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| 00:01.12 | blixten | ok no clue actually |
| 00:01.12 | Intensity | ok my wlan0 not showing in ifconfig |
| 00:01.15 | Intensity | help |
| 00:01.19 | blixten | have you checked your ram memory? |
| 00:01.20 | Intensity | i forgot how i disabled it |
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| 00:01.28 | Intensity | i dont see it blacklistsed |
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| 00:02.11 | bernie__ | hellow |
| 00:02.13 | bernie__ | everyone |
| 00:02.33 | bernie__ | just installed Irssi and wanted to make sure i still remembered how to use it |
| 00:02.56 | bernie__ | NOthin like the old style console irc app |
| 00:03.09 | ompaul | bernie__: stop using xchat and you will work it out, now do you have a debian question this being a tech support channel? ;-) |
| 00:03.48 | bernie__ | no #debian was just the first thing that came to mind |
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| 00:04.22 | bernie__ | just making a quick "Radio CHeck" |
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| 00:05.04 | Intensity | no man |
| 00:05.08 | Intensity | xchat is the best |
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| 00:06.15 | Intensity | shit |
| 00:06.23 | Intensity | i forgot how i disabled wifi |
| 00:06.27 | Intensity | help! |
| 00:06.36 | youlysses | Intensity: It's not horrible for a gui-driven client, but it's definitley not what I'd consider the "best". |
| 00:07.02 | youlysses | Intensity: Did you hit a physical hardware-button maybe? |
| 00:07.03 | Intensity | ok calm down youlysses |
| 00:07.06 | Intensity | no |
| 00:07.24 | Intensity | i did it in a config file |
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| 00:07.39 | youlysses | Intensity: ... I'm calm. Atleast calmer that you appear to be. :-P |
| 00:07.49 | Intensity | yah im Intensity |
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| 00:07.54 | Intensity | im allowed |
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| 00:12.30 | abrotman | huglester: get your info ? |
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| 00:21.04 | blackmajic | Im having random disconnects, my dmesg log is flooded with these messages, http://pastebin.ca/2300857. i have a ATHEROS AR9285 wifi card. not sure where to look for a fix or debugging. |
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| 00:26.29 | blackmajic | wow, debian is asleep eh? |
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| 00:26.59 | Crazy-Jake | pokes it with a stick |
| 00:27.05 | bernie_ | hello |
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| 00:27.33 | blackmajic | lol Crazy-Jake |
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| 00:28.13 | abrotman | blackmajic: uname -a ? |
| 00:28.42 | blackmajic | abrotman, Linux blackmajic 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:28.58 | blackmajic | if i dont have too, i dont want to use 3.2 kernel..if possible. |
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| 00:29.50 | abrotman | blackmajic: not going to lie, i'd go for the bpo kernel with that device |
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| 00:30.14 | blackmajic | yeah i was afraid of that, most of the guides talk about sandy bridge, which i dont have on this system |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | blackmajic: why don't you want the 3.2.x in backports.debian.org ? |
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| 00:30.33 | blackmajic | i had it on my server..and it broke EVERYTHING. |
| 00:30.35 | Crazy-Jake | so, ive used this guide here to try to set up my VPS, but i cant access any web pages or the ISPConfig screen. http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-debian-6.0-with-bind-dovecot-and-nginx-ispconfig-3-p3 I dont know what i need to do to get this to work... when i enter the web address the page doesnt load but i can pull up information about the server... |
| 00:30.41 | blackmajic | im afraid its going to do the same with this.. |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | server different than laptop |
| 00:31.13 | blackmajic | abrotman, you got a guide for the bpo ? |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | !tell blackmajic about bpo |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | read the install guide/instructions |
| 00:31.33 | blackmajic | thank you :) |
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| 00:32.05 | abrotman | blackmajic: for a laptop, generally, newer is better, unless the laptop is so old that it uses APM |
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| 00:32.11 | abrotman | which is like 2002 |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | oh, or it's a dell |
| 00:32.48 | blackmajic | thanks for that info..i got a dell im throwing debian on later :P |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:33.12 | blackmajic | why is a new kernel in backports? |
| 00:33.18 | blackmajic | i know. dell sucks. :x |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | so much :( |
| 00:33.34 | blackmajic | thats why it has windows ROFL. |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | the newer kernel is in backports because it's "less official" |
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| 00:34.12 | Jojoo_ | Hello all. |
| 00:34.19 | blackmajic | ahh. |
| 00:34.26 | Jojoo_ | How can i update my cdc_acm driver? |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | Jojoo_: uname -a |
| 00:34.46 | Jojoo_ | I'm using debian 2.6 |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | doesn't want to be the BPO guy today! |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | calls gnarface ! |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Jojoo_ about bpo |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | goes to fry various meats |
| 00:35.54 | Jojoo_ | Since when i use setserial /dev/ttyACM0 i get nothing. |
| 00:36.16 | Jojoo_ | Linux arduino-sna-vnet-us 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:38.19 | blackmajic | abrotman, W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/radeon/SUMO2_me.bin for module radeon :/ |
| 00:38.35 | Crazy-Jake | ah ha! got it! :D |
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| 00:41.50 | BONG_IT | is there any conflict installing built lan when my hardrive was installed debian os inserted to other pc |
| 00:42.27 | jhutchins_wk | Jojoo_: You know 100% more about that than 99% of the people in this channel. |
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| 00:43.25 | alfplayer | BONG_IT: it may be |
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| 00:44.23 | streuner_ | abrotman, why do you provoke people? |
| 00:44.26 | iceroot | hi |
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| 00:44.56 | iceroot | something wrong with my system? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html does deliver a not trusted cert |
| 00:46.05 | iceroot | lists.debian.org uses an invalid security certificate. is what my firefox is telling me |
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| 00:46.37 | streuner_ | iceroot: if you running another browser, what happens then? |
| 00:46.44 | pmo | Do any of you know if gksu has been fixed for debian wheezy yet? |
| 00:47.02 | jagginess | (,anyone use kdenlive?) |
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| 00:47.28 | BONG_IT | oh ic |
| 00:47.32 | iceroot | streuner_: chromium does not bring any errors for the cert |
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| 00:47.58 | BONG_IT | if i can installed the new software of other lan card device in a pc unit that have internet can it? |
| 00:48.05 | streuner_ | iceroot: i hadnt any issue with such things, must be an browser issue, IMO |
| 00:48.21 | iceroot | streuner_: so i guess ff18 is missing a cert |
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| 00:52.53 | AndroidBeing | "kernel: [ 8570.447876] nmbd[10994]: segfault at 7fc76197d328 ip 00007fc763157509 sp 00007fff5fbcf410 error 6 in ld-2.11.3.so[7fc76314c000+1e000]" does anybody know what could be causing this? |
| 00:53.13 | streuner_ | most segfaults are caused by kernel issues... |
| 00:53.36 | streuner_ | so, try another kernel |
| 00:54.09 | streuner_ | or, use another version of samba |
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| 00:55.00 | BONG_IT | guys how to make file command |
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| 01:00.50 | mroe | am I screwed?... I mistakenly deployed a server that has 6 sata ports but with AHCI disabled. This only allowed the first four SATA ports to be used. I just enabled AHCI so I could use the last 2 ports, and now the server doesn't boot |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | streuner__: who did i provoke |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:02.41 | BONG_IT | guys how to make file command |
| 01:02.43 | streuner__ | abrotman: didnt you know that bablien made a ban on gnarface? |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 01:03.14 | streuner__ | abrotman: hm, nevermind, sorry about that then. |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | streuner__: wrong channel? |
| 01:03.41 | BONG_IT | how can i recompile the installer software |
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| 01:04.34 | abrotman | BONG_IT: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 01:16.41 | BONG_IT | i want to recompile the driver of RTL8139 relatek built inlan |
| 01:16.56 | streuner__ | dpkg, listkeys 8139 |
| 01:16.58 | BONG_IT | how can i checked if ive installed that driver |
| 01:16.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by key (6): 8139 ;; 8139c ;; _default 8139 ;; rtl8139 ;; #debian rtl8139 ;; _default rtl8139. |
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| 01:17.19 | streuner__ | dpkg, rtl8139 |
| 01:17.20 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
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| 01:17.51 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: well, it should be supported in Debian |
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| 01:18.36 | BONG_IT | how can i checked if ive installed |
| 01:19.19 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: hm, well, i would use lsmod to check out if the driver is already used |
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| 01:19.53 | haylo | or "lsusb" if it a usb type device |
| 01:20.08 | streuner__ | hm, it shouldnt |
| 01:20.10 | BONG_IT | i use lsmod theres 8139cp 16800 0 and 8139too 2034 0 |
| 01:20.18 | BONG_IT | is this installed already |
| 01:20.24 | streuner__ | sure |
| 01:20.33 | streuner__ | so, its a config issue, IMO |
| 01:20.36 | BONG_IT | is this installed already? |
| 01:20.44 | streuner__ | sure |
| 01:21.02 | BONG_IT | streneur are talking to me? |
| 01:21.08 | streuner__ | yes |
| 01:21.15 | BONG_IT | so is it? |
| 01:21.25 | BONG_IT | installed? |
| 01:21.34 | BONG_IT | correct me if im wrong |
| 01:22.05 | streuner__ | its in lsmod, so the kernel uses its driver, check out <interfaces> |
| 01:22.33 | BONG_IT | ifconfig -a? |
| 01:22.41 | haylo | look in "lspci" and make sure the device is getting recognized. not just that the module is activated |
| 01:23.44 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: you just need to configure that device, thats all |
| 01:23.45 | BONG_IT | ok |
| 01:24.54 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 01:26.46 | BONG_IT | checked streneur here http://paste.debian.net/223294/ |
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| 01:27.36 | streuner__ | hm, why there are 2 entries about eth*? |
| 01:28.13 | haylo | he probably has two ethernet cards |
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| 01:28.23 | BONG_IT | the other one is built in and the other is a in pci |
| 01:28.35 | streuner__ | makes sense then |
| 01:28.47 | BONG_IT | but this hardrive was installed in a other unit pc thats the problem im talking about |
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| 01:29.07 | BONG_IT | sorry for my grammar |
| 01:29.15 | streuner__ | no worries |
| 01:29.44 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: how about to just disable the NIC in BIOS? |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | !tell BONG_IT about z70 |
| 01:29.55 | streuner__ | and use the real one |
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| 01:30.32 | BONG_IT | the persistent? |
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| 01:31.49 | streuner__ | there are 2 options, 1) you disable one NIC of your mobo in BIOS and use the other or 2) you throw out the NIC and use the one in your mobo |
| 01:31.52 | BONG_IT | the story is this i have a other unit pc that built in ethernet lan card,this drive was installed on that since the unit dont have internet connection becoz of the driver of builtin lancard thats why i use other unit |
| 01:32.59 | haylo | BONG_IT: you tried sending a dhcp request ? "sudo dhclient eth0" |
| 01:33.27 | haylo | sometimes thats all you need to get a connection on machine that isnt set up correctly |
| 01:33.39 | BONG_IT | i configure static ip |
| 01:33.43 | haylo | ah |
| 01:34.23 | streuner__ | BONG_IT: should be very easy, if you decide what NIC you want to use, IMO |
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| 01:35.46 | BONG_IT | ok installed now the problem pc unit |
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| 01:40.29 | BONG_IT | ]i have an error |
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| 01:42.42 | BONG_IT | whats wrong with this http://paste.debian.net/223298/ |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | BONG_IT: uname -r? |
| 01:44.00 | BONG_IT | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | ugh |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | BONG_IT: you're on sarge? |
| 01:44.14 | BONG_IT | y |
| 01:44.20 | iio7 | Are running Wheezy on amd64 with a nvidia card. I'm using the "nouveau" driver and not the nvidia non-free. Using mplayer on 1080p x264 movies gives this error: "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nouveau.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | eh .. squeeze |
| 01:44.22 | BONG_IT | what sarge |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | BONG_IT: you're on lenny imean? |
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| 01:44.44 | BONG_IT | yes |
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| 01:44.59 | abrotman | BONG_IT: why/ |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:45.07 | iio7 | I cannot determine whether this is a bug or not. Lots of weird info in the net. Where should "libvdpau_nouveau.so" come from? |
| 01:45.47 | BONG_IT | i tried so many times using squeeze but the problem is when i migrate the webserver functions of lenny some modules not working specially in decrypting videos |
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| 01:45.59 | abrotman | ... |
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| 01:46.46 | iio7 | gonna try the nouveau channel |
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| 01:46.56 | haylo | well BONG_IT the time for learning squeeze is over, you pretty much slept through breakfast lunch and dinner :P |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | and linner |
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| 01:47.16 | BONG_IT | :D |
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| 01:47.38 | BONG_IT | so is there any way to properly function this ether built in lan |
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| 01:50.03 | BONG_IT | RTL8169 still link not ready |
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| 01:52.11 | Towzzer | boing , try the driver from realtek |
| 01:52.22 | Towzzer | it uninstalls that module and uses r8168 |
| 01:52.43 | BONG_IT | ok |
| 01:52.57 | BONG_IT | how to uninstall |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:53.27 | Towzzer | the installer from realtek does that |
| 01:53.30 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:53.53 | BONG_IT | ?? |
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| 01:54.25 | abrotman | wouldn't do that |
| 01:54.27 | BONG_IT | how do i know the realtek version |
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| 01:54.50 | dvs | don't play dat |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | agrees |
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| 01:56.12 | BONG_IT | is my driver is RTL8169? |
| 01:56.20 | BONG_IT | chipset i mean |
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| 01:57.52 | haylo | does it seem feasable to re-user an entire /etc/X11/* from an install where it actually works the way i want it to ? |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | re-user? |
| 01:58.17 | haylo | haha |
| 01:58.21 | haylo | nvm |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | haylo: it's certainly a good idea to keep it for reference |
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| 01:58.46 | haylo | right, will do |
| 01:59.26 | BONG_IT | how can i uninstall the driver |
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| 02:08.17 | zifnab | is there a way (for science) to change /proc/uptime? |
| 02:08.30 | zifnab | completely just out of curiousity, not for any real purpose |
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| 02:09.51 | abrotman | hu? |
| 02:09.54 | haylo | actually I am a bit unclear how files like that maintain their immutability.. perhaps the "noclobber" thing... |
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| 02:10.16 | haylo | how they keep from being changed by the root user* |
| 02:11.14 | BONG_IT | what is the problem in this http://paste.debian.net/223303/ |
| 02:12.49 | zifnab | BONG_IT: line 6 |
| 02:12.51 | zifnab | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:13.01 | zifnab | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.08 | BONG_IT | how can i correct that |
| 02:13.33 | zifnab | install firmware-realtek |
| 02:13.35 | zifnab | from apt |
| 02:13.42 | zifnab | instead of compiling from source? |
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| 02:13.57 | zifnab | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 02:14.01 | BONG_IT | pls help me to compile |
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| 02:15.30 | BONG_IT | pls help me to compile |
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| 02:27.34 | BONG_IT | i need to compile |
| 02:28.28 | BONG_IT | how can i recompile this http://paste.debian.net/223307/ pls help me |
| 02:30.45 | blixten | make clean or make distclean |
| 02:30.51 | blixten | to clean it |
| 02:31.22 | blixten | make && make install should install it |
| 02:31.26 | blixten | read the readme |
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| 02:34.31 | BONG_IT | but i getting the error |
| 02:34.39 | BONG_IT | line 6 in my pastebin |
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| 02:47.25 | BONG_IT | what builder can i download |
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| 02:49.43 | BONG_IT | clear |
| 02:49.51 | BONG_IT | still having the problem with this http://paste.debian.net/223307/ |
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| 02:53.47 | psycode | hi, how's things ? |
| 02:55.29 | blixten | maybe you have nothing to clean then |
| 02:55.36 | blixten | just type make BONG_IT |
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| 02:57.23 | sney | BONG_IT is either missing kernel headers, or the realtek source package is expecting something nonstandard, but either way I don't expect him to give any useful follow up information |
| 02:58.18 | dvs | I'd try the backported kernel first. |
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| 02:58.32 | sney | good luck getting him to understand. |
| 02:58.43 | dvs | yup |
| 02:58.47 | psycode | i need a nice little hard carry case for my blackberry phone |
| 02:58.50 | dvs | agrees |
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| 03:01.38 | BONG_IT | is there anything wrong with this http://paste.debian.net/223309/ |
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| 03:03.43 | sney | only that you specified some kind of fake target at the end |
| 03:03.50 | sney | but it looks like it built the modules |
| 03:04.10 | BONG_IT | how can i correct that |
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| 03:04.29 | BONG_IT | how can i check if it is properl installed |
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| 03:05.07 | carandraug | Hi! Does anyone know if there's a way to remove the apt lists cache (not the deb files. The stuff at /var/lib/apt/lists/)? |
| 03:05.21 | BONG_IT | how can i check if it is properly installed |
| 03:05.48 | BONG_IT | sorry for being noob in linux im just starting last aug 2012 for this kind of work ; ] |
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| 03:06.13 | sney | BONG_IT, all that did is build the modules, not install them. you need to read the instructions. |
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| 03:06.46 | sney | BONG_IT, it is ok to be a noob, but you need to learn to communicate your problems better, and look at all the information that you already have |
| 03:06.48 | BONG_IT | where i can found that build modules |
| 03:06.58 | sney | what? |
| 03:07.01 | sney | carandraug, rm |
| 03:07.29 | BONG_IT | ok sir i will |
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| 03:08.26 | sney | BONG_IT, kernel module files end in .ko |
| 03:08.31 | carandraug | sney, yeah. But the path for them is configurable and I want to write something more portable. I could write something that gets the value with apt-config but I thought one of the apt tools could do it directly. Can't find any on the man pages though... |
| 03:09.08 | BONG_IT | sir in the files of driver only makefil;e and readme files only that |
| 03:09.59 | sney | BONG_IT, look at your paste again. |
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| 03:10.23 | BONG_IT | what is that mean sir make: *** No rule to make target `r8169-6.0.17.00'. Stop. |
