make the jump to unstable ... I use sid, but yes... It /does/ break and you will have to put some work into it. |
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| 17:14.29 | rmoore | no one with any idea about real time or low latency kernel stuff? |
| 17:14.34 | babilen | mystblade9: If it would be possible to have 1. Newest software 2. All packages tested for a long time together and bugs fixed 3. Consistent and unchanging behaviour in the same release we would offer that ... you can't. Bleeding edge means: You get software with bugs/mistakes/... |
| 17:14.47 | mystblade9 | babilen: Okay. So basically, you suggest I install what is now testing but soon will be stable, which has the codename "wheezy", and stay with that even after Wheezy is out and to not switch to Jessie.. if I understand correctly? |
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| 17:14.50 | rmoore | i realize its not terribly common for open source audio people to run Debian. |
| 17:14.52 | babilen | rmoore: There are -rt kernels |
| 17:14.56 | ry|an | you always get software with bugs/mistakes |
| 17:15.02 | rmoore | are they stable? |
| 17:15.06 | userche | hello |
| 17:15.09 | rmoore | the -rt kernels that is? |
| 17:15.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell rmoore -about rt |
| 17:15.11 | userche | debianexxxxxxxxxxx |
| 17:15.12 | userche | :) |
| 17:15.24 | babilen | rmoore: I don't think they are in squeeze |
| 17:15.43 | babilen | rmoore: Well, I know that they are not. No idea if they are in backports, please check yourself |
| 17:16.12 | mystblade9 | babilen: Ah, I read the topic.. Basically, wheezy is frozen and not so much a testing release anymore? |
| 17:16.14 | rmoore | sure! how uhh... how would i go about doing that? just google such information? |
| 17:16.36 | boudiccas | back on the live cd again. gdm3 starts but i'm just left with a cursor flashing at the top left of the screen. how do i get to the login screen please? this is a new install of wheezy, with fglrx-driver and firmware installed for my radeon graphics card |
| 17:16.45 | babilen | mystblade9: yes, it will be released soonishâ„¢ (I expect that to happen in the next 2-4 months) |
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| 17:17.41 | babilen | mystblade9: Anyway, I have to go. Just install wheezy right now and use it. It's not a mistake and you can get accustomed to it. You might want to install a different desktop environment though (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4") |
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| 17:20.50 | acu_ | I cannot seem to get my dual monitors to work with ATI RS780 [Radeon HD 3200] KDE debian |
| 17:21.11 | temporarybadge | how to convert epub file to pdf? anyone? |
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| 17:21.28 | thewanderer1 | temporarybadge, tried Calibre? |
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| 17:22.48 | temporarybadge | i have not, i will look into it |
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| 17:23.08 | KZKG^Gaara | Hi |
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| 17:23.23 | KZKG^Gaara | I'm having this annoying problem in my VPS: -bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 17:23.36 | KZKG^Gaara | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.48 | KZKG^Gaara | Some help here please? ... by the way, sorry for my english, it's not my primary language |
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| 17:26.42 | fish_ | any idea if this message is critical? still trying to figure out why my preseeded debian installer just hangs after setting up the network: main-menu[501]: DEBUG: resolver (libc6-udeb): package doesn't exist (ignored) |
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| 17:27.45 | thewanderer1 | KZKG^Gaara, OpenVZ? |
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| 17:27.54 | KZKG^Gaara | thewanderer1: Yes |
| 17:28.02 | KZKG^Gaara | The server reaches the limit of threads, so MySQL does not work well (it can not open new processes), etc etc.. |
| 17:28.26 | thewanderer1 | well, talk to your admin to increase the process number limit for you |
| 17:29.38 | KZKG^Gaara | thewanderer1: and I can not increase this by some .conf? |
| 17:30.00 | thewanderer1 | KZKG^Gaara, are you the administrator of the HN? can you manage the VEs' config? |
| 17:30.23 | KZKG^Gaara | thewanderer1: No no, I'm just a client |
| 17:30.33 | KZKG^Gaara | I bough one VPS |
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| 17:31.02 | thewanderer1 | then you'll have to talk to your provider about that - nothing you can do yourself inside the VE |
| 17:31.23 | KZKG^Gaara | thewanderer1: Ok thanks ^-^ |
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| 17:32.20 | KZKG^Gaara | I already sent an email to the provider of the VPS, I hope he reply me soon |
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| 17:44.47 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: How many processes do you need? |
| 17:45.19 | KZKG^Gaara | jhutchins_wk: how many? ... mmm I dont know 0_oU ... |
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| 17:45.51 | KZKG^Gaara | I just need the server to work properly, no matter the number of processes that need it. |
| 17:47.27 | tempspace | In the package name libgearman6, what does the 6 stand for? |
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| 17:48.25 | thewanderer1 | tempspace, version? |
| 17:48.43 | tempspace | it's not the version of libgearman |
| 17:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: So how do you know you need more? How many is it using, and how many did you configure it for? |
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| 17:49.57 | jhutchins_wk | Seems to me that my server doesn't show seperate instances of mysql... |
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| 17:50.56 | KZKG^Gaara | jhutchins_wk: The issue: "-bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable" and "Not enough resources to create thread" mean that reached the maximum allowed threads, however I have more RAM available so I do not care increase this limit if this solves everything |
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| 17:51.55 | thewanderer1 | ^ this is precisely why most people prefer full virt (KVM, VMware) to OpenVZ... you get actual RAM, not some bean counters :P |
| 17:53.07 | KZKG^Gaara | T_T ... f_ck, apparently I will have to upgrade and change OpenVZ to KVM. |
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| 17:53.49 | thewanderer1 | this might be negotiable with your VM hosting provider, too |
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| 17:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: Is this a back end for a lamp setup? |
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| 17:56.50 | KZKG^Gaara | jhutchins_wk: In the VPS I have: MySQL+PHP+Apache ... hosting my paste, webmail and forum (fluxbb) |
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| 17:57.46 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: That shouldn't put that much of a load on the system. |
| 17:58.01 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: How many users? |
| 17:58.08 | fish_ | probably a stupid question but I'm trying to catch at a straw here: the order of a preseed file is not important, right? |
| 17:58.12 | thewanderer1 | "that much" - he hasn't even posted the /proc/user_beancounters yet, has he? |
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| 17:59.08 | KZKG^Gaara | jhutchins_wk: A few... in the mail server... mmm... just 10, the forum is extremely light |
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| 17:59.30 | KZKG^Gaara | I need to leave for a moment, my boss is calling me ... ¬_¬ |
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| 17:59.55 | KZKG^Gaara | back in 30 ... |
| 17:59.55 | ws2k3 | how should i use grep if i wanne grep all rules in a files containging ... |
| 18:00.09 | jhutchins_wk | KZKG^Gaara: There is probably something else wrong then. |
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| 18:00.45 | KZKG^Gaara | jhutchins_wk: the querys of mysql in this moment http://paste.desdelinux.net/4703 |
| 18:00.56 | KZKG^Gaara | leaving... sorry T_T |
| 18:01.16 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 18:01.33 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, we still have not found out how many processes the VE is allowed to have, which is a key information... |
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| 18:03.36 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Yeah, but in a normal situation that wouldn't be a problem. |
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| 18:04.06 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: I have a system that handles thousands of users and it doesn't hit the limits of the VM. |
| 18:04.40 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: I realize that the admin may have really choked it down, but still ten users shouldn't be able to break it. |
| 18:04.45 | thewanderer1 | every OpenVZ provider sets their own limits, though - implied sanity is a common pitfall :P |
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| 18:05.33 | jhutchins_wk | Aren't there reasonably sane, funtctional defaults? |
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| 18:08.59 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, actually, no. |
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| 18:09.29 | damacus | greetings |
| 18:09.36 | sney | hi |
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| 18:09.45 | damacus | i've got a linux box that I p2v'd, squeeze i386 |
| 18:09.56 | damacus | i'd like to run a 64bit kernel on it so i can take advantage of more memory |
| 18:10.04 | damacus | is there a clean way to do this in debian proper? |
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| 18:10.26 | sney | you can install an amd64 kernel on a i686 system, yes |
| 18:10.43 | sney | individual processes don't get the extra memory access but the system as a whole does |
| 18:10.47 | damacus | aye |
| 18:10.52 | sney | the pae/bigmem kernels are another option |
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| 18:11.19 | damacus | hm, didn't consider those. |
| 18:11.39 | sney | if you have any 3rd party kernel modules I'd recommend the latter route, building 64-bit modules on a 32-bit system is possible, but not worth the trouble |