| 03:11.13 | sney | that means you typed 'make clean modules r8169-6.0.17.00' and it only knew how to make 'clean' and 'modules' |
| 03:11.38 | sney | so it made clean, then it made modules (built the module), and then it said "I don't know this last one" |
| 03:11.51 | sney | and that's ok. |
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| 03:12.12 | MasterELiTe | |\ /| |
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| 03:12.22 | sney | :| |
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| 03:13.48 | BONG_IT | no rule to make target |
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| 03:15.52 | dvs | waits for idoru |
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| 03:18.52 | BONG_IT | i dont get this no rule to make target |
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| 03:19.50 | acu_ | I'm trying to install my Epson WF-7010 printer and am getting this error message "[FAIL] Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd failed!I need your help |
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| 03:23.51 | sney | BONG_IT, I just told you. |
| 03:24.58 | sney | BONG_IT, the file "Makefile" tells the program "make" what things or "targets" can be made. if the Makefile does not contain something, then it will say "no rule to make target" |
| 03:25.33 | Towzzer | the knights who say sney |
| 03:25.41 | Towzzer | hey sney |
| 03:25.43 | sney | hi |
| 03:27.12 | Towzzer | why is he having so much trouble with a realtek card |
| 03:27.18 | Towzzer | the driver has been in the kernel forever as r8169 |
| 03:29.56 | sney | there are a couple examples that apparently work better with some changes realtek made |
| 03:30.02 | sney | but I think his nic is just broken |
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| 03:33.07 | BIGBOOMBA | I'm trying to get java set up using openjdk and the javac compiler. I deleted the entire /usr/java directory and then ran "apt-get uninstall openjdk-6-jre" because I wanted to reinstall openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jdk. But it looks like the "apt-get uninstall" command also set in motion the INSTALLATION of a bunch of gnu Java files. Why is this? I don't want GNU Java. |
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| 03:34.21 | Towzzer | apt-get remove you mean? |
| 03:34.27 | BIGBOOMBA | Yes. |
| 03:34.38 | dgriffi | BIGBOOMBA: manually deleting stuff wasn't the right thing to do, if that's what you did. |
| 03:34.50 | Towzzer | install the exact same packages again then do apt-get purge <package> |
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| 03:36.12 | BIGBOOMBA | dgriffi: I wanted to switch from the gcj compiler to the javac compiler on the advice of someone in the #clojure channel because I couldn't install Leiningen. |
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| 03:36.55 | dgriffi | BIGBOOMBA: the correct way to do that is to install javac and then deinstall gcj |
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| 03:41.32 | BIGBOOMBA | javac is supposed to be included in OpenJDK. So I had OpenJDK-6-jdk and OpenJDK-6-jre installed, but didn't have javac for some reason. So I went to remove openjdk-6-jre and the command ended up downloading a bunch of GNU java stuff. |
| 03:42.09 | BIGBOOMBA | Whether or not I should have manually deleted /usr/java, why did apt-get remove openjdk-6-jre end up putting a bunch of new stuff in my file system? |
| 03:42.31 | Towzzer | there might have been pending operations |
| 03:42.41 | Towzzer | that it completed on next execution |
| 03:43.07 | BIGBOOMBA | ...what? Why didn't it complete them on the last execution? |
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| 03:44.25 | BIGBOOMBA | Now typing "java -version" gives "java version "1.5.0" gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.4.5" |
| 03:44.37 | Towzzer | I don't know, I'm just speculating |
| 03:44.56 | Towzzer | how about this command, apt-get purge java*;apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 03:45.00 | Towzzer | to clean up your java problem |
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| 03:46.06 | BIGBOOMBA | I just ran those command and then ran "java -version" and I still have GNU java installed |
| 03:46.48 | Towzzer | how about this command, apt-get purge *java*;apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 03:47.02 | Towzzer | forgot about packages that might start with something that's not the word java |
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| 03:47.22 | dvs | BIGBOOMBA: run 'update-java-alternatives' |
| 03:47.56 | BIGBOOMBA | givesme a list of options, I'm thinking I want to use -l? |
| 03:48.41 | dvs | BIGBOOMBA: -s |
| 03:49.33 | BIGBOOMBA | "update-java-alternatives -s" gives me the same list of options. |
| 03:49.56 | dvs | oops, first -l then -s <name> |
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| 03:50.59 | BIGBOOMBA | well, i just went to java.com and it says i don't have java installed, though "java -version" tells me that i have java version 1.5..0, gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.4.5 |
| 03:52.00 | BIGBOOMBA | and i just want to get rid of that and get openjre and openjdk instead. |
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| 04:28.03 | BONG_IT | im getting hard to this error make: *** No rule to make target `r8169-6.0.17.00'. Stop. |
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| 04:34.13 | BONG_IT | if i upgrade my kernel 2.2.26 to new is my built in lancard wrking |
| 04:35.37 | civillian | wow 2.2 is really old |
| 04:35.53 | sney | BONG_IT, I really can't imagine how you can be this dense. |
| 04:36.44 | sney | maybe you should go work in some other industry. I don't think server administration is right for you. |
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| 04:37.05 | BONG_IT | oh |
| 04:37.13 | BONG_IT | im just starting |
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| 04:39.27 | sney | BONG_IT, "make: *** No rule to make target `r8169-6.0.17.00'. Stop." is not a problem, it only happened because you typed the wrong thing. I told you that module files end in '.ko' and you went back and looked at your paste and somehow missed where it shows you where the new .ko file is |
| 04:40.01 | sney | IRC people will not be around to explain every little piece of your job to you forever |
| 04:40.22 | sney | you need to learn how to figure this stuff out on your own, and look at the things the computer is telling you and try to understand them yourself |
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| 04:42.43 | sney | there is a difference between "just starting" and being incompetent |
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| 04:45.17 | sevenfourk | fellas. anyone got decent howto anywhere near and/or some tips on how to built custom (not in debian repos) package for i386 arch, on amd64 |
| 04:45.35 | sevenfourk | s/built/build |
| 04:46.02 | civillian | have you goggled that? |
| 04:46.10 | sevenfourk | yes |
| 04:46.14 | civillian | no love? |
| 04:46.21 | sevenfourk | not much :-) |
| 04:46.23 | sney | sevenfourk, I'd start by reading the new maintainer's guide, then look at pbuilder and multiarch |
| 04:46.39 | BONG_IT | ok sney copy that all u want me to say |
| 04:46.42 | LtL | BONG_IT: if you're just starting what are you doing with a 2.2 kernel? |
| 04:47.09 | sney | LtL, no, he has a lenny system, but the difference between 2.6.26 and 2.2.26 is too much for him to handle |
| 04:47.22 | LtL | BONG_IT: start over.. fresh, up to date :) |
| 04:47.39 | sevenfourk | I would like to install gcc like in slot, but that just wants my native amd64 gcc to be removed, which is not very preferable |
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| 04:48.34 | sevenfourk | sney: thanks. |
| 04:49.01 | sney | it's likely to be easier on wheezy than squeeze. also, you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net if you get stuck. |
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| 04:51.08 | sevenfourk | sney: I'm on wheezy, so I guess not of a problem |
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| 04:51.15 | sevenfourk | *not much* |
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| 04:56.44 | alexy | hi, guys, how come my debian box has high cached memory in free command result? the box is running postgresql db server and dozen of cronjobs. thanks a lot!! |
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| 04:58.10 | iToast | Yo, just some tips when downloading Debian |
| 04:58.19 | iToast | IF you can, ALWAYS USE THE BITTORRENT METHOD ITS FASTER! |
| 04:58.24 | civillian | alexy: probably just filled with file system cache |
| 04:58.41 | iToast | If you must use the HTTP method, Wait until 12~ AM In canada, the servers seem to be under the least load at that time |
| 04:58.53 | LtL | alexy: because linux treats free memory as memory wasted, it will be free when it's needed. |
| 04:58.56 | iToast | And never let your computer go into sleep mode while downloadng :L |
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| 04:59.08 | iToast | LtL, Linux doesn't, the users do. |
| 04:59.27 | tt | hey, I'm futzing with debconf, and I'm trying to figure out how preseeding and priority interact |
| 04:59.35 | iToast | LtL, People go on how if memory isn't used its wasted, even if its not needed |
| 04:59.45 | tt | if I give it a preseed file and say priority=low, will it still ask those questions even if they're in the preseed file? |
| 04:59.56 | sney | alexy, http://www.linuxatemyram.com (and anyone else who wants to know about disk caching) |
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| 05:00.12 | LtL | iToast: agreed |
| 05:00.26 | alexy | civillian, I guessed so, but i'm wondering why the fs cache is still so high when db needs a lot mem to cache table pages |
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| 05:01.25 | iToast | I'm converting my second desktop to Debian |
| 05:01.28 | iToast | It's currently running 7 |
| 05:02.27 | iToast | How well are ATI cards supported in Debian |
| 05:02.37 | iToast | I know Nvidia is a nightmare |
| 05:03.00 | sney | they are about equally annoying actually |
| 05:03.09 | sney | nvidia is basically fine as long as it isn't optimus |
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| 05:03.17 | iToast | sney, Have you tried to get a Nvidia driver on Linux? |
| 05:03.25 | sney | yes, I have a gtx 560 in my desktop |
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| 05:03.35 | iToast | When you ask for help in a IRC channel everyone complaisn they don't opensource their tech they spend millions of dollars on |
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| 05:03.52 | iToast | and when you finally get help, they usually say to get a new videocard :p |
| 05:03.54 | sney | and I've had a succession of nvidia gpus over the years. it's sort of a pain to make it work, and that's a lot of the reason for it, but it does work |
| 05:04.02 | sney | you're probably hanging out in ##linux or something |
| 05:04.13 | iToast | sney, Linux hates the geforce 210 |
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| 05:04.39 | sney | #debian is frequently helping people with the nvidia blob, since it's annoying to install, but once it's installed it works pretty well. the same goes for ati's fglrx. |
| 05:04.53 | iToast | sney, 6450? |
| 05:05.09 | sney | the 210, is that one of the split nvidia/intel ones? those just don't work properly and nvidia has no intention of developing a proper linux driver for them |
| 05:05.20 | sney | 6450 should be fine, at least on wheezy |
| 05:05.30 | iToast | K |
| 05:05.38 | iToast | What is a good window manager and DE |
| 05:06.17 | sney | there are lots. I personally prefer cinnamon, but some people really like kde, gnome3, xfce, etc |
| 05:06.27 | iToast | I love Gnome and xfce |
| 05:06.34 | sney | as a debian user you can install all of them and test them out if you want |
| 05:06.37 | iToast | but neither gives me that "Just works" feeling |
| 05:06.40 | sney | all you need is disk space |
| 05:06.53 | Malf | hmm |
| 05:07.03 | Guest72192 | do you enjoy bloat? |
| 05:07.03 | crip1969 | I personally am ok with gnome 2 or openbox |
| 05:07.05 | Malf | seems like post-upgrade to wheezy automount for USB just stopped working |
| 05:07.22 | iToast | Guest72192, you say bloat, I say smoothness |
| 05:07.32 | sney | memory is there to be used, after all |
| 05:07.35 | sney | as long as it's quick |
| 05:07.38 | Malf | although manually mounting as root seems to work just fine |
| 05:07.40 | Guest72192 | Smoothness as in? |
| 05:07.49 | iToast | Guest72192, Snappy? |
| 05:07.55 | iToast | Sexy? |
| 05:08.04 | Malf | anyone know if the automounting mechanism in gnome-shell/wheezy is different from the one used in gnome/squeeze? |
| 05:08.08 | Guest72192 | Awesome seems pretty sexy to me |
| 05:08.10 | Guest72192 | and smooth |
| 05:08.18 | iToast | Guest72192, Leave. |
| 05:08.28 | iToast | Awesome is a disaster to get running |
| 05:08.31 | Guest72192 | what? |
| 05:08.41 | Guest72192 | Debian default configs are great |
| 05:08.43 | iToast | I tried Awesome on my HTPC, it's a mess. |
| 05:08.52 | iToast | I just went to xfce |
| 05:08.58 | Guest72192 | mind if I ask how? |
| 05:09.04 | Guest72192 | apt-get install awesome |
| 05:09.05 | Guest72192 | awesome |
| 05:09.11 | iToast | Guest72192, Tried that :L |
| 05:09.12 | Guest72192 | assuming you have xorg setup |
| 05:09.18 | Guest72192 | then awesome is that easy to set up |
| 05:09.28 | iToast | i still radther have XFCE |
| 05:09.33 | Guest72192 | yeah |
| 05:09.34 | iToast | For now I'm going to setup a Debian VPC |
| 05:09.46 | zykotick9 | question about terminal/console colour support. in a real vt, running "elinks test.html" shows colour. running the same in: rxvt-unicode, urxvt-unicode-256color (sic), or xterm = no colour. what am i missing/ignorant of? (confirmed colour support with some random 256colors2.pl found on the net. i'm not ruling out an elinks issue?) |
| 05:09.52 | iToast | Run it in my second screen, I wish ther ewas parralells for Windows |
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| 05:10.34 | Malf | Things still show up in the UI. Just tells me not authorized when I try to access the drive (which is not mounted) |
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| 05:11.09 | sney | Malf, it is different between gnome 3 and 2 (almost everything is) but it should still work. are you in the plugdev group? also, does it work if you create a new user account? |
| 05:11.12 | iToast | The stupidiest thing I heard from a guy who says he know's what he's doing with pcs. |
| 05:11.24 | iToast | He uses Crossfire with SLI on a Single Nvidia card. |
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| 05:11.30 | Malf | yeah I'm in plugdev |
| 05:11.35 | Malf | haven't tried a new user yet |
| 05:11.37 | Malf | maybe I'll give that a shot tomorrow |
| 05:11.38 | sney | that's pretty bad but I've heard worse in the last hour |
| 05:11.40 | Malf | could've been a user account upgrade fail |
| 05:11.48 | iToast | I didn't correct him as I didn't want to break his confidence |
| 05:12.08 | sney | Malf, since there are so many changes between gnome 2 and 3 it could be something in ~/.gnome that's causing the problem |
| 05:12.13 | Malf | *nod* |
| 05:12.16 | Malf | good call |
| 05:12.21 | Malf | I'll try a new user account soon |
| 05:12.23 | iToast | He uses Crossfire with SLI on a Single Nvidia card. |
| 05:12.26 | faustische | Hi, I'm going to build a debian package from the Transmission source code. It has a "./configure" command, shall I issue ./configure before "dh_make -f" or before "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc"? |
| 05:12.40 | Malf | been working around gdm3 lately because I've been hitting issues with it failing to log me in on this user also |
| 05:12.42 | faustische | shall I run ./configure at all? |
| 05:12.50 | Malf | although I think that was tied to a known bug |
| 05:12.55 | Malf | but either way a new user is probably worth playing with |
| 05:13.00 | Malf | thanks for the suggestions |
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| 05:13.14 | iToast | sney, he uses Crossfire with SLI on a Single videocard |
| 05:13.16 | iToast | a Nvidia card |
| 05:13.27 | iToast | I said I like linux, he said he prefers x86... |
| 05:13.32 | sney | I heard you the first time. and I said that's pretty bad but I've heard worse in the last hour |
| 05:13.39 | iToast | Yet he loves x64. |
| 05:13.40 | sney | he sounds like a paper tech |
| 05:13.45 | iToast | sney, he works for Bell |
| 05:13.57 | sney | anyway, #debian is a support channel; chat like that goes to #debian-offtopic please |
| 05:14.33 | sney | too much random gets crazy in a channel with 1200 people so we keep a lid on it :) |
| 05:14.37 | iToast | sney, Debian remote desktop alternative? |
| 05:14.49 | iToast | sney, not new here |
| 05:14.58 | sney | remote desktop, if you want. packaged as xrdp and rdesktop |
| 05:15.08 | iToast | sney, I mean a alternative for Debian |
| 05:15.14 | iToast | Aka I can remotely login to my Debian machines |
| 05:15.38 | sney | and that's the answer I gave you. xrdp is a RDP server |
| 05:15.48 | iToast | sney, Ok I'm a idiot :p |
| 05:15.56 | iToast | sney, what about controlling them from other Linux box's? |
| 05:15.58 | sney | it has built-in auth and I quite like it actually. there's also vnc of course, and NX |
| 05:16.02 | sney | rdesktop is the client |
| 05:16.06 | iToast | Screw VNC >_> |
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| 05:16.46 | sney | VNC has its uses, but it's pretty old and could stand to have features |
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| 05:16.57 | iToast | sney, it needs to reform for better speeds |
| 05:17.21 | iToast | sney, radmin is able to provide the experience that you're infont of hte machine, so is RDP |
| 05:17.48 | asciiker | Hello everyone, I'm looking for an opensource failover for VMs without downtime (I believe it can be achieved nowadays). Anyone want to point me in the right direction? I'm using VMWare Server 2 on Debian 6 minimal install. |
| 05:17.49 | Rusty1 | ssh with x forwarding ? |
| 05:17.59 | iToast | Rusty1, Never tried that |
| 05:18.19 | asciiker | This could be done with sarge but I can't find solid info on how to achieve this in Squeeze 64 |
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| 05:19.29 | sney | itoast: rdp is really bandwidth light too. it splits the screen into tiles about 20x20 pixels and only updates the tiles that change. you'll notice it get wonky if you try using something that's constantly updating the whole screen over a WAN connection |
| 05:19.45 | sney | asciiker, sorry, vmware isn't supported in #debian |
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| 05:21.08 | asciiker | sney: what I'm looking for is HA using hearbeat. HyperVisor shouldn't matter |
| 05:21.11 | rjsalts | hrm weird, I'm using http://www.jms1.net/code/allow-backup for rsync backup with some additional commands allowed |
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| 05:21.48 | faustische | is this ok? "./configure --prefix=/usr" |
| 05:21.53 | asciiker | sney, or so I believe, anyway |
| 05:22.03 | faustische | or shall it be "./configure --prefix=/usr/bin"? |
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| 05:22.18 | sney | faustische, only if you don't care about respecting debian packaging. and it would be /usr not /usr/bin |
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| 05:22.39 | rjsalts | one of which is "echo date - hostname - [Duration: ] > /path/to/lastsync" yet the file doesn't get created |
| 05:22.51 | sney | faustische, if you're installing something locally it's better to use --prefix=/usr/local so it doesn't conflict with apt-installed stuff |
| 05:23.15 | enyawix | debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso package list or description? |
| 05:23.17 | faustische | sney, but the debian site recommends against /usr/local |
| 05:23.30 | sney | faustische, only for official packages. are you making a package? |
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| 05:23.32 | rjsalts | could it be a quoting issue? since it's using SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND to do its dirty work? |
| 05:23.42 | faustische | sney, and if you don't force the source code not to install /usr/local, it won't build! |
| 05:23.47 | faustische | sney, yes |
| 05:24.00 | faustische | sney, I'm building a deb package |
| 05:24.05 | iToast | Hurray For Vmware Player :) |
| 05:24.13 | sney | faustische, read the new maintainer's guide and it will tell you absolutely everything you need to know. and if you have questions, ask them in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:24.26 | faustische | sney, thank you |
| 05:24.40 | sney | when building a package you should never be calling configure manually. |
| 05:25.18 | sney | enyawix, it exists, I've seen it before... but I can't remember where |
| 05:25.22 | faustische | sney, what should I do instead? |
| 05:25.40 | rjsalts | ah, it's not using the bash builtin |
| 05:25.43 | sney | faustische, you should be using debhelper like the guide tells you. |
| 05:25.44 | faustische | sney, I've read the maintainer manuals but the say nothing about the "configure" command :( |
| 05:25.56 | faustische | sney, oh, I see |
| 05:26.06 | sney | faustische, right, because debhelper and/or dpkg-buildpackage does that for you, along with other necessary tasks |
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| 05:26.23 | faustische | sney, wow, thank you so much :) |
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| 05:27.27 | sney | !tell faustische about debian/rules |
| 05:27.49 | faustische | sney, already done that |
| 05:27.56 | crip1969 | so deb 6.06 installed but monitor goes off when gdm starts. NOT BLANK ACTUALLY OFF. just before it says Unknown Mode H 75.1khz v 74.8hz going to sleep |
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| 05:28.55 | sney | crip1969, whatever video mode it was trying to do is out of range for the monitor so it gave up |
| 05:29.00 | crip1969 | If I remove via purge xserver-xorg-video-intel then gdm will start fine. any ideas? it's a desktop Dell Optiplex 745 intel Q965/q963 chip |
| 05:29.13 | psiklops | good morning |
| 05:30.05 | psiklops | Do the LiveCDs contain wpasupplicant or the possiblity to connect with WLAN / WPA2 ... ? |
| 05:30.05 | crip1969 | any ideas on getting this to work proper or am I stuck doing the other method. |
| 05:30.25 | psiklops | LiveCDs from: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live |
| 05:30.28 | sney | crip1969, you could try the Xorg from backports |
| 05:30.53 | iToast | yo |
| 05:30.54 | sney | psiklops, I don't think so, #debian-live on irc.oftc.net would know for sure. the kmuto and wheezy installers do though |
| 05:30.58 | iToast | What's Ontario CA's timezone :s |
| 05:31.03 | sney | EST |
| 05:31.07 | iToast | Ty |
| 05:32.00 | crip1969 | sney: how do I do that. I'm not a complete dunce but still a nix noob. I'm using that box currently in different tty with irssi |
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| 05:32.42 | sney | crip1969, http://backports.debian.org/ follow the instructions to enable backports, then 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg' |
| 05:32.49 | psiklops | sney, NetInstall CDs ? |
| 05:33.16 | sney | psiklops, right. not the squeeze installer, just the wheezy (testing) and kmuto (updated squeeze) installers |
| 05:33.44 | psiklops | sney, kool |
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| 05:34.26 | crip1969 | sney: I'll go check that and try thanks. |
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| 05:35.25 | iToast | sney, I got deiban installing in Vmware Player nicely |
| 05:35.26 | iToast | Debian* |
| 05:35.36 | iToast | 2GB of ram 20GB drive |
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| 05:41.52 | BONG_IT | how can i know the chipset of my lan card |
| 05:42.22 | iToast | BONG_IT, I just use ifconfig myself |
| 05:42.35 | iToast | I beleive that's the CMD, I've not had to check my network cards in a long time |
| 05:42.38 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: ethtool -i eth0 |
| 05:43.05 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: or eth1, etc. |
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| 05:43.25 | iToast | rjsalts, don't mention anything above eth0. |
| 05:43.44 | iToast | Most people get crazy about it and confused and have problems with it... |
| 05:44.49 | rjsalts | I'm still confused about my problem, even though I've installed /bin/echo it's still not writing to the file |
| 05:45.46 | iToast | rjsalts, what |
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| 05:47.11 | rjsalts | iToast: my comment from 16:21 +1100 |
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| 05:47.57 | rjsalts | running "echo date - hostname - [Duration: ] > /path/to/lastsync" via ssh |
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| 05:49.26 | BONG_IT | how can i uninstall old driver in debian |
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| 05:51.39 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: there is no such thing |
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| 06:00.17 | BONG_IT | how can i fix this clock skew detected |
| 06:00.38 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: pastebinit |
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| 06:04.12 | BONG_IT | here mmnicolas http://paste.debian.net/223328/ |
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| 06:05.17 | mmnicolas | oh, well, either your system clock is wrong, or it was wrong when the file was unpacked, or the file was packaged in the future |
| 06:06.29 | mmnicolas | but why are you doing what you're doing exactly ? |
| 06:07.09 | BONG_IT | im was trying to install driver of built in ethernet card |
| 06:07.22 | mmnicolas | using squeeze in probably recent hardware, building modules agaisnt the stock kernel, isn't this supported in the kernel from the backports ? |
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| 06:09.26 | mmnicolas | a 3.2.0 kernel is the backports |
| 06:10.06 | mmnicolas | or upgrade to wheezy, it's just few months away from stable |
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| 06:25.23 | xbanux | Hi all...i have a debian server with multiple users...all users can have privileged access through "sudo". I was wondering if there's a way which i can disable "sudo -i" & "sudo -s" since i dont want the users to execute commands as root. |
| 06:25.38 | xbanux | any ideas on how i can acheive that? |
| 06:26.00 | mmnicolas | well, they still can execute commands as root |
| 06:26.05 | mmnicolas | that's what sudo is for |
| 06:26.34 | Guest72192 | mmnicolas I guess he doesn't want to have users practice the carelessness that running a shell as root is |
| 06:26.42 | mmnicolas | they could still use sudo su or sudo bash |
| 06:26.45 | Guest72192 | xbanux there is no exact solution for this |
| 06:26.47 | Guest72192 | yeah |
| 06:26.54 | Guest72192 | they can do sudo any_shell_thing |
| 06:26.56 | mmnicolas | xbanux: I personnally restrict them to a set of commands instead |
| 06:27.00 | Guest72192 | yeah |
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| 06:28.50 | mmnicolas | xbanux: "joe ALL=/usr/bin/aptitude,/usr/bin/apt-get" something like that |
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| 06:38.30 | xbanux | ok thanks for the suggestions guys...i guess i'll have to allow only certain commands instead.. |
| 06:41.36 | boudiccas | When i installed this installation of wheezy i had a brain fart and also set it up with tasksel as a 'Print Server' and also as a 'SSH Server'. How now do i remove those qualities please? |
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| 06:46.06 | rjsalts | boudiccas: I'd use aptitude and go into the tasks and hit the - key on that task |
| 06:46.33 | rjsalts | boudiccas: tasks just install a set of packages defined in the task |
| 06:46.34 | peterrooney | tasksel remove print-server # why do people do things the hard way? |
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| 06:47.13 | peterrooney | boudiccas: tasksel remove print-server |
| 06:47.22 | rjsalts | peterrooney: because I'm not familiar with tasksel ;) |
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| 06:48.49 | zykotick9 | can aptitude be used to search for tasks? |
| 06:50.32 | peterrooney | zykotick9: sure. aptitude search '~tprint-server' |
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| 06:51.11 | peterrooney | zykotick9: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html covers what aptitude can search for |
| 06:51.30 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: sorry. that does show the package, but what i really wanted was it's contents. my fault for poor question. |
| 06:51.32 | boudiccas | peterrooney: brilliant thanks, that’s sorted it. |
| 06:52.14 | peterrooney | zykotick9: you mean, dpkg -L packagename # shows what files are in a package |
| 06:52.30 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: i think "apt-cache depends task-print-server" was what i was looking for. thanks. |
| 06:52.32 | peterrooney | boudiccas: you're welcome |
| 06:54.43 | zykotick9 | i always assumed "file-server" during install meant Samba. and it does - but nfs it there too. 1 package to meet nfs serving, 8 for samba ;) |
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| 07:10.01 | ttv | updating xenstore-utils vom 4.0.1-5.4 to 4.0.1-5.5 prevents 32 bit domu to start on an amd64 xen hypervisor anyone a idee who to pin this issue down? or already known? |
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| 07:14.37 | zykotick9 | wonders why he didn't set "g" as a bash alias for "grep -i " a long time ago... |
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| 07:38.44 | enyawix | wheezy live gnome shell live installer? |
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| 07:51.24 | whitefang | hey. how would I format an 8GB SD card to only use 2GB of it as fat |
| 07:51.27 | whitefang | and then the rest of it unformatted |
| 07:51.57 | blixten | fdisk |
| 07:52.28 | whitefang | and that's safe to use with an SD card? |
| 07:53.07 | blixten | safe? |
| 07:53.37 | whitefang | i'm familiar with fdisk. just didn't occur to me that I could use it on an SD card |
| 07:54.01 | Sm0ke0ut | sure you can :) |
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| 08:02.41 | whitefang | so that's perfectly safe to do to an 8GB sd card? |
| 08:02.45 | whitefang | when don't I have to format it somehow? |
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| 08:21.50 | beliveyourdream | what is the recommended way to add a path to system PATH ?? |
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| 08:28.23 | BONG_IT | how can i fix this |
| 08:28.24 | BONG_IT | http://paste.debian.net/223328/ |
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| 08:32.30 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: pastebin ls -l /home/medlin/Desktop/r8168-8.035.00/src /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 ; date |
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| 08:37.11 | gnarface | :( |
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| 08:37.32 | BONG_IT | whats next ChrisH |
| 08:37.36 | beliveyourdream | anyone ?? |
| 08:38.05 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: where is the URL? |
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| 08:38.26 | gnarface | beliveyourdream: add it to your ~/.bash_profile or whatever you're using for your post-login script |
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| 08:38.50 | ttv | beliveyourdream: or if it is a system wide path put it into /etc/profile |
| 08:39.12 | BONG_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/223350/ |
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| 08:40.28 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: I did not ask to CD but LS... Please copy and paste the commands! Once more: pastebin ls -l /home/medlin/Desktop/r8168-8.035.00/src /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 ; date |
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| 08:41.23 | BONG_IT | ok w8 |
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| 08:47.35 | Dudalus | teudeu |
| 08:47.59 | BONG_IT | here ChrisH http://paste.debian.net/223351/ |
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| 08:48.32 | BONG_IT | wrong sori |
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| 08:49.04 | BONG_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/223352/ |
| 08:50.10 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: Your systen time is completly wrong: Fri Jan 2 11:58:27 PHT 2009 We habe 2013 :) |
| 08:51.17 | BONG_IT | how can i change when i change it it returns to the 2009 |
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| 08:53.21 | ChrisH | do you have ntp in place? if not installing ntpdate would be the fasted way. apt-get install ntpdate |
| 08:53.55 | BONG_IT | when i change the date it return to 2009 |
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| 08:55.22 | BONG_IT | when i change the date it return to 2009 |
| 08:55.53 | youlysses | I forgot, how should I generate a UUID for one of my drives? |
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| 08:57.19 | BONG_IT | pls help me |
| 08:57.41 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: Why do you not answer my question? Do you have NTP in place/installed? |
| 08:57.42 | mmnicolas | youlysses: formatting it, you can retrieve it with blkid |
| 08:57.49 | BONG_IT | none sir |
| 08:58.07 | youlysses | mmnicolas: So it's not a preset thing? |
| 08:58.27 | mmnicolas | youlysses: yes it's generated at formatting |
| 08:58.36 | youlysses | mmnicolas: Ok, thanks. :-) |
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| 08:58.59 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: then install ntpdate: apt-get install ntpdate and ntp will take care of date/time |
| 08:59.26 | BONG_IT | but i dnt have internet |
| 08:59.43 | BONG_IT | that why i cant make modules of the driver of realtek |
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| 09:00.04 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: how are you writing to me? different computer? |
| 09:00.21 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: again, have you considered trying the kernel from the backports, or upgrading to wheezy ? |
| 09:01.01 | BONG_IT | yes |
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| 09:01.12 | mmnicolas | ChrisH: I think his wifi works, but not ethernet |
| 09:01.21 | mmnicolas | oh |
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| 09:02.22 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: it's still not supported by 3.2.0 and you're building a module for it agaisnt 2.6.26 |
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| 09:04.11 | BONG_IT | i already install ntp |
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| 09:07.45 | mmnicolas | It should be able to keep time by itself, might loose a few secs over years, not the other way around |
| 09:09.47 | BONG_IT | how can i change thaht |
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| 09:12.30 | mmnicolas | run tzconfig |
| 09:13.51 | ksuhku | and it might now hurt to correct the hardware clock as well |
| 09:13.55 | ksuhku | *not |
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| 09:14.59 | ChrisH | or... run "grep server /etc/ntp.conf" select one of the mentioned servers and run "ntpdate SERVERNAME" |
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| 09:15.28 | mmnicolas | init scripts take care of that |
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| 09:16.41 | BONG_IT | my lcpci - v is this i just want to use the kernel driver r8168 |
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| 09:19.28 | BONG_IT | http://paste.debian.net/223355/ |
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| 09:21.29 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: pastebin your dmesg |
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| 09:23.44 | BONG_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/223356/ |
| 09:24.16 | BONG_IT | my compatible driver is r8168 |
| 09:25.07 | wols_ | BONG_IT: firmware-realtek is installed? |
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| 09:25.48 | wols_ | BONG_IT: what's the output of your uname -r ? |
| 09:26.02 | mmnicolas | let me guess, udev renamed your interface now the interface configuration doesn't work |
| 09:26.22 | wols_ | or that |
| 09:26.52 | BONG_IT | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:26.54 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: try deleting all entries from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot |
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| 09:28.29 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: have you replaced the network card ? there was another one before right ? |
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| 09:28.52 | wols_ | BONG_IT: upgrade your debian. lenny is not supported anymore |
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| 09:29.41 | BONG_IT | this was built in lan card |
| 09:29.52 | BONG_IT | before it was wrking |
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| 09:30.25 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: I asked yesterday for ifconfig -a output to pastbin, please do now. |
| 09:30.43 | mmnicolas | wow, I didnt even notice, thats why he was ignoring me why I suggested backports or upgrading to wheezy |
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| 09:31.41 | BONG_IT | ok |
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| 09:33.40 | BONG_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/223359/ |
| 09:35.11 | ChrisH | BONG_IT: what is eth1 used for? |
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| 09:35.23 | BONG_IT | use for what |
| 09:35.29 | BONG_IT | internet |
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| 09:35.55 | mmnicolas | doesnt it bother you that udev is renaming it ? |
| 09:36.24 | BONG_IT | a while a go it was working |
| 09:36.55 | mmnicolas | delete all entries from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot |
| 09:37.08 | ChrisH | In lspci I do see _only_ 1 Network card with Kernel driver in use: r8169; in ifconfig -a I do see _1_ network card with an assigned IP... so where is the problem? Please answer in a complete sentence! |
| 09:37.09 | BONG_IT | ok |
| 09:37.23 | bullgard4 | Iceweasel shows me the website http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ in German. How can I persuade it to show it in English? |
| 09:37.36 | BONG_IT | i just want to use the kernel r8168 |
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| 09:37.55 | ChrisH | bullgard4: setup iceweasel to offer en before de :) |
| 09:38.49 | bullgard4 | :) |
| 09:39.13 | wols_ | BONG_IT: and why would you want to do that? |
| 09:39.16 | ChrisH | bullgard4: is that answer sufficient or not? |
| 09:39.41 | BONG_IT | becoz that kernel is the correct driver of built in ethernet card |
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| 09:39.51 | BONG_IT | a while ago it was working den |
| 09:40.02 | ChrisH | bullgard4: Preferences / content / Language |
| 09:40.15 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: No, it is not sufficient because I do not know how to set up Iceweasel to prefer English for German. |
| 09:40.23 | wols_ | BONG_IT: no |
| 09:40.39 | wols_ | realtek has tons of 1GBit NICs and they all use the same driver, the one you are using right now |
| 09:40.49 | wols_ | many different chip names |
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| 09:40.59 | BONG_IT | so how can i worked it again |
| 09:41.40 | BONG_IT | upon checking lspci -v kernel driver in use is 8169 i have kernel modules r8168 |
| 09:42.22 | BONG_IT | den when i recomppile i have a problem about skew time and i already installed the ntp still the time getting back to 2009 |
| 09:42.28 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: do you do the thing ? |
| 09:42.45 | mmnicolas | do it |
| 09:43.48 | BONG_IT | what thing? |
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| 09:44.33 | mmnicolas | I'll paste it again.. delete all entries from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and reboot |
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| 09:44.45 | BONG_IT | whats that sr sd need updating in dmesg |
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| 09:44.57 | BONG_IT | yes ill delete and then restarted |
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| 09:45.35 | mmnicolas | so you already restarted but will delete it in the future, thats not what we planned |
| 09:45.48 | BONG_IT | upon checking lspci -v kernel driver in use is 8169 below that kernel modules r8168 |
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| 09:46.13 | pbase | can someone guide me in applying this patch on my kernel (3.2.0-4) ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42932 |
| 09:47.10 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: can you paste your new dmesg then |
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| 09:50.37 | BONG_IT | here http://paste.debian.net/223365/ |
| 09:50.50 | BONG_IT | mnicolas here http://paste.debian.net/223365/ |
| 09:52.18 | mmnicolas | ..and ifconfig -a again ? |
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| 09:52.50 | mmnicolas | with a "ping 8.8.8.8" |
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| 09:53.52 | BONG_IT | unreachable |
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| 09:54.49 | BONG_IT | my realtek RTL8111/8168B pcie express gigabit ethernet controller |
| 09:54.56 | BONG_IT | upon checking lspci |
| 09:54.58 | mmnicolas | pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" and "route" |
| 09:57.52 | zykotick9 | after following <dmm pinning>, how do you install from that repo? it there a required -t option or something else required? just "aptitude install handbrake-cli" complains about various dependencies not being installed, yet if I change the pinning from 101 to 500 it will install normally. |
| 09:58.06 | BONG_IT | here device not found in ifconfig route http://paste.debian.net/223368/ |
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| 09:58.40 | mmnicolas | what |
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| 09:59.16 | mmnicolas | from that everything looks fine |
| 09:59.34 | BONG_IT | upon checking lsmod i have r8169 and r8169 |
| 09:59.43 | BONG_IT | \how can i remove that r8169 |
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| 10:00.00 | BONG_IT | theres no TX output their |
| 10:00.33 | mmnicolas | don't you think this installation is screwed enough ? and it's lenny on top of that |
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| 10:00.54 | franco00 | I am planning to change my root password. The password I am planning to use is the same as my GPG account. Is that secure? I mean, let's say my laptop gets stolen, can the root password be retreived? |
| 10:01.24 | mmnicolas | franco00: it's unlikely |
| 10:02.33 | franco00 | mmnicolas: thanks. Can you elaborate on the 'unlikely' part? Unlikely that a malicious user would try to retreive my password or unlikely that s/he would succed? |
| 10:02.45 | meti | if the hd is unencrypted, it's not so unlikely |
| 10:02.46 | wols_ | franco00: yes and no. the hash from your /etc/shadow can be brute forced but it's already salted. And the gpg key can also be brute forced tho the shadow has is probably a bit weaker. however: the brute forced hash from shadow isn't necessarily your gpg password... |
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| 10:02.49 | mmnicolas | franco00: they can bruteforce it |
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| 10:03.24 | wols_ | franco00: a hash means many many passwords resolve to the same hash |
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| 10:03.36 | franco00 | it's very difficult to brute force my gpg password |