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| 18:12.24 | damacus | yeah, in this case, i'm looking for a low-impact change |
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| 18:14.04 | thewanderer1 | damacus, pae then (also you should have gone with amd64 from the start :P ) |
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| 18:15.34 | damacus | all our new stuff is on amd64 thankfully |
| 18:15.37 | bluenemo | i just installed the roundcube debian package on stable, when i log in it works like a charm :) sadly after 2 seconds it throws me back to the login screen. logs/erros: PHP Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /usr/share/php/MDB2.php |
| 18:15.40 | sney | on squeeze I think it's still called 'bigmem' unless you go to backports. |
| 18:15.42 | sney | !bigmem |
| 18:15.55 | sney | man, that bot is slow lately. |
| 18:16.04 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>. |
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| 18:16.29 | damacus | i just installed the -amd64 kernel package |
| 18:16.44 | damacus | for some reason i wasn't expectign that to be there - i should've checked in the first place |
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| 18:16.55 | mystblade9 | Alright, been doing some more research on stable, testing and unstable. Unstable seems like a bad idea, because it has been described as a system that can break when you least expect it. How about Debian Testing? |
| 18:16.58 | sney | ok, hope you don't have to build any modules. |
| 18:17.10 | sney | mystblade9, it depends on where testing is in the release cycle. |
| 18:17.25 | koollman | mystblade9: currently it's about to become stable. it's rather solid |
| 18:17.37 | sney | right now it's quite reliable and usable, because it was frozen a few months ago, and the only work being done is bug fixes in anticipation of a release as Debian 7.0 |
| 18:17.41 | damacus | sney: yeah, no special mods |
| 18:17.54 | mystblade9 | Sweet. Where do I find the ISO? |
| 18:17.57 | koollman | at other times it's a bit more ... fluid. you may get some unexpected states (it's rather 'stable' though, for most users) |
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| 18:18.25 | sney | mystblade9, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 18:18.41 | TheSin | Any debconf devel here? I'm getting "call to abstract method CopyDBTestSetup::name" when I run test_debconf.pl, just wondering where to start looking? |
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| 18:19.07 | mystblade9 | sney: Beta4 installer? sounds like a release before the freeze. |
| 18:19.21 | sney | mystblade9, beta4 refers only to the version of the *installer*, not the OS |
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| 18:21.54 | mystblade9 | sney: Do I need to get all 8 CD's? o.O |
| 18:22.25 | sney | mystblade9, no, that is all the packages available in debian main. you would only need 8 CDs if you wanted access to the whole archive while disconnected from the internet |
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| 18:22.40 | sney | for most users, the 'netinstall' is more than enough |
| 18:22.58 | mystblade9 | sney: Does netinstall offer the option to install the XFCE environment? (That is what I want) |
| 18:23.06 | sney | !install xfce |
| 18:23.06 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
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| 18:24.11 | mystblade9 | sney: And netinstall uses Debian-Installer and thus the menu that offers that option? |
| 18:24.16 | sney | right |
| 18:24.38 | sney | debian-installer or d-i is the catchall term for the software on all of the debian install media |
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| 18:25.52 | sney | mystblade9, also, make sure your network card does not require non-free firmware; if it does, there's a different iso you need to use |
| 18:26.53 | mystblade9 | sney: Fortunately, I have a wifi bridge instead of a wifi card, so that's no problem :) |
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| 18:31.09 | thieh | I need help troubleshooting this: after log into the KDE session, the session-start sound loops indefinitely (stuttering) [also happening to other system sounds]. Is there a way I can work around that? |
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| 18:34.26 | dsdeiz | hi all, with xresources, is there a way to specify some specific settings for different screens? |
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| 18:37.05 | jhutchins_wk | dsdeiz: like what? |
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| 18:37.24 | blackshirt | hello, how we can just update/upgrade for packages in security updates ? |
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| 18:37.47 | dsdeiz | e.g. if in screen 1 Urxvt.shading: 1 else Urxvt.shading: 5 |
| 18:37.48 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 18:39.32 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i dont want to upgrades all thing |
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| 18:39.59 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i just want to upgrade packages from security updates |
| 18:40.32 | thewanderer1 | well, do you have repositories enabled that would make apt do otherwise? cause by default, on stable, only security updates are enabled. |
| 18:40.55 | baneM | anyone else run into issues trying to get ntp to actually sync reliably? |
| 18:42.00 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: yes .. i have enable main repo and security one |
| 18:42.12 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, both say squeeze? |
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| 18:42.52 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i think yes, stable one .. deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib and deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 18:43.14 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, good, then `apt-get upgrade` will actually install security updates for you |
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| 18:43.42 | laddu | o/ How to fully remove nvidia driver? |
| 18:43.44 | thewanderer1 | you should also replace "stable" in that file with "squeeze", too - otherwise, when wheezy is released as stable, you could be quite surprised... |
| 18:43.56 | blackshirt | i think yes, but it was install upgradeable packages too .. is that right .. |
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| 18:44.18 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, there are no upgradeable packages - that is the whole point of Debian Stable |
| 18:45.00 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: are you familiar with aptitude ? |
| 18:45.11 | thewanderer1 | I use apt-get only, why? |
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| 18:46.30 | blackshirt | aptitude list 48 security updates available for install, and 476 upgradeable packages available to install ... |
| 18:46.59 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: thats the way i just want to install sec updates one .. not all of upgradeables packages .. |
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| 18:47.02 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:47.03 | sney | 476 ... when did you install this "stable" |
| 18:47.34 | blackshirt | 6.0.6 |
| 18:47.48 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i want upgrade it from lenny |
| 18:48.00 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: but it step by step manner |
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| 18:48.15 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: bandwidth was so limited in my place |
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| 18:48.43 | ThePawnBreak | how can I show all available details about a package? |
| 18:48.57 | sney | 'aptitude show' |
| 18:48.57 | thewanderer1 | ThePawnBreak, apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 18:49.00 | thewanderer1 | or that |
| 18:49.31 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, are you trying to install security updates from lenny? |
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| 18:50.24 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i dont think like thats...that from squeeze one |
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| 18:51.16 | thewanderer1 | since you're upgrading to Squeeze, it doesn't make sense to install security updates for Lenny anymore... just go ahead with a full upgrade :P |
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| 18:54.21 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: :D yes, i would do .. but in step by step manner .. thats why i ask it here..is it possible to do just upgrade security updates |
| 18:54.57 | thewanderer1 | security updates for *what*? |
| 18:55.28 | thewanderer1 | you can not install packages from Squeeze to patch security holes in Lenny and expect it to work |
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| 18:57.23 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: okey, thanks |
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| 19:00.35 | ikra | hi all, i have a problem with suspend: with kernel 3.2.0.32 it works well, but after upgraded to 3.2.0.35 it doesn't, if install newer kernel the problem still, but if i use 3.2.0.32 it works again. So i think it's a "kernel" configuration problem, what test could i make what data do you need to help me understand this problem? thanks! |
| 19:00.49 | jhutchins_wk | blackshirt: Generally you don't want to mix packages from different releases. |
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| 19:01.01 | jhutchins_wk | blackshirt: You DO want to do a full update of Lenny before you upgrade. |
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| 19:01.54 | antithesis | Hello |
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| 19:07.27 | jhutchins_wk | !wpa |
| 19:07.28 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer supports WPA as of the <wheezy beta> installers. See also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 19:09.53 | antithesis | jhutchins_wk it doesn't mention LEAP |
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| 19:10.13 | nyuszika7h | hi, I think I've messed up python. :/ is there any way to fix this? https://privatepaste.com/4f78054ccehttps://privatepaste.com/4f78054cce |
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| 19:10.16 | nyuszika7h | * https://privatepaste.com/4f78054cce |