| 10:04.07 | mmnicolas | franco00: if you have a strong password, I wouldnt worry much |
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| 10:04.29 | wols_ | generally, if you use the same secret for two different cleartexts and the attacker gets both ciphertexts, it's easier to attack then with only a single ciphertext |
| 10:04.34 | wols_ | that's always the case |
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| 10:06.51 | franco00 | thanks everyone, I will act appropriately |
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| 10:10.07 | BONG_IT | \how can i remove that r8169 |
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| 10:12.43 | BONG_IT | how can checked skew smthng |
| 10:12.46 | claint | meh, degraded raid. It has been a while since I did a raid recovery.... |
| 10:12.54 | BONG_IT | how can i fix that |
| 10:13.14 | wols_ | BONG_IT: cause realtek writes bad drivers? |
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| 10:18.56 | shomon | hi, I have arandr, but can I get it or a monitor app to sit on the panel? |
| 10:19.21 | shomon | in xfce... |
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| 10:21.10 | goto10 | Hello! Under Gnome, is it possible to have a link to a folder on the desktop? So that when I click on it, I end up in that folder? For example I would like to have a link to /my/music/ on the desktop. So when I click on it, I have nautilus open in /my/music/ |
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| 10:26.10 | youlysses | goto10: Are we talking 2.x or 3.x? |
| 10:27.32 | goto10 | youlysses: 2 |
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| 10:28.10 | mmnicolas | goto10: left click, Make a link and drag it |
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| 10:28.25 | shomon | goto10: you could write a little script that ran "nautilus /my/music/" ? |
| 10:28.45 | mmnicolas | or create a .desktop file or a symlink |
| 10:29.06 | goto10 | mmnicolas: that creates a symlink which sends nautilus to /home/user/desktop/name_of_the_symlink/. i want it to end up at /my/music/ |
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| 10:31.09 | babilen | goto10: why? |
| 10:31.27 | shomon | what is my local email if I want a web app to send me some notification etc? |
| 10:31.48 | shomon | is it "username@localhost"? |
| 10:31.49 | goto10 | shomon: yes, that works. only downside is that every time i click it, i get asked if i want to execute or view it. |
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| 10:32.00 | goto10 | babilen: so i can jump directly to that folder? |
| 10:32.00 | mmnicolas | shomon: a remote webapp ? |
| 10:32.00 | shomon | well nothing is perfect :) |
| 10:32.09 | shomon | naah, I can't get into drupal |
| 10:32.14 | shomon | so I want it to email me it's reset |
| 10:32.17 | shomon | long story |
| 10:32.20 | babilen | shomon: username@${hostname --long} |
| 10:32.28 | shomon | thanks! |
| 10:32.33 | mmnicolas | that won't work |
| 10:32.34 | neon__ | I have 400,000 files suddenly in one dir. and bash hangs when I ls. Any way to see what goes on? |
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| 10:33.21 | shomon | neon__: I'd switch off anything and everything that might be doing that.. although it may be hardware?? |
| 10:33.26 | babilen | goto10: Then follow mmnicolas advice to create a .desktop file that opens nautilus, create a hardlink or simply accept that a softlink is just as good and doesn't really make a difference |
| 10:33.43 | stilluntrusted | why is "rdiff patch" that slow? |
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| 10:34.07 | neon__ | shomon, I think someone cracked one of my MTA user password and spamming through me |
| 10:34.10 | crekarasu | I have installed ftp, how I can start it please ? |
| 10:34.25 | neon__ | shomon, but I need to first look |
| 10:34.49 | goto10 | babilen: a .desktop file? where would i put that? |
| 10:34.54 | babilen | crekarasu: How did you install "ftp" ? |
| 10:35.06 | crekarasu | babilen apt-get install ftp ... |
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| 10:35.31 | monadicity | hi, does anyone know what I should install to sort this? "libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 10:35.33 | babilen | goto10: On your desktop (i.e. $HOME/Desktop/) -- I would just create a symlink as it doesn't make a difference. If important make a hardlink (no "-s" argument to ln) |
| 10:36.33 | goto10 | babilen: neither symlink or hardlink would send nautilus to the right directory. |
| 10:37.05 | babilen | crekarasu: You can simply run "ftp" on the command line. What do you expect that to do? Do you want to run a FTP server? |
| 10:37.22 | crekarasu | babilen yes |
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| 10:37.57 | babilen | crekarasu: You have to install a ftp daemon in that case. But note that FTP is obsolete and that there are better alternatives for most use cases |
| 10:38.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell crekarasu -about ftpmustdie |
| 10:38.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell crekarasu -about ftpd |
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| 10:38.59 | babilen | goto10: Why is it important that it does? It is IMHO simply a cosmetical issue ... |
| 10:39.33 | monadicity | I have /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, so why is this program saying error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory? |
| 10:39.33 | niklaswe | does someone know how i can extract the contents from dban.iso I need to modify a script in it and rebuild the iso |
| 10:40.34 | crekarasu | babilen |
| 10:40.34 | crekarasu | root@irc:/var/www# /etc/init.d/proftpd check-config |
| 10:40.35 | crekarasu | ProFTPd configuration OK |
| 10:40.35 | crekarasu | root@irc:/var/www# /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 10:40.35 | crekarasu | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
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| 10:40.52 | goto10 | babilen: its a functional issue. i often click "up" from the music folder to get to the my folder and am confused to end up in /home/user/desktop/ instead. |
| 10:41.01 | mmnicolas | niklaswe: yes but it would be more fun to build your own with ..Debian! |
| 10:41.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell crekarasu -about paste |
| 10:42.18 | mmnicolas | niklaswe: but you can use mount -o loop to mount it if you want |
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| 10:42.29 | phalaaxx | monadicity, what does ldd say about the program in question? |
| 10:42.40 | monadicity | it says not a dynamic executable |
| 10:43.28 | niklaswe | mmnicolas: but the files in there is isolinux.bin and dban.bzi, So I guess I must extract them in someway to edit the file /etc/init.d/main.. |
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| 10:44.07 | neon__ | hello? anyone can help me? I have a folder with too many files.. how can I "ls" them efficiently? |
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| 10:44.51 | buscon | hi, i'd like to configure my gnome theme |
| 10:45.05 | phalaaxx | monadicity, maybe try to copy libgGL.so.1 in the same directory where your program is and try running it again? |
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| 10:45.16 | monadicity | ok |
| 10:45.17 | stilluntrusted | regarding rdiff patch slowness: strace says there is a useless lseek - is there some bad interaction between lseek and cache? |
| 10:45.17 | buscon | on gnome2, I cannot find the tool in the preferences |
| 10:45.22 | buscon | what should I install? |
| 10:45.23 | phalaaxx | monadicity, or run the program with strace and see where it expects to find libgGL.so.1 |
| 10:45.40 | phalaaxx | libGL.so.1* |
| 10:45.41 | monadicity | I tride strace but it prints out so much stuff |
| 10:45.47 | babilen | neon__: You might want to filter the output (tail, head, grep, ..) or redirect it to a file which you can investigate afterwards |
| 10:45.49 | stilluntrusted | and it does two reads and writes instead of one |
| 10:46.08 | mmnicolas | neon__: redirect it to a file, when it's done move it to a computer with more ram or create a swapfile |
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| 10:47.00 | mmnicolas | or split it |
| 10:47.09 | phalaaxx | monadicity, try strace with -e trace=open for example, you may also try to grep for libGL.so.1 |
| 10:47.25 | monadicity | nice idea, thanks |
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| 10:47.34 | monadicity | ill have a go! |
| 10:48.03 | neon__ | thanks mmnicolas babilen I >file it |
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| 10:48.50 | babilen | neon__: Best approach really -- Enjoy the hunt! |
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| 10:49.14 | shomon | dpkg: tell shomon about ftpmustdie |
| 10:49.16 | shomon | looks like fun |
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| 10:52.48 | cockroach | hi everyone. i'm trying to install wheezy on a macbook air but the guides that i found seem to contradict eachother on where to install grub, i.e. whether on sda or sdaX. does anyone have any wisdom on that? |
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| 10:53.35 | neon__ | I don't get it. I have there an email file From: "UK LOTTERY ORG." but without a To: field |
| 10:53.35 | babilen | cockroach: You want to install it to the block device itself (i.e. MBR) -- That means /dev/sdX not /dev/sdXY |
| 10:53.59 | cockroach | babilen: ok. won't that mess with that other OS and its EFI magic? |
| 10:54.16 | Th0rsten | Hi i am trying to set a different default browser, but although i set chrome with update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser it still opens everything in chromium |
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| 10:55.03 | babilen | cockroach: Sure, unless you install grub-efi -- Remember that I know /nothing/ about your setup, but I know that you want to install to /dev/sdX -- If that leads to a bootable system or not is another question. Are you using grub-efi? |
| 10:55.16 | babilen | cockroach: Which version of Debian is that and how did you install it? |
| 10:55.49 | cockroach | babilen: atm i'm not using much of anything. i tried with an older version of the wheezy installer but failed to install grub, then i tried the latest nightly and that one doesn't even boot :) |
| 10:56.02 | cockroach | s/nightly/weekly/ |
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| 10:56.27 | cockroach | atm i'm downloading the wheezy b4 image |
| 10:56.54 | cockroach | my setup is basically OS X (the way it installed itself) and EFI stuff on the first two partitions, then a boot and finally the root partition |
| 10:57.18 | babilen | cockroach: You need at least beta4 for EFI support. There are two dailies really: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/efi-development/upload5/ (no idea about the latter) |
| 10:57.21 | cockroach | i'll probably get rid of OS X once debian works properly but for now i'd like to keep it around |
| 10:57.40 | cockroach | babilen: okay thanks, i'll try that |
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| 10:58.15 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:58.25 | claint | quit |
| 10:58.26 | cockroach | babilen: the latest one i tried (I booted via refit) kept segfaulting when I chose to boot the CD in EFI mode and just got stuck in "normal" mode, maybe the B4 installer works better though... |
| 10:58.33 | babilen | cockroach: No idea about the weeklies and I also can't tell you if the dailies work. I've successfuly used the beta4 before (the one /with/ firmware, but that shouldn't make a difference for EFI) |
| 10:59.21 | cockroach | babilen: well knowing that somebody has used it succesfully is nice, thanks :) |
| 10:59.41 | babilen | cockroach: Also give the efi-development installer a try -- This is still work-in-progress and one of the reasons why wheezy hasn't been released yet. It would also be welcomed if you could write a short installation report in which you summarise your hardware platform and working images after you are done. |
| 10:59.49 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to install cinnamon on debian wheezy but when I launch it, it says: cinnamon: error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so.0d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, the library is under /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, if I do an export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu it works.. but why it doesn't find the lib? |
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| 11:00.05 | cockroach | babilen: will do |
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| 11:01.07 | cockroach | babilen: if i see any errors, what do i report them against? d-i? |
| 11:01.15 | babilen | gypsymauro: cinnamon is /not/ packaged in wheezy |
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| 11:01.43 | babilen | cockroach: d-i or installation-report (i guess the latter would be fine, you could also discuss them in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net if you want) |
| 11:02.06 | cockroach | ok, thanks a lot! |
| 11:02.32 | babilen | gypsymauro: And it looks as if cinnamon is having problems with multiarch -- no idea really, I don't use it. Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 11:14.48 | Gusteru | babilen |
| 11:16.15 | Gusteru | root@irc:/etc/init.d# ./xinetd start |
| 11:16.16 | Gusteru | Starting internet superserver: xinetd failed! |
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| 11:17.24 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 11:17.39 | d3xter | is there any way to switch between internal/hdmi sound output? |
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| 11:28.13 | gypsymauro | babilen: I know that isn't packaged, is a thirdy part deb, where can I learn something about multiarch? |
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| 11:28.47 | Gusteru | Starting internet superserver: xinetd failed! |
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| 11:28.58 | babilen | gypsymauro: cinnamon /is/ packaged in sid and you should grab it from there. third-party repositories are of dubious quality (as you can see) and I would strongly recommend to never use them |
| 11:29.04 | babilen | ,v cinnamon |
| 11:29.05 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.6.7-1 |
| 11:29.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell gypsymauro -about default release |
| 11:29.37 | gypsymauro | great :) babilen I looked there some months ago and wasn't packaged |
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| 11:30.38 | gypsymauro | tank you babilen |
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| 11:46.17 | cesurasean | i updated to wheezy from squeeze, and now it's asking for a sudo password?! |
| 11:46.21 | cesurasean | i had never set one. |
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| 11:46.53 | ksk | !tell cesurasean about sudo |
| 11:47.06 | ksk | sudo always asks for the password of the user who calls it |
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| 11:47.12 | ksk | like "your password" |
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| 11:50.24 | phalaaxx | not always, depends on configuration in sudoers |
| 11:51.06 | LZNPDE | help! |
| 11:51.25 | LZNPDE | I have an IP address which is getting assigned but I can't ping it externally... any tips? |
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| 11:51.51 | cockroach | LZNPDE: can you ping out? |
| 11:52.06 | LZNPDE | yeah I can, but the ip is on eth0:2 |
| 11:52.09 | cesurasean | ksk, so what password do i use? |
| 11:52.21 | LZNPDE | the other two addresses are working fine |
| 11:52.36 | cockroach | LZNPDE: is it in the same network as the other addresses? |
| 11:52.52 | LZNPDE | cockroach: yes it is, and I can ping it from another box in the same range |
| 11:53.03 | cesurasean | guys, how do i use sudo if i never set a password? |
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| 11:53.14 | cesurasean | it's asking for a password now that i upgraded to wheezy. |
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| 11:53.23 | phalaaxx | cesurasean, use your user password |
| 11:53.44 | cesurasean | i dont have one |
| 11:53.48 | cesurasean | i use a putty key |
| 11:53.54 | phalaaxx | cesurasean, your user needs to be in sudo group |
| 11:54.05 | cesurasean | how do i add it there? |
| 11:54.08 | cesurasean | im logged in as admin |
| 11:54.12 | cesurasean | not root |
| 11:54.30 | cesurasean | did i get locked out of my system from upgrading? |
| 11:54.43 | cockroach | LZNPDE: private or public ip? |
| 11:55.21 | cesurasean | anyone? |
| 11:55.26 | koollman | cesurasean: maybe a little. it's an interesting problem. do you have physical access to the machine ? (or at least to the bootloader screen) |
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| 11:56.06 | cesurasean | no, it's on amazon. |
| 11:56.12 | abrotman | cesurasean: man sudoers |
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| 11:56.20 | cesurasean | how can i control anything? |
| 11:56.24 | cesurasean | i can't run that |
| 11:56.31 | LZNPDE | cockroach: public |
| 11:56.58 | cesurasean | any command i try to run, it asks for my sudo password, which i never created. i have a ppk key, but that's it. |
| 11:57.03 | cesurasean | can i specify my putty key when it asks for sudo pasword? |
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| 11:57.33 | LZNPDE | its something with this Debian box, because I have assigned the IP address to another box with out problem |
| 11:57.35 | LZNPDE | works fine |
| 11:57.57 | LZNPDE | cockroach: could it be something with the gateway/ip routing somewhere? |
| 11:58.08 | LZNPDE | i've disabled all firewalls and all that stuff |
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| 11:58.49 | LZNPDE | blergh i'm lost |
| 11:58.56 | cockroach | LZNPDE: hmm, if you've recently used the address on a different machine it could be an ARP caching issue |
| 11:59.26 | cesurasean | so, why does apt-get let you dist-upgrade if you aren't root? |
| 11:59.42 | tralala | it doesn't |
| 11:59.42 | cesurasean | it shouldn't if it's going to lock people out. especially with amazon ami. |
| 11:59.42 | cesurasean | lol |
| 11:59.44 | cesurasean | good thing i have a backup. |
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| 11:59.55 | cesurasean | ok, so how to do i get past the password prompt? |
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| 12:00.08 | cockroach | LZNPDE: what if you try pinging something and explicitly use the new address, eg. ping foo -I eth0:2 - i have no idea whether that works but if it does it should clear the ARP cache |
| 12:00.42 | tralala | cesurasean, don't you have the root password? |
| 12:01.07 | cesurasean | no |
| 12:01.27 | cesurasean | im using amazon ami of debian squeeze. |
| 12:01.32 | cesurasean | this is clearly an issue. |
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| 12:01.53 | cesurasean | <snaps fingers for someone else to get to flagging this bug> |
| 12:02.45 | tralala | I'm unfamiliar with the service, but you seem to imply that they don't give you root access. |
| 12:03.18 | cesurasean | heh |
| 12:03.23 | cesurasean | nevermind, i did know the password. |
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| 12:04.09 | LZNPDE | cockrach: i get a reply from google with ping google.com -I eth0:2 |
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| 12:05.29 | LZNPDE | cockroach: i get a reply from ping google.com-I eth0:12312312 as well though |
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| 12:06.12 | stilluntrusted | that rdiff patch slowness is really strange - sometimes there are read syscalls taking 14s! for ~12k |
| 12:06.29 | cockroach | but still not pingable? in that case I think the problem might be that your ping reply uses a different interface (i.e. originates from a different IP address), you could try and verify that using wireshark (or tshark / tcpdump if you don't have a GUI) |
| 12:07.42 | cockroach | babilen: well the wheezy DI b4 image doesn't work, the graphical EFI installer freezes after a few seconds (and my "mouse" doesn't work at all), the text-mode EFI installer keeps whining about 'WARNING **: Internal error! Cannot find "debian-installer/main-menu doesn't exist" in menu. |
| 12:08.05 | monadicity | does anyone have a link to instructions for setting up ethernet between two computers? |
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| 12:09.02 | cockroach | monadicity: what seems to be the problem? |
| 12:09.45 | monadicity | cockroach, I just can't remember how to do it. there wassome commands I did with ifconfig when I used to use ubuntu |
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| 12:10.49 | monadicity | the computer has to assign itself an ip I think |
| 12:11.06 | cockroach | monadicity: ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 should do the trick |
| 12:11.12 | cockroach | (10.0.0.2 on the second machine) |
| 12:11.57 | monadicity | thanks!! |
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| 12:12.15 | monadicity | I thought this wold take me a good hour to get working :D |
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| 12:13.15 | cockroach | monadicity: you're welcome :) |
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| 12:17.58 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 12:18.04 | arashmousavi | http://serverfault.com/questions/465736/recover-ext3-files-when-hard-have-bad-sector |
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| 12:18.40 | Aktau | If I wanted to start up an application on startup and wanted to monitor if it was running and if it wash't to shutdown after 10 seconds, what way would I have to do that? |
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| 12:19.05 | norman__ | how can i get updates |
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| 12:19.33 | norman__ | how can i get updates i have deb squeeze |
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| 12:23.10 | Lasse- | norman__: http://bit.ly/XQQscb |
| 12:23.20 | norman__ | http://paste.debian.net/223402/ |
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| 12:25.42 | cockroach | Aktau: you could have a script running from /etc/rc.local that sleeps for 10 seconds and then checks whether your application is running or not |
| 12:26.05 | Aktau | cockroach: that was my first place to look as well |
| 12:26.17 | Aktau | In fact such a thing is happening on a system I just got |
| 12:26.21 | Aktau | And I need to find out what and how |
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| 12:26.32 | Aktau | But I seem to be in the dark |
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| 12:27.05 | cockroach | Aktau: ah. then it could also be somewhere completely different, like the application's init script. or the application itself |
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| 12:27.25 | Aktau | The application is just a web-app really, php |
| 12:27.37 | cockroach | Aktau: ah, haha, no, not the application itself obviously :) - it wouldn't be running |
| 12:27.40 | Aktau | What happens is that the pc starts up and chrome starts with the web-app loaded |
| 12:27.55 | Aktau | cockroach: yea :) |
| 12:28.09 | Aktau | If you close down the web-app, the pc reboots in 10 sec |
| 12:28.17 | Aktau | I can shut down the reboot with killall shutdown |
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| 12:28.28 | Aktau | But I actually want to disable this behaviour |
| 12:28.55 | Aktau | And I feel that after so many hours of looking through files I thought I might just as well ask the experts |
| 12:29.10 | Aktau | So somehow something is monitoring chrome |
| 12:29.20 | Aktau | Because if I start up chrome again, it cancels the shutdown |
| 12:29.34 | cockroach | oh that sounds annoying. also there are just so many ways that this could have been done. might be a cron script (10 seconds sound a little too fast for that though), could just be something watching ps |
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| 12:29.38 | cockroach | oh |
| 12:29.52 | cockroach | if you try "ps axf" do you see anything suspicious? |
| 12:30.00 | Aktau | I'll check |
| 12:30.35 | Aktau | ah, now I suddenly also found out where htop gets its clues from :) |
| 12:30.54 | cockroach | :) |
| 12:30.59 | Aktau | chrome seems to be called without args, no surprise there |
| 12:31.20 | Aktau | puppet is running |
| 12:31.27 | Aktau | Could puppet do something like that? |
| 12:31.51 | cockroach | hmm, possibly, but i'm not familiar enough with puppet to really know... |
| 12:32.25 | Aktau | Me neither, and I've found out that the real puppet conf is on an external server outside of my control |
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| 12:32.43 | Aktau | I'm not sure it could preload that kind of stuff from an external server though |
| 12:32.51 | Aktau | I'll go confirm in their channel |
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| 12:34.11 | gary_golden | How can I start default X on vt5 on startup? |
| 12:34.12 | Towzzer | turn off the puppet service to see |
| 12:35.08 | Aktau | Towzzer: sounds like a plan, now to find how debian does the start/stop of services |
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| 12:36.38 | Towzzer | service <service_name> stop |
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| 12:43.11 | Aktau | Thanks Towzzer and cockroach, back to experimenting, be back later |
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| 12:50.57 | nyuszika7h | hi, with multiarch and python2.7/3.3 I'm getting issues like Python.h not found. what's the best way to fix this? |
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| 12:52.40 | babilen | nyuszika7h: Do you have the pythonX.Y-dev package installed? Where do you get those issues? |
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| 12:53.10 | nyuszika7h | babilen: with weechat, pyyaml etc. |
| 12:53.46 | nyuszika7h | babilen: the problem is that Python.h is not in the include directory specified in sysconfig |
| 12:53.52 | nyuszika7h | only pyconfig.h is in that directory |
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| 12:55.31 | babilen | nyuszika7h: So you have the -dev package installed, but you believe that there is a bug with it? |
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| 12:56.26 | nyuszika7h | meh, I'm not sure, might be my system that's messed up, I really need that new server I'm going to get somewhen to do a clean install and copy user data and configs |
| 12:56.36 | nyuszika7h | the dev packages are installed yes |
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| 13:17.42 | nabblet | hi, can scp resume interrupted copies? |
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| 13:23.43 | babilen | haylo: no, the channel is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:24.24 | haylo | tnks babilen |
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| 13:33.15 | rdark | gpg question: I'm trying to sanely migrate to gnupg2 from gnupg, but debian packages don't seem to provide any selections for updating the /usr/bin/gpg symlink |
| 13:33.18 | rdark | any ideas? |
| 13:33.39 | rdark | (this is on testing btw) |
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| 13:40.08 | rdark | hmm.. just seems to be an old bug #561540 from 2009, currently down as wontfix :( |
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| 13:43.51 | xDesu | Can anyone help me with something? I have a laptop with a smashed screen and would like to install debian on it and use an external monitor. Any tips? Suggestions? Anything? |
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| 13:45.23 | shomon | try doing it via a livecd first? to save you the install time if it doesn't work... no idea how to get it configured for an external monitor, except via stuff like arandr or complex settings files |
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| 13:45.45 | shomon | I guess you could install it on a copy of that system, configure it for external monitor, and copy the settings files over to yours... |
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| 13:46.13 | shomon | but blind installs might be hard.. I wonder how sysadmins do installs over ssh or similar remotely |
| 13:47.30 | xDesu | Well if I could get ssh setup it wouldn't be hard. But when I pop in the debian disc there's nothing. |
| 13:47.44 | xDesu | I'll continue to search then. |
| 13:47.47 | xDesu | Thanks. |
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| 13:48.33 | Th0rsten | anyone knows how to actually set the default browser? update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser did not help |
| 13:48.52 | rdark | xDesu: liveCD is probably the easiest way as that may boot up to an external monitor. Failing that, preseed scripted install is how I would do it |
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| 13:49.17 | xDesu | LiveCD doesn't work, already tried that :/ |
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| 13:49.25 | xDesu | I'll look into preseed. |
| 13:51.04 | xDesu | Oh and thanks. |
| 13:51.16 | cockroach | does anyone know the proper grub command line to boot a macbook air into a text console? if i leave it empty the screen goes black, if i append "nomodeset" i get garbage towards the end of the boot process. |
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| 13:52.52 | nabblet | dcherniv: ok thanks. what would you recommend? i was thinking then maybe about ssh-mounting it and the copying with rsync. |
| 13:53.37 | nabblet | *then |
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| 13:54.33 | yeehi | which is the version linux kernel is the default for the current stable debian? |
| 13:54.37 | Cell | Have the comparatively good books introduce me |
| 13:56.15 | Towzzer | 2.6.32 |
| 13:56.45 | yeehi | Thank you, Towzzer - that is quite an old kernel! :) |
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| 13:57.16 | Trewas | nabblet: rsync works over ssh by itself, and lftp can also resume ssh transfers |
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| 13:58.27 | nabblet | Trewas: i don't understand " rsync works over ssh by itself " |
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| 13:59.11 | Trewas | nabblet: rsync -e ssh, you don't have to separately mount something |
| 13:59.12 | mah454 | How can do this ? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/vpn-connection-peer-user-4175444976/ |
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| 13:59.27 | nabblet | Trewas: oh, didn't know! |
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| 14:00.28 | cockroach | is there something that i could append in grub to make console-setup (or whoever it is that changes my display resolution during bootup) *NOT* do anything? |
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| 14:01.54 | nabblet | Trewas: is there any feature that might make me to use lftop over rsync -e ssh? |
| 14:02.00 | nabblet | Trewas: agh,sorry |
| 14:02.04 | nabblet | didn't read :P |
| 14:02.09 | nabblet | resume |
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| 14:05.09 | nabblet | Trewas: on the other hand rsync can resume download too |
| 14:05.32 | nabblet | Trewas: i'll find what suits me best. thank you for your help |
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| 14:06.23 | Trewas | nabblet: yeah, rsync is probably better choice in general but lftp is sometimes useful (for example queued tranfers) |
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| 14:08.03 | sirToast | cockroach: /etc/modprobe.d/ contains some files where you can turn off modesetting |
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| 14:08.11 | superlinux | hi, how can I change the update time of scanning for wireless networks, and make its period shorter?? |
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| 14:08.36 | cockroach | sirToast: indeed, but i can't see anything after bootup so i can't edit any files in there :) |
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| 14:08.58 | cVsup | somebody can say where i found documentation of link load balance? |
| 14:09.14 | sirToast | cockroach: try single user mode or a live cd then. maybe system rescue cd |
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| 14:09.50 | sirToast | cockroach: thing is that modesetting overrides the vga= parameter |
| 14:09.56 | cockroach | sirToast: single user mode has the same problem, booting with init=/bin/sh works but then my keyboard doesn't react. i'm currently abusing the installer as a live cd indeed |
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| 14:10.59 | nabblet | Trewas: i just need to transfer one big file (1.6 GB) to some1 with super crappy internet connection |
| 14:11.03 | cockroach | sirToast: ah yes, i can access my drive from the installer now. thanks for the hint :) |
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| 14:12.39 | sirToast | cockroach: there's i915-kms.conf and radeon-kms.conf |
| 14:12.57 | cockroach | sirToast: /etc/modprobe.d only contains fbdev-blacklist.conf |
| 14:13.36 | sirToast | cockroach: what video card do you have? hopefully radeon or intel |
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| 14:13.41 | superlinux | hi, how can I change the update time of scanning for wireless networks, and make its period shorter?? |
| 14:13.44 | cockroach | sirToast: yep, intel |
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| 14:14.20 | cockroach | sirToast: it's a mac though so i fully expect everything to be working slightly worse than it should... |
| 14:14.56 | sirToast | cockroach: maybe that's why those files aren't there |
| 14:15.15 | cockroach | sirToast: i think it's because those files come from the xorg drivers and i don't have xorg on the machine yet |
| 14:15.35 | cockroach | sirToast: would you happen to have an idea which init script messes with the screen settings? is it console-setup? |
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| 14:16.08 | nabblet | superlinux: don't know that but in case you use a network manager you might look at its docs |
| 14:16.09 | sirToast | cockroach: nope. haven't a clue. been trying to find out myself how to turn off modesetting for any driver |
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| 14:16.25 | cockroach | sirToast: heh okay, i'll just "exit 0" console-setup then and see what happens :) |
| 14:16.29 | superlinux | nabblet, i have just read it's hard coded |
| 14:16.33 | blackshirt | i have some problem when trying to setup xserver for using intel vga driver |
| 14:16.40 | blackshirt | anybody can help me |
| 14:16.58 | sirToast | cockroach: console-setup sets up your keyboard |
| 14:17.19 | cockroach | sirToast: *only* the keybaord? |
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| 14:17.29 | superlinux | nabblet, like i thought.. cron is the only solution |
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| 14:17.40 | sirToast | cockroach: I mean the console encoding |
| 14:17.46 | sirToast | cockroach: and fonts |
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| 14:18.06 | cockroach | ah that, don't really care about those. but indeed the video output is still garbled |
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| 14:19.20 | nabblet | superlinux: or download the sources and recompile? |
| 14:19.35 | sirToast | cockroach: by the looks of things it sets up the keymap, console encoding and font |
| 14:19.36 | blackshirt | hello, i have a problem with my vga card |
| 14:19.57 | nabblet | superlinux: but i think cron is the faster, more dynamic solution |
| 14:19.58 | sirToast | cockroach: you might break your system if you mess it up |
| 14:20.00 | superlinux | nabblet, not worth the time.. iwlist scan is enough |
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| 14:20.23 | cockroach | sirToast: it's already broken :) |
| 14:20.23 | superlinux | of course with cron |
| 14:20.46 | sirToast | cockroach: que sera sera then |
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| 14:21.29 | cockroach | sirToast: well it didn't help, time to start changing random other things i suppose |
| 14:21.36 | sirToast | cockroach: you could try to install xorg. see if that gives you a decent video driver |
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| 14:22.06 | sirToast | cockroach: mac may not support the vga mode |
| 14:22.15 | cockroach | sirToast: i could, except that i can't boot the thing. and i only have one usb port and no ethernet so when i boot the installer i can't add my usb ethernet thing |
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| 14:22.51 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. if I mark a package as not manually installed, will it show up in the autoremove list if it's no longer required? also, how do I mark it as not manually installed? |
| 14:23.44 | ksk | theres an apt-tool to do so, forgot its name, use google. and yes, that should happen |
| 14:23.48 | sirToast | cockroach: I'd try text based install |
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| 14:24.15 | cockroach | sirToast: i did, the installer ran through smoothly. it's *after* the installation that it can't boot right |
| 14:24.31 | cockroach | sirToast: i think i need a quick break to think things through, brb |
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| 14:25.36 | sirToast | cockroach: k. maybe it would work better if you download an install image with xorg and all that. then install with xorg |
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| 14:27.49 | cockroach | sirToast: hmm that might be an option |
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| 14:28.51 | cockroach | sirToast: the annoying thing is that it works just fine at the beginning, until something screws up my display. i wish there were a "DO NOT MESS WITH MY SCREEN" option somewhere |
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| 14:29.28 | sirToast | cockroach: lol yeah. me too. I get insane resolutions on my screens. although they still work |
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| 14:29.38 | cockroach | sirToast: heh, lucky you |
| 14:30.25 | cockroach | sirToast: *sigh*, i just tried the rescue option from the b4 installer cd, all i get are a bunch of segfaults. |
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| 14:31.14 | sirToast | cockroach: I'd try the bigger install image. and install more than a bare minimum system. |
| 14:31.20 | cockroach | could just be my cd drive being an ass though, it does that |
| 14:32.13 | Aktau | Guys its me again, I"m running 6.06 and even though my resolution is the screens native resolution, the text is pretty blurry to the point of being difficult to read |
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| 14:32.38 | cockroach | sirToast: i might just have to do that. usually i try to install as little as possible, make sure it works and then work my way up from there. but maybe that's the wrong aproach this time |
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| 14:32.48 | Aktau | Xorg.0.log tells me it's loading Intel Integrated Graphics Chispets: i810 |
| 14:33.05 | Aktau | Actually, not many things on the screen are clear |
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| 14:33.41 | cockroach | Aktau: have you tried anti-aliasing, hinting and sub-pixel rendering stuff? |
| 14:34.06 | Aktau | I'm running xfce and I'm going through the control panels but it seems really scarce on info |
| 14:34.14 | Aktau | I mean options |
| 14:34.26 | cockroach | Aktau: the Appearance thing in the xfce settings has those options |
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| 14:34.36 | cockroach | Aktau: in the "Fonts" tab |
| 14:35.16 | Aktau | antialiasing was on apparently |
| 14:35.19 | Aktau | Turning it off makes it much worse |
| 14:35.34 | cockroach | Aktau: turn it back on, set hinting to full |
| 14:35.53 | Aktau | hinting to full helps out text in chrome a bit, still not clear |
| 14:35.56 | cockroach | Aktau: and possibly mess with the sub-pixel order |
| 14:36.00 | Aktau | Doesn't help the terminal though |
| 14:36.13 | cockroach | Aktau: hmm, and you're sure you're running at the correct resolution? |
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| 14:36.48 | Aktau | Yes, absolutely. At least if it is running at the resolution that it says in display |
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| 14:37.13 | Aktau | That's why I'm so surprised |
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| 14:37.22 | Aktau | Usually these are resolution problems. in my experience |
| 14:37.32 | cockroach | Aktau: you can check the output from xrandr to see what resolution you are currently using and whether your display supports anything higher |
| 14:37.46 | hke | hi folks, when i download a list of files with wget -i <file> but i dont get any output for each file, how can i change that? |
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| 14:37.53 | Aktau | Highest resolution is used and supported, says xrandr |
| 14:37.59 | Aktau | Same as on windows for the same monitor |
| 14:38.04 | mr_claus1 | hi, i have a network interface which should use dhcp without running resolvconf after getting the IP and DNS informations, how i could configure it? |
| 14:38.10 | cockroach | Aktau: what about the refresh rate? |
| 14:38.31 | Aktau | Good question cockroach, maybe I can coerce that info out of xrandr |
| 14:39.02 | babilen | Aktau: Just run "xrandr" or "xrandr -q" |
| 14:39.02 | cockroach | Aktau: you should see those numbers after the resolution, the one with a * is currently active |
| 14:39.24 | Aktau | Ah, it says 0.0 |
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| 14:39.38 | Aktau | That's why i didn't recognize it as a refresh rate |
| 14:39.44 | cockroach | huh, that seems weird |
| 14:39.52 | Aktau | Yea, it is |
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| 14:39.57 | mr_claus1 | the dhcp server gives me DNS servers to but i just want to use them to resolv special subdomains, i have to use some scripts to place a configuration file to use with dnsmasq, but every time if i fetch the new IP resolvconf is running because the hooks |
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| 14:40.07 | cockroach | Aktau: does it show any other options? |
| 14:40.16 | cockroach | i.e. any other possible values? |
| 14:40.25 | Aktau | Just the resolution and the obviously wrong refresh rate |
| 14:40.34 | Aktau | Do LCD's have refresh rates like that though? |
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| 14:40.41 | cockroach | mine shows 60.0 |
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| 14:41.19 | Aktau | Seems more normal indeed |
| 14:41.31 | Aktau | Maybe it's the intel driver? |
| 14:41.35 | cockroach | does the screen have any other connectors (such as DVI) that you could try? |
| 14:41.52 | cockroach | could be, normally the intel driver works quite well thouhg |
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| 14:43.29 | Aktau | cockroach: the monitor only has one, but the pc has something DVI like, I could try with a connector piece, will do |
| 14:44.48 | Aktau | cockroach: scratch that, the dvi connector on the pc does"t seem to work, it"s missing some holes |
| 14:44.55 | Aktau | Can"t insert the connector |
| 14:44.57 | hke | where can i ask detail questions about wget? |
| 14:45.01 | cockroach | Aktau: if you have another monitor somewhere nearby that could also help. AFAIK monitors report their capabilities and your PC will try to use that information. of course if the screen reports wrong values then you have a problem |
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| 14:45.14 | cockroach | Aktau: :( |
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| 14:45.25 | vampi-the-frog | I'm getting a blank screen on the console. uvesafb seems to load even though it's in /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf - on wheezy. any ideas? |