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| 19:11.10 | sney | nyuszika7h, how did you get yourself in this situation? |
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| 19:12.36 | nyuszika7h | sney: first, I know I'm stupid that I did that. I had python from testing / sid, then later upgraded to the experimental version, but some packages remained on the sid version (only the "build" number is different). I've noticed that some python headers are missing / in the wrong location. I tried to downgrade all python 2.x packages to testing, and got this error. now python won't even start at all. |
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| 19:12.57 | _martin | hi, can i delete all *.log files in :/var/log# |
| 19:12.59 | _martin | ? |
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| 19:13.08 | _martin | without breaking any service? |
| 19:13.14 | psycode | how do i install a .deb file and have all the dependencies automatically retrieved and installed also ? |
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| 19:13.31 | nyuszika7h | _martin: I'm not sure, but I think you should not touch the wtmp file. |
| 19:13.45 | antithesis | How do I tell /etc/network/interfaces to try multiple networks at startup? |
| 19:13.56 | _martin | /dev/hdc1 1.9G 2.0G 5.2M 100% / |
| 19:13.56 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.02 | nyuszika7h | _martin: removing *.[1-9] and *.[1-9].gz should be safe though. |
| 19:14.04 | sney | _martin, 'apt-get clean' |
| 19:14.19 | _martin | i hope i got enough space for apt-get clean |
| 19:14.25 | linuxthefish | hi, what text based browsers are built into Debian? |
| 19:14.31 | _martin | lynx? |
| 19:14.45 | zykotick9 | linuxthefish: built in? i'd suggest elinks myself... |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | elinks-lite is nice |
| 19:15.02 | Sm0ke0ut | w3m @ linuxthefish is 'build in' |
| 19:15.05 | thewanderer1 | linuxthefish, you get w3m by default, and you can install elinks, links, links2, and netcat/telnet if you're a hardcore surfer :P |
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| 19:15.08 | psycode | lynx, links |
| 19:15.26 | _martin | damnit sarge doesnt provice clean |
| 19:15.30 | linuxthefish | i need to login to a webpage to use apt-get stuff :p |
| 19:15.37 | _martin | maybe i can isntall it with dpk ? |
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| 19:16.49 | _martin | so i do rm *.log.old for the first |
| 19:16.50 | sney | _martin, sarge? yikes |
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| 19:16.54 | _martin | :D |
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| 19:17.03 | sney | yeah, delete any logs that are gzipped, sure |
| 19:17.05 | linuxthefish | where does "apt-get" look to to get the source things? |
| 19:17.14 | sney | linuxthefish, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:17.18 | _martin | sarge and netgear.readynas |
| 19:17.18 | linuxthefish | ty |
| 19:17.32 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: repositories named with deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 19:17.55 | linuxthefish | thanks, the stupid installer commented it out :( |
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| 19:18.14 | sney | _martin, all apt-get clean does is remove archived .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives, if there are any .debs in that location you can delete them too |
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| 19:18.19 | Tecido_Humano | hey you... do you like MUSIC VIDEOS? check out this blog then... http://senaotensmaisnadaparaouvir.blogspot.pt/ |
| 19:18.26 | sney | linuxthefish, it does that if there's no working network connection during install |
| 19:18.30 | linuxthefish | yeah |
| 19:18.53 | linuxthefish | i had to login to a webpage to connect to the internet7 |
| 19:18.55 | _martin | thanks |
| 19:19.01 | linuxthefish | but it's fixed now, thanks |
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| 19:19.18 | zykotick9 | linuxthefish: s/stupid installer/smart installer/ ;) |
| 19:19.44 | linuxthefish | :( |
| 19:20.00 | _martin | deleting .log is no good idea? |
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| 19:20.22 | _martin | now i got /dev/hdc1 1.9G 1.9G 64M 97% / |
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| 19:21.13 | sirToast | _martin: did you check out /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 19:21.18 | linuxthefish | argh, stupid apt-get/apitude is stuck on "99% [Waiting for headers]" :( |
| 19:21.20 | _martin | yes |
| 19:21.31 | sirToast | k |
| 19:21.42 | thewanderer1 | linuxthefish, proxies surely don't help... |
| 19:22.02 | linuxthefish | thewanderer1: i don't have any other choice |
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| 19:22.23 | linuxthefish | i have to login to a website before i can use the internet, the joys of living in collage... |
| 19:22.33 | linuxthefish | it's working now :D |
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| 19:24.05 | linuxthefish | and now broken :( |
| 19:24.13 | sirToast | _martin: check out /tmp and /var/tmp too |
| 19:24.31 | _martin | ok thanks |
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| 19:25.01 | dawud | hello, systemd seems stagnant in debian since April 2012 (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=summary), that's v44, far from current v196. Can somebody tell me if this is related to udev issues (being udev now part of systemd, IIRC)? Thanks! |
| 19:25.48 | zykotick9 | _martin: is it .log or archived .log.gz taking up most of the space? moving the archived .gz to a different location should be safe. |
| 19:26.06 | sney | dawud, it's probably just due to the wheezy freeze. systemd isn't a release goal for wheezy, so it's not being focused on |
| 19:26.17 | _martin | i turned of the mysql log i hope this will help for the future |
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| 19:26.53 | _Rocky_ | clicking on volume control in gnome on debian squeeze says "gnome-volume-control" no such file or directory. I cant get volume to work on VLC or movie player. ALSA drivers are present. Hardware is being detected. I am able to adjust some sounds with alsamixer(atleast on one of the listed 3 devices). Thank you for suggestions. |
| 19:27.41 | dawud | sney: ok, but despite that, there's been no work at all wrt to systemd in sid/experimental neither, which is weird, hence the question. |
| 19:28.07 | jhutchins_wk | _Rocky_: Have you tried installing gnome-volume-control? |
| 19:28.12 | sney | dawud, you could ask in #debian-devel on OFTC, they might have more insight |
| 19:28.32 | dawud | sney: thank you |
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| 19:28.50 | _Rocky_ | jhutchins_wk: apt-cache search gnome-volume-control doesnt return any results. And apt-get install doesnt work either |
| 19:28.53 | laddu | Can I ask if there is a way to improve the cursor lag iunder nouveau under Squeeze? |
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| 19:29.21 | jhutchins_wk | _Rocky_: Sorry, I see that. |
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| 19:30.27 | zykotick9 | laddu: side note: nouveau on squeeze doesn't support 3d. |
| 19:30.48 | althaser | any clue guys ? http://pastebin.com/WczRW3xn |
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| 19:31.33 | laddu | :zykotick9: so is there a way in which I can use it still? Is that what backports is all about? |
| 19:32.09 | Yukikaze | _Rocky_: I haven't used gnome in years but what about "gnome-applets" |
| 19:32.09 | zykotick9 | laddu: it might be possible. but i've had much better luck with nouveau in wheezy then in squeeze. |
| 19:32.12 | smile | byee :p |
| 19:33.20 | _Rocky_ | Yukikaze: Just checked gnome-applets. Its already the newest version. |
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| 19:33.49 | sirToast | gnome-multimedia? |
| 19:33.56 | zykotick9 | _Rocky_: how did you install gnome? what meta-package did you use? |
| 19:34.05 | Yukikaze | _Rocky_: what about gnome-media |
| 19:34.21 | laddu | :zyktotick9: cheers for the help. Also when we say 3D, will that mean I cannot render 3D stuff in Blender for example? I sort of don't get what is mean by this! |
| 19:34.45 | sirToast | it's in gnome-media it seems |
| 19:35.08 | zykotick9 | laddu: i'm not sure. but if blender uses 3d acceleration, don't expect good results with squeeze(default) with nouveau. good luck. |
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| 19:36.01 | _Rocky_ | Yukikaze, sirToast: Gnome installed with debian distribution disk. Squeeze (6.0.6). It seems gnome-media is not installed. Installing now. Wish me luck :) |
| 19:37.14 | laddu | :zykotick9: Cheers, so if I want to install a backport of nouveau, would it be a simple process? |
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| 19:39.03 | zykotick9 | laddu: you'll need backported Xorg... i never managed to get nouveau 3d working with squeeze... i hope you have better luck (at the time installing wheezy did allow nouveau 3d to work, that was several months ago that I was testing this, perhaps backports method is better now? or you don't make whatever mistake I made ;) |
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| 19:39.42 | _Rocky_ | Yukikaze, sirToast: It worked. Now I got the volume control. But I dont get sound in media players. |
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| 19:40.46 | _Rocky_ | I tried aplay some-file.wav. I get the error "ALSA_lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" |
| 19:41.04 | jhutchins_wk | laddu: No, it's not 3D like in TV or theatres, it has to do with how elements of an image are rendered in perspective and that image can be manipulated as a 3D whole. |
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| 19:41.39 | linuxthefish | why do i now get "The following packages have unmet dependencies" when installing stuff on apt-get ? |
| 19:41.42 | zykotick9 | _Rocky_: (not really any help) but if you "cat /proc/asound/cards" is your REAL soundcard listed as 0? fyi, i just had some issues with iceweasel requiring the 1st card for output... something to watch out for. |
| 19:41.51 | laddu | zykotick9: cheers and thank you for your advice and time.. I will see what I can do! Also when I hear the word "unstable" I think of buggy and dangerious... how is wheezy? |
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| 19:42.13 | zykotick9 | laddu: wheezy is testing, NOT unstable. |