| 14:45.45 | Aktau | cockroach: you're right, I should verify with another monitor, maybe we have one around the house. I'll go look |
| 14:45.56 | cockroach | Aktau: good luck |
| 14:46.03 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: did you update your initramfs? |
| 14:46.23 | vampi-the-frog | cockroach: i did update-grub, is that enough? |
| 14:46.38 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: possibly not. try running update-initramfs -u |
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| 14:46.49 | vampi-the-frog | I need to mention I do see some text when booting, but at some point it goes blank |
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| 14:47.09 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: i have the exact same problem atm, i'll try blacklisting uvesafb :) |
| 14:47.17 | vampi-the-frog | heh |
| 14:47.22 | vampi-the-frog | I just did a dist-upgrade |
| 14:47.27 | vampi-the-frog | that's when it started |
| 14:47.27 | idimmu | did it work ok? |
| 14:47.51 | vampi-the-frog | nope |
| 14:47.54 | idimmu | heh |
| 14:47.57 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: sucks. |
| 14:47.59 | vampi-the-frog | let me try to reboot now |
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| 14:48.58 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: good luck |
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| 14:49.21 | vampi-the-frog | dang it |
| 14:49.40 | vampi-the-frog | I don't think /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf actually is taken into account |
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| 14:49.47 | vampi-the-frog | same thing happens, I updated initramfs too |
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| 14:50.32 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: does it help if you append "nomodeset"? |
| 14:50.41 | vampi-the-frog | and whaddya know, uvesafb is in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 14:53.38 | vampi-the-frog | wel removing uvesafb from /etc/initramfs-tools/modules made way for the intel i915 module to set proper resolution |
| 14:53.45 | vampi-the-frog | so now I have native 1680x1050 ^_^ |
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| 14:53.53 | cockroach | nice! |
| 14:54.17 | cockroach | maybe i should try that too :) |
| 14:54.21 | vampi-the-frog | yes |
| 14:54.24 | vampi-the-frog | what video card do you have? |
| 14:54.38 | vampi-the-frog | it should basically be detected I think, if the uvesafb is removed |
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| 14:55.02 | BadCodSmell | Does debian provide a walk through debugger for bash? |
| 14:55.21 | BadCodSmell | Since it does not make its scripts verbose |
| 14:55.36 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: intel hd 3000 or something, dmesg calls it "GM965/GL960" |
| 14:56.07 | vampi-the-frog | BadCodSmell: there's a bash flag to make it output commands as they are being executed |
| 14:56.37 | BadCodSmell | apt-setup just silently fails, no reason given as to why |
| 14:56.44 | vampi-the-frog | bash -x |
| 14:56.47 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: my /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is empty |
| 14:57.03 | vampi-the-frog | cockroach: can you ssh to your machine and see if uvesavb is loaded? |
| 14:57.35 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: no but goot point, i'll see whether sshd is on the cd |
| 14:58.09 | cockroach | good* |
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| 15:08.38 | queso | What happened to the e17 package in wheezy? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/e17 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8d3BiTQOAQwJ:packages.debian.org/wheezy/e17 |
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| 15:09.30 | Alfarin | I have a KVM virtual machine running Squeeze. If I leave ACPI enabled in KVM command (not including the -no-acpi parameter for kvm) on the host, the guest (Squeeze) just blinks after loading initramfs. I have acpi-support package and libacpi0, as well as just about every single acpi packages installed, but it doesn't change anything. How can I fix this? |
| 15:09.30 | cockroach | !tell queso about e17 |
| 15:09.35 | creichen | Hi! Does anyone know if there's still a working nspluginwrapper for sid out there? (I need (!) the acrobat reader plugin running on my 64 bit system.) |
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| 15:11.51 | queso | cockroach: :( |
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| 15:13.15 | cockroach | queso: indeed |
| 15:14.04 | queso | cockroach: isn't every version of e17 a development snapshot? lol |
| 15:14.11 | sirToast | !tell sirToast about e17 |
| 15:14.12 | cockroach | :) |
| 15:14.38 | queso | cockroach: oh.. they actually released e17. |
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| 15:15.10 | cockroach | i think they did, yep |
| 15:15.35 | queso | cockroach: hopefully with updated debian packages! |
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| 15:16.35 | cockroach | queso: heh, you can always hope... |
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| 15:19.56 | frenbu | !tell frenbu about e17 |
| 15:20.06 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: meh, can't seem to get the damn network to run, no idea why - it's nontrivial to debug if you don't see anything :) |
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| 15:20.52 | vampi-the-frog | dohh |
| 15:21.03 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: hah, never mind, it was just DHCP that wasn't working - some blind ifconfig command later i'm in :) |
| 15:21.08 | queso | Could I have some help with resolving this? http://dpaste.com/871068/ I'm trying to upgrading Iceweasel via mozilla.debian.net. Or if there's another channel, please let me know. |
| 15:21.16 | vampi-the-frog | oh well |
| 15:21.31 | cockroach | no vesafb stuff loaded though |
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| 15:27.30 | vampi-the-frog | cockroach: try looking for 'video' or i915 or similar modules loaded, and also be sure to set the console mode on grub with GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub |
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| 15:28.34 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: ok, will do |
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| 15:29.47 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: *sigh*, it seems now the machine dies a few seconds after bootup. maybe i should just trash the damn thing. |
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| 15:30.03 | vampi-the-frog | no, send it to me |
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| 15:30.09 | vampi-the-frog | what country are you in? |
| 15:30.19 | cockroach | switzerland |
| 15:30.25 | vampi-the-frog | is it big? |
| 15:30.58 | abrotman | dies how ? |
| 15:31.07 | cockroach | no, just a laptop. but i think i'll keep trying for a bit. once i run out of energy i'll gladly give it away though |
| 15:31.40 | cockroach | abrotman: doesn't react to ping anymore. plus since the display goes black during bootup and caps lock doesn't do anything i can't get any life signs from it |
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| 15:32.04 | abrotman | !tell cockroach about kms |
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| 15:32.51 | cockroach | abrotman: i tried with nomodeset. that does prevent my screen from going black but instead it gets all garbled towards the end of the boot process |
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| 15:33.26 | creichen | Nevermind, uninstalling iceweasel and replacing it by iceweasel:i386 "fixed" the acroread plugin. Half of Gnome is gone now for weird dependency reasons, but that's a fair price to pay in my case. |
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| 15:34.47 | abrotman | cockroach: dell laptop? |
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| 15:35.17 | cockroach | abrotman: mac |
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| 15:35.58 | abrotman | x86_64? |
| 15:36.04 | cockroach | indeed |
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| 15:36.41 | abrotman | feel like that should work .. squeeze or wheezy? |
| 15:36.56 | cockroach | wheezy, installed from the B4 installer |
| 15:37.10 | cockroach | scratch that, installed from the inofficial firmware iso |
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| 15:38.03 | abrotman | close enough |
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| 15:38.11 | abrotman | so no ping, no X ? |
| 15:38.35 | stackofcats | Is there anything I can do to get nfs4 server to log mount requests without running kerberos? |
| 15:39.11 | abrotman | cockroach: did you isntall X from the installer, or wanted to do it later? |
| 15:39.12 | cockroach | well. no X since there's no X installed. the console is all messed up with nomodeset and completely blank without it. the network keeps dying but i think that might actually be my USB ethernet dongle. or not, hard to tell :) |
| 15:39.19 | cockroach | abrotman: wanted to do it later |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | cockroach: what's your preferred DE ? |
| 15:39.36 | cockroach | xfce |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | so why not do that from the installer? |
| 15:40.10 | cockroach | the thing has a tiny hard drive and i wanted to be sure that no unneccessary things got installed |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | tiny? |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | 100GB? |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | 4GB? |
| 15:40.30 | cockroach | 60 GB SSD, only 8 GB assigned to debian atm |
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| 15:40.40 | abrotman | that's enough to at least try it |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | you can remove packages later IMO |
| 15:40.46 | cockroach | true, true. |
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| 15:41.07 | abrotman | at least you could maybe get a GUI to try to figure this out |
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| 15:41.32 | abrotman | send it to me .. wtf .. |
| 15:41.41 | cockroach | :) |
| 15:41.45 | abrotman | vampi-the-frog: this isn't a hardware donation channel |
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| 15:42.29 | cockroach | well tbh i'm pretty close to just throwing the damn thing off my balcony and getting another thinkpad instead :) |
| 15:42.56 | cockroach | but i'll try installing the DE first, i suppose :) |
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| 15:43.59 | Shu | Can you run Debian using the kernel from testing, without having to actually /use/ testing. (Install and run everything except the linux kernel from stable). Does anyone do this? Or has anyone? |
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| 15:47.08 | vampi-the-frog | Shu: why don't you just get it off kernel.org and compile it yourself? |
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| 15:47.30 | jelly | Shu: the kernel from squeeze-backports is pretty much the same version and build as the one from testing |
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| 15:48.22 | jelly | Shu: and yes, you should be able to use a kernel package from a newer release, with possible minor problems wrt versioned dependencies for some helper packages |
| 15:48.29 | cockroach | abrotman: is there a way to find out which exact set of cds i need for a specific list of packages or will i have to download & burn them all? |
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| 15:49.33 | vampi-the-frog | how can I increase the number of virtual consoles? |
| 15:49.43 | cockroach | also, i think the laptop is actually trying to say something (on the system console), any way i can get that output through SSH? |
| 15:49.50 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:49.53 | vampi-the-frog | cockroach: dmesg |
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| 15:50.12 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: there's nothing in there. nothing new, that is |
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| 15:51.15 | vampi-the-frog | cockroach: /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:51.56 | cockroach | vampi-the-frog: nothing interesting either. |
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| 15:52.09 | cockroach | maybe i'm just hallucinating :) |
| 15:52.32 | vampi-the-frog | just search in /var/log, maybe there are other log files |
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| 15:53.44 | no_gravity | Hello! I mount a direcotry via "sshfs user@host:/ /mount_point". And it takes really long until it asks for the password. Is there a way to find out why? |
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| 15:53.48 | cockroach | true. but since my network connectivity is mostly luck-based i was hoping that i didn't have to search through everything. |
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| 15:54.03 | cockroach | no_gravity: have you tried ssh -v? |
| 15:54.46 | no_gravity | cockroach: no, let me try... |
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| 15:55.04 | no_gravity | cockroach: fuse: unknown option `-v' |
| 15:55.25 | wols | cockroach: you can check your kern.log |
| 15:55.27 | cockroach | no_gravity: just "ssh -v destinationhost", to see whether normal ssh login also takes that long |
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| 15:56.06 | no_gravity | cockroach: yes, also takes long... |
| 15:56.19 | cockroach | wols: ah okay. well all i see are lots of "link up" and the occasional "link down" message. so i guess there's not much more to debug there |
| 15:56.29 | vampi-the-frog | no_gravity: there is a setting to disable dns lookup UseDNS no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:56.40 | vampi-the-frog | no_gravity: on the ssh server |
| 15:56.46 | cockroach | no_gravity: then ssh -v should tell you what's happening. also yes, DNS would be my best guess too |
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| 15:57.02 | cockroach | you might also be able to just add the client host to your /etc/hosts |
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| 15:57.35 | no_gravity | cockroach, vampi-the-frog: it spits out these 2 lines and then hangs: |
| 15:57.36 | no_gravity | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 15:57.37 | no_gravity | debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * |
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| 15:57.59 | vampi-the-frog | those aren't errors |
| 15:58.10 | vampi-the-frog | and use /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 15:58.30 | cockroach | no_gravity: okay so it's really waiting for the connection to open (i think) - do you have root access on the other machine? |
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| 15:58.52 | vampi-the-frog | brb |
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| 15:59.04 | no_gravity | cockroack, vampi-the-frog: when i use the ip instead of the hostname it is fast. |
| 15:59.11 | no_gravity | so probably a dns issue? |
| 15:59.17 | cockroach | no_gravity: indeed |
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| 16:00.05 | no_gravity | cockroach: strange. ping seems to resolve the ip immediately. |
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| 16:00.25 | cockroach | no_gravity: it might be a reverse-dns issue on the other host |
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| 16:00.38 | cockroach | no_gravity: have you tried adding the client to /etc/hosts on the server? |
| 16:01.10 | max999 | how wold a reverse dns problem on the other host be influecend of him using the ip instead of the hostname? |
| 16:01.32 | cockroach | max999: no idea, maybe ssh doesn't do reverse-lookups when you connect by ip? i'm just guessing here |
| 16:01.33 | no_gravity | cockroach: if its the other side, why is it fast when i use the ip? |
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| 16:01.51 | no_gravity | oh, i see max999 already asked that. |
| 16:02.09 | cockroach | yep. and i would probably have asked the same thing. just ruling out possibilities here :) |
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| 16:02.40 | max999 | any other server you can try to connect to to make sure if the problem is on your side or the servers? |
| 16:02.53 | no_gravity | cockroach: as for the /etc/hosts - i dont like that. making things more complicated and will be a pain when host changes its ip. |
| 16:02.55 | cockroach | no_gravity: you said that ping resolves the host name immediately, right? |
| 16:03.05 | no_gravity | max999: sure, i have a ton of servers. |
| 16:03.09 | cockroach | no_gravity: true, it's just about figuring out where the problem is |
| 16:03.13 | no_gravity | cockroach: yes, ping comes up with the ip immediately. |
| 16:03.21 | max999 | no_gravity, is it the same on all of them? |
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| 16:03.41 | cockroach | no_gravity: oh, ehm, you wouldn't happen to have ipv6 enabled? |
| 16:03.47 | max999 | cockroach, the ip should be cached after the first resolving anyways |
| 16:03.56 | max999 | so its just really strange :) |
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| 16:04.04 | no_gravity | max999: tried 3 other servers now .. all slow. |
| 16:04.06 | cockroach | max999: strange indeed |
| 16:04.24 | no_gravity | cockroach: how do i check if ipv6 is enabled? |
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| 16:04.41 | cockroach | no_gravity: ifconfig eth0, see if there are any ipv6 addresses there |
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| 16:04.54 | cockroach | (or whatever your interface is) |
| 16:05.00 | no_gravity | max999, cockroach: tried a server that is in my /etc/hosts and that one goes fast. |
| 16:05.18 | max999 | no_gravity, i just googled it and found: UseDNS no in sshd_config |
| 16:05.30 | no_gravity | max999: what does it do? |
| 16:05.41 | max999 | it forbids the server to dnslookup on you |
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| 16:05.56 | no_gravity | cockroach: yes, there is an "inet6 addr" in ifconfigs output |
| 16:06.09 | max999 | no_gravity, i also found: nd if password, is the a id_dsa or id_rsa file in your ~/.ssh? maybe your ssh installation tries the wrong authentication first and your server doesn't deny but simply ignore that request resulting in that 30s timeout |
| 16:06.14 | no_gravity | max999: the server? but the problem arises before the server is connected. |
| 16:06.33 | max999 | sounds pretty legit |
| 16:06.39 | max999 | the stuff about the wrong auth |
| 16:06.41 | cockroach | max999: then how would using the IP address affect that? :) |
| 16:06.48 | max999 | no idea |
| 16:06.56 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: try `dig hostname AAAA` and see if it takes a long time/fails (i.e. gives something other than NOERROR) vs `dig hostname A` |
| 16:07.05 | no_gravity | max999: there is only a "known_hosts" in ~/.ssh |
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| 16:07.06 | cockroach | no_gravity: ... what Dagger2 just said :) |
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| 16:07.38 | max999 | no_gravity, which authentification is used? |
| 16:07.46 | max999 | i still like the idea of the server refusing wrong auth. requests |
| 16:07.52 | no_gravity | Dagger2: dig host AAAA takes like 10 seconds... and then "connection timed out" |
| 16:08.00 | no_gravity | max999: password |
| 16:08.19 | cockroach | no_gravity: is that about the same kind of delay you have when you connect? |
| 16:08.25 | no_gravity | Dagger2: "dig host A" gives the ip immediately. |
| 16:08.29 | no_gravity | cockroach: yes |
| 16:08.33 | Dagger2 | sounds like you have a DNS problem then |
| 16:08.44 | no_gravity | whats AAAA and A? |
| 16:08.49 | cockroach | AAAA is ipv6 |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | cockroach: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 16:09.12 | krisfremen | AAAA is going to the dentist.. A is going to the shrink |
| 16:09.32 | cockroach | abrotman: aye, thanks. i'm actually downloading it via ftp atm, whenever my network interface comes up for a few seconds. probably the sloest download since 56k modems |
| 16:09.42 | abrotman | fun |
| 16:09.50 | cockroach | very much so |
| 16:11.16 | no_gravity | So my system tries to get ipv6 adresses and that somehow takes long? |
| 16:11.19 | cockroach | no_gravity: if you don't need ipv6, completely disabling it might fix your problem |
| 16:11.54 | abrotman | !tell no_gravity about noipv6 |
| 16:12.00 | cockroach | no_gravity: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 16:12.03 | xomrk | it is a hoykey or command to show all hidden panel in xfce? |
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| 16:12.52 | Dagger2 | please just fix the problem :/ |
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| 16:13.24 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 16:13.55 | Dagger2 | otherwise you'll have to go around disabling IPv6 on everything you use... and when you do want IPv6, you're going to need to go around reenabling it *and* fixing the original DNS problem |
| 16:14.10 | no_gravity | cockroach: hmm.. some servers already test to run on ipv6 only. i would feel not so good if i get errors when accessing them. |
| 16:14.52 | cockroach | Dagger2: but ... there's nothing like a problem from two years ago coming back to kick you in the face! |
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| 16:15.44 | abrotman | Dagger2: no one uses ipv6 anyway :) |
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| 16:15.46 | cockroach | no_gravity: hmm then you might have to fix your ipv6 connectivity |
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| 16:16.03 | no_gravity | is "AAAA" the same as "-6"? |
| 16:16.19 | cockroach | no_gravity: the point being that having a somewhat-working ipv6 configuration tends to do bad things to your sanity |
| 16:16.43 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: ssh's -6 makes it only ask for AAAA records (and -4 makes it only ask for A records) |
| 16:17.15 | Dagger2 | abrotman: cough. |
| 16:18.00 | no_gravity | Dagger2: dig also seems to accept -4 and -6. i meant if thats the same as adding A/AAAA |
| 16:18.13 | no_gravity | So how would I fix the problem? |
| 16:18.21 | jnix | so RHEL has sosreport.. does debian have an equivalent kind of log bundling utility? |
| 16:18.40 | no_gravity | maybe my dns provider does not provide ipv6 resolution? |
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| 16:18.46 | jnix | my google fu is apparently weak |
| 16:18.56 | Dagger2 | ah, right. no, that controls whether dig uses v4 or v6 to do the DNS query itself |
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| 16:19.42 | abrotman | Dagger2: it was a joke |
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| 16:20.01 | abrotman | Dagger2: i have some lucite "6" on my desk somewhere that says people use it :) |
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| 16:20.25 | no_gravity | Dagger2: "dig -6 host" and "dig host AAAA" both time out with "connection timed out; no servers could be reached". |
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| 16:23.20 | Dagger2 | the former fails because you can't reah your DNS servers over v6 (which is ok, you can reach them over v4 instead) |
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| 16:23.36 | Dagger2 | the latter fails because your DNS server isn't responding to those queries, which is bad |
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| 16:23.59 | no_gravity | I wonder why not everybody complains... |
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| 16:24.14 | no_gravity | Dagger2: maybe only my router does not work with ipv6? |
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| 16:24.30 | no_gravity | Dagger2: or the wifi driver or something? |
| 16:24.42 | cockroach | no_gravity: the driver doesn't care about that |
| 16:24.45 | Dagger2 | you could try doing "dig hostname AAAA @8.8.8.8" (i.e. query Google's public DNS) and seeing if that times out too |
| 16:25.12 | no_gravity | Dagger2: that comes back immediately |
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| 16:25.43 | no_gravity | Dagger2: even "dig -6 heise.de AAAA @8.8.8.8" comes back immediately. |
| 16:26.15 | cockroach | no_gravity: then you might just want to switch to 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server for now |
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| 16:26.37 | no_gravity | cockroach: hmm... i dont like to pass EVERYTHING through google... |
| 16:27.17 | Dagger2 | no_gravity: well, it ignores the -6 because you specified 8.8.8.8 as the server |
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| 16:27.50 | cockroach | no_gravity: if you have access to any other DNS servers you could of course try those instead of google... |
| 16:28.02 | Dagger2 | (-4/-6 controls whether it uses v4 or v6 to talk to the DNS server. A/AAAA controls whether it asks the server for A or AAAA records) |
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| 16:28.32 | no_gravity | Maybe i should disable ipv6 in the network manager |
| 16:29.01 | no_gravity | It has an ipv6 tab where i could choose "method: ignore" |
| 16:29.02 | Dagger2 | that's the "brushing it under the rug" solution :/ |
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| 16:29.18 | Dagger2 | take a look at /etc/resolv.conf to see what your current DNS server is, then fix that |
| 16:29.23 | Dagger2 | or yell at whoever's responsible for it |
| 16:29.39 | cockroach | but tbh if the DNS server is not in your control then chances are that by the time you need ipv6 somebody will have fixed it. |
| 16:29.50 | cockroach | ... or not |
| 16:29.53 | Dagger2 | since it works with 8.8.8.8, it must be that specific server that's broken |
| 16:30.15 | Dagger2 | s/that specific server/your specific server/ |
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| 16:30.56 | no_gravity | let me try to disable it in the network manager... one moment.. will log me off probably... |
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| 16:31.26 | no_gravity | test |
| 16:31.31 | tintin | Is there any skype available for debian squeeze? |
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| 16:31.59 | no_gravity | hmm... ssh is still slow |
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| 16:32.56 | jhutchins_wk | !skype |
| 16:32.57 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy> or <linphone>. |
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| 16:33.27 | babilen | tintin: yes, but I have no idea where you can get it. If I remember correctly you need 2.0.35 for squeeze as newer (i.e. >= (?) 4.*) versions are tailored for wheezy (or rather Ubuntu) and require multiarch to work. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype for (in part outdated i guess) information |
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| 16:33.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell tintin -about skype squeeze |
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| 16:43.53 | cockroach | abrotman: hah, X works! thanks |
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| 16:44.16 | cockroach | also, gotta run. cu all later |
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| 16:46.33 | bofh80 | hi people, i'm using amd64, i've setup multiarch for various apps, now i need libpulse0:i386, attempting to install it wants to remove half the system, there are various guides and hints i've read, but i can't get passed it myself. Any help appreciated. |
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| 16:46.44 | bofh80 | wheezy btw. |
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| 16:48.31 | sney | bofh80, wheezy is better supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:48.34 | sney | as the topic suggests |
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| 16:49.26 | bofh80 | ah i missed that, was trying to read, i did remember a debian-next channel, thanks sney |
| 16:49.35 | psycode | my /usr/include directory is gone, how can i use dpkg --get-selections to see which packages i need to reinstall to populate a new /usr/include ? |
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| 16:51.03 | psycode | if (path exists in dpkg -l package)then apt-get package |
| 16:51.08 | psycode | ? |
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| 16:58.42 | maurooo | good evening |
| 16:58.57 | maurooo | is possible to autologin in debian with xfce4 and xdm? |
| 16:59.05 | maurooo | i'm working on a kiosk based on debian |
| 16:59.14 | maurooo | and i need a X session without login :D |
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| 17:03.07 | atrapado | the skype .deb for ubuntu 10.04 i386 worked for me on squeeze i386 |
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| 17:13.54 | zykotick9 | after following <dmm pinning>, how do you install from that repo? it there a required -t option or something else required? "aptitude install handbrake-cli" complains about various dependencies not being installed. if I change(remove) the pinning from 101 to 500 it will install normally. |
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| 17:33.50 | Szeraa | Hi all, I am having a beast of a time getting my fresh debian install on my laptop to work correctly. Everything installed great, however, when it boots up, my screen is blank. No cursor. I can log in, su, and halt, so system is clearly working. I have tried adding 'vga=' 788, 791, 792, 795, etc to my boot menu entry at boot time. These options will affect the first set of text that appears after boot, but about a second or 2 later, i |
| 17:34.03 | Szeraa | possibly because framebuffer actaully gets loaded? |
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| 17:34.32 | zykotick9 | Szeraa: vga= is deprecated. have you tried nomodeset? |
| 17:34.47 | Szeraa | haha, oops, I have been out of the llop for 3 years. |
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| 17:34.59 | Szeraa | zykotick9: not yet I have not |
| 17:35.08 | Szeraa | sec |
| 17:36.03 | Szeraa | zykotick9: you boss! Is it possible to get this text smaller? |
| 17:36.10 | Szeraa | so yes, it is working now |
| 17:36.25 | zykotick9 | Szeraa: probably, are you using nvidia by chance? |
| 17:36.36 | Szeraa | nope. Intel integrated |
| 17:36.36 | Szeraa | laptop |
| 17:36.59 | Szeraa | its a Dell Inspiron 9400 |
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| 17:37.09 | zykotick9 | Szeraa: hummm, then i don't know how sorry. nomodeset usually isn't required for intel? |
| 17:37.13 | Brigo | Szeraa: who did you change vga parameter? |
| 17:37.24 | Brigo | how* sorry :-) |
| 17:37.47 | Szeraa | Brigo: as per zykotick9 , I used nomodeset isntead of vga=... |
| 17:38.00 | Szeraa | I used to use vga=... on the kernel command of grub |
| 17:38.07 | Szeraa | but that was 3+ years ago last time I used linux |
| 17:38.17 | Szeraa | (used = install, configure, etc.) |
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| 17:38.26 | Brigo | Szeraa: did you remember to ru update-grup? |
| 17:38.31 | zykotick9 | Szeraa: with grub2 there is some different procedure to get the same result as vga= |
| 17:38.33 | Brigo | run* |
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| 17:38.49 | Szeraa | ah, I have not configured grub2 before |
| 17:38.59 | Szeraa | time for some doc. Any pointers for me as to what to look at? |
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| 17:40.21 | zykotick9 | Szeraa: i'm afraid the nomodeset might interfere with the regular console resolution setup... but i don't know for sure. certainly with nvidia you have to jump through some hops to set your framebuffer resolution... good luck. |
| 17:40.25 | Ru4 | I have a file in a user directory owned by root:root. However, the user is still able to rename the file, although the file is set to 744 |
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| 17:40.49 | Szeraa | zykotick9: ya, that's fine. Thanks for the great help, sir! |
| 17:40.59 | Brigo | Szeraa: edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub or run dpkg-reconfigure grub2 |
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| 17:41.15 | Brigo | dpkg-reconfigure -plow grub2 may be :-m |
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| 17:41.29 | Ru4 | What do I have to do in order to restrict the user to just reading the file? |
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| 17:41.58 | Brigo | Ru4: change pemisions to readonly |
| 17:42.02 | zykotick9 | Ru4: if the user has write on directory the file is in, then that makes sense. |
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| 17:42.45 | Ru4 | Brigo: would 744 not read only (the file is owned by root)? |
| 17:43.00 | Brigo | Ru4: yes, i think :-/ |
| 17:43.22 | zykotick9 | Ru4: even with read only, if the user has write on directory - they can still rename (mv) the file... but not see it's contents. |
| 17:44.13 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.14 | Brigo | zykotick9: that has no sense, with read only can't read but can modify? |
| 17:45.27 | zykotick9 | Ru4: for read only it is 744 you want. 711 is executable only. |
| 17:45.57 | zykotick9 | Brigo: it's the directory permission, rather then the file, that affects the mv command |
| 17:46.00 | Ru4 | So is there a way to let the user write in the directory, but only see the contents of the specified file? |
| 17:46.05 | Brigo | Ru4: sorry, i get wrong, 744 is ok. |
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| 17:47.07 | zykotick9 | Ru4: if the user can write in the directory, they can move files around inside it (or delete them) |
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| 17:48.44 | Ru4 | zykotick9: This is exactly what I would like to prevent ... |
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| 17:49.09 | zykotick9 | Ru4: so, why allow them to write to the directory? |
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| 17:50.05 | Ru4 | zykotick9: It's the directory of the user. But the file should be there as an information file (like readme) |
| 17:50.22 | zykotick9 | Ru4: you could look into ACL permissions, gives a finer level of control (not something i use myself, so i'm light on details) |
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| 17:51.15 | zykotick9 | Ru4: if the file is in the user's home directory, then i really doesn't make sense to limit what the user can do with it. |
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| 17:56.13 | fish_ | hrm.. can I be sure that my interfaces are up (even bonding) before rc.local get called? |
| 17:56.14 | dcanoe | fish_: I'm unable to find a response to that. |
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| 17:57.55 | zykotick9 | Ru4: why not store the file somewhere secure on the file system, then add a link to the file from user home directory? they will still be able to remove the link of course, but not edit/detele the actual file. |
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| 17:59.59 | Brigo | fish_: i thin rc.local is called after rc.X init, so you can be quite sure. |
| 17:59.59 | dcanoe | Brigo: I'm unable to find a response to that. |
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| 18:00.35 | Aktau | I'm learning about debian atm |
| 18:00.51 | Aktau | And I think I found out that services need to have some file in /etc/init.d |
| 18:01.08 | Aktau | But where is it decided which one of these to actually run? |
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| 18:02.09 | Ru4 | zykotick9: Thank you, I think I will try this |
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| 18:03.27 | fish_ | Brigo: well, it looks like it's not always the case |
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| 18:03.53 | fish_ | Brigo: question is more if the networking init script returns before the interface is really up |
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| 18:04.27 | Brigo | fish_: ask networking init script, let me see :-) |
| 18:04.34 | fish_ | Brigo: for a simple ethernet interface this might be the case but maybe it's not for bonding |
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| 18:07.04 | Zerobeholder | debhelper: I've been making the mistake of trying to get into irc.oftc.net #debian-next, the address should be irc.debian.org #debian-next . Please update the banner if possible... |
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| 18:09.58 | Brigo | fish_: networking script logs its acts with: log_action_end_msg $? |
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| 18:10.14 | Brigo | fish_: so i think you can see it in syslog. |
| 18:10.15 | dcanoe | Brigo: I'm unable to find a response to that. |
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| 18:30.04 | michaelis | Hi. 3 of 4 usb ports don't work after suspend. Why? |
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| 18:52.46 | Shoya | Hey ppl, so i'm trying to install debian + windows on an external HDD, the debian partitions are logical or primary? |
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| 18:55.21 | babilen | Shoya: Whatever you want to use. I would recommend to use LVM though. That is, among other things, discussed in the installation guide. Is this for a personal box? |
| 18:55.39 | Shoya | Personal box? |
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| 18:57.04 | babilen | Shoya: Well, is this your personal unimportant toy-box or something that provides services to other people? |
| 18:57.25 | Shoya | Oh, no its the replacement of my dying internal HDD |
| 18:57.29 | babilen | Shoya: "unimportant" as in: Only you will be upset if there is a problem with it :) |
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| 19:00.17 | Shoya | So yeah, since my laptop hdd is dying, i decided to put debian and windows on a external HDD so i'm not left with nothing |
| 19:00.34 | babilen | Shoya: Will you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 19:00.47 | Shoya | Yeah, wired atm |
| 19:00.57 | babilen | Shoya: I am asking these question in order to be able to recommend the best installation image to you |
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| 19:01.20 | Shoya | I'm using the firmware wheezy image |
| 19:01.32 | Shoya | Ummm....lemme look for it |
| 19:01.42 | babilen | Shoya: Ah, well ... fair enough and that's fine. |
| 19:02.06 | Shoya | Ah ok, so yeah, right now i'm on partition step |
| 19:02.55 | babilen | Shoya: It doesn't really matter if you use primary or logical partitions for Debian. I would, however, recommend to simply use a /single/ partition for Debian and use it as physical volume for LVM. You can then create multiple logical volumes for each part of the filesystem you want to separate (e.g. /home or /var or /etc ...) |
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| 19:03.09 | Shoya | Oh |
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| 19:03.32 | babilen | Shoya: Partitioning is discussed in detail in the installation guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 19:03.40 | Shoya | I normally use xfs, which is why i did both / and /home separately |
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| 19:05.59 | babilen | Shoya: You don't /have/ to use LVM, but I prefer it as it makes it easier to enlarge filesystems later if the need arises. For that I create a large partition and use that as physical volume for LVM. I continue by using that space for several logical volumes (each for /home / /var swap ...) but don't use /all/ the space in the volume group. If I run out of space on one fs, I can easily enlarge it as I have "unallocated" space left and can quite ... |
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| 19:06.05 | babilen | ... easily enlarge the logical volume and filesystem |
| 19:06.09 | hop_la_joie | hi everyone, my startup script stop working after the add default gw line... drives me nuts! http://pastebin.com/zuMgQwN2 any input welcome |
| 19:06.35 | Shoya | Ah ok |
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| 19:06.59 | babilen | Shoya: either way: it doesn't matter for Debian if you use a primary or logical partition. All you have to do is to install grub to the MBR (which is also why you should install Windows first, it tends to not care about other operating systems) |
| 19:07.03 | fnordism | i need help for a issue |
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| 19:07.20 | Shoya | Babilen, so windows first right? |
| 19:07.27 | fnordism | i can't restart my mdadm raid after reinstalling os it always claisn drive missing |
| 19:07.31 | fnordism | http://pastebin.com/xpmyFcLx |
| 19:07.42 | Shoya | Hai fnordism |
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| 19:08.39 | babilen | Shoya: Yeah, definitely. Windows would otherwise overwrite Debian's boot loader and you wouldn't be able to boot into Debian anymore. Fixing this would require booting from a live cd (or the installer) and following the instructions in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" to reinstall the Debian bootloader. It is simply easier to install Debian /after/ Windows as Debian will create entries for Windows just fine |
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| 19:08.55 | fnordism | hello mr shoya |
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| 19:10.10 | fnordism | i checked the array at weekend with no errors, so mdadm is afraid of starting it |
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| 19:13.11 | michaelis | Hi. 3 of 4 usb ports don't work after suspend. Why? |
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| 19:14.28 | hop_la_joie | michaelis : cant tell you why but I made a script to reset usb |
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| 19:14.50 | hop_la_joie | michaelis mine were f***** at boot |
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| 19:16.18 | michaelis | hop_la_joie, Can you post your script somewhere? |
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| 19:16.57 | frostschutz | fnordism: something happened and sdg and sdi failed, at least that's how the other raid members see it... |
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| 19:18.16 | hop_la_joie | michaelis sent it in pv |
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| 19:21.49 | michaelis | hop_la_joie, Thanks. |
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| 19:27.29 | fnordism | now it assembled th raid with --force but i had to do it twice, the first time it started to repair, then it dissapeared, and i had to start it again |
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| 19:43.23 | meLon | Does anybody know the syntax for **at** that would allow me to run a command 15m from now? 'echo "TEST" | at now + 15 minutes' is not correct :\ |
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| 19:48.55 | meLon | I'm a doofus. I needed to do: echo 'echo "TEST"' | at now + 15 minutes |
| 19:49.50 | nkuttler | meLon: if the manpage doesn't help just use sleep? |
| 19:50.01 | nkuttler | !tell monaco about ask |
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| 19:51.59 | meLon | I wish I would have learned about at 5 years ago :\ |
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| 19:56.31 | Gallomimia | i'm really growing concerned regarding updates. my ubuntu server receives package updates every day, while my debian server hasn't received a single one in 2 months. what's wrong? |
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| 19:58.50 | boudiccas | Gallomimia: what version? |
| 19:59.11 | petersaints | Gallomimia: it's called Debian Stable for a reason :P |
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| 20:04.24 | Shoya | Yeeep |
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| 20:14.59 | nyuszika7h | hi, is there a way to make useradd execute a specific command, substituting the user's name after creating a user? |