| 19:42.27 | linuxthefish | wheezy is unstable to me... |
| 19:42.28 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: What was the last thing you installed? Was it from the same release as the rest of your system? Sounds like you have mixed releases. |
| 19:42.35 | zykotick9 | laddu: BUT only "stable" is stable ;) |
| 19:42.40 | laddu | :D |
| 19:42.43 | linuxthefish | i've just installed Debian 6 from a USB stick |
| 19:42.53 | psycode | sorry |
| 19:43.04 | sney | right now wheezy is quite reliable and usable, because it was frozen a few months ago, and the only work being done is bug fixes in anticipation of a release as Debian 7.0 |
| 19:43.05 | linuxthefish | and it didn't enable apt-get source things in instalation, now everything is messed up |
| 19:43.09 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: Have you enabled on-line sources? |
| 19:43.13 | jhutchins_wk | !sources.list |
| 19:43.14 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:43.29 | zykotick9 | sney: s/a few months ago/a year ago/ ;) |
| 19:43.33 | linuxthefish | jhutchins_wk: i've uncommented the lines in sources.list |
| 19:43.35 | _Rocky_ | zykotick9: I think you might have a point there. I think mine is listed as 1 and there is a Generic one at 0 |
| 19:43.38 | ompaul | linuxthefish: http://paste.debian.net the contents of sources.list |
| 19:43.38 | psycode | i can't get hibernate to work, i'm running deb from a sdcard |
| 19:43.46 | jhutchins_wk | sney: Tell that to the guys running ext4. |
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| 19:44.13 | sney | jhutchins_wk, there's no accounting for bad decisions. see also the btrfs fans. |
| 19:44.15 | Yukikaze | wheezy is set to be the new stable very soon iirc |
| 19:44.17 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: Please pastebin the command you're using and the whole output. |
| 19:44.46 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with ext4? |
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| 19:45.13 | jhutchins_wk | Arrowmaster: Little problem with it not shutting down correctly and reporting errors on restart. |
| 19:45.14 | sirToast | I've been using ext4 on this computer since march 2012 and no problem yet |
| 19:45.20 | psycode | i thought btrfs replaced ext4 |
| 19:45.25 | laddu | awesome. and is it safe to upgrade within Debian 6? I have never upgraded my distro before. |
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| 19:45.32 | jhutchins_wk | Arrowmaster: So far it's just cosmetic, but it gave 'em a good scare. |
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| 19:45.46 | ompaul | laddu: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:45.55 | jhutchins_wk | sirToast: wheezy kernel? |
| 19:46.10 | sirToast | nope. squeeze |
| 19:46.14 | linuxthefish | ompaul: http://img.linuxthefish.net/up/b77853331b401625b30988ecf1aec3e9.JPG |
| 19:46.19 | jhutchins_wk | laddu: Very safe to upgrade within stable (squeeze). |
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| 19:46.28 | laddu | cheers ! |
| 19:46.32 | laddu | \o |
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| 19:46.37 | jhutchins_wk | sirToast: That was kindof the point, wheezy is STILL testing things and still breaking things. |
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| 19:46.47 | sney | linuxthefish, missing one. |
| 19:46.52 | sney | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:46.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:46.58 | sirToast | k. sorry. thought you were replying to 'only stable is stable' |
| 19:47.36 | ompaul | linuxthefish: also use the tools you're given copy the file to another computer and put it on a pastebin that is hard to look at |
| 19:48.06 | ompaul | linuxthefish: anyway when you fix the problem, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and then install whatever it is you are thinking of |
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| 19:48.44 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: You do not have a line like the one suggested by dpkg above for the main, contrib, and nonfree repositories, just security updates. |
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| 19:49.16 | sirToast | _Rocky_: for whatever it's worth, try logging out and logging in again |
| 19:49.20 | linuxthefish | do i need to put deb-src before "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 19:49.37 | ompaul | no you need to put that in place of deb on another line |
| 19:49.38 | linuxthefish | now it's waiting for headers again :/ |
| 19:49.54 | linuxthefish | i'll try and get it over sftp |
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| 19:50.48 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: deb-src is for fetching source packages, I generally comment it out unless I need it. |
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| 19:51.13 | _Rocky_ | sirToast: logged out and logged in. Still no sound :( |
| 19:51.25 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: What are you trying to get over sftp? |
| 19:51.37 | linuxthefish | jhutchins_wk: sources.list |
| 19:51.51 | linuxthefish | though i can't because i don't have openssh-server installed *_* |
| 19:51.51 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: Don't bother. |
| 19:52.00 | sirToast | _Rocky_: did you have sound before you installed that package? |
| 19:52.11 | _Rocky_ | nope |
| 19:52.16 | Armand | How do I rerun the network config, to autodetect the NIC, on a 6.0.6 install ? |
| 19:52.42 | sirToast | _Rocky_: alsa-base is installed? |
| 19:52.53 | _Rocky_ | I havent had sound since the beginning of the installation. But back then I was battling with the graphics card:) |
| 19:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: add the first entry above, without the quotes, then do aptitude update. |
| 19:53.32 | _Rocky_ | sirToast: alsa-base is installed |
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| 19:53.43 | linuxthefish | argh, it's working now! :D |
| 19:53.47 | linuxthefish | i think... |
| 19:53.53 | linuxthefish | now to see what else is messed up... |
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| 19:54.16 | sirToast | _Rocky_: you're probably missing a kernel module. I just don't know which |
| 19:54.32 | linuxthefish | jhutchins_wk: do you know why "Waiting for headers" takes so long? |
| 19:54.35 | ompaul | linuxthefish: sit back wait for 2 minutes, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade if you get a new kernel reboot, and then start installing stuff you didn't install at the off, like openssh-server |
| 19:54.50 | sviz | <3 disk failures |
| 19:54.56 | Armand | :/ |
| 19:54.58 | linuxthefish | ok... |
| 19:55.08 | linuxthefish | waits, and hopes his old hdd won't fail... |
| 19:55.13 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: We're assuming that your network connection & DNS are working. |
| 19:55.19 | Armand | sviz: Can't say I've ever been a fan. :P |
| 19:55.21 | _Rocky_ | sirToast: I have a doubt. How do I change the card listed in /proc/sound/cards at 0 to the one at 1 |
| 19:55.25 | linuxthefish | network is a tad iffy |
| 19:55.30 | linuxthefish | it's free wifi |
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| 19:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | linuxthefish: Go get another cup then. |
| 19:56.07 | sviz | Armand seagate all of a sudden starts throwing re-allocation failures… i rewrite the sectors… less than 24 hours kernel panic and will no longer boot |
| 19:56.14 | linuxthefish | :D |
| 19:56.16 | Armand | Buying more tarbucks makes internet faster. :P |
| 19:56.20 | sviz | so amazon best hurry the hell up with my drive |
| 19:56.24 | zykotick9 | Armand: check settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:56.38 | Armand | zykotick9: Will do. :) |
| 19:56.39 | sviz | and then i gotta get someone in VA (I'm in CA) to install it |
| 19:56.39 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: You checked the cables? |
| 19:56.56 | sirToast | _Rocky_: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 |
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| 19:57.17 | sviz | jhutchins_wk oh yea… its the drive. I ran some SMART diags theres no way its not the drive. thankfully its in a static cab in a datacenter |
| 19:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: Surprized it's not raid. |
| 19:58.19 | ksuhku | only trust SMART when it says something IS wrong |
| 19:58.42 | sviz | jhutchins_wk RAID is overrated. its backed up to the CLOUDZ! SMART makes all kinds of shit up |
| 19:58.50 | sviz | SMART is more like kindaSMART |
| 19:58.56 | ksuhku | ^^ |
| 19:59.05 | sirToast | :) |
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| 19:59.25 | Armand | Is my Intel PRO/100 VE supported as standard? |
| 19:59.28 | sviz | but man when a drive is failing its got all kinds of useless obvious data points |
| 19:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: I agree about raid, but still surprised that datacenter hardware doesn't have it. |
| 20:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | Armand: Yep. |
| 20:00.13 | Armand | jhutchins_wk: Ok, I'll check it again.. brb. |
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| 20:00.18 | sviz | jhutchins_wk just because its in a datacenter doesn't mean its datacenter hardware :). I work for a internet company, but this is my personal box |
| 20:00.40 | sviz | it is an sc1425 though |
| 20:00.51 | sney | just a simple case of didn't bother to spring for that second disk |
| 20:01.46 | jhutchins_wk | The added effort/expense of having to get the datacenter staff to swap the drive comes down in favor of RAID, but really, unless it's RAID4 with a hot-swap spare... |
| 20:02.14 | jhutchins_wk | s/RAID4 /RAID5 |
| 20:02.26 | Yukikaze | zfs <3 |
| 20:02.34 | jhutchins_wk | Dance of the multiple keyboards. |
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| 20:04.04 | n0rwack | Hello. Where is options.conf located? Need to change "options:nouserdns". |
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| 20:06.28 | max999 | n0rwack, try: locate options.conf |
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| 20:07.01 | ksuhku | n0rwack, and if no luck then do updatedb as root before trying again |
| 20:07.19 | _Rocky_ | sirToast, Yukikaze and jhutchins_wk: You guys are wonderful.Thank you very much for your help. The problem was that my card was listed as 1 and not 0. I changed that to 0 and it started working! |
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| 20:07.34 | sirToast | phew |
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| 20:08.23 | sirToast | wonder what kind of other device that card 0 is |
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| 20:09.31 | _Rocky_ | sirToast: Its listed as HD-Intel - HD-Audio Generic |
| 20:09.34 | ikra | hi all, i have a problem with suspend: with kernel 3.2.0.32 it works well, but after upgraded to 3.2.0.35 it doesn't, if install newer kernel the problem still, but if i use 3.2.0.32 it works again. So i think it's a "kernel" configuration problem, what test could i make what data do you need to help me understand this problem? thanks! |
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| 20:10.13 | Devastator | is there a website where I can check what has been modified on a package? like a bugtracker or something |
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| 20:11.42 | zykotick9 | !tell Devastator about changelog |
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| 20:12.45 | sirToast | _Rocky_: k. happy audio playing |
| 20:12.46 | Devastator | zykotick9 I know about that, but I really mean in the sources |
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| 20:13.40 | zykotick9 | Devastator: well, could you check bts then? good luck. |
| 20:13.49 | csmrfx | Any ideas if debian squeeze still suffers from the RTL8169/8*11 -detection bug? |
| 20:14.12 | csmrfx | I've had this brand new box sitting there useless for 4 months now |
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| 20:14.39 | csmrfx | Ubuntuists claim that it doesn't suffer from the bug anymore, but I'd like to continue using debian |
| 20:14.41 | _Rocky_ | csmrfx: I have that card. I didn't have any problems. Though, I had to set the conf manually. |
| 20:15.03 | Devastator | zykotick9 the reason I'm asking is a bug I reported. Maintainer says it is now fixed, I'm just curious to see what has been changed |
| 20:15.04 | csmrfx | And you have to re-conf it after every kernel update? |
| 20:15.09 | csmrfx | ^ _Rocky_ |
| 20:15.34 | _Rocky_ | csmrfx: Nope |
| 20:15.46 | sviz | jhutchins_wk yea don't think you're gonna see much RAID5 in an SC1425. either way I've got co-workers in my department out there that I can repay in dinner and beer so it works out in the end, but it still sucks |
| 20:15.49 | csmrfx | _Rocky_: Ok, which version did you install? |
| 20:15.56 | csmrfx | (and which kernel?) |
| 20:16.16 | csmrfx | (ie. 3.* or 2.6*) |
| 20:16.35 | _Rocky_ | csmrfx: 3.* |
| 20:16.59 | _Rocky_ | csmrfx: you will have to enable the drivers in kernel config before building |
| 20:17.17 | csmrfx | Oh, I have that installed on there, lemme see if the RTL8169 works correctly there |
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| 20:19.15 | sylvain_delaroch | hello |
| 20:19.28 | Devastator | founded.. |
| 20:19.34 | sylvain_delaroch | how i can have proxy for cifs access ? |
| 20:19.47 | sylvain_delaroch | for anti virus |
| 20:20.20 | sylvain_delaroch | lot of clients and one cifs access |
| 20:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | elaborate? |
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| 20:23.22 | sylvain_delaroch | existe cifs proxy, transparent cifs proxy on linux ? |
| 20:23.29 | sylvain_delaroch | samba 4 ? |
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| 20:23.46 | thewanderer1 | no. |
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| 20:23.49 | sylvain_delaroch | for anti virus |
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| 20:24.54 | jelly-home | sounds like a nice idea, but I know not of one |
| 20:25.09 | sylvain_delaroch | thewanderer1: you are hacker for samba 4 ? |
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| 20:25.45 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 20:25.46 | jelly-home | sylvain_delaroch: try the #samba channel |
| 20:26.03 | thewanderer1 | the standard solution is using anti-virus software on client stations themselves |
| 20:26.28 | jhutchins_wk | That or avg on the server. |
| 20:26.29 | sylvain_delaroch | jelly-home: ok thk |
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| 20:26.56 | jhutchins_wk | Running clamav will satisfy auditors but will not do any other good. |
| 20:28.05 | thewanderer1 | (actually, it's pretty good at that one...) |
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| 20:28.17 | csmrfx | hm, I am missing /lib/<kernel>/build. No network conn. What to do? |
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| 20:29.26 | csmrfx | I mean /lib/modules/<kernel>/build. So cannot make the new nic driver and the old one doesnt work. Any ideas welcome. |
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| 20:29.57 | jelly-home | csmrfx: get the missing linux-headers-`uname -r` package some other way and install it |
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| 20:30.47 | jelly-home | alternatively, boot a (livecd?) OS with working network |
| 20:31.04 | jelly-home | then mount, chroot into your Debian and apt-get stuff |
| 20:31.17 | csmrfx | Hm, how would one get the headers "some other way"? |
| 20:31.35 | Arrowmaster | flash drive |
| 20:31.42 | Arrowmaster | etc |
| 20:32.26 | boudiccas | how do i find out the device for my sound card please, so that i can enter it in my mpd.conf |
| 20:32.30 | csmrfx | Ok... sorry I am bit tired as Ive been banging my head on this wall. Like, literally, where would I download the headers from to the usb drive? |
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| 20:33.06 | Arrowmaster | packages.debian.org |
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| 20:33.13 | _Rocky_ | boudiccas: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:33.21 | boudiccas | thankyou |
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| 20:34.59 | sirToast | csmrfx: if you have a really lousy connection you could buy the dvd set from some Linux cd store. that's what I had to do |
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| 20:35.28 | sirToast | can't even play a youtube video here |
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| 20:37.13 | csmrfx | Connection is great, sirToast, but my debian has total weirdness with the nic drivers |
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| 20:39.53 | csmrfx | Whats the current squeeze kernel version? This one is 2.6.32-5, wondering if thats ancient |
| 20:40.08 | sirToast | 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:40.50 | csmrfx | wow |
| 20:41.17 | sirToast | it's up to date |
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| 20:42.53 | sney | csmrfx, what driver are you trying to build, anyway? |
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| 20:44.16 | csmrfx | sney: RTL8168B it seems |
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| 20:44.27 | csmrfx | (thats what the lspci reported) |
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| 20:45.06 | csmrfx | (not sure if kernel reports it correctly or whatever was the problem with the detection process, exactly) |
| 20:45.14 | sney | csmrfx, there may be an easier solution than building some vendor driver. do you have the pci id? that's found with lscpci -nn and looks like [xxxx:xxxx] |
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| 20:45.26 | csmrfx | yes |
| 20:45.32 | Arrowmaster | csmrfx: you might need the firmware-realtek package |
| 20:45.49 | sney | also likely |
| 20:46.22 | csmrfx | but again be warned: this may be incorrect (the very source of these problems): |
| 20:46.25 | Arrowmaster | i know certain older revisions of that chip dont need firmware while newer ones do |
| 20:46.27 | csmrfx | 03:00.0 |
| 20:46.43 | sney | csmrfx, that's the bus id, not the pci id. the pci id is located at the end of the line. |
| 20:47.09 | csmrfx | sorry I am bit worn out by this (and I have to switch the monitor input back and forth) |
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| 20:47.44 | sney | iirc, realtek pci ids begin with 10ec, so it would look like [10ec:1234] or so |
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| 20:48.29 | _Rocky_ | csmrfx: can you try adding "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:48.43 | csmrfx | pci ID is [10ec:8168] |
| 20:48.51 | sney | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 20:48.52 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 20:49.01 | csmrfx | _Rocky_: there is no driver, would that work without one? |
| 20:49.17 | sney | csmrfx, there is a driver. it's called r8169 and it's included with the linux kernel. |
| 20:49.22 | csmrfx | yes |
| 20:49.37 | csmrfx | and it detects the hw incorrectly and loads the incorrect driver |
| 20:49.47 | csmrfx | thats why I am having these problems in the first place |
| 20:49.51 | Arrowmaster | what is it loading? |
| 20:49.52 | sney | how have you diagnosed this incorrect detection |
| 20:49.53 | _Rocky_ | what does lspci say? |
| 20:49.57 | csmrfx | 8169 |
| 20:50.03 | Arrowmaster | that is the correct driver |
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| 20:50.05 | _Rocky_ | can you pastebin you lspci output? |
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| 20:50.20 | csmrfx | No, no connection on that box |
| 20:50.24 | boudiccas | ,pciid 1002:1714 |
| 20:50.25 | judd | [1002:1714] is 'BeaverCreek HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6500D and 6400G-6600G series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:1714 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:50.41 | Arrowmaster | csmrfx: ok you need to get firmware-realtek onto that machine and install it |
| 20:50.48 | sney | boudiccas, judd commands work just as well with /msg judd pciid foo |
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| 20:50.59 | sney | Arrowmaster, I'm pretty sure r8169 doesn't use firmware. |
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| 20:51.16 | Arrowmaster | i think certain revisions of the hardware do |
| 20:51.25 | _Rocky_ | if it says Realtek semiconduct pci express gigabit ethernet in the same line that says 8169 then you already have the driver |
| 20:51.33 | csmrfx | Most people with the same problem recommend building the driver from realtec and blackliosting the old module |
| 20:51.51 | _Rocky_ | you would have to add the interface to the interfaces file |
| 20:51.53 | csmrfx | _Rocky_: but if I had the driver shouldn't it show with lsmod? |