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| 20:15.27 | nyuszika7h | like install -d ... /srv/cadoth.net/USERNAME |
| 20:15.44 | nyuszika7h | it would need to be run as root |
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| 20:16.22 | nyuszika7h | hi bst_ |
| 20:16.31 | nyuszika7h | oh sorry for the ping |
| 20:16.39 | nyuszika7h | confused this with another chan |
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| 20:19.48 | themill | nyuszika7h: use "adduser" not "useradd" and take a look at the information for /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local in adduser(8). |
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| 20:20.16 | nyuszika7h | I'm using adduser actually |
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| 20:21.21 | nyuszika7h | thanks |
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| 20:21.59 | peterrooney | why do both useradd and adduser exist? the namespace is horribly confusing, even after ten years I still have to double check EVERY SINGLE TIME which is which. |
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| 20:44.12 | koshie | Hi, I've Wheezy with GNOME-Shell and I've installed througt system-config-printer my Canon Pixma MG5250. I've launched from cups the print test page but I've this error: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed" and I've nothing revelant in /var/log/cups. I've added my user to lpadmin group and restarted cups. |
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| 20:44.38 | koshie | relevant* |
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| 20:52.51 | jerng | hi folks, any idea on how to display calendars (*ics) using html? |
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| 20:59.47 | dawud | <a href="webcal://domain.com/path/calendar.ics"> from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5329529/i-want-html-link-to-ics-file-to-open-in-calendar-app-when-clicked-currently-op, first result in google |
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| 21:02.45 | hellyeah | hey musca |
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| 21:03.22 | hellyeah | are you there the message you sent me via dpkg bot. The steps i follow result with breaking X server |
| 21:03.35 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 21:04.13 | jerng | dawud: i'd like to show the calendar directly in the browser (no additional software)... |
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| 21:04.47 | dawud | jerng: so? |
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| 21:06.20 | dawud | jerng: just write that into an html plain text file and browse it. You might want to use echo instead of an editor to avoid using extra software :P |
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| 21:06.55 | themill | except that won't actually achieve what jerng wants |
| 21:07.52 | dawud | themill: and what does she/he want? not to much info there |
| 21:08.23 | themill | dawud: to display a calendar in a web browser |
| 21:08.24 | dawud | just "how to display calendars (*ics) using html" |
| 21:08.27 | themill | ,info ical2html --release sid |
| 21:08.29 | judd | Package ical2html (utils, optional) in sid/i386: create an HTML table from icalendar data. Version: 2.0-1; Size: 22.8k; Installed: 85k; Homepage: http://www.w3.org/Tools/Ical2html/ |
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| 21:08.48 | alo21 | hi everybody... |
| 21:08.49 | themill | jerng: ^^ I assume that "icalendar" means "ics" in that context. |
| 21:09.05 | alo21 | How can I attach a debdiff in a bug? |
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| 21:09.26 | themill | alo21: just email it to the bug -- bugnumber@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:09.42 | alo21 | themill, as an attachment |
| 21:09.43 | alo21 | ? |
| 21:09.48 | themill | sure |
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| 21:10.17 | alo21 | themill, does the same debdiff work both on debian and ubuntu? |
| 21:11.09 | themill | alo21: one prepared against the package in debian would be preferable -- the versions of the package aren't necessarily the same |
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| 21:11.50 | pmurias | how can I configure/install a wireless usb adapter (ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N10 802.11n Network Adapter [Realtek RTL8188SU])? |
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| 21:12.19 | DOUGHTY | http://pastebin.com/LXq1pNGK I upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 21:12.24 | DOUGHTY | what i have to write now? |
| 21:12.38 | hellyeah | what |
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| 21:12.44 | hellyeah | to sources.list |
| 21:12.47 | hellyeah | ? |
| 21:12.52 | DOUGHTY | no |
| 21:12.58 | DOUGHTY | i started the upgrade |
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| 21:13.17 | themill | DOUGHTY: "q" to quit less. |
| 21:13.38 | alo21 | themill, for example here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1518031/ what should I change in addition to the version? |
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| 21:13.50 | DOUGHTY | ok |
| 21:13.52 | DOUGHTY | thanks haha |
| 21:13.56 | DOUGHTY | so simple :) |
| 21:14.01 | alo21 | themill, I am fixing this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697881 |
| 21:14.49 | themill | alo21: if you just send that patch to the bug, the maintainer will be able to extract the appropriate part from it quite happily. |
| 21:14.56 | jerng | dawud: themill: judd: thx for support, i'll have a look on that! |
| 21:15.22 | themill | jerng: that package isn't in squeeze btw. I'm not sure why. |
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| 21:16.43 | jerng | themill: i'm using wheezy, found it. |
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| 21:18.11 | alo21 | themill, so. I will send what I showed to you. OK? |
| 21:19.31 | themill | alo21: that will be fine. thanks for helping out |
| 21:19.52 | alo21 | themill, It is my pleasure. |
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| 21:36.55 | DOUGHTY | pastebin.com/zu75Tceq i need help, i upgrade to wheeze and dovecot make me bad |
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| 21:38.47 | DOUGHTY | what can i do yo resolve this problem |
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| 21:40.46 | oliver__ | hi there, I run nginx on debian and sometimes when i boot the server nginx wont start... but if I start nginx manually after the boot it starts and everything is working fine |
| 21:40.47 | oliver__ | i checked the logs and find this |
| 21:40.52 | oliver__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.59 | oliver__ | but I cant understand why it only happens sometimes |
| 21:41.04 | oliver__ | sometimes at boot nginx start and sometimes not and I have to start manually |
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| 21:51.00 | ChibaPet | Hey all! A quickie question. Building a new system tonight, and I'm wondering if I can get reasonable media to start off with Wheezy, rather than starting off with Squeeze and immediately upgrading. (Thanks in advance for clues!) |
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| 21:51.49 | wols | ChibaPet: https://www.google.de/search?q=wheezy+debian+installer |
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| 21:52.36 | ChibaPet | Hmph. Alright. I was digging through http://www.debian.org/distrib/ and friends fruitlessly. Thank you. |
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| 21:54.32 | ChibaPet | Ooh, and my other problem is solved here: http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/308-compiling-wine-1521-on-debian.html |
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| 22:07.27 | fishcooker | happy new year 2013, debian.user |
| 22:08.44 | grafdiffuzor | is there a way to build fglrx deb packages for backports 3.2-686 kernel? backports site has only amd64 pre-built |
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| 22:12.50 | fishcooker1 | im using transmission cli on debian server.. there is a file torrent that contains 2 folder .. i just need the second folder not the first folder because i have it already |
| 22:12.58 | fishcooker1 | how to solve it |
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| 22:15.11 | jhutchins_wk | fishcooker1: If you save to the same tree as the existing folder it should see that it already has that and just receive the other one, but it should share both. |
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| 22:16.07 | fishcooker1 | hmmm.. i have the first folder on my external hd |
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| 22:16.35 | link15 | how do i find out what version of a package will be installed or what versions are available using apt-cache search |
| 22:16.39 | link15 | or is this possible |
| 22:16.40 | fishcooker1 | because the first folder is huge jhutchins_wk |
| 22:17.00 | fishcooker1 | what package link15? |
| 22:17.07 | link15 | phantomjs |
| 22:17.23 | fishcooker1 | if java you can test $ java --version |
| 22:17.32 | fishcooker1 | sorry i dont have phant* |
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| 22:17.51 | ottermaton | o |
| 22:18.50 | fishcooker1 | is that the only if jhutchins_wk |
| 22:19.03 | fishcooker1 | i've search on stackover* but know solution yet |
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| 22:22.14 | xsappyx | link15: apt-cache show phantomjs | grep Version |
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| 22:22.23 | link15 | <3 |
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| 22:25.31 | pce | problems with browser |
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| 22:25.54 | pce | which one should i use? |
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| 22:28.45 | jhutchins_wk | pce: lynx |
| 22:29.09 | jhutchins_wk | pce: Which one are you having trouble with? |
| 22:29.36 | mtn | jhutchins_wk, it's actually more fun without any details :) |
| 22:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | mtn: Yeah, I'm a real spoil sport that way. |
| 22:30.37 | pce | i have problems with rkhunter |
| 22:31.33 | mtn | I take it back, this is more fun |
| 22:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | pce: I have problems with phillips head deck screws. |
| 22:31.49 | pce | :) |
| 22:31.53 | pce | desktop |
| 22:32.12 | pce | but with ... |
| 22:32.19 | pce | for testing |
| 22:33.31 | jhutchins_wk | I've had cell phone conversations like this, where you get one or two words out of each complete sentence.... |
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| 22:34.00 | mtn | phoning in from another dimension? |
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| 22:34.45 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: tell them to slow down |
| 22:35.24 | pce | jhutchins_wk is debain secure as desktop? |
| 22:35.55 | mtn | pce, don't know about debain, but debian is pretty good |
| 22:36.24 | pce | mtn: which browser is good? |
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| 22:36.30 | mtn | and linux is always as secure as you make it |
| 22:36.32 | dado_ | hi |
| 22:36.47 | mtn | pce, all browsers are "good" |
| 22:37.11 | dado_ | live-config is driving me nuts. why is it not accepting the -e option, even if all manuals say the -e option is available? |
| 22:37.27 | pce | mtn: why do i have problems with my brower? |
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| 22:37.44 | mtn | pce, why aren't I rich? |
| 22:37.49 | pce | lol |
| 22:38.14 | pce | so which browser is working good? |
| 22:38.30 | dado_ | pce: lynx is pretty stable and secure |
| 22:38.36 | pce | desktop |
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| 22:38.59 | dado_ | pce: its a matter of taste nowadays |
| 22:39.00 | nkuttler | wget is quite capable as well |
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| 22:39.46 | pce | dado_: sorry my english is not very good |
| 22:39.48 | dado_ | is there a special channel for live-helper or live-build? |
| 22:40.01 | ectospasm | I'm having a problem with mc (midnight-commander) on Debian sid... if I leave an mc process running, and suspend my laptop, I can't seem to launch another mc process when I return from suspension. I can't even kill (SIGTERM or SIGKILL) the last mc process... it doesn't appear to be zombie, but I can't seem to get rid of it. Any ideas? |
| 22:40.02 | dado_ | pce: all browsers are ok. just go for firefox |
| 22:40.19 | nkuttler | !tell dado_ about live |
| 22:40.36 | pce | nkuttler: fb is supporting ..? |
| 22:40.50 | nkuttler | pce: hm? |
| 22:40.58 | pce | sorry |
| 22:40.59 | dado_ | thanks nkuttler. any ideas on my first Q? |
| 22:41.45 | nkuttler | dado_: no idea. haven't built live images in years |
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| 22:42.12 | dado_ | nkuttler: k thx |
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| 22:42.37 | pce | which is a good irc client? |
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| 22:47.21 | sharky | hi guys, I am installing debian wheezy and I have the option for kernel "linux-image-amd64" and "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64". What is the difference? |
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| 22:47.59 | sharky | I suppose it is when a kernel is update the grub2 menu stays the same ... ? |
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| 22:48.09 | nkuttler | sharky: the former will install the most up to date kernel, the latter a specific one |
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| 22:49.01 | nkuttler | sharky: see also apt-cache show <package> |
| 22:49.01 | sharky | nkuttler, 10x, but is the most-up-to-date kernel will be installed from the internet? |
| 22:49.23 | nkuttler | sharky: the kernel will be installed from the debian repository |
| 22:49.41 | sharky | nkuttler, I am installing from usb (cd1) wheezy |
| 22:49.45 | nkuttler | if you want the latest shiny stuff /msg dpkg kp and go to kernel.org |
| 22:50.34 | sharky | nkuttler, seems nice, 10x |
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| 22:52.09 | sharky | hm, actually installs again "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64", but maybe after the update when system is installed it will get the latest kernel available |
| 22:53.42 | nkuttler | sharky: i think that's the most recent you'll get with wheezy |
| 22:53.44 | PhoenixSTF | Hi guys, I am wondering if I install wheezy now on a system, when it comes to stable do I have to reinstall or upgrade anything? |
| 22:54.01 | nkuttler | sharky: there are also more recent kernels in experimental but mixing that with wheezy seems like a bad idea (tm) |
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| 22:55.03 | sharky | nkuttler, 10x, yeah I use beta 4, which is fairly stable, and I prefer it, I mean this machine is not for testing |
| 22:56.21 | sharky | PhoenixSTF, you don't need to reinstall when wheezy gets stable, you just do your updates "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 22:57.17 | sharky | PhoenixSTF, now it is called testing while a small set of packages have some bugs, other than that it is pretty stable |
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| 23:01.13 | PhoenixSTF | what about upgrading from squeeze? |
| 23:01.18 | nkuttler | PhoenixSTF: you'll have to check the release notes and probably do a dist-upgrade |
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| 23:02.21 | PhoenixSTF | sharky, nkuttler thanks :) |
| 23:03.07 | PhoenixSTF | one more question, which is more stable/developed and supported, XEN or KVM? |
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| 23:03.17 | pce | can be debian secure as server and desktop at the same time? |
| 23:03.28 | PhoenixSTF | pce, yes |
| 23:03.31 | pce | lol |
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| 23:03.41 | PhoenixSTF | pce, not recommended tough |
| 23:03.47 | pce | of |
| 23:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | concise answer |
| 23:03.52 | pce | \oc |
| 23:04.17 | pce | PhoenixSTF: i habe probles with rkhunter |
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| 23:04.56 | nexus8 | hi, anyone got expirience with psybnc? |
| 23:04.59 | sharky | PhoenixSTF, as far as I know both a well developed xen and kvm, but there are some other differences, kvm is integrated in the kernel while xen is not .. yet |
| 23:04.59 | PhoenixSTF | pce, well in my experience i usually end messing up my machine, so I always keep my servers has virtual machines on kvm |
| 23:05.17 | pce | PhoenixSTF: maybe i should start win |
| 23:05.21 | PhoenixSTF | sharky, yes well on wheezy with the 3.2 it is |
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| 23:06.22 | PhoenixSTF | pce, having virtual machines I can always transfer safely to another machine just for KVM, usually booting from a pen |
| 23:06.32 | pce | vm? |
| 23:06.49 | pce | i am running 2 server and debain |
| 23:06.53 | pce | debian |
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| 23:07.10 | PhoenixSTF | pce, sorry running where and how? |
| 23:07.17 | anigma | I installed postfix through apt-get… and it appears that the install script automatically added "alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases" to my main.cf file. I'm trying to add virtual user support, which requires me to have "virtual_alias_maps = mysql:foo.bar" in my config file. Should I just remove "alias_maps" from the config file or keep it and add "virtual_alias_maps"? |
| 23:08.00 | PhoenixSTF | sharky, yes I tried boath, and they seem ok, but KVM is more developed under CentOS, i.e. they have macvtap implemented. |
| 23:08.07 | pce | PhoenixSTF: which vm is good |
| 23:09.54 | PhoenixSTF | pce, well KVM works rather well on debian, Xen I had some issues mainly with kernel, openvz never tried but works fine, Virtualbox also works fine, depends on what you want or need. |
| 23:10.10 | pce | PhoenixSTF: i don't pay much for the 2 server |
| 23:10.30 | PhoenixSTF | pce, where do you have the 2 servers, at home? |
| 23:10.36 | pce | own hardware and rent |
| 23:10.45 | pce | america and .. |
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| 23:11.08 | pce | n.america |
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| 23:11.45 | pce | can we .. |
| 23:11.51 | pce | pm |
| 23:11.55 | nexus8 | hi, anyone got expirience with psybnc? |
| 23:11.57 | PhoenixSTF | pce, yes |
| 23:12.00 | pce | cool |
| 23:12.03 | pce | thx |
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| 23:14.22 | themill | nexus8: it's not in debian, so that will limit the number of answers you get... |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | HI |
| 23:15.29 | Arrowmaster | znc is in debian though |
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| 23:21.37 | Argafal | hi guys. I'm looking for a tool to capture video coming from the built-in webcam as a file, for example Ogg Vorbis encoded. Any suggestions? |
| 23:23.22 | pce | i am looking for an good desktop |
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| 23:25.10 | bitg | pce: oh ya? so why not get one |
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| 23:29.41 | pce | bitg: what? |
| 23:29.48 | pce | oh sorry |
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| 23:34.26 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 23:34.29 | abrotman | that's great |
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| 23:39.55 | pmo | hey quick question.. can i mount a second hdd to a path already mounted to? |
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| 23:40.39 | abrotman | you *can* ... |
| 23:40.44 | pmo | more or less got 2 partitions i want to merge, but cant expand the one |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | !tell pmo about unionfs |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | i think ? |
| 23:41.19 | pmo | so was thinking mounting the second to /home :) |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | not sure if that is what you're talking about |
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| 23:41.57 | pmo | might be |
| 23:42.16 | pmo | its or or less an empty ext4 partition that i want mounted to /home |
| 23:43.38 | pmo | im just not sure if i can do mount -t xfs /dev/sda2 /home |
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| 23:44.01 | pmo | err forget xfs |
| 23:44.10 | pmo | ext4 |
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| 23:46.06 | pmo | ah i figured it out |
| 23:46.12 | pmo | i have to move everything first |
| 23:46.14 | makk | used a cdimage. in this computer, the netinstall wont function on boot. dont know why. but the cd i got will get all the way to installing the base system. then linux image 2.6 -686 failed step install base system. is there something easy i can do. |
| 23:46.29 | makk | like i said the netinstall image aint working |
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| 23:48.18 | makk | btw i have been using master format instead of live format in windows to burn these. i think i got that right though |
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| 23:53.29 | cockroach | i'm trying to configure the touchpad on a macbook (using xinput on wheezy) but it seems my tapping is always registered as button 12 instead of 1 - how can i fix that? |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | still?! |
| 23:54.18 | cockroach | just got back :) |
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| 23:55.23 | spaceace85 | Any decent apt sources have apache 2.4? |
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| 23:55.50 | cockroach | (on a positive note, this thing already seems to run way faster with debian than it ever did with osx) |
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| 23:58.04 | abrotman | cockroach: hardly surprising |
| 23:58.11 | abrotman | spaceace85: experimental maybe |
| 23:58.16 | abrotman | judd: versions apache2 |
| 23:58.18 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; sid: 2.2.22-12; wheezy: 2.2.22-12; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | not sure if you'd call that decent |