| 20:51.56 | _Rocky_ | I remember doing it |
| 20:52.12 | _Rocky_ | It doesnt show it in lsmod for me too. but my card works |
| 20:52.36 | sney | that makes zero sense, _Rocky_ |
| 20:52.39 | _Rocky_ | I know. Its strange |
| 20:52.52 | sney | csmrfx, try a kernel from backports, or install the firmware as Arrowmaster suggests (or both) |
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| 20:53.15 | csmrfx | well, I dont want to sound negative but I've been fighting this for 3 nights now and strange just isn't a choice for solving strategy |
| 20:53.36 | sney | it could also be the second broken r8169 I've seen in 24 hours in this channel. realtek hardware is often... not good. |
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| 20:53.37 | csmrfx | I need something reasonable, even if it means moving the kernel headers to the box on the usb stick |
| 20:53.55 | sney | I would really suggest the 3.2.0 kernel from backports first. |
| 20:53.58 | csmrfx | It used to work fine on 3.* kernel!!! |
| 20:54.06 | csmrfx | But then - guess what? |
| 20:54.10 | sney | ok so install one!!! http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 20:54.27 | csmrfx | "Update" from 2.6 to 3.2 - and tada! no longer works |
| 20:55.20 | russ__ | Hi all - I've just installed wheezy with a pure xfce desktop at install (not installing xfce4 beside gnome). My first surprise was no sudo at all! Is this normal? |
| 20:55.44 | sney | russ__, debian does not install sudo by default, unless you don't specify a root password during the install |
| 20:55.47 | russ__ | I've installed it with apt and all seems normal, but I'm marginally concerned |
| 20:56.09 | sney | this is not ubuntu and sudo is not a standard system utility. |
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| 20:56.16 | russ__ | sney: ah... thanks. I thought it did with my gnome3 install. |
| 20:56.33 | sney | it may have come along with the gnome desktop task - there's a lot of things that do, many of which seem extra |
| 20:56.34 | csmrfx | Well, it is good to have options, but I only need one. Which should I do? 1) Get kernel headers and make realtek driver + blacklist the old module, 2) get some backported kernel (or?), 3) Arrowmasters solution (not sure what firmware-realtek is), 4) Rockys solution (auto eth?) |
| 20:57.06 | sney | csmrfx, in order of effort from least to greatest I suggest 3, 2, 1. and ignore 4 |
| 20:57.27 | sney | if you can't get an ip address with ifconfig and dhclient then interfaces won't get you on either |
| 20:57.46 | Arrowmaster | i would try 3 and 2 at the same time, but both .debs on a flash drive at the same time to move them over, but try 3 first |
| 20:57.55 | companion | I keep getting '[notice] child pid 35830 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)' and I cannot use GDB to backtrace it since it keeps crashihng |
| 20:58.05 | companion | any one knows how to fix this? |
| 20:58.07 | sney | firmware-realtek is http://packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek. it has some bug fixes for bad hardware, and also the binary blobs for a bunch of wireless nics |
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| 20:58.21 | csmrfx | Ok so I googled realtek-firmware - looks interesting but does not list my 8169B. Would this be a problem? |
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| 20:58.47 | sney | I really don't think it's relevant, but it's harmless to install and it would rule out the possibility that you need it |
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| 20:59.09 | csmrfx | *8168b |
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| 21:00.20 | sney | csmrfx, the worst case scenario from installing firmware-realtek is that nothing would happen. and the package is tiny. so you might as well try it. |
| 21:00.30 | sney | I think the backport kernel is more likely to be useful |
| 21:00.31 | csmrfx | Ok |
| 21:00.55 | csmrfx | If it's much of a lead, ifconfig reports "ERROR: no such device" |
| 21:01.31 | csmrfx | Anyway, care to elaborate which backport kernel I should look for? |
| 21:02.30 | sney | 3.2.0-0.bpo.4 for whichever cpu architecture you use (686, amd64) |
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| 21:05.15 | csmrfx | ok, lets do the usb-stick dance |
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| 21:08.06 | ech0s7 | hi all |
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| 21:08.19 | ech0s7 | what tool could i use to send file via bluetooth ? from shell |
| 21:10.59 | jalalsfs | ech0s7, Is gnome-bluetooth installed? |
| 21:11.13 | ech0s7 | jalalsfs: i haven't gnome |
| 21:11.27 | engla | ech0s7: there is some kind of "obex" tool |
| 21:11.36 | ech0s7 | i would send from shell |
| 21:11.39 | ech0s7 | not from UI |
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| 21:12.50 | csmrfx | Re: firmware-realtek - I already have a newer version installed |
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| 21:12.58 | csmrfx | so that didn't pan out |
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| 21:15.37 | jalalsfs | ech0s7, http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/10/howto-send-and-recieve-files-over-bluetooth-with-ubuntu-linux.html |
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| 21:19.30 | csmrfx | Ah screw it |
| 21:19.55 | csmrfx | kernel 3.2 reports that network eth0 is up but nothing happens with ping |
| 21:20.12 | taher_ | hello there .... i just installed dbian right now ... but when i opened it and login to my desktop i found there is no bars or icons ... even i can't get the terminal .... can anyone help |
| 21:20.13 | csmrfx | lsmod reports that a 8169 module is loaded |
| 21:20.21 | csmrfx | Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 21:20.49 | csmrfx | taher_: perhaps you have openbox or fluxbox. Right click on desktop |
| 21:21.29 | taher_ | csmrfx: sorry i don't understand |
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| 21:22.53 | csmrfx | taher_: you dont understand "right click on desktop?" |
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| 21:23.11 | csmrfx | taher_: do you see a desktop? ie. mouse cursor etc |
| 21:23.45 | sney | csmrfx, try building the module from realtek, I suppose. and if it works, file a bug against src:linux in debian |
| 21:24.10 | csmrfx | sney: I think this bug was first file ~2 years ago |
| 21:24.11 | r3m | (notify-send:16111): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 21:24.18 | csmrfx | (afaik) |
| 21:24.21 | taher_ | csmrfx: i mean when i click right click then what ?,..... i remember thet when i pressed right click nothing happened |
| 21:24.38 | sney | csmrfx, since we're in kernel 3.x now, it's worth a refile |
| 21:24.39 | r3m | sorry i /exec -out instead of /exec |
| 21:24.40 | csmrfx | nothing happens, then it is not openbox or fluxbox. |
| 21:24.53 | csmrfx | taher_: ^ |
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| 21:26.00 | Sloofus | anyone know if I can use an android phone to burn an .img file to it's microsd card? Im going to use the microsd card in an adapter for my raspberry pi |
| 21:26.45 | taher_ | csmrfx: i login to the desktop normally but after that there is nothing to do ..... anything .... the cursur is found and moving but no right or left click action happens |
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| 21:28.25 | Arrowmaster | taher_: sounds like you have gnome3? move the cursor to the upper left corner |
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| 21:30.47 | taher_ | Arrowmaster: then what ... because i'm not on debian now .... i will restart the machine .... so i want to know all what i will do |
| 21:31.12 | Arrowmaster | if its gnome3, moving the cursor to the upper left corner should give you a menu |
| 21:31.28 | Arrowmaster | you can run anything from there |
| 21:31.43 | taher_ | ok i will restart and see now ..... thank you |
| 21:31.47 | taher_ | Arrowmaster: |
| 21:31.51 | Arrowmaster | last resort you can alt-f2 and run xterm |
| 21:31.58 | Arrowmaster | and you have a shell |
| 21:32.00 | carandraug | Hi! I'm looking for documentation on all the files for apt.conf.d. I know the man page apt.conf, and what are the configuration options, what I want to know is what's about the actual file names. Does the nmber make any difference? |
| 21:32.26 | Arrowmaster | carandraug: the number controls the order they are loaded in |
| 21:32.27 | taher_ | Arrowmaster: is that to me? |
| 21:32.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:32.47 | csmrfx | aww screw this debian |
| 21:33.07 | csmrfx | ubuntu has this fixed, I'll just install it on top |
| 21:33.13 | csmrfx | thanks for help |
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| 21:33.30 | carandraug | Arrowmaster, just that? Is this written some place? because I was looking for half an hour and couldn't find anything |
| 21:33.58 | taher_ | you mean from this OS i can access debian by this way Arrowmaster ? |
| 21:34.05 | carandraug | that means that choosing the right filename, means that I need to know what's on the other files... ok |
| 21:34.24 | Arrowmaster | carandraug: its a standard convention for configuration directories like that |
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| 21:34.55 | taher_ | Arrowmaster: thanQ |
| 21:34.59 | Arrowmaster | taher_: when you login to debian you can use the alt-f2 hotkey to open a run dialog, from there you can type 'xterm' to get a terminal |
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| 21:35.21 | carandraug | Arrowmaster, oh! ok. Thank you |
| 21:35.37 | taher_ | Arrowmaster: thanQ |
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| 21:36.14 | Arrowmaster | carandraug: im not sure about apt.conf.d but i think the man page says that for sources.list.d the files must end in .list |
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| 21:37.21 | Arrowmaster | carandraug: oh nevermind nothing in apt.conf.d has a suffix in the filename so that part of the rule doesnt apply |
| 21:37.26 | Na_Klar | Is the owner of a file actually an ID or literally the name of the owner? |
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| 21:37.54 | Arrowmaster | id |
| 21:38.22 | Na_Klar | so making an user-account with that name will not result in rights granted on the filesystem? |
| 21:38.23 | carandraug | Arrowmaster, yeah! A few weeks ago I got caught because of that problem, no list suffix. Again, thank you |
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| 21:39.13 | Arrowmaster | Na_Klar: right, but if you create a user with that id they will have permission to all those files |
| 21:39.22 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 21:39.51 | kdub | newbie question, where is the script that sets up the build system when making a package? eg, if my package needs "cmake . --disable-feature" to build, where do you put that? |
| 21:40.10 | Na_Klar | For using a portable storage with an ext4 filesystem, I want to chown the files with a "obligatory" owner. Is there something like that? user:group = none or something like that? |
| 21:40.50 | Na_Klar | a non-rights filesystem does not work for me in this case .. |
| 21:41.10 | Arrowmaster | there is the user:group nobody |
| 21:41.15 | Na_Klar | ah |
| 21:41.49 | Na_Klar | nobody:nogroup? |
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| 21:41.57 | Arrowmaster | i think its nobody:nobody |
| 21:42.16 | Arrowmaster | no its nobody:nogroup |
| 21:42.19 | Na_Klar | yea |
| 21:42.30 | Na_Klar | thank you a lot. that's what I was searching for |
| 21:42.59 | Arrowmaster | dont expect this to be secure unless you are also using encryption |
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| 21:43.31 | Na_Klar | secure? |
| 21:43.36 | Na_Klar | I want it to be not secure |
| 21:44.32 | Na_Klar | I want the data to be exchangeable |
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| 21:45.39 | Arrowmaster | but a filesystem without file ownership isnt suitable? |
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| 21:46.41 | Na_Klar | not in that case .. or rather, I cannot make a partition on that drive (for some complex reasons), fat has to heavy limitations and nfts failed somehow on 3tb .. |
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| 21:47.07 | Na_Klar | hfs+ would be an option |
| 21:47.15 | Arrowmaster | you could try exfat |
| 21:47.23 | Na_Klar | hm ... |
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| 21:48.29 | Na_Klar | indeed .. |
| 21:49.14 | Na_Klar | but on the first look linux seems not to be very happy with exfat ... kinda experimental |
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| 21:49.32 | Na_Klar | thanks anyways for the input |
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| 21:52.57 | rryoumaa | is that the only filesystem that can be read in all 3 major oses? |
| 21:53.19 | rryoumaa | or rather, is there one? |
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| 21:55.17 | Arrowmaster | rryoumaa: no UDF is probably the most universal filesystem, but write support for it isnt easy |
| 21:55.42 | peterrooney | there exist ext3 drivers for windows |
| 21:55.55 | Arrowmaster | no they are ext2 drivers |
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| 21:56.13 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt trust them personally |
| 21:56.31 | Na_Klar | rryoumaa, hfs+ is practically useless for windows |
| 21:57.17 | Na_Klar | so, unfortunately, in regard to all 3 major osse ntfs and fat are the only compatible, i'd say. |
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| 21:57.42 | Arrowmaster | fat32 is the most compatible but its got that damn 4gb file size limit |
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| 21:58.19 | hilbilly | actually, fat32 can handle up to 32 TB |
| 21:58.46 | Arrowmaster | file size, not partition size |
| 21:59.22 | hilbilly | I have 4 external drives formatted in fat32 that are 1TB each |
| 21:59.32 | Na_Klar | hilbilly, but one file cannot exceed 4gb |
| 21:59.41 | hilbilly | ahhhhhh |
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| 22:02.31 | rozie | ntfs with ntfs-3g should be OK |
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| 22:04.03 | Na_Klar | ntfs is not that bad. I personally got problems with ntfs and no partition table .. |
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| 22:09.59 | deded | has anybody tried to run the latest version of Firefox under debian squeeze? I am having trouble with this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723487 |
| 22:10.17 | cardiel | i wonder if testing or will be frozen right before next debian release? or will it be updated regularly anyway? |
| 22:11.20 | Arrowmaster | testing is already frozen |
| 22:11.22 | jhutchins_wk | deded: We mostly use iceweasel. |
| 22:11.42 | cardiel | deded: im running iceweasel 17.0.1 with debian testing and it works great |
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| 22:12.13 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok, so if i want to get new upgrades shall i move over to unstable then or? |
| 22:12.42 | Arrowmaster | you wont get much new stuff in unstable either right now |
| 22:13.22 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok, not that i need new stuff atm but im just courious how it works.. |
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| 22:14.40 | Arrowmaster | cardiel: how it works is that before a release, testing gets frozen and as a result most developers stop uploading new versions to unstable and only upload to unstable what they expect to get past the freeze and into testing |
| 22:14.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:14.48 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.11esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.11esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.11esr-1; |
| 22:14.49 | judd | experimental: 17.0.1-2 |
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| 22:15.32 | jhutchins_wk | deded: So why are you running firefox? |
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| 22:15.49 | Arrowmaster | cardiel: at that point some may start using experimental as a temporary substitute for unstable and upload new packages that arent quite experimental but wont get into testing there |
| 22:15.59 | temmis | How to get someone to remove their noxious cologne? |
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| 22:16.17 | cwickert | I have a totally weird problem: I install a package and one of the files is missing. dpkg -L lists the file, but it's not in the filesystem. I even downloaded the package and extracted it manually and the file is there, however it does not get installed |
| 22:16.21 | cwickert | ideas? |
| 22:16.31 | cwickert | is there a way I can verify the installation? |
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| 22:16.52 | Arrowmaster | whats the file? |
| 22:16.52 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok, but if i just stay at testing then after the next release i will get the "new" testing packages , right? |
| 22:16.56 | deded | I wanted to see another version and see what it does. My history is acting funny, plus other things were acting funny. |
| 22:16.59 | Arrowmaster | cardiel: yes |
| 22:17.38 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok, thanks for the info.. is 7.0 coming pretty soon? |
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| 22:18.21 | cwickert | Arrowmaster: it's a sources.list.d file |
| 22:18.41 | Arrowmaster | its been frozen for 6 months so it should be soon hopefully, if i had to take another guess i would hope for feburary |
| 22:19.12 | Arrowmaster | cwickert: sounds like its not a debian package then |
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| 22:20.47 | cwickert | Arrowmaster: so? It's a problem with dpkg, which is a Debian package |
| 22:21.17 | cardiel | Arrowmaster: ok |
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| 22:21.40 | jhutchins_wk | deded: Heh. There's a bug in the history stack that I reported when it was still "mosaic". |
| 22:22.16 | jhutchins_wk | deded: I would suggest that you remove it if you can and switch back to iceweasel. If you're running 10.x you can update to newer that way. |
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| 22:25.08 | cwickert | Arrowmaster: for the record: http://fpaste.org/VfYh/ |
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| 22:25.22 | cwickert | any idea appreciated |
| 22:25.50 | deded | 404 error: http://packages.qa.debian.org/I/Iceweasel.html |
| 22:26.36 | Arrowmaster | cwickert: ive got nothing really other than maybe its a 'security feature' |
| 22:26.50 | phalaaxx | q: cat /etc/issue -> Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 \n \l; apt-get install upstart (0.6.6-2) -> Yes, do as I say! -> reboot -> [ok] Setting kernel variables ...done -> hang!?? |
| 22:27.03 | cwickert | thanks anyway, Arrowmaster |
| 22:27.06 | phalaaxx | it doesn't really hang, boot sequence just doesn't finish |
| 22:27.38 | phalaaxx | anyone familiar with upstart @ Debian? :) |
| 22:27.55 | zykotick9 | Arrowmaster: oh, you're right - wheezey was frozen 6 months ago, confirmed from <wheezy>. so that 52weeks/0weeks in the rc bug-count must be starting from beginning of development, not freeze. thanks. |
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| 22:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | phalaaxx: Sounds like your testing has successfully identified a problem! |
| 22:31.34 | jhutchins_wk | phalaaxx: Check for bugreports to see if anyone else is having this problem, or possibly ask in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 22:33.03 | phalaaxx | jhutchins_wk, I just found this in google: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=88506 (seems I'm not the only one to notice this problem) |
| 22:33.27 | Na_Klar | I copied 1.6tb (~200k files) from one ext4 drive to another. there is a difference of 20480 bytes, the copy has less. What could be the reason for that? |
| 22:33.29 | phalaaxx | I suppose I'll have to use sysvinit for the time being :) |
| 22:34.32 | dondelelcaro | Na_Klar: how are you determining the size? |
| 22:34.49 | dondelelcaro | Na_Klar: use find+xargs+md5sum if you really want to know. |
| 22:34.54 | Na_Klar | dondelelcaro: pcmanfm gives the info |
| 22:35.22 | Na_Klar | dondelelcaro: i thought on hashing but wouldnt that take very, very, very long on 1.6tb? |
| 22:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Na_Klar: it'll take a while, but it's the only way to know for sure. |
| 22:35.46 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 22:36.04 | cwickert | Arrowmaster: for the record. it was my fault. I deleted the files manually and apt notices. I had to run use --force-confask --force-confnew or purge the package to get the file back. thanks for your help! |
| 22:36.06 | jhutchins_wk | phalaaxx: I'm pretty sure upstart is working on squeeze. |
| 22:36.14 | dondelelcaro | Na_Klar: or you can just use rsync or similar. |
| 22:36.19 | cwickert | s/notices/noticed |
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| 22:37.36 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: Yeah, I'd try rsync. |
| 22:37.51 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: What did you use to copy the files? |
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| 22:38.22 | Na_Klar | dondelelcaro, jhutchins_wk, rsync for copying or for checking? I used pcmanfm, which uses cp, I think |
| 22:38.33 | dondelelcaro | Na_Klar: for both. |
| 22:38.44 | Na_Klar | ic |
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| 22:39.40 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that pcmanfm is doing the right thing, and there's some reason why the filesize is different on the two partitions, but I personally don't use file managers. |
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| 22:40.01 | dondelelcaro | (nor do I bother to keep up with whatever crazy things they might be doing) |
| 22:40.11 | Na_Klar | yea |
| 22:40.27 | phalaaxx | jhutchins_wk, I'm trying to use upstart on wheezy, it obviously hangs just before it is able to bring network up |
| 22:40.54 | Grey2 | o/ i've got a really shameful question...is it likely I got a virus by opening a page on a website, and it opened like a hidden popup, but I couldn't find it..? |
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| 22:47.10 | temmis | What do you think of renting a Laptop? |
| 22:47.21 | temmis | Seems laptops are so unreliable and overpriced that it might be better to rent one. |
| 22:49.09 | jhutchins_wk | phalaaxx: That's been one of the biggest challenges, getting dependencies correct. |
| 22:49.21 | jhutchins_wk | temmis: You'll pay for the privilege. |
| 22:49.37 | temmis | jhutchins_wk: How much approx to rent a laptop? |
| 22:49.58 | jhutchins_wk | temmis: I don't know of anybody who would rent one with unix support. |
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| 22:57.03 | plotino | hello eveybody |
| 22:57.26 | plotino | do you know if service rpcbind is useful in a desktop debian? |
| 22:57.37 | plotino | i would like to stop it ... |
| 22:57.42 | PerfDave | Quick question - anybody know why the recent security updates to gs-common and gs-gpl don't install cleanly with "aptitude safe-upgrade"? "apt-cache policy" seems to recognise the new versions but not want to install them - http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:57.49 | PerfDave | plotino: Depends whether you're using NFS or not. |
| 22:58.36 | plotino | i m using cifs to mount network device |
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| 22:58.46 | plotino | no nfs |
| 22:59.36 | PerfDave | plotino: If you're not using NFS or rutils, then you don't need rpcbind |
| 23:00.16 | PerfDave | Bah, I pasted the wrong paste link |
| 23:00.17 | PerfDave | Quick question - anybody know why the recent security updates to gs-common and gs-gpl don't install cleanly with "aptitude safe-upgrade"? "apt-cache policy" seems to recognise the new versions but not want to install them - http://paste.debian.net/222649/ |
| 23:00.24 | plotino | thanks |
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| 23:01.43 | plotino | it's possible to prevent its use in inted.conf in debian squueze? |
| 23:02.19 | Na_Klar | well, how exact is "du" anyways? When outputting bytes the difference is ~20kb, when outputting in kilobytes the difference is ~90kb ... I cant rely on that, can I? |
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| 23:02.39 | PerfDave | plotino: Remove the package? |
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| 23:03.03 | Na_Klar | maybe the source is just using more blocks on the drive ... |
| 23:03.05 | plotino | ok |
| 23:03.14 | plotino | and waht about smtp ? |
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| 23:04.01 | zinx | Na_Klar: on-disk usage |
| 23:04.37 | Na_Klar | zinx, you mean du does not count any bytes but the blocks are used and compute the size from that? |
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| 23:04.40 | zinx | Na_Klar: you can use --apparent-size if you want the size of bytes actually in the files |
| 23:04.47 | Na_Klar | ah, ic |
| 23:05.11 | zinx | Na_Klar: du = disk usage. it reports the space actually used on disk by default. |
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| 23:05.27 | Na_Klar | apparent-size gives the same size |
| 23:06.46 | zinx | Na_Klar: dunno then :/ |
| 23:07.03 | Na_Klar | np, thanks for the clearification |
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| 23:08.53 | PerfDave | plotino: What about SMTP? |
| 23:09.31 | plotino | sorry im just trying to make order in my system |
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| 23:09.34 | apokalyptiker | http://windowsphone.bboard.de/board/ |
| 23:09.47 | plotino | rpcbind is not a package anyway |
| 23:10.47 | PerfDave | plotino: Yes it is... |
| 23:11.08 | plotino | i cannot install it |
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| 23:11.25 | plotino | aptitude remove rpcbind do not remove any packet |
| 23:12.10 | PerfDave | plotino: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:12.50 | plotino | squeeze |
| 23:13.27 | PerfDave | !versions rpcbind |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.47 | PerfDave | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rpcbind |
| 23:13.47 | abrotman | judd: versions rpcbind |
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| 23:13.49 | judd | Package: rpcbind on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-4.1; sid: 0.2.0-8; wheezy: 0.2.0-8 |
| 23:13.52 | crippledmonk | I have a Dell Optiplex 745 intel core2duo, intel GPU q963/q965 series i believe. I've tried many distros and have not had any luck getting x to run (even in live cd exept gparted and porteus). |
| 23:13.57 | Na_Klar | Yesterday I used a command to setup the actual block count of a device that somehow tried to use more blocks than physically existing. I can't remember its name. The parameters were: -f /dev/sdb .. lol, someone knows what command I mean? |
| 23:14.26 | crippledmonk | I'm thinking about killing winxp and doing a netinstall of deb 6.06 since that's what I have on hand. |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | okay, and? |
| 23:15.36 | crippledmonk | According to intel website the vid card is linux compatable. Does anyone know if I would have better luck than when I tried crunchbang for example. |
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| 23:16.47 | abrotman | crippledmonk: we don't support crunchbang, couldn't tell you .. |
| 23:16.57 | crippledmonk | All insalls thus far fail to load x. the monitor says unsuported mode then goes to sleep. If I CTRL+ALT_F? to another term it comes back on and can use via command line but. |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | crippledmonk: thought about just shrinking XP and trying to install them side by side? |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | or tried the Debian liveCD ? |
| 23:17.31 | crippledmonk | I could run gparted cd and shrink I suppose. |
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| 23:18.26 | crippledmonk | I know crunchbang isn't supported here. I was just wondering if anyone had seen this issue and thinks it's worth a shot. I really dont wanna be runing win |
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| 23:25.25 | crippledmonk | abrotman: I hadn't really thought about debian via a live cd...duh!...Downloading now and will try that and see if 6.06Gnome will load or not. |
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| 23:25.59 | Rusty1_ | dpkg-reconfigure ran for 3 hours without stopping, stracing it suggests a loop |
| 23:26.24 | Rusty1_ | can i use something else when apt says it must me run? |
| 23:26.31 | Rusty1_ | be run |
| 23:26.44 | Rusty1_ | debconf? |
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| 23:28.20 | PerfDave | Rusty1_: What apt command do you type, and what is its full output including the requirement to run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | crippledmonk: or try wheezy |
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| 23:29.31 | crippledmonk | abrotman: thank you for the advise |
| 23:30.08 | Rusty1_ | PerfDave: aptitude install / remove xserver-xorg , and the return is that dpskg was interrupted and dpkg-reconfigure -a must be run |
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| 23:30.25 | Rusty1_ | i cant cut paste the exact but thats the jist of it |
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| 23:31.41 | PerfDave | Rusty1_: Why can't you give the exact command and result? |
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| 23:33.03 | Rusty1_ | dpkg --clear-selections seems to have fixed it |
| 23:33.03 | dpkg | Rusty1_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 23:38.39 | crippledmonk | abrotman:Do you think stable or wheezy has a better chance to work with this setup. I now have both net install cd's. |
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| 23:39.26 | PerfDave | crippledmonk: Wheezy has a more modern kernel and version of Xorg; Squeeze has been more thoroughly tested. Try both! |
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| 23:40.17 | abrotman | crippledmonk: they both could be broken in different, but equally interesting ways :) |
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| 23:42.06 | crippledmonk | It's always something. I do know when I tried a livecd of porteusos (slackbase i think) x worked ONLY in vesa mode |
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| 23:47.10 | crippledmonk | download for deb live is almost done. then can put over to usb flash drive and attempt a boot. I wonder if x will work or not? it's going to be like a soup can with the label off. Mabey yes mabey no..try, try will tell. The anticipation is killing me..lol |
| 23:47.14 | laddu | o/ Is there a way to put all my emails in POP for icedove? It seems that some emails are going into the POP and some aren't....whats up with that? |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | laddu: that's up to your provider? |
| 23:50.14 | laddu | right, but I'm using hotmail and the only option it gives is to not delete the files... |
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